Appearing during the middle two hours, psychologist Christopher Holmes discussed the physics and metaphysics of higher consciousness and the mysteries of the heart.People have a divine spark within the heart, a kind of "zero point" center that corresponds to ideas in new science, he said. Humans work on the same physics that are applied to the universe, he explained, and consciousness is not just in the head but all through the body, and may be related to blood flow.

We exist in interpenetrating dimensions, and according to the esoteric teachings of luminaries such as H.P. Blavatsky, there are seven dimensions that include the physical, astral, and mental realms. The inner self comes down out of the higher dimensions-- one such higher realm is the sun, which is inhabited in the form of "fire bodies," he detailed, adding that a "paradise level" of spiritual existence might reside in Earth's upper atmosphere.

Holmes was critical of film projects such as The Secret, because of its focus on thoughts-creating-reality. He stressed that the heart or feeling aspect gives form to attributes. He also commented that the movie placed too much emphasis on material rather than mystical goals.

The last hour featured Open Lines. One caller shared an account of a conversation she had with an alleged hijacker several months before 9-11; another spoke of his self-removal of an "alien implant."