Stefan Molyneux and his therapist wife Christina Papadopoulos run freedomainradio (a.k.a FDR). Ms. Papadopoulos has been found guilty of professional misconduct related to FDR. Their site is supposed to be about freedom philosophy and psychology, but it is much more about a cult/scam that destroys families. If you care to communicate with me personally, my private email is molyneuxrevealed at gmail.com

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Friday, February 1, 2013

Family relationships are more than just another adult relationship

Without a doubt the most
asinine comments I get involve the observation that “Molyneux isn't against the family. He is only about voluntarily ending unhealthy
relationships.”

I have a question for those commenter's and anyone else who thinks that is “all Moly is saying”. If the only thing Moly puts forth is this
simpleton axiom, then why are you listening to him on anything related to the family?

I suspect that the answer
is because that is NOT all he believes. Like
all con men, he starts with an obvious truth and then corrupts it. He drones on and on, as if he had a clue, as
to what a healthy parent child relationship is about. In the course of his never ending pod-casts he
offers one seemingly obvious but totally incorrect message. Moly and his wife try to get you to believe
that your relationships with your parents are no different than any other “adult”
relationship in your life. He claims
that you should have the same standard with your parents as other relationships.
As reasonable as that sounds at first, if you take any time to consider
it, you have to find that it is a truly silly construct.

A healthy relationship with
your parents is nothing like other adult relationships. It shouldn't be. A healthy relationship with your parents
involves lots of things that would never exist anywhere else in your life. If you are doing well and you are happy, your
parents are happy right along with you.
No one else in your life cares about you in that way. If you are screwing up, your parents will likely
speak up. If you have a brain, you will
at least give their opinion some consideration.
If you reject their advice, they will take it in stride and wish you
well. In what other relationship in your
life, can you just show up at their home and be welcomed in no matter
what. Your parents are planning on how
they can give you their estate when they die. Is there any other ‘adult relationship’ you
have that involves estate planning? Or how about simple table manners. Your parents provided you with food,
security, shelter and love for the first 20 years or so of your life. They endured all your bad behavior and peccadilloes and still supported you and loved you. As
a matter of morality and ethics, you should return the favor and forgive them their transgressions. Anyone can come up with countless additional examples of why the healthy family relationship is, and should be, fundamentally different from 'other adult relationships.'

9 comments:

3 1/2 years ago Stefan Molyneux and FDR broke up our family and stole our son. I don't have to tell those of you that experience the same thing how my husband and I were feeling and the thoughts we had - words can't describe it.

About 3 weeks ago, we got an e-mail from our son, reaching out. He asked some questions and we wrote back anxiously awaiting a response back. 1 week later, he knocked at the front door!!!! Praise God - we have our son back. All our prayers and the prayers of others worked! It is sooo good to hear him say "I love you" again. Please, for those of you going through the same life changing experience -don't give up. We will keep praying for you too.

I'm a parent and new to all of this FDR stuff...so happy for the return of your son! So, If my son is defooing from my husband and I and his whole extended family on both sides, what's the best piece of advice? I'm thinking prayer is the best, and then wait on God?...We are all on the East coast and my son has moved to the west coast to make this process easier for him. I'm afraid if we argue with him and try and be logical with him about all the inconsistencies and cultishness of Molyneux, he'll just decide we are even more corrupt and prove he did the right thing. Ask your son what made him realize that Molyneux is just a man with some new ideas, but he is preying on young people who are disillusioned with the government and with lack of jobs and with the meaning of life, and since he had a terrible childhood, which I'm sorry for what he went through, he is pushing his bitterness and anger on all our sons and daughters!

I came across Moly a couple of weeks ago and have started studying his work. I am very critical, I realize that his ideas are radical, but I have not rejected him yet - or accepted his theory.

However, let me comment on your article above. Your sentence "If you are doing well and you are happy, your parents are happy right along with you." SHOULD be true but in many cases ISN'T! My mother, for instance, used to complain a lot about my unwillingness to mary. She was definitely not happy right along with me concerning the fact that I was 40 and single.

