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I have about 300 trail miles hiking on the PCT, and…

I have about 300 trail miles hiking on the PCT, and about 300 miles of bicycle touring while using this stove. My thoughts are as follows:

1) The stove must be filled completely with fuel, and a bit of fuel needs to be spilled on the sides for it to prime properly. It must also be relatively level.

2) You must use quality methanol or ethanol fuel. HEET in the red bottle or isopropyl alcohol will not work. I even had a bad batch of generic HEET in the yellow bottle once. Use name brand fuel.

3) You must have a lid on your pot and a windscreen. I made a simple aluminum windscreen that fits inside my MSR Titan Kettle (along with the stove; it fits inside a Titan perfectly).

4) Be patient. It's not a white gas or butane stove. It will boil water if you give it time. It also won't leave you stranded like a malfunctioning gas stove has left me, at the CA/OR border on the PCT with rain and drizzle and 30 miles to the next resupply. Believe me, cold, hard Liptons aren't very tasty.

5) This is optional and NOT recommended, but it worked for me: I drilled out the bottom hole 3/16" to allow easier and faster filling. I also slightly enlarged the jets all the way around. Now, I have faster boils and a more consistent flame pattern. Modify at your own risk!

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If you read the other reviews, they all say it worked…

If you read the other reviews, they all say it worked great in my garage/basement. The people who tried it in the field are not so sure. This happened to me. I tried it indoors and it performed OK. Full up with fuel, 2 cups, boiled (just).

On a PCT section hike from Canada to Snoqualmie Pass recently, I wished over and over again that I had tested further. It barely gets 2 cups to boiling outdoors. Foil windbreak used. After the first burn I had to wait for it to cool then put in extra fuel to get a full boil or to heat any 2 stage meal (eg. boil noodles, then add tuna etc).

My old Pepsi can stove is a much better performer. Lasts longer, less sputtering. The selling point that got me was indestructibility but the Pepsi can stove fits perfectly in a cup so it doesn't really get exposed to crushing in your pack.

I really, really wanted this to work as I am constantly…

I really, really wanted this to work as I am constantly striving to cut weight and things that possibly could break but this stove failed in repeated tests in my basement laboratory under what should have been ideal conditions (no wind, moderate room temperature, and warmish tap water).

I did not have trouble lighting it and on the first attempt filled it just to the top of the fill hole in the center of the stove. It burned for approximately seven minutes and two cups of water didn't even come close to boiling - there were only small bubbles on the sides and bottom of a titanium pot).

So, back to the drawing boards; I filled it all the way to the top and relit. After nine minutes and thirty seconds it ran out of fuel and once again the water (two cups the typical requirement for freeze dried meals) had not even approached a boil. This is a product that I definitely will return to REI.

Hopefully they'll pull it off the shelves and quit selling it. One tester at REI said he got his to boil water in five minutes and thiry seconds. He must have been using rocket fuel; I used what the instructions required which is denatured alcohol and my results were less than dismal.

It's back to my titanium Snowpeak Gigapower in the summer and my MSR Dragonfly in the winter. The Dragonfly will melt a pot of snow in half the time this stove required to bring water to a lukewarm temperature.

I have both the old and new design of this stove. As long as I keep a tight windscreen on them they work great. You need the reflected heat to make these work the way they should. The new stove does not prime as easily as the old but with the wind screen on it works great, give it another try.

I've read the other reviews and agree the key to getting this thing to work is over filling and spilling a little fuel down the sides. It also helps to have a large dimension pot to keep the flames directed to the bottom rather than up the sides of the pot.

But I have been very disappointed with the burn time to get a boil going. In fact at high altitude it hasn't boiled. So I'll continue to use my Soto stove and canister fuel.

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Just got the stove, looked like a cool design. I have…

Just got the stove, looked like a cool design. I have many other alcohol stove. The best of which is the Trangia Westwind. Tried this stove in my garage. Filled it. Lit it. It primed fast, (spilled a little fuel around the edge.) I placed my titanium pot on top with .5 liters of water, room temp. the stove burned but the water never boiled. Only small bubbles formed. Finally after about 12-14 minutes the stove sputtered out. I am glad I did not rely on this stove in the field.

While I like the design I will stick to my Westwind. Far more reliable and always brings water to a rolling boil without burning out and does it in about 7 minutes.

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Pickup at a REI Crash&Dent sale Perfect for day…

Perfect for day hike, 3 day trips or emergencies.
Used a 7"aluminum cake pan( dollar store) as a wind screen for a Evernew Ti 1.3 pot, 1 liter of water in 11mins (bubbles forming) Stove/pot is 6.5 oz ( same weight w/Snowpeak 700).

