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Updated - IRA bomb memorial thief jailed for online scam

A THIEF who attempted to steal a plaque from the IRA bomb memorial is back in prison after taking part in an international internet scam that saw shoppers conned out of thousands of pounds.

Chester Crown Court heard on Thursday how the fraud saw more than £32,000 stolen.

Websites were used to sell discounted cameras at cheap prices, but set up so that card payments would deliberately fail.

Customers were then asked to make a bank transfer, and the money was stolen. No goods were ever provided.

Spartakas Grachauskas, aged 27, of Dudley Street, Orford, allowed his own bank account to be used to launder money from the illegal operation, the court heard.

He was jailed for 18 weeks in May 2012 after attempting to steal a plaque that forms part of the River Of Life memorial on Bridge Street to bomb victims Tim Parry and Johnathan Ball.

Three other defendants also took part in the money laundering by allowing personal bank accounts to be used.

They were Lilija Gincman, of Howson Road, Orford;

Rita Jablonskaite, from Stoke;

and Aleksas Bagdonavicius from Crewe,

All three were found guilty after trial.

Judge Roger Dutton said in making their bank accounts available the Lithuanian nationals had allowed criminals to rip off residents ‘at arm’s length’.

He branded their evidence during the trial last year as ‘ridiculous’.

Grachauskas did not turn up to the trial in December, but on arrest pleaded guilty to money laundering at what Judge Dutton called the ‘eleventh and three quarter hour’.

He allowed £4,307 to pass through his account.

Lucy O’Gara, defending, said he failed to appear at trial as he did not have money for transport.

“He was worried about financially supporting his family so he allowed his bank account to be used,” said Ms O’Gara.

“He says he was not aware of the larger scale of the operation.”

The court heard criminals who hatched the online fraud, that operated from June 5 2012 to December 1 2012, are probably based in Lithuania and have not been caught.

Customers across Europe were conned with victims reported in Greece, Germany, France and Italy.

Gincman laundered £16,695.

Judge Dutton said there was evidence to suggest she was more deeply involved in the fraud, with police finding a diary of passwords, contacts and account details at her Orford home.

The court accepted the defendants had been targeted by more ‘criminally sophisticated’ fraudsters.

Gincman, Jablonskaite and Bagdonavicius were jailed for a year for money laundering.

Grachauskas was jailed for eleven months for money laundering, and one month for breaching bail conditions.

Judge Roger Dutton slammed the deception of the defendant's during sentencing.

He said: “It’s often said the internet has changed our lives immensely over the years.

“What it has also done is open up opportunities for unscrupulous criminals to exploit unsuspecting members of the public at arm’s length, who send money off to websites in the trusting expectation they will receive the which they have paid for.

“In order to operate a criminal scam of this kind it requires criminals who are prepared to allow existing bank accounts to be used for money from the unsuspecting public to be channelled into these accounts and then, within days, the cash withdrawn and funnelled back to the criminal enterprise.

“This is the role you played.

“Without your co-operation, this fraud could not have succeeded.

“You were a highly necessary ingredient.

Judge Dutton slammed the defendants convicted at trial of attempting to lie their way out of trouble.

“The air of innocence you portrayed to the jury was clearly a facade.

“Each of you knew precisely what was going on.

“You were telling a cock and bull story that had probably been fed to you by those running this.

“The sad fact in this is that none of you realised how ridiculous those accounts were.

“Each of you came to the UK, it seems from the evidence heard, none of you can speak a word of the language and are reliant on family.

“However, you knew what bank accounts to get, and how to play your part.”

SickAndTired2 wrote:
I hate to break this to you but no where in this article does it say anything about them being immigrants.

Here's a straw, have a good clutch...

[quote][p][bold]SickAndTired2[/bold] wrote:
I hate to break this to you but no where in this article does it say anything about them being immigrants.[/p][/quote]Here's a straw, have a good clutch...Freeborn John

Freeborn John wrote:
It beats me how they find the time for all this, what with having to do all the jobs the British won't do and all.

Did you hear about the trial and conviction of Ian Watkins the British singer from Rock band Lost Prophets? How does his heinous crime reflect upon you as a British citizen?

