Certified fresher From GENOVATE

Dear All,
Â I am SAP certified fresher, but i have 5 years of domain experience . I am certified from GENOVATE Solutions . Am trying as fresher past one year but iÂ could not able to break through.Bec i dont have sap experience. Genovate starting (before joining courseÂ )Â they assured job placement. But they are not helping out any way.Please tell me how may be the sap job market in coming month . Can i wait ?... Bec i spent huge money for that.I dont have any other options..... Even i cant get my domain job also..
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Hi
To put things in proper perspective and focus ahead rather than throwing negativity and vented frustrations for personal reasons, which ultimately is not going to get anyone, anywhere - why dont we take a step back and introspect what could have gone wrong and whether there are ways to salvage whatever is left of it. Shall we friends?
On a personal note - my sympathies to all those who had basically no idea what they were getting into and just decided to flock along with the rest of the professionals, merely for the greed of those stinking pieces of silver (Dollars and Rupees or Yen and Pounds). That they had no aptitude and appreciation of this Best of Breed ERP solution ;its true power in transforming businesses productivity a few notches higher ;the very strong (not sure if i can cal it robust) architecture and many more lovely facets of this great ERP Solution -SAP; is very evident from the innumerable messages from people venting out their frustrations and and playing the blame game ;
Before you even consider switching to SAP - leave alone undergoing training,
I pray there should be a desire and meaningful purpose to yearn and understand SAP well if not better ( the number of SAP installed bases in your respective regions, basic knowledge of the SAP Eco System, visualize what you would want to do in it and how your profile with SAP knowledge would lend substance and value to the company/enterprise and eventually yourself.(even understanding its Framework by reading a bit is useful ) and more so if you are undergoing training through the formal SAP Educational Training program (through SAP Education Partners like Genovate - who have a policy like their Principal partner (SAP) of no guaranteed job placements)
Value Added services like Placement assistance may be offered by some of the Education partners. Please do not go by some individual in any of these companies who may promise the moon and create an impression that the general policy is such. A policy like that will be in fine print when you enroll for such courses and students must be very clear about "things mentioned by individuals verbally" and things mentioned in fine print. And another clarification i wish to reinforce here - pricing for such courses are determined by SAP and not by the Education Partners. I am not even mentioning un-authorized training as it another topic altogether.
Salvage back what is lost and how?
After having spend so much - I am not just talking about the money, it is not worth quitting - Market yourself like what the Gurus mention (ultimately self help is the best help), Get more involved with SAP Communities - SAP Professionals Networking Groups, Gather a group of likeminded individuals and create mock projects under the able guidance of a mentor (this way you will not only lose touch with what you learnt (without knowing why you learnt it:P) but will also give opportunity to cross train across modules and get geared for better options), Volunteer for free internship opportunities if you have the time, attend SAP conferences and seminars for knowledge transfers and more networking options - Build up a personal rapport with SAP professionals of key repute and status (I learn a lot from what the seniors consultants here say - my personal recommendation is also to follow this gentleman Jon Reed (SAP Mentor - I call him a SAP Guru) on all his columns -he definitely makes a lot of sense all the time.Well Done Jon!
And above all - have a plan - a positive one - you will succeed like many of them and will come back to these forums with that big smile. Its all in the mind as they - I better end on a philosophical note - Have a desire to succeed and you have to succeed.
Good Luck and Best Wishes
Muhammad Shaamel

This is an example of what we senior guys keep on saying, and we get insulted and mocked whenever we do say it.
This guy has relied on promises of help with placement that did not materialise. He has spent a lot of money and burnt his boats as far as his previous job is concerned. he can not break into SAP because he has no relevant experience, and, after 1 year of trying he is still not ready to admit that he is never going to hack it.
The short ansewer to him is "Go get a job - any job - because otherwise you will starve". The long answer to any other wannabes out there is learn from this guy's experience and listen to what we tell you.
Rgds, Roy
Roy Brookes AFA, FInstBA,
SAP Financials Expert,
Senior SAP FI-CO-TR Consultant
www.RoyBrookes.comemail@removed
Director,
Software Partner Solutions limited
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Its really sad that people have to go through this kind of a predicament due to the false promises of some institutions but Roy is completely right here about the experience part.

