6/21/2017

Ministerial Committee versus Hague Tribunal

Jeannette
Chong-Aruldoss, another member of the SPP, described the Ministerial Committee
as a “tragic joke”.

“It is like the Boss of a company has a quarrel
with Mr Someone. Then the Boss gathers a number of his employees and empowers
them to decide who is right: he (the Boss) or Mr Someone. Boss submits a long
testimony to this group of his employees giving them his account of the events
and his opinion about Mr Someone’s motives.

How on earth can such a group of subordinates,
who are otherwise answerable to the Boss, be expected to act independently and
to able to make an objective decision? Does such a dubious committee really
have the option to decide against their Boss?

It is a rule of natural justice that a man
cannot be a judge in his own cause: “Nemo judex in causa sua”. Asking your
underlings to determine the outcome of a case in which you have a personal
interest in, is to me a breach of that rule.

Tragically, the joke is on us, the citizenry.
For it does not bode well for us when we cannot detect, turn a blind eye to or
condone conflict of interests and use of state powers for personal benefits.”

After reading Jeannette
Chong’s comment about the Ministerial Committee it straight away reminded me of
the ‘UN supported’ Hague Tribunal that ruled against China on the SCS Islands
case. In this tribunal, supposedly a private court that willing parties went
for an arbitration but the western media trying to con the world that it was a ‘UN
backed’ organization as if it was an UN body, it was set up unilaterally by the
Philippines and its backers ie the USA and Japan, without China participating,
chose its own judges, paid the judges to decide in their favour against China.
And the Americans and some western countries including little USAs went about
trumpeting that it was a fair and ‘UN backed’ court and that its decision must
be complied with. Today all these silly buggers are like what the Hokien phrase
said, ‘chui tat lan’, all voiceless, become dumb, after their scheme was exposed
as hollow, silly and mischievous.

Now, would this kind of
court be a tragic joke, ridiculous?Setting up
your own court, choosing and buying your own judges to judge against another
party that did not agree and did not want to be a part of it? Compares the
Ministerial Committee to this kangaroo court, which is the bigger joke? Was
there any natural justice, did supporting this kangaroo court bode well for
Singapore as a country that has been touting the rule of law?

That Minionster Commidee set by by Loony Long can also be independent if Justice Bao (who possessed Shang fang bao Jian or 上方宝剑) is still alive as everyone in Chinese world knew that he is an impartial judge). Clearly Sinkieland dun have such judge but r bought over by the Leeder himself , so its an bias court that set up with its own agenda to silence SomeboLee & SomeBoLing into submission & oblivion..

I wanted to thank all those who contacted us to seek further comments. However as our Chairman has released in his last press briefing, our club which essentially is a recreation club will not issue further comment on this dispute.

Thank you for having confidence in us and value our thought on this matter.

After being "singled out in a NDR speech in the 1980s by old fart and shamed, labelled as a big (implied mo lan yong?) wooden block", he "still shamelessly warmed the seat and instituted a series of blunders which brought Sin Land to its knees"?

When "Long Gor" took over (in 2004), (the economy was so bad and sick) he had no choice but to "open the legs even bigger and let in more vices, supposedly over old fart's "dead boLEE" by giving the green light and opened the floodgate for more vices" to prop up the "dying economy"?

Just look at the number of multimillionaires (and even possibly billionaires) among laogoa and his cohort of 2g leeders and u will know how much blood they had made ordinary sinkies to sweat all these years ...?

One staying in holland road area even transported an entire French Chateau and transplanted it on his oversized 50,000 sq feet good class bungalow land in the 2000s?

With such excesses and making ordinary sinkies sweat blood, how can the camel back not break?

2017 starts off with many Sinkies driving against traffic flows, something that hardly happened before.Before 2017 started, there were much rages on the road, much breakdowns in public facilities such as lift and train and inexplicably many fire outbreaks. The Vicious Cycle of Events has now enter Parleement over a domestic quarrel of the First Family in Sin. lt is the first time in history that a private dispute gets handle by a regime instead of the Normal and Proper Settlement in a Court Of Law.

