I guess we know where all the socks that got banned came from. They always go on a whining binge on other sites after they get banned. You would think that if being able to post here was so important to them then they would follow the posting guidelines to begin with.

T3 ^writes:

Moses replies:

That is complete and utter bullshit T3 and you KNOW it! Norm deleted posts. Flash started with the threats out of nowhere after the issue was already solved. Except he made you the heavy. We've already discussed privately. Seriously, do want want to open that can again?

For the record, I would never out another fellow AP, regardless of my personal feelings towards that person.
. But I see no reason to inflate the childish drama by creating anymore public posts. Thanks.

Ryemo writes:

Moses replies:

The problem is you outed another poster. Your opinion as to his status is irrelevant and obviously not the same as his opinion. The message you sent to others is it's okay to out someone if they whiz you off enough. Of course you want this to go away. Because you screwed up and you know it. But what really irritates me is the advice you write that can put others in danger. NO. I Don't believe you are what you say you are. Someone would've kicked your ass long before now.

Exoter is far more believable. I've always liked that kid even though others do not. Maybe you need to take a few lessons from the person you will probably hide behind if the trouble ever does start to go down. For Ryemo, it's just a matter of time. All mouth. No guts.

How do you think APs that don’t post details about their trips get backed off? Hint hint. It might have something to do with how they play, like raising their bet with the count.

DBS writes ^:

Moses replies:

I don't beat around the bush. Quite frankly, I don't think you're a part time recreational player. You are too damn smart. My quarter says you are either a pit boss or a banner sock returned who has a problem with T3 and Freighter. Am I close?

Now, this is about the 3rd time you've mentioned, an AP is ID'ed when raising the bet with the count. With all due respect, any idiot should know that much...even Ryemo and False.

But my question is; how do you evaluate the player who does not always raise his bet with the count? But still plays a strong game within your tolerance?

T3 gets drilled

T3 once again is getting drilled for his super duper 6 deck count that sets him far apart from the rest of the posters. DBS has figured out it's better to worship him than to argue with him. Probably a smart move. Everyone here has made the mistake of trying to stand up to T3 and False. We were either banned or just lost interest altogether. It's a game you can't win because NORM is biased or perhaps he is one in the same. You would need his "behind-the-scenes" info to clearly understand why.

AND T3 has a point about the socks that resurface. BJTF is irritating as hell. If you keep reading all T3s lengthy diatribes and False's magnanimous blue ink bullshit, it gets to anyone sooner or later. But what does it matter? The only thing one will lose is time. But if you try to follow them, you'll lose alot of it. There would be no need to resurface if Norm offered a level playing field in the first place.

Even False screwed up and admitted once that Wong Halves is the best count for the shoe game. I really don't know, nor do I care. 6 decks is a ripoff and casinos convinced the consuming public it's a good idea by allowing more tricks and larger spreads. If there is a way to make money? Then more power to you. But there are definately easier and less stressful ways to make a buck. So who needs it?

In the single deck game you will simply make too many bad investments if you don't split the 2-7s into two groups. Otherwise, you have no idea if you are betting large into a deck rich in 10-As that could also be rich in 2-4s or 5-7s. You HAVE to separate the two because the frequency of increased bet and amount of tolerance allowed by the casino isn't wide enough to endure the volatility of mediocre investments.

So the only place for a Hi Otp II count is in the DD game with deep pen and a large bet allowance. Evidently, there is somewhere in the US this exists. I do not know where or if this actually exists. The process of elimination by reading the forum leaves somewhere in Louisiana as the only possibility. Obviously, it is not worth the airfare or False would be doing it instead of always talking about it. Even so, if one took the time to split the 2-7s column, they'd be so much further ahead because they'd be eliminating bad bets. The point False conveniently leaves out is frequency. This is why he and Ryemo are always getting banned.

Therefore, if you're not doing this, you can render pretty much anything else in Ryemoland and Falseland as bullshitville.

T3 might have something. But I'll be damned if I can understand it and I've spent more time in study than logic permits. With all the crap to sift through? I doubt finding the "hidden gems" are worth the trouble. Clearly, he has a need to feel superior. Much like Norm. Not that Norm. The other Norm.

All of us will have an insignificant sampling for our lifetime of play. In light of this, making results more certain over time is very important.

Now Norm doesn't want me talking about things like this so please stop baiting me to do so.

T3 writes ^:

Moses replies ^:
I don't think your freedom of speech is restricted here. Lifetime of play is a major consideration. Writing books convincing others to chase thresholds obviously makes more sense than doing it yourself.

But if you already know this and are doing it, why is it so almighty important to spread the news? For one thing, you continue to put yourself and others at risk with casino personell that read the forum. Newbie's are not going to get it. It would create further detriment to the cause if they did. Why the concern over new players to put existing APs at risk?

The board has won its independence where the common folk all share an equal voice. This should be a time of rejoicing.

