This thread is about truth which comes from evidence, logic, facts, and proof. All I've tried to do in this thread is provide information and views which I think are important for people in the "truth movement." I've provided supporting evidence so that people can have accurate information to make better decisions.

In order for the claim that this thread and my intentions aren't about truth to be valid, someone will have to show that the following information isn't true because the following explains many of my reasons for creating this thread.

The more accurate information people have, the better decisions people can make isn't that what Icke is supposedly about?

The 2012 hoax alone has caused people to go insane and lose a lot. I knew someone who I believe was driven insane by it. He believed 100% in the 'Mayan prophecy' and that December 21st 2012 was the end of the world. I had to cut ties with him because he was too crazy for me. He said that aliens were coming to save certain chosen people on December 21st 2012 of which he was one and that people like him would be taken off in a giant spaceship. He had given up his whole life to that belief basically. It's tragic.

Now you've got Icke fans saying that the moon matrix theory and the belief system it leads you to (see below) are a legitimate view of 'reality' and they support it as valid and credible.

It becomes incredibly tragic when you realize that if people actually do what gorilla199 suggested:

"go and start telling your friends and all your families and your workmates and everyone that you meet, start telling them that you believe what David dIcke has said. You believe that the moon is a giant spaceship full of aliens controlling us with mind rays"

It's going to cost people their relationships, their careers, their standing in the community, etc.. That's what happened between me and my old friend I just mentioned. Him sharing his outrageous beliefs about 2012 and the aliens that would save humanity cost us our friendship. In the long run he ended up losing his job and I believe that was related to his 2012 beliefs.

You've got Icke fans supporting the the moon matrix theory and the belief system it leads you to as a legitimate, valid, and credible view of 'reality'. Icke fans are rooting people on to their doom.

It's not only that though. Icke fans don't care that Icke is leading people to this horrible abyss of a belief system. No one outside of Icke's circle is gonna believe the moon matrix theory and where it leads you to. That will only cause massive suffering for those who believe in it and their friends and loved ones too.

I've experienced something similar so I have lots of compassion for the victims here especially the children and spouses of those who believe this stuff, those people may suffer the most.

Where's the compassion of the Icke fans?

All of this has nothing to do with Icke, this is about a charlatan who is leading people to do their doom.

Icke fans should be open to all possibility especially the possibility that a different view of things is necessary for some people to realize what's going as is pointed out below:

I've had PMs from people, two lots of PMs. One is sort of like, "Thank you for waking me up I didn't actually realize what I was doing, I just got caught in this stuff.

If Icke fans had any real awareness they'd be happy that more information is being put out there so that people can make better decisions but what we're seeing from Icke fans in this thread is the opposite.

Why is it important to get this truth out? Knowledge is power. As is pointed out in the following video, some people have been led to a place they don't want to be because of Icke's belief system and they need help. I think about my friend and I'm sad that I didn't help him to overcome his insanity, I just cut him off. I may be trying to make up for that by doing this thread. I have a ton of compassion for people like him.

We've got the people who claim "Infinite love is the only truth..." showing no sympathy or compassion whatsoever. They won't show any sympathy or compassion for the suffering that Icke will do and has done with his other claims. I think that speaks for itself.

Quoting from this video below:

"Since my little bundle with David dIcke and of course him owning himself so spectacularly by claiming that the moon is a giant spacecraft inhabited by aliens controlling us with mind rays, I've had PMs from people, two lots of PMs. One is sort of like, "Thank you for waking me up I didn't actually realize what I was doing, I just got caught in this stuff. Well, yeah, you know, because, you know TV programs are called a program for a reason and you know, movies are the same thing, they are a program. They are a program that goes in your head and it will stay there, you know. The more interesting they make it, the more exciting they make it, the more it will fiddle with your mind. It will just, you know, mess around with you there and you want to hear words like matrix and blue pill, red pill, and you know the rabbit hole, and the spider's web and stuff like that. Because it makes for a good dungeons and dragons conversation. But, big kids get together and that's what they do, they're playing dungeons and dragons and they don't even realize it....

Do this: go and start telling your friends and all your families and your workmates and everyone that you meet, start telling them that you believe what David dIcke has said. You believe that the moon is a giant spaceship full of aliens controlling us with mind rays....

