in my research, i found the that german antifa/black bloc/BZs have been up against serious nazi violence with exploding cars, mass incursions, street battles etc... and perhaps some fatalities. over here, its positivly serene in comparison.

in my research, i found the that german antifa/black bloc/BZs have been up against serious nazi violence with exploding cars, mass incursions, street battles etc... and perhaps some fatalities. over here, its positivly serene in comparison.

One is minded of the 'National Socialist Underground' murders (2000-2007), failure of police initially to connect them together (or even to identify them as politically-motivated), the emergence subsequently of evidence to suggest the perpetrators and their accomplices were known to police, intelligence and/or security organisations, and the ongoing delays to the prosecution of Beate Zschäpe and others.

One is minded of the 'National Socialist Underground' murders (2000-2007)...

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I just noticed that one of the prosecution witnesses is Carsten Szczepanski. Szczepanski was a German neo-nazi who was turned by the state after his arrest for attempted murder. He worked as an informer from 1994 until 2000. At least as early as 1998 Szczepanski provided intelligence on defendant Beate Zschäpe and her dead NSU comrades Uwe Mundlos and Uwe Böhnhardt, as confirmed by intelligence documents put before the court. And yet... Within two years, they were setting off on a terroristic bloodbath which the state did not even acknowledge as politically-motivated murder until more than a decade later.

“The Sargents' key international supporter aside from Harold Covington was the German nazi Carsten Szczepanski. In the autumn of 2000, Szczepanski admitted to being a police informer, having been recruited by the internal security service [Verfassungsschutz] when on remand for the attempted murder of a Nigerian immigrant. During the C18 split [i.e. late 1996 onwards], Szczepanski, codenamed Piato, distributed pro-Sargent material amongst German nazis. He was later to form the National Revolutionary Cells [Nationalrevolutionären Zellen], a proto-terrorist group that openly advocated violence.” (p279, 2014 Milo Books edition.)​

“...Szczepanski had already gained a reputation as a neo-Nazi at the beginning of the 1990s. He was part of the right-wing extremist skinhead milieu and had contact with the leadership of the National Front. He was also instrumental in establishing an offshoot of the Ku Klux Klan in Germany.

“In 1992, police raided an apartment rented by Szczepanski and found four pipe bombs, explosive material and detonators. The police then undertook a preliminary inquiry on the suspicion that he was involved in founding a terrorist organisation. However, Szczepanski was never charged or sentenced for these crimes—indicating that he was at this point already being employed and receiving cover from the intelligence service.

“According to the Brandenburg intelligence service, it first began to work with Szczepanski in 1994, after he had begun a long prison sentence for attempting to murder a Nigerian, Steve Erenhi. Despite the gravity of his crime, Szczepanski was already a free man in 1997, and renewed his activities in the neo-fascist milieu as V-man ‘Piato.’”​

“Szczepanski had contact with Federal Crime Police Office (BKA) in the early 1990s and provided information on the German Ku-Klux-Klan during interrogations. He was released early from prison on the order of the VS [i.e. the regional agency, Verfassungsschutz] and employed by them for the next six years, earning around 70,000 DM (£23,500). It later became known that Szczepanski had a leading role with the [well-established neo-nazi party] NPD in Berlin-Brandenburg as well as with the Nationalrevolutionären Zellen (National Revolutionary Cells) and Blood & Honour, and that he spent those years building up far-right organisations in the region.”​

It should also be noted that Szczepanski was at the time he was covertly working for the German secret state, he was publicly identified as a key figure in the neo-nazi networks (e.g., see this 1996 article from the ADL).

Meanwhile, I see that connections between NSU and Combat 18 have been made in some German quarters (eg AntifaInfoblatt).

So a German state asset (Szczepanski) was used to align with British state assets (Charlie and/or Steve Sargent) in their feud with other British state assets (Will Browning and/or Darren Wells) at a time when the organisation subject to this dispute - itself widely suspected of having been a state-organised/supported honeytrap - was in the process of building international links, notably in Scandinavia and eastern Europe, and plotting and executing transnational terrorist plots, all whilst he engaged with (and informed upon) right-wing cadres who would subsequently go on to commit ten murders (and one attempted), more than a dozen bank robberies, and at least two bombings...

How the fuck can the Germans still have Nazis? The last time they were in charge the country was wrecked and divided into 2 for 50 years and everyone in Europe would happily do it all again if they even looked like coming back.

Israel has Nazis and Russia, stupid; evil crosses all frontiers.
Israel has Nazis and Russia. Stupid evil crosses all frontiers.
Israel has Nazis, and Russia is stupid. Evil crosses all frontiers.
Israel has Nazis, and Russia, and stupid evil. It crosses all frontiers.

How the fuck can the Germans still have Nazis? The last time they were in charge the country was wrecked and divided into 2 for 50 years and everyone in Europe would happily do it all again if they even looked like coming back.

