Posted by Joshua on Wednesday, July 27th, 2011

Correction: Buti was NOT expelled from a mosque

Scooby said: Dear Josh,

Your title “Buti expelled from mosque” is extremely misleading. The clips that you show are from MONTHS ago, when the protests started to spread to Damascus. They occurred AFTER the Friday prayers were finished and when some people rushed the pulpit shouting anti-government slogans. All of the clips that follow took place in the week following that sermon, back in March.

Dear Joshua, The video with al-Buti is an old one, it dates back to the second Friday of demonstrations (March 25). Al-Buti was not expelled from the mosque, he just fled because he didn’t want to appear as a supporter of the demonstrators (which he’s not, of course). His comments on the demonstrators “who do not know how to pray” was broadcasted on TV before the Friday sermon on March 25 (either Thursday 24 or Friday morning). He was commenting on the first demonstration in the Umayyad Mosque on Friday March 18. Best, Thomas

Thomas Pierret writes:

Dear Joshua, The video with al-Buti is an old one, it dates back to the second Friday of demonstrations (March 25). Al-Buti was not expelled from the mosque, he just fled because he didn’t want to appear as a supporter of the demonstrators (which he’s not, of course).

His comments on the demonstrators “who do not know how to pray” was broadcasted on TV before the Friday sermon on March 25 (either Thursday 24 or Friday morning). He was commenting on the first demonstration in the Umayyad Mosque on Friday March 18. Best, Thomas

Dear Scooby and Thomas, many thanks for this correction. I was duped by this well crafted video forgery below. There are many misleading and falsified videos going around. I have frequently criticized the main stream press for not doing due diligence. Now I have been burned. Mea culpa. I have frequently used Buti as a measure of the “Sunni street.” He is a much respected Imam. I know he has many critics today because of his pro-stability stand, but for him to be expelled from a mosque would be big news and a turning point, of a kind. Thanks for correcting me. I count on the collective knowledge of this discussion board. Merci]

al-Buti – Syria’s senior Sunni cleric – was ejected from his mosque for speaking out against the uprising. He said: “Most of the people who come to Friday prayers and then go out to demonstrate, do not know how to pray.”

Syria forces kill eight in Kanaker raid – rights groups – BBCSyrian security forces have killed at least eight people in a raid on the town of Kanaker near the capital, Damascus, rights groups say…. The head of the opposition National Organisation for Human Rights (NOHR), Ammar Qurabi, said the dawn operation had also resulted in some 250 arrests.

International journalists have been denied access to Syria, so the BBC is unable to verify reports. Government forces are said to be intensifying their campaign ahead of Ramadan, when the opposition says it will launch daily demonstrations against the government. The BBC’s Owen Bennett-Jones in neighbouring Lebanon says events such as those in Kanaker are no longer unusual…

This is video of a few tanks and soldiers entering the town of Kanaker according to activists. On the tape they call the soldiers dogs and state, “They are liberating the Golan.”

LONDON (Reuters) – The popular upheaval in Syria is growing bolder and the cracks in the establishment are getting deeper — yet there is a long and bloody road ahead if protesters are to unseat President Bashar al-Assad and end his family’s 40 years in power.

The price of stalemate is rising daily: sectarian mayhem, a growing protest movement and a faltering economy, with no sign that Bashar and his minority Alawite clan are considering an exit strategy after four decades in power.

Yet so far, there is no sign of a tipping point that would assure success for protesters, as in Tunisia and Egypt, where millions took to the streets to topple autocratic leaders.

The barbaric massacre of three Syrian families from the Alawi tribe in the city of Homs, 165 kilometers to the north of Damascus, shows that the demonstrations against the Assad government has been derailed from its legal and legitimate course.

These three Alawi families, who had no political affiliation whatsoever to the Syrian government, were killed in the most callous manner by the Salafis of the city of Homs.

Following the incident, some of the Alawis outraged by the murder attacked the Sunni mosques of the city, causing clashes with the Salafis.

The slaying of the three families also triggered a wave of resentment and enmity among the Shiites and Alawis against the inhumane acts of the Syrian Salafis so much so that it is feared that a religious civil war might engulf Syria.

Syria’s Alawis, which constitute 15 percent of the country’s 25-million population, never had any role in the country’s power structure prior to the 1970 coup de tat, staged by Hafez Assad.

This community, subsumed under the Shiite faith, has always been subjected to the Salafis’ harassment and abuse. A great number of them fearing Salafis’ night raids were forced to migrate to the heights of Jabal Horan in Southern Syria during the Ottoman rule.

The coup mounted by Hafez Assad, Syria’s former Prime Minister, introduced the Alawis into the power structure; they, however, never sought revenge against the Salafis.

DAMASCUS, July 26 (Xinhua) — The Syrian cabinet endorsed late Tuesday the general elections bill as part of the government’s reform program to tamp down more than four months of unrest that swept the country since mid-March.

The endorsement came during a session chaired by Syrian Prime Minister Adel Safar.

The bill aims to regulate the election of parliament and local council members and to ensure the integrity of the electoral process. It also stipulates the formation of the Supreme Commission for Elections to manage the election process.

The move, announced by the official SANA news agency, came two days after the government endorsed a multi-party bill that would allow a political pluralism in the country under the rule of the Baath party for 40 years.

The bill still needs endorsing by the parliament which is scheduled to convene on Aug. 7, before being enacted as a law in a presidential decree, the report said.

The Supreme Commission for Elections is made up of five judges and enjoys full independence. Judicial sub-committees will be formed in each province, which will be affiliated to the Higher Committee and work under its supervision….

Minister of Local Administration Omar Ibrahim Ghalawanji said the law included 71 articles and the most important amendment stipulates for transferring the supervision of elections from the administrative authority to the juridical authority.He indicated that the elections in Syria were always monitored by the Interior Ministry while the Ministry of Local Administration was responsible for supervising the local council elections.

The Minister added that the draft law provides for forming the Higher Committee for Elections, in addition to forming juridical sub-committees in the provinces and each sub-committee includes three judges to supervise the eprocess at the electoral centers.

Minister Ghalawanji said the draft law stipulates for establishing electoral centers in the provinces and cities whose population exceed 100,000, in addition to allowing those who got the Syrian citizenship by the Legislative Decree No. 49 to vote and run for the local council membership.

The draft law allows all the will-be-formed parties according to the new political parties law to present their candidates individually or in collective lists, the Minister added.

He said the elections will be conducted publicly, honestly and neutrally in secret rooms and there will be electoral committees to monitor the elections and candidacy committees to receive and examine the candidates’ applications.

Minister of Justice Judge Tayseer Qala Awwad said the law included new articles on prosecuting manipulation of the electoral process.

The new law requires taht the ministries of Justice, Interior and Local Administration to work on automating the elections.

Minister Qala Awwad added that the new law follows the open-list electoral system,

Israel’s government has largely kept quiet as anti-government protests swept the Arab world in recent months. While some Israeli officials have predicted the Assad regime will fall, President Shimon Peres’ comments marked the first time an Israeli leader has openly called for the end of the Syrian regime.

Meaningful Political Dialogue Can Only Take Place with an Accounting of the Deaths and Disappearances
Raja AbdulKarim, 25 July 2011
For Syria Comment

Unless the Government Carries Serious Inquiries into the Hundreds of Deaths, Arrest and Cases of Torture, no Meaningful Political Dialogue Can Take Place in Syria

The Syrian Government cannot expect to see its political reform steps taken seriously – supposing it genuinely wishes to reform – when it fails to carry any serious and independent inquiry into the hundreds of deaths, arrests and cases of torture reported by political activists in the last four and a half months.

One of these recent cases is that of Shadi Abou Fakhr, a young cinema producer, who “disappeared” last week while walking in the central area of Shaalan in Damascus and whose case is widely reported and circulation on Facebook and other social media websites.

The author of these lines knows well Shadi. He is probably one of the most brilliant Syrians of his generation. In a recent discussion with him, this young man in his early thirties talked extensively of how he and many men and women of his generations saw the future of their country. Shadi talked of citizenship, of a secular state, of the rule of law. He also talked of his hope that when Syria would get over its revolution it would set an example for neighbouring Lebanon and Iraq that remain plagued by sectarianism.

Of course this sounds very idealistic; but can revolutions be carried without such idealism?

Shadi is no Salafist – he is a Druze; he is not pursing the agenda of any foreign country – he never lived abroad and speaks no foreign language; and he is a pacifist.

In spite of all this he has been arrested, as thousands of his countrymen, in a country whose Government prides itself in the security it supposedly provides to its population; a Government that obviously does not consider in any way that it is its responsibility to carry an independent and serious inquiry in all these cases.

For weeks the Syrian Government and many of his supporters have been putting blame on the opposition for refusing a dialogue; “those who put conditions for dialogue refuse dialogue,” the Government says.

Of course no one must be fooled. Even if some segments of the Syrian opposition refuses dialogue, large segments of it do want it but at a certain number of conditions: the withdrawal of the security services from the street and the end of the shootings on demonstrators; the liberation of the thousands of political prisoners; and the enabling of peaceful demonstrations to take place.

As a matter of principle, putting conditions for dialogue is not in itself a refusal of a dialogue per se, and the Syrian Government knows that better than anyone else. Doesn’t it put a condition of its own for negotiating with the Israeli Government, i.e. the recognition of Syria’s sovereignty on the whole of the Golan Heights? The vast majority of the Syrian population does, actually, support its Government in that stand.

It is necessary to understand at this stage that as long as no serious efforts are made to force the Syrian authorities to carry independent and serious inquiries into all the deaths and arrests that have occurred in the last few months, the Government’s reform claims cannot be taken for serious and no meaningful political dialogue can take place.

Syrians on all sides of the political spectrum need to know what happened to the 1,500 people that the opposition claims have died since the beginning of the unrest; they need to know where are and what happened to the 15,000 or so, including Shadi Abou Fakhr, that have disappeared; why no independent media is allowed into the country; and, in case we get no answer for that, why doesn’t Syrian state TV provide live broadcast of the hundreds of demonstrations that take place every week across the country in the same way that it covers the pro-Government demonstrations.

Many continue to believe the Government’s story of armed gangs and Salafists disrupting the efforts for political reforms and killing civilians across the country. These people, as much as the opposition, have an interest in the Government carrying, with the help of the families of the victims, a transparent and serious inquiry on the arrest, disappearances and deaths of every single one of the country’s sons and daughters.

TEHRAN—Iran’s Islamist government may be public enemy No. 1 at the White House. But in the halls of the International Monetary Fund a few blocks away, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is being hailed as an economic reformer. In the face of mounting international sanctions, his government has embraced over the past seven months what the IMF calls one of the boldest economic makeovers ever attempted in the oil-rich Middle East.

Tehran has cut price subsidies on most energy and food products since December in a bid to shave about $60 billion or more off the government’s expenses annually. The move has …

Please be more scrupulous in what you are presenting and how it is being read.

Think everyone should know, the article “Syria in the throes of religious war” is from Iranian media, with all the lack of objectivity one would expect from them.

“These three Alawi families, who had no political affiliation whatsoever to the Syrian government,”

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! One of them was so high up in the shabiha hierarchy, Maher Assad would have carried his bags for him.

Alawite store owners who rented to the Sunni traders in Hadara street are more than a little peeved off at the shabiha scum for trashing and burning their stores. That’s what you get when you arm undisciplined militias.

This is intolerable! and its now to the point to go after Shekhna Al-Bouti.

It is very disturbing to see Al-Bouti leaving his Mosque this way, such an respectful person he is, all his knowledge of Islam and the jurisprudence knowledge. But for these “peaceful demonstrators” there only one thing, he’s against the demonstrations which are destroying our now country! All what he said was that on Friday prayer, people inside where calm and praying, people outside where waiting (not praying!) for people to go out and to lure them to demonstrate.

We are the people and this is the NOT al hiwar they wanted. They want chaos and only chaos. Chaos will come on their heads!

targeting sheikh Al Buti like that and unleash the propaganda dogs against him from the beginning of this week thanks to Al arabya and Aljazeera, who published the misleading article saying that hi issued fatwa says its ok to bow for Bashar photo ,here is the article in Arabic

what you expect from a religious men who hear and read the news on alarabya Aljazeera wisal safa and every other oil TV station? to go and check if the news were correct or not? No they will react just like what they did ,I do not blame them I blame the media war and KSA

attacking Al Buti is actually not personal ,they want to attack what he represent , tolerant beautiful and spiritual Islam , its obvious ,they want to send a message to all Muslims that the al booty lost his legitimacy ,just wait and see al qaradawi will issue a fatwa to delegitimize him ,not only Hillary and shimon peres can take legitimacy from Bashar , Aroors have power as well .

Al Buti made a stupid comment about people who attend prayers in Syria. How does he know most people do not know how to pray? Is he omnipresent? He barely knows what is going on in his own backyard given the reception his ignorant statement received. He is just an old man in circumstances he has never encountered and he has lost his way.

LATTAKIA, HOMS, (SANA) – Four martyrs on Tuesday were escorted to their final resting place after they were targeted by armed terrorist groups in Homs province and in Jisr al-Shughourin in Idleb province.
Solemn processions were held in honor of the four martyrs as they were covered with the Syrian flag and carried up on shoulders while the music of “Martyr” and “Farewell” was played.
The people of Lattakia paid the last honors to the martyrs Second Lieutenant Mohammad Ali Ahmad, born in 1969 in Deir Mama, Misyaf in Hama, and Second Lieutenant Baseem Waheed Mihrez.
The martyrs were killed in the collective massacre committed by the armed terrorist groups in Jisr al-Shughour.
The two martyrs’ families stressed keenness on preserving Syria’s stability and security, expressing readiness to sacrifice every precious thing for the sake of the homeland.
In Homs, the martyrs Chief Warrant Officer, Nidal Mahmoud Mazloum from Hama and Conscript, Ahmad Jamil Aswad from Idleb were also laid to rest, escorted from Homs Military Hospital.
A number of the martyrs’ relatives stressed that the martyrs sacrificed their souls for the sake of defending the homeland in face of the conspiracies hatched against it.
R. al-Jazaeri / R. Raslan/ H. Said

We don’t need Qaraqawi to support our fight for democracy any more ,now we have Zawahiri, good for us.

Zawahiri asserts common cause with Syrians
By Joby Warrick
Al-Qaeda’s newly installed leader Ayman al-Zawahiri is claiming solidarity with Syria’s pro-democracy movement, telling protesters in a new video that they are part of a broader revolution to liberate Muslim lands.
Zawahiri, in a seven-minute monologue posted to Jihadist Web sites on Wednesday, accused Syrian President Bashar al-Assad of being both a corrupt tyrant and “America’s partner in the war on Islam.”
“The time of humiliation is gone, the time of deceit is over, and the rule of the thieves is finished,” said the Egyptian-born terrorist. A translation of his comments was provided by SITE Intelligence Group.
Al-Qaeda has struggled to adapt to epic changes underway in the Middle East, as Arab populations have ignored the terrorist group’s recipe for violent jihad in favor of peaceful protests. In the weeks after the start of the Egyptian uprising, Zawahiri issued statements seeking to link the movement to al-Qaeda’s quest for a restored Islamic caliphate.
In the new video, Zawahiri contends that the Assad betrayed the Arabs with his “abandonment” of the Golan Heights—the highlands occupied by Israeli in the 1967 Arab-Israeli war—and says the Syrian leader has served since that time as a tool of the United States and as “Israel’s border guard.”
“Washington today seeks to replace Assad, who sincerely protected the borders of the Zionist entity, with another regime that squanders your revolution and jihad in a new regime that follows America, takes care of Israel’s interests and grants the [Muslims] some freedoms,” he said.
Zawahiri, wearing a white turban and his trademark spectacles, expressed regret that he couldn’t be with the Syrian protesters in person.
“I would have been amongst you and with you,” he said, but “there are enough and more mujahideen and garrisoned ones.”
By Joby Warrick | 06:35 PM ET, 07/27/2011

“…………But in the halls of the International Monetary Fund a few blocks away, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is being hailed as an economic reformer. In the face of mounting international sanctions, his government has embraced over the past seven months what the IMF calls one of the boldest economic makeovers ever attempted in the oil-rich Middle East……….”

And this is what I said to Iran Supreme Leader:

6- We are concerned about Iran future policies and leadership:

It is no doubt that there is one man that can be credited with having Iran on the map. He is Mahmood Ahmadinejad. Now, I know you have internal problems with him sometime and his people. But I am not going to be involved with Iranian internal issues. But I tell you, I honestly wish he can run for a third, a fourth and a sixth time for Presidency of Iran. Sorry but that is my and SNP personal opinion. We love Iran of Ahmadinejad [and of the Supreme Leader Khemeni], it is a power house team no doubt. But what comes next is worrying, is it going to be another Khatami, who favors a cup of English tea with The Queen of England? Hope not. Hope Iran will learn from the set of strategies of past years and institutionalize it as national Policy to be inherited by the new team.

It is very evident that Shia Moslems are far more mature and tolerant people, and that is why they are so much more scientifically, culturally and morally superior than say, Sunni Moslems. I mean, looking back at Kuwaiti Sunni Moslems giving nearly 70 billion to Baathist Saddam Hussain war against Iran, martyring a million Moslems in that 8 years long war, you would think Iranian Shia will never ever touch a Sunni Moslem with a ten foot pole. Wrong, when U.S. Puppet Saddam invaded Kuwait on behest of the United States (everyone familiar with the ambassador ploy) Shia Moslems of Iran shown their nobilities, rather than avenges, they sheltered and fed Kuwaitis and never turned one back. Amazing Islamic good will indeed, from true Moslems. Now I am not going to list the unworthy deeds of Arab Sunni on Shia, because I do not want Iranian to say that I am stirring Shia-Sunni trouble. I am not, just stating what I see different from growing up in Syria.

But for one, in comparison, Kuwaitis Sunni Moslems exacted revenge on Iraqis and to this day refuses to let go with Saddam Compensation fund that Iraqi badly needs. When in fact, if there were a true International Justice Body, Iraqis should be receiving compensation for Kuwaiti transgression, in propping up, and supporting Saddam with billions of Dollars and helping him on the International arena.

You’re right about Ahmadinejad’s putting Iran on the map as a regional mover & shaker. And if the Iranians go nuclear, that will be the biggest feather in his cap. But Mahmood, like all mortals, will sooner or later let slip this mortal coil, to use a shakespearean line. And, in anticipation of that unhappy day, here is Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s Obituary >>> http://www.scribd.com/doc/24684118/Mahmoud-Ahmadinejad-s-Obituary#fullscreen:on

If we notice the moderate statement of Al-Azhar clerks, we realize how the Wahabists are feeling angry ….Wahabists are out of date ,they are trying to control Syria , they are fighting a respectful clerk like Dr.Albuti because he is using his mind (and not his instinct )for the benefit of Syria and Syrians…….Aaraour terrorist fellows are temporary situation which will be defeated by the moderate Sunni Muslims who refuse the Wahabii method of life and thinking…..Moderates are the majority between Sunni people in Syria ….some of them are emotionally affected of what happening now but when they will get up to see how bad the situation which has been induced by MB militia and Alqaeeda fellows (Alzawahery is supporting the Syrian people and the Syrian revolution???? and a report about that will be in Assafir newspaper according to one of its journalists)…..
Shame on these rebels to get support from all Syria enemies like Sameer JAAJAA …..Viav Syria…… Viva Dr.Albuti

Protected and guided by Allah and Imams, he rose up from a humble Jewish carpet weaving family to lead the Islamic Republic of Iran into space quest. Iran has no need for nuclear bomb, unlike Israel, it does not have insecurity issues, it does not have survival complex like Israeli who were evicted from land and their nation wiped out several times. If they need nuke, they can buy it ready made.

