My first post to the electro-music.com forum.
I'm a long time NM user, just got a G2 Engine for an incredibly low price and I'm really amazed by the number of improvements Clavia introduced with the new model.

Regarding this specific topic, I was wondering if anyone has used the following approach. It's very simple and quite un-sophisticated but I seem to get pretty good musical results out of it.

(I'm not in the studio right now, so I patched it from memory. It should work, but you never know...)

Basically I'm using the Random Trig module to create random rhythms/triggers for my sound sources (in this patch case a simple Osc Perc, playing against a steady kick drum simply used as a rhythm reference).

As expected the Prob knob controls the complexity of the pattern/number of triggers, and the lenght of the pattern is determined by the "Sync Every x" value in the Clock Generator.

Now the more interesting part: a constant value lets you decide the starting index point in the random triggers sequence of the Random Trig module so the musical result sounds a bit like repeating programmed patterns, instead of just a sequence of random values.

Any change to the constant value (pattern "number") gets triggered only at Rst points: I think that kind of regularity helps as well, musically.

This should already work pretty well by itself but I wanted to add some variation in the form of a really slow, unipolar, ascending LFO (reset at every Rst point, so it creates an always repeatable curve) that slowly increases the Prob value (through its modulation input) as the pattern is getting toward its end.

In musical terms that should create the effect of a "fill": the pattern gets busier toward the end of the pattern. You probably need to tweak the values a bit for the most convincing effect, mostly the balance between Prob, its modulation attenuator and the phase of the LFO (so its initial value after every Rst is not too high).

As I alreayd said, I'm totally new to the G2 so I'm completely open to suggestions about how to improve this method.

leo, will check your patch later when I get home, but reading you I get the idea that this a very usable strategy for patterns on the edge of order and chaos - and that's where the interesting stuff happens _________________Jan

I have been traveling on Vacation A this week - traveling from Vancouver Canada to Yellowstone park, and then to Oregon coast.

And I have had some time to patch while at 120km/h on the road in the motor home (no, I was not the one driving it, at the same time).

I have decided to try more random stuff (explore more modules), as I have been mainly focusing on sequencer/groove stuff in my explorations, as you may know ...

so here is a patch (on the G2 demo, make sure to run it slow at 84BPM) which I created while crossing from Idaho through Oregon sate (heading towards the beautiful Oregon coast). Bear with me, I am just beginning to use the rnd modules, and have not established a solid set of tricks yet.

So what I am exploring is not to throw the sequencer away, but rather use it to control the random modules and selecting how often the notes get played (thus the 1,2,3,4 clock dividers being selected with a random modulated mux).

Now, this patch does not evolve, and this, I gather involves thinking at even higher levels of abstraction (I'm thinking of slow moving LFO's or sequencers which control randomness, or envelopes which slowly open up and close certain parts.)

Any suggestions are very welcome. Any thoughts on the patch as well.
/Dasz

holy cow, I must admit I've been bad. I didn't really read all the posts in detail in this topic nor check out any of the patches prior to my patch experiment. I guess I tend to get the gist of what is being attempted and then I go with it.

And coincidentally the ideas I was trying are along the lines of what other tried. We are all so similar... us Nordists... except for Jan ...

Fiddled around some with cross modulated lfos. Cross modulated oscillators usually gives chaotic but nice results. It has 8 variations, and the rythm will often (but not always!) be different when you revisit a variation. Change phase modulation amp and phases for new rythms.

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