Boomer Esiason says Skins missing one thing

Until this week, I knew of maybe two people who had publicly said the Washington Redskins had a playoff-ready roster: Vinny Cerrato and Clinton Portis. Both were widely scorned for making such a claim. Well, on Wednesday, a third name was added to the list.

"I do think that the Washington Redskins have a playoff-caliber roster, with the exception of one thing, and that's the inexperience at quarterback," Boomer Esiason said on 106.7's Mike Wise Show.

(Let's pause here to note that Jason Campbell has started 47 NFL games. Matt Ryan, who leads that playoff-caliber roster in Atlanta, has 27 career starts. Say what you want about Jason Campbell, but I don't think "inexperience" is his biggest fault. Of course, I'm the one typing up the words of Boomer under the assumption that you care, so who am I to complain?)

"Jason has had some good moments this year," Esiason continued. "He's also had some very inconsistent moments. I don't necessarily know how comfortable he is with yet another offense that he has to learn, and by bringing in a playcaller, you completely undercut the reason why you brought in Jim Zorn as your head coach, so he's a dead man walking. Everybody knows that. Jim Zorn is a very fine football coach, he's a great human being, and what has happened to him this year from a national perspective unfortunately is an embarrassment.

"And I think the Redskins are gonna be behind the eight ball, they're gonna have to start all over again. I don't know which high-profile coach Dan Snyder's gonna be sending a boatload of cash for, but that's where you're gonna be next year. It seems like the Redskins win the Super Bowl in the offseason, but once the season starts to unfold, they've got too many hands in the cookie jar, and they don't seem to be able to figure it out."

Fine, fine, boilerplate stuff, except the Campbell thing. To be a playoff contender right now, the Redskins would have to be about 6-5, which means Esiason presumably thinks Campbell is, by himself, at least three wins poorer than a playoff-caliber quarterback. Wise asked whether Esiason thinks Campbell is an NFL starter, and the broadcaster paused.

"Uh, you know, maybe in the right system," he said. "I feel bad for Jason, because I think he's athletically talented enough, but it is unfair for him to have to learn a new offensive system it seems like each and every year, and you're asking a lot from a young man who probably doesn't have a great support system around him. That's at least the perception that we have nationally, and I don't necessarily know that he'll be your starting quarterback next year."

Well, thanks for that insight.

To be honest, though, Esiason was on the program to discuss Ralph Friedgen's continued tenure in College Park, and he said he supported that move.

"First and foremost, people should know that I'm an advocate for Ralph Friedgen," said Esiason, who played under Ralph as a quarterback and supported him for the head coaching job when Ron Vanderlinden was hired. "We all still believe in him, and I do believe in him. It's a shame that the University of Maryland and its athletic department and especially the male athletic department has gotten to where it is right now. We all hope for relevancy. We all hope for top 25 teams....What we're doing now is trying to support an alum, somebody who loves the university, who I hope has the energy to move forward and make us relevant again. I know they were young this year, and I think one more chance to let Ralph show all of us that he has a team that he can compete with I think is a good thing for us."

Jason Campbell was born in the deep South and played for Auburn University before Joe Gibbs drafted him in the 1st round. Going from Auburn University to Washington, DC was like going to the moon for him and he never recovered. Joe Gibbs thought he found another "Doug Williams" to lead his new addition of the Redskins four years ago. Now that Gibbs is retired can Jason Campbell develop into a franchise QB? The answer is NO. Jason Campbell tenure with the Redskins is over. Dan Snyder is not that fond of underachieving Black QB's who are not ready for the spotlight shined by the Washington Redskins fans and media. We play in a tough division (NFC East)were there is no room for underachievers.

It's time to face the facts: JC is a great person, but he is not going to be a winning NFL QB. He just doesn't make decisions quick enough. Of course that problem is magnified because our O-line has lots of holes. But he is light years behind the great QBs, or even the good QBs (Aaron Rogers, for example) in terms of being able to make quick decisions and get rid of the ball quickly when he needs to. He can't do it and he never will. And because this is now a passing league, we basically would have to be perfect in alot of other areas to win with him. Sorry, but Boomer is right. And unfortunately Dan and Vinny were right when they tried to find a new QB in the offseason, although thankfully they didn't get Cutler. Go Terps!

Boomer must be the most bitter man alive. Does he have anything good to say ever? I agree Jason Campbell's tenure here is over but what do you replace him with? Todd Collins? Colt Brenna? If you daft a QB, you will have the same "inexperience" problems. People forget that when the Redskin line was healthy (remember the 6-2 start) Jason performed well. The fact is Jason has had a horrible line for the last year and half. You name me one quarterback that would excel behind Stephen Hoyer and the rest of the "off the street" crew that are now the O line. If JC leaves watch him bloom on a team with a vertical offense built around deep throws and la power running game. Can anyone say Raiders, or Panthers?

Posted by: REXskins
You can tell from a handful of his sentences that Boomer has no idea wtf he's talking about when it comes to any facet the Redskins organization this year.
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Funny, I thought for someone out of town he had some good points. And he referenced his comments as being looked at from a national standpoint.

JC17 might make himself into a serviceable second stringer elsewhere –- perhaps in another system, with another coach.

But if you're looking for a guy who can singlehandedly put the Washington Redskins on his shoulders and carry them across the goal line -- even rarely -- you'll need to look elsewhere.

Even if you’re only looking for a quarterback who seems capable of winning more games than losing -- the record will show that he has yet to prove he is able.

JC17 just doesn't have the talent, tools or the wherewithal to get it done. At least not here, not now, and not with the current coaching staff and group of players around him.

All he ever gives you is an unending litany of excuses for why the others around him have failed to get it done -- while he ticks off some meaningless stats about his own “fair to middling” performance.

Most other pro quarterbacks would tell you that the only stat that really counts is your win-loss record -- and JC17’s win-loss record is abysmal.

I am tired of the overused excuse that while he may not be the best, he is better than nothing.

