New Member

Hi everybody,
I am selling my business, I am a genuine seller, please see the description below, no time wasters please!
Complete graphic design / photo restoration / printing business for sale due to moving abroad.

What is included:

reserved “co.uk” web domain with one of the world's largest web hosting companies

I can help you with setting up your account with this hosting company

can also advise a good invoicing application I was using.

The business is insured up to £1.000.000 with one of the best Insurance companies in the UK. I won`t mention any names here, but happy to share the information in private communication.

will share my profit making strategy with the buyer

print ready stationery, advertising the business, business card, flyer etc. templates, logo versions, but if you want to make up a new one, you`re more than welcome.

pdf`s, guides about selling, achieving customers and many more

can share information about a very useful leading online learning platform, with access to 13,000+ expert-led courses in 12 different topics, like 3D, Animation, Audio, Music, Business, Design (including the complete Adobe Suite), Marketing, Photography, Video and more.

The package also comes with an established connection with one of the best print reseller, digital & litho trade specialist in the UK, again, I won`t name it here, but can help setting up your account and show around. Sample packs, excellent margin, very helpful team.
Also, I can help you setting up a mailbox with one of the UK`s best retail center in case if you don`t want it to receive communication at your home address. They can also help with shipping, advertising, etc.
If you are a serious buyer and you live in Hampshire I`ll share with you the contact details of a few sales representatives, who would be happy to work with you to build/extend your client base.

Guiding price is £1600 for the whole package including a Photoshop image noise reduction plugin as well, worthing £75
This is a home based business, so the running cost is about £100/month, that includes all the memberships, invoicing, domain and hosting, antivirus. Expected profit is £50-100/day, when it is up to speed.

Moderator

I'm sorry but I'm going to have to say this as I can't let other people go into this blind.

First off the OP doesn't say WHAT dual core cpu they have, even so dual core in this day is deemed pretty 'low end' in terms of cost and in all honesty isn't really enough performance for graphic design imo. No mention of a gpu so you'd be using the inbuilt one which isn't going to be very strong either, if I was to take a guess I'd say it's likely running an AMD A series cpu which have a built in gpu, the OP is free to correct this if he wants but I'm extrapolating based on above info. A quick google shows you can get an equivalent system brand new for around £400-500....

The screen is £250 brand new, the scanner and tablet are under £200 together. Throw in a keyboard and mouse for about £50 quid so another £500 on top of the PC.

Adobe software means nothing as it's no different to going to their site and renting it like normal so the OP is basically asking £1600 for about £1000 worth of items when BRAND NEW (might as well half that second hand), a domain name which could be anything so about £5, a £75 (when new) denoiser (there are plenty of cheaper options) an insurance policy which doesn't mean anything (I can insure mine for that much, doesn't mean it's worth that much) and what is essentially a 'get rich quick scheme' from the OP....

The OP also says it's a printing business but there is no mention of any printing equipment.....it's just a connection to another printer, well you can get that here, just give @Stationery Direct (there are some others too iirc) a shout on this forum

So to anyone reading this... use your head here, you'd be paying £1600 for essentially £600 worth of items and a domain name that might have ZERO visitors per week for all we know.

New Member

I understand that you as the moderator of the forum have the right to say whatever you think to protect the other members from being deceived. But I am a member (even if I am new) as well, and you are not protecting me here.
Let me point out a few things, just for the sake of clarification:

1) the price is guide price which means this is negotiable. if you live in this world, you must know that people always negotiate, if I would say £1000 at the beginning, even a serious buyer would offer only the 60-70% of it initially.
2) but also, if you would start building up a business from scratch, you would notice shortly, that there is a lot to do. I truly beleive, there is hidden value in this "package", you just don`t realise, as you don`t understand how much work it takes to put all of this together.
Just because you don`t appreciate the fact that I am giving away something I was working on for a couple months, please don`t call me a cheater, others might see the value in it.
3) so, to summarize it up, I am not expecting to get £1600 for it.

4) "not enough performance": I wonder how much experience you have as a graphic designer, I`ve been in this sector for over 10 years, and I can tell you it is not the CPU or the RAM that makes you an ergonomic designer, but your working method, a good layer management, knowing how to set up your workflow etc. wannabee designers think they will need the latest mac pro to draw a circle. false. In fact, this offer would suit only those, who have some knowledge and experience.
5) you are questioning the cpu, well here it is: Pentium Dual-Core CPU, E6500, 2.93Ghz, 2.933 Mhz. Nowadays it is categorised as low-end. This is why I am not selling just the computer itself for £2000, right?
6) please don`t assume, but ask. The computer comes with a GPU, namely the GeForce GTX 750 Ti, please check out the specs on google. Thanks for giving me the chance to correct you on this
7) the screen is £267 the cheepest when brand new, but you`ve done a pretty good job on looking up for prices here, thanks for confirming to the other members, you saved some time for them, they will be grateful for this.
8) now. just to avoid confusion. I am not trying to sell this domain for more than what I paid for it. you should be moderated out too as saying "...and what is essentially a 'get rich quick scheme' from the OP...." is rude and arrogant.
9) printing equipment: you`re right, i am not selling any printing equipment, I am offering my help for free to direct the potential buyer to a well established nationwide and well known printing company, who`s range is far more than what Stationery Direct can offer.
10) and here is a message to the members: as the moderator said: please use your head here, and do not jump on the moderators view straight, but contact me instead and ask your questions.

