Tithing in the church – I

In the bible, tithing, offerings and the temple tax is mentioned. But, the church teaches it today in a way that is non-biblical. The temple tax was what was used to support the temple. It was a set amount, like a shekel per person, about 25 cents each. With several million people giving a shekel, this was adequate.

Today, the tithe is used instead of the temple tax. Originally, only the men came 3 times a year to bring an offering…not the women or children…..especially not single mothers, widows, cripples, sick people, poor people. When tithing was done, only landowners did it, because the tithe came from their harvest of land that was completely paid for. People who did not own property could not do this. They were only servants. When the tithe was brought, as well as offerings, the giver ate the tithe before the Lord, and shared some with the priest. This was a time of fellowship with God, like having an intimate dinner with the Lord. The tithe was not used to support the priest’s salary, or buy him a car, or build him a house. In fact, the priest was not allowed to own any property.

Today, pastors use the tithe to pay themselves, build additions on to the church, and pay administrative costs. The poor usually get nothing, and “eating the tithe” is considered robbing God. The church frowns on the giver keeping some of the tithe for one’s own use, like buying food to eat, because the tithe belongs to God, not the giver, according to the church view.

This is not what scripture says. Scripture says the purpose of the tithe is for the giver to eat it (actually physically benefiting from it), and do so before the Lord, sharing with others who have need. Today, the giver is denied any benefit from the tithe, thus denying him his fellowship dinner with the Lord. Instead, it is removed from him under a message of guilt and obligation, and the pastor and elders pull a salary from his gift. In the bible, the pastors and elders did not get paid. The bible said they all worked for a living, and anyone who did not work, did not eat. No one, especially the leaders, expected others to work while they sat around on their holy behinds, and waited for a free handout. All the believers studied the scriptures, not just the pastors. And all the believers were ministers to others. No one had a paid position. This is an artificial system created by so called leaders who did not want to work for a living.

To make it worse, instead of just demanding tithes from the men who owned property and had a harvest, the church now shamelessly demands tithes out of widows, students, single moms, and sick people on disability. Instead of feeding the poor, the church is taxing the poor. If one is not a tither in the church, then they cannot have membership. If one then is not a member, then they deserve no benefits from the church, especially financial help, which is the main need of the poor. People who are still trying to buy their first property, and are in debt, are required to give, even though this is against scripture. Some ministers actually have the nerve to tell people who do not have any money (the poor), to put large donations on their credit cards, going into debt, and just believe God will bring money to them so they can pay the credit card bill. People are threatened with the curses of God if they do not tithe. In the Bible, God wanted 10% of what the property owner had produced on his land as a profit, not 10% before expenses.

In the church today, members are required to give 10% of their gross, before expenses, not their “profit” after expenses. In the bible days, there were no federal taxes, state taxes, social security deductions, parking fees, gasoline expenses, auto insurance, electricity bills, property taxes, IRS, and babysitting fees. All there was – was the temple tax of one shekel (25 cents). The church has no mercy on people who actually work for a living, and demands 10% of the gross. This is really sick. The average church does not preach the gospel to the unsaved. The average church supports its own “me first ” programs. Church programs may be fine in concept, but the meaning of the offerings and tithes is lost in a new social hall, and a pay raise for the pastor, who will not work for a living as the bible requires. The bible never told any pastor to quit working and hang around full time as a pastor. What do these pastors do all week? Are they reaching the lost as they claim? Answer …no.

The sheep need to get smart. They are ministers too. Pastors are only for the newly saved, because once they are taught, they should be out helping others, bringing new converts into the church. In the bible, the pastors were only for the untaught gentiles. The Jews did not need pastors since they already knew the scriptures. It is a modern day disgrace that pastors have convinced members that they are to stay forever in the church, once they are taught, and just stay to pay tithes to support the pastor’s salary. After 20-30 years, these members should be doing more than sitting there. They should be out preaching the gospel to the unsaved. They do not “need” their pastor anymore because they are not newly saved and in need of teaching.

If the sheep just realized the power they had, they would bust loose from this bondage and turn the world upside down. I hope and pray they get the point soon.

Buy the truth, and sell it not Prov 23:23.

Do not sell the gospel !!

Clickhereto read more about the original commandment and practice of tithing.

Clickhereto read more about the false doctrine of seed time and harvest as money, and NOT the word of God. .

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316 Responses to “Tithing in the church – I”

Hello,

Warm Christian Greetings.

You make good points regarding the abuses of some pastors. In fact, as a pastor myself, I agree with a lot of what you have wrote. The “seed time and harvest” doctrine – as interpreted and promoted by many – to the point of mass abuse – is a hersey. However, I believe you too have erred when you stated that people who have be saved a long time do not “need” a pastor. In fact your statements are in direct violation of God himself. (See Jeremiah 3:15). If you are incline to dismiss this because it’s in the OT – see Ephesians 4:11-13. Even if you are among those of who have matured in the Faith, Apostle Paul’s point is that God wants us to remain under leadership (And yes, godly, loving, leaders who have the spirit of humility) – “Till we all – come in the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God unto a perfect (whole; fully matured) man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:”. Question, do you believe that we/all (the body of Christ – worldwide) have reached this point? If so, when did this occur? Furthermore, what example are you setting for those who look to you (your writing, etc.) – in terms of your ability to humbly submit to a loving, godly, father/leader? (Paul said that we should follow him as he follows Christ) To this end, obviously I don’t know you personally, but thru your writing you seem sincere (If I might add, you also have a gift to write). However, I pray that you don’t allow the abuses you have noted and/or experienced to cause you to skew, misinterpret or misrepresent the Word of God. If you continue in this vein you will be – unwittingly or not – guilty of the same thing (false doctrine) of which you have noted in others. My prayer for you is that you will – via the Holy Spirit – “rightly divide the Word of Truth”. I believe my writ to you is “…in love…”; I pray you will receive it as such. Peace & God Bless.

I believe just as the man wrote about tithing. I did belong to a baptist church,but I know for a fact the HOLY SPIRIT told me to leave organized religion. Now I take the money that GOD so generously gives me and minus what it takes to pay my bills and food etc, and use the rest to help widows ,orphans and the poor. And it’s definitely more than 10% . So just like the man said,instead of putting 10% in a basket every week and supporting a building I obey GOD.

I rejoice that you are free from the bondage of “the spirit of religion” (manifested in denominationalism), recognizing that you are a member of The Body of Christ. He is the head of His church. The Spirit revealed this to you, no doubt about it.

I once was a Concervative Baptist, an American Baptist and an Independent Fundamental Baptist member over about 12 years. Today, I visit with Southenrn Baptisits and a non-denominational church filled with Baptist doctrine and principles. So, I am personal and spiritual familiar with what I’m sharing with you. The Baptist church seems to abdicate the power, fullness of the Holy Spirit.

Suggestions for you from my experience and what I’ve come to learn.

Continue to drink in the Holy Spirit (water of life); fill up your vessel with oil (Holy Spirit) and inhale in the breath of God (Holy Spirit).

I suggest that you pray the prayer Paul wrote in Colossians chapter 1.

And, watch this video message by a great teacher of the Word regarding the 7 Spirits of God (Isaiah 11:2), which is the fullness of The Spirit, given to us. Please read Isaiah 11:2.

Once you read Isaiah 11:2, I think you will see those 7 words/phrases jump off the pages throughout Scriptures (see Acts 9:31 for example).

Also, after reading Isaiah 11:2, consider Paul’s prayer for Believers, which can be your prayer too.

“Father God, make me (Mike) completely sure of what You want by giving me all the wisdom and spiritual understanding of my need; that this will help me live in a way that brings honor to my Lord and pleases You in every way; that my life will produce good works of every kind and that I grow in knowledge of You Father God so that You strengthen me with all might, according to Your glorious power, so that I will be patient and not give up when troubles come, in Jesus name Amen” (Colossians 1:9-12, personalized).

The prayer Paul wrote above is asking God to fully apply Isaiah 11:2, filling up their vessel (wise virgins, Matthew 25) that comes by the Spirit of Truth (John 16:12-15) – when we ask.

He makes us lie down in green pastures and He leads us beside the still waters (Psalm 23). He does not force us to drink or make us stop drinking at any time – the water of life is available to us so drink it in.

God bless you.

“Praise the Lord!
Great blessings belong to those who fear the Lord,
who are happy to do what he commands.
Their descendants will be given power on earth.
Those who do right will be greatly blessed.
Their family will be very rich,
and their goodness will continue forever.
A light shines in the dark for those who are good,
for those who are merciful, kind, and fair.
It is good for people to be kind and generous
and to be fair in business.
Such good people will never fall.
They will always be remembered.
They will not be afraid of bad news.
They are confident because they trust in the Lord.
They remain confident and without fear,
so they defeat their enemies.
They freely give to the poor.
Their goodness will continue forever.
They will be honored with victory.
The wicked become angry when they see this.
They grind their teeth in anger, but then they disappear.
They will never get what they want most.God bless you” (Psalm 112, Easy-to-Read Translation).

The Leadership of Father, Son and Holy Spirit, with the word should be adequate enough…The word says we are to embrace one another, building each other up, encouraging, using our gifts…to do two things …. carry the gospel to the lost and broken and then loving the broken into a relationship not religion…Pastors, Elders, Deacons, Leaders have stepped way beyond boundaries to extreme Artificial and UN-Authentic…We are all Ministers of the Gospel…I just left another church b/c they insisted on selling “pancake breakfast” tickets on Sunday Morning right in front of the doors you enter to the Sanctuary. And if that wasn’t bad enough, they had sample plates of what you would get if you bought a $7 dollar ticket for the following Saturday when the “pancake breakfast” would be held. An entire table set up to entice you with food shoving plates in your face in order to get you to support their ministry…as your walking up preparing to worship God…What do you suppose is the message we are sending out to those who are not knowledgeable Pastor? … as well as to those who are obviously not reading the word of God…or they would know better not to make mockery of God’s house by exercising such behavior just as the money-changers did when Jesus overturned their tables…Which is exactly what I felt the urge to do ! Come out of her ! Yes, wake up sheep and see how your Pastors are living high and lavishly off the word of God and how they are building their little kingdoms on earth and feel they have the right to. Jesus came to serve, not be served. Start talking, Start becoming a mover and shaker by reading the inspired word of God and pray for change instead of allowing church leaders to condemn you for speaking out truth…

AMEN…….IF YOU DON’T KEEP YOUR EYES ON CHRIST, SUBMIT YOURSELF UNTO ACCOUNTABILITY TO GOD AND THEN EACH OTHER,DISCIPLE ONE TO ANOTHER (IN LOVE) OR FIX YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT WE AS MATURE SERVERS, NEED AND SHOULD DESIRE INSTRUCTION (S) ON ALL LEVELS (TOP TO BOTTOM)………IF,NOT THEN OF COURSE THE ENEMY IS GOING TO DO HIS JOB AND THAT IS TO DECEIVE,KILL, AND DESTROY. A BELIEVER WHO DOES NOT EXERCISE HIS OR HER GIVEN AUTHORITY (THRU CHRIST’S FINISHED WORK ON THE CROSS) IS GUILTY OF NOT BELIEVING AND MOCKING GOD’S SON ALL OVER AGAIN. YOUR SHAMING AND DOING THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE WERE CREATED FOR AND THAT IS TO BRING GLORY TO OUR SAVIOR……
BOTTOM LINE : THERE ARE DOERS AND THERE ARE TALKER….TALKERS ARE BEING,RIGHT NOW WEEDING OUT…A SIFTING…SOME HAD BETTER CHECK THEMSELVES OR BE CHECKED.

My pastor allows that in his church. But the proceeds go to the ministries in the church. I personally think it’s still not right. I have had other personal issues with that church body. I found another church that does more outside than inside. I have freedom and am not bogged down with guilt because of this or that. I have also tried to talk with him and my previous pastor about helping me financially and they bitj rold me, “you don’t tithe”. They don’t know or should not know if I tithe or not. Church today needs to stop and read what the bible really says. I’m so disgusted by how they do things.

the statement above is true.the majority of pastor’s today are mentally abusing God’s children on the message of tithing in today’s churches. first of all they like to throw malachi, 3:8-10 on God’s children, because many believer’s donot study God’s written word, and most that do, don’t study it in full context. now I want you to get this through your head. if you have called on Jesus Christ, and asked him to be your lord and personal savior, his precious blood not only cover’s your sins but the power of his blood removes them. so if a person chooses to thithe, he or she is blessed if they do and blessed if they don’t. If you are a child of God, his holyspirit convicts you that you are the righteousness of God in Chrit Jesus. there is no more condemnation

It makes sence but i still dont understand wish i could learn more about the thithes. I want to do whats right nd what the Lord requires of me…. I also disagree that we don’t need a pastor. The pastor is our teacher of the word of the Lord and we need a head of the church who can guide us and counsel us when we have problems but more then anything to keep teaching nd bringing new members to the house of the Lord and also reunite all the brothers & sister’s

1. True, I agree. Longevity in being saved does not equal maturity. Some people never read, or better, study, their Bibles, and just depend on the pastor to do it for them. I see them as perpetual “lambs,” not mature sheep. They will always need a pastor because they are either too busy working, or they are lazy. These are also the ones who will most likely fall for every false doctrine, because they are not checking out what they hear. In this case, the unknowledgeable need a good pastor.
2. However, it was not meant to be this way. People are expected by God to grow up, and mature. Even Paul complained that some only wanted the milk of the Word, and needed the meat of the Word.
3. Pastors are expected to be mature in the Word. Their only real shepherd should be Jesus. I see this as true for any mature believer, who is as knowledgeable and experienced as a mature pastor. There is a point where each person should grow to, and when that point comes, that person should be ministering themselves.
4. People have to fit and be well matched to any church or pastor. If the pastor is just out of seminary, and the member knows more than he does, there is no need for the member to be there. The member already knows what the new pastor is going to say. I have been in the Word for 40 years now, and I have to admit that most pastors are boring to me now. This is because they talk about the same things all the time – things I already know, and could give a sermon on myself. I am always looking for “fresh bread,” not “stale bread.” True, it might be fresh to someone else, but it is not fresh to me.
5. Many pastors have hit a plateau. They studied when they were younger, compiled a set of sermons, and only occasionally go beyond that for fresh revelation. Their sheep do not develop past the level of the pastor, if they are the dependent type. This is when the church starts to die. The dependent types may stay, but the more mature ones might leave.
6. The early apostles looked to Jesus to be their only and true shepherd. They were ready to minister when they were just in their 20’s, or maybe early 30’s. This is because they were Jewish, and had studied Torah their whole lives. They were prepared to hear what Jesus had to say. They had the scriptural foundation that gentiles did not have. Once trained by Jesus, they moved into ministry. They had Peter as a central figure, but they did not need him to teach them. He was there to minister to the newly saved, as the early apostles brought in new converts. I cannot see the early apostles and disciples of Jesus sitting there every week, waiting for Peter to give them a revelation or teach them something. This is because they were already equipped. They were at the same level that Peter was. They had achieved “the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God” that you mention. So yes, in one lifetime, one can reach this point.
7. Paul was assigned to the gentiles, who basically knew nothing about God, or the scriptures. They did not have the foundation that the Jewish apostles had. This was going to take a long time to get them up to speed. They were going to need evangelists to bring them in, and pastors to teach them. Even with them, Paul insisted that they move from the milk of the word to the meat of the word.
8. I see immature believers as needing a pastor, one well trained and constantly gleaning fresh revelation from the Bible. I see mature believers as looking to Jesus as their shepherd, not man. This is because they should be at the same knowledge level as a pastor, ready to teach others.
9. Neither new believers or more mature believers need some of the people I see on TV, which seems to be influencing other pastors not televised.
10. As a mature believer, I do find most pastors uninteresting, because they are still teaching at a level I have already been at, and I have moved on. They cannot lead me where I have already been. If pastors would understand this, and reach a little deeper into the Word, they would find fresh bread for everyone in the church, instead of appealing to the less informed, and allowing the more mature to leave, or quietly stagnate.
11. As a human being, I do not look to any man for leadership, especially when there is no “match” between what they have to offer and what I would need. The scripture says to go to God, not man. But again, babes in Christ will need to start somewhere, and need mentoring. And yes, I do believe that one can achieve the same level that the apostles and early disciples did. That is the whole point of ministry. If ministry cannot produce mature believers, ready to minister, fully equipped, then it has failed the commission of the gospel.
12. What I see, as I mentioned before, is that many pastors have stopped growing themselves, and they have hit a plateau. For any member, who is at that plateau with the pastor, who wishes to continue to grow, they need to leave and move on. If they can find a more inspired pastor, then they have found a new home. If they can’t, then they are stuck.
13. So, also what I see, some of the ministry callings were just meant to be for the newly saved, who knew nothing about the Bible, and need lengthy and in depth, instruction until they matured and were equipped also. I do not see where they would continue to need a father figure once they had “grown up,” because they would now look to Jesus as their shepherd and father, not the pastor.
14. I still see mature, and not mature, believers coming together for fellowship. This is recommended also. But if people do this, and they have to sit through a sermon on why they should give from their poverty to the church building fund, then this will ruin the fellowship atmosphere, and put undeserved pressure on the people.
15. I currently attend a church where the offering is not asked for during service. There is a plate outside the sanctuary for offerings. That way, people are not put under pressure during the fellowship service. This method actually assumes the people are mature, and can be trusted to give as their conscience dictates. This is the way the offerings were accepted in the temple during the time of Jesus, and is also the way Jewish synagogues operate to this day. But now, most pastors do not trust the sheep, and pass the plate around. When you are confronted with the plate, you feel obligated to put something in, because others are watching. This destroys the “cheerful giver” feeling, and imposes a sense of being pressured into something.
16. Maybe the body of Christ, as a whole has not reached the point you mentioned. – ie – “come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God unto a perfect (whole; fully matured) man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ:” . This would be true if there were many new converts constantly coming into the church, and needing to mature, which is not really the case in America. Most are leaving the church.
17. However, this is also true, in some ways, because ministry has failed to teach and help people mature, since many ministers are not mature themselves, or on the proper path.
18. The mature believers need to be acknowledged as such, and allowed to minister as well. Many are told to stay seated, and stay under the pastor forever, even after both have reached their max. This is stifling the mature believer. It is like the pastors need the sheep, more than the sheep need the pastor.
19. Anyone, pastor and mature believer, can continue to grow in revelation, and can share insights with each other. The Word is made to constantly reveal new things to us. But this does not dictate a structured relationship between the two, where one is subjected to be under the other.

Marianne, I really enjoyed your information about tithing… And I understand what your saying, I have been in church for 3 years now, possibly 4 years… And I feel that guilt of not being able to tithe, ( but I think to my self Is it because God is condemning me because I cant afford to pay my tithe, or am I feeling condemned because the pastor actually says tithe 10% it’s due To The Lord) Times are very tough for all of us, I understand… I am married with 6 children, my husband and I both work… A lot of times we can’t afford to tithe… I have spoken to God, and said Lord if I can afford to pay it I will…. Our pastor even preaches of experiences that he had, when he has checked his mailbox and found a check in the mail…. Im sure these financial miracles are true… Nothing like this has ever happened for me though…. Also not sure if it’s true, but I heard once that all leadership roles in a church must pay their tithes to keep their position in the church, is this true?

I know that God knows I am doing the best I can, and you mentioned earlier about how God can speak to our hearts about giving, this is true… I felt compelled to give, when I didn’t have much…

Your post also reminded me of a thought I had the other day, I thought well if there are rich members in this church, shouldn’t the rich be helping out the poor? For example, the rich can obviously afford to pay their tithes, but I can not all the time…

Tithing in the NT is not legal. There should be no paid staff in a church. we are just to give free will offerings as the spirit leads us. the rich pastor and all his friends need to get a full time job and stop bothering people for money.

the stories he tells are a scam to get you to think you will get checks in the mail like him.. this is called prosperity preaching and the pastors are going to hell for doing this.

Mal 3:10 is not about YOU giving money and being obedient. it is god yelling at the priests because they were keeping the tithes for themselves. that is what bad pastors do today.

help the real poor. yourself and family, and other poor you meet. the church today – for the most part – does not care about the poor. instead, it demands money from them, and lies to them about false prosperity messages which are taken out of context.

if we obey god, he will take care of us….we do not need to bribe him with money, and have magic money show up from magic sources.

Iam4real33
Hello, I’ve been studying the Scriptures for over twenty years now, and I don’t see anywhere in the Bible where we as New Testament Christians are told that we should tithe, we are told to give as we feel led. Tithing was for the Israelites as you can read in the start of Malichi, and was binding under the Levitical Priesthood and Old Covenant, Christ has paid all our debts including our tithe. If you want to hear it from a (sound) Pastor of about fifty years D A Waite is one of many who understands the difference from the two mutually exclusive covenants. (you can find his sermons on sermon audio or bible for today baptist church) http://www.sermonaudio.com/search.asp?SpeakerOnly=true&currSection=sermonsspeaker&keyword=D.^A.^Waite%2C^Th.D.%2C^Ph.D.

Wrong teaching can bind you, you need to know that God does not require your money, nor do you need to fund your Pastors Mercedes, If he makes you feel that you do, it is probably because he isn’t called of God, he’s mostly blind. You should make sure you read the Bible and as you grow to understand it, the truth will set you free. Unless you have an abundance (more than you know what to do with), you should be able to ‘not give’ with a clear conscience.

Here is one passage I can think of right off the top about this so called prosperity preaching 1 Tm.6:
5Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

6But godliness with contentment is great gain.

7For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.

8And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.

9But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.

10For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

12Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses. These are the things we need to work on scripture only 2 Tm.3:16-17; if we hold to them we are in the Lord’s mind, 1 Cor.2:1-16 this is the only way to know His mind is to have His Word living in us!

Mt.23:12And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
Lk.14:7-*11*-14!

Lk.17:7But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat? 8And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink? 9Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not. 10So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

The Church of today needs to be more than just a church it needs to be equipping its congregations to go out and start daughter works, though Discipleship and Stewardship lessons until they are equipped for full service; but this can never happen until they get filled with the Holy Spirit who does the equipping! Jesus will equip anyone He calls into service, but many are called but few are chosen; Mt.7:13-14; 20:16 and 22:14; It is exactly as you said, this kind of teaching is a gift of our Lord and we are to seek after the best gifts for the edification of the body of Jesus Christ! It is surely a shame Dan.12:2 that many do not ever get the chance to grow to full maturity in there home churches such as the one I left for the exact reasons you stated above and I for one can vouch the same experiences!
For this reason I doctored up an article I saw someone else started on and went through and changed some of his work that needed correcting, but it is quite lengthy and I will not post it here. Hopefully this link will work to my blog sight if anyone care to go and read it.
This stay, pray, pay and obey mentality is not what a church is supposed to be providing; it should be a hospital for the needy who need physical healing as well as mental, it should cloth the naked, it should feed the hungry, take care of the widows and orphaned and all such as required in scripture for us to take care of! We are to grow as a body of believers with many daughter works not see how big we can get in one place!
We are to teach and equip so our congregations of the presbytery which are elders can start their own works who are of maturity and have proved themselves in the body! Most Pastors today have a strangle hold on the congregation so tight that even the Holy Spirit is unable to operate because of their fear of losing control, all things must be done in an orderly fashion but the Holy Spirit is supposed to have preeminence! It is after all His power that gets the work done! If allowed to operate!~
Lord’s Way Ministries
The Lord’s Humble Servant,
Rev. G. L. Boyett

I don’t mind paying tithes and offering if the money is used to uplift the Kingdom of God church and the needs of those who needs it. I do, however agree with the writer statement about how some Pastors, and the elder of the church can make you feel that if you don’t tithe then you will be under a financial curse from God. There are times because of financial setbacks, I am not always able to constantly pay my tithes, and thereforee during offering, I am left with feelings of guilt , apologizing to God for not having 10% of my earnings. I like to believe that God knows that in my heart that I truly want to pay my tithes, but there are times that i alway can’t. So! with that, when my family and I are suffering financially, I think that God has place us under a financially curse as punishment.
Can someone tell me under what scriptures where is can actually say that our tithes must be paid bi-weekly, or monthly. Again I don’t mind giving, because it is my heart desire to give when I can. I am not a selfesh person. I just would like an anwser because I don’t want to continue to feel guilty anymore when I can’t give my 10%.

We are free from laws. All that you own, belongs to Him and not you. Sow when He asks you to, hold back when He doesn’t. Read Deuteronomy 26 and Isaiah 58. Tithes in today’s world fund an institution not even ordained by God…instead of looking after His needy children whom were put there to test your love…Jer 6:27. God sometimes uses us to test others with. Not a nice job, few candidates..lol 🙂

Carol
Hello, I’ve been studying the Scriptures for over twenty years now, and I don’t see anywhere in the Bible where we as New Testament Christians are told that we should tithe, we are told to give as we feel led. Tithing was for the Israelites as you can read in the start of Malichi, and was binding under the Levitical Priesthood and Old Covenant, Christ has paid all our debts including our tithe. If you want to hear it from a (sound) Pastor of about fifty years D A Waite is one of many who understands the difference from the two mutually exclusive covenants. (you can find his sermons on sermon audio or bible for today baptist church) http://www.sermonaudio.com/search.asp?SpeakerOnly=true&currSection=sermonsspeaker&keyword=D.^A.^Waite%2C^Th.D.%2C^Ph.D.

Remmember there is no tithing tought by Christ or by the Apostles to the Church. Mt 23:23 Jesus is telling the Pharisees what they should have done if they were trying to follow the Law of Moses. Hebrews mentions Tithes in relation to the Levitical preisthood Etc, but anyone who tells you that that is teaching us to tithe is a goat, or a very lost sheep in the wrong place. I don’t say that lightly.

Here is some of the principles of Christian giving, they were having a offering to help the christians in Jerusalem who had been hit by a bad harvest.

2 Corinthians 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

2 Corinthians 8:8 I speak not by commandment,<<>>a man hath, and not according to that he hath not.<< For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened: But by an EQUALITY…

You could ask is your Pastors wealth equal to yours?

The Apostle is teaching here that we shouldn't give ourselves into poverty, nor give out of Poverty, but if we have 'ease' and we can see a need…

It sounds a little complicated at times in because some of the churchies had pledged, or perhaps Paul was just saying to them that if they had pledged to God in their heard to give, then they should give as they had purposed, and it is for that purpose that he recommends to some of them that they should lay an amount aside on the first day of the week, this wasn't a perpetual ordinance it was a one off event, but the principles can be helpfull.

2 Corinthians 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness.

1 Corinthians 16:1-3 Now concerning the collection for the saints, (Christians) as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem.

It can be quite difficult to come to terms with the fact that sometimes the pastor is as carnal as anyone in the pew, but he is just a naturaly gifted business man.

Wrong teaching can bind you, you need to know that God does not require your money, nor do you need to fund your Pastors Mercedes, If he makes you feel that you do, it is probably because he isn’t called of God, he’s mostly blind. You should make sure you read the Bible and as you grow to understand it, the truth will set you free. Unless you have an abundance (more than you know what to do with), you should be able to ‘not give’ with a clear conscience.

Hi. Don’t feel guilty. I know this post is real old. I just found it though. I am disgusted by how the churches are set up like a business now. It’s sad. I am on a fixed income and I don’t have much to give to the church like I once had. I give to the poor and leave servers good tips. I like this verse. “Cornelius stared at him in terror. “What is it, sir?” he asked the angel. And the angel replied, “Your prayers and gifts to the poor have been received by God as an offering!”
-‭‭Acts of the Apostles‬ ‭10:4‬‬http://bible.com/116/act.10.4.nlt

First, the tithe was discontinued in the early church as grace replaced the law. The tithe was only for the temple in Jerusalem, nowhere else. The christians were only to give as their heart led them.

If you want scriptures about tithing, you have to go back to the old testament, where you go back under the law to obey. Tithing was only done once a year, but not every year. Some years, offerings were dedicated to the poor, and once every 7 years, there was no tithe, because they let the land rest, and no one worked, or planted, or harvested.

Only men paid tithes, not women or widows, or children, or single mothers.

I AM IN A SIMILAR SITUATION, AND SOMETIMES FEEL LIKE I AM A CURSED BECAUSE SOMETIMES I FALL INTO A FINANICAL BIND BEYOND MY CONTROL. IN SOME CHURCHES THE PASTOR WONT LET MINISTERS PREACHED OR PRAY. I DO BELIEVE IN GIVING TO THE LORD. AND SOMETIMES I GET DISCOURGED BUT I CONTINUE TO TRUST IN THE LORD. PLS PRAY FOR ME. J. C.

Just follow your heart as to what you want to give. Do not reveal your income to people, so that they expect a certain amount from you. It sounds like you are in ministry as well? Also, do not feel obligated to stay in a particular church. If one is too restricting, go elsewhere.

I would not recommend hopping around just because of income, you must pray Gods perfect will and ask him to show you your duty and purpose for being at that church. You are not under the 10 percent law but you sould give according to your heart and what holy spirit directs you to give. it may be 100 it may be 50 i dont know but remember always pray before you make any permanate decisions in a temporary place. much love and prayer for you.

Marianne, regarding your comment to John… Your advice was not to mention his income to anyone… I personally felt uncomfortable tithing at church because the church wants me to write down the amount I put into the tithing envelope, and then sign my name…. I wanted to remain unanonymous…. I don’t want my name on the tithe envelope, Is this wrong? I thought what I give to God, is between me and Him… ?

What about Christ’s commendation of the widow who gave her last mite? He did not clarify that she need not give at all or that there would no longer be a need for the tithe as HE next described how the temple would soon be destroyed. Mark 12.41-44 and continuing;

I know that there are part-time pastors that want to do the will of God and hopefully they can do it full time, the small churches they pastor cannot afford a salary or tithes so he works to support their families and he gives his tithes to the church as well and ends up paying the church bills etc… So are you telling the reader not to support the church or pastors? Or should they only support the big churches that are down the street? I know you search the bible and have found that the priest where set a side to take care of the temple and that was their job or duty whatever you want to call it. So they did work, I think that if a pastor is lazy and just wants to feed of the people that wrong, But I will not judge him for that I will leave God to do it. We see all the T.V. stuff and “They say, send money and you receive big blessing”, I don’t agree with that because if they where being bless they won’t be asking for it all the time. We get a mental picture that all pastors and churches are like that. We see the problems in this world and its going to get harder, the pastors that are trying to stay faithful to the cause are losing the fight, but God wants us to remain faithful to the end. I know that we have to warn the people of false things that are going out in the world and in the church. In the tithing, I think it’s not about the money, but the obedience to God, and that you trust in him. I know that there are pastor that will make you feel guilty. And they are trying to fulfill their own need. And yes, we need to look out for that. May God bless.

Absolutely Marchus I agree, not all pastors are like that, my pastor is not like that at all. There are those out there that are really giving their all to God and wants the best for the believers. Once again GIVING is something that should be at the core of every believers heart, rather its in paying bills or buying food, what if you were the pastor of a church trying to keep the bills paid and your people did not want to give to help. Do unto others as you would have others do unto you, is the pastor not a Brother or a man also, so why should he have to go in lack and be in need. He has bills just like everybody else but he also has a church building if you have one that needs to be taken care of. So we should not look at the pastor as someone that is excluded from the Golden rule or someone in need.

You are not correct that there is a mandate for any Gentile to pay tithes to get the blessing of God. Tithing was an Old covenant commandment before Jesus said Paid in full on the cross same as iT IS FINISHED. No gentile was in a covenant with God in the days of Malachi. We now have the blessing for all things based on what Jesus paid for us on the cross. If you called any Local Orthodox Synagogue you would be surprised to discover they no longer enforce the tithe law but give free will offering since no one but Levites were authorized to collect the tithes for upkeep of the Temple in Jerusalem and for the poor and the Levitical Priest which no longer exist and the temple was destroyed in 70 AD.

Jesus did not even praise the the paying Pharisee’s and they were still bound by the Old Covenant Malachi law because Jesus had not yet died or uttered the words paid in full. Christians are now free to give as they decide or purpose 2nd Corinthians 9:7
Wish Pastors understand Grace and what happened when Jesus said Paid in full. He said Paid in full, no pay in full. God with the Son freely gives us all things read Romans 8:32 .
We cannot be cursed over not tithing since Jesus took the curse to the cross Galatians 3:13 and Col. 2:14 No one who does not understand this should be a Pastor!

My comments were meant for the comment that there is a blessing on tithe payers. This is actually the opposite according to
Galatians 3:10 “For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them”.
THIS MEANS KEEP ALL 613 OF THEM ARE YOU ARE UNDER A CURSE CAUSE BREAKING ONE MEANS YOU VOID THEM ALL READ jAMES 2:10 .
Jesus told the tithe paying Pharisees in Matthew 23:23 tithing was not even the most important law and they were still under the law since Jesus had not yet died and said Paid in full.
Jesus help me cause these tithe police are so sickening and they hurt the poor not help the poor. The widow’s mite was a temple tax not a tithe. THE TITHE WAS PAID IN FOOD FROM LAND OWNERS ONLY! Too many bible illiterates, what a shame.

I do respect your views. They are very traditional, and most people are taught this.

What I was trying to point out here is that the new testament view of spiritual leaders is that they are no different than others in the congregation. In the early church, founded by the apostles, no one got paid from tithes. That was an old testament tradition and the high priest only got 1/50 of the tithe, and then he had to pay 10% of that to the temple. The priest only got that 1/50 because he was not allowed to own property – land – where he could grow his own food.

The tithe was never meant for the church, and was only to be paid in Jerusalem at the temple there. That is where the apostles paid their tithes until they died, or the temple was destroyed. They did not receive the tithe for themselves. That was illegal. Today, not even Jews pay tithes, because there is no temple, so trying to apply this to the church is totally illegitimate.

Church leaders in the new testament were expected to keep their regular jobs and just assist those new converts on the sabbath. For everyone, it was really a part time job, and they did it for free. Occasionally, an offering was taken if there was a need.

So if pastors want to follow in the footsteps of the apostles, they should do the same thing. Unfortunately, today, “church” is a business, and people get paid salaries. The tithe is also a requirement for membership. I have been told many times I was expected to pay tithes or I was robbing God. This is not true, since the tithe was never required of gentiles to begin with. Christians are being taught this false teaching to promote the business of church, so that a select few can profit from the efforts.

My opinion is that EVERY pastor should have a job and volunteer his time on Sundays. The word of God is not merchandise that you sell. I spend almost 50 hours a week on this site counseling people and helping to teach the Word of God. I have never asked for money. It would offend the Holy Spirit if I did. Pastors of any size church are wrong to demand pay, or to expect it. There are many people now NOT in church because of this exploitation.

There is no “obedience issue” with the tithe, because it is not required to begin with. Think for a moment. Not even Jesus asked for a salary. So why do modern day preachers? Because they turned it into a business.

I guess each church can make up their own minds what to do. But they will automatically exclude many people who cannot pay. The tithe is meant for the poor, and not the pastor. most of the time, the poor does not get much of anything, and the pastor gets paid and new buildings go up.

So this is my view. I do respect your views as well. I just want you to understand why I say what I do.

Maryann, thank you for your hard work.
I know God uses people like you. Many I’ve found don’t want the truth! I recently left church for many of the reasons you’ve already stated. Surpassing the pastor on knowledge, not being fed, being a bored spectator watching a performance. No it was not this way for the first three hundred of Christianity. Nothing of church today is biblical.
Ephesians 4:11 is always thrown out.
Nothing suggests these positions are permanent. I love how the sheep are encouraged to do the visiting and cooking and greeting and encouraging.
The early church as you pointed out were all involved in “church ” they understood they were the church. They had no concept of going to church, the fellowship was ongoing and daily. They didn’t sit in wooden pews or chairs while one man exalted himself, while the sheep sit in adoration throwing out the “amen”.
God called them!!!! God called us all.
1 Corinthians 14:26,, when’s the last time we saw that in “church”?
Some prayer groups do this as a side note, this was instruction for coming together.
The laziness as you mention with regards to Pastors continuing to be needed in my opinion keeps them lazy. The danger when the pastor is feeding them garbage.
The pastor is put on a pedestal. In the days of the early church where everyone participated the likelihood would be greater for one to correct the error of another. Today in church one who lacks knowledge ignorantly believes anything the pastor tells them. I have time and time again tried to explain to a fellow parishioner biblical truth only for them to doubt even scripture and instead believe the anointed pastor they’ve been brainwashed to believe was sent by God.
The pastor appears to have an exclusive in with God. Those who have a relationship with God have much to offer each week but they’re treated like small children in a classroom. My ex-pastor has his sermon ready every single Tuesday like clockwork. He works on it Monday. God appears to work on the pastors schedule. No part of me believes he was called by God. I do not believe Gid had called any man or woman into a building to stand behind a pulpit elevating themselves and sitting on their very large chair (throne) the fact we even call a building church is not biblical, it suggests a once a week worship, it suggests that’s where we find God, we are Gods house, yet we say, let’s go to Gods house.
It’s all a mess and perverted.
Tithing is man made. We do not need to worry about a mortgage, heat, electricity, salaries, ectt. Because God set if up in homes for three hundred years, it was good enough then, it should be now.
Culture and times have nothing to do with staying out of pagan temples.
When the early church all needed to gay together they arranged to meet in a larger area. They called all the little houses “the church” meaning the people.
They didn’t refer to fifty different churches even if it were fifty different houses, it was “the church in Jersalem”. The people. We have all been duped, God is a gentleman and when He’s called on no matter where He wil show up, that does not mean He approves which us why after the hoopla people leave, it’s kind of like eating Chinese food, fills you up but in no time your hungry again.
Thank you for your hard work.
Kim

Marianne thanks so much for enlighten wisdom of God. I just resigned from a church that preached tithe constantly . He wore malachi out (will man rob God) you know the drill. When asked why the members never get finance reports his remarks “it’s none of your business ” my response you’re the one constantly begging. If you’re begging me for my money then you are asking me to be in your business. We’re not valued or appreciate members we are “paying customers ” that’s being hoodwinked and bamboozled.

kim, enjoyed what you had to say very much, the part that caught my eye was when you mention how people in church believe the anointed pastor, makes me think of my own life…. My husband has went to this same church his entire life, and anything the pastor says is always correct…. I have only been in church for 4 years, and If the pastor preaches something that doesn’t sound right, I search it out… I pray, talk to God, even fast if I need to… I do this because I want to know where God stands!!! The church is a mess Yes, because as mention people have gotten lazy… God is a spirit, who must be worshipped in Spirit and in truth… We must all work on our own personal relationship with God…

When Jesus saw the widow, he was NOT showing her as an example of proper giving. He was rebuking the scribes and leaders for requiring money out of a widow, and said they were robbing her of all she had. He was NOT recommending that poor people give everything they had, when rich people could more than pay for what was needed. So he was not commending the widow. He was commenting on an unfair situation.

see the original context:

Mar 12:38 And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and [love] salutations in the marketplaces,
Mar 12:39 And the chief seats in the synagogues, and the uppermost rooms at feasts:

Mar 12:40 Which devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayers: these shall receive greater damnation.

