Skill Based Matchmaking in Call of Duty – Good or Bad? [Video]

Skill based matchmaking in Advanced Warfare has been a huge subject within the Call of Duty Community.

Some are for the inclusion of skill based matchmaking whereas some are strongly against it. We have received thousands of comments from you, our readers in the last couple of months, and decided it was a subject that couldn’t be ignored.

We join YouTuber’s Ali-A, BennyCentral and Wizzite to discuss the impact of skill based matchmaking. Be sure to subscribe to our channel for further Call of Duty content.

I watched a little over 16 minutes of this video so I feel I can share my opinion. I agree with all of them. We all were terrible at the game when we first started at COD. I got demolished in COD 2, 3 and even 4 for most of its life cycle. I only had like a 1.5 KD during Cod 4. And then as I continued to play more I got better. It’s how everything in life works. Practice makes perfect. I never gave up and continued to spend 40-50 days of my life playing Call of Duty. So I don’t get how SHG and Condrey can say this is to make it fair for everyone when all it does is keep the bad players bad and keep the good players from playing their game. If I want to play competitively I’ll play League Play (Ranked Play). But after saying everything I said I still want to say this. I genuinely like Advanced Warfare. I went from pulling 2KDs since World at War to an atrocious 1.61 in this game. Which is because of SBMM, but at least I like the game. I’ll never hate a game as much as I hated Ghosts. So while I disagree with it being in the game I’ll play it because I like it. Though I do hope it’s not in the next COD. That and Exos. Not a fan of the Exos.

It’s not love. I’d rather play BO1 or WAW, but it’s definitely a COD I enjoy

ScOott

With SBMM it’s not life either … On older cods I would find cod taking over anything I did watching films playing different games … This one meh play it when nothing else to play … What’s really annoying is that is a pretty decent game (even with the exo)

justchill

black ops became boring now, it has become very repetitive and stale unless you haven’t played for a long time

this game, this developer lets face it we had never had as many as as we have now. of course the introduction of exo movements means that it will be more easy for people to do glitches, so it will be harder for the developer to fix.

if they want, they don’t have to release patches very often just like ghosts since they already got your money, but they also care about the fans. there must be a reason why they are not fixing SBMM and its not as severe as it was before.

i know some things may not be good in this game, but at least its different from cod, thats what people wanted and the perhaps the only way to make games different is to go to the future, that way new things would be introduced, if we had a waw cod now then people may complain that it is the same game as previous cod….

How is 1.61 bad? Better yet, why does KD even matter in the first place?

ScOott

It is compared to his previous kd … Kd is important imo not to any one else apart from the persons who it is … I like to compare my kd from one game to the other see how much I’ve improved … And Im very competivte I like to have a better kd than my wife to annoy her … Take away kd you take away part of the game I don’t like the fact people can’t see each others kd in this game it shows u how good your team is (excluding objective games) but it’s still an important factor for me personally

MichiganerE

No, KD makes it so people don’t go for the objective. It ruins teamwork.

ScOott

When has cod ever been about team work tho really every one always just wants to be top of the leaderboard I think that’s why battlefeild does so well for the people who want that team work thing

MichiganerE

CoD 1 – WaW were close to teamwork. But because so many sweaty MLG tryhards only care about KD, that’s how they now design CoD game.

ScOott

i understand where your coming from but I’ve never seen a game of Dom where every one has a plus kd n loses the match its the team with minus kd that fail … Now I don’t play a lot of Dom I prefer td and kc so I don’t know how true that is its just what I come across

Unscene deX

Lol MLG tryhards care about winning not having a good KD. Have you ever watched MLG players play?!

MichiganerE

Nope. I don’t give a shit about that.

ccrows

IMO it’s gotten better since MW3 in the sense that people get rewarded for playing the objective.

Sure there are still gonna be kill whores, but IMO it’s a better (overall) experience now than what it used to be when you didn’t get rewarded…

I love playing Dom, Momentum, and S&D. I love kill whoring but also helping my team. 🙂

MichiganerE

I can see that working. But whenever I play AW, I usually play objective gamemodes.

Raven

Exactly!!

It’s is bad when you’ve had K/D over 2 or even 3 in all other CoDs. To me, 1.78 (my K/D atm) is bad, it bothers me to have that low of a K/D when I know I deserve a much better one. And the biggest problem is not even SBMM, it is the terrible netcode/lagcomp that this game has. K/D is important on TDM, and whether people admit it or not, K/D CAN be a measure of how good a player is (of course it’s not the only thing that matters, SPM, winning ratio etc are important too outside of TDM). But anyway, that’s me, if someone doesn’t care about K/D that’s ok, I don’t care about other people’s K/Ds I care about mine.

bird

“I know I deserve a much better one. ”

you have got to be kidding me. lol you earn your K/D by killing and dying. you deserve exactly what you have

John

Facepalm, not when the netcode/lag comp is all fu**** up. You are probably a noob who doesn’t even realize why exactly this game is a mess.

For you and your great intelligence it must be just a coincidence that most of us who had K/Ds over 2 and 3 in past CoDs are below 2 on this one, or you must think it is just because SBMM lol, get a clue.

bird

so you are cool with leaving in SBMM, just they need to fix their “netcode” right?

John

Yeah, since there aren’t even that many people with those ratios and connection is still important in SBMM. It is highly unlikely that I’ll ever be in a lobby full of people with K/Ds over 2 and 3. And I have no problems handling people below that.

Funny how you spent too much time commenting here yet it is obvious you know nothing about SBMM, netcode and Lag comp.

Look at OverBakedMuffin and Drift0rs videos.

RebornAngel666

Why do you just completely ignore the whole MAIN IDEA about his comment? Wtf

MichiganerE

I read it. But the part about KD stuck out to me.

NeonPhyzics

it stuck out to me as well – seems like throwing in the comment “atrocious 1.61” (combined with the “I watched 16 mins” so I can comment ) is arrogant and childish and distracts from the overall comments without adding any value.

Baldmanz_RAGE

Agreed. I love when these people play down their 1.50 K/D as if it is a bad ratio. Jesus, If anyone maintains a higher K/D they are either cheating or playing the sweatiest way possible. Either way its all bullshit. Maintaining anything higher has got to be least fun to be had in a video game. There has got to be no challenge if that’s the case. To each his own I guess. Personally that is no fun to constantly wreck noobs just to keep that K/D.

ScOott

You make no sense … Why is it cheating because someone has a high kd :s and why is it not fun to maintain it n do really well everygame n see what the biggest streak you can go on … I don’t understand your comment at all … Please explain to me the fun of having a poor kd ? … If u don’t see a massive difference in your kd over this game and previous games u was never very good at the game in the first place … People with high kd are struggling to keep it that way cuz every game is like your competing in the cod championship not because they are try hards just because that’s what we have been matched up with … People with low kd get to play people equally as bad so they either do the same as they always have or better n its not fair tbh

Baldmanz_RAGE

My point is that you and people like you think that 1.5 is a poor kd. Kd is not why I play the game. Maybe it’s yours but not mine. I play objectives not kill whoring so you can brag to your homies about your precious Kd. Good luck maintaining that in advanced warfare. I’ll play my way you can play yours.

ScOott

Good luck indeed … I do play the objective i just don’t find it fun when u go negative …it gets frustrating all the time Having to go in with your try hard class, with your try hard gun, with your try hard attatchments and perks just to do well (and play the objective) is not the one it shouldn’t be like that imo

bird

if its frustrating you then you should try killing more people than kill you

bird

“it’s not fair” jesus go whine to your mother.

ScOott

I do well most games what are you talking about … Unfortunately my mother doesn’t work for SH ur another one with a poor kd that loves SBMM try getting good at the game then u will realise why people hate it *edit* this is an article sbout SBMM get out of here if you cant handle talking about it … Cod community wonder why people think they are so immature you are a prime example

bird

my k/d by game: MW2 – 0.85 BO1 – 1.13 BO2 – 1.18 AW – 1.1

it hasn’t changed much. i dont really care about “Getting better” im good enough. it is silly to match people with 0.5 k/d with people with 2+ k/d. it is insanely stupid. the only people want SBMM out is so that they have the chance to play ins shitty lobbies and artificially inflate their K/D so they feel good about themselves. play people who are as good as you, stop bitching

ScOott

I’m not bitching this is a SBMM article I was giving my opinion .. What is ranked play for then ? Cod is supposed to be a casual game always has been … I’m also good enough but how many nukes have I got in this game 0 that’s how many … Because it’s impossible … My first ever kd was .80 n now before this game I’m close to 2.kd shows how much I’ve improved SBMM has taken that away from all new comers to the game they will never get better kd stuck on a 1.1

John

And I was right, you are a noob who doesn’t have a clue what the real problem is with this game. “I am good enough” ROFLMAO!!!!

bird

so tell me what your problem is with SBMM if you don’t mind?

TehShadewRaeper

Actually for SSBM it does in drift0rs old video that he took down after a week. He found that the game looks at your past call of duty combat records to help match you with similar skill. It’s in the matchmaking code. And it’s been a bitch for me to have fun in this game because of it.

Agreed although I think a large reason for the drop in the KD of most players is less to do with SBMM, (its a factor) its more to be with the difference in how the game plays. Because of the random nature of AW compared to B02 especially, it pushes KDs closer to 1.

AW is almost a completely different game to past CODs that expectations have to be reset. Most haven’t done that and thus aren’t enjoying it. I wish the SBMM was toned down significantly and the Ranked play made more legitimate. Until this happens this will remain a 8/10 COD.

NeonPhyzics

I also think the killstreak nerfs hurt KDR in AW…a lot of people in past would just get that VSAT to lead to the dogs to the lead to the chopper gunner.. which nets you 10-20 extra kills per game (total) and increases KD by simple math – in AW, your streaks might get you 4-6 kills per cycle, so overall you lose those 40 and 5 games boosting your stats

bird

great point… +1,000

bird

as many people who’s k/d’s are dropping, there are people on the other end who have higher k/d than ever before because a) they are playing appropriate competition, and b) the game has a steep enough learning curve they were able to be on more even playing ground

the more you know… every cod since cod4 has had SBMM to some degree. its not changing. there’s nothing wrong with it

Xx_ThomesAnTennksweg_xX

But they were connection prioritised and still managed to find a game quickly. Aw takes up to 5 minutes to find a game and usually that game lags loads which means you need to find another game

bird

AW is connection prioritized first. connection first, then skill out of those with decent connections. just like all the others. And i have had very few problems finding games, unless im looking in a super niche type like hardcore or classic. and even then it is 1 out of 100 games being laggy at all

Xx_ThomesAnTennksweg_xX

Connection first? Please explain why I am always a 1 bar connection on dedicated servers but on Blops2 and ghosts that didnt use servers I had full connection no lag. The second my friend is party leader with his 0.6kd I have no lag as in his skill bracket there is actually games with good connection for our location, the game picks skill first then connection. Thats why high skilled players have loads of lag but noobs with low kds get no lag as there are more nooby lobbies to choose from than skilled lobbies.

Also explain why I can play MMO games like planetside 2 with no lag at all while downloading but aw I cant play without lag even if all my devices are turned off.

bird

they’ve already stated they use the same matchmaking technique as in the past. connection first, then skill. either you have shitty internet or live in a remote location. go play planetside if you are sad you can’t destroy the noob lobbies in this game

Xx_ThomesAnTennksweg_xX

Definitely not the same techniques, in blops2 i had variety in games, from sweaty prestige masters to newbies. In aw I just get other prestige 6-10s and occasionally a level 50 who doesnt want to prestige. My internet is 8mbps down 1mbps up and 22ms latency, Average speeds with excellent latency so there should only be lag every now and then. Id have no probs with Sbmm if they made the connection more prioritised

bird

that’s not great internet… i have about 18 down and 2 up, 25 latency.. haven’t had even an ounce of problem since after the first week the game was out. gotta be something else going on.

