Have fun holding on to him and the negative moral it will cost in your dressing room. Oh ya and the extra 5.333 million it will cost you each year over the next 10 years.

I'm sure you guys couldn't use that extra cap space to bring in help you could actual use to compete for the cup.

What I offered was more than anyone else has offered from what I gather in this thread. Forgive me if I'm mistaken.

What you offered was still garbage. We have an alternative to trading him: we can keep him. He's stated he is fine being here, so I trust Luongo's words over yours. Not to mention that he has friends in the lockerroom and is friends with Schneider.

We could use extra cap in the summer when it's easier to use that cap. But with the lack of trading activity during the season it isn't likely that we will be able to use up all that cap space.

But yeah, we'll be in a really tough spot winning the President's trophy once again because both of our goalies provide superb goaltending for us.

Jensen for Kadri is a wash, and I think both teams would prefer their own prospects. That leaves Frattin/Biggs, Franson/Blacker, and a 2nd. All of which do little to nothing for our team now or in the future. They're all throw ins.

Well, for roster players, I wouldn't mind working in players such as Lombardi (cap dump), Connolly (cap dump), MacArthur, or Bozak. With the last 2 having value.

Luongo would not get a 7.5 million cap hit right now. Luongo on a 4 year by 6 mil contract, would have much higher value than his present contract though.

Rinne has the highest cap hit at 7. He's also 4 years younger and coming off a better season. Also, it's likely Nashville overpaid to keep him.

Luongo's contract is in no way a positive. It has a very marginal savings on cap and goes on for way too long.

When Luongo signed the contract it would have been much higher. Also, Rinne's season wasn't that much better than Luongo's at all, yet because he's not a Canuck and he's not named Luongo people give Rinne more credit than he deserves.

Why is he under the impression that the prospects he is throwing in the deal are A prospects.

Frattin is a 4th liner on the Canucks. 3rd if Hansen gets hurt, Kadri is at an all time low in value, Franson is 7-8 on the depth chart and Blacker needs 2-3 seasons before he gets a real shot at breaking into the lineup. The 2nd is nice but we are not rebuilding so it is more useful as at the TDL than the actual draft. Some of the offers are utter garbage for Luongo alone, let alone asking for one of our top prospects.

Jensen for Kadri is a wash, and I think both teams would prefer their own prospects. That leaves Frattin/Biggs, Franson/Blacker, and a 2nd. All of which do little to nothing for our team now or in the future. They're all throw ins.

Jensen for Kadri is hardly a wash. Jensen is 3 years younger and already outproducing Kadri. Looks like he could be a lock for our top 6 as early as next year and a first line winger down the line. Kassian on the other hand I see more as developing into a 2nd line/tweener lucic mould winger which does more for me than the 2nd line/tweener playmaker that I see in Kadri.

Jensen for Kadri is hardly a wash. Jensen is 3 years younger and already outproducing Kadri. Looks like he could be a lock for our top 6 as early as next year and a first line winger down the line. Kassian on the other hand I see more as developing into a 2nd line/tweener lucic mould winger which does more for me than the 2nd line/tweener playmaker that I see in Kadri.

I said we each prefered our own prospects. Didn't want to start a meaningless debate about who's better, as there's no way we add a top prospect on top of Luongo to get anything anyways.

Why is he under the impression that the prospects he is throwing in the deal are A prospects.

Frattin is a 4th liner on the Canucks. 3rd if Hansen gets hurt, Kadri is at an all time low in value, Franson is 7-8 on the depth chart and Blacker needs 2-3 seasons before he gets a real shot at breaking into the lineup. The 2nd is nice but we are not rebuilding so it is more useful as at the TDL than the actual draft. Some of the offers are utter garbage for Luongo alone, let alone asking for one of our top prospects.

Because some fans (I want to stress every fanbase has them) have this perplexing mentality their prospects are exceptionally more valuable than they are. You couple that with the natural response of "try to get the best deal for your team" and it inevitably leads to trash offers.

Just for Luongo and it's decent. Not what I would prefer but decent nonetheless. Once you add anything, let alone our best prospects and it becomes laughable.

A goalie of Luongo's calibre hasn't been traded since...Luongo. We have no idea what the market is like now. Not to mention Luongo is better(and cheaper) than Phaneuf. And yes his term is longer. I doubt Phaneuf goes anywhere, but valuewise I'd think it's fair, and I would do it from a Canucks perspective.

A goalie of Luongo's calibre hasn't been traded since...Luongo. We have no idea what the market is like now. Not to mention Luongo is better(and cheaper) than Phaneuf. And yes his term is longer. I doubt Phaneuf goes anywhere, but valuewise I'd think it's fair, and I would do it from a Canucks perspective.

We have a pretty good idea.

Just take a look at the salary of the top 10 most paid goalie vs the top ten most paid defensemen.

If goalies had more value than other position the laws of market say they would get more $. Its very simple.

Also one of the reason a goalie like Luongo hasnt been traded often could be because they doesn't have enough value to care to trade them.

LOL. It was a vote as to who was the most overrated player in the NHL - with Dion Phaneuf being voted #1.

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Originally Posted by palindrom

In the current NHL market, Defensemen hold more value than Goalie.

It could still change in 5-10 years from now.

Meh, strongly debatable. As your original point seemed to be that Luongo was overrated, as he was voted such by his peers, and that this somehow diminishes his trade value - the fact that Phaneuf was voted even more overrated should diminish his trade value even more.

So given that that goalies hold more trade value than defencemen, but that Phaneuf is more overrated than Luongo (as voted by his peers, thus substantially dropping that value) a Phaneuf for Luongo trade would be fair.