CleSportsTruth wrote:A DB who does NOTHING to help the most unwatchable offense in NFL history? Really? Why?

I was not aware that the draft has already occurred. Or that other than Richardson there was only one player the Browns are capable of picking.

Shoot. Guess it's too late for me to cancel my tickets. Shame the draft for the Browns ends at pick 4 too. Maybe the Browns could have done something more if they only had a 12 or more so picks or 4 of the top 100.

Now I'm going to go shoot myself. I'm just so depressed that the Browns were unable to get the last piece of the Superbowl puzzle.

CleSportsTruth wrote:But I really don't want to be stuck at 4 picking between Claiborne, Kalil and Blackmon.

I really don't understand why not. I mean most of us would rather be waiting in line at Dick's to buy our RGIII jersey's, but since that ain't happening why not just let the draft come to you. Why in the world do you want to trade up to fill a need at a position that has little or no value at the top of the first round?

Baby Jesus in a manger Thursday night at approximately 7:42 in the pm EDT cannot get here soon enough.

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I don't need to be patient, they're going to be shit forever. - CDT, discussing my favorite NFL team

CleSportsTruth wrote:But I really don't want to be stuck at 4 picking between Claiborne, Kalil and Blackmon.

I really don't understand why not. I mean most of us would rather be waiting in line at Dick's to buy our RGIII jersey's, but since that ain't happening why not just let the draft come to you. Why in the world do you want to trade up to fill a need at a position that has little or no value at the top of the first round?

Baby Jesus in a manger Thursday night at approximately 7:42 in the pm EDT cannot get here soon enough.

CleSportsTruth wrote:B/c Tom loves him some DB's. Also, I don't think they think as the rest of us do. Finally ask yourself this, if TR is off the board, who would the Browns realistically have above Claiborne?

I am not sure what color Kool Aid you have in front of you but I would recommend you stop drinking it. Since today must be the first day you've read about possible choices for the Browns here is a quick look at the likely candidates that have been discussed ad nauseum for the past 90 days or so who are almost certainly under consideration for the 4th pick.

LuckRGIIIRichardsonClaiborneBlackmonKalilTannehillFloyd

If three of those guys are gone then the Browns will likely pick someone else from that list.

CleSportsTruth wrote:But I really don't want to be stuck at 4 picking between Claiborne, Kalil and Blackmon.

I really don't understand why not. I mean most of us would rather be waiting in line at Dick's to buy our RGIII jersey's, but since that ain't happening why not just let the draft come to you. Why in the world do you want to trade up to fill a need at a position that has little or no value at the top of the first round?

Baby Jesus in a manger Thursday night at approximately 7:42 in the pm EDT cannot get here soon enough.

We're all sick of the suckage. But at some point, other than QB, the Browns need to stop drafting (reaching) for needs and just take go BPA. I have no idea what their board looks like, but if Kalil is the pick then he's the pick. If it's Blackmon then it's Blackmon. I would hate to see Heckert get too cute and out smart himself.

I don't need to be patient, they're going to be shit forever. - CDT, discussing my favorite NFL team

peeker643 wrote:BTW- how did I just hear about the 20 yr old Richardson having a 5 yr old and a 3 yr old only last night?

Kid puts in work all over the place apparently.

Same Mom for both, so we'll need to shelve the Antonio Cromartie jokes for awhile.

If his career lasts as long as LaDainian Tomlinson's or Tony Richardson's there's a shot for a father and son matchup in the future.

So there's that.

And I keep feeling sick about #4 on TR when the best we can hope for is that he puts up a Hillis-like season each year for the next 6-8 years (2010 Hillis). Honestly, the value in Hillis was running, receiving and pass-pro.

Had Hillis and the Browns not gone Kramer vs Kramer in 2011 they'd be getting substantially better instead of restoring their running game to 2010 levels when they went 5-11 with that kind of back.

peeker643 wrote:BTW- how did I just hear about the 20 yr old Richardson having a 5 yr old and a 3 yr old only last night?

Kid puts in work all over the place apparently.

Same Mom for both, so we'll need to shelve the Antonio Cromartie jokes for awhile.

If his career lasts as long as LaDainian Tomlinson's or Tony Richardson's there's a shot for a father and son matchup in the future.

So there's that.

And I keep feeling sick about #4 on TR when the best we can hope for is that he puts up a Hillis-like season each year for the next 6-8 years (2010 Hillis). Honestly, the value in Hillis was running, receiving and pass-pro.

Had Hillis and the Browns not gone Kramer vs Kramer in 2011 they'd be getting substantially better instead of restoring their running game to 2010 levels when they went 5-11 with that kind of back.

Awesome.

And had we signed a fa wr..... we could be drafting to complete the team.

peeker643 wrote:BTW- how did I just hear about the 20 yr old Richardson having a 5 yr old and a 3 yr old only last night?

