(10:01:14 AM) keys2kingdom: Well in Part 2 the Guardians are actually going to be Genre Savvy and just powerful over all

(10:02:20 AM) keys2kingdom: The Starters will reappear during certain fights when the guardians have totally stacked the decks against the groups

(10:03:06 AM) keys2kingdom: These evolved forms are extremely powerful Personas within the series

(10:03:59 AM) keys2kingdom: But they really don't actually fight in battles under the control of players.

(10:05:31 AM) keys2kingdom: I'd like to hear any thoughts you had on what I chose etc.

(10:05:49 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Ah

I think my only concern is when you say based... do you mean like that's the base form or like, say, Seth is a Noivern that takes inspiration from Giratina

(10:06:43 AM) keys2kingdom: Have you seen Seth?

(10:07:14 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Just did

(10:09:08 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Though I'm generally of the opinion of 'if Pokesonae evolve, it should be to something sharing the same form, since that's how the main group's ones work'

(10:11:01 AM) keys2kingdom: The thing is the groups Personas are the odd ones out in that regard

(10:11:33 AM) keys2kingdom: When Personas get stronger it's through Fusion

(10:11:49 AM) keys2kingdom: *When most Personas

(10:12:32 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Yeah, Fusion's weird, but could you call it Fusion rather than Evolution, then?

(10:13:15 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: *I know Fusion is how it usually happens

(10:14:06 AM) keys2kingdom: Technically I was going to refer to these forms as "Advanced Forms" in-universe.

(10:14:32 AM) keys2kingdom: this is so we don't have to go into Fusion IRP

(10:14:47 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: It did kind of happen with Daisoujou already, though

(10:19:31 AM) ***waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow would rather stick with evolvution or make it explicit that these are fusions, still

(10:20:39 AM) keys2kingdom: They are explictly going to be the same starters just in different and exceeding powerful forms

(10:21:20 AM) keys2kingdom: This was the part where Types, abilities, etc had no restrictions

(10:22:36 AM) keys2kingdom: Xuanzang is going to be a Psychic Delta Infernape

(10:23:27 AM) keys2kingdom: Seth is Dark/Dargon rather than Ghost Dragon

(10:24:22 AM) keys2kingdom: There are other examples

(10:25:47 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Fair enough, but I mean this more from the sense of 'This may make sense in the universe we're borrowing it from, but in a Pokemon sense, if you have a Noibat turn into a Dark/Dragon Giratina, you should probably be clear how it happened'

(10:26:36 AM) keys2kingdom: Well it's not going to look exactly like a true Giratina

(10:27:17 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: If it's anything that isn't a Noivern, I mean

(10:27:28 AM) keys2kingdom: Oh

(10:28:57 AM) keys2kingdom: Well I considered Noivern but nothing high-leveled had a design that could be easily swapped out for a bat

(10:29:58 AM) keys2kingdom: Seth was what I came up with but the neck was way too long

(10:30:50 AM) keys2kingdom: So I opted to swap out for a Delta Giratina rather than a Noivern

(10:31:56 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Er, I meant more 'I don't think we should gloss over a mechanic that's at odds with how things normally work in Pokemon'

(10:32:33 AM) keys2kingdom: Regigigas as Atlas was just something that had to be done because the former is based on the later and Atlas' design is similar to Titan's

(10:33:09 AM) keys2kingdom: That's the thing we can gloss over it here.

(10:33:31 AM) keys2kingdom: the group isn't getting into fusions themselves

(10:34:12 AM) keys2kingdom: And the only fusion we've seen is Norn

(10:34:37 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Oh, duh

(10:36:03 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Though, yeah, that was a flub on my part not explaining it. I do think I should offer one since I've done it

(10:37:25 AM) keys2kingdom: Well it already implied that Demons are "Wild Personas". Demons can combined to form new, stronger demons.

(10:38:05 AM) keys2kingdom: So it can be implied that Personas and Pokesonas can do this as well

(10:43:15 AM) keys2kingdom: who, if you recall, is a Staryu-based Pokesona

(10:44:38 AM) keys2kingdom: But if you need an offhanded reference...

(10:45:07 AM) keys2kingdom: If anyone asks the starters are so different...

(10:45:17 AM) keys2kingdom: "Remember Norn?"

(10:45:22 AM) keys2kingdom: "Yeah."

(10:45:33 AM) keys2kingdom: "Same principal."

(10:47:57 AM) keys2kingdom: *ask the Starters why they are so different

(10:48:12 AM) keys2kingdom: *asks the Starters why they are so different

(10:48:17 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Okay, that would work, but thinking about this is making me feel like we've got a bunch of unanswered questions about the nature of these things that, as they exist in the Pokemon world which makes me not sure how to write for stuff

(11:09:31 AM) keys2kingdom: So sometimes it's just better not to ask too many questions because sometimes asking too much ruins enjoyment

(11:12:22 AM) ***waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow will ask if it impacts his writing, generally, but noted. Though, he is kind of fond of overanalysis at times, so

(11:15:11 AM) keys2kingdom: Bellasario's Maxim!

(11:15:54 AM) keys2kingdom: And Measuring The Marigolds

(11:21:59 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Eh, I'll respect that on your end, but as a general rule, I dislike those tropes because it feels like I've gotten called on tropes like those before when some parties are still having fun with it

(11:22:31 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Or at least, I don't like them being used as a general 'overanalysis is bad' thing

(11:23:59 AM) keys2kingdom: I only did enough to make everything work IRP.

(11:25:15 AM) keys2kingdom: Because I never expected this to actually cause a surge of popularity for another arc like this one.

(11:25:38 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Fair enough

(11:26:46 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Personally, I guess I lean toward 'you don't need to have all the answers, but if the question comes up, you should figure out how to answer it' with my stuff

(11:28:10 AM) keys2kingdom: I can't say anything that won't sound like an insult to some degree

(11:28:56 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Sorry, I meant that more as my philosophy on stuff. Didn't mean to rude it wordly

(11:34:30 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: It wouldn't be fair of someone to expect someone to answer absolutely anything about stuff on the spot, especially since, as much as I like details, I sometimes have troubles coming up with them on my end.

(11:35:53 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: And I'm vaguer myself at times too

(11:36:34 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: But, yeah, honestly that statement should apply to me more than anything

(11:36:53 AM) keys2kingdom: I mean I planned an decided a lot of stuff, but I'd never thought I'd have to explain Fusion

(11:37:35 AM) keys2kingdom: because they group wouldn't actually do it themselves

(11:38:19 AM) keys2kingdom: they might see it happen, but not trigger it directly etc

(11:39:11 AM) keys2kingdom: So I left fusion literally "some things combine to make stronger things".

(11:42:50 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Wait, did it get phrased like that in universe and I just forgot? ^_^;

I guess pretty much all I wanted was, if it comes up, a clear explanation that 'this is a natural part of the world' rather than a detailed explanation on what you need toy get what and the fusion forecast and whatever

(11:43:49 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: *natural part of the world and possibly more common than evolution

(11:43:57 AM) keys2kingdom: Fusion NEVER gets explained proplery beyound fuse two or more Personas to make a stronger one.

(11:45:43 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Yeah, wasn't asking you to do that

At most I'd ask how a fusion chain ended up going to try and add characteristics from the persona that fused with each other if I were writing for any of the Starter Persona appearing later

(11:46:39 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: But that's more my headcanon on SMT series fusions than anything