"Jew Watch", Google, and Evil

Abstract: This report examines issues surrounding the high ranking of
an anti-semitic website, "JewWatch.com" for searches on the word
"Jew". The search results present complex issues of unintended
consequences and social dilemmas.

"Online searchers punching the word "Jew" into the Google search engine
may be surprised at the results they get.

In fact, the No. 1 result for the search entry "Jew" turns out to be
www.jewwatch.com. The fanatically anti-Semitic hate site is ranked
first in relevance of more than 1.72 million Web pages."

Hate groups are learning search engine optimization. That ranking is
no accident.

The No. 1 ranking of Jew Watch came as a surprise to David Krane, the
director of corporate communications for the San Mateo-based Web giant.

Such a page might not pop up for Google searchers in European
countries, where Holocaust denial is illegal. But Krane adamantly
stated that Google has no plans to manually alter the results of their
ranking system to knock Jew Watch from its top spot.

First off, I am going to apologize ahead of time for the people who will be offended by my comment. I am not an anti-Semite, and I hope that if you consider what I have to say carefully, you will find the same.

I am a proud Jew, but this sort of complaint aggravates me. It shows a very strong over-sensitivity. I realize that because of our heritage, it is natural to be aware of anti-semitism, but should our faith be concentrated on it past rationality?

Has anyone even bothered to notice what came after Jew Watch in the Google search? Some encyclopedia sites about Judaism, and a Jewish dating site. And Google is the big villain?

Google is not an evil conglomerate bent on anti-semitism, nor do I believe anyone who claims that the new owner of Google is an anti-Semite (unless they personally know him). If we are going to blame Google for showing the site, we should also blame Google on behalf of disabled persons for ranking Bent, the musical group, over bentvoices.org, a site for the disabled. Then we could also speak for the gays and lesbians, whose links site "bentlinks.com" was ranked third on my "bent" search.

My point is that Google doesn't choose what site is ranked at the top. Its technology does, and in this case, the first site just so happened to be anti-Semitic, and now we are all stomping around trying to blame someone. Who's to blame?

Google is based off a technology called PageRank. To explain it in the creator's words:

"PageRank relies on the uniquely democratic nature of the web by using its vast link structure as an indicator of an individual page's value. In essence, Google interprets a link from page A to page B as a vote, by page A, for page B. But, Google looks at more than the sheer volume of votes, or links a page receives; it also analyzes the page that casts the vote. Votes cast by pages that are themselves "important" weigh more heavily and help to make other pages "important."

"Important, high-quality sites receive a higher PageRank, which Google remembers each time it conducts a search. Of course, important pages mean nothing to you if they don't match your query. So, Google combines PageRank with sophisticated text-matching techniques to find pages that are both important and relevant to your search. Google goes far beyond the number of times a term appears on a page and examines all aspects of the page's content (and the content of the pages linking to it) to determine if it's a good match for your query."

Most importantly, please note this:

"And though we do run relevant ads above and next to our results, Google does not sell placement within the results themselves (i.e., no one can buy a higher PageRank)."

Jew Watch is not at the top of list because of popularity, it is at the top of the list because of containing more links. If big Jewish sites united and all linked to and from one main Jewish site, we could foreseeably knock the Jew Watch page from it's perch.

I take a different stand in this situation. Rather than futilely attempting to silence anti-semitism, which will probably always be in the world, why don't we encourage education about Judaism?

It looks like the preferred response seems to be a reverse googlebomb, linking Jew to its Wikipedia entry. Of course, wikis can be vandalized even more easily than Google can be bombed, so I prefer linking Jew to JewFAQ.

Others have observed that there's a huge difference in the sites found by searching Google for "Jew", "Judaism", "Jews", and "Jewish" -- which says to me that if you pick and choose among "synonyms" you could probably find similar results for other loaded terms.

I am a proud Jew, secular and mainstreamed. I am on a number of Boards, have run for state office, and teach Continuing Legal Education courses to attorneys in Pennsylvania. I am not overly sensitive and have never before confronted the possibility of anti-Semitism in my personal life, here in the United States.
That being said, Google's listings under the word Jew are offensive and wrong. Even if the lisitngs are protected under US Law, Google's classification is incorrect. Jew Watch, Ford's 1920s rantings, and Nazi and other propaganda should not be listed under the term Jew. Rather, they should be listed under Anti-Jewish terms such as propaganda, Jew Hatred, anti-Semitism, etc.
Thanks to Google, Jew Watch, the first listing under the term Jew, depicts "Jew Haters" as groups such as the ADL. This is total illogic, a world turned upside down.

I have gotten no where with Google, but I am writng to every author of every piece I see printed about Google. I am complaining to them about Google's classification under the term Jew.

In response to "Google Defense" idea of promoting education about Judaism I think a better idead would be studying zenophobia as a broad catagory that covers anti-semitism. Also study some historical analysis of the origins of specifically anti-semitism as it's history compares to other zenophobic reactions. I highly recommend Benjamin Ginsberg (spelling?) 1993 or 1994 book, "The Fatal Embrace". Also for a more current shorter discussion Stepehn Steinlights "The Jewish Stake in America's Changing Demography". These are especially entertaining reading for people who enjoy experiencing pattern recognition in history.
On another thought; last night on PBS the Gwyn Ifil program seemed to have only one participant who was Jewish. In the recent past Gwyn usually had three of the five commentators being Jewish.
Also it seems none of the the 10 or 11 members of the 9-11 commission are Jewish. Is something going on here?

I am the owner of Jew Watch. I cannot see what all of the fuss about this site being anti-Semitic is all about.

The site is a collection of clippings mostly, from Jewish owned newspapers, on subjects that are truthful. It is a definitive site for information about Jewry's sordid connections with communism, the USSR, and mass killings in the early half of the 20th century.

