What Malibu tower ever made resembles an Alpha Z tower? I can't picture one that looks like it.

I don't see it. Here is a 2005 Malibu so 8 or 9 years old depending on how you look at it.

Other than being solid towers they are way different. Tige bends back to make the "Z" and the Malibu has that removable tube at the top. I like both towers and they both are super solid, but they aren't alike. Malibu is taller also which is nice.

What Malibu tower ever made resembles an Alpha Z tower? I can't picture one that looks like it.

I don't see it. Here is a 2005 Malibu so 8 or 9 years old depending on how you look at it.

Other than being solid towers they are way different. Tige bends back to make the "Z" and the Malibu has that removable tube at the top. I like both towers and they both are super solid, but they aren't alike. Malibu is taller also which is nice.

I'd say they look pretty damn close. Considering they even used the same manufacturer for a few years I know there is some similarity.

stoked for these brands to all be pushing each other and putting out new product, but since when did a rider going huge give a boat its credibility? If that's the case, my 99 Nautique 210 is just as legit as this new Tige. Let's be real, Dean can go huge behind anything and Daniel Watkins has been landing double back rolls off double ups for a decade (pre G series, new tige, or any other flagship boat). I'm not knocking Tige I just think it's funny how people are like oh Tige team riders are going huge off this new model lol. They were going huge off previous Tige models so it's somewhat irrelevant IMO.

^^^ What Dave said. And of course it's too early to tell but the shots of the wake thus far are not mind blowing or anything, kinda look like a typical Tige. I'm sure in a couple days there will be more to debate.

that wake looks solid, it's cool to finally see some footage with Rathy.

As for the wake vs. G vs X-Star vs Bu, to me it seems all preferential. My cousins have ridden behind the G23 and werent blown away as they prefer the 210 wake or the mxz22. on the flip side I know some people who swear by the G23 wake over the Bu's, X-star, 210's etc.

Bottom line: some like blondes, some like brunettes, some like small boobs, but most like big boobs.

Do tell James because I couldn't instantly tell from those short clips. Did a pro rider tell you that before or after they told you about the 10 foot airs you were boosting?? Aren't you like 14? They teaching fluid technology and dynamics in middle school now? If Tige was smart they would have copied the G23!!

True about the Axis. I have heard that wake is comparable to a G23. The only reason I say that is, I heard before the release of the new Tige that some other brands had bought G23's to find out how it was made, hull shape, etc.. But hey I could be wrong, I have been before.

Do tell James because I couldn't instantly tell from those short clips. Did a pro rider tell you that before or after they told you about the 10 foot airs you were boosting?? Aren't you like 14? They teaching fluid technology and dynamics in middle school now? If Tige was smart they would have copied the G23!!

Hey man relax. Your a tige owner and he is a nautique owner. You guys are obviously gonna defend your personal boat brands. And stop trying to start an argument with a kid who is like 20 years younger than you

True about the Axis. I have heard that wake is comparable to a G23. The only reason I say that is, I heard before the release of the new Tige that some other brands had bought G23's to find out how it was made, hull shape, etc.. But hey I could be wrong, I have been before.

@James 2...I am completely calm. I just asked a simple question and referenced an old thread. Sounds like you might me the one with a bit of aggression and irritation. I was just curious how he could know that was a copy of the G23 hull by a few quick shots. I have been wakeboarding since 1996 and around inboards over 30 years and I have no clue how the wake is by those short clips. We all know how big you can make a wake look with camera angles.

I was just curious what characteristics James saw in those few short seconds and obviously indulging camera angles that "instantly" he knew Tige had copied the G23. Its a legitimate question. I have said it before I love the G23 and if money grew on trees or I won the lottery I would for sure own one. I made no comment that implied brand loyalty to Tige. Matter of fact, I believe my comment was.."If Tige was smart they would have copied the G23"!! That wasn't talking crap...I was serious. Currently I don't own any boat. But last year I owned a Tige. Year before that a Pro am Skier. Before that a Mastercraft, Nautique, SKi Challenger, Malibu and I could go on. I happened to own a Tige because I like the dealer and he takes care of me. If he changed the sign out front to Malibu or nautique...I wouldn't own a Tige! But until then I will probably own a Tige. But as for being a chest beating brand pimp..I'll save that for someone else.

