Comments on: Dana Altman deserves to be fired for mess at Oregonhttp://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2014/05/14/dana-altman-deserves-to-be-fired-for-mess-at-oregon/
College basketball news, features, opinion and everything else.Fri, 09 Dec 2016 14:16:23 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: melozanaggerhttp://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2014/05/14/dana-altman-deserves-to-be-fired-for-mess-at-oregon/comment-page-1/#comment-19730
Fri, 23 May 2014 07:22:39 +0000http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=496487#comment-19730Another jealous beaver, lol
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Tue, 20 May 2014 20:13:34 +0000http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=496487#comment-19684Well, you did call him ‘despicable’. How do you think that sounds?
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Tue, 20 May 2014 19:00:32 +0000http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=496487#comment-19681How original. You disagree with a Person (A,B or WHATEVER) so accuse you them of being on a “high horse.” How tolerant of you!
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Sun, 18 May 2014 00:53:59 +0000http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=496487#comment-19652How original. You attack Person A. Someone disagrees with you. Obviously, that person must be Person A, since no one else would disagree with you. How tolerant of you!
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Sat, 17 May 2014 23:38:03 +0000http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=496487#comment-19651Nice to hear from you, former “Coach” Altman.
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Sat, 17 May 2014 17:46:57 +0000http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=496487#comment-19648A despicable human being? Get off your high horse.
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Sat, 17 May 2014 02:39:14 +0000http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=496487#comment-19644Of course Altman must be fired. He is a despicable human being for bringing a sex offender under investigation, a SUSPENDED player, to the campus. And giving that offender a $40,000 education, combining him with other pack animals and letting them loose not only on the campus but throughout the nation as they REPRESENT the University. His actions put an ugly pall over the campus and puts a taint on the Oregon name worldwide. The Universities in the PAC-12 pride themselves in selecting fine young men and women scholar-athletes who will benefit from their education and represent themselves and their schools with dignity. Altman no longer deserves to represent the University across the nation. Phil Knight already withdrew Nike money and this is probably why. Shame on Oregon for keeping Altman. Rob Mullens should be fired for keeping Altman.
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Fri, 16 May 2014 20:48:39 +0000http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=496487#comment-19639The point is he should be fired for not telling the truth. As is often the case, not being truthful about what happened is often viewed far worse than what actually happened.

Just ask Lance Armstrong and A Rod.

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Fri, 16 May 2014 11:52:26 +0000http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=496487#comment-19632If they do fire Altman — and I’m not saying they should — who would replace him? Ben Howland?
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Fri, 16 May 2014 07:17:45 +0000http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=496487#comment-19631Fair enough, and thanks for responding. This is much better than your article, which dragged in stuff that (IMO) has no place in the discussion. The case that Altman lied is hard to make. If I believed he did, I’d want him gone, too.

Austin — you say everyone in basketball circles knew, but I don’t know if that is true. There’s 3000 miles between the two schools. Oregon played no one in eastern circles after Austin was suspended, so no private chats after games with other coaches who might have known. So I don’t buy that “he must have known.” I certainly do buy that he didn’t have sufficient “due diligence” on Austin, but I don’t think that’s a firing offense. Austin went to Oregon mid-year, during the basketball season, when Altman was undoubtedly more focused on game prep than investigating a recruit. Too quick to take what Cooley said at face value, absolutely. He knew and he lied? Very, very hard to prove, and I’m not sure it is as likely as you think it is.

Yeah, I’m an Oregon fan. But not while Joseph Young is on the team (read the police report, if you haven’t). The whole thing turns my stomach.

But I don’t see the obvious mistake of recruiting Austin as grounds for firing unless it’s a pattern.

And the rest just doesn’t fly. To refer to Altman’s bonus is, IMO, completely unacceptable. He couldn’t ask questions and he had to play his normal rotation to avoid jeopardizing a potential prosecution. It had nothing to do with a bonus, and it’s reprehensible to suggest it did. I know you didn’t invent that, you picked that up from Steve Duin, who disgraced himself with that argument. I think Duin is usually better than that. Too bad.

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Thu, 15 May 2014 21:39:39 +0000http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=496487#comment-19622Believe it or not, I actually agree with many of the points that you are making here. My biggest issue doesn’t center around whether or not these guys were suspended. It’s complicated, but I do believe in due process. Innocent until proven guilty and all.

My issue, as I wrote, is that there is simply no way that Altman was unaware of the accusations against Austin from Providence. It doesn’t matter what Cooley or Providence will cop to saying. Everyone in basketball circles knew, so either Altman was untruthful in the press conference or he was willfully ignorant to a very serious allegation against a kid he was trying to bring to campus.

And when you bring a kid with an accusation hanging over his head to campus and he gets accused of the same thing within two months of being on campus, you CANNOT hide behind a claim that you were unaware of something that was not a secret. You HAVE to answer for that, either the risk you took bringing him in or the fact that you didn’t do your due diligence.

