WIND subscriber base reaches 139,681

Kate O'Brien

November 8, 2010 4:24pm

Financial backer of Wind Mobile, Orascom Telecom Holding SAE, has reported their Q3 financial results today and shows that they have increased their subscriber numbers by 45,799 to bring their current total to 139,681. This represents a growth of almost 33% from last quarter where the official number was 93,882. In the report it states the reason for the increase was due to the “promotions aimed at facilitating the switch to their new network and increased sales presence”. Wind has continually come out with porting credits, discounted plans and handset promotions ever since they officially launched.

I’ve been with wind for 8 months so far and it’s been good for me but I can see how others could get frustrated.

Reggie Noble

Congrats to Wind. Too bad I had to leave them because their service and coverage wasn’t up to par with my needs. Hopefully thinks will improve in the next year or two so I can switch back to them.

malingerer

Look how small Wind is, even compared to DPRK! I wonder if they’re providing porting credits, discounted plans and handset promotions in the North? Nice place to do business..

WirelessBoy

I just wonder is these are NET numbers they are referring to or GROSS. I have read so many things saying the numbers they report are GROSS and that Orascom likes to inflate the numbers by reporting GROSS and not NET…who to believe..

Terry

You’d be a liar if you said any of the wireless providers didn’t play with their numbers to present them in the best light.

I bet you ANYTHING that Rogers, Bells and Telus’s numbers have been played with, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Winds have too.

Regulator

TBR aka Jawg aka Rocco,

What business is that dealing drugs? Pimping Yo mama and sisters?

Guido please!

chall2k5

these are the total active in the past 60 days (the period before the assigned number gets released) the same as Bell, Rogers, and Telus do

ej

40k in 3 months? (jun-sept) That’s not THAT bad considering they are only in ont, bc, al. Ken Campbell wanted 100k by summer 2010 and it looks like they achieved that. In March 09 there was only 30k IIRC.

Zeake

Cant say we didn’t see this coming…

Terry

It’s hard for newcomer usebase to grow when the majority of cell phone users are stuck on a 36 month contract, and you bet your but the evil three are using the worlds longest mobile contracts to stunt competition growth to try and starve them financially.

I don’t buy the whole “the big 3 have people locked in Contracts” arguement. Every day people are coming off their contracts with the big 3 and they have the opportunity to jump to Wind or Mobi and Public but the big 3 are still reporting record gross additions for last quarter. Its not to say that Winds additions are not impressive. I’d say for a carrier of limited scope and presence that they are doing well… For what they are… But I don’t think that people are switching to them in droves like they had hoped.

If you really think about it, even with their huge $150 promos, half price plans, free referal months, and now their koodo tab offering, they are still only pulling in the users that the big carriers aren’t interested in (yet).

Its clear that Wind needs a much larger coverage area (ie get rid of the stupid home zones and away zones) and a much more reliable network in order to entice clients of the big 3 to move over.

Canadians expect things for a reasonable price but what we expect even more of is a good quality network which we all know Wind is not yet ready to provide. This is why the big 3 will continue to add huge numbers of subscribers and why Wind’s dream of becoming a 4th national carrier aren’t going to materialize anytime soon.

Rocco StiffReddi

funny how they have to use the Orascom numbers yet again. People inside wind have stated 100k is the ball park number they have NOW.. thats actual paying customers not total activations.

Kathryn

You are jealous!

Rocco StiffReddi

jealous darling? just for a moment hear me out. jabroni said the number was well over 100k 120-130 then orascom says less than 94k he looks like a well a jabroni.. so now they toss out a number less than 140k so please do enlighten me. Tony lied, or was he telling the truth? jealous? hardly no name calling tell me what is your take on that?

jarr

weak numbers after a year in

chall2k5

i’d love to see these numbers after a year in Toronto and only 6 months in Ottawa/Vancity

jarr

Wirelessboy you are a fool. These are net numbers, Orascom doesn’t distort anything. If you are semi intelligent you can figure it all out. They report their subscribers ending period the same way every other normal telecom company does.

Right now they have 140,000 customers (well, at the end of the third quarter). They had just under 100,000 at the end of Q2 so between july to the end of september, they added 45,000 net subscribers – this takes into account people who left plus people who joined.

in a perfect world – no one left, and they added a gross 45,000 subscribers

in a pessimistic world, 55,000 customers left but 100,000 joined – this is bad because it raises the question – why did 55,000 people leave in a quarter – does this mean that the new 100,000 that came on this quarter will leave in the next quarter?

OBVIOUSLY the answer lies somwewhere in between. bottom line. there are now 45,000 additional customers between the second and third quarter that are registered to wind mobile canada.

not too difficult or shady to understand at all.

WirelessBoy

@jarr You are calling me a fool? Did you really read my QUESTION and notice it was not a COMMENT that I made???? I asked a simple question….’Is this Gross or Net’ and I ended up with “who to believe” I expected an intelligent response but I guess in your case that is asking alot of you…go back and read my question before you start the name calling…you fanboys are all the same….

jarr

the ‘lock in’ argument does hold some weight, but not enough. you are right. people are coming off contract constantly. you can see that by looking at the gross versus net subscriber numbers at the big 3 – clearly, there ARE people disconnecting

couple this on top of Wind’s 150 credit – it is alarming as to why they aren’t picking up more subscribers.

Anthony Lacavera (CEO of Globalive) says the goal (from a financial perspective to break even and all that important stuff) is to have 1.5 million customers in 3 years.

at the end of year 1, they will be at best 200, 000

do the math

going to be tough to reach their goal of 1.5M customers 2 years from now.

Rocco StiffReddi

What does it matter what jabroni said he does not run the company. Not 1 bit. All the numbers have come from the owners orascom. 1.5 million subs? madness I tell you.. at the rate they are losing money, and the well has run dry on the orascom front.. it does not look good.. need I remind you all that last year orascom’s wireless sector made 1 billion in profits.. and they are how big? Robbers mase 2 billion from from the wireless division.. as an investor I look at that are damming numbers.. every day someone reports issues on wind.. be it billing handsets network calls etc.. endless lists.. number 1 reason to switch carriers.. dropped calls.. yeah.. what he said.

CADDMan

For Wind Mobile in Canada to reach 1.5M customers after 3 years they’d have to AVERAGE 125,000 each and every quarter of their existance, not just from this point on. Is this possible, sure, but they’ll have to significantly increase their NET new customer adds sooner rather than later as it’ll get tougher to boost that average as time goes on, especially in the west when Shaw releases their wireless product by the end of next year.

Justin Credible

Caddman, you’re forgetting that over the next two years WIND will be expanding, launching new cities, and easily doubling or tripling their retail presence and distribution channels. 1.5 mil is not far fetched at all. They wouldn’t have been anywhere near 100,000 this summer without launching in Calgary and Vancity. Duh.

CADDMan

@Justin Credible

‘Is this possible, sure’, perhaps you missed that quote in my comment. However, regardless of how much Wind is expanding, you also need to remember that more significant new competitors (Videotron & Shaw) have either just entered the market or will soon be in the market who’ll not only put a dent in the incumbents numbers, but also Wind’s if their reputation for weak network coverage continues (remember, reputation is more important than what’s actually true).

Regarding comparing it to Fido’s network from 14 years ago (not 20 FYI) that’s like comparing apples to oranges because when Fido started wireless phones networks were still in their infancy in the consumer market. Today it’s widespread and very mature. For companies like Wind, Public, and Mobilicity, they need to have reasonably solid coverage in their respective Home zones now. Wind had a rough start due to their too soon release, but they are expanding and will hopefully solve dead zone issues sooner rather than later.

windbl0ws

with all these promos and discounts and credits, how much more in debt is wind going? there revenue is what, like maybe 10mil a quarter?

ej

First, your name automatically rules out you having any meaningful input. 2nd, it’s THEIR, not there.

CADDMan

Further to my above comment, in order for Wind to significantly increase their average quarterly NET customer adds, they’ll need to make a serious dent in the 3 incumbents’ quarterly adds which in Q3 2010 were the following….

At ~140,000 customers after 4 quarters (bearing in mind their first quarter starting Sept/09 was a write-off because of the CRTC ruling), they’ve averaged 35,000 net new customers per quarter. Good luck.

I was so into the idea of WIND when they were approved for launch. I was spreading the word all the time to other people.

Now, I am using the service and have realized WIND isn’t ready for mainstream yet. The reason? Coverage! You can complain about plan prices, phone availability, customer service… anything you want, but at the end of the day coverage is why I can not recommend WIND to people I know. I often experience no signal or weak signal strength.

I am willing to suffer a bit, for the cause (and the low prices). But, most people are familiar with older phone companies’ coverage areas. Until WIND can at least match the older service providers in coverage area/quality, average consumers are going to be really uncomfortable with the idea of not being able to use their phone in a part of town where they are used to getting a signal (even for cheap). A huge, reliable network is ambitious and expensive, but it is also mandatory for success.

Anyway, keep expanding and improving WIND, then I think the flood can really begin.

Justin Credible

Speaking from experience I can tell you WIND has a far better network (and larger) than FIDO did one year after they launched many yeas ago. And with Fido, you didn’t even have the option of roaming outside the cities until much later.

I cannot fathom how anyone could expect a new network to be anywhere as large as those that have been built for 20 years already…lol. That much should be plain as day because it is common sense. It takes YEARS to find sites, get permits, run through political red tape and build thousands of towers. YEARS.

