The burka is as illegal as a fatwa, or honor killing, or FGM… or Islamic terror…

A fatwa, an Islamic ruling, has no place in the dar-ul Harb, Â the civilized world, where Muslims have settled in what they perceive to be behind enemy lines. A fatwa can include a death-sentence against blasphemy or an apostate, it justifies polygamy and Â wife-beating, marriage with minors and terrorism against the host country. ShariaÂ courtsÂ are illegal, since they are in direct opposition to our courts and “man made laws,” which Muslims are religiously obliged to replace with the sharia, Islamic law.

A burka comes as a package deal, and is anything but ‘portable seclusion to protect women.’ Â The freedom sack, Â along with aggressive, bearded freaks who wear coffee-filters and flowing robes, Â drives infidels out of Â Moslem inhabited quarters until they turn into ‘no-go’ zones.Â

Should America Ban the Burqa?

Posted ByÂ Phyllis CheslerÂ On July 2, 2009 Pajamas media

Earlier today, Muslims demonstrated in Antwerp to oppose the banning of headscarves in [1]Â two schoolsâ€“and the new Swedish head of the European Union, Justice Minister Beatrice Ask, stated that the “27 member European Union must not dictate an Islamic dress code…(that) the European Union is a union of [2]Â freedom.” As [3]Â my readersÂ know, yesterday, al-Qaeda threatened France because President Sarkozy had called for a ban on the burqa.

Clearly, this is a major issue in Europe where anywhere from 30-50 million Muslims live. Paradoxically, various European countries have banned or restricted the far less restrictive headscarf (hijab) in schools, universities, and courtroomsâ€“but have not yet restricted the far more smothering burqa. Perhaps hijab is seen as the “nose of the camel,” a garment which, if allowed, will lead Europe right down the slippery slope to more oppressively restricted clothing for Muslim-European women.

Could this issue arise in America with its much smaller Muslim population? Is this an issue we must address?

America is a nation of immigrants, one that is dedicated to freedom of religion and to the separation of religion and state. Thus, most Americans are probably inclined to accept that wearing the Islamic burqa (full-face-and-body shroud), niqab (Islamic face mask), and hijab (Islamic headscarf) is a religious choice and should therefore be protected as a religious right. If not, it is feared, other religious symbols and practices might also be banned; and America would be indulging in religious persecution.

For the moment, I do not want to discuss the politicization of Islamic female attire as a visual statement on behalf of Islamist supremacism and jihad, nor do I want to focus on the headscarf (hijab). In fact, I do not yet want to address whether such Islamic female attire ( burqa, niqab, hijab) is a free or a forced choice and whether or not it is mandated by the Qu’ran.

Religious Muslim scholars and other experts disagree profoundly about this. Some say that such attire is merely a pre-Islamic, desert-based custom that has nothing to do with Islam. For example, in 2009, the Muslim Canadian Congress (MCC) urged Canada’s government to ban the burka. Mafooz Kanwar, a professor and an MCC director stated: “The burka is not mandated by Islam or the Qur’an and is therefore not religious and protected under the Charter. In Canada, gender equality is one of our core values and faces are important identifying tools and should not be covered. [4]Â Period.”

Other Muslim scholars insist that such attire is an Islamic custom (if not an actual law) which women must follow in order to be “modest.”

World-wide, many Muslim women do not mask their faces, shroud their bodies, or cover their hairâ€“but many do, especially if they have been threatened with beatings or death if they are not sufficiently “covered.” An increasing number of Muslim women in the West, including educated women, claim that they are freely choosing to wear hijab, the headscarf.

In 2007, Middle East scholar, [5]Â Daniel PipesÂ called for a ban on burqas and niqab â€“not on headscarves. Pipes views the burqa as a security risk and cites literally hundreds of cases in which both common criminals and Islamist terrorists were able to commit robberies, make their [6]Â escapesÂ or blow themselves and others up, both in the West and in the Muslim world, by wearing a burqa. Male criminals and terrorists did this far more often than their female counterparts. Pipes concludes:

“Nothing in Islam requires turning females into shapeless, faceless zombies; good sense calls for modesty itself to be modest. The time has come everywhere to ban from public places these hideous, unhealthy, socially divisive, terrorist-enabling, and criminal-friendly garments.”