Kid puts in work all over the place apparently.

Same Mom for both, so we'll need to shelve the Antonio Cromartie jokes for awhile.

If his career lasts as long as LaDainian Tomlinson's or Tony Richardson's there's a shot for a father and son matchup in the future.

So there's that.

And I keep feeling sick about #4 on TR when the best we can hope for is that he puts up a Hillis-like season each year for the next 6-8 years (2010 Hillis). Honestly, the value in Hillis was running, receiving and pass-pro.

Had Hillis and the Browns not gone Kramer vs Kramer in 2011 they'd be getting substantially better instead of restoring their running game to 2010 levels when they went 5-11 with that kind of back.

Awesome.

And had we signed a fa wr..... we could be drafting to complete the team.

Indeed. But oh, we would have "overpayed," ZOMG! B/c that NEVER happens in FA.

peeker643 wrote:BTW- how did I just hear about the 20 yr old Richardson having a 5 yr old and a 3 yr old only last night?

Kid puts in work all over the place apparently.

Same Mom for both, so we'll need to shelve the Antonio Cromartie jokes for awhile.

If his career lasts as long as LaDainian Tomlinson's or Tony Richardson's there's a shot for a father and son matchup in the future.

So there's that.

And I keep feeling sick about #4 on TR when the best we can hope for is that he puts up a Hillis-like season each year for the next 6-8 years (2010 Hillis). Honestly, the value in Hillis was running, receiving and pass-pro.

Had Hillis and the Browns not gone Kramer vs Kramer in 2011 they'd be getting substantially better instead of restoring their running game to 2010 levels when they went 5-11 with that kind of back.

Awesome.

Whoa! I actually agreed w/ you on keeping Hillis. The stuubbornness on all sides astounds me. That said, TR>Hillis, and it's really not close, I think. Better in almost all phases. Hillis is a good back; TR will be GREAT, IMHO.

If these morons end up getting Butch Davis'd into giving up a pick to move up one spot to #3 to RB ... AFTER shitting their pants during RG3 negotiations and missing out on a chance to get a franchise QB ...

"It's like dating a woman who hates you so much she will never break up with you, even if you burn down the house every single autumn." ~ Chuck Klosterman on Browns fans relationship with the Browns

swerb wrote:If these morons end up getting Butch Davis'd into giving up a pick to move up one spot to #3 to RB ... AFTER shitting their pants during RG3 negotiations and missing out on a chance to get a franchise QB ...

I mean, I agree on RG3, but I think the possibility of being jumped at 3 is far more real than Butch in '03. A 4 pick that results in a DB or RT is a nightmare, PR and otherwise, for them.

Having said that, still hoping for a trade down to TB or Mihammi and getting another 2nd.

I'd be fully onboard w/ this, if TR is gone, provided they end up w/ Blackmon or Floyd. If not, what's the point?

EDIT: In fact, the tradedown is far preferable to being stuck w/ a DB or RT at 4.

The point is that this is an unusually deep draft . For every player that is supposedly the shizzznit there are 3 who are reasonable facsimiles that in the right system and on a good team may well be better.

Having said that, still hoping for a trade down to TB or Mihammi and getting another 2nd.

I'd be fully onboard w/ this, if TR is gone, provided they end up w/ Blackmon or Floyd. If not, what's the point?

EDIT: In fact, the tradedown is far preferable to being stuck w/ a DB or RT at 4.

The point is that this is an unusually deep draft . For every player that is supposedly the shizzznit there are 3 who are reasonable facsimiles that in the right system and on a good team may well be better.

After the 2 QB's, the differentiation gets tricky.

One, not at RB, just to be clear. There's TR and then there are... the others. At WR, yes, it is much less clear. That said, I think Blackmon and Floyd (in whatever order you choose) are a notch above the other WR's. So, trading down to get the 3rd best WR is not something I'm interested in.

Having said that, still hoping for a trade down to TB or Mihammi and getting another 2nd.

I'd be fully onboard w/ this, if TR is gone, provided they end up w/ Blackmon or Floyd. If not, what's the point?

EDIT: In fact, the tradedown is far preferable to being stuck w/ a DB or RT at 4.

The point is that this is an unusually deep draft . For every player that is supposedly the shizzznit there are 3 who are reasonable facsimiles that in the right system and on a good team may well be better.

After the 2 QB's, the differentiation gets tricky.

Which s my point in a nutshell. TR is faster than Hillis, but he isn't a "See light and gone" guy at all. And moving up to get him is asinine when there are explosive backs who can score from anywhere throughout the first three rounds.

Not to mention, again, that with 1700 yards, 60 catches, good blocking, a goal line threat and 13 TDS in 2010 the Browns were 5-11.