Saturday, March 26, 2016

A PedoFiler defends last year's lies about the Sad Puppies at the Mad Genius Club while telling new ones about the Rabid Puppies:

As far as people wanting off the list goes, it’s strictly a problem of branding. In branding, perception matters. Perception is everything, and the “Puppy” brand has come to be associated with “cheaters who flooded the ballot with very poor stories” at best and “white supremacists who want to kill gays with tire irons” at worst. You can debate whether you think this is fair, but that’s why very few people want to be associated with “those bad people who want to destroy the Hugo Awards out of pure meanness.”

I agree that Kate did a lot this year to improve things. I read and reviewed all of the puppy-nominated works, and the Sad-Puppy ones are mostly pretty good this year.

But she didn’t do anything to fix the branding problem. The Sad Puppies kept up the same, tired campaign of name calling–the same name-calling that the Rabid Puppies use. They kept repeating the same conspiracy theories. And–unfathomably–they refused to repudiate Vox Day. Given the history, it would take a stupendous effort to disassociate themselves from him–an occasional mild “we’re not Vox Day” is nowhere near what it would take–but making a statement to the effect of “we will not endorse or condemn anyone” was broadly heard as “we really are Vox Day.”

You can argue all day that that’s not fair, but that’s the perception, and in branding, perception is everything.

You might think his omission of the rather important fact that the so-called "branding problem" was entirely based on blatant lies about the Puppies, and me, by people at Tor Books running to the media, was an innocent oversight. But Greg Hullender's response to Joel Salomen makes it clear that the dishonesty, as well as the sexual deviance, runs deep in the little freakshow.

Joel Salomon
You’re completely right. Of course, this implies that all those upset at being included in SP4 should direct their ire at the liars who created this false perception of the Sad Puppies brand.

greghullender
It’s a fairly accurate description of the Rabid Puppies, though, and you guys should take some responsibility for allowing the confusion.

As the Overgrown Hobbit pointed out, it is not "a fairly accurate description". It is "a damned lie".

It is considerably more fair and accurate to say "homosexual pedophile and predatory chickenhawk" is a "fairly accurate description" of Greg Hullender than it is to say "white supremacists who want to kill gays with tire irons" is a "fairly accurate description of the Rabid Puppies". I have absolutely no problem asserting that I have never been a white supremacist and I have never wanted to kill gays with tire irons, or anything else, for that matter. Now let us see Mr. Hullender publicly attest that he has never been attracted to anyone under the age of 18. And let us see the rest of the Puppy-kicking Pedo-Filers do the same.

If they don't, they will stand condemned by their own silence, just as they stand condemned for the decades of silence in which they have been harboring multiple predators in their community.

Notice how the SF-SJWs shriek that it is unfair to label them as sexual deviants and defenders of pedophilia and child molestation even as they continue to defend the celebration of individuals such as Marion Zimmer Bradley, Samuel Delaney, and Arthur C. Clarke, and try to justify their lies about the Sad and Rabid Puppies. The fact is that none of the SJWs who spent last year lying about the Puppies, and calling us racists and Nazis, has any right to complain about being correctly found guilty of their well-known associations with multiple alleged and confirmed child molesters.

Meanwhile, Sarah Hoyt explains the reason for the SF-SJW need to constantly decry, denounce, and disqualify:

I’ve said before that years ago, being mentioned at Instapundit would have meant the end of my career.

It wasn’t a stupid fear. It was real. Even though writers can’t control who reads them and likes them, if you’re liked by the “far right” you must be using “dog whistles” — and thus the blacklisting starts.

So those people asking to be removed from the Hugo recommendations which were made by fan vote? Perfectly logical. Getting tainted by association is a thing in their circles.

The people proclaiming that we: Larry, Brad, myself, John C. Wright, I don’t know if they were stupid enough to include Kevin J. Anderson and Butcher in that, but definitely everyone else in the list, had “ruined their careers” are right. For their world and their definition of career. None of the big four will ever publish us again, except Baen.

They are stuck in the old push-model days in their head. They think that everyone down the chain will now boycott us. And they want to make d*mn sure it doesn’t splash on them.

They don't have the power to intimidate the right into silence anymore, so they are frantically casting about to find other ways to shut us down. But what they simply don't realize is that they're not dealing with the frightened, cowering conservatives of the past. They're dealing with the criticism-hardened, ruthless Alt-Right of the present and we don't run from conflict with them. We run towards it.

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"Lying in a rising pool of blood, he stared blearily up at the last thing he would ever see: a tire iron, trembling dramatically above almost impossibly perfect hair. 'It's so beautiful' was his final thought."

Frankly I don't know why anyone put up with that nonsense at all. People have power only if you give it to them.

The world hates you and will crush you if it has a chance. I've known this since childhood. I think this is why conservatives have been so feckless, they try to get along and assume goodness of intention in everyone on the other side.

This stuff is about weak nothings blathering on to feel important. If they can ruin someone's life it gives significance to their insignificant life. Which paradoxically leaves them very vulnerable.

All people make most of their decisions impulsively. Left-collectivists (especially SJWs) harbor a Fantasy Land in their heads where they are popular & deeply respected, and when Reality fails to conform to their Fantasy they seek scapegoats on whom they heap their own failings, insecurities and fear.

Mass media and the Internet gave such weak people a megaphone, and it enabled others similarly pathetic to cluster, giving them the impression they are leaders in a large movement.

The rest of us were so besotted with our success and comfort that we indulged these pathetic clowns, or ignored their antics.

