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All right, Bob Dylan is a mediocre musician. Is that better than overrated?

I suppose, but quite difficult to prove nonetheless, in my view. What makes him mediocre?

His singing annoys me so much. I also get bored because (to me) all of his songs sound exactly the same.

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Fair enough re: his singing. His voice is an acquired taste, of course, but one can say the same thing about just about any pop singers. Just curious, how much have you heard from the folk tradition? What do you think of Woody Guthrie or Jimmie Rodgers or even, say, Blind Willie Johnson?

As far as your point about his songs sounding "exactly the same," the only conclusion I can possibly draw is that you have not heard much of Dylan's music. I can't think of another artist in the last half century who engendered so much hostility from his audience on so many occasions simply because he changed the sound and style of his music.

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Fair enough re: his singing. His voice is an acquired taste, of course, but one can say the same thing about just about any pop singers. Just curious, how much have you heard from the folk tradition? What do you think of Woody Guthrie or Jimmie Rodgers or even, say, Blind Willie Johnson?

As far as your point about his songs sounding "exactly the same," the only conclusion I can possibly draw is that you have not heard much of Dylan's music. I can't think of another artist in the last half century who engendered so much hostility from his audience on so many occasions simply because he changed the sound and style of his music.

Fair enough. No, not the biggest folk fan. No, haven't heard much of his music. Mostly because I didn't like what I heard before.

Let's just agree to disagree.

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IveJustSeenAFaceo said

No, not the biggest folk fan. No, haven't heard much of his music.

This is why overrated/underrated discussions are so frustrating. Imagine
talking to someone who wrote off the Beatles as underrated because they heard "She Loves You
," "I Want To Hold Your Hand
," and "From Me To You
" and said that all their songs sounded the same and that they simply wrote trivial pop songs for teenyboppers.

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ivaughan said IveJustSeenAFaceo said

No, not the biggest folk fan. No, haven't heard much of his music.

This is why overrated/underrated discussions are so frustrating. Imagine
talking to someone who wrote off the Beatles as underrated because they heard "She Loves You
," "I Want To Hold Your Hand
," and "From Me To You
" and said that all their songs sounded the same and that they simply wrote trivial pop songs for teenyboppers.

I see your point.

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The Beatles are so overrated! I mean, I hear there are forums where all people do is talk about them!! Everyone on there thinks they are the greatest thing that ever happened to music! So glad I stay away from those people and listen to some good old 1D!

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Back to the real world, I agree with Faceo, I'm not the biggest Dylan fan...

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I hate Nirvana. All their songs sound the same and they're all really about wallowing in self pity.

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Well, the self-pity part's true to an extent, but I think they actually have a pretty fair amount of sonic variety within their limited instrumental palette.

Actually this thread kinda depresses me. (But hey, I've expressed my disdain for Oasis and R.E.M. and Radiohead, so call me a hypocrite.) So much great music out there and we all feel the need to step on someone's favourite. Sometimes I wonder if there are any closet Justin Bieber or One Direction fans around here who serenely refuse to speak up everytime one of those two gets dissed on this forum. At the least, I hope they would defend their opinions on the "Guilty Pleasures" thread - I haven't seen that one revived in a long time, so maybe they already have.

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I hate Nirvana. All their songs sound the same and they're all really about wallowing in self pity.

WHAT????? All the songs on the first album sound the same, but after that they're all so different! Cobain's probably the best songwriter to have started in the last 30 years.

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Well, the self-pity part's true to an extent, but I think they actually have a pretty fair amount of sonic variety within their limited instrumental palette.

Don't even have a response. Where do you come from in Radiohead hatred?

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One Direction, they haven't exactly done anything for music whatsoever so I hate it when they are compared with The Beatles

And if you mean genuine bands to be taken seriously, The Rolling Stones. I think they're quite overrated And I'm not a fan of Mick Jagger's voice

I also like some metal, but I find that whole category to be a little bit overrated Like it's good on occasions but I couldn't listen to it all the time or be a metalhead like my cousin(Who used to hate The Beatles until I showed him songs such as 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps
' and 'Eleanor Rigby
' which he liked because they are darker songs)

I also kind of find rap to be overrated, same as metal, it's good to listen to on occasions only

I think Beyonce is really overrated, she's okay but people make her out to be a musical goddess

I think a lot of singers sound the same nowadays, and when people go on the X factor with an 'amazing voice' it's not so amazing because it sounds the same as like every other contestants voice LOL (okay a bit of an exaggaration, but you see my point)

I was just coming over to mention The Rolling Stones. I can't listen to their music, except for Gimme Shelter, which is the only one I've heard that I liked. They don't sound good, and Jagger's voice is just awful.

