Second trial on damages could lead Apple to net more than the original $1.05 billion it was awarded

Last month, Judge Lucy Koh vacated $450 million of the $1.05 billion jury award that Apple had been awarded after the epic patent trial last year. Now, a new trial is coming. The damages that Judge Koh had tossed represented the amount awarded to Apple by the first jury for 14 Samsung devices that they ruled had infringed on Apple patents. Samsung has filed with the court requesting that the second trial also open up the question of whether these 14 devices infringed on Apple patents in the first place. The Korean manufacturer says in a filing with the court late on Friday that "Apple can seek even more damages on these products in the new trial." The filing by Samsung was in response to an earlier one made by Apple and seeks a partial final judgment on what has been decided so far, with the results stayed until a final ruling is made on Samsung's appeal of the case.

It's not just about phones. There are simple shapes and common tech at stake here. Rectangles everywhere will revolt...it will upset the balanced order. I mean seriously...apple wants Sammy to build a triangle shaped device...complete with cute stickers.

I'm not "butthurt" over anything, and I don't give 2 sh*ts how it affects these companies bottom lines. What I do care about is these companies manipulating the industry through the courts instead of on the salesfloor, and most importantly to me, the possibility that these trials may decide what's available to me to purchase and use. It seriously angers me when these companies try to use the legal system to eliminate or stifle competition rather than letting the natural selection of the salesfloor decide the outcome. Both have a good product, but no one phone is right for everyone.

Out of all the posts that've been made so far yours makes the most sense. I could care less about market share, market cap, or market whatever. It's about we the consumer... I don't know what goes on behind closed doors with these companies as I don't work for them in any capacity, but I hope judge Koh acts in the best interest of the customer. Wether the victor be apple or Sammy...

No one here should want any one company or platform to have an overwhelming market share. That leads to higher prices and lower innovation.

Apple had huge market share in smartphones, and they started spoon feeding small advances with minimal changes. That opened the door for Samsung. Then Samsung became the number one manufacturer, and look at the GS4. Same thing.

What we should all root for is iOS, Android and Windows Phone to all split the market fairly evenly. Further, we should want Samsung, Apple, Nokia, HTC, LG, etc... to all have a good chunk of the market. That's the only way we, as consumers, will get our hands on better tech at better prices.

I root against Apple based not on it's market share, but on its shady business practices. Lawsuits, patents based on others tech with zero work on it (the flexible AMOLED phone they patented, for instance.)

And I'm really worried about the future now that the US has gone to first to file rather than first to invent. Apple unchecked scares me.

Apple is always doing this for money, not caring about what's good for consumers, yet so many people don't realise and fall into there trap! They create an inferior product, charge outrageously high prices, and convince people that its really better! On the other hand Google will develop a much better product and make it free! But many people still just assume Apple's better! How so selfish and greedy,,,,,!

I agree. In a way...I kinda dont like Android having huge market share. I dont think the iPhone ever had that much of a lead over #2 when they were #1.

But....its never one size fits all, so I dont want the iPhone being the market leader. Would the iPhone have a bigger screen if it wasnt for the success of Android? Would Apple have changed the notification center if it wasnt for Android? Who knows....but it shows they all learn from each other. Apple just needs to stop acting like a spoiled baby.

I liked what I saw from WebOS....and its a shame its no longer around. Ppl forget that Palm was probably considered safe before 2008. Palm was #1 in 2005...in 2008 they were 3rd.

This line of comments should be mandatory read for everyone that comes to phonearena, no matter what your preference is, there is room for everyone in the market, that is what freedom is about. I can only see a unbalanced market hurting more the consumer than anything else

Exactly. I also like Ted's comment as well. It seems like once one of these companies gets to the top, they get lazy. Happened with Moto after the first Droid X, happened with HTC around the time of the Sensation, and now Samsung is doing the same with the S4. Apple's I believe was when they started putting an "s" on their models, which I think stood for "Sh*t, we forgot to put that in the last model." The companies to watch for are the ones who are trailing, they're hungry and willing to go all out to add to their customer base.

Apple needs this win to pay its employees. Don't really care who wins at this point. So long as I have a good Android phone in my hand, and if I can get a pair of Google Glasses on my head...I win as a consumer.

We're all losing as consumers now. The costs of the lawsuits is being passed on to us. Small upstarts are being discouraged from bringing innovation because they will get sued to oblivion. Even bigger corporations have to tiptoe around ridiculous, broad patents that are often just am older patent with the words, "on a phone" tacked on to the end.

Imagine the phones we would have in our hands if not for this douchebaggery.

29.Aeires (unregistered)

Apple can seek all they want in the form of higher payments, what happens in the new trial will be all that matters, not what Apple wants. Not only has Apple's patents been invalidated, by the time this trial starts, these phones won't even be sold anymore so the jury is likely to look at Apple as just being greedy.

20.poping (unregistered)

Can we please stop talkn bout this b.s. nonsense? Or stop posting this every other week? No one cares bout apple. All they do is btch cry complain with their greedy big a$$ wallets. Yet they ban on older models thats not even being sold anymore

I know I will NOT be upgrading my current smartphone with any Apple Iphones... when any company tried to patent rounded edges on phones just seems to me to be a little too aggressive in bringing a law suit ...

I'm loosing a lot of respect for Apple just took me longer then it did with micro-spend..

I wouldn't take a wiz on Florian Mueller if he were on fire. Maybe wait until the flames fizzle out, then relieve myself, but not until then.

All this is is similar to when a prosecution says they could seek some exorbitant maximum for something as a scare tactic. There's a world of difference between what could possibly happen and what will realistically happen.

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