is murray at his peak ? (could be), still improving ?(i think), or had his best year already ?
same for djokovic also..his level so far in career has generally been higher than murrays..(no1 rank, more majors/masters/world tour finals)

although the h2h have been pretty close alot of times..so even if djokovic remains more dominant in terms of titles, murray could feasibly have a winning h2h vs djokvic..but then again just as likely not

I concur with others. It will probably go something similar to what it is now for the future, another 10-7 in their next 17 matches, ending something like 20-14, similar to Sampras and Agassi. Djokovic is just a bit more explosive all around and tougher mentally. Murray has a more versatile game but it doesnt really give him the edge overall it seems.

I concur with others. It will probably go something similar to what it is now for the future, another 10-7 in their next 17 matches, ending something like 20-14, similar to Sampras and Agassi. Djokovic is just a bit more explosive all around and tougher mentally. Murray has a more versatile game but it doesnt really give him the edge overall it seems.

Djokovic hasn't won a slam since January 2012, and even then he needed a 7-5 fifth set to beat Murray. They met at the US Open and Murray won the 5th set EASILY. There is no doubt where this rivalry is going. It's all Murray.

Djokovic hasn't won a slam since January 2012, and even then he needed a 7-5 fifth set to beat Murray. They met at the US Open and Murray won the 5th set EASILY. There is no doubt where this rivalry is going. It's all Murray.

It was rallies like these that eventulally resulted in Djokovic physically breaking down.

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Djokovic won that rally.

In fact, the majority of Djokovic/Murray rallies go in a pattern where they hit passively to each other until Djokovic either gets bored and hits a winner, or Murray makes an unforced error.

Do you see that Murray is screwed both ways - he's not as consistent and can't defend as well as Djokovic, so will always cough up the unforced error first, and he also is far physically weaker than Djokovic, and doesn't have the strength to swing the racket fast enough to hit winners, so is vulnerable to getting blasted off the court by Djokovic as well.

With this in mind, it truly is remarkable that the H2H has been so close - one would have to think that when they've met they've mainly played mostly on surfaces or under conditions that Djokovic does not favor, or that Djokovic has suffered with personal issues or his previous susceptibility to allergies to skew the H2H slightly.

...one would have to think that when they've met they've mainly played mostly on surfaces or under conditions that Djokovic does not favor, or that Djokovic has suffered with personal issues or his previous susceptibility to allergies to skew the H2H slightly.

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I always hear this on these forums.

People always try and find excuses for whenever Murray succeeds. I mean, he has a losing H2H against Novak yet you're still laying into him.

Give the guy a break for goodness sake. Many matches between them have been genuinely evenly-poised, with only a few points making the difference either way.

Depends on where they play each other really. If they start meeting more on grass, then Murray will have the edge. If they meet more on clay (despite Murray pushing Djokovic very close many times) Djokovic will have the edge. On hardcourts it will remain fairly even.

What a cry baby you are. You are totally devoid of a sense of humor, and if you don't like my posts, put me on ignore.

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If I'm a crybaby for voicing expressing my displeasure every once in a while, what are you? You do it every second post LOL. I wouldn't say I'm devoid of a sense of humor, your sense of humor is just tasteless (and exceptionally redundant).

If I'm a crybaby for voicing expressing my displeasure every once in a while, what are you? You do it every second post.

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You're a cry baby for making such a big deal out of some harmlesss nicknames. There is a whole lot worse said on here(especially about Nadal), but I don't see your self-righteous indignation about any of those things do I?

Oh, and if anyone is "redundant" and "tasteless" in their attempts at humor, it's your hero with his lame impersonations, lame dirty jokes, and embarrassing attempts at dancing.

In fact, the majority of Djokovic/Murray rallies go in a pattern where they hit passively to each other until Djokovic either gets bored and hits a winner, or Murray makes an unforced error.

Do you see that Murray is screwed both ways - he's not as consistent and can't defend as well as Djokovic, so will always cough up the unforced error first, and he also is far physically weaker than Djokovic, and doesn't have the strength to swing the racket fast enough to hit winners, so is vulnerable to getting blasted off the court by Djokovic as well.

With this in mind, it truly is remarkable that the H2H has been so close - one would have to think that when they've met they've mainly played mostly on surfaces or under conditions that Djokovic does not favor, or that Djokovic has suffered with personal issues or his previous susceptibility to allergies to skew the H2H slightly.

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Heh, heh. Nice try tennis-fan-182. Back again are you with your "Murray is so physically weak he can hardly hit a tennis ball" and "he can only ever win against someone like Djokovic because of the weirdest flukes" etc. etc. etc.

The mods are on to you. Have fun before you get banned yet again (hopefully for good this time)!

There is a whole lot worse said on here(especially about Nadal), but I don't see your self-righteous indignation about any of those things do I?

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That's where you're wrong, friend, you just have to pay attention :lol: Just last week I defended Nadal against those wildly speculative doping/silent ban accusations. I think all fan groups on here say some overboard things about their favourite players rivals. You are just one of them, and a simple look through my posting history would prove that I do not single you out.

Oh, and if anyone is "redundant" and "tasteless" in their attempts at humor, it's your hero with his lame impersonations, lame dirty jokes, and embarrassing attempts at dancing.

