This offseason will determine it I think. With Miami having a ton of key FAs and cap space and Cleveland's owner could potentially blow things up. Those decisions will play a huge factor in the success of these two teams. If they stay par for the course, I like Cleveland's overall current talent base better. Miami's best players on defense are already 30 and over, save for Reshad Jones, and Cleveland's skill position players have much high potential IMO.

the more I've thought about this, the more I think I mis-voted the first time. I would much rather have Tannehill than Weeden, but overall Cleveland has drafted a better core of players in the last couple of years. I think people are right that the Browns might only be another year of development and a legitimate pass rush away from being a serious contender. Except for Weeden, they seem like a really young team with some serious talent at the skill positions. Could use another target for Weeden, too - if they can come out of the next draft with someone like Tavon Austin or Denard Robinson, or maybe go back to the Baylor well and grab Terrance Williams in the second, they'll have the personnel to attack defenses really aggressively. I imagine Austin or Robinson would both be fantastic replacements for Josh Cribbs, who I like but feel like he's not what he was a few years ago... but thinks he is, and that's generally not a good thing.

I went with Cleveland. I live in Ohio and for ***** sake I hope they stay headed in the right direction as an organization because I have to watch them every Sunday... and this year has been much easier than years past. Watching the careers of Richardson, Gordon, Thomas, and Haden is actually something I can be a little excited about. Please don't make me go back to watching the garbage I've had to sit through for all these years. I have hope in this young Browns squad. The future looks bright, don't **** it up...

I like how the poll started pretty heavily in the Dolphins favor and has since swung all the way into a Browns lead as the thread progressed. I wonder if the game will be like that? Someone will have to remember to bump this thread.

Really surprised this is even close. Tannenhill's not just younger but better, like by a lot. Weeden hasn't been Gabbert-bad this year and that is impressive given where expectations where, but I'm still taking RT over him 10 times out of ten, especially in two years time.

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Is Shaun Hill a top 10 QB? Definitely not. Is he a top 20 one? Almost certainly.

I voted for the Browns. I think they have a lot to like for a new GM and coach coming in...the scenario is similar to what Jim Harbaugh came into in San Francisco: they have a strong core of players, a talented but undeveloped/questionable situation at quarterback, and a huge lack of direction. They have a great young RB. They have more talent in the trenches than most teams that regularly draft in the top 10. If they can bring in a strong front office man who can recognize the key pieces that are missing, and a coach that can take what they have and mold it together with strong leadership, organization, and a win-now attitude, then I think they have a strong foundation of talent to work with.

Miami, on the other hand...and I admit that I don't know the Dolphins as well as I know the Browns...but they have an owner that very much resembles the old Dan Snyder, and I think they will continue to have problems until he gets out of his own way.

Really surprised this is even close. Tannenhill's not just younger but better, like by a lot. Weeden hasn't been Gabbert-bad this year and that is impressive given where expectations where, but I'm still taking RT over him 10 times out of ten, especially in two years time.

I don't think many who are voting for the Browns are doing so because they view Weeden as the superior passer.

I don't think many who are voting for the Browns are doing so because they view Weeden as the superior passer.

Right - the knee-jerk reaction is, "Oh, Tannehill's going to be waaay better than Weeden by then," but can you imagine how scary that team would be with Tannehill at quarterback? The Browns have some genuinely exciting young players, and I don't think you can really say that about Miami, outside of Tannehill.

Tannehill vs Weedon will tell which team has the better future. IMO, Weedon, will be done at 35 as a franchise QB leaving only a small window of opportunity for success, after which Cleveland will be back looking for a QB in the draft. Just at that moment, Tannehill could be just coming into his prime years with another 8-10 years of excellence, so my money in the very short time would be on Cleveland but if you are talking about the next decade, Miami will leave Cleveland in its dust.

Right - the knee-jerk reaction is, "Oh, Tannehill's going to be waaay better than Weeden by then," but can you imagine how scary that team would be with Tannehill at quarterback? The Browns have some genuinely exciting young players, and I don't think you can really say that about Miami, outside of Tannehill.

Yeah but qb is the ultimate equalizer. Finding skill position players is easy when you have a qb to throw to them. Generally when teams are close the way these 2 are, you go with the better qb.

Yeah but qb is the ultimate equalizer. Finding skill position players is easy when you have a qb to throw to them. Generally when teams are close the way these 2 are, you go with the better qb.

To an extent, but it's not like Tannehill has been like Luck out there. He hasn't been miles better than Weeden, and that Browns young core looks damn good. Skill position talents like Gordon and Richardson aren't a dime a dozen either.

Trent is good and Gordon's been a nice find, but it's not like they've got great weapons. If Miami gets Bowe with the solid receivers and RBs they already have, their weapons are more than good enough for a franchise QB to do work with. And I do think Tannehill is a franchise QB in the making, that's huge, way bigger than the Browns' advantage on defense, which is legit when Haden's back there playing better than any other corner in the NFL.

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What trash are you talking about? Maybe Weened? But everyone else is under 25 years old and Mack and Thoams are top 5 at their spots.

The new regime always finds tons of players to replace. It happens every time a new regime comes in.

There are a few things that are given when a new regime comes into power: The QB will be changed (or at least in a heavy competition) and some of the previous leaders under the previous regime will be traded (or cut).

The new regime always finds tons of players to replace. It happens every time a new regime comes in.

There are a few things that are given when a new regime comes into power: The QB will be changed (or at least in a heavy competition) and some of the previous leaders under the previous regime will be traded (or cut).

I just don't see that as any reason the Browns should be worse. It seems like you're just saying you expect Weeden to have to fight for his job.

I just don't see that as any reason the Browns should be worse. It seems like you're just saying you expect Weeden to have to fight for his job.

It won't just be Weeden. Anyone who was a leader on the previous team (Joe Thomas?) will be candidates to leave. It really depends on their contract situations and whatnot. Dqwell Jackson is a prime example of player who could be sent packing. Josh Cribbs? I don't know Cleveland's roster that well. I just am saying that it's typical to see new regimes want to get rid of the old regime's players and invest into their own.

Just go back and look at what happened with the Jets after Mangini was fired. Or Denver after Shanahan. Or any of the other major regime changes.