Toomer says Tony Romo is better than Eli

Posted by Mike Florio on July 5, 2012, 6:22 PM EST

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Football players turned broadcasters won’t last long if they’re afraid to upset people they know in the league. By that standard, former Giants receiver Amani Toomer will have a 10,000-year media career.

Toomer, who hasn’t been shy about calling it like he sees it regarding former teammate Jeremy Shockey, has offered a strong opinion regarding the relative abilities of Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo and Giants quarterback Eli Manning while co-hosting Movin’ the Chains on SiriusXM NFL Radio.

“Tony Romo is probably, if you look at it statistically, he’s probably the best quarterback in the NFC East,” Toomer said. “You look at Eli Manning and what he does in the fourth quarter, but you talk about consistency, talking about 31 touchdowns and only 10 interceptions, that guy can play.”

Co-host Tim Ryan tried to walk Toomer back to the consensus view on that issue, and it sort of worked.

“I’m talking about, for me, if I wanted a guy that is going to throw less interceptions and be more productive, higher completion percentage, I’m going to go with Tony Romo,” Toomer said.

Toomer eventually agreed that, with the game on the line, Romo is lacking.

“At crunch time he’s not as good as Eli but every other time he’s pretty darn good,” Toomer said.

The comments prompted a stir on Twitter, including a gem from Giants spokesman Pat Hanlon.

Before the “But, but Eli has two rings” crew shows up, allow me to remind you all:

Trent Dilfer has a ring. Dan Marino doesn’t.

It’s a team game. Rings are not the measure of a quarterback.

And Toomer is right about the numbers. Statistically, Romo is superior to Eli in pretty much every way.

Romo is underrated and Eli is overrated, in both cases as a result of their teams’ respective post-season success.

drgreenstreak says:Jul 5, 2012 6:32 PM

Romo is definitely a better QB.
What people constantly bypass in their evaluation of QB’s is the other ten guys on the field with him and how much the defense has played a role in field position, etc. Coaching cannot be ignored, either.

If it’s just a SB ring that describes a QB’s value, Marino and a few others were lame QB’s.

canadianvikingfaniii
Jul 5, 2012, 3:39 PM PDT
Eli is good when it matters, Romo spins out of control. Romo is a better athlete and has better stats but that doesn’t mean a thing if you can’t produce in crunch time.

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Better stats!?!?

Eli Manning…

2× Pro Bowl (2008, 2011)
2× Super Bowl champion (XLII, XLVI)
2× Super Bowl MVP (XLII, XLVI)
2× NFC Champion (2007, 2011)
NFL Record most 4th quarter touchdown passes in a season (15)
Tied NFL Record longest pass completion and touchdown (99 yards)
NFL Record most road playoff wins by a quarterback (5)
Tied NFL Record most game-winning drives in a season (8)
Most road wins in a single regular season and postseason by a starting quarterback (10)
Most passing yards in a single postseason (1219 yards)

Eli is the second coming of Trent Dilfer. Give Romo that Giants D and you’ll be comparing him to Brady. I’ll take Romo every game, quarter, drive, and down!

birdsofbmore says:Jul 5, 2012 6:45 PM

Um show me he can win more than one playoff game Toomer and I might listen to you

nygf says:Jul 5, 2012 6:45 PM

Week 14 in Dallas, with the Giants within a score and threatening to come back, Romo has a wide open man on a Go-route with the chance to ice the game and likely the division title. He missed. Week 17 in the Meadowlands, with the Cowboys within a score and threatening to come back, Manning has an open man on a Go-route with the chance to ice the game and the division title. He hit him in the hands.

That might not be readily apparent on the stat sheet, but it certainly shows up in the most important place: the win column.

ilovefoolsball says:Jul 5, 2012 6:46 PM

Sure he is. Romo’s already won at least 1 playoff game while Eli’s won two Superbowls.
It’s more important for a quarterback to have a stronger arm and be a better athlete than be a winner.
Makes perfect sense.

I’m a Giants fan and even I’ll agree: Romo’s better statistically, it’s not even a debate. He is superior in TD:INT ratio, QB rating, accuracy, YPC, etc.

But I’ll take the two Lombardi trophies over fantasy football stats any day of the week. Eli will be a top 10 career QB in more important stat categories: i.e., SB MVP’s, 4th quarter comebacks, and greatest 4th quarter game-winning drives in SB history, etc, etc…

Congrats on the QB rating, though. I heard that matters.

nygf says:Jul 5, 2012 6:50 PM

The obviously impartial “Romo gets no blame for his team’s post-season success while Eli gets no credit for his team’s post-season success” crowd should be here shortly.

