I was pulling for a late push for the 3rd slot a week or so back. Now these guys are sitting at 5 and could get worse/better (depends on how you look at it).

Ugh.

Hey, any of you draft experts have access to this data:Since the inception of the lottery, what draft slot ended up securing the magical first pick.

In other words, something like thisFirst slot got it twice,Second slot got it three timesThird slot, onceetc...

Would be interested in seeing that... I know what the statistical probabilities are...Just wondering what the actual experimental probability is (Experimental probability: instead of saying flipping a coin is a 50% probability, I actually flip a coin 100 times and find out how many heads there are).

"The nose of the bulldog has been slanted backwards so that he can breathe without letting go." -- Winston Churchill

Well I did ESPN's draft machine 37 times before it came up Anthony Davis to the Cavs. I got MKG to the Cavs 7 times though (6 at #2 and 1 at #3), Beal once, and Drummond once.. So there's some Experimental Probability for you.

OldDawg wrote:I was pulling for a late push for the 3rd slot a week or so back. Now these guys are sitting at 5 and could get worse/better (depends on how you look at it).

Ugh.

Hey, any of you draft experts have access to this data:Since the inception of the lottery, what draft slot ended up securing the magical first pick.

In other words, something like thisFirst slot got it twice,Second slot got it three timesThird slot, onceetc...

Would be interested in seeing that... I know what the statistical probabilities are...Just wondering what the actual experimental probability is (Experimental probability: instead of saying flipping a coin is a 50% probability, I actually flip a coin 100 times and find out how many heads there are).

Thanks. That is what I was looking for.So statistical probability says the 3rd slot is only 3-4% better.However, this data says the #3 spot is 5 times more likely to get the first pick.In fact, the #3 seed has a better chance than the one spot.While the 4 spot is just as likely as the 11 spot.

Or, we can think that the #4 spot is statistically overdue to get the first pick.Yeah. I am going with that.

"The nose of the bulldog has been slanted backwards so that he can breathe without letting go." -- Winston Churchill

We need the number 4 seed since that seed will be getting the first pick this time.

I don't care what those stats geeks that cry about "independent events" say, the #4 seed is overdue.

Not to mention the fact that when I thought of this I also saw a guy wearing a #4 Browns jersey at the top of this page and he looked happy. It is karma and we need the #4 seed plus Dan Gilbert's kid. What's not to like?

StewieG wrote:In another universe the Cavs have Irving and Valanciunas, with a really good shot at adding one of Davis/Beal/MKG/Robinson. Damn you TT.

I don't think a verdict can be made yet as to whether the Cavs made the right choice taking Thompson over Valanciunas or even Enes Kanter.

Playing in the NBA is a lot different then playing overseas. I do expect Jonas to be a good big man in the league but you never until he faces NBA big men every night. A lot of fans also wanted the Cavs to take Kanter with that pick and right now I think TT has more potential then him.

A lot of fans also wanted the Cavs to take Kanter with that pick and right now I think TT has more potential then him.

I don't necessarily agree with that. Just because TT is more athletic doesn't mean he has more potential. Kanter's ceiling is Pau/Marc Gasol. Not the greatest of athlete but technically sound and plays smart and knows how to rebound; Kanter is already a monster rebounder. TT's is harder to define but I see his ceiling as a Josh Smith-type (minus being a headcase) of a mostly defensive player with some dunk/putback/alley-oop potential but with relatively zero offensive game aside from that. He will probably settle more into the mold of another TT, Tyrus Thomas.

OldDawg wrote:Dont look now but the Hornets have 19 wins and the Cavs still have 20. Kings have 20 Ws too,We are looking at 3rd, 4th or 5th spot.We need to tank... get me some more ping pong balls.

Kings and Hornets need to win some games!!

Seems like we're gonna land at 5, maybe sneak in to 4. Nice work falling behind the group clustered around 22 wins. For a while there it looked like we might be picking 7-10th.

I dunno. Hornets have won 4 in a row (6 of last 8). And the Kings are on a monster one game win streak. We just need the Cavs to do their part and suck. And do it well.

Cavs have 7 games to play. (Wizzards and Pistons possible Ws)Kings have 5 games to play. (Bobcats a more-than-possible W)Hornets have 5 games to play. (Warriors a more-than-possible W)

There will come a day, (if not already) when two teams tied for the worst record in their sport will play the final game of the season. Man, what a tank-fest that would be. In hoops, the score might be in the 50s.

"The nose of the bulldog has been slanted backwards so that he can breathe without letting go." -- Winston Churchill

Shouldnt be too difficult, we could end up sitting pretty maybe 3, the DC game should be some solid watchable BBall. Everyone left on the schedule should be a L other than the Wiz, which mite be a coin flip.

Ah, April, when tanking for lotto picks or cruise controlling into the playoffs means 99% of the Association doesn't give a shit and chucklefucks like Melo can put up gaudy numbers to make the sycophants in the media believe they actually really do care.

"The fucking Who...... If I want to watch old people run around ill go set fire to a nursing home." - CDT

Well, New Orleans won again. So that leaves them, Sac and us all with 20 wins. My worry now is maintaining #4 seed. I have a feeling it's going to get the 1st pick in the draft and Davis. So that's the one we need.

Talking about #4, who is that little guy in the Browns outfit at the top of the screen wearing #4? Is that Dan Gilbert's kid?

In the event that teams finish with the same record, each tied team receives the average of the total number of combinations for the positions that they occupy. In 2007, the Minnesota Timberwolves and the Portland Trail Blazers tied for the sixth worst record. The average of the 6th and 7th positions in the lottery was taken, resulting in each team getting 53 combinations (the average of 63 and 43). Should the average number not be an integer, a coin flip is then used to determine which team or teams receive the extra combination(s). The result of the coin flip is also used to determine who receives the earlier pick in the event that neither of the tied teams wins one of the first three picks via the lottery.

Not sure how they do a three-way coin flip... I am sure they have a way.

"The nose of the bulldog has been slanted backwards so that he can breathe without letting go." -- Winston Churchill

Nice game by Manny Harris last night - knocking down 3's, driving to the hole, and rebounding. It looks like he's finally recovered from the foot injury in training camp and found his game. He might challenge Boobie for that backup 2 guard spot next year.

Prosecutor wrote:Nice game by Manny Harris last night - knocking down 3's, driving to the hole, and rebounding. It looks like he's finally recovered from the foot injury in training camp and found his game. He might challenge Boobie for that backup 2 guard spot next year.

Christ.

Challenge Boobie Gibson.

Boobie Gibson stinks. Actually playing games has a little bit to do with how good you are. OK shooter, but not even real good. Tries hard on defense, but just too small for many, can't dribble, can't pass and again, you can pencil him in for half a season on the IL.

Add it all up and you've got yourself a guy that's wasting a roster space.

And if Manny Harris is even on the team next year, well, that's bad news - cause he stinks too.

The Hornets won last night and the Cavs are now tied with them along with Sacramento. If we just lose our last 2, we'd get a minimum of the three way average of 15.6%, 11.9%, and 8.8%, which comes out to 12.1%. The final game opponents of the Hornets and Kings (Rockets and Lakers respectively) also have zero to play for at this point. We could get lucky and slide into the #3 spot for 15.6%. I'm sure we'll win tonight and screw it up though.

"Well then I guess there's only one thing left to do...win the whole, f***in', thing."- Jake Taylor