I am working on both versions. Although you will probably have to give me a bit of time to get them both right. I really don’t believe in doing a rush job. I’d rather take my time and be sure that people get the quality they deserve.

Hmmm, something that would serve well as a stop gap of sorts - converting just the ground tiles of the 'complete' builds - things like the Harbourmaster and the Armoury.

Streets of Mayhem on the other hand would likely benefit from a whole new build, rather than a conversion, and maybe broadening the curves on the railroad tracks at the same time. (Sorry, pet peeve - I very much like SoM, aside from the incredibly tight turnouts.)

The Auld Grump, finished the TLX Skaven sewers and Street build, boxed it up, and sent it out.... Now I'm bored....

ya, i just finished the bookstore. Did some light kitbashing with the base to get it on a 12x12 tlx piece. It doesn't collaspe down like the tlx but it fits in nicely. I'm kinda hoping for a mix of tlx and tlx compatable but traditional items.

Well, since I got my cc330 now and the last posting is a month old... Is there any news of some craft robo conversions? We could read of several people who worked on conversions, stopped or already finished some.

Is there already someplace to get hold of them?

I'd LOOOVE to get (and yes, buy if I must) them, hinterlands for the main part.

P.S.: I know this is the TLX Discussions Forum, but it was the thread (named) the closest to what this is about.

Your web site does a very poor job of distinguishing the TLX system from the others. Now before everyone jumps on me for saying this, I am aware that it says TLX on the cover of the sets that are TLX. What is not readily clear is what that means.

I was very happy to find your product and was drawn to the modern set because there is so little good modern terrain of any kind out there. I tried to understand what everything was before buying, but failed to understand the significance of something being TLX. It wasn't until I had made my purchases and inspected everything that I realized that the free instructions you made available didn't apply to the old stuff. When I looked over everything and finally understood it was kind of obvious which is why I expect some people to jump on this and say its all my fault. It isn't.

At first glance, you are selling a really cool modular system. There is nothing that says **CAUTION** these older sets are not part of the cool system that you want to buy. Now I am stuck with a mix of sets.

And now I find that you are going to convert some sets, but I don't know which ones and when they come out I must repurchase them. It is not that I don't understand what it means to be a small business. I am also a small business owner. But this very much feels like I have been dupped and taken advantage of. I thought I was buying a system that all worked together. In fact I was buying a mismatch of products that do not work well together. Oh well.

Your web site does a very poor job of distinguishing the TLX system from the others. Now before everyone jumps on me for saying this, I am aware that it says TLX on the cover of the sets that are TLX. What is not readily clear is what that means.

I was very happy to find your product and was drawn to the modern set because there is so little good modern terrain of any kind out there. I tried to understand what everything was before buying, but failed to understand the significance of something being TLX. It wasn't until I had made my purchases and inspected everything that I realized that the free instructions you made available didn't apply to the old stuff. When I looked over everything and finally understood it was kind of obvious which is why I expect some people to jump on this and say its all my fault. It isn't.

At first glance, you are selling a really cool modular system. There is nothing that says **CAUTION** these older sets are not part of the cool system that you want to buy. Now I am stuck with a mix of sets.

And now I find that you are going to convert some sets, but I don't know which ones and when they come out I must repurchase them. It is not that I don't understand what it means to be a small business. I am also a small business owner. But this very much feels like I have been dupped and taken advantage of. I thought I was buying a system that all worked together. In fact I was buying a mismatch of products that do not work well together. Oh well.

First of all welcome to the forums Wonderjeep and thank you for your support!

The WorldWorksGames catalog represents nearly a decade of product development and our various terrain systems have continued to evolve throughout that timespan. Defining various product lines in a more digestible format for users who are completely new to our storefront and or the hobby is an ongoing process. You can expect significant changes to occur in this respect with the launch of our new webstore coming online this Spring.

In terms of conversions it needs to be made clear that we are NOT converting all old catalog offerings. There are a few settings which translate well into the TerrainlinX format (with substantial additional work), while other older catalog offerings do the job just fine as they are. Many users prefer the speed of the old style builds and many the flexibility of the TerrainlinX format (which is why we haven't completely transitioned and retired older products yet).

