Suburban Drive

Suburban Drive is probably the most controversial piece of puzzle when seeking answers to how and why innocent toddler Caylee Anthony’s decomposed body came to rest in a vacant lot in Orlando, Florida.

While most of Florida and the rest of the world has settled comfortably with the concept that her party loving mother Casey Anthony became bored with being a good mother therefore decided to rid herself of all responsibilities by applying Henkel duct tape to her child’s mouth, placing her in the trunk of her car and driving around with her daughter’s body for 2.6 days and on a whim of a genius idea decided to dispose of her lifeless body in her favorite childhood hangout 14 houses from her home.

In my opinion based on my life experiences I find this concept ludicrous and this theory to be unbelievable.

The belief of this theory is based on the premise Casey is a seasoned liar who steals from her family and has quite a few boyfriends. Adding the nationally televised Nancy Grace smearing expose’ of this case like an info-commercial, I surely understand why a hundred thousand people or more would believe such a ridiculous tale. Although the circumstances which I won’t deny are damning, I still feel this case would have worked out differently had it not been for the attraction of the media.

Lots of so-called information is fabricated to raise the ratings as it’s been a media competition to tout the most sensational story. We’ve heard about Sex, Lies and Video Tape; Pictures, Lies, and speculation; Lies, libel, thievery and debauchery.

Just as Judge Belvin Perry Jr. recently asserted, this case has dwarfed the OJ Simpson trial when speaking about the overwhelming media this case has garnered.

Judge Belvin Perry has allowed any and all evidence the State Attorney’s Office has asked to present. Their case largely based on circumstances will be allowed for the jurors to hear. What we the jury won’t know and what they should know will not be revealed at trial. The truth and the jury will be strangers.

Since defending Casey Anthony with all motions denied will be an exorbitant task, I have to wonder what’s left. What is left that the Judge has no power to disallow? What one piece of fact that can not be disputed. The answer to that would be Suburban Drive, the final resting place of the tiny victim.

In most murder cases crucial evidence is recovered from the burial site. Usually there are fingerprints, hairs, fibers, DNA or some kind of physical evidence that links the victim to the assailant. In this case it was not.

What was found which should be forensically valuable was an unknown hair, an empty Gatorade bottle with a syringe said to have a small amount of chloroform (less than what’s found in tap water), a Disney World bag with an unknown hair near a sheet of heart stickers, a stained Winnie the Pooh blanket, a pink size 3T t-shirt, duct tape stuck in the hair of the skull, a pair of pink striped shorts size 2T and pieces of a child’s pull up diaper.

I’m shocked to find that none of these items were worthy of a smear of DNA except for the duct tape found hanging off of the victim’s hair. This DNA doesn’t match Casey or anyone in her family and there wasn’t a fingerprint to be found.

True, these items were exposed to the weather and elements for 5 months or less but in many cases DNA and fingerprints have survived several years in various climates so I’m not sure if that is the answer to my question. Why isn’t there one cell of physical evidence at the crime scene/burial ground on Suburban Drive that matches the accused Casey Anthony? Also why wasn’t her remains found sooner in the “hot spot” that Texas Equuasearch’s Tim Miller claimed. Before making a tropical storm the blame for not finding Caylee’s remains much sooner, there are several factors that we should know.

It’s important to know Tropical Storm Fay did not reach Central Fl until Aug. 20th/2008.

It’s important to know Florida was in a long drought before Tropical storm Fay.

It’s important to know the area where the remains were found received 6-11 inches of rain.

It’s important to know in a nearby area where there were 22 inches of rain that all flooding had receded by September.

It’s important to know Suburban Drive could not possibly hold the amount of water as reported. The amount of rain there was 6 inches at best. Perhaps east toward the school would hold 6-11 inches but not in Area A where the remains were found.

It’s important to know it was dry on August 11th, the first time Roy Kronk is said to have seen something white in the “water” that looked like a skull.

It’s important to know the distance from the tree line to Area A is 6 feet which means if Officer Richard Cain just peered in and there was a visible skull as Roy Kronk claimed he would have seen it.

It’s important to know that Cain walked in, poked around a bag of leaves and nothing was there. There is no way Cain could have not seen what Kronk saw.

It’s important to know this is not a jungle or Amazon. You don’t need a whacker to get through.

It’s important to know that in Dominick Casey’s video there was a television and a blanket that was photographed that is approximately 15 feet from Area A. Dominick Casey was surely at some point in Area A or beyond it.

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On December 11th/2008, in one of the early reports after Roy Kronk came forward and officially found Caylee. Then Sheriff Kevin Beary had a press conference. In this press conference you’ll hear him say the remains were 60 feet into the woods. This is not true.

Search teams will focus on four places in east Orange County: Jay Blanchard Park, Moss Park,” the woods near the home of Casey’s parents” George and Cindy, and an area of land near the Orlando International Airport. They’re searching those spots based on eyewitness reports and cell tower triangulations that show where Casey Anthony was around the time Caylee disappeared.

“The weather’s right, the water’s down, the vegetation’s down. We have the right equipment. With a little bit of luck, we’ll be able to find Caylee and bring closure to this community,” said EquuSearch founder Tim Miller.

“We have done all that we can do. We have thoroughly searched “every inch” of the targeted areas.

Dominic Casey was there 6 days after Tim Miller. It was completely dry.

November 2008 Roy Kronk was back there, however the 11th was a holiday. So when was he there?

Nov 14/2008..Dominic Casey was there

Nov 14/2008..Leonard Padilla had divers in the Econ River

Nov 20/2008..Mark Nejame resigns

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Equusearch founder Tim Miller, who heads up a group that searches for bodies, said his volunteers had searched the area before but that it was full of water and an ATV had stirred up mud and muck and made visibility poor.

Tim Miller says he is not sure where Suburban Dr. is?? Ironically Tim Miller just happened to be in Orlando on the day Caylee’s remains are found.

For reference purposes Snoop a tenacious, informative blogger here at theJBMission who also lives in the Orlando area shot quite a few photos and video recordings. When comparing both videos I noticed in a freeze frame the television and also a blanket which can be seen in Dominick Casey’s video that he shot in mid-November/2008. Both are seen in freeze frame at 6:23, 6:24, 7:19 and 7:37. At 8:43 you will see a fallen tree in Dominick Casey’s video. This is the same tree I saw in Snoop’s photographs so this verifies the same area he searched.

Please take note just how close the remains were from the tree line. Not nearly as far into the woods or street as Sheriff Kevin Beary first reported. This is one of many discrepancies in reports regarding Suburban Drive.http://s1125.photobucket.com/home/shar246/index

*Note: PI Dominic Casey’s video was taped by another PI, Jim Hoover

It’s an unknown fact that there were hundreds of people who searched on their own, not belonging to any official search team who had combed this area as you will notice in Gale St. John’s Blind Drive.

They’re making comments about all of the searches. Hear them say “this area has been searched” Hear them mention, “all the people out here”. Hear them say “this area was covered by 2 cadaver dogs!”

Some of the people Gale St John was referring to were K-9 officers from other counties.

Here’s an interesting headline:“Psychic Comes To Orlando To Look For Caylee”

While I’m focusing on the only undisputable fact of this case, Suburban Drive, I’m reminded of another article I wrote November 15, 2010 titled “Close But No Caylee”. In this article I attempted to list the many known players who actually searched this corner of Suburban and Hopespring Drive who had no luck.

There were cadaver dogs, trained LE with K-9s, there were 32 Texas Equaasearch volunteers, and of course there was Roy Kronk who claims he found Caylee’s remains on August 11th/2008 which was disproved by Sgt Richard Cain.

Knowing this information, I think there’s a good possibility that Casey Anthony was not the one who placed little Caylee’s body in this area now called “Area A”.

Dominic Casey, the private investigator hired by Cindy and George Anthony along with his camera man fellow PI, Jim Hoover video.

Here’s a few others who searched very close to Area A. There’s Keith Williams, Laura Buchanan, Joe Jordan, Deputy Jason Forgey and 32 Texas Equusearch Volunteers

Thanks guys,
Snoop gave me a lot information. I stumbled upon the Judge Napolitano video by accident. I immediately was drawn to his assertion, “who put the bag there” that was his first thought early on. I wonder what he thinks now? lol
If the etomologist expert for the State isn’t exact or within 3 weeks then the State is going to have a hard time proving Caylee was there since before July 15th.

That was a video I hadn’t seen before, JB. Like you, I wonder what VP thinks now. I am so looking forward to hearing the defense side of this. I hope we don’t have a year long delay. Do you think the timing of this whole media thing was done on purpose? Do you think it has anything to do with lack of funds in Orange County? That just crossed my mind. Honestly, shouldn’t this whole media thing have happened a long time ago…..at least from the time it was announced that the jury would be selected from outside of Orange County?

Also….did you get to see Mason’s interview on InSession? I’m hoping to find a link so that I can watch it.

No, Omar, I didn’t know CM was on! bummer..
If you find it, please post it.
As to this lack of money thing?? Hmm..you’re making a good point. I don’t think this trial will start anywhere near May 9th.
I’m serious when I say, I’d like to see the defendant go home while she waits for the media to calm down. That would be perfect karma! Oh how they’d hate it and why? Because the media pigs weren’t satisfied.
😀

Great story JB and yes thanks to Snoop for pics and video’s. Now that CM has spewed out the Accident theory, I am not sure what to think. He may have done it just to confuse the state. Otherwise, it still fits with this thread.

Did Kc put Caylee in those woods? Jb at one time said to KB, your in la la land, Kc was never in those woods. Well if Kc didn’t put Caylee in the woods, then who did? I am very suspicious of that drive home from the tow yard. Perhaps the garbage bag was on top, but something else in the wheel well. Got nervous and just dumped the body there on the way home

These are the links for parts 1 and 2 of the Cheney Mason interview on InSession. I have to find the other links….but if you watch these first two, then the others should come up while you’re on YouTube. I’m going to watch them now.

JB..Yes I gave you the information, but you wrote it perfectly! GREAT JOB!!!
Omar..I have downloaded almost all now to photo bucket..I will brief and give a link
in a bit. But I am going to link you know that any can watch.

Please watch PART3..Part 3 is VERY important! That evidence JP ruled on is not ruled in
conclusively..only allowing the theory of the State if they can predicate it. Present evidence
of a qualified expert, within the theory.. There will be Many objections!
This is the link to the first 4 parts..downloading 5 now.http://s1125.photobucket.com/albums/l582/shar246/Cheney%20Mason%20InSession/

JB…amazing article!!
Snoop….you are such an intrepid investigator! Thank you for all the work you put in. Wow.
I had never seen the video of AN…very telling. Now, if he could clearly see there was a problem with the whereabouts of the remains and the fact that Casey probably didn’t put them there…why can’t everyone see this and question it? Did you notice when AN voiced this, the interviewer (media talking head) immediately jumped in with “So are saying there may have been accomplices?”…WHAT? Biased idiot. Now, why couldn’t he have said, “So, do you think Casey might be innocent and some unknown predator is still out there?”…That would have been a more impartial question. IMO.

Kathy……JB does an awesome job in all her articles..and dedicates
so much of her time for us to be able to blog here. The least I could
do is pass on what I come across. This has been my home for longer
than I want to thinkabout LOL.. I don’t know where the time has went..

Thanks JB for all you do!!!!!!!!! And all you have to put up with!

Ok, too late to give descriptions of each part..but this is CM’s
interview part 1-8. I will say it is all very good!
He addresses the
motions in Part 3 That evidence JP ruled on is not ruled in
conclusively..only allowing the theory of the State if they can predicate it. Present evidence
of a qualified expert, within the theory.. There will be Many objections!

JB..Just realized the link to the main photo bucket is the INDEX one.
This is the correct one if you could delete that one and add this one.
This is the home page..with the links on the right..It is MUCH better..
and less confusing.
TIAhttp://s1125.photobucket.com/albums/l582/shar246/

Ahh.I should have clarified..the link in the article to the photo bucket.
The problem is i keep adding new albums..So if you are not using
the HOME page link..It messes up the order.

So the only link that is needed is the HOME page. THEN the
other links will be to the right.http://s1125.photobucket.com/albums/l582/shar246/
It would be great if we could also put this link in a sidebar or something
LOL
It would be easier ..because I even get confused..I obviously gave
you the index link LOL
Again TIA

Sure Snoop, I’ll be happy to add it to links. What do you want to call the link?
And don’t worry.. 😀 Links can get confusing.
If there’s any thing in the article that you want me to change it would be great if you c&Ped the paragraph where the correction is needed then I could go right to it.
Don’t worry we’ll get there, I edit my articles all the time.

