“Now that Larry Coyer (pictured) has spent a season relying too much on the blitz (2005) and a season relying too much on the front four to generate pressure (’06), can we finally look forward to ’07 as a season where he can find a happy medium?”

Reported Williamson: “Coyer met with Broncos head coach Mike Shanahan late Monday night and again early today, at which time he was told he was fired.”

The defense’s failure to halt fourth-quarter drives late in the season was a hot topic in this here blog during the final weeks of the regular season. Scroll down to comment on the firing and its timing.

ONE DOWN, A FEW TO GO? THE BRONCOS DOWNFALL, ESSENTIALLY SINCE THE END OF THE ELWAY ERA, HAS BEEN PREDICTABILITY, WHICH IS WHY THEY CAN NEVER HOLD A LEAD OR COME FROM BEHIND IN THE FOURTH. AND THAT IS ALL COACHING. WE HAVE THE TALENT TO GO TO THE SHOW. THE COACHING NEEDS A MAJOR SHAKE-UP, FROM THE TOP DOWN.

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ONE DOWN, A FEW TO GO? THE BRONCOS DOWNFALL, ESSENTIALLY SINCE THE END OF THE ELWAY ERA, HAS BEEN PREDICTABILITY, WHICH IS WHY THEY CAN NEVER HOLD A LEAD OR COME FROM BEHIND IN THE FOURTH. AND THAT IS ALL COACHING. WE HAVE THE TALENT TO GO TO THE SHOW. THE COACHING NEEDS A MAJOR SHAKE-UP, FROM THE TOP DOWN.

Oscar

Comes as a bit of a surprise. Only because I expected corrective action on the offence to preceede any on the defense.

Oscar

Comes as a bit of a surprise. Only because I expected corrective action on the offence to preceede any on the defense.

Anonymous

overdue

Orange Crush

I believe this was the right decision by Shanahan. Coyer’s “no rush” play calling was too consistent resulting in the performance of the Defense to become inconsistent. Coyer had problems last year with blitzing too much, since the lose to the Steelers in the Championship game he hasn’t blitzed at all. Obviously a change needed to happen.

Anonymous

overdue

Orange Crush

I believe this was the right decision by Shanahan. Coyer’s “no rush” play calling was too consistent resulting in the performance of the Defense to become inconsistent. Coyer had problems last year with blitzing too much, since the lose to the Steelers in the Championship game he hasn’t blitzed at all. Obviously a change needed to happen.

http://pawlowskipa.com/ Vince P

At some point, Shanny will run out of scapegoats. Coyer wasn’t the greatest..but when a defense is constantly on the field because of inept play calling and under-performing offensive schemes, something has to go–and it won’t be the Mastermind. Bolen needs a reality check. Too bad the Gators found a good coach.

http://pawlowskipa.com Vince P

At some point, Shanny will run out of scapegoats. Coyer wasn’t the greatest..but when a defense is constantly on the field because of inept play calling and under-performing offensive schemes, something has to go–and it won’t be the Mastermind. Bolen needs a reality check. Too bad the Gators found a good coach.

Justin

I was somewhat surprised by the news, but I do agree that it was probably time for a change. I never understood why it had to be either constant blitzing or no blitzing at all. It seems as though there was no element of surprise to our defense. With that said, a excellent pass rusher or two will help our D a lot more than a new coordinator.

Justin

I was somewhat surprised by the news, but I do agree that it was probably time for a change. I never understood why it had to be either constant blitzing or no blitzing at all. It seems as though there was no element of surprise to our defense. With that said, a excellent pass rusher or two will help our D a lot more than a new coordinator.

Mark Mascarenas

Nice guy, I feel bad for him. We need an aggressive guy in the mode of Greg Robinson or the Eagles Jimmy Johnson. I would love to see the talent and speed we have in a Greg Robinson style D.

Mark Mascarenas

Nice guy, I feel bad for him. We need an aggressive guy in the mode of Greg Robinson or the Eagles Jimmy Johnson. I would love to see the talent and speed we have in a Greg Robinson style D.

http://www.thestrugglingphotographer.com/ Mojo Yugen

“I expected corrective action on the offence to preceede any on the defense”

Corrective action was already taken on offense. Remember that Jake guy?

http://www.thestrugglingphotographer.com Mojo Yugen

“I expected corrective action on the offence to preceede any on the defense”

Corrective action was already taken on offense. Remember that Jake guy?

Wesley

This was definitely the right decision by Shanny. Coyer was way too rigid on game day, refusing to try something different when his plan wasn’t working. Refusing to bring more than 4 against Manning was ridiculous. There aren’t too many teams with 2 great DEs but most of the teams in the league got more pressure than the Broncos. With Dumervil, the athleticism at linebacker, and Bailey taking away half the field there was no excuse to get as little pressure on the QB as they did. They could definitely use a dominant pass rusher, but a change of scheme would be just as good. The idea that this is Shanahan’s fault is ludicrous. Find a better coach in the NFL. You MIGHT find some as good, but none better.

JAMES

It is about time the broncos made this move.I think they need to the same with the offensive coordinator.Then the special teams coach needs to go.

Wesley

This was definitely the right decision by Shanny. Coyer was way too rigid on game day, refusing to try something different when his plan wasn’t working. Refusing to bring more than 4 against Manning was ridiculous. There aren’t too many teams with 2 great DEs but most of the teams in the league got more pressure than the Broncos. With Dumervil, the athleticism at linebacker, and Bailey taking away half the field there was no excuse to get as little pressure on the QB as they did. They could definitely use a dominant pass rusher, but a change of scheme would be just as good. The idea that this is Shanahan’s fault is ludicrous. Find a better coach in the NFL. You MIGHT find some as good, but none better.

http://GOOGLE JAMES

It is about time the broncos made this move.I think they need to the same with the offensive coordinator.Then the special teams coach needs to go.

broncobru

good move, Coyer didn’t pressure opposing QB’s when he needed to and failed miserably against the run late in the season, but, this team needs another big man beside Warren and a solid CB to compliment Bailey or else this defence is in deep you know what.

broncobru

good move, Coyer didn’t pressure opposing QB’s when he needed to and failed miserably against the run late in the season, but, this team needs another big man beside Warren and a solid CB to compliment Bailey or else this defence is in deep you know what.

RJ

Funny, up until the Colts game, Coyer was being called a genius, now he’s the scapegoat! The offensive coordinator should be next!

RJ

Funny, up until the Colts game, Coyer was being called a genius, now he’s the scapegoat! The offensive coordinator should be next!

Pat

How much better would the Broncos D had been with a healthy Trevor Pryce?

Pat

How much better would the Broncos D had been with a healthy Trevor Pryce?

Brent

Does anyone know who could be on the list of prospective replacements and/or if the new hire is going to come from in-house or from the outside?

http://DenverPost Brent

Does anyone know who could be on the list of prospective replacements and/or if the new hire is going to come from in-house or from the outside?

Jay

Good Move. But, with the Bronco’s recent history with Defensive coordinators (revolving door) what is the likelyhood of landing the cream of the crop? I for one still have a lot of confidence in Shanahan.

Jay

Good Move. But, with the Bronco’s recent history with Defensive coordinators (revolving door) what is the likelyhood of landing the cream of the crop? I for one still have a lot of confidence in Shanahan.

Glenskinner

Good move, Coyer never made adjustments during the game. I think he should have been fired just for the simple fact he was the linebacker coach before the d-coordinator and yet the Broncos linebackers make fewer impact plays than most linebackers in the league yet all we hear about is how fast and good they are. D.J. Williams has been a wasted draft pick because of Coyer’s schemes.

Glenskinner

Good move, Coyer never made adjustments during the game. I think he should have been fired just for the simple fact he was the linebacker coach before the d-coordinator and yet the Broncos linebackers make fewer impact plays than most linebackers in the league yet all we hear about is how fast and good they are. D.J. Williams has been a wasted draft pick because of Coyer’s schemes.

Johnny

All you guys are jack asses. It aint Coyer’s fault. He is cooking with someone else’s ingredients.

He didn’t have a pass rusher and last years experiment of bringing 8 and 9 guys didn’t work, i.e. the Pittsburg game.

And it wasn’t plummer’s fault either. His running mates were worse than any of the playoff teams. Yes even the Jets, compare RB Tatum Bell, that Oline, Tight End and group of receivers on to any team in the playoffs.

Wake up Denver, Shannahan is trying to win games with mediocre talent.

Why does everyone think that benching a quarterback and firing a coach is going to solve all the world’s football problems.

Bring back Kubiak that would be a start. Our offensive play calling stunk without him.

Johnny

All you guys are jack asses. It aint Coyer’s fault. He is cooking with someone else’s ingredients.

He didn’t have a pass rusher and last years experiment of bringing 8 and 9 guys didn’t work, i.e. the Pittsburg game.

And it wasn’t plummer’s fault either. His running mates were worse than any of the playoff teams. Yes even the Jets, compare RB Tatum Bell, that Oline, Tight End and group of receivers on to any team in the playoffs.

Wake up Denver, Shannahan is trying to win games with mediocre talent.

Why does everyone think that benching a quarterback and firing a coach is going to solve all the world’s football problems.

Bring back Kubiak that would be a start. Our offensive play calling stunk without him.

DVD

Coyer was a good coach with good schemes but his major dawback was his inability to make adjustments. Once the opposing team’s offense figured out our D, they’d expose it (which is why the defense was so good early and so bad late) and Coyer never made his own adjustments to counter this. It’s like he would stick with a game plan regardles of what was actually going on in this game. You always have to be able to make changes because the opposing team definitely will be.

DVD

Coyer was a good coach with good schemes but his major dawback was his inability to make adjustments. Once the opposing team’s offense figured out our D, they’d expose it (which is why the defense was so good early and so bad late) and Coyer never made his own adjustments to counter this. It’s like he would stick with a game plan regardles of what was actually going on in this game. You always have to be able to make changes because the opposing team definitely will be.

Greg

Absolutely the lack of adjustments as the game went on was the problem.

Even in the last game against a poor 9ers team we had them almost shut out (and if they fall on a fumble it would have been a shut out) in the first half. Second half, they moved the ball up and down the field. We held them to field goals mostly, but obviously the other team made adjustments and we couldn’t keep up.

Indy, San Diego (at home), Seattle and the 9ers… all with 7 points or less at halftime.

Some of that was probably getting tired, but most was one team seeing holes, and Coyer unable to fix them.

Obviously, the talent was there, because you don’t dominate like they did without the talent.

Yes, the offense needed to be better to give them more rest and score more points. Yes you can pick 4 or 5 games that we could have put away with one more drive… but your D has to make a stop to preserve leads and they didn’t against Indy, SD, Seattle, Cincy, or SF… add Pittsburgh to that cause their sloppy play stopped themselves.

At the point a team has scored on you 4-5 straight drives, could you try to change up a bit?

Hey, I know we had some injuries and definitely need a couple pass rushers, but we have the best corner in the league by far and one the best linebacking corps. There’s plenty of talent around them… you gotta be able to come up with a better scheme than rush 4 and drop into a soft zone.

Ian Gold is the fastest linebacker in the league… he can’t disrupt other teams like a Merriman? You can’t design blitzes to get him coming free on a qb?

Coyer is a great guy, and he comes into games with good game plans, but you need to adjust and he either was unable or unwilling.

DVD

I hope the replacement comes from outside. They need someone with a fresh perspective who is known for defense.

TLynch

I am glad to see Coyer go. I can’t count how many times I was enraged when after halftime the opposing team would “adjust” the game plan to attack our defense and Coyer would continue doing the same play calling the entire day. We need someone who will ADAPT to the game as it transpires.

Greg

Absolutely the lack of adjustments as the game went on was the problem.

Even in the last game against a poor 9ers team we had them almost shut out (and if they fall on a fumble it would have been a shut out) in the first half. Second half, they moved the ball up and down the field. We held them to field goals mostly, but obviously the other team made adjustments and we couldn’t keep up.

Indy, San Diego (at home), Seattle and the 9ers… all with 7 points or less at halftime.

Some of that was probably getting tired, but most was one team seeing holes, and Coyer unable to fix them.

Obviously, the talent was there, because you don’t dominate like they did without the talent.

Yes, the offense needed to be better to give them more rest and score more points. Yes you can pick 4 or 5 games that we could have put away with one more drive… but your D has to make a stop to preserve leads and they didn’t against Indy, SD, Seattle, Cincy, or SF… add Pittsburgh to that cause their sloppy play stopped themselves.

At the point a team has scored on you 4-5 straight drives, could you try to change up a bit?

Hey, I know we had some injuries and definitely need a couple pass rushers, but we have the best corner in the league by far and one the best linebacking corps. There’s plenty of talent around them… you gotta be able to come up with a better scheme than rush 4 and drop into a soft zone.

Ian Gold is the fastest linebacker in the league… he can’t disrupt other teams like a Merriman? You can’t design blitzes to get him coming free on a qb?

Coyer is a great guy, and he comes into games with good game plans, but you need to adjust and he either was unable or unwilling.

DVD

I hope the replacement comes from outside. They need someone with a fresh perspective who is known for defense.

TLynch

I am glad to see Coyer go. I can’t count how many times I was enraged when after halftime the opposing team would “adjust” the game plan to attack our defense and Coyer would continue doing the same play calling the entire day. We need someone who will ADAPT to the game as it transpires.

Bill

WOW!! I’ve been saying it all year! It needed to be done. Even when we were not allowing points, we were allowing yardage all over the place. All we needed to be was exposed once and then everyone would have our number… BINGO!! Good luck to Larry, but we need new blood. We should NOT promote from within!

Bill

WOW!! I’ve been saying it all year! It needed to be done. Even when we were not allowing points, we were allowing yardage all over the place. All we needed to be was exposed once and then everyone would have our number… BINGO!! Good luck to Larry, but we need new blood. We should NOT promote from within!

DBRONCOS1

I hope the special teams coach is next. This had to be the worst case of special teams the NFL has seen in the last 25 years. I think the offense will be back next year, with Cutler and the coaches having had a year to work together and hopefully a new stud at RB. I agree, we need to look outside and get some fresh ideas in here.

DBRONCOS1

I hope the special teams coach is next. This had to be the worst case of special teams the NFL has seen in the last 25 years. I think the offense will be back next year, with Cutler and the coaches having had a year to work together and hopefully a new stud at RB. I agree, we need to look outside and get some fresh ideas in here.

Rene Rosales

Hopefully Miami will hire a new head coach soon. Who will bring in his own assistants. Then that could give the Broncos a chance to hire Dom Capers. I think he would be a good fit.

Rene Rosales

Hopefully Miami will hire a new head coach soon. Who will bring in his own assistants. Then that could give the Broncos a chance to hire Dom Capers. I think he would be a good fit.

Brent

This was a move that had to be made. The defense clearly regressed this season, and we were severly outcoached on the defensive side of the ball in all 4 home losses this season. There was no innovation or disguise to our blitzes, we either brought 7 to the line and blitzed everyone or rushed 4 (sometimes even three, are you kidding me?) and opposing QB’s had no problem reading our defense. We especially got conservative at crunch time, and when you coach scared you play scared. Don’t get me wrong, we must try and get a premier defensive end through free agency and/or the draft (I’d do both)in order to generate pressure with our D-Line, but better schemes will also help create pressure. I’m not too crazy about Mora Jr., his defense in Atlanta didn’t impress me in the least bit. I think LeBeau would be a great pickup, but that would mean a big time overhaul in personel, since he runs the 3-4 and we have 4-3 personnel at this point. After watching the game last night, I wouldn’t mind having Florida’s D-Coordinator come abord, they had a great scheme and the blitzes were well disguised and timed.

Brent

This was a move that had to be made. The defense clearly regressed this season, and we were severly outcoached on the defensive side of the ball in all 4 home losses this season. There was no innovation or disguise to our blitzes, we either brought 7 to the line and blitzed everyone or rushed 4 (sometimes even three, are you kidding me?) and opposing QB’s had no problem reading our defense. We especially got conservative at crunch time, and when you coach scared you play scared. Don’t get me wrong, we must try and get a premier defensive end through free agency and/or the draft (I’d do both)in order to generate pressure with our D-Line, but better schemes will also help create pressure. I’m not too crazy about Mora Jr., his defense in Atlanta didn’t impress me in the least bit. I think LeBeau would be a great pickup, but that would mean a big time overhaul in personel, since he runs the 3-4 and we have 4-3 personnel at this point. After watching the game last night, I wouldn’t mind having Florida’s D-Coordinator come abord, they had a great scheme and the blitzes were well disguised and timed.

Rich

Coyer was a good coach but if you go back to last season in the early part, the players were arguing that the schemes were to complicated for them to apply in game time situations. If you ask most players what makes a good coach, somewhere on the list they will tell you that the coach has to be willing to listen to the players, not always doing what the players want but leaving the line of communication open. If you know someone that doesn’t communicate you’ll eventually give up on them and move on. I feel that there was probably a some trash talking after games by the players and perhaps other coaches, placing blame on Coyer. This can not happen at this level, you have to keep you’re players happy by communicating with them and if they are questioning their coaches ability to make sound decisions when the game is on the line, things will happen and the SF game was a good example of that. I’ll be a Bronco fan forever and I can’t wait for next year!!!

Rich

Coyer was a good coach but if you go back to last season in the early part, the players were arguing that the schemes were to complicated for them to apply in game time situations. If you ask most players what makes a good coach, somewhere on the list they will tell you that the coach has to be willing to listen to the players, not always doing what the players want but leaving the line of communication open. If you know someone that doesn’t communicate you’ll eventually give up on them and move on. I feel that there was probably a some trash talking after games by the players and perhaps other coaches, placing blame on Coyer. This can not happen at this level, you have to keep you’re players happy by communicating with them and if they are questioning their coaches ability to make sound decisions when the game is on the line, things will happen and the SF game was a good example of that. I’ll be a Bronco fan forever and I can’t wait for next year!!!

Goose

Time to bring back the 3-4 defense. We need 4 linebackers, and a big nose tackle. We’re on the 4-3 defense right? maybe I got them ixed up, sorry if I am.
Anyway, we were pretty effective, or at least consistent back in the days when we had Greg Kragen at NT, Mecklenburg, Fletcher, Rulon Jones, and what not. Right now we don’t have enough physical guys upfront to pressure the QB.
The offense play calling this year was atrocious. It made Dan Reeves look like an aggressive play caller. Lol!
We needed to use our tight ends, and full backs a lot more than we did. We need a big bacl. I can’t believe we let Ron Dayne, and Mike Anderson go. We missed those guys in a big way!

Goose

Time to bring back the 3-4 defense. We need 4 linebackers, and a big nose tackle. We’re on the 4-3 defense right? maybe I got them ixed up, sorry if I am.
Anyway, we were pretty effective, or at least consistent back in the days when we had Greg Kragen at NT, Mecklenburg, Fletcher, Rulon Jones, and what not. Right now we don’t have enough physical guys upfront to pressure the QB.
The offense play calling this year was atrocious. It made Dan Reeves look like an aggressive play caller. Lol!
We needed to use our tight ends, and full backs a lot more than we did. We need a big bacl. I can’t believe we let Ron Dayne, and Mike Anderson go. We missed those guys in a big way!

Bill

Good schemes? Not Coyers fault? When all you do is play prevent defense all game and you don’t change it up, it seems like that is the responsibility of the Defensive Coordinator. Not the offense, not the special teams, etc. For those who are trying to blam others, here is a question. Why were we leading in all those home games, just to eventually lose? It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know that answer. Quit complaining of benching Jake and quit blaming the offense. The offense has gotten nothing but better since Jay and company have taken over. The defense has only gotten worse. We’ve been giving up yards from game one and everyone who has watched our team knew that eventually we would be expoited. We got lucky during the first part of the season. It finally caught up to us and that finally caught up with Coyer.

Bill

Good schemes? Not Coyers fault? When all you do is play prevent defense all game and you don’t change it up, it seems like that is the responsibility of the Defensive Coordinator. Not the offense, not the special teams, etc. For those who are trying to blam others, here is a question. Why were we leading in all those home games, just to eventually lose? It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know that answer. Quit complaining of benching Jake and quit blaming the offense. The offense has gotten nothing but better since Jay and company have taken over. The defense has only gotten worse. We’ve been giving up yards from game one and everyone who has watched our team knew that eventually we would be expoited. We got lucky during the first part of the season. It finally caught up to us and that finally caught up with Coyer.

DVD

Good point, Rene! Yes, I agree that Dom Capers would be an awesome pick up for the Broncos as a D-Coordinator. That’s exactly the type of coach I was talking about — someone from the outside who’s a renowned defensive specialist.

DVD

Good point, Rene! Yes, I agree that Dom Capers would be an awesome pick up for the Broncos as a D-Coordinator. That’s exactly the type of coach I was talking about — someone from the outside who’s a renowned defensive specialist.

joe

Long overdue. Obviously, we do not have a good DE, but the rest of the D-roster is stacked with talent. Coyer’s black and white mentality when it came to blitzing was ridiculous. We should have had no problem catching people off guard with our linebackers. His unwillingness or inability to adjust in the middle of a game killed us. If they pick on Foxworth or D-Will (RIP), bring an extra man over to help him. Of course we need to upgrade at DE, but there are a lot of teams with our situation who manage to get more pressure.

joe

Long overdue. Obviously, we do not have a good DE, but the rest of the D-roster is stacked with talent. Coyer’s black and white mentality when it came to blitzing was ridiculous. We should have had no problem catching people off guard with our linebackers. His unwillingness or inability to adjust in the middle of a game killed us. If they pick on Foxworth or D-Will (RIP), bring an extra man over to help him. Of course we need to upgrade at DE, but there are a lot of teams with our situation who manage to get more pressure.

