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I've noticed recently from some Iranians that many ppl take the game between Iran vs Bahrain very emotionally and personally. There was something about, last time the two teams played against each other 4 yrs ago, the Bahraini team had disrespected Iran with a saudi flag???

I don't really like football and couldn't care less about football fights, but obviously there's some real hard feelings that have come out of the games. Does know what exactly happened?

In the last world cup qualifications, Bahrain was in the same group as Iran and Saudi. When they played, Bahrain won 3-? but they didn't get qualified cuz they didn't have enough points. The only one who got qualified was Saudi, and so that is why Bahrain was happy because they'd rather have Saudi go to the world cup instead of Iran.

There has been many political problems, if not in the open, between Arab countries and Iran. When I say I support Iran, they actually get mad at me, and I do have the freedom to support any team I want.

If you would like to know more about their games, then they played in the Asian Cup and Iran won. They played in this years qualifications once, and they both got 1 point cuz no one won. They will be playing again on 9th June I guess.

Anyway, some people here just relate football to politics or just because they could be racist sometimes. :)

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I've noticed recently from some Iranians that many ppl take the game between Iran vs Bahrain very emotionally and personally. There was something about, last time the two teams played against each other 4 yrs ago, the Bahraini team had disrespected Iran with a saudi flag???

I don't really like football and couldn't care less about football fights, but obviously there's some real hard feelings that have come out of the games. Does know what exactly happened?

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Yes, Bahrain kept faking injuries to waste time and completely frustrated the Iranian team, not to mention the fans. It was such a theatrical show and unbelievable lack of sportsmanship and fair game on the part of Bahrain. After the time ran out, the Bahrain team ran across the field with a Saudi flag - speculation is that Saudi Arabia paid Bahrain to throw the game that way. Well Saudi Arabia went on to suck and wasted a perfectly good World Cup slot.

Edited June 8, 2005 by Katayon

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My issue was the fact that the Bahraini players were running around with the SAUDI flag (knowing Saudi and the Bahraini regime rapes Shi'is), which showed these people were Panarabs and paid by Saudi Arabia to play ugly.

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It was actually worse than that. Wha proved it was the fact that even at school the next day they were dancing around and they were NOT even qualified. So that means either they were happy they beat Iran because it's Iran or they were happy because Saudi gets to go and NOT Iran.

I actually met the players before the game and took some pictures. Everything seemed normal and no one thought that would be the resault. It's been years, but I still die a little bit every time I remember. Now the game tomorrow should settle things for the 3 time. Becuase since then the two teams played twice, once Iran won and the other time no one did.

GGC country teams know nothing about sportsmanship. It's like that want to prove to themselves that they can actually beat other teams while at the same time Iranians think of football as a sport.

It was funny though, how Germany won Saudi on that WC. Was it 7-0 or 8-0?

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My issue was the fact that the Bahraini players were running around with the SAUDI flag (knowing Saudi and the Bahraini regime rapes Shi'is), which showed these people were Panarabs and paid by Saudi Arabia to play ugly.

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Salam Sis/bro Irani88, I don't believe I've had the pleasure of making your acquaintance. Its good to see more Bahraini ajams on the board :D

Don't you notice, that even when it comes to sports the bahraini authorities can't hide their ugly face. I mean even when it comes to football, they favour sunni players over Shi'i ones. They even have Syrians in the team while Shi'i players are a minority. What was even more disgusting was last year, after the Asian Cup, they had to come on TV and praise the King, whom "without him they wouldn't have played well" :huh:

The fact that they ran around with the Saudi flag just shows what kind of ppl they are! They could have just won and walked away, but obviously they had to act like idiots. It seems like they decided to take a simple football game beyond sports and disrespect an entire nation.

LOL I'm no football fan, but i seriously hope team melli boys will beat them in Azadi Stadium today. they must leave an ever-lasting mark on the mind of this team, so they dont ever think about disrespecting Iran!

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They are so desperate that they import Sunni Arabs and give them citizenship, allow Saudis to vote (!) in Bahraini elections, etc.

They do give citizenship to Syrians, Yemenies, Jordanians..etc It's true, they even allow them to work in the ministries I mentioned above when Shia Bahrainies aren't allowed.

But about Saudies voting, I can't say it's true, although Saudi basically runs this country which is why Bahrain declares the beginning of Ramadhan when Saudi does. Along with America off course as it's the same way with other Arabian countries.

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The problem with the ME and soccer is that they make it so political, its quite pathetic. I'll give you an example...

