I main Jarvan, there has been countless times where a Vanye will tumble out my ulti or someone uses ghost and runs out.

PogoPower wrote:item shop... dont get me started on the item shop how complicated it isi uno man i just hated the gameplay, yeah it was more FAST pacedbut it just seemed like a poor man's dota, moba... to me

Honestly both item shops are terrible, you just have to get used to it.

PogoPower wrote:you cant like emote or do voice commands, i know you can laugh if you type lolbut how about dance? is there a dance command

i gotta be able to joke, taunt, dance and laugh

they made taunt a consumable item so people don't spam it all day. Serious question though, why do you need to be able to joke, taunt and dance? Dota 2 has things LoL doesn't such as the Chat wheel, and if you deny or kill a hero rival they will make a joke/taunt.

As for the other guy complaining about tanky dps, they are not really strong and the current main issue. Riot main issue is them releasing all these Bruisers with gap closers. This made AD carry champs ashe, Kogmaw and varrus really useless since they have no escape. If you look at streams, mostly everyone will play a ADC that has a escape such as Ezreal, Graves, etc. I'm surprised no one made mention of the "Meta-game" in LoL.

ds wrote:Anyways, LoL is a solid game. Good graphics, interesting character ideas. It's far more fun playing with friends against actual people than it is playing alone or against cpu.

Interesting character ideas?also any game is fun when playing with friends.

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SeventhSanctum wrote:You're probably trolling anyways if you aren't then I can't believe you're this stupid. Have a nice day.

oh cool bro u just called me stupid

and no am actually not trolling and like i said beforemy goal isnt to just flame this gamei actually wanna enjoy it, why else would i fucken waste like 3 gbs durp

there's no way to distingish heroes from the playerother then they look different

i think in league you can see the name of the person on topso i mean that's good

I think it's better if you play alot more of dota2 before starting to criticize its elements, You have to realize that coming from alot of playing League of Legends you've picked up alot of expectations to be there by default and when it's handled different by another game doesn't mean it's worse, just that it's different. Be constructive when thinking critically, explain why you think certain things. The reasons there are no nametags above the hero might be because people normally doesn't reference their teammates or opponents by their nickname, but instead by the hero name. If you're playing with a friend you can easily see which hero they picked by bringing up the score tab, or just asking them. By not having names above the heroes it frees up screenspace that could potentially distract the players perhaps.

Evilvito wrote:they made taunt a consumable item so people don't spam it all day. Serious question though, why do you need to be able to joke, taunt and dance? Dota 2 has things LoL doesn't such as the Chat wheel, and if you deny or kill a hero rival they will make a joke/taunt.

well... i can spam the ping all day lol

however regardless of such a minor thing... it makes the game A WHOLE LOT more fun!an example of this would be SPRAYS in COUNTER-STRIKE... GO never had themfucken morons

xenderFTW wrote:There are tons of streams and live streams on twitch from high elo players. Go watch them.

Also :

[img]http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/1950/39185714.png[ /img]

Im not a high elo player, yet but I've been playing elise full ap and jungle ap and never had problems agaisnt tanky dps. My losses are rage quitter and my fuck ups for being greedy, but other than that, its easy to win a match with any kind of champ be it tanky or be it squishy. Team comps matter a lot. YOu need a dps if you're going to have a tanky jungler because tanky junglers cant carry games and vice versa, a tanky top if you're a carry jungler such as elise. mid and bot are mostly squishies so I dont see your point.

YOu can do well with a recently released power creep champ that most people regarded as overpowered.

Now a question for you... in any of those games did you have tanky-dps champs on your team? I'll bet the answer is yes.

Get off the tanky dps thing man. There are ap, AND ad items that directly counter tanky dps by doing % damage to them. With enough attack speed on say teemo you destroy tanky dps in seconds. There's a counter to everything, if you're getting beaten constantly by tanky dps then you need to learn that counter.

None of those items work nearly as well as simply being a tanky dps and plowing.

And isn't it a bit telling that there are items specifically made to deal % based damage? If tanky DPS weren't an issue this class of item would have no place in the game.

WIth enough attack speed on teemo you will still have to hit the properly itemized tanky dps (yes they can buy items too) dozens of times with auto-attacks.

Counter to everything huh? How about vaynes % health based true damage, HOW DO I COUNTER THAT ZORLAC?

xenderFTW wrote:There are tons of streams and live streams on twitch from high elo players. Go watch them.

Also :

[img]http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/1950/39185714.png[ /img]

Im not a high elo player, yet but I've been playing elise full ap and jungle ap and never had problems agaisnt tanky dps. My losses are rage quitter and my fuck ups for being greedy, but other than that, its easy to win a match with any kind of champ be it tanky or be it squishy. Team comps matter a lot. YOu need a dps if you're going to have a tanky jungler because tanky junglers cant carry games and vice versa, a tanky top if you're a carry jungler such as elise. mid and bot are mostly squishies so I dont see your point.