In my opinion the only thing we can suggest is what Roy has already said about getting of "any job" and in the spare time try giving the Walkin Interviews of the SAP Global partners companies. Some Fortune 500 companies involved in SAP implementation and support do hire(sometimes) Certified Guys with very good Domain experience. But its upon you to rely on your instincts and decide whats best for you.
Ultimately sometimes the difference between success and failure in anything is just another
try.

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I would think that domain experience of five years + certification is good enough to get you as a job as a key / end user in a company that uses sap. Also, it should be good enough to land you a job in SAP support projects.
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For implementation / client facing work, this will not be sufficient. you will need to convince the prospective employer that you have sufficient knowledge of SAP (in terms of handling implementation and change management issues) and also have the requisite softskills to handle clients.
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And, a break of one year is hard to explain. So grab a job that is even remotely connected to SAP (such as end user) and six months down the line you should be doing much better.
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This is bad advice. Don't give people false hopes. He has no RELEVANT experience and has been looking for a job for 1 year since certification. What does that tell you? It tells me that that he is not going to hack it, and he's not going to turn it around in 6 months.
Let's face it, the institute that trained him and cerified him stitched him up, made promises they did not keep, and he was naive enough to walk right into it. Now he is a lot poorer but, if he listens to me, he could be wiser.
Rgds, Roy
Roy Brookes AFA, FInstBA,
SAP Financials Expert,
Senior SAP FI-CO-TR Consultant
www.RoyBrookes.comemail@removed
Director,
Software Partner Solutions limited
www.software-partner-solutions.comemail@removed
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Greetings,
It has been said once by many including myself, and I will say it again. Certification (with respect to the United States, UK, and a few other countries I have worked in) matters NOT. It is a waste of time and money. Ok so in this example you are certified by Genovate. Someone please tell me what the heck is GENOVATE? If I saw this on your resume, it would be put on the important chart between a slice of pie and and phone call I missed from a telemarketer. Anyone thinking of getting 'certified' (which is a misleading and cathardic term), should think twice. It only shows you learned a couple of terms for perhaps a particular module of SAP. Could you define how real world business logic ties to all of this? NO. These institutes are ridiculous, uncredible, and overexpensive.
If you wish to get into SAP, start at an entry level position, earn your years (and I mean years) of experience, and then only maybe could you hack it in the world of SAP consulting. Anyone who posts anything related to "oh some of you guys are mean, or unencouraging...yes perhaps we are. But I would rather tell you the truth and save your would-be failed career path than encourage you to fail.
Regards,
Evan

Roy,
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Looks like you read my reply in a hurry. Let me clarify.
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1) SAP Certification + 5 yearsÂ Â domain experience (Dont you think this experience relevant for a SAP end user job ) is a good bet for getting job as a SAP end user. He would NOTÂ to qualify for a Consulting job.
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2) There could be other reasons why he did not land a job in the past one year such as soft skills. It is really for him to analyse and change tactics.
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3) He will have any hope of moving forward in six months only if he gets a SAP linked position immediately. Otherwise things would get worse.
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Finally, it is important to understand Â the geography we are talking about. In parts of Asia (where Genovate operates) there is still some sort of demand for SAP end users where as in US and Europe I would guess that even experienced folks are laid off. So the best bet for him would be to grab what he gets (and hopefully it is relevant to SAP in some way) and then look out for better days.
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Regards
Sai Krishna

Hi
I agree to some extend with SAI, one cannot just look at the problem from only one side. As for the said candidate I am sure that he must have attended some interviews & not been successful, one need to look at the mistakes made during these interviews as feedback so as to improve in the next one. In India there sill is a demand for certification & that is reflected in the fact that SAP has now more than 40 training centres across the country. As for Genovate they have been operating as an official partner for SAP since the last 8 + years & operate in Singapore, Thailand, Malayasia, Srilanka & India

i had also same exp. when i went to Genovate- mumbai . i knw u also belong to same. very big talk, but cheap teaching level this was what i came to know ..when i had being . Luckily i came across those people who were inquring about their placement .which was pending from last many months

now i feel my self lucky that i didnt take into SAP. especially Genovate

Dear Roy
As per you nobody shud try to do SAP as there is no scope.Even I am certified & trying to find job since last 1 year but that doesn't make me hopeless.in my knoledge many of my freinds have been able to get a job in SAP.Only thing is beleive in your capabilities & wait for the opportunity.

