I didn't "defend" the UFC; I simply stated that the level of self-destructive behavior is much less pronounced than it is in the WWE. The reasons for this are quite clear:

1. UFC fighters are protected from head trauma/concussions to a much greater degree than are fake wrestlers and football players. For instance, they only fight at most 2 or 3X a year. If they suffer a concussion, and very often, even if they don't, they are barred from contact for at least 6 weeks by athletic commissions.

In the WWE, the show never ends. That's right, Owen Hart DIED IN THE RING. Didn't even bother to stop the show. Just haul his dead *** out and continue with the PVV.

edit: what sickens me even more is that after Owen died in the ring, there were numerous spectators who were laughing, smiling and mugging for the camera, as Owen's dead body was being hauled out of the ring. You have really got to question the mentality of people who follow fake wrestling.

Oh, and to make matters worse, WWE entertainers were forced to mock Eddie Guerrero's death in order to generate "heat" as heels. If they didn't they were obviously going to be fired.

Yeah, I have absolutely incontrovertible proof that Vinnie Mac is as f----- up a human being as you'll find.

If you can continue to support a company that allows this, and furthermore, stone walled the Hart family as they sought compensation, I don't have the slightest sympathy for you at all. Of course, you choose to ignore this tragedy and the devastating effect on the hart family--after all, anyone who mentions this reality must be guilty of "guilt-tripping you" and "trolling"

Also, don't get all self righteous and try to invent claims and put words in my mouth. I have already said that if you enjoy watching people destroy each other's bodies and lives, be my guest.

I also already stated that these wrestlers are participating of their own free will. They are ultimately responsible for their own fates.

Third, this is a wrestling discussion thread. Don't get butt hurt and try to be a moderator here. Every one of my posts is on-topic. You are the one issuing person attacks: I am stating DOCUMENTED FACTS about wrestling.

What bothers you is that someone would dare acknowledge that there are problems behind the scenes in pro wrestling. Anyone who acknowledges these issues, much less tries to understand their root cause must be a "troll."

Again, the sick mindset of the selfish sports fan: SEE NO EVIL, HEAR NO EVIL, SPEAK NO EVIL. The mindset that allowed Jerry Sandusky to thrive at Pedo State.

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These guys do it willingly for the money and fame. No one is forcing them to do it, and they can walk away at any given time as some have. I don't need a guilt trip for watching grown people do what they want to their bodies. I have bigger things in life to worry about.

Like mav said we all know all of these guys aren't saints, I don't think anyone claimed that they all are. One of my favorites, Randy Orton, deserted the Marines and almost OD'd. He even got suspended a couple of months ago for a wellness violation. Will I feel bad for cheering for him when he comes back? Nah, not really.

No one asked for your opinion, but now that you've said your piece and we've said ours there's nothing more to discuss here. It's not like you're going to give some epiphany to make anyone here stop watching the WWE, and I hope that wasn't your intent. If it was, you only made yourself look pretty foolish here by defending UFC of all sports as the bastion of all that's right in the world.

WWE would never have thought to have cleaned up it's act without a federal investigation and trial.

In other words, the WWE "cleaned up a ton" because people pointed out systematic criminal behavior within WWE. As you have pointed out, it appears that the WWE is a safer place to work as a result of this criticism.

Your defense of the WWE is eerily similar to those of Pedo State fans who are complaining about Paterno's statue being taken down, and who insist upon their "right" to bowl games, totally ignoring the destruction of people's lives by a pedophile and his superiors and colleagues who protected and harbored him for decades.

What's next: LET'S IGNORE PEDOPHILIA IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. After all, they're doing a lot of good things too, so complaining about child molesters will only interrupt all of the great things they're doing.

Or, let's turn the other way when it comes to Lance Armstrong's EPO cheating. After all, he has a foundation and that's a good thing.

The NBA is fun to watch and my team won the championship so let's ignore the fact that games are rigged by Stern.

OUR LIVES IMPROVE IN EVERY AREA WHEN WE ARE HONEST ABOUT OUR FLAWS AND SEEK TO ADDRESS THEM.

Or, you can bury your head in the sand and remain blithely ignorant, which is obviously your chosen path.

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There's a-holes in all walks of life. Every sport has it's fair share of degenerates. Just look at the # of NFL players arrested every day.

WWE has cleaned up a ton. They do anti-bullying campaigns, drug testing, and actually promote guys that aren't just roided up freaks (though there are still some of those around, what can I say). The WWE champ doesn't smoke or drink.

The face of the company is about as perfect as it gets, the only thing people have on him is him getting a divorce, which now makes him just like 50% of all American adults. Half the guys you named don't even work for WWE anymore.

Using your logic, Michael Vick, Donte Stallworth, Jerry Sandusky...all these criminals involved in football, football is about as sick as it gets! Let's ignore all the good guys that do great stuff for their communities and families, right?

Or, you can bury your head in the sand and remain blithely ignorant, which is obviously your chosen path.

