I thought the whole episode was just hitting over the head setting up the audience to understand, Hey, they aren't so different from each other after all, this unavoidable, impending war will be kind of a bummer :/ See, the intentional mirroring of:

Darryl/Baseball Bat Badass ("You like to smoke & kill things? Me too!")Wise Herschel/Intellectual Scientist ("We learn as we go while amputating limbs, you record everything in your creepy little notebook".)Ricktator/Governator ("Losing your family made you crazy? I feel ya, bro".)

Army of GOD wrote:don't forget Milton and Hershel hitting on each other (Hershel: "buy me a drink first")

Well Milton did want to see Hershel's leg. That little pervert just wanted to see what was up Hershel's pants? LOL.

Now this is how I see it. The governor's rise to power was through deceptions and lies, so ultimately he has to surround himself with idiots like Milton as council. You know, the "Yes Men." The hired guns don't give a second thought to good or evil only that they have a gun. Some one's got to be the ruler or in this case the dictator so what does it matter so long as they are fed. And just like in real life, it is the few with the power, that controls the destinies of the many without it.

Now obviously we saw an earlier episode, where a whole bunch of the people wanted to leave the governor out of fear. They wanted to take their chances away from all the fighting. I think that they really wanted to go over to ricks side of the river. And this is how I see this war ending. Also we know that people don't just leave the governor all by themselves. So something has to prompt a sort of mass exodus away from the governor.

At some point in the battle field, the governor is going to give some stupid ass command and the majority of them who really don't want to fight in the first place, but really just want to live out their lives quietly are going to take the opportunity to go over to Rick's side. Or something in that order of events. But the governor will continue with a smaller community.

Or he'll just get his ass killed and that will be the end of the story. LOL.

Earlier I made a comment about being sympathetic toward the Governor's side of the story but what I really meant was to the stories of those people who are under the governor's rule. The governor really deserves no sympathy because he really is the bad guy. Or else he would let the others leave if they want to. Rick simply said, "if you stay with me then you do what I say." The governor say's, "you stay with me because I say so!" So there is a difference between the two.

BTW: I like the "Ricktator" vs. the "Governator" titles. Good work "dog."

new guy1 wrote:Did Andrea just manage to become the best person ever by killing the Governor? No, but I do appreciate the action. Shes still annoying

Don't get my hopes up like that until we see the body! lol

I know right? After I posted that I was like "well, maybe hes not actually dead". And also, even if she did, it was indirectly. If she meant what she said when she said "I have to kill him" and actually knew it in her heart, she would have been the one to do it. Just my two cents worth.

new guy1 wrote:Did Andrea just manage to become the best person ever by killing the Governor? No, but I do appreciate the action. Shes still annoying

Don't get my hopes up like that until we see the body! lol

I know right? After I posted that I was like "well, maybe hes not actually dead". And also, even if she did, it was indirectly. If she meant what she said when she said "I have to kill him" and actually knew it in her heart, she would have been the one to do it. Just my two cents worth.

new guy1 wrote:Did Andrea just manage to become the best person ever by killing the Governor? No, but I do appreciate the action. Shes still annoying

Don't get my hopes up like that until we see the body! lol

I know right? After I posted that I was like "well, maybe hes not actually dead". And also, even if she did, it was indirectly. If she meant what she said when she said "I have to kill him" and actually knew it in her heart, she would have been the one to do it. Just my two cents worth.

DAMNIT DAMNIT DAMNIT DAMNIT, hes not dead!!!

She's in Love man! What do you expect?

The woman has needs that the governator fulfills. Not to mention a warm bed. LOL. Just because he lost an eye, doesn't make him any less of a man?

BTW: No one is going to vote on that poll because we just like them all! Even Andrea (Speak for yourself man!) LOL.

Maybe a better poll would be, "Who will die next?"

