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I enjoyed it, but I went into it with WAY too much anticipation. It is good, but not amazing. It reminded me of how I felt after seeing ROTS at midnight. I enjoyed it, but was not satisfied. Salvation is no Dark Knight.....that is for sure!

I didn't expect a "Dark Knight" type of film and frankly, didn't want one! I was intrigued throughout the film to see where it would go, riveted by all the intense action scenes and it was definitely cool to see the homage paid to Arnold's T-800 Terminator in the Climactic Fight Scene! And so far for me, best movie of the summer!

I enjoyed it, but I went into it with WAY too much anticipation. It is good, but not amazing. It reminded me of how I felt after seeing ROTS at midnight. I enjoyed it, but was not satisfied. Salvation is no Dark Knight.....that is for sure!

That pretty much sums it up. They needed to elaborate aliitle more on Marcus.

In the first 3 movies, the future was always depicted as a massive battle field with a whole army of robots marching forward to destroy humanity. In this one the future is baren, you see a robot here and there, and honestly, besides the special effects it looked more like a fan film than a real movie.

What I did think was awesome, however, is how they made a believable Arnold show up in the big battle at the end. Whatever they did, it looked very, very real.

In the first 3 movies, the future was always depicted as a massive battle field with a whole army of robots marching forward to destroy humanity. In this one the future is baren, you see a robot here and there, and honestly, besides the special effects it looked more like a fan film than a real movie.

What I did think was awesome, however, is how they made a believable Arnold show up in the big battle at the end. Whatever they did, it looked very, very real.

I believe this take place right before they have perfected the terminator. If you saw the initial attack on the underground base, you see that they were actually surprised to find the plans for Terminators with skin that appeared human. They're transitioning from the endoskeletons into a more advanced stage. The flashbacks from T1 and T2 were when JOhn was already the head of the resistance and as stated in T1, the war was won and the machines beaten. Salvation was the story of how John goes from being just another grunt, to being in charge of the whole movement and how he got everyone to follow him.

I believe this take place right before they have perfected the terminator. If you saw the initial attack on the underground base, you see that they were actually surprised to find the plans for Terminators with skin that appeared human. They're transitioning from the endoskeletons into a more advanced stage. The flashbacks from T1 and T2 were when JOhn was already the head of the resistance and as stated in T1, the war was won and the machines beaten. Salvation was the story of how John goes from being just another grunt, to being in charge of the whole movement and how he got everyone to follow him.

But still, you only see about 2 or 3 robots in any given scene. It just didnt live up to any of its predecessors.

In the first 3 movies, the future was always depicted as a massive battle field with a whole army of robots marching forward to destroy humanity. In this one the future is baren, you see a robot here and there, and honestly, besides the special effects it looked more like a fan film than a real movie.

What I did think was awesome, however, is how they made a believable Arnold show up in the big battle at the end. Whatever they did, it looked very, very real.

mandosoldier said:

I believe this take place right before they have perfected the terminator. If you saw the initial attack on the underground base, you see that they were actually surprised to find the plans for Terminators with skin that appeared human. They're transitioning from the endoskeletons into a more advanced stage. The flashbacks from T1 and T2 were when JOhn was already the head of the resistance and as stated in T1, the war was won and the machines beaten. Salvation was the story of how John goes from being just another grunt, to being in charge of the whole movement and how he got everyone to follow him.

Dark Jedi said:

But still, you only see about 2 or 3 robots in any given scene. It just didnt live up to any of its predecessors.

Spoilers ahead, if you haven't seen it yet and don't want to be spoiled read no further!!!!

I am on the fence on this debate. While I would have liked to have seen the future as depicted in the first 2 (3?) movies, I realize this is 10 years before what was shown of that future. I thought the "resistance" was too well equipped. I would have liked to have seen John and company hiding in sewers and using rusted out cars fitted with machine guns rather than military planes and subs etc. My understading is that none of that should have been operational especially after what happened in T3.

That said... I liked the movie, thought it was well done, and agree that what they did with Arnold was awesome and very well done. I can let my criticisms go because it is 10 years before the future depicted in the flash forwards of the previous movies. Alot can change in a post apocolyptic world in 10 years.

My big question though is how does skynet know about the previous attempts on John's life if the terminators of T1,T2,&T3 weren't sent back until 2029 and the events of this movie happen in 2018? And how did hyperdyne/skynet have the technology to make Marcus in 2003 when they didn't perfect grafting flesh over the endoskeleton of the T-800 until 2018?

If you are willing to leave your brain at the door, this is a great film, but if you go in, like I often do, and analyze this movie on ANY level, it falls to pieces. While I like the termintor as a character, there was little else I can say I really enjoyed about this B film with an A film budget. I can certainly understand why a lot of people love the movie and from a popcorn standpoint, there is a LOT to love, but I tend to like movies that make me think and feel a little more and this one just didn't do it.

I thought it was pretty good, however I believe they could have explained the whole ordeal with Reese being the father from the future and all that jazz. I was hoping for a bit of reference to the TV show, however Salvation is supposed to take place before the future that affects the show, so that's understandable. Overall I would probably rate it a B movie, High B!

