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casey00001 wrote:So Mike if I buy a five year warranty from Costco with my Mastercard, you will automatically give me a ten year warranty?

You're talking about buying an extended warranty. Which extends the manufacturer's warranty. As the poster indicated MC (and Visa and other better credit cards) extend the manufacturer's warranty. So, uh, no is the answer to your question.

If I have to pay to return it within the 90-day warranty, unless it costs me over ~$165 to ship it, it'll still cost me less than what I were to pay for it new. If it dies on me thereafter, I'll just buy a replacement and begin to make up the difference with my next next refurb purchase.

You can spend your life trying to mitigate any/all risks. Or, you can live with them and pocket the savings.

If I have to pay to return it within the 90-day warranty, unless it costs me over ~$165 to ship it, it'll still cost me less than what I were to pay for it new. If it dies on me thereafter, I'll just buy a replacement and begin to make up the difference with my next next refurb purchase.

You can spend your life trying to mitigate any/all risks. Or, you can live with them and pocket the savings.

I agree and have bought many refurb'd items especially on Woot. However I would never buy a refurb item that is priced the same as a new item.

Ringo4422

Batman4oz wrote:I am hopeful that I will find what I 'want' here one day...since I have had a 70" Sony for about 6 years, I 'need' something at least that size, newer, LED, 3D, with unlimited internet access.
LG is almost there, but not quite...and too expensive.
Still....I dream.
^^X^^

That one is LCD, not LED....and this would consume less power than LCD one.

They are BOTH LCD.LED refers to the BACKLIGHT."LED"TVs use you guessed it-LEDs behind the screen for illumination.Other non-plasma TVs use florescent lighting as flat panel monitors and TVs have used for years."LED" TVs can use either rows of LEDs around the perimeter-"edge lit",or a full panel of white LEDs behind the screen,which is more expensive.The advantage of full panel LEDs is you can increase the contrast by dimming only the LEDs in dark areas of the screen"local dimming",which helps with the biggest LCD shortcoming,lower contrast ratio.Some reviews have found uneven illumination on edge lit TVs,but I'd probably never notice it in the real world.

There are also OLED TVs but they are still hugely expensive.Right now for normal people it's LCD or plasma.

RichardCarver

Batman4oz wrote:Actually, compared to what you would have paid a few years ago, today's prices are Bargains, and the technology is So Much Better!
I paid over $4000 for my 70", but at the time it was going for $7000 to $10,000!!! So, I got a 'deal!'
Now, I wouldn't be able get even Half what I paid...IF someone wanted to buy it, which I doubt!
When this ones dies, I won't feel much pain spending $2000 to get one that is bigger and better...but will Hate disposing of This monster!
^^X^^

Trade it for something while it's still working. I just bought a 70 Vizio and had to get rid of a 65 Olevia I bought here on Woot in '08. The thing weighs 240 pounds! I traded it to my carpenter for future work and he and a large friend came and lugged it out of my house, he's happy, I'm happy.

redrotors

mike999990 wrote:Use your MasterCard on any NEW item and your manufacturer warranty doubles, no extra money spent and if it fails at that point your money spent on the warranty will prob pay a size able portion of a tv with similar features that is now x number of years old... Just a friendly reminder from your neighborhood MasterCard rep...
***please note as this is a refurb MasterCard's extended warranty would not be applicable, but next time they sell a new one here, fair game!***

bluemaple

dave17 wrote:They are BOTH LCD.LED refers to the BACKLIGHT."LED"TVs use you guessed it-LEDs behind the screen for illumination.Other non-plasma TVs use florescent lighting as flat panel monitors and TVs have used for years."LED" TVs can use either rows of LEDs around the perimeter-"edge lit",or a full panel of white LEDs behind the screen,which is more expensive.The advantage of full panel LEDs is you can increase the contrast by dimming only the LEDs in dark areas of the screen"local dimming",which helps with the biggest LCD shortcoming,lower contrast ratio.Some reviews have found uneven illumination on edge lit TVs,but I'd probably never notice it in the real world.

