Concern with being shot by another CC'er?

This is a discussion on Concern with being shot by another CC'er? within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Guns and more
That's why CC's aren't cops. They are not supposed to get involved.
Depends on the situation. Age, gender, stance. ...

Depends on the situation. Age, gender, stance. All of those would greatly influence my reaction as the "second CCW".

Pardon my pragmatism, but I'm far more likely to stick my neck out to aide the "white haired elderly lady" than any man.

OK, I'll play along and give you a scenario, based on real life BTW.

69 y/o "little old lady" walking across the parking lot of a mall after her shopping trip. She has one bag, with store name on said bag. Suddenly two individuals come up to her. One turns her and places her onto a nearby vehicle. The other stands to the side and has a weapon drawn. You, Jolly Joe CCW Holder and savior of the world sees the "little old lady" and decide to intervene on her behalf.

GAME OVER!!!

The "little old lady" in question is a known felon and the two that appear to be aggressors are in fact law enforcement agents. The lady in question is known to carry a gun and is wanted for murder in relation to insurance fraud. The LEO's are dressed in "street clothes" and have no identifying insignia.

Still want to get involved? Before that gun comes out you need to be 100% sure of what is going on. If you produce your gun and foolishly point it at the LEO's they are justified in ending your life to save theirs. I myself will not shed one tear for you, as you were the fool here.

Your CCW Permit is not a "Save The World" license. That "little old lady" is afforded the same opportunity as you in regards to protecting herself, yet chose not to do so. Who are you to countermand her choice? Be a good witness and summon those with the statutory authority to intervene in this situation. If the suspected badguys turn on you, then deal with them in the appropriate manner best fitting the circumstances.

I don't care if the "little old lady" dies or is injured. Fecal matter happens, that's life. If you are wondering, yes, I have multiple "little old ladies" in my family, and while I may intervene and help them, I am also assured of knowing who is who in a situation, you don't.

Your CCW Permit is not a "Save The World" license. That "little old lady" is afforded the same opportunity as you in regards to protecting herself, yet chose not to do so. Who are you to countermand her choice? Be a good witness and summon those with the statutory authority to intervene in this situation. If the suspected badguys turn on you, then deal with them in the appropriate manner best fitting the circumstances.

I don't care if the "little old lady" dies or is injured. Fecal matter happens, that's life. If you are wondering, yes, I have multiple "little old ladies" in my family, and while I may intervene and help them, I am also assured of knowing who is who in a situation, you don't.

Biker

Over the years I've heard countless stories of people being killed, surrounded by witnesses who ignored pleas for help.

I have often posted that my greatest fear, when off duty, is being shot by a fellow LEO. Now add the additional CCW Permit, or whatever name it's called in the various locales, to the conundrum and you have a recipe for disaster.

That is one of many reasons for me to be reticent in engaging another party with a firearm. The only advice I can give on this subject is, If you don't know what's going on, stay the heck out of it!

What you think is happening may be 180 degrees from the truth. You need to be 100% positive, or not get involved.

Biker

YES ! I agree with this unless you see the guy actively doing something illegal, ie; carjacking, mugging, beatdown or another lifethreatening scenario that you have watched unfold before your very eyes, call the POPO and observe!!

"To my mind it is wholly irresponsible to go into the world incapable of preventing violence, injury, crime, and death. How feeble is the mindset to accept defenselessness. How unnatural. How cheap. How cowardly. How pathetic." Ted Nugent

I would rather die with good men than hide with cowardsIf you want to make God laugh, tell him your plans.
Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy."

For the record, I would never recommend drawing on someone. If that was inferred from what I wrote, I am sorry for the confusion.
There are plenty of other options besides a) Barney Fife and b) "stay the heck out of it"

Being cough in a cross fire between a defender and robber could be most painful. I believe that once you enter into the fight not being known by either side of the fight you are very subject to being shot by both good and bad guys. Unless my life or love ones life was in direct danger or the situation was very clear (read below) I would do my best to stay out of the mix and be the best witness I can.

In the event of a robbery in say Stop and Rob with me in back of store getting a soda, and young female clerk facing a masked gunman with big gun and evil in his eyes. If I have a clear shot and believe the gunman will pull the trigger on the clerk then I would shoot to try to save life. If he would shoot the clerk there is nothing to stop him from sweeping the store and shooting anyone else that could be a witness before leaving. Also I do not know if I could live with my self if I just stood there and watched the cold blooded murder having the power to stop it and did nothing.

I'm usually not into hyphothetical situations, but due to the growing number of carry permit holders that could increase the odds of something like this really happening...this one has me thinking "what if"??? Keep in mind this is just one of many possible scenarios.

Let's say you are in a parking lot and are forced to present, but not fire your weapon to stop an attacker with a pipe, crowbar, etc. (Please I'm not looking for a shoot or don't shoot arguement). At the same moment another CC'er is exiting his car and only sees you with your gun drawn, but does not realize you are on the defense. The next thing you see is him drawing down on you!!!

69 y/o "little old lady" walking across the parking lot of a mall after her shopping trip. She has one bag, with store name on said bag. Suddenly two individuals come up to her. One turns her and places her onto a nearby vehicle. The other stands to the side and has a weapon drawn. You, Jolly Joe CCW Holder and savior of the world sees the "little old lady" and decide to intervene on her behalf.

GAME OVER!!!

The "little old lady" in question is a known felon and the two that appear to be aggressors are in fact law enforcement agents. The lady in question is known to carry a gun and is wanted for murder in relation to insurance fraud. The LEO's are dressed in "street clothes" and have no identifying insignia.

Still want to get involved? Before that gun comes out you need to be 100% sure of what is going on. If you produce your gun and foolishly point it at the LEO's they are justified in ending your life to save theirs. I myself will not shed one tear for you, as you were the fool here.

Your CCW Permit is not a "Save The World" license. That "little old lady" is afforded the same opportunity as you in regards to protecting herself, yet chose not to do so. Who are you to countermand her choice? Be a good witness and summon those with the statutory authority to intervene in this situation. If the suspected badguys turn on you, then deal with them in the appropriate manner best fitting the circumstances.

I don't care if the "little old lady" dies or is injured. Fecal matter happens, that's life. If you are wondering, yes, I have multiple "little old ladies" in my family, and while I may intervene and help them, I am also assured of knowing who is who in a situation, you don't.