Xx_ThomesAnTennksweg_xX

Is pretty good considering most cod players I know get around 5mbps, some of my clan get 0.5mbps and still play fine without lag. Its definitely sbmm thats the problem

plzstopbitchn

So the only reason you have a lower kd is solely based on a one of the contributing factories of matchmaking..could it be that in previous cods their sbmm was too lenient and it let in too many new players and you gained a false sense of being a 2kd player and now that cod has been continually progressing in a competitive direction they buffed the impact sbmm has on lobby. So instead of picking on little kids in the sandbox how about you come play chicken on the monkey bars. If you can’t handle it or it makes you upset just consider maybe just maybe your not that big and bad. As someone who loves this game and couldn’t care less about the mythology of sbmm being so game breaking. Aw is great. My kds are different on all cods, all positive tho and I just chalk it up to it being a different game nd maybe this one wasn’t my cup of tea like blops2. No need to get on comment sections and continue to single out one factor that plays only a percentage in WHO you play not HOW you play.

I never said I didn’t like AW. Because I do like it. I was just saying that because I am still good at this game I am put in lobbies with people that are all as good as me or even better than me. I love competition. I’m a very competitive person, but that’s why I play Ranked Play. Sometimes I liked just playing against randoms and relaxing. I really do like Advanced Warfare (like I stated), I just wish I didn’t have to play Pubs like it was Ranked Play. Hopefully you understand 🙂

understood

I got you bro

bird

at least this guy is admitting the only reason he is against SBMM is to get the occasional pub stomp in. its a terrible excuse, but i admire the honesty. keep up the hustle

Heroiik

Other than COD4 and MW2 BO2 and AW, I have over a 2.0 k/d. COD4 and MW2 were my beginner COD’s. I was decent at WAW, although my KD was not a 2 it was around a 1.9. I solely blame SBMM in both BO2 and AW for my low KD’s. We all who started off in COD in the early days learned the hard way. Kids now a day have it WAY too easy.

Colin MacKenzie

I used to have a 1.2 KD while playing hardcore back in the days of BO1 and MW3. I played BO2 League Play and now have an average competitive K/D of 1.6. I went from Iron to a 5 times Master by the time the game was done. SBMM does help players improve, and it does help them do it at a level pace. By competing against players of my own level, I was appropriately challenged and grew because of it. SBMM does work, however players should be entitled to make the choice of taking advantage of it or not. Personally I think BO2 did that much better than AW. League Play was better and Pubs was better.

common sense

So we’ve been complaining about it how long? And these d-bags finally decide to say something? Give me a break. It’s all a moneywhore scheme. Condrey might decide to take it off, but it’ll only be because barely anyone is playing the game. And we would have hard numbers to prove it, but he took out the player count too. Wow it’s like they knew this game was destined to fail even before it came out.

ScOott

have you made a new account ? Because on the latest article their is a new common sense

Mary Barnes

Stay away from women. You are my worst nightmare.

bird

you forget that a majority of us casual CoD players don’t have 40-50 days of our lives to commit to practicing to get better at video games. why penalize the masses when its is so easy to just match people up with an appropriate mix of players near their skill. Its a win-win

:edit: you and your “atrocious” 1.61 k/d would kill me so bad i would never have a chance. I’ve played since WaW and have gotten better from about a 0.85 in MW2 to a 1.2ish in BO2 now a 1.1 in AW. to think that simply by investing enough time that someone can get good enough to pull 3 k/d’s is silly. some of us just aren’t that great

Batman

After the last patch my connection is now acceptable so keep SBMM

AW is the best CoD ever, and my favourite FPS too.

Yes, I have played all Call of duty games, and no Im not a 13 year old, Im 17

ScOott

AHhh my best subject 😀 …

Guest

And just when i thought we were over this.

ccrows

Somebody from CI made this video, so NO!

and add on top of that that the community is very vocal against it!…

ScOott

And their u go preeching again … Leave him to it

ccrows

I’ve been good lately, but even CI is getting tired of this MM BS!

You might want to rethink which side of the field you choose to stand on from now on…

justchill

when you tell people not do to something, it makes them want to do something

It’s the way you talk about it that annoys me … We all agree with you your talking at us like your right n every one else is wrong WE ALL AGREE WITH YOU! … It doesn’t mean we have to fill every comment section with it apart from this one of corse …

ccrows

“It’s the way you talk about it that annoys me”

^ Guess what my friend, sometimes you got to burn a few villages to win the war!

I don’t give a F*** how we need to get the message across against SBMM to Devs, WE NEED TO GET THE MESSAGE ACROSS!

I applaud Charlie Intel for having the sack to make this video.

Thank you Petey, & Thank you Charlie Intel!…

ScOott

So do I…. But your speaking as if your a leader in a full scale war 😮 I mean this is only charlie Intel last time I checked… I didn’t sign up to be dictated too

ccrows

Twitter, Youtube, and Gamefaqs are pretty vocal against this.

^ I’m actually disappointed that some people (and again not you) on CI want to put blinders on and avoid the issue.

TBH I felt sorry for the way Jordan got beat up around here, when he was just trying to be vocal against this BS.

On any of the 3 sites above, he would have been supported.

Here, he got beat up… *SMH*

jordanxbrookes

Thanks, I guess.

ScOott

Yes because they are the three correct sites to go to … This is a site dedicated to cod news we don’t want to talk about SBMM dvery article but are forced to listen to it … Twitter has nothing to do with cod if people Talk about it on their it’s going to be better place to talk about it imo … I can’t really put into word what I mean but spamming ci is not the one

justchill

when you tell people not to do something, it makes them want to do it

ccrows

& for the most part, many of us have become quiet over the past articles of recent.

CI is now a new player that wants it gone. Are you with them or against them?

Don’t get mad at us, get mad at the people who made and posted this video!…

ScOott

I want sbbm gone as much as u belive it or not …. But I will not protest on this site on every article as it ruins charlie Intel it doesn’t ruin Twitter thats where voices should be heard

ccrows

I can’t even remember before today when was the last time that I even talked about SBMM here.

Don’t lump me into the whole “I will not protest on this site on every article” cuz that’s BS.

Once again, (and I’m not trying to be a D*** either, I’m being 100% serious) Don’t get mad at us, get mad at the people who made and posted the video!…

ScOott

Why this video is all about SBMM im not going to tell every one not to talk about it … Talk about it all u want in this comment section … When I wrote my first comment I was just talking about how you talk to people about it like your leading us all in to SBMM war against SH … Don’t get me wrong I have no problem with you but to me your passion n enthusiasm to get rid of SBMM often comes across as you dictating to people that what u say goes n that’s it … Just my observation

ccrows

My friend, I am only just one person speaking up against this.

You say that you are against it too. We each have our own way of speaking up against this that’s all.

What do I have to gain by being outspoken? I don’t do any of this for money. I just don’t want to see the series slowly die because of it.

Make no mistake, I love COD, but I don’t want COD turning more and more into Mario Party that’s all.

If I didn’t care, I wouldn’t be here, and I’m being straight up 100% honest with you…

ScOott

Fair enough … I don’t think it will ever get removed from advanced warfare … What I think people should do is be tweeting the treyarch team make sure it doesn’t get in that game.. Because if it is in the next game cod will have hung it self… n then avoid SH title next time until they tell us SBMM will not be in it

bird

of course youtube is against it, because all the teenagers are having a harder time making their dna bomb gameplay videos to show their 30 subscribers…

this game, this developer lets face it we had never had as many as updates as other cods. of course the introduction of exo movements means that it will be more easy for people to do glitches, so it will be harder for the developer to fix.

if they want, they don’t have to release patches very often just like ghosts since they already got your money, but they also care about the fans. there must be a reason why they are not fixing SBMM and its not as severe as it was before.

i know some things may not be good in this game, but at least its different from cod, thats what people wanted and the perhaps the only way to make games different is to go to the future, that way new things would be introduced, if we had a waw cod now then people may complain that it is the same game as previous cod….

PS: i am not currently paid by activision

pss: can a party play ex zombies online with the public

ScOott

okay … N to answer your question yes you can play in a party with public as far as I’m aware Ive played split screen with two other random people … Think it’s just like treyarch zombies

bird

of course the youtubers want it out, makes it so they can’t cherry pick shit lobbies to make their “expert gameplay videos” from… youtube circlejerk

AWKing

A storm is coming, Mr. Wayne.

AcePhoenix007

It’s fucking atrocious.

justchill

did you ever think that you are atrocious…

AcePhoenix007

No, because that would be false.

justchill

when you tell people that you are not something, it makes them believe that you are( something)

AcePhoenix007

err

bird

“shit he made a good point……… what do i do what do i do…. i know, ill post a meme…. that’ll prove him wrong”

AcePhoenix007

Nah.

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

No because he’s fabulouuuuuus

ScOott

Lmao! I’ve just watched the video I like how ali a shuts up when they talk about reverse boosting !!!

ccrows

I’m 100% against Reverse Boosting, but if SBMM wasn’t in to begin with we wouldn’t have to deal with any of this BS.

Yes, Ali A should be roasted for Reverse Boosting, but hey give him credit for still having the guts to stand up against SBMM.

^ & FTR I’m not a fan of Ali A either…

jordanxbrookes

Ikr? Lol, but props to Alistair for standing up against SBMM.

justchill

it has been reduced, but it cannot be destroyed….

jordanxbrookes

How do you know that? Because the patch notes say “matchmaking improvement”? Lmao.

justchill

compare your matches with ones on nov and be honest…

jordanxbrookes

In November I was having fun, then I started to be put against tryhards 24/7. There you are, completely being honest.

justchill

because your stats was zero that time, with your kd constantly changing , i am telling the matches were you released that there was SBMM to the ones now

ScOott

Yh I didn’t think he had it in him … I just thought he was an Ali a big noob 😮

bird

so props to the guy who is against SBMM because he had to reverse boost to do his “expert” gameplays videos on yootoob… naahhh no respect for that

QuickzZ-_-GhosT

Right now I don t really care about SBMM. I was one of the very first haters of it because it ruined my connection but,since the first BIG patch to the game,I m loving the game.Of course as my K/D improves , the enemies also improve but my teams are also getting better and I still dominate (however there are games where I get totally rekt).AW,as of now, is my 5th favourite COD.

Guywithbrains

In my opinion SBMM is a good thing. You may ask why exactly? I tell you why.

– It makes the game more fair for us who are 1.1 K.D. and below (most of community) – It really shows who is true man and got skill – It gives an opportunity for new players to start playing Call of Duty games – It gives an opportunity to actually win a Domination match without getting spawn trapped by wannabe tryhards

Also I want to answer one of frequently asked questions: “Why am I put into lobbies full of sweaty tryhards?” Answer: you are sweaty tryhard too. Same logic goes with me. I am put into lobbies full of noobs because I am noob too based on my K.D.

Also now you can’t say SBMM is cause to lag because it has been tested that there is some bigger problem going on which is causing the game to lag. But I have to say I still haven’t got lag.

Not trying to start a war but now I got an opportunity to say my own opinion. Cheers.

ScOott

But u will never get better … We all once had a 1.1 kd once but with every cod we get better the more we play that’s not going to happen any more

but guess what ? newbies do not give a shit, they do not want to play against better players.. this is really great, the pinnacle of hypocrisy ! Staring: CoD Players.. Everybody is whining “I want to play easy games, fuck SBM” while saying “Newbies do deserve hard games to get skill faster” You’re all weak !

LovekillerX

You sir deserve my upvote.

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

For what?

bird

for being one of the only people in this thread making any sense.

ITT: people for SBMM because it is fair, and balanced, and makes sense

people against SBMM “HELP MY K/D ISNT 2 anymore because everyone i play is in MLG tryhard sweating i have sweat in my eye where are the noobs i used to play against”

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

You’re a dumbass.