I'm speaking from experience and what I am about to post is really going to irritate some people on this board. I just can't take it anymore. A certain group of people here (and elsewhere) need to understand that their beloved Tige is not infallible and it's OK to admit the brand has issues. I believe it's only fair that someone is expressing the Tige issues in order to allow potential buyers the benefit of full disclosure.

#1 Their quality control is questionable at best. Of course their customer service "takes care of their customers." If they didn't they'd be out of business. I feel bad for those guys and gals who have to deal with the amount of QC issues that come across their desk. (CONVEX VX ring a bell?)

#2 The hulls have in my mind, a lot more imperfections than other manufacturers I'm familiar with. (remember those original Z3 chines some poor early buyers got?) I'd like to say you get what you pay for, but if I'm payin 50, 60, 100k for a boat I should get a lot better. Look down the outside of the hull, see the imperfections the waviness in the glass for lack of better term? That there is another sign of poor QC IMO. (Too much moisture in the air, too high or low temperatures, poorly maintained molds. It's hard to say exactly )Look closer you may even find some gel coat that has been patched in and the color is off. How bout your swim platform? Does it seem off level at all? I'd double check that.

#3 Their vinyl graphics are for a lack of a better term, crap. I never met a Tige that the graphics haven't had to be replaced on at least once.

#4 The TAPS system. If I were a new Tige buyer I'd order a TAPS ram right along with my boat so I don't inevitably ruin a perfectly good weekend. May as well toss in a switch for the handle while you're at it just in case.

I could go on but you get my point.

Someone will soon be barking about every brand having it's issues, and while that is definitely true, I'm voicing my opinion on Tige because people deserve to know the truth rather than get slammed each time they mention an issue with this manufacturer by the hardcore shills for this brand on this board and others. Or as I see in one persons case, his dealer. Do a quick search on the interwebs of your dealer. The BBB is a good place to start.

To sum it up. Sharp looking boats. They handle quite well. They're EXTREMELY comfortable and "safe feeling" though that's not really my thing. I don't care to be up to my neck at the gunnel. They do ride a little rougher than you'd expect. That can be compensated for with the TAPS and adding some weight to the bow ballast on a real choppy day. The customer service department is wonderful to work with. Poor QC. Fantastic ideas. Bad execution of those ideas. (Really, you had Wake9 guys boat dialed in with that Convex butt flap yet you got it wrong for EVERYONE ELSE?) How convenient for those customers.

Would I buy a Tige knowing what I know? No. Would I recommend them to someone else? Maybe, but it comes with a few caveats. If getting a boat that does a lot of things good but not one thing GREAT, (It surfs really good), it's all about price, and you're understanding that warranty issues are going to be a hassle for the first year or two, then yes I'd recommend it. As long as all those things are understood you could argue you're getting a good value. Just make sure you've got a good service department at the dealership to take care of you. Not that warranty claims are an issue, the guys at Tige expect it.

i'm speaking from experience and what i am about to post is really going to irritate some people on this board. I just can't take it anymore. A certain group of people here (and elsewhere) need to understand that their beloved tige is not infallible and it's ok to admit the brand has issues. I believe it's only fair that someone is expressing the tige issues in order to allow potential buyers the benefit of full disclosure.

#1 their quality control is questionable at best. Of course their customer service "takes care of their customers." if they didn't they'd be out of business. I feel bad for those guys and gals who have to deal with the amount of qc issues that come across their desk. (convex vx ring a bell?)

#2 the hulls have in my mind, a lot more imperfections than other manufacturers i'm familiar with. (remember those original z3 chines some poor early buyers got?) i'd like to say you get what you pay for, but if i'm payin 50, 60, 100k for a boat i should get a lot better. Look down the outside of the hull, see the imperfections the waviness in the glass for lack of better term? That there is another sign of poor qc imo. (too much moisture in the air, too high or low temperatures, poorly maintained molds. It's hard to say exactly )look closer you may even find some gel coat that has been patched in and the color is off. How bout your swim platform? Does it seem off level at all? I'd double check that.

#3 their vinyl graphics are for a lack of a better term, crap. I never met a tige that the graphics haven't had to be replaced on at least once.

#4 the taps system. If i were a new tige buyer i'd order a taps ram right along with my boat so i don't inevitably ruin a perfectly good weekend. May as well toss in a switch for the handle while you're at it just in case.

I could go on but you get my point.

