You know, it was more or less an advantage for some of the town. They were in pairs of freemasons, which is perhaps a bit better than going all alone.
There's of course the fact that three townies were freemasoned with Mafia though, which was misleading in all sorts of ways.

MysteriousLad be like:

Oh hello, I am MysteriousLad.
Do you know when I was an OP player? When I wasn't in WWN and massclaims were legit good? Yea I miss the days I could force town to claim, rout out the mafia, and win the game for free day 3. Sometimes without being killed!
Senpai HPD notices me everyday when I'm town, do no scum play, and still get lynched day 1.
Anyway, it's time to go and ask people to claim and go lynch those who don't with my high-skill OP role.
I am MysteriousLad.

I did. Sorry man, you'll have to wait it out.
Double Mafia does have a chance to flop however.

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MysteriousLad be like:

Oh hello, I am MysteriousLad.
Do you know when I was an OP player? When I wasn't in WWN and massclaims were legit good? Yea I miss the days I could force town to claim, rout out the mafia, and win the game for free day 3. Sometimes without being killed!
Senpai HPD notices me everyday when I'm town, do no scum play, and still get lynched day 1.
Anyway, it's time to go and ask people to claim and go lynch those who don't with my high-skill OP role.
I am MysteriousLad.

MVP: Deoxy
I didn't absolutely hate you: Kireato
the rest: can all go to hell

In honesty and fairness, well played mobsters.

"everytime I try to draw xen I end up drawing a kangaroo smoking a cigar while chainsawing a tree" - Deoxy"I can't believe I'm the only person who voted Stallone. His appeal lies in watching is movies again and again just to hear what the hell he's talking about." - Kilteh

Linkman wrote:MVP: Deoxy
I didn't absolutely hate you: Kireato
the rest: can all go to hell

In honesty and fairness, well played mobsters.

lolwat, Deoxy MVP?

Oh well, you don't wanna have me in hell, cause Satan will get angry against you for the taste of missiles he would get. xD
Oh wait, I AM SATAN HIMSELF YAAARRRRRH -- oh wait, that's pk's gimmick.

MysteriousLad be like:

Oh hello, I am MysteriousLad.
Do you know when I was an OP player? When I wasn't in WWN and massclaims were legit good? Yea I miss the days I could force town to claim, rout out the mafia, and win the game for free day 3. Sometimes without being killed!
Senpai HPD notices me everyday when I'm town, do no scum play, and still get lynched day 1.
Anyway, it's time to go and ask people to claim and go lynch those who don't with my high-skill OP role.
I am MysteriousLad.

Yeah, it was unfortunate that Kir revealed, because he legit didn't know that there would be spies in the topic.

Still, had he not actually roleclaimed in the topic, we would have been in a bind because it would have made Ainiku really, really obvious as a mafia if we roleblocked him every turn. Same with Q7, sadly. We figured he was investigator and tried to kill him night 1, but the fog protected him. We thought that he was being protected or worse, we were being roleblocked. Once we knew how his fog power worked, he was easy pickings. Those two things were huge.

Still, there were a lot of really cool powers that were overall underutilized. Only Deoxy truly got shafted, with her RNG powers, but to be fair it fit her playstyle rather well =P That was one of the reasons I focused so much on charging up Kir's powers, if all the stars were concentrated on one guy, and we had him roleblocked, we'd have less to worry about.

Honestly, the biggest problem with the town was everyone complaining about their powers. Morale took a hit, which was our job! Our job was being filled by the town itself, so I was able to act as one of the only cheerful people, trying to help people realize the true potential of their powers etc. Let me tell you, nothing is as sweet as being able to act in a way contrary to your goals, and still watch your goals be fulfilled by the town itself. =3

And Linkman, HPD, that's the second time I've used your squabbles for my victory. You two seriously need to kiss and make up, lol.

HPD wrote:You know the only thing on the agenda of the Squirtle Squad is pure, unadulterated chaos.