Please feel free to contact custserv@worldworksgames.com if you have further concerns. We want you to be satisfied with your purchases but more importantly we want you to remain an active supporter and contributor here on the forums. We'd be happy to discuss the details of your situation further.

Your web site does a very poor job of distinguishing the TLX system from the others. Now before everyone jumps on me for saying this, I am aware that it says TLX on the cover of the sets that are TLX. What is not readily clear is what that means.

I was very happy to find your product and was drawn to the modern set because there is so little good modern terrain of any kind out there. I tried to understand what everything was before buying, but failed to understand the significance of something being TLX. It wasn't until I had made my purchases and inspected everything that I realized that the free instructions you made available didn't apply to the old stuff. When I looked over everything and finally understood it was kind of obvious which is why I expect some people to jump on this and say its all my fault. It isn't.

At first glance, you are selling a really cool modular system. There is nothing that says **CAUTION** these older sets are not part of the cool system that you want to buy. Now I am stuck with a mix of sets.

And now I find that you are going to convert some sets, but I don't know which ones and when they come out I must repurchase them. It is not that I don't understand what it means to be a small business. I am also a small business owner. But this very much feels like I have been dupped and taken advantage of. I thought I was buying a system that all worked together. In fact I was buying a mismatch of products that do not work well together. Oh well.

Don't feel bad, your not the only one that has done this. As Denny said, they are working on it. Also be sure to email Denny at custserv@worldworksgames.com to talk about your problem. WWG has got the best customer service.

Despite my original comment I still love the product. I am in the process of making two 4x4 downtown urban boards for use with Infinity and Mercs. I am very excited about it. The forum seems to be the key. I have found so much useful info in here. The next step maybe to get a cutter. I am actually a small store owner and am making all of this for the store's terrain collection. Maybe I will post pictures when I am done.

Defining various product lines in a more digestible format for users who are completely new to our storefront and or the hobby is an ongoing process. You can expect significant changes to occur in this respect with the launch of our new webstore coming online this Spring.

That's great.

wonderjeep has raised a good point: that new customers (e.g. those that haven't dug into these forums) may inadvertently buy 'incompatible' sets and feel mislead as a result (whether they attribute this to their own ignorance or to being mislead by the site, the effect is the same: a disgruntled customer).

It will benefit everyone when the WWG store makes the differences, between the various types of sets, clear to new customers.

Moderator posts are in green oraquamarine.My posts are my personal opinion only and do not represent the official view of WorldWorksGames.

First I would like to also welcome you to the boards. It is a great place to get educated in the fine art of paper craft.

I can understand the confusion with the different sets, the old stuff, TLX, and TCP. But, I find it hard to understand the duping part. Even though I started to buy my stuff just as TLX started to become available. All the stuff I initially bought was TLX because it fit together and suited my style, pretty realistic and modular.

Now that I have more or less everything I "need" to assist my fantasy game I have started to buy stuff that is "not compatible". Though it is not compatible, I still find it works together just fine, even without the slots. RPG's are a pretend game and I have no problem pretending it all works together. I even use the old more realistic terrain because I am not so fond of the paper trees and the absolutely flat surfaces of TLX, except TLX does have the cliffs and other pretty 3D stuff.

Hey, it's a game and all of the terrain adds a huge amount of pretend reality to it.

First I would like to also welcome you to the boards. It is a great place to get educated in the fine art of paper craft.

I can understand the confusion with the different sets, the old stuff, TLX, and TCP. But, I find it hard to understand the duping part. Even though I started to buy my stuff just as TLX started to become available. All the stuff I initially bought was TLX because it fit together and suited my style, pretty realistic and modular.

Now that I have more or less everything I "need" to assist my fantasy game I have started to buy stuff that is "not compatible". Though it is not compatible, I still find it works together just fine, even without the slots. RPG's are a pretend game and I have no problem pretending it all works together. I even use the old more realistic terrain because I am not so fond of the paper trees and the absolutely flat surfaces of TLX, except TLX does have the cliffs and other pretty 3D stuff.

