But if you disregard 'Crystal Star' why not 'Children of the Jedi?' (The one book I actually threw away - it made my eyes bleed) - and dare I say, I don't wantt o see Dorian Gray herself? She who never ages? Eternally 25 with leather pants, Mace's Saber and not a gray hair to be seen? Do they even have Miss Clariol in a GFFA?

"There’s a lot of content in the books and comics that are of questionable quality and, frankly, should be ignored by the films. Can you imagine the films having to acknowledge that The Crystal Star exists?"

That sentence sums up my feelings.

Just as long as they acknowlegde some of the EU, I wont complain if they have a sexy red head named Mara Jade.

The perfect scenario for me would be a break at 19 ABY. The NJO was cool but didn't fit with the whole saga to me. Keep the kids names but don't have weird stuff like Jacen going to the dark side. I never read anything any of the post NJO books, but all I hear is people complaining about it.

If the rumors of Disney wanting complete content control moving forward and in the ST (which is apparently part of why TCW was canceled etc...) I don't think t hey'll just make up a "break point", as that still puts some big limits on what they can do and the characters they can have moving forward.

I don't think we are going to see any "half measure" solutions, to use a Break Bad term. I don't think we are going to get some of this or a little of that. Its just more info they have to educate fans on, and limits on their creative people, in all departments. If they keep up until 19 ABY, it puts a lot of limits on prequel material they can make leading up to and coming out of Episode VII and the ST. It will either be they stop the current EU and re-start it or they take more of a Marvel approach.

But if you disregard 'Crystal Star' why not 'Children of the Jedi?' (The one book I actually threw away - it made my eyes bleed) - and dare I say, I don't wantt o see Dorian Gray herself? She who never ages? Eternally 25 with leather pants, Mace's Saber and not a gray hair to be seen? Do they even have Miss Clariol in a GFFA?

Thats the issue with "just make a cut point" EVERYONE will have a different opinion on were it should be.

"There’s a lot of content in the books and comics that are of questionable quality and, frankly, should be ignored by the films. Can you imagine the films having to acknowledge that The Crystal Star exists?"

That sentence sums up my feelings.

Just as long as they acknowlegde some of the EU, I wont complain if they have a sexy red head named Mara Jade.

The perfect scenario for me would be a break at 19 ABY. The NJO was cool but didn't fit with the whole saga to me. Keep the kids names but don't have weird stuff like Jacen going to the dark side. I never read anything any of the post NJO books, but all I hear is people complaining about it.

If the rumors of Disney wanting complete content control moving forward and in the ST (which is apparently part of why TCW was canceled etc...) I don't think t hey'll just make up a "break point", as that still puts some big limits on what they can do and the characters they can have moving forward.

I don't think we are going to see any "half measure" solutions, to use a Break Bad term. I don't think we are going to get some of this or a little of that. Its just more info they have to educate fans on, and limits on their creative people, in all departments. If they keep up until 19 ABY, it puts a lot of limits on prequel material they can make leading up to and coming out of Episode VII and the ST. It will either be they stop the current EU and re-start it or they take more of a Marvel approach.

I don't think so either, just my personal preference that some of it stays.

Also, re-starting and the Marvel approach give Disney the most oppertunities for profit. Both open up lots of space and options to produce and sell more material. The more current EU they keep the fewer options they have to make new/more material to sell.

Lots of people already own Heir to the Empire. If they scrap the EU or ignore continuity and produce new novels or comics or tv shows set int hat time period, no one will own that material day one which gives them a higher customer base.

But if you disregard 'Crystal Star' why not 'Children of the Jedi?' (The one book I actually threw away - it made my eyes bleed) - and dare I say, I don't wantt o see Dorian Gray herself? She who never ages? Eternally 25 with leather pants, Mace's Saber and not a gray hair to be seen? Do they even have Miss Clariol in a GFFA?

Disregarding and not acknowledging isn't really the same thing. There's nothing in Children of the Jedi that needs to be acknowledged in the ST, or needs to be disregarded. It would be extremely difficult to render specific events in Children of the Jedi or The Crystal Star non-canon, you'd basically have to go out of your way to do it. (barring major things like Leia and Han's marriage and their kids, which aren't specific to CotJ or The Crystal Star, but carried over from other sources)

But if you disregard 'Crystal Star' why not 'Children of the Jedi?' (The one book I actually threw away - it made my eyes bleed) - and dare I say, I don't wantt o see Dorian Gray herself? She who never ages? Eternally 25 with leather pants, Mace's Saber and not a gray hair to be seen? Do they even have Miss Clariol in a GFFA?

Thats the issue with "just make a cut point" EVERYONE will have a different opinion on were it should be.

