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Re: Sasuke could've ended shippuden..

It's a not bad theory actually... I've always wondered when Yamato would come back in to the picture.

Would make for an epic fight .... Especially if Hashimara was controlling him.. :D

Well Tsunade's boyfriend said that the ''ONLY'' one who could possibly have a chance at Madara is Hashirama and him allone, and i believe that it'll happen for sure, Yamato's awesome and he deserves to atleast die like a badass even if it means being controlled by a concious/subconcious Hasirama you know?

Re: Sasuke could've ended shippuden..

Re: Sasuke could've ended shippuden..

The plot of part 2 is interesting to say the least, but it is true that there is a need to put in more taijutsu into the battles along with the creation of strategies, but in the last couple of episodes Kakashi created a strategy to land hits on Obito. Plus, even though Naruto now has his ultimate bijuu mode and Sasuke his Susanoo, i think that the final battle will be a little bit more than just bunch of overpowering attacks and replaying them in different views.

I personally think that Naruto could whoop Sasuke's ass in a heartbeat, even in just sage mode and battling without the kyuubi in any state. Sasuke is just there so there can be an "ultimate enemy which will put Naruto's skills to the test." I don't think that Sasuke should even still be alive after his fight with Itachi, but it was necessary for the show to go on so I understand, but it would be a little bit easier to accept that Sasuke "beat" Itachi if he didn't act all arrogant all of the time.

Re: Sasuke could've ended shippuden..

Personally, my favorite part of Part 2 is the Uchiha brother story. Itachi is by far my favorite character.
He was a hero, regardless of what anyone says, and he did make mistakes in the past. Massive ones, to be sure, but still I stand by my opinion.

Also, recently I've been thinking along the lines of "These are ninja... aren't they supposed to be stealthy? Use strategy to get the other hand? I thought deception was a ninja's greatest weakness..."

This is how the fights tend to go...

Talking.
MASSIVE JUTSU
Explain how Jutsu works.

Repeat.

Total deception...

I do enjoy part two though. Just in a different way.

On a side note, DBZ just starting out, a simple Kamehameha was a danger of destroying the planet.

Go to the end of GT and you've got Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta throwing around Big Bang Kamehameha x100 like it ain't nothing.

Re: Sasuke could've ended shippuden..

Originally Posted by cheechorito

The plot of part 2 is interesting to say the least, but it is true that there is a need to put in more taijutsu into the battles along with the creation of strategies, but in the last couple of episodes Kakashi created a strategy to land hits on Obito. Plus, even though Naruto now has his ultimate bijuu mode and Sasuke his Susanoo, i think that the final battle will be a little bit more than just bunch of overpowering attacks and replaying them in different views.

I personally think that Naruto could whoop Sasuke's ass in a heartbeat, even in just sage mode and battling without the kyuubi in any state. Sasuke is just there so there can be an "ultimate enemy which will put Naruto's skills to the test." I don't think that Sasuke should even still be alive after his fight with Itachi, but it was necessary for the show to go on so I understand, but it would be a little bit easier to accept that Sasuke "beat" Itachi if he didn't act all arrogant all of the time.

Well you have a point but if Naruto is stronger then Sasuke wouldn't Sasuke need to be more strategic in the battle because one wrong move and it's over you know i'd just like to see more of that.

Re: Sasuke could've ended shippuden..

I agree and disagree. I read/watch Naruto because of Sasuke. The layers of his character appeal to me. Everything he has ever done is shaped by his past events. He's extremely realistic. I absolutely dislike Naruto himself. Why is he protecting the village? The will of fire bullshit is hilarious and complete non-sense for sticking your neck out for people who shunned you, treated you inhumanly. While to a small extent, I understand his bonds with his friends - to a small extent only - his reasons for protecting the village are sketchy at best and childishly strange at worst. I just don't get them at all. So from his perspective, his character has only spiraled downwards for me. Same is the case with Sakura, Hinata, and a few others.

I really loved Akatsuki. All the characters, including Orochimaru had some agenda, some reason to carry out their plans. Same is the case with Kabuto and even Obito now. One thing bother me is the lack of taijutsu on Sasuke's part. I really miss that. So all in all, Naruto has its plus and negative side for me from the very start. Madara is definitely another plus.