Hey, it's a game and all of the terrain adds a huge amount of pretend reality to it.

After reading a large portion of the origional post it occurs to me that I may be on some grey areas if not completely in the wrong. I understand that filesharing between two people is piracy if both don't own the original content. Though I don't understand if that is limited to the internet or extends to the tangible world through usb or other means as well between two friends? And where the line is drawn.

Ill explain my situation and you can tell me if you feel that I am wronging you:

Me and a friend had joined into papercraft terrain years ago. For awhile we used other products from other makers. People joined and left and terrain came and gone. Eventually our group grew to 5 people and stabilized to now with me and the original friend and three others. We shared all the terrain made between us, save for the few special creations. It would not be odd for one to build a piece and it go home with another in the group after a game and another still after the next. This system worked for us well and for years that's how it went.

Eventually the original friend (Micheal) bought several items from your catalogue (Codename Titan and several others). Me and David were impressed and enjoyed the fine detail and complete modularity it offered. The other two in our group revealed that many of our favorite pieces they made were older sets and we eventually amassed a grand collection though buying and digging up old files on the other two computers.

Due to me being the only one with a working printer and with a large quantity of cardstock plus all of our crafting supplies I was elected to be the "Grand Librarian of WWG's Files" and such. The reason such a circumstance happened is we found we had duplication purchases in the group of the same product (which isn't needed as we share all the terrain) plus trying to figure out who has what and then find those files in their rats' nest of files was just a nightmare! Then the only other person who had an actual large quantity of cardstock had theirs turned into a litteral rat's nest (get the pun?) as he had a rat infestation. Tragedy loves company as the last game we played was in Micheal's garage. We all brought all of our terrain and pieces we were working on for a week of Warhammer 40k and our annual Appacolypse game with all our terrain and pieces. The only other two members with printers brought them and encouraged us to bring all our hobby knives, glue, ect. I had two sets, one fpr travel and one for home. Quite often I would bring unfinished terrain with me to games, so I got fed up of forgetting my blades and glue at another member's house and not have anything to work with when I got home, so I bought two. We had a wonderful first few days of gaming despite the storm. Unfortunately Micheals garage was broken into on the fourth night. Our armies were ok, nothing major that a repaint or super glue couldn't fix. But the rain from the storm through the open garage claimed all our paper terrain and one printer, the other being stolen and our crafting supplies destroyed or missing.

Here is where I think I may be outside your policies:

Due to all the above mentioned circumstances I was elected the "Grand Librarian of WWG's Files" What this means is whatever anyone buys or digs up in their files is sent to me to be collected and organized. Though I am not the actual "owner" of the item, I'm in charge of keeping it. We don't spread it to the other members and all have copies of the piece, only me and the original purchaser. This allows us to quickly, easily, and efficiently find what we need and print it up or see what we don't have and allow the others to buy what we decide on in a reliable, consistent organizational setting vs finding out who has what and tracking them down to dig through their files in their different organizational patterns or requesting them to print it up ect. Until the others get their replacement printers and supplies it's all done at my house. The way we look at it is that none of the terrain, or files in this case, are any one persons of the group. It is the group's collectively. Now if they wanted to take their files and leave its ok and they can do that, but what we want to avoid is two people buying the same set when only one needs to and the rest of the money can go to their army's pieces. We got into paper terrain for it's cost effectiveness and allowing us to work on our armies vs choosing one over the other.

If by any way you feel that we are wronging you we will stop and try to figure out how to get the same results in a different manner, or if you have a way you want us to do this differently than how we are then please let me know. Thank you!

I am what goes bump in the night, stirs in the dark, and howls at the stars. What hides under the monster's bed and in the boogie man's closet. I am Drazel: The Red Reaper!

1) Morally: You're buying the sets not pirating, you're storing them centrally for backup/convenience, not for wider use, and (I'm inferring here) only one person is really using them. I think morally, this is ok.

2) Legally: I don't know, it sounds like fair use to me, but IMNAL.

3) Practically: No one's going to come after you even if this is somehow a violation.

Enjoy, and if you want to feel guilty, feel guilty for not posting pictures!

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