Cameras catch more speeders - rise of 50 per cent in five years

SPEED cameras are catching over 50 per cent more drivers in Oxfordshire than they did five years ago, with one bringing in £1,173 every day in potential fines.

Today the Oxford Mail can reveal which cameras catch the most motorists and how many tickets they each dish out.

Speeding drivers have been fined more than £13m in the last five years after the cameras flashed 217,358 times – each flash representing a £60 fine.

The Thames Valley Police figures, obtained through the Freedom of Information Act, show in 2013 cameras caught 59,217 drivers – 53 per cent more than the 38,664 drivers caught out in 2009.

A camera on the A34 southbound near Wytham last year caught out 7,138 drivers and generated a potential £428,280 in fines – the equivalent of £1,173 every day.

The A34 southbound at Wytham.

Nicci Saunders became an ambassador for road safety charity Brake, after her partner Joe Wilkins was killed on his bike in 2012 in Eaton Road between Eynsham and Appleton.

Last night the 41-year-old said the new figures showed drivers could not get away with speeding, but she said it was concerning to see so many breaking the law.

But she said: “If it changes somebody when they have been caught and makes them think about their driving then that has to be worth it.”

Drivers can avoid speeding fines if they opt to take a speed awareness course.

Mark McArthur Christie, a Bampton-based road safety commentator, said the rise was down to speed limits being lowered.

He said: “Drivers do not drive to a number on the stick, they drive to the speed that feels right to them and safer for them on a particular road. The last thing we want is drivers driving by numbers.”

The most prolific camera in Oxford was one in Woodstock Road which has caught 7,109 drivers over the last five years – leading to £462,540 being handed out in fines.

Road safety campaigner Ted Dewan, of Beech Croft Road in Summertown, said he was not surprised as it was a wide open road and close to the high speeds of the ring road.

Road safety campaigner Ted Dewan.

The father-of-one, 53, said it was a shame speed cameras were needed to slow drivers down and said it would be better if roads were designed to keep the traffic calm.

He said: “I am glad they are effective. The only thing that depresses me is they create this sense that it is a punishment.”

After three children and a student died in a crash on the Eastern Bypass in 2005, relatives campaigned for the speed limit to be cut to 50mph. Over the last five years cameras caught out 7,068 motorists.

Chief Inspector Henry Parsons, head of the roads policing team, said: “The reason for this rise is because we are focusing our resources on sites where there are real safety risks or concerns have been raised by the community.

“We very much hope this has contributed to Oxfordshire’s roads being safer than ever.”

The county’s speed cameras were turned off in August 2010 to save Oxfordshire County Council cash, but turned back on eight months later.

During that time 18 people died, compared to 12 deaths in the same period the year before, the first rise in four years.

Nineteen people died on Oxfordshire roads last year, compared to 30 in 2009.

County council spokesman Paul Smith said: “There is good evidence that measures to reduce speeds, including speed cameras, are effective in reducing the number and severity of accidents.”

Fixed penalty charges are £60 though some of those caught may forego the fine by attending a speed awareness course costing £95 or go to court. The money goes to the Treasury.

Go to ow.ly/3jFvlG for an interactive map of speed camera sites and the tickets issued.

Comments

HomerSimpsonDoh
10:11am Mon 28 Apr 14

"After three children and a student died in a crash on the Eastern Bypass in 2005, relatives campaigned for the speed limit to be cut to 50mph."
This accident had NOTHING to do with speed, yet the speed limit was reduced!
That is why many of the speed limits are ignored, because they are there for rasing money only. The Woodstock road camera was placed in a postion where it will catch the most people, not because of road safety.

"After three children and a student died in a crash on the Eastern Bypass in 2005, relatives campaigned for the speed limit to be cut to 50mph."
This accident had NOTHING to do with speed, yet the speed limit was reduced!
That is why many of the speed limits are ignored, because they are there for rasing money only. The Woodstock road camera was placed in a postion where it will catch the most people, not because of road safety.HomerSimpsonDoh

"After three children and a student died in a crash on the Eastern Bypass in 2005, relatives campaigned for the speed limit to be cut to 50mph."
This accident had NOTHING to do with speed, yet the speed limit was reduced!
That is why many of the speed limits are ignored, because they are there for rasing money only. The Woodstock road camera was placed in a postion where it will catch the most people, not because of road safety.

Score: 19

Geoff Roberts
10:47am Mon 28 Apr 14

"Today the Oxford Mail can reveal which cameras catch the most motorists and how many tickets they each dish out."

So now drivers can avoid the cameras and speed on roads that don't have them.

Hollow Way for example, there's no law enforcement there, actually most of Cowley really. No problem with me writing this though because the majority of drivers are already speeding and not just a few over the limit either. The police do know this and said before the new 20 MPH limit was put in place that they couldn't enforce the law.

So, TVP. Get out there and enforce the road laws. Bad drivers are ruining communities and lives and the police and council are allowing it.

Also worth noting the hundreds of vehicles every week that are running red lights (partly because of the timing, partly because they can get away with it) and going across crossing showing safe to cross in places like Garsington Road. Interestingly, despite rules around insurance, it tends to be older people ignoring the rules. Many a time I've had a fairly elderly person driving at me whilst I' crossing a safe crossing. The county council are aware of the problem, they are aware there's a timing issue at the junction of Hollow Way and Garsington Road but the county council is ignoring it it seems. If there's a accident because of it, then I will hold the county council and the police responsible.

"Today the Oxford Mail can reveal which cameras catch the most motorists and how many tickets they each dish out."
So now drivers can avoid the cameras and speed on roads that don't have them.
Hollow Way for example, there's no law enforcement there, actually most of Cowley really. No problem with me writing this though because the majority of drivers are already speeding and not just a few over the limit either. The police do know this and said before the new 20 MPH limit was put in place that they couldn't enforce the law.
So, TVP. Get out there and enforce the road laws. Bad drivers are ruining communities and lives and the police and council are allowing it.
Also worth noting the hundreds of vehicles every week that are running red lights (partly because of the timing, partly because they can get away with it) and going across crossing showing safe to cross in places like Garsington Road. Interestingly, despite rules around insurance, it tends to be older people ignoring the rules. Many a time I've had a fairly elderly person driving at me whilst I' crossing a safe crossing. The county council are aware of the problem, they are aware there's a timing issue at the junction of Hollow Way and Garsington Road but the county council is ignoring it it seems. If there's a accident because of it, then I will hold the county council and the police responsible.Geoff Roberts

"Today the Oxford Mail can reveal which cameras catch the most motorists and how many tickets they each dish out."

