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Vice President Joe Biden's rhetorical support for the Israeli blockade of Gaza appeared today to harden the U.S. line in favor of Israel.

But another American official said this evening that the U.S. is in fact pushing on two fronts. The Obama Administration is, on one hand, defending Israel's right to self defense and its soldiers right to protect themselves when "attacked" as they were aboard the Turkish vessel, and trying to calm European allies.

But the U.S. is also, the official said, sending a message to Israel that its blockade is not sustainable.

The message: "The Gaza policy is bankrupt and needs to be changed," the official said.

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Let's get some perspective here people. Where's the outrage over North Korea sinking SKorea ships? 10 dead vs 40+ dead. Debateable tactics vs blatant act of war. The UN's more upset with this incident than the Sudan genocide for heaven's sake! This should tell us all we need to know. Enough's enough with the silly leftist ideology.

Typical Obama politics: I was for campaign finance then I was against it; I support the public option and then I don't; I support regulating derivatives but then they are not that important; I support Isreal's right to defend herrself, but then I oppose her right to defend herself; I support Turkey and Brazil's efforts on Iran but then I reject them.
Indeed, one has to wonder if this whole controvery with Isreal thing is not the result of Turkey's outrage at Obama backsliding on the Turkey?Brazil deal on nukes with Iran.
Obama sold Turkey and Brazil down the river on their deal with Iran. The Isreal thing could be payback.

Typical Obama politics: I was for campaign finance then I was against it; I support the public option and then I don't; I support regulating derivatives but then they are not that important; I support Isreal's right to defend herrself, but then I oppose her right to defend herself; I support Turkey and Brazil's efforts on Iran but then I reject them.
Indeed, one has to wonder if this whole controvery with Isreal thing is not the result of Turkey's outrage at Obama backsliding on the Turkey?Brazil deal on nukes with Iran.
Obama sold Turkey and Brazil down the river on their deal with Iran. The Isreal thing could be payback.

Typical far right radical posts that fail to stay on subject, just another chance to take a shot at Obama. Israel did this to itself and the US is taking flak for it. Did it ever dawn on any of you far right morons that when EVERY other country except the US has condemned Israel for its actions should tell you something. Israel has done itself no favors, losing Turkey's support that it needed and worked for so badly. Israel could have and should have handled this differently. They are not only dragging their own nation down, they are pulling the US down with it.

Posted By: Typical far right radical posts that fail to stay on subject, just another chance to take a shot at | June 02, 2010 at 11:50 PM

Sorry, the narrative is false. Israel was firing from all sides and had killed two people before they descended from the chopper. One of them was a member of the crew. They were in int,'l waters. This was an attack upon turkey, a war crime. I watched it happen real time. al jazeera has the broadcast videos. The one on tv was shot by the idf and is misleading

Regrettably, it's Obama's whole Mid-east policy that is bankrupt and desperately needs to be changed before it results in Iran filling the huge power vacuum left by Obama's deliberate withdrawal of American power and influence.
It takes willfully selective memory to forget that a few years ago, Israel controlled Gaza. As one part of the so-called "peace process" of engagement with the Palestinian Authority -- a proto-government of a future Palestinian state -- it withdrew from Gaza, dragging out Israeli settlers there kicking and screaming. For its trouble, what it got was a Gaza controlled by the radical extremist Iranian-backed Hamas, which first kicked out the PA amidst a fury of fraternal violence and then turned to firing thousands of rockets at israel. In an essential act of self-defense, Israel retaliated to knock out Hamas's rocket-firing capability and imposed a thoroughly legal blockade -- joined in by Egypt which is also threatened by Hamas -- to prevent Hamas from reacquiring such a capability.
So now, "peace activists" and radical Muslims demand an end to the blockade -- and Obama's team is pressing Israel to yield.
Who will make Hamas yield to any proposal to lay down its arms? No one.

I hope Bibi is not thinking about lifting the blockade. It would be a huge mistake. Israel should stop worrying about what Europe says or does. They never liked the Jews anyway and were glad to see them go after WWII. Bibi, start building the wall.
The sooner you start, the sooner it will be done. There is no other way and you know it. Let Europe negotiate with Hamas on a 1000 year handout package after the separation is complete.

I like how Obama was a friend to the Palestinians right up until he became a serious candidate, when he fell in line with every other politician.
Everyone's going to argue about things like international waters and who shot first, while the underlying issues get obscured yet again.
Does Israel's right to defend itself supersede the rights of Palestinians to live like human beings? Or do you think, if you were boxed in and treated like an animal, you might see the situation differently?
Every Palestinian is not in Hamas, every Arab is not an Islamic fundamentalist. I don't see how people can be so callous toward a group of people and ignore suffering to pursue their own interests.
And the thing that sucks is, we're seen as the official sponsor, so every time Israel goes and does something like this, we get a big chunk of the blame.