I just watched parts 1-5 of the Cheney Mason interview with InSession.
I truly respect him for joining Baez because of the way he was being treated by the press. I couldn’t believe it either. When I first heard about this case I was asking questions about Casey and questioning her actions but never did I think to question Baez’s. In most cases I’ve followed I can hardly remember the attorney’s name. I couldn’t tell you who defended Wayne Gacy. As a believer in the 6th amendment, I accept any attorney who’s simply doing their job. Wow..how can people be so ignorant?
I also learned from Mr. Mason there’s a few naysaying legal analysts who begged to be on this case and were turned down. I Just thought their biased commentary was because they’re being paid by their obviously slanted employers.
I’m watching InSession..interesting stuff about the trial
BBL

Very good article JB. Very relevant The plot of woods on Suburban drive will likely take center stage at trial. Thank you again, Snoop for your contribution. I am more convinced than ever, that Caylee wasn’t there during June-mid November. No, I don’t believe George found her in the spare tire area and put her there July 15, no way.

Thank you for the insesssion links, Omar. Mason said there have been numbers of times the media has had the documents before he has seen them. That is just wrong. He said reporters should report facts, not specuation or opinion interspersed in a report. I understand Perry’s denials a little differently know. Mason is saying the additional clause that the state has to prove a foundation or supply a sufficient expert leaves the door open to be able tot object or not get those things in. It will come down to, though, whether Perry judges it to be sufficient and that is where the opinion comes in that can be biased one way or the other. Perhaps he doesn’t think the K-9 meets the test but if so, I’d think he would have said so and ruled it inadmissable. But, we’ll see.

I was struck by Mason’s statement that a fair trial is not on one side or the other, it’s in the middle. But yet we have an adversarial system, which I’ve heard Perry say, more than once. It should not be adversarial, ever. But it surely is in this case.

If you look at the constellation of Libra (the sign of justice and the courts) you will see that the star I took my name from is called the Northern Claw and it’s mate, ZubenElGenubi, is the Southern most or right hand scale pan. Did you know, that for the scales to measure precisely the fulcrum or pivot point must be friction free? Without that, when one side is presented, placed on the scale pan, then the other, as the balance swings back and forth seeking true justice, it can get caught up on what ever it is that is causing the friction. In this case, it may be the 31 days, the lie about dropping her off at Sawgrass, the night she went to Fusion or the tattoo on her shoulder, where she says the beautiful part of her life is behind her. To get stuck, or caught up in any of these issues of contention/friction, is to deny true balance and justice. One thing I’d really like to find out more facts about is the ancient zodiac, which only had 10 signs. Libra was originally part of Scorpio, which is obvious by the common names of these scale pans. It is the only non animal sign too, which falls on the ecliptic. But yet we act like animals, even when carrying out ‘justice’. But we are able to see when we are ready to accept a reality so I have to assume when that picture in the sky became visible to man we were ready to learn how to evolve toward and implement true justice.

I see that Perry is expected to lay down some rules today for the protestors he expects to be at the courthouse. I wish he would rule on the last of the motions so the defense can move forward, if this appeal doesn’t delay the trial. It seems that would be more pressing that dealing with protestors that aren’t even there yet.

And one more off topic thing….just so I’m not trying to paint some diplomatic, saintly picture of myself……I didn’t cheer for Bin Laden’s death, but I did cheer for the military men and women, just like JB said. They give up so much every single day so that we have the right to think, feel, criticize, protest, assemble, laugh and sleep safely….and they have been in a war since 2011. They are the heros, and I bleed American blood. I love the stars and stripes, and I LOVE our men and women in the military. Sadly, these things do happen. I’m not going to pretend that the loss of a life EVER brings me joy, because it doesn’t. That’s just me. But I’m not going to pretend, either, that for the $25,000,000 reward that was on Bin Laden’s head, I wouldn’t have hunted him down myself if given the opportunity….and I can’t promise you I’d have been nice or diplomatic if I found him. Just sayin’…….

Regarding the Cheney Mason interview…..I just had an epiphany of sorts. It takes a brilliant lawyer to take the state’s own most incriminating piece of “evidence” and use it against them to make them look like idiots. I think this defense team has been sorely underestimated. There is so much I have loved about watching both the Baez and the Mason interviews, but the one thing that stands out to me now is just how clever Mason really is. He has made it clear that he enjoys exposing hipocrites and liars, and that aspect of the trial will be fun for him. He says there are things that are being held “close to the vest”, which we’ve all expected all along. But the thing that really struck me was how he said that the 31 days don’t matter because (my paraphrase) if the child died when the state is saying she did, and that is in June…..then the 31 days don’t matter one hill of beans. Whether Casey pole danced, tattooed her toes and backside, took out a subscription of Netflix and watched a three stooges marathon for 30 days straight, all while bumping nasties with Tony, it doesn’t matter…..because the crime of Murder One ended when Caylee’s life ended. That sounds cold, even typing it out…..but, his job is to defend his client, not to wax all sentimental. Bottom line is, the state is trying to make a big issue out of 31 days…..and yet, they are trying to use botanists and entimologists, and death gas sniffers to prove that Caylee was dead in June. They can’t have it both ways. The 31 days are a moot point. I’m not saying very clearly what I know inside me…..but by golly, CM is a freakin’ genius!!!

Now, some folks will say, “yeah, but, that points to Casey’s callousness. It proves she didn’t love Caylee. Blah. Blah. Blah.” What it does is point to an obstruction…..perhaps a complicity of some level….but it does not point to the fact that Casey murdered her daughter. It is not evidence of a murder. Therefore, it is irrelevant in a murder one, death penalty trial. If I die today….how my kids act tomorrow doesn’t mean they killed me….it doesn’t make them guilty. If I jet off to Tahiti this evening and I die while I’m there, alone in my hotel room and my kids only know that I’ve gone to Tahiti….what difference does it make if they go to a party tomorrow night. Until the cabana boy finds my body…..no one will know, so their behavior is a moot point. Can the 31 days be used to show lack of remorse? Yeah….if the state can prove Casey killed Caylee…..but I’m feeling pretty good about the fact that that is not going to happen. The act of killing the child ended at some point. The act itself, most likely, was quick. What came after the commission of the crime is not evidence of the crime…..UNLESS the crime is a bank robbery and the suspect is spending stolen cash during that time.

I hope there is not a delay because I’m anxious to see Baez and Mason in action.

This whole comment was as clear as mud….so I apologize. Fortunately, the voices in my head understand what I’m trying to say. LOL.

Omar, thanks for sharing your reasoning and thoughts. I hadn’t thought of it that way or really understaood the depth of what he is saying. Yes, Genius. I didn’t realize I put this on the old thread so will repost here.

Snoop, Appreciate the time you took to get these pictures and video. They bring up questions. I look forward to having access to the 237 photos that were given to the defense because they might clear up some of the confusion or speculation about exactly how the remains were found. I know we have had descriptions but the original pictures would help about the plant life and the duct tape. I hope in the future organizations like TES let searchers take stills and video. It would have made things much easier.

I do have one question for you having been to that site. If someone were to go there, walk in 10 feet and throw a bag another few feet then left immediately would they have a ton of bug bites? My sister lives an hour from there but I never asked about the bugs. Do people as a general rule in that part of the country use bug repellent when they go to parks, etc.?
TIA

Oh, and take special notice of the closing date on this order, July 15, the anniversary of the 911 call. Have you noticed how they keep repeating dates? I was dumbfounded that they made sure they were in Texas, so there would be news headlines on 12/11.

Omar…you are a genius! The way you line things up logically amazes me. I want to know what you’re thinking CM meant, ‘deep inside’ of you (lol) . I’m sure it is very illuminating! Can’t you share your thoughts? The ‘accident’ comment took me by surprise, as I said before, and my heart sank. I don’t even believe there was an accident. I think someone else had Caylee all along. I think that is why Casey never broke down when they were searching the lake and found the bag of chicken bones that the media was saying were Caylee’s remains. She KNEW they weren’t Caylee. She fell apart when the remains were found on Suburban, maybe, because she had been told that is where she’d find her if they killed her? IDK…no one knows yet, all we can do is speculate.JMO Cheney Mason is AMAZING and so honorable….I love that he is working with Jose.

Hi Kathy…..Thanks for the kind words, but I’m definitely not genius!! LOL. I often feel quite dwarfed in intelligence by other commentors here!
Are you talking about the “deep inside of you” comment that CM made right before he said the 31 days were irrelevant? If that is what you mean, then I took that to mean that the chick doing the interview would have enough legal knowledge to figure out what he was insinuating regarding the 31 days without him having to spell it out for her.
I am a bit stumped by the “accident” comment too. But in the last part of the interview…CM goes on to say that he believes 100% in Casey’s innocence. When you couple that with his comments about exposing liars and hipocrites, what I take from all of that is that someone has lied all the way through this (besides Casey) and that maybe someone else did have Caylee and she died accidentally in their care and Casey went with the kidnapping story to try to protect them. Now…when you put that with the fact that Casey has sat in jail for nearly 3 years and has stated that she is safer in jail…..then that theory doesn’t make sense. So I a bit stumped by it. I don’t think that the defense is going to go with an accident defense on behalf of Casey….and I say that because of the 31 days part of the interview, the exposing liars and hipocrites part of the interview, and the Casey is innocent part….all combined. What it sounds like to me is that someone did have Caylee and something happened to her while in their care. Maybe Casey was threatened, or told that someone took Caylee from the intended caregiver…..maybe Casey let someone who was involved in an unsavory business watch Caylee and something happened and this person told Casey that if she told anyone, then she or her family would die next. Maybe Casey had no idea anything had happened to Caylee until the body was found. There are so many possibilities….but that one comment from Mason about the accident is really gonna have my brain spinning for a while. I think most people took that statement to mean that Casey accidentally killed Caylee…..but I kinda think Mason KNEW exactly what he was saying and he did it to play mind games with the bloodthirsty masses. He seems pretty adept at playing with words. I like tha about him.
What are your ideas, Kathy? Anyone?

D SAYS::I do have one question for you having been to that site. If someone were to go there, walk in 10 feet and throw a bag another few feet then left immediately would they have a ton of bug bites? My sister lives an hour from there but I never asked about the bugs. Do people as a general rule in that part of the country use bug repellent when they go to parks, etc.?
TIA
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To answer your question..yes..they would have bites
When I was there in Dec..and my camera wouldn’t work..I never went past the
road.
When I went the first time in April I had on capris, tank top, and flip flops.
I got bit up pretty bad.

The second time I wore jeans, sneakers, shirt, a hoodie and large sunglasses..
in 90% weather…LOL..Now, each time there have been many people up and down that street.
Walking, riding bikes, walking dogs, kids playing, adults..plenty activity.

So I am quite sure from the looks I got..While snapping pictures, and video,
that they thought I was someone trying to be icognito..Disguising myself
with the hoodie and glasses LMAO.

But even with all those clothes on..the second time, the mosquitoes were
unbelievable..They swarmed me in masses..I was shooting video..waving
my arms..and literally running out of the woods..They bit through my clothes
on my face..It was ridiculous!

As soon as I stepped off that road into the tree line they were literally
all over me. I started with a long sleeve shirt..but had a hoodie in my
car..and needed it.

Mosquitoes here are like everywhere I guess..depends time of year.
Repellent is suggestive..but it is so hot here that it really never works
well for me. Bugs love me. I will tell you this..No mosquitoe repellant
would work there..I can not emphasize how many there were! It was
just like a big bzzzzzzz in there. Now on the road to my car not
so..but as soon as you cross into that tree line….BZZZZZZZZZZ.

Omar….I meant ‘deep inside of you’, since you said you weren’t going to say what you say what you knew inside you.lol
Do you think the ‘accident’ comment was merely a matter of vernacular? Maybe he refers to ANY unfortunate death as ‘an accident’…? Just trying to wrap my brain around why he would use that term. You seem to have a better understanding of what’s going on in his head than most.
‘Hypocrites and liars’…could be LE…or could be Casey’s friends…or family….boggles the mind. Intrigues the h**l out of me though.
I really believe the ’31 days’ are NOT significant AT ALL. I think LE and the media knew that would really enrage the public, so they kept repeating it. I think that Casey left Caylee with someone she thought she could trust….and they then refused to return her for some reason. Did Tony Lazzaro ever mention a time frame during which he said Casey had the bad dream and woke up crying and sweating? That would be interesting to know.
Here’s my reasoning why I don’t think Caylee had an accident and died while in Casey’s care…We know Casey isn’t a saint. She has a few poor character traits…(if what we’ve learned is true)….stealing, lying and IMO, slightly self absorbed or ‘bratty’. I think Casey was quite self centered (as dozens of girls her age are)…just from what I’ve gleaned over the years. This is why I believe if Caylee had an accident and died, while Casey was with her….I really think Casey would have called 911, sounded alarms, blown whistles etc. She would have been the center of attention and sympathy. She would have had EVERYONE including her parents immediately at her feet. She would not have missed that opportunity. I know this isn’t a flattering reference to Casey, and forgive me if I’ve disappointed anyone. This has been one of the little tweeks in Casey’s personality that led me to believe she was innocent in the first place. She is just too self involved NOT to have welcomed the attention. I’m not saying that she would have been happy if Caylee died, or that she’d gladly trade attention for Caylee’s life (or, for that matter, that she in any way welcomes the attention she’s been getting lately). PLEASE do not get me wrong.
Her self-love for herself is another reason she couldn’t have killed Caylee. Caylee was an extension of herself and she loved her. Everyone that knew them said what a devoted mother she was….she was attentive to her daughter and she took great care of her. She would want to retain that image everyone had of her.If something drastic had happened to Caylee, she would want everyone to see her as the grieving mother that she was. This is why I don’t believe a drowning, a fall, choking, or accidental overdose just do not fit.