"everytime I try to draw xen I end up drawing a kangaroo smoking a cigar while chainsawing a tree" - Deoxy"I can't believe I'm the only person who voted Stallone. His appeal lies in watching is movies again and again just to hear what the hell he's talking about." - Kilteh

Dragonite wrote:Nice manipulation by Kir by the way, making it seem his night kill protection was absolute when he posted it in the main topic.

He only fooled the townies. Really. I was already on to him from the very beginning, and immediately spilled the beans to my scumbuddies.

MysteriousLad be like:

Oh hello, I am MysteriousLad.
Do you know when I was an OP player? When I wasn't in WWN and massclaims were legit good? Yea I miss the days I could force town to claim, rout out the mafia, and win the game for free day 3. Sometimes without being killed!
Senpai HPD notices me everyday when I'm town, do no scum play, and still get lynched day 1.
Anyway, it's time to go and ask people to claim and go lynch those who don't with my high-skill OP role.
I am MysteriousLad.

Epicest mastermind ever: PkPals4Life: HawkeBest townie: Linkman. He managed to annoy me for legit reasons.Just an annoyance: Twelve Boats. Managed to annoy me cause she was just being a b*tch.Background tiles: HPD, Dragonite, Kiltman (lol), Satel (he didn't get a chance to be more because of the aforementioned annoyance)Tool: Kir (unwittingly)Easy Kill: Qbie

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MysteriousLad be like:

Oh hello, I am MysteriousLad.
Do you know when I was an OP player? When I wasn't in WWN and massclaims were legit good? Yea I miss the days I could force town to claim, rout out the mafia, and win the game for free day 3. Sometimes without being killed!
Senpai HPD notices me everyday when I'm town, do no scum play, and still get lynched day 1.
Anyway, it's time to go and ask people to claim and go lynch those who don't with my high-skill OP role.
I am MysteriousLad.

I love how much I wanna be leader of anything and end up just being lead around and compromising my position because I'm a loudmouth.

Also, I'mma make that topic for next game.

MysteriousLad be like:

Oh hello, I am MysteriousLad.
Do you know when I was an OP player? When I wasn't in WWN and massclaims were legit good? Yea I miss the days I could force town to claim, rout out the mafia, and win the game for free day 3. Sometimes without being killed!
Senpai HPD notices me everyday when I'm town, do no scum play, and still get lynched day 1.
Anyway, it's time to go and ask people to claim and go lynch those who don't with my high-skill OP role.
I am MysteriousLad.

Yeah Linkman really was MVP for the town, it's a shame he was so grumbly and thus fairly easy to discredit, but man we came closer to losing our cover dealing with you than anything else.

For the record, I probably would have sided with you, Linky, had I been a legit town. Granted, if I was legit town I would be oh so suspicious of kireato and probably would have gotten myself killed trying to get him lynched =P

and i don't suppose we can wait a bit before the next game signups, lol?

HPD wrote:You know the only thing on the agenda of the Squirtle Squad is pure, unadulterated chaos.

You can. I'm not in a hurry to start the game. But I called dibs, so I will open the topic now, even if we play the game later.

MysteriousLad be like:

Oh hello, I am MysteriousLad.
Do you know when I was an OP player? When I wasn't in WWN and massclaims were legit good? Yea I miss the days I could force town to claim, rout out the mafia, and win the game for free day 3. Sometimes without being killed!
Senpai HPD notices me everyday when I'm town, do no scum play, and still get lynched day 1.
Anyway, it's time to go and ask people to claim and go lynch those who don't with my high-skill OP role.
I am MysteriousLad.

It's my fault really. I get bored when the town theorytards too much and then later on when I check again after a while I go "ugh guys why are you being so obtuse."

I am aware that it might seem bipolar to you guys but that's because I constantly switch from not caring to caring a little.

"everytime I try to draw xen I end up drawing a kangaroo smoking a cigar while chainsawing a tree" - Deoxy"I can't believe I'm the only person who voted Stallone. His appeal lies in watching is movies again and again just to hear what the hell he's talking about." - Kilteh

Aww. Well unfortunately, I had already revealed myself to Airnike. So basically from the beginning of the game, I took the decision to blindly trust him and hope for the best. I couldn't think of a way to test his allegiance since I was mostly blind as to what could be done.

