Sigh I keep flipping and flopping on this guy but I kind of want McCullers again. I feel like a druggie with the kid but you just can teach 6'7" 352. Certainly would fix our run D issue and has some good upside. Rewatching senior bowl stuff he caught my eye yet again. The kid has tons of potential. Could you imagine RB's looking across the line and seeing Wilfork and McCullers playing next to each other? Talk about running into a brick wall up the middle.

The singular problem with this guy is whether he gets into game shape to get push up the middle...no one can move him, but can he move laterally to even make nominal pursuit down the line?... He's huge, but in Tenn. games I watched this year he was unspectacular and played very sparingly at crucial times and had ZERO stamina....In the NFL with many interior lineman in excess of 330 and most of them in shape, they'll ride this fatboy all day long....he's got to get in shape...

and that's why I keep flip flopping. In 12' he looked unstoppable in 13' he looked out of shape. If he can maintain stamina no doubt he could play a Wilfork type of role moving forward but then again he could easily fall out of shape. You know with the comp pick I might not mind taking the shot if they don't get a DT early

I like him, I'm surprised that he plays at such a good pad level for a guy that big/tall. He is never going to be a pass rusher, but every time I watched him he was double teamed...and he still didn't get pushed back. I do worry that he is too slow - everything he does is slow and lumbering - but he still looks better than some of these mammoths that have come out of the draft over the last few years.

I hate to be a party p00per but isn't Landry similar less the speed to Boyce? Every scouting report I read on him says "slot WR", good hands, adept at running short route, etc.

looking over our current WR corps, it seems we have a host of guys that can play very well in the slot, and a couple in Dobson, Lafell, maybe thompkins that can line up outside and win. Dobson is a ? With his foot, thompkins not sure if he even makes the roster.

AMy preference would be for a X/Z hybrid rather than Y, Y/Z type of player.

Thoughts?

No, he's not as fast as Boyce... but I think he can play inside or out, I think he'll come in and learn the offense relatively quickly and I think his ability/savvy as a route runner and ability to catch anything that's close (especially over the middle) will quickly make him a trusted weapon for Brady.

I'm not shooting down the idea of BB targeting a bigger WR, in fact I'd love to see that too, but Landry is a very, very good football player.

Jarvis Landry runs identical 4.58's at his Pro Day, which seems much more inline with his tape than the 4.77 he ran at the combine.

I like him...huge hands...catches everything and is quicker than his 40 time shows. This kid is going to help some team.

My thoughts exactly... love his tape.

He is a very good football player - he is going to help someone - I know we are set in the slot, but I just don't like the idea of passing up on good players because they aren't needed...they are always needed. Every year I see positions of strength decimated by injury just weeks into the season, I hope if we get the chance to draft him, we do.

Sigh I keep flipping and flopping on this guy but I kind of want McCullers again. I feel like a druggie with the kid but you just can teach 6'7" 352. Certainly would fix our run D issue and has some good upside. Rewatching senior bowl stuff he caught my eye yet again. The kid has tons of potential. Could you imagine RB's looking across the line and seeing Wilfork and McCullers playing next to each other? Talk about running into a brick wall up the middle.

The singular problem with this guy is whether he gets into game shape to get push up the middle...no one can move him, but can he move laterally to even make nominal pursuit down the line?... He's huge, but in Tenn. games I watched this year he was unspectacular and played very sparingly at crucial times and had ZERO stamina....In the NFL with many interior lineman in excess of 330 and most of them in shape, they'll ride this fatboy all day long....he's got to get in shape...

and that's why I keep flip flopping. In 12' he looked unstoppable in 13' he looked out of shape. If he can maintain stamina no doubt he could play a Wilfork type of role moving forward but then again he could easily fall out of shape. You know with the comp pick I might not mind taking the shot if they don't get a DT early

He needs to shave off a few pounds just to be able to get in shape and move his legs to maintain position and stay more injury free...a guy that big who gets knee injuries from constant double team "hi-low" blocks can be badly and irreperably hurt...if he gets his stamina up he could do real damage...plus if he can work into the pocket a few feet he'll panic the QB...the dude blocks out the sun...

I like him, I'm surprised that he plays at such a good pad level for a guy that big/tall. He is never going to be a pass rusher, but every time I watched him he was double teamed...and he still didn't get pushed back. I do worry that he is too slow - everything he does is slow and lumbering - but he still looks better than some of these mammoths that have come out of the draft over the last few years.

the question is if he can get off/on the field during subs and when he gets winded. Not to mention how much will he need to be sub'd. But you can't double both him and Vince

Jarvis Landry runs identical 4.58's at his Pro Day, which seems much more inline with his tape than the 4.77 he ran at the combine.

