The inclusion of wifi is clearly not needed appease people like us, but if TiVo wants to have mass market appeal, they do need built-in wifi to appease a much broader audience. MOCA and ethernet cables are not solutions for the general public, plain and simple.

(MOCA maybe if set up by the cable installer and totally transparent to the consumer, but this is not a general public solution for retail devices)

That's your opinion - MoCA is very easy to use and is a good solution for almost anyone. It's also a heck of a lot more reliable than wireless which is why Tivo makes it optional (for support reasons alone).

I agree that Tivo should make it easier for consumers by offering a cheap MoCA adapter with the boxes, and you have to have either a wireless router or an AP/switch if you want to install either solution so nothing is truly plug and play.

That's your opinion - MoCA is very easy to use and is a good solution for almost anyone. It's also a heck of a lot more reliable than wireless which is why Tivo makes it optional (for support reasons alone).

I agree that Tivo should make it easier for consumers by offering a cheap MoCA adapter with the boxes, and you have to have either a wireless router or an AP/switch if you want to install either solution so nothing is truly plug and play.

It's only a good solution if you have a little bit of tech knowledge. My mother can turn on her computer and login to Facebook. That's it. She uses her Tivo that I connected for her. She doesn't know anymore than that and has no desire to learn.

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Yes, and wireless won't be plug and play for Mom either, it can be as troublesome to get working as MoCA (which isn't much). That was the point.

Not nearly as troublesome as MoCa. Wifi is mainstream. MoCa is not. Most people don't know what it is. Most people who have it already in their home via their Verizon FIOS router, don't know what it is. People are going to hear about some new technology and be turned off.

That being said, I am a huge MoCa fan. It's the greatest thing since wifi.

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Not nearly as troublesome as MoCa. Wifi is mainstream. MoCa is not. Most people don't know what it is. Most people who have it already in their home via their Verizon FIOS router, don't know what it is. People are going to hear about some new technology and be turned off.

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But MoCA is not even a new technology. It's been out for over six years now. It's nothing new. I got my first MoCA devices in Summer 2007 when I first got FiOS.

MOCA is a bridging technology that is basically plug and play. How is it "troublesome"? You put some sort of adapter at either end of the coax and it basically turns into a long run of Ethernet.

Dan

It's troublesome because it requires additional stuff that mainstream users, including me, don't understand, want to deal with, or even care about. WiFi is universal and serves well for most. Hell, I'm still running G adapters on my TiVos that aren't hard wired ethernet and that's sufficient for my purposes.

I'm with everyone else....there is no excuse for TiVo not including integrated WiFi as part of what they tout as a premium product.

It's troublesome because it requires additional stuff that mainstream users, including me, don't understand, want to deal with, or even care about. WiFi is universal and serves well for most. Hell, I'm still running G adapters on my TiVos that aren't hard wired ethernet and that's sufficient for my purposes.

I'm with everyone else....there is no excuse for TiVo not including integrated WiFi as part of what they tout as a premium product.

I agree. I think there was a time when wifi seemed "troublesome" too for most users. However, wifi had the novelty of freeing people from wires. MoCa seems like a step backwards for someone who has never used it.

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It's troublesome because it requires additional stuff that mainstream users, including me, don't understand, want to deal with, or even care about. WiFi is universal and serves well for most. Hell, I'm still running G adapters on my TiVos that aren't hard wired ethernet and that's sufficient for my purposes. .

And when your average user adds another wifi Tivo and streaming sucks or doesn't work at all, who gets the call? Tivo. Or your HDUI is bog-slow because it's too laggy retrieving stuff for the discovery bar over wifi, who gets the call? Tivo.

I can see why they wouldn't include wifi specifically because they don't want to take those calls, when 90+% of the time it's the user's crappy wireless setup.

MoCA, generally speaking, does not have these issues just like wired Ethernet.