O’Mara Seeks to Vilify Trayvon Martin

As the second degree murder case of 17 year old Trayvon Martin takes it’s predictable course GEORGE ZIMMERMAN’s attorney Mark O’Mara has finally gained access to Trayvon Martin’s school records. To the delight of GEORGE ZIMMERMAN’s donators, Mark O’Mara has fulfilled their dying wish to vilify Zimmerman’s victim by exposing his high school behavior and juvenile Tweets in order to convince Zimmerman’s supporters into believing that he actually has a defense.
Although it’s unlikely that Trayvon Martin’s school records and behavior played any part in his death, it’s still Zimmerman’s right to petition them as an option and to possibly use them as part of his defense strategy.

Mark O’Mara, the once well-respected attorney, who was hired by Zimmerman, could soon ruin his good reputation in the minds of many and more importantly, his peers. Every knowledgeable attorney knows that this door swings both ways and opening up the door to the victim’s past, in turns opens the door to the accused.

When weighing all of the circumstantial and forensic evidence against GEORGE ZIMMERMAN I highly doubt his past discretions will survive public scrutiny or a panel of six jurors. GEORGE ZIMMERMAN has been held on a retraining order by his ex-fiancé and has a criminal record for attacking a police officer during a nightclub sting operation. He’s also known to harass and bully his co-workers. One was a co-worker from the Mid-East. Read his complaint letter here.

The mere contemplation of using the victim’s school records in order to make it appear that killing an unarmed teenager justifiable is mundane and implies a desperate defense. I expected much more from Golden Boy O’Mara. Clearly O’Mara is using the media to pander for funds once again, something that didn’t go unnoticed by the sharp wits of Asst. State attorney Bernie de la Rionda.
De la Rionda says he’ll plea to Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson to have all of Zimmerman’s future subpoenas sealed to avoid what he called “chumming the waters” and causing the Zimmerman supporters to go into a blissful frenzy.
A hearing is set for Oct 19 to hear O’Mara and De la Rionda’s arguments as to what to do about Trayvon Martin’s school records. Normally such information is not subject to public release because Trayvon, barely 17 years old is a minor. Laws generally protect minors.

More Evidence Against Neighborhood Watch Guy

A few days ago, in the second degree murder of Trayvon Martin, the State of Florida released more discovery and possible evidence against the gun-packing neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman

The Florida state crime lab discovered that the gun, a Kel tec 9mm used to kill 17 year old Trayvon Martin, did not reveal any evidence that Trayvon touched it as George Zimmerman related to his best friend and confidante Mark Osterman.

Trayvon Martin grabbed his killer’s gun just moments before he died and uttered a profanity laced threat in a desperate life or death struggle. George Zimmerman clutched Trayvon’s wrist, broke his grip on the semi-automatic firearm and shot him once in the chest.

State forensic scientists checked the grip, trigger, slide and holster searching for any trace of Trayvon Martin’s DNA to no avail, however they did find Zimmerman’s DNA and another unidentifiable DNA. No determination could be made on the holster.
Retired defense attorney and law professor Fred Leatherman, who hosts and owns a legally informative blog has written several in-depth articles covering this case. In one of his recent articles he addresses DNA and other compelling evidence pertaining to the shooting of Trayvon Martin.

Minutes after the shooting, Mark Osterman picked up Zimmerman’s wife Shellie to bring her to the crime scene as a show of support for his shooting buddy George Zimmerman.
Mark Osterman and his wife Sondra quickly packed up the Zimmermans to hide them out at their home the very next day of the shooting. Why would they fear community outrage when the shooting had not yet hit the media unless they had a reason to panic?

There’s no doubt that the Zimmermans’ and Ostermans’ were close. Sondra Osterman is said to have conducted the marital ceremony for the Zimmerman’s although there’s no mention of what gave her the credentials to do so.
George Zimmerman had no reason to lie to Mark Osterman and more reason to lie to law enforcement which is what he did in several interviews and reenactment with Sanford detectives Serino and Singleton. Apparently lying comes easy for GEORGE ZIMMERMAN. He’ll lie to anyone — best friends are no exception.

Hopefully, at trial Shellie Zimmerman, who’s now facing perjury charges for trying to help her husband qualify for a reduced bond will tell the truth at trial thus proving once again her husband George Zimmerman is a prolific liar.

More happenings and events…

No verdict yet for Shellie Zimmerman who through her attorney Kelly Sims plead not guilty to perjury in a money hiding scheme to help her husband George. As she awaits the verdict, her mother, Machelle Dean was arrested on August 8 after other drivers saw her swerving in and out of the lanes on State Road 415 in New Symma Beach. She allegedly took at least two tablets of hydrocodone, a pain medication before she got behind the wheel of her car. Her case is pending as well on charges of DUI.

Pictures of Mark Osterman were released placing him at a nearby bank getting money at an ATM during the crucial time when GEORGE ZIMMERMAN was stalking Trayvon Martin.
The pictures are time stamped 02/26/2012 @ 18.37:02.27 or 6:28pm

George’s brother Robert Zimmerman Jr. has recently penned a letter trying to salvage what’s left of his family’s reputation. He read it aloud in an interview on “Good Day LA“.

Robert Zimmerman goes on to say that his brother George was not part of a Neighborhood Watch program yet that’s not what his brother said in an interview with detective Singleton nor what the FBI reported in the 284 pages of discovery released July 12.
Note:

On page 112 of the 7-12 Discovery doc dump — in the FBI report — referring to a neighbor — it reads:
Paraphrasing: On April 5, 2012, the writer spoke with XXX via telephone in reference to a neighborhood canvas of RVC, GZ told her boyfriend about Zimmerman introducing himself as the “Neighborhood Watch Captain” …
Page 130:
In August of 2011, XXX was present at a board meeting when Zimmerman requested permission to use the clubhouse to coordinate the first neighborhood watch meeting. The board granted Zimmerman permission to use the clubhouse and waived the clubhouse rental fee..
Next.. Page 130:
XXX provided two Retreat At Twin Lakes HOA Newsletters. The newsletters both have a section dedicated to updating the community of the neighborhood watch program. The contact email for the neighborhood watch is listed as xxRTLNeighborhoodWatch@gmail.com. Zimmerman’s telephone number is listed

Either Robert Zimmerman Jr.
is not well informed
Or
He’s simply just another lying Zimmerman.

My main objective is not to continually prove George Zimmerman a liar. The point I’m trying to make is when the only survivor of the alleged scuffle is George, then his word must be golden. If we can’t trust his word, than he has no defense.

When he can’t get his story straight, chances are he’s lying. Not that a liar makes a murderer but when the evidence doesn’t exactly fit his claims then he’d best be truthful about every other aspect of his life, if not he has no defense. He’s given us no reason to believe him. From the 911 call, his contempt for this young boy Trayvon Martin, as he jumped out of vehicle to follow him is undeniable. Before believing a liar, I prefer to rely on the 911 call for truth.

177 Comments:

Thread open for discussion of the latest evidence involving GZ. I’m looking forward to Oct 19 to see how Judge Debra Nelson handles O’Mara and George. I hear she’s a no non-sense judge so it ought to be good.

You are correct that a liar doesn’t make a murderer. Law enforcement will tell us however, that all thieves are liars. Zimmermeth is a thief. He requested that other people give him money for his legal defense and living expenses. They did, and he used about $38,000 of it to pay off his pre 2/26/12 personal debts, including paying back his parents for loans!!!

Not only is O’Mara causing a major embarrassment to himself and GZ by attempting to place a dead child on trial, Junior insults the intelligence of the American public by contradicting what the State already has evidence to support. In discovery materials, prosecutors went back to HOA newsletters sent out in June or July 2011. In one, it was announced that the HOA agreed to pay the SPD to conduct extra patrols in RTL for traffic and HOA violations.

In August 2011, GZ was ringing doorbells with a clipboard, asking residents if they were interested in organizing a NW. In September 2011, NW was organized with GZ arranging for a community officer to address residents and lay out the rules. He sent her emails, which are also entered into discovery.

I suppose that GZ believed that he could create a job for himself. Why pay the SPD when the HOA could pay him? Only one problem. Being an un-deputized nobody, GZ could not issue tickets or citations. Still, he had to show them that he could do a better job of patrolling the area than the SPD was doing. His first call to NEN in his NW capacity was to report an open garage door.

Does that remind you for what he did and the reason he was terminated from CarMax?

Thank you Xena,
I wish I had more to say than George is liar. I’m amazed by it all. I’m amazed that seemingly intelligent people are willing to ignore them when there’s a lie in every other statement this man has made. And now to hear this ridiculous claim from his brother Robert that GZ wasn’t part of a neighborhood watch program??!! I keep asking myself, “who are these people?”
They behave like a band of gypsies performing a circus act. Like a bad magician doing a magic trick with a stacked deck and he doesn’t even try to palm the ace. You know what I mean?
lol
BTW, I was reading the comments at Leatherman’s tonight and spotted a few of yours. You’re always right on the money, just like the rest of the group there.
I had to laugh at one of your pet peeves. Zimmerman and those dang big arse bandages on the back of his fat head. LOL You’re so funny because you’re right.
Grr.. I hope this clown gets the max.
BTW, in my experience working in the ER, most patients who’ve suffered a head injury by a blunt object such as concrete, minimally it will result in a hematoma. Usual treatment for a hematoma is ice compress to keep down the swelling that’s if concussion and subdural hematoma is ruled out.
I don’t remember any mention that the EMTs applied ice packs to Zim’s head. Nor do I remember George complaining of a headache at the police station.
Again, GZ’s head bashing LIE is so blatant. I can hardly keep from laughing. It’s ludicrous.

I had to laugh at one of your pet peeves. Zimmerman and those dang big arse bandages on the back of his fat head. LOL You’re so funny because you’re right.

BTW, in my experience working in the ER, most patients who’ve suffered a head injury by a blunt object such as concrete, minimally it will result in a hematoma. Usual treatment for a hematoma is ice compress to keep down the swelling that’s if concussion and subdural hematoma is ruled out.

You know, I thought too that the least the EMT’s would do would apply a cold pack to GZ’s head. You make an excellent point. I also wondered about a neck collar since GZ said that each time he raised his head, Trayvon would bash it down. But, no whip lash. The next day in the re-enactment, GZ was freely moving his head and arms.

In a vid about the second bond hearing, someone on Youtube included the end of GZ’s re-enactment. That band aid intended to be used on fingers, applied between GZ’s eyes, really made him look silly. Singleton asked GZ about the bandages. He was proud that ShelLIE applied them. LOL! Rather than use regular band aids, she put on those used for fingers. Singleton also mentioned that swelling she saw the previous day was no longer present.

Then she asked him about defensive wounds, and she raised his sheet sleeve. That is when you can see the gang tattoo on his arm. In his statement after he killed Trayvon, GZ made no mention of defending himself in any manner. So, Singleton tripped him up when asking about defensive bruises on his arms because rather than sticking with his story and saying he never raised his arms, he responded that his jacket sleeves prevented them from becoming bruised.

The physician’s assistant wrote that GZ should keep the head wounds clean with soap and water. If she didn’t apply bandages, why would ShelLIE? If those wounds looked that bad to support GZ’s story of having his head bashed on concrete, why not let them be seen on camera? Why hide them, especially since the physician’s assistant didn’t find them serious enough to apply bandages?

Regarding Junior’s recent media presence, I see it as little more than competing with the Ostermans. He has been silent for a good part of 5 mths and only started up again after the Ostermans’ gathered media attention.

Robert says only George’s lawyers can speak for George, so what’s he
talking about? He’s not a lawyer, at least not George’s.

PLUS, he says they were all sad about the Martins??? REALLY?
Did he hear his brother George on Hannidy say he had no regrets because it was God’s plan.
George murdered Trayvon, maybe he had better tell his brother Robert, don’t be talking,
because God knows it was his plan.

I mean DO they ever think before they talk, OR in Trayvon’s case murder?
God didn’t want Trayvon murdered, If George is so sure about that, why didn’t he just jump out and kill him without calling 911.
I wish he would have told the 911 dispacher when asked if he was following him, YES, God told me
to.
What a dumbass!!

Good evening Ladies,
Xena,
So Singleton did see swelling on GZ’s head the night it happened but not the next day? Interesting..apparently he didn’t sustain much of an injury if his boo boo was all better the next day.
Other than the half inch cut which didn’t need a stitch, what other injury did he sustain? The broken nose is questionable and I’ve never heard of anyone preventing a bruise by wearing long sleeves. He’s not fooling Singleton, she’s onto him.
And I didn’t know he had a gang tattoo. Hmm.. Interesting. I’ve often wondered if Trayvon thought GZ was in a gang. Like an “old gee” lol Got that from the kids.

Anyways..
I watched the CVSA video the other night and I can’t believe how he acted so nonchalant, chit chatting about health insurance with Singleton. He’s sitting there making small talk. He even asks her if she’s ever shot anyone as if this is a daily occurance for a LEO.

My grandfather spent 30 years in NOPD and he never pulled his gun out of the holster. He bragged about that. He worked Bourbon Street dealing with drunks and seldom used his billy club.
He was the cop who’d put a drunk guy in cab and send him home before locking him up in a squad car. That’s a real policeman, not one who’s lying in wait for his big chance to shoot and kill someone.
Cops are to protect and serve, obviously George didn’t get it and that’s the reason GZ couldn’t get pass the psyche exam to become a cop. I don’t know this for a fact but someone noticed something off about this guy and it didn’t matter who in the hell his daddy was or who he knew. Seminole county didn’t want any part of him.

Since he has claimed an affirmative defense of self-defense, the Martins cannot sue unless he is found guilty. That’s the way Florida legislated the law.

Trayvon’s parents are a class act. They are unlikely to sue Zimmermeth after he is found guilty. For one, the man has no money, no property, and is unlikely to be employed for them to attach a judgment to wages. If there is a dime remaining after costs, O’Mara is certainly to divert it to pay his legal fees.

Robert says only George’s lawyers can speak for George, so what’s he
talking about? He’s not a lawyer, at least not George’s

It’s the same as Osterman said on Dr. Phil’s program — don’t prejudge. Sure, while he sat there supporting GZ’s statements as to what happened. Can we say “HYPOCRITE”?

What they are doing is called propaganda. They hope to obtain censorship and/or silence everyone else so only they are heard. IT AIN’T GONNA HAPPEN.

There is a demonstrated pattern that once the Zimbots cannot respond to discovery material that proves GZ’s lies, they have a mantra, “We weren’t there. We don’t know what happened.” Well guess what Zimbots? O’Mara wasn’t there either. He has to examine the evidence, depose witnesses, and determine whether he can defend GZ or encourage him to cop a plea for a lesser sentence. Forensic evidence is not beneficial to GZ.

Btw Lolypop, O’Mara’s subpoenas for Trayvon’s school records and his statement of seeking social media (which he has not subpoenaed), is nothing more than playing to donors to donate more money. If the Zimbots told O’Mara that they want him to go to the moon because Trayvon went to the moon and sold drugs, O’Mara would put on his website that he has contacted NASA. It costs money to go to the moon, so keep that money rolling in.

Hey Loly,
Good question, I think if George is convicted they can sue him. It’s my understanding that if by some miracle, GZ is found not guilty at the SYG hearing or if the judge agrees that he killed TM in self-defense, then he’s given immunity to law suits.
But I think he’ll be found guilty at trial. Even if he’s found guilty of manslaughter and not 2nd degree murder, he’s still subject to lawsuit.

As for Robert…he was speaking on his “own” behalf. lol These Zim boys just love the spotlight, don’t they? They love to be on TV.

Loly, what I find ridiculous about Bobby Boy is he actually thinks the Martin family would give him the time of day to spew his pitiful apology. When someone’s child is shot dead, lying in his own blood on the rain soaked ground because of a stalking murderous maniac an apology is like a slap in the face. They need to put their sorry’s in a sack. IMO, the best way to say your sorry is to stop putting your ugly mug in the media and begging for money.
That would make me so mad if the family of the man who killed my son profitted off of his death. IMO, when the Zim’s say their sorry for Trayvon’s death, they’re telling the Martin’s that “yes, your son was killed but he deserved it”.
If they were really sorry they’d offer the money they acquired from television appearances to Sybrina and Tracy…then I might think they were sorry.
It’s a matter of principle ..
But these people just don’t get it! They’re social retards.

Xena,
I agree. The Martin’s are a class act but because he has this cult following, if I were them, I’d put a lien on any future earnings if that’s possible in the state of Florida because I can just see this nut bag coming out of prison one day, (IF he only gets 25yrs) and writes a book.
I’m a big believer in “money talks, bullshit walks”. And considering that GZ is thrifty (cheap) going for his pocketbook is the best way to hurt him because he has no heart or conscience.
Yep, Osterman is the “spin doctor”, I totally agree. The good part is — while he’s spinning, de la Rionda is taking notes. 😎
Lets hope that this new judge Debra Nelson, agrees with de la Rionda and seals all of O’Mara’s subpoenas. I’m sure the Zimbots will hate that.

