DamnYankees:True, but Vinick was. There was talk at the time that Vinick might win, the The West Wing would then go on as essentially a spin-off of itself, with an entirely new group of people in the White House.

Which would've been awesome.

I think that was the intention, actually. John Wells (the producer and showrunner) said that Vinick was going to win the election, and then John Spencer (Leo) died suddenly. They figured it was too harsh to have Leo die, *and* have Santos lose the election, so they changed it.

But a Vinick version of TWW would've been really interesting. I'm not a fan of Alan Alda, but Vinick was a great character. One of the very few non-main-cast members that was interesting. The others being Bruno and Oliver.

Smell the Glove:Shadowknight: Am I the only one that can clearly hear that Will Smith said "Earth" and not "Erf?" Why does everyone insist he ebonics it up?

So I quoted the "welcome to Errf" line for some reason to my wife and she asked me what it was from. And I'm like, "what is it from?!" So I queue up the YouTube clip from that scene from the movie. I'm all...wait for it...wait for it... then the line, "Welcome to EARTH!"

Subby got my hopes up that this was actually some kind of sequel to ID4. 16 years later and the same president benevolent dictator runs what we've managed to put together of the post apocalyptic remains of our planet, but one man (cyborg jack bauer) continues to fight for freedom.

GAT_00:Of course it can't escape The West Wing, it's going to take probably a couple of decades for any show set in the White House to escape The West Wing. It was too phenomenal of a show for the comparisons to stop.

In the end, both parts have been done, so it is bad derivative at best and network shiat at worst.YAWNIt will be canceled quick enough. Why would anyone let it run a few years to get its legs unless it is DIRT cheap??

Gig103:Based on the previews I saw, I figured the oldest kid would be the downfall of the show since even in a 30 or 60 second clip you can tell he's trying too hard to be Jonah Hill or Chris Farley... And if the previews are his best lines, then he doesn't have the writers backing him that those other two had, either.

He's basically playing the exact same character on the show that he did in Book of Mormon--well intentioned dumbass who unwittingly causes problems and then fixes them by being so gosh darned good natured and finding a solution through his simple outlook. It's what they hired him to do. He's a Gilligan.