Mar 12:41 And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much.
Mar 12:42 And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing.
Mar 12:43 And he called [unto him] his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury:

re: the worker is worthy of pay.

We are all workers. The best examples are the apostles themselves, and Jesus, and Paul, NONE of whom took a salary for their work. They only took occasional free will offerings when there was a need. NONE of them got paid from a tithe.

This is a spiritual kingdom, not a physical one. The rewards are spiritual, not money.

I think the main point Jesus was saying about the woman giving all that she had, it was not for tithing but for a freewill offering to the Lord and Jesus was respecting her outstnading faith for offering all that she had which ment more to Jesus then all the offerings that were so much larger than hers; she gav eit all because she needed something from the Lord and she was not going to let money get in the way of her blessing she was seeking for! This is what I get out of that verse about her, but ya Jesus was definately showing the disciples soon to be Apostles what to watch out for by the examples of the hypocrits He tore up in chapter 23 of Matthew!

i agree about her willingness…..but she should be receiving offerings from them as a widow, they should support her….not the other way around…..this is the sin Jesus was addressing…they devoured the widow’s house

The whole point of this teasury was for the poor; she wanting to show her need of a blessing because she knew God sees all and will indeed see her necessities of want: she was offering from her heart;
Matthew said this:The Poor Widow Commended (12:41-44)
Let us not forget that Jesus still sees the treasury. He knows how much, and from what motives, men give to his cause. He looks at the heart, and what our views are, in giving alms; and whether we do it as unto the Lord, or only to be seen of men. It is so rare to find any who would not blame this widow, that we cannot expect to find many who will do like to her; and yet our Saviour commends her, therefore we are sure that she did well and wisely. The feeble efforts of the poor to honour their Saviour, will be commended in that day, when the splendid actions of unbelievers will be exposed to contempt.
Matthew Henry Concise Bible Commentary. In the concise version the other is too lengthy to put in here: This was a freewill offering in honoring God’s provisions, for His people. She was simply giving her all out of a pure heart. 2 Tm.2:19-22.

Buit the main point being is if the offering is not from a willing heart you might as well keep your money and use it on necessities, it will not be accepted to the Lord unless it is truly from the heart.

Just as if we fast and during our fast we save all that money and food and then go and make it a freewill offering to the needy; this if done with a pure heart of a giving willingness the Lord sees and will honor it!

Ac.10:1There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,

2A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway. he fasted and gave alms often; he showed works worthy of repentance; Ac.26: 19Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:

20But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

i wrote priests for pay and where eagles gather during recovery from surgery….i am still recovering…..have thought a little about noah and the end times, comparing the timelines…but I have been tired and only worked on it a little bit. I am still on pain meds and only have a few good hours each day.

I’m so sorry to here all of this for you; may the Lord watch over you and keep you for a fast recover in Jesus name Amen! I will keep you in my prayers! God Bless and get well soon; patients is a virtue which increases our faith in all our testings, this is trruly how we overcome, Jn.16:33; I’ll let you go so you can get some rest and I read a book by Clarence Larkin maybe you have it or can get a copy but you better hurry they are getting expensive but He has wonderful time lines in them which are mostly acurate, he was a praticing engineer a very smart man and was gifted for his time. Get wll by for now.
Your frind in Christ
Brother Gary l. Boyett

The Disiples Study Bible by Cornerstone publishing has some time lines in it as well Zondervans Student study Bible has some good info in it as well as we as the Zondervans Archaeological Study Bible is excellent also though I prever the KJV they are instrumental in study helps. God bless.

I’ll do it in the mornign Lord willing going to bed now, almost 8:00 here I like to spend a couple hours with my wife before bed being I work on this thing all the day long.
Good night I’ll mention you in my prayers God bless!

Comments on time lines and matterial for Data:
I have found this sight that has many many books with wonderful imformation saved me thousands of dollars:
Christian Classics Ethereal Library:
Bringing Christian classic books to life;
Should be able to find it on line; while there I found my set of Systematic Theology by Hodge a 3 Vol. set; as well as History of the Christain Church by Phillip Schaff and 8 Vol. set with many ohters as well to numerous to mention; but in Vol.of Schaff’s history is a lime line also that I though might be helpful in you research; page 100 through and esp. pg. 135 but there are a lot of dates in Vol.1 which lays out the timelines which are talked about in the other vols. the nativity on page 128 for example closest birth date for Christ on pg.134-5; but the vast amount of other books with related works in these volumes is like a library or index to the works of other Historians in its footnotes! I also forgot this good reference book for a Chronological Study Bible which is KJV which I liked by Thomas Nelson the one I have is copyrighted in 2008; 1997; and portions back to 1982; where it labels everything by Epoch’s: it even starts off with a time line in the index; Holman’s Bible dictionary is good for dates for timelines along with The New Internation Dictionary of the Bible by J. D. Douglas & Merrill C. Tenney; If there are anythings you need help with in looking up let me know and I will be glad to help; your firend bro. Gary

We are not under the old law covenant.
There is much written in the scriptures regarding this account, all one need do is look it up.In fact Jesus stated that the law of the profits now hinge on two new commandments, the first is to love Jehovah with your whole heart mind and strength, the second is to love your neighbor as yourself, that he came, not to destroy the law, but to fulfill the law of the profits.
This means we are no longer required to give atighting or ten percent of all we own.
You really believe that the religious leaders are going to cut off their cash flow faucet!They are not holding true, and that is why they have lost favor with Jehovah, they are false teachers, wolves in sheep’s clothing misleading the flock.
Since when does one go into the house of God to hear a minister encouraging the flock to vote for one political leader or another?
How can you serve two masters, either you will prove false to the one or true to the other, can’t have it both ways.
This comes to the subject of one holding duel citizenship, too who’s country will their loyalties lay when their counted on to vote one way or another!
” CAN YOU HEAR THE ANGELS CRYING “

After reading this page I questioned God as to whether I should tithe. He answered me quickly with a yes. I do not believe in the message most pastors (esp.Charismatic ones)preach about giving. Sow your $1000 seed and God will bless you greatly. I used to believe that, when I first got saved. The widow women gave all that she had out of her want. In Matt. 23:23 (abbr.) you pay tithe of mint and anise and have omitted the weightier matters of the law these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. That last sentence is the key: not to leave the tithe undone. There have been times recently where if I gave my whole tithe, then I would come up short for the week. I went ahead and gave the whole tithe anyway and God helped me. Obedience brings blessing. In Genesis, Jacob said “I will surely give the tenth” that was before the law.Abram also gave the tenth. I believe that the pastor is our earthly Shepard .He watches over the flock and their souls, teaching them the truth of the word and preaching what the Lord has spoken to them for that hour. It is usually a confirmation of what God has been speaking to me. I don’t believe anyone can know so much that they don’t need to sit under a pastor, which God has placed in authority on Earth. In 1 Tim. 3:15 (abbr.) If I tarry long that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God which is the church of he living God the pillar and ground of the truth. Hebrews10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together as the manner of some is, but exhorting one another and so much the more as you see the day approaching. When I go to church I am uplifted and strengthened, sometimes I feel so bad that I have to drag myself there. I always feel better when I leave. I also go to minister in music and teach the children, maybe by doing this I have helped someone. I also minister in the local jail, visit home meetings, nursing home ….wherever the Lord leads. Shannon

There are a few comments I would like to add, first, until you (we) understand the festivals of God we cannot understand the tithe. The first festival is Shabbat. Then we can understand what real worship is and what it is not.

2nd – Tithe is always food – but giving is not always food. We are expected to give offerings as well as tithes, but the tithes are food and the offerings are money. All of these do not support a ministry …

3rd – The church (today) is a business and nothing Godly – shocking ! It was never meant to be a business. It was meant to be a body. A Body of believers that can come together and worship, read, study and fellowship with and for God.

4th – all this needs to be restored and understood before Yeshua can come again – Acts 3:21. Hurry – spread the word …

Barb, I’ve always wondered about the church, you mentioned the church is the gathering of a body of believers which come together to worship, read, study, etc… So why do we need a church building? My feeling has been why not just have church anywhere, don’t know if this would be right?

Any pastor uttering ‘tithing’ (for the purpose of money to come into the church, the pastor, the program, etc.) is guilty of selling God’s word period.

There is no excuse to use a biblical language for their own practice and benefit, no matter how noble purposes the money is to be used. It is like calling themselves as ‘Reverend’ (how reverend the mere human beings can be? Simply because they have a degree and a position by human schooling and human power organization (denominations)?

Why can’t be honest to say ‘bring one tenth of your income’ (some even call for one tenths of one’s possession in my country). Why not ask ‘two tenth’ if the congregation needs money. (I wonder, though, why they would need that much of extortion to begin with, unless they have squandered to debt or grandiose dream of human pride). What is the result of this selling God’s word business? Church prosperity. Largest church in the world is boasted by Cho, a self successful seller of God’s Word sprinkled with wealth health and prosperity Gospel. By fruit they will be known; by words they utter they will be revealed. Tell the pastors: don’t ever say ‘tithe’. Let them be honest, responsible, and accountable.

I think the biblical language is the “icing on the cake.” as Americans say. It is thin and sweet, and makes the cake taste good.

Misused or perverted scriptures are used to sweeten the prosperity gospel, so people will believe it.

We do not need gimmicks to get true believers to give. We just need to touch their hearts with the truth of the situation, and ask for compassion for such needs as orphans, widows, the poor,etc. Even a legitimate expense is ok, if you are just honest about it, and don’t promise miracles for the money. Like the furnace is broken – we need to fix it. Most people can understand the truth, if they ever get to hear it. Pastors are responsible for telling the truth if there is a legitimate need.

I thought this might be a good web site with good information but any one who is an island unto them self is out of the will of God. Your teaching has an angry tone to it and is way off base. Paul told the Philippians in chapter 4:15 that no other church shared with him in giving and receiving but them. VS 17 “Not that I seek the gift, but I seek the fruit that abounds to your account”. When we tithe and give we are in covenant with God, and fruit abounds to us. I tithe where I am being fed, and no I am not a milk Christian. I just made sure that I found myself a Pastor who knows more than me and is still seeking the deeper meanings of the whole Word of God; who does go out to the mission fields and lives by faith like the rest of us. Jacob vowed to tithe to God Gen 28:20-22, before the establishing of the temple. Abraham tithed to Melchizedek Gen. 14. But if you are still in denial since this is old testament, read Hebrews 7:1-9 which proves that the tithe actually goes to the great High Priest, our Lord Jesus Christ. That is where my tithe goes. My advise to you dear lady, get yourself under a good covering, submit to the word of God in truth lest you get twisted up into false doctrine.

Thank you again for the comments. It is ok to me if people disagree. This is an open web site for discussion and disagreement. The cognitive dissonance creates thought evaluation.

I just explain here the original purpose of tithe, and how it was to be used. The basic principles are not followed by most churches, which to me is sad. I am recommending that, if you do tithe, it should be used according to the purposes the bible teaches, and not for other things. You are supposed to sow in good soil.

Jesus did not receive tithes. Neither did his apostles. He did accept free will offerings, and never gave a sermon on tithing. The temple tax was used to support the priests in the old testament, the tithe was only for the temple in Jerusalem. Remember they used to have to sacrifice a lot of animals, and they were required to support the poor.

When people give to pastors in modern times, they are not necessarily giving to Jesus. The pastor is NOT Jesus. If the pastor was very observant, he would have to give up his home and car, and other worldly possessions, and live off the free will offerings of believers. Anything besides money for food, should go to the poor. He should also not own land.

The modern church generally abuses the tithe concept, and it, for the most part, is not used for what it was intended. I speak against the abuse of the Word, not against the Word itself. I speak in preserving the Word.

Heb 7 is talking about Abraham and Melchizedek, king of Salem.

I do not consider myself to be an island, and I do attend a church. My covering is not a pastor, or a church, but Jesus Himself. I give willingly as He directs.

Heb. 7 is quite often misinterprited. Abram paid the tithe of his loot not of his income. He would have paid the same tithe to any king he met on his way back from such a succesful recovery of Lot and his family and others from the kings that invaded the land as a gratitude. Where you told that Abram went at any other time to tithe to Metchizedek? Were you told he paid tithe of his possesion? Curse is any one under the law. If you choose to obey the law and offend in one then you are guilty of all.

Marianne…Preach it Sister..My Spirit Man is in agreement with what you have said here…I have not gone to Church in awile because I am no longer feed ..I leave hungry..I have learned more searching the word and asking God to help me grow..God is not just for an Hr. or two a week….If we feed our flesh once or twice a week we would die..The same with our Sritual walk..Christians are dead because they do not eat and the pastures are not feeding them what they need to grow..Some time we need to stop beibg spoon feed and eat on our own…Praise God..

Thanks for the good words. It is good to hear you are a mature Christian, looking for more than “milk.” 🙂

The saints are tired because they have not been fed in a long while. They just get fed recycled sermons pastors find on the internet. The Word of God should be fresh and new each day. I made a joke on this page:

::sigh of relief:: FINALLY! I am not alone in this! Glory to God for those of us who are not afraid to stand for the truth! I am getting alot of resistance to this topic since I have been researching and praying about it myself. I’d much rather send a tenth (or more) to a poor widow in Israel KNOWING that she will be fed for that month than to help pay for my (former) Pastor’s New Mercedes Benz!!!! Ha!

thank you. I guess you would guess I am not too popular around churches. As one pastor said, church is a business now. When he said that, I left. Yes, you can do more direct good by helping people directly. This is the biblical way of charity..feed the poor, visit the sick, give water to the thirsty….personal contacts.

..whatsoever u do to the least (poor, needy, widowed, disabled etc) of my brothers that u do unto me…these words from Jesus sum up the separation of sheep from goats. they are relevant in the tithing debate whenever christians cannot go beyond paying a mandatory tithe..there is never enough left over to cater for the ‘least of MY BROTHERS’ as stated in the scripture. The problem is that today’s church is a business with an ever-escalating expense (at the cost of poor congragants) that there is a temptation NOT TO REPENT FOR ENFORCING AN OUTDATED LAW. Christ did all at Calvary and no tithe ca ADD or SUBTRACT FROM THE FINISHED WORK OF THE CROSS OF CHRIST! both pastors and congregants find themselves in a CTACH 22 situation where they are not willing to be condemned for doing right but they would rather fake contentment as long as they gain FLESHLY APPROVAL…God bless u

The tithe was originally supposed to go to the poor, but in these modern times, the church expects the state to do this. It spends on its own programs, and neglects the poor, like you said.

In my area, you cannot get any help for the poor directly from a church. They will refer you to a social services agency. They will not offer. They will ask where you go to church, and tell you to go there. It does not matter if your own church is small, with no money, or if your own church rejects you, the other church still will not help you.

Sad, isn’t it?

The church has failed in America. I cannot speak about other countries.

I am a fairly new Christian and I have a deep desire to have a relationship with the Lord. I come from a very broken family, and neither of my parents has ever lived for God. I left home at a very young age and met my husband shortly after who was raised in the church, and I gave my life to God when we married. My husband and I now have two children and now more than ever I’ve had a burning desire to really know the Lord, I just don’t really know how. My husband is in the military and we just relocated to or current location. We have joined a church but I don’t feel like we are being properly feed and I feel like the women at the church are not really connected like we should be as women of God, we’re all just consumed with our own lives. My pastor’s wife told me that I just need to focus on God and not the women of the church, and I think she misunderstood my concern. Anyway, I was just doing some research online about tithing because, my husband and I just bought a house. I was actually working fulltime for a bit and felt like was I losing my mind and could no longer stand my children going to the sitter for 10 hours a day, I was in agony and asked the Lord for guidance. The Lord told me to resign from my job and raise my two young children and also be more of a support to my husband, and my husband also felt the same in his spirit. So I left my job and I’m at peace with it, but now money is tight, especially with a mortgage now. We can’t really afford to tithe right now and I’ve been feeling such guilt about it, they’ve been times when I didn’t go to church out of shame because we weren’t able to tithe. Just tonight after coming home from church I thought to myself “there must be a better way, this is not of God, this is not right”. So I ran into your site while researching the origins of the tithe, and I am so sad right now, I am still confused in some aspects because our pastor just told us that we need to be tithing off of our gross income because I’ve always thought that it was the reasonable thing to tithe off of the net. So I calculated how much 10% of our gross income is and it’s not doable right now, and I’m just torn about this issue.
So as I’m typing this message to you with a heavy heart I want to ask you how can I become that mature Christian that you mention again and again? Because I’m not gaining the same knowledge about the original purposes of the tithe and the purpose of the pastor to the church just from reading my bible. Where do I go and what do I read to find out about those things that aren’t necessarily in the bible, but have so much to do with it?

Last question, as I mentioned before my family members are not Christians and I tend to receive lots of ridicule for me choosing to go to church and live for the Lord. My mother really told me off the other day and laughed at me for giving money to the church. I don’t have found memories of my childhood but I want to be a reflection of Christ to my family. I love my parents and I really want my kids to know who there grandparents are, but at the same time I feel like I need to protect them from the negativity and the coldness that has been a family plague. I believe that there has been a curse on my family that the Lord has broken off of me and the generations to come, but I do believe that the environment in still so unhealthy. So my question is to what extent does “honor thy mother and thy father” apply to these situations? Am I obligated to withstand certain treatment and be in certain environments because they are my parents or can I love them from a distance? What is your take? Thanks in advance for your time.

From your letter, you are already more mature than you think. Tithing today is an abused law that is twisted by the church in order to stay in business. Not even the Jews tithe now, because there is no temple in Jerusalem. Only the temple tax is used for synagogue support, which is about $500 – 800 a year per household. The rest is voluntary offerings.

1. purpose of the tithe – It originally was for the poor. The law did not collect tithes from the poor, or the needy (low income), but GAVE to the poor from what was brought in. It was only collected once a year, not every week. It did not go to a pastor’s salary, personal car, a building program, or to pay a mortgage on the temple. There are 2 posts on tithing. Be sure you read both of them. one is more extensive. The tithe was old testament law, when there was a theocracy, and no other taxes. We are now under grace. We just give from our hearts as we are able. The “10% of gross salary” is a lie. It is not in the bible anywhere.

2. maturity – this comes with a full commitment to Christ and a knowledge of the scriptures that is sufficient to support one’s faith. You do not have to memorize the bible first. You just have to be able to search out topics you need to get the correct information. Remember the early apostles were most likely in their 20’s, and they were ready to go out and preach. It only took a few years to train them. Remember bible schools are only 2 years long.

3. original purpose of a pastor – this was to train the new converts, who were usually gentiles, since the Jews already had religious education since they were young. once the new converts were trained, they went out and preached also. The pastor afterward was just a support system and friend. The pastor was never paid a salary. The bible said that everyone had to work and contribute. Staying in one church one’s entire life, listening to, and paying, one man to teach you things you already knew after a while, was unheard of. new converts became mature in a short time, and they went out on their own ministries.

“gifts” were not for the chosen few, but for everyone to use to bring in new converts.

4. how to resolve your Christianity with your family. I would first stay home from the church you are with. I am sure it has some good points, but the pastor is out of line, and is typical of the materialistic orientation of today’s churches. Read the bible carefully, starting with the new testament, and study it carefully. Take notes. You can visit other churches, but do not settle in until you find the one that matches what you read.

Let your family know that you are looking for the REAL Jesus, and the REAL Christian faith, and not just something people see on Tv. I think your honest search, and your avoidance of any false teachings, will send the signal to the family that you are REAL too.

Most unbelievers are turned off by what they see on TV, and they should be turned off. Everything on TV is about money. In time, they will appreciate the wisdom that you are collecting. This is because you will be about Jesus, and not money. They will see it in your life.

They may never go to a church, but they may eventually start listening to what you have to say, because they will know you are going to the original source, and coming up with a pure knowledge of the faith.

5. you are always welcome to contact me. I was in the church for 50 years, and then I left. I realized I was more mature and bible knowledgeable than the pastors. I needed fresh bread, not stale bread.

I saw Maggie’s post and I just want to encourage her to listen to you and hang on. She will be spared heartache.
I am trying to undo seven years of brainwash. Maggie wondered how she will know? You were correct to point out that she is already more mature than she realizes. Seven years ago I had her questions because the Holy Spirit put them there, but I ignored God and listened to pastors and other Christians I assumed were more mature than me. Sad but true those who’ve been in the institutional church for a long time are the last people to ask, yet that’s where we go. When we search and clearly Maggie is God gives us the truth. We think because we don’t yet know all the scriptures that we need to check with everybody else. The bible is truly the word of God however I worship the giver not the gift. Scriptures have and always will be twisted to suit a particular group or need. Most Christians simply cannot believe that Jesus really did care if it ALL on the cross, humans simply must believe they have a part and they really don’t. The true love of God will put genuine desires in us to naturally do for God but God does it and already did it all without our help and certainly without us paying for it. The woman who claimed she heard anger, speaking for myself there’s still much anger in me. I’m still in pain while detoxing from the religious rituals that, though God loves us He detests rituals. I pray for Maggie continues to listen to the Holy Spirit and know she is hearing from Him now, not after she’s done memorizing scripture.
There was no scripture for the early church and they all were led by the Spirit and the bible did not replace Gods Spirit. Maggie just needs to stay in prayer, I hope she stays out of church until God gives her the okay. God is amazing and He will send Christians her way. I’m praying for God to send them my way because for now it’s doubtful I will ever sit in a pew staring at the back if a head listening to one man who somehow has come to believe God needs him to speak to the little sheep. I pray for Maggie!
God Bless, Kim

Marianne, what if pastors do not use the tithes for themselves, but use it for missions and the spreading of the gospel. Is there a scripture in the New Covernant to support this with out violating Gal: 3:10, which states that there is a curse on those who are under the works of the law and obligate to do one thing under the law and not all -(paraphase). What exactly are they curse with here?

What is really important is that the money is spent on things that God considers important. Missions and spreading of the gospel are appropriate uses of the money. In this case, it does not matter what name (tithe, offering, etc) is used for the money.

Tithing predates the law. Abraham gave a tenth before there was a law. Even though the book of Proverbs is written in the Old Testament, Proverbs is not a book of law, but a book of principles. Proverbs 3: 9, 10 says, ” Honor the LORD with your possessions, and with the firstfruits of all your increase; so your barns will be filled with plenty, and your vats will overflow with new wine.” This is not law; it’s a principle. Galatians 3:24,25 says, “Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith, but after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor (law).” Under the law, people were “tutored” to give a tenth. Hebrews 8:6 says, “But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.” We are under a better covenant; however, not being under the law does not mean we are exempt from the principles of Gods Word. Even in Malachi, 3:10 when it talks about bringing the tithe into the storehouse, the Word does not say, “… bring the tithe into the temple,” or “bring the tithe into the synagogue.” God says, “… that there may be food in My house.” The storehouse is where the food is stored and dispensed. Today, it is the local church. If every Christian believed they did not have responsibility to give (at least a tenth, and whatever your faith directs beyond that), no church would survive. The difference between the tithe in the Old Testament and the New is that, in the Old Testament, you were obligated to give. In the New Testament, you’re expected to use your faith to give. We’re expected to believe that “Now may He who supplies seed to the sower, and bread for food, supply and multiply the seed you have sown and increase the fruits of your righteousness” (2 Corinth. 9:10); and “He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver. And God is able to make all grace abound toward you, that you, always having all sufficiency in all things, may have an abundance for every good work.” (2Corinth. 9:6-8) The church does not provide a fee for service, like a bank or a supermarket. It exists solely on the offerings of its members. Tithing is the manifestation of the principles of giving found in the book of Proverbs and throughout the New Testament. If you can’t trust the Lord with your money, what makes you think you can trust Him with your life? I’m not a pastor, but I am a tither. I find that most people who preach against tithing never give anything. My wife and I have 9 children, three in College, and we’re debt free. We are middle income and simply use our faith to give and to operate under the principles of God’s Word. If using your faith were easy, everyone would do it. It involves trusting God that He will do what He says He will do in His Word. Set a goal to give a tenth. Tell God what your goal is and “prove” His faithfulness. (Malachi 3: 10) Start with what you can give in faith and whatever is returned to you beyond your regular earnings, give a tenth to Him. This includes raises, promotions, birthday or holiday money, graduation money, known savings on repairs because of a great deal, etc. Once you realize you can trust a living God with your finances, no one will ever convince you that you should not be tithing.

You are just regurgitating the current un-biblical application of the tithe by the modern church. The tithe is only for certain times, and uses, and the church is totally out of line for redefining the tithe. Not even the Jews tithe, because it is only for at the temple in jerusalem and when/ if it gets rebuilt, the tithe is to be EATEN by the bringer, and shared with the poor. it is not to be given to an organization so the pastor can get paid.

I have given my whole life, so i already understand the sales pitch for the tithe. I consider this modern misuse and intentional wrong definition of the tithe an abomination. The poor does get my money, and I probably give more to the poor than any church I have been in. I have seen my local churches spend the money on themselves, and ignore the poor who knocks on their door.

You need to learn how God instructed the Jews to tithe, and forget what your prosperity preacher tells you. I encourage you to go back, and read the original directions, instead of just accepting at face value what man tells you. They are misusing scripture to benefit financially.

Take time to research this. There are many, many sincere people who tithe and are very poor. They cannot make the claims you do. So God only rewards a few people? Most Christians who tithe are not debt free.

I want to apologize. I responded in a way that was too rough. It is just that I have seen many families, and individual’s lives, destroyed by the very message you presented. You may have meant well. So I acknowledge that.

mmmm…….. fasciinating. I thought this issue of tithing was in Kenya alone but alas. Men of God are doing us a disservice by making us empty our pockets and live from hand to mouth just to enrich themselves. I am yet to see a man of God (these sides) use the tithe to feed the poor, unfortunately some say the man of God is always right so you can never correct them but only ask God to correct them.

No real man of God would take money from the poor, and put it in his pocket. This is why I have a big site now, but I never, never, ask for money. I give money constantly to those who need help.. It is my privilege and duty to serve God. He is my reward. I do not need anything else.

My husband and I agree with you on this issue and found this article very informative and true to the word of God. A decade ago the Holy Spirit led us to the truth and delivered us from bondage. We now give freely because that is what Jesus instructed us to do. No rules, no amounts, no pressure, no quilt, just pure Joy, knowing that God loves a cheerful giver. To give under compulsion is not ‘giving’ at all.

Your sense of humor is a breath of fresh air on a hot humid afternoon in mid-summer.

The Lord Yeshua has truly opened your eyes that you might see and that you might blow the shofar of warning against those in error who defile themselves in the pursuit of filthy lucre and use their congregations as merchandise. The Lord will judge these false shepherds and hirelings for they have led the sheep to wolves to be devoured as prey. I do not marvel at this, knowing full well that even Satan can transform himself into a Minister of Light. Satan dwells openly now within these Churches finding a home among the spiritually dead and blind, for those that attend these Churches also desire the things of the flesh or carnal desires equating wealth with holiness.

I commend you Marianne on your brave stand and may the Lord God of Creation bless you richly in wisdom and knowledge of his Word which is our Bread of Life. For the Word of God was made flesh and did dwell among us. Blessings to all that heed this truth, for the chains of bondage that are now present among the Body of Christ must now be broken that we might prepare ourselves for the coming of the Bridegroom.

You know what really upsets me. In a lot of “pentecostal churches” today they have gigantic thermometer or a humungus sign that tells the people how much the church owes for the mortgage. What the people have paid and what is still owing on the building because some pastor has decided he needs a biggar church. They serve the God of mammon. Then they sing songs of what a sinner I am and hang Jesus back up on the cross. We are in deep deep trouble. Where are the prophets in in all of this or should I say, “where are the profits” in this?

I found your blog because I wanted more information on your expertise. I run a blog and I am looking for good content to link to for future posts. I like you site so I am adding you to my google reader.

As a recovering former tither (about 30 yrs!), I so agree with this article. But wow, you’re being really hard on pastors and assuming the worst motives. Of all the pastors I’ve had or known, I have yet to find one that’s truly lazy. Nor do I buy that just because they teach tithing, they’re being greedy (altho I’m sure there are some). I believe most of them are as sincere as their tithing members; they’re simply teaching what they were taught. And I think a lot of their testimonies of tithing promoting their prosperity (which seems to validate it), are lumping tithing together w/ real giving.

I’ve watched tithers for years, and most of them always struggled financially. It was the GIVERS among them, that had unusual prosperity. My eyes were opened to this in the book, “The Tithe That Binds” (don’t have the author, but it can be Googled).

My concern is that, sincere or not, all are in a trap, and not understanding the true nature and purpose for tithing. It has become a tradition, and no one questions it. In many churches, you cannot even belong there unless you tithe.

People need to go back to the OT and re-read all about it. It was only for the high priest, so they could share in the meal of the tither, and help the poor. There were no salaries or housing allowances.

Pastors are not high priests in Jerusalem. They are not levites, and the tithe is only brought to levites.

the tithe has no place in gentile worship. Christian giving is based on free will offerings.

The secret as you say, is that god rewards a giver, not a forced tither.

Since the tithe is for the poor, then the poor should not pay tithes, but receive them.

My husband and I go to a small church of less than 15 people. This church teaches,”We are not held under the tithing law. But, we should be tithing anyway.”

The pastor has a way of making you feel guilty if you don’t. This is confusing. Our pastor is getting paid a full-time salary but not working full-time ministry. He gets paid about $3000,00 a month which goes towards the church bills and the rest goes to the pastor and his family. Also note that once in a while the pastor’s wife complains to the ladies during women’s bible study that the tithing pot is pretty pitiful and she always talks about how she got her clothes at the Goodwell.

They, like most, are taking advantage of you, and trying to make you feel guilty. You do not owe them anything. I get clothes at good will. It is a good deal, and shows I am smart with my money.

$3000 a month is outrageous. 15 people do not create that much in bills. There should not be a building in this case, since everyone should fit in the living room.

They are in it for the money. What are they teaching that is so revolutionary, or profound, or miraculous that they should get money for it?

Jesus did not die a bloody death on the cross so that people could make money off his death.

This is one big reason why you never see me asking for money, or putting a “DONATE” button on my site. It is spiritual prostitution. So far, I have had 973,652 (close to one million) hits on my site in 2 years, I have answered close to 20,000 comments, written over 350 posts, answered numerous phone calls, and never once asked a soul to give me money or complain about not having new clothes.

All this in 2 years. I spend over 60 hours a week here too. I also sponsor a child overseas. I live on a tiny income that most could not make it on, because GOD, not man, provides my daily bread. I am satisfied. Why can’t they manage on multiple, large incomes?

Jesus did not pull a salary, and he was full time. The apostles did not get one either, and they were so devoted they sacrificed their own lives for the gospel. Any money in offerings went to the poor.

“Church” today is a business, not a calling from God.

Jesus has commanded us to get out of Babylon (false religious system) and be part of the Bride of Christ.

I know fellowship is important for most people, but you should not have to pay for it.

You can get some deals at the Good Will, and that store helps people, so whats wrong with that!
I was a time share salesman and had to dress in dress shirts, suit jacket and tie, can you guess were i shopped?
No… Sakes Fifth Avenue silly!
Just kidding, and I looked sharp and never spent more than $20.00 for everything, so that poor pastors wife should complain should she, shame on the preacher and his misses.
Seems they need to learn how to eat and enjoy humble pie

I agree that tithing is abused in many churches. However, proportionate giving is still a Biblical concept and is found both in the Book of Acts (Acts 4:34) and the Church Epistles (1 Corinthians 16:2). Moving God’s Word requires money, and it is the believer’s responsibility to provide in this category (Read 2 Corinthians chapters 8 and 9)

Giving and receiving is a spiritual law. When we give with a willing heart, it opens the door for God to bless us back. Malachi 3: 10-12. Yes, this is Old Testament. However, many similar promises are found in the Gospels and Epistles. This implies that these promises did not end on the Day of Pentecost. I have seen many blessings in my life because of my faithful giving in the material category.

The next question is, to whom should you give your financial offerings? Tithes are best planted where the rightly divided Word is being taught and lived.

Marianne made a good point that a good church should offer avenues for spiritual growth as well as being outreach-minded and a fertile ground for newly born again believers to grow in the Word. Once that environment is found, tithing and abundant sharing (above 10%) is a vital part of a believer;s spiritual growth in that environment.

A very interesting site. I have done a lot of thinking about this issue lately. I am a member of a church where there seems to be a lot of pressure for more giving. I am widowed and on a very limited income – trying to keep my head above water. I own my house and a 15 year old car. I have a budget, and it does not even come close to balancing out with my necessary expenses.

Our pastor called everyone last year under the guise of making things more personal. The questions asked were: What makes you excited about the church, what new programs would you like to see, do you have a faith story to share? And the last question: Will you promise to prayerfully support the church with your time, talents and treasures?

This all happened after our annual meeting in which he felt we needed to take in more money. I told him that I felt that putting pressure on people took away being able to worship God in giving what they could cheerfully give. Pledge cards were sent to my house 3 times. I told him that once was plenty – that if someone didn’t return the first card, they were probably making a statement that they didn’t wish to, or that they felt they couldn’t pledge. He also put in the bulletin how many people gave $40, $200, $600 a month (names were not listed). I have a hard time understanding why people need to know that.

So, this year after our annual meeting in which the church budget was tight, he came up with the brainstorm of dividing all families up into pairs, and those pairs would be asked to contact each other with the same questions he had asked last year. He just wanted everyone to have the joy of those one-on-one conversations.

I’m sorry, but I don’t feel comfortable doing that. He only suggested it when he felt the church needed more money. It is extremely uncomfortable to call people you don’t know and start asking them those questions!

I am beginning to feel like I really shouldn’t go to church, if I can’t afford to give more than I give. I hate this time of year and the pressure.

If he wants people to call others, it seems more christian to call and see if anyone had needs that people in the church could help out with – rather than putting them on a guilt trip if they can’t give what is expected.

Very informative,I go by newscruzer1 and my web page is newscruzer, so when I saw this I had to to ask how long you’ve been using the name newsscruzer,and what your decision was in choosing that as your user name, where you reside?
It’s good to see someone point out the true teaching of Christianity.
What is your take on the Zionist movement?
Also your belief in separation of church and state.
What would you have to say regarding people who profess to be leaders in the Christian faith, those like, farwell, baker, Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton?