Things are going weird and awry in Sin. There are just too many symptoms of failures and it appears that the System is falling apart for the Tiny Dot.

Jeannette Chong-Aruldoss, another member of the SPP, described the Ministerial Committee as a “tragic joke”.RB

Tiok, tragic joke.

But even more tragic and no joke is that the Sinkie opposition, including of course Jeannette Chong-Aruldoss, is not even united, let alone ready to be govt. And Jeannette was also a political frog, jumping from NSP to SPP to don't know what next.

So are Tan Jee Say, Goh Meng Seng and even the scholar couple (I think retired from politics already).

And even after 20 years, Ah Chiam and wife still bear a grudge against Chee Soon Juan.

And Chee Soon Juan even suggested SDP to be MP while WP can manage Town Council during the Punggol East by election bargaining on who to contest.

And Kenneth son of JBJ still hate WP for abandoning his late father when he was sued till bankrupt by PAP.

And so looking at this bunch of Sinkie opposition, any wonder why 70% Sinkies have no choice but to choose Hsien Loong's PAP as the lesser of 2 evils? Isn't this a greater tragedy and really no joke and with no solution?

///A VISIT to Dr Michael Lim's home is much like visiting a chateau in France but without having to endure a 12-hour long flight. The European experience starts right at the compound gate, where a pair of larger than life centurion statues stand guard.

Like with most chateaus, this one, off Holland Road, comes with an immensely long driveway, before a two-storey mansion with elaborate columns, a steeply-pitched roof, and a water fountain right up front, comes into view.

"When you look at the house, you think you are somewhere in Europe rather than in Singapore," quips Dr Lim, medical director at the Singapore Heart, Stroke & Cancer Centre, who drew up the design of his home after visiting several French chateaus and the Palace of Versailles for inspiration.///

AnonymousJune 21, 2017 10:40 am//How about a By- election in a m k -g r c ?anyone support this idea?//

Having a nationwide snap poll is not without precedence ...? Look at the recent UK snap ge?

To "repair the damage to sinkieland and garmen moral authority to rule so that sinkies and sin land can move on in their everyday lives", a general snap poll is less likely "to be seen as illegitimate, undemocratic, not credible" ...?

Must respect the moral guts and rectitude of UK PM Theresa May to hold a snap poll recently in view of recent events (in UK) ...?

Many sinkies said openly they dun bother about it but deep down it has already inflicted an indelible doubt and cast a long dark shadow in their subconscious ...?

Let the pple decide?

Once the people has decided (in a democratic process), many kaypoh may have to shut their mouth on much of this matter?

Letting matters rankle unabated in the general populace may not be wise and likely affect the mental cognizance of many pple going about their daily lives and their decisions on mid, long term matters ...?

/// Tragically, the joke is on us, the citizenry. For it does not bode well for us when we cannot detect, turn a blind eye to or condone conflict of interests and use of state powers for personal benefits. ///

Do you think this is why the PAP Education Minister says it is PAP policy to limit the number of Singaporeans entering university to no more than 30% of each cohort?

What is more tragic?a. They think we are so stupid and daft?b. They seriously believe in their own bull shit? (Own self check own self.)c. We (70%) voted these people into government?

Do you think Singaporeans also cannot escape blame?Since we (70%) voted in this government.

True or not?Many Singaporeans have gone into self exile overseas over the last 50 years.And we continue to repeatedly vote and support this government.Should we also not blame ourselves?Is it not in our power to change things?

It doesn't have to be paid million dollar salaries to understand that the poodles or kakis will follow what the master wants them to do.

In Sinkieland, everything is under the control of the powers that be. So, what comprise the ministerial committees, election committees, presidential committees etc are all of one kind of people and that is kaki-nan, otherwise how can they be on such committees? So, the kind of decisions that can come out of such committees does not need a million dollar salary person to understand or predict.

