That franchise quote belongs to another team in another era that dominated, as your franchise was largerly an after thought. You’ve created your own legacy with no need for such sayings.

You’re better than that.

RAIDER NATION!

]]>By: tatum064http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/16/bill-belichick-shoots-down-questions-about-his-coaching-legacy/#comment-2268804
Thu, 17 Jan 2013 04:29:27 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1645544#comment-2268804patsfan3175 says:
Jan 16, 2013 12:25 PM
AGAIN, what Belichick was doing was LEGAL until the NFL sent out a memo prior to the 2006 season saying that teams can no longer video tape other teams’ signals. Other coaches such as Jimmy Johnson and Bill Cowher have came out and said they were doing the same thing back in the day. The fact is that most coaches were doing it. What Belichick did wrong was continue to tape signals during the 2006 season and week 1 of 2007, but the Pats’ 3 rings were NOT tarnished. I don’t understand why it’s so difficult for Patriot haters to comprehend this…

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uh, Pats fan, its the fact that you didnt win a ring following the revelation of taping.

ever since that incident you havent one won, and there will always be skeptics, not haters. Haters would be wasted on a franchise such as yours, as it is a franchise to be acknowledged and respected. But understand, if you are associated with cheating in any way, it will linger.

That being said, Good luck v. the Ravens, you guys are due.

And this is coming from Raider Fan.

]]>By: pypersrealmhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/16/bill-belichick-shoots-down-questions-about-his-coaching-legacy/#comment-2268770
Thu, 17 Jan 2013 04:10:03 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1645544#comment-2268770It’s hilarious how misinformed some people are about spygate and how that misinformation spreads to otherwise innocent observers.

I live in NY and most of the people I hear talking about spygate erroneously think the Patriots were punished for filming opposing team’s practices.

They also falsely believe the contents of the tapes were never shown to the public.

The truth is simply that people don’t understand what the Patriots were accused of or how they used the tapes.

The media contributed to this by spending hours and hours speculating on how the footage was used and jumping the gun with sensationalistic headlines like “Cheater”.

The Patriots were guilty of and penalized for violating a rule. That in and of itself doesn’t make them cheaters. Whether they cheated depends on how that footage was used. If they used it to decipher opposing teams signals in the same game the footage was taken, then I would agree….They are cheaters.

But this is not the case. That is not how the footage was used, nor is it even logistically possible to use it that way.

The Patriots used the footage in an attempt to decipher the audible tendencies of opposing defensive coordinators. They kept detailed files on every defensive coordinator in the league to figure out how they might respond to specific situations. Spygate was nothing more than extremely advanced scouting.

Opposing fans will believe what they want to believe, facts be damned. Their views are largely irrelevant. All Belichick does is win. His winning percentage is actually better after spygate than it was before and after spending 2008-2010 rebuilding the team on the fly, he once again has a team on his hands capable of winning multiple championships.

The question I have is when the Patriots win 3 or more Super Bowls over the next five years or so, will that be considered a “new” Patriots dynasty or simply a continuation of the last one? Anybody have any thoughts on that.

I hate the Patriots, but I respect him. He is a great coach. He gets it done with whatever players he is given. The year he did not have Brady he went 11-5.

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One thing wrong…they didn’t make the playoffs!!!

]]>By: tbd3http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/16/bill-belichick-shoots-down-questions-about-his-coaching-legacy/#comment-2267366
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 20:18:39 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1645544#comment-2267366Belichick will have no problem getting into the Hall of Fame. Those who know the game have moved past “SpyGate.” It is only opposing fans that continue to harp on it.
]]>By: richwizlhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/16/bill-belichick-shoots-down-questions-about-his-coaching-legacy/#comment-2267352
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 20:15:28 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1645544#comment-2267352He’s much better than Bill Parcels, that’s all I know. Bob Kraft, Bill Bilichick and Tom Brady have created a culture of winning in NE, and it has been impressive. Brady already looked like Joe Cool when he lead his team from down two TD’s in the 3rd vs Alabama in the Orange Bowl, to a one point victory. Coach was smart enough to recognize his intelligence and coolness under fire, to replace Bledsoe. The rest is history.
]]>By: flash1283http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/16/bill-belichick-shoots-down-questions-about-his-coaching-legacy/#comment-2267348
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 20:13:48 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1645544#comment-2267348bcgreg says: Jan 16, 2013 2:08 PM

