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The scenes with Tigre using his bow's power always involves him bleeding onto the bow at some point? In Vol. 1, he incurred a hand injury causing him to smudge the bow with his blood; Vol. 2, a wound from his shoulder trickled blood onto his bow; Vol. 3, the huge gash from Roland's slice causing him to bleed on the bow. Just curious if this plays any relevance in the future. I'm guessing this is the sort of compensation Tigre has/had to pay in order to either:

1) Discover the truth of the bow from Tir na Fa, the goddess of death who handed it down to his ancestor (and who Tigre resembles a lot according to her), or;
2) Use the bow's power; as according to Tir na Fa he is nowhere near his ancestor's level who could use the bow's power consciously, hence her words "Make the bow yours"

So, I was reading through EnigmaticAxion's cleaned up machine translations for Vol 1 .. after Tigre rescues Teita.. did he just catch an arrow in flight with his bare hands!?

Yes, but his hands got injured in the process.

Anyway, can someone explain to me about:

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About Alexandre (I'm not sure whether this name is correct or not), she is supposed to be the most powerful Vanadis, as she singlehandedly curbstomped Ellen and Rudmila 2 years prior the story, is it true? I heard she's sickly, so how come she was capable of doing such feat?

Tigre choosing to use guerrilla warfare to whittle down an enemy ten times larger than his forces was a sound choice, and the way they went at it was interesting. First day, annoy the hell out of them and then lure them to an "obvious" trap; three thousand of the enemy sent to dispatch their three hundred or so, and then taking down around a thousand of the enemy at the end of the day (by making them think that the troops waiting in ambush numbered 3000 strong). And the call-back to Volume 1, during Alsace's battle was definitely in line with Tigre's plans. When they began looting the dead of their gear, I was thinking along the lines of Tigre's troops being able to stock up on weapons and armor in order to preserve their own for a long fight; after all, they've resorted to using rocks the size of an adult's fist in order to save their use of arrows.

Next day, lure out the enemies to where they were "stationed", then engage then in hit-and-run; only this time they had forces coming out of the Muozinel troops' flanks wearing the same armor and looking exactly the same as the Muozinel troops right down to the skin. So this was why Tigre's troops looted the enemies from the encounter yesterday!

The day after was a much harsher encounter, with the Muozinel troops bringing hostages (Brune civilians who were captured and turned into slaves by Muozinel forces) with them this time around. Of the several slaves brought, Ten Brune men were decapitated early in the morning to call out Tigre's troops, to which they responded several hours later at noon. The combination of a Brune general who uses a bow (I had to laugh at Kasshim, the Muozinel vanguard force general's thoughts at this), Zhcted troops appearing out of nowhere, and their general suddenly being shot in the head from an otherwise unbelievably impossible range was enough to send the already morale-battered now-down-to 15000 troops of Muozinel running for their lives. All in all, Tigre's guerrilla warfare was a psychological war of attrition against the Muozinel's 20000 troops.

Interestingly enough, a subversion occurs when Tigre appears before the other hostages who were brought along by Muozinel. One of them starts berating Tigre for having taking this long to appear; if they have appeared earlier, none of the hostages would have been killed. An irrational grievance at that; if Tigre and his men had appeared earlier, they would have been slaughtered as the Muozinel troops' attrition were still high. At least one of them, despite being bitter over her father's loss, stepped forward and thanked Tigre. Tigre, in turn, thanked her as well.

Tigre notes that the enemy general was smart but was careless. The reason being Kasshim, the general of the 20,000 vanguard troops, was a slave until he was recognized for his ability, removed from slavery and then promoted to a general. However, if he fails in this campaign to invade Brune, he would be sent back to being a slave; which he desperately wished to avoid at all costs. So the reader can see how this would cloud his judgment; of course, Tigre and co. had no idea of the actual details.

Tigre's tactics had its downsides though. For one, they had to limit their strategies and movements based on their available food (which was dwindling by the moment) and weapon supply. Second, he had to make sure his soldiers were well-rested enough, but that they had enough time to follow up on pressuring the Muozinel troops in order to wear down the enemy's morale.

