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I think Livings and Bernadeau were not the Cowboys first choices. The cap penalty, the Carr signing and the 29.77M of dead-money might have caused the Cowboys to just grab some bodies to fill out the roster.

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I don't think there was many options other than draft some linemen or high price FAs. Draft is out of the question if you look at recent history.

I think Livings and Bernadeau were not the Cowboys first choices. The cap penalty, the Carr signing and the 29.77M of dead-money might have caused the Cowboys to just grab some bodies to fill out the roster.

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You may be right, but it was reported that these two were hand picked by Callahan as guys that would play well despite their history of being jags.

There are some comparisons between Fluker and Flozell. If so, I want him. I was Flozell fan. Some may disagree, but this line needs some of that.

Flozell Adams did not have elite quickness so far as I can remember. He had a heck of a wing span and when he got his hands on you, he controlled you but I don't remember him ever being real quick for a LT.

I can see how Broaddus might try and make that comparison but I would have to see how Fluker performed at the combine. Right now, I think he might be even slower then Flozell was, coming out of Michigan St.

For discussion sake how does he compare to Andre Smith/James Carpenter? Andre Smith had a slow start to his career due to injuries, but he was a dominate run blocker while more than holding his own as a pass protector this season. James Carpenter similar to Andre Smith has struggled with injuries his first couple of seasons and is viewed as a G/T player.

Flozell Adams did not have elite quickness so far as I can remember. He had a heck of a wing span and when he got his hands on you, he controlled you but I don't remember him ever being real quick for a LT.

I can see how Broaddus might try and make that comparison but I would have to see how Fluker performed at the combine. Right now, I think he might be even slower then Flozell was, coming out of Michigan St.

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Flozell had elite quickness in the early years. He was a 5x Pro Bowl and 1x All-Pro Left Tackle. There are very few, if any All Pro Left Tackles that don't have elite quickness.

Flozell had elite quickness in the early years. He was a 5x Pro Bowl and 1x All-Pro Left Tackle. There are very few, if any All Pro Left Tackles that don't have elite quickness.

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No. I don't really agree with that. He had excellent length and strength. When he got his hands on you, he could control you and he was very good at that but he was not quick IMO. That's one of the reasons he had so many holding calls and false starts.

No. I don't really agree with that. He had excellent length and strength. When he got his hands on you, he could control you and he was very good at that but he was not quick IMO. That's one of the reasons he had so many holding calls and false starts.

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The Theory was that the false starts were partially due to him being deaf in his right ear. Early in his career the penalties were primarily false starts. The holding calls started when he began to lose his quickness in the later years.

The Theory was that the false starts were partially due to him being deaf in his right ear. Early in his career the penalties were primarily false starts. The holding calls started when he began to lose his quickness in the later years.

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I agree, part of the issue might have been hearing but that was not the entire problem IMO.

I never considered Flo to be a very quick LT but it's a matter of opinion. Our two don't agree on this player but that's OK. That's why you have discussion boards.

I agree, part of the issue might have been hearing but that was not the entire problem IMO.

I never considered Flo to be a very quick LT but it's a matter of opinion. Our two don't agree on this player but that's OK. That's why you have discussion boards.

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You do a good job with persuasive arguments, to the point that you had me doubting my memory. Luckily, I work from home and just happen to have some old VHS tapes. I found some from the 1999 season.

After review, I'm going to stay with my opinion that he had elite quickness; however, I should probably give my definition of elite.

Did Flozell have Tyron Smith type of quickness? No, very few players have that level of quickness that are in Tyron's (6-5, 307) weight range. I don't think there are any with that level of quickness that were as big as Flozell (6-7, 340).

It could be that we just have a different definition of elite quickness.

You do a good job with persuasive arguments, to the point that you had me doubting my memory. Luckily, I work from home and just happen to have some old VHS tapes. I found some from the 1999 season.

After review, I'm going to stay with my opinion that he had elite quickness; however, I should probably give my definition of elite.

Did Flozell have Tyron Smith type of quickness? No, very few players have that level of quickness that are in Tyron's (6-5, 307) weight range. I don't think there are any with that level of quickness that were as big as Flozell (6-7, 340).

It could be that we just have a different definition of elite quickness.

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That is reasonable. To me, I just look at the position as a whole and then I define it as such. Size is really not something I consider, other then to compare it to another player who may not have that kind of size. To me, he did not have that kind of quickness but certainly, for his size, he was a very good athlete with better then average agility. Just not at the very top of the spectrum IMO.

I have no real issue with what you say above. I think Flozell was a very good player for us. He frustrated me with the holds and the false starts and I thought we held on to him too long but over all , I think he was a very good LT for us.

I do think, however, Johnson is a better athlete. He will not be as powerful as Flo and he probably won't have the length but he will be, athletically superior. Having said all this, that doesn't mean he will be better. That remains to be seen.

Yea he'd be on my short list of players in Round 1, extremely powerful with a nasty demeanor. Plus he has positional versatility, could play either Guard spot or RT. I think he can be a Pro-Bowl type of Guard where he'll be able to do what he does best, maul people in a phone booth, but I can also see him being a pretty good RT within time.