BVille Bronco

I agree with the move. Making adjustments as the game went on really seemed to be a problem. With that said though, shouldnâ€™t the house cleaning have started with the special teams coach or coaches? The Broncos had the worst special teams (minus Jason Elam) Iâ€™ve seen in a long time. And as much as I like Keith Burns and a few of the older players that have contributed on special teams over the yearsâ€”â€œEvery dog HAD itâ€™s day.â€? Letâ€™s move on with some younger, faster and more athletic talent. Also, everyone is talking about how great of a job Paul Ernster didâ€”I disagree. Kick offs were consistently short of the goal line and he didnâ€™t really play a big role in helping our average starting field position. I really question that move. $$$ I guess

BVille Bronco

I agree with the move. Making adjustments as the game went on really seemed to be a problem. With that said though, shouldnâ€™t the house cleaning have started with the special teams coach or coaches? The Broncos had the worst special teams (minus Jason Elam) Iâ€™ve seen in a long time. And as much as I like Keith Burns and a few of the older players that have contributed on special teams over the yearsâ€”â€œEvery dog HAD itâ€™s day.â€? Letâ€™s move on with some younger, faster and more athletic talent. Also, everyone is talking about how great of a job Paul Ernster didâ€”I disagree. Kick offs were consistently short of the goal line and he didnâ€™t really play a big role in helping our average starting field position. I really question that move. $$$ I guess

Will

Ditto on “overdue” and “special teamss coach should be next”

Will

Ditto on “overdue” and “special teamss coach should be next”

Jerome Fort Collins

Shanahan is in damage-control mode, trying to distract fans’ attention from his own sorry offensive play calling and the benching of Plummer, among other lousy, ego-maniacle based bad decisions he made beginning during summer training camp. Who does Shanny think he is? The offensive line was marginal before injuries thinned it out, and a marginal line will only do so much for a heard of marginal running backs, but Mike thinks his “genius” will somehow manifest inself within the legs of average running backs and propel them to great heights and distances. However, Tatum and Mike are not the answer even with a healthy line. Tatum gets off the bus injuring his toes, and Mike Bell, the Man of the two, only offers relief hitting when the feature back, which we don’t have, begins to tire out in the second half. The tight end is also a weakness, and Shanahan and the O-coordiantor emphasized this by practically eliminating play calls to the TE until late season when Scheffler began to come on. The wide receiver corps is also pretty maligned. Walker has shown flashes of what once was, Smith should religate himself to a number three spot, and the rookies and free agents don’t seem to respond to Shanahan’s uptight disciplinary tactics. The defensive line is sad, just plain sad. When Shanahan needed professional builders and contractors to put it together, he instead called Labor Ready and picked up a couple shaky guys hanging out at the Kwiky Mart. They had no push on run or pass plays, half of them got hurt and the other half couldn’t make up for it. As I’ve been saying for four years now, we need a wildman DE either through the draft or free agency, as well as a bubba in the middle who at all times requires a double team and a game plan to stop. The special teams is like a pack of boys and old men, trying to put up a fight when the war has already been lost. Isn’t it Shanahan who is ultimately responsible for this, for all that is wrong with the Broncos? Hasn’t he been the genius behind the piece-meal dismantling of a once-great organization, just sitting there at the top watching his legacy pass him by at crappy parade speed, smiling the whole time waving bye bye to the should have beens and could have beens. Shanahan needs to go. Bowlan should fire Shanahan and hire Holmgren, put a little piss and vinegar back into the organization, and free the organization from Shanahan’s uptight disciplinarian coaching style where his cheeks are puckered so tight you couldn’t pull a toothpick out of his ass with a tractor. The worse Shanahan does as a coach, the tighter he gets, the more uptight the team gets, the easier it is for them to shatter at the slightest bump in the road.

Jerome Fort Collins

Shanahan is in damage-control mode, trying to distract fans’ attention from his own sorry offensive play calling and the benching of Plummer, among other lousy, ego-maniacle based bad decisions he made beginning during summer training camp. Who does Shanny think he is? The offensive line was marginal before injuries thinned it out, and a marginal line will only do so much for a heard of marginal running backs, but Mike thinks his “genius” will somehow manifest inself within the legs of average running backs and propel them to great heights and distances. However, Tatum and Mike are not the answer even with a healthy line. Tatum gets off the bus injuring his toes, and Mike Bell, the Man of the two, only offers relief hitting when the feature back, which we don’t have, begins to tire out in the second half. The tight end is also a weakness, and Shanahan and the O-coordiantor emphasized this by practically eliminating play calls to the TE until late season when Scheffler began to come on. The wide receiver corps is also pretty maligned. Walker has shown flashes of what once was, Smith should religate himself to a number three spot, and the rookies and free agents don’t seem to respond to Shanahan’s uptight disciplinary tactics. The defensive line is sad, just plain sad. When Shanahan needed professional builders and contractors to put it together, he instead called Labor Ready and picked up a couple shaky guys hanging out at the Kwiky Mart. They had no push on run or pass plays, half of them got hurt and the other half couldn’t make up for it. As I’ve been saying for four years now, we need a wildman DE either through the draft or free agency, as well as a bubba in the middle who at all times requires a double team and a game plan to stop. The special teams is like a pack of boys and old men, trying to put up a fight when the war has already been lost. Isn’t it Shanahan who is ultimately responsible for this, for all that is wrong with the Broncos? Hasn’t he been the genius behind the piece-meal dismantling of a once-great organization, just sitting there at the top watching his legacy pass him by at crappy parade speed, smiling the whole time waving bye bye to the should have beens and could have beens. Shanahan needs to go. Bowlan should fire Shanahan and hire Holmgren, put a little piss and vinegar back into the organization, and free the organization from Shanahan’s uptight disciplinarian coaching style where his cheeks are puckered so tight you couldn’t pull a toothpick out of his ass with a tractor. The worse Shanahan does as a coach, the tighter he gets, the more uptight the team gets, the easier it is for them to shatter at the slightest bump in the road.

Mark

Ron Rivera sounds great!!

Mark

Ron Rivera sounds great!!

Jerome Ft. Collins

I meant to say hire Bill Cowher, not Holmgren (who still has a job)

Jerome Ft. Collins

I meant to say hire Bill Cowher, not Holmgren (who still has a job)

jeff

Coyer is Shanahan’s scapegoat. Shanahan should be the one to go and take responsibility for the team’s failure. I imagine there is a good college program looking for a deceit head coach.

jeff

Coyer is Shanahan’s scapegoat. Shanahan should be the one to go and take responsibility for the team’s failure. I imagine there is a good college program looking for a deceit head coach.

James

Good move. Guy had ZERO clue on how to use our uber-quick LBs effectively, and couldn’t adjust when needed, among other things.

How about Dennis Green, or Mora Jr to replace him?

To all you “Fire Shanahan” people: just give me 2 names (NOT college coaches, they don’t work out- See Nick Saban for latest example) that’ll be better than Shanahan, right now or within a year or so. That’s all I want. Just 2 names.

Otherwise, save it please.

Weinerville

Gouda cheese is good

Rick

about time!! the inability to adjust will not make it in the league today. players and coaches are too smart. time for us to catch up!!

James

Good move. Guy had ZERO clue on how to use our uber-quick LBs effectively, and couldn’t adjust when needed, among other things.

How about Dennis Green, or Mora Jr to replace him?

To all you “Fire Shanahan” people: just give me 2 names (NOT college coaches, they don’t work out- See Nick Saban for latest example) that’ll be better than Shanahan, right now or within a year or so. That’s all I want. Just 2 names.

Otherwise, save it please.

Weinerville

Gouda cheese is good

Rick

about time!! the inability to adjust will not make it in the league today. players and coaches are too smart. time for us to catch up!!

Anonymous

Fire Shanahan for Holmgren?

Jeeze you people in Ft. Fun really ARE dumb, aren’t ya?

Anonymous

Fire Shanahan for Holmgren?

Jeeze you people in Ft. Fun really ARE dumb, aren’t ya?

KB

Jerome – Do you even know what the game of football is about? Why are you “jonesing” for Jake Plummer. Plummer was, is and always will be a marginal QB. There was an instant upgrade in offensive production when Jay Cutler took over. Instead of it being throw to old & slow Rod Smith every pass; Jay found Scheffler, Marshall, and the long ball to Javon! Look at the stats!

It wasn’t the offense that blew the leads in multiple games this year. Coyer’s predictability, lack of adjusting during games and lack of adjusting schemes as his defense was hit with injuries led to his firing. Sure we need a stud pass rusher, but you stil have to plan and scheme with the talent you have and MAKE ADJUSTMENTS!!

KB

Jerome – Do you even know what the game of football is about? Why are you “jonesing” for Jake Plummer. Plummer was, is and always will be a marginal QB. There was an instant upgrade in offensive production when Jay Cutler took over. Instead of it being throw to old & slow Rod Smith every pass; Jay found Scheffler, Marshall, and the long ball to Javon! Look at the stats!

It wasn’t the offense that blew the leads in multiple games this year. Coyer’s predictability, lack of adjusting during games and lack of adjusting schemes as his defense was hit with injuries led to his firing. Sure we need a stud pass rusher, but you stil have to plan and scheme with the talent you have and MAKE ADJUSTMENTS!!

Brendan Bleeks

Was about time, Coyer was so predictable is was laughable at stages. The ulimate prevent defence, he’d have the corners lay of 10 yards on a 3rd and 6, pass play for 7 yards and then a tackle, 1st down! the linebackers were non existent, the playcalling was either the worst ive seen or he didn’t believe in the players thinking they’d get burnt everytime! I think we need a DE, FS, DT and CB this off season and in that order

Brendan Bleeks

Was about time, Coyer was so predictable is was laughable at stages. The ulimate prevent defence, he’d have the corners lay of 10 yards on a 3rd and 6, pass play for 7 yards and then a tackle, 1st down! the linebackers were non existent, the playcalling was either the worst ive seen or he didn’t believe in the players thinking they’d get burnt everytime! I think we need a DE, FS, DT and CB this off season and in that order

Cecil

This has been Shanahanâ€™s worst season yet and now part of his damage control is the firing of Coyer.

Whoâ€™s next for Shanahan to throw under the bus: Plummer, Rod Smith, a few linemen, Tatum Bellâ€¦..? The sacrificing of an assistant coach or players are always signs of desperation; thatâ€™s how badly Shanahan has managed this franchise.

Unfortunately, Shanahan is on his downside. If not for his mistakes, the Broncos really should have been 16-0 this year and the huge favorite to win the Super Bowl right now, even with Plummer or Cutler.

Why would I say this?

Shanahanâ€™s GREATEST MISTAKE this season was when he prematurely cut Trevor Pryce and let him go the Ravens without getting anything for him. Look at the year Trevor Pryce had with the Ravens: Trevor Pryce matched his career high in sacks this season with 13. He fit perfectly into the Ravens defense, which finished as the top-ranked unit in the NFL on a team that finished 13-3 and the No. 2 seed in the AFC. This could have been the Broncos Defense instead. And to top it off, the salary cap was adjusted and the Broncos could have kept Trevor Pryce.

If Shanahan had kept Pryce, the Broncos would now be the favorite for the Super Bowl this year instead of being an also ran. Remember how the defense started out like hall of famers? With Pryce in the Bronco defense, his sacks, and the attention he demanded from the other team’s offense, the Broncos (with Plummer or Cutler) would never have lost any games to the Colts, Chargers, Seahawks, KC, Rams, or 49ers. The Bronco defense would have gone down in history as one of the best with a legit pass rush and improved interior defense. This would have been the Bronco team everyone here envisioned and expected by the NFL to seriously contend this year for the Super Bowl.

The Bronco players all know this too. Only the fans who continue to worship at the altar of Mike Shanahan, based on his success 8 and 9 years ago, are content with Shanahan’s failure to get the Broncos into the playoffs or contend for the Super Bowl, as they should have this year.

Father time has passed Shanahan by, its time for new coaching blood. And donâ€™t be afraid Shanahan fans, there are budding Belichicks, Walshs, Johnsons, Manginis, Paytons, and other innovative coaches out there waiting to bring their new winning concepts to the field.

Cecil

This has been Shanahanâ€™s worst season yet and now part of his damage control is the firing of Coyer.

Whoâ€™s next for Shanahan to throw under the bus: Plummer, Rod Smith, a few linemen, Tatum Bellâ€¦..? The sacrificing of an assistant coach or players are always signs of desperation; thatâ€™s how badly Shanahan has managed this franchise.

Unfortunately, Shanahan is on his downside. If not for his mistakes, the Broncos really should have been 16-0 this year and the huge favorite to win the Super Bowl right now, even with Plummer or Cutler.

Why would I say this?

Shanahanâ€™s GREATEST MISTAKE this season was when he prematurely cut Trevor Pryce and let him go the Ravens without getting anything for him. Look at the year Trevor Pryce had with the Ravens: Trevor Pryce matched his career high in sacks this season with 13. He fit perfectly into the Ravens defense, which finished as the top-ranked unit in the NFL on a team that finished 13-3 and the No. 2 seed in the AFC. This could have been the Broncos Defense instead. And to top it off, the salary cap was adjusted and the Broncos could have kept Trevor Pryce.

If Shanahan had kept Pryce, the Broncos would now be the favorite for the Super Bowl this year instead of being an also ran. Remember how the defense started out like hall of famers? With Pryce in the Bronco defense, his sacks, and the attention he demanded from the other team’s offense, the Broncos (with Plummer or Cutler) would never have lost any games to the Colts, Chargers, Seahawks, KC, Rams, or 49ers. The Bronco defense would have gone down in history as one of the best with a legit pass rush and improved interior defense. This would have been the Bronco team everyone here envisioned and expected by the NFL to seriously contend this year for the Super Bowl.

The Bronco players all know this too. Only the fans who continue to worship at the altar of Mike Shanahan, based on his success 8 and 9 years ago, are content with Shanahan’s failure to get the Broncos into the playoffs or contend for the Super Bowl, as they should have this year.

Father time has passed Shanahan by, its time for new coaching blood. And donâ€™t be afraid Shanahan fans, there are budding Belichicks, Walshs, Johnsons, Manginis, Paytons, and other innovative coaches out there waiting to bring their new winning concepts to the field.

evan

anyone that is good in the 3-4

LeBeau first choice,

get the 3-4 back in denver.

evan

anyone that is good in the 3-4

LeBeau first choice,

get the 3-4 back in denver.

Joey

#5: Shanahan will never run out of scapegoats…that’s the great thing about his job. There will always be the last scapegoat’s replacement. There will always be a new backup QB.

Shanahan was hoping that he could pin the season on Plummer and a rookie QB, but then we lost to San Francisco. Oops..too bad for Colyer.

The 49ERS!!!! I still don’t understand how this happened. Maybe I drank too much at the game. Maybe Shanny should start drinking during games too, spice things up a little. At least we would have something to watch other than our team blowing double digit leads in the 2nd half.

Joey

#5: Shanahan will never run out of scapegoats…that’s the great thing about his job. There will always be the last scapegoat’s replacement. There will always be a new backup QB.

Shanahan was hoping that he could pin the season on Plummer and a rookie QB, but then we lost to San Francisco. Oops..too bad for Colyer.

The 49ERS!!!! I still don’t understand how this happened. Maybe I drank too much at the game. Maybe Shanny should start drinking during games too, spice things up a little. At least we would have something to watch other than our team blowing double digit leads in the 2nd half.

TP

By the way the defense lost us 2 of our final 5 games (Seattle, 49ers), and almost gave a win to Cincy. Jay Cutler and the offense did thier job in tieing or taking the lead win it ment the most. On the other hand, when it ment the most the defense played to lose in zone coverage and got picked apart every time. If the offense helps the team in getting and shot to win if the defense holds, and the defense does not hold, then the Cordinator should get fired and does not deserve to coach.

TP

By the way the defense lost us 2 of our final 5 games (Seattle, 49ers), and almost gave a win to Cincy. Jay Cutler and the offense did thier job in tieing or taking the lead win it ment the most. On the other hand, when it ment the most the defense played to lose in zone coverage and got picked apart every time. If the offense helps the team in getting and shot to win if the defense holds, and the defense does not hold, then the Cordinator should get fired and does not deserve to coach.

TurboElf

Too Bad,
They started off great, but soon the lack of talent on the D-Line was evident. Every team needs another pass rusher, so no good ones are available (Like Cleveland) Dumervil was good, but no replacement for Trevor. The real problem seemed to happen after Brandon (used a lot in the Big Nickel) and then Ferguson (the real pro bowl safety) went down with big injuries. I don’t think it’s the scheme (blitz or no blitz) or the coordinator, it’s the players. Greg Robinson , Ray Rhodes, now Coyer? The problem was on offense Shanny…

TurboElf

Too Bad,
They started off great, but soon the lack of talent on the D-Line was evident. Every team needs another pass rusher, so no good ones are available (Like Cleveland) Dumervil was good, but no replacement for Trevor. The real problem seemed to happen after Brandon (used a lot in the Big Nickel) and then Ferguson (the real pro bowl safety) went down with big injuries. I don’t think it’s the scheme (blitz or no blitz) or the coordinator, it’s the players. Greg Robinson , Ray Rhodes, now Coyer? The problem was on offense Shanny…

TP

Some of you people are so dumb. God, I do wish Shanahan is fired so the Broncos will go 1-15. Then like true flaky fans you guys or girls are, you people will go crawling back to Mike Shanahan and plead to him to come back.

Cecil, lets be smart here, when was the last time a team went 16-0…. about 1972. Also, the only reason why Pryce has 13 sacks is because of the class of players he is around. The Ravens always have had some kind of all-pro defense players. Yes, Pryce does have good talent, but when other teams are focused on so many other brand name players like Reed, Suggs, Ngata, McAlister, Lewis… of coarse a quality guy like Trevor is going to have a break out year, because for once in his career he is not the main focus. Plus a 3-4 defense is very effective…. hint hint.. next defense for Broncos!!

TP

Some of you people are so dumb. God, I do wish Shanahan is fired so the Broncos will go 1-15. Then like true flaky fans you guys or girls are, you people will go crawling back to Mike Shanahan and plead to him to come back.

Cecil, lets be smart here, when was the last time a team went 16-0…. about 1972. Also, the only reason why Pryce has 13 sacks is because of the class of players he is around. The Ravens always have had some kind of all-pro defense players. Yes, Pryce does have good talent, but when other teams are focused on so many other brand name players like Reed, Suggs, Ngata, McAlister, Lewis… of coarse a quality guy like Trevor is going to have a break out year, because for once in his career he is not the main focus. Plus a 3-4 defense is very effective…. hint hint.. next defense for Broncos!!

Optimus Prime

If anyone has something to say about Fort Collins, you can say it to me…

As for Coyer (the point of this blog), it was time to go. Hopefully Shanahan brings in someone hungry and passionate, like our defensive leaders, to charge them up. I’d like to see D.J. Williams and Elvis a little more involved as they really are young impact players that can take us to the promise-land.

In the end, we will be in good shape next year. We should go after Adam Archuleta (sp?) and get him in the room with Lynch so he can take over when the beast is gone. We will miss the young energy that Darrent had. Foxworth needs to step it up and take on that starting corner role…

Best of luck to Larry. He’ll fit in well with a college program…perhaps with the RAMS?

Optimus Prime

If anyone has something to say about Fort Collins, you can say it to me…

As for Coyer (the point of this blog), it was time to go. Hopefully Shanahan brings in someone hungry and passionate, like our defensive leaders, to charge them up. I’d like to see D.J. Williams and Elvis a little more involved as they really are young impact players that can take us to the promise-land.

In the end, we will be in good shape next year. We should go after Adam Archuleta (sp?) and get him in the room with Lynch so he can take over when the beast is gone. We will miss the young energy that Darrent had. Foxworth needs to step it up and take on that starting corner role…

Best of luck to Larry. He’ll fit in well with a college program…perhaps with the RAMS?

Ken

To call for Shanny’s firing is just plain utter stupidity. It is my guess that those calling for it are either fans of one of the other AFC west teams that want to see Denver fall, or Broncos fans that don’t realize that he is one of the winningest coaches in the league. I think that these “fans” don’t understand that in this league it is virtually impossible to keep all the players that you want due to salary cap, or get all the players that you want for the same reason. Shanahan does a superior job of player management, and is one of the best offensive minds in the game. Mike has been here 11 years now, and I expect that in the next few years, he may step down like Bill Cowher did, but I personally hope that it is not for a long time. Denver are contenders year in and year out thanks to Mike, he gets the most out of the players that he has.

The offense under performed for most of the season, this is true. But it was Coyer’s defense that lost several games for us. Mark my words, after what happened to D-Will, they are going to dedicate next season to him, and come out with fire in thier eyes and the Broncos are going to be feared throughout the league.

Ken

To call for Shanny’s firing is just plain utter stupidity. It is my guess that those calling for it are either fans of one of the other AFC west teams that want to see Denver fall, or Broncos fans that don’t realize that he is one of the winningest coaches in the league. I think that these “fans” don’t understand that in this league it is virtually impossible to keep all the players that you want due to salary cap, or get all the players that you want for the same reason. Shanahan does a superior job of player management, and is one of the best offensive minds in the game. Mike has been here 11 years now, and I expect that in the next few years, he may step down like Bill Cowher did, but I personally hope that it is not for a long time. Denver are contenders year in and year out thanks to Mike, he gets the most out of the players that he has.

The offense under performed for most of the season, this is true. But it was Coyer’s defense that lost several games for us. Mark my words, after what happened to D-Will, they are going to dedicate next season to him, and come out with fire in thier eyes and the Broncos are going to be feared throughout the league.

This was a great decision by Shanahan. It is not about Shanahan having “scapegoats”. I said it before, the Broncos defense did not perform well because of the scheme that was used. Having San Fran marching down the field in overtime and pass rushing three or four was ridiculous. They made Alex Smith looked like Joe Montana out there. This defense have more talent than most around the league. No other team has three excellent linebackers, Champ, Lynch, Myers, and Warren. Coyer should have been let go before.

Jose Gonzalez

This was a great decision by Shanahan. It is not about Shanahan having “scapegoats”. I said it before, the Broncos defense did not perform well because of the scheme that was used. Having San Fran marching down the field in overtime and pass rushing three or four was ridiculous. They made Alex Smith looked like Joe Montana out there. This defense have more talent than most around the league. No other team has three excellent linebackers, Champ, Lynch, Myers, and Warren. Coyer should have been let go before.

Anonymous

“Father time has passed Shanahan by, its time for new coaching blood. And donâ€™t be afraid Shanahan fans, there are budding Belichicks, Walshs, Johnsons, Manginis, Paytons, and other innovative coaches out there waiting to bring their new winning concepts to the field.”

Cecil, you’ve said that before, and I don’t doubt that it’s true. WHO, though?

Why don’t you provide a name or two? Being as wise as you are, that should be easy!

I’ll eagerly await your response.

Anonymous

“Father time has passed Shanahan by, its time for new coaching blood. And donâ€™t be afraid Shanahan fans, there are budding Belichicks, Walshs, Johnsons, Manginis, Paytons, and other innovative coaches out there waiting to bring their new winning concepts to the field.”

