I was intrigued by Ken's remarks about the 3 hour wait he had at the submarine museum. Hours of operation is standard for many Amazing Race tasks, so he was a bit absurd in suggesting that this was unfair as it eliminated Ken/Tina's lead over the other 2 top teams starting AR10. I searched for and discovered this additional information:

The Museum of Russia’s Submarine Fleet

Russian diesel submarine B-396, “The Novosibirsky Komsomolets,” was decommissioned in 1998 and moved to Moscow in 2003, where that winter a drop in water levels caused the craft to break on the shallow banks of the reservoir where it was stored. Now those holes have been patched and the submarine has been retrofitted to allow visitors a trip into Russian naval history. The permanent exhibit includes tours through the various sections of the submarine, including the torpedo bays, control deck and living quarters, as well as information on the history of Russia’s submarine fleet. 44-48 Ul. Svobody, Severnoe Tushino Park, Wed.-Sun. 10am-5pm (by appointment only), 729-6602. M. Skhodnenskaya.

It has a companion ship(I am guessing a tender) the Druzhsky.

So, Ken/Tina would have arrived to the sub museum about 7am and had to wait until 10am to enter.

Maybe. The sign on the wall had 9-5 on it. But who knows how legit that was? I didn't see any other tourists, and there was no footage of racers paying admission; maybe the sub was reserved for them a short time.

Based on the key information that the most efficient racer (Nick) took 2 hours to complete the Roadblock, I have developed this rough timeline for episode 10 for Nick/Starr:

Pitstop release after 7amArrive at the Sub Museum by taxi well before 10amOpening Hour for Sub Museum 10amGuess at taxi ride to Park Iskusst, Moument of Fallen Heroes arrival 1045amRoadblock time to complete(2 hours per Starr talking to Nick in an Extra Video) results in 1245pmTaxi to entrance to Sokol'niki Park and walk to pony lady 130pmDetour - RIDE the RAILS - take the suway from Sokol'niki to Lubyanka, then change for the line to 1905 Street Station arrive 215pmFind marked sandwich shop, buy samsa, get on subway to Kitai-Gorod arrive 245pmFind babushka, get postcard and get back on subway 300pmArrive VDNKh metro stop (6 from Kitai-Gordo on the same line) and find cluebox 330pmReach pitstop in VDNKh Park around 345pm

I know this differs from Chateau's estimate of slightly after 5pm.Anyone that has any insights on how long it takes to do taxis or get around on the Moscow subway(which I have done but only on the line out to Sheremetyevo Airport) should comment.

ty peach i asked the q y they did not make it bk for the finaly on another thread..also i was listing to the interview again and i am up set for 2 reasons one it sounded to me like the guy changing the mike batterys was partly to blam and 2 if tar ppl new no camera after 3 they should have gotten a penality not a long long walk..they would still be in the race if not for production, jmo.. dallas said hetook of the paket thing to change his mike battery.. i will listen again, but i am pretty sure that is what he said??

Why didn't the leg show the depature times? I wish cbs would put them up. I wanted to know how far behind Nick and Starr and Andrew and Dan were. I hope that they show them on the finale.

I can offer you a hypothesis. That is that they wanted to maintain the suspense of Andrew and Dan vs. Toni/Dallas and Ken/Tina right up until the 10th pitstop. Until then, we had no reference times and could only hypothesize about how the various teams were doing. By cutting off vital start times, CBS/World Race Productions perhaps made a statement about who is in control. It was unprecedented and hopefully will never happen again.

Sometimes, the race action is affected by off-camera issues. In Sunday's episode, the teams gathered their first clue on a Russian submarine. But Tina noted that when she and Ken arrived at the boat, the tourist attraction wasn't open. By the time it was opened three hours later, all the other teams had caught up, eliminating their advantage.

here is a photo of Toni and Dallas waiting ...

You're Gonna Get Me Killed" -- Mother/son team Dallas (left) and Toni find a Route Marker by finding the senior sonar officer from The Hunt for Red October aboard this famous Soviet submarine anchored in the Moscow River, on THE AMAZING RACE 13

Why didn't the leg show the depature times? I wish cbs would put them up. I wanted to know how far behind Nick and Starr and Andrew and Dan were. I hope that they show them on the finale.

I can offer you a hypothesis. That is that they wanted to maintain the suspense of Andrew and Dan vs. Toni/Dallas and Ken/Tina right up until the 10th pitstop. Until then, we had no reference times and could only hypothesize about how the various teams were doing. By cutting off vital start times, CBS/World Race Productions perhaps made a statement about who is in control. It was unprecedented and hopefully will never happen again.

Maybe, gator 27, but we know from a Video Extra that Ken/Tina arrived at the sub museum around 7am. Working backward, that would mean about a 615pm finish of leg 9 with a 12 hour pitstop. That's sounds about right to me. I am not saying that you are wrong, because that could account for the non-disclosure of AR10 start time, but I think it is unlikely.

Isn't it usually not a 12 hour (or 12 hour increment eg. 36 hour, 60 hour) Pit Stop if CBS don't disclose the times the first team checked in?

Doesn't Phil usually say something like "Kynt and Vyxsin, who were the first to arrive *FLASHBACK* You're team number one *END FLASHBACK* Will depart, at XX:XX AM/PM"

Also, don't CBS play with the departure times to ensure the race stays close? I don't think they've ever let one team get on a really good flight while every other team gets hours behind on another flight.

Oddly enough, I just heard a podcast from Dallas where he commented on the Pitstops being 12, 18, 24, or 36 hours and how they got to tour around La Paz and Angkor Wat because those were 36 hour Pitstops.

Also they said that thanks to the Passport being returned, they were able to get it back that morning (5/14), and then grab a flight on 5/14 "after all the other teams" and, while they could not get there in time for the Finale Mat, they did make it in time for the post-Mat wrap party! Maybe apskip knows which one that might have been.

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Oddly enough, I just heard a podcast from Dallas where he commented on the Pitstops being 12, 18, 24, or 36 hours and how they got to tour around La Paz and Angkor Wat because those were 36 hour Pitstops.

Also they said that thanks to the Passport being returned, they were able to get it back that morning (5/14), and then grab a flight on 5/14 "after all the other teams" and, while they could not get there in time for the Finale Mat, they did make it in time for the post-Mat wrap party! Maybe apskip knows which one that might have been.

Yes, Peach. I consulted the Timeline, which cannot answer all questions but can answer that one:

For any teams who are too late (due to retrieval of lost documents or due to not having enough money for the taxi ride) to make the 0705 flight, then the next best alternative is the combinationKL3105 SVO AMS 1010 1200 connecting with KL6033 AMS SEA KL8067 1315 1435 connecting with SEA PDX 1600 1650

So Toni/Dallas would be through customs and ready to leave the airport by about 515pm.

There is another flight that leaves at the same time through London to get to Seattle, but arrives PDX after 7pm. There is a flight DL47 SVO ATL 1310 1705 connecting with AS6025 ATL PDX 1900 2128.There is a more desirable afternoon flight SU229 SVO LAX 1420 1630 connecting with QF4113 LAX PDX 1850 2115.

Take your pick.

EDITOR'S NOTE - In an interview, Dallas stated that he retrieved the passports between 11am and 12pm. That means he was fairly certain to take SU229 at 1420 because he and Toni would not be able to make it for anything earlier.

The consulate doesn't open till 9, so I expect that by the time they made the call, found out the passport was there, went there, got the passport, and then went to the airport , that they probably had to take one of those afternoon flights arr after 9.

Thanks!

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