Comments on: Report: Cardinals set to sign Jhonny Peralta for shorthttp://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/23/report-cardinals-set-to-sign-jhonny-peralta-for-short/
Baseball. Baseball. And then a bit more baseball.Tue, 03 Mar 2015 21:31:01 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: thebadguyswonhttp://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/23/report-cardinals-set-to-sign-jhonny-peralta-for-short/comment-page-1/#comment-617333
Sun, 24 Nov 2013 21:13:31 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=504749#comment-617333He’s a good player and much, much younger than Peralta. I’d rather have Andrus.
]]>By: albertmnhttp://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/23/report-cardinals-set-to-sign-jhonny-peralta-for-short/comment-page-1/#comment-617306
Sun, 24 Nov 2013 19:30:47 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=504749#comment-617306Which was about as smart as double posting??
]]>By: albertmnhttp://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/23/report-cardinals-set-to-sign-jhonny-peralta-for-short/comment-page-1/#comment-617304
Sun, 24 Nov 2013 19:29:19 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=504749#comment-617304They would have to overpay with prospects for Profar and you don’t want Andrus’ contract moving forward.
]]>By: albertmnhttp://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/23/report-cardinals-set-to-sign-jhonny-peralta-for-short/comment-page-1/#comment-617301
Sun, 24 Nov 2013 19:23:52 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=504749#comment-617301Andrus is signed to a ridiculous contract extension. Cards will be happy they won’t end up on the hook for that if they had traded for him.
]]>By: paperlionshttp://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/23/report-cardinals-set-to-sign-jhonny-peralta-for-short/comment-page-2/#comment-617276
Sun, 24 Nov 2013 18:53:43 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=504749#comment-617276Yeah, teams can trade for international spending money. In fact, I think the Cardinals got some in one of their trades last year….maybe the Boggs deal (checked, they got an extra $200K or so in spending ability from the Rockies in that deal). But Diaz may now be exempt because of his age and experience as a pro in Cuba. So he may be far more expensive as well. Not sure if he’ll be subject to it or not. There are never any updates on his situation other than he can’t sign until Feb 2014.
]]>By: spudchukarhttp://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/23/report-cardinals-set-to-sign-jhonny-peralta-for-short/comment-page-2/#comment-617271
Sun, 24 Nov 2013 18:44:26 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=504749#comment-617271Sounds good to me. Funny I was going to ask you yesterday, if there were any non-American, for wont of a better term, youngsters that you knew of that might fit the need.

If I have this correct, teams can make moves to increase their international spending dollars. If necessary the Cards certainly have that option too.

]]>By: paperlionshttp://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/23/report-cardinals-set-to-sign-jhonny-peralta-for-short/comment-page-2/#comment-617269
Sun, 24 Nov 2013 18:38:17 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=504749#comment-617269A Cuban defector that hit well and plays solid or better D at SS will be available to sign in February. He’s 22 or 23 now and was ruled ineligible to sign because he lied about his age, making himself older to try to get around the new CBA spending limits. Aledmys Diaz. If they could sign him, he would immediately improve organizational depth at SS.
]]>By: spudchukarhttp://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/23/report-cardinals-set-to-sign-jhonny-peralta-for-short/comment-page-2/#comment-617261
Sun, 24 Nov 2013 18:21:40 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=504749#comment-617261Yeah, took me a while, mostly sleeping on it to appreciate the leverage difference. As you know I’m not a fan of defensive metrics, it is impossible to increase one’s range to the magnitude they indicate, but if Peralta catches what he can and can be average then his bat will more than make up for his lack of range.

It isn’t like Kozma is a range whiz either. He struggles going to his left, which I have no explanation for, and he did improve in the latter part of 2013. His strength is his range coming in and going out, a quick release and accurate arm. Peralta can be replaced at times in the later innings with the lead, and nobody is saying the Cards are finished.

Peralta also provides 3B coverage if Wong fails or struggles. And with 2 drafts early, perhaps the Red Bird brass has their eyes on college SS, who they believe can be ready in a couple of years.

