The Chacabuco Plant triplicates its freezing capacity reaching 110 metric tons per day. Its cleaning and freezing lines are automated and production of Coho Salmon with an added value is initiated, inaugurating three lines of vacuum packaging.Thee new additional salmon farming centers are inaugurated in Region XI.PESCANOVA open commercial offices in Miami, USA, and PESCA CHILE becomes its main supplier for Salmon, Chilean Sea bass, Golden Kingklip, Southern Stone Crab, Orange Roughy and Australis Hake.PESCA CHILE certifies all its Punta Arenas plant installations and process for initiating export of its products to the European Union and the United States.Cryogenic freezing for processed seafood in incorporated at the Punta Arenas plant

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Three new salmon farming centers are opened in Tierra del Fuego, becoming this the southernmost farming center in the world.

THe only thing I can tell you is "maquina" is machine in spanish. I cannot make anything else. I can help you translate if you can find what it says.

ANother thing, from what I understand the fish in the preview is flat fish or Flounder. If you translate to spanish is called "lenguado". So I am trying, without result, to find any place in Chile were they this fish are grown.

maybe one of them is one of those things that the teams just have to do in order to get their next clue

Maybe but it seems like a lot :lol:. The compass's makes sense for the clue: clue at the pitstop so I guess they all have to make the signs like someone pointed out the paint on the BQ's hand and jacket.

In addition, I have discovered that the Rio Maipo, which originates in Argentina, comes through an opening in the Andes, and goes right through a southern suburb of Santiago, is a candidate. An embarkation point is El Melcoton in El Cajon del Maipo. The waters look too brown to me to be the right place. The Rio Yeso, which originates in the same general area, has much bluer water, but I haven't tracked its whitewater activity yet.

As scoop0 says, the blue in the Futafeulu looks much like the blue we see in the snap of what we now know to be Episode 3 rafting. However, the time to get in and out of there still is a total stumbling block.

the proximity of Rio Puelo and Rio Manso to Puerto Montt make them a good possibility. Due to the Rio Manso being Class V, the Rio Puelo appears to be the most likely of all the above rivers if it has a blue or turquosie color.

scoop0, you have special insight into that area. Do you know anythign about Rio Puelo?

Watch as the emerald Nordenskjold Lake at the base of the mountains pours through roaring Salto Grande (“Grand Waterfall”) into Pehoé Lake, a grand lake in its own right and a great spot to study the Cuernos del Paine (“Horns of Paine”). Drive along the bank of the lake to Salto Chico (“Little Waterfall); stroll through an old lenga forest; enjoy a picnic watching giant chunks of ice, pieces of the nearby Grey Glacier, drift along the Grey Lake. If times allows, visit Amarga Lagoon for yet another breathtaking view of the park’s iconographic Torres del Paine.

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The small channel between Nordenskjold Lake and Pehoe Lake. The two lakes are at different altitude and the channel forms this little but very impressive waterfall, Salto Grande.

Maybe this is where they go white water rafting? In Torres del Paine National Park?

The flights into Puerto Montt are no problem, but giong on to Chaitan would be. They only have a single airstrip there that can accommodate planes carrying up to 12 passengers give or take a few. They also have strict weight limits. The planes are always full with rafters, sport fishermen and avid climbers. The Chaitan airport is frequently socked in with fog and people may or may not get there on a specific day. In addition, the drive from Chaitan to the put-in takes about 3 hours.

Also, one rafting company owns the land around Rio Futaleufu and allows only a couple other outfitters to raft there. It's a class 5+ river and you have to pass a fairly rigorous test to be able to go down the river. All these things point to them not rafting there, as it would take well over a day just to get there, not to mention everything involved with actually being on the river.

However, the vid cap looked eerily like the "Fu", with its aqua color (coming from the copper in the mountains). There aren't many rivers that are that color - most are brownish.

That being said - I wish they were going there. It is absolutlely one of the most beautiful places I've ever seen and the rafting is the best ever. I'm looking forward to seeing where it actually is (so I can raft there too!)

Thanks for letting me give my $0.02. :js:

If Puerto Montt is where the racers enter Patagonia, the Volcano Osorno area is certainly in play again, as we come full circle back to the intro flash vidcap search. I kinda figured the rafting was in S.A., and now I see how it can be tied in with the Punta Arenas spoiler. :yess:

This will be a follow-up on my post from yesterday speculating on the routes to be used for legs 2, 3, and 4. This is going to have a lot of detail in airline schedules, so if that bores you tune out. For leg 2 from Quito to each of the three Atacama desert cities, there are these possibilities for flying, all but two involving an overnight flight from Quito through Santiago:

If I'm reading the Ep. 3 thread correctly, this is speculated to be the 2nd part of a TBC? Seems unlikely, but if true, then the spoiled order of eliminated teams could be wrong. Just hoping that the Rob/Amber not getting out of SA still holds.

Is it possible that the two detour choices here are the flounder and the rock climb, and the roadblock is the white water rafting? Looking at this image, doesn't it seem like Danielle is holding a clue with something yellow on it? (Credit to whoever originially posted it. :lol:)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/13Feb0014.jpg)

But then again, that could just be the envelope. Although why did Eric take off his jacket, if maybe to help/jump afterwards, kind of like what happened in the "By Machine (?)" detour from Ep. 2. Or maybe he just took of his jacket because of the heat.

..and yellow clue means detour :tup:. I'm sold Chateau :jam:cripes am I going to have to move everything again :groan:(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11520.0;attach=21512;image)

PUDDIN, don't be so quick to act on that. That's because there is a fifth activity that we already know about in the USHUAIA area, the zodiac boats that should have to be part of a TBC leg. Also, what do the teams do after the zodiac boats on Nov. 26 and before the pitstop late on Nov. 27? Finally, why wouldn't whitewater rafting and rock climbing be alternate detours in the Puerto Montt area?

The first two legs of AR11 have been about airplane flights and long stretches of driving, with very few ROADBLOCKS and DETOURS. It's about time that we have an episode with some action. I believe that episode 3 is that episode without being a double leg, but i guess we'll see.

The probability that whitewater rafting is somewhere near PUERTO MONTT has gone way up. This also means that the waterfall is probably the Rio Petrohue and the Volcano is Osorno, both in the vicinity of Puerto Montt. I am going to guess that the alternate DETOUR to whitewater rafting is ROCK CLIMBING, so teams do not have to do both.

The most logical flights into and out of Puerto Montt given tthe context of the race are:

Depart Calama on LAN 355/391 to SCL 1910 to 2105

Depart SCL to PMC on LAN 261 2355 to 0135

I assume that the activities in the Puerto Montt area will take all morning and maybe part of the afternoon.

Would this work? The Rio Azul link (http://www.exchile.com/guideupper.html)

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The Tres Monjas mountain looms over the valley to river left. On river right, the turquoise water of the Rio Azul flows from the ice-capped glaciated peaks that form at its headwaters. An inviting white sandy beach marks the entrance of ClubFuta at Campo Tres Monjas.

The Río Azul (Rafting, Kayaking, Fly- Fishing, trekking) This river runs into the Futaleufu on river right shore next to our camp. This glacier-fed river can range between 600 to 2000 cfs, depending on rain and snowmelt in the mountains. This is a great warm-up for the Class 3/4 kayaking trips. The Azul is a great alternate river for when the Futaleufu is too high. Technical and defined, the Río Azul takes its name from the aquamarine colored water. This is great fish habitat for the native rainbow trout.

Would this work? The Rio Azul link (http://www.exchile.com/guideupper.html)

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The Tres Monjas mountain looms over the valley to river left. On river right, the turquoise water of the Rio Azul flows from the ice-capped glaciated peaks that form at its headwaters. An inviting white sandy beach marks the entrance of ClubFuta at Campo Tres Monjas.

The Río Azul (Rafting, Kayaking, Fly- Fishing, trekking) This river runs into the Futaleufu on river right shore next to our camp. This glacier-fed river can range between 600 to 2000 cfs, depending on rain and snowmelt in the mountains. This is a great warm-up for the Class 3/4 kayaking trips. The Azul is a great alternate river for when the Futaleufu is too high. Technical and defined, the Río Azul takes its name from the aquamarine colored water. This is great fish habitat for the native rainbow trout.

PEACH, not any better than Rio Futaleufu. the problem is that you need to fly into CHAITEN with small plane and take vehicles to get to the RIo Azul. If we didn't know the timing of when teams need to be in PUNTA ARENAS, then it would be no problem. However, we do know when certain teams were photographed in PUNTA ARENAS so there can be no side trips that are too long. By the time the San Pedro de Atacama pit stop is over it's already the late evening on 11/23. We know they have to be in PUNTA ARENAS by late afternoon on 11/25.

Well I was a laying in bed thinking that maybe its not a TBC with the clue ..Pitstop. Guess we wait for the promo.** At the pitstop, one team's joy turns to shock when Phil tells them that they did not get one of their clues and they have to go back to retrieve it. Is this the end of their race?

Just to muddy up the waters let me throw this one out. Perhaps not a TBC, but this is an early NEL with a Yield. Rob and Amber are yielded and then end up last on the mat. If TPTB follow practice from last TAR, then Romber would have to finish first in leg 4 or be eliminated. Which they are. This keeps the number of programs in balance for the finish on May 13.

Just a wild idea as I look at the wild blue waters of the rafting bit as posted by Peach.

And this company does river rafting and climbing (http://www.inkas.com/tours/chile/petrohue_excursions.html)...

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Approximately 4 km. from Petrohué there is a natural climbing wall of basalt rock situated right next to the Petrohué River. The wall offers many sport climbing routes with different levels of difficulty. After your introduction to the wall, the technical equipment and safety climbing instructions, our goal is trying the various routes on the wall.

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At Fox Canyon we meet our first extreme challenge. We will cross the canyon using a zip-line that extends approximately 330 feet or 100 meters, moving through the tree tops to the other side. This is an experience you will never forget! Afterwards we will recuperate our energy alongside a lava flow which teaches about the stages of a volcanic eruption.

After a short rest, we will climb the eastern wall of the canyon and hike through a landscape abundant with native bird life. We will then brief you on safetly and the use of equipment before rapelling down a canyon surrounded by moss-covered vines toward the Petrohué River. A short walk takes us to our last challenge: kayaks. After paddling upriver to the beach of Petrohué we we will enjoy refreshments and snacks on the beach while sharing our vivid impressions of the day.

