The one and only free public forum for Bohras. The focus of this forum is the reform movement, the Dawoodi Bohra faith and, of course, the corrupt priesthood. But the discussion is in no way restricted to the Bohras alone.

We were born in a community called the Dawoodi Bohras and love it. In the last century, this community has been usurped by a family and made into a slave of the head of that family. It is now, no longer a community of people joined by commonality of language, culture or values. It is now defined by accepting slavery and has become a club of dues paying members, with members having no say in the matters.

We the Bohras for Change, would like to reclaim our community and heritage. We think that the community is not the private property of any individual or family. It is a collective of like minded individuals who come together in peace. Everybody contributes voluntarily for the benefit of the common good. We rejoice in our good days and support each other in our bad days. Our religious beliefs are our individual matter and we shall not impose it on others.

Our first and primary objective is to provide support and a safety net for all those individuals, who would like to emancipate themselves by coming out of the slavery and make them feel that they do not struggle alone.

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So all you folks out there who share the common plight, are invited to join this movement through our FB page/group for which link is posted below.

It is a reflection on the kind of control that the Kothar wants to wield on the lives of the hapless ABDES. Not being satisfied with the interference in the lives of the community right from the time a child is born, ( he/she has to have a name approved by the clergy) to his death.

Even a source of joy and happiness like marriage is sought to be regulated by issue of a new fatwa which dictates what type of a menu should be offered during the marriage reception. There is no option offered to them and they have to toe the line and only provide a very restricted menu, and the ABDES as they always do, have capitulated, this is just one more way to subjugate and assert their control over us, the question is are we so spineless that we follow them in their every fatwa?
You’re Not Alone!

The present situation in our community has led to introspection and disillusionment about our faith. It has been replaced by blatant extortion. It is no longer about deen, but is a money game. Anything goes if money exchanges hands.

If you feel helpless and don’t know how to escape from the vicious grip, it is part of a systematic effort of the powers that be.

But, “YOU ARE NOT ALONE”. There are many like you. We just need to organise.

The process has started. In the meantime let us understand that no Messiah is coming to your rescue. You have to grow a spine and assert yourself. You can take control of your own life without damaging your situation. Start off by not following all the dictates blindly.

These are some of the things that you can do:

1. Stop asking for Raza for every small thing.

2. Don’t do arzi for names of your children.

3. Trim your wild beard. Take pride in your appearance.

4. You don’t have to wear Rida / Topi everywhere. Use your discretion.

5. Pay absolutely the minimum that you can get away with. Spend the money on your dear ones.

There are many such small things you can do.

Big changes have always started with small incremental steps. These small steps now will ensure that we can take giant strides in the near future to bring about a transformation in our community.

Remember, ” YOU ARE NOT ALONE “.

ABDE’s Think They Are Smart!

Abdes think they are smart and can negotiate anything and get a bargain, right?

Wrong…

To know how gullible they are, look at “Wajebaat”. The only Wajebaat in Quran is Zakaat and is restricted to 2.5% of the income. According to Islam, this is to be paid directly as charity, to poor and indigent.

Look how Bohras are extorted. There is a long list of Arabic words, collectively called Wajebaat, taxing everything and everybody, from an unborn child to dead ancestors. The amounts range from 10% to 30% or more of the family income.

Nowadays, the Mafia will ask for any amount that comes to their mind, literally the moon! Then the ” smart” Bohras will negotiate and manage to reduce it.

They will then brag about this among their relatives and friends.

Let’s put things in perspective.

What do they pay?

1. Any amount they pay is more than zero. It is much much more than the mandatory 2.5%. Still they land up paying. They even take loans to pay!

2. They crawl on their knees to pay the money. So, apart from money they pay with their dignity.

3. They will swallow any insult, threat and indignity heaped on them.

Very Smart isn’t it ?

May be it’s time for a change with Bohras for Change!

Why is extortion rising in the Bohra Community?

