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So get rid of a 3-4 million streaky 1 dimension player, and replace him with a streaky 1 dimensional player who is also a lazy floater for 6+ mil per season? That sounds logical. That's even if Semin plays in the NHL next year.

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So get rid of a 3-4 million streaky 1 dimension player, and replace him with a streaky 1 dimensional player who is also a lazy floater for 6+ mil per season? That sounds logical. That's even if Semin plays in the NHL next year.

1st off I don't think Semin could get $6 million at this point in time - especially from Holland, or quite possibly any GM in the league.

2nd - Semin's upside in terms of scoring is 10 times that of what Hudler could ever do...I'm not too keen on Semin - however if there's any guy out there that could get the most outta Semin - it just might be Datsyuk.

As I said - I'm wary of the guy, but he'd instantly become our most lethal scoring winger; Hudler, and even Franzen aren't anywhere close to what Semin has in terms of skill.

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1st off I don't think Semin could get $6 million at this point in time - especially from Holland, or quite possibly any GM in the league.

2nd - Semin's upside in terms of scoring is 10 times that of what Hudler could ever do...I'm not too keen on Semin - however if there's any guy out there that could get the most outta Semin - it just might be Datsyuk.

As I said - I'm wary of the guy, but he'd instantly become our most lethal scoring winger; Hudler, and even Franzen aren't anywhere close to what Semin has in terms of skill.

Why would you think Semin would take a paycut, based on your 2nd point? If noone will give him what he wants, I'm sure he'd be happy to go back to Russia and play in the KHL.

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I have never understoof the Hudler hate. 25 goals, 25 A's.....I think this is a mistake, but let the haters hate I guess

His lack of work ethic is what I don't like. If he played like he gave a damn, and this goes for a few other people on this team, I would want him back.

1st off I don't think Semin could get $6 million at this point in time - especially from Holland, or quite possibly any GM in the league.

2nd - Semin's upside in terms of scoring is 10 times that of what Hudler could ever do...I'm not too keen on Semin - however if there's any guy out there that could get the most outta Semin - it just might be Datsyuk.

As I said - I'm wary of the guy, but he'd instantly become our most lethal scoring winger; Hudler, and even Franzen aren't anywhere close to what Semin has in terms of skill.

If the Wings get Semin, which I hope not, then you can only sign him for as long as the Wings think Datsyuk can anchor him. With D being 34 at the start of the season the longest I would sign him for is for 2 years.

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Why would you think Semin would take a paycut, based on your 2nd point? If noone will give him what he wants, I'm sure he'd be happy to go back to Russia and play in the KHL.

Also, Franzen is close to Semin in one facet; laziness.

There's always that chance he goes back home for big $$$...If any NHL GM is willing/able to give him what he'd want - it could be the Leafs, or Habs, but we all know neither team has a centerman of Datsyuk's caibre.

I could be way off here, but I'm thinking Semin may realise he needs to sign with a NHL club that has top notch centermen not only to feed him the puck, but to help cover for his defensive lapses...Zetterberg also fits the bill.

A 2, or 3 year deal might be reasonable, and very beneficial if the guy plays to his ability.

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Grass is greener, I guess. Substitute known 50 points for unknown more expensive option that might play well with Dats. I bet Huds could put up some numbers playing full time with Dats, but oh well. Don't let the door hit you, 50 pts.

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I have never understoof the Hudler hate. 25 goals, 25 A's.....I think this is a mistake, but let the haters hate I guess

Because at least for me he's a one dimentional player thats bearly even one dimentional. If his only talent and selling point is that he's a stick handeling scorer at least put up more goals than 25g playing with Z a lot of the time. If your a small player you with out a doubt have to play much bigger than you are which Hudler doesn't. He doesn't have speed, defense, size, grit, bearly a scoring touch, doesn't crash to the net. I don't honestly know what Holland see's in him even offering him a contract period just let him go you tried to develope him he didn't work out just let him go.

