Soldier shoots himself to avoid Iraq

Soldier shoots himself to avoid Iraq

NEW YORK - A soldier who recently returned from Iraq has admitted he paid someone $500 to shoot him in the leg so he could avoid returning for
another tour.

Jonathan Aponte, 20, claimed he had been robbed and shot but changed his story when police questioned him, authorities said. Aponte, who was facing
another eight-month tour, had been scheduled to leave last Monday.

"As far as being shot at every day, I think it's better," Aponte told WCBS-TV...

Some people believe in what they are doing and become involved in war because they believe in their hearts that its the right thing to do , others are
profesionals , trained and paid to do a job but may lack the conviction of what theyve been sent to do,and may value their life more than their job

There are other ways to get out, rather then rape the system for Medical leave ( 30% or more of base pay ). I mean simply alot of times you can oped
out if you felt so. Many reasons besides a planed shooting can you do.

Victims of a war launched on bogus intelligence, a war that is pushed by failed and failing policies, and by all accounts losing not only the support
of the American people, but the government, and even within the republican party. These factors combined with a relentless enemy who attacks these
young men daily in Iraq, could easily push even a sane person to seek a way out of it, and to question why even bother going there if they are going
to pull out soon anyway. Why roam the dusty roads of Iraq as a target for insurgents and terrorists, and even some angry Iraqi people?

Is there one grain of sand left in Iraq worthy of one more drop of American blood?

What this young man did was foolish, perhaps stupid, I'll give you that. But why someone would even think of doing this is far more compelling.

I wonder why someone would think of doing this in the first place? Probably because he has seen all over the news what Iraq can be, and he saw how
many of his fellow soldiers are already dead because of this mess.

Sad. Maybe if we wouldn't have gone into that mess in the first place, we wouldn't have our soldiers getting themselves purposely shot in the leg so
they wouldn't have to go.

Is this going to continue, just like in Vietnam? Soldiers putting guns in their mouths just so they wouldn't have to go to war, I could see this
being the beginning of that.

My wishes go for him to have a speedy recovery, and be placed in an area of the military more suitable to his mental state so that he can continue his
service to his country in some other form.

Originally posted by niteboy82
Is this going to continue, just like in Vietnam? Soldiers putting guns in their mouths just so they wouldn't have to go to war, I could see this
being the beginning of that.

Please clarify this statement.

Do you have any examples to cite?

Data?

What specifically does this have to do with Vietnam, as opposed to other wars?

A soldier who recently returned from Iraq has admitted he paid someone $500 to shoot him in the leg so he could avoid returning for another
tour.

The poor guy already suffered through almost a year of hell in Iraq. So he wanted to leave the military, what's the big friggin deal?

He didn't want to cooperate with an unjust Administration that started a war based on lies. They are the real traitors here. Let's have them all
tried for war crimes.

Oh wait, that's right there is no accountability in our government. I forgot.

Apone had joked with his wife about getting shot in the leg so he could avoid another tour, according to the complaint. His wife took the remark
seriously, and said she knew a man named who could do the job.

His lawyer has said Aponte suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder, and the military will evaluate him and decide whether he is fit for duty,
provide counseling if needed and then send him back overseas, or discharge him.

Can you blame the guy? All he wanted was to live. I wouldn't call that cowardice, although there are definitely more intelligent ways to get out of a
war.

First off, don't join the military. If there's a draft, claim conscientious objector..Oh wait we can't do that anymore now with the Patriot Act and
draft bills that have been passed.

Thank God this war hasn't been very popular at home. I'm not exactly lining up for the front line, although I almost joined the Marines back in
2004. Glad I didn't.

There were numerous students at the University of New Orleans who were drafted to fight in the Vietnam war. They put guns in their mouths and ended
their lives. One of my best friends was a history professor there and knew these students, teaching many of them.

What specifically does this have to do with Vietnam, as opposed to other wars?

