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Trump's critics have called for his impeachment without ANY grounds. Stone's point is that if Trump supporters perceived that impeachment were to proceed without legitimate grounds there would be in violence. I suspect he's right.

Stone's point is that if Trump supporters perceived that impeachment were to proceed without legitimate grounds there would be in violence. I suspect he's right.

And Hillary would be worse.

Dog, why do you lie so much? Is the truth soo-o unpalatable to you personally? Or are you so dazzled by Trump's brilliance (gold! gold everywhere!) that you don't see what is under your nose?

Grounds for impeachment are well laid out. 1- financial impropriety 2- personal interests contrary to the good of the country 3- mental instability and any one of those should have been grounds for the Electoral College to not seat Trump in the first place, but the uber-partisan Republicans wouldn't hear of it. Now responsible Republicans are wondering if they do start impeachment proceedings before Mueller weighs in, will they get a 10X bigger basket of snakes with Pence?

Frankly I'm glad to see so many Republicans repudiating Nazism and thinking of the good of the country over party, but I'm disappointed that you're not fully on board.

-DSK

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Trump's critics have called for his impeachment without ANY grounds. Stone's point is that if Trump supporters perceived that impeachment were to proceed without legitimate grounds there would be in violence. I suspect he's right.

after the trumpkin uprising gets shut down....which will be fun to watch as the bloodied trumpsters are dragged off to jail.....i predict there will be a new anti-police movement called trump-lives-matter....

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Trump's critics have called for his impeachment without ANY grounds. Stone's point is that if Trump supporters perceived that impeachment were to proceed without legitimate grounds there would be in violence. I suspect he's right.

I've called for impeachment based on two grounds, obstruction of justice and violating the emoluments clause.

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Impeachment is the will of the American people and if Congress sees fit to go there, we go there. The Constitution describes "high crimes and misdemeanors," it is entirely up to Congress to decide how that is interpreted. If fatso's want to get off their wide body Barcaloungers and throw a fit about it let them.

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Trump's critics have called for his impeachment without ANY grounds. Stone's point is that if Trump supporters perceived that impeachment were to proceed without legitimate grounds there would be in violence. I suspect he's right.

Go for it, dudes! Trump has your back! You might be made a scapegoat, but hey, if you believe, and go down, the revolution will honor your memory! This is bigger than yourself! This is your immortality!

Go for it, dudes! Trump has your back! You might be made a scapegoat, but hey, if you believe, and go down, the revolution will honor your memory! This is bigger than yourself! This is your immortality!

Dogs often circle a few times before they shit. Some say it's because they always shit in a north/south axis.... I think that's incorrect, because my dog sometimes shits facing east/west, and sometimes north/south..... And he doesn't always circle before squatting.

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Dogs often circle a few times before they shit. Some say it's because they always shit in a north/south axis.... I think that's incorrect, because my dog sometimes shits facing east/west, and sometimes north/south..... And he doesn't always circle before squatting.

Ours circles before and during. Makes pickup at night, um, more interesting.

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Trump's critics have called for his impeachment without ANY grounds. Stone's point is that if Trump supporters perceived that impeachment were to proceed without legitimate grounds there would be in violence. I suspect he's right.

When I was in college the Republican Party determined that lying was grounds for impeachment.

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Dogs often circle a few times before they shit. Some say it's because they always shit in a north/south axis.... I think that's incorrect, because my dog sometimes shits facing east/west, and sometimes north/south..... And he doesn't always circle before squatting.

The reason they circle a few times it to knock down the tall weeds so their butts don't get tickled when they squat. They even do it when there aren't weeds. Go figure.

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The reason they circle a few times it to knock down the tall weeds so their butts don't get tickled when they squat. They even do it when there aren't weeds. Go figure.

I had a dog that would circle three times in a river, to stir up the sediment. He would then lay down, butt upstream, and drink the water filtered through his thick coat. I suppose that way he didn't get water up his nose.

