It's funny how U of M fans always complain about two things when they lose

1. MSU hates us.

2. Fire Lloyd Carr.

It's always something.

Wonder if you read all the crap U of M players and fans were talking last week.

Why is it that when U of M wins it's because of Manningham, Henne, and Hart...but when they lose it is all Lloyd's fault?

Methinks U of M is obsessed too..with making excuses.

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I think it all comes from insecurity. Michigan no longer ranks as one of the top teams in the country. Also, their luck finally ran out. When you miss you quarterback and your running back - it is really tough to win. I wonder how many games would Lions win without Kitna and Jones?

I'm in the enviable position of rooting for both and criticizing both (not having attended either school). When they play one another, I hope for a close contest so I liked this season's game a lot.

I think they're both great schools academically. Obviously, UM gets higher ratings in those U.S. News and World Report writeups. But MSU is no slouch. When Ohio State people discover I'm from Michigan, the razzing always starts. I tell them I'm glad UM isn't a "football factory" and that they actually graduate their athletes.

But UM's athletic philosophy simpy befuddles me. Sure, with Lloyd, UM will always win 7-9 games per season playing nobodys in the nonconference (save the Pac 10 teams) and getting the Minnesotas, Indianas and Northwesterns of the Big 10. I've always wondered if they wanted to take "that next step." I was at the Rose Bowl when they won the '97 title and I figured, "OK, this is the start of something big." Well, it wasn't.

UM will always remain competitive academically. They have great professors there. I think more people would like to see that competitiveness across the board. And although they are competitive in many sports, football seems to be the dominant force in college athletics these days. Frankly, I'm fairly comfortable with them caring the most about academics. These are student-athletes, after all. Just say it out loud then. Just say, "We're happy with Lloyd Carr because our goal is to win the Big 10, not national titles. He graduates his players. He makes them into good citizens. That's what we want ultimately. Academics are our focus, not athletics."

One thing for 2007, not just in the big 10, but anybody can play with anyteam this year and possibly grab a W. At one time S florida was ranked 2nd, but lost three in a row before beatin up on Syracuse today. Nebraska had lost 5 in row including giving up 76 points last week to Kansas and then turns it around today and scored 73 pts in beating Kansas State.

As far as the Big 10 goes, both the Wolverines and Buckeyes were probably looking ahead to next weeks game and I think not only did Henne and Hart sit it out, but the some of the defensive players stayed at home in AA to gear up for next week. Like someone said, michigan's first goal is to beat OSU, second to win Big 10 title, 3rd to get to Rose Bowl, 4th to beat MSU and 5th is to win the national title. Other teams such as Texas, OSU, USC, Florida etc, first goal is to win national title

The Buckeyes are down 7 at halftime...If they go on to lose this game they will still try to beat the Wolves, but it will be a let down because they will not be in a position to win that mythical b-s championship

Well now next week is the the Battle for the Big 10 title and Rose Bowl, now that the Buckeyes will probably drop out of the BCS Championship game.

One thing that the Illini did with their shot gun QB vs the Buckeyes that Michigan's Mallet didn't do....run up the middle. Wonder if the Wolverines will exploit that opening if is it there or just take the sack. Hopefully Carr and Co was watching that aspect of how to beat OSU.

Can't see OSU losing two in a row, but we will see if the Wolverines have the guts and agression to win this and Carr doesn't come out with the conservative soft play..

Well now next week is the the Battle for the Big 10 title and Rose Bowl, now that the Buckeyes will probably drop out of the BCS Championship game.

One thing that the Illini did with their shot gun QB vs the Buckeyes that Michigan's Mallet didn't do....run up the middle. Wonder if the Wolverines will exploit that opening if is it there or just take the sack. Hopefully Carr and Co was watching that aspect of how to beat OSU.

Can't see OSU losing two in a row, but we will see if the Wolverines have the guts and agression to win this and Carr doesn't come out with the conservative soft play..

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I'm not so sure OSU is outta the BCS title run. They lost to a good team. LSU and KU both have tough games coming up so OSU could definitely move back up if they trounce UM. Seems like a lot of things could happen. Will be interested to see the next BCS standings.

Michigan football coach has made a decision, he's not letting on.
Asked during Monday's press conference whether he wants to coach next year, Carr said simply, "The only thing on my mind is this game."

Carr has been to a BCS bowl game the last 4 seasons. That's not bad.
After beating OSU Saturday, he'll be in #5..............

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When is the last time he won one though? He is 1-5 in last six bowls I think. If you want to recruit the top athletes, I mean the really skilled ones, you got to be impressive on New years day too and here lately it has been close but no cigar