Burgers Adopt Precision-Guided Nuclear Bomb

The airplane-dropped nuke from the sixties got a service life extension, and a laser guidance system, for thermonuclear strikes with SURGICAL PRECISION. Presumably on countries with no anti-aircraft capabilities.

The bomb tests are a part of the Pentagon's $7.6 billion 'B61-12 Life Extension Program', which aims to “refurbish, reuse, or replace all of the bomb’s nuclear and non‐nuclear components” and extend the service life of the B61 by at least 20 years.Besides deploying B61-12 on modern and future long range bombers, the Pentagon is making sure the bomb can be easily used by F-15E fighter jets, and wants to integrate it with the F-35 Lightning II fifth generation combat jets, raising concerns it is creeping towards lowering the threshold for tactical use of nuclear weapons.

thermonuclear strikes with SURGICAL PRECISION. Thermonuclear strikesSurgical PrecisionFor what purpose? Is it a very very tiny nuke?5-50 kt nukeCan the burgers not get bombs within half a mile of the target?

11 months ago

Joshua Campbell

Tridents

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-38711418

The Sunday Times says the test fire was launched from HMS Vengeance.It says the Trident II D5 missile was intended to be fired 5,600 miles (9,012 km) to a sea target off the west coast of Africa but veered towards the US.The cause remains top secret, the paper says, but it quotes a senior naval source as saying the missile suffered an in-flight malfunction after launching out of the water.HMS Vengeance, one of the UK's four Vanguard-class submarines, returned to sea for trials in December 2015 after a £350m refit, which included the installation of new missile launch equipment and upgraded computer systems.

11 months ago

Benjamin Murphy

ItalyTurkeyAnd then NATO wonders why Greece keeps fucking with them by choosing to make deals with Russia instead. God I can't wait for Golden Dawn. Fuck this retarded zog alliance honestly. Trusting nukes to the most utterly incompetent sub 80 IQ Islamic monkeys.

11 months ago

David Rivera

I'm DESPERATE for a burger nuclear dildo up my ass

Chill out man. Turkey is going to be left out of this, they want S-400 instead.

11 months ago

Ethan Rogers

Taking out extremely hardened targets. Nuclear weapons are not magical "erase everything" devices; they're completely normal explosives (that also produce radiation) in the sense that they obey the laws of physics. It's just that the power of the explosion is so much greater than normal explosives that we tend to categorize them differently mentally. While a soft target like a city may not require pinpoint precision, something like a command and control bunker buried in the side of a mountain could.

This deficiency is a perfect example of why planet busters are necessary. Nothing says "fuck you" like sucking a major portion of the enemy's home continent into a singularity.

This is so retarded it's awesome.Also they certainly don't fit on any F-35 (a F-35 can carry only a MK83 with the shortest package, for example one with a BSU-85/B bomb fin doesn't fit). A B61 is considerably longer than that.

That's Alpha Centauri. One of the late game units you can research is the 'Planet Buster' missile that wipes out whatever the fuck it hits (including cities) and digs a huge, Vredefort tier, crater into the map. They're really quite fun, but if you use them every AI nation in the game declares war on you no matter what. So you only end up using them if they're your last chance, or if you can take on the rest of the planet and are just using the PB for shits and giggles. Most of LAN games I've played of AC end up with 2-3 of the more successful players stockpiling them in an arms race, completely ending any hope of a military victory - which provides a very fun example of why Mutually Assured Destruction works.

Hadn't considered using them for hard targets, I thought you guys were still keeping the B53 for those.

11 months ago

Jason Reed

The ink just dried on an F-35D; it's an F-35 the size of a B1. :^)

11 months ago

Lincoln Moore

You mean the one supposed to be built in 2035 when everyone not-NATO is gearing up for WWIII in 2020?

11 months ago

Justin Hall

to five European countriesBelgium, Germany, Italy, and the Netherlands are listed on that infographic, but what's the fifth?

can carry only the mk83The -B version, yes. But the -A and -C versions can carry the Mk84 internally.

11 months ago

Nolan Jones

Yeah but B-61 are thinner (diameter) than mk-84 but I think they're longer (all measurement on the interweb are useless, they're way too short so it's probably the bomb itself, mk-61 in fact, without it's tail assembly), maybe not by much but Murphy's law dictate it will be enough.

The cause remains top secret, the paper says, but it quotes a senior naval source as saying the missile suffered an in-flight malfunction after launching out of the water.I saw the documents and I'm going to reveal the reason for this. Don't worry, the government can't get me because I'm behind seven proxies.The missile didn't knoww where it was at the time. It didn't know this because it didn't know where it wasn't. By subtracting where it thought it was from where it wasn't, or where it wasn't, from where it was, whichever is greater, it obtained an incorrect difference, or deviation. The guidance sub-system used deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it thought it was, to a position where it thought it wasn't, and arriving at a position where it thought it wasn't, it headed toward the US.

11 months ago

Jackson Price

Meanwhile in Russia.(AFAIK it's the only uncut footage of a SLBM salvo from undersea).

11 months ago

Chase Barnes

They will probably strap two F-35 Merkels together like the twin mustang

11 months ago

Logan Perry

they're completely normal explosives (that also produce radiation) in the sense that they obey the laws of physicsnormal explosivesAchtchully they are more like incendiaries, thermobaric or to be more precise flares. The kinetic energy from the initial "explosion" is way too puny to be compared to HE.

11 months ago

Brandon Bennett

I'm instantly reminded of this

11 months ago

Cameron Collins

Came here to post this!

11 months ago

Lucas Brooks

What are the chances this wasn't an error and it was actually kebab sabotage from the inside?

11 months ago

Gavin Nguyen

When we finally get around to world war III it's going to be an absolute shitshow.

For what purpose?Aircraft safety from the air defense. Loft bombing can provide serious range for a bomb. Also overall JDAM bomb delivery against pre-planed target is much much simpler than unguided bomb that contributes to the aircraf's freedom of maneuver and therefore survivability.

Can the burgers not get bombs within half a mile of the target?With long range loft or/and high altitude high speed bombing it is possible to have such misses.