[quote][p][bold]Freeborn John[/bold] wrote:
It beats me how they find the time for all this, what with having to do all the jobs the British won't do and all.[/p][/quote]Did you hear about the trial and conviction of Ian Watkins the British singer from Rock band Lost Prophets? How does his heinous crime reflect upon you as a British citizen?PageA

If someone formed an opinion of you based upon his actions...I presume you'd think that to be unfair.. When someone makes a comment that divides people into racial or ethnic groups and attributes to them shared traits, morality, intellect etc...that's considered to be a racist comment. Someone who believes that a persons ethnic background determines their behaviour as an individual and groups people together in this way...I know you chaps get all uppity at this but...they're either racist or doing a mighty fine impression of one

If someone formed an opinion of you based upon his actions...I presume you'd think that to be unfair.. When someone makes a comment that divides people into racial or ethnic groups and attributes to them shared traits, morality, intellect etc...that's considered to be a racist comment. Someone who believes that a persons ethnic background determines their behaviour as an individual and groups people together in this way...I know you chaps get all uppity at this but...they're either racist or doing a mighty fine impression of onePageA

SickAndTired2 wrote:
I hate to break this to you but no where in this article does it say anything about them being immigrants.

Here's a straw, have a good clutch...

It says they are Lithuanian nations it the article

[quote][p][bold]Freeborn John[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]SickAndTired2[/bold] wrote:
I hate to break this to you but no where in this article does it say anything about them being immigrants.[/p][/quote]Here's a straw, have a good clutch...[/p][/quote]It says they are Lithuanian nations it the articleThe Maestro

PageA wrote:
If someone formed an opinion of you based upon his actions...I presume you'd think that to be unfair.. When someone makes a comment that divides people into racial or ethnic groups and attributes to them shared traits, morality, intellect etc...that's considered to be a racist comment. Someone who believes that a persons ethnic background determines their behaviour as an individual and groups people together in this way...I know you chaps get all uppity at this but...they're either racist or doing a mighty fine impression of one

I don't think anyone has said he's done it because of his ethnic back ground.

[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
If someone formed an opinion of you based upon his actions...I presume you'd think that to be unfair.. When someone makes a comment that divides people into racial or ethnic groups and attributes to them shared traits, morality, intellect etc...that's considered to be a racist comment. Someone who believes that a persons ethnic background determines their behaviour as an individual and groups people together in this way...I know you chaps get all uppity at this but...they're either racist or doing a mighty fine impression of one[/p][/quote]I don't think anyone has said he's done it because of his ethnic back ground.The Maestro

PageA wrote:
If someone formed an opinion of you based upon his actions...I presume you'd think that to be unfair.. When someone makes a comment that divides people into racial or ethnic groups and attributes to them shared traits, morality, intellect etc...that's considered to be a racist comment. Someone who believes that a persons ethnic background determines their behaviour as an individual and groups people together in this way...I know you chaps get all uppity at this but...they're either racist or doing a mighty fine impression of one

I don't think anyone has said he's done it because of his ethnic back ground.

It beats me how they find the time for all this, what with having to do all the jobs the British won't do and all.

Is Freeborn John remarking upon previous information about the defendants that he was privy to? Had they, the defendants, told him that they were going to do all the jobs that the British won't do? Or is he grouping people together and attributing to them shared criminal traits?

[quote][p][bold]The Maestro[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
If someone formed an opinion of you based upon his actions...I presume you'd think that to be unfair.. When someone makes a comment that divides people into racial or ethnic groups and attributes to them shared traits, morality, intellect etc...that's considered to be a racist comment. Someone who believes that a persons ethnic background determines their behaviour as an individual and groups people together in this way...I know you chaps get all uppity at this but...they're either racist or doing a mighty fine impression of one[/p][/quote]I don't think anyone has said he's done it because of his ethnic back ground.[/p][/quote]It beats me how they find the time for all this, what with having to do all the jobs the British won't do and all.
Is Freeborn John remarking upon previous information about the defendants that he was privy to? Had they, the defendants, told him that they were going to do all the jobs that the British won't do? Or is he grouping people together and attributing to them shared criminal traits?PageA

Him and his criminal Friends should be made to serve the sentence then be shipped out back to there native land. Because I very much doubt they will contribute to our, YES OUR British society . Unless contributing to the good in OUR country they should be made to leave. However that is not to say that many 1000s of immigrants are contributing in a positive way and genuinely grafting for a living.

Him and his criminal Friends should be made to serve the sentence then be shipped out back to there native land. Because I very much doubt they will contribute to our, YES OUR British society . Unless contributing to the good in OUR country they should be made to leave. However that is not to say that many 1000s of immigrants are contributing in a positive way and genuinely grafting for a living.Daz@SankeyviaOrford

Actually Pagey, I'm making fun of the Mantra, the banal excuse that your kind trots out whenever they're asked what some unskilled and essentially unemployable person with no links to the UK whatsoever is doing lounging around Bridge Street all day.
"They're here to do the jobs the British won't do."

Actually Pagey, I'm making fun of the Mantra, the banal excuse that your kind trots out whenever they're asked what some unskilled and essentially unemployable person with no links to the UK whatsoever is doing lounging around Bridge Street all day.
"They're here to do the jobs the British won't do."Freeborn John

Such a wonderful contribution to our British way of life and prosperity,,Grachaus
kas,Ginkman,Jabionsk
aite,Bagdonavicius,a
nd all with good old British names.
Freeborn John,despite what you seem to not want to believe,I can only conclude that these people are immigrants,bringing their skills to our British shores and enriching our way of life.

Such a wonderful contribution to our British way of life and prosperity,,Grachaus
kas,Ginkman,Jabionsk
aite,Bagdonavicius,a
nd all with good old British names.
Freeborn John,despite what you seem to not want to believe,I can only conclude that these people are immigrants,bringing their skills to our British shores and enriching our way of life.MrBenggo

as cultures go eastern Europeans have a height of scams from their underground gangs.

the most common is insurance fraud (which after the last 10 years of scams that the insurance have clamped down on) will now flair up again hopefully the insurance companies have good investigators.

Most eastern Europeans where bought up with carrot and stick through generations, so when they see a target rich environment like the uk for work a new life, and unfortunately crime thats where they will head.

in Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Belguim, Holland, Switerland AND sweeden If your an immigrant/Migrant or on a work visa if you break the law you are instantly deported after any sentence has been carried out.

So why should we be the country that gives them more and more chances we have enough crime of our own.

as cultures go eastern Europeans have a height of scams from their underground gangs.
the most common is insurance fraud (which after the last 10 years of scams that the insurance have clamped down on) will now flair up again hopefully the insurance companies have good investigators.
Most eastern Europeans where bought up with carrot and stick through generations, so when they see a target rich environment like the uk for work a new life, and unfortunately crime thats where they will head.
in Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Belguim, Holland, Switerland AND sweeden If your an immigrant/Migrant or on a work visa if you break the law you are instantly deported after any sentence has been carried out.
So why should we be the country that gives them more and more chances we have enough crime of our own.fedster

and pagey dude get used to this sort of story as the last 5 or 6 years the news has always been interested in making money of good stories
but with elections next year all you will see now is the MP's showing they can be a tough as ukip in fact they are jumping on board most of ukips policies and using the news to get them some potential voters.

so get ready for 15 months or so of defending criminals.

and pagey dude get used to this sort of story as the last 5 or 6 years the news has always been interested in making money of good stories
but with elections next year all you will see now is the MP's showing they can be a tough as ukip in fact they are jumping on board most of ukips policies and using the news to get them some potential voters.
so get ready for 15 months or so of defending criminals.fedster

fedster says,
Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Belguim, Holland, Switerland AND sweeden If your an immigrant/Migrant or on a work visa if you break the law you are instantly deported after any sentence has been carried out.

That's very true fedster, Its not racist either, This country is finished because we are ruled from Brussels and not Westminster. Freedom of speech has gone out of the window, These thieves got off lightly and its just not good enough.

fedster says,
Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Belguim, Holland, Switerland AND sweeden If your an immigrant/Migrant or on a work visa if you break the law you are instantly deported after any sentence has been carried out.
That's very true fedster, Its not racist either, This country is finished because we are ruled from Brussels and not Westminster. Freedom of speech has gone out of the window, These thieves got off lightly and its just not good enough.old-codger

Lilija Gincman, Rita Jablonskaite, Aleksas Bagdonavicius, Lithuanian nationals, Grachauskas has numerous previous convictions including a theft matter in May 2012. The court heard criminals who hatched the online fraud are probably based in Lithuania and have not been caught.

Enough said to form an opinion.

Lilija Gincman, Rita Jablonskaite, Aleksas Bagdonavicius, Lithuanian nationals, Grachauskas has numerous previous convictions including a theft matter in May 2012. The court heard criminals who hatched the online fraud are probably based in Lithuania and have not been caught.
Enough said to form an opinion.old-codger

SickAndTired2 wrote:
I hate to break this to you but no where in this article does it say anything about them being immigrants.

