- When you first get to the cage, it is under water. You can see that there are four possible exits from the cage. I have used a clock reference to orient your approach to the cage.

- 1. Where you first approach the cage (we'll call this 6:00)- 2. Towards the left is a closed area (9:00)- 3. The area ahead is also closed (12:00)- 4. The area to the right LOOKS closed, and you can see a triangular tunnel that looks closed (3:00).

Number 4 above is your target. When you raise the pedestal, then rotate the cage so the open side is toward the 3:00 direction, you will have access to the right area. You must push the LEFT of two buttons on the windmill to open the door to allow access to the tunnel.

If the door is closed, go try running the wind again, clicking the LEFT lever to activate the machinery, then click the LEFT button once and check it out.

The wind stops at various times during the many times I have tried this challenge.

I've read the posts...but..alas..I seem to be really struggling with this one..!!

Any other suggestions.. (besides asking for a game save)..? I really want to do this one..all by myself..with a little help from my friends..! :kiss:

hmm, don't know the '2nd wind challenge'

However, as to the windmill controls.(er, I should add in here you have to start the wind thing here for the controls to do anything of course)Large left lever unlocks the windmill - pull once.Pull the small left lever once to raise the pedestal to water level.Push the left button once to open the gate covering the second stream. The right button does nothing as far as I know.Pull the right lever once - that will turn the pedestal just enough for you to be able to see the symbol through the bars if you go back into the large cage and have a look.

Then you can run back to the first pedestal and draw your symbol, drop it.. if you don't see the Bahro putting it on the bubble pedestal, then he accepted your drawing and put it on the cage pedestal. You'll have to link there to get the slate, then link back to the first pedestal bubble, walk back to the windmill area and do the wind symbol again.This time pull the large left lever once, then pull the right lever once.. that will rotate the bars around so that the opening is into the second stream area (where you've already opened the gate cover by pressing the LEFT button once).You still have to run back to the first pedestal to be able to link into the cage to the second pedestal.

I didn't have trouble with the windmill or the elevator. But now I'm at the end almost and have gotten to the island. I go into the bubble and press the blue slate and the arm releases but nothing happens. I don't get linked anywhere. There are four arms, three are released. Have I left something out or do I need to do something more to get to the endings? Help, please.

Now...when I make "wind" again (LOL)...and try to run to the linking bubble..I can never get there before the wind stops. (The video is so choppy it is hard to control the mouse and get to where I need to go in an efficient and timely manner..!) Must I arrive there and link into the cage BEFORE the wind stops..?

I get the cage door open that seems to allow the extra waterway...but...when I try to squeeze past the cage pedestal...I am stopped and cannot navigate any further along that waterway.

Now...when I make "wind" again (LOL)...and try to run to the linking bubble..I can never get there before the wind stops. (The video is so choppy it is hard to control the mouse and get to where I need to go in an efficient and timely manner..!) Must I arrive there and link into the cage BEFORE the wind stops..?

I get the cage door open that seems to allow the extra waterway...but...when I try to squeeze past the cage pedestal...I am stopped and cannot navigate any further along that waterway.

Dawna,You only need the wind to be blowing if you need to adjust the windmill/cage controls. Doesn't matter if it stops blowing while you are going back to the bubble, or linking into the pedestal cage.

It can be a little tight getting round the pedestal. I suggest going right up to the bars toward the right side of the pedestal, then angle a little left, and then point your mouse into the water and click, you should be able to squeeze past the pedestal into the quadrant that leads to the second stream gate.

I'll let you know how it goes. If this works...thanks to all of you with your suggestions.

GameBoomers Rocks..!!!

Well...that didn't work..!!

I can get around to the back of the pedestal..then...it allows me ONE step (probably the edge of the platform that the pedestal is standing on)....then...nothing..!!! I cannot move forward. Should the pedestal be underwater at this particular point..?

I'm assuming that I'm going in the right direction. In behind the pedestal...towards another long waterway where I can see somthing (not sure what it is) in the distance. I am right...aren't I..?

Here is where I went wrong (just in case someone else encounters the same problem).

My pedestal was way up in the air...I had to bring it back down (not underwater..but down) to water level..!!! I have not seen any "hints" about that...anywhere..!! Anyway...I was finally able to move forward..!!! I don't know what made me think of it...but...I stood in front of the cage...and...just observed..! Noticed that my pedestal was way up in the air (almost like a 2nd floor)...which made me say..hhhmmmm. Thought I'd try to lower it again..and..just see if that would help.

I must have pressed one of the buttons twice to get my pedestal up there...and...just thought it was the place it was supposed to go to. So...I had the cage-turnin', door-openin' thing right all along and was doing all the running around and changing things when I didn't have to..!! Sheesh..!!!

I think I saw someone over at the MYST forums with what I think is the same problem. I should go over there and suggest that they check that out. It'll be nice to help someone else out...instead of asking for help..!!

yes that is a little different Dawna! I think there was somebody else might have been having that problem. I know one other person did have the exact opposite..they had the cage submerged, and also couldn't get out!

I am having trouble with the elevator to it tried the methods that dadguy said he did but it did not work for me at all when the elevator goes up to the top it comes down before I get a chance to give off a need help real bad