Dave Mann

I see that the Governor General, Sir Whatsisname has retired after 5 years of doing nothing, saying nothing and sitting in a darkened room somewhere.

This is great. It shows that our constitutional system is working perfectly. I’m not aware of anything that this guy has ever done and I think this is by far preferable in a ‘head of state’ than continually wanking away like Trump and Clinton, or murdering, stealing and generally behaving like so many monarchs and presidents all over the world.

Well done whatever your name is and here’s hoping for a similar output from whoever succeeds you – if it’s a woman, though, I suppose we’ll have to be prepared for a certain amount of shrill screeching before she settles down 😀

Notsofast

Keeping Stock you say at 8 59, and I missed it

“”Notsofast – Lundy has twice been tried by jury, and twice found guilty of the murders of his wife and daughter, quite rightly in my ever-humble opinion. Having formerly been a long-term resident of Palmerston North I know many of the people within his social circle, and without exception, they too believe that the jury got it right on both occasions.

There will be no compensation for Lundy.””

There is a book of case facts that Mike White and Steve Braunias have read. I have a copy in my hand. It shows serial mendacity by the investigating police, missing note books, and so on. I am perfectly aware that his brother changed his name, and believes Mark is guilty. Also that some supporters left town.
How does that convert impossibilities in the case to plausibilities.
I suggest you read Braunias’s book The Scene of the Crime, and Jono Galuzka’s review. Jono attended every day of the second trial as well. I wonder what he believes at this time.
Knowing people who recall the previous Mark Lundy, will not get him to Palmerston North at that time with 30 liters too little petrol. There have been two trials where the notion of petrol in cans was never raised. At the appeal hearing Andrew Tipping informally solved the problem saying he would have had jerry cans, but this is outside his legal right to do so. That is why it did not appear in the Appeal judgement, or at the privy council.
The Whanganui case that was won in the disputes tribunal compelled the Ford spokesman in New Zealand to legally confirm what everyone knows, the production numbers for consumption cited have nothing to do with road use, but are designed to compare different vehicles in a standard fashion. Mark’s car consumed 12.4 liters per 100 on ordinary open road driving. The police have that from a measured drive Lundy had done from Putaruru to Eltham but never used it for obvious reasons. Grantham gave timing from Johnsonville roundabout to the police cordon that required an average speed of 104 km/hour, which requires a foot hard on the floor at all possible occasions, and consumption rises to 27 liters/100 km.
The odometer allowed less than 100km surplus for 11 days of KNOWN trips, 5 days of which were around Palmerston North and New Plymouth, and I bet he did very little walking to keep the beast from clocking mileage. In fact the reality is the odometer is an alibi. It works a bit like cost overruns, unexpected and forgotten items.
Then the time off death is impossible as I have explained.
I know what occurred. Mike Cummings was editor of the Manawatu standard, and in cahoots with the police they all drip fed the character assassination. Cummings knows the case facts, but must sell newspapers. It happened to Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito, check on the process. It wasn’t required of course, for Tamihere or MacDonald.
Th next appeal court is bound to give full reasons for denying an appeal. I would listen to any ideas you have as to how they will validate a jury decision that flies in the face of all known facts. And the shirt evidence is being dismembered in America.

Notsofast

tom hunter, it is an axiom that in the rare cases where an innocent man is locked up, the evidence is fabricated. You can’ tget around it. Clearly the material on Lundy’s shirt is not brain as he was in Petone, so it was fabricated. Grantham believes his Texan Cowboy, but no American does. The riddle is to prove it, and the matter is in hand.
An interesting feature is that Arthur Thomas will be cited, people say they wouldn’t pull that stunt again. But they do, by hammering all the square pegs into round holes.
Now, why was the blood on Robin’s hands not tested? Why was the sample destroyed at the first opportunity?

112. The petitioner alleges that the Police and ESR failed to analyze blood stains on Robin’s hands and possibly under his fingernails. He claims that, had this been done, it may have indicated that the blood was from other family members, and that Robin had been involved in the killings.

113. As noted above, at trial defense counsel cross examined Dr Dempster on the identity of the blood on Robin’s hands, and drew the admission that the blood stain on the left index fingernail had never been analyzed. However, ESR case notes (taken by Mr Hentschel) indicate other samples from Robin’s hands, including swabs taken from Robin’s left little finger, and the base of his thumb, and scrapings from under his fingernails revealed insufficient blood for grouping to be made.