Here's a straw, have a good clutch...

It says they are Lithuanian nations it the article

I stand corrected then.

Kick the filthly little parasite out then.

[quote][p][bold]The Maestro[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Freeborn John[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]SickAndTired2[/bold] wrote:
I hate to break this to you but no where in this article does it say anything about them being immigrants.[/p][/quote]Here's a straw, have a good clutch...[/p][/quote]It says they are Lithuanian nations it the article[/p][/quote]I stand corrected then.
Kick the filthly little parasite out then.SickAndTired2

fedster wrote:
and pagey dude get used to this sort of story as the last 5 or 6 years the news has always been interested in making money of good stories
but with elections next year all you will see now is the MP's showing they can be a tough as ukip in fact they are jumping on board most of ukips policies and using the news to get them some potential voters.

so get ready for 15 months or so of defending criminals.

if you read what I write, you'll see that I have never defended criminals.
You're approaching this from an ignorant and jaded position and that's not helping things to move along.

[quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote:
and pagey dude get used to this sort of story as the last 5 or 6 years the news has always been interested in making money of good stories
but with elections next year all you will see now is the MP's showing they can be a tough as ukip in fact they are jumping on board most of ukips policies and using the news to get them some potential voters.
so get ready for 15 months or so of defending criminals.[/p][/quote]if you read what I write, you'll see that I have never defended criminals.
You're approaching this from an ignorant and jaded position and that's not helping things to move along.PageA

old-codger wrote:
Lilija Gincman, Rita Jablonskaite, Aleksas Bagdonavicius, Lithuanian nationals, Grachauskas has numerous previous convictions including a theft matter in May 2012. The court heard criminals who hatched the online fraud are probably based in Lithuania and have not been caught.

Enough said to form an opinion.

What's the opinion you formed?

[quote][p][bold]old-codger[/bold] wrote:
Lilija Gincman, Rita Jablonskaite, Aleksas Bagdonavicius, Lithuanian nationals, Grachauskas has numerous previous convictions including a theft matter in May 2012. The court heard criminals who hatched the online fraud are probably based in Lithuania and have not been caught.
Enough said to form an opinion.[/p][/quote]What's the opinion you formed?PageA

old-codger wrote:
fedster says,
Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Belguim, Holland, Switerland AND sweeden If your an immigrant/Migrant or on a work visa if you break the law you are instantly deported after any sentence has been carried out.

That's very true fedster, Its not racist either, This country is finished because we are ruled from Brussels and not Westminster. Freedom of speech has gone out of the window, These thieves got off lightly and its just not good enough.

You have your freedom of speech old-codger and so does everyone else. What's the problem?

[quote][p][bold]old-codger[/bold] wrote:
fedster says,
Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Belguim, Holland, Switerland AND sweeden If your an immigrant/Migrant or on a work visa if you break the law you are instantly deported after any sentence has been carried out.
That's very true fedster, Its not racist either, This country is finished because we are ruled from Brussels and not Westminster. Freedom of speech has gone out of the window, These thieves got off lightly and its just not good enough.[/p][/quote]You have your freedom of speech old-codger and so does everyone else. What's the problem?PageA

fedster wrote:
as cultures go eastern Europeans have a height of scams from their underground gangs.

the most common is insurance fraud (which after the last 10 years of scams that the insurance have clamped down on) will now flair up again hopefully the insurance companies have good investigators.

Most eastern Europeans where bought up with carrot and stick through generations, so when they see a target rich environment like the uk for work a new life, and unfortunately crime thats where they will head.

in Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Belguim, Holland, Switerland AND sweeden If your an immigrant/Migrant or on a work visa if you break the law you are instantly deported after any sentence has been carried out.

So why should we be the country that gives them more and more chances we have enough crime of our own.

Most eastern Europeans where bought up with carrot and stick through generations, so when they see a target rich environment like the uk for work a new life, and unfortunately crime thats where they will head.

This is illegible to me, what do you mean?

[quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote:
as cultures go eastern Europeans have a height of scams from their underground gangs.
the most common is insurance fraud (which after the last 10 years of scams that the insurance have clamped down on) will now flair up again hopefully the insurance companies have good investigators.
Most eastern Europeans where bought up with carrot and stick through generations, so when they see a target rich environment like the uk for work a new life, and unfortunately crime thats where they will head.
in Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Belguim, Holland, Switerland AND sweeden If your an immigrant/Migrant or on a work visa if you break the law you are instantly deported after any sentence has been carried out.
So why should we be the country that gives them more and more chances we have enough crime of our own.[/p][/quote]Most eastern Europeans where bought up with carrot and stick through generations, so when they see a target rich environment like the uk for work a new life, and unfortunately crime thats where they will head.
This is illegible to me, what do you mean?PageA

Freeborn John wrote:
Actually Pagey, I'm making fun of the Mantra, the banal excuse that your kind trots out whenever they're asked what some unskilled and essentially unemployable person with no links to the UK whatsoever is doing lounging around Bridge Street all day.
&quot;They're here to do the jobs the British won't do."

haha..can't keep up with you chaps..Are they stealing British jobs or not? I thought was the main problem..now it's that they're not working. You're making my head spin

[quote][p][bold]Freeborn John[/bold] wrote:
Actually Pagey, I'm making fun of the Mantra, the banal excuse that your kind trots out whenever they're asked what some unskilled and essentially unemployable person with no links to the UK whatsoever is doing lounging around Bridge Street all day.
"They're here to do the jobs the British won't do."[/p][/quote]haha..can't keep up with you chaps..Are they stealing British jobs or not? I thought was the main problem..now it's that they're not working. You're making my head spinPageA

MrBenggo wrote:
Such a wonderful contribution to our British way of life and prosperity,,Grachaus

kas,Ginkman,Jabionsk

aite,Bagdonavicius,a

nd all with good old British names.
Freeborn John,despite what you seem to not want to believe,I can only conclude that these people are immigrants,bringing their skills to our British shores and enriching our way of life.

Good old British names...You mean like Saxe-Coburg-Gotha?

[quote][p][bold]MrBenggo[/bold] wrote:
Such a wonderful contribution to our British way of life and prosperity,,Grachaus
kas,Ginkman,Jabionsk
aite,Bagdonavicius,a
nd all with good old British names.
Freeborn John,despite what you seem to not want to believe,I can only conclude that these people are immigrants,bringing their skills to our British shores and enriching our way of life.[/p][/quote]Good old British names...You mean like Saxe-Coburg-Gotha?PageA

Freeborn John wrote:
Actually Pagey, I'm making fun of the Mantra, the banal excuse that your kind trots out whenever they're asked what some unskilled and essentially unemployable person with no links to the UK whatsoever is doing lounging around Bridge Street all day.
&quot;They're here to do the jobs the British won't do."

haha..can't keep up with you chaps..Are they stealing British jobs or not? I thought was the main problem..now it's that they're not working. You're making my head spin

They are just plain stealing/thieving call it what you will.

[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Freeborn John[/bold] wrote:
Actually Pagey, I'm making fun of the Mantra, the banal excuse that your kind trots out whenever they're asked what some unskilled and essentially unemployable person with no links to the UK whatsoever is doing lounging around Bridge Street all day.
"They're here to do the jobs the British won't do."[/p][/quote]haha..can't keep up with you chaps..Are they stealing British jobs or not? I thought was the main problem..now it's that they're not working. You're making my head spin[/p][/quote]They are just plain stealing/thieving call it what you will.MrBenggo

Freeborn John wrote:
Actually Pagey, I'm making fun of the Mantra, the banal excuse that your kind trots out whenever they're asked what some unskilled and essentially unemployable person with no links to the UK whatsoever is doing lounging around Bridge Street all day.
&quot;They're here to do the jobs the British won't do."

haha..can't keep up with you chaps..Are they stealing British jobs or not? I thought was the main problem..now it's that they're not working. You're making my head spin

They are just plain stealing/thieving call it what you will.

Sorry, who are you talking about? The people in this story?

[quote][p][bold]MrBenggo[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Freeborn John[/bold] wrote:
Actually Pagey, I'm making fun of the Mantra, the banal excuse that your kind trots out whenever they're asked what some unskilled and essentially unemployable person with no links to the UK whatsoever is doing lounging around Bridge Street all day.
"They're here to do the jobs the British won't do."[/p][/quote]haha..can't keep up with you chaps..Are they stealing British jobs or not? I thought was the main problem..now it's that they're not working. You're making my head spin[/p][/quote]They are just plain stealing/thieving call it what you will.[/p][/quote]Sorry, who are you talking about? The people in this story?PageA

Why are the people in the story about an internet scam, including a man from Stoke and one from Crewe doing "lounging around Bridge Street all day"?