Cecil, you’ve said that before, and I don’t doubt that it’s true. WHO, though?

Why don’t you provide a name or two? Being as wise as you are, that should be easy!

I’ll eagerly await your response.

JD

Lets face it Coyer at best was a decent LB coach. He was clueless when it came to generating a pass rush. The defense got exposed when injuries came. It’s like putting duct tape on a hole. Just cuz you can “fill in” the empty spots does not mean the “fill in” will hold firm.

JD

Lets face it Coyer at best was a decent LB coach. He was clueless when it came to generating a pass rush. The defense got exposed when injuries came. It’s like putting duct tape on a hole. Just cuz you can “fill in” the empty spots does not mean the “fill in” will hold firm.

Herb Ham

This decision underscores the wisdom of “none of us are as dumb as all of us together.” It appears the organizational wizards got together & fixed the part that wasn’t broken. What about an offense that leaves the D on the field most of every game & even more in our losses? Way to shake things up & look stupid in the process!

Herb Ham

This decision underscores the wisdom of “none of us are as dumb as all of us together.” It appears the organizational wizards got together & fixed the part that wasn’t broken. What about an offense that leaves the D on the field most of every game & even more in our losses? Way to shake things up & look stupid in the process!

Broncoholic in Indiana

I’ts about time they let this guy go. Just because Pittsburgh burned us last year against the blitz doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do it at all this year! We went from blitz happy to blitz absent this year! No imagination at all! And I also agree that Heimerdinger, the O-coordinator has got to go. I understand that he was an old college buddy of Shanahan’s years ago….but I wasn’t impressed with the play calling….How many times did we run up the gut at the goal line without any success? Too many. Just look at the 49ers game for a good example! We need more creativity with the defense and offense!
In regards to someone suggesting Ron Rivera for the next d-coordinator…FORGET IT!!! He’s looking for a head coaching job not another d-coordinator job. Do you really think that he would be dumb enough to leave the Bears defense for the Broncos? Who you kidding…

Broncoholic in Indiana

I’ts about time they let this guy go. Just because Pittsburgh burned us last year against the blitz doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do it at all this year! We went from blitz happy to blitz absent this year! No imagination at all! And I also agree that Heimerdinger, the O-coordinator has got to go. I understand that he was an old college buddy of Shanahan’s years ago….but I wasn’t impressed with the play calling….How many times did we run up the gut at the goal line without any success? Too many. Just look at the 49ers game for a good example! We need more creativity with the defense and offense!
In regards to someone suggesting Ron Rivera for the next d-coordinator…FORGET IT!!! He’s looking for a head coaching job not another d-coordinator job. Do you really think that he would be dumb enough to leave the Bears defense for the Broncos? Who you kidding…

Goose

#43 (Cecil) good point man. We’ve lost some good people that could’ve made a huge difference this year. Having lost Trevor Price, Mike Anderson, Ron Dayne was too much, considering we didn’t get anybody for them. At least not in terms of an upgrade. TP is much better player than anyone on the Broncos DL right now.

Goose

#43 (Cecil) good point man. We’ve lost some good people that could’ve made a huge difference this year. Having lost Trevor Price, Mike Anderson, Ron Dayne was too much, considering we didn’t get anybody for them. At least not in terms of an upgrade. TP is much better player than anyone on the Broncos DL right now.

Tom Williams

Oh yea, who couldn’t see this one coming from a mile “high” away. Well, we now have scapegoat # 2 officially on the books: 1, Jake Plummer; 2, Larry Coyer. We’ve heard about the lack of adjustments, we’ve heard about the problems with the Browns defect and subsequent injuries, we’ve heard about Darrent and how he was bashed throughout the year (poor kid!), and we’ve heard about the poor tackling. Well, go get yourself an aggressive coach, and pump up the pressure. Hey, while you are out there, go get a pass rush, and some top notch lineman in free agency instead of the Browns rejects. Heck, maybe you can find a miracle pill and put some footspeed in John Lynch, and he won’t have to shake his head “my bad” to Champ Bailey so much. And don’t forget, good tackling from our linebackers wuold be really nice as well. When are you people gonna wake up, and realize the fish rots from the head on down?! Countless stud defensive ends let go by the Mastermind. We mortgaged our future years ago for the “win now” mentality. It’s disheartening to see people let Shanahan off the hook so much. He rolled a veteran and classy QB under the bus by leaking his demotion to the media through the press, and now it’s Coyer. Get a new play book, get some new blood, get a real pass rush, a real running back, and stop by the snow-job Denver!!!

Ssshhhhreeeehawwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!

http://N/A Tom Williams

Oh yea, who couldn’t see this one coming from a mile “high” away. Well, we now have scapegoat # 2 officially on the books: 1, Jake Plummer; 2, Larry Coyer. We’ve heard about the lack of adjustments, we’ve heard about the problems with the Browns defect and subsequent injuries, we’ve heard about Darrent and how he was bashed throughout the year (poor kid!), and we’ve heard about the poor tackling. Well, go get yourself an aggressive coach, and pump up the pressure. Hey, while you are out there, go get a pass rush, and some top notch lineman in free agency instead of the Browns rejects. Heck, maybe you can find a miracle pill and put some footspeed in John Lynch, and he won’t have to shake his head “my bad” to Champ Bailey so much. And don’t forget, good tackling from our linebackers wuold be really nice as well. When are you people gonna wake up, and realize the fish rots from the head on down?! Countless stud defensive ends let go by the Mastermind. We mortgaged our future years ago for the “win now” mentality. It’s disheartening to see people let Shanahan off the hook so much. He rolled a veteran and classy QB under the bus by leaking his demotion to the media through the press, and now it’s Coyer. Get a new play book, get some new blood, get a real pass rush, a real running back, and stop by the snow-job Denver!!!

Ssshhhhreeeehawwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!

Bob

Hey you so called Bronco fans, let’s trade teams. Since you clowns have one of the NFL’s best teams over the last 10 years and want to fire one of the best coaches, you sound as if you need a change. You can have the Cardinals and we’ll take the Broncs, complete with the owners that go with them.

It’s utterly amazing in reading these “Fan Comments” from clowns that don’t know how good they have it. Try never having a winning season.

We’ll take the Broncos any day, any time and sell out the stadium just like Denver does. You guys really need to get a grip on what being a fan is all about. If you think I’m kidding, just read the comments from “broncoed” in elsewhere in this newspaper about “wanting a drive-by on Shanahan, Bowlen and Javon Walker. You have a great team but the fans are idiots.

Bob

Hey you so called Bronco fans, let’s trade teams. Since you clowns have one of the NFL’s best teams over the last 10 years and want to fire one of the best coaches, you sound as if you need a change. You can have the Cardinals and we’ll take the Broncs, complete with the owners that go with them.

It’s utterly amazing in reading these “Fan Comments” from clowns that don’t know how good they have it. Try never having a winning season.

We’ll take the Broncos any day, any time and sell out the stadium just like Denver does. You guys really need to get a grip on what being a fan is all about. If you think I’m kidding, just read the comments from “broncoed” in elsewhere in this newspaper about “wanting a drive-by on Shanahan, Bowlen and Javon Walker. You have a great team but the fans are idiots.

I Bleed Orange

I’ll pile on, the guy couldn’t adjust. Granted no pass rush didn’t help, but how much of that was scheme and how much was personnel? I know from reliable sources that while the players learned to like Coyer personally, they never truly bought into him as a coordinator, and that may have more to do with the firing than we’ll ever hear publicly.

#18, I hope you’re just being wishful and not stupid regarding Kubiak. No way does a head coach deliberately quit to go back to his old assistant gig, not to mention, the Texans would never give the Broncos permission to talk to him.

I Bleed Orange

I’ll pile on, the guy couldn’t adjust. Granted no pass rush didn’t help, but how much of that was scheme and how much was personnel? I know from reliable sources that while the players learned to like Coyer personally, they never truly bought into him as a coordinator, and that may have more to do with the firing than we’ll ever hear publicly.

#18, I hope you’re just being wishful and not stupid regarding Kubiak. No way does a head coach deliberately quit to go back to his old assistant gig, not to mention, the Texans would never give the Broncos permission to talk to him.

Sheesh

“The Bronco defense would have gone down in history as one of the best with a legit pass rush and improved interior defense. This would have been the Bronco team everyone here envisioned and expected by the NFL to seriously contend this year for the Super Bowl. The Bronco players all know this too.”

Please prove this seemingly pulled out of your butt statement. Where did you get this? What player(s) do you personally know that have personally expressed this view to you? Yeah, that’s what I thought.

Also, you must be Nostrodamus with your ability to *know* what never happened except in some alternate timeline: Denver “would never have lost any games to the Colts, Chargers, Seahawks, KC, Rams, or 49ers.”

So, they would’ve gone undefeated if only they would have kept Pryce. Yah. OK. Sure.

Is it always sunny on your planet?

Cecil you love to make grandiose, sweeping statements without one iota of proof or factual information to back it up. Blahblahblah, sayeth o Wise Cecil.

Another schmuck with an opinion that his ego mistakes for reality and fact.

Sheesh

“The Bronco defense would have gone down in history as one of the best with a legit pass rush and improved interior defense. This would have been the Bronco team everyone here envisioned and expected by the NFL to seriously contend this year for the Super Bowl. The Bronco players all know this too.”

Please prove this seemingly pulled out of your butt statement. Where did you get this? What player(s) do you personally know that have personally expressed this view to you? Yeah, that’s what I thought.

Also, you must be Nostrodamus with your ability to *know* what never happened except in some alternate timeline: Denver “would never have lost any games to the Colts, Chargers, Seahawks, KC, Rams, or 49ers.”

So, they would’ve gone undefeated if only they would have kept Pryce. Yah. OK. Sure.

Is it always sunny on your planet?

Cecil you love to make grandiose, sweeping statements without one iota of proof or factual information to back it up. Blahblahblah, sayeth o Wise Cecil.

Another schmuck with an opinion that his ego mistakes for reality and fact.

DKen

Yeah, other heads may roll as well. I called this one several weeks ago, it was preordained by the lack of a pass rush and GOBS of yardage given up even early on when they were supposed to be great. I am not a football coach, but that zone scheme sure did not appear to be working. Every QB in the NFL could dink and dunk his way down the field all day long.

DKen

Yeah, other heads may roll as well. I called this one several weeks ago, it was preordained by the lack of a pass rush and GOBS of yardage given up even early on when they were supposed to be great. I am not a football coach, but that zone scheme sure did not appear to be working. Every QB in the NFL could dink and dunk his way down the field all day long.

Squiggy the Porpoise Headed Se

“How much better would the Broncos D had been with a healthy Trevor Pryce?”

Last year Trevor was invisible except for that night game (Monday?) against the Chiefs when he dominated the rookie tackle. Big whoop. Impressive. Wow. He has admittedly been decent this year with Baltiless but he definitely was NOT worth the 9 million they gave him.

Squiggy the Porpoise Headed Sea Sloth

“How much better would the Broncos D had been with a healthy Trevor Pryce?”

Last year Trevor was invisible except for that night game (Monday?) against the Chiefs when he dominated the rookie tackle. Big whoop. Impressive. Wow. He has admittedly been decent this year with Baltiless but he definitely was NOT worth the 9 million they gave him.

vinzbronko

i’ll pile on coyer. some how since he’s been here, we start every season as one of the best defenses in the league, then become a joke by season’s end. could it be our talent carries us at the beginning until o-coord figure out how to beat it. then coyer can’t adjust?

3-4 D!!!!! we’re better suited!

vinzbronko

i’ll pile on coyer. some how since he’s been here, we start every season as one of the best defenses in the league, then become a joke by season’s end. could it be our talent carries us at the beginning until o-coord figure out how to beat it. then coyer can’t adjust?

3-4 D!!!!! we’re better suited!

Anonymous

1 down 1 to go, can mike fire himself?

Anonymous

1 down 1 to go, can mike fire himself?

DH

Hey Bob, shutup. You aren’t even a Broncos fan so don’t act like you know what you’re talking about. Don’t judge all Denver fans just because a few idiots who don’t know what they’re talking about want to fire Shanahan. They’re almost as dumb as you. Keep your crappy Cardinals. I’ll keep one of the best franchises in the league.

DH

Hey Bob, shutup. You aren’t even a Broncos fan so don’t act like you know what you’re talking about. Don’t judge all Denver fans just because a few idiots who don’t know what they’re talking about want to fire Shanahan. They’re almost as dumb as you. Keep your crappy Cardinals. I’ll keep one of the best franchises in the league.

Chuck Sorrentino

Mike must take a very serious review of the offensive line blocking, play calling, receivers playing with their head in the game, defensive line rushing the other teams quarterbacks, tackling closing up the deep middle on defense which is always vulnerable to allowing pass completions of 15 yds or more, special team tackling and most of all running backs that can carry the team over and over again. I believe we have some of the talent but not all that we need. I am sorry to see our defensive coach get the ax I think it was undeserving. I have been a bronco fan since 1961 and I have wept and been discusted as well as very thrilled. We must get back to the team that is a threat and make the next AFC superbowl contenders pass through Denver.

Chuck Sorrentino

Mike must take a very serious review of the offensive line blocking, play calling, receivers playing with their head in the game, defensive line rushing the other teams quarterbacks, tackling closing up the deep middle on defense which is always vulnerable to allowing pass completions of 15 yds or more, special team tackling and most of all running backs that can carry the team over and over again. I believe we have some of the talent but not all that we need. I am sorry to see our defensive coach get the ax I think it was undeserving. I have been a bronco fan since 1961 and I have wept and been discusted as well as very thrilled. We must get back to the team that is a threat and make the next AFC superbowl contenders pass through Denver.

DenCo

Jerome, you’ve just GOT to be kidding…right?? Cecil, What??? BTW Cecil, I believe Trevor Pryce didn’t scheme, plan, and implement the prevent defense that had more holes in it than swiss cheese this year (BTW, re-read last year’s defensive passing stats also. They are very interesting). Fire Shanahan? What is wrong with some of you people?? Do some of you even FOLLOW the Broncos from week to week? This is ridiculous. If you have been following them, you are watching a different team than most of us posting have been watching all year. New blood for Shanahan… WHERE????????

DenCo

Jerome, you’ve just GOT to be kidding…right?? Cecil, What??? BTW Cecil, I believe Trevor Pryce didn’t scheme, plan, and implement the prevent defense that had more holes in it than swiss cheese this year (BTW, re-read last year’s defensive passing stats also. They are very interesting). Fire Shanahan? What is wrong with some of you people?? Do some of you even FOLLOW the Broncos from week to week? This is ridiculous. If you have been following them, you are watching a different team than most of us posting have been watching all year. New blood for Shanahan… WHERE????????

Bill

Hey Cardinals fan… You are absolutely right!! Sometimes it blows me away reading the things people say about Shanahan. He has only brought us two Superbowls and tons of winning seasons. It is time to wake up and change things around that NEED to be changed. Not him! For those of you who are still crying for and/or about Jake and wanting Shanahan’s head, you guys really don’t know this team very well or possibly even football for that matter.

Bill

Hey Cardinals fan… You are absolutely right!! Sometimes it blows me away reading the things people say about Shanahan. He has only brought us two Superbowls and tons of winning seasons. It is time to wake up and change things around that NEED to be changed. Not him! For those of you who are still crying for and/or about Jake and wanting Shanahan’s head, you guys really don’t know this team very well or possibly even football for that matter.

Raider, KC and Chargerfan

I would like to see Shanahan stay and Plummer at QB next year!!!

Raider, KC and Chargerfan

I would like to see Shanahan stay and Plummer at QB next year!!!

TP

Bill, could not have said that any better!!!!!!

TP

Bill, could not have said that any better!!!!!!

Scot

Shanahan doesn’t make this move without a plan. Does anyone know who he is thinking of hiring????

Scot

Shanahan doesn’t make this move without a plan. Does anyone know who he is thinking of hiring????

Reality check

In all of the interviews I’ve seen with Larry Coyer he seemed like a real no-nonsense, old school coach. I liked his personality. That being said, I think his greatest fault was having soft gameplans in all of the Broncos biggest games the last few years.
The last three times we played Indy they’ve absolutely shredded us. I know Manning shreds most everyone, but ask him how he likes facing the Broncos. Each time we sat in a zone, evidently afraid to blitz. He just dissects us. The last three times he’s faced this defense, he hasn’t so much as gotten hit, averages about 375 yards and four tds on roughly 80 percent passing.

Fool me once, shame on me, yet Coyer never seemed to change his approach. Ditto against Pitt last year. While Pitt attacked Plummer and pummeled our receivers right from the start, throwing our offense completely out of whack, we would stuff Pitt only to sit back in a soft zone and watch Roth pick us apart in third and longs.

These gameplans are the coordinators fault, but Shanahan deserves some blame here too.
I think Shanahan teams are kind of soft overall. The Steelers hammered us, and I think that’s a result of Cowher being a streetfighter type, and Shannahan being the smarter professor. Unfortunately, games aren’t played on projectors or Shanahan might never lose. At one time he had a team full of hall of famers, and they got it done. Since then, I think he’s been pretty ordinary. And if you judge him by this season’s work in particular, he’s especially bad. An AFC championship veteran team was basically sent to the salvage yard, with promises of brighter days ahead. I think that was an incredibly arrogant move for a coach to write off a season. It’s hard to win in this league, and it might be a while before we’re that close again.

Reality check

In all of the interviews I’ve seen with Larry Coyer he seemed like a real no-nonsense, old school coach. I liked his personality. That being said, I think his greatest fault was having soft gameplans in all of the Broncos biggest games the last few years.
The last three times we played Indy they’ve absolutely shredded us. I know Manning shreds most everyone, but ask him how he likes facing the Broncos. Each time we sat in a zone, evidently afraid to blitz. He just dissects us. The last three times he’s faced this defense, he hasn’t so much as gotten hit, averages about 375 yards and four tds on roughly 80 percent passing.

Fool me once, shame on me, yet Coyer never seemed to change his approach. Ditto against Pitt last year. While Pitt attacked Plummer and pummeled our receivers right from the start, throwing our offense completely out of whack, we would stuff Pitt only to sit back in a soft zone and watch Roth pick us apart in third and longs.

These gameplans are the coordinators fault, but Shanahan deserves some blame here too.
I think Shanahan teams are kind of soft overall. The Steelers hammered us, and I think that’s a result of Cowher being a streetfighter type, and Shannahan being the smarter professor. Unfortunately, games aren’t played on projectors or Shanahan might never lose. At one time he had a team full of hall of famers, and they got it done. Since then, I think he’s been pretty ordinary. And if you judge him by this season’s work in particular, he’s especially bad. An AFC championship veteran team was basically sent to the salvage yard, with promises of brighter days ahead. I think that was an incredibly arrogant move for a coach to write off a season. It’s hard to win in this league, and it might be a while before we’re that close again.

rhs

dont be fooled by this firing.
was coyer really in charge of
the defense, or was mike shanahan
making the calls. this is his
team, he built it. this team
played like a group of players
looking over their shoulders
constantly, remember bubby? these
guys dont trust m. shahahan!!

rhs

dont be fooled by this firing.
was coyer really in charge of
the defense, or was mike shanahan
making the calls. this is his
team, he built it. this team
played like a group of players
looking over their shoulders
constantly, remember bubby? these
guys dont trust m. shahahan!!

James in C Town

While I feel this move is over due, and should have come following the Bronco’s second playoff lose to Indy, or at least after the embarassment against the Steelers, better late than never. If there was one factor about Coyer’s defenses that always bothered me, it was they did not improve as the game progressed. They may start strong and stay that way, but they never improved after starting poorly. Unfortunately, we often saw them start strong and finishing as well as Coyer’s tenure in Denver.

James in C Town

While I feel this move is over due, and should have come following the Bronco’s second playoff lose to Indy, or at least after the embarassment against the Steelers, better late than never. If there was one factor about Coyer’s defenses that always bothered me, it was they did not improve as the game progressed. They may start strong and stay that way, but they never improved after starting poorly. Unfortunately, we often saw them start strong and finishing as well as Coyer’s tenure in Denver.

joe

well we needed to get jim mora and go after some young players on d for the draft we got redskins pick in the trade from last yr but we need a running back an adrian peterson from okla. he is the type of player that will put the fear back in denvers running game we can go to more single back formations will help jay in the passing game so its not all the defense fault!!!

joe

well we needed to get jim mora and go after some young players on d for the draft we got redskins pick in the trade from last yr but we need a running back an adrian peterson from okla. he is the type of player that will put the fear back in denvers running game we can go to more single back formations will help jay in the passing game so its not all the defense fault!!!

StraightOutBP

I don’t understand this attack Shannahan mentality. Wake up and get a clue about the pro game. There are about 8 NFL coaches who consistently field “winning teams” and Shanny’s one of them. When’s the last time the Broncos went 2-14? The Colts were built with how many top 10 draft picks because of poor seasons? And the Chargers? Or the Bengals? Coaches like Shanny, Belichick, Billick and Cowher consistently bring it and had to build their teams without the luxury of a slew of top 10 picks. Forget Coyer. he’s now history. Bring in an aggressive DC, then find a pass rushing DE, a ball-hawking FS, and another run stuffer and we’ll be cooking with gas. Get off Shannys back you tools.