Pretty much. The Gaping Orifice is understandably aggravated because she routinely breaks the main lefty Taboo by saying bad things about gun bans and confiscation programs. Therefore, when she denounces violence, she must be calling for it. Oh, and white supremacy too. Especially white Russians! EEK!

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The only two presidential impeachment trials were political, one was over a president firing a cabinet secretary (well within presidential powers and the other over lying about a blowjob. Impeachment, as it has been practiced, is a political process rather than judicial. Trump has said and done more than enough to be impeached but just hasn't committed enough of a political transgression to warrant the action.

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Trump's critics have called for his impeachment without ANY grounds. Stone's point is that if Trump supporters perceived that impeachment were to proceed without legitimate grounds there would be in violence. I suspect he's right.

Republicans were pretty OK with impeaching Clinton for getting a blow job or was it that he got a blowjob while under oath?

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The meaning of "high crimes and misdemeanors" can include a heck of a lot of stuff. The meaning of the world "misdemeanors" at that time meant "bad behavior".

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1788, Hamilton went on to say that impeachment was intended ''for those offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust.'' Hamilton added, ''They are of a nature which may with peculiar propriety be denominated POLITICAL, as they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to society itself.''

Hamilton's capitalization of ''political,'' more than one legal commentator noted, signified that the Founders meant impeachment to deal with official misdeeds of a high order, not with petty squabbles.

Or scandals involving assertions of perjury, obstruction of justice and abuse of power? Hamilton was silent on a point, for a change.

But he made it clear (in The Federalist, No. 69) that he and his colleagues did anticipate the possibility that an impeachment proceeding might embarrass the Chief Executive. One difference between the President and the British King, he noted, was ''the one would be amenable to personal punishment and disgrace; the person of the other is sacred and inviolable.''

The Federalist pulled no punches when predicting that proceedings to remove office holders in a Republic are likely to be painful and divisive for the country. That was only to be expected, Hamilton said. ''Is it not designed,'' he asked his readers, ''as a method of NATIONAL INQUEST into the conduct of public men?''

Essentially, an impeachable offence is anything the majority of the House says it is. Impeachment does not mean removal from office, as demonstrated by the Clinton situation, he was impeached by the House but not the Senate, yet it is correct to say he was impeached. Hamilton believed it to be a method of NATIONAL INQUEST into the conduct of public men.

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Trump's critics have called for his impeachment without ANY grounds. Stone's point is that if Trump supporters perceived that impeachment were to proceed without legitimate grounds there would be in violence. I suspect he's right.

Republicans were pretty OK with impeaching Clinton for getting a blow job or was it that he got a blowjob while under oath?

Well, a legalistic technicality: he was impeached for lying about a blowjob. Lying is bad. Imagine what would have happened if Clinton had lied about something important, like selling uranium to the Russians or running a kiddy porn ring in a basement.

Lying is SO-O bad that the Republicans have foisted off on the nation a President who lies constantly just to drive home the point.

Will he get impeached for that? He's pretty much innocent by reason of having an "R" after his name, fr a significant portion of the country's voters and legislators.

-DSK

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Well, a legalistic technicality: he was impeached for lying about a blowjob. Lying is bad. Imagine what would have happened if Clinton had lied about something important, like selling uranium to the Russians or running a kiddy porn ring in a basement.

Lying is SO-O bad that the Republicans have foisted off on the nation a President who lies constantly just to drive home the point.

Will he get impeached for that? He's pretty much innocent by reason of having an "R" after his name, fr a significant portion of the country's voters and legislators.

-DSK

Good point. Bill Clinton was Impeached over a lie.

Is a lie grounds for Impeaching President Trump? Lord knows we have a plethora from which to choose.

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Well, a legalistic technicality: he was impeached for lying about a blowjob. Lying is bad. Imagine what would have happened if Clinton had lied about something important, like selling uranium to the Russians or running a kiddy porn ring in a basement.

Lying is SO-O bad that the Republicans have foisted off on the nation a President who lies constantly just to drive home the point.

Will he get impeached for that? He's pretty much innocent by reason of having an "R" after his name, fr a significant portion of the country's voters and legislators.

-DSK

Bill Clinton was impeached for obstructing justice and lying under oath to a grand jury.

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Bill Clinton was impeached for obstructing justice and lying under oath to a grand jury.

He was a Democrat impeached by a Republican Congress, the lying was the best thing they could come with after spending ~four years and >$60 million investigating. And he lied about a blow job, period.

And Republicans want to screech "You unfair partisans, you!" at Democrats all the time. How about cleaning your own house? Maybe something about beams and motes is in order? But no, it's about power and money, fuck the country.

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He was a Democrat impeached by a Republican Congress, the lying was the best thing they could come with after spending ~four years and >$60 million investigating. And he lied about a blow job, period.

And Republicans want to screech "You unfair partisans, you!" at Democrats all the time. How about cleaning your own house? Maybe something about beams and motes is in order? But no, it's about power and money, fuck the country.

-DSK

I'm sorry to resort to reality here but Clinton was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice.

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The Paula Jones case gave rise to the circumstances between Lewinsky and Clinton. Two other charges one for perjury, the other for abuse of power, were rejected and were not placed on the charge sheet.The charges may have stemmed from the Paula Jones case, but make no mistake, they intended to damage the president with charges surrounding his affair with Monica Lewinsky.

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Oh, so we are cool with the "pattern of behavior" being part of the reasoning? Be careful, your Messiah has quite a pattern of behavior he's exhibited.

Yeah, I'm ok with pattern of behavior as a consideration in legal deliberations, not that it matters what I think. Don't get you panties in a twist BD, I'm just keeping it real here. Some posters, (you included) apparently think Clinton was impeached over a blowjob.

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It will be highly likely Trump will be subpoenaed by the GJ. In order to compel him to testify and not take the fifth, Mueller will likely offer him immunity. This is where it gets cray cray. If he lies to the GJ, that's grounds for impeachment and a criminal offense not covered by the immunity deal. If he is honest, he will basically admit to obstruction of justice and the immunity deal will protect him from jail, but not impeachment. I like how this is playing out.

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It will be highly likely Trump will be subpoenaed by the GJ. In order to compel him to testify and not take the fifth, Mueller will likely offer him immunity. This is where it gets cray cray. If he lies to the GJ, that's grounds for impeachment and a criminal offense not covered by the immunity deal. If he is honest, he will basically admit to obstruction of justice and the immunity deal will protect him from jail, but not impeachment. I like how this is playing out.

What do you expect will be the underlying offense they would want him to testify to?

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It will be highly likely Trump will be subpoenaed by the GJ. In order to compel him to testify and not take the fifth, Mueller will likely offer him immunity. This is where it gets cray cray. If he lies to the GJ, that's grounds for impeachment and a criminal offense not covered by the immunity deal. If he is honest, he will basically admit to obstruction of justice and the immunity deal will protect him from jail, but not impeachment. I like how this is playing out.

The House can reject any and all findings and do not have to impeach; it is completely their within their purview to dismiss any charges as irrelevant. States, however, are not likely to remain silent. Somewhere, and at some time, Trump and company will receive justice. Mr. Trump cannot pardon a state crime, and state prisons are hellholes, somehow, I prefer justice done right.

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The House can reject any and all findings and do not have to impeach; it is completely their within their purview to dismiss any charges as irrelevant. States, however, are not likely to remain silent. Somewhere, and at some time, Trump and company will receive justice. Mr. Trump cannot pardon a state crime, and state prisons are hellholes, somehow, I prefer justice done right.

What do you expect will be the crime?

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New York State will likely go after tax fraud, money laundering, conspiracy in computer hacking, conspiracy to violate privacy, loan fraud and mortgage fraud. The bad news is Trump is involved in many states, it should be interesting to see how many prosecutions he ends up with.

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New York State will likely go after tax fraud, money laundering, conspiracy in computer hacking, conspiracy to violate privacy, loan fraud and mortgage fraud. The bad news is Trump is involved in many states, it should be interesting to see how many prosecutions he ends up with.