[quote][p][bold]MrBenggo[/bold] wrote:
The people in the story.[/p][/quote]Why are the people in the story about an internet scam, including a man from Stoke and one from Crewe doing "lounging around Bridge Street all day"?PageA

Why are the people in the story about an internet scam, including a man from Stoke and one from Crewe doing &quot;lounging around Bridge Street all day"?

*what*

[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]MrBenggo[/bold] wrote:
The people in the story.[/p][/quote]Why are the people in the story about an internet scam, including a man from Stoke and one from Crewe doing "lounging around Bridge Street all day"?[/p][/quote]*what*PageA

[quote][p][bold]MAD 4 IT[/bold] wrote:
PAGE A HAVE YOU NOTHING "BETTER" TO DO ?? ALL YOU DO IS POST COMMENTS MOANING ALL THE TIME ! STOP MUNCHING YOUR KEYBOARD THERE IS A BIG WIDE WORLD OUT THERE !!![/p][/quote].....actually forget it ...my response involves complex things like irony.Nick Tessla

MAD 4 IT wrote:
PAGE A HAVE YOU NOTHING &quot;BETTER" TO DO ?? ALL YOU DO IS POST COMMENTS MOANING ALL THE TIME ! STOP MUNCHING YOUR KEYBOARD THERE IS A BIG WIDE WORLD OUT THERE !!!

I'm sure I can speak for everyone when I say....well done you! That sentence was really nicely written, your mum will be very proud. Let me state though that there are very few things "BETTER TO DO" than fighting bigotry and intolerance on here. It's what I live for ...and when I'm not online..I'm thinking about something that someone said online and how I'm gonna make them pay for their ignorant outlook on the world and lack of compassion for other human beings. You do caps lock..I do moral high ground. Probably neither of us are treated with the respect we deserve at work. We are bitter

[quote][p][bold]MAD 4 IT[/bold] wrote:
PAGE A HAVE YOU NOTHING "BETTER" TO DO ?? ALL YOU DO IS POST COMMENTS MOANING ALL THE TIME ! STOP MUNCHING YOUR KEYBOARD THERE IS A BIG WIDE WORLD OUT THERE !!![/p][/quote]I'm sure I can speak for everyone when I say....well done you! That sentence was really nicely written, your mum will be very proud. Let me state though that there are very few things "BETTER TO DO" than fighting bigotry and intolerance on here. It's what I live for ...and when I'm not online..I'm thinking about something that someone said online and how I'm gonna make them pay for their ignorant outlook on the world and lack of compassion for other human beings. You do caps lock..I do moral high ground. Probably neither of us are treated with the respect we deserve at work. We are bitterPageA

True it does not say anywhere in the article that these people are immegrants. However when the first on attemtped to steal the plaque, it was then sated he was an immegrant. Deport him, why should we as taxpayers pay for his time in prison and then when he comes out, probably have to pay him benefits because he won't be able to get a job with his record

True it does not say anywhere in the article that these people are immegrants. However when the first on attemtped to steal the plaque, it was then sated he was an immegrant. Deport him, why should we as taxpayers pay for his time in prison and then when he comes out, probably have to pay him benefits because he won't be able to get a job with his recordtojahejome

Daz@SankeyviaOrford wrote:
Him and his criminal Friends should be made to serve the sentence then be shipped out back to there native land. Because I very much doubt they will contribute to our, YES OUR British society . Unless contributing to the good in OUR country they should be made to leave. However that is not to say that many 1000s of immigrants are contributing in a positive way and genuinely grafting for a living.

Well said

[quote][p][bold]Daz@SankeyviaOrford[/bold] wrote:
Him and his criminal Friends should be made to serve the sentence then be shipped out back to there native land. Because I very much doubt they will contribute to our, YES OUR British society . Unless contributing to the good in OUR country they should be made to leave. However that is not to say that many 1000s of immigrants are contributing in a positive way and genuinely grafting for a living.[/p][/quote]Well saidchumhill

Warrington Wife wrote:
Deport them why should the British tax payer pay for their stay in prison. They do in Australia

Automatically taking back their own crooks should have been made a condition of membership before certain new countries were allowed to shove their snouts into the European Union trough, too late now though, unfortunately.

