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you may one to address this to the likes of Erik Holland who created the site www.femininebeauty.info throughout which he repeatedly tries to convince people that square jawed women are masculinized and are inappropriately representated as eye candy for life time exclusive heterosexual men. Just read his site and see what he is all about. Its quite interesting.

I know his site very well and often visit it.
I will not start to argue with him, because I know we will not be able to convince each other.

By the way, he is trying to convince. I'm not trying to convince anyone.
My site reflects my personal taste, which happen to be the taste of many other men, and I DON'T care for a second what some people might think about it.

I'm genuine hetero, and I just love beautiful square jawed women. Beautiful square jawed women are a perpetual enjoyment for me, they are gifts for my senses and aesthetic perception, and my site is a tribute to these women, period.

Im glad you are secure man and have respect and appreciation for other people's views and though you have your own personal taste you accept that beautiful women come in many forms. Your site, doesn't necessitate convincing. Its obvious what look or types of looks in women are appreciated on a large scale especially when they are so well represented in the higher ranks (royalty) and in the entertainment and modeling industry.

I was just really shocked when I read some of what is on his site. He takes any given man's personal taste and uses it as a way to "measure" his sexual orientation on a scale of "life-time exclusive homosexual" to "lifetime exclusive heterosexual" and uses the most random statistics and scientific studies that anyone can find anywhere to support his pre-existing biases towards all that doesn't fall into his own narrow definition of what is normal.

Erik Holland comes up with some ridiculous inferences that these women with what he assumes to be increasingly high levels of testosterone become successful among heterosexual men because they are more likely to sleep around to make it to the top. I initally commented on his site that there is a lot of sociological/psychological aspects other than biological inclinations behind what some people find attractive and he took everything that I said way out of proportion and decided to go on his own tangent.

Does the woman look masculine to you? I have her in the attractive women section of my site, and am a great fan of hers. Just because you are a non-feminine woman with a square jaw doesn’t mean that my argument is that square jaws are unfeminine, period.

I don’t place people on a sexual orientation scale based on their preferences unless a difference in sexual orientation is a reasonable inference and I need to point it out.

I didn’t say that masculinized men are popular among heterosexual men because they are more likely to sleep their way to the top. You are mixing separate issues. Slight masculinization in women is a correlate of their sexiness to heterosexual men, and the women who sleep their way to the top are more likely to be masculinized; two separate issues.

Ron: You don’t have to convince me. I don’t have a problem with your site. Faces come in a variety of shapes – round, square, oval, diamond, triangular, etc. – and many factors apart from sex hormones shape the face. So one cannot look at a basic shape like square and say that it is masculinized.

If I come across pictures of attractive square-jawed women, I will pass them on to you if I remember/have the time. They will help you improve your site. The contrast you have shown above isn’t very helpful because the narrow-faced woman has a deformed jaw.

Does the woman look masculine to you? I have her in the attractive women section of my site, and am a great fan of hers. Just because you are a non-feminine woman with a square jaw doesn’t mean that my argument is that square jaws are unfeminine, period.

I don’t place people on a sexual orientation scale based on their preferences unless a difference in sexual orientation is a reasonable inference and I need to point it out, and I don't believe in a continuous sexual orientation scale to start with.

I didn’t say that masculinized men are popular among heterosexual men because they are more likely to sleep their way to the top. You are mixing separate issues. Slight masculinization in women is a correlate of their sexiness to heterosexual men, and the women who sleep their way to the top are more likely to be masculinized; two separate issues.

Ron: You don’t have to convince me. I don’t have a problem with your site. Faces come in a variety of shapes – round, square, oval, diamond, triangular, etc. – and many factors apart from sex hormones shape the face. So one cannot look at a basic shape like square and say that it is masculinized.

If I come across pictures of attractive square-jawed women, I will pass them on to you if I remember/have the time. They will help you improve your site. The contrast you have shown above isn’t very helpful because the narrow-faced woman has a deformed jaw.

Actually no. I am not sure what you mean about distortion. I just happen to be one of many people who has viewed your femininebeauty site and found some aspects of it disagreeable and was simply making what I personally thought was a plausible suggestion to Ron. I visit this site almost everyday and I do enjoy coming here very much to see if there is anything new. So thanks for your input because lately no one has been posting here. If my perception of your arguments is wrong, then I thank you for your clarification. After all, whoever I am, feminine or not, square jawed or not, I am just one of millions of people who is a visitor to the internet. You need not be concerned about what I think or say. You should just continue what you are doing because ultimately the fruits of your labors will speak for themselves. Nothing that I can say can distort what is obvious.