You discover that your wife has been having an affair behind your back and you say to her, "Why did you do it?" And she says, "I'm sorry baby but the aliens in the moon with the mind rays, they made me do it. It's not my fault." Are you gonna believe her? Are you? I don't think you are, are you? But, you see, this is the problem. If you're prepared to accept that the moon is a giant spaceship full of aliens controlling you with mind rays then you're gonna have to accept that your wife or your girlfriend or your husband or whoever one day can turn around and say that to you..."

How do Icke fans watch the video below and claim to know with COMPLETE CERTAINTY that David "Icke" doesn’t have ties to Freemasonry?

Icke expects people to believe that he walked into a masonic temple, sat down at in a Grand Master Mason Throne, snapped a picture and got up and left?

I don't buy it, he's involved with masonry somehow and I think that picture together with his explanation is proof of that. He said it was "probably" the first time he had sat at that thrown? "Probably"?

The claim was made repeatedly in this thread that cults are primarily about money. I think it's a misnomer to claim that cults are primarily about money in most cases. For example, how often in the following video is money mentioned?

Below is some of Ivan Fraser's description of what he seems to think is David "Icke"'s cult. He doesn't mention money at all.

Quoting from "David dIcke, Arizona Wilder and the Biggest Secret" By Ivan Fraser

To me, Icke bears all of the main attributes of a cult leader. I am of the opinion that ALL who open themselves to guidance from external forces are being manipulated by the unseen archons that influence religion, control the illuiminists ,Masons, cults, New age channellers, prophets etc. they are astral souls who did not ascend to Source and are stuck int he astral heavens that they themselves created by their misperceptions whilst alive.

They see themselves as ascended masters and guides and are trying to programme humanity via their influence through the auric field, by preprogramming souls to reincarnate into new born souls, all with the intention of creating their heaven on earth. They create gurus and messiah sand prophets - and these people then programme others by dint of their cult of personality.many are absolutely genuine and don't realise that spirituality comes from within, even though they continually tell people it does.They lose self-awareness and become convinced they are on a mission to save others, or they cannot ignore the drive to preach to others what is being fed to them from 'beyond'. The more they heed the voices and the more mytical experiences they have, the more they open up. And their drive is male intellectual energy. It isn't felt within, it doesn't come from their spirit, it is downloaded and repeated. Their veil of perception makes them see only what the controllers want them to see. They filter what goes in and then spew it out as a distortion of reality.

They don't sympathize or empathize with others, they intellectualize and create rules and regulations and interpretations to explain things to others. They believe they have a gift and become impermeable to criticism, finding reinforcement of their opinions by others who parrot back the same misperceptions to them, and they couldn't care about those who disagree.

. If you're prepared to accept that the moon is a giant spaceship full of aliens controlling you with mind rays then you're gonna have to accept that your wife or your girlfriend or your husband or whoever one day can turn around and say that to you..."

This thread is about truth which comes from evidence, logic, facts, and proof. All I've tried to do in this thread is provide information and views which I think are important for people in the "truth movement." I've provided supporting evidence so that people can have accurate information to make better decisions.

In order for the claim that this thread and my intentions aren't about truth to be valid, someone will have to show that the following information isn't true because the following explains many of my reasons for creating this thread.

The more accurate information people have, the better decisions people can make isn't that what Icke is supposedly about?

The 2012 hoax alone has caused people to go insane and lose a lot. I knew someone who I believe was driven insane by it. He believed 100% in the 'Mayan prophecy' and that December 21st 2012 was the end of the world. I had to cut ties with him because he was too crazy for me. He said that aliens were coming to save certain chosen people on December 21st 2012 of which he was one and that people like him would be taken off in a giant spaceship. He had given up his whole life to that belief basically. It's tragic.

Now you've got Icke fans saying that the moon matrix theory and the belief system it leads you to (see below) are a legitimate view of 'reality' and they support it as valid and credible.

