To everyone who joined these forums at some point, and got discouraged by the negativity and left after a while (or even got literally scared off): I'm sorry.

I wasn't good enough at encouraging people to be kinder, and removing people who refuse to be kind. Encouraging people is hard, and removing people creates conflict, and I hate conflict... so that's why I wasn't better at it.

I was a very, very sensitive teen. The atmosphere of this forum as it is now, if it had existed in 1996, would probably have upset me far more than it would have helped.

I can handle quite a lot of negativity and even abuse now, but that isn't the point. I want to help people. I want to help the people who need it the most, and I want to help people like the 1996 version of me.

I'm still figuring out the best way to do that, but as it is now, these forums are doing more harm than good, and I can't keep running them.

Thank you to the few people who have tried to understand my point of view so far. I really, really appreciate you guys. You are beautiful people.

Everyone else: If after everything I've said so far, you still don't understand my motivations, I think it's unlikely that you will. We're just too different. Maybe someday in the future it might make sense, but until then, there's no point in arguing about it. I don't have the time or the energy for arguing anymore. I will focus my time and energy on people who support me, and those who need help.

-SoulRiser

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(06-25-2017 01:51 PM)Hansgrohe Wrote: No wonder this place gets no traffic.

This site gets no traffic because the front page STILL doesn't have a noticeable forum link. The only way to find the forums is 1) read through the entire front page where a subtle link is buried in the text 2) through Google (or in a freak incident Bing). You don't care about traffic.

(06-26-2017 02:57 AM)Night Wrote: I banned a user for 5 fucking days not even a entire week because I don't think defending pedophilia is something this place should be supporting. Like you talk about empathy but where's the empathy for the teens who come here as victims of sexual abuse? hm?? You think saying things like "What's wrong with was pedophiles do" is fucking OK!?

Let me fucking repeat that for the people in the back; do you fucking think saying shit like '"What's wrong with what pedophiles do?" is ok!?

Fucking tell me how that's something we should just let run amok on the forums, what fucking logic are you following? Answer me seriously because you never fucking answered me last night. Doesn't exactly give one the impression you're listening and I thought that was your whole thing.

Not to mention it doesn't exactly look good for you, a grown man, to side with pedo enablers on a site full of people under the age of 18. Just sayin!

Remember all I did was give a user the internet equivalent of a fucking timeout and closed the thread, and you took away my mod powers. You have permabanned two users essentially because you just don't like them, two users that could've been given a warning, or *gasp* a 5 day time out! Not a fucking permaban, that's never really been what this forum is about except for truly abusive people. And personally I find pedophilia a bit more abusive than the banter Gwedin and Ury engage in. But no, she's not a problem at all, all because you DO like her. You're fucking overflowing with conflict of interest and special treatment.

You don't deserve this position. I've been here a long time and never seen such a disgusting abuse of their position. Get over yourfuckingself.

If we're going to become a forum that supports the raping and traumatization of young children, well you can say goodbye to most of the current active members. You may as well be pedophiles yourself.

Nobody was defending child rape. You just disagree with consistent opinions on whether a child can be trusted with "consent". Korravatar thinks they can; Personally I think they can't, because adults can't be trusted with it either; but you guys think adults can, but children can't, which is extremely ironic considering this forum is supposed to be anti-ageist. What are you even doing on this forum then? Get consistent or get out.

(06-25-2017 01:51 PM)Hansgrohe Wrote: No wonder this place gets no traffic.

This site gets no traffic because the front page STILL doesn't have a noticeable forum link. The only way to find the forums is 1) read through the entire front page where a subtle link is buried in the text 2) through Google (or in a freak incident Bing). You don't care about traffic.

thanks for this jop. just one thing, who do u mean doesnt care about traffic?

(06-26-2017 08:27 PM)Jop Wrote: This site gets no traffic because the front page STILL doesn't have a noticeable forum link. The only way to find the forums is 1) read through the entire front page where a subtle link is buried in the text 2) through Google (or in a freak incident Bing). You don't care about traffic.

thanks for this jop. just one thing, who do u mean doesnt care about traffic?

and would u likr more people to use the forums?

It was a not-serious remark about the neglection of the forum link.

And yes I would like this forum (or another anti-school forum) to have as many users as possible, of course. Isn't that the point of a BBS, having people to discuss a subject with?

This is why I rarely express my views on child sexuality and the age of consent. People seem to assume I'm for the raping and traumatizing of kids. Hell no. Forcing yourself on an unwilling person and causing them pain is scarring for anyone.

I'm just questioning why unforced and harmless intimacy is deemed inherently harmful to people under 16 (or 18), but fun and pleasureful for adults.
How would a much younger person having fun exploring their sexuality by masturbating or experimenting with those their age be pretty much ok to many people, but the moment an adult(harmlessly, without penetration when it's with someone very young, and at the younger person's level) shares intimacy with them(and the younger person likes them, enjoys it, and may have initiated it) it's somehow the top most mentally scarring thing to ever experience in one's life?
People fail to differentiate between between force/ trauma and curiosity/enjoyment, then end up forcing a victim label on those who do not see themselves as victims, until they grow up believing they must've been victims regardless of how they felt at the time.