I did find his insistence on using his COP instead of his SCOP troubling last night but I couldn't do much about it.

All the extra votes today had me reconsidering everything, but as I thought, it ended up before I could say much.

Kireato wrote:Aww. Well unfortunately, I had already revealed myself to Airnike. So basically from the beginning of the game, I took the decision to blindly trust him and hope for the best. I couldn't think of a way to test his allegiance since I was mostly blind as to what could be done.

I did find his insistence on using his COP instead of his SCOP troubling last night but I couldn't do much about it.

All the extra votes today had me reconsidering everything, but as I thought, it ended up before I could say much.

In a way, it was too late.
Also, from the moment I insisted on going COP, I counted you as "not trusting me". Also, my SCOP still sucked. Except for sending three townies into space, that is. I mean come on, who can survive that?
Also yes, it makes two games in a row that I participate in a lightning-fast mafia quickhammer. 7-minute on the first, and one minute on the second.
Can't top this.

MysteriousLad be like:

Oh hello, I am MysteriousLad.
Do you know when I was an OP player? When I wasn't in WWN and massclaims were legit good? Yea I miss the days I could force town to claim, rout out the mafia, and win the game for free day 3. Sometimes without being killed!
Senpai HPD notices me everyday when I'm town, do no scum play, and still get lynched day 1.
Anyway, it's time to go and ask people to claim and go lynch those who don't with my high-skill OP role.
I am MysteriousLad.

hawkesnightmare wrote:You saying something wouldn't have changed anything. We had the necessary five votes all by ourselves, so no matter who you voted for, you were screwed.

QFT.
The only way you could win was outrun us at lynching someone. And you still had 50% chance of choosing the wrong guy and winning it for us xD

MysteriousLad be like:

Oh hello, I am MysteriousLad.
Do you know when I was an OP player? When I wasn't in WWN and massclaims were legit good? Yea I miss the days I could force town to claim, rout out the mafia, and win the game for free day 3. Sometimes without being killed!
Senpai HPD notices me everyday when I'm town, do no scum play, and still get lynched day 1.
Anyway, it's time to go and ask people to claim and go lynch those who don't with my high-skill OP role.
I am MysteriousLad.

And I was bossing everyone around in a way, like Linkman said. Mole in charge BAHAHA--

Enough being evil. I still have my 100% make-it-to-endgame record after 6 games or something

MysteriousLad be like:

Oh hello, I am MysteriousLad.
Do you know when I was an OP player? When I wasn't in WWN and massclaims were legit good? Yea I miss the days I could force town to claim, rout out the mafia, and win the game for free day 3. Sometimes without being killed!
Senpai HPD notices me everyday when I'm town, do no scum play, and still get lynched day 1.
Anyway, it's time to go and ask people to claim and go lynch those who don't with my high-skill OP role.
I am MysteriousLad.

Town was in a really bad position right from the get-go due to the stupidness of the faction chat and a bunch of horribly unbalanced powers.

I literally had nothing to work with, except for Kireato. Besides Satel, he was the only one I figured I could trust.

Dragonite and Linkman did very little beneficial to the town except post the occasional grump. Deoxy is just Deoxy and I sort of know what to expect. Then Kilty dropped out and we were in deep crumpets.

On top of that, I really got screwed out of powers and had nothing to use that would somehow help.

This game was easy for the mafia. Next time, every ability and whatnot should be made public at game start, so that the town actually has a chance to consider things.

"So when I say the fudge shaman flies he goddamn well flies and that's that." - Narts"My motto is that there are far too many women in the world to waste time with men." - thefalman"It's just that I'm not really aware of how a common conversation goes." - Imano Ob, talking on MSN about talking on MSN"As for FE8, that was IS' variant of Man Spam - Dudes with Swords edition." - Xenesis

1) Deoxy's death ray rng was hilarious and all, but really, don't do it again. Death by RNG sucks and also, not knowing how your class works sucks. Maybe Deoxy would have actually gave a crumpets about the game if she had a functioning class. IDK.