The rise of the Tea Party and now Trumpism are signals that we're no longer amused and these people need to be bitch-slapped back into the holes from which they crawled.

"asking to be removed from the Hugo recommendations...Perfectly logical."

Logical to want their names off the lists, yes. Actually asking, maybe worth it, maybe a waste of time. Demanding is presumptuous. Acting as if their name appearing on someone else's list is tantamount to libel is crazy. As is expecting their supposed enemies to listen to them. If the other side is really so evil what would they care about blacklists? Boo hoo.

By the way, if all it takes for them to blacklist true blue SJWs and fellow travelers is for them to be recommended by the other side the SJWs are weaker than I thought.

I am not a white supremacist, and have never wanted to kill gays with a tire iron, stone, building or any other method. Now, have the PedoFilers ever been attracted to humans under the age of 18 or not?

If you don't care about what's fair why do you correct them about whether you're a white supremacist or a gay basher? Or is it just tit for tat on the lies?

Your first question makes no sense. I correct them because they are attempting to discredit and disqualify me. No, it is not tit for tat on the lies; there is zero information content in rhetoric. It is tit for tat on the rhetoric; my rhetoric is more effective because it is more in harmony with the objective truth.

That is why they object so strenuously; if it was not objective they would not care.

I can assure you that gays are not the top of the list for white supremacists to kill. Also blacks commit the majorty of bashings along with the majority of murders while only 13% of US population.

First they came for the blacks/jews, then they came for the jews/blacks, then they realized most of their problems disappeared so they stopped coming for people. Although I did leave die verse city to be safe.

If you don't care about what's fair why do you correct them about whether you're a white supremacist or a gay basher?

Its like pointing out to leftists that if the black moslem serial killer of gays in 3 states, Ali Mohammad Brown was a white Christian they would know his name.

Libertarian writer James Tucker was on the Emory campus this week when the “Trump 2016” scribbles appeared. “It was like cross-burning,” he told Reason’s Robby Soave. “It was absolutely intended to intimidate everyone and it worked.”

I would suggest reading the whole article for numerous examples of why "conservatives" have been losing to the left so badly and for so long as well as examples of the tactics the left uses with so much success.

This is why it is now war, and why most can't see it.Most people on the right or libertarian just want to go about their business and generally don't care about what others do.The left has become obnoxious and invasive and hostile, and although it started with just some shrieking, it has become full blown efforts to destroy people.Meanwhile, the legacy establishment moderates are shocked and are calling for calm on our side (including the Cuckservative GOPe). But they aren't mentioning we are sorely provoked and are responding, and not condemning the left.Gulliver has awakened, and the left Lilliputians and their enablers are going to be stomped.They don't understand that comity, politeness, and fair play has been both one sided and futile for decades. Trump's vulgarity is not a bug, it is a feature.We want them to be triggered. We want them to retreat to their safe spaces. We want them to emit their irrational screams. We want to polarize to determine who are allies and enemies. We can forgive earlier Chamberlaining. We accept it when Weimar republicans see the light (Christie). But you must be on our side - which requires mere but true tolerance. Milo, Falwell, Diamond and Silk, Vox, Molyneux, etc. are very diverse in the true sense. But we all hate the intolerance to the point of destruction policy of the SJWs, and White knights even worse. There is no compromise possible with un-reason. You really are with or against us.

Josh wrote:I also have never been a white supremacist and have never wanted to kill gays with a tire iron.I'm not a White Supremacist, but I am White and I am genetically superior.I have on occasion wanted to beat specific gays with a tire iron, but not generally and not to death. Except that one time.

I could give two shits about SF or Gamers. However, being long time Ilk, I see what's going on and understand as VD said in recent interview the Tactics and Lessons to be learned. Children of the Devil are the same in every genre.These Satanic souls are being confronted for the first time since '33.Since they are the weaker Nature side, they're desperate and think that the propaganda of the last 70 years will suffice. Negative, Ghostrider. You know the rest.The fear is the obvious: You want to call it GAME, (which it is) then they lose. You want to call it Lies vs Truth - which it is...they lose.Light vs Darkness and the Hidden? Yeah.You want to call it Nature and Nature's God over 10000 years (which it is) - they lose.Material and Cultural Marxism is the Answer. The White West will have to decide once and for all, and very quickly, what is the question.The battle is still White vs White. You done, White Boy?

"Making a statement to the effect of 'we will not endorse or condemn anyone' was broadly heard as 'we really are Vox Day.'" sounds a lot like "'I don't know David Duke' was broadly heard as 'I support the KKK'. I'm glad I got into science fiction in the 70's, when what the Hugo's were all about was great science fiction, like Dune and Ringworld. The last Hugo winner I can say I thought was truly great was Hyperion, though lately, I read a lot less science fiction than I used to. The last great science fiction novel I read, "Red Rising", didn't even get a nomination.

Plus deviant sexuality and perversion are status markers in the SJW (I was going to say community, but that's the wrong word) Hive. The fewer claimants there are to your particular freakshow, the more status, hence "genderfluid", "Ace", "otherkin" and "Something so sick and digusting that even other leftist freaks are appalled" all qualify for high status.

The people proclaiming that we: Larry, Brad, myself, John C. Wright, I don’t know if they were stupid enough to include Kevin J. Anderson and Butcher in that, but definitely everyone else in the list, had “ruined their careers” are right.

Sadly, Larry is soooo ruined he just bought his own freaking mountain.