What exactly were you expecting from this conversation? Not trying to be sarcastic, just a tad confused how you could have possibly had foreseen it going any other way.

Archmage_Bael wrote:

It makes no sense to me - its why I said that there should be 4 month long full harvest cycles, a harvest cycle would be one whole "season" and one is too short, so it'd be 'three' since it is divisible with 12.)

I think this makes more sense than the 12 plants thing, though that leaves the question of why Negavians settled for 3 seasons.

Though that could tie in with your Mythos thread, a folklore story that explains the origin of the three seasons perhaps?

What exactly were you expecting from this conversation? Not trying to be sarcastic, just a tad confused how you could have possibly had foreseen it going any other way.

Archmage_Bael wrote:

It makes no sense to me - its why I said that there should be 4 month long full harvest cycles, a harvest cycle would be one whole "season" and one is too short, so it'd be 'three' since it is divisible with 12.)

I think this makes more sense than the 12 plants thing, though that leaves the question of why Negavians settled for 3 seasons.

Though that could tie in with your Mythos thread, a folklore story that explains the origin of the three seasons perhaps?

Ah it was going so well in the beginning. :V

As for the three, well...one season or two is too short, three seems better, but yes we could have a myth about it if we want to. No harm in that certainly.

Not to self-promote, but the Navroze mountains have 3 continuous seasons that circle throughout the region. Perhaps a connection could be made between those and Negav's? Of course, Navroze's seasons last for only about two months in any particular area of the mountains, so each season would occur twice a year accoring to the Elven calendar. I'm kind of ignorantly throwing an idea out here, so feel free to disregard this. XD

But not this part. After looking over your current write up of the Elven calendar, there are a few things I'd like to point out. First, it says that it has "been modified and changed around" since the Elves used it. But your write up doesn't give much insight into by whom or how. It does go on to say that some of the months' names have been changed, but it doesn't say whether that was the only thing that's been changed or not. It just comes off kind of vague, and also, I don't think we ever discussed the calendar having undergone any changes since the Elven Empire fell, so maybe that one sentence before mentioning the name changes isn't actually necessary?

Second, it doesn't actually say in the article why it's important. It does say that "the Elven Empire set the precedent for many things from their current time - one of which is how they measure time itself", which is a start, but I think it needs a little more detail as to how. It should mention some things that we discussed in this thread, like that it was put into use when the Elven Empire dominated most of the main continent, and that most societies came to use it for simplicty of trade with the Empire, even if they also had their own calendars, and that it's still in use today because so many different places use it that it's become basically the standard.

Heh. The three seasons fit with my own Elven calendar, which was divided in three as well. One for seeding, one for growth (which was longer than the other two) and one for harvest. It used trees, but could use any other plant you guys like.

To come back on the multiplicity of calendars though, I don't see that as a problem. I mean yes there are several calendars in different regions but we don't necessarily have to mention them. They can be just some cultural traits of a group /race /city that is here but is not really relevant outside of that sphere. The one that really matters would be the Negav one, largely inspired by the elven one.

Oh, I think that's a good idea! We know which month comes after which in real life from it being normalized in our lives. Trying to memorize a fictional setting's months' order won't be nearly as intuitive. I like the idea of having there be something inherent to the naming scheme to help order them, and putting them in alphabetical order would do that in a very simple way.

Deities can be used in the beginning, but have other characters who were important prop up. Maybe one for one of the rulers, or that Dridder (Chani?), maybe a month named after King Serrakmos ? etc. Largely keeping the month names there minus a couple small differences.

Oh, I think that's a good idea! We know which month comes after which in real life from it being normalized in our lives.

*Looks away in shame* Actually I...er....don't always know what month it is or what time without my phone. >////> I .....just feel no true passage of time in my head. It's like my internal clock is missing. If I didn't have a phone or Calendar I think I'd live in limbo. Still I agree with A-B-C Months! Kinda wish I our Calendar went that way. Probably would be easier. Heh.......*Slinks away*

They sound sufficiently exotic to me. I like 'em. Is there already information on all these deities on the wiki, or are all these just things that have been floating around in your head for a while?

Well Rendregad, Orchomenos, Fealanthia an Margadan were from a list of deities I brainstormed a while ago for the elven Pantheon, the others ones I created on the go ) ^^I didn't put them on the wiki as they had only basic traits but maybe we could expand on them.

As for the months I'm open to any suggestions if you want to take that list and change a bit the names to make them sound better, although I'm not really for putting them in alphabetical order ^^; Sure it's more handy but it feels perhaps a little too ordered ?

