The sad thing is that all the liberals would immediately start screaming about how bad the bill was for the country.

So, they want to make sure that those with pre-existing conditions can get coverage without inflated rates, but they want to do away with the individual mandate?

I love that idea. If implemented well it has the potential to bankrupt the health insurance companies within several years. Then we can install a universal single payer system like we should have to begin with.

The sad thing is that all the liberals would immediately start screaming about how bad the bill was for the country.

So, they want to make sure that those with pre-existing conditions can get coverage without inflated rates, but they want to do away with the individual mandate?

I love that idea. If implemented well it has the potential to bankrupt the health insurance companies within several years. Then we can install a universal single payer system like we should have to begin with.

In that case, I'll start screaming about how good it is for the country!

The sad thing is that all the liberals would immediately start screaming about how bad the bill was for the country.

Yeah. Okay. Because liberals haven't been saying this bill is crappy, but better than the sh*t sandwich we had before already.

Are you pretending conservatives aren't screaming non-stop about AHA now? All while supporting when not called "Obamacare"? Supporting it when you go issue by issue?

I'll stick with what HAS happened. You can live by what you believe WILL happen.

Thanks for proving my point.

It isn't what's good or bad for the country that people like you (and your counterparts on the far right) care about. It's about standing in direct opposition to anything the other side proposes.

When did I stand in opposition? Where is the plan?

YOU are the one saying what "will" happen in the future. I'm pointing out what HAS ALREADY HAPPENED.

Are you trolling? Seriously. How do you claim to "prove a point" about something non-existent?

Oh. I GET IT. You are one of those "I'm above it all" people...

I'm not "above it all", certainly. I just use rationality and logic to guide my political views, which is something that the far-left and far-right are incapable of. The teahadist and the herbal tea baggers only care about their games of one-upmanship, and that's fine because it keeps you entertained, but what you are doing isn't politics and it doesn't help the country.

The sad thing is that all the liberals would immediately start screaming about how bad the bill was for the country.

Yeah. Okay. Because liberals haven't been saying this bill is crappy, but better than the sh*t sandwich we had before already.

Are you pretending conservatives aren't screaming non-stop about AHA now? All while supporting when not called "Obamacare"? Supporting it when you go issue by issue?

I'll stick with what HAS happened. You can live by what you believe WILL happen.

Thanks for proving my point.

It isn't what's good or bad for the country that people like you (and your counterparts on the far right) care about. It's about standing in direct opposition to anything the other side proposes.

When did I stand in opposition? Where is the plan?

YOU are the one saying what "will" happen in the future. I'm pointing out what HAS ALREADY HAPPENED.

Are you trolling? Seriously. How do you claim to "prove a point" about something non-existent?

Oh. I GET IT. You are one of those "I'm above it all" people...

I'm not "above it all", certainly. I just use rationality and logic to guide my political views, which is something that the far-left and far-right are incapable of. The teahadist and the herbal tea baggers only care about their games of one-upmanship, and that's fine because it keeps you entertained, but what you are doing isn't politics and it doesn't help the country.

The sad thing is that all the liberals would immediately start screaming about how bad the bill was for the country.

Yeah. Okay. Because liberals haven't been saying this bill is crappy, but better than the sh*t sandwich we had before already.

Are you pretending conservatives aren't screaming non-stop about AHA now? All while supporting when not called "Obamacare"? Supporting it when you go issue by issue?

I'll stick with what HAS happened. You can live by what you believe WILL happen.

Thanks for proving my point.

It isn't what's good or bad for the country that people like you (and your counterparts on the far right) care about. It's about standing in direct opposition to anything the other side proposes.

No such point was proved. He said liberals aren't thrilled with the ACA, but it's better than nothing, not "It sucks but it pisses the right off so I'm for it"

If you can't see the difference, it's probably best to avoid trying to converse with you.

Listen, I'm not at all perturbed that you don't want to talk to me simply because I refuse to narrow my world-view down with the black-and-white filters you put on every day to make your hatred for the other side seem more righteous.

The sad thing is that all the liberals would immediately start screaming about how bad the bill was for the country.

Yeah. Okay. Because liberals haven't been saying this bill is crappy, but better than the sh*t sandwich we had before already.