Hope they remember Romo has played with a #1 seeded team with HOF talents like T.O. and Witten in ’07 and a top ranked defense in ’09. Not to mention 200 yards rushing in the one playoff win he has to his name.

I’d like someone to compare which quarterback throws the deep ball more. Every time I watch the Cowboys, Romo is dumping the ball off to the running back for an easy completion and the blockers do all the work.

10elite says:Jul 5, 2012 7:21 PM

“The fact that Romo is the better golfer could be one of the reasons why Manning is the better quarterback. ”

I think this is backwards – Romo is the better golfer, b/c he usually has a shorter football season than Eli…

And here we go with the reams of blithering idiots who think team success is the measure of a quarterback’s talent.

Toomer is absolutely right. Romo is the better quarterback, and it’s not close.

But that’s not how it will be written, because we award all the credit to the most visible member of the team. In the same way that the President gets credit, good or bad, for the state of an economy that he barely influences, the quarterback will tend to get credit, good or bad, for the outcome of the team game.

Go back and look at the numbers (not the awards). Romo is better. A lot better.

Oh yeah, week 14 when Romo had his team up by 10 points with 3 plus minutes to go and then what happened?

The game that Romo threw 4 Td’s to no Int’s and had a passer rating of 141.3 and the game that Eil had 2 Td’s and 1 Int with a passer rating of 90.7. Yeah it is obviously that Eli was more superior in that game.

jakescott13 says:Jul 5, 2012 7:31 PM

Romo is vastly superior stats-wise w exception of game winning drives. I’d still take Manning b/c Romo makes goofy mistakes at critical times. Manning has to be superior at the immeasurables.

leigh1118 says:Jul 5, 2012 7:32 PM

stats are still for losers.

leigh1118 says:Jul 5, 2012 7:34 PM

I bet if you ask breed if he’d rather have more yards ever than any qb ever or another ring he would pick the ring.

Now that my Boys have some Db’s, watch how many times throw it up Eli gets picked. That’s whats up

tiredofblatheringnflexperts says:Jul 5, 2012 7:39 PM

Anyone making the comparison of Dilfer and Marino to Eli and Romo must be very young or a casual football fan. Eli is not a Dilfer, his team ask him to win games not manage games. Romo and Marino don’t belong in the same sentence. Today’s QB’s have the luxury of a league that wants points scored to attract fans, DB can barely touch receivers today’s so QB stats are completely inflated (see: Romo). The true measure of a QB nowadays is his ability to deliver in crunch time. Advantage ELI!

geatsromo
Eli is the second coming of Trent Dilfer. Give Romo that Giants D and you’ll be comparing him to Brady. I’ll take Romo every game, quarter, drive, and down!
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I can’t stop laughing at this post. I suppose Dilfer played as clutch as Eli in 2 SBs also.

Stats are fun to hear about, but I’ll always take the guy who plays clutch when it counts.

10elite says:Jul 5, 2012 7:48 PM

Who cares about stats? Yes, it does come down to who is more “visible”. Yes, it does come down to who history will remember. Yes, it does come down to winning games.

The long and the short of it is, if Eli was on the Cowboys, the Cowboys would have a better chance of winning than they do now. That makes Eli the better QB. This isn’t fantasy football.

Romo us a much better QB than Eli… Its the others around the QB’s that make the difference. All things equal, Romo kicks Mannings ass.

dbones750 says:Jul 5, 2012 7:48 PM

These retired guys ragging on their former teammates sound so bitter. Especially guys like Toomer, who didn’t go out on his own terms. No one wanted him, so he mad. Trying to get a headline. Congratulations Amani, you did it.

1) Romo’s career passer rating of 96.9 is the second-highest in the history of the NFL. Passer rating is far from a perfect measure of quarterback performance, but it says something that Romo ranks ahead of Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and Drew Brees.

2) In the fourth quarter, however, Romo’s passer rating actually soars to 102.9. Since 2008, the year after “The Drop,” Romo has thrown 30 touchdowns to only eight interceptions in the fourth quarter.

3) In the fourth quarter of one-score games over the past four years, Romo’s passer rating of 99.8 is higher than his overall passer rating. 20 touchdowns and seven interceptions, totaling 8.49 yards-per-attempt in the process.

5) Romo has led 14 game-winning drives in his career, including four in 2011.

6) Romo has put up the exact same passer rating in December and January as he has in September, October and November: 97.1.

7) In 2011, Romo has throwen10 touchdowns to just a single interception and posting a 115.9 passer rating.

Suck it Romo haters

chrisbirdman38 says:Jul 5, 2012 7:52 PM

redwards29a. Before I get started on this lame duck comment, I want you to know that I am a giants fan and I am bias, but facts are facts.

