HOLLER hollerin' away?

...as mentioned on here as well. Last week's totals were about $170,000, a number that's sad to even think about. The show was a huge risk. I hope it's reworked and rethought and tried in the future, with a new book.

Hey, I'm totally open a rap musical on broadway. I just want that doesn't have a high school after school special feel about it and has a bearable book. The dance and most of the music in Holler was tight. We can keep that

Not defending Holler, but RippedMan, you should have some info before you post. There were two recent workshops that I know of, and Ben Thompson has been tweeting that they've been working on it for 4+ years. So it's not that they didn't workshop it.

"they are going to start making money soon. Im not even talking about specific numbers like you... You're gonna see I'm right." -PhillyPinto

Ironic that with a show with 'hear me' in the title no one was listening. There is no evidence of collaboration or leadership. It is as if the producers expected the different aspects of the show to snap together like a childs puzzle 2 weeks before rehersal without prior planning or forethought. In 2 workshops, nobody noticed problems with the book and other techicical feature?. It isn't like they weren't warned. Which they chose to dismiss

Newintown is technically correct. It is not the music of Tupac but, rather, the words of Tupac. Tupac wrote lyrics and poems and rhymes. Not music. He was not a composer. But that's probably nitpicking a little too much since he did produce all of those songs thus making it the "music of Tupac."

A Chorus Line played its final Broadway performance on August 17, 2008. The tour played its final performance on August 21, 2011. A new non-equity tour started in October 2012 played its final performance on March 23, 2013.

In hip hop, rap, and techno, the producer is the person creating the music. It isn't traditional composing, but rather making use of samplers, sequencers, drum machines, synthesizers, etc. In other words, the producer creates the instrumental tracks but isn't a composer per se.

I understand your point; I might decry it as an aspect of our increasingly dilettante culture, where music is no longer actually taught as a technique, and so the average listener just assumes it "happens" somehow, rather than having any real understanding of the process of actually writing music.

They probably just said this week, and he just assumed a normal dark Monday schedule.

Plus, their performance schedule may not affect what is considered a week at the theater. Like, their grosses are reported every Monday. And, what day they close could affect their rent at the Palace, etc. So, for a lot of other things, their week may go Sunday to Sunday, and the performance schedule is just different.

As someone who used to listen to a LOT of hip-hop (I find it pretty boring these days), I see where you're coming from in terms of the label of Producer vs. Composer. As has been stated already, typically in the Hip-Hop world the "Producer" is understood as the person that COMPOSED the beat/track that the lyricist is rhyming over.

Any while it's true that many hip-hop producers don't have a background in composing, or even music theory (not that that has stopped song-writers in other genres), there are DEFINITELY hip-hop producers that UNDERSTAND music through intuition and practice.

That's why people like Dr. Dre, Timbaland, Pharell (of the group N.E.R.D....who wrote the popular song "Happy"), Missy Elliot, Outkast, and reaching back further to folks like Pete Rock, DJ Premiere, RZA, and a prolific producer named J-Dilla (whom I consider to be the greatest hip-hop producer of all time, he died of Lupus many years ago), have had such long and varied careers. These people have an understanding of and respect for music, and were usually heavily influenced by jazz, R&B, rock & roll, and soul music of the generations before them. Listen to Andre3000's "Love Below" album, or Mos Def's "Black on Both Sides", and while they are definitely hip-hop records, there's a LOT of musicality (Andre's album even includes an uptempo instrumental cover of "My Favorite Things").

It's off-topic but I did want to throw in my two cents--as rapper Talib Kweli once said, there's a difference between someone who makes music vs. someone who just "makes beats".