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My hero? He's merely one of my favourite tennis players, along with Fed, Tsonga, Dolgopolov, Haas, etc. I like his game and I like him as a person.

Yes, I agree his humor, like yours, can be redundant, because he repeats a lot of his jokes. Never said he was perfect, or acted like it. Your portrayal of me is a caricature. You merely react defensively because you know what I say to be true -- stubborn people are often unwilling to admit their shortcomings. Hence why you choose to turn the tables and make it about me, to compensate and to draw the attention away from your flaws. Very interesting from a psychological perspective.

What a cry baby you are. You are totally devoid of a sense of humor, and if you don't like my posts, put me on ignore.

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So when people complain about your antics, you say they have no sense of humor. Yet when people say you're not funny, you claim that you're making all Djokovic nicknames for yourself and it's not meant to be funny.

Either whatever you're doing isn't funny only makes you come across as a desperate, superstitious little freak.

So when people complain about your antics, you say they have no sense of humor. Yet when people say you're not funny, you claim that you're making all Djokovic nicknames for yourself and it's not meant to be funny.

Either whatever you're doing isn't funny only makes you come across as a desperate, superstitious little freak.

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What resurrected trolls like you don't understand is that I don't make up nicknames in an attempt to be funny. I do it because I want to, and because it fits him at the moment. I'm not looking for approval from zombie trolls or anyone else.

Yeah agreed, it's stunning haha. It's as if Novak personally peed in her cereal or something.

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You know what is even more stunning? Vero's hatred for all things related to Fed. Don't see you jumping all over her case for that(not that I am surprised). She has stooped so low as to say nasty things about his children so he definitely must have peed in her cereal.

Yeah agreed, it's stunning haha. It's as if Novak personally peed in her cereal or something.

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It's funny that after talking about psychological perspective and all you side with another pathological hater just because she likes your favorite player. You whine about Clarky's hatred for Djokovic and takes support of Vero, who has a pathological hatred for Federer. Stop being such a hypocrite. It's all the same. You side with her cause she also shares your hatred for Federer and bottomless admiration for Djokovic.

I like Djokovic but I find the names that she gives him funny. So humor is subjective. You don't have to get this bitter and make mountains out of mole hills just because of a small nick name.

What resurrected trolls like you don't understand is that I don't make up nicknames in an attempt to be funny. I do it because I want to, and because it fits him at the moment. I'm not looking for approval from zombie trolls or anyone else.

And how am I superstitious by making up a nickname? Makes zero sense.

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Well, don't call TheFifthSet a 'crybaby' for 'not having a sense of humor' when he objects to it then. You've just admitted it's not funny, so why would someone need a sense of humor to appreciate it?

You call him (Djokovic) nicknames because you're superstitious. It's like by calling Djokovic by his real name you're afraid you'll be personally responsible for the next beat-down he gives Nadal or something. It's quite pathetic.

It's funny that after talking about psychological perspective and all you side with another pathological hater just because she likes your favorite player. You whine about Clarky's hatred for Djokovic and takes support of Vero, who has a pathological hatred for Federer. Stop being such a hypocrite. It's all the same. You side with her cause she also shares your hatred for Federer and bottomless admiration for Djokovic.

I like Djokovic but I find the names that she gives him funny. So humor is subjective. You don't have to get this bitter and make mountains out of mole hills just because of a small nick name.

Before talking about morals and all take a look at the mirror.

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Actually TheFifthSet is a Fed fan (though to a slightly lesser degree than he's a Novak fan perhaps) who got into plenty of scraps with Vero in the past.

Admittedly, I do find some Clarky's nicknames of Novak to be funny such as Cvac and Djesus (I couldn't stop laughing about that one).

It's funny that after talking about psychological perspective and all you side with another pathological hater just because she likes your favorite player. You whine about Clarky's hatred for Djokovic and takes support of Vero, who has a pathological hatred for Federer. Stop being such a hypocrite. It's all the same. You side with her cause she also shares your hatred for Federer and bottomless admiration for Djokovic. I like Djokovic but I find the names that she gives him funny. So humor is subjective. You don't have to get this bitter and make mountains out of mole hills just because of a small nick name.

Before talking about morals and all take a look at the mirror.

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Exactly. Vero has said things about Fed on here that are far worse than the harmless nicknames I give Eeyore. She has had the nerve to insult his children, which resulted in her being banned for a while. She caused a huge stir up in the Fed babies thread when she did it and caused a bunch of posts to be deleted. She will deny it ever happened, but she's a liar.

It's also funny that I have asked her a few times now if she has ever been banned from this board and she will not answer me. I wonder why? :wink:

To be honest, he is criticizing Clarky for being a Djokovic hater and he is taking support of Vero, who is a Roger hater. It sounded like hypocrisy to me.

Some of Clarky's nicknames are funny. What's the harm in a little fun? It's like the tots complaining about candy. Some people need to grow up

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I thought he was a ********* too, and yesterday he said Eeyore was one of his favorites so you're not far off.

Yep. Some people are just too uptight and worry about the silliest of things that they suck all of the fun out of everything. I would hate to go through life being so utterly humorless that I can't tolerate a harmless nickname that hurts no one.

Murray - Novak surely cannot keep playing the way he does into his late 20s. At this time however, on a hard court, I always fancy Djokovic to win. He is more consistent and reliable, particularly on the forehand wing.