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"Another common apologetic is that "the world is filled with unsavory characters, and we must deal with them if we are to protect American interests at all." There are two things wrong with this. First, it ignores the fact that the CIA has regularly spurned alliances with defenders of democracy, free speech and human rights, preferring the company of military dictators and tyrants. The CIA had moral options available to them, but did not take them.

Second, this argument begs several questions. The first is: "Which American interests?" The CIA has courted right-wing dictators because they allow wealthy Americans to exploit the country’s cheap labor and resources. But poor and middle-class Americans pay the price whenever they fight the wars that stem from CIA actions, from Vietnam to the Gulf War to Panama. The second begged question is: "Why should American interests come at the expense of other peoples’ human rights?"

No, it's so selfish pieces of trash like Lisa, patsfan09, BostonTim, jetsknicks1, etc can get on message boards and be monumental douches to people who present ideas which challenge their way of life and sense of reality.

No, it's so selfish pieces of trash like Lisa, patsfan09, BostonTim, jetsknicks1, etc can get on message boards and be monumental douches to people who present ideas which challenge their way of life and sense of reality.

WHERE IN THIS THREAD HAS ANYONE YOU NAMED BEEN A MONUMENTAL DOUCHE?

in the other thread it was a shitshow of give and take but why start this one off like this?

No, it's so selfish pieces of trash like Lisa, patsfan09, BostonTim, jetsknicks1, etc can get on message boards and be monumental douches to people who present ideas which challenge their way of life and sense of reality.

Thatís odd, pretty sure the people you listed destroyed your pathetic, douchy, whiny, woe-is-me asshattery that you obsess over because your life sucks. Get over yourself.

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the eyes of the dead, nor feed on the spectres in books,
You shall not look through my eyes either, nor take things from me,
You shall listen to all sides and filter them from your self. " Walt Whitman, Song of Myself

The right of “the self-determination of nations” applies only to free societies or to societies seeking to establish freedom; it does not apply to dictatorships. Just as an individual’s right of free action does not include the “right” to commit crimes (that is, to violate the rights of others), so the right of a nation to determine its own form of government does not include the right to establish a slave society (that is, to legalize the enslavement of some men by others). There is no such thing as “the right to enslave.” A nation can do it, just as a man can become a criminal—but neither can do it by right.

It does not matter, in this context, whether a nation was enslaved by force, like Soviet Russia, or by vote, like Nazi Germany. Individual rights are not subject to a public vote; a majority has no right to vote away the rights of a minority; the political function of rights is precisely to protect minorities from oppression by majorities (and the smallest minority on earth is the individual). Whether a slave society was conquered or chose to be enslaved, it can claim no national rights and no recognition of such “rights” by civilized countries—just as a mob of gangsters cannot demand a recognition of its “rights” and a legal equality with an industrial concern or a university, on the ground that the gangsters chose by unanimous vote to engage in that particular kind of group activity.

Dictatorship nations are outlaws. Any free nation had the right to invade Nazi Germany and, today, has the right to invade Soviet Russia, Cuba or any other slave pen. Whether a free nation chooses to do so or not is a matter of its own self-interest, not of respect for the non-existent “rights” of gang rulers. It is not a free nation’s duty to liberate other nations at the price of self-sacrifice, but a free nation has the right to do it, when and if it so chooses.

— Ayn Rand, “Collectivized ‘Rights,’”

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No, it's so selfish pieces of trash like Lisa, patsfan09, BostonTim, jetsknicks1, etc can get on message boards and be monumental douches to people who present ideas which challenge their way of life and sense of reality.

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