calc27 wrote:He would have to do something illegal like go his mouth 4 times which would walk the runner then there's an error on a pickoff attempt and the runner somehow scoress from 1st.

I'm sure the answer you're thinking of is much better, or at least I hope so.

Sorry to disappoint you, but you are right.

Eh.

That's a no-no. He'd almost certainly get fined.

8.02The pitcher shall not --(a) (1) Bring his pitching hand in contact with his mouth or lips while in the 18 foot circle surrounding the pitching rubber. EXCEPTION: Provided it is agreed to by both managers, the umpire prior to the start of a game played in cold weather, may permit the pitcher to blow on his hand.PENALTY: For violation of this part of this rule the umpires shall immediately call a ball. However, if the pitch is made and a batter reaches first base on a hit, an error, a hit batsman or otherwise, and no other runner is put out before advancing at least one base, the play shall proceed without reference to the violation. Repeated offenders shall be subject to a fine by the league president.

How about this then? He goes to his mouth, gets a ball one. Argue with umpire, gets thrown out of game. New pitcher comes in. Gives up a run with same runner. The orignal pitcher who gave the ball is charged with the run and loss.

calc27 wrote:He would have to do something illegal like go his mouth 4 times which would walk the runner then there's an error on a pickoff attempt and the runner somehow scoress from 1st.

I'm sure the answer you're thinking of is much better, or at least I hope so.

Sorry to disappoint you, but you are right.

Eh.

That's a no-no. He'd almost certainly get fined.

8.02The pitcher shall not --(a) (1) Bring his pitching hand in contact with his mouth or lips while in the 18 foot circle surrounding the pitching rubber. EXCEPTION: Provided it is agreed to by both managers, the umpire prior to the start of a game played in cold weather, may permit the pitcher to blow on his hand.PENALTY: For violation of this part of this rule the umpires shall immediately call a ball. However, if the pitch is made and a batter reaches first base on a hit, an error, a hit batsman or otherwise, and no other runner is put out before advancing at least one base, the play shall proceed without reference to the violation. Repeated offenders shall be subject to a fine by the league president.

How about this then? He goes to his mouth, gets a ball one. Argue with umpire, gets thrown out of game. New pitcher comes in. Gives up a run with same runner. The orignal pitcher who gave the ball is charged with the run and loss.

calc27 wrote:He would have to do something illegal like go his mouth 4 times which would walk the runner then there's an error on a pickoff attempt and the runner somehow scoress from 1st.

I'm sure the answer you're thinking of is much better, or at least I hope so.

Sorry to disappoint you, but you are right.

Eh.

That's a no-no. He'd almost certainly get fined.

8.02The pitcher shall not --(a) (1) Bring his pitching hand in contact with his mouth or lips while in the 18 foot circle surrounding the pitching rubber. EXCEPTION: Provided it is agreed to by both managers, the umpire prior to the start of a game played in cold weather, may permit the pitcher to blow on his hand.PENALTY: For violation of this part of this rule the umpires shall immediately call a ball. However, if the pitch is made and a batter reaches first base on a hit, an error, a hit batsman or otherwise, and no other runner is put out before advancing at least one base, the play shall proceed without reference to the violation. Repeated offenders shall be subject to a fine by the league president.

How about this then? He goes to his mouth, gets a ball one. Argue with umpire, gets thrown out of game. New pitcher comes in. Gives up a run with same runner. The orignal pitcher who gave the ball is charged with the run and loss.

No, that walk would go to the relief pitcher.

I'm almost sure that the pitcher who started the batter out will be responsible for the batter (hit or walk). Similar to a pitcher who hurts himself. I'm going to look this up now.

(h) A relief pitcher shall not be held accountable when the first batter to whom he pitches reaches first base on four called balls if such batter has a decided advantage in the ball and strike count when pitchers are changed.
(1) If, when pitchers are changed, the count is
2 balls, no strike,
2 balls, 1 strike,
3 balls, no strike,
3 balls, 1 strike,
3 balls, 2 strikes,
and the batter gets a base on balls, the official scorer shall charge that batter and the base on balls to the preceding pitcher, not to the relief pitcher.
(2) Any other action by such batter, such as reaching base on a hit, an error, a fielder's choice, a force-out, or being touched by a pitched ball, shall cause such a batter to be charged to the relief pitcher.
Rule 10.16(h) Comment: The provisions of Rule 10.16(h)(2) shall not be construed as affecting or conflicting with the provisions of Rule 10.16(g).
(3) If, when pitchers are changed, the count is
2 balls, 2 strikes,
1 ball, 2 strikes,
1 ball, 1 strike,
1 ball, no strike,
no ball, 2 strikes,
no ball, 1 strike,
the official scorer shall charge that batter and the actions of that batter to the relief pitcher.

(h) A relief pitcher shall not be held accountable when the first batter to whom he pitches reaches first base on four called balls if such batter has a decided advantage in the ball and strike count when pitchers are changed.(1) If, when pitchers are changed, the count is2 balls, no strike,2 balls, 1 strike,3 balls, no strike,3 balls, 1 strike,3 balls, 2 strikes,and the batter gets a base on balls, the official scorer shall charge that batter and the base on balls to the preceding pitcher, not to the relief pitcher.(2) Any other action by such batter, such as reaching base on a hit, an error, a fielder's choice, a force-out, or being touched by a pitched ball, shall cause such a batter to be charged to the relief pitcher.Rule 10.16(h) Comment: The provisions of Rule 10.16(h)(2) shall not be construed as affecting or conflicting with the provisions of Rule 10.16(g).(3) If, when pitchers are changed, the count is2 balls, 2 strikes,1 ball, 2 strikes,1 ball, 1 strike,1 ball, no strike,no ball, 2 strikes,no ball, 1 strike,the official scorer shall charge that batter and the actions of that batter to the relief pitcher.

Ok I stand corrected He will need to have 2 balls in order for that to work (no pun intended).