Thanks Xena and JB,
I do agree if someone murdered my son for no damn reason, SORRY is the last thing I would want to hear. Really I would say DO WHAT??? God told your brother to murder my son.?
You better talk to the hand cause the mind ain’t hearing it.
They would be the last ones I would want to see or hear from.
Let the court and jurors hear it.

I know Xena, I agree with you on class act . The Martin’s have been extra descent,extremely!!
George should be so lucky!
The Zimmerman’s don’t give a damn about the Martin’s and Trayvon and hopefullt they get justice.

Guess where I’m going. To LA!!! : )
Yep again.
Will be back Monday night and can’t wait to catch up with y’all.
I’ll miss you,
Loly
BTW, thanks for the answers!!!

Hi Everyone
I feel so behind!! I had FRIGGIN PLUMBING problems for a couple of days!! I am all ready to lay back,catch up with all that I missed out on,but decided to first pop in on cfnews13
to see what O’Money had to say at his Lovely Gun Rights Policy Convention today!!! I can’ t even stomach that man anymore! Ever since he stood up at the bond hearing & said Trayvon caused his own death,I was pretty much done with him.Anyway today of course he said he couldn’t talk about the case,BUT ask people to WAIT before they made up their minds because all the evidence is not out.Then the next out of his mouth was when people see the facts they will understand WHY GZ killed Trayvon.What a bunch of BS!! If anybody can stand it there is about 3 minutes of him talking.I doubt anyone even wants to!! I only checked to see if maybe he put his foot in his own mouth as usual.

Another blogger is at that convention with MOM, and he has stated that he will post the entire Vid when the convention is over. I’ll post the link when he does.

MOM is correct when saying that people see the facts they will understand WHY GZ killed Trayvon. Sure — GZ killed Martin because he failed to restrain him by using physical force alone and drew his gun. That did not silence Trayvon’s screams, which had brought attention to what GZ was doing, and as he said to Hannity, he didn’t want the cops arriving finding him standing there with his gun aimed at Trayvon.

Hello All,
Loly,
I’m like you.. the last thing I want to hear is an apology if someone stalked and then shot my son. Maybe if he were accidentally hit by a car or something that REALLY was accidental, I would be able to forgive them but not in this case. It’s hard to believe that the Zims just don’t get it.
Well, you behave yourself in LA. See ya Monday!

Hi Marilyn,
Sorry to hear about your plumbing problems. I hope all is well now.
Yes, I read somewhere that O’Money was going to speak at that gun convention. I really don’t see why O’Mara would be invited because his client is not a good example of a responsible gun owner. I would think the NRA and Gun Rights Org would want to stay as far away from GZ as possible.
Its because of idiots like George that people are against guns. Nothing against people who really suffer from ADHD but IF its true that people with ADHD can’t remember ANYTHING like GZ can’t remember, I’d say — New Rule – “Those with ADHD need not apply” 😀

Hello Xena,
Thank you for all your support and help with the “J” situation. I had to release your latest comment because the name J-e-s-s is a spam word. I’m so glad I caught before it was deleted.
I wonder if I should contact Comcast in Federal Way, Washington? I’m sure they wouldn’t approve of someone using their service in order to harass others. Just a thought.
And I totally agree with you,
I really do believe GZ was trying to restrain TM because the screaming ended at the sound of the gunshot. Trayvon’s Guardian Angel made sure the world would hear that. 😉
I know ole Georgie Boy wasn’t expecting the world to hear Trayvon’s screams. The 911 call from that lady (whoever she may be) was a miraculous event that intervened in Zimmerman’s evil plan.
That person called 911 at the perfect time and I know GZ wasn’t expecting that.
Thank God.

I am able to forgive when an apology is sincere. It’s no secret that GZ killed Trayvon. He admitted to it. So why can’t he say “I’m so sorry I killed your son.” That would not have any affect in his case because he said he did it.

And, why can’t he say that without looking and sounding like a robot? A little quiver in his voice, tears in his eyes — something to show that he FEELS sorrowful.

Apologies that give excuses and justifications are not apologies. If accepted, the justification and excuses are accepted. Taking human life is wrong PERIOD. That is why the law calls proven self-defense “justifiable homicide.” It takes a court of law to say that — not Zimmermeth’s personal opinion.
Re: Comcast. JB, I’ll email you the contact info as well as the contact info for the wireless account.

Re:

I know ole Georgie Boy wasn’t expecting the world to hear Trayvon’s screams. The 911 call from that lady (whoever she may be) was a miraculous event that intervened in Zimmerman’s evil plan.

Yes! What he did not expect either is that the call would capture his voice cursing at Trayvon while Trayvon is screaming. There is no mistaking that it’s GZ’s voice talking to Trayvon. This is what ABC reported as the call “capturing” GZ’s voice where the tape was sent to the FBI for enhancement to determine what GZ said to Trayvon. This is not the action of determining who was screaming. Experts have already ruled out that it was GZ screaming for help.

Hello JB & fellow missionites
I believe the reason GZ & his family are trying to distance themselves from the neighborhood watch captain title is because the HOA can be sued for GZ’s actions, if he was in fact, the NW captain. The HOA’s insurance would be required to pay any settlement to the Martin’s & that would trigger a rate hike for the HOA’s insurance & a special assessment that the residents would have to pay. If the state does prove he was NWC the HOA board is in big trouble. Maybe GZ can’t be sued but they & their insurance can, for giving him that kind of authority, especially when they knew he was packing a gun.

Hey Lisa. I believe you are correct that Junior’s latest claims are to help the HOA in its litigation.

After contacting the HOA, they gave Sybrina a claim form which she filed with Traveler’s Insurance. After doing so, Traveler’s filed a cause of action with the court, naming Sybrina and the HOA as defendants. The insurance company wants the court to decide whether Traveler’s has to represent the HOA. Traveler’s Insurance doesn’t want to represent the HOA because they say that the policy only protects Board members in their Board capacity, and liability rests with property owners.

I haven’t checked on that case recently but will, as I believe the real argument is that by the HOA sanctioning NW and GZ as captain, that they must take personal, individual responsibility.

Correct Xena by sanctioning GZ they did the same thing as hiring an unlicensed contractor. They are responsible for the damage done. Even as a volunteer the board opened themselves up to a lawsuit. Actually more so because he is a unpaid volunteer that they put in charge of the NW & he was carrying a gun & they knew it. The individual board members can be sued & the insurance company. Florida HOA law is very clear on this matter

Hi Guys…I stopped by the treehouse & they are doing more than overstepping boundries!! I was reading a few comments & Lord have mercy…..they are talking about “HEART SHAPE STICKER” on TM’s phone & how weird that is!! Here we go again…I guess Casey really killed Trayvon too!! They must really be bored with the crap they are dreaming up! Yes….the GZ news is slow except for Jr trying damage control & O’Money speaking to get some donations from the GUN PEOPLE….but cut the crap of making things up!

Here’s the thing with the phone. It’s a Zimbot agenda, so can’t be explained in a few sentences. Please bear with me.

Trayvon’s phone log provides that he received a call at 6:54 p.m. DeeDee stated that she was on the phone with Trayvon at that time, and he told her a creepy white guy was following him in a car and that he was standing in the mail shed to get out of the rain.

GZ did not make his NEN call until 7:09. Thus, GZ stalked Trayvon for more than 15 minutes before calling NEN.

DeeDee said that the call was dropped.

At 7:11:44, GZ said to dispatch, “Shit. He’s running.”

Trayvon’s phone log provides that he received a call at 7:12 p.m. DeeDee has stated that she called Trayvon back. During that time, Trayvon said he had ran and lost the creepy guy.

(GZ had followed Trayvon by car. Trayvon had reached the cut-through where there is no road for a vehicle, making it reasonable to believe that the creepy guy could not follow him further. Trayvon did not know that the creepy guy was following him on foot.)

At 7:12, although saying “Okay” to the dispatcher’s statement “We don’t need you to do that,” GZ is still heard breathing heavy and wind in his phone. He is still running but suddenly stops. You can hear him beating on his tactical flashlight in effort to get it to work. GZ says “He ran.”

But then, GZ’s tone changes. He sounds pre-occupied. At 7:13 he changes his mind about meeting the cop at the mailboxes and asks if the cop can call him for his location. GZ either heard Trayvon’s phone ring, or Trayvon’s voice as he talked with DeeDee, or both. He could now follow the sound of Trayvon’s voice to to find him. GZ ends his call at 7:13:39.

Trayvon tells DeeDee that he is by his dad’s house, and he sees the creepy guy and he is getting closer.

80 seconds thereafter, the first call comes into 911 reporting wrestling and screams for help.

During those 80 seconds, DeeDee stated that she heard Trayvon ask, “What are you following me for?” A deep voice responded, “What are you doing around here?” She then said Trayvon was bumped, she heard the grass and Trayvon say “Get off. Get off.” The call dropped at 7:16. Trayvon was shot in the heart by GZ at 7:16:57, which time is recorded on the resident’s 911 call where the shot is heard.

So you see, Trayvon’s cell phone records are very relevant to this case. Combined with DeeDee’s statement and the recording of GZ’s NEN call, they provide that GZ actually and purposefully stalked Trayvon for a significant time, chased behind him until Trayvon passed the cut-through; located Trayvon when his phone ranged or by hearing his voice at 7:12, confronted Trayvon, then pushed him in some manner to the ground.

Thus, the Zimbots’ agenda is that Trayvon’s phone was not his phone — he stole it. Since the true owner has not come forth to report it stolen or to claim it, they demand that O’Mara get pings to prove that the phone was not used.

And so, according to their agenda, Trayvon’s phone logs are a fraud, put together by Attorney Crump who they hope is disbarred for making it, and also for getting DeeDee to lie about her conversations with Trayvon. They also attack DeeDee as a form of witness intimidation in hopes of discouraging her from testifying. The Zimbots went as far as publishing DeeDee’s cell phone number on the conservative treehouse blog.

IMO, they are desperate folks who have no integrity and not one ounce of common sense , who make up stuff as they go along.

Nice to see you Lisa,
Excellent point,! So that explains Robert’s little speech? Aha! You know the Zimmerman’s don’t do anything unless it’s self serving. Claiming that GZ wasn’t part of any Neighborhood Watch program makes him immune to a lawsuits or so he thinks. It’s so pathetic that Robert could tell such a bold faced lie when there’s emails and witnesses that will testify that GZ was not only proud to be in NW but he was The Gun-toting CAPTAIN. ::gag:: These people never cease to amaze me. Robet needs to wake up. GZ was sanctioned! Verbally and thru emails.

And…Removal of the infringed work does not relieve you from liability for damages arising from your past infringement. 😀

Thanks for the gun convention video. I listened to all 5 minutes of it and it seemed like an hour.
If MOM uses that argument in the Zim case, Zim’s sure to go to prison.
Does MOM not realize that the word “reasonable” is subjective? GZ was never in fear of great bodily harm, if he were he would have never gotten out of his schruck.
Another thing, I really don’t like the way the statute is written. I don’t like the idea of having a judge decide if a case goes to trial. There’s too much wiggle room in the statute for a judge to make the first decision. If a person is wealthy and can afford a well-connected attorney such as O’Mara, the lawyer could sway a judge to rule in his favor. I’d rather see self-defense cases go to a jury.
I hate to say this, but we all know O’Mara is connected in Seminole County. They all sing his praises a little too loud if you ask me. I hope the new judge Debra Nelson isn’t one of O’Mara’s favorites.

Hi Marilyn,
So Casey did it? I knew it, there’s that heart shaped sticker again! Not only was O’Money campaigning for Z-Bucks, he was out on a fishing trip trying to sway potential jurors. I am for gun rights but not for the idiots who can’t remember they’re carrying one. I’m sure there are some gun right advocates who see Zimmerman as the aggressor.
I’ll never understand why people believe Zim was screaming for help. How was someone suppose to help him, when he’s got the gun? What were they going to do — Bring him a kitchen knife?
One thing I’ll say about the neighbors who saw the scuffle — At least they had enough sense not to get too close unlike the neighborhood watch captain who went looking for the suspicious guy. I would never get up close to put my hands on two men in a fight. I’d call 911 just like they did.

Trayvon’s phone log provides that he received a call at 6:54 p.m. DeeDee stated that she was on the phone with Trayvon at that time, and he told her a creepy white guy was following him in a car and that he was standing in the mail shed to get out of the rain.

GZ did not make his NEN call until 7:09. Thus, GZ stalked Trayvon for more than 15 minutes before calling NEN.

Excellent point! Xena you did a great job of putting it all together. That was something I wanted to do but didn’t have the patience. Good work!
I hope the prosecution has put this together like you did.
Xena, I don’t see what it will prove by TM’s phone being stolen. IF the phone TM had in his possession bears the same phone number on DeeDee’s phone record, So what — if its stolen. It wouldn’t matter if TM was using my phone or yours, it was the cellphone that was in his possession. The prosecution can subpoena those records. If they line up with DeeDee’s, Bingo.
I don’t get their problem with the phone. Am I missing something? They’re just annoyed as hell that TM was talking on the phone to someone at the same time as GZ was stalking him.
In this day and age, everyone should know that most teenager’s have a cellphone plugged in their ear at all times, even walking down the street, sitting on the toilet, shopping at the mall.. They are talking on a phone. Count on it!
That’s what me thinks.

George Zimmerman was captain of his local Neighborhood Watch. The Neighbor Watch program is a national program coordinated by various local police depts all over the country with citizen volunteers. The police provide handouts, flyers, organizational materials, and teach how to schedule and facitate your groups watch.

One of the teachings is to use the local non-emergency number to contact the police dispatch office. It is customary and appropriate. 911 should only be called in cases of life-or death emergency. For all other reports of incidents, concerns, or requests for law enforcement the non-emergency, but still direct line, should be used.

It is customary protocol.

Hmm..Perhaps Robert Zimmerman Jr. should visit this site before making crazy claims that his brother wasn’t part of a neighborhood watch program?? That’s not what the Zimbots say.
Just saying…

I don’t like the idea of having a judge decide if a case goes to trial. There’s too much wiggle room in the statute for a judge to make the first decision. If a person is wealthy and can afford a well-connected attorney such as O’Mara, the lawyer could sway a judge to rule in his favor. I’d rather see self-defense cases go to a jury.

It does appear that way, but it does make it easier for either party to appeal the judge’s ruling in an immunity hearing. In jury trials, legal counsel cannot appeal on the basis that the jury was wrong. There has to be something involving the judge or the prosecution, such as admittance or denial of admittance of evidence; instructing the jury incorrectly; sustaining or overruling objections, etc.

BTW, today Judge Lester denied Smithey’s SYG immunity petition. She now has to proceed to trial for 2nd degree murder.

Another thing about immunity petitions decided by the judge, is that they are likened to motions for summary judgment in civil actions. When there is any factual dispute, the petition is denied and the case proceeds to trial. The prosecution can then use the defendant’s testimony in the immunity hearing at trial.

The immunity hearing is generally the defendant saying, “I used self-defense because …” The prosecution then argues, “It was unreasonable force because …” The prosecution does not have to prove 2nd degree murder at the immunity hearing. They only need to prove that the force used by GZ was excessive and unreasonable.

Xena, I don’t see what it will prove by TM’s phone being stolen. IF the phone TM had in his possession bears the same phone number on DeeDee’s phone record, So what — if its stolen. It wouldn’t matter if TM was using my phone or yours, it was the cellphone that was in his possession. The prosecution can subpoena those records. If they line up with DeeDee’s, Bingo.
I don’t get their problem with the phone. Am I missing something?

Based on the Zidiots’ agenda, if the phone was stolen, it would mean that Attorney Crump falsified Trayvon’s phone logs. Those logs have already been made available to the public. The Zidiots want Crump disbarred. You see, their agenda is not to defend Zimmermeth. They know he is going down and so they want to take down anyone involved in the case whose skin is not White. They have no knowledge of immunity and ignorantly argue that SA Corey can be sued. Neither do they have knowledge of standing to sue a party or parties for damages, and so argue that ZImmermeth can also sue Trayvon’s parents.

I’m not sure if you all have heard the good news. Damon Thibodeaux who was on death row since 1997 was exonerated of the murder and rape of his step-cousin 14yo Crystal Champagne.
He was convicted on a false confession. This is the 6 death row exoneration for Louisiana. Florida has the most, last I looked about 25. It really disturbs me. And these are just the prisoners on death row. It makes me wonder how more innocent people are in prison.
Thanks again to Barry Scheck and the American Civil Liberties Union.
God Bless Damon. I wish him the best of luck in his new found freedom.

Mar 16, 2012 10:30 AM
MyTmobile data/calls tracking
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There seems to be a bug in the MyTmobile website. When I log in and look at calls I notice the calls reflect calls made in EDT, while Data information seems to be based on PDT. At the bottom of both pages are statements that the dates/times reflected are in Pacific time. As a reference for the call I used a call from my wife and it reflected EDT (which is where I am), however when I purposely did a large data download it was reflected in Pacific time. Anyone else notice this behavior when they log into their My Tmobile site?

