Is he just preparing us for the renewal of Mark's contract or the arrival of JEV or Daniel?

I can see Red Bull rejecting the concept of Vettel and Raikkonen together, they see how Vettel reacts when he is not top dog.

Likely the arrival of JEV or Daniel. RBR would be wiser to recoup some of the money invested in their young driver program and use the difference from a Kimi contract vs. that of an STR driver hire and extend Vettel for 2015-2016.

Vettel put RBR where they are today and it is foolish to think he fears any other F1 driver.

How have you managed to miss it? They are always seen smiling, laughing with each other, and talking with each other at drivers' parade. They clearly have a good relationship, even if they aren't best friends.

How have you managed to miss it? They are always seen smiling, laughing with each other, and talking with each other at drivers' parade. They clearly have a good relationship, even if they aren't best friends.

I think Kimi, as well as all the more experienced drivers are on pretty good terms with eachother. Excluding Perez ofc

How have you managed to miss it? They are always seen smiling, laughing with each other, and talking with each other at drivers' parade. They clearly have a good relationship, even if they aren't best friends.

I see many drivers talking and laughing with each other, but don't read anything into that.

I'd be nervous if a close friend who also incidentally happens to be a very strong driver and personality was going to be my teammate. Not because I was afraid of being beaten, but because it would undoubtedly put no end of strain on the relationship. Considering how it is at Red Bull at the moment and how the team is focused, you'd have to imagine that Kimi and Seb wouldn't remain close friends for very long!

It might be that he feels it unrealistic in terms of Red Bull wanting a younger driver. Or in terms of who says Kimi will want to move. Or who says Mark is going anywhere? All sorts of political reasons to say that, some more credible than others.

I'd be nervous if a close friend who also incidentally happens to be a very strong driver and personality was going to be my teammate. Not because I was afraid of being beaten, but because it would undoubtedly put no end of strain on the relationship. Considering how it is at Red Bull at the moment and how the team is focused, you'd have to imagine that Kimi and Seb wouldn't remain close friends for very long!

Please always give your threads titles that fairly reflect their content. Misleading titles waste the board's time, anger people and mean the discussion tends to become about the title itself, rather than the subject.

It's a non story, what was more of a story is Vettel telling us all that the previous perception of his being a bubbly, cheery character was false- he'd always let people know the truth and how he felt but it wasn't until the Multi 21 affair that most people thought he'd change to this tough talking, frank driver (Mark didn't deserve the win) when actually he says he was like that all through his career.

As for Kimi to Red Bull, I could see it happening... after all, the best drivers end up in the best teams. If you're at a top team, you expect to have another really good driver alongside- as Red Bull have had for the last 4 years

My impression is that Seb didn't need to veto Hamilton; Horner made it pretty clear in 2011 he wasn't interested in having Hamilton. The history is that Hamilton is high-maintenance and Horner already has his hands full managing Vettel and Webber.

Please always give your threads titles that fairly reflect their content. Misleading titles waste the board's time, anger people and mean the discussion tends to become about the title itself, rather than the subject.

Thank you - that is much better. Now we just need someone to correct the spelling of Raikkonen...

Of course Vettel is "unsure" about Raikkonen. He already can't handle it whenever Mark beats him. He would have a total meltdown with a world champion teammate.

that's not what he is saying tho, he is saying it is not realistic... and that probably because Kimi is happy at Lotus, he is fighting for the WDC there after all, so why should he come to RB?

Also there are 2 Toro Rosso drivers, fighting for the RB seat, if they would just take Kimi instead it would make the whole TR team a farce...

Seb is a bad looser, he admitted that, but it makes no difference against who he looses and I think Seb is a great driver, who got the potential to beat just any teammate

what he said was (not exact word to word translation can't be bothered) "You should see me playing Monopoly... When it goes bad I sometimes want to break the game board. Then I remember I need the game board for the revanche.."

I think that makes him so sympathic to me, cause he doesn't like loosing... when I was a child and was loosing the board game "Mensch Ärgere Dich Nicht" I threw the whole board from the table in anger (my parents never wanted to play with me again , and I myself dont play board games anymore cause of that reason), when years later someone stole my magic awesome sleepy making sword in DnD I was down for several days as well, all that cause I suck at loosing too, at the same time Seb is usually funny if he is not loosing!

You miss me? Of course, it’s not known how much power Alonso actually has to veto a move by Vettel. but it has been enough speculated about it in media, and whilst LdM hasn't neither confirmed or denied that, speculations do continue about Alonso's contractual condition and power to veto. In Vettel's case Horner explicitly denied that Vettel has anything to say about choices of his teammates, yet speculations do continue anyway. Make of it what you will. I think in reality drivers are consulted about a short list with names of their potential teammates, probably they are asked whether they have any specific reservations for management to take under advisement, but that's where it ends. I also however believe that Alonso's voice carries more weight at Ferrari than Vettel's at RBR.

You miss me? Of course, it’s not known how much power Alonso actually has to veto a move by Vettel. but it has been enough speculated about it in media, and whilst LdM hasn't neither confirmed or denied that, speculations do continue about Alonso's contractual condition and power to veto. In Vettel's case Horner explicitly denied that Vettel has anything to say about choices of his teammates, yet speculations do continue anyway. Make of it what you will. I think in reality drivers are consulted about a short list with names of their potential teammates, probably they are asked whether they have any specific reservations for management to take under advisement, but that's where it ends. I also however believe that Alonso's voice carries more weight at Ferrari than Vettel's at RBR.

Well according to Kubica, Ferrari had an option on him for 2012. Given how highly Alonso rates Kubica, you would think he would have vetoed that?

Well according to Kubica, Ferrari had an option on him for 2012. Given how highly Alonso rates Kubica, you would think he would have vetoed that?

In the end it's all speculation. There's nothing concrete.

Rumor has it, that Alonso was (is?) friendly to Kubica, yes, I read it, but fear him? Surely you must be kidding about that. But then, I could be bias. I did not rate Kubica very highly at any time when he was still racing, and well below Massa. C-class journeyman at best (Webber class).

Rumor has it, that Alonso was (is?) friendly to Kubica, yes, I read it, but fear him? Surely you must be kidding about that. But then, I could be bias. I did not rate Kubica very highly at any time when he was still racing, and well below Massa. C-class journeyman at best (Webber class).

Well i seem to remember that when he was asked who he thought the the best driver was (this was around 2010 time), he said Kubica.