Comments on: Shock & Awe: Archbishop Dolan elected President of USCCB! {Updated}http://www.catholicvote.org/shockawe-archbishop-dolan-elected-president-of-usccb/
Tue, 03 Mar 2015 22:59:30 +0000hourly1By: Brucehttp://www.catholicvote.org/shockawe-archbishop-dolan-elected-president-of-usccb/comment-page-3/#comment-28505
BruceThu, 18 Nov 2010 16:12:35 +0000http://catholicvote.org/discuss/?p=11554#comment-28505Marchan, it appears that you are contradicting yourself over and over again. You have told us that Jesus and the Church have told us not to judge, then when presented with facts suggesting that you may have misinterpreted the subject, you then say it is okay to judge (as you said above, “To judge others it’s okay”). You seemed to have quoted a piece of Scripture completely out of context and are attempting to use it to defend your thesis about refusing Holy Communion. You also seemed to have missed all information pertaining to Canon Law on the subject as well as the importance of well-formed conscience. A learned faith is a stronger faith. As it appears now, it may be as if you have rather resorted to repeatedly saying “judge not” over and over again, despite such an answer appearing to lack all meaning. Jesus, and the Church (per the Catechism) warns against rash judgment (condemnation) but clearly demands that we judge behaviors and actions rightly. The Catechism tells us that when we judge another’s actions, we must take into account all things involving the action (intent, ignorance, etc), so as to avoid false accusation, detraction, or calumny. It does not, however, tell us to avoiding judging behaviors and actions entirely, but instead tells us to avoid doing so in a rash and incomplete manner. Not only that, but the Catechism tells us that it is our duty to judge the behavior, and if it is determined to be truly wrong (i.e., not a rash judgment or detraction), to “try all suitable ways to bring the other to a correct interpretation so that he may be saved.”(CCC 2477-2478). This is EXACTLY what our Bishops do with politicians who publicly promote the grave sin of abortion. When observing Canon Law 915, they do so in a private and personal manner, but first meeting with the politician and making sure they understand the gravity of their actions and the fact that they are at odds with Church teaching and with salvation. This prevents against the rash judgment you, and all of us, rightfully abhor. If the politician persists in his or her behavior, then the Bishop has no other recourse than to prevent that person from receiving Holy Communion as a way to protect their soul against further damnation. As for the judgment Jesus was speaking of in the text you quote, He was clearly referring to final judgment and condemnation of the soul, which is His alone. As for dealing with the judgment of our behaviors and the behaviors of our brothers and sisters, Jesus clearly wanted us to make sure we are not blinded by our own sins before addressing the sins of others, as he speaks of in the lines following that which you quote. To love our neighbor means to tell him or her the truth of their actions and behaviors when they run contrary to their salvation. We do not do so rashly or hastily, but carefully and compassionately. But to ignore such behaviors due to the misinterpretation of “judging” is to be neither compassionate nor Christian. Finally, you have also said that “Jesus taught compassion”, but you have left out (perhaps mistakenly) that He also taught to “Go and sin no more” and also, on a occasion, told someone to “Get behind me, you Satan!”. Compassion and truth go hand in hand, and you cannot have one without the other. Sometimes the truth seems harsh to our feelings and emotions at times, but at the same time is necessary for our salvation. That is real compassion, and Jesus showed it time and time again…to not be concerned with flawed feelings and emotions of fallen humanity at the expense of their salvation, which is far more important.
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MarchanThu, 18 Nov 2010 14:44:08 +0000http://catholicvote.org/discuss/?p=11554#comment-28501Let’s clarify what’s been written. You wrote that what I thought Jesus meant by His statement “Do not judge” was not actually true. It’s important that you follow St Francis Prayer of understanding. My answer is to direct to you to the Catechism book section III of the 8th commandment number 2477. You can do a search in the internet. It says it clearly not to judge others. Also the priest has said in mass not to judge others and not make statements to others that I’m more catholic than others. To judge others it’s ok. It’s in what regards you are judging and how you do it. Catholics must be Tactful.
No I cannot give an example of any person or institution that is free from error or sin. I do not think there is one. I think that it is a goal for the catholic consciousness.
We do not have to deny Holy Communion to a pro-abortion politician. If this is the most important matter of faith in the Catholic Church and if we must believe it in order to be Catholic then we are hurting ourselves by denying other things that are more important. Also it’s just plain rejection Which Jesus did not teach to reject. He taught compassion. Priests have said that there other matters that politicians have used that go against the catholic faith and that are more important. Like war. So we do not have to deny Holy Communion to a pro-abortion politician. The restriction of communion does not apply and the same to many other sins. That’s why some priests do not consider it a sin. Talk to priest and ask him. If it’s true that all priests deny communion to politicians that believe that abortion is okay. Then there some priest who are not following this rule. You will here from me from time to time. God bless you.
