Hi,
I'm returning to this list after years elsewhere!
I'm looking for MANLEYS around Devon and Dorset.
I have Caroline Manley b 1894 in Aylesbeare. She was one of at least 13
children born to Charles Manley and Sarah Hughes. They were licensed hawkers and
in 1901 and 1911 were living in caravans just outside Hemyock.
Prior to this I can't find a definite Charles. In 1911 he said he was born
in Lyme, the only actual place I have for him (other than Dorset on 1901). I
do have birth cert for a Charles Manley born 1870 in Uplyme, the son of
Henry Manley and Matilda formerly WILLS. Henry Manley was given as a cutler. I
can find this family in 1871 in Sidmouth, lodging in a pub. Henry and Matilda
are both Hawkers and have 5 children with them. They were both born in Exeter.
I also have a marriage certificate for a Henry Manley and a Matilda WELLS
married in Bridport (Dorset) in 1847. On that Henry Manley said his father was
a sweep and he was also a Sweep. Matilda Wells father was James Wells,a
cutler. The oldest child with the family I found in Sidmouth was born in 1852 in
Withicombe, Devon, so 1847 marriage is a possibility.
On his marriage cert Charles gives his father as Harry Manley, horse dealer
and I have no other record of Harry anywhere.
Does any of this seem familiar to anyone? Would love some clues to sorting
out this puzzle.
Best wishes
Jas in Hemyock

Dorothy Stewart wrote:
> On the BMD I have found 2 strong possibilities of family marriages both in
> the registration district of Totnes and wondered if these records are
> available at the Devon Record Office for someone to look at and record the
> information. If this is possible is there someone out there who would not
> mind looking up the 2 marriages for me please the next time they are there
> or does anyone have any other suggestions as I hate to purchase the records
> in case they are not mine after all?
You're asking a lot there.
The marriages would be in the record office *if* they took place in a
church but not if they took place in a register office but Totnes
registration district covers more than just Totnes so it would mean
someone would have to check through all the places within the
registration district for the whole of the quarter until they found them.
See www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/REG/districts/totnes.html for the 32
townships or parishes within Totnes Registration District.
If you are have any information about the couple such as the father's
name, then you could contact the relevant register office (not record
office) and ask them if they have a marriage for <name of bride/groom>
with a father's name of <whatever>. If they have they'll tell you and
give you the option of buying from them. If they haven't, they'll
tell you so you can forget about it. The register office will often
need the name of the church in question.
You could order from the GRO and give the father's name as a reference
checking point. If it matches, then they'll issue the certificate.
If it doesn't, they'll refund part of the fee.

Is anyone researching the Emmett line? I have Charlotte Emmett supposedly baptised on 29 May 1803 at Wolborough and Newton Abbot being the daughter of John Emmett and Sarah. Charlotte married Thomas Hunt in 1835 and she died in 1850. I seem to have hit a brick wall. Does anyone have any information on John Emmett and his wife Sarah? Did Charlotte have siblings?
I have births and marriage information on printouts which I got from the DFHS but this is all before the 1812 start dates. Is there somewhere else I should be looking?
Any help or advice would be most welcome.
Regards
Sue
DFHS 15463

On the BMD I have found 2 strong possibilities of family marriages both in
the registration district of Totnes and wondered if these records are
available at the Devon Record Office for someone to look at and record the
information. If this is possible is there someone out there who would not
mind looking up the 2 marriages for me please the next time they are there
or does anyone have any other suggestions as I hate to purchase the records
in case they are not mine after all?
Thank you
Dorothy