2) If there's mafia in the chats, for the love of god tell people right away. It might have been a completely different game if Kir hadn't roleclaimed. Maybe. I think the chats were underused and a good idea overall, if HPD had pressed me in there I don't think I would have done as well as Ainiku did with Kir.

That said, COs I liked:

Satel's was very interesting. The win condition sucked, especially for HPD, but she had a cheap, potentially gamewinning SCOP that was entirely based around politics. I think we've covered it to death, but it would have been cool had the game not blown up in Satel's face (literally =P)

Linkman's actually was pretty great too, if he had been able to use it. Basically, instead of trying to figure out who's evil, Linky needed to figure out who's innocent and then help them anyway he could. In a game with limited communication, the ability to communicate secretly was huge, I would have used it to create a code that we could then use in the topic. Biggest problem is if you ended up helping the mafia, but this was overall a class with huge risk/reward for the town.

Caulder, let's face it, would have been a BOSS had Twelve Boats not been in the game. The idea of a player who starts out weaker than everyone else but slowly ramps up into an unstoppable force perfectly fits the bill. And his SCOP wasn't QUITE as bad as he thought, would have been even better if Satel had joined us as planned.

So yeah there we go that's my thoughts on the mechanics side of the game. I wasn't lying when I said the mechanics of this game were genuinely interesting. And all bs theorycrafting about "perfect voting patterns" aside, I do like the fact that the mechanics push you to lynch people.

I strongly suggest people read the NBH topic btw =P

HPD wrote:You know the only thing on the agenda of the Squirtle Squad is pure, unadulterated chaos.

Pkdragon wrote:Ok, SO. Two things for anyone who makes a game like this:

1) Deoxy's death ray rng was hilarious and all, but really, don't do it again. Death by RNG sucks and also, not knowing how your class works sucks. Maybe Deoxy would have actually gave a crumpets about the game if she had a functioning class. IDK.

2) If there's mafia in the chats, for the love of god tell people right away. It might have been a completely different game if Kir hadn't roleclaimed. Maybe. I think the chats were underused and a good idea overall, if HPD had pressed me in there I don't think I would have done as well as Ainiku did with Kir.

That said, COs I liked:

Satel's was very interesting. The win condition sucked, especially for HPD, but she had a cheap, potentially gamewinning SCOP that was entirely based around politics. I think we've covered it to death, but it would have been cool had the game not blown up in Satel's face (literally =P)

Linkman's actually was pretty great too, if he had been able to use it. Basically, instead of trying to figure out who's evil, Linky needed to figure out who's innocent and then help them anyway he could. In a game with limited communication, the ability to communicate secretly was huge, I would have used it to create a code that we could then use in the topic. Biggest problem is if you ended up helping the mafia, but this was overall a class with huge risk/reward for the town.

Caulder, let's face it, would have been a BOSS had Twelve Boats not been in the game. The idea of a player who starts out weaker than everyone else but slowly ramps up into an unstoppable force perfectly fits the bill. And his SCOP wasn't QUITE as bad as he thought, would have been even better if Satel had joined us as planned.

So yeah there we go that's my thoughts on the mechanics side of the game. I wasn't lying when I said the mechanics of this game were genuinely interesting. And all bs theorycrafting about "perfect voting patterns" aside, I do like the fact that the mechanics push you to lynch people.

I strongly suggest people read the NBH topic btw =P

Death by RNG sucks. No crumpets.

Joey wrote:i think i was mad at certain players and wanted to wave st3rn's success in their face at the most opportune moment, or something

by the time he's charged enough, the game is in too late a stage for his abilities to matter

I think it'd be better if the more stars he gets, the harder it'll be to kill him, or something

"So when I say the fudge shaman flies he goddamn well flies and that's that." - Narts"My motto is that there are far too many women in the world to waste time with men." - thefalman"It's just that I'm not really aware of how a common conversation goes." - Imano Ob, talking on MSN about talking on MSN"As for FE8, that was IS' variant of Man Spam - Dudes with Swords edition." - Xenesis

"everytime I try to draw xen I end up drawing a kangaroo smoking a cigar while chainsawing a tree" - Deoxy"I can't believe I'm the only person who voted Stallone. His appeal lies in watching is movies again and again just to hear what the hell he's talking about." - Kilteh

Okay. So according to IRC Chat feedback, I'll apologize to everyone for my recent obnoxiousness.

