Comments on: On Math, iPhones, Android, and the 100K Phone Gaphttp://battellemedia.com/archives/2010/07/on_math_iphones_android_and_the_100k_phone_gap.php
Thoughts on the intersection of search, media, technology, and more.Mon, 01 Jun 2015 17:11:44 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.1By: Tomhttp://battellemedia.com/archives/2010/07/on_math_iphones_android_and_the_100k_phone_gap.php#comment-1842
Thu, 02 Sep 2010 00:54:44 +0000http://battellemedia.com/archives/2010/07/on_math_iphones_android_and_the_100k_phone_gap.php#comment-1842Apple announced 230k iOS activated per day, just as an update… And the comparison to Windows is predictable, lazy and historically not accurate.

Just because Android crossed 20 % market share it’s not set in stone to become an OS monopoly, what with all the other competitors out there.

Remember, just 4 years ago, Windows Mobile held 30 % of the smartphone market, while Symbian held the other 70 %. Both were openly licenseable, both are under extreme pressure today. In the end their market shares didn’t amount to anything as better products entered the market.

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Mon, 16 Aug 2010 14:30:29 +0000http://battellemedia.com/archives/2010/07/on_math_iphones_android_and_the_100k_phone_gap.php#comment-1841In all this conversation, an important point has been missed. Virtually all of these Android shipments represent net new additions to the installed base. I believe I’ve seen the statistic that something on the order of 1/3 of the new iPhones are in fact going into the installed base, replacing original iPhones (most of which will be retired). Thus, the impact on the installed base is much more pronounced than the shipment differential. And after all, it’s the installed base that matters if you’re an application developer assessing priorities.
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Sat, 07 Aug 2010 06:21:30 +0000http://battellemedia.com/archives/2010/07/on_math_iphones_android_and_the_100k_phone_gap.php#comment-1840Windows is the right analogy in some ways where it has a high market share but also in that it is the bargain basement OS. The WIN Os experience has been so devalued people are only willing to pay the absolute $299 minimum for an Intel PC with WIN OS but an Intel Pc with mac OS – worth an avergae selling price of nearly $1,000 more … and that is already true of Android. Note that Google says activation NOT sold but most Android phones are BOGO.

For Android users, it is the more akin to the LInux model – are there even TWO Android phones that look or operate the same (OS and telco skin wise?) It’s a fragmented modelw ith 10 OS flavors, 15 telco and manufacture “skins,” and 20+ storefronts.

While the general press think market share is the only number when it’s really maningless. While Apple makes $20 billion a year from the iphone, Google makes practically nothing and until they make back the $750 million Apple tricked them in spending for AdMob + the billion? spent on a “free giveaway” OS, they have a lot of clicks to make up to get back to zero.

What the typical person doesn’t understand is Google is ONLY interested in making sure the search bar works in the mobile browser, the rest – me’h … that’s why 90%+ of the Android apps are pirated and NO developer has reported sales of more than 50k or the security issue – they’ll yank it later but you’re on your own.

Android is a fine symbian replacement, it’s free and DIYers like it because it’s easy to crack – it’s Linux. And Google will make as much on it as Linux sellers do – it’s a hobby so the Android market is not the equivilient to the iphone – there’s no loyalty, the apps are homemade and not a professional sellers market and NO two Android look or operate the same … again, it should surprise no one as google’s ONLY INTEREST is to make sure the search bar works in the browser. The rest is like Google’s 25+ other ventures, a diversion that is quickly shut down.

Before calling anyone a fool don’t you think it might be good idea to do a little google search to see who is the biggest smartphone manufacturer in the world? And the maybe see who is the second biggest? And then take a good look in the mirror before shooting off nonsense?

Currently Apple is the third biggest smartphone manufaturer and mobile OS platform behind Nokia/Symbian and RIM/blackberry. Since google gave up making phones a short while ago, it only makes sense to consider them in OS platform category, in which the are fourth place.

So Apple has certaily never claimed to be the market leader in smartphone OS category. No hypocracy there. In fact, Steve Jobs said in 2007 that he would be quite happy if Apple gained 1% of the mobile phone market, which they have. He has said they never expected the app store to become such a success. It’s actually people like you making stuff up and inventing fact and context and blowing things out of proportion.

This is nothing at all like comparing Apple to Microsoft in desktop OS. What is this asking whether Google makes as much from Android as Apple does from iPhone, and then answering “most likely not.” do you seriously think there is a chance they are? Google doesn’t make anything from Android. Not a penny. They spend all this money and effort to protect their mobile ad business? From whom? Apple? Check the chronology of the events. Who was Google’s initial worry? The carriers? Microsoft? Apple wasn’t competing with google in mobile ad business in a couple of years ago, were they?

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Sun, 25 Jul 2010 16:35:15 +0000http://battellemedia.com/archives/2010/07/on_math_iphones_android_and_the_100k_phone_gap.php#comment-1838Nothing to say here except that Google’s PR and Marketing teams are about as worthless as they come. As both a marketing consultant and stock holder for many years, I becoming increasingly frustrated by GOOG’s inability to control the message.
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Fri, 23 Jul 2010 12:46:58 +0000http://battellemedia.com/archives/2010/07/on_math_iphones_android_and_the_100k_phone_gap.php#comment-1837If you are going to compare android to iOS then I really think you should take into account the ipad, iphone 3gs and Iphone 4G. The fact that you are denying Apples dominating position in the market is unbelievable. The reason Android is going to lose this battle, wether or not they sell more device based on the os (which they don’t”, is that the quality of apps will never be as good as the iphone app store. A developer has to take into consideration which android version he is going to support and make compromises so that the application will function on different sized screens.
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Thu, 22 Jul 2010 14:57:53 +0000http://battellemedia.com/archives/2010/07/on_math_iphones_android_and_the_100k_phone_gap.php#comment-1836A very similar story was posted to Fortune magazine last week.

I do not understand why you insist on making the argument that Apple is either wrong or cannot succeed, or is bound to fail. What is it they do that so terrifies you? Why do you discount their approach? Why do you automatically align your arguments to support Apple ‘opposition’ and play up the the value and sure success of Apple’s competion in various markets? There must be a killer MP3 player out there somewhere, right John?

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Wed, 21 Jul 2010 19:11:55 +0000http://battellemedia.com/archives/2010/07/on_math_iphones_android_and_the_100k_phone_gap.php#comment-1833The AT&T exclusivity means Apple can secretly charge between $650 and $800 per iPhone sold in the USA. If they were to sell it to Verizon tomorrow, Apple would have to instantly lower the price per phone to $400 like all the Android devices that are out there. Apple doesn’t like the idea of going from $500+ profit per iPhone to $250, that would be halving of their profit margins if they were to stop the AT&T exclusivity.

Apple fanboys need to understand Apple only cares about making as stinking much money as they can, no matter how many evil tricks they have to throw at their users. The antenna happens to be defective? Apple doesn’t want to do a recall, they’d rather give everyone a piece of plastic that costs them less than $0.50 to make.

Maybe some class action lawsuits will force them to do a global recall on iPhone 4 unless they extend free return/exchange for fixed antenna version to all existing iPhone 4 users. Apple can afford it, but it will delay international launch and hurt their image.Today Android is selling 3x faster than iPhone. By the end of the year, Android may be selling 10x faster than the iPhone. By then, Android will have taken over iPhone in worldwide market share.