At any soccer game in the ME, the fans in the stadium will raise a picture of their leader (EX: If Egypt is playing, they'll raise Mubarak's pic, if Kuwait;'s playing, they'll raise Jabber's pic) which shows how pathetic it is because what do the political leaders have to do with the game? Absolutely nothing...I understand if they raise the flag, but what's with the pic of their president/king/PM

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ceasing manipulation of Bahrain's demographic makeup through political naturalisation of foreigners and extension of voting rights to citizens of Saudi Arabia.

If you mean that then I should tell you this.

1) Like I said I am Shia and we have the right to practice anything, I can show you pictures from Muharram and Non Muharram events.

2) There are Shia scholars on the political boards of the government.

3) The only voting that happened here was for the support of Al Methaq, which involved the new rules so what would Saudies get if they voted? Another voting was for the boards of Shoora and another one called Baladeya. A person represents each part of the country and you can not vote unless you belong to that part. They have to look at your block code to know if you do. How is it going to effect Saudies if they voted and how will they allow them when they don't have the right block number?

There are no elections that concern Bahrain's relation with other countries or any elections concering the person to rule because it's a kingdom now and the royal family is the one ruling right now and that won't change, only in a few cases.

I am Persian and a Shia, but I will not say things that aren't true just because the country is actually Sunni because that is not what God (SWT) , Rasool Allah (pbuh) and Ahlul Bait (as) told us to do. As much as I would like to live in Shia countries and stuff, this country has given me alot and I am not a peron to deny. If you have given me that article before the current king came to ruling then I might have believed because then not many were allowed to talk and there was no freedom of speech. The things they gave us now might not be from the goodness of their hearts, but they did give them.

This does not mean I support them 100% because I don't. The country has many faults that I believe should be corrected, but then again so does every country.

Maybe, just maybe, people heard something about allowing Saudies to vote. I'm saying they might have just thought the possibility is true.

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"The elections held in October 2002, the latest in a long line of reform initiated by Bahrain’s young King Shaikh Hamad bin Issa Al Khalifa, have earned Bahrain worldwide respect and esteem.

Such respect was evident in the comments made by British MP Nigel Evans in a party hosted in the honor of Crown Prince and BDF Commander-in-Chief Shaikh Salman bin Hamad Al Khalifa. The King received a written message from the British Prime Minister Tony Blair, delivered by the British Ambassador to Bahrain, Peter Ford, offering congratulations on the success of the parliamentary elections. Blair was particularly happy about the participation of women in the elections. The European Union also spoke warmly of the elections. “Bahrain and the Bahraini people have taken important steps towards the development of a democratic state,” the Danish EU presidency said in a statement in Copenhagen about last month’s landmark vote.

Given such remarks, Information Minister Nabeel Al Hamer was more than justified in saying that the coming days would boost Bahrain's democratic experience, which in turn would enhance the kingdom's status, its civilized history and its relations with other nations.

The latest accolades Bahrain has received for its democratic reforms and advances in human rights have come from Italy and the United Nations Development Programme. On the 10 December Bahrain celebrated the 54th anniversary of Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The Resident Representative of the UNDP in Bahrain, Dr Khaled Alloush, took this occasion to stress that “Bahrain has advanced significantly in the field of human rights.” This, he said has been manifest particularly in recent strides made in promoting freedom of association and organization of workers, provision of free health services and education, freedom of religion and the institution of political rights of citizens through recent elections. “Undoubtedly, the Kingdom has done much in the field of human rights but there’s always room for improvement”.

While opening the new Italian embassy in Bahrain, Italian senator and Under-Secretary for Foreign Affairs Alfredo Mantica took the opportunity to highlight the fact that "The whole world has been watching with admiration the pioneering democratisation process in Bahrain, as compared with the traditional set-up of the Arab society"."

Regarding "we have the right to practise everything" sounds rather naive.

You are 70-75% of the nation and you can't run your own country. In other words, you cannot practise anything. A nation who doesn't decide over their own future are hostages. You are being held hostage by a Panarab ruler.

I have very high esteem for all the international human rights agencies and I doubt they would say things without due research and investigation.

I didn't say that you should leave your country, I said that you should abolish the monarchy and establish a majority rule of shi'i.

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Sis Irani88, I'm surprised that you didnt know many Saudis have Bahraini passports. I remember even the bedhouin taxi-driver in Dammam took out the red passport and showed it to us. During the elections in 2002, the authorities had set poll centres near the King Fahd causeway specifically for the Saudis to come and vote. They want to change the demographics of the island in every possible way and want to show the world that Shia are only a small majority.

