I can't appreciate rap with crappy lyrics about sex and doing drugs, almost anything about love, partying, or money. I prefer rap that focuses on a story on someone's life, maybe love life if it's more about conflict rather than heart, current issues with the world, and such. That being said, I don't believe in a perfect artist. Macklemore focuses more about current issues and his challenges about his life, which is what I like about his music, but something like Thrift Shop is meaningless and has no story or emotion (other than catchiness) I could relate or feel towards. Occasionally a rap artist may have something I would enjoy (ex. Start Again - D-Pryde or Where is the Love? - Black Eyed Peas) which has meaningful lyrics that allow you to imagine and think about, while all their other (c)rap is bass, rhymes and other BS.

I can't listen to rap and analyze it, enjoy the subtleties, tap my feet, feel the realism of the vocals and reverb of the instruments like I can other music, it's definitely less musical that can't really be argued, but rap is more about the message, which today is skewed and terrible and about everyone banging each other and getting just a bit too ****ed up, where as from what I've listened of mature rap (Biggie smalls, 2pac) there's an actual message, especially Notorious B.I.G, where I enjoy listening to his lyrics.

That said I enjoy good rap much more than I enjoy metal/heavy rock where all the instruments overload my ears.

The general aesthetic reminds me of "punk", another genre in which people make next to zero effort to actually compose anything inspiring or original yet become angry and belligerent when you call them out on it. They want the best of both worlds -- they want to spit in the face of music to show off their rebellion, then have music lovers silently endorse it, like "Oh ha, you crazy kids!".

It doesn't work out that way and they get upset when people take "elitist" attitudes towards them. They want to offend you but not be offended back.

I also have trouble telling the "deep poetic genius" rappers apart from the rest. People have of course had me listen to Tupac and as far as I could tell, while his vocabulary was slightly larger, it was still a guy rhyming about how great he is over cowbell and kazoo sound effects.

I do in a way "hate" it, because if you truly love something then it's natural to hate anything which threatens it. Hip hop along with "Dr. Luke" style idiotpop have relegated composed music to the fringes of society and turned what was once one of the core forms of human art into a lowest common denominator industry like fast food, pornography or cartoons.

Life is too short to force ones self to endure bad music just to seem open minded.

And is there anything quite as tragic as a really deep trance track you're slipping into and daydreaming to... Where out of nowhere a rapper pops into the mix and starts busting rhymes about how he "want u so bad gurl"? Makes you wanna upload your mp3 onto a usb drive just so you can have a way to throw it at the wall.

Nobody remixed rap interludes into Wagner (the inventor of trance music), why do they do it now?

And is there anything quite as tragic as a really deep trance track you're slipping into and daydreaming to... Where out of nowhere a rapper pops into the mix and starts busting rhymes about how he "want u so bad gurl"? Makes you wanna upload your mp3 onto a usb drive just so you can have a way to throw it at the wall.

Nobody remixed rap interludes into Wagner (the inventor of trance music), why do they do it now?

why would you mix hip-hop, which has a root of dance/party music vibe, with trance music?

You don't go from 2 hrs R&B to all of a sudden recommended classic rock-which-turns out-to-be-deathmetal, it has 2 different vibes, idiotic thing to do if you are trying to get the true vibe of classic rock

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Originally Posted by machoboy

Hip hop has no redeeming musical qualities to me.

The general aesthetic reminds me of "punk", another genre in which people make next to zero effort to actually compose anything inspiring or original yet become angry and belligerent when you call them out on it. They want the best of both worlds -- they want to spit in the face of music to show off their rebellion, then have music lovers silently endorse it, like "Oh ha, you crazy kids!".

It doesn't work out that way and they get upset when people take "elitist" attitudes towards them. They want to offend you but not be offended back.

I also have trouble telling the "deep poetic genius" rappers apart from the rest. People have of course had me listen to Tupac and as far as I could tell, while his vocabulary was slightly larger, it was still a guy rhyming about how great he is over cowbell and kazoo sound effects.

I do in a way "hate" it, because if you truly love something then it's natural to hate anything which threatens it. Hip hop along with "Dr. Luke" style idiotpop have relegated composed music to the fringes of society and turned what was once one of the core forms of human art into a lowest common denominator industry like fast food, pornography or cartoons.

