noonan tokarlroveassuredthem they would be in the white house by this time so they're understandably shock and distressed and poor speaker john boehner is hopelessly stuck in that stage. his is, of course, willful denial. a stubborn refusal to recognize reality are. but it is denial nonetheless. today, he dug in his heels. he refused to budge. he released a statement blaming the president for the impasse saying "we don't have time for the president to continue shifting the goalposts. we need to solve this problem." in fact, his approach all along has been to deny reality altogether. his plan is essentially a rehash of mitt romney's. closing loopholes to raise revenue and remember, mitt romney lost. and democrats of course, rightly are calling him out on it. representative sandra levin who released a statement yesterday saying that republicans "remain in a state of denial." well, here he is on monday, going even further. >> the republicans have a major decision to make. and that is essentially wh

recently, two billionaire-backed groups, one associated with the koch brothers, one withkarlrove's networkof mysterious givers, these two groups donated over 60% of grover norquist's budget. i mean, isn't that what's really going on with the system, that the lobbyists chiefly presenting a more -- preventing a more equitable tax system is beholden to the plutocrats? >> money plays way too big a part in our political system today. you know, from both sides. you know, there's way too much money coming into it -- that there's no control over it, that what you have -- well, let me tell you -- in my book, bill, i probably have the most extreme position on this than anybody, because what i have proposed in terms of political campaigns, that no money should come from any source other than from individual human beings. i would get rid of political action committee money, political party money, labor union money, corporate money. you know, i would go down to small amounts that are instantly reported, all transparent. i think we have to do that, because it is this money pouring in -- what

money. i hate you. $40 million went tokarlrove's cross roads which only had a 4% success rate. >> a lot of holes in the dessert. some of them got batties in them. >> stephanie: if karl rove were to get hit by a bag, if he steps on a bag of vipers we might know where to look. shortly thereafter there will be a giant cartoon hand knocking on mr. mr. adelson's door. >> vipers everywhere you look. >> stephanie: okay. we're just kidding. >> [ inaudible ] is lousy with vipers. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: okay. allison also -- >> that shakespeare statue vipers. >> stephanie: pure vipers. >> that statue of [ inaudible ]. made up of pure broken glass. >> broken glass. >> [ inaudible ] made of broken glass. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: adelson doled out $15 million to the coach brothers $6.5 million to the jewish coalition. he said he had been motivated to act because he felt vilified by the obama administration after his businesses were investigated. he is being unfairly prosecuted for bribing and money laundering. >> yes. hum. in most places that is considered a crime

. >> norquist's big backers are republican operatives, cross roads gps, the superpack led by kingpinkarlroveandthe center to protect patient rights. closely tied to the ultra conservative cook brothers. they account for a majority of the budget and there's no sign that they're running scared. norquist truly believes that best way to grow the economy is to tame big government. he told me recently he will be vindicated no matter how many politicians break the pledge. what happens if they break the pledge? you have money behind you. you pile on and try to get defeated in the next election? >> these are self enforcing. why? because the american people, the elected people who they want to reform government rather than raise taxes. >> norquist is clearly looking toward the 2014 midterm elections. one high profile figure from the fix the debt movement knows that norquist's clout is clearly waning. >> i don't view this as some -- as the end of grover norquist. i don't think he suddenly disappears. but i think his ora of invincibility has largely shattered. >> so can grover convince his pledge sign

by norquist. norquist far more powerful thankarlroveandfox news. >> you do believe that? >> much more. he could destroy any republican who goes against the pledge. he's really powerful. i have known grover for years. >> even though democrats won the presidential election? doesn't that change the calculus? >> he would say these people are all safe seats if they don't get against the pledge. norquist has the division so to speak. he could destroy any republican who says the word tax increase. has he said -- he said if they're seduced by democrats in pure thoughts this is the so-called i can smell pornography when i see it. this is pornography for grover norquist. he can smell it when he sees it. he will target. he will destroy republicans who go against the pledge. he's much more powerful than any individual republican. and individual ceo. let's just face it. i've always felt he was the most powerful person in the class of '76 at harvard. enjoyed his success because he was a fellow member of the harvard crimson. i just disagree with him. terrific guy. >> with friends like that -- >> with al

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