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I would prefer we encouraged the private exploration and thus the eventual democratization of space and it’s resouces,

>Private exploration
>Eventual democratisation

wat

Vs states holding everything? Private enterprise is the quickest way to get smaller units out there. This is how the belt gets seeded comrade. Only after that can we fully automate.

What makes you think private interests are going to be democratised? The reverse is happening en masse right now.

Originally Posted by Paul Mason

It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

But islamism IS a product of class warfare. Rich white countries come into developing brown dictatorships, wreck the leadership, infrastructure and economy and then act all surprised that religious fanaticism is on the rise.

I would prefer we encouraged the private exploration and thus the eventual democratization of space and it’s resouces,

>Private exploration
>Eventual democratisation

wat

Vs states holding everything? Private enterprise is the quickest way to get smaller units out there. This is how the belt gets seeded comrade. Only after that can we fully automate.

What makes you think private interests are going to be democratised? The reverse is happening en masse right now.

It’s still way more people than a handful of spooky fighter pilots with higher than top secret clearance. If you can bankroll a rocket up there, why not go claim an asteroid and exploit it?

you're not answering the question.

I realize the spirt of free enterprise may be difficult to process, but it motivates people to do stuff. That stuff will include the exploration and exploitation of space if we can get the technology cheap enough, which we do by encouraging more private sector investment into incremental innovation in space technology.

Get it cheap and accessible enough and even a collectivist co-op could claim an asteroid for themselves. Haven’t you read any sci-fi?

I would prefer we encouraged the private exploration and thus the eventual democratization of space and it’s resouces,

>Private exploration
>Eventual democratisation

wat

Vs states holding everything? Private enterprise is the quickest way to get smaller units out there. This is how the belt gets seeded comrade. Only after that can we fully automate.

What makes you think private interests are going to be democratised? The reverse is happening en masse right now.

It’s still way more people than a handful of spooky fighter pilots with higher than top secret clearance. If you can bankroll a rocket up there, why not go claim an asteroid and exploit it?

you're not answering the question.

I realize the spirt of free enterprise may be difficult to process, but it motivates people to do stuff. That stuff will include the exploration and exploitation of space if we can get the technology cheap enough, which we do by encouraging more private sector investment into incremental innovation in space technology.

Get it cheap and accessible enough and even a collectivist co-op could claim an asteroid for themselves. Haven’t you read any sci-fi?

you're still not answering the question, let me help you.

how is handing wast swathes of the solar system over to the rich oligarchs that already dominate society on earth in any way shape or form "democratizing" ?

are we looking at a variant of the "only landholders get to vote" view of democracy here?

The theory is that eventually it will get cheap enough for the plebs to go into space... once ownership of all the good stuff has been assigned to the oligarchs.

Though that does raise the fact that the OST prohibits property rights as we understand them on any celestial body. Common heritage of mankind and all. But that's my rant about how the OST and related treaties are fundamentally socialist documents, but hey.

I would prefer we encouraged the private exploration and thus the eventual democratization of space and it’s resouces,

>Private exploration
>Eventual democratisation

wat

Vs states holding everything? Private enterprise is the quickest way to get smaller units out there. This is how the belt gets seeded comrade. Only after that can we fully automate.

What makes you think private interests are going to be democratised? The reverse is happening en masse right now.

It’s still way more people than a handful of spooky fighter pilots with higher than top secret clearance. If you can bankroll a rocket up there, why not go claim an asteroid and exploit it?

you're not answering the question.

I realize the spirt of free enterprise may be difficult to process, but it motivates people to do stuff. That stuff will include the exploration and exploitation of space if we can get the technology cheap enough, which we do by encouraging more private sector investment into incremental innovation in space technology.

Get it cheap and accessible enough and even a collectivist co-op could claim an asteroid for themselves. Haven’t you read any sci-fi?

you're still not answering the question, let me help you.

how is handing wast swathes of the solar system over to the rich oligarchs that already dominate society on earth in any way shape or form "democratizing" ?

are we looking at a variant of the "only landholders get to vote" view of democracy here?

"Handing Over" implies you own it and are giving it over to the private interests.

What right do you, me or anyone else have over off-earth planets/moons/asteroids?

If Private Interests foot the bill, and get there first......what exactly are you going to do about their exploitation of those assets? And what right do you have to do so?

I would prefer we encouraged the private exploration and thus the eventual democratization of space and it’s resouces,

>Private exploration
>Eventual democratisation

wat

Vs states holding everything? Private enterprise is the quickest way to get smaller units out there. This is how the belt gets seeded comrade. Only after that can we fully automate.

What makes you think private interests are going to be democratised? The reverse is happening en masse right now.

It’s still way more people than a handful of spooky fighter pilots with higher than top secret clearance. If you can bankroll a rocket up there, why not go claim an asteroid and exploit it?

you're not answering the question.

I realize the spirt of free enterprise may be difficult to process, but it motivates people to do stuff. That stuff will include the exploration and exploitation of space if we can get the technology cheap enough, which we do by encouraging more private sector investment into incremental innovation in space technology.

Get it cheap and accessible enough and even a collectivist co-op could claim an asteroid for themselves. Haven’t you read any sci-fi?

you're still not answering the question, let me help you.

how is handing wast swathes of the solar system over to the rich oligarchs that already dominate society on earth in any way shape or form "democratizing" ?

are we looking at a variant of the "only landholders get to vote" view of democracy here?

"Handing Over" implies you own it and are giving it over to the private interests.

What right do you, me or anyone else have over off-earth planets/moons/asteroids?

If Private Interests foot the bill, and get there first......what exactly are you going to do about their exploitation of those assets? And what right do you have to do so?

It says nothing of the sort. It's designed to stop countries laying territorial claims to the moon and asteroids, not to stop people exploiting their resources. It even goes to some length to explain that "use" of space is absolutely fine.

It says nothing of the sort. It's designed to stop countries laying territorial claims to the moon and asteroids, not to stop people exploiting their resources. It even goes to some length to explain that "use" of space is absolutely fine.

See also: moon rocks.

and where does the enforcement of property rights spring from ?

by denying the ability to do territorial claims you're defacto denying the idea of ownership of it vis-a-vis say land ownership on earth, that doesn't exclude use, say mining an astroid or the like, but it does exclude ownership as we see it on earth.

It says nothing of the sort. It's designed to stop countries laying territorial claims to the moon and asteroids, not to stop people exploiting their resources. It even goes to some length to explain that "use" of space is absolutely fine.

See also: moon rocks.

and where does the enforcement of property rights spring from ?

by denying the ability to do territorial claims you're defacto denying the idea of ownership of it vis-a-vis say land ownership on earth, that doesn't exclude use, say mining an astroid or the like, but it does exclude ownership as we see it on earth.

My point was sort of that possession will de facto become 9/10ths of the law out there. Even in our wildest technological breakthrough dreams, the cops are months away.