It becomes incredibly tragic when you realize that if people actually do what gorilla199 suggested:

"go and start telling your friends and all your families and your workmates and everyone that you meet, start telling them that you believe what David dIcke has said. You believe that the moon is a giant spaceship full of aliens controlling us with mind rays"

It's going to cost people their relationships, their careers, their standing in the community, etc.. That's what happened between me and my old friend I just mentioned. Him sharing his outrageous beliefs about 2012 and the aliens that would save humanity cost us our friendship. In the long run he ended up losing his job and I believe that was related to his 2012 beliefs.

You've got Icke fans supporting the the moon matrix theory and the belief system it leads you to as a legitimate, valid, and credible view of 'reality'. Icke fans are rooting people on to their doom.

It's not only that though. Icke fans don't care that Icke is leading people to this horrible abyss of a belief system. No one outside of Icke's circle is gonna believe the moon matrix theory and where it leads you to. That will only cause massive suffering for those who believe in it and their friends and loved ones too.

I've experienced something similar so I have lots of compassion for the victims here especially the children and spouses of those who believe this stuff, those people may suffer the most.

Where's the compassion of the Icke fans?

All of this has nothing to do with Icke, this is about a charlatan who is leading people to do their doom.

Icke fans should be open to all possibility especially the possibility that a different view of things is necessary for some people to realize what's going as is pointed out below:

I've had PMs from people, two lots of PMs. One is sort of like, "Thank you for waking me up I didn't actually realize what I was doing, I just got caught in this stuff.

If Icke fans had any real awareness they'd be happy that more information is being put out there so that people can make better decisions but what we're seeing from Icke fans in this thread is the opposite.

Why is it important to get this truth out? Knowledge is power. As is pointed out in the following video, some people have been led to a place they don't want to be because of Icke's belief system and they need help. I think about my friend and I'm sad that I didn't help him to overcome his insanity, I just cut him off. I may be trying to make up for that by doing this thread. I have a ton of compassion for people like him.

We've got the people who claim "Infinite love is the only truth..." showing no sympathy or compassion whatsoever. They won't show any sympathy or compassion for the suffering that Icke will do and has done with his other claims. I think that speaks for itself.

Quoting from this video below:

"Since my little bundle with David dIcke and of course him owning himself so spectacularly by claiming that the moon is a giant spacecraft inhabited by aliens controlling us with mind rays, I've had PMs from people, two lots of PMs. One is sort of like, "Thank you for waking me up I didn't actually realize what I was doing, I just got caught in this stuff. Well, yeah, you know, because, you know TV programs are called a program for a reason and you know, movies are the same thing, they are a program. They are a program that goes in your head and it will stay there, you know. The more interesting they make it, the more exciting they make it, the more it will fiddle with your mind. It will just, you know, mess around with you there and you want to hear words like matrix and blue pill, red pill, and you know the rabbit hole, and the spider's web and stuff like that. Because it makes for a good dungeons and dragons conversation. But, big kids get together and that's what they do, they're playing dungeons and dragons and they don't even realize it....

Do this: go and start telling your friends and all your families and your workmates and everyone that you meet, start telling them that you believe what David dIcke has said. You believe that the moon is a giant spaceship full of aliens controlling us with mind rays....

You discover that your wife has been having an affair behind your back and you say to her, "Why did you do it?" And she says, "I'm sorry baby but the aliens in the moon with the mind rays, they made me do it. It's not my fault." Are you gonna believe her? Are you? I don't think you are, are you? But, you see, this is the problem. If you're prepared to accept that the moon is a giant spaceship full of aliens controlling you with mind rays then you're gonna have to accept that your wife or your girlfriend or your husband or whoever one day can turn around and say that to you..."

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23254866

The post above was in response to the statement "OP you seem to have soe sort of worrying obsession with Mr Icke...."

What I'm doing is no different than what Icke has made a career out of:

I'm pointing out the actions and statements of a public figure and the significance of those actions and statements.

The difference between Icke and myself is that I can point to actual evidence to back up what I'm saying but Icke usually can't.

People are free to believe what they want but the more accurate information people have, the better decisions people can make isn't that what Icke is supposedly about?

It's amazing that Icke fans will support Icke concerning theories that he has no solid evidence for and then criticize a person for trying to present information that's backed by solid evidence.

