St. Basil, Hexaemeron, Homily 9: Those who have written about the nature of the universe have discussed at length the shape of the earth. If it be spherical or cylindrical, if it resemble a disc and is equally rounded in all parts, or if it has the forth of a winnowing basket and is hollow in the middle; [1693] all these conjectures have been suggested by cosmographers, each one upsetting that of his predecessor. It will not lead me to give less importance to the creation of the universe, that the servant of God, Moses, is silent as to shapes; he has not said that the earth is a hundred and eighty thousand furlongs in circumference; he has not measured into what extent of air its shadow projects itself whilst the sun revolves around it, nor stated how this shadow, casting itself upon the moon, produces eclipses. He has passed over in silence, as useless, all that is unimportant for us. Shall I then prefer foolish wisdom to the oracles of the Holy Spirit? Shall I not rather exalt Him who, not wishing to fill our minds with these vanities, has regulated all the economy of Scripture in view of the edification and the making perfect of our souls? It is this which those seem to me not to have understood, who, giving themselves up to the distorted meaning of allegory, have undertaken to give a majesty of their own invention to Scripture. It is to believe themselves wiser than the Holy Spirit, and to bring forth their own ideas under a pretext of exegesis. Let us hear Scripture as it has been written.

You can knock off all of that Scripture, Pope, bishops, fathers and Saints business. The point is maybe they held the opinion but that doesn't mean anything to us as Catholics. This topic has absolutely no religious significance at all except maybe to distract from the True one.

God would not have created the Flat Earth if it didn't matter. You are still here.

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.I have already gone through that video in great detail but you're not paying attention..If you won't read what I post why should I keep repeating myself?.As I said 3 weeks ago, about my post 3 months ago:.

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I did reply to questions about this video, with the people walking down the stairs and the measurement from Miramar Beach to Anacapa island. .At the start, it begins with a very important inaccuracy, where it has the Camera Height at 3 feet. This is obviously false. You can easily see that the camera is on the sandy beach with rocky pebbles, high above the surf line. The camera might be 3 feet above the sand, but that place on the sand is at least 8 feet above the water level of the ocean, so the camera height is more like 11 feet, not 3 feet..For the next 2 minutes, the video uses this fake beginning as a basis for drawing conclusions, but they're all fake because it started with a wrong elevation..At minute 2 he could easily have had a helper hold a long stick vertically standing at the water's edge (in surveying it's called a Philadelphia Rod - see insert pic) going up to the line of the horizon, and then go measure how high that is (or read the markings on the rod). He doesn't do that because it would show that the camera's height is much greater than the 3 feet that he erroneously claims it is..At 2:47, without explaining what's going on, he suddenly shows footage shot from the top of a hill somewhere and has, "I will compare with this image from 560 ft elevation view." Pause the video at minute 3:00 and pay close attention to the low point of the island on the right side, between West Anacapa and Middle Anacapa. You can clearly see the land of the islands coming to a low point and briefly touching the water line, which is the small channel between the two islands. This is the portion of the shot that he eliminates in a few seconds by scrolling up....Then, to compound his error, at minute 3:13 you can see how he scrolls up the picture to eliminate the lower portion of his view, cutting off the bottom part of the island that you could easily see a few seconds before, and he pretends that's the water line viewed from a higher elevation at the beach. But it's not. It is his cropped picture that cuts off the part you could see plainly a few seconds before, at 3:00. Then the cropped picture wiggles up and down for all to see, and at at 3:32 he labels his arbitrary image "View from 560 ft. elevation" when it's not that at all. He just isn't showing the bottom 300 feet of the island!! He has falsified his own view to make it appear to support his bias. It's so obviously a deliberate distortion..Then he says, "LET'S TRY SEA LEVEL" at 3:40, and starts walking down to the water's edge. At 3:57 (pause it to see) halfway down to the water, the top of a surfer's head is touching the horizon line at the distant island's base. That is the point at which the camera is 5 feet above the water, because the surfer's head is 5 feet above the water's surface -- he is standing on his surfboard with his feet at the water's level and he's about 5 feet tall. .At 4:03 he puts his camera down on the sand and you can easily see how the standing surfer out in the water is now with his head up against the sky. The surfer did not rise up, but the camera did lower down, and this lower angle of view changes the appearance of the surfer against the water. You can't see the water surface anymore because it's hidden by the breaking waves..Then at 4:15 the same surfer is shown falling off his surfboard, so you know it's not fake. This is real footage, which is nice to see..At 4:29 the wave washes up toward the camera and you can see the top of the water. The camera is obviously higher than the water's surface (mean sea level) or else you wouldn't be able to see the surface. The fact is, as the waves rush up the sand, the water moves uphill, and the furthest extent of the water's edge is ABOVE sea level by a few feet. This is always the case on the shoreline with breaking waves..If he put his camera down at sea level it would get ruined by the water covering it up, and we wouldn't be seeing any picture at all. Like a periscope on a submarine that isn't quite out of the water yet or gets splashed by a wave..All the way past minute 6 the camera shows views of the water's surface out to sea, proving that the camera is at 3' elevation, or even higher. But he pretends it's at 0, which is clearly false..At 6:00 to 6:08 a surfer paddles past the camera's line of sight, with his head and body entirely below the water's surface in the distance. You would not be able to see that if the camera were at water level. The camera is above water level by at least 3 feet, perhaps 4 feet.