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Originally Posted by whsie

Lol, the 20,000 strong is just the vanguard. The main force is behind.

Indeed. At first glance though, it seems that Tigre is simply overwhelmed by sheer number. But once the actual campaign got underway, I was very much engaged at the development of the battle against the 20,000. The 40,000, now that's what scares me. Can't wait to see Lyudmila's appearance and see what she does!

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Originally Posted by willx

So, I was reading through EnigmaticAxion's cleaned up machine translations for Vol 1 .. after Tigre rescues Teita.. did he just catch an arrow in flight with his bare hands!?

Yes, he did. He saw the archer from afar (no one can shoot as far as Tigre can) and caught the arrow with his hand, then fired it right back at the hapless archer. That's how he started bleeding on the black bow

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(which might have been the catalyst needed to reach out to Tir na Fa and/or awaken the bow's power in tandem with a Viralt)

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Originally Posted by Kleeyook

I wonder if Tigre can use bow in close quarter combat like Raven from Tales of Vesperia.

Close-quarter combat has been and always will be Tigre's weakness; he desperately needs protection from close quarter combatants, and that's what Elen (and soon, Lyudmila) complements Tigre with in their fighting style. Elen/Mila to engage enemies in close combat and divert attention away from Tigre, while Tigre snipes enemy commanders and generals from afar.

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Originally Posted by Ddraig

Tygre might not be able to wield sword like Durandal but there might be possibility that in the future he can draw power from it like how he draw it from Viralt.

It might be possible, who knows? But at this stage of the war (from where I am at reading), very much unfeasible. Only Roland had the strength to wield Durandal; as it is, it is simply a very heavy great sword to every one else. Plus, everyone has literally no idea what the sword is and what it can do; Tigre bringing along a heavy great sword which he himself has no idea what it does (and only slowing down his mobility) into a war, much less a war where the enemy's numbers greatly outnumber him, would do him no good. As it stands, it is merely a glorified medal of honor at this point.

But I don't think this is possible. After all, as Drechvach and Vuojinev mentioned,

Spoiler for Bow and Sword:

The bow (and most likely the sword as well) are nothing like the Viralts.

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Originally Posted by Reek of Blood

Anyway, can someone explain to me about:

Spoiler:

About Alexandre (I'm not sure whether this name is correct or not), she is supposed to be the most powerful Vanadis, as she singlehandedly curbstomped Ellen and Rudmila 2 years prior the story, is it true? I heard she's sickly, so how come she was capable of doing such feat?

Haven't reached that part yet unfortunately. If I recall, Elenore mentioned that Alexandra's sickness progressed to the point that she's bedridden only recently, though I'm not sure. I'll have to read on more to find out.

Haven't reached that part yet unfortunately. If I recall, Elenore mentioned that Alexandra's sickness progressed to the point that she's bedridden only recently, though I'm not sure. I'll have to read on more to find out.

Whoa, that means she's incapacitated for the time being. That brings me one question:

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Why her viralt still loyal towards her and not leaving her? It can just look for new wielder with better performa.

Whoa, that means she's incapacitated for the time being. That brings me one question:

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Why her viralt still loyal towards her and not leaving her? It can just look for new wielder with better performa.

Exactly! That's the thing!

Spoiler for Alexandra:

Even Elenore is wondering just why Alexandra's Viralt won't leave her, even though her condition is already like that. A Viralt will automatically leave a Vanadis and appear before the new one if the current Vanadis is unable to act as a Vanadis no longer (Elenore's predecessor and Lyudmila's mother both went down with sickness after which their Viralts left them). Alexandra's Viralt clearly hasn't left her yet, so Alexandra still meets the requirements of a Vanadis.

What this implies:
1) She's faking it.
2) There is a cure for her illness.
3) There is a third party at work here.

After all, she is the strongest Vanadis out of the seven. Who's to say that there's no third party out there conspiring to keep her weak and crippled?

I am thinking that Alexandra, Elizabetha, Valentina and then Olga are going to be focused on come the later volumes and the second arc of the story.

^ WOO! Thanks for more summaries Erhjegel! Reading EnigmaticAxiom's "full" machine translation of Vol 1 was awesome, and these just keep me hungry for more!

