February 26, 2005

Sgt. First Class David J. Salie of Columbus, Ga., went to serve in Iraq because he believed the cost was worth it, even if part of the payment was his own life. He was 34 years old and had spent almost half his life in the Army. He was part of that tiny, tiny minority of less than 1 percent of Americans who wear the uniform and take the risks to protect and defend the rest of us. He had everything to live for, but gave it all up for his country and another country and people 7,000 miles away.

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Sarah, my profoundest gratitude for a most excellent post. We will add SFC. Salie to our Roll of Honour. And also, I was under the false impression that Joe Galloway was dead. He is a journalist that I have wanted to get in contact with, thank you most profoundly. Your husband is very lucky to have you, as I am sure he knows. Later on, Darling Girl.

Posted by: 2Hotel9 at February 27, 2005 09:19 PM (N2UkW)

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To put Joe Galloway Lier,Plagerist, name with Hornrable Journalist is a travisty.
Joe Galloway never saved Jimmy.
Joe "Jimmy wase wearing Nylon combat Boots", the 1st Cavlavry was never issued this item when we deployed to vietnam in 1965.
I bought a copy of Requiem just before Christmas here in Australia and, after looking through it, feel that it is a wonderful tribute to all of the photographers who lost their lives in Viet Nam and Cambodia. It brought back a lot of memories to see some familiar names like Kate Webb, Al Kaff, Hugh Van Es,
Joe Galloway,
Bob Carroll and others in the list of Acknowledgements. I think that Horst Faas and Tim Page have put together a very moving memorial to a brave group of photographers.
Regards, Sue Troath
-- Sue Troath (sue.troath@tip.csiro.au), February 23, 1998.
Return to Hollywood: We Were Soldiers Once -- But in Which War?
We Were Soldiers (#7789) by Russell L. Ross on January 30, 2003 at 2:24 PM Reviewer: Russell L. Ross lzalbany65@aol.com from San Jose, CA
Fiction We Were Soldiers Once and Young X-Ray part.
page references are from the hardback.
FICTION: Fabarication applies particulary to a false but carefully invented statement or a series of statements, in which some truth is sometimes interwoven, the whole usually intended to deceive.
The Greatest Hero "People everywhere are smitten- With a tale that is written. Once a hero's deeds are known- They're as good as etched in stone. Every word, folks take to heart- And think this makes them very smart. Amazing how the very wise- Never stop to realize- That what they read may not be true.
Groo Moral: Even when the words are true the may not speak the truth Groo Can you make Col. Klink ( Moore ) and Rambo the Reporter (Galloway ) into hero's pages from the hardback Lt. Col. Moore was the Col. Klink of the war? He knew nothing, nothing Page 17 Moore's new concepts & techniques were written in the 1950's FM 57-35 Army Transport Avation-Combat Operations, 1963 FM 57-35 Airmobile Operations. by Officers he worked with? in 1957. Moore in 1957 "I was in on the concept of Airmobility with Gavin, Norton, Seneff Williams". With 2 1/2 years writing, 1 1/2 years training in Airmobile tatics in the 11Air Assault Division Test, for a total of 4 years and yet he retained nothing about Airmobile tatics. Page 37 Crandall "Moore wanted Aviation present, to be part of his Staff". Moore, Crandall or his ALO had to coordinate the flight time from Plei Me to X-Ray, flight routes, fire support, resuppy, Medevac Huey. Moore couldnt plan the operation with out Crandall ( aviation ) present. Page 60 As Crandall flared the huey to land at Landing Zone X-Ray Moore & his troops starts firing their weapons. FM 57-35 There is no firing from the helicopter during flight, landing or any other time. Pity the troop to their right a face full of hot brass, left ear drums ringing, brass on floor or getting caught in the Huey's controls Moore who had been listening to the battle of Landing Zone Albany on the radio voluntered for the 1st Battalion 7th Cavalry to go to Columbus to guard the artillary, So the 2nd Battalion 5th Cavalry could go and reinforce ALBANY. MYTHS of The Ia Drang Valley Some Officers even Kinnard stated that Moore voluntered to go into ALBANY but he didnt. and from Persons in the book That Moore and Galloway write good about give in return and adds to the MYTHS about the 1/7 and Moore. One Reporter Bob Poos of Soldier of Fortune writes that Moore and the 1st Battalion 7th Cavalry was the ones who relived the Plie me camp, Soldier of Fortune March 83 page 29-30 ARVN AMBUSH 3rd column last 2 paragraphs. Plie Me did get relief- with a vengeance- from the 1st Cavalry Division. Through a strange coincidance, the camp commander, Capt Harold Moore, Learned later that much of the relief force was commanded by a name sake, Lt. Col. Harold Moore commander of the 1st Battalion 7th Cavalry. When in fact it was my old unit the 2nd Battalion 8th Cavalry. Capt George Forrest when he spoke to the Old Guard said Lt. Col. Moore was there in the 11AAD in 1963. So starts the myths about Lt. Col. Moore and the 1st Battalion 7th Cavalry. Moore idea would cost time becouse the 1st Battalion 7th Cavalry would have to be to Columbus 4 hours, Then the 2nd Battalion 5th Cavalry would have to be flown to Albany another 4 hours. 8 hours to renforce Albany? So why didnt Kinnard send the 1st Battalion 7th Cavalry to reinforce ALBANY? They were probally to drunk? they had spent the day of the 17 in the Bars of Pleiku The most outrageous LIE Page 287 At Landing Zone Albany. There on the dying enemy soldier something shiny. A big battered old French army Bugle. FACT: This Bugle was captured at Landing Zone X-Ray and brought into Landing Zone Albany by the reinforcements. Leadership Principle 1 Be Technically and Tactically Proficent To know you job thoroughly, you must posses not only specific knowledge of its details but also a broad general knowledge concerning its area of intrest. you should be competent in combat operations and training as well as in the technical and admimistrative aspects of your duties. If you demonstrate deficincies in these functions,your subordinates will lose confidance in you as a leader. Moore is under the delusion he has come up with a new Air Assault tatic for the 1st lift would doom his men. for the want of a nail, The 2nd Battalion 7th Cavalry. As the Battle of Landing Zone X-Ray would grind up, The Troops, Helicopters and Artillary. Making them unavalible for other units. Leading to the walk to Landing Zone Albany by the 2/7. What happend. It would appear Moore would be the first one chosen by Kinnard for the 11 AIr Assault test, When it started up in 1963 but he wasnt. He had To write a letter to Major General Kinnard ( His Old Boss ) begging for a Infantry Battalion