I concur. But I would like to explore some other grounds for such a potential ban.

According to French President Nicolas Sarkozy, the burqa is a “moving prison.” French-Muslim Minister of Cities, Fadela Amara, views it as “a coffin that kills individual liberties,” and as proof of the “political exploitation of Islam.”

In a burqa or chadari, one has no peripheral and only limited forward vision; one’s hearing and speech are muffled. One’s facial expressions remain unknown; no eye contact is possible. Movement is severely limited. A first-time burqa wearer may feel that she cannot breathe freely and that she might slowly be suffocating. She may feel buried alive and may become anxious, claustrophobic. (Try on a burqa, this experience is easy to confirm). Imagine the consequences of getting used to this as a way of life. But maybe one never gets used to it. I have heard many descriptions of what Saudi women do the moment their aircraft leaves the Kingdom’s terra firma: they immediately fling off their “coverings.”

A burqa wearer, who can be as young as ten years old, must surely experience both isolation and sensory deprivation which are, essentially, forms of torture which can lead to depression, anxiety, even a psychological breakdown. According to my colleague, psychoanalyst and Arabist, Dr. Nancy L. Kobrin, the burqa may “create an artificially induced autistic-like environment.” Covering up the five senses is harmful to the woman in the burqa; making it impossible to recognize or identify such a woman is potentially harmful to others.

How can that be? The sight of women in burqas and niqab is demoralizing, frightening, to Westerners of all faiths, including the Muslim faith, as well as to secularists. First, their presence signals the visual subordination of women; the fact that these women acquiesce and collaborate in their own subordination is also alarming, a bit terrifying. One knows that the people who do this also publicly whip, cross-amputate, hang, stone, and be-head human beings. And, if the “ghosts” are here (my own name for burqa wearers) they are meant to remind us of just such practices. Pipes’s “faceless, shapeless” women are meant to terrify, disturb. And they do.

Niqab, which allows the eyes to show but masks the face, reminds Westerners of how a masked robber or a Klu Klux Klan member looks. This is not a friendly face in the crowd!

Many Westerners, including Muslims, ex-Muslims, and those Christians and Jews who have fled Muslim lands, may feel haunted, “followed,” when they see burqas and women wearing niqab on the western streets. Is their presence a way of announcing that Islamist supremacism and jihad have arrived?

In the West, the isolation intrinsically imposed by the burqa may be further magnified by the fearful or awkward responses of others. Several New York City Ivy League college students have described to me how a single classmate in a heavy burqa and wearing dark, thick gloves makes them feel: “Very sad.” “Pushed away.” The other students tend not to talk to the burqa wearer. “When she is asked to read aloud she does so but her heavy gloves make turning the pages slow and difficult.” The students feel sorry for her and do not know how to relate to her.

Any religious headgear or garments that do not cover the five senses is obviously permissible. Thus, a nun’s long, dark habit and headgear; a Hasidic Jewish woman’s wig, headscarf, and long, dark, clothing; a Muslim woman’s headscarf (as well as various male Sikh, Hasidic, and Hindu attire) all allow the wearer to breathe, hear, see, smell, and speak. Those who wear such attire are easy to recognise and identify. They can move freely and see clearly. This is not true of the burqa wearer.

Wearing the burqa (and niqab ) may also lead to health hazards. Lifetime burqa wearers may suffer eye damage and may be prone to a host of multi-factorial diseases which are also related to Vitamin D (sunlight deprivation ) deficiency[7]Â e.g. “osteoporosis, heart disease, hypertension, autoimmune diseases, certain cancers, depression, chronic fatigue, and [8]Â chronic pain.”

