C) appropriate and lawful interaction with law enforcement while transporting or carrying a concealed firearm; and

2) One hour of instruction to include a live fire qualification with a concealable firearm using a B-27 silhouette target consisting of a minimum of 30 rounds and 10 rounds from a distance of 5 yards, 10 rounds from a distance of 7 yards and 10 rounds from a distance of 10 yards.

f) The Department may request a complete course outline and instructional notes or any additional course related information from the applicant. If the applicant refuses the request, the application will be deemed incomplete and returned to the applicant.

g) Once approved by the Department, the curriculum may only be taught by an Instructor approved by the Department under Section 1231.20 who is listed on the registry of approved Instructors.

h) Upon receiving substantiated information that a curriculum is not consistent with Section 75 of the Act, the Department may remove that curriculum from the list of approved curriculums maintained on the Department's website.

i) Once a curriculum is removed from the list of approved curricula, the decision to remove the curriculum from the list may be appealed to the Director of the Department and evidence must be presented that the factors resulting in the revocation have been resolved. If the Director determines that the removal of the curriculum from the list was not warranted, or that the issues that resulted in that removal have been remediated, the curriculum approval shall be reinstated to the list.

Now that is doable in 3hrs, the first, is not. heck, all applicable Fed State FOID and those portions of the ICCA will take more than that without range time.

B] updates in the Criminal Code Sections listed in Section 1231.10; and

C) appropriate and lawful interaction with law enforcement while transporting or carrying a concealed firearm; and

2) One hour of instruction to include a live fire qualification with a concealable firearm using a B-27 silhouette target consisting of a minimum of 30 rounds and 10 rounds from a distance of 5 yards, 10 rounds from a distance of 7 yards and 10 rounds from a distance of 10 yards.

And the list on the certificate:

the words "with emphasis on" would lead us to believe that a review of the overall statutes covering major points and the emphasis on these topics would meet with ISP approval. If not, they will need to propose new rules and regulations to JCAR.

For some instructors, 3 hrs. will not work, they will need more time. Remember breaks and drive time to the range do not count. As an instructor I will opt for a longer class time in order to cover all the bases.

"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." --Samuel Adams

Jumping through all those hoops in a 3 hour period is going to be a pretty good trick.

I ran through my Renewal Firearm Curriculum a couple of weeks ago with a single applicant. I used Power Point presentations and video clips with no interaction with the class, no questions, no hands on activities, no discussions, no handouts, and NO breaks of any kind. I talked as fast as I could and still be understood, I did my paper work while the videos played. It took me 2 hours and 50 minutes just to present the minimum classroom requirements FOR ONE PERSON. Add in more students, question and answer sessions, bathroom breaks, registration, filling out certificates and range qualifying.....

No way for me to complete in anything close to 3 hours. I can see a lot of students complaining about it taking so long for a "3 hour class".

Whatever it takes, that's what it will take. I'm interested in.partnering with someone, or group of someone's who have unfettered range access.
Maybe we can form a group where costs and profits are split.
Example, I can probably teach large amounts of classroom economically where another instructor can run a large amount of students through the live qualification.
I'm wiling to partner and share, or join a coilition of other instructors willing to streamline the renewal process.

Have all boated who fish?Have all boated who fish?Have all boated who fish?

If all I needed to do was follow the "law" and the "JCAR Approved Rules and Regulations", with the help of an RSO, I could easily run a group of 10 through the renewal course in 3 to 4 hours. It`s the additional requirements that the ISP has added to the certificate that both the student and instructor must sign as having completed that`s the problem. Molly, the attitude of "As an instructor I will opt for a longer class time in order to cover all the bases." may be fine from an instructor`s stand point. The ISP has added obstacles not required by law or the JCAR, Why hasn`t the ISRA or Illinois Carry been on this like flies on poop?