The woman in those links is good looking too and has a very nice bone structure. I am glad to know that you also accept different forms of beauty.

As for me, I had posted my picture on this site before and had removed it for fear of it being subjected to abuse if it remained too long. I posted my picture believing that the maker of this site would find it agreeable and I am happy that he at least expressed appreciation for the way I look and I too appreciate the fact that he has made this site. I have nothing against the way the women in your attractive women seciton look though I may or may not find some of them particularly beautiful. Actually I don't really remember much of what I saw when I looked at them and I never held anything against your particular preference.

In general, I simply hold the view that beauty comes in many forms and everyone is entitled to their own preference and should not be made to feel bad for doing so. This viewpoint is evident in several of my postings on this site if you care to read them. This is why I admire the fact that Ron has dedicated a site to this one facial feauture that some women have and is educating people about it.

As far as the woman with the allegedly deformed jaw is concerned, I have a hunch that you may be making a mistake. There are many women with a similar jaw structure. In the absence of good bone structure, facial tissue begins to sag and to droop as women lose an adequate amount of muscle and facial fat when they age. The advantage of having a square jaw and a hard facial bone structure at an older age versus having a small jaw is that it allows the face to appear intact. Square jawed women and especially those with prominent cheekbones appear sophisticated at an older age rather than broken down or deteriorated.

I am not sure but I believe the narrow faced woman is the same person on this page: http://www.womenlargejaw.com/square-jaw-theory who is presented as the "small jaw-frontal" example to the far left above the square jawed examples where she has bleached hair and is wearing blue contact lenses. The picture here is airbrushed and she does also appear younger where it is obvious that she is far from deformed. Again I don't know for sure, but look at the face and see for yourself.

Maybe it's right of Erik, myself I do not find spcial thing in square jaw people but in the same time I don't mind if some women have square jaw, board shoulders or she'd be very feminine weak jaw. to say she is pretty or not. there's no science theory for me, it just depending on they looks good on her own way. but I also do not mind some males with hyper spect like Erik. his websit is not only states squarejaw is unfeminine and underdeveloped, but also about board shoulders, hook nose etc...

P.S what on feminine beauty is the science of fact but beauty is laid in the eyes of beholder.

I am sure those who have read through his site are well aware of all of the issues that he raises regarding femininity and all of the different features that women have.

The administrator certainly has every right to elaborate on whatever subject he believes is important, but the credibility of his statements and views will be critiqued by people who will judge bits and pieces of what he presents at face value. He uses examples of 3 different women to show how Tara Conner is not an appropriate candidate for beauty pageants by demonstrating how the 3 other women are somehow more feminine and attractive even though the more feminine examples are not the best candidates for beauty pageants by his own admission. Judging the pictures, I, for one, did not agree and many others do not either. People are going to have differing views.

It is alright to not take a special interest in square jaws. Not everyone should either because not everyone is square jawed. There is a lot of variation in the world and it is a good thing that people like different things so no one is left out. Everyone has something to offer in terms of looks, personality, and many other things. More power to you in liking whatever it is that you like. This site is designed to address the issue of square jawed females and to educate the public about square jawed females. That is all.

This is a terrible comparison.
Woman on the left:
Nose is too long and doesn't have a good shape. The left & right side on the bottom is shorter than the middle part (looks incomplete).
Lips are very plain.
Skin is drooping.
Eye brows are too low (more like men's eyebrow)
Eye socket seems to be deeper (again more masculine)
She has cheek bones, but its going straight up & down.

Woman on the right:
Nose is perfect length for her face.
Lips are pouting, wheather intentionally (probably) or not, it has better overall width & shape & fullness.
Eye brows are trim to match the eye shape.
Eye socket is not too deep, look more feminine.
Better overall face shape, but I'll agree that stronger jaw and cheekbones helped because unlike woman on the left, wider jaw width and cheekbones make the overall face shape more even.

You'll need to find a picture of "average-width" jaw on a woman to see if strong jaw is actually more desirable. The woman on the left look like a horse or, face shape is too long.