The Jewish people are guilty of holocaust denial concerning the deaths of 65,000,000 Christians whom they murdered in the USSR. The culprits were Trotsky (David Bronstein), Lazarus Kaganovitch (brother in law of Stalin and "butcher of the Ukraine), and Gingrich Yagoda and his Jewish crew (as written in Solzenitzhen's Gulag Archipelago).

Do you have a problem with the truth? Or, do you claim the truth, when it is about evil Jews in world history is anti-Semitic.

A comment about the "fun with google": that article is full of crap because the author did searches for "christian watch" and "muslim watch". The arguement here that "Jew watch" appears when you search for "jew". So the logical comparisson is searching for "muslim" and "christian" in Google. Those DO NOT bring hate sites.

Until late last month, when Google redesigned their search results pages and dropped Google Directory information from those results, the site's listing would have included a link to the Google Directory page for anti-Semetic hate groups. The ranking of the Jew Watch site has not recently changed, so this cotroversy is really an unintended consequence of Google dropping the directory from their search results, which was labeling the site as a hate site.

This is actually funny: The link "Zionism from the Invaded Palestinian Point of View", found under "Jewish World Conspiracies" -> "Zionism", links to a porn site. I didn't know the palestinian perspective on Zionism involved photos of 19 year old girls.

Yes, its an interesting issue. I am Jewish, and I am a programmer. Google is not to blame for having the site up there. But, that doesn't necessarily mean that they should not remove the site from that listing. Removing the site is a very contravertial dilemma, since Google can not start making exceptions in the results. I'd say its kind of a draw.

Anyhow, the bottom line is that the site is completely rediculous, and anyone familiar with history would know that. There could be some really stupid people out there, but I trust they would not take the site's sources for granted. It is overtly racist.

As for this "Frank Weltner", the owner of JewWatch.com: Even if the garbage on the site was remotely close to the truth, the mere fact that you think somehow you can blame me, being a Jew, for the acts of some other Jews based on the fact that we both happen to be Jewish is pretty much the definition of being a complete racist sicko.

I did click on the fun with google "J-W" link but didn't get exactly the results Frank said I would.
The anti-Christian site Frank says comes up first on the list didn't show for me. I had to click on
Franks link; "first" before getting to http://www.geocities.com/bogusjesus/. Either
Frank misled me, or I did something wrong or the google listing chanaged.
I know about Kaganovich, Trotsky etc. and have no doubt part of the motivation in their mascrews was Christian-phobia. That is only what Benjamin Ginsburg hinted at in "The Fatal Embrace". Still Frank would get a better hearing if he didn't thorw aroung numbers like 65 million murdered Christians in the Soviet era. That would have been a third of the Soviet population. If you assume the vast majority of the "65 million" died during the revolution, civil war, the Ukrainian famin, the purges of the thirties and some killing of repatriated soviet prisones immediately after WWII, then it would seem Stalin and company deliberately decemated the population they depend soon were dependent on to defeat Hitler

I would personally like to thank Google for overturning the rock under which Frank Weltner has been hiding. If we don't know from whence the threat comes, then we can do nothing to abate the threat. My sincerest advice for Mr. Weltner is to take his self-serving depraved propaganda from the view of our pularistic society and find another rock to hide under. What's a matta Frankie, you got the heebie geebies?

The owner of Google and other portals and search engines, in fact everyone should be alert to the fact that the proposition that Jews were responsible for the massacre of so many Christians in the USSR is invalid when one realises that every race or group throws up at some time a percentage of really evil people for whome there is no peace of mind until everyone around them is sick or dead. Freedom to destroy?

In their terribly sick minds everyone is their enemy, even their so-called loved ones. BUT THEY HIDE IT SO WELL!

If they are heads of state or have that kind of power they will commit terrible crimes or take their group to the brink of destuction, with their world burning around them.

Those sicko's without that kind of power use the media to ferment hatred amongst groups, remaining smiling in the background whilst ferment reigns. All the time pretending to be honest reporters of truth.
These characters have been operating for as long as man has existed, the internet being the latest vehicle for their insane and dangerous acts. Shakespeare pointed the type out in the character of IAGO, who in the guise of a friend poisoned OTHELLO'S heart and mind against his innocent wife.
Today you see these people in Germany, using the exact same lies on newer religions and minorities such as SCIENTOLOGY as they used on JEWS prior to and during WW2. They are even getting state and church funding and assistance for their wretched activities.

You will find them in most walks of life particularly in areas where they have control over people.
This is why you will find so many of them operating as PSYCHIATRISTS.
According to Dr Thomas Roder, Volker Kubillus and Anthony Burwell. in their book "Psychiatrists-the Men behind Hitler", Freedom Publishing, Los Angeles, CA90028, USA, German Psychiatrists were not only responsible for creating modern anti-semitism but also developed and used the gas chambers for killing off unwanted members of German society prior to their use on Jews.

My point is that these evil people are not so choosey in who they kill off. In point of fact they instigate and/or take advantage of any social or cultural problems in order to usuage their own nightmares.

We have to be alert to their activities and the owner of Google should be able to distinguish between honest reporting and the deliberate dissemination of hatred. You would not keep someone in your domain who was poisoning your food would you? Then why allow people to continue poisoning minds! Get the point. It's individual bad guys, whatever race or creed they're from

The price of Freedom is Constant Vigilance and we should not be made to feel guilty when we oppose these suppresive individuals.

It is becomming increasingly clear to me with whom I have issues here. As a technical person, let me offer the following. Think of Google as nothing more than a mechanism, clever, but of no intrinsic intellegence, whose sole task is to serve the requests of it's patrons. It cannot make value judgements. I, a computer professional, of Hebrew lineage, understand the technical issues and, therefore, respect the defensive position of Google, who's job it is to report as requested. It is up to us, the users of the service, at large, to deal with the results of our requests as we see fit. Blaming Google for acting in a socially inappropriate manner is, to use the vernacular, passing the buck and denying that it is our problem. IT IS OUR PROBLEM!