So now drivers can avoid the cameras and speed on roads that don't have them.

Hollow Way for example, there's no law enforcement there, actually most of Cowley really. No problem with me writing this though because the majority of drivers are already speeding and not just a few over the limit either. The police do know this and said before the new 20 MPH limit was put in place that they couldn't enforce the law.

So, TVP. Get out there and enforce the road laws. Bad drivers are ruining communities and lives and the police and council are allowing it.

Also worth noting the hundreds of vehicles every week that are running red lights (partly because of the timing, partly because they can get away with it) and going across crossing showing safe to cross in places like Garsington Road. Interestingly, despite rules around insurance, it tends to be older people ignoring the rules. Many a time I've had a fairly elderly person driving at me whilst I' crossing a safe crossing. The county council are aware of the problem, they are aware there's a timing issue at the junction of Hollow Way and Garsington Road but the county council is ignoring it it seems. If there's a accident because of it, then I will hold the county council and the police responsible.

Score: -3

Geoff Roberts
10:50am Mon 28 Apr 14

"That is why many of the speed limits are ignored, because they are there for rasing money only."

That's utter rubbish. They can't be there for raising money when the police have been unable to enforce the laws in most places. If they were there to raise money then we'd be rolling in it by now considering the sheer scale of speeding in some places.

"That is why many of the speed limits are ignored, because they are there for rasing money only."
That's utter rubbish. They can't be there for raising money when the police have been unable to enforce the laws in most places. If they were there to raise money then we'd be rolling in it by now considering the sheer scale of speeding in some places.Geoff Roberts

"That is why many of the speed limits are ignored, because they are there for rasing money only."

That's utter rubbish. They can't be there for raising money when the police have been unable to enforce the laws in most places. If they were there to raise money then we'd be rolling in it by now considering the sheer scale of speeding in some places.

Score: -15

Geoff Roberts
10:50am Mon 28 Apr 14

That's besides the fact that the changes were called for by ordinary people, not the authorities.

That's besides the fact that the changes were called for by ordinary people, not the authorities.Geoff Roberts

That's besides the fact that the changes were called for by ordinary people, not the authorities.

Score: -10

Geoff Roberts
10:54am Mon 28 Apr 14

Here's what Cowley police have to say about driving offences:

"Traffic offences - parking and speeding. Parking issues around Cranmer Road, outside the Corner Public House and around St. Francis School. Speeding is just a perception."

http://www.thamesval
ley.police.uk/yournh
-tvp-pol-area-n449

That's right people, because TVP can't enforce the speeding laws, they've decided to not deal with it by telling us we're imagining it.

Here's what Cowley police have to say about driving offences:
"Traffic offences - parking and speeding. Parking issues around Cranmer Road, outside the Corner Public House and around St. Francis School. Speeding is just a perception."
http://www.thamesval
ley.police.uk/yournh
-tvp-pol-area-n449
That's right people, because TVP can't enforce the speeding laws, they've decided to not deal with it by telling us we're imagining it.Geoff Roberts

Here's what Cowley police have to say about driving offences:

"Traffic offences - parking and speeding. Parking issues around Cranmer Road, outside the Corner Public House and around St. Francis School. Speeding is just a perception."

http://www.thamesval
ley.police.uk/yournh
-tvp-pol-area-n449

That's right people, because TVP can't enforce the speeding laws, they've decided to not deal with it by telling us we're imagining it.

Score: 3

Geoff Roberts
10:55am Mon 28 Apr 14

So I step outside my house to find the Panda house delivery guys wheel spinning off or speeding to halt, I'm just imagining it. Or when I saw a car, possibly a Suburu, actually leave the ground, I was imagining it.

So I step outside my house to find the Panda house delivery guys wheel spinning off or speeding to halt, I'm just imagining it. Or when I saw a car, possibly a Suburu, actually leave the ground, I was imagining it.Geoff Roberts

So I step outside my house to find the Panda house delivery guys wheel spinning off or speeding to halt, I'm just imagining it. Or when I saw a car, possibly a Suburu, actually leave the ground, I was imagining it.

Score: -10

Geoff Roberts
11:27am Mon 28 Apr 14

Revenge voting.

Revenge voting.Geoff Roberts

Revenge voting.

Score: -10

Accelebrate
1:01pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Geoff Roberts wrote…

So I step outside my house to find the Panda house delivery guys wheel spinning off or speeding to halt, I'm just imagining it. Or when I saw a car, possibly a Suburu, actually leave the ground, I was imagining it.

I doubt an isolated speed camera or occasional Police enforcement would have much of an impact on the antisocial driving of local delivery drivers. Have you tried a polite conversation with the manager of the takeaway?

[quote][p][bold]Geoff Roberts[/bold] wrote:
So I step outside my house to find the Panda house delivery guys wheel spinning off or speeding to halt, I'm just imagining it. Or when I saw a car, possibly a Suburu, actually leave the ground, I was imagining it.[/p][/quote]I doubt an isolated speed camera or occasional Police enforcement would have much of an impact on the antisocial driving of local delivery drivers. Have you tried a polite conversation with the manager of the takeaway?Accelebrate

Geoff Roberts wrote…

So I step outside my house to find the Panda house delivery guys wheel spinning off or speeding to halt, I'm just imagining it. Or when I saw a car, possibly a Suburu, actually leave the ground, I was imagining it.

I doubt an isolated speed camera or occasional Police enforcement would have much of an impact on the antisocial driving of local delivery drivers. Have you tried a polite conversation with the manager of the takeaway?

Score: 8

len lewis
1:06pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Geoff Roberts wrote…

"Today the Oxford Mail can reveal which cameras catch the most motorists and how many tickets they each dish out."

So now drivers can avoid the cameras and speed on roads that don't have them.

Hollow Way for example, there's no law enforcement there, actually most of Cowley really. No problem with me writing this though because the majority of drivers are already speeding and not just a few over the limit either. The police do know this and said before the new 20 MPH limit was put in place that they couldn't enforce the law.

So, TVP. Get out there and enforce the road laws. Bad drivers are ruining communities and lives and the police and council are allowing it.

Also worth noting the hundreds of vehicles every week that are running red lights (partly because of the timing, partly because they can get away with it) and going across crossing showing safe to cross in places like Garsington Road. Interestingly, despite rules around insurance, it tends to be older people ignoring the rules. Many a time I've had a fairly elderly person driving at me whilst I' crossing a safe crossing. The county council are aware of the problem, they are aware there's a timing issue at the junction of Hollow Way and Garsington Road but the county council is ignoring it it seems. If there's a accident because of it, then I will hold the county council and the police responsible.