The conflict in Iran is not about nuke, this is a hearing, a ruse it is all about resources nothing more, oil, gas, gold and minerals. It is about pipelines and competition and control of strategic resources and its routes.

Saying that, don’t miss the fact that credit should be given to the Islamic Revolution of Iran that set up a framework and a system and institutions that allowed freely someone from humble backgrounds to rise up in Iran, to excel his country and his abilities, a truly in spirit of Islam as I studied it in Syria as a kid, which is totally absent in all Sunni Arab ruled Countries today.

Let us fight together with Israel, our Zionist brothers against all anti-Zionists…[we must assist] Israel in deporting all Muslim Syrians (also referred to as ‘Palestinians’) from the Gaza Strip, the West Bank and Jerusalem … demolish the abomination known as the Al Aqsa mosque and the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem and rebuild the Temple of Solomon.”

by Anders Breivik (from his manifesto)

While most of SC commentators love to blame Islam and the Islamist boogeyman, here is some stats: transnational terror claimed 6,447 lives (3,447 if you are 9/11 truther or think that it was an inside job) while total domestic terrorism was 26,445 between 1998 and 2005.

And this is not just SC (Landis normally loves to post pictures of Muslims praying, or women in Hijab with scary labels), but every single media outlet loathes Islam and every discussion on terrorism is auto-linked to Islam in editorials, blogs and comments are overly charged with pseudo-analysis on Islam and Islamists, it becomes very easy to miss this right-wing terror threats like Breivik. With the birth of the tea partiers, the flood gates are now wide open.

Islam, sharia, or etc… was not the core issue in Syria, people having a hard time on $3-5/day income is. Many can’t even dream of marriage or proper access to basic human rights and personal prosperity. For every Syrian that dies, I feel more and more ashamed and have lost a big part of my Syrian identity.

After the disgusting statement of Alzawahery (the first terrorist in the world according to the US officials) I think the Syrian rebels who should feel shame for this support may say Alzawhery is one of Al-Assad Shabeeha or may be he is a member in the fourth brigade ……US and the west should realize that Al-Assad government is the first line in fighting terrorism all over the world …..Israeli should not feel safe if these Wahabists has become their neighbors and if they think that Syrians under Wahabi control will be quiet the same as Saudis I tell them you are wrong because the nature of the Syrian people is not the same as Saudis and who will provide the huge financial resources to make Syrian Wahabists quiet like the Saudi ones????????

In Syria moderation is vanishing rapidly, The extremists are taking over, no matter what the government does, i see no chance of positive respond from the opposition their moderates are afraid of their extremists, The question is how long will the government and the president take to recognize that they have no partner in planning the secular future of Syria . i don’t know but i am frustrated and depressed.

(((Islam, sharia, or etc… was not the core issue in Syria, people having a hard time on $3-5/day income is. Many can’t even dream of marriage or proper access to basic human rights and personal prosperity. For every Syrian that dies, I feel more and more ashamed and have lost a big part of my Syrian identity ))

I recall his TV appearances having been right after that, which would make it impossible for him to be “ejected” or “expelled” from the Mosque because of it. Rather,that what he says on TV seems to be based on what he experienced that day. Considering the atmosphere there, his reasoning was not far fetched at the time and also a cause for him to rush out under the protection of his students, rather than be “expelled” or “ejected”. It is hard to imagine how such a thing would even be possible.

It is really funny. The USA and the west should stop attacking Syria, otherwise, they will find themselves sharing the same objectives of Qaeda leader, ops, they are already sharing his goals. The US policy makers should wake up and be careful: AlQaeda and MBs are in Syria

If the revolutionists treat ther sheiks like this,how would they treat minorities?Albouti is 80 years old,think of him as having alzhiemer ,is this your respect to your elderlies you disagree with?
وانما الامم الخلاق مابقيت
Remember that mr Ford was hosted in a mosq in Hama,and was kicked out of church in Damascus,just as historical facts.

Norman#20:
“The question is how long will the government and the president take to recognize that they have no partner in planning the secular future of Syria . i don’t know but i am frustrated and depressed”.

I am depressed as you are and I agree with you, the goverment is facing the most difficult task ever. I do not know how this mess will end. I am a vivid supporter of the secular Syria. I am a believer that under this regiem; minorities enjoyed a lot of freedom that would not be available in case MB run goverment comes to rule.

On the other hand the goverment has been drunk for many years when it comes to young university graduates. With my respect to the goverment that I totally support, they did a huge mistake and never addressed this issue, or perhaps delayed it until their famous terminology “7’ta 7’amsia”. Young university grads wants jobs, wants homes to get married, and live in dignity. This never happended and although I believe that the streets are under the control of militins, but I do not believe that all the streets are militins, I believe they are those hopeless, jobless young syrian fellows who seems to appreciate death than living a hopeless life. The goverment was indeed drunk for the need of these young fellows.

Having said all of that, I hope the goverment would control the militins part of this revolution and quickly address the need of the youth

Tunisia’s interim president has signed an order to indefinitely extend the state of emergency in place since President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali’s toppling, said a notice Tuesday in the government gazette.

Ben Ali fled to Saudi Arabia after the fall of his government on January 14 following a massive popular uprising.

The state of emergency prolonged by president Fouad Mebezaa is designed to block all public gatherings and gives the police and army authority to shoot anyone who refuses to obey orders.

Islam’s holy month of Ramadan is scheduled to start early August.

Campaigns for constituent elections, where Tunisians will pick delegates charged with drafting a new constitution, are also set to kick off soon, with the vote scheduled for October 23.

Dear NK
And you are enjoying Al Buti humiliation just because he dose not serve your purpose? That make you no better than ‘the Islamophobes/Syrian Electronic Shabeeha on this blog’ ينطبق عليك المثل القائل: «نكاية بالطهارة يبول في سرواله»

He was not humiliated, you can read Arabic can’t you ? you can go back and check what happened on Friday March the 18th (which is when this video was shot), it was the day the very first demonstration was attempted in the Omayyad mosque, those shouting were not shouting against Dr. Al-Buti because that was BEFORE he made any statements, he was merely fleeing from the mosque so he wouldn’t get caught in the middle of the “action” … you can search for videos if you want a reminder of what happened to those few poor souls on that day.

On a side note I could care less about Al-Buti, he supports this brutal regime, he is one of those we call شيوخ السلاطين, and for that he belongs in the dustbin of history, his religious views have nothing to do with that, his political ones do. Does he deserve some special status because he’s an Imam ? I thought we didn’t want to mix religion and politics, or does that depend on whether it helps the Assad gang of not ?

I am not a supporter of mr albuti but it is hard to defend the actions of those who kicked him out,this is not a good sign if you are still looking for signs of moderation in the religious opposition camp, a friend of mine laughed at the term ” moderate religious opposition” , however,what they did to albuti was not funny.
More evidence that the regime wants to use time to bring fatigue and boredom to protestors,I do not believe this is gonna work ,only meaningful steps can calm the streets.
One opposition figure agreed that a third force is the only solution to this standoff ,and since outside intervention is unlikely and unpopular,we are left with the army ,if you agree with the guy. I talked twice about the army as a solution if security deteriorates,some were not too excited about that,they prefer a division inside the army .
Are you guys still wasting time responding to a couple of clowns on SC? Every time you dignify a طرطور with a response he gets more “tartaric”.
I will have few things to say Saturday or sooner.

Luckily you don’t have to defend or detest the actions of those who “kicked” Dr. Al Buti, because the whole story is a fabrication, nothing of the like happened, I would ask prof Landis to take that post down, but clearly the damage is already done.

thanks for that ,I hope you are right regarding the fabrication as I truly respect him (and no ,not because he support Assad I always respected him even before I found my self accused of being a blind supporter) ,i have no access now to see all the videos linked ,i will do that when i get home ,I will get back to you with that .

Knowing the Syrian government’s typical habits and school of politics if u may call it.. then they will continue to do absolutely nothing. They will just keep trying to ride out the wave.. exactly the same way they did it in every single one of those hard years in early 2000s. They will keep pushing their luck and relying on the other side’s mistake. They will continue to be reactionary. Now in revolutions this can work.. as this gives opposition and demonstrators plenty of time to make mistakes on the ground and in politics.. but at the same time, recent events have taught us one lesson if any, that nothing is really impossible anymore in the middle east.. so anything can happen. But I somehow can sometimes still feel optimistic and that Syria will not fall under the realm of Saudi Arabia.. because really it boils down to this. The last battle of Nationalism/Secularism Vs. Religion.. It’s being fought here, and if Syria loses, then the model loses and we are looking at some seriously dark ages ahead.

MB should come up with a list of which sheiks are
For the sultans,and which are not,so that people know which ones should be kicked out.Or even better to have a website to report any imam who only preaches religion and dos’t incourage demonstrations,and put them on their hit list.they can always blame Alshabeha with whatever they do.The website name will be:www.reportyournonembimam.com

#25 Dear Syria No Kandahar
You said:
“If the revolutionists treat ther sheiks like this,how would they treat minorities”

I say this:
The minorities, of whom you are one, who are in charge of Syria now have humiliated elderly civilians (shown on You tube on SC before), kidnapped young girls and accused them of cosmic conspiracies, and tortured, killed and mutilated children, and men and women for speaking up their mind.

Sheikh AlBooti chose to address his opponents with disrespect.
His opponents, the revolutionists, chose to protest the insult by chanting No God but God in angry tone.
Sensing that he was unwelcom, he was hurried out.
There was no kidnapping, no torture and no murder!

You said:
“Remember that Mr Ford was hosted in a Mosque in Hama, and was kicked out of church in Damascus, just as historical facts”

I say:
On the other hand, Mutran Khouri, who is a minority, was respectfully approached for audience by Mr Ford. He was disrespectfully denied to enter the Church to be heard!

Revlon
Treating a Shiek of Islam like that is an insult to Islam ,no matter how you twist it.the man is free to give any opinion he gives.he was very careful in selecting his words and basically stating that mosques are being taken advantage of by opposition,which we all know is true.As far as the government and the opposition
Hands they are bothe bloody now,they and you have been using the knifes and then hiding on your back or in your pants and smile when you don’t use it.so where do we go from here?you want to tell us there is no blood on your hand?you did wash it we know that,and they did wash it too.so you lost your legitimousy and they lost theirs.we have to meat in the middle,we have criminals all over ,in bothe sides and we have stupidity ,so stop actingike you are Lila and the government is the wolf.and stop using Hamza’s blood as dollar bills you try to bye power with.a lot of kids got slaughtered and Hamza’s blood is as precious as Tellawi’s kids -slaughtered by you guys-blood.اللي مضيع وطن وين الوطن يلكاه

Sheikh AlBooti’s sermon was a political address.
It was writen, like Mr Khuri’s before him, by Mukhabarat.

Sheikh AlBooti, like Mr Khuri before him, failed to heed God’s advise when debating with others!

I would like to remind both of how the lord advised his prophet to debate:

God siad in the holy Quran:

16:125 Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance
An-Nahl [16:125]
ادْعُ إِلِى سَبِيلِ رَبِّكَ بِالْحِكْمَةِ وَالْمَوْعِظَةِ الْحَسَنَةِ وَجَادِلْهُم بِالَّتِي هِيَ أَحْسَنُ إِنَّ رَبَّكَ هُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِمَن ضَلَّ عَن سَبِيلِهِ وَهُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِالْمُهْتَدِينَ

3:159 It is part of the Mercy of Allah that thou dost deal gently with them Wert thou severe or harsh-hearted, they would have broken away from about thee: so pass over (their faults), and ask for (Allah’s) forgiveness for them; and consult them in affairs (of moment). Then, when thou hast taken a decision put thy trust in Allah. For Allah loves those who put their trust (in Him).

LOL…Relax Norman, take it easy man, go to the beach. Syria is full of weapon and munitions to last few decades. It was very poorly planned op and relies on erroneous assumptions. It is fundamentally flawed from beginning to end.

Syria will ends up a breeding ground for the worst of Moslem crazy terrorists that you can mobilize them, they are the easiest people to manipulate. I am happy that Syria will have a resource pool like that, eventually, with no place to go and no food on the table all over the Middle East, this is an essential step to radicalize, synthesize, and grussomize and train a Moslem Horde like army. They will all be re-indoctrinated, shown where the oil fields in the Middle East are, teach them how to scream Allah Wa Akbar louder and say go fetch it kids.

It is only a matter of months (12-18) before US/UK gets it, Libya and Syria are dry bones and hard to chew. Go after the soft, juicy meal, the real wealth is in Arabia baby, and guess who will help bring Freedom and Democracy to that unholy dump called Arabia, helping NATO, the very same people they are training now in Syria.

LOL….. I like to see those princesses fighting Jihad wars after all.

Will help NATO gets hold of those oil fields, if they will demolish Riyadh and Jeddah like they are doing Libya now? Will separate Arabia into Arab Shia areas and set up an Islamic State in Mecca, get rid of Wahabis. 12-18 months, mark my word, they will be hungry and destitute; will front the savior plan soon. LOL….. ALLAH WA AKBAR, will be shouting this next to GI JOE in Dubai, Qatar, Dammam, Jeddah and Medina. No one will come to their help. That is what god promised in the Bible for the king of the south at the end, pay back for inequity and transgression. There should not be a land that the Bible cannot be taught in it. There should not be a land where a Christian must hide his prayer or cross. There must not be a land that has no churches. If they can build Mosques in New York, then Christians must build Churches in Arabia. If Saudi girl can drive without head cover in Los Angeles, then she should do so in Jeddah and Riyadh without impunity. The women of Arabia must be set free of tyranny and Jesus NATO army will bring freedom to the Arabian women so they can know the real god.

He basically says that “even if the ruler was unjust, devious or an evildoer his subjects must stay obedient and be patient, they are allowed to advise him but if he refuses to listen then they must obey his commands”

If Buti was in Saudi Arabia and uttered such non sense, people like SNK would be calling him a Salafi, an MB, Al Qaida, Taliban (take your pick), but a Taliban shiek speaking in favor of their dictator becomes “Shiek el Islam”. what a joke.

Revlon
I don’t see any relation between Albuti and Alkouri cases,son don’t compare them.So every one reads what the mukabarat tells them now,you really believe that?.You guys should have the courage to admit mistakes once in a while to have dome credibility.did any opposition member ever admitted any mistake?
You can see that every one including Assad has been admitting their mistakes.except you guys.you humiliate your religious leaders then you enjoy watching them going to their graves humiliated,just because they have different political stand.WHY did not any opposition member so far had the balls to condem monster Alaaroor and his terrorist statements?would’t that give opposition some credibility?they are too chicken to do that,they listen to him and enjoy the fire coming from him,even if it is coming from Satan ,then they wonder why people don’t trust them?.which one deserves to be condemned modre:Albuti or Alaroor?you can’t answer.

The video you have posted is about an event that took place several months ago. NK, one of the commenters, has pointed that out already. In addition, my understanding is that Sh. Bouti was not expelled (I stand corrected of course). What happened is that when things became chaotic inside the mosque, the Shaikh’s students/assistants quickly got him out of the mosque.

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Sh. Bouti is a great scholar, but unfortunately he lost a lot of his base of students/supporters because he didn’t explicitly condemn the government’s killing of unarmed civilians. Instead, his explicit condemnation was reserved for the protest organizers and the demonstrators. Had he been equally critical of the government, people would have given him an excuse.

It’s important to note that some of the statements attributed to Sh. Bouti are being twisted and taken out of context by the media. For example, he never called the demonstrators scum (huthalah). Rather, he reserved this label for the paid agents (per the government’s narrative) who are agitating and pushing people to demonstrate.

Similarly, he never gave a fatwa allowing people to prostrate over picture of Bashar. Rather, the jest of his fatwa was that if someone is forced to prostrate over a picture of Bashar, then the person should consider the picture a prayer rug and prostrate with the intention of prostrating to God and not to Bashar. In this way, the person avoids torture and apostasy (in Islam, prostrating to anyone other than God is strictly forbidden).

Actually, according to his website (www.naseemalsham.com), shaikh Bouti, upon seeing a picture of people prostrating over a photo of Bashar, which the shaikh considered an act of clear apostasy (كفر بواح), he went to Bashar and complained about it.

It’s good to see that Sh. Saeed has many fans among the regime supporters. He had actually warned the people and the president about a vision in which he saw God’s wrath heading towards Syria. That was several months before March 2011.

Shaikh Saeed said the wrath was in response to, among other things, the airing of Najdat Anzour’s “Ma Malakat Aymanukum” TV series during last Ramadan. Shaikh Bouti accused this TV series of mocking Islam and Muslims under the guise of shining the light on extremism. He was mocked then, but it seems that his vision came true.

Sh. Bouti was also furious at the dismissal of female teachers who wore the full-face veil from their teaching jobs and the placement of restrictions on the teaching of Quran.

Dear NK
you are right ,its the same video from March ,I wonder why it was uploaded again in May and why targeting him so aggressively this week
this post from the revolution page on facebook
The Syrian Revolution 2011 الثورة السورية ضد بشار الاسد
الشيخ البوطي: الثورة نائمة لعن الله من أيقظها!!

anyway ,now I don’t know any more if he was’ kicked out ‘ or it’s just the way it was fabricated , any way he NEVER accused the demonstrators of not praying , he accused people who are outside the mosque and not praying of taking advantage of the mosque and use it for political purposes without even entering in the mosque, I don’t understand why his words were taken out of context, specially that all what you need to do is just listen to him !!I feel angry and frustrated for the amount of lies we have to deal every day

Tara @ 27 (previous post)
Coming from the heart indeed and I salute you for that!
The very purpose of the like of this blog is to exchange different opinions, try to understand them and then maybe shift or better formulate one’s position based on things learned from the exchange. Therefore, there is really no problem with any of us here on this blog explaining him/ herself, or even trying to justify their positions on issues. Doing this would enrich our understanding of the other opinion’s concerns, fears, logic etc…
Many of us fall in the trap of slapping ready-to-use labels on people with different opinions than ours. Labels such as menhabak, mamenhabak, double-faced damscenes, brainwashed etc… push us to close our minds and ears to other opinions, place us in moral vs. immoral and right vs. wrong position, and very often discussions transform from being of substance to being of in spite. Hence, more polarized public. As you so eloquently put it, very often we find that people we thought they fitted into one category really don’t.

Your feelings toward the practices of the regime are understandable and probably shared by many Syrians regardless of their position on the current events, and were echoed by many speakers at the preparatory national dialogue which was broadcasted on Syrian TV. Where people differ is on the way forward. Some believe to move forward with the regime to evade the country from plummeting into a civil war and others believe that the way forward must be w/o the regime as the regime is incapable of reforming itself. Both points of views have merits to and are worth discussing.