Jesus came to fulfill the law of the profits, and gave two new commandments, saying, ” I came not to destroy the law of the profits but to fulfill them, and the two new commandments i give you hinge on the old law(Ten Commandments)
The first is to love Jehovah your God with all your soul, strength and mite, the second is to love your neighbor as yourself.”
The tightening was done away with, you give what you resolve in your heart to give, no longer are Christian commanded to give 10%.
I could take the time and quote those passages, but you could also look them up for yourself.
if your inclined to make me prove what I have just stated, then let me know and I will take the time and do so.
peace be with you

The enemy has conspired against this great God fearing nation and the nations of the earth:
There is none to stand in the gap and intercede for the people of the Lord. All seek their own gain. People roam over the mountains like sheep without a Sheppard. But the Lord God of Hosts will not allow the mischief of the evil one.
The people relied on Corporate America for an unfailing check and have not prepared for these times. Corporate America became greedy, therefore transferring all the work the people had to places where they can profit not a 100% but over a 1000% if possible. They used the people to extract the sketches of what it took to build this great nation. Your children engineered the trains, the factories, the mining machines. Yet all has been taken, and the people are left to be slaves to greed and be consumed.
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Tithing was part of the old law convent.
Jesus fulfilled the old law and gave two new commandments, he said, “I came not to destroy the law of the Profits, but to fulfill”,
The first is to love Jehovah your God with your whole heart strength and might, and the second is to love your neighbor as yourself and on these two new commandments the laws of the profits henge.Matt.5:17,
Also Gal.3:24,25 and Gal.5:14
There is much to be said on this subject.Read, in Matt. 5:20 where Jesus is saying.” I say to you that if your righteousness does not abound more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter into the Kingdom of the heavens.
We give what we resolve in our hearts to give.
Do you truly believe that the scribes and pharisees in Jesus day were pleased to hear that there would be no more collecting of money in the temples,”The House of God”!
The jig was up and they were pissed!
So is it not then reasonable to believe that the Pharisees had something to do with having Jesus put to death!
Get real, if a person came along disrupting your money flow, claiming to be the son of God, telling people that they no longer were commanded to give tithing’s “money” to the temple that you wouldn’t be wanting his head!
Seems were living in a time period where everyone is battling for control of the other persons mind, to take control of people’s thought and beliefs.
The scriptures say, “By their fruits you will know them”
Today churches are doing anything to attract souls into their fold.
You like rock music, there is a church that will offer that, you perhaps believe that people should be able to behave in any manner of their choosing, without any rules, well there is a church for you as well, or perhaps one that has a woman minister, or gay or liberal, left wing, or right wing mind set when it comes to politics.
You get the point!
When a child is born of loving and caring parents, those parents want to see that child grow and develop to be all that they can be, to fulfill their potential.
When the child errors in his or her way while growing,is it reasonable to think a loving parent would beat that child repeatedly, forever and ever because of the child’s wrong doing?
Then why would we believe that a loving God would burn someone in a burning fire forever and ever!
The teaching of such a punishment is false, just are many of the church’s teachings.
Take the word hell.
The Hebrew word Sheol translated is grave, the Greek word for grave is Hades.
You’ve heard the expression,”hotter than Hades?”
The English translation from the Greek word is hell.
So when you read that word Hades, it’s saying “grave”
the English translation is said to be a very poor translation of the Greek word hell.
T dictionary says this: Hades (noun), the abode of the dead in Greek mythology(hell)

I found your website while looking for help in dealing with a Jezebel spirit and learning how the thing operates and get the person free from it. I have enjoyed what I have read so far on your site. I read just a little bit of this article but I will say that the only Shepherd I now have in my life is my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. I follow only Him now and obey only His voice and He has taught me what i could never have learned under the ‘leadership’ of men.

I see it this way: The end is coming and if we don’t know how to hear the voice of our beloved Saviour how will we survive when there are no churches to attend and no pastors to tell us what the ‘will’ of God is? We need to learn to be HIDDEN in Christ.

May the LORD bless you in Spirit and in Truth. Thank you for creating this website.

Wow, I was not taught this in any church I attended. Just like you said I was taught to give and if I didn’t I was going to hell and God wouldn’t bless me. I was a single mom for 20 years before I got married, and then married a man who is on Disability now, and we are still being taught to Tithe regarless. AND I DON’T EVEN WORK and haven’t work in 2 years because of spinal stenosis and spinal surgery. I am glad I read this and I know better, not that I don’t want to pay a tithe, but I don’t want to be lied to about paying it. Thanks for the information

Marianne, I’m drinking my morning coffee and reading some of your earlier posts. My heart is blessed from reading your discussiona concerning many of our contemporary church traditions. AS a longstanding Baptist/Methodist blend Christian, I agree 100% with all you’ve said concerning tithing, salaried church offices, and so forth. AS you said, everything we have belongs to God. But tradition runs deep and fierce. When I am questioned by firm traditionalists about my belief on the subject of tithing and pastor worship (lol), I remember that I once saw it the same as they. So I usually just change the subject. When they are ready to know…God will teach them.

Again, thank you for being open to things of God. My heart is encouraged.

Your blog is totally on point. I have found myself since 2007 researching this topic. And I just can’t figure out why people are so brainwashed and clueless in the body of Christ. One thing is to only know what you have been taught but then for the evidence to be pointed out (which is truly common sense) makes me wonder if a special koolaid had been past out during communion if you know what I mean. J/K. But on a serious note you have to want to stay blind to the fact to not see truth when it’s starring you in the face. I wish you many blessings on your journey to help people to understand the gospel. Truly what you bring to the people is the good news (Free at last Free at last thank God almighty we are free at last).

This is not trustable, what you wrote.
1) There are no Bible verses, just some big paper wrote with own meanings….
2) remember, that we live in 21st century, so something is changed from Old testament and there will not be the same money gathering and distribution as in Old Testament. It needs to get Old and New together.
3) It is subjective to say that pastors do not work all week as pastors…Our pastor and other I had and how I see what they do:
1) preparing for a GOOD sermon, listening, writing, it needs really much time
2) Prayer meeting once a week
3) Leaders meeting once a week
4) Sermon all day with driving from one city to other takes all that day
5) books writing when Holy Spirit asks
6) Some time ago he was also going in another city to give a sermon,too, so it is another day full
7) Man group leading once a week I guess or maybe not,don’t know now…
8) First of all PRAYER TIME for pastor needs to be the biggest, for him-4 hours a day…
9) once a month big leader meeting

I thing it is enough for working person, I see that he has more that 8 hours of working or leading something a week, and he was working before he had so big church as we have now…but just he could not do it anymore…

I am glad I came across this blog. I used to tithe as well and although I did not have any problems financially while tithing, I was having problems spiritually. I did not know why I was tithing, and I did not feel as if the tithe was being used properly. So i spent a month or two looking it up in the Word. As stated clearly on here, tithe was used for a different purpose at a different time. It is in the Word. Tithe is explained fully in the Bible. What it is supposed to be and what is supposed to be done with it. However, for the preacher that teach tithe, most never preach the “what is supposed to be done with it.” That seems to be the mystery area. They teach all about how much and why you are supposed to give them, but nothing is said how they are to be used. I’ve done by research and have prayed about it, and see where Tithe today is not biblical. For me the main reason is this. How can you pluck out Tithing as the only part of the Law you still engage in. What about the feasts? What about the sacrifices? Did not all of these work in conjunction under the law? I believe that they did and you can’t have one without the other. It does not take a pastor to understand this. But I think some pastors are so blind by wanting to do the right thing, that they only preach what they are taught, and do not let the Holy Spirit guide them to all truth.

Also, from time to time I like to engage in biblical conversation on facebook. Please visit my page and weigh in on the most recent topic. It is important that the saints come to an agreement on biblical standpoints. Only in agreement can we be the church God wants us to be.. Acts 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of One heart and of One soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.

Jesus did not abolish the law. He fulfilled it and properly explained it.

As you say, getting the proper interpretation is important.

The tithe was a sacrificial meal, where the tither had a communion meal with God 1-3 x a year. So he ate the tithe. This was to bring him closer to God, and help the poor.

This is now replaced with the communion meal.

The feasts were not “laws”….they were feasts or holidays of the Lord…they were to be celebrated….even the day of atonement, since on that day, the gates of heaven were opened as they repented, and their sins were forgiven. Forgiveness was celebrated, as they were inscribed in the book of life for another year.

be careful how you teach. be careful of your doctrine. sometimes we think we are too smart to out smart God but the coming judgement will reveal what kind of preachers we were. For every single word you speak, you will be judged so make sure your teachings and doctrine are sound. Heretic teachings have always been there in almost every generation but woo to him that teaches such.

There is no heresy here. But this has become such a financially profitable false doctrine that churches will never let go of it. If they were to abandon it, they would have to go back to the way Jesus preached the gospel.

The tithe is only for the Jewish temple in Jerusalem. Even the Jews do not tithe now because there is no temple. They only give offerings.

The early apostles never collected tithes, but only accepted occasional offerings that were offered, and not asked for. They all had jobs, and expected everyone in the church to work. They took care of widows, instead of requiring money from them.

The tithe is not for gentiles or the church. It is food, not money. It is a private communion meal with God, not finances for someone’s salary and the light bill. The modern gentile tithe system has completely prostituted the true meaning of the tithe.

Instead of accepting conclusions given you by others, read the bible, and find this out for yourself.

Yes,
I agree with the Biblical concept on tithing expecially as it is stated by Prophet Malachi. Whosoever that does not tithe steals from God. And definitly there are punishments for non comformity on the practice of tithe. I as An Anglican minister in Church of Nigeria Anglican Communion declares that my people and i will continue to obey God through tithing. to avoid the wrath of GOd upon us.
Also, there are lots of blessings upon those that pay tithe, so i stand to say that the issue of tithe should not be over emphasised but must be teach, adopt, and practice.

Yes,
I agree with the Biblical concept on tithing expecially as it is stated by Prophet Malachi. Whosoever that does not tithe steals from God. And definitly there are punishments for non comformity on the practice of tithe. I as An Anglican minister in Church of Nigeria Anglican Communion declares that my people and i will continue to obey God through tithing. to avoid the wrath of GOd upon us.
Also, there are lots of blessings upon those that pay tithe, so i stand to say that the issue of tithe should not be over emphasised but must be teach, adopt, and practice.

Wow! God bless you all.! I love reading this. I have had eye opening experiences myself recently. I’ve been a “tither” for many years. The Holy Spirit has spoken to me recently. I would love for anyone to listen to the sermon I listened to last Sunday. Marianne especially. I would love to get feedback. This pastor is young, like 33. Been pastoring this church for already 6 years. He’s very enthousiastic. The week prior, he said that he would be disclosing financial records next week. Marianne, please take the time to watch this, and let me know what you feel.

I have more to say, but I’ll wait till I have time. Maybe you guys will have watched it by then.

there is a difference between giving to God, and giving to the pastor.

he is not jesus.

most churches spend the money on the buildings and salaries….

the apostles did not get a salary, and they did not build buildings with large expenses.

so, in general, I would still not agree, no matter how enthusiastic the speaker is….I would give money if it was being transferred to someone in need.

this pastor is materialistic. he even admitted he had 30 pairs of shoes. why? because his salary allows him to spend money like that….salary provided by the church….so that money was not spent on the poor, but on his vanity.

while he used certain scriptures out of context to support his views, he ignores scriptures that chastise priests who pray for gain, and prophets who divine for money. the money issue with God is those who serve God because they get paid, and they would not be doing it for free. god intentionally stated that the priesthood would not have any land, or inheritance…just HIM…..this is to keep them pure from the greed for money, and make them holy before HIM.

this pastor is using the usual guilt trip to get people to give money. he is just being nice about it…..he is a good salesman.

99.999 % of all pastors now work for a salary…..and would not be preaching if they did not get paid…..they would have a regular job. the bible does not require a church to support a mans’ salary just because he talks about God. the tithe normally goes to the salary first, then other salaries, then bills,…….

we are ALL supposed to preach the gospel, if we are saved.

if we let one person do our jobs for us, then we are guilty of negligence.

giving is an individual decision and responsibility. If you can determine that the offering is going to someone in need, or a legitimate purpose, like bibles, then go ahead. if it is going into a general fund for some obscure reason, then I would hold back. for example, I give to a ministry that digs water wells in africa….I also give to my local homeless shelter. I will also give to a poor mother I know with 6 children……does that church give like that?

we are the stewards……God will hold us accountable for how we spend our money…….so we have to investigate where the money goes.

I am here 24 / 7, and I never ask for money. I live on a tiny pension which qualifies me as below the poverty level….but God provides my daily bread. I help people and spread the Word all day, and night…I have been up since 3 am……

If I can do this, a young able bodied man can get a job to support himself and show up on sunday to give a sermon.

I agree. Thank you for your feedback. I’ve attended several sermons at this church. This man is blessed with a gift of gab. He’s young, and the younger and new believers are in awe of him. He’s very talented.
What blows the mind, if you watched it in full with eYes wide open, he actually boasts the amount he has given to the church in 2011. Then utter silence about his salary from the church. Though he does say, if you want a line by line printout of where all the money is spent, he will give it to you…. I would really like to take him up on that. I would love to know line by line, where it is going.
Because of events leading up to that sermon, I predicted that might very well happen. Sure enough, he disclosed the amount he gave to the church. Had no intention on saying, here is what we take as “full time pastor’s salary.”
Mind you, he just shut down his business that he had owned for I believe over 10 years. “Handing the baton off to his main guy there.” Now he states that he will work on Fridays at that new shop, and that there is much to do at the church.
I hope and pray that he is blind to what he’s doing, and not purposely misleading the sheep for the love of money. I didn’t see today’s follow up sermon to that message, which is supposed to be.. “Stewardship with money.”
I look forward to hearing it. I hope you watch it, and tell me what you think. I’ll post you the link here.
God really has been growing me. Part of that growth has led me to being a true steward of God’s money, and the time to question with boldness as to where this money is going, and if it is blessing Jesus Christ’s work, is now. The time is short.

I was googling on ‘tithes’ and your website came up. Lot to read(which I will).

But what I wanted to know if is we do not pay tithes and offerings, then how can the church survive in the day and age. I mean where would the money come for repairs, utility bills etc.?

I have stopped paying tithes a few months ago. Instead I give it to charlies who actually work to spread the Gospel. I am happy with that. As the Lord blesses me more, I intend to increase this amount. I see a lot of hunger for the Gospel in countries like China, India and also in Africa.

My money is all for them. I used to feel so much burden when I use to miss any tithes. I was not sure how would I ever pay all those tithes back to God. But God never wants us to be burdened about anything except for praying for our brothers and sisters. Ever since I stopped paying tithes, I got a new job, more pay etc.

My wife and I help others who need money and we still have money left over.

I’ve been really blessed by this article and comments and I agree with the author and Robert. The author seems to support tithe only if well used but as a matured believer, I dont think that one should avoid tithe just because of financial problems. If you believe in God and serve Him as in Mat 6:33, the rewards will follow. Morever, if 90% cant meet your needs, I doubt 100% would do. The church does not depend on tithe to survive hence keeping your money doesnt halt God. But let me say this, I am not a pastor but my knowlegde of the Bible and good judgement tells me that teaching against tithe is simply heretic. Instead, teach people spiritual discernment so as to spot false pastors and flee. Also teach men to trust God even in finances and not that avoiding tithe makes things easier.
I’ve read other powerful articles and I pray for more grace upon your life. Keep on the good work of blessing lives.
Love, Emma Innocent, Nigeria!

Technically, tithes are not required of believers. We are only to give freely as we see fit in or hearts. The law of tithing was for the old testament sacrifices, for sins, and Jesus has paid for our sins.

not even Jews tithe now, because the only place the tithe was supposed to be brought was to the temple in Jerusalem. and the temple is not there. so Jews will start tithing when the next temple is built.

Many churches are filled with lords and hireling NOT Servants of the Lord. Thought Jesus said the greatest among us is the greatest servant, not those who lord it over people and their wallets.
I was in one church where there was Pastor’s Anniversary, Pastor’s Birthday, Pastor’s Wife Birthday, Pastor’s Anniversary, Expensive Tickets for Banquet and endless Conferences, Pastor’s Appreciation, Founder’s Convention, The Church Building Fund where you had to pledge money to expand the bldg. plus Tithes and Offerings. The Pastor said cut back and give more but bought a brand new car and another vacation house. This appeal for money for some new thing went on every other month ( and this Church was in a lower income area). I finally was so tapped out I could not afford to be a member of that church anymore and feed my family.
It took one whole year before they sent me a post card wondering why I was not tithing any longer. I called and told them I had given my notice of withdrawing my membership months back. I was promptly hung up on without so much as a pretense that we miss you and not your tithe money.
No thanks to organize religion anymore. I can pray and read my bible at home.
Sincerely
Fred UP

Dear Saints, these are the signs of the end times that Jesus spoke of, and because we know it then we also know that the Bible warns us of false brethren who come into our churches to see what freedoms and liberty we have in Christ.

You see they are concerned with the material things of this life and they see God’s people as easy pickings so to speak, for that is the whole desire of their covetous, evil hearts. But the Bible tells us to seek first the kingdom of heaven, and all the things pertaining to this life will be added unto us.

Now some people look upon the church and think that we are naive, they seek to take advantage of God’s people by trying to use scriptures from our Lords word to financially gain from us, by twisting the Holy Scriptures they bring God’s Word into disrepute thus causing the truth to be evil spoken of.

So you see by greed and cunning devices they try to extract money from the church of God. In their eyes they think that they are on to a good thing, but their end shall be so awful that we just do not want to think about it.

Jeremiah 48:10. Cursed be he that doeth the work of the Lord deceitfully.—

The Bible puts it very strongly that they will bring damnation upon themselves. Dear loved ones, do not listen to people like that, who try to make you uneasy and guilty about your giving, because God loves a cheerful giver, His love remains the same, if you give a little, a lot or even nothing at all, He changes not, He still loves you very much.

That is why we have so much liberty in Christ, for we are led by the Holy Ghost and He doesn’t make it hard for us to follow Him, for Jesus said, “My yoke is easy, and my burden is light.” God bless you always.

Hi Marianne, my name is Koren and I have recently come to your site and read some of the info. here about tithing. In the past year and a half I have done a lot of reading in Scripture and on other sites, a Facebook page called “Joyfully Growing In Grace” and “rr-bb.com”, praying and asking God to show me the truth in His Word with regards to “Law vs. Grace”. I had encountered a family member who had started observing the Saturday Sabbath Day and Feasts and wanted to know why.

There is so much we need to know and God’s Word contains the TRUTH!

I have been very ill for the past 12 years and in the past couple of years I no longer attend Church but my two son ages 18 and 15 have continued and now my 18 year old is leaving home. What I have been really struggling with recently is the “tithing” that is being preached in the Church and him paying 10% of his wages. I don’t know all where this money is going when he does, I do believe that the Pastor is not working, so I do believe he is receiving some support from the members.

I do believe that tithing is no longer for us as believers and that it is Old Covenant and that we are no longer under The Law but under Grace. I need to read more in His Word and pray more about it….. but I am met with opposition and have a question for you.

I hope you can help me find the answer to what someone is telling me, from what I have read on some sites, perhaps here also, I don’t remember and like I said, I have not yet had a chance to read and read and read and study all of Scripture to know as much as some, like perhaps yourself! So I am asking you for direction into God’s Word to help me.

It will be easier for me to post the quote of what someone has said to me so that you can see what they are saying exactly….. Here it is:

“Melchizedek was the priest of the Most High God. The bread and wine he offered to Abraham had a close resemblance to the Lord’s Supper. (Luke 22: 14 -23)

Hebrews 7 sheds more light on Melchizedek. Here he is called the priest of the Most High God. He was the only one qualified to receive tithes from Abraham. All this happened before the law was established. There is no record of Abraham, who at this time was still called Abram, being told to give tithes to God. Nor is any explanation given for Abraham’s paying of tithes. It seems as if the tithes were a free will offering that Abraham instinctively knew he should give. He did it willingly.

Abraham’s victory in battle led him to pay tithes. He was not paying a financial debt but offering a gratitude of praise and thanks to God with his tithes. Abraham was moved to give tithes not compelled.
This is from the living library. Note: THIS WAS BEFORE THE LAW WAS ESTABLISHED.”

I will be praying and asking God to show me in Scripture what I need here but I really would like some guidance? Can you help?

Colossians 2:14
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

The tithe was one ordinance that Jesus said in Matthew 23:23 was the least important aspect of the law to Jews who were bound by the law before he fulfilled the law on the cross.

Galatians 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”

Just goes to show how many brainwashed bible illiterates are enslaved by fear of an Old Covenant curse in Malachi that they have been redeemed from when God was speaking to a whole other nation before Jesus fulfilled the law by dying on the cross.

Tithe Liars are really the ones under a curse, it is the other way around from what they teach, according to James 2:10 if you seek justification from keeping the law u have to be sinless & keep them all because to break one makes u guilty of them all.
Galatians 3:10 says
For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”
This means the minute u eat pork or break the Sabbath rest from all activity on Saturday you failed to do all that was written in the book of the Law.
My God help these tithe liars! Enough is enough. It is going to lead to a revolt where people just start having church in their homes!
Who wants to go to church to be beat up over ten percent, certainly not poor single mothers or people out of work!
Anybody who does not understand what covenant we are under and the word grace means unmerited favor has no business being a Pastor!

I love your passion for truth….and your insight….and your heart for those in need. (the heart of God beats in you is suspect)

Keep preaching the TRUTH….God’s children are FREE to decide themselves what they are able to and feel they should give. Their is either freedom as Jesus said (Mat 17:26)…or their is bondage to a Law of tithing. There is either compulsory giving……or freewill giving….it cannot be both.

What you are sharing is 100% in accordance with the word of God ….keep up the good work.

What if the Pastor is handling all the finances and does not want to anyone else to do it. His wife and him are handling all the finances of the church (including monies form the day care centre they run). when approached by a member who was called to assist, they pastor made a statement that he has been doing this for a long time and that it is his church and he will handle the finances. there are always complaints from him that there is not enough money. sometimes the staff(day care) are not paid. In fact, he has been lending out money to the staff and demands interest with it. the staff that owed money were called in, and he demanded they paid back the loan with interest immediately and they actually received hardly any pay for the month. it is difficult not to judge at this point. what about tithing to tthis church?

You may find comfort in knowing the little Church I currently serve as Pastor does not preach that you must, or even should give a tithe, rather I teach that each individual must seek God’s guidance and prayerfully give from a loving heart and that as part of the called out body of believers in Christ we are made up of significantly gifted people who all must serve as they are led in the Spirit in order to maintain our bodily health. Each person is important and no one is better than anyone else, God is no respector of persons. Our little Church is full of peaceful, loving children of God walking in the blessed Gospel Light as well as new believers who as of yet have not read the Holy Scriptures but who one day, I believe will amaze even themselves with the beautiful works of compassion and care, and sacrifice for others that they will joyfully perform in loving response, not to me, but to Our Great Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. The Church is a precious gift let’s learn to develop and nuture it for it is the body of Christ. May the baptismal waters always move. Amen!

WOW! I HAVE BEEN SO BLESSED BY THE TRUTH OF ALMIGHTY GOD THAT JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF DEMONSTRATED FOR US. I AM A HUMAN RIGHTS ADVOCATE AND CAN SENSE THE TRUTH AND THE FALSE FROM VERY FAR OFF. I THANK GOD FOR THAT AND TO HIM BE THE GLORY! AFTER EVERYTHING CHRIST CAME AND DID FOR US,,,I NEVER BELIEVED IN PAYING TITHES AT ALL BUT I HAVE BEEN CRITICIZED FOR THAT AND CALLED ALL SORTS OF NAMES…WHICH IS OK WITH ME BECAUSE JESUS IS AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN MY PASTOR. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CONFIRMING WHAT I ALREADY KNOW. I BELIEVE IN GIVING BIG AS CHRISTIANS AND ALSO HELPING THE POOR, THE NAKED, THE HUNGRY, THE SICK, THE HOMELESS AND THE ABUSED. WE SHOULD WORK HARD AND EXEMPLIFY CHRIST, AND GLORY GOD. GOD BLESS YOU!

thnx Marriane for opening my eyes u know tithing was a real burden to me becoz we were taught that if we don’t tithe God curese. But the word of God says God loves us uncondtionally how can GOD curse what he loves. Pastors use Malachi 3 v 9 to instil fear in the hearts of believers. Any answer me please why are we tithing money becoz in the old testament they tithed agricultural produce i don’t recall a sripture which says we must tithe 10% of our salary. they is no first fruits in money they tell us that after getting your pay check you should remove the tithe first before paying bills or buying food , if remove the tithe last it means you are putting God last.They are Mega churches around the world that are owned by families to me it looks like family buisness and they are filthy rich while the congregation are poor and heavily in debts. I read the book of acts the apostoles never owned churches or buildings they doing things in one accord with guidence of the Holy Spirit.One trick that is bieng empoloyed is crusades and prophesaying.Crusades a meant as an outreach to the lost/ unbelievers but why ask them offerings while they don’t know Christ. Why do we prophesy to lost soukls instead of preaching Christ to them.One last question to those who surport tithing if bring crops fruits and vegitables will any church recieve them. Many people i leaving the church because they don’t have money to tithe.

Well i see these to be Geovah witness doctrine,IS WHAT I THINK.
COME OUT OF DENOMINATIONAL SYSTEM HAVE YOU SEE ANY DENOMINATION IN THE BIBLE THAT GOD USE?THE PHARISEES AND SADUCEES ARE THE DENOMINATION RIGHT DENOMINATION IS OF THE DEVIL COME OUT OF HER(REV18:4)

I want to thank you for shedding clarity on the divisive issue of tithing. Many years ago a prophesy came through the church in answer to a question presented. The choir member had returned from Peru and she was stating how much her son had in contrast to a little Peruvian boy that was living in a cardboard box. She asked, “How come some have so much and others have so little?” No sooner had she asked the question when the prophetic utterance came through.
The Lord said, (speaking to the church) “I bless you so that you can bless others, but you hoard it unto yourselves and still ask for more.”
The church was extremely silent. So in terms of tithing we are to be giving to the poor and not to continue to hoard nor to maintain buildings. In the NT the Christians had all in common and none lacked because they shared what they had. That is not happening today.
Most Christians today are not doing what Jesus told us to do. Casting out demons, laying hands on the sick, etc. I came from a church that when the demons would manifest, they would say call 911. Yet much emphasis is being placed on tithing and placing guilt if this is not being done.
For one year my girlfriend found herself homeless due to the fact that her apartment building became unsafe to live in after another building collapsed. The church she so faithfully tithed to helped very little. She had to rely on the Red Cross, relatives, etc. for one year.
Therefore you are on point. As a widow, I have had my share of needs and have been placed under condemnation whenever I could not tithe. No more will I allow this to happen. Today not only did I find your website, but as confirmation I turned on the radio and a speaker was talking about the same subject. He said that even our time is another form of giving to the Lord not necessarily money or a specific amount. So whatever we give we must do it as unto the Lord without boasting or regret. It must be done out of love for God and for one another.
May God continue to use you mightily to shed light where there is darkness.
Thank you.

I need to so you what we are up against if you read our face book you will see..We will not Tithe..But we will give offerings…please read all ..and help us with this…We are trying to find a church that only ask for offering……..please read ….I am talking to the Pastor my name is Darcy……………………………………..
Pastor Dave Rogers
August 26 at 2:49pm ·
God says bring a tenth of all your increase to Him. It sure is funny watching people trying to

calculate deductions, depreciation, cola, inflation, etc. before paying their tithe. Just like

reporting your income to the IRS. Isn’t that just to funny? I bet God gets a real kick out of it too.
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Chad Mclewin did you want your blessing before or after taxes are taken out…
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Chad Mclewin i find that people who treat the tithe as a hard and fast number tend to also be a bit

arbitrary and legalistic and often use this percentage as a way to manipulate God whether they

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Darcy Thurlow the tithe was for only the his people the Israelite who own land .. Abraham only tithe

ones in his whole life……Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. (He was priest of

God Most High.) And he blessed him and said, “Blessed be Abram b…See More
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Darcy Thurlow THE ISRAELITE WHO OWEN LAND HAD TO GIVE TITHE FROM THERE CROPS THAT GROW HEADSMEN AND

SHEPHERDS,VIN YARDS..FRUIT TREES…ALL HAD TO A 10TH OF THERE TITHES..TO THE LEVITS IN THE TEMPLE AND

THE LEVITS ONLY GAVE 1 10TH OF THE TITHES TO THE PREIST…TITHING AND OFFREINGS ARE 2 DIFFREANT

Ok that is cool please forgive me to much on my mind….go on face book type in Darcy Thurlow also type in Earl Thurlow we will accept you God Bless you and give you the stranght to help in the TRUTH OF THE GOSIPLE ..IN JESUS NAME AMEN…….i will be on my face book

There will be many of those who preach that tithing is commanded,who will answer for false doctrine, you will never in the new testament find where Jesus or his apostles ever paid tithes, for one thing when Jesus started his ministry he had no income, he had no place to live ,his job was to preach the gospel to the poor, heal the sick,open the eyes of the blind, he never had a shareathon to support his ministry. Its ironic the apostle Paul preached, upon the first day of the week, as God has prospered every man so let him give, for God loves a cheerful giver not a begrudging giver .Where people get the 10 percent, they go back into bondage to the law, laying grievous burdens upon the shoulders of the flock, read the story of Eli and his lazy adulterated sons while preachers are to lazy to get a job, they go to school to learn to preach, the bible says how can they preach unless they be sent, maybe I am missing something here but I don’t think so, prosperity preachers preach you better give or you will not get blessed, they live in million dollar homes while the congregation lives in slums, yes I support the poor, sick, homeless and any one who is in distress I refuse to give to those who preach false doctrine and think worldly gain is godliness, I get a righteous anger when those who say 10 percent belongs to God, when 100 percent belongs to God, if you read your bible you will not be deceived, I would be naïve to give you book chapter and verse of the statements I just made, that’s the problem we take teachers and preachers word for what they say instead of challenging them for truth and Jesus said my word is truth, not those that lean unto their own understanding, sorry for the lengthy comment i am not sorry for the truth I spoke, may we all find Grace and mercy in the sight of the Lord Jesus Christ.

From Darcy……I agree with you 100 persent …this is what i am up againts below
from a Pastor.. How can i go up against the Pastor ..I am still learning
can you help me with this Please. look at what he said..

Pastor Rogers if Paul hadn’t written Heb. 7 at the direction of the H.S. Tithe by biblical definition is a Faith gesture AND a Law. Jesus being its High Priest in the heavenly tabernacle. If it had been done away with Jesus would have been said to receive gifts or giving now but the H.S.Bible thru Paul said Tithe

You have the wrong pastor. Paul never said to tithe. He just said he worked hard enough where he deserved to be paid, but then also said that it would destroy the work of the gospel if he accepted money.

Hebrews 7:8 And here men that die receive tithes; but >>>THERE he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

Abraham gave tithes to Melchisedec

But there he receiveth them – The ωδε , here, in the first clause of this verse refers to Mosaical institutions, as then existing: the εκει , there, in this clause refers to the place in Genesis (Ge 14:20) where it is related that Abraham gave tithes to Melchisedec, who is still considered as being alive or without a successor, because there is no account of his death, nor of any termination of his priesthood.

Jim My Husband and Me we live in the State of Maine..out of all the churches we have been in want both Tithe and Offerings…I was born again baptized in the United Penticostl Church they to wanted both…when i became born again i was giving a gift from the Holy Spirit in Speaking in Tonuges..and I thank God for the Gift..My Question is this…We are having a very hard time finding a church that only ask for Offering only..We will not Tithe in a Church …We do it out of Church by doing everything we can to help people..And we enjoy it with no strings attached ..like most do we do it Free…Would you know a Pastor that would know any Pastors here in Maine…We live in Waterville Maine…and if you come across one …can you please let us know…God Bless you and May God Bless this Website…From Darcy….We miss going to Church….hope you can help us..if we had your email ..like yahoo i would give you our full home address

Thank you for this post! I can appreciate a blog where we can “come…reason together, ” and still do it in a moral, holy and sanctified manner.

Having thus said, your article sounds intelligent and well thought out. However, I do not see where you give us ANY Scriptures to back up your claim. As much as I like your article, I need to see Scriptures (preferably Old AND New Testament) before I can agree with you.

2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

1 Corinthians 9:9-11 For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope. If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?

The ox has no bags or pockets, but it wouldn’t go hungry

Paul went the extra mile, as it were, when he made tents for a living.

Well your article certainly causes me to realize I need to really study on this issue and seek God’s leading on the topic. I have tithed for over 10 years but now most of my money goes to outreaches and not local ministries.

Just this past weekend I heard my ‘former’ senior pastor (via LIVE online) speak on ‘tithing’ and giving generously. This kind of topic would never have been heard from him 8 years ago. He commented on how Obamacare was causing a $17,000 increase in the church’s health care premiums. He commented how the electric bill for keeping 2 campuses going cost $40,000/month. Interestingly, this church conducts regularly tours to Israel (about every 3rd year). I know some of the staff get to go on these tours FREE because it is part of the perks of the tourist industry. I kept thinking instead of commenting how people should stop having cable TV before expecting the church to help them (which most viewers do so by contract)… perhaps all those people signing up for the tour should cancel and gives that money ($1000s) to pay the electric bill. I estimate one year’s electric bill could be paid for in advance if such sacrifice was made. No one wants to give up the American dream of vacations, cable TV , eating out , Costco size excess, perks, etc. Everyone, even pastors and leadership, have their priorities and justify keeping them at the top of the ‘to do’ list.

When I joined this church (the only church I ever joined) I never heard pleas for money or messages on tithing. That changed around the time of the second campus opening up. Mega and multiple location churches are the norm now and not sure how the trend will be reversed so that the topic of the ‘tithe’ doesn’t get to become so legalistic.

Its really tough out there i think at my church im the only one who is not paying tithe,i remember the other day i was made to stand in front of everyone and from there both of them knew im not paying,the other day after giving my testimony it was again said that God helped you but you dont give tithe i really felt so guilty but i cant

I was a member of the SDA church here in Niagara falls Canada and very often the tithe message was preached in sermon regularly ! it was constantly shoved at us that we would be robbing god of we did not give the full 10% of everything we had. I lived in low income housing as a single mom with a son to care for that had bi polar and ADHD. We had shabby furniture and I slept on the couch every night because I had no bed..I had to give that to my son ! We used food banks every month to eat and had to do without clothes needed often. My son and I were very deprived of so many thing as it was but they constantly taught I would be robbing god if I didn’t give up 10% to the church ! I was living on just over $600 Per month to care for me and my son ! I was horrible ! I was made to believe by this church that if I gave god would care for me and my son and for our needs..I would be blessed ! But not so ! it seemed to me that everyone who was already in the church for all their lives had money ! The elders lived extremely well…and one of the elders even owned a plane that he flew often on Sabbath just to relax and here my son and I am eating at food banks and wearing used clothes and often doing without. it was my son I was most concerned about going to school with worn out running shoes with holes in them !
If that wasn’t bad enough I was taught for god to bless me I needed to obey him and keep his Sabbath day commandment….well I was as I had no job then. But I finally by chance got a job which paid a tiny bit better than I was doing. But they put pressure regarding the Sabbath day commandment ! I was struggling so much financially and wanted god to bless me also as with those others in church doing so well. They made me believe it was god who provided them so much ! With the pressure regarding the Sabbath day I felt worried god would be angry or not bless me if I didn’t do just that.. so I ended up in a battle over the Sabbath day at work and it was destroying my job ! But the church and some of it’s members kept pushing me and they told me god was faithful and would give me a better job if I lost this one and that he would bless me for being faithful ! Well I lost my job and got very ill from the stress I went through and the church NEVER supported me at all only pushed me ! The I lost my son to child protection until he turned 15 because working meant I wasn’t supervising him enough with his disabilities ! With my stress and my now illness from it I had no job any longer and no son with me ! Child protection gave me a very hard time getting him back and only gave him back when he was of age to make his own choice of where he wanted to stay…so I got him back home…By the way…he was mistreated in care and I suffered everyday and night crying over this and trying to get him back home ! After I got him back the government hit me with debts they said I owed then while my son was in care…..over $8,000 ! When I got him home we had nothing to live on and this church did not help me !
Where we my blessings for being faithful to god in all this ? My son was more troubled when I got him back because of what he went through and I was distraught over everything ! Talking to the church about everything all they could say was ” sorry to hear that ” then change the subject ! I got NO help with anything at all from the church after all my tithe I gave…and only gave due to the treats that I was robbing god and thought I would be punished if I didn’t ! Either GOD is NOT faithful to those who try to be faithful to him….or God is not real ? Which is it because I am turned away from god and the church now ! How can I get my money back from that church as they got it from lies and threats that I would rob god and reap the consequences ! I know it is not just the SDA church doing this stuff to people and I for one think I had the right to get my money back…all of it ! This should be illegal to put fears into people to extort funds from them…especially from those like myself… I grew up in an abusive home and alcoholic home….I have been abused all my life and suffered depression from it… I ended up in church desperate for love ! I was told this God loved me and would care for me ! BUT he did not…nor did the church ! God was NOT faithful to me and I tried to be to him… I lost my job to be faithful to God and look what happened to me !!! I am never going back to any church and I do NOT trust God or believe he is real any longer ! I have LOST more then enough in my life ! Here I am years later…son moved out and I am lost in poverty, depressed and wanting to end my life ! I have begged God to heal me of somethings that hold me back in life and hurt me….outward healing and inward healing.. I cannot heal inward unless I heal outward ! NO healing either way…either God is not real or doesn’t care ! I more depressed than ever in my entire life ! Everyday I want out of this life ! The church and god thing ruined my whole life and there is no way to repair the damage to me or my life ! I want my tithe money back as it was extorted from me using fear tactics and guilt tactics and by lies and false advertising and claims ! There should be a law against this as it is CRIMINAL ! If had the law ( not God’s) to answer to… they would be careful what they teach or demand or extort) from people ! I am so angry and I want my money back !!!! There has got to be a lawyer who would stand up for me and fight for me ! Something has got to be done about this ! Please do not preach to me about god because he himself proved unfaithful to me ! If he is real let him heal me now so that I may believe because without that I will never believe again ! !

the tithe is an offering to god, and what is not burned up on the altar goes to the widow and the poor.

instead of helping the poor, the church robbed you instead.

they won’t give it back, but you can try an attorney and see if there is a legal way to do it.

do not go back there…..the elders are guilty of malachi 3:10, where God is scolding the priests, not the people, for robbing him…..the people gave their tithe, and the elders kept it for themselves…..this is the same thing that happens today.

focus on taking care of yourself and child, and forget this bunch of vultures.

