I agree Saturn, but I still think Superman was more of an ***hole that Batman, and that's saying something.

The fight he had with Captain Marvel and Captain Atom to an extent was unnecessary. In the episode "Clash" he was desperate to "expose" Luthor thus completely ignoring Batman's advice. Of course there was also the episode when Superman wanted revenge on Cadmus without thinking about how the public would perceive the League, his line to Green Arrow "Do I look like Batman to you?" reeked of douchebag. Superman's tone in JLU was a lot different than his STAS counterpart.

I think it is only natural that Batman would become more apprehensive as he enters the league. I don't really think the character approved of the whole Unlimited angle of the league and was constantly tested during the Cadmus arc.

I wasn't a big fan of JL/JLU in general. Something about it just seemed off to me, and the way both Batman and Superman were portrayed at times just seemed off. Having said that, the main reason I watched was for Green Lantern and Flash and I quite liked the way Stewart and West were shown.

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I agree Saturn, but I still think Superman was more of an ***hole that Batman, and that's saying something.

The fight he had with Captain Marvel and Captain Atom to an extent was unnecessary. In the episode "Clash" he was desperate to "expose" Luthor thus completely ignoring Batman's advice. Of course there was also the episode when Superman wanted revenge on Cadmus without thinking about how the public would perceive the League, his line to Green Arrow "Do I look like Batman to you?" reeked of douchebag. Superman's tone in JLU was a lot different than his STAS counterpart.

I have to agree. The "Clash" episode is so fake. Captain Marvel, okay, he is a kid, and Superman fell for something THAT obvious? Superman (in the whole series) seems like he has to prove something all the time.

They required those story lines because hey ultimately wanted to show the justice league slowly and surely start acting very similar to the justice lords which was essentially the whole point of the cadmus arc.

Evolution of untrusting heroes where the ends justified the means no matter what was at cost.

As for bats, we all know he has never been much of a team player and he eventually leaves the team for one reason or another, even in retirement he kept the last remanining piece of kryptonite on planet earth because he ultimately never trusted superman after the darkseid incident in superman tas.

even in the secret society double parter you can see the strain it puts on superman to work together with other heroes, he's engulfed completely on representing the saviour of hte planet and he's able to see things others can't in luthor. His humanity and prejudice seeps out knowing fully well with all his powers, he can't really do anything to stop him.

I preferred these more complex and oposing personalities, it added something to cartoons that really hasn't been seen in western animation before, a real depth to characters and a solid story arc that had started out decades before with everything coming together perfectly.

the one thing you can't say about dcau is that it has plot holes, the whole universe is pretty damn solid.

Batman's wariness of his JLU colleagues was adapted from the modern day incarnation's relationship with other heroes in the comics.

Given the storylines (Justice Lords, Cadmus etc) is it any surprise that the DCAU Batman would be even more controlling and judgemental of his team's actions? Superman's anger at Cadmus's actions if unchallenged could have made them look like criminals.

It was ok, but I was never really a fan of the Timm version of The Justice League anyways, I didnt watch it much at all to be honest.

You know I agree DV. I've seen every JLU episode on Boomerang but now that I think about it a few things just bugged the crap out of me. The Cadmus storyline just went on and on. While the show is called Justice League Unlimited most of the episodes still dealt with the five or six of the main members. Superman was too much of a bad ass, and to think this is what some Supes fans want to see from the character. I can't stand John Stewart and Shayera, I'm just glad the writers somewhat got away from the focus on their relationship.

But yeah I agree Saturn you brought up a very valid point about Batman's demeanor. I've noticed the change ever since TNBA, and in JL/JLU at times ("Dead Reckoning" the Deadman episode) he also seems like the token "genius" of the league. (you know the one who knows everything about everything, the one who everyone goes to when they need some information.)

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Given the storylines (Justice Lords, Cadmus etc) is it any surprise that the DCAU Batman would be even more controlling and judgemental of his team's actions? Superman's anger at Cadmus's actions if unchallenged could have made them look like criminals.

The thing is Batman never really had a say in the Leagues actions I would even go as far to say that The Question raised more questions (pun intended) and doubt in the League than Batman ever did. I doubt the Justice Lords would have ever been around if Batman would have just intervened at some point.

In BTAS Batman was angry and intimidating at times, but yet he was still often a "nice uncle". He even made some funny remarks ("Let go off my cape", "I'll drive REALLY slow", Catwoman "I think there is something between us?" - "Yeah, I think it's the law", "I take it out of your salary", "garbage collection is usually mondays"). Even in Nolan's take he is like that.

In JL he is more like the 90s/early-00s comics all the time. As I put it: Unlikeable. Cannot understand why this guy has fans. I mean, look at the episode where the JL members become kids and Wonder WOman asks Batman if he likes it to be a kid again and Batman answers something like "I've never been a child since I turned 9" or something similar. C'mon, THIS is the guy who had a "Grey Ghost's Lair" replica in his batcave in BTAS.

In BTAS Batman was angry and intimidating at times, but yet he was still often a "nice uncle". He even made some funny remarks ("Let go off my cape", "I'll drive REALLY slow", Catwoman "I think there is something between us?" - "Yeah, I think it's the law", "I take it out of your salary", "garbage collection is usually mondays"). Even in Nolan's take he is like that.

In JL he is more like the 90s/early-00s comics all the time. As I put it: Unlikeable. Cannot understand why this guy has fans. I mean, look at the episode where the JL members become kids and Wonder WOman asks Batman if he likes it to be a kid again and Batman answers something like "I've never been a child since I turned 9" or something similar. C'mon, THIS is the guy who had a "Grey Ghost's Lair" replica in his batcave in BTAS.

That's true but sadly even that was missing in TNBA yeah he was like a "nice uncle" but I still felt WB wanted to make him more of a "bad ass" or more "cool" for the kids out there. TNBA was geared more towards kids than BTAS so their for Bruce Wayne wasn't his slightly phony charming self.

That's true but sadly even that was missing in TNBA yeah he was like a "nice uncle" but I still felt WB wanted to make him more of a "bad ass" or more "cool" for the kids out there. TNBA was geared more towards kids than BTAS so their for Bruce Wayne wasn't his slightly phony charming self.

Imagine someone of the JL had stumbled upon the GG Lair when they were in the batcave (Thangarian invasion episode). Flash: "Hey Bruce, lookie what I've found". And gone is your grim reputation, Batman.

Because, I often felt he was more concerned about Gotham than he was about the league. I do feel if batman intervened it would of been a totally different, but to me he always felt like Gotham was what he was supposed to protect, not the world.

The problem was in his lack of humanity. Only once was he a majorly explored character in Justice League when he talks to his clone, but even beyond that, that arc became Superman's anyway. Batman is easily one of them most tragic characters of the DCU and one that could be explored endlessly. So naturally Bruce Timm decided to throw that into the wind so he could "make Batman teh Bada$$!111!11!"

Because, I often felt he was more concerned about Gotham than he was about the league. I do feel if batman intervened it would of been a totally different, but to me he always felt like Gotham was what he was supposed to protect, not the world.

I agree with you. Most of the time he was "away" doing something in Gotham rather aiding the league. He's technically not a full-time member. Plus whenever he was with the league, I loved how certain problems could only be dealt with through his wits and tactics.

I agree with you. Most of the time he was "away" doing something in Gotham rather aiding the league. He's technically not a full-time member. Plus whenever he was with the league, I loved how certain problems could only be dealt with through his wits and tactics.