Colin Kaepernick-discuss

this is a discussion within the NFL Community Forum; Originally Posted by OldMaid
... The US flag to me represents all of the men and women , White and Black, Other , who fought and died since 1776 to now, to make this country of freedoms that we all ...

... The US flag to me represents all of the men and women , White and Black, Other , who fought and died since 1776 to now, to make this country of freedoms that we all have. To disrespect the country's flag is to not honor all those people who fought and died for you to have the freedom and life here that you can have in this country. The words are important. It is an important, unitfying symbol of the U.S.A.
I say the pledge to the US flag and to the state of Texas everyday. Work related.
The US flag and the pledge unites people. It is a common link. The USA is not perfect. Where is it perfect? * I’ll get to that later.

Really, ColinK is contradicting himself. What he is doing is , is due to having those freedoms.
He is very confused. Troubled. ... he needs to accept himself and be thankful for all he has...He needs to STFU too and stand up and salute this country and the people who fought then and now for him to have all these freedoms...
Do you ever notice that the people against the police are the ones who need the police? ...
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I am Black American, female , and Catholic. I am a big proponent of the Back to Africa Movement and the Back to Europe Movement and Back to whatever you come from or say you to come from or want to move to movement. Please go. Go live where it is better for you. The USA is not for you and the flag and anthem bothers you, go....
THE USA. I ‘m good. I am going to stay right here.....

Where is the outrage on the black on black crime that has killed more than most wars?

You are apart of the problem.

If you are willing to answer any of my questions or use data/stats to support your debate thereby forming thoughtful solutions to the problem, great I'll continue to banter with you. However you seem incapable, or more likely unwilling to, support any position or state real policy driven solutions. So, until then, good night and good luck.

THEYRE OUTRAGE, AND MANY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT BLACK ON BLACK CRIME, I AM ALSO ENRAGED ABOUT BLACK ON BLACK CRIME BUT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON ONE SUBJECT AT A TIME OR THE SUBJECT AT HAND WILL BE LOST.

I CAN SAY YOURE APART OF THE PROBLEM AS WELL. YOU ALSO TRY TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT

YOU DONT NEED STATICS WHEN YOU CAN SEE AND HEAR THE PROBLEMS BUT IF YOU NEED STATICS Police killed more than 100 unarmed black people in 2015 YOU CLOSE YOUR EYES THAT DONT MEAN ITS GOING TO GO AWAY. GOODNIGHT, PRAY FOR YOUR ENLIGHTMENT ON THIS MATTER AND RESOLUTION CAN COME SO WE AS NATION CAN GROW

Here are five key statistics you need to know about cops killing blacks.

1. Cops killed nearly twice as many whites as blacks in 2015. According to data compiled by The Washington Post, 50 percent of the victims of fatal police shootings were white, while 26 percent were black. The majority of these victims had a gun or "were armed or otherwise threatening the officer with potentially lethal force," according to Mac Donald in a speech at Hillsdale College.

Some may argue that these statistics are evidence of racist treatment toward blacks, since whites consist of 62 percent of the population and blacks make up 13 percent of the population. But as Mac Donald writes in The Wall Street Journal, 2009 statistics from the Bureau of Justice Statistics reveal that blacks were charged with 62 percent of robberies, 57 percent of murders and 45 percent of assaults in the 75 biggest counties in the country, despite only comprising roughly 15 percent of the population in these counties.

"Such a concentration of criminal violence in minority communities means that officers will be disproportionately confronting armed and often resisting suspects in those communities, raising officers’ own risk of using lethal force," writes MacDonald.

MacDonald also pointed out in her Hillsdale speech that blacks "commit 75 percent of all shootings, 70 percent of all robberies, and 66 percent of all violent crime" in New York City, even though they consist of 23 percent of the city's population.

"The black violent crime rate would actually predict that more than 26 percent of police victims would be black," MacDonald said. "Officer use of force will occur where the police interact most often with violent criminals, armed suspects, and those resisting arrest, and that is in black neighborhoods."

