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The only advantage of Wayland seems to be to get rid of some old APIs in X which are not used in modern programs.

Well you START OUT with a TOTALLY HYPERBOLIC lie and then it just GOES ON.

This is making things more complicated instead of simpler.

EGAD the point is to SIMPLIFY THE RENDERING PROCESS. Separate OUT the legacy X code and put it in an environment WHERE IT CAN STILL RUN AT FULL EFFICIENCY.

Imagine moving a window of a running movie player from a mobile device to the TV when coming home... or all kinds of interactions which could be designed when people could move the windows of their computers to a common display

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE TRAIN HAS LEFT THE RAILS

YES INDEED HE PROPOSES USING REMOTE X DISPLAY AS A WAY TO DISPLAY REMOTE VIDEO.

X Windows DOES NOT NEED an ADVOCATE. EVERYONE hates it, starting with THE PEOPLE WHO WROTE IT.

IT NEVER WORKED RIGHT. Network display in a desktop environment is a CROCK. WHOSE D-BUS are you talking to? WHY? Does it make ANY SENSE? Shooting the clipboard contents over the network for NO REASON! 3-D doesn't work, it has NEVER worked, it NEVER WILL WORK. Transparency SUCKS! HOW MUCH CRAP do you have to shove back and forth over the network to make your fantasy work? NOT ENOUGH, because it STILL doesn't work right.

OpenGL and Remote X: a match made in HELL

X Windows API is chock full of asynchronous APIs: "Do this when you get around to it, I have other stuff to do in the meantime"

OpenGL is chock full of synchronous APIs: "Do this RIGHT NOW and I will wait until you are done"

WELCOME to HELL. This is WHY X Windows is DOOMED on the desktop. Its asynchronous, queued, remote-event-driven API is NONSENSE when you have SUPER-DUPER fast graphics hardware locally. There is NO POINT to queuing graphics primitives that take longer to enqueue than it does to JUST DRAW THEM IMMEDIATELY.

Oh but NO, we have to put up with CRAPPY delayed GRAPHICS because there are WHINERS out there who think that "remote X" is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but when you ask them, "do you actually USE remote X" they say "well, it's okay, but the interactive response is so miserable, I just set up VNC instead and now I can get my work done better".

Kill x windows kill it now

Years and years and years of user interface research tells us that the way to a better user experience is to make it more immediate. Respond quickly and interactively. Interpretation and response to user gestures requires rapid and immediate processing.

But here we are in 2012, and the linux desktop community treats its display devices as if they were on the other end of a network connection.

NO WONDER linux has lost the destop war. They didn't even show up, they just "phoned it in".

IMHO this is better, as with X, if you lose your connection to a remote server, all your apps running remotly die.
As the apps on the remote machine will be running under the remote machines local Wayland server, the apps won't lose connection to the server