What is a safe crossing

[quote][p][bold]Geoff Roberts[/bold] wrote:
"Today the Oxford Mail can reveal which cameras catch the most motorists and how many tickets they each dish out."
So now drivers can avoid the cameras and speed on roads that don't have them.
Hollow Way for example, there's no law enforcement there, actually most of Cowley really. No problem with me writing this though because the majority of drivers are already speeding and not just a few over the limit either. The police do know this and said before the new 20 MPH limit was put in place that they couldn't enforce the law.
So, TVP. Get out there and enforce the road laws. Bad drivers are ruining communities and lives and the police and council are allowing it.
Also worth noting the hundreds of vehicles every week that are running red lights (partly because of the timing, partly because they can get away with it) and going across crossing showing safe to cross in places like Garsington Road. Interestingly, despite rules around insurance, it tends to be older people ignoring the rules. Many a time I've had a fairly elderly person driving at me whilst I' crossing a safe crossing. The county council are aware of the problem, they are aware there's a timing issue at the junction of Hollow Way and Garsington Road but the county council is ignoring it it seems. If there's a accident because of it, then I will hold the county council and the police responsible.[/p][/quote]What is a safe crossinglen lewis

Geoff Roberts wrote…

"Today the Oxford Mail can reveal which cameras catch the most motorists and how many tickets they each dish out."

So now drivers can avoid the cameras and speed on roads that don't have them.

Hollow Way for example, there's no law enforcement there, actually most of Cowley really. No problem with me writing this though because the majority of drivers are already speeding and not just a few over the limit either. The police do know this and said before the new 20 MPH limit was put in place that they couldn't enforce the law.

So, TVP. Get out there and enforce the road laws. Bad drivers are ruining communities and lives and the police and council are allowing it.

Also worth noting the hundreds of vehicles every week that are running red lights (partly because of the timing, partly because they can get away with it) and going across crossing showing safe to cross in places like Garsington Road. Interestingly, despite rules around insurance, it tends to be older people ignoring the rules. Many a time I've had a fairly elderly person driving at me whilst I' crossing a safe crossing. The county council are aware of the problem, they are aware there's a timing issue at the junction of Hollow Way and Garsington Road but the county council is ignoring it it seems. If there's a accident because of it, then I will hold the county council and the police responsible.

What is a safe crossing

Score: 7

Andrew:Oxford
1:14pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Geoff Roberts wrote…

"Today the Oxford Mail can reveal which cameras catch the most motorists and how many tickets they each dish out."

So now drivers can avoid the cameras and speed on roads that don't have them.

Hollow Way for example, there's no law enforcement there, actually most of Cowley really. No problem with me writing this though because the majority of drivers are already speeding and not just a few over the limit either. The police do know this and said before the new 20 MPH limit was put in place that they couldn't enforce the law.

So, TVP. Get out there and enforce the road laws. Bad drivers are ruining communities and lives and the police and council are allowing it.

Also worth noting the hundreds of vehicles every week that are running red lights (partly because of the timing, partly because they can get away with it) and going across crossing showing safe to cross in places like Garsington Road. Interestingly, despite rules around insurance, it tends to be older people ignoring the rules. Many a time I've had a fairly elderly person driving at me whilst I' crossing a safe crossing. The county council are aware of the problem, they are aware there's a timing issue at the junction of Hollow Way and Garsington Road but the county council is ignoring it it seems. If there's a accident because of it, then I will hold the county council and the police responsible.

Oh there is law enforcement in Hollow Way Geoff, I've often seen the police there with speed cameras.

Perhaps you've been busy doing other things.

Indeed, last time I saw the police there one chap was so angry about me sticking to 20mph after tailgating me for a while he overtook me...

The blue lights made me smile.

[quote][p][bold]Geoff Roberts[/bold] wrote:
"Today the Oxford Mail can reveal which cameras catch the most motorists and how many tickets they each dish out."
So now drivers can avoid the cameras and speed on roads that don't have them.
Hollow Way for example, there's no law enforcement there, actually most of Cowley really. No problem with me writing this though because the majority of drivers are already speeding and not just a few over the limit either. The police do know this and said before the new 20 MPH limit was put in place that they couldn't enforce the law.
So, TVP. Get out there and enforce the road laws. Bad drivers are ruining communities and lives and the police and council are allowing it.
Also worth noting the hundreds of vehicles every week that are running red lights (partly because of the timing, partly because they can get away with it) and going across crossing showing safe to cross in places like Garsington Road. Interestingly, despite rules around insurance, it tends to be older people ignoring the rules. Many a time I've had a fairly elderly person driving at me whilst I' crossing a safe crossing. The county council are aware of the problem, they are aware there's a timing issue at the junction of Hollow Way and Garsington Road but the county council is ignoring it it seems. If there's a accident because of it, then I will hold the county council and the police responsible.[/p][/quote]Oh there is law enforcement in Hollow Way Geoff, I've often seen the police there with speed cameras.
Perhaps you've been busy doing other things.
Indeed, last time I saw the police there one chap was so angry about me sticking to 20mph after tailgating me for a while he overtook me...
The blue lights made me smile.Andrew:Oxford

Geoff Roberts wrote…

"Today the Oxford Mail can reveal which cameras catch the most motorists and how many tickets they each dish out."

So now drivers can avoid the cameras and speed on roads that don't have them.

Hollow Way for example, there's no law enforcement there, actually most of Cowley really. No problem with me writing this though because the majority of drivers are already speeding and not just a few over the limit either. The police do know this and said before the new 20 MPH limit was put in place that they couldn't enforce the law.

So, TVP. Get out there and enforce the road laws. Bad drivers are ruining communities and lives and the police and council are allowing it.

Also worth noting the hundreds of vehicles every week that are running red lights (partly because of the timing, partly because they can get away with it) and going across crossing showing safe to cross in places like Garsington Road. Interestingly, despite rules around insurance, it tends to be older people ignoring the rules. Many a time I've had a fairly elderly person driving at me whilst I' crossing a safe crossing. The county council are aware of the problem, they are aware there's a timing issue at the junction of Hollow Way and Garsington Road but the county council is ignoring it it seems. If there's a accident because of it, then I will hold the county council and the police responsible.

Oh there is law enforcement in Hollow Way Geoff, I've often seen the police there with speed cameras.

