After five and a half years of National Socialism it was evident to the few Germans who opposed Hitler that only the Army possessed the physical strength to overthrow him. The workers, the middle and upper classes, even if they had wanted to, had no means of doing it. They had no organization outside of the Nazi party groups, and they were, of course, unarmed.

[e.s.]

Shirer, William L., The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich Ch.12 "The Road to Munich;" Section 4, "Birth of a Conspiracy Against Hitler."

After five and a half years of National Socialism it was evident to the few Germans who opposed Hitler that only the Army possessed the physical strength to overthrow him. The workers, the middle and upper classes, even if they had wanted to, had no means of doing it. They had no organization outside of the Nazi party groups, and they were, of course, unarmed.

[e.s.]

Shirer, William E., The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich Ch.12 "The Road to Munich;" Section 4, "Birth of a Conspiracy Against Hitler."

Yup, and those few who DID try and organize or resist were the FIRST inmates at concentration camps long before the Jews, Slavs and Gypsies.

Originally Posted By Napoleon_Tanerite:i'll just file this one under "no shit"

I was surprised and impressed that a book published in 1960 (8 years before most of the PITA gun restrictions we put up with came into being - you could buy handguns by mail then) and written by a man not generally known as an RKBA activist (I don't know whether he was or not) lists the lack of arms among the civilian populace as a leading obstacle to revolutionary overthrow of the Nazis. What part do you think qualifies as a "no shit" proposition?

Originally Posted By Napoleon_Tanerite:i'll just file this one under "no shit"

I was surprised and impressed that a book published in 1960 (8 years before most of the PITA gun restrictions we put up with came into being - you could buy handguns by mail then) and written by a man not generally known as an RKBA activist (I don't know whether he was or not) lists the lack of arms among the civilian populace as a leading obstacle to revolutionary overthrow of the Nazis. What part do you think qualifies as a "no shit" proposition?

Originally Posted By Napoleon_Tanerite:i'll just file this one under "no shit"

I was surprised and impressed that a book published in 1960 (8 years before most of the PITA gun restrictions we put up with came into being - you could buy handguns by mail then) and written by a man not generally known as an RKBA activist (I don't know whether he was or not) lists the lack of arms among the civilian populace as a leading obstacle to revolutionary overthrow of the Nazis. What part do you think qualifies as a "no shit" proposition?

That is nothing more than a thorough and competent historian.

Truth has no agenda.

True that. The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich is pretty much the benchmark for the history of WWII Germany. It's a long read but I got through it about 25 or so years ago. It has lots of neat pictures too.

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

Originally Posted By PaDanby:No kidding? And I thought after the Wall fell everything was ok over there.

(This marks the 578th time the sky has fallen this year.)

1933- Hitler comes to power.1945- Nazi Germany defeated. -No more Nazis in power in Europe.-East Germany (Communist) set up by Soviets, who were...Communists.-West Germany set up by Western Powers who are free.1961- Berlin Wall set up to keep E. Germans from fleeing to West.1989- Wall opened up- E. Germans allowed free travel to west.1991. E. Germany abolished, when it merges with West Germany.- Soviet Union also abolished. No more Communists in power in Europe.

Print this up and keep it in your wallet.

"Yeah, it's great living here. You never have to grow up here. Everything is always someone else's fault." -piccolo's sister, on life in Massachusetts

Originally Posted By PaDanby:No kidding? And I thought after the Wall fell everything was ok over there.

(This marks the 578th time the sky has fallen this year.)

1933- Hitler comes to power.1945- Nazi Germany defeated. -No more Nazis in power in Europe.-East Germany (Communist) set up by Soviets, who were...Communists.-West Germany set up by Western Powers who are free.1961- Berlin Wall set up to keep E. Germans from fleeing to West.1989- Wall opened up- E. Germans allowed free travel to west.1991. E. Germany abolished, when it merges with West Germany.- Soviet Union also abolished. No more Communists in power in Europe.

Print this up and keep it in your wallet.

Yeah no shit? and what does posting a quote from a fifty some-odd year old book have to do with the 2nd Amendment. They were unarmed ? Gees I never heard that before. It was a stupid post and my nonsensical reply was to highlight that some guys around here don't know the difference and when the wall went up or down.

Again it was a stupid post. I know I'll go find a quote from Huckleberry Finn with nigger in it and say Books and the First Amendment?

Heel I read the book almost 40 years ago. I guess junior finally dragged himself through it.

Most of the guys around here are already indoctrinated with the Nazis and Gun Control.

You wanna spin this up post it in the History forum. Otherwise, find some more current dead horse to beat. How about Bill Clinton married a nasty lady? No most of us know that. 45s beat out 9mm. hmm most know that.

I know

Pancho Villa crossed the border!!

They can't hit an elephant at this diiiis - The late General John Sedgewick

Originally Posted By PaDanby:No kidding? And I thought after the Wall fell everything was ok over there.

(This marks the 578th time the sky has fallen this year.)

1933- Hitler comes to power.1945- Nazi Germany defeated. -No more Nazis in power in Europe.-East Germany (Communist) set up by Soviets, who were...Communists.-West Germany set up by Western Powers who are free.1961- Berlin Wall set up to keep E. Germans from fleeing to West.1989- Wall opened up- E. Germans allowed free travel to west.1991. E. Germany abolished, when it merges with West Germany.- Soviet Union also abolished. No more Communists in power in Europe.

Print this up and keep it in your wallet.

Yeah no shit? and what does posting a quote from a fifty some-odd year old book have to do with the 2nd Amendment. They were unarmed ? Gees I never heard that before. It was a stupid post and my nonsensical reply was to highlight that some guys around here don't know the difference and when the wall went up or down.