It’s been like that for a while, Josh.

I was told by another T-Mobile person it’s because calls are translated to local time zone of where they’re made because of billing purposes, but data & texts don’t have different prices for peak and off-peak.

Thank you Xena for the video. Good stuff. This chick Wendy Dovial sounds like a good witness.
Here’s are some things that caught my attention.
Wendy Dovial – Liason Officer for NWP

GZ was the coordinator. So who were the block captains? Maybe Osterman and Taafe?

RZ must know something about this. I think this issue will probably be part of GZ’s defense.. Well that sux for him.
GZ doesn’t have block captains because he wants to be the captain.
Interesting, maybe GZ’s call on Feb 26th should have been to 911 emergency, not NEN because the LEO may have arrived sooner.
BTW, IIRC, these emails are in doc dump 7-14. I’ll have to look for them.
GZ sent an email to the chief? Does she mean Bill Lee? LOL

PS:
Xena, Thank you for explaining the problem with the Zimbots. So they want to get Crump disbarred huh? Well maybe they should be worried about O’Mara since he conveniently forgot to hand of Zim’s passport to Judge Lester. Oh and lets not forget his sneak attempt to get a deceased child’s school records slammed on the internet! That’s a reason for disbarment!
He’s sneaky.

Taking another looksey at the doc dump….http://www.clickorlando.com/blob/view/-/15490330/data/1/-/kligxm/-/Zimmerman-documents.pdf
From Discovery released on July 2012, 284 pages
Page 16 of 284
Xena, this is going to be a good witness for the prosecution;
Witness XX’s interview with O’Steen
Snipped:
XX said she got her telephone and dialed 911. She heard yells from where the two men were. She heard “normal” calls for help and “horrifying” calls for help. She heard “agonizing yelps”.

Xena, What does this say to you?
Page 21 –
This lady says she saw the policeman there, then she heard the “pop”.

snipped:

She saw flashlights outside and police officers. She saw paramedics carrying something. She then heard a “pop”. She has never heard a gun before.
Clarifying, she said that after the police were there she saw more than one flashlight and heard the pop then. She then said she didn’t know if the paramedics were there yet.
She then said that she had talked to 911, telling them that someone was hurt. She heard sirens then heard the pop.

Now, I’ve read this before. What she says is very confusing, I know but I can’t totally dismiss her since there’s another witness who said she heard two “pops” too. I’m just as confused now as I was the first time I read this.
It seems like the man carrying the flashlight is causing confusion — Some witnesses must think he’s LE but WHAT IF this really did happen? What does this mean? Hmm.. My hinky meter is going up.

..went to Retreat View Circle and talked with XX advised that she heard running outside and looked out of her bedroom window. She looked out and saw shadows running from left to right. She heard someone say “yo” or “no”. She then walked to her hallway to another bedroom when she heard a gunshot

IMO, if George was the one doing the running from Trayvon then he would have shot Trayvon right then and not allowed them to fall onto the ground fighting. So common sense tells me that it was George who was chasing Trayvon Martin.

HI
JB, Xena, Marilyn and Lisa,
We got back this morning and thank y’all very mich, we had a GREAT time. : )
JB, I tried my best to behave.lol

Marilyn,
Plumbing problems are a pain.
I agreeI cannot stand O’Mara. I did watch the video and can’t understand WHY they wanted him, he isn’t a great speaker and I bet that they paid him good though.
Several hings he said really pissed me off!

1. Everyone should wait before we make up our minds! Really???
If there hadn’t been attention to this murder, George Zimmerman would have gotten away with murder. The Zimmerman’sare sure talking and THEY weren’t there either. His Dad and Robert both said Zimmerman didn’t follow him, yet GEORGE said on 911 he was.

2. He wants to call this a self defense case because,
I really don’t know why,syg, self defense, still the same and you have to go to trial and let the jurors decide, NOT the police dept.

3. If you feel at that time you are in bodily harm, it’s ok to use deadly force????? REALLY?
So, let me get this right, George was stalking Trayvon for 15 minutes. How is he in any bodily harm or threat of any kind? A kid was walking home from the store, BUT effidently something was really bothering George’s ego and like JB said, ANYONE with ADHD should not have a gun.
Reason, like you said JB, he FORGOT he had it?
George was never in bodily harm and he had called 911, the police were on their way and in the 911 tape where the dispatcher says we don’t need you to follow him, did you notice the depressed sound? OK??
He was in a rush, he wanted to kill, and mintes later Trayvon was dead.
Self Defense, SYG or won’t cut it. It was George, I’ll do as I want to. He was sure happy he killed Trayvon before the police got there and stopped him.

4. Overall O’Mara just got up there and spoke, laughed and had a good old time, EVEN if he didn’t
have anything intelligent to offer us about self defense because WE all know it was not self defense and that George was not a responsible gun owner and shouldn’t have even owned one.

5. IF you have a gun and someone breaks you wrist you have the right to muder them??

WTH,
I just turned my TV on to The Young Turks and there was Robert Z. Jr.
Where next? I hope that I can find the whole interview because I just caught the last of it.

And I don’t understand and didn’t understand why they changed it that George was not a Neighbood Watch Captain.
What are the idiots going to say next? They sure changed their mind quick, next we’re going to hear George’s Dad was never a judge, They think it’s just that easy?

AND, Robert says his brother is suffering from this?? Is he fN kidding me??
Didn’t he hear his interview on FOX that George said NO, he ha no regrets, it was God’s
plan and he couldn’t/wouldn’t change anything. NO, absolutely not.
That makes me want to yell at him and ask DO YOU REALLY THINK WE Believe
your crap?

JB, same here. You murder my son or someone dear to me for no reason and you think a phony apology is going to make me feel beter. Hell no!!
The Martins are going to have to hear more than they want to because the ignorant bastard killed their son in cold blood.

The Lovers of the Zimmerman family, do they also believe George when he says, it was Gods plan? ARE they that stupid. I wish someone would ask one of the dipshits if they actually believe that? Most of them are “supposedly” Christian or some religion. That really is tragic!
Goodnight,
Xena, Marilyn, Lisa and JB,
I tried to catch up on some of it. I hear it from the best! : )

BTW, IIRC, these emails are in doc dump 7-14. I’ll have to look for them.
GZ sent an email to the chief? Does she mean Bill Lee? LOL

Yes. He kissed up about how good Dovial was, while reminding Lee about his previous complaints against the SPD. It sounds as though he thought the SPD needed his approval.

There were block captains before GZ organized NW. IIRC, GZ did not contact them and they only knew about his activity when reading the newsletter. Keep in mind that GZ made no attempts of organizing NW until AFTER the then HOA president paid SPD to conduct patrols in that community and issue tickets for driving and HOA violations.

That competitive, envious urge reared its ugly head in GZ. How dare the HOA approve to pay the SPD to patrol in the gated community when he thought he could do a better job!

Hi Xena,
Absolutely, Crystal Champagne deserves justice. I’m a bit familiar with this case. IMO, LE chose Damon Thibodeaux because he was the easiest target. IIRC, he had a few run-ins with the law. He was young and was acquaited with the victim.
There was a time when I couldn’t believe someone would admit to doing something that they didn’t do, especially a crime but it does happen.
Maybe there needs to be change in the interrogation process? IDK??
All I know is Thibodeaux is VERY LUCKY to get the attention of Barry Scheck. Without the Innocence Project, he could have been executed by lethal injection.

Even though there’s only one known case of an innocent person executed by our justice system, IMO that’s one too many and I happen to be pro-death penalty. I can’t imagine what that must have been like to walk to your death knowing you’re innocent.
I don’t mean to get on my soapbox but this is one of my pet peeves. Injustice of any kind gets to me.

Really I’d love to hear Professor Leatherman’s take on this subject. I know he’s said that the entire justice system needs an overhaul and I know that one of his clients who was on death row was recently exonerated too.
It’s a shame that it takes someone like Barry Scheck, who is not part of government process has to be the one to fix the wrong. I think the government should be involved too. JMO.

Because it makes one wonder how many other wrongful convictions there are in other cases, not just murder. It scares me to think about it.

I know. Later on, I’ll see if I can find this witness’ audio interview. I prefer the audio over written statements because we hear it from the person’s mouth as opposed to what LE heard then interpreted to write down.

Thanks Xena,
He wasn’t on there long was he?
Robert just goes around telling what happened and he wasn’t even there.
Like they say, it does matter that George said coon ( isn’t tht why Robert was there ) and also whether he was anything
but OR was it the police playing favortism to George.
I think it was both. IMO

Because it makes one wonder how many other wrongful convictions there are in other cases, not just murder. It scares me to think about it.

In Winnebago County, IL, thousands. They aren’t actual convictions but plea deals. The majority of the people charged have no idea what the Public Defender is saying. If I had a dime for every person who came to my office to expunge their record thinking that “dismissed” or “discharged” means not guilty,and/or because they weren’t sentenced to jail, I could afford a mansion.

Of course, many people don’t think of the consequences of plea deals beyond not being locked up in jail. PDs tell them that if they go to trial they will likely be found guilty and given jail time. And of course, they all say they were innocent but took the plea to get on with their lives.

The case of Rolando Cruz in Illinois compelled then Gov. Ryan to seek repealing the death penalty. The death penalty was repealed last year. That meant that State Attorneys scrambled to change strategy in cases where they were seeking the death penalty. The case of Katie Stockton is one such case.

I’m against capital punishment for the same reason I’m against murder. Human beings don’t have the power to resurrect. The lost of any innocent life is blood on the hands of the person taking that life. Also, so many mass murders confessed to killing more people whose bodies were not found. They got the needle and took the information to the grave with them.

BTW, I am thinking that Robert Jr. is on the media circuit because he may have wind that the feds are seriously considering charging GZ with a hate crime. Junior’s talk about race in the case is too deliberate.

Hi Loly,
Welcome back! Yep, I checked the newspaper and didn’t see any Lolypop reports. Good girl! 😉
I think you caught the same garbage I did from O’Mara. Wow, this man makes a better politician than a lawyer. Something tells me he’ll be running for some office in Florida very soon. I’m not a big fan of O’Mara’s either. I think he’s sneaky by the way he played off the passport issue with Judge Lester and the sneak attack he did to the school board trying to get Martin’s school records.

Xena,
I just want to say you’re doing a fabulous job covering the Martin case. You handle the haters so eloquently, I smile every time I read your responses to them. It’s too funny sometimes, I almost feel sorry for them. (not) 😎

Oh yes indeedy! Bobby is playing up to that race issue a tad too much. What’s up with that?
The Greek had him pegged in a nano-second.
BTW,I’ve listened closely, several times to the NEN call and I have to say, I heard “coons” not “punks”. Some people have even said that GZ was saying “effing cold” but there’s a definite “en” sound not “d” and lets face it 65 degree weather is not cold so surely thats not what’s up???

You made a good point regarding capital punishment. I’ve always been pro-death penalty because sometimes the crime is so heinous, execution just seems so fitting but you’re right.. Keeping serial killers alive, might solve more cases. Good point, I like that idea.

As to the Let’s Make a Deal mentality of our justice system, it makes me sick. Either you have a case or you don’t. So why are State government paid prosecutors so adamant to get any charge to stick? The only thing I can surmise is for money and IMO, money and justice doesn’t mix because not everyone has money which makes it unfair to the poor. JMO.

Page 26 of 183
Capias Request – page 26 Based on facts and circumstances Serino believes there is probable cause to charge Zimmerman with manslaughter.

Page 27 in the Capias Request, Inv. Christopher Serino

The encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman. If Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of LE or conversely if he had identified himself as a concerned citizen and initiated dialog in an effort to dispel each party’s concern. There is no indication that Trayvon Martin was involved in any criminal activity at the time of the encounter.
Note* 2 lines are redacted.
Attempts to locate additional witnesses have consisted of multiple canvasses of the neighborhood….

What I find interesting is that the 2 lines are redacted. I believe it’s the names of at least 2 good witnesses. Also there is a redacted paragraph following the previous dates of suspicious persons reported by Zimmerman who were also black. <– Xena, is this a possible hate crime issue?

Hi Everyone
I hope all enjoyed the DEBATE lastnight! It gets interesting in my household because we are not on the same team!! I had my Mom here who was on my side & after just turning 89 on Monday,she has been thru her share of debates & Presidents!!
I think while its slow with GZ news….I want to search for the info that got my attention when I first heard of this case.Of course everyone knows we were winding down & off of Casey’s case…like alot of people I didn’t know if I wanted to get neck deep involved in another case this soon.But….YES another one in FLORIDA & I heard of MORE CORUPTION!! The thing that got my attention was a CHILD getting shot & the GUY(didn’t know who he was) did not get arrested.The next thing I knew Police chief Lee was leaving…..State attorney Wolfinger was pissed because he was accused of overruling the detectives who wanted to arrest Zimmerman.Remember….he was accused of driving to the police station that night,which usually doesn’t happen & thats when we learned that GZ’s Dad was a Judge.So today I am going to see what all I can dig up from the start of this mess.If anybody has something for me to read…..please let me know!!

Good evening ladies!!
What screams from Serino’s Capias request is that other than the cause of death, it lacks forensic evidence. This was something that Wolfinger should have conducted but didn’t. He relied solely on GZ’s excuses and story to decide there wasn’t enough evidence. Not enough evidence??? No. Rather, Wolfinger refused to obtain evidence.

Serino based his Capias on the fact that GZ’s injuries were not consistent with his use of deadly force; he could get no reason what ticked Trayvon off; and he followed Trayvon after calling him an “asshole” and “fucking punk.”

JB, I’m like you. I hear GZ say “coons.” In the alternative, he is saying “poons.” Essentially, it’s the same as calling someone a “punk.” However, from a legal standpoint, calling a person he does not know a “fucking punk” as he chasing him and ultimately kills, demonstrates prejudice.

If there is a hate crime, that falls under federal jurisdiction. And, if there is a hate crime, it will be pursued on the basis of GZ’s demonstrated words of pre-judgment of a racial group of people as “assholes” and “fucking punks.” I smile each time I read a comment by a Zidiot that confirms that GZ profiled Trayvon Martin. The Zidiot’s do not apply the term “thug” to anyone of a race other than Black. They incorporate criticism about other Blacks and Blacks in general, giving more ammunition to investigators that GZ indeed racially profiled Trayvon.

No matter how many times GZ and his supporters say he’s not a racist, there are hundreds of comments from them in circular argument fashion that Blacks are racist, so it’s okay for GZ to be a racial bigot.

The only person whose thoughts about race matters is that of GZ. He pulled the trigger. Evidence is not based on what he says after-the-fact, but immediately before he pulled the trigger, taking the life of what he believed IN THE PLURAL was “assholes,” “fucking punks.”

Let’s not forget that the FBI also has the recording of the 911 call with the screams in the background. That tape was given to them to enhance to determine what GZ was saying to Trayvon — not who was screaming. GZ’s voice is distinctly heard using the “fuck” word while the screams are also heard.

It’s God plan that George Zimmerman spends the rest of his life behind bars.

The thing that got my attention was a CHILD getting shot & the GUY(didn’t know who he was) did not get arrested.

When I first heard of this, it gave me the feeling of oppression and cover-up that this area experienced in the Mark Anthony Barmore case. What peeked my interest and involvement, was when I heard GZ’s NEN call. Next was when the vid was released showing him in the police station. Still, my involvement on the internet did not begin until after GZ was charged with 2nd degree murder and AFTER reading comments by his supporters that sound like things Nazi Germany wrote about the Jews.

Hi Marilyn,
I think that’s a great an idea for an article for “us” to get into. Sometimes two heads are better than one. 😎
Honestly, I haven’t read much about Wolfinger’s involvement. I do recall reading somewhere that Wolfinger and Judge Zimmerman may be connected. They supposedly worked together for the CIA. <– Rumored, but nonetheless it could be true. If it's true that Wolfinger drove to the police station that night, I think it deserves to be checked out.
Lets do some digging. Is it okay for me to email you?

JB…sorry I am just getting back to answer you,I had company come by!! Of course You or any of Yall can email me!! I do remember hearing so much about this Wolfinger & now having problems finding places to read it again.All of Yall are so damn smart & helpful to me,from what I remember it seems like there was alot that just wasn’t passing the smell tests!! I welcome all the help I can get sent my way!!

Good Evening/ 11.41 PM : )
Marilyn, JB and Xena and Lisa : )
I was very good, sorry I didn’t make the news. Maybe next time,
I really shouldn’t say that, if I’m going to get in just innocent trouble, it’s usually
March and October! : )
What’s that song? If I Make It Through Octooobeer, Everything’ll Be all Right. lol
OK, It’s late!! : )!

