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Thursday, February 21, 2013

Rumors of Chapo Dead in Peten

Rumors swirled around social networks and publications today, regarding the possible death of Chapo Guzman in Petén, Guatemala. My good sense says doubtful, but respected publications are reporting the unconfirmed death with that in mind I present this unconfirmed death report to you as written in Prensa Libre Petén.

GUATEMALA CITY - Interior Minister, Mauricio
Lopez Bonilla, told reporters that there are research units working petenera
area crime scene.

Lopez mentioned that an investigation will be done with photographs, documents, and later
in cooperation with biometric codices Mexican and U.S. agencies to
"identify fully" in the case of Guzman.

"We cannot say it is him, but it could be,",
referring to Guzman.

Official preliminary sources report that the confrontation occurred
in San Martin community, the municipality of San Francisco, in the central area
of ​​Petén. This community is located 70 km from Flores, the main town of the department
(state). .

In an interview with CNN in Spanish, the Secretary of
Communication of the Presidency, Francisco Cuevas, confirmed the clash between
two groups of drug traffickers who left between 2 and 3 victims, but did not
confirm that one of the victims is El Chapo Guzman .

He added that the Ministry of Interior instructed the security
forces to conduct a fingerprint identification of the victims.

Cuevas said the rumor that one of the dead is the Mexican
drug lord came from the residents
indicating they saw a person resembling the alleged Sinaloa drug cartel
leader as one of the dead.

Guatemalan government officials indicated that the evidence was
collected at the scene of the confrontation and then collated this information
with Mexico, the spokesman said.

The News Agency reported that Guatemalan authorities’
vehicles and weapons found at the scene of the confrontation.

Hours before they knew about this confrontation, Prensa
Libre published an article in which the Mexican newspaper Excelsior cable revealed
portal WikiLeaks leaked documents which mentioned that the Chapo Guzman took
refuge in Guatemala.

Note from Chivis:

The following is the information released including the Wikileaks cable regarding Chapo's possible presence in Guatemala. This was released days before today's rumored killing of Guzman:

An article published by Argentinian newspaper “El Comercial”
on February 19, 2013, says that a part of the activities of the Sinaloa Cartel
are organized from Argentina, referring to a Stratfor mail sent in 2008.

The mail is based on conversations between the Stratfor
employee and a source from the Mexican Foreign office.

The source explained to the Stratfor employee that the
Cartel was present in Argentina at this time, and organizing from there its
narco operations in Mexico. Argentinian authorities were aware of this
situation, and were establishing a cooperation with Mexican services in
order to put an end to “El Chapo”‘s activities.

“El Chapo” is Joaquín Archivaldo Guzmán Loera, the head of
the Sinaloa Cartel.

The article precises that “El Chapo” lived in Argentina in
2011 with his family, and probably organized a narco traffic business between
Mexico, Argentina and Europe. He escaped just before his capture order was
issued. Link Here

The
Sratfor analyst writes that:

“We
believe el Chapo is currently hiding out in Peten, Guatemala near the Mexican
border. Starting in about 2006, los Zetas and Sinaloa smashed the existing

Guatemalan cartels in the north and took over.
From 2004-2006 the Guatemalan
military was reduced from 25,000-15,000. This was part of the

peace
accords. A lot of these guys who lost
their positions in the military went into
police, a lot went into organized crime and a lot went to Mexico.From there

you
could see the influx of the cartels…”

Another article, published by Mexican newspaper
Excelsior on February 17, 2013, says that “El Chapo” could hide in Guatemala.
The article refers to another Stratfor mail, without precising the date, but
gives the mail ID 1119580. The email can be read here dated 2/24/10 (English) Link Here

The mail highlights also how power games work in Guatemala.
Both the mail and the Excelsior article mention “a lot of corruption involved”.

While it doesn’t look really surprising that the head of one
of the biggest Latin American Cartels moves and travels into the continent, the
question of his localization seems to be important for the Latin America
press.

