Makes sense. Now it is possible that Lola, Muswell and Hidden Treasures
get released at the same time.

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Yeah -- except there's still not even a hint of a clue toward a word or announcement for either of the next two Deluxe reissues.

I was hoping the Deluxe run would finish with Muswell Hillbillies, but after reading Doug Hinman's book and reading the setlists, I think it's be so cool to get a Deluxe Everybody's in Show-Biz with the complete Carnegie Hall performances intact...

And now there are rumors of a Deluxe Kelvin Hall (no clue what that could include... it would be an appropriate time period but ridiculous context to finally usher out Till Death Us Do Part and Pictures in the Sand).

May as well throw in a Percy Deluxe as well with the complete film versions of all the songs like the handful we got as bonus tracks on the Castle/Sanctuary reissue.

I've actually gotten myself excited about the prospect of a Deluxe Everybody's in Show-Biz and wanted to see if it could be justified so--humor me--here is my dream list of a realistic Deluxe Edition of Everybody's in Show-Biz:

Now tell me that wouldn't be an awesome Deluxe edition (though I may be a bit biased as I am of the rare camp who actually prefers Show-Biz to Muswell Hillbillies). I wouldn't be totally surprised if some of these extra live Muswell tracks ended up on the Muswell Deluxe but they deserve to be here.

What do you think Russell? Andrew? Could this happen? Did I at least do a good job compiling the hypothetical second disc?

I've actually gotten myself excited about the prospect of a Deluxe Everybody's in Show-Biz and wanted to see if it could be justified so--humor me--here is my dream list of a realistic Deluxe Edition of Everybody's in Show-Biz:

Now tell me that wouldn't be an awesome Deluxe edition (though I may be a bit biased as I am of the rare camp who actually prefers Show-Biz to Muswell Hillbillies). I wouldn't be totally surprised if some of these extra live Muswell tracks ended up on the Muswell Deluxe but they deserve to be here.

What do you think Russell? Andrew? Could this happen? Did I at least do a good job compiling the hypothetical second disc?

Me too. Let's hope that the only reason we haven't gotten a solid announcement regarding Lola and Muswell is because they've decided to round out the next batch with a Showbiz set like or better than this one I dreamed up.

Then they can do one more batch of three: pick up Kelvin Hall (it'd be the weakest Deluxe, but I'd still buy it) and Percy, plus a Deluxe Preservation Acts I&II like the Rhino but with bonus tracks (if they'd fit).

Beyond that, I think they should call it a day with Kinks Deluxes. I mean: as long as they keep making them, I'll keep buying them, but does anyone really need a Deluxe Word of Mouth (which would probably end up more like a two-fer with Return to Waterloo)?

Lola vs Powerman Deluxe should be released before a Deluxe Everybody's in Show-Biz. There is already a great sounding SACD of Everyboy's in Show-Biz. IMHO.
Trying to be patient for a Lola Deluxe release. Got tickets to see Ray Davies in St.Paul.

Lola vs Powerman Deluxe should be released before a Deluxe Everybody's in Show-Biz. There is already a great sounding SACD of Everyboy's in Show-Biz. IMHO.
Trying to be patient for a Lola Deluxe release. Got tickets to see Ray Davies in St.Paul.

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I agree. But there's also an SACD of Muswell. I don't think it would hurt if Lola, Muswell, and Showbiz all came out at the same time. Both of the last two batches were groups of three after all.

I got tickets to see Ray in Charlotte! My first time. I'm very excited.

In addition to these titles/versions, Hinman also mention 4-5 different takes of Lola all in different keys, with different beginnings, and different feels.
Hinman also mentions the possibility of some Part Two LP unfinished backing tracks.

Beyond this, here is a list of stuff that either exists or has existed that is less appropriate for the time period but still close, and some of it seems unlikely to be released because it is either missing or undesired for release by the powers that be:

Toymaker (Ray Davies demo, Dec. 1968)
Monday Tuesday Wednesday (Ray Davies demo, Dec. 1968)
We Are Two of a Kind (Where Was Spring)
When I Turn Out the Living Room Light (from BBC Sessions CD)
Let's Take Off Our Clothes (Where Was Spring)
Pictures in the Sand (from The Great Lost Kinks Album LP)
Till Death Us Do Part (from The Great Lost Kinks Album LP)
Till Death Us Do Part (Chas Mills vocal, from Till Death Us Do Part LP)
Darling I Respect You (Where Was Spring)
The Virgin Soldier March/Ballad of the Virgin Soldier

Muswell Hillbillies

Again, a list of stuff we know exists or did, though mush of it is fairly uninteresting:

This all seemed pretty bare bones until I ran across a quick note in Doug Hinman's book in which he mentions that the band records "up to 20 demos of songs in London for consideration for their new album, including all the songs eventually on the Muswell Hillbillies LP, plus unreleased items including one called 'Rosie Rook'."

