(02-12-2019, 10:26 AM)BurnsyCEO Wrote: Monegatari is one thing. It has pretty consistent quality through and release order is easily the best way to watch. But each show is it's own separate beast. You have to take into consideration, quality across the series, viewing experience, will it make sense, would they drop a show if you made people watch some really boring part of the series first. After watching the kara no kyoukai movies 3 times already I have come to the conclusion if you try watching movie 1 first you're gonna have 0 clue about anything they're talking about, why anyone is doing what they're doing, who they are, what the overall plot even is and the point of the whole movie because it's so badly made for a first time viewer and it almost assumes you've read the whole light novel series. That's why I know so many people who've just dropped it after the first movie. Chronological makes the series lose some of it's charm because of the nature of the series but being able to enjoy all the movies without going "wtf is going on" is a good enough reason for me to recommend chronological order for this. Similarly, fate series also had a different issue with a different watch order(s) to remedy it.
Even orders which are not chronological or release, but instead community agreed have a lot of merit if you want to avoid, bad, unnecessary, non cannon stuff or just give you a better viewing example. Look above at the reply I made to risk about the index/railgun series. We went in blind and ended up all dropping it but if we had known a better it could easily have been a fun show to watch.

I almost always will watch in release order first but during rewatches, I will experiment with chronological and any other order (could even be my own). So yeah I don't think it's idiotic at all.

I have watched half of the first Garden of Sinners movie and I feel like if I watch it chronologically the mystery element of it will be lost in translation, you know, like figuring out all the pieces of the puzzle by yourself. Sort of like in Monogatari where by the time you reach Owari S2 you sort of get everything.
The only point of contention for me is Haruhi with respect to orders because KyoAni themselves first aired Haruhi S1, and when they aired Haruhi S2 they intermixed episodes in between S2 episodes so as to fit everything chronologically to have a 28 episode broadcast.
Fate is a mess at this point and the only problem is the lack of a good Fate route adaptation. I'll still check it out to see if I like it, I mean it is still popular and I think F/Z's sheer quality has a lot to do with its criticisms.

With Index/Railgun I can't say anything because I didn't start it but yeah I do hear a lot of people talk about Railgun being better(Risk here as well) and a lot people also say that Index's first few arcs are pretty boring.
But, even in Railgun you have people saying there's fillers, etc and ask you to skip episodes but then there are other people who say it's just as good and that there's no point in skipping it.

I agree with you, if at all I rewatch Monogatari(which is unlikely since I don't rewatch anything these days) I'll try the chronological order but for now I think release order is the best.

" Justice is subject to dispute; might is easily recognized and is not disputed. So we cannot give might to justice, because might has gainsaid justice, and has declared that it is she herself who is just. And thus, being unable to make what is just strong, we have made what is strong just."

(02-12-2019, 05:33 PM)MadaraUchiha Wrote: I have watched half of the first Garden of Sinners movie and I feel like if I watch it chronologically the mystery element of it will be lost in translation, you know, like figuring out all the pieces of the puzzle by yourself. Sort of like in Monogatari where by the time you reach Owari S2 you sort of get everything.
The only point of contention for me is Haruhi with respect to orders because KyoAni themselves first aired Haruhi S1, and when they aired Haruhi S2 they intermixed episodes in between S2 episodes so as to fit everything chronologically to have a 28 episode broadcast.
Fate is a mess at this point and the only problem is the lack of a good Fate route adaptation. I'll still check it out to see if I like it, I mean it is still popular and I think F/Z's sheer quality has a lot to do with its criticisms.

With Index/Railgun I can't say anything because I didn't start it but yeah I do hear a lot of people talk about Railgun being better(Risk here as well) and a lot people also say that Index's first few arcs are pretty boring.
But, even in Railgun you have people saying there's fillers, etc and ask you to skip episodes but then there are other people who say it's just as good and that there's no point in skipping it.

I agree with you, if at all I rewatch Monogatari(which is unlikely since I don't rewatch anything these days) I'll try the chronological order but for now I think release order is the best.

Yes with railgun half of both seasons are filler but they're still enjoyable enough.

(02-12-2019, 06:05 PM)Risk Wrote: Yes with railgun half of both seasons are filler but they're still enjoyable enough.

And about Index is it true that only the first few arcs are boring? I mean usually when people people say something gets better it's because they actually liked it in the first place and they never found it boring.

" Justice is subject to dispute; might is easily recognized and is not disputed. So we cannot give might to justice, because might has gainsaid justice, and has declared that it is she herself who is just. And thus, being unable to make what is just strong, we have made what is strong just."

(02-12-2019, 05:33 PM)MadaraUchiha Wrote: I have watched half of the first Garden of Sinners movie and I feel like if I watch it chronologically the mystery element of it will be lost in translation, you know, like figuring out all the pieces of the puzzle by yourself. Sort of like in Monogatari where by the time you reach Owari S2 you sort of get everything.
The only point of contention for me is Haruhi with respect to orders because KyoAni themselves first aired Haruhi S1, and when they aired Haruhi S2 they intermixed episodes in between S2 episodes so as to fit everything chronologically to have a 28 episode broadcast.
Fate is a mess at this point and the only problem is the lack of a good Fate route adaptation. I'll still check it out to see if I like it, I mean it is still popular and I think F/Z's sheer quality has a lot to do with its criticisms.