Here’s an article about the famous “eye witness” who gave the Syrian government lots of headaches. He managed to get out of the country and is now in exile.

He talks about buying videos taken by soldiers/security. In one instance, he claims to have paid a soldier 2,000 liras (about $40) for the video showing members of a special missions unit from the mukhabarat placing weapons over the dead bodies of people on top of al-Kark mosque in the Dar’a province.

This is the video that members of the “Syrian Electronic Shabeeha” claim is fake, just like they claimed the Al-Baydha village video was also fake, only to be proven authentic.

What’s interesting is that he names the person he bought the video from and identifies him in the video. This should make it easier to verify. The “eye witness” claims that those selling the videos do it for the money, not because they support the opposition.

As to whether the claims are true, I am sure the “Syrian Electronic Shabeeha” will get back with us with a highly professional analysis complete with quotes from the highly credible Syrian media.

ummm none of you guys paid any attention to what Raja AbdulKarim said????
seriously?!?!?!
the biggest mistake the regime has made so far is their lack of accountability, precisely Bashar. the little accountability that was taken was aimed at the man ( gorilla) they authorities set on the street.
any trust building measure has to consist of accountability. IF JUNIOR REALLY WANTS TO MAKE CHANGE HE MIGHT AS WELL GO ANNOUNCE THE MISTAKES HE MADE AND APOLOGIZE. that will be a first step and trust me it will also be a truly historic speech. i have no hope in him, or those around him..he is dragging us to hell with him.

in Norway, the government announced around 76 people were murdered. they got 2 minutes of silence and a day of mourning.
in Syria, the government announced around 350 people were murdered. they got 2 dozen artists and days of celebrating.

“In Syria moderation is vanishing rapidly, The extremists are taking over, no matter what the government does, i see no chance of positive respond from the opposition their moderates are afraid of their extremists, The question is how long will the government and the president take to recognize that they have no partner in planning the secular future of Syria . i don’t know but i am frustrated and depressed.”

Amazing comment. The poor president and his fascist government (talk about extremism) “have no partner in planning the secular future of Syria.” The Baathists who got us to where we are today (and caused people like the writer of the comment above to leave Syria) are unable to reform.

All the Baathists want to do is buy time and introduce cosmetic changes, while ensuring that they remain in power. The the Baathists are the extremists here.

I just love it when the menhebaks keep repeating the “secular” line, over and over again.

Which president closed down the country’s only casino? Which president repealed the laws banning full face niqabs in government departments? And which president’s closest ally is the most oppressive theocracy in the region?

You won’t hear any of the mnehebaks criticize Iranian theocracy, as long as the ayatollahs keep the support and money flowing to junior.

And FYI, the Baathist religion of worshiping the holy trinity of Papa Assad (the father), the son (junior) and the holy ghost (Basel, may he rest in pieces), is far, far more oppressive than anything in Saudi Arabia. In Saudi, the worst that can happen if you don’t go to a mosque is harassment by the religious police. But in Syria, not attending a menhebak rally will get you fired, imprisoned and tortured.

The supposedly “western” educated Baathists on this forum apparently lack the critical thinking and objectivity to see that Baathism has merely replaced one religion with another. And as far as ideologies go, Baathist has proven a distinct failure.

“if possible can you share with us your openion as why all the media lately attacking Dr.Al Buti? thanks”

Criticism of Sh. Bouti is coming from different places, including:

– Saudi-financed media. One thing for sure, wahabis/salafis don’t like Sh. Bouti. They now see an opportunity to destroy his reputation and they are ceasing it (the opportunity).

Sh. Bouti has played a great role in protecting Syria from the wahabi influence and it’s now payback time. In doing so, they’re hitting two birds with one stone.

First, they settle the score with him. Second, by discrediting him and other pro-regime scholars, they stand a better chance to spread their ideology through the likes of ‘arour. I hope they fail.

The vast majority of Sunni Syrians are not wahabis/salafis and remain so despite the many attempts made over the past 50+ years. However, when people see their scholars siding with the government against them, it’s easier for ‘arour and company to exploit the situation and gain more influence.

– Other media/blogs. They repeat what the Saudi-financed media circulates without verification (not an excuse). Sometimes, it’s cut-and-paste. Other times, it is a misunderstanding of Sh. Bouti’s opinions. However, there is also genuine discontent with no misrepresentation.

– Disillusioned students and supports/fans of the shaikh. Many of the shaikh’s students and supporters/fans have been critical of shaikh Bouti’s attack on the opposition. Those students and supports/fans are well intentioned and have valid reasons for their criticism.

– Syria’s Ulema. Many of the ulema/scholars of Damascus and Syria have been very critical of sh. Bouti. Many cannot openly voice their criticism because of the security ramifications. Those who did by criticizing the government and offering a different opinion than the one expressed by Sh. Bouti have been banned from public speaking.

One of the big losers of the events in Syria regardless of the outcome is Iran. I will also add Hizbullah. After 2006, the popularity of Hizbullah sky-rocketed in Syria. Now, among Syria’s Sunnis, Hizbullah’s popularity has almost disappeared. By not being neutral and siding with the Syrian government against the demonstrators while at the same time whining over the treatment of protesters in Bahrain, Hizbullah pretty much lost the trust of many people in Syria. The same applies to Iran.

The vast majority of the people in the Arab World are fed up with authoritarianism and want to control their destiny. The people in Bahrain have every right to demand a better government and so do the people of Syria. Those who side against the people’s legitimate demands will eventually lose.

By BASSEM MROUE 07/27/11 02:51 PM ET
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BEIRUT — Ibrahim Qashoush’s lyrics moved thousands of protesters in Syria who sang his jaunty verses at rallies, telling President Bashar Assad, “Time to leave.” So when his body was dumped in the river flowing through his hometown, his killers added an obvious message: His throat was carved out.

Qashoush’s slaying underlines how brutal Syria’s turmoil has become as authorities try to crush a persistent uprising. His fellow activists are convinced he was killed by security forces and fear it could mark a new campaign to liquidate protest leaders.

An estimated 1,600 civilians have died in the crackdown on the largely peaceful protests that have been raging around Syria for more than four months, most from shootings by troops on anti-Bashar rallies. Qashoush’s case was a rare, targeted killing of a prominent activist – made more chilling by the clear intention to send a bloody message.

The 42-year-old Qashoush, a father of three boys, was a fireman in the central Syrian city of Hama who wrote poetry in his spare time, said a close friend, Saleh Abu Yaman. Before the uprising began in mid-March, he’d write about love or hard economic times.

“All the poems and songs he wrote were by instinct. He used to be sitting with his friends and then start reciting a poem,” Abu Yaman said.

But once the protests erupted and spread, Qashoush turned his pen to the uprising. Hama became one of the hottest centers of the demonstrations. In early June, security forces shot dead 65 people there, and since than it has fallen out of government control, with protesters holding the streets and government forces ringing it, conducting overnight raids into the city.

The hometown son’s star rose with the city. At nearly every protest, the crowds were singing his most popular lyric, “Come on, Bashar, time to leave.” It was put to a bouncy tune, and his poems rang with a down-to-earth, jokey

“Screw you, Bashar, and screw those who salute you. Come on, Bashar, time to leave!” hundreds of thousands sang behind a singer on stage in Hama’s central Assi Square during a rally at the beginning of the month. “Freedom is at our doors. Come on, Bashar, time to leave!”

Two days later, on July 3, Qashoush disappeared.

Abu Yaman says he was told by witnesses that Qashoush was walking to work in central Hama when a white vehicle stopped, several men jumped out and muscled him into the car. They then sped away.

Early the next day, residents found his body in the Orontes River, which cuts through Hama. His throat had been cut away. YouTube footage of his body shows him being put on a bed, his head flopping loosely to show a gaping, bloody wound on the front of his neck where his throat used to be.

“This is a purely criminal act,” said Omar Idilbi, a spokesman for the Local Coordination Committees, which track the protests in Syria. “They executed him.”

Repeated calls to Qashoush’s home by the AP were unanswered over the past days. It is nearly impossible to independently verify the claims on either side of the conflict in Syria, where the government has banned most foreign journalists and restricts coverage by reporters inside the country.

Since the uprising began, there have been several cases of protesters being detained by security force, only to have their bodies handed over later to their families, often with brutal marks of torture. Among them were two boys detained during protests in the southern province of Daraa in April. The body of one, 15-year-old Tamer Mohammed al-Sharei, was bruised, his teeth broken in; the other, 13-year-old Hamza al-Khatib, had a gaping wound in his skull, a broken neck and was mutilated – his penis severed.

But Qashoush’s case appeared distinct. Many prominent activists have been arrested, but there have been few instances of them being swiftly killed and dumped in a way so overtly intended to send a message.

Idilbi said he fears it could signal a new tactic of targeting protest organizers. The singer who sang Qashoush’s song has gone into hiding, activists say.

Like the two slain boys, Qashoush has since become a rallying point for protesters. Thousands attended his funeral on July 4, at Hama’s northern cemetery of Hamra was attended of thousands of Hama’s residents. Crowds have sung his songs at protests since. A video posted on a Facebook page dedicated to Qashoush proclaims, “They killed him in order to silence him. They don’t know that he lives in the hearts of millions.”

“One of the big losers of the events in Syria regardless of the outcome is Iran. I will also add Hizbullah. After 2006, the popularity of Hizbullah sky-rocketed in Syria. Now, among Syria’s Sunnis, Hizbullah’s popularity has almost disappeared. By not being neutral and siding with the Syrian government against the demonstrators while at the same time whining over the treatment of protesters in Bahrain, Hizbullah pretty much lost the trust of many people in Syria. The same applies to Iran.”

Not exactly SYRIA.EXPAT!
Slogans against both HA and Iran as well as stories of pursian speaking shabiha killing and snipping people were heard at the very first demonstrations in Dar3a before Iran and HA uttered any word of support of the regime.

@ MNA 56
i totally agree with you, and we want whats best for syria and not whats the worst for the regime, but i want to see justice. im pretty angry that the taxes i spend go to security forces whos priorites are the defense of the higher “echelon” and not the people. MNA you must realize that the official mouth piece of the regime has tagged much worse labels( the biggest one being that protesters are vandals and linking them to many foreign agendas). i know 2 wrongs dont make a right. but what aboud is trying to portray is a rejection of the asad culture the regime tried to install in our brains. all through highschool i had to chant those stupid slogans revering the baath, i also had to memorize seniors words( like some god). so please dont be surprised when victims of the regime reject it’s ideology( idolizing the asad family)

MNA @56 “Defending Saudi”? There is a difference between “defending” and “comparing”. The menhebaks here love to bash Saudi Arabia. I spent some years there, and have no desire to go back.

But I don’t miss an opportunity to point out how Baathism is similar to, and in some cases exceeds the excesses, of the Wahabi state. In both cases, unquestioning loyalty and belief in the state’s theology is mandatory from every citizen. Baathism elevates the Assad family to a degree of reverence not accorded to the prophets.

And yet Saudi Arabia has not been known to torture kids to death. Hand cutting for stealing is barbaric, but what do you call the routine torture visited on prisoners, no matter how petty the crime they are incarcerated for.

Get picked up for stealing a car, and you’ll spend months getting whipped, subjected to electric shocks, and crowded in a room not fit for humans. So imagine what they do to prisoners of conscious.

As for Basel, maybe if his absurd portrait (complete with sunglasses) wasn’t also shoved down our throats, we could be indifferent to him. As it is, even in death, he is part and parcel of the Baathist cult.

DARAA, (SANA) – A 75 year-old man from Daraa Province has got a baccalaureate (High School Certificate) in the literary branch, for the term 2011 with a total grade average of 179 out of 280.

Awad Aliyan said that his love for knowledge made him keep on applying for the baccalaureate exams over several years until he made it, pointing out that he would like to study either History or Arabic Literature at university.

Awad, a father of 13 and a grandfather of 30, got the Elementary School Certificate in 1951 and the Preparatory School Certificate in 1987.

“But in Syria, not attending a menhebak rally will get you fired, imprisoned and tortured.”

Some of my family members were unable to attend the rallies in support of President Assad in Syria, interesting enough, they all still have their jobs, and no one has been jailed or tortured.

As for Saudi Arabia, a few questions regarding the country you are ‘comparing’ Syria to, has Sharia law been abolished, are women able to drive or be seen in public, eg. shopping centres without a male chaperone, what would happen to someone if he/she is caught drinking alcohol? I also wonder if there are any casinos built in KSA or another thing that comes to mind, can an unveiled women go out in public without being ridiculed?

Sharia law… I wonder how many citizens have lost fingers or limbs, maybe an ear courtesy of KSA’s idea of upholding the law. An ancient law where the person imposing Sharia law has to be totally sin free. And, in Saudi Arabia, where they practise and uphold this law, women and children would not be spared, so lets us not compare shall we.

Q: Who is drafting an anti-terror law that will brand political dissent an act of terror?
A: The Saudi royals.
KSA, The country you are ‘comparing’ Syria to, where a violation of this law could land you the death penalty, a little harsh don’t you think?
KSA, where criticising the king would land you no less than 10 years jail. I also hear that it’s no walk in the park in a Saudi jail, that’s if they leave you with both legs to walk with.
Great country, great laws they are drafting.

“I totally agree with you, and we want whats best for syria and not whats the worst for the regime, but i want to see justice.”

“Wanting justice” has no time limit and is a double-edged sword. Unjustices and autrocities in Syria are not limited to the past 48 years of our history. All different injustices and autrocities were committed to all different religions, sects and ethnicities throughout our history. So if we want justice we have to be open minded to open lots of cans of worms.

Where do you stop if you want justice for the last events, for example?
Would you be satisfied to stop at the first level or two of the the people who were giving orders and you excempt the people who carried on the orders? If we were to assume that the regime was behind the killing and torturing of Hamza, would we be prepared to let the people who carried on the killing and torture go free and just put on trial the chiefs that gave the orders. Or if we assume that the three guys of a certain sect in Homs who were kidnapped, tortured, killed and then cut into pieces were done so by some elements of the “revolution” Would we be ready to demand justice for these guys as well? and if so who should be brought to justice and where do we stop?

And if we decide to dig deeper and bring to justice all who ordered and carried on the orders and by cheer numbers of individials of one sect/ region being employed in certain areas of the gov/ security , a sect/ region may feel targeted, and then what?

We might find our selves in a situation where an oppressed group of a certain time were the oppressors in another time, and then what? For example, it is known that Dar3a and its people had very prominnent positions in the security agencies, al-Baath party, Army, and governemnt under the current regime and as such some or many, who may have been victims themselves or their relatives of the regime during the last events, may have committed or involved in horible crimes when they were the opressors prior to Mar 18, and then what?

These are all thorny and hard questions to answer and there are no simple and straight answer. We should be aware of the consequences.

the famous syrian proverb: الخط الأعوج من التيس الكبير
is good enough for me. im convinced most of the security apparatus believes theyre targeting the tools of a foreign agenda. they just follow orders and dont do any thinking. those who give orders must be punished, those who torture( not restrain) must be punished. the syria coming out of this revolution must be a syria where torturing prisoners is illegal.
im no lawyer but i must repeat: juniors biggest failiure is his lack of accountability…HE MUST ADMIT HE MADE MISTAKES.

lets not fall into the same mistake the west has with the jews and say ” cuz u guys were persecuted by hitler, we will give zionists some leeway so you can commit atrocities”. i do not support any revenge agendas. the next syria i want to see is a syria where theres equal opportunity for all regardless of religion/sect/age/sex/proffesion/ party affiliation. where alawis,christians,muslims and even atheists can 1 day say: i dont agree with your policies, and i think they will hurt syria. and no one will be harmed for saying so.
can bashar make such a syria?NO

See, you made two mistakes. The first was to throw out a retort just before stating you aren’t interested in further discussing the topic. The second, was the usual Baathist habit of ignoring what the other person actually said. Here, I’ll repeat it for you;

Pony Tail Aboud @61

“MNA @56 “Defending Saudi”? There is a difference between “defending” and “comparing”. The menhebaks here love to bash Saudi Arabia. I spent some years there, and have no desire to go back.

But I don’t miss an opportunity to point out how Baathism is similar to, and in some cases exceeds the excesses, of the Wahabi state.”

And let’s take a look at this;

“KSA, where criticising the king would land you no less than 10 years jail. I also hear that it’s no walk in the park in a Saudi jail, that’s if they leave you with both legs to walk with.”

Wow, just ten years in jail? Hamza Khatib should have been so lucky. But I guess that’s the Baathist judicial system. Hani Jundi was assassinated in the streets.

“Some of my family members were unable to attend the rallies in support of President Assad in Syria, interesting enough, they all still have their jobs, and no one has been jailed or tortured. ”

You know, I’m getting increasingly weary of the Baathists here who supposedly have truckloads of relatives in Syria, and yet who are oblivious to the most basic facts of living here. The only thing that could have gotten anyone out of those orchestrated menhebak demos was a real serious note from their doctor.

In Homs, they bussed in people from the villages surrounding Telkelakh. You have not seen ridiculous until you’ve been asked by a guy in full menhebak attire (Besho picture on shirt, Besho picture in hand, and Baath party cap on head) ask you the way to the friggin Deblan street.

FYI, Deblan is the main commercial street in the city. What kind of a Homsi doesn’t know where it is? Someone who…duh…isn’t from Homs. What unlucky creatures, not to be from Homs. I pity the rest of mankind 🙂

but what aboud is trying to portray is a rejection of the asad culture the regime tried to install in our brains. all through highschool i had to chant those stupid slogans revering the baath, i also had to memorize seniors words( like some god).

Thanks mr. Abu Umar for admitting your thuggish behavior. You can not escape your threatening words and calls for violence so you try to blame your thuggish behavior on others: that is childish as you know.”

I have never seen you once describe the Syrian regime’s slaughter, disappearing, jailing and torture of tens of thousands as thuggish or the thuggish propagandists on this forum and on Syrian TV who were calling for a scorched earth policy and killing. And, yes I will be violent when you kill tens of thousands of my people and expect me to smile at you. I am not blaming my thuggish behaviour on others, but as a response to them, something you refuse to acknowledge.

“Nevertheless, here are my points to your response:”

What points? You refuse to incriminate yourself.

“Note: I will never forget that you, the non-Syrian, threatened to kick me out of my country of birth Syria. You said this to me on numerous posts.”

You certainly didn’t have a problem when the Syrian regime kicked hundreds of thousands of Syrians out of Syria? What makes you so special? As for me being non-Syrian, why did your Syrian regime exile many of its opponents in Lebanon? What are you going to do when Asad falls?

“1- You are trying to link me to the words of others that is wrong. I told you many times (you seem to neglect this fact) that these men you are trying to bring into the conversations are responsible for their ideas and words. I am responsible for my own. I, as evidenced from all of my comments, am against all types of violence,”

So why are you just responding to me? I didn’t see you in any of your other posts condemn the oppression of Syrian regime unless you were asked. Why are you just accusing me of thuggery while ignoring the thuggery of the regime and its backers? Secondly, you defended thugs like SNK and you can go back and read his thuggish comments and his pathetic retorts, so yes, you do apply a double standard.