Well this is a war, where even avid supporters are now looking to pull out, because it has become nothing more than a mess, with a Iraqi government
where there is more corruption that a New Orleans Canal Street Brothel on a Saturday night. And a parallel can be drawn to a war that is largely
considered a mess where people are beginning to purposely harm themselves to avoid duty.

He should have paid 1000 bucks for 2 bullets. Wouldn't have been nearly as suspicious with one in the leg and one in the shoulder.

Ultimately I agree with Grady. He enlisted right? Everyone that willfully enlists should understand the risk envolved, and understand that they
may have to kill people for oil. I wonder if this guy enlisted thinking the iraqis weren't going to shoot back?

Originally posted by marg6043
A coward he is not, after all he served already time in Iraq, I can not blame him for doing what he did.

When he enlisted was it for 1, 2 or 3 tours in Iraq?

Or was his enlistment for say.... a span of years?

He enlisted. I am sure he understands what a contract is? The corruption of politics envolved in the Iraq invasion is erroneous to this issue.
He willfully signed up. Signed up to be an American soldier to fight the American way. That wayincludes corrupt politics, and
everything else American. He obviously made a personal mistake enlisting. He should finish his time and then learn from his mistake, just like
everyone else.

I don't consider this soldiers cowards they already has served in the front lines they are just fed up with the way this war is going and how
our government has abuse this soldiers.

Okay fair enough. Wouldn't the right thing to do then, if he felt that way, to somehow do something to change that situation? Get involved in
politics or maybe start a protest... something or anything to help out the other soldiers who are in the exact same circumstance!
Instead he faked an injury to save himself. What about the other soldiers who were also serving on the front? His absence subsequently
increases the risk of the other soldiers, however small. I wouldn't say his actions are cowardly per se, but definitely selfish.

If he was drafted I would be in full agreement with everything people in this thread has said that was in support of this 'victim'. The fact
of the matter is, he enlisted as an American soldier, which means they are going to tell you how to breathe and where to breathe. He knew that.

We in the US have made a person at 18 a legal adult. I personally have noticed in recent years, approx 10 years now, that 18 year olds ARE NOT as
experianced about anything, especially REAL WORLD conflicts/politics as we used to be and common sence isn't as dominant anymore either. These KIDS
are signing contracts usually for college money and NOT truly understanding the commitment that comes with signing that line. If it were up to me, we
should bump the adult age to 21...IMO! This guy was 20 and even at 20, we really don't know ****!

Right or Wrong your making the choice to SERVE your country. Anytime, Anywhere, Any condition, for various reasons. The thing I would like to know
is what MOS (Job) did this guy have? You find MANY young men and women who are nowhere near combat are doing these things because of their
girlfriends/boyfriends/husbands/wives are cheating or breaking up with them due to the deployment and they go and do something stupid like this so
they can stay home. Or they miss hanging out at the parties drinking and having NO responsibility still living at home till 25, etc...

Bottom line, pretty cowardly move....you want out, refuse deployment and maybe go to jail and serve your time, then your out! Either way he now gets
a Dishonorable Discharge, but atleast no bullet wound and the loss of $500!

Originally posted by niteboy82
Is this going to continue, just like in Vietnam? Soldiers putting guns in their mouths just so they wouldn't have to go to war, I could see this
being the beginning of that.

Please clarify this statement.

Do you have any examples to cite?

Data?

What specifically does this have to do with Vietnam, as opposed to other wars?

I'm not exactly sure what niteboy82 was alluding to, but my father, who spent many years in Nam with the USAF (not sure what he did, he doesn't talk
about it, but I know he picked up alot of dead bodies) told me drug use was a big pandemic for many of the soldeirs during that time. I think
niteboy82s point was that if the war is bad enough the soldiers will start to break down. I feel this war is really bad, not in the death tolls, but
in our reason for being there. Maybe we will see more instances of the soldiers in Iraq doing things like heroin/morphine... or shooting themselves.

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