No one's ignoring the bad things that happen in life. But your stance, that anything with any semblance of bad, should be completely eradicated and ignored, is just as ignorant. Human nature means everyone, EVERYONE, has some flaws. No one is perfect, and if you're looking for the perfect person/organization you'll have to look long and hard.

People watch WWE to be entertained, not to use it as a moral compass on American society. You're taking it way too seriously if you do so, and honestly I question your priorities for putting such things on such a high pedestal in the first place.

Like I said, you're not going to change how we look at things, no matter how many posts you put in here, so it's best to agree to disagree and just move on. It's obviously you want some attention, I've foolishly given it to you, now I'm done here. There's no more for me to say to you or your foolish reasoning. You are borderline trolling and obviously want to incite some sort of emotional response from us.

What can we say? That WWE is a bastion of good people, no one there has ever done anything wrong? Of course that's not the case, but that doesn't mean that we (along with millions of others) can't enjoy the product for what it is and not be guilt tripped about what went on 10 years ago.

I still get from time to time when Im wearing a wrestling T-Shirt. Somebody will come up to me and say

"You know thats fake, right?"

I wish I pulled a Vader and slapped the guy. But I usually just say, yep its as fake as everything else on TV.

Fake is just a terrible term to describe that the matches or for the most part scripted and predetermined. It is World Wrestling Entertainment and to me it is entertaining.

I dont watch regular TV shows becuase a guy like Charlie Sheen is such a terrible human being. And I dont watch emovies becuase Mel Gibson is a racists anti-semite. I dont NFL because they are all roided up suicidal maniacs. I dont watch MLB becuase they are illegal aliens whi lie about there age. I dont watch NHL becuase they are communist. I dont watch Basketball becuase they smoke too much weed and shoot guns in public. I dont drive becuase there areterrible human beings driving drunk.

But when the Rock cuts a promo Im there watching it. Its one of the most entertaining things for me. And its great live.

I still get from time to time when Im wearing a wrestling T-Shirt. Somebody will come up to me and say

"You know thats fake, right?"

I wish I pulled a Vader and slapped the guy. But I usually just say, yep its as fake as everything else on TV.

Fake is just a terrible term to describe that the matches or for the most part scripted and predetermined. It is World Wrestling Entertainment and to me it is entertaining.

I dont watch regular TV shows becuase a guy like Charlie Sheen is such a terrible human being. And I dont watch emovies becuase Mel Gibson is a racists anti-semite. I dont NFL because they are all roided up suicidal maniacs. I dont watch MLB becuase they are illegal aliens whi lie about there age. I dont watch NHL becuase they are communist. I dont watch Basketball becuase they smoke too much weed and shoot guns in public. I dont drive becuase there areterrible human beings driving drunk.

But when the Rock cuts a promo Im there watching it. Its one of the most entertaining things for me. And its great live.

May be off-track but can recall guys questioning whether MMA is fake. Frank Lester's missing four teeth changed their minds.

Judging in any sport will always suck. I cant think of a single sport that has judging that hasnt been filled with controversy.

I watched raw 1000 this morning fully and I still feel it lacks. The current guys just didnt do much for the show. The highlight of the show is The Rock hitting the Rock bottom on Bryan. I was waiting for him to no sell it and jump up but he seems to have learned a little.

Slater is good as a squash match. He sells it really well and ya I marked out when APA came out. ═ miss guys like that. Not much talking but just smash anything in front of them. And not goofy like Ryback that guy is just goofy.

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AJ Styles has the all the in ring ability in the world, but cant pull off a fued to save his life.

I went to watch it last night but at 10 UFC is on spike now. TNA starts at 8. Not a fan. I hate to see actual good wrestlers like the Dudleys, Angle, and especially Kennedy/Anderson wasting away in that place. There is room for those guys in WWE. Especially with 3 hour Raws now.

Angelina Love got released in July so there is potential after her no compete clasue is up we may see her in WWE. But WWE dont care about womens wrestling so that wont happen.

It's actually quite the opposite. They travel far less and are in the ring much less frequently. Therefore, they are doing the opposite of wasting away, they are actually preserving their health to a far greater degree than they would be in the E. More power to 'em.

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TNA is really bad. The knockouts cant save it.

AJ Styles has the all the in ring ability in the world, but cant pull off a fued to save his life.

I went to watch it last night but at 10 UFC is on spike now. TNA starts at 8. Not a fan. I hate to see actual good wrestlers like the Dudleys, Angle, and especially Kennedy/Anderson wasting away in that place. There is room for those guys in WWE. Especially with 3 hour Raws now.

Angelina Love got released in July so there is potential after her no compete clasue is up we may see her in WWE. But WWE dont care about womens wrestling so that wont happen.

It's actually quite the opposite. They travel far less and are in the ring much less frequently. Therefore, they are doing the opposite of wasting away, they are actually preserving their health to a far greater degree than they would be in the E. More power to 'em.

Obviously they are physically wasting away slower.

But come one, doing a show at Ripken Stadium called Basebrawl is wasting away.