you done told me lots of thangs bout beer n shit and canada. have a grand ol cunt of a good time.

RIP moe.

2006-06-27, 11:12

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yeah bro calm down
cliff was about an 8 of 10 bassist, jaco being like 17.5
by far not even close to the best

well he might not be the best but he was one of the biggest influences for me to start playing bass. i mean have you ever herd his solo "Anesthesia/ pulling teeth" before? thats some wicked shit right there.

pure insanity. burton was incredibly talented. pulling teeth is a fairly challenging piece to play let alone make up on the spot. i think it ranks up there with zeps lemon song as one of the best rock bass performances ever, the theory and techniques he uses could fill a book.

2006-06-27, 20:08

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pure insanity. burton was incredibly talented. pulling teeth is a fairly challenging piece to play let alone make up on the spot. i think it ranks up there with zeps lemon song as one of the best rock bass performances ever, the theory and techniques he uses could fill a book.

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@bassb: thats ok dude.......hes played with his fingers for above 20 years now and proved himself and shown everyone what all he is capable of.... now imo he can do whatever he fuckin wants...he still is the best.
oh and he doesnt use the pick throughout the song.only in certain parts of some songs where he cant get a specific tone with his fingers

That slow tapping part after that wanky pick stuff was beautiful. Very cool solo.

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2006-07-03, 14:15

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You're never going to convince anybody in this particular forum that playing with a pick isn't the bass player's equivalent of being Joseph Mengele, so don't bother. Doesn't matter if you're right, though you will be in some cases and not in others.

But, to be honest, in that guy's case I'd call his pick-playing into question. He plays a bass as though it were a guitar. What the hell's the point in that?

2006-07-03, 15:48

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Why don't you try to play that fast without a pick.

dude, i can play that fast with my fingers. this dude sucks at bass. that is one of the worst bass solos i have ever herd

dude, i can play that fast with my fingers. this dude sucks at bass. that is one of the worst bass solos i have ever herd

Well of course you can, you're the MegaBassPlayer!!! Besides, Taiji's main instrument is guitar. That band already had two guitarists and needed only a bass player and Taiji was really good at it, so they wanted him to play bass.

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2006-07-03, 17:36

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Well of course you can, you're the MegaBassPlayer!!! Besides, Taiji's main instrument is guitar. That band already had two guitarists and needed only a bass player and Taiji was really good at it, so they wanted him to play bass.

i see, i still can't stand guitarist who play bass and still think they have a guitar in there hands though. but anyway, whatever gets thier motor going.

you done told me lots of thangs bout beer n shit and canada. have a grand ol cunt of a good time.

RIP moe.

2006-07-03, 21:22

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You seem to be forgetting that, as a bassist, you're obliged to consider such displays of playing with a pick as a mistreatment of the instrument on par with bashing it against a brick wall, and as producing comparably pleasant sounds.

2006-07-03, 22:28

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haha shut up PST...the tapping part was pretty cool at least. I wasn't a big fan of the distorted tone, but what can ya do.

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you done told me lots of thangs bout beer n shit and canada. have a grand ol cunt of a good time.

Too bad he ruins almost every song when he needlessly plays the most random wanking bass solo when it's clearly not needed.

I wouldnt say so, without Rainer Pavor wouldnt have got any attention at all (I bet). And seriously, is there any band that is similar? Come on, even one death metal band must be like that, only Rainer has got those crazy ass licks.
I wouldnt listen to Pavor if Rainer wouldnt be there, or neither would I
have heard of 'em.

dude, i can play that fast with my fingers. this dude sucks at bass. that is one of the worst bass solos i have ever herd

Did you actually listen to the rest of it? He played with a pick for like 30 seconds and then all sorts of slap/tapping stuff. To say he sucks at bass is pretty rediculous.

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I wouldnt say so, without Rainer Pavor wouldnt have got any attention at all (I bet). And seriously, is there any band that is similar? Come on, even one death metal band must be like that, only Rainer has got those crazy ass licks.
I wouldnt listen to Pavor if Rainer wouldnt be there, or neither would I
have heard of 'em.

No, there music is good, but random wanking-ass bass solos get in the way of things.

