Are you joking? I'm not going to get into the whole debate, but the entire system is predicated on cutting out the knees of guys who are busy with somebody else. It's basically the football equivalent of the sucker punch.

Sure it's effective, and sure it's legal, but that doesn't make it clean. I've watched too many donkos put dirty hits on other teams for too many years to blindly think Shanahan isn't encouraging that ****.

Oh I'm not denying it; however, there's a difference between sour grapes and just getting sick of watching players go down playing these guys. Jamal Williams, Drew Brees, Igor Olshansky, have all been victimized by pretty ugly shots by the Broncos, and that's just the last couple of years.

he complaining cuz he's a chargers fan. i called shanahan a slimeball because he knew wilson was damaged, denied it, yet still tried to trade him. i have no problem with ZBS thats just inner-division hate

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Oh I'm not denying it; however, there's a difference between sour grapes and just getting sick of watching players go down playing these guys. Jamal Williams, Drew Brees, Igor Olshansky, have all been victimized by pretty ugly shots by the Broncos, and that's just the last couple of years.

The olshansky hit had absolutley nothing to do with the ZBS, that was just a plain cheap shot. The ZBS as a system is not dirty, its designed to utilize double teams and speed of o-lineman to increase their effectiveness. The lineman that the broncos use have been dubbed as "dirty players", which may make shannahan the slimeball u call him, but not the system itself.

The scheme is proliferating across the league. Maybe if most of the NFL is using it, these people will stop bitching about it.

These people? Come on man, condescension doesn't look good on anyone. And the flip side of your argument is that when injuries start rising concurrently with the proliferation of the scheme, maybe the league will start doing something about it.

Are you joking? I'm not going to get into the whole debate, but the entire system is predicated on cutting out the knees of guys who are busy with somebody else. It's basically the football equivalent of the sucker punch.

Sure it's effective, and sure it's legal, but that doesn't make it clean. I've watched too many donkos put dirty hits on other teams for too many years to blindly think Shanahan isn't encouraging that ****.

You really shouldn't talk about things you don't know. Cutting someone while they are engaged with another player is illegal, and that isn't what the ZBS does. They just chop the backside DL to stop pursuit, which is perfectly legal and no more dangerous than normal blocking.

You really shouldn't talk about things you don't know. Cutting someone while they are engaged with another player is illegal, and that isn't what the ZBS does. They just chop the backside DL to stop pursuit, which is perfectly legal and no more dangerous than normal blocking.

How dare you point out that he doesn't actually know what he's talking about! He's a fan of a divisional rival! All that "fact" and "reality" BS gets left at the door, and you know that.

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he complaining cuz he's a chargers fan. i called shanahan a slimeball because he knew wilson was damaged, denied it, yet still tried to trade him. i have no problem with ZBS thats just inner-division hate

All you have to do is watch Al Wilson's press conference. He has no problem with the way Shanny handled things and is still a big fan of the organization and knows THIS IS A BUSINESS.

Well, when my Giants said Al Wilson failed his physical, I knew something was fishy. I thought maybe the Giants were just stupid, or they didnt like the trade enough and backed out. But, now I see they did the right thing.

Shannahan was trying to trade damaged goods to the Giants for a DE like Justin Tuck or a 3rd round pick.