YOu can do well with a recently released power creep champ that most people regarded as overpowered.

Now a question for you... in any of those games did you have tanky-dps champs on your team? I'll bet the answer is yes.

Get off the tanky dps thing man. There are ap, AND ad items that directly counter tanky dps by doing % damage to them. With enough attack speed on say teemo you destroy tanky dps in seconds. There's a counter to everything, if you're getting beaten constantly by tanky dps then you need to learn that counter.

xenderFTW wrote:There are tons of streams and live streams on twitch from high elo players. Go watch them.

Also :

[img]http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/1950/39185714.png[ /img]

Im not a high elo player, yet but I've been playing elise full ap and jungle ap and never had problems agaisnt tanky dps. My losses are rage quitter and my fuck ups for being greedy, but other than that, its easy to win a match with any kind of champ be it tanky or be it squishy. Team comps matter a lot. YOu need a dps if you're going to have a tanky jungler because tanky junglers cant carry games and vice versa, a tanky top if you're a carry jungler such as elise. mid and bot are mostly squishies so I dont see your point.

YOu can do well with a recently released power creep champ that most people regarded as overpowered.

Now a question for you... in any of those games did you have tanky-dps champs on your team? I'll bet the answer is yes.

Get off the tanky dps thing man. There are ap, AND ad items that directly counter tanky dps by doing % damage to them. With enough attack speed on say teemo you destroy tanky dps in seconds. There's a counter to everything, if you're getting beaten constantly by tanky dps then you need to learn that counter.

None of those items work nearly as well as simply being a tanky dps and plowing.

And isn't it a bit telling that there are items specifically made to deal % based damage? If tanky DPS weren't an issue this class of item would have no place in the game.

WIth enough attack speed on teemo you will still have to hit the properly itemized tanky dps (yes they can buy items too) dozens of times with auto-attacks.

Counter to everything huh? How about vaynes % health based true damage, HOW DO I COUNTER THAT ZORLAC?

xenderFTW wrote:There are tons of streams and live streams on twitch from high elo players. Go watch them.

Also :

[img]http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/1950/39185714.png[ /img]

Im not a high elo player, yet but I've been playing elise full ap and jungle ap and never had problems agaisnt tanky dps. My losses are rage quitter and my fuck ups for being greedy, but other than that, its easy to win a match with any kind of champ be it tanky or be it squishy. Team comps matter a lot. YOu need a dps if you're going to have a tanky jungler because tanky junglers cant carry games and vice versa, a tanky top if you're a carry jungler such as elise. mid and bot are mostly squishies so I dont see your point.

YOu can do well with a recently released power creep champ that most people regarded as overpowered.

Now a question for you... in any of those games did you have tanky-dps champs on your team? I'll bet the answer is yes.

Get off the tanky dps thing man. There are ap, AND ad items that directly counter tanky dps by doing % damage to them. With enough attack speed on say teemo you destroy tanky dps in seconds. There's a counter to everything, if you're getting beaten constantly by tanky dps then you need to learn that counter.

None of those items work nearly as well as simply being a tanky dps and plowing.

And isn't it a bit telling that there are items specifically made to deal % based damage? If tanky DPS weren't an issue this class of item would have no place in the game.

WIth enough attack speed on teemo you will still have to hit the properly itemized tanky dps (yes they can buy items too) dozens of times with auto-attacks.

Counter to everything huh? How about vaynes % health based true damage, HOW DO I COUNTER THAT ZORLAC?

Whats the counter to tanky-dps? Be tanky-dps.

You really have no clue what you're talking about man. Seriously, just give it up.

xenderFTW wrote:There are tons of streams and live streams on twitch from high elo players. Go watch them.

Also :

[img]http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/1950/39185714.png[ /img]

Im not a high elo player, yet but I've been playing elise full ap and jungle ap and never had problems agaisnt tanky dps. My losses are rage quitter and my fuck ups for being greedy, but other than that, its easy to win a match with any kind of champ be it tanky or be it squishy. Team comps matter a lot. YOu need a dps if you're going to have a tanky jungler because tanky junglers cant carry games and vice versa, a tanky top if you're a carry jungler such as elise. mid and bot are mostly squishies so I dont see your point.

YOu can do well with a recently released power creep champ that most people regarded as overpowered.

Now a question for you... in any of those games did you have tanky-dps champs on your team? I'll bet the answer is yes.

Get off the tanky dps thing man. There are ap, AND ad items that directly counter tanky dps by doing % damage to them. With enough attack speed on say teemo you destroy tanky dps in seconds. There's a counter to everything, if you're getting beaten constantly by tanky dps then you need to learn that counter.

