[2019-01-27 17:54:23]
@freenode_Mikaela:matrix.org
Thanks. Technical questions: does Jitsi have ?video=off URL-manipulating or does video have to be disabled by hand? Was there any support for PTT? Do you use meetingology or anything similar?

<@freenode_Mikaela:matrix.org> Thanks. Technical questions: does Jitsi have ?video=off URL-manipulating or does video have to be disabled by hand? Was there any support for PTT? Do you use meetingology or anything similar?
I have no idea tbh, this is our first. But there is a button at least to click video off.

[2019-01-27 18:26:44]
@deadsuperhero:feneas.org
haven't tested it extensively, but might be a compelling part of FENEAS infrastructure at some point

[2019-01-27 18:26:53]
@jaywink:feneas.org
should we continue meeting purely in chat?

[2019-01-27 18:26:59]
@hankg:feneas.org
How much is Mumble? It looked like it can get expensive for larger groups

[2019-01-27 18:27:01]
@deadsuperhero:feneas.org
I would be okay with that

[2019-01-27 18:27:29]
@freenode_Mikaela:matrix.org
My partner recently setup http://umurmur.net/ and I don't know how complicated stock Murmur would be. I haven't used it with bigger groups though, but I am suspiscious of everything WebRTC with bigger groups.

[2019-01-27 18:27:33]
@noplanman:feneas.org
yes @ text chat for this time until there's a better voice solution

[2019-01-27 18:29:01]
@jaywink:feneas.org
Note, it is not a "we will only do these" kind of thing. It's more of a "this is on the radar right now"

[2019-01-27 18:29:54]
@deadsuperhero:feneas.org
Drumming up interest among bloggers is interesting to me, it might not be a bad idea to start tracking who else is writing about federated tech right now

[2019-01-27 18:29:56]
@augierle42e:matrix.org

<@noplanman:feneas.org> maybe a self-hosted Jitsi next time or something
Or just Mumble

[2019-01-27 18:31:16]
@jaywink:feneas.org
#feneas-bloggers:feneas.org btw for anyone who wants to network with writers - if it serves the purpose anyway, as a channel :)

[2019-01-27 18:31:16]
@augierle42e:matrix.org
Back to hankg 's question, I have nothing against Feneas' posts getting reposted elsewhere for instance on Medium.com as long as paternity and origin are staed

<@augierle42e:matrix.org> Back to hankg 's question, I have nothing against Feneas' posts getting reposted elsewhere for instance on Medium.com as long as paternity and origin are staed
+1 I thhink also cross-posting is ok, both ways

[2019-01-27 18:34:27]
@jaywink:feneas.org
Also, some members are in the decentralized internet devroom helping

[2019-01-27 18:34:40]
@heluecht:feneas.org
Question is, if we can participate on any stand at the FOSDEM with a place where we can show our stickers and stuff.

[2019-01-27 18:34:41]
@jaywink:feneas.org
we should try to get some stickers there, and maybe even a shout out between some talks?

[2019-01-27 18:34:47]
@augierle42e:matrix.org

<@deadsuperhero:feneas.org> Side question: have we thought about a presence at FOSDEM?
We talked about that. I wanted so, as I also participate to the organisation of the decentralized dev room. But it's not planned for this year, as I'm aware of

[2019-01-27 18:40:44]
@jaranta:matrix.org
Any idea what the "possible additional grants" would be?

[2019-01-27 18:40:46]
@jaywink:feneas.org
for the "profit", two items were listed: sponsoring individuals to conferences to talk about the federated social web. this would have to be a public application process etc until the amount of funds is used. the other thing could be using funds to sponsor development to bring the federated web closer together

<@hankg:feneas.org> Assuming there is more demand than profits is there a standard process for asking members for additional sponsorship funds?
No, except the committee finance people (me, lukas atm) should carefully review spending so that we can't suddenly pay server costs.

[2019-01-27 18:43:09]
@heluecht:feneas.org
I would think about it, if we had the need for additional money.

<@noplanman:feneas.org> extra profit can be saved in case a bigger investment is planned, right?
sure, we can also choose to write in the budget that extra profit is not planned to be spent - it will be spent when needed

[2019-01-27 18:47:01]
@heluecht:feneas.org
With the exception of reserves.