In 1965 when the 51st Dai expired, there were said to be 10 lakh Bohras. Since then the World’s population has grown by 2.5 times. So, by natural growth, the Bohras should have been 25 lakh. But presently there are only 6 lakh card holding Bohras today. Where have the 19 lakh Bohras gone? Drifted away, considering the state of the community. The population of the community has been reduced to 25% of what it should have been. This has happened in the last 50 years. This means that the Bohra community has a half life of 25 years.

On the other hand the family of the Dai, which was less than 100, considering the sons and daughters of the 51st Dai and called Qasre Aali has grown by leaps and bounds. They don’t have to work to earn, so can afford to breed like rabbits.

This so called ‘Royal’ family, the Qasre Aali now numbers more than 2500. Of this the inner circle, the Baite Zaini, number a few hundreds.

So the host population is decreasing and the parasite population is increasing. No wonder they have to think of new schemes of extorting money.

How long do you think this is sustainable?

Money is their lifeline and who controls the source? WE, the common Bohras!

I am a first time poster but a long-time reader of this forum. I am an educated woman from a small town in India and I recently made my first visit to Darius Sakina. With all due respect, that community embodies the change I am seeking.
Being a Bohra is so much more than eating DCP and having a feast on Pehli Raat. Bohraism is the intellectual pursuit of religion, it is a sense of brotherhood and sisterhood and it is the drawing of succor from our religious traditions. Respect for the clergy is essential for all these facets. I visited Thane because I felt that I could find clergy there I could respect. I was not disappointed.
Your manifesto proposes an adversarial relationship with the clergy. As a result, I feel that within your group, it may not be possible to be the kind of Bohra that is educated about our philosophies and traditions. Also, while your manifesto has many interesting numbers, it has one glaring factual inaccuracy - Baite Zaini are not the inner circle, quite the contrary. They are descendants of Syedna Tayyeb Zainuddin and the period for which they have been promised privilege will soon come to an end. Perhaps not an earth-shattering omission but not one that inspires confidence in the author either!

Perhaps they are proposing an adversarial relationship with the clergy because they do not know it is possible to have a harmonious relationship. Which is actually quite true if you only know MS and his army of deplorables. This group still seems to be living under the yoke of fear as they are hiding behind the cloak of anonymity. Hard to be inspired by tentativeness!

Also, most of the change they are seeking already exists in Fatemi Dawat...if they could only get over their fear of social boycott and let go off their pride....and anger....

Can any one tell us
1. why the dai family is ‘royal’, i.e. why there are shahzadas and shahzadis (princes and princesses); why are all addressed as sahebs?
2. Why do we have to do sajda to them?
3. Why is daiship hereditary?
4. Why are all Bohra syednas addressed as His Holiness? Is this title self-assumed or has it been endowed by some government authority to all bohra syednas?

It seems this human worship is prevalent only in Bohras- I have not seen any other shia or sunni faction treat their priests and/or ayatollahs in any way other than as ordinary human beings.

I am a first time poster but a long-time reader of this forum. I am an educated woman from a small town in India and I recently made my first visit to Darius Sakina. With all due respect, that community embodies the change I am seeking.
Being a Bohra is so much more than eating DCP and having a feast on Pehli Raat. Bohraism is the intellectual pursuit of religion, it is a sense of brotherhood and sisterhood and it is the drawing of succor from our religious traditions. Respect for the clergy is essential for all these facets. I visited Thane because I felt that I could find clergy there I could respect. I was not disappointed.
Your manifesto proposes an adversarial relationship with the clergy. As a result, I feel that within your group, it may not be possible to be the kind of Bohra that is educated about our philosophies and traditions. Also, while your manifesto has many interesting numbers, it has one glaring factual inaccuracy - Baite Zaini are not the inner circle, quite the contrary. They are descendants of Syedna Tayyeb Zainuddin and the period for which they have been promised privilege will soon come to an end. Perhaps not an earth-shattering omission but not one that inspires confidence in the author either!

