The sort of people who do online polls, I would imagine, are largely teenagers and early twenties types. The averagedemographic who buys consoles are early to mid thirties. I wouldn't read too much into this regarding eventual sales.

As long as there are 2 strong competitive companies forcing each other to create better and better products and not high profit margin, I don't care who wins. But for the sake of gamers everywhere we need Sony to grab huge marketshare this generation, Nintendo can't they are lost in the clouds.

I think actual orders would be more useful. I know for a fact that many have preordered both consoles, just so they can get theirs in queue for launch day. With the full intention of cancelling one of them.

I'm having a hell of a time finding any polls from back in 2007/2008 that were Xbox 360 vs PS3.

Basically, the start of current gen showed poll results favoring the PS3, but we all know how this gen has 'ended'.

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It "ended" with Ps3 selling more consoles even tho it came out one year later and with one of the worst launch in the history of gaming because of the 600$ price tag.

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Everybody seems so dismissive of these two facts, especially as predictors of the next-gen.

The 360 has been selling for a year longer, it had a year head start to build up a gaming library, and it cost $200 less than the PS3. If you gave the PS3 a year with no 360 on the market, though...the sales difference between the two right now, good grief. So the Xbox hasn't been able to really capitalize on those advantages.

point is, this time both consoles are launching basically simultaneously, the PS4 is the one at the attractive price point, and Sony is riding a wave of positive momentum after E3 while MS looks weak trying to reverse unpopular policies.

I don't really expect sales to be close this time. I could be wrong. We'll see.

What do I get if I win? Oh yeah nothing, so why would I vote for either or care which console sells more? Sometimes I think some gamers are more into the winning and losing aspect of console wars then the actual games themselves. We have sports for things like that.
I wish more gamers would just buy what they want and then STFU about it.

"Yeah Sony fans are pretty much like Apple fans, pretty much brainwashed,very defensive and very vocal"

That's a really dumb statement. I'm 'brainwashed' into liking my iPhone and MacBook Air? I like them because they're the best phone/laptop I've used. (Coming from someone who has used Blackberry/Android previously along with 3 different Windows PC's in the past decade)

"Yeah Sony fans are pretty much like Apple fans, pretty much brainwashed,very defensive and very vocal"

That's a really dumb statement. I'm 'brainwashed' into liking my iPhone and MacBook Air? I like them because they're the best phone/laptop I've used. (Coming from someone who has used Blackberry/Android previously along with 3 different Windows PC's in the past decade)

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I think he was referring to the evangelistic side, of things. Everyone who owns the products they own because they think they are good. Certain brands seem to attract people who feel the need to campaign on their behalf, constantly trying to force everyone to agree they are the greatest, mass voting on polls on every device they own and attacking competitors.

"Yeah Sony fans are pretty much like Apple fans, pretty much brainwashed,very defensive and very vocal"

That's a really dumb statement. I'm 'brainwashed' into liking my iPhone and MacBook Air? I like them because they're the best phone/laptop I've used. (Coming from someone who has used Blackberry/Android previously along with 3 different Windows PC's in the past decade)

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I think he was referring to the evangelistic side, of things. Everyone who owns the products they own because they think they are good. Certain brands seem to attract people who feel the need to campaign on their behalf, constantly trying to force everyone to agree they are the greatest, mass voting on polls on every device they own and attacking competitors.

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Yep, Sony and Apple fans are very very aggressive and outspoken and get offended very easily when people hold different opinions, they personally identify WAY to deeply with these companies and act as company warriors on forums and the internet in general.

Microsoft may have dug them a hold the won't be able to climb out of, at least they won't be able to climb out of it before launch this year, it may take them years to climb out this hole. People like to say poles don't mean much, but when their is this much of a gap, theirs definitely something to it.

Here the CEO of Razer says he does not make PS3 controllers cause he doesn;t use the PS3 and is not interested in it. Razer is a private company and he is the CEO and creator of the company, and yet just the idea of him not making things for the PS3 literally offends Sony fanboys and cause them to go in a hissy fit. Razer is under no obligation to make anything for Sony's console and the people at Neogaf (Sonygaf) don't seem to understand how opinions work or why someone might not view Sony the same way they do. It is pretty ridiculous how loud, arrogant and stupid and easily offended Sony Fanboys tend to be.