Cheney Mason, on 12/12/08 Mason said “You can pretty well predict there’s going to be a life sentence, either a plea and get it over with or have a circus trial and then be convicted and get life,” his words the day after remains were found and before he joined the DT. Mason joins the DT and is asked By Kathi Belich if he recalled being a commentator on the case and concluding that Casey would be convicted. Mason “… I Don’t recall making any such statement..”

No interview with any media source will make the statements above go away. I question motivation after what was said and what exactly does he recall. I’m sure at the time he had no idea he would get involved with this case but gladly went before the camera to give his opinion when asked.

Hi Kathy,
I don’t think it was an accident either. Just guessing..Maybe Casey left her too long with someone she shouldn’t have trusted but I agree with your reasoning. I think most young mothers would have called 911 too. I don’t like to speculate too much about Casey’s psyche because I really don’t know what she’s about and I don’t know what was going on in the home. It’s hard to speculate but I agree, young girls are generally self-absorbed so generally speaking, you could be right and that would rule out an accident.

I have pondered this accident theory in my head and found that it clears up a lot of things.
1. It clears up the dead body in the trunk. If she admits thats how she transported her.
2. It clears up the lies. She was afraid to tell the truth, especially to her parents.
3. It clears up why she wouldn’t go back home. Afraid of her parents.
4. It clears up the disposing of the body.
What it does not clear up is the duct tape.. The 31 days really do not count, they were after the fact. The DT has all along disputed the placement of the duct tape. Someone may have used it to tie a bag shut, not sure.

In the past while discussing the accident theory, i have also noticed that people want to assume it is an accident at the hands of Kc, but I always brought up the scenario that it could have been an accident at the hands of another. I am willing to discuss it more and try to figure out why the defense bothered to do certain things in the past. For instance, fighting the trunk evidence so strongly.
1. Jb marched right in there with Dr Lee to inspect that car in Nov of 08. He knew that Dr Lee could have found damaging evidence if it existed, but he marched right in there anyway with confidence. Dr Lee found several more hairs and none of them had a death band. I think Jb knows that Caylee was never in that trunk, because Kc told him she was never in that trunk.
2. They have fought long and hard against any trunk evidence in this case. I think they are confident that Caylee was never in that trunk.
3. They have fought long and hard to establish that the body had been moved. Note they always said RK should be looked at as a suspect, but they made it clear that they were not accussing RK of murdering Caylee. I can still hear Kc say several times “I do not know where Caylee is”

I am interested in discussing the thought of Caylee dying of an accident at the hands of another, but where do we start?

Wow Snoop, what a visual!
I wish I would have had a video camera on you running out of the woods..lol wearing a hoddy in 90 degree weather.
Seriously speaking..someone earlier had wondered the same thing. Did any of KC’s friends notice insect bites on her arms and legs? If not, did they see anyone else, itching and scratching?
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Well, thinking like Mason, I went back to listen to KC’s first “released” phone call home. I’m saying released because I’m thinking there’s an earlier one. Anyway..
It seemed like the sole purpose of calling home is to get Tony’s number. Her friend Christine gets on the phone and starts badgering KC for information. It seemed like KC was frantic to talk to Tony.
I think if I were Christina, I would immediately asked Lee for the number like KC requested and not keep her on the phone trying to get information.
With CM’s voice in my head, thinking Caylee is alive that’s what it sounds like to me.
She’s curt with Christina because she’s trying to remember a phone number and she doesn’t have a pen…usually in jail there’s prisoners standing in line trying to make phone calls and there are time limits. While I’m thinking in a different mindset, I wanted to jerk the phone out of Christina’s hand! Finally she did get Lee to give her Tony’s number.

Now I’m wondering, where is the audio of KC’s call to Tony? Another thing I picked up on…KC said she already talked to Lee? I don’t remember seeing links for phone calls to Tony or Lee. Does anyone know if they were released? Just wondering..

Damagd,
I think Mason may have made that statement early on before he saw how the press and blogs were maligning Baez, his fellow defense attorney. He admitted this was his purpose of joining the team. And it was probably the reason for Lyon and Baden too.
As for KB..pfft!
Why would he tell her anything?? I’m sure she was part of the reason why he joined in the first place. Besides, I don’t think anyone really cares what KB has to say anyway. She’s so slanted and biased in her reporting, it’s hard to take her seriously anyway, imo.

D Says::Thanks snoop, I think I have a good idea. I kind of thought with the heat and humidity in Florida, mosquitoes would be a year long thing.
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Mosquitoes are year round D..But there are times and places that are worse than others..
as everywhere else is what I was referring to. As well as during the winter months..cooler
weather..especially last winter..you don’t have many mosquitoes as the rest of the year.
So it is in that aspect like other places.
And the perspiration ..due to the heat and the humidity..releases certain chemicals that
also attract them to a person here. If you are in my back yard after dusk..there may
be some mosquitoes..But certainly, not like the woods!

Kathy….I agree. I think that if there had been an accident, Casey would have called 911. Like you, I think that she would have taken the attention that an accident would have brought her.

And Damagd….I think people say a lot of things before they know a situation intimately. CM admits he joined the team not because of Casey, but out of pity for Jose Baez. Later, he goes on to say that he is very fond of Casey, and he speaks of her as someone that he really, genuinely likes. He goes on to say near the end of the interview that he is 100% convinced that Casey Anthony is innocent. So what if he said there’d be a circus of a trial, or a plea deal when the body was found. At that point, he was privy to the exact same information that the general public was privy to. Once he learned the facts of the case, he changed his tune. He’s not the first and he won’t be the last.

I have a feeling a lot of people will be having an A-Ha moment soon.

Kathy…..LOL…..I’m sorry I misunderstood the “deep inside me” comment. Now I really am LOL-ing. Sometimes life gets to be like calculus. You can understand it, but there’s no way you can explain it to someone else logically. That’s kinda how my mind works. And plus, I try to take shortcuts when typing, and half the time, what I’m trying to say sounds like it was typed by a trained chimpanzee. I’m such a dunce cap sometimes.

Oooohhhhh JB….I thought that same thing about that first released phone call!!!!! I’m glad you brought that up. It’s not like she was calling for a leisurly chat with the fam and friends. She was on a time limit. And did Christina really think her histronics would cause Casey to divulge something from the jailhouse phone?? Christina’s over dramatization seemed put on to me….and yes, that’s my opinion only. But seriously….what made Christina think Casey was gonna talk to her if she hadn’t bothered to call her up during those “31 days” and confide in her?? I agree with you….there was a reason other than pillow talk why Casey wanted Tony’s phone number.

And another thing……folks have taken issue with the fact that Casey didn’t have “Zani’s” phone number memorized, or at least saved in her phone. I think there definitely is a “lost” phone out there with other phone numbers in it. Maybe not “ZFG” per say….but relevant numbers that could have helped confirm at least a part of what Casey said. Here in this first released phone call, we see that Casey doesn’t have her boyfriend’s phone number memorized either. Seems that few people take time to memorize phone numbers these days. It’s not that unusual.

D Says::I question motivation after what was said and what exactly does he recall.
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Really? You really question his motivation? Did you watch the InSession 8 parts?
D, my opinion all that crap..was REALLY
OVERATED!..First of all, you know he detests KB..Who Wouldn’t? And the way
it was put and what he said..was::
Kathi Belich: “Didn’t you say she would be found guilty?”
Cheney Mason said: “I don’t rcall making any such statement”

In the interview..they were basically asked in the mock questioning..if
all were as it seemed..now that they had the body..He gave an opinion

But also, things didn’t go as seemed..there was no determined cause of
death..even so, it was ruled Homicide by undetermined means.
The evidence they had..Cheney already talked about in the mock trial
just before Caylee’s body was found.
So the case was NOT as seemed.
You follow me?
Everyone forgets about the 1st mock trial interview..So here is a link
where Cheney talks about the evidence ..Which sounds to me..he even
knew back then..how flimsy the evidence was..long before joining Baez!

D…Hi!…Cheney Mason may have made those comments , but, he made them PRIOR to joining the DT and learning the TRUTH about the case! Once he had joined the team and spoke to Casey personally, he changed his mind. So what? That gives me even more reason to believe she is totally INNOCENT!
I’m pretty sure he is not a hypocrite. He merely gave an offhanded statement to a media vulture who was after blood. I’m sure he just felt that this particular media person was just not worth his time going into detail with. “I don’t recall” statements are made all the time by people in the spotlight. It usually just means…”I just don’t want to give you the time it would take to educate you on this”.

PLEASE NOTE:: This was “BEFORE” CM was on the Defense Team.
Pretty much the SAME now..except there is a body..and He is
on the defense team. No wonder Baez was talking to Cheney
before he joined the team.

JB..One thing that has ALWAYS bothered me..Is the emphasis is on she wanted
to talk to Tony..Which she was trying desperately to get his number ..granted.
BUT..What bothers me MOST..is at the end..she says she really wants to talk to
MIKE!! Who the he** is MIKE??

The Mike I have researched..is the Mike 16 acres..Where they had parties..and
bands. I have some links and pictures and what not.

She does not have ANY text msgs to a MIKE..No phone number for a MIKE..
No interaction with ANY Mike at all.
The only Mike ever mentioned was the Mike she went to school with..
The one whom per her jail house visit with Patrick Bourgeois..gives her
a message from MIKE.

You’ all watch the video I linked..After they found the body..they were asked
IF ALL GOES THE WAY IT SEEMS IT IS GOING??????
Everyone had made such a fuss about that..It is really out of context of
anything. Sh*t that video I just linked pretty much proves it…

The next mock jury..he also says:: prior to what he “THINKS” “MAY happen”
as a sentence of life..

“The most important thing is how did she die?” Mason said. “It could have been an accidental death — and we’ve talked before — an improper disposal, it could have been a brutal homicide. We don’t know, and until the medical examiner is finished and renders a report, no one is going to know.”

SO IMO as I said in my above post with the video link…..ALL that was totally
OVER RATED!……….Please, CM has been a VERY reputable attorney for 41 yrs.
He dont have no crap hiding in his closets either as some judges and other
attorneys..etc..

I am really over hearing about it..Dam* it was 3 yrs ago……..and eons of
other evidence of CM being dedicated to CM. PRO BONO

Omar…I have always believed there was another phone that was supplied to her by someone else. That is the phone that had the numbers of certain people in her ‘other life’…including the number for ‘Zany’. This phone was either retrieved by the supplier (maybe from TL’s apt the night CA took Casey out of there?), or lost, but, I really think the first thought is more feasible. She left that apt abruptly, leaving many things behind…Someone acted swiftly, deleted some things on the laptop and took the phone. JMO
Snoop…This ‘Mike’ you are speaking about, I wouldn’t be surprised if his number was on this phone too.
Omar….I always thought all of Christina’s drama was suspect too. It sounded so over the top. She was looking for sympathy…’If anything happened to that little girl, I’ll just die, I really will’ , etc.
JB…I felt the same way about Christina, when Casey was trying to get the info she needed from her…in my head I was just wishing I could slap her! lol

Snoop…I’m feeling your frustration. Me too. I hate when people come here and recite the same nonsense they’ve heard from Nancy Grace (even using the same verbiage) ad nauseum, with nothing to substantiate their point for the millionth time. They want to make us explain it all over to them once again. Huge pet peeve. You just become worn out from the ignorance. I feel your pain. lol

Ok one more..LOL
Kathy Says::Cheney Mason may have made those comments , but, he made them PRIOR to joining the DT and learning the TRUTH about the case! Once he had joined the team and spoke to Casey personally, he changed his mind. So what? That gives me even more reason to believe she is totally INNOCENT!
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Exactly!

I’m wondering about Mike myself. There is no ‘Mike’ connected to Casey or mentioned on any of the witness lists? You’d think that LE must have picked up on that name also and maybe conducted an interview with him. They interviewed everyone else under the sun. You’d think.
Goodnight everyone.

Omar there is a Mike 16 acres..that was speculated about
in the beginning..That is the only one that I researched, other
than her high school friend.

But…Maybe that is WHY she needed to talk to Tony so bad..
to get Mike’s #? Maybe it was a friend of his..or maybe the
druggie neighbor. Or possibly, one of the MANY people
per Tony’s LE interview..that frequented his house on a
daily basis..friends of his roomates?

This is something I had ..I don’t know where I snipped it from..
It was back in 09.
SNIP::
I have searched all of my high school and middle school year books that Casey and I were in and we graduated the same year. There is no Patrick Bourgeois or Mike Walker. Not even a few years ahead of us or behind us. They never went to Colonial.