Everybody wants to look at the staticstics, sure Romo is a better quaterback, but what happens to the statistics when Romo is under pressure, or under the gun if you will. Well before you even go looking for those statistics let me just stop you and say this. I do not even have to look at them, when it matters the most Eli is Elite, and Romo, well, Romo is just not. Dear god people is everybody forgeting what happened in his first playoff experience. He droped a perfecly snaped ball and then he could not even get to the endzone. In close Eli does it better when it counts and Romo does it better when it doesen’t count (even though Romon has a hall of famer tight end, and always seems to have 3 all pro recievers). just saying.

doe22us says:Jul 5, 2012 7:53 PM

The mark of sports/competitive is where are you when the pressure ratchets up a notch? Can you fit throws in tight windows when the game is on the line, can you come through? Eli has proven this. Now if you want fantasy type numbers, then Romo is your guy.

Isn’t that the same game where right when you’re little romo story ended Eli led his team to two unanswered touchdowns in Romo’s house to win the game? The game a few weeks before he blew him out in a virtual playoff game? You’re talking about that right?

And Toomer is right about the numbers. Statistically, Romo is superior to Eli in pretty much every way.

Romo is underrated and Eli is overrated, in both cases as a result of their teams’ respective post-season success.
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I burst out laughing when this guy made a comparison of Eli to Romo is the same as Dilfer to Marino. In other words, he compared Romo to Marino!!!
OTOH, Manning is a two time champ and only a moron would see his performance and compare it to Dilfer’s (nothing against him).

Isn’t that the same game where right when you’re little romo story ended Eli led his team to two unanswered touchdowns in Romo’s house to win the game? The game a few weeks before he blew him out in a virtual playoff game? You’re talking about that right?”

I burst out laughing when this guy made a comparison of Eli to Romo is the same as Dilfer to Marino. In other words, he compared Romo to Marino!!!
OTOH, Manning is a two time champ and only a moron would see his performance and compare it to Dilfer’s (nothing against him).
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“Manning is a two time champ”

There you go, using the same single criteria.

I’m not comparing Eli and Romo to Dilfer and Marino. They’re obviously much closer together than that. I’m simply making a point: championships are not the proper way to measure QB talent. Eli is not a bad quarterback. He’s moderately above-average. But he has become massively overrated as a result of his rings. Romo is on the other side of that coin.

I you want a lot of comments, say something good about Romo…and the haters come out in droves. Crap on Romo from a great height, and all the haters come out in droves to agree, and talk about how great Eli is or even Vick. When Romo wins his Superbowl, the argument will be 1. it was all the defense 2. it was all DeMarco Murray, etc etc. The guy came from no where, and is a top ten QB..and plays at a high level. I guess it is easier to hate him because he is started out closer to all of us and that really bugs people. How many Super Bowls has first rounder Rivers won? Carson Palmer? They don’t get 1/1o the hate that Romo gets. Maybe its the all the hot chicks he banged, or his hot wife, or that he seems to be a decent guy. Vick is a lot easier to root for right?

I’m an Eagles fan, so I have no love for either of them. That said, Romo has talent, but is a choker and is immature as a leader. Eli has come into his own, and as much as I can’t stand his sourpuss, little girl face….damn, the guy had one hell of a year. Eli wins hands down.

gibbskins9 says:Jul 5, 2012 9:22 PM

I would assume Toomer will be joining the retired NFL players suing the NFL for concussions.

the best part is all u haters cant stand eli. hes looks like this he looks like opi he looks ike a re tard. guess what–giants fans could care less what toomer or anyone thinks. when my guy is leading HIS team that had the worst rushing attack in the league and whose UNREAL DEF didnt show up until week 15 onto the field for a wed game all u losers are goin to watch. u know what that means when u play the first game at home on wed or thurs.

Giants/Eli fans have related themselves to using either team stats or ambiguous notions to support what they really know inside. “He’s more clutch than Romo.” “He has the most comeback wins” Or, “He has two Super Bowl wins/MVPs.”

Let’s see. Your defense holds an offense that scored 40 points a game to 14 points, yet the QB, who threw for 180 yards is the ‘most valuable’?

Then he plays in another Super Bowl against the 29th ranked passing defense, yet only has 14 points in 59 minutes, to the Patriots’ 17. Makes a throw that everyone remembers. Same with the other Super Bowl. Yet this makes him so ‘clutch’?

The fact that he does it once every 4 years says he’s not particularly clutch at all. In the middle of these 4 years, the fans want him and the coach out of dodge. It’s easy to forget about a 25-INT season when lightning strikes a year later.