11 months ago

Ryan Mitchell

Is the retroactive JDAM conversion of dumb bombs the best idea NATO had since the Cold War-Unit cost Approx. US$25,000 (Depends on acquisition lot. Foreign sales have considerably higher prices.)Oh…

11 months ago

Angel Russell

it's for putting a nuke on the front foor of a bunker complex.

11 months ago

Alexander Lopez

No it's not. Those are the tactical nukes based in Europe to nuke Russian formations in Germany.

Nothing short of something like a X-51/Trident warhead is getting near a Russian command bunker.You guys are aware that even something as old as a SA-8 has no problem down gliding bombs from something like a 5 miles away?And that Russia (and China) field much much much much more lethal ADA system than that 1970's soviet heap of junk?

11 months ago

Joshua Davis

What's even the point of nukes? You'll never realistically be able to use them.

It says the Trident II D5 missile was intended to be fired 5,600 miles (9,012 km) to a sea target off the west coast of Africa but veered towards the US.veered towards the USAre you telling me the American talent for friendly fire has now reached automated systems?

11 months ago

Wyatt Scott

nothing short of something like a X-51/Trident warhead is getting near a Russian command bunkerOr, you know, something like the LRSO. If you want to look at conventional missiles, I'd suggest some JASSMs.

In February 1982 the prototype was demonstrated for a group of US and British officers at Fort Bliss, along with members of Congress and other VIPs. When the computer was activated, it immediately started aiming the guns at the review stands, causing several minor injuries as members of the group jumped for cover. Technicians worked on the problem, and the system was restarted. This time it started shooting towards the target, but fired into the ground 300 m in front of the tank. In spite of several attempts to get it working properly, the vehicle never successfully engaged the sample targets. A Ford manager claimed that the problems were due to the vehicle being washed for the demonstration and fouling the electronics.[18] In a report on the test, Easterbrook jokingly wondered if it ever rained in central Europe.

As early production examples started rolling off the production line, the problems proved to be just as serious. One of the early models is reported to have locked onto a latrine fan, mistaking its return for a moving target of low-priority. Reporting on the incident in another article on the vehicle's woes, Easterbrook reported that "During a test one DIVAD locked on to a latrine fan. Michael Duffy, a reporter for the industry publication Defense Week, who broke this aspect of the story, received a conference call in which Ford officials asked him to describe the target as a 'building fan' or 'exhaust fan' instead."

The results were abysmal. Unable to hit drones moving even in a straight line, the tests were later relaxed to hovering ones. The radar proved unable to lock even to this target, as the return was too small. The testers then started adding radar reflectors to the drone to address this "problem", eventually having to add four. Easterbrook, still covering the ongoing debacle, described this as being similar to demonstrating the abilities of a bloodhound by having it find a man standing alone in the middle of an empty parking lot, covered with steaks.[22] The system now tracked the drone, and after firing a lengthy burst of shells the drone was knocked off target. As it flew out of control, the range safety officer had it destroyed by remote control. This was interpreted by the press as an attempt to "fake" the results, describing it as "sophomoric deceits".[23] From that point on, every test success was written off as faked.

11 months ago

Carson Reed

Given that we had no trouble destroying Libyan SA-8s in 2011, I doubt it.

I choose to believe that this speciality in friendly fire is actually all a long-term CSA plot to win the Civil War.

11 months ago

Jacob Cruz

posting No Sources: The Movie.

11 months ago

Julian Davis

WW3 started years ago, and nobody noticed because we're all just so fucking bad at killing each other these days.

You'll never realistically be able to use them.You can't use your nukes because other countries will think you're a big ol' meanie if you do use them. The thing is, though, that everyone knows there's not much point in caring what a country thinks unless that country also has nukes.

11 months ago

Andrew Wilson

Ok it's not from the 70's it's part of the last big upgrade package they got in the early 80's and the reason why they added contact fuze to the warheads.The design is meant to keep the missiles being the least expensive component (like on it's successor SA-15) because it's supposed to shoot a lot of them (mainly because you need at least two shots to have a decent kill probability but it can do it, SA-15 is of course much better at it).Implying mudslimes are competent.Especially in ADA.Did you know that NATO fired 3 times more HARMs against Serbia during the kosovo war than during the entirety of Desert Storm?And that it did pretty much squat, when 1/3 was enough to completely neutralize Iraq much bigger ADA net, despite the ADA systems fielded being exactly the same (Iraq might have had better version even)?You could give a laser, railgun and high intensity energy shield to arabs as an ADA weapon and they would still manage to get themselves bomb.

11 months ago

Jonathan Evans

it's not from the 70s it's from the early 80s…and?

Did you know that NATO fired 3 times more HARMs against Serbia during the kosovo war than during the entirety of Desert Storm?…yes, and?

And that it did pretty much squat…apart from keeping their air defenses down

This whole post has to be the most low-information post I've seen in a while. You basically made a pedantic response to another user, made some tangential claim, and then said that the fact that America has been converting Russian equipment to scrap metal for twenty-five years now doesn't really count, because reasons!

11 months ago

Julian Watson

Can't help but laugh at that operation diagram. Fucking castironium bombs meme.jet drops bombthe bomb descendsthe bomb approaches the targetthe bomb crashes into the target, thereby destroying itBut if you could actually steer a block of cast iron directly into the target, that would actually work pretty well.

11 months ago

Dominic Rivera

Did you know that NATO fired 3 times more HARMs against Serbia during the kosovo war than during the entirety of Desert Storm?…yes, and?Getting almost three times more HARMs fired at them is interesting for two reasons:1. Serbs had 1/10th the air defenses of Iraq2. After the SEAD campaign was complete, DTIC assesed their air defenses as functional

By the way it wasn't just HARM, it was other ordinance as well.

11 months ago

Easton Campbell

…apart from keeping their air defenses downDidn't read this, sorry. The entire point of the SEAD campaign on Yugoslavia was as preparation for an invasion and occupation by NATO troops. The fact that the airspace was judged too dangerous for an invasion suggests the statement that it "kept their air defenses down" is actually wrong. They just didn't waste the twenty or so good rockets they had on fighter jets or bombers, Serbs were waiting for those big juicy troop transports.