StraightOutBP

I don’t understand this attack Shannahan mentality. Wake up and get a clue about the pro game. There are about 8 NFL coaches who consistently field “winning teams” and Shanny’s one of them. When’s the last time the Broncos went 2-14? The Colts were built with how many top 10 draft picks because of poor seasons? And the Chargers? Or the Bengals? Coaches like Shanny, Belichick, Billick and Cowher consistently bring it and had to build their teams without the luxury of a slew of top 10 picks. Forget Coyer. he’s now history. Bring in an aggressive DC, then find a pass rushing DE, a ball-hawking FS, and another run stuffer and we’ll be cooking with gas. Get off Shannys back you tools.

jon

GOOD! I didnt think the Barrel Man should have been D coordinator anyways! good bye grandpa lets get some young blood in there!

jon

GOOD! I didnt think the Barrel Man should have been D coordinator anyways! good bye grandpa lets get some young blood in there!

cavemanbroncofan

Anyone blaming this on mike shannahan is out of their mind. the defense got tired the second half of the year because they were on the field alot in the first half of the season. Jake Plummer is the one the season should be blamed with coyer a close second. the offense with plummer at the helm was averaging around 17 points a game and with cutler it was around 24. coyer was a close second because how do you not blitz against the colts or anyone else people called last year a blitz happy team and that ended up terrible huh only a afc championship appearance until Plummer exploded. still the fireing of coyer was neccesary because you cant pull a 180 on defence without bringing in any one to make that change. A 3-4 defence has fit the broncos for the past 3 years so i would say bring in a 3-4 guy and Dwight Freeny

cavemanbroncofan

Anyone blaming this on mike shannahan is out of their mind. the defense got tired the second half of the year because they were on the field alot in the first half of the season. Jake Plummer is the one the season should be blamed with coyer a close second. the offense with plummer at the helm was averaging around 17 points a game and with cutler it was around 24. coyer was a close second because how do you not blitz against the colts or anyone else people called last year a blitz happy team and that ended up terrible huh only a afc championship appearance until Plummer exploded. still the fireing of coyer was neccesary because you cant pull a 180 on defence without bringing in any one to make that change. A 3-4 defence has fit the broncos for the past 3 years so i would say bring in a 3-4 guy and Dwight Freeny

jon

oh and just an add on, everybody on this topic who said thatthey think Shanahan should be fired needs to turn in their broncos fan card because you’re a complete moron and you would be better off with your own kind in Kansas City and Oakland.

jon

oh and just an add on, everybody on this topic who said thatthey think Shanahan should be fired needs to turn in their broncos fan card because you’re a complete moron and you would be better off with your own kind in Kansas City and Oakland.

At Least Denver Could Scored M

Change is good. Coyer wasn’t a horrible coach by any means but his lack of adjustment cost Denver in the 2nd half of games. I wonder if their conditioning was a problem as well- they seemed to get worn out by the end of the 3rd quarter quite a bit.

It would be nice to see a pass rushing DE come from FA or the draft. I’d like to see the new D coord. use Elvis D. as more than a 3rd down specialist as he proved that he can pressure the QB. Perhaps some youth at LB/MLB as they are getting older. As well one of those 325 LB DT that clogs up the middle would be a nice addition.

At Least Denver Could Scored More Than 8 In Indy!

Change is good. Coyer wasn’t a horrible coach by any means but his lack of adjustment cost Denver in the 2nd half of games. I wonder if their conditioning was a problem as well- they seemed to get worn out by the end of the 3rd quarter quite a bit.

It would be nice to see a pass rushing DE come from FA or the draft. I’d like to see the new D coord. use Elvis D. as more than a 3rd down specialist as he proved that he can pressure the QB. Perhaps some youth at LB/MLB as they are getting older. As well one of those 325 LB DT that clogs up the middle would be a nice addition.

Blame Everyone! Fire Everyone!

Shanahan is to blame? Just be thankful that we have Shanny and not Herman Edwards! All of the Plummer backers need to realize that Jake’s time in Denver is over. He clearly did not deliver the goods this season and is too expensive of a player to be a work in progress. Great guy Jake Plummer. Not the right QB for Denver Jake Plummer. Cutler is the future and I am ever so pleased that Shanahan was smart enough top trade up for this guy.

Blame Everyone! Fire Everyone!

Shanahan is to blame? Just be thankful that we have Shanny and not Herman Edwards! All of the Plummer backers need to realize that Jake’s time in Denver is over. He clearly did not deliver the goods this season and is too expensive of a player to be a work in progress. Great guy Jake Plummer. Not the right QB for Denver Jake Plummer. Cutler is the future and I am ever so pleased that Shanahan was smart enough top trade up for this guy.

As for Trevor Pryce it was a money decision….Keep a guy towards the end of his career, pay a ton of money and hope he doesn’t get injured again, or go with several younger guys and try to develop them. It’s not like he was the only decent player on defense we had. if Courtney Brown had been healthy not to mention others, we’d have been just fine.

Many are totally blaming Coyer saying we blitzed all the time last year and none this year. Well, Pittsburgh played the perfect game against the blitz last year. Look it up…the tactic is a GAMBLE. We had good personnel to play a straight defense, again without the injuries. As for blaming Coyer for it all….do you all really believe that he just ran the defense and Shanny had no input? That if Shanny though he was too conservative and predictable he wouldn’t have said something and Coyer wouldn’t have had to change? No, this is a fan based political move, like “look, we’re making a change on defense!” All the players talked miles about how much they liked Coyer, liked playing for him and how smart he was with defensive schemes. Face it, it just didn’t work this year. A lot of that was our offense giving the ball away constantly in games and putting the defense in terrible positions. NO defense can keep the other guys from scoring all the time in those situations. Plus then you get tired players and by the end of the game, opposing teams are driving on you. No, the blame was far more than just Coyers and it had to do with our personnel and injuries as well. I fee sorry for the poor old guy. I hope he goes somewhere and turns a poor defense totally around so everyone is moaning last year about how Denver shouldn’t have let him go!

Anyway, it’s done. No matter who we get, if the offense doesn’t stop throwing the ball to other teams and not moving it, our defense won’t do any better in the last half of the season. Hopefully that WILL change though and I believe it will.

This is the team, defensive coordinator and all, that went 13-3 last year and has several key UPGRADES at some positions. No reason it can’t be there and better again next year if we keep who we’ve got and possibly upgrade some more. I agree that defensive line needs at least one major stud to help on pass rush, that one was a killer and it’s all on your defensive line personnel. Hopefully Brown is healthy and/or we draft someone great or get a good free agent. Regardless, I’m sure this next year will be a great one…can’t wait to see it!

As for Trevor Pryce it was a money decision….Keep a guy towards the end of his career, pay a ton of money and hope he doesn’t get injured again, or go with several younger guys and try to develop them. It’s not like he was the only decent player on defense we had. if Courtney Brown had been healthy not to mention others, we’d have been just fine.

Many are totally blaming Coyer saying we blitzed all the time last year and none this year. Well, Pittsburgh played the perfect game against the blitz last year. Look it up…the tactic is a GAMBLE. We had good personnel to play a straight defense, again without the injuries. As for blaming Coyer for it all….do you all really believe that he just ran the defense and Shanny had no input? That if Shanny though he was too conservative and predictable he wouldn’t have said something and Coyer wouldn’t have had to change? No, this is a fan based political move, like “look, we’re making a change on defense!” All the players talked miles about how much they liked Coyer, liked playing for him and how smart he was with defensive schemes. Face it, it just didn’t work this year. A lot of that was our offense giving the ball away constantly in games and putting the defense in terrible positions. NO defense can keep the other guys from scoring all the time in those situations. Plus then you get tired players and by the end of the game, opposing teams are driving on you. No, the blame was far more than just Coyers and it had to do with our personnel and injuries as well. I fee sorry for the poor old guy. I hope he goes somewhere and turns a poor defense totally around so everyone is moaning last year about how Denver shouldn’t have let him go!

Anyway, it’s done. No matter who we get, if the offense doesn’t stop throwing the ball to other teams and not moving it, our defense won’t do any better in the last half of the season. Hopefully that WILL change though and I believe it will.

This is the team, defensive coordinator and all, that went 13-3 last year and has several key UPGRADES at some positions. No reason it can’t be there and better again next year if we keep who we’ve got and possibly upgrade some more. I agree that defensive line needs at least one major stud to help on pass rush, that one was a killer and it’s all on your defensive line personnel. Hopefully Brown is healthy and/or we draft someone great or get a good free agent. Regardless, I’m sure this next year will be a great one…can’t wait to see it!

Everett

I thought Dennison might be more likely to be fired than Coyer. I wonder how much tension there was during the season between Coyer and Shanahan. I bet it drove Shanahan nuts watching an inept rush attack lose the game for them week in and week out. The game that comes to mind most is the Indy game when they gave Peyton Manning a boatload of time each play to decide what to do. BIG MISTAKE.

Still, I think the offensive play calling this year was lackluster at best. I think that needs to be addressed as much as the lack of pass rush.

Everett

I thought Dennison might be more likely to be fired than Coyer. I wonder how much tension there was during the season between Coyer and Shanahan. I bet it drove Shanahan nuts watching an inept rush attack lose the game for them week in and week out. The game that comes to mind most is the Indy game when they gave Peyton Manning a boatload of time each play to decide what to do. BIG MISTAKE.

Still, I think the offensive play calling this year was lackluster at best. I think that needs to be addressed as much as the lack of pass rush.

Mort

It was a great move to get rid of Coyer. He seems to lack the ability to make the proper half time adjustments. The Defense was predictable to say the least. I would love to see Denver sign Adalius Thomas and switch to a 3 4. Bowlen should persue Mike Singletary or better yet steal Ryan away from the Faiders.

Mort

It was a great move to get rid of Coyer. He seems to lack the ability to make the proper half time adjustments. The Defense was predictable to say the least. I would love to see Denver sign Adalius Thomas and switch to a 3 4. Bowlen should persue Mike Singletary or better yet steal Ryan away from the Faiders.

shanahansonlykidney

hey bronco losers, you’re a second rate organisation always have been and always will be. sack shanahan if you want to move forward

shanahansonlykidney

hey bronco losers, you’re a second rate organisation always have been and always will be. sack shanahan if you want to move forward

bobaloo

Shan-a-Rat did what all control freaks do-fire those who do the job they are told to do-after all it is easier to blame others than admit having a hand in the plan-Wake up Donkey Lovers the problem is little Mikey.

bobaloo

Shan-a-Rat did what all control freaks do-fire those who do the job they are told to do-after all it is easier to blame others than admit having a hand in the plan-Wake up Donkey Lovers the problem is little Mikey.

http://flybee3yahoo.com/ DenCo

Hey #86, I would take more stock in your comment if you knew how to spell.

http://flybee3yahoo.com DenCo

Hey #86, I would take more stock in your comment if you knew how to spell.

JerseyGirl

Well this just blew me away. So he had a bad last half of the season. He’s been awesome until then. Perhaps Coach should have had a sit down with him instead of just dropping the axe.

JerseyGirl

Well this just blew me away. So he had a bad last half of the season. He’s been awesome until then. Perhaps Coach should have had a sit down with him instead of just dropping the axe.

OJ

Okay, now how about bringing back Alex Gibbs?

OJ

Okay, now how about bringing back Alex Gibbs?

Sharon

I agree with the firing of Coyer and think we need to look at also replacing the special teams coach and Dennison. I’m still wondering how a mediocre defensive player makes a good offensive coach

Sharon

I agree with the firing of Coyer and think we need to look at also replacing the special teams coach and Dennison. I’m still wondering how a mediocre defensive player makes a good offensive coach

rick s

#86 your an idiot!
the broncos are a first class org. have been for a long time, and will be for a long time.
so who’s your team? faiders or queefs? idiot!
i think your jealous and want shanny on your team!

rick s

#86 your an idiot!
the broncos are a first class org. have been for a long time, and will be for a long time.
so who’s your team? faiders or queefs? idiot!
i think your jealous and want shanny on your team!

Watson

Blame needs to be placed on the whole team. Shanny made mistakes, Coyer was too conservative, players didn’t execute… I like the move because something had to be done. Shanny has led us to 2 Super Bowl wins and has the highest winning percentage in the NFL over the last 10 years- anyone thinking he should go is a moron. Otherwise we could be like the Raiders and Lions and change head coaches every year and get high draft picks and do nothing with them.
As for the players: the offense will keep getting better with all of the young talent. Remember Cutler has started a grand total of 5 NFL games- the sky is the limit. Smith is declining but Marshall and Walker are studs, Scheffler has the tools to be great and Lepsis will be back to anchor the line. Draft a solid every-down RB and all will be good.
The defense has the parts and now needs someone to point them in the right direction. Schemes like Baltimore’s and San Diegos’s would be perfect with our speed at LB. Drafting Lamar Woodley out of Michigan would be a great move. He will be the next Merriman- minus the steroids.
As for comment #89 by JerseyGirl- if you had read or listened to the news Shanahan and Coyer met all night Monday and Tuesday morning before reaching the decision. Shanahan didn’t “just” drop the axe.
Good luck to Coyer wherever he goes. Likeable guy but change needed to happen.

Watson

Blame needs to be placed on the whole team. Shanny made mistakes, Coyer was too conservative, players didn’t execute… I like the move because something had to be done. Shanny has led us to 2 Super Bowl wins and has the highest winning percentage in the NFL over the last 10 years- anyone thinking he should go is a moron. Otherwise we could be like the Raiders and Lions and change head coaches every year and get high draft picks and do nothing with them.
As for the players: the offense will keep getting better with all of the young talent. Remember Cutler has started a grand total of 5 NFL games- the sky is the limit. Smith is declining but Marshall and Walker are studs, Scheffler has the tools to be great and Lepsis will be back to anchor the line. Draft a solid every-down RB and all will be good.
The defense has the parts and now needs someone to point them in the right direction. Schemes like Baltimore’s and San Diegos’s would be perfect with our speed at LB. Drafting Lamar Woodley out of Michigan would be a great move. He will be the next Merriman- minus the steroids.
As for comment #89 by JerseyGirl- if you had read or listened to the news Shanahan and Coyer met all night Monday and Tuesday morning before reaching the decision. Shanahan didn’t “just” drop the axe.
Good luck to Coyer wherever he goes. Likeable guy but change needed to happen.

evan

Please no Mora , no Bates , no
Slowik. New blood and a 3-4. Nows the time.

evan

Please no Mora , no Bates , no
Slowik. New blood and a 3-4. Nows the time.

jack

yes a 3-4 Wade Phillips ?????

who ever a new 3-4 look.

jack

yes a 3-4 Wade Phillips ?????

who ever a new 3-4 look.

broncofan4life

reply to #43 Cecil: Are you kidding me with your comments? You are actually saying that Trevor Pryce leaving is the reason we arent in the playoffs. Newsflash: Trevor Pryce had several years to do that in denver and ALWAYS under achieved! Fact, plain and simple he is a meadocre lineman who is WAY overpaid! The reason hes doing good this year, is because the GOOD d lineman in Baltimore are getting double teamed. Did you notice that our pass rush was not any better this year than the past several years? Did you even watch any Bronco games the past several years?We are much better without Pryce, Elvis will come along in the comming years and be a much better pass rusher than Pryce. He was a rookie and missed several games and look how many sacks he still ended up with. Can you imagine what he will do in the future after learning more than he knows now? Im telling ya, hges gonna be great!!!The reason we havent got back to the super bowl is easy…The players havent been hungry enough for it! Watch out next year, cause they are ALL hungry to win it all for DWILL! This team is gonna be focused and Hungry for the trophy!Mark my words, next years team is gonna go down as one of the best Bronco teams ever! Take it ot the bank!

broncofan4life

reply to #43 Cecil: Are you kidding me with your comments? You are actually saying that Trevor Pryce leaving is the reason we arent in the playoffs. Newsflash: Trevor Pryce had several years to do that in denver and ALWAYS under achieved! Fact, plain and simple he is a meadocre lineman who is WAY overpaid! The reason hes doing good this year, is because the GOOD d lineman in Baltimore are getting double teamed. Did you notice that our pass rush was not any better this year than the past several years? Did you even watch any Bronco games the past several years?We are much better without Pryce, Elvis will come along in the comming years and be a much better pass rusher than Pryce. He was a rookie and missed several games and look how many sacks he still ended up with. Can you imagine what he will do in the future after learning more than he knows now? Im telling ya, hges gonna be great!!!The reason we havent got back to the super bowl is easy…The players havent been hungry enough for it! Watch out next year, cause they are ALL hungry to win it all for DWILL! This team is gonna be focused and Hungry for the trophy!Mark my words, next years team is gonna go down as one of the best Bronco teams ever! Take it ot the bank!

evan

they have a year to fill holes for a 3-4. They have had 5 years to fill holes for a 4-3 and here we sit. Get a 3-4 coach fill a couple of holes. NO MORE 4-3.

http://Myway.com/ MoBroncoFan

Fire Shannahan? You must be working for Oakland, KC or San Diego! I wonder how you’d do on your job if a couple million people per day were watching you & then writing about it. Is Mike perfect? Absolutely not. Is he one of the best coaches in pro football? You bet. I’ve been a Bronco fan since the days of vertically striped socks, and can’t think of a better coach than Shannahan. What speaks most to his talent is than fans gripe about “only” winning 9 or 10 games per year!

evan

they have a year to fill holes for a 3-4. They have had 5 years to fill holes for a 4-3 and here we sit. Get a 3-4 coach fill a couple of holes. NO MORE 4-3.

http://Myway.com MoBroncoFan

Fire Shannahan? You must be working for Oakland, KC or San Diego! I wonder how you’d do on your job if a couple million people per day were watching you & then writing about it. Is Mike perfect? Absolutely not. Is he one of the best coaches in pro football? You bet. I’ve been a Bronco fan since the days of vertically striped socks, and can’t think of a better coach than Shannahan. What speaks most to his talent is than fans gripe about “only” winning 9 or 10 games per year!

TRUE FAN

I am amazed how much most people on this blog think they know about the inner workings of a pro football team. GIVE ME A BREAK PEOPLE. Not one person here knows how much control Coyer had of the personnel and scheme decisions. No one knows how Coyer prepared for each game or got his players prepared for each game. The bottom line is there were probably a list of issues that led to the firing of Coyer all of which no one here has a clue. Until Shanahan speaks and says why he fired Coyer quit talking like you are part of the team and you know. Shanahan is the CEO of a very successful business and he knows the moving parts better than anyone. This business has run at a high level for a long time with him making the decisions, and it will continue to. I trust Mike to make the call, it’s his job and I don’t think there is anyone better in the league. He has proven that !!
So for all you experts out there, relax Mike knows what he is doing, I am sure he will call you when he needs your expert opinions, in the mean time save us the brain damage!!

TRUE FAN

I am amazed how much most people on this blog think they know about the inner workings of a pro football team. GIVE ME A BREAK PEOPLE. Not one person here knows how much control Coyer had of the personnel and scheme decisions. No one knows how Coyer prepared for each game or got his players prepared for each game. The bottom line is there were probably a list of issues that led to the firing of Coyer all of which no one here has a clue. Until Shanahan speaks and says why he fired Coyer quit talking like you are part of the team and you know. Shanahan is the CEO of a very successful business and he knows the moving parts better than anyone. This business has run at a high level for a long time with him making the decisions, and it will continue to. I trust Mike to make the call, it’s his job and I don’t think there is anyone better in the league. He has proven that !!
So for all you experts out there, relax Mike knows what he is doing, I am sure he will call you when he needs your expert opinions, in the mean time save us the brain damage!!

richie

#90 OJ you said it man, bring back alex gibbs, if you dont bring back the master of the zone blocking scheme then scrap it, dennison gone and bradford gone also….go broncs!

richie

#90 OJ you said it man, bring back alex gibbs, if you dont bring back the master of the zone blocking scheme then scrap it, dennison gone and bradford gone also….go broncs!

Sinh Nguyen

Fire special team coach is next after defese coach and line coach.

Sinh Nguyen

Fire special team coach is next after defese coach and line coach.

Robert

All I know is that we should ahve be in the playoffs. We didn’t so some folks got canned. Get over it and prepare for next season.

GOOO BRONCOS!!

Robert

All I know is that we should ahve be in the playoffs. We didn’t so some folks got canned. Get over it and prepare for next season.

GOOO BRONCOS!!

PNJ

I agree with Vince. At least part of Coyer’s demise can be blamed on an inept and underachieving offense. I think it’s a mistake to let him go.
Hey #86! I’ll take 2-4 in the superbowl and 6-2 in the AFC championship anyday. How does your team stack up?

PNJ

I agree with Vince. At least part of Coyer’s demise can be blamed on an inept and underachieving offense. I think it’s a mistake to let him go.
Hey #86! I’ll take 2-4 in the superbowl and 6-2 in the AFC championship anyday. How does your team stack up?

broncfan57

I’m not sure what to make of this, because they played so well the first half of the season.
There were some injuries, but that’s when the backups have to shine. I hate to say it, but look at New England. They consistently compete at a high level with all kinds of key injuries.
As much as I love John Lynch (one of my all time favorites) and the way he levels people, I think he is starting to lose a step or two. Al Wilson plays hurt a lot, but we would have won the game against SF if he had played. He is such a warrior, he must have really been hurting to have not been in there.
It seems the players were comfortable with Coyer’s system. I remember them saying the previous defensive schemes were too complicated, they just wanted to go out there and use their talents and speed and not rely on a lot of smoke and mirrors.
I don’t know about Shanahan being a ‘control freak’, he is a great coach, but maybe this was a bit premature.
It will be interesting to see who stays and who goes, and what happens in the draft and free agency.
Go Boise State !
There’s a Bronco’s team we can all be happy for.

broncfan57

I’m not sure what to make of this, because they played so well the first half of the season.
There were some injuries, but that’s when the backups have to shine. I hate to say it, but look at New England. They consistently compete at a high level with all kinds of key injuries.
As much as I love John Lynch (one of my all time favorites) and the way he levels people, I think he is starting to lose a step or two. Al Wilson plays hurt a lot, but we would have won the game against SF if he had played. He is such a warrior, he must have really been hurting to have not been in there.
It seems the players were comfortable with Coyer’s system. I remember them saying the previous defensive schemes were too complicated, they just wanted to go out there and use their talents and speed and not rely on a lot of smoke and mirrors.
I don’t know about Shanahan being a ‘control freak’, he is a great coach, but maybe this was a bit premature.
It will be interesting to see who stays and who goes, and what happens in the draft and free agency.
Go Boise State !
There’s a Bronco’s team we can all be happy for.

Anonymous

I am glad Cutler will be the starter next year. Hehe. He throws great touchdown passes to my favorite teams.

San Fran and Seattle Fan

I am glad Cutler will be the starter next year. Hehe. He throws great touchdown passes to my favorite teams.

Anonymous

I am glad Cutler will be the starter next year. Hehe. He throws great touchdown passes to my favorite teams.

San Fran and Seattle Fan

I am glad Cutler will be the starter next year. Hehe. He throws great touchdown passes to my favorite teams.

Ed

I like how Peyton controlled the game last weekend. His defense was always well rested because the offense avoided the temptation of the big play and instead used the efficient Colt offense to control the ball and the clock.

What a switch. The Chiefs objective was to control the clock and keep Peyton off the field. But what happened was the Colts controlled the clock and their defense stayed fresh and was able to handle KC’s running attack.

Ed

I like how Peyton controlled the game last weekend. His defense was always well rested because the offense avoided the temptation of the big play and instead used the efficient Colt offense to control the ball and the clock.