Re: Sasuke could've ended shippuden..

Originally Posted by shelke

I agree and disagree. I read/watch Naruto because of Sasuke. The layers of his character appeal to me. Everything he has ever done is shaped by his past events. He's extremely realistic. I absolutely dislike Naruto himself. Why is he protecting the village? The will of fire bullshit is hilarious and complete non-sense for sticking your neck out for people who shunned you, treated you inhumanly. While to a small extent, I understand his bonds with his friends - to a small extent only - his reasons for protecting the village are sketchy at best and childishly strange at worst. I just don't get them at all. So from his perspective, his character has only spiraled downwards for me. Same is the case with Sakura, Hinata, and a few others.

I really loved Akatsuki. All the characters, including Orochimaru had some agenda, some reason to carry out their plans. Same is the case with Kabuto and even Obito now. One thing bother me is the lack of taijutsu on Sasuke's part. I really miss that. So all in all, Naruto has its plus and negative side for me from the very start. Madara is definitely another plus.

Re: Sasuke could've ended shippuden..

Re: Sasuke could've ended shippuden..

Originally Posted by shelke

I agree and disagree. I read/watch Naruto because of Sasuke. The layers of his character appeal to me. Everything he has ever done is shaped by his past events. He's extremely realistic. I absolutely dislike Naruto himself. Why is he protecting the village? The will of fire bullshit is hilarious and complete non-sense for sticking your neck out for people who shunned you, treated you inhumanly. While to a small extent, I understand his bonds with his friends - to a small extent only - his reasons for protecting the village are sketchy at best and childishly strange at worst. I just don't get them at all. So from his perspective, his character has only spiraled downwards for me. Same is the case with Sakura, Hinata, and a few others.

I really loved Akatsuki. All the characters, including Orochimaru had some agenda, some reason to carry out their plans. Same is the case with Kabuto and even Obito now. One thing bother me is the lack of taijutsu on Sasuke's part. I really miss that. So all in all, Naruto has its plus and negative side for me from the very start. Madara is definitely another plus.

I don't know how you can say that it's pathetic for someone who want's to protect their friend's and village.

You say you love the Akatsuki because had their adenga's? They were in a way all the same.

Pein > Wanted to bring peace to the world ... (Gave in to hatred)

Obito/Tobi > Wanted to bring peace to the world ... (Gave in to Hatred)

Itachi > Wanted to bring peace and look out for his village.

Sasori > He even let himself die because he realised that what he did was wrong. (Gave in to Hatred)

Kisame > God knows. He just goes with the flow i guess.

Anyway point is .. at the end of the day, they all had the same desire and that was to protect there friend's and the village. Naruto realises that hating on people won't make any difference or help any situation...

Think about it this way! How would you feel if something that killed your friend's, family was to walk past you everyday. It would hurt you because he's a reminder of their loses.

Naruto is the only realistic respectful person in the Manga.. He's never went back on his word, He's never gave in to hatred no matter how much was stacked on him. He never gave in to hatred that's why people have faith and believe that's he's the only on that's will is strong enough to succeed.

Naruto is not pathetic in anyway ... I Respect your opinion, but Sasuke isn't worth admiring in my opinion.

Why hate someone for doing something to you, If you retaliate then you're just as bad as the person who hurt you in the first place.

Re: Sasuke could've ended shippuden..

I don't know how you can say that it's pathetic for someone who want's to protect their friend's and village.

You say you love the Akatsuki because had their adenga's? They were in a way all the same.

Pein > Wanted to bring peace to the world ... (Gave in to hatred)

Obito/Tobi > Wanted to bring peace to the world ... (Gave in to Hatred)

Itachi > Wanted to bring peace and look out for his village.

Sasori > He even let himself die because he realised that what he did was wrong. (Gave in to Hatred)

Kisame > God knows. He just goes with the flow i guess.

Anyway point is .. at the end of the day, they all had the same desire and that was to protect there friend's and the village. Naruto realises that hating on people won't make any difference or help any situation...

