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Kaname's voice sounds... strange to me. It's like he's recovering from a bout of a smoker's cough. His characterization is an archetype of the fallen hero, or something like that. He's a bit too perfect for my taste, but he's certainly acceptable as a cool character. ^^

I hate his character, seriously..but as for why it's kinda hard to explain.

Spoiler for spoilers:

First of all, I hate the way he acts like HE IS NOT EVERYONES boss and goes on about that friendship crap when in fact he is just psychologically controlling them. (vampires)
Second, he said himself that he has an evil character...but no, you are not evil you just have major issues.
Third, I hate the way he uses Zero.
Fourth, for forcing Yuuki to be his "lover" in return for her past.
Fifth, he is sneaky schemer.
Sixth, he bitch slaps Aidou a lot
Ah anyway, he is just a very unlikable character.

I hate his character, seriously..but as for why it's kinda hard to explain.

Spoiler for spoilers:

First of all, I hate the way he acts like HE IS NOT EVERYONES boss and goes on about that friendship crap when in fact he is just psychologically controlling them. (vampires)
Second, he said himself that he has an evil character...but no, you are not evil you just have major issues.
Third, I hate the way he uses Zero.
Fourth, for forcing Yuuki to be his "lover" in return for her past.
Fifth, he is sneaky schemer.
Sixth, he bitch slaps Aidou a lot
Ah anyway, he is just a very unlikable character.

I completely understand you...

I don't really hate Kaname, but he is too cool towards everyone eles. Makes it extremely hard for me to understand him...he feels too distant unlike others(same to Zero, but double that. What's up with his attitude? Now HE is the real jerk there...)

I hate his character, seriously..but as for why it's kinda hard to explain.

Spoiler for spoilers:

First of all, I hate the way he acts like HE IS NOT EVERYONES boss and goes on about that friendship crap when in fact he is just psychologically controlling them. (vampires)
Second, he said himself that he has an evil character...but no, you are not evil you just have major issues.
Third, I hate the way he uses Zero.
Fourth, for forcing Yuuki to be his "lover" in return for her past.
Fifth, he is sneaky schemer.
Sixth, he bitch slaps Aidou a lot
Ah anyway, he is just a very unlikable character.

Spoiler for my reply:

1.) Kaname isn't forcing anything on anyone. He even feels as if he's being spoiled too much by his "friends". The other vampires simply justs wants to follow his orders. And I don't see anything wrong w/ that. They've been friends since kids. Check out Aidou's? flashback were he first met kaname and how they've become friends.

2.) He's evil alright. Anyone who does something bad at Yuuki will face a pitiful end.

3.) Thanks to that; Zero is now saved from turning into a level-E and is able to be w/ Yuuki more. Sad though that he's EMO now and even pointed a gun right at Yuuki. Good thing is he's in prison; he clearly needs some time to think.

4.) He ask Yuuki to talk to him alone; But no; Yuuki drag Zero w/ her. Who wouldn't be pissed at that. And I don't think Kaname would want Zero to learn all of Yuuki's past. And I see it as a escape way made by Kaname because of that.

5.) He does his things on the dark side; unseen by us. He's protecting Yuuki from afar. Destroying future problems that might occur. (If Rido's fiancee is still alive who knows what could've she had done)

6.) lol. I don't remember anything like that in the manga. It's been a long time since I read the first few chapters.

lol. Too bad I already posted all my discussion about Kaname in the manga thread. Oh well. Just one thing to say is that Kaname is a misjudged and a misunderstood character; both by those within the story and by the readers.

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Originally Posted by Zaseka

I hate his character, seriously..but as for why it's kinda hard to explain.

Spoiler for spoilers:

First of all, I hate the way he acts like HE IS NOT EVERYONES boss and goes on about that friendship crap when in fact he is just psychologically controlling them. (vampires)
Second, he said himself that he has an evil character...but no, you are not evil you just have major issues.
Third, I hate the way he uses Zero.
Fourth, for forcing Yuuki to be his "lover" in return for her past.
Fifth, he is sneaky schemer.
Sixth, he bitch slaps Aidou a lot
Ah anyway, he is just a very unlikable character.