The Qutbis are it again -spinning a web of lies. So desperate to get people to visit Darus Saqifa that that they are inventing stories of an educated woman from small town in India visiting this god forsaken place. RashidaL is definitely not from a small town in India, she is from across the ocean - probably from New Jersey, probably she is Munira Hamza. Read the message again and tell me if this is how someone would write if they were from a small town in India. She posted as Rashida L and waited for exactly 29 minutes to write again as Munira Hamza aka Crater Lake

I am a first time poster but a long-time reader of this forum. I am an educated woman from a small town in India and I recently made my first visit to Darius Sakina. With all due respect, that community embodies the change I am seeking.
Being a Bohra is so much more than eating DCP and having a feast on Pehli Raat. Bohraism is the intellectual pursuit of religion, it is a sense of brotherhood and sisterhood and it is the drawing of succor from our religious traditions. Respect for the clergy is essential for all these facets. I visited Thane because I felt that I could find clergy there I could respect. I was not disappointed.
Your manifesto proposes an adversarial relationship with the clergy. As a result, I feel that within your group, it may not be possible to be the kind of Bohra that is educated about our philosophies and traditions. Also, while your manifesto has many interesting numbers, it has one glaring factual inaccuracy - Baite Zaini are not the inner circle, quite the contrary. They are descendants of Syedna Tayyeb Zainuddin and the period for which they have been promised privilege will soon come to an end. Perhaps not an earth-shattering omission but not one that inspires confidence in the author either!

The Qutbis are it again -spinning a web of lies. So desperate to get people to visit Darus Saqifa that that they are inventing stories of an educated woman from small town in India visiting this god forsaken place. RashidaL is definitely not from a small town in India, she is from across the ocean - probably from New Jersey, probably she is Munira Hamza. Read the message again and tell me if this is how someone would write if they were from a small town in India. She posted as Rashida L and waited for exactly 29 minutes to write again as Munira Hamza aka Crater Lake

Wrong on both counts. You guys are so desperate to blame all your inadequacies on us that you will make all kinds of wild speculations...
Your opinion about educated women from India and their writing is quite revealing.
Also, nothing far-fetched about new people visiting Thane...Happens every single day.

I am a first time poster but a long-time reader of this forum. I am an educated woman from a small town in India and I recently made my first visit to Darius Sakina. With all due respect, that community embodies the change I am seeking.
Being a Bohra is so much more than eating DCP and having a feast on Pehli Raat. Bohraism is the intellectual pursuit of religion, it is a sense of brotherhood and sisterhood and it is the drawing of succor from our religious traditions. Respect for the clergy is essential for all these facets. I visited Thane because I felt that I could find clergy there I could respect. I was not disappointed.
Your manifesto proposes an adversarial relationship with the clergy. As a result, I feel that within your group, it may not be possible to be the kind of Bohra that is educated about our philosophies and traditions. Also, while your manifesto has many interesting numbers, it has one glaring factual inaccuracy - Baite Zaini are not the inner circle, quite the contrary. They are descendants of Syedna Tayyeb Zainuddin and the period for which they have been promised privilege will soon come to an end. Perhaps not an earth-shattering omission but not one that inspires confidence in the author either!

The Qutbis are it again -spinning a web of lies. So desperate to get people to visit Darus Saqifa that that they are inventing stories of an educated woman from small town in India visiting this god forsaken place. RashidaL is definitely not from a small town in India, she is from across the ocean - probably from New Jersey, probably she is Munira Hamza. Read the message again and tell me if this is how someone would write if they were from a small town in India. She posted as Rashida L and waited for exactly 29 minutes to write again as Munira Hamza aka Crater Lake

Does the MS administration have minions engaged in trying to identify the members of this forum? That is kinda pathetic.....

Succor is an American spelling
Succour is a British / Indian spelling.

I rest my case

Tighten a few more. The level is waaay offf. I am an SAT/GRE coach. I use American spelling and idioms almost exclusively. You also seem to be in some time warp because you don’t seem to have noticed that the queen’s English no longer dominates. You are a foolish man jumping to conclusions based on little information. Just like the clergy type in the Muffy Duniya. No wonder people are looking elsewhere.

