Facts pro-choicers don't want you to know: While that easily-aborted fetus seems like a threat to your car insurance rates, the woman in the article was probably talking on a cell phone but blamed the wreck on somebody who couldn't deny responsibility.

My daughter is in her 72 trimester and I don't think she could kick me hard enough now to cause me to have that kind of car accident. I agree with ZAZ that the mom-to-be was probably on her cell phone.

ZAZ:Facts pro-choicers don't want you to know: While that easily-aborted fetus seems like a threat to your car insurance rates, the woman in the article was probably talking on a cell phone but blamed the wreck on somebody who couldn't deny responsibility.

Or started cooing over the kick. Then again, she is pregnant so it could be assumed that most of her energy that would normally go towards higher thinking is going toward growing a fetus. I know my SIL turned into the biggest idiot in the world when she was carrying one.

ZAZ:Facts pro-choicers don't want you to know: While that easily-aborted fetus seems like a threat to your car insurance rates, the woman in the article was probably talking on a cell phone but blamed the wreck on somebody who couldn't deny responsibility.

Fact pro lifers don't want you to know: ALL car wrecks are caused by fetuses.

doglover:ZAZ: Facts pro-choicers don't want you to know: While that easily-aborted fetus seems like a threat to your car insurance rates, the woman in the article was probably talking on a cell phone but blamed the wreck on somebody who couldn't deny responsibility.

Fact pro lifers don't want you to know: ALL car wrecks are caused by former fetuses.

Having dealt with a pregnant woman for the last 7 and a half months, I can believe it could happen. It'd be a bit of a one in a million shot, but there have been kicks lately that came as enough of a surprise to startle her, and in painful spots. A lot depends on the size of the woman, too. My friend is tiny, so the fetus can line up and field goal just about anything it feels like. someone larger with more padding I have my doubts.

ZAZ:Facts pro-choicers don't want you to know: While that easily-aborted fetus seems like a threat to your car insurance rates, the woman in the article was probably talking on a cell phone but blamed the wreck on somebody who couldn't deny responsibility.

And yet, it's an entirely possible thing. Sounds like you're just desperate to blame the woman herself because you're uncomfortable with Subby's little jokey joke. Please, if you're going to quell your anxiety using baseless assumptions, can't you just stick to the politics tab with the rest of the self-deluded people? Had you ANY evidence that it was the woman's fault, I'd at least give you SOME respect, but you not liking his fetus joke and deciding for yourself that pregnancy kicks aren't that bad (which they definitely can be) does not count.

I find it hard to believe a baby's kick could hurt worse than when my car was rear-ended and I got a neck sprain out of it (aka Whiplash). And yet somehow I still managed to steer it away from the oncoming vehicle and park on the shoulder.

bingethinker:I agree, except you'd have trouble proving a four-month fetus is sentient. Just because you believe it, doesn't make it so.

Considering proprioception and the ability to sense pain doesn't develop until around week 22 of gestation, pretty much this.

ShawnDoc:Look, you can't execute them or lock them in prison if you abort them first.

Point exactly!

Calling people who oppose legalized abortion, be it for moral, ethical, or religious reasons, "Pro-Life" implies that they would be anti-unnatural death by any means human-initiated or preventable. It's rather clear that, based on the overlapping beliefs of many who espouse to hold a "Pro-Life" viewpoint, they don't.

It's just a way to poison the argument and paint your opponent as someone who must obviously be "Pro-Death" if they disagree with you.

david_gaithersburg:AverageAmericanGuy: I hate to be the one to point out the obvious here, but it was a woman driving. I'm surprised she only rolled it.

..Yet another reason women should not be allowed to drive. Perhaps the Saudis are way more progressive than us on this topic.

I mentioned how my car was rear-ended a few posts back. The only person responsible was a white man in his 50s, driving a 99 Ford pickup, totaled MY car, hurt me badly enough I couldn't work that week. Yet women shouldn't drive? Please.

BronyMedic:bingethinker: I agree, except you'd have trouble proving a four-month fetus is sentient. Just because you believe it, doesn't make it so.

Considering proprioception and the ability to sense pain doesn't develop until around week 22 of gestation, pretty much this.

ShawnDoc: Look, you can't execute them or lock them in prison if you abort them first.

Point exactly!

Calling people who oppose legalized abortion, be it for moral, ethical, or religious reasons, "Pro-Life" implies that they would be anti-unnatural death by any means human-initiated or preventable. It's rather clear that, based on the overlapping beliefs of many who espouse to hold a "Pro-Life" viewpoint, they don't.

It's just a way to poison the argument and paint your opponent as someone who must obviously be "Pro-Death" if they disagree with you.

Uh...shouldn't we all be "pro-life" under that definition?

Shouldn't we all be for anti-unnatural death (human initiated or preventable)?

Isn't cheering for the death of living beings, regardless of sentience, twisted and sick?

Things die in life, things die to feed us, things die because we perceive them as a threat (in the case of bugs and plants, sometimes an annoyance, although we should consider those impulses as carefully as we are able.)

All things require the death of all or some of a living being in order to live. Thus, we all have to "take life" in order to live.

ladyfortuna:david_gaithersburg: AverageAmericanGuy: I hate to be the one to point out the obvious here, but it was a woman driving. I'm surprised she only rolled it.