” weather it is by the Assad troops or the demonstrators. I see the ills of both sides. I want order to be restored as soon as possible as well democracy. You are not interested in that. You have my posts on this site and you can go through it all.”

This is the elephant in the room, the Syrian regime’s oppression of Syrian Sunnis and why the people are protesting. You and your ilk refuse to acknowledge this point. You say you condemn the oppression of the regime, yet you refuse to acknowledge this and bring up side issues. You want to sweep this issue under the rug and you have the same mentality as the menhebek lunatics, even though you say you condemn the regime and its actions. Do you expect the regime to kill tens of thousands and the people to smile at them? Would you support the trial of Bashar, or Shawkat or Maher? I strongly doubt it.

“2- You told us many times that everyone is sectarian and that is why you are this HUGE unabashed sectarian.”

I am a Sunni sectarian and I didn’t deny it, but many of the menhebek lunatics refuse to acknowledge the utter sectarianism of their regime.

” You are wrong again Mr. Abu Umar and I advise you to wake up and see that there are many who are not sectarian.”

Yes, there are many non-sectarians, and you aren’t one of them.

” I for example do not believe in religions so therefore I do not know what a sect is except when I come across sectarian kokos like you. Secularism is the remedy for this disease.”

You must be very retarded. Sectarianism can come in many forms, including non-religious, such as tribalism, ultra-nationalism, etc. This is why many non-religious Jews support Israel or why many Americans support their government even when it kills millions. You accuse me of something all groups are guilty of.

“3- I am not pro Assad and this little fact seem not to get to your head. You keep on calling me something I am not. See; this is another childish trait of yours’ mr. Abu Umar. You can not discourse like adults. Children deny things. Adults argue and discuss things. Children can not take criticism. Adults can take criticism.”

You call your browbeating and insults discussion? So lets discuss the main issue, the oppression of the Syrian regime and the conditions in Syrian prisons, which you try to sweep under the rug? You certainly are pro-Asad when you don’t want to see the regime fall.

“4- You seem to see every Alawi in the world as responsible for crimes against Sunnis.”

In the last 30 years yes, as the majority of them have supported the Asad regime and the army divisions which killed tens of thousands of Sunnis were filled mostly with Alawis. Maher al-Asad’s unit isn’t majority Sunni, so your words are disproved by the action of the Alawis.

” You know you seem like a joke when you claim that.”

Show me the sectarian breakdown of the army and mukhabarat units involved in the killing of Sunnis, then you can claim that this is a joke.

” I know some Alawis who went to fight for your cause 1948, why you seem to be interested more into making them all with no exception just interested into the killing of Palestinians and other Sunnis.”

Good for them. I know Palestinians who served your regime. You continue to try to sweep under the rug that your regime killed tens of thousands of Sunnis so it can maintain its grip on power, and your Alawi sectarianism shows.

” This is another childish claim of yours.”

See above. The reality on the ground isn’t childish, and if it was otherwise, than the units involved in the current crackdown would be filled with Sunnis.

” You are even worst than al-3Arur.”

Be careful what you wish for.

” Funny when you claimed that you are an “open minded,” I almost fell from the chair laughing, whom are you kidding.”

Yes, I am open-minded and I am willing looking to look at a situation from a different group’s viewpoint, even though I have little sympathy for them. I don’t hide my sectarianism.

” You consider yourself an executioner سياف with the keys to paradise. You think you can judge people because of their religions and sects, who are you? who gives you the right to say that?”

Do you expect your regime to kill tens of thousands and us to smile at you?
!إقتل قتيل و إمشي بجنارتو
That might have worked on Jumblat and Sa’d al-Hariri, but it won’t work this time.

“As for the Alawis and France, you seem to forget, as usual, that the Alawis were fast to rebel against the French, even though the French gave the Alawis a state. Saleh al-Ali rebelled against the French and was for a united Syria. Have you heard of him?”

Yes, and I said a large groups of Alawis, not all Alawis, just like their were many Palestinians who collaborated with the British and the Zionists and many who resisted them, and I specifically mentioned Asad’s grandfather. Why are you inconsistent in your ideals when you claimed that you don’t care about mumaana? Why does it bother you when I mentioned many Alawis were stooges for the French?

” And as for the “document” that the “Alawi notables” send France: I am still waiting to see it. I have heard Sunnis talk about it for years and never seen one copy of it. Do you have a link to that document mr. Aby Umar, or is it another lie of yours?”

Yes, Landis, mentioned it in the New York Times, as did Pierre Gemayel years ago. Of course, an Alawi sectarian like you won’t acknowledge it, and the Alawite leaders like Asad’s grandfather even praised the Zionists and blamed the Palestinian for becoming refugees in their own land. Again why are you bothered by this, if you claim that you don’t care about mumana. We’ll see how you change your tune in a subsequent post.

“5- As for my heritage; it is secularism. My father did not care about religion and was more into books that mattered. He told me to judge people by their deeds and intentions for other people. He did not tell me that so and so is an infidel and could be killed.”

And yet, you still are an extreme Alawi sectarian, just like the extreme Zionist sectarians, who are non-religious.

” My heritage is criticism and science and not believing in the supernatural and if I could let you get into paradise or not.”

So why are you afraid to criticise Ali ibn Abi Talib?

” I respect people.”

You respect those who sing to your tune.

” This is my heritage mr. Abu Umar. Your heritage is that of killing and denying the other even exist.”

My heritage is your heritage and you Alawis have shown yourself to be very adept at killing so you can maintain your grip on power and your regime and its supporters deny that the opposition to the regime exists because of this.

“6- AS for Ali ibn Abi Taleb, you want me to call him a criminal because he killed in his days.”

No, I don’t want you to call him a criminal. I want you to be consistent in your criticisms, which of course you are not, because of your Alawi sectarianism.

” I tell you, I do not know if he killed anyone or not.”

No, he was a pacifist. Open the books of seerah to see otherwise.

” The who history of the era of Ali Ibn Abi Taleb had been written in the Abbasid period. So we really are not sure of what had happened in his days.”

Nonsense. You yourself said that Islam was violent was from day one and Ali was a major player at this time, especially in the battles and wars.

” I do not know if he killed anyone because I do not believe the historiography of that period.”

So why did you accuse Muslims of being violent from the beginning? Was Ali in his house the whole time?

” As for the works we have of Ali Ibn Abi Taleb, like Nahj al-Balaghah (one of my favorite books) was written by al-Sharif al-Radi, according to one theory, or by others. All the knowledge we have about Ali ibn Abi Taleb is contested.”

Why is all the knowledge about Ali contested, when you attacked Islam as violent from day one? The books of seerah clearly prove that he was involved in many battles.

” I know his books that are nothing but philosophical writings about life and less about religion and sects. NOW TO COMPARE HIM TO THE CRIMINAL IBN TAYMIYAH: We have all the books of Ibn Taymiyah. He lived in a very well documented period. WE have the decrees of Ibn Taymiyah that calls the Christians, Jews, and every non Sunni an infidel. We have this document and many of you still believe in it.”

Ibn Taymiyyah wasn’t the first to declare people infidels, this happened at the dawn of Islam and the Arab polytheists were fought as infidels. Attack the source, not the fruits.

” Ali Ibn Abi Taleb did not issue any decree. You lied when you said that.”

Yes, he did and I didn’t lie, unless you think Ali was some sort of pacifist.

“Funny also the point you made when you said that Ali Ibn Abi Taleb is not on my side. How do you know? You called him and he told you that he was on the side on Ibn Taymiyah?”

His beliefs and actions prove that he wasn’t on your side and he certainly is closer to Ibn Taymiyyah than a lunatic like yourself. Where did Ali call for any of the nonsense you are calling for?

” Remember what did Ibn Taymiyah said about Ali and how he did not like him. Your Ibn Taymiyah did not like Ali. Do you want me to bring you the evidence?”

No, I am not interested in your lies, and Ibn Taymiyyah praised Ali many times in his books. Criticising Twelvers isn’t similar to criticising Ali.

\”How many times does the word kill is mentioned in the Decrees of Ibn Taymiyah? How many times in this multi volume book, that is the heart of many Sunni institutions (even states like Saudi Arabia) did Ibn Taymiyah call the Christians, Jews, and non-Sunnis infidels? Who are you Abu Umar to classify people like that? Who is Ibn Taymiyah to put himself the doorman to paradise?\”

Attack the source. Is the Prophet a war criminal?

“7- AS for gay rights you did not answer what are your plans for gays in the Muslim World?”

I answered, but I don’t care and you have shown yourself to be a hypocrite.

” AS for my village, I am from a city Abu Umar ”

Preaching what you don’t practise?!

“and if in my city there were gays who wanted to parade, I care less, let them do whatever they want. I am no one to judge them. I hate to see people hate on them because of their sexual orientation. It is not my business. What are your ideas about gays mr. Abu Umar?\”

So invite Western gays to hold a parade in the Alawi cities, villages and neighbourhoods, then I can say you are honest.

“8- As for Birth Control: you did not answer as expected and asked me to go and preach that to HuzbAllah and Iran. See how much of a child you are.”

The child is the one who refuses to admit the obvious. You are calling for birth control because the high birthrates of Sunnis are a demographic threat to you, even the Israelis admit this of the Palestinians.

” I will talk about it to anyone, and I am sure that Huzballah and Iran and the Shia are more open minded any day than you and Sunnis with the same mental fabric like you.”

Nonsense, and go preach gay rights to them too, and see how open-minded they are.

“9- Zionism in your scapegoat for all the failures you have in life. you fall from your bed and you blame Zionism, your soccer team loses you blame Zionism, you get sick you blame Zionism. Am I telling the truth here?”

No, you are lying, but of course, you still refuse to admit why many Syrian Sunnis hate your regime.

Sorry to break the bad news to you AP, but in post-liberation Syria the people will be chanting anti-zionism slogans of their own free will more strongly and vigorously and with with true conviction, and you’ll also be surprised that they won’t allow their democratically- elected government to do any under-the-table deals that serve Israel’s stability as the current regime and that of Asad pere before it have done. So I reckon you’d better start vacating those settlements out of the Golan pretty quick!

Don’t worry, they’ll be enjoying the secular paradise of Iran when their time runs up.

“68. Akbar Palace said:”

Why were you silent all of a sudden when you were exposed for your hypocrisy? Why does Israel claim to be a democracy and claim to want to spread democracy as you falsely claimed on this blog, when it backed some of the most violent regimes for decades? Why the hypocrisy?

By the way, was your “Akbar Palace” built on land stolen from the Palestinians?

More than four months after protests began in Syria, Kurdish parties still do not have a clear agenda if the Baath regime falls. Some Kurdish politicians maintain the problem could be solved through a conference to unite the Kurdish front.

Nuri Brimo, spokesman for the Kurdish Democratic Party in Syria, said Syrian Kurdish groups are debating whether to hold a Kurdish unity conference. The groups are divided over who should represent them in opposition conferences and have no clear agenda to push at the gatherings, Syrian Kurdish leaders say.

Over the past few months the Syrian opposition has held several conferences in Turkey. The Kurds have always come out empty-handed, however. Most even withdrew from the most recent conference, held in Istanbul earlier this month, over concerns that their interests were not being represented.

Radhwan Badini, a Syrian Kurdish leader who has attended three opposition conferences in Turkey, criticized Arab opposition groups for not sticking to the opposition’s agenda.

“In most of the conference we agreed on one agenda with the Arab parties, but halfway through the conference they would switch their stance and stand against the Kurds,” Badini told Rudaw.

As the wise Abu Ghassan said before, answering back comments like yours is a waste of time. But, still I want to refute your lies again and again and will be brief:

1- You hate me not because of my ideas, but because I stated that I do not like Islam. This is what ticked you about me and made you attack me as we have seen. So do not lie again and try to hide your true feelings by making all of these accusations and assumptions about me. Be a brave man and say that you hate me because I do not like Islam. Be also a brave man, and true to your religion, and say that I am worthy of death because of that.

2- As for me being a ‘Alawi, I do not know what is the ‘Alawi religion, never learned it, do not know how they pray, who are their clergy, and never met with any ‘Alawi clergyman to learn the ‘Alawi way. So I am not a ‘Alawi. My father did not teach me any ‘Alawi practices. So, Mr. Abu Umar wake up….My family taught me secularism not religion. You seem not to be able to comprehend this advanced idea.

3- You lie when you say that ‘Ali ibn Abi Taleb issued decrees/fatawi to kill people who are different religiously than him. Where is this decree/Fatwa? I want the text, where is that text?

4- Ibn Taymiyah’s Decrees (plural and not only one Decree) are well preserved….His words asking his followers to consider anyone not Sunni like them as an infidel worthy of death are in his books. So you lie when you deny them. He mentions the word kill them in his decrees way too many times.

5- AS for the ‘Alawi “notables” and the document they send to the French: Where is that document? I have not seen it. I heard lots about it but never saw it.

6- As for the gay issues in the Muslim world, you run away from answering as your habit, what do you have in store for gays in the Muslim world? What did Ibn Taymiah say about the gays?

7- As for Birth control: You seem to also run away from answering a straight answer. What is your plan for Birth Control?

8- As for your claim that you are an “open minded” person, I think that is another lie of yours.

9- As for Islam and the sources about its violent history, I read the Quran and see the evidence. I do not need to believe the books written in the Abbasid period. It is mostly fabrications. But from the moment we could record the history of Islam and Muslim people we see nothing but violence and no respect to others and intention to hurt others.

Sorry to break the bad news to you AP, but in post-liberation Syria the people will be chanting anti-zionism slogans of their own free will more strongly and vigorously and with with true conviction, and you’ll also be surprised that they won’t allow their democratically- elected government to do any under-the-table deals that serve Israel’s stability as the current regime and that of Asad pere before it have done.

MGB,

What you describe doesn’t seem like it was formulated in the all-powerful, “Jewish Controlled Media”;)

And my guess is that if Syrians were free like Arab-Israelis, I doubt if there would be demonstrations against the Syrian government like what we are witnessing today.

But, good luck with the chanting; I’m sure Junior is happy to know that these chants are growing “more strongly and vigorously”.

So I reckon you’d better start vacating those settlements out of the Golan pretty quick!

You reckon wrong. But Israelis are willing to listen to peace proposals. However, if you want the Golan, you are welcome to go take it!

The other alternative is to talk about peace and all the mushy details, including that white and blue flag flying in Damascus.

I jest of course. The biggest mistake the Americans made in Iraq was to dissolve the army and fire anyone who belonged to the Baath Party from their civil service jobs. America after its civil war, and Germany after WW2, both managed to move on because an amnesty was given to the losing side, with the exception of a few particularly nasty individuals.

When junior falls, it is inevitable that the nastiest elements of the regime will flee with him. They won’t stay around to face the music. How much of the rank and file mukhabarat is it feasible to punish?

It is too early to talk of amnesties and forgiveness. You certainly don’t want to give the impression to the regime’s thugs that they can keep on slaughtering and torturing people, and all will be forgiven. However, they should keep in mind that in a country like Syria, every jailer, every shabiha scum, every intelligence officer’s name is known. There is no anonymity whatsoever. Just ask the guy who tortured Hamza Khatib to death.

Oh wait, you can’t anymore. There is something to be said for Hourani tribal justice.

@74 Akbar Palace

“However, if you want the Golan, you are welcome go take it!”

>_<

Give us the Golan back, or be subjected to the agony of Ar'or with a megaphone, blasting his sermons at you from Qunietra.

"The other alternative is to talk about peace and all the mushy details, including that white a blue flag flying in Damascus. "

I’m not going to engage in anymore tit and tat with a coward like you who slithers like a snake when he is exposed for his lies. The elephant in the room is the oppression and killing of tens of thousands of Syrian Sunnis by the regime with strong sectarian overtones so it can maintain its hold on power, and you continue to insist all sectarianism must be religious. How many Alawis involved in the recent crackdown have a clue about their Alawi beliefs?! You continue to try to sweep this under the rug and this will be your downfall. The Syrian regime’s days are numbered and I guarantee you if thousands of your people were being killed, you would be calling for war. Go tell the millions of Syrian Sunnis to forget what your regime did to them. Your regime will fall, and if you don’t like it, you can always join Bashar in Iran.

Your title “Buti expelled from mosque” is extremely misleading. The clips that you show are from MONTHS ago, when the protests started to spread to Damascus. They occurred AFTER the Friday prayers were finished and when some people rushed the pulpit shouting anti-government slogans. All of the clips that follow took place in the week following that sermon, back in March.

Please be more scrupulous in what you are presenting and how it is being read.

Someone corrected me just now. There are some Syrians who do object to the Argentine flag. Namely, stuck up Brazil and Germany supporters.

Myself, I supported England. What was I thinking….

People, please give professor Landis a break. He is the one academic I’ve seen who admits it when he makes a mistake, and who doesn’t think he is the heir apparent to Newton’s legacy. In due course I’m sure a correction will be posted, thanks to the vigilance of the the website’s readers.

Professor Landis can be excused. But not the Baathists who originally posted that video, knowing full well it was misleading. Even now, they don’t have the cahoonas God gave to a Chihuahua to admit the video isn’t what they would like people to believe it is.

Oh dear, so Akbar Palace bisharq-el-awsat, built on stolen Palestinian land also wants to rob us of the right to use sarcasm too, eh?

BTW, you wouldn’t happen to have any inside knowledge of a possible private email from junior to uncle Shimon asking him to endorse the revolution (a-la-Zawahiri) so that it is immediately discredited by the Syrian Official Media (aka, the menhebbak mouthpiece)?

Again Mr. Abu Umar resorts to lies, negation of the others, running away from the topic, and threats of violence without answering the real questions, or come up with any text that he was asked to provide.

First an ANONYMOUS starts a petition on avaaz.org
with a juicy Amina’s style title :
“Save Syria’s Disappeared”
with a juicy Amina’s style tale :
” Muntaha’s sixteen year old son was abducted from a peaceful democracy protest by Syrian security forces. She has spent the last eight weeks scouring the country for her child – …. ”

claiming that the petition — it is being delivered by high profile media outlets around the world including the Times of India, the GUARDIAN , CNN and Der Spiegel.

asking for the leaders of India, Brazil, South Africa, Kuwait and QATAR to send a human rights delegation to Syria immediately to investigate !!!!

Second a “journalist” takes the tale :
Syrian protesters seized at rate of one every hour, say activists

The Economist, The contagion of democracy has at last begun to infect Damascus

DURING four months of protests that have spread across the entire country, the city that has been most protected from the waves of popular rage is Damascus, the capital itself. Almost all the poor villages and suburbs surrounding it have been affected but the more prosperous central parts of the city have generally been kept off-limits to the protesters. This may now be changing, as the contagion of dissent seeps further into the heart of the capital.

People, please give professor Landis a break. He is the one academic I’ve seen who admits it when he makes a mistake, and who doesn’t think he is the heir apparent to Newton’s legacy.

Aboud,

I give people lots of breaks. But I’ve been on this website too long, and I recall too many posts and articles excusing and praising Junior. Things have changed a little…

Joshua said:

Dear QN, You write: “These issues, however, are small potatoes compared to the damage that the relationship will sustain if Syria uses Hizbullah to turn up the heat on Israel again, with all of Lebanon paying the price.”

