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Religiously Sanctioned Paedophilia

The Director General of the Census Bureau in Hormozgan announced that there had been five marriages of girls under the age of 10 in the Iranian province. Latest national statistics for children ‘married’ under the age of 14 in Iran is 24,506 girls and 5, 519 boys. The total number of marriages from 10-18 years of age is 848,000.

But don’t be alarmed. A member of the Islamic Assembly (Majlis) and its ‘Judicial Commission’, Nayereh Akhavan (here’s a photo of her), has said that there can be no ban on child marriages because there are ten year olds who have reached ‘sexual and intellectual puberty’ and because it would ‘contradict sharia’. We know Islam’s prophet consummated his ‘marriage’ with Aisha when she was 9. And of course there is Ayatollah Khomeini ‘s book of sayings: ‘Tahrir al Wasilah’, where he says that a man can even have sex with a baby.

He says: ‘A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate vaginally, but sodomising the child is acceptable. If a man does penetrate and damage the child then, he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl will not count as one of his four permanent wives and the man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister… It is better for a girl to marry at such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband’s house, rather than her father’s home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven.’

There’s more on sex with animals and placing penises between the thighs of weaning babes if you have the stomach to read on.

The book in English is very inappropriately called Ruhollah Khomeini, Sayings of the Ayatollah Khomeini: Political, Philosophical, Social, & Religious (“The Little Green Book”) [Bantam Books, September 1985, New York/London. ISBN 0553140329] by the moral relativist brigade.

Yes I know the ‘moderates’ will say Aisha was what 40 when Mohammad had sex with her (but still playing with dolls?), that child marriages were the norm at the time, that girls matured faster than they do today in western society, blah blah blah.

Bollocks. This is religiously sanctioned paedophilia. Full Stop. And it’s happening to countless children today.

There’s another thing, Maryam. “It’s happening to countless children today” and it’s happening because Mo did it to Aisha. That makes it sharia-compliant, and it makes it sharia-uncompliant to pass laws against it.

May I go puke now? Such things just make me sick. Just because a girl has started menstruating, does not mean she is sexually mature. She’s still freaking growing and to have a child before she is fully grown often kills the girl. Not only that, it severally stunts her mental maturity to have sex before she is mentally ready. Just because she has reached puberty does not mean she is mentally ready for sex. That’s just plain stupid and mentally to think she has. It is nothing more than sexual abuse and the man who does it with a child is seriously mentally ill.

A religious decree by Khomeini ordered that girl prisoners who are virgins must be raped before execution, to prevent them from entering heaven. A Guard conducts the rape the night before execution. The next day, a marriage certificate is issued by a mullah, who sends it to the girl’s family, along with a box of chocolates as a wedding gift.

How on earth do we combat such flagrant disregard for science, statistics, and all manner of facts speaking to what a horrendous idea it is to have sex with a child (not to mention our basic human intuition that it’s just wrong and disgusting)? How are we even supposed to have a conversation with people who are so convinced of something so blatantly inhuman?

Are you sure of the sources? This seems too much like black propaganda.

Of course child “marriage” is disgusting. I also know the custom here in Indonesia of killing animals after they have been allegedly raped by someone – often killed horribly, for example by dragging a cow out to sea to drown her behind a boat.

Nevertheless we have to be very particular about the sources. I find it somewhat difficult to believe that infant sodomy could have been condoned by the Ayatollah. I can believe other things, but probably not that. The website appears to be a Greek nationalist site which may well have its own agenda. I would be somewhat suspicious.

That is a perfect example of why and how religion has become so despised in Europe. Because it was government sanctioned for so long, people began to equate it with the problems of the government itself and its problems became government problems.

Which is so why the Founders of the US Constitution wanted religion and government separated completely.

When Iran finally dumps that evil government, Islam is toast in that country.

I think we need to take a step back and ask if its really true before everyone goes ‘thats the sickest thing ive ever heard’
The ‘Islamic’ Republic of Iran is not a true Islamic state
The true Islamic state fell in 1924, so there has not been true representation for the last 87 or so years

I think it’s great that allah appointed Dr. Wotowjicz as the arbiter of what is and is not truely “islamic”. Without him, we’d think all those terrorists and child molesters who pray to allah 5 times a day, go to mosque,make the hajj and call themselves muslims were actually real muslims. Just one question…if they’re not muslims, what the hell are they?

Perhaps, because I am an atheist and lack any sort of moral compass, I read this and think “wow that’s pretty fucked up right there.” Apparently when it comes to holy texts there really is no “beyond the pale” for true believers.

Has anyone actually bought the book and read it to verify if this text is actually in it? I googled this and can’t find any verified references to this. I would like to be able to back this up with some kind of academic reference.

