Post by Trog on Feb 1, 2017 5:18:36 GMT

I was wondering about the implementation of Trump's "refugee and immigration ban" - it seems so badly planned.

In the first place, no one sends an order of that magnitude off on a Friday afternoon. No one. Ever. Especially if there was not an inkling of a forewarning to precede it.

There seems to have been almost no discussion with the normal stakeholders in such a decision, i.e. the bureaucracy who would have to execute the order.

That it would cause chaos at airports and for airlines across the world was a foregone conclusion.

That it would detonate the Leftists and their media into waves of frenzied hysteria was a foregone conclusion as well.

So how could Bannon, whom I have begun to suspect of having superhuman powers, make such a mistake?

And my conclusion is that he didn't - that all of the above was deliberately preconceived.

He and Trump is sending out a message to the US Leftists and to the world at large:

See what we can do. Don't mess with us.We are not going to debate trivialities for ever and never come to a conclusion.We are not going to give you the opportunity to tie up every decision into years of litigation.We are going to present you with a fait accompli and you will have to react to it afterwards. That could take years.

It really is a masterclass in brinkmanship - from a position of almost unassailable strength. Who is going to do what about it? Apart from demonstrating and useless litigation. The Democrats can't. The Republicans won't - mostly because they can't, either.

Furthermore, the way in which Bannon's role in this was made very visible, I suspect that Trump and Bannon is setting up a "good cop - bad cop" image about them. Bannon will take the heat in future, and Trump will work towards increasing his (own) popularity.

Post by Trog on Feb 1, 2017 6:40:58 GMT

Saw somewhere that the order was drafted by a fellow called Miller - who is contrite about the whole affair.

As a matter of interest, harping back to a previous post: why do you think it would not be possible to return to a pre-Trump America?

I think the genie is out of the bottle, really.

It really is a revolution - of the white middle- and worker-classes who finally decided that they are fed up with being criminalised for being white, whilst subsidising the lives of those who criminalise them.

And they are still about the 70% majority in the US. They really only voted for Trump because he was the only available anti-establishment candidate on the right to vote for – I’m pretty sure that many of them wish that he was actually someone else, in which case perhaps that person would’ve won by a much greater margin. The election really was not about Trump. Or Clinton.

So even if Trump and Bannon disappears, this will remain so, and I am sure that most of the able politicians have woken up to the fact that there is a massive and permanent rejection of the status quo of the past 30 years – that the establishment politicians and mainstream media need to drastically change or disappear, that the majority of voters find the politically correct narrative repulsive and are now angry enough to say so.

It is a battle of American whites to preserve their identity, and they are the majority.

Post by cjm on Feb 1, 2017 7:23:47 GMT

It is a battle of American whites to preserve their identity, and they are the majority.

At least they woke up. Perhaps a bit too late. I suppose one assumes that there is something worth to preserve. Many will say whites (and their societies) are evil and do not deserve preservation.

The Republican party wants to ride on Trump's coattails without being responsible for anything. They seem more concerned about their elections in two years' time. I wonder to what extent their present success can be attributed to Trump or vice versa.

Post by cjm on Feb 1, 2017 7:41:21 GMT

...But close aides to Sessions helped craft Trump’s order, most notably Stephen Miller, Trump’s new top domestic policy adviser and speechwriter who has worked alongside the Alabama senator for several years to defeat bipartisan immigration reform legislation and to warn against permitting the resettlement of refugees from overseas....

Post by cjm on Feb 1, 2017 7:45:05 GMT

...While senators toil over the qualifications and positions of Trump’s nominees, he has started meeting with world leaders, reshaping immigration and trade policy and urged congressional Republicans to begin overhauling the Affordable Care Act – with most of the seats around the White House Cabinet Room still empty...

It seems rather irresponsible leaving Trump without assistance and delaying confirmations on technicalities.

Post by Trog on Feb 1, 2017 11:35:32 GMT

...The furore seems rather excessive considering that the ban is of temporary nature....

I think that even that was the expectation - they were depended upon to do exactly that. Reuters has conducted a poll on what Americans think about the order: About 82% of Republicans support it, about 23% of Democrats and 44% of the rest. Clearly then, the majority of Americans do not agree with the outburst about it. Bannon has said that the more the Leftists and Main Stream Media clamour about things normal Americans feel are nonsensical, the more those normal Americans are getting pissed off with them, and the more irrelevant they get.

It's almost like trolling: You sometimes get these white extremist xenophobes who go onto forums such as Stormfront or whatever and pretend to be Sipho, saying things like '... we'll take back the stolen land...we will rape the white women...' etc. in order to wind up people who are otherwise rather moderately inclined. I think this is equivalent, just more sophisticated. Like maneuvering other people into becoming Sipho.

4 months from now, they're just going to say: "So what was all that noise about?"

Post by Trog on Feb 8, 2017 6:59:06 GMT

Joel Pollak is a South African-born lawyer, former speechwriter to Tony Leon and the son-in-law of a local anti-apartheid activist. He also happens to be the editor-at-large of Breitbart, the alt-right website credited with helping galvanise white nationalists in America. Now he is being touted as a potential US ambassador to South Africa.

Post by cjm on Feb 8, 2017 7:22:57 GMT

Joel Pollak is a South African-born lawyer, former speechwriter to Tony Leon and the son-in-law of a local anti-apartheid activist. He also happens to be the editor-at-large of Breitbart, the alt-right website credited with helping galvanise white nationalists in America. Now he is being touted as a potential US ambassador to South Africa.

Incredible!!

The fact that I am considered an adult is both terrifying and hillarious

Post by Trog on Feb 8, 2017 16:27:45 GMT

Anyway, for the majority population of South Africa, I cannot imagine a more uncomfortable choice for the American Ambassador than a right-wing Jew married to the black daughter of an anti-Apartheid activist. Dare I say, it has Bannon written all over it.