Combine this Hinman note with the unique and mysterious note from thekinks.info only attributed to the Muswell Deluxe and none of the others: "this deluxe edition comes with a bonus disc of unreleased performances many being heard for the first time," and I have a funny gut feeling that a lot of those London demos will show up on the Muswell Deluxe, probably even taking priority over ad nauseam alternate short edits of 20th Century Man.

I don't mean to get mine or anyone's hopes up, but I'm more excited about these Deluxe Editions now than ever.

Regarding Toymaker and Monday Tuesday wednesday, (both recorded by the band The Wild Silk) it was discovered a few years ago that these two songs were written by an Allan Davies, not Ray, and have no association with the Kinks.

Regarding Toymaker and Monday Tuesday wednesday, (both recorded by the band The Wild Silk) it was discovered a few years ago that these two songs were written by an Allan Davies, not Ray, and have no association with the Kinks.

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Interesting. I was going by Hinman's book. I wonder where he got the info that Ray was recording the demos...?

got my first Deluxe today...Kontroversy is in the house...Awaiting on Arthur to arrive as well...nicely done I have to say...granted its one of the more meager track listings but man, I love these songs...

Just a point on the hypothethetical Lola/Hillbillies/Show-biz Deluxe tracklists that short edits and live BBC TV tracks have so far been omitted from the Deluxe Editions. So we should be spared the three different 20th Century Man edits.

If TV tracks are uncluded, Marathon Man from the Long Distance Piano Player is otherwise unreleased and there is also a version of Got To Be Free from the same play. Also a live in the studio version of Moneygoround from the "From The Rainbow" TV show. And of course live tracks from the show and possibly the whole shows still on tape.....

Just a point on the hypothethetical Lola/Hillbillies/Show-biz Deluxe tracklists that short edits and live BBC TV tracks have so far been omitted from the Deluxe Editions. So we should be spared the three different 20th Century Man edits.

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You're right about the Deluxes, though some edits have trickled out as bonus tracks on the Velvel CDs so I thought they'd be worth mentioning, but I think I can live without them for sure. If you take out edits, that only leaves Mountain Woman, Kentucky Moon, and three BBC tracks (one previously unreleased) which leaves a lot of room for those 20 demos... I sure hope we get those. It seems logical doesn't it? Or am I the only one who thinks so?

Interesting. I was going by Hinman's book. I wonder where he got the info that Ray was recording the demos...?

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It looks like this might have been a bookkeeping error on the publisher's part. From an e-mail Hinman sent to the Kinks list in '08:

Regarding Mitch Cullin's post on digest 3072 asking about Wild Silk
songs attributed to Ray Davies, I should let you know that authorship
of those two songs you ask about are in fact under question as despite
the fact that the record labels clearly state Ray Davies (and in this
case clearly not the trumpeter Ray Davies which sometimes causes
confusion), lists the same publisher at the time as Kink Ray and
coupled with the fact that the recordings were produced by Shel Talmy
it always seemed like a slam-dunk conclusion. I took it a step further
and confirmed that the publisher themselves listed Toymaker among it's
holdings of Ray Davies songs.

However, a challenge to this accepted wisdom only came to light fairly
recently (just after my book on Backbeat came out) as Allan Davies'
wife wrote in to Dave Emlen to complain that her husband's songs had
been wrongly attributed to Ray on his website, ironically the same
publishers but different Davies explaining that it was the publisher's
error right from the start. Mrs. Davies promised at the time to send
copies of her husband's songwriting contracts for those titles but,
(correct me if I am wrong, Dave) I don't believe she ever was
forthcoming in the end. Her story was very convincing however and
worthy of looking into but frankly I never followed up on the question
at the time for a number of reasons. For the moment, the bottom line
is that I would not spend any big time or $$ searching for these until
I can definitively get to the bottom of this. I will try to post again
if I learn anything.

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I don't think I've ever heard "Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday," but "Toymaker" is fairly easy to find — it's on one of the Rubble psych comps. And for that matter on YouTube.

Russell needs to chime back in with a tasty morsel to tease us with, no matter how small, no matter how cryptic, no matter how insignificant. I'm sure the slightest little hint at the next batch of Deluxe Editions would fire this thread back up.

Russell needs to chime back in with a tasty morsel to tease us with, no matter how small, no matter how cryptic, no matter how insignificant. I'm sure the slightest little hint at the next batch of Deluxe Editions would fire this thread back up.

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Here's one for ya: in the next week or so, Andrew Sandoval is heading back to London to work on more Kinks Deluxe editions

Russell needs to chime back in with a tasty morsel to tease us with, no matter how small, no matter how cryptic, no matter how insignificant. I'm sure the slightest little hint at the next batch of Deluxe Editions would fire this thread back up.

Here's one for ya: in the next week or so, Andrew Sandoval is heading back to London to work on more Kinks Deluxe editions

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How do you know?? Is this confirmed???

Very exciting. Perhaps my dream deluxe Everybody's in Show-Biz will happen afterall. A Deluxe Preservation would be nice too, but maybe 3 discs with both albums put together. I don't think either has enough solid bonus content to justify two discs on its own.