I have have to admit it was no Dark Knight or Star Treck but it was better then the Xmen movie. that was good but his was better.
thinking about it on of the Terminators had a gattling gun atached to his arm that would make a sweet chain gun for a heavy mando

I don't know why people keep comparing this movie to the Dark Knight, those are two totally dif movies that should be left in two dif categories. I think its stupid to compare the two. On another note I give it two thumbs up I also loved how thet threw in some Alice in Chains along with Guns n Roses, that was sweet

Spoilers ahead, if you haven't seen it yet and don't want to be spoiled read no further!!!!

I am on the fence on this debate. While I would have liked to have seen the future as depicted in the first 2 (3?) movies, I realize this is 10 years before what was shown of that future. I thought the "resistance" was too well equipped. I would have liked to have seen John and company hiding in sewers and using rusted out cars fitted with machine guns rather than military planes and subs etc. My understading is that none of that should have been operational especially after what happened in T3.

They weren't that well geared if you really look at it. They had outdated A-10 Warthog planes and normal assault rifles. The subs would probably have survived due to people being IN them during JD, then coming topside to see what the hell had happened, donating them to the resistance to use afterwards. Now had they had fleets of ships and thousands of planes, it would have been silly, but a couple of planes and a old sub isn't that far fetched. PLus this faced against Skynet which utilizes every advantage we USED to have, ie: internet like coms, robots, and tons of tech, makes humans far outclassed. And they were hiding in sewers and cars were mostly a no no as shown in the movie.

My big question though is how does skynet know about the previous attempts on John's life if the terminators of T1,T2,&T3 weren't sent back until 2029 and the events of this movie happen in 2018? And how did hyperdyne/skynet have the technology to make Marcus in 2003 when they didn't perfect grafting flesh over the endoskeleton of the T-800 until 2018?

This could get complicated try to stick with me. In T1, Kyle said they had won the war, but skynet sent back a terminator to kill Sarah before John was born. Kyle ended up fathering John and the terminator was defeated, however it's arm and chip with whatever information it contained was left intact and found by what became Cyberdyne and developed by Miles Dyson. Then Skynet sent back the T-1000 to kill a teenage John, in response to which John sends back the T-101 to save John. Which is successful and destroys the arm from T1, and both the original chip and the chip inside the T-101's own head. NOw in comes books that were written after T2, to take place between T2 and T3. Apparently there was a clone company that was formed that had it's own research, remember Arnold lost his arm in the gear and never did go and get it back, leaving yet another piece behind. But part of these books reveal a terminator similar to the female in T3, who muses that much of the information Skynet had, it got from the Terminators that was sent back to this time. Well flash forward ahead to T:S, Skynet would have access to that same information and be aware of those attempts. Also the Sarah Connor Chronicles show that terminators were sent back in time in order to influence events to ensure it's creation, ie: give scientists nudges in technological discoveries, hording supplies etc... The resistence itself did it, when they had the builder of the bank go back in time and secure the components to the rifle Cameron built inside the vault. So basically actions taken in the future became events that had happened in the past.

I don't know why people keep comparing this movie to the Dark Knight, those are two totally dif movies that should be left in two dif categories. I think its stupid to compare the two. On another note I give it two thumbs up I also loved how thet threw in some Alice in Chains along with Guns n Roses, that was sweet

I believe what most people are saying is that the Dark Knight was a better film, nothing more. There is no problem saying that you liked one film over the other. Schindler's List and Empire Strikes Back are TOTALLY different films in two different genres, but I would say that I enjoy ESB more. Just because I like the film more.

I compared TDK and T:Salvation by likability. Which did I like more/lived up to what I was anticipating. I was eating up everything I could find on the net prior to seeing TDK and T:Salvation. I was extremely excited for both films going into the theater. I came out the TDK VERY VERY satisfied and happy. I walked out of T:Salvation feeling like something was missing. Maybe it was because there was no character development, little emotion, and a predictable twist, idk! The concept of Marcus's character was perfect for the audience to become emotionally attached to him. We should have been feeling for him and rooting though he was a machine. The concept of AI is awesome. If a machine can think and feel sadness, love, anger, etc, what is the difference between a human and a machine? Flesh and blood? It is the mind that defines a human, not their anatomy. The direction of the film didn't tap into this AT ALL.

Still a good movie, but the depth of the characters in TDK and the emotions you feel while watching the film is 10 to the nth power more powerful than T:Salvation.

They weren't that well geared if you really look at it. They had outdated A-10 Warthog planes and normal assault rifles. The subs would probably have survived due to people being IN them during JD, then coming topside to see what the hell had happened, donating them to the resistance to use afterwards. Now had they had fleets of ships and thousands of planes, it would have been silly, but a couple of planes and a old sub isn't that far fetched. PLus this faced against Skynet which utilizes every advantage we USED to have, ie: internet like coms, robots, and tons of tech, makes humans far outclassed. And they were hiding in sewers and cars were mostly a no no as shown in the movie..