Someone will soon be barking about every brand having it's issues, and while that is definitely true, i'm voicing my opinion on tige because people deserve to know the truth rather than get slammed each time they mention an issue with this manufacturer by the hardcore shills for this brand on this board and others. Or as i see in one persons case, his dealer. Do a quick search on the interwebs of your dealer. The bbb is a good place to start.

To sum it up. Sharp looking boats. They handle quite well. They're extremely comfortable and "safe feeling" though that's not really my thing. I don't care to be up to my neck at the gunnel. They do ride a little rougher than you'd expect. That can be compensated for with the taps and adding some weight to the bow ballast on a real choppy day. The customer service department is wonderful to work with. Poor qc. Fantastic ideas. Bad execution of those ideas. (really, you had wake9 guys boat dialed in with that convex butt flap yet you got it wrong for everyone else?) how convenient for those customers.

Would i buy a tige knowing what i know? No. Would i recommend them to someone else? Maybe, but it comes with a few caveats. If getting a boat that does a lot of things good but not one thing great, (it surfs really good), it's all about price, and you're understanding that warranty issues are going to be a hassle for the first year or two, then yes i'd recommend it. As long as all those things are understood you could argue you're getting a good value. Just make sure you've got a good service department at the dealership to take care of you. Not that warranty claims are an issue, the guys at tige expect it.

I'm Bill, from Dover. Feel better? Mike you're one of THE biggest Tige honks. Which is fine. If I'm not mistaken you have an older model. All of your warranty issues have been handled. You know what to expect next time. I hope you buy one of those "G23 Killers" then you can talk yourself into accepting mediocrity and poor construction quality followed by a year or 2 of endless quality control issues.

In quotes because those are the words that came out of the sales reps mouth at Surf Expo. I about choked on my free beer when that came out of his mouth. Tige will NEVER have the fit and finish of a Nautique and EVEN if they somehow managed, they'd never consistently get that buyer in that market. I'm not a Nautique guy, I'm just not naive enough to buy that load.

Wow i've owned two Tige's and the first has well over 600 hours. My current Tige has almost 350 hours.First Tige had a bilge pump go bad and a dead battery. To me that's nothing. Current Tige hasn't had anything fail. I know at least 10 other Tige owners at my home lake and only one has had issues.It was a PCM closed cooling issue that affected all PCM'S no matter which brand they were in. Sorry but i don't know you Bill from Dover.

Ok, honestly, where does all this hate for Tige come from? Was there some sort of Lon thread a few years ago I missed that made claims that Tige is a higher quality boat than Nautique? I bought my boat for the value/family use aspect and I'm very happy with it. It was a tremendous step up from my Bayliner and it throws wakes that all my friends are happy with, and none of us are close to pro level in any stretch of the imagination, we just like to have a good time on the water. I can tell you this Tige has been very reliable but so was my Bayliner. I think Nautique makes beautiful boats as well, and so does just about any boat manufacturer. I'd rather have a 12' John boat than no boat at all, so where does this hate for other boat brands come from?

None of them bought the Convex VX Bob? None of them had the grab handles from 2 or 3 years ago corrode and peel and have to replace every single one of them? Those ****ty board racks they put on from factory never gave anyone troubles? I digress. I guess if you've never had a steak you don't know what a good steak should taste like. Reminds me of all the Bayliner buyers years ago buying those things with the Force OB's on em. If all THOSE people have one they HAVE to be GREAT!

None of them bought the Convex VX Bob? None of them had the grab handles from 2 or 3 years ago corrode and peel and have to replace every single one of them? Those ****ty board racks they put on from factory never gave anyone troubles? I digress. I guess if you've never had a steak you don't know what a good steak should taste like. Reminds me of all the Bayliner buyers years ago buying those things with the Force OB's on em. If all THOSE people have one they HAVE to be GREAT!

840 hours and taps hasn't even hinted at dying and we've never even serviced it... Then again, I am sure Bennett trim tabs somewhere in the world have failed...

Tige got a bad rap late 90s with questionable quality and wakes and big marketing. Again they shot themselves in the foot marketing "taps makes it so you don't need ballast". Quality back then wasn't the best, but then again our family has a 99 and I know of people with 2000 Nautiques that are replacing their interior, ours is shot too, but I digress...

I like our Tige. It does an adequate job and throws a great surf wake for a DD. If I had the coin, I would consider a new RZR. Personally, my next boat will likely be a Bu or a Nautique as they are my wake preference...

And the g23 has the propellers falling off, and they are keeping it super quiet....not wanting to admit that the maybe should have sized up the shaft and did so on the 2014.

