Excuse me for bring my gripe with martin to the attention of the general public hear on the forums at deamonforums, but I belevie he has voiolated my right to free speach granted me by the constitution of the United States (My home Country) just because he has censored a huge segment from my signature, which was my honest opinion about what i see as a problem on several forums to which i contribute on a regular basis.

Hello,

I removed the first part of your signature, I don't think I need to explain why.

In addition, I would like to point out that hostility towards any user, "noob" or otherwise, is not tolerated, if you think someone needs to "RTFM" or is acting like an idiot that you are free point this out to him/her, but do so in a respectful and polite manner.

Martin
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Hello,

I removed the first part of your signature, I don't think I need to explain why.

In addition, I would like to point out that hostility towards any user, "noob" or otherwise, is not tolerated, if you think someone needs to "RTFM" or is acting like an idiot that you are free point this out to him/her, but do so in a respectful and polite manner.

Martin
I am sorry for the rucus iver the signature, but I have had this signature on LinuxQuestions and either jermy the adminstrator , one of his co adminisrtators has given me greif about it nor sensored it. So I do not understand why you guys wouild censor it and sritp me of muy constitutional right of free speach.

Your critique and recommendations on what to do in feature istances of opression such as this are openly accepted.

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If I believe something to be immoral a will not keep quite and let my voice of annoyance be heard loud and clear.

Below our entire conversation (chronological, oldest first), including the message I just sent you.

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Originally Posted by Carpetsmoker

Hello,

I removed the first part of your signature, I don't think I need to explain why.

In addition, I would like to point out that hostility towards any user, "noob" or otherwise, is not tolerated, if you think someone needs to "RTFM" or is acting like an idiot that you are free point this out to him/her, but do so in a respectful and polite manner.

Martin

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I am sorry for the rucus iver the signature, but I have had this signature on LinuxQuestions and either jermy the adminstrator , one of his co adminisrtators has given me greif about it nor sensored it. So I do not understand why you guys wouild censor it and sritp me of muy constitutional right of free speach.

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Originally Posted by Carpetsmoker

We like to have an open forums where everyone is invited to contribute and/or ask a question, guru and noob alike.
Your signature was far from inviting anyone to ask a question, it was in fact downright hostile, and the words "Bitching" and "fucking" don't help either...

The constitutional right does not mean you are free to profanity,

And whatever decisions are made at LinuxQuestions have no authority here.

Martin

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Originally Posted by FloridaBSD

I can live with this pseudo democracy, that strips me a fundamental constitutional right of freedom of speech,which gives me ground on which to sue you for violating not only Freedom of speech but also net neutrality.

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Originally Posted by Carpetsmoker

Whoever said this site is a democracy? It is not, it is owned and payed for by me, which means that I'm charge of saying what is and isn't allowed.

I am not violating anyone's constitutional rights, feel free to say whatever you want on your own site, but on my site I will not tolerate either excessive profanity or hostility towards any individual or a particular group of users.

Even if I would be an U.S. citizen, you would have no grounds what-so-ever to sue me, the first amendment reads:

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

It should be obvious that I am not "the congress", in addition even the government is allowed to censor things like (excessive) profanity, obscenity, pornography, violence, etc. for obvious reasons.

Also, net neutrality means that a network (i.e. the internet) as a whole should be neutral, not individual sites, so net neutrality has nothing to do with any of this.

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I'm with Carpetsmoker on this one. Besides the obvious fact that its his site and he'll censor if he wants to (sorry for the lame parody) - freedom of speech doesn't mean you can say anything you want. Try going into a crowded theater and yelling "FIRE!!!" and see how quickly you'd be thrown into jail. And you can't hardly say anything on a plane anymore. Also, there are laws against slander (and profanity in some communities). You can't use freedom of speech to tell a lie in court.

For legal precedents, see Roth v. United States(1957) and Miller v. California (1973) - among others. The basic gist is that obscenity is not protected speech. Miller v. California states "This much has been categorically settled by the Court, that obscene material is unprotected by the First Amendment."

Freedom is not the right to do whatever you want to do - that's license. Freedom is the ability to do what you ought to.

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Point one, it's sort of silly to put down Windows--it's preachin' to the choir, so to speak, or else the little dog barking at the Rotweiller--hey, is RoddieRod here yet?

Secondly, as Martin points out, this has NOTHING to do with net neutrality. It's simply asking members to hold to a certain code of conduct.

Lastly and most importantly--as he points out, it is his site so free speech has nothing to do with it. If you wish for no moderation at all, I believe that the moderators on bsdforums have stopped censoring or removing any offensive postings. Now, THERE is a forum where they seem to truly honor freedom of speech. As you can see from the result, there are reasons for some moderation.

Freedom of speech is only about the right publicly to criticize the government, or to disseminate an opinion in a public (i.e., government-related) forum. What on earth does this site have to do with either of those? This is a forum run by private, but very generous and decent, individuals. If you cannot abide by their minimal reqirements, you have to consider whether this is a forum for you.

I have refrained from commenting on your current signature, simply because this is a young forum. In my opinion, it has nothing to do with the topics that are discussed here, and it is totally inappropriate.

C'mon, it's not like this is the man screwing over the little guy here. Your original sig was vulgar and offensive!

You're not a lawyer, and I'm not a lawyer, so let's save the Bill of Rights analysis for someone who knows what s/he is actually talking about.

Just let it go. If you're itching to protest something, go protest the tremendous deficit that is threatening to sink this great country.

This is My take on president Bush sense you so kindly asked me to share. he happens to be the biggest shrub ever elected so Lets Just take him out of the white house plant him and give him a good old watering.

__________________ Google Linux is a Green Horns Best Friend (GHBF).
Windows = a 32 bit extensions to a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a four bit processor written by 2-bit monopolistic software company founded by a .3-bit Harvard Drop out, who can't stand one respectable bit of competition.
If I believe something to be immoral a will not keep quite and let my voice of annoyance be heard loud and clear.

Point one, it's sort of silly to put down Windows--it's preachin' to the choir, so to speak, or else the little dog barking at the Rotweiller--hey, is RoddieRod here yet?

Secondly, as Martin points out, this has NOTHING to do with net neutrality. It's simply asking members to hold to a certain code of conduct.

Yeah, I'm here.

And I 2nd what you and DrJ are saying about this thread, but I fear that these 2 points will be missed by the hubris of youth...

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