Best way to describe things is by using Drink! Were all old enough to understand that?

Take Stella Artois and Guinness...I like the taste of a nice cold Stella, nice and light. I also like the taste of Guinness, it's heavy and but great.
Actually thats a rather stupid comparison for these and Forza Vs. GT5, but it's a true story!

Look, i am not saying GT5 clutch is good, even because they don't even allow you to use it with a controller (Something Forza should do, to avoid a shame)... but since they did, i expected it to be like ProStreet clutch like. If you guys never played ProStreet with clutch, i recommend to check it out.

you're not in a position to comment about the clutch. That is all I'm saying.

you're not in a position to comment about the clutch. That is all I'm saying.

you don't respect it, you go on and on about how gt5 is the best and try to sell it all the time.

I don't understand the competition in the first place. Choosing one over another is so idiotic , they're not even in the same platform.

Why i am not in position to comment about? I played with it, so i can talk about anything that i have experienced.

And i go around saying GT5 is the best? AHN? I mean... you have notion of what you just said? Tell me one time that i said GT5 is the best and tried pushed it into people? What i do is tell them facts about the game, but i don't say it is the best... i tell people to try the game, like many people told me to try Forza... you try and see what you think. Clarence tried both, he prefer Forza... do i bother him because that? Do i bother Prophecy?

Really Ozzmcom, you never really had a discussion with me about this subject, all you heard was other people saying or you are going by my "fame", which is also ridiculous.

It sounds like you were just using manual and not manual+clutch. There are 3 settings, auto, manual and manual w/ clutch.

With manual you just press a button and it changes gear for you, but with the clutch you have to press the clutch, then press another button for the gear and then let go of the clutch.

I don't know camel, it was in portuguese, and i had Automatico, Manual and Manual c/câmbio.

I think Manual c/câmbio is supposed to be manual w/clutch. If yes, i played that way, and i pressed the blue button to change gear, B i think... i pressed it, the car went neutral, reved the engine for a while, then change the gear. When i set it to Manual only, it was like GT5, press the button, it changes without dull reving.

Cool - well my shifter adapter is being posted today from the UK so will give it a try soon enough. Wasn't too happy to hear about people using the m+clutch mode to not shift properly and accelerate faster though (or have they patched that now)?

Does it really matter if she played with the clutch or no? With a controller or a Wheel or not?
I drive with out the clutch and on a controller, If I want a clutch & a Wheel I'll turn the system off, grab my keys and go to the Almera(no laughing, i'm poor okay) and use them both then on my nearest backroads?

If Milli doesn't use a Wheel for GT5, then surely playing Forza 4 without a wheel is an equal comparison?

Anyway, arnt we beating a dead horse here and at a stale mate? Milli's played it and made her mind and not going to change it! Same with people not changing there mind about her saying she needs to play with more, cluthc , etc?

Originally Posted by Calster17

I did a 1100 mile round trip to get drunk and push cars out of a muddy field, 10/10 would do again

If you are rich: Both just to drive some cars that aren't in Forza/GT5

It might be the fact that i'm new but i dont get why Milli makes such a fuss about it. All of you guys actually. I bought an PS2 just for GT4 which i could play with my G27. i got bored with Forza 4 because i played Forza 3 too much with the controller. and rfactor. and it being very nice with the G27. i liked GT4 for the Kei-cars too.

Cool - well my shifter adapter is being posted today from the UK so will give it a try soon enough. Wasn't too happy to hear about people using the m+clutch mode to not shift properly and accelerate faster though (or have they patched that now)?

It's not that people aren't shifting properly, it's just that the replay system always shows people bouncing off the rev limiter for a second before changing.

If you were sat in the room watching me play the game, you would see none of that, but in the replay it happens on nearly every gear change. I'm not cheating! Like you thought I was a while back.

It's a bug that's been in replay mode since FM3 and it doesn't look like they're gonna fix it. Not really that important though tbh.

because you've played with a controller, clutches are not designed for buttons

only in every thread possible.
Every single time I see your name there's a gt5 v forza war attached.

I don's say anything because the whole thing is so stupid.

So, only wheel players can talk about a feature that you can also use in controller? So, only wheel players are able to talk, because driving games are not made for buttons! Your reason is pointless, i am sorry.

Also, being involved in discussions about GT5 vs Forza doesn't automatically makes me saying around GT5 is the best and try to sell the game to others. This thread is a clear example of what the discussions are... i challenge you to read the posts and find a post where i said GT5 is the best ever.

It might be the fact that i'm new but i dont get why Milli makes such a fuss about it. All of you guys actually. I bought an PS2 just for GT4 which i could play with my G27. i got bored with Forza 4 because i played Forza 3 too much with the controller. and rfactor. and it being very nice with the G27. i liked GT4 for the Kei-cars too.

Ladies and gentlemens. Please this mess.

I actually never wanted to make a fuss... but i will explain you, i have always been a GT fan... and this discussion about GT vs Forza is older than i ever thought, so... some discussions appeared in the chatbox, and i got a ridiculous, if i may say, fame of being a Forza hater. I never hated the game, i just biased my opinions on videos that i saw.

Everyone always told me to play the game then get my conclusions... so i did, and posted it here, because i really thought people would understand... some people actually did, and thank you for that, but some others still thinking i am wrong and not able to dislike the game, or not able to talk about it because i played it wrong... doesn't matter, really, i played, tested everything and made my opinion, you thinking i am able to or not.

If any Forza person here who never played GT5, and eventually get to play, i would like to read their opinions... even, if they dislike it.

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