Parliament to get vote on Brexit deal

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The Commons is having a bizarre debate today. It started with Labour fhrowing up legal contradictions in the Repeal Bill, . it could see, that hardly anyone understood, which government contradicted with other legal realities. The SNP then demonstrated they had no understanding of all that , and just didn't accept the referendum vote. That was then followed by Clarke Gapes, and Cash rerunning the whole referendum campaign, completely pointlessly. Yvette Cooper, then made an intelligent speech on the issues, and DominIic Grieve is making another one.

The debate is suffering from only the arch leavers and remainers speaking. Basically, though its clear that most people there have no idea what the issues are, and those that do are often trying to avoid attempts to derail the process, or to derail it.

The Prime Minister & Chancellor both said on live TV we would leave the Single Market if we vote to leave the EU. Their little booklet we all paid for stated the same thing. The only people trying to stop it from happening are the ones who simply cannot accept the referendum result and now will spend much of their lives.....quite frankly moaning.

The Commons is having a bizarre debate today. It started with Labour fhrowing up legal contradictions in the Repeal Bill, . it could see, that hardly anyone understood, which government contradicted with other legal realities. The SNP then demonstrated they had no understanding of all that , and just didn't accept the referendum vote. That was then followed by Clarke Gapes, and Cash rerunning the whole referendum campaign, completely pointlessly. Yvette Cooper, then made an intelligent speech on the issues, and DominIic Grieve is making another one.

The debate is suffering from only the arch leavers and remainers speaking. Basically, though its clear that most people there have no idea what the issues are, and those that do are often trying to avoid attempts to derail the process, or to derail it.

I've been watching it on BBC Parliament for the last 30 mins. The lunatics really have taken over the asylum.

The Prime Minister & Chancellor both said on live TV we would leave the Single Market if we vote to leave the EU. Their little booklet we all paid for stated the same thing. The only people trying to stop it from happening are the ones who simply cannot accept the referendum result and now will spend much of their lives.....quite frankly moaning.

The Prime Minister & Chancellor both said on live TV we would leave the Single Market if we vote to leave the EU. Their little booklet we all paid for stated the same thing. The only people trying to stop it from happening are the ones who simply cannot accept the referendum result and now will spend much of their lives.....quite frankly moaning.

The Commons is having a bizarre debate today. It started with Labour fhrowing up legal contradictions in the Repeal Bill, . it could see, that hardly anyone understood, which government contradicted with other legal realities. The SNP then demonstrated they had no understanding of all that , and just didn't accept the referendum vote. That was then followed by Clarke Gapes, and Cash rerunning the whole referendum campaign, completely pointlessly. Yvette Cooper, then made an intelligent speech on the issues, and DominIic Grieve is making another one.

The debate is suffering from only the arch leavers and remainers speaking. Basically, though its clear that most people there have no idea what the issues are, and those that do are often trying to avoid attempts to derail the process, or to derail it.

I've been watching it on BBC Parliament for the last 30 mins. The lunatics really have taken over the asylum.

Gosh this is so important half the HoC is empty, I expect they will all pile in later!

Not much chance of Amendment 79 (requiring the consent devolved assemblies) from passing as Labour aren't supporting it but it does seem strange that the devolved government of Flanders, Bavaria and lots of other regions of Europe get a say in approving our departure but not Cardiff, Edinburgh and Belfast.

Not much chance of Amendment 79 (requiring the consent devolved assemblies) from passing as Labour aren't supporting it but it does seem strange that the devolved government of Flanders, Bavaria and lots of other regions of Europe get a say in approving our departure but not Cardiff, Edinburgh and Belfast.

Parliament of Wallonia (Belgium) were able to hold up the Canada free trade deal and very nearly derailed it.

Not much chance of Amendment 79 (requiring the consent devolved assemblies) from passing as Labour aren't supporting it but it does seem strange that the devolved government of Flanders, Bavaria and lots of other regions of Europe get a say in approving our departure but not Cardiff, Edinburgh and Belfast.

Parliament of Wallonia (Belgium) were able to hold up the Canada free trade deal and very nearly derailed it.

Indeed. I don't think people realise how hard it is going to be to get this through 27 national parliaments and goodness knows how many regional ones. They will all want to add in their own demands before they sign off on it.

Not much chance of Amendment 79 (requiring the consent devolved assemblies) from passing as Labour aren't supporting it but it does seem strange that the devolved government of Flanders, Bavaria and lots of other regions of Europe get a say in approving our departure but not Cardiff, Edinburgh and Belfast.

Parliament of Wallonia (Belgium) were able to hold up the Canada free trade deal and very nearly derailed it.

That was a trade deal not in their favour which isn't the same issue. That doesn't bear any relation to what any of the 27 countries will do on Brexit.

Not much chance of Amendment 79 (requiring the consent devolved assemblies) from passing as Labour aren't supporting it but it does seem strange that the devolved government of Flanders, Bavaria and lots of other regions of Europe get a say in approving our departure but not Cardiff, Edinburgh and Belfast.

Parliament of Wallonia (Belgium) were able to hold up the Canada free trade deal and very nearly derailed it.

Indeed. I don't think people realise how hard it is going to be to get this through 27 national parliaments and goodness knows how many regional ones. They will all want to add in their own demands before they sign off on it.

