kinda jumping the gun aren't we ??<br><br>An Al Quada European cell has claimed responsibility but I think time is needed to sort it out and be CERTAIN.... speaking of crack and heads- the last "crack head" that reacted like you, got us into Iraq!! <br><br>IF - IF (can you see the IFs ??) Al Quada really did it THEN- HAD we stayed the course and done a thorough job of going after Al Quada world wide and getting Bin Laden this might have been averted !!<br>Ever think of that?? I didn't think you did - Mr. Reactionary<br><br>David (OFI)<br>

The only thing these terrorists have succeeded in doing is pi$$ing off the UK peoples. The place is not "burning in fear and terror", more like they're burning with rage. And I'll bet there's more than a few people there who would be happy to see the middle east change from an oil exporting economy to a glass exporting economy.<br><br>It doesn't matter if it was Al Qaida, The secret brotherhood of evil b@$tards and @$$holes, or Bob's band of happy terrorists. The Islamic fundamentalists are claiming responsibility and declaring it a success - seems to indicate that even if it wasn't Al Qaida, they're perfectly happy for other people to do their dirty work, and they believe they are at war with us, no matter how we feel about the situation. ObL has called this WW3.<br><br><br><br>We all do what we do for the same reason: because it seems like a good idea at the time.

_________________________I used to think it was terrible that life was unfair. Then I thought what if life were fair and all of the terrible things that happen came because we really deserved them? Now I take comfort in the general unfairness and hostility of the universe.

So we go off and wack some one - any one- ??<br><br>that's what W did with Iraq... couldn't find OBL so he just goes after someone else.<br><br>and why don't we have OBL ?? Did you ask yourself that ?<br><br>seems to me OBL is the REAL enemy and GW has FAILED us all by ignoring the DIRECT cause of 9/11 and instead went off half-cocked on some "convenient" scapegoat like Saddam !!<br><br>and Saddam was an excuse... an excuse to secure oil, an excuse to seek revenge, an excuse to secure a "power base" in teh Middle east under the misdirected guise of "freeing the Iraqi people"... for what ?? .. 3 years of carnage on the very people he says he went to save ?? ...can't you see the BIG LIE ??<br><br>come on Llewelyn, you're smarter than that- I know you are.<br>it's all a big Power Play to secure the ME and control the region.<br>for the Iraqi people? NO - OIL ! ...you don't build 14 permanent bases with the idea of withdrawing any time soon... look at the evidence.<br><br>David (OFI)<br>

The first question off the lips of most British people will not be "when are our troops coming home?" - it's gonna be "ok we got our asses handed to us. When's the SAS/SBS gonna start handing out asses to the folks responsible?"<br><br>Even Red Ken (Livingstone) isn't talking about playing nice with these bombers - he's a good indication of the more peace-nik types in the UK (apart from the real radical Galloway types). I don't agree with most of Red Ken's politics, but I do trust him (strange for a politician I know) he speaks his mind regardless of the political consequences.<br><br>ObL is, as far as I am aware, the titular head of AQ. I believe killing/capturing him would be as effective as killing or capturing the Queen of England - she has no real power, it's all in the house of commons. The power of these terrorist organisations is in their cellular organisation. Taking out one cell will prevent one next attack. Taking out support will eventually cripple the organisations. <br><br><br><br>We all do what we do for the same reason: because it seems like a good idea at the time.

_________________________I used to think it was terrible that life was unfair. Then I thought what if life were fair and all of the terrible things that happen came because we really deserved them? Now I take comfort in the general unfairness and hostility of the universe.

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p> ObL is, as far as I am aware, the titular head of AQ. <p><hr></blockquote><p>I agree, I should have said OBL and AQ... <br><br>I agree if we got OBL it'd be more symbolic than functional, BUT sometimes symolic can be powerful. AND he still was responsible for 9/11 and we owe it to the victims and their families to deliver as GW promised 4 yrs ago !! <br><br>David (OFI)<br>

It would only really be symbolic to the American people. AQ would rapidly replace the figurehead (internally) and wouldn't give us the memo as to who the new bad boy on the block is.<br><br>I also have a feeling that if ObL was captured/killed there would be far more people declaring the War on Terror is over. Which considering how these terrorists operate would probably be a bad thing.<br><br>You look at the contrast between the Brits and Yanks - the Brits have been living with the threat of bombs in their major cities for over 30 years. It has ceased to be news there when a store is closed for a few hours or a train line is closed, while bomb disposal teams check out someone's forgotten shopping! Latest reports seem to indicate that the bombs in London yesterday were about 10lbs, not large enough to "look out of place" to those who notice these things. Americans seem to let their awareness wander after they feel the threat has passed them by. They see things as a beginning, a middle and an end, they don't seem to have a concept of an ongoing situation. They like their news nicely packaged in a 60minute soap opera.<br><br>I think the capture of ObL will lower security awareness, but will not remove the threat/risk of further AQ attacks. Though I also think the colour coded alert levels are also unhelpful. For crying out loud people, assume there is someone out to get you all of the time and look for things out of place - don't rely on the authorities to tell you when you should be worried.<br><br><br><br>We all do what we do for the same reason: because it seems like a good idea at the time.

_________________________I used to think it was terrible that life was unfair. Then I thought what if life were fair and all of the terrible things that happen came because we really deserved them? Now I take comfort in the general unfairness and hostility of the universe.

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