Games aren’t supposed to be fair. Nobody asked for SBMM. As for balance, it’s factually NOT balanced whatsoever. Defending SBMM? You really ARE ignorant.

bird

“Games aren’t supposed to be fair”

by stating that, anything else you say is completely irrelevant. This is you stating that you like cod because of the ability to lobby shop and play only shitty players to make yourself feel better. That is a fact, and you can’t deny it.

Again, since games arent supposed to be fair, that’s why they have local high school basketball teams play against the local NBA team right? i mean its not supposed to be fair, Lebron james should get to mop the floor with 16 year olds night in and night out right?

jesus christ i have never heard someone say such dumb things

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

No, troll, what’s fact is that I never stated that I wanted to play shitty players. When we play a Multiplayer game, we want to dominate our opponent. Fairness doesn’t fit into the equation. Balance doesn’t mean fair, nor does it mean equal. PLEASE quote me where I said I wanted to face shitty players. No, I want the Matchmaking algorithm to be a significantly improved version of earlier Call of Duties. This is supposed to be fucking next gen, and they still can’t figure out the net coding. Inexcusable.

Terrible analogy. Absolutely terrible. That’s not what I’m saying at all whatsoever. How can someone like you be so fucking retarded?

bird

“When we play a Multiplayer game, we want to dominate our opponent. Fairness doesn’t fit into the equation. Balance doesn’t mean fair, nor does it mean equal. PLEASE quote me where I said I wanted to face shitty players.”

if you want to dominate your opponent, but don’t want to play shitty players, then how do you suppose you are going to do that.???? By playing players of equal skill and dominating them, right?

what the fuck are you missing here…. you want to dominate the other team. but you don’t like SBMM because it pits you fairly against players of equal skill so you can’t dominate them as easily.

Read the writing on the wall bro. you literally have no argument to stand on not wanting SBMM because you want to dominate the other team, when the reason you dominate them in the first place is because they are obviously shittier than you… you have absolutely no logic or common sense in your argument.

based on your reasoning, you should be FOR sbmm, becuase you want to dominate the other team, but not by playing shitty players

ScOott

If you don’t notice a difference then I’m sorry your either very thick or never played cod before

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

Guess the fuck what? CoD is an easy game. Sledgehammer spent 3 years on the Exoskeleton in order to simplify the game mechanics, whilst having what made CoD what it is at the core (even though SBMM completely ruins this).

If CoD wasn’t easy, there wouldn’t be a Campaign where the game holds your hand and leads you on a direct path to your objective. If CoD wasn’t easy, then it wouldn’t be as simple to pick up and play, and the controls wouldn’t be as simple, as well.

Noobs are a rarity. CoD has been losing sales, thanks to Ghosts. But, speaking about noobs, they can play Combat Readiness to get better.

Guest

If CoD is an easy game then why are you here bitching ? 🙂

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

Because Advanced Warfare isn’t a Call of Duty game. It’s Titanfall with “Call of Duty” on it to sell better.

bird

then quit bitching about it and go play an old call of duty. problem solved.

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

Don’t tell me what to do. And you fanboying and justifying a broken game is simply dodging my arguments. What an idiot you are.

bird

Me enjoying a game sure sounds a lot better than hating it so much that you spend hours and hours playing it, ragiing because you aren’t as good as you thought you were, and then bitching online that the game must be broken since you can’t win. what a whiny bitch

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

Okay, fanboy, keep excusing a broken game.

You’re everything wrong with Call of Duty. You’re riding Activision’s dick so hard right now. I’m not allowed to criticize a game that I FUCKING PAID FOR? Get fucking real. What I said is fact and intelligent, get over it, you mindless troll.

I don’t give a fuck whether I’m good or not, and I couldn’t care less whether YOU are good at the game or not. Call of Duty is not a hardcore game. It is a casual game. Skill level is irrelevant, like you, “whiny bitch”.

bird

lmao. here’s how this works… if you don’t like call of duty or activision’s game, then dont fucking buy it or play it. They made the game the way they wanted to. it is not their fucking job to make your favorite game.

I like the game. If you paid for it and didnt like it, tough fucking titties, that’s your fucking problem. you can’t fault me for liking a game i bought, when you continue to play the game that you supposedly hate. that would put someone in a mental institution in years past. you are fucking mental

bird

i’ve never seen one single person have the lamest bunch of nonsense arguments in my entire life.

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

My arguments are factual. Get over it, fanboy.

bird

you have literally not used one single fact in any of your arguments. your entire argument is that games aren’t supposed to be fair, but you bitch constantly about how it isnt fair you have to play good players because it’s too hard. nobody wants to listen to your fucking sob story

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

Yes I have. Where are YOUR facts, other than blatant excuses and mindlessly calling me a dumbass, even though I am FAR more intelligent and mature than you?

Nobody wants to listen to your biased fanboyism. How old are you? 12?

I don’t care whether it’s fair or not. I just want to have fun. I never said that SBMM “isn’t fair”, I said that SBMM doesn’t make the game fun to a vast majority. Advanced Warfare is not fun (subjective). You are defending a matchmaking algorithm where it makes all players suffer. By your logic, OpTic Nadeshot (who is genuinely good at any Call of Duty game, no matter what it is, and I hate using him as an example because I hate e”Sports”) must also not be that good. You’re SO daft.

What are you going to do next? Defend Ghosts’s garbage game design? Defend Tina Palacios not doing her job? Get real.

bird

“even though I am FAR more intelligent and mature than you?”

haha,… ok dude. you are beyond help. i gave you all the facts, you choose to pay them no regard and continue to whine and piss and moan. you have absolutely no chance.

” You are defending a matchmaking algorithm where it makes all players suffer.”

how the fuck so.. i have been in much more interesting, highly contested, intense, and rewarding games in this call of duty than i ever have before. guess what so is LITERALLY everybody else EXCEPT for people like you, who are pissed that you don’t feel as superior as you have in the past, because you have to play people equal to your skill

like i said, if you don’t get it, you are absolutely hopeless.

jesus fucking teenagers

bird

so you would be thrilled if you got matched solely with people better than you right? because that would help you get better the fastest!

ScOott

of corse theirs a limit … But ur taking that away with SBMM … I’m not the greatest player in the world .. I used to see people with high kd in 2 and 3 n think wow he is good I would watch the kill cam n see how the hell he does it … Seeing a prestige master u feared going against them with their big kd but it was an amazing challange and something to aim for to get as good as that … N people not as good as u did the same n it ment something when u can across these players n it felt good when u was that realky good player … All of that is gone with SBMM it’s just o right lets have a game with people of the same skill as me theirs going to be no one better then me n no one worse than me lets have some fun :-/ … I’m understand your point if veiw I don’t get how u can’t get mine

bird

so your point of view is that you miss the feeling of shitty players marveling at your superior skill? you are right, I don’t get that point of view at all/. i would think much more highly of your skill if you could do pretty good against other good people, than if you kicked the shit out of a bunch of terrible players

ScOott

But I wouldn’t be kicking the shit out of terrible players … Their will be just as many people that are better than me … Thats why it was so fun it was random some games u had to try hard others where easy …stats don’t mean anything in this game it wants everyone to have the same kd n the same win loss ratio round about 50 50 … And every one be the same imagine if the world was like that it would be boring n that’s what’s holding the game back … My stats should reflect how well I do against everybody not same skill everygame

bird

hey, guess what! look at people’s k/d’s on the game… there are still people that have 2+ and 0.5- k/d’s. good players find a way to win. and the only way that, as you stated, non-sbmm would make it to where “there are just as many worse players than me as better players” is if you had exactly a 1 k/d/ if you have higher than 1, then it is going to be statistically skewed that you will normally play worse players.. sbmm makes it to no matter what your’ k/d you will always get exactly what you asked for: equal amounts of better and worse skilled playres than you… they just won’t be a ton better or a ton worse…. and that’s what you want is the one’s that are a ton worse

ScOott

Huh u get exactly the same skilled players .. And you can’t look at people’s kd on this cod so what are you talking about :-s why is ranked play in the game ? When I wanted to tryhard n show everyone how good I really was I would go into ranked play n just chill out in pubs after I had done … Now look at it their is no public any more just ranked all the way … If people where fed up of getting stomped on they would join ranked n play people just as good as them … if they wanted to try get a nuke they could do that in pubs n go play ranked when they needed a different kind of challange …. If you wanted to mess about with a shot gun or a sniper u would do it in pubs I’m shocking with a sniper n would only ever try it in pubs now I don’t get to play with them cuz I’m stuck in ranked … I don’t understand how u can’t see where I’m coming from … Their taking away a huge choice from us n ur fine with it :-s

bird

hey bud. you can still mess around with a shotgun or sniper if you want. i mean if you want to play and not try, go ahead and get your rocks off however you can. you should not be able to “not try” and go 30 kills 3 deaths… that is not how it works. so i don’t blame you for wanting to do your 360 noscopeeezzzz or whatever for your yootoob videos, but don’t bitch when you lose your precious k/d ratio.

and ranked play is to simulate MLG gaming. it is not meant as the lone option for people wanting to play people of equal skill. SBMM should have been this strong from the very beginning, then we wouldn’t have this coddled to generation of entitled pricks bitching about losing their already wayyyyy to high k/d’s

this game is showing people how good they actually are, not how good they can shop lobbies for noobs

ScOott

Lol I’m not a youtuber Im just a guy who wants to be able to use what ever gun he wants with out going negative … I can plus everygame if I use the bal n my best set up but every game shouldn’t be that competitive imo it’s just an arcade shooter … They trying to make it into something it’s not … I think where just going to have to agree to disagree

bird

“Im just a guy who wants to be able to use what ever gun he wants with out going negative”

that is your problem. the game was not designed for everyone to never go negative… it is statistically impossible for everyone to go positive every time. maybe if you focused your efforts on getting better with snipers and shotguns, instead of begging for horrible players to play against, you might just be able to go positive with them anyway.

That’s how you get what you want, is you try hard and get better.. not whine and cry about how its too hard and you want it to be easier. that is a shitty way to go about life

ScOott

I never whine or cry about SBMM … If u looked through every article (which I know u wouldn’t do because that would just be sad) I’m just saying if u did u wouldn’t ever find me talking about SBMM in any of them because I am against bringing it up in unrelated articles … But as this is SBMM I thought I’d give my opinion that is all … It’s hard to practise with anything if ur constsntly playing people with the same skill as u all using Bals … That’s why pubs used to be good … I’m not going to bitch about it tho I just get on with it n play the game .. All I was saying is I would prefer to see it gone as this was the right article to do so in

bird

so you are saying public matches used to be good solely because you played against worse players. that is so stupid.

and you have whined and cried about SBMM in this article (which is about SBMM and the one i’m responding to)

again you have a flawed viewpoint that the game isn’t fun unless you are handed good stats and insane k/d on a silver platter instead of having to actually be good to do good. thats not how this shit works hombre

ScOott

No you are focusing just on worse players … Your taking everything I say and just zooming into how I like to play bad players I’ve never said the game isn’t fun I still play the game … N I’ve never said I like playing bad players … But I just think its all in all a better experience without sbmm … I understand this kd means more than previous kd as the players are better I get that but putting kds aside I had an overall more fun experience with older cods … U can put that down to me playing bad players all the time if u want but it’s not the case … I have never searched for a poor lobby to improve my kd in older cods like u seem to think i must do … like I said before I like the challange to knock them off top spot in the next game if that’s the case … I just prefer it not being in the game n I don’t care enough to whine n cry about it I’m just talking to you about it normally I don’t care enough to get upset by SBMM If u was annoying Me in any way I would of stopped talking to u ages ago but where just having a normall convo about SBMM as far as I was concerned

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

Is he telling us to play against noobs? Please quote me to where he said that, because that is not the case.

you keep saying you want fun, but it sounds like the only way it is fun for you is to destroy everyone and have a 2+ k/d but now that you are unable to, it isnt fun anymore. you should be the one going to play combat training, because then you can have fun being casual and having a good K/d.

tl;dr, to these people against SBMM, fun = high k/d with no effort

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

Quote me to where I said that. Because I never did. Even then, CoD isn’t about skill level. Putting hardcore-like ‘features’ in a casual game is fucking stupid, I don’t care who you are.

