How is it legal for India to refuse to play Tests against Pakistan at any venue?

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How is it legal for India to refuse to play Tests against Pakistan at any venue?

Just wondering how is it possible for India to refuse play us at any venue , home, neutral or away? Especially considering the fact that we are all ranked by same test team ranking.

So, would it be fair, if Pakistan just refused playing South Africa anywhere or Australia?

How could India get away with discriminating against us for so long? We could play at any venue and by boycotting us are the rankings even fair. Two teams in top 6 ( both been no 1 in last year) have not played in years?

What logic does India use that makes it ok for them to jsut refusing playing Pakistan in Dubai, Lanka etc?

Also out team went there in 2013 and thent20 wc 2016 and we play in major tournaments so how come they pick and choose what to play with us. Who gets the authority and why?

Not saying India ranking in danger if they play pak. I think India would beat us in most venues on current form. But this makes no sense

Because the ICC doesn't do anything. It's not a governing body. There was a detailed piece about it not so long ago.

The BCCI does as it pleases and India as a nation is too extreme to even allow the PCB chairman to hold negotiations without being attacked. In all honesty, I don't think Pkaistan should ever agree to play in India until a fully fledged national apology is offered by the Indian government and BCCI for the situation and contracts are signed for India to then tour Pakistan.

Because the ICC doesn't do anything. It's not a governing body. There was a detailed piece about it not so long ago.

The BCCI does as it pleases and India as a nation is too extreme to even allow the PCB chairman to hold negotiations without being attacked. In all honesty, I don't think Pkaistan should ever agree to play in India until a fully fledged national apology is offered by the Indian government and BCCI for the situation and contracts are signed for India to then tour Pakistan.

How come everyone lets it pass? This is so hypocritical and cruel. Like if it is up to govt, how come its ok to play with us in WC or Champions trophy? Forget the signed contracts and money, how can they get away and get no 1 ranking when who knows Yasir could have rolled them in UAE. If both parties didnt want to play, maybe little understandable but its so one sided

How come everyone lets it pass? This is so hypocritical and cruel. Like if it is up to govt, how come its ok to play with us in WC or Champions trophy? Forget the signed contracts and money, how can they get away and get no 1 ranking when who knows Yasir could have rolled them in UAE. If both parties didnt want to play, maybe little understandable but its so one sided

How come other super powers like AUS or SA or ENG say nothing ?

It's the biggest problem with the way international cricket is scheduled. Tours are agreed bilaterally so it's up to the two teams to agree to play each other, the ICC can't force them to play. It's why Australia haven't played a test against Bangladesh in ten years and it's been almost 15 years since they played Zimbabwe.

It's also why the idea of an ICC Test Championship is completely idiotic, teams don't play a balanced schedule so it's completely pointless. You can have a big "Championship" test at Lords or whatever but because the ICC Rankings are so flawed, the end result is the crowning of a paper champion.

What Pakistan did to Zimbabwe was disgraceful and they should be the last people complaining that India does not want to play them

Don't make a false equivalence between the two things. The difference is that Pakistan will still play Zimbabwe, both boards knew those ODIs were there as a last resort to give Pakistan a chance to get qualification points.

Yes it was playing dirty but those postponed games WILL get played and Zimbabwe will get paid. India's blanket refusal to play Pakistan makes a far bigger mockery of the system.

Not playing against Pakistan in bilaterals has zero negative impact on Indian cricket. They play in tournaments because that will result in a forfeit and India may lose valuable points.

Pakistani fans and PCB must realize that India is not going to play a bilateral series for Pakistan in near future. Pakistan has to start performing better to play more with other big 2 Australia and England.

Just wondering how is it possible for India to refuse play us at any venue , home, neutral or away? Especially considering the fact that we are all ranked by same test team ranking.

So, would it be fair, if Pakistan just refused playing South Africa anywhere or Australia?

How could India get away with discriminating against us for so long? We could play at any venue and by boycotting us are the rankings even fair. Two teams in top 6 ( both been no 1 in last year) have not played in years?

What logic does India use that makes it ok for them to jsut refusing playing Pakistan in Dubai, Lanka etc?

