You don't have to read too many forums to see that it is a widespread problem, not just local to Honestabebread's area. I don't know how the return rate compares to other models, but at this point, I'm still not convinced that the majority of the problems are hardware. I want to see how it works after the Portico update, and THEN make that call. For now, though, I'm still convinced that it's OS/Firmware/Software related. IMO it's too widespread to be as much hardware as many people think.

As to why some and not others? We all have different configurations, and we all use our phones different ways. That by itself can be enough to make the difference. It could be that my keeping BT on all the time, and someone else never using BT is my problem. But that third person, who also doesn't use BT, may have his phone configured in a way that it exposes a different bug. And that fourth person, something else. We are early adopters. This is where the bugs come out to play.

Just today, I was using Package Tracker, and I scanned a barcode, then tapped the checkmark to submit, before putting a name of the package in. I got a messagebox, then tapped ok, then tapped the combobox to pick a carrier, which triggered a reboot for some reason. So yes, there are still bugs in the system, and yes, I'm convinced that they will get worked out. I'm sure there are some hardware problems, but I also believe that the majority of the phones being replaced don't need to be - they need the update.

Yes, I could be wrong, but that's where I stand until the update comes out to prove one way or the other.

You don't have to read too many forums to see that it is a widespread problem, not just local to Honestabebread's area. I don't know how the return rate compares to other models, but at this point, I'm still not convinced that the majority of the problems are hardware. I want to see how it works after the Portico update, and THEN make that call. For now, though, I'm still convinced that it's OS/Firmware/Software related. IMO it's too widespread to be as much hardware as many people think.

As to why some and not others? We all have different configurations, and we all use our phones different ways. That by itself can be enough to make the difference. It could be that my keeping BT on all the time, and someone else never using BT is my problem. But that third person, who also doesn't use BT, may have his phone configured in a way that it exposes a different bug. And that fourth person, something else. We are early adopters. This is where the bugs come out to play.

Just today, I was using Package Tracker, and I scanned a barcode, then tapped the checkmark to submit, before putting a name of the package in. I got a messagebox, then tapped ok, then tapped the combobox to pick a carrier, which triggered a reboot for some reason. So yes, there are still bugs in the system, and yes, I'm convinced that they will get worked out. I'm sure there are some hardware problems, but I also believe that the majority of the phones being replaced don't need to be - they need the update.

Yes, I could be wrong, but that's where I stand until the update comes out to prove one way or the other.

In this case I do believe you are wrong and the issues triggering the returns are not widespread, yes - Honestabebread stated the issue primarily causing 822 returns in his area was the device not activating on the network at all. He did not mention reboots or any of the other known bugs of the initial release:
Link: http://forums.windowscentral.com/upc...tm#post1857480

Thus, since I have not heard this anywhere nor have I seen it experienced in my area, it is most likely a regional issue with Honestabebread's specific serviced market area. I do believe there are bugs with the initial release (i.e. reboots, SD card issues, XBOX music problems), but this does not appear to be what is triggering the returns in his case.

Hmmm.... Somehow I missed that. Weird. That would lead me to lean toward firmware, though. But I'd agree with the person that he was replying to, that we don't seem to have as many problems as others. At least that's my perception.

Hmmm.... Somehow I missed that. Weird. That would lead me to lean toward firmware, though. But I'd agree with the person that he was replying to, that we don't seem to have as many problems as others. At least that's my perception.

Personally I believe all the WP devices have the same software bugs (i.e. random reboots, poor performance of xbox music on local libraries), but some brands may be a bit more affected than others due to minor hardware differences. I don't think these software bugs are deal breaker for most, though, as most expect some minor bugs with new tech these days (unlike failing to activate on the network, which is a show stopper).

The phone with the biggest problems appears to be the HTC 8X due to the initial first couple of revisions that had the defective soft coating that was too porous. Based on various comments here, they have since revised the coating and fixed that.

The Nokia 920 had some issues with "creaking" that apparently was due to over or undertightening of screws on the case.

The 822 didn't have too many issues except the SD card issues, but honestly I feel that is an OS problem more than Nokia's. It seems some of the apps such as Mail and Xbox Music crash when they run into a massive number of files. Since SD cards hold a lot of files, you run into the issue more there.

One thing is for sure, Windows Phone 8 was not as bug-free as Windows Phone 7 out of the gate, but then again WP8 has a ton more features. Let's just hope they get it right soon before people start to notice these bugs as they use their device more.

And wow do they have a lot of work to do on XBOX Music... that is a mess!

Stability was the main reason members of my family considered moving to WP. My Dad has a palm pre and asked the other day if WP8 was as stable as WP7.5...We all know the answer to that. Good thing he is patient and understands that a new OS will not be perfect out the gate.

So it looks like the issue with the 822 has been figured out. You have to set the phone to Global mode and turn on data roaming for whatever reason. It still doesn't show "Verizon" as the network, but it works.

Personally, I'm hoping to get a BB10 phone for my next work phone (being a trainer = new phone every 3 months) and then I'm looking to hear about the next Nexus. July is when I have to switch from one year contracts to two year contracts, so my personal phone decision will be a lot more important. The only time I'd buy an Android is if it was a Nexus. I love WP8 but there are a few features I want that I'm not sure I'll get. So my next phone will be either a BB10 or a WP8, whichever one is blossomed the most by July. If both of them flop, I'll go with a Nexus. I won't go Apple because I find my iPad boring and I don't think I could handle it as a phone.

Blah blah blah.

Ativ Odyssey will be $100 on contract. It will have poor sales and I'm sure Samsung will give up on WP8 some point after. Same specs as the Free Galaxy Stellar. Makes no sense.

$100 for the samsung? Are they smoking crack? You've got to get someone at verizon who has half a brain to turn that beast around. The 822 was free on contract. (Now only $50) and it's 10 times the phone. I've been battling Verizon for weeks on a slew of mistakes they made when they sold me the phone. "Sure, it will wirelessly charge with just the charging plate. you don't need the back"

I like to customize my phone. WP8 does not allow for much of this. But I am very happy with it. It just works without complaint. Things happen the way they are supposed to. I only wish I could USB Sync.

I assume that is because a majority of people fail to send in their rebates?

No. Its because people get upset if you tell them a phone is $100 and then at checkout they have to pay $150. And I train my reps to include the upgrade fee up front as well. As for not sending them in, I cut out the rebates and put them in addressed envelopes for my customers so there was nothing I could be blamed for.

No. Its because people get upset if you tell them a phone is $100 and then at checkout they have to pay $150. And I train my reps to include the upgrade fee up front as well. As for not sending them in, I cut out the rebates and put them in addressed envelopes for my customers so there was nothing I could be blamed for.

Every time I've bought a phone in my Verizon store the rep has done the same with the rebate.

I'm wishing the update was here... I'm sitting in the Georgia Dome, getting ready to watch the Honda Battle of the Bands, and really wish I would be able to take good video (even though it is prohibited).

I'm wishing the update was here... I'm sitting in the Georgia Dome, getting ready to watch the Honda Battle of the Bands, and really wish I would be able to take good video (even though it is prohibited).

Glad you guys had helpful reps. I knew my rep personally, and he still could not help me get the phone. It was the most painful thing I have done this year was purchase the phone. It's early though, Perhaps Time Warner can tic me off again like they did in november....

Glad you guys had helpful reps. I knew my rep personally, and he still could not help me get the phone. It was the most painful thing I have done this year was purchase the phone. It's early though, Perhaps Time Warner can tic me off again like they did in november....