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Calling in MP not only leaves me vulnerable to a re-shove but also gives really good odds for a bigger stack to call though. Obviously shoving wouldnt be ideal, but re-raising to 10k means i have to call to a re-shove. I'm making myself way too vulnerable OOP, something I'm sure most poker players can identify with

The all-in is 12 BB here, and we have a bit over 50. A call and, if a big stack should shove too, a fold would be bad. I can see your reasoning for a fold, but a push would be no mistake in that situation.

Fold here you have too much behind you if you get a raise you have to be willing to go all in here if you flat before they play after you and you get big stack afterwards preferably just flat and hope they do not raise and play if not fold and let this hand go and hope for the next one hehe? Anyway good luck mate hope we were helpful and crush those players and hope they still limps and you take there money!

Posted by BeMyATMplz:it's important to have as many players covered as possible for KO reasons.

People put far too much thought into taking players bounties in these tournies... There were 9 players left, so even if tones took out all of them, he would win an extra $2 in bounties. Which would have been totally insignificant when compared to the rise in cash for each position.

I dont hate your fold either and i would have probably done the same thing. AQ looks like a pretty hand but if you get called, you are nearly always behind and with your stack, there was time to wait for a better spot

Posted by BeMyATMplz:it's important to have as many players covered as possible for KO reasons.

People put far too much thought into taking players bounties in these tournies... There were 9 players left, so even if tones took out all of them, he would win an extra $2 in bounties. Which would have been totally insignificant when compared to the rise in cash for each position.Lol, Easy fold IMO, without a second thought.

lol please think logical.What do you think is an average winrate in these? It's about 50% for top regs.One KO more per tourney increases ones ROI by almost 20%.You wanna tell me this isn't worth it?.One KO is worth about 0.3% of the prizepool. Thus, we can make plays that are from ICM perspective -0.3% in nash (which I'd already consider as big ICM mistake) and be breakeven or better. Not to forget the future equity on increasing our stack if we win. You guys all want to differ regulars/turbo/hypers for future play reasons and here you dont even take it into consideration?And then saying "without a second thought", how ridiculously tight do you think his shoving range is here? He should basicly even shove hands like A2s (with the deadmoney of the UTG limper in the pot).

Winrates at KO SNGs are higher than non-KO winrates for a reason. Look up regs that play mostly KO SNGs, I think I haven't seen one whose winrate is lower at KOs than at regular ones (including myself (I played roughly 3.5K KO SNGs at good winrate), so I dont think anyone can say I don't know what I'm talking about.

Posted by doubletop777:I dont hate your fold either and i would have probably done the same thing. AQ looks like a pretty hand but if you get called, you are nearly always behind and with your stack, there was time to wait for a better spot

Posted by BeMyATMplz:it's important to have as many players covered as possible for KO reasons.

People put far too much thought into taking players bounties in these tournies... There were 9 players left, so even if tones took out all of them, he would win an extra $2 in bounties. Which would have been totally insignificant when compared to the rise in cash for each position.Lol, Easy fold IMO, without a second thought.

lol please think logical.What do you think is an average winrate in these? It's about 50% for top regs.One KO more per tourney increases ones ROI by almost 20%.You wanna tell me this isn't worth it?.One KO is worth about 0.3% of the prizepool. Thus, we can make plays that are from ICM perspective -0.3% in nash (which I'd already consider as big ICM mistake) and be breakeven or better. Not to forget the future equity on increasing our stack if we win. You guys all want to differ regulars/turbo/hypers for future play reasons and here you dont even take it into consideration?And then saying "without a second thought", how ridiculously tight do you think his shoving range is here? He should basicly even shove hands like A2s (with the deadmoney of the UTG limper in the pot).

Winrates at KO SNGs are higher than non-KO winrates for a reason. Look up regs that play mostly KO SNGs, I think I haven't seen one whose winrate is lower at KOs than at regular ones (including myself (I played roughly 3.5K KO SNGs at good winrate), so I dont think anyone can say I don't know what I'm talking about.