What a switch. The Chiefs objective was to control the clock and keep Peyton off the field. But what happened was the Colts controlled the clock and their defense stayed fresh and was able to handle KC’s running attack.

cliff

Two words….”Jim Mora” he is excactly the aggressive mind the defense needs. Also can someone expalain to me hwo Paul Ernster made this team? Check the field position all year.

cliff

Two words….”Jim Mora” he is excactly the aggressive mind the defense needs. Also can someone expalain to me hwo Paul Ernster made this team? Check the field position all year.

http://accucode.com/ Chad

For everyone out there crying about Coyer being let go and the ongoing reteric about T Pryce leaving etc, consider one thing said by Trveor about his former coordinator before the Broncs played the Ravens. He said he was ABLE to use his abilities in the Ravens defense and was freed up to play footabll and not be a blocking dummy. He said it is the SYSTEM that held him back, the system Coyer has put in place. As for Shanny calling the shots on D this is just a stupid comment, he allows his coaches to find the players they want on the roster, draft so forth and to implement their style of D. If this was not the case you would have one style of D for the whole Shanny ers not 3 distintly differnt styes of D. All coaches evaluate at the end of the year and make changes to the coaching staff and players. Shanny is not the first not the last to fire a coordinator, or did you missthe Ravens firing their O Coordinator during the season?

http://accucode.com Chad

For everyone out there crying about Coyer being let go and the ongoing reteric about T Pryce leaving etc, consider one thing said by Trveor about his former coordinator before the Broncs played the Ravens. He said he was ABLE to use his abilities in the Ravens defense and was freed up to play footabll and not be a blocking dummy. He said it is the SYSTEM that held him back, the system Coyer has put in place. As for Shanny calling the shots on D this is just a stupid comment, he allows his coaches to find the players they want on the roster, draft so forth and to implement their style of D. If this was not the case you would have one style of D for the whole Shanny ers not 3 distintly differnt styes of D. All coaches evaluate at the end of the year and make changes to the coaching staff and players. Shanny is not the first not the last to fire a coordinator, or did you missthe Ravens firing their O Coordinator during the season?

broncfan57

Hey # 86 (shanahansonlykidney):
I always get a laugh when I read a stupid comment like yours, especially when you can’t even spell! That’s ‘organization’, with a ‘z’, not an ‘s’!
But seeing as how you’re an ‘only kidney’, I guess we have to cut you some slack for not having any brains!
Interesting that you didn’t put down which team you like. Raider’s perhaps?
Who’s laughing now?

broncfan57

Hey # 86 (shanahansonlykidney):
I always get a laugh when I read a stupid comment like yours, especially when you can’t even spell! That’s ‘organization’, with a ‘z’, not an ‘s’!
But seeing as how you’re an ‘only kidney’, I guess we have to cut you some slack for not having any brains!
Interesting that you didn’t put down which team you like. Raider’s perhaps?
Who’s laughing now?

At LEast We Don’t Have Herman

Save the “Can Shanahan” nonsense for when he fields a team that doesn’t break .500 for s few seasons. Just be thankful that Denver doesn’t have the team killer named Herman Edwards on the sidelines. What kind of moron doesn’t yank a QB playing as poorly in a playoff game as Trent Green did?

At LEast We Don’t Have Herman Edwards!

Save the “Can Shanahan” nonsense for when he fields a team that doesn’t break .500 for s few seasons. Just be thankful that Denver doesn’t have the team killer named Herman Edwards on the sidelines. What kind of moron doesn’t yank a QB playing as poorly in a playoff game as Trent Green did?

chiefmo

Chad – You hit the nail on the head. I have been on the sidelines for all of the bronco home games over the past 5 seasons and the 2nd half defensive calls have not changed a bit. He has consistently allowed his sub-par CB to stay 7 to 10 yards off of the line of scrimage on 2nd or 3rd and short downs even though he was up in the box looking down. Does anyone remember how Rich Gannon had that record setting 1st half. Even though he was not the coordinator, insode sources let me know that Rhodes was not calling all of the shots.

In all of the Bronco 2nd half defensive breaks downs or especially the againt the Colts, adjustments were not made. I felt bad for the players after a big play and they just locked around confused. The offense in the second half of games were an issue THIS year, but not years past.

Later Mr Coyer. I heard that they were looking for a true life look alike for Cotton Hill, the Veteran, shinless father of hank hill. you look and walk just like him.

chiefmo

Chad – You hit the nail on the head. I have been on the sidelines for all of the bronco home games over the past 5 seasons and the 2nd half defensive calls have not changed a bit. He has consistently allowed his sub-par CB to stay 7 to 10 yards off of the line of scrimage on 2nd or 3rd and short downs even though he was up in the box looking down. Does anyone remember how Rich Gannon had that record setting 1st half. Even though he was not the coordinator, insode sources let me know that Rhodes was not calling all of the shots.

In all of the Bronco 2nd half defensive breaks downs or especially the againt the Colts, adjustments were not made. I felt bad for the players after a big play and they just locked around confused. The offense in the second half of games were an issue THIS year, but not years past.

Later Mr Coyer. I heard that they were looking for a true life look alike for Cotton Hill, the Veteran, shinless father of hank hill. you look and walk just like him.

2007

How can Shanahan make Coyer out as a scapegoat for the demise of the team to 9-7? Did Shanahan’s D give up 2nd half leads to Indy, San Diego, and Seattle? Did Shanahan not make adjustments the the scheme of the D when teams figured it out? No. Coyer is to responsible for this downfall. His scheme worked until teams watched film and learned how to exploit it. No adjustments makes for a long day on the field. Ala Jake Plummer his time here in Denver has ended. Why keep coaches and players that do not perform to expectations?

While we are at it why not look for a new conditioning coach and special teams coach as both are needed. Kickoff and punt coverage were horrible this year. The team looked like it was out of gas by the end of the 3rd quarter. Conditioning wins games as well.

2007

How can Shanahan make Coyer out as a scapegoat for the demise of the team to 9-7? Did Shanahan’s D give up 2nd half leads to Indy, San Diego, and Seattle? Did Shanahan not make adjustments the the scheme of the D when teams figured it out? No. Coyer is to responsible for this downfall. His scheme worked until teams watched film and learned how to exploit it. No adjustments makes for a long day on the field. Ala Jake Plummer his time here in Denver has ended. Why keep coaches and players that do not perform to expectations?

While we are at it why not look for a new conditioning coach and special teams coach as both are needed. Kickoff and punt coverage were horrible this year. The team looked like it was out of gas by the end of the 3rd quarter. Conditioning wins games as well.

Bronco Howie

Coyer should have been fired years ago. We need a young coodinator with some new ideas. Coyer’s same old stuff wore thin as the years progressed and Denver is giving up more yards/game than when he started. We need a pass rush !!!

Bronco Howie

Coyer should have been fired years ago. We need a young coodinator with some new ideas. Coyer’s same old stuff wore thin as the years progressed and Denver is giving up more yards/game than when he started. We need a pass rush !!!

broncfan57

Johnny (#17):
Kubiak isn’t coming back.
He has his dream job in Houston.
Watch them have a winning season next year.
Don’t be suprised to see Plummer as the starter at some point. He and Kub have an excellent relationship.
Denver will be fine as long as they can stay healthy and get some help through free agency and the draft.

broncfan57

Johnny (#17):
Kubiak isn’t coming back.
He has his dream job in Houston.
Watch them have a winning season next year.
Don’t be suprised to see Plummer as the starter at some point. He and Kub have an excellent relationship.
Denver will be fine as long as they can stay healthy and get some help through free agency and the draft.

DVD

Yeah, look at the numbers: Trevor Pryce in 2005: 2 sacks. Then he goes to the Ravens and records 9&1/2 sacks. Did Travor Pryce suddenly, magically “improve” in one year or was he in a system in Denver that didn’t properly use his talents? If you can’t figure that out, you shouldn’t be posting on this board.

The Ravens have great defensive talent and schemes. They design their schemes to maximize their talent. It’s two sides of the same coin. If you can’t design a good scheme that changes and flexes as the game goes on, you give up yards, points and lose games.

That’s why Coyer is gone.

And #99, that’s the best comment I’ve read on this whoel DPO board. I love people who think they know everything. If those people are so damned smart about football, they should go apply for a coaching position with the Broncos — they’ve got openings!

DVD

Yeah, look at the numbers: Trevor Pryce in 2005: 2 sacks. Then he goes to the Ravens and records 9&1/2 sacks. Did Travor Pryce suddenly, magically “improve” in one year or was he in a system in Denver that didn’t properly use his talents? If you can’t figure that out, you shouldn’t be posting on this board.

The Ravens have great defensive talent and schemes. They design their schemes to maximize their talent. It’s two sides of the same coin. If you can’t design a good scheme that changes and flexes as the game goes on, you give up yards, points and lose games.

That’s why Coyer is gone.

And #99, that’s the best comment I’ve read on this whoel DPO board. I love people who think they know everything. If those people are so damned smart about football, they should go apply for a coaching position with the Broncos — they’ve got openings!

http://denverpost.com/ Toney Hill

Definately needed to happen. We need an agressive defensive coordinator who can draw blood from a turnip and motivate players to leave it on the field. Our Defense has a lot of talented players. But these guys did not play to their potential and that’s a shame for any coach. Coyer had most of the oil paints needed for a Mona Lisa but only produced a crayon drawing.

Special teams coaching needs a hard look also, worst team in the league for field position.
Offense needs work on play calling inside the 5 yard line, whoever is making those repeated blunders.

Denver should search for some proven talent like we did when we got DE Neil Smith from KC. We won two superbowls with him. He wasn’t spectacular either but he had to reckoned with so others were freed up. We need to really entice a proven free agent like Dwight Freeny (hopefully they don’t franchise tag him)or Simeon Rice. Trevor Price was good but he collected checks his last two seasons as walking wounded. Didn’t play much, so why give him another contract when he’s a question mark? He probably invigorated himself because he had to prove himself on another team just to start. I don’t think he would have had the same season at Denver. That same vigor could work by bringing in a proven DE from another team that has a couple years left in him. Picking up an impact player in the draft is rare. And picking up a player from the draft that eventually will be a starter is a crap shoot. don’t roll the dice if you don’t have to.

http://denverpost.com Toney Hill

Definately needed to happen. We need an agressive defensive coordinator who can draw blood from a turnip and motivate players to leave it on the field. Our Defense has a lot of talented players. But these guys did not play to their potential and that’s a shame for any coach. Coyer had most of the oil paints needed for a Mona Lisa but only produced a crayon drawing.

Special teams coaching needs a hard look also, worst team in the league for field position.
Offense needs work on play calling inside the 5 yard line, whoever is making those repeated blunders.

Denver should search for some proven talent like we did when we got DE Neil Smith from KC. We won two superbowls with him. He wasn’t spectacular either but he had to reckoned with so others were freed up. We need to really entice a proven free agent like Dwight Freeny (hopefully they don’t franchise tag him)or Simeon Rice. Trevor Price was good but he collected checks his last two seasons as walking wounded. Didn’t play much, so why give him another contract when he’s a question mark? He probably invigorated himself because he had to prove himself on another team just to start. I don’t think he would have had the same season at Denver. That same vigor could work by bringing in a proven DE from another team that has a couple years left in him. Picking up an impact player in the draft is rare. And picking up a player from the draft that eventually will be a starter is a crap shoot. don’t roll the dice if you don’t have to.

Greg

Here is a key question?

Did we have a championship defense under Larry Coyer?

NO.

In 4 years, we got blown out of the playoffs in 3 straight years, and the defense definitely faltered this year giving up lead after lead in the second half.

Nobody is blaming Coyer for everything, but it just wasn’t working. And he had no answers when other teams started gashing the defense after halftime each week. You can’t question that.

The offense and special teams definitely had their hands in the meltdown this year, but that doesn’t excuse the defensive schemes and the lack of adjustments by the defensive coaches.

Obviously, the talent is there… yes, they need a dominant D-lineman or 2 to complete a dominant unit… but the talent was enough to hold off teams like KC, Seattle and the 9ers. Or to hold the chargers to under 80 points in 2 games. No excuse for that.

The offensive struggles had alot to do with Jake and Tatum playing poorly, not coaching. If Jake had played even OK, we might still be playing. If Tatum had stepped up to be the #1 bigtime back he’s claimed he could be for 3 years, we might still be playing.

Its a team game, if the O is more consistent, the D would have looked better and been fresher. If the D didn’t bend so much or created some turnovers, the O wouldn’t need to drive 80 yards all day… if the special teams didn’t stink, both units would have been better.

No one is solely to blame, but it doesn’t mean you can’t try and bring in someone who can do a better job.

Greg

Here is a key question?

Did we have a championship defense under Larry Coyer?

NO.

In 4 years, we got blown out of the playoffs in 3 straight years, and the defense definitely faltered this year giving up lead after lead in the second half.

Nobody is blaming Coyer for everything, but it just wasn’t working. And he had no answers when other teams started gashing the defense after halftime each week. You can’t question that.

The offense and special teams definitely had their hands in the meltdown this year, but that doesn’t excuse the defensive schemes and the lack of adjustments by the defensive coaches.

Obviously, the talent is there… yes, they need a dominant D-lineman or 2 to complete a dominant unit… but the talent was enough to hold off teams like KC, Seattle and the 9ers. Or to hold the chargers to under 80 points in 2 games. No excuse for that.

The offensive struggles had alot to do with Jake and Tatum playing poorly, not coaching. If Jake had played even OK, we might still be playing. If Tatum had stepped up to be the #1 bigtime back he’s claimed he could be for 3 years, we might still be playing.

Its a team game, if the O is more consistent, the D would have looked better and been fresher. If the D didn’t bend so much or created some turnovers, the O wouldn’t need to drive 80 yards all day… if the special teams didn’t stink, both units would have been better.

No one is solely to blame, but it doesn’t mean you can’t try and bring in someone who can do a better job.

Bob

Coyer’s players did a bad job of tackling….especially when Walt Harris had the ball.

They also made the defensive lineman from Seattle look like the second coming of Jim Brown.

Yes, Coyer should be canned for the horrible decision of letting Trevor Pryce go and instead giving the money to the bust out of Vandy at QB.

Bob

Coyer’s players did a bad job of tackling….especially when Walt Harris had the ball.

They also made the defensive lineman from Seattle look like the second coming of Jim Brown.

Yes, Coyer should be canned for the horrible decision of letting Trevor Pryce go and instead giving the money to the bust out of Vandy at QB.

Gilbo

Should have happened after the Pittsburg game last year.

Gilbo

Should have happened after the Pittsburg game last year.

Tim

What can we do? The best thing we can do is to Shut up, and support our team and our coach. Shanahan is the man. Would you rather play in an average system with a new coach every couple of years? No! We take each loss very hard because we have great expectations. We are a winning team because of our coach. Let’s not forget that!

Tim

What can we do? The best thing we can do is to Shut up, and support our team and our coach. Shanahan is the man. Would you rather play in an average system with a new coach every couple of years? No! We take each loss very hard because we have great expectations. We are a winning team because of our coach. Let’s not forget that!

B James

Coyer’s firing is overrated. It always has been and always will be about talent on defense (offense is a bit different-play calling, deception, etc…)The talent level on the Broncos defense is way overrated. Aside from Champ Bailey and Al Wilson, most of these players are expendable.

John Lynch: one big hit per game and at least 2 big plays given up because of his 7.5 40 time.

Foxworth: Too early to tell, but should be an upgrade from Darrent.

Ian Gold: Fast as lightning. What does he weigh about 195? Can’t shed a blocker even if its the QB. Makes great sideline to sideline plays. Only problem is they’re usually 20 yards down field.

D.J. Williams: Mr. Missed Tackles. Gets fooled on just about every misdirection play. Plays like he doesn’t have much between the ears. Would really fit nicely with the Raiders.

Coyer’s firing is overrated. It always has been and always will be about talent on defense (offense is a bit different-play calling, deception, etc…)The talent level on the Broncos defense is way overrated. Aside from Champ Bailey and Al Wilson, most of these players are expendable.

John Lynch: one big hit per game and at least 2 big plays given up because of his 7.5 40 time.

Foxworth: Too early to tell, but should be an upgrade from Darrent.

Ian Gold: Fast as lightning. What does he weigh about 195? Can’t shed a blocker even if its the QB. Makes great sideline to sideline plays. Only problem is they’re usually 20 yards down field.

D.J. Williams: Mr. Missed Tackles. Gets fooled on just about every misdirection play. Plays like he doesn’t have much between the ears. Would really fit nicely with the Raiders.

first, the firing of Coyer was the right move. Something had to be done to change scheme and personality. Second, Shanahan is a great coach who will eventually be in the hall of fame (winner of three super bowls- 2 w/ broncs, 1 w/ niners). stop the fire shanny nonsense because he is one of the best. Third, did you notice how much better the offense was with a rookie QB, instead of I should of been a plummer. Go Cutler, Shanahan, and my beloved CU buffs

http://hotmail bufffan

first, the firing of Coyer was the right move. Something had to be done to change scheme and personality. Second, Shanahan is a great coach who will eventually be in the hall of fame (winner of three super bowls- 2 w/ broncs, 1 w/ niners). stop the fire shanny nonsense because he is one of the best. Third, did you notice how much better the offense was with a rookie QB, instead of I should of been a plummer. Go Cutler, Shanahan, and my beloved CU buffs

Bill (Centennial, CO)

How long can Mike say “I won 2 super bowls in the 90’s. I should still be head coach!” Pat said Mike can coach as long as he wants to coach the Broncos. What will he do next season if the Bronco’s fail to make the Playoffs? Will Mike still be here? I hope not. It is time for a change. This season prooved who was the real brains on the Denver coaching staff and he is now in Houston! Time for a change! Time for Mike to go!

Bill (Centennial, CO)

How long can Mike say “I won 2 super bowls in the 90’s. I should still be head coach!” Pat said Mike can coach as long as he wants to coach the Broncos. What will he do next season if the Bronco’s fail to make the Playoffs? Will Mike still be here? I hope not. It is time for a change. This season prooved who was the real brains on the Denver coaching staff and he is now in Houston! Time for a change! Time for Mike to go!

Anonymous

“instead giving the money to the bust out of Vandy at QB.”

Bob, do you know you’re an idiot, or does that come as a surprise to you?

Anonymous

“instead giving the money to the bust out of Vandy at QB.”

Bob, do you know you’re an idiot, or does that come as a surprise to you?

azbroncofan

Still waiting for Cutler to get his walking papers…what a disaster his career has been… Can’t believe anybody thought he was NFL caliber material

azbroncofan

Still waiting for Cutler to get his walking papers…what a disaster his career has been… Can’t believe anybody thought he was NFL caliber material

larry

b James you sound like a raider fan who doesn’t know much about football, coyer cost a lot of games the past two years, i wish they would of fired him last year, we have a very good defence, one of the best year in and year out, you have to play to your players potential and style not sit back and let people pick you apart

larry

b James you sound like a raider fan who doesn’t know much about football, coyer cost a lot of games the past two years, i wish they would of fired him last year, we have a very good defence, one of the best year in and year out, you have to play to your players potential and style not sit back and let people pick you apart

BillyK

Anyone who says this team needs a change at head coach needs to refill his prescription IMMEDIATELY.

Our beloved Broncos, in order to avoid the same salary cap hell the 49ers and Cowboys went through, have had to rely on MEDIOCRE talent for quite a while now. Yet somehow,every year, they are ALWAYS competetive, and gives us fans at least some hope that something great may happen, and that’s all because of who’s in charge.

Stop kidding yourselves into thinking the Broncos have all the talent in the world and are being somehow held back by Mike Shanahan. The D-Line is average, the O-Line gets bullied most of the time when it has to pass block, Rod Smith would have been a second receiver on every other team in the league 3 years ago, and our only good running back since T.D. was Clinton Portis, and he was hardly here long enough to even count. Oh, and as much as I love Jake Plummer, he needs a lot of help to be good.

This has been a patchwork team for years, and the fact that they got as far as they did last year is a testament to Mike Shanahan’s coaching abilities.

Mike Shanahan hasn’t won without Elway? Well Elway never won without Shanahan, and you people can’t have it one way…

BillyK

Anyone who says this team needs a change at head coach needs to refill his prescription IMMEDIATELY.

Our beloved Broncos, in order to avoid the same salary cap hell the 49ers and Cowboys went through, have had to rely on MEDIOCRE talent for quite a while now. Yet somehow,every year, they are ALWAYS competetive, and gives us fans at least some hope that something great may happen, and that’s all because of who’s in charge.

Stop kidding yourselves into thinking the Broncos have all the talent in the world and are being somehow held back by Mike Shanahan. The D-Line is average, the O-Line gets bullied most of the time when it has to pass block, Rod Smith would have been a second receiver on every other team in the league 3 years ago, and our only good running back since T.D. was Clinton Portis, and he was hardly here long enough to even count. Oh, and as much as I love Jake Plummer, he needs a lot of help to be good.

This has been a patchwork team for years, and the fact that they got as far as they did last year is a testament to Mike Shanahan’s coaching abilities.

Mike Shanahan hasn’t won without Elway? Well Elway never won without Shanahan, and you people can’t have it one way…

CB

Shanahan needs to regain his reputation of being a mastermind and a genuis.

Unfortunatly, he can only do this by firing himself!!!

Talk about a catch 22!

CB

Shanahan needs to regain his reputation of being a mastermind and a genuis.

Unfortunatly, he can only do this by firing himself!!!

Talk about a catch 22!

txbroncofan

azbroncofan, put the pipe down. How long have you considered yourself a Bronco fan? Have you compared the numbers of quarterbacks past? Surely you haven’t. Have you ever played a down of football in your life? I know it is easy to lose touch with what good football is about in AZ but, Cutler, a disaster? Surely you jest. He has finally given what all other Bronco fans have been searching for…someone who can throw the deep ball (accurately), a deep ball that is going to open up the running game, whomever the lucky back may be, and finally inject some excitement to an offense that became stale with the ‘dink and dunk’.

txbroncofan

azbroncofan, put the pipe down. How long have you considered yourself a Bronco fan? Have you compared the numbers of quarterbacks past? Surely you haven’t. Have you ever played a down of football in your life? I know it is easy to lose touch with what good football is about in AZ but, Cutler, a disaster? Surely you jest. He has finally given what all other Bronco fans have been searching for…someone who can throw the deep ball (accurately), a deep ball that is going to open up the running game, whomever the lucky back may be, and finally inject some excitement to an offense that became stale with the ‘dink and dunk’.