Lee Hsien Loong doesn't seem to realise that by forming a Multi-Millionaire Ministerial Committee to ATTACK his own Dead Father and younger brother, sister and sister-in-law is tantamount to getting external gangs, loyal and beholden to him, to intimidate own family members.

This kind of behaviour is totally unacceptable under Chinese Culture and Tradition. Even under Mafia Gang-Laws, this kind of behaviour is considered treacherous and the culprit must be eliminated immediately at all costs.

/// It is a rule of natural justice that a man cannot be a judge in his own cause: “Nemo judex in causa sua”. Asking your underlings to determine the outcome of a case in which you have a personal interest in, is to me a breach of that rule. ///

Aiyo uncle Virgo,Why you still think nearer to mainland must mean the islands must belong to mainland .Surrounded by and nearer to sinkie charbor daily but why only oversea meimei fated to be mine.Can enjoy in mainland but be reasonable leh.

Making use of a Ministerial Committee and The Parliament, instead of the High Court or Family Court, to deal with this case is sufficient proof to substantiate the abuse of power and misuse of state organs stated by Lee Hsien Yang and Dr Lee Wei Ling. Period.

Moreover, instead of confining the issue to a legal issue, Lee Hsien Loong has turned his family feud into a POLITICAL ISSUE! This shows that he has a hidden personal political agenda.

From the Developments in Sin since 2000 onwards, it is apparent that the Neglects of traditional values and virtues in the Relentless Pursue of Wealth has lead to the Demises of Propriety, Integrity and Other Desirable Human Behaviours.

Greed, Ego and Other Vices, some of which are made Engines to drive Ecobomic Growth have made Sinkies commit more sins than crimes per se.Look at the increases in costs of livings which despite so, did not stop Sinkies from driving costlier and bigger cars, buy expensive but smaller pigeonholes and buying non essential gadgets and spend lavishly on tours and other leisures.

The Ways the Youngs behave today are self-centred, rash and much lacking in consideration for others. Many are ill-disciplined, just look at the Ways they threw bicycles down from highrise building, into the drain and anywhere not meant to be.

lt is truly a great failure of the Leadership to nurture a nation with virtue and value. The Educational System is also a total failure in the lnculcation of desirable values.All are too focus on the Bottomline of $$$.

lt is lamentable that the Leadership is also very much in sin and could actually be responsible for the State of Affairs in Sin today.

Do you think, when we have stupid citizens like Singaporeans;Anything also can?Prima Nocta also can?

What is Prima Nocta?---------------------Rights used by aristocrats of the past to have sexual rights to the wife of a man newly married on the night of their wedding."The Lord excerised his rights of Prima Nocta to take the man's wife for himself on her wedding night."

The current parliament majority is made possible by 70% of Singaporeans tio bo?So the law of Prima Nocta if passed in parliament will be supported by 70% of Singaporeans tio bo?So what's wrong with that?Majority wins, correct?

Thanks for teaching us Singaporean dafties about the "Organs of State" in Singapore.

Can you please explain the meaning and significance of "separation of powers" as it relates to "Organs of State"

I read somewhere that:"The doctrine of separation of powers is based on the acceptance that there are three main categories of government function, that is: Legislative, Executive, andJudicial.

Corresponding to that there are also three main organs of the government in a state – the Legislature, the Executive and the Judiciary.

The doctrine insists that these three powers and functions of government in a free democracy must be kept separate and exercised by separate organs of the state.

http://www.utumishi.go.tz/utuweek/SOP.pdf(Page 5 & 6)

According to Montesquie (his book The Spirit of the Laws published in 1748) the secret behind the liberty enjoyed by the English society was based on the separation and functional independence of the three arms of government.

According to Montesquie the consequences of lack of separation of powers are grave.

