The working class and the voting class

Watching Q&A last night, and especially the discussion on stopping the boats, reminded me of a post I put up in 2012. I repeat it here.

Ann Coulter does the numbers and it is now a demographic battle in the US about who comes and who votes. It wasn’t the young after all who had voted to subvert the America of individual effort and personal responsibility. Ann tells a quite disturbing story:

On closer examination, it turns out that young voters, aged 18-29, overwhelmingly supported Romney. But only the white ones. . . .

What the youth vote shows is not that young people are nitwits who deserve lives of misery and joblessness, as I had previously believed, but that America is hitting the tipping point on our immigration policy.

The youth vote is a snapshot of elections to come if nothing is done to reverse the deluge of unskilled immigrants pouring into the country as a result of Ted Kennedy’s 1965 immigration act. Eighty-five percent of legal immigrants since 1968 have come from the Third World. A majority of them are in need of government assistance.

Whites are 76 percent of the electorate over the age of 30 and only 58 percent of the electorate under 30. Obama won the “youth vote” because it is the knife’s edge of a demographic shift, not because he offered the kids free tuition and contraception.

There is even this, which does seem to show there is a way out, as difficult as it may be:

Nearly 20 percent of black males under 30 voted for Romney, more than three times what McCain got.

It is working and paying taxes that may be the divide that matters. As she points out, it is immigration policy that is in the middle. And it will be the big issue of the future as the US does or does not submerge itself under a flood of migrants from places where no one can even conceivably be employed in a high tech, English speaking nation as the US for the time being now is. This is how she concludes:

Romney got a larger percentage of the white vote than Reagan did in 1980. That’s just not enough anymore.

Ironically, Romney was the first Republican presidential candidate in a long time not conspiring with the elites to make America a dumping ground for the world’s welfare cases. Conservatives who denounced Romney as a ‘RINO’ were the ones doing the bidding of the real establishment: business, which wants cheap labor and couldn’t care less if America ceases to be the land of opportunity that everyone wanted to immigrate to in the first place.

The parties of the left are actively ruining their countries for political advantage. Many of these people will never pay more in taxes than they take in welfare. But they’re not being brought here to work. They are being brought here to vote.

So the academics, progressives and politicians around the world are starting to wake up to what has, and is ACTUALLY happening not what they WANTED/WANT to happen. They are turning into the rednecks (USA) and nutjobs (AUST) that they accused the average person with nous of being when they spoke out.

I’ve found in Australia, a lot of the recent immigrants work pretty hard, and don’t complain much either.

They also often run small business, or do personal contracting, and surprisingly a lot of them “get it” about the destructiveness of business blocking regulations, because Europe and many of the old countries are full of that shit to the point where it has become a game.

Not sure about the situation in the USA, but my suspicion is that minimum wage throttles the supply of labour… for honest employers.

so the rudd family made one of australias fastest grossest fortunes from servicing ‘unemployables’.

how is it anything else but cronyism for rudd to open the floodgates to masses of unemployables,and to champion mass migration of unemployables into other western countries where his family business operates.

That’s a bit paranoid, I think, Steve…. conservative as well as progressive leaders have often gone out of their way to acknowledge the contributions immigrants have made to the nation. Even under Howard – in spite of the ‘stopping the boats’, lawful immigration quietly increased under his government, and never did him any harm at all.

In fact I think new immigrants can often be more stubbornly right-wing than many of their fellow countrymen – perhaps because they’ve seen real hardship, perhaps because they really want to preserve what’s good about the country they’ve emigrated to.

Related: check out this epic whinge by Guy Rundle in the New Matilda where he flounces about for a couple of thousand words and tries to establish that Abbott’s reinstatement of knighthoods is a slap in the face for new, non-Anglo immigrants. I suspect the case may be quite the contrary, and many new immigrants may value the fact that Australia is still part of the Commonwealth and still has strong ties with Great Britain.

the whole leftie pyramid scheme for leftie wealth depends on the government picking up the bill for services to’the generationally unassimilated’ . refugee lawyers,social consultants. a whole generation of university students feel entitled to travel the world giving government money to refugees. the sad thing is that even of those basically unemployable migrants that do become employed,many of them end up working for the government,servicing the next wave of refugees.who they gonna vote for?