Did you actually listen to the rest of it? He played with a pick for like 30 seconds and then all sorts of slap/tapping stuff. To say he sucks at bass is pretty rediculous.

yes i did listen to all of it. the begging part where he played with a pick was unessesary. any good bassist could have played that part with there fingers. that tapping was easy because i sort of "played along "with it and if i could find the accual tab ( i could do it by ear but i don't have the patience) i could play it damn well. i still think the solo was lame and that he sucked. end of conversation.

He is obviously very technically proficient and well versed in any many different techniques. And im sorry but the whole attitude that playing with a pick makes you inferior to someone that plays with their fingers is ludicrous. Its as valid a technique as any, and to simply say he sucks because you dont like him shows how a good amount close-mindedness.

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2006-07-04, 15:09

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Well I guess that kind of reply is expected from a 15 year old.

He is obviously very technically proficient and well versed in any many different techniques. And im sorry but the whole attitude that playing with a pick makes you inferior to someone that plays with their fingers is ludicrous. Its as valid a technique as any, and to simply say he sucks because you dont like him shows how a good amount close-mindedness.

dude, when i said conversation over, i ment there was to be nothing else said about "X-Japan" or thier bassist. i have a right to my opinon and i still don't like the way he playes. now don't say anything else about it. and by the way, " well i guess that kind of reply is expected from a 15 year old", is kind of offensive. thats like saying all 15 year olds are stupid and don't know anything about anything. i suggest you watch what you say next time or i might do something about it.

ROFL, ok sorry kid, didnt realize that you run this discussion. Be careful talkin like that though, you may piss off someone who has gone through puberty already.

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2006-07-04, 15:24

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ROFL, ok sorry kid, didnt realize that you run this discussion. Be careful talkin like that though, you may piss off someone who has gone through puberty already.

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i don't know what i would do, no hard fealings about anything but i'm still sticking with my opinion.

And that is perfectly fine, you are totally entilted to your opinion. Just realize that your opinion isnt the final word, anyone else can feel completely differently about X-Japan or Taiji and thats perfectly fine. For the record, I believe that bass should be played with fingers as well but that dosent mean that sometimes a pick can be appropriate in certain situations.

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Unfortunately i cannot hear the bass solo because i have no sound at the moment for any reason.
I do not dislike Pick Bassists, as Rex Brown (among others) or however his name was played in a very groovy way with Pantera.
And the very worst bass solo ever is without any doubt sting of the bumble bee. Its just so terrible. Im by far too lazy too list all the things i do not like about that shit.

back to topic: You could post a photo of John Myung. I personally will not do so as I think he is a bit overrated (definitely not his technique, though).

2006-07-04, 15:31

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And that is perfectly fine, you are totally entilted to your opinion. Just realize that your opinion isnt the final word, anyone else can feel completely differently about X-Japan or Taiji and thats perfectly fine. For the record, I believe that bass should be played with fingers as well but that dosent mean that sometimes a pick can be appropriate in certain situations.

And the very worst bass solo ever is without any doubt sting of the bumble bee. Its just so terrible.

You mean Flight of the Bumble Bee? If so, thats a classical piece that a lot of shred guitarists cover to prove themselves. Ive never heard it on bass though.

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Youre right, there are plenty good interpretations on shred guitar, and the "piano version" beats them all. That manowar bloke called his "version" sting o t bumblebee, afaik. Maybe he wanted to write sort of a part two of that (originally!) excellent tune.

BassBehemoth was, like me, being sarcastic (it should've been obvious, since I was the first guy to post a pic of Geddy). However, 'Geddy Lee' is a made up name. His real name is Gary Lee Weinrib, and he made up the stage name Geddy Lee. None of the members of Rush go by their real names. So I'd love to hear your explanation as to how it isn't made up (and I know the story about his mother's accent).

2006-07-05, 21:15

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BassBehemoth was, like me, being sarcastic (it should've been obvious, since I was the first guy to post a pic of Geddy). However, 'Geddy Lee' is a made up name. His real name is Gary Lee Weinrib, and he made up the stage name Geddy Lee. None of the members of Rush go by their real names. So I'd love to hear your explanation as to how it isn't made up (and I know the story about his mother's accent).

ok, seems you know a lot. i know that same story about Geddy's mother and her accent. and i also know that "LIfeson" isn't Alex's last name. and i know somebody allready posted a pic of him, i just wasn't sure who.