There are also OLED TVs but they are still hugely expensive.Right now for normal people it's LCD or plasma.

@dave17, you beat me to It - well said and pretty darn accurate.

Frustrating that TV sellers don't get their acts together by calling it "LED Backlighting" or "Flourescent Backlighting" depending on what you're getting. Lots of consumers are clueless on this.

redrotors

bluemaple wrote:@dave17, you beat me to It - well said and pretty darn accurate.

Frustrating that TV sellers don't get their acts together by calling it "LED Backlighting" or "Flourescent Backlighting" depending on what you're getting. Lots of consumers are clueless on this.

Thankfully Flourescent backlighting is disappering from the market...

CCFL is not disappearing from the market. It is for good reason. CCFL produces a "nicer" or "better" (subjective) picture than all but the more expensive and well done full array LED backlit sets. A cheap CCFL panel looks way better to my eyes than a cheap edge lit LED panel.

bluemaple

mike999990 wrote:Use your MasterCard on any NEW item and your manufacturer warranty doubles, no extra money spent and if it fails at that point your money spent on the warranty will prob pay a size able portion of a tv with similar features that is now x number of years old... Just a friendly reminder from your neighborhood MasterCard rep...
***please note as this is a refurb MasterCard's extended warranty would not be applicable, but next time they sell a new one here, fair game!***

@Mike9...90, Careful there - that's a pretty big generalization about *all* MasterCard's. Dangerous to assume all affinity MasterCard's do the doubling. And several other cards sometimes double - like the Costco Amex (might be an Amex Costco Executive feature tho)

Easy to call the card toll free number to verify before relying in that advice.

bluemaple

redrotors wrote:CCFL is not disappearing from the market. It is for good reason. CCFL produces a "nicer" or "better" (subjective) picture than all but the more expensive and well done LED backlit sets. A cheap CCFL panel looks way better to my eyes than a cheap edge lit LED panel.

Agreed there are a lot of crappy LED edge and back lit panels but the tech is still fairly new and getting sorted out - especially on the low end.

Better buy soon if you like Flourescent-lit - 'getting more and more difficult to find a non-cheapo/rebranded panel with it.

(Still love my Plasma - much better blacks and motion capability than any less than $3,500 LCD panel, whatever its backlighting.)

ripcrd

Looks like the TV I have. If specs are same then this is an awesome TV. Brilliant picture and plenty of hookups. Definitely read manual as we found out cool stuff it could do months after getting it. This is a great price too. I think we paid 1200 or more for it.

Ringo4422

bluemaple wrote:Agreed there are a lot of crappy LED edge and back lit panels but the tech is still fairly new and getting sorted out - especially on the low end.

Better buy soon if you like Flourescent-lit - 'getting more and more difficult to find a non-cheapo/rebranded panel with it.

(Still love my Plasma - much better blacks and motion capability than any less than $3,500 LCD panel, whatever its backlighting.)

I'm looking to replace my old and beautiful 1st gen. 55" 720p 3- 8" CRT RGB Mitsubishi Projection HDTV with a 60" Plasma. I will miss the dual tuners and built in Firewire DVR capabilities (yes, it records ANYTHING in 720p HD - no subscriptions). The wife is making me part with it to re-model the family room, so it goes. I can't take motion blurr, and the old analogs and all plasmas don't have those artifacts.
Oh, and yes, I also prefer the more natural whites from a CFL back lit LCD to a blueish white most LED backlit sets have.

erorc

Had the big brother to this (70" 800 series), supposedly a couple of notches up the quality/feature scale. Had TWO actually. The Panels both had horrible clouding (light areas), and Sharp uses a, what I'll call ABnormal mask for their pixels, which is more akin to old tube tvs than modern LCDs. Their color subpixels are arranged in a triangular pattern, whereas most other manufacturers (all?) use a square pattern. Upshot is that this causes edges to look fuzzy, even if they are perfectly vertical or horizontal, and the sharpness suffers. I took two back and went back to my Samsung.

bluemaple

ThunderThighs wrote:You've linked to a different model. The Costco one is not a Smart TV; ours is.

I would not lose any sleep over Smart TV features being included or not.