Thanks very much Graham, for passing on the explanation from the DRO, it is much appreciated. I will wait patiently until they have updated the site.
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> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:36:01 -0000
> From: "Graham Parnell" <gjhp(a)btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [DEV] Re Devon record office
> To: <DEVON(a)rootsweb.com>
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> Regarding the messages discussing delays in processing orders at The Devon
> Record Office: I have checked with the DRO, and these delays have been
> caused by a necessary update to the on-line payments procedure by the County
> Council. This is beyond the control of the Record Office staff, but I have
> been asked to apologise on their behalf, and assure researchers that the
> service will resume as soon as possible.
>
> I hope that this clarifies the situation.
>
> Graham Parnell
>
> The Friends of Devon's Archives
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Dorothy Stephens wrote:
> I have most of the booklets on BMDs published by Devon FHS but in some cases
> there is insufficient information to confirm that the entries are the people
> I'm looking for. Do the original registers have more details i.e. parents'
> names for deaths etc and if so are they accessible to be searched?
The booklets you refer to are derived from parish registers of
baptisms, marriages, and burials, not from civil registration
certificates of births, marriages, and deaths, so the advice others
have offered about what's on a certificate is not necessarily
relevant. The short answer is yes, there may be additional
information in the original registers that's not in the booklet, but
there's no way to tell without looking at the register.
Even after parishes started using standardized printed register books,
some ministers added extra information in the margins, and some
occasionally left columns blank. The standard burial registers
introduced in 1813 do *not* have a space for the deceased's parents,
but they do give "abode", so if you know (e.g. from a census) where a
family lived, you may be able to work out from that whether you have
the right person. Unless, of course, the minister unhelpfully put
just "this parish" in the abode column, which is not uncommon. Before
1813, burial registers *usually* (but not necessarily always) name the
father when the deceased is a child, but that is very rare otherwise.
The original registers are not available online, and in general they
are not available on film or fiche either except at the Devon Record
Office. (The films available through the LDS and perhaps elsewhere
are of transcripts made in the first half of the 1900s. Sometimes the
transcription is accurate and complete, but sometimes it's not, and
transcripts only exist for certain parishes.) If you can't visit the
DRO, you have two options:
(1) Check to see whether there is an online parish clerk for the
parish you are interested in. The OPC project is explained here
* http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html
together with a list of the parishes included. If there is an OPC for
your parish of interest, he or she may be able to look up your person
in the registers for you. OPCs are volunteers, so there is no charge
for this, but thankyous are generally appreciated. :-)
(2) If there's no OPC, you can purchase microfiche copies of the
registers from the DRO. These are not cheap, but if you have a
particular interest in one or two parishes, they may well be worth it.
If you go this route, please consider volunteering as an OPC for the
parish you have purchased. There's information on how to do this and
what it involves at the same link I gave above. Please also feel free
to email me off-list about how being an OPC works. You don't need any
special expertise. You don't need to live in the parish. You just
need a few fiches and a willingness to help out.
Best regards,
Daniel
(OPC for Ashton, Cheriton Bishop, Christow, Dunsford, Hennock, and
Holcombe Burnell)

I have tried to trace Robert H Brown and his brother William H Brown in the
1911 census, but to no avail. William was 4 and Robert 8 months in 1881
when they were living in Brixham where they were both born. Their parents were
William, born in Liverpool (47 in 1881 and Johannah, born in Devonport (35 in
1881). The family had moved about as their father was in the Army but had
been settled in Brixham for ten years by 1881. I am wondering if they moved
abroad to either the US or Australia. I know that there were relatives in
both countries, but know for certain that there are some in Australia because my
late aunt visited them.
I know I am jumping the gun by posting before checking the 1891 and 1901
censuses but thought that someone might recognise the family. There was a ratio
of seven girls to two boys, so it would be difficult to check through the
female side. Sisters names were: Catherine J, Margaret, Elizabeth, Emily,
Edith, Alice F and Stella J. Thank you.
Anna

I have most of the booklets on BMDs published by Devon FHS but in some cases
there is insufficient information to confirm that the entries are the people
I'm looking for. Do the original registers have more details i.e. parents'
names for deaths etc and if so are they accessible to be searched? It would
have to wait until we come to the UK again, but it may be worthwhile if I
know they are the right people.
Many thanks.
Dorothy Stephens
<mailto:dstephens@getonit.net.au> dstephens(a)getonit.net.au

Hello
I am looking for descendants or anyone connected to the family of David HOWE
& Emma Jane Cowell BURRIDGE.
David was born c. 1840, son of George & Dianna; married Emma Jane Cowell
BURRIDGE 1862 at Plymouth.
David was a sailor in RN and in 1861 was aboard the "Liffey".
Jane was born c. 1842 at Exeter, Devon, dau of William BURRIDGE and Mary
COWELL.
Children of David & Emma:
Ernest James Cowell HOWE b. 1869 at Plymouth;
Florence Maud HOWE b 1871 Plymouth;
Alfred George HOWE b 1874 Plymouth;
Edith Amy HOWE b. 1878 Portsea, mar. Thomas John LUSCOMBE at Plymouth 1897.
Edith HOWE & Thomas LUSCOMBE had;
David Cecil LUSCOMBE b.c. 1900 Plymouth
Edna LUSCOMBE b.c. 1906 Plymouth
Any interest in any of these people?
Cheers
Judy
South Australia

