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Rain Partier

Twigglet wrote:But WHY would the X-men join Magneto? Why would they even discuss thish withotu consulting the others? He was considered a villain BECAUSE HE WAS ONE.

because at the time, Magneto wasn't fighting. he had sequestered himself as a neutral party, built himself a viable home base, and offered the X-Men safe haven if they wanted it due to their fellow standing as mutants, free to avoid the war and try to find a way home. it made perfect sense.

And there was a telepath present, who later wiped Spdier-mans mind.

yeah, that telepath was immediately taken out of the fight at he beginning. once he came around, fight =over. that was the point.

They had Colossus, Wolverine, nightcrawler, Storm against Spider-man and Spider-man kicked there ass. That wouldn't happen with someone like Wolverine who had so much training. You can't complain about the Avengers beating the wrecking crew in another thread, and then say Spider-man could beat the entire X-men team, in any enviroment.

when have i EVER said the Avengers couldn't beat the Wrecking Crew?

and sure they had Colossus (who didn't want to fight, and who Spidey could swing circles around), Wolvy (who Spidey's quicker than and can stay out of range of), Storm (whose weather powers ain't a whole helluva lotta good inside a confined space), and Nightcrawler (who equals Spiodey's speed and agility but doesn't compare in strength). Spidey avoided those he could, attacked the ones he could, and ued his speed to counteract the power disadvantage by getting the X-Men into situations where they were in each other's way. again, for those brief seconds that Xavier was incapacitated, it made PERFECT. SENSE.

Rain Partier

Twigglet wrote:But WHY would the X-men join Magneto? Why would they even discuss thish withotu consulting the others? He was considered a villain BECAUSE HE WAS ONE.

because at the time, Magneto wasn't fighting. he had sequestered himself as a neutral party, built himself a viable home base, and offered the X-Men safe haven if they wanted it due to their fellow standing as mutants, free to avoid the war and try to find a way home. it made perfect sense.

And there was a telepath present, who later wiped Spdier-mans mind.

yeah, that telepath was immediately taken out of the fight at he beginning. once he came around, fight =over. that was the point.

They had Colossus, Wolverine, nightcrawler, Storm against Spider-man and Spider-man kicked there ass. That wouldn't happen with someone like Wolverine who had so much training. You can't complain about the Avengers beating the wrecking crew in another thread, and then say Spider-man could beat the entire X-men team, in any enviroment.

when have i EVER said the Avengers couldn't beat the Wrecking Crew?

and sure they had Colossus (who didn't want to fight, and who Spidey could swing circles around), Wolvy (who Spidey's quicker than and can stay out of range of), Storm (whose weather powers ain't a whole helluva lotta good inside a confined space), and Nightcrawler (who equals Spiodey's speed and agility but doesn't compare in strength). Spidey avoided those he could, attacked the ones he could, and ued his speed to counteract the power disadvantage by getting the X-Men into situations where they were in each other's way. again, for those brief seconds that Xavier was incapacitated, it made PERFECT. SENSE.

Garbage Collector

Twigglet wrote:How in any was is that the case? The Beyonder is a terriblle terrible idea. A god like creature who decides to get parts of hundreds of worlds, put them into one planet. And get bad guys v good guys to decide the winner. He then came to Earth in Secret Wars 2, andeveryone realised how much he sucked.

The Beyonder is still an infinitely superior idea to Stamford. Especially since the Beyonder didn't toss a decade plus worth of characterization on its ass.

Garbage Collector

Twigglet wrote:How in any was is that the case? The Beyonder is a terriblle terrible idea. A god like creature who decides to get parts of hundreds of worlds, put them into one planet. And get bad guys v good guys to decide the winner. He then came to Earth in Secret Wars 2, andeveryone realised how much he sucked.

The Beyonder is still an infinitely superior idea to Stamford. Especially since the Beyonder didn't toss a decade plus worth of characterization on its ass.

Outhouse Drafter

I'm with chappy on this one, Twigg. Storm is a liability in a confined space, and Colossus was all mopey. It was basically Spidey vs. Wolverine, Cyclops & Nightcrawler with Spidey having the element of surprise.

chap22 wrote:because at the time, Magneto wasn't fighting. he had sequestered himself as a neutral party, built himself a viable home base, and offered the X-Men safe haven if they wanted it due to their fellow standing as mutants, free to avoid the war and try to find a way home. it made perfect sense.