“When the legislative and executive powers are united in the same person, or in the same body of magistrates, there can be no liberty, because apprehensions may arise, lest the same monarch or senate should enact tyrannical laws, to execute them in a tyrannical manner.

Again, there is no liberty if the judicial power be not separated from the legislative and executive.

Where it joined with the legislative, the life and liberty of the subject would be exposed to arbitrary control: for the judge would then be the legislator.

Where it joined with the executive power, the judge might behave with violence and oppression.

Miserable indeed would be the case, were the same man or the same body, whether of the nobles or of the people, to exercise those three powers, that of enacting laws, that of executing the public resolutions and that of judging the crimes or differences of individuals.

Essentially what Montesquie abhorred was absolutism and concentration of powers in one authority or organ of state. It is the same principle that this realization came at a great cost to democracy and human rights in Europe. As was correctly pointed out by Lord Atkin: “Every power tends to corrupt and absolute power tends to corrupt absolutely.”

Yes, you are right about the "organs of state" mentioned by Lee Hsien Yang.And the concept of separation of powers.

Separation of powers, refers to the division of responsibilities into distinct branches to limit any one branch from exercising the core functions of another. The intent is to prevent the concentration of power and provide for checks and balances.

This is opposite to the Singaporean concept of "own self check own self".

"Own self check own self" probably originates from the Chinese people's long history with the Chinese emperor system of government.The Chinese emperor (one person) controls all three functions of government: Executive, Legislative and Judicial.

Do you think Chinese people are probably born to be slaves to emperors?Do you think any education in the finest western universities can ever rid Chinese people of the emperor-slave mentality?

Yes, Parliament is a state organ.One of many state organs in Singapore.See our government website for a complete listing:

https://www.gov.sg/sgdi/organs-of-state

---The question all western democracies will ask:How independent are all these state organs from each other?Or are they all under the control of one man like in the Chinese emperor system of government?

There are 92 Members of Parliament.89 elected and 3 NCMPs.Out of 89 elected MPs, 83 of them are PAP MPs.

If PM Lee tells the 83 PAP MPs to keep quiet and don't say anything in parliament (by enforcing the party whip);- does this mean 83 PAP MPs or 90% of the MPs in parliament will have to shut up?

If PM Lee has the power to stop 90% of MPs in parliament from talking;Do you think it is fair for (June 21, 2017 6:23 pm) to say... "To me, Singapore Parliament, for all intents and purposes, is more appropriate to be called PAP-LEE-MEN." ???

What do you think?

Paul Lampard, PhD, AMDKimaginary public servantalias Por Lampar

PS:You Singaporeans voted for this parliament.And now you want to complain?

After the Public witnessed too many Ministers and MPs seeping and dozing off, the Emperor stop all LIVE recording and broadcasting.

Too shameful to show their disgraceful behaviour to the Wotld.

Also, usually there were too many empty seats, indicating the POOR INTEREST OF CERTAIN MPs in attending the Parliament Sessions, a responsibility for which they were elected for and paid $15,000 monthly allowance and other perks for. Shirking their primary responsibility and obligations to the People of Singapore! Too shameful to expose their irresponsible conduct to the Public.

The allegations of abuse of power, abuse/misuse of state organs and dishonourable conduct against the Prime Minister by his own Brother and Sister are severe and serious. His Excellency, The President of the Republic of Singapore should not be keeping silent. He had a role to play here.

Since the PM is personally accused of such serious charges, he should not be allowed to make statements to influence public and ministerial and judges' opinions.

The President should convene a Really and Truly Independent Presidential Commission (comprising at least FIVE High Court Judges who are not in any way close to the PM) to investigate into these allegations and ask the PM to take leave of absence so as to prevent him from influencing the Investigations. CPIB, SID and MSD should be directed to assist the Presidential Commission of Inquiry in every way they can.

Why form Ministerial Committee? How can the public expect the outcome to be fair and just?

Please do the right thing, instead of trying to do things right.

Is that such a difficult thing to do to convene the Highest Commision of Inquiry?

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