The state attorney general's office said these DACA recipients have "lawful presence" and therefore are eligible for a license. As a result, the state Department of Transportation decided to issue licenses starting March 25 with red capital letters saying "NO LAWFUL STATUS" and "LIMITED TERM."

Krieghund:The state attorney general's office said these DACA recipients have "lawful presence" and therefore are eligible for a license. As a result, the state Department of Transportation decided to issue licenses starting March 25 with red capital letters saying "NO LAWFUL STATUS" and "LIMITED TERM."

Those two statements seem to contradict each other.

Maybe they are not illegal under state law but have no legal status under Federal law?

Darth_Lukecash:Why would this information need to be on a drivers license?

It shouldn't, it's the kind of thing you'd put on a National ID card, if we actually had one. When I was living in Hong Kong you had to register for a generic ID after you got your visa. Since the British can't drive on the proper side of the road, I never got a driver's license while I was there.

According to the article, to make sure the driver's license is not taken to imply eligibility to vote. It's similar in concept to distinctive under-21 licenses that do not imply eligibility to buy alcohol.

Lsherm:Darth_Lukecash: Why would this information need to be on a drivers license?

It shouldn't, it's the kind of thing you'd put on a National ID card, if we actually had one. When I was living in Hong Kong you had to register for a generic ID after you got your visa. Since the British can't drive on the proper side of the road, I never got a driver's license while I was there.

The British don't have an ID card, or use a driving licence as a de facto ID card. My driving licence is in a fire safe at home and has been for years. I never carry it, even when driving.

ZAZ:According to the article, to make sure the driver's license is not taken to imply eligibility to vote. It's similar in concept to distinctive under-21 licenses that do not imply eligibility to buy alcohol.

Ah, to stamp out voter fraud. We can always count on republicans to spend money solving problems that don't exist.

Flint Ironstag:Lsherm: Darth_Lukecash: Why would this information need to be on a drivers license?

It shouldn't, it's the kind of thing you'd put on a National ID card, if we actually had one. When I was living in Hong Kong you had to register for a generic ID after you got your visa. Since the British can't drive on the proper side of the road, I never got a driver's license while I was there.

The British don't have an ID card, or use a driving licence as a de facto ID card. My driving licence is in a fire safe at home and has been for years. I never carry it, even when driving.

Yeah well, in Europe your license is something that shows a competency at driving, here in the US they're handed to anyone that can figure out to move the stick thing to the "D".

/Wants a law that bans automatics from anything but the right lane//They're the AOL of the automotive world.

vpb:Krieghund: The state attorney general's office said these DACA recipients have "lawful presence" and therefore are eligible for a license. As a result, the state Department of Transportation decided to issue licenses starting March 25 with red capital letters saying "NO LAWFUL STATUS" and "LIMITED TERM."

Those two statements seem to contradict each other.

Maybe they are not illegal under state law but have no legal status under Federal law?

Girion47:Flint Ironstag: Lsherm: Darth_Lukecash: Why would this information need to be on a drivers license?

It shouldn't, it's the kind of thing you'd put on a National ID card, if we actually had one. When I was living in Hong Kong you had to register for a generic ID after you got your visa. Since the British can't drive on the proper side of the road, I never got a driver's license while I was there.

The British don't have an ID card, or use a driving licence as a de facto ID card. My driving licence is in a fire safe at home and has been for years. I never carry it, even when driving.

Yeah well, in Europe your license is something that shows a competency at driving, here in the US they're handed to anyone that can figure out to move the stick thing to the "D".

/Wants a law that bans automatics from anything but the right lane//They're the AOL of the automotive world.

I'm right there with you brother. And telephones- if they aren't attached to a some kind of cord going to the wall, they should be outlawed as well.

Automatic vs manual. Some things never change. Here's the giggle. There are actually people out there that still believe driving a stick makes them part of that machismo culture.

clowncar on fire:Girion47: Flint Ironstag: Lsherm: Darth_Lukecash: Why would this information need to be on a drivers license?

It shouldn't, it's the kind of thing you'd put on a National ID card, if we actually had one. When I was living in Hong Kong you had to register for a generic ID after you got your visa. Since the British can't drive on the proper side of the road, I never got a driver's license while I was there.