The only way this team is ever going to get on with the necessary business of rebuilding itself into a contender is to get rid of the worthless deadwood, the overpaid "posture-pedics" and other mediocre players who present themselves as only barely better than nothing.

Even JC17 admits that it's all about winners and winning -- which is something that he has consistently failed to be and do in almost five full seasons here in your nation's capital.

It's time to cut him free, while wishing him every success ahead... but somewhere else please.

Boomer's got it backward. With the current personnel, Peyton Manning couldn't lead this team to the playoffs. But give JC a quality line, first-string running back and another receiver, and he'd easily take us there. He's got nothing but Moss to work with, and no one to block for him.

We'll waste a pick on a QB who'll take years to develop while JC leads another team to the playoffs. And the critics will conveniently forget they complained about him.

Not fair at all. This team has several DBs that refuse to tackle. A fat D Lineman that plays hard 1/2 the time. Now to the offense - a former stud RB that has gone south fast. A decent TE that has been out since early in the season. One decent WR and couple of wannabees. Coaches that are in over their heads and a Front Office that is the joke of the league. Campbell, to his credit, has done fairly well with the cards he's been dealt. This is true on the field and, especially so, off the field. I've come to think he's a pretty good QB. I know he's a class act. Boomer has this one wrong.

They have a dumb owner that thinks buying other teams players in June is a winning formula, thus never develops what upcoming playoff teams have. Continuity of lower priced DRAFTED talant.
Not Jason's fault.

A dumb owner that changes coaches too often.
Not JC's fault.

A dumb owner that has a dumb GM (Vinny).
And a poor O line.
Not JC's fault and if Favre or Brees were here right now, they'd still be in last place.

A dumb GM that obtained Randle-El when the Steelers then DRAFTED Santonio holmes (2009 SB MVP) for less $ and more productivity.
Not JC's fault.

2 fast pint sized WR's and 2 projects at WR.
Not JC's fault.

Boomer, come back and be the Skins QB next season and learn what JC sees, which are opposing defenders.

"I would like 1 of these fools who say it was a playoff caliber roster to point to me where they see a playoff caliber guy on the offense?

Posted by: alex35332 | December 2, 2009 1:43 PM"

Alex,

Hey man, I'm not necessarily one of "those" guys, however...as long as you're willing (and able) to differentiate between "playoff caliber" and "ProBowl caliber" I'll be happy to answer your question.

Playoff caliber. A player who plays well enough to help his team make the playoffs. A player not putting the team in bad positions through poor play or mental errors.

OG-Derrick Dockery no question

TE-Chris Cooley [pre-injury...no doubt]

WR-Santana Moss [he's made the best possible of what's come his way...]

and if you REALLY break down footage from a COACHING (not fan...coaching) perspective, one could make the argument that MANY if not MOST of Rabach's holding and false start calls come as a result of his trying to help the "Guard of the Week" next to him.

So you could make a decent, legitimate case for C-Casey Rabach as "playoff caliber" well.

That is without complimenting the nice "cold start" performances of Ladell Betts, Rock Cartwright, and Levi Jones who haven't been stellar, but EACH and ALL have performed admirably under less than ideal circumstances,

That also doesn't speak to the improving 2nd round three, who aren't there yet, but are getting closer.

No hate here, just truth... :)

P.S. I also believe Boomer to be a tool, but that is over something he did to a friend of mine LONG ago...

All of you idiots that say "get rid of JC",
and JC is not a STARTING QB in the NFL, know nothing about football. That's right.
In his short career Jason Campbell has been under the pressure of learning several different systems; he's been forced to change the way he throws the ball; receive the ball from center; a ton of different coaches in his ear. Since he's been in D.C. no quality receivers, an extremely old offensive line.
As Joe Theismann stated, if you place any of your so called great QB's under those identical circumstances, they most likely would not do much better. Football is a team sport, and Manning, Brady, and the rest MUST have quality around them to succeed. I am a diehard Redskins fan, but I pray that JC is moved to a team that needs a real good QB and is willing to support him. Then you all will see that JC is a STARTER in the NFL, and whatever the Redskins settle for in the QB position they deserve... Colt Brennan, (a joke), Collins, (too old and stationary).
To all of you Jason haters... Be wary of what you wish for.. This season's collapse has everything to do with Jason Campbell's surroundings and not Jason's ability.
I hate bringing race into this but, if Jason were Colt Brennan, Cutler, Delhomme, or any of these young White QB's, many many things would be overlooked. All we have to do is look back and see that not much was said about Delhomme, Cutler's 4 and 5 interception games. Not to mention that JC's stats were better than McNabb's, Romo's, and Eli's, when they last played. You folks need to get a grip.

For all of you who think Campbell is "good enough" and the Skins should stick with him.. the Vikings are lucky they don't have you as GM.. or they would have Tarvaris Jackson at QB right now.. and probably barely be in the playoff hunt.

In 47 games as QB I do not remember one 4th quarter comeback from jason Campbell. The last two weeks says it all. Jason had an opportunity to drive the team down the field in the 4th quarter to win against Dallas and Tie against Philly but came up short. Poor Jason.

We'll you know Jason Campbell is the darlilng of WJFK 106.7 since he is a guest every week on Lavar's Show. That's why you will get sympathy from Mike Wise and others from that station. We are all human beings.

I am a diehard Redskins fan, but I pray that JC is moved to a team
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I'm a die hard Redskin fan also and I pray for the same thing. The difference is I'm sure of two things..
One Campbell will never be successful at QB.
Two where ever Campbell ends up he and his fans will have excuses to why he isn't successful.. the OL line isn't good the WR's aren't good its the head coach's fault etc etc etc

"The prospect of the NFL playing the 2010 season without a salary cap, triggered by the owners' decision to opt out of its collective bargaining agreement two years early, might provide cash-flush owners with the opportunity to stock teams as never before." USA Today 5/29

Daniel and his Uncle Jerrah are going to blow up the system that allows small market competitive teams. They are trying to decide whether to sign Payton or Brady or Drew Brees or Ben R. as soon as there contracts are up - 2011.

