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Espada personalities

We all know the Espada's represent different aspects of death. We also know there were supposed to be seven that represented the seven deadly sins, but Kubo changed the number and representation. However, the characters themselves still seem to be designed (actions and personalities) in relation to the (seven) deadly sins, in my opinion at least.

The seven deadly sins have been re-worked in the past, however they can be split up into ten: Lust, Extravagance (form of Lust), Gluttony, Acedia (form of Sloth), Despair (second form of Sloth), Wrath, Pride, Vainglory (form of pride), Greed, and Envy.

Re: Espada personalities

What is Hallibel lusting for? That one seems totally random to me. She was shown as a caring personality, who doesn't want to spill innocent blood. She's neither lusting for power nor for anything else but protecting her closest companions.

Zommari with Pride seems also not right to me. Even Lust would cover him more than Pride (Amore ability).

For the rest, well yeah Yammy's ability is to suck souls and build up reiatsu, might fit. As well as for Aaroniero, if not even more. Wrath would fits too, even Greed to some points.
Starrk with Acedia, yeah in prerelease he's pretty slothy, also while fighting he often asked himself why does he have to face those oponents. Despair could have work too,cuz he was desperate to find some comrades.
Barragan and Vainglory works well. Coulda been used for like everyone who underestimated his opponent and ended up dying through that, too (Aa,..huh, the only one, rly??)
Ulquiorra and Despair, that's also what Kubo was thinking, IIRC. Lust would fit at the end, when he.. omg.. 'the heart', you know.

Re: Espada personalities

Originally Posted by Evil3ye

What is Hallibel lusting for? That one seems totally random to me. She was shown as a caring personality, who doesn't want to spill innocent blood. She's neither lusting for power nor for anything else but protecting her closest companions.

Zommari with Pride seems also not right to me. Even Lust would cover him more than Pride (Amore ability).

For the rest, well yeah Yammy's ability is to suck souls and build up reiatsu, might fit. As well as for Aaroniero, if not even more. Wrath would fits too, even Greed to some points.
Starrk with Acedia, yeah in prerelease he's pretty slothy, also while fighting he often asked himself why does he have to face those oponents. Despair could have work too,cuz he was desperate to find some comrades.
Barragan and Vainglory works well. Coulda been used for like everyone who underestimated his opponent and ended up dying through that, too (Aa,..huh, the only one, rly??)
Ulquiorra and Despair, that's also what Kubo was thinking, IIRC. Lust would fit at the end, when he.. omg.. 'the heart', you know.

Harribel was one I couldn't really decide as to what could fit as her persona outside of compassion towards her comrades. In the end, I thought that lust might suit her best because of how she dresses and possibly a lust for companionship, which was sated but then destroyed by Yamamoto. Lust is another emotion that can fit anywhere really.

I guess I'll explain my reasoning for the others as well.

Yammy, you hit the nail on the head as to why I thought of him as gluttony. The first we see of him, he instantly assesses the quality of the area for consumption purposes and then proceeds to eat.

Starrk, from the get-go he's apathetic to everything around him. He doesn't care what happens to others or what they choose to do, as seen in his fight and his reaction to the death of his comrades.

Baraggan, basically he is extremely arrogant to the point that it's his destruction. His death was because he believed that he was beyond death, more precisely death by aging, and he is killed by his own ability. Hence, he has false pride.

Ulquiorra, he always looked as if he was crying or lamenting. And he always had a bleak tone, always referred to hopelessness in others and on the verge of death he showed that he was uncaring of his own death. I wouldn't classify him as a Starrk because he was always in movement and serving Aizen without a word of resentment or lack of interest.

Nnoitra, strived to grow because he didn't want to be classified as weak. He envied those stronger than him more than anyone else in the espada, which drove him to plot against Nelliel, didn't want to look weaker than a woman, and anyone else he could.

Grimmjow, always pissed off and always looking for a fight, lol.

Zommari, he was very proud in his own ability, speed and technique, and in his "god" Aizen. He was the only one that held Aizen as a "god", all the others used Aizen for power, friendship, or in fear/submission.