Fuck off with your excuses. First you defend SBMM, then you defend having to pay $110 for a $60 game. What a joke…

bird

dude. you literally said that in the direct quote above that i posted it to. let me fucking copy and fucking paste it for your dumb ass:

We want FUN. Playing against decent enemies every game is no fun, in my eyes.

go play the fucking bots if you don’t want to play against decent players every game. you have a shitty argument and you should feel bad.

and i didn’t pay $110 dollars for this game, and nobody has to buy anything. if you think the game is so shit, then go sell it and buy fucking mario brothers or something

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

Read what I fucking said, you ignoramus.

I said playing against decent enemies in EVERY game. I never stated ONCE that I wanted to face shit players. Is English not your first language? Can you read?

Don’t tell me what to fucking do because I paid my money and I have every right to complain about the game in whatever fashion I want. Since you’re such a fanboy, shut the fuck up, and go play your Children’s Online Daycare.

You’re the one with shit arguments. Maybe you’re the one who should be playing against bots.

Again, twat, don’t tell me what to do. If my arguments are “weak” then your arguments must be, well, utter retardation. My arguments are fact, get over it. I never said that people HAVE to pay for anything, BUT they are forced to pay $110 in total for the game just to play a mode that should have been in the game at launch. But keep on excusing bullshit business practices.

bird

who the fuck do you want to play against then>? you don’t want to play against decent players… you never said you want to play against shit players…. who the fuck is left?????? you want to play against only the pros>??????

although that sounds ridiculous, i know what you actually mean by “i don’t want to play decent players every game”

it means ” I can’t beat decent players very often, so if the game wants to throw in some noobs every now and then that’s fine, and if they want to make it mostly noobs, that’s fine too, and actually you know just gice me all noobs, but i wont admit that i want that on the internet, that would be embarrassing”

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

Grow the fuck up and stop being such a fanboy. You are embarrassing yourself with your stupidity.

bird

the fuck do you even mean by fanboy? i mean i am a male, and i am a fan of this game, so technically you are right i am a man who likes the game

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

Then that’s your preference. But you literally just stated that you’re biased, therefore you ARE a fanboy, which makes every statement you made irrelevant. Congratulations. I’m done speaking to your trolling dumbass

bird

i stated i like the game, so that makes me a fan boy? if you aren’t a fan boy, does that make you a hate girl? is that the opposite of fan boy?

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

you can like whatever you want, doesn’t mean you’re not a fanboy

bird

“Playing against decent enemies every game is no fun”

so you are literally saying the game is only fun for you if occasionally you get thrown a lobby full of special olympics players who play with their controller upside down.

you sir are a fucking piece of work

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

You’re defending SBMM in a CASUAL game. You are the piece of work.

CoD is a casual game. SBMM doesn’t belong. Get the fuck over it.

bird

this guy…. lol

the fuck do you even mean by casual…. oh that’s right.. you want to be matched with shit players so you can pump up your k/d so you can brag to your mates at school (because you obviously can’t be more than 14 years old and actually make the arguments you are making)

Give me one legitimate reason why you don’t like SBMM that ISNT that you are mad that you have to play people equal to your skill and can’t lobby shop to stomp on noobs all the time. because that is not a legitimate reason for wanting it removed

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

Tell me where the fuck I said that. At all. I never said that I want to play against shit players (even though playing against shit players gives you a rush and makes you feel like you’re unstoppable, that’s where CoD is most fun). I said that I don’t want to get melted by BAL-27’s and ASM1’s in every lobby. OH WAIT, that IS every lobby!

CoD is a Casual Twitch Shooter. That is an irrefutable fact. It is an easy ass game that’s easy as hell to pick up and play, hell, the Singleplayer is linear as fuck, holds your hand, and pretty much plays FOR you.

I couldn’t care less about anybody’s stats, because it’s a fucking video game. But I paid my money, so I shouldn’t be forced to play in a shitty algorithm that the developers refuse to fix for no rational reasoning. And I’m not 14 years old and not in school. You’re obviously a 12 year old brat troll who would probably defend the pile of shit that was Ghosts.

It IS a legitimate reason to get it removed. What’s YOUR reason to NOT get it removed, you ignoramus? Fact; SBMM shouldn’t exist at all whatsoever because it brings competitive rules to public matches (which the franchise is CASUAL), fucks up the connections, and gets rid of player variety entirely. Old CoD’s matchmaking algorithms (on LAST GEN FUCKING HARDWARE, mind you) far exceed that of Advanced Warfare’s.

What I have been saying is fact and is irrefutable, fanboy. Oh wait! The truth doesn’t sit well with you kids.

bird

Call of duty ladies and gentlemen. where anybody who likes the game is a fanboy, and where anyone who wins is a tryhard. this franchise will be extinct in 2 years because of cancerous faggots like yourself. as you can see by my picture i’m a 30 year old adult, and i’m not surprised someone as young, uneducated, and immature as yourself can’t understand the complete idiocy of the statements you make and the logic (or lack thereof) behind them

bird

people saying cod is a “casual” game is teenagers jargon for “i want to win at the game, but don’t want to have to try to win, it should be given to me”

grow up

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

Shut the fuck up.

CoD is a Casual game. That is a fact. Get the fuck over it.

bird

ah yes… i just looked at the cover. it actually says Casual of Duty, and the instruction manual specifically says “don’t try too hard, you will make the youngsters angry”

should have read the instruction manual first. my apologies for trying so hard sir.

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

You are a fucking idiot.

bird

welp, we’ve reached the lowest common denominator. no argument, just name calling and obscenities…. congrats dude you made it!!

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

Says the fanboy who hasn’t been able to grasp what the definition of an argument is, moment of silence for you

bird

teenager jargon for:

“you made a good point but i dont want to admit it so ill curse at you”

“Cod is too hard and i want it to be easy. that’s a fact. more obligatory obscenities”

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

You haven’t made a single point. I have. All you did was be a biased fanboy riding Activision.

CoD is a casual game made to be easy. That’s a fact.

bird

“CoD is a casual game made to be easy. That’s a fact.”

you seem confused as to what “fact” means. The Patriots won the 2015 super bowl… that is a fact. a squared plus b squared = c squared. that is a fact.

what you are stating is an opinion (and a ridiculously stupid one at that)

Now you are entitled to your opinion that CoD should be easy, but it is most certainly not a fact.

bird

if the argument for SBMM is so that “noobs can get better by playing better players”, then all the good players should be against it right? because by playing crappy players, your skill would decrease thus making you worse right? that is what you are concerned about right, helping everyone get better?>??

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

Where are your arguments? All I see are excuses.

Noobs just want to have fun. But noobs in CoD are a rarity these days. Doesn’t mean they have to add SBMM so the decent players like me suffer.

bird

you do understand that kill/death ratio is a zero sum game right? im guessing you probably don’t so let me explain. every time you kill somebody, they get a death. this happens literally every time there is a kill. in fact there are also suicides. so the collective k/d/ of everyone playing cod combines is less than 1. now you are saying that as a “Decent” player you are suffering by having to play other “Decent players” that is a joke. what is happening here, is since you can’t lobby shop and purposely play inferior players every game, you are seeing your k/d ratio regress back to where it actually should be based on your skill. Its a harsh fucking reality i know, but it’s the truth. instead of bitching about wanting to play shittier players, why don’t you grow a fucking pair of nuts and beat the players you get to play against… that’s what everyone else is doing

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

No, everyone else has quit the game and have moved on to better games.

All you’re doing is making up bullshit excuses. K/D is an irrelevant stat and DOES not justify how good or bad you are at the game. Even if that was the case, who fucking cares? That’s why I’m against Skill-Based Matchmaking; nobody should care how good or bad you are at a fucking VIDEO GAME.

bird

if you don’t care then you would be neither for or against sbmm. in fact if you don’t care about skill, then you should be actually in favor of removing score entirely. don’t count wins or losses, kills or deaths, no stats at all.. that way nobody has to worry about skill right? i assume based on that comment that you would be ok with this, because again, your words, “nobody should care how good or bad you are at a fucking VIDEO GAME”

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

Yes, I’d be in favor of removing calculated stats, because it makes the game campy.

bird

so you would still play and enjoy the game if there were no points, no kills, no deaths, no winning or losing teams, just 12 guys in a box killing each other for no discernable reason?

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

Did I say that? Wow you have me all figured out fanboy!

bird

right lol… the argument these fools are presenting doesn’t work the other way… it is secret code for “please god please remove SBMM so we can unfairly stomp on noob lobbies again so i can have my inflated k/d back without having to work for it”

bird

it never would happen. after a certain amount of time, your k/d will setttle in at an average of how good you are. with your logic then by CoD 30, we would all have 15 k/d ratios, and any rational person knows that isnt’ possible. you can get better by playing to a point, but everyone’s skill level is different. I could play as much as the best major league gamer does, and i would not have more than a 1.2 k/d maybe/ that is my ceiling. To think that crappy players will improve less by playing other crappy players, than by getting stomped and going 3/10 every game is literally the dumbes thing i have ever heard

Well said sir.. Inb4 easy-mode-seekers throwing idiotic arguments on you 🙂

LovekillerX

I agree with you. It totally makes the game fair for all of us. Of course pro players will say that “how this is fair to us, we can’t feast and spawn trap now!” But also you have to notice bad players. This way you will see if you are truly skilled or not. I can imagine every so called pro player come here to disagree with you and say that you’re just noob which should go to play against bots.

I also love SBMM. I’m being protected by SBMM and I get players who got same skill level as I do. I haven’t got any lag and I have been playing against people from Sweden, Russia, Italy, Greece, France and Germany. Even from Turkey – without any single lag. I have been enjoying from this game from the beginning. 🙂

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

“Fair”? Fuck being “fair”! Life isn’t fair. “Fair” isn’t the definition of balance. Gaming was never about fairness. And “pros” are assholes. That’s all there is to it. I would know, I’ve dealt with them on multiple occasions.

SBMM doesn’t “protect” the majority. In my experience, I have to use the BAL and ASM1 over everything else, because that’s all what other people are using. If SBMM was removed and the game was more balanced, it’d be a lot more fun. For me, fun is a rarity in AW. I want to like it, but Sledgehammer is far too blinded by competitive (inb4 Public Matches weren’t made to be competitive, SBMM and Sledgehammer saying that AW was built from the ground up for competitive completely debunks this).

LovekillerX

Go back to Black Ops 2 which some of you really praise. David Vonderhaar is our god! Black Ops 2 was full pile of **** and nothing else. I got hammered in every_single_match by sweaty tryhards who are now whining how it is unfair to get their butts kicked. Oh the sweet sails of irony.

Serious note: play something else if this game doesn’t please you. It pleases me and many other casual players who are now being protected by sweaty tryhards. Nobody points a gun towards you so you don’t have to play AW.

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

I don’t praise Black Ops 2. I think it is quite a flawed game, actually. More flaws than Advanced Warfare. At its core, without SBMM and quite a bit of weapon tweaks, Advanced Warfare is better than Black Ops 2.

That’s not what gaming is about. It’s about fun, not getting destroyed every game. You may think Advanced Warfare and its shitty algorithm is “fun”, but I have a different view. It needs to be tweaked before I think it’s an above-average Call of Duty (it’s not even technically CoD). I also got destroyed on Black Ops 2.

I’m tired of these excuses, from a biased CoD fan… “Just play a different game!” doesn’t fix it and won’t stop me from playing. “Protected by sweaty tryhards?” Elaborate. If you’re saying that you’re not that great at the game, then play Combat Readiness. If you’re saying that you’re an amazing player, go to Ranked. SBMM should not exist period. The game already has options!

