Congrats on the Draco. I think I saw a 5.45 at newfrontierarmory.com
I just ordered an arsenal from them. They're great to work with. J&R sports over in Livermore is accepting the transfer, I've been dealing with Joe. He has also been a great help. Plus he gave me a calguns member discount.
Just my two cents.

As a last resort maybe. Last I saw they charged $100 for the transfer on pistols. Ill drive a ways to save cash!

You do understand an FFL can charge anything they want for an out of state transfer?

From my short time down there, black rifle friendly FFL's are few and far between and an AK pistol transfer is gonna be really tough.

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and an ACE or similar stock on the rear. Still trying to find a write up on adapting an ultimac to this pistol though.

Are you going to turn your Draco into a rifle?
If so, you will have to permanetly install the muzzle attachment to give it a minimum 16" barrel length and you'll have to make sure the OAL is 30" or greater.

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Nice pistols guys! I have a quick question, if you moved to a free state, could you put a stock on these pistols and register it as an SBR?

Yes. However, you will need to get BATFE approval for a SBR prior to installing a shoulder stock. Once you get your $200 tax stamp, you can legally install a shoulder stock.

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BATFE will not approve the transfer/making of a SBR without having a valid Dangerous Weapons Permit from the CA DOJ BOF.

The Dangerous Weapons Permit requires a "good cause" statement.
If you are not working as a propmaster for the movie industry, you have a near impossible chance of getting approved.

If by the grace of God you get approved for a Dangerous Weapons Permit; you have to pay CA DOJ a yearly fee, have to register all the vehicles the SBR will be transported in, have to register all the locations where the SBR will be stored and are subject to yearly inspection audits by CA DOJ BOF. Transporting the SBR in a non-registered vehicle or storing the SBR in a non-registered location, is grounds to have your Dangerous Weapons Permit revoked and SBR confiscated.

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Uh...ok. Not a big deal, never said I was going the SBR route, just considering it. Still going with a barrel extension.

When you go the pistol to rifle route, don't forget to permanetly install the muzzle extension prior to installing the shoulder stock.

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Originally Posted by BATFE NFA Handbook

The ATF procedure for measuring barrel length is to measure from the closed bolt (or breech-face) to the furthermost end of the barrel or permanently attached muzzle device. Permanent methods of attachment include full-fusion gas or electric steel-seam welding, high-temperature (1100°F) silver
soldering, or blind pinning with the pin head welded over. Barrels are measured by inserting a dowel rod into the barrel until the rod stops against the bolt or breech-face. The rod is then marked at the furthermost end of the barrel or permanently attached muzzle device, withdrawn from the barrel, and measured.

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Nice pistols guys! I have a quick question, if you moved to a free state, could you put a stock on these pistols and register it as an SBR?

Yes - but it's the other way 'round. You must have the tax stamp in hand before installing a stock. That's my plan (eventually). In the meantime, while I'm stuck here in CA, I'm planning to do the same as C.W.M.V. is contemplating - permanently install a muzzle device to extend the barrel to 16", then a stock to convert it into a carbine. It'll be easy to remove the muzzle device when the time comes.

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Maybe this is a dumb question, but with plenty of cheap AK's around, why spend the money on a specialized AK pistol (the Draco) just to turn it into a rifle?

Had to try an AK pistol just to see what it was like. Already have a RAW AK, so no worries if it didn't work out. After having it a while, it looks like a very good base for a SBR when I escape CA, so no loss on the investment.

Oh, yeah... also, because we can!

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These work best as they are with a laser mounted on it preferably a tri beam here is my project so far

going to add a single point slint too

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Had to try an AK pistol just to see what it was like. Already have a RAW AK, so no worries if it didn't work out. After having it a while, it looks like a very good base for a SBR when I escape CA, so no loss on the investment.

Oh, yeah... also, because we can!

Amen to all of that. For me mostly because it looks cool.
This

Plus this

=Cool little carbine.

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VFG on a pistol is an AOW. Send in a Form 1 to the ATF to make an AOW with $200, wait ~3 months, get back approved Form 1 with $200 tax stamp, engrave your name, city, state on firearm, install VFG, done.

So Im thinking I may be trying to re invent the wheel here by drilling/tapping the rear trunnion, what all is necessary to install a traditional rear trunnion? How does one flatten/mushroom the rivets?

Anyway, pistol will be here on the first. Looking forward to it.

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Looks to me like you'd have to drill out the pistol trunnion rivets and drill new holes in the receiver for your new trunnion, as the pistol trunnion holes are in the same location as for an underfolder trunnion. Then you'd need to weld the old rivet holes, grind/sand, then refinish the weapon.

I remember seeing one, but can't remember if it was on here or Arfcom and can't find it. The poster specifically stated he'd had new holes drilled and the old ones welded over.

I'm definitely leaning towards the ACE stock, or the all-metal one made by CNC Warrior (I think it would make for better balance) as the easiest to install. Drill and tap two holes and it's done.

Now, I'm just trying to find something a little smaller diameter than the fake cans... maybe a barrel extension with a muzzle brake welded on to make 5+ inches.

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