Scott

Shanahan-Why your at it fire your special teams coach, please!

http://DenverPost Scott

Shanahan-Why your at it fire your special teams coach, please!

John

KC/#41, you make some good points in your opening paragraph. Plummer looked to Smith with such frequency because he was generally the only guy he could hit.
Smith was usually stationary. The other receivers were still running routes when Plummer was in, he just couldn’t get it to them.
Cecil/#43, you are in over your head. True, Pryce would have helped us this year, but he wouldn’t have notched 13 sacks in Denver. Don’t you think having Terrell Suggs and Adalius Thomas also rushing the passer opened things up for him a little bit? We don’t have any Terrell Suggs’ on our roster.
Pryce’s effectiveness in Denver ended when they moved him from DT to DE and Coyer had him dropping into zone coverage or acting as a blocking dummy to open things up for the linebackers.
These other guys who are pressing you for specifics about where we can find these budding Bill Walshes are dead-on. Put up or shut up.
And “budding Manginis”? Sure, he had a good first year, but you’re lumping him in with Walsh? Dolt.

John

KC/#41, you make some good points in your opening paragraph. Plummer looked to Smith with such frequency because he was generally the only guy he could hit.
Smith was usually stationary. The other receivers were still running routes when Plummer was in, he just couldn’t get it to them.
Cecil/#43, you are in over your head. True, Pryce would have helped us this year, but he wouldn’t have notched 13 sacks in Denver. Don’t you think having Terrell Suggs and Adalius Thomas also rushing the passer opened things up for him a little bit? We don’t have any Terrell Suggs’ on our roster.
Pryce’s effectiveness in Denver ended when they moved him from DT to DE and Coyer had him dropping into zone coverage or acting as a blocking dummy to open things up for the linebackers.
These other guys who are pressing you for specifics about where we can find these budding Bill Walshes are dead-on. Put up or shut up.
And “budding Manginis”? Sure, he had a good first year, but you’re lumping him in with Walsh? Dolt.

DVD

â€œinstead giving the money to the bust out of Vandy at QB.â€?

Unbelieveable. The lack of intelligence in this place is simply staggering.

For the record, I’m keeping a looooooooooong list of idiot quotes from all the dipsh–s in here who bag on Cutler and say fantastically stupid things about him.

Then, in about 10 years, after he’s led the Broncos to a Superbowl or two, I’m going to publish them all in here and make all the nimrods eat crow, so keep ‘em coming dummies!

DVD

â€œinstead giving the money to the bust out of Vandy at QB.â€?

Unbelieveable. The lack of intelligence in this place is simply staggering.

For the record, I’m keeping a looooooooooong list of idiot quotes from all the dipsh–s in here who bag on Cutler and say fantastically stupid things about him.

Then, in about 10 years, after he’s led the Broncos to a Superbowl or two, I’m going to publish them all in here and make all the nimrods eat crow, so keep ‘em coming dummies!

brett

Are you all crazy? Mike SHanahan just got us to the AFC championship last year. He is a great coach since he became the heas coach in 1995 who has a better winning percentage? Who has won more games? He is a great coach and this team has agreat group of young talent. Many teams take decades to rebuild after losing hall of fame caliber talent. We took 2. He has done a great job and deserves the benefit of the doubt

brett

Are you all crazy? Mike SHanahan just got us to the AFC championship last year. He is a great coach since he became the heas coach in 1995 who has a better winning percentage? Who has won more games? He is a great coach and this team has agreat group of young talent. Many teams take decades to rebuild after losing hall of fame caliber talent. We took 2. He has done a great job and deserves the benefit of the doubt

Bob

#66-DH. I lived in Colorado for 40 years with everyone of them as a Bronco fan. I held season tickets for 20 years and I’m friends with David Diaz-Infante, Tom Rouen and Rick Upchurch. As far as my being a Cardinals fan, I now live in Phoenix, where I watch the local team endlessly struggle. I will always be a Bronco fan and love watching them which I was I pay for the NFL package.
Next time you want to slam the Broncos or another fan, you better get a clue that some of us have been loyal fans awhile longer than you probably have been on this earth. We remember the really bad years before Shannahan, Elway and Champ, when a .500 season was considered good.

Bob

#66-DH. I lived in Colorado for 40 years with everyone of them as a Bronco fan. I held season tickets for 20 years and I’m friends with David Diaz-Infante, Tom Rouen and Rick Upchurch. As far as my being a Cardinals fan, I now live in Phoenix, where I watch the local team endlessly struggle. I will always be a Bronco fan and love watching them which I was I pay for the NFL package.
Next time you want to slam the Broncos or another fan, you better get a clue that some of us have been loyal fans awhile longer than you probably have been on this earth. We remember the really bad years before Shannahan, Elway and Champ, when a .500 season was considered good.

mrleroy

put DJ back to weakside gold has not been an improvement on DJ’s rookie year

mrleroy

put DJ back to weakside gold has not been an improvement on DJ’s rookie year

James

#132- You’ll notice that O Wise Sage Cecil is NOWHERE to be found, and hasn’t yet provided the name that I asked for.

Gee, I’m SO surprised. Really.

Here’s another challenge for ya, Cecil (not that you have the capacity to meet it) since you know SO much about budding Bill Walshes, enlighten us dummies with your wisdom:

WHAT young coach has had lots of success recently in the NFL? Now, before you start shouting “Mangini” or “Peyton”, I want to you to tell me about a young buck coach that was hired 5 YEARS AGO, and has been successful in the NFL ever since. More than Shanahan. Gruden? Del Rio? Puh-leeeeze.

Here’s the point, Cecil: just because those rookies had ONE GOOD YEAR, doesn’t make them better than Shanahan, who’s been doing it in Denver for 12 freaking years.

When THOSE guys go 12 years in one place, and have the winning record that Shanahan does, THEN you can talk to us. Otherwise, keep posting that nonsense and keep showing us your ignorance.

126- azbroncofan is STILL as dumb as a box of freaking rocks, I see. You’re already calling Cutler’s “career a disaster” after 5 games, and are “waiting for him to get his walking papers”?? Wow. I mean, WOW. ROTFLMAO.

You REALLY don’t know ANY damn thing at all about football, much LESS the NFL, do you. Not one damn thing. The sun has baked your brain into “Jake is GOD” mush.

Dude, sell the Plummer jersey in next year’s garage sale and GET OVER IT. IF you’re a real BRONCO fan, that is.

Which you’re not, of course. Hey, did you find that place to share with Jake yet?

Seriously guy, the man-crush you have on Jake is creepy.

James

#132- You’ll notice that O Wise Sage Cecil is NOWHERE to be found, and hasn’t yet provided the name that I asked for.

Gee, I’m SO surprised. Really.

Here’s another challenge for ya, Cecil (not that you have the capacity to meet it) since you know SO much about budding Bill Walshes, enlighten us dummies with your wisdom:

WHAT young coach has had lots of success recently in the NFL? Now, before you start shouting “Mangini” or “Peyton”, I want to you to tell me about a young buck coach that was hired 5 YEARS AGO, and has been successful in the NFL ever since. More than Shanahan. Gruden? Del Rio? Puh-leeeeze.

Here’s the point, Cecil: just because those rookies had ONE GOOD YEAR, doesn’t make them better than Shanahan, who’s been doing it in Denver for 12 freaking years.

When THOSE guys go 12 years in one place, and have the winning record that Shanahan does, THEN you can talk to us. Otherwise, keep posting that nonsense and keep showing us your ignorance.

126- azbroncofan is STILL as dumb as a box of freaking rocks, I see. You’re already calling Cutler’s “career a disaster” after 5 games, and are “waiting for him to get his walking papers”?? Wow. I mean, WOW. ROTFLMAO.

You REALLY don’t know ANY damn thing at all about football, much LESS the NFL, do you. Not one damn thing. The sun has baked your brain into “Jake is GOD” mush.

Dude, sell the Plummer jersey in next year’s garage sale and GET OVER IT. IF you’re a real BRONCO fan, that is.

Which you’re not, of course. Hey, did you find that place to share with Jake yet?

Seriously guy, the man-crush you have on Jake is creepy.

Reality check

I agree with Cecil to a point. I would go one step further and add Reggie Hayward and Bertrand Berry to the list of defensive lineman that would look a whole lot better in blue and orange than the Cleveland guys. Not generating pressure on the quarterback has been our achiles heel for a while now.

It’s getting tired for the presumably Vanderbilt-come-BRoncos faithful, if not Cutlers friends and family, ripping the snake and vomitting stats and projections on us about how great Cutler was (?) and is going to be. For me, the jury is still out. He might be the next Elway, might be average. In a couple of years, we’ll know a lot more.

Jake had a sub par year this season, but certainly wasn’t alone. He’s won a lot of games for the Broncos, made a lot of great plays and handled his demotion with class.

We get it, Jay’s the new man in town, but quit acting like Plummer was garbage the whole time he was here.

Reality check

I agree with Cecil to a point. I would go one step further and add Reggie Hayward and Bertrand Berry to the list of defensive lineman that would look a whole lot better in blue and orange than the Cleveland guys. Not generating pressure on the quarterback has been our achiles heel for a while now.

It’s getting tired for the presumably Vanderbilt-come-BRoncos faithful, if not Cutlers friends and family, ripping the snake and vomitting stats and projections on us about how great Cutler was (?) and is going to be. For me, the jury is still out. He might be the next Elway, might be average. In a couple of years, we’ll know a lot more.

Jake had a sub par year this season, but certainly wasn’t alone. He’s won a lot of games for the Broncos, made a lot of great plays and handled his demotion with class.

We get it, Jay’s the new man in town, but quit acting like Plummer was garbage the whole time he was here.

Same old tired D

Mike Shanahan is a .500 coach without Terrell Davis or Jake Plummer starting.

We have to play the AFC South, the NFC North, and Pittsburgh next year. Plus KC and SD twice each.

Looks like the .500 trend will continue – Coyer or not.

Same old tired D

Mike Shanahan is a .500 coach without Terrell Davis or Jake Plummer starting.

We have to play the AFC South, the NFC North, and Pittsburgh next year. Plus KC and SD twice each.

Looks like the .500 trend will continue – Coyer or not.

D LATT

Absolutely right #134! The Broncos were 9-7, and were 1 play away from being 10-6!! The Giants made the playoffs with a worse record!! Our quarterback of the future has 5 games of experience, and statistically was well beyond what you would expect as a rookie – it is usually newsworthy when a rookie completes better than 50% and has a favourable TD-INT ratio. The kid is going to be outstanding. How anyone can be calling for Shanahan’s head obviously has their head up their arse, look around the league, who has handled transitional periods better than this? I hope you don’t bother writing when Denver are ripping it up next year.

D LATT

Absolutely right #134! The Broncos were 9-7, and were 1 play away from being 10-6!! The Giants made the playoffs with a worse record!! Our quarterback of the future has 5 games of experience, and statistically was well beyond what you would expect as a rookie – it is usually newsworthy when a rookie completes better than 50% and has a favourable TD-INT ratio. The kid is going to be outstanding. How anyone can be calling for Shanahan’s head obviously has their head up their arse, look around the league, who has handled transitional periods better than this? I hope you don’t bother writing when Denver are ripping it up next year.

Bob from Texas

I’m a lifetime Broncos fan. In watching the Cowboys fumble for QBs, coaches, etc., I’ve really come to appreciate the Broncos and Shanahan even more. Also, to talk about Cutler as though he had more than a few games experience is totally ridiculous! I say Denver likely has a very bright future with this guy at QB – he has all the talent to make that come true. He only needs the experience. Why not let him get it without making crazy, premature judgements about him in forums like this?

Bob from Texas

I’m a lifetime Broncos fan. In watching the Cowboys fumble for QBs, coaches, etc., I’ve really come to appreciate the Broncos and Shanahan even more. Also, to talk about Cutler as though he had more than a few games experience is totally ridiculous! I say Denver likely has a very bright future with this guy at QB – he has all the talent to make that come true. He only needs the experience. Why not let him get it without making crazy, premature judgements about him in forums like this?

rick s

#138 dont know what or who your talking about, when yousa quit saying plummer was garbage.
jake did ok, but thats it!
and he did not win a buch of games FOR the broncos,he won a bunch of games WITH the broncos.
imagine what his win-loss record would be if he played in az the last 3 years.
he took a good team to the playoffs.i can think of at least 20 QBs that can do that.
im not saying he was garbage.
he did ok.
but in this town,with this team, ok is not good enough!
your right about cutler, he may be good, he may not be.
im hoping he is. but if he’s not, i still would not want jake back at QB.

rick s

#138 dont know what or who your talking about, when yousa quit saying plummer was garbage.
jake did ok, but thats it!
and he did not win a buch of games FOR the broncos,he won a bunch of games WITH the broncos.
imagine what his win-loss record would be if he played in az the last 3 years.
he took a good team to the playoffs.i can think of at least 20 QBs that can do that.
im not saying he was garbage.
he did ok.
but in this town,with this team, ok is not good enough!
your right about cutler, he may be good, he may not be.
im hoping he is. but if he’s not, i still would not want jake back at QB.

Andy White

The problem w/ the D is simple. ZERO passrush ability. ZERO. Add in a 36 year old safety, and a backup strong saftey, and thats what you get.

Andy White

The problem w/ the D is simple. ZERO passrush ability. ZERO. Add in a 36 year old safety, and a backup strong saftey, and thats what you get.

Rick in CSprings

Two things for the non-knuckle draggers out there. The rest of you try to keep up.

Anyone who would attempt to make a judgment about Jay Cutler at this stage of his career is a complete mouth-breathing idiot. So far he appears to be the real deal. His physical skills are without question. He also has no memory, which is vital for quarterbacks and cornerbacks. He seems calm and in charge in the huddle and on the field. His appearances so far have been outstanding for a rookie. However, five games do not make a career. He is the best chance the Broncos have to win and win now, so shut up, sit back and watch what he does in the next couple of seasons. My guess: he’ll be great.

As for Shanahan: if you morons got your way and he was fired, who would you put in his place? What better coach is out there than what we already have? Maybe Bill Cowher, but he’s sitting lakeside in NC for the next several months. Let Mike go and see how many of the 31 teams scramble to hire him. That should tell you something about the man. No coach has a better won/loss percentage over the last 15 years than Shanahan. And the bottom line is winning, baby.

In many ways this season was both the best and worst coaching job Mike has done since he’s been in Denver. The way handled the Plummer/Cutler situation led to Jake playing like a “dead man walking”. The play calling was less than inspired in crucial instances. On the other hand, Mike had the stones to make the QB change to Cutler when it needed to be made. He showed real guts going for it in some vital fourth down situations during the season. Clock management needs to be improved significantly as they wasted opportunities throughout the season. Special teams weren’t very special in every phase except for the consistent excellence of Jason Elam.

Those of you who would rant about firing Shanahan need to save your breath. Bowlen has said he can coach as long as he wants to. Obvously the organization is committed to Mike so worrying about anything else is a wast of time. Again, who’s better that could be brought in? Nobody, that’s who.

Rick in CSprings

Two things for the non-knuckle draggers out there. The rest of you try to keep up.

Anyone who would attempt to make a judgment about Jay Cutler at this stage of his career is a complete mouth-breathing idiot. So far he appears to be the real deal. His physical skills are without question. He also has no memory, which is vital for quarterbacks and cornerbacks. He seems calm and in charge in the huddle and on the field. His appearances so far have been outstanding for a rookie. However, five games do not make a career. He is the best chance the Broncos have to win and win now, so shut up, sit back and watch what he does in the next couple of seasons. My guess: he’ll be great.

As for Shanahan: if you morons got your way and he was fired, who would you put in his place? What better coach is out there than what we already have? Maybe Bill Cowher, but he’s sitting lakeside in NC for the next several months. Let Mike go and see how many of the 31 teams scramble to hire him. That should tell you something about the man. No coach has a better won/loss percentage over the last 15 years than Shanahan. And the bottom line is winning, baby.

In many ways this season was both the best and worst coaching job Mike has done since he’s been in Denver. The way handled the Plummer/Cutler situation led to Jake playing like a “dead man walking”. The play calling was less than inspired in crucial instances. On the other hand, Mike had the stones to make the QB change to Cutler when it needed to be made. He showed real guts going for it in some vital fourth down situations during the season. Clock management needs to be improved significantly as they wasted opportunities throughout the season. Special teams weren’t very special in every phase except for the consistent excellence of Jason Elam.

Those of you who would rant about firing Shanahan need to save your breath. Bowlen has said he can coach as long as he wants to. Obvously the organization is committed to Mike so worrying about anything else is a wast of time. Again, who’s better that could be brought in? Nobody, that’s who.

sleeper

I’m not sure this move will bear fruit. In my mind special teams was a bigger issue. If I had a dollar for everytime the broncos started a drive inside their own 10 yard line I’d buy the drinks for all the bloggers. How many times did we see the opposition start drives on their thirty or forty.In the first loss to San Diego I think they drove the length of the field once and put up over 30 points.A kicker playing his home games at Invesco should lead the league in touchbacks.A pass rusher,a tailback,and Cutler playing to his potential are a must for 07 but if a team only has to drive fifty or sixty yards to score on the broncs, then 07 is going to be another long season.

sleeper

I’m not sure this move will bear fruit. In my mind special teams was a bigger issue. If I had a dollar for everytime the broncos started a drive inside their own 10 yard line I’d buy the drinks for all the bloggers. How many times did we see the opposition start drives on their thirty or forty.In the first loss to San Diego I think they drove the length of the field once and put up over 30 points.A kicker playing his home games at Invesco should lead the league in touchbacks.A pass rusher,a tailback,and Cutler playing to his potential are a must for 07 but if a team only has to drive fifty or sixty yards to score on the broncs, then 07 is going to be another long season.

Ryan

The â€œNew Guyâ€? needs to take a look at the top defenses in the last couple of years and apply. Things like the Jets did this year, where they know there plan and kind of walk around till right before the snap to mess with the Offence.

Ryan

The â€œNew Guyâ€? needs to take a look at the top defenses in the last couple of years and apply. Things like the Jets did this year, where they know there plan and kind of walk around till right before the snap to mess with the Offence.

Mary

azbroncofan – are you sure you didn’t mean Plummer (instead of Cutler)? Cutler did make some stupid rookie mistakes (2 interceptions run back for touchdowns come to mind), but other than those looked good. Meanwhile, I am trying to decide who missed Kubiak more – Plummer or Shanahan. Plummer had his best season ever when Gary was here last year – and the whole offensive scheme looked better with Kubiak as offensive coordinator.

Mary

azbroncofan – are you sure you didn’t mean Plummer (instead of Cutler)? Cutler did make some stupid rookie mistakes (2 interceptions run back for touchdowns come to mind), but other than those looked good. Meanwhile, I am trying to decide who missed Kubiak more – Plummer or Shanahan. Plummer had his best season ever when Gary was here last year – and the whole offensive scheme looked better with Kubiak as offensive coordinator.

Ronnie

I like French Fries.

Ronnie

I like French Fries.

TP

I like Bates, but hopefully he can spell better than comment 146!!

TP

I like Bates, but hopefully he can spell better than comment 146!!

TP

138, are you blind. Or have you not seen Jake playing ability the last 4 years. The only reason why this guy did not look like a major train wreck was because he was with a good team. Yes, he was better than Greise, but even Greise was able to when 9-10 games a season with the Broncos. The reality check is the Broncos have been such a great team over the past few years they are able to win, and win good, under poor to average QB play. It is amazing to think what the Broncos could do with a consistant or good QB. Jay Cutler will be better than Jake and Brain combined, and that is a fact! Jake did not when games for the Broncos, the Broncos did.In almost every game, the Broncos had to pick up the slack of Jake Plummer poor play, just so they could win. Jake always played poorly or sub-par at best! Don’t crown him and say he was awesome because then you are lieing in you own face.

TP

138, are you blind. Or have you not seen Jake playing ability the last 4 years. The only reason why this guy did not look like a major train wreck was because he was with a good team. Yes, he was better than Greise, but even Greise was able to when 9-10 games a season with the Broncos. The reality check is the Broncos have been such a great team over the past few years they are able to win, and win good, under poor to average QB play. It is amazing to think what the Broncos could do with a consistant or good QB. Jay Cutler will be better than Jake and Brain combined, and that is a fact! Jake did not when games for the Broncos, the Broncos did.In almost every game, the Broncos had to pick up the slack of Jake Plummer poor play, just so they could win. Jake always played poorly or sub-par at best! Don’t crown him and say he was awesome because then you are lieing in you own face.

Dont be Naive

Kubiac was no mastermind either. His “too cute” play calling screwed us from time to time. Shanahan’s ego doesn’t allow anyone else to make descisions anyway. He screwed us again in April when he didn’t draft Vince Young and an over-rated Jay Cutler was still available for the Broncos.

The play calling this year was Mike’s attempt at getting Jake out as early as possible. He doesn’t like Jake. Maybe because he broke most of Elways records. Maybe because he’s an A-hole in traffic. When Jake was in, Brandon Marshall barely played, the TEs didn’t run downfield and we never rolled out. We didn’t play to Jake’s strengths – probably purposely. Why did Cutler come back in the 2nd half against SF? He obviously was still foggy. (3 time-outs in 4 plays). Mike’s ego couldn’t let Jake win the game that gets us in the playoffs.

The most promising rookie in my mind is Marshall. If not for him, Cutler’s numbers would be pretty bad. The two picks for TDs and the 8 fumbles are NOT “rookie mistakes”. Not reading a defense correctly, confusing some offensive calls, not recognizing a blitz are “rookie mistakes”. Inability to take the snap is more of a “head up ass” problem.

You can post all the stats you want, but the only one that matters is win %. I guess you fantasy football dorks don’t get “points” if your QB wins. If Elway played in the fantasy football era, you “fans” would have benched him in ’89. Fantasy football is for losers who know very little about a TEAM sport – it’s fantasy. Like Dungeons and Dragons. I suggest you fantasy players go back to playing with 13-sided dice. Maybe you can become a 9th level douchebag by next season.

Dont be Naive

Kubiac was no mastermind either. His “too cute” play calling screwed us from time to time. Shanahan’s ego doesn’t allow anyone else to make descisions anyway. He screwed us again in April when he didn’t draft Vince Young and an over-rated Jay Cutler was still available for the Broncos.