I like him...huge hands...catches everything and is quicker than his 40 time shows. This kid is going to help some team.

My thoughts exactly... love his tape.

Landry is a tough guy who does the dirty work for an offense...I think he'll end up being a bettter pro in the end than his more heralded teammate...he ran fast today, had a really good workout...so did Mettenberger and Hill, who ran a tenth of a second fatser than at the combine, in the 4.5's...a 230 pound back that can bring it that fast is nasty...one final point...the guys they showed on camera all looked athletic and cut..all looked in great shape, even Mettenberg who was just 13 weeks from ACL surgery...made 100 throws and was accurate...NFL Network is GREAT!!!

Jarvis Landry runs identical 4.58's at his Pro Day, which seems much more inline with his tape than the 4.77 he ran at the combine.

I like him...huge hands...catches everything and is quicker than his 40 time shows. This kid is going to help some team.

My thoughts exactly... love his tape.

Landry is a tough guy who does the dirty work for an offense...I think he'll end up being a bettter pro in the end than his more heralded teammate...he ran fast today, had a really good workout...so did Mettenberger and Hill, who ran a tenth of a second fatser than at the combine, in the 4.5's...a 230 pound back that can bring it that fast is nasty...one final point...the guys they showed on camera all looked athletic and cut..all looked in great shape, even Mettenmberg who was just 13 weeks from ACL surgery...made 100 throws and was accurate...NFL Network is GREAT!!!

I too think he ends up as the better pro.

Yeah, love the nighly "Path to the Draft" content"! Draft weekend is great too because you can switch back and forth... and I much prefer Mayock to Kiper/McShay.

Sigh I keep flipping and flopping on this guy but I kind of want McCullers again. I feel like a druggie with the kid but you just can teach 6'7" 352. Certainly would fix our run D issue and has some good upside. Rewatching senior bowl stuff he caught my eye yet again. The kid has tons of potential. Could you imagine RB's looking across the line and seeing Wilfork and McCullers playing next to each other? Talk about running into a brick wall up the middle.

McCullers is a big dude, nothing more. He is NOT a football player. Terence Cody was by far a better football player -- i.e., NT -- in college than McCullers is/was. What has Cody done in the NFL?

McCullers with VW? forget it. I am pretty sure that is not the interior D we all have been wanting. No interior push. Predictable and static. What good is a wall when it's predictably stuck in one place so that the other side can run circles around it?

Sorry, but I have watched so much college football, as in full games, not just highlights, this past year, I just can't understand the fascination.

I hate to be a party p00per but isn't Landry similar less the speed to Boyce? Every scouting report I read on him says "slot WR", good hands, adept at running short route, etc.

looking over our current WR corps, it seems we have a host of guys that can play very well in the slot, and a couple in Dobson, Lafell, maybe thompkins that can line up outside and win. Dobson is a ? With his foot, thompkins not sure if he even makes the roster.

AMy preference would be for a X/Z hybrid rather than Y, Y/Z type of player.

Thoughts?

No, he's not as fast as Boyce... but I think he can play inside or out, I think he'll come in and learn the offense relatively quickly and I think his ability/savvy as a route runner and ability to catch anything that's close (especially over the middle) will quickly make him a trusted weapon for Brady.

I'm not shooting down the idea of BB targeting a bigger WR, in fact I'd love to see that too, but Landry is a very, very good football player.

There aren't many guys in the NFL who are as fast as a healthy Boyce he ran a 4.34 40 at the combine last year with a broken foot! Landry might be a football player though and that might be his selling point.

McCullers is a big dude, nothing more. He is NOT a football player. Terence Cody was by far a better football player -- i.e., NT -- in college than McCullers is/was. What has Cody done in the NFL?

McCullers with VW? forget it. I am pretty sure that is not the interior D we all have been wanting. No interior push. Predictable and static. What good is a wall when it's predictably stuck in one place so that the other side can run circles around it?

Sorry, but I have watched so much college football, as in full games, not just highlights, this past year, I just can't understand the fascination.