Marilyn, I think we all heard about this at the same time, that’s why our antennas went up.
I thought they were talking about something that had just happened. Yet they had already burried Trayvon. I couldn’t believe that we didn’t hear about it sooner. The more I heard, the more I understood very well why they didn’t want us to hear it.
An innocent teen, no crime, just suspicious to some neighborhood watch man murdered
him. If they (the Martins ) hadn’t gotten voices to help them, we still wouldn’t know and his family would have no justice.

Xena, I couldn’t agree more. WHY Robert is running around blabbing nonsense about his brother, (BTW he wasn’t there) trying to convince everyone George isn’t a racist IS because HE indeed is a racist and the more they talk the deeper they get. I hope he is charged with a race crime. There has been not one thing to suggest Trayvon was doing but going home.
His friend Oliver wanted us to think George said “goons” NAH!! He diffentley said coon
and whether they think he did or not, he’s still a racist. IMO
Some idiot said WHY didn’t Trayvon just go home??? HELLO, Because he was murdered.
I think Robert is one that has said that too.

I understand Xena and JB about feelings on the death penalty. I’ve thought about it a lot.
The more I think about it, I don’t like it and can’t justify it . In many cases they’ve gotten the wrong person and that in itself is a trafisty. So, IF found guilty and they know without rushing to judgement,
put them in prison for the rest of their lives. That can’t be a picnic! To think one week would be enough to make you realize that you would not want that to be your home for the rest of your
life. Some say it cost the tax payers more, but it actually cost them less.

JB,
That’s exactly why George has the attorney he wants. Of course most do, but not all cases
are able to raise money from the internet and NRA.
Sneaky the best word. I couldn’t believe O’Mara lies bout the passport and not getting disbarred.

What’s more, supporters of Zimmerman and his actions repeatedly seek to justify such by continuously and repeatedly asserting that the neighborhood is a high crime area, without supporting the assertion in any way other than to deceptively use the words “burglary” and “break-in” interchangeably, when the two words have entirely different meanings. For example, if cinderblocks disappear from a construction site overnight, that is a burglary but not a break-in, if Zimmerman calls police and says his bicycle was stolen from off of his porch, that may be a burglary, but it certainly isn’t a break-in.

What draws further attention is that according to all information publicly available, the data indicates that a sudden and unexplained spike in crime occurred in the neighborhood roughly about the same time that the RTL HOA first hired the Sanford Police to enforce HOA policies. When viewed in context, the appearance is given that this sudden rash of crime actually only represents a series of uncorroborated complaints of crimes being committed by black males, and many complaints of which were totally banal in nature and made by Zimmerman, all of which raises the question of toward what ends did the RTL HOA hire the Sanford Police to enforce its HOA policies?

If they (the Martins ) hadn’t gotten voices to help them, we still wouldn’t know and his family would have no justice.

You better believe it!!! The Zidiots do not like the fact that Trayvon’s parents organized so that what happened to Trayvon reached the media.

Some idiot said WHY didn’t Trayvon just go home??? HELLO, Because he was murdered.
I think Robert is one that has said that too.

Zimmermeth had followed Trayvon in a car. Trayvon ran to where no vehicle could enter. He had no way of knowing that Zimmermeth would follow him on foot. Why should he rush to get home when he was tired AND thought that he had lost the creepy guy? Trayvon had been walking, ducking in and out of the rain, for about a half hour. Zimmermeth had stalked Trayvon for more than 15 minutes of that half hour before he made his NEN call.

The argument of the Zidiots is clear — they don’t believe that Trayvon had any rights. Trayvon had the right to walk, run, skip or stand still. He had the right to feel safe in that community. He had the right to know why GZ was following him. He had the right to ask.

the writer says something very profound. I don’t agree with all he says, and there has been subsequent discovery released since his article. However, what I find profound is that he writes, (and I paraphrase):

GZ’s NEN call demonstrates that GZ knew he was committing an unlawful act because he expresses fear of retaliation and/or being reported to the police. That is, he did not want to give dispatch his home address because he didn’t know where the kid was at. If Trayvon heard GZ’s address, he could tell his dad who could then contact the police and tell them that a creepy guy living at that address stalked his teen-aged son.

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What GZ effectively did was to deliberately obstruct justice by denying Trayvon the same rights as he had, which was not only to report a suspicious person, but have his address so that he would be located and identified or rather — not get away.

Loly,
What that person wrote about the made-up crime reports is very credible. When I looked at the reports in discovery, he is DEAD ON. You cannot classify reports of kids playing in the street as “break-ins” but that is exactly what GZ tried doing when he made that call about the kids.

That writer got into the former HOA’s president’s head. Had he gone a step further into Zimmermeth’s head, he could put two and two together and concluded that GZ thought he could do a better job than the SPD AND ALSO, why should the HOA pay the SPD for making patrols in the gated community, when they should be paying him? I mean, what are a few parking and HOA violations when they have all that crime, right? Better to pay GZ as a community officer, deputize him and give him a badge and a citation book. Allow him to carry his gun.

GZ is an opportunist. The moment he read about the HOA paying the SPD to patrol the gated community, he kissed up to everyone he could to be appointed NW Captain.

Exactly Xena,
And I’m guessing God instructed all of this!
IF George doesn’t testify in court, can they still play the
video where he said
He had no regrets, that it was God’s plan?

If you were on a jury and heard BS like that what would you think? No remorse??
That counts!!

I know this is crazy to some, but when I read about the dime, I have to tell you,
my husband, my daughter and myself including others that loved my son
so much, have found dimes in places you would never expect. I can’t explain it,but
you wouldn’t believe some of the places. I have since read about finding dimes
after you lose someone so close to you.
I hope that the parents hear that story and get the dime?

Right Xena,
The kids playing in the street, the garage door of some neighbor was open and that was unusual to HIM???> The two guys walking down the street?? Really?
Doing what.
God! I’d hate to have this jackass for a neighbor and they KNEW he carried a gun?
Oh, busted!!

About that dime. The State will hold everything in evidence until after trial and all appeal options have been exhausted — might return the dime and cell phone to Trayvon’s parents thereafter.

It doesn’t surprise me about finding dimes. They represent the number 10 and spiritually, 10 is the number of perfection (10 commandments that if people were able to totally obey, they would be perfect). I see it as a message that loved ones have passed from the realm of imperfection, to the realm of perfection.

Xena,
I love that! : )
I see it as a message that loved ones have passed from the realm of imperfection, to the realm of perfection. (what you said )
I’ll make it short!
After we lost our son, I made a comment to my daughter, funny, how you usually find pennies laying around, but that I had seen dimes. To me that was unusual, but I never connected it until my daughter told me that her friend had said there was something about dimes after you lose someone.
I had gotten some packages in and laid them on my bed. My stuff on my side and the ones that were for my daughter on his side.
Anyway he went to our Granddaughters graduation and I wasn’t able to go but right when he stepped out of the car there was a dime. He thought our son would have wanted t be there so bad.
He brought the dime home ( she lives in Ca ) and wanted to put it by my son’s graduation picture,
he dropped it, but looked around found it and when he put it there again it fell and he couldn’t find it anywhere. He came and told me I guess our son doesn’t want it there. : )
ANYWAY when we went to go to bed, I told him just to put the things that I had gotten our daughter on the floor. When he picked it up, there was the dime.
He said Honey did you put this here? We were both baffled, not only on the bed but under her package. No one was here but my husband and myself. My husband would never pull any kind of prank on me like that.
My son was very protective of our daughter.
I know it sounds unreal, but it’s the honest truth.
The dimes we have found were like you would not expect to see one. : )
I hope that y’all enjoyed this! : )

My brother and sister were at their house in the back yard, my brother came over and asked did my sister tell us about their money tree. I said what do you mean? They were in the backyard something, he said like a bug hit him on the shoulder and he knocked it off. It was a dime.
They had never heard about the dime story.
Needless to say when we find a dime in a very unusual place OR hear other’s stories it brings a big smile to our faces.
I can’t explain it, jusy accept it! : )

Oh, it doesn’t sound unreal to me. I truly believe in spiritual symbolism. Above all else, I believe in love. Love never dies. I mean, how would we know that God loves us unless love is that force that connects between the natural and the spiritual?

Have you seen the number 14 in your life after the dimes stopped appearing?

Loly — I loved reading your story about the dimes. YES!! Spirits do leave money! My friend laughs about it all of the time. Her husband died in a tragic car accident about 10 years ago. He was an electrical contractor and a prankster. He made a good living but one her biggest gripes with him was that he was a penny pincher so of course, John only leaves her pennies. She’s so funny sometimes when she fusses at him for leave them around the house for her to pick up, but I know she loves it so I know, you must love the dimes he leaves you. It’s like to say, “I’m right here Mom” that’s what I think.
The first time I went to my grand daughter’s grave, I brought her some flowers and I said a little prayer something like “MawMaw knows you’re not here anymore (meaning her gravesite) so I have to come here to see you” and just then when I said that a beautiful little yellow butterfly fluttered over the flowers for a minute and flew away towards the trees — as if to say, “no Maw Maw, I’m not here — I’m here (meaning into the sky). It took my breath away.
Every time I see a yellow butterfly or any butterfly, I think of her. When my ex-boyfriend’s sister died, I was sitting out on the patio with his mother and as I began to tell her this story, Lo and Behold there were 2 little yellow butterflies fluttering over us. I told Ms. Joan, look at those butterflies, now I’m going to tell you my story. She was so touched. I’m convinced it was my grand daughter and her daughter saying hello.

Xena — I always get a chuckle out of LLMPapa’s videos. He’s sharp as a tack and I absolutely love his choice of music. Again! The man is Right On!! GZ reenactment will be another downfall for him. It’s like the 5th story he’s told LE and none of them are the same.

Marilyn — Here’s a couple of articles I found about Wolfinger, if you’re still interested.

OHH EMM GEE — Xena, thank you for linking Trent’s latest video tonight! Trent doesn’t hold back a thing, does he? 😀
He’s exactly right .. NBC didn’t put George into hiding. He went into hiding because he knew he royally effed up and shot an innocent young man. Now he needs $$$ for his pimp O’Mara.
pfft..

Thank you for the links….this Wolfinger is worse than I thought!!! His CRAP goes way back a whole lot of YEARS!! WOW!! I guess I didn’t know what my gut was telling me! How in this world is he even still in Florida with his corruption this long?? Looks like I got some more reading to do on this guy!
I also LOVE Trent’s videos….send more!!

Good Morning,
I have to tell you that when I woke up this morning, I was so sad, it started out as one of those days.

JB,
I’m so sorry that you lost your granddaughter. Oh sometimes the hurt is unbearable.
I was in a different mood after reading your’s and Xena’s post.
Every time I think of my son (all of the time ) or see a yellow butterfly I will think about you and your precious Granddaughter

This is amazing!!! REALLY!!
My daughter when she went to the casket had a talk with my son. She told him that every time she
see’s a yellow butterfly she’ll think of him. Yellow butterflies litterly would follow her out when she left in her car. My son-in-law was at the airport leaving Houston with my Granddaughter and there was a yellow butterfly on the window ( at the airport? )
He was out in his boat fishing and there came a yellow butterfly. Unusal right? There’s no vegetation around

2 months after my son died our pet cat(which he rescued ) died and on that day our sister-in-law also died. Where we had burried our cat Jeffrey over him were 3 butterflies flying together.
It was a terrible time, but my daughter and I both said the same thing. It was the 3 of them.
NOT that they were butterflies, but I know y’all understand.
Since our son died there have been many things that happen that make you go WOW!!
It does bring a smile to your face, just like with your Granddaughter.
You can’t explain them, but like I said you kust accept it and so far every time I tell that story,
people really don’t think I’m crazy! : )

On the 7th of this month I was shopping at Brightons. I loved my sales person and that day I was telling her about the dimes.
When she was later on writing me a Thank You note, a customer reached down and picked up a dime, she gave it to my sales person and she sent it to me, she said that she thought it belonged to me. When I opened the card and a dime fell out and she told me the story.
WOW!! it touched me so much.
My son and I used to love to shop together. : )

I am so sorry to get off of subject, but if I were going to, y’all were the ones to help.
You are wonderful sweet and loving therapy!
As Usual!! : )

@Marilyn. Re: Wolfinger. Some people should never be placed in a position of power because they abuse it. When that happens, they run their course until they are stripped of power. It’s the power that becomes their life, and it’s the removal of power that makes their life miserable. Wolfinger will see the end to his power.

@lolypop and JB. I wish that I could write a book about what you guys have shared. There’s a reason why Blackbutterfly768 was chosen as the name for the Yahoo Group that came about through several people meeting online and wanting a soft place to land along with having all documents in this case available. When we decided to start a blog, “Blackbutterfly” was taken so we used the first number of the Yahoo group to the name for the blog.

What I will do in the coming days is write an article about the butterfly and post it to the blackbutterfly7 blog. For weeks now, I’ve contemplated writing that for Sybrina. You guys have now given me a witness that I should.

For you guys, seeing butterflies after losing a loved one symbolizes that they have changed, (no longer a caterpillar, symbolically) as well as to encourage your own strength to be free from grief. It’s not “getting over” losing them, but handing it differently.

Lolypop, the number 14 is significant because there are 14 realms of the spirit. Once that number pops up several times, it means that the person has permanently moved on and no longer tries communicating with you as their love, your love, and the love of God, are one. What you then feel is a sweeping love that comes over you at unexpected times. Tears change from those of sadness to those of joy — and you might not know why but you do feel a sense of peace. The only sadness that comes about is that you do not feel that peace all the time.

That also changes. Think of it as a trickle of water breaking through a dam. The dam continues to break down until no obstacles are in the way of you becoming a life-giving stream. Streams join to make rivers, and rivers run into lakes, so it’s no accident that we all have found each other.

I took a little nap & my hubby told me that he DVR’d Geraldo for me,I ask him WHY?? He said just watch it you will Thank me….Dear Lord its JR!!!! Yep Robert Zimmerman Jr!! I’m gettin off here & go watch it.

Xena,
I wish that you would write a book too. I’m sure that you could.
You’re very good.

I want to ask though, it may be selfish, but I enjoy the dimes and butterflies. I don’t want to
not see them anymore.
My son had told me “Mom I know that mornings are the worst for you and IF I can, I will come and say good morning” I’ve had two wonderful dreams, soon after he died. In both of them he looked so happy and excited like he wanted to tell me something. There was almost a glow about him and then I woke up!!
I guess I love the dreams, the butterflies and the dimes because even though I can’t hug him pysically, I feel he’s always close by, like that is what gives me faith. Does that make sense? : )
I LOVE LOVE your stories.
They make so much sense> : )

My son was worried about all of us and wanted us to have peace. I told him I knew that it would be hard, we didn’t want to lose him, but we knew that he didn’t want to suffer, but we would all be here for each other.
We sure didn’t want him to suffer, what we had seen him go through was bad enough, but he was a real trooper.
For some reason this month has really been harder, but I remember losing him, I thought how in the world would life be in the future without him, that time doesn’t heal and I had always been told that it did. At first your in a I call it (a denial bubble that protects your heart) I guess so that you can make it trough giving him a precious memorial that he deserved so much.

I guess that I should have written this in the discuss anything, but it does have the same topic as losing someone you love so much.

You have helped so much, I know that if you could write something for Sabrina and her family, it will help them too. You have such a big heart.
Like you said it’s no accident that we found each other. : )

Marilyn,
Did Geraldo tell Robert that Trayvon deserved it because he looked like a hood?
How did it go? I would wish Geraldo would tell him it didn’t matter about the hoodie, nor any of the other BS he was saying, G Zimmerman , his brother, killed an innocent kid for no reason.

Thanks for the video Xena,
I missed that show. What pain and agony for such a precious family.
They have restrained themselves and as y’all have put it they’re class .
I don’t know how I would be in that situation, BUT I can tell you if it had been me, I would have gone to every activist that wanted justice for my son and not have my son’s death be covered up by a murderer. No way no how!

The kind of agony that no parent or anyone should have to go through. The very fact to think that they have to fight for justice for their son is appalling.
Waiting for an arrest while grieving over Trayvon is unimaginable and to think how much longer they have to wait through this whole ordeal while the Zimmerman’s run around the coutry trying to act like they did nothing wrong and while doing so, they trash the victim and his family.
This is Unbearable for anyone.
I can’t even begin to imagine the pain, waking up without their son, that was murdered for
no reason except a gun toting bastard wanted him dead.

I want to scream when Zimmerman talks about he “thought he was about his age”! BS!!
Zimmerman’s “friend” saif he wasn’t a body builder WELL nether one was.
But the one that had the gun was going to take him out, no matter what age or size.
As Dr. Phil said Trayvon was a “child”
I don’t believe Mr. Zimmerman can beat this. Every time I hear him calling in on neighbors
for no sense and then those last 911 calls “a teen up to no good” ??? HOW SO??
Zimmerman was the one up to no good.
Makes me sick that GEORGE is out on any bond!
Well.
Good night Marilyn, JB and Xena
See you tomorrow! : )

I want to scream when Zimmerman talks about he “thought he was about his age”! BS!!
Zimmerman’s “friend” saif he wasn’t a body builder WELL nether one was.
But the one that had the gun was going to take him out, no matter what age or size.
As Dr. Phil said Trayvon was a “child”

They are desperate for their words to overcome evidence. For them, there had to be a fight — not wrestling by rolling around on the grass as some witnesses have stated. What they are doing is insulting the intelligence of others because labs reports evidence that Trayvon did not touch GZ’s head or nose.