Also Linkman has extra apologies if he takes them for my antagonizing him. You have my congratulations as well, for being the only one except the Lad who found me out.

Also, screw RNG. I was scum like 4 games out of 6/7?

MysteriousLad be like:

Oh hello, I am MysteriousLad.
Do you know when I was an OP player? When I wasn't in WWN and massclaims were legit good? Yea I miss the days I could force town to claim, rout out the mafia, and win the game for free day 3. Sometimes without being killed!
Senpai HPD notices me everyday when I'm town, do no scum play, and still get lynched day 1.
Anyway, it's time to go and ask people to claim and go lynch those who don't with my high-skill OP role.
I am MysteriousLad.

honestly that's the third problem with the game, in general stars charged a bit too slow and therefore everyone's stars went off at the end of the game. But it's hard to pin down exactly what the problem is there, and even harder to balance it.

Of course, it might have been different if the game had been longer than 4 days (one of which nothing happened and the other was basically game over), either because there were more players ,or the town had managed to kill off one of the mafia.

Still think it was better than you made it seem and had there not been a fudge of powers going off round 4, including both of the mafia voting powers, it might well have turned out different.

@ Linkman

Ahhh I missed that, that explains why he was able to protect me (>_>) last night despite us not charging him up.

HPD wrote:You know the only thing on the agenda of the Squirtle Squad is pure, unadulterated chaos.

The neo black hole discussion is hillarious btw. 'Yeah, I've noticed that Dragonite is hard because he hardly follows what's going on, meaning mafia ploys tend to not work on him. He's also very stubborn and resistant to being manipulated. He doesn't really help the town so much as is really hard to control.'' stubborn, eh? It's nice to have that one perk at the very least. >_>

I agree with HPD we should have claimed more openly. As I said before I started, I tend to play very passive if I have to many unknowns. I'm mostly blaming myself for not actively trying to fill the gaps, such the unknown CO powers. I also had that insta-kill charging up over time, and was hesistant to go public with it. Had I surivived to activate it, I would have used it on one of my own suspects, although it probably would've been useless with Kir's protection.

Overall, this game was pretty good in hindsight. The mafia seem to have had a blast with them having a better grasp on the situation. It would have been closer if Kir's gambit didn't bore the town. The lifeblood of mafia is urgency after all. With Kilty bailing out and Deoxy being a wildcard(and not being very clear about it), our midgame was shoddy as well. Would be down for trying this again with a few tweaks.

One suggestion would be dropping the SCOPs. The game would flow better if COP of all prices are used throughout different phases, but that just my opinion. Perhaps we can also add more charging options, half stars seem like a good start.

I also aren't really a fan of nightkill immunity that last longer then a single night. Being pressed to rat out mafia as soon as possible makes it easier for the town to rally together.

This game was also a test, I wanted to add some even more wacky mechanics however I resisted. (Think even more spawns and unit battles.)
This game has given me a lot of info; you guys dislike lynchers, star charging needs a tweak ect. I'll keep the neighbourhoods, it allows for talk for those who want to. The masons could of also abused it.

"i put on my robe and wizard hat" ~Pkdragon
"rocks fall everyone dies" ~HPD
Welcome to the optimistic world of WWN And logic doesn't work on MysteriousLad... ~KireatoWait, wait, wait.

MysteriousLad showed me the setup ahead of time, but there were just too many factors for me to get a sense of balance. I told him it would be best to go ahead with it and see where the problems popped up.

Probably should have thought about what people should have been informed of before the game started, though. If I'd been thinking of that, I definitely would have recommended a warning that mason partners might not be town-aligned.