Or will we see that Black guy Morgan on the show again? I would like to see Morgan and Michonne hook up. Now that would be quite a match. Or, "Will anyone replace Lori in Rick's life? Who would that most likely Be? Maybe Andrea? After the Governator is killed of course. The man simply has to die and you know it.

I agree it wasnt the best episode ever, but in series like this every now and then you need an episode like that to move storylines along a fair bit. Not every episode can be one of the ones you wanna watch again and again and again.

Maybe a vote on who BBQed the biters? My money is on Milton, but I also realise that's exactly what I'm meant to think atm. Just don't see who else would have access to the resources and the motive.

crispybits wrote:Maybe a vote on who BBQed the biters? My money is on Milton, but I also realise that's exactly what I'm meant to think atm. Just don't see who else would have access to the resources and the motive.

crispybits wrote:I agree it wasnt the best episode ever, but in series like this every now and then you need an episode like that to move storylines along a fair bit. Not every episode can be one of the ones you wanna watch again and again and again.

Maybe a vote on who BBQed the biters? My money is on Milton, but I also realise that's exactly what I'm meant to think atm. Just don't see who else would have access to the resources and the motive.

Had to be MIlton. I doubt Tyrese and the crew would have done the torching, since they're generally appeasers, doing what it takes to stay part of the group. But, they'll definitely switch to Rick's side by the end of the season.

The governor is gonna die, Andrea will die, Merle will die. Tyrese and Sasha team up with Rick, as will Milton, and probably the old folks and children of Woodberry. That's really the only thing I can't figure out, because there's many innocents who might have to die, but I don't see Rick pulling off a massacre like that.

new guy1 wrote:Did Andrea just manage to become the best person ever by killing the Governor? No, but I do appreciate the action. Shes still annoying

Don't get my hopes up like that until we see the body! lol

I know right? After I posted that I was like "well, maybe hes not actually dead". And also, even if she did, it was indirectly. If she meant what she said when she said "I have to kill him" and actually knew it in her heart, she would have been the one to do it. Just my two cents worth.

DAMNIT DAMNIT DAMNIT DAMNIT, hes not dead!!!

Yep, pretty much what I said too when he reappeared, though I'm pretty sure my choice of words started with the letter F

Though to be fair, that was pretty slick, the way she opened the room full of walkers on him while barricading herself behind the door. And holy moly, the Guv survived that many zombies w/o any help??! *whew*

crispybits wrote:I agree it wasnt the best episode ever, but in series like this every now and then you need an episode like that to move storylines along a fair bit. Not every episode can be one of the ones you wanna watch again and again and again.

Maybe a vote on who BBQed the biters? My money is on Milton, but I also realise that's exactly what I'm meant to think atm. Just don't see who else would have access to the resources and the motive.

Had to be MIlton. I doubt Tyrese and the crew would have done the torching, since they're generally appeasers, doing what it takes to stay part of the group. But, they'll definitely switch to Rick's side by the end of the season.

The governor is gonna die, Andrea will die, Merle will die. Tyrese and Sasha team up with Rick, as will Milton, and probably the old folks and children of Woodberry. That's really the only thing I can't figure out, because there's many innocents who might have to die, but I don't see Rick pulling off a massacre like that.

In the comic books Woodbury falls and I presume the majority of the "innocents" die - though the last couple of episodes they have been trying to move the focus there away from the innocents and having it seem more like an armed militia camp.

My guess atm is that the governator will be dead by the end of this series or possibly (but unlikely) next, and to an extent the survivors of the two groups will merge, but I don't see the overall group size growing much beyond 12-15ish because audiences don't have the capacity for too many characters. Some will split off and head in a different direction, some will stay with Rick and the other core members. The prison will be compromised and the group will be forced back onto the road.