in the 11 air Assault Division. It wasent till 1964, 1 year after it started he got the call. He didnt get one with the 11 Air Assault but instead was given a Infantry Battalion in the 2 infantry Division. The 2nd Battalion 23rd Infantry. Moore Had never commanded a Infantry Battalion before. But one of the hand picked officers by Kinnard in 1963 was Lt. Col McDade, He was chosen for the G-1 spot, He would be given command of the 2nd Battilion 7th Cavalry around November 7,1965 aproximately 10 days before the battle of Landing Zone Albany. McDade Had never Commanded a Infantry Battalion before. THERE WAS ANOTHER FACTOR, MOORE AND MCDADE WERE HAVING A POWER STRUGGLE. Keep abreast of current military devolopements. Moore "I thought up a new technique for the inital lift." There are only two types of Air assaults. Moore under the delusion he had come up with a new technique. The ground Commander ( Moore ) must concider two general types of Airmobile assault when preparing the ground tatical plan. These types of assaults differ primarily in the proximity of the LZ to the assault objective The first and preferred type is the landing of the assault ehelons immediately on, or adjacent to, the objective The secound type of assault involves landing a distance from the objective in a secure LZ, and requires assembly, reorganization, and movement to an attack position prior to the assault on the objective. Some simulare characteristics of Moore and Custer. When no one wrote about them, They wrote their own Books. Both were considered too Flamboyent, by fellow officers. And not well liked. George Armstrong Custer ( His men called him yellow hair ) Commander of the 1st Battalion 7th Cavalry at the battle of the Little Bighorn. The Indians would wipe the 1st Battalion 7th Cavalry out to a man. Starting the Indian wars, The UNITED STATES would unite and almost wipe out all the Indians taking their lands and putting them on Reservations LT.Col. Harold G. Moore ( His men called him yellow hair ) Commander 1st Battalion 7th Cavalry at the battle of Landing Zone X-Ray November the 14,1965 Pleiku Provance of South Vietnam. Moore's men with help from the reinforcement's ( Bco 2/7 ) saves Landing Zone X-RAY. Starting the Vietnam war. Which almost tears the United States apart. Both Battles ( The Little Bighorn ) and ( Landing Zone X-Ray ) were fought by the 1st Battalion 7th Cavalry. On a Sunday, In a Valley, By a River, In tall Grass and near a Large Mountian or Hill top. Both Commanders were told the size of the enemy troops. By their Scouts. But didnt belive them. Scout to Custer "There is a very very large Indian camp down there." Custer "Where I dont see any camp" Intelligence Lieutenant to Col. Moore "There is the possibiy of a PAVN Regiment near the Chu Pong mountain. Moore that didn't really bother me. Both the Commanders wanted to force the Enemy to stand and fight. As the enemy's tatics were hit and run. Custer in the lead charges into the valley his troops behind. to cut off the Indians, So they couldn't escape on to the plains. Moore in the lead Huey charges in to the Valley his troop behind would be the first one on Landing Zone X-Ray, hopeing the North Vietnamese or the Viet Cong wouldn't excape in to the mountians and into Cambodia. Both would get their wish. The Indians and North Vietnamese would send 1,000 or more men out to meet the 1st Battalion 7th Cavalry. The Commanders then realized that the size of the enemy forces was true. their scouts were right They were out numbered. Both battles were defensive. After the initial charge by the 1st Battalion 7th Cavalry They would pull back, Circle the wagons and let the enemy throw them selves at their defense's. Custer didn't have renforcements, It would take weeks to get them, His supplies were miles behind him. The 1st Battalion 7th Cavalry was wiped out to the man. Moore didnt have that problem "I had something Custer didn't, Reinforcements with in Hours. Moore forgot to lay on supplies and water for his troops. Moore's Men with the help of the Reinforcements ( Bco 2/7 ) save Landing Zone X-Ray. starting the Vietrnam War.It would almost destroy the United States. The Troops FOUGHT VALIANTLY. What happend to Moore's H-hour. Moore Get's his H- hour confused with the Attack time in the mission order. H-hour in air assault terms is difined as the time the lead helicopter touches down on the Landing Zone. Moore puts the H-hour at H-1030. He then gets word the Artillary cant fire until H-1017. H-hour get delayed. 1 incremint? ( usually 15 minutes ). So that should make H-hour, H- 1045. But Moore ( who is in the lead Huey ) dosent set foot on LZ X- Ray until H-1048, 3 minutes late. Lt. Col. Moore and Joseph L. Galloway's part.( the enlisted mens,Officers, Junior Officers and the 2/5, Bco 2/7 and 2/7 Battalion stories cannot be disputed.) Moore couldnt READ a MAP? Page 30 November 9, 1965 Moore "What does the RED STAR that is on the intelligence map mean?" The Red Star is not a military symbol its explanation should have been on the lower right side ( margin ) of the map. Moore " I had no doubt the 1/7 my Battalion would be chosen to mount the attack into the Ia Drang as the 2/7 had a new commander. Fact!! " the 1/7 was closer to the objective then the 2/7 " and had nothing to do with the readiness of the Battalions. (Gen.John J Tolson). Page 17 Moore's new concepts & techniques were written in the 1950's FM 57-35 Army Transport Avation- Combat Operations.1960's FM 57-35 Airmobile Operations. By Officers he worked with? Page 17 1957 Moore "I was in on the concept of Airmobility with Pentagon Reasearch and developement group. Moore "I was the 1st man in the Airborne Branch". 4 years writing and training in Airmobile tatics. Yet Moore retained nothing about Airmobile tatics. Page 41 Moore "I thought up a new technique for the inital lift". There are only 2 types of Air assaults This is the 2 one. Page 37 Crandall "Moore wanted Aviation to be present, to be part of his Staff" FM 57-35>Both the Ground Commander ( Moore ) and Aviation Commander ( Crandall ) or his ALO had to coordinate>flight time from Plei Me to X-Ray, flight routes,resuppy. Moore couldnt plan the operation with out Avation present. FM 57-35 Key personnel are distributed among the aircraft of the lift so the loss of one aircraft does not destroy the command structure. Page 58 Moore and Crandall in the same Huey. Page 59 The lift is flying at 110 knots. FM 57-35 When diffrent types of aircraft fly in a single lift, cruising speed of the slower aircraft must be the controlling speed of the lift. UH-1B's are Gunships fly at 80 knots UH-1D's are Slicks 110 knots. I ask Bco's 1/7 3rd Platoon Leader Dennis Deal, why didnt Moore lay on water for his men ( B co would be on the LZ for over 4 hours ) and why he said it was not the Aviations job to haul out Wounded