New Member

Just one more thing on the denoiser. True, you can find cheaper options, and you can spend the double of what a good one would cost with buying cheap (or download free) plugins which will not do the job, so you buy another one and another one... If you want to offer cheap solutions to your clients, go for the cheaper, hey! But I`ve spent about a week just on finding this one, and I would buy it again, as it works. Oh, by the way, if Insurance doesn`t mean anything to you, than try to be on the market offering business services without it and you`ll see the difference. Last sentence to the Moderator: I don`t quite understand how can you insure your own business, so please explain it to me, mine cost £120 for a year, it is with Hiscox by the way, and I do sleep well. Dave

Moderator

I understand that you as the moderator of the forum have the right to say whatever you think to protect the other members from being deceived. But I am a member (even if I am new) as well, and you are not protecting me here.
Let me point out a few things, just for the sake of clarification:

1) the price is guide price which means this is negotiable. if you live in this world, you must know that people always negotiate, if I would say £1000 at the beginning, even a serious buyer would offer only the 60-70% of it initially.
2) but also, if you would start building up a business from scratch, you would notice shortly, that there is a lot to do. I truly beleive, there is hidden value in this "package", you just don`t realise, as you don`t understand how much work it takes to put all of this together.
Just because you don`t appreciate the fact that I am giving away something I was working on for a couple months, please don`t call me a cheater, others might see the value in it.
3) so, to summarize it up, I am not expecting to get £1600 for it.

4) "not enough performance": I wonder how much experience you have as a graphic designer, I`ve been in this sector for over 10 years, and I can tell you it is not the CPU or the RAM that makes you an ergonomic designer, but your working method, a good layer management, knowing how to set up your workflow etc. wannabee designers think they will need the latest mac pro to draw a circle. false. In fact, this offer would suit only those, who have some knowledge and experience.
5) you are questioning the cpu, well here it is: Pentium Dual-Core CPU, E6500, 2.93Ghz, 2.933 Mhz. Nowadays it is categorised as low-end. This is why I am not selling just the computer itself for £2000, right?
6) please don`t assume, but ask. The computer comes with a GPU, namely the GeForce GTX 750 Ti, please check out the specs on google. Thanks for giving me the chance to correct you on this
7) the screen is £267 the cheepest when brand new, but you`ve done a pretty good job on looking up for prices here, thanks for confirming to the other members, you saved some time for them, they will be grateful for this.
8) now. just to avoid confusion. I am not trying to sell this domain for more than what I paid for it. you should be moderated out too as saying "...and what is essentially a 'get rich quick scheme' from the OP...." is rude and arrogant.
9) printing equipment: you`re right, i am not selling any printing equipment, I am offering my help for free to direct the potential buyer to a well established nationwide and well known printing company, who`s range is far more than what Stationery Direct can offer.
10) and here is a message to the members: as the moderator said: please use your head here, and do not jump on the moderators view straight, but contact me instead and ask your questions.

First off, don't assume that my comments were as a moderator of the forum, in fact we're quite laid back moderators on here and won't remove things unless they are offensive or just plain spam etc. The fact is I would have said EXACTLY the same things even if I wasn't a moderator, in fact I'd have likely said more but didn't BECAUSE of my moderator status.

As to 4, If you'd like to look around the forum you will see that we openly state what you've just said about hardware not being a true measure of skill, we are forever stating 'pen and paper' when asked 'where to start' on something. However you're selling hardware and the simple fact is, as you've stated yourself, is that the hardware in you machine is low end, in fact in tech terms it's ancient (the cpu is from 2008). In terms of a computer anyone on here who knows about PC's will state quite openly that you shouldn't consider a pc with less than quad cores and 16GB RAM these days if you want any sort of longevity out of it. We also don't just recommend mac's, we're not blinded by the 'graphic designers must use mac's' philosophy although several of us do use them, I don't because my 3D Design programs aren't available on OS-X. Anybody reading this and want pc/mac advice, start a thread, including budget, and we'll do our best to point you in the right direction.