;D OK, let's all stop for a second and take a deep breath, so we can see where we are heading. :lol: Here's the "big picture" view of upcoming spoiler locations in Patagonia. Given Puerto Montt is over 850 miles from Punta Arena, it does look like a TBC in Chile/Argentina is likely. Ushualia is only 160 miles from Punta Arena, BTW.

;D OK, let's all stop for a second and take a deep breath, so we can see where we are heading. :lol: Here's the "big picture" view of upcoming spoiler locations in Patagonia. Given Puerto Montt is over 850 miles from Punta Arena, it does look like a TBC in Chile/Argentina is likely. Ushualia is only 160 miles from Punta Arena, BTW.

Is it possible that the two detour choices here are the flounder and the rock climb, and the roadblock is the white water rafting? Looking at this image, doesn't it seem like Danielle is holding a clue with something yellow on it? (Credit to whoever originially posted it. :lol:)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/13Feb0014.jpg)

But then again, that could just be the envelope. Although why did Eric take off his jacket, if maybe to help/jump afterwards, kind of like what happened in the "By Machine (?)" detour from Ep. 2. Or maybe he just took of his jacket because of the heat.

Just my rambling/speculations. ;D

HAKUSHU8, it was a variant of this picture that some weeks ago led me to conclude and state on the main spoilers thread that PUNTA ARENAS would be pit stop # 3. Note the Strait of Magellan behind Eric and Danielle.

;D OK, let's all stop for a second and take a deep breath, so we can see where we are heading. :lol: Here's the "big picture" view of upcoming spoiler locations in Patagonia. Given Puerto Montt is over 850 miles from Punta Arena, it does look like a TBC in Chile/Argentina is likely. Ushualia is only 160 miles from Punta Arena, BTW.

B:) OK, times up, back to racing, err.... I mean spoiling. ;)

Maybe PA is just a seperate leg?

I am now considering the possibility of 5 South America legs. #3 at Puerto Montt, #4 at Punta Arenas and #5 at Ushuaia. This occurs to me because of the wealth of activities that appear to happen around Puerto Montt, elevating that to its own short leg(although there is 1000 miles of flying to get there). Also, the statement that there were ultimately 5 teams in Sequesterville - Acapulco has bothered me, because I just don't believe they would bring someone back from Mozambique to Mexico. Having all South America eliminations at Acapulco makes more sense to me.

The ramshackle appearance of the fish farm is bugging me a little. It doesn't look like a profit place, so I'm searching schools now. Here's a construction picture (http://www.hesy.com/igallery34/viewphoto.asp?i=DSC00011.JPG&f=fish+farms&sh=900&sw=1440); the photo caption states that the PM fish farm (Instituto Araucana) didn't become operational until August 2006 (you can go to the Hesy (http://www.hesy.com/igallery34/igallery.asp) site and search the galleries for other Chile photos). And the Austral University (http://www.uach.cl/acuicultura/pmtt.htm) also has a PM "acuicultura" place, but the photo doesn't look like a match.

Just to muddy up the waters let me throw this one out. Perhaps not a TBC, but this is an early NEL with a Yield. Rob and Amber are yielded and then end up last on the mat. If TPTB follow practice from last TAR, then Romber would have to finish first in leg 4 or be eliminated. Which they are. This keeps the number of programs in balance for the finish on May 13.

Just a wild idea as I look at the wild blue waters of the rafting bit as posted by Peach.

GMAN, you haven't got the MARKED FOR ELIMINATION concept quite right. If Rob and Amber finish last in a NEL leg, then they have to finish first or suffer a 30 minute penalty. They are not automatically eliminated, but with the design of the legs in AR10 was that in 2 of 3 cases (exception was when David and Mary lucked out with the Fast Forward due to fake-out assistance from the Chos) it was almost impossible to overcome the 30 minutes penalty and David and Mary (2nd time) and Dustin and Kandice (Barcelona) were eliminated by it.

The ramshackle appearance of the fish farm is bugging me a little. It doesn't look like a profit place, so I'm searching schools now. Here's a construction picture (http://www.hesy.com/igallery34/viewphoto.asp?i=DSC00011.JPG&f=fish+farms&sh=900&sw=1440); the photo caption states that the PM fish farm (Instituto Araucana) didn't become operational until August 2006 (you can go to the Hesy (http://www.hesy.com/igallery34/igallery.asp) site and search the galleries for other Chile photos). And the Austral University (http://www.uach.cl/acuicultura/pmtt.htm) also has a PM "acuicultura" place, but the photo doesn't look like a match.

:lol: I was scanning all over the coastline of Puerto Montt with Google Earth looking for those "pipes" (or whatever they were, and the building with the dormers) but couldn't find anything that matched. This area is known for salmon farms, so why the "flounders"? Maybe Pacific Salmon would put up too much of a fight being lifted by hand. ;)

(ETA: Looks like Puerto Montt has "food courts" at their malls just like we do. :rotf: Yumm yumm, those DoggiS sure look good!)

;D OK, let's all stop for a second and take a deep breath, so we can see where we are heading. :lol: Here's the "big picture" view of upcoming spoiler locations in Patagonia. Given Puerto Montt is over 850 miles from Punta Arena, it does look like a TBC in Chile/Argentina is likely. Ushualia is only 160 miles from Punta Arena, BTW.

B:) OK, times up, back to racing, err.... I mean spoiling. ;)

Maybe PA is just a seperate leg?

I am now considering the possibility of 5 South America legs. #3 at Puerto Montt, #4 at Punta Arenas and #5 at Ushuaia. This occurs to me because of the wealth of activities that appear to happen around Puerto Montt, elevating that to its own short leg(although there is 1000 miles of flying to get there). Also, the statement that there were ultimately 5 teams in Sequesterville - Acapulco has bothered me, because I just don't believe they would bring someone back from Mozambique to Mexico. Having all South America eliminations at Acapulco makes more sense to me.

Having a two-to-three-week vacation in Acapulco ain't all that bad! Great clubs, great restaurants, great beach, etc. just too many people! What a change from 1963 when I was first there.

The ramshackle appearance of the fish farm is bugging me a little. It doesn't look like a profit place, so I'm searching schools now. Here's a construction picture (http://www.hesy.com/igallery34/viewphoto.asp?i=DSC00011.JPG&f=fish+farms&sh=900&sw=1440); the photo caption states that the PM fish farm (Instituto Araucana) didn't become operational until August 2006 (you can go to the Hesy (http://www.hesy.com/igallery34/igallery.asp) site and search the galleries for other Chile photos). And the Austral University (http://www.uach.cl/acuicultura/pmtt.htm) also has a PM "acuicultura" place, but the photo doesn't look like a match.

I agree that it looks like new construction too. I've sent out a couple of "fishing" emails to Puerto Montt--so will hope I "catch" something!

PEACH, nothing changes until we see that Episode 3 ends with in Puerto Montt. However, that is looking probable at this point. The implications for Europe are zilch. The implications for Africa are that there is no room for two Africa episodes if we have 5 in South America unless Hong Kong and Macau are a combined episode (which they could be instead of separate episodes). With whitewater rafting covered, the need to go to Kenya vanishes. My most probable scenario is Maputo, then either Dar-es-Salaam or Zanzibar(pick-em at this point).

"Whitewater rafting on the Petrohue River is a Class III adrenaline rush through 12 kilometers of pristine river, forests, waterfalls and volcanos."

Google Earth shows that it begins at the town of Petrohue at the exit of Lago Todos de Santo underneath Volcano Osorno at 41 degrees 08' 07.55" S and 72 degrees 23' 49.77" W. It ends into Rio Cochamo at 41 degrees 23' 04.91" S and 72 degrees 18' 28.17" W.

The interesting falls and most likely rafting area is the upper third of the river.

apskip: Just to let you know, you can save a lot of time and trouble posting the longitude/latitude of Google Earth locations, simply by creating ("save as") and attaching a .kmz file in GE (like I just did). That way the reader only has to click on the link, select "open", and GE will open the "associated" file to that location automatically. Cool stuff. ;)

BOINGO, I've never understood what to do with .kmz files until now. One more little addition to my array of resources. This is not a word I tend to use a lot, but nothing else really fits: COOL and thanks!

No luck finding the 40 foot rock climb but this looks (http://travel.webshots.com/photo/1104192649013802772qnbqJI?vhost=travel) like fun! No idea if you could climb it though :angel:(http://thumb12.webshots.net/s/thumb4/9/26/49/104192649qnbqJI_th.jpg) (http://travel.webshots.com/photo/1104192649013802772qnbqJI)

Another possibilty would be in and around Chaiten (3 hours by bus from Puerto Montt (or a 25minute charter air trip) Rafting in the Rio Fotaleufu and Rock climbing on the Torre de los Vientos (Tower of the winds)

I've been up and down the Lake District Gman with no luck ..I was leaning towards Puerto Octay, Osorno and of course Puerto Montt.

I think the detour is first, as we see the teams bunched somewhat then the Roadblock but, I can't help but to wonder what the clue was missed per webclues? Was it something to do with the detour or the roadblock? I wonder how far back they have to go? or did they do what teams have done in the past..see Phil at the Pitstop before knowing the last task and that confused them? ...with Phil sending them back to complete the task of course.

** At the pitstop, one team's joy turns to shock when Phil tells them that they did not get one of their clues and they have to go back to retrieve it. Is this the end of their race?

Wow - everyone here does such an amazing job with the research - I'm glad I could help a little.

I've only rafted the Fu down there, but the couple places you've narrowed it down to look spot-on. I tried e-mailing my former river guides down there to find out more info, but I'm just getting auto replies that they're all on the river. Oh, well, I tried. :'(

One thing I did notice was that in the preview when Teri is arguing at the airport counter, it's definitely NOT in Puerto Montt which has a solid wall behind the ticketing agents.

;D OK, let's all stop for a second and take a deep breath, so we can see where we are heading. :lol: Here's the "big picture" view of upcoming spoiler locations in Patagonia. Given Puerto Montt is over 850 miles from Punta Arena, it does look like a TBC in Chile/Argentina is likely. Ushualia is only 160 miles from Punta Arena, BTW.

B:) OK, times up, back to racing, err.... I mean spoiling. ;)

Maybe PA is just a seperate leg?