2. More whites and Hispanics die from police homicides than blacks. According to Mac Donald, 12 percent of white and Hispanic homicide deaths were due to police officers, while only four percent of black homicide deaths were the result of police officers.

"If we’re going to have a 'Lives Matter' anti-police movement, it would be more appropriately named "White and Hispanic Lives Matter,'" said Mac Donald in her Hillsdale speech.

3. The Post's data does show that unarmed black men are more likely to die by the gun of a cop than an unarmed white man...but this does not tell the whole story. In August 2015, the ratio was seven-to-one of unarmed black men dying from police gunshots compared to unarmed white men; the ratio was six-to-one by the end of 2015. But Mac Donald points out in The Marshall Project that looking at the details of the actual incidents that occurred paints a different picture:

The “unarmed” label is literally accurate, but it frequently fails to convey highly-charged policing situations. In a number of cases, if the victim ended up being unarmed, it was certainly not for lack of trying. At least five black victims had reportedly tried to grab the officer’s gun, or had been beating the cop with his own equipment. Some were shot from an accidental discharge triggered by their own assault on the officer. And two individuals included in the Post’s “unarmed black victims” category were struck by stray bullets aimed at someone else in justified cop shootings. If the victims were not the intended targets, then racism could have played no role in their deaths.

In one of those unintended cases, an undercover cop from the New York Police Department was conducting a gun sting in Mount Vernon, just north of New York City. One of the gun traffickers jumped into the cop’s car, stuck a pistol to his head, grabbed $2,400 and fled. The officer gave chase and opened fire after the thief again pointed his gun at him. Two of the officer’s bullets accidentally hit a 61-year-old bystander, killing him. That older man happened to be black, but his race had nothing to do with his tragic death. In the other collateral damage case, Virginia Beach, Virginia, officers approached a car parked at a convenience store that had a homicide suspect in the passenger seat. The suspect opened fire, sending a bullet through an officer’s shirt. The cops returned fire, killing their assailant as well as a woman in the driver’s seat. That woman entered the Post’s database without qualification as an “unarmed black victim” of police fire.

Mac Donald examines a number of other instances, including unarmed black men in San Diego, CA and Prince George's County, MD attempting to reach for a gun in a police officer's holster. In the San Diego case, the unarmed black man actually "jumped the officer" and assaulted him, and the cop shot the man since he was "fearing for his life." MacDonald also notes that there was an instance in 2015 where "three officers were killed with their own guns, which the suspects had wrestled from them."

4. Black and Hispanic police officers are more likely to fire a gun at blacks than white officers. This is according to a Department of Justice report in 2015 about the Philadelphia Police Department, and is further confirmed that by a study conducted University of Pennsylvania criminologist Greg Ridgeway in 2015 that determined black cops were 3.3 times more likely to fire a gun than other cops at a crime scene.

5. Blacks are more likely to kill cops than be killed by cops. This is according to FBI data, which also found that 40 percent of cop killers are black. According to Mac Donald, the police officer is 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black than a cop killing an unarmed black person.

Despite the facts, the anti-police rhetoric of Black Lives Matter and their leftist sympathizers have resulted in what Mac Donald calls the "Ferguson Effect," as murders have spiked by 17 percent among the 50 biggest cities in the U.S. as a result of cops being more reluctant to police neighborhoods out of fear of being labeled as racists. Additionally, there have been over twice as many cops victimized by fatal shootings in the first three months of 2016.