Troops? B co's 1/7 3rd Platoon Leader Dennis Deal "dont ask me I knew nothing about Airmobile tatics." Page 106 Moore we needed water, medical supplies and ammo. Page 107 Bco 1/7 3rd Platoon Leader Dennis Deal by 3pm we ran out of water, the wounded kept begging for water. Page 145 November 15, 1965 at 6:20am Jemison shared his last drops of water. Page 112 November 14, 1965 While all day long the Battalion Supply Officer was riding in and out of X-Ray & Galloway came. 240# of water, medical, ammo not coming in, 1 Wounded troop not going out. Page 106 Moore "hauling Wounded was not the slick crews job" ( Aviation ) FM 7-20 the Battalion Commanders hanbook, Hauling wounded is the secoundary mission of all military aircraft. Page 63 Moore used his command Huey to haul out a non wounded POW. Page 167 but none his wounded troops, Lt Franklin terribly wounded was set aside to die. FM 1-100 Army Aviation The Command and Control Huey is to be used for Command and Control ONLY it shouldnt be used for anyother purpose, like RESUPPLY. . a Medevac Huey was suppose to fly with the assault echelon ( 1st Lift ) Page 105 a wounded troop was stumbling toward the aid station, Galloway " stay away go back" what was this 17 year old's thoughts 50 feet from the aid station and treatment and told to stay away? FM 57-35 page 12 paragraph 24 supply 6 miscellaneous. a. probable water supply points are predesingnated. and comes in with the fowllowing echelon. FM 7-20 page 271 paragraph 313 returning aircraft may be used for the evacuation of casualities. Galloway had no military service. COMMAND RESPONSIBILITY no one expects the battalion commander to act as a rifleman no matter how proficient he is. As he does so. who commands his battalion? Who gives guidance to his Company Commanders, he is taking responsibility away from his men and not meeting his own. Page 34 Moore "I went to school on the Division Commander, authority must be pushed down to the man on the spot. Page 40 Moore "I personally to influence the action would be in the 1st Huey to land on X-Ray." Page 60 Moore leading his command group clear a sector of X-Ray, on the way back to the LZ, meet the troops who were suppose to clear that sector. Page 73 Moore "I was tempted to join A co or C co's company's men" Page 108 Moore "My operations Officer`& the Avaition Liason Officer had controlled all flights into X-Ray, I then took control, every Huey coming to X-Ray must radio me for landing instructions. Page 109 Crandall Moore was now a signalman at the far end of the LZ was standing up, directing us where to land. Page 109 The Brigade Commander had given Moore pathfinders. Page 195 Moore "I personally lead the final counterattack to make certian that the Company Commander of Bco 2/7 & his men did a safe, clean, job & to look for my Missing Troops. Moore didnt bring in his execuitive Officer( 2nd in command ) to help run the battalion command post. Page 39 Moore "we had never maneuvered in combat as a battalion" Page 28 Moore the Battalion made 2 sweeps near An Khe. Page 31 nov 9 Moore "We shuttled the Battalion in 16 Hueys" Page 32 nov 9 Galloway "My first time out with Moores 1/7 Battalion" Original story Solider of Fortune November 83 Page 25 Nov 9 Galloway "before nitefall Moore waved his battalion across a stream" Each Huey could carry 10 Troops. 10 troops X 16 Hueys=160 Troops per lift. Page 30 a enemy base camp Page 55 a radio transmision intercepted, estamated a N V regiment was near X-Ray Page 57 commo wire was seen. Page 39 Moore puts only 80 men (5 per Huey) in the inital lift. Page 57 riflemen extra ammo all they could carry. Air Assault tatics emphasize maximum inital lift, to get maximum lift each huey carries minimum amount of fuel + 30 min reserve, with refueling & ammo Points near the Pickup Zone. Troops only basic load of ammo and web gear (intrenching tool, 2 canteens, bayonet and poncho and 1st aid pack ) Page 40 Moore "later lifts could carry more men 100 as fuel burned off". Page 198 Rear area Operation Officer Dick Merchant "the Huey could carry 10 men" Page 111 Winkle"I had a total of 16 men in my Huey". Fourner "it was left up to each pilot how many men he carried" on later lifts I was carring 9-12 troops. How it should have happend according to Air Assault Tatics FM 57-35 With only 16 Hueys weight is a factor, so the inital lift ( the assault echelon ) must contain sufficant Troops to secure the Landing Zone. The Alowable Cargo Load the ( ACL ) of each UH-1D for this mission should have been 3,000 pounds as its under 50 nautical miles ( only 14.3 miles to the objective ) using the Space method a space is defined as the weight of a fully combat equiped troop ( 240 pounds ) 10 Troops = 2,400 pounds per Huey. Page 39 B co 114 troops, A co 40 troops, Ground Commanders command group 6 for a total of 160 troops in the 1st lift. Moore was a Pilot? Page 58 Crandall ( The Aviation Commander ) is starting the Huey from the left seat the co-pilot seat, There is no starter on that side. Page 58 Moore as they load the Hueys "what is the flying time from Plei Me to Landing Zone X-Ray"? 14.3 miles. Page 37 Moore and Crandall plan an Air Assault. Page 40 with a time table & failed to put down the flying time from Plei Me to Landing Zone X- Ray, with out this information, How did they plan the Assault??? Page 58 Mills 13 min 15 sec. Page 59 Speed ( rate ) 110 knots this time will take them 25 miles away. The correct time is 8 min. Formula for Time is Distance X 60 divide by Rate ( Speed ) 14.3 X 60 = 858 divide by 110 = 7.8 min = 8 min time is rounded up to the nearest min. Formula for Distance is rate ( Speed ) X time divided by 60 110 X 8 = 880 divide by 60 = 14.6miles = 15miles miles is rounded up to the nearest 1/2 mile. using 7.8 min for time for the distance 110 X 7.8 = 858 divide by 60 = 14.3 miles The distance from Plei Me to Landing Zone X-Ray. Page 188 A blazing flare under an unopened parachute hit the ammo dump, the Sgt.Major grabbed it with his bare hands, it burns at 4,000 degrees, it needs the parachute to lite the candle. Letter from Randy Wallace, the Screenwriter and Director, about the film: The Wheelhouse 15464 Ventura Boulevard Sherman Oaks, CA 91403-3002 Randall Wallace 7 February 2001 To all men who fought in the Ia Drang Valley, November 1965, and their families. Gentlemen, As many of you have already heard, we are preparing to make a film version of Hal Moore and Joe Galloway's book WE WERE SOLDIERS ONCE...AND YOUNG. As you can imagine, this is an enormously ambitious undertaking. As the prologue of Hal and Joe's landmark book states, "Hollywood has gotten the story of the Vietnam veteran wrong every damn time, whetting the knives of twisted politics on the bones of our dead brothers." Well this time we mean to get it right. This is not to say that any of us making the film are unconcerned