]]>By: buffalo65http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/23/report-cardinals-set-to-sign-jhonny-peralta-for-short/comment-page-2/#comment-617255
Sun, 24 Nov 2013 18:01:26 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=504749#comment-617255Maybe not a good fit. I was thinking the cards were in need of a big bat. I think Bautista is on the move.
]]>By: paperlionshttp://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/23/report-cardinals-set-to-sign-jhonny-peralta-for-short/comment-page-2/#comment-617251
Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:46:56 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=504749#comment-617251Miller has more value that Bautista does (5 years of control versus 2 years at $14M/per). The Blue Jays would have to add to Bautista is if they wanted Miller, not the other way around. Heck, Adams provided more surplus value with his 5 years of control left than Bautista does. Last year Adams hit better than Bautista with a higher HR/PA than Bautista.

Plus, the Cardinals don’t need a 3B. Carpenter will be among the best 3B in the majors next year. Bautista simply isn’t a need for the Cardinals at any position, so there is no reason they would overpay to get him. Again, your proposed deal would be a horrible deal for the Cardinals and wouldn’t address any need they have. In your experience, how often have the Cardinals overpaid in talent in a trade?

]]>By: paperlionshttp://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/23/report-cardinals-set-to-sign-jhonny-peralta-for-short/comment-page-2/#comment-617247
Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:41:52 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=504749#comment-617247Yep. With a solid SS on board (as Church pointed out, he’s been among the top 5 SS in MLB the last 3 years), they are now in trade for luxury mode, not trade for need mode….which should reduce the number of silly offers (e.g. Miller for Aybar or Hardy).
]]>By: zalbatt07http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/23/report-cardinals-set-to-sign-jhonny-peralta-for-short/comment-page-2/#comment-617246
Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:39:58 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=504749#comment-617246Why would anyone give up Adams and Miller for an aging player who hasn’t finished the last two seasons. 3rd doesn’t really seem like a need since Carpenter will slide over there. All he did was tie for the league lead in hits and led in doubles. The lineup seems much better with Craig in RF, Adams 1b, and Carp at 3b. We haven’t even talked about young Oscar Tavares yet.
]]>By: zalbatt07http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/23/report-cardinals-set-to-sign-jhonny-peralta-for-short/comment-page-2/#comment-617245
Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:34:38 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=504749#comment-617245Ah, my bad. I read that the wrong way.
]]>By: spudchukarhttp://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/23/report-cardinals-set-to-sign-jhonny-peralta-for-short/comment-page-2/#comment-617238
Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:12:22 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=504749#comment-617238Granted, but the Cards brass did it and still stayed under 100 mil. What I like most about the deal, is the leverage gained. Now all those teams that dissed the young arms can only beg the Red Birds to part with one of them.
]]>By: buffalo65http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/23/report-cardinals-set-to-sign-jhonny-peralta-for-short/comment-page-2/#comment-617234
Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:03:06 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=504749#comment-617234Bautista is as good at third as he is in the OF. Batutisafor Adams Miller and Kozma. Gonna happen.
]]>By: paperlionshttp://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/23/report-cardinals-set-to-sign-jhonny-peralta-for-short/comment-page-2/#comment-617233
Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:48:00 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=504749#comment-617233But they lost Freese and Beltran, that is like -100 runs, right?
]]>By: paperlionshttp://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/23/report-cardinals-set-to-sign-jhonny-peralta-for-short/comment-page-2/#comment-617232
Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:46:24 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=504749#comment-617232No. Notice that the only people that say that are people hoping their team trades for him….indicating that they think he’ll be more, but that they are just trying to justify why they think their team shouldn’t have to give up much for one of the best young pitchers in the majors.
]]>By: cohnjusackhttp://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/23/report-cardinals-set-to-sign-jhonny-peralta-for-short/comment-page-2/#comment-617231
Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:32:38 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=504749#comment-617231Yeah Cardinals, your offense is awful! You only outscored the entire rest of the NL by 77 runs last season!
]]>By: cohnjusackhttp://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/23/report-cardinals-set-to-sign-jhonny-peralta-for-short/comment-page-2/#comment-617230
Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:31:30 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=504749#comment-617230“Cardinals fan is saying they lost series because the great Wade Miller didn’t pitch.”
-Umm…no. I think he maybe should have started or Joe Kelly,but the reasoning behind it had to do with his late season fade and sudden inability to strike out anyone out, a sign of arm fatigue.

