firefly212:Suede head: Ah, American right-wingers and their UN hatred.

Funny, you liked the UN when their troops had to come and rescue your elite rangers in Mogadishu.

We didn't love them when they refused to go in because it was too dangerous.

Also, I'm not right-wing, I support socialized medicine, legalizing pot, taxing cap-gains at the same tax rate as salary income, abolishing the death penalty, and plenty of other left wing causes. Being against pointless oppression and for fairer outcomes and second chances doesn't make me a crazy right winger, it makes me proud to be a liberal. rational

A little more accurate, because these positions are rational conservative positions.

kmmontandon:naughtyrev: Well, let's see how the anti-UN crowd reacts to this one. Could be humorous.

The anti-UN crowd is already a farce, what with believing both that the U.N. is a bunch of powerless letter writers, and at the same time a superpowered shadowy cabal that is conquering America from within.

Hey, they figured that out from reading the markings on the backs of road signs. Show them the respect they deserve.

jafiwam:Why does a pile of spineless farktard dickless washed up leaders from third world shiatholes care what WA and CO do with a minor offense marijuana law?

Don't they have some Baltics to be ineffectual in somewhere or something?

Those 3rd world "leaders" get paid off buy the guys making billions off illegal drugs grown/produced in their countries. It's no wonder they are against people legalizing it and knocking the price down.

You know once we stop putting people in jail for stupid stuff like pot, maybe we'll have more resources to take care of things that actually have an effect on our lives.

I agree with the previous poster about him just keeping his job. These people were raised on drug-war propaganda and now their jobs depend on it. The "If we do this we look like fools." camp is right, except what makes them look like fools is that they continue to double down on the same failed policies that have made the drug war the complete failure that it is. I do not look to them for rational innovative solutions to the worlds problems.

Elandriel:Ambivalence: Why would the UN care if marijuana is legalized?

Undermines anti-drug policies through the majority of member-nations of the UN if the most stringent anti-drug nation, the standard bearer as it were, relaxed its stance pursuant to ballot initiatives. They care because it hits them in the wallet through campaign contributions, grafting and kickbacks. Also because the leading politicians in those nations are ostensibly anti-drug, and as such would have the most to lose if their opponents could gain a foothold through this change in policy.

DeathCipris:How bout....Democracy works and the majority has spoken with a ballot initiative.If this is rolled back, even though I do not live in either Colorado or Washington state, I am done with the US. This country is a lost cause when the paths PUT INTO PLACE TO EFFECT SYSTEM CHANGE are closed. Does anyone else see how serious of a problem this is?

Can you Imagine the herp derp if they tried to make it criminalize it again?

speaking of herp derp....

It began the day after the initiative went though. ITGs called it Trojan horse legislation, where politicians would remove the legalization and keep the blood-level THC clause.

This would be a disaster, but I don't think it will happen. However, if the state is waiting for the Feds to approve this, we're never going to get it into effect. The deadline is supposed to be Dec. 6th for legalization in WA.

Elandriel:Ambivalence: Why would the UN care if marijuana is legalized?

Undermines anti-drug policies through the majority of member-nations of the UN if the most stringent anti-drug nation, the standard bearer as it were, relaxed its stance pursuant to ballot initiatives. They care because it hits them in the wallet through campaign contributions, grafting and kickbacks. Also because the leading politicians in those nations are ostensibly anti-drug, and as such would have the most to lose if their opponents could gain a foothold through this change in policy.

This is my armchair diplomat analysis. Amsterdam need not apply.

It's also casus belli for, well, not war but "intervention". Not very common, though. Frankly when it causes conflict, it's BECAUSE the drug trade IS a material problem. But if there's a drug-based conflict between nations or people, they don't want the US going "it's just drugs, it's your problem but you can't shoot people over it". They want the US leading the international community to back them up with "well, you do what you gotta do".

I am not sure if I am part of the Anti-UN crowd. I never really paid much attention to them as they seem like a toothless blowhard, who's only real mandate in contemporary times is to appoint a Chief from a third world nation in an effort to say "Look, even those small nations, that are only good for cheap labor and resource exploitation, can have a seat at the big boy table too!"

/ How many third world nations have a permanent voting seat on the Security Council? That's right...its none.

phunkey_monkey:DeathCipris: How bout....Democracy works and the majority has spoken with a ballot initiative.If this is rolled back, even though I do not live in either Colorado or Washington state, I am done with the US. This country is a lost cause when the paths PUT INTO PLACE TO EFFECT SYSTEM CHANGE are closed. Does anyone else see how serious of a problem this is?

The people of California spoke when we passed Prop. 8.

/Waits for the hypocrisy fly out of stink holes.

Just another waste of taxpayer money trying to enforce useless laws at a federal level. However, the decision was never reversed in CA. Just the Fed decided it wanted to enforce its version of the law in a state where the majority voted to make it legal for medical usage.

Weaver95:muck4doo: Weaver95: naughtyrev: Well, let's see how the anti-UN crowd reacts to this one. Could be humorous.

came here to mention this.

Are you Pro-U.N. now?

no, i'm merely in favor of watching the anti-UN conspiracy theorists go nuts as they're forced to agree with the United Nations.

It presents itself as a perfect storm of irony. Anti-UN versus anti-pot.

But in any case, like I said above, this is just another drug warrior fighting to keep his job and his budget. Asking him if pot should be kept illegal is like asking a junkie if he'd like free heroin.

Oh please, Prop 8 was unconstitutional BS.There are some things you don't get to take a vote on, and civil rights is one of them.The legality or illegality of various drugs is not a constitutional issue.

This is THE MOST AWESOME troll in history - we also have a "protect States Rights" bill coming up to defend the states' MJ laws. In order to stand against pot legalization, conservative dickwads will have to bow to both the UN and Obama...heads will be asplodin' in D.C. for sure....

I believe it was the presidents of Mexico, Costa Rica and Guatemala who'd asked the UN to admonishthe USA for the legalization of MJ in two states. The concern stems from the fear legal farms in the USwould cut the profit margins of their black market enterprises.

muck4doo:I'm in favor of watching the usual U.N. fans flip on the U.N. over this.

Since when does thinking an organization has worthy goals mean that you must agree with them on everything?It isn't hypocritical to simultaneously approve of the U.N. as an organization and yet disagree with some of the things they do.