Also out team went there in 2013 and thent20 wc 2016 and we play in major tournaments so how come they pick and choose what to play with us. Who gets the authority and why?

Not saying India ranking in danger if they play pak. I think India would beat us in most venues on current form. But this makes no sense

Legal or illegal is determined by the governing law. What is the governing law for this issue? If you can answer this question, you will have an answer to "How is it legal for India to refuse to play Tests against Pakistan at any venue?"

Goodwill? The then PCB Chairman Zaka Ashraf came to India in order to ask for a series. BCCI merely obliged.

Stop distorting facts and using events for you own benefit. You make it sound as though Zaka Ashraf came to beg for a series. Let me tell you what really happened, the chairmen of the two boards were supposed to meet and given the then security situation of Pakistan, India was chosen as the venue. Pakistan and India had not played in a long time and thus this series was scheduled. BCCI also promised to tour UAE in the future given Pakistan toured India. Thus, it was a goodwill gesture whether you like it or not since Pakistan did India the favour of touring and letting them make big money.

BCCI however later proved their unprofessionalism by not sticking to their word and refusing to travel. You can sugarcoat it as much as you like but this is the reality. Stop living a delusional life.

Stop distorting facts and using events for you own benefit. You make it sound as though Zaka Ashraf came to beg for a series. Let me tell you what really happened, the chairmen of the two boards were supposed to meet and given the then security situation of Pakistan, India was chosen as the venue. Pakistan and India had not played in a long time and thus this series was scheduled. BCCI also promised to tour UAE in the future given Pakistan toured India. Thus, it was a goodwill gesture whether you like it or not since Pakistan did India the favour of touring and letting them make big money.

BCCI however later proved their unprofessionalism by not sticking to their word and refusing to travel. You can sugarcoat it as much as you like but this is the reality. Stop living a delusional life.

Indian version says that BCCI and Indian govt gave clearance for that series as a goodwill gesture. But a lot of unfortunate events taking place and Pakistani govt policies treating India as an enemy state meant that the whole process got derailed.

Stop distorting facts and using events for you own benefit. You make it sound as though Zaka Ashraf came to beg for a series. Let me tell you what really happened, the chairmen of the two boards were supposed to meet and given the then security situation of Pakistan, India was chosen as the venue. Pakistan and India had not played in a long time and thus this series was scheduled. BCCI also promised to tour UAE in the future given Pakistan toured India. Thus, it was a goodwill gesture whether you like it or not since Pakistan did India the favour of touring and letting them make big money.

BCCI however later proved their unprofessionalism by not sticking to their word and refusing to travel. You can sugarcoat it as much as you like but this is the reality. Stop living a delusional life.

basically this. bcci is in power so they can get away with anything, shameless.

Umm because India isn't rejecting to play against Pakistan because its not safe. Indian government has taken a categorical decision (good or bad decision - is not in debate here) to cease ties in some sector with Pakistan. BCCI has to adhere.

And yes playing Pakistan in global tournaments defeats the purpose in some ways but probably BCCI wants to give India the best shot at winning the trophy and conceding 2 points wont exactly help doing that.

I agree. I have said the same several times in the past. But the problem is there does not seem to be any willingness to do this from the people who are supposed. They seem to be bunch of corrupt, selfish, lazy....call it whatever, who are just interested in easy money and not willing to work hard and earn it.

Stop distorting facts and using events for you own benefit. You make it sound as though Zaka Ashraf came to beg for a series. Let me tell you what really happened, the chairmen of the two boards were supposed to meet and given the then security situation of Pakistan, India was chosen as the venue. Pakistan and India had not played in a long time and thus this series was scheduled. BCCI also promised to tour UAE in the future given Pakistan toured India. Thus, it was a goodwill gesture whether you like it or not since Pakistan did India the favour of touring and letting them make big money.

BCCI however later proved their unprofessionalism by not sticking to their word and refusing to travel. You can sugarcoat it as much as you like but this is the reality. Stop living a delusional life.

Absolutely WRONG.