Thank you for your support Marianne ! I do not know where to get the funds to get a lawyer for help me fight back… but even if they robbed the poor and god by not helping the poor etc… God himself has not helped me either ! Even if they robbed God or the poor why does god not help me and why does he not care to do something on my behalf ? Why am I left to fend for myself on my own with no help ? I seriously feel he is not real and I have given up any hope on life or him ! I hope I disappear really soon ! !
My son is on his own now.. so it is just me left now. I have no more faith in God and find him very unfaithful also…he doesn’t help the poor either, nor those who need healing ! I am one of them that slipped through the cracks and God doesn’t care for either ! I have no reason to believe any longer !
If it isn’t the church it is god himself who turns away from helping or healing me…so why should I go on any longer !

The church in which I was baptized 9 yrs ago is falling apart. weekly pleas are now being made with financial graphs indicating the massive decline in giving. This is primarily due to the major givers having left the church following drama with the pastor.The staff has been fired and now the urgency and reconciliation efforts highly dependent on the ‘acts of forgiveness’ in the form of $$, alongside the promises to shepherd better and live in the light seems like “too little, too late”. I myself never tithed a tenth. That is not to say that I haven’t given My husband is the sole income earner, we have major debt, which has always made the traditional 10th a concept he could not accept. He has struggled many years now with the little faith that he has. We are both–although myself less so, still milk fed. We have not grown as believers the way we should have, should be. We have not shepherded our money well. It seems that there is no House of the Lord which is not corrupted. I am living in fear and terribly troubled. I have such a sense of doom.I don’t know why I am sharing this here. Maybe it’s the irony of our failures in our own lives next to a church that has failed in the same way. It is a painful time. Thank you for your posts, I have found them enlightening.

Having debt in this world of inflated goods and prices, along with food shortages ( I was just watching a video when you wrote in) is not unusual….do not put yourself down for that…..many good people struggle right now….

the pastor needs to get a real job and stop asking people to pay his salary…..he only works 1-2 days a week. no one is obligated to support him.

churches run like a business will fail ….that is not what jesus had commanded…we are all to spread the gospel…..not just a select few that want a paycheck

leave that church and focus on private time with God….spend some time each day or evening together reading the bible and finding your message there.

this is how you get the “meat” of the word, as well as the “milk”

Look to god together to help you through each day (give us this day our DAILY bread) and walk in faith. Food shortages, famine, economic collapse, civil unrest will hit this society soon, and you will need both worldly provision and divine provision….

we are all in for a rough ride….so focus on storing food and water, blankets, etc for emergencies..get extra cash and keep at home….in case bank closes

I’m very intrigued by the way you presented tithing. I’m with you on all points, and my heart really goes out to poor, especially those who are placed in fear of a curse due to non-tithing.

I used to be a regular giver to the church when I was studying (my allowances), but after graduation found myself jobless, and no parental allowances. I couldn’t tithe, but were placed in circumstances where I had to give, sometimes the last $5 in my wallet, to a stranger who asked, not knowing where my next meal is.

Subsequently I stopped tithing, but never stopped giving. Came across this article going around facebook:

and decided to leave my 2 cents there. The author is still encouraging the poor to tithe *in the comments section* and I decided to speak out. Your article is the 3th I came across and most informative – went through all the comments the last 2 hours or so, and I’m truly amazed by your ministry.

I’m looking forward to reading up more of your other articles as well, but since it’s like 4:30am my time, perhaps another day! Oh, I embarked on a christian blog also, do check it out!

Wonderful dissertation!!!!! Praying for you as it takes courage to reveal the truth to the masses. That’s not easy!!! Those who worship me must worship in Spirit and in Truth!!! Always felt this way in my spirit. Its all about right believing. Sad to see that the church is consistently suppressing its members by not preaching and teaching the truth. In many of these churches, Jesus would come in and overturn the pulpits as they operate like a den of thieves!!!

…thanking God for divine truth! I stand amazed at the many ways God reveals himself when we, one will seek him wholeheartedly! Finding him is an adventure all by itself. He is not where men would say…..!!!

You are asking me to explain something I do not believe in because it is NOT backed up by scriptures.

your church wants your money because it is a BUSINESS….to tell you to find another church if you do not give money indicates it is a synagogue of satan and you would be wise to leave anyhow.

read my 2 posts on tithing…..it is not for new testament believers….it might surprise you that not even orthodox jews pay tithes…this is because the ONLY place tithes were offered was in the TEMPLE, which does not exist right now..

the church money grabbers are trying to take the place of the temple, to get money…..tithes were never money!!!!…..tithes were FOOD

Malachi 3:10 is about the PRIESTS and LEADERS cheating God by taking the tithes and offerings from the people and keeping it all for themselves…..do not them fool you anymore.!

I agree with Marianne – for what it’s worth. My background includes attending a Protestant Seminary (Emanuel Christian) and a particular course on “Church Growth” back in the 80’s.

The few things I remember from that course today:

1) People make a decision to stay or leave a church within 3 visits. Then listing what church leaders need to do when a visiter attends.

2) People are concerned about parking and access to the church.

3) I don’t remember anything about seeking the Holy Spirit and praise/worship outside of music ministry.

I agree – most and I mean almost all “churches” are about “church growth” like a non-for-profit business. There is a vision and a purpose and it’s about membership and members participating in various programs, which brings people to hear the Gospel message.

Please read Acts 20:27-38.

Paul worked for a living and when rhe fellowship of believers collected any monetary gifts it was “to support the weak” (verse 35). They did not collect money to build a building or facilities to support “programs”. Paul worked (Acts 18:3) to support himself and if anyone gave it was a free-will offering.

Churches are not fully blessed these days for many reasons – the above is one. What ministers consider blessed is not really spiritually fulfilling, edifying a Believer. Those blessing can be accomplish by the Spirit, when 2 or more gather in His name.

Consider Acts 9:31 –

“Then the churches throughout all Judea, Galilee, and Samaria had peace and were edified. And walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit, they were multiplied” (NKJV).

Does the vision of the church you are writing about, which is an organization of poeple that has a speceifc vision, include any statements with similar language – “waking in fear of The Lord” and “in the comfort of the Holy Spirit” or preaching/teaching such statements from the pulpit?

Do they know what these phrases mean?

“The fear of the Lord is His treasure.”

That is a passage from Scriptures. Google that sentence and see the passage and explore.

Those statements (Acts 9:31) are essential for multiplying His Church, which is different than building church membership and church growth through “a church” vision.

One last point – fellowship can be accomplished when 2 or more are gathered together in His name over dinner once a week or maybe twice a week in the home. So nice – fellowship of like-minded Believers, giving thanks, holding hands and praying together.

I meet with a family once a week and with a couple of men – each on a different day. That is when I am “in church”. I also read and reply on Heaven Awaits like it is a Sunday School Class of very diverse people from around the world.

Found this article several weeks ago and I think you may appreciate the message.

“Would the modern American church even be recognizable to early followers of Jesus?” by Marcus Yoars

“By today´s standards in the American church, Jesus wasn´t cut out to be a pastor, nor would His ministry be highlighted as a model for church planters.

Consider these facts:

Jesus had the greatest preaching, teaching and healing ministry in history. Thousands came to hear Him, followed His every move and lined the streets to get a glimpse of Him or simply touch Him.

After Jesus spent three and a half years ministering to thousands, His church consisted of only 120 disciples gathered in the upper room. And even that was a low turnout, considering He had appeared to more than 500 people after His resurrection (1 Cor. 15:6).

But we know the rest of the story: how the 120 quickly became 3,120 and grew daily to where even unbelievers credited Jesus´ followers as those “who have turned the world upside down” (Acts 17:6).

The truth is, we know that Jesus´ divine church-growth tactics surpass all others-with the proof being a global church that, 2,000 years later, refuses to die while it works to fulfill His Great Commission.

Why, then, do we in the 21st-century American church focus on all the elements that Jesus didn´t?

A) He focused on training and equipping 12 disciples; we focus on growing our crowds and spheres of influence, regardless of whether those people follow Jesus.

B) He preached an uncompromising message of truth; we sugarcoat the gospel until we´re saccharine-high on deception.

C) He walked among His enemies in love; we ostracize our enemies by blasting them for all their sins.

Indeed, most of the U.S. church is enamored with size over substance and microwave growth over true reproduction.

Research shows that while 235 million people call themselves Christians, only 40 percent of those meet regularly with fellow believers and only a fourth (at most) read the Bible on a regular basis.

It´s time we discovered the marks of the real church, measured by Jesus´ standards rather than our own trendy metrics. So what are those elements?

Here are just a few.

1) Love.

Jesus defined a premier characteristic of His church in John 13:35: “By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”

If we can´t even love fellow believers-if we skewer each other (Denominationalism) over theological differences -how can we expect the world to want what we have?

2) Prayer.

Jesus was constantly communicating with the Father, listening for His thoughts and seeing where He was already moving. Luke´s Gospel shows that little happened in Christ´s life without Him first praying.

Why, then, do most church gatherings today focus so little on prayer?

In trying to be culturally relevant and seeker-sensitive, we´ve conveyed that this essentiality of our faith-both individually and corporately-is secondary. That can´t be if we want to mimic Jesus.

3) Persecution.

We in the West equate religious freedom and the lack of persecution with blessing. Yet when you look for the most powerful churches in the world, where the Spirit moves freely and in fullness, you´ll always find persecution.

It´s time we wake up and realize that persecution galvanizes and unifies the body of Christ like few other pressures.

Remember, Jesus promised persecution to those who truly follow Him (Matt. 5:11-12; John 15:20).

When was the last time you saw this promise fulfilled in your own life or church?

4) Power.

Jesus also promised that His followers would do greater works than He did (John 14:12)-a promise sealed by the gift of the Holy Spirit to empower us. Wherever the early apostles and church went, the miraculous followed. Though there have been seasons of Holy Spirit revival in our nation, even charismatic churches today are
de-emphasizing such things as praying for the sick, demonic deliverance or the prophetic.

Making room for the Spirit´s supernatural movement isn´t an option; it´s the mark of those who truly follow Christ.”

I belong to a church that our pastor retired a year ago…we are still looking for a new one but in the meantime have an interim pastor and all of the sudden we are suppose to be tithing 10%. Changes are being made and the church no longer feels warm and inviting. The latest is we were all suppose to fill out a questionnaire supposedly for the church profile. My question is why do they need to know are ethnicity, are age, if we work full time, what kind of job we have and our yearly income. Why does a potential future pastor for our church need to know these things. The we were told jokingly we could not leave the church if we did not fill it out. I refused to fill it out and that is when I started looking up information on tithing and found your page. Your answer pretty much sums up how I feel. I give what I can and God always blesses me. There may be times I know I should give more and I will work on that but my husband and I also do a lot for those in need in our community and surrounding communities. I am really thinking about switching churches because I should feel good when I leave church not frustrated and angered.

The church does not need to know any of that information about you. that is confidential. the bible says to give as the holy spirit leads you…..this means it is you and the holy spirit who decides, NOT any pastor who is snooping into your finances so he can demand 10% for himself. leave there, or do not cooperate until a new pastor shows up.

also, regarding your second comment….a church should not need fundraising if God is blessing the church…and…there is no guarantee that the next pastor will be paid from any money being collected now…..the current temporary pastor may be just lining his pockets and keeping it for himself. do not pay him.

Those folks (leadership and minister) in your church are operating a non-for-profit business, applying fundraising, marketing tools.

I just posted a reply just a few minutes ago to someone with a similar concern. Please scroll down to the bottom of the page and see the reply to “Clarity”.

The situation in the church you currently attend – it makes me sick.

Consider Acts 9:31 –

“Then the churches throughout all Judea, Galilee, and Samaria had peace and were edified. And walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit, they were multiplied” (NKJV).

Does the vision of the church you are writing about (which is an organization that has a vision), include any statements with similar language in writing – “waking in fear of The Lord” and “in the comfort of the Holy Spirit” or preaching/teaching such statements from the pulpit?

Do the leaders of the church you attend know what these phrases mean?

“The fear of the Lord is His treasure.”

That is a passage form Scriptures. Please – Google that sentence and see the passage and explore.

These statements are essential for multiplying His Church, which is different than building church membership and church growth through “a church” vision.

The early churches did not conduct internal marketing research, obtaining data from “members” in order to develop, plan and execute a church growth strategy.

They also want to do fundraising to assist in the hiring of a new pastor and to provide funds for the development of a significant ministry….this is to be an over & above gift that could be given one time, monthly, or annually over two years. They are wanting to send letters to not only member but to friends around the community. They were also wanting to do an ice cream social fundraiser and invite people to it from the community in hopes of getting donations………..Am I wrong to feel the way I do? This just seems so wrong that it is literally making me sick.

And the proposed vision of the church is 1) Meeting God 2)Effecting Change 3)Impacting lives 4) Growing 5)Experiencing the Joy of the Lord.

hi I’ve been wondering about this I have been a widower for over a little of the year I have three minor children and my husband was the great breadwinner and now the only thing we live on is Social Security and I don’t know what to do last month I paid my time and did not have enough for my electric bill so I pulled one of my TVs I’m in desperate need to know the truth could you please respond to this call me there is no help from my church at all maybe I need to fast and pray more and maybe this is my answer from God for you is my mother in law told me when my husband wasn’t around that I did not have to pay tithes on my waelfare check or my student loan but I did in our church have not grew. as a matter of fact members have left the maybe 7 that we had……my email is noahel@yahoo.com

Marianne i found your website a few years ago and find your scripture knowledge amazing,surely God has given you a gift that is rare in todays modern,rocking church age,just want to give you encouragement and keep the faith,God Bless.

Tithing was under and is under the law with a curse for Christians seeking salvation under the law. Malachi 3:1-18. Salvation under the law one attains it at last breath on earth having done all that pertains to the law which is hard for one to accomplish. Even the tithe which was given by Abraham was under the law of sin and death from the fall of Adam and Eve. When Christ was born He was given gifts and not tithes Mathew 2:11-12. Salvation under spiritual law of love in grace is freely given and attained, Ephesians 2:4 -9, Ephesians 2:13 -20. Under Leviticus priesthood tithes were given for the tribe of Levi and tithe of tithe to the high Priest for they shared no land apart from the walled towns they were allocated to stay in for their continuous daily sacrifice to God, Numbers 18:20 -21, Numbers18: 28 -29.Widows, strangers ,fatherless and orphans benefited from tithes and offerings given to Levites, Deuteronomy 14:22-29. In Christianity widows were asked to be catered by close brethren to ease burden to the Church. There were also different tithes in Israel. There was a tithe where a family had to eat before the Lord, Deutreronomy12:6-7. In Christ Jesus we are saved by grace and not by works of law Galatians 3:8-13, Galatians 4: 4-5, Galatians2:16-21, Galatians 5:18. In NEWTESTAMENT two priesthood are compared Hebrew7: 7-28 Hebrew8:6 -13, Hebrew 9:6-9, Hebrew 10:8-23. Leviticus priesthood under the law with tithes, death, discontinuity and its acceptance under law and the holy priesthood of Christ without tithes, death and discontinuity under which Christians are in salvation being a Holy nation and loyal Priests to preach to the world GOD being their Father, 2Peter 2:5-9. Christ is from the tribe of Juda without priesthood and he never sent the Levites to preach to the world. Christ is the end of the law of sin and death which was against us having crucified it on the cross of Calvary Roman 10:1-4, Roman8:1-2,Roman 6:13-14 . Christ accomplished the requirement of the law and became the Lord of the law. Beside the death of the two sinners, in CHRIST JESUS accomplished two deaths . Christ crucified on the Cross the law of sin and death. Christ then removed the first covenant and established the Second Covenant mediated BY Him for better promise for us. All Apostles of Christ never asked for tithes. Even Judas never asked for tithes. Christ Himself never asked for tithes. In new testament comments are made on tithing under law which some want to use to justify tithing. Our Christian faith is founded on foundation of apostles, prophets ,JESUS CHRIST Himself being the Apostle and corner stone of our faith,Hebrew3:1. Leviticus priesthood is totally left out. In the same Spirit Paul referred law was our tutor and not law is our tutor. To justify oneself us paying tithes under the law one has to give tithes to all saved Christians in the Church for we are loyal priests in Christ Jesus. But God does not have pleasure for Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings for sin neither had pleasure therein, which are offered under the law. A fountain cannot produce sweet and bitter water the same time. James 3:8-18. We Christian are saved by GRACE IN CHRIST LOVE(Spiritual Law) for we cannot be subjected to law of sin and death crucified by Christ on cross of Calvary. We ought to have the spiritual understanding of the Word of God in righteousness. Colossians 1:9-10. As God has blessed us we should give sacrificially as we have purposed in our hearts in liberty and in love, Galatians 5:1,1Corinthians16 :1-2, 2Corinthians 9;6-7, Galatians 6:6-7, Hebrew6:6-12,Hebrew13:11-16. Christ taught spiritual giving to God and to our parents, Luke 6:8 ,Matthew15:5-9. Paul also taught the same .2Corinthians 9:6-14, Philippians 2:4-5. Aaron was given unto Moses, the Levite tribe was given unto Aaron, the eleven tribes of Israel were given unto Levites to serve them but we Christians are purchased through the blood of Christ we are no mans’ servants but servants of Christ ,1Corinthians 7:21-24 , 1 Corinthians9:6-7. This calls for wisdom .Apostles worked with their own hands providing for preaching of the GOSPEL and the offerings they received from Christian were not tithes,Philppians4:15- 20 ,1Corinthians 4:8- 12,I Corinthians 16:1-2, 1Thessalonians 4:11-12,2Thessalonians3:8-10, 1Timothy5:8 . Those ordained to preach the Gospel should live of the Gospel, Acts 9: 14.
For three and half years the Leviticus priesthood which was under replacement was envious against Christ . They beat and told the apostles of Christ not to preach in the name of Christ, Acts 5:17-42. Paul himself got letters to persecute Christians from Jerusalem to Damascus from the Leviticus High Priest , ACTS 9: 1-3.The Leviticus priesthood , scribes and elders mocked Christ, Mathew 23:41-42 . The Leviticus Priesthood wanted to kill all apostles of Christ but God used Gamaliel who was a doctor of the law to argue their case to freedom. Those Pastors and priest calling themselves Levites together with their families today for the sake of laying their hands on tithes for themselves are plundering the pockets of Christians making them less effective loyal priest of Christ to the world. Some Levites pastors have gone ahead and questioned the salvation of Christians who do not tithe. Levites pastors and priests appreciates Christians on tithes. This has brought mushrooming churches based on tithes. Without calling themselves the Levites of today who persecuted Christians and plunder Christians pockets today ,no pastor or priest can be able to demand to be given tithes. Leviticus priesthood and elders never gave a helping hand to Christians. Christ did not leave His Church under Leviticus Priesthood. When we take the Word of God out of its content and contest ,we have contempt for the Word of God. He (GOD)who brought tithing under the old Covenant took it away in His(CHRIST) rights in the new Covenant.
We can preach the Word of God quoting scriptures like the devil when he tested Jesus or quote the scriptures like CHRIST when He answered satan. Matthew 4:1-11 We can teach doctrine of men instead of doctrines of God. Tithing contradict the doctrine of salvation. Mathew15:5-9. We can preach the Word of God making the Church a house of merchandise to make merchandise of Christians and those who do so whose God is their belly prospers .If the trade was not profitable to them then it would have come to an end but it is a lucrative profitable business to them cunningly preserved with tactical appreciations to body of Christ and spreading of the Gospel. Are elect Christians deceived? Romans 16:17 -19 ,2 Peter 2:1-3, John 2:16, Philppians3:17-19. We can preach Christ out of envy, strife or of good will. Philippians 1:15-17,2Corinthians4:1-2.
Tithing is a hard topic to teach without spiritual understanding since we have many high profile elite preachers teaching on the same with books written of great hoped promises and condemnation on the same for those who do not tithe, Ephesians 5:6-7, Thessalonians 2:3-4. Well educated Christians are used to teach on tithes giving a cover up of golden carpet and are warmly appreciated from the pulpit. Christians have been subjected to a well coordinated teachings on tithes under cool confusion and professional lies of an preceded proportion than ever before They become the magnetizing force with alluring great blessed promises and wealth.. Pharisees and the Scribes were most well educated and Jesus said woe unto them seven times for being stumbling blocks in faith. Mathew 23:9-39. We only need to rightly divide the Word of God and know whether we are Christians seeking salvation under the law or we are Christians saved by Christ through the Spiritual law of love in grace, Corinthians 1:12-16,2 Timothy 2:15 . We redeemed sons of God have common inheritance in Christ Jesus, Galatians 4:4- Colssians1:9-14 ,1Corinthians 2:12-16. We are called spiritual sons of God after salvation and not before in fallen state. The same priests and pastors wreck the spiritual scriptures when they teach fallen Angles are called sons of God who married daughters of men giving offspring of giants , Genesis 6:1-8. God says he has never called any angles his son, Hebrew 1:4-5.When were fallen angles redeemed to be called sons? The ownership of increased daughters is unto men before being referred to as sons of God and the lust to polygamous marriage was with men. In their high profile preaching and teaching they condemn God as unjust in judgment since no judgment is passed to angles they refer to as sons of God. When men dropped further from grace when they practiced polygamous marriage and their life span was reduced to one hundred and twenty years , no judgment is passed to purposed angles they teach us sons of God. The sons of God were men who had done reconciliation to God the same way Abel had done and was accepted by God. The judgment is specifically to mankind and giants born in sin of polygamous marriage do not qualify the sons of God to be angles. Angles are ministering spirits with no reproductive empowerment, Matthew 22:29-32, Hebrew 1:14-14. Our relationship to God our Father is in love Roman 8:14-17. Only those who are greedy spiritual conmen mix spiritual teaching under carnal law and spiritual teaching enlightenment under spiritual law . Apostles of Christ did not preach the Gospel in greediness and insincere falsehood The devil uses the nobles, evil and false witness to do his will according to circumstances, Acts 13;50-51 Acts 6: 9-14. Christians must remain wise and not be cheated by devils workers transforming themselves as angles of light. 2Corinthians11: 13-15. There are may be those who preach tithing to saved Christians for lack of spiritual understanding. We should gird up the loins of our minds. 1Peter :13-15. We shall not be corned and conned.
God bless us in abundant grace of spiritual revelation and understanding of His Holy Word, Colssians1:9-14, Ephesians 5:6 -7,1Thessalonians 2:3-6, 2Timothy2:15, 2Timothy 2:24-26 . Amen
I am happy and blessed to interact with you on spiritual teachings. Hope we shall search more scriptures for our spiritual growth . Yearning to receive your input on the topic .God bless you.
The message is freely given
purely to the body of JESUS CHRIST worldwide.
Br. Robert Munyui Kamunyu

This is exactly right. And it’s why I have turned away from modern day churches, but never from God.
Today, pastors go to college to learn how to preach. Back in the day, God called on a man to preach, and there are no classes needed for God to speak through a true minister. But a man will choose being a minister for a career, because today it’s a very highly paid position.
It’s all messed up!
I agree 100% with everything said here.

Hi, I am so pleased to read this! I have had this view and no-one is prepared to listen. I would love to hear more. I fully agree that with this tithing system you feel you need to pay to go to Church. This goes against all my religious belief. As a newly married couple we live within our means and the idea of giving ten per cent to support the pastor when we are doing this and expecting God to bail us out is ridiculous.

Thank you for your information,Recently I quit a certain church because the pastor there asked the members to collect a tithe booklet and use it to even bar thieves from breaking into the house by simply throwing it at the door at night incase of any breakage!

Tithing was under and is under the law with a curse for Christians seeking salvation under the law, Galatians 3:3-13, Malachi 3:1-18. Saved Christians by grace lead by the Holy Spirit are ministers of the new testament born of love with exceeding glory which surpassed the glory that was in law in Moses and we have been redeemed from the curse of the law to adoptions of sons and are not under the law, Galatians 5:1, Galatians4:4-5,2 Corinthians 3:1-18 . Salvation under the law one attains it at last breath on earth having done all that pertains to the law which is hard for one to accomplish. Even the tithe which was given by Abraham was under the law of sin and death from the fall of Adam and Eve. Those who cheat would like to deceive Christians that tithe was before the law but before which law. When Christ was born He was given gifts and not tithes Mathew 2:11-12. Salvation under spiritual law of love by grace is freely given and attained, Ephesians 2:4 -9, Ephesians 2:13 -20. Under Leviticus priesthood tithes were given for the tribe of Levi and tithe of tithe to the high Priest for they shared no land apart from the walled towns they were allocated to stay in for their continuous sacrifice to God, Numbers 18:20 -29.Widows, strangers ,fatherless and orphans benefited from tithes and offerings given to Levites, Deuteronomy 14:22-29. In Christianity widows were asked to be catered by close brethren to ease burden to the Church. There were also tithes of different kinds in Israel. There was also a tithe where a family had to eat all before the Lord, Deutreronomy12:6-7. In Christ Jesus we are saved by grace and not by works of law ,Galatians 3:8-13,Acts13: 38-39, Galatians 4: 4-5, Galatians2:16-21, Galatians 5:18. In NEW TESTAMENT two priesthood are compared Hebrew7: 7-28, Hebrew8:6 -13, Hebrew 9:6-9, Hebrew 10:8-23. Leviticus priesthood under the law with tithes, death, discontinuity and its acceptance under glory of law done away in Christ and the holy priesthood of Christ without tithes, death and discontinuity with exceeding glory under which Christians are in salvation being a Holy nation and loyal Priests to preach to the world GOD being their Father in new covenant ministry, 2 Corinthians2:1-13, 2Peter 2:5-9. Christ is from the tribe of Juda without priesthood and he never sent the Levites Priests to preach to the world. Christ is the end of the law of sin and death which was against us having crucified it on the cross of Calvary Roman 10:1-4, Roman8:1-2,Roman 6:13-14 . Christ came to accomplish all the requirements of the law and became the Lord of the law. Beside the death of the two sinners, in CHRIST JESUS accomplished two deaths . Christ crucified on the Cross the law of sin and death which was against us. Christ then removed the first covenant and established the better Second Covenant mediated BY Him upon established better promises for us. All Apostles of Christ never asked for tithes. Even Judas never asked for tithes. Christ Himself never asked for tithes. In new testament comments are made on tithing under law which some want to use to justify tithing. Our Christian faith is founded on foundation of apostles, prophets ,JESUS CHRIST Himself being the Apostle and Corner Stone of our faith,Hebrew3:1. Leviticus priesthood is totally left out. In the same Spirit Paul referred law as was our and not law is our school master. To justify oneself us paying tithes under the law one has to give tithes to all saved Christians in the Church for we are loyal priests in Christ Jesus presenting our bodies as living sacrifice. But God does not have pleasure for Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings for sin neither had pleasure therein, which are offered under the law. Hebrew10:8. Pastors and priests have done away with offering ,sacrifices and burnt offerings for sins under the law and have been left comfortably with offering offered under law cunningly concealed in deceptively teaching . A fountain cannot produce sweet and bitter water the same time. James 3:8-18. We Christian are saved by GRACE IN CHRIST LOVE(Spiritual Law) for we cannot be subjected to law of sin and death crucified and done away by Christ on cross of Calvary. We are subjected to spiritual law of life in Christ Jesus and ought to have the spiritual understanding of the Word of God in liberty without corrupting the Word of God. Roman 8:1-2, Colossians 1:9-10. As God has blessed us in common inheritance of the saints and we should give sacrificially as we have purposed in our hearts in liberty and in love, Galatians 5:1, 2Corinthians 9;6-7, Galatians 6:6-7, Hebrew6:6-12,Hebrew13:11-16. Christ taught spiritual giving to God and to our parents, Luke 6:8 ,Matthew15:5-9. Paul also taught the same .2Corinthians 9:6-14, Philippians 2:4-5. Aaron was given unto Moses, the Levite tribe was given unto Aaron, the eleven tribes of Israel were given unto Levite tribe to serve them but we Christians are purchased through the blood of Christ we are no mans’ servants but servants of Christ 1Corinthians 7:21-2 , Numbers 3:9-15. Those under the law are under curse. Are they telling Christians curses under law are blessings for them or they have powers to remove curses when Christians tithe to them? They have directed Christians to deceptive ways of curses for their own benefits and not blessings. The bounty of terror of deceptive greediness is professionally tactically presented as blessing based on salvation under their yard stick of tithes. The body of CHRIST is talking about the mess they have been subjected to by Levites priests and pastors. In willful deception by calling themselves the Levites of today who persecuted Christians and plunder Christians pockets today they are able to demand to be given tithes. Levites priests and elders never gave a helping hand to Christians. Christ did not leave His Church under Leviticus Priesthood. When we take the Word of God out of its content and contest ,we have contempt for the Word of God. He (GOD)who brought tithing under the old Covenant took it away in His(CHRIST) rights in the new Covenant.
We can preach the Word of God quoting scriptures like the devil when he tested Jesus or quote the scriptures like CHRIST when He answered satan in time of need. Matthew 4:1-11 We can teach doctrine of men instead of doctrines of God. We can have a zeal of faith and establish our own righteousness not according righteousness of God in the knowledge of his Word. Roman 10:1-4. Pastors and priests calling themselves Levites of today have capitalized on low level Christian doctrinal knowledge teachings among Christians. .Tithing contradict the doctrine of salvation. Mathew15:5-9. We can preach the Word of God making the Church a house of merchandise to make merchandise of Christians and those who do so whose God is their belly which made Adam and Eve to fail in their relationship with God .If the trade was not profitable to them then it would have come to an end but it is a lucrative profitable business to them cunningly preserved with tactical appreciations to the body of Christ and spreading of the Gospel. Are elect Christians deceived? Romans 16:17 -19 ,2 Peter 2:1-3, John 2:16, Philppians3:17-19. We can preach Christ out of envy, strife or of good will. Philippians 1:15-17,2Corinthians4:1-2. It is the body of Christ the Church which is sent to preach to the world also as individuals brethren bearing the burden to preach to the world as Apostles of Christ did. The responsibility has not been on shoulders of priests and pastors only. Brethren are the loyal priests.
Tithing is a hard topic to teach without spiritual understanding since we have many high profile elite preachers teaching on the same with books written of great hoped promises and condemnation on the same for those who do not tithe, Ephesians 5:6-7, Thessalonians 2:3-4. Some Christians in deceptive manner do teaching on tithes which is warmly appreciated from the pulpit. They become the magnetizing force with alluring great hoped blessed promises of wealth .Pharisees and the Scribes were most well educated and Jesus said woe unto them seven times for being stumbling blocks in faith. Mathew 23:9-39. We only need to rightly divide the Word of God and know whether we are Christians seeking salvation under the law or we are Christians saved by grace in Christ through the Spiritual law of love, Corinthians 1:12-16,2 Timothy 2:15 . We redeemed sons of God who are made Kings and priests unto God have a common inheritance in Christ Jesus, Galatians 4:4-5, Colssians1:9-14 ,1Corinthians 2:12-16. Revelation 1;4-6 . We are called spiritual sons of God after salvation not before in fallen state and who are enabled to do the righteousness that was in the law but we are not under the law. The same priests and pastors wreck the spiritual scriptures when they teach fallen Angles are called sons of God who married daughters of men giving offspring of giants , Genesis 6:1-8. God says he has never called any angles his son, Hebrew 1:4-5.When were fallen angles redeemed and sanctified to be called sons? The ownership of increased daughters is unto men before being referred to as sons of God and the lust to polygamous marriage was with men. Are beautiful daughters born today for men? Shall we have another episode of fallen angles marrying daughters of men before the close of age? Many have taught the Word of God outside Biblical doctrines so many are deceived in their teaching and preaching which condemn God as unjust since no judgment is passed to angles they refer to as sons of God. When men dropped further from grace when they practiced polygamous marriage and their life span was reduced to one hundred and twenty years , no judgment is passed to purposed angles they teach us sons of God. The sons of God were men who had done reconciliation to God the same way Abel had done and was accepted by God. The judgment is specifically to mankind and giants born in sin of polygamous marriage do not qualify the sons of God to be angles. Angles are ministering spirits with no reproductive empowerment, Matthew 22:29-32, Hebrew 1:14-14. Our relationship to God our Father is in love in our loyal priesthood to the world. Roman 8:14-17. Only those who are covetous mix teaching under carnal law and spiritual teaching enlightenment under spiritual law .. The devil uses the nobles, evil and false witness to do his will according to circumstances, Acts 13;50-51 Acts 6: 9-14. Christians must remain wise and not be cheated by devils workers transforming themselves as angles of light which corrupt the Word of God, 2Corinthians2:17, 2Corinthians11: 13-15. Levites Pastor, Priests and some Christians misquote Jesus Christ on judgment. Judge not that you may be not judged . Matthew7:1-5. They say God prohibit judgment which is not true since it is based on taking the scripture out of content and contest on understanding Jesus statement. Shall you close your eyes to evils committed that they may not judge you. Do you buy yourself freedom from being judged for not condemning evil or commenting on anything positive or negative. The preaching of the Word of God is based on judgment on sins and righteousness . God requires from us righteous judgment in wisdom and in love which condemn sins which leads man to repentant of sins and redemption. The Word of God in its content and contest states judgment on sins and righteousness. All living beings and organic life are in constant judgment for existent. If we can stop all processes of judgments life will come to a standstill and ultimate death with final judgment of decay. Life and all creation were established in good judgment by God and close of age shall end in judgment to eternal life or eternal death which is eternal life of suffering and separation from God. Genesis 1:1-31, Genesis 2:1-25. Even our bodies judge us out of energy and we hunger for food and thirst for water. All witty discoveries are results of acknowledgment of positive judgments on active well coordinated principals. Christians are encouraged to solve cases in judgment among themselves. 1Corinthians 6:1-7,The Bible encourage us that our love may abound yet more in knowledge and in all Judgment and we judge ourselves dead in Christ, 2 Corinthians5:14 ,Philippians 1:9-12,.Life is in active constant judgments and the creation mourns for final judgment which it shall be subjected by God. We relate in evaluation to all things in judgment. Irrespective of any judgment delivered on us we should delivers the Heavenly Kingdom judgment to sins . We saved Christians are counted and judged worthy to suffer tribulations together with Christ when we live Christian life in love ,Revelation Chapter1,2and3. We thus judge ourselves dead in Christ.
There are may be those who preach tithing to saved Christians for lack of spiritual understanding. We should girdle up the loins of our minds. 1Peter :13-15.Roman 10:1-4. We shall not be cornered and be cheated. God bless us in abundant grace of spiritual revelation and understanding of His Holy Word, Colssians1:9-14, Ephesians 5:6 -7,1Thessalonians 2:3-6, 2Timothy2:15, 2Timothy 2:24-26 . Amen
I am happy and blessed to interact with you on spiritual teachings. Hope we shall search more scriptures for our spiritual growth . Yearning to receive your input on the topic .God bless you.
The message is freely given
purely to the body of JESUS CHRIST worldwide.