Since so many people either misunderstand me or have incredibly strong opposing views, I should probably stop speaking on this subject here before I get banned again or more users agreeing with me also get dragged into the pit of isolation and hate from everyone else. Ben does not deserve the shit he is getting from users just because he believes consensual relationships should not be receiving the demonization they are currently getting.

Also, Night doesn't deserve that demodding and Gwedin doesn't deserve that ban. Most people believe child intimacy with adults= Exploitation and abuse, so to them I might as well have been spouting "Legalize murder and rape!" or something, so any actions or negative words they said/did to me are pretty much justified since that's how most people would react.
Since my views are HIGHLY stigmatized, I don't want new users to think this site is for those views, and either discredit the ant-school/youth rights aspect of it or just leave the site disgusted.

"I’M BEGGING YOU, PRINCE ZUKO! It’s time for you to look inward and begin asking yourself the big question: who are you and what do YOU want?"
" While it is always best to believe in one’s self, a little help from others can be a great blessing"
-Uncle Iroh(Avatar: the Last Airbender)

(06-26-2017 08:27 PM)Jop Wrote: This site gets no traffic because the front page STILL doesn't have a noticeable forum link. The only way to find the forums is 1) read through the entire front page where a subtle link is buried in the text 2) through Google (or in a freak incident Bing). You don't care about traffic.

thanks for this jop. just one thing, who do u mean doesnt care about traffic?

and would u likr more people to use the forums?

It was a not-serious remark about the neglection of the forum link.

And yes I would like this forum (or another anti-school forum) to have as many users as possible, of course. Isn't that the point of a BBS, having people to discuss a subject with?

try to reword your post so it sounds more like a friendly, helpful suggestion and less like a criticism?

if u dont want to try its ok - i will either do it for u or just c/p.

not sure yet. just thought id ask

but i agree - seems to make sense to make it more visible

(06-27-2017 03:37 AM)Korravatar Wrote: This is why I rarely express my views on child sexuality and the age of consent. People seem to assume I'm for the raping and traumatizing of kids. Hell no. Forcing yourself on an unwilling person and causing them pain is scarring for anyone.

I'm just questioning why unforced and harmless intimacy is deemed inherently harmful to people under 16 (or 18), but fun and pleasureful for adults.
How would a much younger person having fun exploring their sexuality by masturbating or experimenting with those their age be pretty much ok to many people, but the moment an adult(harmlessly, without penetration when it's with someone very young, and at the younger person's level) shares intimacy with them(and the younger person likes them, enjoys it, and may have initiated it) it's somehow the top most mentally scarring thing to ever experience in one's life?
People fail to differentiate between between force/ trauma and curiosity/enjoyment, then end up forcing a victim label on those who do not see themselves as victims, until they grow up believing they must've been victims regardless of how they felt at the time.

Since so many people either misunderstand me or have incredibly strong opposing views, I should probably stop speaking on this subject here before I get banned again or more users agreeing with me also get dragged into the pit of isolation and hate from everyone else. Ben does not deserve the shit he is getting from users just because he believes consensual relationships should not be receiving the demonization they are currently getting.

Also, Night doesn't deserve that demodding and Gwedin doesn't deserve that ban. Most people believe child intimacy with adults= Exploitation and abuse, so to them I might as well have been spouting "Legalize murder and rape!" or something, so any actions or negative words they said/did to me are pretty much justified since that's how most people would react.
Since my views are HIGHLY stigmatized, I don't want new users to think this site is for those views, and either discredit the ant-school/youth rights aspect of it or just leave the site disgusted.

im very impressed with ur mind dove. and i share some of ur same fears and concerns

it is clear we dont have a consensus on this - at least not one aligned with SoulRiser - site founder and owner - and mine - super moderator.

I want to share something - SR is ok with having less people here.

And as I think of it, this forum is not helping the anti school movement

Dove is smart enough to think of that

So anyhow, SR and I agree its ok to have the size of the forum cut way down.

Let's say quality over size is our new motto. I will check with SR if I remember or she will eventually read this or some highly motivated person can post it on the Attention SoulRiser thread that Hans started digging his grave on.

lol

sorry hans

u probably won't like that little joke

btw hans, i feel a bit bad for coming across as such a control freak.

It was late at night.

So anyhow, Job, I feel a pretty decent level of respect for your posts and u so I want to ask you how you would feel if we had, say 10 members for the next month or so till more pple joined?

Id be ok with 10 and I think Soul would be but we havent gotten so specific as to set a goal in terms of members of numbers.

And on that topic, I have been thinking of backing off a bit. Giving pple some time to adjust or adapt or w/e to my new crazy insane ideas as the St Hein calls them. But some of us are suspicious it is really Gwedin

But I dont care too much at this point

Soul and I are both resourceful. We will figure out a way to clean up the forum and set it on its new course

I say new course cuz I feel sure S will agree this is gonna be a new course, not just an attempt to go back to the old course, cuz that one kind of crashed into some little icebergs and made a mess and some pple sort of drowned we could say.

So this time we want to plan a different course and maybe set a new destination.

I have already invited one of my best friends here She is LucyPres467

Those of you who feel more powerful or in control or whatever by throwing the label Pedo Enabler around have a new person you can paint with that brush.

She will eventually introduce herself and explain how we met.

She is 19 now. We met about 6 years ago. So if you do the math she was about 13.

We had good sex let me tell you.

haha

Small, bad joke

But you know what, fuck you guys who are now calling me a pedo apparently.