Cut that shit out. The team is slumping hard, disrespecting other teams (Rush Hour streamed until 5 AM last night) and deserving of criticism. This board is to discuss the team, and the discussion should not be happy in the wake of poor performance.

If that's true, I'd leave the subreddit. I'm not hear to see flowers and rainbows all day. A real CLG fan is hardened by seasons of disappointment and has earned the right to be hard on their team.

I can tell you with great certainty that CLG is the only NA team I want to see succeed, however they certainly need some criticism. I say all this as a long-term fan - since S1 prior to DoubleLift joining the team.

They are losing in picks and bans. I know Monte loves to laugh at the TSM Amazing Voli pick but seriously, our jungle is making equally questionable picks. A team with an analyst should never lose in draft - or very rarely. It's not like Curse was making KR level mind-game picks. When Trist shows and Cop has 0 record, you should think something is up. This is your job, for fucks sake! Seeing Double stream the day before LCS is infuriating.

It's hard to feel like they are taking this seriously now. From 1st to 4th in a manner of days? I feel like they aren't stepping it up for their fans at this point and becoming lax knowing they have their playoff slot. This is supposed to be our season. We have a very talented roster and a coach to match them, as well as a dedicated support staff. Losing in this manner does a disservice to the staff and the fans.

I just want them to shine when it comes to playoffs - if it means bombing 6 games in a row, fine. Bootcamp and come back looking like you want it. C'mon CLG, we believe in you. I've seen every member lose motivation before and this is what it looks like. I know the season is long but you're at the end of a tough road. Stop letting us down. I hope you step it up for those of us who have believed in you and followed you since inception...

There was a post on the front page of this sub less than 30 minutes ago that was taken down. I was on the subway and saw a lengthy post that was critical of the team, and it was gone when I got back home and wanted to read it.

As we announced earlier this week, spoilers in titles MUST be kept out of the title (at least) for at least 24 hours. If there are potential spoilers in the post/comments, we tell people to either resubmit the post with a [Spoiler] tag or place it in the Post Match Discussion thread.

I understand that this may be inconvenient, but the moderation team as a whole agreed that there are quite a few European redditors who are unable to watch the games live due to the lateness of CLG games.

If you could give me a brief description of the post, I could send you the link and the post.

We're typically DON'T remove posts that are critical if they have merit. If you have a reasonable point backed up with solid analysis/discussion , then we don't feel the need to remove posts. The only "critical" posts that we remove are the ones that both spoil games in the title/don't have a [Spoiler] tag AND provide no meaningful discussion to the topic at hand. One such example would be the "Seraph Hate thread which thought that we should replace Seraph with HotShot.

We firmly believe that his subreddit should SUPPORT our team and criticism is acceptable; however, bashing/flaming any of the team members is strictly what we are against as a subreddit.

If you want to verbally abuse/berate any of the CLG members, please take your complaints to the /r/leagueoflegends subreddit. We would like the criticism here to be constructive if possible and hopefully with the intent to better the team.

Dexter recently told me that he stopped reading the subreddit, (He used to regularly browse) because it had become a "cesspool" and we are working to remedy that situation. If the team members are AFRAID of coming onto this subreddit because of the negative things they might here, then I believe that we are doing something wrong.

If you have any more questions or complaints, I would be more than willing to respond to them. Once again I apologize for the delay in responding, but I was preoccupied with some things in real life.

I was pretty confused when I saw that Dlift was streaming all night. I know TSM and Curse are both on stricter schedules and i wonder if CLG doesn't see this and worry that other teams are going to surpass them simply by training better and harder. I know you can burn out from too much practice, but is LoL/CS:GO all night before a game really an ideal way to wind down?

To be fair, they had more than 12 hours after they stopped streaming before their match today, so I don't think sleep is necessarily the issue, their normal sleep schedule is probably something like 4am to noon anyway

Well I've been a fan since season 2 but I wouldn't say that new fans as of 2014 aren't 'real' fans. I think maintaining a positive/constructive outlook is crucial in maintaining integrity as a subreddit and fanbase. I personally hate it when comments come up like 'Wow seraph is so shit, please bench him'. I agree with pretty much everything else you said though.
All I ask of CLG is a strong showing at playoffs, play some great league of legends and deny TSM a spot at worlds. notalot:P

No they don't. Most EU teams for example have the mindset that an analyst is a waste do time and money and they wouldn't know better then the pros themselves. Most NA teams do not either, and some that do are only analyst in name only

I remember joining this subreddit when CLG was doing well. That doesn't mean I became a fan of them during this time. They are the team I have felt had the best idea of what they need to become whether it worked at the time or not. When CLG had some pretty embarrsing games, I began to see what kind of people inhabit this subreddit. It tends to be the fanboyish types that praise no matter what. I even asked to be invited to the Twitch chat, but immediately stopped using it when there was so much white knighting and even some just straight up bashing. Even after the last Curse vs CLG game, I saw some sappy, cliche post about how if we can't believe in them then how can they believe in themselves. I mean I kinda like to think my favorite team has thicker skin than that. They even disregard everything that the fans say in their interviews. I like to think they know more about the game than we do. That said, I think they'll be okay if we discuss the reasons behind their slump/embarrassing games.

The censorship is not only on this sub-reddit it's also in the CLGFighting chatroom. And it's a bit worse there, I have seen for 2 weeks now the mods will get stressed and just start permabanning the fuck out of people. Calling them Streamerino's or trolls when they are just saying things like. "Holyshit CLG fucking sucks right now! Argh" And then one person will be like " Nope, CLG is the best we are going to worlds =)" And then that guy get's in with the pro CLG guy they argue and he gets banned.

Ive seen it over and over again. And quite frankly it's very disappointing that it is happening. I thought Last week was a fluke when I saw it happen But then it happened again this week and I saw people get banned. Of course there were streamerino alts getting banned with obvious troll names but that is irrelevant. I have seen Turbo accounts get banned as well, no one makes a turbo alt again waste of money.

I just hope we see a better performance from the mods come the TSM vs CLG game. Honestly if we lose to TSM im sure everyone is going to be upset even more, probably irrationally angry. But I am curious to see how the mods respond to this Negativity in a reasonable matter.

I think they, as well as myself, might be tired that EVERY SINGLE TIME we lose you see the same posts of tumblr-like people that try to analyse everything and cure it. It's tiresome seeing "This is why we lost" posts after every loss. It always happens, after every loss, the threads are always there, and it's getting old.

I don't think you understand the point of a subreddit. It isn't "tumblr-like" people that are trying to "cure" the game. We're discussing what went wrong. And when a team acts this cocky, and falls flat on their faces 30 seconds later, they deserve to be criticized.

To be fair... It's one of those situations where it's like if you don't like it, leave the sub. This isn't /r/leagueoflegends, and it's nothing super official. Mods can do whatever they want. If they want to keep this a positive place, so be it. Maybe the CLG guys check this sub and see the negativity and it prevents them from interacting with us on here, and maybe that's why they remove it. Regardless, it's not your or my place to put out a demand for it to stop. Where do you get off telling them what to do?

This is pretty much exactly it. We lost, people who watched the game know why we lost, stop tunneling in on it. I'm annoyed with the team as well, but I keep an salty comments to the postgame threads instead of creating an entirely new thread to circlejerk around.