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Those are fair points. But I mean it’s kind of risky to hire someone who convinced of robbery. So maybe a job that’s not as much of a risk for robbery is good for them. It be like if someone convicted of drug charges went to work at a Pharmacy. Cause I’m not against them having jobs and it’s up to the people hiring rather to over look it. But you should have a right to know who you’re hiring and if they have been convicted of something that could be dangerous for your business.

I mean yeah that's a fair point too, but my main argument is that most people that commit crimes do so bc they feel that's the only way they can get money they need...so if it's harder for them to get a regular job they're just going to go right back to it. Now if they had a regular job that paid them enough then they'd probably not go back to crime. Obviously not the case for everyone, and I think everyone agrees with that, it's just where the line is that people have differences of opinion on.

Either way, not being allowed to vote like Deezy brought up is still dumb iMO, sure you don't have to let them vote from jail but once they've served their times I think they should be able to.

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I mean yeah that's a fair point too, but my main argument is that most people that commit crimes do so bc they feel that's the only way they can get money they need...so if it's harder for them to get a regular job they're just going to go right back to it. Now if they had a regular job that paid them enough then they'd probably not go back to crime. Obviously not the case for everyone, and I think everyone agrees with that, it's just where the line is that people have differences of opinion on.

Either way, not being allowed to vote like Deezy brought up is still dumb iMO, sure you don't have to let them vote from jail but once they've served their times I think they should be able to.

Now, what if it was someone who was convicted for stealing from their last job?

All of it's a really slippery slope, surely since sometimes people are put in jail for shit they didn't do, which could ruin a persons life forever. Thankfully they are people out there who will give them a chance, and hell like I said they are probably jobs you can do and be around stuff that isn't as hard to steal from also. Like doing phone calls and call center shit. You can probably steal shit from it, but nothing like money probably.

But I do agree on the voting stuff, like they deserve that right because no crime they could've done, could be bad enough for that.

Tho, don't you sometimes get those rights back? Cause I just looked it up and it seems some states you get it back right away, some after a certain time, and some states it depends on what you did or some shit.

Twenty one states (Alaska, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, Maryland, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Texas, Washington, West Virginia, and Wisconsin) do not allow persons convicted of a felony to vote while serving a sentence, but automatically restore the franchise to the person upon completion of a sentence.

Thirteen states (Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and Utah) plus the District of Columbia allow probationers and parolees to vote, but not inmates.

Five states (California, Colorado, Connecticut, New York, and South Dakota) allow probationers to vote, but not inmates or parolees.

Eight states (Alabama, Arizona, Delaware, Florida, Kentucky, Mississippi, Tennessee, and Wyoming) allow some, but not all, persons with felony convictions to vote after having completed their sentences.Some have qualifications of this: for example, Delaware does not restore the franchise until five years after release of a person. Similarly, Kentucky requires that the person take action to gain restoration of the franchise.

One state (Virginia) permanently disfranchises persons with felony convictions.

So, unless I'm reading that wrong...most states allow it. Just some not right away. So hell depending on when you get out you'll only miss like one or two elections at most probably.

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Now, what if it was someone who was convicted for stealing from their last job?

All of it's a really slippery slope, surely since sometimes people are put in jail for shit they didn't do, which could ruin a persons life forever. Thankfully they are people out there who will give them a chance, and hell like I said they are probably jobs you can do and be around stuff that isn't as hard to steal from also. Like doing phone calls and call center shit. You can probably steal shit from it, but nothing like money probably.

But I do agree on the voting stuff, like they deserve that right because no crime they could've done, could be bad enough for that.

Tho, don't you sometimes get those rights back? Cause I just looked it up and it seems some states you get it back right away, some after a certain time, and some states it depends on what you did or some shit.

Twenty one states (Alaska, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, Maryland, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Texas, Washington, West Virginia, and Wisconsin) do not allow persons convicted of a felony to vote while serving a sentence, but automatically restore the franchise to the person upon completion of a sentence.

Thirteen states (Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and Utah) plus the District of Columbia allow probationers and parolees to vote, but not inmates.

Five states (California, Colorado, Connecticut, New York, and South Dakota) allow probationers to vote, but not inmates or parolees.

Eight states (Alabama, Arizona, Delaware, Florida, Kentucky, Mississippi, Tennessee, and Wyoming) allow some, but not all, persons with felony convictions to vote after having completed their sentences.Some have qualifications of this: for example, Delaware does not restore the franchise until five years after release of a person. Similarly, Kentucky requires that the person take action to gain restoration of the franchise.

One state (Virginia) permanently disfranchises persons with felony convictions.

So, unless I'm reading that wrong...most states allow it. Just some not right away. So hell depending on when you get out you'll only miss like one or two elections at most probably.

I'm not gonna disagree with those facts bc I haven't done much research on it myself but I do know one of my friend's dad was in jail for awhile for meth dealing when he was young, but he's out and clean and living a good life but he says he still can't vote. IDK if he's just dumb and doesn't know the law or maybe you gotta go re-register and do some other shit at a court house that he just hasn't done, but from what I know, he isn't allowed to. And I'm in Texas, so like I said it could be on him not knowing the law in that case.

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I'm not gonna disagree with those facts bc I haven't done much research on it myself but I do know one of my friend's dad was in jail for awhile for meth dealing when he was young, but he's out and clean and living a good life but he says he still can't vote. IDK if he's just dumb and doesn't know the law or maybe you gotta go re-register and do some other shit at a court house that he just hasn't done, but from what I know, he isn't allowed to. And I'm in Texas, so like I said it could be on him not knowing the law in that case.