I think, for the sake of discussion, the assumption is that they should keep as much intact as possible, that some is better than nothing. That's just for the sake of discussion, though.

Personally, if the continuity disruption is more than minor, which it almost certainly will be, I'm done with the EU entirely.

I forgot about CotJ, include it in my desired Disney should not feel forced to follow list.

Anyways, I still honestly believe the new tv show is post RotJ and will, like TCW before it, take EU elements they like and run with their own original ideas. I do think some things will mostly stay intact but much of it will be reworked/reimagined. I do feel that quite a few characters will survive any EU cuts, even Marvel with its alternate universes often brings back old characters and they sell... I see no difference here. Yes many will I suspect be reinterpureted but their core character will remain or be close enough.

I like a lot of elements from books that are on my personal list of stuff Im fine with getting cut, and I will try out any new "EU" regardless of what gets cut. Just saying there is some stuff that has expended beyond the popularity levels any EU character should and as such I expect LFL will not fail to capitalize on many of these characters... maybe not all in episode VII but throw in a TV show and endless spinoff movies and the odds of us not getting them seems very unlikely to me.

Filonis involvement hints a bit at Dark Times series because then Ahsoka and other characters they already have models for could be reused.
Of course, suited Darth Vader and the Empire itself and so on is likely to also draw audiences.

George wrote the treatments, yes. Arndt is writing the actual script. So if he wants to use something from the EU to fill in a blank, he can. George's lack of knowledge doesn't matter in that manner.

Thats true. However the producer of hte movie said they don't have a series of books to use and Lucas is their source of info, the director has said they aren't using the EU. And we've been told Lucas is sitting in on their creative meetings.

Sure, fundementally there is nothing stopping Arndt or Abrams or Kennedy from not going to Lucas and going to the EU instead, BUT from what we've been told that isn't what they are doing.

Couple things to remember here. Not having "a series of books to use" just means that they won't be adapting any existing stories for the big screen. Same thing with saying "they aren't using the EU." That is not the same thing as saying the EU doesn't exist and won't provide inspiration at least in terms of characters and the intervening history.

Don't forget, EVERY major thing that takes place in the EU had to get clearance from Lucasfilm. They wanted to kill Luke in the novel Vector Prime, but Lucasfilm said no to that and yes to killing Chewie. Lucasfilm has created a vast archive of infomation based upon the EU novels, TV shows, games, comics, etc. Ardnt was said to be doing research in the Lucasfilm archives. I would expect to see some elements of the EU in the new films (Lucas himself took the name Coruscant from Zahn's EU novels) without being completely beholden to explaining everything that took place in the 35-40 years since ROTJ.

A line or two of general text in the opening crawl can simply bring viewers up to speed:

Decades have passed since the downfall of the Emperor. New heroes have risen and many have paid the ultimate price in the struggles to bring freedom and lasting peace to the galaxy.

JAINA SOLO and BEN SKYWALKER are at the forefront of a new generation of JEDI KNIGHTS protecting the GALACTIC ALLIANCE. . . etc., etc., etc.

New heroes have risen [Jaina, Ben, Allanah, etc.] and many have paid the ultimate price [Chewbacca, Mara Jade, Jacen, Anakin Solo, etc.] -- you can say all that without having to say all that, see?

After that, a few lines of dialogue here and there can have Luke reference Ben's dead mother, Jaina mention her dead brothers, Han lamenting the loss of Chewie, etc. Doesn't have to be anything more than what we got from Uncle Owen about Luke's dad in A New Hope. Would a mention of the Imperial Remnant be confusing? No more so than the mention of the Clone Wars in ANH. In fact, things like that get people's imaginations going and spark interest. You just have to strike the right balance between having elements to advance the new story you are telling and relying on events outside the movies for people to understand what is going on in your new story.

If done right, you can have your new stories and your EU, too.

Yay for Allana and her pet nexu! Love that kid! It would be nice if she was the NG protagonist, but we'll see.

Did you know that R.A. Salvatore received death threats when fans blamed HIM for Chewie's death, back when VP was first released? Some fans really ARE crazy...

I pretty much agree with what you're saying here, Jones. D/LFL can, and should, incorporate EU elements into the ST, AND it would be a new story and a very good series of films. But, that doesn't mean they will, and in fact they probably won't. It all depends largely on what kind of treatment GL came up with, and what Arndt is willing to do.

Anyways...it's weird reading this thread when some of the posters are being "ignored"...it's disjointed. LOL!

George wrote the treatments, yes. Arndt is writing the actual script. So if he wants to use something from the EU to fill in a blank, he can. George's lack of knowledge doesn't matter in that manner.