@jacksonvillejags4life

I guess Bill Walsh was a terrible coach. He only had Montana.

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8-24 without Montana

]]>By: endzonehttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/16/bill-belichick-shoots-down-questions-about-his-coaching-legacy/#comment-2267280
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 19:50:51 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1645544#comment-2267280I am a Redskins fan, but also a fan of great NFL football, so I like lots of teams and specific players and coaches. I like BB, Tom Brady and I love the Gronk. But one of the biggest reasons I like BB is his press conferences, which I find hilarious. He does pissed-about-whatever better than anyone. Win, Lose, Legacy: All the same Pain in his arse if it’s asked him by the media. I note that his smile is when one corner of his upper lip slightly twitches up. They need to make a commercial out of his press conferences. Hollyweird could not script a funnier old grump. I look forward to this legacy one tonight on NFL network.
]]>By: hockeyflow33http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/16/bill-belichick-shoots-down-questions-about-his-coaching-legacy/#comment-2267240
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 19:42:11 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1645544#comment-2267240If you haven’t watched a Belichick press conference before, you’re missing out on pure awesomeness.

His best ones are after cold, wet games where he just snorts right into the mic. I love the disdain he has for the pompous, narcissistic sports reporters.

]]>By: sjheskethhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/16/bill-belichick-shoots-down-questions-about-his-coaching-legacy/#comment-2267233
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 19:40:30 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1645544#comment-2267233Then the other two- the patriots were underdogs, fairly unimpressive teams but they surprisingly pulled out victories. Then we find out they were filming the other teams. Everything made sense.

They went a combined 34-4 in 2003-2004 and were favored in both SBs over Carolina and Philly. They won 21 games in a row in that span. In 2004 they beat the living hell out of Peyton’s Colts and then went into Pittsburgh and beat the living hell out of the 15-1 Steelers to get to the SB.

They dominated those two seasons like no team in recent memory. They were clearly the best team in football during that time.

You have no clue what you’re talking about.

]]>By: majormalphunktionhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/16/bill-belichick-shoots-down-questions-about-his-coaching-legacy/#comment-2267232
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 19:39:41 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1645544#comment-2267232Then the other two- the patriots were underdogs, fairly unimpressive teams but they surprisingly pulled out victories. Then we find out they were filming the other teams. Everything made sense.

Unimpressive? Right…21 games in a row and back to back Superbowls.

Unimpressive.

]]>By: patsfiendhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/16/bill-belichick-shoots-down-questions-about-his-coaching-legacy/#comment-2267200
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 19:32:30 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1645544#comment-2267200The best was his response to Rachel Nichols idiotic question about how Tom Brady has improved in the playoffs since his first “1 or 2 years.”

He looks at her condescendingly. “Pretty much everything.”

Then he looks straight ahead. 10 seconds of complete silence. A few of the guys in the front row start looking at the floor and snickering.

I’d say it’s still him with his hatred for the mothership, but he answered Mike R’s better question. BB… he’s such a jerk, but love having him as the Pats coach.

]]>By: nite2alhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/16/bill-belichick-shoots-down-questions-about-his-coaching-legacy/#comment-2267199
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 19:32:29 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1645544#comment-2267199You Belichick lovers act like he should get a pass for Spygate. He cheated, plain and simple. If it doesn’t give you a competitive edge, then why do it?

