I'd put him around 8 or 9, and that's pretty damn good for a guy finishing his rookie season. No way is he as good as Brees, and Matt Ryan has more game winning drives than any QB in the last 5 years (I believe that's what they said, 26?).Also, Krappernick isn't nearly a top 10 qb. Just my own opinion. But I totally get the love for Wilson, he's damn good.

Brady, Rodgers, Manning, Brees, Eli, Flacco etc. those guys are still the top of the heap. One year doesn't make Wilson one of the best in the league. I love the guy, but it's gonna' take some time to be one of the top 5 QB's in the league. Those guy have done it consistently fpr years.But, I do think he will end up being by far the best QB in team history. In fact, I may sound like a homer, but I think he already is. Just not ready to crown him top 5 yet.

SoulfishHawk wrote:Brady, Rodgers, Manning, Brees, Eli, Flacco etc. those guys are still the top of the heap. One year doesn't make Wilson one of the best in the league. I love the guy, but it's gonna' take some time to be one of the top 5 QB's in the league. Those guy have done it consistently fpr years.But, I do think he will end up being by far the best QB in team history. In fact, I may sound like a homer, but I think he already is. Just not ready to crown him top 5 yet.

But top 6 isn't a reach right?

Week 1 of the preseason vs. The Tennessee Titans, I said the Seahawks were winning the superbowl...

What is the basis of the ranking? Is it the order you'd draft them in some league wide redraft right now? Or just who you'd pick to lead your team in 2013?

I don't think Flynn has a big enough sample size for me to be confident in placing him there, but I do think I'd take him over some of the guys you put him above, right at the same level, and maybe a couple I'd pick above him.

I agree with Pinksheets.. dont have a way to rate Flynn at the moment.

I dont think Brady is #1 anymore. Im not sure there is a clear #1 right now.. Brady, Rodgers and Brees all looked "off" this past season at times, especially Brady and Brees. Think we also need to see how the league adapts over the offseason to the read option offenses.. that will go a long way in determining if RGIII and Wilson are perenial top 5 from here on..or merely good top 10 qbs.

I would take Big Ben over Eli.. well..no.I would RATE him above Eli.. I would NEVER take him on my team if I were an owner or GM.

“If somebody thinks they're a hedgehog, presumably you just give them a mirror and a few pictures of hedgehogs and tell them to sort it out for themselves.”

Flacco had an 87 passer rating this year which is close to his career passer rating. Same is true for Eli. As of right now Wilson is a better qb than either of these two. Sure they have achieved more, but only because they have been around longer. That doesn't make them better qbs.

NFL AM hosts ranked their top 10 QBs this morning. Eric Davis had RW as the number 9 or 10 (if I remember correctly) which I thought was probably close to fair. The knuckle head Mark Kriegel did not have RW on his list but had Krapernick as his #9... I about blew my coffee all over the tv screen. One, a rookie, beat out two NFL veterans in training camp for a starting job, took over the LEADERSHIP roll of the team and then LED his team into the second round of the playoffs... the other couldn't beat out, for 2 seasons, an oft critisized and maligned QB who's team has been looking to replace for years (with the likes of J.T. O'Sullivan and Shaun Hill) until said QB goes down with injury half way through the season leaving him a 6 & 2 record to work with and who obviously did not take over the LEADERSHIP roll on that team. One has an amazing skill set and athleticism for his size along with a truck load of intangibles... the other has the prerequisite size and athleticism and then just a truck load of tatoos...

i love it... more fuel for the wilson fire... he could care less where these knuckle heads have him ranked.. he does his talking on the field... oh but didn't you know that, according to all the so called experts, he's too short, and he's a 3rd round rookie so he can't possibly lead this team to a winning record, well he did.. wow that's suprising..

but in his second year, teams are going to have film on him and will know how to game plan to stop him.. so he'll definitely have a sophomore slump... ok, but didn't he play 18 games this season... you'd a thought that they could have figured him out by the eighteenth game? seems like he only got better, only to have his best game against ATL...

my point is, he's a short 3rd round draft pick, playing for Seattle... he came into this league with three strikes against him... he's going to have to earn everything he gets, unlike Luck... he'll have to force them to take notice and give him his props from his play on the field.. just like he did this season... RW will win this debate , mark my words....

