I try to avoid buying anything made in China, would prefer to spend my money in NZ or Taiwan at least

Why? What do you have against the Chinese?

I'd reckon more carbon stuff is made in China rather than Taiwan. Lots of brands that have their Aluminium stuff made in Taiwan have their carbon stuff made in China, I'd say the Chinese are pretty good at it. I'd rather ride a Chinese made carbon frame than something that's been battled together in a shed by some she'll be right mate kiwi bloke, like some pipe dreamers wish lolvanti's were

there can be difference between name brand Chinese made stuff, and an unbranded knockoff.

I try to avoid buying anything made in China, would prefer to spend my money in NZ or Taiwan at least

Why? What do you have against the Chinese?

I'd reckon more carbon stuff is made in China rather than Taiwan. Lots of brands that have their Aluminium stuff made in Taiwan have their carbon stuff made in China, I'd say the Chinese are pretty good at it. I'd rather ride a Chinese made carbon frame than something that's been battled together in a shed by some she'll be right mate kiwi bloke, like some pipe dreamers wish lolvanti's were

there can be difference between name brand Chinese made stuff, and an unbranded knockoff.

musta wrote:They are about $950NZ shipped I think. Not bad for a full carbon fibre frame

I'm all for carbon fibre, but why is it so important to you? You know it only offers any kind of advantage over other materials if it's done properly.

You're now at the price of a Santa Cruz aluminium hardtail frame near full retail, GST included. -29 or 650b.-Good geometry (Will actually ride nicely, designed by people who ride). -Same weight as a carbon bike from a few years ago (Hey wait, isn't that likely what this unbranded frame will be?). -Strong (Your internet bike will be strong too, if random unbranded backdoor factory dude felt like cracking skulls to get it done properly that day)

Go ahead though, play russian roulette with some unbranded backdoor internet bike to feel good about telling people you got a deal on teh crabonz