So because some Palestinians danced in the streets in East Jerusalem on Sept. 12, every one of them -- including the vast majority who did not dance -- should be caged like animals and forced to live in a squalid, economically stagnant, miserable little slice of land? Nope, sorry -- you'd get your American flag boxers in a twist if someone said the US should be bombed out of existence because the actions of a few liberals "tells us all we need to know about Americans." So don't generalize, and don't use the actions of a few as an excuse to cause mass-scale misery. Grow a heart, for crying out loud.

I'll grow a hart immediately after you grow a brain. Hamas was democratically elected by whom? Martians perhaps. They are in charge because not all, but most Palestinians voted for them. Hamas, as you may know, is a terrorist organization. So the Palestinians in Gaza caged themselves. Terrorism is fought by terror, not by your bleeding heart or empathy. If Gazans wanted better treatment, perhaps they should have voted for someone else.

Posted By: I'll grow a hart immediately after you grow a brain. Hamas was democratically elected by whom? Marti | June 03, 2010 at 02:19 AM

So now conservatives are in the business of approving elections that have been co-signed by Jimmy Carter? Seriously, can you get any more incoherent or contradictory?
If you believe Hamas was "democratically elected" by "most Palestinians," then you must also be a fan of Saddam Hussein's impressive 99 percent victory margins, and Ahmadinejad's uncanny ability to pull victories out of thin air.
The average Palestinian wants a job and the right to live like a human being, not like a boxed-in animal considered disposable by the IDF.
The problem with Zionists like you is your double standard -- it's perfectly acceptable if other people live in misery and squalor, and it's perfectly acceptable to bomb houses and bulldoze neighborhoods, but the slightest word against Israel's interest is considered heresy. You obviously consider Palestinians sub-human, and so continuing this conversation will not be productive if you want to behave like a heartless, disgusting human being.

I have been e-mailing the idf for 6 years to complain about their use of military weapons against civilian soft targets- the same act would have cost me a a article 15 at least but, blatant use like they do.. would have meant courts martial with risk of death penalty...we have a tribunal in europe, why not give it some use

Looks like the sheeple Leftists are out in force again to get them some Jews. Do these fools even know that they are the epitome of "useful idiots".
Killing babies and hating Israel is what Leftist do.
Another of the Left's utopias torpedoed a neighbors navy ship and the Leftist say nothing. A host of thugs get offed after stupidly attacking a commando unit and the Leftist start their drooling rants just because they are Israelis.
As shown by Iran, Israel should just do what it needs to do to protect itself because when it comes to brass tacks, what exactly are these leftist twits going to do about it anyway, send a Post It note with Maher putdowns on it.
Nothing is as irrelevant that the misinformed angst of the worlds Left.

Lets put an end to one thing: NObody is a bigger supporter of Isreal than the American left. In fact, most Jews are the American left!!!! So this idea that the left is against Isreal is insane. Most jews would NEVER trust a republican conservative. THey know better. And before you cry a river, Jews are some of the most educated and shrewed people in the world. So they know that trusting the conservatives is not a good idea. The left of the American politics is simply trying to help Isreal be more stable and secure through political negotiation and dialogue. They're the ones that support camps where Isreali and Palestinian children meet one another. They're the ones working on long-term solutions to bring peace. The Isreali's know that most conservative want one thing: War, war and more war. And that is not good for Isreali's either. So for all the conservatives acting like their bleeding for Isreal: Why are so few Jews on your side?????

Israel has no right to impose a siege on free human beings. It is morally and legally wrong, period. One has to be a callous and a racist to accept Israel's argument that it should impose a medieval siege on an entire population just to secure its borders. An imaginary border at best since Israel still has not declared its international frontiers. Everything has limits even our own security or self defense. Israel’s aim, it looks like, is ethnic cleansing through starvation. The response from the international community asking for an inquiry shows an appalling impotence. Inquiries are just government delay tactics when they don’t want to do anything (or can’t do anything)

I hope that the U.S. stands with Israel as it always has and tells the rest of the world to f off and mind its own failed business. Americans except the Jew hating liberal left have always been a friend of Israel.

The Obama team is nothing less than foolish and immature. The idea that the Jews should just allow the murderous islamist, jihadist terrorist thugs of Hamas to import weapons to kill Jewish children is beyond stupid and it just shows the total racism against the Jews that the Obama team has embraced

The Gaza policy is in place to prevent Hamas from importing more and bigger rockets than they can import through the tunnels, so they can lob them at Israeli citizens. If Obama is privately pushing Israel to lift the blockade he is doing what he promised in his book: Standing with the Muslims. No surprise there...

Posted By: The Gaza policy is in place to prevent Hamas from importing more and bigger rockets than they can im | June 03, 2010 at 09:39 AM

"But the U.S. is also, the official said, sending a message to Israel that its blockade is not sustainable."
Not sustainable -- that's rich coming from our own government which, obviously, has no concept of what "sustainable" means.
Out of control spenders lecture others on frugality. Welcome to the Twilight Zone.

