betiko wrote:the guy said he knew there were no VTs in the game and is probably the first one to mention it. I think only humans could know at that point that there were no VTs. And the argument of "you're pissed means you are scum" is ridiculous. I think you get much more pissed when you are town and people build dumb cases on you and you get lynched. he will turn out human, I a sure about that.

True, but he refusing to claim from what I see from his last post. It true that i poured gas on the fire for pointing out that he hadn't posted even though he had been on, but I'm suspicious when ppl don't post when others are calling for their head and they don't respond. Sorry Elon if I ruined mafia for you, but i expect that in some games that might be used as an argument against me later.

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betiko wrote:the guy said he knew there were no VTs in the game and is probably the first one to mention it. I think only humans could know at that point that there were no VTs. And the argument of "you're pissed means you are scum" is ridiculous. I think you get much more pissed when you are town and people build dumb cases on you and you get lynched. he will turn out human, I a sure about that.

Then he should have claimed. It's of no consequence now, because he decided not to claim, but to quit instead.

It rises from the sea, foul, bubbling expansions of viscous glowing mucilage. As though abyssal swamps of primeval times swarm together in a torrent of rancorous adhesive. The creature looks like nothing resembling known life, and yet, upon looking into the eyes that float to the top, one cannot deny the dread of being in the cold gaze of a being epochs upon eras upon eons in the making.

It moves. its massive body larger than a freight train gallops upon the shore, its body continually changing shape, although seemingly having no structure beneath, the tremendous weight snaps the sturdy boardwalks like rice-paper, the resulting discord is muffled to near silence under the being monstrous body.

But this creature was not attacking, nay, it was fleeing...the being's fell back into the deeps, not to be seen again.

Many unknown creatures converged that night, amphibious humanoids walked upon land, seeking the means to free their master, winged creatures flew in from the stars beyond, and some in the minds of mankind, unseen by physical senses.Most notably, the former masters and creators of the Shoggoth spread their wing-like appendages on the surface for the first time since the last ice age, their cilia extend and search for their target, and in a blinding speed they fly through the air. A sleeping homeless man was their unfortunate target of choice tonight, they set upon him, their teeth blooming like flowers from their starfish-like heads.

Well we learned two things. Firstly, it seems like mafia or anti town roles tend to be monsters. I suppose we could have some anti town human hybrids, but the flavor seems to indicate mostly monsters.

As for the dreamer king, I assume it has something to do with the other planes of existence. Monsters who cross over into our realm use portals. One of the ways we can fight back is to travel to their realm while asleep and fight them on their plane. Of course, this generally comes with the risk of losing one's sanity. I'd hazard a guess and say that soundman had some sort of night action that would help town. Not 100% sure though.

boy, does that feel better. now, does shoggoth count as town blue or as non-town not-blue? it was clearly a different color, but what of it? i did some research, but could not determine enough (due to my limited knowledge of lovecraft) to tell what alignment shoggoth would be.

as for doom, yesterday, i asked you to give us your alignment because i was looking for the info on you, to see if it could shed some light on the case you built.

boy, does that feel better. now, does shoggoth count as town blue or as non-town not-blue? it was clearly a different color, but what of it? i did some research, but could not determine enough (due to my limited knowledge of lovecraft) to tell what alignment shoggoth would be.

as for doom, yesterday, i asked you to give us your alignment because i was looking for the info on you, to see if it could shed some light on the case you built.

Why does it feel better saying what you said? You cant expect to say something, in this case an incantation to raise the dead (at least i believe it is from the Wiki though Kuranes is not included) and not expect to be questioned. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yog-Sothoth

I am curious Vodean, you keep speaking of alignment so who exactly do you think are the good guys and bad guys? The reason color was off because it was a seperate faction from traditional Town, Mafia, Third Party. seems to me its a fourth or maybe fifth party. Who knows.

Why does it feel better saying what you said? You cant expect to say something, in this case an incantation to raise the dead (at least i believe it is from the Wiki though Kuranes is not included) and not expect to be questioned. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yog-Sothoth

Kuranes was the name of soundman's character that was killed in the night.. so this would appear to be a resurrection of soundman (or at least an attempt to do so).

boy, does that feel better. now, does shoggoth count as town blue or as non-town not-blue? it was clearly a different color, but what of it? i did some research, but could not determine enough (due to my limited knowledge of lovecraft) to tell what alignment shoggoth would be.

as for doom, yesterday, i asked you to give us your alignment because i was looking for the info on you, to see if it could shed some light on the case you built.

