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Strict rules and laws to obtain sellers permits Ban sales of ammo on the internet Ban assault such as the AR15's and Buswacker- I am sure there are a ton more Ban high capacity clips Limit the amount of ammo to be purchased by a private individual Set tough guidelines at the federal level for penalties for violators Require a weapons course and /or test to obtain as gun permit - you have to do this to get a drivers license?Limit the number of weapons to a household to 6

Just a start Brandon

When you say Buswacker, I assume you meant to spell Bushwacker. If that's the case, do you mean the Cross Bow? Or Bushmaster the AR-15 manufacturer?

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Well from what I understand is he wants nothing to change. Anytime gun control is brought up alls you hear is him and others throw a complete fit. The currently over used quote is When you expect different result without doing something different is insanity. if you're not willing to reform gun laws, nothing will change. So to me, if you're not willing to change anything, but you want things to change, you're nut aka crazy/insane.

No argument from me, except that he's no gun nut.

Patiently waiting for someone to bring back sax solos and keytars non ironically.

again, the criminals and insane people are the issue, not the average gun owner. making more laws for the honest people does nothing to fix the issue.
this is the same logic as increasing taxes but not cutting spending, this does not fix anything, just makes people feel like they get to punish those they think should be punished. the tax payers are not at fault, government spending is.

again, the criminals and insane people are the issue, not the average gun owner. Making more laws for the honest people does nothing to fix the issue.
This is the same logic as increasing taxes but not cutting spending, this does not fix anything, just makes people feel like they get to punish those they think should be punished. The tax payers are not at fault, government spending is.

Gun owners are not at fault, criminals are.

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Ever try Kmart. ;) I did buy it maybe 5 years ago so maybe for some odd reason there was a price increase. And no its not a small lock box. Though I have one in it. The thing weighs more than I do if I had to guess 250 pounds, and I can just about fit in it (I'm 6' 185 lbs). (Yes I actually tried). Again I didn't shop around for deals just saw it one day. I am pretty sure at Tractor Supply they have similar gun safes around the same price. If you're seriously looking for one I can always stop by and see what they have a snag some pics. I do remember they having one more than big enough to fit two people in for about $700 awhile back.

I would say they have gone up quite a bit in the last 5 years. My guess is the movement to ban guns, etc. has spawned a rise in price because more and more people are buying and stockpiling guns and creating a bigger market for safes. We have a Tractor Supply here too, they are on par with the prices I have seen other places. I missed a good deal on a 12 gun safe in Gander Mountain that knocked the normally $700 safe down to $500, but that is the least expensive one that I have found so far.

Originally Posted by MadMan1978

I will be one person who will back the ban of assault weapons and other related items. as well as tough access to permits and stronger and better safety courses. In most states it is easier to get a gun and a permit to carry then get a drivers license.

I am unaware of any state in the country that requires an FBI database background check for a driver's license or that will limit your ability to get a driver's license if you broke a law 20 or 30 years ago. There is no state that it is easier to get a handgun and license to carry than it is to get a driver's license.

Originally Posted by MadMan1978

I have not heard one valid argument for any private citizen owning an AR 15 or any weapon like that. NOT ONE! they are not needed for hunting and not needed to defend your home. They are assault weapons and meant to kill period and nothing more.

There is no arguable need for a car that can go 100MPH yet every car produced is capable of it. Should we outlaw cars than can exceed the speed limit? Demanding validation of a need does not negate the consitutional right to own something. If I can not prove that I need something it does not eliminate my right to own it.

You are aware that the Assault Weapons Ban was just one big joke, right? It did not limit firepower, killing ability or magazine capacity of guns. It eliminated cosmetic things such as folding stocks, flash suppresors, bayonets and pistol grips.

Example:

This gun was illegal

This gun was not illegal

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again, the criminals and insane people are the issue, not the average gun owner. making more laws for the honest people does nothing to fix the issue.
this is the same logic as increasing taxes but not cutting spending, this does not fix anything, just makes people feel like they get to punish those they think should be punished. the tax payers are not at fault, government spending is.

gun owners are not at fault, criminals are.

Dude. What I'm saying is allowing your gun to be stolen and used in a crime should make you a criminal and therefor a problem. Come on, you have a gun, you couldn't possibly be robbed because you have the ultimate in protection!

You just want to do nothing about everything, Jay. You may not be a criminal but part of the problem? Definitely.

Patiently waiting for someone to bring back sax solos and keytars non ironically.

Dude. What I'm saying is allowing your gun to be stolen and used in a crime should make you a criminal and therefor a problem. Come on, you have a gun, you couldn't possibly be robbed because you have the ultimate in protection!

You just want to do nothing about everything, Jay. You may not be a criminal but part of the problem? Definitely.

If someone steals your car and kills someone should you also be held accountable?

If someone steals your car and kills someone should you also be held accountable?

I'll get some more stupid comparisons out of the way sinc we've already been over the car one. I gun is pretty much in its own category. Not recognizing that is just bringing total bias to the discussion.

If someone steals your potato peeler and kills someone with it.........
If someone steals a rock from your yard and kills someone with it.........
If someone steals your chainsaw and kills someone with it........
If someone steals an apple off your tree and kills someone with it......
If someone steals your pillow and kills someone with it.........
If someone steals your belt and kills someone with it.........
If someone steals your mail and kills someone with it.........

Now the mind blown question is, if someone digs up your body after you're buried (if you decide to be buried) and kills someone with it. Are you held accountable, or your next of kin for not correctly locking your bones up? Give me a break. A gun is NOT any of those things, its a gun. If you cannot understand that aspect of this entire discussion you bring nothing into it but ignorance.