If he was to say Obama was a great president ALL of you conservatives will treat him like he had the plague, laughing so hard that you quick to listen to RHETORIC instead of doing your own homework. Hey, that's your RIGHT. Makes me wonder why AARON BANDLER'S followers even watch football. Don't they know 68% African-American play in the NFL

Police killed at least 102 unarmed black people in 2015, nearly twice each week. (See which police departments were responsible for these deaths)

•Nearly 1 in 3 black people killed by police in 2015 were identified as unarmed, though the actual number is likely higher due to underreporting

•37% of unarmed people killed by police were black in 2015 despite black people being only 13% of the U.S. population

•Unarmed black people were killed at 5x the rate of unarmed whites in 2015

•Only 10 of the 102 cases in 2015 where an unarmed black person was killed by police resulted in officer(s) being charged with a crime, and only 2 of these deaths (Matthew Ajibade and Eric Harris) resulted in convictions of officers involved. Only 1 of 2 officers convicted for their involvement in Matthew Ajibade's death received jail time. He was sentenced to 1 year in jail and allowed to serve this time exclusively on weekends. Deputy Bates, who killed Eric Harris, will be sentenced May 31.

If he was to say Obama was a great president ALL of you conservatives will treat him like he had the plague, laughing so hard that you quick to listen to RHETORIC instead of doing your own homework. Hey, that's your RIGHT. Makes me wonder why AARON BANDLER'S followers even watch football. Don't they know 68% African-American play in the NFL

Las Vegas, NV: The U.S. Marshals were conducting surveillance on the man and requested help from Metro when he fled. When police caught up with him, they claimed he had an "unknown object" in his hand. Assuming it was a gun, they shot him dead. The object turned out to be a cellphone.

If he was to say Obama was a great president ALL of you conservatives will treat him like he had the plague, laughing so hard that you quick to listen to RHETORIC instead of doing your own homework. Hey, that's your RIGHT. Makes me wonder why AARON BANDLER'S followers even watch football. Don't they know 68% African-American play in the NFL

Walter Scott
Portrait photo of Walter Scott in U.S. Coast Guard uniform with an American flag partially visible in the background.
Scott during his service in the U.S. Coast Guard in the mid-1980s
Walter Lamar Scott (February 9, 1965 – April 4, 2015),[2] a 50-year-old black man, was a forklift operator, studying massage therapy. Scott previously served two years in the U.S. Coast Guard before being given a general discharge in 1986 for a drug-related incident.

Scott’s police record listed ten arrests: for contempt of court regarding failure to pay child support or to appear for court hearings; he was arrested in 1987 on an assault and battery charge and convicted in 1991 for possession of a bludgeon.

Had a warrent for his arrest, and reached for the officers Taser. Another bright guy with with a bright future,lol.

If he was to say Obama was a great president ALL of you conservatives will treat him like he had the plague, laughing so hard that you quick to listen to RHETORIC instead of doing your own homework. Hey, that's your RIGHT. Makes me wonder why AARON BANDLER'S followers even watch football. Don't they know 68% African-American play in the NFL

Walter Scott
Portrait photo of Walter Scott in U.S. Coast Guard uniform with an American flag partially visible in the background.
Scott during his service in the U.S. Coast Guard in the mid-1980s
Walter Lamar Scott (February 9, 1965 – April 4, 2015),[2] a 50-year-old black man, was a forklift operator, studying massage therapy. Scott previously served two years in the U.S. Coast Guard before being given a general discharge in 1986 for a drug-related incident.

Scott’s police record listed ten arrests: for contempt of court regarding failure to pay child support or to appear for court hearings; he was arrested in 1987 on an assault and battery charge and convicted in 1991 for possession of a bludgeon.

Had a warrent for his arrest, and reached for the officers Taser. Another bright guy with with a bright future,lol.
Your just a Racist with a single track mind that leads nowhere and solves nothing.
Like Rodney King, this is your shining example of the black community ? This is your victim ?
When you start not looking at black and white race and start wondering why he was in that park and like an adolescent kid put the officer in the position where he had to make a decission grabbing for his weapon and running off like a complete idiot, putting himself in danger because his history shows hes a moron, then text when your not just part of the problem. Its Called bad parenting, 12.8% doing 50% of the crime, and a break down of a community. This is a 50 year old acting like a 15 year old which is typical.
In my opinion every officer has the right to shoot with lethal force any person that reached for their weapon.