Climate change, and DDT: Monckton’s inconvenient and inaccurate history

Monckton’s grotesque errors of history suggest that he’s probably wrong on the science, too, considering that his studies were in the classics, and not science. If he can’t get stuff right in his area of expertise, it’s almost impossible that he’d be right far afield.

I don’t know Coren’s other work, but the way he turned his microphone over to Monckton in the interview below is disturbing, with no challenge given to wild flights of imagination Monckton took, posed as history. The Kennedy administration wasn’t that long ago; Rachel Carson’s book Silent Spring had a 40th anniversary edition that is still on the shelves. Bald eagles, the national bird of the United States, climbed off the endangered species list just a few months ago with accompanying dozens of news stories that explained DDT had nearly wiped the species out.

Coren slept through all of that? Monckton thought no one would remember the accurate history?

Monckton’s appearance on Michael Coren’s program on CTS (a Canadian network) obnoxiously slapped my browser. You may recall I had checked out Monckton’s speech to an unquestioning group of students at a religious college in Minnesota. At about the same time, he showed up on Coren’s program, saying much of the same things he’d said earlier in Minnesota.

Rachel Carson persuaded President John Kennedy on her knowledge of oceans; it was the good science that hooked him. Illustration from Audubon Magazine: CARSON AND CAMELOT, Illustration by Joe Ciardiello

Have you ever interviewed a truly pathological liar? Hoaxsters tell falsehoods, and the truly pathological ones keep exaggerating as they tell, testing the waters to see how much the audience will believe. I think Monckton is one of those.

Consequently, the falsehoods grow grander as the hoaxster finds the audience gullibly lapping up the milk of human imagination.

Take this example, Monckton in part 5 of his interview comedy routine with Coren. Coren doesn’t question any of the confabulations Monckton comes up with, apparently having been born after 1975 and never read much history of science or the enviornmental movement, and apparently having somehow missed the dozens of news stories in recent years on the recovery and removal from the Endangered Species List of the bald eagle and brown pelican, and recovery of osprey and peregrine falcons (does Canada have Google? does Coren know how to use it? does Coren have no producer, no fact checkers?)

Nor, apparently, does Monckton have any ability to control his ability to say patently offensive and absolutely impossible things to blame others. Monckton blames Jackie Kennedy for killing 40 million kids with malaria; never mind that he’s wrong, he pushes on to call President Jack Kennedy “her foolish husband;” never mind that he’s got all his facts wrong, he proceeds to call William Ruckleshaus “an environmental nincompoop”:

[At 2:50 of the video]

LORD MONCKTON: I think it is particularly sad that what is essentially a scientific question has been politicized. In Britain it’s different. All parties have sort of gone along with the bedwetting theory. They’ve all said, “Oh, yes! We’re doomed!”

The Conservative Party — which is nominally the right-wing party, though now it’s kind of center-left, really — it has come out and said — in fact it has produced the stupidest document on climate change that I’ve ever seen, it’s even stupider than Al Gore’s film; it’s unbelievable how half-witted it is. It isn’t universal that it’s right-left.

Certainly it is true to say that the left are more enthusiastic about this, worldwide, than anyone else.

But, you see, then, they’ve got it wrong before. Let’s take the DDT example, where 41 years ago, Jackie Kennedy read Rachel Carson’s Silent Spring. And the thesis of this book was that because of DDT and other chemicals we were pouring into the atmosphere, the world was going to be so grossly polluted that every species other than humankind would die, and then eventually we would die, too. And it was all going to be terrible.

From where did Monckton get the idea that Jackie Kennedy read Carson’s book, and that she initiated action? Famously, President Kennedy took a question about DDT in one of his popular afternoon press conferences. He said he had read the book, and that he was looking into it.

President Kennedy did in fact task his science advisers to check out the book. The President’s Science Advisory Council (PSAC) reported on May 15, 1963. They said Carson’s book was accurate, and that the government should act immediately to investigate harms from synthetic chemicals including DDT.