[quote][p][bold]Warrington Wife[/bold] wrote:
Deport them why should the British tax payer pay for their stay in prison. They do in Australia[/p][/quote]Automatically taking back their own crooks should have been made a condition of membership before certain new countries were allowed to shove their snouts into the European Union trough, too late now though, unfortunately.Freeborn John

Warrington Wife wrote:
Deport them why should the British tax payer pay for their stay in prison. They do in Australia

Automatically taking back their own crooks should have been made a condition of membership before certain new countries were allowed to shove their snouts into the European Union trough, too late now though, unfortunately.

' shove their snouts in the trough' ...like pigs you mean? Pigs or vermin are common words used by racists and Nazi's when refering to ethinc groups. I hope they have considered joining the EU very carefully and don't have a nation of whingers who moan. Constantly. Some 20 years after the decisions were made. Is it still a surprise to you? It was in all the papers. It's a union of countries with mobility of labour and one day central taxation. They come here..we go there..some of us get in trouble there...some of them get in trouble here

[quote][p][bold]Freeborn John[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Warrington Wife[/bold] wrote:
Deport them why should the British tax payer pay for their stay in prison. They do in Australia[/p][/quote]Automatically taking back their own crooks should have been made a condition of membership before certain new countries were allowed to shove their snouts into the European Union trough, too late now though, unfortunately.[/p][/quote]' shove their snouts in the trough' ...like pigs you mean? Pigs or vermin are common words used by racists and Nazi's when refering to ethinc groups. I hope they have considered joining the EU very carefully and don't have a nation of whingers who moan. Constantly. Some 20 years after the decisions were made. Is it still a surprise to you? It was in all the papers. It's a union of countries with mobility of labour and one day central taxation. They come here..we go there..some of us get in trouble there...some of them get in trouble herePageA

Warrington Wife wrote:
Deport them why should the British tax payer pay for their stay in prison. They do in Australia

Automatically taking back their own crooks should have been made a condition of membership before certain new countries were allowed to shove their snouts into the European Union trough, too late now though, unfortunately.

' shove their snouts in the trough' ...like pigs you mean? Pigs or vermin are common words used by racists and Nazi's when refering to ethinc groups. I hope they have considered joining the EU very carefully and don't have a nation of whingers who moan. Constantly. Some 20 years after the decisions were made. Is it still a surprise to you? It was in all the papers. It's a union of countries with mobility of labour and one day central taxation. They come here..we go there..some of us get in trouble there...some of them get in trouble here

Bit of an over reaction Pagey
I think the people commenting above only want deportation, not the death penalty.

[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Freeborn John[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Warrington Wife[/bold] wrote:
Deport them why should the British tax payer pay for their stay in prison. They do in Australia[/p][/quote]Automatically taking back their own crooks should have been made a condition of membership before certain new countries were allowed to shove their snouts into the European Union trough, too late now though, unfortunately.[/p][/quote]' shove their snouts in the trough' ...like pigs you mean? Pigs or vermin are common words used by racists and Nazi's when refering to ethinc groups. I hope they have considered joining the EU very carefully and don't have a nation of whingers who moan. Constantly. Some 20 years after the decisions were made. Is it still a surprise to you? It was in all the papers. It's a union of countries with mobility of labour and one day central taxation. They come here..we go there..some of us get in trouble there...some of them get in trouble here[/p][/quote]Bit of an over reaction Pagey
I think the people commenting above only want deportation, not the death penalty.muckerman

Warrington Wife wrote:
Deport them why should the British tax payer pay for their stay in prison. They do in Australia

Automatically taking back their own crooks should have been made a condition of membership before certain new countries were allowed to shove their snouts into the European Union trough, too late now though, unfortunately.

' shove their snouts in the trough' ...like pigs you mean? Pigs or vermin are common words used by racists and Nazi's when refering to ethinc groups. I hope they have considered joining the EU very carefully and don't have a nation of whingers who moan. Constantly. Some 20 years after the decisions were made. Is it still a surprise to you? It was in all the papers. It's a union of countries with mobility of labour and one day central taxation. They come here..we go there..some of us get in trouble there...some of them get in trouble here

Bit of an over reaction Pagey
I think the people commenting above only want deportation, not the death penalty.

Not sure if it was mucker but apologies for any offence caused. I was replying to freeborn john not everyone else to be fair. I think we need a grown up conversation but it's hard with all this nonsense. The story is about 4 individuals and a crime, not a nation ( who he likens to pigs) and a crime.

