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Sunday, February 5, 2017

Extraditions are complicated

Translated by Otis B Fly-Wheel for Borderland Beat from a Zetatijuana article

Subject matter: Extradition of top capos of all cartelsRecommendation: No prior subject matter knowledge required

The extraditibles

Reporter: Luis Carlos SainzBefore an uncertain political collaboration against crime, extraditions could be bogged down between Mexico and the United States. More than 60 narco traffickers and some foreigners are in prison awaiting this process. Before a tightening of security, trade, migration and diplomatic measures from the USA, Mexico has an ace up its sleeve, ensures the Spanish researcher Jesus Perez Caballero. Z-40, La Tuta, El Viceroy, El Cuini, and fugitives like Rafael Caro Quintero, El Mencho, El Azul, and El Mayo Zambada are currency.

Before Joaquin El Chapo Guzman, Mexico delivered in extradition 86 alleged criminals to the United States in a matter of nine months. In exchange the American Government delivered to our country seven, in the same manner to be processed. Now the panorama in materials of extradition appears uncertain, when there are more than seventy alleged narco traffickers waiting to be sent to the American Union.

The delivery of the ex leader of the Sinaloa cartel during these last days of the administration of Barack Obama as president of the United States could have been the last friendly extradition between these two countries, one can hear the voices of analysts about this subject, into which type of leader Donald Trump will convert into.

The primary messages emitted by the magnate have advertised that the bilateral relations will be very turbulent. In the opinion of the Spanish academic investigator, raised in Mexico, Jesus Perez Caballero, the Trump administration have declared war on narco traffickers and the most violent acts committed by Mexican narco trafficking groups, to obtain a political debt, economic or migratory, to press Mexico for the adoption of a submissive role in the politics of the new Republican Government.

America is the main commercial partner of Mexico, also in matters of justice, are the nation with which Mexico has a greater exchange of criminal fugitives, as during the period from 1st of September 2015 to the 30th of June of 2016, when 90 prisoners, four women and 86 men were extradited from Mexico, 86 of them to the USA, according to information of the PGR.

Interviewed by Zeta, Perez Caballero emphasized that during the eight years of the administration of Obama there had been a continuity in the treaty, the treaty with Felipe Calderon, like that with Enrique Pena Nieto, and inclusive of the defeated candidate Hillary Clinton, showed an understanding of the manner in which the two nations share their problems, which will not continue with Trump.

The extradition of El Chapo Guzman, has been symbolic of the fight against the narco traffickers inside of the shared narrative of Mexico and the United States, just in this political moment, before Trump was invested, Mexico made this gesture towards the Obama administration, said the doctor of International Security and post doctoral grant holder of the Institute of Social Research of the Autonomous University of Mexico.

"It is clear that the Mexican government didn't want to show any hostility before Trump, in all, just in this moment this acted as a hinge, to the outgoing administration. From my point of view this can be interpreted, in the absence of more data, as a political maneuver that shows both a recognition to the outgoing administration as an opening to continue collaborating with the incoming administration", says the researcher.

Perez Caballero estimates that the delivery of Guzman Loera doesn't have to be an especially critical question, to the extent that the rights of Chapo were not violated, which had become a problematic subject by their leaks, and the possibility of activating cores of corruption that allowed him to have differential treatment in prison. Although he admits that the pace of justice was adapted tot he pace of the Mexican Executive so the extradition was possible for the date it was carried out.

About the future of extraditions of capos, concludes that the procedure and execution , the Iberian expert showed that in the topic, there have always been not only legal but political nuances, understood as a series of actions to show, to send a message to a country to which it extradites and also its institutions, to the citizenship or to the possible individuals to be extradited.

How can we understand this perspective on the possible future extraditions of high ranking narco traffickers ? Well, its going to depend on the message that it wants to give to the United States. Its going to depend on if the Trump administrations pressure, for example, to extradite certain persons. Its also going to depend on if these captured individuals can be utilized by the Mexican Government, expressed Dr Perez.

In his interview he clarified that the extraditions also will guide the criteria of public opinion and its not the same scrutiny that the citizenry of the media can make, in the case like of El Chapo Guzman, that every time he appears in the media, by the very nature of his media figure subjectively, that the other high ranking narco traffickers do not have this high media profile. It will have to be seen how it utilizes extraditions, if one wants to gain visibility, if one wants to send a message to the citizenry, if one wants to send a message of strength, et-cetera.

The postures

Donald Trump already has given a message of the immediate changes in his political relations, commercial, migratory and of security with the other countries of the world, among them Mexico, with its shared territories, and for that, "its probable that Trump will be less tolerant to action of a self regulation more inclined to drug trafficking.

The action of legalization, for example, its probable that Trump will be reactive, its probable also he will also implement a political hard hand towards Mexico. Its likely that any act that is perceived in the border areas between Mexico and the USA will be praised and will serve to keep the pressure on Mexico, stresses Jesus Perez Caballero.