It's Sid Meyer' Alpha Centauri. Pretty cool game, you can use planet-busters to carve out a canal through a continent so that your submarine-carriers can start launching nukes and aircraft at a nation led by a Christian Soccer Mom who declared a war against you, and then start dropping tanks from the orbit to do any mopping up.

Sage for offtopic

11 months ago

Daniel Carter

take some rebarcut into 4' sticks, weld fins on one endstuff as many as possible into a 55gal oil drum, weld some bigger fins on itslap a drag 'chute on one end, hang it on a pylon'chute deploys upon release, is calibrated to open fully at ~1000 feet

That billion dollar defense contract will roll in any day now.

11 months ago

William Nelson

No, most of the air defenses spent most of their time hiding with their radars off because anything that radiated for too long got blown up. An air defense system that doesn't do jack shit is as good as destroyed.

11 months ago

Adam Perez

air defense system that doesn't do jack shitDemonstrably false, they did down dozens of drones and quite a few jets too. Whenever we got ready to invade, with troops boarding ships in Italy, they'd shoot down something else important and the soldiers would go back to barracks.

This was only thirty years ago why can't people remember?

11 months ago

Angel Russell

Which meant that NATO never managed to gain full air superiority and had to conduct large penetration raids instead of opportunity attacks and large penetration raids doesn't do shit to a competent army.Which meant NATO couldn't send ground troops without full air support since it's something NATO doesn't even know how to do anymore.Which is why NATO after nearly two month of bombing the serbian army (and missing the serbian army) decided to return to it's favorite tactic, strategic bombing and EXCLUSIVELY TARGET CIVILIANS, until the Serbs had enough and asked for a ceasefire or be exterminated.

My point was efficiency of air defense system rise drastically depending who crew them, europeans graduates that trains regularly > goatfuckers that can't do calculus.

11 months ago

Jace Ortiz

down dozens of dronesOH NOEZ! THEY GOT A FEW DRONES!Meanwhile they couldn't do jack shit about us bombing the shit out of their infrastructure.

which meant NATO never managed to gain full air superiorityWe kicked the shit out of them pretty good for not having "full air superiority"

EXCLUSIVELY TARGET CIVILIANSFalse.

asked for a ceasefire or be exterminatedThey chose… wisely.

11 months ago

Jonathan Rodriguez

Jesus Christ man they also got pic related. NATO's final assessment of its aircraft losses during the operation "Allied Force" indicates that some 61 aircraft have been destroyed, 53 aircraft were damaged beyond repair or it is not cost-effective to repair them, 57 aircraft have sustained repairable combat damage. A total of 171 NATO aircraft were hit by Yugoslav defenses during the war. Not counting about a dozen helicopters, 30+ drones, and hundreds of cruise missiles.

This doesn't sound like a sleeping air defense system, you are a lying cunt and your opinion is shit.

that picThat's why you don't fly the same mission profile, at the same time, at the same exact site for weeks on end.

11 months ago

Justin Robinson

Your post can be summarized as nuh uh!

Because your own link proves you wrong with its ridiculous jingoistic bias. First it limits the sorties to those flown over Kosovo only, despite the fact that NATO dropped bombs all over the country. Then it excludes a large portion of the investigationVol. I focused on fixed targets and is not germane to this controversyFrom a study that wasn't even confirming hits"Our job was not to account for successful strikes," said Lt. Col. Michael Duval

And the funniest part:What the team found in the "tank" category was 14 tanks plus 12 self-propelled artillery vehicles, which This matches newsweek claims, your retarded link proves that source as reliable.

This is38004 sorties10484 strike sorties14950 unguided munitions dropped8050 guided munitions dropped1355 strikes on military targets181 strikes on tanks317 strikes on APC857 against artilleryIf we tally that up, it means:94% of weapons were dropped on civilians84% of guided weapons were specifically targeted to hit civilians6% of weapons were fired on military targets4% of weapons NATO claims hit military targets0.2% of weapons dropped actually destroyed military vehiclesReally neat numbers.

11 months ago

Lucas King

your post can be summarized asWell, when you have absolutely zero sources there's not much more to say.

ridiculous jingoistic biasthe leaf lithps in his impotent rage at the icky nationalist

from a study that wasn't even confirming hitsThat's the study that made the "14 tanks" claim.

this matches newsweek claims…that's because the study you're talking about IS THE STUDY USED TO CREATE THE NEWSWEEK STORY

Did you seriously not read the fucking article? You're digging up a few quotes from the article that are themselves quotes about the flaws in the study used to generate the Newsweek claim, then claiming that the flaws in the study Newsweek used are evidence that the study Newsweek used was correct.

11 months ago

Samuel Russell

And what the fuck is your evidence then? Wesley Clark and Bill Clinton?

If so it explains what you said over here NATO destroyed 6,000,000 tanks, a billion artillery pieces, and ten million soldiers in the air raids on Yugoslavia.

11 months ago

Jackson Price

Kosovo WarThirty years ago

Kill yourself.

11 months ago

Wyatt Ramirez

You're the one making the claim that NATO never hit anything. Where is your evidence for that? All I ever claimed was that the "evidence" used to doubt NATO's claims is shaky at best.

I'd also like evidence to back up your claim that "94% of weapons were dropped on civilians." You're acting like every bomb not dropped on a tank or APC was dropped on a house, and not on a bridge, airfield, or other strategic target.

11 months ago

Jason Roberts

Strawman, I specifically outlined how many hit.

I'd also like evidence to back up your claim that "94% of weapons were dropped on civilians."Well if only 6% were shot at military targets, what the fuck do you think the rest were shot at?

11 months ago

Easton Long

Also, your recounting is complete bullshit.

NATO never planned a ground invasion, because they would have gotten their asses raped by a highly experienced white army in that sort of terrain and on its own turf. The plan was to instead terrorize Serbia from the air to get them to the negotiation table, which in the end worked because Serbia didn't want to lose all their infrastructure and be bombed back into a third world state, so they rather gave up Kosovo than all of Serbia.