Thats true. However the producer of hte movie said they don't have a series of books to use and Lucas is their source of info, the director has said they aren't using the EU. And we've been told Lucas is sitting in on their creative meetings.

Sure, fundementally there is nothing stopping Arndt or Abrams or Kennedy from not going to Lucas and going to the EU instead, BUT from what we've been told that isn't what they are doing.

Couple things to remember here. Not having "a series of books to use" just means that they won't be adapting any existing stories for the big screen. Same thing with saying "they aren't using the EU." That is not the same thing as saying the EU doesn't exist and won't provide inspiration at least in terms of characters and the intervening history.

Don't forget, EVERY major thing that takes place in the EU had to get clearance from Lucasfilm. They wanted to kill Luke in the novel Vector Prime, but Lucasfilm said no to that and yes to killing Chewie. Lucasfilm has created a vast archive of infomation based upon the EU novels, TV shows, games, comics, etc. Ardnt was said to be doing research in the Lucasfilm archives. I would expect to see some elements of the EU in the new films (Lucas himself took the name Coruscant from Zahn's EU novels) without being completely beholden to explaining everything that took place in the 35-40 years since ROTJ.

A line or two of general text in the opening crawl can simply bring viewers up to speed:

Decades have passed since the downfall of the Emperor. New heroes have risen and many have paid the ultimate price in the struggles to bring freedom and lasting peace to the galaxy.

JAINA SOLO and BEN SKYWALKER are at the forefront of a new generation of JEDI KNIGHTS protecting the GALACTIC ALLIANCE. . . etc., etc., etc.

New heroes have risen [Jaina, Ben, Allanah, etc.] and many have paid the ultimate price [Chewbacca, Mara Jade, Jacen, Anakin Solo, etc.] -- you can say all that without having to say all that, see?

After that, a few lines of dialogue here and there can have Luke reference Ben's dead mother, Jaina mention her dead brothers, Han lamenting the loss of Chewie, etc. Doesn't have to be anything more than what we got from Uncle Owen about Luke's dad in A New Hope. Would a mention of the Imperial Remnant be confusing? No more so than the mention of the Clone Wars in ANH. In fact, things like that get people's imaginations going and spark interest. You just have to strike the right balance between having elements to advance the new story you are telling and relying on events outside the movies for people to understand what is going on in your new story.

If done right, you can have your new stories and your EU, too.

Yay for Allana and her pet nexu! Love that kid! It would be nice if she was the NG protagonist, but we'll see.

Did you know that R.A. Salvatore received death threats when fans blamed HIM for Chewie's death, back when VP was first released? Some fans really ARE crazy...

I pretty much agree with what you're saying here, Jones. D/LFL can, and should, incorporate EU elements into the ST, AND it would be a new story and a very good series of films. But, that doesn't mean they will, and in fact they probably won't. It all depends largely on what kind of treatment GL came up with, and what Arndt is willing to do.

Anyways...it's weird reading this thread when some of the posters are being "ignored"...it's disjointed. LOL!

That was majorly unfortunate about R.A. Salvatore. I loved Vector Prime. Great book even with Chewie's death. I want another book in the SW universe from him.

George wrote the treatments, yes. Arndt is writing the actual script. So if he wants to use something from the EU to fill in a blank, he can. George's lack of knowledge doesn't matter in that manner.

Thats true. However the producer of hte movie said they don't have a series of books to use and Lucas is their source of info, the director has said they aren't using the EU. And we've been told Lucas is sitting in on their creative meetings.

Sure, fundementally there is nothing stopping Arndt or Abrams or Kennedy from not going to Lucas and going to the EU instead, BUT from what we've been told that isn't what they are doing.

Couple things to remember here. Not having "a series of books to use" just means that they won't be adapting any existing stories for the big screen. Same thing with saying "they aren't using the EU." That is not the same thing as saying the EU doesn't exist and won't provide inspiration at least in terms of characters and the intervening history.

Don't forget, EVERY major thing that takes place in the EU had to get clearance from Lucasfilm. They wanted to kill Luke in the novel Vector Prime, but Lucasfilm said no to that and yes to killing Chewie. Lucasfilm has created a vast archive of infomation based upon the EU novels, TV shows, games, comics, etc. Ardnt was said to be doing research in the Lucasfilm archives. I would expect to see some elements of the EU in the new films (Lucas himself took the name Coruscant from Zahn's EU novels) without being completely beholden to explaining everything that took place in the 35-40 years since ROTJ.

A line or two of general text in the opening crawl can simply bring viewers up to speed:

Decades have passed since the downfall of the Emperor. New heroes have risen and many have paid the ultimate price in the struggles to bring freedom and lasting peace to the galaxy.