If all I needed to do was follow the "law" and the "JCAR Approved Rules and Regulations", with the help of an RSO, I could easily run a group of 10 through the renewal course in 3 to 4 hours. It`s the additional requirements that the ISP has added to the certificate that both the student and instructor must sign as having completed that`s the problem. Molly, the attitude of "As an instructor I will opt for a longer class time in order to cover all the bases." may be fine from an instructor`s stand point. The ISP has added obstacles not required by law or the JCAR, Why hasn`t the ISRA or Illinois Carry been on this like flies on poop?

I don't know what makes you so sure we're not. We received the info the same time as everyone else. Things take time.

"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." --Samuel Adams

If all I needed to do was follow the "law" and the "JCAR Approved Rules and Regulations", with the help of an RSO, I could easily run a group of 10 through the renewal course in 3 to 4 hours. It`s the additional requirements that the ISP has added to the certificate that both the student and instructor must sign as having completed that`s the problem. Molly, the attitude of "As an instructor I will opt for a longer class time in order to cover all the bases." may be fine from an instructor`s stand point. The ISP has added obstacles not required by law or the JCAR, Why hasn`t the ISRA or Illinois Carry been on this like flies on poop?

I don't know what makes you so sure we're not. We received the info the same time as everyone else. Things take time.

If all I needed to do was follow the "law" and the "JCAR Approved Rules and Regulations", with the help of an RSO, I could easily run a group of 10 through the renewal course in 3 to 4 hours. It`s the additional requirements that the ISP has added to the certificate that both the student and instructor must sign as having completed that`s the problem. Molly, the attitude of "As an instructor I will opt for a longer class time in order to cover all the bases." may be fine from an instructor`s stand point. The ISP has added obstacles not required by law or the JCAR, Why hasn`t the ISRA or Illinois Carry been on this like flies on poop?

I don't know what makes you so sure we're not. We received the info the same time as everyone else. Things take time.

Are you saying the ISRA and Illinois Carry are fighting this?

Are you implying they're not?

I WILL LOSE EVERY ARGUMENT FROM NOW ON, I WILL WALK AWAY FROM EVERY FIGHT OR CONFRONTATION, I WILL TAKE THE HIGH ROAD.

C) a live fire qualification with a concealable firearm using a B-27 silhouette target consisting of a minimum of 30 rounds and 10 rounds from a distance of 5 yards, 10 rounds from a distance of 7 yards and 10 rounds from a distance of 10 yards.

"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." --Samuel Adams

A) Review handgun fundamentals
B] Review handgun concealment
C) a live fire qualification with a concealable firearm using a B-27 silhouette target consisting of a minimum of 30 rounds and 10 rounds from a distance of 5 yards, 10 rounds from a distance of 7 yards and 10 rounds from a distance of 10 yards.

Will there possibly be an addendum to CLIC to reflect the changes to the law sections mentioned?

WAND TV Springfield ran a concealed carry renewal segment on this morning`s broadcast. Per the report the ISP says it will take up to 4 months to process a renewal application and recommends CCL holders apply for renewal 5 months before their expiration date. Instructors are still faced with no clear guidelines on the renewal process and a flawed renewal certificate. We have no idea when the first applications will be accepted by the ISP or something in writing from the ISP about what we should teach to satisfy the renewal requirements. Do we follow the law or JCAR or the Certificate requirements? Time for a trip to meet with your state rep and try and put some pressure on the ISP to get this straightened out. Starting with the renewal certificate.

WAND TV Springfield ran a concealed carry renewal segment on this morning`s broadcast. Per the report the ISP says it will take up to 4 months to process a renewal application and recommends CCL holders apply for renewal 5 months before their expiration date.

*sigh* So as suspected, renewals are going to take the same amount of time as new applications. And those initial renewals I would expect to be higher in volume.

WAND TV Springfield ran a concealed carry renewal segment on this morning`s broadcast. Per the report the ISP says it will take up to 4 months to process a renewal application and recommends CCL holders apply for renewal 5 months before their expiration date.