All these comments about Campbell and the offense. And the great defense they supposedly have gets a free pass. Statistics aside, they don't win games, they've had a chance to win the game the last 2 weeks. When asked to step up and make a stop, the defense couldn't get it done. The teams that have played the Redskins have played down to their level. Alas their stats. Granted the offense is lousy but the defense is over rated.

Jason is a great person, but does not seem to possess the mental toughness required to succeed at QB. While he has worked with a poor offensive line, there have been plenty of times where he did not have the pressure and still missed hitting a key completion. Jason simply looks too scared, and when measured up against other QBs who also have poor offensive lines, his results would seem to be worse than the average. The Redskins could win a few more games with Todd Collins at QB, but the Redskins are choosing to gather more evidence to support their belief that they and Jsson should part ways next year. Even with a stronger offensive line, Jason will continue to miss wide-open receivers or throw the ball away when a different receiver is open.

Those who still believe that Jason can develop in to the type of QB who can take a team to the playoffs are, in my opinion, looking thru rose-colored glasses.

"but what do you replace him with?...People forget that when the Redskin line was healthy (remember the 6-2 start) Jason performed well. The fact is Jason has had a horrible line for the last year and half. ...You name me one quarterback that would excel behind Stephen Hoyer and the rest of the "off the street" crew that are now the O line.

Posted by: Terrapinjoe56 | December 2, 2009 2:07 PM"

Well, I'd trade one of the players we DON'T want (but who has some value) to another team for a QB THEY don't want to tide us over until we can get a long-term solution at QB that fits what we want to do here.

Kerry Collins, Jeff Garcia is wandering the street with a sign reading "will QB for food as long as you don't sign T.O." right now, Derek Anderson should be available for a song, and Sage Rosenfels will also be available.

All have been starters, all but Sage have playoff experience, and have put up good numbers (including WINS) behind less than stellar lines, and that's without REALLY pouring over rosters.

Wow, you didn't even take a breath between "when the Redskin line was healthy (remember the 6-2 start)" and "The fact is Jason has had a horrible line for the last year and half.". So which is it? Logically one must be false.

How about this? When the line was healthy [AND Portis was running his booty off, and before opposing defenses figured out Jason's two tricks (Cooley & Moss)] Jason performed well. But at that point is it REALLY Jason, or is it other players making JASON look better?

Now for the QB naming game.

Well, right NOW...

Peyton Manning has not had his starting WR most of the season and Indy has had line dings...still managing to win games.

Gerrard and Jacksonville are 6-5 behind a dodgy line with no big time WRs

Vince Young has won a few straight and is back in the hunt behind an average line

Denver's line is not even close to good and they've gotten Orton & Co to 7-4

Donovan McNabb's line has done him NO favors this season...and he's 7-4

Aaron Rogers and the Green bay "oops we broke another O lineman" line are 7-4

San Fran's QB carousel has no armored car O-line, and they're right around WC contention.

I think the pass routes run by the aging patchwork offensive line arent helped by Albert Haynesworth as much as his salary would suggest. Dan Snyder should stop calling fair catch so much and have management decisions relayed in by Sherman.

I blame Campbell too. He's a 4th quarter choker. He commanded a "playoff team" back in 2007, but that team only made the playoffs BECAUSE JC17 got injured.

All you have to do is look back to the 2007 season and the 4 straight losses prior to Campbell getting injured. We lost in succession to:

• Eagles (late 4th quarter Campbell fumble to seal the game 33-25),
• Cowboys (Campbell 3rd quarter fumble and 4th quarter INT on potential game winning drive; 28-23 final),
• Bucs (2 INT’s and 1 lost fumble by Campbell, including a backbreaker INT on final drive in last 3 mins (sound familiar?); 19-13 final), and finally
• Bills (Campbell had 1 INT, 1 lost fumble and was sacked for a safety in the endzone; Skins lose 17-16).

After Campbell was injured early in the next game against the Bears, Todd Collins led the Skins on a 4-0 streak to make the playoffs. If you look back at those 4 straight close losses with Campbell under center, there’s a familiar pattern that repeated itself in the Dallas game this year. The games were all close, and in almost every case, Campbell was put in position to be a 4th quarter hero on a game winning drive. Just like in 2007, what Campbell gave us instead was a 4th quarter turnover to seal the defeat. As for the Philly game, I don't think anyone expected Campbell to pull that out. He's just not that kind of winner.

Everybody here is just giving opinions here. I mean we can't know for sure how Washington would be doing with another quarterback, and we can't know how Campbell would be doing in another system until he actually plays in one. But, in my opinion, any criticism of Washington's roster that does not begin with the offensive line is completely missing the point.

Saying Jason Campbell is the problem assumes that he is working under the same circumstances as most other quarterbacks are on playoff-contending teams.

I don't believe Brett Farve or Drew Brees could lead this team to a much better record. They'd be running for their life back there and making nearly as many bad throws as Campbell has this year. Plus, the running game is getting stuffed. So teams know Washington has to throw on a lot of second down and third down plays. That is not the case for most other quarterbacks on good teams.

Boomer needs to stick to talking about what he knows. Obviously he doesn't know what's going on in Washington.

The DBs can tackle...they are poorly coached or at least poorly motivated. That is why they don't and that can be cured.

Haynesworth is a really good to great DT, and was totally a value acquisition . He plays about 75% of the snaps [more than anyone but the DBs and Carter], and has been playing hurt ALL year with the exception of the last two games.

How much increase has there been in the team's rushing yards allowed in the two games Haynesworth has missed? And there's been less QB pressure in the pass defense game, too...hmmm, that doesn't seem like playing soft half the time to me.

The team has TWO players likely to hit DOUBLE DIGIT sacks this season [Carter and Orakpo], and THAT is not a difference Hayneswoth contributes to? I find that difficult to believe.

Campbell is an average QB at best. NO better than Collins with the exception of less age and mileage. Even THIS season Collins has the longer completion arm to arm (not including yards after the catch) so the "Campbell's canon arm" argument bites the dust as well...or did they import a different superior line and a better Santana Moss clone for that play?

Apologies for the sarcasm, but the choice of so many to ignore facts regarding Campbell annoys me.

Campbell has not functioned in this WC offense, Gibbs' Offense (either version), Saunders Offense (either version) or when given the chance to just go deep. What's left? Wildcat?

Honestly, look at when Campbell's stats are good [when opposing D's have called off the dogs...or the 'Skins D has locked down opponent's scoring for the game], and when they're not [when the game is on the line and the opposing D is coming full bore].

That speaks to poorly honed skills and a lack of confidence.

When 3 coaches [1 HOF'er] can only squeeze "pretty good" out of a QB and ONLY when there's NO pressure...that's a BAD sign.

Yes if you surrounded Campbell with an offense built SOLELY around his skills, a healthy all-pro line, great WRs, and a stud RB he'll be great...of course so would Tony Banks (or anyone with a pulse...including MY fat, slow hinder) under those circumstances.

Now it's not all Campbell's fault the way this seaosn has gone...BY NO MEANS.

However his inadequacies highlight and magnify the shortcomings of EVERYONE around him. That's the OPPOSITE of what a GOOD QB does.

It's always "Not JC's fault". No one is saying that this is all his fault. But at some point we need a quarterback that can take you down the field, complete some passes, and score touchdowns. I don't care how nice a guy he is or it's not his fault. If he can't perform as a starting NFL quarterback what good is he. He's useless.

Nothing but 'dirt off the shoulders' criticism. All JC needs is an offense tailored to his strengths. Play action, running threat, power o-line, and vertical passing. This was a bad marriage, and it took it like a man. Best luck to him.

"Yes if you surrounded Campbell with an offense built SOLELY around his skills, a healthy all-pro line, great WRs, and a stud RB he'll be great...of course so would Tony Banks (or anyone with a pulse...including MY fat, slow hinder) under those circumstances."

That's not true; if it was, "Tavaris Jackson" wouldn't be an insult in Minny. Everyone knew that team was a qb short of being really, really good. That's not the case here. This team has major holes it needs to address in addition to qb.

Personally, I'd fix the line and sign Campbell to a 1 year deal and see where the situation stands at the end of next year. But cautious conservatism isn't associated with the Skins, unless they're trying to score in the red zone.

God I get sick of people making excuses for Campbell because he has to learn a new system. This is football, not nuclear physics. I will say it again and again, I guess the University of Delaware ran the same system as the Ravens because Flacco came in and did well last year and this year. Same for Boston College and Atlanta with Matt Ryan. I guess they didn't have to learn new systems. I think it comes down to talent. They have it and Campbell doesn't.

The problem with Campbell is not 'inexperience'!! The problem with Campbell is MUCH worse. The problem is failure of heart. Winning is about desire and staying focused in the moment on what is absolutely necessary. CAMPBELL DOESNT HAVE THIS. It doesnt matter the score. Its the win/loss which will always be a problem as long as he is the quarterback of this team.

Think about McMahan (however his name is spelled...don't miss my point here..). That guy didnt care how he won the game......all he cared about was the 'w'. Campbell will outthink himself (and his teamates) throw inaccurate throws in crunch time, ect.. How long has Campbell and Moss been on the same team, and yet they don't show the timing plays that you would expect from a seasoned pair! Thats either a lack of playing together on thier own (certainly a desire issue), failure to see the importance (same reason), or incapability to perform timing plays in game (psychological block????).

rabach a play-off caliber center?..you have lost what little mind you have rabach has been getting stupid penalities(holding)for YEARS because he is too weak at the point of attack and regularly gets pushed into campbell by the d-tackle or nose guard that has happened before the revolving door at guard this year. why didnt brady with the 5 guys he had when he played in the last super bowl win that game? OH I know the giants whose d-line was better than brady's o-line overpowered than and kicked their azz. if brady played behind this line he would be out for the season again think before you write.

"That's not true; if it was, "Tavaris Jackson" wouldn't be an insult in Minny. Everyone knew that team was a qb short of being really, really good. That's not the case here. This team has major holes it needs to address in addition to qb.

Posted by: mrsaun | December 2, 2009 5:43 PM"

First and foremost...damn funny line!

Now, let me clarify. I didn't say Campbell is at fault, in fact look to what I said immediately following to re-direct.

"Now it's not all Campbell's fault the way this seaosn has gone...BY NO MEANS.

However his inadequacies highlight and magnify the shortcomings of EVERYONE around him. That's the OPPOSITE of what a GOOD QB does." quoted mine...

It is just not worth the money [and long term deal] that Campbell and his agent want to see IF he can become something that several years and many coaches and systems have not shown him prone to being, at least not here.

In an agent-free world that 1 year deal MIGHT be a possibility. Not in this one, players have agents.

Bottom line is: if the team is going to under perform...it is FAR cheaper and does less long term damage to do so without Campbell.

Then the team can at least shore up the other areas [O-line, CB, ILB] faster, and use a placeholder QB until they find one that fits the system they will be running.

If the answer is JUST addressing those issues, then any QB should have success.