With Index/Railgun I can't say anything because I didn't start it but yeah I do hear a lot of people talk about Railgun being better(Risk here as well) and a lot people also say that Index's first few arcs are pretty boring.
But, even in Railgun you have people saying there's fillers, etc and ask you to skip episodes but then there are other people who say it's just as good and that there's no point in skipping it.

I agree with you, if at all I rewatch Monogatari(which is unlikely since I don't rewatch anything these days) I'll try the chronological order but for now I think release order is the best.

When you watch a fragmented show like such, you either end the show with everything making finally making sense or somethings make sense but you liked the anime/finale a lot but there's stuff you don't understand and you like the world enough to rewatch it and you do. Whatever order you rewatch it make way more sense and all the stuff you thought were plot holes were just some brilliant out of the box story telling. If you don't rewatch you might never "get" the anime. And it's something that sits at the back of my head so I end up rewatching. This could be somewhat remedied by watching chronological, depends on the person a lot too.
KnK is just a lot more philosophical and mindfucky than monegatari (don't question me on this till you've seen movie 5) so order of watching isn't as simple as just stick to release. Boogiepop is going to such an anime, if I like it'll be rewatching it.

I've no idea about haruhi so no comment.

What do you mean there's no good fate adaptation? Everything by ufotable is gold.

(02-12-2019, 05:49 PM)Demon_skeith Wrote: I know the headache, my recent one was Puella Magi Madoka Magica. I learned of the tv show and then there was movies and I was like... what?

(02-12-2019, 07:02 PM)BurnsyCEO Wrote: When you watch a fragmented show like such, you either end the show with everything making finally making sense or somethings make sense but you liked the anime/finale a lot but there's stuff you don't understand and you like the world enough to rewatch it and you do. Whatever order you rewatch it make way more sense and all the stuff you thought were plot holes were just some brilliant out of the box story telling. If you don't rewatch you might never "get" the anime. And it's something that sits at the back of my head so I end up rewatching. This could be somewhat remedied by watching chronological, depends on the person a lot too.
KnK is just a lot more philosophical and mindfucky than monegatari (don't question me on this till you've seen movie 5) so order of watching isn't as simple as just stick to release. Boogiepop is going to such an anime, if I like it'll be rewatching it.

I've no idea about haruhi so no comment.

What do you mean there's no good fate adaptation? Everything by ufotable is gold.
Movie 1 and 2 are recaps and 3 is sequel.

I don't mind if things are fragmented and if they come together at the end but I also don't like it if the fragmented stuff bore me to hell, I also want the means to be enjoyable. Films like Memento or The Sixth Sense for example are good throughout, the novelty/gimmick just make them better. Same thing with Durarara or Baccano.

Yeah I'll definitely be watching Garden of Sinners so yeah sure. Boogiepop though still not sure about it.

No not Fate itself I meant the Fate route. The original F/SN. Every problem arises because people don't like that anime right.

" Justice is subject to dispute; might is easily recognized and is not disputed. So we cannot give might to justice, because might has gainsaid justice, and has declared that it is she herself who is just. And thus, being unable to make what is just strong, we have made what is strong just."

(02-12-2019, 07:14 PM)MadaraUchiha Wrote: I don't mind if things are fragmented and if they come together at the end but I also don't like it if the fragmented stuff bore me to hell, I also want the means to be enjoyable. Films like Memento or The Sixth Sense for example are good throughout, the novelty/gimmick just make them better. Same thing with Durarara or Baccano.

Yeah I'll definitely be watching Garden of Sinners so yeah sure. Boogiepop though still not sure about it.

No not Fate itself I meant the Fate route. The original F/SN. Every problem arises because people don't like that anime right.

It's not really bad, just dated and completely outshined by everything ufotable did. I'm sure it is a good adaptation in a vaccum if you compare it to the VN. No one complains about not stuff being added or removed. I'm actually leaning towards the side of people who say the series is best experienced if you played the VN first. It makes everything so simple and enjoyable.

(02-12-2019, 06:11 PM)MadaraUchiha Wrote: And about Index is it true that only the first few arcs are boring? I mean usually when people people say something gets better it's because they actually liked it in the first place and they never found it boring.

They were kinda slow and setting everything up I can get how people got bored. I don't really like saying shows get better because its more of just not being into it at the start. But like most shows the longer you watch the more you get into it so I guess you could say it gets better.

(02-12-2019, 07:21 PM)BurnsyCEO Wrote: It's not really bad, just dated and completely outshined by everything ufotable did. I'm sure it is a good adaptation in a vaccum if you compare it to the VN. No one complains about not stuff being added or removed. I'm actually leaning towards the side of people who say the series is best experienced if you played the VN first. It makes everything so simple and enjoyable.

I just don't like VN is all. Too much time to be spent and just not that enjoyable. But yeah I'll definitely watch the original maybe when the third movie is out.

(02-12-2019, 07:35 PM)Risk Wrote: They were kinda slow and setting everything up I can get how people got bored. I don't really like saying shows get better because its more of just not being into it at the start. But like most shows the longer you watch the more you get into it so I guess you could say it gets better.

Yeah I don't believe that either but this show's fanbase isn't guilty of saying as much as a fanbase like Gintama who have this as their only argument(or even Black Clover to some extent).

" Justice is subject to dispute; might is easily recognized and is not disputed. So we cannot give might to justice, because might has gainsaid justice, and has declared that it is she herself who is just. And thus, being unable to make what is just strong, we have made what is strong just."