Perhaps you've been busy doing other things.

Indeed, last time I saw the police there one chap was so angry about me sticking to 20mph after tailgating me for a while he overtook me...

The blue lights made me smile.

Score: 5

oxforddom
1:29pm Mon 28 Apr 14

I think the annoying thing is their top site is on the A34 southbound, where they sit on the bridge and can catch people immediately into the 50mph limit, where they might well be a little late slowing down anyway. There is very little safety benefit, just a chance to rake in money.

They should site them in 20/30mph zones like Morrell Avenue and Hollow Way where there are children, pedestrians and cyclists around so speeding is much more dangerous but the only place I've ever seen them in the city centre is Iffley Road past Donnington Bridge Road, which has very few pedestrians. They're not about safety, TVP should be ashamed as they are wasting what could be a valuable resource.

I think the annoying thing is their top site is on the A34 southbound, where they sit on the bridge and can catch people immediately into the 50mph limit, where they might well be a little late slowing down anyway. There is very little safety benefit, just a chance to rake in money.
They should site them in 20/30mph zones like Morrell Avenue and Hollow Way where there are children, pedestrians and cyclists around so speeding is much more dangerous but the only place I've ever seen them in the city centre is Iffley Road past Donnington Bridge Road, which has very few pedestrians. They're not about safety, TVP should be ashamed as they are wasting what could be a valuable resource.oxforddom

I think the annoying thing is their top site is on the A34 southbound, where they sit on the bridge and can catch people immediately into the 50mph limit, where they might well be a little late slowing down anyway. There is very little safety benefit, just a chance to rake in money.

They should site them in 20/30mph zones like Morrell Avenue and Hollow Way where there are children, pedestrians and cyclists around so speeding is much more dangerous but the only place I've ever seen them in the city centre is Iffley Road past Donnington Bridge Road, which has very few pedestrians. They're not about safety, TVP should be ashamed as they are wasting what could be a valuable resource.

Score: 14

Christine Hovis
3:18pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Good to see some enforcement.

The thing about laws, is that as part of society we agree to live by them. If we don't like them, we can campaign to have them changed. The speed laws are not just a cheerful way of earning cash for TVP, they are designed to keep us all safe. So people should be obeying the law at all time, not just when they think they'll get caught. With the few fixed cameras, clearly locals (and those with a device on their sat navs) can slow down for that bit - but they should be obeying the law anyway. That includes the 20mph zone in the bulk of the city roads.

Good to see some enforcement.
The thing about laws, is that as part of society we agree to live by them. If we don't like them, we can campaign to have them changed. The speed laws are not just a cheerful way of earning cash for TVP, they are designed to keep us all safe. So people should be obeying the law at all time, not just when they think they'll get caught. With the few fixed cameras, clearly locals (and those with a device on their sat navs) can slow down for that bit - but they should be obeying the law anyway. That includes the 20mph zone in the bulk of the city roads.Christine Hovis

Good to see some enforcement.

The thing about laws, is that as part of society we agree to live by them. If we don't like them, we can campaign to have them changed. The speed laws are not just a cheerful way of earning cash for TVP, they are designed to keep us all safe. So people should be obeying the law at all time, not just when they think they'll get caught. With the few fixed cameras, clearly locals (and those with a device on their sat navs) can slow down for that bit - but they should be obeying the law anyway. That includes the 20mph zone in the bulk of the city roads.

Score: 4

Christine Hovis
3:19pm Mon 28 Apr 14

oxforddom wrote…

I think the annoying thing is their top site is on the A34 southbound, where they sit on the bridge and can catch people immediately into the 50mph limit, where they might well be a little late slowing down anyway. There is very little safety benefit, just a chance to rake in money.

They should site them in 20/30mph zones like Morrell Avenue and Hollow Way where there are children, pedestrians and cyclists around so speeding is much more dangerous but the only place I've ever seen them in the city centre is Iffley Road past Donnington Bridge Road, which has very few pedestrians. They're not about safety, TVP should be ashamed as they are wasting what could be a valuable resource.

Good news in that they were out on Morrell Avenue last week, pulling over people as they came down the hill. Doing good business, too.

[quote][p][bold]oxforddom[/bold] wrote:
I think the annoying thing is their top site is on the A34 southbound, where they sit on the bridge and can catch people immediately into the 50mph limit, where they might well be a little late slowing down anyway. There is very little safety benefit, just a chance to rake in money.
They should site them in 20/30mph zones like Morrell Avenue and Hollow Way where there are children, pedestrians and cyclists around so speeding is much more dangerous but the only place I've ever seen them in the city centre is Iffley Road past Donnington Bridge Road, which has very few pedestrians. They're not about safety, TVP should be ashamed as they are wasting what could be a valuable resource.[/p][/quote]Good news in that they were out on Morrell Avenue last week, pulling over people as they came down the hill. Doing good business, too.Christine Hovis

oxforddom wrote…

I think the annoying thing is their top site is on the A34 southbound, where they sit on the bridge and can catch people immediately into the 50mph limit, where they might well be a little late slowing down anyway. There is very little safety benefit, just a chance to rake in money.

They should site them in 20/30mph zones like Morrell Avenue and Hollow Way where there are children, pedestrians and cyclists around so speeding is much more dangerous but the only place I've ever seen them in the city centre is Iffley Road past Donnington Bridge Road, which has very few pedestrians. They're not about safety, TVP should be ashamed as they are wasting what could be a valuable resource.

Good news in that they were out on Morrell Avenue last week, pulling over people as they came down the hill. Doing good business, too.

Score: 4

srd275
3:33pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Why don't the "safety campaingers' COME CLEAN:

HOW MANY CRASHES WERE CAUSED BY THE DRIVERS REALLY EXCEEDING THE SPEED LIMIT!

(not logged in because speeding was there BUT NOT A REASON ON THE CRASH!)

COME ON.

When the ABD years ago FOIA a speed camera in Wiltshire they disovered: http://www.thenewspa
per.com/news/05/538.
asp

Quote: According to Smith, the accident data show that only about four percent of accidents on the M4 were actually caused by exceeding a posted limit. The documents rated the most and least important contributory factors as a percentage of accidents on the M4, as follows:1.Inattentio
n: 28%
2.Failure to judge others' path or speed (i.e. poor lane-changing): 28%
3.Lack of judgment of own path: 17%
4.Fatigue: 14%
5.Careless, thoughtless or reckless behavior:14%
6.Excess speed for conditions: 14%
7.Exceeding posted speed limit: 4.2% (SafeSpeed estimate)

Whenever you hear of claims of need by scamera supporters, THEY NEVER DO LIKE TO MENTION WHAT THE CAUSES OF THOSE CRASHES REALLY WERE!