"We are going to see how this plays out in its relation to Mexican narco traffickers or organized crime groups; how they can, is it better, with propaganda actions, to plan violent actions against the interests of the USA or the frontier. It could make the relationship more tense.

It is clear that before, let us say, elephant, to use a metaphor, as is Trump, who reacts to any act, it is very easy for the "wasps" of organized crime to bother him, they could create and action - reaction with consequences that for the time being we cannot for see.

Vincente Carrillo Fuentes

The investigator points out that it is likely that the USA will make its strategy more punitive, like the construction of the wall, or that it will imply that the cost in human rights will continue in "assisted breathing", that means the strategy of militarization.

For his part, the Mexican authorities wont implement profound actions of reform, and follow current strategy of narco counter insurgency.

Extraditions will continue to be used to send messages, for both the USA and Mexico, the proper Mexican society, as for the subject of extradition, " but I do not think there is, today, a policy of systematic delivery of high ranking drug traffickers to the USA administration, mostly because of explicit policy.

Mexico would lose its "ace up the sleeve", it would lose the possibility of to extradite or not. that is to say, also extraditions are a low policy that can be placed on the table in a volatile environment.

Narcos awaiting extradition

In addition to the narcos delivered in extradition, through the Secretary of Exterior Relations, in nine months between 2015 and 2016, Mexico transferred 17 foreigners sentenced in Mexico to their places of origin to finish their sentences given out in Mexican courts, in exchange, twenty four persons were transferred to Mexico for the fulfillment of their sentences, in accordance with the treaty of execution of criminal sentences.

On Mexican soil, in Federal prisons, the majority in the maximum security prison Altiplano, one can find fifty alleged narco traffickers of high profile that are claimed for extradition by USA, even though in not all cases have the USA effected formal petitions. Together with the capos still at liberty, the list represents seventy persons, many of them known through forms of media.

49 comments:

How in the hell can some drug lord like a mayo be in the game more than 30 years never been in prison but they have a pic of him? Now you have to a bad mother f. To last all those years my total respect to that man from Bosnia? Anybody know what state he is from in mexico?

He may have loads of money, but do any of these losers actually get to enjoy it?

It's not like they can travel the Earth and eat at nice restaurants. Rather they are tucked away in some dirt poor village in the mountains. A modest middle class living is preferable to massive wealth that is unable to be used.

@10:30El mayo has been paying his monthly fee to the Mexican goverment not one day late & no excuses. His influence within the government is enormous, who would want to put away a man that has put so many kids tru college in the uk thanks to the currupt perents

Garcia abrego is the baddest of em all. He didn't snitch and he threw 20 years at supermanHe was transferred out to serve the remaining years of his 9 life sentences. They took him alive, he was no coward and especially not a rat.

13:53i mean with all his money he can have anything brought to him up in the mountains but this guy actually is a farmer he said in a interview the mountains the water is my house plus he is retired he said if theres a good business in the usa ill take this man ain't like other capos who want to live like rich people

Sinaloa is the most popular because they are not humble always bragging how much they traffic they are loud gente corriente mal educados. There are narcos not even mentioned on here that have more power because they dont like the spotlight. Mayo works for the government all his kids are canarios here in the U.S FACT Sinaloa is a Joey Zasa character from the Godfather III pura verdad

Extradition is only complicated when the Mexican government is in their pockets (Narcos). Where Mexican government officials protect there whereabouts and arrest. All these laws ( Mexico) which in my opinion have made it virtually impossible for prosecutoins to stick.

Totally agree with you. Mexico needs a Strong Hand in rule of law than lawlessness. An individual who can make Mexico a respectable and powerful country. Where it's constituents (citizens) are represented and not mangled over.

2:29 strenght, economic independence, power, for mexico, through a "strong hand", is one pinchi mariguanada...The US loves "strong hands" to keep the rabble down and productive, what you think all the banana republic juntas leaders have been since the independence wars all over LatinAmerica were consummated? The America for the Americans agenda has never contemplated any freedoms or progress for anybody, not even for the NorthAmerican people, unless it will help business, which is "america's business", strong hands like Jorge Eliécer Gaytan, Cesar Augusto Sandino, who were popular and real progressives were not "allowed" by the saintly and parsimonious christian democracies with values and pretenses, even today, strong hands, like enrique peña nieto and salvador cienpedos serve their american masters with distinction, like all the past presidents, except Lazaro Cardenas, and Adolfo Lopez Mateos who nationalized the power generation industry and mining in mexico in the 60's just before the debacles started with gustavo diaz ordaz and the rest of US ambassador win scott Litempo recruits...that is where the corrupt mexico you know started, "fighting communism" that ended in exploitation of mexico and the broken promises of drug trafficking...--what did you expect from an american government that invented crack for the masses and supplied it with cocaine from their drug producing colonies run by their own US chosen "strong hand" junta leaders?--please note, "they" were in a hurry to replace their drug trafficking of opiates from the SE Asia Golden Triangle they stole from the French Connection that used to be the owners...--Go back to school and you will find yerself a MASSA to adopt your ass and show you some "strong hand"

Relationships between Mexico and America are at a critical point. And if any future relationship were to continue to prosper. Mexico has to in my opinion make the extradition process less complicated to prosecute these individuals who continue to poison and kill citizens on both sides of our borders. Americans are fed up with policies and government intervention measures which have been a total disaster since the beginning. Sure Mexico has seen its fair share of drug use escalating to record hieghts . Moreover, Mexican citizens are at their breaking point from all of this. A better future and relationship between neighbors should consist of its same moral values and principles our country represent : Peace, Integrity, Respect and Love. Let's not impede future progress from providing a blanket of protection to these individuals who only have given us an unconditional plague of misery. But a common goal and humanity to the cause.