Aah the QB experts, is Jason NFL caliber, maybe,maybe not but how in the hell would anyone know from the constant pressure he has had to endure with the Danny/Vince show? No depth at "O"line, the youth are damn near performing better than the 1st string we started with(or is it that Jason is making them look better)Look we will never know if Jason can be any good until we can protect and run the ball. This reminds me of the Orioles some time back, they let go Mr.Fruit Loops Mickey Tettelton who goes all "ALL STAR" on us and give a bizillion dollars and players for Albert Bell,(I ain't mad I'm just gettin' even)and Glenn Davis (what? you expect me to play? produce? what do you think I'm Ripkin?)It wouldn't surprise me one bit to watch Jason go to Carolina and be real good, maybe not PRO-BOWL good but playoff good, and with a little luck who knows, nor would it surprise me to see him go to the Raiders and get killed. We have invested alot in this young man and with all of the money that "Danny" likes to throw away how about he resign Jason and get some lineman to protect him and see what happens, seems like a better plan that his "Fantasy League" he has been playing in for the last 10 years.

rkornegay: "Gibbs thought he found another "Doug Williams" to lead his new addition of the Redskins four years ago

I doubt that. Gibbs knew that Doug struggled for years before becoming the QB that took Washington to a Super Bowl. In fact, Gibbs openly marveled at the improvement in Williams' passing accuracy. The last thing Gibbs wanted when he drafted Campbell was a young Doug Williams. He was hoping for somebody farther along in his development than Doug had been coming out of Grambling.

Unfortunately, he didn't get it. Despite his experience at Auburn, Jason wasn't ready to start in the NFL. You can argue that he still isn't, but the numbers dispute that. To any objective eye, he fits right in with a group of competent but unspectacular 'game managers' who often are found steering their teams to playoff berths. He's fallen off this year from last, but there are plenty of excuses for that. You could argue that he's fallen off quite a bit less than his peers Kerry Collins and Jake Delhomme. He's probably a better QB right now than his peers Matt Leinart and Alex Smith, two other game manager types who got a lot more cash than Jason. He's actually performing better than Jay Cutler, although he's not the QB that Jay will be.

Boomer has a point in that better play from Campbell could have won a couple more games for the Skins. But you could say that about most of the QBs in the league.

You who have never played football...at a pro level... who type opinions and have never been hit by a defensive player.. that knows that he can beat the man in front of him when he wants... who lick their chops in the fourth quarter... because they study predictable play calling...and you put your QB, in a situation no insurance company would cover... my hat is off to Jason lot of heart... add to this the whole league knows what the real problem is with the Redskins...and has been for years this is not fantasy football vinny and dan

JC was a bad pick.
JGibbs is not a good personnel guy, this is case in point.
JC is not a winner at the pro level.
Nor will he ever be.
How long does it take to see that?
JC has lots of heart for a good loser.
I don't want a good loser as my QB.

Fact is Campbell is a poor fit for any offensive system. He makes any offensive system look bad because he's a piss-poor QB.

He has his moments, but he's had his moments since he started out in a Skins uniform.

He'll get released, maybe start for another NFL team, maybe not, have his good moments again, but invariably he'll shoot his next team in the foot and lose games that are clearly within his teams' reach.

It has been my experience that pretty much everything "Boomer" says is wrong. I also don't think he spends any time at all watching the Redskins, because if he did, he might have noticed that the Offensive Line has been just a touch inconsistent.

When your publicly announced game plan is to never throw deep because you fear for the safety of your QB, and then, you actually STICK to it, that's a pretty big clue that you've got a few protection issues.

I miss the days of Boomer and Dierdorff arguing with each other during the games...

The truth will be known soon enough. Just like it was when everybody was on the "Brian Mitchell has lost a step, let's bring in Dionne and Geoff George" Bandwagon.

Just a couple "pieces" (of what?) away from a Super Bowl.

Maybe Boomer hasn't noticed our secondary neglecting to cover any deep routes run by the other team's best wideouts, either. Maybe he didn't know that Haynesworth is injured or that the Falcons ran through our Defense like they had been coated in oil.

Boomer is one of those guys, and there are plenty, who never say, "you know, I really don't know much about that."

For all of you who think Campbell is "good enough" and the Skins should stick with him.. the Vikings are lucky they don't have you as GM.. or they would have Tarvaris Jackson at QB right now.. and probably barely be in the playoff hunt.

So we slap Farve in there and Portis turn's into Adrian Peterson, Andre Carter into Jared Allen, Dockery into Steve Hutchinson, and Moss rolls back the clock on Father Time and turns into Percy Harvin?

Please Folks Drop this Jason Campbell argument now,,,He's had 4 years at the helm and is still uncapable of running the 2min offense he always has and continues to have this Bewildered look on his face at all times!!I've seen College QB's who can run it Better,,Bring on Colt McCoy/Sam Bradford/Jimmy Clausen,,,Even Jimmy Clausen in losing efforts has better Moxy than Jason!!!

Went to school with Boomer and really like him (he has a great radio show up here in NY), but...

"It's a shame that the University of Maryland and its athletic department and especially the male athletic department has gotten to where it is right now."

I take pause with this statement. Other than football, seems to me MD does alright. The women's programs are taken all together in the top five in the country, the men's soccer team is a perennial power, lacrosse is always up there. And men's bball is on an upswing, and never dull.

I like Ralph Friedgen and what he stands for. I like that the program is clean as a whistle. But I don't like that our football team is completely irrelevant. Friedgen has only won with someone else's recruits, so I say one more year and then we need to move on.

boomer is right on. campbell is the main problem. if you watch the games, you see how inaccurate he is and how many turnovers he has. he also can not deliver the big pass when they need it. just look at the pass to moss against denver, no pressure, moss wide open and the ball is not even close. i know that is only one pass, but there has been 5 years of that pass for me. most of you media redskin guys are really bad at talent evaluation. bottom line, campbell is not good.

For all of you who think Campbell is "good enough" and the Skins should stick with him.. the Vikings are lucky they don't have you as GM.. or they would have Tarvaris Jackson at QB right now.. and probably barely be in the playoff hunt.

So we slap Farve in there and Portis turn's into Adrian Peterson, Andre Carter into Jared Allen, Dockery into Steve Hutchinson, and Moss rolls back the clock on Father Time and turns into Percy Harvin?
Sign me up!

Posted by: mattsoundworld
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My point was don't just stick with what you have because it is "good enough" The Vikings took a CHANCE on Farve and it payed off.. And yeah the Skins need more than just a NEW QB.. But they do have a top 5 defense.. and last year 4 guys on the offense went to the Pro Bowl yet Campbell couldn't break 8 wins. Yeah the OL is bad but that doesn't mean the QB is good...