[quote][p][bold]muckerman[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Freeborn John[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Warrington Wife[/bold] wrote:
Deport them why should the British tax payer pay for their stay in prison. They do in Australia[/p][/quote]Automatically taking back their own crooks should have been made a condition of membership before certain new countries were allowed to shove their snouts into the European Union trough, too late now though, unfortunately.[/p][/quote]' shove their snouts in the trough' ...like pigs you mean? Pigs or vermin are common words used by racists and Nazi's when refering to ethinc groups. I hope they have considered joining the EU very carefully and don't have a nation of whingers who moan. Constantly. Some 20 years after the decisions were made. Is it still a surprise to you? It was in all the papers. It's a union of countries with mobility of labour and one day central taxation. They come here..we go there..some of us get in trouble there...some of them get in trouble here[/p][/quote]Bit of an over reaction Pagey
I think the people commenting above only want deportation, not the death penalty.[/p][/quote]Not sure if it was mucker but apologies for any offence caused. I was replying to freeborn john not everyone else to be fair. I think we need a grown up conversation but it's hard with all this nonsense. The story is about 4 individuals and a crime, not a nation ( who he likens to pigs) and a crime.PageA

pagey dude I think we need a grown up conversation but it's hard with all this nonsense.

we cant in this day and age the minute you say
Deport
migrants
imigrants
asylum seekers

any of the above and instantly if you say something negative your a racist
so how can we have a grown up conversation.

have you seen how fast the lib dems labour and conservatives have jumped on ukips policies

yet 6 months ago where terrified to be labeled a racist but now the elections are around the corner they think that a few new rules over benefits and housing is going to make mr joe public vote for them.

Its news media outlets and politicians that plays us off against each other.

Just because people moan about the above subject DOES not make them racist they should have an opinion on how their taxes are spent without being labeled.

pagey dude I think we need a grown up conversation but it's hard with all this nonsense.
we cant in this day and age the minute you say
Deport
migrants
imigrants
asylum seekers
any of the above and instantly if you say something negative your a racist
so how can we have a grown up conversation.
have you seen how fast the lib dems labour and conservatives have jumped on ukips policies
yet 6 months ago where terrified to be labeled a racist but now the elections are around the corner they think that a few new rules over benefits and housing is going to make mr joe public vote for them.
Its news media outlets and politicians that plays us off against each other.
Just because people moan about the above subject DOES not make them racist they should have an opinion on how their taxes are spent without being labeled.fedster

When someone holds up a picture of a convicted criminal and says 'look he's Romanian...this is how Romanians behave...we need to ban Romanians from coming to this country because this is how they behave when they're here...' Can you see that judging a whole ethnic group by the actions of a few is racist? Well that's what's been written here and ukip supporters aren't the only ones who believe you should call a spade a spade.
'Ukip councillor says god sent storms to punish David Cameron for Gay Marriage''...yep I can see every politician in the land lining up behind you bunch of nutters. Very progressive thinking

When someone holds up a picture of a convicted criminal and says 'look he's Romanian...this is how Romanians behave...we need to ban Romanians from coming to this country because this is how they behave when they're here...' Can you see that judging a whole ethnic group by the actions of a few is racist? Well that's what's been written here and ukip supporters aren't the only ones who believe you should call a spade a spade.
'Ukip councillor says god sent storms to punish David Cameron for Gay Marriage''...yep I can see every politician in the land lining up behind you bunch of nutters. Very progressive thinkingPageA

Your problem Fedster is that your frame of reference is set in the 1950s. The world has probably changed more in the past 5 years than it did in the previous 50 and you old boys fear change. You'll get your referendum and no doubt things will go your way...it'll be your grandchildren that suffer as a result of your inability to move forward but I'm confident they'll put it right when you've gone.

Your problem Fedster is that your frame of reference is set in the 1950s. The world has probably changed more in the past 5 years than it did in the previous 50 and you old boys fear change. You'll get your referendum and no doubt things will go your way...it'll be your grandchildren that suffer as a result of your inability to move forward but I'm confident they'll put it right when you've gone.PageA

SickAndTired2 wrote:
I hate to break this to you but no where in this article does it say anything about them being immigrants.

Here's a straw, have a good clutch...

It says they are Lithuanian nations it the article

The article has been edited since I posted that comment.

[quote][p][bold]The Maestro[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Freeborn John[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]SickAndTired2[/bold] wrote:
I hate to break this to you but no where in this article does it say anything about them being immigrants.[/p][/quote]Here's a straw, have a good clutch...[/p][/quote]It says they are Lithuanian nations it the article[/p][/quote]The article has been edited since I posted that comment.SickAndTired2