It's going to cost people their relationships, their careers, their standing in the community, etc.. That's what happened between me and my old friend I just mentioned. Him sharing his outrageous beliefs about 2012 and the aliens that would save humanity cost us our friendship. In the long run he ended up losing his job and I believe that was related to his 2012 beliefs.

In the long run he ended up losing his job and I believe that was related to his 2012 beliefs.

The reason I believe this may have been the case is because this person was fired for not putting in enough effort, at least that's what I was told. I think his 2012 beliefs may have played a part in that but I'm not sure because I didn't speak to him about it. I just put two and two together, why try your best when you think the world's gonna end in a few months? That is speculation on my part which is why I said, "I believe."

I was accused of making that up...on what evidence? None of course! Evidence and proof are so old fashioned.

Still, Icke fans have shown no compassion or sympathy and only accuse me of lying.

Almost all the attacks coming against me in this thread are ad hominem attacks now:

An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man"), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an argument made personally against an opponent, instead of against the opponent's argument.

OP, you're completely right about Icke. All of these staunch defenders of Icke are heavily in denial and they wont even provide accurate feedback about the questions you or I pose because in doing so, it means that they have to admit that they have been conned and their little fantasy world will crumble all around them, and then they return to reality where things are less exciting than a sci-fi world filled with evil reptoid aliens are running amok.

And funnily enough, these people actually come across in their posts as wannabe Jedi knights or members of the SS Enterprise.

OP, you're completely right about Icke. All of these staunch defenders of Icke are heavily in denial and they wont even provide accurate feedback about the questions you or I pose because in doing so, it means that they have to admit that they have been conned and their little fantasy world will crumble all around them, and then they return to reality where things are less exciting than a sci-fi world filled with evil reptoid aliens are running amok.

And funnily enough, these people actually come across in their posts as wannabe Jedi knights or members of the SS Enterprise.

They need a reality check and fast.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4505552

You're funny

I'm pretty sure that not a single person on any of these recent David "Icke" suck threads have said they believe everything he says. Perhaps you may point me to one?

I'm happy with my beliefs, I'm happy with yours, I'm happy for Op's. If we couldn't have our own beliefs we would be back to a time where religion ruled the World with an iron fist. I'm happy we can all express ourselves

Be the change you want the World to be. Be someone that makes you happy.

OP, you're completely right about Icke. All of these staunch defenders of Icke are heavily in denial and they wont even provide accurate feedback about the questions you or I pose because in doing so, it means that they have to admit that they have been conned and their little fantasy world will crumble all around them, and then they return to reality where things are less exciting than a sci-fi world filled with evil reptoid aliens are running amok.

And funnily enough, these people actually come across in their posts as wannabe Jedi knights or members of the SS Enterprise.

They need a reality check and fast.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4505552

You're funny

I'm pretty sure that not a single person on any of these recent David "Icke" suck threads have said they believe everything he says. Perhaps you may point me to one?

I'm happy with my beliefs, I'm happy with yours, I'm happy for Op's. If we couldn't have our own beliefs we would be back to a time where religion ruled the World with an iron fist. I'm happy we can all express ourselves

Quoting: WeAreOne

They don't need to tell us that they believe in everything Icke says, it's pretty obvious due to the fact that they either dodge the questions posed to them about Icke or quote Icke's get-out-of-jail-card-free excuses. But if any of these brainwashed Ickians cared to examine things in closer detail, the truth would smack them right in the face, but they wont do that because that means their little ego trip at Rekall Inc has come to a sad end.

OP, you're completely right about Icke. All of these staunch defenders of Icke are heavily in denial and they wont even provide accurate feedback about the questions you or I pose because in doing so, it means that they have to admit that they have been conned and their little fantasy world will crumble all around them, and then they return to reality where things are less exciting than a sci-fi world filled with evil reptoid aliens are running amok.

And funnily enough, these people actually come across in their posts as wannabe Jedi knights or members of the SS Enterprise.

They need a reality check and fast.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4505552

Thank you, it's appalling! What's going on this is thread is frightening. The following video might help people understand what's going on in this thread. These Icke fans frequently show the classic symptoms of being narcissistic and the following video addresses what you're saying.

