Sh*t lol now I'm confused. So is trest the same as mentabolan? Or are we talking about two different things?

Trest (otherwise known as ment) is what the active ingredient in mentabolan (mentdione) coverts to. It does get confusing with everyone mixing up names, calling mentabolan 'ment' (not that it's wrong, but now real ment is on the market lol)

Well it is technically. You take it orrally and trenbolone is the target

It is still deeply troubling to me that no one knows the rate of conversion to actual Tren. Or at least a rough estimate. And a question (although it may be a stupid one) I have is might trendione be active somewhat on its own? Because realistically, its unlikely that it converts to Tren at any beneficial rate. I read a study about Tren degradation in the body. Some of the trenbolone acetate will actually degrade to trendione and another metabolite (the name eludes me). It then said that less than 1.5% of the trendione converted back to active trenbolone. This is a pretty disappointing number...