Try it with the Primus Eta express Pot,the vanes on the base overlapped the burn holes and stove flamed out. used plumbers cloth to lift the pot 1/4" higher, 1L rolling boils in 9 mins.

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I have one of these and did a controlled test after…

I have one of these and did a controlled test after reading the mixed reviews here. I found that 2 cups of water in a 2 QT Open Country pot was boiling the water with the fuel only half gone. This was in a 60 degree garage using my very cold well water.

I think the differences between reviewers is due to windscreen usage. Windscreens are very important for alcohol stoves. I have a homemade, full wraparound aluminum windscreen made from a piece of flashing. It leaves about a quarter to half inch gap around the entire pot and has a number of holes along the bottom. This creates the proper convection, air for combustion, gets/keeps the stove hot so the alcohol vapizes well, and directs the heat into the pot. I made it using directions on the Vargo website.

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I bought a Vargo Decagon stove on a whim while browsing…

I bought a Vargo Decagon stove on a whim while browsing at REI. It looked like a very cool design. Then I started seeing posts about how inefficient titanium stoves were compared to aluminum soda pop can designs. So I have been doing some testing.

I live at 6,400 feet elev. and there’s lots of snow at Lake Tahoe. I can bring 2 cups of cold tap water to a rolling boil at right around 5 min. 30 secs. every time. (Our tap water comes from the lake and it’s cold, probably 50 deg.) It doesn’t seem to matter if I’m outdoors or in. Then I can refill my aluminum pot and get it hot enough to get bubbles on the bottom before the flame goes out. (If I were smart, I’d get a 32 oz. pot.) An ounce of alcohol lasts about 14 minutes.

The secret to getting it primed fast is to spill a little alcohol on the outside of the stove then it comes out of the jets in about 20 secs. Otherwise it takes about 45. The stove is sensitive to wind and I can blow it out. I recover unused alcohol easily with a paper funnel. It has a wide base and feels very solid.

I haven’t used it on a trek yet, but am anxious to. I think I’ll be very happy with it.

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I have heard people say they have had trouble getting…

I have heard people say they have had trouble getting a good boil going with this stove. I took mine straight to the 40 degree garage and got consistent 5 minute boil times for 2 cups of water. This was with no wind screen and 3 successful attempts with 3 different pots. 5 minutes each time.

We are supposed to get down to low 20's this weekend, I am curious to test the performance then. I believe that with a wind screen adding reflected heat, the time may get even better. Yes, it can be slow to prime if you just light the top, but external priming takes care of that.

I have experimented with many home made stoves and decided that the durability of titanium would be worth the price. I like this stove becauese of its consistency.

Update 9/27/14:

It's now September 2014 and the stove is still going strong. I love it. I now own both the old and the new style and I admit I like the old style better, as it primes easier. The new model is faster to fill. But you need to be more aggressive priming it and you need the reflective heat of a wind screen for both of these to work at their peak.

I just bought the Triad and its test boil went great. Between the two, I slightly lean toward the Triad for its smaller size and the pots seem more stable on them. Remember, windscreens are key to performance.

This stove is slow if you want to boil water. Takes…

This stove is slow if you want to boil water. Takes about 1 to 2 minutes to prime. Boil time was slow for 16 oz water at 46 degree inside building. Took 10 minutes to reach rolling boil. Burn time was at 16 minutes on 1.2 oz alcohol.

Next test I added a wick at base to prime stove. Stove preheated in 30 seconds but no improvement in boil time. Stove is light and durable. You can handle stove about 30 second after flame is out. When filling with fuel at slowly.

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I had better results than the previous reviewer. I…

I had better results than the previous reviewer. I used this stove with a JetBoil 1.5 liter FluxRing pot - 2 cups boiled in just under 5 minutes, and Lipton southwestern style rice and beans cooking time was similar to my Svea 123R.

It's lighter, burns greener and stinks less than the Svea too!

I have to say - this stove is vitually goof proof. Pour the fuel into the center cup, light it and the fuel is drawn into the burner area as the stove "primes". Voila - you get a well distributed flame. We used local rocks as a wind screen, and I think I prefer this stove to the Svea - although I'm not sure how it will hold up over time.

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On the plus side, it's very light (1.3oz on my scale)…

On the plus side, it's very light (1.3oz on my scale) and pretty rugged. The base gives it some stability. However, it's not a great performer. Boil time for two cups is 7-8 minutes, using not-very-cold tap water and absolutely no wind. I tried a Snow Peak titanium pan (2.5c capacity), a 1-qt thin stainless steel pan, and a 1.3-liter titanium pan, with similar results. I've only tried this stove at home so far.

Where weight is the primary concern, and no more than 2 cups of water are needed, it's probably OK. A windscreen of some kind would definitely be required, as you can blow out the flame easily.