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Well, it really is a pity that I didn't book to review this in time. I also happen to be working on a article that allowed me to research into an area vaguely related to this, and no, I'm not going to whore it, but you'll probably be seeing it shortly. Anyway, just want to remark that the resemblance of the Vatican church to the mafia is uncanny, and even more so historically. Remember the good old days when the Vatican Church actually assassinated people, and power struggles involving various underhanded methods were not uncommon among the clergy vying for Papacy, the most notorious being Boniface VII. They were famed for their corruption, and you may also have heard of the Borgias who were most Mafia-like in their means and methods. Cesare Borgia, illegitimate son of Pope Alexander VI, himself was a cardinal, until he gave that up in favour of more direct plundering and pillaging. Anyway, great article. ~04:02, Mar 3, 2010

Hi HH. Thanks, appreciated, and feel free to leave any criticism or suggestions for changing the piece. I'll look forward to your page, and we can link them in heaven's storage room. The Holy Roman Empire has never left, according to most "experts", but lives in the tag-team of the Church and the Guys. Hand in hand thoughout mid-to recent history. Much I know, but you've educated me here, and I'll have to research Boniface. Possibly the clearest entertainment coverage of this was Godfather III, a film the critics and press chopped off at the knees, ifyaknowwhatImean, before it had a chance to become popular. Have you seen it? Moar research, thank for the history. ~ 13:28 3.3.mmx

P.S. I added in "Godfadda III", in the last q and a, thanks for shaking loose my memory of it by discussing the topic here.

wikipedia:Pope Julius II - Lead his own armies, and a brilliant schemer and manipulator of people. Even wikipedia thinks he bribed his way to popehood, among other things.

wikipedia:Pope Leo X - Sold "indulgences" to finance the building of St. Peter's Basilica. "Indulgences" are literally signed papers that the church sell to laypeople that will forgive them of all their sins. Selling "indulgences" was a practice that started well before Leo X, though. It was the selling of these things that prompted Martin Luther to do his "protesting", and beginnings of the Protestant Reformation. ~15:32, Mar 3, 2010

Thank you, just happened to log on again, and saw your note. This looks like a treasure trove of data, and perfect for this talk page. "Godfather III" is a good movie for this interest area, you may enjoy it. Very interested to see what your article is about. I'm not going to write much here, as this could end up to be a storehouse of data for others, will get back to you on our talk page later today. Until then, Al 16:04 same day

Read it a second time, and agreed with most of the things BF said. The first time I read it I couldn't tell that the beginning was supposed to be an introduction for Fadda Murphy, so it's a bit weak, and you might wanna do something about that. Also, if it weren't for this conversation here, I wouldn't have gotten the Godfather III reference. But the main thing I felt the first and second time reading it was that it wasn't hard-hitting enough (you know, for something that's actually happening in real life). Which was partially why I submitted all those data. Use them however you like, but it would be cool if you mentioned Martin Luther ruining the business or certain popes getting "whacked". ~11:38, Mar 4, 2010

Thanks, very helpful. I like the language you use, "ruining the business" and "getting whacked". Maybe all of this can come from another question on the page from someone asking about the whacked Popes, and I can work the Godfadda III reference in there. That's what's bad, ah, good about pee reviews and other users critiques, they expose more work to be done. Thanks again, ~ 14:21 4.3.2MX

I think the intro needed to explain why this speaker is known as 'Fadda John Murphy'. The intro should really say Father Murphy from ROme ..and then when Murphy starts, he refers to himself as Fadda Murphy and the rest of the article then follows. Saying all this,I am not sure I can vote for as I personally think your idea is good but as Fadda Murphy sounds to me more like Tony Soprano, perhaps a link there could have been made. Otherwise it all likes a bit like Oirish to me without explanation. --RomArtus*Imperator ® (Orate) 01:39, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

I read to about here "So Mortal sin, another slick or maybe da same guy dat designed da long-term louie......" and got really confused trying to make sense out of it.-- 14:22, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, give me a few minutes. I actually made up the term "long term louie" to describe the entire length of a scam. The overall plan. Will see what I can do to give the fadda some clarity. In the meantime, what's your take on "Godfather III" and the overall mafia connection with the Catholic church, you seem to have a wide knowledge base and if you have any references to add to this talk page it would help. Wanted to make it at least a tiny depository of the data. Thanks, Al, a few minutes later.

Much better! I'll finish reading in a bit.-- 15:31, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

The dialect is, or course, of Sicilian heritage mixed with a Brooklyn upbringing, mixed with a lifetime of experience of hanging out with the boys and breaking a few arms from time to time. (and you're trying hard to get someone besides me to notice who ya iz, ha ha ha ha hee hee hee hee, huh?)Aleister 15:17 12 11