<quoted text>Yes, I will continue to stomp my feet until I get what I want.When Proposition 8 passed in CA, over 10,000 people raced to San Francisco's City Hall so that we could stomp our feet in unison. We continued to stomp our feet and challenged the new policy legally and politically until it came before Judge Walker. He and the three person appellate court ruled that the proposition was--say it with me "UNCONSTITUTIONAL"!Do you have some kind of keen insight that these people and all of their associates do not have?My guess is that you're just another schlub with anger issues.You get on here and try to pick fights. I'm not interested.I state my case and my beliefs.If you don't want to respond to them, I am happy to be ignored by the likes of you.If you want to feel superior, then by all means do so.This is a forum where ideas and beliefs are discussed.If you want to run it like it's your own personal playpen, I've got news for you; it's not going to happen.Go create your own topic. I'm sure you'll find all sorts of people who would LOVE to get into these procedural arguments with you.Until you don the black dress and bang a gavel in a real courtroom, your opinion is worth about as much as mine.

Well, time for breakfast. I think this morning I'll have the VV meltdown special.

<quoted text>#1 you may think you are a duplicate of every other man, but you are no duplicate of me that is for sure, I actually use my brain#2 procreation in either intent or ability has never ever been a requirement for a marriage lincencedo you have any other points you need squashed so easily?

When your crazy and have been brain-washed by a religion for hundreds of years this is what you get, an oppressed female being told by her slave master's to lie, cheat and steal for Allah.

The mother of the Boston Marathon bombing suspects insisted (screamed) that her sons are not responsible for the attack and said she did not see any aggression in the older brother, even when the FBI questioned him two years ago.

<quoted text>It would be an excercise in futility to debate the Constitutionality of something woth someone who self admittedly is ignorant of the subject matter.What do you base your opinion on?

I base my opinion on logic.

Heterosexual couples are legally allowed to marry. They make whatever promises to one another in front of groups of people or only to one another. This is a "ceremony"; an act that in the eyes of the law means nothing.

Homosexual couples can do the same thing. We have "commitment ceremonies" or other public/private exchanges of promises. They also, legally, mean nothing.

Heterosexual couples have the extra benefits and protections of legal marriage. These benefits and protections allow them to do any number of things--take FMLA, receive spousal Medicare or Social Security benefits, obtain base housing in the military, inheritance protection; the list goes on.

Gay couples pay into the same systems that straight couples pay into. They get the benefits, we do not.

Even straight couples who enter into "sham marriages" are able to get these benefits.

Every accepted scientific, medical, and legal collective,(ABA, AMA, APA, NASW, etc.) is in support of same-sex marriage. They all recognize that same-sex partnerships, at their foundation, are equal to opposite-sex partnerships.

There is NO REASON why same-sex couples should be denied the exact same benefits and protections that legally married heterosexual couples have.

<quoted text>That is up to the Supreme Court and has been since 1803 :)The funny part is it is the opponents of Same Sex marriage the pushed the issue to the supreme courts, as all courts that have reviewed the case below them have already ruled that Prop 8 should fall.The unequal treatment of same sex couples will endOnly 2 ways to do thatNullify the 18,000 legally married same sex couples that now already exist and are recognized in California ( not going to happen, can you imagine the lawsuits if they did that )Or uphold the overturn of Prop 8 as the lower courts have already done, making all same sex couples equal in the state of CaliforniaYour opponents are expecting the latter... and they should, it is the obvious solution to the issue.

Thanks, it always surprises me that folks dont understand the actual equal rights issue, It isnt the recognitiion of same sex marrage, California already does, It recognizes same sex marrages preformed in other states and it recognizes 18,000 same sex marrages that have already occurred in the state of Califronia.

A large part of the equal rights issue has to do with why some same sex couples are being treated differently than other same sex couples, depending on when they got married.

Recognition of same sex marrage is not even on the agenda that is already a fact both before and after Prop 8. There are 18,000 in California, there are over 120,000 nationwide.

After DOMA section 3 falls ( just about everyone agrees that will fall ) you can add federal recognition of same sex marrage.

Recognition of same sex marrage isnt the issue, it already is recognized, the issue is equal treatment, now both sides are trying to streach the issue, those supporting prop 8 want to extend the issue to recognition issues, and those opposed to prop 8 want to extend the issue to states other than california.

But the actual issue ( which is the only thing I expect them to actualy rule on ) is simpler. It is the issue that same sex marrage alrady exists in California, but new same sex couples dont have the same rights.

We already know which way that will rule

They may chicken out just toss the issue back to the state, but that is the same as overturning it, which the state judicial systme has alrady done and upheld by the highest corut in the state.

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