Just looking at BBC Parliament. Why is the deputy speaker not in the Speaker's Chair? They have just gone for a division, but this was before that while they were still debating.

I think it is to do with this being the Committee Stage of the Bill. This is usually done in sub-committee but when there is a lot of interest it is done in the Commons chamber but it is still run as a committee meeting

A Committee of the whole House is sometimes used instead of a Public Bill Committee for some or all of a Bill's committee stage in the Commons. It takes place in the main chamber and allows all MPs to take part in the debate and to vote on the Bill's contents.

When the House sits as a committee it is chaired by the Deputy Speaker from a seat at the Table of the House. Committees of the whole House are favoured for Bills of constitutional or ethical importance and for parts of the annual Finance Bill.

Not much chance of Amendment 79 (requiring the consent devolved assemblies) from passing as Labour aren't supporting it but it does seem strange that the devolved government of Flanders, Bavaria and lots of other regions of Europe get a say in approving our departure but not Cardiff, Edinburgh and Belfast.

Parliament of Wallonia (Belgium) were able to hold up the Canada free trade deal and very nearly derailed it.

Indeed. I don't think people realise how hard it is going to be to get this through 27 national parliaments and goodness knows how many regional ones. They will all want to add in their own demands before they sign off on it.

Slight correction, the UK leaves at 11pm on March 29th 2019 no EU27 State (esp. devolved) gets a say in approving your departure. MEP's do get a vote on it though but if they reject the deal the UK still leaves on that date

Neither will any devolved State have a say in the terms of a agreement with the UK and the EU27 pre March 29th . But they will have a say in any Trade Deal agreed between the EU27 and UK post March 29th

I've just given a clear example of where a white paper would have helped the brexiters position, mainly by pointing out that it would have a defined position and so couldn't have been held to interpretation.

A brexiters response, as above, was 'its simple, we leave the EU'.

My response to that is fine... That's simple, we leave the EU, and join EFTA, as was another person's In This thread. That would have followed the result.

A brexiters response, No. That's not what we voted for. Well maybe that's what YOU didn't vote for. I know of people that were happy to leave the EU but stay in the customs union to be like Norway where we could have 'the best of both worlds, creating new trade deals whilst also trading good with the eu'.

Can a Brexiter seriously not see my point here? That a white paper would have made all this clear.

I voted to leave the EU, 100% of all its constituent parts. Once that had occurred whatever occurs next (stay out completely, rejoin or something in between) would be dealt with as the next stage of our relationship with the EU member countries, either through the EU or individually on it's break up. I had no problem with a simplistic question or lack of a white paper.

Please bear in mind the EU stated that there was no cherry picking. I was perfectly happy with that threat.

I've just given a clear example of where a white paper would have helped the brexiters position, mainly by pointing out that it would have a defined position and so couldn't have been held to interpretation.

A brexiters response, as above, was 'its simple, we leave the EU'.

My response to that is fine... That's simple, we leave the EU, and join EFTA, as was another person's In This thread. That would have followed the result.

A brexiters response, No. That's not what we voted for. Well maybe that's what YOU didn't vote for. I know of people that were happy to leave the EU but stay in the customs union to be like Norway where we could have 'the best of both worlds, creating new trade deals whilst also trading good with the eu'.

Can a Brexiter seriously not see my point here? That a white paper would have made all this clear.

I voted to leave the EU, 100% of all its constituent parts. Once that had occurred whatever occurs next (stay out completely, rejoin or something in between) would be dealt with as the next stage of our relationship with the EU member countries, either through the EU or individually on it's break up. I had no problem with a simplistic question or lack of a white paper.

Please bear in mind the EU stated that there was no cherry picking. I was perfectly happy with that threat.

Not much chance of Amendment 79 (requiring the consent devolved assemblies) from passing as Labour aren't supporting it but it does seem strange that the devolved government of Flanders, Bavaria and lots of other regions of Europe get a say in approving our departure but not Cardiff, Edinburgh and Belfast.

Parliament of Wallonia (Belgium) were able to hold up the Canada free trade deal and very nearly derailed it.

Indeed. I don't think people realise how hard it is going to be to get this through 27 national parliaments and goodness knows how many regional ones. They will all want to add in their own demands before they sign off on it.

Slight correction, the UK leaves at 11pm on March 29th 2019 no EU27 State (esp. devolved) gets a say in approving your departure. MEP's do get a vote on it though but if they reject the deal the UK still leaves on that date

Neither will any devolved State have a say in the terms of a agreement with the UK and the EU27 pre March 29th . But they will have a say in any Trade Deal agreed between the EU27 and UK post March 29th

Dominic Raab is getting a bit flustered by the interventions from his own benches.

He looks like a junior clerk responding to Dominic Grieve. His response to Grieve about the legal profession being unclear about precedent of ECJ rulings as they impact case law in UK was just appalling. Basically just parroting what the bill says ignoring the point that our senior judiary are making. This is going to an absolute mess in terms of legal issues. Grieve also made another point about ECJ and ended by saying you are going to have to deal with this issue at some point during the bill. Basically it may be hard and you don't want to face it but it has to be dealt with!!