Yes, a PLE is offically for grass-roots veteran Legionism; an umbrella or common front facilitating a certain amount of third way synthesis.

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No, someone needs to convert them before they enter the open streets of a PLE, and before they participate on Stormfront.

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No, we can go from the closet to power without coming together to form a new and conscious model of the White community (i.e. PLE, i.e. American Volksgemeinschaft, i.e. partly-invisible community).

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No, because anyone who criticizes Hitler in any way is an idiot. And yes, Hitler did indeed raise up a new model of the White community in Munich, a Volksgemeinschaft, and did that throughout Germany - but to me NS isn't about creating a new model of the White community from such a synthesis (i.e. national plus social or as PLE does). NS is about loving Adolf Hitler with your whole heart and soul. Sieg Heil!

Just as White nationalism on Stormfront is comprised of all proWhite views, be they pro or anti Hitler, or pro or anti National Socialism, the PLEs (Pioneer Little Europes are proposed Stormfronts of the street) are constructed the exact same way. If someone wants to further unite us, they will be free to try.

Of course, there will be many people here who don't want the support of one side or the other - whether it's their sweat, intelligence, blood, or donations - but all those will remain just as free to set up a pitch or forum for themselves within the target area anyway.

Having a PLE does not mean we all have to agree on anything except helping the White race, so if any pro or anti Hitler/NS people don't want to communicate, they are free to handle it that way.

Most of us already live in places where we don't speak to neighbors, so it should be no big deal. On the other hand, we know that some people will exchange their views with others no matter what they are. Christians and Odinists will chat, Republicans and Fascists will chat, freedom lovers and totalitarians will chat, haters and lovers will chat, cultists and pragmatists will chat, men and a fresh wave of women will chat, free enterprise shop keepers and socialists will chat, negotiators and the purely militant will chat, young and old will chat. And the pro and anti National Socialists among the proWhite forces will chat. And whenever inclined, they will help each other in all kinds of ways.

And in the competition of engaging solutions in the real world, instead of being in the closet, a community culture may form that exhibits what are distinctly popular or majority held views about Hitler, National Socialism, the Jews, and everything under the sun.

This won't quite be the old way of holding beliefs in isolation, or holding beliefs that are never tested, or holding views that aren't shared, or holding views that are unengaged, or holding views that aren't listened to, or holding views that have little or nothing to do with what happens around us.

There will also be White Nationalists with political minority views, the "loyal opposition," and they'll be just as welcome. They may even win the majority.

Whatever happens, Hitler and National Socialism and everything else under the sun, will look a little different from this new place called a Pioneer Little Europe. But again, despite the fact that a PLE allows a great coming together, mutural influencing, and a gradual coordination, it must remain a place for the nonconformist too: See why here: https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t472733/
or here: https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t752091/

I would say it is definitely okay, because our reason for coming together are not necessarily for political reasons, but for Fraternal reasons-because we are kindred, who wish to live among our own kind. The very fact that we would be moving together in a P.L.E., is National Socialism in Action. It is literally people of one race(nation) moving together to work for the benefit of all those who live in the P.L.E.; whether you agree with Hitler, or not - The P.L.E. is one of the truest forms of National Socialism in action.

Re: Is It OK To Accept the Help of WNs Who Are Highly Critical of Hitler?

I believe Hn. Hitler to be one of the, if not THE, political genius of the Twentieth Century.

That said, the man has been dead for over 60 years, and time has marched on.

Personally, I incorporate many of his teachings and beliefs into my life, but I don't feel that NS has a chance to gain a foothold in more than a small segment of our population. We need to find and mold a system that works for us, not be hung-up on electing Gauleiters to keep things pure.

My opinion is that we run the risk of creating a cult around him that will quickly be marginalized and cut-off from White society.

Re: Is It OK To Accept the Help of WNs Who Are Highly Critical of Hitler?