Are you pretending conservatives aren't screaming non-stop about AHA now? All while supporting when not called "Obamacare"? Supporting it when you go issue by issue?

I'll stick with what HAS happened. You can live by what you believe WILL happen.

Thanks for proving my point.

It isn't what's good or bad for the country that people like you (and your counterparts on the far right) care about. It's about standing in direct opposition to anything the other side proposes.

When did I stand in opposition? Where is the plan?

YOU are the one saying what "will" happen in the future. I'm pointing out what HAS ALREADY HAPPENED.

Are you trolling? Seriously. How do you claim to "prove a point" about something non-existent?

Oh. I GET IT. You are one of those "I'm above it all" people...

I'm not "above it all", certainly. I just use rationality and logic to guide my political views, which is something that the far-left and far-right are incapable of. The teahadist and the herbal tea baggers only care about their games of one-upmanship, and that's fine because it keeps you entertained, but what you are doing isn't politics and it doesn't help the country.

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This is what I least enjoy about talking with your lot. You get so overwrought you can't even put forward ideas; you just start throwing out insults and celebrating a "score."

"We've obviously fought very hard to repeal the bill, to unravel different pieces on it that are falling on its own weight, anyway," Scalise said in a brief phone interview at the time. "But we've also been working to put together a true alternative that would lower market costs and fix some real problems that existed before Obamacare that are made worse with it."

The sad thing is that all the liberals would immediately start screaming about how bad the bill was for the country.

Yeah. Okay. Because liberals haven't been saying this bill is crappy, but better than the sh*t sandwich we had before already.

Are you pretending conservatives aren't screaming non-stop about AHA now? All while supporting when not called "Obamacare"? Supporting it when you go issue by issue?

I'll stick with what HAS happened. You can live by what you believe WILL happen.

Thanks for proving my point.

It isn't what's good or bad for the country that people like you (and your counterparts on the far right) care about. It's about standing in direct opposition to anything the other side proposes.

No such point was proved. He said liberals aren't thrilled with the ACA, but it's better than nothing, not "It sucks but it pisses the right off so I'm for it"

If you can't see the difference, it's probably best to avoid trying to converse with you.

Listen, I'm not at all perturbed that you don't want to talk to me simply because I refuse to narrow my world-view down with the black-and-white filters you put on every day to make your hatred for the other side seem more righteous.

Lucky LaRue:Listen, I'm not at all perturbed that you don't want to talk to me simply because I refuse to narrow my world-view down with the black-and-white filters you put on every day to make your hatred for the other side seem more righteous.

Says the guy who thinks he knows what all libs WILL do when this plan, whatever it is, is unveiled.

sprawl15:"We've obviously fought very hard to repeal the bill, to unravel different pieces on it that are falling on its own weight, anyway," Scalise said in a brief phone interview at the time. "But we've also been working to put together a true alternative that would lower market costs and fix some real problems that existed before Obamacare that are made worse with it."

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Ok, I used to be a Latin geek (been too long, forgotten most of it) but I had to look up to see if indeed there was a latin word potato. There is a very close word and I can now say with utmost veracity: "Potator sum".

The sad thing is that all the liberals would immediately start screaming about how bad the bill was for the country.

Yeah. Okay. Because liberals haven't been saying this bill is crappy, but better than the sh*t sandwich we had before already.

Are you pretending conservatives aren't screaming non-stop about AHA now? All while supporting when not called "Obamacare"? Supporting it when you go issue by issue?

I'll stick with what HAS happened. You can live by what you believe WILL happen.

Thanks for proving my point.

It isn't what's good or bad for the country that people like you (and your counterparts on the far right) care about. It's about standing in direct opposition to anything the other side proposes.

The bill was passed and is now law. Anyone going against that is probably doing so because they have an obstructionist goal, and would fark the country rather than do what is right.

A Republican, in other words.

This is just the kind of clap-trap I am talking about. In your world-view, anyone opposed to your agenda is an obstructionist who would rather f*ck the country than do what is right. In the tea-baggers world-view, anyone opposed to their agenda is an unpatriotic socialist who would rather f*ck the country than stand up for freedom.

Both world views make for great entertainment, but are pretty f*cking ridiculous when it comes to governance.

vpb:Diogenes: Point Obama? It would be awesome if that was his plan all along.

