Phil Dawson is Ring of Honor- good. Cemented his status as not only the very best player since they returned but also the very best kicker in team history.

Well in slight defense of their past kickers Dawson has had the most practice.

You ever see how kickers spend their time in practice? None of them should ever miss a kick. They have time to be proficient at their jobs and learn ball-spinning and cocking around skills. They're also easily and always the best euchre and card players because they have nothing else to do.

In all seriousness, Dawson is an artist. He's gotten stronger or at least maintained his strength while his technique has become nearly perfect. What that man does is truly amazing. Especially if you were there for the Buffalo game a few years back and this past Sunday's game in 40mph swirling winds.

He is the very best cold weather/bad weather kicker in this teams's history and maybe in football history.

I could take it by the bowl full and not be able to kick like that. Nothing whatsoever to do with technique and never making anything but perfect contact with the ball (other than when snappers and holders are fucking things up).

Same deal applies to kicking as applies to hitting a golf ball.

If I hit a golf ball squarely with perfect technique and swing I'm hitting it consistently farther than you are even if you're bigger and stronger.

I could take it by the bowl full and not be able to kick like that. Nothing whatsoever to do with technique and never making anything but perfect contact with the ball (other than when snappers and holders are fucking things up).

Same deal applies to kicking as applies to hitting a golf ball.

If I hit a golf ball squarely with perfect technique and swing I'm hitting it consistently farther than you are even if you're bigger and stronger.

1) You can't hit a golf ball further than me2) Phil Dawson is amazing, but Lou Groza did it in an era that was far less kicker-friendly. He made something like 70% of his FG's while the league average was closer to 50%. Plus, he was an all-pro tackle. When Awesome Dawson goes to the Pro Bowl as a free safety, I'll say he was better than Groza. But right now, I'll agree that Phil has been amazing over the past few years, while also holding to my belief that what Groza did was more impressive, relative to the time and position.

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I could take it by the bowl full and not be able to kick like that. Nothing whatsoever to do with technique and never making anything but perfect contact with the ball (other than when snappers and holders are fucking things up).

Same deal applies to kicking as applies to hitting a golf ball.

If I hit a golf ball squarely with perfect technique and swing I'm hitting it consistently farther than you are even if you're bigger and stronger.

1) You can't hit a golf ball further than me2) Phil Dawson is amazing, but Lou Groza did it in an era that was far less kicker-friendly. He made something like 70% of his FG's while the league average was closer to 50%. Plus, he was an all-pro tackle. When Awesome Dawson goes to the Pro Bowl as a free safety, I'll say he was better than Groza. But right now, I'll agree that Phil has been amazing over the past few years, while also holding to my belief that what Groza did was more impressive, relative to the time and position.

Precisely... because playing OT is what kicking is all about and has been for the last 50 years that Groza hasn't been playing.

You're a pud.

50 yards out, swirling winds, all 16 games come down to me and Dawson against you and Groza.

You're losing every single game.

If I want a tackle, I'll go with Groza or Joe Thomas. When I want a ball kicked, I'm calling Dawson.

Not Bahr, not Groza, not Cockroft, not Jaeger not Cofer. In fact, I'll probably restrict my thoughts to guys who played during my lifetime

And if you don't hit the golf ball square I'm hitting it farther if I square it up. Not to mention straighter.

Oh yeah.... another positive (in a Browns sort of way)... I think this team is improved with return to health of Ward, Steinbach and Brandon Jackson (especially Jackson) when they get back together in a few months for camp.

e0y2e3 wrote:^ that was before baseball taught us about the horrors created by PEDs

SD:

Did you miss the 70's Steelers , or is it normal for defensive lineman to shoot at State Police helicopters.

SoulDawg

or for someone like harrison currently on the roster.

either dude's an imbecile or he's shooting up.

Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

Love child of shawn kemp wrote:Lou Groza - 54.9% accuracy during his career on field goals including being at 50% or less during 9 of his 21 seasons.

While gotribe was a bit over the top with his 70% analysis, Sweet Lou was definitely among the tops in relation to his peers at the time. While Phil has only been in the top 5 twice for season FG %, Lou the Toe was in the top 5 in 14 seasons including 5 time leading the league. You cannot compare their actual percentage as it is a different era, and kickers are getting better and better due to practice and technique.