Bosox writes ^:

Moses replies:

Yes and No Bosox. Just a few posts prior you were talking about leaving. DBS and T3 are off the charts lately. Sooo many contradictions. If Norm is going to have puppets then there is bound to be socks. Consider who is not posting while the socks are posting. Perhaps it's just more BOC using different handles. Nothing about blackjack. The only thing left that is interesting is trying to figure out the players.

DBS seems to think he is extremely interesting. Not so much. Could be an act, a sock, Uzen, newbie, or someone that has all your numbers. One thing is for sure. He is the bigget ass kisser on earth. Hope T3 doesn't make a sudden stop.

betting 2 x $600 in a shoe i lost over $10 k . with 30k you can not play $100 minimum games unless you are willingg to keep replenish your bankroll a few more times .
StopGambling writes ^:

Exactly! Some of the worst shoes I ever had: -11,200 betting 2x500. -7,000 betting 2x300. And -12,000 betting 2x800. All of those results occurred in one single shoe. I’m sure I’ve had others that I’m missing, but those 3 are the most memorable for me.
Ryemo writes ^:

Moses replies: 1.) Hmmm. How does a youngster raising a family acquire this amount of money? Time to play? Nerve to bet these amounts with less than 5 years experience? I've bet on ball games where $10K is out over a 24 hour period. I've been doing this for many years and it's still bothersome.

2.) IF you turn the results around and win that much in one single shoe? Now he's even and 86ed. Shrewd! You have to make back $30,200 just to get even and not lose more places to play. Ryemo the great puts on his cape.

3.) Why not work on your game to reduce volatility? In the 3 shoes combined, you lost about 3 years of your kids college tuition money. And you're bragging about it?

T3 writes ^:
Moses replies: I agree. But that should apply to anyone not just another AP. Ryemo should have been banned as well. I mean if I wanted to find somone I could easily do it based on the info Ryemo provided. Plus, as you well know, the info False provided in his email lists.

Zee should have been banned for acting nuttier than squirrel turds. But to say he threatened or outed someone is a falsehood. There wasn't enough info listed to hurt 21forme in the least. It's just a story you guys conjured up so you could ban Zee. IF there was, I'd probably fly to that city and visit that casino just so I could see what a real honest to goodness chicken shit looked like.

Ryemo writes: My friend and I went to Vegas together a little over 2 years ago. I checked into 2 different comped hotels to collect offers from each casino. Our main room was one of the CET properties on the strip (I think Paris maybe) and our second room was at the Tropicana IIRC. My friend is single, so I made it VERY clear to him that in the event he meets anyone and wants to take them back to the room, he better not bring anyone back to Paris, the room that had cash in it! I made it explicitly clear that the only two people that were allowed in our room at Paris was only me and him. I told him if he ended up hooking up with anyone, he was more than welcome to take them to our second hotel at the south end of the strip. I think I had 30 or 40K with me that trip, so I didn't want to take any chances. We ended up hanging out the whole time anyway, so it was never an issue. But I made that rule clear from the get go because I've heard that those hotel safes are not really that secure.

Solo player is definitely lucky he didn't have more stolen. Many of the APs that I know would be carrying at least 20K or more, and in most cases, much more. If that had been the case of Solo player, that trip could have been extremely disastrous. Not to say that doesn't suck already... but I think it could have been so much worse!
Moses replies: Are you friggin serious? These robberies don't just sort of happen out of the clear blue sky. There is a constant under current far more focused on you than the EITS. You, Ryemo, are really lucky your idiot friend didn't end up getting taken down, and have you go down with him. The best criminals are planners who utilize many tools of modern technology. They understand Risk and Reward. You are low risk. High reward. Liquor stores are high risk. Low reward.

IF you are going to go fuck around, then don't take money. IF you are going to make money, then don't fuck around.

All I am saying is we should all post in the paid forum not here... what's the difference? You can't pay Norm a few dollars per month for what he generously provides us? The ability to discuss directly with people like Norm and Don!
And I'm sure your average pit person does not own Beat The Dealer...but they do have a phone in their pocket with Youtube and these open forums. Why make it easier for them?
Do you think there is no correlation between when everyone got a smart phone (2000's) and that just happens to be when Vegas started to become almost unplayable etc?

CIF writes
Excellent point. You paid for something. Why not use it?

Ryemo brags: You think a $3 monthly membership will protect you from casinos? Everything that you find either here, on BJA, or any other BJ forum is old news to casinos. I can assure you that anything that is considered sensitive in nature is not being discussed on public forums. With that said, I do have a paid membership here, but mainly for PM privileges.

It can't hurt.

Who said anything about being protected from casinos? Glad you have a membership Ryemo. We all know you have so much more info than the rest of us.

CIF writes

I'm surprised to ever win a hand without all the secret people to cry to if I lose.

I wish BJ21 could return to that state again. Thatís where I really started my AP career so to speak. Iím still a member there and I know Smallcap recently joined there again. Itíd be nice to get that place rolling again!

Ryemo writes:

Wish in one hand and shit in the other. See which one gets filled first. What a dork! Great Norm. Now you've stooped to letting others promote other sites. A new low.