I would like to present some points of a devil's advocate (some smart
students can raise these counterclaims during the lecture) :
1. You can run batch files also on Windows (it for sure is less
convenient than shell scripts on Unix, but it is not impossible)
2. You can use Ant instead of makefile (it is also less convenient
than makefile + shell scripts, but is still possible)
3. You can use Perl on Windows
4. UNIX remark: I guess all the tools you mention pertain to Unix
also, so in general you provide points for learning Unix tools, not
necessary Linux ones. In particular, you probably can use them on cygwin on
Windows.
In general, my suspicion is that anything you can do in Unix, you can do
also in Windows, but in a less convenient/less productive way.
I hope not to make anybody here angry by providing such heretic remarks.
Regards,
Vadim
From: haifux-bounces at haifux.org [mailto:haifux-bounces at haifux.org] On Behalf
Of Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:51 AM
To: Shahar Dag
Cc: Haifux
Subject: Re: [Haifux] advanced of programming in Linux
I often see people spending approximately an hour each time, trying to
understand why their change was not included in the executable. The answer
is usually - because they forgot to insert the source into the list of
sources in the makefile. When I show them how to automatically create a list
of sources and compile them all, with the correct dependencies, the problem
is forever solved.
I use a makefile to build Haifux's site automatically in two languages,
while compiling lists of lectures in different pages.
I use make to properly build latex files, including the second pass required
for bibtex.
I use make ,diff, head to create automatic tests (regression tests) for
various programs, compare them automatically with previous results, and
produce a report of added capabilities, lost capabilities, changes requiring
the attention of a professional.
I use make and perl to create parametric sweep runs (batch runs with
different input parameters in each run). I specifically use here the
inherent quality of make, to work according to the date of targets, so that
if the parametric sweep was disturbed in the middle, only runs older than
the executable and input file are re-run.
2009/11/1 Shahar Dag <dag at cs.technion.ac.il>
Hello
To extent Elli's question:
We try to convince our students that programming on Linux is easier / faster
relative to Windows, so they better learn how to work with Linux.
We claim that using the build in shell commands and pipes we can compose a
solution for complex problem (almost) without programming.
Can you point us for real life examples that prove our claims?
Thanks in advanced
Shahar Dag
System & Software Development Laboratory (SSDL)
Computer Science Department
Technion - Israel Institute of Technology
Haifa, Israel
Tel. 972-4-829-4880
Fax 972-4-829-4878
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