The British don't have an ID card, or use a driving licence as a de facto ID card. My driving licence is in a fire safe at home and has been for years. I never carry it, even when driving.

Yeah well, in Europe your license is something that shows a competency at driving, here in the US they're handed to anyone that can figure out to move the stick thing to the "D".

/Wants a law that bans automatics from anything but the right lane//They're the AOL of the automotive world.

I'm right there with you brother. And telephones- if they aren't attached to a some kind of cord going to the wall, they should be outlawed as well.

Automatic vs manual. Some things never change. Here's the giggle. There are actually people out there that still believe driving a stick makes them part of that machismo culture.

It isn't the machismo, it's the awareness of conditions. Automatics you just put it in gear and do a minimum. You have hands free for other things and you pretty much ignore what your engine is doing, you don't mind cruising in the left lane slowing everyone up, or slushing around in traffic, there's no way to really engine brake, my main issue with automatic drivers is they have no consideration for other people on the road and how they may be affecting them.

According to the article, to make sure the driver's license is not taken to imply eligibility to vote. It's similar in concept to distinctive under-21 licenses that do not imply eligibility to buy alcohol.

Then it would say "No Voting Status" or similar. This is trying to dehumanize people, this has jackshiat to do with vote fraud.

fanbladesaresharp:So what do other countries do in the same situation? Is there similar outrage? Also, what if they're "non legal status" AND under 21? Is the card neon farking international orange?

No outrage here because our driving licence is just a driving licence. We rarely use it as an ID, mine doesn't even have my photo on it and there is no obligation to carry it, so no one would ever think it meant the holder had citizenship. It just means you live here.

/I think the only people who use it as an ID is to buy alcohol or cigarettes.

Considering that these are the people who whine about Big Government and useless bureaucracy, they sure love Big Government and useless bureaucracy. It's almost as if their real problem isn't with big government and bureaucracy per se, but with some other people who shall remain nameless.

I guess we should just scratch these states off of the list of places that welcome Canadian and European tourists and euro-dollars and move on to some place friendlier.

Girion47:clowncar on fire: Girion47: Flint Ironstag: Lsherm: Darth_Lukecash: Why would this information need to be on a drivers license?

It shouldn't, it's the kind of thing you'd put on a National ID card, if we actually had one. When I was living in Hong Kong you had to register for a generic ID after you got your visa. Since the British can't drive on the proper side of the road, I never got a driver's license while I was there.

The British don't have an ID card, or use a driving licence as a de facto ID card. My driving licence is in a fire safe at home and has been for years. I never carry it, even when driving.

Yeah well, in Europe your license is something that shows a competency at driving, here in the US they're handed to anyone that can figure out to move the stick thing to the "D".

/Wants a law that bans automatics from anything but the right lane//They're the AOL of the automotive world.

I'm right there with you brother. And telephones- if they aren't attached to a some kind of cord going to the wall, they should be outlawed as well.

Automatic vs manual. Some things never change. Here's the giggle. There are actually people out there that still believe driving a stick makes them part of that machismo culture.

It isn't the machismo, it's the awareness of conditions. Automatics you just put it in gear and do a minimum. You have hands free for other things and you pretty much ignore what your engine is doing, you don't mind cruising in the left lane slowing everyone up, or slushing around in traffic, there's no way to really engine brake, my main issue with automatic drivers is they have no consideration for other people on the road and how they may be affecting them.

On the opposite side of the coin- manual drivers (especially the inexpirienced) are never distracted with the clutch and gas synchonization thing, never roll back on a hill or stall out. Its all a matter of personal taste. I'd prefer a manual in snowbound areas, an the convenience of an automatic in the city or in flatter areas. Inexpirienced people driving manuals in hilly territory can bite me. Learn to drive an automatic for a year before trying to learn how to take off up hill without the distraction of frigging around with gears and clutches.

I think that North Carolina has to look forward to many of the same things Wisconsin's done already after elected some teabagger loser as governor: first of all the derp is going to be endless. Second, you're going to be spending millions of tax dollars on court battles to defend poorly written laws. Third, the hypocrisy that comes from these people is going to be mind-blowing.

At best, North Carolina and Wisconsin can get new governors next time around and repeal some of the laws in spite of the gerrymadering. If nothing else, we can sit and reminisce about the days when we has decent states.

