glad i could help. imo, it wouldnt be worth the risk to run test without an AI. its easier to prevent gyno than try to reverse it. you want to control estrogen, not crush it, as someone else mentioned above. im no expert though, this is just my broscience.

OK I know I'm a girl and all but hear me out.
My ex was big into juicing, so of course I heavily researched out of concern.
Not using an AI is absolutely stupid for guys on cycle. Water retention does not mean gains. Instead of starting at the sign of sides, use it from day one. Bouncing estrogen levels in men is unhealthy and can take away from gains.
Saying you don't need one is very naive.

Now. Don't ask me **** about AI and women because I haven't the slightest clue!!!

OK I know I'm a girl and all but hear me out.
My ex was big into juicing, so of course I heavily researched out of concern.
Not using an AI is absolutely stupid for guys on cycle. Water retention does not mean gains. Instead of starting at the sign of sides, use it from day one. Bouncing estrogen levels in men is unhealthy and can take away from gains.
Saying you don't need one is very naive.

Now. Don't ask me **** about AI and women because I haven't the slightest clue!!!

exactly, its easier to prevent estro related sides than attempt to reverse them once they show up.

if your not prone to estrogen and you are running a mild cycle you should be fine, estrogen adds gains through igf-1 production so it does more than just add water/fat

Originally Posted by Dom Tavis

OK I know I'm a girl and all but hear me out.
My ex was big into juicing, so of course I heavily researched out of concern.
Not using an AI is absolutely stupid for guys on cycle. Water retention does not mean gains. Instead of starting at the sign of sides, use it from day one. Bouncing estrogen levels in men is unhealthy and can take away from gains.
Saying you don't need one is very naive.

Now. Don't ask me **** about AI and women because I haven't the slightest clue!!!

Isn't a rebound only an issue with suicidal AIs? If you took it with a SERM and tapered the AI down, I don't see any issues

rebound is less of an issue with suicidal AIs as estrogen is slowly returned back to normal following cessation of the AI as opposed to a sudden (rebound) of estrogen following cessation of a non suicidal AI.

rebound is less of an issue with suicidal AIs as estrogen is slowly returned back to normal following cessation of the AI as opposed to a sudden (rebound) of estrogen following cessation of a non suicidal AI.

This makes sense when you consider steroids like winstrol give strength gains with very little size gains.

What's odd though is how superdrol has effects similar to winstrol (crushes estrogen), yet still gives considerable size gains.

superdrol is di methyl dht, but d/t the methylation, this changes the androgenic properties of the compound, which is lower than winstrol. winstrol acts completely different in the body than superdrol or dht.

superdrol is a weak androgenic, non aromatizing compound, so having high levels of estrogen while using it are to be expected.

agains, because of winstrols make up, and how it acts in the body, it has a completely different effect than superdrol.

I believe the only steroids that would act as a mild to moderate ai would be heavy androgenic componets, steroids like dht, or the active steroid in 5-alpha, masteron injectable has worked great to keep my nipples in check on a gram of test a week and no to very little ai(just a little formeron)

Originally Posted by R1187

Does SD act as an AI when taken with compounds that aromatize?

I always thought suppressed estrogen, or any dry compound for that matter.

Well this stuff is fascinating. I've only done a few designer cycles including SD. Planning to use test in about a month or so. I have never in my life gone on a "cut", have always had trouble gaining weight. 4000 calories/day is my maintenance at tiny 160lbs.

Anyway, I hope my upcoming test cycle will finally net the gains I need to try a cut later on.

I wonder what would happen if you ran injectable masteron and winstrol togther.

Would that get you shredded as hell in the presence of a cutting diet? Like veins popping out?

I love it! Buts its sad to see the reality of how many aas users don't know about serms and AIs. The common aas users I know don't like to come off gear and its like no ****! U don't even know what a pct is..

My question is I'm week one halo/sd for a recomp so only doing the sd at 10mg for 4-6 weeks. I'm wondering if I should use some aromisin I have at 6.75ed? I'm with this girl^ I'd rather prevent than have to combat.. For my case guys I'm looking to drop a couple bf% and maybe gain 7-8 lbs.

ive done oral winny and im mast, **** was dry but i was cut the f up, this has to be done with perfect to nearly perfect diet btw

Originally Posted by R1187

Well this stuff is fascinating. I've only done a few designer cycles including SD. Planning to use test in about a month or so. I have never in my life gone on a "cut", have always had trouble gaining weight. 4000 calories/day is my maintenance at tiny 160lbs.

Anyway, I hope my upcoming test cycle will finally net the gains I need to try a cut later on.

I wonder what would happen if you ran injectable masteron and winstrol togther.

Would that get you shredded as hell in the presence of a cutting diet? Like veins popping out?

How to do you know if you are controlling the estrogen or blocking it entirely? I know symptoms of high estrogen, but not normal-low.

When my estro gets too low, my knees get dry right away. Even lower and my ankle joints hurt as well. It got so low one time, I was walking with a bad limp and had an X-ray on my ankle. I seriously thought it was broken.

Not sure I know of the too high symptoms, but I do have two daughters...and a wife. So I'd say too high means b*tching, yelling, and crying. And no sex drive (actually I have experienced no sex drive when I went away for a few days without my AI)

Is the only question do we need an ai? It also concerns dosing it correctly. I've heard everything on ed e2d e3d I don't think people know how to stabilize their blood levels and this is the main problem.

Is the only question do we need an ai? It also concerns dosing it correctly. I've heard everything on ed e2d e3d I don't think people know how to stabilize their blood levels and this is the main problem.

As I myself don't fully know, I am finding data with trial and error. I inject on Wednesdays and Saturdays. I always take my exemestane the day of inj and sometimes take an erase pro about 2 days later if at all. But I do know my best lifts are the day after inj