"Yeah Sony fans are pretty much like Apple fans, pretty much brainwashed,very defensive and very vocal"

That's a really dumb statement. I'm 'brainwashed' into liking my iPhone and MacBook Air? I like them because they're the best phone/laptop I've used. (Coming from someone who has used Blackberry/Android previously along with 3 different Windows PC's in the past decade)

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I think he was referring to the evangelistic side, of things. Everyone who owns the products they own because they think they are good. Certain brands seem to attract people who feel the need to campaign on their behalf, constantly trying to force everyone to agree they are the greatest, mass voting on polls on every device they own and attacking competitors.

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Yep, Sony, Microsoft and Apple fans are very very aggressive and outspoken and get offended very easily when people hold different opinions, they personally identify WAY to deeply with these companies and act as company warriors on forums and the internet in general.

I think he was referring to the evangelistic side, of things. Everyone who owns the products they own because they think they are good. Certain brands seem to attract people who feel the need to campaign on their behalf, constantly trying to force everyone to agree they are the greatest, mass voting on polls on every device they own and attacking competitors.

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Yep, Sony, Microsoft and Apple fans are very very aggressive and outspoken and get offended very easily when people hold different opinions, they personally identify WAY to deeply with these companies and act as company warriors on forums and the internet in general.

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Nope, MS fans are not nearly as aggressive, obtuse, loud mouthed and easily offended as Apple or Sony fans. Sorry they just aren't You see WAY WAY more Apple and Sony fans acting up in pretty much any tech forum on the internet in comparison. I also don;t see alot of Samsung fans flipping their crap over stupid things that Sony or Apple fans flip out over.

Yep, Sony, Microsoft and Apple fans are very very aggressive and outspoken and get offended very easily when people hold different opinions, they personally identify WAY to deeply with these companies and act as company warriors on forums and the internet in general.

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Nope, MS fans are not nearly as aggressive, obtuse, loud mouthed and easily offended as Apple or Sony fans. Sorry they just aren't You see WAY WAY more Apple and Sony fans acting up in pretty much any tech forum on the internet in comparison. I also don;t see alot of Samsung fans flipping their crap over stupid things that Sony or Apple fans flip out over.

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Not from what I've seen in the IGN comment sections. Fanboys are all equally retarded no matter what device they defend.

Yep, Sony, Microsoft and Apple fans are very very aggressive and outspoken and get offended very easily when people hold different opinions, they personally identify WAY to deeply with these companies and act as company warriors on forums and the internet in general.

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Nope, MS fans are not nearly as aggressive, obtuse, loud mouthed and easily offended as Apple or Sony fans. Sorry they just aren't You see WAY WAY more Apple and Sony fans acting up in pretty much any tech forum on the internet in comparison. I also don;t see alot of Samsung fans flipping their crap over stupid things that Sony or Apple fans flip out over.

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Every single person I play PS3 with has an Android. Every XBOX fan I know has an iPhone. The guys I was playing Battlefield with the other night actually brought this up. For some reason, the iPhone sheep play XBOX, and Android users play PS3. That is what it seems like anyway.

Anyway, this is a stupid argument. PS3 has outsold the 360, and the 360 had a year head start. PS3 overtook XBOX because of the better exclusives. Hell, I know multiple people that traded in their XBOX to get a PS3 just to play The Last of Us. This time around, Sony isn't screwing themselves over at launch. I don't think it will be close this time. We will see the PS2 days of domination once again.

Who the hell votes in these polls, no one I know votes in them. Polls are a joke either way.

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if xbox was winning this little girl would be cummming in her pants. oh yes xbox 1 is the greatest. sorry ms totally fuucked up. only a pathetic xbox loser would decry reality

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Pretty much a perfect example of what I'm talking about, the idea that a person would invest so much emotionally that they would lash out like this to others is ridiculous. We have things like sports for people who need to root for something and jeer fans of other sports teams. The console is a piece of plastic, the company wants to take your money any way it can, if you are so emotionally invested in a company and a piece of plastic that you act like this you have mental problems.

