Overjoyed? Quite the opposite! You can frame the debate so I have to take an extreme position, but you can NOT make me happy about it!

My very first post was to condemn this bill... then I am told that because I am male, that doesn't matter. Since the entire argument is framed around
Roe vs. Wade, the only way to make my voice matter is apparently to get rid of Roe vs. Wade.

I don't get it. I accepted that since I am male and Roe vs. Wade is in effect, my voice is silenced. You guys won that debate! Now you're upset about
it?

Well she said it, I didn't, so she must be disenfranchising herself. Why would she do that?

No, she stated her position. YOU disenfranchised her based on her position.

You might be interested to know that her office has stated she will not comment publicly on this bill until she can thoroughly examine it. If she was
so gung-ho to sign it, as you seem to have already decided, why would she not have been there last night with pen in hand?

YOU are disenfranchising people. YOU made me realize that Roe vs. Wade must go. YOU. No one else. YOU.

Well she said it, I didn't, so she must be disenfranchising herself. Why would she do that?

No, she stated her position. YOU disenfranchised her based on her position.

You might be interested to know that her office has stated she will not comment publicly on this bill until she can thoroughly examine it. If she was
so gung-ho to sign it, as you seem to have already decided, why would she not have been there last night with pen in hand?

YOU are disenfranchising people. YOU made me realize that Roe vs. Wade must go. YOU. No one else. YOU.

TheRedneck

Well, you can't make that judgement until she signs or does not sign. Who is disenfranchising people again?

I didn't make the statement; that was the Governor's office. I just repeated it, since you seem to have ignored it the first time I did so. Heck, I
originally stated I was happy that she was not signing it right away.

You stated that since she was a person of faith, her opinion was predetermined and wrong.

I didn't make the statement; that was the Governor's office. I just repeated it, since you seem to have ignored it the first time I did so. Heck, I
originally stated I was happy that she was not signing it right away.

You stated that since she was a person of faith, her opinion was predetermined and wrong.

TheRedneck

I also determined she is likely to sign by her comments.

Ivey, while at the opening of a Hyundai engine plant in Montgomery on Wednesday morning, says she has not seen the abortion bill yet and is not ready
to say whether she will sign it. Asked about the lack of a rape and incest exception in the abortion ban, she said “all human life is precious.”
Tuesday night the governor’s press secretary had said Ivey intends to withhold comment until she has had a chance to thoroughly review the final
version of the bill the Senate approved. Ivey was asked about legal costs of defending the abortion bill in the expected upcoming court fights. Ivey
said, “You certainly cannot deter your efforts to protect the unborn because of costs.”

a reply to: TheRedneck
How did. I frame the debate in any way except that denying a preteen child the means to end a pregnancy that WILL posed considerably Sanger to get
isn't giving equal rights to fetuses it is giving them higher rights!!
And, considering how some of these laws are written its kind of obvious that They don't know Jack about pregnancy or the laws that are already in
place to regulate them. Maybe they should at least listen more to the minority women?

And your determination is binding on the Governor of Alabama because...? I gave an opinion that I didn't think she would sign it. You made a
determination. See the difference?

You are destroying your own cause. You are single-handedly convincing others that if they don't fight you, they will lose the right to even express
their opinion. How many more people will you run away from reason? You already got me to change my mind; I wonder how many others have read this and
thought similarly? Now multiply that by thousands of others, just like you, who seek to silence others for things like being born male or being a
Christian?

And you think that will protect Roe vs. Wade? IT WILL DESTROY IT!

All thanks to you. You really should be proud. You are influential and becoming more influential every day.

So abortion advocates should instead push for an amendment instead of relying on courts, because courts can change their minds.

Fetal personhood advocates should push for an amendment, instead of trying to convince the courts to defy the 14th Amendment, which clearly states
that the government has jurisdiction over "persons born", not the unborn.

Many in the pro life side claim that birth control also can kill the conceived egg and they should be banned so who knows.
I'm wondering how long it will take them to realized that in order to have healthy babies you have to have healthy sperm and egg so they should also
be protected. They've already have found quite a few things that men and women do, years before conception occurs, that can cause all kinds of
problems for developing babies.
While they seen to be all for forcing children to have children. I bet of they ever start regulating the behavior of guys alcohol intake throughout
their lives to protect their future unborn fetuses that will a few steps too far.

a reply to: TheRedneck
I was talking about the legislatures who are writing the crazy bills the majority who are male.
Maybe they should take the time to listen to the female minority in their debate and realize that they might know a little more on the subject of
pregnancy? Or take the time out of their busy schedules to learn a little more about it?,

Nobody thinks about the consequences of unprotected sex until it's too late and you're too pregnant to take a Plan B pill. If the mother's life is in
danger or she was raped, I support abortion. But it's easy to go buy a $10 Plan B pill JUST IN CASE.

originally posted by: jaxnmarko
Why is it that a group made up of, I believe, entirely men (there may be a few women in the statehouse there), are deciding the fate of what is 100%
female? Regardless of there having been a questionable vote, having seen some video and there having been procedural problems, it is still a vote by
men that absolutely FORCE women to continue with a pregnancy regardless of rape, incest, and the fact that a woman often has no idea they are pregnant
until they miss a period and by then it is too late according to this law. If anything, there should be a referendum of women regarding this 100%
woman's issue. Yes, men are involved in a pregnancy, but they don't have to carry a baby to term or go through labor and it is primarily the man that
may abandon a woman and child and not the other way around.

Probably because men normally prevail with the cooler heads and aren't as sensitive when covering a subject. Men and women aren't geared the same.
There are also tons of women who leave the man behind with the child(ren).

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