Romo in his last two FULL seasons only has 19 INTs. In his last two full seasons, Eli has 41. These are just the INTs, not including the fumbles. With this kind of QB’ing, a team couldn’t survive without a defense and other breaks happening for them. As soon as they win, it’s all Eli. Good thing for guys like Tuck and Umenyiora that they’re getting paid nicely and have two Super Bowls themselves and don’t need credit to survive. Otherwise, they’d be hurting.

All hail Eli. 41 INTs over 2 seasons, but he’s ‘elite’.

mikelou111 says:Jul 5, 2012 10:22 PM

Well, a Pats fan once said it best: “Basically, when I see Romo trot onto the field in the final minutes, I reach for a beer and some nachos. When I see Eli trot onto the field, I break out into a cold sweat.” Really, what more do you need to know?

elifan4life says:Jul 5, 2012 10:22 PM

Eli is the second coming of Trent Dilfer. Give Romo that Giants D and you’ll be comparing him to Brady. I’ll take Romo every game, quarter, drive, and down!

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Really??i’m pretty sure that Dallas has had a better defense than the Giants the last few years and what has Romo done since then??

Super Bowl rings aren’t stats, people. That said, I’d take Eli after all I’ve seen from both. And Eli has had as many embarrassing moments as Romo, but just from the overall body of work I’d take him first.

Is Toomer being serious here? I mean, I understand he doesn’t want to be labeled a “homer” and all now that he “believes” he’s a real analyst, but this is ridiculous. No, Romo is not a better QB. You can say a lot of things about Jerry Jones, but one thing that you can’t say is that he doesn’t spend money on talent to win. Cowboys are consistently more talented in many areas than the Giants, and Romo has plenty of weapons to win more than the one or two playoff games that he has won. Last year was Eli’s year…he had no TE until he made Ballard in to a solid TE, and no WR corp besides Nicks until he made Cruz a Pro Bowl player. This is all without A DEFENSE, until the playoffs of course. ANd to compare Eli to Dilfer is hilarious in so many aspects, especially since that Ravens defense is considered a top 5 defense of ALL TIME!!!! This shouldn’t even be a story, but the ELI haters will continue until he retires and hopefully then we can finally appreciate his career. I know all Giants fans appreciate him, FINALLY!!!!

elifan4life says:Jul 5, 2012 10:37 PM

During the 2011-12 season, Manning led the Giants on eight fourth quarter comebacks, including ones in both the NFC Championship Game and Super Bowl XLVI.

let that one sink in as we remember what Romo Did in Week 17 win and you’re in game at Giants stadium, Oh and let’s not forget the 07 run when he beat 3 teams on the road TB,DAL and GB then on to beat an 18-0 team at the time..

uraxcrunner says:Jul 5, 2012 10:39 PM

This made me laugh Toomer you are wrong on this one all the way. I’d take Eli any day before Nomo

elifan4life says:Jul 5, 2012 10:41 PM

don’t expect to see Toomer on the sidelines at Giants games anytime soon.

thegronk87 says:Jul 5, 2012 11:01 PM

they both suck. romo is not clutch. and eli is average without good receivers. look at eli’s numbers without burress, nicks, manningham, and cruz.

ppdoc13 says:Jul 5, 2012 11:14 PM

I’d take Eli ten out of ten times. Eli steps it up in big games and romo wilts under the hot lights I can’t believe that toom
Er as that stupid. Then again, iq was never a
Prerequisite to play the game

gaggee says:Jul 5, 2012 11:22 PM

Bottom line is this:

Giants GM = Ernie Acorsi

Cowboys GM = Jerry Jones

If Romo had the actual talent the Giants have he would already have at least 2 Super Bowl wins.

You notice I said “actual” not perceived.

In his defense, Jerry relies on his scouting department, which may not be as good as the Giants. Jerry also doesn’t always take the best player on the board during the draft. There are just so many factors in the assessment.

staffordsyear says:Jul 5, 2012 11:31 PM

Remember that meltdown romo had against my lions last year? That was awesome.

redwards29a says:
Jul 5, 2012 8:30 PM
I burst out laughing when this guy made a comparison of Eli to Romo is the same as Dilfer to Marino. In other words, he compared Romo to Marino!!!
OTOH, Manning is a two time champ and only a moron would see his performance and compare it to Dilfer’s (nothing against him).
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“Manning is a two time champ”

There you go, using the same single criteria.

I’m not comparing Eli and Romo to Dilfer and Marino. They’re obviously much closer together than that. I’m simply making a point: championships are not the proper way to measure QB talent. Eli is not a bad quarterback. He’s moderately above-average. But he has become massively overrated as a result of his rings. Romo is on the other side of that coin.

