Yes and no. Reread sequence's response. He's way more eloquent then I am and brings up stuff that I don't.

Wed May 07, 2003 12:46 pm

sliquid

Joined: 30 Oct 2002
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Location: Kansass City

Re: Racism vs Race-Hatred: An important distinction

emynd wrote:
Simply put, in my view of it all:
- White people expressing a prejudice against minorities is "racism."
- Minorities expressing a prejudice against white people is NOT "racism."
- Minorities expressing a prejudice against other minorities is "racism."

What do you mean by white people?

"White people" are not a race.

How come this doesn't seem to be as big of a problem in the rest of the world as it is here in America?

Wed May 07, 2003 12:48 pm

Nope

Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Posts: 1916

emynd wrote:
Yes and no. Reread sequence's response. He's way more eloquent then I am and brings up stuff that I don't.

yes, but I never said that black on white and white on black were the same

just that one has resulted from the other and eventually became not just as systematic...but systematic nonetheless

Wed May 07, 2003 12:57 pm

emynd

Joined: 13 Mar 2003
Posts: 2786

RandomSurge wrote:
yes, but I never said that black on white and white on black were the same

just that one has resulted from the other and eventually became not just as systematic...but systematic nonetheless

I would agree with this.

Though I still think the distinction between "racism" and "race hatred" is an important one if just for the sake of understanding the situation.

Wed May 07, 2003 1:06 pm

Dee

Joined: 19 Jul 2002
Posts: 7872

To say that the REAL problem is class and not race is a ridiculous concept.

As someone who's been raised a poor white boy, I can say that if I ever told blacks I knew growing up (<intentionally avoiding the "I have a black friend" syndrom) that really, they weren't being treated any worse than me since we were both poor, I'd get the shit beat out of me.

Race is NOT a way of avoiding discussing class conflict. the issues with race in this country are pervasive. As a poor white boy, I would never claim that I had it harder (with subjects regarding predjudice) than a black man of ANY income. Because regardless of MY income level, and regardless of THEIR income level, they still can't call a cab in NYC.

Wed May 07, 2003 4:29 pm

Wish Sammich

Joined: 13 Apr 2003
Posts: 426
Location: Seattle

Do we define race here based strictly on physical characteristics?

Wed May 07, 2003 4:39 pm

Dee

Joined: 19 Jul 2002
Posts: 7872

Race is a social construct...so yes, as a general rule.

Wed May 07, 2003 4:40 pm

SneepSnopDotComCOCKRING WRAITH

Joined: 01 Jul 2002
Posts: 3087
Location: Wisconsin

Simply put, in my view of it all:
- White people expressing a prejudice against minorities is "racism."
- Minorities expressing a prejudice against white people is NOT "racism."
- Minorities expressing a prejudice against other minorities is "racism."

I didnt read anyone elses posts because I think most of you are really very smart people, really. That being said sarcastically... Here is my thing...

You can't fucking say that. haha.
Minorities have been given a beautiful gift... they have been fucked over consistently by white people... They can either perpetuate this by shooting the racism back, or they can transcend it in a christ-like manner. If they turn the other cheek, history is on their side... white people have no unity, it's all theoretical... blacks have a unifying power based solely on the fact that they have been fucked with...

In the long run, white people will slowly fade away with tears and real apologies as we collectively become more intelligent and filled with true empathy while the minorities, strong through the fight, take over the world, and rightly so... we have yet to pay for our evil deeds... and if the minorities empower themselves intellectually and transcend racism altogether, our day of apologizing for real will come.

But, that will never happen unless they collectively laugh and utterly mock the entire notion of disliking someone based on their race for any reason.

Racism and race hating is a retarded distinction. That's the same as me saying I like peanut butter and jelly sandwhiches, but jelly and peanut butter sandwhiches are nasty.

As long as you, or anyone else allows this "distinction", racism will never end... and us whiteys will win. In fact, to perpetuate this distinction is beneficial to every white bastard on earth... so keep it up baby! We love ya!

Wed May 07, 2003 6:06 pm

KrangTHE ORC BREATH

Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Posts: 811
Location: NSW, australia

This discussion shouldn't even exist.

Wed May 07, 2003 7:53 pm

Dee

Joined: 19 Jul 2002
Posts: 7872

Krang wrote: This discussion shouldn't even exist.

Thats exactly the attitude that prevails in this country, and its the exact attitude that results in the rift in our society growing larger.

Wed May 07, 2003 7:58 pm

sleeklegend

Joined: 05 Jul 2002
Posts: 807

djdee2005 wrote:

Krang wrote: This discussion shouldn't even exist.

Thats exactly the attitude that prevails in this country, and its the exact attitude that results in the rift in our society growing larger.

agreed.

Wed May 07, 2003 7:59 pm

KrangTHE ORC BREATH

Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Posts: 811
Location: NSW, australia

djdee2005 wrote:

Krang wrote: This discussion shouldn't even exist.

Thats exactly the attitude that prevails in this country, and its the exact attitude that results in the rift in our society growing larger.

I dont mean in our society this discussion shouldnt exist. I mean society should be in a way for there to be no need of this discussion. =/

Wed May 07, 2003 8:00 pm

Dee

Joined: 19 Jul 2002
Posts: 7872

Ahh. In that case, I concur completely.

Wed May 07, 2003 8:01 pm

sleeklegend

Joined: 05 Jul 2002
Posts: 807

Krang wrote:

djdee2005 wrote:

Krang wrote: This discussion shouldn't even exist.

Thats exactly the attitude that prevails in this country, and its the exact attitude that results in the rift in our society growing larger.

I dont mean in our society this discussion shouldnt exist. I mean society should be in a way for there to be no need of this discussion. =/

Hell yeah...

what I just said, just on a different post.

Wed May 07, 2003 8:03 pm

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