I bought a house out of an estate sale, contents included. The place was a wreck and when cleaning it out we discovered a 50 caliber anti-aircraft gun and a collection of hand grenades. The guy who lived there would have been great on Fark but he did not live long enough. he lived with his mom, collected weapons (some he even fired in the house as we found bullets in the walls), made his own ammo and from what the neighbors told me, he hated everyone.

dittybopper:Giltric: dittybopper: Giltric: The only reason I was applying for a can is because I shoot on my property. My neighbors are a mile away but are NY transplants

NYC, or NYS? Because there can be a very, very big difference.

Obnoxious city folk that even the other city transplants don't like.

My favorite are the ones that buy property in farm country in the fall or winter, then biatch about the smell in the spring when the manure spreaders start working, followed closely by the ones that biatch about the sound of gunshots in the fall during hunting season.

The farmer started using pig shiat on the lot across the road from them just to turn the screws a bit.....

Giltric:dittybopper: Giltric: The only reason I was applying for a can is because I shoot on my property. My neighbors are a mile away but are NY transplants

NYC, or NYS? Because there can be a very, very big difference.

Obnoxious city folk that even the other city transplants don't like.

My favorite are the ones that buy property in farm country in the fall or winter, then biatch about the smell in the spring when the manure spreaders start working, followed closely by the ones that biatch about the sound of gunshots in the fall during hunting season.

When my wife decided to spawn, we started early with firearms training for the little one. One great thing about the Glock: If you remove the slide assembly, the frame doesn't rust as a result of baby slobber. Tactical Teether FTMFW!!!

Click Click D'oh:PsiChick: Can you prove that the type of gun is an important factor in gun crime, then?

The facts as they are:

Non-NFA firearms used in the commission of crimes since 1934: Eight Billion (roughly)NFA firearms used in the commission of crimes since 1934: 2

The fact that you keep lumping NFA items in with every other gun available mean that either 1) You truly have no clue what you are on about -or- 2) are intentionally conflating the two items to create confusion about what the real scope of the issue. The truth is that NFA firearms are simply not used to commit crimes on any appreciable scale.

Keep those Goal posts moving.

NFA-registered? Yeah...that's moving the goalposts. After all, there's no way someone could buy a gun and not register it, no sirree bob...

lordaction:The Constitution only applies to muskets because that is the only firearm technology that existed when the document was written. It is just like we only have freedom of speech/press if it is printed on a gutenburg press and does not apply to the internet of cell phones. For us liberals, this is all perfectly logical.

PsiChick:Can you prove that the type of gun is an important factor in gun crime, then?

The facts as they are:

Non-NFA firearms used in the commission of crimes since 1934: Eight Billion (roughly)NFA firearms used in the commission of crimes since 1934: 2

The fact that you keep lumping NFA items in with every other gun available mean that either 1) You truly have no clue what you are on about -or- 2) are intentionally conflating the two items to create confusion about what the real scope of the issue. The truth is that NFA firearms are simply not used to commit crimes on any appreciable scale.

This is not what we call a machinegun. In that usage, 'automatic' is a jargon term that means 'self-loading and extracting'... in other words, it's what we'd call a semi-automatic weapon today. At the time, it was used to distinguish that type of weapon from something like a revolver, bolt-action, or lever-action gun. (The revolver doesn't extract casings after use, the bolt action and the lever action both loads and extracts, but the action must be operated manually.)

Case in point: Colt didn't make any machineguns at that time, other than the M1895 machinegun, which is definitely *not* a crime gun. It's a tripod-mounted, belt-fed machine gun.

Pretty Boy Floyd's criminal career was in the early '30s. Colt manufactured the Maxim/Vickers and the Browning M1917 under license during WWI. They also manufactured 15,000 Thompson submachine guns.

But what he's referring to is the "baby machine gun," which a certain San Antonio gunsmith made from the Colt 1911 and supplied to gangsters and bank robbers, including Floyd.

Yeah, this puppy:Which, whatever else we may believe, I think we can all agree is a sin against God, nature, and John Moses Browning

PsiChick:No, the purpose is to reduce criminal possession--by stopping the criminals from getting their sister\brother\parent\relative from buying it for them.

Straw purchasers are rarely prosecuted.

Even when felons fill out a 4473 and fail a background check they are rarely prosecuted.

One of the states claimed 73000 denied purchases due to one reason or another from peoples 4473/nics check...yet only 13 prosecutions.

Start enforcing the laws on the books.....why make every transfer of a firearm subjected to a background check (the proposed UBC) when the denied purchasers aren't even prosecuted as per the current background check system?

IdBeCrazyIf:BraveNewCheneyWorld: That's like saying that "free speech zones" aren't an inherent infringement on your free speech rights, even though you can say whatever you want in some abandoned parking lot where nobody will hear you.

