richardclank wrote:Are you suggesting trans people become trans due to abuse?

In many cases, probably. Becoming trans is how some people deal with the trauma.

I could type pages here on how you're wrong, but do yourself a favor and use google sometime. Unbelievable how in an age where any question can be answered within seconds that people hold views from the 1900's.

You see naked people in shower houses. That's how it's always been.If you want the choice of which bathroom/shower room, or you want unisex than you're going to have to deal with seeing people of the opposite sex.

Me personally, I'd rather see naked women than naked men so I'm all for it. I'd also much rather have a women looking at me when naked than some dude. But at the end of the day - At the worst someone is going to see you naked. Big deal. People are such prudes

Glacier wrote:Let's say The Green Barbarian identifies as a woman. Would you behave like a bigot by refusing him in your shower while you're there, or would you do the politically correct thing by pretending you're not uncomfortable?

Glacier wrote:Riiiiight. Trans people are far more likely to be involved in a sex crime than non trans... as victims... which is probably why they're trans in the first place. There are no statistics on whether or not they commit more crimes since there are so few trans people to conduct such research so not sure where you get your "facts." The only facts we do know is that those who are abused are more likely to abuse themselves, which would deduce that trans people are more likely to be abusers.You are disagreeing with yourself. You say trans are victims which is probably why they are trans in the first place. That would be their coping mechanism then, not abusing others. While many who abuse others have been abused themselves, that doesn't mean that all abused people abuse others.

But that doesn't matter since the real danger is cis gendered male perverts who will use loopholes to molest women.

Glacier wrote:Riiiiight. Trans people are far more likely to be involved in a sex crime than non trans... as victims... which is probably why they're trans in the first place. There are no statistics on whether or not they commit more crimes since there are so few trans people to conduct such research so not sure where you get your "facts." The only facts we do know is that those who are abused are more likely to abuse themselves, which would deduce that trans people are more likely to be abusers.You are disagreeing with yourself. You say trans are victims which is probably why they are trans in the first place. That would be their coping mechanism then, not abusing others. While many who abuse others have been abused themselves, that doesn't mean that all abused people abuse others.

But that doesn't matter since the real danger is cis gendered male perverts who will use loopholes to molest women.

No, I'm not saying transsexuals are more likely to abuse. I never said that. I said that people in general who are abused grow up to be abuses in higher numbers than the general public. Despite what Milo says, there's no evidence that transsexuals are more likely to abuse.

"If you love your own culture, that doesn’t mean that you hate all other cultures - that’s like saying that if you love your wife, you must necessarily hate all other women."~Stefan Molyneux

Glacier wrote:Let's say The Green Barbarian identifies as a woman. Would you behave like a bigot by refusing him in your shower while you're there, or would you do the politically correct thing by pretending you're not uncomfortable?

[/quote]Riiiiight. Trans people are far more likely to be involved in a sex crime than non trans... as victims... which is probably why they're trans in the first place. There are no statistics on whether or not they commit more crimes since there are so few trans people to conduct such research so not sure where you get your "facts." The only facts we do know is that those who are abused are more likely to abuse themselves, which would deduce that trans people are more likely to be abusers.

But that doesn't matter since the real danger is cis gendered male perverts who will use loopholes to molest women.[/quote]

* There are no documented increases in the US States who have gender neutral washrooms from cis gendered males looking to molest women and children.

* There are no documented increases in sexual assaults of women and children in states with gender neutral washrooms from trans-women.

* There is no evidence to suggest tran-people are trans "because" they are abuse survivors. However you are correct that they are more likely to suffer violence because they're trans.

There is however evidence suggesting that trans-people may have a brain that responds closer to the gender with which they identify than their biological birthright. Ths suggests that some trans-people may be biologically inclined to feel the way they do for no other reason than they were born this way.

Your original commented mentioned nothing about change rooms, just the overall behaviour about men. It is sad you think so little about the male population :( There are uni-sex bathrooms starting to popup in town, and non-creep/perverted men have been able to hold themselves back long enough to pee. Magical.

And as TylerM4 said, only creepers would hang out in a change room labelled "women only" (yes, trans-women included). A creeper will be a creeper no matter what.

Okay. So buddy walks into the public shower and his bosses wife is bent over washing her ankles, and he's going to be a grown man and not bring it up at the next Christmas Party after a few too many beers? Uh huh.