Dorothy Stephens wrote:
> I have most of the booklets on BMDs published by Devon FHS but in
some cases
> there is insufficient information to confirm that the entries are
the people
> I'm looking for. Do the original registers have more details i.e.
parents'
> names for deaths etc and if so are they accessible to be searched?
It would
> have to wait until we come to the UK again, but it may be worthwhile
if I
> know they are the right people.
OK folks, lets try and clarify the situation here.
Dorothy is talking about booklets from Devon FHS, these booklets
normally cover the following dates
BAPTISMS 1813-1839
MARRIAGES 1754-1812
MARRIAGES 1813-1837
BURIALS 1813-1837.
The situation regarding information given in Parish Registers is,
generally, as follows:- All entries are of course dated.
Baptisms, most of the information is published in the booklets, names,
parents, fathers occupation and place of abode, about the only thing
missing is the name of the Vicar and any sponsors shown in the
registers.
Marriages, In the period 1754-1812- it is very unlikely that there is
any further information except possibly the parish one or other of the
parties comes from if outside the parish where the marriage is taking
place, UNLESS of a wealthy or well to do family the parents names are
very rarely shown, and when they are it's usually only the father's
name. Odd parishes may have additional information but this is not the
norm.
Marriages, in the period 1813-1837- again information is sparse, the
names and status of the marrying couple, possibly a parish if one of
them comes from outside the parish the marriage takes place in. The
person carrying out the marriage ceremony and the names of , normally,
two witnesses. Parental information is about the same as the earlier
period.
Burials, the name & age are normally shown, plus the place of abode-
usually just an area rather than an actual address, plus any odd notes
such as when a lot of burials are the result of cholera or something
similar, or a death in unusual circumstances may be noted.
Occassionally the burial of a young child might show the parents, but
not neccessarily.
Hope this clears this up.
Terry
What Tiscali can do for you - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/services
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Dorothy Stephens wrote:
> I have most of the booklets on BMDs published by Devon FHS but in some cases
> there is insufficient information to confirm that the entries are the people
> I'm looking for. Do the original registers have more details i.e. parents'
> names for deaths etc and if so are they accessible to be searched? It would
> have to wait until we come to the UK again, but it may be worthwhile if I
> know they are the right people.
Parents names are not given on English/Welsh certificates unless it is
a child in which case the father's name will be given in the
occupation column (if the child wasn't illegitimate). The mother's
name might be given if she was the informant of the death but it would
not necessarily state she was the mother only that she was "present at
the death".
The father's name is given on marriage certificates, if the child is
not illegitimate when the columns for his name and occupation are left
blank. The mother's name is not given. On very rare occasions the
mother might be named instead of the father. I have one marriage
certificate amongst 100+ where the mother is named instead of the father.
What you get on the certificates is all there is available.
You'll find the following site useful to bookmark for what is and is
not on English and Welsh certificates:
http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/indexbd.htm
The information given in the marriage registers is the same as on the
marriage certificates, post civil registration. The information in
the marriage registers pre civil registration is less. The further
back you go the less information there is.
The information in the burial registers is less than on the death
certificate and gets less pre civil registration.

Forwarded with the approval of the original poster.
Begin forwarded message:
> From: "Caroline Bradford" <caroline.bradford(a)btinternet.com>
> Date: 30 January 2009 09:51:52 GMT
>
>
> Dear All
>
> The release of the 1911 census has brought many new converts to the
> family
> history fold. Many of them are already learning how this new-found
> hobby
> can make a serious dent in the wallet. I am therefore posting this
> important warning to the unwary.
>
> GRO certificates of births, marriages and deaths cost 7GBP each
> including
> postage (to anywhere in the world), provided you have the GRO index
> reference and order them *directly from the GRO* via their website at
> www.gro.gov.uk. Certificates ordered this way normally arrive
> within about
> 7 working days.
> There are other organisations out there, some of whom are
> obviously dodgy, but others which have a high profile and otherwise
> respectable reputation as suppliers of online genealogical data, who
> are
> offering a certificate supply service which is both considerably more
> expensive and much slower. Caveat Emptor!
>
> Please *do not* reply to this message on the list, as it is clearly
> off-topic.
>
> Happy hunting!
>
> Caroline

Parents' names probably not but the GRO death record shows the informant who
in the case of a child would be very likely a parent. Parish records some
times may state e.g; John son of William or John husband of Emma when there
are two people of the same name and roughly the same age