The article explains also that, according to another mail,
there is no relation between the Cartels and international terrorist groups. Link Here

Another article, published in
Univision on February 21, 2013, speaks also of the possible presence of Joaquin
“El Chapo” Guzman in Guatemala, linking to the Excelsior article and the files
released by WikiLeaks: Link Here

UPDATE TO CHAPO KILLING STORY:

The Guatemalan government indicated at 23 hours on Thursday
that "there is no indication in Petén clash between drug
traffickers," despite hours before having confirmed such an incident,
after which rumors emerged that one of the deceased could be Joaquin Chapo
Guzman, whereupon forensic processes were underway to confirm the identityMALCOLM BEITH (author of The Last Narco) speaks of the possible capture and "what if"

9:19PMI tell you what when you devote your time to providing information you can do as you please. And no, if I feel it is important to give backstory info, and clarification then I will do so. No way I would put this up without a disclaimer. Ur so silly

You tell em buela this guy I bet you anything he would be the same one complaining when it turns out not to be true that u r putting things up as facts when they r not keep up the good work bb reporters peace LoKs

Youre a mexican who talks like hes black.. lmao.. youre a joke . You are Just some little kid who still lives with mommy.. no más corridos para ti niño. (No disrespect to any real black people, who read this site)..

I think this dude is from Texas, a lot of Mexicans in Houston and Dallas talk like Blacks. No disrespect to Blacks, but for the pochos you need to stick to your roots and not try to act like another race. In California you'd be shot or disowned for talking like a black dude. Keep it real homie, it's too late to be in a identity crisis whe you have the cactus on your forehead. Entendido?

DFL must not know that Satanás works for Chapo n His makers in a wheaton Ill. Mansion. Also His replacement(s) have been in power chillen in Argentina for years re-investing that endless cash. His death means what.........?

It is doubtful but possible, let´s not forget that when Ramon Arellano was killed he only had 2 bodyguards, when Lazca went down he was with three sicarios, when Arturo Beltran was killed he only had 4 or 5 men with him. Pablo Escobar only had "Limon" as a bodyguard when the search block found him.

Let´s hope it is Chapo´s body so MUCH of the blodsheed in Mexico ends. Chapo started all, chapo´s death should end some...

If you read the report written by Proceso (assuming you speak Spanish) Chivis did not add all that much here. Also if you don't appreciate the work of the journalists on this blog why continue to read? -Michael

A couple of months ago there were rumors that CDG boss Mario Ramirez Trevino " Pelon " was shot down in Reynosa . IApparently it was just some misinformation put out to throw off CDG rivals and the SEDENA . This story about El Chapo is probably the same false intel coming on the heels of the leaked Stratfor cable regarding his supposed whereabouts in that part of Guatemala . Anyone's guess as to his whereabouts are just as good as the next bloke's guess . .

That man has too much money i doubt if hes dead unless he pissed off the CIA.they r some dirty mfers they have a way of making u die from a heart attack and no one knows the difference. Z40 will never have the brains or the money that chapo has and i dont even like cartels but its just a fact u dont get to be almost 60 yrs old in that business and be stupid

I think its false. Why would he be on his eminies tufts. Guatemala was were he was capture in the past. I believed he may be south america chile or peru. Couple of years ago they said the same thing and they were wrong.

Chivis- Once again thanks for the info. Whether it was him or not, which sane people want, it was good to hear confirmation that it's believed he's been in Guatemala and Venezuela. It's a start, and I've heard for months that the S's and Z's have taken over Guatemala. But, I'd bet money he's living somewhere like Venezuela, where alot of the big Bolivian kingpins have lived openly for years. Granted, alot have been killed or captured but fhere are plenty of places to live there safety. Hopefully his demise will come soon. Thanks, Texas Grandma. Peace to the innocents. And, to the Chivas haters, go suck rocks, you imgrats.

Thanks for keeping up with the story, I think the reporting and translation is done well. I sure hate hearing after getting our hopes up, this stuff about not being able to confirm it, etc. I don't want to see people die but I do want to see Evil die.

They are backtracking some on the news; but remember too, they might have jumped the gun in declaring Chapo possibly dead, if he did die, it could have big ramifications (obviously) in the drug wars.... so maybe they are sitting on the story. That's a possibility too.

How many of you live in MX or visit frequently? If you don't you have no idea what his death will cause to the people around the areas under his control. You guys think violence will slow down? Wrong! This cat manages to control to a certain extent his plaza bosses not to go all rogue. I've seen first hand what some of these cats do when they get all high, drunk, and their power gets to them at times...these cats get put in check quite often because the people complain to the big boss.

@11:32pm brains or the money???? Z-40 had enough sense too invest in racehorses too bad for them they got caught,the Zetas have invested in Building construction company's,mining,fuel theft.The Zetas had some good ideas,but they were just too loud about it....dude the zetas have Nuevo laredo plaza....do i need say more(No other border crossing has as many trucks crossing per year then in NL).

Doesnt matter how many trucks go across .if they keep getting busted like they have been lately theres no gain there.for people who criticize chivis need to shut up.i am in america and wouldnt know about any of this stuff if it wasnt for bb.our media doesnt ever report this stuff and i feel we need to know as mexico is our neighbor and they r in our country too.thanks chivis

Ohh well if he died there's still scum left mayo azul chapos sons mayos sons mini lics Los Torres zetas golfos caballeros la familia the nastys of the cjng chapo isidro Los lizarraga el h2 el h still a bunch of scum including the mini cells and the street gangas after the cartels are gone your gona have la eme surenos running around the u.s.a like it was the prohibition era shooting shit up ohh dont forget the mini pushers I guess the scum just goes on everyone :/

Ohh and don't forget the narco guerillas that are forming them selves in the sierras of chihuahua durango and Sinaloa you see the goverment pushes them into turning in a worser thing trust me my family lives in the ranchos poor rancheros and they say this stuff is already happening.

I doubt it he has at least 300 in his personal army. But if anything I wouldn't be surprised if the zetas got him in Guatemala . Lol I like how the zetas and CDS mopped the floor with the guatecartels. Not even a fair match. Also the sicario group that take care of chapo is named Los talibanes if there anything like the real Taliban then there crazy as fk! Even if chapo was to be killed mex. wouldn't see peace in long time splinter groups and reprisal will be rapent :/

Puras Pendejadas.I doubt that Chapo ever leaves Mexico, he knows he is safe there where he has corrupt protection. Logistically it is hard to leave any country and fly somewhere when you are the most wanted man in the world. Even if you own the plane. When they do find him, it will be some place close either within Sinaloa or a neighboring state. Government officials know exactly where he is at, and for various reasons have decided not to go after him at this time.

El Senor Chapo is alive and well !He has a security team of 300 all ex special forces (some Delta ,SAS and Israeli spec ops)and El Bravo ,Gente Nueva .If he is in Guatemala Mexico Argentina or Europe he always has his team on the alert he also has a team of CIA bodyguards who protect him 24/7. arriba El Patron Chapo saludos al Bravo y Los Talibanes !!El Fantasma was replaced by El Ninja de Sinaloa....

February 21, 2013 at 9:19 PM "Chivis, can u just type articles without ur input"Motherfucker shut your yap,when you start contributing to this blog maybe you could criticize,maybe.What we gonna do if she decides to bail you fuckin clowns.Rely on you for information?She sees it as positive way to disseminate the Mexican subject to an English speaking audience.Do any of you dojas realize that when she is poorly the blog slows to a crawl?So shut the fuck up.They all do this for Nothing !

Chivis,Good piece,also with the links,helps to opens things up a little.I never was feeling the terrorism angle,its amazing the interest this guy generates.This Jairo Orrellana Zacapa dude seems to have a huge influence in this area,i wonder how strong their affiliations are?I can't imagine they don't run into each other,Z ,CDS?This is the guy who CDS were supposedly after for rippin them?And he supposed to be aligned with Z?Its a dangerous yard,can't see why Guzman would be rollin round there,unless the little guy has huge you know whats,and yeya he has to(hypothetically speaking)to have gotten where he is.

February 21, 2013 at 11:48 PM "I can assure you all as of 12 hours ago Chapo was still in refuge en la sierra de Durango. He is in good hands plebes" I think this is more relevant regarding whether Guzman is dead or not.That supposed to be Z territory where it happened,under the rule of a guy the CDS got a hard on for,and who is aligned with Z?Then again,who the fuck knows?

That video just shows you how﻿ rich all Mexicans could be if the elite didn't take all the cash. The left needs to take a bigger role in Mexico (and would be allowed to if it weren't for corruption). If the common people had a stake and opportunity in such a rich country, it would flourish. If people could make money and have a decent lives in normal businesses, they wouldn't go for the violence in the drug trade. Nobody wants to risk their head being cut off or hung from a bridge, but when it is the only option... you take it.

Mexico is rich. Most Mexicans are poor. The problem is obvious. It is those Mexicans who are not part of "the most".

Great work as unusual Chivis. You presented the rumor, which was dragging down the speed on twitter to almost a halt, and you made the rumor the story not chapos death its self and then continuously updated as per necessary. The wiki information is worth the post in of itself.

I rather have z40 dead than chapo aleast chapos fighting the z to exterminate them can you imagine how Mexico would be without chapo how destabilized Mexico would be not saying it isnt messed up now imagine Mexico under the z rule get rid of the Z BLO JUAREZ AND TJ and peace will be again.

its not true chapos the good guy i live in mexico i know how it is kill the z and the ones that are kidnapping and doing extortion chapos people dont do that. people always say he started all this but it was the zetas if it was not for chapo mexico would be in worse shape cus in many towns his people patrol so the z wont come and do harm 2 the people take it from someone that knows.....the govt needs a better security strategy and go after the most violent cartels...

Province of Peten is Zetas territory and control since 2010. Why would Chapo venture out of his comfort zone without alarming the local Guatemaltecos!

If CHAPO is confirmed dead in the shootout there are two other extremely powerful, and low-profile figures - Ismael "El MAYO" Zambada and Juan Jose "El AZUL" Esparragoza who can take over and of course there would be an increase in violence.

"February 21, 2013 at 9:19 PM"Chivis, can u just type articles without ur input"Motherfucker shut your yap,when you start contributing to this blog maybe you could criticize,maybe.What we gonna do if she decides to bail you fuckin clowns.Rely on you for information?She sees it as positive way to disseminate the Mexican subject to an English speaking audience.Do any of you dojas realize that when she is poorly the blog slows to a crawl?So shut the fuck up.They all do this for Nothing !"

fuck u u cry baby bitch, this site used to be great. All straight info no bullshit, pics survival stories. Not opinions no inputs no pretentious bullshit.

It's official! The death of chapo has been greatly exaggerated! The gov. minister of Guatemala, Mauricio bonilla Lopez, has apologized for prematurely announcing chapo's death. The authorities and the media thought that one of the men killed in the shootout in guatemalen border region of peten was GL, since he shared a striking resemblence. One piece of anecdote to the story is that the current pres. of gautemala is the person who caught him in same country in '93.

As far as where he might be hiding, some have thrown around the theory that it might be Argentina or Bolivia. Now with the report that he uses Argentina as a base of operations, the idea is not farfetched.

Long live el chapo cdg and other allies trying to exterminate the Z BLO AND JUAREZ you get rid of these other scum and peace will arrive the z created this mess imagine Mexico when the z was non existent exterminate the Z AND Z40

damm i just read in the guatemala prensa chapo was killed but it was a tremendous mistake he had them all in his payroll he was said to be in a town called mirandor or mirador they didnt know he was at that spot were he got put down fuck i really hate this cause know a war is going to breakdown do to his absence within the cds and zambada is the main suspect cause there has been friction between chapo and zambada since vicente was snitched out guess who it was

The Interior Minister Mauricio Lopez Bonilla, said there is no intelligence to locate the Joaquin "Chapo" Guzman in Guatemala, but still is performing a search in Peten after the information reached the authorities on Thursday night of a shooting where there would be two dead and one of them was the kingpin of the world's wealthiest drug trafficker.