LovekillerX

It isn’t an excuse. It is truth. You can go play another game if you want. Nobody makes you play AW. Also I’m tired of these sweaty tryhards who want to whine every minute. I’m also tired to hear “hey go to combat readiness if you suck!” because it is also an excuse. Maybe these tryhards should go to play combat readiness program because it seems like if they are being destroyed, they’re not really good as they thought.

It is easy to say “I’m skilled” when you go 80-5 in Black Ops 2 Nuketown. Now that game really puts players to test we can see who are truly skilled and who aren’t. Those sweaty tryhards can’t accept the truth that now they can be destroyed too.

I tried Ranked and guess what? It doesn’t include modes which I want to play. Also there are so many tryhards that I want to avoid Ranked as much as possible. I have seen too many “pro players” and that is why I want to play normal playlists – sometimes I get nice stats and sometimes I get hammered by other players. It is nice to have some change in your matches because it also allows you to get better when you have slightly better opponents.

I keep saying this: go to play another Call of Duty or even another game if this game doesn’t please you. I think that casuals (big part of the fan base) is happy about SBMM and that is why you won’t see happy people telling how great SBMM is. That also causes the illusion about everyone telling SBMM is BS because only whiners are voicing their opinion.

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

It’s not truth. It’s an excuse. You’re seeking to justify a broken game that you like and are biased of. Your logic is baffling. I bought the game, so it should work. I shouldn’t be forced to play Combat Readiness when I’m already good at the game. Combat Readiness was put in for noobs, not veterans. Seeking to excuse SBMM is downright ludicrous. I get destroyed when I’m playing because I’m not rightfully getting in lobbies against various 1-2 KD players, with terrible net coding, as well.

Who gives a shit about skill? Your skill level in a Casual Shooter is irrelevant. I couldn’t care less how good or bad you are. We’re all in it to have fun. Now, if you worry about skill, play Counter-Strike, as that is a competitive game. Call of Duty is not.

That’s the exact reason why I’m avoiding it. It’s there for the tryhards, in which you completely misunderstood why I brought it up; SBMM should not be in Public Matches, it should STAY in Ranked Play! Hell, Ranked Play shouldn’t even exist, and Call of Duty isn’t even a competitive game. As for getting better, again, it’s a Casual Shooter, in which I’ve been playing for 7-8 years. I don’t need to get better. That’s a pretty crappy excuse.

I paid my money, I should get all of the benefits, but SBMM ruins that for me. Telling me to “play another game” is simply dodging the issues that Advanced Warfare has, and, well, dodging my arguments. I hear the same excuse over and over again. Truth is, is that SBMM should have been patched out on day one (or day ZERO). Casual players like F1stdacuffs are NOT happy about SBMM. Period. Casuals are voicing their opinions, too. Fact is, is that you are in a minority who likes SBMM.

LovekillerX

Okay thanks for the proof you provided (sarcasm) and making conclusion that every casual don’t like SMBB because some random “known” guy says so.

Also I would like to see you looking your way how you talk to people. I see you telling people to f*ck off because they say some “irrelevant arguments” when you simply could say “I disagree” and then provide some evidences and arguments and talk like an adult.

Nvm. Keep your opinion, I keep mine.

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

I’m sure you’ve provided proof. /s Casuals don’t like SBMM, most posts I’ve read in social media despise SBMM and agree that it ruins the game. Advanced Warfare is one of the worst Call of Duties ever made.

Fanboying over Call of Duty MUST be “adult-like”, right?

bird

“Advanced Warfare is one of the worst Call of Duties ever made”

then quit playing it god damnit. fucking hell

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

Don’t tell me what to do. Quit excusing a broken game.

bird

” I should get all of the benefits, but SBMM ruins that for me. ”

and lack of SBMM ruins it for way more. quit whining and accept that you are at best an average player, and focus on winning your matches, instead of obsessing over how “unfair” it is that you have to play the “tryhards” all the time or whatever

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

LOL what?! SBMM wasn’t significant until BO2, and then it was taken out. The older CoDs were fine then.

Don’t tell me what to do. I can complain because I paid my money. Just like how you have the right to complain just as much. You say SBMM is all fair and balanced, but when I play against various 1.1/1.2/1.3 etc. players, it’s the complete opposite. What a stupid troll you are…

bird

so let me get this straight.. you are bad enough to have a sub-1 k/d? i mean that must be what you are saying if you say it isn’t fair for you to play people like me who have a 1.1 k/d. It sounds very much like your ass is fucking chapped because you are shit at this game, and your logical way to change that is not to get better at the game, but to bitch at developers to give you shittier competition. sounds pretty sane to me lmao

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

I am barely below 1.1. It’s at 1.09.

It’s because I’m shit at the game? NO. It’s because I’m playing against players who abuse the 2 overpowered weapons, shitty spawns, and shitty net-coding. It’s funny how many of my shots don’t register on my enemy, even though my sights are directly on them and hitmarkers are showing up, only for me to get melted by an ASM1.

Call of Duty isn’t a competitive game. Counter-Strike is a competitive game. Call of Duty is a casual game built every since the first entry to be easy to pick up and play. It’s always been about sitting back, relaxing, and not having to focus too much. With SBMM, I can’t have that.

Advanced Warfare is Titanfall with Call of Duty slapped in the title to sell well.

I would be perfect if it weren’t for the GAME screwing me. get a life man

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

You get a life, kid.

Yes, it’s the GAME’s fault because SBMM made it broken. Get educated, you fanboy.

bird

Brb… changing my username to fanboy. Here we are in 2015 where if you dont “hate the game yet still play 6 hours a day”, you are a fan boy

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

You’re a fanboy because you excuse bullshit. I recommend you look up the definition of a fanboy before you defend yourself.

bird

“That’s not what gaming is about. It’s about fun, not getting destroyed every game”

yet here you are complaining about getting destroyed every game by asm1 sweaty tryhards whatever the fuck that means

bird

You are so salty about life is not fair blah blah, and really you are just shitting your britches since you cant stomp public noob lobbies anymore..

long story short, you are complaining that it’s not fair, because they made it more fair… you;re a moron

:edit: if you’re mad you have to use the ASM1 or BAL then the problem you have isnt with SBMM at all it is gun balanceing right>?

bird

you are exactly spot on. bravo to you sir. listen to this man youngsters, he is wise

QuickzZ-_-GhosT

I disagree.New players will never get better playing against other noobs. They need to feel destroyed,rekt hell they need to know how it feels to be weak.Only then they will want to get better by practising.I started playing COD in 2013 with MW2 and I got destroyed in every single match but with my devotion and my need of getting better got my 2 k/d on ghosts and my 1.81 k/d in AW.But if I started playing COD in 2014 with AW I would probably still be a noob.

Juses

Why did you play mw2 in 2013 as your first cod?

QuickzZ-_-GhosT

Funny story.In june of 2013 I was tired of playing the same games over and over so I checked my shelf and there it was : a 4 year old MW2.My father bought the game in 2009 with my ps3 and in a space of a month I finished the campaign.Only 4 years later I found out there was an online multiplayer.So I tried it out and got addicted.So there it is : my first COD multiplayer experience was in a 4 year old broken and hacked game.

GinsuVictim

Hell, my first CoD was Cod4:MW in 2013. I then bought them all, so Ghosts was my first time playing with a team and getting better.

jooker-jr

Although I understand your point, but the about those 40 and 30 years old people who simply don’t have time to play the game ( since they are most of the players in cod ), no one will invest time trying to learn a new game.

Get better

What pretentious, arrogant nonsense. It’s like there’s an attitude whereby hardcore players see themselves as some kind of jedis, where only they are capable of teaching the noob how to play.

And if you still believe that nonsense, then enjoy your medicine – you’re not going to get better by playing noobs.

QuickzZ-_-GhosT

So you think new players will get better by battling other noobs ? You re the one who said it “you re not going to get better by playing noobs”.I don t see myself as an MLG player and I also dont feel like Yoda by destroying other people .And yes I still believe new players get better by facing random people because if they play with people with similar skill what s the point of getting better ?

Get better

Not at all – that’s why I said take your own medicine! Players get better by playing the game – yes, simply by playing people of their own ability.

As they slowly get better, so does their competition, and so gradually lift their game.

What you suggest is to stick a day one boxer in the ring with Mike Tyson. Do you really think this is the way to learn how to box? Or do you think the guy should build up gradually through amateur opponents until he is good enough to face the pro’s?

QuickzZ-_-GhosT

IMHO I think players get better by facing random people.A little challenge there so they can get an objectif (which is getting better ) but also playing with less skilled people so they don t feel bad about themselves.What I m basically trying to say is there has to be a balance : playing with stronger people so you actually have a challenge but also playing with weaker people as a way of practicing.It s basically what you said.

Get better

You’ve also just described my experience of SBMM – I can come anywhere from bottom to top in a game. Usually I guess I’m just above middle though, so for me it works very well.

That looks strange, i think I may have replied to the wrong comment. 🙂

bird

so wouldn’t it hurt better players to play random people? because by your logic, as an above average player, you would get worse playing against randoms (lesser competition). so you should actually be more in favor of SBMM then right? oh what? no its only fair if the noobs have to get their ass pounded while you mop up with them… i get it now

bird

i swear you are the only other rational person here lol

cheers!

Get better

You should speak with my partner. She thinks I’m crazy now I own this game on PC and the xbox one lol.

bird

your stupidity amazes me. you go play lebron james one – on – one for 2 hours and tell me how much your basketball skill has magically increased. that’s why local youth league puts 1st graders vs high schoolers right? cant get better if you arent’ playing the best!!!

jesus christ gtfoh

QuickzZ-_-GhosT

I m sorry if I wasn t clear it s my fault.My pount is in order to get better you shouldn t play with noobs all the freakin time.You should also face stronger people because THEN you might have an objectif.It s just this.I m sorry if I spread it with false meanings.

bird

you understand that SBMM places you with people that are both worse and better than you. so if you are a noob with a 0.5. k/d you will play people between a 0.3 and 0.8 or so give or take. so as you play people that are that much better than you, wyou will start to see your k/d rise./ then you will start playing people with even better k/d’s and so on and so forth. if people with bad k/d’s play eachother, eventually half of those people will see their’s go up, thus they will play better players. the system is logically perfect, and fair. I just find it so laughable that these so called “great players” are against SBMM becuase “its not fair to the noobs, they would really benefit by getting stomped by me, they;l learn faster that way” i mean come on, that is ridiculous

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

We’re not stating that we want to face noobs. We don’t want to get our asses kicked in every game for no reason. That is NOT fun.

Get better

But you shouldn’t be getting your ass kicked in every game, unless you’re really bad and SBMM can’t find anyone of you’re ability.

In that case, just count yourself lucky that SBMM does the best it can for you 😉

What on earth are you laughing at? Are you seriously sat there laughing your ass off?

It is absolutely a casual game! That is why the 90% of people who actually, you know, treat it as such are being protected from hardcore players.

The funny thing is, I’ve not heard a single casual player say, hey, I’m fed up of this game being fair, I want hardcore players to come and stomp all over me.

The problem you have is you’re taking a casual game too seriously. sit back, stop trying so hard, play CASUALLY, and let SBMM do it’s thing, and you will have the games you want.

Of course if you stop playing casually, and go all, erm, sweaty, then of course you will get matched with your own kind. Think of SBMM as a mirror of your own play.

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

Yes, because you’re ignorant.

Funny you say that, because I play “hardcore” players all the time, and I’m not “protected” by anything.

Games aren’t about being fair. That’s never what Call of Duty was about.

Really? You’re telling me, as a Casual CoD player (because I have to be), I have to adapt to SBMM? Fuck off, please. SBMM adds anything BUT Casual qualities to the game.

I have a 1 KD. You face tryhards in this game at that very ratio, because they were ex-2 KD players, thanks to this VERY flawed algorithm.

