For anyone wanting to know: these guys drop both Coldblood Flower Bulb and Blooming Coldblood Flower. Layer 3 of the Ailing Loran Chalice (not the root chalice) has a straight shot to 2 Clerics with only a room with 2 Chime Maidens summoning spiders (though of course, the spiders take some shenanigans to avoid/kill). There's also a Labyrinth Sage in the lower section of the room that you can easily sneak behind for a visceral and rinse n' repeat.

while exploring the second level of the ailing lornan challice dungeon I came to the room with the boss room lock switch scoping out the area from the upper levels I assumed the guards for this switch the insane numbers of undead were the thing keeping it safe so I made my way down from the right and began to take them out, but soon I heard what sounded like fire crackling and this mob explodes from behind some boxes in those corner turning my hunter into a thanks giving roast for the dead. watch out for them they hang to the left of the swtich in behind boxes and can fire off a hihg ammount of pyromancy spells that would make the beast possessed souls and ritual masters blush.