Cool. Mine expires in June next year so I guess I'd better get a class in January of this year.

I WILL LOSE EVERY ARGUMENT FROM NOW ON, I WILL WALK AWAY FROM EVERY FIGHT OR CONFRONTATION, I WILL TAKE THE HIGH ROAD.

WAND TV Springfield ran a concealed carry renewal segment on this morning`s broadcast. Per the report the ISP says it will take up to 4 months to process a renewal application and recommends CCL holders apply for renewal 5 months before their expiration date. Instructors are still faced with no clear guidelines on the renewal process and a flawed renewal certificate. We have no idea when the first applications will be accepted by the ISP or something in writing from the ISP about what we should teach to satisfy the renewal requirements. Do we follow the law or JCAR or the Certificate requirements? Time for a trip to meet with your state rep and try and put some pressure on the ISP to get this straightened out. Starting with the renewal certificate.

I thought read someplace (maybe it was another topic on forum), that renewal apps couldn't be submitted until 30 days before expiration of CCW. Did I get some bad info?

WAND TV Springfield ran a concealed carry renewal segment on this morning`s broadcast. Per the report the ISP says it will take up to 4 months to process a renewal application and recommends CCL holders apply for renewal 5 months before their expiration date. Instructors are still faced with no clear guidelines on the renewal process and a flawed renewal certificate. We have no idea when the first applications will be accepted by the ISP or something in writing from the ISP about what we should teach to satisfy the renewal requirements. Do we follow the law or JCAR or the Certificate requirements? Time for a trip to meet with your state rep and try and put some pressure on the ISP to get this straightened out. Starting with the renewal certificate.

Why apply 5 months early?

The law clearly states that as long as you have applied before your expiration date your license is still good while you are waiting on the renewal. They can take 3 years and you can still carry on your old license that is expired.

( c ) A license is invalid upon expiration of the license, unless the licensee has submitted an application to renew the license, and the applicant is otherwise eligible to possess a license under this Act.

The interesting part, to my knowledge, ISP has made no provision on how an individual will tell and/or an officer verify that the person has applied for renewal. Maybe a website update and you will have something to printout at the end of your application showing you have applied for renewal.

WAND TV Springfield ran a concealed carry renewal segment on this morning`s broadcast. Per the report the ISP says it will take up to 4 months to process a renewal application and recommends CCL holders apply for renewal 5 months before their expiration date. Instructors are still faced with no clear guidelines on the renewal process and a flawed renewal certificate. We have no idea when the first applications will be accepted by the ISP or something in writing from the ISP about what we should teach to satisfy the renewal requirements. Do we follow the law or JCAR or the Certificate requirements? Time for a trip to meet with your state rep and try and put some pressure on the ISP to get this straightened out. Starting with the renewal certificate.

I thought read someplace (maybe it was another topic on forum), that renewal apps couldn't be submitted until 30 days before expiration of CCW. Did I get some bad info?

There was original discussion about FOID cards which may be where that came from. Supposedly FOID renewals at available at 90 days although some claimed their renewal button went active at 6 months.

( c ) A license is invalid upon expiration of the license, unless the licensee has submitted an application to renew the license, and the applicant is otherwise eligible to possess a license under this Act.

The interesting part, to my knowledge, ISP has made no provision on how an individual will tell and/or an officer verify that the person has applied for renewal. Maybe a website update and you will have something to printout at the end of your application showing you have applied for renewal.

Going through the web site to renew there should be an electronic record and no reason they can't add a renewal status just like they have for submitted, verified, approved, etc.

No surprise I guess, but why does it feel like they are waiting until the last minute to start getting all of this in place...

C) a live fire qualification with a concealable firearm using a B-27 silhouette target consisting of a minimum of 30 rounds and 10 rounds from a distance of 5 yards, 10 rounds from a distance of 7 yards and 10 rounds from a distance of 10 yards.

"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." --Samuel Adams