Deepak Mehta -
Perhaps I may also be repeating myself. If so, excuse me.
In India, at least, the IBMs and the Accentures do ask for certification. Currently, nobody is recruiting but when they were, they always asked for certification. They used to send their people for certification also.
I know of many (in high double figures, literally), who, from 2004 till end 2008, have had only domain experience, got themselves certified at Siemens (it should be similar with Genovate) and now are working for organizations as varied as IBM, Accenture, Cap Gemini, HCL, Siemens, TCS, Cognizant etc. A couple of my students (those with more experience and abilities) have gone on to become Project Managers.
As per what some senior people say, this is not true in the US or Europe. Their responses are valid for their geographies, not all.
Regards,
Deepak

Please read my post again and see if you can understand it on second reading, since you obviously did not understand it on first reading.
Rgds, Roy
Roy Brookes AFA, FInstBA,
SAP Financials Expert,
Senior SAP FI-CO-TR Consultant
www.RoyBrookes.comemail@removed
Director,
Software Partner Solutions limited
www.software-partner-solutions.comemail@removed
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Thanks for your responce ,
Â Friends I gone for the following big companies also selected in technical round unfortunately in HR round rejected bec they are looking for 16 years of education background . Mine is 15 years. Genovate is misguided me..... regarding this . I clearly discussed with my education backgroundÂ with Â these people before joining.Â Now am trying for enduser job only .. but i dont know where i see opening. Can any body help me.

Please take what Mr. Roy and Mr. Evan has to say about "Certification" Vs Real Hands on Experience as Words of Wisdom from people who have years of experience with them. I am quite often at a loss to understand how Siemens or any such institutions authorized by SAP churning out "Certified" SAP Consultants can think that such Green-horn and wet-behind-the-ears are qualified to study or comment upon Business Processes- Siddique

This is my experience but this is in the US. First do not ever think you will learn SAP by going to some school. This is only for introduction purposes. Any School that promises you help with your resume or job placement is telling you lies. You have to read and practice on your own and try applying as an End User (at the lowest position possible) where you are dealing with stored or configured procedures that are already in place. What bothers me with most freshers like myself is the idea of being a consultant. Consultant is an expert in his or her field, who can hit the ground running. Quit applying for consultancy jobs and try applying for something at your level. I am in SAP HR but cannot pass myself of as a HR consultant. In HR, I focused on Payroll and Benefits. Basically, start small and grow. You cannot come out of medical school and become a specialist overnight! You cannot get into SAP or want to get into SAP then call yourself a consultant overnight.
Of cause this is the US like I said earlier so it may not be the same where you are. People's opinion, both questions and answers, should not be mistaken for insults. If you don't like a question or an answer, please just ignore it.

Evan:
Save your breath. These folks are of the same mindset that put all their money with Bernard Maddoff or Allen Stanford. Your warnings. Roy's warnings. My warnings mean nothing to these folks. They are looking for a short-cut or "get rich quick scheme." So, they get what they deserve, nothing. This learning will beat anything we say.
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Regards,
Bill Morton

Oh some of you guys are mean andÂ unencouraging...yesÂ you are. Why would consider it to beÂ the truth that someone was trained, acquired knowlege necessary to start his career and you say it is expensive and that they are going to fail? You may have followed a different path but let others follow a different. Certification as far as it consecrates the acquisition of knowledge should be encouraged.

