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Certainly the question is then over causal mechanism over correlations--and to be sure initially I was incorrect in what I thought were the mechanisms, and I

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Certainly the question is then over causal mechanism over
correlations--and to be sure initially I was incorrect in what I
thought were the mechanisms, and I am not even talking about hydrates
and phase change tempertures--but CO2 as a green house gas--the
dominate dogma of the left at this time. Yet, if you take a step back
from there the REAL question is whether or not human activity, by
burning fossil fuels, deforestation, hydrology changes and so forth,
is causing a problem with climate and if so what are the costs and
benefits.

Here we certainly have said to you that we disagree with your causal
mechanism of the SE BUT that you have found correlative data that is
interesting and perhaps there is another mechanism?

Indeed, to reverse this, look at the reaction to Lindzen's 'iris'
paper by the warmers. Certainly Lindzen was wrong in his
extrapolations, BUT, his paper did indeed pick out the electrical
problem with cirrus behavior and a pure, thermodyanamic view of
things. The failure of cloud scientists to look at what was
correlated and opposed to merely what was speculated to be causal has
been the undoing of skeptical science on the side of the warmers.

Another example that is relevant here--that hurt my own thinking
until just recently, was the double dymino theory on the earth's EMF.
Tim Thompson, a NASA scientist, has a great online paper about it
here:

Tim actually debated here and mostly at CNN. My view is he
subconsiously was looking at the same thing I eventually came up
with . . .

In any event, Tim holds for the double dymino theory of EMFs, DESPITE
the fact that it is not settled science, because much of thinker's
like Thomas Barnes work has been discredited or Barne's motivations
are religious. But let's just say there are a number who have failed
because they haven't followed the inferences and eliminated all
possible solutions. It really starts out with this 1992 research:

BUT, this is merely what ocean currents are like in the context of
the earth's EMF and ignores the "noise" of other EMFs--including the
huge EMFs by strikes that are short in duration and regional in
proximaty and scale.

The wrong headed assumption made was that the storm based EMFs
weren't the CAUSE of the earth's EMF and so were in line with it
qualitatively. This then is enough to explain the 'iris' from an EMF
induction standpoint in the context of the earth's EMF--because that
EMF is related to pulses of AC from the poles, particularly the south
one, which are amplified by convection and charge separation as EMF
cirrus enhancement works its magic. Eventually the wave grows strong
enough to have induction of its own and pass on its positive to
negative current movement--as in the source of the world's EMF.

This ties to yet another mistake--that being what amounts to small
current pulses from the sun in the solar wind don't have a climate
implication--because indeed the currents involved are small, BUT, in
regions of the poles where convection is weak, the start of a Doran
wave, where the solar pulse follows the tight isobars of the magnetic
poles--and commences it, can and does expand to the inducting AC
Doran waves which both create the earth's EMF and is the source of
larger induction fields that ocean currents move relative too.

BUT, if small pulses of solar wind can impact the earth's climate
perhaps a small force from the SE can be implicated as well. So far,
however, I am not satisfied with your reasoning.

Strike link is still down. It times somewhat with the Challenger
disaster. Wonder if NASA people are being relocated or something--if
there is a tie to it being down.

--- In methanehydrateclub@yahoogroups.com, foryeshua1@j... wrote:
> David, You say coronal holes are usually located at the poles?
North
> and South? Do they appear in both poles possibly at the same time
on
> both poles? If they appear there they could be pumping currents
out into
> space into the center of the galaxy, and would indicate a possible
power
> source for the center of the galaxy It would not necessarily even
affect
> a slower and possibly much less intense current generation that
would
> cause the SE I am talking about. If these holes on the poles are
related
> to outer Solar galaxy functions, they may be part of the system that
> keeps us in our rotating position in the galaxy. Walter
>
> On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 06:49:50 -0000 "David <b1blancer1@e...>"
> <b1blancer1@e...> writes:
> --- In methanehydrateclub@yahoogroups.com, foryeshua1@j... wrote:
> > It would occur to me that of all of the holes found in the South
that
> > some would not be capable of joining the SE because of their
specific
> > direction of discharge, referring to the fact that coronal
activity I
> > have observed was expressed in large curling loops which if
broken open
> > might discharge their power in many different directions, (if I am
> > talking about the same phenomena you are referring to.)
>
> Loops and coronal holes are two different things. A coronal hole is
> basically where the sun's magnetic field lines open up. When viewed
> in certain UV ranges, they look like a dark area on the solar disk,
as
> can be seen here :
> http://soho.nascom.nasa.gov/pickoftheweek/old/12sep2002/index.html .
> Coronal holes are usually located at the sun's poles, but sometimes
> they can be seen at other places on the sun as well.
>
> When they do appear not on the poles are they more obvious in their
> affects upon earth? Walter
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David <b1blancer1@earthlink.net>