I am now considering the possibility of 5 South America legs. #3 at Puerto Montt, #4 at Punta Arenas and #5 at Ushuaia. This occurs to me because of the wealth of activities that appear to happen around Puerto Montt, elevating that to its own short leg(although there is 1000 miles of flying to get there). Also, the statement that there were ultimately 5 teams in Sequesterville - Acapulco has bothered me, because I just don't believe they would bring someone back from Mozambique to Mexico. Having all South America eliminations at Acapulco makes more sense to me.

Having a two-to-three-week vacation in Acapulco ain't all that bad! Great clubs, great restaurants, great beach, etc. just too many people! What a change from 1963 when I was first there.

GMAN, my only trip to Acapulco was in 1976. It was a very trendy resort then, but not overblown. I went to a sleepy little village called Zihuatenejo to seen the construction for Ixtapa, which had just started. The daily cliff diving demonstrations were the highlight in Acapulco.

BOINGO, I want to clarify your statement that "Ushuaia is only 160 miles from Punta Arenas." That's as the crow or airlplane flies and unfortunately there is no scheduled air service from Punta Arenas to Ushuaia on Sundays(Nov. 26). The alternative by water is over 300 miles and would take 1.5 days minimum. The alternative by land takes express buses 11 3/4 hours including the 2.5 hour ferry crossing to Porvenir. It's a long, winding rough road from Porvenir though Tierra del Fuego Island.

Wow - everyone here does such an amazing job with the research - I'm glad I could help a little.

I've only rafted the Fu down there, but the couple places you've narrowed it down to look spot-on. I tried e-mailing my former river guides down there to find out more info, but I'm just getting auto replies that they're all on the river. Oh, well, I tried. :'(

One thing I did notice was that in the preview when Teri is arguing at the airport counter, it's definitely NOT in Puerto Montt which has a solid wall behind the ticketing agents.

scoop0, I would expect the Teri scene to be at the Calama or Santiago airport, both of which have to be passed through to get to Puerto Montt.

TEAMS MUST COMPLETE A TWO AND A HALF-MILE WHITE WATER RAFTING COURSE THROUGH RAGING RAPIDS, THROWING ONE RACER TO THE WILD RIVER AS THEIR TEAMMATE WATCHES HELPLESSLY, ON "THE AMAZING RACE: ALL-STARS," SUNDAY, MARCH 4, 8:00-9:00 PM ET/PT

"I'm Sorry I'm Wearing A Bathing Suit. It Is Very Weird, I Know" -- At the Pit Stop, one Team's joy turns to shock when Phil tells them that they did not get one of their clues and they must have them all before checking in, on THE AMAZING RACE: ALL-STARS, Sunday, March 4 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.

2. Puerto Montt is half of a one hour episode shared with Punta Arenas.

3. Puerto Montt is half of a double leg that will end with a pit stop in the Punta Arenas area.

One piece of data that we have is the first 5 teams all going to Sequesterville- Acapulco, which is an argument for having 5 South American pit stops and a vote for #1 above.

A second piece of data is scepticism that Amazing Race producers will go 5 difficult episodes without a NEL to slow things down a little. That would be most consistent with #1 or #2. although #3 is not impossible in that scenario.

Hi I'm new around here...okay, I've been lurking for a couple of seasons now....

I have a couple questions about the fish that is supposedly flounder ???

On page 4 I think reply #84...Puddin posted a new episode teaser...

A. Why is the fish that Mirna has that, I think she says "won't hurt her anymore" white and without it's dark skin. It looks like he's flapping his mouth while he doesn't have any skin on him. Are they going to have to eat the fish they catch...and raw at that? :o

and B....The clip right after Mirna's clip, Eric is telling Danielle that she's gotta get her B____. It doesn't sound like he is saying "box". So that leads me to ask if they truly are flounder or the "B" word is the kind of flounder they are or maybe they are some kind of fish starting with "B". It almost sounds like get your Bucs or Bugs, it doesn't sound like box.

Finally there was a squiggly one eyed thing on a plate/pan in a freeze frame on an earlier page that someone asked what it was...that looks like a squid, although I don't know if they are in an area where squid exists. He looked raw, too.

2. Puerto Montt is half of a one hour episode shared with Punta Arenas.

3. Puerto Montt is half of a double leg that will end with a pit stop in the Punta Arenas area.

One piece of data that we have is the first 5 teams all going to Sequesterville- Acapulco, which is an argument for having 5 South American pit stops and a vote for #1 above.

A second piece of data is scepticism that Amazing Race producers will go 5 difficult episodes without a NEL to slow things down a little. That would be most consistent with #1 or #2. although #3 is not impossible in that scenario.

I seek input from the rest of RFF. Truly, what are your thoughts?

I'm inclined to go with option no. 1. There is just too much to do in around the Lake District (Puerto Montt, etc) Rio Petrohue, Chaiten. Add in time to cover flight time from Calama, Santiago to Puerto Monnt, ROADBLOCK (Catch that fish!), DETOUR (Rock Climb or Rafting) then get thee to the pit stop in Punta Arenas. And if a team has to return to get something they missed, they would not be returning from Punta Arenas.

It seems to indicate that five teams end up for a happy, happy time in sun-drenched Aca pull co, so probably five legs finished in S. A before they leap across the pond to Africa in ep 6.

<SNIP>"The clip right after Mirna's clip, Eric is telling Danielle that she's gotta get her B____. It doesn't sound like he is saying "box". So that leads me to ask if they truly are flounder or the "B" word is the kind of flounder they are or maybe they are some kind of fish starting with "B". It almost sounds like get your Bucs or Bugs, it doesn't sound like box."<SNIP>

I'm pretty sure Eric said Boob, wanting her to cover the "fish" with her boobs so that it didn't fall out.

Hi I'm new around here...okay, I've been lurking for a couple of seasons now....

I have a couple questions about the fish that is supposedly flounder ???

On page 4 I think reply #84...Puddin posted a new episode teaser...

A. Why is the fish that Mirna has that, I think she says "won't hurt her anymore" white and without it's dark skin. It looks like he's flapping his mouth while he doesn't have any skin on him. Are they going to have to eat the fish they catch...and raw at that? :o

and B....The clip right after Mirna's clip, Eric is telling Danielle that she's gotta get her B____. It doesn't sound like he is saying "box". So that leads me to ask if they truly are flounder or the "B" word is the kind of flounder they are or maybe they are some kind of fish starting with "B". It almost sounds like get your Bucs or Bugs, it doesn't sound like box.

Finally there was a squiggly one eyed thing on a plate/pan in a freeze frame on an earlier page that someone asked what it was...that looks like a squid, although I don't know if they are in an area where squid exists. He looked raw, too.

You guys are great detectives around here! :waves:

Those fish look like some sort of Bio-Gentics gone wrong :lol: and LOL it does sound like boobs! I thought he was yelling " Dani you have to use your gloves use your gloves " or maybe he's yelling box because shes carrying one?

Those fish look like some sort of Bio-Gentics gone wrong :lol: and LOL it does sound like boobs! I thought he was yelling " Dani you have to use your gloves use your gloves " or maybe he's yelling box because shes carrying one?

Welcome to the forum NDIrish :yaya:

look it has an EEL like mouth! ewwwwwwwwwwww

On second look at the jpg. fish on the plate...I think it's the same one or kind in the clip that Mirna says it's not going to hurt her again as it flapping his mouth on the clip. Nevermind on the squid. But it still looks like it sans the skin of those in the pool of fish.

I've played the clip over and over and somehow I'm not hearing the "ooh" in boobs as much as an "uh" in my hearing a Bu (g) (c) (etc) sound..maybe it's just Eric's accent...or my northern ears not differentiating the phonic sound. :lol:

And apskip--I like your option one. It seems to make more sense to me to have a complete episode here. I was thinking that Punta Arenas/Ushuaia would make a nice TBC/NEL but guess we need those five elims to fill up Sequesterville (I cannot make myself call that "Elimination whatever" :lol:)!

The ramshackle appearance of the fish farm is bugging me a little. It doesn't look like a profit place, so I'm searching schools now. Here's a construction picture (http://www.hesy.com/igallery34/viewphoto.asp?i=DSC00011.JPG&f=fish+farms&sh=900&sw=1440); the photo caption states that the PM fish farm (Instituto Araucana) didn't become operational until August 2006 (you can go to the Hesy (http://www.hesy.com/igallery34/igallery.asp) site and search the galleries for other Chile photos). And the Austral University (http://www.uach.cl/acuicultura/pmtt.htm) also has a PM "acuicultura" place, but the photo doesn't look like a match.

Here's the picture of Austral I linked to earlier; it doesn't look like a match. I haven't found Aurancana yet, but I did run across something at about the same place as Puddin's "this place" GE mark. Chinquihue Foundation (http://www.fundacionchinquihue.cl/vers/ingles/fundacion.html)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP3/00302-26-2007.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP3/00312-26-2007.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP3/00322-26-2007.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP3/00332-26-2007.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP3/00342-26-2007.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP3/00362-26-2007.jpg)[IMG]the end

This guy seem like bill, who is getting the clue alone, i guess JOE BILL is the team who missed the clue....

And the guy who fall into the water seem to be joyce......since I hear "Joyce" at the last part of the video.....

Advance in the Culture Research (http://www.haworthpress.com/store/ArticleAbstract.asp?sid=U174XHW0LW6P8LG2R9GRMLQEWAAME62A&ID=5362) of Small-Eye Flounder, Paralichthys microps, and Chilean Flounder, P. adspersus, in Chile

and I now know that we are looking for circular culture flounder tanks but don't quote me on that.

This guy seem like bill, who is getting the clue alone, i guess JOE BILL is the team who missed the clue....

And the guy who fall into the water seem to be joyce......since I hear "Joyce" at the last part of the video.....

I think this week the roadblock will come before the detour.....

I'm pretty sure that is Charla & Mirna behind the Guido's with another team in front ( Ian & Teri?) running for the clue box probably at the Roadblock ???

i think that is the clue box for detour.......on this episode, Joe & Bill is 3rd and Teri Ian & Charla Mirna is 7th & 8thMaybe they board on different flight........

And it is strange that you only see Bill is getting the clue alone.......Isn't Joe should with him?My prediction is They missed the clue and just done the detour........Then they go to pit stop and heard Phil notice and go back to get the miss clue......when they are back to the detour......Joe wait in the car and bill go to search for the miss clue.......when Bill find the miss clue.....he saw the teams,Teri Ian & Charla Mirna, which have just arrive......

In the Video, you can only see Bill get the clue alone.......that is why I think they are the team who miss the clue.....

I just took a peek at TWOP. EVIL JESUS posted this predicting episode 3:

Teri falls off the boat, the Guidos miss a clue, and everyone hates Mirna

evil jesus also posted this: "He isn't patient like Zach. In the preview where Danielle is screaming over the skates, he's telling her to use her boobs. Maybe she's just scared because she has to carry something that grew up to kill Steve Irwin."

The only thing flounders grow up to be is dinner, even those Snowshoe flounders and Fluke that we fished for near Block Island out of Montauk Point LI NY.

And to start off on my second thousand - I may have missed something but have David and Mary shown up in any of the promos? Is this a premonition that they are the next to go?

Would be just like the Guidos to miss a clue. Perhaps not a task, but some clue telling them to go where or when and they just followed some other team as is their ilk to do instead of actually getting the clue.

And to start off on my second thousand - I may have missed something but have David and Mary shown up in any of the promos? Is this a premonition that they are the next to go?

Would be just like the Guidos to miss a clue. Perhaps not a task, but some clue telling them to go where or when and they just followed some other team as is their ilk to do instead of actually getting the clue.

Congrats gman :beer2: :wine:

It looks like Mary is not a happy camper. Could this be when Phil tells them about missing the clue? You can just catch a piece of David's blue cap in the upper left hand corner of the pics. Is he trying to console her ???

I think its Mary & David = Clue too Big Papi and Teri that goes over in the raft ..I'll be back later and will sort the vidcaps out and yeah we have another Phil preview coming tomorrow so should get more answers.

And to start off on my second thousand - I may have missed something but have David and Mary shown up in any of the promos? Is this a premonition that they are the next to go?

Would be just like the Guidos to miss a clue. Perhaps not a task, but some clue telling them to go where or when and they just followed some other team as is their ilk to do instead of actually getting the clue.

Congrats gman :beer2: :wine:

It looks like Mary is not a happy camper. Could this be when Phil tells them about missing the clue? You can just catch a piece of David's blue cap in the upper left hand corner of the pics. Is he trying to console her ???

EP3: "I'm Sorry I'm Wearing A Bathing Suit. It Is Very Weird, I Know." Webclues:**TEAMS MUST COMPLETE A TWO AND A HALF-MILE WHITE WATER RAFTING COURSE THROUGH RAGING RAPIDS, THROWING ONE RACER TO THE WILD RIVER AS THEIR TEAMMATE WATCHES HELPLESSLY**After attempting a 40-foot rock climb, two teams switch detour tasks. Will their decision cause them to lose time ans possibly the race?

**A racer is thrown into the wild river as they try to complete a white water rafting course. Their teammate can only watch helplessly as their race dreams possibly float away.

** At the pitstop, one team's joy turns to shock when Phil tells them that they did not get one of their clues and they have to go back to retrieve it. Is this the end of their race?**At the Pit Stop, one Team's joy turns to shock when Phil tells them that they did not get one of their clues and they must have them all before checking in.

Roadblock: wrangle fish (http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP3/th_00392-26-2007.jpg) Some teams arriving at the Roadblock, The BQ's, Teri & Ian and the Cha's ?? I'm not sure with the low-res video(http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP3/th_25Feb0021.jpg)What Ian is wearing

(http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP3/th_25Feb0033.jpg) Danielle with Joe in the background(http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP3/th_00152-26-2007.jpg) Uchenna(http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP3/th_00202-26-2007.jpg) (http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP3/th_00192-26-2007.jpg) Mirna performs the Roadblock(http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/th_07Feb0024.jpg)Amber performs the Roadblock

]Detour, Raft or Climb]

**TEAMS MUST COMPLETE A TWO AND A HALF-MILE WHITE WATER RAFTING COURSE THROUGH RAGING RAPIDS, THROWING ONE RACER TO THE WILD RIVER AS THEIR TEAMMATE WATCHES HELPLESSLY

RAFT this is where it gets tough to make out the teams..they all wear the same gear and the pictures are low-res

(http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP3/th_00312-26-2007.jpg) Bill running towards the cluebox(http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP3/th_00302-26-2007.jpg) Bill and another team who I can't make out?(http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP3/th_00342-26-2007.jpg) Joe with Charla / Mirna in tow(http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP3/th_00032-26-2007-1.jpg) Joe/Bill Charla/Mirna and?? (http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP3/th_00062-26-2007.jpg) BQ's :hifive:(http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP3/th_00442-26-2007.jpg) Charla/Mirna(http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP3/th_02Mar0001.jpg) Mary/David**A racer is thrown into the wild river as they try to complete a white water rafting course. Their teammate can only watch helplessly as their race dreams possibly float away. (http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP3/th_00502-26-2007.jpg) Ian yells " TERIII"Climb**After attempting a 40-foot rock climb, two teams switch detour tasks. Will their decision cause them to lose time and possibly the race?(http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP3/th_00182-26-2007.jpg) Eric & Danielle

Pitstop ** At the pitstop, one team's joy turns to shock when Phil tells them that they did not get one of their clues and they have to go back to retrieve it. Is this the end of their race?**At the Pit Stop, one Team's joy turns to shock when Phil tells them that they did not get one of their clues and they must have them all before checking in. (http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP3/th_00402-26-2007.jpg) (http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP3/th_00412-26-2007.jpg) Mary & David? who are eliminated!

When I want to try and find out what is being said I watch repeatedly and click and release the pause very fast till I feel I've understood what is being said. Rewatching allows your pause releases to be at different moments and makes it easier to tell what is being said. I got a lot of oobs after releasing the pause which goes with the boobs I feel I heard.

;D ....yep, Eric yells to Danielle to "use your boobs, use your boobs", to keep the flounder from squirming out of the box. ;)

Holy Fish Tits!! (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fish+Tits) Just for the Halibut :angel:

eta the Voiceover:

VO: Plunge into the new Amazing Race All-StarsOzzy stumbles during the RoadblockDanny: I told you less Martini's and more cardioVO: where encouraging a teammate is importantMirna to fish: please don't hurt me anymoreEric: Dan you gotta use your boobs, use your boobs!Danielle: ARRGGHHHHHHHH!!VO: keeping it together is criticalJoe cryingBill:it's been a nerve racking day,,got all wet VO: and a white water challenge takes the game to the highest level of danger yet!Teri: ughhhhhhhhhhIan: Oh my God! TERIIIIIVO: new Amazing Race All-Stars .......

The white piping and counter-number plaques suggest SCL airport (see here (http://www.pbase.com/image/32171394)). I don't know if there's another task in Santiago, or why racers couldn't just book all the legs at Calama.

Well I don't think Ian was yelling for her to use her " BOOBS " :lol:picture sucks..damn water :grins:

Did Eric say Boobs or Boots? ..we played that back about ten times on Sunday. I heard Gloves ;D Ian's quite the proper gentleman and I'm sure he would have yelled for her to grab onto her flotation devices.

Did Eric say Boobs or Boots? ..we played that back about ten times on Sunday. I heard Gloves ;D Ian's quite the proper gentleman and I'm sure he would have yelled for her to grab onto her flotation devices.

:rotf:I'll have to try to record the commercial then put on the close caption Papi Ian to Teri: Hump it, baby! :jam:

The white piping and counter-number plaques suggest SCL airport (see here (http://www.pbase.com/image/32171394)). I don't know if there's another task in Santiago, or why racers couldn't just book all the legs at Calama.

They could book it all at Calama, but possibly they are trying to improve to an earlier flight. Or they could just be using the counter as a place to chat.

Puerto Montt Campus (http://www.uach.cl/facultad/pesqueria/) The building looks like the same type as ours even though I know its not the same..just goin with Slowhatch's lead :tup:

PUDDIN, you have found more than meets the eye there. By clicking on your link I got the University of Chile at Valdivia and a new menu. By clicking on Puerto Montt campus again I got a new menu. This time I clicked on Ingeneria en Agicultura and got the following in Spanish:

PEACH, thanks for the "video with nice views of the falls...". It was a great tour of the area. The falls in the video were Petrohue Falls. However, I do not believe that that is the stretch of falls that was shown in the screencap that kicked off the search for appropriate falls with a volcano in the background. There are approximately 20 Saltos (Spanish for falls, unless I am mistaken) on the Rio Petrohue and the ones in the screenshot could can any of several of them. Petrohue Falls is far too narrow to match.

One of our Spanish speakers should translate the whole thing for us, but with the amount of Spanish I know I definitely read FISH FARMING.

School of Engineering in Acuicultura UACh Description of the race The race of Engineering in Acuicultura, forms professionals able to face and to solve to problems related to the intensive culture of marine species and candy-acui'colas. Account with an academic body of excellence, an increasing infrastructure with experimental stations and laboratories and a curricular mesh based on competitions, that assure the formation professionals able to evolve in technological areas, economic and compatible disciplines. The professionals will be enabled to make scientific investigation of high level and to develop to economic feasibility studies on the culture of new species, maintaining ethical and environmental criteria that they allow the sustainable production of the hydric resource. Occupational Field The Engineer in Acuicultura is an attractive professional for different occupational sectors due to the versatility that is from the integration of formation areas. This interdisciplinary formation allows that the occupational field of the Engineer in Acuicultura ample and is varied like allowing to be developed him in different areas. Some examples of the occupational field are indicated next: To exert in independent form the profession (technical attendance, consultancies, evaluation of projects, etc.). To work in fiscal and particular companies of culture or provision for the cultures (administration of culture centers, organization of productive processes, vegetal production or animal, studies of environmental impact of the cultures, etc.) To participate in state Institutions: Ministry of Economy, Promotion and Reconstruction, CORFO, Undersecretary's office of Fishing, etc. To work in Universities or Research centers deprived public or (technological investigation, formulation of projects, coordination of multidisciplinary equipment). Professional Profile An Engineer in Acuicultura, titleholder of the Austral University of Chile, is a professional in who they integrate the formation that allows to give to answer to the necessities of its communitarian surroundings and the formation like person and active participant of the society. The Engineer in Acuicultura will be an enabled professional to apply to Sciences and the Scientific Method in the detection, analysis and solution of the problems that are derived from the intensive production of marine and dulceacuícolas species in their biological scopes, average environmental, technological, economic and of the businesses, as well as, to assimilate the constant changes that are registered in the scope of the acuicultura and to act like agent of these same ones. This professional will be respectful of his surroundings cultural partner and the medio.ambiente through the exercise responsible for his profession within a frame ethical-moral. The set of attributes that define the Engineer in Acuicultura is from the integration of the particular attributes referred the competitions of the being, the knowledge and the knowledge to do. Alternatives of improvement The academic degree of Lawyer allows the student to continue studies of postdegree in anyone of the areas that conform the race: acuicultura, engineering, economy and businesses, as much in Chilean Universities as foreign. Investigation In the Institute of Acuicultura, technological outpost in areas of the handling of culture of fish is developed to scientific research and, crustaceans (spider crabs), moluscos (chorito, squid and abalón) and marine seaweed, focused in the disciplines of nutrition, physiology of the development and the reproduction, pathology and environmental impact.

