Re: Ban the NFL

Originally Posted by Flatsflyer

I'm sure you feel the same way about how Donald Trump dishonors, disrespects and ignores laws and the people of the United States and other civilized countries. Trump has a history of violating immigration laws related to his Communist Escort, screwing business owners, sticking banks and investors through multiple bankruptcies, being a draft dodger, not disclosing any financial or tax records. Trump has insulted practically every group and 1,000's of individuals since taking office. Trump needs to be impeached, stripped of all his ill gotten gains and then deported.

do you want a congenial old man like santa claus protecting the free world?

War to win , end of nation building, not taking shit from Rocket man are important
POTUS twitter melting snowflakes is not a concern for me, ANTIFA and BAMN are.,

Originally Posted by Fastcar

If that is the case, why didn't you post about it when it first happened in 2016? I'd venture that is because nobody paid any attention to a couple of players kneeling, yourself included, until DA decided he needed some headlines other than Russia and inflamed the issue.

I thought T bow was clown and so did the rest of the NFL eventually

Originally Posted by KathyInAR

Funny thing about freedom...others don't get to tell someone else when, how or where they are "allowed" to exercise their freedoms. Otherwise, the next thing you'd know is that a Jewish person would be being told that they are free to practice their religion, but they have to do it on Sunday morning in a Church of Christ church and the Free Will Baptist will now have to take their worshiping to the local Cathloic church.

nobody is stifling them, in fact they are obviously all confused and inept at getting what the message is supposed to be across. as referenced above the bigger threat to free speech is ANTIFA BAMN and the left generally shushing of ideas they disagree with by use of violence.

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Re: Ban the NFL

Originally Posted by ROOT

do you want a congenial old man like santa claus protecting the free world? I think Teddy Roosevelt said it best when he said, "walk softly and carry a big stick." I want a sane intelligent reasonable person "protecting the free world" and not provoking other leaders of the free world including those who have been our allies for a long, long time.

War to win , end of nation building, not taking shit from Rocket man are importantPOTUS twitter melting snowflakes is not a concern for me, ANTIFA and BAMN are., There has been no indication that DJT is capable of following through with actions that would be sucessful, in fact, just the opposite is true. He goes crazy when anyone disagrees with him. E.g., he wants Congress to repeal Obamacare just for the sake of repealing it without any regard that what replaces it is better or not...all indications is that everything they've come up with would make the problems worse; but, all he can say is "it's really gonna be great" and he has no idea whatsoever that is the case. As far as the idiot in North Korea is concerned, instead of getting down in the sandbox with him and trying to "play Army" he could have acted in a dignified sane manner befitting a POTUS and make it known that his continued actions will not be tolerated, instead of trying to out-idiot him. His ridiculing of everyone and everything that he doesn't like is neither presidential nor worthy of respect. It is DJT's own actions that have brought out the worse in people, and the ANTIFA and BAMN are indeed dangerous and criminal in many of their actions and should be dealt with accordingly; but, to say that DJT's actions are okay because of their actions could just as well be turned around and say that their actions are justified because of his actions...instead what we have is a case of everyone being in the wrong, dangerous and idiotic acting.

I thought T bow was clown and so did the rest of the NFL eventually

nobody is stifling them, in fact they are obviously all confused and inept at getting what the message is supposed to be across. as referenced above the bigger threat to free speech is ANTIFA BAMN and the left generally shushing of ideas they disagree with by use of violence. DJT's whole presidency has had a theme whereby he has advocated "stifling" First Amendment rights. He doesn't like what news agencies are putting out, he suggests they should be shut down, reporters/journalist dismissed/fired, etc. And now he has suggested that people should be fired from their jobs for exercising those rights and private industry entities should be boycotted because he doesn't like their behavior...that goes beyond any authority he has both legally and ethically. What if the minority leaders in Congress or even Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, said that because of the way that DJT insults and belittles people, that all Trump Properties should be boycotted, and that all stores currently selling Trump products should stop selling them, and that all efforts should be made by the public to bankrupt them? That would be just as inappropriate as his current behavior.

IMO, Colin Kaepernick was clear and articulate when he said what he was protesting, it is others--and primarily the POTUS who have misrepresented his intentions and confused people. Now, the displays of "protest" this past weekend are a direct result of DJT's actions, and a protest against his interference where he should not have interfered, and it is having the opposite effect of his intentions as more and more of those who he insisted were "disrespected" are coming out in support of others being free to exercise their Constitutional rights without interference from the White House. All one needs to do is to listen and watch his delivery of the speech in Alabama to understand exactly what he was getting at and that what he was getting at was nothing good. He is a first-class rabble rouser, and hones in on the worse in people and then exploits it for his own entertainment.

And that my friend is my 2-cents worth!

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Re: Ban the NFL

It's extremely difficult if not impossible to change anything when the only people who can vote to make changes are in office because of Gerrymandering, influence peddling, bribes and special interests. Yes I'm talking about Republicans and Conservatives. When 80% of the "total" population wants stronger gun control, what do our elected representatives do? When 3.5 million more voters vote for one candidate rather then the other, what did our Electoral College do? When 85% of the public wanted Trump to release his tax returns, what did Congress fail to do and more important what did Trump refuse to do. When the majority of people want Obama Care to be fixed rather than repealed, what do Republican / Conservative law makers do? Trump has yet to pass any legislation even with control of both Houses, his Presidency has been a failure since day1 and it will continue to fail until he resigns or is impeached. Trump has been in office nine (9) months and has a yet to implement a single one of his campaign promises. Am I missing something, because it looks like Republicans and Conservatives are very proud to display what appears to be IQ's below freezing!