Oh, it's immoral to prevent Hamas from getting arms but never immoral for them to kill jews? And Deb, that's silly, he is a Catholic who sees a big double standard based on fear of islam and he is brave enough to stand up for truth, not cowardly and willing to roll over and cringe at threats. The Obama administration and the UN both are corrupt and built on lies, we should have elected Biden to begin with instead of falling for a fairytale concocted by the press who hid Obama's agenda from us!

Israel cannot allow Iranian weapons in Gaza. It's that simple. Obama could care less about Israel. Throughout his entire life he has surrounded himself with anti-Israeli miscreants. He's a Pali symp. Just like Obama publicly disposed of his White ethnicity and associated himself as a Black man, so to he has done with the Palistinians and Muslims. He's taken sides a long time ago. That is why this is the most anti-Israeli administration in American history. Obama associates himself with Palistinians. You have to be blind and ignorant of the facts to believe otherwise.

At this point I figure Israel has already realized it's more on its own now then ever before. So I doubt if they're going to lift the blockade just because of Obama's pressure. They may as well just let Iran fly weapons into Gaza on U.S transport planes. The stupidity level and disinformation war about this are incredible. I bet most of the leftists that are condemning Israel now didn't say a peep about N. Korea or Iran. These people are aligning themselves with the terrorists that hate the U.S and act like they're some kind of intellectual geniuses. Stupidity truly is something to behold.

At this point I figure Israel has already realized it's more on its own now then ever before. So I doubt if they're going to lift the blockade just because of Obama's pressure. They may as well just let Iran fly weapons into Gaza on U.S transport planes. The stupidity level and disinformation war about this are incredible. I bet most of the leftists that are condemning Israel now didn't say a peep about N. Korea or Iran. These people are aligning themselves with the terrorists that hate the U.S and act like they're some kind of intellectual geniuses. Stupidity truly is something to behold.

LOL.. you liberals... certainly you could have just talked to old Adolf and he wouldn't have started WWII, and he wouldn't have killed all those Jews, right? You, because you're so smart, and so compassionate etc, if only YOU would have been alive back then, you could have stopped Hitler... You people are so ignorant of history and so misguided by your false sense of entitlement and elitism you shouldn't be allowed anywhere near our children, our courtrooms or our government.

Wow! Now, that's rich. US telling Israel what is sustainable. Israel is one of the only surviving ancient nations... All but wiped out, and still they survive. US telling them what is sustainable... BO is pathetic... Tell it to N. Korea... They are laughing at you BO... The whole world is laughing at you BO.

The absolute irefutable fact of the matter is that the palestinians are the chattle of iran. The islamist community could care less about the palestinians; they're the pawns, the poster fodder for the islamists ultimate goal. Look at all the mindless leftists that have fallen for this scheme. The islamists are using the same tactics that the leftists have been using the past 40 years. Is it any wonder that the two are quite cozy nowadays? WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!

Please note that this is the US policy on Gaza. This has all been done with full US Support. Plus, we pay for it with our aid to Israel. Trying to palm this policy off on Israel is dishonest. If the US didn't approve, it would not be happening. We cut off our aid, the blockade ends tomorrow if we want it to. Which means this is all window dressing. This is Obama pretending that the Israelis are doing something he wants when he could really change it by just threatening to suspend aid while the US does a policy review after the Israelis fire machine guns into a crowd and kill 20 and wound 60 unarmed people.
This is Obama supporting the blockade, but throwing up a smokescreen so its not obvious that he has the blood of 80 injured people on his hands.

Whiplash: Commendation then . . .
condemnation? I cannot be so both ways. Your President isn't
our daddy. Spoiler alert: Next time we just might pull a North Korea and sink a vessel, or two,
or all of them.

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Here is a great article explaining that the focus should be on Turkey instigating this entire affair and in the process creating more risks for evreryone:
http://article.nationalreview.com/435436/a-fine-recipe-for-war/mario-loyola

Israel illegally occupies Palestine, parts of Syria and Lebanon, ethnically cleanses out the Palestinians, incarcerating them in the world's largest prison, Gaza, where it monitors calories, making sure the children are malnourished and drinking polluted water without adequate medial care. People bringing aid are murdered in international waters, not surprisingly since Israel happily murdered over a thousand in Lebanon and over a thousand in Gaza, specializing in bombing women and children and other war crimes.
Occupation-resistance groups are conveniently called terrorists so Israel can assassinate the leaders even in foreign countries and conduct deadly collective punishment. It sets up an apartheid conditions in the Palestinian West Bank where Jewish settlers are free to fatally shoot Palestinian boys in the back for throwing stones, to burn Palestinian crops and orchards, etc. The Jewish settlers have lush lawns and swimming pools while the Palestinians must buy polluted bottled water. The world everywhere is aware of this except in the US where the Jews control the media and the politicians. As Israel's enabler, we have been hit by terrorists, as on 9/11, and have been goaded by the Israel Lobby into unnecessary bankrupting wars. Iran is next. Peace is the answer, but greedy Israel doesn't want to give up the stolen land.