Not nearly enough time for me to read all and respond the way I want to but…

Snoop, this visit has always puzzled me too. On the surface it appears like just an old acquaintance wanting to reach out to show support but, besides the M Walker mention that may be the same Mike she wanted to talk to there are a couple of other things. He checked in to the visiation center with another person, Frank B and the log says the visit started at 9am, lasing 45 minutes. This visit is less than 1 1/2 minutes and there is no sign of another person, not mentioned, not seen leaving when Patrick leaves. So, what’s the deal?

There is a Mike listed on TL’s sim card, #99, shown on page 2633 and a Frankel on page 2640. Someone now banned at WS says this:

I want to point out that Patrick left a comment of Mike’s page last month before he visited Casey.

Here is his comment –

Jul 16, 2008 2:39 AM
Things could not be better; I love the college I am going to even if it is not LSU (people seem nice, the women are BEAUTIFUL and easy to talk to). I joined the honors program at the orientation and I am joining Campus Outreach (a Christian club). I do not remember when things were better in my life.

and the day prior –

Jul 15, 2008 4:06 PM
What up bro, just seeing how life is treating you my brother. You know if you never need anything, do not hesitate to call me.

Somewhere else someone says they searched classmates.com and found Patrick was going by the name Daniel, then, so perhaps this is why Casey didn’t recognize the name. There is no Patrick in OC clerk search but there is a Daniel B, just a speeding ticket. There is also a Frank, simple infractions. Mike W is another story but there are a lot, with different middle names so can’t know who is him. The most numerous infraction with this name is driving with license suspended though. There are some battery charges, burglary, etc too.

The only way Mike W is relevant is if he is the same Mike she wanted to talk to through Tony and he sent Patrick B to give her this message to calm her down or keep her from trying to call again. I highly doubt, if she called TL, that he answered but he might get a message to her like this, if it is the same Mike. It is feasible, since he is into producing music and would want to be promoted and get gigs.

NTS………I agree the accident theory clears up a lot, and I think the duct tape flows along with that theory perfectly, if that is where they are going. IF it was an accident, due to Casey or someone else, then of course “whoever” would need a cover story. Enter Zanny the Nanny, complete with duct tape, trash bags, and a laundry bag.

I believe that the best case scenario for Casey is to go with an accident, as I think it would garner sympathy and she might get out with time served and three years probation, or something like that. My only problem would be, “HEY GUYS, is that what really happened?” I have been waiting too long for the real answers I guess.

It sounds to me like it may be an accident at the hands of another. LKB said on 48 hours that someone else killed Cayllee? not for sure those are her exact words. Maybe someone could help me out.

If the baby drowns in the pool while you are in the house, does that mean you killed the baby? or the baby died of an accident and there was no killer? Killing to me means that someone actually did something directly to cause someone else to die. Like ran over a person in the cross walk, even though it was an accident, you still killed the person.

Snoop, I posted what I could find on Mike W but it’s hung up in moderation. Probably too many links. Keep an eye out for it to show.

Thorizine, when Patrick B visited Casey in jail he told her Mike said to keep her head up. When she called home she said she wanted TL’s number so she could talk to Mike.

JB, Yes, we’ve chatted about my astro musings through email. I asked back on May 1st or so if it would be appropriate for me to share some of my thoughts here, but you must have missed it. I didn’t want to just insert something like that without your permission, but I did save it, in case you answered.. Here is what I was thinking about posting a few days ago about the energy at the start of the Frye hearing. Interesting the appeal I saw may be the one now in the high court awaiting decision.

My professional opinion, although I’m sure it wouldn’t hold up to the Frye standards at this point in history, is based on astrology. The time of the commencement of the Frye hearing shows what is already ordained or set in motion and what the likely outcome of the matters at hand, will be. I thought at least one aspect would be granted to the defense because there was a clear block of energy to the prosecution, shown in the sign of science, Aquarius. The cyclic phase is the time for critical decisions to throw out everything that lacks value or validity, not to set new precedent. It is the time for the prosecution to clean house, get rid of the weeds, rest, not to try to pass off untested and unproven methods as science.

The angles don’t match, defense and prosecution fixed, judge and outcome movable. The outcome position is also the significator of the gravesite so it is as if the message is saying the grave is moveable too, while the defendant was in a fixed position, unable to move. Justice is intercepted, sad to say, showing that there is clearly a matter than needs to be addressed to balance the scales. This concerns me a lot because it shows either rights are being denied and/or a law has been broken. It isn’t the defendant’s charge that is showing up here either, because that has already been addressed. This is the Frye hearing motions. The judge is part of that interception and is retrograde, meaning he appears to go back in space, in reverse, rather than forward motion. Will his decisions be reversed? Astrologically, it usually indicates something will have to be redone or an error is being discovered. There is a critical opposition to him coming from the high court, an appeal is on the horizon. He will be reversed, just as the Rx implies. Since Aries in the jail house is part of the interception, I think her Miranda rights will be confirmed and Perry overruled. The good thing about interceptions, is that the energy draws in everything necessary to assure the scales will be balanced at some point. Either rights or the law has been misused or neglected up to this point. It could be involved in her imprisonment or an employee of one side or the other. It could easily involve a public servant, like LE. Since the defense is stronger than the state, I’d have to say the error is on the side of the state.

What really concerns me is the mutual reception I see between the judge and the prosecutor. A mutual reception is showing favor, I’ll scratch your back, you scratch mine or, in the alternative, a prejudice in favor of each other. It appears the judge is working for the state but through this reception he sits on the bench and has the possibility of avoiding the real problem shown, through this reception.

The final action shown is a problem with illusion, which I’m sure isn’t suprising. The other possibility might be the tape, which is a sticky substance and/or gasses, which we are still waiting for. So you see, pretty much everything in question is covered here. A huge red flag being waved by a CEO type, one in a position of power, in the mental house of the judge, seems to have and obsession with power and control and/or a morbid, compulsive, fascination with death, which may be based on a strong held religious foundation. An eye for an eye comes to mind here. I’m seeing a foreign substance (peregrine) in the quality, involved in a novel approach to science, (Aquarius) which could involve quantity (Venus).

The final aspect shown is a symbol of a brotherhood of unanimous consciousness and a metamorphosis. (Neptune) I suspect he will deny even this last motion which will really surprise me. But he has already laid down the foundation for appeal. Perhaps he will deny with another caveat or disclaimer. He has found an ingenius way to give the state what they want while protecting himself somewhat. What I’m not sure of though, is if his Rx means he would be reversed or he will reverse his position during trial to avoid reversal later.

This is interesting from Hornsby. Law dictates that the Anthonys have a right to be in the courtroom during trial and the only one that has a leg to stand on, in objecting, is Casey. But he wouldn’t be surprised, if the state did object, the way Perry is leaning on the side of the prosecution, if he did find a way to rule in favor of the prosecution. Now, is that a hint that Hornsby sees him as biased too? At least a little? http://blog.richardhornsby.com/2011/05/should-they-stay-or-should-they-go/

Thorazine..The Mike I am referring to..When Casey called home from jail
trying to get Tony’s # she says really she wants to talk to MIKE..
There has been speculation who MIKE is..but no one knows.

Kathy..thanks..but i am aware of Mike Walker that PB mentions to
KC in the jail house visit. But we do not know who the Mike is that
she wanted to talk to in the jail house call home. It would only
be speculation.
Zuben..Thanks..I have some of those links but going to look at TL’s
Sim..I didnt realize there was a MIke!I have another thought as well..I’ll be back

I dont know why Cindy keeps trying to see her daughter without cameras, she knows the drill there in Florida…..Just another attempt to try and manipulate her daughter like shes been doing for yrs….Her letters , the same thing, manipulation…..JMOO…

I read on one article on WESH that Bill Scheaffer thinks that the defense motion to keep GA and CA sequestered confirms his assertion that the defense is going to try to pin the murder on GA or CA. The article went on to say that even GA/CA’s attorney is starting to think that.

The motion from the A’s says QUOTE ” This relief is sought to prevent any future
release of communication between the Defendant Casey Anthony and George Anthony
under the guise of a public records request as releasing the information would not
further the purpose of the public records act And in support there of George Anthony
and Cindy Anthony state as follows:

Omar ..read what I just commented above this! Communication of GEORGE and CASEY!
It wont let me post the pdf links so you have to go to the sites I listed and look
your self. It is http://www.cfnew13.com for the A’s motionhttp://www.wesh.com for the Defense motion

hi Omar,
I’m beginning to wonder myself hmm..remember CM said he’s going to reveal a few lies and some pretty shocking stuff?
Actually when I think about how KC did a lot of hanging out at Jose’s office instead of home, it makes me wonder if there was another reason besides just trying to avoid protesters. Maybe it was the A’s who were going into CYA mode and not Casey.
Listen to that first phone call home from Casey. She’s not happy about Cindy hitting the media circuit..there’s something not right about that phone call for me, anyways.

What’s great about speculating now..we’re going to find out real soon..trials just around the corner. lol I’m excited!

LOL..I know Snoop, how ironic! I’m glad you could explain why your comments didn’t go thru…thanks for enlighting me.
I had such a hectic day. I’m glad to be home to get a good cup of coffee. I’m highly addicted to coffee and I get headaches when I don’t get my daily fix. 😀

As for the A’s..I say to H-E-double L with them. Now’s not the time for them to showboat. If they can’t be at trial..oh well. If my daughter’s life was on the line, I wouldn’t think about rocking the boat now. Are they afraid of something?? or what?

Question:Did Defense Start Media Frenzy?
Dear Judge Eaton: Don’t you think it has been the defense that started this media frenzy, especially them going on “Good Morning America,” “The Early Show” and others from the very beginning? And now, hearing them whine about it and causing (the court) to have to go outside Orlando to find a jury, that has put things where they are now (and may cause) a possible delay. — Sherry
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Answer:

There has been enough whining to go around. Actually, my take on how the case got out of control is when the Orange County Sheriff’s Office arrested Casey before the body was found. They held her on a charge they could not prove, and a judge set bond at $500,000. This for a relatively minor felony charge that usually would be a low bond or a release without monetary conditions. The next thing that happened was the entry of the California bondsman with the cowboy hat. It went South from there. — Judge O.H. Eaton

Hahahahahaha!!! I saw that earlier, JB, and I laughed out loud. I was like, “Oh, snap! Now shut your pie hole.”

I do NOT know how anyone who has followed this case since it broke could even house one cell in their brain that thinks that the defense started this media frenzy. Let’s just blame global warming, terrorism, and emphyzema on the defense team, too, while we’re at it.

Zuban…you are an amazing astrologist! All of the prejudiced aspects of the case show up clear as day, don’t they? Do you do individual charts?
Snoop….I didn’t realize that you knew about MW…I just heard it this morning on InSession, and I though I’d pass it along. As far as the ‘other’ Mike is concerned …we don’t have a last name yet so I can look him up? Thanks for posting the links to the motions!
I was out all day…I’m really behind.
Omar..That ocurred to me, too. What would be the reason to keep George out of the courtroom other than the plan may be to reveal something horrid about him? UGH
Gascan…Do you think that Cindy is still trying to get information from Casey or trying to stifle her a bit? I thought it was just because she missed her and wanted to have contact with her. But, I’m a sucker for happy endings (lol).
JB….”some lies and some pretty shocking stuff”….I wonder if the liars are LE and the ‘shocking stuff’ is George.
What is ‘CYA mode’?

JB, i’m addicted to the java also….Not only do I get headaches, but blurred vision too! UGH, is that what withdrawls are all about?….I’ll need my fix when I come home to watch the trial , i’ll be using my DVR throughout

Kathy,
I felt for the Anthony’s when this all hit however it changed after I went over George’s FBI interviews and found many inconsistent statements. That is when I knew he is involved in some way. What way, I dunno but he’s guilty as sin about something. I think his past has a lot to do with why Casey chose to lie about what happened…..I think George is involved in illegal activities….and that’s all I’ll say right now. And that’s just my hunch and opinion as usual!

GasCan…I see…your comment makes a lot of sense. I have to go back and read Cindy’s letters again. You do think George has things to be guilty for in his past? I just have trouble believing he did anything malicious to Caylee. It seemed to me that GA and CA were pretty upset about Caylee being missing. I just keep thinking her group of new friends had something to do with the disappearance. Just my opinion as usual.

Also,
The video from Father’s Day Tony said KC was watching that online which leads me to believe that Cindy downloaded that video to Casey. Why would she do that if she knew KC was coming home that evening? Just curious. Did KC leave Caylee there and move out? Was the fight about the money prior to Father’s Day and that is why Casey did not spend father’s day at home, did she actually move out prior? Maybe June 9th or around there? Curious.

Wish it was not dark..I am taking care of my clients pet and home while they
are away..These homes were built in the middle of wild life territory. So since
they took away their habitat..the wild lives in the neighborhoods. I am out on
the Lanai (which is about 1200sq ft..with a beautiful pool LOL) and there is a
bear on the outside of it!..It is huge!..I use to be startled but now I am use to
it. Just spooky after dark. LOL I DO NOT walk the dog after dark. She is a large
Golden Doodle..that would not go over well with the bears!

