Now, I have a question. From reading fanfiction (and writing it this way), seems to me that most of the fandom believes that Kristoph was the one who raised Klavier because of absent parents. Does it say/hint this in Apollo Justice? Because I really can't remember, yet most of us think this way. Or at least I do. And what I believe is ALWAYS RIGHT.

Actually, I don't think it ever was established. I think it's just a generally accepted fanon. xD I suppose it just makes his incarceration even more tragic, if Klavier is losing all of his family rather than just his brother.

I'm using it as a wallpaper on my laptop... (I have to get myself an account on deviantART, just to tell the artist how much I love it...)Today in class, I was doodling (again) and this doodle just happened to be Kristoph (again), I wrote his name next to it, and one of the girls in my class saw. She is now convinced that I have a boyfriend called "Kristoph" XDTry and explain you're just obsessed with a fictional character... (I was more like: IN MY DREAMS )

and then I go off on random daydreams about AA characters piercing Kristoph's ears lol

But yeah, anime and manga and the like have a tendency to give their series a mysterious/evil/seductive character a tall blond guy with long hair and glasses. It's rather funny...and awesome.

EDIT: Anyone here besides me a fan of Kristoph/Phoenix? ...*sigh*, it's so unpopular. Anyhow, if you're so inclined, take a look at a post Croik made in another thread a few years ago that I found recently with some wonderful K/P art.

My scattered reflections on Kristoph: First of all, I'd quite underappreciated Kristoph's sense of humour. He's very keen on insulting but he does it in such a hilariously casual way. And, even when he's upset he's kind of unintentionally funny:

With that said, I like that, even before he goes ape-shit crazy, he loses his cool and doesn't have this cool, calm, collected thing going on at all times. It makes him feel more real to me; he is a pretty complicated one, and he keeps loads of secrets, and he manipulates, but unless many other villains throughout the series, he doesn't have a facade - his personality is his genuine one. As a sidenote, I haven't thought about it until now, but that authencity, and the peacefully sassy way of speaking, actually reminds me a lot of Klavier, even though they seem like polar opposites at first glance.

Another thing I like about Kristoph is that his character opens up much room for interpretation; about his relations, motives, psycholocks etc. He seems cold and calculating enough, but I don't think he is. Quite the contrary, he makes rash and irrational decisions, and they must be based on strong feelings, because at face value, everything he's done boils down to one thing: The forgery he ordered. Even if his plan would have gone perfectly, i.e Vera dies and he doesn't get caught, he's kept as Zak's lawyer and Zak doesn't disappear, the only thing he would gain would be winning a trial which he had no personal connections to whatsoever, except that his brother was the prosecutor. Therein lies the key to his entire crime route and following fall from grace, and I find it intriguing.

Like it or not, most of Kristoph's character is an enigma, including his personal relations. His and Phoenix' friendship is interesting, with them both kind of playing each other, yet I think they both actully appreciated each other's company. Kristoph seemed genuinely interested in defending Phoenix in 4-1, like he's not above pinning his crime on someone else, but he doesn't want Phoenix to take the fall for it. And Apollo - according to Phoenix, he'd seen Apollo around at Kristoph's office when Apollo was just 15. Why did Kristoph agree to go out for him? And Klavier... they seemed to have a pretty good and trusting relationship, at least from Klavi's point of view. As for Kristoph, I think he held lots and lots of emotions inside of him, but how much of them were directed to others as sympathy and liking, I have no idea.

Never the less, I think everything that happened, especially the last trial, was hurtful to him. We don't know the original stem of it all - jealousy, feelings of inferiority, pride, something else completely - but because of it he backed himself into a corner of paranoia, fear, not being able to trust anyone, and even then, it was all eventually brought to light and used against him. To top it all off, he lost his, to our knowledge, closest relations (Klavi, Phoenix, Apollo (and, physically at least, his best friend Vongole, the retriever)), with them even working together to bring his down. Even though he brought it upon himself, it must have hurt; all at once, he just lost absolutely everything he had, and it makes me wonder how he fared after 4-4, because I highly doubt that he was, or will ever be, his old self again.

