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Em...meh........eh............bland is all I can think of.
Ichigo gets new powers from a mystery man to defeat the bad guy> Man steals powers, turns out to be on the evil side> Ichigo gets old powers back even STRONGER, just looks different> Wins.

Throw a few 1-Hit K.O filler pages in-between from the captains, with useless backgrounds for characters we will most likely never see again. I miss you GrimmJaw

Hmm, just to prove how good and epic this chapter was, look at the latest chapter threads for Naruto and One Piece, then return here. Notice how this one just jumped to page 2 while the rest are around page 4 and 5 xD

Oh Kubo, you and your mediocre and boring arc.

Or maybe the fans just don't find the Bleach discussions in this forum enjoyable due to a massive amounts of comments like yours

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Originally Posted by Haak

Another sap story thrown in the end at the last minute to try and make us sympathize with the villains. Oh joy.

I really don't think that was Kubo's intention at all. He's merely developing the characters. This chapters also explains why Tsukishima, would follow a guy, he could just bookmark and "make" him is friend

It also connects the "Donuts Chapter" The one a lot of fans complained because they felt Kubo wasted panel time on it and it's also the one that fueled TsuRiru Shippers, because a lot of fans thought that Riruka was thinking about Tsukishima, when Orihime said that it was because she was saved by Ichigo that she could laugh and be happy, despite her hardships.

When it was actually Ginjou, that Riruka and Jackie(when fighting Renji) were referring to.

Also Hollow powers are born from the "soul". Tsukishima's loneliness is a damn good explanation for how his powers came to be. He makes friends

It also shows that their bonds were geniune and not because Ginjou manipulated them for his own gain. It shows how he is different from Aizen

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Originally Posted by Haak

Also, I hope Riruka didn't just trivialize mind rape. Perhaps it's not as bad as death but it's certainly not something easily forgivable either.

I don't see it that way at all. You can eventually recover from mind rape...or should I say there is a chance you could recover from mind rape but there's no coming back from death

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Originally Posted by hyl

Besides that this chapter is setting up some background story on Ginjo for next week (and maybe explain his hatred), the final confrontation between Ichigo and Ginjo was in my opinion very weak.

yeah it was not as good as it could have been but I think Kubo had to cut it short due to executive meddling

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Originally Posted by kiak666

Hmm, seems like Tsukishima (how he can still move I don't know) did care about some of his comrades even though the guy is shown to be sadistic at times. And looks like Ginjo is a lot older than he appears based on the flashbacks.

You think he's sadistic? I don't think so, he actually seemed compassionate. He felt bad for Ichigo when he was crying.

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Originally Posted by Fukitsu Naruto

-So...Riruka was a chest-burster? Well since she's not Sayzel (or however you spell his damn name), I suppose this isn't so bad. But yeah, Kubo may have been fishing for sympathy for Ginjou but he failed to earn it.

Um, I don't understand. What did Ginjou do that was so bad. I mean sure, he deceived Ichigo and took his Fullbring but I wouldn't call him "evil" or even a "villain"

There have been far worse offenders in Bleach and some of them are actually the "good guys"

Also this chapter gave Tsukishima a Freudian Excuse, not Ginjou. If anything Kubo was fishing for sympathy for Tsukishima not Ginjou

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Originally Posted by Kafriel

ll...or even worse, GT.

HALLELUJAH!!! Personally I want GT to DIE!!

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Originally Posted by Solace

It might solve a few mysteries, like how a substitute shinigami even came into existence (assuming Ginjo was the first and Ichigo is the second), what made Ginjo become so "evil", why Soul Society didn't deal with this problem before Ichigo appeared, why they didn't smack Ichigo down right away if they were worried about another Ginjo, etc.

Er...that was explained already. It wasn't really a mystery since KT explained in the chapter following the the BIG reveal

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Originally Posted by sayde

I'm still trying to understand why Bankai Ichigo was able to quickly & easily defeat Bankai hollow powered Ginjou when shikai Ichigo stalemated pre-bankai Ginjou. The whole thing would've made a lot more sense to me if Shikai Ichigo curbstomped Ginjou so badly that he was forced to go Bankai first. I'm also finding it difficult to care about the flashbacks which are to soon occur regarding characters I never really cared for up till now. So I'm curious to see if Kubo has what it takes to make me suddenly give a damn. We'll see...

Shikai Ichigo didn't stalemate, he overwhelmed GJ with a practice swing and a getsuga tensho. He didn't have to go bankai imo but for some reason he felt he had. Although he usually goes bankai first because he's a one-trick pony --BUT he was handling Ginjou in Shikai and then bankai. It was Ginjou who "had" to go bankai not Ichigo

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Originally Posted by Marcus H.

I think Ginjo's defeat while in Hollow-Bankai mode proves one thing: You don't defeat the original with a fake one. Ginjou was only able to transform because he sucked away Ichigo fullbring powers. Without it, the fight would have ended in the mansion.

He didn't take his fullbring powers--took the badge away. The badge was necessary to use "fulbring" but Ginjou didn't take away the ability to Fullbring

Ah I had so much more I planned to say, but I stopped caring since you guys are never ever serious about actually discussing the chapters and Bleach in general as you are about bashing it.

I really don't think that was Kubo's intention at all. He's merely developing the characters. This chapters also explains why Tsukishima, would follow a guy, he could just bookmark and "make" him is friend

It also connects the "Donuts Chapter" The one a lot of fans complained because they felt Kubo wasted panel time on it and it's also the one that fueled TsuRiru Shippers, because a lot of fans thought that Riruka was thinking about Tsukishima, when Orihime said that it was because she was saved by Ichigo that she could laugh and be happy, despite her hardships.