Of course it is ! Why would any pro-white person believe that Hitler was a good person? Hitler started the second world war by illegally invading France, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Belgium, Russia and quite a few other countries. Some of these countries were invaded even before the allies declared war against him. Millions of innocent white European Christians died needlessly because of his actions, just like hundreds of thousand of innocent civilians died in Dresden and other cities within Germany as a result of allied bombing. All worthless waste of good European people. The war was bad and inhumane and can be laid directly at the Fuhrers feet for him to take full responsibility. Hitler had the ambition to conquer Europe and maybe even the world.
Now it is true, that the Treaty of Versailles, created by the victors of WW1, was unfair and hit Germany in such a harsh way that the conditions were made ripe for the rise of someone such as Heir Hitler. That may be true, but that doesn't excuse Hitlers scams and illegal seizure of power from the German government and his antics using the Reichstag and suspension of German citizens rights. Hitlers genocide and blatant disregard for leveling European cities with white people still in them shows a crazy person that was anti-white and definatley not pro-white.

Re: Is It OK To Accept the Help of WNs Who Are Highly Critical of Hitler?

I do not believe Hitler was the end all be all. I'm much more a fan of Gaius Marius or Gaius Gracchus.

Hitler was a man, albeit a bit more observant than most. He saw his nation ruined by external influences, and held hostage by a Jewish banking cartel. He fought against those influences, lest his country disappear into the dustbin of history. He made mistakes, big mistakes. Some of his closes "friends" were corrupt and degenerates abusing their relationship to further their own ends regardless of the consequences. Toward the end, he was a 1940s version of Anna Nicole or Britney Spears. Held hostage by drugs given to him by corrupt and/or incompetent doctors,staff, and handlers.

Would I have liked to live in 1930s Germany. Yes.
Would I have liked to live in post war German of a victorious Hitler, no. He was too much controlled by the corrupt and power mad and the nation created (assuming some great invention turned the tide of battle) would have been more like North Korea -- a brutal dictatorship of hypocrisy.

It is unfair the way history has painted Adolf Hitler. His name is now synonymous with evil, so much so the name Adolf is a banned in MMOs as a character name. He wasn't the monster history's made him out to be, there are others of Nazi Germany who should take that blame. He was a man, a man striving to rebuild his nation, his people, nothing more, and nothing less.

"Pondering the smoking ruins of American racial policy, I wonder whether it isn’t time to say publicly what many, if not most, of both races know: It isn’t working. It isn’t going to work. If it were, it would have. If it were working, we would not need the unending laws to force the races together when they don’t want to be together. If people wanted diversity, it would happen without compulsion." - Fred Reed, January 2, 2014

"Those who rewrite history attempt to hide own disgrace." - Vladimir Putin, January 28th, 2015

Re: Is It OK To Accept the Help of WNs Who Are Highly Critical of Hitler?

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Originally Posted by wilburhog

Of course it is ! Why would any pro-white person believe that Hitler was a good person? Hitler started the second world war by illegally invading France, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Belgium, Russia and quite a few other countries. Some of these countries were invaded even before the allies declared war against him. Millions of innocent white European Christians died needlessly because of his actions, just like hundreds of thousand of innocent civilians died in Dresden and other cities within Germany as a result of allied bombing. All worthless waste of good European people. The war was bad and inhumane and can be laid directly at the Fuhrers feet for him to take full responsibility. Hitler had the ambition to conquer Europe and maybe even the world.
Now it is true, that the Treaty of Versailles, created by the victors of WW1, was unfair and hit Germany in such a harsh way that the conditions were made ripe for the rise of someone such as Heir Hitler. That may be true, but that doesn't excuse Hitlers scams and illegal seizure of power from the German government and his antics using the Reichstag and suspension of German citizens rights. Hitlers genocide and blatant disregard for leveling European cities with white people still in them shows a crazy person that was anti-white and definatley not pro-white.

One of two things...you are either woefully miseducated, or you are an anti.

Re: Is It OK To Accept the Help of WNs Who Are Highly Critical of Hitler?

As long as a person's skin is White & they believe in what the 14 words stand for they can say & think what they like about Hitler, it's no skin off my nose.

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