Couldn’t find anything there about sodomising babies or raping virgins condemned to die. There’s plenty of other nasty stuff, of course, about it being a perk of a father if his daughter gets her first period in her husband’s house and the off-hand way in which marriage under 9 years is discussed.

If you look at the above link, it says selected fatwas and sayings. It does not include the entire book. I will try and find the actual text for you but it isn’t an urban legend. It’s absolutely true. We don’t need urban legends given the realities of Islamism.

The act is called called mufa’khathat or thighing.

But even if you look at the link above, there is enough there to outrage anyone:

It is highly recommended that a girl be married off as soon as she reaches the age of puberty. One of the blessings of man is to have his daughter experience her first period not in her father’s house, but in that of her husband.
Page 65
If a man who has married a girl who has not reached puberty possesses her sexually before her ninth birthday, inflicting traumatisms upon her, he has no right to repeat such an act with her. If a man sodomizes the son, brother, or father of his wife after their marriage, the marriage remains valid.
Page 61
Young boys or girls in full sexual effervescence are kept from getting married before they reach legal age of majority. This is against the intention of divine laws. Why should the marriage of pubescent girls and boys forbidden because they are still minors, when they are allowed to listen to the radio and to sexually arousing music?
Page 18
During sexual intercourse, if the penis enters a woman’s vagina or a man’s anus, fully or only as far as the circumcision ring, both partners become impure, even if they have not reached puberty; they must consequently perform their ablutions.
Page 22

The question is, can Joseph Stephen read it? His name sounds English, but that doesn’t necessarily mean anything. I know I can’t read it, now without a translator of some sort. I trust you (more so than a Islamist/Muslim), Maryam, and take your word for it, since you can read it. Of course, I could cheat and use Google Translate too, but that thing sucks with translations. lol

“it says selected fatwas and sayings. It does not include the entire book.”
It says that because that is the subtitle of the original.
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Of these four passages quoted here, only one (p18) is in the book. The others are entirely different.

Your quote:
“If a man who has married a girl who has not reached puberty possesses her sexually before her ninth birthday, inflicting traumatisms upon her, he has no right to repeat such an act with her. If a man sodomizes the son, brother, or father of his wife after their marriage, the marriage remains valid.
Page 61″

Here is p61 in its entirety
“It is recommended that the wet nurse be a faithful Shi’ite, intelligent,modest, and pretty. On the other hand, it is most inadvisable thatshe be feebleminded, a nonbeliever in the Twelve Imams, ugly, or a bastard, or of bad character. It is equally inadvisable to select as wetnurse a woman who has an illegitimate child.It is recommended that every child be breast-fed for two whole years.”

I won’t bother to say a word on the author, Ayatullah. Of course he was a pedophile, like most imams and priests. But what makes me sick is that most Muslims fail to acknowledge and instead attempt to defend. This is what makes me sick.is

There is one difference between the evil that is the islamic religion and the evil that is for instance the catholic religion as a representative of christianity.
Catholic clergy knows that child abuse is wrong, and they try to hide it in shame.
Islam apparently is shameless.

Takes some of his “magic” away to have his real personality exposed. A sad old fornicator of children who likely not only defended those practices, but likely indulged them. The descriptions speak for themselves.

When I quoted that extract from the Little Green Book I made no comment, because how could one make any comment? When I read this post and looked up the references, my whole being was seized with a sort of numbness. There it all was, and what words are adequate, or even possible? The horror of this kind of mind is stupifying. It is impossible to grasp the egregious monstrosity of such a mentality — is it even a mentality? Is it even human? I suppose it must be, but I cannot grasp it. The best I can manage is to suppose that it is some sort of prehuman set of behaviours that has yet to evolve into something recognisable as human. Intelligence there is, but it is a stunted, or perhaps merely animal, sort of intelligence, expressive of a primordial pattern of behavioural impulses, rationalised to the extent that it seizes on some ultra-personal justification for debauchery, explaining the corruption away as something required — as though desire were god. I know that I’m wandering about here, but I can’t get at it.
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Imagine that you stone a little girl because she committed adultery (that is, she was attacked by adult men and raped). Imagine that you rape a girl so that her eternal damnation is assured, and send a box of chocolates to her family as a wedding present. On so many levels the mind cannot encompass this. The value of a girl is a box of chocolates, her family will no doubt enjoy the chocolates, adequate recompense for what they have lost, or perhaps have not lost, perhaps the chocolates are a gain, a rape is equivalent to a wedding, dignify damnation as a wedding. To desire that anyone should suffer eternal torment, and to do all that is necessary to ensure it. This is an absolute kind of wickedness for which no words are possible. Who can calmly discuss the rights and wrongs of raping a baby girl and weigh up the legal niceties of how you should do it? Allah is compassionate and merciful — the mantra we repeat after every mutilation, every stoning. Evil is the only possible word, yet it seems paltry. There really aren’t any words.

I think Ophelia may now see why having a sense of humor is not enough for people living with these creeps in Iran. Humor is no defense.. or a coping mechanism when it comes to disgusting shit like this. Fucking mullahs.

This and PZ’s story earlier about the people in Nigeria that torture children for being witches makes me want to cry. Religious tyranny directed at children just sickens me right to my core. What makes it worse is the knowledge that until a few decades ago nobody even talked about it in most of the world, the number of children that have been raped or tortured because of superstitious nonsense and that the perpetrators weren’t punished doesn’t bear thinking about.

For those who think ‘minorities’ can’t be fascists, another example right here. Listen persianpower, I am half Nepalese and not a ‘pure’ Persian by any means so will you fuck off and add your comments to Nazi websites where you belong?

Why children shouldnt have the right to be with older persons? If its all consensual and the child is in love with a guy, whats wrong about that? I dont know if marry, but they should at the very least have the right to be together.

If a 9 yo girl loves a 20 yo guy, why you care? If they love each other and want to be together, they should, there is nothing wrong about love.

Why children shouldnt have the right to be with older persons? If its all consensual and the child is in love with a guy, whats wrong about that? I dont know if marry, but they should at the very least have the right to be together.

If a 9 yo girl loves a 20 yo guy, why you care? If they love each other and want to be together, they should, there is nothing wrong about love.

@kamran: And can you point out whats wrong about being a pedophile, and why we shouldnt defend them and other sexual minorities? I thought that defending persecuted and demonized sexual minorities was the right thing. And who are more demonized nowadays than pedophiles?

Looking for a rationalizing argument to rape children by declaring that this might be consensual, when those children have no idea what they are consenting to? Abusing an emotional connection those children can form by introducing sex to which children typically are not ready?

And how dare you fuckhead to compare the consensual sexual practises of adults with child rape?

Child rape is criminal for the reasons that it is an abuse of a power differential, a threat to the mental and physical health of the child.

Yes, criminal activities are sometimes demonized, and maybe one day you are able to understand why. But in the meantime you can start to complain about the demonizing of rapists of any sort, the demonizing of muggers, the unfortunate lack of tolerance towards murderers.

If a 9 yo girl loves a 20 yo guy, why you care? If they love each other and want to be together, they should, there is nothing wrong about love.

I seriously think that many people, like yourself, simply can’t see this. Try looking at it the other way round:

If a 9 yo boy loves a 20 yo woman.

This might help you to see that the initial impulse comes from the adult involved, never from the child. There are so many people, especially men, who see a female as sexually passive — to-be-penetrated, while a male is seen as sexually active — to penetrate. At the same time the same men seem to see females as existing for their pleasure, whose “natural” feelings lead them to desire to be available to whomever they love. This view is wholly self-serving, based on a seeking for gratification of an impulse. It has nothing whatever to do with perceiving a child as a person at a particularly dependent stage of development and everything to do with projecting personal desires onto an object.

In the same way, societies which infantalise women and keep them restricted and dependent are based on the principle that male desire trumps every other consideration.

Why do you consider this fuckhead even worth discussing with? This is on the same level as discussing with a psychopath his right to abuse and kill anybody who gets in the way to his desires.

It is an unjustifiable attempt to sexualize human beings that are in no way ready for nor cogniscent of sexual activities (except superficially by knowing the mechanics but not the emotions connected with it) and get pressured into accepting something that is detrimental to their health and that violates their right to be protected from harm by persons they have learned to trust with their safety.

Any arsehole arguing to the contrary should familiarize himself with childhood development before dropping his bullshit here.

For years now I’ve been seeing this supposed quote by Khomeni floating around the internet, and asking people to provide the source. No one has ever done so.

It is said to be from the fourth volume of Khomeni’s book, Tahrir al Wasilah. Problem is, the book only has two volumes. The quote is bogus unless and until someone can produce a 4th volume and the actual source.

I’ve known about you when I first met with ex-muslims of britain website. And by chance I found your personal blog. I adore your efforts.
I just want to tell that this sodomy still exists in islamic world. Some geeks are here saying “true muslims”, “not true muslims” etc. I am from Turkey an ex-muslim lived in cage called Islam for very long time. As an ex-sunni muslim I can assure you all that this sodomy, rape, child marriage etc still going on in and around my country. It is widely seen among muslims for why they believe it is from islam and if it is from that then it is completely true. No matter if they’re sunni, shiite, wahabi, salaf or any other.