Hey what do you know I have too and I'm telling you there is something there. You know I have a good track record when it comes to DL every year and McCullers has more than just an achor quality to him. He has good hand work and has great understanding of leverage for his size. He was dominant in 12', easily a top 3 NT in that year and had little trouble pushing the pocket back 3-4' at a time. Believe it or not that much can be effective in causing panic for a QB. In 13' if you watched the games you'd noticed he was mostly doubled and tripled teamed, and one reason why his production went down but still never got pushed back. If you are forced to have to double both Vince and McCuller then you are leaving both Nink and Jones on 1v1 situations and the LB's open space. I highly doubt other teams could run circles around that as you think. The biggest question with McCullers though is his stamina and if he can stay on the field. Not very effective if he gets winded every other play. But having someone of similar size (Vince) to help him keep in shape would go a long way. The kid flashes tons of potential but still needs to live up to it.

McCullers is a big dude, nothing more. He is NOT a football player. Terence Cody was by far a better football player -- i.e., NT -- in college than McCullers is/was. What has Cody done in the NFL?

McCullers with VW? forget it. I am pretty sure that is not the interior D we all have been wanting. No interior push. Predictable and static. What good is a wall when it's predictably stuck in one place so that the other side can run circles around it?

Sorry, but I have watched so much college football, as in full games, not just highlights, this past year, I just can't understand the fascination.

Hey what do you know I have too and I'm telling you there is something there. You know I have a good track record when it comes to DL every year and McCullers has more than just an achor quality to him. He has good hand work and has great understanding of leverage for his size. He was dominant in 12', easily a top 3 NT in that year and had little trouble pushing the pocket back 3-4' at a time. Believe it or not that much can be effective in causing panic for a QB. In 13' if you watched the games you'd noticed he was mostly doubled and tripled teamed, and one reason why his production went down but still never got pushed back. If you are forced to have to double both Vince and McCuller then you are leaving both Nink and Jones on 1v1 situations and the LB's open space. I highly doubt other teams could run circles around that as you think. The biggest question with McCullers though is his stamina and if he can stay on the field. Not very effective if he gets winded every other play. But having someone of similar size (Vince) to help him keep in shape would go a long way. The kid flashes tons of potential but still needs to live up to it.

I think McCullers would be worth a shot in the 4th. Definitely rare size. I'm not going to pretend I've watched a lot of his film, because I have not. I did see him play a few times, though, and saw him look pretty disruptive.

Jarvis Landry runs identical 4.58's at his Pro Day, which seems much more inline with his tape than the 4.77 he ran at the combine.

I like him...huge hands...catches everything and is quicker than his 40 time shows. This kid is going to help some team.

My thoughts exactly... love his tape.

Landry is a tough guy who does the dirty work for an offense...I think he'll end up being a bettter pro in the end than his more heralded teammate...he ran fast today, had a really good workout...so did Mettenberger and Hill, who ran a tenth of a second fatser than at the combine, in the 4.5's...a 230 pound back that can bring it that fast is nasty...one final point...the guys they showed on camera all looked athletic and cut..all looked in great shape, even Mettenmberg who was just 13 weeks from ACL surgery...made 100 throws and was accurate...NFL Network is GREAT!!!

I too think he ends up as the better pro.

Yeah, love the nighly "Path to the Draft" content"! Draft weekend is great too because you can switch back and forth... and I much prefer Mayock to Kiper/McShay.

+100...Mayock played the pro game so he knows from a pro coaches perspective what they are looking for and what you need to succeed first hand....the other two still like to compete against each other although ESPN has most likely told them to cool it as Mayock had garnered new converts to NFL Network draft coverage.

No chance he lasts till the 6th. I don't think he'll make it out of the early 5th at the latest and even then I think he's going in the 4th

Maybe. He's a conversion project. His experience running has been mainly as a read-option QB.

What kind of a RB do you think he will be? He has virtually no experience running between tackles as a feature back. He has very limited experience blocking. Third down? His experience catching is limited to those pitches outside.

I understand he shows tremendous explosion and performed well at the combine. Perhaps on any other draft year, that would be enough to push him to a 4th round RB.

This year, however, the draft is deep with talent, that teams do not have to resort to projection projects that early. There are starters to be had in the 4th. Picking him in the fourth would at least come at the price of not picking other prospects who have 4th round grades in the position they've played for many years. Actually, picking McKinnon in the fourth could mean picking him ahead of RBs such as Freeman (a beast between tackles), Sims, Gaffney (3-down back), D Thomas (very versatile 3rd down back), Grice (who could be a hell of an all-around QB when healthy).

I am not even saying he cannot be a great RB. I could see him being picked in the fourth by someone who has an extra comp pick. I'd be surprised if someone with one 4th round pick would gamble on him.

No chance he lasts till the 6th. I don't think he'll make it out of the early 5th at the latest and even then I think he's going in the 4th

Maybe. He's a conversion project. His experience running has been mainly as a read-option QB.