with accuracy. The Disclamer> ( It is not meant to tell the story ) of each individual, ( or to capture the same kind of truth ) a documentary would. I salute you. Best regards, Randall Wallace 1st Cavalry Division as the Division Commander Kinnard had to use the whole of the division resorces to keep Lt. Col. Moore from losing Landing Zone X-Ray. Kinnard "I violated a lot of priniples about how hard you work your guy's and how many hour's you fly your helicopters." "I literally flew the Blades off the choppers." Things wrong with the trailer Why is Moore shown stepping out of the Huey on the right side at X-Ray? When he was on the left behind Crandall, who was in the co-pilots seat. Page 58 hardback, Page 67 paperback Moore as they land at X-Ray. as Crandall flared the Huey to land I FIRED burst into the brush to the LEFT, toward the mountian. page 60 hardback, page 69 paperback Why are there 5 Hueys flying in the formation, when there is supposed to be only 4, in the over head shot there are 6 Hueys. As they land at X-Ray they are in some type of formation that dosent exist. Page 59 Hardback, Page 68 paperback The Hueys as they fly to X-Ray are suppose to be in a Heavy left formation, But they are eather in a column, trail formation> http://www.biggolddog.com/photos.htm The photographs offered are from the personal collection of Joe Galloway ( Rambo the Reporter ) and were taken at LZ X-Ray during and after the action in the Ia Drang Valley, November 14-16, 1965. The images reflect the savagery of the combat, a feel for the emotions of the soldiers involved and a sense for the terrain in which the battle was fought. The photographs have never before been published and most have been seen only by a handful of participants in the action. ( Actually some pictures have been published and seen by over 26 million people ) These images will help put a real face on the people, places and events in the upcoming movie, "We Were Soldiers Once...And Young", starring Mel Gibson. A film based on the book of the same name by Lt. Gen. Hal Mooore and Joe. Ia Drang Scholarship Fund.... As a lasting tribute to the men of the 1st of the 7th Cavalry who gave so much in the Ia Drang, a permanent scholarship fund was established for the children and grandchildren of those who died in action in this heroic event. To honor that commitment, 10% of the purchase price of every Joe Galloway at the Ia Drang photo will be donated to the fund. Stories Part Fiction he embelished for them. U.S. NEWS and World Report Oct 29,1990 Pg 32 Fatal Victory Pg 36 Vietnam Story. ARTICLES Galloway Plagarized. U.S. News and World Report Oct 25, 93 Page 45 Step by Step into a Quagmire SOURCE: Stanley Karnows Vietnam a History Pages 479-485. U.S. News and World Report Feb 4,1991 Page 49 "Who's Afraid of the truth" SOURCE: Soldier of Fortune Dec 84 Pg 104 (Press ) by Fred Tucker. ( TUCKERS GORRILLAS ). In the movie Gibson portray Galloway as a Reporter who pick's up a weapon only to protect the wounded. BUT!!! Galloway was the most heavely armed Reporter in Vietnam. Page 32 Joseph L. Galloway Had wrangled a ride in to the Plie Me camp while it was under siege, and becouse of the shortages of fighters found him self assigned to a .30 cal light machine gun. With two other reporters After the battle was over Major Charles Beckwith hands Galloway an M-16 rifle, Galloway told Beckwith, Strictly speaking, under the Geneva Convention he was "A civilian noncombatant." As you see there is no logic. Galloway has just spent 3 days maning a .30 cal machine gun killing PAVN troops and after the battle is over decides he is a civilian noncombatant? The question is why didnt Galloway join the service? He was always to busy playing Soldier instead of being a Reporter. He wanted to be at any battle he could get to, to record it, But when he get's there at the battle. He start's to play Soldier. You cant write or record History, While you busy playing soldier. Of all the reporters in Vietnam, Galloway was the most danegerous to the Americian troops, in His Walter Mitty and Rambo persona. He had no idea what the soldier's job was, He as a reporter and could do what he wanted and go where he wanted to at any time. Joseph L. Galloway( Rambo the Reporter ) ROAMED all over VIETNAM, Killing as he pleased. Page 35 November 13,1965 Galloway hitched a ride from Pleiku to Catecha the 3 Brigade headquaters Galloway " I dug a foxhole out on the perimeter with B company 1/7, Under one of those $50.00 tea bushes, set out some spare! magazines ( M-16 ). Galloway playing Soldier, It would have been better if he said I set out some spare film rolls. to record events, his mind set is playing soldier. Page 32 Galloway writes: " At first lite I pinched of a small piece of C-4 explosive from the emergency supply in my pack and used it to boil up a canteen cup of water for coffee. Walter Mitty part: If you lit C-4 very carefully you could be drinking hot coffee in maybe 30 secounds. If you were careless it blew your arm off. If Galloway was so eager to receive the Bronze Star, Then he should be ready to pay the price for violating the UCMJ. Conspiring to take a $500,000 Helicopter and receiving Military equipement, 1 M16 Rifle, 1 Carl Gustaf, I had to sign for all my equipement as all soldiers did and had to turn it in when I left, Who did Galloway leave the M-16 with, Does he have papers saying he turned it in? The same with the Carl Gustaf, Where did he get it? Did he buy it, Pick it up on the Battlefield? Did he sell it when he left? If he turned it in, Does he have the paper work to show it? Galloway conspired with a friend ( A Huey Pilot )into flying into Plei Me camp. There were orders for all aircraft to stay out of the area, The friend went AWOL, He and Galloway took the Huey and flew into Plei Me, Beckwith needed, medical, and ammo. At Plei Me Major Charles Beckwith had put Galloway and 2 other Reporters on a machinegun. and had given Galloway an M-16 Rifle. MYTH's: Page 156- 157 Vincent Cantu and Galloway meet during fierce attack on D and C company's. Galloway was taking pictures. Vincent Cantu braved the fire and sprinted to where Galloway was. TRUTH: Soldier of Fortune Sept 83 Page 28 Galloway writes "During a ( LULL!!)." I met Vincent Cantu this was before the(skyhawk) naplmed the Command post. MYTH's: Page 35 Galloway The plantation billed the U.S. $50 for each tea bush and $250 for each rubber tree. TRUTH: Soldier of Fortune Sept 83 Page 25 Galloway They billed U.S.$25 for each tea bush $125 for each rubber tree. Galloway only left the saftey of the Command Post During " LULL's " in the Battle, As soon as the firing started up, He would headed right back to the Command post, HReviewer: Russell L. Ross lzalbany65@aol.com from San Jose, CA
Fiction We Were Soldiers Once and Young X-Ray part. page references are from the hardback.
