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Post subject: Re: What the fork is up with public-transport-related shooti

Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:00 pm

Flat Chesty McNoBoobs

Joined: Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:41 amPosts: 9232Location: Portland

I was away for 5 days and came back last night to hear about the drastic story change. That seems MAJORLY sketchy to me. I also read that this "hardened criminal" actually had some juvenile offenses on his record only, nothing adult.

If it were anyone other than the police that were trying to defend their actions, the investigators would be using the rapidly changing story as evidence that they're obviously hiding something. I hope there's a major investigation, because even if the cops were totally in the right in their actions, the way this incident has been handled is appalling.

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Post subject: Re: What the fork is up with public-transport-related shooti

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:02 am

Not NOT A Furry

Joined: Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:16 amPosts: 466

jordanpattern wrote:

I was away for 5 days and came back last night to hear about the drastic story change. That seems MAJORLY sketchy to me. I also read that this "hardened criminal" actually had some juvenile offenses on his record only, nothing adult

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Harding, who served 22 months in prison for attempting to force a 14-year-old girl into prostitution

doesn't sound to minor to me...not that it justifies what happened

don't get me wrong I dislike and distrust the police as much as anyone but that dosent mean they are always lying. Whether the guy accidentally shot himself because he was being shot at or whether the cops shot him, it was not justified in my mind...fare evasion isnt worth it, let him run

Post subject: Re: What the fork is up with public-transport-related shooti

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:17 am

Flat Chesty McNoBoobs

Joined: Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:41 amPosts: 9232Location: Portland

SkepticalVegan wrote:

jordanpattern wrote:

I was away for 5 days and came back last night to hear about the drastic story change. That seems MAJORLY sketchy to me. I also read that this "hardened criminal" actually had some juvenile offenses on his record only, nothing adult

Quote:

Harding, who served 22 months in prison for attempting to force a 14-year-old girl into prostitution

doesn't sound to minor to me...not that it justifies what happened

don't get me wrong I dislike and distrust the police as much as anyone but that dosent mean they are always lying. Whether the guy accidentally shot himself because he was being shot at or whether the cops shot him, it was not justified in my mind...fare evasion isnt worth it, let him run

Oops! The articles I read didn't mention that offense, so apologies for my mis-statement.

I agree that the cops aren't always lying, but I do work in a field where I read their reports (including a lot of SFPD reports) several hours each day. It's been really, really shocking how many falsifications and material omissions I catch. That has definitely coloured the way I see stories like this.

The thing that bothers me about this case is that though there were many witnesses, it took, what, a week for the police to solidify their story. I think that makes the story a lot less credible. I'm concerned with the way this was reported on as well, with many media outlets taking the police statements as truth, when there appeared to be a lot of different versions of what actually happened.

Maybe Harding was the worst person on earth, but I don't think that justifies the way this was handled or the police actions at the time of his killing.

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Post subject: Re: What the fork is up with public-transport-related shooti

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:18 am

Not NOT A Furry

Joined: Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:16 amPosts: 466

Ok after further reviewing the evidence I feel that the cops MAY have been justified in firingthe Shoot Spotter data (a series of microphones designed to pinpoint gunshots) seems to indicated that the suspect fired first. Here is the map that was generated showing the locations of the shots.

The ballistic evidence also seems to point to the suspect firing at the officers"Kenneth Harding Had Gunshot Residue on His Hand, Police Say" - http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/201 ... hot_re.phpThe caliber of the bullet in Hardings lung and head matched his own gun rather than the officers gunhttp://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/201 ... g_shot.phpI find it hard to believe that he was able to intentional or accidentally self-inflict both those shots but I find it about as equally hard to believe that the ballistics evidence is falsified or that if it is that will be kept under wraps for very long

Also in addition to the prostitution charge I mentioned earlier, it appears Harding may have been pursued with such vigor because he was A. a parolee and B. a person of interest in the shooting death of 19 year old Tanaya Gilbert

While I strongly support a citizens rights to defend themselves in any manner from unjust assault by the police, I am also willing concede that at least as human beings that cops have a right to defend themselves if fired upon.

Im not sure where I stand on this case at the moment but Im feeling less and less like this was the out right murder that it was reported to be on facebook an such