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Puhleez!! You are saying romo is *underrated*?
All he is doing is piling up stats in a inflation era.
Who says he’s underrated? He’s in the news all the time with witten, aikman

Eli has had better teams!?! Maybe in 2007 but since? What team, every single year, gets an unbelievable amount of love and praise for the amount of talent it has? The cowboys! Every year predicted to win the division and make their mark, last year Eli actually had WRs like Romo has had every single year of his career with a hall of fame TE, give that to Eli the last five year and he has the stats with that O line. Do people base better team on winning the SB? Because the giants were not the better team all season, Eli got them there and they stepped up. The more talented team, by far, outside the d line is the cowboys as they are predicted and praised every year for their “amazing” talent. Please

This isn’t even a debate Eli is the better qb. All you retarded cowboy fans keep bringing up the stat sheet…sweet wat you got to show for all those stats. 1 playoff win. The point of professional sports is to compete to win. If your all ok with good numbers and no titles then I feel sorry for you. Il take wins all day. And Eli flat out wins. If romo is anything like you cowgirl fans then have fun with another decade of mediocrity. And if you want some stats to make you feel better Eli threw for 4931 yards in the regular season, more than rooms ever thrown for. And Eli also owns cowboys stadium I think he’s 7-1 there so I feel confident saying Eli is the far superior qb than romo. Gmen all day.

As a Giant fan, I am sick and tired of all these idiots that say the Giants won because of their defense. You morons that claim the Giants won because of their defense, did you watch a Giant game all year?? The defense picked up in the playoffs, and the offense carried them all year. Lets not forget that the Giants had no running game, and Eli lost his favorite receiver, and best tight end. A QB is judged by his effect on other players. Victor Cruz was an undrafted free agent, Mario Manningham was a third round pick, Hakeem Nicks is the only first round talent that Eli had on the team. Lets not forget that they had different starters almost every week due to injuries, and yet he still made these guys look like pro bowlers. Dont believe me, answer this question how good did Kevin Boss look last year. How good did Steve Smith look last year (the first year without ElI, who made him a Pro Bowl player?) I wonder if stat queens have a lack of oxygen because some of you are just stupid. Year in and year out we hear that it’s the year of the Cowboys, we hear that they are going to go all the way, and every year they find a way to fail. The Giants defense won them a title, do you idiots realize that the Cowboys have had excellent defenses and perhaps one of the top five defensive players in the league. Yet They have won NOTHING. Why is that, go ask the Cowboys owner… To quote him, the difference between the Cowboys and the Giants is ELI MANNING. Get it through you thick skulls, ELI is the better player hands down. Romo can have all the stats he wants, which would also mean that he’s a better QB than Troy Aikman (that would be blasphemy to Cowboy fans wouldn’t it). Go check the stats, Romo’s numbers make Aikman’s look inferior, but who’s the better QB??? That ends your idiotic argument. But to humor you intellectually challenged buffoons how many QB’s in the Leagues history have multiple Superbowl MVP’s? Lets list them: Bart Starr, Terry Bradshaw, Joe Montana, Tom Brady, and that’s right Eli Manning. All those guys are Hall of Famers, and FYI, NONE of them would have won Superbowls without great defenses. The fact is, that Eli doesn’t have a big mouth, or an ego. However year after year he performs in New York( like no other QB in the history of NY) He doesn’t put up fantasy football stats and that’s because he doesn’t care about them, the only stat he cares about is the most important stat, WINS. With the exception of his rookie year where he started 6 games and only won one, ElI has never had a losing season (lets not forget that Eli hasn’t missed a game since he took over the starting job). Year after year, there will be 4-5 QB’s that are suppose to be better than ELI, but when the games are on the line, and you want a win, there is only QB that should have the ball. You don’t believe it? Go check your precious stats. Look up the most fourth quarter comebacks in one year, and see who owns that record. Oh yea, that would be Eli Manning. All you morons that would prefer stats can have them, I’m content with Superbowl wins delivered by my MVP QB!

ripster65 says:
Curious question to all. Assuming either of these QBs would be a significant upgrade to your team right now, who would you choose if given the choice?
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The Minnesota Vikings would be happy to take either one!
I like them both.

Eli has a top defense year after year. While Romo has a defense that blows leads year after year. Eli has one great season last year and everybody acts like’s the second coming. Next year Eli will be back to throwing his typical 20 to 25 ints a season. Take it to the bank.

Toomer is obviously showing signs of early dementia from too many blows to the head. Romo is a solid QB but he is mistake prone and makes Favre-like dumb plays often. Eli plays in a ball control offense meant to accentuate their defense but he still puts up solid numbers and makes clutch throws and comes back from making mistakes. Romo disappears after he fumbles of throws a pick.

