Not being sarcastic, I was referring to the officer not recognizing the shotgun, and showing the tech a dept. AR what he thought was odd(the
similarity between a shotgun he initially thought was a rifle and an actual rifle). I based the theory on the fact it appears the tech takes the
shotgun(found in car) from the officer but returns the rifle to him. Hope I'm making some sense here.

why did this cop touch the weapon?surely crime scene investigators should have gathered evidence.DNA fingerprints would have opened new doors of
investigation.
americans should be putting these questions to the cops.if they found evidence after the cops touch the rifle it would be inadmissable in court.
or do they want to make people believe that everything is ok the shooter is dead we are all safe now?

Collecting DNA from a firearm is extremely rare, and they can eliminate the officers prints and DNA if need be. The evidence would still be admissible
as long as protocol was followed during the elimination process. Real life crime scene investigation isn't like what you see on CSI, its actually
much more complex and elimination of collecting officers contamination is allowed. Only the techs have to be extremely careful about contamination.

Not to mention it would be a waste of time and resources for a state already in a budget crisis. I think alot of the witness statements of two
shooters are due to accoustics. In an enclosed area gunshots tend to echo quite a bit and sound like they are coming from multiple positions

Oh there is absolutely reason to believe there was a second shooter.......over 2 hours of police radio coverage you hear them on a manhunt for more
suspects after they find a dead shooter in the school. BTW there is another video of them searching the trunk and that video looks like possibly 2
guns. The footage is bad but it is NBC so I am sure there is Hd footage of it somewhere.

You are absolutely right about that. It is common procedure to canvas an area as precautionary measure. The question on the amount of guns it is not
hard to imagine that he simply brought more with him. Common sense would dictate a second shooter wouldn’t put them back in the car afterward.
Police have probably ruled it out with the recovered casings at the scene and ballistics will be the determining factor. People need to just wait for
the official report. Too many people are impatient I would rather the police take their time and get it right. People are treating this like a game
with throwing half-baked ideas out seeing if something sticks. I think it would be respectful to those affected if a little common sense and decency
were used when doing so.

When I go to the tactical shooting course I carry 3 sidearms and 2 rifles to limit my reloads and cut my score and time. Using a tactical harness leg
holsters/ammo pouches and single point Y slings you can efficiently carry a large load of weapons and ammo and still be extremely mobile. Its all
about placement and weight distribution. In the amount of time he was in the school a professional or someone with even the slightest bit of training
could have done 10x the damage he did. My highest score on the course was 150 targets with a 98% "kill" rate in under 3 mins and I'm just a
hobbiest. Imagine what someone with real training could do in 10-15mins

Not being sarcastic, I was referring to the officer not recognizing the shotgun, and showing the tech a dept. AR what he thought was odd(the
similarity between a shotgun he initially thought was a rifle and an actual rifle). I based the theory on the fact it appears the tech takes the
shotgun(found in car) from the officer but returns the rifle to him. Hope I'm making some sense here.

Yes you make sense. As a civilian it seems an unlikely scenario, but I am a civilian and wouldn't know any SOP anyway. I like to think any law
enforcement would be at least as familiar with fire arms as a kid growing up in the 80's inundated with action movies and plenty of guns. But like I
said im just a civilian that likes to project my knowledge onto what i always thought were infinitely more knowledgable police men and woman. I do
realize it is unrealistic of me.

You have to remember these aren't big city cops, and not all cops are gun nuts. Not everyone is familiar with assault rifle style tactical shotguns.
The first time I ever saw a Saiga AK style I thought it was a .50cal AK variant til I looked at the markings and saw 12ga stamped on the receiver.

I know what you are saying I am ex-military and to me it seems kind of obvious the monster that did that didn’t need to be well trained to carry out
those murders. Honestly the gruesomeness of it tells me it was a sick individual. 11 shots in one child I heard. This did not sound like a
professional job at all it was complete overkill. I have heard some say it was execution style and have no idea where they get those ideas this did
not sound like a professional at all. It was a sick twisted psychotic person. Most of the people I have heard make statements like that seem to have
an active imagination with 0 knowledge or experience in these areas.

The only reason I wish he hadn’t killed himself is it would stop a lot of the wild ideas people are throwing out. Seriously some of the stuff people
are coming up with isn’t based in reality at all. It’s like they are just throwing stuff out there and hoping something will stick based on
nothing but an active and morbid imagination.

According to ABC news the rifle was found in the
car. This directly contradicts the statements of the chief medical examiner, who states
that the rifle was the main weapon used in the shooting. So why does the medical examiner's story contradict the claims that this rifle was never
used?

Secondly, this car was not Adam Lanza's, as per this topic. The car was registered
to a one "Christopher A Rodia". So why are they stating that this vehicle was Lanza's? Did they just decide to pop the trunks on every vehicle in
the parking lot, and end up finding this career criminals vehicle, which they assumed was Adams?