Get better

“Funny you say that, because I play “hardcore” players all the time, and I’m not “protected” by anything.”

But you are – hence your 1 KD!

“Games aren’t about being fair. That’s never what Call of Duty was about.”

Yes they are – you’re getting confused with life.

“Really? You’re telling me, as a Casual CoD player (because I have to be), I have to adapt to SBMM? Fuck off, please. SBMM adds anything BUT Casual qualities to the game”

Unless you’re suggesting the Developers, game and player base should adapt to you, then yes, that’s exactly what you need to do!

May I ask why you think SBMM is in the game? Don’t give me a ridiculous response, give me an honest, intelligent and considered answer.

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

“But you are – hence your 1 KD!” WHAT?! Elaborate. Please.

“Yes they are – you’re getting confused with life.” Multiplayer isn’t supposed to be fair. If you want fairness, you’re playing the wrong game. You’re looking for the term “balanced”, in which the word “fair” is not associated with it.

“Unless you’re suggesting the Developers, game and player base should adapt to you, then yes, that’s exactly what you need to do!” Enough with the excuses. CoD is not a competitive game, and it will never be. SBMM should have always been in Ranked Play. Your logic is leaning more towards fanboyism than anything.

It’s simple; I have a few theories on it, but there are a couple of ones that I think are strong. Sledgehammer built Advanced Warfare’s Multiplayer entirely with competitive in mind, look it up. They stated it on their Twitter. AND Michael Condrey blocked me on Twitter because (even though I only mentioned him and was talking to someone else). In short, SBMM is in the game because Sledgehammer wanted the game to be more competitive, which kills the fundamentals that made Call of Duty what it is; a Casual Twitch Shooter that’s easy to pick up and master.

bird

for “not a competitive game” you sure seem awful butthurt about not being a 2.0 k/d player anymore. sounds like it is a competitive game to you, you are just salty that you aren’t as good as you thought you were

bird

so it turns out that AW has actually exposed you for what you are… NOT a 2 k/d player. but just an average dude

bird

you are average!! congrats!. and guess what… SBMM matches you with just as many 0.8 guys as it does 1.2’s if you can’t beat them, then eventually you’ll get knocked down low enough to play some guys your own skill and you can maybe win half of them then

bird

so how do you think the noobs feel in every game then???? hahaha you just refuted your own argument. If you are playing against other good players, just prove you are better by beating them, not by begging for shittier competition

bird

i have never in my life read a dumber assortment of words

ccrows

“Also now you can’t say SBMM is cause to lag”

^ I respected your opinion till I got to there. BS!

Please tell me why I still get put in lobbies with people from Europe and South America when I live in Chicago?

I have great internet from Comcast. I play on a wired connection. I have all my ports properly set up. Please tell me why I didn’t have to deal with any of this BS before since well BO2 at launch (which ironically they used the same SBMM system).

Matchmaking should be based on connection, and nothing else!…

Guywithbrains

I have played against people from across the globe but still no lag for some odd reason.

Also based on Condrey’s words it is based on connection.

Inb4 he is a liar!

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

Yes, Condrey is lying. The matchmaking process is NOT the same as in other Call of Duties. It is based on skill, and ping is an afterthought. Otherwise, it wouldn’t have WORSE connections now than Black Ops 2’s launch.

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

-Gaming is not about what’s fair and what’s not. That’s not what balance is. -In a Casual Shooter? Who cares about skill? Play Ranked. -They should play Combat Readiness. That’s why it was put in. -So I don’t lose most of my objective games? I get garbage teammates and tryhards on the enemy team all the time. The algorithm is messed up.

Yes, we’re all sweaty tryhards, and I’ve admitted that about myself in the past. BUT, that doesn’t mean that I have to play against sweaty tryhards. In my subjective view (since fun is subjective), playing on a competitive level is the complete opposite of fun, especially since every Call of Duty, from the first to the original Black Ops, SBMM wasn’t nearly as big of an issue, because those games stuck to what Call of Duty always was; a Casual, FUN Twitch Shooter.

Your personal experiences are irrelevant, even though I’m a douche for saying that. You are more than likely lying. Even if you weren’t, that doesn’t mean that the THOUSANDS if not MILLIONS of people, such as Ap0col1pse, aren’t experiencing it.

And no, I’m not saying to play against noobs. I’m saying that I don’t want to play against players of equal skill as me in every lobby. In MY subjective point of view, it is not fun, therefore I play Advanced Warfare less than any CoD, because I can’t take the rage. I’ve already broke a stool, and nearly broke my PS4 controller on multiple occasions. And I don’t “need to improve”, because I’ve been playing every single Call of Duty since the 4th entry, in which every CoD since has been a reskin of.

Skill-Based Matchmaking is a parasitic disease in Public Matches, factually speaking. It kills everything that made Call of Duty what it was. Call of Duty has never been about competition, that’s what Counter-Strike was made for.

Guywithbrains

I respect your opinion.

Well if SBMM would leave what would make sure that I won’t end up being spawn trapped by wannabe pros with the most used guns every match? So far SBMM has saved me from that crap I had to experience in MW3 and Black Ops 2.

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

MW3 and Black Ops 2’s algorithms (at least after BO2’s SBMM removal patch) were the same as every other Call of Duty (except their connections sucked). I experience the same thing on Advanced Warfare.

What you explained is the EPITOME of what Advanced Warfare is. People use the best weapons in the game (*COUGH* here’s where competitive comes in!) and you face tryhards every match.

Are you a noob at the game? Getting destroyed made me get better at the game. Now, I don’t need to improve, and thanks to the newcomers to CoD, I am the one who’s suffering, ow.

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

now* not ow lol

bird

“-Gaming is not about what’s fair and what’s not. That’s not what balance is. ”

that is EXACTLY what balance is. That’s why they don’t have major league baseball teams playing college or rookie league teams. that’s why high school has varsity and jv. it is the definition of balance.

by you saying gaming isn’t about what’s fair, you are openly admitting, its only “fair” to you when you can prey on bad players, but you get your panties in a wad when you play other players like yourself because *gasp* you aren’t as superior as you thought when playing against other capable players

The funniest thing you said: “Yes, we’re all sweaty tryhards, and I’ve admitted that about myself in the past. BUT, that doesn’t mean that I have to play against sweaty tryhards.”

that;s like Michael Jordan saying, “yeah i’m the best, but just because i’m the best doesnt mean i shouldnt get to ball on the special olympics team”

guest

“it really shows who is true man and got skill” quite the opposite really because one player could be playing against horrible players because they are also horrible and they go 20 and 10 and a good player could be playing against other good players and go 20 and 10. You would think that the skill of the players would be the same based on the statistics but one player is reasonably better than the other. this essentially makes any kind of statistic pointless unless you knew the circumstances behind the statistic… thank you sbmm for ruining everything.

Jippy

I’m still waiting for an actual connection fix. The most I can get is a 3 bar and everyone I play is from the UK. (I live in Canada) I never have that issue with other games, but I guess that just means Sledgehammer doesn’t want me to play.

Yes of course noob-pwning youtube clowns don’t like it. Anyway. While I love playing against good people, SBM on PC means I am getting same lobbies over and over again. Is game laggy ? No problem brochacho, we put you into same fucking lobby you were in before a while ! So.. IN the end.. We all have our reasons to hate it.

bird

yeah but that’s more because the microscopic amount of players playing on PC

This thing won’t last long.. Majority of CoD players are weak mentally and unable to play against team with same skill. The amount of games when enemy team rage quit right as my team got the edge, this amount is infinite ladies & gentlemen !

I think the thing a lot of people are upset about is, what’s the point of incorporating SBMM when there’s Ranked Play

bird

ranked play is to simulate MLG style gaming, and is limited to a very specific format with specific rules. I should be able to play a fairly matched even game of competitive hardcore team deathmatch. i shouldn’t be forced to play core objective game modes 4v4 just to play with people of my own skill. There simply is no defense against SBMM besides wanting to get free kills off of playing shitty players. there just isnt any other reason why you wouldn’t want it

Mark

First off, where do you get that the MAJORITY of CoD players are mentally weak, if even a small amount? The fight to get rid of SBMM isn’t because people are physically/mentality unable to play against players of similar skill, its that new players that barely know how to play the game will be paired up with other players that barely know how to play and will only become better at the game to a ceetan extent. Other players, like me, can’t play casually because of SBMM. Lastly, the amount of games where the other team rage quits can’t be infinite. It just can’t. I’ve (rarely) played games of Domination where my team has won 200 to 50 and it may be 6v4 or 6v5, but never anything below 6v3.

What you’re smoking brah ? Coz I want that shit too.. What are you trying to say anyawy ?

guest

im trying to say that arguing for sbmm is a completely ridiculous idea and i am proving why while you well i dont know what your doing. maybe you really are trying to prove to others why sbmm isnt bad but then i guess its just a really awful attempt

guest

In fact judging from the simple conclusion that slowly you get less satisfaction out of a kill you must get more kills in a game to gain the same amount of satisfaction. since you are for sbmm that means you are for less kills because you cant get as many kills against people with the same amount of skill that you have. because of this you obviously have not gotten as many kills as veteran. And in conclusion… you ready for this… ur bad

First grade math OK. Deduction eh, not OK. Logic awful ! Get some name if you wanna speak to me, brah.

guest

just another horrible argument you should just stop

bird

umm… yes. it is a game which is supposed to be competitive. if it wasn’t supposed to be competitive then why do they keep score? why is there a winner and loser? why keep stats at all? if it is just for casual fun let’s do away with score, kill, deaths, the whole shabang.

guest

o boy your one of those people here it would take weeks for me to explain this to you so just watch this i guess…

I can tell it by reading how everybody is crying about SBM. SBM is great thing and I hope it becomes new standard in CoD. Have a nice day !

bird

AHAHAHA! this guy saying that sbmm needs to be removed “for the little guys” lmao yes we believe you are really concerned about the skill development of new players being hindered by not playing against above average players. GTFOH with that nonsense

Dave

You’re not a casual player. Casual players are the guys SHG is trying to protect with SBMM. Casual doesn’t mean, “I don’t get paid to play, I just wanna take advantage of bad players.” Casuals are people who rarely play. Most people opposing SBMM play at least to 8th prestige in every COD game. That’s not hardly casual.

jooker-jr

For “hardcore” players SBMM is not fun, it removes the fun, it’s sweaty Etc…

But let’s look at it for the view of casual players ( most of cod players ), none of them will spend his/her limited time trying to learn the exo movement, how to use it, best setups etc… And at the same time getting destroyed by people like me and you who play cod like 30 hours a week!

I don’t know about other people, but now I don’t notice SBMM, some matches I get to the top of the board, some times the exact opposite.

It the beginning I noticed SBMM but now because I really don’t care about unlike previous cods ( I play with crazy setups like pistol only and the same result happens to me, some times at the top, some times at the bottom )

Like what they said, make AW SBMM free for one week and let’s see what happens ( the have about 9 months till the next game )

My opinion on is that I personally don’t notice it, if they removed it then good, if not then I don’t really care.

Noobs have Combat Readiness to get better, plus, noobs these days are very scarce. So you’re saying they have to ruin it for the majority, the Veterans, who have been playing the game for 7-8 years, like me?

I don’t get it, what exactly is ruined for you ? That you play against same level of skill ? I think that’s great. Or am I missing something ?

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

I’m not playing against 1.05 KD players, though, am I? I’m playing against a variety of players; 1.0, 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, etc. The thing is, is that many 2 KD players (like myself) have had their KD lowered into the 1’s, so I’m pretty much playing against decent enemies (but somehow have shitty teammates, how does that work?).