Rocco StiffReddi

Justin how much does wind pay you? You can not compare fido to wind.. Wind bought the network and had it placed atop buildings no towers were built, they did not do anything but buy ” a network in a box ” that is what they did in essence. So to be fair you can not say that look at what they have done in a year. That being said they should have a rock solid network since what they have is so easy to configure. I suggest you find out what network they use and then read up on the literature on it. But in the end it is all about coverage. And wind fails there, it is about handset choices, failure there again, it is about freedom.. fail.. well if I am in a homezone and I stray 15 feet and go into an away zone.. that now by the location becomes a no zone how is that freedom? Wind is looking at a long hard road. They have issues internally, and soon on the legal front as reported by the windinsider. And now ownership is brought up again.. 1 year in and they still have spotty coverage. They depend on a report from the investor as to their numbers .. seems to me the smoke and mirrors are not working. 90 million subs and 1 billion in profits.. what does rogers have? and 2 billion in profits.. yes we pay more.. but its a business .. no wonder uncle swarie wants to dump this white elephant.

malingerer

This is net, Rogers: 211,000 (125,000 postpaid, 86,000 prepaid).. consider that most incumbent carriers are churning 12% of higher of their sub base/year.. that’d be approx 960,000 customers for Rogers.. so amortize that over 12 months, you get 80k, over a quarter 240k.. so gross ads for rogers in the same quarter were approx 451k.. it’s not wind the incumbents should be worrying about, it’s Videotron (and they all are worried about that) and Shaw.. along with other providers.. Deep pockets from other like businesses (in similar geographies) make for good competitors..

mistermister

CHURN at incumbents is NOT 12% – thats such a ridiculously high number

try more like postpaid churn of 1 to 1% and prepaid churn of a max of 5%

JAWG

Numbers are extremely way down…what do you expect.

JAWG

With all the incentives this is all they have,Wind will never reach their proclaimed quota of 1.5 million customers in 3 years and one important factor is overlooked…the Big Three in reality have not even begun to compete and with better service/networks once they do regardless of promos a few good phones won’t help GA.I was told off record that Mobilicity is also trying to procure some sort of deal for the future with VT in Quebec and whether it’s true or not that would be interesting to see what they come up with since it will effect Wind.What the Subscriber Total further lacks is that with Orascom’s debts the Russians have warned them not to waste anymore funds which means the Wind network will not see any vast improvements in months to come even if they expand and with TL not being able to find further financing their expenditures will eventually put them farther into debt including their promos which obviously are not doing any great damage to the incumbents.

I have a feeling that the only stable new entrant in their very small niche is PM and in time they will probably sell which may have been their initial goal for whatever profit they can make if possible.

Regulator

The resident Chimp JAWG checks in once again with his blatant misinformation attempts. Someone at Mobile Syrup needs to ban his arse. I am sorry JAWG, you have no idea who will or will not invest in WIND. You sound like you’ve got a big imaginary crystal ball selling wolf tickets.

Regulator the resident wind troll. Still surfing the net with your BS regulator?

No one believes you fool, everyone knows you are using many aliases here and at other sites like 5G’s.

JAWG

@Reg:

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease!!!

You are an ignorant fool,your only mission in life is to get me banned when I come on doing imitations implying I’m a racist and this is all you ever contribute…on top of that everyone knows you work for Wind and profit from them.Your insults aren’t even comical anymore and you sound disturbed.Do yourself a favor…get the therapy you need because even if you manage to ban people Wind will eventually fail.Have you lately looked into a BB outlet…ALWAYS EMPTY.

5Gs

Go Wind Go!

Regulator

@JAWG, TBR, AND ROCCO (ALL REALLY JAWG)

Let’s examine JAWGS logic (or lack thereof):

Yes JAWG, we should all bow down to your great(sarcastic) business knowledge, the lies, your divine knowledge of world (the imaginary one in his head), your insightful(for a donkey) predictions that are based on Google searches and hatred of other peoples.

Yes let’s all believe what JAWG says peeps c’mon! Why, well because he offers proof in terms of, well him saying it will happen!

Yes, clearly not one of the manufacturers want to deal with WIND except for RIM, Motorola, LG, Nokia, Huawei, HTC etc. Yeah thats right people, JAWG exposed them, WIND buys their phones from Rogers and rebrands them with WIND right? Or was it that little martians assemble bootleg handsets for them?

Of course the above is sarcastic, but the TROLL JAWG was saying this along with his bed buddy Rocco a few weeks to a month ago. NO ONE WANTS TO DEAL with WIND right? Not the 100k+ subscribers???? Not any of the phone manufacturers, not any of the hardware companies that sell the telecommunication equipments, tools, routers, computers, servers, etc. AND guess what guys, WIND has their own bootleg Blackberry server. Tony must have built it with Lego.

JAWG seems to think he is also Yoda and that he can forsee the future. Yeah JAWG knows without a doubt (100% sure!) that WIND or Orascom will never be able to secure any investors in the future.

Why do I say this? Well naturally because JAWG says so?

I guess JAWG is all powerful and all knowing, next to God-like afterall, JAWG is the man, and well so is TBR and Rocco and all his various bed buds!

Seriously, keep talking and making yourself sound stupid. WIND is here right now, forcing changes in the mobile industry, paying Canadians to work, and offering unlimited services at an affordable rate.

I’m not saying that they are perfect, they are a new company.

JAWG are you sure you’re in aviation because you sound more like a space cadet astronaut? Perhaps you should lay of the schrooms.

JAWG you shouldn’t speak about logic when this “sh!t is chess not checkers” (Thanks Denzel!)

MER1978

“Every day people are coming off their contracts with the big 3″

Yeah but how many people are like me… I don’t think I’ve ever had a phone that actually lasted for my entire 3 year contract… when your phone stops working and you have a year or more left… what are the odds you’ll jump ship at that point vs. getting a slightly less generous subsidy from the only provider that will give you one… in exchange for resetting your contract to 3 years?

JAWG

This should be easy!

(((@JAWG, TBR, AND ROCCO (ALL REALLY JAWG))))

False…each are separate individuals.

(((Let’s examine JAWGS logic (or lack thereof): Yes JAWG, we should all bow down to your great(sarcastic) business knowledge, the lies, your divine knowledge of world (the imaginary one in his head), your insightful(for a donkey) predictions that are based on Google searches and hatred of other peoples.)))

No one asked you to bow down for me although you seem to love bending over,plus people can do their own research instead of listening to a clown like you who claims to be intelligent when you actually have the IQ of a walnut and I’m entitled to my predictions which in this case are coming true just like TBR/Rocco…however the record against Orascom is self made by them and the corruption is well documented throughout the world through the courts and various governments.We’re still waiting for you to prove all your false accusations on us and the Big Three and if anyone hates people it’s you.

(((Yes let’s all believe what JAWG says peeps c’mon! Why, well because he offers proof in terms of, well him saying it will happen!)))

And what do you promote…a provider that is foreign owned and a corrupt overseas corporation.Your credibility is zilch and it shows through you uncontrollable anger seeking vengeance.

(((Yes, clearly not one of the manufacturers want to deal with WIND except for RIM, Motorola, LG, Nokia, Huawei, HTC etc. Yeah thats right people, JAWG exposed them, WIND buys their phones from Rogers and rebrands them with WIND right? Or was it that little martians assemble bootleg handsets for them?)))

Anyone who pays enough funds can eventually get what they want,you know the kind of business you probably run and good for the manufacturers to sell what they don’t need…but does that make Wind’s service/network good…no and even individuals with better phones like the Nokia N900 have said it’s total crap except your special BB.So you keep lying and pushing your propaganda.

(((Of course the above is sarcastic, but the TROLL JAWG was saying this along with his bed buddy Rocco a few weeks to a month ago. NO ONE WANTS TO DEAL with WIND right? Not the 100k+ subscribers???? Not any of the phone manufacturers, not any of the hardware companies that sell the telecommunication equipments, tools, routers, computers, servers, etc. AND guess what guys, WIND has their own bootleg Blackberry server. Tony must have built it with Lego.)))

Tony however never talks about all those who left and will never be back due to poor service and a just as bad network,the new numbers show it and their quotas are not being reached…still you can preach how great Wind is and con people to try them with lies.

(((JAWG seems to think he is also Yoda and that he can forsee the future. Yeah JAWG knows without a doubt (100% sure!) that WIND or Orascom will never be able to secure any investors in the future.)))

Honestly…I think you are Yoda…only a fatter version with chubby fingers.

(((Why do I say this? Well naturally because JAWG says so?)))

Nothing to respond to here!

(((I guess JAWG is all powerful and all knowing, next to God-like afterall, JAWG is the man, and well so is TBR and Rocco and all his various bed buds!)))

I never said I was all powerful and all knowing,or next to God which is an ignorant comment on your part…I just said you definitely aren’t.And yes TBR and Rocco are obviously smarter than you.

(((Seriously, keep talking and making yourself sound stupid. WIND is here right now, forcing changes in the mobile industry, paying Canadians to work, and offering unlimited services at an affordable rate.)))

Wind is forcing changes in your distorted view of things,any new entrant would have achieved the same amount of movement in the industry and again they are foreign owned by Orascom not Canadian…we’ll see how those Canadian workers are treated once they fail which many believe they will and Chatr offers the same basic unlimited services at an affordable rate with better service and a stronger network.

(((I’m not saying that they are perfect, they are a new company.)))

They are definitely not perfect and probably never will be…agree.

(((JAWG are you sure you’re in aviation because you sound more like a space cadet astronaut? Perhaps you should lay of the schrooms.)))