OP, you're completely right about Icke. All of these staunch defenders of Icke are heavily in denial and they wont even provide accurate feedback about the questions you or I pose because in doing so, it means that they have to admit that they have been conned and their little fantasy world will crumble all around them, and then they return to reality where things are less exciting than a sci-fi world filled with evil reptoid aliens are running amok.

And funnily enough, these people actually come across in their posts as wannabe Jedi knights or members of the SS Enterprise.

They need a reality check and fast.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4505552

You're funny

I'm pretty sure that not a single person on any of these recent David "Icke" suck threads have said they believe everything he says. Perhaps you may point me to one?

I'm happy with my beliefs, I'm happy with yours, I'm happy for Op's. If we couldn't have our own beliefs we would be back to a time where religion ruled the World with an iron fist. I'm happy we can all express ourselves

Quoting: WeAreOne

Do you support the the moon matrix theory and the belief system it leads you to as a legitimate, valid, and credible view of 'reality'?

OP, you're completely right about Icke. All of these staunch defenders of Icke are heavily in denial and they wont even provide accurate feedback about the questions you or I pose because in doing so, it means that they have to admit that they have been conned and their little fantasy world will crumble all around them, and then they return to reality where things are less exciting than a sci-fi world filled with evil reptoid aliens are running amok.

And funnily enough, these people actually come across in their posts as wannabe Jedi knights or members of the SS Enterprise.

They need a reality check and fast.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4505552

You're funny

I'm pretty sure that not a single person on any of these recent David "Icke" suck threads have said they believe everything he says. Perhaps you may point me to one?

I'm happy with my beliefs, I'm happy with yours, I'm happy for Op's. If we couldn't have our own beliefs we would be back to a time where religion ruled the World with an iron fist. I'm happy we can all express ourselves

Quoting: WeAreOne

They don't need to tell us that they believe in everything Icke says, it's pretty obvious due to the fact that they either dodge the questions posed to them about Icke or quote Icke's get-out-of-jail-card-free excuses. But if any of these brainwashed Ickians cared to examine things in closer detail, the truth would smack them right in the face, but they wont do that because that means their little ego trip at Rekall Inc has come to a sad end.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6186107

Ahhhhhh I see. So anyone who says that they believe in some of what he says actually means they believe everything he says and if anyone believes anything he says they are...

But if anyone doesn't believe a single word he says are...

So even though I don't believe in the shapeshifting and moon dish I actually do because you said so?

Got it!

I'm only playing, I don't mean anything by it

Be the change you want the World to be. Be someone that makes you happy.

OP, you're completely right about Icke. All of these staunch defenders of Icke are heavily in denial and they wont even provide accurate feedback about the questions you or I pose because in doing so, it means that they have to admit that they have been conned and their little fantasy world will crumble all around them, and then they return to reality where things are less exciting than a sci-fi world filled with evil reptoid aliens are running amok.

And funnily enough, these people actually come across in their posts as wannabe Jedi knights or members of the SS Enterprise.

They need a reality check and fast.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4505552

You're funny

I'm pretty sure that not a single person on any of these recent David "Icke" suck threads have said they believe everything he says. Perhaps you may point me to one?

I'm happy with my beliefs, I'm happy with yours, I'm happy for Op's. If we couldn't have our own beliefs we would be back to a time where religion ruled the World with an iron fist. I'm happy we can all express ourselves

Quoting: WeAreOne

That's what they don't get. They cannot accept others having differing views.

I'm pretty sure that not a single person on any of these recent David "Icke" suck threads have said they believe everything he says. Perhaps you may point me to one?

I'm happy with my beliefs, I'm happy with yours, I'm happy for Op's. If we couldn't have our own beliefs we would be back to a time where religion ruled the World with an iron fist. I'm happy we can all express ourselves

Quoting: WeAreOne

Do you support the the moon matrix theory and the belief system it leads you to as a legitimate, valid, and credible view of 'reality'?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23254866

Why is it so important that you have to know what each person believes?

OP, you're completely right about Icke. All of these staunch defenders of Icke are heavily in denial and they wont even provide accurate feedback about the questions you or I pose because in doing so, it means that they have to admit that they have been conned and their little fantasy world will crumble all around them, and then they return to reality where things are less exciting than a sci-fi world filled with evil reptoid aliens are running amok.

And funnily enough, these people actually come across in their posts as wannabe Jedi knights or members of the SS Enterprise.

They need a reality check and fast.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4505552

You're funny

I'm pretty sure that not a single person on any of these recent David "Icke" suck threads have said they believe everything he says. Perhaps you may point me to one?

I'm happy with my beliefs, I'm happy with yours, I'm happy for Op's. If we couldn't have our own beliefs we would be back to a time where religion ruled the World with an iron fist. I'm happy we can all express ourselves

Quoting: WeAreOne

That's what they don't get. They cannot accept others having differing views.

It drives them crazy.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27580672

So I see

It isn't up to me to change someone else's views because I respect all views. If you think David is wrong on everything that's cool. I'm not going to defend him because I respect your views as equally as mine.

Be the change you want the World to be. Be someone that makes you happy.

OP, you're completely right about Icke. All of these staunch defenders of Icke are heavily in denial and they wont even provide accurate feedback about the questions you or I pose because in doing so, it means that they have to admit that they have been conned and their little fantasy world will crumble all around them, and then they return to reality where things are less exciting than a sci-fi world filled with evil reptoid aliens are running amok.

And funnily enough, these people actually come across in their posts as wannabe Jedi knights or members of the SS Enterprise.

They need a reality check and fast.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4505552

You're funny

I'm pretty sure that not a single person on any of these recent David "Icke" suck threads have said they believe everything he says. Perhaps you may point me to one?

I'm happy with my beliefs, I'm happy with yours, I'm happy for Op's. If we couldn't have our own beliefs we would be back to a time where religion ruled the World with an iron fist. I'm happy we can all express ourselves

Quoting: WeAreOne

They don't need to tell us that they believe in everything Icke says, it's pretty obvious due to the fact that they either dodge the questions posed to them about Icke or quote Icke's get-out-of-jail-card-free excuses. But if any of these brainwashed Ickians cared to examine things in closer detail, the truth would smack them right in the face, but they wont do that because that means their little ego trip at Rekall Inc has come to a sad end.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6186107

Ahhhhhh I see. So anyone who says that they believe in some of what he says actually means they believe everything he says and if anyone believes anything he says they are...

But if anyone doesn't believe a single word he says are...

So even though I don't believe in the shapeshifting and moon dish I actually do because you said so?

Got it!

I'm only playing, I don't mean anything by it

Quoting: WeAreOne

So you don't believe in the moon matrix!!! Finally an answer.

Let's keep this going...Do you have any sympathy or compassion for people who will be pulled into the moon matrix theory and the belief system it leads to such as what's described below?

The 2012 hoax alone has caused people to go insane and lose a lot. I knew someone who I believe was driven insane by it. He believed 100% in the 'Mayan prophecy' and that December 21st 2012 was the end of the world. I had to cut ties with him because he was too crazy for me. He said that aliens were coming to save certain chosen people on December 21st 2012 of which he was one and that people like him would be taken off in a giant spaceship. He had given up his whole life to that belief basically. It's tragic.

Now you've got Icke fans saying that the moon matrix theory and the belief system it leads you to (see below) are a legitimate view of 'reality' and they support it as valid and credible.

It becomes incredibly tragic when you realize that if people actually do what gorilla199 suggested:

"go and start telling your friends and all your families and your workmates and everyone that you meet, start telling them that you believe what David dIcke has said. You believe that the moon is a giant spaceship full of aliens controlling us with mind rays"

It's going to cost people their relationships, their careers, their standing in the community, etc.. That's what happened between me and my old friend I just mentioned. Him sharing his outrageous beliefs about 2012 and the aliens that would save humanity cost us our friendship. In the long run he ended up losing his job and I believe that was related to his 2012 beliefs.

You've got Icke fans supporting the the moon matrix theory and the belief system it leads you to as a legitimate, valid, and credible view of 'reality'. Icke fans are rooting people on to their doom.