Steve, almost no non-white group votes Republican, and that includes ones that are more conservative and have a harder work ethic than whites (e.g., most Asian groups — ever been to Silicon valley?). Given this, the reason they’re not voting Republican presumably has nothing to do with the strange belief you have that taxes will be less under Republicans. It’s presumably because voting for a bunch of people that believe dinosaurs roamed the earth a few thousand years ago (and all the weird stuff that seems common with the Republicans) just isn’t their style.

One Indian told me that the common prospective-immigrant view of Australia (as compared to the USA) is “a place where the racehorse can only run as fast as the donkey” .

In other words, they are attracted to meritocracy, not state-sanctioned “equality” .

In most “old” countries, “bureaucracy” = “corruption” . They know that from experience. There are an awful lot of naive and extremely deluded Australians I’ve spoken to who think that the bureaucracy is what saves us from corruption.

The parties of the left are actively ruining their countries for political advantage.

A reminder:

Back in October Andrew Neather, a former Labour party speechwriter, let the cat out the bag when he said that the Government had encouraged immigration “to rub the Right’s nose in diversity”. But while Neather quickly backtracked, documents now released under the Freedom of Information Act suggest that he was telling the truth. Rather than being the result only of incompetence or a short-term economic measure to reduce inflation, Labour’s policy of runaway immigration was a deliberate and cynical attempt to change the face of British society………………………………………
It wasn’t just idealism on Labour’s part, either – there was a fair amount of cynicism, too. Ethnic minorities have historically tended to vote Labour; making Britain more multi-ethnic would mean more Labour voters. Since the early 1980s Labour has promoted a policy of multiculturalism which, in effect, meant promoting and funding self-appointed “community leaders” (often extremists or crooks) in return for the votes of “their” community. And one of Jack Straw’s first move when he became Home Secretary in 1997 was to make it easier to bring spouses into the country, a demand of short-sighted Bangladeshi and Pakistani community leaders. According to Labour MP Chris Mullin’s diary, Labour MPs back in 2004 were disgusted by the abuses of the asylum and immigration system, but could say nothing because “there is the added difficulty that at least 20 Labour seats, including Jack Straw’s, depend on Asian votes”.

How about in Australia? Are we able to talk about white votes favouring conservatives and black votes favouring Labor … or is that a no go area?
Another observation – what do we class as black votes or white votes? Seems Americans are more comfortable with racial divides than we are in Australia.

“Indeed, the Lib Rotarians are shocked and disappointed at the very unworthy thought.
Labor’s, and their MSM’s, genius was to make it Lib policy too.”

And that is exactly why the Coalition will not hold. A UKIP style schism becomes more inevitable with every new plane load (just so long as it’s not a boat load) celebrated by the Turnbull types.

Tel, your analysis is superficial. All immigrant groups are not the same.

And ‘throttling’-by-minimum-wage has no effect on the informal economy in the US, any more than it does in Oz. Had a massage at a shopping Mall lately? There were once Australian beauticians. I would bet that Soo-ling, who paints your gorgeous black toenails, is a ‘student’ on a 300 dollar per month scholarship at the Hong Kong International Academy of Aestheticians (Penrith Campus) – an august (and fully certified) institution run by an HK billionaire and his white shoed Gold Coast front men.

The US problem is different. A large swag of their recent immigration is from South America where statism rules. And people respond to incentives. If a political party is offering you free stuff, you vote for free stuff. Thank the D’rats for that state of affairs.