I am a first time poster but a long-time reader of this forum. I am an educated woman from a small town in India and I recently made my first visit to Darius Sakina. With all due respect, that community embodies the change I am seeking.
Being a Bohra is so much more than eating DCP and having a feast on Pehli Raat. Bohraism is the intellectual pursuit of religion, it is a sense of brotherhood and sisterhood and it is the drawing of succor from our religious traditions. Respect for the clergy is essential for all these facets. I visited Thane because I felt that I could find clergy there I could respect. I was not disappointed.
Your manifesto proposes an adversarial relationship with the clergy. As a result, I feel that within your group, it may not be possible to be the kind of Bohra that is educated about our philosophies and traditions. Also, while your manifesto has many interesting numbers, it has one glaring factual inaccuracy - Baite Zaini are not the inner circle, quite the contrary. They are descendants of Syedna Tayyeb Zainuddin and the period for which they have been promised privilege will soon come to an end. Perhaps not an earth-shattering omission but not one that inspires confidence in the author either!

On a note related to your first post, can you please elaborate what you mean by the statement highlighted in bold?

Mr Level Headed is faaaaaar from being levelheaded and Mr Momeenbhai is no momeen as no true momeen would talk, write or speak about any fellow human being and a fellow momeen at that the way he does. DISGRACEFUL!!! UTTERLY DISGRACEFUL!!!

Mr Level Headed is faaaaaar from being levelheaded and Mr Momeenbhai is no momeen as no true momeen would talk, write or speak about any fellow human being and a fellow momeen at that the way he does. DISGRACEFUL!!! UTTERLY DISGRACEFUL!!!

taste the medicine

talk against shariya and I will be worst night mare for you and your kind.

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Momeenbhai shame on you. You are a blot on the human race. You have so much hatred for one individual? I doubt she is even aware you exist. You are probably a Facebook friend of hers under a false account. How creepy is that?

Momeenbhai shame on you. You are a blot on the human race. You have so much hatred for one individual? I doubt she is even aware you exist. You are probably a Facebook friend of hers under a false account. How creepy is that?

no shame is on you for lying. any ways since bigot like you have noticed it, Admin can delete the pics.

Who made momeenbhai Rida police? If I were to post the ridaless pics of MS followers 4000 pages would not be enough! Admin please remove his posts and throw him and his mentally deranged friend (level_headed) off this fourum. Surely his posts violate people’s privacy and break the rules of this forum.

MunchinBhai (pun intended) seems to be a wahaabi..
In any case let's keep the noise makers like him and level_headed out of the intellectual radar of this forum.
Our main purpose should be to show the farce and blasphemous DMBS and his gang(QJ etc) in his true light "the claimant and usurper of dawat (that he is)"
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I saw that there were pictures posted of an individual and completely irrelevant statements made about her (about her looks, which is entirely irrelevant to the discussions here, apart from being vile and sick statements) and her family. I see that you deleted those pictures and those posts from momimeenbhai.

My request is that the pictures be deleted but that the post (without the pictures) be kept here (and locked) so that it is there for the record as to how sick and disgusting statements are made about those who follow SKQ and STF. And I saw the posts as a way to threaten them - So please keep the posts, for the people should know about it.

I am intrigued. The Qur'an and 2 prophets , Issa SAW and Muhammad SAW , came with a message to free mankind from human servitude and worship am unseen non material Creator. Bohras somehow have taken a big u turn .

If we refer to Islam then is it not obvious Mufaddal or any royalty is not required to the level they the lords expect.

Is the issue rather Bohras want access to a society that eats and speaks like them at present someone calling himself Diai owns those facilities. The opponent does not have facilities to attract congregation.

I don't think people will leave what they have got used to for a faction that is so light.

If people looked over the street there are thousands of Islamic flavours. Join them. Leave this lot they are on trajectory of extinction. In 50 yrs there will probably only 200,000 abdes remaining with FGM amte. Completely brainwashed praying towards Diai and remotely Muslim.

I leave happy many mothers have a choice and girls can be safe from molesters. Those who want to do it regardless. They too can no they are being silly and a very unpopular and un neccasary ritual. Bas itna Kafi tha

Second benefit bloody Muffy is banned from US and Australia. Kya izat or respect will he get. Bas Allah usko lambi umar ape.so 54th his son does not come . Persona non grata.