FICTION: Fabarication applies particulary to a false but carefully invented statement or a series of statements, in which some truth is sometimes interwoven, the whole usually intended to deceive.
The Greatest Hero "People everywhere are smitten- With a tale that is written. Once a hero's deeds are known- They're as good as etched in stone. Every word, folks take to heart- And think this makes them very smart. Amazing how the very wise- Never stop to realize- That what they read may not be true.
Groo Moral: Even when the words are true the may not speak the truth Groo Can you make Col. Klink ( Moore ) and Rambo the Reporter (Galloway ) into hero's pages from the hardback Lt. Col. Moore was the Col. Klink of the war? He knew nothing, nothing Page 17 Moore's new concepts & techniques were written in the 1950's FM 57-35 Army Transport Avation-Combat Operations, 1963 FM 57-35 Airmobile Operations. by Officers he worked with? in 1957. Moore in 1957 "I was in on the concept of Airmobility with Gavin, Norton, Seneff Williams". With 2 1/2 years writing, 1 1/2 years training in Airmobile tatics in the 11Air Assault Division Test, for a total of 4 years and yet he retained nothing about Airmobile tatics. Page 37 Crandall "Moore wanted Aviation present, to be part of his Staff". Moore, Crandall or his ALO had to coordinate the flight time from Plei Me to X-Ray, flight routes, fire support, resuppy, Medevac Huey. Moore couldnt plan the operation with out Crandall ( aviation ) present. Page 60 As Crandall flared the huey to land at Landing Zone X-Ray Moore & his troops starts firing their weapons. FM 57-35 There is no firing from the helicopter during flight, landing or any other time. Pity the troop to their right a face full of hot brass, left ear drums ringing, brass on floor or getting caught in the Huey's controls Moore who had been listening to the battle of Landing Zone Albany on the radio voluntered for the 1st Battalion 7th Cavalry to go to Columbus to guard the artie only took pictures of the dead and wounded. Where are his action pictures?
-- Russell L. Ross (lzalbany65@aol.com), March 16, 2004.
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Joe Galloway reply to what is posted above.
Galloway wont protect his Integrity a journlist most important asset
In a message dated 1/15/2004 3:23:36 PM Pacific Standard Time,
jgalloway@krwashington.com writes: like i say russell, if you had anything worth taking i would sue
you for libel and slander and take it all. but you don't. only a couple bottles of blue pills which you need
to use more regularly.
KnightRidder's Military Consultant Joe Galloway never served in the Military Russell L. Ross 1741 Maysong ct San Jose, CA. 95131-2727 408 926-9336
This is the 2nd Rewrite of We Were Soldiers Once and Young, I,m still looking for the 1st, In the 1st. verson Galloway writes Col. Moore was told to stay out of the mountains. I will pay up to $100.00 or more for that article. It was in Military type Magzine, like Soldier Of Fortune also.
BY JOSEPH L. GALLOWAY KnightRidder's Military Consultant.
JOSEPH L. GALLOWAY, PLAGERIST, LIAR, CONMAN.
JOE GALLOWAY News > Iraq: The Aftermath > Monday, Jan 05, 2004
Joe Galloway
Joe Galloway Not just Rumsfeld,
but all of his civilian experts who never wore a uniform. Galloway never wore a uniform, no military service. Galloway can only parrot what the military person he is interviewing. The photographs offered are from the personal collection of Joe Galloway ( Rambo the Reporter ) and were taken at LZ X-Ray during and after the action in the Ia Drang Valley, November 14-16, 1965. The images reflect the savagery of the combat, a feel for the emotions of the soldiers involved and a sense for the terrain in which the battle was fought.
The photographs have never before been published and most have been seen only by a handful of participants in the action. ( Actually some pictures have been published and seen by over 26 million people ) These images will help put a real face on the people, places and events in the upcoming movie, We Were Soldiers Once...And Young, starring Mel Gibson. A film based on the book of the same name by Lt. Gen. Hal Mooore and Joe.
Ia Drang Scholarship Fund.... As a lasting tribute to the men of the 1st of the 7th Caultant to Secretary of State General Colin Powell spoke recently with Fred L. Schultz at U.S. Naval Institute headquarters. STEVE NORTHUP http://www.usni.org/Proceedings/Articles02/PROgalloway02.htm
Why is Joseph L. Galloway altering his combat pictures of Landing Zone X-Ray?? is it becouse they show the truth and not the lies written by Galloway and Moore in their Book We Were Soldiers Once and Young ( The X-Ray part ).
Joseph L. Galloway is altering some of his combat pictures to match the story line in the book, as he now has the equipement to change them.
!!!!!WARNING!!!!! if you buy these pictures, be warned, some of the pictures you see at this web site isnt the orignal pictures.
he has now since changed the ural here is the new ones http://www.weweresoldiers.net/ http://www.weweresoldiers.net/plate2.htm check out ALTERED photos 1, 3, and 5 tell me what is wrong with them.