Matt Flynn shouldn't be on the list at all. 2 actual games means we have no evidence that he deserves to be above the others. They've all had good games, too.Flacco isn't top 5. Brees is top 5. Christian Ponder shouldn't even be ranked. Mike Vick is better than Ryan Fitzpatrick and Carson Palmer, but I guess his injuries are definitely making him drop. Iffy, so he could stay or move up, and I would probably agree either way.Matt Ryan has more experience and has proven himself to be a great QB, so he deserves to be where Russell is. I'd rather have Matt than Eli (unless it's the postseason)Matt Schaub is probably good at 10.Eli Manning below Matt RyanBig Ben could probably move down the list a bit, because he's been average. I think I'd rather have Stafford, but he has Megatron, so who knows?Kaepernick doesn't have enough time playing to be ranked as high as he is.Josh Freeman is pretty garbage, but better than Ponder, Fitz and Weeden.Cam Newton I'd put above the rookies until after next year when we have more from them (Guess that means RG3 will drop, because he ain't playin'). He had another pretty decent year with a horrible team. Rushed like a boss and was postive on TD/INT ratio.

Russell Wilson being anywhere in the top 10 is a reach, although one more season like this one would solidify the fact and then he should be allowed to be ranked that high. I like to think of him as top 5, but I know it's homerism and we don't have enough tape on the guy to actually say that as fact. It's hard to even rank them among the others, but I guess if I had to, I'd put them above Jay Cutler.

RG3 would go directly below Russell, in my opinion, because he doesn't know how to keep himself from taking a huge hit and is a liability to his team, while Russell knows better.

Luck could probably go right above Jay, because he is an interception machine, and until he fixes that, he is basically Jay Cutler with more touchdowns, more yards, and more interceptions.

Basically, what I'm saying, is your list doesn't line up with my views.

pocketprotector wrote:Flacco had an 87 passer rating this year which is close to his career passer rating. Same is true for Eli. As of right now Wilson is a better qb than either of these two. Sure they have achieved more, but only because they have been around longer. That doesn't make them better qbs.

Wilson is above Flacco and Eli but below Brees.

LOL? Look how many playoff games Flacco and Eli have won. Eli has 2 rings and Flacco has many playoff wins.Isn't Drew Brees winless on the road in the playoffs?

How do you just say that about Wilson, but not the same about RG3? I just don't want to jump the gun and say we have a top 10 QB before he's played more than a season.

Also, you say that like you think Cam Newton isn't a good QB at all, and shouldn't even be on the list. Cam Newton had a great year, and the only thing people had to say about him was that he was mopey and a bad sport when they were losing. Dude almost had 5000 total yards. He isn't as bad as you think he is.

20114051 Passing Yards21 TD/17 INT706 Rushing Yards14 TD (Record)

20123869 Passing Yards19 TD/12 INT741 Rushing Yards8 TD

I sure as shit wouldn't be disappointed with those stats for 2 years. If he had more than just Steve Smith and Greg Olsen, he'd be way better. His runningbacks don't help, either.

Russ is a beast, and if he has another year like this one, I'll feel better about ranking him higher. I would have done the same with Cam last year.

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Call me biased but I have RW first. After the New England game there was never a game I felt we were out of. Okay that's unreasonable. After Brady and Rodgers I do have RW. Peytons post season record sucks. If you had to choose today and your down ten points in the fourth who do you want? I take RW all day and blam e the defense when we don't win.

I think its hard to say with Wilson, right now. On the one hand, my heart says with a full pre-season and without the training wheels in the first half of he season, this guy would have been top 3. On the other hand, my mind says that without the competition and the training wheels, Matt Flynn would have been our quarterback in a mediocre 8-8 season and Wilson would be riding the pine. I really want another year to look at him and see what he does with a full rep load throughout the offseason and no training wheels through the season.

1. Brady

2. Rodgers

3. P. Manning

4. Drew Brees

5. J. Flacco

6. Matt Ryan

7. Big Ben

8. E. Manning

9. RW

10. Matt Shaub

11. Mathew Stafford

12. RG3

13. Kaepernick

14. Jay Cutler

15. Philip Rivers

16. Andrew Luck

17. Sam Bradford

18. Cam Newton

19. Carson Palmer

20. Ryan Fitzpatrick

21. Matt Flynn

22. Josh Freeman

23. Ryan Tannehill

24. Christian Ponder

25. Brandon Weeden

I took Vick off the list. His stats are pedestrian, and I think he is more of a liability to the Eagles than an asset. People look at Michael Vick with a bit of a nostalgic, empathic view of "what might have been" when the reality is that he was always an overrated quarterback with unearthly athletic ability. The problem is, age and injuries diminish athletic ability and all that is left is an overrated quarterback.

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Don't get it why people love Rodgers that much. He had "ALMOST" the same WR Corps Jennings, James Jones, Donald Driver, Donald Lee, Jordy Nelson from 2008-Present. Rodgers was given a talent WR Corps and he only won 1 superbowl, and

Im honestly surprised that so many people still put Brady at the top.. hes still really, really good.. but the last couple years he hasnt seemed to have that "I can will the team to victory" ability anymore. I kept waiting for him to create the comeback to beat the Ravens..but he couldnt..but in 2009 or 2010 I think he could have.Not hating on him, dont get me wrong. I just dont think hes king of the hill anymore. That said, Im not sure who is..

“If somebody thinks they're a hedgehog, presumably you just give them a mirror and a few pictures of hedgehogs and tell them to sort it out for themselves.”

SoulfishHawk wrote:Brady, Rodgers, Manning, Brees, Eli, Flacco etc. those guys are still the top of the heap. One year doesn't make Wilson one of the best in the league. I love the guy, but it's gonna' take some time to be one of the top 5 QB's in the league. Those guy have done it consistently fpr years.But, I do think he will end up being by far the best QB in team history. In fact, I may sound like a homer, but I think he already is. Just not ready to crown him top 5 yet.

I thought Dave Krieg and Jim Zorn were the best in Seahawk history? Undisputed?

Jim Zorn is the most charismatic and exciting QB in Seahawk history.. RW may eventually beat him for exciting and maybe tie him for charismatic. Its something that just doesnt come across though..you had to see him play.

“If somebody thinks they're a hedgehog, presumably you just give them a mirror and a few pictures of hedgehogs and tell them to sort it out for themselves.”

i don't care about all this ranking crap, stats , QBR... i'll just go with the old eyeball test... Russell is the real deal and he's only going to get better.. you give him some real legit weapons, guy's who can catch the ball and make plays, like Garcon, Cruz, Julio, someone like that, there's no reason he can't do anything those top guy's you have listed are doing, including winning superbowls...

so you can sit and wait another year all you want to claim ok he's legit now, i don't need to ... if the seahawks are not successful next year, it will not be because of our QB play... Sorry went all homer, but my eyes don't lie.

If this is a list of QBs I would want to build a team around, Russell would be right at or very near the top based on his potential, football smarts, maturity, and work ethic. But if this is a list of QBs based on performance over time, I'm not sure any of the rookies make that list. We will know a whole bunch more about this whole gang of "Wunderkids" after they have been through their second season. Who takes a step forward? Who regresses and suffers a sophmore slump? Who is durable and who shows up as accident prone?

Too many questions and too small a sample size to slot them into their spots vs guys who have shown us over 5 to 10 years exactly who they are.

Sorry, any list that includes Kraep in the top 10 is automatically rendered null and void...

He was spotted a 6-2 record. He went 5-2-1 to finish the regular season... why don't we put Alex Smith above him? Yes he's got some athletic talent... beyond that he's a product of the team around him.

canfan wrote:If this is a list of QBs I would want to build a team around, Russell would be right at or very near the top based on his potential, football smarts, maturity, and work ethic. But if this is a list of QBs based on performance over time, I'm not sure any of the rookies make that list. We will know a whole bunch more about this whole gang of "Wunderkids" after they have been through their second season. Who takes a step forward? Who regresses and suffers a sophmore slump? Who is durable and who shows up as accident prone?

Too many questions and too small a sample size to slot them into their spots vs guys who have shown us over 5 to 10 years exactly who they are.