I cant really comment on tige. But i can tell you that my 2006 larson was every bit as good as my 2008 nautique for fit, finish, quality. ok, well the wake is better on the nautique...but that is beside the point.

None of them bought the Convex VX Bob? None of them had the grab handles from 2 or 3 years ago corrode and peel and have to replace every single one of them? Those ****ty board racks they put on from factory never gave anyone troubles? I digress. I guess if you've never had a steak you don't know what a good steak should taste like. Reminds me of all the Bayliner buyers years ago buying those things with the Force OB's on em. If all THOSE people have one they HAVE to be GREAT!

Bill i sold my Nautique to get my first Tige .Another Tige owner at the lake sold his Mastercraft to get his new Tige. Another Tige owner sold his Montery to get his first Tige. Many owners of other make wake boats complain of warranty issues to.You "hate mail" is coming across as sour grapes trying to get your point across to satisfied owners.

And the g23 has the propellers falling off, and they are keeping it super quiet....not wanting to admit that the maybe should have sized up the shaft and did so on the 2014.

I cant really comment on tige. But i can tell you that my 2006 larson was every bit as good as my 2008 nautique for fit, finish, quality. ok, well the wake is better on the nautique...but that is beside the point.

Scott your smoking crack comparing your Larson to your Nautique!!!! That's down right dumb. Guessing your Nautique you bought for a steal was abused by its previous owner or something because you sure seem to tell everyone how much it sucks everytime you get. And I can only speak for Nautique on warranty and can say it's top freaking notch! I had one small issue so far and the factory offered to ma me the part direct to fix or said I can take to dealer it was my choice! And that is a 4 yrs an 380hrs. I still got a yr left on it.

I to am interested in what Tige has but can say it will need to be better and 20k cheaper than a g to compete....

Thank you. I hadn't seen that before. I had been trying to keep up on the prop shaft "issue" but didn't actually run into a thread here, or that one on PN that stated the change for 2014. Your post was the first I had heard of it and there was always hearsay bs talk of the propshafts being too thin.

I still wonder if thats the actual issue, but Nautique obviously figures that its the way to solve the problem, so be it.

So Bill from dover, unless I own a Nautique I don't know what a real boat is like? Did I say my tige is better than yours? No, I'm satisfied with the performance, reliability and price of my boat, and I'm a good person and I don't look down on other boaters no matter what they have so I just feel sorry for you that you have a snobbish view of other boats and that you make all of us boaters as a whole look like uppity snobs.

Ron, You are right. Every time I hear people like you drinking the nautique kool-aid I figure I better balance things out with my honest opinion. And now that you mention it my dealer had to actually fight with nautique for weeks to get them to honor the warranty.

I am dumb huh. I least i gave up kool-aid and grew my own balls when i grew up.

And those bungee cord board racks are sooooo innovative. why don't you tell us how great they are?

ITige will NEVER have the fit and finish of a Nautique and EVEN if they somehow managed, they'd never consistently get that buyer in that market. I'm not a Nautique guy, I'm just not naive enough to buy that load.

Brian, you're one of those guys I mentioned in my original post. Getting all defensive and butt hurt because I am pointing out the your beloved Tige is not infallible. This is W.W. not T.O. Where people are allowed to post the Pro's AND Con's about whichever brand of boat they wish. Right now I wish to point out the FACTS of my experience with Tige.

I wish I could. Damn day off naps got me all screwed up. This is one huge cluster f if there ever was one. I don't know about you but I expected this boat to be unveiled when the clock hit 00 00 00. Not 00 00 00 and watch a bunch of people mill around and eat food.

Brian, you're one of those guys I mentioned in my original post. Getting all defensive and butt hurt because I am pointing out the your beloved Tige is not infallible. This is W.W. not T.O. Where people are allowed to post the Pro's AND Con's about whichever brand of boat they wish. Right now I wish to point out the FACTS of my experience with Tige.

I'm all about posting honest reviews, did you read any of my posts about when I picked up my boat from the dealer and had dead batteries and they closed for the weekend and I had to buy one on my own dime to get out on my first weekend with the boat? The cooler draining problems? But I haven't had any of the problems people had on the 2013. I really hate my trailer, and I've started and commented on that plenty on TO. My point is that this thread is about sharing the stoke for a new model, and nobody asked for recent experiences or problem reviews on their current models, this is about a new model, and the feed is running great on my iPad.