Jack5

Here’s another topic that might generate a few posts…

The Guardian, which is reported to be in a slow death-bleed of cash, features an attack on the old British empire and colonialism, and I guess, by implication that would cover non-Maori New Zealanders. Looks like that some immigrants from the old empire don’t so much want to become English men and English women, but to change English people culturally to line up with the Third World unaligned cultures.

The writer is Kehinde Andrews, an associate professor (that is lecturer) in sociology at Birmingham City University. The Guardian describes his research specialism as race and racism.

Kimbo

tom hunter, it is an axiom that in the rare cases where an innocent man is locked up, the evidence is fabricated. You can’ tget around it. Clearly the material on Lundy’s shirt is not brain as he was in Petone, so it was fabricated.

…anyone need a model example of circular reasoning?

Oh, yeah and as per my previous observation on the liberal use of adverbs to rhetorically paper over bullshit arguments, note the unmerited yet condescending use of “clearly”. Plus the equivalent confection, “it is an axiom”

David Garrett

It’s bloody awful! I guess I am a true conservative…resistant to change unless there is a damn good reason…and two comments on this thread just disappeared…let’s see how this one goes…OK, that worked…guess I will just have to get used to it…

chiz

howitis

Well Notsofast.
I see your arguments for Lundy.
Others say there were two trials.
In theory yes.
In reality no.

The cops completely made up the ‘drive at 1000 mph to Palmy in peak traffic and dressed in drag but was recognised by a person who was also a psychic woooooh, and the wife was in bed at 7pm against all known patterns’ fantasy.

The first so called trial was complete crap and made up of perjury. I was arguing with an ex ESR person a few years ago. He insisted it was all true. What a dick! No-one could replicate the fantasy car trip at 5pm on a weekday. Even if the spirit of Sterling Moss inhabited Lundy’s body for a few hours (fits with psychic garbage) it could not be done in that car with its brakes and steering system with the volume of traffic and no-one calling *555.

The cops on the stand in the first ‘trial’ should be up for perjury. They made up shit. Pure and simple. No one questioned why after all their investigation they did not present argument No2 in the first place. At least it had some plausibility unlike fairytale No1 for which Lundy was wrongly convicted.

Mark Lundy has to be a valid suspect.
It may be he is guilty but the multiple stories the cops made up leave room for reasonable doubt.

Notsofast

Nice to get a sprinkling of support Howitis.
That is the problem. The appeal court were encouraged to believe that story by John Pike QC and made a declaratively false statement in saying the jury were entitled to believe he could average 120 kph on the return trip. The true figure is 90 kph with the foot flat to the boards whenever possible. Grantham lied about the time of arrival at the cordon to stretch that to 104 kph to help his case. He knows exactly what he did. Perjury is exactly right, and private prosecutions would succeed in a fair judicial regime.
The alternative theory is in fact just as bad, as Lundy never left the foreshore motel, he was snoring after rum coke and escort.

AgentBallSack

chiz

Although she has gone to extraordinary lengths to distract and deceive American voters, the truth is finally coming out: Hillary Clinton has an 11th toe.

I don’t have the medical records. She refuses to release them. But just try to come up with some other explanation for why she’s so infrequently photographed in sandals or flip-flops; why she seldom appears barefoot in public; why, during debates, she keeps her legs, especially the lower halves, tucked carefully behind the lectern.

Have you watched her walk? Look closely. She wobbles a bit, or maybe it’s more of a teeter, combined with a lurch, and the likeliest cause is podiatric asymmetry. I consulted foot specialists. At least they referred to themselves that way online, and when I assured them that an interview with me could be their springboard to Sean Hannity, they opened up.

mikenmild

rightoverlabour

I dont know the details of the Lundy Case, but if he is innocent, that means there is a psychopath out there that has not been apprehended. The question is then, why has he/she /it not struck again? Secondly, why did Lundy go miles away to bang a hooker? Are there no local ones in Palmy? I don’t quite know why some men use the services of these woman, but surely you would use ones reseonably close by? Lastly, ( and I suspect the reason why the police suspected him in the first place ) was his strange change in demeanor after the murder and funeral. It may be true that the scientific eveidence and police procedures were suspect, but these three questions remain.

Notsofast

Who killed Scott Guy?
Who killed George Taiora?
The police refuse to investigate the former and may be wrong with Winders in the latter. If he is found not guilty they will say they are looking for nobody else.

At the crime scene morning a police woman is known to have asked. What man would do that to his wife and daughter? Kelly told Lundy in his arrest interview we suspected you from day one.

He was on a sales trip in Wellington and stayed the night in Petone while P thugs broke in and killed his family in pursuit of a misunderstood debt.

