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Cause they are op as fuck, and if you are good at the AT you are swimming in isk. At the higher levels AT ships win games. So to win you need AT ships, if you win you get more AT ships, which you use again to win and so on. To compete you NEED to be able to field AT ships.

At some point teams become so similar that skill or whatever cant really make up for it anymore and bling wins.

Just look at them, silver magnate is a super vengeance on steroids, malice is a tankier curse for less points, etana is a super logi, fiends are basicely unkillable and do BS damage, cambions do t1 cruiser dps and so on and forth, all for few points. You end up at a Formula 1 esque tournamnet where the only way to win is to have won before or to be extremely rich.

Eve tournaments are ridiculously profitable if you are good. (to be honest they are extremely good isk even if you arent, as long as you win 3 or 4 matches youll make a lot of isk)

Originally Posted by QuackBot

I see you have read nietzsche's little known work "beyond boobs and butts".

So having actually looked at the rules, i just love how ccp realized how shit blood raiders are on TQ by making all of them 2 points cheaper then their other ships, which is funny cause the cruor is actually quite good. (bhaal is alright too)

(or 2 eafs + 2 crucifier or something), this is also a capable semitinker cause the logi frigs + rep bots are immortal and rep bots + self rep setups probably are as well if t2 logi frigs are applied. Can also work by going svipul>harpy and going shield for barghest barghest + t1 bs.

Removal of cap transfers means shield logi that arent scimis are taking a dive, massive nerf to the 2 scorp navy, barghest, widow etc + basi/etana semi tinkers, but rep frigs will pull this back. Im thinking that well see far more shield logi frigs (t2) then regular logi, you can get a medium rep and a 10mn onto a t2 shield logi frigs making them almost unkillable with links and tanking very good amounts.

The old double floon setups will also be most likely making a comeback:

I think well see cruors everywhere in armor, they are too strong for 2 points, web bonus makes them very good for screening and their neuts really powerfull, especially if we see a meta of t2 logi frigs.

Obviously, rlmls will be super strong again, probably stronger then they used to cause tinkers seem gone at first glance, if they can kill logi frigs this comp will be absurdly strong:

(if you field this, or a similar setups, ALWAYS go for the logi first, never ever dont)
now, depending on the meta well see either sentinels/crucifiers here or keres/maulus, sebo changes massively nerf damps and missiles are hardcapped with range, gd spam will always take care of them, turrets dont hit at range but missiles do and a kiting setups will always be at range, hence gds being very probable here.

Other setups are the double mach instead of double floon setups (downgrading confessors to afs), machs do more sustained dps and arent as weak to screening as vindies are, so they win BS brawls more. On the shield side double nightmare might also work for similar reasons, the neuts are going to be quite strong.

Then obviously we have the arty setups and minnie or gal rush (double cs + logi + either hacs, hics or a bs and svipuls).

What would be interesting is how tanky you can make floons/phoons with double rep + t2 logi frigs, you might be able to semitinker in some way, same with xlsb shield bs.

Interesting are as always the all in kinda setups:

Barghest
Barghest
Floon
Floon
vigil
hyena
hyena
stork
rookie ship

or for a more lets burst a bs rather then lets go for the logi

barghest
barghest
floon
floon
burst
burst
hyena
vigil
bomber
bomber

This is going to be the t2 logi frig tournament i think.

Last edited by W0lf Crendraven; July 28 2016 at 10:32:49 PM.

Originally Posted by QuackBot

I see you have read nietzsche's little known work "beyond boobs and butts".

So having actually looked at the rules, i just love how ccp realized how shit blood raiders are on TQ by making all of them 2 points cheaper then their other ships, which is funny cause the cruor is actually quite good. (bhaal is alright too)

The entire theme of the event is Blood Raiders, and officially the reason the point cost is lower is to encourage more BR ships. Though whether this is (also) related to the utility of BR ships I make no claims.

The standout match of the early stages, for me at least, is Vydra versus Exodus in round two - both teams will be strong contenders for a place on the final day, and neither will want to be dumped into the loser's bracket early on, so they'll both probably have to break out some interesting things. There's also the possibility of a Shadow Cartel/Snuff grudge match in round 3, which would be fun if both teams go for it.

The standout match of the early stages, for me at least, is Vydra versus Exodus in round two - both teams will be strong contenders for a place on the final day, and neither will want to be dumped into the loser's bracket early on, so they'll both probably have to break out some interesting things. There's also the possibility of a Shadow Cartel/Snuff grudge match in round 3, which would be fun if both teams go for it.

Holy crap. That's nearly 900B in PLEXes just for those 8 slots. I take this as a good sign that this year's tournament will be a good one.

The standout match of the early stages, for me at least, is Vydra versus Exodus in round two - both teams will be strong contenders for a place on the final day, and neither will want to be dumped into the loser's bracket early on, so they'll both probably have to break out some interesting things. There's also the possibility of a Shadow Cartel/Snuff grudge match in round 3, which would be fun if both teams go for it.

Holy crap. That's nearly 900B in PLEXes just for those 8 slots. I take this as a good sign that this year's tournament will be a good one.

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Originally Posted by Paradox

I swear you are some sort of biological weapon developed in the early '90's for the Yugoslav wars but they lost track of you at some point and now you're waging a psychological war on Western Europe without a clue what you're doing.

so get to prize ships?
I mean im sure they dont need the isk but they just threw away basically a titan for no gain

Titans are shit anyway

Originally Posted by Paul Mason

It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

so get to prize ships?
I mean im sure they dont need the isk but they just threw away basically a titan for no gain

Each of the "get 10 per won match" skins is worth about 3billion or so, + all the plex are shared amongst the top 32 and the top 16 (1 and 2 shares each), so if you win 2 times you get about 75 billion for your corp. Top 3 or 4 is worth about 1 trillion or so and first or second obviously is a lot more. + every win is 30 bil+ more.

Also, if you are serious about the AT you can bet a lot safer then outside people, which can make you seriously rich.

Originally Posted by QuackBot

I see you have read nietzsche's little known work "beyond boobs and butts".

so get to prize ships?
I mean im sure they dont need the isk but they just threw away basically a titan for no gain

Each of the "get 10 per won match" skins is worth about 3billion or so, + all the plex are shared amongst the top 32 and the top 16 (1 and 2 shares each), so if you win 2 times you get about 75 billion for your corp. Top 3 or 4 is worth about 1 trillion or so and first or second obviously is a lot more. + every win is 30 bil+ more.

Also, if you are serious about the AT you can bet a lot safer then outside people, which can make you seriously rich.

none of this changes that they massively overbid to get in the AT

They think they have a good chance at top 4 or so, hence the big buy in (they are a bunch of genos and old darkside players afaik), if you are fine using etanas etc in the tourney (like some of them did last year) making sure they get in is more important then isk.

Originally Posted by QuackBot

I see you have read nietzsche's little known work "beyond boobs and butts".

so get to prize ships?
I mean im sure they dont need the isk but they just threw away basically a titan for no gain

Each of the "get 10 per won match" skins is worth about 3billion or so, + all the plex are shared amongst the top 32 and the top 16 (1 and 2 shares each), so if you win 2 times you get about 75 billion for your corp. Top 3 or 4 is worth about 1 trillion or so and first or second obviously is a lot more. + every win is 30 bil+ more.

Also, if you are serious about the AT you can bet a lot safer then outside people, which can make you seriously rich.

so get to prize ships?
I mean im sure they dont need the isk but they just threw away basically a titan for no gain

Each of the "get 10 per won match" skins is worth about 3billion or so, + all the plex are shared amongst the top 32 and the top 16 (1 and 2 shares each), so if you win 2 times you get about 75 billion for your corp. Top 3 or 4 is worth about 1 trillion or so and first or second obviously is a lot more. + every win is 30 bil+ more.

Also, if you are serious about the AT you can bet a lot safer then outside people, which can make you seriously rich.

none of this changes that they massively overbid to get in the AT

no poors pls

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So, did you make it into the AT team duck?

Originally Posted by QuackBot

I see you have read nietzsche's little known work "beyond boobs and butts".