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If the Wings get Semin, which I hope not, then you can only sign him for as long as the Wings think Datsyuk can anchor him. With D being 34 at the start of the season the longest I would sign him for is for 2 years.

I was thinking the same thing...Dats has 2 years left on his contract.

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As for Hudler, I'm not going to be that upset if he takes a larger offer elsewhere. However, it does concern me that the Red Wings are losing 25 goals and were already in need of adding to the top-six with Hudler around. There's nobody internally on the roster that is going to score 25 next season. As one-dimensional as Hudler is as a player, the Red Wings are lacking that dimension. Holland really has his work cut out for him.

Agreed.

I'm not a huge Hudler fan but he was 5th on the team in points, 6 points behind Mule. As you point out, it's 25 goals and 50 points the Wings are losing and yet another thing for Holland to go out and try to replace this off season.

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I don't see all the hate, he scored 25 goals, and played a much better game this last season. I along with some others don't see how the team gets much better if Hudler leaves and they replace him with someone who had around the same number of points for more money.

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Wouldn't mind a fallback plan of Semin for a couple/three years. Look what Franzen & Hudler could do with Pavs/Dats as their centermen. Semin is more skilled than either and has decent size like Mule. As long as we don't have to lock him up for many years he could be golden. Dat's would put the hammer down on him to perform the Redwing way if he was here.

Hudler can walk. Like others have said, to small, and easy to play against. He bounces off players like a flea. At least with Mule & Semin their sheer size makes them harder to play against, even if they don't always use it to their potential. Oh, and on your way out be sure to that Hank/Pavs for getting you paid Happy.

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There is a difference between not going to the dirty areas of the ice and being completely useless when you get there. Hudler always struck me as being in the second group. His offensive game was suited for a second line player but he couldn't do enough in the other areas of the game to warrant a perminent position there.

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This thread is funny. Replacing a 50 point person like Hudler isn't going to really happen. Problem with Hudler is he only can score. That's it, no surprise really. I rather have someone who doesn't put up the points he does that works harder, goes to the corners, FORECHECKS, plays defense, doesn't ***** (like a baby when he ditched out on us for the KHL). Sorry people Hudler decent player but his time on our team was up awhile ago. I'm ready for change even if it doesn't have a positive effect on our team for this season. Times are uh changing folks.

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This is great news, I hope someone signs Hudler for $4+ million and he has a long successful career. This Wings can't afford to pay this much for a one-dimensional player, I won't be sad to see him go.

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True, but I think his lack of speed, and as the person after stated, going to the dirty areas, but then being generally useless when there and getting immediately knocked off the puck al the time can all be attributed to his small size. If he had a few inches and 40 pounds more he would be a lot faster, would not get knocked off the puck ALL the time, and would be much more helpful in all other areas other than scoring.

I think most of the negatives about his actual game can be directly attributed to his tiny size.

Edited June 29, 2012 by sleepwalker

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Not really a big suprise. It would be great to have his Cap Space available to be able to throw as much as possible at Parise and or Suter that way money won't be an issue. Huds was good a while back but he has severly dropped off as far as offensive production and I won't really miss him.

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True, but I think his lack of speed, and as the person after stated, going to the dirty areas, but then being generally useless when there and getting immediately knocked off the puck al the time can all be attributed to his small size. If he had a few inches and 40 pounds more he would be a lot faster, would not get knocked off the puck ALL the time, and would be much more helpful in all other areas other than scoring.

I think most of the negatives about his actual game can be directly attributed to his tiny size.

I think we agree mostly on his downsides and size is definitely a factor, but I don't think that's handicapping everything.

Martin St. Louis is listed at 5'8" and 176 lbs, which is probably close to Hudler's actual size (he's listed as 5'9 178 lbs). But Marty has speed.

To me it's the size and lack of speed that's the killer with him. Because he usually does work hard in the corner, but he's so little and can't get away fast enough that even if he does pull a nice move to get the puck out of the corner, the defender can often negate it with one stride and/or a good stick.

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