There are also a lot of deer. She broke my finger one time while trying to
chase a heard..and I had leash in hand. I suspect when I wake it the morning
with my coffee..(And YES I am totally addicted to JB) I will have deer in the back.

Quite a treat here. 5,000 sq ft home..Me and the pooch LOL..Like vacation.
This is my home away from home..And yes, this is the dog named Cali.

June 9th Caylee and Casey stayed with Ricardo, Caylee ended up missing that evening, or shall I say Casey said Cindy demanded she take her home Cindy denies that because she was staying with her mother due to her father’s stroke which leads me to believe that perhaps George came and got Caylee or demanded Caylee to come home and Casey was too embarrassed to say so? Why didnt Casey stay at her own home while Cindy was staying with her mother?…..All I am saying is George’s past or present dealings could have something to do with it. Also, Casey’s new friends and the hang out at fusion one only knows

Kathy,
Common sense says if my granddaughter is out of my sight for one day, especially if she lives with me i’d make sure I find out where she is, especially after seeing my daughter without her (june 24th) and knowing she stole gascans to fill her car which would lead me to believe my granddaughter may be in harms way. So, it’s common sense , that something like that would raise a red flag and anything else is just pure bullshit.

I think the A’s are in the dark. They have no idea what is about to hit them. Well at least one of them doesn’t. Devastation awaits. I think that CM interview cleared up the ol man jokes. That man is sharp and spot on. I can’t wait to see him in action. JA is going to get fumbled up in his objections. The defense has done a good job of keeping everyone confused. CM hit the circuit and dropped the accident bomb, but the local yocal news stations do not want to do a story on it. He spoke of local lawyers who commentated for the news stations and said they are jealous because they were not allowed on the DT.

JB and yes there is much much more to the story. Ca had kicked him out before. I wonder when he came back. How long was he gone? Are we really sure that he was part of Caylee’s upbringing? I know how some husbands can be when they lose all that attention from their wife. There is just no time to pamper. Some men handle it well and jump right in to help, some are just lost.

Cool, Snoop. That most likely means I will be able to view it later, because I have to be gone today to do some errands! It’s my son’s 13th birthday today (he’s been saying he’s 13 for 2 months now…but he’s really officially a teenager today!) . Anyway….I’m curious to hear what goes on. It looks to me like there might, possibly be a delay in all this. I noticed, too, that the defense filed a motion asking for an time extension to file a response to the media’s appeal regarding telling them the venue for jury selection. The request was denied….but it sure seems like, for whatever reason, the defense is trying to buy a little time. I think the reason may be that they are definitely dissatisfied with the venue that the judge has chosen for jury selection. What do you think?

Omar….Happy Birthday to your new teenager!! Enjoy him while he is still sweet…because ’16’ is right around the corner. Haha!

Snoop…Enjoy your ‘no work today’ freedom.

I’ll be back later…I have to be out for the day.
I still don’t understand why the defense does not want Casey to see GA and CA in a private meeting. I do understand why the DT would prefer GA not to be present at the trial, but why not let them have access to Casey before the trial? Are the afraid GA and CA will interfere with the defense? That they’ll scare Casey? Anyone? Ideas?

Omar..thats cool your son is going to be a teenager!
I know hes excited today..13 for 2 months LOL
I use to do that when I was a kid too. Now
I do it as an adult..just to PREPARE myself..LOL
JUst kidding..age is only a number.!

Tell your son Happy Birthday from JB mission!
Have a great day!!!!

Don’t know about defense..maybe that was the
plan..I am sure the defense did not expect it to
be upheld..LOL

Yes, I think the reason the A’s want to visit is because they want strategy information. Their Lawyers are the same way. They want a heads up for what they are about to endure. Everyone wants the defense strategy. Everyone is out of their comfort zone right now. The DT has done a great job so far in keeping everyone in the dark, they are probably not willing to take any chances at this point. Anything Kc or CA says will end up in the media one way or another. I can see how it could hurt, I can’t see how it could help. IMO

Isn’t this odd?
Cindy mySpace July 3, 2008
Subject: My Caylee is missing
Current mood: Distraught
“She came into my life unexspectedly, just as she has left me. This precious little angel from above gave me strength and unconditional love. Now she is gone and I don’t know why. All I am guilty of is loving her and providing her a safe home. Jealousy has taken her away. Jealousy from the one person that should be thankfull for all of the love and support given to her. A mother’s love is deep, however there are limits when one is betrayed by the one she loved and trusted the most. A daughter comes to her mother for support when she is pregnant, the mother says without hesitation it will be ok. And it was. But then the lies and betrayal began. First it seemed harmless, ah, love is blind. A mother will look for the good in her child and give them a chance to change. This mother gave chance after chance for her daughter to change, but instead more lies more betrayal. What does the mother get for giving her daughter all of these chances? A broken heart. The daughter who stole money, lots of money, leaves without warning and does not let her mother now speak to the baby that her mother raised, fed,=2 0clothed, sheltered, paid her medical bills, etc. Instead tells her friends that her mother is controlling her life and she needs her space. No money, no future. Where did she go? Who is now watching out for the little angel?”

Someone asked this question:
According to reports, on July 4, Casey Anthony is said to have spent the entire day partying with friends, but where was Caylee?

Kathy, The A’s want to see KC with out being
taped. They want it to be private..and they want to have those visits before
trial, during, and after if incarcerated at that point.

The A’s filed a motion to have the private visits.They did NOT know if KC
even would see them. The defense said they would discuss with KC for
her desire. The A’s have not heard back..so whether Private or not CA is trying
to see Casey on Sat at 9am

The Defense team filed a motion
that they(A’s) need to be sequestered during the trial as they are witnesses. The A’s
want to attend the entire trial.

The defense objected to a motion from the parents — George and Cindy Anthony — who had asked Orange County Superior Court Chief Judge Belvin Perry Jr. that they be exempted from the rule of sequestration for relatives of the victim.
The parents have the right to attend all crucial stages of the proceedings, but “this right must yield to the defendant’s right to a fair trial,” the defense motion said, citing a ruling in another case.
Courts typically prefer that witnesses not be allowed to attend out of fear that others’ testimony could affect that of the witnesses.
“George and Cindy Anthony will likely be subject to impeachment by the testimony of other witnesses,” said the motion, which was signed by defense attorney J. Cheney Mason.

Hi Snoop,
I know witnesses are asked not to read anything or watch the trial on TV but I’m sure they’ll be a few rogue witnesses that’ll ignore this so why can’t the A’s simply watch the trial from home? I don’t understand their logic for bringing this matter up at this time, do you?

Snoop, no I’ve seen it before, I’m not sure where this leads..lol
It’s just so much interest on the “31 Days” and ironically KC titles her poem “Diary of Days”.
This just came to mind, is there a connection here?
Also
July 3rd, Cindy is blowing up KC’s phone. KC’s seems to ignore her..goes out and gets a tattoo “Bella Vita”. Then she writes this poem on July 7th saying “trust no one, only yourself” “everyone lies. everyone dies” Was KC refusing to go along with a plan? Was she suppose to come back to the A’s on July 3rd and report Caylee missing.
Cindy was wrong on the date of June 9th. How could she forget she brought Caylee to the nursing home Father’s Day”? Strange.

His last twitter was April 13 2010
He mentions throughout his inability to sleep. Other
than that….

On Jan 24 2010 Tony Lazzaro says Happy Birthday Casey..
and the link following is a band..as many of his Twitter is
Music.
But this band link and song is BODY BAGS
SNIP:
Tone_L Tony Lazzaro
Happy Birthday Casey @ambassadorsnyc
24 Jan 10

Here something from the Questionable diary found at the Anthony home.
EVERYDAY IS A BRAND NEW BEGINNING
CARPE DIEM –seize the day–
I have no regrets, just a bit worried. I just want for everything to work out okay.
I completely trust my own judgement & know that I made the right decision. I just hope that the end justifies the means.I just want to know what the future will hold for me. I guess I will soon see — This is the happiest that I have been in a very long time.I hope that my happiness will continue to grow — I’ve made new friends that I really like. I’ve surrounded myself with good people — I am finally happy. Let’s just hope that it doesn’t change.
=====
Is she breaking away from the Anthony’s control and not going along with their plan? How do we know Cindy just happened to find Amy’s phone number in the car on July 15th??

Yes JB as I LOL… please read my comment May 6, 2011 at 1:06 pm
I flipped out at 3 am this morning when I seen TL twittered Happy
Birthday Casey and a link to the song BODY BAGS! LOL
Then I find this Mike ..TL’s friend..and both move to CA

Been gone two days and catching up. What tangled webs we weave……According to the A’s attorney Baez schedule won’t allow a moment to return his calls……Family man C Mason files a motion to eighty-six the parents…….one attorney from each side was told where the jury will be picked and not supposed to say but the maybe defense knows and files another motion…..it just gets better and better…..Gabriel up and quits after he got his money from CBS leaving the defense in a bad way or was this planned……. Naturally all in the 11th hour.
If I ever felt bad for G&C it’s right now because of what has transpired. I don’t believe there is anyway Casey will see them and Perry probably wouldn’t let them attend trial anyway. Mason’s motion claims that the A’s might be called multiple times through out the trial so it’s quite possible the A’s might have to report to court most days and sit in another room with other witnesses until called. This has been done before in other trials. Them sitting at home and watching on TV sounds like a long shot, for most of the trial.

Ok…I just caught a snippet…I’m running in and out. Does JP just like to rule against the DT at any opportunity??? I thought that the public’s perception of the Anthony’s and the defendant’s right to have their whole testimony be heard and believed without suspicion that it had been tainted by the testimony of other witnesses was a good argument that did, in fact, prove prejudice to the defendant. Oh well……another day, another denial.

Omar..lol
No doubt, JP just loves knocking down KC’s defense.. All I can say..it will come back to bite him in the butt…just more ammunition for appeal.
Yes..this case is getting more fun by the day. I think this an eye opener for me. I never realized just how unfair this judge really is. His lack of objectivity is astounding to me. I think Judge Perry has already tried and convicted Casey Anthony.

I understood Gabriel to say he would need 40 or more days for the jury selection maybe he knew he was not going to get this so he quit. As far as G&C being in the court room I think that it is ok esp.if they are up where the jury cannot see them. I am sure they know more than we know about the evidence and hope they act in a respectful manner to the court. My question now is will KC see her mom at 9am or will she refuse the visit?

JB, Very surprised at the out come today. I really thought Perry would rule for the defense…it sounded reasonable. As far as Mr. Gabriel and bailing, it’s my own what If or thought. It was my understanding that one person from each side was to be told of the location and not tell anyone else. It’s my thoughts that the rest of the defense knew and that’s why they filed a motion but before that, it’s a possibility that they told Gabriel where it’s going to be. Lastly, Gabriel must have had a big reason because of his notoriety as one of the best jury consultants in the country, it didn’t make sense for him to back out at the last minute unless the defense did this on purpose to file an extension. If I remember properly, the state is not using a jury consultant and with Mason’s 40 years experience I wonder why they wanted one.

We vacate the portion of the order that implements the Confidentiality
Agreement, but deny the request to order the trial court to immediately disclose
the location of jury selection proceedings.
PETITION GRANTED in part and DENIED in part.
GRIFFIN, PALMER and EVANDER, JJ. concur.

Here’s a youtube link for a press conference with Lipman, George and Cindy’s attorney, discussing today’s happenings and the possibility of a visit between Cindy and Casey tomorrow. What I found hysterical about this video is the way that all the “attentive” reporters are flocked around Lipman UNTIL Jose and Cheney walk out, and then the reporters walk away from Lipman mid sentence and chase after Jose and CM.

I heard JP say 8:30 Monday but before I heard 9am. Now, he has written several orders which include the time and location of trial but each time he adds into the order that this information will be given at a later date. So, Which is it, 8:30 or 9 as the official start?

OMAR..After watching that video I had a HUGE rush
of just HOW FREAKIN CRAZY..Orlando is going to be!
The magnitude of this case here..I have NEVER seen
anything REMOTELY close!

I do think I will try to attend when and if possible.
I normally work every day..but am self employed so
could adjust. You can not camp out on property LOL
But can line up at 5:30 am each day..and passes are
handed out at 8am to the first 50.

What would be ideal would be to get a room nearby
in advance..but..being that I may want to go at a\particular
juncture of the trial..I would have no idea what date to pick.
So I would have to come up with a better plan LOL

I understood Gabriel to say he would need 40 or more days for the jury selection maybe he knew he was not going to get this so he quit. As far as G&C being in the court room I think that it is ok esp.if they are up where the jury cannot see them. I am sure they know more than we know about the evidence and hope they act in a respectful manner to the court. My question now is will KC see her mom at 9am or will she refuse the visit?

