How did I get clowned? Because you agree with his opinion? We're both giving opinions, not facts. Nobody's getting clowned here. I've seen it too many times in a business setting where good people are set up to fail by poor leadership. That's where I stand on this. I'm sure some of those guys are incompetent. I also have to think there are very good scouts who would thrive with better direction from the top down. I think we're being too hasty in assuming everyone's a problem.