Based on current NOAA data, it will take over 100 years to gain a foot of sea level rise.

At 2.77mm per year, we can only hope to see 8 x 2.77mm = 22.16mm or 0.072 foot (0.872 inches) rise by 2020. That’s not even close to Mayor Bloomberg’s claims. Note I’m being generous and using 8 years since 2013 isn’t even half over yet.

And, it really is easy to get freaked out if you don’t pay attention to anything but hype:

Can you really trust the data on mean sea level rise at NYC, Seems like NYC is sinking some from all the weight of structures, vehicles and people , Maybe that is why Bloomberg pushed so hard for smaller soft drinks sizes.
History of Glaciers on land masses when they melt away, the land rises. The reverse is happening with NTC now from the man made weight acting like a glacier pushing down on NYC?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-glacial_rebound

You gotta love the political BS : not a panel of scientists , but a panel of “expert” scientists,
who apparently met behind closed doors and provided unchallenged predictions based on who knows what. Also love the “will kick in” nonsense. Exactly what is going to trigger those “kick
in” conditions, I wonder?

“The bad weather patterns should kick in as early as 2020, according to the findings released on Monday.”
that is “wonderfull” news and of course … their catch22 …
if they would have said “by 2220”, they might have been right … but who would have cared ? … for our attention, they are ever obliged to say “in a not too distant future” … which will, unfortunately for them, very shortly wreck their forecasting reputation …
🙂

My impression – and it is just that – is that I am hearing the insistent “climate change is real” on an increasing frequency. It seems that the devotees are being reduced to this obdurate simple-minded mantra in the face of a loss of conviction in the general tone of commentary and response. To be reduced to this after dominating and dictating the “conversation” for so long is a social disaster, even as it reveals the actual intellectual content and capacity of these vegetables.

The objective of Bloombergs’ task force was to show the coming (CO2-driven) climate catastrophes, and by golly, they were able to do just that. Amazing what those GCMs can accomplish. Except showing what climate actually does, of course.

Latitude says:
June 11, 2013 at 8:35 am
People in the deep south must be dropping off like flies………..
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You think there’s a little Big Apple chauvinism in that crack about the “sweltering Deep south?”
People in New Yawk think that if you travel south of the Raritan River you are suddenly in Deliverance territory and start hearing banjo music. We don’t all live in the swamp and occasionally wear a shirt under our overalls.

As Joe Bastardi is warning that the next few years are analogue for the late 1950’s and to expect more landfalling storms along the East Coast, this is just Bloomberg in blame avoidance mode. The unsafe building in flood plains, poor building codes, lack of sea defenses (all the Mayor’s job) are not to blame it is ‘climate change’. Look I have this paper from ‘expert’ climate ‘scientists’.

I’m frankly amazed that a ‘panel of scientists’ would make a prediction about the avg temperature and the level of sea rise about a specific year (2020 1 ft sea level rise & avg temperature of 57F) with that degree of certitude. Who were these ‘scientists’? It boggles the mind that anyone with even a passing knowledge of sea level would claim that sea level will rise in any one locality by 12″ in 6.5 years.

As a former resident of southern Connecticut I can tell you that it is hotter there during heat waves in August than it is on the southwest coast of Florid, and that was many years ago. In addition, the wind would blow from the south over New Jersey and New York City picking up all the air pollution from there and dumping it in Connecticut creating an awful haze over New Haven. With only the dirty water of Long Island Sound to swim in, well, just some of the reasons I left. Perhaps the Mayor should concentrate on doing his job and leave the erroneous sea level rise predictions to the appropriate fear mongers like Gavin and Mike.

They need to raise taxes some more to reduce the population. Why do New Yorkers retire in the south? Global Warming Volunteers. How many southerners move North when they retire? With age comes wisdom for most of us.

Maybe Bloombergs administration cherry picked the panel much like the fireman’s radios sole source contracts (twice) & then amazingly the radios didn’t work (a second time) on 911 when they were told to get out of the buildings.

I have a prediction – in the next few years, those adhering to CAGW will increase with their scary and yet completely unfounded scenarios. Since there is a cooling going on, they will feel the need to deny it by overcompensation.

The only reason 108 degrees is going to become more common IN NYC is because of all the hot air coming out of people like Bloomberg.
And the “sweltering south”?? That has to be the dumbest “Eastern Snobbish” statement of all time. The same heat waves that heat the northern south “heat” the mid-west and the east coast, often with the temps being HIGHER in the north with even higher humidity’s. Florida is of course the exception – no NOT for temps, only humidity. Highest temp ever in Key West- 97, Miami- 100, Jacksonville- 103, Orlando- 101, Tampa- 99, highest ever in all of Florida- 109 IN 1931! Oh, and BTW, after a “sweltering” August day here in Florida, the temp will typically be the 70s by late evening… lots of luck with that in NYC!

And if it’s dry they’ll blame global warming too. When they fail they will push the earliest date to 2025 or 2030. No wonder calamastrologists love climate research. Good pay for crap results. Simply press enter and voila, a new paper is ready.

Continuiing from @njsnowfan ‘s point the post glacial rebound not only causes a land rise in the artic and far northern lattitudes but also a compensating (for constant volume) sinking of the moderate lattitudes land masses. Such is the case of Holland which has been defending the sinking land against the encroaching sea since the dunes were breached around 1260 CE, whereas Stockholm and northern Scandinavia are rising at a phenomenal rate relative to the sea. Venice too is on sinking ground where an apparent sea level rise has been noticed for centuries. I would logically assume that New York (at a lower lattitude than northern and central Europe sits pretty centrally on a sinking zone of the post glacial rebound and a tide gauge fixed to a local ground reference would naturally show an apparent sea level rise but most, if not all) of it is the land subsiding.
The late great John Daly covered it comprehensively here http://www.john-daly.com/ges/msl-rept.htm

Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7 says:
June 11, 2013 at 8:46 am
Let me guess — based on this alarming new report, Bloomberg wants to introduce a citywide “carbon tax” to help mitigate the effects of climate change?
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With the stupidity on display here I would say water rationing to help slow sea level rise is more appropriate.

I dont know which skit is more applicable to the nonsense here, SNL with Will Ferrel hosting Jeopardy with Sean Connery, French Stewart and Burt “Turd Ferguson” Reynolds, or Monty Pythons Upper Class Twit of the year
Look at what you see here, its across the board and it has nothing to do with reality. They bust on the lies of man caused warming and we get climate change. How about Health Care. all of us knew the premiums werent going down for people that actually pay for it. We know the data. Its a common thread with all these issues.
NYC has always been under a threat of a 1938 storm coming 100 miles west and turning the Hamptons surge into the Battery. That has been a common thread of almost every hurricane conference I attend. The have built in areas that was swamp in the 1950s. The threat was not as great in the cold amo, but with the warming, guess what, we have 5-10 years with higher than average risk.. in fact we have gotten off easy on the east coast compared to the 1950s.
I can’t tell if these people really believe what they say, are ignorant of the facts, of they know it and lie. Any way they are wrong again, yet like so many other things not weather related they dont care. They know by the time the average schmoe catches up with it, the horse is out of the barn. I hate to bring this up, but its not about science, if it was we wouldnt have driveled away 17 years of this nations chance to advance. This issue is the tip of an iceberg that will sink the nation and what you and I love most, the weather, climate, nature is being prostituted by these guys for something that has nothing to do with reality

JustMaybe says June 11, 2013 at 9:40 am
Maybe Bloombergs administration cherry picked the panel much like the fireman’s radios sole source contracts (twice) & then amazingly the radios didn’t work (a second time) on 911 when they were told to get out of the buildings.

The problem was ‘on scene’ radios carried by individual firemen meant to communicate with the other members of the squad or the on-scene commander of an incident (using simplex frequencies locally as opposed to repeaters/infrastructure ‘relay’ and support equipment, or ‘towers’ in consumer-speak) were “insufficient to the task”.
When all of Manhattan’s responders turned-out for that single ‘incident’ THAT (on scene comms) became a problem. The 800 MHz trunked systems used that day (for dispatch of fire apparatus and commander coordination, logistics, etc.) did fine, it was local-incident comms that broke down …
.

kellyhaughton says:
June 11, 2013 at 9:22 am
“Did you guys see the New York Times article saying that climate change is “dominated by natural variability”? Wonder if Bloomberg saw it today.”
Talk of Natural Variability is now commonplace. Does anyone remember when Trenberth called for reversing the Null Hypothesis? There was a time when no Alarmist or fellow traveler would so much as consider natural variability.
WUWT deserves a large portion of the credit for bringing about this change.