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One True CatholicWed, 17 Nov 2010 22:32:59 +0000http://catholicvote.org/discuss/?p=11554#comment-28466As a New Yorker, I agree with MarB. The sight of Dolon endorsing the active gay agenda at St. Francis Xavier is enough to show he is not a conservative. Worse yet, he is NOT a defender of the faith. He now wishes to set himself up, through the Conference of Corrupt Bishops as the “pope of the U.S.”. He does not speak for the one true faith. Those of you who are praising him had better come up with some hard facts soon. Otherwise, I will assume you think Bristol can dance!
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NathanWed, 17 Nov 2010 18:46:34 +0000http://catholicvote.org/discuss/?p=11554#comment-28423With 10 candidates, it can take a few rounds to gain a majority of votes. I consider Archbishop Chaput a friend of mine, and I too would’ve liked to have seen him win the VP. It might simply be coincidence, but the last two runners-up to the VP slot were eventually sent to cardinalatial sees–and Rigali just so happens to be waiting for Rome to accept his resignation. Just sayin’. Regardless of where he is, Chaput is going to speak the Truth, and that’s why we love him. That and because he’s an extraordinarily kind man!
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NathanWed, 17 Nov 2010 18:41:31 +0000http://catholicvote.org/discuss/?p=11554#comment-28422Courtesy of Rocco: “Through the summer, nominations are solicited from the body of bishops, each of whom may submit up to five names. From the results, the conference staff crunch a list of the ten most-cited prelates. Each is contacted and asked to accept nomination and, provided they do, that sets the slate for the presidency…”
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BruceWed, 17 Nov 2010 16:06:39 +0000http://catholicvote.org/discuss/?p=11554#comment-28415Perhaps I missed it, but could you show me where you answered my questions on the previous page? As for faith, let us explore that topic a bit, if you will. (1) How do we know what are matters of faith?
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BruceWed, 17 Nov 2010 15:17:56 +0000http://catholicvote.org/discuss/?p=11554#comment-28412You have stated, yet again, that “It’s not something Jesus Christ would do” but you have provided no proof that this is the case. I shall ask you, yet again, to give us the proof of your argument. Thus far, we have heard little more to support your theory beyond that you “think it is a matter of faith”, but as you know, in the Catholic Church, matters of faith are very clearly defined. I have not seen your statement defined as a matter of faith in the Church. So with that obviously not true, what other evidence can you provide to support your theory?
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BruceWed, 17 Nov 2010 15:11:36 +0000http://catholicvote.org/discuss/?p=11554#comment-28411You said: “Regarding the PROOF that Jesus would do as I say. It hard to prove it the way you want it to be proved. I think its matter of faith.” But you have already stated that Jesus would act in the manner you suggested. Since you now admit that you cannot prove such a thing, you admit that it is a matter of faith on your part. But matters of faith are well defined and can easily be accessed in the Catechism which you claim to have. Therefore, something can be proven to be a matter of faith. In the Catholic Church, the actions and words of Jesus have been well documented, interpreted, and studied for over two thousand years. I am not aware of any tenant of faith that requires us to believe in the statement you have provided, which would mean that I have either missed it, you are purposely misleading, or you are mistaken and merely providing an opinion and not a matter of faith. (1) Can you prove to us that your statement, that Jesus would disapprove of denying Holy Communion to a pro-abortion politician, is indeed an indisputable matter of faith in the Catholic Church (i.e., we must believe it in order to be Catholic)?
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BruceWed, 17 Nov 2010 15:02:25 +0000http://catholicvote.org/discuss/?p=11554#comment-28410Since you “value the truth” it is good that you acknowledge that the Church is now one of the safest places in the world for children, having done more to correct the manifest errors of its past. You have also correctly admitted that you judge as well, despite your misgivings surrounding a mistaken interpretation of “Do not judge”. You have said you do judge, as does everyone else, and that what you thought Jesus meant by His statement was not actually true. That is good, well done! Now that those two things are resolved, let us go onto a third. You have also stated, “It’s good to think that a person or institution have to be free from error or sin to speak truth”. Can you give an example of any person or institution that is free from error or sin?
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Scott W.Wed, 17 Nov 2010 14:17:24 +0000http://catholicvote.org/discuss/?p=11554#comment-28405It’s a secret ballot, so no.
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