Why don't the "safety campaingers' COME CLEAN:
HOW MANY CRASHES WERE CAUSED BY THE DRIVERS REALLY EXCEEDING THE SPEED LIMIT!
(not logged in because speeding was there BUT NOT A REASON ON THE CRASH!)
COME ON.
When the ABD years ago FOIA a speed camera in Wiltshire they disovered: http://www.thenewspa
per.com/news/05/538.
asp
Quote: According to Smith, the accident data show that only about four percent of accidents on the M4 were actually caused by exceeding a posted limit. The documents rated the most and least important contributory factors as a percentage of accidents on the M4, as follows:1.Inattentio
n: 28%
2.Failure to judge others' path or speed (i.e. poor lane-changing): 28%
3.Lack of judgment of own path: 17%
4.Fatigue: 14%
5.Careless, thoughtless or reckless behavior:14%
6.Excess speed for conditions: 14%
7.Exceeding posted speed limit: 4.2% (SafeSpeed estimate)
Whenever you hear of claims of need by scamera supporters, THEY NEVER DO LIKE TO MENTION WHAT THE CAUSES OF THOSE CRASHES REALLY WERE!
How about let the voters of the UK decide the issue of scameras.
come on!
www.abd.org.uk
www.motorists.org
www.banthecams.org
camerafraud on Facebooksrd275

Why don't the "safety campaingers' COME CLEAN:

HOW MANY CRASHES WERE CAUSED BY THE DRIVERS REALLY EXCEEDING THE SPEED LIMIT!

(not logged in because speeding was there BUT NOT A REASON ON THE CRASH!)

COME ON.

When the ABD years ago FOIA a speed camera in Wiltshire they disovered: http://www.thenewspa
per.com/news/05/538.
asp

Quote: According to Smith, the accident data show that only about four percent of accidents on the M4 were actually caused by exceeding a posted limit. The documents rated the most and least important contributory factors as a percentage of accidents on the M4, as follows:1.Inattentio
n: 28%
2.Failure to judge others' path or speed (i.e. poor lane-changing): 28%
3.Lack of judgment of own path: 17%
4.Fatigue: 14%
5.Careless, thoughtless or reckless behavior:14%
6.Excess speed for conditions: 14%
7.Exceeding posted speed limit: 4.2% (SafeSpeed estimate)

Whenever you hear of claims of need by scamera supporters, THEY NEVER DO LIKE TO MENTION WHAT THE CAUSES OF THOSE CRASHES REALLY WERE!

Mark McArthur Christie is correct, drivers do not (and SHOULD NOT) drive by the numbers. Driver do (and SHOULD) drive according to the conditions at the time, faster when conditions are good and slower when necessary.

Then, IF safety is the goal, the posted limits are set the 85th percentile speed of free flowing traffic under good conditions - the safety-optimizing method that UK authorities used until about 20 years ago when speed camera revenue became more important that genuine safety.

Speed camera produce these obscene levels of profits ONLY where the posted limits are deliberately mis-engineered to produce more citations. It is a money program, not a safety program.

James C. Walker, Life Member-National Motorists Association (USA), an organization similar to the Alliance of British Drivers. Note that my wife is from West Yorkshire and I have driven extensively in the UK.

Mark McArthur Christie is correct, drivers do not (and SHOULD NOT) drive by the numbers. Driver do (and SHOULD) drive according to the conditions at the time, faster when conditions are good and slower when necessary.
Then, IF safety is the goal, the posted limits are set the 85th percentile speed of free flowing traffic under good conditions - the safety-optimizing method that UK authorities used until about 20 years ago when speed camera revenue became more important that genuine safety.
Speed camera produce these obscene levels of profits ONLY where the posted limits are deliberately mis-engineered to produce more citations. It is a money program, not a safety program.
James C. Walker, Life Member-National Motorists Association (USA), an organization similar to the Alliance of British Drivers. Note that my wife is from West Yorkshire and I have driven extensively in the UK.jcwconsult

Mark McArthur Christie is correct, drivers do not (and SHOULD NOT) drive by the numbers. Driver do (and SHOULD) drive according to the conditions at the time, faster when conditions are good and slower when necessary.

Then, IF safety is the goal, the posted limits are set the 85th percentile speed of free flowing traffic under good conditions - the safety-optimizing method that UK authorities used until about 20 years ago when speed camera revenue became more important that genuine safety.

Speed camera produce these obscene levels of profits ONLY where the posted limits are deliberately mis-engineered to produce more citations. It is a money program, not a safety program.

James C. Walker, Life Member-National Motorists Association (USA), an organization similar to the Alliance of British Drivers. Note that my wife is from West Yorkshire and I have driven extensively in the UK.

Score: 5

Whitto
4:10pm Mon 28 Apr 14

jcwconsult wrote…

Mark McArthur Christie is correct, drivers do not (and SHOULD NOT) drive by the numbers. Driver do (and SHOULD) drive according to the conditions at the time, faster when conditions are good and slower when necessary.

Then, IF safety is the goal, the posted limits are set the 85th percentile speed of free flowing traffic under good conditions - the safety-optimizing method that UK authorities used until about 20 years ago when speed camera revenue became more important that genuine safety.

Speed camera produce these obscene levels of profits ONLY where the posted limits are deliberately mis-engineered to produce more citations. It is a money program, not a safety program.

James C. Walker, Life Member-National Motorists Association (USA), an organization similar to the Alliance of British Drivers. Note that my wife is from West Yorkshire and I have driven extensively in the UK.

I'll tell you what - you campaign to to get your obscene gun laws that cause thousands of deaths each year changed over there and we will deal with our speed cameras over here.

By the way how is driving at 55MPH going?