Ijaz Butt and Zaka Ashraf kept pleading the bcci for a series in uae.Ijaz Butt even tried to arm twist bcci by refusing nocs to pak players for ipl 2009.When bcci refused to play.

Ijaz Butt and Zaka Ashraf kept pleading the bcci for a series in uae.Ijaz Butt even tried to arm twist bcci by refusing nocs to pak players for ipl 2009.When bcci refused to play.

So out of desperation zaka ashraf propsed a series in india.

You should chronicle the Indo-Pak saga (last 10 yrs or so) on a seperate thread .... people have short memories and there is no shortage of people who want to believe that India is afraid of the mighty Pakistan team ....

The only country to discriminate another test playing nation totally is India. No other countries just isolate a whole nation based on petty allegations. The players and sport have nothing to do with Politics. This makes ranking just fake I think. All top 7 nations have played each other excpet Pak and india. And Pak is ready to play.

ICC should ask India to conform to fair policies or leave ICC so fair unbiased tour planning can take place for rest of us

Who cares. Just ignore them why are you so desperate about playing them.

Its not about us being desperate . Its just we cant let this be the norm. This kind of institutional discrimination should never be allowed under any fair system. Its international sports ***, you cant just say " ja main ne nahin khelna"

Its not about us being desperate . Its just we cant let this be the norm. This kind of institutional discrimination should never be allowed under any fair system. Its international sports ***, you cant just say " ja main ne nahin khelna"

Its just against principles and any kind of sportsman spirit.

bro they don't care, their mindless policies against Pak is backed by the false propaganda they created in the last decade or so. Bcci is in power so no one opposes them, and Pcb is run by weaker personalities so taking a stand against bcci is difficult. They can get away with anything.

you forgot the biggest reason that Indians are afraid of losing to Pakistan.
Just like they got overconfident and got their feelings hurt in Aane Do series.Caroron dilon ki dharkan kehti hai k inse mat haarna. agr haar gaye tou depression main chalay jayengain.

Hahaha What Nostalgia. That series was something else. All 3 games we had the greatest batting line up on their knees in their own backyard, like full super star line up, Sehwag, Kohli, Dhoni, Gambhir
But I dont think Indian team is actually Scared to face us..to be fair

Hahaha What Nostalgia. That series was something else. All 3 games we had the greatest batting line up on their knees in their own backyard, like full super star line up, Sehwag, Kohli, Dhoni, Gambhir
But I dont think Indian team is actually Scared to face us..to be fair

But the memories , 29/5...AANE DO

as I stated it's the biggest reason, they're never ever gonna admit it they fear losing to us, instead they will act as the best team in the world.
Aane Do series was proof that Indians went into the great depression after losing the series to Pak in India. Doctors advised that don't play Pakistan anytime soon, until you have a world calss team, otherwise mass depression will follow. That's why no series.
Pehle Aane do tha ab Rehne Do hai.

Because ICC is powerless to make two nations play each other. GOI keeps blocking BCCI from allowing the team to play Pakistan due to political reasons. Otherwise BCCI would accept i think because Indo-Pak series is a big money spinner for them.

Ofcourse the reason is political.All such boycotts are for political reasons.

Ok, would you any link to where that reason was listed ( any other thread ) as you say its well known.

Also, I know you have nothing to do with it but do you agree with blocking sportsmen from playing based on politics?
Furthermore, isnt it super petty for a self claimed rising super power to block games and does stopping sport benefit the nation politically or otherwise ?

Ok, would you any link to where that reason was listed ( any other thread ) as you say its well known.

Also, I know you have nothing to do with it but do you agree with blocking sportsmen from playing based on politics?
Furthermore, isnt it super petty for a self claimed rising super power to block games and does stopping sport benefit the nation politically or otherwise ?

Boycotting sporting or cultural or other bilateral ties are a form of protest.Its nothing petty its policy.Countries have boycotted Olympics.Aus Eng boycott Zimbabwe.Its just how the world is.

The reason is simple mumbai pathankot uri.Thats all i would say in this thread.Any explaination please open a thread in TP and tag.

