Ortiz apparantly is loaded with "goodness and purity" which is why he gets away with saying a four letter word to a packed house ( with children in attendence), not only does he escape unscathed , he gets praised for it.

Get out the video cameras for Youtube, I want to see the video of 25 Red Sox players ( and all the guys in the minors too!) as they walk on water for us and cure the sick with a wave of their hands.

"Purity, salvation and goodness"...please, what fantasy world do you live in?.....Dorothy, you are still in Kansas and it was all a dream. Please, wake up and smell the coffee.

I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it.- Mitch Hedberg.

No....cheaters win all the time, that's why they cheat. I'm not just talking about baseball I'm talking about life. We all cheat in some way. Maybe you cheat by breaking the traffic laws by passing a guy in the right lane to get home from work early, or perhaps you cheat on your girl friend...or maybe you cheat someone out of a life. We are all cheaters.

If ARod is nailed, it's a break for the Yankees because they can for awhile stop paying his ridiculous salary.

Use of PED's has been too widespread for any team to claim they alone have abstained from their use. It's better now, but never underestimate the ability of science to circumvent tests, etc. because MLB salaries are so huge and the temptation so great.

If ARod is nailed, it's a break for the Yankees because they can for awhile stop paying his ridiculous salary.

Use of PED's has been too widespread for any team to claim they alone have abstained from their use. It's better now, but never underestimate the ability of science to circumvent tests, etc. because MLB salaries are so huge and the temptation so great.

can they?

Can anyone find a link on the rules? I'm going to start digging myself, but i thought as long as he doesn't retire, or is deemed unable to perform by a doctor....he gets paid.

Well, assuming that the biogenesis list encompasses an accurate sample of all the baseball players who are cheaters, it tells me that no red sox player has ever used performance enhancing drugs.

FREE BIG PAPI!

That's quite an assumption, especially when you consider the estimates of those doing it were 80% back in the 90s and 40% now. I guess all the other clinics over the decades, and similar establishments, especially in the DR, never existed. Also, it appears you forgot Manny, Mo Vaughn, the banned clubhouse guys, and the whispers regarding Nomar, Bagwell & Lowell.

Well, assuming that the biogenesis list encompasses an accurate sample of all the baseball players who are cheaters, it tells me that no red sox player has ever used performance enhancing drugs.

FREE BIG PAPI!

That's quite an assumption, especially when you consider the estimates of those doing it were 80% back in the 90s and 40% now. I guess all the other clinics over the decades, and similar establishments, especially in the DR, never existed. Also, it appears you forgot Manny, Mo Vaughn, the banned clubhouse guys, and the whispers regarding Nomar, Bagwell & Lowell.

Well, assuming that the biogenesis list encompasses an accurate sample of all the baseball players who are cheaters, it tells me that no red sox player has ever used performance enhancing drugs.

FREE BIG PAPI!

That's quite an assumption; I guess all the other clinics over the decades, and similar establishments, especially in the DR, never existed. Also, it appears you forgot Manny, Mo Vaughn, the banned clubhouse guys, and the whispers regarding Nomar, Bagwell & Lowell.

Isn't this all just about this one Clinic? I mean if some guy got busted for selling crack on the corner of third and deleware and the police arrested all of his buyers....they wouldn't just give up the drug war and assume no other people are doing it.

I'm sure there is a similiar situation going on elsewhere in the world right now with connections to MLB.

Also I'm curious to see what specific drug every player caught every took. The irony is many of the substances considered PED's don't really work. Kind of a dark thought to imagine some guy not getting into the HOF because he took a bottle of pills that mine as well of been sugar pills.

Well, assuming that the biogenesis list encompasses an accurate sample of all the baseball players who are cheaters, it tells me that no red sox player has ever used performance enhancing drugs.

FREE BIG PAPI!

That's quite an assumption, especially when you consider the estimates of those doing it were 80% back in the 90s and 40% now. I guess all the other clinics over the decades, and similar establishments, especially in the DR, never existed. Also, it appears you forgot Manny, Mo Vaughn, the banned clubhouse guys, and the whispers regarding Nomar, Bagwell & Lowell.

Well, I suppose my faulty assumption was that I assumed that the ludicrous nature of the tongue-firmly-in-cheek 'assumption' in my post would not be taken seriously. I assumed that the opposite conclusion was inherent in my tone. Tone is often difficult to pick up in text when written by hacks like me. Apologies Steven. Full disclosure: I think many Red Sox have cheated ... and I do not believe David Ortiz is imprisoned.

Well, assuming that the biogenesis list encompasses an accurate sample of all the baseball players who are cheaters, it tells me that no red sox player has ever used performance enhancing drugs.

FREE BIG PAPI!

That's quite an assumption, especially when you consider the estimates of those doing it were 80% back in the 90s and 40% now. I guess all the other clinics over the decades, and similar establishments, especially in the DR, never existed. Also, it appears you forgot Manny, Mo Vaughn, the banned clubhouse guys, and the whispers regarding Nomar, Bagwell & Lowell.

Well, I suppose my faulty assumption was that I assumed that the ludicrous nature of the tongue-firmly-in-cheek 'assumption' in my post would not be taken seriously. I assumed that the opposite conclusion was inherent in my tone. Tone is often difficult to pick up in text when written by hacks like me. Apologies Steven. Full disclosure: I think many Red Sox have cheated ... and I do not believe David Ortiz is imprisoned.

Ortiz apparantly is loaded with "goodness and purity" which is why he gets away with saying a four letter word to a packed house ( with children in attendence), not only does he escape unscathed , he gets praised for it.

Get out the video cameras for Youtube, I want to see the video of 25 Red Sox players ( and all the guys in the minors too!) as they walk on water for us and cure the sick with a wave of their hands.

"Purity, salvation and goodness"...please, what fantasy world do you live in?.....Dorothy, you are still in Kansas and it was all a dream. Please, wake up and smell the coffee.

I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it.- Mitch Hedberg.

If ARod is nailed, it's a break for the Yankees because they can for awhile stop paying his ridiculous salary.

Use of PED's has been too widespread for any team to claim they alone have abstained from their use. It's better now, but never underestimate the ability of science to circumvent tests, etc. because MLB salaries are so huge and the temptation so great.

can they?

Can anyone find a link on the rules? I'm going to start digging myself, but i thought as long as he doesn't retire, or is deemed unable to perform by a doctor....he gets paid.

Thats what I thought too. In fact, I remember reading that the Yankees were going to try to find a way to void the rest of his contract because of the PEDS. Not sure that went anywhere. The best possible scenario for Sox fans is if ACLOD is allowed to return to the Yankee roster but is ineffective, utterly, and they are forced to pay the rest of his entire contract.