I missed your Star Radio interview again Katie. However, I was curious if you talked about the real Patty Montgomery who lived with her bf with Garretson in the Cielo guest house. Patty Montgomery was the girl who did Garretson's laundry. Garretson threw them out for some reason. I was curious if Krenwinkle met the real Patty Montgomery? It seems very unlikely that Krenwinkle just by accident picked that alias out of thin air.

Interesting notes about WG who everyone assumes suffers from PTSD when actually he has always been borderline retarded which goes a long way explaining his wierd behavior before and after the murders, his polygraph, etc.

Where else has it ever been claimed that Joel Rostau shorted Jay Sebring of $2000 worth of cocaine on that particular night? Or ever in fact?

Interesting notes about WG who everyone assumes suffers from PTSD when actually he has always been borderline retarded which goes a long way explaining his wierd behavior before and after the murders, his polygraph, etc.

Where else has it ever been claimed that Joel Rostau shorted Jay Sebring of $2000 worth of cocaine on that particular night? Or ever in fact(end quote)

the police report on the tate homicides. google it and you can find it or go over to HSF and it is there. it lists out the source (Sebring's receptionist and girlfriend of Joel Rosteau).

note, they (Rosteau and the girlfriend) were also the victims of a home invasion about 4 months before. Two masked men, one a tall fellow who was called 'charles' by the other masked fella. there is a police report on that one also.

That is a great question Katie. As many folks haven't read the book, it is a little frustrating for people as they hear claims without having a chance to read the detail offered by Shreck throughout the book.

So yes, he does cite to the police report. He is fairly explicit in this regard and offers details from same. However, he doesn't include a copy of the police report in the book. I would love it if he would put this police report up on his website or the poly interviews of Amos Russell who worked as the butler to Jay Sebring.

The important thing to remember with the Shreck book is he offers a fair amount of support that does make sense. For example, based off the Tate Homicide report you do believe that Rosteau had a live in girl friend who worked for Jay Sebring, right?Shreck names her, Charlene McCffrey. He gives the date of this earlier event, April 13, 1969. He gives the address of the apartment 840 North Larabee. (At the time, Tex lived at 917 North Larabee.) According to Shreck, in the police report Rosteau is finger printed and booked. He is let out on $5,000 bail. Charlene evidently was cooperative in giving details of the robbery and able to convince the cops that she was just the girlfriend who worked as a receptionist at a hair salon -not a drug dealer- so they let her go.

Does it really seem so far out of left field that Tex tried a drug burn of someone who lived close by? And given that they were so close by he put on a mask? And that given Tex's penchant for violence that he shot the dude as he took off?

Just to make clear, I am not accepting everything that Shreck says on faith. And I have areas in which I need to see more.

So while I can make the earlier leap in logic on the Tex drug burn of Rosteau at his apartment, let me give an example of something that I want to see more support from Shreck.

Per Shreck, the Genovese crime family that was running mail fraud/securities that the mafia had been running out of Kennedy Airport. (I believe that) Basically, the mafia was stealing registered mail and other important cargo that were subsequently fenced. (I believe that) Rosteau served as the LA point of contact for the Genovese Crime Family. Many of the proceeds were used to fund fronts like movie productions, banks, real estates, and maybe a certain hair care operation. (I believe that in theory, but would need to see the connection to Rosteau)

I would like to see the support for this from Shreck. He states that Rosteau was under constant surveillance by government agencies (FBI). (I would like to see his support on this, is it police reports, interviews, etc?).

Of course, we can't ask Rosteau about this as he ended up with a bullet in his head and stuffed in the trunk of a car at Kennedy Airport. Which is a pretty traditional way of disposing bodies back in the 60's/70's for the mafia. (I believe that it isn't a stretch to believe that Rosteau was someone involved in crime).

Okay Johnny, on page 4 of the 2nd Tate Homicide Report, it says that on April 13, 1969, McCaffery & Rosteau were arrested at his apartment after 2 armed men broke in and shot Rosteau in the foot. The cops searched the apartment and found marijuana, cocaine and hashish, so they were both arrested. McCaffery was later let go.

It doesn't mention that the 2 men were wearing masks or that one was called "Charles".

How do we go from that info to the fact that we know the 2 men were Tex & Bruce????

Katie and all, I promise you all those questions will be answered in due time as Nikolas Schreck as agreed to an EXCLUSIVE with us in TLB Radio. Unlike say, Statman, Schreck isnt running and not answering questions.

I've already spoke with Schreck on the phone and believe me he has your answers.

I am about halfway thru the book. I feel very confident in this book thus far and I urge everyone to try and get a copy asap.

Let me add this...I have read more than one article over the years about masked criminals calling out each others names simply out of habit. So I feel it certainly could've been Bruce and Tex or someone and Tex.

Also, imo, of course Rostau will deny ever being at Cielo. Why believe him on that ?

I think Mr. Schreck must have watched the movie "The Strangers", which was supposedly loosely based on the Manson murders, which was such a bore it was more interesting to watch paint dry. They all had on stupid masks.

Katieall because Tex didn't where a mask at the later ones doesn't preclude him from wearing one at the Rosteau one in April especially if he lived a few doors away.

also, the Tate report only summarizes the earlier police report. in the earlier police report, you would have statements made by the victims (charlene) as to what they were wearing, any names used, etc. doesn't 'Charles' seem a little formal to be referring to someone during a robbery? the shorter man was the height of Bruce and spoke with his accent. At the time the police didn't pull it together. It is not absolute proof, but Charles and Bruce pulling off a half ass drug burn a few doors down from Watson's apartment does not seem a real stretch to me.

Shreck is clear that he is citing to those April police reports and his discussions with police officers.

Johnny you're right. You have outlined the parts you really like and other parts you might question.

And I haven't read the book so all I've seen is a blurb here and a quote there, so I really don't have the knowledge to really know much about this book.

I don't even know where Shreck lives. I've been told that the book is not available in the USA, so I'm assuming he lives abroad.

I'm looking forward to the interview too to get a better prospective of what he's talking about.

Also I think I misunderstood what you were saying. Did you say there's a police report dated in April 1969 regarding this break in at Rosteau's house? That report I haven't seen or read so I don't know what it says.

Hi Katieyes, there is a separate police report for the April incident. later in the Tate Homicide Report, they summarize the earlier incident but because it is only a summary it doesn't have the info packed into the April report. rather it is only a brief outline.

in the Shreck book, he has this April report and he gives a number of details as to what happened etc based off this police report.

now i haven't seen the April police report. but they did charge Rosteau and he was subsequently released on $5000 bail.

" MrPoirot said...Rostau sounds like the equivilant to the girl with the big floppy hat in the Jeffrey Msdonald murders. (this is the woman who had nothing to do with the murders yet Mcdonald said she did)

katiehere is something interesting about joel rosteau. looks like in late 69 he filed some insurance claims that were denied. he subsequently sued but before he could get in court he died. the insurers then got it dismissed as he was deceased. a couple years later, his executrix was able to get the claims reinstated. this was all done in california. the executrix was a pricilla miranda. wonder if she was someone who knew joel rosteau or just someone who was serving this role. if priscilla knew joel personally and is still around. who knows what she might recall about joel rosteau.

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