Bunch of lil Danny Synder's....
Its all JC fault, no excuses, blah, blah, blah...
There are 11 men on the offense, when one or more don't do what they are supposed to do thats when the plan fails. Now I have my own issues w/ JC but I don't blame him.
Someone wrote a post that mentioned that the JC detractors fail to mention the Olines of the QB's they compare him to are STABLE.
People may whine about 'making excuses' for JC. Its more like giving story context.

I blame Campbell too. He's a 4th quarter choker. He commanded a "playoff team" back in 2007, but that team only made the playoffs BECAUSE JC17 got injured.

All you have to do is look back to the 2007 season and the 4 straight losses prior to Campbell getting injured. We lost in succession to:

• Eagles (late 4th quarter Campbell fumble to seal the game 33-25),
• Cowboys (Campbell 3rd quarter fumble and 4th quarter INT on potential game winning drive; 28-23 final),
• Bucs (2 INT’s and 1 lost fumble by Campbell, including a backbreaker INT on final drive in last 3 mins (sound familiar?); 19-13 final), and finally
• Bills (Campbell had 1 INT, 1 lost fumble and was sacked for a safety in the endzone; Skins lose 17-16).

After Campbell was injured early in the next game against the Bears, Todd Collins led the Skins on a 4-0 streak to make the playoffs. If you look back at those 4 straight close losses with Campbell under center, there’s a familiar pattern that repeated itself in the Dallas game this year. The games were all close, and in almost every case, Campbell was put in position to be a 4th quarter hero on a game winning drive. Just like in 2007, what Campbell gave us instead was a 4th quarter turnover to seal the defeat. As for the Philly game, I don't think anyone expected Campbell to pull that out. He's just not that kind of winner.
Posted by: Kenbeatrizz
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GREAT RESEARCH.. And I agree with you 100%

It is more than QB - who I now admit is not a starter, at least not for this team:

-I hate to say it but Portis might have seen his best days pass; he has been dreadful this year and he was healthy earlier.

-Jim Zorn just does not generate that spark and confidence that make a great head coach.

-The entire O-Line needs to be jettisoned and replaced in the offseason.

-The owner, aside from being a @#$%@# who sues ticket holders, fires employees for demanding pay for the hours they worked, pushing tailgating back so everyone buys overpriced stadium food, and censoring the fans, hires monkeys like Cerrato who do not know what they are doing and has NO concept of an offensive line.

The 'Skins need to fire Cerrato, have Snyder step into the shadows and pick a president of football operations who know football and has the guts to tell Snyder when he is being stupid (b/c we know Snyder will not, unfortunately, sell the team), and just press the self-destruct button on the entire offense except for Cooley, Davis, Sellers, Cartwright, and Thomas and Kelly (b/c we cannot really get rid of them yet).

When you are 3-8 you are not on the brink of playoffs. You stink. Deal with it.

Say what you want about Timmy Tebow but he is a winner. Dungy thinks the guy will win at the next level. If he's available early 2nd round the Skins should take him. Did anyone really believe that Campbell was gonna find a way to win the Eagles game or take it to overtime? Has Campbell ever imposed his will on a game as a starting QB? Great guy, but backup QB.

So many people want to keep blaming the O line for JCs problems and refuse to recognize he is just plain not suited for the offense. I can watch a game and predict where the ball is going 9 out of 10 times (10yds or less downfield) and if I (a casual fan) can see that, don't you think every defensive coach we face can see that? He is so predictable. And I would say that Aaron Rogers has as worse o-line problem that JC has (44 sack for -260yds vs 30 for -182) and yet, AR is ranked in the top 5 qbs in the league w/22tds vs 5ints. Look up JCs stats; 12/11. Face it, folks, JC may say the right things, and act "like a man" and take a beating every Sunday, but bottom line...he is just not very good at what he does.

Okay ,okay, I would bring Campbell back for another season. But it would an open competition for the starting spot. JC, Colt Brennan or anyone else they can bring in can compete for the job. I don't think you can go into camp with Jason Candle penciled in as your #1

Boomer is obviously confused. How can he come to a conclusion and yet talk about learning a new system every year? I could see if he was in the same system, and many in the same system take a while to get going, but Jason has NO FREAK'N support!!! NO OL. Portis is done. Has been for a while. No one opposite Moss. You guys know this.

Here is proof it isn't about Campbell.
Just replace Campbell. Keep Zorn, Portis, OL, Moss sidekicks and see where they go. Don't change anything, but Campbell. They will go no where.

He deserves the same protection as other QBs across the league. Given that he will shine. Mobile or not. Brady has shown he can't do anything without protection or a broken part of his system (remember no welker?) He is in a nice system but it is falling... falling...

Vince Young is showing if you let me use my skills like you let others use theirs I can work for you. Mobile QBs still need protection and a RB. If you give them that look at how they can add more variables to the gameplan.

Favre looks good because he has what he demanded. A RB. WRssss.... OL... Take it away and you have 4-5 INTs. In the playoffs it will show.

Anyway Campbell is not the issue. Zorn and his offense with how many years of prior experience????????

