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Since Tobi has been revealed as being Obito and not Madara, we are all overflown with questions regarding Uchiha Madara, one of the founding fathers of Konohagakure and former leader of the Uchiha Clan!

How did he survive to meet Obito?

Who killed him and how?

What are his goals?

What entails the future for him? Will Obito revive him with the Paths powers to release him definitively from the Edo Tensei form?

What did he do after fighting Hashirama?

Because its just a wide spread topic and so many theories are overflowing around the base about Madara, most of them similar or duplicate, from this point forward all discussions relating Madara will be done here. So here is a thread for you to post your theories filling the gaps and explaining how it became possible until Kishi explains it all himself. Also, if your topic is on how Madara saved Obito, refer to the Obito thread. If your topic is regarding why or with what reasoning Madara saved Obito, then it belongs here.

Failing to abide by this guideline may end up in having your Madara thread trashed, deleted or having you even infracted.

How Madara Uchiha got so young and why he was bringed back in his prime by Edo tensei !

Do you remeber how Nagato stoled Killer Bee chakra and got from a "old" guy (decayed) that cant walk into a young new powerfull Nagato ?

We also know that Madara got rinnegan before he died... so what if before he died he used the Preta Path and absoarbed some bijuu chakra maybe from the nine tails ?

This is way Madara could do more things before he died and when he died he was young and that could explain why the Edo Tensei bringed him back as a young guy !

Note: Nagato died as a old men ( decayed ) because he overused rinne tensei and he was edo tensei in that state then he becomed in his prime!

But what if Madara did this before he died so when he died Madara was young and Kabuto already bring him back as edo in prime because he already died in his prime ! only that Kabuto gived Madara wood release and maybe that is why he said beyond your prime

A Kama is a Japanese sickle used as a weapon. It has a short handle and a pointed beak with a sharp cutting edge that inflicts damage. There is also a variation of the kama, a kusarigama, which has a chain attached to it for increasing its attack range.

Unlike its traditional intended use, the kama has been most commonly observed being employed by shinobi as a throwing weapon rather than in close combat, where the entire weapon is tossed in such a manner that it rotates quickly end over end, to increase the probability that the bladed edge while strike its intended target.

So what can the Kama of Madara can do ? What special power do you guys think it holds ?

Im not sure if this is the reason why nagato have rinnegan and madara still have eyes in last page of ch.601.
If you remember the SO6P have rinnegan and his older son inherited his eyes.
If madara is related to nagato then nagato can inherit madara's rinnegan?.

Don't think that Madara is Nagatos father. Why should the founder of the Uchiha Clan sleep with an Uzumaki women? And if he did so Madara would have tried to use Nagato as a storage for the Kyuubi but not give him the Rinnegan. He should also have said something like: "My idiotic weak son betrayed me... he is an Uzumaki after all... "

Don't think that Madara is Nagatos father. Why should the founder of the Uchiha Clan sleep with an Uzumaki women? And if he did so Madara would have tried to use Nagato as a storage for the Kyuubi but not give him the Rinnegan. He should also have said something like: "My idiotic weak son betrayed me... he is an Uzumaki after all... "

He definitely could be Nagato's father. And if he said "My idiotic weak son..." that would kinda ruin part of the story

Okay: Please give some definite reasons why he could be Nagato's father. :confused:

this just a guess

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Tobis Words. He said that this Eyes of Nagato were his from the beginning(by Madaras Position) So If Madara did not gave away his own eyes, as we saw in chapter 601, then there is a high possbility that nagato got them on his own. But how? Well maybe the Uzumaki hertage has also a small relation to the Uchiha, or and thats also plausible he is part of Uchiha. So mix a Uchiha, with and Uzumaki/Senju, u will get the ability to fuse body & eyes(soul) to gain the power of the Sage. Its easy. So Nagato wont have to get the Sharingan. Because the Sharingan is just a incomplete form of the Rinnegan. Well then the Question remains, why would tobi as madara say they were given to nagato by him? So to think logically they are 2 ways. A direct one to tranplant or a metaphorical one like giving birth to this power.

Thanks. You got some interesting points in there!
However this Madara-Nagato family sounds in its whole still to much like a plot no jutsu to me:

The parents of Nagato have both been shown clearly but there was never any sign from Nagato nor any other hint at all that the man was not his biological father at all.
Why did Madara not mention or call Nagato as his son? (I think if so the Japanese Original text should have had some signs in it.)
When did Madara have the time to look for an Uzumaki women when he was maybe already in between the two worlds?
...
Besides I dont think that Madara gave the Rinnegan to Nagato. And when Tobi/Madara said he wants to get his eyes back maybe they were just referring to the fact they wanted to use the eyes for their own Madara resurrection purpose.