Eli is a quarterback that is progressing, and reaching the stage of greatness ( Montana, Elway, Mr. Clutch –Unitas). He has developed the confidence to lead his team from behind, and makes his receivers good, that what made Montana and Elway so great. Super Eli was better last year then when he won his first Super Bowl, and will better in 2012. He plays in the media capital of the world, and has been hammer during his time in New York. He has become stronger, and more focus.

Tony is good, and will never be great (Jim Kelly, Fran Tankerton, etc.). He does not have the killer instants to finish games that are pressure cookers. There are two kinds of players, No pressure performers – regular reasons stars, and pressure performers- playoff stars. Tony plays for America team, and the negativism he has received, (I feel) has made him weak in the mind. Every year the pressure will mount when he does not lead his team to the playoffs. We will see if he can deliver, and become a playoff star.

Manning see the gain;
Romo see the pain.

lawlessmkvii says:Jul 6, 2012 1:24 AM

Toomer’s opinion carries the same weight as an NFL WR that would walk into the “club” with a gun stuffed into the waisband of his sweatpants.

Romo is hit or miss (he’s actually had some very good comeback wins, like down 14 against SF… one of the top 5 defenses in the NFL). Eli Manning is hit or miss in the regular season, but has been fairly money in the post season.

So, I read this article and had to laugh because this Guy is making sad statements. NEWSFLASH AMANI TOOMER ELI IS BETTER!! HE IS MORE CLUTCH THAN ROMO that means does not choke, more accurate, consistent and smarter. Doesn’t force passes.

Wow, here come the Romo haters, lol… look at the numbers people. Over the last 3 years Romo has a 99.14 QB rating to Eli’s 90.45. Romo has a better Completion % of 65.45 to 62.00 of Eli. Romo’s TD to INT % is 2.62% to Eli’s 1.58% (that means Romo throws more TDs than picks than Eli for you number challenged individuals). Romo has only thrown 26 picks to Eli’s 55. What does all that mean?

STATISTICALLY, Romo is a better QB. Does he make bad plays? Yes. I think he gets blamed for more 4th quarter losses than he deserves. 6 times Dallas lost last year with the lead in the 4th quarter. That’s not on the offense, that means you don’t have the defense to hold their own. Everyone has their own opinion though. I just base mine off of facts. The hate begins…

starfan79 says:Jul 6, 2012 6:12 AM

Eli has had a run game and a defense where the cowboys have not. Not the overhaul on D and I’m hoping this new O-Line help. If so Murray should have a breakout season making Romo have a good year, ie.. Playoff wins

sixteenbeatsaone says:Jul 6, 2012 6:40 AM

Really Amani? You are only afforded a satellite hosting job due to your football career numbers — due to Eli. Also, Amani, I would rather have the career highlight being the SuperBowl throw to David Tyree, not the botched XP against the Seahawks.

nashwaakkidd says:Jul 6, 2012 6:46 AM

‘boys probs start right at the top with Jerrah the “GM” and “timeout” Garrett. Romo has put up some numbers, but he coughs it up at the worst possible times, they’ll never win SB with him as starting QB

Romo does not have heart. If Romo was the Back for the Giants when they played the 18-0 Pats and Steve Smith tips the ball to Asante that would have been the beginning of the end as Romo would have been trying to force passes in. Romo would have went done when Bruschi and Adalius Thomas had his Jersey and pulling him. Romo would have tried to throw it to Nicks and Cruz Even though Belichik had his Safeties watching them and leaving Manningham on 1-1 situations. U heard T.O. say Romo will force the ball to “his boy Witten” even though T.O. was wide open down the field. I’m sorry but 31-10 Versus below 500 teams just dnt measure up to SB MVP’s

People need to get off of Eli’s back. He doesn’t just have two SB rings, he was also the MVP in both of those SBs…. Not Tuck, and not Strahan… He led his team to this last SB by beating the Cowboys, Falcons, Packers and 49ers in succession just for the opportunity to face Brady and the Patriots…

I think Romo’s a good quarterback for the most part, but in the end it’s about accomplishment.

I’m getting a little tired of hearing the Dilfer / Marino argument. Yeah Dilfer has a ring and Marino doesn’t. I get the irony, but are we really trying to compare Romo to Marino??? I don’t think so.

Besides, at least Marino PLAYED in a Super Bowl… True, it’s not JUST about having a ring, but when you only have one playoff win and you’re halfway through your career then your career has not been a success.

You mean the run game ranked dead last in just about every category last season? THAT run game? Oh and lets not forget that 29th ranked defensive powerhouse. As for who throws how many INT’s, let me know when Romo puts the ball in the air as much as Eli does in a game. Eli threw the ball 67 more times than Romo, and has 6 more INT’s.