What kind of a RB do you think he will be? He has virtually no experience running between tackles as a feature back. He has very limited experience blocking. Third down? His experience catching is limited to those pitches outside.

I understand he shows tremendous explosion and performed well at the combine. Perhaps on any other draft year, that would be enough to push him to a 4th round RB.

This year, however, the draft is deep with talent, that teams do not have to resort to projection projects that early. There are starters to be had in the 4th. Picking him in the fourth would at least come at the price of not picking other prospects who have 4th round grades in the position they've played for many years. Actually, picking McKinnon in the fourth could mean picking him ahead of RBs such as Freeman (a beast between tackles), Sims, Gaffney (3-down back), D Thomas (very versatile 3rd down back), Grice (who could be a hell of an all-around QB when healthy).

I am not even saying he cannot be a great RB. I could see him being picked in the fourth by someone who has an extra comp pick. I'd be surprised if someone with one 4th round pick would gamble on him.

They worked him out at RB at the senior bowl and he was one of the most explosive RB's at senior bowl week easily blowing past seasoned defenders and he was a top 5 performer in every catagory at the combine. Not to mention he was one of the most productive runners in college including big games against top end college programs like Florida in which he was the only weapon. I also forgot to mention he appearently catches the ball extremely well out of the backfield and has a good sense of routes. I've told MB this but he's the RB version of Cobb, I have no doubt.

No chance he lasts till the 6th. I don't think he'll make it out of the early 5th at the latest and even then I think he's going in the 4th

Maybe. He's a conversion project. His experience running has been mainly as a read-option QB.

What kind of a RB do you think he will be? He has virtually no experience running between tackles as a feature back. He has very limited experience blocking. Third down? His experience catching is limited to those pitches outside.

I understand he shows tremendous explosion and performed well at the combine. Perhaps on any other draft year, that would be enough to push him to a 4th round RB.

This year, however, the draft is deep with talent, that teams do not have to resort to projection projects that early. There are starters to be had in the 4th. Picking him in the fourth would at least come at the price of not picking other prospects who have 4th round grades in the position they've played for many years. Actually, picking McKinnon in the fourth could mean picking him ahead of RBs such as Freeman (a beast between tackles), Sims, Gaffney (3-down back), D Thomas (very versatile 3rd down back), Grice (who could be a hell of an all-around QB when healthy).

I am not even saying he cannot be a great RB. I could see him being picked in the fourth by someone who has an extra comp pick. I'd be surprised if someone with one 4th round pick would gamble on him.

They worked him out at RB at the senior bowl and he was one of the most explosive RB's at senior bowl week easily blowing past seasoned defenders and he was a top 5 performer in every catagory at the combine. Not to mention he was one of the most productive runners in college including big games against top end college programs like Florida in which he was the only weapon. I also forgot to mention he appearently catches the ball extremely well out of the backfield and has a good sense of routes. I've told MB this but he's the RB version of Cobb, I have no doubt.

Saw them comment about him on "Path to the Draft" on the NFL Network...sounds like one heckuva an athlete and moves like one on the film I saw, that's for sure...to be that strong and fast at that size is amazing...you take him, you find out what he can do and you train him to do it...he'd be worth a year or two of development...given he's been a QB he certainly understands the game well, so he won't be like taking a sprinter and teaching him to catch passes...he already gets it...

Jarvis Landry runs identical 4.58's at his Pro Day, which seems much more inline with his tape than the 4.77 he ran at the combine.

I like him...huge hands...catches everything and is quicker than his 40 time shows. This kid is going to help some team.

My thoughts exactly... love his tape.

Landry is a tough guy who does the dirty work for an offense...I think he'll end up being a bettter pro in the end than his more heralded teammate...he ran fast today, had a really good workout...so did Mettenberger and Hill, who ran a tenth of a second fatser than at the combine, in the 4.5's...a 230 pound back that can bring it that fast is nasty...one final point...the guys they showed on camera all looked athletic and cut..all looked in great shape, even Mettenmberg who was just 13 weeks from ACL surgery...made 100 throws and was accurate...NFL Network is GREAT!!!

I too think he ends up as the better pro.

Yeah, love the nighly "Path to the Draft" content"! Draft weekend is great too because you can switch back and forth... and I much prefer Mayock to Kiper/McShay.

+100...Mayock played the pro game so he knows from a pro coaches perspective what they are looking for and what you need to succeed first hand....the other two still like to compete against each other although ESPN has most likely told them to cool it as Mayock had garnered new converts to NFL Network draft coverage.