Once upon a time, there lived a young peasant boy with his family. Now, the family did not have much upon which to live, and the boy had few skills, but he had taught himself to read by seeking out scraps of parchment and inquiring of passing pages as to the meaning of the script. Thus, he approached the king, hoping to gain meaningful employment. But the king looked upon him with distain, and bound him and branded him and so made him a slave. Then the king said to the boy "Go fetch me my wine, and summon the dancers." But the king grew drunk and brayed foolishly at the dancers. In the morning, the king summoned the boy and demanded "Boy, what did you hear last night?" So the boy answered and said "My Lord the King made merry and spoke thus and so, and brayed after the dancers." And the king was ashamed of his own words and so he commanded that the boy should have his ears cut off because he heard the king bray as a fool. Then all the noblemen and ladies of the court consulted one another as to what the young slave had done that his ears should be cut off.

So the prince approached him and inquired of him as to why the king had cut off his ears. The boy answered and said "My Lord the King made merry and spoke thus and so, and brayed after the dancers as a common fool brays after a bar maid, and I heard all that he said, therefore the king has cut off my ears." Immediately, the prince relayed these words to the king, at which time the king summoned the boy and said "Why have you slandered the king? Now then, take him away and cut out his tongue, lest he speak any more slander!" So the slave boy's tongue was cut out so that he could neither speak nor hear.

The next night the king again made merry and the boy served him his wine and the king grew drunk and made lewd gestures and groped after the dancers and the boy saw all that the king did. The next day, the king ordered that the boy should write down all that he saw, for the boy could no longer speak nor hear. So the boy wrote down all that the king did, and the king was outraged. "Destroy this parchment," commanded the king, "and as for this wretched slave, put out his eyes and cut off his hands, lest he see and write libel against the king. So the slave boy's hands were cut off and his eyes were put out. Then the king summoned and had the boy set before him. And the king said "Boy, bring me my wine!" But the boy did not stir. "Bring wine, I say, and alert the dancers!" But the boy gave no response, for he could neither see nor hear, nor could he carry wine. "Wicked and lazy slave! Do you now rebel face to face with the king? Beat him fifty lashes and cast him out of the city!" So the boy was beaten and cast from the city. Afterward he died and his family suffered poverty, for he could not feed himself.

Hi there. Did I mention I've got an attitude when I see people get so worked up because someone says Jew on the internet? Well I do. I'm feeling they are no better than a Christian, a Muslim, or a Hindu. So when I kept coming across articles on blogs about Jew Watch. I did something all those who protested and complained how terrible the whole thing is. I went to google and typed in some other religions. Seems fair right?

Well these are the results I found on the first page when I typed up Christian Watch. Seems within easy finding is a page devoted to debunking Christ. Heck it's the first listing. Why those bad old assholes over at Google are gonna hear from me.

Next I had to do a Muslim Watch. Again we didn't have to search far for someone talking bad about the group in question. First link again. Seems the page is filled with anti Muslim links. Bet those Google guys are fearing Jihad now.

Well we can't let those Catholics off now can we? They do have a huge congregation and a religion almost unto themselves right? Well just in case I did Catholic Watch. Had to dig deeper to find evidence of anti catholisism. The third link. Wow deep digging there right. Of course they say they are Catholics. Just the new batch since 1958 or so has corrupted the church.

But we can't leave the hindu alone no can we? Yup. You guessed it. Hindu Watch. Now I had to go further to find this one. The tenth link. But boy is it a doozy. It's a page devoted to Islam, and seeking to recruit more Muslims. But hey isn't the plural of hindu hindi? Yup. Again off to Google. With a quick Hindi Watch. Second link down is a Christian Recruiting web site. If I were a Hindu I might find that a little rude.

So now that we have all got ourselves all worked up over this little Jew Watch issue. Please all of you throw as much spirit defending these other faiths. Or aren't theirs as important?

Yeah I thought so. By the way. Got tired of doing the Buddhist Watch thing because it came up fairly empty. But what the heck. Someone creative out there has to hate them so maybe next week right guys?

If you do google search for "Jew" half of the first page hate, or messianic jews or why you shouldn't be a Jew. If you search for jewish you see a healthier result. Perhaps this is because hateful people use the term Jew in a hateful way. I doubt the hateful could stomach the term Jewish.

Even Steven, your comparison is inappropriate. As another remarked above, you just have to type the word "Jew" to get "Jew Watch". For these other sites, you have to type the word "Watch" as well. Typing "Christian" or "Hindu" by itself will not bring up those sites. There's a major difference between the two.

Foe has a very good point - the major media outlets have totally ignored the role of the Open Directory (http://dmoz.org) plays in Google's search results. Google uses the Open Directory for its own Google Directory.

Although Google is totally automated, the Open Directory relies on people to decide whether a Web site is important enough to appear in the directory.

The fact that a hate site appears on the Open Directory gives it a higher ranking in Google. It's almost like an endorsement. If the dmoz editorial policy was to exclude Web sites promoting hate, instead of advertising it, sites such as Jew Watch wouldn't have the privledge of such a high ranking.

As much contempt as I have for the hate propaganda found on JEWWATCH.COM, I cannot agree that punishing the messenger is at all a solution or even a step in the right direction. Until hate propaganda is outlawed, I don't think it appropriate to ask Google to make those kinds of judgements. On the other hand, I have no problem taking issue with the content and purpose of such subversive propaganda.

Congratulations to all of you who took part in the campaign to remove jewwatch from #1 spot in search results for the word jew at google. Apparently common sense, letter writing, New York Times articles, and jooglebombing does work.