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Hey MegaBassPlayer. Its me adrian. Just thought i would log on and check this site out!!

It's important. Using a pick is a morally evil act in bass playing. It implies not simply a lack of talent but an all-out attack on the foundations and institutions of bass-playing, similar, in character, to the Communist plot to flourinate the world's water supplies.

It's important. Using a pick is a morally evil act in bass playing. It implies not simply a lack of talent but an all-out attack on the foundations and institutions of bass-playing, similar, in character, to the Communist plot to flourinate the world's water supplies.

well, I would call cheating your way out of practicing a good technique a lack of talent

I used to give a shit after pick playing bassists. Now I couldnt care less.
Actually there aint that many that use a pick from the bands I listen to, as in most/some records the bass is inaudible anyways.
I'm satisfied if the bass can be heard at all, if the bassist uses a pick,
he/she loses a few of my respect points and usually I can expect that the
bass lines arent that mind blowing (dont vary from guitar lines at all)

Playing with a pick is just as valid as playing with your fingers. END.

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Of course it would, we're in a pointlessly elitist bass forum in a metal forum where, in general, technical proficiency beats good band role playing. Even if this weren't the case, a poll doesn't mean shit.

I realize that playing fingerstyle is more than just moving your fingers up and down; I can play fingerstyle bass pretty well (probably better than you can pick). But it can be reduced to that. And playing with a pick is more than just moving your wrist side to side, though it can be reduced to that. The whole pick bassist controversy is a bunch of whining by myopic douchebags who don't realize that the measure of a bassist is not whether or not he holds a slim piece of plastic in his right hand, which, to me, only calls into question if they can effectively play bass in a group rather than in their bedrooms.

Pete Trewavas and Kristoffer Gildenlow come to mind. Pete is one of the most tasteful bass players out there. Now let me throw in a quote that should should put an end to this argument.

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When I first started playing bass, I remember being confronted with this confounding question: Should I play with a pick, my fingers, or both? As I’ve grown as a player, I’ve learned that the most rewarding answer is both. While a specialty is inevitable, versatility is a skill that will pay off your entire musical life.

VERSATILITY!

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2006-07-10, 16:16

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That's a great quote. For me playing bass is all about the expression you put into the notes you play. Fingerpicking gives me the most control and freedom to express what I want to get across.
However, I'm sure to a pick player the pick is a part of his hand. Like a carpenter with a hammer - he can make it do whatever he wants.

You can't do mechanical downstrokes with your fingers as is sometimes required by the nature of metal. You actually can't replicate the sound of something like, say, that Japanese fag's tremelo picking in that video with your fingers; I've yet to hear fingers (including those of fast flamenco guitarists) actually sound like trem-picking.

Famous, good pick bassists? I'll start with Paul McCartney (and before you point out that he was untalented, let me point out that he redefined the role of the bassist in rock and roll and that, if you play with the band at all - which you may very well not do - then chances are you owe him a lot). D'Amour and Chancellor from Tool (bass is practically a lead instrument in that band), Chris Squire, Roger Waters, Allen Woody, Andy West, Doug Pinnick, Sting etc. Then there's a list of people who use picks sometimes, which includes Steve Digorgio and Tony Levin (though he also plays bass with drumsticks).

Like anything else, there's a lot more you can do with a bass than be technically proficient, and you close off a lot of opportunities with knee-jerk reactions like most bassists seem to have to picks. They can be a sign that the bassist in question is just a failed guitarist who will contribute nothing to bass playing. Or it could be a personal preference. Much less of a big deal than bass players like to make it.

very good point but most of the people who know of paul mccartney dont know him for playing bass, just being in the beatles and being....paul mccartney
but I am willing to accept pick bassists as legit musicians now
but i still dont like em

D'Amour and Chancellor from Tool (bass is practically a lead instrument in that band), Chris Squire, Roger Waters, Allen Woody, Andy West, Doug Pinnick, Sting etc. Then there's a list of people who use picks sometimes, which includes Steve Digorgio and Tony Levin (though he also plays bass with drumsticks).

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Jesus, how could I forget all those guys (and girl)?! I might go as far as to say that Tool wouldnt be Tool without that bass tone (and the occasional whammy). Chris Squire is another huge pick player (literally). Good points PST 88.

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