Think about it this way! How would you feel if something that killed your friend's, family was to walk past you everyday. It would hurt you because he's a reminder of their loses.

Naruto is the only realistic respectful person in the Manga.. He's never went back on his word, He's never gave in to hatred no matter how much was stacked on him. He never gave in to hatred that's why people have faith and believe that's he's the only on that's will is strong enough to succeed.

Naruto is not pathetic in anyway ... I Respect your opinion, but Sasuke isn't worth admiring in my opinion.

Why hate someone for doing something to you, If you retaliate then you're just as bad as the person who hurt you in the first place.

Re: Sasuke could've ended shippuden..

I don't know how you can say that it's pathetic for someone who want's to protect their friend's and village.

You say you love the Akatsuki because had their adenga's? They were in a way all the same.

Pein > Wanted to bring peace to the world ... (Gave in to hatred)

Obito/Tobi > Wanted to bring peace to the world ... (Gave in to Hatred)

Itachi > Wanted to bring peace and look out for his village.

Sasori > He even let himself die because he realised that what he did was wrong. (Gave in to Hatred)

Kisame > God knows. He just goes with the flow i guess.

Anyway point is .. at the end of the day, they all had the same desire and that was to protect there friend's and the village. Naruto realises that hating on people won't make any difference or help any situation...

Think about it this way! How would you feel if something that killed your friend's, family was to walk past you everyday. It would hurt you because he's a reminder of their loses.

Naruto is the only realistic respectful person in the Manga.. He's never went back on his word, He's never gave in to hatred no matter how much was stacked on him. He never gave in to hatred that's why people have faith and believe that's he's the only on that's will is strong enough to succeed.

Naruto is not pathetic in anyway ... I Respect your opinion, but Sasuke isn't worth admiring in my opinion.

Why hate someone for doing something to you, If you retaliate then you're just as bad as the person who hurt you in the first place.

Here is where you are wrong. What are Naruto's reasons for protecting the village? Name one aside of his so-called bonds. Sakura never cared for him, Sasuke respected him for a short duration, but he left for his own goal, and through out his fight with Neji and Kiba, they only ridiculed him. Their defeat made them accept him. If they weren't defeated, they would have no respect for Naruto whatsoever.

The only close bond he ever forged was with Sasuke, let's face it. Sakura still cries for Sasuke, and even when Sai told her to take back her word back she hesitated knowing that Sasuke would've killed the whole team. At the final point, she still hesitated when Sasuke was going to kill her again. And Naruto is willing to risk his neck for her? Why? You call this realistic? From which angle, pal?

The fact you even called Naruto realistic is a flawed argument to begin with. The village ridiculed him through and through, treated him like dirt, children played fatal pranks on him, and the original reason for Naruto to become a Hokage was not to save the village, but to be acknowledged, because he was always ridiculed, looked down upon; he wanted respect and for people to look up at him, hence the pranks and boisterous behavior. Till that point, I thought Naruto was a very real character, but then came Sakura promise.

Please tell me, what are his reasons to almost kill himself for Sakura? What are his reasons to protect the village now when they wanted him to disappear off the face of earth? This doesn't make up for a realistic character at all. Real people never make such promises. Real people never protect those who hurt them and treated them as if they were animals. Real people don't chase things senselessly. You want to respect him? I have nothing against that, but please, don't call him realistic, because Naruto's cheerful, rainbow, unicorn personality is anything but.

Real people have flaws. Real people become emotional, they become extreme, they are driven by different emotions, and hatred is one of the driving forces of humanity. Let's see the reasons behind Akatsuki:

- Nagato's original reasons were to prevent war, and when he became a victim yet again, he wanted revenge, like real people.

- Tobi went through a life altering event, and any such event has a strong impact on ones personality. And if it is rooted it grief, people don't talk about rainbows and butterflies, they become resentful. Fact.

-Itachi didn't protect the village, he wanted to protect Sasuke. What do you think would have happened if Danzo killed Sasuke? He would've burned down the village. A man who didn't even care for his own life and wanted to die at the hands of his brother because he loved him unconditionally would react in an extremely hateful manner if Danzo had ever succeeded in his plans.