And if he’s willing to lie, as I strongly believe he is, to coverup one thing, how can we sit here and trust everything else they are asking us to believe?

I’ll admit: you make a very good case. I just disagree, and believe me when I tell you that I — we, CBT, my bosses and editors — didn’t take publishing this lightly. I know what I’m saying here.

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Thu, 15 May 2014 18:09:17 +0000http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=496487#comment-19607Who cares if you’re buying it or not?
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Thu, 15 May 2014 16:55:42 +0000http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=496487#comment-19606Allegedly and ” not charged ” are not reasons to ruin young people’s lives. I feel for the female, but she knew what she was doing and so did the young men….

I would actually like to hear the author’s response to the above comment. Yeah the guy is an Oregon fan but he made a hell of a lot of good points.

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Thu, 15 May 2014 07:58:29 +0000http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=496487#comment-19598Absolute rubbish. The police didn’t want the players tipped off that they were under investigation. If Altman decides his “want to know” is more important than that, he jeopardizes the police investigation and the chance for a conviction. Then people would say he should be fired because by talking he helped his players dodge a rape charge. Wouldn’t that be great?

Both Altman and the university president affirmed that Altman did not even know who the players were, and that the police >did not want them asking questions.

Do the police care who played in a game? No. That does not at all contradict the statement that the police told them to behave normally. Are the police denying that they told the university to behave normally? If they deny it, then you’ve got a case. Have you asked the police whether the university timeline and its characterizations of communications with police is accurate or not? Until you’ve done that, you don’t have a leg to stand on.

What do you want Altman to have done? Suspend the whole team? Ask them which of them raped a girl last week? Tip them off to the investigation?

Part of the police investigation was having the girl call these guys and talk to them about certain things while secretly recording them. You can’t do that if the guys know they are under investigation.

People talk as if the basketball games, and who played in them, was the most important thing. The most important thing was justice — trying to ascertain whether or not a crime had really taken place, and getting a conviction if it could be proven. You don’t jeopardize any of that just because a coach “wants to know” or to make basketball fans feel better about the players who were playing.

As for the Austin transfer, you MAY have a point there. But you are a reporter. Have you done your investigation? What are the rules at Providence about internal investigations? Could anyone tell Altman what was going on with that? What about the state laws? If he asked someone, would he have been told? Could he have been told?

Maybe somebody told you about it, but obviously off-the-record, since you didn’t report it. If Providence tells Altman, can Austin sue them for breach of privacy, etc? Do you know the answers to those questions? If you don’t know, then for all you know, it might have been impossible for Altman to find out. Should he have asked more questions? Maybe. But maybe it was impossible for him to get more answers anyway. He says they didn’t tell him. Ask them if they did.

He says they said they wanted Austin back. Ask them if they did. Seems like they are keeping his buddy who was also accused, so probably they did want Austin back.

If you are a reporter, you might actually check some of these things before calling for someone to lose his job. That’s a pretty significant thing to do, to fire someone. It impacts a lot of people. You want to make sure you are doing it for good reason, not simply because people are unhappy about something. I’m more unhappy about this whole thing than you are, probably, because I’m a Duck. But I don’t want a decent guy to lose his job unless he actually deserves it, and you’ve far from made the case.

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Thu, 15 May 2014 05:43:50 +0000http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=496487#comment-19597Bringing up the players minutes and statistics in this is seriously tone deaf.

Don’t know if he should be fired, particularly if the kids aren’t charged, but the kids should have been suspended pending investigation. At worst it’s really doing his job as a college head coach and sending a message and taking a stand for the program by suspending them regardless of the point of the season they were in. If it turns out that Altman actively hid information or lied to the police or his AD or anything totally illegal or breached his contract calling for him to be fired is a bit premature.

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Thu, 15 May 2014 01:54:50 +0000http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=496487#comment-19588Oregon deserves him.
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Thu, 15 May 2014 00:39:30 +0000http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=496487#comment-19587I know coach Altman and know he is a good man and a great coach. These attacks are aggressive and extreme. As noted, they werent charged so any suspension would have been premature. Innocent until proven guilty has been lost too often in the sport community.

I dont think he should be fired but do think they have done things that are out of character. He can adjust and be perfectly fine.

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Thu, 15 May 2014 00:31:14 +0000http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=496487#comment-19586No arrests, no need to tarnish these children for life with a false rape allegation.
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Wed, 14 May 2014 22:21:30 +0000http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=496487#comment-19583STOP! No way Altman should be fired. You honestly think all of this was for a bonus? Acting like these were key rotational players. Both guys, who were eligible, were falling out of the rotation.

The kids were NOT charged. If you read the police report they shouldn’t be charged either. The victim had two different stories and slept with Artis/Joe Young the following day. All of the kids in this situation lives are RUINED. Yet you want more blood. Sick human being.