Aw shucks, I luv not only wolfie, but stevie as well! Even Richard, but he won't have me.

But most especially, I love FTK, because that is what the Lord tells me to do. Isn't that right, FTK? Unless of course, someone doesn't believe the same things as I do, then the Lord apparently doesn't care so much.

On a long list of things you still need to do to edify yourself, Ftk, please look up "regularly". I don't think it means what you think it means.

BTW, how's the Grand Canyon paper coming? While discussing, perhaps you could expound on some of the "details" that Walt Brown so exceptionally covered?

--------------It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it. We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

A butler instead of a maid, and a F(ather)ILF??!!?? Richard, have you changed your orientation since I’ve been away? OMG....I’ve driven him to homosexuality.

F is for Fundy, cupcake!

Thank God. "Flouncer" had me up nights.

By the Great Green Arkleseizure! We've had two posts from it! This is not good oh my knobs and nubbins no this is not good.

Shall we start placing (friendly, I'm skint) bets on:

a) how/when the persecution complex will reassert itselfb) what/who will trigger itc) when the flounce out will bed) when the return will bee) how much flirtation with Rich occurs before I have to get a sick bag

a) how/when the persecution complex will reassert itselfb) what/who will trigger itc) when the flounce out will bed) when the return will bee) how much flirtation with Rich occurs before I have to get a sick bag

Louis

The only bet I'm willing to place is that she will never address the questions in blipey's post.

But I suspect that there are no takers for that one...

Time for popcorn.

--------------Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mindHas been obligated from the beginningTo create an ordered universeAs the only possible proof of its own inheritance. - Pattiann Rogers

Aw, that's awfully nice. A cry for attention wrapped in fake concern for our happiness. We miss you too, FTK (probably not for the same reasons).

lol...um, no, clown. I don't recall any concern where you're involved except for myself stalker boy. Now, you've used up one of my 5 posts, which I'm sure you're thrilled about. Fly away mosquito or I will have to swat you.

--------------"Evolution is a creationism and just as illogical [as] the other pantheistic creation myths" -forastero

Aw, that's awfully nice. A cry for attention wrapped in fake concern for our happiness. We miss you too, FTK (probably not for the same reasons).

lol...um, no, clown. I don't recall any concern where you're involved except for myself stalker boy. Now, you've used up one of my 5 posts, which I'm sure you're thrilled about. Fly away mosquito or I will have to swat you.

Let me get this straight.

1. You self-imposed a limit of 5 posts.2. You use one of them to cry persecution (you by me).3. In this same post you blame me for forcing you to use up 20% of your quota.

Really?

I see several solutions, not limited to the following:

1. Grow some and don't let me dictate your actions.2. Grow some and stay to chat a bit.

You are not an outsider. Many of us are Europeans, youngish and old! I reckon we should instigate a takeover anyway. At least when the British were the world's most important colonial superpower there was tea....and occasional genocide but it's impolite to mention that. Bloody Yanks can't make tea. Not a proper superpower with coffee and crap tea, sorry. It's the rules.

Now the French, they can make good tea. Nice bunch the French. The Scandinavians do weird things with seafood and urine and had Vikings (which are cool and therefore ok by me). The Germans invented a million types of sausage, but had that unfortunate brush with fascism. The Italians, two words: pizza, ice cream. Fine. The Spanish play with their steak before eating it, all good. Frankly any European nation is a far better choice for global uberlord than the bloody Yanks (love them though I do. Justin Bieber...no, just no. And I don't care if he's Canadian, Canada is just full of Yanks with better healthcare and less murders. You can't fool me, I've been there).

News flash, I want to know *how* and *why* common descent supposedly proved to be better in terms of explaining differences & similarities, as well as in making predictions that have been verified by experiment. I want to know *everything*, and by God, I'll keep asking questions until they're answered to my satisfaction. I *sure* hope that your students question you further when you give pat answers like that that say absolutely nothing.

The tree is supported by many lines of evidence, but it is probably not flawless. Scientists constantly reevaluate hypotheses and compare them to new evidence. As scientists gather even more data, they may revise these particular hypotheses, rearranging some of the branches on the tree. For example, evidence discovered in the last 50 years suggests that birds are dinosaurs, which required adjustment to several "vertebrate twigs."

However I think FTK you would be most intested in this section entitled

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Has the explosion of phylogenetic research confirmed or overturned our ideas on relationships? The answer is: both!

Phylogenetic studies are also uncovering totally unexpected relationships. This is especially true for microorganisms, where little visible structural evidence is available. Here, DNA sequences are providing data that are fundamentally changing our understanding of relationships.

As it appears to me that your question is answered there - if it seems to you that common descent can make sense of all this then can common design also make sense of the data?

On that same page they observe

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We have also discovered that fungi are more closely related to animals than to plants, and that within the animals the segmented worms (annelids) are more closely related to the unsegmented molluscs (snails, clams and squids) than they are to segmented arthropods (spiders, lobsters, millipedes and insects).

Does common design predict that fungi are more closely related to animals then to plants?

Can common design explain the patterns shown at the links above and the image below?