Ok, so now that we see that my case was 100% dead on, does it still matter to you?

Night One wrote:amphibious humanoids walked upon land, seeking the means to free their master

Seems like a masoned group who have lost their leader. Probably third party, may win if they find their leader may become an SK group any other ideas?

Night One wrote:Most notably, the former masters and creators of the Shoggoth spread their wing-like appendages on the surface for the first time since the last ice age, their cilia extend and search for their target, and in a blinding speed they fly through the air. A sleeping homeless man was their unfortunate target of choice tonight

I would say this is another mason group; possibly with a lyncher/lynchee mechanism?

pancakemix wrote:I think the fact that Elon WAS lying was the most hilarious thing.

More later, I sleep now.

Check the scene.. I think Elon was painted purple for a reason. Hopefully / can varify whether or not he was supposed to be blue... Especially since no real roles are given in the scenes!

From what I take from my pm and probably others have similar pm's is that we are given a title or short descriptive words and our powers are put into a small abilities list. Although it'd be more useful to us having that info at least when they die :/

So far, no one has made the effort to post these connections yet, so I guess I'll bring it up.

From the night 1 scene, we get a bunch fairly vague statements about a ton of various things. BUT, we do get over very clear statement about the death scene:

Night 1 Scene wrote:the former masters and creators of the Shoggoth ... their cilia extend and search for their target, and in a blinding speed they fly through the air.

That first bold, I will come back to later, but the second bold does indeed lend itself to a lyncher/lynchee mechanic present in the game. But who is the lyncher and who is the lyncher's target? Well, from the first bold we get "former masters and creators of the Shoggoth." Well with a little wiki magic...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/shoggoth wrote:The shoggoths were created by the Elder Things. Being amorphous, they could take on any shape needed, making them very versatile within their aquatic environment. Though able to "understand" the Elder Things' language, they had no real consciousness and were controlled through hypnotic suggestion.

The Elder Things are described by the wiki as being "vegetable-like in shape... they had a five-lobed brain... The technology that the Elder Things possessed was not described at length, but was described as being extremely advanced... The Elder Things are known to have warred against the star-spawn of Cthulhu, the Great Race of Yith, and the Mi-go."So, we now know of at least two new parties: The Elder Things (Possible lyncher) and their "target." Although the wiki doesn't explicitly state who their target might be, it does have that nice passage about who they warred against: The star-spawn of Cthulhu, the Great Race of Yith, and the Mi-go, and one of these could indeed be the target. Which means we know we have at least four parties: humans/town, the Shoggoth (who may/may not be allied with the Elder Things), the Elder Things, and the target of the elder things. And we know that the elder things are the ones who killed soundman.

ghostly447 wrote:I think doom is onto something in all honesty. Going back, It was a very strange way of putting it. It didnt alarm me fully, but it did kind of make me think why he had to mention his gut so much, etc.

Unvote Vote Elon.

I don't remember if / is picky about it, but you might need to colour your vote.

ok, I see things the same way as ng1 and spiesr, that's good enought for a day 1. What tickles me the most is that he says he is not a vt/human, and to tell the truth I don't really see what other roles could be town and not human. The principle of the human role is that we are going to screw ourselves being too curious at night, or get recruited. I don't believe someone could be town and not a human. Day 1 we all have our sanity and I should've thought of this before.

unevote vote elon

he did not say that he is not a human, just that he is not a human like doom. i believe he is not the only one. i think its suspicious that all he has to go on is his gut, but i disagree heartily with everything doom has said. like everyone agrees, it was doom, not elon, that was lying. now people are seeing a BW and chaging their opinions. FOS iron, Betiko, spi, and lovo. you guys are being ridiculous. Now elon may well be scum, but your argument is dead wrong. oh and doom, if you want us to believe that you are so helpful to town, tell us your alignment.

A. Skimming Vod? Or just twisting words? ELON is the only one who has said that DOOM was lying, the rest of us were just suspicious. B. Doom really can't say anything more on his alignment . . . he already claimed human VT. C. I'm FOS'ing you and find that if elon flips scum then you should be our next target. . .

Time to put my money where my mouth was. I still think you're our best lead today Vodean.

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