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Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2012-2013

Oh Lord. "Smashmouth" basketball was just brought back to the surface by Clark Kellogg.

Maybe this will go over better in this thread... I think Kellogg is awful and I'm so glad he doesn't do many Pacers games any more.

Did you hear the part of the telecast where he was telling Kevin Harlan that Indiana was probably Ohio State's biggest rival back in his era?

Uh, Clark, you and Herbie (and Granville) went a whopping 9-9 against the Big Ten. Yeah, I'd take Eisenbarger and Risley as my starting forwards over you and Herb.

You weren't anybody's rivals. You were 0.500 team pretending to be with the big boys.

PS, don't ever ask Clark about his experience in the NCAA tourney or NBA playoffs unless you expect his whopping 1 career game to impress you.

Ugh. Maybe I wouldn't think he we so awful if I didn't have a good memory of how mediocre he was as a player, except of course he was a decent stat-sheet-stuffer on some TURRible teams.

Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
And life itself, rushing over me
Life itself, the wind in black elms,
Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2012-2013

Maybe this will go over better in this thread... I think Kellogg is awful and I'm so glad he doesn't do many Pacers games any more.

BLASPHEMY!

Even if Clark is a Buckeye.

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Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2012-2013

I know we are a good three point shooting team, but at the beginning of the game we were jacking up way too many threes early in the shot clock. There was a particularly horrible one by Hulls where he bombed it from a far range early in the shot clock and clanked it. Awful shot. To Crean's credit, he put a stop to it and we began working the ball through Zeller. Zeller or Oladipo should touch the ball every possession.

Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2012-2013

Maybe this will go over better in this thread... I think Kellogg is awful and I'm so glad he doesn't do many Pacers games any more.

Did you hear the part of the telecast where he was telling Kevin Harlan that Indiana was probably Ohio State's biggest rival back in his era?

Uh, Clark, you and Herbie (and Granville) went a whopping 9-9 against the Big Ten. Yeah, I'd take Eisenbarger and Risley as my starting forwards over you and Herb.

You weren't anybody's rivals. You were 0.500 team pretending to be with the big boys.

PS, don't ever ask Clark about his experience in the NCAA tourney or NBA playoffs unless you expect his whopping 1 career game to impress you.

Ugh. Maybe I wouldn't think he we so awful if I didn't have a good memory of how mediocre he was as a player, except of course he was a decent stat-sheet-stuffer on some TURRible teams.

Kellogg played at OSU from 1979-82. They went 33-21 in the Big 10 during those three seasons. That's a 61% winning percentage. He went 2-4 against IU in those three years. Several of the games were very close. Two of the losses against IU occurred in the 81 season when IU ended up winning the championship. Kellogg's Big 10 resume' is far from embarrassing. Also, he made the Sweet 16 his freshman year.

Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2012-2013

Ah you're right, I had them flip flopped in my head. Either way, other than Kansas's debacle of a week, Florida had the worst week of anyone in the top 10 by losing that game in that fashion (I'm not including Zona losing at home to Cal last night because if anyone still thought they were actually a top 10 team that is their own fault)

Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2012-2013

Kellogg played at OSU from 1979-82. They went 33-21 in the Big 10 during those three seasons. That's a 61% winning percentage. He went 2-4 against IU in those three years. Several of the games were very close. Two of the losses against IU occurred in the 81 season when IU ended up winning the championship. Kellogg's Big 10 resume' is far from embarrassing. Also, he made the Sweet 16 his freshman year.

That's a clever way of saying that the man played in two total NCAA tourney/ NBA playoff games in his career. Both as a freshman in college. And Clark was playing third-fiddle to a pair of future first-round draft picks on that team. (Note the interesting thing of that Big Ten season - the third and fourth place teams, Iowa and Purdue, both made the Final Four at Market Square whereas IU and Ohio State lost earlier in the tournament.)