Based on the depiction of JD in T3 I assumed humans would have lost control over all military technology that utilized any type of computer, thus the subs and planes.

mandosoldier said:

This could get complicated try to stick with me. In T1, Kyle said they had won the war, but skynet sent back a terminator to kill Sarah before John was born. Kyle ended up fathering John and the terminator was defeated, however it's arm and chip with whatever information it contained was left intact and found by what became Cyberdyne and developed by Miles Dyson. Then Skynet sent back the T-1000 to kill a teenage John, in response to which John sends back the T-101 to save John. Which is successful and destroys the arm from T1, and both the original chip and the chip inside the T-101's own head. NOw in comes books that were written after T2, to take place between T2 and T3. Apparently there was a clone company that was formed that had it's own research, remember Arnold lost his arm in the gear and never did go and get it back, leaving yet another piece behind. But part of these books reveal a terminator similar to the female in T3, who muses that much of the information Skynet had, it got from the Terminators that was sent back to this time. Well flash forward ahead to T:S, Skynet would have access to that same information and be aware of those attempts. Also the Sarah Connor Chronicles show that terminators were sent back in time in order to influence events to ensure it's creation, ie: give scientists nudges in technological discoveries, hording supplies etc... The resistence itself did it, when they had the builder of the bank go back in time and secure the components to the rifle Cameron built inside the vault. So basically actions taken in the future became events that had happened in the past.

Makes sense, but a little more development of how it ties together would have been good. I figured it could have been something along those lines of other Terminators coming back so that skynet has the knowledge, it just should have been addressed better. John says that this isn't the future his mother told him about; perhaps the machines advanced more quickly due to them sending more advanced technology back in time to further the advance of technology more quickly.

Based on the depiction of JD in T3 I assumed humans would have lost control over all military technology that utilized any type of computer, thus the subs and planes.

The early subs were pretty low tech and probably overlooked by skynet as a threat, which over all they didn't pose a threat, but made a handy mobile base. And the weapons would be hard to round up every assault rifle out there, so options are there, but limited to the lower end of the spectrum.

Makes sense, but a little more development of how it ties together would have been good. I figured it could have been something along those lines of other Terminators coming back so that skynet has the knowledge, it just should have been addressed better. John says that this isn't the future his mother told him about; perhaps the machines advanced more quickly due to them sending more advanced technology back in time to further the advance of technology more quickly.

This I agree with, it could have been better explained, I only kept up because I'm a book hound so I've read the stories as well. About the faster advancement, I'd have to say you're right on the money with that. Every time the sent one back it was better than the last, so it's natural to assume that with everyone sent back they'd see where that model's vulnerabilities and mistakes were and then make a new mode l without those faults. It's not the future his mother told him about because knowledge of the future changes it. His very actions to try to avoid that future affected how that future came about and how it was fought. It's like, if you know that 3 years from now, you're going to die in a car crash on Interstate 69., you're going to avoid driving on that interstate. That'd change the future so you wouldn't die on I-69, but you might still die, but just another way you didn't see coming.

Based on the depiction of JD in T3 I assumed humans would have lost control over all military technology that utilized any type of computer, thus the subs and planes.

Subs and planes don't contain hard-wired comms to the outside world unless docked. So it's possible that these types of vehicles would exist if not in an area of the initial nuclear attack. However, I don't see how they would conceal the planes unless they are using some sort of underground hanger.

They weren't that well geared if you really
This could get complicated try to stick with me. In T1, Kyle said they had won the war, but skynet sent back a terminator to kill Sarah before John was born. Kyle ended up fathering John and the terminator was defeated, however it's arm and chip with whatever information it contained was left intact and found by what became Cyberdyne and developed by Miles Dyson. Then Skynet sent back the T-1000 to kill a teenage John, in response to which John sends back the T-101 to save John. Which is successful and destroys the arm from T1, and both the original chip and the chip inside the T-101's own head. NOw in comes books that were written after T2, to take place between T2 and T3. Apparently there was a clone company that was formed that had it's own research, remember Arnold lost his arm in the gear and never did go and get it back, leaving yet another piece behind. But part of these books reveal a terminator similar to the female in T3, who muses that much of the information Skynet had, it got from the Terminators that was sent back to this time. Well flash forward ahead to T:S, Skynet would have access to that same information and be aware of those attempts. Also the Sarah Connor Chronicles show that terminators were sent back in time in order to influence events to ensure it's creation, ie: give scientists nudges in technological discoveries, hording supplies etc... The resistence itself did it, when they had the builder of the bank go back in time and secure the components to the rifle Cameron built inside the vault. So basically actions taken in the future became events that had happened in the past.

That was my take on it, but figured if I typed what you did I would confuse everyone . There is no way they could show you what the world looked like in the T1 & T2 flashbacks mainly because the army of marching Terminators were T-800. And the 800's were just coming into production in 2018. I'm hoping the next movie will be a nice filler, between the first and third with John Conner dieing and Katherine sending the modded Terminator back in time.