JAINA SOLO and BEN SKYWALKER are at the forefront of a new generation of JEDI KNIGHTS protecting the GALACTIC ALLIANCE. . . etc., etc., etc.

New heroes have risen [Jaina, Ben, Allanah, etc.] and many have paid the ultimate price [Chewbacca, Mara Jade, Jacen, Anakin Solo, etc.] -- you can say all that without having to say all that, see?

After that, a few lines of dialogue here and there can have Luke reference Ben's dead mother, Jaina mention her dead brothers, Han lamenting the loss of Chewie, etc. Doesn't have to be anything more than what we got from Uncle Owen about Luke's dad in A New Hope. Would a mention of the Imperial Remnant be confusing? No more so than the mention of the Clone Wars in ANH. In fact, things like that get people's imaginations going and spark interest. You just have to strike the right balance between having elements to advance the new story you are telling and relying on events outside the movies for people to understand what is going on in your new story.

If done right, you can have your new stories and your EU, too.

Yay for Allana and her pet nexu! Love that kid! It would be nice if she was the NG protagonist, but we'll see.

Did you know that R.A. Salvatore received death threats when fans blamed HIM for Chewie's death, back when VP was first released? Some fans really ARE crazy...

I pretty much agree with what you're saying here, Jones. D/LFL can, and should, incorporate EU elements into the ST, AND it would be a new story and a very good series of films. But, that doesn't mean they will, and in fact they probably won't. It all depends largely on what kind of treatment GL came up with, and what Arndt is willing to do.

Anyways...it's weird reading this thread when some of the posters are being "ignored"...it's disjointed. LOL!

That was majorly unfortunate about R.A. Salvatore. I loved Vector Prime. Great book even with Chewie's death. I want another book in the SW universe from him.

Me too, Smuggler, me too. But alas, it's not gonna happen. His life basically revolves around Drizzt, and the Demon Wars series.

Thats true. However the producer of hte movie said they don't have a series of books to use and Lucas is their source of info, the director has said they aren't using the EU. And we've been told Lucas is sitting in on their creative meetings.

Sure, fundementally there is nothing stopping Arndt or Abrams or Kennedy from not going to Lucas and going to the EU instead, BUT from what we've been told that isn't what they are doing.

Couple things to remember here. Not having "a series of books to use" just means that they won't be adapting any existing stories for the big screen. Same thing with saying "they aren't using the EU." That is not the same thing as saying the EU doesn't exist and won't provide inspiration at least in terms of characters and the intervening history.

Don't forget, EVERY major thing that takes place in the EU had to get clearance from Lucasfilm. They wanted to kill Luke in the novel Vector Prime, but Lucasfilm said no to that and yes to killing Chewie. Lucasfilm has created a vast archive of infomation based upon the EU novels, TV shows, games, comics, etc. Ardnt was said to be doing research in the Lucasfilm archives. I would expect to see some elements of the EU in the new films (Lucas himself took the name Coruscant from Zahn's EU novels) without being completely beholden to explaining everything that took place in the 35-40 years since ROTJ.

A line or two of general text in the opening crawl can simply bring viewers up to speed:

Decades have passed since the downfall of the Emperor. New heroes have risen and many have paid the ultimate price in the struggles to bring freedom and lasting peace to the galaxy.

JAINA SOLO and BEN SKYWALKER are at the forefront of a new generation of JEDI KNIGHTS protecting the GALACTIC ALLIANCE. . . etc., etc., etc.

New heroes have risen [Jaina, Ben, Allanah, etc.] and many have paid the ultimate price [Chewbacca, Mara Jade, Jacen, Anakin Solo, etc.] -- you can say all that without having to say all that, see?

After that, a few lines of dialogue here and there can have Luke reference Ben's dead mother, Jaina mention her dead brothers, Han lamenting the loss of Chewie, etc. Doesn't have to be anything more than what we got from Uncle Owen about Luke's dad in A New Hope. Would a mention of the Imperial Remnant be confusing? No more so than the mention of the Clone Wars in ANH. In fact, things like that get people's imaginations going and spark interest. You just have to strike the right balance between having elements to advance the new story you are telling and relying on events outside the movies for people to understand what is going on in your new story.

If done right, you can have your new stories and your EU, too.

Yay for Allana and her pet nexu! Love that kid! It would be nice if she was the NG protagonist, but we'll see.

Did you know that R.A. Salvatore received death threats when fans blamed HIM for Chewie's death, back when VP was first released? Some fans really ARE crazy...