Francis:
None of us are against education. In fact, I spend at least 10 hours per week reading technical journals about ERP, CRM, BPO, BPM, BPC, SOA as well as competitive products from Oracle and a host of other suppliers just to stay current with industry trends and new developments. So, the education is available.
The issue is that you don't need the "institutes" that charge a huge amount proportially in India and tout job placement that they often cannot fulfill in order to obtain education. If the certification is not through SAP, then it is useless. We are sounding the warning claxon against these those who are taking advantage of the young, naive, and gullable.
We also are not against being educated and starting at an entry level. It appears to me that most of these folks are "looking for a free lunch" or "a magic bullet" given many of the comments in this space. These people need professional advice based upon their qualifications and experience, not hack advice from people who either are mis-representing themselves in this space or got in to the market when it was booming. It is inappropriate for people to describe in a sentence what is being sought, and expect a serious answer. The downside is too great.
On top of this, the market is either flat or contracting for entry-level SAP resources in the USA and Europe with consulting organizations. Many user organizations have also cut back on staffing as well. All of this rolls back to India as well as other markets where people are struggling to get ahead. So, our "negative" comments are warnings, nothing more. Many SAP consultancies are laying off their bench resources as we speak. There is an amazing amount of talent in the marketplace today. For example, one of the largest Indian integrators, Satyam, is in the process of global re-organization according to many of my colleagues there. IBM, Accenture, Deloitte, CSC and others are either laying off folks or have announced hiring freezes. This is reality today. Now is NOT the time to take career change risks unless you have to do so. Nobody like this. It's just a fact.
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Regards,
Bill Morton

Thanks Bill for those words of wisdom. I am also not against
education. I am in fact highly educated myself and have
spent time educating others over the years. I would however
make the point that there is education and education. In my
career the most useful education has been in language
skills, particularly English but also other languages (I
speak French like a native and I live in Germany and German
is my language at home with my partner). Also I qualified as
an accountant in the UK which involved minimum 5 years
practical experience in accountancy and finance. That gave
me a solid base for FI-CO and I have been a practicing
accountant for over 40 years now. The result is that I can
go into an organisation and talk to the accountants from
bookkeepers up to Finance Directors in their own language
because I have been there, done that, worn that T-shirt.
That is domain knowledge. That makes me a good consultant. I
don't have to do SAP. I can do general business consulting
on many levels and also have a consulting qualification.
Many years ago I was company accountant for a company but
also wore the hat of shipping manager, so I did a logistics
qualification in my spare time so as to be more effective.
You never stop learning. I study in my spare time now,
subjects that interest me and have nothing to do with work.
That is just part of being a well-rounded person. History,
literature and languages fascinate me among many other
things. So education is a good thing but it is only a part
of the story and education alone in the form of a quick
course in an SAP module is not going to be a basis for a
career. Before you can be a consultant you have to know more
than your client, otherwise what is he paying you for? I
have consulted to some huge organizations with extremely
competent people who know their jobs inside out. To stay one
step ahead of such people is not easy. Right now I am
working with a very big petro-chems organisation and the top
3 people on the accounting and finance side are red hot and
know their business backwards. They are also extremely nice
to work with BUT they respect my superior knowledge. If I
did not have that they would eat me up and spit me out. A
fresher would have lasted 5 minutes max.
Rgds, Roy

Hi Roy, I am with you on what you say, education can help you get the knowledge & the good source to do so is from a institue which has credintials &/or approved by the principal.
Experience in a particular domain is very important to understand & appreciate the subject matter as far as SAP is concern. One learns on the job or thru formal education, if one is not fortunate to learn on the job & wants to shift to SAP one needs to look at getting the knowledge to a approved partner. This will not make you a top consultant but can surely open the door in consulting companies as a fresher in SAP.
As a fresh SAP consultant who has just been certified it is for the candidate to market himself at the interview, I am sure that if a candidate has been called for an interview based on his or her CV, the prospective company is interested in the candidate & its for the candidate to ensure that they sell themselves at the interview.