If we want to take it literal, but fact remains the law as written has been interpreted that regulation does not violate your constitutional rights.

And if someone pisses on you and tells you it's raining, do you listen to common sense, or their "interpretation" of the liquid raining down on you? Do you honestly think the founding fathers, when they wrote "shall not be infringed" would say that it's completely within their intent to allow the government to force you to wait for nearly a year in every instance where you wanted to exercise a right?

Let's take that argument to free speech again, would it be completely ok for a sitting president to suppress all negative reports about him, as long as he allowed the reports to be published after his presidency? According to your logic, you still have the right of free speech.. it's just delayed. Are you actually defending that? Or do you see some rights as more breakable than others?

Devo:Are gun rights advocates against any additional regulations? That is what I am getting out of this. Is it that they are afraid of a slippery slope? Give and inch and Obama has your guns? Is regulation a dirty word? Please explain.

et's say I have this cake. It is a very nice cake, with "GUN RIGHTS" written across the top in lovely floral icing. I received it from the 2nd amendment and the Dick act of 1902....Along you come and say, "Give me that cake." I say, "No, it's my cake." You say, "Let's compromise. Give me half." I respond by asking what I get out of this compromise, and you reply that I get to keep half of my cake.

Okay, we compromise. Let us call this compromise The National Firearms Act of 1934.

There I am with my half of the cake, and you walk back up and say, "Give me that cake."

I say, "No, it's my cake."

You say, "Let's compromise." What do I get out of this compromise? Why, I get to keep half of what's left of the cake I already own.

So, we have your compromise -- let us call this one the Gun Control Act of 1968 -- and I'm left holding what is now just a quarter of my cake.

And I'm sitting in the corner with my quarter piece of cake, and here you come again. You want my cake. Again.

You say, "Let's compromise once more." What do I get out of this compromise? I get to keep one eighth of what's left of the cake I already own?

So, we have your compromise -- let us call this one the Machine gun ban of 1986 -- and I'm left holding what is now just an eighth of my cake.

I sit back in the corner with just my eighth of cake that I once owned outright and completely, I glance up and here you come once more.

You say nothing and just grab my cake; This time you take several bites -- we'll call this compromise the Clinton Executive Orders -- and I'm left with about a tenth of what has always been MY DAMN CAKE and you've got nine-tenths of it.

Then we compromised with the Lautenberg Act (nibble, nibble), the HUD/Smith and Wesson agreement (nibble, nibble), the Brady Law (NOM NOM NOM), the School Safety and Law Enforcement Improvement Act (sweet tap-dancing Freyja, my finger!)

I'm left holding crumbs of what was once a large and satisfying cake, and you're standing there with most of MY CAKE, making anime eyes and whining about being "reasonable", and wondering "why we won't compromise".

Fark It:Krymson Tyde: What's the big deal with silencers? If I've learned anything from Hollywood it's that a gun can be rendered noiseless by the simple application of a pillow. We all have pillows lying around.

Same problem with felons using Zombies to buy guns. When it was discovered that Lepers and Zombies are not the same the guys using Lepers got treated for those rashes and stuff falling off and having to explain it to your girlfriend at the STD clinic.

This looks like a good faith effort to keep (now's a good time to close your ears SOTUS) ficticious corporate (now you can open your ears again) persons showing their flesh and blood presence on a government form, with a similar logic that allows the Fetus to Vote in those states which ban brown or student or old people from voting.

I can see why an ignorant person might be concerned about person that passes a background check even more intensive than the usual one for buying a regular rifle legally transferring and owning a $15,000 machine gun, but why exactly should owning a silencer be illegal?

In some European countries, such as Sweden and Norway, where firearm rights are strictly controlled, use of a silencer is very common. Put everything else about their firearm aside, and they got this one right: a device that reduces (does not eliminate) the report of a shot by about -30db protects the hearing of the user and bystanders. That's a safety, health and politeness all delivered by a little metal tube with some baffles in it.

Only Hollywood silencers make guns go FFFT, FFFT, FFFT! Ban Hollywood silencers, by all means. They're only used by scumbags.

Incidentally, you probably already own one. They're mandatory to stick on the back of your car. The device that Hiram Maxim invented he called a 'silencer', but you also frequently call them 'muffler'.

EvilEgg:I know, the GOP would never try to pass laws to combat a problem that didn't exist. That is why they are so down on the anti-voter fraud laws.

At least the GOP does it the hard way and goes through the legislature. Obama is doing this with a stroke of his pen. And you can actually count instances of voter-fraud (not that that justifies voter disenfranchisement). Felons obtaining NFA weapons and using them in crimes via the NFA registry, OTOH.....