When it was actually Ginjou, that Riruka and Jackie(when fighting Renji) were referring to.

Also Hollow powers are born from the "soul". Tsukishima's loneliness is a damn good explanation for how his powers came to be. He makes friends

It also shows that their bonds were geniune and not because Ginjou manipulated them for his own gain. It shows how he is different from Aizen

None of this is really relevant to my point but whatever...

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I don't see it that way at all. You can eventually recover from mind rape...or should I say there is a chance you could recover from mind rape but there's no coming back from death

Lol, you can possibly recover from mind rape? Really i would've thought mind rape is even worse than actual rape but since no one has ever been mind raped before then I guess it's impossible to say. In any case Riruka still made it sound like it was no big deal. I got the impression that she was saying it was harmless, in what was Kubo's attempt to whitewash Tsukishima's dickery so he could suddenly make him more sympathetic in a rather lame "Oh but he never wanted to kill anyone so deep down he actually a nice guy!"-like excuse.

Ah I had so much more I planned to say, but I stopped caring since you guys are never ever serious about actually discussing the chapters

"stop hating what I like"

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You think he's sadistic? I don't think so, he actually seemed compassionate. He felt bad for Ichigo when he was crying.

Ginjou to Tsukishima, "Don't screw with their past now! If you do, they won't be of any help! You've already destroyed too many people so far." Then we get a panel of Inoue and Chad starting to break down from Tsukishima's mind rape.

I hardly doubt he felt bad for discarding a tool they had no use for, regardless of saying "I feel horrible." His facial expression didn't convey anything implying feeling horrible.

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What did Ginjou do that was so bad. I mean sure, he deceived Ichigo and took his Fullbring but I wouldn't call him "evil" or even a "villain"

Cut off Ishida's arm.
Trained Ichigo just so he could steal his powers.
Saying they should kill Shishigawara after the battle was over because his power was troubling.

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Shikai Ichigo didn't stalemate, he overwhelmed GJ with a practice swing and a getsuga tensho. He didn't have to go bankai imo but for some reason he felt he had. Although he usually goes bankai first because he's a one-trick pony --BUT he was handling Ginjou in Shikai and then bankai. It was Ginjou who "had" to go bankai not Ichigo

Ichigo w/ Shikai was overwhelming Ginjou w/out Shikai. When Ginjou did use his Shikai, the brief fight w/ Ichigo at the time, was even, with no clear victor.

The only thing that bothered me about their fight was simply this:

Bankai Ichigo > Bankai Hollow Ginjou

Given Ichigo's other massive showdowns, this should NOT have ended that fast.

Shikai Ichigo didn't stalemate, he overwhelmed GJ with a practice swing and a getsuga tensho.

Its as if you stopped paying attention to the parts of their battle scattered from chapter 462 to 474.
Anyways, they really did stalemate--with Ishida's help no less. The fight was going no where fast after Ginjou's first release. In fact, he felt confident enough to claim he could "easily wipe the floor with" the both of them. So I can sort of see why Ichigo went Bankai first.

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Originally Posted by Lord of Pandemonium

It was Ginjou who "had" to go bankai not Ichigo

Yes...but only after Ichigo took the advantage by going Bankai first.

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Originally Posted by Mr. DJ

The only thing that bothered me about their fight was simply this:

Bankai Ichigo > Bankai Hollow Ginjou

Given Ichigo's other massive showdowns, this should NOT have ended that fast.

^ hmm… I thought Ginjou is just being cocky and arrogant when he said that he can "easily wipe the floor with” both of them back there?!?.....

I actually expect that their fight will ended fast since you know, I’ve been underestimating Ginjou and this fullbringers from the start,,,…and well, I guess I’m right……from the point where Ginjou realize how much more powerful Ichigo compare to him when Rukia stab him with that edgeless sword…that’s why he try to run and escape but unfortunately he’s caught…..so he just focused on plan B,…..confused Ichigo’s resolve, say the truth about SS, make him in his side, let Ichigo hate SS and etc.,,,but that plan didn’t work either so this is the result.

So I think this is fine, there’s no point to drag too long the fight since I guess, this is just an introduction to Ichigo’s new regain power… and his training with the Fullbringer don’t give him any damn benefits at all.

Ah yeah, about the Bankai Ichigo vs Bankai Hollow Ginjou.
I just think that maybe Ginjou’s releasing his Bankai is just a force. I also think that he doesn’t have his own shinigami power at all. It’s just his own Fullbring + Ichigo’s fullbring …..so his fullbring=hollow power and ichigo’s fullbring = hollow power that is born from shinigami power……so if Ichigo can go Bankai, he can force himself to go Bankai too without his own shinigami power, just Ichigo’s……and we’ve had enough to say that what he steal from Ichigo is not enough and weak to defeat what was given to Ichigo…...argh, do I make sense?lol

Sigh, the cliffhanger does not make me excite at all……. I wonder If I can still keep up reading Bleach up to next year……but anyways, I still have my positive thinking, hopefully we’ll get more descent chapters next year,……..ah yeah, hoping to see Uruhara and Isshin….^^

As much as I enjoyed Tsuki brainwashing damn near everyone earlier on, this arc doesn't have enough behind it, even if it's a prelude to a bigger problem. Some characters are enjoyable, but there's not enough clout in this.