The Blade trilogy, the Dark Knight trilogy, Man Of Steel, Godzilla... what's David S. Goyer going to do next? Well, aside from create a TV show called Da Vinci's Demons, appear on this week's Empire Podcast.

Joining him is Looper and Brothers Bloom and Brick's Rian Johnson, who was kind enough to drop by just because he was in London and, you know, is nice like that.

Elsewhere, the podcast team talk musical gems in the movies and whether Kelsey Grammer has ever actually tossed any salad or scrambled any eggs. Don't worry, it'll all make sense in context. Hopefully.