I honestly think to some people the fanboy warrior schtick is more important to them then the actual games.

I'm having a hell of a time finding any polls from back in 2007/2008 that were Xbox 360 vs PS3.

Basically, the start of current gen showed poll results favoring the PS3, but we all know how this gen has 'ended'.

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It "ended" with Ps3 selling more consoles even tho it came out one year later and with one of the worst launch in the history of gaming because of the 600$ price tag.

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You forget that only English-speaking territories count because it's convenient for the arguments of Xbox drones.

I actually had someone arguing with me that Japan didn't count because the numbers were too far in Sony's favor so it was unfair to Microsoft to include them.

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No one here is saying all territories don't "count" whatever that even means.

The point I was making was clear - during a period of time that the 360 was dominating sales in English speaking territories - websites in English speaking territories were having polls that favored the PS3 - in other words polls are an indicator of nothing beyond which set of console fans are more likely to vote in polls.

I think Sonyfanboys should be careful what they wish for. The only reason this past generation lasted so long is because MS and Sony were pretty evenly matched in terms of sales. If hypothetically the PS4 crushes the Xbox One in sales next generation than do not expect this generation to last very long. 4 years max before MS is rolling out a new console.

First of all, if you combine those 'english speaking countries', the U.S(313 million). and the U.K.(63 million), you end up with 376 million people (according to statistics taken last year). And I haven't even included Canada (34 million).
Those 376 million 'english speaking' people are more than, Germany, Australia, Poland, Switzerland, Japan, New Zealand, Sweden, Spain, Denmark, Finland, and Czech Republic COMBINED. Think about that the next time you think that the U.S. market doesn't matter.

And if you've paid any attention to Global product sales and trends over the past 3 decades you see that nearly the entire world will follow whatever trends are started in the U.S. If you first own the U.S. market, you now have a huge advantage over your competition.

Further, my point was almost every poll back in the 2006 - 2008 timeframe was in favor of the PS3. Yet, it took the PS3 7 years to finally catch-up and pass the Xbox 360 in sales numbers. SEVEN YEARS. However, is that even true? Back in early 2012 Sony began combining their PS2 sales numbers when they reported their PS3 sales numbers, so there's no way of getting an accurate total sales number for the PS3. (Don't believe me? Read it direct from the source: http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/12q3_sonypre.pdf )

Of course, it's not like Sony PS3 sales numbers are dominating right now, they only show numbers ahead by a few tens of thousands, maybe a couple hundred thousand overall - which is something like 0.2% of an advantage.

Basically, poll results don't mean shit. Every ounce of proof needed to back up that statement is plastered all over the internet during the past 10+ years. You have poll results showing PS3 is more popular, and then you have ACTUAL sales results that show the opposite.

Anybody who says the poll results do matter is lying to you, and they will have no way to back up their claim.

I think Sonyfanboys should be careful what they wish for. The only reason this past generation lasted so long is because MS and Sony were pretty evenly matched in terms of sales. If hypothetically the PS4 crushes the Xbox One in sales next generation than do not expect this generation to last very long. 4 years max before MS is rolling out a new console.

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Their are alot of Sony Fanboys who want a one console game industry, I saw it all the way back in the Dreamcast days. Just spend some time on neogaf and you will see the hivemind mentality, neogaf is supposed to be the largest neutral industry game forum but if you so much as show an ounce of favortisim to anyone but Sony their you will get blasted by hoards of Sony fanboys like their is no tomorrow.

I think it is an age thing to be honest. Younger gamers first game experience was with Sony and they treat anyone that disses Sony or favors someone else as personally dissing their childhood. Sony is their warm security blanket that they have overly emotional attachments to. I've been around since pong in 1977 and have seen alot of companies come and go from gaming it is silly and counter productive to be so invested in a Company that you block out experiences from other companies or personally insult others like Sony fanboys do because they don't worship the same piece of plastic.