muy excelente puddin :o didya see who was riding on the left side of Teri and Ian's inflatable ??? Looks like a lot of fun Sunday night. bring on the Guinness :beer2: and Sambuca :lol3:

who did yeah see???? i guess im blind today lol

What a pair we make Kogs, I'm deaf and you're blind so we're bound to find that proverbial acorn lol. Watching this new video it is Ian who is riding in the front left of the raft. In the earlier video it appears that the person in that position is the one that takes a dunk. Now just watch, it will probably be Mary who takes the dunking :groan:

I've got something wrong. I tried IE & IE tab (with firefox) and the Flash still shuts me down. IE closes Windows and IE Tab closes Firefox. I IM'd my son and he couldn't help and we figured he'd help when he's home from college at the end of the month. I get an error if I try to go through Flash and download plugins. I have XP PRO but I do not have SP2. I'm not much into computers and my son that's an engineer is done with college in 4 weeks and I'll have him tweak my system.

This has been going on for a while and I usually just try to find if vid I want is in a different format. 4 more weeks and my son will be done with college and back in town. :yess: :hearts:

muy excelente puddin :o didya see who was riding on the left side of Teri and Ian's inflatable ??? Looks like a lot of fun Sunday night. bring on the Guinness :beer2: and Sambuca :lol3:

who did yeah see???? i guess im blind today lol

What a pair we make Kogs, I'm deaf and you're blind so we're bound to find that proverbial acorn lol. Watching this new video it is Ian who is riding in the front left of the raft. In the earlier video it appears that the person in that position is the one that takes a dunk. Now just watch, it will probably be Mary who takes the dunking :groan:

I usually hate confrontations and prefer my Drama! in the form of on-the-edge-of-your-seat death-defying scare-me-to-death tasks--but all this?? This sounds like GOLD!

Danielle vs the incredible fish, and Teri vs Mirna may be the stuff of TAR legend, and then we have someone taking a raft ride without the raft and still have two teams giving up the rapell to look forward to---this is the kind of episode that has Emmy potential written all over it. Please let them advertise it well to bring in lots of new viewers to see the fun! (Well...I'm sure it wasn't fun for them at the time--but thanks guys for doing it for us to see! :hearts:)

Here's the picture of Austral I linked to earlier; it doesn't look like a match. I haven't found Aurancana yet, but I did run across something at about the same place as Puddin's "this place" GE mark. Chinquihue Foundation (http://www.fundacionchinquihue.cl/vers/ingles/fundacion.html)

I think thats it!! GE is old so who knows how they have improved the property since then?

The ramshackle appearance of the fish farm is bugging me a little. It doesn't look like a profit place, so I'm searching schools now. Here's a construction picture (http://www.hesy.com/igallery34/viewphoto.asp?i=DSC00011.JPG&f=fish+farms&sh=900&sw=1440); the photo caption states that the PM fish farm (Instituto Araucana) didn't become operational until August 2006 (you can go to the Hesy (http://www.hesy.com/igallery34/igallery.asp) site and search the galleries for other Chile photos). And the Austral University (http://www.uach.cl/acuicultura/pmtt.htm) also has a PM "acuicultura" place, but the photo doesn't look like a match.

okay i am sure it has been discussed... but in the commericla on survivor last night some one falls out of the raft in the white water challenge.... do we know who that is? Or atleast it looks like someone falls out.

okay i am sure it has been discussed... but in the commericla on survivor last night some one falls out of the raft in the white water challenge.... do we know who that is? Or atleast it looks like someone falls out.

Most of us think its Teri that goes overboard and then some think its Mary? or Ian?

Overlooked this before as I was busy chasing Pudding into the Keep. And the way things are going, I'm sure I could use another "Wench" at any time, but will clear with Wench #l first. :lol: I'll share!! but we might have to buy Gman some Geritol.

Overlooked this before as I was busy chasing Pudding into the Keep. And the way things are going, I'm sure I could use another "Wench" at any time, but will clear with Wench #l first. :lol: I'll share!! but we might have to buy Gman some Geritol.

Or maybe just some Heelies would do it? ;)

:rotf: rotflmao!! visions of Gman on skates chasing us wench's around the castle floors!!

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I know its funny, with the advance of this season Rob couldn't e gone fast enough. But in reality this season, I don't hate them. I actually wish Charla & Mirna were gone instead.

I never liked Mirna, but (maybe following all the clips, which I never even heard of when season 5 aired), I hate her more then ever and am sick to death of them.

So far, out of teams that annoy, Kevin & Drew (mainly due to Drew not being in physical shape to compete), David & mary, and Charla & Mirna are so far the only teams I really want out of the race.

Even teams that I previously didn't like (Hi Guido's) have been pleasently surprising so far.

I will ditto what MSWOOD has said. I will add that I find Charla almost as annoying as Mirna. David and Mary are buffoons, but they don't provide comic relief as they grate on me (except for Chuquicamata discovery Roadblock). Kevin and Drew were fabulous in AR1, but bad parodies of themselves in AR11.

Unless my ole eyes decieve me, it looks like six people hanging out together by the house on the hill. Are these the "non-working" teammates during the ROADBLOCK? If they are, then it looks like six teams are jammed up together catching the fish.On a promo today, there is a shot of Dee wearing an apron with somekind of name on it. Can't make it out, but if anyone can do better, then it might pin-point for sure where the Roadblock task is performed.

How many wenches do I have lined up so far? Remember I have to do it all on my own with no help from no blue pills!

I think this is worth reposting in case we get a chance to see any of the staff...Boingo was first to find the Petrohue Falls and actually tracked down Ko'kayak (http://www.kokayak.com/english/programmes/journee/) which is almost certainly our rafting company--it also matches the pictures in the Flickr set (http://www.flickr.com/photos/robtron2/397796849/in/set-72157594552536249/).

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Rafting Río Petrohué :

Petrohue river flows through National Park Vicente Perez Rosales, from the Lake Todos los Santos to the Reloncavi Fjord. There is three main sections on the river, the upper one over the Waterfalls (we are the only company allowed by N.P. to paddle this section); the lower one that flows into the fjord and the middle one that offers 13 km of class III IV rapids in a breathtaking scenery. .Time Schedule : 9h00 and 15h00 from Puerto VarasDuration : 5h00 overall: 2h00 on the water for a 13 km run.Level : Class III - IV (for everybody)Rate : 25.000 pesos ppIncluded : Transport, Complete gear, Guides, Box Lunch, InsuranceRestriction : 12 years old as minimum.

The rest of the tank logo can be seen: it looks like "C-MAR." There are a couple of possible search hits, but until the distinctive font can be found I wouldn't call any matches. And the only letters I can read on the wetsuit are at the bottom: lvlr (I think). Both are probably just manufacturer logos, which means the whole thing is a dead end. :knuckles:

How many wenches do I have lined up so far? Remember I have to do it all on my own with no help from no blue pills!

:waves: I'm already in line Gman!!and Gman thats why I think the Roadblock comes first and also the location does us no good without Chateau :'( :crown

I agree, it looks like the Roadblock come first. Too much activity in connection with the Detour (Shoot it or Climb it) to then go back to do the Roadblock with what looks like at least 6 teams all bunched up. So think order of the day reads something like this:

1. Drive from Valley of the Dead to Calama Airport

2. Fly to Puerto Montt via Santiago

3. Find the Fish Farm nearby, ROADBLOCK, (who is quick with their hands?) catch barehanded (a la Survivor a plus for Romber) one or two flounder-type flat fish and carry them a ways to the fish monger who will give them the next clue.

4. Travel to Rio Petrohue area for DETOUR, either Climb It (scale 40 foot cliff) or Shoot It (shoot the rapids in a rubber raft) Two teams try to Climb It but decide to Shoot It instead. One team has trouble and loses a member overboard (either Mary or Teri).

5. At end of task, proceed to PIT STOP. One teams arrives, but must go back to pickup clue. The team (Bill and Joe or Mary and David) has just followed the others to the Pit Stop without picking up clue at the end of the Detour.

6. Mary and David have just had too many bad things happen to them in the leg and end up being Philiminated as the third team to be sent to the isolation of sequesterville in A Ka Pul Co!

So no i-mar :rotf:? You guys don't think the Fundación Chinquihue match's? I was thinking this is the front of the building and the teams are seen running in the back of it? or it could just be I'm seeing things :lol:

It sort of match's Boingo.. how long would it take them to drive a 4x4 to Rio Petrohué from San Pedro? :

:-\ Not sure, but Atacama Desert is over a thousand miles from Osorno Volcano. Quite a drive. :angel:

Chateau: Intersting...look what pops up when you google "sotar raft chile"

Sotar is one of the of the best rafts company on the market, to make sure we give the best service to our customers we renewed our rafts fleet with some 14 feet Elite models....Want to test Sotar rafts? Just book a trip with us on the Petrohue or the San Pedro. :snicker:

Looks like Ko'Kayak (http://www.kokayak.com/english/actus/) uses Sotar rafts on Rio Petrohue. :lol3: But then again, what rafting company doesn't. :groan:

After watching Phil's preview for episode 3, it looks to me like Charla and Mirna and Bill and Joe are at the detour around the same time.It also shows Uchenna and Joyce at the roadblock at the same time, quite possible in front.Then there is the photo of the Chas, BQs and teri and Ian running together, and the show to Teri and Ian and Charla and Mirna at the counter together..This is how I'm guessing people finnish this leg, with the above being kept in mind:

1st. Uchenna and Joyce2nd. Eric and Danielle3rd. Rob and Amber4th. Oswald and Danny5th. Dustin and Kandice6th. Teri and Ian7th. Charla and Mirna8th. Joe and Bill9th. David and Mary (PHILIMINATED)

Yeah, but for all we know the photos of D/K, T/I and D/O could be the them arriving to the roadblock or detour (which ever comes first) just after the front groups, so any of these teams (other then T/I, since we know they are doing the detour at the same time as C/M) can easily make up ground. I'm so excited for tonight's episode!!