GZ was never on his back being beaten by Trayvon. It’s Trayvon’s hoodie, sweatshirt, and shoes with debris in them — not GZ’s.

The projection of the bullet provides that they were standing, or GZ shot Trayvon while Trayvon was flat on his back.

The more evidence released providing that GZ lied about what happened, the more he sends a surrogate out to the media to repeat his lies.

Hey Guys….Yall didn’t miss anything on Geraldo,he ran long about politics & barely had time for Ole Jr!! Now his JOB is to go spread the news that GZ,his brother is going to SUE NBC NEWS for editing & making him look racist!! Oh because of all this Jr has lost his job…boo hoo! He also said nobody in the family said there was a struggle for the gun,only GZ’s friends who meant well & thats why there wasn’t any DNA found on the gun.Geraldo tried to ask him about GZ LYING about the MONEY & Jr said he was NOT lying,that at the time GZ or Shellie didn’t know how much money they had,he was just kinda in a jam.Oh PULEEZZZ!! Jr tried to tell Geraldo that his address was put out there & whoops…..Geraldo cut him off…..there was no more time! So the only thing I can tell about his touring everywhere now is the same crap…..its all about how bad things are for the Zimmermans,oh I almost forgot,George had a birthday on Oct 5th.Ya know what…. that is enough right there to make anyone be sick of these IDIOTS…..at least George was ABLE to HAVE a BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Exactly Marilyn,
And he wasn’t celebrating it in jail, where he should be. Oh, poor George. Robert lost his job??
If he would stay off of TV lying and work, he may have been able to keep his job, whatever that was. I doubt he or George was working at the time.
He’s probably hoping to get a TV talk show!!
Did Geraldo say it was Trayvons fault for wearing a hoodie?
The MORE they ta;k on TV, the more lies they are caught in.
And sue NBC, I love what Trent said about that. OH, he puts it just right, so that the Zimmerman groopies can even understand it. : )

Xena, they try our intelligence daily. Trayvon’s age and whether that was GZ crying or Trayvon.
Everyone with an active brain cell knows that it was Trayvon.
Robert and his Dad sound like idiots everytime the open their mouths.
I feel so heartbroken every time I hear the Martins. it was such a senseless murder and they’ll have to hear the crap from the Zimmermans over and over again.

Junior lost his job? Another Zimmermeth sibling unemployed because of him. His sister lost her job after ShelLIE was charged with perjury. The phone calls reveal that she colluded with GZ and ShelLIE to transfer money into her account to hide it from the court.

I highly suspect that Osterman is either on administrative leave, terminated, or demoted. His job requires him to be anonymous, unrecognizable as an Air Marshall. Well, he screwed that up big time!

Hey Everybody!
I was called back in on an assignment so I’ll be out of the loop for a week or so.
Xena, I love that video. I posted it here about 3 months ago. It’s so powerful!
That guy looks exactly like my youngest son. When he talks how GZ has set us back in society, I cannot agree more with him. Actually that was my first response when I heard about this case and is the reason I deplore the Sanford Police Dept. I’m convinced had they arrested and charged George Zimmerman on the night of Feb 26, we probably wouldn’t be talking about this today. I’m also convinced Wolfinger had a lot to do with this. Serino wanted GZ arrested. Serino tried to tell them that TM wasn’t who they thought after meeting his parents.
SPD thought wrongly about Trayvon Martin. They thought he was a throw-away kid and that no one would care. WRONG. Little did he know that Trayvon’s mother worked for the county for over 20yrs. and that his father is a bigwig with the Masons. The Masons have been around for years and is a well-respected organization. George Zimmerman has to pay for his mistake just like everyone else. He effed up — plain and simple. How many other men are in prison paying for a stupid mistake? GZ is NOT SPECIAL and no amount of money or lawyering will get him out this.
I pray that this is an eye opener for all of us. First off, that this shit happens everyday somewhere in America yet we turn a blind eye because we read of black young men dying everyday, killing each other. Most white people don’t want to get involved. They feel like it’s not their problem.
I was hoping that people of all races could get together because of this case. Forget about race and focus on TM’s innocence and how he was shot for no other reason than walking while black. His skin is what made him suspicious to a paranoid wanna-be cop. I think that’s obvious so why can’t we ALL say it?
What happened to Trayvon Martin proves that black young men are handled differently by LE than white.
If that’s not true, then GZ would have been arrested the night he killed Trayvon Martin. It’s the sad truth. God help us if the majority can’t agree with that.

So Junior’s unemployed too huh? Ahh — I’m a huge believer in karma. The Zimmerman’s are GREEDY and that’s why these things are happening to them. If JUST ONE of them would have said, “I love my brother/son but he’s made a mistake which caused the death of a child” No, instead they go out on a money making campaign. They go out and hit the media circuit pandering for money for their killer brother!
LOL
I was just going to say — You know, the only one we haven’t heard from is Gladys, George’s mother. Ha! So I Googled her name and here she is! She’s on Piers Morgan tonight at 8pm CST, 9EST TONIGHT! We can’t make this shit up.. LOL

Hey Marilyn,
Hope you’re feeling better. Doesn’t this media BS remind you of George & Cindy Anthony’s media blitz? Ha! Well, Casey was acquitted because she didn’t kill her daughter. On the other hand, GZ admitted to killing an unarmed teen. GZ admitted to sitting on the child’s back after he shot him.
And MORE IMPORTANTLY, Casey Anthony had a good attorney who told her NOT to talk to ANYONE, not by phone or mail. GZ was wheeling and dealing funds from his jail cell, incorporating his wife and sister in crime.
George is an idiot and that acorn didn’t fall far from the tree. Enuf said. Every time he speaks, he’s digging his own grave and his family is not helping him. Rock on Zims! Keep talking.

Lolypop,
I want to scream right along with you. GZ knew TM was young. He’s such a liar that he can’t keep his lies straight. I just don’t know how anyone can believe a word he says.
Xena,
I thought about GZ shooting TM while standing too. But after I did some more reading over the witness reports, I’m beginning to believe that GZ was sitting on top of Trayvon and shot him as soon as the person with the flashlight walked up. Dumbass George thought the guy was a cop and he didn’t want Trayvon to tell him that George had been holding him at gun point. JMO

Holy Crap….I missed Pierce Morgan…but it will come on again in a little over an hour & I’ll catch it then.Thanks for telling us!! I think about the only one we have left of the family tour is Gracie,Susie…hell they lied even about their names,so I don’t remember whos name was whos!!
Yes JB this does remind me of the Anthonys & their daily tour….it wore me out keeping up with all their appearances!! You are also so RIGHT about Casey being SMART keeping her mouth SHUT & doing what Jose told her,no phone calls,no visits,NOTHING.She has a brain & did NOT kill her child! She is still doing what her attorneys say!
GZ is so full of himself & thinks he is so much smarter than all of them that he is not going to listen to anybody! In some of those 100+ phone calls that I listened to he was demanding for people to get out & vocalize his side of the story! I don’t understand WHY any of these people are listening to him & going down too! Its like watching the Titanic!

Hi Marilyn,
I just watched the first 45 seconds of Gladys’s interview and had to switch channels. LOL Maybe you’ll be able to last longer. All I can say — These people are sickening!
Piers asked Gladys — something like “do you have any regrets that your son was carrying a gun?” She said “no”!
Of course anyone with a half of brain would have said they wished their son wouldn’t have carried a gun. Or said, I wish he’d left it in his car.. Sumthin but “NO” OMG!!
I just want to scream.
If this were one of my sons or twin daughters who did this, I certainly couldn’t say “no, I have no regrets that my child was carrying a gun” That’s a given and if she can’t state the truth then that makes her another Lying Zim.
I’d regret anything that my child did that caused death or pain to someone else. What’s up with her? She’s afraid the NRA is going to pull their support?? These people are brazen.
Usually, I feel sorrow for mothers whose son is facing prison time but I have nothing for her. To sit there and say that you have no regrets that your son killed an innocent kid — Grr
Now I know where George gets this Holier-than-thou attitude. She should have said, I regret not making him more accountable for his bad behavior. Then I might have respected her..

OK….I watched it!! Damn,with all the commercials the 2 of them barely got 5 mins of air time.Hooray…its about time that these shows are getting wise that we the public are SICK of these NUTCASES!! Plus its not working to change anyones mind that George is a CHOIR BOY!! In fact all that I DO know about this case….the crap they are coming on these show saying is just damn INSULTING to me! The only thing Gladys wanted to get out there seemed like to me was that other case where George helped that homelss black man AGAIN….we’ve heard this over & over.Somebody please give him a medal so they will shut up about this! If she was ask anything else.she didn’t want to answer to affect his case….well….what the hell are you doing on NATIONAL TV????!!! OMG!!

Hi,
JB, Marilyn and Xena : )
It’s very hard to listen to these bastards, I litterly get sick, but watch anyway.
I have it taped, just saw the last of the earlier one.

Xena,
The video wants to make you cry. can some in this country be so cold and stupid NOT to see what is real. Things haven’t changed a whole hell of a lot. We are in 2012 and in parts it’s still like the 60’s. I DO cry.
Will it ever be what we would like it to be.
Rodney King “Can’t we all get along”? That was it self over 20 years ago

In 2008 after the election, there were T parties and all kind of screaming from a few saying we want our country back. Back to what? You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure out. what they meant? Surely weren’t talking about more wars people losing their homes.
Are we going backwards? I hope not.

I did hear the idiot mother say if it were Trayvon that killed her son would she feel the same way?
Her answer???? “I can’t answer that.” What kind of nut jobs are these anyway and JB, really WHY have all of them all over the TV talking, talking and more talking. Do they really think it helps?
The LIES they all tell are completely unacceptable, BUT yet the Zimmerman defenders are supporting Zimmerman lying and most of these are hristian and they’re all right with Zimmerman saying it was God’s plan???

I can’t stand people using God for their crimes. DO WHAT???? Most American’s to that answer would say Excuse Me that was not God’s plan , But oh, hell no!! They don’t care. They KNOW George was wrong, his lies, his murder and stealing, BUT they ALL condone everything he does?
And WHY? You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure that one out either.

Piers talked about it could be his son, when the president and others said it, they singled out the president. It could be anyone son. As far as putting God in it, aren’t WE all his children.
If they don’t believe that then they can’t believe in God.
I don’t know much about religion, but I respect them all.The reason people are killed in masses is because they think the other can’t love God as much as they do.
I’m just sick of it and to think a family is in total agony because some idiot said it was God’s plan???
If George or any of his family believe that, I guess if they get killed, It was God’s plan?
Oh, I don’t think so.

JB, have fun on your assignment. I will miss you. My time this week is rather short too with projects, but I’ll still check in.

Re: Momma Zim. It’s all an effort to get more donations. I did discern that her interview was to defend that GZ is not racist. There’s something going on in the background. They are too desperate to try and prove that GZ is not racist. Well, you can’t tell that by his supporters. They deliberately and consistently project, infer, or outright say that Trayvon deserved to be killed because of his race.

IMO, the feds are still investigating. GZ’s family knows because O’Mara knows, and there is absolutely nothing they can do besides strike before it happens. GZ’s mom is just as self-deceived as he is. GZ wasn’t helping the homeless guy. Rather, he was criticizing the SPD for playing favorites the same way that GZ was shown favoritism.

Actually Lolypop, I’m happy that GZ blamed God because that makes God a party to defend himself and He is the ultimate judge.

Hi Xena & Everyone
I am glad someone else gets the feeling there is just something up with the RACIST thing.Here lately,it seems like that is the FOCUS.Could there be more charges coming? I don’t know,but my gut is telling me that this PARADE of FAMILY & FRIENDS trying to pound in everyone’s head that George is not a racist seems like over the top.My focus is on he shot,killed a CHILD,was not arrested until all hell broke loose! NONE of these people even want to discuss that part when they come on my TV!!! Like the part about wearing a gun EVERYWHERE,staying in his truck.These questions don’t seem to matter to them.There is SOMETHING we don’t know yet!!

Marillyn,
A lot we don’t know, THAT they do.
If Trayvon was murderered and looked suspicious there was nothing suspicious looking about
him, he wasn’t doing anything, just to GEORGE looked suspicious, they’re going to have a hard time proving it wasn’t race. In that case it would be a hate crime .
George knew Trayvon wasn’t doing anything, even when telling the 911 dispatcher , yep, there’s something worng with him. HE’S got his hand in his waistband??? Really???
That’s not against the law!!
Everything he say’s to the dispatcher is on tape, the 911 calls are on tape because of the neighbors calling in and you could hear Trayvon crying in the background VERY CLEARLY so I don’t think we know what is all on the tapes. That’s why the Zimmerman’s are nervous.
They can try and explain that away all day, but it isn’t going to work.
Like JB said about the Casey trial, Jose telling her not to talk to anyone and she didn’t, but the Zimmerman’s can’t wait to get on TV and ramble on.

Everyone knows George is lying. Every time he tells the story it’s different!.
Frankly it’s about justice for Trayvon, a life cut way to short because some idiot wanted to kill him before the police got there. He did what he wanted to and has never been one bit remorseful.

Xena, right about throwing God in there. I still can believe he said it was God’s Plan, no regrets.
I just can’t imaine that.
I wish it had been that God had protected Trayvon from George Zimmerman.

As soon as I got home, I did a check to see what’s up with GZ and it seems O’Mara is asking for a delay of trial because they need more time to depose 50-75 witnesses and review the prosecution’s evidence.
Hmm.. That’s funny. I didn’t realize that a trial date had been set? And isn’t that why O’Mara hired another attorney to help him? He’s such a whiny baby, huh?
Reminder: Hearing — Oct 19
Zimmerman’s attorneys say they’ll also ask thejudge to allow
Martin’s school records to be subpoenaed,
as well as information from his Twitter and Facebook accounts.

I still don’t know how any of this justifies murder. Even if Trayvon was just released from juvenile prison that day, he had a legal right to be in the apartment complex. He was visiting his dad’s girlfriend. He wasn’t doing anything against the law, bottom line. All of this is irrelevant and a waste of time.

Re: Momma Zim. It’s all an effort to get more donations. I did discern that her interview was to defend that GZ is not racist. There’s something going on in the background. They are too desperate to try and prove that GZ is not racist. Well, you can’t tell that by his supporters. They deliberately and consistently project, infer, or outright say that Trayvon deserved to be killed because of his race.

I KNOW! Why now? Why is it so important to prove Zim is not a racist?
Hmm.. Maybe the FBI is noticing his supporters? Maybe there is a connection that we don’t know about yet? Like you, I’m curious.
Honestly, I think Gladys is embarrassed by George and that’s why she’s hiding her face.
George shames her family by molesting his cousin, he can’t seem to hold onto a steady job, he’s been arrested a few times, he’s had an order of protection put against him and now he’s murdered an innocent child causing her family to go into hiding. No — I don’t think Jorge is her favorite.

And — According to some family members, she’s all about appearances. Like she wanted GZ to marry a light skinned person. She’s highly superficial and I sense racism in her. Maybe that’s where GZ got it from. JMO

Loly,
I’m so fed up with these people. And as far as TM putting his hand in his waistband, IF he did, it was probably to make the crazy man stalking him to think he was carrying a gun. That’s something I would do. It was a defensive move.
Here’s another little story of mine.. lol
Years ago, I was at the neighborhood playground one morning with my 2 babies. It was about 9am and no one was around when a strange man drove up in a utility van and parked. He was just sitting there staring directly at me. I was getting scared.
With both of the babies buckled in the swings — my mind was racing. I’m thinking, If this guy comes over here and grabs one of my children, I’m going to do what ever he tells me.
So I nonchalantly started taking the kids out of the swings and putting them in the stroller. When I looked up again, he moved to a picnic table, closer to me. I didn’t know what to do then Thank God, a truck load of men who were working on the house nearby drove by and they began hooting and howlering at me. LOL (That’s when I was young and cute) So I smiled and waved back, yelling “hey Johnny, how ya doing!” 😀
No, I didn’t know any of them but I wanted that strange guy to think that somebody saw me. And sure enough that guy walked back to his van and drove off.
Girl, I couldn’t get back to my house quick enough lol So that’s why I think TM did that on purpose to try and scare off GZ. Of course GZ told Hannity that it didn’t scare him that he knew he wasn’t carrying a gun which tells me George was “up to no good”. Just like that stranger who was eyeing me and my two children, if he didn’t believe any of those men knew me, he may have done something to hurt me and my children.

