Everyone thinks I'm nuts, but they're good for skeet shots, 16 yard trap, short handicap (to at least 20 yards) trap, first shot of doubles trap, and several 5 stand and sporting birds that are close shots. I've posted several 100s with 7/8 oz of 9s from the 16 yard line and truly enjoy the light felt recoil. Know that there are 512 #9 sized pellets in a 7/8 oz load.....breakemall....Bob Dodd