Here is the letter I've sent google about 24 hours ago. Given the removal of jew watch a couple of hours ago and my associative mind, I feel compelled to take at least a fraction of credit ;-):

I would like to express my personal disgust regarding your handling of the top search result displayed when the word “jew” is entered into your engine.

The horse manure that you are trying to feed the users here: http://www.google.com/explanation.html
would have been an excellent stance for a company which is trying to stay away from censoring content and remain purely a search engine.

However, given your willingness to censor your content previously for the Church of Scientology, Kazaa (Lite) and Microsoft[1] (as well as many others, I am sure) makes me believe that your unwillingness to remove the top link demonstrates your sympathies towards a clearly anti-Semitic cause.

The search results your site displays are fully under your control. The preset rating algorithms are neither ordained by a deity, nor are they forces of nature that all of us have to obey. Again – you are in control.

People come to your website to search for “the best source of information on a topic.” Your algorithms do a great job in pointing out “the most popular source of information.” In 99.99% of the cases the two are the same. This is clearly not the case here.

If your 9 year old son asks a librarian to point out some books on black history for his project, would you like the first book the librarian hands over to be: “Kill all n****s” just because a local nazi club happens to check it out often?

I can give you countless examples of situations where there is a clear necessity for exercising control over your content (and *ordered* links to websites IS the content you are serving.) However, there is no need for that because you already understand all this.

Regrettably, only the danger of being sued has made you come back to your senses so far. Too bad the Anti-Defamation League has other things to worry about.

______ _________, student at the
_______ University School of Medicine

PS: [1] somehow this: http://www.computerworld.com/developmenttopics/websitemgmt/story/0,10801,74566,00.html?from=story_picks magically appeared and disappeared. There is no denying, you can and do censor your content - even for smaller reasons...

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PPS: New York Times Article about the issue is here: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/13/technology/13google.html

I say goodbye to google too.
Being in a position working for a large company of at least 40,000 employees where i set the 'homepage' of all the end users pc's, i will have great pleasure in removing google.com and replacing it with another search engine address.

Not because im anti-semetic but because i believe censorship is a far greater crime and people have a right as to what they want to read.

Now google has started censoring what we read, can we really be sure anymore that what we are reading is really real, unbiased, uncensored information, and so therefore cannot be trusted.

Should we censor all the public librarys as well?
How about just erase parts of history like it never exists.

Heres some interesting 'uncensored' facts about Israel for your public library..

Did you know Israel has censored a citizen called Mordechai Vanunu who is an ex Israeli nuclear technician who is being released from jail after 18 years on Wednesday the 21st-2004, for spilling the beans on Israel's 'secret' nuclear programme.

On release from his jail term he is under these conditions:

No passport.
May not leave Israel for a year.
Contact with foreigners only by permission.
Barred from foreign embassies.
Media interviews not permitted.
Banned from discussing nuclear secrets.

Yes, incase you dont know or have been brainwashed, Israel has a live and well nuclear programme with around 200 nukes.
Its ironic that we look for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and dont find any while Israel refuses to disclose its nuclear programme to the world and prefers to keep it secret.

How can we really blame the arab nations as they would obviously see this as double standards and yes they are right.
Its ok for Israel to have 200 nukes and keep it secret but not for anyone else.

This is the kind of mentality that breeds hate in the first place.
Israel and the jewish state have noone to blame but themselves for thinking they are above the rest of us that they should be excused from the search for weapons of mass destruction.
And i cant think of anyone else as equally 'fanatical' as jews. The fact that they are allowed to have 200 nukes to thier disposal being so..... 'fanatical' makes me more fearful of them then compared to 1000 Osama Bin Laden's!

Thanks Vic, for turning my head towards the Vivisimo search engine. They do not tolerate Jew Watch being the top search result. No sir, they relegate it all the way to number 4 on their results for "Jew".