I tried to order a document online before Christmas but failed I wonder if this has been
happening for a while now.
Jill
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From: belisama.cs8(a)ntlworld.com
To: devon(a)rootsweb.com
CC: devon-request(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 9:01
Subject: [DEV] Re Devon record office
That's what I found on DRO site, closed from 2-13 feb, yet I have been trying
to order for over a week online. I guess they have also closed the online
ordering as part of the stocktaking and maintenance. Thanks for your replies.
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:41:04 EST
> From: Mkealauna(a)aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DEV] Devon Record Office
> To: liverpud-49(a)rogers.com, belisama.cs8(a)ntlworld.com,
> devon(a)rootsweb.com
> Cc: devon-request(a)rootsweb.com
> Message-ID: <d49.3b7317f0.36b36050(a)aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
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> Was open yesterday
> Think it is closed from 2-13 Feb
> Reopens 16th Feb
> mike
>
>
> In a message dated 29/01/2009 19:25:06 GMT Standard Time,
> liverpud-49(a)rogers.com writes:
>
> Just googled Devon Record Office and it is closed for stock taking.
> http://www.devon.gov.uk/record_office.htm
>
>
>
>
>
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Hi List,
All the talk about the name Hore, brought to mind a brick wall a contact of mine has, she is looking to find more info on a JAMES ( KEKEWICK ) HORE born about 1830 in Exeter. She knows he married a EMMA FORTISCUE in Middlesex in 1850 and from the marriage certificate she knows James father was also a JAMES HORE.
I have found James Jnr living with his parents JAMES HORE aged 45 and ANN aged 40 in the 1841 census and can follow James jnr up through the years. I also beleive I have found James and Ann again in 1851 at Exeter St Marys steps, also living with them are FANNY ROPER (daughter aged 26) WILLIAM HORE (son aged 19) and LUCY ROPER (granddaughter aged 5).
What she would like to know, is
1. To confirm both parents names, from the parish register (Ive tried familysearch)
2. A Birth registration for James Kekewick Hore
2.Get in contact with anybody else researching this line
3. Maybe dig a little deeper.
I cant find James snr and Ann in any census past 1851, or find any birth or marriage of a Fanny Hore to a Roper.Lucy Roper is a servant in 1861.
Any help with these people will be great, my connection is through the Churchill family in Buckland St Mary, Somerset.
Many thanks
Stuart Churchill
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I have been trying to order copies online but the site seems to have a problem. Has anyone else encountered this and does anyone know when it is likely to be resolved? Maybe it has something to do with the forthcoming temporary closure?
Many thanks.

AS usual- no discussion on list please.
In your new 2009 diary - put a big ring round Sunday, 3 May. It's the date
of the new family history occasion in London - The FH Event at the
Barbican - see www.theFHevent.info
The FH Event is being organised by a group of family historians who have
come together to promote a non profit making event that is affordable for
visitors & exhibitors. This one day event has been priced at £8.00 entrance
ticket, bookable in advance, to encourage a large attendance from family
historians.
There's an enthusiasm amongst Family History Societies to support this
event. It's well positioned for access from all directions, and with
plentiful, reasonably priced car parking at the Barbican itself, or free at
the roadside in the vicinity.
There will be over 300 tables of Family History Societies with their help
desks. And not only Family History Societies from across the country will
be there, but also organisations such as the Metropolitan Police & the
British Association for Local History. The sponsor Find my Past will be
showcasing the 1911 census. A full free lecture programme throughout the day
from three theatres is available - see
http://www.thefhevent.com/lectprog1.html
The website is www.theFHevent.info - do keep an eye on updates. Booking for
entrance & lectures has been made available in advance, so it could not be
easier, with Postal order, cheque, chip & pin, "card holder not present" &
online methods of payment.
Sandra Vane,
For The FH Event
www.theFHevent.info

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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:05:57 -0500
> From: Michael Evens <jmefam(a)sympatico.ca>
> Subject: [DEV] Michael Evens - Sayers Article
> To: DEVON-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Message-ID: <497F06B5.1060003(a)sympatico.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> I was wondering if anyone has access to the following article which I
> have seen noted on http://www.rhs.ac.uk
>
> Sayers, A. L. 'Michael Evens, village constable, tailor and smuggler'.
> /Devon Historian/, 54 (1997), 24-26.
>
> I have reason to believe that this Michael Evens is either a 3rd or 4th
> Great Grandfather of mine (both were named Michael Evens, from Holbeton
> and associated with an Inn as I understand the one in this article was)
> and I would be interested in knowing the contents of this article.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
I just wanted to say thanks. I have a copy of the article in hand and
have confirmed it is my relative.
- Michael Evens

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