Reclaiming America from Illegal Immigrants

BTW, now how many illegal immigrants – and their descendants – live in the USA? See, there’s always somebody who was there before you. And the guys with the biggest guns write the rules that declare some “legal” (Oh luck! It’s us!) and others not.

They’re not right, Lord knows; they’re just the ones with dry powder and few scruples.

Suppose we post-Europeans will ever shake loose from thinking we own the world and call the shots?

Doesn’t it seem just a little barbaric? Medieval? Check out the related posts, just below.

I’m a young doctor who used to be an illegal immigrant. My mother took me here when I was 14. I am white. We ALWAYS paid our taxes. Today I have devoted my life to helping others.

1. Don’t stereotype illegal immigrants, they have different skin colors, educational backgrounds, economic history.
2. As a 14 year old I was not given a choice to come here. I actually did not want to… I was too young and naive. Now I can’t thank my mother enough for making this decision for me. My future is 100% that it would have been if we have stayed in Europe. But I WORKED extremely hard to get where I am now so I used this opportunity like no other.
3. A friend of mine was brought here when he was just 2 years old! He had to go back to Korea at age 21… He had just finished his undergraduate education and had so many plans for himself. He had never been to Korea before and barely spoke the language. It breaks my heart thinking about what he went through.
4. I am extremely fortunate to have become illegal and an US citizen. Many, however, are not as fortunate as I am.
5. The economy is bad, but don’t blame it on illegal immigrants. If I could go to high school, undergrad, and medical school with no money and as an illegal alien up until undergrad ANY American can do it!!! There are STILL many opportunities for those willing to work hard. Don’t lay on your couch and feel sorry for yourself because you lost your job and you are looking for somebody else to blame!
6. If you are uneducated, get an education. It’s never too late and it WILL open many doors for you.

and a carpenter with 20 years experience. Can not find work illegals work for less and take opportunities from hard working Americans. Illegals go back! This includes doctors. I was born here. This my country not yours, Go back to your country and make opportunities for people to succeed. I should get preference before you. I was born here. Thanks for sharing.

The part you cannot read is that I also have an education like you I worked very hard. I have two degrees in computers MIS, CIS and many Microsoft Certifications including the prestigious MCSE and A+ Network+ IT Project+ MCP and much more. I also have 20 years as a house builder/carpenter. The difference between you and me is. I was born here you were not and I should get preferential treatment over you. That’s right I said it! Like it or not. Chances are, since you were illegal and your mother was illegal you don’t care anything about what is legal.

Do any of you actually know what it is to be an undocumented immigrant? Do you know how hard it is to live in a country where you know you are not wanted and yet you still contribute to it? How can any of you make comments about this issue if nobody here knows what they are talking about?

Illegal aliens get welfare, free healthcare, and free schooling like everyone else but they dont even pay taxes! Al illegal aliens are criminals just for being here! Its against the law. They should be sent to jail or better yet be kicked out of the u.s. for good! Illegal immigrants dont contribute crap!

Really? The people who work in the beef processing plant have no FICA deducted on their paychecks? Those who buy clothing at your local Wal-Mart don’t pay sales tax that funds your schools? Those who have Social Security and Medicare deducted from their paychecks every week but will never be around to claim benefits from them are moochers?

jeizz, calling these people criminals is inaccurate. Immigration law is not criminal law, but civil law. No criminal penalties attach to it, no criminal record comes from it. It it violation of a regulation, on the order of filing your tax return after April 15 or loitering. I’d guess that you, like almost all of us, have violated the same kind of law; being outraged about someone else doing it is – once you understand how small a legal issue it is – is pretty self-righteous.

Joe, one familiar with law would tell you that entering the country illegally is a civil infraction, not a crime. It is not a part of criminal law, and no criminal penalty is attached to it. It is in the same degree of illegality as loitering or being late on your taxes.

So chill on the “ILLEGAL” alarms – unless you’ve never broken a law yourself, you’re just the same.

Ok so they pay taxes that doesn’t mean its legal. Not to mention there is still over population problems. The USA can only hold so many people. Then there are law problems like illegal immigrants don’t bother to learn laws so there is more crime. They also bring money problems because they send out money to relatives meaning that US money is in circulation but not in this country. So we print more money. That means more money witch means inflation making it hard for people with fixed salaries to get things they need. It even puts stress on people without a fixed salary. So therfore poverty. Look I have no quarrel with you. To each his own, but i do have a different opion. I apoligize for my rude behavior.