Kenbeatrizz, the fact that you're comparing campbell of 2007 to campbell of 2009 makes you an idiot. that fact that you're comparing campbell of 2007 (his first season as a full starter) under al saunder's offensive system to 2009 (still the full starter) under zorn's system make you an even bigger idiot. compare campbell to any other qb from 2007 and 2009 and you'll see that only brett favre and peyton manning are the only winning qb's. you'll also see that of the, favre and manning are still playing in the same or similar offensive system and have much better protection to allow them to make plays. jay cutler is no longer in a wco and the bears went from a run first scheme (just like the redskins are supposed to be) to a pass oriented scheme. you can clearly see the results. the bears are just 4-7 and we're 3-8. the bears and redskins have been taken out of their element. campbell isn't the centerpiece on offense. clinton portis is...he's snyder's buddy. since portis wasn't getting it done and cartwright aren't called upon on a regular basis, that forces campbell to be the guy. he's more of a game manager but if you truly believe he's the single reason we've lost a game that our defense couldn't keep us in, you truly are dumber than a 5th grader.

and to clarify about manning and favre as opposed to brady who's also a winning qb. manning and favre have had coaching changes (well favre went from gb to ny to minn). they both have continuity playing under the same system. you can't expect a qb to change from one system to the next and instantly do well. it doesn't matter about flacco or ryan. those two are also more game managers. flacco has 3 running backs to rely upon whil ryan has turner. they also have a line that can run block and open the holes as well as running backs that actually practice. most importantly, flacco and ryan have an owner and gm that won't interfere w/ the coach. if you think that's an excuse, you don't know football. why debate the likes of a dungy or ozzie newsome? compare campbell to any qb in the league if you want but don't compare based on what the qb does alone...compare qb situations...what's happening around them. do they have an effective running game? do they have reliable pass catcher? does their defense play a full 4 qtrs of football? are the playcallers calling sensible plays that maximize the abilities of the skill players? do any of the winning teams have cerrato and snyder or even a playcaller by commitee?

There is only one qb in the league that can win without a offensive line he plays for Pittsburgh.

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Aaron Rodgers wins without a OL.. In fact he has the Pack right in the playoff hunt. Campbell just uses the OL as an excuse... I don't care how bad they are there is no excuse to lose to Detroit... or to be 5-16 your last 21 games...

Patrick Ramsey had more 4th Quarter comebacks then Campbell and I can count them on 1 hand. I am not bashing JC because I beleive his talent was wasted. He could have grew in a smart system that didnt invlove the offense of the year routine. At this point it is over and he has been wasted. We have to move on. Probably Colt Brennan until a replacement can be groomed. I have no faith in Brennan, but JC is done and Collins would cause the National Media to pile on the skins and that would perpetuate more of the cycle that we need to break. Sorry guys JC was wasted and we will never and should never know how good a redskin QB he could have been.

I don't care what anyone says I like JC as our QB. Alot of haters wanted to drop him for Jay Cutler, how's that working out for Chicago? Or Sanchez, the Jets have a playoff roster and yet they will most likely finish with only 6 or 7 wins this year. Just remember the grass is always greener and I promise you that if JC leaves DC he will be leading a team in the playoffs elsewhere.

I can watch a game and predict where the ball is going 9 out of 10 times (10yds or less downfield)
Posted by: wydafish | December 3, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse
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I do not know how you could possible tell that becasue you can not see the coverage or routes as they develop on TV. Thjere are very few pass plays that are designed to go to one particular person, coverage dictates who the ball goes to 90% of the time. You ignorance of the game undercuts your position.

I don't care what anyone says I like JC as our QB. Alot of haters wanted to drop him for Jay Cutler, how's that working out for Chicago? Or Sanchez, the Jets have a playoff roster and yet they will most likely finish with only 6 or 7 wins this year. Just remember the grass is always greener and I promise you that if JC leaves DC he will be leading a team in the playoffs elsewhere.
Posted by: bhickson
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First Sanchez is a ROOKIE.. Your comparing a 5 year veteran to a rookie? And even with his mistakes he has lead the team to 5 wins including one over NE. The Skins under Campbell couldn't beat Detroit. And playoff roster how do you figure.. the Jets didn't make the playoffs last year and they had Farve. And Cutler? Yeah a lot more picks.. but the Bears have no defense no running game and as bad a OL and WR's as the Skins have. But The Bears also have a better record and Cutler has scored 216 points to the Redskins 170. Everyone keeps saying thank goodness we didn't get Sanchez or Cutler.. why??? Does anyone really think they do do WORSE than 3-7!!! and that's playing for the most part bad teams. You can make all the excuses you want but Campbell has never looked good here regardless of the coaches or players around him.

Campbell will be a winning QB as soon as he leaves the Redskins organization.
Who in their right mind would want to play for the Skins? Payday guys, show me the money guys, guys that don't have a choice.

Danny and Vinny have dug this hole deep.

VINNY and DANNY WILL CONTINUE TO HAND PICK ANYONE WHO WILL WORK WITH THEM

Oh, the ghosts of Skins' QB's past! Stan Humphries took SD to the SB. Rich Gannon took the Raiders to the SB. Brad Johnson won a SB with the Bucs. Trent Green led KC to a 13-3 season before an upset home playoff loss to Peyton / the Colts. Heck, even Gus Ferotte started a playoff game for the Lions - the one and only home playoff game at Fedex! I, too, am sick of Jason not delivering when the game is on the line and the high turnover rate...but we do not have a plan "B". If the Skins spend a fortune on a rookie QB in the draft and neglect the O-line again...we will continue to watch the same nightmare. The Skins need to make the O-line a priority in the upcoming draft. They should sign Jason to a 1 year deal to see if he can play behind a competent line while addressing the other glaring weaknesses: bring in a proven GM that can evaluate talent, assess whether the 3 2nd rounders (and Marko Mitchell) can be the receiving corp of the future, build a secondary that can cover and tackle, and get a young, explosive running back. Honestly, this can be done quickly if they make sound draft picks, cut the dead weight, and acquire value in free agency rather than over the hill, former pro-bowlers or extreme reaches (like Brandon Lloyd, Adam Archeleta, Randel El, Jason Taylor, etc). Parcells brought in a bunch of his "boys" when he assembled the team in Miami. That team had nothing and went from 1-15 to 11-5 with a QB with no arm strength (Pennington), no WR's, no O-line, an aging defense and two question marks at running back (injury prone Ronnie and Rasta Ricky). Danny has got to get the GM pick right and build in this order. They may find that with an extra second, Jason can hit huge targets like Marko Mitchell, Thomas, Kelly and Davis. And getting a game changing running back could fix a ton of their offensive woes. Add in corners that don't play 20 yards off the line of scrimmage and still let WR's run past them, and this could be a playoff team...can't it?