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Originally Posted by Erhjegel

Yes, he did. He saw the archer from afar (no one can shoot as far as Tigre can) and caught the arrow with his hand, then fired it right back at the hapless archer. That's how he started bleeding on the black bow

Okay.. did he catch it as in use his hand to block it (taking the hit) or just grabbing it mid-flight? Cause if he caught it mid-flight, he has no right to complain about Elen blocking his shots with his sword..

Seriously.. firing arrows further than anyone else can is one thing but catching one mid-flight and no one even comments on it!?

Okay.. did he catch it as in use his hand to block it (taking the hit) or just grabbing it mid-flight? Cause if he caught it mid-flight, he has no right to complain about Elen blocking his shots with his sword..

Seriously.. firing arrows further than anyone else can is one thing but catching one mid-flight and no one even comments on it!?

He caught it prematurely by the arrowhead part mid-flight before it hit Tita. The bit about him being able to fire farther than anyone else was to hint at him judging the distance the arched fired from, calculated the speed of the arrow and then catching it before it could hit Tita, all subconsciously done.

Here's how it went, in case it was confusing:

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After all, when you're the (unknown) patron saint and deity of archery, I suppose you're allowed to show off here and there (I jest).

^ Okay, he can't complain anymore. The ability to catch arrows mid-flight is ridiculous. That's even harder than deflecting it with a weapon.. Why the hell was he complaining about Elen!?

You have to remember that, up until this point, all Tigre has been doing is hunting. This was his first engagement with another human enemy; a Vanadis at that.

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Besides, he definitely learned from the experience, judging from his actions when he went to save Elen against Roland.

Honestly, I didn't really like the "catching the arrow" bit, seeing as it never gets brought up again. It was just cheap and done to make Tigre look cool. But I guess Japan has a thing for the whole "catching arrows" stuff.

Also, I'd rather not address the whole possibility or not of catching arrows, seeing as it's a very long-debated issue with stuff like this saying it's possible and stuff like the MythBusters test saying its not, and some people believe mushin and years of training lets them be able to do that.

Honestly, I didn't really like the "catching the arrow" bit, seeing as it never gets brought up again. It was just cheap and done to make Tigre look cool. But I guess Japan has a thing for the whole "catching arrows" stuff.

Also, I'd address the whole possibility or not of catching arrows, but it's a very long-debated issue with stuff like this saying it's possible and stuff like the MythBusters test saying its not, and some people believe mushin and years of training lets them be able to do that.

This whole "catching arrow" thing sounds kinda lame and forced (The author just want to make him look cool). I'd prefer Tigre deflects incoming arrow using his arrow shoot.

On an unrelated note, this series seems like lacking fanservice severely.

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The only fanservices are when Tigre groping and sucking heroine' breast. Every cover pages also always depict each heroine with 'large balloon' on their chest. The author must have a thing with boobs. Why only boobs? Give us more!

This whole "catching arrow" thing sounds kinda lame and forced (The author just want to make him look cool). I'd prefer Tigre deflects incoming arrow using his arrow shoot.

On an unrelated note, this series seems like lacking fanservice severely.

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The only fanservices are when Tigre groping and sucking heroine' breast. Every cover pages also always depict each heroine with 'large balloon' on their chest. The author must have a thing with boobs. Why only boobs? Give us more!

Didn't really like the arrow bit myself. The writing for volume 1 still remains pretty solid and consistent except for that bit, which I have reservations for. It sticks out like a sore thumb. I'd like to think his editor/publisher forced him to put in a "cool" scene for Tigre (I'm looking at you, MF Bunko...) hence why we got that scene, because it really doesn't fit anywhere and is completely inconsistent with the rest of the author's writing. Either that or he suffers chuunibyou on occasion.

Too much fanservice actually deviates from the good writing and events that unfold. Also, most of those fanservice moments are in character and have pretty good scenes and circumstances involving them, not just thrown in. Personally, the amount of fanservice involved is just about right. I don't want it taking over the flow and pacing of the story just for some cheap boobs and asses or whatever.