Phylogenetics pushes the boundaries of known mathematics and more problems are sure to follow. Scientists are starting to think that Darwin's binary rooted tree may not be the best picture to have in mind. Certain species can hybridise and some bacteria can transfer genes directly from individual to individual. It may therefore be better to use more general graph theoretical objects, networks, rather than trees. Even if you do accept that evolution progresses in a largely tree-like fashion this is a useful approach.

It seems to me that given all the ways of visualising the data (and yet more data is being produced every day) then "common design" would stick out like a sore thumb - it would not follow the pattern so far observed. It would be obvious that something was different.

This tree contains 3,000 species representing the lineages of some 30,000 flowering plantshttp://www.peabody.yale.edu/exhibits/treeoflife/challenge.htmlFTK, would it look like that if common design was true? What would be different? If common design was true why would everything appear to branch? Would it not just be like straight spokes on a wheel?

I PM'd the link to the post above to FTK back in 2007 and it said

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Thank you. That post was very informative. I'm enjoying reading the links at the moment.

Now that you've had 3+ years to digest the material, I ask you again.

FTK, would it look like that if common design was true? What would be different? If common design was true why would everything appear to branch? Would it not just be like straight spokes on a wheel?

--------------I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot standGordon Mullings

Bloody Yanks can't make tea. Not a proper superpower with coffee and crap tea, sorry. It's the rules.

Cripes, Louis, it has been 65 years. Are those grapes *still* sour?

Besides *our* Vikings are much more fearsome (and not extinct) than the Yurpean version.

--------------It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it. We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Umm, dude, those guys stand 6' 8" (2.03 meters), are 300 lbs (136 kg) of solid muscle, and can run 40 yards (36.6 meters) in 4.4 seconds (4.4 seconds). Just one of those guys could flatten an entire rugby scrum. I shudder to think what they could do to your effete French ass.

--------------It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it. We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

--------------It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it. We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Umm, dude, those guys stand 6' 8" (2.03 meters), are 300 lbs (136 kg) of solid muscle, and can run 40 yards (36.6 meters) in 4.4 seconds (4.4 seconds). Just one of those guys could flatten an entire rugby scrum. I shudder to think what they could do to you effete French ass. :angry:

Ok Horse-boy! I've jumped off a perfectly functioning airplane more than 1400 times, and survived.

Let's see your "footballers" do the same!

BTW, "football" is played with feet!

ps: maybe we should take this to the bathroom wall. Wouldn't want to spoil FTK's "special place"...

--------------"Hail is made out of water? Are you really that stupid?" Joe G

"I have a better suggestion, Kris. How about a game of hide and go fuck yourself instead." Louis

"The reason people use a crucifix against vampires is that vampires are allergic to bullshit" Richard Pryor

Ok Horse-boy! I've jumped off a perfectly functioning airplane more than 1400 times, and survived.

Let's see your "footballers" do the same!

Pffft! Even our 85 year old ex-Presidents jump out of planes.

--------------It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it. We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Umm, dude, those guys stand 6' 8" (2.03 meters), are 300 lbs (136 kg) of solid muscle, and can run 40 yards (36.6 meters) in 4.4 seconds (4.4 seconds). Just one of those guys could flatten an entire rugby scrum. I shudder to think what they could do to your effete French ass. :angry:

"As soon as at least two players, one from each side, are in physical contact together with the ball on the ground, a ruck has formed. This physical contact, or binding, is generally by locking shoulders while facing each other. Additional players may join the ruck, but must do so from behind the rearmost foot of the hindmost team mate in the ruck; this is often referred to as "coming through the gate".

Stop right there. I've heard quite enough.

--------------Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."- David Foster Wallace

"Hereâ€™s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."- Barry Arrington

"As soon as at least two players, one from each side, are in physical contact together with the ball on the ground, a ruck has formed. This physical contact, or binding, is generally by locking shoulders while facing each other. Additional players may join the ruck, but must do so from behind the rearmost foot of the hindmost team mate in the ruck; this is often referred to as "coming through the gate".

Stop right there. I've heard quite enough.

Jesus-tapdancing-Christ, are those rules for rugby or the script for a gay porn movie?

--------------It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it. We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

--------------It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it. We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

"As soon as at least two players, one from each side, are in physical contact together with the ball on the ground, a ruck has formed. This physical contact, or binding, is generally by locking shoulders while facing each other. Additional players may join the ruck, but must do so from behind the rearmost foot of the hindmost team mate in the ruck; this is often referred to as "coming through the gate".

Stop right there. I've heard quite enough.

Jesus-tapdancing-Christ, are those rules for rugby or the script for a gay porn movie?

No no, it's Rugby:

--------------Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."- David Foster Wallace

"Hereâ€™s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."- Barry Arrington

At least when the British were the world's most important colonial superpower there was tea....and occasional genocide but it's impolite to mention that. Bloody Yanks can't make tea. Not a proper superpower with coffee and crap tea, sorry. It's the rules.

Besides coffee we also gave the world soft drinks (come for the high fructose corn syrup, stay for the ethylene glycol) and fast food...and occasional morbid obesity but it's impolite to mention that.

--------------"Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr

"I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin