My 4th gt grandfather was Rev.George Armstrong born circa 1760. He married Charlotte Besnard dtr of Julius Caesar Besnard, French Huguenot. I think his mother was Margaret Irvine married to Philip Armstrong (??) My other 3gt gfr was Henry Lindsey of Cork originally of County Down. I believe they were originally Border Reivers until outlawed by James I of Eng. and power of clans was broken in 1603. I have some info on these people if anyone wants it. Lorra www.radleysofcork.bigpondhosting.com

Peter Reilly born ninth June 1859 Belturbet, son of John Reilly, labourer, and Mary Reilly formerly Gillice. Registered Belturbet, Co Cavan on 17th June 1889.
That is exactly as shown in the Register. The mother was GILLEECE, but registered as GILLICE.
I've posted this entry (a) as a surprise for my friend, (b) to illustrate how surnames become corrupted by Registrars who spell them Phonetically.
Viola
Sent from my iPad

Hello Margaret Barnes
My 3rd Great grandparents are John F FERGUSON (born about 1794 died 28 March 1852 in Enniskillen, Fermanagh) married Jane MORROW (born 1796 Dungannon, Tyrone, Northern Ireland died Felltimber Creek, Victoria, Australia 13 Aug 1870). Most of their 11 children were born in or around Enniskillen, Fermanagh. She came to Victoria on the Ship Gypsy Bride in March 1857 following some of her children ie daughter Jane FERGUSON and bringing some with her. Jane Morrow is the daughter of George MORROW and Jane CAMERON from County Tyrone. Through DNA testing I know there was a sister Catherine MORROW born 1802 who married a Lyth PRIESTMAN in Armagh, Northern Ireland and then went to Canada.
I wonder if there are other siblings of George MORROW and Jane CAMERON from County Tyrone. Perhaps they also married and headed for County Fermanagh.
Regards
Sheryl Campbell
Western Australia
4. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLDFERGUSON and MORROW (Margaret Barnes)
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Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2018 16:17:26 +1000
From: Margaret Barnes <barnes.margaret(a)gmail.com>
Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: FERMANAGH-GOLDFERGUSON and MORROW
To: Fermanagh List <fermanagh-gold(a)rootsweb.com>
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Hullo Sheryl,
Who are the Morrows you are looking for?
Do you have information regarding townlands etc.
Margaret in Oz
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Hi Marge,
I can post directly to FG, but not reply. If I reply to a post, it goes
to the person who posted but not the list.
I have tried twice to email you directly but both failed. Gremlins again!
Eilish

Yesterday as I drove home from the office, there was a segment on National Public Radio concerning the DNA websites and the Golden State Killer. The website that was used was DNA GEDCOM. They do not do the tests but they are a free repository that people who are interested can upload their test results to find further matches from. It is free and public. Looks like someone in his family uploaded their results.
Ancestry and 23andMe have made statements that they did not provide their databases to the police. Who knows if they would if presented with a subpoena or search warrant.
GEDMatch stayed their website is public and it is clearly stated in their Site Policy. Anyone who requires absolute privacy should not use their website and should delete their DNA.
Reading the statement of the detectives it appears the match was done at a fairly distant level - great-great-great grandparent level. It was very Industrious on the part of the detectives.
Interesting as one thinks of their DNA as unique to us and our own property but clearly it has implications to all our relatives - distant and close- once we post it in the public domain.
Another challenge for Privacy Law advocates across the world.
Catherine
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> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2018 10:42:08 +1000
> From: Margaret Barnes <barnes.margaret(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: Genealogical Websites, DNA & the Golden
> State Killer
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> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2018 20:54:46 -0400
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> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: More Galloon Records added to IGPArchives
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> Does anyone have a record of everyone buried there?
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> Sent: Thu, Apr 26, 2018 2:42 pm
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> Hi Christina,
>
> Regarding Clones Parish, do you know if anyone has photographed the
> entire graveyard? Only seems to be about 7 selected photographs :
>
> http://igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/monaghan/photos/tombstones/monaghan-cl...
>
>
> Clive
>
>> On 26.04.2018 14:11, Christina Hunt wrote:
>>
>> Also check out additional Baptisms for the Parish of Clones:
>> http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/monaghan/clones.htm
>> Norm Prince has been working on transcribing the baptisms.
>>
>> So, a lot to check out :)
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>> All the best,
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> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2018 19:18:43 -0700
> From: "Jack Fallin" <jakff(a)astound.net>
> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Digest, Vol 14, Issue 119; DNA and the Golden
> State Killer
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> Hey David,
>
> We can expect to see a lot of this sort of publicity. I would imagine that they searched for Y-DNA matches (perhaps by just signing on using the crime Y-DNA as that of a customer). With matches in hand they likely split it geographically and looked hard at families in roughly the right locations. Still, it was a shot in the dark because, compared with the overall population, very few people have actually tested.
>
> What the quoted story doesn’t include, as some do, is that they then captured some actual DNA from the suspect and that’s what is going to convict him. The DNA used by the FBI and others is a different test from any offered by the commercial companies. It’s essentially an STR test that tests fast changing locations on autosomal chromosomes. Because the locations change quickly they are poor candidates for the kind of long-range connections genealogists are looking for - but they are precisely what is needed to pinpoint a single individual.
>
> The quote from a “public defender” (i.e. a defense attorney paid by the state) that “[p]eople who submit DNA for ancestors testing are unwittingly becoming genetic informants on their innocent family,” is just silly - it’s the positive identification through fast changing STR sites that will convict a person, not the slow system genealogists use. Finding criminals like this one benefits all of us, and those who contributed deserve credit for ‘unwittingly’ helping to capture a monster.
>
> Jack Fallin
> Walnut Creek, CA
>
>> On Apr 27, 2018, at 5:02 PM, fermanagh-gold-request(a)rootsweb.com wrote:
>>
>> Today's Topics:
>>
>> 4. Genealogical Websites, DNA & the Golden State Killer (DSA2003)
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2018 08:01:56 +0800
>> From: DSA2003 <dsa2003(a)iinet.net.au>
>> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Genealogical Websites, DNA & the Golden State
>> Killer
>> To: Fermanagh Gold <fermanagh-gold(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Message-ID: <5B5405DB9F944887A51FE4CCF35DB377@DavidHP>
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>> G’day everyone
>>
>> Over recent years, there’s been a lot of talk about DNA on FG, so I thought that members may be interested in this story about the recent arrest of the “Golden State Killer” in San Francisco.
>>
>> < https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/04/27/golden-state-killer-caught-us... >
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> David Armstrong
>>
>> Maylands
>> Western Australia
>>
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> ------------------------------
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> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2018 16:17:26 +1000
> From: Margaret Barnes <barnes.margaret(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: FERMANAGH-GOLDFERGUSON and MORROW
> To: Fermanagh List <fermanagh-gold(a)rootsweb.com>
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> Hullo Sheryl,
>
> Who are the Morrows you are looking for?
>
> Do you have information regarding townlands etc.
>
> Margaret in Oz
>
>
>
>
> End of FERMANAGH-GOLD Digest, Vol 14, Issue 120
> ***********************************************

Hey David,
We can expect to see a lot of this sort of publicity. I would imagine that they searched for Y-DNA matches (perhaps by just signing on using the crime Y-DNA as that of a customer). With matches in hand they likely split it geographically and looked hard at families in roughly the right locations. Still, it was a shot in the dark because, compared with the overall population, very few people have actually tested.
What the quoted story doesn’t include, as some do, is that they then captured some actual DNA from the suspect and that’s what is going to convict him. The DNA used by the FBI and others is a different test from any offered by the commercial companies. It’s essentially an STR test that tests fast changing locations on autosomal chromosomes. Because the locations change quickly they are poor candidates for the kind of long-range connections genealogists are looking for - but they are precisely what is needed to pinpoint a single individual.
The quote from a “public defender” (i.e. a defense attorney paid by the state) that “[p]eople who submit DNA for ancestors testing are unwittingly becoming genetic informants on their innocent family,” is just silly - it’s the positive identification through fast changing STR sites that will convict a person, not the slow system genealogists use. Finding criminals like this one benefits all of us, and those who contributed deserve credit for ‘unwittingly’ helping to capture a monster.
Jack Fallin
Walnut Creek, CA
> On Apr 27, 2018, at 5:02 PM, fermanagh-gold-request(a)rootsweb.com wrote:
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> 4. Genealogical Websites, DNA & the Golden State Killer (DSA2003)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2018 08:01:56 +0800
> From: DSA2003 <dsa2003(a)iinet.net.au>
> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Genealogical Websites, DNA & the Golden State
> Killer
> To: Fermanagh Gold <fermanagh-gold(a)rootsweb.com>
> Message-ID: <5B5405DB9F944887A51FE4CCF35DB377@DavidHP>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> G’day everyone
>
> Over recent years, there’s been a lot of talk about DNA on FG, so I thought that members may be interested in this story about the recent arrest of the “Golden State Killer” in San Francisco.
>
> < https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/04/27/golden-state-killer-caught-us... >
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> David Armstrong
>
> Maylands
> Western Australia
>
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Eilish has asked me to let you know that she has responded to all of you who have answered her, but her emails are not getting through.
So I am letting you know that Eilish thanks all of you for your help.
We are working on this.
Slán,
Marge in Southern California
Searching:
Golden, Sullivan, Kelly, Shea, O'Connor in Kerry and Connecticut
Fee, Cassidy, Gilbride in Fermanagh, Cavan and Connecticut
Lynch in Kildare, Limerick and Connecticut
Walsh, Stackpole, Garry, Donovan, Doyle, Clowney/Clooney, King in Kildare

FTDNA Tests
Searching Armstrong, Davis Late Roll call
Hi All
I have just looked in to this site and wish to purchase some kits, I know
some of you have done this can you please advise as to which would be best
to start off with.
Jan
> From: Jane Dixon Anderson
> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 11:40 AM
> Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD test - eilish
>
> I bought 4 kits last week from the FTDNA website. This is the 3rd time
> I'vtried to post this message to FG, so I'm not putting their email
> address in. But it is basically FTDNA dot com (use a . and no spaces).
> 😉
>
>
> - Jane
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Forwarded on behalf of Jane Dixon Anderson by request as she tried posting it a few times but failed.
> To: Viola Wiggins
> From: Jane Dixon Anderson
> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 11:40 AM
> Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD test - eilish
>
> I bought 4 kits last week from the FTDNA website. This is the 3rd time I'vtried to post this message to FG, so I'm not putting their email address in. But it is basically FTDNA dot com (use a . and no spaces). 😉
>
>
> - Jane
>
>
> From: Dee Byster-Graham <deebg(a)bigpond.net.au>
> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 6:33 AM
> To: 'This list is for those researching their ancestors in Fermanagh and surrounding counties in Ireland'
> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: FERMANAGH-GOLDtest - eilish
>
> Hi Eilish,
>
> That is a pain! Hope you get through soon. It sounds like they may have gone out of business, 4 days is a long time to not man the phone.
> My daughter Joanne bought me one from Ancestry, and one for herself, about 2 months ago. We finally managed to mail yesterday, the delay was due to the radium treatment - Ancestry advised to wait the three months.
> It was the basic test they have I think, and I shall redo it later to more markers probably with another organization. It will be fun to have, not expecting any surprises.
> Jo so excited as she bought it as a gift for me.
>
> Good luck, lets know what happens.
>
> Dee.
>
>
>
> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: FERMANAGH-GOLDtest - eilish
>
> Hi,
> Until April 28 there is a sale on at FTDNA for several tests.
> I'd like to buy one but no-one there is answering the emails that I and
> a friend have sent them, and although they say they take PayPal, there
> is no provision online for doing so.
>
> Also I tried ringing them from Australia and the line provided on their
> website is unconnected. A friend and I both want to buy 4 tests between
> us but can't believe no-one there has now answered our separate
> inquiries in four days. Has anyone else had trouble contacting FTDNA?
> (Not living in the US doesn't help!
>
> We also looked at 23 and me, and they have a fabulous service, and
> respond almost immediately but the prices at FTDNA are very good,
> otherwise I'd drop them.
> Any thoughts appreciated. We only have till Saturday to purchase, and my
> other option is to sit up till 1 am and ring them but as the line is
> disconnected, that is pointless. Help!
>
> Eilish
>
> On 26/04/2018 10:23 AM, Eilish Gmail wrote:
> > To post a message to the Fermanagh-Gold mailing list, send an email to
> > fermanagh-gold(a)rootsweb.com.