Fact is charro, that Campbell was lousy in 2007 when he had a chance to be a winning QB on a VERY good football team and is even lousier now. You're a buffoon and that's the way it is. Just stating facts.

Campbell is an average QB at best. NO better than Collins with the exception of less age and mileage.

Even THIS season Collins has the longer completion arm to arm (not including yards after the catch) so the "Campbell's canon arm" argument bites the dust as well...or did they import a different superior line and a better Santana Moss clone for that play?

Apologies for the sarcasm, but the choice of so many to ignore facts regarding Campbell annoys me.

Campbell has not functioned in this WC offense, Gibbs' Offense (either version), Saunders Offense (either version) or when given the chance to just go deep. What's left? Wildcat? Fact is he stinks in EVERY offensive system b/c he makes EVERY offensive system look bad, good O-LINE or NOT.

Honestly, look at when Campbell's stats are good [when opposing D's have called off the dogs...or the 'Skins D has locked down opponent's scoring for the game], and when they're not [when the game is on the line and the opposing D is coming full bore].

That speaks to poorly honed skills and a lack of confidence.

When 3 coaches [1 HOF'er] can only squeeze "pretty good" out of a QB and ONLY when there's NO pressure...that's a BAD sign.

Yes if you surrounded Campbell with an offense built SOLELY around his skills, a healthy all-pro line, great WRs, and a stud RB he'll be great...of course so would Tony Banks (or anyone with a pulse...including MY fat, slow grandma) under those circumstances.

I have heard the arguments about why to keep Campbell. We have too much invested already. He has all the tools. Too many systems for him to learn. Great guy. We don't want to start over, blah blah. He will go to another team with a good line and the same system year on year and really start winning...blah-blah. His receivers drop balls on him. He could be great in a few years.

The problem is this; He can't make the throws or the reads. He winds up slow. He takes forever to decide or he gets jumpy in the pocket. He throws the screen pass low, costing yardage, he regresses in his habits, he misses the long ball to Moss, his persona in the huddle does not inspire. He does not lead long drives, he struggles in the Red Zone. He does not have "it". We tried to give him the chance to shine here, it did not happen. We got a "Qbee" head coach, Zorn, just to whisper sweet nothings in his headset and throw tackling dummies and beach balls at him, he has had every chance to succeed with two years in the West Coast just for Jason offense. He is a failure in Washington. If he does great elsewhere, I can live with it. This town needs a breath of fresh air.

fact is jsmith33351, you throw out the word BUFFOON like i'm actually supposed to be offended. you haven't stated any fact. you stated a narrow opinion that hasn't amounted to anything. your lack of observation on the football field tells me everything i need to know about you. campbell won 5 games that contributed to the redskins getting to the playoffs. all you're insinuating is that collins did it all by himself. you've yet to prove me wrong in terms of how campbell has single handedly lost a game for the redskins. that's because you can't a-s-s-hole. it takes a whole football team to lose a game but i already know that you've probably never even touched a football in your life. the next time you wanna name call, try joining the 21st century and hit me up w/ something that'll actually make me chuckle. you're a little bich and that's the way it is. just stating the facts

Losing brings out the best in everyone, why don't we just stick to the facts:
1. No O Line
2. Need a new RB (I’ve always like Betts (minus fumbling) and Cartwright)
3. Receivers that can make plays (please play Marko Mitchell)
4. To me the play calling has gotten better, we have been scoring more points anyway and the stats are up
5. Less 3 and outs, give the D a rest and control the clock.
6. Get back to basics running, catching blocking and tackling
7. Yes Zorn is gone
8. Everyone that leaves the Redskins become successful with other teams (Ryan Clark, Antonio Pierce, Coach Williams, etc.)
9. Oh yeah Vinnie, C ya later bye
Yes we do have a playoff roster, any coach that takes over will not need a complete overhaul to win. Protect the QB and let’s see where we are. I like JC and think he is a capable QB. Boomer who cares what that idiot thinks, he didn't do much in the NFL and he had a playoff caliber roster at Cincy and Jets. I love these old has-been QB coming back telling the modern day QB's how to play the position. You see it every week calling college games. Boomer go back to MD and help Friedgen resurrect the program since you love MD so much. Get off the air with your bull feces.

Jason is fine. Not saying that he's Peyton Manning, but he is fine and the team can win with him. Portis is too banged up now. Need new O-Line and running back. The way forward is to focus on improving the running game. Remember last year we did fine when Portis was running well. That's Redskins football. Remember, if you draft a new QB, it will be (1) not certain that they will succeed (2) another few years of development, and (3) expensive in terms of picks.

1. You believe Clinton Portis is at the peak of his career. He's been holding back all season and is just waiting to come back and run for 200 yards a game.
Sheriff gonna get'cha when he comes back!

2. You believe that an offensive line is meant to be like a game of musical chairs. Rotation is the key. Never play the same line up twice...keeps defensive lines off balance. These are STRATEGIC injuries.

3. You believe signing old veterans is a secret strategy to building a team. Drafting is just a farce...picks are just bargaining chips for trade bait on over the hill free agents.

4. You believe only one NFL caliber receiver is required as a target. The other two are just for show.

5. You believe that the more you pay a player - the better he must be. You can take a $50 lineman, sign him to a $1 billion contract and bingo! He's the best in the league. This same strategy works for draft picks. If you are picked in the first round, you WILL be the best.

6. You believe Vinny Cerrato is an under rated offensive architect genius. Not only is his herculean draft strategy of taking the best player available the envy of the league, but he can also host a show.

7. You believe Colt Brennan is a hidden gem & no one signed him off our practice squad last year because the other 31 GMs in the league are a bad judge of talent. Or no one needed a starting QB last year. All year. 16 games. Even if their starting QB was #32 in the league. They just didn't know about the infamous Colt Brennan.

Uh huh. Campbell is the problem. Just replace him because 1 thru 7 listed above, are all true.