Hello? Mayor Bloomberg? Could we please meet this “panel of expert scientists?” We have a few questions to ask.
No? And we should not think of stinking FOI requests? You don’t need no stinking badges? Dear me, Mayor Bloomberg! Calm down!

Are we going to find out any names of the ‘expert panel of scientists’? Are we going to get any information on how they came to all the conclusions they came too? Its amazing all the people at the nydailynews.com and twitter that believe all this; with no names, no data, no debate, no way to judge for themselves, they just believe it!
What happened to ‘think for yourself question authority’?

I agree with Bastardi.
These are ignorant people who propagate these fallacious claims because it it is what they were told to believe. There is no independent thought here whatever.
Try this NY Times piece…http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/11/science/earth/what-to-make-of-a-climate-change-plateau.html?_r=0
What a bunch of unintellectual dribble. This author likely has no idea that we are currently in an ice age with periodic glaciations.
The incredible lack of factual awareness of this self-appointed class of supposed world-class “news” authors is mind numbing.
These people should be banned to the mimeograph machine with hand distribution on street corners to propagate this misplaced propaganda (not thought).

Watched the entire live news conf. Not sure exactly how many time the word SADNY came up but it was used in almost every sentence/paragraph and in the videos they showed.
So Mayor is using/Blaming SANDY on Climate Change because the entire news conference Sandy was mentioned over and over again.

@njsnowfan says June 11, 2013 at 11:47 am
Watched the entire live news conf. Not sure exactly how many time the word SANDY [corrected _Jim] came up …

How many times did the word ‘engineering’ or ‘sea wall’ come up?
Subway ‘Flood Protection’ barriers or doors?
Who did they mention would pay for all this?
Or was this just the announcement of their ‘long-ball play’ and all their eggs are being strategically placed in the “CO2 mitigation” / ‘climate-change-will-be-prevented’ (hope and pray) basket?
.

As long as Tmin is included in AGW calculations there will be AGW.
I’d be very interested in site trends of temp readings versus lights out sky glow trends. Seems the warmists have forgotten that differences are not linear in their response.

Wow, now that’s progress. It is getting hotter in a city that is mostly paved than it was when it was less paved.
So… this means that Bloomberg and his panel of experts have confirmed that the UHI treatment that Hansen and the others at GISS-New York have applied to the USHCN is bogus? Does it mean that they admit there is a huge temperature difference between a 90% paved area in a humid climate and enough multi-story structures to interfere horizontal wind flow so the only circulation is drawing warm air from other paved areas?
Or does it mean something else more convenient? Enquiring minds want to know.

The “Climate change is real” comment should simply be restated as; ‘Brawndo has electrolytes’. It’s just more obtuse, repetitive nonsense that has been the hallmark of the green political movement as a whole. The movement is now a sad, unscientific marketing campaign that is being put to a slow death.

Why is Bloomberg ignoring Gothamite (Gothamian? Gothaman? Gothamer? Gothamist?) Hansen’s dead-certain sea level predictions?
Hansen foretells more than 176 mm/year starting this year.
Bloomberg candy-coats the gloom down to 43 mm/year starting this year.
Meanwhile, sea level rise in Gotham trundles along at <3 mm/year.
Every passing year will only make these predictions worse than we think today.

Love how they use a wonderfully sited thermometer above an asphalt parking lot to say “see what we have to look forward to?” I went through the last several years of official Central Park temperature records for June-August and can’t find anything close to 108F.

Nothing to do with climate or climate change w/the little guy, except as a way to phony up excuses to protect his investments.
Follow the money. Might be that Bloomy has financial stakes in real estate along the Jersey shore, Long Island, Manhattan, and perhaps in the construction companies who will build the NYC dikes.
Always better to use other people’s money (as in us foolish taxpayers) to insure your investments, and to bail you out when you’ve built on a flood plain, barrier islands, hurricane territory, and other places where you’re certain to incur losses from a natural disaster.

Yikes! With predictions like those, it makes me think one of their primary sources was this:
Isn’t there a point where people start getting suspicious that they’ve crossed into the realm of science fantasy instead of a real possibility?
And really, if you can tolerate lots of humidity, the Deep South really isn’t all that bad compared to the Great Plains or the Desert Southwest when it comes to summer temp extremes.

