That's impossible. How could byu be
ranked all the way down at #43 when they have 11 Billion fans?

SLC
BYU Fan"But then again isn't it the "fairness doctrine to
Utah State" that has landed BYU in the league alignment mess that it find
itself in?" Yes, that's exactly what it is...the fault of someone
else. Always is when it comes to byu's misfortunes.

We have enough clout to choose any bowl we want. With our $6M to $8M per game
payout from ESPN, great bowl records and huge fan basses that travel, every bowl
will want us. We can pick any of them. We go to Rose bowl before the 1 in Pac
11+1

The most interesting thing about BYU's fan base to Bowls and TV people is
that it is spread all across the country. Play a game in the State of
California? BYU will bring 40K if they're slotted that many tickets -
better than virtually any out of state PAC-12 team, except at this point, maybe
for Oregon. Play in Texas? Count on 20K - 30K if you can get them tickets. ND?
Full of as many BYU fans could get tickets. Georga Tech? Same. Virginia will
be the same this year - count on 20K plus. Wisconsin? Same. There are VERY
few teams that have that draw anywhere in the country. That's what makes
BYU so intriguing. There fanbase is not gigantic, but it's spread around
the country like very few teams, and the fans are happy to drive 5 or 6 hours to
get to a game.

"BYU has a large national following and is a good draw
for most of the bowl games. They should have no problem locking into games for
the future."

That should be MOSTLY true....in that they
won't be left out of the postseason with 6-wins. But they WILL be left out
of any bowl game of significance.

I would suspect the Indy-WACers
would align themselves with one of the following postseason destinations:
Famous Idaho Potato, Poinsettia, Armed Forces, Hawai'i, New Mexico, and/or
"new bowl TBD". All are in the West, and none threatening to break the
$850K glass ceiling payout our unfortunate little brothers are trapped under.

That said, here a few other more long-shots: New Orleans, Beef
'O' Brady, GoDaddy, Little Caesars, Military, Fight Hunger, Las Vegas,
and Heart of Texas. The New Orleans, Beef 'O' Brady, GoDaddy,
Military, and Little Caesars are substantially outside their footprint, and the
Fight Hunger, Las Vegas, and Heart of Texas pay out too much money for the bowl
organizers, who would most likely rather attract a team from one of the 5 power
conferences.

"Play a game in the State of California? BYU will bring
40K if they're slotted that many tickets - better than virtually any out of
state PAC-12 team, except at this point, maybe for Oregon. Play in Texas? Count
on 20K - 30K if you can get them tickets. ND? Full of as many BYU fans could get
tickets. Georga Tech? Same. Virginia will be the same this year - count on 20K
plus. Wisconsin? Same."

Really? The stadium at the San Jose
game last year was half empty and it only holds 15,000. Where were the byu
fans? You people type this stuff up or read a comment from someone else and
believe every word of it.

BYU has a pretty nice set up. After their first loss they are out of the
national bowls, and fans can make bowl travel plans in September.

Well... they can make plans if they feel pretty confident about getting to
6-6. That's been pretty much assured with the weak start-up schedule. If
BYU gets a BCS-like schedule, fans will have to wait longer to lock in those
bowl travel plans.

If its exposure, lets go big! Each year, Holmoe can land us in a mid-December
bowl, and then in a second early January bowl. One on each coast--we could fill
them up, double the pay-check and satisfy double the fans.

"The most interesting thing about BYU's fan base to
Bowls and TV people is that it is spread all across the country. Play a game in
the State of California? BYU will bring 40K..."

It doesn't
look that way. The entire recorded attendance at the 2012 Poinsettia Bowl --
played in San Diego, CA -- was only 35K.

"Play in Texas? Count on
20K - 30K"

The 2011 Armed Forces Bowl -- played in Ft. Worth, TX
-- only drew 30K total fans. Surely you couldn't be suggesting that the
ENTIRE stadium's attendees were 100% Indy-WACers. Especially not since
Tulsa is nearly 75% closer to SMU's campus than the Y. Better change that
to "made up stats man"?

"That's what makes BYU so
intriguing. There [sic] fanbase is not gigantic, but it's spread around the
country like very few teams."

Actually, what makes the
Indy-WACers so intriguing is that their fanbase is not gigantic, but their own
opinions of themselves IS. Hence all the frantic and emotional exaggerations of
relevance.

I am amazed at how much blue kool aid,
personally mixed by Mr. Holmoe has been drunk by Cougar fans. Have any of you
Cougar fans really stepped back to read your comments? Perhaps the majority of
Cougar fans really are satisfied and / or content to consistently play in lower
tier bowl games, all in the name of "exposure". If you really think
playing in crappy bowl games is good exposure for your university, and you are
satisfied that is the goal of your athletic director, then more power to you. I
shake my head thinking what a sad state that would be to be in, i.e.
rationalizing mediocrity. I have said this a thousand times and cougar fans
just don't seem to get it - IT IS FAR BETTER FOR YOUR FOOTBALL PROGRAM TO
HAVE AVERAGE SEASONS, INTERSPERSED WITH MAJOR, BCS EXPOSURE, THAN IT IS FOR YOU
TO WIN 10-11 GAMES VERSUS CRAP SCHEDULES AND GET SUBSEQUENT 'EXPOSURE'
IN CRAP BOWL GAMES.

You really need to wake up and demand from your
AD that your genuine goal is national exposure through QUALITY wins and trips to
the playoff system. Trust me, I have experienced this!

BYU will get much more exposure and therefore attract better recruits. The MWC
would have kept them in obscurity. Independence will allow them to step up to
the next level.Utah will have a competitive year this year and will soon have a
great year and win the PAC 12. Both schools are in better positions than before
despite the relatively mediocre years for both last year. Both teams have good
defensive coaches but need offenses this year. Change will pay off over time.

Your point of BYU going to the same Kraft fight hunger
bowl whether they are a six win or an eleven win team is pointless. Why?
Because it is highly unlikely BYU will win more than eight games this season
against such a difficult schedule. So having a guaranteed bowl for an
independent team is nice. And it's not a bad bowl... it's in San
Fransisco and teams who have played there recently include Virginia Tech, Boston
College, Utah, and Florida Sate. They payout isn't great but there are
worse things in the world.

What I don't get is why this is so
important to y'all. If Utah wins six games (highly unlikely) then there is
a chance they will play in the New Mexico Bowl or if they are lucky (maybe with
seven or eight wins) the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl. Barring a miracle (winning
eight or more games) Utah will be going to a "lower" bowl than BYU.
Really, at this point the best case scenario for the Utes is that they'll
join the cougars in San Fransisco, hoping for some redemption for their
September loss to the Y.

Talk about made up facts. BYU played Tulsa at SMU stadium which only holds
32,000. TCU was under construction. I was there, and yes, 75% were BYU fans.
I'm sure BYU could have sold 30k, but some of the tickets had to go to
Tulsa.

When BYU played TCU in Jerry World, BYU easily had 30k. When
BYU played Oklahoma in Jerry World, BYU easily had 30k.

I'm sure that you are aware Utah played in the
Sun Bowl 2 years ago, and that they were a major upset (to Colorado) away from
playing in the Alamo Bowl don't you? Both bowl have a higher payout then
any of the bowls you mention; and both are un-touchable by BYU.