If this is the way opposite opinions are recieved: religious filibusters, insults, and attempts to shut down the debate, then this is some shame of a forum. Or at least, some shame of the people who debate here.

What is wrong with microbes? They are not alive by your standards? Or just an exception to your rule: mutations DO NOT happen, unless they happen in a microbe, in which case is is ok? God only created E. coli to mutate and evolve, but left other living beings out?

In Lenski's experiment you have a nice, controlled experimental setting with a strand of bacteria that have been proven to have mutated and have proven to have acquired new, beneficial traits by mutating. It is a nice example of evolution in action, is it not?

It works the same way in use "higher" organisms as well, just takes much longer time to be seen due to our longer generation times.

The evolving but-microbe was a sarcastic joke and has no scientific meaning at all.

I have already apologized for this.

If you honestly want a response . . .1)God created all things as they are. Although, (and I have already said this) the biblical flood, by raising up to Mt. Everest, almost collapsed the atmosphere and changed the makeup of the atmosphere. This was replicated in the Eden Project, where biomes were constructed on barren hillsides and had O2 levels adjusted to pre-flood. When pythons were put in, their skin turned very dark, vibrant beige and brown as opposed to the dull beige and brown. There were also venom changes. You can look up the Eden Project on you own.

2)But-microbes? I dont even know if there are microbes in the anal region. However, I do know that there are microbes in the large intestine just before the anal.

3)I said that "but-microbes" evolve as a joke, not as scientific fact.

4)Are you honestly going to blow up a joke into a scientific discussion? If so, lead on.

Tomn wrote:The evolving but-microbe was a sarcastic joke and has no scientific meaning at all.

I have already apologized for this.

If you honestly want a response . . .1)God created all things as they are. Although, (and I have already said this) the biblical flood, by raising up to Mt. Everest, almost collapsed the atmosphere and changed the makeup of the atmosphere. This was replicated in the Eden Project, where biomes were constructed on barren hillsides and had O2 levels adjusted to pre-flood. When pythons were put in, their skin turned very dark, vibrant beige and brown as opposed to the dull beige and brown. There were also venom changes. You can look up the Eden Project on you own.

2)But-microbes? I dont even know if there are microbes in the anal region. However, I do know that there are microbes in the large intestine just before the anal.

3)I said that "but-microbes" evolve as a joke, not as scientific fact.

4)Are you honestly going to blow up a joke into a scientific discussion? If so, lead on.

Sorry, I thought that the rear end of a human being is spelled "butt", not "but", hence I thought you were looking for anything "but" a microbe that evolves.

Still, I am waiting for your response to Lenski's experiment with E. coli, where one bacterial cell has given rise to millions of other bacterial cells, of which many have undergone mutations (=mutations happen) and some have benefited from the mutation, e.g. by gaining new metabolic pathways to utilize nutrients previously unsuitable for the bacteria or a gene that gave the bacteria resistance to penicillin, among other things (=beneficial mutations happen).

TommYou are demonstrating a belief system, albeit a firmly held one.You may be able to provide some supporting evidence that, for example shows Mt Everest was once under water and that is fine, but that does not prove your god exists and created everything. You can infer that, from all the evidence you have and display confidence in it but that does not scientifically prove your belief.

Remember that many people also have total confidence in the bible, but don’t share your particular belief system. That is why the whole of Christendom is divided against itself in it’s belief patterns.

The evolutionary community is in no better position. They are also divided between themselves. I have repeatedly asked members who have debated with me, to inform which branch of evolutionary theory (and there are a number) they support and I have never received an answer.

Biohazard is right, mutations happen and change over time does occur. This form of evolution is a fact that cannot be disputed with any evidence. What the evidence does not show however is that this change over time results in new species forming.Lenski in his own discussion on the experiment makes tacit acknowledgement of that.

Unfortunately we have at least one moderator on this forum who behaves like a spoiled adolescent and, as so often happens when such a one is given some power, they invariably misuse it to cut down debate in order to prevent further embarrassment.

I think it's regrettable that some of the mods seem to be engaged in attempts to alienate, antagonize, and prod members who they disagree with, into more radical forms of disagreement, seemingly in order to arrive at distinct actionable conflicts. One does not even identify himself as moderator or staff

It's a poor show. Staff should be clearly identified, be welcoming, and should not be intent on creating actionable situations.

scottie wrote:Unfortunately we have at least one moderator on this forum who behaves like a spoiled adolescent and, as so often happens when such a one is given some power, they invariably misuse it to cut down debate in order to prevent further embarrassment.

I asked you at least tree times to respond. You didn't, so why should we bother with further "discussion"? If you have problem with that, I have boss too and you can contact her.

scottie wrote:Unfortunately we have at least one moderator on this forum who behaves like a spoiled adolescent and, as so often happens when such a one is given some power, they invariably misuse it to cut down debate in order to prevent further embarrassment.

I asked you at least tree times to respond. You didn't, so why should we bother with further "discussion"? If you have problem with that, I have boss too and you can contact her.