Today, I am 45 and maried. I also have two boys, two-and-a-half years old. Now, she's complaining about my job, it is not getting me anywhere she says...

I came across Moly a couple of weeks ago and have started studying his work. I am very critical, I realize that his ideas are radical, but I have not rejected him yet - or accepted his theory.

However, let me comment on your article above. Your sentence "If you are doing well and you are happy, your parents are happy right along with you." SHOULD be true but in many cases ISN'T! My mother, for instance, used to complain a lot about my unwillingness to mary. She was definitely not happy right along with me concerning the fact that I was 40 and single.

Today, I am 45 and maried. I also have two boys, two-and-a-half years old. Now, she's complaining about my job, it is not getting me anywhere she says...

Mr. "Burke": Your paragraph on a healthy relationship with your parents is quite good. I copied it but can hardly attribute its authorship to Edmund Burke so I will credit your website, is that okay?Molyneux has a marvelous factoid-filing, mechanical mind quite in keeping with the authoritarian Prussian Schooling system that he went through that passes for public education in the western world. Showing off ones factoid-filing capabilities gets one "A"s on the report card and the admiration of authoritarian schoolers and parents everywhere. It is not wisdom or understanding. Understanding and wisdom and compassion for one's fellow man starts with humility ("under" "standing") which is a much deeper and powerful attribute than factoid-filing. I accept his factoid expositions or expostulations but when he becomes more abstract and gets off onto what he considers psychology or religion or even philosophy, I must turn him off. He steps off the edge. I was not aware of the cult aspect. He did give a great talk on the dangers of psychiatric labeling and drugging, quite within the range of his factoid-filing strength. I recommend it. Thank you for the interesting site, but try to referee towards understanding, which precludes name-calling, labeling, pejoratives and epithets. We need specifics to create understanding and only through understanding will there be peace.

Mr. "Burke": Your paragraph on a healthy relationship with your parents is quite good. I copied it but can hardly attribute its authorship to Edmund Burke so I will credit your website, is that okay?Molyneux has a marvelous factoid-filing, mechanical mind quite in keeping with the authoritarian Prussian Schooling system that he went through that passes for public education in the western world. Showing off ones factoid-filing capabilities gets one "A"s on the report card and the admiration of authoritarian schoolers and parents everywhere. It is not wisdom or understanding. Understanding and wisdom and compassion for one's fellow man starts with humility ("under" "standing") which is a much deeper and powerful attribute than factoid-filing. I accept his factoid expositions or expostulations but when he becomes more abstract and gets off onto what he considers psychology or religion or even philosophy, I must turn him off. He steps off the edge. I was not aware of the cult aspect. He did give a great talk on the dangers of psychiatric labeling and drugging, quite within the range of his factoid-filing strength. I recommend it. Thank you for the interesting site, but try to referee towards understanding, which precludes name-calling, labeling, pejoratives and epithets. We need specifics to create understanding and only through understanding will there be peace.

I was disowned by my deeply religious family when I came out as gay, and also agnostic. When he talk about deFOOing, he seems to speak about it mostly from the perspective of the person that is making the decision to do the deFOOing, but rarely the deFOOie. I was the deFOOie; and while in some ways I am better off without them in my life, it was extremely traumatic to go though, and has left many long lasting scars and effects. For starters, I struggle with personal relationships with other people, such as trust issues, am now largely a loner/lone-wolf. I find it difficult to engage in society, form lasting friendships - not to mention romantic relationships, and find it all too easy to simply cut people off myself. Second, I have deep self-esteem issues. I struggle with loving myself, therefore I don't let others love me either. Third, for several years, I coped with self depreciating behavior such as drugs, alcohol, and self inflicted abuse. Does he not see how destructive deFooing can be? There are times it is appropriate to deFoo, especially sexual, physical, and extreme mental abuse; But often, isn't it better for families to to put differences aside, and agree to disagree, and rather focus on the things they do agree on and carry-on a relationship?

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Edmund Burke said: "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Evil takes a lot of forms. Suffice it to say: Anyone engaging with Stefan Molyneux or his wife Christina Papadopoulos should know the whole story before they get in too deep.
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