For someone who can’t spell you must be into the schrooms heavily.

(((JAWG you shouldn’t speak about logic when this “sh!t is chess not checkers” (Thanks Denzel!))))

You are really not worth responding to anymore and I may take a break from this because you are just plain stupid and boring.The only obvious racist is you and your tactics are pretty low which proves what you are all about.

JAWG

And to all the Fanboys that have come back to the Big Three/Sub Brands after trying Wind or even the other New Entrants including VT in Quebec/Western Providers welcome back home to your Canadian companies and thank you for showing what you really think of Orascom.

May your Christmas socks be filled with Androids that you can actually use on solid networks providing great service and have a Happy New Year.

Cheers!!!

Regulator

JAWG,

If your posts are so accurate and correct how come 9/10 of them end up being hidden? Because no one really believes the manure coming out of your mind for real!

Keep telling yourself you are intelligent believe your mainstream media propaganda. I frankly dont care who owns Wind. I do care about the dismantling of the monopoly based wireless industry in Canada. Only a corporate shill like yourself would faithfully pump money into companies who care so little about anything aside from their profit margins and not even question it.

The real sad thing here is that you are beleiving your own lies. Too bad mom dukes wasnt smart enough to use contraception when your conceived.

Rocco StiffReddi

reg you should care who owns it, thats the issue here.. well that and the terrible network, lack of handsets, terrible customer service, lousy support, bad network.. . When I said the OEMS were not interested in Wind I was serious.. do call and see where you can take your Nokia handset from wind for repair. You will be told Nokia Canada will not repair it. Motorola.. same.. Rim.. ahuh.. make the call.. then come back and play nice. All the links that you have been given no comment? stick to the facts, 1 year in 140k subs and outsourced support.. explain that go on

why are the numbers reported from Orascom and not GL? How is it they seem to ack like they run the show? why is jabroni talking about foregin investment? If you were a stock holder who would you invest in? Rogers or Orascom?

play nice little man..

in the zone

I think this is very bad news for Wind employees and customers…why ? 1-Orascom is having serious financial issues and their merger is not a done deal (google it) 2- At this pace they will never hit their target, why is it a bad news? well wehn you invested almost 1G you need at one point to bring cash in to assume your monthly obligations, salary, rent (stores and towers)etc Wind unfortuantly like others in the past wanted to make it big and now are facing the reality (Similar to Fido…) Put it this way service in 5 cities and only added up 35K news subs, you cant compare with the big 3 however all of the big 3 attracted 500K gross sub for a net of 140K in avg. Wind should have come in with at least 100K gross for a net of 85K.

Think Big someone said one day

Lindsay

I would love to join Wind Mobile, but I live in Nova Scotia.

I’m currently with Telus, I’ve been told that they roam on Bell’s towers, so I never know how many minutes I use.

I would switch to Wind as they have unlimited plan only if they had considered coming to the maritimes.

I doubt they will ever think of expanding to the maritimes if they have some coverage issues in Ontario and other areas they offer service in.

Terry

I can picture Wind going to the east coast. I imagine it’s in their plan to be in every major city within the next couple of years, excluding Quebec, and considering the population on the east cost, it shouldn’t be too expensive to have coverage in at least the capitals of the east.

Their main priority obviously is the largest population density cities in the country.

I also wouldn’t be surprised if they eventually go into northern Ontario since there’s a large market there with horrible, HORRIBLE reception for any carrier.

JAWG

@Reg:

Wow…4 individuals…COUNT THEM…4 individuals in each case got my above posts hidden and you’re bragging about it!Like usual probably you and your buddies voting or you repeating the vote various times.And do you actually think I care about something so trivial since only you do to feel important.I’ve never stopped anyone from responding and I don’t even have to respond as you make yourself look ignorant with all the constant ignorant insults that mean nothing.Just because a few fanatical Fanboys support you is insignificant and obviously by the new Wind numbers not too many Canadians agree with you.

And you don’t care about who owns Wind because just like Orascom you’re a corrupt individual with no dignity that shows in your remarks,plus I’m not a corporate shill like you keep suggesting to impress your teen buddies where many don’t even work and profits is not my game unlike yourself possible seeking the lowest common denominator just to get cheap unlimited even if it means supporting garbage.The sad thing is you and your lack of intelligence.

And if you want to continue making fun of my dead mother to make you feel like big man on campus go right ahead…in real life I assure you that wouldn’t be a possibility since you are a coward as I said like a few of your demented followers.

