In a world of real time information why is our voting system so arcane? Why for example are election results held until after all voting is over? We have polls that suggest how we are going to vote, but in the 2012 election we learned that there are D+8 and R+2 models that reflect how many Republicans or Democrats are going to to vote. Why don't we provide the real answer in real time.

The first thing is to end voting for weeks leading up to an election.

No, the first thing is long prison terms for officials committing vote fraud and jail time (read chain gang picking up trash along the road side while wearing a pink & chartreuse polka dot jumpsuit with a Im a Vote CHEAT sign front & back) & fines for people who voted multiple times.

Another high tech solution would be:

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posted on 11/11/2012 3:42:52 PM PST
by BwanaNdege
(Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)

Any number of qualified technology oriented companies could conduct flawless elections: Amazon, FedEx, Schwab, EBay or NetFlix to name a few. It isn’t happening because political powers in DeeCee don’t want it to happen.

Ahh, yes, more transparency. I agree, it is required. The transparency in noting that the GOP ran a NE liberal governor against another liberal. That the Democrats didn't run against the GOP, but instead against fictitious phantoms.

That everyone lied in this election - the GOP lied that they were espousing conservative ideals, that the Democrats lied that they're out there supporting women and minorities. All the while, a supposedly split congress manages to blow through 2 trillion dollars in imaginary money no one will ever pay for in less than a year.

That everything will change about ObamaCare if we elect the creator of RomneyCare. That he'll take on the gay mafia, just like he stood firm in ensuring that homosexuals could call themselves married in Massachusetts.

Yes, we need a whole lot more transparency. But instead, we'll get more lipstick for the pigs.

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posted on 11/11/2012 3:44:14 PM PST
by kingu
(Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)

inre #4, bs. whoever writes the program wil be under pressure either professionally (by the company) or personally (directly, by both parties) to write something that favors their party. it is really quite easy to write something untracable to guarantee a win for the highest bidder.

technoogy is NOT the solution. it is the problem. simple paper ballots are the easiest verifiable solution.

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posted on 11/11/2012 3:49:55 PM PST
by camle
(keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)

I say drop the whole election problem onto the military, look first at using the national Guard from each state, they register you, give you your voting dog tag with its unique chip.

And they will take the votes at armed stations guaranteeing an honest election, and I seriously doubt even the Guard will corrupt the election one way or the other.

Death by firing squad is the option for cheating.

seriously America just had its backside reamed in the hard dry fashion by an organized computer program targeting strategic electoral votes. And the Communist Party USA is taking all the praise for winning the election.

If a person needed a focal point for giving something back there is a group right out in the open.

when are we gonna learn? the more technology we apply to the situation, the more opportunity for fraud we are building into it.

There's one solution which would work and one only. We need to get rid of the secret ballot. When I vote, my name, contact info, some sort of a unique ID number, and vote should go into a national database and ANYBODY should be able to do his own tally and any two tallies should produce the same number and outcome. That would fix the problem and I can't think of anything else which would.

Thumbprint votes were good enough for Iraq, remember? So why not do something like that here?

Thumb and fingerprint scanners are good to go. When you get registered, they scan your finger or thumb. Then when you vote they do it again.

For people who are shut ins or invalid, when they insert a thumb or finger into the scanner, a picture is taken of their face, along with a GPS coordinate, to insure they are conscious and aware and are where they are said to be.

The way this can be done without violating the heck out of privacy is for the issuing state to restrict access to the fingerprint database to “for election purposes only”. This means they do not share with the police, federal government or private company, except when the state board of elections determines vote fraud has occurred.

"...whoever writes the program wil be under pressure either professionally (by the company) or personally (directly, by both parties) to write something that favors their party. it is really quite easy to write something untracable to guarantee a win for the highest bidder."

There is no need to write a program. A person proves eligibility such as citizenship and age, then they get a registration number just like an Ebay or NetFlix account. Then they vote - ONCE!