Thanks

[quote][p][bold]jcwconsult[/bold] wrote:
Mark McArthur Christie is correct, drivers do not (and SHOULD NOT) drive by the numbers. Driver do (and SHOULD) drive according to the conditions at the time, faster when conditions are good and slower when necessary.
Then, IF safety is the goal, the posted limits are set the 85th percentile speed of free flowing traffic under good conditions - the safety-optimizing method that UK authorities used until about 20 years ago when speed camera revenue became more important that genuine safety.
Speed camera produce these obscene levels of profits ONLY where the posted limits are deliberately mis-engineered to produce more citations. It is a money program, not a safety program.
James C. Walker, Life Member-National Motorists Association (USA), an organization similar to the Alliance of British Drivers. Note that my wife is from West Yorkshire and I have driven extensively in the UK.[/p][/quote]I'll tell you what - you campaign to to get your obscene gun laws that cause thousands of deaths each year changed over there and we will deal with our speed cameras over here.
By the way how is driving at 55MPH going?
ThanksWhitto

jcwconsult wrote…

Mark McArthur Christie is correct, drivers do not (and SHOULD NOT) drive by the numbers. Driver do (and SHOULD) drive according to the conditions at the time, faster when conditions are good and slower when necessary.

Then, IF safety is the goal, the posted limits are set the 85th percentile speed of free flowing traffic under good conditions - the safety-optimizing method that UK authorities used until about 20 years ago when speed camera revenue became more important that genuine safety.

Speed camera produce these obscene levels of profits ONLY where the posted limits are deliberately mis-engineered to produce more citations. It is a money program, not a safety program.

James C. Walker, Life Member-National Motorists Association (USA), an organization similar to the Alliance of British Drivers. Note that my wife is from West Yorkshire and I have driven extensively in the UK.

I'll tell you what - you campaign to to get your obscene gun laws that cause thousands of deaths each year changed over there and we will deal with our speed cameras over here.

By the way how is driving at 55MPH going?

Thanks

Score: -6

GPOWELL
4:35pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Static speed cameras only reduce the speed for a hundred yards at most, they are a totally ineffective as a way of obtaining a general reduction in the speed of traffic. Most people caught by static cameras are not regular users of that section of road or have a momentary loss of concentration and forget to slow down. They have no effect on habitual speeders or anti-social drivers. Use more mobile cameras or police patrols if you want to slow the traffic and/or catch the bad drivers.

Static speed cameras only reduce the speed for a hundred yards at most, they are a totally ineffective as a way of obtaining a general reduction in the speed of traffic. Most people caught by static cameras are not regular users of that section of road or have a momentary loss of concentration and forget to slow down. They have no effect on habitual speeders or anti-social drivers. Use more mobile cameras or police patrols if you want to slow the traffic and/or catch the bad drivers.GPOWELL

Static speed cameras only reduce the speed for a hundred yards at most, they are a totally ineffective as a way of obtaining a general reduction in the speed of traffic. Most people caught by static cameras are not regular users of that section of road or have a momentary loss of concentration and forget to slow down. They have no effect on habitual speeders or anti-social drivers. Use more mobile cameras or police patrols if you want to slow the traffic and/or catch the bad drivers.

Score: 2

shippondame
5:41pm Mon 28 Apr 14

The A34 that runs through Botley, Oxford, has a 50 MPH speed limit. Many years ago the local MP campaigned for this 50 MPH limit, specifically, to alleviate the mental and health related issues suffered by many of the residents whose houses the A34 runs next to; the A34 planners having dissected the community living in this area with their master plan.
Despite there being a 50 MPH limit in place, daily I see the overwhelming number of drivers travelling along this particular stretch of the road ignoring the speed limit completely and simply continuing at their 'normal' 70 MPH plus speed.
The police and road transport authorities need to get real and help the residents who live daily with this real pain caused by ignorant, arrogant driving, by imposing draconian penalties on those that ignore the basic rules of the road on this part of the A34. Installation of multiple speed cameras is required and stiff penalties; the proceeds hopefully helping keep our taxes down and, more importantly helping to relieve the suffering of those Botley residents who suffer because of bad drivers behaviour..

The A34 that runs through Botley, Oxford, has a 50 MPH speed limit. Many years ago the local MP campaigned for this 50 MPH limit, specifically, to alleviate the mental and health related issues suffered by many of the residents whose houses the A34 runs next to; the A34 planners having dissected the community living in this area with their master plan.
Despite there being a 50 MPH limit in place, daily I see the overwhelming number of drivers travelling along this particular stretch of the road ignoring the speed limit completely and simply continuing at their 'normal' 70 MPH plus speed.
The police and road transport authorities need to get real and help the residents who live daily with this real pain caused by ignorant, arrogant driving, by imposing draconian penalties on those that ignore the basic rules of the road on this part of the A34. Installation of multiple speed cameras is required and stiff penalties; the proceeds hopefully helping keep our taxes down and, more importantly helping to relieve the suffering of those Botley residents who suffer because of bad drivers behaviour..shippondame

The A34 that runs through Botley, Oxford, has a 50 MPH speed limit. Many years ago the local MP campaigned for this 50 MPH limit, specifically, to alleviate the mental and health related issues suffered by many of the residents whose houses the A34 runs next to; the A34 planners having dissected the community living in this area with their master plan.
Despite there being a 50 MPH limit in place, daily I see the overwhelming number of drivers travelling along this particular stretch of the road ignoring the speed limit completely and simply continuing at their 'normal' 70 MPH plus speed.
The police and road transport authorities need to get real and help the residents who live daily with this real pain caused by ignorant, arrogant driving, by imposing draconian penalties on those that ignore the basic rules of the road on this part of the A34. Installation of multiple speed cameras is required and stiff penalties; the proceeds hopefully helping keep our taxes down and, more importantly helping to relieve the suffering of those Botley residents who suffer because of bad drivers behaviour..

Score: 0

Oflife
7:49pm Mon 28 Apr 14

srd275 wrote…

Why don't the "safety campaingers' COME CLEAN:

HOW MANY CRASHES WERE CAUSED BY THE DRIVERS REALLY EXCEEDING THE SPEED LIMIT!

(not logged in because speeding was there BUT NOT A REASON ON THE CRASH!)

COME ON.

When the ABD years ago FOIA a speed camera in Wiltshire they disovered: http://www.thenewspa

per.com/news/05/538.

asp

Quote: According to Smith, the accident data show that only about four percent of accidents on the M4 were actually caused by exceeding a posted limit. The documents rated the most and least important contributory factors as a percentage of accidents on the M4, as follows:1.Inattentio

Exactly! Oxford Council enjoy their little earners, that's all it is about.