The Serbian AD network worked fine especially because they knew when to emit signals and when not, which made it impossible for NATO to ever fully destroy it and prevented the air forces from effectively engaging the Serbian army forces dispersed and camouflaged in the terrain. Also, if you believe that all the Apache losses "before" and during the outbreak of hostilities were all the "training accidents", as was claimed, you are very very gullible. These choppers flew recon missions and got owned by SHORAD, mostly IR manpads, because unlike Iraq, Serbia / Kosovo is not flat desert terrain where you have a clear view on targets from 10 miles away. Instead, Serbian Chad will wait for you with an SA-18 at the next clearing behind the hill you just passed.

11 months ago

Ayden Garcia

Kosovo WarIt's called the Yugoslav civil war and it started in early 1990s and lasted until early 2000s. Quit trying to limit it to Kosovo, more than half of the bombs dropped were on civilian areas in areas that had nothing to do with fighting.

Pic related, area where Serbian army was fighting Albanian terrorists, and the entire rest of the country where bombs were dropped where there wasn't any Serbian amy. And this doesn't even show the areas in Bosnia for a decade prior to this.

NATO never planned a ground invasionIt was in the initial plan when Clinton made that dumb "muh 6 gorrilion muslim babbies" claim, this was always on the table and a massive ground force was kept ready in Italy until the last moment when ceasefire was signed. Only France was against it the zogbots in French government wanted to nuke Serbia instead because "fighting them would be too hard".

It was in the initial plan when Clinton made that dumb "muh 6 gorrilion muslim babbies" claim, this was always on the table and a massive ground force was kept ready in Italy until the last moment when ceasefire was signed.

That was most probably just posture. Maybe Clinton "planned" it, in his dreams, but was probably told by the Army all the time that it was going to be a fucking bloodbath, which is why it never happened.

11 months ago

Anthony Wright

I specifically outlined how many hit…using absolutely zero evidence.

what the fuck do you think the rest were shot at?Strategic targets.

had nothing to do with the fightingStrategic targets.

there wasn't any Serbian armyStrategic targets.

it was in the initial planMind showing where? You're making an awful lot of claims with an awful little amount of evidence.

11 months ago

Luke Bennett

en masse bombing of population centers is okay because some of the civilians we kill might work in factories that make things that the enemy combatants useThe Anglo strikes again.

11 months ago

Brayden Ward

en masse bombing of population centersWhere?

11 months ago

Thomas Cruz

The fuck is an elementary school in the north of the country a "strategic target"?

Retards like you are the reason some countries need to be thrown out of NATO and all decision making power. We were fucking lucky the air raid siren got the kids out in time you fucked up monster.

NATO isn't even needed anymore. The Warsaw pact is long dead and the USSR isn't even a thing anymore, not like the Chinks can do anything as is anyway.

11 months ago

Evan Ramirez

I have two ways of looking at this:

1)serbs put weapons cache in schoolit gets hit because, once again, strategic targetserbs bitch and cry about muh ebil Americans killing muh chillunzdespite putting them in danger themselves knowing full well they could be killed

Or, 2)target is misidentifiedwrong target is hit due to faulty intelligenceSucks, but that's sort of how war works. There will never be a bloodless war, nor will there be a war without civilian casualties. Faggots like you create Vietnams because you're too pansy-assed to actually go all out, instead opting to fight a half-assed "semi war" because you're worried that if you fight a bit too hard you'll accidentally kill a few kids here and there.

some countries need to be thrown out of NATOAmerica effectively is NATO, leaf.

serbs put weapons cache in schoolIf it made any sort of sense, or couldn't be proved a lie, NATO would already have claimed something like that as an excuse.

target is misidentifiedAnd that's the real issue.23000 bombs dropped, 1000-2000 dropped on military targets. Are we expected to believe the 21000-22000 remaining weapons were dropped on "misidentified" targets?

11 months ago

Christopher Garcia

To be fair the Siege of Sarajevo was muslim fault, they started the war in Sarajevo by killing Serbs and just provoking for violent reaction from the Serbian side, when that failed they outright started killing people and then started sieging the military barracks that had Serbian soldiers inside.

Here is how it went down:

Muslims stop civilian traffic (cars,buses etc) in a street

move in the artillery in that street

fire 8-10 shells into Serbian barracks

move the artillery back

continue with the civilian traffic

Serbs normally respond and shell the place where the attack came from

civilians die and muslims cry to western MSM that Serbs are just randomly killing civilians for no reason

After Serbs figured this out they shelled the storehouses where the muslims hid the artillery and other shit, after that muslims started full-scale urban warfare where they hid in civilian apartments and were shooting on civilians ISIS style.

Also to point out that the muslim plan of doing the stop traffic > pull artillery > move artillery back came from British MI6 because they tricked them into doing it so they could justify the military action into the region to end the war. (War ended 3 years later and thats because USA did it not Brits, Brits were enjoying selling weapons to both sides)

11 months ago

Juan Ramirez

expecting sense from faggots that literally wanted to create one more country full of albanians

11 months ago

Ian Rogers

No, the remaining 21-22k were dropped on strategic targets. You really seem to be slow on the uptake here, leaf.

11 months ago

Juan Hughes

Nuclear weapons are not magical "erase everything" devicesThis is target and yeild dependent

they're completely normal explosives (that also produce radiation) in the sense that they obey the laws of physics.This kind of logic is extremely stupid, it's on the level of comparing jarts to a Mk.82 because both utilized gravity as a function. We categorized them differently than "normal" explosives because they use matter itself in a physical reaction and they do not strictly adhere to the laws of physics.

While a soft target like a city may not require pinpoint precision, something like a command and control bunker buried in the side of a mountain could.Which doesn't require the use of a nuke, a GBU-57 would provide a greater level of destruction. What the Mk.12 upgrade provides is a steerable, air-dropped nuclear device for employment as a more precise dual-use weapon for counter-force and counter-value attack options.

11 months ago

Gabriel Wood

was meant for this retard.