Syria will undoubted encourage Hizbullah to turn up the heat on Israel if peace talks go no where. What else can it do? The only reason Israel is talking to Syria today is because Olmert couldn’t destroy Hizbullah by force of arms. Without Hizbullah, there would be no talks or hope of Syria getting back the Golan, I fear.

This all means that Syria will try to keep that card an ace.

That, you will say, suggests that Syria really has no regard for Lebanese sovereignty. I would argue that what it really means is that Syria places its own national interests above those of Lebanon and that Lebanon is too weak to deny Syria Hizbullah.

We get back to the old question of how Lebanese should try to deal with it annoying Syria problem.

Lebanese should support Syria’s cause of getting back the Golan as best they can, rather than trying to thwart it, as Geagea et al do.

They, of course, believe Syria wants to own Lebanon and unify, which helps explain why they would prefer to side with Israel to defeat Syria. I think we have proven that this is a losing strategy for Lebanon.

Supporting Syria’s claim to the Golan may also be a losing strategy, but, at least, many Israelis still say that they will return it under the right circumstances.

best, Joshua

August 25th, 2008, 10:31 pm

This is what Qunfuz had to say a few years back when Junior wasn’t giving him ulcers:

111. qunfuz said:

O for God’s sake Shai, how long will you continue repeating the same rubbish? Years of peace process have brought Israel more stolen land and water and the Palestinians more dispossession and apartheid. And the violence of the oppressor and the oppressed is NOT the same. What you call terror attacks is resistance to Zionist ethnic cleansing, apartheid, and massacre. You say: “No Israeli is willing to listen to the “why”, or to the difference between the two.” That is precisely why there is no point talking to Israelis at the moment. You will say that’s what the Israelis say about the Arabs, and I repeat – the Arabs have tried making peace, and it has brought only more disaster. The Arabs do not occupy the Israelis. The Arabs have not ethnically cleansed the Israelis.

Zionism is based on the concept of Jewish superiority over the natives of Palestine. It necessitates bouts of ethnic cleansing and massacre, and can only survive while the Arabs are controlled by dictators. Zionism is an evil. There can be no peace with it. We don’t want peace anyway, we want justice.

94% of Israelis supported the disgusting racist massacre of innocents in Gaza. Ninety four per cent. Don’t talk to us about partners for peace. Your rhetoric is sick, like your society.

I don’t imagine we can defeat you in the near future. This situation is truly tragic. But enough of dialogue with you monsters and your monstrous ideology. Resistance doesn’t have to be violent – though I support absolutely any means the Palestinians employ to resist the genocide – but resistance is the only option.

(By the way, there are an increasing number of Jews OUTSIDE of your apartheid state who do see the difference between the violence of the oppressor and the violence of the oppressed. This provides a glimmer of hope. Zionists like you, even if you’re soft Zionists, provide no reason to hope whatsoever.)

February 4th, 2009, 5:01 pm

From Nov. 27, 2007: Professor Josh states:

Bush’s speech cannot be read as promising for Syria. Syria was not mentioned.

The stress was on Democracy – Democracy as a precondition for any concessions to Palestinians.

…

The only oblique reference to Syria was a reference to Lebanon. Bush stressed the important of cultivating “Democracy” in Lebanon, which is code for defeating Hizbullah and empowering Sunni Lebanese and Saad Hariri’s Future Movement over Shiites, pushing out Syrian influence, and defeating the Lebanese opposition.

1- I said that I stated what I want to state and you stated wht you want to state and I have nothing to add not b/c I m not interested in the discussion. I heard you and just did not think that I had anything to add that would be of benefit to this discussion.
2- Just going to ignore that you slapped with with a ready-to-use label and called me a baathist. Not that there is anything wrong with being a baathist, but I never and will never be a baathist or a member of any party for that matter.
3- As for your use of KSA, I was led to believe that you were defending it. If your are telling me that KSA is the devil of all devils, or it is as bad as the Baath, in yr opinion, b/c I know how you feel about the Baath, then I will take back my comment.
4- I agree that accountibility is nonexistant in Syria and it is one of the major draw backs. When Syria starts to enforce accountability all of its problems will fall in line one after another. However, accountability has to be to all.
5- The President himself admitted that there were mistakes committed by security service. Since he is where the bus stops, then an opology is indeed in order and there is nothing wrong with it. At the same time, I would insist on an apology by everyone who contributed to bloodshed on the other side. Including an opology to the families of the security agents and Army who were slaughtered in Jisr Al-Shaghour.

We need more missionaries, more Bibles and more Hagge’s to bring the word of the true god to the heathen Wahabbis and Anza tribesmen of Arabia. Join me brothers in Christ on our god ordained mission to convert the heathen to Evangelism. Let’s fulfill the word of god, it is your duty, lets hasten the coming of our Lord and Savior Jesus for he said this:

“…Matt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world … Jesus will return after the gospel of the kingdom has been preached to all … To reach the youth and children who are potential leaders in the kingdom and …”

Brothers, only one country left that do not allow the gospel to be preached to its enslaved nation, Saudi Arabia, this absolute Pheroenic Monarchy was founded with blood by a Jewish denial of Christian faith named Mordakhai bin Ibrahim bin Moshe, who change name to SAUD, read more about this evil man and his descendant here:

Brothers of the Lord, Latter Day Saints, Jehovah witness, Brother Hagge, now is the time to descent on Arabia and preaches the gospel of our lord Jesus to the heathen Wahhabis, more about Jewish origin of Wahabbism is here:

Brothers in faith, only one country in our way to fulfill the Bible Glorious Promise left, now that Israel is thriving, now that the lord Jesus redeemed his fig tree, there is only one nation left to fulfill the word of God and bring the gospel to the entire world, Arabia, that is all.

Brother Hagge, we need your help to send bibles, holy crosses and missionary, we have the technology of cell phones, we can even set our own cell network and access the entire disbelieving nations of Wahabbe Kuffar.

Only then brothers, only when we fulfill this last promise, would our Lord and Savior Jesus return to glorious Israel and land on mount of olive to rebuild the 3rd. Temple that will last for eternity.

Ya all heads the call now and begin the missionary work to convert the Anza tribesmen and Wahabbi away from the devil Lucifer and into the arms of our Lord Jesus.

Uuuuuuuhhhh, little crude but, I will get this campaign and my language refined soon, this beats and resolve the conflict I had with offending the Iranians Shia Moslems with Stop Islamization Campaign Worldwide backed by “GANO” Global Alliance of Nationalist Organizations. This looks good; we get to use positive rather than negative means. By “Negative” I mean offending Moslem Iranians and promoting hatred and discrimination, Positive is turning Arabia into a moderate place with civilized humans, rather than the Khanzirs and Anza they are now. Get to emancipate the women of Arabia from bondage and more positive: bring Christianity moderation to Arabia. HELLOF Deal.

All right, after Ramadan ends, and after the Anza tribesmen celebrate the devil and his blood thirsty spirit by spending 3 days shedding blood in the streets, slaughtering poor herbivores animals and slaughtering Syrians in the Streets, I will set up a church and start Christian Evangelical Crusade in Arabia using Cellular network and .mobi networks, I am sure many of you brothers will support me in the *THE MISSION*

The Mission, that will be a nice name, wait, wait…ok I registered the domain name for the central hub site that will link 62 million cells in Arabia with Jesus, here it is keep on file : http://www.themission.mobi

The document stressed Israel’s desire to “promote and strengthen ties of friendship and cooperation between their countries and peoples” and not to interfere in each other’s internal affairs.

“Israel is always looking to improve relations with as many countries as possible,” a Foreign Ministry official source told Xinhua, “and the establishment of diplomatic relations with South Sudan sends a very important message to the international community and especially to the Palestinians, because South Sudan achieved its independence through a negotiated process, not a unilateral decision…..

(“Aboud apologizing for using the word Baathist? Who are you, and what have you done with the real Pony Tail Aboud!”)

AP @ 84

“But I’ve been on this website too long, and I recall too many posts and articles excusing and praising Junior”

You’re looking at one of the people who bent over backwards to look for excuses on Bashar’s behalf. Up until the middle of April, I really believed Bashar was a reformer, shackled by hardliners.

Then the regime’s thugs massacred people at the New Clock Square in Homs, the site of the most beautiful demonstration in Syria up till then. Since then, Bashar was no more. He became junior, a man too inept to exert his own leadership in any meaningful way.

AP, I don’t have your long memory for what was said when on this website. Until last April, what did junior do that was so terrible that you’d expect people to have loathed him as they do now.

But I do agree with you on one thing; Lebanese should not be fighting Israel for the Golan. Syrians should be fighting Israel for the Golan. If Syria was doing its fair share of the fighting, then at least we could call it a common front with Hizbollah.

But for Lebanon to shoulder all the consequences of a conflict with Israel, is cowardice on the part of junior. The Syrian people have proven they are brave beyond measure.

If the shabiha scum love their guns so much, they are more than welcome to use them on the front lines on the Golan. But something tells me that a professional, modern army is not the kind of enemy they are looking to take on.

Yes, in all honesty, I can’t disagree. It seems to me freedom of speech and freedom of thought is something worth fighting for as well. If Syrians want to fight Israel to regain control of land lost in war, this is up to the Syrian people.

I would prefer a “land for peace” deal, in order to save lives.

Right now, however, it seems fighting for basic human rights is the number 1 priority.

Getting rid of junior and setting up a pluralistic, democratic, representative society will be enough to occupy us for a few years. People are of course free to occupy their time with Israeli misdoings from 50 years hence, or what Ali did or said, or what was said and done to Ali 1400 years ago.

Personally, I find such discussions right now tedious and irrelevant. As irrelevant as whatever Ramadan shows were in the works four months ago.

“I would prefer a “land for peace” deal, in order to save lives.”

The problem is, land for peace was never given a fair chance. The Assad family had absolutely no interest in ending the state of no-war/no peace with Israel. It derived most of its legitimacy and pan-Arab credentials by playing a leading role in the “rejectionist” camp, an approach that has now fallen apart with the regime’s recognition of 1967-borders Palestine.

Tara @ 90 “Don’t become too soft. We are still revolutioning. ”

Well now, I think I did MNA a disservice. I’d die of shock if someone accused me of being a Baathist when I clearly am not one.

@88 “who cares what comes out of the mouth of this ancient, dwarf, anti semite who occupies and fouls semite land.”

You do apparently, judging from your diatribe. Just like how you Baathists bestowed such prominence upon the satellite sheikh, Ar’or. He is the Salman Rushdie of 2011; your obsession with him is what made him so prominent. I think over half is viewership must be menhebaks, obsessed with what he is going to say next.

@86

………what the heck…..

Can I have whatever it is you are smoking? I want to make-believe I’m a Galatic Salahudin leading a Jihad on Mars.

Your title “Buti expelled from mosque” is extremely misleading. The clips that you show are from MONTHS ago, when the protests started to spread to Damascus. They occurred AFTER the Friday prayers were finished and when some people rushed the pulpit shouting anti-government slogans. All of the clips that follow took place in the week following that sermon, back in March.”

Dear Scooby, many thanks for this correction. I was duped by this well crafted video forgery. There are many misleading and falsified videos going around. I have frequently criticized the main stream press for not doing due diligence. Now I have been burned. Mea culpa. I have frequently used Buti as a measure of the “Sunni street.” He is a much respected Imam. I know he has many critics today because of his pro-stability stand, but for him to be expelled from a mosque would be big news and a turning point, of a kind. Thanks for correcting me. I count on the collective knowledge of this discussion board. Merci]

I love SC Democracy, neat, I get to leave thumb down on every comment Landis makes here. May Jesus bless you for giving us this freedom and hope you will join our mission to bring the word of Christ to 62 millions in Arabia.

Not exactly SYRIA.EXPAT!
Slogans against both HA and Iran as well as stories of pursian speaking shabiha killing and snipping people were heard at the very first demonstrations in Dar3a before Iran and HA uttered any word of support of the regime.”

I am not sure about that, but even if some people here and there had an issue with Iran and HA. The real loss of popularity for Iran and HA started when they, having condemned the killings in Bahrain, didn’t condemn the killing of Syrian protestors. The double-standard is what disillusioned a lot of people.

Also, it’s important to note that some of the sectarian slogans attributed to demonstrators early on were most probably the work of the government. The opposition has gone to great pains to stress the unity of the Syrian people and the peaceful nature of the protests. It wasn’t always so, but overall it has been quite peaceful and non-sectarian.

One of the most popular slogans is “Wahid, wahid, wahid, ASha’b Assuri wahid.”

I think most people here remember what Mr. Bakhtian, one of the top Baath party leaders, admitted two or more months ago. In a rare moment of candor, he admitted that the Baath party covered up “some” mistakes and embellished them.

Well, he hasn’t resigned since and was not fired. Actually, he’ll help lead way for a new era of transparency in Syria. I can’t wait.

just passed by the muhkabarat head quarters in kafer suseh. i counted more than 30 buses…..looks like sh*t is going down tomorrow.
and being in Damascus i have not heard of a harmful demostration( except the one where government loyalists attacked the american/french/turkish/qatari embassies). personally i have witnessed how these men attack peaceful demonstrators in midan. so tell me again? are these the reforms bashar is heading?

“Slogans against both HA and Iran as well as stories of pursian speaking shabiha killing and snipping people were heard at the very first demonstrations in Dar3a before Iran and HA uttered any word of support of the regime.”

Not true at all. Care to link the video or article where that was the case?

There is no doubt that Iran has been directly propping up the regime. People are rightfully angry at this blatant foreign interference by a theocracy whose values few, if any, Syrian shares.

Hizbollah’s propaganda outlets have been perversely one sided in their coverage. If the menhebaks loath Al-Jazeraa, they should at least acknowledge that that satellite channel provides pro-regime propagandists ample opportunities to get their point of view across (it’s not their fault those spokespersons are inept and comedic). Al-Manar has never allowed an opposition spokesperson on their channel.

Now, as to the persistent and widespread rumors of Hizbollah and Iranian operatives in the country, I’m afraid that the government has only itself to blame for not allowing impartial and independent media into the country (yeah, I know that the presence of Brazilian and Polish media would be so threatening).

Has there been a Hizbollah/Iranian smoking gun? Not that I know of. But in any conflict, absence of proof does not always equate to proof of absence. There is too much anecdotal evidence about direct Hizbollah involvement to dismiss out of hand.

The opposition’s ire against Iran and Hizbollah has nothing to do with sect. How quickly the menhebaks living abroad forget how ordinary Syrians opened their homes to Lebanese Shia refugees during Israel’s 2006 onslaught against Lebanon.

@ aboud 99
just trying to prove your point aboud, in the summer of 2006. i volunteered along with my family at an ngo that sheltered and fed the refugees. along with many syrians. it was the good will of the syrian people and not the regime that provided such hospitality to the people of lebanon.

http://www.dp-news.com/en/detail.aspx?articleid=91524
DAMASCUS- In a statement published on Thursday, the National Evangelical Synod of Syria and Lebanon (NESSL) on Thursday condemned the killing, terrifying and sabotage acts committed by the terrorist groups in several Syrian cities, particularly the criminal acts against the army, police, law-enforcement, and security forces.

The statement stressed that the Syrian people’s will for reform, which is among the characteristics of modern democratic and civil country where the citizens participate in making political and economic decisions.

The NESSL called upon the Syrian people to be aware and united to prevent Syria’s enemies from taking this opportunity and achieve their ambitions.
The NESSL warned that the popular demand for reform has changed into armed operations of extremist terrorist nature with the aim of undermining Syria’s stability.

National Evangelical Synod of Syria and Lebanon (NESSL) expressed support to the reform program led by President Bashar al-Assad who seeks to build modern democratic Syria and preserve the national unity, denouncing all forms of foreign interference in Syria’s internal affairs.

The statement called upon the churches worldwide to be objective in its view of what is happening in Syria, away from the biased media, and to request their leaders and politicians to support the Syrian people’s interest and not their owns.

being politically naïve, I was one of those who used to dream of a revolution in Syria, not a bloody or sectarian one off course, just a revolution from all people against no one ,but against corruption and backward thinking ,a Science revolution ,a moral revolution ,even a sexual revolution ,in Syria we need many revolutions not only one , I was one of the first to join the Syrian revolution webpage ,I stayed there even when reading the horrendous sectarian comments ,I honestly thought those comments could be from people who are part of groups who want to discredit the webpage , the page that time was called the Syrian day of rage , it did not take me a lot of time to hear the sectarian tone of the uprising ,as MNA said ,in the very early stages we heard the sectarian slogans and the burning HA and Iran flags ,why Hizbullah flag? Why Iran? Yes that time HA did NOT say a word in support of the government nor did Iran, I can not participate in a movement were the main motive to the majority is the sect of the head of the regime ,I don’t know if there is a function on facebook to show old posts and comments filtered by dates but if there is i ask you to invest some time to read both posts and comments specially the last ten days of March and first weeks of April .the sectarianism is not ‘from people here and some people there’ its what this revolution made of and where its heading to, let us not forget the sectarian killings that is still taking place even when the opposition keep repeating slogans such as wahid wahid wahid elsha’ab el souri wahid.

Louai, if any administrator of a Facebook page were to fill their page with sectarian or racist posts, that page would get shut down very quickly. That has not been the case with the Syrian.Revolution and ShaamNews, the two main revolution pages.

And let’s be frank, the so called Syrian Electronic Army have nothing better to do than to post fake comments on revolution websites. Speaking of which, how many times has the Syrian Electronic Army’s own Facebook page been shut down?

@ louai 103
i also joined it( this was back late January/early February) and i saw only 1 sectarian comment….it got me mad but i was proud when people discredited him.
louai…the regime it self is sectarian. i ask you: who controls the security forces?
i have not seen footage of a single anti-regime demonstration using sectarian chants. please anyone provide me with one?
i have personally seen men wielding sticks attacking PEACEFUL protesters in midan.

The Syrian electronic army is a pro-regime webpage , people who go to facebook pages and report them to facebook ,they also leave some comments and go for e-rallies in support to the government ,nothing more nothing less , yes they have frew hackers but nothing worth to mention ,many commentors in here are accused of being from the Syrian electronic army ,we never read any sectarian comment from the pro-stability commenters on this website ,not even the pro-revolution ones ever posted a pure sectarian comment(apart of Abu Umer) ,you always need to read between lines to find the sectarian language used by some of the pro-revolution commentors ,never the pro-government ones.

Some guy in Damascus

we obviously experienced different experience with the same page ,there are videos showing sectarian slogans including picture of Aroor,they were linked on SC before but I am browsing from my mobile and unable to linke them for you ,I am sure some one will post them for you if not I will post them in few hours .
there are people who died purely because of their sect ,I hate to remind you of Nidal Janoud and officer tellawie and his children and three young men in Homes ..i am sure you heard about them as well .

“and three young men in Homes ..i am sure you heard about them as well . ”

Ah yes, the guys who, according to you, were killed because they were organizing a pro-regime rally. Like I mentioned before, there are several problems with your version;

1) No one else in Homs has even heard of this rally that was supposed to be organized. You say it was canceled.