[quote][p][bold]srd275[/bold] wrote:
Why don't the "safety campaingers' COME CLEAN:
HOW MANY CRASHES WERE CAUSED BY THE DRIVERS REALLY EXCEEDING THE SPEED LIMIT!
(not logged in because speeding was there BUT NOT A REASON ON THE CRASH!)
COME ON.
When the ABD years ago FOIA a speed camera in Wiltshire they disovered: http://www.thenewspa
per.com/news/05/538.
asp
Quote: According to Smith, the accident data show that only about four percent of accidents on the M4 were actually caused by exceeding a posted limit. The documents rated the most and least important contributory factors as a percentage of accidents on the M4, as follows:1.Inattentio
n: 28%
2.Failure to judge others' path or speed (i.e. poor lane-changing): 28%
3.Lack of judgment of own path: 17%
4.Fatigue: 14%
5.Careless, thoughtless or reckless behavior:14%
6.Excess speed for conditions: 14%
7.Exceeding posted speed limit: 4.2% (SafeSpeed estimate)
Whenever you hear of claims of need by scamera supporters, THEY NEVER DO LIKE TO MENTION WHAT THE CAUSES OF THOSE CRASHES REALLY WERE!
How about let the voters of the UK decide the issue of scameras.
come on!
www.abd.org.uk
www.motorists.org
www.banthecams.org
camerafraud on Facebook[/p][/quote]Exactly! Oxford Council enjoy their little earners, that's all it is about.Oflife

srd275 wrote…

Why don't the "safety campaingers' COME CLEAN:

HOW MANY CRASHES WERE CAUSED BY THE DRIVERS REALLY EXCEEDING THE SPEED LIMIT!

(not logged in because speeding was there BUT NOT A REASON ON THE CRASH!)

COME ON.

When the ABD years ago FOIA a speed camera in Wiltshire they disovered: http://www.thenewspa

per.com/news/05/538.

asp

Quote: According to Smith, the accident data show that only about four percent of accidents on the M4 were actually caused by exceeding a posted limit. The documents rated the most and least important contributory factors as a percentage of accidents on the M4, as follows:1.Inattentio

Exactly! Oxford Council enjoy their little earners, that's all it is about.

Score: -7

Oxford Hero
7:56pm Mon 28 Apr 14

So so simple just dont speed.
No fine No points simple
On A34 and Eastern By Pass there are electronic signs flashing 50mph
yet people ignore so they must have more money than sense.
So so simple dont speed dont break the Law save money !

So so simple just dont speed.
No fine No points simple
On A34 and Eastern By Pass there are electronic signs flashing 50mph
yet people ignore so they must have more money than sense.
So so simple dont speed dont break the Law save money !Oxford Hero

So so simple just dont speed.
No fine No points simple
On A34 and Eastern By Pass there are electronic signs flashing 50mph
yet people ignore so they must have more money than sense.
So so simple dont speed dont break the Law save money !

The A34 that runs through Botley, Oxford, has a 50 MPH speed limit. Many years ago the local MP campaigned for this 50 MPH limit, specifically, to alleviate the mental and health related issues suffered by many of the residents whose houses the A34 runs next to; the A34 planners having dissected the community living in this area with their master plan.
Despite there being a 50 MPH limit in place, daily I see the overwhelming number of drivers travelling along this particular stretch of the road ignoring the speed limit completely and simply continuing at their 'normal' 70 MPH plus speed.
The police and road transport authorities need to get real and help the residents who live daily with this real pain caused by ignorant, arrogant driving, by imposing draconian penalties on those that ignore the basic rules of the road on this part of the A34. Installation of multiple speed cameras is required and stiff penalties; the proceeds hopefully helping keep our taxes down and, more importantly helping to relieve the suffering of those Botley residents who suffer because of bad drivers behaviour..

Do you live in the area by any chance? People know the A34 is there when they choose to live there, so they should just accept it's going to be noisy.

[quote][p][bold]shippondame[/bold] wrote:
The A34 that runs through Botley, Oxford, has a 50 MPH speed limit. Many years ago the local MP campaigned for this 50 MPH limit, specifically, to alleviate the mental and health related issues suffered by many of the residents whose houses the A34 runs next to; the A34 planners having dissected the community living in this area with their master plan.
Despite there being a 50 MPH limit in place, daily I see the overwhelming number of drivers travelling along this particular stretch of the road ignoring the speed limit completely and simply continuing at their 'normal' 70 MPH plus speed.
The police and road transport authorities need to get real and help the residents who live daily with this real pain caused by ignorant, arrogant driving, by imposing draconian penalties on those that ignore the basic rules of the road on this part of the A34. Installation of multiple speed cameras is required and stiff penalties; the proceeds hopefully helping keep our taxes down and, more importantly helping to relieve the suffering of those Botley residents who suffer because of bad drivers behaviour..[/p][/quote]Do you live in the area by any chance? People know the A34 is there when they choose to live there, so they should just accept it's going to be noisy.Dilligaf2010

shippondame wrote…

The A34 that runs through Botley, Oxford, has a 50 MPH speed limit. Many years ago the local MP campaigned for this 50 MPH limit, specifically, to alleviate the mental and health related issues suffered by many of the residents whose houses the A34 runs next to; the A34 planners having dissected the community living in this area with their master plan.
Despite there being a 50 MPH limit in place, daily I see the overwhelming number of drivers travelling along this particular stretch of the road ignoring the speed limit completely and simply continuing at their 'normal' 70 MPH plus speed.
The police and road transport authorities need to get real and help the residents who live daily with this real pain caused by ignorant, arrogant driving, by imposing draconian penalties on those that ignore the basic rules of the road on this part of the A34. Installation of multiple speed cameras is required and stiff penalties; the proceeds hopefully helping keep our taxes down and, more importantly helping to relieve the suffering of those Botley residents who suffer because of bad drivers behaviour..

Do you live in the area by any chance? People know the A34 is there when they choose to live there, so they should just accept it's going to be noisy.

Score: -3

couldabeenacontender
1:01pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Oflife wrote…

srd275 wrote…

Why don't the "safety campaingers' COME CLEAN:

HOW MANY CRASHES WERE CAUSED BY THE DRIVERS REALLY EXCEEDING THE SPEED LIMIT!

(not logged in because speeding was there BUT NOT A REASON ON THE CRASH!)

COME ON.

When the ABD years ago FOIA a speed camera in Wiltshire they disovered: http://www.thenewspa

per.com/news/05/538.

asp

Quote: According to Smith, the accident data show that only about four percent of accidents on the M4 were actually caused by exceeding a posted limit. The documents rated the most and least important contributory factors as a percentage of accidents on the M4, as follows:1.Inattentio

Exactly! Oxford Council enjoy their little earners, that's all it is about.

I didnt think the County got anything from it. Wasnt that the reason they switched them all off couple of years back. The police collect the income and it goes to the treasury if I recall.