There is also this police scanner recording, in which the police seems to state at 3:30 + "we
have reports the teacher says there was two shadows going﻿ past the building", since the school was in lock-down (no one allowed in, or out), one
could surmise that this could indicate that there was other suspects (tho not definitively).

Originally posted by 007Polytoks
According to ABC news the rifle was found in the
car. This directly contradicts the statements of the chief medical examiner, who states
that the rifle was the main weapon used in the shooting. So why does the medical examiner's story contradict the claims that this rifle was never
used?

Secondly, this car was not Adam Lanza's, as per this topic. The car was registered
to a one "Christopher A Rodia". So why are they stating that this vehicle was Lanza's? Did they just decide to pop the trunks on every vehicle in
the parking lot, and end up finding this career criminals vehicle, which they assumed was Adams?

There is also this police scanner recording, in which the police seems to state at 3:30 + "we
have reports the teacher says there was two shadows going﻿ past the building", since the school was in lock-down (no one allowed in, or out), one
could surmise that this could indicate that there was other suspects (tho not definitively).

According to ABC News Lanza's mother was killed in her classroom where she taught at the school. What ABC News reports means nothing.

The car was Lanza's. mothers. The Rodia reference was for a second stop that was being broadcast over the scanner.

The shadows were likely the police, students, or teachers. Lockdown doesn't mean people couldn't leave the building.

The school had video of the shooting. Do you really think if the video showed two shooters the police and hundreds of first responders would hide it
in the first minutes after the shooting?

Re the gun in the trunk, has ATS deteriorated where speculation and opinion is now called PROOF? I agree with SO that the response to this incident
is an embarrassment to the ATS community.

If your claim is that what ABC news reports means nothing, then you must also concede that other media outlets (all of which very likely use the same
source), are also not worth listening to in this incident. Thereby meaning that an independent inquiry, not some dog and pony show like the 9/11
omission report, needs to investigate this matter with full transparency.

In that topic there is a picture of the car, which was being towed and touted by the media as "the killers car", it holds the EXACT same license
plate as what was reported over the radio. What do you mean by "The Rodia reference was for a second stop"? How do you prove these claims? Who's
vehicle was this, where is the proof that this was registered to Lanza's mother?

There was a second tag number broadcast for the vehicle Rodia was stopped in. Clueless civilians who refuse to research before speculating make me
want to slam my head in a wall. If you did the tiniest bit of research into police radios you would know return info on potential suspects is ALWAYS
sent on low frequency burst encryption comms or via cruiser PCs so that potentially innocent people don't have their name tied to a crime by Joe
armchairdetective and his $9.99 radio shack scanner brigade. Police are well aware of the fact many people listen to their calls on scanners trying to
feel as if they are part of something bigger, or just plain old fashioned morbid curiosity.

Originally posted by EViLKoNCEPTz
There was a second tag number broadcast for the vehicle Rodia was stopped in. Clueless civilians who refuse to research before speculating make me
want to slam my head in a wall. If you did the tiniest bit of research into police radios you would know return info on potential suspects is ALWAYS
sent on low frequency burst encryption comms or via cruiser PCs so that potentially innocent people don't have their name tied to a crime by Joe
armchairdetective and his $9.99 radio shack scanner brigade. Police are well aware of the fact many people listen to their calls on scanners trying to
feel as if they are part of something bigger, or just plain old fashioned morbid curiosity.

You have absolutely NO proof Rodia was ever pulled over in a car that day PERIOD. It was COMPLETELY obvious a traffic officer ran a plate and spoke on
the radio the same time an officer standing next to the car at the school ran the plates. The officer 272 ran 872YEO he is then later told to come to
the kitchen in the school PROVING he was at the school not on some traffic stop. The officer who ran the other plate was NOT being given Rodia's
info, 272 was, go listen again. BTW if he was stopped on a traffic stop why was there a manhunt for him? Why did they call in asking for his home
address and go there? Maybe you need to go listen before you speak about things you have no idea about.

Patrol 3 conducted the traffic stop on a vehicle operated by Rodia, prior to being called to the scene at the school. You can believe whatever you
want, however I know the truth and have seen with my own eyes the registration on both vehicles.

Patrol 3 conducted the traffic stop on a vehicle operated by Rodia, prior to being called to the scene at the school. You can believe whatever you
want, however I know the truth and have seen with my own eyes the registration on both vehicles.

Yea if you say so LOL..........actually at the time any officers already at the school were enough......and state was covering Newtown patrols so no
need to call him to the school. The car that called in those plates was not 3 it was 33. Once again after not having listened to the radio you come
here with false info......you think what you want and I will do the same.

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