And as an ND guy, I get Mayock for all NBC broadcasts... he's just very good at articulating the game.. and/or why a player is good/not good.

McCullers is a big dude, nothing more. He is NOT a football player. Terence Cody was by far a better football player -- i.e., NT -- in college than McCullers is/was. What has Cody done in the NFL?

McCullers with VW? forget it. I am pretty sure that is not the interior D we all have been wanting. No interior push. Predictable and static. What good is a wall when it's predictably stuck in one place so that the other side can run circles around it?

Sorry, but I have watched so much college football, as in full games, not just highlights, this past year, I just can't understand the fascination.

Hey what do you know I have too and I'm telling you there is something there. You know I have a good track record when it comes to DL every year and McCullers has more than just an achor quality to him. He has good hand work and has great understanding of leverage for his size. He was dominant in 12', easily a top 3 NT in that year and had little trouble pushing the pocket back 3-4' at a time. Believe it or not that much can be effective in causing panic for a QB. In 13' if you watched the games you'd noticed he was mostly doubled and tripled teamed, and one reason why his production went down but still never got pushed back. If you are forced to have to double both Vince and McCuller then you are leaving both Nink and Jones on 1v1 situations and the LB's open space. I highly doubt other teams could run circles around that as you think. The biggest question with McCullers though is his stamina and if he can stay on the field. Not very effective if he gets winded every other play. But having someone of similar size (Vince) to help him keep in shape would go a long way. The kid flashes tons of potential but still needs to live up to it.

I think McCullers would be worth a shot in the 4th. Definitely rare size. I'm not going to pretend I've watched a lot of his film, because I have not. I did see him play a few times, though, and saw him look pretty disruptive.

I can understand how people can have that perspective, particularly if they rely solely on teh highlight vids on youtube or even draftbreakdown. In those, you don't get to see what the prospect does or doesn't get done in the rest of the snaps the team has played.

I actually don't see him as must double team. In all his games this year, he got mostly single blocks. When doubled, the second blocker is just there with one arm on him, while looking for other rushers to block, just to redirect McCullers to the main blocker.

The TEN DT who constantly got double teamed was #97, Hood - at 277 ibs is probaby too light to play DT in the NFL.

I guess we all see different things when watching the same thing.

Regardless, I probably would support McCullers and want him to succeed, anyway, if he wore a Pats uni.

Jarvis Landry runs identical 4.58's at his Pro Day, which seems much more inline with his tape than the 4.77 he ran at the combine.

I like him...huge hands...catches everything and is quicker than his 40 time shows. This kid is going to help some team.

My thoughts exactly... love his tape.

Landry is a tough guy who does the dirty work for an offense...I think he'll end up being a bettter pro in the end than his more heralded teammate...he ran fast today, had a really good workout...so did Mettenberger and Hill, who ran a tenth of a second fatser than at the combine, in the 4.5's...a 230 pound back that can bring it that fast is nasty...one final point...the guys they showed on camera all looked athletic and cut..all looked in great shape, even Mettenmberg who was just 13 weeks from ACL surgery...made 100 throws and was accurate...NFL Network is GREAT!!!

I too think he ends up as the better pro.

Yeah, love the nighly "Path to the Draft" content"! Draft weekend is great too because you can switch back and forth... and I much prefer Mayock to Kiper/McShay.

+100...Mayock played the pro game so he knows from a pro coaches perspective what they are looking for and what you need to succeed first hand....the other two still like to compete against each other although ESPN has most likely told them to cool it as Mayock had garnered new converts to NFL Network draft coverage.

And as an ND guy, I get Mayock for all NBC broadcasts... he's just very good at articulating the game.. and/or why a player is good/not good.

Yep, a bright, well spoken and great analyst of the more intricate parts of the game that devout followers can really enjoy...a knowlegeable dude to say the least.

I can understand how people can have that perspective, particularly if they rely solely on teh highlight vids on youtube or even draftbreakdown. In those, you don't get to see what the prospect does or doesn't get done in the rest of the snaps the team has played.

I actually don't see him as must double team. In all his games this year, he got mostly single blocks. When doubled, the second blocker is just there with one arm on him, while looking for other rushers to block, just to redirect McCullers to the main blocker.

The TEN DT who constantly got double teamed was #97, Hood - at 277 ibs is probaby too light to play DT in the NFL.

I guess we all see different things when watching the same thing.

Regardless, I probably would support McCullers and want him to succeed, anyway, if he wore a Pats uni.

Wow Seattle, be a little more condescending why don't yea? Did you forget to read the parts where we both actually watched games of his and not just highlight video's? Appearently not.