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I watched the first two shows last night and had a ballin good time, blown away by the main character, and even though I knew early on that the captain would have to step down it was exactly the kind of sci-fi adventure I like, except for the Klingons, who came across as just too bad, with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

Yeah, I'm entirely with SubJeff on this one. I've now watched the first two episodes and I liked them a lot, even if they're far from perfect. If TV Star Trek is to have a future, I think it's in this rather than in nostalgia-going-on-necrophilia dressed up as fandom. The Borg are as played out as the old-school (well, new old-school) Klingons were. If they were to bring them back, IMO they ought to do so by making them new, and that wouldn't please the people calling for this.

If you don't like Andorians, maybe. Personally, I thought it was speciesist

Always looking out for the little guy, I like that about you, Renz, even if you refuse to allow my alt account to log in. Doesn't seem right, given how much money I dumped into your Pay-Pal account, as per your PM's. I've seen the first two episodes, and have to echo the "it was alright, but not great" reviews. I'm going to keep watching, but I'm not holding my breath. Going to re-watch tonight. (hopefully) I think I will enjoy them both more the second time around, we'll see.

Maybe you don't have your alt account because I'm not yet satisfied with the payments provided, Montag. You think of that?

Dude, my Pay-Pal account is drained! I mean I'm just saying, if you are going to make a deal, at least stay with it. TTLG'ers please ignore this, you can totally trust Renzatic to honor his word if he agrees to let you make an alt-account to post troll-like posts, even if he demands huge sums of money to do so.

That's where a VPN can come in handy, or reading the comments prior. I make a habit of always doing that just in case. Didn't have that problem with Discovery. Only ever got 1 DMCA email and that was for downloading a cam version of some movie that had come out. I steered clear of cam versions after that.

I've thought about it, but with most everything I want being streamed over Netflix and Amazon, I just haven't felt the need to bother with it yet.

And you wanna know what the real kicker was? I have Directv Now, which means I had access to Fox Now at the time. I only realized after the fact that I didn't even have to download The Orville to watch it.