Again it was a stupid post. I know I'll go find a quote from Huckleberry Finn with nigger in it and say Books and the First Amendment?

Heel I read the book almost 40 years ago. I guess junior finally dragged himself through it.

Most of the guys around here are already indoctrinated with the Nazis and Gun Control.

You wanna spin this up post it in the History forum. Otherwise, find some more current dead horse to beat. How about Bill Clinton married a nasty lady? No most of us know that. 45s beat out 9mm. hmm most know that.

Originally Posted By PaDanby:No kidding? And I thought after the Wall fell everything was ok over there.

(This marks the 578th time the sky has fallen this year.)

1933- Hitler comes to power.1945- Nazi Germany defeated. -No more Nazis in power in Europe.-East Germany (Communist) set up by Soviets, who were...Communists.-West Germany set up by Western Powers who are free.1961- Berlin Wall set up to keep E. Germans from fleeing to West.1989- Wall opened up- E. Germans allowed free travel to west.1991. E. Germany abolished, when it merges with West Germany.- Soviet Union also abolished. No more Communists in power in Europe.

Print this up and keep it in your wallet.

Yeah no shit? and what does posting a quote from a fifty some-odd year old book have to do with the 2nd Amendment. They were unarmed ? Gees I never heard that before. It was a stupid post and my nonsensical reply was to highlight that some guys around here don't know the difference and when the wall went up or down.

Again it was a stupid post. I know I'll go find a quote from Huckleberry Finn with nigger in it and say Books and the First Amendment?

Heel I read the book almost 40 years ago. I guess junior finally dragged himself through it.

Most of the guys around here are already indoctrinated with the Nazis and Gun Control.

You wanna spin this up post it in the History forum. Otherwise, find some more current dead horse to beat. How about Bill Clinton married a nasty lady? No most of us know that. 45s beat out 9mm. hmm most know that.

I know

Pancho Villa crossed the border!!

You shouldn't drink and post.

Either that, or NOT while on the rag....or both!

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Originally Posted By PaDanby:No kidding? And I thought after the Wall fell everything was ok over there.

(This marks the 578th time the sky has fallen this year.)

1933- Hitler comes to power.1945- Nazi Germany defeated. -No more Nazis in power in Europe.-East Germany (Communist) set up by Soviets, who were...Communists.-West Germany set up by Western Powers who are free.1961- Berlin Wall set up to keep E. Germans from fleeing to West.1989- Wall opened up- E. Germans allowed free travel to west.1991. E. Germany abolished, when it merges with West Germany.- Soviet Union also abolished. No more Communists in power in Europe.

Print this up and keep it in your wallet.

Yeah no shit? and what does posting a quote from a fifty some-odd year old book have to do with the 2nd Amendment. They were unarmed ? Gees I never heard that before. It was a stupid post and my nonsensical reply was to highlight that some guys around here don't know the difference and when the wall went up or down.

Again it was a stupid post. I know I'll go find a quote from Huckleberry Finn with nigger in it and say Books and the First Amendment?

Heel I read the book almost 40 years ago. I guess junior finally dragged himself through it.

Most of the guys around here are already indoctrinated with the Nazis and Gun Control.

You wanna spin this up post it in the History forum. Otherwise, find some more current dead horse to beat. How about Bill Clinton married a nasty lady? No most of us know that. 45s beat out 9mm. hmm most know that.

I know

Pancho Villa crossed the border!!

Why is it that the professor from Gilligan's Island can make a radio out of a coconut, but he can't fix a hole in a boat?

Originally Posted By PaDanby:No kidding? And I thought after the Wall fell everything was ok over there.

(This marks the 578th time the sky has fallen this year.)

1933- Hitler comes to power.1945- Nazi Germany defeated. -No more Nazis in power in Europe.-East Germany (Communist) set up by Soviets, who were...Communists.-West Germany set up by Western Powers who are free.1961- Berlin Wall set up to keep E. Germans from fleeing to West.1989- Wall opened up- E. Germans allowed free travel to west.1991. E. Germany abolished, when it merges with West Germany.- Soviet Union also abolished. No more Communists in power in Europe.

Print this up and keep it in your wallet.

Yeah no shit? and what does posting a quote from a fifty some-odd year old book have to do with the 2nd Amendment. They were unarmed ? Gees I never heard that before. It was a stupid post and my nonsensical reply was to highlight that some guys around here don't know the difference and when the wall went up or down.

Again it was a stupid post. I know I'll go find a quote from Huckleberry Finn with nigger in it and say Books and the First Amendment?

Heel I read the book almost 40 years ago. I guess junior finally dragged himself through it.

Most of the guys around here are already indoctrinated with the Nazis and Gun Control.

You wanna spin this up post it in the History forum. Otherwise, find some more current dead horse to beat. How about Bill Clinton married a nasty lady? No most of us know that. 45s beat out 9mm. hmm most know that.

I know

Pancho Villa crossed the border!!

Run out of tampons tonight or something?

Whether we bring our enemies to justice, or justice to our enemies, justice will be done. -W

Originally Posted By Napoleon_Tanerite:i'll just file this one under "no shit"

I was surprised and impressed that a book published in 1960 (8 years before most of the PITA gun restrictions we put up with came into being - you could buy handguns by mail then) and written by a man not generally known as an RKBA activist (I don't know whether he was or not) lists the lack of arms among the civilian populace as a leading obstacle to revolutionary overthrow of the Nazis. What part do you think qualifies as a "no shit" proposition?

Excellent observation. And it shows just how politizied the issue of gun ownership has become.