I figured that since Cod5 has its own thread so why don't we start one for HoN/DotA? It's more HoN these days for me but since DotA is balancing differently now I still like to keep up with the scene.

So, who plays? Your thoughts? Has it made your life better or worse? Do you want to quit when you see deadwood on the other team (or scout on your team?)? This is the thread for you!

username: flat_head (dressed by the internet I see), in b4 "lol your stats suck so everything you say is invalid"

Inaugural first whine: Deadwood is disgusting. He can run around with boots and solo instagib most heroes with gear at level 6. He is so item independent that he rapes without them - anything he gets just makes him rape more. He's the latest step in the S2 circlejerk that thinks that their heroes being banned and used in tournaments = better hero design, when in reality they're just OP as fuck.

+1 on deadwood. He's pretty much a joke right now. All of S2's heroes are way overpowered. They have this mentality that playing 4v5 for 30 minutes and then having your carry come out and auto attack everything to death is fun. It's not. I still prefer HON over Dota because the engine is far superior.

+1 on deadwood. He's pretty much a joke right now. All of S2's heroes are way overpowered. They have this mentality that playing 4v5 for 30 minutes and then having your carry come out and auto attack everything to death is fun. It's not. I still prefer HON over Dota because the engine is far superior.

lol they realized playing 4v5 wasn't that fun, so they went and made a hero that could rape 4v5 :| I think S2's idea of good hero design is to have every single skill on every single one of their heroes be a "killer" - that is, a gamechanger by itself. Compare puppet master and maliken (i really hate maliken too) to heroes like pyro and hag (formerly known as lina and akasha). pyro and hag are well designed because they really do have skill synergy - every one combines to make a part of a whole, coherent, well-designed theme. They're going to run out of hero ideas soon because they'll find that the heroes they make already do every damn thing. Then they'll port dark seer and dirge, which I wouldn't mind at all. Engine is great though, but once map editor is out and someone makes a direct dota port, I'm playing that.

On the contrary I think the S2 heroes have too much synergy. Deadwood is a perfect example, where all his abilities go perfectly together. Engineer is a good design. His abilities make him an asset and have good synergy but he's not a monster like Forsaken Archer or Madman (prior to his most recent nerf). I played Dota for years, dude. I won't be playing the direct dota port if someone does indeed make one. It's the kind of game that needs to evolve over time, and S2's evolution is going to be the best as they have a real development team and access to information and statistics that IceFrog never did.

On the contrary I think the S2 heroes have too much synergy. Deadwood is a perfect example, where all his abilities go perfectly together.

Engineer is a good design. His abilities make him an asset and have good synergy but he's not a monster like Forsaken Archer or Madman (prior to his most recent nerf).

I played Dota for years, dude. I won't be playing the direct dota port if someone does indeed make one. It's the kind of game that needs to evolve over time, and S2's evolution is going to be the best as they have a real development team and access to information and statistics that IceFrog never did.

I think they only look like they have synergy because they're OP as fuck. The platonic ideal of S2 hero synergy is a hero with blink and three AoE stuns.

I agree that engi's recent buff made him pretty balanced - only reason he isn't used more I guess is because the metagame isn't kind to him right now - once we get more pushing in, he'll definitely be an asset because he can completely gimp towers.

I guess what you say is true, which is why S2's patch cycle is much much faster than icefrog's. Ultimately it'll become a better game I think, but right now, given the same engine, I'd probably play dota. Not being an icefrog fanboy here, but even with better statistics and information about the way the game is played, it won't mean a thing if you can't balance properly.

I've been playing too much newerth of late, but it's good times. I'll agree with the deadwood statements, but I find in the games I play pushing isn't ever an issue. Some of my friends only play EM though which is a pain in the ass.

You dislike Deadwood (which is btw, the best anti-carry and mid solo I can think of)? Just play BD and your problem is solved. He's certainly very easy for him to pub stomp but you won't solo a team like carries does. And the only reason to play Em is to have a fun non-serious game. Anyone thinks that this game makes you angry/rage way too easily?

god yes. some people are just retarded. not to mention that the hon/dota community is easily the worst of any game that I can think of. Most games I play these days are just IH's with friends though, just to keep the stress down.

You dislike Deadwood (which is btw, the best anti-carry and mid solo I can think of)? Just play BD and your problem is solved. He's certainly very easy for him to pub stomp but you won't solo a team like carries does.

And the only reason to play Em is to have a fun non-serious game.

Anyone thinks that this game makes you angry/rage way too easily?

I rage when my pub team gets stomped by deadwood and let a carry kill them all :-/