Mark Jacobs and his cohorts at City State Entertainment announces a Kickstarter for Camelot Unchained, "a counter-revolutionary RvR-focused" MMORPG, saying the new game from the Dark Age of Camelot originator will be set in a post-apocalyptic "yet familiar" world. They say "The project's core concept encompasses three primary elements, Tri-Realm RvR, housing and a true player-owned economy built upon a rich crafting system," and they seek $2 million to realize their plan. "Camelot Unchained isn't a game with something for everyone," said Mark Jacobs. "Instead, we're aiming it at a niche audience of dedicated RvR-focused MMORPG players. We've tried very hard to incorporate our community's ideas and suggestions into our pledge rewards, even going as far as show the preliminary tiers in order to get feedback before the start of our Kickstarter."

I'm torn on this one. Definitely loved DAoC. Was not a fan of Jacobs though. Would love to see an RVR MMO again, especially with a 'familiar' fantasy setting. But would need to find people to get together with again to actually make that fun.Like the player based crafting economy. But then some of these 'founders points' rewards make it sound like it's going to have some freemium pay to win options?I think if I was to actually go into this one, I'd go for broke and hit the internal testing tier (if it was still available when I make a decision)... is about the only way I think I'd really get myself invested in an MMO again. But then I don't know if I really want to do that anymore these days.

xsorus wrote on Apr 2, 2013, 20:31:I play GW2 WvW, you can even look my videos up on youtube and I can safely say that GW2 is a pale shadow of what DAOC and Warhammer Online were... GW2 is basically a pimple on Warhammer Online ass....and doesn't remotely come close to DAOC.

Coming from a person that has 1 previous post from 2003 defending Mythic for suing Microsoft... I'm sure many will take your opinion with a grain of salt, and may even suspect you of being a Mythic or Former Mythic Employee.

Not a Mythic employee nor have I been...but i've played Mythic games, and i've played GW2 (hence my videos).. so my opinion on the subject is a bit better then a random tard monkey called wtf_man

xsorus wrote on Apr 2, 2013, 20:31:I play GW2 WvW, you can even look my videos up on youtube and I can safely say that GW2 is a pale shadow of what DAOC and Warhammer Online were... GW2 is basically a pimple on Warhammer Online ass....and doesn't remotely come close to DAOC.

Coming from a person that has 1 previous post from 2003 defending Mythic for suing Microsoft... I'm sure many will take your opinion with a grain of salt, and may even suspect you of being a Mythic or Former Mythic Employee.

"Did you even read cutters post or are you just suffering from rectal cranial inversion." - RedEye9

Bosanac wrote on Apr 2, 2013, 18:30:No, GW2 doesn't have a 'hold' on 3 realm RvR. Its a half assed, poorly executed, no metagame ripoff of DAoC.

I'm going to assume you haven't played any GW2 WvW in some time. These days people bitch about there being to much meta lol.

I play GW2 WvW, you can even look my videos up on youtube and I can safely say that GW2 is a pale shadow of what DAOC and Warhammer Online were... GW2 is basically a pimple on Warhammer Online ass....and doesn't remotely come close to DAOC.

After a blitz of research, Mark has gone very much out of his way to answer questions and provide a boatload of information in a variety of formats regarding this endeavor.

My first reaction was very much skepticism but i think he addressed past concerns in a lot of the "Foundation Principles". Furthermore, i've yet to see him contradict himself in individual posts (which he is freely doing all over the place).

I'm adult enough to realize, however, that a lot of the things that hurt/burn on prior projects of his were a matter of business reality. I didnt like the decisions of the time and i dont like em today. But in reality how far do you throw the culpability? Mark isnt the only 1 or 2 or 50 developers saying "Publishers can suck my left nut". Excuse? I have no idea.

The question to me was, is kickstarter and no publisher interference a new reality. I'm more than able and willing to give the guy a shot. I do so realizing that this 50$ contrib is probably going down the drain. But if he delivers on the vision... the vision of no stupid publisher dumbing it down... yah, sorry i can't help myself.

If the reality is "developer messed it up, publishers are actually a good thing" i guess time will tell.

Yes DAoC is that beloved. Yes many still consider DAoC to be the best PvP MMO. No, GW2 doesn't have a 'hold' on 3 realm RvR. Its a half assed, poorly executed, no metagame ripoff of DAoC. They overpromised and under delivered on that. And they focus too much on PvE and making it a gear grindfest to dedicate the proper time to a PvP end game.

EA sweet talks a lot of people with money. He learned his lesson there. Games Workshop is probably in the top 3 biggest POS companies in gaming and their deadline and lack of any understanding of MMO's forced Mythic to release WAR over a year before they wanted to.

People have rose colored classes when it comes to DAoC's PvP. Everyone remembers the good times but nobody seems to remember the mass pbaoe stun zergs and the constant nerfing that went on, some classes even being completely altered. I could never stand playing the game more than a month or two at the time because of it. The term Flavor of the Month wasn't coined in DAoC without reason.

I also think Mark Jacobs got a bit to puffed up with WAR, though perhaps that game has also taught him a lesson in humility. Time will tell.

Gas Bandit wrote on Apr 2, 2013, 15:50:Hrm, it's hard to be excited about this, I think Guild Wars 2 has a firm hold on the 3-faction RvR niche, I can't imagine wanting to go back to paying a subscription fee when GW2 is already paid for forever.

Hrm, it's hard to be excited about this, I think Guild Wars 2 has a firm hold on the 3-faction RvR niche, I can't imagine wanting to go back to paying a subscription fee when GW2 is already paid for forever.