With all due respect, you have almost certainly blundered into quite the logical fallacy. Not that I support illegal aliens, but your argument does not loan much credit to your opinion (to which you are most certainly entitled). The entire world is facing the issue of increasing population. The US, while crowded in some areas, is perhaps better equipped to absorb a rising population than other countries, for example, India. Additionally, to support an ever increasing economy, America will need to continue to grow in population if only to have a large enough labour force to support such growth. Without a strong labour force, the US will never be able to remain an economic power in the world. Certainly our immigration policies are broken, but your accusation that immigrants don’t bother to learn laws seems irrelevant. There is little evidence suggesting that non-citizens (or legal immigrants in any aspect) are more likely to not know laws. Most immigrants believe very strongly in the need to assimilate into American culture, if only we knew what that was. To quote Tamar Jacoby, most of us have little “more than a fuzzy, feel-good enthusiasm for America… No wonder many immigrants have a hard time making the leap from their culture to ours. We no longer ask it of them.” If we can’t even define our own culture, how can we expect it of immigrants?
As for your taxes comment, illegal immigrants alone will contribute close to $2 trillion in Social Security in the next 70 years. That’s not putting stress on Americans if you ask me, considering they don’t even get to enjoy the benefits of the system.
I hope my argument has given you something to consider.

first off i was not talking about sales taxes but federal. And if illegal immigrants pay federal taxes then they would be discovered as illegal. OH SORRY UNDOCUMENTED. You really should learn the facts before you comment like that.

Ok, again! Look at the facts before commenting like that. How are you going to dare tell me that undocumented immigrants do not pay taxes. Like I told you in the former response, have you heard of the ITIN (Individual Taxpayer Identification Number)? Well these people use this number to pay taxes. The government does not know whether they are here legally or not, they just get the money, and that is all they care about. The ITIN is accessible to any person who is foreign born and is working in the US, they do not have to identify whether they came to the country legally or not.

Well you win. Indians let us use there free health care in the past. Afterall even though I was born here I want to pay out my ass for my great grandparents coming here on a boat. I’m a carpenter So now that I don’t have a job I have to kill and eat indians and mexicans to survive. Wish my grandparents would have known this is how it was going to be.

Mike – I’m sorry you’re out of work. I don’t think Indians and Mexicans have anything to do with that, though.

Rich folks are still prospering in America, while most of the rest of us slowly sink. Laws have been changed to favor wealth rather than work. When times get hard, investors take their money and go home, putting people out of work, while urging their Congress to cut spending on unemployment and healthcare – thus making the people out of work pay for the recession that rich folks created.

Many of them would like nothing better than to see poor and middle-class people fight among themselves, for there are many times as many who are not rich as who are: if they can be kept busy blaming each other, they remain powerless to change the rich man’s advantage.

A majority of immigrants and native Americans and most minorities and women are in the exact same boat as you are. Question is, will we ever all get together and mount a serious challenge to a system that keeps the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, or will we just keep blaming others in the same situation?

Hey Monte, can you really actually prove that “rich people are still prospering in America, while most of the rest of us slowly sink.” Is there some kind of quote or because I could really use this for my research paper. Thanks, and by the way “in 1989, the U.S. Department reviewed nearly 100 studies on the relationship between immigration and unemployment and concluded that ‘neither U.S. workers nor most minority workers appear to affected by immigration.'” Besides there is another incident where a decrease of illegal immigration was a HUGE problem. “Undocumented immigration in 2004 caused a decrease of workers needed to bring in the lettuce crop in the Western U.S. it caused a $1 billion dollar loss for the industry as many growers had to leave their fields unharvested.” If you could get back to me on that proving that rich folks that would be awesome. Thanks and Bye.

i would actually want to know if there is any proof for any of this. I am not saying it in a stupid voice. What I meant was that if you could actualy prove this then I would be able to rely on this and saying that undocumented immigrants are the cause for the economy. Thanks

Joe, I’m sure I’ve written on this with supporting data, but I’m out of time just now to dig it up. I suggest you search for economy and poverty and wealth on this blog. Also, I’d suggest digging around on an outstanding blog called Asymptosis.com formerly The True Conservative, for some very fresh views on wealth and poverty. Not sure what you mean by “undocumented immigrants are the cause for the economy.” My personal hunch is that undocumented immigrants have a net positive effect on us all. The same withholding comes out of their paychecks that comes out of yours and mine; the same sales tax comes from their purchases that comes from yours and mine. They are certainly not here to lay around!

Our ancestors were not illegal because the USA had not been formed and no laws had been passed. Therefore we were not ILLEGAL immigrants but merely immigrants. Illegal immigration does hurt the USA because for starters: taxes. When an illegal immigrant enters the US we are assuming he doesn’t register. Therefore he doesn’t have pay taxes unless he get a credit card or something simmilar. So he uses resources but doesn’t pay to build, help or care for them. Roads for example. We are paying taxes to fix road that illegal immirants will probably use. Second, IT IS ILLEGAL. Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, “Improper Entry by Alien,” any citizen of any country other than the United States who:

Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or

Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or

Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;
has committed a federal crime.

