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And before last year nobody thought the Niners D was elite. The biggest difference from our Good defense of 2 years ago to our Elite defense of last year and this year has been an actual pass rush.

Don't forget Bowman. Having him and Willis back there makes it nearly impossible to run between the tackles. Not taking anything away from Smith, but the Niners have added great pieces to create that D--it's not just one guy. That being said, Miller also benefits a lot from having Dumervil on the other side too.

Don't forget Bowman. Having him and Willis back there makes it nearly impossible to run between the tackles. Not taking anything away from Smith, but the Niners have added great pieces to create that D--it's not just one guy. That being said, Miller also benefits a lot from having Dumervil on the other side too.

I wouldn't say "a lot." Does he benefit from having him? I think you can say that...but Von still gets plenty of double teams with Doom on the other side getting one on one matchups...and he's still beating those double teams more often than Doom is beating his one on one matchup. It's not a knock on Doom (well maybe somewhat..but that's another story)..it's just a testament to how incredible Von is.

It's no secret. Doom benefits from Von more than Von benefits from him.

It's close. Aldon Smith only needs 3 more sacks (and has 6 games to do it) to set the record for most sacks in a players first two years...in NFL freaking history. That puts him ahead of Reggie White and Derrick Thomas.

Last edited by DerekRE_3; 11-20-2012 at 10:34 PM.

Originally Posted by 2shady4u

DerekRE 3 just get the **** out. i mean no one takes you seriously and i bet im the only one with enough balls in my shorts to tell you to **** off. you're not a good poster. go **** yourself.

Both guys are badass. But I gotta go homer with Von Miller. Reason? The better overall player. Von Miller kills Smith in advanced statistics. PFF has Von Miller at +60.1, Aldon Smith has a measly +14.1 in comparison. Don't get me wrong, I think Smith is a fantastic player, but Von Miller is a once in a lifetime talent.

Von Miller can be the cornerstone, the building block of a defense. He's a franchise-caliber defensive player. Can the same be said for Aldon at this point? Like I said in a previous post, I will not lessen what Aldon has done on the field in his year and a half, but is he a complimentary piece to the whole or is he the piece that fuels the machine? I think the answer is fairly obvious that he is a complimentary piece while Von is THAT Denver defense.