Tithing was under and is under the law with a curse for Christians seeking salvation under the law, Galatians 3:3-13, Malachi 3:1-18. When pastors and priest quote Malachi 3:1-18, under the law IN OLD COVENANT , how many Christians line up to be served with food when tithes and offering under the law are given? Is the storehouse pastors’ and priests’ house or the Church? Saved Christians by grace IN NEW COVENANT , lead by the Holy Spirit are ministers of the new testament born of love with exceeding glory which surpassed the glory that was in law in Moses and we have been redeemed from the curse of the law to adoptions of sons and are not under the law, Galatians 5:1, Galatians4:4-5,2 Corinthians 3:1-18 . Salvation under the law one attains it at last breath on earth having done all that pertains to the law which is hard for one to accomplish. Even the tithe which was given by Abraham was under the law of sin and death from the fall of Adam and Eve. Those who cheat would like to deceive Christians that tithe was before the law but before which law. When Christ was born He was given gifts and not tithes Mathew 2:11-12. Salvation under spiritual law of love by grace is freely given and attained, Ephesians 2:4 -9, Ephesians 2:13 -20. Under Leviticus priesthood tithes were given for the tribe of Levi and tithe of tithe to the high Priest for they shared no land apart from the walled towns they were allocated to stay in for their continuous sacrifice to God, Numbers 18:20 -29.Widows, strangers ,fatherless and orphans benefited from tithes and offerings given to Levites, Deuteronomy 14:22-29. In Christianity widows were asked to be catered by close brethren to ease burden to the Church. There were also tithes of different kinds in Israel. There was also a tithe where a family had to eat all before the Lord, Deutreronomy12:6-7. In Christ Jesus we are saved by grace to adoptions of sons and not by works of law ,Galatians 3:8-13,Acts13: 38-39, Galatians 4: 4-5, Galatians2:16-21, Galatians 5:18. In NEW TESTAMENT two priesthood are compared Hebrew7: 7-28, Hebrew8:6 -13, Hebrew 9:6-9, Hebrew 10:8-23. Leviticus priesthood under the law with tithes, death, discontinuity and its acceptance under glory of law done away in Christ and the holy priesthood of Christ without tithes, death and discontinuity with exceeding glory under which Christians are in salvation being a Holy nation and loyal Priests to preach to the world GOD being their Father in new covenant ministry, 2 Corinthians2:1-13, 2Peter 2:5-9. Christ is from the tribe of Juda without priesthood and he never sent the Levites Priests to preach to the world. Christ is the end of the law of sin and death which was against us having crucified it on the cross of Calvary Roman 10:1-4, Roman8:1-2,Roman 6:13-14 . Christ came to accomplish all the requirements of the law and became the Lord of the law for our redemption from the law. Beside the death of the two sinners, in CHRIST JESUS accomplished two deaths . Christ crucified on the Cross the law of sin and death which was against us. Christ then removed the first covenant and established the better Second Covenant mediated BY Him upon established better promises for us. All Apostles of Christ never asked for tithes. Even Judas never asked for tithes. Christ Himself never asked for tithes. In new testament comments are made on tithing under law which some want to use to justify tithing. Our Christian faith is founded on foundation of apostles, prophets ,JESUS CHRIST Himself being the Apostle and Corner Stone of our faith,Hebrew3:1. Leviticus priesthood under the law is totally left out. In the same Spirit Paul referred law as was our and not law is our school master. To justify oneself us paying tithes under the law one has to give tithes to all saved Christians in the Church for we are loyal priests in Christ Jesus presenting our bodies as living sacrifice. But God does not have pleasure for Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings for sin neither had pleasure therein, which are offered under the law. Hebrew10:8. Pastors and priests have done away with offering ,sacrifices and burnt offerings for sins under the law and have been left comfortably with offering offered under law cunningly concealed in good words and fair deceptive eloquent speeches. Romans 16:17-19 A fountain cannot produce sweet and bitter water the same time. James 3:8-18. We Christian are saved by GRACE IN CHRIST LOVE(Spiritual Law) for we cannot be subjected to law of sin and death crucified and done away by Christ on cross of Calvary. We are subjected to spiritual law of life in Christ Jesus and ought to have the spiritual understanding of the Word of God in liberty without corrupting the Word of God. Roman 8:1-2, Colossians 1:9-10. As God has blessed us in common inheritance of the saints, we should give sacrificially as we have purposed in our hearts in liberty and in love, Galatians 5:1, 2Corinthians 9;6-7, Galatians 6:6-7, Hebrew6:6-12,Hebrew13:11-16. Christ taught spiritual giving to God and to our parents, Luke 6:8 ,Matthew15:5-9. Paul also taught the same .2Corinthians 9:6-14, Philippians 2:4-5. Aaron was given unto Moses, the Levite tribe was given unto Aaron, the eleven tribes of Israel were given unto Levite tribe to serve them but we Christians are purchased through the blood of Christ we are no man servants but servants of Christ 1Corinthians 7:21-2 , Numbers 3:9-15. Those under the law are under curse and the law kills 2Corinthians 3:6. Are they telling Christians curses under law are blessings for them or they have powers to remove curses when Christians tithe to them? They have directed Christians to deceptive ways of curses for their own benefits and not blessings. The bounty of terror of deceptive covetousness is professionally tactically presented as blessing based on salvation under yard stick of tithes. Apostles of CHRIT did not use concealed deceptive covetousness to preach the gospel 1Thessalonians2:3-6.We should renounce hidden things of dishonesty and not walk craftily handling the Word of God deceitfully 2Corithians 4:1-2. The body of CHRIST has been subjected to doctrinal mess by Levites priests and pastors. In willful deception by calling themselves the Levites of today who persecuted Christians and plunder Christians pockets today they are able to demand to be given tithes. Levites priests and elders never gave a helping hand to Christians. Christ did not leave His Church under Leviticus Priesthood. When we take the Word of God out of its content and contest ,we have contempt for the Word of God. He (GOD)who brought tithing under the old Covenant took it away in His(CHRIST) rights in the new Covenant.
We can preach the Word of God quoting scriptures like the devil when he tested Jesus or quote the scriptures like CHRIST when He answered satan in time of need. Matthew 4:1-11 We can teach doctrine of men instead of doctrines of God. We can have a zeal of faith and establish our own righteousness not according righteousness of God in the knowledge of his Word. Roman 10:1-4. Pastors and priests calling themselves Levites of today have capitalized on low level Christian doctrinal knowledge teachings among Christians. Tithing contradict the doctrine of salvation. Mathew15:5-9. We can preach the Word of God making the Church a house of merchandise to make merchandise of Christians and those who do so whose God is their belly which made Adam and Eve to fail in their relationship with God .If the trade was not profitable to them then it would have come to an end but it is a lucrative profitable business base on arithmetic of numbers cunningly preserved with tactical appreciations to the body of Christ and spreading of the Gospel. Are elect Christians deceived? Romans 16:17 -19 ,2 Peter 2:1-3, John 2:16, Philppians3:17-19. We can preach Christ out of envy, strife or of good will. Philippians 1:15-17,2Corinthians4:1-2. It is the body of Christ the Church which is sent to preach to the world also as individuals brethren bearing the burden to preach to the world as Apostles of Christ did. The responsibility has not been on shoulders of priests and pastors only. Brethren are the loyal priests and ambassadors of Christ and has committed unto us the word of reconciliation, 2 Corinthians :19-20.
Tithing is a hard topic to teach without spiritual understanding since we have many high profile elite preachers teaching on the same with books written of great hoped promises and condemnation on the same for those who do not tithe, Ephesians 5:6-7, Thessalonians 2:3-4. Some well educated Christians in deceptive manner do teaching on tithes which is warmly appreciated from the pulpit. They become the magnetizing force with alluring great hoped blessed promises of wealth .Pharisees and the Scribes were most well educated and Jesus said woe unto them seven times for being stumbling blocks in faith. Mathew 23:9-39. We only need to rightly divide the Word of God and know whether we are Christians seeking salvation under the law or we are Christians saved by grace in Christ through the Spiritual law of love, Corinthians 1:12-16,2 Timothy 2:15 . We redeemed sons of God who are made Kings and priests unto God have a common inheritance in Christ Jesus, Galatians 4:4-5, Colssians1:9-14 ,1Corinthians 2:12-16. Revelation 1;4-6 . We are called spiritual sons of God after salvation not before in fallen state and who are enabled to do the righteousness that was in the law but we are not under the law. The same priests and pastors wreck the spiritual scriptures when they teach fallen Angles are called sons of God who married daughters of men giving offspring of giants , Genesis 6:1-8. God says he has never called any angles his son, Hebrew 1:4-5.When were fallen angles redeemed and sanctified to be called sons? The ownership of increased daughters is unto men before being referred to as sons of God and the lust to polygamous marriage was with men. Are beautiful daughters born today for men? Shall we have another episode of fallen angles marrying daughters of men before the close of age? Many have taught the Word of God outside Biblical doctrines so many are deceived in their teaching and preaching which condemn God as unjust since no judgment is passed to angles they refer to as sons of God. When men dropped further from grace when they practiced polygamous marriage and their life span was reduced to one hundred and twenty years , no judgment is passed to purposed angles they teach us sons of God. The sons of God were men who had done reconciliation to God the same way Abel had done and was accepted by God. The judgment is specifically to mankind and giants born in sin of polygamous marriage do not qualify the sons of God to be angles. Angles are ministering spirits with no reproductive empowerment, Matthew 22:29-32, Hebrew 1:14-14. Our relationship to God our Father is in love in our loyal priesthood to the world. Roman 8:14-17. Only those who are not sincere mix teaching under carnal law and spiritual teaching enlightenment under spiritual law . The devil uses the nobles, evil and false witness to do his will according to circumstances, Acts 13;50-51 Acts 6: 9-14. Christians must remain wise and not be cheated by devils workers transforming themselves as angles of light which corrupt the Word of God, 2Corinthians2:17, 2Corinthians11: 13-15. Levites Pastor, Priests and some Christians misquote Jesus Christ on judgment. Judge not that you may be not judged . Matthew7:1-5. They say God prohibit judgment which is not true since it is based on taking the scripture out of content and contest on understanding Jesus statement. It has given them a highway of teaching lies without being questioned. They have separated themselves from the body of Christ to ideal entity who cannot be censured. Shall you close your eyes to evils committed that they may not judge you. Do you buy yourself freedom from being judged for not condemning evil or commenting on anything positive or negative. The preaching of the Word of God is based on judgment on sins and righteousness . God requires from us righteous judgment in wisdom and in love which condemn sins which leads man to repentant of sins and redemption. The Word of God in its content and contest states judgment on sins and righteousness. All living beings and organic life are in constant judgment for existent. If we can stop all processes of judgments life will come to a standstill and ultimate death with final judgment of decay. Life and all creation were established in good judgment by God and close of age shall end in judgment to eternal life or eternal death which is eternal life of suffering and separation from God. Genesis 1:1-31, Genesis 2:1-25. Even our bodies judge us out of energy and we hunger for food and thirst for water. All witty discoveries are results of acknowledgment of positive judgments on active well coordinated principals. Christians are encouraged to solve cases in judgment among themselves. 1Corinthians 6:1-7,The Bible encourage us that our love may abound yet more in knowledge and in all Judgment and we judge ourselves dead in Christ, 2 Corinthians5:14 ,Philippians 1:9-12. Life is in active constant judgments and the creation mourns for final judgment which it shall be subjected by God. We relate in evaluation to all things in judgment. What we known and do not know is based on judgment. What we believe right or wrong is based on judgment. Irrespective of any judgment delivered on us we should delivers the Heavenly Kingdom judgment to sins . We saved Christians are counted and judged worthy to suffer tribulations together with Christ when we live Christian life in love ,Revelation Chapter1,2and3. We thus judge ourselves dead in Christ.
There are may be those who preach tithing to saved Christians for lack of spiritual understanding. We should girdle up the loins of our minds as the knowledgeable wise sharers of the Word of God . 1Peter :13-15.Roman 10:1-4. We shall not be cornered and be cheated. God bless us in abundant grace of spiritual revelation and spiritual understanding of His Holy Word, Colssians1:9-14, Ephesians 5:6 -7,1Thessalonians 2:3-6, 2Timothy2:15, 2Timothy 2:24-26 . Amen
I am happy and blessed to interact with you on spiritual teachings. Hope we shall search more scriptures for our spiritual growth . Yearning to receive your input on the topic .God bless you.
The message is freely given
purely to the body of JESUS CHRIST worldwide.
By Br. Robert Munyui Kamunyu

Amen. This is true. However, tithing was commanded under the law. The tithe was for many reasons such as maintaining the temple, the poor, orphans, widows, the Levites, and believers feasting. We are covered by the blood of Jesus now. Tithing is not in any scriptures relating to the gentiles. The church today misuse the previous law on tithing to profit, not prophet. I have been faithful to paying tithes because tithing is not required but the choice of a giver. God knows out hearts, and He will reward the giver, for God loves a cheerful GIVER! Notice, Giver, not law abiding. I pray for these preachers today, they are actually robbing God. How, they are misusing the scriptures, putting guilt on people and robbing them. If you rob Gods people, you rob God in essence. Regardless, many will blindly stand by their money hungry pastord because they lack insight in truly studying the word for themselves. We are all teachers, thats why we must study to show ourselves approved. Not give money to be approved.

I could not take it anymore….Sunday after Sunday being cursed from the pulpit because of tithes, when in fact they are the ones cursed. 😦
Then resorting to manipulation to get us to pay tithes, I was told I won’t be allowed to dance for the Lord anymore if we don’t tithe. Yet before this new rule adulterers and fornicators were allowed to dance for our Holy God. 😥 Hypocrites!
The scales fell from my eyes, I thought the sun set when they sat down. Thank you Lord Jesus for opening my eyes.
Same thing as someone else mentioned in their reply….selling things in the foyer just as you enter the sanctuary. The poor in need were turned away because they had nothing to give them. Yet more and more microphones and sound equipment were bought.
JESUS did not need microphones when addressing the multitudes!
The pastor’s vision was a mega church etc. The church was worldly. Hip hop being brought in to bring in more youth. No reverent fear of the Lord.
Money money money and those who tithe were treated special. Also, we had to promise we would faithfully tithe to become members. In the beginning before God showed me the truth, we agreed!!
They had no power through the Holy Spirit! Holy Spirit was not really welcome, He would only interfere with their schedule and programs.
We were never taught, equipped. Fornication, homosexuality, adultery etc. was NEVER addressed in the almost 2 years we were there.
False preaching, obsession with false prophets! I do not despise prophecies, but they caused me to be very wary of prophets.
Well again, thank you Jesus for showing me the truth!
Praise the Lord! We left that church, not God or our faith as some say! No! We are even closer now to God than when we were in that congregation.
God bless you and it’s a blessing reading your blog loaded with truth.

I was in a similar church, except it was one step deeper. They used demon power to convince the congregation that they had the power of god, so they could convince everyone that what they taught was true.
praise the lord for his deliverance.

Thank you. Praise the Lord for getting you out Marianne. He sees our hearts, how we hunger for the truth and nothing but the truth.
God gave my husband and I dreams. Some of my dreams warned of witchcraft. We knew God wanted us to leave there. We told them our dreams God gave us about discipline in the Church and wanting us to leave there and they said my dreams could be from the devil!!
They complained that no one was operating in their gifts, but when God gave us dreams they would not listen!
And fake tongues, fake because never any interpretations given.
The false prophets practised divination. The pastor kept inviting false prophets to prophesy over the sheep! Prophecies that never came true. I had enough.
Glory be to God for protecting His sheep who love the truth.

I had some disturbing dreams too, but was told to stay there, because the Lord “had something to show me.”

I did persist and I was horrified at the lies , greed, slander, cheating, heresies etc…and I realized I had to stay to help the victims in the church..finally the church split, and all the nasty ones left, led b y their ahab pastor and jezebel wife.

the Lord had something to teach me, and I had to learn it first hand. once all that evil had burned me, I would never forget what was there

I am trying to read your name in script. It looks like amanda…that is the name of my single mom friend who died of a broken heart after the demons in the church slandered her to her kids, and took her kid away. she died of a broken heart. she was a good woman, but attacked by the church

Yes it is Amanda. Meaning “worthy of love/worthy to be loved”. A Latin name apparently. 🙂
Wow that is so so sad Marianne. 😦 So sorry to hear about your friend.
Thank God those people left the church. Yes, as the Bible says, the wheat will grow together with the tares until the harvest. May the Lord give us more discernment.

You have not been reading your New Testament closely if you claim there is no tithe. Christ said,
Matthew 23:23

“23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.”(KJV)

Notice, two things are mentioned, first paying the tithe, and second “law, judgment, mercy, and faith” (Matthew 23:23 KJV) . He said you should have done the first, but not left the other “undone” which means BOTH needed to be done. The blessings of tithing are many, you cheat yourself if you do not tithe.

Anita, if I may say something…of course Jesus said that to them, they were Jews and still under the law! 😀 Christians give as we are able to give, within our means. We are not to give so much that we suffer from having too little.

“If you are really eager to give, it isn’t important how much you are able to give. God wants you to give what you have, not what you don’t have.
Of course, I don’t mean you should give so much that you suffer from having too little. I only mean that there should be some equality.”
•~2 Corinthians 8:12-13

Why did Paul not once mention to them that they have to give 10% of what they have as it says under the law? NOT ONCE!! He says we should give as we have purposed in our hearts to give. We should give within our means. We should not give in such a way that we then suffer lack. I tell you when I give like that, I experience immense joy! We HAVE to give to others, help others, (first and foremost our Christian brothers and sisters) that is a commandment by Jesus. Jesus said if you love me you will keep my commandments. If someone is thirsty, give him something to drink, if someone is in need of clothing, help them out with clothing or in whatever the need may be, help as you are able to. LOVE FULFILLS THE LAW! 😀

“Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.”
~•Romans 13:10

As for tithing…if you want to keep part of the law you have to keep ALL of the law.

“But those who depend on the law to make them right with God are under his curse, for the Scriptures say, “Cursed is everyone who does not observe and obey all these commands that are written in God’s Book of the
Law.” Consequently, it is clear that no one can ever be right with God by trying to keep the law. For the Scriptures say, “It is through faith that a righteous person has life.”
How different from this way of faith is the way of law, which says, “If you wish to find life by obeying the law, you must obey all of its commands.”
•~Galatians 3:10-12

For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God’s grace.
•~Galatians 5:4

Read what the Gentile believers are told to do in Acts 15…

But some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and told to obey the Law of Moses.”
And God, who knows the thoughts of everyone, showed his approval of the Gentiles by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he had to us.

9 He made no difference between us and them; he forgave their sins because they believed.

10 So then, why do you now want to put God to the test by laying a load on the backs of the believers which neither our ancestors nor we ourselves were able to carry?

11 No! We believe and are saved by the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they are.”
“It is my opinion,” James went on, “that we should not trouble the Gentiles who are turning to God.

20 Instead, we should write a letter telling them not to eat any food that is ritually unclean because it has been offered to idols; to keep themselves from sexual immorality; and not to eat any animal that has been strangled, or any blood.
The Holy Spirit and we have agreed not to put any other burden on you besides these necessary rules:

29 eat no food that has been offered to idols; eat no blood; eat no animal that has been strangled; and keep yourselves from sexual immorality. You will do well if you take care not to do these things. With our best wishes.”

30 The messengers were sent off and went to Antioch, where they gathered the whole group of believers and gave them the letter.

31 When the people read it, they were filled with joy by the message of encouragement.

See there!!!…they were filled with joy! No burden for them! 😀 Jesus said His yoke is easy, His burden is light.
Now please tell me, if 10% was so very important for the New Testament believers and that they will be under a curse if they don’t tithe, then why was it not mentioned in that letter written there in Acts 15?

Are we saved by grace, but still required to give by law? Be free from the law and let the law of love direct you.

Tithing was under and is under the law with a curse for Christians seeking salvation under the law, Galatians 3:3-13, Malachi 3:1-18. When pastors and priest lie by quoting Malachi 3:1-18, under the law IN OLD COVENANT , how many Christians line up to be served with food when tithes and offering under the law are given? Is the storehouse pastors’ and priests’ house or the Church being the body of Christ? Saved Christians by grace IN NEW COVENANT , who are lead by the Holy Spirit are not under law. They are ministers of the new testament born of love with exceeding glory which surpassed the glory that was in law in Moses . We have been redeemed from the curse of the law to adoptions of sons in Royal Priesthood ( Pastors ,Priest and Bishops who are servants of God cannot subject sons of God in Royal Priesthood to tithe taxes- absolute illegal) and are not under the law, Galatians 5:1, Galatians4:4-5,2 Corinthians 3:1-18 . Salvation under the law one attains it at last breath on earth having done all that pertains to the law which is hard for one to accomplish. Even the tithe which was given by Abraham was under the law of sin and death from the fall of Adam and Eve. Those who lie would like to deceive Christians that tithe was before the law but before which law. When Christ was born He was given gifts and not tithes Mathew 2:11-12. Salvation under spiritual law of love by grace is freely given and attained with free miracles from God our Father, Ephesians 2:4 -9, Ephesians 2:13 -20. Under Leviticus priesthood tithes were given for the tribe of Levi and tithe of tithe to the high Priest for they shared no land apart from the walled towns they were allocated to stay in for their continuous sacrifice to God, Numbers 18:20 -29.Widows, strangers ,fatherless and orphans benefited from tithes and offerings given to Levites, Deuteronomy 14:22-29. In Christianity widows were asked to be catered by close brethren to ease burden to the Church. There were also tithes of different kinds in Israel. There was also a tithe where a family had to eat all before the Lord, Deutreronomy12:6-7. In Christ Jesus we are saved by grace to adoptions of sons in Royal Priesthood of Christ and not by works of law ,Galatians 3:8-13,Acts13: 38-39, Galatians 4: 4-5, Galatians2:16-21, Galatians 5:18. Sons have direct access to the Father and free common inheritance not bought or worked for from the father. For servants ( Pastors and Priest) are servants of God worthy all respects and due help . NEW TESTAMENT two priesthood are compared Hebrew7: 7-28, Hebrew8:6 -13, Hebrew 9:6-9, Hebrew 10:8-23. Leviticus priesthood under the law with tithes, death, discontinuity and its acceptance under glory of law without the great commission was done away in Christ and the holy priesthood of Christ without tithes, death and discontinuity with exceeding glory under which Christians are in salvation being a Holy nation and Loyal Priests to preach to the world GOD being their Father in new covenant ministry. Jesus Christ fulfilled the requirements of the law which no one fulfilled before Him and no one will fulfill after Him and became Lord over law in the old covenant by crucifying the law on the cross of Calvary. Tithing weakens the Royal Priesthood of Christians in Christ where Christians are supposed to give themselves as living sacrifice in the mission vision fields. The Christians Royal Priesthood in Christ Jesus is internally weekend from within ,fought and economically drained mostly for indoors ministries under revival of Leviticus priesthood by pastors. The Royal Priesthood is internally spiritually emaciated and trodden upon.2 Corinthians2:1-13, 2Peter 2:5-9. Priesthood involves sacrifices. The priesthood was changed from the old covenant( Leviticus Priesthood) to the new covenant (Loyal Priesthood of labor in Christ without tithes allocations which is not appreciated) and the law governing it was changed. Jesus Christ told Peter look after his lambs and later to look after His sheep ( service) in clear shift from Leviticus priesthood John 21:15-17. Under Leviticus priesthood an animal for sacrifice was alive between the alter of sacrifice and the Levite priest holding the sacrificial knife. Sheep remained alive for a period of time only when they were delivered many animals for sacrifice and the alter could not hold them all for sacrifice .We Royal Priests are dead to sin and alive in Christ who live in us being a living sacrifice to God. Levite Pastors and Priest are comfortable with brethren who live like dead sacrifice. Levite priests were to labor to sacrifice and not tendering the flocks. Pastors and Priests who revive the Leviticus priesthood removed by Christ and merge it to the Loyal priesthood of Christ do so for personal gains in mass cheating for self tithes allocations. Leviticus priesthood under law remained hostile to the Ministry of Christ and His disciples who suffered in their hands even after Christ death. Levite priests beat and wanted to kill all disciples of Christ whom they told not to preach in His name. Acts 5:17-42. What pastors are not telling the Church (the bride/sons/ ambassadors /advocate of the word/children) is the reason Christ had in choosing the twelve disciples ( under new covenant in Grace ) and opted not to use the Levite Priests ( in old covenant under law) that were well established and placed had they to be chosen preach to the world. LET PASTORS , BISHOPS AND PRIESTS HONESTLY PURGE THEIR HEARTS AND SPEAK THE TRUTH ON TITHES. CHRIST IS THE END OF THE LAW IN THE OLD COVENANT. The intrigue of doctrinal falsehood on tithes smartly engineered and flamboyantly taught by them worldwide cannot be justified or be cleansed by their religious social status. Christians should not be for entertainments but for truth preached and taught which is not in contest in numerical strength for acceptance. Let Bishops ,Pastors, Priests and Church Elders handle the Church of Christ within Christians doctrines established by Our Lord Jesus Christ and His Apostles in the mission field vision. CHRISTIANS MUST FACE AND ADDRESS THE MASS SWEEPING AND SOOTHING FALSEHOOD TAUGHT BY SOME WELL EDUCATED ELITE CHRISTIANS ABOUT TITHES IN A SOBER SPIRITUAL REALITY FACE OUT. This is real unexpected falsehood from those held dearly in trust by many Christian. The situation becomes more murky and tricky when church elders are accomplished in the classic falsehood which puts the church into mental slavery. The Royal Priesthood in grace is quite different from Leviticus Priesthood under the law. Leviticus Priesthood in the old covenant belonged to the Levite tribe among the eleven tribes in Israel but the Royal Priesthood in the new covenant under oppression and suppression belongs to all brethren in the world in Christ Jesus ( the Church / the body of Christ) who are commissioned to preach to the world. The Royal Priesthood is well placed to reach the world more effectively at close quarters in Christ love and glory expected. It is quite unfortunate that Christians unknowingly are victims of systematic unmarked high professional intellectual falsehood commercialization cover up in tithes teaching by learned Christians brethren which is a disservice to the (church) body of Christ. But Christians have been warned not to be fools since for some preaching and teaching falsehood is an act energetically engaged smartly and Christians are smartly conned .Ephesians 5:15-16. Tithing under law impoverish the Royal Priesthood of Christ physically and spiritually which make the Great commission less effective. When all saved Christians are in Royal Priesthood, to whom do you tithe to in the in new covenant? The Royal Priesthood needs to take its place in Christian missions empowered in New Covenant for Christians to work in glory of Christ love intended for the body of Christ.
A fountain cannot produce sweet and bitter water the same time. James 3:8-18. We Christian are saved by GRACE IN CHRIST LOVE(Spiritual Law) for we cannot be subjected to law of sin and death crucified and done away by Christ on cross of Calvary. Jesus Christ comment on tithes was under law in old covenant that end in Grace through His blood indeath on the cross of Calvary. We are subjected to spiritual law of life in Christ Jesus and ought to have the spiritual understanding of the Word of God in liberty without corrupting the Word of God. Roman 8:1-2, Colossians 1:9-10. As God has blessed us in common inheritance of the saints, we should give sacrificially as we have purposed in our hearts in liberty and in love, Galatians 5:1, 2Corinthians 9;6-7, Galatians 6:6-7, Hebrew6:6-12,Hebrew13:11-16. Christ taught spiritual giving to God and to our parents, Luke 6:8 ,Matthew15:5-9. Paul also taught the same .2Corinthians 9:6-14, Philippians 2:4-5. Aaron was given unto Moses, the Levite tribe was given unto Aaron, the eleven tribes of Israel were given unto Levite tribe to serve them but we Christians are purchased through the blood of Christ we are no man servants but servants of Christ 1Corinthians 7:21-2 , God is our father and our readily help in times of needs and not men. We are warned not to call any man our father in the spirit. Mathew23:9. Some have made men their fathers and call them fathers turning them their gods on earth. Numbers 3:9-15. No servant can hinder children access to the Father and His blessed inheritance. Are pastors, priest and Bishops in the Royal Priesthood of Christ or are in the Leviticus priesthood? Who coordinate pastors only to work for Christ for a living. Apostles of Christ worked with their hands for a living and for preaching the Gospel of Christ. All saved Christians are servants of Christ in the Royal Priesthood of Christ. Do we make the spiritual understanding between the Leviticus Priesthood under the law and the Royal Priesthood in grace in the New Covenant or do we mix the two distinctive priesthoods cunningly for selfish gain to eliminate the so called clergy poverty and mess up with the doctrine of salvation in Grace? Christ gave some apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and some teachers for the perfecting of saint in the work of the ministry for edifying the( church) body of Christ so us not to be deceived Ephesians4:11-19. Who set aside and allocated poverty and tithes to the pastors in preaching the Gospel of Christ since those who preach the Gospel (Christians/Royal priests) shall live by the Gospel or who bear the burden of mercy for the clergy to teach and preach falsehood on tithes for them not to be poor? When did they become pastors in poverty for the church to eliminate their poverty? Christians should share their wealth with the clergy but not in law. We are saved in Grace in Christ love and our sharing should be in love. We saved Christians are not justified by the law. Galatians 2:21. We saved Christians are servants of Christ Jesus in the Royal Priesthood of the saints. Why do many talk about key poverty of pastors on tithes among the five fold ministry? Where is their care and concerns for the other four ministries? Should the pastors ministry overshadow other ministries? All ministries should work as one body in the body of Christ. Foot soldiers who support falsehood on tithes preaching and teaching are calling Christians who do not support tithing to ask for forgiveness. Christians bear no apology to no one for preaching and teaching the truth . Only those who preach and teach falsehood are hurt by the truth. Christians should not be coaxed by threats hedged in non doctrinal falsehoods promises taught in personal ego gains. With God, the means justify the end in Christ. Christians should not be hoodwinked by groaning delivery of falsehood and the glory associated with the fruits of falsehood. As we speak on the falsehood on the doctrine of tithing for Christians, we have not closed our eyes to the needs of the Church nor have buried our heads in the sand devoid of understanding of our emotions to face the truth. We are aware we offend angrily some for standing with our God concerning tithes without apology to consult them . We stand for truth aware of forces against the truth within the Church and outside the Church. We do not justify falsehoods which meet the needs for the Church. In God, the means justify the end in Christ. We are accused of pointing fingers to the clergy who teach falsehood .But we are all in the body of Christ in the Royal Priesthood and not part of the body point a finger to the other parts. All body parts coordinate in functions taking care for the whole body .We are only calling the clergy to operate spiritually up right taking care of them by pin pointing falsehood. .If one is stuck in sticky clay of falsehood, us a Christian one has to owner up and warm up to the truth and shape up to be free in did. We are fully aware of glorious unstable spiritual empires built by men through falsehood under threat from the truth. If the false spiritual empires fall apart there is no loss for Christians to worry about. Jesus Christ remains the cornerstone of our faith in God.
Those under the law are under curse and the law kills 2 Corinthians 3:6. Those lead by the Spirit are not under law and curses Galatians5: 6, Galatians 3:8-13. Christians are redeemed from the curse of the law to adoption of sons .Galatians4:4- 5. Are they telling Christians curses under law are blessings for them or they have powers to remove curses when Christians tithe to them? Christians must remain spiritually alert and be not be spiritually blind, They have directed Christians to deceptive ways of curses for their own benefits and not blessings. The bounty of terror of deceptive covetousness is professionally tactically presented as blessing based on salvation under yard stick of tithes. Many pastors have illegally allocated all tithes to themselves. Tithes were for specifics needs under old covenant for specific people help. Apostles of CHRIST did not use concealed deceptive covetousness to preach the Gospel .1Thessalonians2:3-6.We should renounce hidden things of dishonesty and not walk craftily handling the Word of God deceitfully 2Corithians 4:1-2. The body of CHRIST has been subjected to doctrinal mess by Levite priests and Levite pastors. TITHE IS A PURE CLASIC SLEEK DOCTRINAL FALSEHOOD FOR CHRISTIANS CULTIVATED IN UNMATCHED PERSONAL CONCEALED ZEAL BY PASTORS IN LEADERSHIP FOR PERSONAL INTERESTS AND GAINS WHO UNDERSTAND UNIVERSALLY ON TITHES AND SALVATION AND FAIL TO APPRECIATE THE TIME OF LAW AND THE TIME OF GRACE DISPENSATION. In willful deception by calling themselves the Levites of today who persecuted Christians and plunder Christians pockets today they are able to demand to be given tithes. Levites priests and elders never gave a helping hand to Christians. Christ did not leave His Church under Leviticus Priesthood. Leviticus Priesthood is forced on the throats of Christians by pastors for perfectly concealed selfish interests and gains. Do they want to tell us that Christ and Apostles of Christ forgot to ask for tithes during the formative Christian Ministry stage. When we take the Word of God out of its content and contest ,we have contempt for the Word of God. He (GOD)who brought tithing under the old Covenant took it away in His(CHRIST) own rights in the new Covenant.
We can preach the Word of God quoting scriptures like the devil when he tested Jesus or quote the scriptures like CHRIST when He answered satan in time of need. Matthew 4:1-11 . Jesus Christ taught men can teach commandments of men for doctrines. Mathew15:5-9. This addressed falsehood which can come from those in authority in the Church ( bishops, pastors, priest and elders) leadership. We can have a zeal of faith and commitment to establish our own righteousness not according to righteousness of God in the knowledge of his Word. Roman 10:1-4. Pastors and priests calling themselves Levites today have capitalized on low level Christian doctrinal knowledge teachings among Christians. Tithing contradict the doctrine of salvation in GRACE and deprive the Christians in Loyal Priesthood in Christ Jesus the individual empowerment to do the Great Commission. When we are loyal Priests to whom do we tithe to? Is it not even if it were in Natural world for servants to tithe to Loyal Priests? Pastors Priest and Bishops are also in the Loyal Priesthood of Jesus Christ all of us being sons and servants composing the body of Christ unless they exclude themselves. The underlying mystery is to deliver the Church of Christ in concealed form to Leviticus Priesthood for Priests ,Pastor and Bishops to enable them get tithes. Mathew15:5-9. We can preach the Word of God making the Church a house of merchandise to make merchandise of Christians and those who do so whose God is their belly which made Adam and Eve to fail in their relationship with God .It is a lucrative profitable business based on arithmetic of numbers cunningly preserved with tactical appreciations to the body of Christ and spreading of the Gospel. Are elect Christians deceived out of their wits? Romans 16:17 -19 ,2 Peter 2:1-3, John 2:16, Philppians3:17-19. We can preach Christ out of envy, strife or of good will. Philippians 1:15-17,2Corinthians4:1-2. It is the body of Christ the Church which is sent to preach to the world also as individuals brethren bearing the burden to preach to the world as Apostles of Christ did. The responsibility has not been on shoulders of priests and pastors only. Brethren are the loyal priests and ambassadors of Christ and has committed unto us the Church the word of reconciliation, 2 Corinthians :19-20. THERE WERE NO FENCE SITTINGS AND ARE NO FENCE SITTINGS IN THE NEW COVENANT MINISTRY MEDIATED BY OUR APOSTLE AND THE HIGH PRIEST OF OUR FAITH LORD JESUS CHRIST. Apostles labored with their hand to provide for preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ and Christians offerings they received were not tithes. No one is specially chosen to be at receiving end of tithes so as to preach the Gospel of Christ. We saved Christians are the Loyal Priests AND Ambassadors of Christ.2 Peter 2:1-9, 2 Corinthians5:14-20. The preaching of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is not sorely in the hands of clergy. It is in the hands of the (Church) believers.
Tithing is a hard topic to teach without spiritual understanding since we have many high profile elite preachers teaching on the same with books written of great hoped promises and condemnation on the same for those who do not tithe, Ephesians 5:6-7, 1Thessalonians 2:3-4. Some well educated elite Christians are involved in deceptive teaching on tithes which is warmly appreciated from the pulpit. They are the magnetizing force with alluring great hoped blessed promises of wealth based on tithes. When will it dawn on them that they teach doctrine of men a false doctrine on tithes for Christians saved by grace. On moving from one church to the church or by taking a flight from one continent to another continent on falsehood mission, lies taught on tithes by them cannot be justified by the sacrificial cost incurred to do so. Only when they uphold the truth and uplift Christ as they decrease and Christians stop earthly social status cult adoration in respect of human beings will truth prevails’. Pharisees and the Scribes were most well educated and Jesus said woe unto them seven times for being stumbling blocks in faith. Mathew 23:9-39. We only need to rightly divide the Word of God and know whether we are Christians seeking salvation under the law or we are Christians saved by grace in Christ through the Spiritual law of love, Corinthians 1:12-16,2 Timothy 2:15 . We redeemed sons of God who are made Kings and priests unto God have a common inheritance in Christ Jesus, Galatians 4:4-5, Colssians1:9-14 ,1Corinthians 2:12-16. Revelation 1;4-6 .Let well educated brethren teach the Word of God the same way as learned Doctor Luke and Br. Paul did for spiritual growth of the body of Christ. Let well educated Christians stand for justice like Dr . Gamaliel who was a doctor of law who in his response rescued the apostles from eminent death in the hands of Levite priests. We are called spiritual sons of God after salvation not before in fallen state and who are enabled to do the righteousness that was in the law but we are not under the law. The same priests and pastors wreck the spiritual scriptures when they teach fallen Angles are called sons of God who married daughters of men giving offspring of giants , Genesis 6:1-8. God says he has never called any angles his son, Hebrew 1:4-5.When were fallen angles redeemed and sanctified to be called sons? The ownership of increased daughters is unto men before being referred to as sons of God and the lust to polygamous marriage was with men. Are beautiful daughters born today for men? Shall we have another episode of fallen angles marrying daughters of men before the close of age? Many have taught the Word of God outside Biblical doctrines so many are deceived in their teaching and preaching which condemn God as unjust since no judgment is passed to angles they refer to as sons of God. When men dropped further from grace when they practiced polygamous marriage and their life span was reduced to one hundred and twenty years , no judgment is passed to purposed angles they teach us sons of God. The sons of God were men who had done reconciliation to God the same way Abel had done and was accepted by God. The judgment is specifically to mankind and giants born in sin of polygamous marriage do not qualify the sons of God to be angles. Angles are ministering spirits with no reproductive empowerment, Matthew 22:29-32, Hebrew 1:14-14.
Our relationship to God our Father is in love in our loyal priesthood to the world. Roman 8:14-17. Only those who are not sincere mix teaching under carnal law and spiritual teaching enlightenment under spiritual law. When we study the old covenant it should help us get rooted deeply in the new covenant. The devil uses the nobles, evil and false witness to do his will according to circumstances, Acts 13;50-51 Acts 6: 9-14. Christians must remain wise and not be cheated by devils workers transforming themselves as angles of light which corrupt the Word of God, 2Corinthians2:17, 2Corinthians11: 13-15. Levites Pastor, Priests and some Christians misquote Jesus Christ on judgment. Judge not that you may be not judged . Matthew7:1-5. They say God prohibit judgment which is not true since it is based on taking the scripture out of content and contest on understanding Jesus statement. It has given them a highway of teaching lies without being questioned. They have separated themselves from the body of Christ to ideal entity who cannot be censured. Shall you close your eyes to evils committed that they may not judge you. Do you buy yourself freedom from being judged for not condemning evil or commenting on anything positive or negative. The preaching of the Word of God is based on judgment on sins and righteousness . God requires from us righteous judgment in wisdom and in love which condemn sins which leads man to repentant of sins and redemption. The Word of God in its content and contest states judgment on sins and righteousness. All living beings and organic life are in constant judgment for existent. If we can stop all processes of judgments life will come to a standstill and ultimate death with final judgment of decay. Life and all creation were established in good judgment by God and close of age shall end in judgment to eternal life or eternal death which is eternal life of suffering and separation from God. Genesis 1:1-31, Genesis 2:1-25. Even our bodies judge us out of energy and we hunger for food and thirst for water. All witty discoveries are results of acknowledgment of positive judgments on active well coordinated principals. Christians are encouraged to solve cases in judgment among themselves. 1Corinthians 6:1-7,The Bible encourage us that our love may abound yet more in knowledge and in all Judgment and we judge ourselves dead in Christ, 2 Corinthians5:14 ,Philippians 1:9-12. Life is in active constant judgments and the creation mourns for final judgment which it shall be subjected by God. We relate in evaluation to all things in judgment. What we known and do not know is based on judgment. What we believe right or wrong is based on judgment. Irrespective of any judgment delivered on us we should delivers the Heavenly Kingdom judgment to sins . We saved Christians are counted and judged worthy to suffer tribulations together with Christ when we live Christian life in love ,Revelation Chapter1,2 and3. We thus judge ourselves dead in Christ.
There are may be those who preach tithing to saved Christians for lack of spiritual understanding. We should girdle up the loins of our minds as the knowledgeable wise sharers of the Word of God . 1Peter :13-15.Roman 10:1-4. We shall be off the hook of being soothed ,cornered, and been cheated on doctrinal issue in Christianity. God bless us in abundant grace of spiritual revelation and spiritual understanding of His Holy Word, Colssians1:9-14, Ephesians 5:6 -7,1Thessalonians 2:3-6, 2Timothy2:15, 2Timothy 2:24-26 . Amen
I am happy and blessed to interact with you on spiritual teachings. Hope we shall search more scriptures for our spiritual growth . Yearning to receive your input on the topic .God bless you.
The message is freely given
purely to the body of JESUS CHRIST worldwide.
By Br. Robert Munyui Kamunyu

My belive is that the tithe is made for d less privilage, d widows and d liveith not pastors who hav properties every were . I am in line with what u said d poor shlod not give tiths , there are no liviths in today churchs all hav houses in there fathers land so God can not cause any one b/c no body is following d rules according to the bible

So what is a hungry lonely believer to do when she is longing for fellowship and all the wonderful embracing that comes with being a member of the body of Christ?…I long to worship, evangelize and aid the poor and i long to do it without compromising the gospel and the way the church ought to be performing and demonstrating the love of Christ to the world…I have arrived at a place about ministers and their continued desire to build build build, build what? build their kingdoms on this earth while witnessing oppression and adversity from within the body, me being a target of the attacks, all bc i had the wherewithall to study the scripture and seek out wonderful teachings as yours Marianne….There is absolutely no church in my area that is not operating in apostate…I cringe…I have visited the majority and when the arrival of the truth comes and i speak, i never hear from anyone anymore…What’s more, I have gone thru numerous seasons of need…I battled cancer, lost my fiance in that process and learned much about him, lost my ability to work and thru it all, the church has never showed any real concern, unless I am a loyal member and tither…I feel this is such a disgrace and am shocked I ever bought into it before God gave me a hunger for the truth…I’ve had to leave bros and sis’s behind bc of it…and have been called antichrist, traitor, false christian, false teacher and so on. I am lonely, isolated, untrusting and feel utterly unproductive for the Lord…can’t they see that this is what is happening to those that “come out of her”? no, bc all they see is their money dwindling away and seats not being filled…they are blind to souls suffering in silence!

dear marianne, thank you for your kind words…even after the split from my fiance, God did not leave me nor abandon me or to have me to carry this burden alone..miraculously, God provided my every need and thru this experience, i became born-again (truly saved)…but there were some that did abandon me (family, friends), not surprisingly as scripture does reveal (we shouldn’t be shocked) but nevertheless, I was…when i first got sick there were some who assisted but it was conditional that i obey their man-made rules which goes without saying, i could not continue keeping up with this act…especially after i began to be learned by God’s word and Holy Spirit’s counsel…I have missed the closeness of these bro’s and sis’s but it seemed more dutiful then love driven…and in the process, God opened my eyes to the truth…that with man you can do nothing but with God anything is possible, thru His son Jesus Christ…who said, it is finished! thank you again for your kind and warm words…

It’s always a ‘double-edged’ sword in today’s post-modern Christianity. Your da**ed if you do and da**ed if you don’t.