None of those items work nearly as well as simply being a tanky dps and plowing.

And isn't it a bit telling that there are items specifically made to deal % based damage? If tanky DPS weren't an issue this class of item would have no place in the game.

WIth enough attack speed on teemo you will still have to hit the properly itemized tanky dps (yes they can buy items too) dozens of times with auto-attacks.

Counter to everything huh? How about vaynes % health based true damage, HOW DO I COUNTER THAT ZORLAC?

Whats the counter to tanky-dps? Be tanky-dps.

you counter vanye by picking a aoe type champions such as Karthus. Also vanye has a crap lane phase, just harass her. Tanky dps do play a role but LoL has other problems in balancing other then Tanky dps.

I main Jarvan, there has been countless times where a Vanye will tumble out my ulti or someone uses ghost and runs out.

PogoPower wrote:item shop... dont get me started on the item shop how complicated it isi uno man i just hated the gameplay, yeah it was more FAST pacedbut it just seemed like a poor man's dota, moba... to me

Honestly both item shops are terrible, you just have to get used to it.

PogoPower wrote:you cant like emote or do voice commands, i know you can laugh if you type lolbut how about dance? is there a dance command

i gotta be able to joke, taunt, dance and laugh

they made taunt a consumable item so people don't spam it all day. Serious question though, why do you need to be able to joke, taunt and dance? Dota 2 has things LoL doesn't such as the Chat wheel, and if you deny or kill a hero rival they will make a joke/taunt.

As for the other guy complaining about tanky dps, they are not really strong and the current main issue. Riot main issue is them releasing all these Bruisers with gap closers. This made AD carry champs ashe, Kogmaw and varrus really useless since they have no escape. If you look at streams, mostly everyone will play a ADC that has a escape such as Ezreal, Graves, etc. I'm surprised no one made mention of the "Meta-game" in LoL.

ds wrote:Anyways, LoL is a solid game. Good graphics, interesting character ideas. It's far more fun playing with friends against actual people than it is playing alone or against cpu.

Interesting character ideas?also any game is fun when playing with friends.

Here is someone who says Bruisers with gap closers is an issue.. another way of saying that is... Tanky-DPS with mobility.

xenderFTW wrote:There are tons of streams and live streams on twitch from high elo players. Go watch them.

Also :

[img]http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/1950/39185714.png[ /img]

Im not a high elo player, yet but I've been playing elise full ap and jungle ap and never had problems agaisnt tanky dps. My losses are rage quitter and my fuck ups for being greedy, but other than that, its easy to win a match with any kind of champ be it tanky or be it squishy. Team comps matter a lot. YOu need a dps if you're going to have a tanky jungler because tanky junglers cant carry games and vice versa, a tanky top if you're a carry jungler such as elise. mid and bot are mostly squishies so I dont see your point.

YOu can do well with a recently released power creep champ that most people regarded as overpowered.

Now a question for you... in any of those games did you have tanky-dps champs on your team? I'll bet the answer is yes.

Get off the tanky dps thing man. There are ap, AND ad items that directly counter tanky dps by doing % damage to them. With enough attack speed on say teemo you destroy tanky dps in seconds. There's a counter to everything, if you're getting beaten constantly by tanky dps then you need to learn that counter.

None of those items work nearly as well as simply being a tanky dps and plowing.

And isn't it a bit telling that there are items specifically made to deal % based damage? If tanky DPS weren't an issue this class of item would have no place in the game.

WIth enough attack speed on teemo you will still have to hit the properly itemized tanky dps (yes they can buy items too) dozens of times with auto-attacks.

Counter to everything huh? How about vaynes % health based true damage, HOW DO I COUNTER THAT ZORLAC?

Whats the counter to tanky-dps? Be tanky-dps.

you counter vanye by picking a aoe type champions such as Karthus. Also vanye has a crap lane phase, just harass her. Tanky dps do play a role but LoL has other problems in balancing other then Tanky dps.

xenderFTW wrote:There are tons of streams and live streams on twitch from high elo players. Go watch them.

Also :

[img]http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/1950/39185714.png[ /img]

Im not a high elo player, yet but I've been playing elise full ap and jungle ap and never had problems agaisnt tanky dps. My losses are rage quitter and my fuck ups for being greedy, but other than that, its easy to win a match with any kind of champ be it tanky or be it squishy. Team comps matter a lot. YOu need a dps if you're going to have a tanky jungler because tanky junglers cant carry games and vice versa, a tanky top if you're a carry jungler such as elise. mid and bot are mostly squishies so I dont see your point.

YOu can do well with a recently released power creep champ that most people regarded as overpowered.

Now a question for you... in any of those games did you have tanky-dps champs on your team? I'll bet the answer is yes.