As close as many of the Pat’s games were back in those Superbowl years, I’m sure Spygate helped immensely to secure victory in very close games, especially the Rams Superbowl.

Still, no SB wins since Spygate, this year included! Ravens will roll!!!!

]]>By: superschrechttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/16/bill-belichick-shoots-down-questions-about-his-coaching-legacy/#comment-2267178
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 19:26:50 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1645544#comment-2267178I’d like to see him win a Super Bowl without cheating. Otherwise I cant figure out why the media is not all over him like Lance Armstrong
#mudncleats
]]>By: randomcommenterhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/16/bill-belichick-shoots-down-questions-about-his-coaching-legacy/#comment-2267170
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 19:25:43 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1645544#comment-2267170League did not release all tapes. Also, it was reported teams accused the pats of stealing their audio as well as those videos. That would have been the real smoking gun but Goodell made all that disappear.
]]>By: bcgreghttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/16/bill-belichick-shoots-down-questions-about-his-coaching-legacy/#comment-2267142
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 19:19:40 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1645544#comment-2267142@vortexblaster

Belichick’s dad played one year for the Lions. That count?

]]>By: patsfan15http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/16/bill-belichick-shoots-down-questions-about-his-coaching-legacy/#comment-2267137
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 19:19:17 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1645544#comment-2267137Beezo-Doo-doo-Zippity-Bop-bop-bop
Jan 16, 2013, 12:44 PM EST
His coaching legacy, Ha, what a joke. We all know his coaching legacy. He transformed a mediocre coach into a “great” coach and an OK QB into a “great” QB by cheating.

Dude there’s enough evidence and other coaches speaking up about the video taping scandal to know that everyone was doing it and the rules changed in 2006. It’s very ignorant to state that everyone of the pats wins and championships are tarnished.

]]>By: bcgreghttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/16/bill-belichick-shoots-down-questions-about-his-coaching-legacy/#comment-2267133
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 19:18:06 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1645544#comment-2267133For people who say “Belichick SUCKED in Cleveland”, you have no clue. First, he took over one of the worst teams in football. It took a couple years to clean house and start over even benching a Cleveland icon (Bernie Kosar). Second, he led the Browns to the playoffs in 1994. Third, his last year in Cleveland was the year it was announced they were moving from Cleveland to Baltimore. The turmoil there was incredible. Watch A Football Life on NFLN about Belichick. It explains how bad it was in Cleveland.

Was he the HOF coach Belichick in Cleveland? No. Was he media friendly in Cleveland? No. Is he now?!? No. I’m not saying he was great by any stretch, but he simply wasn’t as bad as people say.

Funny how in the first draft in Baltimore, the newly christened Ravens selected Jonathan Ogden and Ray Lewis in the first round. Wish Belichick had a chance to coach them.

]]>By: dullaghanshttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/16/bill-belichick-shoots-down-questions-about-his-coaching-legacy/#comment-2267116
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 19:11:36 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1645544#comment-2267116If you watched the end of the Superbowl last year and still think that Belicheat’s a genius you’re delusional. It was like the Keystone cops out there. Brady on the pats 1st possession of the Super Bowl cost his team two points with a safety on an ill-advised throw into the middle of the field. When he had a chance to come back and bring them to victory failed again. He’s good but he’s not perfect and certainly no Joe Montana. The whole patriots organization admitted that they cheated and the fans still can’t. very funny. Belicheat is the Mark McGwire of NFL coaches. Were always left to wonder how good he would have been had he not cheated.
]]>By: bcgreghttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/16/bill-belichick-shoots-down-questions-about-his-coaching-legacy/#comment-2267112
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 19:08:25 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1645544#comment-2267112@jacksonvillejags4life

I guess Bill Walsh was a terrible coach. He only had Montana.

