Maggie_Luna:I honestly hope that was a poorly written article because I'm amazed the two survived to their thirties by it's description. Wouldn't you remember you were parked near a boat ramp and which way the water was? That seems like an important detail. Um Darwanism?

Oddly enough, according to the Sheriff, Donnie Smith, one of his own deputies has driven into the ocean there as well. I don't think you can overlook Maine fog. Knowing the girl, this isn't a question of darwinism. This is simply a terrible tragedy and initial panic that doomed them. You can't really open the doors to get out because of the pressure, and if you fail to roll down your windows right away, and you have power windows, you may never have the chance to get out.

Maul555:I am really having a hard time understanding how they died... Oh, I know that she drove down a boat ramp into a large body of water, but I mean, how could anybody let THAT kill them? Unbuckle yourself, roll the windows down if you can... if you cant, wait for the pressure to equalize enough to push the doors open and then go.... But these peeps decide to make a phone call instead....

This guy did the same thing. Just sat these on the phone until the water took him. It's bizarre to think anyone would just sit there and die.

The two men made eye contact, but Laseke didn't say anything."He had the phone to his ear, but he was obviously in shock," Geiger said.

This is always possible -- windows sometimes short out even when not submerged. But just for the sake of analysis know that the 12V DC system in a car is actually somewhat difficult to short out with water. It can certainly be done, but it's also possible for a car to be sitting at the bottom of a lake for 1 week and still have a fully functional electrical system.

Car manufacturers need to come up with some safety feature that will help people get out of cars that go splash. I am thinking explosive bolts on the doors! Or better yet, a lever in the door that when pulled disengages the window drive motors and allows the windows to be cranked down manually.

loudballs:Officials summoned a volunteer diver from the Jonesboro Fire Department, who found the car about 175 feet off the boat ramp

I call B.S. on this being an accident. Nobody takes a minivan 175 feet into the water unless you're doing 90 mph and launch that vehicle as hard as you can in a direction certain to bring your doom. Perhaps it's a really crass thing to say, as the death is made more tragic because one woman was pregnant. Add up the previous lost-in-the-woods episode with the stupidly ridiculous idea that they called for help but didn't have the awareness to roll down the f-ing window or open the door. Also, the article glosses over this, but

a warden picked them up and brought them to their vehicle, which was parked at the park.But Stiner then drove toward the boat ramp instead of in the other direction toward Machias, Smith said.

So the unsaid thing here is that apparently the warden told them where to drive and the women drove the complete opposite direction at (apparently) full speed down a dead end road in the thickest pea soup fog of your nightmares.

Okay, maybe the electrical system went out the moment they impacted the water or perhaps before they came to their senses. Yes, I know they'd have to wait for the car to fill with water before opening the door, but it's not like these were 2 ten year old kids. These mom-types of 37 and 38 years old with a f-ing minivan and probably a purse full of stuff and a van full of something hard enough to crack a window. A minivan. With large cavernous interior that would take a little extra time filling with water compared to a compact.

"They called on the phone that they were in the water and the car was filling up. Then the phone went dead,"

I'd be interested in hearing the 911 call."Yes, hello, our car is filling with water. We're going to drown. Help.""Open the door.""What?""Have you tried the door?""We thought we'd just sit here until help arrives."

The tides here in this area are 23-26 ft. The water here has a lot of force and can easily move a car from 20-30 feet to the bottom of the ocean quickly. We even have these awesome sink holes that can swallow a car whole.