... Yes, coronal holes can usually be found at the solar poles. The magnetic fields around coronal holes are different. Instead of looping back to reconnect

> David, You say coronal holes are usually located at the poles? North
> and South? Do they appear in both poles possibly at the same time on
> both poles?

Yes, coronal holes can usually be found at the solar poles. The
magnetic fields around coronal holes are different. Instead of looping
back to reconnect on the sun's surface, they are essentially open.
They extend far out into the solar system and no one knows exactly
where they reconnect. Rather than trapping gas and the solar wind, the
open field lines of a coronal hole allow high-speed solar wind
particles to escape.

> If they appear there they could be pumping currents out into
> space into the center of the galaxy, and would indicate a possible power
> source for the center of the galaxy

Power for the center of the galaxy?? Walter, you're talking about
something that's about 50,000 light years away. I think the black
hole residing there does a pretty good job.

foryeshua1@juno.com

David, I say something at the end. Walter On Wed, 05 Feb 2003 03:30:03 -0000 David ... Yes, coronal holes can usually be found

--- In methanehydrateclub@yahoogroups.com, foryeshua1@j... wrote:
> David, You say coronal holes are usually located at the poles? North
> and South? Do they appear in both poles possibly at the same time on
> both poles?

Yes, coronal holes can usually be found at the solar poles. The
magnetic fields around coronal holes are different. Instead of looping
back to reconnect on the sun's surface, they are essentially open.
They extend far out into the solar system and no one knows exactly
where they reconnect. Rather than trapping gas and the solar wind, the
open field lines of a coronal hole allow high-speed solar wind
particles to escape.

> If they appear there they could be pumping currents out into
> space into the center of the galaxy, and would indicate a possible
power
> source for the center of the galaxy

Power for the center of the galaxy?? Walter, you're talking about
something that's about 50,000 light years away. I think the black
hole residing there does a pretty good job.

David, It would seem obvious that function follows available power and
the laws related to transfer of power. For a starter. What keeps a
galaxy in place with its solar systems rotating in relation to its
center. Irregardless of our estimations based upon what forces and
speeds are possible in these relationship rotations in our galaxy, the
fact remains that solar systems are rotating around a center "black hole"
and that each of which MUST be related to the center or we would not be
held together and rotating around it.
Consider the rotation as following the right hand rule, and
bingo, simple electrical rules on earth in our hands and through our
total environment are seen in action. As simply as it can be explained.
Our Sun's superior size and position in our Solar system, would make the
planets in comparison to our Sun, as unimportant as the electrons are to
the Proton of an atom. Though the electrons do have important
characteristics, the power of the Atom center is what is commanding its
relational properties as well as the rotation of its atoms. Our Sun is
the centering power, and rotating force controlling the motion of the
planets, while at the same time it is controlling and being controlled
by, all of the other Planetary systems in relationship to the center
"Black Hole". The shape of that central rotating squeezer is shooting
energy out in a stream that is literally holding and being fed by the
whole galaxy. Close by are the germinating nurserys that are making new
worlds and Solar Systems.
Our earth is being powered by weak eddy currents which are
feeding and powering all of the planets to do what they are doing, and
how fast they are doing it.
It appears that historically not understanding our position in
our solar system and our galaxy is quite related to our inability to
understand which object in our vision is actually in the center of what
we behold. We have been slow to figure that out, but perhaps we will
learn enough to really see what is powering what.
I am honored by your consideration what has been said. Perhaps
together we really can figure this thing out. May God bless us all.
Walter
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