It's not only that though. Icke fans don't care that Icke is leading people to this horrible abyss of a belief system. No one outside of Icke's circle is gonna believe the moon matrix theory and where it leads you to. That will only cause massive suffering for those who believe in it and their friends and loved ones too.

I've experienced something similar so I have lots of compassion for the victims here especially the children and spouses of those who believe this stuff, those people may suffer the most.

Where's the compassion of the Icke fans?

All of this has nothing to do with Icke, this is about a charlatan who is leading people to do their doom.

Icke fans should be open to all possibility especially the possibility that a different view of things is necessary for some people to realize what's going as is pointed out below:

I've had PMs from people, two lots of PMs. One is sort of like, "Thank you for waking me up I didn't actually realize what I was doing, I just got caught in this stuff.

If Icke fans had any real awareness they'd be happy that more information is being put out there so that people can make better decisions but what we're seeing from Icke fans in this thread is the opposite.

Why is it important to get this truth out? Knowledge is power. As is pointed out in the following video, some people have been led to a place they don't want to be because of Icke's belief system and they need help. I think about my friend and I'm sad that I didn't help him to overcome his insanity, I just cut him off. I may be trying to make up for that by doing this thread. I have a ton of compassion for people like him.

We've got the people who claim "Infinite love is the only truth..." showing no sympathy or compassion whatsoever. They won't show any sympathy or compassion for the suffering that Icke will do and has done with his other claims. I think that speaks for itself.

Quoting from this video below:

"Since my little bundle with David dIcke and of course him owning himself so spectacularly by claiming that the moon is a giant spacecraft inhabited by aliens controlling us with mind rays, I've had PMs from people, two lots of PMs. One is sort of like, "Thank you for waking me up I didn't actually realize what I was doing, I just got caught in this stuff. Well, yeah, you know, because, you know TV programs are called a program for a reason and you know, movies are the same thing, they are a program. They are a program that goes in your head and it will stay there, you know. The more interesting they make it, the more exciting they make it, the more it will fiddle with your mind. It will just, you know, mess around with you there and you want to hear words like matrix and blue pill, red pill, and you know the rabbit hole, and the spider's web and stuff like that. Because it makes for a good dungeons and dragons conversation. But, big kids get together and that's what they do, they're playing dungeons and dragons and they don't even realize it....

Do this: go and start telling your friends and all your families and your workmates and everyone that you meet, start telling them that you believe what David dIcke has said. You believe that the moon is a giant spaceship full of aliens controlling us with mind rays....

You discover that your wife has been having an affair behind your back and you say to her, "Why did you do it?" And she says, "I'm sorry baby but the aliens in the moon with the mind rays, they made me do it. It's not my fault." Are you gonna believe her? Are you? I don't think you are, are you? But, you see, this is the problem. If you're prepared to accept that the moon is a giant spaceship full of aliens controlling you with mind rays then you're gonna have to accept that your wife or your girlfriend or your husband or whoever one day can turn around and say that to you..."

OP, you're completely right about Icke. All of these staunch defenders of Icke are heavily in denial and they wont even provide accurate feedback about the questions you or I pose because in doing so, it means that they have to admit that they have been conned and their little fantasy world will crumble all around them, and then they return to reality where things are less exciting than a sci-fi world filled with evil reptoid aliens are running amok.

And funnily enough, these people actually come across in their posts as wannabe Jedi knights or members of the SS Enterprise.

They need a reality check and fast.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4505552

You're funny

I'm pretty sure that not a single person on any of these recent David "Icke" suck threads have said they believe everything he says. Perhaps you may point me to one?

I'm happy with my beliefs, I'm happy with yours, I'm happy for Op's. If we couldn't have our own beliefs we would be back to a time where religion ruled the World with an iron fist. I'm happy we can all express ourselves

Quoting: WeAreOne

That's what they don't get. They cannot accept others having differing views.

It drives them crazy.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27580672

So I see

It isn't up to me to change someone else's views because I respect all views. If you think David is wrong on everything that's cool. I'm not going to defend him because I respect your views as equally as mine.

Quoting: WeAreOne

I thought I had an answer but now I'm not sure. Would you answer this question directly please?

Do you support the the moon matrix theory and the belief system it leads you to as a legitimate, valid, and credible view of 'reality'?