Spoiler for major manga spoilers:

ONE: It was said in the manga that purebloods do have the ability to control other lesser vampires to do their bidding BUT Kaname chose not to use that power. So what the other vampires around him are doing is out of their own free will. That is why Ichirou was able to turn against him. So I can't agree with you here.

TWO: Kaname can be very cruel and he knows this; that is why he said that he himself is evil. He can openly murder Shizuka with very little regret and killed that vampire that attacked Yuuki at the beginning of the story with not so much as the blink of an eye. He can destroy Rido in revenge for his family and still kept that hatred of Rido strong within him. He is not hesitant to strongly and coldly reprimand his vampire followers and friends should they do anything against him regarding those he love. If that does not say cruelty, then I fail to see what else would. The only thing that saves Kaname from being outright sinister is the fact that he does all this for those he loves. But that still does not erase the fact that his actions are evil.

THREE: I admit Kaname does use Zero to a certain extent but he never does it to the point of bringing any harm to Zero. Kaname is forced to play his cards in order to protect the woman he loves, to protect his clan, and to protect the pacifist treaty he and the Headmaster has worked hard to set up. If Kaname does not push Zero in the right direction, there will probably be more harm to those around them than good; since we can see that there are many other vampires out there who are scheming for the destruction and control of the human race - and the one in their way is Kaname. If Zero does not want to be used and be a victim, he must learn to take action for himself.

FOUR: Kaname does not force Yuuki to be his lover. He asked her once, she agreed but even then he still did not bite her. When Kaname does come to bite Yuuki and return her to her vampire self, it is because he has to. If Kaname had not acted immediately Yuuki would have been captured by Rido and forced to drink Rido's blood by Ichiru (who was just one floor below them during that time). That is why Kaname said that she must awaken before she is destroyed. So it was because of the circumstance that Kaname was forced to turn Yuuki back to a vampire (and his sad expression shows that he regrets to an extent) in order to save her.

FIVE: Kaname schemes only to protect his clan, the woman he loves, and the pacifist treaty. As we see clearly, the vampire council and the vampire hunter heads are scheming as well, for the destruction of the peaceful coexistence between vampires and humans. In order to fight back, Kaname must make plans of his own. In order to have peace, one must fight. To fight is not bad in itself but the reason for why one fights determines whether it is evil or not. Simply hating Kaname because he has personal plans and not knowing why or for what reason he has those plans, is unreasonable.

now i finally get why kaname said "all the pieces are here" during the Shizuka arc. so basically he did everything for the person he loved, though it is kind of cold that he's using Zero to eliminate his enemy so he can be with Yuuki, the girl that Zero also loves. Though this seems like the climax of the manga already, which would be pretty unfortunate because this has a lot of potential.

Frankly, I am disappointed in you. I knew you were scheming all for the sake of Yuuki but now I have to correct myself and say that you were scheming mostly for the sake of Yuuki, because now I see that you are also partly using the situation to save yourself. But that is not the fact that I'm disappointed in you (although it does disturb me to know how far you went with your plans, especially regarding how much you manipulated poor Zero - it was a bit beyond what I expected ). I am disappointed because you are running away with Yuuki and leaving Zero behind to clean up all the mess. And here I was hoping that you would have the backbone to actually face Rido in a final showdown. I understand that because of your curse you may not be able to kill him but at least try for freaking sake. Of course, this may have been the smartest and perhaps only way but I'm still disappointed (or maybe I should blame the mangaka ).

Well, many things still yet to occur so we'll see how the events will finally unfold.

But after c39, Zero and Kaname are on equal level in my book (not that they were that much apart to begin with ). But I guess this does go to show what I said earlier, how Kaname is very much like Rido but it is his love for Yuuki that saves him from being so.

Frankly, I am disappointed in you. I knew you were scheming all for the sake of Yuuki but now I have to correct myself and say that you were scheming mostly for the sake of Yuuki, because now I see that you are also partly using the situation to save yourself. But that is not the fact that I'm disappointed in you (although it does disturb me to know how far you went with your plans, especially regarding how much you manipulated poor Zero - it was a bit beyond what I expected ). I am disappointed because you are running away with Yuuki and leaving Zero behind to clean up all the mess. And here I was hoping that you would have the backbone to actually face Rido in a final showdown. I understand that because of your curse you may not be able to kill him but at least try for freaking sake. Of course, this may have been the smartest and perhaps only way but I'm still disappointed (or maybe I should blame the mangaka ).

