Pope Francis wants the Franciscans of the Immaculate to accept Vatican Council II with the IRRATIONAL RED column. So Vatican Council emerges as a break with Tradition. In conscience the Franciscans of the Immaculate will not accept this irrationality, this lie.

The Franciscans can accept Vatican Council II using the interpretation with the YELLOW column. This would not be a rejection of the Council.They would also be affirming Tradition and not rejecting Vatican Council II.

However then the Vatican cardinals and bishops will reject Vatican Council II. There would be no rational text or interpretation in Vatican Council II to support their new doctrines.Sincethere is no new Revelation in the Church there would be no basis for a theology of religions, new ecclesiology, development of doctrine etc now attributed to Vatican Council II (interpreted with the RED column).

With the YELLOW COLUMN Vatican Council II is in harmony with St. Robert Bellarmine, St. Francis Xavier and St. Francis of Assisi on extra ecclesiam nulla salus.It is also in agreement with the Nicene and Athanasius Creed.

With the RED column Vatican Council II contradicts itself. Ad Gentes 7 says all need faith and baptism for salvation.Lumen Gentium 16 says those in invincible ignorance can be saved implying there are known exceptions to Ad Gentes 7. The same confusion would be there in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Dominus Iesus, Redemptoris Missio etc.

The hermeneutic of continuity or rupture depends on the hermeneutic with the YELLOW or RED column.

During the Vatican-SSPX talks, initiated by Pope Benedict XVI, both sides were using the RED column.

The Franciscans of the Immaculate priests and religious sisters still interpret Pope Pius XII and the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 using the RED column.

They criticize Fr. Leonard Feeney since they assume there are known, explicit, visible, de facto, exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus. If they used the YELLOW column they would support Fr.Leonard Feeney. Vatican Council II would be traditional on other religions and Christian communities and churches.Religious communities would not reject the teachings of their founders on the subject of salvation.

What makes you a liberal or a traditionalist is not if you accept or reject Vatican Council II but if you are using the YELLOW orRED column in the interpretation of the Council or the Catechism.

All salvation referred to in Vatican Council II i.e saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16), imperfect communion with the Church (UR 3),seeds of the Word (AG 11), good and holy things in other religions (NA 2) etc are either:

implicit or explicit for us.

hypothetical or known in reality.

invisible or visible in the flesh.

dejure ( in principle) or defacto (in fact).

subjective or objective.

So one can choose from the YELLOW OR RED column above..

If the RED COLUMN is chosen then Vatican Council II contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors and Tradition in general on other religions and Christian communities and churches. There are known exceptions in 2014 to the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Cathlic Church. The dead- saved are visible.

If the YELLOW column is chosen then Vatican Council II does not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus, nor Tradition on other religions and Christian communities and churches.

Most people interpret Vatican Council II with the RED values.

So the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance was never ever an exception to the literal interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney, unless one is using the RED column.There were and are no known exceptions.-Lionel Andrades