Junior is looking for accomplishments to put on his resume. In a series of tweets, he threatened Attorney Jackson to have her disbarred for being on the “Scheme” team. Where have we heard that phrase used? On the conservative doghouse.

O’Mara finally stepped up:

“Defense attorney Mark O’Mara said he cringed when he saw a relative of his client acting out on the web, and said the new media tour was launched without George Zimmerman’s knowledge. His message to Robert Jr: “Be careful with my case.”

There’s a psychological game some people play. It’s like a husband cheating on his wife. The husband is caught red handed. The wife calls him a cheater. What does he do? He accuses the wife of cheating.

The Zidiot argument of the month is based on the bigotvoyant agenda that anyone who does not believe that Zimmermeth is not racist, is a racist. You can read it now on the conservative doghouse blog. LOL!!!

In their bigotvoyant minds, Trayvon had ability to become invisible, a “spook,” who only made himself visible again to beat GZ’s behind, because Trayvon was racist.

Interestingly, the bigotvoyants do not know the differences between those who are prejudiced, those who are racists, and those who are racial bigots. They put it all in one bag identifying it as the same because — that is what bigotvoyants do.

And that my good friends, is why those who do have knowledge of race relations, sociology, humanities and the like, do not take them seriously and shake their head at such ignorance.

Can I get a head shake?

I don’t believe for one second that Trayvon placed his hand in his waistband. What GZ did was make sure that he or the cops could shoot Trayvon on suspicion of having a weapon. Well, if the cops get away with killing innocent people on the basis that they thought keys or cell phones where guns, why not GZ? Did you see the movie “Jackie Brown”? There’s a version of that chapter from the playbook when at almost the end of the movie, she yells out “He’s got a gun” and the agent comes out of the dark and shoots the character played by Samuel L. Jackson.

Long say ahead of me tomorrow, so I have to get in all the trouble I can in the next hour before turning in. LOL

Oh, that’s a good thinking JB! lol
I wishTrayvon would have really know the true danger he was in, but then you don’t know how to
react. Like a dog running at you, sometimes you just freeze.
.

George on the other hand had no worries. You can tell when he’s talking to the dispatcher, for instance,
George: He’s got his hand in his waistband, a botton on his shirt and yeah, somethings wrong with with him, he’s coming to get me????????????????

OH, Really fat ass George Well if you thought you were really threatened you would say calmly he’s coming to get me/ or was it at me??
Anyway he is in his truck, if he thought he was in danger he would have SCREAMED, HE’S COMING AT ME, you know like they the Zimmermans try to say it was him screaming, NOT Trayvon crying.
So he wouldn’t worry about screaming, right ?
He said he wasn’t scared because he knew that Trayvon didn’thave a gun?
That proves he stalked him, harrassed him, then murdered him.
GREAT!
I hope that they play this for the jury.
You know, we could write down every single thing that he lied about.
WE KNOW THEM!!
His supporters know them, They don’t care just like they don’t care that he killed a child.

He saysHe/George forgot he had his gun BUT thinks Trayvon may get his???
EVEN IF HE STAYED IN HIS SHRUCK????
He’s dumber than a rock.
Maybe Trayvon had his hand in his jacket pocket because it was cold.
I agree JB,
The FBI knows a hell of a lot more than we do for sure.
Like you, how much time do they need? I thought that the trial wasn’t going to start until next year, but maybe they had set a date. I don’t remember hearing it.
WHY did his mother think she needed to talk? One reason and it’s BS!

They allow an interview only because they can say what they want to.
Right on! Keep talking as JB suggest! : )

Just thought of something, maybe O’Mara needs more time to figure out which of lies that George has told to represent to the court.

Xena,
“And that my good friends, is why those who do have knowledge of race relations, sociology, humanities and the like, do not take them seriously and shake their head at such ignorance.

Can I get a head shake?”

LOL, you got it!!!
I know I’ve said it before but willful ignorant people are very dangerous.
They don’t want to try and change their brain it’s just too hard.
To try and think for themselves is too big of a challenge for them.

Many times they know nothing at all about what’s going on so they put whatever 2 cents that they have in with the rest of the sheep. : )
I’ve actually heard them.
Oh, if they really don’t know, they repeat the same lies they’ve heard!
It’s scarey actually because there are way too many like that.

I also believe that George just wanted to kill Trayvon. He knew he wasn’t a danger to George and the police were there in a minute after. All he had to do was wait, but he did what he wanted to play cops, do the take down, like you showed in the video and murder him.
IMO that’s exactly why Trayvon was crying.

Zimmerman idiots show much more ignorance when they “BELIEVE” it was George.
They KNOW better or they really are just ate up with the stupids!

Hi Xena,
Well it’s official! LOL Yup the entire Zimmerman family are a bunch of paranoid, egotistical buffoons.
I have some advice for Junior — Stay the hell off of the internet if you don’t like what you read moron!

I don’t believe for one second that Trayvon placed his hand in his waistband. What GZ did was make sure that he or the cops could shoot Trayvon on suspicion of having a weapon. Well, if the cops get away with killing innocent people on the basis that they thought keys or cell phones where guns, why not GZ? Did you see the movie “Jackie Brown”? There’s a version of that chapter from the playbook when at almost the end of the movie, she yells out “He’s got a gun” and the agent comes out of the dark and shoots the character played by Samuel L. Jackson.

Very interesting theory Xena, I’m going to give that some thought.

I just want you to know that I don’t think it hurts Trayvon at all if he did reach in his waistband and then walked up to his truck. That just show that TM was cognizant of GZ following him.

Serino made an excellent point in regards to GZ’s claim that and TM circled his truck. First he asked him how close did TM come to his vehicle, GZ said “one car length”. Det.Serino then asked him why since TM was so close, did he not tell him who he was and why he was following him.

When on the phone with NEN, GZ says paraphrasing, “yup he’s reaching in his waistband, he’s coming to check me out.. ” Yet GZ says he didn’t know if TM was armed or not.

Det. Singleton asked GZ — If you didn’t know if he was armed why did you get out of your truck.?
It’s a no-win situation for George.
So if 50% of the people in GZ’s position would have believed TM was armed than it means that GZ is either mentally impaired & had no common sense or he went out looking for a show down.
Being the coward that he is, George was only willing to take that chance because he WAS armed and just like his hot headed brother Junior he was going for vigilante justice. IMO

Loly, I totally agree with you. I think you and I are saying the same thing. Either way, George is screwed.
You said:

Anyway he is in his truck, if he thought he was in danger he would have SCREAMED, HE’S COMING AT ME, you know like they the Zimmermans try to say it was him screaming, NOT Trayvon crying.
So he wouldn’t worry about screaming, right ?

Very good point! That was the time to yell for help. Like you said once before, when you see a snake — you run away, not towards the snake. So GZ can’t sit on the phone and tell the NEN dispatcher all these dangerous things about TM and when TM runs away, jump out of the safety of his car to go look for him. Cuz that’s exactly what he did — not that bullshit of looking for an address.
Oh pu-leeeez.

Xena,
You have my hand shake! Perfect analogy.
“The man doth protest too much me thinks”?
meaning that one can “insist so passionately about something not being true that people suspect the opposite of what one is saying.” 😉 Got it.
And thank you for the description of a bigotvoyant. I didn’t know there was a name for people like that.

From what we’ve learned about the Zims, they are highly judgmental people which explains their paranoia of being judged.
It was okay for George to judge Trayvon Martin though.. and murdered him. They have nothing to say about that. But don’t judge them or they’ll sue you. Buffoonery!
Maybe George should have sued Trayvon for visiting Brandy Greene @ RVC instead of killing him? Ya think? The nerve..

Maybe George should have sued Trayvon for visiting Brandy Greene @ RVC instead of killing him? Ya think? The nerve..

More than likely, Zimmermeth didn’t want Greene or “Black” living in his community and that is why he harassed them. What I found absolutely funny was Taaffe blaming crime on “renters” when GZ was a renter.

Hi Guys
Lastnight after I went over Glady’s so called interview with Piers,my blood started boiling.The first thing that came to my mind was “THE 1st BOND HEARING” when this WHOLE family was in on a conspiracy to flat out LIE to the Judge!! ALL of them had their say in how good he was,how themselves had NO MONEY,etc…..all except ROBERT JR(who we know has a cell phone that is twittering to get Ms Jackson disbarred right now),who was MIA!!! Even Gladys said she paid their rent! WHY didn’t Piers ask Gladys WHY they all lied in court?? Plus WHY anybody should believe ANYTHING they ALL say now? They ALL knew about the MONEY because they were all getting some of it!! Piers should have said since you & your husband have been in the justice system & believe in it…why did you teach your son to LIE & ABUSE the system every time he gets in trouble!!!
There is really some crap going on behind the scenes with this whole family!! O’Mara can’t control any of them! I wonder if their PENSIONS are in danger? All these idiots are doing to me & others are INSULTING us.If we happen to forget something….all we have to do is look it up on the internet,read or watch….like I did the 1st bond hearing!!
EVERYBODY knows stupid ass George was never in any danger from this CHILD.If he thought he was in danger….I got an idea….DRIVE AWAY!!! If he thought Trayvon had a gun too….wouldn’t that be the smartest thing to do? PULLEEEZZZ.
I can’t figure out WHAT O’Mara needs TIME to do…we all saw the crime scene,how many items were there? Lets see…flashlight,keys,plastic bag,phone.There were not that many witnesses…why such a DELAY? Except to try to PLEAD a deal….I thought thats what O’Mara was known for anyway.These people drive me nuts trying to repair their image that THEY say others did…NO YALL DID IT BY LYING on nationl TV!!! Thanks for letting me get that out my Dear Friends!!

Well how’s this Robert, I’m not sure if you’re still a lawyer, but if you haven’t been disbarred, WHAT are they waiting for?
Also, if not disbarred why not be George’s lawyer? ( Oh, what a beaut that would be ).
Why don’t the Zimmerman’s set the stage, YOU his lawyer and Robert Sr. the judge?
This really shows how stupid the whole bunch is on George’s team.

Defense attorney Mark O’Mara said he cringed when he saw a relative of his client acting out on the web, and said the new media tour was launched without George Zimmerman’s knowledge. His message to Robert Jr: “Be careful with my case.”

“I have been cautious with how we act in this case and now someone with the same last name who does not act with the same constraints is out there — and I have no control over him,” O’Mara said. “They felt it was time to let the world know that the Zimmerman family is a good family. That goal is a noble goal.

“But they do have to be sensitive to the environment in which we are telling this story. No matter what, George is still at risk here. And we still have a dead young man — that’s fresh on everyone‘s mind. That frustrates me ”

O’Mara this is such a crock of horse shit. Without George’s knowledge? O’Mara still believes him.
WHY Just now coming out and WHY didn’t you ask the judge for a gag order O’Mara says he has been cautious with how they act in this case????? Really??? O’Bullshit, you were the one with George Zimmerman on the Hannty show where your client busted himself big. He said NO REGRETS!! That’s BIG, But the jury does take in to accout REMORSE. O’BS even said he thought it was a novle goal to let the world know that the Zimmermans were a good family.
I DON’T GIVE A DAMN!!!! You’re client isn’t going to be asked about that in the murder trial of Trayvon Martin.Many families may have been good families, BUT that doesn’t excuse them of murder!

And O’Mara is frustrated now? Really!!When did you decide to get frustrated. The guy with the same name is his brother. Don’t try to make out like you don’t know.
I would rather choose frustrated any day other than grief of losing a child and let’s talk FRUSTRATION.
How do you think the Martins felt until They were even able to have GEORGE arrested for Trayvon’s murder.
You have to show sensitvity???? You haven’t!!
What about you allowing GEORGE to give interviews, NO REGRETS!
AND you’ve shown none yourself. STUPID, having George apologize for MURDERING the Martins son in court.Did you think that was showing sensitivity? It showed arrogance.
THEN right after that in an interview, he says plainly NO REGRETS! It was phony

Marilyn, like you
I have to say THANKS FOR LETTING ME GET THAT OUT.
WOW, I didn’t even get to finish reading that crock from Robert.
They all make me sick!

JBMISSION says:
“It was okay for George to judge Trayvon Martin though.. and murdered him. They have nothing to say about that. But don’t judge them or they’ll sue you. Buffoonery!
Maybe George should have sued Trayvon for visiting Brandy Greene @ RVC instead of killing him? Ya think? The nerve”.

Maybe Trayvon shouldn’t have judged a resident when he decided to come back and harass them in they’re vehicle, and then try to murder them for calling the police.

See how it works?

The evidence against TM is powerful, and the case is falling apart.

If you all think GZ is in trouble, then you must believe AC is holding on to a bombshell.

DeeDee is completely laughable, and using her in this case is not going to happen.

AC & Bernie now know if they try to use her, and if by some miracle a small amount of her testimony got in, AC & Bernie can kiss their careers goodbye.

Right now most people believe without a doubt GZ was the one crying for help.

Very few think it was TM, but there are a few holdouts that can’t face reality

Loly….every time somebody trys to tell me that it wasn’t rainy or chilly on that FEB. night,all I have to do is ask them, Why in the hell Ole George was wearing LONG SLEEVE SHIRT with a LONG SLEEVE RAIN JACKET,plus HEAVY ASS BOOTS!!! Damn Fools.

The ass said that it wasn’t cold OR raining that night????? </blockquote?

That's classic Zimmermeth supporter lies. It's an insult to intelligence. It's also inconsistent with their argument that Zimmermeth said "It's f'ing cold" rather than "f'ing coons."

I remember when the report was released that said Trayvon was shot in the heart, and the path of the bullet was straight, front to back. A Zidiot said to me that Trayvon was shot in the stomach. I referred him to the medical examiner's report. He still insisted that Trayvon was shot in the stomach and the bullet traveled to his heart. So, I pressed him more about the medical examiner's report. Then he said (tick, tick, tick. Wait for it —)

That he is an ex-cop and knows about bullet projection, and that since GZ was on his back with Trayvon straddling him, that he would only be able to shoot Trayvon in the stomach.

He just proved that GZ lied about his and Trayvon's position when he shot him.

Xena,
The Zimidiots have an excuse for everything, just like George.
To be able to come up with these inane scenarios, they must be well-practiced in justifying their own wrongful doings. I’d hate to know what they tell their spouses after they were caught cheating. lol
Can you imagine this guy getting caught at a cheap motel with his girlfriend? “Ah — I was too tired to drive home from work, so I checked into a motel room, fell asleep and “Voila” there she was. The motel clerk must’ve accidentally given her the key to my room because I’ve never seen this woman in my life” lol Sumthin like that..
The most amazing thing the Zimidiots seem to do is gloss over the entire NEN call. They pretend like none of that happened. They start off with GZ was walking along looking for address (cough) and was suckered punched by TM, GZ was thrown to the ground, then TM started banging GZ’s head on the pavement so GZ had no choice but to kill him.
What? lol
What happened to TM running away?
What happened to “these assholes always get away” huff puff huff puff “effing coons/punks”? What happened to GZ admitting that TM asked him “why are you following me?”
They pretend that TM didn’t deserve an answer.
Everything that happened before TM “allegedly punched him” is kicked to the curb and the funniest part of it all — is that the NEN call and the witness 911 call (shot fired) are the only real facts of the case because we all heard it. We definitely don’t have believe George the Liar And we don’t have to believe any witnesses. We heard it and the evidence backs it up. So enough with the buffoonery! LOL
Someone at Leatherman’s likes the word “buffoon” 😉

Marilyn,
By the time this case gets to trial, it will have changed to a warm and sunny afternoon. The Zimbots thnk if they keep repeating something enough, it’ll magically become fact.

Loly,
If it wasn’t raining, why was Georgie wearing a jacket? Maybe to make himself look buff? I’ve never seen a person in Florida wear a jacket in 65 degrees. GMAB! A hoodie would suffice and that’s exactly what Trayvon was wearing. A hood to cover his head from the rain and a light jacket to keep off the droplets.
IMO, someone wearing a red coat in Florida and creeping down the street with his headlights off is suspicious. Actually downright creepy. ::shivers::
Trayvon must have been very afraid.

To be able to come up with these inane scenarios, they must be well-practiced in justifying their own wrongful doings. I’d hate to know what they tell their spouses after they were caught cheating. lol

Kinda makes you wonder about their personal and employment relationships, doesn’t it? Actually, it’s called “harassment.” They continue the same thing long enough to get their way — like little kids do until their parents give up and let them have their way.

You are correct. They don’t start from the beginning. No consideration is given to GZ’s NEN call, his re-enactment that contradicts his statements in that call, neither GZ’s TIMING.

GZ followed Trayvon in his truck. Trayvon ran to an area where no vehicle could enter. He was on the phone with DeeDee. How was Trayvon to know that the FOOL would get out of his truck and follow him on foot?

We know what Trayvon was doing because his phone records provide evidence — he was talking on his phone. GZ had plenty of time to get his chubby behind back inside his truck — but he wanted the cops to call him for his location. Yeah. Sure. He didn’t know where he would find Trayvon, but he was going to hunt him down.