Well if that is the case then why deny our junior hockey team visas for the junior hockey world Cup?
And if you make a stance of not playing Pakistan due to whatever reason then do not play them even on neutral venues and in all sports.

Well if that is the case then why deny our junior hockey team visas for the junior hockey world Cup?
And if you make a stance of not playing Pakistan due to whatever reason then do not play them even on neutral venues and in all sports.

1.Read the statement of FIH the governing body of International hockey regarding why Pakistan couldnot participate in the tournament.

2.India doesnt play pakistan in a bilateral series in any sports.India only plays Pakistan in multilateral events.

Since they have a contract, it is illegal. It's just India being its spiteful self.

I am assuming you are referring to the MOU. The content of which is still a mystery. The unwillingness of the PCB to release the content of the MOU or take any legal action tells me that they do not have a case and it is not legally binding.

While PCB and other boards shamelessly gather to collect the thrown money.

True - to a certain extent.

It's more a case of ICC then do this...

...and distribute it amongst the boards like this....

The cricket boards just walk away with the money like this....

...all wondering why the BCCI don't just actually go an play Pakistan in a bi-lateral series & face their fate, rather than buying their way out of it because they are too scared to play against Pakistan even in the UAE.

It's slightly embarrassing that you can't deny the fact that BCCI are too scared to play Pakistan, which is why they come up with silly excuses and hide behind politicians. Instead you start talking about the ICC's financial model - which, by the way, has been discussed to death in numerous other threads - and isn't what this thread is about

Basically whenever the topic of a Indo-Pak bilateral series comes up, BCCI remembers the last time the two teams faced off in a bilateral series...

...thats results to the BCCI having the following reaction...

...at which point the BCCI go running to this guy.....

...thus pulling the 'political' card not to play a series.

They then get away with it because then BCCI goes to the ICC and does this...

Nice try.

LOL.Modi wasnt the PM in 2012.2 days after the series finished there were"incidents" near Kashmir border.The then govt received a plastering in media and parliament for allowing the series with Pakistan.No one fears playing Pakistan.India has since played Pakistan in various tournaments.The score line is 4-1.The bilateral sporting ties will remain suspended until the political situation improves.This is the case for all sports.

There is nothing anyone or any sporting federation can do if the govt of a country decides not to play a country.

You are free to paint it in anyway,the truth is well known to the world

LOL.Modi wasnt the PM in 2012.2 days after the series finished there were"incidents" near Kashmir border.The then govt received a plastering in media and parliament for allowing the series with Pakistan.No one fears playing Pakistan.India has since played Pakistan in various tournaments.The score line is 4-1.The bilateral sporting ties will remain suspended until the political situation improves.This is the case for all sports.

There is nothing anyone or any sporting federation can do if the govt of a country decides not to play a country.

You are free to paint it in anyway,the truth is well known to the world

Yes Modi wasn't PM and that is why the series went ahead.

4-1 and yet still to scared to face us in a bilateral series - instead once again hiding behind the gov. and politicians. Sad to see

sporting ties were immediately suspended after incidents in Kashmir 2 days after that series and has remained suspended.It was a decision of the previous govt.

No one is scared of the 8th ranked ODI and 5th Ranked Test team.

As i said the world knows why sporting ties have been suspended,you can try to make a joke out of those serious incidents.

Was it not Hindu extremists who stormed the stadium where the PCB head was negotiating a possible series?
WHy does the Indian government and the BCCI not show defiance to the Hindu extremists and agree to play Pakistan in the UAE? India is after all a defiant and brave nation.

Was it not Hindu extremists who stormed the stadium where the PCB head was negotiating a possible series?
WHy does the Indian government and the BCCI not show defiance to the Hindu extremists and agree to play Pakistan in the UAE? India is after all a defiant and brave nation.

PCB head was nowhere near the BCCI office when ShivSena was protesting there. Watch Your own Najam Sethi's interview on that.Its on Youtube.They were in another part of Mumbai.The BCCI did write to Govt for permission but didnot receive the clearance.

The Govt itself have suspended ties,way back in 2008.It was briefly restored in 2012 and then again suspended.Why will the govt go againist its own decision.LOL.