You cannot sign up for membership in a church as a true believer because there is no such dictate in the New Covenant. We are the church, living stones and we are not a building made by human hands. Nor do we have to participate in programs that operate contrary to Acts. In Acts believers met in homes and they freely attended. Their was no government involvement, banks and government tax status.

Where are the storehouses intended for all the attendee’s and why doesn’t everyone have the opportunity to preach, lead worship, and teach without elevation. The focus in the early church was on God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. But today there are so many distractions, building funds, salaries, and various programs all driven by the need for more and more funding. If the church was truly doing it’s job there would be no need for welfare programs offered by the US Government.

Churches in America do not minister to the lost and dying world, they stay indoors and minister one to another. That’s not even close to what God intended for his Body. If church is held organically in homes then by default the need for celebrity status, large salaries and numerous distractions would not even exist. The simple concept is to keep it close to home in order to prevent the profiteering and marketing of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Our job is to focus on equipping the saints then sending them out into the world two by two to witness the gospel.

Somewhere between Acts and 2015 we have corporations, businesses and pastors creating followers instead of raising up leaders. God is going to shut the church down soon and the way this will be done is to remove the finances from everyone. A major financial collapse along with continual governmental encroachment on our freedoms will force the church underground like we see in so many third world countries. Over seas people are giving their heads for the gospel but American Churches want their blessings and have turned the house of God into a ‘den of thieves.’ Woe be it to the pastors who mislead the sheep, it would be better a millstone be hung a round your necks and you be thrown into the depths of the sea.

We are messengers not marketeers or business men. Everyone should have a job according to their individual skill sets and paying a pastor or pastors should never have happened. We are all liken to high priests under a new and better covenant. A royal priesthood and a chosen generation.

Acts was an organically based/founded church, held in people’ homes. Everyone participated not just the unscriptural pastoral, one-man band. Pastors are not suppose to derive their income from tithing or giving but most of the churches in America are all saddled with bank notes, government non-tax status and are not operating scripturally. The double edged sword comes into play when the pastors say; you have to be under a pastor but then they offer you a totally unscriptural solution.

Here is the rub folks. Originally everything mentioned in Acts concerning pastors, deacons, elder’s and the like was exactly how God planned it. But today, pastors demand these same principle’s/ruels be applied only they want it to occur under their newly designed, man-made system of government. True believers are them asked to follow men and not God.

I say, for myself and my house I will only follow the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. I will not follow men especially when they have stepped entirely to the beat of their own drummer. It’s time the church be separated and all those who wish to be called the apostate ones, let them stay inside of churchianity, enslaved to men.

The rest of us have been thrown outside, and exiled from their institutions. So be it.

God has given us pastors to lead the Church. In Hebrews we are taught not to stop the assembly of each other. We are to be organized and under leadership. This idea that everyone is called to be a pastor is unsriptural. If the body was just an eye where would be the hearing. We have different members with different functions that are dependent of each other. This is scriptural. We all have different degrees of grace, faith and functions. In the the book of Revelation God speaks to the Angels of the 7 churches. These angels are pastors.

Scripture teaches us much about “elders”, what you fail to understand is that a “Pastor” is the Head Elder, the Shepherd of the flock, there to give counsel and guidance to the body and the lost.

Paul wrote these words to his young protégé, Timothy, in 1 Timothy 5:17-18: “The elders who are good leaders should be considered worthy of an ample honorarium, especially those who work hard at preaching and teaching. For the Scripture says, ‘Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain and, the worker is worthy of his wages’” (HCSB).

It is unfortunate that the few indulgent pastors who live lavish lifestyles get most of the attention. The reality is that most of the some 400,000 pastors in America are not overpaid; indeed many are underpaid. Those are the pastors who need the support of the church.

Furthermore most pastors in America today are bi-vocational because their work in the church is more service and gift to help the body of Christ, not themselves. The fact is a Pastor is not just pastor 9 to 5, they are on call 7 days a week no matter what time it is. These men do this in order to make disciples out of the lost and weak, those who seek to be in reborn in the image of Christ.

Many of the writers responding seem offended that workers in the Kingdom would seek support but I tend to believe that they are speaking out of selfishness not love. They cry the church should give to the poor… but in honesty, do they. It not time to complain about others, but time to seek God in our own lives. We need to fulfil his will not ours.

@Peter…
i keep hearing about all these pastors who are supposedly “working”…well, in all my 5 yrs of battling cancer alone, i never once had one grace me with their presence…moreover, i gave anonymously to the church bc of the teachings of tithe…how sad a picture is this one that a pastor (mine) would oppress his body to the point of compulsion even in the midst of suffering…yeah, this is a pastor who cares…why so many do not get this simple yet powerful truth especially when we have Jesus, the Apostles, Paul and many others who are living examples of not receiving payment and i cannot imagine one pastor (any i’ve ever met) who was working to the point of these men…you say so glibly that we ought to excuse such a practice which is so apparent how could anyone miss it? there is no reason a pastor should be living in a lavish high society affluent neighborhood while one of his sheep is suffering from cancer, on disability, in need of compassion and never once seeing his face at my door…but aside from my feelings (bc i don’t want to make it about that even tho that is a tragedy), it takes a pretty egotistical, arrogant, selfish and greedy pastor to do such a thing, ignore scripture and turn a blind eye! Josi

there’s one other point i’ve been meaning to note and that is this…there have been many occurrences throughout my life when a crisis has hit that i’ve felt an overwhelming need to be in a sanctuary…but each time i had attempted to go to a church and pray/seek counsel there has been no one in sight and the doors are locked ! If it is true that Pastors are “on call” 24/7, then where are they? when Mary was searching for her son he replied “i was in my father’s house” … so please, let us be honest with ourselves (meaning Pastors)…and most churches have several on board and collecting salaries…so where are you if you are not about doing the Father’s work? Why are the churches “Locked up”…no info posted on the doors?? This must be for members only!….how sad it is!

marianne
i am very disturbed about how the church is conducting itself…i am alone, coping with numerous illness’, finding it hard to get around and get to the store to get food, Dr’s visits, etc…i have contacted numerous churches and bodies of Christ and am awestruck at the seemingly “member’s protocol” required by man-made organizations to anyone seriously reaching out to an outsider…i don’t believe in membership and also in alot of the activities and going’s on inside the church..in my spirit it just seems amiss…i have felt this way for a very long time…i have no one and am one thin’s thread away from crisis….i’m bracing for whatever might be on the horizon with no help in sight…what do pastors think about Christians in this predicament? I am sick with cancer, my rent is nearly $300 dollars, i only make $1000 from my disability.. i know i cannot possibly be the only one..If a Pastor is reading this do you not realize the peril and urgency of the disenfranchised and undesirables? Do you not realize how you have scattered the body of Christ in your greed and egotism?…what is it that the sick, lonely and oppressed children of God suppose to do?? check out this article i found that a former minister wrote about the church….blessings,Josi…http://www.thejournal.org/issues/issue128/things-pastors-preachers-priests-should-never-do.html

In understanding the purpose of the tithe, how then should a church be structured and operate?…Also, how did we get so far off track? If we are not commanded to tithe, then how is a church to run and operated? How have we missed this and what was God’s true intention? I am moving towards agreeing but in reading how God ordered the temple to be run, it appears we do have a structure to go by…how then can we not see how to run it? What is the money’s main purpose and intent and why is this not being properly overseen and exercised…as a rhetorical question, i know God intended his money to be spent his way so why are so many churches disobeying? If the tithing has been dissolved, how then is the church to operate? What is God’s plan? How does God want it to be run and how are our gifts offerings intended to be distributed?

It’s very simple. Does not the Bible teach us that God is the same yesterday, today and forever?

Does God change his mind or is this often what man does in response to God’s Word or his/her own personal interpretation of the scriptures?

Tithing is an Old Covenant principle/dynamic/law that is no longer required because the Levitical Priesthood is no longer in session folks? We are all liken to high priests under a new and better covenant. Members of a royal priesthood and chosen generation. No believer is above his fellow believer or has the right to Lord over his companions?

Read the Book of Acts and you’ll soon discover how Jesus designed a very common, organic house church system that has been entirely circumvented today.

Churches are mostly businesses with Tax Status (501), often carrying bank loans, paying healthy salaries, selling books, tapes and a myriad of other distractions that do not even remotely resemble the original plan at Acts?

We have a pastoral one man band who often dictates and sells his/her own interpretation of how they wish to interpret the Word for their own benefit.

House churches are set up by default so that elevation, celebrity status and turning God’s House in to a ‘den of thieves’ does not happen. We are suppose to be messengers not merchants and we are not suppose to seek to profit, gain notoriety, vie for position or power and vaunt ourselves in place of Christ. Are we honoring Christ’s agenda or are we going our own way? Are we clinging to Jesus like a belt clings to the waste of a man?

Today our churches have become corporations and there are numerous gospels, teachings and every kind of spin that you can think of. Acts prevented this and everyone was able to use their gifting and grow side by side. In this way we would have kept the focus on Jesus Christ and not ourselves. Our churches emulate the world and hence our gospel is luke-warm, disingenuous and ineffective at best. There is only one ‘King Of Kings’ but in today’s post-modern Christianity you would very easily think otherwise. Where are the storehouses as uniquely described in Acts? A place where everyone brings goods and everyone benefits. Not just a select elite few who gain massive wealth while their constituency is often poor, disenfranchised and without basic necessities. This sounds more like a 13th Century King over taxing his common peasants and enjoying the good life while they starve.

It always amazes me how pastors preach faith and grace save when it comes to fiances? Hence the tithe buds forth like poisoned water from a hidden spring? Suddenly they dig back through the remains of Old Covenant remnants (the law) and somehow manage to bring the tithe forward. This is because they need mammon to fund their own ideas and plans. All the while we were only asked to go out two by two and minister love (Jesus) to a lost and dying world. Taking no thought of tomorrow what we would eat or drink? One pair of sandals? What ever happened to the just living by faith alone?

It’s no wonder millions have departed from organized, institutionalized religiosity? There has been a mass exodus of believers who want to return to God’s Ways, not man’s fragmenting the scriptures then building new gospels in His place. Men, hirelings who seek to profit and gain fame and fortune from God’s precious Word.

In closing; churches were meant to be sanctuaries, places of refuge and absolutely free without cost. The only way we can return to Acts is to recognize how God dealt with the Jews, or His first born. When they chose to go their own way we can easily see the generations of pain and suffering they have endured without their covering (Yeshua-Jesus). There is a time that is upon us when those grafted in will endure the same. God/Jesus chastises those whom He loves. Seems the only way we can return to our foundational structuring will be through hardship and suffering?

One only needs to read Matthew Chapter 7 verses 21-13 to realize how serious it is when we change, alter or ignore God’s plan? Jesus is speaking directly to those in the church who are leaders, pastors, healers and it is frightening to think that many of these celebrities, and those who have heaped treasure upon themselves by using His gospel, suddenly He does not recognize their works. Jesus said in the last days, many would come in His name.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Which Jesus do you serve?

The word of faith Jesus, the prosperity Jesus, the Mormon Jesus, the signs and wonders Jesus? You need to know because apparently there is only one Christ who died, was buried and on the third day rose again to judge the living and the dead. There is only one portal or entrance not many. The Bible states that many take the wide road that leads to perdition but few take the high narrow way?

Is not obedience better than sacrifice?

God will not be mocked?

And even though His mercy exceeds His judgement, many on that day will miss the gates of paradise.

Those who are free in Christ are free indeed?

Be free today of following the law, following men who will mislead you and return to His ways and thoughts.

I am a single mom of two children.My husband one day announced he was leaving and four days later was gone.I joined a church.As a matter of fact the first time ever.I had to work two full time jobs for 7years to try to support us.The church told me if you didn’t tithe 10% of your money you were robbing God.Well now my children are grown and with financial aid both graduated from college.I work just one job now.Their are so many funds to give to in our church that I often have given my last dollar to one of them.I fall into the category of under the federal poverty level like about $7000 under it.I had to recently give up going to church because the members and pastor shun me cause I only have at most $60 left after paying rent car insurance and power bill which is sometimes $200 a month in winter cause the power runs nonstop even if only set on 59º.This church has mostly well to do members bringing in $3600 every Sunday.I’m I wrong to leave? I am just not able to afford it.I recently broke my leg and dr. Told me to stay off it for 3months.Not once did I receive a call or visit from anyone in the church.I went back one Sunday and they just stared intently because I didn’t give and didn’t come for 3months.I had no income and the gave me what I had given earlier in the year.Somehow I don’t think I will return at least not there.Other poor people in church have left saying to me this is a rich man’s church.

To So Sad…I’m at an impasse and my story isn’t much different from yours…I yearn to be around Christians who are like-minded, but in my search for a healthy body, I’ve come to realize there are none that exist, at least not on my radar (area where i live)…they are all the same in many ways and it would simply take up too much space to list all the erroneous practices I’ve been confronted with. It is very lonely but I’ve found much more peace to being at home, in the word alone then at any church…I’ve experienced much anxiety being around these type Christians…I’ve faced head on many hardships and illness’ alone bc i cannot and will not conform to these ways and am shunned when i oppose them…I have not had one authentic experience with a Christian who did something just out of genuine love instead of compelled by leaders to do your duty….the entire church system is dramatically flawed…I would love to organize a group where believers can gather and be themselves without oppressive rules and control from the leaders…It’s all about control over the body and their greed to live lavishly on the backs of the sheep while using the name of God…very evil…I am sorry you have been the brunt and object of persecution..

I just have a comment and question. A preacher I know who is very rich with money to throw away does not help when an American Christian asks for help. This preacher owns so much so gold, property and assets I can not even list here. His worth would be compared to the President of the USA. I was 60 years old and very ill and needed money to pay my mortgage to keep from losing my home. I was unable to work and waiting on my Social Security disability. The church sends money to countries all over the world and helps poor people and this is great. When I was too ill to attend church, I wrote a letter and asked for help and explained the situation. I didn’t even have money for food. The preacher wrote me back and said find a good church and pray. That was the coldest response I never expected. It was like he did not even read the letter explaining I could not attend church. And I did not have family and I lived alone with the fear of being homeless old lady. All the while, this preacher is on TV asking for money and if you send $100 you can get a book and CD. This is just one preacher. None of the preachers will help if you ask for help and yet claim they help the poor. What about the poor that live near in the USA? I believe in the Lord, and it was the Lord that intervened that very next night. ( long miracle story) But I have lost my trust in preachers.

Thank you for your kindness and concern. Today I am 70 years old. With a chronic condition. I have survived but it’s been a struggle. Right now I am struggling to pay my property taxes on what’s left of my Social Security. Most my money goes to caring for my dogs I rescued that were so abused. A man threw two min poodles from the trunk of his car. One so skinny with a broken leg and a bump on head. The other so afraid, a dislocated leg from abuse, skinny, and both full of tape worms. But God has always seem to find a way. They are healthy happy doggies now. So dependent and devoted to me. I could never abandon them. I feed and care for them before myself. I struggle to pay $1800 owed on my property taxes, but somehow a door will open. I have learned to just wait for Gods intervention. Heck I’ve made it this far, God must have a plan. The only tithing I can do is give to Gods loving animals. God Bless and thank you for your response.

