sorry to bother you with all this non-native nonsense, but I have justfinished my CELTA in Budapest, 2-27 August 2010, which has been amazing,tutors were great, colleagues likewise, the whole experience was a trueeye-opener for me, I am excited to start teaching, but I see all these jobswhere only native speakers are required... Has the market become moredemanding? my main concern...I have been fluent in EN for almost ten years now, even if I am Romanian, but Ihave a degree in Journalism and Mass Communication (Univ. of Bucharest2004), have finished one uni year in English and have worked abroad formore than 7 years in English speaking countries (Dubai, UK, USA). I havealways been fascinated by English and loved teaching when I was doing it in1:1 lessons - Business English, for more than 5 years, during college. Now, after CELTA, I see what I have been missing and I want to commit to it fulltime, still, do not know where to start. Even China, which seemed to be afriendly start a while ago, seems impossible to "catch" as they wantnatives.Hence, my courage to approach a more experienced teacher like you, whohopefully has seen more non-natives struggling and finally getting to somelight at the end of the tunnel :) I must brag about the fact that duringthe CELTA course, my strong points were the Phonemic Script and Grammar,which I helped my native colleagues with :-)

Please help, I prefer Europe - Poland, France, Portugal - but from what Ihave seen, not all of them are keen on Romanians fluent in EN :-)Kindly advise, much appreciated, Regards, Elena

EllenaM wrote:Please help, I prefer Europe - Poland, France, Portugal - but from what Ihave seen, not all of them are keen on Romanians fluent in EN :-)

Having had a quick nose through my "bible" aka 'Teaching English Abroad' by Susan Griffith, while there are undoubtedly a number of schools in Poland, France and Portugal who insist on native speakers, there are a surprising amount who don't.

I don't know about France or Poland but schools in Portugal are still hiring now for contracts starting at the beginning of October, so it might be worth looking there first? I know this because I've just landed one! :)

Based on information taken from the above-mentioned book, the following schools state that they have no preference of nationality and/or want an EU passport (which would give you the edge over non-EU citizens):

I can't personally vouch for any of these schools so if you do contact them, please take all the necessary precautions! (I believe there was a post from someone on here the other day advising newbies what to look out for!).

You're welcome! Let me know if you have any problems with the links (I typed them quite quickly!) or if you need any further assistance! Best of luck finding a job, and remember, perseverance is key! ;)

The job market is tough at the moment, but that's true in all areas, not just in EFL.

There are two ways in which non-native speakers are at a disadvantage in job hunting.

In some countries, they cannot legally teach English. This is mostly a problem in Asia, with South Korea and China refusing to issue working visas to citizens of countries that do not have English as an L1. Of course, many people in these countries work illegally on a tourist visa, but that's unwise at the best of times and doubly so if you want teaching to be a career rather than just a working holiday.

In some countries, non-native speakers are regarded as intrinsically worse teachers of English. Ironically, this is often true in countries with a low level of English where non-native teachers would be most useful. Countries with a generally high level of English (e.g. northern Europe) are generally much more realistic about the abilities of non-native speakers, although they also have a fairly small market for foreign teachers, since their own education systems are excellent.

I would say that your best moves would be

go to a country with a strong and growing EFL market

specialise in an area with plenty of demand, such as YLs

gain additional qualifications as soon as possible to get you ahead of the pack

I'd like to agree with the other responder. It's inherently bad for someone who is not a native speaker of English to teach it. I went through a TEFL course about 3 years ago, and two of the students were non native speakers. They were Portuguese and I'm a latino -- so I could talk to them in Spanish -- but the fact that they were not native speakers really showed. That is, they got a lot of simple things wrong: They said things like X-mas is "on" December or Thanksgiving is "in" Thursday, and etc.. When I brought this up to my instructor, all he said was something like, "Well, they're just trying to learn to be an EFL teacher like you. And blah, blah, blah." I guess it wasn't P.C. to bring it up. Anyways if you have so much experience and knowledge of English, maybe you'd be better off as a translator in your own country? My mom's law firm uses translator services a lot, especially in translating documents from Asia.

Juanes wrote:I'd like to agree with the other responder. It's inherently bad for someone who is not a native speaker of English to teach it.

I've scoured the previous posts and can't find any poster even hinting that it is "inherently bad for someone who is not a native speaker of English to teach it".

Juanes wrote:It's inherently bad for someone who is not a native speaker of English to teach it.

As generalizations go, that's about as broad as they get - especially when you take into account that the vast majority of teachers of English around the world are not English mother-tongue. Bit of a slap in the face for what might be more than 80% of all teachers of English.

Juanes wrote:That is, they got a lot of simple things wrong: They said things like X-mas is "on" December or Thanksgiving is "in" Thursday, and etc..

Yes, and even native speakers "get things wrong". They write things like "non native speakers" and "X-mas" and "and etc".

Dear Juanes: please think very carefully before you make sweeping and pompous remarks.

Although you aren't going to work in China (Asia), I would like to add that in fact:

Someareas in China don't care if your first language isn't English, BUT, it doesn't mean that you will get the best jobs.

Some areas of China will take you on, as long as you don't look Oriental. I've heard stories of a tuition centre employing African cleaners to teach English as they couldn't obtain any foreign looking English teachers.

Worse still, there was a time where a tuition centre I worked at in Hong Kong refused to employ a NET because they wore muslim clothing! And it was thought that the children would be scared of someone like them!

I'm a school owner and would happily employ a competent non-native speaker over a less-competent native speaker IF my clients would let me. Honestly, I believe it's far from being the most important thing.But it would be commercial suicide - my clients would likely think I am trying to rip them off, and my competitors would use it against me.In the end, it all comes down to marketing, in Italy at least. I suggest you don't come here!But good luck, whatever you do!

When I read your post, I find it interesting to notice how much there are variations from one country to another! I am still an ESL student teacher in Canada in the province of Quebec. Here, because English and French are the two official languages of the country, it is mandatory to learn English as a second language in Quebec schools (French is the language that dominates in Quebec). In elementary and secondary schools, there are plenty of jobs for non-native English speakers. In universities, a lot of teachers who teach English courses are non-native too. I think that, as long as you speak English properly and have knowledge on English language and culture, you are qualified to teach English.

Have you found any school yet Ellena?I have the same problem. All the schools in the Paris region seem to employ exclusively native speakers. Can I also ask you how you found the CELTA course? Was it very difficult? I am planning to take one myself and need to find the courage first as I have heard it is very difficult. Cheers.Martin