The play calling this year was Mike’s attempt at getting Jake out as early as possible. He doesn’t like Jake. Maybe because he broke most of Elways records. Maybe because he’s an A-hole in traffic. When Jake was in, Brandon Marshall barely played, the TEs didn’t run downfield and we never rolled out. We didn’t play to Jake’s strengths – probably purposely. Why did Cutler come back in the 2nd half against SF? He obviously was still foggy. (3 time-outs in 4 plays). Mike’s ego couldn’t let Jake win the game that gets us in the playoffs.

The most promising rookie in my mind is Marshall. If not for him, Cutler’s numbers would be pretty bad. The two picks for TDs and the 8 fumbles are NOT “rookie mistakes”. Not reading a defense correctly, confusing some offensive calls, not recognizing a blitz are “rookie mistakes”. Inability to take the snap is more of a “head up ass” problem.

You can post all the stats you want, but the only one that matters is win %. I guess you fantasy football dorks don’t get “points” if your QB wins. If Elway played in the fantasy football era, you “fans” would have benched him in ’89. Fantasy football is for losers who know very little about a TEAM sport – it’s fantasy. Like Dungeons and Dragons. I suggest you fantasy players go back to playing with 13-sided dice. Maybe you can become a 9th level douchebag by next season.

Reality check

TP, go back to the sticks in Tennessee and get your GED. Your spelling and grammar are almost as dumb as the editorial content you’re spewing. OK, you’re right, Jake played poorly or subpar at best. The Broncos had to work extra hard to win despite him. . .yawn. At least if you made some original, thought-provoking statements I could buy it.
Question: If the Broncos were so good they could win despite a stiff like Plummer, why could they only manage to go 2-3 against mediocre teams with the playoffs on the line with Cutler at the helm?

Also, Rex Ryan was quoted in Sports Illustrated as saying Trevor Pryce was the best defensive player in football this year. Of course we cut him, but Shanahan doesn’t ever make mistakes, does he?

Reality check

TP, go back to the sticks in Tennessee and get your GED. Your spelling and grammar are almost as dumb as the editorial content you’re spewing. OK, you’re right, Jake played poorly or subpar at best. The Broncos had to work extra hard to win despite him. . .yawn. At least if you made some original, thought-provoking statements I could buy it.
Question: If the Broncos were so good they could win despite a stiff like Plummer, why could they only manage to go 2-3 against mediocre teams with the playoffs on the line with Cutler at the helm?

Also, Rex Ryan was quoted in Sports Illustrated as saying Trevor Pryce was the best defensive player in football this year. Of course we cut him, but Shanahan doesn’t ever make mistakes, does he?

TP

YEEEEE HAWWWWWW. How yall doin’ folks. I from there sticks in Tensie and I just whant to say yello from sticks land!

Reality Check you can bash my grammer errors all you want and all you will be doin’ is pounding sand. You question my post because my post actually have good points. Yawn…. I get bored reading your comments because they are all the same. CRY CRY CRY, I want Pryce back, CRY CRY CRY I want the MISTAKE back. You want to know why Pryce is in Raven land.. The Pryce tag! Trevor may of had one of his best seasons ever in Raven Land,but take in that Pryce is playing with the best Defense and is surrounded by All-Pro defensive players. Not only is Pryce Prycy he is also old(10 vet), and there is no need to pay that kind of money for a player who only has one more year of productivity. Without a doubt next year Pryce not have the same productivity he had this year.

Also Rex Ryan is dumb. That guy should not be able to hold a pencil in front of a piece of paper. And you are a sap for listening to him. Tell me MR. Reality Check, when was the last time the best defensive player of the year did not make the pro-bowl?…. If Pryce was so good, why is he not on the 2007 Pro-Bowl roster? Hey, Reality Check, the next time you post up some rubber chicken quote like that of Rex Ryan you might want to look up some good quality info. That comment just makes you look like you are from there Sticks of Tenesie!

Also, I will answer your question of why the Broncos went 2-3 in a “mediocre” (spell check) schedule. Lets look at the schedule shall we.
1. Seattle, went to the Superbowl last year and also won a playoff game this year.
2. San Diego, finshed 14-2 this year and won the AFC West, also has the leagues MVP
3.Arizona, Great WR athletic Defense.
4. Cincinnati, Has one of the best QB in the NFL, also has the best depth at wide out in the NFL. Were major playoff contenders this, pretty good defense.
5. San Fran, One of the leagues best rusher (Frank Gore)- Mentioned as one of the Most improved team in the NFL by NFL.com.- Hungry to Play a spoiler

Reality Check you bring up some good comments but they just don’t amount to anything. Bring some hard core evidence if you have a problem with what Shanny is doing. Also, you question your own smarts by doubting Cutler ability. Lets not forget that this guy was a rookie. But most off all nobody thought that in his rookie season he would not see a chance at some playing time, but Jaked f*&# that up didn’t he. ha ha ha

TP

YEEEEE HAWWWWWW. How yall doin’ folks. I from there sticks in Tensie and I just whant to say yello from sticks land!

Reality Check you can bash my grammer errors all you want and all you will be doin’ is pounding sand. You question my post because my post actually have good points. Yawn…. I get bored reading your comments because they are all the same. CRY CRY CRY, I want Pryce back, CRY CRY CRY I want the MISTAKE back. You want to know why Pryce is in Raven land.. The Pryce tag! Trevor may of had one of his best seasons ever in Raven Land,but take in that Pryce is playing with the best Defense and is surrounded by All-Pro defensive players. Not only is Pryce Prycy he is also old(10 vet), and there is no need to pay that kind of money for a player who only has one more year of productivity. Without a doubt next year Pryce not have the same productivity he had this year.

Also Rex Ryan is dumb. That guy should not be able to hold a pencil in front of a piece of paper. And you are a sap for listening to him. Tell me MR. Reality Check, when was the last time the best defensive player of the year did not make the pro-bowl?…. If Pryce was so good, why is he not on the 2007 Pro-Bowl roster? Hey, Reality Check, the next time you post up some rubber chicken quote like that of Rex Ryan you might want to look up some good quality info. That comment just makes you look like you are from there Sticks of Tenesie!

Also, I will answer your question of why the Broncos went 2-3 in a “mediocre” (spell check) schedule. Lets look at the schedule shall we.
1. Seattle, went to the Superbowl last year and also won a playoff game this year.
2. San Diego, finshed 14-2 this year and won the AFC West, also has the leagues MVP
3.Arizona, Great WR athletic Defense.
4. Cincinnati, Has one of the best QB in the NFL, also has the best depth at wide out in the NFL. Were major playoff contenders this, pretty good defense.
5. San Fran, One of the leagues best rusher (Frank Gore)- Mentioned as one of the Most improved team in the NFL by NFL.com.- Hungry to Play a spoiler

Reality Check you bring up some good comments but they just don’t amount to anything. Bring some hard core evidence if you have a problem with what Shanny is doing. Also, you question your own smarts by doubting Cutler ability. Lets not forget that this guy was a rookie. But most off all nobody thought that in his rookie season he would not see a chance at some playing time, but Jaked f*&# that up didn’t he. ha ha ha

James

Dont be Naive- obviously a former jock who peaked in high school that never understood them “brain” games. “Whuddya mean, ee-mag-na-shun? When do I get to hit sumpin’!” Didn’t you realize that you’re already a MASTER douchebag that’s beyond levels?

Did Mike Shanahan steal your girlfriend or something? The paranoia and the conspiracies, my my. Perhaps you should ask your doc to up your dose.

Plummer is, and always will be, an average QB. Get that thru your thick, man-crush on Jake havin’ skull. He had his BEST “win %” and years playing for Shanahan in Denver, idiot. That’s not an accident, nor is it a coincidence.

Shanahan has HOW many rings? And your boyfriend Jake has…. oh right. NONE.

Jake owes his success to the guy that built the good team that he had the good fortune to play on and GET that “winning %” that you’re so focused on. The architect gets the credit for the design of the house, NOT the guy that hammers the nails while following the plan.

Look Plummer’s “win %” with AZ, and then compare to Denver. What, he gets ALL credit for winning in Denver, but NO criticism for his abysmal numbers in AZ?

You can’t have it both ways, knucklehead.

James

Dont be Naive- obviously a former jock who peaked in high school that never understood them “brain” games. “Whuddya mean, ee-mag-na-shun? When do I get to hit sumpin’!” Didn’t you realize that you’re already a MASTER douchebag that’s beyond levels?

Did Mike Shanahan steal your girlfriend or something? The paranoia and the conspiracies, my my. Perhaps you should ask your doc to up your dose.

Plummer is, and always will be, an average QB. Get that thru your thick, man-crush on Jake havin’ skull. He had his BEST “win %” and years playing for Shanahan in Denver, idiot. That’s not an accident, nor is it a coincidence.

Shanahan has HOW many rings? And your boyfriend Jake has…. oh right. NONE.

Jake owes his success to the guy that built the good team that he had the good fortune to play on and GET that “winning %” that you’re so focused on. The architect gets the credit for the design of the house, NOT the guy that hammers the nails while following the plan.

Look Plummer’s “win %” with AZ, and then compare to Denver. What, he gets ALL credit for winning in Denver, but NO criticism for his abysmal numbers in AZ?

You can’t have it both ways, knucklehead.

Anonymous

“Rex Ryan was quoted in Sports Illustrated as saying Trevor Pryce was the best defensive player in football this year.”

You mean the Ravens D coordinator complimented one of HIS players? Oh my gosh, stop the presses!! He MUST be right. He sure doesn’t have a dog in that hunt, totally objective that Rex.

So freaking what, dude. TP benefited from a MUCH better scheme than here, and better players on the line to absorb blockers.

Get a grip. If you hate the team so much, go away.

Anonymous

“Rex Ryan was quoted in Sports Illustrated as saying Trevor Pryce was the best defensive player in football this year.”

You mean the Ravens D coordinator complimented one of HIS players? Oh my gosh, stop the presses!! He MUST be right. He sure doesn’t have a dog in that hunt, totally objective that Rex.

So freaking what, dude. TP benefited from a MUCH better scheme than here, and better players on the line to absorb blockers.

Get a grip. If you hate the team so much, go away.

#1CABRONCOFAN

Enough with this fire Shannahan crap. Wake up people. Mike does an outstanding job coaching every year and getting the best out of his players.
The problem as a coach in the NFL is that they have to deal with the salary cap. You cant have great players every year its imposible. Shanny has done a great job with the players and resourses he’s had.

I would like to remind everyone that when the broncos won the two superbowls they were loaded on offense and defense special teams and all. The Bronco organization was desperate to win one for Johnn.
Elway didnt win it alone he had great talent around him not to mention a GREAT COACH.

Look for Shannie to do the same soon, his days/years as the Broncos coach are numbered. We are not going to have him as a coach for ever. I ask anyone to name another coach besides Belichik has won two or more superbowls since 1996?

Stop crying about our coach you girly men. I am willing to bet my house that Shannie only has a couple of more years left as the broncos head coach. He drafted Cuttler because he wants to win a championship soon. Look for him to reload with talent the next couple of years and win at least another championship.

Then he will retire for a year, come back as a coach for another team and all you moroons will be crying when his new team is kicking our butts!

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http://AFGUIZAR #1CABRONCOFAN

Enough with this fire Shannahan crap. Wake up people. Mike does an outstanding job coaching every year and getting the best out of his players.
The problem as a coach in the NFL is that they have to deal with the salary cap. You cant have great players every year its imposible. Shanny has done a great job with the players and resourses he’s had.

I would like to remind everyone that when the broncos won the two superbowls they were loaded on offense and defense special teams and all. The Bronco organization was desperate to win one for Johnn.
Elway didnt win it alone he had great talent around him not to mention a GREAT COACH.

Look for Shannie to do the same soon, his days/years as the Broncos coach are numbered. We are not going to have him as a coach for ever. I ask anyone to name another coach besides Belichik has won two or more superbowls since 1996?

Stop crying about our coach you girly men. I am willing to bet my house that Shannie only has a couple of more years left as the broncos head coach. He drafted Cuttler because he wants to win a championship soon. Look for him to reload with talent the next couple of years and win at least another championship.

Then he will retire for a year, come back as a coach for another team and all you moroons will be crying when his new team is kicking our butts!

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SDBroncofan

Don’t be Naive #151. I would rather play fantasy football than live on the Jake Plummer fantasy Island like you are. Just come out and say it, you love Jake, you hug and kiss his poster every night before you go to bed and you will ignore the mountain of evidence that Jake has lost more games for the Denver Broncos on his own than he has won. You will do and say the most ridiculous to try and justify your Jake should be the starter fantasy.

Your first ignorant statement ” play calling this year was Mike’s way of getting Jake out “. ARE YOU JOKING ? That has got to be one of the stupidest comments I have ever read. You are right Shanahan called the throw the interception play too many times in the St. Louis game and then another 8 or 9 times in the next 10 games. I watched every games this year and Jake is lucky he only ended up with 13 INTs this year because I saw another 5 – 6 that were dropped. Mike also called the QB fumble 7 times and Jake executed that play very well.

Moron statement #2 Mike never called the roll out play for Jake and played to his strengths. This statement shows your low football and every day IQ. If you knew anything about football you would know that the Steelers figured out last year how to take away the boot leg or roll out by having the ends stay home on the handoff and run to the outside and the fake which is where they ran the bootleg. Let me dumb it down for you, the defenses took away the boot leg. Why, because the entire league knows that Jake can’t pass from the pocket and will throw the INT if made to pass from the pocket. Sorry to shatter your ” Jake got screwed ” fantasy you live in.

Moron statement #3 Mikes ego kept Jake from winning the SF game. Again just amazed at this statement. WHAT F ING GAME WERE YOU WATCHING? Jake came in and threw two passes, one incomplete the other complete to the other team. Did Mike call the interception play again, maybe I don’t know but Jake looked like he did the rest of the year, pathetic.

Moron statement #4 too many rookie mistakes by Cutler. Hello dork, he is a rookie !!!
How do you explain Jakes rookie mistakes in his 10th year ? You say Cutler fumbled a snap and that is a ” head up ass problem “. Dude you need to pull yours out of Jakes because Jake had 7 fumbles in 11 games and many of those were just from the ball slipping out of jakes girl hands.

Moron statement # 5 last but certainly not the stupidest, winning % is the only stat that matters. This is the only way you can support your creepy I love Jake he got screwed theory. Winning % is only a stat that bolsters the fact that Mike Shanahan is one of if not the best coaches in the league. This team has won is spite of Jakes mistakes. There would have been no AFC championship game last year without Champ Baily who took a pick to the house and won that game against New England. Shanahan has one of the best winning percentages and does it while having to draft late in each round and let great players go because of salary cap.

I look forward to the off season so we can find out what stupid team will take Jake and all you no clue Plummer dorks will go with him.

SDBroncofan

Don’t be Naive #151. I would rather play fantasy football than live on the Jake Plummer fantasy Island like you are. Just come out and say it, you love Jake, you hug and kiss his poster every night before you go to bed and you will ignore the mountain of evidence that Jake has lost more games for the Denver Broncos on his own than he has won. You will do and say the most ridiculous to try and justify your Jake should be the starter fantasy.

Your first ignorant statement ” play calling this year was Mike’s way of getting Jake out “. ARE YOU JOKING ? That has got to be one of the stupidest comments I have ever read. You are right Shanahan called the throw the interception play too many times in the St. Louis game and then another 8 or 9 times in the next 10 games. I watched every games this year and Jake is lucky he only ended up with 13 INTs this year because I saw another 5 – 6 that were dropped. Mike also called the QB fumble 7 times and Jake executed that play very well.

Moron statement #2 Mike never called the roll out play for Jake and played to his strengths. This statement shows your low football and every day IQ. If you knew anything about football you would know that the Steelers figured out last year how to take away the boot leg or roll out by having the ends stay home on the handoff and run to the outside and the fake which is where they ran the bootleg. Let me dumb it down for you, the defenses took away the boot leg. Why, because the entire league knows that Jake can’t pass from the pocket and will throw the INT if made to pass from the pocket. Sorry to shatter your ” Jake got screwed ” fantasy you live in.

Moron statement #3 Mikes ego kept Jake from winning the SF game. Again just amazed at this statement. WHAT F ING GAME WERE YOU WATCHING? Jake came in and threw two passes, one incomplete the other complete to the other team. Did Mike call the interception play again, maybe I don’t know but Jake looked like he did the rest of the year, pathetic.

Moron statement #4 too many rookie mistakes by Cutler. Hello dork, he is a rookie !!!
How do you explain Jakes rookie mistakes in his 10th year ? You say Cutler fumbled a snap and that is a ” head up ass problem “. Dude you need to pull yours out of Jakes because Jake had 7 fumbles in 11 games and many of those were just from the ball slipping out of jakes girl hands.

Moron statement # 5 last but certainly not the stupidest, winning % is the only stat that matters. This is the only way you can support your creepy I love Jake he got screwed theory. Winning % is only a stat that bolsters the fact that Mike Shanahan is one of if not the best coaches in the league. This team has won is spite of Jakes mistakes. There would have been no AFC championship game last year without Champ Baily who took a pick to the house and won that game against New England. Shanahan has one of the best winning percentages and does it while having to draft late in each round and let great players go because of salary cap.

I look forward to the off season so we can find out what stupid team will take Jake and all you no clue Plummer dorks will go with him.

BooZie

Why does everyone argue with each other. Hire or fire, the Broncos are going nowhere. Elway won us 2 superbowls which is the only thing we can hold on to, because as long as Shanahan is around, the Broncos will ALWAYS be one of the best teams that won’t win the big one.

BooZie

Why does everyone argue with each other. Hire or fire, the Broncos are going nowhere. Elway won us 2 superbowls which is the only thing we can hold on to, because as long as Shanahan is around, the Broncos will ALWAYS be one of the best teams that won’t win the big one.

http://myway.com/ MoBroncoFan

I’m greatful Pat Bowlen has the stones, not to mention the brains, to say Shannahan will be coach of the Broncs for as long as he wants. Saying Mike never won a Super Bowl without Elway misses the fact that Dan Reeves, another excellent coach, by the way, never won one WITH him. You can only go so far with mediocre talent. Give Mike some guys to work with and see what he does. Is Ted Sundquist’s job secure with all the draft mistakes he’s made? In the real world, if you don’t do your job, you get fired. Coyer didn’t do his job. Trevor Price didn’t do his job. Jake Plummer didn’t do his job. I’m not saying they couldn’t … but they didn’t. I think this is the year to hold Sundquist’s feet to the fire and see what kind of draft day work he does.

http://myway.com MoBroncoFan

I’m greatful Pat Bowlen has the stones, not to mention the brains, to say Shannahan will be coach of the Broncs for as long as he wants. Saying Mike never won a Super Bowl without Elway misses the fact that Dan Reeves, another excellent coach, by the way, never won one WITH him. You can only go so far with mediocre talent. Give Mike some guys to work with and see what he does. Is Ted Sundquist’s job secure with all the draft mistakes he’s made? In the real world, if you don’t do your job, you get fired. Coyer didn’t do his job. Trevor Price didn’t do his job. Jake Plummer didn’t do his job. I’m not saying they couldn’t … but they didn’t. I think this is the year to hold Sundquist’s feet to the fire and see what kind of draft day work he does.

TP

SDBroncofan you are a genius. I could not have said anything better. I wish there were more Bronco fans like you and I. (I.E. smart and intellegent ones!)

TP

SDBroncofan you are a genius. I could not have said anything better. I wish there were more Bronco fans like you and I. (I.E. smart and intellegent ones!)

TNT

I’d say Sundquist did some pretty solid draft day work last year: Cutler, Javon Walker, Tony Scheffler, Brandon Marshall, Elvis Dumerville, and this Kuper kid they’re so high on. Except for maybe New England and New York (jets), Who had a better draft?

TNT

I’d say Sundquist did some pretty solid draft day work last year: Cutler, Javon Walker, Tony Scheffler, Brandon Marshall, Elvis Dumerville, and this Kuper kid they’re so high on. Except for maybe New England and New York (jets), Who had a better draft?

Gary Rintel

Anyone remember how many of our draft picks from 2003 are still on our roster? Or in the league at all? After Shanahan trades Big George soon, the answers will be none and one.

Gary Rintel

Anyone remember how many of our draft picks from 2003 are still on our roster? Or in the league at all? After Shanahan trades Big George soon, the answers will be none and one.

TP

Gary Rintel, you either have a short memory or you either have one argument/comment. The reality is 2003 is one of the most underachiveing draft classes in the NFL.

Out of the top ten choices here are the busts or sub par players
2. Charles Rodgers
4. Dewyne Rodgers
5. Terrence Newman
6. Johnathen Sullivan
7. Bryon Leftwich
8. Jordan Gross
9. Kevin Williams.
So that means that 70% of the top 10 picks in the 2003 draft are not worthy of being top ten picks today.

So you can go onto the NFl.com and go under the 2003 NFL draft and identify all the great or good players that came out of the draft.

TP

Gary Rintel, you either have a short memory or you either have one argument/comment. The reality is 2003 is one of the most underachiveing draft classes in the NFL.

Out of the top ten choices here are the busts or sub par players
2. Charles Rodgers
4. Dewyne Rodgers
5. Terrence Newman
6. Johnathen Sullivan
7. Bryon Leftwich
8. Jordan Gross
9. Kevin Williams.
So that means that 70% of the top 10 picks in the 2003 draft are not worthy of being top ten picks today.

So you can go onto the NFl.com and go under the 2003 NFL draft and identify all the great or good players that came out of the draft.

Firing Coyer is fine I suppose, but really he is one in the line of several Defensive coordinators in the Shanahan era. All since the Greg Robinson era have sufferd from the same fundemental problem..the lack of a pass rush. And the only reason Greg Robinson was able to generate a pass rush is because he had the luxury of bliting at will due to the 30 plus points the offense put up every game…the bottom line is this, if they really want to adress the problems that hinder this Defense, they need to switch to a 3-4 defense..It is much eaisier to find a linebacker capable of getting pressure than a traditional D-end (i.e Marriman, J Porter). Not to mention it makes it way easier to disguise your blitzes. It is no cooincidence that the teams that have won 4 of the last 5 Super Bowls were 3-4 teams who relied on Defense and pressure on the QB to succeed. The Broncos could cut Courtney Brown to save some money, install Nate Webster (very capableand well paid backup line backer) into the other midle line backer slot. This would allow the speed of Ian Gold and DJ Williams to give offensive tackles fits. INstead of continuing to throw $$$ at Defensive ends that are either injury prone or inconsistant (see Courtney Brown, Reggie Hayward etc) we could play to the strength of the defense (the line backers). The front 3 would then just need to ocupy the interior linemen and get a push up the middle (which Gerard Warren has proven he can do when healthy)

But it appears we will continuie to run the 4-3 and suffer from our corners needing to cover for 10 seconds in order to get pressure on the QB…If your are going to change the coach, try changing the philosipy as well.

