Arthur Crabtree wrote:I included WI in the search which suits newer bowlers more as recently their pitches are said to have become more Asian in character. Got a feeling Ashwin had good figures in WI.

he does plus that would be most of his 13 test matches.think he played 6 in Australia, 4 in WI, 2 in England and 1 in SA.Although like I said earlier by numbers only the Australia series is poor but compared to other spinners an average of 55 isn't that bad for a finger spinner in Australia he essentially been a victim for his success at asia and then limited overseas games because of india unique test schedule that see them play a batch of home games and then a batch of away games.

Dr Cricket wrote:Also Harby was unique in that he was a far better spinner early in his career and not the same bowler later on and looking at that list most of his performace came early in his career and when he was bad he didn't play overseas much barring that good SA tour in 2010/11 which was more of an exception at the time.very odd considering spinners meant to get better as time goes on and not the other way round.

The doosra ruined harbhajan

His off spinner became less dangerous as he changed his action to be able to turn it the other way

His action changed and he seemed to get less drift and turn on his offie

Gingerfinch wrote:Murali's record in Aus was poor, and he is arguably the best spinner ever. There's still hope for Ashwin!

And warnes was poor in India

Ashwin just needs to play a good amount of away games to show how good he truly is, obviously he is a great bowler in friendly conditions, but the greatest bowlers still win games away from their conditions (Steyns record in India comes to mind as the record of a genuine all time great performing in all conditions)

At the moment I look at ashwin like I look at Jimmy Anderson, great when conditions are in there favour less effective when they aren't

Dr Cricket wrote:Also Harby was unique in that he was a far better spinner early in his career and not the same bowler later on and looking at that list most of his performace came early in his career and when he was bad he didn't play overseas much barring that good SA tour in 2010/11 which was more of an exception at the time.very odd considering spinners meant to get better as time goes on and not the other way round.

The doosra ruined harbhajan

His off spinner became less dangerous as he changed his action to be able to turn it the other way

His action changed and he seemed to get less drift and turn on his offie

Selectors and think tank took the right decision to drop him when they did. He was even flopping in Ranji matches since then apart from the odd good performance. Not only in tests he was doing bad in T20 too. He had lost the wicket taking ability drastically.

yuppie wrote:Thank you Shanky for the Okeefe is better than Lyon debate:0

TBH he was going to start one on warner but then he proved him wrong in Bangladesh. Believe that series was going to be the last series Shanky was going to give him to perform in Asia. I would definately follow a team Shanky is a selector off would be changes every test series. He would make England in the 90s look a stable team.

Should be a big 18 months of whether I am right about Ashwin/Jadeja doing well overseas, or if Shanky is rights and they will get their asses kicked overseas.Still beyond me why you will pick Kuldeep yadav over Ashwin and Jadeja in SA.have no arguments having him in the squad as the 18th man but to actually have him over Ashwin or Jadeja is moronic considering how Fickle fans can be.The young lad shouldn't have to be expected to win games or take wickets overseas at that age with not that much test experience under the belt.lets not forget 4 yrs ago shanky even said similar things about Jadeja and Ashwin overseas and after a few bad test he wants those players to be dropped and never picked again overseas.