Basically it says support is fading for the idea of introducing a "safeguard" clause on immigration. General view seems to be that without any agreement from Brussels then such a clause would not be legal; in contravention of the bilaterals.

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Cameron could not get any concession on capping immigration into the UK during his EU negotiation and he was in a far stronger situation than we are to negotiate this point.

What did he actually get? It can't be much since I don't see Denmark, France or Ireland saying they will have to hold a referendum on treaty changes - always a good indication of a substantial change in the EU. Most likely the ever closer union exclusion will end up as a protocol to the treaty the next time a new member joins.

I can't find anything at all about national parliaments being able to veto EU law...

And even the benefits concession is dependent on an EU parliament vote which takes part after the UK vote

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What did he actually get? It can't be much since I don't see Denmark, France or Ireland saying they will have to hold a referendum on treaty changes - always a good indication of a substantial change in the EU. Most likely the ever closer union exclusion will end up as a protocol to the treaty the next time a new member joins.

I can't find anything at all about national parliaments being able to veto EU law...

And even the benefits concession is dependent on an EU parliament vote which takes part after the UK vote

"I can't find anything at all about national parliaments being able to veto EU law..." They cannot; hence the Swiss problem with trying to cap immigration.

Cameron said he would stay on to negotiate Britain’s exit from the EU if he loses the referendum. He said a similar thing before the Scottish independence referendum to ensure that his leadership did not become a distraction during the campaign. In private he wrote a resignation speech which he would have delivered if Scotland had voted to leave the EU.

Funny, I thought they were voting on whether to leave the UK or not. Expect better of the Guardian.

Why the need to negotiate the exit - if we vote out, we're out.

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Cameron said he would stay on to negotiate Britain’s exit from the EU if he loses the referendum. He said a similar thing before the Scottish independence referendum to ensure that his leadership did not become a distraction during the campaign. In private he wrote a resignation speech which he would have delivered if Scotland had voted to leave the EU.

Funny, I thought they were voting on whether to leave the UK or not. Expect better of the Guardian.

Why the need to negotiate the exit - if we vote out, we're out.

Why? It's basically the Daily Mail for the middle class. The Grauniad is, quite frankly, an awful broadsheet. Then again thats true of all the british press. Entertaining yes, newsworthy no.

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What did he actually get? It can't be much since I don't see Denmark, France or Ireland saying they will have to hold a referendum on treaty changes - always a good indication of a substantial change in the EU. Most likely the ever closer union exclusion will end up as a protocol to the treaty the next time a new member joins.

I can't find anything at all about national parliaments being able to veto EU law...

And even the benefits concession is dependent on an EU parliament vote which takes part after the UK vote

Didn't Blair once give up a ton of money to the EU on some vague promises that never materialised?

Cameron said he would stay on to negotiate Britain’s exit from the EU if he loses the referendum. He said a similar thing before the Scottish independence referendum to ensure that his leadership did not become a distraction during the campaign. In private he wrote a resignation speech which he would have delivered if Scotland had voted to leave the EU.

Funny, I thought they were voting on whether to leave the UK or not. Expect better of the Guardian.

Why the need to negotiate the exit - if we vote out, we're out.

"Why the need to negotiate the exit - if we vote out, we're out." I assume there are a lot contracts, deals, money payments which are in progress and next steps will need to be understood and agreed.

Look for example at the research program Horizon 2020 - - European Commission - here there are billions of euros in play....