However there's a point to why we are looking so good right now: we have close to 0 penalty to our DPS while learning bosses, compared to other casters. That mixed with how easy are normals and the few tries you need to down them, makes us beat other classes that on the long term will be ahead. Downing Thok in 3-4 tries, while the arcane mage is still figuring how to cast properly without being interrupted is a great example of this.

Why we are seemingly good:
- Every class got hit hard with nerfs through RPPM changes and Hunters got significant buffs to actually make us do more DPS between 5.3 and 5.4 whereas most other classes went down overall.
- Short fights due to majority of guilds overgearing the fights by 20-30ilvls makes Hunters appear stronger due to our strong opening burst.
- New fights means learning the fine points of executing maximum DPS through movement and positioning. Hunters don't need to worry about this.

Pretty much. Seeing as every fight that matters is multi dot / cleave, we fall behind significantly. The only fight we will excel on is Thok, and that's because of his dumb silence, and the fact we can move and cast during the kite phase.

However there's a point to why we are looking so good right now: we have close to 0 penalty to our DPS while learning bosses, compared to other casters. That mixed with how easy are normals and the few tries you need to down them, makes us beat other classes that on the long term will be ahead. Downing Thok in 3-4 tries, while the arcane mage is still figuring how to cast properly without being interrupted is a great example of this.

Pretty much. Hunters almost always look better on the initial learning but after a few wipes when your casters learn how to optimize their movement and learn the mechanic patterns, we start sinking fast.

the raid im in alot of people are pretty geared and I just need to be on top of my shit if I want to be in the competative top. cant beat our lock no matter how hard I try but I can live with that. If I go ham on certain fights I can top so I say do what you do hunter bros and broettes

So far in second week (non-HC, because we failed to kill Garrosh last week), I'm playing pretty evenly with our good warlocks and ret paladin. I can't touch our arcane mage unless there's a huge amount of movement in the fight. To be fair though, this same mage tends to rank extremely high on WoL, and just tonight he wiped our raid on Malkorok because he finished his cast instead of moving to soak the nearby pool.