One, it may not have been a psychopath (I suggest it was not). Two, Lundy was away on business (I seem to recall he made this trip every two weeks or so). Three, Lundy fainted at the funeral, and people find that suspicious. Lindy Chamberlain seemed cold and distant, and people found that suspicious. It seems like when you are a suspect, you just can’t win. Moreover, the police suspected him from day one, long before there was any demeanor evidence (tunnel vision and confirmation bias were at play IMO). Amber’s stomach contents are inconsistent with the TOD from the 2015 trial. The second trial was less ridiculous than the first, but that is a low bar. I’ll take hard evidence over demeanor every day of the week.

Don the Kiwi

While much has been made of the tie between Donald Trump’s now former campaign chairman Paul Manafort and Russian autocrat Vladimir Putin, less has been made of the ties between Hillary Clinton’s campaign and pro-Putin forces in Ukraine. Manafort, who stepped down as Trump’s campaign chairman on Friday, previously worked for the pro-Russian president of Ukraine, Viktor Yanukoych.

But according to the Associated Press, so too did a firm founded and at that point headed up by Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager John Podesta — all thanks to a contract from Manafort.

Manafort and business associate Rick Gates, another top strategist in Trump’s campaign, were working in 2012 on behalf of the political party of Ukraine’s then-president, Viktor Yanukovych.

People with direct knowledge of Gates’ work said that, during the period when Gates and Manafort were consultants to the Ukraine president’s political party, Gates was also helping steer the advocacy work done by a pro-Yanukovych nonprofit that hired a pair of Washington lobbying firms, Podesta Group Inc. and Mercury LLC.

While the reports from AP point to nothing illegal, the ties between Manafort, Podesta and Putin do raise questions about the relationship of Clinton’s campaign to the Russian autocrat, especially as they try to tie Trump to Putin.

Johnboy

David Garrett

You’d have to be a better man than me to handle Wahine in full bristle JB!

One of her favourite stories involves Hone the Racist, who somehow came to know Wahine and I are good friends…Apparently Hone made the mistake of bailing Wahine up at some tribal function and saying ” I hear you are a friend of David Garrett’s?”

Manolo

There’s a big difference between the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton Family Foundation, or at least we’re told. Who says words don’t mean anything? Like somebody, maybe Mark Twain, once said, a word can mean the difference between a lightning bug and lightning.

Manolo

An extraordinary eight-minute music video/revenge fantasy called “We are standing to last drop of blood” has been regularly shown on on Iran’s national TV this month, setting social media buzzing.

The film shows patriotic youths magically destroying an American invasion fleet which has targeted an idyllic Iranian seaside town and its peaceful nuclear power plant. When the civilians come under unprovoked attack the Iranian heroes unite to use the power of their national flag to create a tsunami that destroys the US ships and aircraft.

It ends with dozens of American corpses floating in the ocean while tranquil order has returned to the idyllic seaside town and peaceful nuclear power plant. Subtle it is not.

emmess

David Garrett

emmess: I had two comments disappear…there was a transition period before all the features were working…I’m afraid your pearls of wisdom are probably lost to posterity…Actually to my considerable surprise, I am getting the hang of this..

Shunda barunda

Wow this will really upset the conservatives .
Change Mutter Mutter dont like change.
Too soon and too shinny new for an opinion.
Like updating operating systems will take time to reorientation.
Threaded debate has its upside.
You will not lose comments among the clutter.

Aliog

mikenmild

I see today is the 100th anniversary of the execution of the first of our First World War deserters – Frank Hughes. Sadly, I find I can remember the names of these men (Hughes, Sweeney, Spencer, King, Braithwaite) more clearly than most of the NZ VC winners from that war (Bassett, Travis, Judson, Andrew).

mikenmild

Andrew and Hargest were hardly ‘ordinary’ soldiers. After distinguishing themselves in the First World War, they were probably too old to serve effectively in the Second. Hargest in particular was medically unfit and only went away with 2NZEF due to his political connections. Without the command failures at Maleme, the battle on Crete might have turned out differently.
It’s not a gripe, and pointing out failures is not malicious or disrespectful.

mikenmild

Stars And Stripes

Get the dictionary out and formally define the word if you wish but any form of selling out your own side is a traitor in my books.
Glad some people including my grandfather had more moral fortitude than those cowards.

mikenmild

Desertion is generally a response when someone has reached the end of his tether. In the case of Hughes, he was a drinker and had no mates (often an essential feature in such harsh conditions). I think that was the case for Sweeney and King as well. Spencer might have been suffering PTSD after his service in Gallipoli. Braithwaite was executed after getting involved in a ‘mutiny’ at a detention camps .
I shouldn’t judge them too harshly for failing in such circumstances.

