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Then what else are we supposed to be using? You're the one claiming that they're not attacked on a physical level.

Yeesh, I feel as if no-one read my post using defense instead of beams as an argument.

After all, the only reason this started was because people could survive hit without a scratch on their body.

I, for one am not discounting the role of Barrier Jackets in defense. But of course, it also functions as physical defense aside from magic defense. Getting thrown thru buildings proves it's worth despite looking like cosplay costumes.

Umm, I think Keroko's brought up discussions about defense would be a good topic right now.

The barrier jacket design never really mattered much. It defends you against both spells and physical weapons all the same. The no cuts and no scratches even after smashing into buildings makes this all the more valid, right?

Umm, I think Keroko's brought up discussions about defense would be a good topic right now.

The barrier jacket design never really mattered much. It defends you against both spells and physical weapons all the same. The no cuts and no scratches even after smashing into buildings makes this all the more valid, right?

*Wave hand in front of face*

The Barrier jacket is a fancy piece of armor, yes yes... Why else would it be there...

I have never doubt the Barrier Jacket as a form of protection Nor can I deny that they provide some level of defence for both physical and magic base damage.

(Ah ha! The term does exist officially! I'm not crazy!!!! MUWHAHAHAHAHA...!)

Actually, I think you've gone crazy AFTER the confirmation of your claims.

I think you should quote Thisguy's post here to avoid confusion.
Ah, nevermind, I'll do it instead.

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Originally Posted by Thisguy

Now that I noticed, I've been using that setting without thinking much, I'm relatively new for this series myself (it was even after A's airing)

After quick reading through wiki, it was first explained in 1st season DVD booklet (which I don't have), and official page mentions about it too.
(Official page's summary for A's Ep11, as far as I've found, clearly says about it)

Also A's manga mentions about these "Non-lethal" settings in last episode and (according to Wiki) Novel too makes explanation of it.

I have never doubt the Barrier Jacket as a form of protection Nor can I deny that they provide some level of defence for both physical and magic base damage.

(Ah ha! The term does exist officially! I'm not crazy!!!! MUWHAHAHAHAHA...!)

Unfortunately, this still doesn't prove your 'spirit/soul/linker/watachamacallit damage' claim (as I never denied the existece of the magical damage term, I just found magical damage and physical damage to have the same result, namely physical injury).

After all, this was the chapter ThisGuy was reffering to (Note Hayate explaining the rules about none lethal attacks in the bottom right frame):

and this was the result:

Now, you try and explain to me why all those people are charred and dirty, or what all that rubble is doing there if the attacks were supposed to be non-physical.

Seems like my claim about down-powering your attacks is far more likely.

Unfortunately, this still doesn't prove your 'spirit/soul/linker/watachamacallit damage' claim (as I never denied the existece of the magical damage term, I just found magical damage and physical damage to have the same result, namely physical injury).

"Magical Property".

Quote:

After all, this was the chapter ThisGuy was reffering to (Note Hayate explaining the rules about none lethal attacks in the bottom right frame):

and this was the result:

Now, you try and explain to me why all those people are charred and dirty, or what all that rubble is doing there if the attacks were supposed to be non-physical.

Seems like my claim about down-powering your attacks is far more likely.

Well, that's easy

Magical attacks affect Barrier Jackets because they're magic-base to begin with, hence their jackets are in a mess.

And a physical attack can also be "non-lethal", doesn't mean it's purely magic base. Which would explain all the rubble.

And I've got official info as back up for my 'magic damage' claim on Starlight Breaker

Unfortunately, this still doesn't prove your 'spirit/soul/linker/watachamacallit damage' claim (as I never denied the existece of the magical damage term, I just found magical damage and physical damage to have the same result, namely physical injury).

After all, this was the chapter ThisGuy was reffering to (Note Hayate explaining the rules about none lethal attacks in the bottom right frame):

and this was the result:

Now, you try and explain to me why all those people are charred and dirty, or what all that rubble is doing there if the attacks were supposed to be non-physical.

Seems like my claim about down-powering your attacks is far more likely.

Three possible answers and two relative questions. You may take your pick.

Here goes:

I was under the impression that the clashing S-ranked attacks far surpassed the pre-set parameters of the training room and caused a major breakdown in the equipment, which leads to explosion.

OR

When did they say that physical damage are prohibited in the match? Hayate said non-lethal and not non-physical. Signum, Vita and the others wouldn't fit in, otherwise.

OR

It was just a case of the producers not thinking as far ahead as us.

OR

We could always bring up the issue of why did the water gushed upward when Nanoha fired a purely magic damage Starlight Breaker on Fate during S1?

OR

Why wasn't there a scratch on Uminari City after Reinforce 1 fired off her Starlight Breaker?

Basically, we're only arguing ourselves into a corner and out of it later.

Personally, I think the concepts of the several types of damages are not as well thought out by the producers, so there are several noticeable plot holes that can be seen if you look closely enough.