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You do know how averages work right? This is the equivalent of me stating the fact that on average men are more aggressive than women and you pointing out a super aggressive woman as "proof" that the fact I stated was wrong. This type of nonsense might convince children.....or those on the left, but it's not going to get you far with an adult audience.

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"Diversity" is a massive racist dog whistle against white people. However, Europe has it far worse -- Sweden in particular, where they have become tolerant of the intolerant (Islam) to an insane degree.

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And the other side is the VERY reason that man is in office. 10% of Bernie voters voted for Trump, which handed Trump wins in counties and states that he likely had no business winning.

It really is amazing to me, that the Left never acknowledges their failures. Trump was nominated because the GOP didn't take him seriously at the start, but we have Trump as a President because the DNC alienated Bernie Sanders voters. Wake up, both sides are at fault. I knew this going in, which is why I voted for Gary Johnson. I wasn't going to be a part of the train wreck that was Trump.

Per NPR:

In Michigan, an estimated, 47,915 Bernie Supporters voted for Trump, which is 8%. Trump won Michigan by 10,704 votes.

In Pennsylvania 16% of Bernie voters, estimated to be 117,100 voted for Trump. Trump w0n Michigan by 44,292 votes.

In Wisconsin, an estimated 9% or 51,317 Bernie voters, voted for Trump. Trump won Wisconsin by 22,748 votes.

The DNC is at fault for Trump, accept it and hold them accountable.

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So "both sides" are responsible because a very small minority of Democrats voted for Trump while an overwhelming majority of Republicans voted for Trump. The GOP nominated Trump because they didn't take him seriously. All sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me. Just own who is the head of the party, own it all because he's yours for the rest of all-time.

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The problem I have with this is it would put my dad into the category of a stupid racist hater which he isn't. I do value his perspective on things since we can completely disagree on issues and he does present valid ideas in his own way lol. The picture also implies that Democrats hold truth, open mindedness, and love of others as paramount. Those values would seem to be undercut by the vast generalizations and proud disgust for others illustrated in that pic.

And the other side is the VERY reason that man is in office. 10% of Bernie voters voted for Trump, which handed Trump wins in counties and states that he likely had no business winning.

It really is amazing to me, that the Left never acknowledges their failures. Trump was nominated because the GOP didn't take him seriously at the start, but we have Trump as a President because the DNC alienated Bernie Sanders voters. Wake up, both sides are at fault. I knew this going in, which is why I voted for Gary Johnson. I wasn't going to be a part of the train wreck that was Trump.

Per NPR:

In Michigan, an estimated, 47,915 Bernie Supporters voted for Trump, which is 8%. Trump won Michigan by 10,704 votes.

In Pennsylvania 16% of Bernie voters, estimated to be 117,100 voted for Trump. Trump w0n Michigan by 44,292 votes.

In Wisconsin, an estimated 9% or 51,317 Bernie voters, voted for Trump. Trump won Wisconsin by 22,748 votes.

The DNC is at fault for Trump, accept it and hold them accountable.

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Nope. Bernie Bros didn’t play too win while your side held their nose and voted for Trump. Bernie Bros were butthurt while your Evangicsls voted for Trump. Sure didn’t help having Russian troll farms blast anti Hillary news daily along with the GOP.

Again, Trump won the presidency with a lower percentage of the popular vote (1.1%) than Romney lost with in 2012. Both sides, Democrats and Republicans lost votes to third parties at about 5% of their voters - it was fairly even. As you even alluded to, very few, if any disgruntled GOP voters voted for Hillary over Trump, the ones that were disgruntled went third party (like myself).

The difference was, 10% of Bernie voters voted for Trump to spite the DNC - not a third party. Disgruntled Bernie voters are what handed Trump the presidency. The fact that those on the left refuse to believe that, is baffling. The numbers are there plain as day... and they are reported by NPR of all places.

Had the DNC not screwed over Bernie in the primary, and given him a fair fight. A Democrat would likely be in the White House.

So "both sides" are responsible because a very small minority of Democrats voted for Trump while an overwhelming majority of Republicans voted for Trump. The GOP nominated Trump because they didn't take him seriously. All sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me. Just own who is the head of the party, own it all because he's yours for the rest of all-time.