Roy:
Thanks for your complement. I agree with your description of what a successful career looks like. Like yourself, I have been in logististics adn supply chain management for 30 years. Much of my consulting work is in analysis and optimization of business processes since many of the ERP systems I see were implemented without enough consideration on the processes and change management that is necessary to be successful using these products. Therefore, my conversations from the shop floor to the board room vary depending on the audience. I very much appreciate your insight and experience since it tracks may own.
Life is not a sprint, it is a marathon. Therefore, all new folks in this space should be aware that you cannot move immediately into the use of SAP without appropriate domain knowledge and be effective.
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Regards,
Bill Morton

after reading excellent counselling mails from Roy B,
I would like to further suggest to quick fix course seekers ....
there is ample study material on sap sdn ...
anyone who wants to learn sap technical can download latest software ....
one can learn abap , java .....practically for free ...
linux version of sap servers is also available.
all it takes is effort on our own part. and an attitude of not relying on some guaranted job courses and not needing others shoulders to cry...

So Even after getting certified, it will not add any value to our SAP Career ha?

But people simply say that market is in demand for SAP Certified consultants, as you mentioned even I have got rejected only becauese of my 15 years of education. But on time of counseling this points was not explained clearly.

As a matter fact the certification doesn't have that much importance to
become a SAP Consultant. Generally the person who is interviewing you will
try to peep into your skills and try to get a resource with relevant
expertise to the requirement.So certification is just a gate pass some time
in some companies. But they also stopped that practice of just validating
with a certificate. A person who is multi-skilled may not spend money and
time to do certifications, Instead he can show himself in the interview.

Dear Mr.manoj,
just forgot that u have done sap , and continue your carrier as what u ar
doing now.
i am also a product from genovate. These institute having some ******
sitting there. They just
want buisiness only. They did'nt doing proper counseling at the time of
admission. And also
their study curriculam is very very poor. So i am just giving warnings to
all of you want to
enter in sap carrier. Think properly and consult with experienced
consultants.
Please dear freinds never select Genovate,

Hi pradeep,
so in this situation where u found ur self,...what are u doing these days? i
mean which field, suggest that what should do a sap fresher guys if they get
worst training from local institutes?
thanks
puja

Dear puja,
i totally forgot about sap, i was a developer in visual basic at the time of
doing sap. i have done my ceritification in abap from genovate. after 6-7
months searching, getting a job for fresher is very tough in sap unless or
until if u dont have a good jack any implementation firm. so now i am
countinuing my job as a developer in visual basic
My suggession is just forgot sap and search for a job in which u were fully
comfortable

Certification, as of now holds a very low value. Even after certification,
when you start working on a project (let say support), people
struggle for months, they will only learn from their experience.
But in the current turmoil, many companies are utilizing this tool,
Certification to shred their resources.....
CGRA

To all friends having SAP Experiance & Fresher.
Just to re-iterate my words, please forgive me if i am wrong in my thought.
I guess everbody who is having tremendous exp in SAP, having started their career as a fresher only, there would be no Experianced techies in the system if none of the companies has given an oppurtunity for a fresher to enter to SAP. I guess, certification is the only route where many indian comapanies (Refer to the previous comment by Mr. Deepak Mehta) will look for a guy for SAP (Fresher)with certification.
I know this is time of recession, and not wise to spend lots of money on Certification, but i suggest... Guys take it up as a challenge in life, and success leads your way to dreams....
Thanks,
Guru

How many times do the "experienced" people in this group need to re-iterate
that certification is really not an advantage in gaining a job in the world
of SAP. All certification means is that you can sit in front of a tutor for
6 weeks then answer a multiple choice exam! That is no way means that you
are a consultant, even a junior consultant.
Sometimes getting your foot in the door of a company that runs SAP is simply
luck of the draw as it was with me all those years ago.

Hi,
On the other hands i would like to point that most of the experienced SAP
EXpert are hesitant
to impart their Knowledge to the freshner SAP Sd consultant which is not
there in other field.
Actually what i see is that there is a big cartel Going on Sap just to make
Big money easily.
Actually if you see that Trining institute like Genovate or siemens are
charging huge money
for 21 Days only for theorey and no implememntation exposure which is most
essential.
In fact any new entrants joining these institute must ensure that they teach
implementation
after therey and put on some project for practical exp, and they shd take
this in writing.
At present when the candidate gets certification , he has to beg everybody
for getting implementation plus practical exposure inspite of paying huge
amount.
*In Fact i request all the SAP Expert to break this monopoly of Authorised
training Institute, and they themselves shd*
*start training institute for SAP Sd consultant to teach them proper
implementation
Then only fresher will get chance to prove their worth. In fact during this
recession period i request all the expert to take this oppurtunity and atart
implementation class on payment basis which shd be reasonable to the
candidate.*
*Thanks,*
*Keshav Gupta.
9850038343.