Carson didn’t write anything about ‘pouring chemicals into the atmosphere.’ One of the great concerns among wildlife biologists was the damage done in water — where, it turned out, DDT was quickly absorbed into all living things, which then multiplied the dosages of DDT several million times as it climbed up the trophic ladder (food chains). The problem with DDT is that it doesn’t go into the air, or water, but is instead rapidly absorbed by living tissue. DDT sprayed in an estuary is taken up by first-level producers, including zooplankton, phytoplankton and plants, as well as any other creature that happens by. As these producers are consumed by creatures higher up the food chain, the dosage multiplies geometrically.

Carson didn’t whine as Monckton claims she did. She coolly and calmly laid out the facts. The facts were, and are, that DDT and its sister compounds pose serious dangers to living things.

And Jackie Kennedy read this, and shivered, and plucked at the sleeve of her husband — who was then President of the United States — and said: “Look. You’ve got to do something about this! We’ve got to save the planet from DDT!”

Isn’t that a remarkable coincidence? Jackie Kennedy’s husband was president of the United States! He always had such cute cuffs to tug on, too. Monckton’s infantilizing the First Lady and President of the U.S. lacks the charm Monckton must think it adds.

Jackie Kennedy was a smart and capable woman, a journalist who went on to a long and successful career as an editor at a major publishing house. Monckton’s disparaging of Mrs. Kennedy here is uncalled for, untoward, and ugly — and factually wrong.

I’m sure that if the president’s wife told him to look into an issue, he did. She was not in the habit of being frivolous or silly. There is film of President Kennedy at a press conference, being asked by a reporter if there is any official reaction on Carson’s book (hardly the pillow-side sleeve tug Monckton imagines); and anyone can check the presidential papers to see the report from the science advisors. As we know now, Carson was right. The Nobel winners and others on the PSAC agreed. Incidentally, they won their Nobels for hard research, not by writing letters to the editor of an publication from an organization that won a Nobel and then getting a sycophant to manufacture a replica Nobel, as Monckton claims with his dime-store “Nobel pin” (like a man whose mother refused to buy a deputy sheriff star for his cowboy games).

In his efforts to make the story entertainingly memorable, Monckton gives us the equivalent of passed gas in a crowded elevator.

But, Dear Reader — Dear God! — brace yourself:

And so Kennedy appointed a friend of his who was an environmental nincompoop, to take charge of the Environmental Protection Agency.

How can we know Monckton is lying? Well, John Kennedy died in November 1963. The Environmental Protection Agency took form seven years later, in the administration of Richard Nixon, the man Kennedy defeated for the presidency in 1960. John Kennedy was dead, and his younger brother suffered assassination, too. Monckton’s English — U.S. history is not his forte.

So, EPA did not exist in John Kennedy’s life. Unless Monckton claims Kennedy came back from the grave and wrested the pen from Nixon’s hand, it would have been impossible for Kennedy to appoint anyone to be in charge of the Environmental Protection Agency.

To whom is Monckton referring as director? William Ruckelshaus, the old Republican political operator? Monckton’s slip of the grip on history is so severe that it can’t be restored. He’s so far out in fantasy land it’s difficult to tell.

But let’s take the next line:

Result: Unfortunately; they banned DDT.

Ruckelshaus was Director of EPA when DDT was banned. Ruckelshaus signed the documents. Monckton could only be referring to Ruckelshaus. To make his case for DDT, Monckton must bend time and all of politics.

And then, Monckton, of all people, refers to Ruckelshaus as a “nincompoop.” Um, Monck, this is one of the heroes of the Saturday Night Massacre, one of America’s better lawyers of that time or any time, a committed man of reason and solid environmental credentials. If Ruckelshaus is an environmental nincompoop, Monckton is a lobotomized environmental pisant with a bad attitude. (Regardless whatever he may be, Monckton has a bad attitude.)

We confront the reality here that Monckton is not engaging in any discussion about science, where simple facts of history got wrong can be subject to swift and gracious correction. He’s off in Faux Propagandaland, making up nasty things to say as he bulldozes through the facts and truth, pushing them out of the way of his rant. Facts, history and science be damned!, Monckton froths. This is a crusade against the evils of socialism, and Monckton will carry on the war even when there are no socialists and no evil! So what if they are not socialists! Monckton will label them so and that will be that!

Oy. Monckton’s so far out in left field at Wrigley that he’s in the bar across the street.

This was copied worldwide, because the left got going. “Aha! We can show who’s boss! We can ban DDT!”

Nope, sorry. Sweden banned DDT, and then the U.S. banned DDT from use around babies, and then in 1972 the U.S. banned use of DDT in agriculture. Most European nations eventually followed with tighter regulations. History shows, however, that DDT was never banned in most of the world. In the U.S., sadly, DDT manufacture for export continued until 1984 (to the day before the enactment of the Superfund bill), and DDT manufacture continues today in India and China.

Not only did the left not ban DDT around the world, no one did.

Not content to merely rape history and stuff its bloody body in a garbage can, Monckton then invents a whole new class of evil for environmentalists to do:

And of course a lot of them were in league with people who were producing chemicals other than DDT, which they wanted to replace, so they were making money out of it the usual — unfortunately the usual money-packed story, and inglorious story.

Got that? He says Kennedy, though dead for nearly a decade, conspired to ban DDT so he could get kickbacks from companies who manufactured competing pesticides. And so did Ruckelshaus, one of the few men who stood up to Richard Nixon and refused to fire Archibald Cox. Monckton says Ruckelshaus was crooked, and taking kickbacks from chemical companies.

So, they banned DDT. Now, DDT is, in fact, safe enough you can eat it by the tablespoonful — I wouldn’t recommend that, but you can do that, it won’t hurt you if you do. It’s completely harmless to humans. It’s completely harmless to birdlife and animals.

In 1975 a committee of the House of Representatives asked for a history of EPA. Among other topics, the DDT restrictions were discussed — here’s a 312-page document showing which harms were of greatest concern, and what was the science that backed the analysis of those harms. It’s 312 pages that Monckton hopes you will never read. He probably hopes it doesn’t even exist anymore.

By 1975 all the harms of DDT worried about by Rachel Carson 13 years before had been confirmed, with the slightly happy news that DDT is not a potent human carcinogen, but a weak one.

The only thing it’s harmful to is the anopheles mosquito, which is the vector that carries the falciparum parasite that causes malaria. And to the aedes egyptii mosquito, which carries the yellow fever parasite. It’s fatal — and really fatal — to both of them.

DDT acutely kills fish, birds and bats. Had Monckton done his research, he’d have seen the plea from the U.S. Army to keep DDT available for poisoning bats in old, dilapidated barracks. (EPA did not keep that use.) DDT manufacturers bragged about how deadly the stuff was, in trying to make a case that it should be left on the market for unrestricted use. 40 years later, wild populations of bats are beginning to recover from collateral poisoning from DDT. Bats fall into that branch of the animal kingdom known as mammals, where humans also fall. Generally, if a poison is toxic to one mammal, it will be toxic to all others if dose is altered to consider body mass. But also, if a substance is carcinogenic to one mammal, it will be cancer-causing to other mammals, too.

In mosquito control DDT is problematic. It kills mosquitoes, but it also kills all other small creatures. Especially, it kills those things that prey on mosquitoes — other insects, birds and arachnids, fish and small animals especially. Since mosquitoes recover from DDT rather quickly, and predators take much longer to recover, this means an outdoor dose of DDT will result in a dramatic population explosion of malaria-carrying mosquitoes in a few weeks, as the mosquitoes recover more quickly than their predators do.

Monckton appears to think DDT is selective to mosquitoes. DDT is a broad-scale killer, not selective in any way we know.

And the guy who invented it, who was German, got the Nobel Prize, because before DDT was introduced, a million people a year around the world, nearly all of them children, were dying of malaria. It was one of the biggest killers.

Paul Muller won the Nobel in Medicine in 1948 for discovering that DDT kills insects. But he was not the guy who invented the stuff more than 50 years earlier. Once again, where it’s easy to check facts, Monckton just doesn’t get the facts straight.

Before DDT was introduced, and for a long time thereafter, malaria killed about three million people annually. When WHO conducted its eradication campaign, malaria deaths fell to about two million per year by the middle 1960s. Once DDT use in that campaign was stopped, malaria death rates continued to fall to about a million a year today. Malaria incidence and deaths rose in the 1980s when the malaria parasites themselves developed resistance to medicines used to treat and cure malaria in humans.

Flat out wrong again. The World Health Organization (WHO) undertook a very ambitious program to eradicate malaria in the 1950s. By the mid-1960s it was clear the program could not work: In Africa, overuse of DDT (in agriculture) bred mosquitoes resistant to and immune to DDT. Worse, in most of Subsaharan Africa, governments were not stable enough to have the discipline required to mount an effective campaign against the disease, knocking down the insect carriers briefly, then furiously treating humans with the disease so that when the mosquitoes returned there would be no pool of human infection from which to draw the disease. This is all detailed in one of those fascinating New Yorkerprofiles of the legendary Fred Soper, by Macolm Gladwell. For most of the world, we’ve never been to the point of wiping out malaria, and in those places where we’ve been successful in wiping out the disease, DDT was not the chief weapon.

When the left got in on the act — it’s exactly the same people: the Environmental Defense Fund — you know — people who have got hundreds of millions of dollars in the bank! Goodness knows where they get it from! Foreign governments, possibly! I don’t know! I haven’t looked. But it’s certainly an alarming question: Are the environmental movements being backed by China or India so they won’t have to compete with us for natural resources because we will have shut our industry down. It’s a question that the security services, I hope, are looking at, because it certainly worries me.

Monckton at his most scurrilous, and most distant from the facts. Are environmental groups funded by China? No. In any case, the environmental groups don’t have nearly the funding of the pro-DDT groups, with their corporate funds. While we’re thinking about it, we should think about which side China would intervene on, were China to follow through on its historic reluctance to do anything about global warming. Who is running around the world claiming we need to do nothing, and should do nothing? Christopher Monckton.

If Monckton is worried about who is funding him, I’m sure the CIA and FBI would be happy to let him tell them about his well of money he uses to frustrate the United Nations and treaty obligation of a hundred nations. (Bill Dembski? Are you still alive? Why don’t you turn Monckton in — you’ve still got the number of Homeland Security, don’t you?)

It’s a wonder to me that Monckton can figure out which part of his foot goes into his shoes first, in the mornings. He has such a flair for getting the facts exactly wrong, and then getting into a dudgeon about his own error. Monckton: Not only wrong, but 180 degrees precisely wrong.

But there was the Environmental Defense Fund, and it came in and said, “Right, we’re going to press for a ban on DDT.” They succeeded.

The number of deaths went back up, from 50,000 a year to a million a year, and it stayed there for 40 years, while the likes of me were saying, “This is killing millions. It ought to be stopped. What on Earth is the World Health Organization doing?”

And eventually, just three years ago, on the 15th of September, 2006, Dr. Arata Kochi of the World Health Organization said, “Right.” He said, “In this field, politics usually predominates. Now we are going to take a stand on the science and the data.” He ended the ban on DDT and declared that once again it would be the frontline of defense against the mosquito.

Monckton’s game is worse than blaming the messenger — he’s blaming the heroes.

COREN: 40 million people died . . .

MONCKTON: Children!

COREN: . . . because Jackie Kennedy read a silly book.

MONCKTON: Yep.

COREN: . . . and her foolish husband bought into it.

So, Coren’s bought Moncktons rude infantilizing of the Kennedys and all the false claims that went into it. Anybody know how old Coren is? Was he even alive in 1962? If not, can he read? Does he? Carson’s book is out now in the 2002 40th anniversary edition, still available for anyone interested in the facts.

MONCKTON: And then, the entire international left came in on the act. And that was what did the damage.

And so the problem is that you have this political faction which likes to show who’s boss. That’s the characteristic of the left. They are instinctive interventionists. And I know this is a little much of a political point, but it is unfortunately true that it was they who pushed the DDT ban. And it was they who — to this day! — will say that David Suzuki and others who advocated this ban — and David Suzuki will tell you today that he regards this as one of the most successful campaigns he ever conducted. That killed 40 million people, nearly all of them children. And it took 40 years before this decision could be reversed. Why? Because we had to wait until all the people responsible for the original decision had either retired or died, and were no longer in the way of doing the decent thing.

COREN: Because they thought it was harmful to people, to animals . . .

MONCKTON: They didn’t think any such thing. It was purely to show who was boss. There was never any scientific case for this.

Well, it’s in Canada, after all, so Monckton feels obligated to take a swipe at the most prominent local scientist who urges environmental protection. David Suzuki was probably active in Canada on pesticide regulation, but of course he played only a tangential role in the U.S. action, which is what Monckton complains about here. Suzuki was no personal confidante of the Kennedys. Suzuki was 27 in 1963, probably completing graduate school. Monckton’s swipe at Suzuki is almost completely gratuitous.

This is where the serious charges come. Monckton accuses Carson, and all environmentalists, of ignoring human conditions. He accuses us — he accuses you, since you were not active to stop the DDT ban — of being mass murderers, because, he claims, DDT would have been a safe and effective way to fight malaria, which has killed about a million people a year worldwide over the past 40 years.

Many nations in Africa did have governments capable of conducting the regimented campaign necessary to successfully eradicate malaria — and in fact, most of the nations in Subsaharan Africa didn’t participate in the campaign at all. Soper’s goal was to knock down mosquitoes for at least six months, and in that time cure malaria in every human. When the mosquitoes came roaring back — as everyone in the program knew they would — there would be no pool of malaria in humans from which the mosquitoes could get infected. The program was to break the chain of transmission required for the life cycles of the malaria parasites. But that meant that governments had to have health care systems that could accurately diagnose malaria, and often which malaria parasite, and complete a cycle of treatment needed to flush the parasites out of the infected humans. In the end, many entire nations simply did not participate.

Malaria fighters were well aware of the race they were running: Mosquitoes breed quickly, and consequently evolve quickly. WHO’s malaria fighting teams understood it was a simply matter of time before mosquitoes became resistant or immune to DDT. If that happened before malaria could be eradicated in a country or region, the game was over. Resistance to DDT in mosquitoes started showing up as early as 1948 in Greece; by the 1960s several populations of mosquitoes were highly resistant. (Today, every mosquito on Earth carries at least one of the two alleles that produces DDT immunity — and some carry as many as 60 copies of the two alleles, leaving them completely unaffected by DDT.)

Industry didn’t get on board with the campaign. Over-use of DDT out of doors by agricultural interests speeded the evolution of DDT-resistant mosquitoes. Industrial use competed against, and ultimately frustrated, health care use of DDT.

Gladwell describes how WHO abandoned the eradication campaign with DDT as the key element, in the middle 1960s. This was done not as a reaction to Carson’s book, but because the mosquitoes showed resistance. Malaria fighters couldn’t build medical care in several nations at once while racing agriculture to use DDT. WHO turned to other methods of fighting the parasites.

It’s important to note that WHO cannot dictate to nations what they do, nor did WHO ever “ban” DDT. There are a lot of claims that there was pressure applied by environmentalists to get DDT use stopped, but the facts remain that DDT manufacture for export to Africa continued in the United States for more than a decade after DDT use was stopped in the U.S. Manufacture of DDT moved to Africa and Asia — India and China make the stuff today. Any African nation who wished to use DDT could have gotten it cheaply and in great quantity.

Second, there is no indication that DDT could have saved any more lives. Simple mathematics tells the story: The WHO eradication campaign reduced world-wide deaths from a high of 4 million annually, to about 2 million annually. Each nation that eradicated malaria did so by raising incomes and improving the housing of poor people, making effective screening from mosquitoes the central part of the campaign. Also, nations copied what the U.S. had done prior to the discovery that DDT killed insects: They institute improved public health campaigns to educate people how to avoid being bitten, and to diagnose the disease and deliver knock-out pharmaceuticals quickly.

But, since heavy DDT use was stopped, the malaria rates continued to fall until recently. Over the last decade, annual deaths numbered under a million, lower than when DDT use was at its greatest. It’s impossible to square decreasing death rates with Monckton’s claim that DDT is a panacea against malaria, still.

Finally to this point of DDT and malaria, we have a conundrum: Those nations who still use DDT, still have epidemic malaria. If, as Monckton says, DDT is a miracle weapon against malaria, those nations that use DDT should be malaria-free. If we think through the process, we see that malaria eradication is a much greater task that simply killing mosquitoes, and too complex to be cured simply by poisoning Africa and Africans.

Monckton ultimately tries to reduce the complex science, medical, geographical, political and education issues of malaria to a political question. He accuses everyone who ever worked to reduce DDT use of being part of an out-of-control, monolithic and unthinking “left.” It’s a popular idea among loud talkers from the right, including Monckton, Limbaugh, Rockwell, Hannity, the Hoover Institute, and most people who resist the science of global warming. Monckton’s crude revisions of history away from accuracy might be justified as proper propaganda, if there were a noble political goal behind his work. No noble goal can be discerned, latent or patent.

Many on the western left, in North America and Britain, urged tighter controls on DDT, especially once it became clear that the stuff was dangerous. They got this from a long tradition of conservation in the U.S., for example, and not from any particular political orientation. Fact is, the radical, socialist left who took over Russia and created the Soviet Union, who dominated Eastern Europe after World War II and who created the Peoples Republic of China, have always been unfriendly toward environmental protection, including the banning of DDT. There was no ban on DDT use in the Soviet Union, nor in China.

Conservation, and the fight against pollution, is a product of western, capitalist nations. It may be surprising news to a few, but the American conservation movement was led by people like John D. Rockefeller II, and Laurance Rockefeller, the Vanderbilts, and other people who were wealthy enough to have time to look around to see what was happening to America’s wild resources — or who appreciated the value of wilderness and conservation and the role it played in making America great. Monckton is turning his back on one of the greater achievements of American capitalism, the strong desire to preserve the wild, and have clean air and clean water, for the health and benefit of all citizens. Monckton completely shuns this great heritage of western civilization. It’s quite astounding.

Ultimately, the decisions to reduce the use of, and now to phase out DDT (under 2001’s Persistent Organic Pesticides Treaty (POPs)) were scientific decisions. In the U.S., the National Academy of Sciences wrote about DDT early on, noting (with an egregious typographical error) the great utility and benefit DDT provides to humans, but finally weighing the harmful effects and finding that they outweigh the benefits. The number of assessments of DDT by august scientific and policy bodies is impressive, each deciding DDT had to go: The 1958 U.S. Forest Service, the 1963 President’s Science Advisory Council, two federal courts in the U.S., the Food and Drug Administration in 1969, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency in 1972, two more federal appellate courts ruling on the appropriateness and scientific soundness of EPA’s rule, the National Academy of Sciences, Congress under the Resource Conservation and Recovery Act (RCRA, the Superfund Act), and finally an international treaty between nearly 100 nations. At each step science was the driving force. At most steps, an absence of sound science would have made the ruling go the opposite way.