Storylines like the prison vs Woodbury have a shelf life, it's rare that they last beyond 1 season and almost unheard of that they last beyond 2, but it would give the characters too much safety is they could defeat the governator and stay in the prison too - when this storyline ends the group will have to be forced back onto the road or into a much less safe situation one way or another or the show kinda loses any momentum.

new guy1 wrote:Did Andrea just manage to become the best person ever by killing the Governor? No, but I do appreciate the action. Shes still annoying

Don't get my hopes up like that until we see the body! lol

I know right? After I posted that I was like "well, maybe hes not actually dead". And also, even if she did, it was indirectly. If she meant what she said when she said "I have to kill him" and actually knew it in her heart, she would have been the one to do it. Just my two cents worth.

DAMNIT DAMNIT DAMNIT DAMNIT, hes not dead!!!

Yep, pretty much what I said too when he reappeared, though I'm pretty sure my choice of words started with the letter F

Though to be fair, that was pretty slick, the way she opened the room full of walkers on him while barricading herself behind the door. And holy moly, the Guv survived that many zombies w/o any help??! *whew*

I knew he wasn't dead as there were 2 episodes still to go in the series, he will be taken out in the series finale.

Governor dies.Woodbury falls.Prison falls. Last episodes title suggests this.Tyreese and some of his group join Ricks group again.Hershel dies. Merle dies. (might be a turncoat and let the govs group into the prison)Ricks group splits up into small groups.

The best thing about this episode was that we didn't have to see Carl or Carol. The worst thing was that it was an Andrea 'sode.

How god damn long were those zombies waiting in that staircase for? At least a year?

Also, saxi pointed this out a while ago but I still love how well the zombies have all mastered the art of stealth while Andrea clumsily ran into literally everything when she was running away from the Guv'nuh.

I am actually a bit relieved tonight that it was Merle who died. The reason is simple. From the moment I heard Daryl say he was going after Merle by himself, I thought he was going to die. I couldn't shake the feeling that the creators wanted to wind us up for Merle's big redemption and then instead of finding the noble death he had hoped for, he has to see his little brother, the one person in this world that he still loves and cares for, killed right in front of him. I am relieved it didn't go that way because quite simply, Daryl has evolved into my favorite character of the series. Glenn has gotten better but he still annoys me from time to time. Michonne is cool but I still don't feel like I know enough about her. Rick is just Rick. Don't hate him, don't love him. The rest aren't major enough for me to list them out.

I did like Merle's last words. "I ain't gonna beg"

Other than that, I am still wondering how the Gov'nur got out of that building without at least having gotten bit (seemingly anyways). The show has stretched my suspension of disbelief in the past (Merle escaping the rooftop, various zombie encounters where someone should have gotten bit) but The Gov'nur was absolutely swarmed, no way out in that episode and as far as we can tell, he escaped with barely a hair out of place and at least in most cases where it seems a bit far-fetched, when the person escaped, they at least showed how. Unless I missed something, they showed the gov'nur being swallowed by a horde of zombies and next we see him, he is taking down Andrea and dragging her back to Woodsbury.

Herschel dies. Realizing he's dead weight with only one leg, he possibly volunteers for a suicide position.Carol and/or Beth die. More likely Beth as she's the more minor character.Tyreese betrays the gov'nur and all but that one guy join him to help Rick.Gov'nur diesThe prison fends off the attack but due to damage from that grenade launcher and other weapons is no longer safe to stay in.

Anyways RIP Merle.

Iliad wrote:The upside of calling everyone scum and making 1000 predictions is that statistically you should get a few right.

I feel like Merle should have won that fight because he just seemed like the stronger character, but I guess Merle was drunk. RIP Merle, unfortunately right after he began to be one of my favorite characters.

new guy1 wrote:I feel like Merle should have won that fight because he just seemed like the stronger character, but I guess Merle was drunk. RIP Merle, unfortunately right after he began to be one of my favorite characters.

True. I didn't think the guv'nuh could take Merle in a hand to hand fight. Especially when Merle has a knife for one hand.

Iliad wrote:The upside of calling everyone scum and making 1000 predictions is that statistically you should get a few right.