11 months ago

Jonathan Roberts

they do not strictly adhere to the laws of physicsWhat was that about extremely stupid logic?

11 months ago

Matthew Bennett

And I ask you again you pathetic coward, how is an elementary school a strategic target?Like what… the kids grow up and 1/2 vote for the evil dictator, so they're fair game for a precision fucking cruise missile??!? Actually a 50% hit rate would be stellar improvement for NATO.

11 months ago

Sebastian Thomas

Funny thing, the commander of the SAM battalion that shot it down (along with an F-16), Zoltán Dani, was an ethnic Hungarian from Voivodina, whose grandparents were ethnically cleansed by Tito.

Funner fact all the shit thrown into the Danube by our own jets managed to stop Danube traffic and cut your economy by 25% in the early 2000s, because you couldn't have access to ocean traffic. You just about recovered when the recession hit.

11 months ago

Zachary Campbell

Chill man, Jamal Al-Londonistani is just defending his kin. Morality won't work on him.

Funny thing:1. Same crew did shot down F-16 with Major Boško Dotlić (another commander) which means you had capable men and correct intel, it was not a one-man job.2. He was not "ethnic Hungarian", his mother was Romanian.3. "cleansed by Tito"? That left him so traumatized he went to serve as an officer in the army of that same Tito. Nice ethnic baiting there, son.4. Posting dead Serbs to ease your butthurt? Try some ointment.

11 months ago

Julian Taylor

Aaand here comes the honorary Shiptar, swift to remind the world exactly why nobody in SE Europe can truly empathize with them.

1. Dotlić was the shift leader2. "muh teardrop rule"3. Maybe he didn't believe in collective Serbian guilt for some reason4. Those are about Muslims and their handlers, you assblasted retard

I'm going to keep saying this because apparently it takes a few tries to get to a low IQ individual.

Strategic targets.

11 months ago

Christopher Russell

Oh boy yet another thread ruined.

Zoltán Dani, was an ethnic Hungarian from VoivodinaHe was a Romanian-Hungarian from Serbia, who clearly preferred Serbia to homogays a few miles to the north. If he even remotely liked Hungary he could have easily WALKED there. Since he liked Serbia enough to stay there, get trained in Serbian military schools, and PUT HIS LIFE ON THE LINE FOR SERBIA, I would say the F-117 shootdown is 100% a Serbian national victory. Hungary had fuckall to do with it.

whose grandparents were ethnically cleansed by TitoThe fuck does his grandparents being killed by a Slovenian-Croatian communist have to do with it? Tito also destroyed the Serbian people, created the Bosnian, Montenegrin and Macedonian state from fucking nothing just to split up Serbs. He even strengthened muslims in bosnia and kosovo because "great-Serb capitalist clique" was too strong compared to muh "oppressed people".

You're trying to lay Titos crimes at the foot of Serbs, in a pathetic attempt to try to split Zoltan Danis achievement from the family he CHOSE to be a part of, is fucking disgusting.

achievementI guess taking advantage of poor mission planning is some sort of "achievement."

11 months ago

Anthony Rodriguez

It's not the kind of war that requires hitting strategic targets, we were trying to intervene in a province of Serbia not trying to conquer the country.And no, those were NOT strategic targets. The civilian power grid in some village is not a strategic target. A civilian passenger train full of refugees is not a strategic target. A foreign fucking embassy is not a strategic target. And no, apartment blocks and elementary schools are also not a strategic target.

Only difference between NATO and sandniggers blowing up markets at that point is that NATO didn't have enough balls to strap themselves to the bomb.

Not me btw.

11 months ago

Jace Cruz

Oh boy yet another thread ruined.

Zoltán Dani, was an ethnic Hungarian from VoivodinaHe was a Romanian-Hungarian from Serbia, who clearly preferred Serbia to homogays a few miles to the north. If he even remotely liked Hungary he could have easily WALKED there. Since he liked Serbia enough to stay there, get trained in Serbian military schools, and PUT HIS LIFE ON THE LINE FOR SERBIA, I would say the F-117 shootdown is 100% a Serbian national victory. Hungary had fuckall to do with it.

whose grandparents were ethnically cleansed by TitoThe fuck does his grandparents being killed by a Slovenian-Croatian communist have to do with it? Tito also destroyed the Serbian people, created the Bosnian, Montenegrin and Macedonian state from fucking nothing just to split up Serbs. He even strengthened muslims in bosnia and kosovo because "great-Serb capitalist clique" was too strong compared to muh "oppressed people".

You're trying to lay Titos crimes at the foot of Serbs, in a pathetic attempt to try to split Zoltan Danis achievement from the family he CHOSE to be a part of, is fucking disgusting.

11 months ago

Christian Ward

Fucking lol

11 months ago

Jose Brooks

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11 months ago

Easton Ward

it's not the kind of war that requires hitting strategic targetsEvery war requires hitting strategic targets.

we were trying to intervene in a province of SerbiaSo then we need to destroy airfields, blow bridges, hit command and control bunkers, take out communications networks, hit civilian radar sets, etc. And those are just the strategic targets I can think of off the top of my head.

the civilian power grid is not a strategic targetIt's being used to provide energy for military uses. It could be being used to power radio transmitters or radar sets. So yes, it is a strategic target.

a civilian passenger train full of refugeescollateral damage

foreign embassyIt's run by the Chinese. The Chinese were spying on military activities in the region. So we had a little "accident" to hinder their spying.

elementary schools are also not a strategic targetcollateral damage

Once again, faggots like you cause Vietnam. Because you are too chickenshit to actually fight a real war, so you decide to artificially restrict your targets and not attack valid targets that the enemy is using to organize his activities. So the enemy can continue organizing unhindered, because you're fighting with one hand tied behind your back like a dumbass.

