From a standpoint on how it affects the game there is a big difference between a dramatic clumsy foul in the middle of the park and a clear denial of a goal scoring opportunity from behind as the last man.

quote:From a standpoint on how it affects the game there is a big difference between a dramatic clumsy foul in the middle of the park and a clear denial of a goal scoring opportunity from behind as the last man.

Read my posts in the thread. I know you will disagree but my whole premise is that a clumsy foul in the middle of the field should not result in a team having to play a man down. Send the guy off, fine. Suspend him, sure whatever. But to me it's a flawed rule that a non-malicious foul in the middle of the park results in a team playing down for the rest of the match which is why there is no other sport where this sort of thing happens.

quote:Read my posts in the thread. I know you will disagree but my whole premise is that a clumsy foul in the middle of the field should not result in a team having to play a man down. Send the guy off, fine. Suspend him, sure whatever. But to me it's a flawed rule that a non-malicious foul in the middle of the park results in a team playing down for the rest of the match which is why there is no other sport where this sort of thing happens.

I skipped over all posts. Where one is in the pitch has nothing to do with it, if blatant, and with malicious intent. If you're referring to Von Bommel, his challenge was from the back, highly malicious, with intent to injure, to send a message, as is done in American football, and to test Webb. It was a straight red, especially considering he already had committed three or four fouls previously.

Now, if you're referring to something else, you most certainly may be right based on what you've stated, but like anything, context reigns, before making a ruling.

ETA it may have not been three or four as I said, but he is a dirty, dirty SOB, and his intent was clear for all to see. If you didn't, or don't want to see that, then this conversation is ridiculous. Don't get me wrong, he was merely peforming that which they had outlined in their gameplan, but it was a straight red. You will notice I mention nothing of the boot to Xabi's chest, which I firmly believe is a red, but most certainly wasn't intentional.

re: Lets have a discussion about red cards(Posted by saderade on 9/29/12 at 11:59 am to RandySavage)

quote: But to me it's a flawed rule that a non-malicious foul in the middle of the park results in a team playing down for the rest of the match which is why there is no other sport where this sort of thing happens.

How it is not malicious when you go studs up with both feet? Sorry but that was an easy direct red.

quote:I really don't see any difference between goal line technology and reviewing red cards as far as seamless integration into the flow of the game goes. Goal line technology stops it more in fact, because it creates a stoppage where the ref wouldn't have stopped the game previously.

This is actually not true, you can set some form of this up to where once the ball crosses the goal line an alarm or siren can go off with a flashing light or something of that sort. No stoppage of play, immediately the ref signals goal and we move on.....like I said similiar to what hockey uses.

re: Lets have a discussion about red cards(Posted by RandySavage on 10/1/12 at 9:02 am to rsande2)

quote:Dude really, take the liverpool glasses

Uhhh...

quote: two footed studs up tackle 3 seconds later.....I mean come on!

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Clearly going for the ball, no malice, United player went in just as dangerously, it' just a crappy rule that the entire team had to play a man down for over a half for that. Again, there is a reason no other sport in the world has anything to compare to this. It's a stupid punishment system.

re: Lets have a discussion about red cards(Posted by rsande2 on 10/1/12 at 9:53 am to RandySavage)

meh, agree to disagree, I think its a red and you don't.....and if this is the call that is supposed to persuade me to stop the game for instant replay, I am far from convinced on that issue as well.

Sure, there are bad calls made in games that the majority on here will agree with, but I am not sure I trust any league to implement instant replay in such a way that the game is not negatively impacted, thats just me. Still for goal line technology though if its done right and I believe that has a better chance of working.