But all that is legal “mumbo-jumbo” to Monckton. All that science is for naught, to Monckton’s classics trained mind. What Monckton wants, Monckton should have, damn the facts, damn the courts, damn the scientists, damn history.

It’s really astonishing to add up the error Monckton piles on.

It’s the same with global warming. There is no scientific case for this, either. It’s the same people, trying to assert themselves in the same way. They have succeeded, yet again, in getting the entire classe politique . . .

COREN: I wish we had another hour.

So, with Monckton dead wrong or hallucinating on DDT, we should now trust him on global warming? No, we should not trust him on any issue.

Monckton will not understand those issues, either. They are even more complex.

[…] Monckton and Milloy, you recall, are two of the people promoting the shameful and erroneous attacks on Rachel Carson. Monckton stepped up the insanity, blaming Jackie Kennedy for malaria in Africa. […]

Monckton not only tells THE TRUTH!! ( even if some don’t like it) but he explains it very well. Just watch the youtbue video where he is interviewing Greenpeace member on the streets of Copenhagen! Woman was like a “stunned mullet”!

Not just that Monckton is dead wrong about easily checkable facts of history, but dead wrong on the science of DDT, too — is there any indication that he’s right about warming? Certainly not here.

Monckton’s strongest suit appears to be calling scientists “bed wetters.” I don’t regard that as a powerful argument, nor a serious challenge to the science. It indicates a great moral lapse, perhaps. Is there any indication that he’s right? Where?

In my dealing with puffed up political types, I’ve learned that those who lie about small things will tell bigger lies as the stakes increase; and those who will invent fantastic lies unnecessarily probably have lost their grip on reality (is really necessary for him to impugn the reputation of Jackie Kennedy?).

So, you think a guy who lies to you about science and his own field away from science should be trusted about science in other areas where he is less an expert? Why?

And Monckton is wrong about Global Warming how? You seem pretty good at attacking his knowledge of history which seems to be your weak point too. To come to the conclusion that because he is innacurate on one point of history that therefore his stance on Global Warming must be wrong as well, is frankly idiotic. You did such a good job at attacking him on this subject but not once did you provide any evidence that contradicts his views on Global Warming, for which it would seem you can’t make a case.

The Potty Peer seems to have confused Kennedy with Ronald Reagan (who appointed Anne Gorsuch) or George W. Bush (who appointed Exxon-Mobil [or was it Peabody Coal?]). But he should be excused–he is an idiot.

I’ve seen several people refer to past glaciations as proof against human impact on climate. This conclusion ignores basic physics as well as modern observations and climate modeling. If Precambrian bacteria-like critters could have an enormous impact on climate, why can’t humans have a measurable impact?

What a terrific analysis. Line by line. Lots of hard work to do that. But this is a PR battle, not science and logic. So far this is the best tool to use, but I too am baffled by Monkton’s appeal. Perhaps humans will go to great lengths to seek out the spokesperson for the message they want to hear.

Gosh, Ed, you really should learn to do some research before draining your bathtub water onto the Internet. And are you so desperate for traffic (especially since you covered this topic before with “Monckton will lie about anything” on Oct 10th 2009), that you have to make this story a “sticky” at the top, or is it intended as flypaper?

Ed writes: “From where did Monckton get the idea that Jackie Kennedy read Carson’s book, and that she initiated action?”

Highbrow seminars brought in “great guns” to provoke “great thoughts” for a select group of friends and administration officials, in the irreverent view of Arthur Schlesinger’s wife, Marian. “It was rather self-conscious though harmless,” Marian said, “sort of like Voltaire at the court of Frederick the Great.” Guest lecturers included noted historian Elting Morison on Teddy Roosevelt (“Not so,” TR’s daughter Alice Roosevelt Longworth periodically murmured in a stage whisper, a malicious glint in her eye) and philosopher A. J. Ayer on logical positivism (“But St. Thomas said,” Ethel Kennedy twice interjected before her husband barked, “Drop it Ethel, drop it”). The sober atmosphere collapsed entirely during Rachel Carson’s talk on “The Male Screw Worm” when Treasury Secretary Douglas Dillon’s giggles caused the gathering to dissolve in laughter.