Rednecks are bad people. Not all red necks maybe but a lot. For instance rednecks are whiners. They are always complaining about how they have always been historical victims. And the red necks have so much influence in media you can’t get away from their whining.
Another bad thing is their love of vengeance. If they ever identify you as their enemy they will turn heaven and earth to track you down. They have been known to harrasse people for decades, till finally they track down some old man and haul him into court.
If rednecks get a negative comment from and authentic American hero they will start to libel the American Hero as being red neck phobic. I think this is one of their big mistakes. Thirty years ago I didn’t know some of the American Icons were “ red neck”. I think the older generations of red necks realized it would be too dangerous for them to attack these American Icons, so they just covered up any comment the heroes ever made that could be construed as “ red neck phobic”. I think what has now happened is the younger generation of red necks, having grown up in an era where red necks have amassed so much power, have lost all sense of caution. I expect it is this lose of caution that will cause the down fall of red neck influence in America.
Although they are often greedy they pretend to believe in socialism. Red necks for instance have historically been about half of the membership on the rolls of the American Communist Party.
Because of their Communist Party affiliation red necks often provided the most important spies the Soviet Union had in America. I would guess close to 50% of “Americans” who were recruited as spies by the Soviets were red necks. One red neck says a lot of red necks have dual citizen ship, mostly in a socialist country.
And if that weren’t enough, red necks continue to pollute American culture. They are big into producing soft and hard phorn. And they hate anybody who supports morality by promoting religion. Next time you hear about someone objecting to a religious display in a court house or prayers in school just check out who is behind the objecting.
The vast majority of the time it will be a red neck.
Despite all America has done for red necks they don’t seem to be willing to fight for it. There seem to be few to no American war heroes of red neck descent. Can you name me one red neck medal of honor winner? I’ve never heard of one that was a red neck.
But they aren’t ashamed to use media to make it look like a lot of them died in America’s wars. I remember watching a war movie on TV three years ago where the main character was standing in a war cemetary. One row behind him, and one row to his left was a different grave marker, a pagan Celtic cross among the rows of Anglican crosses. This was to give young people the impression that a significant number of the WWII dead were red necks. But if you paid attention, and looked down the rows into the distance, you could tell that not one other of the closest 100 or so crosses was a red neck pagan Celtic cross. The producer carefully composed the shot to include a close up what may have been the ONLY pagan red neck Celtic cross in the cemetray. This is the sutelty of red neck media propaganda.
And to top that off, red necks seem to think they should control American Foreign policy. More than one American War was fought at least in part at the request of red necks. Some people seem to think this is still going on.
A lot of them must be greedy too. Did you know that half of the billionaires in the world are red necks? This group characteristic probably also accounts for the fact that the vast majority of white collar crime in the US is perpetrated by red necks. And boy are they the champs. During the recent spate of corporate billion dollar swindles nearly half of the CEO’s involved and more than half of the CFO’s (chief financial officers) were red necks.
One of the earliest recorded instances of this group greed can be seen to this day on your grocery shelves. I think this may have got started by the United Daughters of the Confederacy at a bake sale. I’m sure it stared innocently but they soon got the idea they could charge cookie companies for the privilege of having their UDC logo printed on cookie packages. Over time the C in the UDC logo morphed into a circle that surrounds the U. The D for Daughters is usually beside the now circled U. I suspect the C that became a circle tp symbolize that as long as the Daughters remain United there is no escape from the circle of their power.
Later other red neck organizations, not wanting to be left out of this lucrative racket, started their own demands for kick backs. If the cookie and other grocery manufacturers objected the red neck organizations urge all the red necks to boycott the uppity food distributers who refused to pay kick backs. Or maybe they would just give the company some bad press about their products. One of the later red neck organizations that entered into this racked was the KKK. Their symbol is a K inside a triangle. A triangle has three sides, right? It also has three corners. This is how the red necks communicate in code to each other. Any red neck will instantly recognize that the K in inside a triangle is code for three K’s.
Later the red neck organizations got so greedy they branched out of the original cookie market and went in for other things like detergent, scouring cleansers and I hear tell bottteled water. For some reason by the time they got into detergents they dropped the D from the U circle D logo. If you don’t believe this rip off is wide spread just look closely at all the labels on the detergents, cleansers, cookies and a h—k of a lot of other stuff on your supper market shelves.
I could go on but you should get the point. Red necks seem to hate every thing about America. They so hated all other people that they referred to every one who wasn’t red neck with a slang term that derives from their ancient Celtic word for cattle. They seem to believe the rest of us are cattle. I’m not sure if that means they think we are to be abused worse than slaves or if it means they just think we are stupid as cattle or both. They seem to have some sort of covert left over ancient pagan rituals that pre-date Christianity in Europe. I hear part of their mythology is that Christ is in H—l in a pit of human feces. These people are worse than Scientologist. In order to displace as many Christians as possible they promoted as much non-Christian immigration into America as they could. This went on for decades. But now the red necks are beginning to realize there are religions that hate them as much as they seem to hate Christians. So now they are beginning to make films about ethnic groups they once promoted as replacements for Christian Americans.
We need to give wash out all red necks mouths with soap and then administer them a good dose of Sunday school.

I just heard about this site. Where is it? Why is it everytime I find out about some juicy contiversial site I saw on the news, I run to the puter and type it on and its not there. It was just on Fox Cable News Geeeeesh!

I typed "Jew" at the google prompt and got this link which I think is the right one

http://www.jewwatch.com/

I get this responce
Forbidden
You don't have permission to access / on this server.
I live in Florida USA if that has anything to do with it.

Where is this site? I am a jew by the way, I just thought I would take a gander just for a giggle at the rednecks and maybe put my two cents there in a forum rather than here.

Those people who get all carried away with hate mongering are simply a people who blame everything else in the world but them selves for being loosers. I personally mind my own business, I concentrate on my self and when I f**k up, I blame my self.

Also, in my personal opinion, all religious fanatics are dangerious. Jews, Christians, moslems, and al the rest, who are willing to die or kill in the name of religion are totally loony toons. I classify these anit-jew as "religious fantatics" also because they relate their hate toward a religious sect and their motives are exactly the same.

Got news for the rest of you also....all of you who spoke up and got this site banned "or something" very insecure. Remember when you were a child, you were tought "sticks and stones my break my bones but words will never hurt me".....well you didn't learn it then and you surly havn't leaned yet.

Censorship happens in many ways - sometimes its a few squeeky wheels that blow the whole thing for we who just want to offer a contrary opinion. You squeeky wheels are really beginning to piss me off.

Sorry about by gramar etc. Here are a couple of corretions to my
"Parable of the Red Necks" post.
Where I had (I didn’t know some of the American Icons were “ red neck”.) I should have written
(I didn’t know some of the American Icons were “ red neck phobic.”
Near the bottom where I wrote (make films about ethnic groups-- ) I should have written (make negative films about ethnic groups-- )

Also the last sentence
(We need to give wash out --)
should begin (We need to wash out--)

Frank Weltner, Librarian for www.jewwatch.com :
It sounds to me like your server is refusing you service rather than a search engine refusing to list you. If so, let me know when you are up and running again.

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Hi imsoniac. Guess that email address was ment for me. I like to read books about history.
I'm in a hurry right now though.

