FTFAMagistrate Barry Cosgrove took into account the circumstances surrounding the offence and recorded no conviction."But you can't take the law into your own hands," Mr Cosgrove said.Moran was given a six month probation order.

FTFAMagistrate Barry Cosgrove took into account the circumstances surrounding the offence and recorded no conviction."But you can't take the law into your own hands," Mr Cosgrove said.Moran was given a six month probation order.

FTFAMagistrate Barry Cosgrove took into account the circumstances surrounding the offence and recorded no conviction."But you can't take the law into your own hands," Mr Cosgrove said.Moran was given a six month probation order.

Once again, where's the father? Doesn't matter because a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.

/and oh yeah. If there was a husband in the household1. Moran could have talked man to man with the father.2. Moran would have had his ass up his head for touching the kid.3. The boy would have a role model and have learned to cope with life without cursing on the top of his lungs in the middle of the night.

MaudlinMutantMollusk:They refer to it as "common assault" because wanting to punch 13 year olds is so common

Back in the days of the founding fathers Moran would have caned the boy, the magistrates would have put him in a pillory, and his mother would have hit him on the head with a thimble for having shamed her publicly.

But back in the 80's, Moran would have been so coked up he wasn't sleeping anyway.

I don't know how I feel about this. Punching was extreme, but the kid sounds like a monster, so...

Kevin72:Once again, where's the father? Doesn't matter because a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.

/and oh yeah. If there was a husband in the household1. Moran could have talked man to man with the father.2. Moran would have had his ass up his head for touching the kid.3. The boy would have a role model and have learned to cope with life without cursing on the top of his lungs in the middle of the night.

You, sir, are a "moran". Seriously, you have no basis for any of that, but keep f'ing that chicken.

The teenager next door told me to "go f*ck myself" once when I politely asked him and his buddies not to play basketball in front of my house at 3 am. I walked right up to his front door, banged on it until I woke his parents, and the dad beat the crap out of him all the way back into the house. It was immensely satisfying, even though I usually hate violence in anything other than my music, video games, horror movies and literature.

Kevin72:Once again, where's the father? Doesn't matter because a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.

/and oh yeah. If there was a husband in the household1. Moran could have talked man to man with the father.2. Moran would have had his ass up his head for touching the kid.3. The boy would have a role model and have learned to cope with life without cursing on the top of his lungs in the middle of the night.

If Mom had learned all she needed to know from you the boy would have been out making sweet passionate love to a chicken.

Kevin72:Once again, where's the father? Doesn't matter because a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.

/and oh yeah. If there was a husband in the household1. Moran could have talked man to man with the father.2. Moran would have had his ass up his head for touching the kid.3. The boy would have a role model and have learned to cope with life without cursing on the top of his lungs in the middle of the night.

You're confusing need for want. Unless you're a single parent, you have no dog in this fight. Any single parent that doesn't wish they had a partner to take care of their kid at least sometimes is a liar. A sane, rational woman would want a good father for their child. The keyword here is good.

But sometimes that doesn't come to pass. Sometimes the woman makes the wrong decisions, sometimes a man makes the wrong decisions. Sometimes they both do. And sometimes neither of them do, but due to circumstances outside their control they end up splitting apart (and sometimes one of the parents even dies).

But you don't seem to care about any of that. Does a woman need a man to help take care of her child? No. Does she want a man to take care of her child? Maybe, maybe not. But I can damn well guarantee the thought has crossed her mind during the really bad days of being a single mother.

But is it worth the cost of having an abusive/alcohol/womanizing/deadbeat/etc. partner? Depends on the woman. Depends on the man. Depends on the child's needs.

In short, try being a single mother before you start in with your moral high horse bullshiat. Those single mothers would gladly trade places with you during the really bad days.

Kevin72:Once again, where's the father? Doesn't matter because a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.

/and oh yeah. If there was a husband in the household1. Moran could have talked man to man with the father.2. Moran would have had his ass up his head for touching the kid.3. The boy would have a role model and have learned to cope with life without cursing on the top of his lungs in the middle of the night.

Weatherkiss:Kevin72: Once again, where's the father? Doesn't matter because a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.

/and oh yeah. If there was a husband in the household1. Moran could have talked man to man with the father.2. Moran would have had his ass up his head for touching the kid.3. The boy would have a role model and have learned to cope with life without cursing on the top of his lungs in the middle of the night.

You're confusing need for want. Unless you're a single parent, you have no dog in this fight. Any single parent that doesn't wish they had a partner to take care of their kid at least sometimes is a liar. A sane, rational woman would want a good father for their child. The keyword here is good.

But sometimes that doesn't come to pass. Sometimes the woman makes the wrong decisions, sometimes a man makes the wrong decisions. Sometimes they both do. And sometimes neither of them do, but due to circumstances outside their control they end up splitting apart (and sometimes one of the parents even dies).

But you don't seem to care about any of that. Does a woman need a man to help take care of her child? No. Does she want a man to take care of her child? Maybe, maybe not. But I can damn well guarantee the thought has crossed her mind during the really bad days of being a single mother.

But is it worth the cost of having an abusive/alcohol/womanizing/deadbeat/etc. partner? Depends on the woman. Depends on the man. Depends on the child's needs.

In short, try being a single mother before you start in with your moral high horse bullshiat. Those single mothers would gladly trade places with you during the really bad days.

Z-clipped:Eeeevry once in a while, it's useful to know how to cause someone a lot of pain without injuring them, or leaving a mark.

This is why you punch him in the stomach and NOT the ribs. Or, alternatively you call the police and keep escalating what you are reporting about the kid until the police come. First, noise complaint. Then the kid is looking in windows. Then he appears to be attempting to break into a house. Then appears to have a weapon and is threatening people.