Luke

I had nothing but problems with Wind with reception calling issues in downtown Toronto…I could go about their corrupt dealings, but i will simply say, if you cant rely on getting a call, then what am I paying for?

kathryn

Where about are you in DT Toronto? my Wind is working as good as my previous Bell service, i am also in DT Toronto

Regulator

Jawg ia a joke

tbr

Reg aka 5fingerG’s the wind employees.

jayp1

I thought I would post on here after reading crap from Jawg. I used to work at Rogers. I worked in Wireless. I am a software developer that worked on the billing application. I can tell you first hand that Rogers outsources the development to an Israeli company. For anyone that says that Wind is a foreign owned company, that is fine. Rogers is a Canadian company that outsources there work to foreigners. What is the difference? I have had service from Bell, Telus, Rogers, Virgin Mobile and now Wind. I have had zero issues with Wind. I am saving well over $30 a month being on Wind. I have called support when I was getting my number ported and I had no wait time and excellent help. The porting was taking awhile due to Bell and the slowness from them. I live in area that is well serviced by Wind so I am happy. It takes awhile for the network to build out. I know for a fact that Rogers has a dead spot in Oakville even to this day it has never been addressed. Jawg, I have no idea why you come into a topic regarding Wind and you are so negative. Do you not have a life? Do you want all day for some to start a new Wind topic and you salivate or the thought of what bs you can write? Why don’t you either get an education and do something with your life or just jump off the bridge. It appears that no one would miss you.

jayp1

Luke, have you gone onto Wind’s site to indicate where it is that your service is not working? You need to let them know and they will address it. You can’t expect them to have the same amount of towers that Bell or Rogers has up.

Rocco StiffReddi

jay the network builder is a sandbox with lots of toys in it.. it is used to let you think they are doing something. I know of someone who has been adding the same location time and time again with no results. I think the big issue is why is it in a homezome I can walk to another room and then be in an away zone and a moment later its a no zone no calls out or in. I am in the middle of the home zone. answer that please. wind wants to be the next big thing.. but as a discount brand how can they.. no clout. they are a joke in wireless.. a new handset comes along and they have to sit and watch other carriers get it.. they just sit and look through the window. I am sure it stings. go onto winds site daily you read of dead spots right in the home zone then poof they are gone.. the posts are gone.. that is how they deal with the issue. I have said it many times.. if you must have a cell and must get the call wind is not for you.. business does not use wind.. essential services in the GTA do not use wind.. this is not news people.. cheap cellular brought to you by wind.

enjoy..

LizG

I don’t get why all these threads are being hijacked by JAWG. I have Wind and live in Mississauga near Square One, and receive reception both inside, and outside of my condo, all the way to where I work on Bay Street in DT and inside my office. Sure there have been some dropped calls here and there but I really do not see a difference in call quality. Then again I spend most of my time in between Sauga and DT Toronto.

jayp1

Rocco, I run a business. I am a self employed computer consultant and I am in the GTA and Wind works for me. Large businesses of course would not switch to Wind because they don’t provide service all over Canada yet but why don’t you take your Rogers phone to 3rd Line and Upper Middle in Oakville and see if it works. It won’t. Does that mean no one should use Rogers because they have a gap in there coverage and they have had it for 20 years?

Rocco StiffReddi

Jay I get your point.. but let me ask you this.. whats the cost if you lose a client due to your network.. and my example is not the only one I have.. dozens of home zone holes.. areas that say they are covered and they are not.. thats is my point. I do not have my own business but I can say this.. if I depended on my phone for my work it would never be one from wind.

but no need to call names.. google orascom in trouble and then make a pot of coffee you have some reading to do. ownership is just that lock stock and barrel. simple question how is it that Wind is always getting thier numbers from orascom? While all the time jabroni clains they have nothing to do with them just the money.. and the experts, ok the handsets, network techs. ok ok they run the whole show..

JAWG

@jayp1: (((I thought I would post on here after reading crap from Jawg. I used to work at Rogers. I worked in Wireless. I am a software developer that worked on the billing application. I can tell you first hand that Rogers outsources the development to an Israeli company. For anyone that says that Wind is a foreign owned company, that is fine. Rogers is a Canadian company that outsources there work to foreigners. What is the difference?)))

I don’t care who you worked for,whether you’re a software developer or not or what your knowledge is on any subject which is totally meaningless when it comes to this one simple fact…Orascom is corrupt and the proof/documentation is there through the courts overseas and registered government complaints of various countries that were issued against the corporation in the last 10 years that would fill a whole cabinet including police records.In regards to Canada there is no doubt that Wind is foreign owned,on that basis according to our present laws Wind in the opinion of MANY are here illegally which is unfair to our Canadian Providers/legit New Entrants and if not I challenge the PC’s to prove this wrong with a full investigation as we are entitled to this after the government caused this mess…I therefore hope that the Mobilicity law-suit will bring out some true answers and for all we know Mobilicity is more interested in bringing down Wind rather than Chatr who has a legal right to launch.If Mobilicity does win their arguments or Rogers loses then they could both easily challenge Wind and possibly that is their whole hidden motive.And NO Consultant/Techie/Whatever I know with integrity supports Wind and I’m glad to be with those individuals.