Joseph Bastardi says:
June 11, 2013 at 10:43 am
I dont know which skit is more applicable to the nonsense here, SNL with Will Ferrel hosting Jeopardy with Sean Connery, French Stewart and Burt “Turd Ferguson” Reynolds, or Monty Pythons Upper Class Twit of the year
Look at what you see here, its across the board and it has nothing to do with reality. They bust on the lies of man caused warming and we get climate change. How about Health Care. all of us knew the premiums werent going down for people that actually pay for it. We know the data. Its a common thread with all these issues.
NYC has always been under a threat of a 1938 storm coming 100 miles west and turning the Hamptons surge into the Battery. That has been a common thread of almost every hurricane conference I attend. The have built in areas that was swamp in the 1950s. The threat was not as great in the cold amo, but with the warming, guess what, we have 5-10 years with higher than average risk.. in fact we have gotten off easy on the east coast compared to the 1950s.I can’t tell if these people really believe what they say, are ignorant of the facts, of they know it and lie. Any way they are wrong again, yet like so many other things not weather related they dont care. They know by the time the average schmoe catches up with it, the horse is out of the barn. I hate to bring this up, but its not about science, if it was we wouldnt have driveled away 17 years of this nations chance to advance. This issue is the tip of an iceberg that will sink the nation and what you and I love most, the weather, climate, nature is being prostituted by these guys for something that has nothing to do with reality

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People use whatever comes along to promote their own personal gain or a personal goal they believe in, even if that goal may not be reached in their lifetime. Is the goal to give people a choice or to force them to accept what the “elite” have chosen for them?

I noticed that the Sydney Morning Herlad ran the Bloomberg story yesterday. Its amazing that they don’t publish skeptic articles that are basred on real scientific data and good scientific process yet print rubbish like this that has no base in reality.

Latitude says:
June 11, 2013 at 8:35 am
People in the deep south must be dropping off like flies………..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Actually we are freezing are A… Donkeys off. It STILL has not reached 90F (32C) and I had to put the blanket back on the bed. May highs were about 5F below average and 10F below what they were ten years ago. (Highs were 89F for the May monthly avg in 2004 vs 77F in 2013 STILL in the 60’s at night.)
My electric bill (A/C) has dropped like a rock.

Chad Wozniak says:
June 11, 2013 at 9:10 am
How much do you want to bet that that 108-degree sign was heated?
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Note the temp sensor is right at the signs heat exhaust port… Got to love the tales these idiots like to tell…

Staten-John says:
June 11, 2013 at 11:59 am
Global warming is the real deal folks!
“The deniers will be washed away when Sandy II comes….kind of a rude baptism.”
There are Deniers in NYC? Could have fooled me. They must keep a very low profile. There is more public dissent in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia than in NYC.

I am moving to New York and I can report that up-state New York is COLD right now. Colder than many people have experienced. I was there spring break and the jetty out into Lake Ontario was still covered with ice at the end of it.
Maybe my presence there will warm things up.

Plain Richard, if you believe that Hizzoner Bloomberg has intentions motivated by public service I have a bridge to sell you; it happens to be in NYC.
As far as I can tell from mostly reading, and not contributing, WUWT doesn’t say anything. A number of very intelligent critical thinking individuals do comment.
But you raise a good question: why is “New Orleans (i.e. — we) building better protection” when a good chunk of it is already below sea level. Are there no other better places to live? Especially if you’ve already been flooded out. Seems like maybe the higher IQ option than “no action” is to move to higher ground? If people want to stay, it’s their choice. Just don’t burden the rest of us with your bad decisions. Like Boston’s “big dig”, New Yorkers will be happy to share the cost burden with all of us, and Bloomy will be happy to reap the personal financial benefits.

Who wants to bet Bloomberg is positioning himself to financially profit from all the climate doom & gloom? Al Gore tried and failed. Let’s hope the same thing happens to this megalomaniac.
ONE MONTH AGO – Bill Clinton and Bloomberg unveil ‘climate risk’ projecthttp://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/bill-clinton-bloomberg-unveil-climate-risk-project-214502570.html
quote:
The project will be run through C40, a coalition of major cities around the world that united to study the impact of climate change on their municipalities. The group, chaired by Bloomberg, merged two years ago with the Clinton Climate Initiative—an offshoot of Clinton’s philanthropic foundation. Known as the C40 Risk Assessment Framework, the “climate risk” project, as Bloomberg referred to it, would develop a consistent set of measures by which cities could assess their risk of a natural disaster, including hurricanes and floods.
on Bloomberg’s website (mikebloomberg.com) the press release states the goal of the program is to:
quote:
– Enable cities to assess local climate risks with confidence
– Allow for local prioritizing of investments to mitigate those risks
– Achieve comparability between cities
– Enable banks to better structure * lending * for resilient infrastructure, and the develop standards for accessing adaptation-linked finance
– Enable * insurance companies * to value risk in a uniform way, ensuring continued investment in urban infrastructure
His group will push for extreme weather / natural disasters risk assessments for major world cities to be based on the most alarmist prediction models circulating among climate change activists-scientists and he will find a way to make a lot of money with this. How exactly I’m not sure but if there’s a financial reporter not working for Bloomberg’s news agency reading this, I think you got a story to investigate.