Here is a bit more about "The Parable of the Red Necks"

If memory serves me right, it was in about Oct. 2002 that two important red neck politicians were having an argument. Seems the first red neck pol thought the fat old red neck pol was pushing the Bush administration too hard to do nice things for red necks. The fat old red neck pol shot back, and I paraphrase here " We, the red necks run American and America knows it. " I think this was origianally reported in the Red Neck post or some similar sounding name paper.
I think it was also around this time the fat old red neck pol was under investigation for a multiple murder. One non-red neck who was in actuall charge of the dirty work of killing the people (these killings happened a couple of decades ago)was due to testify before a grand jury or something. Any way the non-red neck was mysteriously blown up in his car just a day or two before he was to testify. Case closed.

This is what it is all about. People of different opinions openly discussing their feelings and opinions in a public forum. Some of the opinions are polarized to a particular side and the others are leaning the other way, some are in between. The point is, without there being an opportunity to even have a polarized opinion we are no better off than the monsters of history like Stalin and Hitler. At least we have the right to voice our opinions, right or wrong. The only way to deal with the wrong opinions, instead of banning them which would make us no better than the monsters, is to simply not patronize them, do not lend them credence, simply ignore them. Freedom of choice at work, the American way. You can't remove or silence the crackpots, you can, however, choose to not listen to them. Give google a break and accept the sad fact that the reason why the site in question ranked so highly on the search is mainly because more people are listening to the opinions expressed on that site than are people who choose to ignore it. Now, by focusing so much attention to it, they were getting so many hits that it probably overloaded their servers capacity for the traffic. Way to go!

Here is another example how a few people are controlling what is we can say or hear in the media.

This site forum interests me more now than yesterday because I just found about, and a little late, that that "Bubba the Love Sponge" most popular shock jock in America aside from Howard Stern, was fired because of FCC fines. He has been doing his radio thing for over 10 years now and the other day he did a sketch with scooby door and because his content related to children's show with sexual content, it was deemed indecent by congress.

I am from Tampa Bay and I don't listen to him a lot, but I really enjoy him when I do. He reads through the national news every day and relates opinions on what he finds and tends to find those stories that would sometimes go unnoticed. He is a highly talented individual and a really decent human being, - I have met him and used to go to his NightClub in Crystal River Forida. He goes a bit over board with his skits, but his listening audience is 25 and above. I know this because his home is the local rock station, "98 Rock" and all the kids are listening to HipHop and R&B.
The radio station ownership, it used to be called JCor, can't remember what they call it now. Was levied a heavy fine because one person called and reported the fact that Bubba used Scoobydoo children's cartoon in a sexual parity to the FCC.
Back to the subject of this forum thread...I don't believe the people who are looking for a common enemy to the our way of life are placing their blame in the right place - that is if they are slandering the Jew as the site that I never saw, because it was banned before I got a chance to see it, has been alleged to do.

I think its about to time to round up those bible toting rednecks who are always trying to force their ideals down my throat and telling me what I can and can not read.

Hey, are there any good anti-redneck-Christian sites?????? Gona go look, hehehehe. If not, I think I will start it up here at google and be on the national news next week for a banned site, LOL

Well Frank. I am so interested in this story that I have done some research for you....
Here's good story from March 21 2002

"Google Yanks Anti-Church Sites"
WASHINGTON -- The Church of Scientology has managed to yank references to anti-Scientology websites from the Google search engine.

Story at : http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0%2C1283%2C51233%2C00.html

Link to Anit-Scientology Site: http://www.lermanet.com/

Now, here is whats is really funny part Frank buddy....type "Truth about Scientology" at the Google seach Engine and see what comes up, ROFL!!!. Its not suposed to be there according to the article link I posted, its not suposed to be there, ...... but it is......how can that be???

While I am on a roll here is another site that needs to banned for identical reasons yours was. Type "anti Christian" at google. Look at the second listing.....
here is a direct link
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/7027/patrobertson.html

Here's another
type "anti-gay" at Google and look at the first link "CRUSADING ANTI-HOMOSEXUAL GROUPS" which lists twenty sites that attack the gay life style. I am pretty sure that Hitler killed Gays also......

Type: "Kill Puppy" and check the second link, speeking as a pet owner, I think this should be banned from Google listings also.

Couldn't help but post this from the site mentioned above.
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"Anyone wishing to join the White Camelia Knights would have to declare themselves to be a Christian. We do not follow the "jewish" version of Christianity.

Anyone joining the White Camelia Knights would have to prove themselves to be 100% White. We do not accept race-mixing in any form that includes being part black, brown, yellow or any other racially mixed breed. Including indians and jews.

If you meet the requirements mentioned, send a self-addressed stamped envelope to P. O. Box 694, Cleveland, TX 77328. Give us some background information on yourself and we will send you a questionnaire. The purpose of this questionnaire is to determine if you are who you say you are. You have to understand that our enemies are always trying to infiltrate our ranks."

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Insomniaworks says,..."Mom, they wouln't let me playyyyyyyyyyyy, booo hooo! The only reason I wanted to join in the first place is to get the nifty KKK decoder ring, the "Today's Klan" T-Shirt."

Your doing a lot to keep this thread going. As to the Camelias not leting you play, my philosophy (if you can call the attitude of a 10 year old kid philosopic) was that if I didn't think I was treated fairly I never complained. Just picked up my marbels and went home, never to be seen again.
Here is an addition to my post of yesterday "The Parable of the Red Necks". My buddy Gene told me about this last night. He was in the Navy years ago. According to Gene during WWII Red Necks joined the Coast Guard because they thought it was a safe haven. There got to be so many red necks in it that the Coast Guard began to be called "The Red Neck Navy". That reminds me. About three or four years ago, one of these old red necks wanted the honor of being buried in Arlington National Cemetary with military honors. He never had served in anything at all in WWII so several years befor his death this old red neck, who was a rich guy, invented a fake war service story. I think he claimed to have been in the merchant marine. The merchant marines lost 5,000 men to u-boats. He seems to have also contributed a lot of money to Bill CLintons campaign or the Democratic National Committee. Can't remeber which. Any way, you guessed it. This old red neck faker got buried in Arlington National Cemetary. Later it came out that he had made up a cock and bull story about serving in WWII and there was a big scandal. I hope they moved his body. I think they did. How it is that red necks, who always seem to be able to avoid real service, get any satisfaction with having fake honors is beyond my comprehension.
P.S. I learned to write in "Parables" from a guy on another chat line who called himself side bar commissar. Side bar apparently was a Polish immigrant/refugee more than 20 years ago. That gets me to thinking about "The Fatal Embrace". I learned a lot from that book. I highly recommend it. If this thread keeps going I'll tell you some of the neat ideas in "Embrace".

