Irn-Bru wrote:I think Tebow was more victim than instigator with the hype that surrounded him and especially his Christian beliefs.

I mostly agree.

Irn-Bru wrote:Here's my proof for that claim: RGIII has been very vocal about his faith since before he was drafted. After every TD, he crosses himself and points to the sky while he's still on the field. Nobody gets annoyed at him. Tebow would quietly go to the sidelines and kneel, but because every camera in the stadium was following him and every sportscaster felt obligated to comment, it got old and people got annoyed at him.

I can't quite go all the way with you on this. This is not scientific of me and I'll change my mind in the face of evidence but it seems to me Tebow started virtually every post-game interview with something like “First and foremost, I just want to thank my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ” and that does not seem to be the case with RGIII. I've also heard both guys on a mic during games and Tebow is praying out loud constantly. Meanwhile, RGIII is exhorting teammates. Again, I'll gladly bow to evidence.

There's nothing wrong with it but I feel Tebow "wears his Christianity on his sleeve" much more so than RGIII.

Irn-Bru wrote:I think Tebow was more victim than instigator with the hype that surrounded him and especially his Christian beliefs.

I mostly agree.

Irn-Bru wrote:Here's my proof for that claim: RGIII has been very vocal about his faith since before he was drafted. After every TD, he crosses himself and points to the sky while he's still on the field. Nobody gets annoyed at him. Tebow would quietly go to the sidelines and kneel, but because every camera in the stadium was following him and every sportscaster felt obligated to comment, it got old and people got annoyed at him.

I can't quite go all the way with you on this. This is not scientific of me and I'll change my mind in the face of evidence but it seems to me Tebow started virtually every post-game interview with something like “First and foremost, I just want to thank my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ” and that does not seem to be the case with RGIII. I've also heard both guys on a mic during games and Tebow is praying out loud constantly. Meanwhile, RGIII is exhorting teammates. Again, I'll gladly bow to evidence.

There's nothing wrong with it but I feel Tebow "wears his Christianity on his sleeve" much more so than RGIII.

Irn-Bru wrote:I think Tebow was more victim than instigator with the hype that surrounded him and especially his Christian beliefs.

I mostly agree.

Irn-Bru wrote:Here's my proof for that claim: RGIII has been very vocal about his faith since before he was drafted. After every TD, he crosses himself and points to the sky while he's still on the field. Nobody gets annoyed at him. Tebow would quietly go to the sidelines and kneel, but because every camera in the stadium was following him and every sportscaster felt obligated to comment, it got old and people got annoyed at him.

I can't quite go all the way with you on this. This is not scientific of me and I'll change my mind in the face of evidence but it seems to me Tebow started virtually every post-game interview with something like “First and foremost, I just want to thank my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ” and that does not seem to be the case with RGIII. I've also heard both guys on a mic during games and Tebow is praying out loud constantly. Meanwhile, RGIII is exhorting teammates. Again, I'll gladly bow to evidence.

There's nothing wrong with it but I feel Tebow "wears his Christianity on his sleeve" much more so than RGIII.

OK. I definitely don't follow the news as much, so I'm just as likely to be wrong as right. I actually didn't know that Tebow began all of his press conferences that way, for example. That is much more faith-influenced hype than I thought he was doing.

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SKINS#1 wrote:Tebow's record as a QB in college and the NFL prove he is a winner.

maybe to some ... certainly NOT to the FO guys that really matter ... if these guys thought he could help their franchise he'd be at OTAs somewhere

You know, I don't often agree with your if x, if y then definitely z arguments, but in this case I do. Tim Tebow was given more chances than his skill set warranted. The fact that he was on the team that won a playoff game in denver AND STILL CAN'T SNIFF 2ND STRING WHEN HE'S DIRT CHEAP when there are plenty of 2nd and 3rd string QBs out there who is arguably "better' than is the proverbial proof in the pudding.

I know he got a pretty good zip on the ball. He has a quick release. . . once I seen a coupla' throws, I was just like 'Yeah, he's that dude.'"

SKINS#1 wrote:Tebow's record as a QB in college and the NFL prove he is a winner.

maybe to some ... certainly NOT to the FO guys that really matter ... if these guys thought he could help their franchise he'd be at OTAs somewhere

You know, I don't often agree with your if x, if y then definitely z arguments, but in this case I do. Tim Tebow was given more chances than his skill set warranted. The fact that he was on the team that won a playoff game in denver AND STILL CAN'T SNIFF 2ND STRING WHEN HE'S DIRT CHEAP when there are plenty of 2nd and 3rd string QBs out there who is arguably "better' than is the proverbial proof in the pudding.

I certainly don't know why some other teams are not willing to give Tebow a look as I remember Billy Kilmer throwing the "dying duck" but he was a winner. Tebow is a better passer than Billy ever was.

SKINS#1 wrote:Tebow's record as a QB in college and the NFL prove he is a winner.

maybe to some ... certainly NOT to the FO guys that really matter ... if these guys thought he could help their franchise he'd be at OTAs somewhere

You know, I don't often agree with your if x, if y then definitely z arguments, but in this case I do. Tim Tebow was given more chances than his skill set warranted. The fact that he was on the team that won a playoff game in denver AND STILL CAN'T SNIFF 2ND STRING WHEN HE'S DIRT CHEAP when there are plenty of 2nd and 3rd string QBs out there who is arguably "better' than is the proverbial proof in the pudding.

I certainly don't know why some other teams are not willing to give Tebow a look as I remember Billy Kilmer throwing the "dying duck" but he was a winner. Tebow is a better passer than Billy ever was.

SKINS#1 wrote:Tebow's record as a QB in college and the NFL prove he is a winner.

maybe to some ... certainly NOT to the FO guys that really matter ... if these guys thought he could help their franchise he'd be at OTAs somewhere

You know, I don't often agree with your if x, if y then definitely z arguments, but in this case I do. Tim Tebow was given more chances than his skill set warranted. The fact that he was on the team that won a playoff game in denver AND STILL CAN'T SNIFF 2ND STRING WHEN HE'S DIRT CHEAP when there are plenty of 2nd and 3rd string QBs out there who is arguably "better' than is the proverbial proof in the pudding.

I certainly don't know why some other teams are not willing to give Tebow a look as I remember Billy Kilmer throwing the "dying duck" but he was a winner. Tebow is a better passer than Billy ever was.

I guess those other teams just really like losing not to acknowledge the obvious greatness of Tim Teblow.

/That sarcasm isnt really directed at you, but at the "tebow is just a victim" crowd

I know he got a pretty good zip on the ball. He has a quick release. . . once I seen a coupla' throws, I was just like 'Yeah, he's that dude.'"

SKINS#1 wrote:Tebow's record as a QB in college and the NFL prove he is a winner.

maybe to some ... certainly NOT to the FO guys that really matter ... if these guys thought he could help their franchise he'd be at OTAs somewhere

You know, I don't often agree with your if x, if y then definitely z arguments, but in this case I do. Tim Tebow was given more chances than his skill set warranted. The fact that he was on the team that won a playoff game in denver AND STILL CAN'T SNIFF 2ND STRING WHEN HE'S DIRT CHEAP when there are plenty of 2nd and 3rd string QBs out there who is arguably "better' than is the proverbial proof in the pudding.

I certainly don't know why some other teams are not willing to give Tebow a look as I remember Billy Kilmer throwing the "dying duck" but he was a winner. Tebow is a better passer than Billy ever was.

Kilmer was a good passer (& runner) early in his career. He was in a major auto accident & DR's didn't even think he would walk again.