I pretty much agree with what you're saying here, Jones. D/LFL can, and should, incorporate EU elements into the ST, AND it would be a new story and a very good series of films. But, that doesn't mean they will, and in fact they probably won't. It all depends largely on what kind of treatment GL came up with, and what Arndt is willing to do.

Anyways...it's weird reading this thread when some of the posters are being "ignored"...it's disjointed. LOL!

That was majorly unfortunate about R.A. Salvatore. I loved Vector Prime. Great book even with Chewie's death. I want another book in the SW universe from him.

Me too, Smuggler, me too. But alas, it's not gonna happen. His life basically revolves around Drizzt, and the Demon Wars series.

And the backlash from Vector Prime. Though I'm surprised Salvatore was used for the AOTC novelization which came out 2 and a half years after Vector Prime. I must look into his other books as well.

But if you disregard 'Crystal Star' why not 'Children of the Jedi?' (The one book I actually threw away - it made my eyes bleed) - and dare I say, I don't wantt o see Dorian Gray herself? She who never ages? Eternally 25 with leather pants, Mace's Saber and not a gray hair to be seen? Do they even have Miss Clariol in a GFFA?

Disregarding and not acknowledging isn't really the same thing. There's nothing in Children of the Jedi that needs to be acknowledged in the ST, or needs to be disregarded. It would be extremely difficult to render specific events in Children of the Jedi or The Crystal Star non-canon, you'd basically have to go out of your way to do it. (barring major things like Leia and Han's marriage and their kids, which aren't specific to CotJ or The Crystal Star, but carried over from other sources)

Yeah, but what if the villain of the ST is Waru but he's actually a 4-foot tall vampire Jawa? How would you retcon Crystal Star into fitting into that?

Yes, you must, Smuggler! Start with either the Icewind Dale trilogy or the Homeland trilogy (AKA "the Legend of Drizzt").

Oh joy. Another two things added to my buying list. I will look into them. Good to know where to start.

You have no idea how happy it makes me to get a fellow reader into the amazingness that is Drizzt Do'urden. Also, you have no idea what you're getting yourself into! These stories will make you laugh and cry, they will make your heart leap with joy, and they will break it. You will be awestruck by his fighting prowess, his loyalty to his friends, his altruism, his self-refllection....I could go on and on...

Yes, you must, Smuggler! Start with either the Icewind Dale trilogy or the Homeland trilogy (AKA "the Legend of Drizzt").

Oh joy. Another two things added to my buying list. I will look into them. Good to know where to start.

You have no idea how happy it makes me to get a fellow reader into the amazingness that is Drizzt Do'urden. Also, you have no idea what you're getting yourself into! These stories will make you laugh and cry, they will make your heart leap with joy, and they will break it. You will be awestruck by his fighting prowess, his loyalty to his friends, his altruism, his self-refllection....I could go on and on...

But I should stop...the Forgotten Realms and Drizzt's place in it has nothing to do with the SW EU!

Ha ha lol good to know. Sounds exciting. I like the sound of this character and series. Stories that make me laugh are a must. So I will get emotionally invested in these characters? Enjoy their triumphs and mourn and get emotionally devastated by their deaths? Works for me. I will look into this asap.

Yes, and yes. The fall of a certain barbarian comrade is particularly heartbreaking. You will enjoy these books, I promise.

I've wanted a Forgotten Realms film starring Drizzt and his friends for a long time now, but that's even less likely than a straight SW EU adaptation... It could be done, but it'd have to be on a level with the LotR trilogy...and that kind of production value on what would basically be a Dungeons & Dragons series of films is just wishful thinking. Whereas a CGI animated adaptation of TTT is actually possible considering how much money D/LFL has to throw around.

Filonis involvement hints a bit at Dark Times series because then Ahsoka and other characters they already have models for could be reused.
Of course, suited Darth Vader and the Empire itself and so on is likely to also draw audiences.

That wouldn't fit with the rumors/reports that Disney wants to shift the focus to the ST era, which they will have complete control over.
amazing books or anything.

jedimikey - I think you are overselling the Drizz't books a little bit. I like most of them (some are just bad, the Homeland series was terrible) but they are the fantasy novel equilvant of GI Joe - dumb fun. Oh, and Drizz't is a total Gary Stu (I like him much better then Corran Horn, but still......he is). He didn't start out that way, but as time went on Salvatore just made him more and more invincible and greater and greater. He has ALL the aspects/trade marks of a Gary Stu. Still fun to read, but he is.

Did you know Wulfgar was orignally the main character of the Icewind Dale books and Drizz't only got added when Salvatore made up him during a meeting with an executive who was going to pass on the book because he didn't think Wulfgar was a good enough character to base a trilogy around?