I therefore suggest that we begin a national conversation about whether we should consider banning the burqa not only for security-related reasons but on the grounds of human rights/women’s rights and for health-related reasons.

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No integration or assimilation:

*Â The Muslims as a whole do not want to integrate into the British society, they want the British to integrate into their society. When the Muslims tried to drive out the Hindu population of Bradford one Hindu reports it as “it is a form of ethnic cleansing”.

In 1980, the Islamic Council for Europe laid out it’s strategy for Europe and the golden rule was “to never dilute your presence”. They concentrate on specific key areas, become the majority in that area, and using our own system against us are able to subvert our country from within. The local community institutions eventually come to resemble Islamic buildings; they then get the education system in that area changed so that it reflects their Islamic ideals; the local shops will stock only those items permissable to Muslims; and they will eventually campaign the Government to have their own Shariah Law introduced in those communities.

And, using our own laws against us, anyone who speaks out about this “Islamisation” of Britain will be deemed “racist or Islamophobic.”

Vacuous platitudes about the “religion of peace” are beyond farce now, andÂ it is quite apparent that if extreme measures are not undertaken to respond to Islamic extremism, sooner or later these evil fanatics will get a result. They are not motivated by opposition to Â the war in Iraq or the activities of Israel, they are driven wholly by a gnawing hatred for the infidel.

Burqa Blues

Another steaming pile of taqiyya mixed with BS from the ABC:

Broadcast: 03/07/2009Â Reporter: Melissa Polimeni

MELISSA POLIMENI, PRESENTER: Virginia Haussegger, ABC newsreader and ‘Canberra Times’ columnist has stirred debate with her suggestion that the wearing of the burqa should be banned. It started with her newspaper column last Saturday and talkback radio, Internet chat rooms and letters to the editor have been buzzing ever since. She described the burqa as an arrogant display of disrespect to Australia, and the Australian way of life.Â

Apparently, it’s also disrespectful to France and the French way of life, with President Sarkozy having already called for a similar ban.Â

But what does the rest of Canberra think? Especially Canberra’s Muslim women?

CANBERRA MAN: Trying to ban something which is a cultural symbol for one group is a way of alienating that group.Â

CANBERRA WOMAN: Everyone has a right to their own religious expression and it doesn’t harm anyone. It’s their own choice.

CANBERRA MAN: It puts women down, you know. It’s a man’s power over a woman. No, I don’t agree with them at all.Â

CANBERRA WOMAN: The women must be satisfied to wear them, or else they wouldn’t, because a lot of them don’t wear them.Â

CANBERRA MAN: If they choose to wear them that’s their choice, much as if I choose to wear this silly hat. (Not. Its never ‘choice’- nobody does this by ‘choice/ed)

AZRA KHAN, CANBERRA ISLAMIC CENTRE: So I think that it’s probably opportunism, the mere fact there is this debate going on in France by Mr Sarkozy coming out and saying what he’s saying. But he’s only saying that for political reasons and there’s obviously an agenda there for him. But I don’t think that that is the case in Australia, and I don’t believe that people actually genuinely support a ban of this nature. I mean, are you going to ban other dress codes? Look at the Jewish faith. Â (No you don’t. Don’t bother with da Jooozzz/ed) Women are also – wear a headscarf. Are we suggesting all headscarfs be banned? This is not something that I believe is an issue, and to make it an issue is just ridiculous.Â

ZAINAB FAROUK, CANBERRA ISLAMIC CENTRE: That kind of statement actually angers me in a sense, because I see Australia as a very tolerate society and I myself, like, I don’t wear the burqa, I don’t even wear the hijab out when I’m going to uni or whatever and I see myself as a very tolerate person and I would accept what everyone else is wearing, and to say that about someone who chooses to wear that is very intolerant and disrespectful in some senses. because there’s a lot of underlying reasons why people would wear it and to label them as arrogant towards society in general, it just doesn’t make sense.Â

ZEENAT AWAN, CANBERRA ISLAMIC CENTRE: It’s just really impractical to have an umbrella policy banning something, especially in this day and age where everybody is so well-informed on their basic rights and their values and the fact that we can express ourselves in different ways regardless of our faith and regardless of whether that may be so different as to somebody else. That’s the whole point of the human experience to be yourself and be true to that person. So I just can’t see any practicality in having something like this, because it just won’t work. Like maybe 100 years ago, but not now. Not anymore.