Get off the tanky dps thing man. There are ap, AND ad items that directly counter tanky dps by doing % damage to them. With enough attack speed on say teemo you destroy tanky dps in seconds. There's a counter to everything, if you're getting beaten constantly by tanky dps then you need to learn that counter.

None of those items work nearly as well as simply being a tanky dps and plowing.

And isn't it a bit telling that there are items specifically made to deal % based damage? If tanky DPS weren't an issue this class of item would have no place in the game.

WIth enough attack speed on teemo you will still have to hit the properly itemized tanky dps (yes they can buy items too) dozens of times with auto-attacks.

Counter to everything huh? How about vaynes % health based true damage, HOW DO I COUNTER THAT ZORLAC?

Whats the counter to tanky-dps? Be tanky-dps.

You really have no clue what you're talking about man. Seriously, just give it up.

xenderFTW wrote:There are tons of streams and live streams on twitch from high elo players. Go watch them.

Also :

[img]http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/1950/39185714.png[ /img]

Im not a high elo player, yet but I've been playing elise full ap and jungle ap and never had problems agaisnt tanky dps. My losses are rage quitter and my fuck ups for being greedy, but other than that, its easy to win a match with any kind of champ be it tanky or be it squishy. Team comps matter a lot. YOu need a dps if you're going to have a tanky jungler because tanky junglers cant carry games and vice versa, a tanky top if you're a carry jungler such as elise. mid and bot are mostly squishies so I dont see your point.

YOu can do well with a recently released power creep champ that most people regarded as overpowered.

Now a question for you... in any of those games did you have tanky-dps champs on your team? I'll bet the answer is yes.

Get off the tanky dps thing man. There are ap, AND ad items that directly counter tanky dps by doing % damage to them. With enough attack speed on say teemo you destroy tanky dps in seconds. There's a counter to everything, if you're getting beaten constantly by tanky dps then you need to learn that counter.

None of those items work nearly as well as simply being a tanky dps and plowing.

And isn't it a bit telling that there are items specifically made to deal % based damage? If tanky DPS weren't an issue this class of item would have no place in the game.

WIth enough attack speed on teemo you will still have to hit the properly itemized tanky dps (yes they can buy items too) dozens of times with auto-attacks.

Counter to everything huh? How about vaynes % health based true damage, HOW DO I COUNTER THAT ZORLAC?

Whats the counter to tanky-dps? Be tanky-dps.

You really have no clue what you're talking about man. Seriously, just give it up.

No counter argument so you are resorting to ridicule.

I've posted it 3 times already in this thread. I play LoL daily in ranked matches. I've played nearly every day since beta. I've told you multiple times that you're wrong about tanky dps, especially in ranked matches. At this point there's no point in repeating myself to you because you've made it clear that you don't care what anyone says and that you're sticking with your misinformed statement. Facts/ridicule. Call it what you will, but you're wrong.

Counter to health based true damage none,but,the way that damage is distributed u can counter,she gets that damge via 3 auto attacks,slowing thos auto attacks makes it harder for her to kill you or anyone else,many items can do this frozen heart and randuins also some cahmps have attack speed debuffs,eg nunu snowball another easy way to stop the 3 auto attakcs kill her quicker...thats where a ap carry helps.

You see vanye and other ads generally counter those tanky dps u say are so op,but aps generally kill the ad but cant kill tanks, this game has a counter to nearly everything.

Now zorlac is right u cant really judge this game fully in 4 hours,the game has too many champs and the different set ups of these champs with different builds creates nearly infinite possibilities.

But u can decide if you like the principle aka the moba genre,do you like the camera angle,number of skills,base defence gameplay,the team based nature( nearly all league players hate this )

I ahvent palyed dota2 so cant judge,but i find it intimidating cause all champs from start is overkill,i cant learn that stuff(as with league infinite combos,but on league new palyers are limited to small number,so for first few games most likely vs same champs).The champ colour thing also a problem,for new comers the map is really dark and hard to distinguish the characters.None of that makes it a worse game,i think it looks a lot better personally but makes it harder for me to learn it.

Also season 3 is out so it meta more based round tanky dps built non tanky aka full dps,played same style as ap really(nearly all tank items nurfed in some way) .

Borstis wrote:I agree with zorlac, 4 hours isn't nearly enough to get into these kind of games.

Yeah I also agree.4 hours is enough to get a general idea of the gameplay, but it's nowhere near getting an understanding of all the depth and mechanichs...

No... I'm on Finn's side on this. You just said it yourself. You understand the core elements and ideas in 4 hours, and if you don't like it, you don't like it. Don't act like it's this great game with depth that requires 100+ hours to understand it completely (tactics and competitive is a different story). There are difference heroes that have different abilities. It's not a hard concept to grasp. If the guy didn't like it after the 4 hours he spent in both Dota and LoL, then why do you care? He didn't like it, he didn't like it... meh.