Life is too short to force ones self to endure bad music just to seem open minded.

maybe you should list who you have tried, like a solid list though, I can easily tell you what you can expect to hear from them if they are true to hip-hop in the first place

"deep poetic genius" exist but they are not heavily promoted as always the case, I have posted in almost all hip-hop forums which i've been a member in that Tupac is not really the best of what hip-hop has to offer, he's like the Beats headphone to the headphone industry for an avg consumer, I get perplexed reaction and obviously a lot of hate too, but tupac, Big and Em are entry level rappers, they are fundamentally hip-hop but they are not the best in what you can experience

The general aesthetic reminds me of "punk", another genre in which people make next to zero effort to actually compose anything inspiring or original yet become angry and belligerent when you call them out on it. They want the best of both worlds -- they want to spit in the face of music to show off their rebellion, then have music lovers silently endorse it, like "Oh ha, you crazy kids!".

It doesn't work out that way and they get upset when people take "elitist" attitudes towards them. They want to offend you but not be offended back.

I also have trouble telling the "deep poetic genius" rappers apart from the rest. People have of course had me listen to Tupac and as far as I could tell, while his vocabulary was slightly larger, it was still a guy rhyming about how great he is over cowbell and kazoo sound effects.

I do in a way "hate" it, because if you truly love something then it's natural to hate anything which threatens it. Hip hop along with "Dr. Luke" style idiotpop have relegated composed music to the fringes of society and turned what was once one of the core forms of human art into a lowest common denominator industry like fast food, pornography or cartoons.

Life is too short to force ones self to endure bad music just to seem open minded.

I'm sorry, I almost completely disagree!

To criticise an entire genre that you don't know is incredibly closed-minded. Some punk is entirely throwaway rubbish, some is utter genius. The same with hip-hop. I dare say, the same is to be said for all genres.

Hip hop does not threaten music - the modern music "industry" threatens music. X-Factor threatens music. Fame-whores who are more interested in money than art threaten music.

If you listen to some of the more "intelligent" (usually more underground) punk (and post-punk, and every other bloody genre that punk has influenced; which would be virtually all of them by now!) or hip-hop you'll find music that really pushes boundaries (and isn't interested in being in an advert).

The general aesthetic reminds me of "punk", another genre in which people make next to zero effort to actually compose anything inspiring or original yet become angry and belligerent when you call them out on it. They want the best of both worlds -- they want to spit in the face of music to show off their rebellion, then have music lovers silently endorse it, like "Oh ha, you crazy kids!".

It doesn't work out that way and they get upset when people take "elitist" attitudes towards them. They want to offend you but not be offended back.

I also have trouble telling the "deep poetic genius" rappers apart from the rest. People have of course had me listen to Tupac and as far as I could tell, while his vocabulary was slightly larger, it was still a guy rhyming about how great he is over cowbell and kazoo sound effects.

I do in a way "hate" it, because if you truly love something then it's natural to hate anything which threatens it. Hip hop along with "Dr. Luke" style idiotpop have relegated composed music to the fringes of society and turned what was once one of the core forms of human art into a lowest common denominator industry like fast food, pornography or cartoons.

Life is too short to force ones self to endure bad music just to seem open minded.

I'm sorry, I almost completely disagree!

To criticise an entire genre that you don't know is incredibly closed-minded. Some punk is entirely throwaway rubbish, some is utter genius. The same with hip-hop. I dare say, the same is to be said for all genres.

Hip hop does not threaten music - the modern music "industry" threatens music. X-Factor threatens music. Fame-whores who are more interested in money than art threaten music.

If you listen to some of the more "intelligent" (usually more underground) punk (and post-punk, and every other bloody genre that punk has influenced; which would be virtually all of them by now!) or hip-hop you'll find music that really pushes boundaries (and isn't interested in being in an advert).

I really don't like rap from 2012, 2011, 2010, 2009, **** I hate all new rap that raps about sex and how you are going to make your girl "wet". It's so **** and unoriginal. I miss the oldschool rap & hiphop that actually wasn't just about sex.