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The GOP could have stopped Trump early during his run if they took him more seriously far before the primaries, but they didn't. And unlike the farce that is the DNC primaries, once Trump gained momentum, it was impossible to stop his nomination. At least the GOP has a fair nomination process.

Again, a large portion from both sides voted 3rd party, and seeing as 36% of the US is conservative, they weren't going to vote for Hillary, it is ridiculous to think they would. Most of the moderates that voted for Trump, and the democrats that voted for Trump, did so because he was "anti-establishment" more than anything.

You guys are freaking hilarious with your semantics, "we're not to blame as much as the GOP..." okay, keep trying to convince yourself of that, when pretty much every post election metric proves that the DNC's corruption lead to Trump winning. Even if it was 20% Dems fault and 80% Republicans at fault, they are both still culpable.

That is the entire problem with party allegiances. Everyone is so damn afraid admitting that their party was wrong. I don't get it, you do not owe your party, or your politicians anything. They work for you, not the other way around. Hold them accountable. The fact is, had the DNC not screwed over Bernie, 10% of his voters wouldn't have jumped ship to Trump, and far fewer would have jumped to the 3rd party. You can try to convince yourself that isn't the case all you want, but the only person you are fooling is yourself.

Holding your party accountable doesn't make them weaker, it makes them stronger. And trust me, I am holding my party accountable, MAGA sheep be damned.

Nope. Bernie Bros didn’t play too win while your side held their nose and voted for Trump. Bernie Bros were butthurt while your Evangicsls voted for Trump. Sure didn’t help having Russian troll farms blast anti Hillary news daily along with the GOP.

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Bernie had the support of enough Dems to make Hillary lose the election. Do you not remember the DNC email leaks (Huffington Post Article)? They proved collusion with the elite in the DNC to torpedo Bernie's campaign from the get-go. Hillary lost the presidency by a total of 120,000 votes across three states - and 10% of disgruntled Bernie voters voted for Trump.. This isn't for debate, it is fact.

How can you seriously defend the DNC for their collusion? It is truly baffling that hardly any liberals hold them accountable.

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The GOP could have stopped Trump early during his run if they took him more seriously far before the primaries, but they didn't. And unlike the farce that is the DNC primaries, once Trump gained momentum, it was impossible to stop his nomination. At least the GOP has a fair nomination process.

Again, a large portion from both sides voted 3rd party, and seeing as 36% of the US is conservative, they weren't going to vote for Hillary, it is ridiculous to think they would. Most of the moderates that voted for Trump, and the democrats that voted for Trump, did so because he was "anti-establishment" more than anything.

You guys are freaking hilarious with your semantics, "we're not to blame as much as the GOP..." okay, keep trying to convince yourself of that, when pretty much every post election metric proves that the DNC's corruption lead to Trump winning. Even if it was 20% Dems fault and 80% Republicans at fault, they are both still culpable.

That is the entire problem with party allegiances. Everyone is so damn afraid admitting that their party was wrong. I don't get it, you do not owe your party, or your politicians anything. They work for you, not the other way around. Hold them accountable. The fact is, had the DNC not screwed over Bernie, 10% of his voters wouldn't have jumped ship to Trump, and far fewer would have jumped to the 3rd party. You can try to convince yourself that isn't the case all you want, but the only person you are fooling is yourself.

Holding your party accountable doesn't make them weaker, it makes them stronger. And trust me, I am holding my party accountable, MAGA sheep be damned.

Bernie had the support of enough Dems to make Hillary lose the election. Do you not remember the DNC email leaks (Huffington Post Article)? They proved collusion with the elite in the DNC to torpedo Bernie's campaign from the get-go. Hillary lost the presidency by a total of 120,000 votes across three states - and 10% of disgruntled Bernie voters voted for Trump.. This isn't for debate, it is fact.

How can you seriously defend the DNC for their collusion? It is truly baffling that hardly any liberals hold them accountable.

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Let's not forget the media is in part to blame (or in Trump's case credit) for his momentum. They covered his outrageous statements because they were outrageous. They didn't believe people would take it seriously, but they gave him publicity over and over, and that gave him free coverage and airplay that he would have never had. That played a part in the snowball effect.