I'm with GoTribe on this. And, it's a little off topic but it relates...I keep reading about how Jim Brown is the best RB of all time. He was good, but until he hits a home run in a MLB All Star game, he'll never be the running back that Bo Jackson was.

motherscratcher wrote:I'm with GoTribe on this. And, it's a little off topic but it relates...I keep reading about how Jim Brown is the best RB of all time. He was good, but until he hits a home run in a MLB All Star game, he'll never be the running back that Bo Jackson was.

SD:

Jim Brown was also a La crosse All American , and could have played Basketball as well .

There isn't a sport you can name he couldn't play .

Let me know when Bo faced 11 man defenses designed just to stop him , when late hits were part of the game , and a man could have his fingers stepped on and the refs were blind to it .

BTW Jim also never missed a game in his career , and damn near never missed a play.

Shittsburg's playoff hopes took a big hit with loss of Mendenhall and now the rapist is limping around again. I know it's just sour grapes, but if we can't be in the playoffs, at least we sent them in banged up.

Sheard is off to a great start against the inbred. Seemed like he had the rapist on the run on every play. Lookin forward to seeing him improve into a dominant pass rusher that teams will have to plan for.

We know we need a QB. This is a good thing. We know we need a QB at the perfect time to know it. We have the ammo to go and get at legit franchise quarterback. No more cast-offs and third round projects. If we don't get him now, we risk getting just good enough to never be in a position to draft an elite qb to push us over the hump.

The first rule of Fight Club is: Don't tell Chuck Norris about Fight Club.

motherscratcher wrote:I'm with GoTribe on this. And, it's a little off topic but it relates...I keep reading about how Jim Brown is the best RB of all time. He was good, but until he hits a home run in a MLB All Star game, he'll never be the running back that Bo Jackson was.

SD:

Jim Brown was also a La crosse All American , and could have played Basketball as well .

There isn't a sport you can name he couldn't play .

Let me know when Bo faced 11 man defenses designed just to stop him , when late hits were part of the game , and a man could have his fingers stepped on and the refs were blind to it .

BTW Jim also never missed a game in his career , and damn near never missed a play.

SoulDawg

Brown never missed his bitches with a right hook or a hush money payday from Browns ownership either.

And yes, these facts are irrelevant to the point, which was what Scratcher was trying to point out above.....

Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

Triple-S wrote:where have you been all season on the Browns forums, JB?

I banned myself for repeatedly breaking the one rule for these forums. Didn't like what I'd become and really didn't see how I was going to change given how I interacted repeatedly with a handful of posters & the accrued bad blood. That's all on me. That's all I'm gonna say about that. I want no drama.

Triple-S wrote:where have you been all season on the Browns forums, JB?

I banned myself for repeatedly breaking the one rule for these forums. Didn't like what I'd become and really didn't see how I was going to change given how I interacted repeatedly with a handful of posters & the accrued bad blood. That's all on me. That's all I'm gonna say about that. I want no drama.

Well, it's good to see you back man. place wasn't the same.

Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

Love child of shawn kemp wrote:Lou Groza - 54.9% accuracy during his career on field goals including being at 50% or less during 9 of his 21 seasons.

While gotribe was a bit over the top with his 70% analysis, Sweet Lou was definitely among the tops in relation to his peers at the time. While Phil has only been in the top 5 twice for season FG %, Lou the Toe was in the top 5 in 14 seasons including 5 time leading the league. You cannot compare their actual percentage as it is a different era, and kickers are getting better and better due to practice and technique.

This was more my point, and apologize for being off on the #'s as I didn't actually look them up, just going from memory.

Of course if you lined them both up, Dawson would put Groza to shame. But in the context of their respective eras, Groza was extremely impressive, especially when you consider the fact that he played tackle as well. Not to go all Mitt Romney flag football on everyone, but I played TE and kicked in college, and sometimes I missed some pretty easy FG's in practice because I was exhausted and beat up from my real work with the offense. So can't believe Groza was able to play NFL football at an all-pro level at both OT and PK.

That being said, the Buffalo game was one of the most impressive displays of kicking ever, including Vinateri in the playoffs.

You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves-----Abe Lincoln

Let me tell you, if any of you douchebag empty headed stuffed suit nanny politicians tries to fuck with my bacon, I’m going after you like a crazed chimpanzee on bath salts. -----Lars