Hi,
It seems that everyone is running behind money. No one is genuinely
interested in developing a new pool of talent ( Companies and experienced
candidates included).
How will a fresh blood be infused when you are not hiring freshers? from
where will a domain experienced guy get SAP experience? even a certification
will not help in this case. Thus giving room for faking resumes.
Or is it a rule that only experienced guys should work in SAP and not
freshers?
Regards,
Pavan

Pavan:
Most businesses will not make any investment in SAP resources until the worst of the recession is done, so expect a "wait, wait, wait, wait, hurry up" mindset to take control of the training market for all ERP, not just SAP. Once the demand returns, this will open the opportunity to those who would "fake" their CV. But, don't worry, most hiring authorities have seen this before, so those folks will in most cases be screened out appropriately.
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Regards,
Bill Morton

To All SAP (Certified) Freshers
In this forum, seniors have been guiding freshers (to SAP) on the importance
of experience in SAP.
Unfortunately, we find so many people undergoing SAP Training /
Certification from so called GENOVATEs and SIEMENs and then looking for
advice in this forum.
Certification does hold a value but until-unless you start from entry level
and gain experience in SAP, finding a break in SAP is not easy. With
recession around and lay-offs a reality, it will be really difficult for
non-sap experienced people to get into SAP.
GENOVATE DOES PROMISE A LOT OF THINGS, WHICH NEVER MATERIALIZEs in REALITY.
REMEMBER THEY ARE HERE TO MAKE MONEY and NOT YOUR CAREERs.
regards

My dear manoj,
i am suggesting you once again dear, dont wait for an sap carrier. Beacause
of 2 reasons . one is getting
a job in sap is a very tough and second is in this current situation ie
most companies are reducing
their strength because of project un availabilty. So search for a job where
u got most of your experience
Thankx
pradeep
faltu genovate abap certified - but not working on sap now

This responses in this forum is mainly for Guys and Gals who had already been certified and hanging around to find a SAP job.

Let me tell you my experience.

I got certified through Siemens, 03 years ago. Before enrolling myself, Siemens showed me the moon saying that with my kind of vast experience immediately after certification I will become a hot cake for any IT company practicing SAP. However the real picture came to light only after few months. We were six in the batch and none of us were given any assistance for getting a SAP job. They kept on asking us to be patient as no propspective employers were approaching them. I was really feeling that I was sort of raped by Siemens.
It does not mean that they never placed any certified guys. Those who got [placed were all lucky, in my opinion.

Finally for me to get into the SAP field it took me almost one year of persistant lookout for a prospective employer. I had to do it myself.

Take it from me, whatever Siemens / Genovate says is most of the times incorrect w.r.t job assistance. When most of the employers do their own homework for recruiting SAP consultants, how will Siemens/Genovate can offer jobs or even assist. They can only show their middle finger at the end of the day which is what happened in my case and my other batch mates.

With this I rest my case, You alone can find a SAP job; do not expect Siemns/Genovate to help you out in any way. They only know how to make their money by conducting certification courses.

My biggest concern here is HOW TO STOP ANYONE BEFORE GOING INTO SIEMENS/GENOVATE for doing a certification?. If this can be done, in my opinion, we have helped for a good cause.

Your ideas are welcome.

Cheers...........JK
Whatever we are talking in this forum is about the milk which has already spilt on the floor.

Let's find a way to save those people who want to invest in SAP by getting certifed and joining the big queue of certified SAP consultants hunting for a break.

