Well.......the next processor will have to be Intel I think......
And for the record - Sandy and Ivy they also have the memory controller integrated?

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Both AMD and Intel have intergrated memory controllers on all current products. Intel also has integrated PCIe controllers on the CPU. It's not just about memory control however, cache plays it's role as well, and very few apps out there actually test CPU cache, so few have explored this. However, this is much more evident with SB-E chips, where how a SB-E clocks memory is also related in a large way to how the CPU core clocks, too.

AMD memory controllers, really, are only meant to run 1600 MHz. 1866 MHz with 2 DIMMs only(which, technically, is an overclock when using 4 sticks).

well like I said in my "serious" post, it's not a bad CPU, it's just not as good as Intel's new generation quads. Persoanlly, if I already had all that, I'd look for a 8 core if I was to replace that quad.

well like I said in my "serious" post, it's not a bad CPU, it's just not as good as Intel's new generation quads. Persoanlly, if I already had all that, I'd look for a 8 core if I was to replace that quad.

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I got it - but seriously - the 8 core AMD (also Bulldozer I would assume) are as bad as the quads ..... so I would have to go the Intel way.....and that kind of money I dont have.....

Why not just bump up the CPU/NB voltage (which is the memory controller) and get things more stable at higher clocks?

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Say if you had all four DIMM slots populated and on an AMD motherboard (with a 2000 Mhz CPU/NB) would OCing the CPU/NB make up for the extra RAM being there? In other words, if I was intending to OC only using the CPU multiplier would bumping the CPU/NB 200-400 Mhz help compensate for all four DIMMs being filled?

Reason I ask is I upgraded to Win 7 last fall and filled all four slots (4x2GB) before I heard that having more than two filled would hurt OCing.

It doesn't really affect clocking THAT much. Maybe a couple hundred MHz at most, and that's a big maybe.

Clocking up the NB will help in performance, as the CPU_NB speed also kinda dictates the speed the memory controller runs at too., but the effects are similar to moving from say 1333 MHz ram up to 1866 MHz. Phenom chips seem to be good up to about 2800 MHz at the CPU_NB on average, with some chips going higher. FX chips don't seem to like much over 2600 MHz for 24/7 clocking(going subzero is a different story).

If you haven't clocked up the CPU_NB, you really should give it a try.