They've actually made a pretty great career for themselves. They split with their label over arguments about not staying commercial enough, formed their own label that they independently release albums through, still draw well on tour, and generally do their own thing on their own terms.

I used to make fun of them, too, but these days I have nothing but respect for them, even if I don't necessarily care for their music. Those dudes are talented and refused to bow to label pressure. Props to them.

/Also, Tinted Windows, the power pop band one of them had with members of Cheap Trick, Smashing Pumpkins and Fountains of Wayne, was pretty darn good