Is the problem that we are forgetting half the heros???

yeah forget about all those who put the bill on johnsons desk as well....one indeed

List them out, bud.

That's the point of the thread.

Interesting point, indeed. I found it interesting to look back in history at the actual bill voting through the Senate and House of representatives.
Yes, there were many more heroes involved to get that onto Johnson's desk.

yeah forget about all those who put the bill on johnsons desk as well....one indeed

List them out, bud.

That's the point of the thread.

Interesting point, indeed. I found it interesting to look back in history at the actual bill voting through the Senate and House of representatives.
Yes, there were many more heroes involved to get that onto Johnson's desk.

I'm not sure which "they" you are referring to, but of course!!! The "they" that belong to the PTB who milked the situation for more power and
control... the "they" that had/have no real power who want to hate (and hurt) those they think are their oppressors... the "they" that lost privileges
and power who want to hate (and hurt) those who they think took away their privileges (or something)... Lots of "theys" in there who were quite happy
to ignore the truth for their self-serving agendas, fears, etc. Until it gets to the point that folks want to take down a statue because the man
bought slaves... completely and willfully ignorant that he was an abolitionist who bought slaves in order to free them.

I think it was considered to be more important to have figure heads that empowered the oppressed people.

There is nothing empowering about treating the oppressed like mushrooms.... not for the oppressed anyway. Knowledge is power, and the ones denying,
obfuscating, and withholding the truth for their hateful and hurtful lies are the ones empowered to further tyranny and oppression. Hence, today,
true heroes are scorned and the power pimps are lauded.

I think even in cases where the most important figure was white.

Especially when the most important was White -- and was truly the noble and honorable one. The power pimps can't have the oppressed see real actions
and solutions that really empower the oppressed.

That person decided to put the spotlight on what they considered the best face for the movement.

"Best" is subjective. Your "best" face is not necessarily my "best" face... it all depends on our intentions and motivations...

And I think the short term gains were more than measurable and I think it is far more likely that the narrative was just never changed.

Measurable? That's an odd word to use. The emancipation proclamation certainly provided gains for the slaves... but keeping the promise of 40 acres
and a mule would have provided much MUCH greater gains. The Civil Rights Act certainly provided some gains for minorities, but far more for the PTB
who went from using the color of law (and the barrel of a gun) to tell people who they cannot serve to telling them who they MUST serve.

And where has it gotten us today? Well, we've got folks who really and truly believe that all White people are racist and all White people are
privileged... and instead of raising ALL PEOPLE to that level, their solution is take down ALL PEOPLE to the oppressed level.

There are real and genuine means for empowering people... this ain't it.

1) Yea because the first white to speak out about such things were looked at well by their peers....(sarcasm..)

The whites/males who championed civil rights or sufferage were horribly persecuted.. any political benefit would have come AFTER civil rights was
enacted. There would have ONLY been negatives for them in speaking out in the early stages..

2) how is choosing an oppressed person hiding them in the dark like mushrooms... the white leaders who chose not to be the figure head would be the
one hiding themselves...

that literally makes zero sense.. using them as mushrooms would be using white figureheads when the most imortant person was black (for example..)

3) you say one like only one person was benevolent and EVERYONE else was power moungers.. which is ridiculous..

And it did have beneficial effects.. women and minorities can vote, segregation ended, exc, exc , exc...

4) best is subjective.. that's why I didn't say that was the best decision to make.. I said the bigwig would have THOUGHT it was best.. and I think
the short term benefits

5) progress is progress .. there is no such thing as perfect progress..

That was the most partisan shill post I've read today...

No original thought of cognitive thinking.. just parroting right wing demagogues..

You so funny. Couldn't actually quote me and put everything in context, eh? Wouldn't have served the agenda I guess. But I'll still play.

1) Yea because the first white to speak out about such things were looked at well by their peers....(sarcasm..)

WTH? There were always White people speaking out against slavery. ALWAYS. And there were ALWAYS other White people who said nothing but were
silently against slavery. And there were ALWAYS those White people who demanded slavery.

The whites/males who championed civil rights or sufferage were horribly persecuted.. any political benefit would have come AFTER civil rights
was enacted. There would have ONLY been negatives for them in speaking out in the early stages.

And yet, so many did anyway. All the more reason for those people to celebrated, honored and REMEMBERED!!!

Especially those who actually walked their talk, like the Freedom Riders.

2) how is choosing an oppressed person hiding them in the dark like mushrooms...

That doesn't make sense. Choosing an oppressed person for what? To honor and celebrate? By all means!!! But it isn't an either/or situation. We
can recognize and honor anyone and everyone that deserves it. And we should.

To clarify, in case I wasn't clear enough, ignoring and denying the contributions of White people is the "treating them like mushrooms" part -- in
other words, keeping people in the dark about the truth and feeding them crap. No one accomplished anything alone, and no one race accomplished
everything themselves. It was always -- ALWAYS -- a team effort.

Instead we're all now being told that all White people are necessarily racist and that we're all the enemy -- and many many people believe it! That's
only possible because the efforts of White people have been ignored and denied.

the white leaders who chose not to be the figure head would be the one hiding themselves...

Huh??? So Lafayette was "hiding himself" these last 200+ years? It wasn't the victors writing the history after he was dead and gone who were
"hiding him"???

True leaders never toot their own horn -- the promote the cause, not themselves. But we're not talking about just the living.

that literally makes zero sense.. using them as mushrooms would be using white figureheads when the most imortant person was black (for
example..)

3) you say one like only one person was benevolent and EVERYONE else was power moungers.. which is ridiculous..

No, I didn't... but it's instructive that is how you read it.

And it did have beneficial effects.. women and minorities can vote, segregation ended, exc, exc , exc...

I never said it didn't have some beneficial effects... of course they threw the little people some scraps. I just pointed out the greater political
benefit for the PTB -- and the adverse effects for the rest of us -- as well, which you don't seem to want to acknowledge. Hmmmm....

5) progress is progress .. there is no such thing as perfect progress..

Yeah, well, two steps forward and one step back might be considered progress, but it does untold damage in the process. Kinda like "Well, I only beat
you and raped you, I didn't kill you."

That was the most partisan shill post I've read today...

No original thought of cognitive thinking.. just parroting right wing demagogues..

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