Hi, Eilish, the phone number for familytreedna.com is 713-868-1438. They are on Central Time which is 2 hours different from Eastern Standard Time in the US. Their hours are M-Th 9-4:30 and Friday 9-12, 1-4:30 p.m. (apparently closed from noon to 1 p.m. on Friday). (So when it is 9 a.m. in New York, it is only 7 a.m. in Houston, Texas, where familytreedna is.) I think they are the best company. Some of the others, like ancestrydna.com do not test yDNA nor mtDNA. Good luck. Shirley
---------- Original Message ----------
From: Eilish Gmail <eilish7(a)gmail.com>
To: fermanagh-gold(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: FERMANAGH-GOLDtest - eilish
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 20:10:01 +1000
Hi,
Until April 28 there is a sale on at FTDNA for several tests.
I'd like to buy one but no-one there is answering the emails that I and
a friend have sent them, and although they say they take PayPal, there
is no provision online for doing so.
Also I tried ringing them from Australia and the line provided on their
website is unconnected. A friend and I both want to buy 4 tests between
us but can't believe no-one there has now answered our separate
inquiries in four days. Has anyone else had trouble contacting FTDNA?
(Not living in the US doesn't help!
We also looked at 23 and me, and they have a fabulous service, and
respond almost immediately but the prices at FTDNA are very good,
otherwise I'd drop them.
Any thoughts appreciated. We only have till Saturday to purchase, and my
other option is to sit up till 1 am and ring them but as the line is
disconnected, that is pointless. Help!
Eilish
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This is no surprise :)
I thought I would mention that I heard lists with little or no activity are in
danger of being dropped. If you have a favorite list that is quiet - you might
want to post a message or two.
Congrats on being the number 1 list!
Christina
fermanagh-gold-request(a)rootsweb.com wrote:
> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2018 23:00:55 -0400
> From: Marge in SoCal<eireannslass(a)dslextreme.com>
> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLDWE ARE NUMBER 1
> To: fermanagh-gold<fermanagh-gold(a)rootsweb.com>
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> We are right on top, but I warn you Irl-Kerry is giving us a run for our money. I haven't been able to keep up with them this weekend.

Hello:
I have such a small connection to Fermanagh, but do enjoy and learn so much from this list. I usually just lurk around.
Now I am wondering if someone can help me with a query of some of my Sligo ancestors. I keep running into two families living in the same area, in fact in the 1901 and 1911 census seem to be living beside each other. They came from the same area since registration began – my problem – one was Church of Ireland, and the other Roman Catholic.
What is the chance that the RC one changed to that religion when he married?
Any help would be appreciated.
Thank you
Eleanor

Just this out:
https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/
We are right on top, but I warn you Irl-Kerry is giving us a run for our money. I haven't been able to keep up with them this weekend.
Slán,
Marge in Southern California
Searching:
Golden, Sullivan, Kelly, Shea, O'Connor in Kerry and Connecticut
Fee, Cassidy, Gilbride in Fermanagh, Cavan and Connecticut
Lynch in Kildare, Limerick and Connecticut
Walsh, Stackpole, Garry, Donovan, Doyle, Clowney/Clooney, King in Kildare

Marge & DeLories, 2 surnames caught my eye "Hurst and Sproule”. I have some information of a Hurst family that settled from Ireland to the Simcoe area of Ontario Canada. These Hursts have a Canada connection with the Stevensons of Fermanagh of Whitby Ontario who then moved to the Simcoe area. There was a later Sproule intermarriage I think.
> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2018 10:22:55 -0400
> From: Marge in SoCal <eireannslass(a)dslextreme.com>
> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLDSent on behalf of DeLories Robinson-Vaughn -
> Hurst, Mcready(Mcreedy) and Sproul(e)
> To: fermanagh-gold <fermanagh-gold(a)rootsweb.com>
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> In Fermanagh, my ancestors are from: Irvinestown, Enniskillen, Doora of Ederny Drumadraghy and Kesh.
> Surnames are: Hurst, Mcready(Mcreedy) and Sproul(e)
> I have search a lot to find what cemeteries they are buried in. Actually, any info that I can obtain would be a treasure.
>
> DeLories

In Fermanagh, my ancestors are from: Irvinestown, Enniskillen, Doora of Ederny Drumadraghy and Kesh.
Surnames are: Hurst, Mcready(Mcreedy) and Sproul(e)
I have search a lot to find what cemeteries they are buried in. Actually, any info that I can obtain would be a treasure.
DeLories
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2018 12:20:55 +1000
From: Margaret Barnes <barnes.margaret(a)gmail.com>
Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLDRe: roll call quinn and Wilkins
To: Fermanagh List <fermanagh-gold(a)rootsweb.com>
Message-ID: <E6DB69C5-52E4-4AA6-8E46-F3EE4156689B(a)gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Margaret you may already have had your question answered but the connection between Templecarne and Fermanagh is that the Parish of Templecarne covers part of Fermanagh on its east and part of Co. Donegal on its west.
I hope this makes sense.
Margaret in Oz.
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2018 14:22:16 +1000
From: Margaret Barnes <barnes.margaret(a)gmail.com>
Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLDRe: Roll Call
To: Fermanagh List <fermanagh-gold(a)rootsweb.com>
Message-ID: <748F96BA-D945-4FC3-98AD-5DA35BA4DCF1(a)gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hullo Dianne,
Which company did you test with? As you will remember I believe Jamed Bedad was my gggg uncle and I would be interested
to see if we have any matches.
Kind regards,
Margaret in Oz.

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