The Giants are no longer a smashmouth, clock-killing offense, and they haven’t been for quite some time. More throws are going to increase the probability of more INT’s.

Believe me, no one in their right mind is taking Romo over Manning other than Dallas “fans”(and I use the term loosely) and the Fantasy Football clowns who live and die by stats.

eightysixisback says:Jul 6, 2012 8:32 AM

01wmarsh says:
Jul 5, 2012 7:51 PM
1) Romo’s career passer rating of 96.9 is the second-highest in the history of the NFL. Passer rating is far from a perfect measure of quarterback performance, but it says something that Romo ranks ahead of Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and Drew Brees.

Yeah what it says is that passer rating is not a good measure of who is the better QB because would anyone out there take Romo over any of those three? Romo isn’t even close to any of those three and he isn’t close to Eli either. When it counts Eli steps up and makes the plays. Romo . . . not so much.

If ppl believe that the Giants Defense won the superbowl then they dnt know wat winning is. Twice Eli Had to score TD’s on Giants final Possession. If the Defense was Lights out then there would be NO lead changes. Eli should Cruz to Victory. I mean the defense has a job to do and that is protect the Lead. both times they didnt and Eli had to go Bail them out. How come Romo cant do that?

This whole thing is dumb! Romo may have a lil better stats but Eli’s playoff stats are far superior and his last season regular season had amazing numbers. I want championships!!!!!! ELI 2 Romo 0… nuff said.

Romo does not have heart. If Romo was the Back for the Giants when they played the 18-0 Pats and Steve Smith tips the ball to Asante that would have been the beginning of the end as Romo would have been trying to force passes in. Romo would have went done when Bruschi and Adalius Thomas had his Jersey and pulling him. Romo would have tried to throw it to Nicks and Cruz Even though Belichik had his Safeties watching them and leaving Manningham on 1-1 situations. U heard T.O. say Romo will force the ball to “his boy Witten” even though T.O. was wide open down the field. I’m sorry but 31-10 Versus below 500 teams just dnt measure up to SB MVP’s

No heart? Yeah, the same guy that played with a fractured rib and punctured lung and wore a kevlar vest and still played better than Eli this year.

No heart? The guy that was going back into the game against “your Giants” with a broken collar bone in 2010.

No heart? The guy that played agains the “Giants in the last game of the season with a black and blue balloon like swollen throwing hand and still manages a 106 passer rating. Yeah, no heart…..

Romo does show times of brilliance, but then when under pressure, too often blows up. On the other hand, Eli, while sometimes making those “Eli, what the heck are you doingL” plays, performs well under pressure. NFC Championship game has your money riding on it, who do you want as your QB? And stats and rings aren’t everything, but “YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!!!” Your goal @ the beginning of the year is to be the Super Bowl Champs, and Eli has done that twice!

You Romo fans are something else, how can you say rings don’t mean a thing? What do you think every starting QB goal is throughout their career? They want a superbowl ring, Romo would tell you that he wants a ring. Can’t get that with only one playoff win in his career, tebow has the same amount. In fact I rather have tebow as my QB in the forth quarter than Romo because he chokes when it comes to closing out a game. How can you say that Romo would have more rings if he was a giant? The cowboys had much better receivers and RBs than eli, their o line is better, how many times did eli had to get out of a sack or been sacked. Put eli on the cowboys and he’ll have more than the two rings he has now because like his brother, he turns no namers into stars.

Statistics-wise, I guess, Romo is, hands down, a better QB than Eli. But before someone discounts Eli’s accomplishments, oh wait, haters already jumped on that, allow me to remind you all (as someone up top said it!).

Yes, American Football is the ultimate team game. But how many times, even when the Giants won the SB (both times), have the prognosticators, analysts, and of course, lest we forget, dia hard Cowboys fans, claimed that their team, on paper and on the field, were a far superior team than both those Giants team, even before a game was played, when the games were being played, and when the season ended? Please someone answer that question.

Like it or not, Romo would not have won if he was under center in those SB winning Giants team.

Let me remind you all haters again, you can’t claim that Eli and the Giants got lucky and won two SB and then also say that they had a kinda, sorta better team than the Cowboys and that is why they won it all. Pick one Eli hating comment and stick with it.

Look, you can throw all the statistics you want, but both you and I know, fact of the matter is, you can’t talk about Romo without mentioning his numbers and stats and them being better than Eli, and not also say anything about his one playoff win and lack of SB ring. But talk about Eli, and maybe his pedestrian numbers, but you can’t forget about his playoff and championship wins.

When it comes down to it, when the game is on the line, I would chose Eli over Romo, anyday, anytime. Eli has proven his clutch, Romo has been nothing but cluts!!!