It is true that IMMIGRANTS help the USA by doing low wage jobs but with the problems that illegal immigrant bring the good they try to do meaningless. Now you may think of me as racsist but I am not. I am in fact a christian and I know that many illegal immigrants are good people but desparte to come to the US. Please try to get a visa and approval before entering the USA as it will make your lives much easier.

You should stop and think about all the illegal imigrants that work in companies that take out taxes, medicaide, and social security and since their not legal they can’t file taxes and get their returns. So all this money stays there and Now many people should actually be very thankful because we have immigrants here in the US. If it wasn’t for them, than the Social Security System would eventually become Bankrupt.

After many refugees entered America due to many disasters or even wars, only about 2.5 percent, had actually received public assistance. That’s only compared to the 4.2 % of the native born.

Sometimes it seems like these imigrants are actually giving more then recieving. Right now, among the US, there is no positive answer whether or not immigrants receive more benefits than they contribute? Again this is a issue that is still going back and forth, only because that there is no positive answer due to that fact that everything is based on how we measure cost versus benefits. Some of the benefits that immigrants contribute, such as sale taxes and incomes are still very easily measured. But what about going into depth of subjective matters such as increased productivity and the profits for business that employ immigrants.

-Cindy
It appears you are accusing me of not being informed. I don’t really think that immigrants are bad. I don’t think ILLEGAL immigrants are bad its just that they come illegaly. And yes you are right about the taxes. I merely made a mistake about the credit card. Anyways, you seem to be saying that immigrants help america and yes they do but what do ILLEGAL immigrants do for america? They use public resources that taxes pay for. Can you come up with a counter argument? If you can I would love to here it. You are more accusing me and saying that ILLEGAL immigrants help america without actually stating facts that support that paticular case.

As I stated in an above posting, illegal immigrants will actually contribute about $2 trillion dollars toward Social Security within the next 70 years. Additionally, I would like to add that many immigrants (from all countries) know how to write with better English skills than many native-born Americans, for whom English is their first language. Just a thought, sir.

I would like to know where it is you people are living? It must obviously be in a state that is not affected by massive undocumented immigrants. I happen to live in a state where there are over a half million illegal immigrants (I’m sure you can probably figure out which state that is). I’m not just pulling that number out of a hat either. This is also one of the states with the highest unemployment rate in the country. I know everyone is suffering right now, but the problem is just made worse by undocumented immigrants taking jobs that are paid “under the table.”

Now don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to generalize here. It’s not an all or nothing situation. Some people have come here legally, or even illegally, and are still doing the right thing, but it is those that have not that make others thing in stereotypical ways.

There are enough illegal immigrants in this country to make it a problem. The system needs to be changed one way or another. Make it easier to become a contributing legal citizen, or keep out the illegals. Either way is a drastic change, but something needs to be done, and you-know-who is just ignoring the situation.

Hate to tell you, but you are so wrong. First let me correct you with the terminology, the term is not “illegal immigrant” but undocumented immigrant. Next, UNDOCUMENTED immigrants do pay taxes. Have you ever heard of the sales taxes on objects you buy on a rergular basis? Well yeah undocumented immigrants pay those just like anyone. Additionally they do pay federal and state taxes if you are not informed. A vast majority of the undocumented population has either and ITIN number ,or a fake social security number,which allow them to file in and pay taxes, yet get no refund. It is reported that the social security administration has withholded aproximately $420 billion, in taxes the undocumented population can’t claim back. Furthermore, the undocumented population is not even eligible to receive the vast majority of state or federal benefits, so what’s on the claim that they use the US’s resources?
You should really watch what you say, and make sure you got the true figures before you comment like that.

Karen, how right you are! The point of the cartoon is not to criticize Hispanic workers, but to criticize those who are negative toward them, by pointing out that white people’s ancestors were illegal immigrants on Native American property. Thus, those who are critical of Hispanic immigrants are being hypocritical, and the Indian Chief is offering to help the white people pack and go back to Europe.

interesting thought, given that if one would get technical as declaring land to a set of people, from a scientific and historical perspective if homosapien evolution came from Africa, then everyone outside of Africa is not in their natural location

I agree. Land is land and SHOULD be shared equally. Unfortunately for everyone that will never be the case. There has always been someone seeking that greater power. That is what reality is, and what we live with. Even with a revolution that some talk about, there is a power struggle there as well. It is that system of checks and balances that we get the fairest outcome, but that unfortunately has become corrupted as well.

I personally do not see a way out, but then again, I’m not an expert in the political system either, never will claim to be.