I wish while this family is on their “Choir Boy tour”,or maybe I’m suppose to call it the George helping the black homeless man tour,whatever they are on….I wish somebody would ask either Jr or Gladys,WHY WERE YALL ESTRANGED FROM GEORGE BEFORE THE SHOOTING HAPPENED? I don’t know why I even ask because right now I can’t believe anything they say & that is SAD.If they could….they would have Grandma on TV lying!!

Hello fellow Trayvonites!
Finally able to settle in for the night. Busy, busy..
Xena,
Exactly! No consideration whatsoever given to the NEN call or his idiotic reenactment. You make a very good point — TM ran where GZ’s shruck couldn’t go. So are we to believe TM was clairvoyant and able to predict George would come looking for him on foot? Highly unlikely. After listening to the NEN call a 1000 times, I got the impression that when GZ skated around giving the dispatcher his exact location, his intention was to find TM before LE got there.
Another thing that has my mind spinning, when GZ was asked for his address, he said to the dispatcher, “I don’t know where this kid is”. I take that to mean, he knows TM isn’t far away or he already had his sights on TM when he said that. That would take a depraved mind. I can hardly wait to hear the State’s case.

Marilyn,
The Cholr Boy Tour was a flop in my opinion. lol What did we learn from it? That’s GZ’s entire family are a bunch of self serving monsters who don’t give a crap that an innocent young man’s life was taken? All they seem to care about is the Zimmerman family’s pain and inconvenience and their non-existant reputation. They really think waaay too much of themselves. They act as if they were public figures or movie stars before this happened. WTH?
Ha! I wish someone would have asked Gladys why she hadn’t talked to her son George for years?

Let me interpret what Junior is saying in the media:
“I am very angry that Blacks organized and got their way. White-Hispanics are better than Blacks and authorities in Florida should NEVER have questioned George.”

“How did Blacks ever come into so much power that they were able to do that and also have Whites join them? This nation is now filled to “N” loving liberals because of Obama.”

“Where did Trayvon’s parents get that much money from to hire attorneys and a PR guy? Aren’t all Blacks on welfare? ”

“Black attorneys!?!?!? Since when do law schools accept Blacks? It’s my life’s mission to have them disbarred!”

“The media started all this when they got the police reports that say my brother is White. They didn’t verify that information before giving it to the public. I know he was in hiding, but they should have waited until he contacted them for an interview.”

“Blacks should apologize to my brother and family. Since when are White-Hispanics judged for killing children?”

“I want my life back. My brother wants his life back. My parents want their lives back. The only way that is going to happen is if we take our country back. Get rid of constitutional amendments that made Blacks citizens of the United States. Then people like George can use self-defense without being questioned and call himself White without having to apologize for it.”

Oh Lord have Mercy….I tip toed in over at the treehouse to see if maybe the TOUR was OVER……Hell NO its not!! I don’t know if yall even care to go read it or not b/c its so sickening from Daddy Judge! He was THANKING them for all their support,etc.
JB…..are your feelings hurt b/c you didn’t get a Thank You letter from Daddy Judge??!! I know you are going to loose so much sleep over it!!
In his letter,he said he looked forward to the day George will again be a free man,he’s lookling forward to many involved being held accountable for their egregious,malicious & illegal conduct that includes many.
Oh HELL….are you kidding me right now!!! This shit just doesn’t stop!! I just now got layed down to do my reading & THIS is what I’ve found right off the bat.Its gonna be a high blood pressure night!

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Marilyn, I went to take a look at the TCT looking for something about PaPa Judge didn’t find anything except that Jordan2222 is my stalker “jezzz” I also noticed that they’re so bored that they’re outting each other.
LOL It seems there are a few from The Caylee Daily who are spies! LOL OMG! It’s soooo funny.
I’m going to bed now with a big fat smile on my face. I love when I see discord at the enemy camp.
JB

I thought that I had said on the tape at Huff that it was 7:10, but it was at the beginning 3:59
and he elaborated on the rain 3 times.
I think I finally found it and changed it so that the idiot could hear in his own words.
In fact, Hannity ” Why did he look suspicious” ?
George starts out it was “raining.” I wonder what people all look like when the’re caught in the rain.
I imagine George looked rather STUPID since he was in a truck, but got out and started chasing Trayvon. He say’s he wasn’t, that he was just going the same direction. HELLO!!
Only the Zimmerman as Trent calls the Fn’idiots.

THEN he didn’t ever lose him and yes, JB, he knew he was close by. that’s why he was said I don’t want to tell you my number to the dispatcher, HE was SO afraid Trayvon would hear the number, SO he knew he was close and he, Trayvon was dead minutes after.

Marilyn, If his Grandparents are still alive, which they probably are, they will be the next ones on TV, yapping about George not being a racist. NOT that they believe so much that George would never kill an unarmed child. that’s immaterial to them. They want to just keep saying the worst thing was that George was called a racist.That’s a lot of impathy for the Martin family isn’t it?

Xena,
Absolutely agree 100% with your interpretation of Jr.
How dare???? THese people are SO below us!

And all of this in the beginning did get all lost. I never thought Trayvon said do you have a problem
homie and George said No I don’t have a problem. Did he turn around and head for his shruck or
did Travon just hall off and hit the nose. IF so, he wasn’t ( as we’ve said along ) going back to his
shruck. I don’t think one thing that george and his family and friends say haveany truth to them.

One thing that I don’t get is him talking to the Singleton, is that right? The next morning and aaking did you sleep last night. You look like you’re probably used to this????
Like he was talking about anything other than murdering a child.
You can tell right there he is confident he won’t get charged with murder.

Marilyn,
I just read what you were saying.
ALERT!!!!
I now you’re tempted, but you don’t need the high blood pressure.
Stay away from snake pits! lol

You know on that interview, with H, he says at 5:00 He/George NEVER felt threated??
What was he trying to convey to the dispatcher when he said “now he’s looking at me”.

And at 6:20 on the tape he said that he said puke and that when he heard the tape he was SURE! So he had to listen to the tape and said it was clear as day he said punk.

At 7:10 He also says Trayvon was running to the dispatcher BUT, then in the interview Trayvon wasn’t running, runinng in fear.
He was running away from him, or the rain, But mr. Zimmerman has no idea how much fear Trayvon felt. I now how I would have felt.
Trayvon was “SCARED” as anyone would be that such a creep was stalking him.

Maybe Trayvon shouldn’t have judged a resident when he decided to come back and harass them in they’re vehicle, and then try to murder them for calling the police.

Spectator1,
I don’t know where to start. Other than you coming here to discuss something that hasn’t been entered into evidence such as “TM coming back to harass George” nothing you have said makes a difference in the outcome of the case.
First of all, even IF Trayvon at any time circled his truck, stuck both middle fingers up and mooned George, it still doesn’t give George a right to shoot him dead. Not to mention the fact if the Buffoon was afraid of Trayvon, then he shouldn’t have gotten out his truck.
DeeDee isn’t the whole case. She’s a very small part of it because the NEN call tells the whole story. As far as I’m concerned AC doesn’t need anything else. Just George screaming “assholes always get away” and “effing coons”
Angela Corey has a witness who describes a chase which is supported by the fact that TM’s body was found 50ft from the intersection of the T where he says Trayvon approached him and asked him a VERY LOGICAL question, “why the fuck are you following me, FAT ASS, Do you have a fucking problem with me??” <<— Paraphrasing of course because I've read 3 different versions from GZ.
George lies and says, “No, I don’t have a problem”. If he didn’t have a problem then why did he call NEN? Why is he following him?
Well, it seems like George was racially profiling because according to the NEN call, he admits there were several break-ins at the apartment complex. According to discovery, every time George called NEN, it was to report a suspicious black man. He never called to report a suspicious white man. So there you have it. He doesn't know if all of the burglaries were committed by black men.
Right now people can believe whatever they want, a FBI expert has already deemed that the voice screaming for help wasn't George. They can't ascertain if it was Trayvon because they don't have a sample of his recorded voice, but we do know, ITS NOT George. so it has to be Trayvon Martin.

BTW where are you getting this information? I hope you're not building your argument on George's statements because he is a proven liar and so is the rest of his family.
Spectator1, I suggest you go back and read the released documents and then come back to discuss this case.

OMG Marilyn,
No way are my feelings hurt. 🙂 But I’d would be thrilled if Jose Baez contacted me. He’s a man I respect because he fought so hard for his client, like no other attorney I’ve ever come across. So IMO, he’s a true warrior for Justice, not some magistrate judge.
I haven’t been to the treehouse is months but I just might go have a look just for shits and giggles. I can imagine they’re all having orgasms over there. LOL “oooh JUDGE Zimmerman is thanking us for being buffoons like him and his family” The banana trees been drinking the Zim-O-lade so where else can Bobby Sr. go to get some respect? Not here and any other reputable site that I know of.
Yeah, George will be a free man in 2038, I doubt Bobby Sr. will see his son outside of bars in his life time. He better enjoy it now.
Marilyn,
You know, I actually believed OJ was innocent and you and most of us believed Casey Anthony was innocent, so it’s not my MO to be pro-prosecution much less pro-Angela Corey. I don’t like Angela Corey because she chose to try a 12yo kid as an adult in a murder case involving the death of his 2yo brother. I’m sorry but IMO, 12yo’s are children and in no way are to be tried as adults no matter what the crime…especially when the boy’s mother knew her son had a propensity to hurt the younger one. Like an idiot, the mother allowed the 12yo to babysit him. It’s a really sad case.
The child’s name is Cristian Fernandez.

Here’s the link if you’re interested. There were thousands of signatures begging Corey to back off but she didn’t as far as I know.
In any case, when it came to 17yo Trayvon Martin, I couldn’t believe what I was hearing on the NEN call. It was obvious to me that GZ was an idiot wanna-be cop who killed an unarmed child for no other reason than looking suspicious. When I heard of GZ’s injuries, I was not impressed and the little boo boo’s he did have, he deserved. How do you justify murdering a child who was packing a can drink and a bag of Skittles?? To me, its a no brainer.

Ahhh Xena!
I love your interpretation of Junior. That’s exactly what that bonehead meant to say! Who are these people?? LOL Thankfully, I don’t know people like them. I don’t associate with bigots and Xena, I’m sure you know people from ALL walks of life too. So we know, these people are NOBODIES!
I love that picture of Trayvon and his dad Tracy. That’s why I used it on this thread because IMO, it’s like Trayvon is saying “I am somebody. I am loved. I have a father and a mother. I’m NOT who GZ thought and he will pay!”
And please, don’t misunderstand me. Not that I believe it’s okay to kill a poor child without loving parents because he would be wrong no matter who he followed and shot that night. I’m just saying that GZ royally effed up and I love it. It serves him right for being a fat head bigot who has no regard for human life. I hope all of the bigots like GZ learn from this.

” He shouldn’t have judged a resident when he decided to come back and harass ( THEM ) in
( They’re vehical ) and then try to murder ( THEM ) for calling the police?
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh, priceless.
Tried to murder (THEM) for calling the police? How did (THEY) know George was even calling the police?
He would have been relieved to know George was calling the police.
BTW, another thing George Zimmerman said he was NEVER threatened by Trayvon.
Listen to George tell that to Hannity on the tape at 7:10.

This is ONE of the idiots that Trent is talking about!!
Who are (THEM??) spectator is talking about?
Spectator1 is saying there was more than one in the car????

That there is no evidence against Zimmerman????
Listen to George himself. PLENTY of evidence.

That “MOST people think it was George crying?? ”
NOT SO!! There are a few supporters EVIDENTLY NOT PAYING ATTENTION at all.
They’re called sheep! By the post of spectator, he/she is one of them.
George crying??? You know YOU REALLY don’t believe that yourself and IF you do, you are just another George Zimmerman.
BTW, how many George Zimmermans are there? Like you know, the REAL GEORGE ZIMMERMAN?

Like JB said, comes over here with a bunch of BS lies?
Sounds like one of George’s family OR George himself to me.

Trayvon had as much right being in that neiborhood as the George. Prove why he didn’t otherwise.

Like JB said you don’t know a thing about this case.

None of us were there, BUT GEORGE puts us there.
AND don’t think Dee Dee is laughable.She was talking to her boyfriend and minutes later he was dead, shot in the heartand you want to believe the Zimmerman Lie after Lie.

As I’ve said here previously, I did not follow the Anthony case. Now, the jury has spoken and I don’t hold any preconceived thoughts on who I should or shouldn’t communicate with based on where they stood in that case.

I love the pic of Trayvon and his dad also. I hope that it haunts Zimmermeth and his family. Too bad he doesn’t have a photo of him and his dad that he can share with the media.

When I heard the NEN call, and that he got out of his truck, I could have cared less about any purported injuries he suffered. If not but for the fact that he got out of his truck and followed Trayvon, the two would not have come into physical contact. Based on that fact, I also knew that SYG did not apply.

Now, O’Mara admits that and changes his tune to traditional self-defense. That won’t fly either because based on GZ’s statements, his head was no longer on the concrete and he had restrained Trayvon preventing Trayvon from taking the gun. No fight was going on when he pulled his gun out. GZ admits that he “aimed” and he also admits that he made sure his left arm was out of the path of his aim. That’s deliberate. That’s a disregard for human life — depraved mind.

Bye, bye George M. Zimmerman. You have a prison cell waiting for you. Maybe you should plea with the feds for life in prison because federal prisons allow possessions in your cell that state prisons do not.

spectator1 is probably a troll looking for attention because everything he/she claimed was totally inaccurate. She must be from TCT.
I noticed that there’s a lot of accusations being slung over there lately. I think they’re gearing up for some kind of blog war because they’re bored with themselves.
I mean how much can you gleen from a 16/17 year old’s Tweets and Facebook page that hasn’t been discussed ad nausem? Somethings got to give — so there off sending out haters to stir it up. So typical.
I’ve seen this before with the Anthony haters. Sometimes I think “They’re baaack” just with different names and IPs but the same misguided objective — make waves. lol

I’m working on a new project right now for the next article. I’m trying to gather all of the damning evidence against GZ. Some of the early stuff that we’ve forgotten about up until now.

I think its telling that O’Mara is imploring Corey to hand over all that she has, but a FBI spokesman says the report is still under way.
O’Mara insist that SPD may have violated Trayvon’s civil rights but not his client. I say, it doesn’t matter. Maybe both and if the shoe fits, GZ has to wear it. Inquiring minds want to know.

I’d like to know when O’Mara plans on talking evidence instead of whining every time he doesn’t get his way?
He and George seem to have that in common.

This is ONE of the idiots that Trent is talking about!!
Who are (THEM??) spectator is talking about?
Spectator1 is saying there was more than one in the car????

You know Loly, spectator1 got me thinking about that. Who could that be? Shellie?
IMO, there’s two separate voices screaming. One is “help, help” but the last one is definitely a fearful, heart wrenching pleading voice. That one is Trayvon, no doubt.

Xena,
I respect that about you. If Casey had been found guilty, I would have felt the same. Its over, the jury has spoken but that’s not what happened here. I still get Haters calling me names because of my stance on that case. Unbelievable.

Hmmm…maybe we should hope the FBI doesn’t find anything on GZ. LOL I want him to do HARD TIME. lol .. Not in the federal pen where he’ll be comfortable, just with the common criminals, scared for his life everyday. 😀

spectator1 is probably a troll looking for attention because everything he/she claimed was totally inaccurate. She must be from TCT.

It posted on Blackbutterfly7 with a drive-by comment and failed to return to reply. It’s a drive-by troll. Since it failed to return to respond to replies, its comments will now go into the moderation cue.

I’m not so sure the hoodie thing is scary but getting assaulted with no end in sight by a black man is. Oh that’s right, Trayvon was just a child, I almost forgot, oh yeah and he just had skittles. I’m going to hand out skittles to all the black kids this year and for the white kids I’ll be handing out Kel-Tec 9mm’s.

JB,
People, Who write things like that ae heartless bastards just like the Zimmermans.
They can’t be human!! I’m never surprised at them anymore. They are so predictible.
How do the become that way??
WHY do they become that way?
It’s extremely disturbing. You can’t change that kind of be behavior. Let’em live their miserable life,and share it with their miserable peers .
We ask WHY, but after reading such hateful things, we know WHY.
As much as I hate the word Hate, that’s exactly what and why it is also it comes from the very ignorant.
Let them dwell in it until they become SICK of themselves!

“It’s all God’s plan.” It must be Xena. 🙂
I learned from Leatherman’s blog that the GZ supporters are in a frenzy because of some kind of snafu regarding TM’s cell phone.
Here’s the description and serial # of the phone entered into evidence. Just for the record, from page 6 of 183 in May’s doc dump.

What the Zidiots are arguing is that Trayvon stole the cell phone. (More thugification.) Next, they argue that since Trayvon stole the cell phone, that the phone log Tracy provided had to be a fake.