Outhouse Drafter

I'm with chappy on this one, Twigg. Storm is a liability in a confined space, and Colossus was all mopey. It was basically Spidey vs. Wolverine, Cyclops & Nightcrawler with Spidey having the element of surprise.

chap22 wrote:because at the time, Magneto wasn't fighting. he had sequestered himself as a neutral party, built himself a viable home base, and offered the X-Men safe haven if they wanted it due to their fellow standing as mutants, free to avoid the war and try to find a way home. it made perfect sense.

Not to mention hothead racists like The Human Torch.

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cheese

Not to defend Secret Wars too much, since it was a series written basically to sell toys, but the logic behind the X-Men, the outlaw and unloved mutant team, going off to join Magneto (who had been going through a bit of career rehabilitation at the time) makes a lot more sense than heroes like Iron Man, Captain America, Henry Pym, etc, who had been friends for years and all had been screwed over by the government countless times, at either other's throats over the issue of superhero registration.

cheese

Not to defend Secret Wars too much, since it was a series written basically to sell toys, but the logic behind the X-Men, the outlaw and unloved mutant team, going off to join Magneto (who had been going through a bit of career rehabilitation at the time) makes a lot more sense than heroes like Iron Man, Captain America, Henry Pym, etc, who had been friends for years and all had been screwed over by the government countless times, at either other's throats over the issue of superhero registration.

Rain Partier

KillerShrike wrote:Not to defend Secret Wars too much, since it was a series written basically to sell toys, but the logic behind the X-Men, the outlaw and unloved mutant team, going off to join Magneto (who had been going through a bit of career rehabilitation at the time) makes a lot more sense than heroes like Iron Man, Captain America, Henry Pym, etc, who had been friends for years and all had been screwed over by the government countless times, at either other's throats over the issue of superhero registration.

A-fucking-men. and Shrike and i agree on exactly bupkiss, so if we're in accord here, it must be true.

Rain Partier

KillerShrike wrote:Not to defend Secret Wars too much, since it was a series written basically to sell toys, but the logic behind the X-Men, the outlaw and unloved mutant team, going off to join Magneto (who had been going through a bit of career rehabilitation at the time) makes a lot more sense than heroes like Iron Man, Captain America, Henry Pym, etc, who had been friends for years and all had been screwed over by the government countless times, at either other's throats over the issue of superhero registration.

A-fucking-men. and Shrike and i agree on exactly bupkiss, so if we're in accord here, it must be true.

Fagorstorm

Never read Secret Wars but I've been meaning to for years. I just always seem to find something else I'd rather read. Anyhow I have read Civil War and House of M and I can't think of many crossovers I liked less than Civil War. Maybe Onslaught or Blood Ties. For mid 80's major events I tend to stick with COIE as the golden boy and that aint a perfect story either.

Fagorstorm

Never read Secret Wars but I've been meaning to for years. I just always seem to find something else I'd rather read. Anyhow I have read Civil War and House of M and I can't think of many crossovers I liked less than Civil War. Maybe Onslaught or Blood Ties. For mid 80's major events I tend to stick with COIE as the golden boy and that aint a perfect story either.

3MJ

by 3MJ » Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:40 pm

Jack Burton wrote:Never read Secret Wars but I've been meaning to for years. I just always seem to find something else I'd rather read. Anyhow I have read Civil War and House of M and I can't think of many crossovers I liked less than Civil War. Maybe Onslaught or Blood Ties. For mid 80's major events I tend to stick with COIE as the golden boy and that aint a perfect story either.

Read Secret Wars and tell me what you think.

3MJ

Jack Burton wrote:Never read Secret Wars but I've been meaning to for years. I just always seem to find something else I'd rather read. Anyhow I have read Civil War and House of M and I can't think of many crossovers I liked less than Civil War. Maybe Onslaught or Blood Ties. For mid 80's major events I tend to stick with COIE as the golden boy and that aint a perfect story either.

Outhouse Drafter

I was going to post a link to Secret Wars on Amazon (I got a used trade there for like $7 this summer), but the cheapest they have are now $16 each? WTF happened over the past six months for the used prices to jump up?

I was going to post a link to Secret Wars on Amazon (I got a used trade there for like $7 this summer), but the cheapest they have are now $16 each? WTF happened over the past six months for the used prices to jump up?