Like the Texas DPS no longer using sharpshooters in choppers, when 2 Guatemalan illegals were killed in a high speed chase. If they hadn't commited a crime(coming across illegally). If they didn't come here, the risk of death is less. To make sure there is no ambiguity, I'd like to propose, in addition to the pink stripe:/Half hispanic, since the 1730s docs show forbears citizens Republic of Texas and then U.S. citizens.//Not racist, Central Americans an ethnicity, not a race.///Suck it, haterz.

I'm British.I have a green card.I've lived legally in the States since 1984. It's basically my country now.I was actually, for family reasons, considering moving to NC. Now, not so much.What the fark are these redneck idiots thinking about?

Girion47:It isn't the machismo, it's the awareness of conditions. Automatics you just put it in gear and do a minimum. You have hands free for other things and you pretty much ignore what your engine is doing, you don't mind cruising in the left lane slowing everyone up, or slushing around in traffic, there's no way to really engine brake, my main issue with automatic drivers is they have no consideration for other people on the road and how they may be affecting them.

Do you think maybe the reason you think automatic drivers are bad drivers is that over 90% of cars are automatics now? I think there is a wide range of bad drivers; transmission type doesn't necessarily have much to do with it.

Tillmaster:I'm British.I have a green card.I've lived legally in the States since 1984. It's basically my country now.I was actually, for family reasons, considering moving to NC. Now, not so much.What the fark are these redneck idiots thinking about?

Did you emigrate legally or are you still on the run. That would probably be the only reason effecting why you would want to get your license in NC.

Ex-Texan:Like the Texas DPS no longer using sharpshooters in choppers, when 2 Guatemalan illegals were killed in a high speed chase. If they hadn't commited a crime(coming across illegally). If they didn't come here, the risk of death is less. To make sure there is no ambiguity, I'd like to propose, in addition to the pink stripe:[4.bp.blogspot.com image 585x439]/Half hispanic, since the 1730s docs show forbears citizens Republic of Texas and then U.S. citizens.//Not racist, Central Americans an ethnicity, not a race.///Suck it, haterz.

Tillmaster:I'm British.I have a green card.I've lived legally in the States since 1984. It's basically my country now.I was actually, for family reasons, considering moving to NC. Now, not so much.What the fark are these redneck idiots thinking about?

They are thinking about the positive reaction a policy like this gets from xenophobic morons like you see in this thread.

Hey, just have the H1Bs sleep on cots in the supply closet. They don't need to go anywhere besides work!

I support changing this tired immigration flame war into a tired manual vs. automatic transmission flame war.

I learned on manual and my first two cars were manual, my current and previous were automatic. There's no material difference in vehicle control. Heck, most modern automatics give you gear by gear control if you really really want it. Driver quality differences... you really pull up next to everyone on the road and stare past their lap to see what their gearshift looks like? No, you're just making up bullshiat.

Girion47:clowncar on fire: Girion47: Flint Ironstag: Lsherm: Darth_Lukecash: Why would this information need to be on a drivers license?

It shouldn't, it's the kind of thing you'd put on a National ID card, if we actually had one. When I was living in Hong Kong you had to register for a generic ID after you got your visa. Since the British can't drive on the proper side of the road, I never got a driver's license while I was there.

The British don't have an ID card, or use a driving licence as a de facto ID card. My driving licence is in a fire safe at home and has been for years. I never carry it, even when driving.

Yeah well, in Europe your license is something that shows a competency at driving, here in the US they're handed to anyone that can figure out to move the stick thing to the "D".

/Wants a law that bans automatics from anything but the right lane//They're the AOL of the automotive world.

I'm right there with you brother. And telephones- if they aren't attached to a some kind of cord going to the wall, they should be outlawed as well.

Automatic vs manual. Some things never change. Here's the giggle. There are actually people out there that still believe driving a stick makes them part of that machismo culture.

It isn't the machismo, it's the awareness of conditions. Automatics you just put it in gear and do a minimum. You have hands free for other things and you pretty much ignore what your engine is doing, you don't mind cruising in the left lane slowing everyone up, or slushing around in traffic, there's no way to really engine brake, my main issue with automatic drivers is they have no consideration for other people on the road and how they may be affecting them.