What’s encouraging is the comment in Steve’s thread that 30% of young blacks voted for Romney. There’s no way the GOP will get a majority of the black vote without a dislocation but there could actually be a dislocation if Rand Paul’s comments to African Americans begins to resonate. A humungous number of black men are or have been in jail as a result of drug related crimes. Relaxing the drug laws, as Paul has suggested would make a huge difference to black America. Watch Paul, as I think he’s not only a contender, but a very serious one for the presidency.

Ann Coulter does the numbers and it is now a demographic battle in the US about who comes and who votes. It wasn’t the young after all who had voted to subvert the America of individual effort and personal responsibility. Ann tells a quite disturbing story:

Coulter does not really get it on Immigration. Never has. So many countries like Australia have expanded immigration and still have seen Conservative Governments elected time after time. The ignorant view that an immigrant will turn into a Democrat voter is absurd.

“How about in Australia? Are we able to talk about white votes favouring conservatives and black votes favouring Labor … or is that a no go area?
Another observation – what do we class as black votes or white votes? Seems Americans are more comfortable with racial divides than we are in Australia.”
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Australians are naive. They have little or no experience of blacks. They have no idea how to handle the issue. They know, intuitively that Indigenous blacks are a special case. But Non-indigenous black are rare and exotic figures of wonderment (entertainers) or pity (reffos). Well Australians are about to discover, to paraphrase Stalin, that quantity has a quality all of its own.
We are not more ‘sensible’ than Americans. This is a self-serving fantasy. We are merely a few decades behind. How long do you think it will be before we have Sharpton figures in every municipality hectoring us about ‘inequality’?

Coulter does not really get it on Immigration. Never has. So many countries like Australia have expanded immigration and still have seen Conservative Governments elected time after time. The ignorant view that an immigrant will turn into a Democrat voter is absurd.

She’s actually right. It took 80 odd years for a majority of Italian Americans to vote GOP which occurred in Reagan’s 1980 victory. That’s a pretty decent cohort. Recently arrived Asians are 60% for the D’rats and Hispanics by a wide margin. Coulter is correct. Irish are about 50/50.

JC
#1248603, posted on April 1, 2014 at 9:46 pm
The US problem is different. A large swag of their recent immigration is from South America where statism rules. And people respond to incentives. If a political party is offering you free stuff, you vote for free stuff. Thank the D’rats for that state of affairs.

Offer them opportunity. Does the GOP seriously support tax cuts, balanced budgets and ending trillions of dollars of pointless and capricious regulation?

Coulter does not really get it on Immigration. Never has. So many countries like Australia have expanded immigration and still have seen Conservative Governments elected time after time. The ignorant view that an immigrant will turn into a Democrat voter is absurd.

John Howard is the example here. Immigrants got rid of Gillard and Rudd for us. They’re entrepreneurial. Rusted on Anglo Celtic blue collar workers? Not likely.

Funny, that’s exactly when I left
and largely because I saw what was coming;

Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC
#1248527, posted on April 1, 2014 at 8:26 pm
Well hello Captain Obvious.
And the reason you did not realise this twenty-five years ago is what exactly??

Clearly, some have only just cottoned on here to the bleeding obvious.
50,000 Labor voters imported in 6 years, multiply by family reunions, sprinkle around marginal seats, factor in white-flight and birth rates of 5+ per family (paid for by Joe Taxpayer of course) and in one generation Labor have 10-20 more safe seats wrapped up.
Already seen the results in the UK. Cameron should have won in a landslide in 2010, he could barely form Government.

Offer them opportunity. Does the GOP seriously support tax cuts, balanced budgets and ending trillions of dollars of pointless and capricious regulation?

I think they do, Dot. However it’s not only that. Rand Paul has been pushing the minority thing now and he seems to be at least attempting to craft a Libertarian/GOP policy mix that would be attractive to them.

Already seen the results in the UK. Cameron should have won in a landslide in 2010, he could barely form Government.

I think there were other reasons for that, namely:

1) Voting is not compulsory in the UK;
2) They have ‘first past the post’ results;
3) Cameron alienated a huge swathe of the traditional Tory voting public by trying to win over what his advisors clearly told him were the wavering Left.