Furthermore,all Canadian companies can outsource services and Rogers is Canadian owned…yet how ironic Wind who is foreign owned shouldn’t even be outsourcing billing services considering that Orascom is supposedly a world-wide provider of billing software to cell phone companies across the globe and after a full year in business their on-line system still sucks with massive problems…if anyone is shooting crap it’s you.Plus the Israeli company has no criminal notches against it and your point is useless.

(((I have had service from Bell, Telus, Rogers, Virgin Mobile and now Wind. I have had zero issues with Wind. I am saving well over $30 a month being on Wind. I have called support when I was getting my number ported and I had no wait time and excellent help. The porting was taking awhile due to Bell and the slowness from them. I live in area that is well serviced by Wind so I am happy. It takes awhile for the network to build out. I know for a fact that Rogers has a dead spot in Oakville even to this day it has never been addressed. Jawg, I have no idea why you come into a topic regarding Wind and you are so negative. Do you not have a life? Do you want all day for some to start a new Wind topic and you salivate or the thought of what bs you can write? Why don’t you either get an education and do something with your life or just jump off the bridge. It appears that no one would miss you.)))

You sound a lot like Reg!

Nevertheless,you have perfect service with zero issues and are implying that Bell/Telus/Rogers/Virgin doesn’t…what is truly ironic is that the majority who have left Wind do not share your bias opinions and I’m laughing if you think Wind will reach their 1.5 million quota in the next 3 years with their poor service/faulty network which is one of the reasons the Big Three are gaining significantly.You may not like what Rocco/tbr/myself say,however NO ONE has proven us wrong and individuals have a right to hear both sides of story …not just FANBOYS who praise Wind out of unreasonable HATRED for Canadian Providers with no logic conning people to join and acting like an insane cult against the truth.I lived in Italy and seen what Orascom is like,maybe you don’t have a life along with your pals trying to silence free speech and most of you salivate when I come just making dumb comments which shows your ignorance…again if anyone lacks an education it’s you and telling me to jump off a bridge shows who the coward is again.

I’m always on route from Burlington to Oakville to Mississauga to Woodbridge to Richmondhill and Chatr works almost perfectly with only minor problems…the same definitely cannot be said for Wind in those areas.Simple fact…live with it or lie.

@LizG:

If anyone hijacked these threads it’s the Wind Fanboys/Impersonators who are so delusional they actually believe they are changing the mobile industry in Canada most without even working…I only posted once today and how many did they?The truth hurts and that is why they can’t control their anger…in public they’d be peeing their pants 1-on-1.

I must admit…they give me a good laugh.

jayp1

j**g, can you please provide a link for the documentation that you mention and the police records. Do you know that Rogers has foreign ownership as well? I am sure you are well aware that Rogers is traded on the NYSE.

If you do travel into Oakville then I suggest taking a trip up to 3rd and upper middle road and drive around there and see how your service is. I am not talking about along the QEW. I am talking about an area in Oakville that Rogers has NO towers penetrating.

You are the Rogers fanboy. You make it seem like such a big deal that a foreign company provides cell phone service here but you probably own a foreign car and have a foreign tv. You probably have a foreign made computer. We live in a global economy. Do you have an issue that the oldest company in Canada (the Hudson Bay Company) is owned by an American? Do you have issues with Walmart? How about McDonadls or how about the fact that both Labatts and Molsons are foreign owned. Tim Hortons was recently owned by an American company. Did you stuff getting your coffee at Tim Hortons? If you suggest that is is unfair for a foreign company to provde wireless then I think that is unfair for American companies to bring there retail stores here. I think Best Buy should leave and so such Gamestop and Walmart. Maybe we should get rid of every company in Canada that does not have over 50% Canadian ownership. I think a lot of people would be out of work!

jayp1

j**g, you seem to be a real tough guy calling me a coward. Next time you are in Burlington, stop by. We can find out which one of us is the coward.

tibbs

bahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah, your i joke.

tibbs

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tbr

jay, you are an i***t. You claim perfect reception that is the first giveaway that you are full of it. JAWG has posted many times the links you ask for so if you really care do some searching.

You are no business man or you are a poor one. I have my own business and I can not afford to miss calls from anyone so I stay with a reliable network, telus.

I think JAWG is right you sound like the fool regulator the paid employee of windy.

JAWG

(((j**g, can you please provide a link for the documentation that you mention and the police records. Do you know that Rogers has foreign ownership as well? I am sure you are well aware that Rogers is traded on the NYSE.)))