Tithing was under and is under the law with a curse for Christians seeking salvation under the law, Galatians 3:3-13, Malachi 3:1-18. When pastors and priests lie by quoting Malachi 3:1-18,under the law IN OLD COVENANT, how many Christians line up to be served with food when tithes and offering under the law are given? Is the storehouse pastors’ and priests’ house or the Church being the body of Christ? Saved Christians by grace IN NEW COVENANT who are lead and taught by the Holy Spirit are not under law or in generation curse in the law. Tithes in Malachi 3:1-18 were primarily for the tribe of Levi which was not allocated land for sharing among themselves , Numbers 18:20-28 . Those who simply imply Christians are under curse for not tithing put into question about unfinished work of redemption (SALVATION) by Christ Jesus on cross of Calvary which is bought and maintained continuously in tithes paid to them. Yet Christ is not ashamed to call us brethren whom He has sanctified. Hebrew 2:9-13.We have been redeemed from the curse of the law, Jesus Christ being made a curse for us : for it is written, cursed is everyone that hangs on a tree. Galatians 3:8-13. Christians saved by grace are ministers of the new testament born of love with exceeding glory which surpassed the glory that was in law with Moses. We have been redeemed from the curse of the law to adoptions of sons in Royal Priesthood. Pastors ,Priest and Bishops who are servants of God cannot subject sons of God in Royal Priesthood to tithe taxes which absolutely illegal for we are not under the curse of the law, Galatians 5:1, Galatians4:4-5,2 Corinthians 3:1-18. Sins sacrifices ,offerings under the law, curses, and generation curses under law in the old covenant remained up to death of Jesus Christ on Calvary when He fulfilled the requirements of the law. Salvation under the law one attains it at last breath on earth having done all that pertains to the law which is hard for one to accomplish. Even the tithe which was given by Abraham was under the law of sin and death from the fallen state of Adam and Eve at the garden of Aden. Those who lie would like to deceive Christians that tithe was before the law but before which law. When Christ our High Priest was born He was given gifts and not tithes Mathew 2:11-12. Salvation under spiritual law of love by grace is freely given and attained with free miracles from God our Father, Ephesians 2:4 -9, Ephesians 2:13 -20. Under Leviticus priesthood which belonged to the tribe of Levi, tithes were given to Levites priests for use by the whole tribe of Levi and tithe of tithe to the high Priest for they shared no land apart from the walled towns they were allocated to stay in for their continuous sacrifice to God, Numbers 18:20 -29. Widows, strangers ,fatherless and orphans benefited from tithes and offerings given to Levites, Deuteronomy 14:22-29. In Christianity widows were asked to be catered by close brethren to ease burden to the Church. There were also tithes of different kinds in Israel. There was also a tithe where a family had to eat all before the Lord, Deutreronomy12:6-7. In Christ Jesus we are saved by grace to adoptions of sons in Royal Priesthood of Christ (for Christians)and not by works of law ,Galatians 3:8-13,Acts13: 38-39, Galatians 4: 4-5, Galatians2:16-21, Galatians 5:18. Sons have direct access to the Father and free common inheritance not bought or worked for from the Father. For servants ( Pastors and Priests) are servants of God worthy all respects and due help. Much preaching is done in grace and love to Christians at early stages who are later sleeking entangled and enslaved in fear under the bondage of law in tithes emphatically taught by many in seeking dwindling fortune entrenched in tithes falsehood. The Church of Christ is founded in love by grace and a worker is worthy his labor. The Apostles and disciples of Jesus Christ understood from onset of Christ’s Ministry that they were not under Leviticus Priesthood and had no share in Leviticus Priesthood allotments. Thus questions were raised of their take and benefits in the Royal Priesthood of Jesus Christ Ministry in the New Covenant, Mathew 19:23-30 . Leviticus Priesthood allotments existed before well-known and were already defined in obliged tithing. Christian were never left under leadership of Leviticus Priesthood. Christians are humbly called upon to support tithes sweetened falsehood purposed to enhance good glorious intentions communicated a smart way which form practically some mega success. The essence of Christians righteousness in salvation is more falsely tied to tithes by the clergy and the bar raised daily higher as they become musters of confusion in tithes teaching. Even Judas Iscariot is not recorded asking for tithes. We firmly stand by the truth our mouths being louder and we faint not as we manifest the truth to man’s conscience to God, 2Corinthians 4:1-2.
IN NEW TESTAMENT two priesthood are compared and the need to replace the old covenant expounded. Hebrew7: 7-28, Hebrew8:6 -13, Hebrew 9:6-9, Hebrew 10:8-23. Leviticus priesthood under the law with tithes, death, discontinuity and its acceptance under glory of law without the great commission was done away in Christ and the Holy Priesthood of Christ without tithes, death and discontinuity with exceeding glory under which Christians are in salvation being a Holy nation and Loyal Priests to preach to the world GOD being their Father in New Covenant Ministry. In that He said, a new covenant He has made the first old. Now that which decays and waxed old is ready to vanish away Hebrew8:-13. God related with Adam and Eve in the garden of Aden under command of not eating from tree of knowledge and evil , Abraham related to God in faith when he was called out of Ur. The Israel related to God under law given to Moses under old the Covenant and we saved Christians relate to God under Spiritual law of love by grace in Jesus Christ in New Covenant where we get our salvation. Tithing weakens the Royal Priesthood of Christians in Christ where Christians are supposed to give themselves as living sacrifice in the mission vision fields. The Christians Royal Priesthood in Christ Jesus is internally weekend from within ,fought and economically drained mostly for indoors ministries under revival of Leviticus priesthood by pastors. The Royal Priesthood is internally spiritually emaciated and trodden upon.2 Corinthians2:1-13, 2Peter 2:5-9. Priesthood involves sacrifices and Jesus Christ did not choose Priesthood among the five fold ministry since saved Christians are in the Royal Priesthood and we have been asked to give ourselves as living sacrifice. The priesthood was changed from the old covenant( Leviticus Priesthood) to the new covenant (Loyal Priesthood of labor in Christ without tithes allocations which is not appreciated) and the law governing it was changed. Christ requested His disciples to give the crowd food to eat , Matthew 14:15-16. Jesus Christ told Peter look after his lambs and later to look after His sheep ( service) in clear shift from Leviticus priesthood which does not apply to Christians, John 21:15-17. JESUS CHRIST our High Priest is the mediator of the better New Covenant established upon better promises. Hebrew8:6-8. Under Leviticus priesthood an animal for sacrifice was alive between the alter of sacrifice and the Levite priest holding the sacrificial knife. Sheep remained alive for a period of time only when they were delivered many animals for sacrifice and the altar could not hold them all for sacrifice .We are dead to sin and alive in Christ who live in us being a living sacrifice to God. Christians saved by grace in love of Christ Jesus in Royal Priesthood within the New Covenant cannot be dragged back to curses enslavement in the law in Leviticus Priesthood in Old Covenant. The Royal Priesthood of labor of service in Christ Jesus is loathed by many clergy who opt for Leviticus Priesthood of waiting at the sanctuary for provision given for altar sacrifices. It is only through concealed falsehood that the clergy merge the Leviticus Priesthood under law in old Covenant, with the Royal Priesthood by grace in Christ love liberated in New Covenant. The Royal Priesthood of Jesus Christ bears no self-restrictions or inhibitions in fear of men in preaching and teaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ since it has no people driven demand support pegged on expectations anchored under the law. Christians should give liberally in love as God has blessed us ,2 Corinthians9 :6-7, Galatians 5:1. Galatians6:6-10. Tithes crusader teach well packaged tithes falsehood from the pulpit managed humbly in sheep skins. Christians are increasingly facing common mounted front in tithes falsehood which is demanded by elites clergies as a Christian doctrine in Churches. It is easy for many unsuspecting Christian to take it as the Gospel truth. The remnant few faithful Christians must firmly teach Christian doctrine on giving bearing in mind they stand on highways of interests of elites clergies on tithes falsehood taught with awkward elites church elders support . The humble craving of comfortable falsehood artistically and passionately taught on tithes by the clergy should not make Christians lose focus in Christian giving in love. Bishops, pastors, priests, church elders and those read the OLD TESTAMENT (Covenant ) BLINDED BY THE VEIL that is in law that was done away in Jesus Christ keep Christians in fear under bondage of law and miss the righteousness in liberty sanctified in Jesus Christ. 2Corithians3: 6-18 . Successful prosperity based on falsehood cannot be accepted as blessing in holiness. Truth is easily dismissed but never nullified on tithes falsehood by the clergy. Christians must remain Pentecostal and evangelical in the Royal Priesthood of Jesus Christ without entangling themselves in Leviticus Priesthood bound in bondage of the law.
Levites Pastors and Priests are comfortable and friendly to brethren who live like dead sacrifice with almost free access to tithes. Levites priests were to labor to sacrifice and not tendering the flocks or do any farming ,Numbers 18:20-32 Joshua7:7.They lived in walled towns .Pastors and Priests who revive the Leviticus priesthood removed by Christ for Christians and meticulously merge it to the Loyal Priesthood of Christ do so for personal gains in mass concealed cheating in tithes allocations. The old covenant had amassed personal sought atonement for sins through animals sacrifices but the new covenant has atonement for sins in Christ’s blood. Leviticus priesthood under law remained hostile to the Ministry of Jesus Christ and His disciples who suffered in their hands even after Christ’s death, Mathew 27:12-17. Levite priests beat and wanted to kill all disciples of Christ whom they told not to preach in His name. Acts 5:17-42. Let well educated brethren teach the Word of God the same way as learned Doctor Luke and Br. Paul did for spiritual growth of the body of Christ. Let well educated Christians stand for justice like Dr. Gamaliel who was a doctor of law who in his response rescued the apostles from eminent death in the hands of Levite priests Acts;5:17-42. What pastors are not telling the Church (the bride/sons/ ambassadors /advocate, royal priests, and ministers of the new covenant in the Word/children and servants made friends by His Holy calling) is the reason Jesus Christ had in choosing the twelve disciples ( under new covenant in Grace ) and opted not to use the Levite Priests (in old covenant under law) that were well established and placed had they to be chosen preach to the world. LET PASTORS , BISHOPS AND PRIESTS HONESTLY PURGE THEIR HEARTS AND SPEAK THE TRUTH ON TITHES. CHRIST IS THE END OF THE LAW IN THE OLD COVENANT. The intrigue of doctrinal falsehood on tithes smartly engineered and flamboyantly taught by them worldwide cannot be justified or be cleansed by their religious social status. Christians should not be for entertainments but for truth in Holiness preached and taught which is not in contest in numerical strength for acceptance. It quite clear from the Bible that there is no perfection and justification under works of the law. Galatians 2:16- 21, Galatians 3:8-13,Galatians 4;4-5,Galatians 5:1,18. FOR CHRISTIANS GOD HAS NO PLEASURE FOR SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS AND BURNT OFFERINGS AND OFFERINGS FOR SINS AND FOR WHICH IS OFFERRED UNDER THE LAW. HEBREW 10: 8-9 . THIS SCRIPTURE THEY WOULD WISH IT NEVER EXISTED. Can those who advocate for tithes honestly deny openly that there were sacrifices and offerings under law not acceptable to God for Christians? Tithes advocates call Christians passionately to tithe an illustration of spiritual disconnect to bridge. WHY WOULD THE CLERGY NOT TELL CHRISTIANS TO SACRIFICE FOR THEIR SINS BUT TITHE? Selective preaching and teaching on tithes falsehood cover up still remains. Tithes falsehood taught has remained guarded and guided in shrewd cover up of honored fortune justification hidden in tithes falsehood teaching proliferation. Christians must know the truth to be free and move from being trapped in great justified doctrinal falsehood taught ,Ephesians4:11-14. In law men in old covenant remained the instructors and enforcers of the law. In new covenant the Holy Spirit remains our wonderful teacher and counselor in grace. For sure those who are in bondage of the law have men appreciation at hand but those lead by the Holy Spirit in Liberty within the yoke of Christ in grace have the acceptance of God. Christians should not be held spiritually hostage by unifying falsehoods taught in concealed falsehood out of labor. This would be spiritual blindness and slavery for many Christians hard for some to overcome. Apostles did not teach and preach the Gospel Of Jesus Christ through deceptive greediness but by sound doctrines, 2Peter:1-3. Christians taught for doctrines the commandments of men replace Jesus Christ for men who become their gods (idol worship based on men). They admire them for their earthly great achievements and they testify much of their stardom. Mathew 15: 5-9. There is the church of men where men teach for doctrines commandments of men and Church of Jesus Christ which cannot be swallowed by institutionalized organized falsehood and greed concealed in martyrdom of false knowledge which is not in the True Word of God. Even those workers of iniquity with miracles shall not cheat and defeat the church of Christ since He holds the Church in His holy hands in due time. Matthew15:8-9. The gates of hell shall not prevail over the Church of Jesus Christ. Mathew16:18. The Church of Christ cannot live by glorious commandments instituted by men standards. Christians must break free and be clean from men commandments enslavement. Christians’ true love and care will then freely flourish. Christians should not feel comfortable for being appreciated for accepting and supporting goals of concealed falsehood taught through feigned words in covetousness to make merchandise of us,2 Peter2:1-3. Falsehood clarified and justified in concealed covetousness is hard for many Christians to overcome. Many Christians plunged globally into tithe doctrinal falsehood and held spiritually captive by clergy that are Levites require spiritual rescue and deliverance. The Church must wrestle herself free from shrewd elite spiritual con-men who keep the Church of Jesus Christ under bondage of the law. Tithe given by Abraham in faith in God and tithes given by Israel under the law given to Moses are not in the Royal Priesthood in new Covenant of Jesus Christ put under carpet by tithes crusaders. Tithe given by Abraham to Melchisedec had no third party human usage tied to it. Tithes given under the laws had personal usage, third party human usage and were used by the Levites Priests and the Levites tribe. Windows ,orphans and strangers benefited from the tithes offerings and offerings received by the Levite priests. To quote the tithe given out of war by Abraham the father of faith to justify tithes given by the Royal priests (Saved Christians by Grace ) is more mischievously misleading even when tied to helping the spread of the Gospel Jesus Christ a self- righteousness imposed requirement under men law for doctrine. Jesus Christ did not allocate tithes to spreading of the Gospel in the hands of Levites Priests and Pastors who are taking Christians Spiritually for a ride. Success built on falsehood should not dampen Christians quest for truth and justice in holiness without deceit. For many to hear the truth that tithe is not a Christian doctrine in the ROYAL PRIESTHOOD OF JESUS CHRIST, it is like venom to them. The only option left for them is to rush to the final line of defense and use well endorsed and educated elite Christians to teach humbly tithes falsehood escalation with well loaded professional cover up backing. Let the clergy denies openly falsehood on tithes taught and not use third parties for cover up. Truth is easily dismissed but never nullified. Christians should not embrace scheduled resourceful falsehood taught in honor. Christian Churches must remain Sanctuaries of true love in grace instituted by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
They are amazed and bitter for we stand for Christ without seeking their favor or consultation on tithes issues without joining the sweeping wave in teaching tithes falsehood benefits acclaimed. The way some have reacted vilely to those who are opposed to tithes as a doctrinal falsehoods for Christians shows well from the comfort of their hearts that they are deeply battered by the truth and have realized they are known on cheating on tithes fortunes acclaimed. It befit us well to be called Christians of low estate with little minds rattling for we have not been soothed smoothly cool to support tithes falsehood taught in order for us to fit perfectly in the will of Jesus Christ with no regrets. We are satisfied with what God has provided us without gains of falsehood. We do not clamor for glamorous wealth of falsehood. They have stood as heroes in championing tithing as a way getting blessings for Christians from God which we have totally disagreed with them which they took as affront to their spiritual dignity. They have degraded the Royal Priesthood of Christ and nullified grace and love of Christ to themselves. We are aware there are spiritual babies on milk and feeble who are tossed to and fro by every kind doctrines who have not come to the full knowledge of truth. It will be unjust to us if do not take spiritual care of them and love them in Christ’s love, Hebrew5: 13-14. Those asking for revelation on tithes are asking for undeserved free room of manipulation to lie. Their theoretical assumption on tithes as the only easy way of meeting Church needs requirements through tithes justified falsehood taught to Christians saved by grace deserve spiritual analyses. Blessing and curses dealt with in tithes in old covenant are clear to those who seek truth in clear knowledge of wisdom. The same is theoretically assumed and taught on Abel offering being accepted because he offered animal sacrifice and burnt fats as sweat savor to God. Cain offering was not accepted just because were seeds and fruits. Abel chose the best and considered the even age of his sacrifice offered to God. No special sacrificial preparation on Cain offering was dedicated to God. Cain did not pay deserved attention on what he offered to sacrifice to God. God told him if he did well his offering would be accepted. God did not tell Cain to replace his offering with animal sacrifice. He was to do well to his offering for his acceptance and offering. Genesis 4:1–7. Cain offering had no respect for God and God had no regards for it. CEREALS AND FRUITS WERE NOT REMOVED FROM BEING OFFERED IN THE OLD COVENANT.
THEY LIE IN WAIT TO DECEIVE MANY UNSUSPECTING BELIEVERS NOT KNOWING WHAT THEIR ARE TAUGHT MANY TIMES HAD BEEN DISCUSSED IN COUNCILS OF MEN FOR UNIFORMITY AND NOT WITH THE HOLLY SPIRIT. IF TITHES WERE TO BE APPLICABLE AND JUSTIFIABLE IN THE NEW COVENANT ,ALL TITHES SHOULD BE SHARED EQUALLY AMONG ALL BRETHREN SINCE WE ARE THE ROYAL PRIESTS MINISTERING THE NEW COVENANT. The tithe burden is not for Christians . Let Bishops ,Pastors, Priests and Church Elders handle the Church of Christ within Christians doctrines established by Our Lord Jesus Christ and His Apostles in the mission field vision. CHRISTIANS MUST FACE AND ADDRESS THE MASS SWEEPING AND SOOTHING FALSEHOOD TAUGHT BY SOME WELL EDUCATED ELITE CHRISTIANS ABOUT TITHES BENEFITS AND BLESSINGS IN A SOBER SPIRITUAL REALITY FACE OUT. Tithes teaching is unexpected real falsehood investment from those held dearly in trust by many Christians who regard them us spiritual leaders. The situation becomes more murky and tricky when church elders are accomplished in the classic falsehood which puts the church into mental slavery. Irrelevant testimonies are given of blessed Christians even who gave beyond 70% and remained richly blessed to encourage giving beyond 10% for more blessings. Having given 70% and being left with 30% translates to millions of dollars left for their personal use. The same 70% if applied by Christians of minimal income will leave them in the cold without basics needs requirements being meet. They have encouraged Christians even to give beyond the law requirement to appear more spiritual. This is bound to impoverish Christians who will appear to have enmity with God in their old age. When the Government taxation is at 30% and the pastors at 10% without being end of requirement to give, almost 50% income is gone from the Christians who are offered weekly prayers for prosperity and blessings. How committed will these Christians be us Royal Priests to the great commission at grass root levels? Tithing is more emphasized to salaries without shame.
It is quite easy to justify tithes falsehood based on easily acquired wealth which meet the church needs which operates under Leviticus Priesthood. The Royal Priesthood in grace is quite different from Leviticus Priesthood under the law. Leviticus Priesthood in the old covenant belonged to the Levite tribe among the eleven tribes in Israel but the Royal Priesthood in the new covenant under oppression and suppression belongs to all brethren in the world in Christ Jesus ( the Church / the body of Christ) who are ministers of the new covenant commissioned to preach to the world. The Royal Priesthood is well placed to reach the world more effectively at close quarters in Christ love and glory expected. It is quite unfortunate that Christians unknowingly are victims of systematic unmarked high professional intellectual falsehood commercialization cover up in tithes teaching by learned elites Christians brethren which is a disservice to the (church) body of Christ. But Christians have been warned not to be fools since for some preaching and teaching falsehood is a smart act energetically engaged and Christians are openly conned .Ephesians 5:15-16. Tithing under law impoverishes the Royal Priesthood of Christ physically and spiritually which make the Great commission less effective. When all saved Christians are in Royal Priesthood, to whom do you tithe to in the in new covenant? The Royal Priesthood needs to take its place in Christian missions empowered in New Covenant for Christians to work in glory of Christ love intended for the body of Christ. It quite clear from the Bible that there is no perfection and justification under works of the law. Galatians 2:16- 21, Galatians 3:8-13,Galatians 4;4-5, Galatians 5:1,18. Hebrew 10;8-9. Jesus Christ and his twelve disciples did not ask for tithes but only comments were made on tithes under the law. As early church had needs equally relevant to their time and did not ask for tithes, we too have needs relevant to our time which require sacrificial offerings to solve problems but no through tithes offerings under the law with a curse. Saved Christians ( The Body of Christ /Church/ Royal Priests) are ministers of the new covenant which is not sorely the burden of the clergy as some would like us to believe in their theoretical tithes justification support for the clergy and meeting Church needs requirements.
A fountain cannot produce sweet and bitter water the same time. James 3:8-18. A new piece of cloth does not patch an old cloth nor do men put new wine in old bottles. Matthew 9:16-17. And with the priesthood changed there was need of changing the law governing it. Our royal priesthood in Christ Jesus is not after law of carnal commandment but after power of endless life Hebrews 7:7-26 .We Christian are saved by GRACE IN CHRIST LOVE(Spiritual Law) for we cannot be subjected to carnal law of sin and death crucified and done away by Christ on cross of Calvary. We are subjected to spiritual law of life in New Covenant in Christ Jesus and ought to have the spiritual understanding of the Word of God in liberty without corrupting the Word of God. Roman 8:1-2, Colossi ans 1:9-10. As God has blessed us in common inheritance of the saints, we should give sacrificially as we have purposed in our hearts in liberty and in love, Galatians 5:1, 2Corinthians 9;6-7, Galatians 6:6-7, Hebrew6:6-12,Hebrew13:11-16. Christ taught spiritual giving to God and to our parents, Luke 6:8 ,Matthew15:5-9. Paul also taught the same .2Corinthians 9:6-14, Philippians 2:4-5. Aaron was given unto Moses, the Levite priests were given unto Aaron, the eleven tribes of Israel were given unto Levite tribe to serve them but we Christians are purchased through the blood of Christ we are no man servants but servants of Christ 1Corinthians 7:21-2 ,God is our Father and our readily help in times of needs and not men. We are warned not to call any man our father in the spirit. Mathew23:9. Some have made men their fathers and call them fathers turning them their gods on earth. Numbers 3:9-15. No servant can hinder children access to the Father and His blessed inheritance. Are pastors, priest and Bishops in the Royal Priesthood of Christ or are in the Leviticus priesthood? Who coordinate pastors only to work for Christ for a living. Apostles of Christ worked with their own hands for a living and for preaching the Gospel of Christ. All saved Christians are servants of Christ in the Royal Priesthood of Christ. Do we make the spiritual understanding between the Leviticus Priesthood under the law and the Royal Priesthood in grace in the New Covenant or do we mix the two distinctive priesthoods cunningly for selfish gain to eliminate the so called clergy poverty and mess up with the doctrine of salvation in Grace? Christ gave some apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and some teachers for the perfecting of saint in the work of the ministry for edifying the( church) body of Christ so us not to be deceived Ephesians4:11-19. Who set aside and allocated poverty and tithes to the pastors in preaching the Gospel of Christ since those who preach the Gospel (Christians/Royal priests) shall live by the Gospel or who bear the burden of mercy for the clergy to teach and preach falsehood on tithes for them not to be poor? When did they become pastors in poverty for the church to eliminate their poverty? Christians should share their wealth with the clergy willingly in Christ love but not in law. We are saved by Grace in Christ’s love and our sharing should be in love. We saved Christians are not justified by the law. Galatians 2:21. We saved Christians are servants of Christ Jesus in the Royal Priesthood of the Saints. Why do many talk about key poverty of pastors on tithes among the five fold ministry? Where is their care and concerns for the other four ministries for they vouched for tithes not for the benefit of the body of Christ? This has brought a flood gate of preaching entrepreneurship boom diligently anchored by many on salvation under yardstick of tithes obligation. Some have spoken from the pulpit of brethren who don’t allow them eat tithes from their labor. Do they preach and teach for souls to be saved or for economic gains in tithes eating? Are they in LEVITICUS PRIESTHOOD or in THE ROYAL PRIESTHOOD OF JESUS CHRIST? A GENUINE ANSWER IS REQUIRED FOR NON DOUBLE STANDARD DOCTRINAL FAITH. For Christians it should be precepts upon precepts without contradictions.
Should the pastors ministry overshadow other ministries? All ministries should work as one body in the body of Christ. Foot soldiers who support falsehood on tithes preaching and teaching are calling Christians who do not support tithing to ask for forgiveness in face saving cover up. They have stood as heroes of faith in tithes teachings falsehood. Christians bear no apology to no one for preaching and teaching the truth . Only those who preach and teach falsehoods are hurt by the truth. Christians should not be coaxed by great promises and deadly threats hedged in none doctrinal falsehoods promises taught in guarded personal ego gains. With God, the means justify the end in Jesus Christ. Christians should not be hoodwinked by GROANING DELIVERY OF FALSEHOOD AND THE GLORY associated with the fruits of falsehood benefits . As we speak on the falsehood on the doctrine of tithing for Christians, we have not closed our eyes to the needs of the Church nor have buried our heads in the sand devoid of understanding of our emotions to face the truth. We stand for truth aware of forces against the truth within the Church and outside the Church. We have been asked to ask for forgiveness for not supporting tithing without being told from whom to apply for forgiveness. We do not pursue and preserve justified falsehoods which meet easily the needs of the Church for with God, the means justify the end in Christ. We are told we point an accusing finger to the clergy on issues concerning tithes falsehoods. We are part of the body of Christ and no part of the body accuses other parts. All body parts coordinate in functions and take care of one another when giving our body parts that are not comely more honor .We only pin point doctrinal falsehood taught by clergy thus taking care of the body of Christ spiritually in love. We do not waver in our minds and hearts in our stand on tithes issues. If one is stuck in sticky clay of falsehood, us a Christian one has to owner up and warm up to the truth and shape up to be free in did. We are fully aware of glorious unstable spiritual empires built on quick sand by men through falsehood under threat from the truth. If the empires fall apart there is no loss for Christians to worry about for apology. We are warned of danger of teaching and preaching the truth by exposing ourselves to well organized affluent churches of humble men. We stand for Christ in life and death without shame . Well organized fruitful falsehoods from those in authority do not translate to truth and righteousness.
Those under the law are under curse and the law kills 2 Corinthians 3:6. Those lead by the Spirit are not under law and curses Galatians5: 6, Galatians 3:8-13. Christians are redeemed from the curse of the law to adoption of sons . Roman 8:1-17,Galatians4:4- 5. We saved Christians are not under law but under grace Roman6:13-14.Are they telling Christians curses under law are blessings for them or they have powers to remove curses when Christians tithe to them? Christians must remain spiritually alert and be not be spiritually blind, They have directed Christians to deceptive ways of curses for their own benefits and not blessings. The bounty of terror of deceptive covetousness is professionally tactically presented as blessing based on salvation under yard stick of tithes. Many pastors have illegally allocated all tithes to themselves. Tithes were for specifics needs under old covenant for specific people help. Apostles of CHRIST did not use concealed deceptive covetousness to preach the Gospel .1Thessalonians2:3-6.We should renounce hidden things of dishonesty and not walk craftily handling the Word of God deceitfully 2Corithians 4:1-2. In tithes teaching the clergy makes spot of the needs for the better faultless New Covenant in obtained excellent ministry established upon better promises which has specific intended goals in Love by Grace in Jesus Christ. Hebrew 8:6-8. Christians are Spiritually born in the new Covenant by Grace in Love in Christ Jesus.
The body of CHRIST has been subjected to doctrinal mess by Levite priests and Levite pastors. TITHE IS A PURE CLASSIC SLEEK DOCTRINAL FALSEHOOD FOR CHRISTIANS CULTIVATED IN UNMATCHED PERSONAL CONCEALED ZEAL BY PASTORS IN LEADERSHIP FOR PERSONAL INTERESTS AND GAINS WHO UNDERSTAND UNIVERSALLY ON TITHES AND SALVATION AND FAIL TO APPRECIATE THE TIME OF LAW AND THE TIME OF GRACE DISPENSATION. In willful deception by calling themselves the Levites of today who persecuted Christians and plunder Christians pockets today they are able to demand to be given tithes. Levites priests and elders never gave a helping hand to Christians. Christ did not leave His Church under Leviticus Priesthood and no Levite priest was chosen as His Apostle . Leviticus Priesthood is forced on the throats of Christians by pastors for perfectly concealed selfish interests and gains. Do they want to tell us that Christ and Apostles of Christ forgot to ask for tithes during the early formative stage of Christian Ministry. When we take the Word of God out of its content and contest ,we have contempt for the Word of God. He (GOD)who brought tithing under the Old Covenant took it away in His(CHRIST) own Divine rights( after the order of Melchisedec) in the new Covenant. Perfection is in grace and not in law. Hebrew7: 7-26, Hebrew8:6-13 Hebrew9:1-27 Hebrew10:1-23. Leviticus Priesthood is impressive to many since it involves waiting at the sanctuary for provision and serving only at the altar of sacrifice. The order of Melchisedec was in Melchisedec Himself and existed before any tithe was offered. It is erroneously taught that tithes taught in the Old Covenant and comments made on tithes in the New Covenant in reference to Old Covenant sum up to uphold to tithe for Christians in order of Melchisedec which some teachings made suggest the order of Melchisedec in modeled on tithes. Now where is indicated in the Holly Bible that Abraham redeemed his first born sons Ishmael and Isaac when they were born since he operated in faith in God and not under the law. The law is not of faith. We are saved by grace from all sins of iniquities.
We can preach the Word of God quoting scriptures like the devil when he tested Jesus or quote the scriptures like CHRIST when He answered satan in time of need. Matthew 4:1-11 . Jesus Christ taught men can teach commandments of men for doctrines. Mathew15:5-9. This addressed falsehood which can come from those in authority in the Church ( bishops, pastors, priest and elders) leadership. We can have a zeal of faith and commitment to establish our own righteousness not according to righteousness of God in the knowledge of his Word. Roman 10:1-4. Pastors and priests calling themselves Levites today have capitalized on low level Christian doctrinal knowledge teachings among Christians. Tithing contradict the doctrine of salvation by GRACE and deprive the Christians in Loyal Priesthood in Christ Jesus the individual empowerment to do the Great Commission. When we are loyal Priests to whom do we tithe to? Is it not even if it were in Natural world for servants to tithe to Loyal Priests? Pastors Priest and Bishops are also in the Loyal Priesthood of Jesus Christ all of us being sons and servants composing the body of Christ unless they exclude themselves. The underlying mystery is to deliver the Church of Christ in concealed form to Leviticus Priesthood for Priests ,Pastor and Bishops to enable them demand tithes. Mathew15:5-9. We can preach the Word of God making the Church a house of merchandise to make merchandise of Christians and those who do so whose God is their belly which made Adam and Eve to fail in their relationship with God .It is a lucrative profitable business based on arithmetic of numbers cunningly preserved with tactical appreciations to the body of Christ and spreading of the Gospel. Are elect Christians deceived out of their wits? Romans 16:17 -19 ,2 Peter 2:1-3, John 2:16, Philppians3:17-19. We can preach Christ out of envy, strife or of good will. Philippians 1:15-17,2Corinthians4:1-2. It is the body of Christ the Church which is sent to preach to the world also as individuals brethren bearing the burden to preach to the world as Apostles of Christ did. The responsibility has not been on shoulders of priests and pastors only. Brethren are the loyal priests and ambassadors of Christ and has committed unto us the Church the word of reconciliation, 2 Corinthians :19-20. THERE WERE NO FENCE SITTINGS AND ARE NO FENCE SITTINGS IN THE NEW COVENANT MINISTRY MEDIATED BY OUR APOSTLE AND THE HIGH PRIEST OF OUR FAITH LORD JESUS CHRIST. Apostles labored with their hand to provide for preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ and Christians’ offerings they received were not tithes. No one is specially chosen to be at receiving end of tithes so as to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We saved Christians are the Loyal Priests AND Ambassadors of Jesus Christ.2 Peter 2:1-9, 2 Corinthians5:14-20. The preaching of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is not entirely sorely in the hands of clergy. It is in the hands of the (Church) believers composing the body of Jesus Christ.
Tithing is a hard topic to teach without spiritual understanding since we have many high profile elite preachers teaching on the same with books written of great hoped promises and condemnation on the same for those who do not tithe, Ephesians 5:6-7, 1Thessalonians 2:3-4. Some well educated elite Christians are involved in deceptive teaching on tithes which is warmly appreciated from the pulpit. They are the magnetizing force with alluring great hoped blessed promises of wealth based on tithes. When will it dawn on them that they teach doctrine of men on tithing for Christians saved by grace. On moving from one church to the church or by taking a flight from one continent to another continent on falsehood mission, lies taught on tithes by them cannot be justified by the sacrificial cost incurred to do so. Only when they uphold the truth and uplift Christ as they decrease and Christians stop earthly social status cult adoration in respect of human beings will truth prevails’. Pharisees and the Scribes were most well educated and Jesus said woe unto them seven times for being stumbling blocks in faith. Mathew 23:9-39. We only need to rightly divide the Word of God and know whether we are Christians seeking salvation under the law or we are Christians saved by grace in Christ through the Spiritual law of love, Corinthians 1:12-16,2 Timothy 2:15 . We redeemed sons of God who are made Kings and priests unto God have a common inheritance in Christ Jesus, Galatians 4:4-5, Colssians1:9-14 ,1Corinthians 2:12-16. Revelation 1;4-6 .Let well educated brethren teach the Word of God the same way as learned Doctor Luke and Br. Paul did for spiritual growth of the body of Christ. Let well educated Christians stand for justice like Dr . Gamaliel who was a doctor of law who in his response rescued the apostles from eminent death in the hands of Levite priests, Acts;5:17-42. We are called spiritual sons of God after salvation not before in fallen state and who are enabled to do the righteousness that was in the law but we are not under the law. The same priests and pastors wreck the spiritual scriptures when they teach fallen Angles are called sons of God who married daughters of men giving offspring of giants , Genesis 6:1-8. God says he has never called any angles his son, Hebrew 1:4-5.When were fallen angles redeemed and sanctified to be called sons? The ownership of daughters is unto multiplied men who were referred to as sons of God and the lust to polygamous marriage was with men. Are beautiful daughters born today for men? Shall we have another episode of fallen angles marrying daughters of men before the close of age? Many have taught the Word of God outside Biblical doctrines so many are deceived in their teaching and preaching which condemn God as unjust since no judgment is passed to angles they refer to as sons of God. When men dropped further from grace when they practiced polygamous marriage and their life span was reduced to one hundred and twenty years , no judgment is passed to purposed angles they teach us sons of God. The sons of God were men who had done reconciliation to God the same way Abel had done and was accepted by God. The judgment is specifically to mankind and giants born in sin of polygamous marriage do not qualify the sons of God to be angles. God said His spirit shall not always strive with man and He saw the wickedness of man was great. This time there is no wickedness associated with angles, Genesis6:1–7 . Angles are ministering spirits with no reproductive empowerment, Matthew 22:29-32, Hebrew 1:14-14.
Our relationship to God our Father is in love in our loyal priesthood to the world. Roman 8:14-17. Only those who are not sincere mix teaching under carnal law and spiritual teaching enlightenment under spiritual law. When we study the old covenant it should help us get rooted deeply in the new covenant. The devil uses the nobles, evil and false witness to do his will according to circumstances, Acts 13;50-51 Acts 6: 9-14. Christians must remain wise and not be cheated by devils workers transforming themselves as angles of light which corrupt the Word of God, 2Corinthians2:17, 2Corinthians11: 13-15. Levites Pastor, Priests and some Christians misquote Jesus Christ on judgment. Judge not that you may be not judged . Matthew7:1-5. They say God prohibit judgment which is not true since it is based on taking the scripture out of content and contest on understanding Jesus statement. It has given them a highway of teaching lies without being questioned. They have separated themselves from the body of Christ to ideal entity who cannot be censured. Shall you close your eyes to evils committed that they may not judge you. Do you buy yourself freedom from being judged for not condemning evil or commenting on anything positive or negative. The preaching of the Word of God is based on judgment on sins and righteousness . God requires from us righteous judgment in wisdom and in love which condemn sins which leads man to repentant of sins and redemption. The Word of God in its content and contest states judgment on sins and righteousness. Christians are saved by grace in Christ’s love and our judgment must remain under Spiritual law of love in Grace that leads to redemption and under perfect law of liberty to do righteousness in Christ love, James 1:20-25, James2:10-26. Thus to him that knows to do good in liberty and does not do it is sin to him, James 4:15 Bro James taught us to avoid judgment under carnal law that brings condemnation without redemption. Those who live under law shall face judgment without mercy for no man shall be justified by the works of the law,Galatians2:16-21 . All living beings and organic life are in constant judgment for existent. If we can stop all processes of judgments life will come to a standstill and ultimate death with final judgment of decay. Life and all creation were established in good judgment by God and close of age shall end in judgment to eternal life or eternal death which is eternal life of suffering and separation from God. Genesis 1:1-31, Genesis 2:1-25. Even our bodies judge us out of energy and we hunger for food and thirst for water. All witty discoveries are results of acknowledgment of positive judgments on well active coordinated principals. Christians are encouraged to solve cases in judgment among themselves. 1Corinthians 6:1-7,The Bible encourages us that our love may abound yet more in knowledge and in all Judgment and we judge ourselves dead in Christ, 2 Corinthians5:14 ,Philippians 1:9-12. Life is in active constant judgments and the creation mourns for final judgment which it shall be subjected by God. We relate in evaluation to all things in judgment. What we known and do not know is based on judgment. What we believe right or wrong is based on judgment. Irrespective of any judgment delivered on us we should delivers the Heavenly Kingdom judgment to sins. We saved Christians are counted and judged worthy to suffer tribulations together with Christ when we live Christian life in love ,Revelation Chapter1,2 and3. We thus judge ourselves dead to sin in Christ Jesus. We cannot stop delivering Heavenly Judgments to buy ourselves freedom from being judged. Without sense of judgmental evaluation of good, evil or bad would never exist for humanity and humanity would enter into a void valueless state in life. Even when others say do not judge others , that statement bear judgment in itself. Our appreciation is in judgment.
There are may be those who preach tithing to saved Christians for lack of spiritual understanding. We should girdle up the loins of our minds as the knowledgeable wise sharers of the Word of God . 1Peter :13-15.Roman 10:1-4. We shall be off the hook of being soothed ,cornered, and been cheated on doctrinal issue in Christianity. God bless us in abundant grace of spiritual revelation and spiritual understanding of His Holy Word, Colssians1:9-14, Ephesians 5:6 -7,1Thessalonians 2:3-6, 2Timothy2:15, 2Timothy 2:24-26 . Amen I am happily blessed to interact with you on spiritual teachings. Hope we shall search more scriptures for our beneficial spiritual growth . Yearning to receive your input on the topic .God bless you.
The message is freely given purely to the body of JESUS CHRIST worldwide.
By Br. Robert Munyui Kamunyu

I was raised in Catholic Doctrine,and went to school there too. I became a baptist in 1993, Those churches are about the money. They bring in motivation Pastor to make you feel guilty about not being able to tithe. Those elderly people are barely able to buy food and medicine, I know you’re making enemies by telling the truth. God bless you.I’m from a poor Country, and pay my tithes to my poor families. I don’t go to church, because I know the truth about the words of God. I am tired of listening to the same preaching.

I know one think that My Heavenly Father God Almighty is not pleased with these wealth pastors and churches. Do you think God is pleased with all these homeless people around here. Some of these pastors and churches want help their own members. Who lost their jobs and houses out of their control. Jobs when out of business, layed off and cut backs. Good tithes payer too. Love have mercy. I myself give my tithes and offering to members who I buy food for, organization, whosoever I can help. Because I AM the church. The mortgage paid for whild I need help to pay off my mortgage. It is somemany houses that is foreclosure while the churches want help. The only thing they tell you is to whold on and have faith. Love you unconditionally, Princess.

With all the churches on every street. It is just a tax free money making. While God’s people suffer. On this rock I wii build my church. He was not talking about a nail and hammer. Lord have mercy. Love you unconditionally, Princess.