I think that the outside shots are a 100% match! You can even see the brown fence that I was sure was some kind of a sluice.... :lol:

I'm not so sure about the I-Mar ?headquarters building--it may go on the canal in Tenglo instead...

Ok so maybe i-mar building has nothing to do with it ..it was yellow and I was grasping for straws :lol:! So confusing! and I found pictures of the Campus Chinquihue, Puerto Montt (http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.tecmontt.ulagos.cl/galeria/galeria.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3DPuerto%2BMontt-Universidad%2BLos%2BLagos%2BChinquihue%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26rlz%3D1T4GGIH_enUS207US208%26sa%3DX) fwiw which isn't much.

Puerto Montt (seafood, day adventure trips, bed and breakfast, cruise connections,rent a car) Puerto Montt is situated on the Bay of Puerto Montt. Puerto Montt is protected on the west side by the Island of Tenglo. You can cross from the main land to the island in a row boat for about 50 cents. On the Island you can hike to the cross at the top of the hill and see the deep blue bay, the city of Puerto Montt and several beautiful snow covered volcanos. You can take a boat ride through the Tenglo Canal which lies between the island and the main land. Puerto Montt is the beginning point to many of the cruises that take you to southern Chile. Puerto Montt is a good place to base yourself when in this part of Chile

Yeah, but for all we know the photos of D/K, T/I and D/O could be the them arriving to the roadblock or detour (which ever comes first) just after the front groups, so any of these teams (other then T/I, since we know they are doing the detour at the same time as C/M) can easily make up ground. I'm so excited for tonight's episode!!

Maybe we can't count the clues left in the box :lol:and thanks peach :kissy:

So who's the person behind Eric in the above picture? I first suppose it's Oswald but now I don't think so. :-\And why Joyce looks like she's going to take a clue? So this clue comes after finishing roadblock? If so Uchenna/Joyce are at least ahead of Eric/Danielle at that time.

So who's the person behind Eric in the above picture? I first suppose it's Oswald but now I don't think so. :-\And why Joyce looks like she's going to take a clue? So this clue comes after finishing roadblock? If so Uchenna/Joyce are at least ahead of Eric/Danielle at that time.

That would be Bill--they are at the Roadblock (catch and carry the fish)....

So who's the person behind Eric in the above picture? I first suppose it's Oswald but now I don't think so. :-\And why Joyce looks like she's going to take a clue? So this clue comes after finishing roadblock? If so Uchenna/Joyce are at least ahead of Eric/Danielle at that time.

That would be Bill--they are at the Roadblock (catch and carry the fish)....

Would Joyce be allowed to open and take out a new clue by herself? As memory recalls both team members must be together when arriving at and opening clue box. It is different matter if they are given a clue by a designated someone after the completion of a task.

What about that picture of of Danielle where you can clearly see what looks to be Rob in the background? There are bunch of people standing there and I can't seem to point out a single one other then Rob!!!

Okay, my OCD :lol: has kicked in and now I want to know exactly WHEN they arrive and WHEN they can leave for the next place, because I think all that is going to play a role in whether or not one of our SA legs becomes a TBC/NEL/ "Marked for Elimination" leg....

I'll try to start with what I think we know so far, but I'm going to need lots of help from apskip's flight data and Chateau's time/shadow shots and mswood's timelime eye--and all of y'all to chime in on this...

Okay--I don't think we know when the teams arrived at the pitstop last week --maybe exit interviews will help pin it down? for now, I'll assume afternoon on the 23rd, and also assume a 12 hour pitstop...Leaving the pitstop:

Drive themselves back to Calama airport: This should be about 50-60 miles, so let's figure about 1 1/2 hours to get to the airport and another hour to 2 for finding a flight and checking in. Assuming that most of the will be leaving the pitstop in the wee hours of the morning, that allows for airport bunching.

The first flights I see out Of Calama to Puerto Montt are shown below (assumes 11/24) :

So let's assume that our guys arrive in Puerto Montt between 12-1PM. (Do we think any of them are so far behind that they won't get on the AM flight?)

Both rafting companies I checked have departures from Puerto Varas (just a little bit away from the airport at Puerto Montt--see Maps! Maps! Maps!) at 3PM with 5 hour total trips, 2 hours on the river--and somewhere I read that it takes about just under an hour to get to the river, and there will be some sort of a safety briefing too to need some time.

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Ko'Kayak Time Schedule : 9h00 and 15h00 from Puerto VarasDuration : 5h00 overall: 2h00 on the water for a 13 km run

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So I need shadow help here as to whether or not the Fish-Block or the Rafting/Climbing comes first?

Since we know that this is an elim week thanks to TES preview, where would the most likely pitstop be? I think it makes more sense to have them at the fishery late in the day rather than at the river--but I'm just guessing here. (I'm thinking it is time for a shower somewhere and not just a river bath! :lol:) Where would the team having to go back for a clue fit in? If the pitstop wasn't at the river but maybe at Puerto Varas, that could be very time-consuming to have to go back to the river--but might work with the whole having to go somewhere to get a clue...)

If the last task was the Fish-block--where would they have to go that required going back for a clue? Wouldn't that all be right there?--We see the teams at the clue box...

But in any case, looks like we'd be looking at late afternoon/ early evening pitstop arrivals.

That would mean early Am flights again on the 25th to get our teams to Punta Arenas for their time shots of early afternoon, already determined by Chateau. (We know they are at Cerro in Punta Arenas by at least 12:45 or thereabouts...)

Then here is where it all gets tricky and confusing...

We have Punta Arenas on the 25th (with some possible clues for an Intersection? I'm not 100% convinced about this)...We have apskip's findings of no scheduled flights on Sundays(11/26) from Punta Arenas to Ushuaia, setting up the possibility of a l o n g bus ride(SAT PM to SUN AM??) (although I do still think a chartered flight is an option given that we need them in the park by 11/26).We know the teams were seen in Tierro del Fuego park on 11/26 (zodiac boats) and again on 11/28 (Guido's at internet/booking place)This all starts to smell like a combined leg to me--at least a TBC if not a NEL...This still needs work--what do you all think?

Roadblock: wrangle fish (http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP3/th_00392-26-2007.jpg) Some teams arriving at the Roadblock, The BQ's, Teri & Ian and the Cha's ?? I'm not sure with the low-res video(http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP3/th_25Feb0021.jpg)What Ian is wearing

(http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP3/th_25Feb0033.jpg) Danielle with Joe in the background(http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP3/th_00152-26-2007.jpg) Uchenna(http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP3/th_00202-26-2007.jpg) (http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP3/th_00192-26-2007.jpg) Mirna performs the Roadblock(http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/th_07Feb0024.jpg)Amber performs the Roadblock

]Detour, Raft or Climb]

**TEAMS MUST COMPLETE A TWO AND A HALF-MILE WHITE WATER RAFTING COURSE THROUGH RAGING RAPIDS, THROWING ONE RACER TO THE WILD RIVER AS THEIR TEAMMATE WATCHES HELPLESSLY

RAFT this is where it gets tough to make out the teams..they all wear the same gear and the pictures are low-res

(http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP3/th_00312-26-2007.jpg) Bill running towards the cluebox(http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP3/th_00302-26-2007.jpg) Bill and another team who I can't make out?(http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP3/th_00342-26-2007.jpg) Joe with Charla / Mirna in tow(http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP3/th_00032-26-2007-1.jpg) Joe/Bill Charla/Mirna and?? (http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP3/th_00062-26-2007.jpg) BQ's :hifive:(http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP3/th_00442-26-2007.jpg) Charla/Mirna(http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP3/th_02Mar0001.jpg) Mary/David**A racer is thrown into the wild river as they try to complete a white water rafting course. Their teammate can only watch helplessly as their race dreams possibly float away. (http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP3/th_00502-26-2007.jpg) Ian yells " TERIII"Climb**After attempting a 40-foot rock climb, two teams switch detour tasks. Will their decision cause them to lose time and possibly the race?(http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP3/th_00182-26-2007.jpg) Eric & Danielle

Pitstop ** At the pitstop, one team's joy turns to shock when Phil tells them that they did not get one of their clues and they have to go back to retrieve it. Is this the end of their race?**At the Pit Stop, one Team's joy turns to shock when Phil tells them that they did not get one of their clues and they must have them all before checking in. (http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP3/th_00402-26-2007.jpg) (http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR11/EP3/th_00412-26-2007.jpg) Mary & David? who are eliminated!

I think we can rule out the BQs as one of the teams to switch detours, because they are pretty physical, so if they wanted to do the rock-climbing i'm sure they wouldn't have had a problem...especially since Dustin didn't have a problem in TAR10.

I think we can rule out the BQs as one of the teams to switch detours, because they are pretty physical, so if they wanted to do the rock-climbing i'm sure they wouldn't have had a problem...especially since Dustin did in TAR10.

I think its Danielle/Eric because they are seen there, and Rob and Amber or Uchenna and Joyce [or maybe both are the switchers and ED stay] only because they did the rafting in their last season maybe they would want to do something new. But thats just a guess. romber and UJ really got a bad deal this race after 5 legs both teams only visited one new country all other teams its al pretty muchl new. I dont know why the race couldnt go to like Bolivia or Paraguay why they kept going in Chile and Argentina. I feel like this race only goes to 3 new countries?

This is the location of the imar building. But it is not where the Roadblock happens. See the backside does not have those 6 dormer windows along the roof. And the ground topography does not match. I think the Fish Farm may at the other lake north of town. It has a lot more hills along the shore. But the GE rez is fuzzy most of the places. So I can't find the Fish Farm

Teams arrived in Calama at 8:50am if theri flight was on time. They then went North to the mine, did the detour went back towards Calama (or around the outskirts), drove southeast to the Valley of the Moon then turned back towards Clama and slightly north to the Valley of teh Dead.

Kevin and Drew said they were driving for about 4 hours in the clips from the finnish line, so I expect the teams took about 3 to 3 and a half hours driving after the mine detour.

So I think the arrival times will be 12:40pm to 1:40 pm. Without knowing how long the task took (including safety talk, changing into gears, getting out of the airport, ect)

But that is just a very, very rough guess. Where's Chateau and shadows, we want sahdows.

:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: To all the GREAT Detectives, veteran and "newbie" alike, for a job well done. KUDOS as well to RFF, a forum that is indeed a pleasure to visit. And let us not forget PUDDIN, the gold standard in moderators. Enjoy the race today and may your team do well, good luck. :tup:

And this shot was taken when the Sun was near the horizon. At first I thought it had to be in the morning. But that does not fit the time line. Maybe this is changing clothes after the rafting. I just can't see people going rating with only a half hour of daylight left.

----Just to the left and behind the building is what looks like a black square with right ovals. (Look at the tree by the road in front of the building and then in back of the tree (& in back of the building) is where the black square is) I think this is where the fish tanks are.

----To the left of the black square could be the shack on the hill.

I'm not too sure of the location of the tanks but the parking lot to the right of the building fits with the direction they are running.

----Just to the left and behind the building is what looks like a black square with right ovals. (Look at the tree by the road in front of the building and then in back of the tree (& in back of the building) is where the black square is) I think this is where the fish tanks are.

----To the left of the black square could be the shack on the hill.

I'm not too sure of the location of the tanks but the parking lot to the right of the building fits with the direction they are running.

Take a look at the picture of Joyce, Eric and Bill standing as their partners are doing fish in the box.Bill is tall...has a green shirt and beige/kaki pants on.

Then look at the picture of the three teams running. The first team's partner on the right of the photo is wearing a green shirt and what looks like kaki or tan pants. He's tall and has a fairly larger shoe.

I looks to me that it could be Bill or the frame of the person also looks to me to fit Uchenna. It looks like that person is wearing a long olivish green shirt...and I've think I've seen Uchenna wearing a similar shirt at some point in the race so far...

If that picture captures the first three teams in then it looks to maybe that it's one of the two teams I mentioned above coming in first. But if what I read about Joyce getting the clue and opening it up without Uchenna beside her, then they would be turned away to go get the clue and lose out being No. 1.

I can't make out who is running in between the first team and the BQs...

??? Good job, detectives. OK, just to put all this into perspective. Eric & Joyce appear to be standing on a hill, (RED STAR), next to a small white building, overlooking the fish tanks. The YELLOW BUILDING with the 3 dormers is over to their left (YELLOW CIRCLE). This appears ro be the location mentioned in the .PDF file. ;D

Since there are tanks on the hill, guess that explains why we see Amber climbing UP the hill with her box too....

And NDIrish I like your analysis--except that we are not 100% sure which tasks comes first. But based on Chateau's shadows, I'm leaning towards thinking that the Detour (rafting/climbing) comes last in the day--so there would still be lots of room for placement changes....

There was a vid cap with JOyce and the clue box was open, there were what looked like 4 or 5 clues in that box[deff not 6]. Joyce, Eric, and Joe were all standing there, so one team must be ahead of them.

There was a vid cap with JOyce and the clue box was open, there were what looked like 4 or 5 clues in that box[deff not 6]. Joyce, Eric, and Joe were all standing there, so one team must be ahead of them.

There could be someone next to Joyce for all we know? anyway the point is that Eric/Dee seem to lose whatever lead they had at the Roadblock as we see other teams catching up or passing them i.e. Uchenna.

There was a vid cap with JOyce and the clue box was open, there were what looked like 4 or 5 clues in that box[deff not 6]. Joyce, Eric, and Joe were all standing there, so one team must be ahead of them.

There could be someone next to Joyce for all we know? anyway the point is that Eric/Dee seem to lose whatever lead they had at the Roadblock as we see other teams catching up or passing them i.e. Uchenna.

There are two teams who seem to be missing from this fish capturing excursion. T/I and D/M.Don't they have to be around somewhere and maybe lurking in the background somewhere? ??? One of each of those teams had better be "fishing".

I've been pondering that, too, Mike. Joyce has a green shirt but that isn't Joyce because she has longer sleeves on her green shirt. The other two green short sleeve shirts that I know about are Oswald and Bill. It seems to me the green shirt in the picture is lighter than the green shirt Oswald is wearing. But then when you look at the arm it looks a bit chunkier than I would think Bill's arm, since he's lean and looks fairly tall.

Could it be Teri? She's wearing a red jacket? in the airport and tan pants. In the picture it looks like some of the tan pants are visible at the top of the waders and that could be her jacket? with the sleeves rolled up.

I've been wondering too and just now saw what looks like tan pants visible. We may know tonight.

well if it is teri that would mean all of the teams (but d/m and c/m) are doing the road block at the same time because there was that clip with the chas, bqs, and teri/ian.

We see a clip of Mirna doing the fish catch...she says something about the fish not hurting (biting maybe?) her again. That only leaves D/M not being seen doing their road block.

It could be Teri as it matches. But in one of the clips I've seen when she and Ian are scuffling with C/M at the airport, she moves and you can see the jacket isn't all the way closed and she has on a white shirt underneath it. Maybe she didn't want fish water on her white shirt. I think I would have taken the jacket off to give myself more mobility. But then maybe the jacket sleeves would protect her from the fish chomping her arms.

Then I noticed that when we see the three teams (chas,bqs & T/I) running, puddin pointed out Teri running in the middle of the group in what look like a black shirt...she changed clothing while Ian didn't, he has the same blue shirt on that he wore in the airport. Oswald has his green shirt on. So I'm thinking at that point, both tasks have been done (maybe Teri changed from falling in the river water) and they are on their way to Phil's mat. Oswald looks like he has an edge on Ian. :js:

:umn: I don't think so. There are three pictures (and a clip) I'm trying to deduce from (I'm new so maybe my detective skills aren't honed yet :angel:) Actually on page 10 post #248 you see the yellow house in the pictures of the fish place...so I think the yellow house is more close to the fish place.

But then there is on page 1/post #2 the clip of C/M squabbling with T/I at the airport. To which Teri is wearing her tan pants and redish jacket...which is being speculated on in the Danny background picture at the fish place.

And then on the picture Puddin posted on page 11/post #264, in which she points out Teri, Teri is wearing a black shirt. Somewhere between the airport, the fish place and the yellow house Teri changed her top. The pants kind of look the same and the waders would have kept them dry.

Maybe they did the river rafting first? And maybe they had some driving to do from the fish place to get to the yellow house, she could have changed in the back seat while Ian drove. ???

:umn: I don't think so. There are three pictures (and a clip) I'm trying to deduce from (I'm new so maybe my detective skills aren't honed yet :angel:) Actually on page 10 post #248 you see the yellow house in the pictures of the fish place...so I think the yellow house is more close to the fish place.

But then there is on page 1/post #2 the clip of C/M squabbling with T/I at the airport. To which Teri is wearing her tan pants and redish jacket...which is being speculated on in the Danny background picture at the fish place.

And then on the picture Puddin posted on page 11/post #264, in which she points out Teri, Teri is wearing a black shirt. Somewhere between the airport, the fish place and the yellow house Teri changed her top. The pants kind of look the same and the waders would have kept them dry.

Maybe they did the river rafting first? And maybe they had some driving to do from the fish place to get to the yellow house, she could have changed in the back seat while Ian drove. ???

Teri didn't change her shirt, she took her jacket off ;) . I don't know how you all think the rafting/climbing Detour comes first with the teams so bunched at the roadblock? 2 hours and we'll know :happy:

Teri didn't change her shirt, she took her jacket off ;) . 2 hours and we'll know :happy:[/quote]

I'll tell you where I was getting that Teri changed her shirt. In Phil's preview clip when C/M and T/I are squabbling and just before Ian starts calling for Security, Teri turns toward Ian. When she does that there is a white collar showing...I took it that she was wearing a white shirt. When challenged about it, I went back and looked at the clip again and paused it where I was seeing white. When I did this I see that I was wrong, she did have a black shirt on...actually it looks like a black shirt, a white something and then her redish jacket. Anyhow I see my err of my sight and correct myself that she didn't change her shirt...but that is where it came from. Guess I need some new contacts. :groan:

How many wenches do I have lined up so far? Remember I have to do it all on my own with no help from no blue pills!

:waves: I'm already in line Gman!!and Gman thats why I think the Roadblock comes first and also the location does us no good without Chateau :'( :crown

I agree, it looks like the Roadblock come first. Too much activity in connection with the Detour (Shoot it or Climb it) to then go back to do the Roadblock with what looks like at least 6 teams all bunched up. So think order of the day reads something like this:

1. Drive from Valley of the Dead to Calama Airport

2. Fly to Puerto Montt via Santiago

3. Find the Fish Farm nearby, ROADBLOCK, (who is quick with their hands?) catch barehanded (a la Survivor a plus for Romber) one or two flounder-type flat fish and carry them a ways to the fish monger who will give them the next clue.

4. Travel to Rio Petrohue area for DETOUR, either Climb It (scale 40 foot cliff) or Shoot It (shoot the rapids in a rubber raft) Two teams try to Climb It but decide to Shoot It instead. One team has trouble and loses a member overboard (either Mary or Teri).

5. At end of task, proceed to PIT STOP. One teams arrives, but must go back to pickup clue. The team (Bill and Joe or Mary and David) has just followed the others to the Pit Stop without picking up clue at the end of the Detour.

6. Mary and David have just had too many bad things happen to them in the leg and end up being Philiminated as the third team to be sent to the isolation of sequesterville in A Ka Pul Co!

GMAN, I have to respetively disagree with your forecast of timing. I think that the plane into Puerto Montt will be landing at 1240. At that time of day, rafting will take several hours and logic tells me it will be started ASAP. Fish farming is not time dependent and can be done anytime, so it will be done later. In about one hour we should know which order is correct.

Okay, my OCD :lol: has kicked in and now I want to know exactly WHEN they arrive and WHEN they can leave for the next place, because I think all that is going to play a role in whether or not one of our SA legs becomes a TBC/NEL/ "Marked for Elimination" leg....

I'll try to start with what I think we know so far, but I'm going to need lots of help from apskip's flight data and Chateau's time/shadow shots and mswood's timelime eye--and all of y'all to chime in on this...

Okay--I don't think we know when the teams arrived at the pitstop last week --maybe exit interviews will help pin it down? for now, I'll assume afternoon on the 23rd, and also assume a 12 hour pitstop...Leaving the pitstop:

Drive themselves back to Calama airport: This should be about 50-60 miles, so let's figure about 1 1/2 hours to get to the airport and another hour to 2 for finding a flight and checking in. Assuming that most of the will be leaving the pitstop in the wee hours of the morning, that allows for airport bunching.

