That part of Germany is getting towards Switzerland which in the 7th century formed part of Frankish kingdom. The horse would have helped move haplotypes all over the place.

My point is that our databases are heavily skewed toward the British Isles. That affects R1b more than any other haplogroup, because the British Isles are predominantly R1b.

I see the effects of it in my projects. Anytime a continental guy gets an R1b result of some kind, he immediately suspects his ancestor was British or Irish, when that is probably not the case at all. And look at what happened almost immediately after L21 was discovered. All sorts of people instantly assumed L21 originated somewhere in the British Isles. That delusion is still being pursued here and there, despite the growing body of continental evidence.

I was just pointing out that the Ergolding remains have their closest matches in the British Isles, not because those warriors were from the British Isles, but because of the nature of the genealogical databases.

Probably those scientists do know the cause of death for the Ergolding remains, but I don't remember them mentioning it in the report.

The whole point about the British Isles Ysearch matches was that the genetic genealogy databases are so overloaded with British Isles results relative to continental results, especially when it comes to R1b, that every sort of R1b begins to look British, even 7th century Bavarian skeletons.

And that is why so many hasty people immediately jumped to the conclusion that L21 originated in the British Isles after the first dozen or so test results back in November of 2008.

I emailed Daniel Vanek about the Warrior's results. He was kind enough to email me back.

I pasted it below:

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Thank you for your interesting e-mail.

You are absolutely right that testing SNPs on the ancient bones would bring much more information about the individuals.

Unfortunately we do not have in place the technology for SNP typing and are able just to perform STR typing. However we plan to expand the set of polymorphic systems we test and prepare a SNaPshot multiplex for a precise Y-chromosome SNP typing. The second step will be the validation of the SNaPshot multiplex and after all of that we can start with the ancient bones.

I emailed Daniel Vanek about the Warrior's results. He was kind enough to email me back.

I pasted it below:

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Thank you for your interesting e-mail.

You are absolutely right that testing SNPs on the ancient bones would bring much more information about the individuals.

Unfortunately we do not have in place the technology for SNP typing and are able just to perform STR typing. However we plan to expand the set of polymorphic systems we test and prepare a SNaPshot multiplex for a precise Y-chromosome SNP typing. The second step will be the validation of the SNaPshot multiplex and after all of that we can start with the ancient bones.

After some thought I wondered what the Soldiers related male ancestors strs would look like today?

After 1300 years can we expect a GD of 1 or 2?..or 4

If they had descendants (and there could be a lot of them out there), we should expect a few mutations by now, perhaps as many as ten at 67 markers, I think.

I was wondering about my distance of 20+ with some R-L159.2 guys.

I was impressed with the grave finds of the Celtic King. Pointy little boots and a wood hat.It makes me think about clothing back then. I'm sure people wore more colour than we show in sketches of people of the time.

I was impressed with the grave finds of the Celtic King. Pointy little boots and a wood hat.It makes me think about clothing back then. I'm sure people wore more colour than we show in sketches of people of the time.

That is a great site stevo...thanks

As I recall, those same kind of pointy hats were found with some of the Takla Makan mummies, but I haven't been able to find any photos of those hats.

Wikipedia has a pretty good photo of the reconstructed inside of the Hochdorf Prince's tomb: