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Re: Redskins

Originally Posted by jdoggivjc

But like I said, in that report I saw most Native Americans don't care. Who does care are a bunch of white people that feel like they have to atone for the sins of their great great great grandparents by making issues of things that essentially aren't.

Let's expand upon this further. Do they use a creepy mascot that makes mockery of Native American traditions? No. Do the fans do a bunch of stupid crap in the stands that makes mockery of Native American culture? Not that I'm aware of. Is it just the team name and identity and nothing further? Yes.

Re: Redskins

Personally, I think the only reason this should or will be changed is if the NFL forces it to happen. The Redskins/NFL are a private enterprise, entitled to make their own decisions on how the league is presented. If any negative image threatens to harm the image of the Redskins/NFL, and they're okay with that, then there's nothing that needs to be done, IMO.

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Re: Redskins

I'm not for opportunistic politicians looking to score points by jumping on this issue; they have more important things to attend to. But I don't like how Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen try to spin it either. That poll they keep citing is a decade old. And they ignore the strong formal opposition to the nickname that has come from the NCAI, which represents somewhere in the neighborhood of a couple hundred different tribes in the US. I get that Snyder can call the team whatever he wants; there's no law against being a stubborn a-hole.
Redskin is a derogatory term for Native Americans; no way around that. If Snyder and Co. choose to ignore that, fine. But at least be honest about why. Don't make ******** claims that Redskin is a badge of honor, or that it's tradition, or that most Native Americans don't care or don't find the term offensive. Just say you don't want to change it because you're a stubborn, insensitive *****.

Re: Redskins

Originally Posted by JHUNSY

Signed Donald Sterling.

He wasn't forced out by anything remotely resembling the U.S. government. The NBA kicked his *** to the curb because Silver felt those comments hurt the Clippers and the NBA. The NBA, like the NFL, is a private enterprise and has the freedom to kick someone out for what they say, if what they said can harm the business. Just like most of us could be fired if we say something wildly inappropriate. But it's not illegal, so the only way this name gets changed is if the NFL/Redskins feel like it's going to start hurting the bottom line.

“Hawks tell us we have no future, and we let you know what we think of Hawk fans, which is a lower opinion all the time.” – CycloneErik 7/25/2011

“With the exception of tm3308. He is a good contributor on this site. It is almost to the point that I question if he is actually a hawk fan. ” -- Cyclonestate78 7/25/2011

“He broke the mold. If he wrote the OP, I would have read the whole thing.” – CycloneErik 7/25/2011

Re: Redskins

Originally Posted by tm3308

He wasn't forced out by anything remotely resembling the U.S. government. The NBA kicked his *** to the curb because Silver felt those comments hurt the Clippers and the NBA. The NBA, like the NFL, is a private enterprise and has the freedom to kick someone out for what they say, if what they said can harm the business. Just like most of us could be fired if we say something wildly inappropriate. But it's not illegal, so the only way this name gets changed is if the NFL/Redskins feel like it's going to start hurting the bottom line.

I was simply implying by using the word protected that he isn't fully so. Yes, his rights protect his speech. However, He is not immune from the league constitution and still has to conduct himself within those boundaries. I just wouldn't consider them protected by the first amendment in that situation anymore because they can still end up losing their franchise regardless of legal rights.

Do you think Sterling has a case to sue his way back into the NBA? If he does, which I think he very well may, then you would be able to phrase that they are protected by the first amendment.

Re: Redskins

Originally Posted by JHUNSY

I was simply implying by using the word protected that he isn't fully so. Yes, his rights protect his speech. However, He is not immune from the league constitution and still has to conduct himself within those boundaries. I just wouldn't consider them protected by the first amendment in that situation anymore because they can still end up losing their franchise regardless of legal rights.

Do you think Sterling has a case to sue his way back into the NBA? If he does, which I think he very well may, then you would be able to phrase that they are protected by the first amendment.

I've never said differently. But people think that just because it's offensive that it has to go. That's not true. It only has to go if the NFL/Redskins say so. People can protest/complain all they want, but it's going nowhere unless the league feels like it's in the best interest of the NFL.

Considering how long this has dragged on, I doubt we're going to see it changed anytime soon.

“Hawks tell us we have no future, and we let you know what we think of Hawk fans, which is a lower opinion all the time.” – CycloneErik 7/25/2011

“With the exception of tm3308. He is a good contributor on this site. It is almost to the point that I question if he is actually a hawk fan. ” -- Cyclonestate78 7/25/2011

“He broke the mold. If he wrote the OP, I would have read the whole thing.” – CycloneErik 7/25/2011

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