.I have already gone through that video in great detail but you're not paying attention.

Neil "Have You Measured the Angle of the Quarter Moon Yet" Obstat tries to refute the video due to the camera being 3 feet off the ground when the *Horizon* (get it? horizontal) remains perfectly flat and level from any and all attainable altitudes.

.I have already gone through that video in great detail but you're not paying attention..If you won't read what I post why should I keep repeating myself?.As I said 3 weeks ago, about my post 3 months ago:..But you're not paying attention,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,.

ANOTHER BAD FRUIT OF THE FLAT-EARTH POSITION: THE INABILITY TO LEARN.

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My dear Neil,For the sake of readers with little time, I will make things simple. But also because they are simple.Even if we bring the camera up 11 feet as you claim, there is still about 500 feet which we can see and shouldn't see. All you can do is claim that the video is fake, with no reason for claiming so, other than you don't like the conclusions it makes.I'm disappointed that this is the best you could do being in the paid employment of the North American Space Agency.

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"As for whether or not I work for NASA, I'm sorry, but I fail to understand what that could possibly have to do with anything" Neil Obstat, 08-03-2017

.I have already gone through that video in great detail but you're not paying attention..If you won't read what I post why should I keep repeating myself?.As I said 3 weeks ago, about my post 3 months ago:..But you're not paying attention,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,.

ANOTHER BAD FRUIT OF THE FLAT-EARTH POSITION: THE INABILITY TO LEARN.

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The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government “space agencies” show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.

The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it.

The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense.

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The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government “space agencies” show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.

.No, the horizon does not always appear flat all around the observer..

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The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it.

The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense.

.No, the natural physics of water is rather to conform to the contours of its container..

The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high.

P-brane does an excellent job of explaining how the vast plane of earth meets the eye of the observer, no matter the altitude.

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.What's really cute is how the "moon" is illuminated on the top, when the sun is over to the left..And Australia is below the moon, so the guy looking up from Australia would see the dark side of the moon when it should be a full moon...Then above the moon they've added little planets and even a nice galaxy for good measure. Neat, eh?.Flat-earthers can be very creative!!.

.What's really cute is how the "moon" is illuminated on the top, when the sun is over to the left..And Australia is below the moon, so the guy looking up from Australia would see the dark side of the moon when it should be a full moon...Then above the moon they've added little planets and even a nice galaxy for good measure. Neat, eh?.Flat-earthers can be very creative!!.

God Created the Flat Earth; we don't take any credit for the Flat Earth.

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