Re: Ban the NFL

Originally Posted by Flatsflyer

It's extremely difficult if not impossible to change anything when the only people who can vote to make changes are in office because of Gerrymandering, influence peddling, bribes and special interests. Yes I'm talking about Republicans and Conservatives. When 80% of the "total" population wants stronger gun control, what do our elected representatives do? When 3.5 million more voters vote for one candidate rather then the other, what did our Electoral College do?

8 YEARS OF OBAMA what did he do?

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Re: Ban the NFL

Is police brutality an inherently American Problem ? What uniquely American Policy represented by old glory is the culprit?

oh Hunter has something to say on this line

Originally Posted by ROOT

and PJW

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The issue isn't whether the protests are for valid reason, done by spoiled brats, or anything else--the issue is that they have an absolute Constitutional right to do so and the POTUS advocates their firing for it and refers to them as "sons-of-bitches. What if members of congress while speaking on the floor of Congress and finding fault with certain of his actions called him a "son-of-bitch, asshole, (fill in he blank w/your favorite derogatory word)" to be entered into the Congressional Record?

Seems Hunter lacks some understanding about what is going on; but, that is ok...he has a First Amendment right to put his lack of comprehension and the spreading of bad info on display for all to see. Was this maybe an audition tape for Fox and Friends?

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Re: Ban the NFL

Originally Posted by KathyInAR

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The issue isn't whether the protests are for valid reason, done by spoiled brats, or anything else--the issue is that they have an absolute Constitutional right to do so and the POTUS advocates their firing for it and refers to them as "sons-of-bitches. What if members of congress while speaking on the floor of Congress and finding fault with certain of his actions called him a "son-of-bitch, asshole, (fill in he blank w/your favorite derogatory word)" to be entered into the Congressional Record?

Does the POTUS lose his right to free speech ? All free expression comes with potential repercussions. It doesn't come with immunity from criticism or rejection. Why should Trump remain silent on his view?

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Re: Ban the NFL

Originally Posted by ROOT

Does the POTUS lose his right to free speech ? All free expression comes with potential repercussions. It doesn't come with immunity from criticism or rejection. Why should Trump remain silent on his view?

He could have certainly said, "It makes me sad to see NFL players knelling, sitting, turning their backs while our National Anthem plays"; "I don't get why NFL players who have enjoyed the opportunity to go to college on scholarships, then be drafted into the NFL and living their dreams can display disrespect when our National Anthem is playing"; or anything else such as that. It is when he said that the NFL should fire them and the fans should boycott the games that he crossed over the line. You or I could say the same, we have the protection of the First Amendment; but sadly, no one cares what we say or think for that matter.

Last edited by KathyInAR; September 28th, 2017 at 07:35 PM.
Reason: I used an analogy that wasn't on point...deleted it.

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Re: Ban the NFL

He could have certainly said, "It makes me sad to see NFL players knelling, sitting, turning their backs while our National Anthem plays"; "I don't get why NFL players who have enjoyed the opportunity to go to college on scholarships, then be drafted into the NFL and living their dreams can display disrespect when our National Anthem is playing"; or anything else such as that. It is when he said that the NFL should fire them and the fans should boycott the games that he crossed over the line. You or I could say the same, we have the protection of the First Amendment; but sadly, no one cares what we say or think for that matter.

No extortion or abuse of official powers, this does not apply

takes or withholds, or offers or threatens to take or withhold, an official act

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Re: Ban the NFL

Originally Posted by ROOT

No extortion or abuse of official powers, this does not apply

...but this one does

(a)Whoever, being a covered government person, with the intent to influence, solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation, an employment decision or employment practice of any private entityŚ
(1)..., or

(2)influences, or offers or threatens to influence, the official act of another,

Now, if indicted and prosecuted, would he be convicted? I don't know, but he has surely broken and mutilated the spirit of this law.

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Re: Ban the NFL

Polls are showing that more people than not believe that DJT was "in the wrong" with his attack on the NFL and its players. People who are paying attention are getting that the protests were not a form of disrespect towards the military, veterans, the flag or the National Anthem but what they are seeing as injustices towards certain of our citizens and then the latest protests are against the POTUS who is disrespecting all Americans.

Also, more people than not believe that he is "not fit to be president" and his approval ratings are dismal and it would seem the only thing he is winning is that he has the lowest approval ratings of any president in the last 70 years...which would also be during practically all of his lifetime.

What about the "disrespect" that is shown that instead of displaying the American Flag where you would expect to see it, you see folks flying the Confederate battle flag instead? These very same fans flying the Confederate battle flag instead of the American Flag are the very ones who are screaming the loudest about others who wish to exercise their First Amendment rights in a protest of what they see as injustice against a particular segment of our citizens. The same "ban" they want to see, could very well set a precedent to take away their rights to fly their Confederate battle flag. NASCAR offered to replace fan's Confederate flags with an American Flag...nope, they opted to keep their Confederate flags over having/flying an American Flag at NASCAR events. Personally, I don't want anyone to have their Constitutional rights taken away, except as prescribed by law when one has been convicted of serious criminal activities.

Last edited by KathyInAR; September 29th, 2017 at 11:03 AM.

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