Eli Manning may be the most clutch player in NFL history. Time after time, he delivers in the 4th – I’ve never really believed in the concept of ‘clutch’, but if there’s one person to disprove that belief, it’s Eli Manning.

That being said, Amani Toomer is correct that Tony Romo is the better QB. The Cowboys are one of the most dysfunctional teams in the NFL…they constantly find ways to blow games, in all types of ways.
Contrast that to the Giants, who have one of the most physical and performing defense in the league. They also have always had a tremendous running game and offenisve line. The NFL is the biggest team-game, and you cannot discount what a team does for you.
Would Eli Manning be in any of those clutch situations, if his defense wouldn’t keep the game close?

At the end of the day, there’s no question that Eli Manning is the man in the 4th, and Romo, at least at the surface, seems to blow games when under pressure.
To win a Superbowl, you would need a very good, all around team, no matter who your QB is. And if my team had a great running game, and one of the best defenses in the league, I’m taking Eli Manning b/c he has the confidence to deliver the goods.

As a Packers fan, it’s a no brainer. Having to face the Giants and Eli Manning in the playoffs scares me. Facing the Cowboys and Tony Romo, not so much.

Romo may have the stats, but Manning is one of the most clutch quarterbacks ever. I can attest to that (2007 and 2011.)

kev86 says:Jul 6, 2012 7:45 PM

Giants have gotten a lot of compliments at the expense of Eli bashing. Nice! Repeat!!! In Eli We Trust! Go Blue!!!

bobzilla1001 says:Jul 6, 2012 7:50 PM

All this quarterback talk is enough to make my head explode.
If the Steelers could win two Super Bowls with Ben Roethlisberger as their quarterback, I’m pretty sure the Cowboys could win at least one with Romo; that the Ravens could win at least one with Flacco; and that the 49ers could win at least one with Smith.
Football is a TEAM sport. Football is the ultimate TEAM sport.
It has been said that the NFL is a “quarterback-driven league.” If that’s true, why aren’t the league’s “elite” quarterbacks (Brady, P. Manning, Brees, and Rodgers) winning Super Bowls every season?
Tom Brady is the perfect example. Back when the Patriots actually won Super Bowls, they did so with a strong defense and an accurate placekicker. The better Brady has gotten, the less the Super Bowls his teams have won.
Even when the Colts won their Super Bowl, Peyton Manning didn’t play particularly well in the postseason. The Colts defense carried the team, especially in the Super Bowl by forcing five Bears turnovers.
Until quarterbacks play offense, defense and special teams, they should not be regarded as being bigger than their respective teams.

To all the Eli haters, you’re absolutely correct, Romo clearly has better stats. But to say Eli only won because of defense? You’re wrong, as important as it was for the DLine to stifle offenses (which they didn’t do all too often) Tuck, Osi nor JPP threw the ball into Manninghams hands… Strahan didn’t dodge a sack in 07 to even attempt that miracle play. Eli did. Plain and simple. And to say he had the better all around team? The top 3 receivers on the giants didn’t make as much combined as Austin or Witten. He worked with a patchwork crew and made due, would Romo be able to do that? A QB isn’t just stats, he is the leader of the offense, and by the looks of things one has led his team a lot further than the other.

The best part of this argument is that the better QB, you know, leader of the team, doesn’t even care. He’s working on his game, with all his no name receivers, not his golf game. Statistics are for losers, winners count wins. And MVP trophies, and Super Bowl wins.

capncomeback says:Jul 7, 2012 12:38 PM

The problem is, people let their bias for their team and the media perception affect their own opinions. Better QB? I’d say they’re both very good QBs. Romo is a better athlete but Manning has shown he’s not too shabby, either. The perception Romo is a choke artist is just wrong, though. Sure, he dropped the snap against Seattle but if he hadn’t led them the length of the field to get into FG position with time running out, they wouldn’t have had the FG opportunity anyway. Romo has led Dallas down the field many times toward the end of games and had his receiver drop a sure TD (Crayton, TO) or his kicker miss the FG (too many names to list here). Also, Romo has given his team the lead again and again just to watch his D play Prevent and prevent the Cowboys from winning. Manning has had the opposite. The Giants win and lose as a TEAM, unlike Dallas. Things may be changing, though. Garrett, although young and still learning on the job, is bringing in better players on both sides of the ball. If Romo’s OL finally keeps him from getting killed each game, Dallas could be adding to their 5 SB titles and 8 SB appearances.

Romo IS the better QB. If he had Mannings’ defense, he’d have 3 rings by now. Eli’s dad was a great QB, but had lousy support. No way he makes it into the HOF. It’s all about TEAM, & Romo has had the misfortune of not having the O-line & pass rush that Eli has had.