[2019-01-27 18:48:11]
@jaywink:feneas.org
Shall we delete the "Possible distribution of profit:" from the budget proposal?

[2019-01-27 18:49:03]
@hankg:feneas.org
If there is no plan/intention to I'd say yes

[2019-01-27 18:49:03]
@freenode_Mikaela:matrix.org
Does Feneas receive money from anywhere requiring all the money to be used or less money will be received next year?

[2019-01-27 18:49:14]
@heluecht:feneas.org
Currently we don't know, how we could distribute it, so it would be a better idea, I guess.

<@freenode_Mikaela:matrix.org> Does Feneas receive money from anywhere requiring all the money to be used or less money will be received next year?
No

[2019-01-27 18:50:08]
@augierle42e:matrix.org
I'm not sure it is worth talking about distributing money for now with 130€ in the bank 😅

[2019-01-27 18:50:16]
@jaywink:feneas.org
PROPOSAL: Accept proposed budget delivered to room with the removal of "Possible distribution of profit:" lines and leaving the usage of non-reserves up to case by case by committee

[2019-01-27 18:51:40]
@jaywink:feneas.org
ACCEPTED: Accept proposed budget delivered to room with the removal of "Possible distribution of profit:" lines and leaving the usage of non-reserves up to case by case by committee

[2019-01-27 18:53:38]
@heluecht:feneas.org
We should think about increasing, if we would have feneas conferences or other expensive stuff.

[2019-01-27 18:53:42]
@jaywink:feneas.org
I would like to however think how we can ease invoicing the end of the year. Possibly we could define the fee as: "12€ for the whole year with 5€ being the minimum". So if you join in novemeber, you need to pay 5€.

<@freenode_Mikaela:matrix.org> Is there more reason to the minimum than getting more money out of members?
sending invoices for a few euros

[2019-01-27 18:57:24]
@jaywink:feneas.org
some people have to pay fees for paying

[2019-01-27 18:57:42]
@freenode_Mikaela:matrix.org
I am thinking on how I joined in December with 13 € IIRC, while with the minimum I would have to pay 17 € and it would have been better for me to just have waited for a few days before joining.

[2019-01-27 18:58:15]
@noplanman:feneas.org
i think an option to pay the rest + 1 year should work too

[2019-01-27 18:58:19]
@heluecht:feneas.org
Possibly we should better add some rule that there is some minimum payment?

[2019-01-27 18:58:28]
@heluecht:feneas.org
But this would be added to the following year?

[2019-01-27 18:58:32]
@jaywink:feneas.org
many members in fact have paid extra when joining anyway :)

<@freenode_Mikaela:matrix.org> I see
The rules say: "The Annual General Meetings decide the amount of the admission- and annual membership fees for individuals and legal entities. The Annual General Meetings can also decide to not require admission or annual membership fees."

[2019-01-27 19:01:40]
@heluecht:feneas.org
I don't see a problem with possibly increasing or decreasing fees after they had been payed.

[2019-01-27 19:02:05]
@heluecht:feneas.org
The person has payed for the year, so the person doesn't have to pay more, even it the fee increased.

[2019-01-27 19:02:12]
@freenode_Mikaela:matrix.org
I meant that as response to [20:58:20] Possibly we should better add some rule that there is some minimum payment?

<@heluecht:feneas.org> The person has payed for the year, so the person doesn't have to pay more, even it the fee increased.
this, i agree with. and if the fee changes, good for the person for paying early

[2019-01-27 19:03:31]
@jaywink:feneas.org
"Ratify annual membership fee as 1€ per month. The membership fee is invoiced at the beginning of the year for the whole year. If a member joins mid year, they should pay 1€ per month up until the remainder of the year. If the member joins in the last quarter, they should pay additionally the fee for the next year in the same payment to avoid invoices of a few euros." <--- sound ok?

[2019-01-27 19:04:00]
@jaywink:feneas.org
PROPOSAL: Ratify annual membership fee as 1€ per month. The membership fee is invoiced at the beginning of the year for the whole year. If a member joins mid year, they should pay 1€ per month up until the remainder of the year. If the member joins in the last quarter, they should pay additionally the fee for the next year in the same payment to avoid invoices of a few euros.