11 months ago

Andrew Wright

We should have just nuked the entirety of the Balkans just to avoid what a shithole this thread became

11 months ago

Matthew Lewis

<oh no I'm unable to cope with the fact that somebody dosen't buy my shit<I know,I'll post dead kids,that will show them

Go back to /intl/ and ruin your goodwill there.Go back to the steppes and ruin chinese rice picking imageborad

11 months ago

Robert Howard

faggots like you cause VietnamYeah because faggots like you did such a good job on the real world vietnam, you know, the one where you had free reign for like 20 years without making any headway. Not to mention that Vietnam was a completely different war where we had troops and friendlies on the ground we had to protect, and global power hinged on that conflict. Retards like you managed to drop bombs on friendly civvies in three other countries (Thailand, Cambodia and Laos) without having any effect on Vietnam.

Nothing fucking hinged in balkans, we had no troops there, the entire genocide bullshit is a lie, we had no reason to drop a single fucking bomb let alone bomb a bunch of civilian targets. If anything we actually helped the ethnic cleansing of a 1/4 million serbs. But even so, men like you had free reign in Yugoslavia too, didn't you? Bombed a bunch of prisons full of civilian friendlies, managed to kill more Albanian civilians than the serbs did, and "reached your objective" when povertypotato russia stepped in to mediate and do the heavy lifting for you.

11 months ago

Dominic Rivera

We should have just nuked the entirety of the Balkans just to avoid what a shithole this thread becameHonestly that would have been more respectable than inventing a crisis and pretending to miss the target 90% of the time so we can exterminate one of the last white nations in Europe.

11 months ago

Brayden Rogers

Yeah because faggots like you did such a good job on the real world vietnamHow would I know? Faggots like you were the ones allowed to run that "war."

Thailand, Cambodia, and Laos…which were all being used by the Vietcong to send supplies and reorganize their soldiers. If a country is being transited by enemy soldiers and enemy supplies, it is NOT neutral. Of course, faggots like you don't understand that. You'd just make some weak-willed comment about "acting honorable" and "preserving neutrality" while the Vietcong laughed at your dumb ass for letting them get away with shit and doing fuckall to stop it.

11 months ago

Joseph Young

Please doas long as we all get nuked equally

11 months ago

Noah Brown

Faggots like you were the ones allowed to run that "war."Yeah napalming civvies, stacking up bodies of civvies and enemies in a pile and counting them as victory tokens sounds exactly like something I'd do.

…which were all being used by the Vietcong to send supplies and reorganize their soldiers.And if you had bombed those supply runs no one would have a fucking problem with it. The issue comes when you bomb allied hmong people you fucking invertebrate.

11 months ago

Mason Thomas

anybody in the Balkanswhitesure buddy

11 months ago

Aaron Bennett

Yeah, because court martialing pilots that dared to bomb SAM sites that weren't their designated target, ordering artillery and air support to not be given to soldiers in Hue because muh cultural city, and setting restrictions on the number of targets that were allowed to be bombed in Rolling Thunder are all hallmarks of a total war.

Those are all things people like you would do, because it was people like you (i.e. McNamara) who were allowed to run that war. The actions you mentioned were largely carried out by tactical commanders acting on their own volition because they weren't as retarded as the top brass and actually understood that wars involve, like, fighting and shit.

11 months ago

Jaxon Garcia

The chink embassy got smacked because NATO figured Arkan had been there making deals with them if I recall what I've been told.Hmong were fucking scum, sure we'll help you fight communist while we hide them under our village. They deserved everything that happened to them, as did the Cambodians and the Laotians. Not too sure on the Siamese though.t.grandfather was a green beret who fucked people up.

The eternal anglo, bragging about terror-bombed German and Serbian people and churches

11 months ago

Kayden Kelly

You do know what total war is right? Everything is the enemy, you bomb the shit out of the enemy. Oh your ally is hiding the enemy, bomb the fucktarded shit out of them. Those farmers, they're feeding the enemy? Strafe the fucktarded shit out of them and their crops rice fields and the SAM's they've been hiding too for good measure. Neighboring countries are allowing the enemy pass through their land to fuck with you, well that deserves every village on the border to be physically removed. The problem with the great fucktard mess known as Vietnam is politicians ran the war, not generals who could have pushed to the chink border in less than six months and utterly destroyed the red apparatus.

Trying to win the hearts and minds of your enemy is fucking stupid if you haven't completely crushed them under a boot and then some more afterwards turning them into some proverbial paste.

You do realize that a police action is not total war right? The actual fuck.

11 months ago

Joshua Jackson

Once again: people like you are why Vietnam was a shitshow. Because you actually believe in shit like "police actions."

Every war is a total war. If you're not willing to make it a total war, and you're not willing to bomb strategic targets and possibly hit civilians and kids, don't go to war in the first place. Instead of trying to do a half-assed "police action" that turns into a never-ending occupation a la Vietnam and Iraq, either do a total war and accept civilian losses, or just don't go to war at all.

Like the '80s action flick gook said: war yes, good. War no, good. War so-so, squished like grape.

11 months ago

Charles Torres

About that.Police actionsKorea was a police action and the north got bombed to shit so fucking hard they were reeling from it until the 90's. Its literally an excuse to do whatever without actually having to declare war or even take responsibility for it in any way, shape or form. Its the fact that if you're going to drop bombs on someone go through with the job instead of leaving a fucking mess behind or hell just ignore it and let shit go on because its none of your fucking business.

leaf calling anybody else kikeswewStill laughing at the claim that 3 of them were shot down

11 months ago

Brandon Johnson

Purportedly they smacked another one that was written off later.

11 months ago

Hudson Smith

So you're fine if a Muslim blows up a school full of american kids? That's acceptable in war?

Didn't seem to work in Korea.

1eaabeb9cc05So which are you?

11 months ago

Carson Campbell

that's acceptable in warYes.

didn't seem to work in KoreaWe got what we came for in Korea; we kept the South independent. In fact, South Korea gained territory. It's just that MacArthur ran his mouth about it being his goal to reunify the peninsula and the media repeated that ad nauseum so that the general public got the idea that that's why we were there. By the end of the war the North Korean military was nonexistent and the Chinese had been held off. We were even slowly gaining ground. But actually pushing the Chinese out of Korea would have probably taken years; maybe even a decade, and would have involved hundreds of thousands more American casualties at least, and there was no public support for that less than a decade after WW2 ended.