Hi diane,
I’m with you. More importantly IMO, is that Casey can’t see them. In my gut, I feel the A’s know exactly what happened. I was convinced by Cindy’s MySpace entry that she titled, “My Caylee is Missing” I’ve never accepted any excuse for her choice of words. The words tell me she knew Caylee was missing on July 3rd. However, her words are not that of a person calling out the kidnapper..she’s calling out Casey. Casey replies in her “Diary of Days” poem, quote: trust no one, only yourself, with great power, comes great consequence” Who has the power? Cindy and George. They’re calling her home to take the rap.

JB I disagree that G&C called KC home to take the rap.In Cindys 3rd 911 call IMO she felt true anguish. I think Cindy has covered for KC for a long time but also has been a control freak and did not let KC forget how much she disappointed her.In the trial more about the family will be brought out by family members and we will have a clearer picture of why KC acted the way she did. It is truly sad that a child had to die and a young adult is on trial for her life because of a family that needed help and IMO because of pride they refused to get it. Cindy may have been able to prevent a lot of this had she stayed in counseling and been able to see things clearer. All of this is JMO.

I found this interesting from the article you linked about polling potential jurors throughout Florida, Snoop:

(snipped): An ideal juror for the defense should also mildly oppose the death penalty, but not so much to be disqualified. He could have a post-graduate degree (as WFTV’s poll showed those with advanced degrees weren’t as sold on the state’s case). The defense should not want jurors with prior jury experience.

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This snip confirms what I’ve felt for a while. Those people with training in how to use their critical thinking skills aren’t as sold on the case’s state. They can see holes in it. Interesting. Very, very interesting.

@NTS….I know. I was cracking up. And Lipman was in the middle of answering a question when they all just left to run after the DT. How ridiculous! But it did make me laugh.

@Snoop….wow on the JP Chatt Santos thing. Ok…I’m a bit lost, though. Why on earth would he have a lockbox and what does that have to do with Amscot? Did he work there? And I know this is a really dumb question, but what is a PdWeb?

diane, I’ve thought about that too. Cindy is on a rampage to do what? Get KC home. She’s driving KC around, calling 911 twice before, brings her to a jail somewhere, threatens to have her arrested for stealing money and abusing credit cards, using HER car, etc. Sounds good but do we really know what the conversation in the car was about? We’ve only heard Cindy’s version.
(Maybe KC was trying to get herself arrested when she was using AH’s checks. She didn’t want to go home)
How do we know, Cindy isn’t saying “look KC you’ve got to come home now!, it’s all set up..George fixed it, remember you were suppose to say the nanny took her!” I called you on July 3rd, you were suppose to come back then, so this will work, but you didn’t” If you refer back to KC’s poem “Diary of Days” ..What’s with the word “days”. Everything is about days. 31 days was the magic number but Cindy messed up. She said the magic day was June 9th but how can Cindy not remember Father’s Day? That bothers me. If it’s June 9th, then the 31 days would mean KC was to come back home on the 4th of July weekend and that’s why Cindy is frantically calling her July 3rd make sure KC shows up but I think KC changed her mind. She gets a tattoo “Bella Vita”. She’s taking control of her own life. There’s got to be a reason why KC stays at Baez’s office while she’s out on bail rather than stay with the A’s.
Just me, totally speculating…but I think the A’s know much more than what they are claiming. JMHO

nts,
I’ve always had suspicion when it comes to Cindy. I don’t care how nice and upright Cindy seems to be. When I read shortly after the A’s returned home from California, that PI Jim Hoover witnessed Cindy taking a bat to a crucifix put on her lawn for Caylee, I thought OMG..this woman is deranged. She wants her way, no matter what.
Another thing that doesn’t sit right with me is Casey’s statement to LE. To me, it’s rehearsed. She takes them to Universal studios, when asked how is this bullshit helping to find your daughter she says “it is, in a backwards sort of way”.
Is she telling them all this crap is a pack of lies?? If you watch the video that Omar posted earlier..George is still mentioning Casey was working. LOL.. Yes, Casey may be the liar but she’s not alone. JMHO

This motion they filed to MAKE SURE that they were in the courtroom, when their presence could possibly hurt their daughter’s chance for a fair trial, tells me they don’t give a rat’s patootie about KC. Even cold blooded killers have better parents. Their parents get on the stand and lie for them. KC’s own mother threw her under the bus but then to keep KC quiet, she makes it look like she’s wants to help her. Nothing that the A’s have done has helped her.
And what about George’s suicide attempt?? lol..Isn’t that insane?

Omar your 11:44 post..This snip confirms what I’ve felt for a while. Those people with training in how to use their critical thinking skills aren’t as sold on the case’s state. They can see holes in it. Interesting. Very, very interesting.
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Exactly!! It kinda pertains what we have been saying all along in general right?
At least you should be able to look at it with some intellectual capabilities?

Ohhh…..Got it!! That makes sense. Wonder why he refuses to show up for court? And thank you, Snoop, for translating that for me! LOL.

JB….I’m convinced that GA and CA know more than they’re saying. I am having a hard time believing they had a hand in Caylee’s death firsthand, though. My reasonings for this are the same as for Casey….why not just call 911 and say it was an accident? Why not just NOT mention it to anyone and instead tell people that Caylee is living with her bio dad’s family for a while? Why call 911 and say the car smells like there’s been a dead body in it? Did CA really NOT think that would start a ball rolling that couldn’t be stopped? ESPECIALLY given the MySpace message and other things that she knew were out there. WHY would you leave something like that on the internet if you were somehow directly involved? And why, then, tell the lies that they have told to try to protect Casey after she is charged with murder?

Like I said….I think that they know more than they’ve admitted to. And I think that in a round about way, Cindy’s 911 call and all the media attention could be responsible for Caylee’s death. Maybe George or Cindy had someone take Caylee to “teach Casey a lesson”? What if this person had something on GA or CA and decided, hey…..while I’ve got the kid, I might as well use it to my advantage. What if this person tried to get money from GA or CA and told them that they couldn’t have Caylee back until they paid up? What if they had some dirt on illegal activity of some kind….like GA’s gambling or porn or something? What if they said…pay up or we sing like canaries. Pay up or we tell Casey that you arranged a fake “kidnapping” to teach her a lesson. What if this whole thing is just an accident that snowballed out of control, except that the accident is that they picked the wrong person to take Caylee to teach this lesson to Casey?? What if Casey figured out what they were doing and threatened to turn them in? So they tried to call the whole thing off, but whoever had Caylee wouldn’t bring her back? What if when the heat was on, whoever had Caylee was fearful that they would be caught so they killed her and framed Casey for it?? These are all just “what if’s”. I haven’t really taken time to think through a realistic scenario….but you know, if someone were trying to teach Casey a lesson and something went horribly wrong, the person who had Caylee wouldn’t want to be charged with child neglect, kidnapping, child endangerment, manslaughter or murder….so framing Casey was better than exposing the truth. Maybe this is the “accident” that snowballed IF GA did tell River Cruz that there was an accident that snowballed.

Here’s the thing….if George or Cindy thought, yeah…we’ll teach her a lesson, we’ll have someone take Caylee…..and if Casey ever found that out, Casey could have had that person arrested for kidnapping. Regardless of whether Casey and Caylee lived with GA and CA, Casey was still the custodial parent, and taking Caylee without Casey’s consent is kidnapping. So what if something did accidentally happen to Caylee while this person had her? This person could have easily told GA and CA, “yeah, I took her back to her mother.” Seeing as to how Casey had gone to TL’s and had not returned home, GA and CA would have been on pins and needles hoping that Casey didn’t cause trouble for them. In the mean time, Casey figured out what was going on and just figured that Caylee was safe with whomever GA and CA left her with. Then suddenly, you have the calls from Cindy and Casey blows her off figuring, “you stupid woman….you know exactly where Caylee is, but I’ll play dumb so you can enjoy your game because I’m making big plans to leave once I have things arranged.” At some point, Cindy figures out that Casey really doesn’t have Caylee back. The person that they had take Caylee is long gone. Cindy freaks out and thus the 911 calls. Maybe it was around the 3rd or 4th of July when Cindy assumed that this “kidnapper” returned Caylee to Casey, so Cindy starts pursuing Casey via phone calls to see how much Casey knows. Maybe Cindy was ignorant to the whole thing, and maybe George is the one who set it up to teach Casey the lesson. Maybe that’s why he felt so bad he wanted to commit suicide with beer and pizza.

Omar,
You’re right..every What If could have happened. If we’re all to believe KC killed Caylee on a whim to go out to a club, then why the hell can’t it be any of the scenarios you mentioned?
I wonder if when LE did computer forensics did they find out what GA was up to and they are ignoring it because they were building a case against Casey but that doesn’t mean the DT didn’t take a look.
In my mind, this case in many ways is a true “who dunit”. I’ve been thinking outside of the box all day since I’m feeling fairly certain, CM is going after the A’s. CM knows something. He’s probably investigated C & G to the fullest, checking their work schedules, where and what they were doing during these 31 days. I thought about River Cruz too. Geez..??
I hope we get some answers too.. At this point, only the truth can only help them because the lies sure haven’t. JMO

OMAR::Omar
May 7, 2011 at 12:37 am
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I have to say.. I agree with your comment. My head has been spinning
for the last 24 hrs with so many thoughts of what if’s.

When Diane, I think it was, said Cindy should have continued
counseling..

That counselor who told her to kick Casey out of
the house..or take custody of Caylee..that she needed to do something.

That brings to mind GA saying that body in the car was not my grandaughter.

That brings to mind the unsolved murder of Nicole Ganguzza while jogging
in Blanchard Park the 6/10/08 A college student at UCF..
SNIP::
Ganguzza was working toward a master’s degree in marriage and family therapy at the University of Central Florida. She was a counselor.
“When it came to my marriage, my children… she kept me going,” said former client Jessica Gallo. “My prayers are with her family. I know she wasn’t a member of my family but I feel like she was.”

But the problem is..I have MANY thoughts of possible theories..involving
different people..Are they all feasible..Yes..But what are the odds?

But, I can’t wrap my head around it a planned Casey take the rap.

Whether we ever know the truth..we shall see. But surely whether or
not the defense has to put on a defense or not..the opening argument
should reveal something at least.

JB..LOL just seen your comment as well. I guess we must be on
the same wave length for the last 24 hrs. We both were commenting
this morning first thing..Me with TL’s twitter and you with Cindy’s
mys pace post. Well, if we keep this up who knows..we might just
get close.

Again, Logic says if I was missing my granddaughter for a day i’d go after my daughter and find out where she is, this of course in the beginning. George saw his daughter WITHOUT CAYLEE after knowing she ran out of gas,logic once again says, I’d be worried my granddaughter was stranded along side of the road somewhere and press my daughter about where she is, as I knew that she wasnt working, George admitted to that per FBI statements. Logic says they knew, George knew and I have a feeling George was once again stuck babysitting after KC took off after the fight without Caylee. Also, grandma had Caylee also, KC was at Tony’s sooooooooo. Logic says once again, the defense should bring up the fact that grandma had Caylee and was Caylee alive upon returning from the nursing home? Was Caylee alive upon returning from Tony’s? Either way, grandma and grandpa were the ones who were responsible for Caylee. I think “KC was forced and or threatened to go along with a coverup which was already taking place before she arrived back hom either on june 15th or after she left the house and Caylee was with GA……..MOO

Logic says, If my granddaughter was missing and found out she was dead, i’d be damn sure to force my daughter to tell the truth not coddle her and kiss her arse and aide her to keep lying and then throw the d0-gooders out of my house when all they wanted to do was find my granddaughter. Again, George saw her without Caylee and had access to Casey’s car. Casey drove Amy’s car and also Tony’s while GA had her car. Think about that.

I personally think KC was acting out due to the dysfunction between Cindy and George by stealing, it’s certainly a cry out for help when you really look at it. I have a feeling Cindy was about to throw GA’s arse out and maybe said something about putting the house in Casey’s name so GA couldnt gain access to it? With the stress of KC and GA I wonder if Cindy lost it on poor Caylee and then blamed or George or I hate to think this but did GA see potencial monies for a botched kidnapping?? What was he into? He wasnt working for the longest time. Whatever it was, he didnt want it coming out which is probably why his actions didnt make sense either. Why didnt LE investigate more? That is the question! And Yuri is up for what? Give me a break, how sad a competition like that is going on especially since this case is one of the biggest jokes every seen pertaining to investigating,,,,,Where is the outcry about that….

Sorry about the typos….There is something that just isnt right pertaining to the grandparents….Did Cindy lose it on Caylee then try to blame KC? That is what I meant to say…OR since GA held his wife hostage over the yrs by threatening to take her home if she divorces him also could’ve played a part…Was George desperate?? It seems he was the one who was holding that entire family hostage when you look at it…..LE should’ve taken it futher….