Playing against players of equal skill in a Casual game? Okay. Not. This isn’t Counter-Strike.

bird

sounds like you just aren’t as good as you thought you were, and your “2 k/d ratio” was inflated by you playing against shitty people.

just admit you really only want smbb removed so you can destroy bad players occasionally to artificially inflate your kd and feel better about your poor little self

SolidSnake

You said you have like a 1.0 kdr. So I get your point of how people that are 2kdr players are just butthurt they gotta play equal skilled players…However, you’re clearly just happy about SBMM because your butthole isn’t getting destroyed by those 2kdr players so how are you any better? You’re no better at all, you’re just happy SHG saved your noob ass from getting dominated every game. You probably loved Dead Man’s Hand and Support from MW3 didn’t you. I bet you probably hate when jocks come around your girlfriend because you know they’ll take her from you geek. [email protected]

bird

I have a worse KDR in AW than i have had in the past. If anything, SBMM is going against my kd as well. Believe me i have gotten destroyed in AW just as much as i have in previous games. my k/d is about 0.1 lower than normal in this game. Not complaining about it though! the games i’ve played have been much more exciting on average. The rest of the garbage you typed doesn’t make a damn bit of sense. But at least you admitted that the main reason these “2+ k/d” people (in quotes because they obviously really aren’t that good) is that they can’t maintain their stupid high k/d that made them feel so good about themselves in the past

guest

and thats why we still have SBMM because people like you “dont get it” Pro/veteran or even just decent players realize that the kill itself is completely pointless since most kills in cod are in fact free kills based on the weapon/map design. and because of this, good players like us get little to no rush or sense of accomplishment in cod. but getting lots of kills and destroying the competition gives us all a huge ego boost thus making the game enjoyable. cod is not meant to be competitive because the game severely lacks in a skill gap and replay ability but sbmm is all about competitiveness.

Maybe some day you get proper skill and stop being a spoiled brat.. Then you will understand, what is SBMM about. Pro/veteran/decent player my ass LMAO!

guest

how bout you actually come up with a decent argument back either than that i am bad then ill take your stupid ass opinion into consideration. i post common sense and explain you just spew your bad as if it is a good comeback.

I haven’t seen a decent argument against SBMM. Oh guess what I already posted decent one right on this page, except it was PC specific issue.

guest

I have already stated an argument above…however if you dont think that my argument was decent enough well then yours is miles behind mine. just stating that people who dont like sbmm are bad isnt an argument, almost all players that are good realize that the kill itself is really easy (all this is pertaining to public matches) so easy that it seems free so good players get enjoyment out of more kills so it is more satisfying. so basically mostly good players are against sbmm

bird

that is the saddest thing i’ve ever read. might as well go to play paintball and play against the trees. you will always win

guest

well you do like it obviously because you deny the simple truth and worship every horrible decision by these developers.

Cod is popular because of its simplistic gameplay and because everyone can feel like a bad ass but the reason sbmm was implemented was because of the bad players complaining that they were getting crushed so now instead of the large sum of bad players having a bad time every once in a while now everyone has to have a very sub par time thanks to the bad player. ultimately the devs are stuck and they cant do anything about it unless they completely rethink the cod formula.

bird

no, he is the one who is missing something. you are exactly right

guest

No instead of being obviously vague how bout you tell me what i am missing because so far you two fan boys have stated nothing that actually helps your argument and more just say that we are wrong and bad with no further evidence smh.

bird

how the hell is it ruined? the mere fact you aren’t as good as you thought you were and can’t keep a 2 k//d because you are playing appropriate competition doesn’t mean it is ruined… just means you are a whiny baby

w

huh? thats exactly what happened when I was a newbie. I was gettig dry raped. However, I strived to get better because of that.

nope, just stating my opinion and rebutting, not crying about anything. but i do enjoy constantly getting matched up against real pros, i’m at least glad i get to see and play with/against them and that the game thinks im that good (which I dont believe to be true but its all cool)

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

If you support SBMM, then “Casuals” are irrelevant. SBMM is not a Casual algorithm.

That’s why Sledgehammer stated that they took a big risk with the development of Advanced Warfare and introducing the Exoskeleton. It’s not hard for people like me to master, in which it took me mere seconds to get used to the Exo movements. But I totally understand why Casuals wouldn’t like the Exosuit (especially since all of us playing CoD are Casuals).

The algorithm seems to be the same. Not all 1 KD players are good players. But some 1 KD players were ex-2 KD players, which is why we are being faced against such decent players, in my opinion (when you’re a 1 KD player like me, you’ll be up against players of a variety of KD ratios: 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, and so on, which is stupid). SBMM is very much so in the game, and it was never made more irrelevant.

9 months is not enough. It’s inexcusable. We’re now in February. They should have fixed it at launch. I’m going to take the rage until Black Ops 3 and will play Exo-Zombies to grip me. Other than that, Multiplayer is a travesty.

jooker-jr

I understand your point ( and I’m with you ) but imagine that you only have about 6 hours a week to play video games, you will not invest all your free time trying to learn cod aw ( yes it’s easy to learn but hard to master ).

I personally want it to be removed, but u have to think about the majority of the players ( which are probably causals like that ( I don’t have stats but it’s probably like that )) don’t have enough time to master the game.

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

I’m sure you’re well aware of the Classic playlist?

SBMM isn’t in use for the noobs. They have Combat Readiness. It’s to make Public Matches a Ranked style of play.

jooker-jr

But seriously, I will not buy a 60$ game to play against bots.

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

Did you not play the Campaign? Bots have existed since the dawn of gaming…

In all seriousness, I will not buy a $60 game to play against OpTic tryhards. This game is shit.

bird

lol this guy. “I will not buy a game for $60 where i can’t destroy people without trying”

go whine somewhere else or play the damn game

jooker-jr

What’s your K/D ?

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

1.09

jooker-jr

OK. We still have a long road till Treyarch title…

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

You’d think with my stats that I wouldn’t be hating on the game, but meh…

jooker-jr

Yeah :/

jooker-jr

If you have a high KD ( which is not important ) then people will consider you a “tryhard”

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

We’re all tryhards who don’t want to face other tryhards

bird

if you want to play worse players then why don’t YOU play combat readiness. I’m no noob but i’m a 1.1-1.2 k/d type player, have been for 6 years. no reason for me to be playing against guys with 2+ k/d or guys with 0.75 and below. that’s silly. stick everyone with players like them. makes for highly contested exciting games. Only fucking immature faggots have fun winning 75-10

bird

“a 1 KD player like me, you’ll be up against players of a variety of KD ratios: 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, and so on”

hey genius, you also will be matched with 0.9, 0.8, 0.7 and so on… sbmm doesnt just match you with players better than you, its players near your skill. if everyone would quit bitching and just play, you’d realize you can still win.. still have fun. maybe not win every game with a 30 kills 3 death score… that’s not how the fucking game was meant to be played anyway. The mere notion that a 1.5 k/d is bad is the cancer killing CoD.

bird

this is exactly the reason for SBMM. there is no reason to pull players randomly from all ends of the spectrum… tangent: this “sweaty tryhard” bullshit is a cancer for CoD and is 100% on the young generation. The whole “i dont want to play sweaty tryhards” is code for “i want to get into lobbies of shitstick players so i can get DNA bombs for my yootoob channel” If you don’t want to “try hard” don’t, but don’t expect to win often. Thats what you do to win in games and life and shit is try. FFS

Favorite Ape

Why have ranked play? This MUST be your first cod, right? “That’s what you do to win in games and life and shot is try”. That’s what SBMM removes for players. They don’t have to try to win against better players. Get you argument straight fanboy.

bird

you are joking right? i’ve played cod since cod4. ranked play is meant to simulate MLG rules. 4v4. core. objective game modes. restricted weapon classes. that is a bunch of bullshit. ranked play is to do exactly what it says it is.. get a ranking. and in AW you get some fancy ass cod piece or something too if you win. The argument you make works if you are talking about bad players trying to beat good players.. but the only people bitching are the so-called really good players. The whole thing the3y are bitching about is having to try and “win against better players” like you said. so based on your argument, if you are any good, you should be in favor of SBMM. otherwise you are a hypocrite

SolidSnake

You’ve been playing since COD4 and you’re still a 1.0 kdr player which doesn’t mean you are any less of a person but it means you’re average at best. All these games and you haven’t really improved. So you LOVE SBMM because now people can’t destroy you every game. I was with you calling out people not wanting to play comp…But then I realize you’re just a bad player glad that good players can’t feast on you anymore. That’s why you defend SBMM like it’s your child.

bird

no, my k/d has ranged from 1.1-1.25 in every cod besides modern warfare. you are suffering trying to understand that the average k/d in cod collectively is under 1. this is statistically true. I like sbmm because i get matched with people between 0.9 and 1.3 k/d or so. so there are people better than me, and people worse. sometimes i mop up. i’ve gone 29 kills 2 deaths before on AW, i’ve gone 8 kills 30 deaths before on AW. but it all evens out.

Again, since you are a legend in your own mind and not “average” but a god among mere mortals, you should be fine with playing among the other gods right? or is your status as an “above average player” dependent on your ability to lobby shop and play shitty guys all the time… that’s what your problem is with SBMM.. you are mad because you are matched with appropriate players instead of bobby’s kid brother who kills a guy 1 in every 5 matches. gtfoh

i defend SBMM because it is far more logical and even and fair, than just putting all the players in a pile and shitting everybody out in the same map. that doesn’t make any fucking sense

guest

Well the problem that your mind cant fucking wrap around is that SBMM doesnt work in cod. There is a reason why everyone liked SBMM in halo and not in cod. Lets fucking face it cod is not fun unless your doing good. Cod is the only game you can go positive and win but when the game ends you still feel mad and frustrated.

the kill is so undeniably pointless in cod because all it does is make someone have to loose their positioning but because of instant respond and because of the fast movement the people can just go right back to their spot in seconds. veterans realize it so in order to get more enjoyment out of the game they need to get more kills in the game to make up for the loss of enjoyment. It may sound pathetic and shallow by the players to have to beat up on the bad players to feel good but the game is just not enjoyable when your going fucking 22 and 12 especially to veterans like myself. The problem is not the people wanting to get more kills its the game.

bird

the game isn’t fun when you go 22 and 12? jesus H christ you are fucked in the head

Favorite Ape

Why can’t I play against better players? That’s how I got good in the first place. No noobs here or in previous games asking for SBMM. Only shills that are not noobs claiming they are really concerned about the noobs now. Veterans didn’t ask for it, noobs didn’t ask for it. Only a few ATVI shills saying they like it, but ONLY when it was already in the game and not before. The one thing EVERYONE complains about is connection and they don’t do anything about that. What a load. Keep peddling that crap because no one, not even the noobs are buying it.

bird

nobody i have ever played with or against in AW (besides the first week when it was actually terrible) has ever complained about the connection. maybe the super eltez pro 360nosopez faze mlg players are so skilled that there are so few players at the precipice of gaming that they have to find players in timbuktu to match them with, but for 95% of the players there is a massive pool of players to connect to. Most lag i’ve ever experienced in past games is because of stress on my own internet connection caused by other devices.

Bottom line is every year the hopeless CoD community finds something to grab on to to bitch endlessly about, and this year it is SBMM. Next year it will probably be something totally different, but people like you will still bitch and moan about something that is “not fair” and is making you lose more than you want. mark it down, because it happens like clockwork

Favorite Ape

Your lucky that you and your friends are so unskilled that you miraculously don’t have lag. It’s all over YouTube and my friends and everyone I know have bad lag. Then again we’re connecting with people on the other side of the globe and a lot of the time can’t even understand their language. Instead of begging for SBMM why don’t you just play bots until you you get better? You must have gotten trashed in the other COD’s without SBMM to prop you up. Why should the rest of the community have to pay for you being shit at the game?

jooker-jr

Yeah, while my K/D is lower in AW than previous cods ( 0.91 vs 1.5 ) I enjoy the a lot because I don’t take this game seriously like previous games.

shantzonpoint

They are right on many points. In older cods, I enjoyed running around with various weapons and being able to compete. I’m not the greatest player but I’m above average and for me to have a good round, I have to use the same loadout everybody else uses (ASM1/lightweight/toughness etc.) for most maps if I hope to go positive. I’d love to run around with a shotty but the skill level of my counterparts is good enough that I can’t ever get close enough to them for a shotty to be consistently effective. In older games I could do this. It is what it is so it’s up to me to adapt.