11 months ago

Jordan Young

his goal to reunify the peninsulaDon't forget that wasn't the end of his plan, he wanted to remove red in China and if he couldn't do that then nuke the bastards into oblivion. As peter went to europe with the idea to fight the turks, he came back with the idea to fight the swedes, MacArthur went to japan with the idea of fighting koreans only to want to fight red chinks.

11 months ago

Michael Baker

Certainly a lot of neocohens ITT.

And subscribing to the wanna-be-tough-guy "We only lost the Vietnam War because we didn't firebomb enough civies, muh total war". The reason Vietnam was a waste and nothing along the lines of victory happened was because there wasn't a clear objective, there wasn't a goal. War is the continuation of politics by other means. It is always an outflow of politics. So, what was the politics at play there, at least ostensibly? For the US, it was curtailing further propagation of communism. How to achieve that goal? Actually, best shot would have been just through propaganda, infiltration and possibly clandestine direct action. Doing it by dropping bombs when the propagation of communism means that in every other village, every other man's brother, son or father has turned communist isn't a very fucking bright idea. But OK, you want to drop bombs? Fine. Then drop them on the North, and do it to prepare a ground invasion of the North, because the communism is spreading from there and you'll have to have muh regime change there if you want it to stop. Can't do that because the Soviets will then nuke the US? Well, too fucking bad. So what else then? If you still want to drop bombs, you'll really have to drop them on the already infiltrated villages then, which means you will likewise burn all the other people you originally wanted to save from communism. Damn. Yeah, looks like dropping bombs really wasn't the best course of action there then. And that's why Vietnam was a shitshow: Because it happened at all. Bombs were the wrong tool for the job, because there was no clear military objective to reach the political goal, since the proper military objective for that would have been the occupation of the North by US forces, which would have probably meant WWIII. So they couldn't do that, and it turns out that you can't convert people by just dropping bombs on them, and especially can't save people that way, either.

But then you have idiots ITT that wanted to drop more bombs. Yeah. You dropped plenty bombs, dumbasses, and it achieved exactly zilch.

11 months ago

Luke Johnson

THe US should have nuked beijing during the Korean war TBH.

11 months ago

Luis Edwards

The US should have allied with Best Germany and crush Soviet Russia.

11 months ago

Sebastian Price

Actually, best shot would have been just through propaganda, infiltration and possibly clandestine direct action.The best way to remove communism is to kill commies.

But OK, you want to drop bombs? Fine. Then drop them on the North, and do it to prepare a ground invasion of the North…which we couldn't do because it would have inevitably caused collateral damage and people like you would screech about muh chillunz and muh imperialism.

11 months ago

Joseph Hernandez

I just pretend something else was said, than said, so I can continue to look retarded.

Congratulations, you succeeded. Also, ask a SEAL or any other glow in the dark you come across what "Direct Action" means, you assfaggot.

11 months ago

Isaac Taylor

something else was saidWhat was said was that killing commies isn't the best way to remove communism.

11 months ago

Ryan Powell

Your IP jumping will not save you, try-hard.

11 months ago

Angel Stewart

no argumentI'm IP hopping because I'm shitposting on /leftypol/, TORpedo.

11 months ago

Brandon Morris

Then you are at least doing *something* constructive with your day. Provided you are not as retarded doing it there as you are doing it here.

But btw., why are you running psyops on the commies over there instead of just physically bombing every commie you know in your personal life? I thought killing commies was the best way to fight communism?Excuses, excusesNah, see? Because just killing commies is not neccessarily or automatically the best course of action. If you would go now and kill 2 or 3 commies in your vicinity, you will most probably get caught in the end. Result? 2-3 commies dead, you disabled as an asset for the cause, and, most probably, strengthen resolve in - oh, I don't know - literally a few million commies around the world + providing the commie / kike media with all the propaganda they need, and more ammo for the gun grabbers.

See, that is because reality doesn't function like in your tough guy 14 year old faggot fantasy world. 3 dead commies against all of the negatives cited above. Violence is a tool like any other tool, and it has to be applied in a way that it makes sense, just like any other tool. Randomly killing commies in your neighbourhood, in our current situation, is not going to stop communism, just like randomly dropping napalm on villages in the jungle of SE Asia didn't stop it from spreading there. War is the continuation of politics by other means. Von Clausewitz didn't say that because he was trying to come across as an edgelord, instead, it was simply an OBSERVATION, an ASSESSMENT, and an accurate one. War is always the result of a political will (in other cases, it is just blind, rampant violence, like niggers do it when they chimp out), so, if it is meant to be successfull, a strategy has to be developed that aims to achieve the political will. My whole point was that in Vietnam, no such strategy existed, because the only proper one (occupation of at least North Vietnam - better, even, the Soviet Union), was unfeasable because of the nuclear threat / Cold War. So, applying conventional military measures was doomed to fail from the start. What the US, and more specifically, the US Air Force, did, was running operations without an overarching strategy. There are three layers to warfare: The strategic layer (how do we impress our political aims on the enemy), the operational layer (how do we execute / implement the strategy through actual actions) and tactical (how do we achieve the objective in each operation, on the battlefield, in air combat, in air to surface combat, in electronic warfare etc). If you do not have a sound strategy to implement the political will to begin with, all you are doing is just propping the arms industry in an endless war. See also the "The War on Terror" for that.

11 months ago

Aiden Myers

What would have happened if Patton didn't die and he teamed up with McCarthy?

11 months ago

Levi Torres

if Patton didn't die wasn't assassinated?

FTFY.

This conviction, that the politicians had used him and the U.S. Army for a criminal purpose, grew in the following weeks. During a dinner with French General Alphonse Juin in August, Patton was surprised to find the Frenchman in agreement with him. His diary entry for August 18 quotes Gen. Juin: "It is indeed unfortunate, mon General, that the English and the Americans have destroyed in Europe the only sound country – and I do not mean France. Therefore, the road is now open for the advent of Russian communism."