The photographs offered are from the personal collection of Joe Galloway ( Rambo the Reporter ) and were taken at LZ X-Ray during and after the action in the Ia Drang Valley, November 14-16, 1965. The images reflect the savagery of the combat, a feel for the emotions o
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From The Digital Journalist
http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue0204/galloway3.htm
Joe Galloway
Bravo Company of the 1st Battalion 7th Cavalry was brought in to pull security
around the Brigade HQ that night.
It was Saturday, November 13, 1965.
I moved out on the perimeter with the company and dug myself a good, deep
foxhole under a tea bush.
There were just enough alarms and outbursts of firing on the perimeter that
night to keep us all wide awake.
>In the morning the word passed that B Company was moving out; the whole
>battalion was moving out on an operation to the west of Plei Me Camp.
>I caught up with the Brigade Commander, Col. Tim Brown, who confirmed
>that for me.
I told him I wanted to ride in with the 1st Battalion.
Brown said it was probably going to be another long, hot walk in the sun---but
I could hang around and if anything happened he would fly out in his
command helicopter and I could go with him.
I nodded but had a bad feeling about this; felt I ought to go in with the troops.
The 1st Battalion troops lifted on out,
replaced by Bravo Company, 2nd Battalion 7th Cav.
>1700hrs Nov.14,1965 Catecha 3 Brigade Headquaters<
Later, when the radios burst into frenzied reports of action,
Bravo 2/7 Cav began lining up and loading up on choppers. Moore succeeded in waving off his boss. (1200hrs Nov.14,1965 over
LZ X-Ray)
>Brown told me on the radio that he was dropping me at Landing Zone
>Falcon five miles from LZ XRay and I would have to catch a ride in from
>there.
More disappointment.
I jumped off the chopper at another small clearing in the scrub brush, this one
filled with a battery of 12 105mm howitzer artillery pieces.
They were firing nonstop, providing support for Lt. Col. Moore's besieged
battalion in XRay.
As the day wore on more reporters drifted in.
A new AP guy I had not previously met.
Someone from Reuters, probably my friend Robin Mannock.
A couple of others.
We met every chopper, begging for a ride in to the fight.
No luck.
The day was growing older and except for the incessant din of outgoing
artillery fire we were no closer to the action.
It was then that I ran into Capt. Gregg (Matt) Dillon, the 1st Battalion S-3 or
operations officer.
I asked how I could get to XRay.
He replied: I am going in with two choppers full of ammo and water just as
soon as it is good dark.
I said I wanted to go.
He said he couldn't make that decision without Hal Moore's approval, but he
would get on the radio and ask him.
I stuck with him till he picked up the radio handset and informed Moore of his
plans.
"Oh yes, that reporter Galloway wants to come along."
Hal Moore responded: "If he is crazy enough to want to come in here, and you
have the room, bring him along."
All right! I had a ride.
Now all I had to do was hide out from the rest of the gang till they got tired and
headed back to Pleiku for the night.
>I disappeared behind a tent and waited them out.
>Finally they were all gone and Dillon's two choppers roared in.
>We got aboard in the darkness and lifted off.
I was bound for the biggest battle of the war---and I was all alone.
An exclusive!
Joe Galloway at LZ Falcon from1200hrs Nov 14,1965 till aprox 2100hrs.
20 miles from Catecha
Joe Galloway at Catecka? >(1700hrs Nov14,1965 20miles from X-Ray)<
Bravo Company, 2nd Battalion 7th Cav.
Later, when the radios burst into frenzied reports of action, Bravo 2/7 Cav
began lining up and loading up on choppers.
I slipped down the line, found one chopper with room and got aboard.
Just before we lifted off a big lieutenant came down the line looking in every
chopper.
He spotted me, waved me off, and put a medic aboard in my seat.
Back to Brigade HQ.
Col. Brown came bustling out of the tent with a couple of his staff officers
behind him.
He waved me along, moving quickly toward his command chopper, bristling
all over with radio antennas.
How did Galloway get to LZ Falcon? What time did leave for LZ Falcon?
REFERENCE
Page 174-175 We Were Soldiers Once and Young Paperback Mel Gibson
on cover.
Page 134-135 We Were Soldiers Once and Young Hardback.
Nov 14,1965 1700hrs CUPI Reporter Joe Galloway had spent the afternoon
desperately trying to finagle his way into LZ X-Ray, without success.
Galloway had been aboard Col. Tim Browns Command Chopper when I
waved Brown shortly after noon.<1200hrs over LZ X-Ray<
At Brigade headquaters (Catecka)Galloway had lined up with the Troopers of
Bravo company 2 Battalion and boarded a lift helocopter- but only briefly.
Lt. Rick Rescorla say: "as we boarded the Hueys , a stocky journalist in a
sandy colored beret with an M-16 and camera jumped on one of our
choppers.
Major Pete Mallet came over and pulled him off.
Galloway shifted to LZ Falcon.(Catecka 20 miles from LZ Falcon).
So Joe Galloway has wittness at Catecha (Rick, Mallet)
and at LZ Falcon who say he was there. (Galloway"As the day wore on more
reporters drifted in.
A new AP guy I had not previously met.
Someone from Reuters, probably my friend Robin Mannock.
A couple of others.
We met every chopper, begging for a ride in to the fight.
No luck.
The day was growing older and except for the incessant din of outgoing
artillery fire we were no closer to the action.
Fact >Galloway and Cantu met during a >LULL< not during the attack on D co.
REFERENCE>>Soldier of Fortune Sept.83 page 28, left column, paragraph 7
During this fighting two events occurred which are burned into my memory.
First, I was over near the clearing shooting a few pictures when I caught movement out
of the corner of my eye.
A tall, lanky GI jumped out of one of the mortar pits about 30 yards away and ran, zig-
zagging under fire, across that corner of the clearing.
He jumped under the bush I was crouching behind and shouted: Joe. Joe Galloway!
Don't you know me man?
I'm Vince Cantu from Refugio! In the middle of the worst day of the worst battle of the
Vietnam War a guy who graduated with me from Refugio High School, Class of '59,
was grabbing and hugging me.
"You got to get down, Joe.
There are guys dying all around us.
This is dangerous shit!" Vince and I talked a little bit.
He told me his term of service would be up in two weeks, if he survived this day and
the next and the next.
"I'll be home in Refugio for Christmas," he said.
I asked him to go by and say hello to my mom and dad---but not to get too explicit with
the details of where and under what circumstances we had met.
Vince made it out, made it home, and in my late mother's photo albums is a snapshot
of Vince and his young daughter sitting in their living room.
