quote:Mike Triplett ?@TripTP @PatrickORly @bobdarto I admire the efforts of whoever did this, but even if they filled in some of the blanks with Cerullo after the fact.. View conversation Reply Retweet Favorite

Mike Triplett ?@TripTP @PatrickORly @bobdarto ...I think that ledger still "is what it is." A flimsy piece but one of the many "puzzle pieces" the NFL relied on.

Mike Triplett ?@TripTP @PatrickORly @bobdarto I think the league relied even more on eyewitness testimony than that ledger itself. So even if you throw it out ...

quote:Mike Triplett ?@TripTP @PatrickORly @bobdarto I think the league relied even more on eyewitness testimony than that ledger itself. So even if you throw it out ...

The league is the one who put out this document, not the Saints, and they obviously did it for PR reasons. If they're going to do that, then the document AND their motives are fair game and they deserve every bit of criticism they get.

quote:does anybody have a picture of the transcribed ledger that was typed up? I remember seeing a few spots on the transcibed version that said "illegible" but now all of a sudden everything is legible. Anybody?

for example: at the bottom of the ledger it says "get with Gregg + Joe see if i have all amounts"

but in the typed up version it says "get with Gregg + Joe see (illegible) all amounts."

Why was it illegible at first but now it is legible?

if the final copy is what the league is calling the "document", there is nothing really illegible in

quote:I just want to go on record as thinking this is going to blow up making us all look like silly conspiracy theorists because we're having a gigantic over-reaction due to not understanding how technology works. Opening a PDF in illustrator artificially creates layers as Illustrator tries to render the PDF as an image. This thread is going to seriously hurt our credibility as a fan base, used as proof by other fan bases that we will literally grasp on to anything. /debbiedowner

re: SaintsReport post on modified hand-written documents(Posted by Vortex331 on 10/10/12 at 10:55 am to ThePurpleHornet)

That's a conspiracy theory on conspiracy theorists... LOL

If the PDF is flat, and it is indeed a scanned image, there should be only ONE layer. If there are manipulations and the layers aren't flattened out before exporting to PDF, or the ability to edit the layers isn't turned off when exported, the layers will remain visible when it's opened in Illustrator.

re: SaintsReport post on modified hand-written documents(Posted by kclsufan on 10/10/12 at 10:58 am to ThePurpleHornet)

quote:Interesting note about how Illustrator works.

quote: I just want to go on record as thinking this is going to blow up making us all look like silly conspiracy theorists because we're having a gigantic over-reaction due to not understanding how technology works. Opening a PDF in illustrator artificially creates layers as Illustrator tries to render the PDF as an image. This thread is going to seriously hurt our credibility as a fan base, used as proof by other fan bases that we will literally grasp on to anything. /debbiedowner

This doesn't explain some of the handwriting issues. Also, others on SR are claiming in no uncertain terms that the document was doctored since the added-in portions have much cleaner edges when blown-up than the handwritten portions. However, I'll defer to someone who knows more about this than me.

re: SaintsReport post on modified hand-written documents(Posted by Eighteen on 10/10/12 at 11:07 am to Hazelnut)

just look at the two pictures I posted

one is the original, raw layer and the other is the final layer . there are extreme differences and words, letters and numbers were filled in. when you zoom in on the big .pdf found on SR (can't link it) you can see the changes in texture, pen strokes and pixelation

basically the NFL had the document digitally altered...the question is if they did it for clarity or if they did it to fit their story line

ETA: we meed Slo or another attourney to weigh in on the use of digital documents in court...people on SR are saying it is not admissible. also how tampering with a document would be held/punished if used