How about your country takes care ofnthe bankers and arm dealers that are the lifeblood ofmthe cartels? And also how about if your government just ends the war of drugs? I mean if you're so tired of doing the same thing ober and over why don't you change your MO?

Spain has produced a lot of well versed scholars with enormous interests on LatinAmerican affairs, casually, they bitch on international courts about the well being of their former colonies, and have all manner of goodwill ambassadors, even allow latin american artists and sports figures to come and go, marry latinas or latinos, and work on extorting billions of dollars worth of contractz from the LatinAmerican continent, in exchange for a few jibs.for Peruvian or ecuadoran bartenders or mexican and argentinian drug traffickers and politician satraps investing on their failing banks and enterprises...These investigators of the obvious make a nice chunk from bloviating the obvious, put jesos perez caballero in the same garbage pail with alejandro hope, they sure can take on the biiig baaad evil cartels, but nothing bigger, like the root causes of crime or state sponsored terrorism all over LatinAmerica or their chosen "mexico" where they say: "Al nopal lo van a ver solo cuando tiene tunas", and I have seen the new "king of spain" sniffing around too many LatinAmerican dogs arsed pooliticians already,--all fighting like bitches to get on the photo...

2:17 I admire the magnetic attraction of these "scholars" for the mexican narcos, and the way they bypass the root causes of drug trafficking and addiction, the real owners of it all, their puppets in government, and the banksers and investors that ultimately end up with all the marbles, they are not wrong, they are just always pissing out of the pot or on the soup, "they smaaart scholars..."

Juan Garcia Abrego was an illegal extradition. The department of state wouldn't a knowledge his US Citizenship yet the department of Justice claimed he was a US citizen to get him on US soil. 9 life sentences. How's that for a bad Mother F. CDG the original "cartel"

The orginal cartel started in Michoacan unnoticed because they grow all the drugs for the northern mexican states puro pinche desierto except Sinaloa where they grow tomatoes. Michoacan could give a fuck about being on top because of the stereotype who wants to be known for being top drug trafficker or producer for worldwide junkies. Producing food to eat is better along with its natural resources the state has. Bad Mother F Huh?

10:56 true, cdg got most drugs from Michoacan but stoped after zetas went to terrorize there and tax them. But there are still conections with cdg and even Sinaloa so michoacanos can sell there drugs to them.

President Trump just said EPN is a good and decent guy!Of course, America has a room full of tapes with EPN's voice while breaking laws! And of course there is another room full of statements from dozens of Narcos implicating EPN!So, this must mean EPN has submitted!Prove of Criminal acts bu heads of state have always been the number 1 way to get submission from foreign leaders!Remember Noriega!Big changes for Mexico, and they will favour America!

I wonder what the indictment is for Sanchez Arellano, the US has several of his top lieutenants in custody and already sentenced. I imagine they could scrape something together in San Diego, but for what purpose? And why never charged publicly?

Mayo is from El Alamo located near Badiraguato in Sinaloa. A respected, cunning and shadowy figure in Mexican organize crime circles who shuns the spotlight. He only has rudimentary formal education but a PhD in drug trafficking. DEA reports that he has been a made man in Mexican organized crime since at least the 70's. Mayo has been linked to the majority of great Mexicans capos that have operated since at least the last 40 years. Mayo greatest strategic moves have been teaming up with Chapo to form CDS and luring Ramon AF into his home turf to be executed in cold blood. He seems to always have the knack of being in the right spot at the right time. Three of his sons are currently locked up and some are cooperating against his organization. How the little pigs would cry when they heard about how the old boar suffers hidden in the caves, mountains, hills, valleys and prairies of mi Sinaloa!!!

Was expecting a comment in the article from that asshole Mike Vigil. Didnt see his stupid ass sticking his nose in it like he does everything else, trying hiis hardest to stay relevant in retirement. Your retired, go away

1) The person being extradited has lots of cash to pay for each day they remain on Mexican soil2) The person being extradited knows too much about high level politicians 3) Those involved with the criminal being extradited have the power and means to protect the person from being killed while in custody as they too have a death sentence

So long as extraditions involve high value target the Mexican officials will do everything in their power to keep the criminals in their jails while they're allowed conduct business from the jail to affect the country

Once the major cartel players are gone it may be time to look at the Mexican Government. How is it possible that mexico just cannot build an economy which is not relying on other countries. Time to create a government by the people, for the people.