Moore didnt see Galloway save jimmy!
Joe Galloway never saved Jimmy.
Joe "Jimmy wase wearing Nylon combat Boots", the 1st Cavlavry was never issued
this item when we deployed to vietnam in 1965.
The second event came after I had moved back to the command post, located behind
a huge termite mound, a key terrain feature in this part of the Highlands.
These things were big as a small car, hard as concrete and provided good cover for
both us and the enemy.
I had just leaned back when suddenly I could hear Moore shouting loudly: "Charlie, call
that SOB off of us. CALL HIM OFF!"
I turned to my left and could see two F-100 Supersabre jets, one behind the other,
headed straight for us.
The first had just released two cans of napalm.
The second was about to the do the same.
Lt. Charlie Hastings, the Air Force forward observer, was screaming into his mike:
Pull up!
Pull up!
The second plane pulled up.
That left the two cans of napalm loblollying end over end toward us.
Gregg Dillon buried his face in my shoulder.
Later he would tell me he had heard if napalm was coming in you should protect your
eyes.
The two cans went right over our heads and impacted no more than 20 yards from us,
the jellied gasoline spreading out and flaming up going away from us.
That 20 yards saved our lives, but through the blazing fire I could see two men, two
Americans, dancing in that fire.
I jumped to my feet.
So did medic Tommy Burlile.
Burlile was shot in the head by a sniper before he could reach the scene.
I charged on in and someone was yelling, "Get this man's feet!"
I reached down and grabbed the ankles of a horribly burned soldier.
They crumbled and the skin and flesh, now cooked, rubbed off.
I could feel his bare ankle bones in the palms of my hands.
>We carried him to the aid station.
Galloway cant get his FICTION straight! Is Jimmys wife 's nameTrudy
or Cathy?
Jimmys wife 's name
what is it Trudy or Cathy?
Galloway cant get his FICTION straight!
Jimmys wife has 2 diffrent names.
Jimmy 2 diffrent days of his death.
Daughter has 3 diffrent birthdays!! From
from
http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0204/galloway4.htm
Joe Galloway ">>Later I would learn that his name
was Jimmy D. Nakayama of
Rigby, Idaho."
">>His wife >>Trudie<< had given birth to their first child, a
daughter she named Nikki, on
>>November 7. ??"
>>Jimmy died in an Army hospital two days later, on November
17.>For a lot of years I looked for Jimmy's wife and daughter.
>>Last month, after the movie We Were Soldiers was released I
>>received a letter from
>>Jimmy's widow.
>>Last week a letter came from his daughter Nikki, now 36 years
>>old and the mother of
>>two young sons.
>No single day has passed since that long-ago November day that I have not
thought about Jimmy Nakayama,
>the young woman who loved him,
>and the daughter who would never know a father's love.
2 diffrent stories.
3 diffrent birthdays for his Daughter, 9th, 15th, 17th Nov 1965.
From
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/news/special_packages/galloway/11525840.htm
>>There were men such as Jimmmy >Cathy,<< gave birth to their baby girl, Nikki,
a couple of days before he died on >Nov. 15, 1965.<
From the book of Fiction X-Ray part only We were Soldiers once and Young, Hardback
PAGE 163 Jimmy died 2 days later on Nov 17,1965.
The Day he died his wife had their baby.
>>Later I would learn that his name was Jimmy D. Nakayama of Rigby, Idaho.
>>His wife >>Trudie<< had given birth to their first child, a daughter she named Nikki, on
>>November 7. ??
>>Jimmy died in an Army hospital two days later, on November 17.>For a lot of years I looked for Jimmy's wife and daughter.
>>Last month, after the movie We Were Soldiers was released I received a letter from
>>Jimmy's widow.
>>Last week a letter came from his daughter Nikki, now 36 years old and the mother of
>>two young sons.
>>No single day has passed since that long-ago November day that I have not thought
>>about Jimmy Nakayama,
>>the young woman who loved him,
>>and the daughter who would never know a father's love.
Posted on Fri, Apr. 29, 2005
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/news/special_packages/galloway/11525840.htm
Galloway cant get his FICTION straight! Jimmys wife has 2 diffrebt names jimmy 2 diffrent days of his death, Daughter has 2 diffrent
birthdays!!
R E L A T E D C O N T E N T
KRT photo courtesy Steve Northup
Reporter Joe Galloway is shown in August 1965 as a war correspondent.
>>There were men such as Jim Nakayama of Rigby, Idaho, who
>>had so much to live for.
>>His wife, >>Cathy,<< gave birth to their baby girl, Nikki,
>>a couple of
>>days before he died on
>>Nov. 15, 1965.<<
Today, Vietnam is different from when the war started and ended
By JOSEPH L. GALLOWAY
Knight Ridder Newspapers
HO CHI MINH CITY, Vietnam - Never mind that dateline. It will always be Saigon to me, the place where I landed 40 years ago to cover a war that would eventually consume much of my youth and much of my country's innocence before it ended in bitter, bloody chaos three decades ago.
The old familiar streets are still here, but now they're lined with chic shops and boutiques instead of the seedy bars where delicate Vietnamese women once wheedled overpriced "Saigon Teas" out of big American GIs.
The traffic is, at once, both denser and calmer as motorcycles have replaced bicycles and the man-powered cyclo taxis have been banned from the center of town. Pedestrians seem to risk death just crossing a street full of speeding motorbikes, but it's a carefully choreographed dance. There are rules for the walker: Don't run. Don't try to dodge. Just walk slowly straight ahead and let the motorbikes adjust for you.
The Vietnamese are still the hardest-working people I have ever known, hustling and bustling and chasing a buck and a living with determination. The majority of them, 60-plus percent, are under the age of 30, and for them the war is something in the history books.
The country and the people are far different than they were when we came and when we left. In the cities, the old shabby yellow colonial buildings that survived have been spruced up and modernized. Office towers and high-rise hotels tower over their older neighbors. Cranes are everywhere in Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City as new construction sprouts on every available scrap of land.
Communists may still rule here, but business is still business, and business is good in Vietnam. The country's economy grew at a rate of 7.7 percent in 2004.
Two-way trade between Vietnam and the United States has reached $6 billion annually. Trade with neighboring China is also at $6 billion a year. A local Honda plant cranks out millions of the ubiquitous motorbikes that sell for the equivalent of $1,000 to $2,000.