You can easily add the latest generation of smart features (and replace them separately from your monitor - that's what these flat panels are for most people today - inexpensively in the future) via either a less than $100 bluray DVD player or third party box.

BTW, @TT, is it just me or is that animated *thingy* at the *bottom* of your post just a bit obscene?

jsouthard007

Every credit card I've ever seen (and owned) will double the manufacturers warranty only up to one year additional coverage, and it excludes refurbs. Note that it's the manufacturer's warranty, not the seller's warranty, that they will extend so I'd be willing to bet that they will not extend Costco's warranty beyond the two years they give you.

evilmonkeyx

I've had this TV for over a year and a half. I bought it at Costco for $1100 new. Anyway, it's been a great TV. I have zero complaints except for two things:
1. Pretty apparent motion blur on sports (haven't noticed it anywhere else.)
2. When compared side-by-side with other TVs, the blacks are not the blackest.

Other than, no complaint. Easy to use. Easy to adjust. Great picture. Low energy consumption. Plenty of inputs.

nelicorbett

Thel58Edman

cartervt2k wrote:Looks like the model is slightly different. Dell's is a LC-60E69U, while this is a LC-60LE640U. I was just about to pull the trigger, but I want to figure out the differences are. Seems like the reviews for the one sold by Dell are kind of lousy.

Not a 'Bad Deal' at all. Power consumption is the main difference I see. The one at Dell is an LCD which uses a fluorescent back light and draws more than twice as much power(400 watts)as today's Woot! model which has an LED back lighting system and uses 188 watts. You'll easily burn up that $200 difference long before you wear out the tv buying that model from Dell.

MaxPayne3476

I can comment as I have the same TV and use the apps on a regular basis.

The included apps are fine to use, but between load times and responsiveness, the overall system is very sluggish. It takes a while for the application to actually load and then there is a considerable lag between remote presses and the response. It works, it's just slower and cumbersome.

The web browser is unusable. Vudu is a nice package, but I've only really found use out of Pandora. Netflix works as it should, just slowly. I still haven't gotten DLNA to work, it sees my phone and computer but it never connects.

Overall, excellent TV - but if you're buying for the SMART feature, you're really better off buying a dedicated box like Roku or Apple TV.

MaxPayne3476

bluemaple wrote:I would not lose any sleep over Smart TV features being included or not.

You can easily add the latest generation of smart features (and replace them separately from your monitor - that's what these flat panels are for most people today - inexpensively in the future) via either a less than $100 bluray DVD player or third party box.

BTW, @TT, is it just me or is that animated *thingy* at the *bottom* of your post just a bit obscene?

sdosborne

Suddenly my household feels inadequate. The common household items used to show the scale of this tv - President Taft, H.M.S. Titanic, and the Astro-Hungarian Empire. I have none of those items in my house, nor have I ever. I wonder how much an European empire would go for on Woot! ? Maybe I should look into getting one or two of them.

alpha232

I'm right on the edge of taking the plunge for this TV, the features are great, but the best features is that this is perfect for a HTPC setup. It supports control via Serial and also TCP/IP... It's so tempting, rarely seeing such a capable TV.

bluemaple

cainste wrote:You are comparing and LED Smart TV with a Dell LCD non-Smart TV? *sigh* I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

No one's forcing you to stay.

I compare monitors based upon picture quality, durability, and price. I could care less about whether it has internal "Smart" TV functionality or which back lighting it has (as long as it works right).

Many folks watch "TV" through cable boxes and or DVR's so they leave their "TV" on the external inputs, rarely if ever using the internal TV turner or Smart finctions.

cartervt2k

Does anyone have a mount they can recommend for this bad boy? I assume the one holding up my 42", 80 lb plasma will work so long as the bolt patterns are the same.

Also, what hardware do people recommend for anchoring a mount into brick sunk, I'm estimating, about 6-12" back from the wall? By the grace of God and about 20 wall anchors, my plasma has held up for the past 4 years. This TV is considerably lighter, but if I have to relocate the mount, I'm worried if the sheet rock might be weakened.

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