What are you illiterate or ESL or both? The headline is RUMOR not HE'S DEAD. It would be irresponsible not to establish that the story is out there and being watched especially when it is derived from an official source. Cheers to Chivis.

First off thank you for the amazing support! Havana, Vato, Malo work hard and long and a little nod goes a long way. Now and then I see a comment about us not working hard just copy and paste, first of all some of us do write original work, but finding article, translating (we concentrate on Sp Lang) finding photos links etc and making it our own can take hours if not a couple days. there is no such thing as "copy and paste' here at BB.

I first saw the story from readers...and very early who saw the tweets on twitter.

I did not use any Mex or US sources I went directly to 'PRENSA LIBRE PETEN' where EVERY news source went. From there I followed the wiki connection and built on the story.

Our readers are awesome and interactive. Many photos, vids and info comes from you. I honestly look at each one and check into it. If I don't post something most likely there was an aspect I was not sure of or too busy news day and have to make choices, but I do appreciate it so much. Many either send thru comments or email me.

There is a story about a video that is supposed to be an execution video of an associate of valor tamps blog. I can not find a good collaboration to its authenticity and it appears to be an old video. Anyone know anything?

Another story is a kidnapping story that was in Nuevo Laredo (I think Hoy) but was pulled and deleted...anyone?

both stories sent in by readers and I am just getting to them....paz, chivis

Chapo people don´t kidnap¡ don´t extort? BS!, CDS is as corrupt and f´d up as ALL the other cartels, Chapo DID start this shit. His ambition made Juarez hell, his ambition was responsible for THOUSANDS of deaths in Tijuana, his ambition is responsible for the fracture between Zetas and Golfos, his ambition made BLO go berserk on Sinaloa, his ambition is responsible for the deaths of way too many CDS members who were snitched on...Chapo is responsible for a BIG part of Mexico´s bloodshed.

The Valor por Tamaulipas video is FAKE. You can see many mistakes in the film, the guy gets shot in the right side of the head and lands on his face? not posible, Not blood coming out, the smoke from the gun passes in front of his face BEFORE he moves as a supossed reaction of being shot.

Hey sometimes I try to post comments that dont say anything rude or stupid at all and bb doesnt show them on the website. Why blocks comments like that when I see some dumbass niggas writing stupid shit rooting for a certain cartel or sayin shit like "puro cds" or "puro zeta"

ha, chivis, wil you please just input without your input, if you go back and read your " input" it doesnt smell like an opinion, just links to events and memos that may tie in with the relevance to the story

February 22, 2013 at 2:15 PM "All straight info no bullshit, pics survival stories. Not opinions no inputs no pretentious bullshit"Alright man be cool,one of my worst hates is people being pretentious,but gettin grimy with one of the main contributors aint doing no good,they bound to put their own slight slant on their own work?I aint particularly feelin her myself,but i appreciate what she does.You pissed because people defended her?I know,but without her taking an interest,im tellin you man,it would slow big time.

I' am not pissed because people defend her but because only "certain" comments are posted. I have a alot of friends through-out the country (from over seas) where we used to always be on this site (most of us are from near the border)we would discuss the danger and articles all the time. All of them if not most (myself included) say that most of our comments are ignored. This used to be a great site, we now skip articles if Chivis is the author. I appreciate what this site used to be..... and hope it can be again.

genius you are not. chivis is respected not only at Borderland Beat but by many reputable publications using her work as reprints or source.

You also an idiot to say "we now skip chivis articles"

as you write on one of them.

I think Buggs the other mods and chivis have the right to choose comments and the standards are clearly posted. chivis is the only interactive person so she is a target good, bad or otherwise. like she says, if her work bothers you, simply stay away.

I think the site has always been a winner and presents a complete picture of the drug war. but since chivis came on it is even better, consistently relevant, informative and provocative her hard work shines through and is instantly missed when she is having an off day.

Admin; please don't post these ignorant remarks. like this loser a his "alot" of friends