i have had multiple games where 4 people are autofilled and one person was secondary roled so litearlly NO ONE got their main how is that even possible. after trading 4 of us were on our mains and one person was on their secondary. so literally no one need to be autofilled

this happens all the time the system is awful. I queue on my secondary account all the time. i often queue with him as adc/jg he queues jg/mid. he often gets autofilled and the give me jg. makes 0 sense why they would put a person on secondary and a person on autofill when they could just give him jg and put me on autofilled.

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You can't determine the popularity of something based on how many upvotes it has, because not everyone expresses their opinion on the boards. No one can say for certain how many people will enjoy and play an old lady champion.

it was mostly sarcasm/satire pointing out that it is well know now that over the last year tencent has put a lot more pressure on riot to maximize profit of league. which is why we are seeing EA levels of corporatism recently. such as prestige skins, rising cost of rp and budgets cuts. a champ like this would require to be executed right and marketed well which is way more effort than riot is allowed to put into something that could potentionally have a small return. much easier to paint a popular champion gold and call it a prestige skin and sell it for 100$.

ADC had to complain for 8months to get cancer mages out of their lanes and even now they still have to occasionally deal with that cancer such as nekko. means you still have another 5-6months before riot listens to you.

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I can't actually think of a skin where a champions nationality has ever changed. Lucian is always black, Ekko is always black, Karma is always Indian and Akali is always Japanese presenting.
In fact if what you're claiming was the case then Taliyah wouldn't of been SE-A in her SSG skin, yet she is.

literally in this skin line both fiora and ire nationally appear to change sooooooooooooooooo.........also my point was that skins massively change champions all the time. what does program lb keep from lb? what does darkstar j4 keep from j4? what does any of the heartseekers really keep from their original skins?

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Try to understand.
Her winrate is borderline average in lower divisions and a bit higher in higher divisions due to OTPs mastering her more effectively. Only OTPs play Riven and nobody else which is why it's hard to say she is broken, if she was played across all divisions without effort, she would be broken, but considering she needs a lot of time to learn and master she isn't. The higher you go, the more you need to invest into mastering her and matchups.
Her playrate is high because Riven OTPs spam games with her and play only her. She has the highest player base, because people love to play her, not because she is broken. As a fellow Riven player i play her in all roles including as support.
Riven did not receive any buffs to be strong, but she did receive adjustment on Q long ago (year or two ago) which gave her 5AD on Q and she received a ult cdr revert, meaning she had lower cdr on R before rune changes and was a lot longer when new runes got introduced. So they changed back her R cdr.
That is all.
She can be considered strong because items suit her better than others and not because they Suit only her. With Conq change which gives lifesteal and ad, it's great to go Deathdance for Riven.
Riven still has hard counters and always will have. Nothing changed there, but people want to play any champ against her (even weak ones against her) and after they lose they complain how she is OP. No, she just has good and bad matchups. Before Grasp her easy matchup was GP, but after Grasp received a long ago a buff, it became a hard one since Gp could have a free lane to scale. That is how things change with every patch.

know this will get downvoted but they post is actually just straight up factually false in almost every way. just going to address the top lane use to be all about fighters. no it wasnt go back and watch games in season 3 and see lissandra lulu kennen rumble ryze and kayle in the top lane all the time. and if you say "yea but in season 1 top lane was about fighters" then your talking about an era where players thought the best role for adc champions was in the mid lane soooooo. The romanticizing fromtop laners about old seasons is tiresome the balance in this game has always been a complete joke we are just way more aware of it now cus A there is more information about the game B most players are no longer in the honemyoon phase they were in season 2/3/4

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> Is this a new skinline, or is this just fanmade
it the skins for the winners of last years world every year the winners of worlds get a skin for each of the players on the team that won chosen by the winning players/team.

there no confirmation she is suppose to be 80yrs old here either. it is a skin age/nationality can and does change all the time in the skins. especially in esports skin where they are more designed to honor/represent the teams that choose them and not the champion.

it not the "only" one there are plenty of skins where the skin projectiles are actually smaller (even if it just slightly) then then base skin and thus the real hit box and so since most people dodge animation not hitboxes the skin makes you land more skill shots. also many skins change the color of the particles to colors that less noisy or blend in easier again making them easier to land skills shots especially in busy team fights as they easily get lost in the noise