Granz, I guess he could of been a good candidate for vainglory, I thought that the way he dressed and how he acted could be interpreted as extravagant. Another hard one to really place in one category.

Aaroniero, another one that could be categorized as gluttony or greed, both can be interwoven, although I felt his greed for power is what drove him ultimately to gluttony.

Re: Espada personalities

So because Hallibel is female and looks -lustful- it fits her the most? That one is still bugging me a lot.

Also you interpreted Starrks action completely wrong it seems. He was the only Espada how commented the loss of Aaroniero without looking down on him and found it depressing how no body said something after Barragan's demise. Further more either Love or Rose figured that he's the type who fall into despair (or the likes) after the death of a companion.
Even though he was slothy, as you already said, carelessness is anyone but him.

Further more, I want to mention that Grimmjow's 'wrath' might also be interpreted as just rivalry (toward Ichigo). If you think of it closer you'll figure out that all of his rebelliously actions had something to do with Ichigo (heading off to KKT with his fraccions without premission, ignoring Aizen's instructions, getting rid of Loly and Menoly to free Orihime, the melee with Ulquiorra.. all things can be connected to Ichigo, which he said was only 'his prey'). It's not uncontrolled wrath and random aggression, like it'd be in Yammy's case (killing dozen humans by sucking their souls, killing a companion who doctored him, Rudobone, Loly, Menoly, etcetc).

Re: Espada personalities

Originally Posted by Evil3ye

So because Hallibel is female and looks -lustful- it fits her the most? That one is still bugging me a lot.

I stated before, she was the one I had the most trouble identifying with an aspect of the deadly sins. It might of been better to exclude her because she really doesn't fit, unless you try to fit her in, which makes it awkward and not necessarily true, which you have pointed out.

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Also you interpreted Starrks action completely wrong it seems. He was the only Espada how commented the loss of Aaroniero without looking down on him and found it depressing how no body said something after Barragan's demise. Further more either Love or Rose figured that he's the type who fall into despair (or the likes) after the death of a companion.
Even though he was slothy, as you already said, carelessness is anyone but him.

Ya I agree with that, Starrk was looking for companions, which is why he joined up with Aizen, and why he commented on the death of Aaroniero. I do believe his personality is best described as apathetic, mainly because of how he acted before/during his battle. Despair does fit him as well, now that I look back at it, although I'd still stay Ulquiorra personified despair too a much greater extent.

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Further more, I want to mention that Grimmjow's 'wrath' might also be interpreted as just rivalry (toward Ichigo). If you think of it closer you'll figure out that all of his rebelliously actions had something to do with Ichigo (heading off to KKT with his fraccions without premission, ignoring Aizen's instructions, getting rid of Loly and Menoly to free Orihime, the melee with Ulquiorra.. all things can be connected to Ichigo, which he said was only 'his prey'). It's not uncontrolled wrath and random aggression, like it'd be in Yammy's case (killing dozen humans by sucking their souls, killing a companion who doctored him, Rudobone, Loly, Menoly, etcetc).

Yammy's violence just stems from the fact that he has no respect for those weaker than him. He does not value life and his killing during the series seemed to be a bi-product of that. To me, he doesn't even seem angry during the Byakuya/Kenpachi fight, the very fact that he's saying that he's reached his anger threshold so calmly doesn't seem right to me. I'm not saying he hasn't but I wouldn't call what he's feeling worthy of the title of wrath, which is a more powerful emotion that fits Grimmjow better imo. Yes Grimmjow's rebellious actions are due to Ichigo, in fact, Ichigo's personality and eyes are what piss Grimmjow off most. No other character has shown so much blind hatred that could be comparable to Grimmjow, including Yammy's "cool" anger.

Re: Espada personalities

Well, at first he had the goal to gain power by becoming a vastrolord menos. After Aizen gave him the power through arrancarization instead, he wanted to test it on battlefield. There was no longer the fear to regress to gillian level.

In Ichigo he might have seen an worthy (?) opponent/rival.. dunno. Dude got some issues, from every point of view.

