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So you're accepting that your first statement about requiring to be born in Spain to have citizenship or work in the public sector is demonstrably untrue. The truth is that you can do either if you are willing to relinquish your original citizenship. As you were the one to bring this a a parallel to the residency rules this is exactly what Stander, Aki and Kleyn have done - relinquish their rights to play for other countries for whom they were previously eligible.

Your willingness to give up your Irish passport is simply not relevant to this discussion. That's a matter of personal choice and nothing else.

I can also tel you that in the case of citizens of countries that do not allow nationality to be relinquished legally (Morocco for example) that Spain will grant an exemption.

With regard to your request for me to give you examples of people who do work in the Spanish civil service, that's a level of whataboutarry that even Sammy Wilson would be ashamed of. You've made a claim and you can't provide a single shred of evidence to back it up.

Yeah, you've been owned there. Nothing more to be said about it.. hopefully.

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As I said, it's not as black and white as you've been claiming with your extensive knowledge (google quotes) on the subject of Spanish residency/citizenship. First and foremost, in order to start the process, you'd have to pass the language proficiency test which basically requires you to be able to write and speak native level Spanish, which would automatically exclude 99.99% of 'applicants'.

I haven't gone into ALL the relevant details about citizenship because I don't feel like boring everyone and derailing the Ire world cup thread any further with essays on the reality of Spanish administration laws in practice.

Do Aki, Stander etc have to relinquish their Kiwi and SA PASSPORTS in order to play for Ireland. No, they don't, so your example is pointless, no matter how many times you repeat it.

Theory and practice are two completely separate subjects when it comes to what is and isn't legal within the Spanish system. I have lived here long enough to know that and don't feel the need to quote links from google to try to convince you of anything.

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Luke highlighted that he wasn't happy with Dillane being dropped from the squad with Kleyn being ahead of him whilst he wasn't even Irish qualified so it's nothing to do with Dev not being picked.

If you listened to Luke on is podcast you'll see that he says quite clearly that he wasn't a fan of Strauss etc being picked for Ireland and isn't a fan of Lowe getting picked either highlighting would people be happy if Earls gets dropped for Lowe. I

Fair enough. He’s not an inconsistent eejit, he’s just an eejit.

Whatever way you cut it, this stuff isn’t fair on the player selected. Not exactly a great way to encourage him to go out and put his body on the line for Ireland either. He was eligible, he convinced Joe he deserved his place, that’s it.

The rules are the rules and Fitz is entitled to disagree with them, but these attacks seem pretty personal. Play the ball, not the man.

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Whatever way you cut it, this stuff isn’t fair on the player selected. Not exactly a great way to encourage him to go out and put his body on the line for Ireland either. He was eligible, he convinced Joe he deserved his place, that’s it.

The rules are the rules and Fitz is entitled to disagree with them, but these attacks seem pretty personal. Play the ball, not the man.

Would you cheer on an Ireland team with 10 guys in it who had no connection with ireland prior to signing a provincial contract? Is it just about abiding by the rules set by governing bodies?

Whatever way you cut it, this stuff isn’t fair on the player selected. Not exactly a great way to encourage him to go out and put his body on the line for Ireland either. He was eligible, he convinced Joe he deserved his place, that’s it.

The rules are the rules and Fitz is entitled to disagree with them, but these attacks seem pretty personal. Play the ball, not the man.

He could have ground that axe for a hundred other players, but didn’t, Ian McKinley springs to mind. Will he be as vocal when James Lowe comes available? Doubtful.

Luke is probably the only ex player “pundit” with no gig for the World Cup and making a last ditch effort to pick up
something.

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Luke highlighted that he wasn't happy with Dillane being dropped from the squad with Kleyn being ahead of him whilst he wasn't even Irish qualified so it's nothing to do with Dev not being picked.

If you listened to Luke on is podcast you'll see that he says quite clearly that he wasn't a fan of Strauss etc being picked for Ireland and isn't a fan of Lowe getting picked either highlighting would people be happy if Earls gets dropped for Lowe. I

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Luke highlighted that he wasn't happy with Dillane being dropped from the squad with Kleyn being ahead of him whilst he wasn't even Irish qualified so it's nothing to do with Dev not being picked.

If you listened to Luke on is podcast you'll see that he says quite clearly that he wasn't a fan of Strauss etc being picked for Ireland and isn't a fan of Lowe getting picked either highlighting would people be happy if Earls gets dropped for Lowe. I

Did he make a similar point in 2017 when Aki first got capped keeping any number of Irish born centres out of the team?

He's a guy who gets up at six o'clock in the morning regardless of what time it is.

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