pisceandreamer:Can we get these women an intensive six-month course in krav maga and then let the men see what happens when they get all gropey?

While I'm all in favor of people who grope learning their lesson the hard way (and nothing says the hard way like having your hand broken), it sort of ignores the large social context these sexual harassments take place in. I have a friend who has lived in the Middle East, primarily Egypt and Jordan for years, and it's hard to describe the scope of it. She said all the time on the bus she had people grab her ass, her boobs, all over. Even though she was fluent in Arabic, she avoided learning the dirty words (practically the first thing most foreigner learn in most places) because walking down the street people would call out things she knew were dirty and suggestive and didn't want to know exactly what they were saying.

And women, from the time they are little, are trained to just...take it. To fight back is to risk serious physical violence, and the authorities aren't necessarily going to be on your side when they're called. Now, if you're traveling with a man, no one is going to say anything because *he* would have to defend the honor of *his* woman. But a woman by herself, why she's just a whore, a slut, public property for everyone to abuse.

So good on these women for speaking out, because much more effective than teaching women martial arts is teaching them that they're full people, worthy of respect and equal treatment.

You'll all have to excuse me if I don't shed a tear over this. Muslims, as a group, are the most farked up people on the planet and nothing we say or do short eradicating them from the planet is going to fix them anytime soon.

Now, Im going to go back to farking myself... could someone please post some picts of hot egyption women???

Mildot:You'll all have to excuse me if I don't shed a tear over this. Muslims, as a group, are the most farked up people on the planet and nothing we say or do short eradicating them from the planet is going to fix them anytime soon.

Now, Im going to go back to farking myself... could someone please post some picts of hot egyption women???

Now, now. Let's not get ourselves worked up. This is Fark, afterall. No matter how big the problem, and this one is quite the humdinger of a dilemma, there is absolutely no reason to hate someone who is trying his hand at humor. Granted, he's no George Carlin, but, really, who is? Laugh at his stupidity, and move on.

Now, which one of these sweet young things is gonna make me a sammich?

What is the mind set of the men? If they allow another man to fondle their "property" what kind of men can they be?How far off the deep end would you go if someone was groping your mom, sister, wife, daughter?And I say property because that's the status of women in the third world.How can a civilization that had a thousand year jump start on us, be so backward?

well, the US did nothing when the Taliban took over in Afghanistan because it was none of our business. Then when Al Quaeda used the safety of Afghanistan to plan and implement the WTC attacks everyone wrung their hands and said "Why didn't we do anything before they attacked us?" . So Bush attacked Iraq, and everyone wrung their hands and said "Why are we doing this? They haven't attacked us." So, now here we are again. Let the hand wringing begin.

cig-mkr:What is the mind set of the men? If they allow another man to fondle their "property" what kind of men can they be?How far off the deep end would you go if someone was groping your mom, sister, wife, daughter?And I say property because that's the status of women in the third world.How can a civilization that had a thousand year jump start on us, be so backward?

Basically, you can do what you want with their women, but if you dare touch a muslim mans little boy or donkey, you gonna have problems. Again, MOST farkED UP PEOPLE ON THE PLANET!!

Lee Bruns:well, the US did nothing when the Taliban took over in Afghanistan because it was none of our business.

Actually, I would say after decades of propping up a brutally oppressive regime in Egypt, pretty much for the sole purpose of keeping Israel happy, what happens in Egypt is our business. It's not like we're some innocent observer here.

Looking over this thread, I can see I am not the only one who is being a bit insensitive to the plight of these women, but so far I am the only one whos been told to go fark myself. HELLO PEOPLE, can we act like Obama and spread the wealth a bit?

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich:Actually, I would say after decades of propping up a brutally oppressive regime in Egypt, pretty much for the sole purpose of keeping Israel happy, what happens in Egypt is our business. It's not like we're some innocent observer here.

So we should put the Taliban in power in Egypt. At least they won't ever be a puppet state of the US or Israel.

/there is no way this brilliant plan could possibly fail//smart diplomacy! hope and change!

Mildot:cig-mkr: What is the mind set of the men? If they allow another man to fondle their "property" what kind of men can they be?How far off the deep end would you go if someone was groping your mom, sister, wife, daughter?And I say property because that's the status of women in the third world.How can a civilization that had a thousand year jump start on us, be so backward?

Basically, you can do what you want with their women, but if you dare touch a muslim mans little boy or donkey, you gonna have problems. Again, MOST farkED UP PEOPLE ON THE PLANET!!

Mildot:Looking over this thread, I can see I am not the only one who is being a bit insensitive to the plight of these women, but so far I am the only one whos been told to go fark myself. HELLO PEOPLE, can we act like Obama and spread the wealth a bit?

3/10

Really it should be a 2/10, but I usually mark up a bit for extra effort, and you're very persistent.

cig-mkr:How can a civilization that had a thousand year jump start on us, be so backward?

THAT part is very easy to understand. Just sit your butt down and watch the USA become the repressed regressive backwater of Earth in just a few short decades. It isn't even taking 1000 years. First it will be abortions, and birth control, and public shaming (as we are already doing). Then we will stop electing women (already well underway in the USA), then back down the corporate ladder (also well underway). Equal pay trials have already been tried and failed.... That is just 5 years.

The USA is already dropped from world leader status in every measure of women's rights. At this pace we will pass Egypt in about a generation.