She’s actually right. It took 80 odd years for a majority of Italian Americans to vote GOP which occurred in Reagan’s 1980 victory. That’s a pretty decent cohort. Recently arrived Asians are 60% for the D’rats and Hispanics by a wide margin. Coulter is correct. Irish are about 50/50.

She’s wrong, because so many other countries, including Western countries, have proved otherwise. Why is America any different? Perhaps some Republicans should look at themselves in the mirror in the way they have lead and campaigned.

John Howard is the example here. Immigrants got rid of Gillard and Rudd for us. They’re entrepreneurial. Rusted on Anglo Celtic blue collar workers? Not likely.

Yep, spot on. Mass immigration increase in Australia, conservative forces have grown in Australia. Immigrants have more in common with the right than the left.

I think they do, Dot. However it’s not only that. Rand Paul has been pushing the minority thing now and he seems to be at least attempting to craft a Libertarian/GOP policy mix that would be attractive to them.

You’ve answered the question twice. They often offer uninspiring policy and only now with Rand Paul have they gotten anywhere since Reagan or Ron Paul.

in the latest victorian redistribution,one safe conservative rural seat ceased to exist. a new seat went to outer melbourne. as melbourne’s population bursts through six,seven,eight million through mass migration,the re-distributions will remove rural seats from the equation.

The Republicans are really going to elect someone like Ron or Rand Paul with their foreign policy lunacy. We’d lose in a landslide running with one of those two muppets.

You really think American voters give a flying shit about the rest of the world especially after two wars and the possibility that they can just hunker down and only worry about themselves.? Neo-Isolationism is a very attractive option to them as it would save a great deal of money and American lives.

If Cameron and the Conservative Party are right wing or conservative I’ll make love to Bob Ellis sober.

They’re not, now, but in 2010 most thought they were voting back a Thatcherite. Had the Tories won an outright majority I doubt they would have shifted as far left as they have. Their fuckwittery will be severely punished next year which will split the vote with UKIP and by default return Labour to finish off the country once and for all.

Australians by birth should get one vote when they turn eighteen and thereafter be required to be on a paycheque or studying a vocational degree directed towards specific employment (e.g.nursing, medicine) before they are permitted back onto the rolls.

Immigrants should have to prove continuous adult employment in the household for not less than 12 months, say, before being permitted to apply for citizenship and gain the vote.

OK, pensioners get to vote. But only if the totality of their tax outlays exceeds by a considerable margin their taxpayer funded benefits. Fair’s fair.

The ATO’s smart and they’ve got big buildings full of computers all over the place. They can work it out.

The worst kind of voter is the elderly bludger who’s suckled government for entirety of their adult life. The young can still be guided and some even grow out of their welfare dependent stupor. But the oldies are a lost cause.

Steve, almost no non-white group votes Republican, and that includes ones that are more conservative and have a harder work ethic than whites (e.g., most Asian groups — ever been to Silicon valley?). Given this, the reason they’re not voting Republican presumably has nothing to do with the strange belief you have that taxes will be less under Republicans. It’s presumably because voting for a bunch of people that believe dinosaurs roamed the earth a few thousand years ago (and all the weird stuff that seems common with the Republicans) just isn’t their style.

Coulter doesn’t realise that it’s because of people like her that people refuse to vote republican. She is after all, on record as saying that the US should attempt forcibly convert the world to Christianity.

So brown immigrants are a problem Kates? Immigrants from Mexico or Africa don’t know how to work or run small businesses? Any kind of economic study to back up the case, or just the ravings of a right wing shock jockette? The reports of the studies I’ve seen on the effect of low-skilled immigration on an economy has a result of positive or at worst a wash.

Also from personal experience this doesn’t pan out in Chicago. Many of the Hispanics in the neighbourhoods around here are busting their arse to make a better life for their kids. They’re tradesman, they’re landscapers (who own the landscaping companies), they’re driving and owning cabs. These people are not “takers”.