I've also been in design for over 10 years and I've been an avid pc enthusiast for a LOT longer, so I know what will work well when it comes to a pc for a designer.

As I said the bulk of your 'package' is basically a 'get rich quick scheme' in terms of what you're offering.
'Information' about how to run your business - plenty of banks offer this for free
Contact with a printer, which to be honest we could likely do ourselves via a telephone or email hence no names being mentioned.
Invoice tools... um most banks offer this up or you can just ask here on the forum, we'll offer that sort of information up for free...
'will share my profit making strategy with the buyer ' and 'pdf`s, guides about selling, achieving customers and many more' - honestly, you don't think this sounds exactly like the 'get rich quick' adverts online....because I do.
Branded stuff... well it has value if it's any good BUT you already said they might end up wanting to change it and seeing as you're selling to a designer who could likely knock their own out it doesn't really have any value for most of us.
Directions to tutorials... yeah we can point them to places like lynda too.
Sales reps...ah those lovely companies that take a percentage of our profits for well not doing a lot...

I'm sorry I just don't see the justification in the price...you are trying to sell a package for £1600 but said package, as I said, does not have anywhere near that value in it, hell after your additional information I'm not even sure it's worth the £600 I said earlier let alone £1600. Now if it had some sort of printing equipment, seeing as that is part of the business you're selling, then I might think differently but you already state you're basically outsourcing your printing and there is NOTHING stopping a new company doing this.

I'd honestly say a new designer (lets be honest no established company is going to buy this) would be better of investing £1600 in a new pc (likely not needed in most cases so a considerable saving), a website (grab something like squarespace if not into web design), a small bit of marketing and then spending some time looking for companies, local if possible, that they can use for things like bulk printing.

New Member

OK. Obviously this place is not the right place to advertise. Nobody will send a request ever after such introduction what you performed here dear Moderator. You can have your opinion, but I don`t have to agree with that. I never said the computer is a high end mac, did I? Nor that other people can not spend time finding the softwares, equipments, printers and so on I am selling here. Lesson learned. Avoid graphic design forums. It is always easier to criticise. I am not up to this game, sorry.

Hello fisicx. Is 1&1 Ionos good enough for you with offices in 10 different countries, being on the market since 1988? And no, the business is not making any money at the moment, this would be your work, if you want profit, guess what, you need to work, not just sit and open your mouth. You guys are dreaming.

Well-Known Member

If you're selling this as a business, you're not selling it very well. It just comes across as a website and some computer equipment,
and priced accordingly. No mention of how long it's been going for, how many enquiries per week you get, regular client base details, accounts etc.
It might be a nice little start-up for the right person, but it doesn't come across that way. You might get a few enquiries from here, but most of the people
replying on here are experienced professionals.

New Member

I promised myself not to be bothered about this forum here anymore, but I just want to thank you Wardy for your input. Finally someone, who is putting me in the right direction, without beeing an idiot or saying that I am an idiot.
Here is the message to you Paul (moderator): stop being smarty and take some lessons from Wardy how to approach people. I trust there are experienced professionals here, but I met only one so far here. I admit the price was unrealistic, I used this forum to test the water really, so thanks for all of you. Don`t fall into the trap of being proud of yourself! Value your day, value the people around you.

Moderator

You'd probably be better off selling your equipment off separately, and then approaching a few businesses with your contacts - set up a 10% profit for yourself from any business they do with your contacts a set amount of time. And then after that you cut your ties.

You're willing to help out with the new business owner, so willing to help out with the new business relationship should work too. Perhaps approach a few small creative design agencies without access to printing contacts.

Using this model would mean that they would be inclined to use your customer contacts to drum up business and any business they get from them they get 90% of the profit and you get 10% - and that eases them into a relationship with them - while gives you a way out in 1 year/6 months/3 months whatever you agree on.

And if you want 10% of the profit it would drive you to contact your customers to get more work from them, which would give more work to the creative agency and to your print provider.

It would be just a way to sell your customer contact list in non-intrusive way to your existing base.

Moderator

I promised myself not to be bothered about this forum here anymore, but I just want to thank you Wardy for your input. Finally someone, who is putting me in the right direction, without beeing an idiot or saying that I am an idiot.
Here is the message to you Paul (moderator): stop being smarty and take some lessons from Wardy how to approach people. I trust there are experienced professionals here, but I met only one so far here. I admit the price was unrealistic, I used this forum to test the water really, so thanks for all of you. Don`t fall into the trap of being proud of yourself! Value your day, value the people around you.

Moderator

My own fault for skimming posts here - you admit your business price is unrealistic and you are testing the waters - basically chancing your arm to get some cash - and that is deceiving our forum users.

Thread closed.

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