I am thinking very logically... I would push AQ, again without a second thought, but calling all in is totally different to pushing all in.

Edit... My answers were in regards to a MTT KO tourney, where each bounty is $0.25 and the prizes for final table start at ~$100 up to ~$2,000 for 1st - this is why I was saying KO's are totally irrelevant, and also why I would certainly fold AQ in that situation... as each player knocked out rises your prize by upwards of $100 sometimes.

When you say he should shove hands like A2... Yes, he should. But you should almost never CALL all in with hands like that - certainly not with other players to act after you.

I would re shove this easy. And limp+KO is reason more to do that. Flating here is for me bad decision because if you have bad players behind they could flat too easily and then you have to hit, and if you have agro players behind they could shove some small pair that they would fold to your shove. Fold is kind of tight there especially with KO bounty and limper in hand.

small stack has a wide rangei would shove this against a limber and small stack looking for a doublepeople dont give a credit to aq , it is still a strong handlook it this way , only hands to fear are qq+ or ak , and you are domaniting against any othet A or flipping against a pair , obviously they had much worsei live in mtts thanks to small stacks , they desperate and in need of double

Posted by BeMyATMplz:it's important to have as many players covered as possible for KO reasons.

People put far too much thought into taking players bounties in these tournies... There were 9 players left, so even if tones took out all of them, he would win an extra $2 in bounties. Which would have been totally insignificant when compared to the rise in cash for each position.Lol, Easy fold IMO, without a second thought.

lol please think logical.What do you think is an average winrate in these? It's about 50% for top regs.One KO more per tourney increases ones ROI by almost 20%.You wanna tell me this isn't worth it?.One KO is worth about 0.3% of the prizepool. Thus, we can make plays that are from ICM perspective -0.3% in nash (which I'd already consider as big ICM mistake) and be breakeven or better. Not to forget the future equity on increasing our stack if we win. You guys all want to differ regulars/turbo/hypers for future play reasons and here you dont even take it into consideration?And then saying "without a second thought", how ridiculously tight do you think his shoving range is here? He should basicly even shove hands like A2s (with the deadmoney of the UTG limper in the pot).

Winrates at KO SNGs are higher than non-KO winrates for a reason. Look up regs that play mostly KO SNGs, I think I haven't seen one whose winrate is lower at KOs than at regular ones (including myself (I played roughly 3.5K KO SNGs at good winrate), so I dont think anyone can say I don't know what I'm talking about.

I am thinking very logically... I would push AQ, again without a second thought, but calling all in is totally different to pushing all in.

Edit... My answers were in regards to a MTT KO tourney, where each bounty is $0.25 and the prizes for final table start at ~$100 up to ~$2,000 for 1st - this is why I was saying KO's are totally irrelevant, and also why I would certainly fold AQ in that situation... as each player knocked out rises your prize by upwards of $100 sometimes.

When you say he should shove hands like A2... Yes, he should. But you should almost never CALL all in with hands like that - certainly not with other players to act after you.

This is a $1.50 90 player KO SNG with a $0.27 bounty and $96.30 regular prizepool iirc.

It depends on how loose or tight the player that raises is. If he is loose I would go all in. If he is tight the fold is correct especially because an early raise is always a sign for a goog hand and from a tight player even more so.

The way I see it the range of the UTG+1 is really loose with the limper in there and I don't think anyone disputes that if you were the last to act it would be an instant call. So the question is how much do the big stacks behind you threaten you?

Well tbh I think you should consider how much you are a threat to them. Unless they have double your stack the bounty is nowhere near enough incentive to risk their lead with any two. Although it depends on their table images, I think you shouldn't let them worry you because they will nearly always have position on you.

My move (probably the most stupid nine times out of ten) is to call. Because whilst AK and top pairs instantly call a shove, I don't think they'll go over the top without better. It's a dangerous spot to bluff so you can get away from cold hands. Yeah, they might be tempted to call with the added value but you've got good cards, you're dominating their calling range and if you have to fold the flop you've got a good size stack left.