” He would have replaced Wainright, who lost two games or would have started in place of Wacha.”
–In no universe would he have replaced Adam Wainwright OR Michael Wacha. He would have replaced Kelly or Lynn.

“The Orioles problem is not mid-rotation starters. It’s front line.”
–Shelby MIller is 22, strikes out a batter an inning his rookie season and was one of the games most highly touted prospects. If anyone projects to be a “front line starter”, it’s him. He’s almost there now anyway.

]]>By: zalbatt07http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/23/report-cardinals-set-to-sign-jhonny-peralta-for-short/comment-page-2/#comment-617227
Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:19:44 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=504749#comment-617227Does anyone really think that Miller is just a mid-rotation starter? Especially for the Orioles?
]]>By: drone501http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/23/report-cardinals-set-to-sign-jhonny-peralta-for-short/comment-page-2/#comment-617226
Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:16:50 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=504749#comment-617226and the rich get richer
]]>By: bfunk1978http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/23/report-cardinals-set-to-sign-jhonny-peralta-for-short/comment-page-1/#comment-617225
Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:14:58 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=504749#comment-617225Then they’re looking for another corner outfielder. By going with Peralta, they have filled both the big holes from 2013 and haven’t given up anything. Even if Peralta is a .700 OPS and average defense (0 runs saved, for example) guy, that’s 150 points better than Cards short stops with basically the same defense. Big improvement.
]]>By: bfunk1978http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/23/report-cardinals-set-to-sign-jhonny-peralta-for-short/comment-page-1/#comment-617223
Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:13:19 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=504749#comment-617223Yeah, forgot about Carp. Geez. The payroll went down and the team got better. That’s pretty astounding.
]]>By: paperlionshttp://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/23/report-cardinals-set-to-sign-jhonny-peralta-for-short/comment-page-2/#comment-617222
Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:09:12 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=504749#comment-617222Miller isn’t going anywhere and neither is Bautista.

The Cardinals don’t need a RFer, they already have plenty of younger/cheaper options for the position. Toronto doesn’t have a single decent catcher on their 40 man roster….and, of course, the Cardinals don’t need a catcher.

Not using Miller didn’t cost them anything. The pitching was fine to great. Unless Miller was going to hit a ton, his absence had no effect.

Plus, not using a 22 yr old pitcher because he is gassed after logging more innings than ever in his career doesn’t mean he suddenly has no future value or that he doesn’t profile as a top of the rotation starter anymore.

If you look at their assets, the thing they have a lot of to spend is money, money is not limiting.

They also have a LOT of talent and depth at multiple levels in the organization, but no matter how much depth you have, available talent is ALWAYS more limiting than money….which is why borderline MLB quality pitchers like Vargas can get 4 year $32M deals.

With money being far less limiting than talent, it always makes more sense to spend a little extra money for an upgrade than to overpay in talent. From a resource management perspective, this is a very smart decision.

]]>By: buffalo65http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/23/report-cardinals-set-to-sign-jhonny-peralta-for-short/comment-page-2/#comment-617217
Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:00:28 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=504749#comment-617217Miller maybe coming to TO soon. Joey Bats back. Got a good catcher available too, Adams and a couple prospects. Come on cards, step up and fix your offense.
]]>By: paperlionshttp://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/23/report-cardinals-set-to-sign-jhonny-peralta-for-short/comment-page-1/#comment-617213
Sun, 24 Nov 2013 15:56:14 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=504749#comment-617213Right now, if they sign Peralta for $15M/year or less, they should still be well under $100. Carpenter, Furcal, Beltran, and Westbrook, all coming off the books (that is around $45M total), trading Freese saved around $3M. There are a few guys getting raises (Wainwright, Yadi, a few minor arb cases, maybe Axford if they keep him)….but right now, even if this signing happens, they are WAAAAAAAAAAAAY below where they were last year.
]]>By: paperlionshttp://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/23/report-cardinals-set-to-sign-jhonny-peralta-for-short/comment-page-1/#comment-617208
Sun, 24 Nov 2013 15:46:41 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=504749#comment-617208Being greedy, I am still hopeful that the Cardinals sign Aledmys Diaz when his is eligible, which I think is February. Cuban defector who lied about his age (trying to make himself older to avoid new CBA spending restrictions), allegedly, he can hit and plays a solid or better SS and will be 23 (I think).
]]>