- Where did you get that Sasori idea from? He wanted to escape his unreal existence to feel pain and death as a human being, not because he was wrong. That puppet reference is also a metaphor for an unfeeling shell. Does a doll have any feelings?

If you don't respect Sasuke then I have nothing against that. But your logic not very mature. It feels like something out of a fairytale, and human psyche doesn't work that way. If you are hurt by someone, you feel hatred. If within your power you inflict hurt or stay quiet and become resentful. If you lose someone, you are overwhelmed by sadness, and if someone has a hand in it that sadness is turned again into hatred for that person. This is how real people work.

Like it or not accept it or not, we are also like this. No one is like Naruto.

Re: Sasuke could've ended shippuden..

But to be on topic, yes I agree that Naruto part 1 (anime) was much better than part 2, due to the higher quality animation and in depth action scenes.

However, I also disagree with your post somewhat because if Sasuke ended the series by finishing off Naruto, then it would have been a let down for us Sasuke fans, as we would miss all of the badass strategic battles (unlike Naruto pathetic annoying Kagebunshin battles) of Sasuke, for e.g. Sasuke vs Deidara and Sasuke vs Danzo.

Originally Posted by shelke

I agree and disagree. I read/watch Naruto because of Sasuke. The layers of his character appeal to me. Everything he has ever done is shaped by his past events. He's extremely realistic. I absolutely dislike Naruto himself. Why is he protecting the village? The will of fire bullshit is hilarious and complete non-sense for sticking your neck out for people who shunned you, treated you inhumanly. While to a small extent, I understand his bonds with his friends - to a small extent only - his reasons for protecting the village are sketchy at best and childishly strange at worst. I just don't get them at all. So from his perspective, his character has only spiraled downwards for me. Same is the case with Sakura, Hinata, and a few others.

I really loved Akatsuki. All the characters, including Orochimaru had some agenda, some reason to carry out their plans. Same is the case with Kabuto and even Obito now. One thing bother me is the lack of taijutsu on Sasuke's part. I really miss that. So all in all, Naruto has its plus and negative side for me from the very start. Madara is definitely another plus.

You just speak the truth man, +reps

Originally Posted by shelke

Real people never make such promises. Real people never protect those who hurt them and treated them as if they were animals. Real people don't chase things senselessly. You want to respect him? I have nothing against that, but please, don't call him realistic, because Naruto's cheerful, rainbow, unicorn personality is anything but.

Real people have flaws. Real people become emotional, they become extreme, they are driven by different emotions, and hatred is one of the driving forces of humanity. Let's see the reasons behind Akatsuki:

- Nagato's original reasons were to prevent war, and when he became a victim yet again, he wanted revenge, like real people.

- Tobi went through a life altering event, and any such event has a strong impact on ones personality. And if it is rooted it grief, people don't talk about rainbows and butterflies, they become resentful. Fact.

-Itachi didn't protect the village, he wanted to protect Sasuke. What do you think would have happened if Danzo killed Sasuke? He would've burned down the village. A man who didn't even care for his own life and wanted to die at the hands of his brother because he loved him unconditionally would react in an extremely hateful manner if Danzo had ever succeeded in his plans.

- Where did you get that Sasori idea from? He wanted to escape his unreal existence to feel pain and death as a human being, not because he was wrong. That puppet reference is also a metaphor for an unfeeling shell. Does a doll have any feelings?

If you don't respect Sasuke then I have nothing against that. But your logic not very mature. It feels like something out of a fairytale, and human psyche doesn't work that way. If you are hurt by someone, you feel hatred. If within your power you inflict hurt or stay quiet and become resentful. If you lose someone, you are overwhelmed by sadness, and if someone has a hand in it that sadness is turned again into hatred for that person. This is how real people work.

Like it or not accept it or not, we are also like this. No one is like Naruto.

I agree, the reason why Naruto is the most unreal character ever and why I watch this show only because of Sasuke

Re: Sasuke could've ended shippuden..

Only a sasugay fanboy would think that. What fights in part 1 were better than what's happening now? To me none. Quit acting like your opinion rules over everyone else's. they are just opinions, after all.