Are there moochers and low-lifes, of course there are, but to paint the broad brush that under 30 non-whites are in it for the government handout is just a racist dog whistle.

One Indian told me that the common prospective-immigrant view of Australia (as compared to the USA) is “a place where the racehorse can only run as fast as the donkey” .

I’ve been told by Taiwanese inlaws that it’s ‘impossible to do business in Australia’ due to our many laws and regs etc… Likely they’ll only migrate here if they need to escape a Russia-Crimea style invasion of Taiwan or if they need to get on the pension

Anyone know what is happening about the 30,000+ illegal immigrant boaties already here? Are they still getting their PR visas etc?

Most have already been handed their PR under Labor unfortunately. Captain Emad, the people smuggler, was granted his after only 3 months whilst other legal migrants were waiting 3 years for theirs. All of the annual 12,000 places for refugees were taken up by boaties in the past 3 years so by my reckoning at least 36,000 have already been handed their golden ticket. Recent increases in the numbers on welfare payments also seem to reflect this.

Immigrants should have to prove continuous adult employment in the household for not less than 12 months, say, before being permitted to apply for citizenship and gain the vote.

This is why people say hysterical things about obviously sensible open immigration. Because they are soft headed themselves. The LDP would make permanent residency easy, but require 10 years of it to gain citizenship.

Yobbo
#1248862, posted on April 2, 2014 at 3:17 am
Coulter doesn’t realise that it’s because of people like her that people refuse to vote republican. She is after all, on record as saying that the US should attempt forcibly convert the world to Christianity.

This is a great shame. The moral majority were once Democrat barnacles. Now we need a Republican to tell them to fuck off with their false, anti scientific, fundamentalist messianic “prosperity” Christianity that no reasonable Lutheran, Orthodox, Catholic, Episcopalian (Anglicn), Methodist, Congregationalist or Presbyterian Christians etc would touch with a barge pole.

Coulter does not really get it on Immigration. Never has. So many countries like Australia have expanded immigration and still have seen Conservative Governments elected time after time. The ignorant view that an immigrant will turn into a Democrat voter is absurd.Coulter does not really get it on Immigration. Never has. So many countries like Australia have expanded immigration and still have seen Conservative Governments elected time after time. The ignorant view that an immigrant will turn into a Democrat voter is absurd.

Andrew you are showing your ignorance with this comment.

The Republicans (including Coulter) have stated repeatedly they want to put in place a program where the US gets to ensure the immigrants are primarily skilled and in the prime of their working life like Canada, Australia & NZ do.

The immigrants to the US are primarily illegal low skilled.

Please get your facts straight mate before you do the left’s work with a knee-jerk mis-statement.

The Republicans (including Coulter) have stated repeatedly they want to put in place a program where the US gets to ensure the immigrants are primarily skilled and in the prime of their working life like Canada, Australia & NZ do.

The immigrants to the US are primarily illegal low skilled.

So what? There is an unmet demand. Coulter sounds like the ALP who want “a smart state” etc and other crap without doing the hard yards.

Worker productivity has so much more to do with the capital to labour ratio rather than credentialism. Cut the credentialism and the skilled workforce on paper shrinks but in reality grows.

“Coulter doesn’t realise that it’s because of people like her that people refuse to vote republican. She is after all, on record as saying that the US should attempt forcibly convert the world to Christianity.”

C’mon. Moses, Jesus – they’re all just dead white beardies now. What do you care? It’s all tokenism. Why the big hang up with Christianity, specifically? I mean all people who believe in any monotheistic shit are full of it, right? And if they don’t really believe, but just adhere for ethno-nationalistic reasons, well, that’s just he lowest of the low, isn’t it?

C’mon. Moses, Jesus – they’re all just dead white beardies now. What do you care? It’s all tokenism. Why the big hang up with Christianity, specifically? I mean all people who believe in any monotheistic shit are full of it, right? And if they don’t really believe, but just adhere for ethno-nationalistic reasons, well, that’s just he lowest of the low, isn’t it?