2) What kind of gutless cowards must their friends and families be to cancel a rally those three supposedly died for? Heck, if anything it should have made them more determined to carry it out. It makes more sense to assume there was no such rally planned. Which brings me to…

3) Dude, seriously, this is not Al-Dunya. There are people on the ground in Homs who can, in a moment, expose such BS lines. Everyone and their mother in Homs knows that those three were responsible for numerous opposition deaths over the past weeks. Abu Ali was so far up the shabiha hierarchy, he was like the Al-Capone of Hadara street.

Why do you think the shabiha went on a rampage that day? According to you people, over 700 army and security men have been killed over the past four months, so what made those three so special?

Enough with the sectarian line. The regime would like nothing more to turn this into a sectarian war. News media have been unanimous in their amazement that despite the fact that close to 1,600 opposition members have died, this revolution has by no means taken on sectarian overtones.

And if you are so sure it has, go ahead and link to a sectarian comment made on a reputable revolution website or Facebook page, within the last week. No, within the last two weeks. Ah heck, go ahead and link to anything you want within the past month.

I am one of those people who, just like you and many on this forum, abhors sectarianism and the killing and torture of innocent civilians by anyone, whether it’s the government or the opposition.

I cannot deny that some people have very strong sectarian feelings among people in the opposition. I condem it unequivocally. However, these feelings, for the most part, have been fueled by the sectarian nature of the government.

Prior to the Baath taking over, Syria had a relatively healthy democracy. This is how the Baath managed to spread its ideology. Then, when the opportunity presented itself, the Baath used violence to overthrow the government and turn Syria into a dictatorship. In the process of doing so, Assad and company cleansed the army from Sunni influence and turned it from a nationalistic army into an ideological one with the Alawites controlling it. So when talking about sectarianism, it’s the Baath party that brought this about.

Prior to that, things were a lot better. At one point, Fares al-Khoury, a Christian, became a prime minister and was highly respected. Actually, he was the president for a few days and there no uproar.

To paint the opposition with the sectarian brush is exactly what the government wants to do. I won’t be surprised if I found out that many sectarian comments originate from the Syrian government.

In the not too distant future when history will be rewritten, we’re all going to be shocked at the crimes committed by the Baathi regime against all the Syrian people, including the Alawite community.

I do not hold the Alwite community responsible for what happened. As one of the scholars said, it’s the Baathist policies and the transgression of individuals that I hold responsible.

One final thought. There are a lot of sane voices that can help combat the rising tide of sectarianism, but they have no platform. Some of these voices have been silenced by the government because they’re also very critical of the government. Others are under a lot of pressure and can’t say much. I am talking about a large number of Sunni scholars who have been sidelined.

People like yourself can help by encouraging the government to release all political prisoners and allow people to express their views, however critical of the government, without fearing arrest or persecution. As long as people don’t call to violence and sectarianism, they should be able to say what they want about the government.

It’s about time that the government realizes we live in the 21st century and they cannot stifle the freedom of expression. Before the advent of the Internet, that was possible to a certain extent. Not anymore.

Aboud
It was because you denied the killing of this three young men I asked you never to address me again ,you claimed you live in Homs before , you cant live in Homs and not hearing of their death ,when I posted their death comment and confirmed the Syria-news article from a previous day , you still didn’t hear about them and accused me of spreading lies , when ALL media reported their story including opposition activists ,then you came up with Al capon’s story

The sectarian killing that took place AFTER their death ,started with outraged Alawies attacking Sunnis stores( Za7lawi store for example if you know it) in Al Hadara to take revenge ,then they wanted to move to Babeldreeb to take revenge and here the army interfered but clashes happened and the chaos started ,you yourself posted before about the ‘shabbiha scum’ defeated in Damascus road ,don’t you know that Damascus Road’s inhabitants are manly Alawies so by whom they got defeated in their own areas? off course you know but you were hoping that people in here don’t know ,

The revolutionists, learned that they can not claim to struggle for democracy and chant sectarian slogans at the same time that’s why they tuned it down but its too late ,by now its obvious to all of us ,yes no sectarian slogans last week or month but sectarian killing is still going on .

PS.I cant tell you which rally was cancelled for security reason but the reason it was cancelled is not because their family and friends are cowered as you see them but because Homs was devastated of their death and later the death of 11 others ,then later the sige and the clashes between the army and the terrorists , I am sure you know that the army is every where in Homs and the city started to breath only the last tow days .

The more you post about Homs the more I know you are not there ,that’s why I skip your comments but sometimes its difficult to avoid not to correct to other readers your misleading informations .

Dr Landis or one of the moderators just removed a very touching (pure sectarian, calling Muslims “Satan worshipers” “Anza lovers” and such) comment from a pro-regime (or pro-stability if you like) commentator, just because you miss those “gems” doesn’t mean they’re not there. Islamophobia is very prevalent on this blog just watch the comment section closely for a few days and see for yourself.

Did people get killed because of their sect or because they were part of the shabeeha apparatus responsible for the deaths of hundreds upon hundreds of Syrians since March, and thousands upon thousands over the past 5 decades ?. no one can answer this question because no one knows the truth (the regime has been lying and making up stories for 4 months, using such incidents to promote its narrative is to be expected regardless of what really happened, regardless the official story can’t be trusted and we have to wait for an independent investigation to know the truth about all these incidents). Don’t get me wrong I’m against all extra judicial killing, and against anyone taking the law into their own hands, but in an uprising you can’t take individual incidents and apply them to the population at large. Notice that the alleged “terrorist acts” committed by a few here and there are not sponsored by any opposition movement internally or externally including the most feared MB (they are actually condemned by all), however the acts of the security apparatus are 100% sponsored by the Syrian regime/Assad gang whether they like to admit it or not because they are government employees, these acts are also promoted as heroic acts by the regime propaganda machine. now you tell me which is more dangerous and which is more terrifying, state sponsored terror squads or a few vigilantes here and there ?

Approximately 200 Syrian opposition activists met Wednesday in Istanbul for the first of four planned days of workshops intended to coordinate their efforts against the Syrian regime.

“This will be the seed for future civil society institutions and movements in Syria,” said Moaz Al-Sibaai, the meeting’s general coordinator. He said the goal is “to improve ways to deliver our message to the outside world, ways of documenting human rights violations in Syria and giving coherent political messages.”

The gathering, organized by Syrian Activists Network, is taking place in a hotel on the Asian side of the city.

During the rest of the conference, the participants will attend training sessions and workshops on subjects related to human rights, media, political and strategic issues, as well as relief and coordination efforts. They will work to improve their skills in areas such as how to collect and document evidence, how to deal with the news media, how to build effective work teams and how to provide relief for displaced people.

On Wednesday, the attendees consisted mostly of young adults, some of them from Syria. At the venue, their general mood was enthusiastic, with many expressing optimism they will achieve their goals.

One young female activist, who comes from a long line of Syrian dissidents, said she was thankful for the opportunities presented at the gathering. “I want to attend the media course, I might attend the charity one, but I would be more than happy to join any of them,” she said.

Syrian opposition groups have held a number of meetings in Turkey in recent months. The last one, organized by the Syrian National Salvation Council, took place mid-July in Istanbul. Participants elected a 25-member council in a show of unity behind their intention to oust the regime of President Bashar al-Assad.

“It is not about toppling the regime, we are past that,” said Sima Abedraboh, an organizer and participant at Wednesday’s event. “We are building here, thinking about the future of Syria.”

She predicted this week’s sessions would mark the first of what will become a series of such courses for Syrian activists.

Syria has been wracked by violent government crackdowns on protests across the country since mid-March, when teens were arrested for writing anti-government graffiti in the southern city of Daraa. As the clashes intensified, demonstrators changed their demands, from calls for freedom and an end to abuses by the security forces to calls for the regime’s overthrow.

World powers have criticized the crackdown by al-Assad’s government. The U.S. State Department this week said al-Assad is the “cause” of the country’s “instability” and is not “the key to its stability.”

@110 Oh ho, I loooooove posts like this one. Louai, every single one of your “personal” experiences have been…highly questionable, to put it politely.

“It was because you denied the killing of this three young men I asked you never to address me again”

You can ask all you want, I am under no obligation to oblige you. When you post such obvious untruths, be prepared to be called out. I know it’s a new experience for Baathists.

“don’t you know that Damascus Road’s inhabitants are manly Alawies”

Incorrect. Do you call the area from Abu Laban right up to the Dawar Abu Mouzi (formerly Duwar Al Ra’es hehehehe) full of Alawites? Only someone who doesn’t know a thing about Homs would claim so. Dude, would you even recognize a picture of Damascus road if one was shoved in your….nose?

By the way, the Alawite traders in Al-Hadara are so pissed off at the shabiha scum. The stores that were looted and burned in Hadara belonged to them, and they were renting them out to Sunnis at 50,000 liras a month and up. They won’t be getting such rents any more.

“yes no sectarian slogans last week or month but sectarian killing is still going on .”

So, you haven’t heard any sectarian slogans in the past week or month even? Wow, what a climb down. OK, you have my permission to go further back and look two months ago.

“but because Homs was devastated of their death and later the death of 11 others ”

My God man, our memories are not as short as you’d like it to be. You posted the “it’s canceled” post right after the three Alawites were killed. At the time the killings were still going on. And you expect us to believe that the scum government that last week held a perverted song and dance in Damascus with insensitive singers (one of whom said that junior would be president “until judgement day” *facepalm*) and expensive fireworks, actually has the sensitivity to cancel a pro-junior rally over killings in Homs?

This is the same government that bussed in people into Hama to shout praises for Hafez La3natal Allah 3ala Roho. Your excuses are so thin they could be made into paper airplanes.

“I am sure you know that the army is every where in Homs and the city started to breath only the last tow days .”

Homs was fine in the days immediately after the shabiha rampage. It was only Hadara street that was locked down. The rest of Homs carried on as usual for a while. All of last week there was a massive general strike, with even government departments closed down. I’ve been to Damascus road, Deblan, next to the university and on the corniche, and I did not see one tank or APC, just a few bored looking soldiers.

The new tanks that came with the minister of interior are at the entrances to the Alawite neighborhoods. It’s the government’s way of reassuring them…what’s left of them anyway, half of Hadara street have moved, with their furniture, to the surrounding villages.

“The more you post about Homs the more I know you are not there”

*rolls eyes* Whatever makes you sleep better at night. Seriously, I just know when a Baathist has blown a fuse by the “you aren’t a genuine Homsi!” line. And then they sulk and say they will ignore me.

Every single one of your “personal experiences” have been contradictory, inaccurate and just plain wrong. If you were a witness in a trial, your testimony would have been dismissed as….unreliable.

But hey, keep pretending that I don’t exist, just like Muallem pretends that Europe doesn’t exist 🙂

@116 Welcome to the Great Wall of Wishful Thinking, the second man made object that can be seen from space.

-The Kuwaiti loan was agreed to months before the revolution. It is courtesy of the Kuwait Development Fund for electricity projects.

-Same with the Saudi loan, it was earmarked back in March for development projects. Ar’or continues to give sermons from a Saudi channel, Al-Arabiya haven’t changed their tune, and Syrian dissidents in Saudi are allowed to continue their activities against the regime.

-Junior’s fake reforms only started after a not so subtle push from Turkey, which continues to host meeting after opposition meeting. Most diplomacy happens behind the scenes.

-Numerous and increasing numbers of defections. Junior only has a few units he can rely on, which is why he hasn’t been able to do a Jisr Al Shoghour in Hama, Dayr el Zour and Abu Kamal.

-Point 10 is a bald-faced lie. There are severe restrictions on the exchange and transfer of money abroad. Go ahead, try and transfer as much as $100. I dare you.

-I cannot count the number of lawyer, doctor and university student strikes in Aleppo, and which the shabiha scum have had to severely disperse.

I’m guessing the person who posted this Wall of Fantasy hasn’t read either ICG reports. They are almost enough to make one feel sorry for junior.

Saudi-Iranian detente. Iran knows that Assad is finished, hence it is making nice with its Gulf neighbors. Witness Iranian statements on Bahrain and Kuwait.

At the end of every month, some menhebak lackey will write some article on some obscure website, explaining how the revolution is on its last legs. The reasons become increasingly untenable and whimsical.

I am no expert in the modern History of Syria ,but I think I read some where that France made the Syrian Army mainly from minorities and the army kept like this after them but again I am not sure of that, any way ,I value that you abhor sectarianism and you don’t deny that it dose exist (many others in the opposition know that it dose exist but they do not have your courage )
Now we disagree how big the sectarian factor and who started it but that is not a big deal, you can blame it on the government and I wont disagree with you ,but I hope you agree with me that we are heading to our own death if we don’t start to think of a solution rather than waste our time and energy in proving who started what .

I love to see what happening in Syria as an opportunity, for a better future, I never trusted the government and always considered them absolutely hopeless but not any more , I trust that the government knows that they just can not run things as used to do before March 2011.if I was member of this revolution I would have considered it a success long time ago and start working on rebuild Syria, if reform what was wanted then the opposition should join in even if they don’t trust the government , (they used to get arrested and most of them spent years in prison because of asking for much less than what the government is offering now, )national opposition have the key of the future of Syria ,they should not give the government the credit for the reform ,because as we see the government is going ahead with the reforms and keep calling them to join ,the reform will be cosmetic only if the national opposition don’t contribute specially with the existing of the armed opposition .

Me as a normal citizen all what I want to see tomorrow’s Syria ruled by elected government with opposition that held them accountable for all their mistakes, I like tayeb Tenzini but how can I vote for him if he was not a candidate?

You said ‘People like yourself can help by encouraging the government to release all political prisoners and allow people to express their views, however critical of the government, without fearing arrest or persecution. As long as people don’t call to violence and sectarianism, they should be able to say what they want about the government. ‘
I cant agree more,trust me that what I’d like to be doing now instead of siding the government, I don’t do that because first I trust the government promises that they want to do so .second we don’t know who are those ‘political prisoners ’ the opposition should provide list of some of the names to test the government good intentions ,third the existence of the armed thugs are justifying all the government actions right now ,fourth freedom of speech is much better now than ever ,the government is even encouraging that ,yes not enough but we will get there ,
I most go now but I would love to read your opinion about dialogue, should the opposition talk to the government or not? If not ,what is the alternative?

Pony tail is so happy,all his posts are hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Or hehehehehehehehe
Is that what you should do when you have 2000 syrians dead?
Or may be he is schizophrenic?or may be just having:Hehehaha syndrome?

@120 In your entire post, and in every single one you have made on behalf of junior, you cannot answer a simple question;

Why is Najati Tayari still in jail? Why was he arrested in the first place?

It takes honesty, courage and not a small amount of soul searching to even start to answer that question. I’m not surprised no menhebakite has yet attempted to.

@121 Ah yes, instead we should hold perverted and obscenely expensive music festivals in Damascus, with singers who tell the world that junior will be president unto judgement day. If my reaction to your outlandish posts upset you, then there is a simple solution; stop making such absurd posts.

Or at least think, and ponder a bit, and ask yourself just how ridiculous you sound when you point to a medium sized development loan that was inked months ago, as proof of Kuwaiti and Saudi support for junior.

Brazil, India and South Africa, which have blocked United Nations pressure on Syria’s government to end repression of protesters, will send envoys to Damascus to seek an end to the violence, according to South Africa’s ambassador to the UN.

The three emerging political and economic powers, which in 2003 formed the coalition known as IBSA, plan to send deputy foreign ministers on the mission, according to South African Ambassador Baso Sangqu.

“The goal is to engage Syria, understand where they are, and see if we can assist them to overcome the difficulties they have,” Sangqu said in an interview. The mission expects to be in Damascus soon, he said.

As elected members of the UN Security Council, Brazil, India and South Africa have combined to put off action on a U.S. and European draft resolution condemning the Assad regime’s attacks on anti-government protesters. Western diplomats say that support from the three might dissuade China and Russia from vetoing it.

Activists, analysts and Syrian refugees say the uprising, which has caused a reported 2,000 deaths, will intensify during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, which starts next week. The protesters are calling for democracy and civil rights in a country, ruled by the Assad family for four decades, that has been a key opponent of U.S. and Israeli policy in the Middle East and a power-broker in neighboring Lebanon.

Tally of the Dead

Britain’s Ambassador, Mark Lyall Grant, said the Security Council was told during a closed briefing today that the situation in Syria was “deteriorating.” The U.S., Britain, Colombia, France, Germany, Nigeria and Portugal were among council members calling for action, including a day-by-day tally of deaths read off by France’s Ambassador Gerard Araud.

“I made the case that the Security Council should not remain silent,” Lyall Grant said. UN Under-Secretary-General Lynn Pascoe reported that a “large number of civilians were still being killed by the regime, peaceful protesters were being repressed, the number of refugees is increasing and the number of civilian prisoners in detention is increasing,” Lyall Grant said.

Western powers would like to hear about alternative efforts to end the violence, he said.

Brazil, India and South Africa are aspiring permanent members of the Security Council that have reshaped the political dynamic in the UN’s principal policy making panel.

“The dynamics of the Security Council are not what they used to be,” Portugal’s Ambassador Jose Moraes Cabral said. “There are new forces, different groupings and, of course, one must take account of them.”

The IBSA nations “reflect a view of the world that is different from the American and former colonialist European view, in that they are very prickly about developing-nation sovereignty,” Jeff Laurenti, UN analyst at the New York-based Century Foundation research group, said in an interview.

Aboud&The Angel
Last night Alaroor angel appeared to Aboud while he was sleeping in his apt in the US.
Aroor:are you Aboud,so called pony tail
Aboud:yes master.
A:finally I find you,I was looking all over Homs and I could’t find you,why do you lie and tell SC that you are in Homs?
B:I did not master don’t believe them they are all benhebak.
A:Any way,it took me few days to find you,our IT guy in heaven Mohammad Atta
Gave me your address from your IP address.The kid Atta was sick for a couple of days,I think he just had too much six,can you believe that he got 140 virgins.
B:I am impressed master
A:any way I am sure you know about my grounding machine
B:master,why do you talk about it,I am Sunni .
A:I know I know don’t be a smart ass,pardon me.but I am here because god wants to try his machine on some SC morans.Do you have any suggestions?
B:of course master I know all of them,I will personally put them in the machine for you,hahahahaha
A:shut the f..up.you don’t laugh in front of your master.
B:I am so sorry.
A:look pony tail we have different degrees of grounding here,it is a magnificent machine.we start with extra fine grounding,who do you suggest we use it for?
B:Bisho.
A:good boy.in fact I will not use it until I get my hand on it,and I will put him through it many times,but I am asking about SC.who should use for fine degree?
B:SNK and Samara.
A:ok ,I will put them on the list.
B:I think you should ground all of them except me,Revlon,NK NZ and Shami.
A:what about this girl Tara
B:no master,she is Sunni ,she dos’t like Bisho and you.
A:dos’t like me?
B:yes master that what she said.
A:ok,Hmmmm..you know I will make her راس عصفور
B:what about me master
A:you are ok Aboud,I will put a good word for you with god.you know I will give you some of my virgins.
B:really.
A:yep,I told god I didt want them,he is so strict,I told him I only like men,he was almost going to through me in hell.so I am suffering with these stupid virgins.
B:sorry master. Virgins are ok with me.
A:any way I have to go now otherwise he might give me فلقه,he spends all his day with bin laden now.they both hate me.bin laden tells him that I was the kings puppet and he believes him.I am going now.thanks alot aboodi
B:by aroori.