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But none of those examples make your point..
Garen is characterized by his morals and position as an elite soldier. This is a lot different from the point made about Camille whose age is a big part of who she is.
* Dreadknight does not kill this concept of Garen at all. He is still Garen, just darker.
* Admiral is just Garen if he had been brought up in Bilgewater instead of Demacia... It's a unique re-imagining, but again. It's still Garen because the qualities of his character remain intact.
* Literally nothing about God King goes against Garen at all. That is likely what he would be like if he ascended to Godlike Power. He's already hardcore on Justice and resides in Demacia.
**For Camille:**
* Elderwood is fine. She doesn't need grey hair there because she's already embodying something ancient.
* Program is also fine. She is full machine. No big deal.
* New Skin. She looks 20. That's a problem. Her hair should be made gray.

you do realize that the new skin is a skin to honor the lcs player for winning worlds. they pretty much throw the rule book out the window because the skin is not meant to represent the champ anymore but the player because the players who won choose the champ. they literally talk with the players about the color scheme and aesthetics that will be chosen. the only thing they cant do is make changes that would harm gameplay.

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> Skins are not lore.
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> Skins SPECIFICALLY do things differently than lore, because there are technically no real limits on what they can be.
They're not lore, but they still have to be the character. We're not going to give Gragas a skin where he's skinny, now are we? No, because that would remove a trait of Gragas that distinguishes him from other males in the game.
Generically making Camille another young face in a sea of young faces is counterintuitive to them making her an older woman in the first place.

this is such a false equivalency. i doubt the majority of people would not have her gray hair as the "iconic" or unique part of her design. most people would rightfully say it is her legs that are literally blades or her attack on titan like grappling hooks. second of all they cant change garags belly because there are these things called game mechanics that require champions to remain relatively the same sulhouette for gameplay purpose and clarity reasons. changing camille hair color doesnt make her no longer read as camille because she is still prancing around on extremely long legs made out of blades. making gragas skinny would literally make it impossible to identify him as gragas quickly while in a game.

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> I'm pretty sure skins are made to present a character in a different fantasy, so if that fantasy involves Camille without grey hair, then it's fine
But her age, as conveyed by her gray hair (which is really the only conveyance of it, she doesn't even mention her own age), is a core trait to Camille. Like Gragas' fat belly. This line of logic would imply that if they released a Gragas skin with him looking like Varus or Kayn, then that'd be ok, because it's an alternate fantasy.

this is such a false equivalency. i doubt the majority of people would not have her gray hair as the "iconic" or unique part of her design. most people would rightfully say it is her legs that are literally blades or her attack on titan like grappling hooks. second of all they cant change garags belly because there are these things called game mechanics that require champions to remain relatively the same sulhouette for gameplay purpose and clarity reasons. changing camille hair color doesnt make her no longer read as camille because she is still prancing around on extremely long legs made out of blades. making gragas skinny would literally make it impossible to identify him as gragas quickly while in a game.

expect she doesnt even remotely look like a older woman in the first place "grey hair" doesnt equate to making a champion look old unless your also going to claim ashe looks like a old women. they only thing that even remotely suggest camille is old is actually the style of hair which makes her look older. secondly the coven skin she clearly is designed to look like an ancient being and i think they succeed she clearly looks like a being that has been a live a long time but is kept alive because she is somehow immortal. thirdly her other skin is program which fit her theme of being an android even if she had hair like the other program skins it would be gray all their "hair" is either green digital hologram (lb) or wires (nami).

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These 2 skins are sacredly rare, owned by couple players who still play until now and they are being so selfish and they refuse any other player to share them these skins.
U all literally protest whenever anyone asks or begs for a chance to obtain at least one of them or even a re-released copy of them...sry for this but u all deserve the 0 attention, dnt judge riot for being greedy cuz tht's how u're all are being as season 1 players.
Unless these 2 skins would become available in the store for even 30 mins only, I wish riot never adds any work on them, not even a recolor.

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> These 2 skins are sacredly rare, owned by couple players who still play until now and they are being so selfish and they refuse any other player to share them these skins.
> U all literally protest whenever anyone asks or begs for a chance to obtain at least one of them or even a re-released copy of them...sry for this but u all deserve the 0 attention, dnt judge riot for being greedy cuz tht's how u're all are being as season 1 players.
> Unless these 2 skins would become available in the store for even 30 mins only, I wish riot never adds any work on them, not even a recolor.
I dont care if other people have these skins. if they gave me a watermark to show i was an original own like they did with the legacy skin a long time ago i would be more than happy. I just want the beauty that is silver kayle to have the blue or silver vfx she deserves.

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> I mean come on. What did you honestly expect to get more attention? The super rare limited skin that only a handful of people actually have or their next cash cow?
not looking for the same amount of attention i understand ahri is their cash cow. i specifically said i dont expect the effect to change i literally just want to them to change the color of the effects it can't be that hard to turn the effects to light blue or dark green.