I'm not really for putting them in alphabetical order ^^; Sure it's more handy but it feels perhaps a little too ordered ?

That vvas the entire point of my suggestion. To put them in easily understood order so people have an easier time remembering them / knovving vvhat month it vvould correspond to in real life. Of course, if you dont like it as it feels too artificial, vvhich it obviously is, then ignore the suggestion.

although I'm not really for putting them in alphabetical order ^^; Sure it's more handy but it feels perhaps a little too ordered ?

A fair concern, but this might be one of those situations where you as an author may need to sacrifice some believability in favour of user-friendliness. ^^; As long as we're subtle about it, doing so shouldn't quite break the willful suspension of disbelief. It might be worth putting to a vote in the community, though, and see whether more people agree or disagree with having them in alphabetical order. Just a though.

I can also see you having a problem with it now that you've already come up with names that you like, too, which I would also understand. It's hard to come up with things like that, and even harder to be asked to put them aside in favour of something else. That I can sympathize with, although I would recommend trying to look past that if that's something you're feeling.

...Actually, I just realized something. Bael's description on the previous page mentions one of the things we've been discussing, which is that over time, the names of at least some the months, if not all of them, have been changed over time after the fall of the Elven Empire, using names that hold more meaning to whatever group held the most influence at the time. O.o With that in mind, it doesn't actually make sense for them all to be named after figures in the Elven pantheon, does it?

As long as the names aren't all just following each other closely, then the alphabetical order doesn't really stand out that much. Say, first name starting with a C instead of an A, then the next is an E, a H, J, M, N, maybe two starting by P, and so on and so forth. It seems ordered to us who know the trick, but for people that just read the names for the first time, it might not be so.

Nyaha wrote:

over time, the names of at least some the months, if not all of them, have been changed over time after the fall of the Elven Empire, using names that hold more meaning to whatever group held the most influence at the time.

I'm kind of with karbo on this one in saying that it's too structured or artificial. I mean are we really going to be that user friendly? Like really? when it doesn't need to be.

Ilceren wrote:

Say, first name starting with a C instead of an A, then the next is an E, a H, J, M, N, maybe two starting by P, and so on and so forth. It seems ordered to us who know the trick, but for people that just read the names for the first time, it might not be so.

Then that wouldn't be alphabetical, that would be a pattern using the alphabet. I'm also with the idea of using 10 units instead of twelve for the sake of somewhat uniqueness.

I think we should go with the ABC order personally because if you ask somebody today, even with us having a grid made world map, they likely can't find where the Tolmeshal is. -_-; So many I've dealt with doing that. Karbo makes Felarya much easier to navigate but all that happens is you end up hearing is "Oh I haven't bothered to read the wiki or any of the sources! Ha ha ha!" How I wish to extermi-I mean educate the lot of them. <.< But yeah I say ABC because it's easier to follow for beginners and it would be unique. I've never seen in another universe.

But yeah I say ABC because it's easier to follow for beginners and it would be unique. I've never seen in another universe

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Lol the only reason you don't see that in universes again is because it's so easily structured, Yeah it's easy for beginners but we aren't exactly making a videogame here where the interface demands for it. We're making a world when it comes to fiction you don't make it easy for the reader you try to make it simple yet complex so the person can understand it but it doesn't have to relate to simple order of letters. Honestly i don't think people are that dumb if they cared to tried to investigate the calendar anyways, they just choose not to because of tldr and personal thing like their own causes of how they structure things mentally.

The Elder Scrolls universe doesn't order them alphabetically, we don't in the real world either, I see no reason why we should. Making it easier for for people is just a presumption, but even if it weren't, it doesn't make much sense to be developed like that. The only time it was ever ordered was when the Roman Empire named them "month one, month two" etc.

That is because of what Bael said about the Romans naming the months numerically, Darky. But yeah, it could be a start. Maybe have groups of months that have a similar theme (as in the realms of influence of the gods), or a similar sounding/written as Dark suggested. Maybe with the additions or name changing of months, there can be a group of elven gods followed by a group of Neko chieftains and finally a group of Human rulers.

Bluehorizon wrote:

Then that wouldn't be alphabetical, that would be a pattern using the alphabet. I'm also with the idea of using 10 units instead of twelve for the sake of somewhat uniqueness.

Lols Blue. It is alphabetical, as in, sorted alphabetically. I just meant for it to be less obvious, just like if you took a handful of real world names and ordered them alphabetically, you wouldn't get ABCDEFG, there'd be holes.