So as you see folks, it's all BS. And with the population boom growing at exponential rates these days, finite resources ever depleting from our selfish human habits - we have nothing but more instinct-driven cults of personality, hatemongering, and intolerance to plague our collective psyche - wars, famine, racism, ignorance and absolutism to look foward to for many, many generations to come. Place two hungry packs of wild dogs in a containment pen with only one bowl of food and watch what happens. It's quite simple, actually.

The future's so bright, I have to wear shades... No wait, who turned out the lights? Those bastards!!!

We need to have more babies in the Western world.
the average white American woman has about 1.9 children. REplacement birth rate is 2.08 becuse of child mortality etc. The birth rate in Italy and Spain is about 1.3. Germany about 1.5. Wonder why even the politicians are telling us social security is in trouble? If you don't believe me read some of the stuff Ben Wattenburg was writng seven or eight years ago.
Don't think immigration will sovle the problem. Once whites are driven below a ruling ethnic majority all hell will break out between the minority ethnic groups as it does every where.
It's analogous to what happens when the alpha male in a wolf pack gets old and weak. The fighting breaks out to see what the new pecking order will be. You can already see it in low level political verbal and occasionally phsical conflict between blacks, Mexicans and Jews. Read Stephen Stienlights "The Jewish Stake in Americas Changing Demography" over at CIS dot org. This is a MUST read.
PS. tell me more about what you think about hate.
Phil

Phil White: I was having the birthrate discussion with a friend in the car the other day, because it was mentioned on the news. My reaction to that story was very different. Infact I found it quite funny that they would say americans were not having enough babies when in the Ninteen-Senventies they said we were having too many babies. Does anyone remember the "Zero Population Growth" campaign. They had those posters up all over television adverts. Other reliable sources told us we were running out of oil....and the ozone would be gone by now. I always though that we would be nuked by russia first, lol.

Jews,Yanks,Rebels,Negroes,KKK,Pollock, etc.These are all a part of history Just because one group thinks a word is offensive doesn't mean that it is to the populace. I think it is offensive for jews to keep bringing up the holacost. Hey how about the civil war and Lincoln's determination to ruin all southern life with Gen Sherman. What about the depression era that was caused by government policy. What I am saying every group has went through some sort of oppression.

You asked me to tell you more about what I think about hate. Hate is a buzz word in today's public media. In and of itself, the word hate is benign. Anger tends to maifest itself in short bursts that tickle your brain to take immediate action to resolve a challenging situation, but hate is a more subtle and perpetual component of that which ultimately becomes a person's consciousness, or physical soul. Both anger and hate are secondary emotions, arising from the need to survive in nature, and triggered by the fundamental emotion of fear. In what is commonly referred to as the "state-of-nature", hate is an effective means of ensuring one's survival by conditioning the mind to exercise caution when dealing with outsiders, those outside the pack, or in the case of the occasional lobo solo, apart from oneself. As humans evolved into sophisticated animals, capable of rational thought, innovation, and speculation - alas, we never quite shook our animal instincts. Indeed, our animal instincts are as strong today as they were in our ancestors several millinea ago, due to the basic fact that we are still animals - despite widespread pretension that we miraculously picked up a spark of divinity somewhere along the way to the modern age. I'm sorry, but animals simply don't evolve into non-animals. It doesn't happen. Although, surprisingly enough, we have utilized our capacity for rational thought to build a seemingly impenetrable buffer between the human estate and the afore mentioned "state-of-nature", furnished complete with all the psychological trappings of a "civilized" society. But does that change our fundamental makeup as human beings: who we are, the way our brains operate, our need to survive, the emotions we feel, and the need to protect ourselves and our loved ones (pack) from perceived outside threats? No it does not.

The key word here is "perceived". The danger with humans is that we know how to communicate, and we do it very well. And in case you didn't know, the human conscious is nothing more than a tape recorder. Any propagandist knows that in order to hear their thoughts resounding back from society, all he must do is play the "master tape" over and over again, while simultaneously removing any offensive "background" noises (i.e. hate speech), and before you know it the whole town's going to be whistling his tune. Some call it human phenomena, but it's pretty much common sense. Anytime we come in contact with other people, the topics of conversation remain, invariably, whatever we've read, heard, or seen in the recent past. These conversations and interactions with others is what inevitably molds us into who we are and how we think. By limiting the focus of intellectual input, you've effectively limited the focus (concerns) of society.

Humans are pack animals. We crave leadership. It's a basic psychological necessity over which we have futile control. On all levels, down to the family unit, we want to be with our pack in familiar surroundings, around familiar people, doing familiar things. Individual packs join together to form a larger pack when pursuing a common interest, only to fragment and fight amongst themselves once the spoils of the latest war have been exhausted. Those humans we classify as "loners" are, in-turn, harassed by the larger collective for their solidarity and since their mere presence is perceived as an outside threat, however slight. The only way to prevent this internal bickering is to join together against a common foe, temporarily assigning a higher priority to more pressing needs. The cycle, however, is unbreakable.