Kevin72:Once again, where's the father? Doesn't matter because a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.

/and oh yeah. If there was a husband in the household1. Moran could have talked man to man with the father.2. Moran would have had his ass up his head for touching the kid.3. The boy would have a role model and have learned to cope with life without cursing on the top of his lungs in the middle of the night.

You do realize that not all single moms are single moms by choice. In my case, I am a single mom raising a teenager because my husband died. I would give anything to have him back, but I am not going to marry some random guy so my kid has a 'father figure'. That would give her daddy issues for sure. .

Weatherkiss:Kevin72: Once again, where's the father? Doesn't matter because a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.

/and oh yeah. If there was a husband in the household1. Moran could have talked man to man with the father.2. Moran would have had his ass up his head for touching the kid.3. The boy would have a role model and have learned to cope with life without cursing on the top of his lungs in the middle of the night.

You're confusing need for want. Unless you're a single parent, you have no dog in this fight. Any single parent that doesn't wish they had a partner to take care of their kid at least sometimes is a liar. A sane, rational woman would want a good father for their child. The keyword here is good.

But sometimes that doesn't come to pass. Sometimes the woman makes the wrong decisions, sometimes a man makes the wrong decisions. Sometimes they both do. And sometimes neither of them do, but due to circumstances outside their control they end up splitting apart (and sometimes one of the parents even dies).

But you don't seem to care about any of that. Does a woman need a man to help take care of her child? No. Does she want a man to take care of her child? Maybe, maybe not. But I can damn well guarantee the thought has crossed her mind during the really bad days of being a single mother.

But is it worth the cost of having an abusive/alcohol/womanizing/deadbeat/etc. partner? Depends on the woman. Depends on the man. Depends on the child's needs.

In short, try being a single mother before you start in with your moral high horse bullshiat. Those single mothers would gladly trade places with you during the really bad days.

Thank you. But please include us single fathers in your equations. It's not quite as hard as being a single mother, but IT IS A biatch (actually, 'was'). But I managed, and the little monsters came out quite well, thank you.

i lived with a group of kids that were real mouthy punks doing everything from weed to heroin all in their teens. I once cleared the street with a shotgun and had to show the cops a gluing clamp to get out of going to jail. The cops knew the situation but there was little they could do legally. One of the things I learned from it is feeling of emasculation and my hurt ego that some child could mock me. I got over it and never hurt anyone. My best advice was from a priest who said" they will get their license's and move, get on with your life.

Director_Mr:Z-clipped: Eeeevry once in a while, it's useful to know how to cause someone a lot of pain without injuring them, or leaving a mark.

This is why you punch him in the stomach and NOT the ribs. Or, alternatively you call the police and keep escalating what you are reporting about the kid until the police come. First, noise complaint. Then the kid is looking in windows. Then he appears to be attempting to break into a house. Then appears to have a weapon and is threatening people.

I was thinking more of a wrist lock and two fingers jammed in his mastoid while slowly and methodically explaining the concept of "quiet hours". Keep him in enough pain to make him cry, but not so loudly that he can't hear you talking.

Director_Mr:Z-clipped: Eeeevry once in a while, it's useful to know how to cause someone a lot of pain without injuring them, or leaving a mark.

This is why you punch him in the stomach and NOT the ribs. Or, alternatively you call the police and keep escalating what you are reporting about the kid until the police come. First, noise complaint. Then the kid is looking in windows. Then he appears to be attempting to break into a house. Then appears to have a weapon and is threatening people.

He could have ended it that night. He should have called the police and reported that he thinks somebody is being beaten next door. If the kid was yelling loud enough that he could hear him in his house then the he could have held the phone near a window so that the 911 operator could have heard him also. If he is in a decent enough area then the police would respond fast enough that when they got to the house they would hear the kid yelling and cursing. And from here two things could happen. 1, the police feel that there is a dangerous situation that they have to forcibly enter the house. Or two they pound and pound on the door until the mother wakes up. If one happens that should scare the living shiat out of the kid and keep him quite for a while. But either way after you call and report that somebody is in danger and they hear all of the yelling and cursing that the kid was doing, that family is going to be in for a long night of question and they won't be left alone by children services for a while.

I'm a 50 year old product of a single mother. That makes me old enough to remember when Bastard wasn't a derogatory term, but one used to describe a kid with no father. That changed around 1966 - was that the beginning of pc?

One thing I've noticed about single Moms, and my Mom included - it's always about them. They have a hard time being a single Mom. They don't think it's right to have to marry some run of the mill guy to give their child a Father figure.

You know what? The are right. They shouldn't have to do that, but if this is what they choose - man up ladies. It's a lot of fun doing the mommy thing when the kids are young and soaking up all the sympathy for being brave when all you have to do is plunk the kid in front of the TV. Single Moms have an easy time of it when the crotch goblins are young. Funny thing happens when kids get older and become teenagers, they get a mouth and have no sense of consequence. Dads develop this sense and if they aren't around, you better do it. What usually happens is the kids get the run of the house and do whatever they want; it's almost like a Moms nurturing process stops when she doesn't have to actively care for a child's basic needs - and that's at about the teenage years.

This man got tired of the crap and walked over to actively father this child. I'm glad the judge saw this - the Mom should go over and thank him. Although TFA states the guy had a partner probably limits the choice of thanks, maybe a fabulous casserole dish is in order.

I've lived next door to some shiatty teenagers that mom either couldn't control or didn't give a fark about. I learned then that the cops don't give a fark about unruly kids either.Long story short, I butchered the whole family and pinned it on a drifter.