Thresher sez "Is the bullet hole real or fake? (And, yes, I may be suspicious of respondents who know too much on the subject.)"

Dunno much about REAL bullet holes, but this one comes retail through various novelty purveyors. It would be very interesting if it WEREN'T fake, since it appears to have come from the inside! But its edges are waaaaaaay too neat and unchipped.

Somewhat related...
Recent New Yorker piece on the enlisted woman who took the photos at Abu Ghraib is here:http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/03/24/080324fa_fact_gourevitch?currentPage=all

BTW, Colin, you and your wonderful readers might want to know that Philip Gourevitch, one of the authors of the piece, and author of "We wish to inform you that tomorrow we will be killed with our families: Stories from Rwanda" will be reading at Wesleyan Weds at 8 pm; free and open to the public. I have heard him read before and he is so very smart and wonderful.
(I wonder if I'll see our pal Spazeboy there...)

I'm not sure what we're all so anxious to get Cheney to talk about. My guess is that most of the people on this thread would be far more disappointed if he bored you with some details about whatever it is that agitates you, than if he just kept quiet and fueled your ranting through January of '09 and beyond.

Regardless, equating Cheney (at the very least, a US citizen) with our special guests at Gitmo? Can't we be at least somewhat serious about matters that affect our country?

Or are you being serious after all?

It doesn't take a visit to Ground Zero for me to, almost daily, think about all the children, almost seven years older now, who forever lost their Mom or Dad on 9/11. Or the Moms and Dads who lost a precious son or daughter.

Our great country, regardless of who is in the White House (FDR being an unfortunate exception) does not just arbitrarily pick people up and put them in prison camps. No, at Gitmo, membership has some pretty serious minimum requirements. But even if some guilt-by-association / otherwise innocents find a few beds for themselves there - I'd rather waterboard and ruin the afternoons of ten from that crowd than lose the precious life of a single "evil rich" person, who has never been anywhere close to terrorist activity, simply for showing up for work one sunny day.

Grow up and get serious, people. I beg you. Let's move past this idealistic high school debate mindset and form our words to express serious discussion and debate in the great-if-non-sterile real world in which we live. This is our country we're talking about. I trust you all enjoy the freedom you have to openly express your rhetoric or naiveté. But ask yourselves, if it is neither rhetoric nor naiveté, if you really believe what you're saying, and you really know something I don't, please tell me what will you do when Obama has been in office a few years, and Gitmo is still open, and Iraq is still occupied by US soldiers? The guy doesn't have the stomach to condemn racism and terrorism, much less carry out such political bombshells. You know that time will prove me right (if he beats McCain anyway).

I guess you'll then have to ask yourselves what your ideal country is if not the one you're living in right now. Nah. You'll just forget his campaign promises and focus your rhetoric on his 2012 Republican challenger.