The next season, his sophomore season and after Kelvin Ransey had turned pro (#4 overall pick), Ohio State's starting front court was? Yes - the preview for the horrific Pacers teams in the mid-80s when Herb Williams and Clark Kellogg teamed up to go 9-9 against the Big Ten. It certainly puts all those 20-win seasons in perspective. Clark gets hurt, Rifleman steps in as a rookie and presto - 0.500 and the playoffs.

I'll give you that they went 12-6 in '82 and finished in a three-way tie for second after Herb left. I'd also suggest that was one of the weakest seasons in Big Ten history.

And I was wrong: Ohio State lost one tournament game that season, too. So Clark has played in a total of three NCAA tournament/ NBA playoff games in his career.

He's very articulate as an announcer. Lots of cute phrases. Can explain things well to a casual fan. I haven't been a fan of his. Not at Ohio State, it was hard to cheer for him with the Pacers, and I don't want to hear him as an announcer. But he was a stat sheet stuffer extraordinaire.

Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
And life itself, rushing over me
Life itself, the wind in black elms,
Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2012-2013

That's okay. Especially for home games, I use my audio league pass on my iPhone and listen to Mark and Slick. Usually during my train ride home from the office.

Problem solved.

Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
And life itself, rushing over me
Life itself, the wind in black elms,
Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2012-2013

Good god, was there ever Victor Oladipo. He's known as one of the country's best defenders, but it's almost a crime when the accolades stop there. Because yes, he's a defensive genius, so much so that he should win Big Ten defensive player of the year over Craft, who, let's face it, does get away with a lot of body contact because he's Aaron Craft. But defense alone doesn't begin to tell the Oladipo story. Did you know he has the 24th-highest offensive rating in the country? Or the sixth-highest effective field goal percentage? Or that he's an excellent offensive rebounder, can get to the line almost at will, and has turned his former weakness, 3-point shooting, into a 52.6 percent strength?But even the stats don't go far enough. He's become so fluid, so skilled, so smooth, that in conjunction with his athleticism, it almost makes sense that Dick Vitale compared him to Michael Jordan. I know, I KNOW, but when he puts the juke on a defender, gets to the lane, and starts to rise for one of his soul-reviving jams, it really ****ing looks like Michael Jordan. Maybe it's because he's so skinny, with the same long flailing limbs and the twitchy quickness. It gives you a reluctant déjà vu, and yes, you want to shy from the comparison because it feels inherently absurd. But it's there, man. It's there.

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Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2012-2013

Of course OSU considered IU a big rival. In those days, the record attendance game for every arena in the entire Big Ten was for a game against IU.

If you were hosting IU there was huge buildup on your campus and you probably considered it a rivalry even if you lost all the time. Wisconsin probably considered IU a main rival since they forced triple overtime in 1987 (and lost), and they lost consistently before and after that, until recently. When the opponent is top dog, you see the opponent as a rival, even if your opponent sees you as a pissant

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Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2012-2013

Of course OSU considered IU a big rival. In those days, the record attendance game for every arena in the entire Big Ten was for a game against IU.

If you were hosting IU there was huge buildup on your campus and you probably considered it a rivalry even if you lost all the time. Wisconsin probably considered IU a main rival since they forced triple overtime in 1987 (and lost), and they lost consistently before and after that, until recently. When the opponent is top dog, you see the opponent as a rival, even if your opponent sees you as a pissant

Actual conversation between me and some Chicago kids my freshman year of college (winter of 1989). Nick Anderson hits a forty-footer at the buzzer to win in Bloomington.

Those clowns are dancing around the dorm lounge in Upland celebrating the win over thier "biggest rival". (Which is funny, because I would have ranked Purdue, Kentucky, Michigan, Ohio State, and perhaps Notre Dame as signficantly bigger rivals than Illinois.)

Finally I said to them, "In 13 years, Lou is 3-23 against IU. You aren't a rival, you are team we expect to beat twice each season. Get back to me when it is at least closer to 0.500 like Purdue, Kentucky and Michigan are."

Now the situation has been different over the past decade. I suspect Wisconsin might be thinking the same of us now that we used to think of Illinois.

But the point is still valid.

Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
And life itself, rushing over me
Life itself, the wind in black elms,
Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you