That being said the fact that people in the GOP did give him credence is still deserving of some blame.

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"Diversity" is a massive racist dog whistle against white people. However, Europe has it far worse -- Sweden in particular, where they have become tolerant of the intolerant (Islam) to an insane degree.

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Yes, diversity is making the stupid brownies take away jobs from the superior white race!!!!

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"Diversity" is a massive racist dog whistle against white people. However, Europe has it far worse -- Sweden in particular, where they have become tolerant of the intolerant (Islam) to an insane degree.

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I'm not sure why you are so scared. I am sure it is rooted in something. Have you ever traveled outside of the United States? If so, where, and for how long? Do you regularly read literature? If so, who are your favorite authors? I would really like to understand.

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The GOP could have stopped Trump early during his run if they took him more seriously far before the primaries, but they didn't. And unlike the farce that is the DNC primaries, once Trump gained momentum, it was impossible to stop his nomination. At least the GOP has a fair nomination process.

Again, a large portion from both sides voted 3rd party, and seeing as 36% of the US is conservative, they weren't going to vote for Hillary, it is ridiculous to think they would. Most of the moderates that voted for Trump, and the democrats that voted for Trump, did so because he was "anti-establishment" more than anything.

You guys are freaking hilarious with your semantics, "we're not to blame as much as the GOP..." okay, keep trying to convince yourself of that, when pretty much every post election metric proves that the DNC's corruption lead to Trump winning. Even if it was 20% Dems fault and 80% Republicans at fault, they are both still culpable.

That is the entire problem with party allegiances. Everyone is so damn afraid admitting that their party was wrong. I don't get it, you do not owe your party, or your politicians anything. They work for you, not the other way around. Hold them accountable. The fact is, had the DNC not screwed over Bernie, 10% of his voters wouldn't have jumped ship to Trump, and far fewer would have jumped to the 3rd party. You can try to convince yourself that isn't the case all you want, but the only person you are fooling is yourself.

Holding your party accountable doesn't make them weaker, it makes them stronger. And trust me, I am holding my party accountable, MAGA sheep be damned.

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I didn't vote for Bernie Sanders and then Clinton because of party allegiance, I voted for them because their policies were preferable. I didn't vote for Trump because he is an ignorant, bigoted imbecile who is mentally unfit to lead a boy scout troop much less a country. Democrats aren't culpable for who Republicans nominated. Get over it. Republicans had several competent politicians to vote for and instead nominated a buffoon and they voted overwhelmingly for that buffoon. Now our country will suffer because of it. Every stupid policy, every inept nomination, every corrupt act, it's on the Republican Party. They own it, forever. You can blame Democrats, the media, the Russians, whoever you want but Republicans placed those votes and they own those votes. The Democratic Party had an actual debate while the Republican Party had a freak show of insults and trash.

"Diversity" is a massive racist dog whistle against white people. However, Europe has it far worse -- Sweden in particular, where they have become tolerant of the intolerant (Islam) to an insane degree.

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Meh, don't think you know how Islam conducts itself in Europe. It's the opposite of integration and hateful narratives persist. That part has to change before the host can keep bending over backwards to accomodate marginal talent.

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I didn't vote for Bernie Sanders and then Clinton because of party allegiance, I voted for them because their policies were preferable. I didn't vote for Trump because he is an ignorant, bigoted imbecile who is mentally unfit to lead a boy scout troop much less a country. Democrats aren't culpable for who Republicans nominated. Get over it. Republicans had several competent politicians to vote for and instead nominated a buffoon and they voted overwhelmingly for that buffoon. Now our country will suffer because of it. Every stupid policy, every inept nomination, every corrupt act, it's on the Republican Party. They own it, forever. You can blame Democrats, the media, the Russians, whoever you want but Republicans placed those votes and they own those votes. The Democratic Party had an actual debate while the Republican Party had a freak show of insults and trash.

You do know how averages work right? This is the equivalent of me stating the fact that on average men are more aggressive than women and you pointing out a super aggressive woman as "proof" that the fact I stated was wrong. This type of nonsense might convince children.....or those on the left, but it's not going to get you far with an adult audience.

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