Tithing was under and is under the law with a curse for Christians seeking salvation under the law,Leviticus27:1-34,Malachi 3:1-18.When bishops, pastors, elders, and priests humbly teach falsehood by quoting tithes in Malachi 3:1-18,under the law IN OLD COVENANT which was a prime contribution for the Levite tribe and Leviticus Priesthood, how many Christians line up to be served with food when tithes and offering under the law are given? Is the storehouse pastors’ and priests’ house or the Church being the bride and body of Jesus Christ? Saved Christians by grace IN NEW COVENANT who are lead and taught by the Holy Spirit are not under law or in generation curse in the law, Ephesians 2:4-9. Tithes in Malachi 3:1-18 were primarily for the tribe of Levi which was not allocated land for sharing among themselves , Numbers 18:20-28 . Those who simply imply Christians are under curse for not tithing put into question about unfinished work of redemption (SALVATION) by Christ Jesus on cross of Calvary which is bought and maintained continuously in tithes paid to them. Those who are of work of the law are under curse Galatians 3:3-13.Yet Christ is not ashamed to call us brethren whom He has redeemed and sanctified to perfection once for all, Hebrew10:8-16, Hebrew 2:9-13, Galatians 2:16-21.We have been redeemed from the curse of the law, Jesus Christ being made a curse for us : for it is written, cursed is everyone that hangs on a tree. Christians saved by grace are the High Priest in the Royal Priesthood Of Jesus Christ and able ministers of the new testament born of love with exceeding glory which surpassed the glory that was in law with Moses which was done away with, 2Corinthhians 3:613, Hebrew7:25-26, 1Peter2:5-9.
Many Christians cannot believe that the clergy can plan evils and tell lies. You can only teach and preach about tithes from law without spiritual scandal but not from grace . Know by grace you are saved. Ephesian2:8-9,8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. John1:17,17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. Matthew27: 62-66, 62 On the next day, which followed the Day of Preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees gathered together to Pilate, 63 saying, “Sir, we remember, while He was still alive, how that deceiver said, ‘After three days I will rise.’ 64 Therefore command that the tomb be made secure until the third day, lest His disciples come by night[a] and steal Him away, and say to the people, ‘He has risen from the dead.’ So the last deception will be worse than the first.”65 Pilate said to them, “You have a guard; go your way, make it as secure as you know how.” 66 So they went and made the tomb secure, sealing the stone and setting the guard. Matthew28:10-15, Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.11 Now when they were going, behold, some of the watch came into the city, and shewed unto the chief priests all the things that were done.12 And when they were assembled with the elders, and had taken counsel, they gave large money unto the soldiers,13 Saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole him away while we slept.14 And if this come to the governor’s ears, we will persuade him, and secure you.15 So they took the money, and did as they were taught: and this saying is commonly reported among the Jews until this day. The Chief Priests and elders got tithes but did not spread or help the spread of the Gospel but persecuted Christians. When were the tithes allocated to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Paul got letters from the high priest to persecute Christians. Acts 22:5, The high priest and the whole council of elders can testify that this is so. For I received letters from them to our Jewish brothers in Damascus, authorizing me to bring the Christians from there to Jerusalem, in chains, to be punished.
Offerings made in Christian Churches are for ministering the Body of Jesus Christ. We have been redeemed from the curse of the law to adoptions of sons in Royal Priesthood from the time the curtain partitioning the Holy of Holies was torn apart in into two when Jesus Christ was crucified and gave us free access to God our Father, 1Peter2:5-9, Mathews 27:50-52. Pastors ,Priest and Bishops who are servants of God cannot subject sons of God in Royal Priesthood to tithe taxes which is absolutely illegal for we are not under the curse of the law, Galatians 5:1-26, Galatians4:4-5,2 Corinthians 3:1-18.Christ abolished in His flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances and we are built upon the foundations of the apostles and prophets ,Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone,Ephesians213-20. Christians are under Spiritual law of Love. Sins sacrifices ,offerings under the law, curses, and generation curses under law in the old covenant remained up to death of Jesus Christ on Calvary when He fulfilled the prophecy and requirements of the law. Acts18:38, 38 Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; 39 and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses. The law is not of faith and we are redeemed from curses under law to adoptions of sons.Galatians4:4-5.Galatians2:16. Salvation under the law one attains it at last breath on earth having done all that pertains to the law which is hard for one to accomplish, Galatians3:8-13. Even the tithe which was given by Abraham was under the law of sin and death from the fallen state of Adam and Eve at the garden of Aden. Those who lie would like to deceive Christians that tithe was before the law but before which law.
When Christ our High Priest was born He was given gifts and not tithes Mathew 2:11-12. Jesus Christ our High Priest and Apostles of Jesus Christ did not ask for tithes. To whom do they pay allegiance to for them to justify asking for tithes today? Salvation under spiritual law of love by grace is freely given and attained with free miracles from God our Father, Ephesians 2:4 -9, Ephesians 2:13 -20. Under Leviticus priesthood which belonged to the tribe of Levi, tithes were given to Levites priests for use by the whole tribe of Levi and tithe of tithe to the high Priest for they shared no land apart from the walled towns they were allocated to stay in for their continuous sacrifice to God, Numbers 18:20 -29. Widows, strangers ,fatherless and orphans benefited from tithes and offerings given to Levites, Deuteronomy 14:22-29.In Christianity widows were asked to be catered by close brethren to ease burden to the Church. There were also tithes of different kinds in Israel. There was also a tithe where a family had to eat all before the Lord, Deutreronomy12:6-7. In Christ Jesus we are saved by grace to adoptions of sons in Royal Priesthood of Christ (for Christians saved by grace )and not by works of law under curse ,Galatians 3:8-13,Acts13: 38-39, Galatians 4: 4-5, Galatians2:16-21, Galatians 5:18. Sons have direct access to the Father and free common inheritance not bought or worked for from the Father. For servants ( Pastors and Priests) are servants of God worthy all respects and due help. Much preaching is done in grace and love to Christians at early stages who are later sleekly entangled and enslaved in fear under the bondage of law in tithes emphatically taught by many in seeking dwindling fortune entrenched in tithes falsehood.
The Church of Christ is founded in love by grace and a worker in preaching the Gospel will live by the Gospel is worthy his labor. Bro Paul did not apportion the spreading of the Gospel as the only work for the early Christian reward in daily bread hence the notion for not eating for those who were not working being busybodies among early Christians, 2Thesaalonians 3:8-15. Paul taught brethren to work with their own hands and support the week, 1Thessalonians 4:11-12,Acts20:27-35. What would happen if all Royal Priests ( saved Christians ) apportion themselves the only labour of spreading the Gospel? We would go back to the same situation Paul had with busybodies. Yet those who preach the Gospel should get support from brethren and from their labour in preaching the Gospel ( those that wait at the altar including apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers) beside having to get more rewards of doing other jobs quietly and eat their own bread.. 1Corithians 9: 1-14. Disciples of Jesus Christ laboured with their own hands in spreading the Gospel and did not receive tithes. Jesus called Peter and Andrew his brother and made them fishers of men, Matthew 4:18-20. When Peter went fishing with other disciples after death of Jesus Christ, it was normal to them. Peter did not say he was to borrow a boat, fishing lines and net to go fishing. It was trade he had upheld. JESUS CHRIST did not rebuke His disciples for fishing beside spreading the Gospel when He appeared unto them after resurrection John21:1-25. We do not expose to poverty the Royal Priesthood of Jesus Christ from the tribe of Juda for not tithing as some exhibit in their teachings since the Royal Priesthood of Christ for Christians is not founded and funded on Leviticus Priesthood under the law.
The Apostles and disciples of Jesus Christ understood from onset of Christ’s Ministry that they were not under Leviticus Priesthood and had no share in Leviticus Priesthood allotments. Thus questions were raised of their take and benefits in the Royal Priesthood of Jesus Christ Ministry in the New Covenant, Mathew 19:23-30 . Leviticus Priesthood which was upheld under the glory and the righteousness of law without partiality had allotments which existed before well-known and were already defined in obliged tithing. God had also to deal with wayward priesthood and a rebellious nation under the law. Malachi 2:1-17, Malachi 3:1-18. Christians were never left under leadership of Leviticus Priesthood under the law. Christians are humbly called upon to support tithes sweetened falsehood purposed to enhance good glorious intentions communicated a smart way which forms practically some mega success which should not divert Christians from free spiritual giving. The essence of Christians righteousness in salvation by grace in the Royal Priesthood of Jesus Christ is more falsely tied to tithes by the clergy and the bar raised often higher as they become masters of confusion in tithes falsehood teaching cover up. Even Judas Iscariot is not recorded asking for tithes. We firmly stand by the truth our mouths being boldly louder and we faint not as we manifest the truth to man’s conscience to God without honoring personality clout in uncovering tithes falsehood taught,2Corinthians 4:1-2.They keep asking what is wrong with us to be at pains on tithes forced falsehood treasured? There is nothing wrong with us and we have wronged no one except those who stumble on the plain truth who want to appease in altered falsehood. Isaih5:18-24, 18Woe unto them that draw iniquity with cords of vanity, and sin as it were with a cart rope: 19That say, Let him make speed, and hasten his work, that we may see it: and let the counsel of the Holy One of Israel draw nigh and come, that we may know it! 20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!22 Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:23 Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him. Those who want to justify doctrinal falsehood on tithes for Christians have successfully done it.
IN NEW TESTAMENT two priesthoods are compared and the need to replace the Old Covenant expounded. Hebrew7: 7-28, Hebrew8:6 -13, Hebrew 9:6-9, Hebrew 10:8-23. Surprisingly the comparison intended in verses referred to under Old Covenant are false fully endorsed as justification for tithes as the purposed comparison intention between the old Covenant and the New Covenant for better choice is cunningly phased out in a hoodwink halve way scripture reading crafted from the pulpit. A flood gate of falsehood is humbly opened from the pulpit of quoting scriptures out of content and contest. Leviticus priesthood under the law with tithes, death, discontinuity and its acceptance under glory of the law without the great commission was done away in Christ Jesus and the Holy Priesthood of Jesus Christ without tithes, death and discontinuity with exceeding glory that excel in New Covenant under which Christians are in salvation being a Holy nation and High Priest in the Royal Priesthood of Jesus Christ with a duty to preach to the world GOD being their Father in New Covenant Ministry. We cannot turn the grace of our God unto lust. Jude1:4. In that He said, a new covenant He has made the first old. Now that which decays and waxed old is ready to vanish away Hebrew8:6-13.
God related with Adam and Eve in the garden of Aden under command of not eating from tree of knowledge and evil , Abraham related to God in faith when he was called out of Ur. The Israel related to God under law given to Moses under old the Covenant and we saved Christians relate to God under Spiritual law of love by grace in Jesus Christ in New Covenant where we get our salvation. Tithing weakens the Royal Priesthood of Christians in Jesus Christ where Christians are supposed to give themselves as living sacrifice in the mission vision fields. The Christians Royal Priesthood in Christ Jesus is internally weekend from within ,fought and economically drained mostly for indoors ministries under revival of Leviticus priesthood meticulously merged into the Royal Priesthood by pastors for selfish hidden gains . The Royal Priesthood is internally spiritually emaciated and trodden upon.2 Corinthians2:1-13, 2Peter 2:5-9. Priesthood involves sacrifices and Jesus Christ did not choose Priesthood among the five fold ministry since all saved Christians are in the Royal Priesthood of Jesus Christ and we have been asked to give ourselves as a living sacrifice to God since we are the royal priests preaching the Gospel from the altar of salvation.
The priesthood was changed from the Old Covenant( Leviticus Priesthood under law based on waiting at the sanctuary for sacrifices ) to the New Covenant (in the Royal Priesthood of Jesus Christ of labour in the Harvest field of Christ without tithes allocations which is not appreciated) and the law governing it was changed Hebrews 7:7-12. Christ requested His disciples to give the crowd food to eat , Matthew 14:15-16. Jesus Christ told Peter look after his lambs and later to look after His sheep ( service) in clear shift from Leviticus Priesthood which does not apply to Christians, John 21:15-17. JESUS CHRIST our High Priest is the mediator of the better New Covenant established upon better promises. Hebrew8:6-8. Under Leviticus priesthood an animal for sacrifice was alive between the altar of sacrifice and the Levite priest holding the sacrificial knife. Sheep remained alive for a period of time only when they were delivered many animals for sacrifice and the altar could not hold them all for sacrifice .We are dead to sin and alive in Christ who live in us being a living sacrifice to God. Christians saved by grace in love of Christ Jesus in Royal Priesthood within the New Covenant cannot be dragged back to curses enslavement and enmity in the law in Leviticus Priesthood in Old Covenant, Ephesians 2:4-22. The Royal Priesthood of labour of service in Christ Jesus is loathed by many clergy who opt for Leviticus Priesthood of waiting at the sanctuary for provision given for altar sacrifices. It is only through concealed falsehood that the clergy merge the Leviticus Priesthood under law in old Covenant ( which remained hostile to Christians), with the Royal Priesthood by grace in Christ love liberated in New Covenant. The Royal Priesthood of Jesus Christ in liberty bears no self-restrictions or inhibitions in fear of men in preaching and teaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ since it has no people driven demand support pegged on expectations anchored under the law. Christians should give liberally in love as God has blessed us ,2 Corinthians9 :6-7, Galatians 5:1. Galatians6:6-10.
Tithes crusaders teach well packaged tithes falsehood from the pulpit managed humbly in sheep skins. Christians are increasingly facing common mounted front in tithes falsehood which is demanded by elites clergies as a Christian doctrine in Churches. It is easy for many unsuspecting Christian to take it as the Gospel truth. The remnant few faithful Christians must firmly remain in the narrow highway of faith and teach Christian doctrine on giving bearing in mind they stand on highways of interests of elites clergies on tithes falsehood taught with awkward elite professional church elders support . The humble craving of comfortable falsehood artistically and passionately taught on tithes by the clergy should not make Christians lose focus in Christian giving in love. Bishops, Pastors, Priests, church Elders and those read the OLD TESTAMENT( Old Covenant ) BLINDED BY THE VAIL that is in law that was done away in JESUS CHRIST keep Christians in fear of curses under bondage of law which was abolished by JESUS CHRIST and miss the righteousness in liberty sanctified in JESUS CHRIST in the New Covenant,2Corithians3: 6-18 . Successful prosperity based on falsehood cannot be accepted as a measure of blessing in holiness. Truth is easily dismissed but never nullified on tithes falsehood openly taught by the clergy. Christians must remain Pentecostal and evangelical in the Royal Priesthood of Jesus Christ without entangling themselves in Leviticus Priesthood bound in bondage of the law. We are persuaded of better things in our work of liberty in love in salvation by Grace for God is not unrighteous to forget our work and labour of love , Hebrew6:9-12, Galatians 5:1, 18. IF SAVED CHRISTIANS WHO ARE LOYAL PRIESTS (clergy under Loyal Priesthood of Jesus Christ) ARE SUBJECTED BACK TO THE LAW,THEN THEY SHOULD SURELY EQUALLY SHARE TITHES WITH THE CLERGY FRATERNITY. Christ came to not to destroy the law and the prophets but to fulfill so as the enmity that was against us in the law was abolished on the cross. Falsehood is taught that Christ came to strength the law. A way in love by Grace in Jesus Christ’s love for mankind was established for our salvation after Christ fulfilled the prophecy and the law and He defeated the enmity of law that was against us.
Without fulfilled prophesy and the law there would be no room for grace. Before HIS DEATH THE LAW WAS UPHELD TO THE LETTER .Mathew5:17-19, Ephesians 2:4—20. He paved the narrow highway of righteousness in salvation by grace, Isaiah35:1-10. Tithes falsehood nullifies grace and love bestowed on them by Jesus Christ. Those who want to seek salvation under law with curses of the law should continue in glory of the law and fulfill the whole law without entangling salvation by grace in Christ’s love with law in any lewd manner since the glory in law in old testament at fault (where God found faults with them) was to be done away and was abolished, 2Corinthians 3:1-18 Galatians2:16-21, Galatians3:1-13 ,Galatians4:4-5, Hebrew8:6-13. The Church( Royal Priest) of Jesus Christ is established by grace in Christ’s love in the glory of the NEW TESTAMENT that excels in liberty under the New Covenant . Christians must move forward wholly Spiritually Holy away from all forms of non-doctrinal spiritual slavery exploitation honored and established for Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believes, Roman12:1-2 . It is quite amazing how the so called spiritual clergies who bear tithes compliance records can overlook tithes falsehood over their shoulders and tell Christians that tithing is the best way of starting giving though they agree it is not candidly instructed in the New Covenant . We are engaged from within in the last days spiritual battle field against tithes as a Christian doctrine and have defiantly crossed the red line on dear tithes falsehood entrepreneurship threshold upheld, 2 Corinthians 11:13-15.
Levites Pastors and Priests are comfortable and friendly to brethren who live like dead sacrifice with almost free access to tithes. Levites priests were to labor to sacrifice and not tendering the flocks or do any farming or even trade, Numbers 18:20-32 Joshua7:7.They lived in walled towns .Pastors and Priests who revive the Leviticus priesthood removed by Christ for Christians and meticulously merge it to the Royal Priesthood of better promised mediated by Christ do so for personal gains in mass coordinated concealed cheating in tithes allocations championed by elites Christians, Hebrew8:6-8.. The old covenant had amassed personal sought atonement for sins through animals sacrifices and positive attributes in tithing under law in the Old Covenant but the new covenant has atonement by grace for sins in Christ’s Blood for love of mankind Hebrew10:8-16, Hebrew13:11-16, Hebrew9 :6-15. Leviticus priesthood under law remained hostile to the Ministry of Jesus Christ and His disciples who suffered in their hands even after Christ’s death, Mathew 27:12-20,62-66 Matthew28:11-15. Levite High Priests, Levites Priests and Elders beat and wanted to kill all disciples of Christ whom they told not to preach in His name. Acts 5:17-42. Today Levite clergy tell Christian that their salvation by grace is not complete without paying them tithes which is a lie,Hebrew10:8-16.Salvation is not bonded in tithes for preaching the Gospel. Let well educated brethren teach the Word of God the same way as learned Doctor Luke and Br. Paul did for spiritual growth of the body of Christ. Let well educated Christians stand for justice like Dr. Gamaliel who was a doctor of law who in his response rescued the apostles from eminent death in the hands of Levite priests Acts;5:17-42.
What pastors are not telling the Church (the Bride/sons/ Ambassadors / High Priest in the Royal Priesthood of Jesus Christ, and Able Ministers of the New Covenant in the Word/Children of God and servants made friends by His Holy calling) is the reason Jesus Christ had in choosing the twelve disciples ( under New Covenant in Grace ) and opted not to use the Levite Priests (in Old Covenant under law) that were well established and placed had they to be chosen preach to the world. LET PASTORS , BISHOPS AND PRIESTS HONESTLY PURGE THEIR HEARTS AND SPEAK THE TRUTH ON TITHES. CHRIST IS THE END OF THE LAW IN THE OLD COVENANT. The intrigue of doctrinal falsehood on tithes smartly engineered and flamboyantly taught by them worldwide cannot be justified by positive attributes on tithes under law in the Old Covenant or be cleansed by their religious social status. Christians should not be for entertainments but for truth in Holiness preached and taught which is not in contest in numerical strength for acceptance. It quite clear from the Bible that there is no perfection and justification under works of the law. Galatians 2:16- 21, Galatians 3:8-13,Galatians 4;4-5,Galatians 5:1,18. FOR CHRISTIANS GOD HAS NO PLEASURE FOR SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS AND BURNT OFFERINGS AND OFFERINGS FOR SINS AND FOR WHICH IS OFFERED UNDER THE LAW. HEBREW 10: 8-9 . THIS SCRIPTURE THEY WOULD WISH IT NEVER EXISTED. Can those who advocate for tithes honestly deny openly that there were sacrifices and offerings under law not acceptable to God for Christians in NEW COVENANT? Tithes advocates call Christians passionately to tithe an illustration of spiritual disconnect to bridge. WHY WOULD THE CLERGY NOT TELL CHRISTIANS TO SACRIFICE FOR THEIR SINS BUT TITHE? Selective preaching and teaching on tithes falsehood cover up still remains. Tithes falsehood taught has remained guarded and guided in shrewd cover up of honored blessed fortune justification hidden in tithes falsehood teaching proliferation by professional Christians.
Christians must know the truth to be free and move from being trapped in greatly justified tithe doctrinal falsehood taught ,Ephesians4:11-14. In law in Old Covenant men remained the instructors and enforcers of the law. In new covenant the Holy Spirit remains our Wonderful Teacher and Counselor in Grace. For sure those who are in bondage of the law have men appreciation at hand but those lead by the Holy Spirit in Liberty within the yoke of Jesus Christ in grace have the acceptance of God. Christians should not be held spiritually hostage by unifying falsehoods taught in concealed falsehood out of labor. This would be spiritual blindness and slavery for many Christians hard for some to overcome. Apostles did not teach and preach the Gospel Of Jesus Christ through deceptive greediness but by sound doctrines, 2Peter2:1-3. Christians taught for doctrines the commandments of men replace Jesus Christ for men who become their gods (idol worship based on men). They admire them for their earthly great achievements and they testify much of their stardom. Mathew 15: 5-9. There is the church of men where men teach for doctrines commandments of men and Church of Jesus Christ which cannot be swallowed by institutionalized organized falsehood and greed concealed in justified and satisfied false knowledge which is not in the True Word of God. Even those workers of iniquity with miracles shall not cheat and defeat the church of Christ since He holds the Church in His holy hands in due time. Matthew15:8-9. The gates of hell shall not prevail over the Church of Jesus Christ. Mathew16:18. The Church of Christ cannot live by glorious commandments instituted by men standards. Christians must break free and be clean from all men commandments enslavement. Christians’ true love and care will then freely flourish. Christians should not feel comfortable for being appreciated for accepting and supporting goals of concealed falsehood taught through feigned words in covetousness to make merchandise of us,2 Peter2:1-3.
Falsehood clarified and justified in concealed covetousness is hard for many Christians to overcome. Many Christians plunged globally into tithe doctrinal falsehood and held spiritually captive by clergy that are Levites require spiritual rescue and deliverance. The Church must wrestle herself free from shrewd elite spiritual con-men who keep the Church of Jesus Christ under bondage of the law. The tithe given by Abraham in faith in God and tithes given by Israel under the law given to Moses are not in the Royal Priesthood in new Covenant of Jesus Christ put under carpet by tithes crusaders. Tithe given by Abraham to Melchisedec had no third party human usage tied to it. Tithes given under the laws had personal usage, third party human usage and were used by the Levites Priests and the Levites tribe. Windows ,orphans and strangers benefited from the tithes offerings and offerings received by the Levite priests. To quote the first tithe given out of war by Abraham the father of faith to justify tithes given by the Royal priests (Saved Christians by Grace ) is more mischievously misleading even when tied to helping the spread of the Gospel Jesus Christ a self- righteousness imposed requirement under men’s law for doctrine. Jesus Christ did not allocate tithes to spreading of the Gospel in the hands of Levites Priests and Pastors who are taking Christians Spiritually for a ride. Success built on falsehood should not dampen Christians quest for truth and justice in holiness without deceit. For many to hear the truth that tithe is not a Christian doctrine in the ROYAL PRIESTHOOD OF JESUS CHRIST, it is like venom to them.
The only option left for them is to rush to the final line of defense and hid under falsehood by using well endorsed and educated elite Christians to teach humbly tithes falsehood escalation with well loaded professional cover up backing. Let the clergy deny openly falsehood on tithes taught and not use third parties blinded by the veil in reading the old testament that was removed by Jesus Christ for a cover up, 2Corinthians 3:1-18. Truth is easily dismissed but never nullified. Christians should not embrace scheduled resourceful falsehood taught in honor from the PULPIT. Christian Churches must remain Sanctuaries of true love in grace instituted by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. God calls us to the holy mountain of reasoning in liberty of faith in Christ Jesus, Isaiah 1:18-20, Galatians5:1, 18. The implication of self-imprisonment by Christians in men’s law for doctrines is spiritually devastating. The glory achieved is the glory of men. Faith without work is dead but work in the Holy Faith in Christ Jesus is not bound by the law.
We are not men’s servants. Can the Church (Royal priests) gather spiritual strength and free herself from the grip of able energetic Leviticus priesthood? 1Corithians 6:20, 1 Corinthians 7:21-24, 1Peter1:8:25. We are redeemed with a price the blood of Jesus Christ to give ourselves as a living sacrifice whereby we establish the law fulfilled by Him Through The Righteousness Of The law Of Faith In Jesus Christ, being justified freely from sins in His blood by Grace to liberty from the bondage of the law,Roman3:1-31, Roman12: 1-2, Galatians2:16-21, James 2:17-26. We are the Royal Priests at liberty commissioned to preach to the world and we cannot sell our Spiritual birth right so easily engaged, Galatians5:1,13, James1:25 2corithians3:17. Finally all they have is to diminish and assert that the Royal Priesthood of Jesus Christ is meant for families.
They are amazed and bitter for we stand for Christ without seeking their favour or consultation on tithes issues without joining the sweeping sweat wave in teaching tithes falsehood benefits acclaimed. The way some have reacted vilely to those who are opposed to tithe as a doctrinal falsehood for Christians shows well from the comfort of their hearts that they are deeply dismayed and battered by the truth and have realized they are known on cheating on tithes fortunes acclaimed. It befit us well to be called Christians of low estate with little minds rattling for we have not been soothed smoothly cool to support tithes falsehood taught in order for us to fit perfectly in the will of Jesus Christ with no regrets. We are satisfied with what God has provided us without gains of falsehood. We do not clamor for glamorous wealth of falsehood taught. They have stood as heroes in championing tithing as a way getting blessings for Christians from God which we have totally disagreed with them which they took as affront to their spiritual dignity clout. They have degraded the Royal Priesthood of Christ and nullified grace and love of Christ to themselves. We are aware there are spiritual babies on milk and feeble who are tossed to and fro by every kind of doctrines who have not come to the full knowledge of truth. It will be unjust to us if do not take spiritual care of them and love them in Christ’s love, Hebrew5: 13-14.
Those asking for revelation on tithes are asking for undeserved free room of manipulation to lie. Their theoretical assumption on tithes as the only easy way of meeting Church needs requirements through tithes justified falsehood taught to Christians saved by grace deserve spiritual analyses with no regrets. Blessing and curses dealt with in tithes in old covenant are clear to those who seek truth in clear knowledge of wisdom. The same is theoretically assumed and taught on Abel offering being accepted because he offered animal sacrifice and burnt fats as sweat savor to God. Cain offering was not accepted just because were seeds and fruits. Abel chose the best and considered the even age of his sacrifice offered to God. No special sacrificial preparation on Cain offering was dedicated to God. Cain did not pay deserved attention on what he offered to sacrifice to God. God told him if he did well his offering would be accepted. God did not tell Cain to replace his offering with animal sacrifice. He was to do well to his offering for his acceptance and offering. Genesis 4:1–7. Cain offering had no respect for God and God had no regards for it. CEREALS AND FRUITS WERE NOT REMOVED FROM BEING OFFERED IN THE OLD COVENANT.
THEY LIE IN WAIT TO DECEIVE MANY UNSUSPECTING BELIEVERS NOT KNOWING WHAT THEIR ARE TAUGHT MANY TIMES HAD BEEN DISCUSSED IN COUNCILS OF MEN FOR UNIFORMITY AND NOT WITH THE HOLLY SPIRIT. IF TITHES WERE TO BE APPLICABLE AND JUSTIFIABLE IN THE NEW COVENANT ,ALL TITHES SHOULD BE SHARED EQUALLY AMONG ALL BRETHREN SINCE WE ARE THE ROYAL PRIESTS MINISTERING THE NEW COVENANT. The tithe burden is not for Christians . Let Bishops ,Pastors, Priests and Church Elders handle the Church of Christ within Christians doctrines established by Our Lord Jesus Christ and His Apostles in the mission field vision. CHRISTIANS MUST FACE AND ADDRESS THE MASS SWEEPING AND SOOTHING FALSEHOOD TAUGHT BY SOME WELL EDUCATED ELITE CHRISTIANS ABOUT TITHES BENEFITS AND BLESSINGS IN A SOBER SPIRITUAL REALITY FACE OUT. Tithes teaching is unexpected real falsehood investment from those held dearly in trust by many Christians who regard them us spiritual leaders. The situation becomes more murky and tricky when church elders are accomplished in the classic falsehood which puts the church into mental slavery. The Royal Priesthood in grace is quite different from Leviticus Priesthood under the law. Leviticus Priesthood in the old covenant belonged to the Levite tribe among the eleven tribes in Israel but the Royal Priesthood in the new covenant under oppression and suppression belongs to all brethren in the world in Christ Jesus ( the Church being the bride of Christ / the body of Christ) who are able ministers of the new covenant commissioned to preach to the world.
Irrelevant testimonies are given of blessed Christians even who gave beyond 70% and remained richly blessed to encourage giving beyond 10% for more blessings. Having given 70% and being left with 30% translates to millions of dollars left for their personal use. The same 70% if applied by Christians of minimal income will leave them in the cold without basics needs requirements being meet. They have encouraged Christians even to give beyond the law requirement to appear more spiritual. This is bound to impoverish Christians who will appear to have enmity with God in their old age. When the some Governments taxation is at 30% and the pastors at 10% without being end of requirement to give, almost 50% income is gone from the Christians who are offered weekly prayers for prosperity and blessings. How committed will these Christians be us Royal Priests to the great commission at grass root levels? Tithing is more emphasized to salaries without shame. Some have tragically wished Christians not to be employed who do not tithe to them. It would be sheer spiritual tragedy for Christians to become submissive hopeful prisoners under falsehood taught by the humble ever promising Leviticus clergy blinded by veil in bondage under law in the old covenant, Galatians 31-13, Galatians 5:1. Christians cannot buy salvation from the hands of the clergy under yard stick of salvation justification in tithes set by the clergy.
It is quite easy to justify tithes falsehood based on easily acquired wealth which meet the church needs which operates under Leviticus Priesthood. The Royal Priesthood in grace is quite different from Leviticus Priesthood under the law. Leviticus Priesthood in the old covenant belonged to the Levite tribe among the eleven tribes in Israel but the Royal Priesthood in the new covenant under oppression and suppression belongs to all brethren in the world in Christ Jesus ( the Church / the body of Christ) who are ministers of the new covenant commissioned to preach to the world. The Royal Priesthood is well placed to reach the world more effectively at close quarters in Christ love and glory expected. It is quite unfortunate that Christians unknowingly are victims of systematic unmarked high professional intellectual falsehood commercialization cover up in tithes teaching by learned elites Christians brethren which is a total disservice to the (Church) body of Christ. But Christians have been warned not to be fools since for some preaching and teaching falsehood is a smart act energetically engaged and Christians are openly conned .Ephesians 5:15-16. Tithing under law impoverishes the Royal Priesthood of Christ physically and spiritually which make the Great commission less effective. When all saved Christians are in Royal Priesthood, to whom do you tithe to in the in New Covenant? The Royal Priesthood needs to take its place in Christian missions empowered in New Covenant for Christians to work in glory of Christ love intended for the body of Christ. It quite clear from the Bible that there is no perfection and justification under works of the law. Galatians 2:16- 21, Galatians 3:8-13,Galatians 4;4-5, Galatians 5:1,18. Hebrew 10;8-9. Jesus Christ and his twelve disciples did not ask for tithes but only comments were made on tithes under the law. As early church had needs equally relevant to their time and did not ask for tithes, we too have needs relevant to our time which require sacrificial offerings to solve problems but no through tithes offerings under the law with a curse. Saved Christians ( The Body of Christ /Church/ Royal Priests) are able ministers of the new testament of the spirit and not of the law which is not sorely the burden of the clergy as some would like us to believe in their theoretical tithes justification deceit support for the clergy and meeting Church needs requirements, 2Corithians 3:6 .
A fountain cannot produce sweet and bitter water the same time. James 3:8-18. A new piece of cloth does not patch an old cloth nor do men put new wine in old bottles. Matthew 9:16-17. And with the priesthood changed there was need of changing the law governing it. Our royal priesthood in Christ Jesus is not after law of carnal commandment but after power of endless life Hebrews 7:7-26 .We Christian are saved by GRACE IN CHRIST LOVE(Spiritual Law) for we cannot be subjected to carnal law of sin and death crucified and done away by Christ on cross of Calvary. We are subjected to spiritual law of life in New Covenant in Christ Jesus and ought to have the spiritual understanding of the Word of God in liberty without corrupting the Word of God. Roman 8:1-2, Colossians 1:9-10. As God has blessed us in common inheritance of the saints, we should give sacrificially as we have purposed in our hearts in liberty and in love, Galatians 5:1, 2Corinthians 9;6-7, Galatians 6:6-7, Hebrew6:6-12,Hebrew13:11-16. Christ taught spiritual giving to God and to our parents, Luke 6:8 ,Matthew15:5-9. Paul also taught the same .2Corinthians 9:6-14, Philippians 2:4-5. Aaron was given unto Moses, the Levite priests were given unto Aaron, the eleven tribes of Israel were given unto Levite tribe to serve them but we Christians are purchased through the blood of Christ we are no man servants but servants of Christ 1Corinthians 7:21-2 ,God is our Father and our readily help in times of needs and not men. We are warned not to call any man our father in the spirit. Mathew23:9. Some have made men their fathers and call them fathers turning them their gods on earth. Numbers 3:9-15.
No servant can hinder children access to the Father and His blessed inheritance. Are pastors, priest and Bishops in the Royal Priesthood of Christ or are in the Leviticus priesthood? Who coordinate pastors only to work for Christ for a living. Apostles of Christ worked with their own hands for a living and for preaching the Gospel of Christ. All saved Christians are servants of Christ in the Royal Priesthood of Christ. Do we make the spiritual understanding between the Leviticus Priesthood under the law and the Royal Priesthood in grace in the New Covenant or do we mix the two distinctive priesthoods cunningly for selfish gain to eliminate the so called clergy poverty and mess up with the doctrine of salvation in Grace? Christ gave some apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and some teachers for the perfecting of saint in the work of the ministry for edifying the( church) body of Christ so us not to be deceived Ephesians4:11-19. Who set aside and allocated poverty and tithes to the pastors in preaching the Gospel of Christ since those who preach the Gospel (Christians/Royal priests) shall live by the Gospel or who bear the burden of mercy for the clergy to teach and preach falsehood on tithes for them not to be poor? When did they become pastors in poverty for the church to eliminate their poverty? Christians should share their wealth with the clergy willingly in Christ love but not in law. We are saved by Grace in Christ’s love and our sharing should be in love. We saved Christians are not justified by the law. Galatians 2:21. We saved Christians are High priest and servants of Christ Jesus in the Royal Priesthood of the Saints. Why do many talk about key poverty of pastors on tithes among the five fold ministry? Where is their care and concerns for the other four ministries and for the High Priest( Church) as they vouched for tithes not for the benefit of the body of Christ? This has brought a flood gate of preaching entrepreneurship boom diligently anchored by many on salvation under yardstick of tithes obligation. Some have spoken from the pulpit of brethren who don’t allow them eat tithes from their labor. Do they preach and teach for souls to be saved or for economic gains in tithes eating? Are they in LEVITICUS PRIESTHOOD or in THE ROYAL PRIESTHOOD OF JESUS CHRIST? A GENUINE ANSWER IS REQUIRED FOR NON DOUBLE STANDARD DOCTRINAL FAITH. For Christians it should be precepts upon precepts without contradictions under Royal Priesthood of Christ Jesus.
Should the pastors ministry overshadow other ministries? All ministries should work as one body in the body of Christ. Foot soldiers who support falsehood on tithes preaching and teaching are calling Christians who do not support tithing to ask for forgiveness or leave the church in a face saving cover up but we are not moved. They have stood as heroes of faith in tithes teachings falsehood. Christians bear no apology to no one for preaching and teaching the truth . Only those who preach and teach falsehoods are hurt by the truth. Christians should not be coaxed by great promises and deadly threats hedged in none doctrinal falsehoods promises taught in guarded personal ego gains. With God, the means justify the end in Jesus Christ. Christians should not be hoodwinked by GROANING DELIVERY OF FALSEHOOD AND THE GLORY associated with the fruits of falsehood benefits . As we speak on the falsehood on the doctrine of tithing for Christians, we have not closed our eyes to the needs of the Church nor have buried our heads in the sand devoid of understanding of our emotions to face the truth. We stand for truth aware of forces against the truth within the Church and outside the Church. We have been asked to ask for forgiveness for not supporting tithing without being told from whom to apply for forgiveness. We do not pursue and preserve justified falsehoods which meet easily the needs of the Church for with God, the means justify the end in Christ.
We are told we point an accusing finger to the clergy on issues concerning tithes falsehoods. We are part of the body of Christ and no part of the body accuses other parts. All body parts coordinate in functions and take care of one another when giving our body parts that are not comely more honor .We only pin point doctrinal falsehood taught by clergy thus taking care of the body of Christ spiritually in love. We do not waver in our minds and hearts in our stand on tithes issues. If one is stuck in sticky clay of falsehood, us a Christian one has to owner up and warm up to the truth and shape up to be free in did. We are fully aware of glorious unstable spiritual empires built on quick sand by men through falsehood under threat from the truth. If the empires fall apart there is no loss for Christians to worry about for apology. We are warned of danger of teaching and preaching the truth by exposing ourselves to well organized affluent churches of able humble men. We stand for Christ in life and death without shame in removing the dark cloud of falsehood taught on tithes. Well organized fruitful falsehoods from those in authority do not translate to truth and righteousness, 2 Corinthians11:13-14.
Those under the law are under curse and the law kills 2 Corinthians 3:6. Those lead by the Spirit are not under law and curses Galatians5: 6, Galatians 3:8-13. Christians are redeemed from the curse of the law to adoption of sons . Roman 8:1-17,Galatians4:4- 5. We saved Christians are not under law but under spiritual law of love in grace Roman6:13-14.Are they telling Christians curses under law are blessings for them or they have powers to remove curses when Christians tithe to them? Christians must remain spiritually alert and be not be spiritually blind, They have directed Christians to deceptive ways of curses for their own benefits and not blessings. The bounty of terror of deceptive covetousness is professionally tactically presented as blessing based on salvation under yard stick of tithes. Many pastors have illegally allocated all tithes to themselves. Tithes were for specifics needs under old covenant for specific people help. Apostles of CHRIST did not use concealed deceptive covetousness to preach the Gospel,1Thessalonians2:3-6.We should renounce hidden things of dishonesty and not walk craftily handling the Word of God deceitfully 2Corithians 4:1-2. In tithes teaching the clergy makes spot of the needs for the better faultless New Covenant in obtained excellent ministry established upon better promises which has specific intended goals in Love by Grace in Jesus Christ. Hebrew 8:6-8. Christians are Spiritually born in the new Covenant by Grace in Love in Christ Jesus.
The body of CHRIST has been subjected to doctrinal mess by Levite priests and Levite pastors. TITHE IS A PURE CLASSIC SLEEK DOCTRINAL FALSEHOOD FOR CHRISTIANS CULTIVATED IN UNMATCHED PERSONAL CONCEALED ZEAL BY PASTORS IN LEADERSHIP FOR PERSONAL INTERESTS AND GAINS WHO UNDERSTAND UNIVERSALLY ON TITHES AND SALVATION AND FAIL TO APPRECIATE THE TIME OF LAW AND THE TIME OF GRACE DISPENSATION. In willful deception by calling themselves the Levites of today who persecuted Christians and plunder Christians pockets today they are able to demand to be given tithes. Levites priests and elders never gave a helping hand to Christians. Christ did not leave His Church under Leviticus Priesthood and no Levite priest was chosen as His Apostle . Leviticus Priesthood is forced on the throats of Christians by pastors for perfectly concealed selfish interests and gains. Do they want to tell us that Christ and Apostles of Christ forgot to ask for tithes during the early formative stage of Christian Ministry. When we take the Word of God out of its content and contest ,we have contempt for the Word of God. He (GOD)who brought tithing under the Old Covenant took it away in His(CHRIST) own Divine rights( after the order of Melchisedec ) in the new Covenant. Perfection is in grace and not in law. Hebrew7: 7-26, Hebrew8:6-13 Hebrew9:1-27 Hebrew10:1-23. Leviticus Priesthood is impressive to many since it involves waiting at the sanctuary for provision and serving only at the altar of sacrifice. The order of Melchisedec was in Melchisedec Himself and existed before any tithe was offered. It is erroneously taught that tithes taught in the Old Covenant and comments made on tithes in the New Covenant in reference to Old Covenant sum up to uphold to tithe for Christians in order of Melchisedec which some teachings made suggest the order of Melchisedec in modeled on tithes. Now where is indicated in the Holly Bible that Abraham redeemed his first born sons Ishmael and Isaac when they were born since he operated in faith in God and not under the law. The law is not of faith. We are saved by grace from all sins of iniquities.
We can preach the Word of God quoting scriptures like the devil when he tested Jesus or quote the scriptures like CHRIST when He answered satan in time of need. Matthew 4:1-11. Jesus did not say Amen to satan for quoting the scripture. Jesus Christ taught men can teach commandments of men for doctrines. Mathew15:5-9. This addressed falsehood which can come from those in authority in the Church ( bishops, pastors, priest and elders) leadership. We can have a zeal of faith and commitment to establish our own righteousness not according to righteousness of God in the knowledge of his Word. Roman 10:1-4. Pastors and priests calling themselves Levites today have capitalized on low level of Christian doctrinal knowledge teachings among Christians. Tithing contradict the doctrine of salvation by GRACE and deprive the Christians in Loyal Priesthood in Christ Jesus the individual empowerment to do the Great Commission. When we are loyal Priests and the bride Of Christ to whom do we tithe to? Is it not even if it were in Natural world for servants to tithe to Loyal Priests? Pastors Priest and Bishops are also in the Loyal Priesthood of Jesus Christ all of us being sons and servants composing the body of Christ unless they exclude themselves. The underlying mystery is to deliver the Church of Christ in concealed form to Leviticus Priesthood for Priests ,Pastor and Bishops to enable them demand tithes. Mathew15:5-9.
We can preach the Word of God making the Church a house of merchandise to make merchandise of Christians and those who do so whose God is their belly which made Adam and Eve to fail in their relationship with God. It is a lucrative profitable business based on arithmetic of numbers cunningly preserved with tactical appreciations to the body of Christ and spreading of the Gospel. Are elect Christians easily deceived out of their wits? Romans 16:17 -19 ,2 Peter 2:1-3, John 2:16, Philppians3:17-19. We can preach Christ out of envy, strife or of good will. Philippians 1:15-17,2Corinthians4:1-2. It is the body of Christ the Church which is sent to preach to the world also as individuals brethren bearing the burden to preach to the world as Apostles of Christ did. The responsibility has not been on shoulders of priests and pastors only. Brethren are the loyal priests and ambassadors of Christ and has committed unto us the Church the word of reconciliation, 2 Corinthians :19-20. THERE WERE NO FENCE SITTINGS AND ARE NO FENCE SITTINGS IN THE NEW COVENANT MINISTRY MEDIATED BY OUR APOSTLE AND THE HIGH PRIEST OF OUR FAITH LORD JESUS CHRIST. Apostles labored with their hand to provide for preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ and Christians’ offerings they received were not tithes. No one is specially chosen to be at receiving end of tithes so as to preach worldwide the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We saved Christians are the Loyal Priests AND Ambassadors of Jesus Christ.2 Peter 2:1-9, 2 Corinthians5:14-20. The preaching of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is not entirely sorely in the hands of clergy. It is in the hands of the (Church in Loyal Priesthood) believers composing the body of Jesus Christ.
Tithing is a hard topic to teach without spiritual understanding since we have many high profile elite preachers teaching on the same with books written of great hoped promises and condemnation on the same for those who do not tithe, Ephesians 5:6-7, 1Thessalonians 2:3-4. Some well educated elite Christians are involved in deceptive teaching on tithes which is warmly appreciated from the pulpit. They are the magnetizing force with alluring great hoped blessed promises of wealth based on tithes. When will it dawn on them that they teach doctrine of men on tithing for Christians saved by grace. On moving from one church to another or by taking a flight from one continent to another on falsehood mission, lies taught on tithes by them cannot be justified by the sacrificial cost incurred to do so. Only when they uphold the truth and uplift Christ as they decrease and Christians stop earthly social status cult adoration in respect of human beings will truth prevails’. Pharisees and the Scribes were most well educated and Jesus said woe unto them seven times for being stumbling blocks in faith. Mathew 23:9-39. We only need to rightly divide the Word of God and know whether we are Christians seeking salvation under the law or we are Christians saved by grace in Christ through the Spiritual law of love, Corinthians 1:12-16,2 Timothy 2:15 .
We redeemed sons of God who are made Kings and priests unto God have a common inheritance in Christ Jesus, Galatians 4:4-5, Colssians1:9-14 ,1Corinthians 2:12-16. Revelation 1;4-6 .Let well educated brethren teach the Word of God the same way as learned Doctor Luke and Br. Paul did for spiritual growth of the body of Christ. Let well educated Christians stand for justice like Dr. Gamaliel who was a doctor of law who in his response rescued the apostles from eminent death in the hands of Levite priests, Acts;5:17-42. We are called spiritual sons of God after salvation not before in fallen state and who are enabled to do the righteousness that was in the law but we are not under the law. The same priests and pastors wreck the spiritual scriptures when they teach fallen Angles are called sons of God who married daughters of men giving offspring of giants , Genesis 6:1-8. God says he has never called any angles his son, Hebrew 1:4-5.When were fallen angles redeemed and sanctified to be called sons? The ownership of daughters is unto multiplied men who were referred to as sons of God and the lust to polygamous marriage was with men. Are beautiful daughters born today for men? Shall we have another episode of fallen angles marrying daughters of men before the close of age? Many have taught the Word of God outside Biblical doctrines so many are deceived in their teaching and preaching which condemn God as unjust since no judgment is passed to angles they refer to as sons of God. Also in clear essence children are being baptized Emmanuel by the clergy a state that conclude couples are giving births to their own gods, Mathew1:23, Isaih42:8.
Men dropped further from grace when they practiced polygamous marriage and their life span was reduced to one hundred and twenty years , no judgment is passed to purposed angles they teach us sons of God. The sons of God were men who had done reconciliation to God the same way Abel had done and was accepted by God. The judgment is specifically to mankind and giants born in sin of polygamous marriage do not qualify the sons of God to be angles. God said His spirit shall not always strive with man and He saw the wickedness of man was great. This time there is no wickedness or judgment associated with angles, Genesis6:1—7.Angles are ministering spirits with no reproductive empowerment, Matthew 22:29-32, Hebrew 1:14-14.
Our relationship to God our Father is in love in our loyal priesthood to the world. Roman 8:14-17. Only those who are not sincere mix teaching under carnal law and spiritual teaching enlightenment under spiritual law. When we study the old covenant it should help us get rooted deeply in the new covenant. The devil uses the nobles, evil and false witness to do his will according to circumstances, Acts 13;50-51 Acts 6: 9-14. Christians must remain wise and not be cheated by devils workers transforming themselves as angles of light which corrupt the Word of God in tithes, 2Corinthians2:17, 2Corinthians11: 13-15. Levites Pastor, Priests and some Christians misquote Jesus Christ on judgment. Judge not that you may be not judged . Matthew7:1-5. Jesus taught you shall be subjected to same measure you use on others? There no room for zero judgment in Jesus Christ Teachings. They say God prohibit judgment which is not true since it is based on taking the scripture out of content and contest on understanding Jesus statement. It has given them a highway of teaching lies without being questioned. They have separated themselves from the body of Christ to ideal entity who cannot be censured. Shall you close your eyes to evils committed that they may not judge you. Do you buy yourself freedom from being judged for not condemning evil or commenting on anything positive or negative even on tithes for Christians. The preaching of the Word of God is based on judgment on sins and righteousness .
God requires from us righteous judgment in wisdom and in love which condemn sins which leads man to repentant of sins and redemption. The Word of God in its content and contest states judgment on sins and righteousness. Christians are saved by grace in Christ’s love and our judgment must remain under Spiritual law of love in Grace that leads to redemption and under perfect law of liberty to do righteousness in Christ love, James 1:20-25, James2:10-26. Thus to him that knows to do good in liberty and does not do it is sin to him, James 4:15. Bro James taught us to avoid judgment under carnal law that brings condemnation without redemption. Those who live under law shall face judgment without mercy for no man shall be justified by the works of the law,Galatians2:16-21 . All living beings and organic life are in constant judgment for existent. If we can stop all processes of judgments life will come to a standstill and ultimate death with final judgment of decay. Life and all creation were established in good judgment by God and close of age shall end in judgment to eternal life or eternal death which is eternal life of suffering and separation from God. Genesis 1:1-31, Genesis 2:1-25. Even our bodies judge us out of energy and we hunger for food and thirst for water. All witty discoveries are results of acknowledgment of positive judgments on well active coordinated principals. Christians are encouraged to solve cases in judgment among themselves. 1Corinthians 6:1-7.
The Bible encourages us that our love may abound yet more in knowledge and in all Judgment and we judge ourselves dead in Christ, 2 Corinthians5:14 ,Philippians 1:9-12. We are encouraged to be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment, I Corinthians 1:10. Life is in active constant judgments and the creation mourns for final judgment which it shall be subjected by God. We relate in evaluation to all things in judgment. What we known and do not know is based on judgment. What we believe right or wrong even on tithes is based on judgment. Irrespective of any judgment delivered on us on tithes teaching we should deliver the Heavenly Kingdom judgment to sins. We saved Christians are counted and judged worthy to suffer tribulations together with Christ when we live a Christian life in love ,Revelation Chapter1,2 and3. We thus judge ourselves dead to sin in Christ Jesus. We cannot stop delivering Heavenly Judgments to buy ourselves freedom from being judged. From time of old God requires true judgment in love with mercy, Zechariah 7:8-10.
Without a sense of judgmental evaluation of good, evil or bad would never exist for humanity and humanity would enter into a void valueless state in life. Even when others say do not judge others , that statement bear judgment in itself. Our appreciation is in judgment. There are may be those who preach tithing to saved Christians for lack of spiritual understanding. We should girdle up the loins of our minds as the knowledgeable wise sharers of the Word of God . 1Peter :13-15.Roman 10:1-4. We shall be off the hook of being cornered, soothed talked with good words and fair speeches of great non Christian’s doctrinal promises by those who serve their own belly, Roman16:17-19, 2 Corinthians11:13-15, 2Timothy4:3-4. When we stand for truth we build the body of Jesus Christ, in contradiction to accusation of bringing down the church. Those feelings of pulling down the Church were there when PENTECOSTAL AND EVANGELICAL Movements came in into play. The cleansing bloom of truth and righteousness has pulled down the tower of falsehood on tithes taught. Those blinded by the vail in the old Testament who cannot bear the Holy Bible Doctrine for Christians giving of purposed good measure from heart according as God has blessed one condemn themselves, 2Corinthians 9:6-9, Luke 6:38, 2Corinthians 3:6-17. A pressing need of meeting Church requirements is cunningly hedged in as the justification for tithes without spiritual care. God supplied the early Church needs without tithes so well is done even today. In truth the Church grows stronger, regrets and dismay are removed from our Spiritual Christian life growth since we do not wear the white coat of hypocritical harm. The storm of tithe falsehood is halted and bears no apology. When we expose falsehood as God is clear in HIS Word that we Christians should be spiritually awake and aware of false preaching and teaching, we shy not being falsely accused. God bless us in abundant grace of spiritual revelation and spiritual understanding of His Holy Word, Colssians1:9-14, Ephesians 5:6 -7,1Thessalonians 2:3-6, 2Timothy2:15, 2Timothy 2:24-26 . Amen I am happily blessed to interact with you on spiritual teachings. Hope we shall search more scriptures for our beneficial spiritual growth . Yearning to receive your input on the topic .God bless you. The message is freely given purely to the body of JESUS CHRIST worldwide.
By Br. Robert Munyui Kamunyu

I so agree I have been in a big church here in New Mexico we gave as faithful as we could we went wrong by not putting our names. My husband and I really believe in giving without having to be known. No strings attached a cheerful giver. So when the acconamy went bad my husband was out of work. I can not work I am disabled. The big church would not help because we were not members because we didn’t thith. No record of our giving.