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They're already back but they're a severe nuisance rather than a threat to the existing order. Like the left, they're merely a niche market in an ocean of consumer choice.

...quite a few existed in stasis ( no pun intended ) in East Germany then became thawed out after re-unification like The Thing...then there were always just-about-legal West German parties like the Socialist Reich Party, NDP & Republikaners...

How the fuck can the Germans still have Nazis? The last time they were in charge the country was wrecked and divided into 2 for 50 years and everyone in Europe would happily do it all again if they even looked like coming back.

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NPD (originally DRP) were around from '50-onward, despite being banned and pursued by state and federal intelligence services in West Germany. "Denazification" in the Allied zone was a bust, so loads of party-members ended up in state employment. Nazism never went away, it just went underground.

NPD (originally DRP) were around from '50-onward, despite being banned and pursued by state and federal intelligence services in West Germany. "Denazification" in the Allied zone was a bust, so loads of party-members ended up in state employment. Nazism never went away, it just went underground.

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While I can sort of understand people who grew up in the era of Nazism clinging to the past. Anyone growing up in post war world let alone Germany thinking it is a good idea is baffling to me.
While the symbols are pretty much going to be seen as evil in the west for many years to come (which of course has a weird attractiveness of its own)
As an idea it has nothing going for it real life proved it wrong on everything.

While I can sort of understand people who grew up in the era of Nazism clinging to the past. Anyone growing up in post war world let alone Germany thinking it is a good idea is baffling to me.
While the symbols are pretty much going to be seen as evil in the west for many years to come (which of course has a weird attractiveness of its own)
As an idea it has nothing going for it real life proved it wrong on everything.

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It is (same as ever, really) about being able to blame someone else for your own shortcomings. The NPD (ironically) blamed a lot of stuff on ethnic Germans - "they come here, steal our jobs" etc - and then later on Turks and other gastarbeiter. Some people love to have a scapegoat.

There appears to be much more going on in Germany than is being reported in the press. I was speaking to someone in Munich last night, Merkel's approval ratings are dropping like a stone. Resentment is increasing greatly in 'ordinary', i.e. not aligned to any extremist party, they feel that Merkel's largesse was not with the consent of the people, and in Munich there is pressure on housing and medical facilities. It was also reported (other than the report of a single person, I have no way of verifying
this) that there has been a deal of criminality on the part of the refugees, with several rapes reported.

There appears to be much more going on in Germany than is being reported in the press. I was speaking to someone in Munich last night, Merkel's approval ratings are dropping like a stone. Resentment is increasing greatly in 'ordinary', i.e. not aligned to any extremist party, they feel that Merkel's largesse was not with the consent of the people, and in Munich there is pressure on housing and medical facilities. It was also reported (other than the report of a single person, I have no way of verifying
this) that there has been a deal of criminality on the part of the refugees, with several rapes reported.

This is prime breeding territory for the far right.

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On the other hand, I've heard stories of massive overcrowding in refugee accomodation.

The crisis last summer took the whole continent by surprise, so they've had to improvise on the hoof. But this was an occasion when the Merk's steady as she goes leadership style was inadequate and something more attuned to the situation was needed.

As for Munich, well one factor there is that property prices and rents have been horrendous for years anyway.

On the other hand, I've heard stories of massive overcrowding in refugee accomodation.

The crisis last summer took the whole continent by surprise, so they've had to improvise on the hoof. But this was an occasion when the Merk's steady as she goes leadership style was inadequate and something more attuned to the situation was needed.

As for Munich, well one factor there is that property prices and rents have been horrendous for years anyway.

There appears to be much more going on in Germany than is being reported in the press. I was speaking to someone in Munich last night, Merkel's approval ratings are dropping like a stone. Resentment is increasing greatly in 'ordinary', i.e. not aligned to any extremist party, they feel that Merkel's largesse was not with the consent of the people, and in Munich there is pressure on housing and medical facilities. It was also reported (other than the report of a single person, I have no way of verifying this) that there has been a deal of criminality on the part of the refugees, with several rapes reported.

This is prime breeding territory for the far right.

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Strangely enough (he wrote sarcastically) that resentment was minimal until Springer Media and a handful of pols started a concerted whinge-a-thon back in mid-September, and the rest of the media circulated it 24/7.
As for Munich, the strain on resources is caused by geography, just as resources were strained in '89 - by the Austro-German border being a prime crossing site.

I just noticed that one of the prosecution witnesses is Carsten Szczepanski. Szczepanski was a German neo-nazi who was turned by the state after his arrest for attempted murder. He worked as an informer from 1994 until 2000. At least as early as 1998 Szczepanski provided intelligence on defendant Beate Zschäpe and her dead NSU comrades Uwe Mundlos and Uwe Böhnhardt, as confirmed by intelligence documents put before the court. And yet... Within two years, they were setting off on a terroristic bloodbath which the state did not even acknowledge as politically-motivated murder until more than a decade later.