OMG…we’ve done this for the last 2-3 months…you want us to re-submit everything we posted before in all this time!?!Trust me…I was in Rome when Orascom officials were oficially charged by Police in the manner Wind was bought in Italy including dishonest politicians and all the other episodes of tax evasion in Algiers/teaming with murderous Dictators in Iraq and North Korea for profit/inappropriate usage of funds issued by Arafat in the Middle East/attacks on the media for speaking the truth/bribes/etc are all true and this is the same issue for many of us here…we smell the same rats in Canada.

I think the level of corruption this corporation has engaged in is more dangerous than foreign ownership/trading stocks,they far exceed our Canadian Providers in terms of dishonesty in every way/shape/form and this type of garbage will never improve our mobile industry where support is not warranted if you are intelligent since Wind never should have been allowed in the market…so I question the integrity of those that promote this company fanatically based on simple clear hatred for the Big Three with no reason or actual evidence of corruption against them and on top of that like lunatics ignorantly try to silence free speech by calling other people bigots to cover up their own racism.I have nothing against Arabs/Blacks/Chinese/any other races,in fact on the side I teach Aikido (6th Dan) to ghetto kids of all nationalities in Toronto where most of you would fear walking and my only beef is with Wind/Orascom.If Fanboys have the right to share their delusions then we have the right to express our opinions which are closer to the truth.

(((If you do travel into Oakville then I suggest taking a trip up to 3rd and upper middle road and drive around there and see how your service is. I am not talking about along the QEW. I am talking about an area in Oakville that Rogers has NO towers penetrating.)))

I tested Wind recently on a N900 from Plains Rd West,along the QEW to Oakville/Mississauga up the 427 to Woodbridge and on to RH and the service/network are still extremely poor (especially York University which is awful)…on Chatr there is hardly any problems with minimal flaws.This is Wind’s home zone and yet no great improvements after a year even though they are expanding.No one gets perfect service on Wind and those that claim this are either liars or using only one location.Plus some towers seem inactive or not even functioning after months.

(((You are the Rogers fanboy. You make it seem like such a big deal that a foreign company provides cell phone service here but you probably own a foreign car and have a foreign tv. You probably have a foreign made computer. We live in a global economy. Do you have an issue that the oldest company in Canada (the Hudson Bay Company) is owned by an American? Do you have issues with Walmart? How about McDonadls or how about the fact that both Labatts and Molsons are foreign owned. Tim Hortons was recently owned by an American company. Did you stuff getting your coffee at Tim Hortons? If you suggest that is is unfair for a foreign company to provde wireless then I think that is unfair for American companies to bring there retail stores here. I think Best Buy should leave and so such Gamestop and Walmart. Maybe we should get rid of every company in Canada that does not have over 50% Canadian ownership. I think a lot of people would be out of work!)))

I am not a Rogers Fanboy,I tried Wind/Mobilicity (although I found them awful also) and now for personal use I’m on Chatr which is great…if VT from Quebec came to Ontario I would probably try them also with the Nex1 and further support Western providers.And yes I own a Japanese Hayabusa motor bike/German car and I have nothing against all the foreign entities you mentioned,yet Orascom’s level of dishonesty/corruption far surpasses the companies you mentioned which is too damn obvious and this particular corporation should not be allowed in especially in the manner they entered Canada.We are not talking about coffee/department stores/anything else which is meaningless to this topic…the specific issue is the mobile industry in Canada which forbids foreign ownership and if the CRTC/PC’s have nothing to hide give us the full investigation we deserve.If not,you would be an i***t to support Wind as they offer nothing solid to Canada and luckily many are returning to the Big Three after trying them.

Terry

Have you ever been to the Zoo? You know those signs that say “Don’t feed the animals” because bad things can happen, like they want more and jump you or attack you. It’s a very easy and simple warning to follow.

Replace animals with trolls and you have a very very basic way to deal with Internet trolls. Feeding however is a way of describing talking to them.

So STOP feeding the trolls and they’ll go away.

JAWG

You guys can’t debate,you can’t add anything useful and you never have any proof for all the garbage you ignorantly claim to hide the truth when we respond…however you’re great with the insults/name calling/false accusations/impersonations/etc.You guys wouldn’t even make it in a zoo as the animals are smarter than you and it’s obvious who the real trolls are(especially Reg).

Side Note to tbr/Rocco:Did you see the new Sub numbers for VT in Quebec…now that’s a real Canadian company and how long did that take.As we predicted.

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Jackietoreo

Board looks new!

Jackietoreo

Board looks new!

CADDMan71

There used to be a whole bunch of comments on this topic. Did the new discussion provider delete them all?

Rocco StiffReddi

good point I think it just made wind look bad.. BTW why is orascom fronting the numbers when in toys words they are just the bank??

Rocco StiffReddi

So just to back track.. official number was less than 94k and wind said it was more then 100k.. so who is the liar?

chall2k5

id like to see what the big 3 have gained per city, i’d put money on it being less than the incumbents, their new acquisitions are in areas where Wind, Mobi, and PM havnt launched yet