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Tuesday, April 14, 2015

Does anybody have a FACTUAL, first-person, on-the-ground appraisal of what's going on with the miners and BLM in Orgeon?

If so, I'd like to hear it. Some folks fear it will be another Bundy Ranch. Some apparently WANT it to be another Bundy Ranch. I'd just like a no-bullsh-t assessment of what is really the situation at the point of threatened contact.

9 comments:

Darkwing
said...

This mining thing will just be like the Bundy thing, one sided reporting. I know what Bundy did wrong and he was wrong. This mining thing will be the same. I worked for BLM in the 1970 &1980, The rules have not changed.

...This case is headed in a direction that presents what is probably a once-in-a-generation prime opportunity to strike at the heart of the very surface management authority of the DOI and USDA and to restore the "as patent" rights of every mining claim owner in the United States by striking down the actual source of that intrusive authority.

Regardless, we intend to take BLM fully to task and will not feel sorry for any civil or criminal consequences that may be leveled upon any BLM employees who are found to be negligent of wrong doing. We are actively pursuing these individuals through a wide range of tactics with the intent to reign in these wrong doers.

There is a similar incident brewing in central Montana right now. A 1924 mining claim is being pressured to shut down based on BLM claims that they are in violation of BLM rules that do not apply to established mining claims. I am gathering documentation from the miners for "off-site" storage as it appears it will get ugly. BLM has repeatedly cut locks and opened gates, allowing access to the miner's explosives storage by hikers and hunters while restricting their access for operating machinery. I have recommended they contact Mike and Oathkeepers and they have been working with the local Sheriff (Lewis & Clark County), but pressure is building and does not look good.

No standoff at this time...mine owners have asked that people wanting to support to please "stand by".

My opinion: miners wanted to get the word out and get support from fellow patriots in case the BLM did try anything hostile and they have been trying to do "shows of force" in the attempt to intimidate the mine owners. Nevertheless, they are currently in legal litigation to fight the BLM and that should go through its process.

However, their are people that want this to "kick off" and are attempting to make this something bigger than what it is.

To clarify...this IS an overreach from the government and we need to support the miners. Nevertheless, pointing guns at federal LEOs is not the answer and people need to stop trying to hype this incident to this level.

Arizona State Militia members are apparently enroute and their support is appreciated but they're turning this into something it's not.

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