“The Sargents' key international supporter aside from Harold Covington was the German nazi Carsten Szczepanski. In the autumn of 2000, Szczepanski admitted to being a police informer, having been recruited by the internal security service [Verfassungsschutz] when on remand for the attempted murder of a Nigerian immigrant. During the C18 split [i.e. late 1996 onwards], Szczepanski, codenamed Piato, distributed pro-Sargent material amongst German nazis. He was later to form the National Revolutionary Cells [Nationalrevolutionären Zellen], a proto-terrorist group that openly advocated violence.” (p279, 2014 Milo Books edition.)​

“...Szczepanski had already gained a reputation as a neo-Nazi at the beginning of the 1990s. He was part of the right-wing extremist skinhead milieu and had contact with the leadership of the National Front. He was also instrumental in establishing an offshoot of the Ku Klux Klan in Germany.

“In 1992, police raided an apartment rented by Szczepanski and found four pipe bombs, explosive material and detonators. The police then undertook a preliminary inquiry on the suspicion that he was involved in founding a terrorist organisation. However, Szczepanski was never charged or sentenced for these crimes—indicating that he was at this point already being employed and receiving cover from the intelligence service.

“According to the Brandenburg intelligence service, it first began to work with Szczepanski in 1994, after he had begun a long prison sentence for attempting to murder a Nigerian, Steve Erenhi. Despite the gravity of his crime, Szczepanski was already a free man in 1997, and renewed his activities in the neo-fascist milieu as V-man ‘Piato.’”​

“Szczepanski had contact with Federal Crime Police Office (BKA) in the early 1990s and provided information on the German Ku-Klux-Klan during interrogations. He was released early from prison on the order of the VS [i.e. the regional agency, Verfassungsschutz] and employed by them for the next six years, earning around 70,000 DM (£23,500). It later became known that Szczepanski had a leading role with the [well-established neo-nazi party] NPD in Berlin-Brandenburg as well as with the Nationalrevolutionären Zellen (National Revolutionary Cells) and Blood & Honour, and that he spent those years building up far-right organisations in the region.”​

It should also be noted that Szczepanski was at the time he was covertly working for the German secret state, he was publicly identified as a key figure in the neo-nazi networks (e.g., see this 1996 article from the ADL).

Meanwhile, I see that connections between NSU and Combat 18 have been made in some German quarters (eg AntifaInfoblatt).

So a German state asset (Szczepanski) was used to align with British state assets (Charlie and/or Steve Sargent) in their feud with other British state assets (Will Browning and/or Darren Wells) at a time when the organisation subject to this dispute - itself widely suspected of having been a state-organised/supported honeytrap - was in the process of building international links, notably in Scandinavia and eastern Europe, and plotting and executing transnational terrorist plots, all whilst he engaged with (and informed upon) right-wing cadres who would subsequently go on to commit ten murders (and one attempted), more than a dozen bank robberies, and at least two bombings...

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Zschäpe's trial resumes this Tuesday and she's announced that she's finally going to break her silence, so things could finally get interesting after 2 and a half years.
Or it could end up being another one of her delaying tactics.
Or, If she does start singing and gets on one about the Verfassungsschutz, I think we could well be in for one of those nasty custodial fatal stair case accidents things.

Zschäpe's trial resumes this Tuesday and she's announced that she's finally going to break her silence, so things could finally get interesting after 2 and a half years.

...Or, If she does start singing and gets on one about the Verfassungsschutz, I think we could well be in for one of those nasty custodial fatal stair case accidents things.

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Things have indeed taken an interesting turn at the trial of Beate Zschäpe:

A woman accused of being the only surviving member of a murderous German neo-Nazi cell that remained undetected for over a decade, has broken her silence for the first time telling a court she was not involved in the planning or carrying out of the attacks but that she regretted failing to prevent them.

...In a statement read out by her lawyer, Zschäpe painted an image of herself as a victim and passive bystander, insisting she only found out about the killings after they had taken place.

She said she had not been able to muster the courage to turn her back on the men or to go to the police, because they had threatened to kill themselves if she did so. She also denied being part of the National Socialist Underground (NSU)...

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How Zschäpe’s statement might cause the court to alter its judgment of her remains to be seen, but those who have followed the trial throughout have said that Zschäpe has hitherto emerged as a highly confident, dye-in-the-wool Nazi, who has shown no remorse for the NSU’s victims.

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Worth repeating:

The trial has also caused considerable embarrassment for Germany’s domestic spy agency, the BfV, after it was revealed that the agency had shredded documents following the NSU’s exposure in a possible attempt to cover up aspects of its investigative role. The BfV’s head, Heinz Fromm, was forced to resigned over the revelations.

The general consensus seems to be that she's bullshitting to get her sentence reduced.
Here statements don't add with certain evidence and certainly not with her decision to stubbornly stay silent for years.
...and she asks for the families of the victims to accept her apologies for being "morally guilty"... after dragging it out for ages. Horrible woman.
Hopfully the prosecution grill the fuck out of her now.