Seems pretty clear that Jackie Kennedy was well aware of Rachel Carson’s work, since the Kennedy’s invited her to the White House to present it.

You teach history, right? You should have been able to research this but I think your anger gets in the way.

One thing you don’t consider. Monckton was part of the Margaret Thatcher administration, and privy to all sorts of information that neither you or I would ever know about, nor would we have the resources to find out.

As you correctly point out, Jackie Kennedy was ‘a real force to be reckoned with and a woman of great judgment.”

She also telephoned and wrote to Johnson, Carter, and yes even Nixon to offer advice, insight, and thanks. In fact Nixon invited her and the Kennedy children to the White House in February 1971

While we don’t have a record of all her conversations with Nixon available at the moment, don’t you think it the least more than a bit plausible that she would have spoken to president Nixon about DDT and what she learned from Rachel Carson during her presentation at the White House or at other opportunities?

William Ruckelshaus, the administrator of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, made the decision to ban DDT in 1972. After hearing Rachel Carson’s presentation at the White House, and knowing that Nixon was poised to do something about DDT, do you really believe that Jackie would have stayed silent on the “silent spring” issue?

It seems Jackie and Nixon go way back. Here’s a letter from Jackie to Nixon in 1954, well before Silent Spring, Nixon’s presidency, and EPA.

In the past 730,000 years, there have been (5) to (8) [depending on source],ICE AGES {and THAWS}! That fact alone, should tell you that, man can NOT control Global climate. FACT: The world population is increasing by approx (62) Million people per year,(from (3) Billion in 1938 to (6) Billion in 2008 [70 years]. In another 70 years, the population will soar to (12)Billion, [unless some intermediate factor is employed]. Earth’s population, livestock and agricultural needs, need WATER to survive! (70%) of the Earth’s FRESH WATER is stored in the Antarctica! THIS global warming period, will provide the FRESH WATER in the interim term. Then the magic of Electricity (from renewable energy sources), will not only desalinate the waters of the oceans, but will also be available to be sent to areas of the world which do NOT have enough, (thereby controlling the level of the oceans because of all the ice which has melted). [Ice may be looked upon as expanded water, so that it will occupy less space in the oceans, when it is melted]! Eventually, eons from now, electricity will be used to create,(synthesize),
water. NASA MAN CAN NOT CONTROL CLIMATE

It’s generally considered good practice to avoid wrestling with pigs, because once one is rolling in the mud with the pig, people have a difficult time telling for whom to cheer. The International Association of Referees refuses to referee such events, because they can’t be done fairly.

The way I heard it, Monckton would have been allowed to testify had he done so under oath. He refused. Read what he said in this piece, consider how the cross-examination would have gone, and you’ll know why.

Regardless the oath issue, there would be no good reason to give such a prevaricator a soap box. He’s clearly not qualified to testify on such issues — try applying to him the rules used in tort cases for experts, for example (see the rule in Daubert). He can’t qualify.

Why on Earth would anyone want to give Monckton a platform? Why do you hate humanity so?

I’m afraid your personal dislike of Monckton is clouding your judgement. The man has been begging someone to debate him on the issues of AGW but to date all are shying away including the unprecedented refusal of the Democrats to allow him appear as star witness for the Republicans recently at a congressional committee.
The pen can be a cowardly weapon at times.

Accuracy is a virtue. Let the facts tell the story. Cap and trade is still working on the exchanges in Europe and the U.S. Monckton can’t get his facts right about history — seriously, what are the odds he’s right about climate, an area well beyond his studies and expertise?

If he’ll lie about the small things, he’ll lie about big things. If you aren’t concerned about his veracity in small things, you won’t be concerned about his veracity in the big things. How much do you care whether we get the policy right?

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