Has anyone noticed how often court is set for key dates that support a presumption of Casey’s guilt rather than innocence? Or perhaps it is a subconscious desire to keep certain dates in front of everyone’s mind. July 15, 2010 court was in session over the jail snitch issue. Dec. 11, 2008, court was in session. The same for Dec. 11 of 2009. The day closest to Mother’s day in 2010, court was in session, denying all motions regarding the death penalty. Trial begins on the day closest to Mother’s Day, 2011. Strickland originally chose this date after he originally said Jan. 5, 2009, 9:30am, then changed to Oct. 12, 2009 9am. Perry was going to start earlier and then changed it back to the day after Mother’s Day. Instead of writing the order as to the time and location of the jury selection, he writes several times in orders that this will be specified in a later order but hasn’t done that so far. He tells them in court, the time, first 9 and now 8:30 am. Would this pattern in the choice of court dates, repeatedly, show potential bias on the part of the judge, or that he likes to add a sense of drama to the proceedings?

I’ve been looking at the May 9 trial start, originally stated to begin at 9am, off and on for a while now and couldn’t put my finger on why the chart wasn’t throwing out any familiar degrees to show me what the highlight will be. But, perhaps that would be the best thing, if a completely impartial jury is the goal. You wouldn’t want any key detail to act like a shroud over the jury selection. But, that wasn’t to be, the time being moved to 8:30 am when a critical, crisis degree rises and sets. I cast this chart for Orlando, because the location isn’t known but this will still be valid, regardless of location because it is the Orlando energy that is going there to make the selection. But, I really think Perry’s appearance in West Palm Beach is the key hint to location because moving the jury selection there, gives the same degree on the horizon. Baez said he wanted Miami or South Florida so this would fit with Perry giving him part of what he wants. What bothers me most about the moving of the time back a half hour is that the energy was more compatible with the defendant, truth and justice at 9am but even 23 minutes later favors the prosecution, duality, commerce, even mistruths. Again, the rising energy promotes a sense of crisis and drama.

@Hazaka….Despite my 2 “what if” posts above….I agree with you. I don’t really think GA and CA had a hand in killing Casey. I do think it is an “unspecified other”. I think, perhaps, that GA and CA know more than what they’ve told, but it is gonna take some strong convincing to get me to really believe they did anything to harm Caylee. I think that if they were somehow involved with Caylee’s death, that 911 call would have been altogether different, and the story from the beginning would have been different. I think that the car would have never been brought up at all….and especially not the smell in the car. Of all the theories out there, and of all the ones still to come, not a one involving GA and CA would involve framing Casey to take the wrap for killing her child. GA and CA have worked too hard to convince people that Casey did not kill Caylee.

Yes…GA did go to the police and blab like a lunatic. Yes, Cindy has gone beserk a few times and lashed out at the media. But I’m just having a hard time believing that they would let Casey take the rap for something that they were responsible for.

BUT…..we don’t know what the defense is going to reveal that they’ve been holding “close to their vest” for nearly 3 years. Whatever they reveal is certainly going to shine a light on just how sloppy LE was in its investigation.

Snoop…the Ganguza thing has always made me go hmmmmm.
JB….thinking outside of the box is something LE failed to do. It may come back to bite them in the plump rump real soon.

Now to answer your question: I dont believe someone else outside the family is responsible, I believe someone within the family is responsible or a family members actions whether illegal or otherwise caused the death of Caylee. Either way the family knows. JMOO.

Lemme ask you a question. ITs not convincing you of anything just a question. Do we know if Caylee even made it home from the nursing home on June 15th? She was with Cindy Anthony, Casey was at Tony’s. Everything from that point on is very fuzzy other than George’s lies about seeing her on June 16th. Right? KC lied about the nanny and i’m sure we’ll hear why. Now, that leaves Cindy and Caylee together while KC was at Tony’s then possibly KC leaving Caylee at the home while she fled after what happened on June 15th so,,there is no witness placing Casey and Caylee leaving other than none other than George Anthony. There’s a problem there as nobody saw Casey with Caylee in her car thereafter….Why? My opinon she never left the house with her.

Whatever the scenerio, why would she see her mother once again if her defense is someone else within that family did it. Even if Cindy wasnt the culprit, she may see her mother as always the one covering for a lowlife father, the one who molested her and possibly once again she’s being blamed for something she may have not done, just like when her mother called her a whore when she told her about the abuse. So, I dont blame her a bit to be honest. Whatever, we’ll hear soon, and hope justice is served and the right Anthony pay…..

Just found this blog and as soon as I started reading, I knew I was in the right place. I’m impressed with the information, logic and civility. I was dreading the upcoming trial due to the hatred I read all over the Internet. So, now I’ve found a place where I can read and – perhaps -comment with open-minded people. Oh, and I’ll forward my SS # ASAP as I will be on the payroll. lol

Cindy’s 911 call was horrifying to say the least however we dont know what took place before she called either. George drove the car home, returned to work then came home later acting as if he didnt know what was going on. Gee, sounds strange since he admitted smelling death. WoW, return to work then walk back in and say who his missing?,,,They acted as if they aleady moarned Caylee, actually they had an entire month whether or not Cindy knew or whatever the circumstances…I’ve never heard Cindy from that point on shed a tear.

Hazaka,
That is true, almost 3 yrs of what ifs and to think it begins Monday. I won’t be able to watch live but have my dvr set and probably wont be filled in till late evenings however i’ll be able to see what is going on via iphone so /I hope someone is here during the day to post what is going on….: )

Good comments from everyone.I have been sitting here thinking that maybe I have over-thought this case. I have tried in every direction of who and why but still no answers.I am beginning to think we will really never know the real truth because the family does not deal in truth. I pray that I never have to walk in this families shoes and that each one of them find mercy and peace.

Pinellas County Fl? St Petersburg paper says there has been a lot of activity
going on!

SNIP::The building’s largest courtroom has been cleared of other proceedings for early next week. A healthy number of people have been summoned for jury duty on Monday and Tuesday. And media parking spaces outside the courthouse have been cordoned off.

Pinellas-Pasco Chief Judge Thomas McGrady refused to comment on whether jury selection for the Anthony case is coming to Pinellas.

“Any information on where that case is going to go has to come from Orlando,” he said.

About the schedule in the large Pinellas courtroom, Pinellas-Pasco courts spokesman Ron Stuart said: “There’s nothing I can tell you.”

A spokeswoman for the Pinellas County Sheriff’s Office, which handles security at the courthouse, said she could not provide details on preparations for Monday and Tuesday. She referred a reporter back to the courts.

Hi everyone, Good comments. Thank you for your insight.
Zuben,
Very interesting indeed. I strongly believe “timing” is everything. To say Judge Perry enjoys keeping the public in suspense is an understatement. I just hope the day this trial actually begins that the timing will be perfectly aligned for truth and justice.

GasCan,
I’ve been waiting to read your thoughts because I know how you feel about GA. I’d love to know what he was up to prior to May 2008. As for KC and CA, I’m trying to imagine what a heated discussion between those two would look like. I think it’s possible a heated argument could have turned physical. I also think it’s possible that Caylee could have been accidentally harmed during this altercation. We shall see.

Ha ha..All that for naught! Casey refuses to see Cindy. Now what? ..makes me wonder.

Welcome Rhondala,
I’m glad you found us. Feel free to join in any time.

Amazing George’s luck JB. First day on the new job and his granddaughter winds up missing, poor George, screwed again. As far as his positions prior to May 08, who knows, but i’m sure wondering how the hell he got a security job with his kind of work record and his prior arrest…..

Zuben, I remember the judge referring to as long as they left by ____
time. But I don’t recall what that was in reference to how long it would
take. An hour would not get him very far from Orlando.
They do have mom and pop motels out that way..and he also said
there were cheap hotels

Snoop and Omar…I agree that critical thinking comes much easier to more educated people. That’s why the people who contribute to this blog can come up with so many ‘what ifs’….we are thinkers and we are suspicious of those who are not. Those who are not also seem to have 4 letter vocabularies when they get angry. They don’t have the eloquence to argue their point intelligently so all they can do is explode and toss out expletives. My Dad always said…”Never underestimate stupid people in large groups.” I really wish there were many more of us who were willing to question the issues we consider unjust.

I wonder about Lee in all of this drama, he sure has stayed out of the public for a long time. I think he may know a lot, will be an interesting trial.The one person I do feel very sorry for is Cindys mother SP what a shame she has to endure all of this at her age. I guess by Mothers Day coming up got me to thinking of her. Happy Mothers Day.

JB…
Hi…I missed so much. I’ve been reading back posts all day! Some really great comments by everyone!
Omar
…really great points! I was always thinking that Casey trusted the wrong person, but your speculation has me thinking…it could just as easily have been George. I do remember something about that line “I’m going to teach you a lesson”…being said to Casey. Do you remember that? Supposedly, the person who took Caylee said that to Casey.You should be a screenwriter! Really compelling ‘script’!
Committing suicide via beer and pizza….too hilarious!
I still think someone other than a family member is responsible however.
I remember telling one of my friends, at the very beginning of this case…when the press got involved and then Leonard Padilla got involved…Nancy Grace was spewing her evil vitriol every night, etc…I said ” If they keep at this, whomever has Caylee will kill her because they’ll be too afraid of being charged with kidnapping, they’ll kill the baby or go to another country with her. She’ll never be found”. When the ‘remains’ were found…they were just too perfectly tied up with a bow on top…Hollywood ready. It just really looked like someone was trying their best to frame Casey.
GasCan
…I understand and can appreciate your views about Cindy, but it is still hard for me to believe that she would have hurt Caylee. I think she was truly smitten with her.
Zuben…Truly amazing astrological predictions! I hope everything is in alignment, in favor of the DT when it comes to jury selection and the trial .
Hazaka
…I agree 100%!
Cindy’s 911 call was made by someone who was completely stressed and traumatized and who was not rehearsed or guarded. Her emotion was completely raw. If she was acting she’d have to be in Meryl Streep’s league.
I, too, am not totally convinced that ‘Zenaida’ (or whatever her real name is) does not exist. There was ‘someone’ other than a family member that Casey had to be leaving Caylee with.
I also think that something really bizarre happened. I also believe there were sinister ‘goings on’ for at least 2 months before Caylee disappeared. I know the DT is aware of what actually happened. Hopefully, we will all know soon.
Rhodala
…Welcome!! If you prefer to think outside the box instead of being led around by the nose…you are definitely in the right place! Haha…ss# for payroll! Funny!

Diane
…I’ve often wondered about what Lee knows. I really don’t think he was culpable in any way, but he was really close to Casey…I wonder if she confided in him at all. He has that nervous laugh that seems to be more prominant when he’s stressed. That seems to be used to cover his anxiety. I’d also be trying to keep as far away from all of this if I were him. Can’t be fun.
…Happy Mother’s Day to you, also and to all of the mothers here. 🙂

GasCan,
Here I go thinking again..scary thought I know..
you said “First day on the new job and his granddaughter winds up missing, poor George, screwed again”
Question: Did he really start his new job on June 16th? If this is true, I’m wondering now if Casey went on to work thinking George was home as usual. Perhaps Caylee was taking a nap and George leaves without knowing she’s home. While alone at the house, little Caylee finds her way to the pool and drowns.
If it’s true that Casey had told Cindy she was taking off for a few days with Caylee and instead Casey thought she’d pull a fast one and leave Caylee home with George so she could hang out with Tony alone for a few days.
Both Cindy and George think Caylee’s with Casey. Considering the family dynamics, lack of communication, it could have been days before anyone found her. This would account for the dogs getting hits in the backyard too. Casey comes home a couple of days later to find Caylee. She panics, put her in the trunk not knowing what to do because she feels partially at fault. I do believe in ugly coping especially from a person who takes pride in being a good mother as everyone said Casey was. This might be hard on her ego to accept so she goes into denial. Saying this makes me wonder if Casey was preparing to go to jail for life, getting a tattoo, living it up with AH’s checkbook and so forth.
But….then again, why wouldn’t Casey just admit to what she did??? ::sigh::
I believe it was NTS who said the only thing that does fit is a kidnapping. Who knows…. lol Back to the drawing board.
Thanks for making me think.

JB….very interesting theory!
Kathy….I’m like you. I’m still having a hard time believing it was someone in the family. And you hit it right on when you said Cindy would have to be in Meryl Streep’s league to pull of the raw emotion in that phone call if it were an act. Great comment! I don’t know about that screen writer part, though! LOL.
Snoop and Diane…..I’ll bet Lee knows a lot and just wishes that he could move far, far away and get on with his life. IMO, the laughter is a nervous habit. I think Lee really wanted to help find Caylee….and I’m guessing that if anyone in the family knows the truth, it’s Lee.
GasCan….I thought GA started his new job shortly after the 4th of July, but now that you mention it….didn’t he ask to start a week late due to a medical condition his wife had? Now I’m curious. I’m gonna have to go hunt the document that talks about that. LOL.

Oh…..and Happy Mothers’ Day to all of you Mothers! I hope that all of you enjoy a day filled with love and laughter, random, sincere smiles, firm, heart-felt hugs, and memories that will brighten your days for years to come. Be blessed my friends!