]]>By: bunkerhillbobhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/16/bill-belichick-shoots-down-questions-about-his-coaching-legacy/#comment-2267111
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 19:08:19 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1645544#comment-2267111Thank-you to all the fans of other NFL teams who recognize what Coach Belichick has done to transform the NE franchise, not only by building a winning mentality through hard work, thoroughness and humility, but by helping young, troubled athletes get on the road to maturity. We thank owner Bob Kraft for realizing BB’s exceptional talents and for bringing him here. It’s extremely hard to win in the NFL and you need fans who will not give up on their team, even when fans of other teams belittle you. We finally earned respect in the league, except from the jealous and envious subhumans whose opinions don’t matter anyway, and, for fans of storied franchises, like the Chargers, Vikings, Bills, and for younger teams, like the Jaguars, I hope your team develops a Champion someday, too; even the Jets, who have been down long enough. Coach Belichick is right up there with Tom Landry and Chuck Noll when you think of best NFL coaches in history and I still don’t see any asterisk beside his team’s name when I read the lsts of Champions. Farewell my fellow NFL fans and keep the faith; your day will come.
]]>By: patriotinvasionhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/16/bill-belichick-shoots-down-questions-about-his-coaching-legacy/#comment-2267109
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 19:07:24 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1645544#comment-2267109So the Pats have the best record in football since “spygate” (aka ESPN tabloid-gate). They have been to 2 Super Bowls since with a completely different team than the ones that won the first 3. And are now 1 win away from their 3rd in 6 years (2 wins away from winning it).

The Pats had leads in the final minute of both games. So because Tyree catches a ball off his helmet, and Wes Welker drops a ball he usually catches in his sleep, it means the Patriots “haven’t won anything since spygate”. Please. Enough. 2 more wins and this non-story finally takes its last breath.

]]>By: patriotinvasionhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/16/bill-belichick-shoots-down-questions-about-his-coaching-legacy/#comment-2267103
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 19:03:45 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1645544#comment-2267103This is so funny. Why do so many fans forget the press conference that Goodell had with a TV monitor showing what was on the tapes? Scoreboard, a bunch of coaches making hand gestures, cheerleaders, crowd, etc. Not much to see.

What did he destroy? Did you want to see that boring video over over again. People act like these tapes could have proven who killed Kennedy. Get over it.

]]>By: elyasmhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/16/bill-belichick-shoots-down-questions-about-his-coaching-legacy/#comment-2267100
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 19:03:14 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1645544#comment-2267100To all the people still whining about Spygate: Filming signals was, and still is, LEGAL. The only thing they did wrong was to film them from the sideline instead of the coach’s box. That’s it.
]]>By: flash1283http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/16/bill-belichick-shoots-down-questions-about-his-coaching-legacy/#comment-2267088
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:58:38 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1645544#comment-2267088acksonvillejags4life says: Jan 16, 2013 1:01 PM

For me to consider Belichick one of the greatest coaches of all time I’d have to see him coach without brady for more than one year (yes I’m aware he did it with Cassel). I doubt I’ll get that chance though because he’ll probably retire the same time as Brady….I think everyone can agree that in football it’s all about talent. When Belichick had no talent in Cleveland he sucked…when he was given talent in New England he succeeded. A true great coach i.e. Don Shula does it with multiple quarterbacks who maybe aren’t superstars

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So Bill Walsh wasn’t a great coach?

8-24 without Montana.

And in Cleveland he didn’t entirely suck.
They did go to the playoffs and have back to back winning seasons then the team was moved.

Pats fans can give thumbs down all they want. The fact remains he was caught cheating. It may be different if the pats won 3 blowouts but they won each Super Bowl by a FG.

That is very close which means the difference may very well have been the spygate cheating.

His legacy is that while he is a very good coach, his championships will always be doubted. Just like lance Armstrong. Maybe Armstrong wins the tour once or twice without cheating but most will doubt that.

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Please tell me how he cheated when they didn’t play the Panthers or Eagles earlier in those SB years…

Again, Matt Walsh with immunity stated the tapes never left his possession…