My friend Peter who works in China told me last week that because salaries are rising in China, soon it will no longer be the place to have things made cheaply. That "honor" will soon fall upon "lesser" countries.

Keith, I was making a comparison between, say, SE mics, and Apple. SE can make things as shitty as they want. The stuff that comes from Apple has to meet a certain standard. Apple also has work practice standards for any factory that builds for them.

They say the heart of Rock & Roll is still beating, which is amazing if you consider all the blow it's done over the years.

"The Internet enables pompous blowhards to interact with other pompous blowhards in a big circle jerk of pomposity." - Bill Maher

"The negative aspects of this business, not only will continue to prevail, but will continue to accelerate in madness. Conditions aren't going to get better, because the economics of rock and roll are getting closer and closer to the economics of Big Business America." - Bill Graham

Music can make me get right up out of my chair and start dancing or it can get me so pumped up I have to walk around the block. It can also knock me back and make me sit there and cry like a little baby. This shit is as powerful as any drug!!! - Larry DeVivo

Music can make me get right up out of my chair and start dancing or it can get me so pumped up I have to walk around the block. It can also knock me back and make me sit there and cry like a little baby. This shit is as powerful as any drug!!! - Larry DeVivo

Keith, I was making a comparison between, say, SE mics, and Apple. SE can make things as shitty as they want. The stuff that comes from Apple has to meet a certain standard. Apple also has work practice standards for any factory that builds for them.

Excellent point, JJ. -An example which I'd overlooked, in fact.

I suppose that Apple brings sufficient 'muscle' to prevent the back-door problems, also.

Keith

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MDM (maxdimario) wrote on Fri, 16 November 2007 21:36

I have the feeling that I have more experience in my little finger than you do in your whole body about audio electronics..

"When we make music we don't do it in order to reach a certain point, such as the end of the composition. If that were the purpose of music then obviously the fastest players would be the best. Also, when we are dancing we are not aiming to arrive at a particular place on the floor as in a journey. When we dance, the journey itself is the point, as when we play music the playing itself is the point." -Alan Watts

I agree. I think that the Chinese could build something at any quality level which was required, as long as they were paid accordingly. People are going there to get cheap production, so that they can sell U47 wannabes cheaply here.

Now, whether the chinese have the ability in their engineering population to advance the state of the art, I don't know. Just from reading about it, SE electronics looks like it might be trying that.

from personal experience, they cant recreate the trafo thats inside a C414 for example, ..i know cause i send MY chinese contact a non-functional C414 of my own collection , they are trying to figure out how they made the capsules and the trafo's , the guy had to travel 2500km to pick it up personally normally you cant do that, he is very thankfull that i did ...

I agree. I think that the Chinese could build something at any quality level which was required, as long as they were paid accordingly. Now, whether the chinese have the ability in their engineering population to advance the state of the art, I don't know.

I am sure some of their engineers are able to advance the state of the art; they just don't have any motivation to do it.

why wouldnt they have any motivation to do that? the domestic market is a different market then what they sell to us, ..they can and are producing state of the art "products" , we just dont see it cause the export is simply build by the lowest bidder