The Motion that West filed does not infer anything wrong with the phone logs. What he says is that the analyst had a report that the State didn’t provide, and the records provided by the State are different than the analyst’s report. The assumption by the Zidiots is that the State had the analyst’s report but didn’t give it to the defense. It could be that the State never received that report. The analyst, when deposed, said that he gave the report to David Lee of the FDLE. He also said that he was only able to access the SIM card.

Thank you Xena,
I’m sorry to bother with such trivial BS.
That’s what they’re saying?! Geez — Well no wonder I’m so confused. Totally ridiculous theory huh? I mean if Angela Corey or someone from the prosecutor’s office wanted to do something underhanded, I know they would not do anything that could so easily be found.
GMAB! ::rolling eyes back::
BTW, Wasn’t George renting his apartment? I can’t forget how he got so indignant when the NEN dispatcher referred to his condo as an apartment. He corrected the guy saying “it’s a home!”
boo hoo hoo.
I thought he was going to have a baby.

Hi,
JB, Xena and where’s Marilyn?? : )
Hope she’s ok!
I just have a minute, but also Kaffee said since they had started renting?…………
That’s when I thought myself well, wasn’t Zimmerman renting?
If not they must have sold their HOME PDQ!!: )

The Zidiots sure do know a lot, don’t they?
They listen to their peers and whether it’s true or not
it’s the gospel to them.
Xena, good for the FBI!!
Sleep good.
See y’all tomorrow! : )

BTW, Wasn’t George renting his apartment? I can’t forget how he got so indignant when the NEN dispatcher referred to his condo as an apartment. He corrected the guy saying “it’s a home!”

Yes, Zimmermeth was a tenant, a renter. According to emails in discovery, Taaffe called Dovial, the officer who was organizing to meet to discuss NW. He must have complained about renters in the community because she asked Zimmermeth if the HOA had any policies for property owners renting out their units, such as conducting background checks. Zimmermeth did not get back to her on that. Apparently, GZ was too ashamed to tell her that he was a tenant and not a homeowner, and Taaffe didn’t know it either. Just goes to show how deceptive GZ is and how much he wants to be “better” than he is.

The Zidiots do not take time to read discovery material. If they did that, they wouldn’t have time to troll. LOL. Also, discovery material is mainly about Zimmermeth. Their focus is on trying to put Trayvon on trial.

About the FBI’s watch list. The Outhouse promotes Andrew Breitbart as its role model and idol. Breitbart is the reporter who went ballistic wanting a war; political, racial, sexism, anti-gay. He was anti-government. He died. IIRC, it was last year.

Hi Guys….I’m still around,Dr.s are changing some of my medication,which has made me feel crappier than I already did!! I’m just laying around doing a whole lot of reading,watching TV.Its been kind of interesting to go to the beginning of how this all happened,which also makes me have many questions.I got a kick out of Ole George being put off by them asking what APT.I will never understand that!! I have lived in apts,lived in condos,lived in houses & didn’t see anything WRONG with ANY of them.Is it some kind of status to live in a HOME in Florida?? Because here in Texas some of the apts & condos were alot nicer & fancier than some of my homes!!! I don’t get it….but of course I don’t get Shooting a CHILD in the HEART,then act like nothing happened.I find it odd that nobody has ask him & if they did I missed it……why if he thought his life was in such danger,why did he have to shoot to KILL? There would be such a thing as shooting someone in the leg,arm,hell anything to keep from KILLING him.And BS, he knew he was a CHILD,he already said it on the phone,then being that close to him.It doesn’t matter what picture I see of GZ,I see EVIL,like there is nothing there…I can see where Trayvon would tell his friend on the phone he was CREEPY.I hope GZ has a lifetime of FEAR like Trayvon had.

Thanks Xena…you know LAUGHTER is still the best medicine for all….I needed that.Trent says it just like we all would like to.But since I am a Mom & Grama,I TRY to hold my tongue the best I can! You Go Trent!!

Hi Marilyn,
Hope your better soon. Trying to get nedicines to work well with other types is hard and
timely. Hope they get it right soon. : )

Trent is a TREAT to listen to. I love it because he doesn’t hold back. I’m happy he showing
the Zim fans what they really are. I get so sick of Robert talking about how bad they have it. He should try walking in the Martins shoes and so should all of the Martin haters.
I do be;ieve George and family are racist. They talk about it overload, trying to prove they aren’t and everytime they do it just makes me more certain that they were.
Zimmerman had no right to murder anyone, he was never in danger.

Xena, at first < i didn't know who that Andrew was. UGH!
Say's the coroner died right after finding the cause? Really I never heard that one, did you?
The ones that scream the hate towards everyone that isn't like them, WELL there's somethng wrong with 'em.
Who's the Outhouse? Is that where they are?
Good name! : )

JB, as long as it's them, they justify everything, no matter how TERRIBLE it is.
Even making such a hateful statement as their's is just DISGUSTING!!
Good night Marilyn, JB and Xena

I do be;ieve George and family are racist. They talk about it overload, trying to prove they aren’t and everytime they do it just makes me more certain that they were.

If the Zimmermans are not bigoted racists, thinking of themselves as superior to others, and in their current situation of having 2 retired people with the rest of the family unemployed, they could and should apply for public housing.

The Zimmerman’s think too highly of themselves. After 7 mths, if anyone wanted to get to them and do them harm, they would have done so.

When he was in jail and told ShelLIE to buy a bullet proof vest for herself, the public had no clue of what ShelLIE looked like. It was after she was arrested for perjury that her photo revealed her appearance. At the same time, GZ thought nothing of providing bullet proof vests for those whose faces were known, such as his brother who made himself known on television.

GZ DIDN”T GIVE A DAMN about getting bullet proof vests for his parents and brother. Since he doesn’t care about his family, why should America care?

Hello All,
Marilyn, I’m so happy to see you’ve checked in. You know how we worry, we were getting ready to put out an APB on you. I hope your body adapts to the new medications. I know how that can be — just when one start working, they add another and then its back to square one. You sound like such a positive patient, I’m sure your doctors love you. Stay strong, they’ll get it right.

Loly, I read a few Zimbots making fun of Brandy Greeen because they were renters. How ironic — Zimmy Pooh is a renter too. Who knew! I bet the entire “apartment complex” was shocked by that.

Xena, thanks for finding that video on Andrew Breitbart. It’s pretty disturbing to know that people really think that way. Geesh, the World really is a scary place. Wow.

Xena,
I couldn’t agree with you more. George and his family would be perfect examples of how NOT to act if you murdered an unarmed 17yo kid.
The Zims just don’t get it. If they didn’t want to get hate phone calls they should have kept their opinions to themselves. If they KNOW they are incapable of showing real empathy for the parents of the child their son murdered, then STFU. OR FAKE IT but you don’t go to the press and continually say, I support my son. Maybe, “I’m hoping we’ll get this figured out at trial. I don’t know why my son did such a stupid thing. I taught him better than that..yada yada yada” Yeah, we’ll know they’re lying but at least they showed some respect. Then maybe people would have a little sympathy for them?

I’m convinced that Robt. Sr and Gladys don’t give a rat’s patootie about George anyway. They cut ties from him years ago because they knew he was a screw-up. It was only when they discovered George was making some $$$ did they insert themselves into the case — Same goes for Junior. Sickening.

Bravo for Trent!! Again he makes some excellent points. LOL Especially what he said about Junior having to go into hiding 48 hours after the shooting. I think BDLR is going to have a field day with Junior. LOL How is he going to explain that one? Osterman hides out Geo. the next day and Junior’s on the lam 48 hours later??? WTH? 🙂 O’Mara surely knows how damning this information is for his client.
Well there are some things that books can’t teach you — Like common sense.

Teeslaw did an excellent job comparing Zimmermeth’s re-enactment to his NEN call. There’s another vid that follows. Make sure to watch them in sequence to become acquainted with the black car. In the video following the first, LLMPapa does a comparison with what Zimmermeth reported on 2/2/12 as taking place by Taaffe’s house, to his NEN call on 2/26/12.

“The Duval County state attorney has a message for George Zimmerman’s defense attorney: Zip it.”

“Assistant State Attorney Bernie de la Rionda filed papers Thursday in Seminole County Circuit Court asking a judge to muzzle defense attorney Mark O’Mara, whom the prosecutor accuses of taking to the Internet to try his case in the media.”

An attorney for Facebook has also stated that they will not comply with the defense’s request for Trayvon’s FB info because federal law protects it. If O’Mara wants to force the issue, he’ll have to do so in federal court in California.

Xena,
Thanks for the videos. In everyone, you catch another one of his lies.
A little late for the to tell O’Mra to zip it, don’t you think?
Part of his bond should have ben no internet.
In other words don’t you think they should have had a gag order, Ms Lawyer Help here. : )
What do you think?
Is 1460 actually Frank’s apt. and did they say at one point they were very close, in walking to George’s apt.?
The reeactment is going to help the jurors.
Just about every lie will be heard, hopefully AND the cameras show he wasn’t parked at the clubhouse.Good one!!
Imazing how STUPID the whole defense team and the Zimmermouths are.They can’t get enough TV. I think one of them will want their own TV Talk show>

JB,
I don’t think they give a crap about each othe.
You know they’ve all done something that wouldn’t have come out if they kept their mouths shut.
DAMN! You can tell how ate up they are with themselves.
I hope they all get busted!
Just think this almost went covered.
I’m thankful for all of those that pulled together with the Martins to give Trayvon a voice.
Plus the Trent’s, LLMPapa and Teeslaws that are telling the truth about the calls and
and exposing the Zimmerman lies!
ALSO, this is so true about what Trent said, George even is trying to take Travyons last crys away from him.
So SAD!
Marilyn I hope you’re better. Like JB said getting medicines to cooperate with each other is very difficult, BUT they’ll get it done, I know!!
Goodnight,
JB, Marilyn and Xena

Is 1460 actually Frank’s apt. and did they say at one point they were very close, in walking to George’s apt.?

According to Zimmermeth, he was walking his dog that day when he saw the “suspicious guy” by Taaffe’s house. I suppose they live close enough for GZ not to be worn out walking his dog.

The reeactment is going to help the jurors.

(smile) GZ’s NEN call is enough to convict him even without the re-enactment.
1. He spoke hate speech. “These assholes …” “F’ng coons/punks.”

2. Trayvon tried getting away from GZ. “Shit. He running.” “He ran.”

3. Expressing hatred towards Trayvon, who he profiled and does not know, GZ got out of his truck. “Are you following him?” “Yes.” “We don’t need you to do that.” “Okay.” (But you still hear the sound of wind in his phone for several seconds thereafter.)

4. GZ had plenty of time to get back to his truck, but he didn’t.

5. Change of plans denoting that he had no plans of returning to his truck. “Can you have them call me?”

6. 80 seconds thereafter, the first 911 call is received from a resident. The altercation is already underway when that resident calls.

<blockquote? … AND the cameras show he wasn’t parked at the clubhouse.Good one!!

EXACTLY!!! They do show that GZ made several U-turns and slowly followed behind Trayvon as Trayvon walked past the clubhouse. He was indeed stalking Trayvon in a very intimidating, provoking manner.

You mean.. OMara wants to give him 30 days before and 30 days after for medical records!! LOL

I agree with Judge Nelson, give O’Mara 30 days before 30 days after TM’s school records and Tweets.

It was a good day for the DT but I like it. I think Judge Nelson doesn’t want to give GZ any ammunition for appeal, “Let’em have it — no Problem”
In the Anthony case, Baez seldom got help from Judge Perry or Judge Strickland, in the end, Baez won so maybe it’s a good sign for the end result. lol Now that MOM is hiding GZ’s medical records — I REALLY WANNA KNOW!!

uh Oh..Emergency Motion!! it seems that a witness wasn’t happy with BDLR or the State post deposition???
KRZY!!
dang MOM — Put a period at the end of your sentences…he runs on and on..like he’s getting something over you.

Did anyone else notice how BIG Georgey PORGY is???? He damn sure hasn’t missed any meals!!! And NO….this was NOT just him wearing a protective vest….his face was even BIG.He looks like his OLD MUGSHOT to me!!!

Good Evening Friends! Loly, Xena and Marilyn 😀
Marilyn,
You got that right — Georgy Porgy! lol I think he hasn’t gotten to see his script doctor. He’s probably out of his Adderal and that’s why he’s gained so much weight. I’ve always said his actions on the night he shot TM was because he was hopped up on amphetamines. Today, he looked like he was going to fall asleep, not that hyped up idiot needing to get up on the stand to address the Martin family.

Oh thanks Xena for letting us know where to find the hearing. I missed the first half hour. I just love love Trent! I think because he says all the things that we want to say.. lol but like Marilyn, we try to be ladies so thank you Trent.

BTW, my computer is acting alot better today. I don’t know what was happening yesterday so I’m going to bring it to my friend and ask him to check it out anyway..just in case. 😉

Loly,
You know.. You’d think since the Zims are familiar with law and how it works, one being a magistrate judge, one being a whatever-lawyer and the killer being a wanna-be-judge that they’d know to STHU. “You have the right to remain silent..” Duh Zimidiots.
I can’t wait till it all comes back to bite them in the butt. It would serve them right.

JB! Glad to hear that your computer is still up and running. I bought an HP in 1999 — did something stupid in 2007 and it locked up the operating system. Loved that computer. Replace it with a Compaq and it is still going strong.

Papa Zim didn’t have to know law to be a magistrate judge. Magistrate judges do not make decisions on the merits. They sign docs such as search warrants, schedule hearings, grant continuances on status, stuff like that. They are more like paper pushers so the real judges with J.D’s and elected to the bench aren’t bothered with pre-trial hearings.

GZ knows something about criminal law, but he doesn’t know the practice of law. It is usual for cops to say that they know the law, but what they know about law is limited to criminal violations and arrest procedures.

Today’s hearing was very interesting, and Judge Nelson was SHARP. O’Mara tried using backdoor approaches to “appeal” Judge Lester’s orders. He had 30 days to do that after Judge Lester was recused, but he didn’t. So, each time that he raised an issue that Judge Lester had heard and entered on order on, Judge Nelson reminded him of it and kept with the order of the court.

Have a safe and enjoyable weekend. I’ll peek in from time to time. I spread myself really thin this week and plan on catching up with yard work this weekend — if it doesn’t rain, that is. 🙂

You would think all the FREE advertisement GZ’s clinic has received,they would make the poor guy a house call…boo hoo
.Better yet…they are probly happy to be RID of him & DRUG them into this MESS!! I totally agree with the ADDERAL.I had a nephew on that & I’m sure it works,does good for some poeple,but my nephew is still dealing with the BAD side of it! On all those jail phone calls he couldn’t wait to get to eat all these different things….looks like he did it!
With all the legal background in this family,we are going to see one motion after the other,hopefully the judge is gonna get tired of some of their antics,like West not shutting up today,trying to question Crump!! Like the judge said”he wasn’t even under oath!” These dipshits.They want everybody’s facebook & twitter,do they really want to open that can of worms,b/c GZ isn’t so attractive! They want to know if Trayvon had violent tendencies before Feb 26.If he did…they were not enough to HAVE A RECORD like GZ!! Go ahead open all these doors!

Xena,
Thank you for refreshing my memory, PaPa Judge didn’t have to know much about the law either. Amazing that he’d get the title of Judge just for being a pencil pusher. But you’d think he would know something basic like “you have the right to remain silent.. yada yada..” I thought that was common knowledge. I’m beginning to think GZ’s family doesn’t like him very much. ;( hehehe
The computer is still acting weird. I’ll probably still bring it in for a check up. Up until now I haven’t had any problems.. Oh well…
Enjoy your yard work Xena. I know, I have to catch up around the house too.

I agree Marilyn,
“They don’t want to open that can of worms” Oh well..Let the games begin.
I have to keep in mind that just because MOM gets to see them doesn’t mean the Judge will admit them into evidence. I think O’Mara just asked for the records to make the Zimbots happy.

Hi Xena, JB, and Marilyn,
Wow! Do I have a lot to catch up on.
I had forgotten about Friday, but It taped 4 hors of it.

I’ll look at it when I get back. We’re going to go to LA again tomorrow and be back Tuesday or Wednesday.
It helps the stress. : )

My husband just said looks like they want to put Trayvon on trial.
I’ve never seen anything like it, BUT
I so agree, go ahead and open all of the doors, ALL of them including all of the Zimmermans.
I’ve always heard be careful what you wish for but, seems like the Zimmermans never learn.
I hope it bites them big and it will.

There is someone much higher than any of them and they’ve already put him on trial.
Unbelievable!!! REALLY!!
Y’all have a great Sunday and see you when I get back.
Take care and Goodnight
JB, Xena and Marilyn

Hey Loly,
We’re going to have to make you an Honorary Louisianian! LOL
The first thing you’ll notice is that George gained whole lot of weight. 😎 Yup, remember what I said about him using Adderall which is an amphetamine?? I’m sure he was hyped up on Adderall the night he shot Trayvon.

Getting ready to watch the Saints game! I hope we win!
Have a great day!