On the outskirts of Hanoi, a huge gate modeled after the Brandenburg in Berlin, complete with sculpted horses, marks the entrance of a new subdivision for the very affluent. A planned but still unbuilt house there sold six months ago for $250,000. The same non-existent home has already changed hands twice. The last buyer paid $450,000 for it.
Yet in poorer rural areas such as Quang Tri province, the per capita income is still around $200.
What we call the Vietnam War the Vietnamese call the American War. "You see, we have fought so many wars over a thousand years that we could never call yours `the Vietnam War' - it would be meaningless to us," explained an earnest young guide in Hanoi.
The American War takes up only one paragraph in the history book taught in grade schools in Vietnam today. But a big, busy bookstore on what once was Tu Do Street in old Saigon carries shelves full of books about the war and biographies of some of the great North Vietnamese Army commanders, such as Gen. Nguyen Huu An, who did his best to kill all of us in the Ia Drang Valley during some terrible November days in 1965.
A friend and fellow scribbler, Phil Caputo, inscribed a copy of his book "A Rumor of War" to me: "As an old French general once told another, `The war, old boy, is our youth - secret and uninterred.'" By then, in the late 1970s, both of us knew exactly what that old French general meant.
It seemed so simple and straightforward when we began that march 40 years ago with the landing of the first American Marine battalion at the port city of Danang. We were a modern superpower blocking the spread of communism to a Third World country.
War has a way of looking simple going in - and generally turns out to be far more complex and costly than the architects ever thought possible. This one sure was.
The Vietnam War consumed the presidency of the brash Texan Lyndon B. Johnson, who sent the first combat troops there. It brought young American protesters into the streets and helped topple Johnson's successor, Richard Nixon. A third president, Gerald Ford, inherited an orphaned war that ended in chaos and defeat on his watch.
To those who fought it, mostly young draftees on both sides, the war was unavoidable, a duty their country demanded of them. To those caught in the middle, the peasant farm families, it was an unending and deadly disruption to their lives. One and a half million Vietnamese perished in those 10 years. On the black granite wall in Washington, D.C., the names of 58,249 Americans who died in Vietnam are engraved.
The war gave me the best friends of my life and took some of them away almost immediately. I can still see their faces as they were then.
There was Dickie Chapelle, with her horn-rimmed glasses and a boonie hat decorated with the jump wings she'd earned in some other war long before. She told me that the first rule of war corresponding was that you must survive in order to write the story and ship your film. A Marine walking in front of her set off a booby-trapped mortar shell and a tiny fragment nicked her carotid artery. She bled to death, her head in the lap of another reporter, Bob Poos, while a Catholic chaplain gave her the last rites.
And Henri Huet, half French, half Vietnamese, all heart, all smiles. He took me on my first combat operation, teaching me every step of the way how to do this insane work and stay alive. He went down in a South Vietnamese Huey helicopter inside Laos in 1971 with the finest photographer of the war, Larry Burrows of Life magazine, and another who might have inherited Burrows' mantle had he lived, Kent Potter of UPI.
I think of them all, all 66 who died in our war giving everything they had, telling the truth and showing the real face of war to America and the world.
I think, too, of the young American soldiers who died all around me in the Ia Drang Valley and elsewhere in a war that seemed like it would never end - and never really has in my memory and in my heart.
>>>There were men such as Jim Nakayama of Rigby, Idaho, who had so
>>>much to live for.
>>>His wife, >>Cathy,<< gave birth to their baby girl, Nikki, a couple of days
before he died on >>Nov. 15, 1965. <<
Then there were those on the other side, such as Gen. An who did his best to wipe us out in the Ia Drang and came damned close to it. Years later, in 1993, he and some of his officers went back to our old battlefield with us, walked that blood-stained ground and shed tears with us for all who died there, American and Vietnamese.
Gen. An died of a heart attack a year later.
In 1995 my good friend Lt. Gen. Hal Moore and I visited Gen. An's home in Hanoi to pay our respects to his widow and children. There, in a glass case of his most precious possessions, along with his uniform and medals and photographs of the young warrior, was a copy of our book, "We Were Soldiers Once ... and Young," which told the story of the battle.
I think, too, of Col. Vu Dinh Thuoc, who started his career as a private storming the French positions at Dienbienphu and progressed to lieutenant commanding a company at the Ia Drang and on to colonel commanding a division in the final attack on Saigon.
As we later walked the battlefield together, Thuoc tapped me on the chest and said:
"You have the heart of a soldier. It is the same as mine. I am glad I did not kill you."
So am I, colonel. So am I.
And I am glad that peace and a measure of prosperity have at last come to Vietnam and its people after a thousand years of war. There's no room left for anger or bitterness, only memories, and they, too, will vanish soon enough.
----------------------
Joseph L. Galloway is the senior military correspondent for Knight Ridder Newspapers. He spent 22 years as a foreign and war correspondent and bureau chief for United Press International, and nearly 20 years as a senior editor and senior writer for U.S. News & World Report magazine. His overseas postings included four tours as a war correspondent in Vietnam.
On May 1, 1998, Galloway was decorated with the Bronze Star with V for valor for rescuing wounded soldiers under fire in the Ia Drang Valley in November 1965. His is the only medal of valor the U.S. Army awarded to a civilian for actions during the Vietnam War. He is the co-author, with retired Lt. Gen. Hal G. Moore, of the national bestseller "We Were Soldiers Once ... and Young," which was made into the movie "We Were Soldiers," starring Mel Gibson.

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There are more instances of the abridgment of freedoms
of the people by gradual and silent encroachment of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.--James Madison--

It is in the heat of emotion that good people must remember to stand on principle.--Larry Elder--

Please show this to the president and ask him to remember the wishes of the forgotten man, that is, the one who dared to vote against him. We expect to be tramped on but we do wish the stepping would be a little less hard.--from a letter to Eleanor Roosevelt--

The world economy depends every day on some engineer, farmer, architect, radiator shop owner, truck driver or plumber getting up at 5AM, going to work, toiling hard, and producing real wealth so that an array of bureaucrats, regulators, and redistributors can manage the proper allotment of much of the natural largess produced.--VDH--

Parents are often so busy with the physical rearing of children that they miss the glory of parenthood, just as the grandeur of the trees is lost when raking leaves.--Marcelene Cox--