The first flights I see out Of Calama to Puerto Montt are shown below (assumes 11/24) :

So let's assume that our guys arrive in Puerto Montt between 12-1PM. (Do we think any of them are so far behind that they won't get on the AM flight?)

Both rafting companies I checked have departures from Puerto Varas (just a little bit away from the airport at Puerto Montt--see Maps! Maps! Maps!) at 3PM with 5 hour total trips, 2 hours on the river--and somewhere I read that it takes about just under an hour to get to the river, and there will be some sort of a safety briefing too to need some time.

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Ko'Kayak Time Schedule : 9h00 and 15h00 from Puerto VarasDuration : 5h00 overall: 2h00 on the water for a 13 km run

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So I need shadow help here as to whether or not the Fish-Block or the Rafting/Climbing comes first?

Since we know that this is an elim week thanks to TES preview, where would the most likely pitstop be? I think it makes more sense to have them at the fishery late in the day rather than at the river--but I'm just guessing here. (I'm thinking it is time for a shower somewhere and not just a river bath! :lol:) Where would the team having to go back for a clue fit in? If the pitstop wasn't at the river but maybe at Puerto Varas, that could be very time-consuming to have to go back to the river--but might work with the whole having to go somewhere to get a clue...)

If the last task was the Fish-block--where would they have to go that required going back for a clue? Wouldn't that all be right there?--We see the teams at the clue box...

But in any case, looks like we'd be looking at late afternoon/ early evening pitstop arrivals.

That would mean early Am flights again on the 25th to get our teams to Punta Arenas for their time shots of early afternoon, already determined by Chateau. (We know they are at Cerro in Punta Arenas by at least 12:45 or thereabouts...)

Then here is where it all gets tricky and confusing...

We have Punta Arenas on the 25th (with some possible clues for an Intersection? I'm not 100% convinced about this)...We have apskip's findings of no scheduled flights on Sundays(11/26) from Punta Arenas to Ushuaia, setting up the possibility of a l o n g bus ride(SAT PM to SUN AM??) (although I do still think a chartered flight is an option given that we need them in the park by 11/26).We know the teams were seen in Tierro del Fuego park on 11/26 (zodiac boats) and again on 11/28 (Guido's at internet/booking place)This all starts to smell like a combined leg to me--at least a TBC if not a NEL...This still needs work--what do you all think?

PEACH,All teams should easily get to Calama in time to make the 730am flight, which after connecting through Santiago arrives at Puerto Montt at 1240(information contained earlier in this thread).

In looking at going from Puerto MOntt to Punta Arenas, there is big trouble because there are only 2 nonstop flights most days and a third connecting flight on some (including fortunately Fridays). The first one out is LAN 260 back to Santiago leaving at 0600, connecting to Lan 281 which arrives Punta Areans at 1125. Anyone that misses that is going to get the 1305 nonstop and not get to Punta Arenas until 0315.

How many wenches do I have lined up so far? Remember I have to do it all on my own with no help from no blue pills!

:waves: I'm already in line Gman!!and Gman thats why I think the Roadblock comes first and also the location does us no good without Chateau :'( :crown

I agree, it looks like the Roadblock come first. Too much activity in connection with the Detour (Shoot it or Climb it) to then go back to do the Roadblock with what looks like at least 6 teams all bunched up. So think order of the day reads something like this:

1. Drive from Valley of the Dead to Calama Airport

2. Fly to Puerto Montt via Santiago

3. Find the Fish Farm nearby, ROADBLOCK, (who is quick with their hands?) catch barehanded (a la Survivor a plus for Romber) one or two flounder-type flat fish and carry them a ways to the fish monger who will give them the next clue.

4. Travel to Rio Petrohue area for DETOUR, either Climb It (scale 40 foot cliff) or Shoot It (shoot the rapids in a rubber raft) Two teams try to Climb It but decide to Shoot It instead. One team has trouble and loses a member overboard (either Mary or Teri).

5. At end of task, proceed to PIT STOP. One teams arrives, but must go back to pickup clue. The team (Bill and Joe or Mary and David) has just followed the others to the Pit Stop without picking up clue at the end of the Detour.

6. Mary and David have just had too many bad things happen to them in the leg and end up being Philiminated as the third team to be sent to the isolation of sequesterville in A Ka Pul Co!

GMAN, I have to respetively disagree with your forecast of timing. I think that the plane into Puerto Montt will be landing at 1240. At that time of day, rafting will take several hours and logic tells me it will be started ASAP. Fish farming is not time dependent and can be done anytime, so it will be done later. In about one hour we should know which order is correct.

So now we have a positive ID for the church in the opening vidcaps: San Pedro de Atacama. Missed that first stop, but the rest followed the plan pretty well. Did any team actaully try the rock climb? The tease said "two teams switched tasks" during the Detour, but I did not see anyone trying the rock climb.

There must be a fairly good spread between the arrival of the teams at the matt, as the B Q's actually had time to retrace the route back to the La Maquina marker to pickup the clue they missed and still get back in time to still be in fourth place.

A really broad hint in the "next week" promo that disaster strikes Romber. What a crushing blow this is going to be after actually winning handily the first three eps (that must be somekind of record). But they will have a nice vacation in A Ka Pul Co for over two weeks.

This is what we were looking for: so far, it's the only Bahia Metri photo I've found. The source page (http://www.picoroco.cl/culture.html) has the lat-long, but don't bother looking it's in the fuzzylands.

How many wenches do I have lined up so far? Remember I have to do it all on my own with no help from no blue pills!

:waves: I'm already in line Gman!!and Gman thats why I think the Roadblock comes first and also the location does us no good without Chateau :'( :crown

I agree, it looks like the Roadblock come first. Too much activity in connection with the Detour (Shoot it or Climb it) to then go back to do the Roadblock with what looks like at least 6 teams all bunched up. So think order of the day reads something like this:

1. Drive from Valley of the Dead to Calama Airport

2. Fly to Puerto Montt via Santiago

3. Find the Fish Farm nearby, ROADBLOCK, (who is quick with their hands?) catch barehanded (a la Survivor a plus for Romber) one or two flounder-type flat fish and carry them a ways to the fish monger who will give them the next clue.

4. Travel to Rio Petrohue area for DETOUR, either Climb It (scale 40 foot cliff) or Shoot It (shoot the rapids in a rubber raft) Two teams try to Climb It but decide to Shoot It instead. One team has trouble and loses a member overboard (either Mary or Teri).

5. At end of task, proceed to PIT STOP. One teams arrives, but must go back to pickup clue. The team (Bill and Joe or Mary and David) has just followed the others to the Pit Stop without picking up clue at the end of the Detour.

6. Mary and David have just had too many bad things happen to them in the leg and end up being Philiminated as the third team to be sent to the isolation of sequesterville in A Ka Pul Co!

GMAN, I have to respetively disagree with your forecast of timing. I think that the plane into Puerto Montt will be landing at 1240. At that time of day, rafting will take several hours and logic tells me it will be started ASAP. Fish farming is not time dependent and can be done anytime, so it will be done later. In about one hour we should know which order is correct.

Neener Neener the detour is first :yess:

GMAN and PUDDIN,It is no secret that your judgment was better on this one. At 806pm I had proof that my judgement was not when the clue for Metri was read out.

Double checked the tape. All nine teams elect to do the Wild River. Uchenna and Joyce are seen opening clue and electing to do the Wild River. Only possibility is that they chose to do the climb after seeing the river, but there is no visual during the program of any team doing the Verticle Climb. CBS blurb, not withstanding, but there never are shown "two teams electing to change the detour task."

Double checked the tape. All nine teams elect to do the Wild River. Uchenna and Joyce are seen opening clue and electing to do the Wild River. Only possibility is that they chose to do the climb after seeing the river, but there is no visual during the program of any team doing the Verticle Climb. CBS blurb, not withstanding, but there never are shown "two teams electing to change the detour task."

GMAN, editors are highly skilled. Do you think it's possible that the "elect to do the Wild River" statement might have come after they had failed at Rock climbing? I do.

Double checked the tape. All nine teams elect to do the Wild River. Uchenna and Joyce are seen opening clue and electing to do the Wild River. Only possibility is that they chose to do the climb after seeing the river, but there is no visual during the program of any team doing the Verticle Climb. CBS blurb, not withstanding, but there never are shown "two teams electing to change the detour task."

GMAN, editors are highly skilled. Do you think it's possible that the "elect to do the Wild River" statement might have come after they had failed at Rock climbing? I do.

Just tripled checked the tape. Why would Uchenna and Joyce go BACK to the Clue Box to read the clue again if they tried the rock climb and failed? On the tape Joyce rips open the clue and live on camera says "Let's do rapids. What do you think" They then are seen entering car as Uchenna in a voice over says "Let's do it". Now clever editing could have left out discussion between the two and decision to do the rock climb afterall and make it sound like it their only choice was the rapids. After the clue box we see the in a car passing Eric and Dee and asking "where are the rapids". Now this could be as they were coming back from the rock climb. If all this takes place then Uchenna and Joyce must have had a long lead over Eric and Dee since they end up together. This also means that Romber was at the pit stop with a huge lead on the others.

2006/11/24/<< pic date"I'm Sorry I'm Wearing A Bathing Suit. It Is Very Weird, I Know" -- The teams travel to T Centro Acuicultura in Puerto Montt, Chile where one team member (Danielle) must perform a Road Block, in which they remove all of the fish [flounder] from a tank in order to receive their clue on the bottom of the empty tank on THE AMAZING RACE: ALL-STARS

As I recall, we were told that the rock climp was xx yards away where xx was so small that teams would get there by just walking over to it.

Believe it was 200 yards. Still why go back to the Clue Box to rip open clue again and read it and decide to do the rapids. Does not make much sense. Just some post production editing to clean it all up. Somebody leaked the shot of them at the rock climb while the editors were trying to make it look like the rapids was there only decision! Anyway, its over and done with. This has happened several times before when we had pix of tasks that never came off: i. e. teepee building in Canada, bean counting in Dubai or somewhere.

ROB told RealityNews Online in an interview on 3/12/07 that "They didn’t show it, but we did actually attempt the rock climbing." So it was Uchenna/Joyce and Rob/Amber for the switched detour to whitewater rafting.