Its not a case of dont do anything, its a case of doing now, what they should have done years ago to protect themselves from realistic threats. spending 20bil and not getting the right things done in a timely matter is a travesty. Not to diminish the pain that NYC went through but super storm sandy was hardly a superstorm. It could have been significantly worse. Anyone who has lived in south florida or along the gulf coast can attest to the potential of a regular every day hurricane. If sandy had been a Wilma, Andrew or a Katrina or worse 1938 there wouldnt be a NYC right now.

@Joe Bastardi –
Well said.
One might be tempted to wonder if the carbon tax lovers have ever considered the number of people their fetish is going to kill, and what else it will destroy. By some accounts carbon taxes have killed as many as 36,000 people in Europe during the past three winters, and destroiyed 75,000 jobs in Australia (proportionately would be 1,875,000 jobs in the US). H0wever, I think they have thought this through, and those deaths and unemployment and general misery is exactly what they want most – to punish the US for its impertinence in having achieved something in spite of them,
I am convinced that all the AGW crowd, all the way up to der Fuehrer himself, harbor a visceral hatred for this country and are looking for some sort of revenge. Der Fuehrer’s atttitude was so well summed up in “Rev.” Jeremiah Wright’s “God Damn America.”

Bloomie probably never looked a a map of the Hudson when Ole Henry sailed up it in the 1600’s.
If he did he’d see that half of the World Trade Center would have been in the river.
Sandy-no worse (weather wise) than the 1938 hurricane or the one that washed away Hog island in the 1890’s.
NYC is probably the biggest UHI on the planet

While I thoroughly believe that Sandy may have been the worst disaster in American History, resulting in four more years of Obama, the UHI chart is bogus. Unless there is some demonstrated correlation showing that increased population causes a specific amount of heating per person, the alignment of population and temperature is an artifact of setting the graphic units.

Plain Richard says:
June 11, 2013 at 4:22 pm “
Don’t make stuff up. The post deflates this: “The bad weather patterns should kink in as early as 2020 . . . ” Also, there is the 1 foot rise of seal level in 7 years and 10% more rainfall.
Go back and read all the WUWT posts about the storm Sandy. Or the storms before that. Go drive around in some of those flooded areas. Just don’t blame others for the stupendously stupid politicians and developers in the NYC region.

Mark Besse (@MarkB1205) says:
June 11, 2013 at 9:33 pm
If you mean 4 more years of BO as the worst disaster in American History, that is likely true. If you mean the storm Sandy then you probably have not visited Galveston or know of its “Great Storm.”http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1900_Galveston_hurricane

The flooding risk from hurricanes hitting land is real as the weather cycle is again like the 1950-1970’s when more hurricanes came up the east coast but ” summers as sweltering as the deep South ” and the” bad weather patterns sould kick in as early as 2020″ is pure exaggeration in my opinion. By 2020 they should be more concerned about the cold winters. The 2012/2013 winter is just a start of what is coming soon.

The NY Deputy mayor said”
Although the study was done to help prevent the kind of widespread damage that occurred during Sandy, Holloway said the city doesn’t expect a similar storm. “An exact replica of Sandy is highly unlikely,” he said
The exact replica of Sandy may not happen , but the increased odds of more strong hurricanes coming up the US East Coast and making land is real. If the climate cools , there will likely be more La Nina or Neutral hurricane seasons . Hurricane archives indicate that these in turn mean stronger and more hurricanes which tend to come up the US East Coast like they did in the 1950’s when 9 such hurricanes came up the US East Coast and made land. I think it is time NY look at elevating their buildings and homes along the coastal regions like other regions further south are doing

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