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Re: Top Larry Legend Trades as Pacers President

Hindsight being what it is, I think you have to go with the JO/Hibbert swap. That gave us the foundation to build a defense around. Without Hibbert, we just don't have the defense we do now.

I think that if you're going to look at immediate impact comparing the value coming and going, your next two would be the DC/Murphy swap and the Hill/Kawhi swap, in that order. Hill has obviously proved to be the better player, but Kawhi is quite the player himself and Bird considered drafting him for the Pacers.

Re: Top Larry Legend Trades as Pacers President

Where is the Murphleavy trade? /green

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I agree most impact was easily JO for Hibbert so that's where my vote went. It might have taken a while to get there but once it did, wow. The how the hell did he pull it off though has got to be Plums and GG for Scola. Plumlee wasn't going to get minutes on this team, and it was time to cut bait on GG big time. How he turned that into a vet big who will contribute in Scola is beyond me. It was hard not to vote for that one and I can definitely see the logic of the folks who voted there.

Re: Top Larry Legend Trades as Pacers President

Murphy for DC was the biggest talent upgrade, but JO for Hibbert was the most impactful.

underestimated is how much that actually saved the Pacers Brass. If Simon was voting, he may go Nesto/ and removing Murphs last year of contract. I don't know the exact numbers. but exporting JO and Murphys deals likely saved this Franchise 25M.

that's likely pocket change to V81. that aside.

If Mayo would have been shipped to us for McBob, that also may have paid bigtime dividends. The Scola deal right now .... with the fact we unloaded GG may trump all other deals. tho the Hibbs deal is by far #1.

Were not gonna hear much from v81 this season. A team that wins 60 without a healthy DG33. Granger will stuff it down v81s throat.

Re: Top Larry Legend Trades as Pacers President

JO trade was great
Trading Bayless for JJ and McBob. Just sucks we couldn't extend JJ, he's the best backup pg.
Murphy for Collison was a steal, but then BirdWalsh f'd it up by sending Collison out to sign a FA.
Also really like getting Scola.

Re: Top Larry Legend Trades as Pacers President

I'd think for certain, 29/30 NBA teams would take Leonard over Hill right now.

In a vacuum, I think you would have 30/30 taking Leonard over Hill. But if we keep the pick everything changes. Who's our point guard right now? Is it still DC? Are we still looking for one? Do we trade for Brandon Jennings? Can he cut it on a good team? We most certainly don't sign Gerald Green last summer. Does Leonard develop for us the same way he does for the Spurs? Have we already traded Granger because of the promise in the Leonard/George combo? Does Stephenson ever get a chance to play or is he relegated to bench duty? Is he our point guard?

The short of it is that both teams profited from the draft. We got George Hill and the Spurs got Leonard. We both lost a 7 game series against the Miami Heat. I'd call it a success for both teams.

Re: Top Larry Legend Trades as Pacers President

In a vacuum, I think you would have 30/30 taking Leonard over Hill. But if we keep the pick everything changes. Who's our point guard right now? Is it still DC? Are we still looking for one? Do we trade for Brandon Jennings? Can he cut it on a good team? We most certainly don't sign Gerald Green last summer. Does Leonard develop for us the same way he does for the Spurs? Have we already traded Granger because of the promise in the Leonard/George combo? Does Stephenson ever get a chance to play or is he relegated to bench duty? Is he our point guard?

The short of it is that both teams profited from the draft. We got George Hill and the Spurs got Leonard. We both lost a 7 game series against the Miami Heat. I'd call it a success for both teams.

Stop comin in here and throwing all that logic around. It isn't appreciated around here. Didn't you know that every trade has a winner and loser? It can't be a good trade for both teams, that just isn't allowed. It can't even be close either. It has to be a landslide win for one team and a crushing loss for the other. Gosh darned crazy talk around here I swear...

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Re: Top Larry Legend Trades as Pacers President

Leonard really is on the same level as Hill in my opinion. Yes, he's a great staple, but so is Hill. Neither will ever be all-stars so I just don't see the Hill trade being a bad trade for us. He fits better with our core.

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I find it kind of funny how the Scola trade does not mention Miles Plumlee. He gets omitted by the poll just like fans omitted him before he ever played a game. I must admit I am guilty of omitting him on draft night. I hated the pick at the time but after watching him play summer league and D-League games I was starting to like what I saw. Thus far through 2 games he seems to be showing that it may have been a mistake to ever omit him. He is putting up very respectable numbers as their starting C right now.

Edit: Want to clarify that me stating this does not mean I dislike the trade, I think Scola has been and will continue to be a great asset and shredding Green's contract was great. Just merely pointing out how Plumlee was not even mentioned in the poll.

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If Kawhi Leonard was not traded, we would have Indiana Leonard, not San Antonio Leonard. We don't know if Indiana Leonard would even be any good. Granted we all would love to think about Lance, San Antonio Leonard, PG, West, and Roy starting, but the fact is, without Popp's coaching and the veterans he's around there, he might not become a good player.

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Re: Top Larry Legend Trades as Pacers President

I find it kind of funny how the Scola trade does not mention Miles Plumlee. He gets omitted by the poll just like fans omitted him before he ever played a game. I must admit I am guilty of omitting him on draft night. I hated the pick at the time but after watching him play summer league and D-League games I was starting to like what I saw. Thus far through 2 games he seems to be showing that it may have been a mistake to ever omit him. He is putting up very respectable numbers as their starting C right now.

Edit: Want to clarify that me stating this does not mean I dislike the trade, I think Scola has been and will continue to be a great asset and shredding Green's contract was great. Just merely pointing out how Plumlee was not even mentioned in the poll.

not really a synopsis but I see logic in your evaluation of plumlee. It was just a quick insider pacer trade poll. moreover, so thrilled to lose GG that I simply overlooked plumlee.

but ya.. I got nothing against plums and would like to have him as insurance as a big,,, getting rid of GG tho you just cantt let that go. then u get Scola,,,, just overlooked plums. hope we get him back.