Kristoph: I killed a man named "Smith" with a bottle because I am an evil human being.

Kristoph: ...Isn't that enough?

A part of me wonders whether he said it to stop Phoenix from asking anything more, if he's mocking himself, or if he actually believed that.

As for myself, I'm inclined to put "evil" and "human being" on the same level in that sentence, because there's something that sets him apart from other villains of his caliber like Dahlia, Matt and Manfred. For all the horrible things he's done, I strongly sense this shred of humanity in him, and I can't help but being touched by it.

Bohoooo! Ohoho! Kristoph... That trial, when he totally lost it, lost everything, his pride, his... cool, his... It really played on my heartstrings. (He's playing on the world's tiniest violin because I'm so damn sappy at times.) As much as I pity Klavier, I pity Kristoph as well. Perhaps he doesn't deserve it, but I definitely see a trace of humanity in him - I do believe the line about him being "evil" is said in a semi-sarcastic "well, there you have it"-manner.

You got there before me and I don't feel like I have much to add, and if your text was all over the place mine is much worse. I was so utterly frustrated at first, not knowing what those black psyche locks represented... Not being able to break them... Now I'm just happy because of it, after DD, knowing what they mean. Happy because he remains an enigma - which I truly appreciate. We don't really know his motives for killing Zak - because he doesn't seem to know it himself, really. What's hidden in the soul of his? Oh, he intrigues me. And his humor is top notch.

I really wonder how he acts after his fall from grace, when he has nothing to lose anymore, his pride is smashed. Post-breakdown, post-everything.

Gimme a "P"! Gimme an "I"! Give me a "P" and an "E"! What's that spell?! Pipe!

*plays the vioin in a desperate, shrieking manner until it breaks* Poor everyone, really! It gives me a hole in my stomach and a lump in my chest. *mutters* "You're no longer needed." Harsh - I imagine that line, among many others, was hard for both brothers.

Yes - I agree. I can see him switching between the two, actually, unstable as he seems, where his "cool, calm collected" isn't required anymore. Mixed emotions as well as the emotions he probably repressed. (I only see that angry clutching-himself-twitching-with-the-eye-sprite in front of me. Haha.)

Gimme a "P"! Gimme an "I"! Give me a "P" and an "E"! What's that spell?! Pipe!

"You're no longer needed." Harsh - I imagine that line, among many others, was hard for both brothers.

That line in itself was almost enough for me to symphatize with Kristoph xD

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Yes - I agree. I can see him switching between the two, actually, unstable as he seems, where his "cool, calm collected" isn't required anymore. Mixed emotions as well as the emotions he probably repressed.

Perhaps even some relief mixed into the whole mess, as everything is over and he doesn't need to bother worrying about getting found out any longer.

Question: Was Kristoph ever actually convicted for the Misham murder? Everyone just kinda assumes it per Ace Attorney tradition, but remember the lack of evidence. That was the reason a jury was needed to exonerate Vera. Yes, Vera... She was found innocent, but that doesn't necessarily mean Kristoph was found guilty in her place. There'd have to be a separate trial (as confirmed by The Stolen Turnabout with Luke Atmey's trial) and with the lack of evidence, I wonder what the outcome of that was. Was a jury used there as well? Because if not, it would seem as though it'd be difficult for the prosecutor to make a case... Then again, that's usually the defense's problem. Prosecutors in AA can just make up the flimsiest bullshit and still get the defendant convicted, while the defense has to fight tooth and nail against even the most obviously terrible logic.

In the end, though, I guess it doesn't really matter, since he was already incarcerated anyway. Regardless, he now has to live with the festering rage of his plan to kill Vera failing, Phoenix Wright rising back out of the ashes, and everyone with half a brain knowing he's guilty as sin even if he's not charged with anything (just like his good pal OJ Simpson). The guards probably won't be bribed so easily into bringing him nail polish and fancy chairs now that they know he tried to poison a 12-year-old girl, olololololol u phail krissy xDxDxD!!!1one!1

...Also, why can't I make new threads? I'm new here so do I have to wait a few days or what?

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