[quote][p][bold]Oflife[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]srd275[/bold] wrote:
Why don't the "safety campaingers' COME CLEAN:
HOW MANY CRASHES WERE CAUSED BY THE DRIVERS REALLY EXCEEDING THE SPEED LIMIT!
(not logged in because speeding was there BUT NOT A REASON ON THE CRASH!)
COME ON.
When the ABD years ago FOIA a speed camera in Wiltshire they disovered: http://www.thenewspa
per.com/news/05/538.
asp
Quote: According to Smith, the accident data show that only about four percent of accidents on the M4 were actually caused by exceeding a posted limit. The documents rated the most and least important contributory factors as a percentage of accidents on the M4, as follows:1.Inattentio
n: 28%
2.Failure to judge others' path or speed (i.e. poor lane-changing): 28%
3.Lack of judgment of own path: 17%
4.Fatigue: 14%
5.Careless, thoughtless or reckless behavior:14%
6.Excess speed for conditions: 14%
7.Exceeding posted speed limit: 4.2% (SafeSpeed estimate)
Whenever you hear of claims of need by scamera supporters, THEY NEVER DO LIKE TO MENTION WHAT THE CAUSES OF THOSE CRASHES REALLY WERE!
How about let the voters of the UK decide the issue of scameras.
come on!
www.abd.org.uk
www.motorists.org
www.banthecams.org
camerafraud on Facebook[/p][/quote]Exactly! Oxford Council enjoy their little earners, that's all it is about.[/p][/quote]I didnt think the County got anything from it. Wasnt that the reason they switched them all off couple of years back. The police collect the income and it goes to the treasury if I recall.couldabeenacontender

Oflife wrote…

srd275 wrote…

Why don't the "safety campaingers' COME CLEAN:

HOW MANY CRASHES WERE CAUSED BY THE DRIVERS REALLY EXCEEDING THE SPEED LIMIT!

(not logged in because speeding was there BUT NOT A REASON ON THE CRASH!)

COME ON.

When the ABD years ago FOIA a speed camera in Wiltshire they disovered: http://www.thenewspa

per.com/news/05/538.

asp

Quote: According to Smith, the accident data show that only about four percent of accidents on the M4 were actually caused by exceeding a posted limit. The documents rated the most and least important contributory factors as a percentage of accidents on the M4, as follows:1.Inattentio

Exactly! Oxford Council enjoy their little earners, that's all it is about.

I didnt think the County got anything from it. Wasnt that the reason they switched them all off couple of years back. The police collect the income and it goes to the treasury if I recall.

Score: 4

Manor Born
10:07am Wed 30 Apr 14

Everyone moaning that these cameras are there simply to make money for the council. If that is the case fair play. If it means that Council Tax bills are less because of this revenue stream from people in too much of a rush to observe the legal limits of the road in question, then fair play.

If you don't like being caught by a speed camera, there is a simple solution. Don't speed. Is it really going to hurt you that much by travelling 10mph less? If it is an issue and you are arriving late, then leave earlier. It's not rocket science.

Everyone moaning that these cameras are there simply to make money for the council. If that is the case fair play. If it means that Council Tax bills are less because of this revenue stream from people in too much of a rush to observe the legal limits of the road in question, then fair play.
If you don't like being caught by a speed camera, there is a simple solution. Don't speed. Is it really going to hurt you that much by travelling 10mph less? If it is an issue and you are arriving late, then leave earlier. It's not rocket science.Manor Born

Everyone moaning that these cameras are there simply to make money for the council. If that is the case fair play. If it means that Council Tax bills are less because of this revenue stream from people in too much of a rush to observe the legal limits of the road in question, then fair play.

If you don't like being caught by a speed camera, there is a simple solution. Don't speed. Is it really going to hurt you that much by travelling 10mph less? If it is an issue and you are arriving late, then leave earlier. It's not rocket science.

Score: 10

The racer
9:32pm Thu 1 May 14

Well, I was going to say, if you don't like getting nicked then use your eyes and mirrors, and drive an innocuous car, but according to site administrators my comments are

'beginning to upset some users of this site'.

I'd like to know what the particular grievances might be, but perhaps now's the time to honorably bow out. Thanks for the censorship...

Well, I was going to say, if you don't like getting nicked then use your eyes and mirrors, and drive an innocuous car, but according to site administrators my comments are
'beginning to upset some users of this site'.
I'd like to know what the particular grievances might be, but perhaps now's the time to honorably bow out. Thanks for the censorship...The racer

Well, I was going to say, if you don't like getting nicked then use your eyes and mirrors, and drive an innocuous car, but according to site administrators my comments are

'beginning to upset some users of this site'.

I'd like to know what the particular grievances might be, but perhaps now's the time to honorably bow out. Thanks for the censorship...

Score: 0

Danny3
12:03pm Fri 2 May 14

HomerSimpsonDoh wrote…

"After three children and a student died in a crash on the Eastern Bypass in 2005, relatives campaigned for the speed limit to be cut to 50mph."
This accident had NOTHING to do with speed, yet the speed limit was reduced!
That is why many of the speed limits are ignored, because they are there for rasing money only. The Woodstock road camera was placed in a postion where it will catch the most people, not because of road safety.

There's no conflict here. The more money a camera makes, the more fines it's handing out and the more effective it is as a general deterrent. Most motorists who are fined do drive more slowly as a result, at least for a while.

[quote][p][bold]HomerSimpsonDoh[/bold] wrote:
"After three children and a student died in a crash on the Eastern Bypass in 2005, relatives campaigned for the speed limit to be cut to 50mph."
This accident had NOTHING to do with speed, yet the speed limit was reduced!
That is why many of the speed limits are ignored, because they are there for rasing money only. The Woodstock road camera was placed in a postion where it will catch the most people, not because of road safety.[/p][/quote]There's no conflict here. The more money a camera makes, the more fines it's handing out and the more effective it is as a general deterrent. Most motorists who are fined do drive more slowly as a result, at least for a while.Danny3

HomerSimpsonDoh wrote…

"After three children and a student died in a crash on the Eastern Bypass in 2005, relatives campaigned for the speed limit to be cut to 50mph."
This accident had NOTHING to do with speed, yet the speed limit was reduced!
That is why many of the speed limits are ignored, because they are there for rasing money only. The Woodstock road camera was placed in a postion where it will catch the most people, not because of road safety.

There's no conflict here. The more money a camera makes, the more fines it's handing out and the more effective it is as a general deterrent. Most motorists who are fined do drive more slowly as a result, at least for a while.

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