That's Not How It Works, SiIlies

The idea that the Pentagon opens up a site on conspiracy and then gets us all to post on it...and then what? They are going to round us all up? At
some point, that will happen anyway. They don't need ATS for that. There is Military/CIA/COINTELPRO infiltration here, just like there is at every
level of society. Of course there is. It does not mean that ATS is a COINTELPRO site. It means that the owners of this site start ATS with whatever
intents they have, probably for the LULZ and not anything too serious, and then COINTELPRO comes around, infiltrates it, sets up ID's just like
anyone else can.

How do Psyops really work? I think that they are multiple pronged. A lot of the control works through the manipulation of genuine and honest
impulses. Spirituality. Sexuality. The urge to do good. The search for truth. All of these can be manipulated and ARE being manipulated. As for
the paranormal and its manipulation, google "Superstition Psyops" and you will see that the military has always used the beliefs of a population for
control. UFO's can be used as covers for genetic experiments. Bigfoot can be used to encourage certain memes among Native Americans and other
targeted populations. Paranormalism can be used toward fascist and anti-semitic ends like in Germany or among some elements here at ATS. Religious
manifestations like the Virgin Mary or "Jesus spoke to me" can be manipulated through government technology to encourage fascist control memes. The
whole Middle East seems manipulated this way to some end, probably war.

I am not saying that none of these phenomena have a *GENUINE* existence. I am saying that there is a degree of cynical manipulation to the use of all
of them even if a genuine phenomenon exists. Perhaps that is why religions East and West warn followers to "test the spirits." If a talking fish
starts on to me about the Messiah and the End Times, my first impulse is to wonder whether or not there has been a set up. It could be a genuine
experience, but I test all spiritual experiences for genuineness and I don't accept contradictions. Moses never spoke to a talking fish. The
Burning Bush was a prelude to a deeper Walk and not an end to itself like lower level paranormal phenomena.

You have to suspect that COINTELPRO, MK-ULTRA, and Superstition Psyops work together to implement control over "dangerous" elements of the
population. That does not mean that ATS itself is COINTELPRO. The most honest internet forum is going to have people under the direct control of the
military or possibly under some sophisticated forms of mind control. That is the world, folks. Deal with it like grownups. I don't know who set up
ATS, nor do I care. The truth wins out in the end. That is the great hope here. I am glad to have a small part in it.

tweet and FB post are saved in the library of congress. so if they save comments about little sally's cherry lip gloss im 100% sure the info on ATS
is far more important that 90% of FB post, and on ATS you dont need to sign up to view the info. you would have to have your head in the sand to not
believe this site is being watched.

I personally find it very difficult to believe that intelligence agencies have large numbers of paid shills on forums. They might have a few, but
they are not going to have many, and those they do have, are generally only going to be targetting people who they've identified as a real cause for
concern. The government simply doesn't have that much manpower, relative to the number of what they consider to be potential threats.

The real problem, as I wrote in a previous thread, is arbitrary skeptics. These are people who basically do the government's job for it, without
needing to be paid or given orders. They do it because they tell themselves that they are more "rational," than other people who are "crackpots,"
or "tinfoil hat wearing paranoids," etc. A lot of the time with their attempted debunking, they believe that they are performing a genuine public
service.

To me the real threat to meaningful discourse on these forums, isn't paid agents from the Central Intelligence Agency or FBI. It's devotees of the
church of Richard Dawkins, who are arrogant, hostile, and have an extremely misguided view of both logic, and real science.

Yes. I've noticed that "Skeptic-Intelpro" authors like Krause and Shermer luimp in conspiracy with New Age or Biblical Literalist forms of
irrationalism. Note how a lot of conspiracy sites then go and play in to that equation, almost making the skeptics' case for them. Note how closely
how both fit with cognitive dissonance.

Genuine skeptics question government. Genuine skeptics don't consider what government sources say as the
"null hypothesis." I think we can push that one further and also say that genuine skeptics part from academic rationalists in that the former do
not consider the received intellectual climate as the "null hypothesis" starting point also. Genuine rationalism is not shill rationalism that
simply takes the received wisdom and makes it a starting point.

Originally posted by petrus4
I personally find it very difficult to believe that intelligence agencies have large numbers of paid shills on forums. They might have a few, but
they are not going to have many, and those they do have, are generally only going to be targetting people who they've identified as a real cause for
concern. The government simply doesn't have that much manpower, relative to the number of what they consider to be potential threats.

The real problem, as I wrote in a previous thread, is arbitrary skeptics. These are people who basically do the government's job for it, without
needing to be paid or given orders. They do it because they tell themselves that they are more "rational," than other people who are "crackpots,"
or "tinfoil hat wearing paranoids," etc. A lot of the time with their attempted debunking, they believe that they are performing a genuine public
service.

To me the real threat to meaningful discourse on these forums, isn't paid agents from the Central Intelligence Agency or FBI. It's devotees of the
church of Richard Dawkins, who are arrogant, hostile, and have an extremely misguided view of both logic, and real science.

Originally posted by EarthEvolves
Yes. I've noticed that "Skeptic-Intelpro" authors like Krause and Shermer luimp in conspiracy with New Age or Biblical Literalist forms of
irrationalism. Note how a lot of conspiracy sites then go and play in to that equation, almost making the skeptics' case for them. Note how closely
how both fit with cognitive dissonance.

Genuine skeptics question government. Genuine skeptics don't consider what government sources say as the
"null hypothesis." I think we can push that one further and also say that genuine skeptics part from academic rationalists in that the former do
not consider the received intellectual climate as the "null hypothesis" starting point also. Genuine rationalism is not shill rationalism that
simply takes the received wisdom and makes it a starting point.

Oh, yes. Academic pseudo-rationalism is always loads of fun. I've seen people on Wikipedia who'd likely reject written instructions on how to wipe
their backsides if they weren't in a peer-reviewed journal. My mental response is, "Die in nuclear fire," literally each and every time.

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