duffblue:Gotta love these instant greenlights, guess the mods are the type of people that piss themselves at the idea of firearms.

Yep.

Because only a complete coward would think that gun nuts should have a few basic responsibilities placed on the acquisition and distribution of their deadly toys. I mean, it's not like any other rights come with limitations on their use based on the impact it can have on other people or anything.

The REAL tragedy here, after all, is that somebody might have to wait an extra day or two to get a gun or reload slightly more often at the local range. Truly a historical atrocity with no equal.

Deaths in the U.S. Automobiles, which kill 117 Americans a day, or nearly 43,000 a year. Then comes flu, which (along with pneumonia, its associated disease) kills 36,000 people. Third is guns: 26,000 deaths. Fourth, food-borne illness: 5,000. And finally, terrorism, which in a typical year claims virtually no U.S. lives

Deep Contact:Deaths in the U.S. Automobiles, which kill 117 Americans a day, or nearly 43,000 a year. Then comes flu, which (along with pneumonia, its associated disease) kills 36,000 people. Third is guns: 26,000 deaths. Fourth, food-borne illness: 5,000. And finally, terrorism, which in a typical year claims virtually no U.S. lives

Well, you could consider a random public murder suicide an act of terror. Israel does

You can do whatever you want but considering studies have already been done on the matter that conclude that successful defensive gun incidents are fairly uncommon (even when you include "defensive" actions like chasing down an assailant after they've already begun to flee) you might want to look into the facts a little more closely before you make them there numbers too visible and hold them up next to the thousands of gun deaths that will occur in the coming year.There's a reason gun nuts don't generally quote hard numbers and stick more to generic statements like "it won't work because culture". The numbers don't look very good from that side of the argument.

Vegan Meat Popsicle:duffblue: Gotta love these instant greenlights, guess the mods are the type of people that piss themselves at the idea of firearms.

Yep.

Because only a complete coward would think that gun nuts should have a few basic responsibilities placed on the acquisition and distribution of their deadly toys. I mean, it's not like any other rights come with limitations on their use based on the impact it can have on other people or anything.

The REAL tragedy here, after all, is that somebody might have to wait an extra day or two to get a gun or reload slightly more often at the local range. Truly a historical atrocity with no equal.

I've taken several gun safety classes, been waited the week I need before purchases, been background checked by the FBI, fingerprinted, etc. and keep my stuff locked in a safe . A few basic responsibilities are already in place. And I'm not against any of it. You are arguing against a strawman.

Vegan Meat Popsicle:duffblue: Gotta love these instant greenlights, guess the mods are the type of people that piss themselves at the idea of firearms.

Yep.

Because only a complete coward would think that gun nuts should have a few basic responsibilities placed on the acquisition and distribution of their deadly toys. I mean, it's not like any other rights come with limitations on their use based on the impact it can have on other people or anything.

The REAL tragedy here, after all, is that somebody might have to wait an extra day or two to get a gun or reload slightly more often at the local range. Truly a historical atrocity with no equal.

Millions of law abiding citizens should not have their rights restricted in an attempt to target the few crazies or gang bangers who decide that shooting fellow human beings is a sport..

You can do whatever you want but considering studies have already been done on the matter that conclude that successful defensive gun incidents are fairly uncommon (even when you include "defensive" actions like chasing down an assailant after they've already begun to flee) you might want to look into the facts a little more closely before you make them there numbers too visible and hold them up next to the thousands of gun deaths that will occur in the coming year.There's a reason gun nuts don't generally quote hard numbers and stick more to generic statements like "it won't work because culture". The numbers don't look very good from that side of the argument.

It's the same reason a lot of the Repubs wouldn't accept Nate Silver's analysis of the presidential race. Numbers have a liberal bias. Just let them go, if you let them get high on their own jenkem it makes their tears even more delicious later on when their side inevitably fails.

You are under no obligation to keep your guns secured. Completely the opposite. It is illegal for the government to tell you that you have to keep your guns secured. And unless you have a state law that says otherwise, you are under no obligation to complete a safety class.

But by all means, keep pretending your personal experience means anything at all.

BokChoy:Millions of law abiding citizens should not have their rights restricted in an attempt to target the few crazies or gang bangers who decide that shooting fellow human beings is a sport..

Wrong.

This is a long-settled legal matter. You do not have any absolute right and we are done discussing that particular "issue" since there is a clear and objective truth to it. Your rights can be curtailed to protect the rights of others, it's been litigated, the decision has been made, there is no further discussion to be had.

manimal2878:Vegan Meat Popsicle: duffblue: Gotta love these instant greenlights, guess the mods are the type of people that piss themselves at the idea of firearms.

Yep.

Because only a complete coward would think that gun nuts should have a few basic responsibilities placed on the acquisition and distribution of their deadly toys. I mean, it's not like any other rights come with limitations on their use based on the impact it can have on other people or anything.

The REAL tragedy here, after all, is that somebody might have to wait an extra day or two to get a gun or reload slightly more often at the local range. Truly a historical atrocity with no equal.

I've taken several gun safety classes, been waited the week I need before purchases, been background checked by the FBI, fingerprinted, etc. and keep my stuff locked in a safe . A few basic responsibilities are already in place. And I'm not against any of it. You are arguing against a strawman.

Some people don't do those things. We need to make sure they don't have weapons.

Vegan Meat Popsicle:You are under no obligation to keep your guns secured. Completely the opposite. It is illegal for the government to tell you that you have to keep your guns secured. And unless you have a state law that says otherwise, you are under no obligation to complete a safety class.

You are completely mistaken, about the government not being able to tell you to keep the things locked up. Read the Heller decision. The whole thing.

Many states require the state law. I don't know why you are arguing that is a bad thing. Isn't it what you want?

I love the fact that people in here are all pissed off that someone is trying to get a handle on gun death statistics. It's particularly amusing because the NRA has basically banned funding for those kind of studies.

America - where people get offended at very notion that we should gather information about something to try and understand it better.

Semi-Sane:The problem is all of the victims were unarmed. If more people carried guns these type of violent crimes would cease to exist. Children need to be given guns and trained how to properly use them.

I think everyone should have a device designed to instantly kill another person within arms reach at all times.

Carn:manimal2878: WhippingBoy: If I can have a gun, shouldn't I also be allowed to have a nuclear tipped missile?

Retard.

I don't think he is. Answer one question: Does the amount of carnage one can inflict depend on the type of weapon one is using to commit said act of carnage?

Take all the time you need. There is only one correct answer. After you get it right we can have a meaningful conversation about gun control.

What does you question have to do with the anything? There is a difference between arms, small arms, ordinance, and destructive devices. After you understand that you can join the meaningful discussion.