Though ad this point I admit I could have missed something from the older chaps >I forgot so much and that whole eye-hunting-exchange thing is driving me crazy.

But instead of focusing so much to Nagato-Madara more benefit we would gain if we would know a little more about the Madara-Oro
relation.

I believe it take Rinnegan to activate Perfect Susano, why draw the Rinnegan while summoning it? Furthermore the PS is the final stage of Sussano just as the Rinnegan is apparently the final perfected stage of the Sharingan. It goes hand in hand.

Thanks. You got some interesting points in there!
However this Madara-Nagato family sounds in its whole still to much like a plot no jutsu to me:

The parents of Nagato have both been shown clearly but there was never any sign from Nagato nor any other hint at all that the man was not his biological father at all.
Why did Madara not mention or call Nagato as his son? (I think if so the Japanese Original text should have had some signs in it.)
When did Madara have the time to look for an Uzumaki women when he was maybe already in between the two worlds?
...
Besides I dont think that Madara gave the Rinnegan to Nagato. And when Tobi/Madara said he wants to get his eyes back maybe they were just referring to the fact they wanted to use the eyes for their own Madara resurrection purpose.

Though ad this point I admit I could have missed something from the older chaps >I forgot so much and that whole eye-hunting-exchange thing is driving me crazy.

But instead of focusing so much to Nagato-Madara more benefit we would gain if we would know a little more about the Madara-Oro
relation.

I hope Oro and Sasuke will come back to the story soon!

If Madara would call Nagato his son, it would ruin the Plot a bit. It is like with tobi when he said he was madara, but people like I still belived he lied and is Obito. Its a Manga, Kishi won't make it that easy to guess for us. He is giving us hints, like that they said it were "his" eyes, so everyone thought madara gave Nagato his own eyes, but wait, won't Nagatos Parents know about that kind of thing? We do not know. Also Nagatos Parents were shown only 1 or 2 panels, they do not seem important, as well madara won't really need to do " her " ( Nagatos mother ), they are also artificail ways to make childrend, maybe Nagato was some of that experiment he started to get to know about the Sage poweres.
This means Madara is the one who created this Power of Nagato, and the only 2 logical ways right now are giving brith to this power or by an experiment.

Madara is old when he cures Obito in the chapter 601.
Edo-Madara is young.

Thus Madara was felt younger before its death.

How?

The technique of tsunade (that it uses on her for looking like a young person) shall give him a young appearance, having cells of Senju , I suppose that he would have been able to learn this technique.
But I don't imagine Madara using one gram of chakra in the only purpose of looking like a young person.

The technique of the rinnengan which uses edo-Nagato to find its vitality and its youth against Bee and Naruto.
This technique would make Madara look younger , at the top of its vitality (20/30 the years).

It is almost certain that it is the technique of the rinnengan that makes that " edo-madara " is younger than " madara which cures Obito "

Thus, Madara obtained rinnengan before its death, he probably awakened them (or he found on a guy who had them).

HIS STORY

After his fight against Hashimara , Madara , near death , between the 2 worlds , he discovers an information over the spirutual mecanisms of life , and found a way to upgrade his sharingans.
After Zetsu saved him , he works very hard and finally awakes the rinnengans.he studies very hardly the rinnengans capicities to such a point that he is losing vitality.He quickly look like an old man , but now , he masters the rinnengan better than Nagato in the future.Let's begin.

He creates a very very young team (héhéhé, the mission which he is going to spin them lasts 20 years)
Nagato at first, good Uzumakivital + capable of supporting the rinnengan.
Kisame then, cause he has an incomparable talent to capture bijuus and it is a good collector of chakra for the technique of revitalization.
And lastly and in secret Obito to manipulate these 2 guys when he will be dead.

Madara tell Obito the eye of the moon plan , knowing Obito would like that.(the choice of Kakashi/Minato not to rescue Rin killed Rin , no choice=no bad choice ).
But nothing says that Madara is going to make that.Patience.

He announces then his team their mission.
Get back the chakra of all the bijuus via a statue and the rinnengans of Nagato.

He uses this technique of the rinnengan and Kisame (Samehada supplies height of chakra to madara) for being at the top of its vitality: Madaravital + .

He asks then his team to kill him and take his rinnengans (at the moment or Madara is in him between 2 worlds , so that when he will be revived he will have the rinnengans) to transplant them on Nagato.

He does not forget to tell Obito to make him return to life, via the rinnnengans of Nagato, at the moment or their mission would be finished.

Mito and Madara were in love from the beginning .Mito was sent as a spy to collect Hashimara cells and secrets.They had a son , Nagato.They created Zetsu.Kyuubi killed Mito and now Madara want to collect all the bijuus to definitely kill them all ( the bijuus ).