Chris English

Firing Coyer is fine I suppose, but really he is one in the line of several Defensive coordinators in the Shanahan era. All since the Greg Robinson era have sufferd from the same fundemental problem..the lack of a pass rush. And the only reason Greg Robinson was able to generate a pass rush is because he had the luxury of bliting at will due to the 30 plus points the offense put up every game…the bottom line is this, if they really want to adress the problems that hinder this Defense, they need to switch to a 3-4 defense..It is much eaisier to find a linebacker capable of getting pressure than a traditional D-end (i.e Marriman, J Porter). Not to mention it makes it way easier to disguise your blitzes. It is no cooincidence that the teams that have won 4 of the last 5 Super Bowls were 3-4 teams who relied on Defense and pressure on the QB to succeed. The Broncos could cut Courtney Brown to save some money, install Nate Webster (very capableand well paid backup line backer) into the other midle line backer slot. This would allow the speed of Ian Gold and DJ Williams to give offensive tackles fits. INstead of continuing to throw $$$ at Defensive ends that are either injury prone or inconsistant (see Courtney Brown, Reggie Hayward etc) we could play to the strength of the defense (the line backers). The front 3 would then just need to ocupy the interior linemen and get a push up the middle (which Gerard Warren has proven he can do when healthy)

But it appears we will continuie to run the 4-3 and suffer from our corners needing to cover for 10 seconds in order to get pressure on the QB…If your are going to change the coach, try changing the philosipy as well.

Ryan

For the doomsdayers, please remember that Denver is not the center of the football universe. I’m die-hard Broncos myself, but seriously, some folks act like we’re the only team having a hard time getting back to the status of Super Bowl Champions, or getting there at all. We had a “down” year, by our standards, and it still brought us to the edge of the playoffs.
Truth is, lots of fans have no desire to look at the big picture. Case in point, less than a calendar year ago, we’re talking about one of Shanahan’s best years, now 9-7 and a year later and he’s lost it? Wow. Do a little research.
Two Super Bowls in the past ten years. I’d like another but I’ll take it. For those of you with longer memories, where were the Patriots for several years before this recent streak of success? Nowhere on the football map. And as much as I’d like to rattle off the long list of NFL cities who would love to have anywhere close to the amount of success we’ve had, I don’t feel like typing that much.

Ryan

For the doomsdayers, please remember that Denver is not the center of the football universe. I’m die-hard Broncos myself, but seriously, some folks act like we’re the only team having a hard time getting back to the status of Super Bowl Champions, or getting there at all. We had a “down” year, by our standards, and it still brought us to the edge of the playoffs.
Truth is, lots of fans have no desire to look at the big picture. Case in point, less than a calendar year ago, we’re talking about one of Shanahan’s best years, now 9-7 and a year later and he’s lost it? Wow. Do a little research.
Two Super Bowls in the past ten years. I’d like another but I’ll take it. For those of you with longer memories, where were the Patriots for several years before this recent streak of success? Nowhere on the football map. And as much as I’d like to rattle off the long list of NFL cities who would love to have anywhere close to the amount of success we’ve had, I don’t feel like typing that much.

daveyg

u gotta understand that shanahan cuttin pryce was a must-do. pryce was meant 2 be cut a year earlier but he took a paycut instead. pryce’s 13 sacks makes denver look stupid, but affording him for 9 million and not being able to afford cutler or javon walker woulda put denver in a deeper hole.

daveyg

u gotta understand that shanahan cuttin pryce was a must-do. pryce was meant 2 be cut a year earlier but he took a paycut instead. pryce’s 13 sacks makes denver look stupid, but affording him for 9 million and not being able to afford cutler or javon walker woulda put denver in a deeper hole.

Calbroncofan

Denver’s offensive playbook was limited by Plummer’s abilities (mostly weak arm and propensity to commit errors). Trust me, next year the offense is gonna explode just like old times.
Defense (specially D-line and linebackers) must be shored up. DBs look good when you have complementary front seven. If they cannot make it to the QB or affect the passing rhythm then DBs cannot do much. I think Mike did very well in getting rid of Coyer – he will also redesign the defensive line. Welcome to Bates Motel.

Calbroncofan

Denver’s offensive playbook was limited by Plummer’s abilities (mostly weak arm and propensity to commit errors). Trust me, next year the offense is gonna explode just like old times.
Defense (specially D-line and linebackers) must be shored up. DBs look good when you have complementary front seven. If they cannot make it to the QB or affect the passing rhythm then DBs cannot do much. I think Mike did very well in getting rid of Coyer – he will also redesign the defensive line. Welcome to Bates Motel.

TP

Carolina probably has one of the worst secondaries in the NFL. But nobody picks on them you know why… the offense never has time. A secondary can look errorless when the D-Line consistanly pressures the o-line and QB. This in return makes the QB unsettled and prone to mistakes. A defense should always be built around the D-Line. The better the D-Line the better the defense, that is just a fact. Bates will help the rushing attack (look at Jason Taylor carrer once Bates took over of D-Cordinator!), but the Broncos should still pick up some complementary talent on the D-Line.

Linebacker are set. DJ Williams and Wilson are the strong points. Williams by far has the brighter and better future out of all of them. I wish D-Will was still around because not only was he a heck of a person, he was also a young very talented player, that could have done some great things….

Safeties are old, Lynch still produces (Pro-Bowl), Ferguson will be washed up because of injury, so that needs some focus too.

Offense:
Needs a solid younger RB (Cedric Benson anyone) who can take the majority of the load.
WR are good, I see Marshall and Walker starting with Smith as 2-3 WR. Although adding young talent could help Jay.
TE are good. Tony looks to be a great or at least a productive player.
O-Line could use a revamp.
QB at this point looks to be bright. Cutler has the strengh of arm and body to be great. Also plays good under pressure, umlike defense. The only problem with next year that I can forsee with Cutler will be more experiance and how he is able to learn from his mistakes, something Jake was not able to do. I predict and 10-6, 11-5, record.12-4 record at best. Overall the Future does look good and maybe a SB in the next 2-4 years.. IT TAKES TIME PEOPLE!!

TP

Carolina probably has one of the worst secondaries in the NFL. But nobody picks on them you know why… the offense never has time. A secondary can look errorless when the D-Line consistanly pressures the o-line and QB. This in return makes the QB unsettled and prone to mistakes. A defense should always be built around the D-Line. The better the D-Line the better the defense, that is just a fact. Bates will help the rushing attack (look at Jason Taylor carrer once Bates took over of D-Cordinator!), but the Broncos should still pick up some complementary talent on the D-Line.

Linebacker are set. DJ Williams and Wilson are the strong points. Williams by far has the brighter and better future out of all of them. I wish D-Will was still around because not only was he a heck of a person, he was also a young very talented player, that could have done some great things….

Safeties are old, Lynch still produces (Pro-Bowl), Ferguson will be washed up because of injury, so that needs some focus too.

Offense:
Needs a solid younger RB (Cedric Benson anyone) who can take the majority of the load.
WR are good, I see Marshall and Walker starting with Smith as 2-3 WR. Although adding young talent could help Jay.
TE are good. Tony looks to be a great or at least a productive player.
O-Line could use a revamp.
QB at this point looks to be bright. Cutler has the strengh of arm and body to be great. Also plays good under pressure, umlike defense. The only problem with next year that I can forsee with Cutler will be more experiance and how he is able to learn from his mistakes, something Jake was not able to do. I predict and 10-6, 11-5, record.12-4 record at best. Overall the Future does look good and maybe a SB in the next 2-4 years.. IT TAKES TIME PEOPLE!!

heykyleinsf

The last 6-7 posts were really good. It does take patience, especially (which I still can’t believe) for those who say Shanahan should be fired.
The 2006 draft class was given a D- by Dan Pompei of the Sporting News. Truth is, Shanahan and the broncos may have had their best draft in one year in the entire history of the organization.
Of course time will have to tell, but the early results are extra positive. Also, you have to consider Walker as a part of the draft class, whom we acquired by a draft trade.

And some people think Shanahan has to go.

Geeessh!!

I know there are lots of Broncos historians more knowledgable than me, I’d like anyone’s opinion of what the best draft year was in our history. I think everyone has to agree 2006 ranks up there, if not #1.

heykyleinsf

The last 6-7 posts were really good. It does take patience, especially (which I still can’t believe) for those who say Shanahan should be fired.
The 2006 draft class was given a D- by Dan Pompei of the Sporting News. Truth is, Shanahan and the broncos may have had their best draft in one year in the entire history of the organization.
Of course time will have to tell, but the early results are extra positive. Also, you have to consider Walker as a part of the draft class, whom we acquired by a draft trade.

And some people think Shanahan has to go.

Geeessh!!

I know there are lots of Broncos historians more knowledgable than me, I’d like anyone’s opinion of what the best draft year was in our history. I think everyone has to agree 2006 ranks up there, if not #1.

TP

heykykeinsf, you are right time will tell. I think Jay, Tony, Brandon, Jevon are going to be the bright future of the Broncos. However, you make a very bold statement by saying the 2006 draft will be the best in Broncos History. For one thing we will not know that until another 10-15 years weither or not the draft is the best. Also, if I remember correctly in 1983 the Broncos traded for a guy named John freakin’ Elway. All John did was become a Hall of Famer, won two superbowls and went to 5 Superbowls. If Jay and all of these kids can do that, it could go down as the best Draft.

WITHOUT A DOUBT THE 1983 DRAFT FOR THE BRONCOS WAS THE BEST!!!

Although, if Jay becomes the player that I think he will become, Elway like, the 2006 draft could go down as one of the luckiest drafts in Broncos history.

TP

heykykeinsf, you are right time will tell. I think Jay, Tony, Brandon, Jevon are going to be the bright future of the Broncos. However, you make a very bold statement by saying the 2006 draft will be the best in Broncos History. For one thing we will not know that until another 10-15 years weither or not the draft is the best. Also, if I remember correctly in 1983 the Broncos traded for a guy named John freakin’ Elway. All John did was become a Hall of Famer, won two superbowls and went to 5 Superbowls. If Jay and all of these kids can do that, it could go down as the best Draft.

WITHOUT A DOUBT THE 1983 DRAFT FOR THE BRONCOS WAS THE BEST!!!

Although, if Jay becomes the player that I think he will become, Elway like, the 2006 draft could go down as one of the luckiest drafts in Broncos history.

Jim in Dallas

I had hoped Coyer would be gone the second the last game was over. The defense was kind of a shamm in the beginning of the season. Opposing offenses were coincedentially not up to par yet, it was not that the defense was soooo good. The philosophy of bend but don’t break is unrealistic. Commentators this season thought it was clever to say, “the way Denver beats you is they expect you to make a mistake.” Well the NFL, strangely enough, is full of PROFESSIONALS. Most teams with a winning record don’t make a lot of mistakes. To get to the Super Bowl you will have to face those teams with a better friggin’ plan than hope there is a mistake along the way. Not enough pressure on quarterbacks and waiting for receivers to catch the ball were the two glaring problems with the defense. Why is Champ Bailey the only one trying to defend a pass? The defensive backs have got to learn how to get a friggin’ hand in the air and attempt to disrupt a pass. Now the offense is pretty easy to sum up…the O-line $ucked. Neither Jake nor Jay had much of chance to get a pass off this season. Secondly, I see a lot of Elway in Jay. That means every play is basically a broken play. We need to forget timing patterns and just ask the receivers to GET OPEN. Jay has an arm like Elway, if a play falls apart, then the receivers should just head to the endzone and he will find them like the old days with Vance and Rickey. Mike give me a job on your staff.

Jim in Dallas

I had hoped Coyer would be gone the second the last game was over. The defense was kind of a shamm in the beginning of the season. Opposing offenses were coincedentially not up to par yet, it was not that the defense was soooo good. The philosophy of bend but don’t break is unrealistic. Commentators this season thought it was clever to say, “the way Denver beats you is they expect you to make a mistake.” Well the NFL, strangely enough, is full of PROFESSIONALS. Most teams with a winning record don’t make a lot of mistakes. To get to the Super Bowl you will have to face those teams with a better friggin’ plan than hope there is a mistake along the way. Not enough pressure on quarterbacks and waiting for receivers to catch the ball were the two glaring problems with the defense. Why is Champ Bailey the only one trying to defend a pass? The defensive backs have got to learn how to get a friggin’ hand in the air and attempt to disrupt a pass. Now the offense is pretty easy to sum up…the O-line $ucked. Neither Jake nor Jay had much of chance to get a pass off this season. Secondly, I see a lot of Elway in Jay. That means every play is basically a broken play. We need to forget timing patterns and just ask the receivers to GET OPEN. Jay has an arm like Elway, if a play falls apart, then the receivers should just head to the endzone and he will find them like the old days with Vance and Rickey. Mike give me a job on your staff.

heykyleinsf

hopefully 2007 will go down as the best draft ever. that would get us back to the dance.

And whiners in general.. since shanahan came to denver, the broncos own easily one of the top five records in the NFL since. I would not be surprised if it was collectively #1.

heykyleinsf

hopefully 2007 will go down as the best draft ever. that would get us back to the dance.

And whiners in general.. since shanahan came to denver, the broncos own easily one of the top five records in the NFL since. I would not be surprised if it was collectively #1.

Im too old

1983 was the best draft ever? Although Kubiac (8th round) and Mecklenburg (12th round) were staples, that’s a pretty bold statement. I think 1990 could rival that – Sharpe and who could forget Le-Lo Lang?

My vote without a doubt is ’95. It gave us the one player that won us two Superbowls.

BTW, Elway was drafted by the Colts.

Im too old

1983 was the best draft ever? Although Kubiac (8th round) and Mecklenburg (12th round) were staples, that’s a pretty bold statement. I think 1990 could rival that – Sharpe and who could forget Le-Lo Lang?

My vote without a doubt is ’95. It gave us the one player that won us two Superbowls.

BTW, Elway was drafted by the Colts.

mike in San Antonio

While we’re discussing coaching changes, am I the only one who thinks the O line performance has significantly diminished since Alex Gibbs departed? The line has been average to horrible ever since. I realize injuries have been a factor but Gibbs always found a way to make it work regardless of who was playing.

mike in San Antonio

While we’re discussing coaching changes, am I the only one who thinks the O line performance has significantly diminished since Alex Gibbs departed? The line has been average to horrible ever since. I realize injuries have been a factor but Gibbs always found a way to make it work regardless of who was playing.

Ali in Cali

wow! i think all the nagative cutler supporters should be dethroned as bronco fans! u guys are blind! same people who gave up on elway early and also on sharpe, smith, 3 amigos, orange crush d, get outta here with ur bs! ill be in Arizona next year to watch my broncos in superbowl XLII!

Ali in Cali

wow! i think all the nagative cutler supporters should be dethroned as bronco fans! u guys are blind! same people who gave up on elway early and also on sharpe, smith, 3 amigos, orange crush d, get outta here with ur bs! ill be in Arizona next year to watch my broncos in superbowl XLII!

Darrin

To # 17

This team was built to beat Indianapolis, they didn’t. The offense scored plenty of points to win but the defense could not hold them back. That is when the season went in the tank, they lost any confidence that they had, and the rest of the season saw teams come in with the knowledge of how to get in to the end zone on the defense, because Indy showed them how. It was the right decision to show Coyer the way out. It’s too bad he didn’t go to an AFC West team, we could have been assured of at least 2 wins next year.

Darrin

To # 17

This team was built to beat Indianapolis, they didn’t. The offense scored plenty of points to win but the defense could not hold them back. That is when the season went in the tank, they lost any confidence that they had, and the rest of the season saw teams come in with the knowledge of how to get in to the end zone on the defense, because Indy showed them how. It was the right decision to show Coyer the way out. It’s too bad he didn’t go to an AFC West team, we could have been assured of at least 2 wins next year.

BroncoBryce

I agree Ali. Anyone who isn’t excited about Cutler isn’t a Broncos fan. The guy had almost a 90 rating his rookie season! Only a complete moron would expect Jay to be perfect his in his first season. You’re right, the same people who said Elway would never win the “Big One.” Go be Raider fans-Bronco Nation can’t wait for next season when Jay makes you all believers.

BroncoBryce

I agree Ali. Anyone who isn’t excited about Cutler isn’t a Broncos fan. The guy had almost a 90 rating his rookie season! Only a complete moron would expect Jay to be perfect his in his first season. You’re right, the same people who said Elway would never win the “Big One.” Go be Raider fans-Bronco Nation can’t wait for next season when Jay makes you all believers.

TP

Jay is going to be a lot better fit with Denver than Jake. Jake did some great things in Denver. But in four years, Jake and the Broncos only had one great season. Also, besides last year, the Broncos were not much better than that which they were with Griese at QB. That speakes very loudly. Listen, Mike Shanahan is able to do things that most coaches are not able to do… Win with average at best QB. Jay will be a much better QB than Jake and Brain combined. All of you Culter haters must be blind, or must hate the Broncos. Jay has a lot more ability than any other Broncos QB since Elway. He has the strengh of arm, body, and mind. He also very athletic and can get from the rush just as Jake can.

In the long run, Jay will be a lot more productive and a lot more helpfull to the Broncos than Jake.

TP

Jay is going to be a lot better fit with Denver than Jake. Jake did some great things in Denver. But in four years, Jake and the Broncos only had one great season. Also, besides last year, the Broncos were not much better than that which they were with Griese at QB. That speakes very loudly. Listen, Mike Shanahan is able to do things that most coaches are not able to do… Win with average at best QB. Jay will be a much better QB than Jake and Brain combined. All of you Culter haters must be blind, or must hate the Broncos. Jay has a lot more ability than any other Broncos QB since Elway. He has the strengh of arm, body, and mind. He also very athletic and can get from the rush just as Jake can.

In the long run, Jay will be a lot more productive and a lot more helpfull to the Broncos than Jake.

B

TO #112 THERE IS NO NEED IN GETTING SO PERSONAL TOWARDS COACH COYER. COYER’S BIGGEST PROBLEM IS THAT HE IS A GOOD CHRISTIAN MAN WITH MORALS,HE WOULD NEVER HURT ANYONES FEELINGS ON PURPOSE. HE COACHES LIKE HE LIVES HIS LIFE WITH ALL OF THE LOVE FOR HIS FELLOW MAN THAT HE CAN OFFER. I FEEL THAT A BUNCH OF GROWN MEN THAT FIND IT HARD TO APPROACH COACH COYER REALLY HAVE A “MATURITY” PROBLEM. IT IS THEIR PROBLEM NOT COYER’S AS HE IS THE MOST APPROACHABLE PERSON THAT ANYONE COULD KNOW. WHAT I REALLY LIKE ABOUT ALL OF THESE COMMEMTS ARE ALL OF THE SELF-ORDAINED COACHES THERE ARE AMONG THE BUNCH,IF ALL OF YOU ARE SOOOOO KNOWLEDGEABLE CONCERNING FOOTBALL WHY AREN’T YOU COACHING NFL FOOTBALL. I CAN TELL YOU WHY YOU ARE A BUNCH OF RECLINER RIDDEN SIDELINE TALKERS YOU WILL NEVER BE A COACH IN YOUR ENTIRE LIFE-TIME SO GET IN YOUR RECLINER COVER UP WITH YOUR “BANKIE” YELL,CURSE TELL THE COACHES HOW WRONG THEY ARE AND THEN GO TO YOUR JOBS ON MONDAY SAME OLE JOB SAME OLE STORY BUT NO COACH!!!! GET OFF OF COACH COYER HE IS A GREAT COACH AND NO ONE WILL KNOW THE FACTS EXCEPT COYER AND SHANNY,TWO PEOPLE TWO STORIES I KNOW WHO I WILL BELIEVE!!!!LOVE Y’ALL

B

TO #112 THERE IS NO NEED IN GETTING SO PERSONAL TOWARDS COACH COYER. COYER’S BIGGEST PROBLEM IS THAT HE IS A GOOD CHRISTIAN MAN WITH MORALS,HE WOULD NEVER HURT ANYONES FEELINGS ON PURPOSE. HE COACHES LIKE HE LIVES HIS LIFE WITH ALL OF THE LOVE FOR HIS FELLOW MAN THAT HE CAN OFFER. I FEEL THAT A BUNCH OF GROWN MEN THAT FIND IT HARD TO APPROACH COACH COYER REALLY HAVE A “MATURITY” PROBLEM. IT IS THEIR PROBLEM NOT COYER’S AS HE IS THE MOST APPROACHABLE PERSON THAT ANYONE COULD KNOW. WHAT I REALLY LIKE ABOUT ALL OF THESE COMMEMTS ARE ALL OF THE SELF-ORDAINED COACHES THERE ARE AMONG THE BUNCH,IF ALL OF YOU ARE SOOOOO KNOWLEDGEABLE CONCERNING FOOTBALL WHY AREN’T YOU COACHING NFL FOOTBALL. I CAN TELL YOU WHY YOU ARE A BUNCH OF RECLINER RIDDEN SIDELINE TALKERS YOU WILL NEVER BE A COACH IN YOUR ENTIRE LIFE-TIME SO GET IN YOUR RECLINER COVER UP WITH YOUR “BANKIE” YELL,CURSE TELL THE COACHES HOW WRONG THEY ARE AND THEN GO TO YOUR JOBS ON MONDAY SAME OLE JOB SAME OLE STORY BUT NO COACH!!!! GET OFF OF COACH COYER HE IS A GREAT COACH AND NO ONE WILL KNOW THE FACTS EXCEPT COYER AND SHANNY,TWO PEOPLE TWO STORIES I KNOW WHO I WILL BELIEVE!!!!LOVE Y’ALL

Mike Klis has been with The Denver Post since 1998, after working 13 years with the Colorado Springs Gazette Telegraph. Major League Baseball was Klis' initial passion. He started covering the Colorado Rockies after Coors Field was approved for construction in August 1990.

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A published author and award-winning journalist, Benjamin Hochman is a sports columnist for The Denver Post. He previously worked on the staff of the New Orleans Times-Picayune, winners of two Pulitzer Prizes for their Hurricane Katrina coverage.