Dougie AXP:No. 13 should have been referred to as [REDACTED] or just left off the list entirely.

I was happy as hell when the Yankees got him, he wasn't on the Mitchell list, however when I seen David Ortiz, manny ramirez and Alex Rod on the list for tested positive, I almost died knowing he was going to possibly fluke.He could of stopped doing the roids and been fine, instead was a farking idiot joining Manny Ramirez in the "I CANT PLAY WITHOUT ROIDZZZZ".

Shameful fact is if he didn't get busted, he would be in the HOF with Ortiz - both tested positive although it was in 2003 when nobody gave a shiat.

See, this is the frustrating thing about being a Cubs fan. It's not merely the title drought. It's the fact that you know the club has talent on it, real honest-to-God Hall of Fame talent that passes through Wrigley, and yet it never all comes together at the same time.

There ought to be a rule for lists like this: ALL Hall of Famers comprise the top of the list. Failure to do so requires justification, such as a lead-pipe lock HOF player who just hasn't had a vote OR someone like Thurman Munson who became a legend as much for how he died as for what he did in his career. There is no justification for putting a guy like Sparky Lyle that high on the list ahead of actual Hall of Fame players. None.

Also, this list fails without Billy Martin. Yes, he was a drunk asshole. Yes, he was petty and mercurial. But he gave everything he had when he played and probably got farked over by Steinbrenner at every turn as manager. How they justified leaving him off and putting a guy like David Cone on this list I'll never know.

Adolf Oliver Nipples:There ought to be a rule for lists like this: ALL Hall of Famers comprise the top of the list. Failure to do so requires justification, such as a lead-pipe lock HOF player who just hasn't had a vote OR someone like Thurman Munson who became a legend as much for how he died as for what he did in his career. There is no justification for putting a guy like Sparky Lyle that high on the list ahead of actual Hall of Fame players. None.

You're either bad at reading or live in a world where Bob Meusel is in the Hall of Fame.

DeWayne Mann:Adolf Oliver Nipples: There ought to be a rule for lists like this: ALL Hall of Famers comprise the top of the list. Failure to do so requires justification, such as a lead-pipe lock HOF player who just hasn't had a vote OR someone like Thurman Munson who became a legend as much for how he died as for what he did in his career. There is no justification for putting a guy like Sparky Lyle that high on the list ahead of actual Hall of Fame players. None.

You're either bad at reading or live in a world where Bob Meusel is in the Hall of Fame.

Bad at reading, actually. I was going with the David Cone theme and Sparky Lyle got into my head. The point stands.

DeWayne Mann:Well, considering Cone should probably be in the Hall, I'm unconcerned.

I can't find a way to justify that. Neither can the people who vote, because he's no longer on the ballot. 194-126 with a 3.46 ERA? The only Hall of Famer he's comparable to according to Baseball Reference is Dazzy Vance, not exactly a glowing endorsement.

DeWayne Mann:Well, considering Cone should probably be in the Hall, I'm unconcerned.

You have GOT to be joking. Maybe he earned more than the one-and-done he got handed in 2009, but that is all I'm willing to surrender. And even then he ought to drop off after the second or third ballot. Mark Grace had a better case for sticking around on the ballot than Cone did.

Adolf Oliver Nipples:I can't find a way to justify that. Neither can the people who vote, because he's no longer on the ballot. 194-126 with a 3.46 ERA? The only Hall of Famer he's comparable to according to Baseball Reference is Dazzy Vance, not exactly a glowing endorsement.

Well, fark just threw away a big post I had because I was missing a quotation mark in a link and now I'm too pissed to rewrite it, so here are the highlights:

1. Win/loss records are terrible ways to judge people2. Similarity scores use W/L records, so3. Cone's ERA+ is 121, which is pretty good4. Look at Drysdale & Marichal, who played roughly as long and had near identical ERA+s (but played in a time better for pitchers). Might look at Feller too.5. The Hall of Stats has him as the 36th best pitcher, between Feller & Vance and well ahead of Marichal & Drysdale

I liked Rickey but he doesn't need to be on this list and certainly not ARoid. David Cone, ehhhh. He pitched some great, clutch games but he only spent around 1/3 of his career with the Yankees.

I threw up in my mouth a little seeing he whose name shall not be uttered next to Thurman's. I wouldn't put Mattingly above Thurman either but I'm biased because he's still one of my all time favorites.

Mateorocks:In no reality is A-Rod a better Yankee than Reggie Jackson. Or Dave Winfield, for that matter.

A-Rod: Career WAR: 116.0, WAR as Yankee: 52.5. Played more than half his career in pinstripes. Postseason OPS: .833.Winfield: Career WAR: 63.8, WAR as Yankee: 26.9. Played for 6 teams, less than half of his games in pinstripes. Postseason OPS: .641Reggie: Career WAR: 73.8, WAR as Yankee: 17.1. Wore each of two other uniforms more often than pinstripes. Postseason OPS: .885.

In terms of baseball impact for the Yankees, he's better than both combined. If you want to demote A-Rod because he's a dick, that's fine. But it's not crazy to think that he meant a lot more on the field.

It's also weird that Jackson is "Mr. October" and A-Rod is regarded as the worst postseason player since Pol Pot, but in terms of hitting baseballs on baseball fields, the gap is pretty small.

I would have swapped Jeter (7) and Rivera (5). Rivera was great at his position, but it's pretty hard to compare someone who went out every day to someone who pitched 1 inning a game averaging 60-70 innings a season.

Rivera was great, but Jeter was more valuable. Jeter 74 fWar vs Rivera 42 fWar if you're into that sort of thing.