Yeah I used to think the only thing that made sense was a kidnapping until Cm said it was a tragic accident. Now my mind is open to that again. I find it hard to believe that any of them would murder Caylee, but I do find it believable that an accident could have happened. I still wonder if GA and KC have a big secret. It is just wierd that she wanted to talk to him in jail and not CA. I mean from what I understand, they did not get along well and Ca had to come home several times from work to break it up. Why wouldn’t she choose CA? I think she somehow thought her dad had information for her, but 2 years later, he has thrown her under that bus so much, that she can’t even talk to him. He is totally blaming her. IMO

“We’re going to celebrate a late Mother’s Day, but it will be the best Mother’s Day present we could ask for,” said daughter Alana Williams, who was 11 when Debra Brown was arrested in Logan, about 80 miles north of Salt Lake City, 10 months after the November 1993 shooting death of her longtime friend and employer, Lael Brown. The two were not related.

“It definitely takes you back to your childhood. I’m sure it will be a homecoming like none other,” Williams said.

Last week, Brown became the first inmate exonerated under a 2008 Utah law that allows convictions to be reconsidered based on new factual — not scientific — evidence. More than 250 people since 1989 have been exonerated nationwide thanks to DNA testing.

In Brown’s case, a judge finally agreed with what she had been saying all along — that her alibi put her elsewhere when the crime occurred, even though she admitted forging checks belonging to the victim.

Happy Mother’s Day, all. Wow, what a wonderful gift for the mother in Utah, Hazaka. It makes me so angry to know that anyone spends even one day in prison wrongfully while the guilty party goes free.

I think it is pretty well established that George worked as much as possible. His July 24 interview mentions pay stubs/time cards and we’ve seen some of that in discovery. He has a work history like many I have known. He had a hard time finding his niche, circumstance thrusting him out of one thing after another. He left LE work to try and work with his father, tried to go out on his own, it didn’t work out. When Caylee went missing he worked for Security Forces at the ‘Pie Hole’ on Pershing Ave,. His regular shift was Sunday through Thursday, 7:30-3 for the 5 month period around that time, but some times he worked 3-11, like June15, 16, 26. His last day there was June 30. On June 24th, in the evening, he was offered a job with Andrews International.

I’m sorry, George but I really don’t think George had anything to do with this. Both parents have been too distraught and have implicated their own daughter too much. There is no way that Casey would sit mute while her parents send her down the river unless she is a complete emotional cripple.

Now, I have something to say about the digital forensics so I’ll go track down that thread.

Hazaka,
It warms my heart to read exoneration articles. Thanks for bringing it here. From the other thread, Hermom pointed to the 2005 case of Jerry Hobbs in Zion, IL.http://sfrbroadcasting.com/justice/coerced-confession-miracle-exoneration-the-case-of-ex-monster-jerry-hobbs
This article was written by the brother of the public defender Dave. The investigation of this guy Jerry Hobbs was totally botched. There was partial dNA under one of the fingernails of the victim and to make matters worst, the FBI lab failed to take genitalia swabs and missed what they call “swimmers” sperm cells which matched the dNA found under the nails.
The public defender wanted to go directly to the press with this information but as not to embarrass the SAO decided he’d just turn it over to the State and they would do the right thing.
NOT, they ignored it!
It wasn’t until the PD Dave filed a motion to have Jerry’s bond lowered was he able to bring in the newly discovered dNA. At this point the judge demanded that the dNA be retested but the State continued to sit on this new discovery AND the judge did not lower the bond. LOL It wasn’t until Dave served a subpoena to the FBI office in Chicago that they agreed to run the DNA sample against the national database. Because the data was incorrectly entered they didn’t find a match. Dave had already started building a life-size silhouette mannequin with a large question mark and a DNA code printed across its chest to bring to trial.
I’m thinking it would be a good idea for the Anthony Defense team to bring a female mannequin with that partial DNA code to her trial. LOL…I love visuals.

In 2005, Nancy Grace told viewers she was so convinced Jerry Hobbs killed his daughter and her friend that she would gladly eat a dirt sandwich if police failed to turn up the physical evidence. Thanks to Dave and a few other tenacious public defenders, Jerry Hobbs was released in August 2010.

LOL I wonder if Dave ever sent Nancy that dirt sandwich?? I’d like to see her eat it.

thejbmission
May 8, 2011 at 3:11 pm
Hazaka,
It warms my heart to read exoneration articles. Thanks for bringing it here. From the other thread, Hermom pointed to the 2005 case of Jerry Hobbs in Zion, IL.

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JB —- Hope you had/are having a wonderful Mother’s Day —-and yes, it warms my heart ….. yet it enrages me that so many are wrongly convicted.

Hazaka says
“and yes, it warms my heart ….. yet it enrages me that so many are wrongly convicted.”

Yes, it enrages my heart and breaks my belief in LE tactics too. Hobbs did confess after 20 hours of intense interrogation but I’m sure the anger, hurt and sorrow he was feeling knowing his daughter was brutally murdered played a huge part in his so-called confession. The confession he signed said one of the little girls had a knife that he took from her and used it to kill her. That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. A 9 yo carrying a knife?? Whaaat?? Just like duct tape was used to murder a two year old. Whaaat?? GMAB.

To all….The Hobbs case was 2005…I would like to think that things are better than that case. Nothing is perfect any where in life and expecting for the courts to be is a stretch. The Casey case has been going on for three years now and the defense did not test any of the evidence with the exception of the touch DNA experiment and you know what that brought.
The DNA on the tape that has been talked about so much here, has never been investigated by the defense. This makes me wonder why they picked and choosed when the court would have allowed them the money for testing. They have to know something we don’t. The defense has put up a front that tries to have any evidence thrown out but no evidence that proves Casey’s innocents. I have noticed now that the family is in the limelight but Casey is looked at as the victim. Don’t be surprised what comes out at trial. They maybe all guilty of something and that’s only because there was never a Zanny. I know that many here want to believe in Zanny but the writing has been on the wall for three years and the CBS story pretty much confirmed it unless LKB is a liar as well. It’s hard to say but I’ll go with the prosecution and the defense that has never produced the outcome to that story. We are in for the ride of oue lives……

Zuben,
I dont know what roll George might have played, I know it’s something, just the feeling I’ve always had. As Far as Cindy, it’s still a bit questionable and fuzzy about June 15th and also George’s activities also. I dont remember reading too much about where he actually was or if he was even home that night…..Nonetheless, hope we find out…

I believe if you followed along Damadg,…
you would know that I brought this case to this thread because “Hermom” another commenter who joined in yesterday brought this topic to light. The fact that you think this case in better shape than the Hobbs case has yet to be determined. In my opinion this was the worst investigation of a missing child I’ve ever come across. It was Yuri Melich who without a doubt had colossal rush to judgment.

Ironically there are a few of similarities in these two cases; media frenzy and Nancy Grace’s rush to judgment. Lastly and not forgotten is the smidgen of unknown dNA on the duct tape that doesn’t belong to Casey. In the Hobbs case there was partial dNA found under the fingernails of one of the victims that did not match Hobbs.
This dNA that “I” talk about which is on the duct tape was vaguely mentioned by the DT publicly that I know of and as I recall it wasn’t but a few sentences.
I believe the reason for this is because it’s going to be their ace in the hole. We shall see.

The reason I think the DT wanted to have the laundry bag and shorts tested for Touch dNA was to compare to the dNA from the duct tape.

As far as I know, no dNA was found so the testing may have been a bust but certainly worth every nickel to find out for sure. Again in my opinion, money and the pursuit of justice should never be in the same sentence.

I thought Hobb’s public defender Dave’s idea was brilliant. I’d love to see Baez bring to court a female mannequin with the partial dNA data code and question mark written across her chest.

You said, “The defense has put up a front that tries to have any evidence thrown out but no evidence that proves Casey’s innocents.”
Having as much evidence as possible thrown out is common practice of any defense attorney. That’s Lawyer 101. As for evidence that proves Casey’s innocence as you probably know by now, it’s not Baez and Mason’s job to prove her innocence. It their job to raise reasonable doubt and surely unknown dNA on the sticky side of the duct tape does indeed raise reasonable doubt.
As for a nanny, the only evidentiary knowledge that I have is in Richard Grund’s statement when he tells LE Casey told him her new babysitter’s name is Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez. I believe she said this to him a year before Caylee’s subsequent death. True on 48Hrs, LKB said the nanny story was a lie but I think she’s speculating just like everyone else. If Casey had actually told her this in confidence, I don’t believe LKB would repeat this on live television with that confidentially issue lawyers must abide by.

JB..Thank you! Great Comment. I was really not wanting to go there..To suggest
that 6 years difference in the case going to trial..(although only 3 years for the event time)
that the justice system has made Great Progress after many years.. IMO is total
nativity. IMO I see many similarities.. Justice not served.

As far as KC telling RG about Zenaida, & Hopkins, that was 2006. 2 years
prior..which is what she tells LE as well in her interview. LKB did say Zanny
did not kidnap Caylee, IMO also, that does not mean there was not a Zenaida.
For LKB to say that, she would have needed permission.. I do not know,
if there is, was, a Zenaida..nor do I know if KC allowed her to care for her, and
something happened. But I do know there was a Zenaida Gonzalez at Sawgrass
apt. on July 17th.. and KC had not just made up the name that day. So, where
is the commonality there..how did that happen. I was in her my space and her
boyfriend in the wee hours again last night. It has changed some..She has some
pics in there..I did not spend a lot of time..but enough in both to know they
seem to have some vendetta..As well as the portrayals of their character is less
than…
ZG http://www.myspace.com/gitana2332
boyfriend..or ex now I should say IIRC………………http://www.myspace.com/jaobebe

Now although she was cleared?? The very timing IMO is just uncanny!

I have refrained from commenting about the family’s involvement..I did also
listen to CA and GA depositions again last evening as well..I don’t kknow.
I speculated last year in regards to the molesting..as well as Cindy choking..
It wasn’t really taken well here I don’t think..Although I feel there is a possibility
I would then have to say..if it was an accident..if they were involved..if Casey was
involved with them..etc. Then that would mean what..with the theories of the remains
being found? By whom? When..Does that let LE off the hook? RK?

I’m not sure about what all has been said in the last couple weeks..LKB and the nanny..
CM and the accident..the inference to GA..and or family? You know CM is wise like
a fox..It could also be a play with words? Causing reasonable doubt..But not really
what will be played out at trial? It could be a whole different direction..couldn’t it?

Well those are my “at the moment” thoughts. Before I jump in with a new way of
thinking about the case..I really need to think about it ..review it..weight it out..
So I am still weighing..but for the moment..LOL those are my thoughts..

CASEY ANTHONY: They only dated a couple months. It was never anything serious. She never had him around Caylee or the other children she baby-sat, so it was never an uncomfortable situation. But this is so heart-wrenching because there was never a sign, never a single sign that this was going to happen.

If anyone does go in her site..I find I have to hit control- and control+ to
navigate around make things smaller then larger..LOL she has used it all up.
When I try to move the page down..I actually have to either scroll or move the side
bar..the arrow down did not work ..I thought it was the laptop I was on last night..
but I am on my PC tonight same thing.

Snoop,
Well stated. I want you to know any and all of your comments are always accepted here. 😀 Don’t hold back..lol..I don’t. Just say it.
Thanks for clarification.. KC mentioned ZG to RG 2 years ago, not one. Got it.
I’ve been taken back by all of CM’s comments as of late. It’s an accident, it’s G&C?? But like you..I can’t get pass ZG being at Sawgrass apts on the 17th. That was a shocker and add to this what we learned later was the J Gonzalez who worked at Sawgrass and suddenly leaves town at almost the exact time. The timing is uncanny. I’m glad your keeping us posted on lawsuit Z…

I just want to take this opportunity to tell ALL of you how great it’s been to follow this case with you guys. After posting and reading over 70,000 comments here, I believe it’s safe to say we’re all walking encyclopedias when it comes to Casey Anthony and this unbelievable chain of events that brought on the death of her beautiful child Caylee Marie.
The contributions you’ve all made are astounding!! We’ve managed to get pass the prate and get to goods of this case. We left them behind in our dust to find what makes sense and crossed checked it with the facts and filled in the rest with just gut feelings from the heart. Perfect!!
Well..I don’t want to get mushy..so I’ll just say you guys ROCK!! I am STOKED and feel privileged to be able to discuss this trial with all of you, the smartest, savviest people on the net.

JB….Thank you for giving us a home where we feel safe and accepted! You are amazing, and I’m so grateful for all you have done. I’m excited to see what this trial reveals. I think we are in for quite a few surprises. I’m glad I have you all to share it with.

I am so glad that someone besides me finally sees that thr evidence in this case is just not there! There is way to much circumstancial evidence! The scientific evidence has never been used in court! Casey was not tried in court but by the media! I just don’t see how ahe will get a fair trail!

Hi firefly415,
I’m glad you agree. The potential jury pool is nill thanks to the media..just my opinion.
Will Casey Anthony get a fair trial? Not likely.. thanks for stopping in. Its good to know there’s more like us out there.