An alternative thread has been opened for direct discussion on the incident, I for one have no objection to the NASCAR regulars continuing to post about it here or on the NASCAR thread.

It's an emotive subject, I feel there's too many sources confirming it's a fatality for us to pretend it's not "confirmed". Dilla's post of a timeline tallies with many accounts I've seen and as for ESPN having "broken the news" fully an hour after FOX Sports, it's now dropped off totally while they continue to nosh off a pre-season NFL non-event debut. 1am on the West Coast and it's all tucked up nicely for the evening.

Useless, but given the links to ABC and recalling the utter shambles they made of the Dan Wheldon crash, I'm not that surprised.

Edit: Now it's breaking and they've shown the video.... class move.

I didn't catch any coverage of the crash on ESPN or anything else, I guess they covered it as terrible as they usually cover things like this? The Wheldon coverage was mindblowingly awful.

Just dropping another subject to lighten the mood. (just learned about the Tony Accident, but staying clear from that thread for now)

It appears (per AS none the less) that National Guard is terminating their sponsorship programm because they failed to recruit a single person, I mean... no one really? Still should be no trouble finding other names for Jr, he has won 3 races this season.

Just dropping another subject to lighten the mood. (just learned about the Tony Accident, but staying clear from that thread for now)

It appears (per AS none the less) that National Guard is terminating their sponsorship programm because they failed to recruit a single person, I mean... no one really? Still should be no trouble finding other names for Jr, he has won 3 races this season.

Have to say it's 40+ fucking years, and still I see splits appearing in Watkins Glen guardrails. I know this is a 3500+ lb stock car, but while I think Ryan Newman is an utter ass, he's bang on the money with his views on the general safety at this track and that's despite much improvement.

Nascar has had a fatality here before, maybe they need another one before they wake up to the simple fact it's not suitable under this safety pattern.

I think they need to push the guard rails out and maybe more importantly use a barrier that stops cars being bounced back on to the track. The guardrail splitting is a little similar to F1 at Silverstone this year.