I don't believe that's the case at all. But it would be delicious if it were true.

I think pretty much everyone sees this as a first step, not the ultimate solution.

I would hope so. But I'm really leery about half measures. By their very nature they're prone to failure, which prevents us from getting to the ultimate goal. People use the failure of the step as evidence that the goal is bad.

Carn:sprawl15: "We've obviously fought very hard to repeal the bill, to unravel different pieces on it that are falling on its own weight, anyway," Scalise said in a brief phone interview at the time. "But we've also been working to put together a true alternative that would lower market costs and fix some real problems that existed before Obamacare that are made worse with it."

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Ok, I used to be a Latin geek (been too long, forgotten most of it) but I had to look up to see if indeed there was a latin word potato. There is a very close word and I can now say with utmost veracity: "Potator sum".

sprawl15:Carn: sprawl15: "We've obviously fought very hard to repeal the bill, to unravel different pieces on it that are falling on its own weight, anyway," Scalise said in a brief phone interview at the time. "But we've also been working to put together a true alternative that would lower market costs and fix some real problems that existed before Obamacare that are made worse with it."

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Ok, I used to be a Latin geek (been too long, forgotten most of it) but I had to look up to see if indeed there was a latin word potato. There is a very close word and I can now say with utmost veracity: "Potator sum".

The state-level exchanges aren't advertising the exchanges as ObamaCare. They have different names for them that intentionally separate from ObamaCare. When they explain to customers what plans are available, most people are pretty happy. In Kentucky, there was one instance of a customer remarking, "This is better than ObamaCare!" It's one of the weirdest disconnects I've ever seen.

Mentat:The state-level exchanges aren't advertising the exchanges as ObamaCare. They have different names for them that intentionally separate from ObamaCare. When they explain to customers what plans are available, most people are pretty happy. In Kentucky, there was one instance of a customer remarking, "This is better than ObamaCare!" It's one of the weirdest disconnects I've ever seen.

That's pretty typical of the ODS crowd. Didn't like a third of LA Republicans recently blame the poor response to Hurricane Katrina on Obama?

These people are just insane. They are literally separated from sanity.

Mentat:The state-level exchanges aren't advertising the exchanges as ObamaCare. They have different names for them that intentionally separate from ObamaCare. When they explain to customers what plans are available, most people are pretty happy. In Kentucky, there was one instance of a customer remarking, "This is better than ObamaCare!" It's one of the weirdest disconnects I've ever seen.

I believe the real issue is the Democrats have introduced the ACA that, once implemented, will become popular like Social Security and Medicare are now. That's why the Republicans are fighting tooth and nail to prevent it from full deployment. ObamaCare will make the GOP look like fools.

Also, IMHO, I strongly suspect that the GOP leaders are terrified when the majority of American people realize what President Obama has done with creating ObamaCare, that majority will realize an African-American could be a great President for all the people.

Without having seen the bill I still feel I can confidently predict the language will include some, if not all, of the following:

Corporate tax cutsReplacing Medicaid and Medicare with vouchers that will be massively useful when a 77-year-old with diabetes and congestive heart failure goes shopping on the free market for insuranceRequirements that anyone applying for said vouchers must register as a Republican and give proxy to a panel comprised of Karl Rove, Rick Santorum, Rush Limbaugh and Snuggle, the Fabric Softener BearCorporate tax cuts. Different ones, but still.$1.5 trillion in direct payments to defense contractors to invent a gun that fires poor people at Muslins

AirForceVet:Mentat: The state-level exchanges aren't advertising the exchanges as ObamaCare. They have different names for them that intentionally separate from ObamaCare. When they explain to customers what plans are available, most people are pretty happy. In Kentucky, there was one instance of a customer remarking, "This is better than ObamaCare!" It's one of the weirdest disconnects I've ever seen.

I believe the real issue is the Democrats have introduced the ACA that, once implemented, will become popular like Social Security and Medicare are now. That's why the Republicans are fighting tooth and nail to prevent it from full deployment. ObamaCare will make the GOP look like fools.

Also, IMHO, I strongly suspect that the GOP leaders are terrified when the majority of American people realize what President Obama has done with creating ObamaCare, that majority will realize an African-American could be a great President for all the people.