This is why the majority of the Shia are boycotting the elections. The parliament is not representative in any way -you get 500 people voting for 1 MP in Rifa' (Bahrain's Tikrit), and 13,000 voting for 1 MP in the Northern District. In that sense, the parliament is not representative of the majority, and the minority (wahabis like Alsaidi and co) are given a louder voice than they deserve. The fact is, the way the electoral boundaries are drawn, the salafi/wahabis will always get into the parliament whether we boycott or not. It is absolutely clear that pressure from Within is not effective. The constitution cannot be ammended in this bicameral system, and ultimatly the KING has VETO.

Regarding Shia "scholars" in political board: I'm not sure who you're talking about, but if its the MP Al-Aali, then i don't think its fair to call him a "scholar", not every turbanhead is a scholar. Personally, I think the the mullahs in Bahrain have done ALOT of damage already, when they were fooled by the King in 2001. The 80 yr struggle of the Shia for a fair constitution, was lost the day those guys agreed to the King's so-called reforms...which ended up with the 2002 constitution. Thats my opinion... I know many Shia Bahrainis dont agree with me, because unfortunaetly we're not allowed to criticize the "religious leadership". but the truth is they acted alone and they didnt want to take the advice from the opposition in London and Damascus, which had alot more experience... now we're in a dead-end situation.

Anyways, on the issue of religious freedom, waiting has already answered it. I just want to point that despite the fact that we're a majority, our views are not represented in religious education. In schools our children are taught that the Al Khalifa invasion was a sort of "fat7", as if the Shia of Bahrain were kuffar before the Khalifite conquest. There are heaps of examples where the regime doesnt respect the religious freedom of the Shia, but unfortunately many ppl have become immune to it.

If you have time, I think you should have a look at www.vob.org

salams

P.S.

Are you ajam?

Bale manam iraniam mesle khodetoon

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Bahrain is the most unsportsmanlike in soccer. They limited Iranian fans to 300 in Manama, and caged them up like animals. They spend most of the time in matches rolling on the grass faking fouls. They openly support Saudi Arabia during matches between Iran. Anyways, Bahrain are eliminated and Iran made it to the World cup. Iran all the way! :wub: Bahrain, you guys SUCK! :mad:

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Now that you've mentioned the Saudies with Bahraini passports then I would have to step back because you didn't mention that before.

Bahrain allowes a citizen to have another passport from another country which is the exact same case with some of us Iranians. But if the person has the Bahraini passport regardless of how he got it and regardless of the reasons why he shouldn't have, he is technically a citizen.

If America allowed a person to have 2 passports and I had a Bahraini one and an American then I would have the right to vote in the American elections.

And I did agree with you on the fact that giving citizenship to anyone is wrong.

The reason why I said we have the right to practice our beliefs is because I thought you meant anything religious. And not political.

I wish, as much as any other Shia, that they would stop teaching kids sunni beliefs at school and stuff. But the first step to take before doing that is changing the whole government system and that is not easy and I'll you why:

1) The GCC countries are all Sunni and they will not allow it especially Saudi Araba who will only complain about it to the states and then, well I guess you know the US.

2) Sadly, the Shia here aren't as connected as they're supposed to be. Many Iranian Shias don't like Arab Shias and vice versa.

3) As a Persian, I don't think I should be the one to try and change because both the Sunni Arabs and Shia Arabs actually hate us. It's funny, but Shia Arabs actually say that the first thing they'd want to do when they get to rule is send Persians back to Iran.

4) We're not being held hostage by anyone other than America, just like most Arabian countries and I mentioned that before.

I know you didn't ask me to move out. But sometimes the politics in a country gets too nasty and I don't always believe in force.

What happened in Iran about throwing out the Shah was different:

1) They had the right leader. Imam Khomaini was a gifted person, he had the brains and he knew what's right and what's wrong. Here, we don't have that kind of a person and if we did they wouldn't want to be involved.

2) In Iran, there are more people and the country is bigger so if one backed out the other won't and their goal was one.

I know Iran has nothing to do with this but the concept is the same, fight for your rights.

How can we when we're not even united? When Shias fight and hit each other because they have different marjas (Khamenie & Shirazi).

You tell me one reasonable was we can fix ourselves in order to fight what's against us.

And by the way, I'm almost 100% sure the government knows about our inner problems and it only makes them happier.