I cannot understand why you people feel it necessary to insult. That hardly does anything to enhance your arguments. To enclose so many words in quotation marks also is not a sign of mastering the rules of punctuation.

In any event, while I reject the nonsense you write about occupation and forcing such things, I think you must not be paying attention to what you write or to what I wrote. That their children come home alive from school – sure! It is the Gazan terror groups who target Israeli civilians on their way home fro school, as you surely know.

The position of Israeli Arabs is far better than that of Arabs in ANY of the neighboring states. Not only in the jurisdiction of the PA. In fact, it is Lebanon that keeps these Arab refugees in camps, which I hope you do not think is a great humanitarian gesture.

Even when they are in jail they are permitted to earn university degrees.

You may have heard of Gilad Shalit, an Israeli in Hamas captivity. He is not permitted to earn a university degree by his terrorist captors.

He has not even been permitted a single visit by the Red Cross, in violation of all international laws.

]]>By: Tazhttp://dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/defining-israeli-zionist-racism-part-1/#comment-43979
Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:34:16 +0000http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/defining-israeli-zionist-racism-part-1/#comment-43979Laser, you may have failed to digest this even after forty years but let me break it down to you simply.

The reason why Arabs in “Israel” have a “far better life” than their “brothers in neighbouring areas, such as the Palestinian Authority (sic. formulation noted!)” is because there has been an OCCUPATION forced upon those “neighbouring areas” by the generosity of the state of “Israel”.

Far from aspiring for vibrancy in economic life, they only pray and hope for simple things like:

– Israel shouldn’t bomb them out of the blue and level entire cities on the pretext of chasing terrorists.
– That the myriad checkpoints which litter the West Bank and prevent them from even visiting relatives be removed.
– That their children come back alive from school.
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]]>By: Laserhttp://dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/defining-israeli-zionist-racism-part-1/#comment-43976
Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:26:27 +0000http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/defining-israeli-zionist-racism-part-1/#comment-43976The Arabs in Israel have a far better life than do their brothers in neighboring areas, such as the Palestinian Authority.

Their salaries are higher, their educational opportunities are greater, their personal freedom is more extensive, their medical care is on a much higher level.

You may recall the billions of dollars supplied to the Palestinian Authority, which could have used this money to improve the lot of their people. To build first-class hospitals, for example. To create employment opportunities. But instead they used the money to build villas for the PA chiefs and to stash away in Swiss bank accounts.

Any racism that exists, exists only in the minds of the Israel bashers.

Even the Arabs in Israeli jails — both Israeli citizens and foreign terrorists — enjoy free education, including studying in and getting degrees from the Open University.

It is no surprise that when they are able to express themselves freely, many Palestinians declare that they would prefer to remain as at present and not to live under a Palestinian regime.

“No,” says I, “I don’t. And I don’t care to, nuther. I’ve lived till now and done without it, and had my health, too. But as soon as you tell me, I’ll know, and that’s soon enough. I don’t see any use in finding out things and clogging up my head with them when I mayn’t ever have any occasion to use ‘em. There was Lance Williams, he learned how to talk Choctaw here till one come and dug his grave for him. Now, then, what’s a crusade? But I can tell you one thing before you begin; if it’s a patent-right, there’s no money in it. Bill Thompson he –”

“Patent-right!” says he. “I never see such an idiot. Why, a crusade is a kind of war.”

I thought he must be losing his mind. But no, he was in real earnest, and went right on, perfectly ca’m.

“A crusade is a war to recover the Holy Land from the paynim.”

“Which Holy Land?”

“Why, the Holy Land — there ain’t but one.”

“What do we want of it?”

“Why, can’t you understand? It’s in the hands of the paynim, and it’s our duty to take it away from them.”

“How did we come to let them git hold of it?”

“We didn’t come to let them git hold of it. They always had it.”

“Why, Tom, then it must belong to them, don’t it?”

“Why of course it does. Who said it didn’t?”

I studied over it, but couldn’t seem to git at the right of it, no way. I says:

“It’s too many for me, Tom Sawyer. If I had a farm and it was mine, and another person wanted it, would it be right for him to –”

“Oh, shucks! you don’t know enough to come in when it rains, Huck Finn. It ain’t a farm, it’s entirely different. You see, it’s like this. They own the land, just the mere land, and that’s all they DO own; but it was our folks, our Jews and Christians, that made it holy, and so they haven’t any business to be there defiling it. It’s a shame, and we ought not to stand it a minute. We ought to march against them and take it away from them.”

“Why, it does seem to me it’s the most mixed-up thing I ever see! Now, if I had a farm and another person –”

“Don’t I tell you it hasn’t got anything to do with farming? Farming is business, just common low-down business: that’s all it is, it’s all you can say for it; but this is higher, this is religious, and totally different.”

“Religious to go and take the land away from people that owns it?”

“Certainly; it’s always been considered so.”

]]>By: hphttp://dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/defining-israeli-zionist-racism-part-1/#comment-12131
Wed, 02 Jan 2008 22:04:22 +0000http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/defining-israeli-zionist-racism-part-1/#comment-12131Actally Jesus was and is #9. Don’t you know anything about the truth?
Jesus isn’t a body, He is a spirit soul. Not a Jew, not a Christian, not white, not black, not Chinese.
A spirit soul.
Just like you, Jaime.
]]>By: jaimehttp://dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/defining-israeli-zionist-racism-part-1/#comment-12120
Wed, 02 Jan 2008 16:48:37 +0000http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/defining-israeli-zionist-racism-part-1/#comment-12120And the answer is……

Jesus was Polish.

His Parents Wladislaw and Janowska Jakubowitz emigrated from Lublin in 1897, and relocated to Des Plaines Illinois, where Wladislaw found work in a shoe repair shop.

Des Plaines is the home of the first McDonald’s opened by Ray Kroc, which is preserved as a “museum” on Lee Street, north of downtown.

]]>By: ninjaDudehttp://dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/defining-israeli-zionist-racism-part-1/#comment-12117
Wed, 02 Jan 2008 16:13:52 +0000http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/defining-israeli-zionist-racism-part-1/#comment-12117First of all, I’d like to thank Jaime for his discourse. The best way to work through a problem is through debate. Jaime is the dissident voice on dissident voice. Of course, one could do better than resorting to insults and name calling, but you work with what you get.
I feel compelled to say that Jesus’ ethnicity has nothing to do with anything here.
Jaime tries to define the solution to the problem in “black and white” terms. If you do not accede to Israeli demands (ink), you must support Judeocide (blood). The reality on the ground, however is a veritable morass of inky blood. Since the majority of the blood in this mix has been shed by Israel for Israel’s benefit, any equitable solution is going to involve some loss on Israel’s part. That the Zionists will fight tooth and nail to avoid this loss means that there will be pain as well. Pain for both sides. Blood for both sides.
We cannot choose between ink and blood. The decision has already been made.
]]>By: Dissident Voice : Defining Israeli Zionist Racism: Part 4http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/defining-israeli-zionist-racism-part-1/#comment-12115
Wed, 02 Jan 2008 16:02:51 +0000http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/defining-israeli-zionist-racism-part-1/#comment-12115[…] also Parts 1, 2, & 3. “Racism on the rise in the Jewish state,” Israeli Insider. Available at […]
]]>By: Deadbeathttp://dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/defining-israeli-zionist-racism-part-1/#comment-12106
Wed, 02 Jan 2008 06:35:30 +0000http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/defining-israeli-zionist-racism-part-1/#comment-12106Last I looked Jesus is not oppressing and occupying Palestine.
]]>By: jaimehttp://dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/defining-israeli-zionist-racism-part-1/#comment-12085
Tue, 01 Jan 2008 18:10:04 +0000http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/defining-israeli-zionist-racism-part-1/#comment-12085“a big problem with the facts.”

Whew…nice speech! Happy new year to you too!

Well Mulga’s right about one thing anyway.

I’m a computer program from an inexhaustible sewer. No he’s not imagining it.

Meanwhile, and being as you all did SO well on the Blood or Ink test, let’s try multiple choice, and see who figures this one out.

]]>By: Mulga Mumblebrainhttp://dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/defining-israeli-zionist-racism-part-1/#comment-12071
Tue, 01 Jan 2008 03:49:29 +0000http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/defining-israeli-zionist-racism-part-1/#comment-12071The jaime phenomenon is instructive. While suspecting jaime might be a collective of judeofascist diehards, or a computer program replete with lies, furphies and general hasbara from that inexhaustible sewer, we have a responsibility to not shirk the battle. It is wearying to wade through the lies, distortions and non-sequiters ad nauseam, but we owe it to the Palestinians and, God knows, to the Israelis too. For as surely as night follows day Israel will dig its own grave if it refuses to compromise, as it has, unremittingly, since well before 1948. I’ve seen other blogs, The Guardian’s Comment is Free, for instance, overrun by Zionofascist die-hards, and the voices of reason swamped and eventually, apparently, discouraged. It takes perseverance to deal with deranged individuals, immune to facts or reason. It’s reminiscent of the situation of the ‘6os and ‘7os where, in this country at least, criticism of Israel’s lost love, apartheid South Africa was frowned upon, denounced as support for uncivilized ‘boongs’ and Communists and the media was 100% behind our fellow Whites, besieged, as they self-evidently were, by African primitives. Forums such as these are just about the last place criticism of Israel is allowed. In the mainstream media the Israeli position is taken without exception. Hamas are animals, Ahmadinejad wants to re-open Auschwitz, Israel is only interested in peace etc. If we allow the jaimes to pollute these blogs with their distaste for the historical record and their racist discourse where all Arabs, save compliant Quislings, usually ditched when no longer useful, like Abbas, are murderous monsters, and Israelis paragons of every virtue, then the truth will sink deeper into the mire. We are up against a fanatic mindset. jaime’s real milieu is Little Green Footballs or some Kahanist site, where the full glory of anti-Arab fundamentalism blooms. Not much fun there, ‘though. There everyone agrees Palestinian children are ‘suicide spawn’, and that Arabs are Amalekites and that Tehran must be nuked. Here jaime can indulge the Judeofascists’ pet fantasy of irredeemable, eternal goy hatred for the Jews. We are all, after all is said and done, merely pretending to be interested in the Palestinians. In truth, we just want to finish Hitler’s work, isn’t that so jaime? The hyper-paranoia of extreme racist, Rightwing Jews, sees the world as a dreadful, threatening place. How much is the understandable, but ruthlessly inculcated fear of another Judeocide, and how much fraudulent, utilising fear of genocide to cynically fashion an ideology of impunity for Israeli crimes, no matter how gross, only the Judeofascists could tell, and they’ve got a big problem with the facts.
]]>By: Hue Longerhttp://dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/defining-israeli-zionist-racism-part-1/#comment-12064
Tue, 01 Jan 2008 02:24:15 +0000http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/defining-israeli-zionist-racism-part-1/#comment-12064jaime: “submit to us or YOU are the ones voting for blood”. Fair?
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