League-wide consensus: An elite, affordable young goaltender with crazy upside for a barely top-ten pick? And they're stuck with a grudging and declining Luongo for the next god knows how many years? That's all they got? Holy shit, Gillis got fleeced!!!

Rumsfeld wrote:League-wide consensus: An elite, affordable young goaltender with crazy upside for a barely top-ten pick? And they're stuck with a grudging and declining Luongo for the next god knows how many years? That's all they got? Holy shit, Gillis got fleeced!!!

Rummy I do believe you've underestimated the hate factor of the anti-Canuck.

Doc, it's not just the Canuck hate. Everybody thought we got shafted here, even Gillis' pom-pom wavers (laughs at Spidey).

I just think this board tends to support every fucking move the Canucks make, and it leads to a lack of good debate and a whole bunch of mindless agreement and back-slapping.* Hence my awesome revival of the Luong/Schneider/Horvat conversation...

I just think this board tends to support every fucking move the Canucks make, and it leads to a lack of good debate and a whole bunch of mindless agreement and back-slapping.* Hence my awesome revival of the Luong/Schneider/Horvat conversation...

*except RD of course, who is, quite intentionally, the polar opposite

There's no doubt we got the shaft, maybe not in terms of Gillis being cornered and getting what he could get at the draft right then and there (okay, fine, let's go Horvat, I'm on board) but there's no doubt that MG's preference was to move Luongo and he couldn't; it was him getting cornered in the first place. He admitted it. So, it's a fuck up. I like Luongo, could have a great year, but this was not the plan, CS was the goalie of the future but MG played it poorly...Horvat may turn out to be a stud and everyone's happy, and RL may well have a stunning year, wouldn't surprise me, but this WAS NOT the plan.

Also, since MG said in post-trade interview he had a sense after the CBA was signed that moving Roberto would be next to impossible, why not move Schneider at the deadline when no one was expecting it, or earlier? By waiting to the draft everyone and their babysitter knew MG had to make a move by the end of the draft, he basically admitted it (and thus he's cornered), so move earlier, go to a team like Philly and say at the deadline and say, okay, I got your goalie of the future right here...let's deal. The answer could be, MG tried that, but I heard no rumors to that effect and usually someone somewhere talks...also, if he had pulled the CS deal at the deadline it leaves Roberto as the clear #1 right there, no questions, and he plays the rest of the season and playoffs as #1 and that question is done like dinner. And then we don't have this absurd situation now where Owner, GM and coach are making their respective pleading, on bended knee trips to FLA to get win him over....flowers and poker chips in hand. (that's not a critique of Luongo, but the process)

MG messed this all up, he's paid big bucks to be a step ahead, and he was a step ahead. Hopefully, Horvat and Luongo covers for it, that would be great to see.

I just think this board tends to support every fucking move the Canucks make, and it leads to a lack of good debate and a whole bunch of mindless agreement and back-slapping.* Hence my awesome revival of the Luong/Schneider/Horvat conversation...

*except RD of course, who is, quite intentionally, the polar opposite

Meh i don't think Vancouver got shafted if one looks at the going rate for goaltenders traded in the last ten years. They don't fetch much in return but hey don't let that fuck up a good story.

I don't know if there EVER was a market for Luongo. Gillis plays the media like the retards that they are. People put the media on a paddle stool but in reality they are as dumb as most of the fans.

Boston Canucker wrote:MG messed this all up, he's paid big bucks to be a step ahead, and he was a step ahead. Hopefully, Horvat and Luongo covers for it, that would be great to see.

Great summary Boston Canucker,I suspect we're in for a couple years of mediocrity but the potential is there for success. The team was thin in centers and the forwards weren't getting it done in the playoffs anyway, so maybe (pardon the optimism),this could be a positive direction for the team.

Rumsfeld wrote:League-wide consensus: An elite, affordable young goaltender with crazy upside for a barely top-ten pick? And they're stuck with a grudging and declining Luongo for the next god knows how many years? That's all they got? Holy shit, Gillis got fleeced!!!

Just finished speed-reading a few "Schneider Value?" threads at HF (pre-trade).

Rumsfeld wrote:League-wide consensus: An elite, affordable young goaltender with crazy upside for a barely top-ten pick? And they're stuck with a grudging and declining Luongo for the next god knows how many years? That's all they got? Holy shit, Gillis got fleeced!!!

CanucksCorner consensus: YAY!!!

It doesn't matter where I post or speak about the team. I support it 100% wether I think we are making the right moves or not. The fact that the team has had relative playoff success coupled with poor choices at the draft by management have left the prospect pool thin. This is the best we've had in years.