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Von Bontee said
Well, the self-pity part's true to an extent, but I think they actually have a pretty fair amount of sonic variety within their limited instrumental palette.

Don't even have a response. Where do you come from in Radiohead hatred?

My "hatred" (more like "i-don't-wanna-know") is indeed pretty undeserved, considering that I've only heard "OK Computer", and played it less than five times! But it bored me when it wasn't annoying me, and I got sick of reading about them for the last 20 years, so I just basically wrote them off. Unfair of me, I know; but post-90s bands have a hard time in general making an impression on my ears. There are so few sonic holes in my brain left to fill, it seems.

Maybe I should try "Kid A" and see if I like that one? Or is it even worth it?

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Interesting. They've got so many different styles. I'd definitely recommend Kid A, but it's not exactly an easy listen. A kind of combination that's far more accessible is In Rainbows. That's probably their most human album, and (in my opinion) their best one outside of OK Computer and Kid A. (did you at least like Paranoid Android? For me, that's easily the best song since 1990, and it's probably top 10 all time.)

Oh, and I'd say I have the same thing with post '90 bands, but really 3 of my 5 favorite bands are mostly post '90. (Radiohead at 2, Green Day at 4, Nirvana at 5)

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LikeASir said
I hate Nirvana. All their songs sound the same and they're all really about wallowing in self pity.

I don't really like Nirvana either, but it's one of my best friends' favorite band so I've been trying to listen to some of their music... I kinda like About a Girl and Heart-Shaped Box always gets stuck in my head, but I'm not a big fan. Their music just makes me feel... Negative. Which is why I like the Beatles, they're songs are mostly upbeat, and the sad ones are more... touching, I guess, than depressing.

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The one act i fail to see the point in or attraction of are The Carpenters. I think there are a few of their fans on this forum but there is no other band i can think of who bore me so much that it surpasses that and sinks quickly into real annoyance where i am desperate for it to end. Its middle of the road safe music that i detest, their cover of Help! is a massive crime against music and should be buried under the earth for all eternity but its not the only one. I honestly cannot express how much i detest them and fail to see what they did for music or why they are liked by anyone.

Nirvana i've never gotten into. Come As You Are is ok (if listened to once every 2 years) but i have zero desire to explore their legacy.

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I do agree that The Rolling Stones are overrated, but for completely different reasons. Honestly, I haven't heard even half of their repertoire, nor have I paid close attention to the songs I have heard, but there is no escaping that The Rolling Stones are a good band. What I believe to be their significant place in the music history are their riffs. Man, every Rolling Stones riff is a mother to another riff produced by whichever band that came after them. As for Jagger's voice, well, his vocal range obviously consists of two to three notes which he can't hit properly, but have you heard Angie? I don't think there's someone out there who can sing that song better. Mich Jagger is not a singer, in my opinion, but a rockstar. The Rolling Stones rock in general. That's what is important for a rock band.

But yes, the thought 'overrated' comes to mind when so many people refer to them as one of the greatest bands in rock history. Not even close. They have screwed their place among the greatest by pursuing a career as band for half a century. When a band plays so long, they ought to write some horrible, horrible songs and make some horrible, horrible shows. That's like spitting on their good stuff. Had they saved their best songs over the last 30-something years for one or two great albums, The Rolling Stones would have been a much better band, and no one would dare to say that they are overrated.

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I hate Nickelback! Ugghh, just makes me wanna puke!

As far as One Direction, come on, made up band with songs written for them. They are the Monkees of this generation!

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First, I've heard Exile On Main St. and Let It Bleed which are supposed to be some of their best.

Second, Bongo, does anyone think Nickelback is actually good?

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I still think How you remind me or whatever it's called is a good song. Their only good song. I just hate Chad Kroeger's voice.

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