I use to feel the same, but after watching it again during my marathon, I think the impeding awfulness elevates the first part of the film more then it deserves. It is definitely better, but I don't find it particularly good.

You could be partially right. The rep of DAD is so bad i think we're to assume from the gun barrel scene we're supposed to be gagging. So it could be a case of very lowered expectations.

However i still hold the 1st 3rd of DAD didn't seem much worst than GoldenEye to me.

You could be partially right. The rep of DAD is so bad i think we're to assume from the gun barrel scene we're supposed to be gagging. So it could be a case of very lowered expectations.

However i still hold the 1st 3rd of DAD didn't seem much worst than GoldenEye to me.

I can agree with that, though while I find GoldenEye good, I don't think it takes much to match it considering how badly it aged. It still has some of the best moments in the entire series, but as a whole I don't think it works as well as I use to.

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I find the pacing of Thunderball really kills it for me. I like the film but I don't find it all that great either.

The underwater bits do slow it to a crawl at tims. Still, I think it crunches GoldenEye's nuts and is a superior film to Goldfinger.

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Same here. And maybe Jamie only heard one person say it, but I've heard numerous say it. Although... these are Bond fans, I guess. Maybe the general public didn't make the connection but I'm sure many fans did.

I think Bond should have dealt with the torture issue more strongly. So he's tortured straight for 14 months and after a quick shave and a suit change he's back to normal?

Hell Bond in CR was tortured for maybe an hour and he felt the reprocusions much longer it seemed. DAD missed a golden opportunity there and could have actually done what skyfall did with an older bond trying to get back in the swing of things.

The Korean elements and characters are taken from Colonel Sun whereas the whole Gustav Graves story of a rich and popular British billionaire actually being a foreign war criminal are taken from Moonraker.

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I'll say this about Roger Moore; when he's good, he's really good. When he's bad, well, yeah. His movies are satirical. For god sakes, just look at the villain's over the top plots! Way more over the top than say, Goldfinger or tomorrow never dies.

I think TSWLM (in which CConn you are right about it taking the best of Connery's movies, that was intentional) is definitely a top 10 Bond movie and its #5 for me for best Bond movies, behind Goldfinger, Goldeneye, Skyfall, and From Russia with Love. I just find it to be insane amounts of fun and I found Moore to be a captivating and intriguing Bond. This movie is the closest Moore got to novel Bond. The scene where first talks to Anya and he strays the conversation away from his deceased wife was great. Even greater was his confession to Anya that he killed her boyfriend. Plus, he killed the main villain by shooting him in the balls!

It's funny that with the perception of Moore's movies, his run had Bond kill guys in the worst ways, like shooting a guy in the balls, dropping a guy off a roof, kicking a car off a cliff, throwing a guy out of a train (twice though Jaws survived), and of course, blowing up a guy (in several different ways).

Still I think that some you are way too harsh on the humor of the older movies. It wasn't all bad and I am not against humor in the Bond movies.

With all of that said, JW Pepper, Bond being in a clown suit (along with most of the humor in Octopussy), and the sound effect from MWTGG are all horrible.

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I think Bond should have dealt with the torture issue more strongly. So he's tortured straight for 14 months and after a quick shave and a suit change he's back to normal?

Hell Bond in CR was tortured for maybe an hour and he felt the reprocusions much longer it seemed. DAD missed a golden opportunity there and could have actually done what skyfall did with an older bond trying to get back in the swing of things.

This is a huge issue I had with DAD. What Skyfall did is something I wish they did with DAD during their 40th anniversary.

I can agree with that, though while I find GoldenEye good, I don't think it takes much to match it considering how badly it aged. It still has some of the best moments in the entire series, but as a whole I don't think it works as well as I use to.

The underwater bits do slow it to a crawl at tims. Still, I think it crunches GoldenEye's nuts and is a superior film to Goldfinger.

I find Goldeneye superior to Thunderball. Better story, better villain, better action sequences. Also, I felt Bond had more to do in Goldeneye than Thunderball. As others said, Thunderball's pacing is pretty bad and it could have cut a lot more out. I still find it a worthy follow up to Goldfinger though.

Still, I love the plot of Thunderball and I would love for Craig to talk a Thunderball-like plot where the entire world is in danger.

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I think Bond should have dealt with the torture issue more strongly. So he's tortured straight for 14 months and after a quick shave and a suit change he's back to normal?

Hell Bond in CR was tortured for maybe an hour and he felt the reprocusions much longer it seemed. DAD missed a golden opportunity there and could have actually done what skyfall did with an older bond trying to get back in the swing of things.

Like i said it could have dealt with the themes of an older out of swing bond trying to get his footing back, as in skyfall.

Instead of keeping up the appearance that bond is a superhero (or superman actually), you should have seen the repercussions of those many months of torture. Not to mention brosnan could have distanced himself from those roger moore comaprisons, by unlike moore acknowledging that he was indeed aging in the role.

Craig wasn't tortured but he was injured, somewhat older and out of it for a good portion of the film.

The premise was set up so strong there for DAD but it totally dropped the ball.

Like i said it could have dealt with the themes of an older out of swing bond trying to get his footing back, as in skyfall.

Instead of keeping up the appearance that bond is a superhero (or superman actually), you should have seen the repercussions of those many months of torture. Not to mention brosnan could have distanced himself from those roger moore comaprisons, by unlike moore acknowledging that he was indeed aging in the role.

Craig wasn't tortured but he was injured, somewhat older and out of it for a good portion of the film.

The premise was set up so strong there for DAD but it totally dropped the ball.

Ah, I get you now. I thought you were saying you thought Craig was tortured in Skyfall. I see what you're taking about.