In my view ,
1. In case you are doing certification and hoping for Siemens/Genovate to provide you job, it is mistake on your part.
In my view certification is only a head start and not get rich quick scheme. It is purely your capability to hit a job, I 'll always suggest if not finding yourself 'lucky' enuf to get an interview with implementation partners, chose end user comapnies to get an experience. There are plenty of them asking for you but on less pay.
2. Most of the individuals are not ready to come back to lesser salary than current ignoring long term gains (My salary was halved when i joined fresh as consultant but i took it, that was 5 yrs ago)
3. Know your capabilities well before choosing the SAP field, it is not an easy going one as it is percieved.
4. In market your knowledge on subject matters, not certification. During course of my work with various impl. partners, I have seen and rejected many experienced SAP consultants because of there lack of knowledge and have selected lesser experienced because of their grip on subject :-0
disclaimer - I am now into project mgmt (SAP) and do not do selection anymore).
Crux of the story- SAP is not good career for everybody, Know yourself and your capabilities well and do not land up blaming others (Siemenns, genovate, one who suggested SAP is good career).
Regards
Gobinder Sandhu
Project Manager (SAP HCM Projects)

I totally agree with what JK has to say. It is your own efforts and
perseverance that is going to pay off in the long run in any field of
endeavor. Training institutions make lots of promises to young and not so
experienced students, just to make sure that they will pay the bucks and
take the courses they have to offer. Here in the United States, very few
training institutions make such promises because if they fail to deliver,
there are some repercussions.
Hopefully, when this worldwide recession is over, things will improve for
everyone.
P.S.

It is unfortunate that some people do experience a lack of general understanding relating to job or requirements, and specific applicable analysis before they go into any educational courses. (Due diligence!!) There is always room for employment and contracts for those with degree's and how the SAP or any certification can be applied. With respect to world economies, there is a major dynamic shift going on from the old non-tech world to the new technologically advanced world that will have greater propensive allowances for those open to developing relationships, not just with people, but with processes. It is imperative to get certified and gain knowledge. Don't despair, keep current with understanding relative trends in business intelligence and analysis and when/where to apply your new skills in the workforce. How about creating or joining networks that will open doors instead of walking the narrow hallways to nowhere. Social networking, it's THE
concept to get real results.

Hey Sunny,
You said it right.
I think everything has its own time. All the freshers need to wait for the
BEST and RIGHT time when business bounces back in this coming year.
Goodluck to every one aspiring for SAP.

Dear Friend
In this section , many many time i have replied about the same question like
urs
ie "Certified from Genovate and not getting a job". My dear myself also a
certified
consultant from the "Worst" institute genovate and after 1 year of looking
for a change, i came to back to my
previous job and now i am happy with my job. I changed my mind now that my
2.5 lacs rupees stolen.
For all of the friends who are willing change their carrier in sap, if
urgent, u can do it from siemens.
Genovate is a worst sap training institute i have ever seen in my life,
coz..before joining they will be giving
lots of promises, but after certification, they even did'nt recognize the
students also. One more thing is
They dont have even good faculty. So please friends
convey this message to all of your friends who were willing to do sap from
genovate.
One more thing i just want to say that, if any one have good contacts in sap
projects implementation (not supporting)
companies, only they can take tthis course, otherwise just be happy where
ever you are and acquire experiece in your
own field beacause i have seen most guys after compleation of this course
they were doing trainee jobs for about one year without any salary and also
paying a huge amount for getting experiece.

Dear Guys,
I am in SAP from last 7 years. If any one is planning to do SAP course,
kindly prefere SAP or SIEMENS only, doing SAP course from other Institite is
just waisting of Time and Money. I am also SAP certified but I have done
through my company.
regards

Dear Sanjeev Kumar Tyagi,
Thanks for your good advise. I wish to speak with you personally to take some more guidance. Do you mind giving your contact phone (or skype name; my skype name is bvlu1937) . My email is bvlu37 at yahoo dot com.
Thanks b v lu

I would want to agree with those that say certification is not necessary.
It does not at all time determine whether you know SAP or not.
I have so many people where i work presently that are certified but could not use the system better than me.They still come to me for knowledge based on the 2 years hands on experience i have acqiured in my organisation.
It is quite unfortunate that the certification is very necessary which has to do with the terain where i am presently that beleive so much in the your paper certificate and not on what you can do.
In a nut shell, all comment here are correct,certification or no certification has to do with the environment where you are and most expecially for recruitment purpose.
many thank

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