Well, many things still yet to occur so we'll see how the events will finally unfold.

But after c39, Zero and Kaname are on equal level in my book (not that they were that much apart to begin with ). But I guess this does go to show what I said earlier, how Kaname is very much like Rido but it is his love for Yuuki that saves him from being so.

Nice post but. If it isn't for Kaname. Zero would be long dead ages ago. Be thankful or else this manga would have ended like w/in 4 volumes or so.

EDIT: Oh yeah I'm not a KanamexYuuki fanboy. For all I care Yuuki can just chase Zero(like what she always do) and tell him she loves him and all that crap. Ruka or Seiren is the one for Kaname. Don't diss him. He's the only character in this trainwreck series who knows what he needs to do enable to secure the one he loves and himself. Everything just lands on the palm of his hands. Kaname's lucky. lol.

To both NoOneKnows and PreSage. Usually I really hate it when at a certain character discussion thread someone quotes me and writes all kind of subjective arguments on my post. People please this thread in all is based on ones view on a certain character and I just stated mine. So I will not argue with your opinions, I'll just add some more depth to mine.

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First of all, I hate the way he acts like HE IS NOT EVERYONES boss and goes on about that friendship crap when in fact he is just psychologically controlling them. (vampires)

I'll explain more on the psychological part. Something like an ultimate obedience does not exist, neither is one born with the power to make people obey, at least not literally. (unless you have Lulu's geass )
What makes people obedient is either
1.superiority (in power, rank, ability) example: your teacher, boss, parents, king, government...
2. respect example: can be some of the above + friends except that you don't fear him/her
3.bonds, can be like respect or it can be deeper like for a lover.

All these points can make you obey someone in a certain situation. So lets take Kaname's case here. He claims he is not forcing anything on anyone, well nope that is not true even in the most primary case. So my claim here is, that he is perfectly aware of his standard, power and the fact that all the vampires are obedient to him because of at least one of the above stated points. In Ichirou's case he was influenced by his grandfather and Rido.

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Second, he said himself that he has an evil character...but no, you are not evil you just have major issues.

If I would claim that he is an evil character I would be unjust to all the real evil/murderous bastards out there in anime. That is why I said he has issues. (be it Yuuki or for his own personal benefit) So either the mangaka made him up to be the sucker in the end or she just tried to much while making him up. If you ask me, it's the first.

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Third, I hate the way he uses Zero.

As I obviously didn't read the latest chapter while writing the above statement, I must say my point was right on. Even before ch.39 he literally used him as a shield for Yuuki, knowing that he would never betray her. (again his psychological influence) After reading chapter 39, this literally became a fact. He is making use of him like a puppet for his own benefits. At this point I (we) am/are not really certain while he himself can't kill Rido.. but using him like that..well basically it relates to the first point, as he uses his verbal attacks on people.

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Fourth, for forcing Yuuki to be his "lover" in return for her past.

Again his psychological/verbal skills/attack. Of course, she will agree on the lover part, he didn't really give her a choice there, did he? Since she wanted to know about her past. And either way, even if she wouldn't agree on that, he would still awaken her because of Rido. So again he uses his wit to pressure her.

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Fifth, he is sneaky schemer.

Ok, I'll have to take your comments her for an explanation since you all agreed on it.
Yes, everyone is scheming, but they are quite open about it compared to Kaname.
Oh, and I didn't really solely base the "sneaky schemer" on all the revelations about the vampires and council...I was aiming it to Yuuki and Zero too. If you know what I mean.

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Sixth, he bitch slaps Aidou a lot

As it seems pretty irrelevant, in my opinion it shows his true character.
It shows his natural tendency of being the boss.

So to sum things up, I generally hate people who make use of other just because they are a little less witted, not to say a little ignorant. I consider it equally as a verbal attack, only that it's not really visible to the one being used. That's why we, the readers are here, to point it out. Yuuki don't be deceived!