An entire story about a “grounding” machine? What’s that? Something besho’s five year plan made up? Oh wait, you mean a “grinding” machine. ROFL!!!!!!!! Dude, seriously…?

Misspelled sex, morons (how ironic), doesn’t, didn’t,

I’m amazed you don’t know the difference between throw and through.

You know why I never felt insulted by the Danish cartoons about Mohamad? Because they weren’t in the least bit funny, and some of them were hard to understand. Just like your writing. “Grounding machine” 🙂

@125 Licking each other’s wounds? 🙂 The funniest part about that “story” was that both the writer and reader confused “grounding machine” with “grinding machine”. LOL! 🙂

After reviewing a few pieces of history, I can see why the Sunni’s are upset with Bashar and want America to save them.

How insulting is it that Bashar didn’t even use depleted Uranium on the Sunnis like we did to the Sunnis in Fallujah. Talk about cheap! If Bashar really cared about the Arab youth, he would have found a way to give them cancer. At the very least, some unexploded cluster bombs. Something better than the mundane crowd suppression/police state the Sunnis enjoy in Saudi/Bahrain/Qatar.

And not once has Bashar taken out a wedding party! I mean what says love more than mowing down a bunch of Sunnis on the Western Iraq/Eastern Syrian border in the middle of night after a wedding party? The folks in Maqr Ad Dib still wave the American flag for the love displayed. You know how much love money America paid for the rounds from the C-130 gunship?

I’m sure that’s why the Sunnis are so hip on us Americans. Getting blown up for random reasons by Americans is so wonderful.

No Klue, I don’t mean this as an insult, but do you suffer from dyslexia? I just don’t understand how you can devote so much time to a story, and get the name of the central piece of mechanical machinery wrong.

“Grounding machine”. That’s a classic, I’m going to have so much fun on this forum with that one for weeks to come 🙂

@129 “Getting blown up for random reasons by Americans is so wonderful. ”

I’d rather be blown up at random, than endure the random ramblings of a “Mick” who doesn’t know when to use the terms Sunni’s and Sunnis. If someone had talked about Alawites in this way, the menhebaks would be crapping their baggy black pants.

I am still learning English in the school , even that I make a lot of mistakes I was NEVER and I mean NEVER corrected from some one apart of my teacher ,its very rude in the western culture to correct someone English specially if its not his first language ,the fact that Aboud is correcting SNK English shows his lack of wit and manners ,I wouldn’t blame him because SNK wit is difficult to compete with , and all what he can do is ,correcting his misspellings ,that add more hummer to the Story.

Dear NK @111
I haven’t seen that comment but its good it was removed, I don’t claim that the pro-regime are never sectarian but I just did not notice this (apart of Afram who I don’t even know if he is pro-regime)
Correct if iam worng Islamophobia is prejudice against, hatred or fear of Islam or Muslims ,I don’t remember reading any islamophobic comment in here (apart of Afram again) but yes there are many including and mainly Muslims who fear Islamists ,that dose not make them sectarians

You said ‘Did people get killed because of their sect or because they were part of the shabeeha apparatus responsible for the deaths of hundreds upon hundreds of Syrians since March, and thousands upon thousands over the past 5 decades ?.’

I’m sorry but I think that was a sectarian phrase ,those people who died are not part of shabbiha who murdered Syrians over the past 5 decades ,actually none of them is more than 40 years old ,Nidal Jannod for example was not ‘shabbih’ he was just Alawi passing by ,I do not believe his killing was part of organised ethnic cleansing strategy but it was resulted of Alawiphobia which dose exist ,not in a small number in this uprising
Look at the term ‘shabbiha’ all Syrians know that there are no such people ,shabbiha are bodyguards of some important people and usually abuse their employers power (with or without his knowledge to smuggle or do any other dirty job) they do exist in all corrupted society .
The opposition needed something equivalent to Baltagya in Egypt so they created this phenomena called shabbiha to justify any incident or attack on the army the police or the security forces ,as the death of shabbih is easier to accept by the public and by them .
Abudi even think they are an official organization and they are on strike according to his link 🙂

So “shabbiha” are phenomena, phantoms, imaginary bogeymen. Thanks for clearing that up, dude. Excuse me while I dash off to phone the families of the victims in Daraa and tell them it was not the shabbiha that murdered their loved ones. I’m sure they’ll be thrilled…

“shabbiha” must be phantoms, to be every where every time ,they kill solders and protestors at the same time and they go to demonstrate in millions to support the president appearing as normal people ,they can fight in Dar’a and Jisr el shoughor no problem ,Halab and Damascus want to revolt but shabbiha outnumbered them ,
By the way shabbiha are ghosts, for those who don’t know the meaning of the word ,Shabah means ghost .

Shabeeha did not come from Shabah (ghost), it came from Tashbeeh which came from combining two words (1990 Mecedez 300 a.k.a shabah) and (Drifting a.k.a Tashfeet). It’s a word originally used to describe armed thugs mainly in the coastal region (Jameel and Munzer among a few more Assads) who used to ride these cars and terrorize the public wherever they passed. Of course being members of the royal family they had a free pass to do all kind of criminal activities without having to worry about any legal ramifications. These days the same word is used to describe the regime armed thugs who beat and torture peaceful demonstrators all over the country, anyways for you to understand the meaning of this word you first have to acknowledge that there are peaceful demonstrators and they are getting harassed, beaten and killed by government thugs !.

By the way, those attending regime support rallies are not called shabeeha, they’re called menhebakjeyeh. ask SNK to explain that one, he loves to talk about zombies. Oh and one last thing, the western online community thrives on policing the spelling/grammar of online posts, I’m not sure where you got the idea that it’s rude to point out the mistakes someone makes especially when that said person is trying to be a smartass.

Uh yeah, I love correcting menhebak spelling mistakes, because I find it an incredible coincidence that most of the menhebakites seem to have the same crappy level of English, and make the same mistakes in their spelling. So in addition to No Klue’s “grounding machine”, you seem to be adding 4×4 vehicles to stories…hummer? 🙂

Or is it humor? Dude, you people don’t need someone to check your spelling, you need a full blown translator.

“The opposition needed something equivalent to Baltagya in Egypt so they created this phenomena called shabbiha to justify any incident or attack on the army the police or the security forces ,as the death of shabbih is easier to accept by the public and by them .”

Is this a joke? An attempt at bad “hummer”? So according to you, the shabiha scum don’t even exist? I’ll save this statement of yours, as evidence of your already appallingly low credibility.

And you still haven’t even begun to answer my one simple question. The one question that no menhebakite on this forum dare tackle, because it clearly and unequivocally brings the whole junior-as-a-reformer facade crashing down.

Why was Najati Tayara arrested? And why is he still in jail?

No, menhebaks would rather post comments with a 6th grade level of spelling about “grounding machines”, and lick each others wounds with consolations that they have “great hummer”. And post fake videos about Bouti.

Amazing, all the whining the menhebaks do about supposedly fake videos, and they get caught in the biggest fake of all. Am I the only one who regards it as rather…sad?

Dear NK
On shabbiha
‘it came from Tashbeeh which came from combining two words (1990 Mecedez 300 a.k.a shabah) and (Drifting a.k.a Tashfeet). It’s a word originally used to describe armed thugs mainly in the coastal region (Jameel and Munzer among a few more Assads) who used to ride these cars and terrorize the public wherever they passed. Of course being members of the royal family they had a free pass to do all kind of criminal activities without having to worry about any legal ramifications.’

thank you ,those are the shabbiha , every one hated them ,one must give some credit to Bashar who put an end to them or at least made them a tiny minority ,shabbiha were the worst product of oppression and corruption and every single Syrian hated them ,that’s why labeling the security forces and the army of being shabbiha is a huge moral downfall

many people in here acused the supporters on rallies of being shabbiha or forced by shabbiha to attended pro-government rallies ,I am happy that we got them another name now ‘menhbakjyah’at least its acknowledgement that the government dose have supporters ,its a good start to acknowledge each other .
And what with the minhbak thingy? I mean who are they those people who loves their president that much even if he was the source of all evil?
How you ,as an opposition member, explain their existence in this huge number?dose it mean any thing you that the menhbak group are too many to be ignored by an opposition who claims to be democratic?
Do all those menheback give any legitimacy to basher even after Hillary and shimon peres took it away from him?

Gay guy in Homs, Aboudi
you have good command on English but not good command on your attitude, Zionists in this blog always jump to the discussion to divert it to endless and empty ones ,so they waste our energy and time in answering them ,but they do it with some class and manners, you do it in a shameless way, you spread your lies as trusted news, then you keep on repeating them over and over, then you refer to them as if they were common knowledge and you don’t care that the very people you are spreading your lies about ,are the majority of your audience ,but you don’t care ,you care about spreading propaganda. i like my homsi people’s way of describing people like you( edited for insult) they say about you as well (edited for insult)
if somebody confronted you, straight away you start to harass him and even bully him as a typical spoiled brat .
you invented a new way to divert the discussions ,correcting other people’s English and Laugh about it ,do you notice that you are the only one who laugh? Writing haaaa heeee all over the place is not the smartest way to make your witless jocks any funnier. Please keep correcting my English, at least i can get something useful from your posts ,i am serious about this one ,you will be doing me a big favour as i am paying alot of money for an intensive English course ,i wouldn’t mind if you laugh ,i can laugh with you as well .
you kept harassing me about Najati Tayara till i had to call my friend who to works in al amn al seyasi and he told me why he got arrested and why he is still there ,i promise you to tell you exactly what he told me if you answer my question ,why officer Tellawi was killed with his tow sons and his nephew ? why the other 3 officers who killed in the same week in Homs were mutilated and officer Tillawi was not mutilated?

“At 04:00 am on Friday, some citizens heard an explosion near a pipeline for transporting crude oil to Banyias”, Governor of Homs, Ghassan Abdel al-Aal said in a statement to SANA Correspondent.

The Governor added that the terrorist and sabotage act targets two vital sectors at the same time as the saboteurs chose a point near Tal Hosh Dam which irrigates large areas of the agricultural lands.

The saboteurs committed their act with the intent to cause serious damages and losses through disrupting the irrigation operations and polluting the water of the dam and its channels, he said.

Abdel al-Aal indicated to the governorate’s efforts and procedures to stop the oil spill and prevent its spreading into the water of Tal Hosh Dam.

For his part, Head of Water Resources Directorate in Homs, Tammam Ra’ad, said this terrorist act is deliberate and well-planned, particularly in terms of the damages as the Dam irrigates 6000 hectares of agricultural land in Homs and Tartous provinces with a storage capacity of 53 million cubic meters.

He added that the Directorate took all procedures necessary to prevent the spilled oil from reaching the supply channels and cut off water supply to the farmers’ lands.

Director General of the Syrian Crude Oil Transport Company, Numeer Makhlouf, said that the Company stopped pumping oil through the targeted pipeline and shifted it to another pipeline.

He indicated that the targeted pipeline transports oil from the oil fields in Deir Ezzor and the Euphrates region to Banyias to meet the refinery needs while the oil surplus is exported.

Last Saturday, a group of saboteurs targeted a train in al-Soda area in Homs at 03:00 am while it was traveling from Aleppo to Damascus with the aim of derailing the train to fall off the bridge into the Orontes River and killing the 500 passengers onboard. The accident resulted in the martyrdom of the driver and several injuries among its passengers.

Generally, one would so pedantic and constantly pick on silly things such as spelling mistakes or grammar, when they do not have a sensible argument to put forward or are trying to cover up for this terrorist revolutions actions and have nothing to say when faced with the facts of the terrorism that is evident. You demonise others, while you excuse the killings of the terrorists affiliated with this ‘revolution’ and brush off their insurgencies.
As for fake videos, we all know there are piles upon piles of fabricated videos courtesy of the revolution. This terrorist revolution, from the beginning stooped to the lowest of low. Defend this farce of a ‘revolution’ that supports murders and mutilations, destruction of infrastructure and insurgencies, one that condones violence directly after prayer but doing it by attempting to belittle people with attacks at their use of the English language is childish.

If this ‘revolution’ is for the better of Syria as the ‘revolutionists’ claim, why are the terrorists blowing up oil pipelines, which, along with all the other crimes they are committing under the banner of a revolution, against Syria and it’s people only serves to destroy the country, not reform or better the country.

Which is indicative that some on this website can’t handle pro-Israelis, because the message is innocuous (harmless).

Anyway, I enjoyed the pics from the housing demonstrations. I had the impression the economy in Israel is doing OK. Perhaps that’s relative. I guess wages in Israel still make it impossible to save for a house or apartment? What are your thoughts on this?

Otherwise, selling tents looks like a good business to be in!

Zionists in this blog always jump to the discussion to divert it to endless and empty ones

Louai,

May I ask you a few simple questions related to today’s crisis in Syria?

– Do you support President Assad and would you like to see him continue to be president?

– How long should Syrians live without basic human rights such as freedom of speech and the right to vote?

– How many innocent people to you think the Syrian government killed in the past half year?

Shukran,

AP

PS – Your english is more than good; I make plenty of mistakes myself. We care about the ideas, not the spelling mistakes.;)

I believe the opposition move does not have enough blood vessels to suvive. This statement is an admit by the opposition and biased media that the revolution is in the death mode. Again this Friday they want the people to come out of their silence but again a shyful friday by all means. The majority of Syrians are not supporting this small MB infested, Alqaeda supported syrian opposition

Israeli Occupation Authorities Prepare for Building Racial Wall in the Occupied Syrian Golan

Jul 29, 2011

Golan, (SANA)-Israeli occupation authorities prepare for building a cement wall in the occupied Syrian Golan to separate Majdal Shams town from the suburb of al-Oude and the liberated Ain al-Tinah site.

The wall is due to be constructed in September, before going to the UN to get the recognition of the Palestinian State in a move that violates the international legitimacy laws.

Sources in the occupied Golan clarified that the length of the Israeli racial wall is 4 km with 8 meters height.

This act adds to a series of criminal acts carried out by the Israeli entity inside the occupied Syrian Golan in a flagrant violation of the international law and legitimacy resolutions which consider the Golan as an occupied Syrian Arab land which is subjugated to the international legitimacy resolutions.

Those measures come within a series of the provocative occupation practices against the Syrian citizens, captives and detainees as well as the farms which are exposed to pollution and looting.

358 More Citizens Return Home from Turkish Camps, Making a Total of 11000

Jul 28, 2011

IDLEB, (SANA) – Over 11000 citizens have now returned to their towns and villages in the city of Jisr al-Shughour from the Turkish camps, who were forced to flee their homes by the armed terrorist groups, including the 358 returnees who came back over Tuesday and Wednesday through al-Hassanieh border point.

“The truth was finally revealed to the city’s residents and it has now become hard to believe the lies about homes being destroyed and the absence of security which, we are sure now, are mere rumors and completely false and untrue,” said As’ad al-Bustani, one of the returnees, in a statement to SANA.

He added that he was forced to leave his home and village along with the majority of the city’s citizens because of fear of the armed groups and their acts which spread panic all over the area.

Al-Bustani’s wife expressed gratitude to the Syrian army for restoring security and stability to their city.

Citizen Mousa Haj Mousa, who returned with 47 members of his family, told SANA that they were exposed to all forms of threats, lies and material attractions to stay in the Turkish camps, stressing their refusal to be used as tools of pressure on their country through staying at the camps.

Mousa and his family expressed rejection of any foreign interference in Syria’s internal affairs and stressed national unity among the Syrian people.

Mohammad Arab Hamada, a citizen from al-Soda village stressed the importance of exposing the false media reports and biased news of some tendentious media which contributed to convincing the Syrian families to stay in the Turkish camps that long.

Dr. Subahi al-Hamdo, in charge of the popular committees coordinating the citizens’ return, said all the families who were in the Turkish Baqshin camp returned home, pointing out that the Turkish Red Crescent removed all the tents at the camp.

Bashar is a useless husband. Asma should divorce him and find herself a nicer guy. It is almost August. She can’t go anywhere. She can’t eat out. Only take out I guess. She is probably going to miss the fall collection. No new wardrobe. She can still shop on line as long as she finds a free shipping free refund site. Her kids already carrying a legacy of a murderer dad and a murderer grandpa. People already comparing her with Imelda Marcos. I don’t think that was fair. And worst, she gonna end up in a trendy neighborhood in Tehran wearing the…niqab. I hope it is not too hot in Tehran.

Abdel Fattah Younes has been subject of much scrutiny and scepticism among anti-Gaddafi Libyans.

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Possible scenarios

Several theories about Younes’s death were circulating among the Libyan community and observers on Thursday night.

Gaddafi had placed a multi-million dollar bounty on Younes’s head after his defection, which could have been reason alone for the assassination.

Then there was the possibility that he had been involved in a confrontation with rebel officials after being recalled from the front lines by the NTC for investigation. Some believed he had been shot after tensions flared at a meeting between the two sides, though Jalil’s claim that Younes had been killed after being released from an interrogation seemed to belie that.

Finally, some believed, it was possible that Younes had been targeted for assassination by a rival, perhaps even Hifter. There was no proof to support the accusation, but it reflected a fear among Libyans in the opposition that political machinations had gotten dangerously out of control.

Younes’s home was under heavy armed guard on Thursday evening, and some Libyan activists expressed fear that his tribe, the Obeidat, would seek retribution for his killing.

Asma is the daughter of a consultant cardiologist and a retired diplomat, a Sunni family of Syrian origin.
Asma grew up in Acton .
She finished her schooling in London, attended King’s College London and graduated in 1996 with a Bachelor of Science in Computer Science and a Diploma in French Literature.

After university, Asma started work at Deutsche Bank Group in the Hedge Fund Management division with clients in Europe and the Far East.
In 1998, she joined the Investment Banking division of J.P. Morgan, specializing in mergers and acquisitions for biotechnology and pharmaceutical companies.

Asma is the daughter of a consultant cardiologist and a retired diplomat, a Sunni family of Syrian origin.
Asma grew up in Acton .
She finished her schooling in London, attended King’s College London and graduated in 1996 with a Bachelor of Science in Computer Science and a Diploma in French Literature.

After university, Asma started work at Deutsche Bank Group in the Hedge Fund Management division with clients in Europe and the Far East.
In 1998, she joined the Investment Banking division of J.P. Morgan, specializing in mergers and acquisitions for biotechnology and pharmaceutical companies.

If you want religious programing you have now tens of religious tv stations broadcasting 24/7. They have a booming business these days.

Syrian TV should become a true secular TV where anyone who does not want to hear anything religious would be able to go.

Children would grow to be good citizens if they brush religion aside that they are fed through deception as we are witnessing. This brainwashing need to stop and some secular minds need to step up and make a real TV station that care less about religion.

DAMASCUS, July 29 (Xinhua) — Thousands of anti-government protestors poured down the streets in some Syrian cities Friday for a new round of protests.