Later diary entries and letters to his wife reiterate this same conclusion. On August 31 he wrote: "Actually, the Germans are the only decent people left in Europe. it's a choice between them and the Russians. I prefer the Germans." And on September 2: "What we are doing is to destroy the only semi-modern state in Europe, so that Russia can swallow the whole."

"There is a very apparent Semitic influence in the press. They are trying to do two things: first, implement communism, and second, see that all businessmen of German ancestry and non-Jewish antecedents are thrown out of their jobs.

"They have utterly lost the Anglo-Saxon conception of justice and feel that a man can be kicked out because somebody else says he is a Nazi. They were evidently quite shocked when I told them I would kick nobody out without the successful proof of guilt before a court of law . . .

11 months ago

Julian Reyes

Sauce please.

11 months ago

Landon Robinson

Martin Blumenson, The Patton Papers, Vol 2 1940-1945

11 months ago

Justin Young

On a sidenote:

The United States of North America seems to have lost the ability to build new nuclear weapons to know-how regression:

The 2018 Nuclear Posture Review has recently appeared, revealing that we have lost all nuclear military technology:

U.S. production of tritium, a critical strategic material for nuclear weapons, is now insufficient to meet the forthcoming U.S. nuclear force sustainment demands, or to hedge against unforeseen developments. Programs are planned, but not yet fully funded, to ease these critical production shortfalls.

Recent attempts to produce tritium were fully funded, but failed, which failure resulted in new plans for new attempts to produce tritium, which have not yet been fully funded.

The U.S. is also unable to produce or process a number of other critical materials, including lithium and enriched uranium. For instance, the United States largely relies on dismantling retired warheads to recover lithium to sustain and produce deployable warheads. This may be inadequate to support the nuclear force replacement program and any supplements to it.

Existing nuclear weapons have not received maintenance for a very long time, and it is unclear whether there is anyone with the relevant skills to perform maintenance and adequately test them for readiness.

Attempts to build new nuclear reactors in the US keep running into indefinite delays. To make significant amounts of plutonium 239 will need new reactors.

Plutonium 239 is the stuff used in nuclear weapons, plutonium 238 the stuff used in nuclear batteries, plutonium 240 is the stuff you don’t want because it spontaneously fissions. You want to produce your plutonium using enriched uranium in a sodium cooled fast neutron reactor because then you get considerably more of the plutonium you want, and considerably less of the plutonium you do not want. The US used to build fast neutron reactors, but all recent attempts to build a fast neutron reactor in the west have failed, and all existing fast neutron reactors in the West have stopped working. The only existing fast neutron reactors that are working well enough to produce significant amounts of plutonium are in Russia and China.

Your infographic conflicts with a lot of others.I google image'd: "number of engineering graduates by country".A lot of them go by per-capita, but being that Russia has half our population, they should be way ahead in those bar graphs.Someone's lying.

10 months ago

Jayden Murphy

What would have happened if Patton didn't die and he teamed up with McCarthy?Redemption arc.

graduatesPut them in a faraday caged room with no windows and nobody to cheat off of and see how well they do. It's well known that these people can't engineer their way out a paper bag. I don't have the webms but there's the famous one of the pedestrian bridge over a street with exposed fucking power lines going through the stairs, the apartment blocks that fall over because they try to build an underground garage when the structure is already built, etc etc.If we dropped a bomb on Three Gorges instead of waiting for them to run out of food again we'd reset the cycle and not have to deal with chinks for at least a few hundred years.

I don't know if I'd tempt nuclear war with China, but you do have a good point about the quality of engineering. I've never anything 'made in China' that looked like they gave a fuck about stacking tolerances. Meanwhile, my 50-year old folding buck knife is as precisely made as my custom EGW 45, despite not really even needing to be that finely crafted.Russians also have some pretty damn good sniper rifles and scopes.

10 months ago

Adam Ortiz

Maybe they only care about engineering when it's A J-20 or something. (Because any wobble in a turbine = explosion).

10 months ago

Colton Morales

nuclear war with ChinaDropping the dam would flood 2/3rds of the country IIRC, I may be wrong though. There's an ant mound outside in the yard, I'm going to do some wargaming here and run the garden hose on it for a few minutes. When the expirement is concluded I'll look at the data and post the results here.

which gameNo, I meant I'm going to run a war game for the destruction of the Three Gorges Dam by putting a watering hose next to an ant mound in the front yard. I'll even throw some matchbox cars and helicopters next to the mound to simulate the PLA.

10 months ago

Jaxson Cruz

Chinese people are pretty much big ants, so it should work out nicely.

10 months ago

Eli Morris

Isn't that pretty much proof that multi-culturalism can actually regress a nations technology instead of just stalling its progress?

10 months ago

Jordan Reed

The eternal leaf, defending other countries because his own country is invaded by literal subhumans…

10 months ago

Brandon Hughes

mathematics

Ask yourself how much of "STEM" is strategically relevant to military industry and engineering. Hint: basement-dwelling algebra fetishist academics are not.

Especially so considering a good half of the "STEM graduates" are diversity representatives graduating by the quota.

As an "algebra fetishist" I let you know I do not live in a basement I have my own room, okay? and I am not an academic they kicked me out and I am self-employed as an unpaid freelance professional Mongolian novella reader and Chinese tapestry viewer.

The dynamical systems lot, though, are actually relevant to military (aircraft, aerodynamics or some such slap), or so they keep telling you. That unruly mob, the whole 'applied mayhematics' bunch, are held beneath contempt by both the pure mathematicians and engineers. They just keep wanking themselves about "muh relevance" and "muh real-world applications" bunch of uppity, self-important, unpleasant cunts, I'm telling ya.

10 months ago

David Jenkins

You can't use your nukes because you're just as likely to cause your own nation's demise.At the very least you'll get a total trade blockade by most major nations causing an economic collapse.

10 months ago

Kayden Ramirez

How the fuck can we not produce tritium? Did we forget how to build breeder reactors?If only multi-culturalism could have "regressed" video games and cartoons back to the 80's or 90's instead.

10 months ago

Brayden Wright

< he didn't read: "The Bradley and How It Got That Way" by W. Blair Haworth

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