[2019-01-27 19:04:55]
@jaywink:feneas.org
ACCEPTED: Ratify annual membership fee as 1€ per month. The membership fee is invoiced at the beginning of the year for the whole year. If a member joins mid year, they should pay 1€ per month up until the remainder of the year. If the member joins in the last quarter, they should pay additionally the fee for the next year in the same payment to avoid invoices of a few euros.

[2019-01-27 19:08:13]
@jaywink:feneas.org
Committee members participate in committee meetings where things are decided for example what to use money for. We don't have set meetings. We have constant meeting happening in the committee room

[2019-01-27 19:08:49]
@jaywink:feneas.org
Legal responsibility in the sense that if Feneas breaks the law, the committee is potentially responsible

[2019-01-27 19:09:02]
@jaranta:matrix.org
Are all the current committee members present here?

[2019-01-27 19:09:03]
@jaywink:feneas.org
The committee members ARE NOT responsible with their own finances, should feneas go in debt

[2019-01-27 19:09:59]
@jaywink:feneas.org
"Pia Robinson (vice-president)" is a special member as she doesn't actually participate. So yes, but no. She is the "second finn". Finnish association rules require president and vice to be living in finland.

[2019-01-27 19:10:03]
@augierle42e:matrix.org
jaranta: I am

[2019-01-27 19:10:27]
@freenode_Mikaela:matrix.org
what if there is a misappropriation or the members won't give a release of legal responsibility for some other eason in a general assembly?

<@freenode_Mikaela:matrix.org> what if there is a misappropriation or the members won't give a release of legal responsibility for some other eason in a general assembly?
Sorry, I don't fully understand the question?

[2019-01-27 19:11:29]
@jaranta:matrix.org
Mikaela & me are the only Finns currently present?

[2019-01-27 19:15:23]
@jaranta:matrix.org
Jason Robinson: I don't think the registry holds any legal power beyond registration, but I might be wrong. That's probably not very important here, though.

[2019-01-27 19:15:49]
@jaywink:feneas.org
Yes definitely we should replace Pia as soon as possible. Note, an exception can be filed to have someone not in Finland to be as vice for example, it just costs 100€.

[2019-01-27 19:15:52]
@freenode_Mikaela:matrix.org
I think at most the chairperson and deputy chairperson are reported to them

[2019-01-27 19:16:35]
@jaywink:feneas.org
But anyway, there isn't anything in the rules on this matter. Would probably have to consult a lawyer in that case. I would assume all the members would quit though :)

[2019-01-27 19:16:35]
@zauberstuhl:feneas.org
I think right now .. its not important to replace her. since we still have some seats left

<@freenode_Mikaela:matrix.org> also are people allowed to vote for themselves?
Each member has one vote

[2019-01-27 19:23:19]
@jaywink:feneas.org
Doesn't matter what is being voted upon

[2019-01-27 19:23:33]
@jaranta:matrix.org
For the record: I'm up for possibly joining the board, if we want to make sure all participants are active in day-to-day. It's not really a great situation if Pia is legally responsiple for things she is not taking part in.

[2019-01-27 19:24:03]
@freenode_Mikaela:matrix.org
I was thinking of eturistiriita (conflict-of-interest(?)), but it works the same way everywhere else too

[2019-01-27 19:24:24]
@jaranta:matrix.org
(But that is for future reference.)

[2019-01-27 19:24:46]
@jaywink:feneas.org
Well, as said, she is willingly doing this, but for sure, in the long run this is not ideal. But you don't want to join now?

[2019-01-27 19:25:14]
@jaranta:matrix.org
I'll figure out by summer if I have time to be active.

<@jaranta:matrix.org> For the record: I'm up for possibly joining the board, if we want to make sure all participants are active in day-to-day. It's not really a great situation if Pia is legally responsiple for things she is not taking part in.
absolutely agree with this

[2019-01-27 19:26:17]
@freenode_Mikaela:matrix.org
hmm, we should probably have asked you all to introduce yourselves

hmm, we should probably have asked you all to introduce yourselves
next time with audio ;)

[2019-01-27 19:26:48]
@jaywink:feneas.org
So, here we don't have much options currently, as already said. Any other options than me continuing and Pia being vice means applying for exception, which we totally can do, but just noting it is 100€

[2019-01-27 19:27:05]
@jaywink:feneas.org
Does anyone want to propose another solution which includes applying for an exception?

[2019-01-27 19:27:13]
@zauberstuhl:feneas.org
I am good with the current setup