The state television said the protests erupted Friday in areas including the flashpoint cities of Homs and Hama and some suburbs of the northern city of Idleb. The private Sham FM radio said thousands of people staged a protest in Hama’s main Assi square.

The state TV reporter in the southern city of Daraa, the epicenter of protests, disputed what al-Jazeera TV reported as large protests in the area and that Syrian security forces fired at demonstrators in the al-Sabeel neighborhood in Daraa. It showed live footage of the area which seems empty with no signs of protests.

The TV said armed men are firing bullets and hand-made sticks of dynamite at the law-enforcement members in the coastal city of Latakia, injuring one.

Meanwhile, al-Jazeera said a massive protest took place in the city’s main Assi square. Online footage showed a huge number of people gathered at the square, calling for the downfall of the leadership.

According to activists, many anti-government protesters recently chose to hold overnight protests in several cities, aiming for a time when the security presence thins out.

Abdul-Karim al-Rihawi, head of the Syrian League for Human Rights, told Xinhua earlier that security forces were conducting a “pre-emptive campaign” before the start of Muslims’ holy month of Ramadan, while some opposition parties said they would demonstrate daily during Ramadan to increase pressure on the government.

The Syrian crisis has drawn increasing international pressure. The European Union governments agreed Thursday in principle to extend sanctions against the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad over the alleged crackdown on protestors by security forces.

Under Thursday’s agreement, five more people will be targeted with restrictions such as asset freeze and travel ban. If approved by the EU envoys, the sanctions would come into effect early next week.

Earlier Friday, the state TV said saboteurs hit an oil pipeline with an explosive device in the Talkalakh town near the Tal Hosh Dam, causing a leak of oil and a 10-meter deep crater. It said the saboteurs aimed to contaminate the dam’s water with oil to ruin nearby agricultural crops.

Friday’s attack came one week after saboteurs caused a passenger train carrying 480 people to derail in Homs, said the state TV.

Syria has blamed the four-month unrest on armed gangs and religious extremists looking to stir up sectarian strife in the country, and stressed that it would track those who have intimidated people and damaged public and private properties.

Tsk tsk…homosexual slurs? I thought you people were all about “secularism”. That’s all I’ve heard from you people over the last week, secular this and secular that. Turns out you are as intolerant as the MB.

Not that I’m gay, just ask any number of chicks at Hadara street. That place was so easy to pick up girls, it’s the one thing I miss in all this. And just when they started to wear their summer shorts. Darn 🙂

“i like my homsi people’s way of describing people like you (جلدة طيزو ع وجهو 🙂 ) or they say about you as well متل الكلسون مابينطلع فيك :)”

And this is the same person who cried and called me “rude” when I pointed out his atrocious spelling mistakes. You understand why I do so, of course? Because I find it amazing that most of the menhebaks who are, or have been, on this website seem to have the same level of English. It tells me we aren’t dealing with a widespread and representative sample of Syrians living abroad, but at best a small clique of Besho Lovers all crowding the same computer.

“Please keep correcting my English, at least i can get something useful from your posts”

Dude, whoever has been teaching you English is ripping you off. I’ve never lived in the USA or Canada, and yet I speak and write English as a first language. You want to know how? Like I keep telling my relatives, learning a language isn’t about sitting one’s butt in a classrom 6 hours a week, and then not practicing a word outside it.

The next time you and your friends get together to fawn over junior’s picture, do so in English. Ignore the subtitles on MBC 4, and listen only. Don’t speak a word of anything but English, and avoid people whose English is worse than yours (not too hard a challenge, I think).

“why officer Tellawi was killed with his tow sons and his nephew?”

You are despicable. Truly and utterly contemptible. First, you will refer to the deceased by his full name and rank, General Abdulkhudar Al-Tellawi.

Second, how dare you use his gruesome killing to score cheap political points. You care nothing for his abhorrent murder. Only now do you bring it up. The manner of his death shook all of Homs, it was terrorism in every meaning of the word.

So kindly tell your inept, incompetent “friend” in al Amin Al seyasi (who seems to keep bizarre hours, since it would have been early morning on a Friday when you supposedly contacted him) to take that plastic metal piece he uses to drink mahti out of his ass, and arrest the people responsible. Because it is inconceivable that after the way Homs has been flooded with security men these past four months, the perpetrators have STILL not been caught.

Buy hey, those idiots at Amin al Seyasi are great at picking up people like Mahmoud Issa, a well known activist who was arrested for speaking to a satellite channel about General Tellawi’s murder and that of his relatives. Oh, and the arrest came the day after the State of Emergency was supposedly lifted by that pseudo-president of yours.

Now, I see none of you have, as always, begun to even address the question of Najati Tayara, with the exception of the SANA spam-bot at #143. This is his delicious reply

“I went to great length to get
ONE official answer from a trusted source in the Ministry of Justice:”

Great lengths? You didn’t go and ask that bimbo Reem Hadad (aka Comical Sally), did you? She didn’t even know that Syria had arrested an al-Jazeera journalist of Iranian origin. So, according to you, Najati Tayara doesn’t even exist?

See people, this is the kind of mentalities we have to deal with. Israelis, consider yourselves lucky you only have to interact with them once every few years in half-hearted “peace negotiations”

@139 “Saboteur Groups Target Oil Pipline in Tal Kalakh, Homs”

Telkelakh has been under full military occupation for two months now. It is impossible to get in or out of it without going through several checkpoints. Kindly explain the feasibility of blowing up a pipeline there, when the area has been filled to the brim by security men and shabiha scum from the surrounding villages for 2 months.

Amir @ 140 “Guys, Please stop the personal insults. I don’t like it.”

No, I want them to keep the insults flowing. There is no better indication that they have reached rock bottom, and are still shoveling, than to be called gay. But I have yet to be called a gay Zionist. That would be an epic win. Still trying. Maybe I’ll be obliged by the guy who invented the “grounding machine” LOL!

You see, I’ve noticed it usually only takes a few days between them insulting me, them getting slapped by the censor, and their eventual departure for greener, more menhebak friendly pastures 🙂

The level of violence by the “سلميا” phonies is growing by the day; blowing up oil pipelines, stabbing policemen, kidnapping officials, etc.. Their cover is blown now, and their support is dwindling, as would be expected. Their determination to control Syria or destroy it trying has exposed their ugly nature.

I hope the secularists in the opposition are waking up now to realize that they have allied themselves with a bunch of Saudi Wahabbies whose loyalty is only to Mecca. Nothing good ever came out of Saudi Arabia. Just imagine what that country would be like without the oil…

The United Nations-backed international tribunal set up to bring to justice those responsible for the 2005 assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri and others on Friday published the identities, photographs, and background information of four suspects named in the indictment, issued on June 28.

The Special Tribunal for Lebanon splashed photographs and detailed information on its website about the personal history of the four suspects — identified as Salim Jamil Ayyash, Mustafa Amine Badreddine, Hussein Hassan Oneissi and Assad Hassan Sabra.

The men range in age from 36 to 50. The published information includes the names of their parents, their passport and social security numbers, and their last known addresses.

[…] Correction: in my last post, I highlighted a video of Imam Buti being supposedly “expelled” from his mosque. This turned out to the a faked video. He was not expelled. Read the correction I place above the video. […]

The Syrian secularists need to look at Egypt today and see how the Islamists in that country are hijacking that revolution with their Islamist slogans and unmistakable agenda for a Taliban like Egypt…

Now that the Mubarak regime is gone, new sub-revolutions are erupting in Egypt. The Islamists no longer have any use for the secularists, who actually started the revolution and paid for it with their blood, so they are turning against them. The MBs and Salafists are now taking off their masks and exposing their true intention for Egypt, an Islamic republic with Shariaa law. The secularists may very well lose this fight, as they are outnumbered, unless the military intervenes which I think it will.

Live and learn, and be careful what you wish for…

From BBC News:
Egypt uprising: Islamists lead Tahrir Square rally

Tens of thousands of people have packed Cairo’s Tahrir Square, after the first call by Islamist leaders for nationwide demonstrations since President Hosni Mubarak was overthrown in February.

The demonstrators – dominated by Muslim Brotherhood supporters – are calling for an Islamic state and Sharia law.

Correspondents say the rallies will be a worrying development for secularists.

The Brotherhood is the most organised political force in Egypt, although it was not prominent in the revolution.

Tensions have been running high between Egypt’s Islamist and secular groups, who are at odds over the transition to democracy in the Arab world’s most populated country.

Turning point?

Liberal groups first want guarantees of a constitution that will protect religious freedom and personal rights, whereas Islamists want speedy elections and a recognition of Islam – in one form or another – in the new Egyptian state.

Now, the Islamists want their voice to be heard and are showing their muscle for the first time since Mr Mubarak stepped down on 11 February, says the BBC’s Jon Leyne in Cairo.

Although the Muslim Brotherhood – Egypt’s oldest political party – can turn out huge crowds by rallying its supporters at mosques, it does not necessarily represent the majority of Egyptians and is predicted to win around 20% of the vote in an election, our correspondent says.

There was little sign of any secular groups at Friday’s rally, he says, adding that it will be interesting to see how they re-group after today’s events.

Since early July, the mainly secular protesters had camped out in Tahrir Square – the epicentre of protests that toppled Mr Mubarak – to denounce the ruling military council over the slow pace of reform.

Islamist groups had for the most part stayed away from the sit-in. Last week, they held their own demonstration and accused the Tahrir protesters of going against the country’s “Islamic identity”, the AFP news agency reports.

But with Islamists and the more conservative Salafist groups now filling Tahrir Square, it could mark a turning point in Egypt’s post-revolution period, our correspondent says.

Keep drinking your Ad-Dunya, Der Sturmer, koolaid. It is thugs like you who ignore the killing of tens of thousands by your regime. You want to kill and the people to smile at you? The regime is the one that started the killing, not the protestors. You menhebek khanazeer better be careful what you wish for

@164 I’m not surprised no Baathist wants to go near that hot potato. His imprisonment puts the lie to every propaganda piece produced on Bashshashararar Al-Fassad’s behalf (I’m guessing you got no problem in recognizing who I’m talking about there, do you?).

By the way, what’s a Spamcop? Is it some sort of new electronic mukhabarat that you use on this forum?

Once again, I’ll repeat the question, in small words so the menhebaks can understand.

This site’s comment section has turned into a two circle jerking groups .

TO the pro-revolution commentators:
You’ve been debating the menhebakites pointlessly for months . i suggest you stop that and focus more on how can you advance the revolution ,how can you attract the minorities to your side , to freely criticize some aspect of the revolution without fearing that some menhebakite will hold it against you.
Four months are enough!!!!We don’t need another facebook

In Homs at least, today was a terrific day. As I understand it, there was one case of a wounded protestor (not seriously), and so far no deaths.

Having the Minister of Interior here is almost as good has getting Ambassador Ford, apparently. It proves that when the security forces need to be reigned in, they can be. There was nothing different about the demonstrations this Friday than the ones before it. The only thing that changed was the security forces’ response to them.

“National Evangelical Synod of Syria and Lebanon (NESSL) expressed support to the reform program led by President Bashar al-Assad who seeks to build modern democratic Syria and preserve the national unity, denouncing all forms of foreign interference in Syria’s internal affairs.”

“The Synod condemned the killing, terrifying and sabotage acts committed by the “terrorist groups” in several Syrian cities, particularly the criminal acts against the army, police, law-enforcement, and security forces”.

The statement sets a serious / dangerous precedent in the long history of Muslem-Christian peaceful co-existance in Syria.

The Synod has moved from undeclared neutrality and support of peaceful change to unabashed support of the regime that was declared illegitimate by the demonstrators.

By naming the alleged ”terrorist groups” as the source of violence in this uprising and failing to acknowledge Jr’s responsibility for the thousands of abductions, torture, and killing of men, women and children, the Synod has proven themselves as either notoriously misinformed or plain complacent.

By supporting the aggressor in this crisis, the Synod will be viewed by the rising people as a party to the ongoing aggression.

Very well said. I was personally surprised with their line. It is indeed a backward step of how they are going to be viewed by mainstream majority. I always thought there was a nice coexistence. It is really shameful attitude.

138. Dear louai
You said to Aboud:
“you kept harassing me about Najati Tayara till i had to call my friend who to works in al amn al seyasi and he told me why he got arrested and why he is still there”

This is very interesting!
With one phone call to a friend in Amn Siyasi, you were able to know the whereabouts of and the charges against Mr Najati Tayyara!
I am wondering whether you cared to ask whether he was being treated decently!

What gives you such a privilege over his children and wife who have been denied any information about him?
Let me help you out here!
Regardless of whether you are Mukhabarat or an informant thereof, your only privilege is your sect!

You are a privileged part of this sectarian machine of torture and killing.
Enjoy it while it lasts.

Revlon @ 174 “With one phone call to a friend in Amn Siyasi, you were able to know the whereabouts of and the charges against Mr Najati Tayyara!”

Revlon, this guy is full of crap. Just another shabeha scum wannabe. How many menhebaks have we seen on this forum claim to have relatives in Syria or special ties or special sources or a direct mind meld with Buthaina Sha’aban etc etc etc. They have all turned to be less than nothing.

This guy’s own “personal” experiences have all turned out to be contradictory, full of holes, and just not grounded in reality. He needs a “grounding machine”.

Syrian Hamster, it’s not like I want to play the role of grammar police, but how is it possible that almost every single menhebakite on this forum seems to make the same spelling and grammatical mistakes? The odds of that happening should be…remote.

A major defection has taken place and a significant move twords the formation of the Future Syrian Army has been announced.

The announcement of the formation of the Free Syrian Army (FSA) in the presence of seven defecting officers:

Some observations on the the officers appearing in this video:
First: Their uniform tells that they are either special forces or Republican guards. If so, the prediction that Qasha3ami made in his last video, that I linked was true.

Second: The name of the appointed acting commander in chief tells that he is very likely a 3alawi officer.

They named several of their units after martyrs of the Syrian revolution.

Third: here is a summary of the announcement:
– Caveats of defection
– Objectives
To work with the people to down the system.
To protect the people from the armored killing machine of the system
– Call all members of the Syrian army to defect and join the FSA
– We hereby declare that all security forces attacking civilians are from now on justified targets to be neutralized by FSA.
– We call all opposition forces to unite

– The statement is hereby Signed by
Acting Commander in Chief of the FSA: Colonel(3aqeed) Riyad AlAs3ad

by calling you that I ‘m not referring to your sexual orientation, I am not interested of that ,just for the record my best friend is gay . I was referring to your credibility ,didn’t you hear of the Gay Girl in Damascus ? or sure you forgot she {he} ever existed in Damascus ,just like all other lies and fabrications coming from this revolution ,keep hiding behind your finger and pretend no one can see you .

What the different between you and Aroor? a year a go he was asked by a homophobic on live on TV if he was a bisexual ,Aroor answered him angrily ,’ok give me some Shiite girl and we will see if she will get pregnant or not ,,that how ignorant and savage he is, but he is still fa7el ,just like you in Al Hadara street.

‘Not that I’m gay, just ask any number of chicks at Hadara street. That place was so easy to pick up girls, it’s the one thing I miss in all this. And just when they started to wear their summer shorts. Darn ‘
All of you who don’t know , Al Hadara street is an Alawite majority with some Christians , his perception to women who wear shorts as easy to ‘pick up’ show us only his sick sectarian mind.

Ok now I know where you got your good English from, ‘from watching MBC 4 without subtitles,’ thanks for the advice, but can you tell me as well where did you get your good knowledge of Israeli celebrities? MBC 4 as well? (you are now a gay Zionist 😉 )

Dear Revlon @ 174 ,

even Aboudi could understand that I didn’t actually call my friend and I actually know where this guy Najati is , he kept on asking about a guy no one apart of the opposition ‘activists’ ever heard about him before, and whom he is asking ? people who most of them live outside Syria ,what answer you want me to give him?
I am sorry that you think belonging to some sects and knowing some on Mukhabarat give you access to such sensitive information, and how stupid my friend needs to be to pass this information over the phone and confirm the opposition accusations?
what his point from the question by the way? We know that there are many ‘activists’ in prison, why he keep asking about this guy in particular, I don’t really know.

when Amir in tel aviv posted the video from Jisr Al shoughur as if it was happened in Homs in the military school ,he condemned the act and called for investigation ,for him that was a turning point ,but later when the reality of this video truned to be Syrian soldiers killed by Aboudis friends in Jisr Al shougur ,he kept silent ,sadly, just like most of the revolutionists in here .

I don’t really like to engage in such kind of conversations ,but the problem is, he keeps on spreading his lies and spam , he really needs a full time Mukhabarat just to clean up his mess , I have another Homsi saying about that الف مبخر ما بيلحقو ع طراط I just don’t have the time for this , but I will try every time on my spare time .

@184 It’s just one climb down after another with every post you make. If you were a credit rating, you couldn’t get a loan to fill up your car with gas.

“by calling you that I ‘m not referring to your sexual orientation, I am not interested of that ,just for the record my best friend is gay . I was referring to your credibility ,didn’t you hear of the Gay Girl in Damascus ? ”

Everyone on this forum knew what you meant by calling me gay. Stop backtracking, be a man, and admit it. You find me hawt.

“All of you who don’t know , Al Hadara street is an Alawite majority with some Christians , his perception to women who wear shorts as easy to ‘pick up’ show us only his sick sectarian mind.”

There are some places, in every city, where guys and girls go to meet other guys and girls (I mean guys go to meet girls and vice versa you sickos). Hadara is one such place. Alawites may live there, but in the evening it used to be full of visitors from all over Homs, until the shabiha scum trashed the place. When it comes to girls, I’m as equal as the next dude, don’t care who she prays to, hehehehehe.

But thanks for that insightful look into your mind, where you “read between the lines” to catch sectarian slurs. It turns out you are quite paranoid. Who would have guessed *sarcasm*

“but can you tell me as well where did you get your good knowledge of Israeli celebrities?”

Extensive study of….Google search results. Dude, seriously, how hard do you think it is to put “sexy israeli actress” or “israeli super model” into a search engine? Oy Vey!

😉

“even Aboudi could understand that I didn’t actually call my friend and I actually know where this guy Najati is”

Yet another climb down. You’ve come so far down your mountain, you’ve hit the base of it and have started digging your way to China.

“he kept on asking about a guy no one apart of the opposition ‘activists’ ever heard about him before”

Just because you haven’t heard of him, doesn’t mean no one else has. He is a highly prominent activist who knew he was being watched, yet courageously told the world of the barbaric incursion of the mukhabarat into Baba Amr. As long as he stays in jail, junior can take his offers of dialogue and shove it.

“but later when the reality of this video truned to be Syrian soldiers killed by Aboudis friends in Jisr Al shougur”

The story of Jisr Al Shoghour is very inspiring. How a funeral for brave demonstrators was itself shot up by the shabiha scum, hiding in a police station, and how units from the army broke away to protect those civilians and take out those dogs.

My friends? I would be proud and privileged to call such people my friends. We are known and measured by the friends we keep, and it is all too apparent what odious and despicable company you have chosen to align yourself with. Scum who steal ambulances to shoot up funerals. These are the kinds of thugs junior draws his support from. This is the kind of leader who is unfit to call himself president of Syria.