David Garrett

Good on you Milky for that reminder…I don’t think of myself as a coward (who does, I guess) but I am far from sure I could have taken the Western Front…with the mud and the rats as well as the bullets and shells….Awful awful war…

mikenmild

That might well have been a factor in Braithwaite’s execution. Australians were more involved in the detention camp mutiny, but were exempt from the death penalty. The Australian legislation provided that any death sentence had to be approved by the Australian Governor-General. Politically, that was a no go, due to the campaigns to introduce conscription in Australia.

Stars And Stripes

“Historic Places Trust president James Blackburne said Mr Scott’s ability to mix European and Māori concepts and weave them into something beautiful was unparalleled.”

I must be sick today as I agree with Tuhoe on this one as the Historic Places Trust description is pure drivel.
Have been to this visitors centre and it is a boxy crap heap which only deserves the bulldozer.
Bring it on.

Johnboy

Komata

What on earth happened? One minute it was blue, white and ‘National’; it even had a Kiwi; the next? White, white and…. white! FWIW, DPF, common courtesy says that it is ‘good manners’ to to advise your ‘clients’ in advance of a change (even in business) and in this instance you haven’t. Disappointed really, especially as there is no ‘onsite’ advice as to ‘why’ or anything to help your hitherto-faithful readers navigate the new pages. Not even a greeting to welcome us, and no Kiwi either (I’ll miss him). In a word ‘Unimpressed’ ; we deserved better.

Manolo

The daughter of Hugo Chavez, the former president who once declared ‘being rich is bad,’ may be the wealthiest woman in Venezuela, according to evidence reportedly in the hands of Venezuelan media outlets.

Johnboy

mikenmild

There was no need to contrast their names with those of the VC winners (who are forgettable in your eyes).

Not forgettable in my eyes, Maggy. I doubt there are too many here who could name them all without looking it up. I just contrasted their memories. Perhaps an even starker contrast would be the attention paid to those executed in comparison with the many thousands completely forgotten today.

mikenmild

Johnboy

The new KB is light years ahead of the old one Milkey! You could keep on posting from your starship for yoinks. Just remember if you go fast enough you can get to 24,130,000,000,000 comments before we can say Milkey who? 🙂

Stars And Stripes

“The mother of murdered toddler Nia Glassie has been recalled to prison after authorities became concerned that she was was “a risk to the community after breaching her parole conditions”.
“It was not specified what those breaches were.”

I have it on good authority she was spotted in Noel Leeming looking at whitewear with a keen eye on clothesdriers.

Northland Wahine

wiseowl

It’s a conspiracy.
While everyone has been distracted Tourism NZ has come out and said it is trying to attract more muslim tourists.
Some guy on the radio saying we need a network of places to bang heads on floor.
Madness.

mikenmild

It is a change for the better.
The purging of religions influence over the majority of us has to be slow and incremental. We are dealing with conservatives here mike .
Parliamentary prayer and the God Defend New Zealand crap should be the next to go.
Maybe if we forced them to change to God and Allah we could purge such nonsense from our secular society quicker.

Johnboy

“Parliamentary prayer and the God Defend New Zealand crap should be the next to go.”
Agree Griff. I can’t wait till stupid old David Carter throws off that dreadful moth-eaten religious item he wears when he’s pretending to be Mr Speaker! 🙂

mikenmild

Goose quills, Johnboy, not seagulls.
When I started work, all those decades ago, we had the latest technology – computers monitors with the classic green screens that were so bloody awful to look at – in a large room full of metal desks and cigarette smoke.
It was the 80s of course, so walk shorts and grey shoes were fashionable.

pentwig

Jack5

Radio New Zealand, the taxpayer-owned radio station that is expanding to become a state national internet hub, has an article on Donald Trump today by one “Phil Smith”.

No further description of who “Phil Smith” is except this at the bottom:

Phil Smith is a journalist who has wasted his adult life revelling in the entertaining minutiae of American politics and culture. He once shared a lunch of rare bison steaks with Jimmy Carter.

As a reader, I jump to the conclusion that “Phil Smith” is an experienced American political reporter. However, the email contact address provided, “Phil Smith – @piripismith” starts a trail to the Waka Experience Trust, where there is one Piripi Smith, a “traditional navigator”.

This can’t be right. If you click on the address on the Radion NZ site, it leads to a Twitter address, and looks to be that of a New Zealander.

mikenmild

Jack5

Thank you. That would have been helpful at the bottom of the Radio NZ piece, Milky. Presumably he lives in NZ.
Epistemology and viticulture – an interesting mixture. In other words, a local version of Omar Khayyam.