Hate is a form of instinctive mind conditioning that seeks to ensure survival of one's familiarity. A collective disregard for outsiders helps reinforce the 'pack spirit' and a sense of moral fortification soon follows, that leaves individials to rest assured their fears and concerns are echoed throughout the pack, further insuring their collective survival, which ultimately leads to self-preservation. Hate is exploited by all humans in some way to further ideals of both noble and pernicious origin, perhaps both at times. Persons of leadership, political, religious, and economic, are in a particularly favorable position to influence public opinion. Media outlets such as newspapers, televisions, cinema, the Internet, and everything else in-between aggregately paint illusions for us to base what we can only hope to be rational decisions about nearly everything we come into contact with. Sure, we can analyze and think think think as critically as our little brains allow us to, but if the information is already filtered before we touch it then such efforts are in vain. Our human propensity for hate as a survival mechanism, gullibility for brainwashing, fear of the unknown, desire to control others to further our own ends, and the frustration that accompanies all forms of alienation, is what leads to racism, religious elitism, shady political movements, cults, semitism, anti-semitism, and all other forms of collective hate we have today. And everyone, absolutely everyone has been guilty of irrational hate at one point or another. People who no longer hate have merely grown through it, and still harbour traces of irrationality. Such is the very nature of human existence, and it will never stop. Might as well get used to it.

Body Politic:
Thanks for the response. It pretty much agrees with my views. You seem to think some hate is rational. That's is also my mane difference with the PC view of hate.
Hate is dangerouse, as I once found out when a guy after my wife goaded me into a fight. Charlie was 4" taller than I. It is a necessary survival tool in some instances as you also seem to believe.
As to population control my buddy Gene agrees with you. Gene is pro-abortion, I'm pro-life.
A problem with ethnicly mixed populations is they often end up in a demographic "population arms race". Africa has been some what of an example of this.
The whole idea of making the U. S. into a tower of bable via the 1965 immigration bill was originated also as another ploy to "divide and rule". Now some people are begining to see the same dangers I've recongnized for years.

Insomniworks:
Hey, I helped out briefly distributing pro-birth control literature for ZPG around 1971. US white birth rate went below replacement in about 1974. I learned, will you?

First, for Google to remove the Jew Watch site from first position when you search the word Jew in no way relates to censorship. The site still exists, and if one wishes to view anti-semetic propoganda they simply have to search more specifically, as they should. The removal of jew watch from the top position when one searches the word jew simply makes for a more effective search.

I refer back to one of the posts earlier in this thread.

"If your 9 year old son asks a librarian to point out some books on black history for his project, would you like the first book the librarian hands over to be: “Kill all n****s” just because a local nazi club happens to check it out often?"

That book might be an appropriate reference if one were searching for a hate book. The same is true for any hate propoganda. If one wants to read anti-semetic publications then one should search accordingly.

BTW - If you search 'Jew Watch' on google guess what the first site is.

As a Jew I feel that our best defense against anti-semetism is education. Of course there are times when a good swift kick in the a** is necessary.

As a net-citizen I am not in favor of censorship, but I am in favor of refining the search process so that relevant sites and articles are returned on searches.

Someone posted here that Google took me out from ounder the rock where i have been hiding as an anti-Semite.

I have never hidden under a rock. I have a radio show, Jew Watch, and alot speaking engagements. I am as "out" as you can get.

The ones under the rock are the Judeo-Bolsheviks and their relatives who murdered 65,000,000 blue-eyed, blonde-haired white people in the Judeo-USSR which the Jews ran, something they are trying to hide under a rock, but which I have personally pulled out into the bright sunlight of public observation.

What the Jews did to those millions of persons whose holocaust they began and continued for more than 25 years, is now public record. You will have to deal with it.

The irony is that the Jews are the BIGGEST holocaust deniers in the world for denying the Jewish role in the Soviet Union, especially the top killing positions which they also dominated.

It is all on Jew Watch. Read it. Check out the sources. They are truthful, bonafide, and as ugly as the millions of people the Jews genocided.

Read it and weep. Then get over it. The Jews claim to be victims. No. WE were the victims of the Jews.

As for Hitler, he was trying to stop them from doing it to Germany, because Germany was next.

BTW, like everything else, Google is owned by a Jew. His name is Sergy. He is from the Soviet Union. He has to know the full story of what his tribe did there.

We will see in a few weeks, if Google is telling the truth or is lying about why Jew Watch fell from number one.

It is also interesting all of the chutzpah of Jews who claim they are for freedom of speech, then gang up to gag anyone using it to tell the truth about Jews and what they did.

Frank Weltner
www.jewwatch.com
the scholarly collection of newspaper stories about the Jewish USSR and other atrocities against mankind, including Anarchism which began the first world war when Ginvrillo Priceps shot the archduke. Yes, he was an Anarchist, which the Jew Emma Goldman ran from New York. Like most socialists, she was an Americanized New York Jew.

Time to pull her and all of the other Jews out from under the dark rock where they have been hiding. Sunlight on their names and deeds is very very overdue.

It is over, Jews. The truth has been out there a long time. Now, there are so many mirrors, you will never get it out of public conversation no matter what you do. Your carefully hidden sins against human rights have been uncovered and you are made naked.

While all the fuss about the Jew Watch website is concentrated on Google, how come I have been able today (3 May 2004) to access this same hateful website on AoL Netfind, Alta Vista and Dogpile? Who, if anybody, is trying to get Jew Watch eliminated from these and maybe other ISPs which I havne't yet checked? BRENDA LEWIS

While all the fuss about the Jew Watch website is concentrated on Google, how come I have been able today (3 May 2004) to access this same hateful website on AoL Netfind, Alta Vista and Dogpile? Who, if anybody, is trying to get Jew Watch eliminated from these and maybe other ISPs which I haven't yet checked? BRENDA LEWIS