A terror plot thwarted by law enforcement? No torture? No bombs? Get out..

Easy there garage. We haven't heard the alleged Muslim's side of the story yet.

I'm sure you can hold out some hope for police brutality or some racial profiling that took place. Maybe one of the cops was a Jew (hey it is NYC) and they can claim cultural insensitivity because he didn't wear gloves when apprehended.

Garage makes an excellent point about trying these Muslim terrorists and getting convictions. This will show the Islamic world that we follow the rule of law and will admire and respect us just like they did after we captured, tried and convicted Ramzi Yousef after he tried bringing down the WTC in 1993.

Lo and behold, the religion of Peace (At peace once they have enslaved you)has been issued orders from their False Prophet to kill first the Jews, and next the Christ-ian sect of Judaism, who are always the real target. These young Jihadists are just following their prophet's orders and are willing to die for the Moon God represented by the idol Allah which lives in its stone shack in Medina, Saudi Arabia. Now if we can only explain it to them that we are peaceful scholars who respect their customs there will be no more war.

This are not "enemy combatants" captured in a theater of operations. .

Give it up. The problem with garage and most liberals is that that can't accept the concept of terrorists being captured on an overseas battlefield in combat conditions versus a joint FBI/NYPD surveillence operation in an American city.

I'm sure the usual suspects here think we can do the same thing in Afghanistan by having a couple of plainclothes Marines sitting in an unmarked camel outside a cave with those special listening devices after we've gotten a warrant from the local mufti.

The quote Althouse provided comes from a Jewish Assemblyman, who states that the attack was All About the Jews. Not surprisingly, the victimhood claim comes right out.

However, the FBI states that the Ringleader was mainly motivated by hatred of America for invading Afghanistan and bombing Pakistan. And striking back at America for it meant "the Jews who urged war" were a good target in NYC, since the 9/11 attack by enemy combatants took out the "best target", the WTC.But they also planned on hitting a plane full of troops going off to Iraq or Afghanistan with a (faux, it seems) Stinger missile.

As for the Muslim hatred against Israel and the ongoing spread of colonization Settlements, and the US for being Israel's accomplice in this - 189 of 191 countries see it closer to how the Jihadis see it than the Zionists. The Palestinians got screwed and are still getting screwed. They just differ on methods of fixing this. Most favor a 2-state solution, and all but the terror groups in the Muslim world, have goals outside complete rejection of Israel. Most do not even want the Right of Return..for Palestinians (or Jews), as policy. Just restitution, prorated for what Jews kicked out of Muslim countries involuntarily lost.

For the US, it is always in our vital interest to see what causes of animosity and basis for combat against America exist, and to do our part to see if there are root causes of such enemity we can remove. Our citizens lives and critical economic and moral interests of our citizens hang in the balance. 8 years of carte blanche for agreeing to whatever Israel wants are coming to an end.

Hey C-4, you should thank Israel and "the Jews" for doing lighting rod duty, so you don't have to. Since the Muzzies always seem to be aggrieved about something, and since they liked preying on Americans before Israel was a gleam in Chaim Herzog's eye, you can just say "thank you" now.

Just a thought: the Cold war was fought using proxies so that the Super power nation states would not end up looking like 1945 Dresden and Berlin, Germany, much less Hiroshima, japan. The next exchange will be Hiroshima size U-235 Bombs between mid-east proxies. Do we need to hold the Chinese/N. Koreans responsible for the Missle and Nuke technology they have fournished to Iran? If so, how do we do that since the industrial might of America is now located in China?

The causes of poverty are well understood and documented scientifically and have been for at least two generations. The best predictor of poverty is having no dad in the home, the next is a mom with children from several different men, the next is the age of the mom at the time of her first child, the next is drug addiction.

What is Bissage to do about these proven predictors of poverty?

Aside from not knocking up women he is not married to?

Ben Franklin, a wise man indeed, said that the kindest thing anyone can do for poor people is to help them feel uncomfortable in their poverty. He went on to say that the countries that are kindest to their poor have the most of them.

Now we are not talking about the infirm who need and deserve our help and assistance. But what precentage of the people on government assistance are infirm and disabled? In my office, I would say less than 30%, and I am being generous.

The rest are addicted to OPM given out by well meaning but clueless people. They think they are angels, but they are inadvertant drug dealers.

These are the sorts of topics that I love because they cause the curious vacuum-tubes and relays and crossed wires inside Cedarford's head to short circuit, spark and pop in an entirely amusing way. The computational gymnastics necessary to blame the Jews for an anti-Jewish terror plot perpetrated by a group of Muslim convert convicts is just too much for the old boy's antiquated circuitry. That he even makes the effort is sort of touching.

Our support of Israel and it's spreading colonies and it's long oppressive Occupation of Gaza and the West Bank - is termed a main motivator of Muslim hostility to the USA.

If I am "anti-Semitic" for speaking the obvious, so are 189 of 191 nations.

And in this case, I wasn't "blaming the Jews" I was pointing out that the Fucking FBI said the main motivator was not Israel and The Jews, for a change, but the Ringleaders anger that we were in Afghanistan and Pakistan killing people.

And attitudes like Elcubanito's do more than most history books in explaining why for 3,000 years Jews were eventually tossed from just about every nation they were initially welcomed into.

I do think the United States is too pro-Israel. That's not good for world peace, and its not good for Israel. We need to be more balanced in our approach, even if we think Israel is in the right (which I happen to believe).

And attitudes like Elcubanito's do more than most history books in explaining why for 3,000 years Jews were eventually tossed from just about every nation they were initially welcomed into. - Cedarford

We need to be more balanced in our approach, even if we think Israel is in the right (which I happen to believe)..

Well DTL we actually did have a balanced approach when Clinton was in office. He had Arafat over in the White House quite a few times and got him and the Israelis together and hammered out a pretty good deal giving the Palestinians about 85% of thier demands and Arafat told them to go fuck themselves and launched the 2nd Intifada.

Therefore it's difficult to have a balanced approach when the other side if led by a bunch of 11th century maniacs.

Many years ago I read the Autobiography of Malcolm X and, as I recall, his initial contact and conversion in prision was with The Nation of Islam, but the ultimate appeal for him was what he saw as the universality of Islam, its brotherhood aspect, lack of discrimination and intolerance.

Many years ago I read the Autobiography of Malcolm X and, as I recall, his initial contact and conversion in prision was with The Nation of Islam, but the ultimate appeal for him was what he saw as the universality of Islam, its brotherhood aspect, lack of discrimination and intolerance.

12:13 PM.

Maybe in the American way of Islam as founded by someone from South Asia. Middle Eastern and North African Islam is much different in that respect. As always, I invite people to read Arabic literature from those parts, including Turkey.

Hoosier Daddy: Therefore it's difficult to have a balanced approach when the other side if led by a bunch of 11th century maniacs.11th? The Muslim world should be so lucky. The Wahabbist nuthatches are shooting for the 8th—the last time the Caliphate was intact. Remember, one of Bin Laden's gripes is that he really, really wants Al-Andalusia back.

DTL - I generally like and respect gays. I think that they should have equal civil rights in "civil sectors" of society - but lack the right to force private individuals and associations to accept them and their respective individual lifestyles.I like to call Palladian a salami-smoker because he can be insufferably smug. A reminder that he still likes being in a position as an authority figure to younger males, in part because he is attracted to them and likes having power...Closet pederast. Yo've called him "closet______" on several counts, and you might even be right on a few.