If the connections/netcode was good it would be one thing, but when you’re ahead or behind other players at the higher end of the skill level spectrum, it’s really obvious. The netcode/connections is a far bigger problem than SBMM in this game. I guess if they removed SBMM the poor netcode wouldn’t be as obvious is some instances.

Here are a few clips I recorded from this weekend alone that frustrates me about this game……

we can argue for gun balancing, but playing with people of like skill doesnt have anything to do with one weapon/class being more effective than others. what you are effectively saying, is you suck at using some guns, but you could win by using them when you played shitty players. people against SBMM this is their only legitimate reason for wanting it removed and it is an idiotic reason

shantzonpoint

I guess I could suck with some guns but my whole point was about weapons balancing. There is a reason 90% of players use the ASM1 or BAL. Running around with a shotty with poor range cannot compete against players of high skill with an ASM1, it just can’t. Maybe my skill level isn’t good enough but you don’t see to many shotguns (or any other guns for that matter) in the lobbies I play in. The HBR has made appearances since the last patch which is nice to see. Of course I could do better against bad players but thats irrelevant and I didn’t say anything to reflect that.

My comment regarding playing with less skilled players was to help hide the abysmal netcode this game has. I meant that in jest btw……..

bird

right.. like i said we can have a legitimate rational conversation about weapons not being balanced (i play hardcore mostly so i don’t worry about it too much, but can understand) ASM1 and BAL27 probably are the best. can’t compete with them with a pistol or shotgun (unless you play strictly in close quarters areas)

the point is people thinking getting rid of SBMM will absolve them from playing “sweaty tryhard lobbies full of ASM1 and BAL” is fucking ridiculous.. people will play with the best guns. again the only legitimate (albeit stupid) argument against SBMM, is that above average people want to artifically inflate their k/d stats by being matched with crappy players.

shantzonpoint

Yeah the whining about “sweaty tryhards” cracks me up because whoever calls people that, are one themselves…..lol.

SBMM is needed in this game more than any other cod because of the additional movement. Noobs wouldn’t enjoy this game at all if it was open matchmaking. I do get tired of going 24-15 most rounds. I have some better, some worse. But I do understand the need for sbmm.

Most people that gripe about it can’t take the hit to their ego. It becomes apparent very quickly that their skill sets are indeed very average and there are many players out there that are just as good or better than them.

bird

yep, you hit the nail on the head. the k/d’s are just regressing to the mean on this game which is where they should have been in the first place

Favorite Ape

Yeah, just ignore the crappy connection SBMM brings to the game cause you’ll lose that one every time. Must be why you don’t mention it as a “legitimate” argument. *smh

bird

i haven’t experienced hardly any connection issues since the first patch that came out around a week after launch. 1 out of 100 games might be laggy. Im playing the same game as everyone else, it is obviously something other than sbmm contributing to connection problems, otherwise everyone would be experiencing them.

Favorite Ape

Your one of the few that “claims” they hardly ever get lag. Overwhelming evidence is that there is substantial lag. Since they copy/paste the same net code every year it’s obvious that SBMM is the problem. Evidence also shows skilled players are being placed in lobbies continents away due to SBMM. A issue that was only experienced when SBMM was forced into the game. Pretty clear to everyone. Except for shills of the game, that is.

Terry

the off sniper shots are due to the stupidly incorrect kill cam. on the snipers screen he hit u properly. im sick off this kill cam shit. I reckon 90% of the hate toward snipers is due to this, makes people think its some kind of exploit.

shantzonpoint

I believe the vapor trail from the person that got killed (3rd person point of view) aren’t entirely accurate but the view from the snipers point of view is EXACTLY what happens. I snipe on certain maps as well so I know how much leeway snipers get in this game.

The one kill cam on riot was me shooting. I knew I missed to the right but it gave me the kill anyway.

I don’t mind the one shot kill. Even if it’s in the toe. But you should have to hit the person at least. These were just videos from last weekend. I have some that are far worse.

I think they purposely widened the hit detection for snipers because the speed of the game is so fast.

You tell me

This is just a quick question please answer properly not dumb answers banging on about what you favourite game was but what I want to know is: does anyone think call of duty can go back to how it once was like how big and popular it was back in the cod4-BO1 days like do you honestly think cod can be what it once was or is it a dieing franchise?

Also can you name any other gaming franchise which got worse each year with each release then got better to how it once was?

QuickzZ-_-GhosT

I don t think COD will ever be what it once was.These days there just too many people in youtube comment sections saying how the game sucks,so the next generation won t even touch it because it was influenced by the haters.Also this franchise got to the point where each game is 120 $ so…yeah.And honestly I can t think of a gaming franchise that got worse each year and then all of the sudden started doing success again since newer games within a similar genre will always show up and people these days just care about games with better graphics .

ben wills

well i mean aw has outsold cod4 probably, just the news hype aint as big

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

AW only has 5.8 million units sold, at least in America. CoD had over 10 million units worldwide. I wouldn’t know what the worldwide figures are, though, because Activision and Sledgehammer are too pussy to post NPD numbers.

THEAVENGER2015 .

0159 minutes ago

im glad theres skbmm no more of you shitty youtubers crapping on people that just got the game, if you so dam good play again players at your level not new players new to cod,reverse boosting are garbage at the game thats why they reverse boosting on twitch tv,im glad there banning people for that﻿ Reply ·

bird

preach brother!.. this guys gets it.

JDahn

skill based matchmaking sucks IMO.

ghosts sucks

I like it. Keeps the game fair and fun. The connection issue is my only problem. Maybe if they kept it regional it might improve

BradyAlucard[sillibk]

It ruined the game, Sledgehammer would be far less hated if they took it out and left it in Ranked.

Stefan Lang

Fucking bad. It’s okay to have mixed lobbies but playing clan after clan is fucking aids.

ben wills

required for ranked, AWFUL for public. you actually have to have some sort of mental deficiency to have it in public

Kyle G

How SBMM works for me in Advanced Warfare:

Finds a full 6 man party of sweaty tryhards

Finds 5 retards that act like they have never picked up a fucking controller Puts them on my team

Here’s the ultimate proof… I have 2.16 K/D, don’t know how I found these n00bs or how they ALL ended all on my team…break your limits Kyle and become OMA….

bird

we are all swimming in your tears

Inferno

Someone should start a petition to remove sbmm

Melchor

Skill-based matchmaking is here to stay so we all need to live with it. I know it gets difficult when you reach your peak KD but that’s how you further develop your skills. If you just want to “sit down and play some COD” I suggest you get together with your friends and form a clan and try to play together as much as you can. (The one with the lowest KD should initiate the party to get matched to easier pubs)

Favorite Ape

And that’s why the game will continue to have dismal sales and player count. Sounds like a winning ATVI statagy to me.

Really

when i need to reverse boosting or buy a scuf controller and a netduma to play cod, i think something is wrong!!

bird

you just wasted a shit ton of money then

and you are fucking moron for reverse cheating

GinsuVictim

Let’s examine who the idiot is here.

bird

are you insinuating that i am an idiot because I just play the game instead of spending $200 on a custom controller, $150 on a special router of some kind, and then spend 30 hours killing myself in game with hopes of getting matched with the worst players in the game consistently so i can feel good about my artificially high K/D?

GinsuVictim

No, I’m saying you read his post wrong.

HinoThatGuy

I got use to SBMM. And i will say it because no one else will. SBMM id going to stay for the rest of AW period. There isnt anything wrong with AW at all. I can’t believe all these people are just complaining about this game when we’ve had worse and I mean worse pickers can’t be choosers.

guest

first off thats not even how the saying goes its beggars cant be choosers. and if we paid for the damn game i think we should get what we want.

(p.s. since i know some smart ass is just gonna comment saying not to buy the game, no one will if sbmm stays)

bird

exactly./.. there is absolutely nothing wrong with matching players based on skill. just soils the panties of the ass hats that search for shitty lobbies to stomp

w

“there is absolutely nothing wrong with matching players based on skill” not exactly, what about connection? Not saying you’re bad, but you havent experienced extreme lag when theres only a very limited amount of players because of “higher skill” (if that makes sense)

d

thanks, i see you’re just out to “prove” your point. Either that or you’re trolling.

its Mark Lamia head of Treyarch studios going to give a presentation at D.I.C.E. about the development of the zombies franchise and how they have made it so successful in the past

Get better

Ooh, could be interesting. Will give it a go, thanks.

bird

it will be live streamed on twitch i think too. 10:45am pacific time

Slingshot // Twitch/iiillilili

This is what pisses me off the most about this game, the players….. KD doesn’t matter. I cant even count how many times ive joined games where i just get crapped on by bombers and warbirds for the last 3 minutes of a domination game…. or how many times i got 100+ kills on nuketown demolition. It’s all about being in the right place at the right time.

Tricky VIk

“It is more bad than good.”

Ghost

The funny thing is that I can play on Ghosts with less than 5K players and get better connection games than AW any day. Not saying that Ghosts was a good game but rather SH need to fix the matchmaking whether SBMM is the cause or not. At least if I’m playing against tryhards, give me proper hit reg (I have Fibre with 5-10 ping so its definitely AW)

MrGladiator20

Why care about stats. You are a prestige master and carry a 5.0 kd? Idgaf. Just play the game and have fun. However in my opinion you basically have to try in this game or you get wrecked because of SBMM. I liked playing against noobs. You could just screw around with your friends for example in blackops 2 I would get with friends and we would use only explosives, 2 guns with grenade launchers, lethals, etc and we would have fun doing it. Now it’s like ok We have to use the ASM1 or something like that in order to win. Also with the exos I know there is a playlist without exos but the maps are actually big if you don’t have an Exo and it almost plays like ghost. Exos make it a ton more competitive imo, they can be really fun to use but in SBMM you are always put in a lobby with everyone dashing the hell out of their exo.

SolidSnake

This is like a prize fight. In one corner you have the good players upset they can’t rape bad players like they used to…Other corner you have the noobs who love SBMM since now they can feel like a beast sometimes and not get destroyed on AW like every other game. SBMM is fine but removing it may make things more organic. You noobs that are happy you aren’t getting destroyed have selfish motives just like the people who want to destroy you have. You noobs don’t care about fair as much as not getting buttraped like always.

Favorite Ape

They should make a game mode that noobs can go to so they don’t get buttraped. Wait, they have one! It’s called playing against bots.

Brenden Lewis

Actually, it’s called Combat Readiness, which no one every uses because idk

Favorite Ape

Funny thing is NO ONE ASKED FOR SBMM. Not even the noobs. The only ones defending it are ATVI and fanboys.

Favorite Ape

25 minutes of guessing.

K

ALI-A REVERSED BOOSTED FAG

Factorial

Everyone Reverse Boosted To Get Gameplays ALI-A Did This And Got BANNED Ali-A Isn’t They Best Youtuber To A Example

Adan

why everyone showing off kd i bet everyones kd here is half of what there saying it is

hunter

Idk about you guys but lately I’ve been getting into really easy lobbies ever since the latest patch came out. Been going positive every match. Idk if it’s because I got better at the game, if they toned down SBMM or what but what about you guys? Do you guys feel like you’ve been getting into easier lobbies lately or is it just me?

Thedude

If Cod games had a superb connection with no lag compensation I would say yes. But no, the connection is soo bad you can’t even kill people of lesser skill at times so why bother with skill based matchmaking. The nfl does not have handicap’s so competitive gaming should not have a handicap such as lag compensation for any SKILL BASED play.

John

Why the hell am I a rank 11 being matched with everyone else in the game being prestiged, completely unfair