Posted by MikeT23 on 10/4/2013 5:02:00 PM (view original):Is it a terrible idea? Opening a National Park is a horrid, isn't it? Funding FEMA? How ******* dare they?

No, but passing a bill to keep a national park open while ignoring the FDA, etc. is stupid as hell. There is a passable bill on the table that re-opens government. Boehner needs to bring it to a vote. If he doesn't, this is on him.

And if Boehner brings bills up for a vote that would reopen parts of the government and the Demotards pass on it, is that still on Boehner?

Or are you just going to continue to deny reality and insist that the Democrats have absolutely no blame in the shutdown?

Posted by MikeT23 on 10/4/2013 5:02:00 PM (view original):Is it a terrible idea? Opening a National Park is a horrid, isn't it? Funding FEMA? How ******* dare they?

No, but passing a bill to keep a national park open while ignoring the FDA, etc. is stupid as hell. There is a passable bill on the table that re-opens government. Boehner needs to bring it to a vote. If he doesn't, this is on him.

And if Boehner brings bills up for a vote that would reopen parts of the government and the Demotards pass on it, is that still on Boehner?

Or are you just going to continue to deny reality and insist that the Democrats have absolutely no blame in the shutdown?

Because that would be, you know, massively stupid.

Would it make you feel better if I said 95% of the blame falls on the GOP? You always do this. You hang up on one little detail and miss the forest.

The point isn't that the GOP is 100% at fault (though I would lean that way). The point is that the shut down is primarily the fault of the GOP. If you want to say the Dems have 5 or 10 or 20% of the fault, that's fine. But it certainly isn't 50/50 and only an idiot would see it that way.

Posted by MikeT23 on 10/4/2013 5:02:00 PM (view original):Is it a terrible idea? Opening a National Park is a horrid, isn't it? Funding FEMA? How ******* dare they?

No, but passing a bill to keep a national park open while ignoring the FDA, etc. is stupid as hell. There is a passable bill on the table that re-opens government. Boehner needs to bring it to a vote. If he doesn't, this is on him.

And if Boehner brings bills up for a vote that would reopen parts of the government and the Demotards pass on it, is that still on Boehner?

Or are you just going to continue to deny reality and insist that the Democrats have absolutely no blame in the shutdown?

Because that would be, you know, massively stupid.

Would it make you feel better if I said 95% of the blame falls on the GOP? You always do this. You hang up on one little detail and miss the forest.

The point isn't that the GOP is 100% at fault (though I would lean that way). The point is that the shut down is primarily the fault of the GOP. If you want to say the Dems have 5 or 10 or 20% of the fault, that's fine. But it certainly isn't 50/50 and only an idiot would see it that way.

You can assign any number what you want.

I'll give you my number. 60% Republicans, 40% Democrats.

Only an idiot would fail to recognize that the Democrats as a whole have acted nearly as stupidly as the Republicans over the five years of the RMS Titanic Administration.

Posted by MikeT23 on 10/4/2013 5:02:00 PM (view original):Is it a terrible idea? Opening a National Park is a horrid, isn't it? Funding FEMA? How ******* dare they?

No, but passing a bill to keep a national park open while ignoring the FDA, etc. is stupid as hell. There is a passable bill on the table that re-opens government. Boehner needs to bring it to a vote. If he doesn't, this is on him.

And if Boehner brings bills up for a vote that would reopen parts of the government and the Demotards pass on it, is that still on Boehner?

Or are you just going to continue to deny reality and insist that the Democrats have absolutely no blame in the shutdown?

Because that would be, you know, massively stupid.

Would it make you feel better if I said 95% of the blame falls on the GOP? You always do this. You hang up on one little detail and miss the forest.

The point isn't that the GOP is 100% at fault (though I would lean that way). The point is that the shut down is primarily the fault of the GOP. If you want to say the Dems have 5 or 10 or 20% of the fault, that's fine. But it certainly isn't 50/50 and only an idiot would see it that way.

You can assign any number what you want.

I'll give you my number. 60% Republicans, 40% Democrats.

Only an idiot would fail to recognize that the Democrats as a whole have acted nearly as stupidly as the Republicans over the five years of the RMS Titanic Administration.

When the stated goal of a party is to make sure that the other party fails, and then goes ahead and does everything in their power to attain that goal......I don't know how you can only go 60/40...I'm going to go 85/15.

and really when you think about what the Republicans are doing...they are hijacking the fabric of our political system.....this is a settled matter, or should be. It's been upheld by the Supreme Court and is the law of the land...I have to change it to 95/5. It's a terrible precedent to set and is going to do nothing but cause grief for themselves in the end.

Posted by The Taint on 10/4/2013 10:12:00 PM (view original):and really when you think about what the Republicans are doing...they are hijacking the fabric of our political system.....this is a settled matter, or should be. It's been upheld by the Supreme Court and is the law of the land...I have to change it to 95/5. It's a terrible precedent to set and is going to do nothing but cause grief for themselves in the end.

Exactly.

Tec if you want to say that the democrats contributed to a political environment that is so partisan we've come to this, fine. But in this specific situation, the GOP is almost entirely at fault.

Posted by The Taint on 10/4/2013 10:12:00 PM (view original):and really when you think about what the Republicans are doing...they are hijacking the fabric of our political system.....this is a settled matter, or should be. It's been upheld by the Supreme Court and is the law of the land...I have to change it to 95/5. It's a terrible precedent to set and is going to do nothing but cause grief for themselves in the end.

Exactly.

Tec if you want to say that the democrats contributed to a political environment that is so partisan we've come to this, fine. But in this specific situation, the GOP is almost entirely at fault.

The dems have contributed, but the true instigation is that a black man was elected.

Posted by The Taint on 10/4/2013 10:12:00 PM (view original):and really when you think about what the Republicans are doing...they are hijacking the fabric of our political system.....this is a settled matter, or should be. It's been upheld by the Supreme Court and is the law of the land...I have to change it to 95/5. It's a terrible precedent to set and is going to do nothing but cause grief for themselves in the end.

Are all laws "good"? If they have been legally passed and subsequently upheld as constitutional, should they always just be blindly accepted and unquestioned as being in the best interests of the country?

How did that work out for Prohibition?

Obamacare should never be considered a "settled matter" because it's the wrong solution to the wrong problem with respect to healthcare.

The shutdown is about taxes/budgeting/deficit. The ACA is a ***** to fund(admittedly it may be cheaper in the future) so it's sort of taken certain stage but the problem is much bigger than that. I don't think anyone objects to universal healthcare for all. But you can't fund everything for everybody. That's the message the GOP is trying to get across.

You fashion yourself as some critical, free-thinker. You're just a parrot for whatever liberal piece you read a few minutes ago. Your next original thought will be your first. You're funny. In a sad way.