Johnboy

nasska

Johnboy

They can be quite frightening women when they decide they want to rape you.
If they cook you a nice breakfast in the morning it somehow seems to reduce their crime.
Specially if they want you to stay for lunch and dinner as well! 🙂

David Garrett

Don, I can absolutely confirm that we cannot avoid our past…Mine is rather useful as a warning to my kids about the Net though…I say “Look what got dredged up from that long ago…and the Net didn’t even exist then” Not sure how much it sinks in…

Don the Kiwi

Jack5

Everyone is quiet and refined on Kiwiblog so far tonight – even Griff on his second favourite topic, cannabis. Do you get the sense we’re all aware that a bunch of web layout folk, DPF, mates of DPF, and various MSM airhead-experts on blogging, are scanning Kiwiblog over our shoulders to rate the new blog design as we chat?

Kea will go squawking crazy in the layered comments when she/he gets out of the blog slammer. And could Red have coped?

Reid

Do you get the sense we’re all aware that a bunch of web layout folk, DPF, mates of DPF, and various MSM airhead-experts on blogging, are scanning Kiwiblog over our shoulders to rate the new blog design as we chat?

The objective of every interface is to be invisible and respond to stimuli the same way your mind does when you command it.

Jack5

Jack5

The disinformation campaign to promote Land Wars Day, continues.

In the Christchurch Press an editorial says of the wars:

They drew enormous numbers of soldiers to an outpost of the British Empire.

Crap! These were small campaigns for the British Army, tiny compared with many of their wars in the empire and elsewhere. No top-line regiments such as Guards or Highlanders were sent to New Zealand. Sometimes considerable parts of the British forces ranged against Maori were Royal Navy bluejackets and marines.

You can see the way the propaganda is going to go. These were wars between the “British” and Maori. Downplayed will be the parts played by pro-British tribes and by colonial forces such as von Tempsky’s Rangers.

sooty

DPF. Can we have more room between the uptick and down tick buttons, at least the same gap as between down tick button and reply. For us that use tablet. At least the report button is out of the way now. I use to hit that reqluarly before. I gave up worrying about that.Thank you.

mikenmild

David Garrett

Really Milky? I beg to differ… I used to sit right behind the fraudulent old tart…she used to say a lot of things sotto voce, so the Hansard reporters couldn’t pick it up…”the Maori holocaust” was said ON the record…

mikenmild

I understand the furore was caused by a speech she made. The actual words were:

Do you consider for example the effects of the trauma of colonisation? I know that psychology has accepted the relevance of PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder).
I understand that much of the research done in this area has focussed on the trauma suffered by the Jewish survivors of the holocaust of World War Two. I also understand the same has been done with the Vietnam veterans.

She then went on to say:

What seems to not have received similar attention is the holocaust suffered by indigenous people including Maori as a result of colonial contact and behaviour.
The Treaty of Waitangi Tribunal made such a reference in its Taranaki Report of 1996 and I recollect what appeared to be a ‘but our holocaust was worse than your holocaust’ debate. A debate I must add, I do not wish to enter.

mikenmild

David Garrett

Prove what? All you need to do is say I am wrong, and you have met the woman..I am saying I very much doubt that is the case…

Just Google “Tariana Turia Maori holocaust” Milky..her speech in 2000 is there in full…to be fair it is the entire experience of colonization that she refers to…but she returns several times to “the invasion of Maori lands”…that can only be a reference to the Land Wars…she also talks plaintively about the succour offered to Jewish holocaust survivors and compares it to the lack of same offered “the Maori victims of colonization”

mikenmild

I think she contrasted the two in a deliberate way to emphasise the wholesale destruction of Maori society post-contact. My only quible is that I think using the term ‘holocaust’ implies a genocidal intent. Europeans did not intend to wipe out Maori, indeed, they probably thought they were doling them a favour.

David Garrett

Jack5

Talking about “holocaust”… As far as genocide and brutality go, little beats Tariana’s Taranaki Maori tribes’ butchery of the Moriori people of the Chatham Islands. Enslaved many survivors, too, until well after the Treaty of Waitangi.

Maggy Wassilieff

stephieboy

Another refresher from John Oliver as to why Trump’s election campaign is continuing to turn to custard . From Obama founded ISIS ,to I was being sarcastic , then backed tracked on that ,where he claimed the statement was “not that sarcastic, to be honest with you.”

With yet another high note of the elections are going to be rigged not forgetting second amenders might consider taking Hillary Clinton out ,