well for me it is now 92421 dps with haste 1.55 > crit 1.39 = mastery 1.31
simed it twice, rating were a little bit different but priority keeps the same. might try higher iteration number

you should try simming it fo yourself and print reforge plot. you switched from heavy mastery to heavy haste but if you look at the graphs haste and mastery are fairly equal sometimes haste is on top sometimes mastery.so you should reforge in small steps and check what results you get.

for me everything should be relative equal http://eu.battle.net/wow/de/characte...ebria/advanced
not sure if it is the best solution but I thougt eb is giving me haste crit or mastery so this is perfect and on some bosses I switch to elemental where haste is better but for add fights I use eb where mastery is better. as we started with hm recently this might change not sure.

and of course this was patchwork style but in reallity we don't have this. not sure what mode fits best here. heared they are rather perfect, any advice is welcome

So the difference, for the time investment, would not even be a 100 dps increase?

hmmm... could try it... how do you feel using PE instead of EB? :P

I love PE, personally. It makes the rotation muuuch simpler, it makes movement fights much less stressful, and it eliminates this weird juggling between mastery and haste weights. Last time I simmed the difference, it was less than 1k difference on patchwerk for me.

I love PE, personally. It makes the rotation muuuch simpler, it makes movement fights much less stressful, and it eliminates this weird juggling between mastery and haste weights. Last time I simmed the difference, it was less than 1k difference on patchwerk for me.

Most armories I checked, Elementals used EB while totally not giving a fuck about Mastery > Haste. Talking about near BiS armories.

Originally Posted by Socialhealer

he wants to play ele shaman but it's always fucked up, so it's a state of permanently insulted, i understand that feeling as an ele shaman.

Most armories I checked, Elementals used EB while totally not giving a fuck about Mastery > Haste. Talking about near BiS armories.

Yep, EB is theoretically better on patchwerk with perfect rotation maintenance, which is why everyone uses it. But it's like Arcane vs. Frost for mages. Frost is great and shines in certain circumstances, but because it's just barely lower in theory, everyone goes arcane anyway. PE is unquestionably better on fights with lots of movement and anything with a burn phase, and it's way easier.

Yep, EB is theoretically better on patchwerk with perfect rotation maintenance, which is why everyone uses it. But it's like Arcane vs. Frost for mages. Frost is great and shines in certain circumstances, but because it's just barely lower in theory, everyone goes arcane anyway. PE is unquestionably better on fights with lots of movement and anything with a burn phase, and it's way easier.

Do you use the 5% dmg channel spell of the primal elemental? If yes, is the glyph useful with that setup?

Originally Posted by Socialhealer

he wants to play ele shaman but it's always fucked up, so it's a state of permanently insulted, i understand that feeling as an ele shaman.

Do you use the 5% dmg channel spell of the primal elemental? If yes, is the glyph useful with that setup?

Nope. You let them attack. You have to do an inordinate amount of damage for your increase to outweigh the elemental's DPS. Something like 800k DPS, if I remember correctly. If I'm really worried about taking damage on a phase (like the final phase on H empress) I'll sometimes channel the earth ele buff, but I turn it off once I'm safe. I have a macro that, when clicked once, summons the earth ele and, when clicked twice, triggers his buff.

As far as the glyph goes, I'm guessing it can be useful in instances where the 3 minute CD lines up better with certain burn phases, but I haven't bothered to figure out which fights that would be.

I am very thankful for this thread, I have been going nuts thinking I was doing something wrong.
The first few weeks of the xpac I blindly reforged haste all the way thinking it was the way to do things however, just after xmas I ran some sims for my char (dont do it often) resulting in mastery > crit=haste (crit slightly better but nothing in it really). With this I went at the dummy for a good hour trying some different reforges and everytime mastery returning the higher dps, and with crit=haste virtually equal. It is also now unsurprising my raid dps has improved.