We can not wait for 2014 and 2016 to regroup and figure out new strategies. By then it will be too late. The Marxist/Muslim usurper will have completed his planned distruction of America. That's what people fail to understand.

We must act NOW.

Start with the election. If we let the Rats get away with this massive voter fraud, we're no better than a bananna republic.

We must keep digging and pounding him every day, in every way we can- phony birth certificate, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, his hidden life, records....

We are FReepers. We must fight!

Those who shrug and accept this atrocity without a fight are not worthy to be called Freepers!

Much more to come! As one of our commenters below said, voter fraud is like cockroaches. You find one and they are likely everywhere. Cuyahoga County, Ohio is obviously not alone!

Here is a petition you can sign at Change.org to request a full recount. I suggest we just focus on the swing states, but it is true that many Congressional and Senate races are also affected, from Allen West to, I believe, Mia Love. Mia was up by 10% the week before the election and lost by 3,000 votes to Matheson in a state that went 73% for Romney. Not likely!

And what do you think of this? This was way before the election, but apparently George Soros, who we have already established rigged an election in Hungary and was banned for it AND helped get Obama elected the first time... Ill let you read the headline:

I think this goes well beyond the 900+ executive orders that go around Congress, more than three times the executive orders given by all previous US Presidents combined. We saw it in action Tuesday, November 6th!

Personally I think as the case is strong enough, Mitt will do something. Too much is at stake, and as we just found out, Ohio is definitely Mitts, and Florida, too, just based on fraud in a few counties! Colorado, too!

Keep up the referrals and the sharing, everyone! Thank you SO much for helping America fix an election that has clearly been fixed.

Voter fraud cheapens the votes of the 60 million who picked Mitt to the point of nothingness and gives weight to those who in reality were the minority. If grand theft is defined as any theft over $5,000, what do you call the ONE BILLION times that that is likely to happen AGAIN over the next four years if we do not right this wrong?

Here is to our real President Elect and First Lady, Mitt and Ann Romney.

The founding fathers saw no need for the secret ballot (the freedom of expressing your political choice is the ultimate application of the first amendment). The first and second amendments go hand in hand with the "stand up and be counted" approach of townhall meetings.

The secret ballot was imported with late immigrants who were used to hiding their opinions from the ruling class. Those who claim that the secret ballot protects against voter intimidation apparently do not make political contributions, apply bumper stickers, post yard signs or attend rallies. The secret ballot has always been used as a means of corrupting the political process.

If you can verify that your vote was counted correctly, no one can change it or delete it. An open ballot also makes it easy to catch "voting" by dead or imaginary persons or non citizens. An easy implementation of an open ballot would be an online list with totals by precinct, county and state. If every individual had the capability of verifying his own vote (and those of people he knew), there would be no requirement for massive amounts of manpower to perform the task.

There is no doubt that Obama stole this election. To assume otherwise is to assume that the average American is incredibly stupid and/or corrupt, and that any further resistance to the communist in the White House is futile.

Of the many ways that the Democrats committed fraud this time, the most egregious is the undercount of Republican votes. This can be addressed by citizens standing up to declare how they actually voted. Trying to be "safe" by hiding behind the skirts of yet another anonymous poll or secret ballot will accomplish nothing, since the anonymous votes will be manipulated again.

To those who fear that an open ballot will lead to a Hitler or Stalin: What do we have now? We need an open ballot while we still have the second amendment.

Say whatever you want, if there ever was an age when our voting system made sense, a whole lot of water has gone over the dam since then.

There's actually a better way.

The better way would involve biometrics and P2P technology. A normal person could keep his info and vote preferences on his OWN computer and idiots could keep theirs on some trusted system at a public facility of some sort, possibly a libhrary. A call to tally would work the same way as a request for "You Ain't Nothin But a Hound-Dog" on Kazaa or Bittorrent and, funny thing, ANYBODY could do such a tally and all such tallies should match.

A person would have to produce a valid finger to vote but that sort of device is a $100 add on with government laptops and we could afford it.

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