Re: Espada personalities

grimmjow was quiet maybe his arrancarization built up a blood lust in him ..he wanted to be stronger then meets someone who Aizen wants to watch..he thinks he kills ichigo he be stronger than everyone.

as harribel i would say she more wrath..espically after death of faccion or just attacking her faccion...but not lust...

Re: Espada personalities

Yammy Riyalgo - Gluttony
>Pretty much self explainitory.
Coyote Starrk - Sloth
>Starrk's sin is not just laziness it's depression he does not like to fight out of fear not his own of course but fear for his comrades lives which would leave him truely alone.
Baraggan Luisenbarn - Pride
>Baraggan is Pride pure and simple, his own zanpaktou is arrogance incarnate. He is not Vainglory though because his pride is justified with the only thing capable of killing him being his own power.
Tia Harribel - N/A
>As I see it Harribel doesn't have a real sin except maybe the mistake of following Aizen.
Ulquiorra Cifer - Melancholy
>Ulquiorra isn't despair really he is empty inside he has no emotions weither good or bad he's pretty much a hollow sell.
Nnoitra Jiruga - Envy
>Pretty obvious really.
Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez - Wrath
>Also pretty obvious except he isn't really a blind rage or unnessicarily angry just the want to destroy his opponets.
Zommari Leroux - Lust
>His amor lusting after control and power of the ones he faces.
Szayel Aporro Granz - Vainglory
>What got me here is his claims of perfection but this is an empty boast.
Aaroniero Arruruerie - Greed
>Again obvious.

Re: Espada personalities

Yammy's is true based on his Gonzui and stuff like that, but his aspect shouldn't be Gluttony. That should be Aaroniero's. And Greed isn't the same as Gluttony. Gluttony indicates eating things, which is what Aaroniero's power is entirely based on.

Re: Espada personalities

Originally Posted by slmcknett

Yammy's is true based on his Gonzui and stuff like that, but his aspect shouldn't be Gluttony. That should be Aaroniero's. And Greed isn't the same as Gluttony. Gluttony indicates eating things, which is what Aaroniero's power is entirely based on.

I agree with you that Yammy should be Wrath but I thought it fit Grimmjow as well so I let Grimmjow have it but for the rest of your reversions they're mostly based on things that have nothing to do about personality. Starrk is sloth but that isn't his aspect (which is Solitude or Lonliness), Ulquiorra's personality is pretty far from Prideful only boasting because of pervious experince with Ichigo. Grimmjow isn't really Greed since he spared his fraccions lives instead of eating pieces of them to gain power and Azayelaporro isn't Lustful in anyway really besides his zanpakto.

Re: Espada personalities

Originally Posted by Mashiro_Luna

I agree with you that Yammy should be Wrath but I thought it fit Grimmjow as well so I let Grimmjow have it but for the rest of your reversions they're mostly based on things that have nothing to do about personality. Starrk is sloth but that isn't his aspect (which is Solitude or Lonliness), Ulquiorra's personality is pretty far from Prideful only boasting because of pervious experince with Ichigo. Grimmjow isn't really Greed since he spared his fraccions lives instead of eating pieces of them to gain power and Azayelaporro isn't Lustful in anyway really besides his zanpakto.

Well yeah, the Grimmjow thing is only by default since nobody really fit that category. Also, Szayelaporro was chosen for Lust, because half of his techniques have to do with some sort of sexual connotation (impregnating Nemu, giving off suggestive groaning, reproduction of enemies, etc.).

Also, yeah, I forgot Starrk's aspect was Solitude. But, whatever, he's obviously Sloth so it doesn't really matter. And I only chose Ulquiorra as Pride, because it seems that's what Kubo's hinting at. Personally, I'd pick Zommari for Pride due to his whole attitude of arrogance towards Byakuya (who'se like Mr. Pride himself...)

Re: Espada personalities

Yeah I guess Szayelaporro could be lust I forgot a few of his abilities had to do with that but I thought Vainglory fit him better with all his boasting about being a perfect being but whatever.

Yeah Starrk is Sloth away so it doesn't matter but Ulquiorra isn't prideful all that much compared to the other Espada, he's more emptyness. I wouldn't call Zommari Pride though since Baraggan takes the cake on that one.