..Yet another reason women should not be allowed to drive. Perhaps the Saudis are way more progressive than us on this topic.

I mentioned how my car was rear-ended a few posts back. The only person responsible was a white man in his 50s, driving a 99 Ford pickup, totaled MY car, hurt me badly enough I couldn't work that week. Yet women shouldn't drive? Please.

Well we could quote statistics all day about how male drivers cause the vast majority of traffic fatalities, but then you would be giving credence to people that haven't had new comedic material since the 1950s. Much like the "make me a sandwhich" crowd, you shouldn't give them the attention they're trying so desperately to get. There are two possibilities: they're actual misogynists and should probably be shunned from society completely, or they're trolls and your reaction is their victory. Either way, ignore them.

batcookie: There are two possibilities: they're actual misogynists and should probably be shunned from society completely, or they're trolls and your reaction is their victory. Either way, ignore them.

Possibility number three: They are just telling a silly, harmless joke.

Yes this is dog:batcookie: There are two possibilities: they're actual misogynists and should probably be shunned from society completely, or they're trolls and your reaction is their victory. Either way, ignore them.

Possibility number three: They are just telling a silly, harmless joke.

... My point was they haven't been funny since the 50s, so if you're still using them you either have a really stupid sense of humor or one of the two reasons I listed

batcookie:Yes this is dog: batcookie: There are two possibilities: they're actual misogynists and should probably be shunned from society completely, or they're trolls and your reaction is their victory. Either way, ignore them.

Possibility number three: They are just telling a silly, harmless joke.

... My point was they haven't been funny since the 50s, so if you're still using them you either have a really stupid sense of humor or one of the two reasons I listed

If you not thinking I'm funny makes me an ACTUAL MISOGYNIST, my SO must have permanent black eyes and a PhD in sandwiches.

batcookie:Yes this is dog: batcookie: There are two possibilities: they're actual misogynists and should probably be shunned from society completely, or they're trolls and your reaction is their victory. Either way, ignore them.

Possibility number three: They are just telling a silly, harmless joke.

... My point was they haven't been funny since the 50s, so if you're still using them you either have a really stupid sense of humor or one of the two reasons I listed

Using silly, perhaps worn out jokes does not make you either a troll or a misogynist. I'd be willing to bet that most people, when they make a sandwich comment or whatever are really only trying to get a mild chuckle from someone else.

Not every post in an internet forum is some window into a person's soul.

ZAZ:Facts pro-choicers don't want you to know: While that easily-aborted fetus seems like a threat to your car insurance rates, the woman in the article was probably talking on a cell phone but blamed the wreck on somebody who couldn't deny responsibility.

woo, touchy response to an obvious joke. were you touched badlyas a fetus or something? You are not alone. I had to share the womb with an IUD and my mom got carbon monoxide poisioning twice.

It is okay to let these experiences go. Life is not so bad now, is it? Smile and enjoy a joke now and then.

GGracie:My daughter is in her 72 trimester and I don't think she could kick me hard enough now to cause me to have that kind of car accident. I agree with ZAZ that the mom-to-be was probably on her cell phone.

Maybe not. My sister was in mortal agony for the last trimester of her second, because he had his little heels braced under her lower rib. I knew another woman who'd had a rib broken by her in utero fetus, he kicked her so hard.

Yes this is dog:batcookie: Yes this is dog: batcookie: There are two possibilities: they're actual misogynists and should probably be shunned from society completely, or they're trolls and your reaction is their victory. Either way, ignore them.

Possibility number three: They are just telling a silly, harmless joke.

... My point was they haven't been funny since the 50s, so if you're still using them you either have a really stupid sense of humor or one of the two reasons I listed

Using silly, perhaps worn out jokes does not make you either a troll or a misogynist. I'd be willing to bet that most people, when they make a sandwich comment or whatever are really only trying to get a mild chuckle from someone else.

Not every post in an internet forum is some window into a person's soul.

Lighten up, Francis.

And yet a surprising number of them are just that, more so than the poster might realize. I guess a psychologist leopard can't change her psychoologist spots.

Dokushin:batcookie: Yes this is dog: batcookie: There are two possibilities: they're actual misogynists and should probably be shunned from society completely, or they're trolls and your reaction is their victory. Either way, ignore them.

Possibility number three: They are just telling a silly, harmless joke.

... My point was they haven't been funny since the 50s, so if you're still using them you either have a really stupid sense of humor or one of the two reasons I listed

If you not thinking I'm funny makes me an ACTUAL MISOGYNIST, my SO must have permanent black eyes and a PhD in sandwiches.

*rolls eyes* That's between you and her. I don't care if you're a misogynist or not, I was pointing out to the other person that she should ignore jokes like that rather than take them seriously. She seemed honestly offended that someone made a women drivers joke, so I was telling her that the motivations behind the jokes are generally stupid ones in one way or another so she should ignore them rather than letting them get to her. But I suppose you'd rather she be super offended and report your or something?

cuzsis: Isn't cheering for the death of living beings, regardless of sentience, twisted and sick?

Nope, historically and biologically it ranges from normal to outright commendable. The one things the hippies got right is that life isn't isolated organisms capable of existing independently, killing each other off is entirely necessary for the larger functioning of the biosphere, species that don't are terrible plagues upon existence that make everything unbearably shiatty for everything else.