SABA AWAN, CANBERRA ISLAMIC CENTRE: And even if you were to let’s say ban the burqa, you’d have to ban everything else as well. All sorts of freedom of expression we should dress in a uniform and that’s the end of that. It’s particularly interesting that for the longest time the burqa has become a political issue. Not that I want to pick on any religion. But we’re very accepting of seeing Christian nuns in their full outfit. (Not. We don’t worry about Christian nuns. They don’t blow shit up and they don’t hide their face/ed)They’re highly regarded in the community. Sometimes Muslim women in the community, they need to be given a bit of a break, right. This is their choice and they should be respected for that.

MELISSA POLIMENI: What is the burqa?

AZRA KHAN: The burqa is a dress and it dates back to pre Islamic times and it was worn in the deserts by both males and females and it was essentially a form of protection against the hot wind and the sand and the dust. That’s how it originated back in the Middle East, long before Islam.Â (Bullshit on the double. Go back to the desert/ed)

SHAREEZ FAROUK, CANBERRA ISLAMIC CENTRE: Well, I think it represents a form of identity and again, it’s dependent on how each individual sees that as a form of identity and as you may already been aware, there are some people who choose to wear it and others don’t and it’s a matter of individual judgment as to what is their preferred way of representing their identity. So there is no compassion as anything in religion.

MELISSA POLIMENI: Is it true at all that it’s worn so women aren’t seen as a temptation to men?

AZRA KHAN: Well, if you go back to the origins of the burqa as I mentioned to you, it originally originated as a form of protection against the heat and the dust, and the second purpose was also in those times, women were seen as a form of temptation and in those times, the burqa would provide some kind of protection, and basically result in men not being tempted or sort of forming a view of a particular person, because they dressed in a fully concealed way.

MELISSA POLIMENI: In Australia, are there times when women are forced to wear the burqa, where they have no choice?

SHAREEZ FAROUK: I don’t think that is the situation. As I said, when you’re in prayer, there is a particular code of dress that we are required to follow and that’s compulsory while you’re praying. (When cornered, lie and deny. That’s Islam/ed)

MELISSA POLIMENI: What is that code of dress in prayer?

SHAREEZ FAROUK: In prayer, the code of dress is that a woman covers her whole body, excepting the face and the hands. So if you take the old burqa it’s covering the face as well. You may have seen just the eyes open, but there is no evidence in history or Islam of that being a requirement for the woman.

SABA AWAN: For a lot of women, it is an issue of personal security and protection and in really conservative societies like Iran and Afghanistan, even if they weren’t told to under the Taliban, I have a feeling that for their own sense of security they would choose to do that anyway. If I was going to Afghanistan or Iran I would probably do that as well, not because I have extreme views, but as a form of security against any sort of unsafety or prying eyes or anything like that.

ZAINAB FAROUK: If you look to the Koran, what our religion requires us to do is to be ready in a state of prayer whenever we are dressed or going out, and that requirement allows you to have your hands open and your face open. So in my interpretation of the Koran, I don’t really see it as something that’s you’re required to do.

SABA AWAN: Even in the Koran it allows for a lot of different interpretation, whether you’re living as a young person in the Middle East in a really conservative society or you’re living in Australia for example. It allows for a lot of different interpretations. I guess the reason why I don’t choose to wear the burqa is because one, I feel totally comfortable dressed as I am and I feel that modesty as well, it’s got to do with more than just you wear. It’s how you act and what’s in your heart will reflect your behaviour for other people. So I think that’s definitely an important factor on why I don’t choose to wear it.

MELISSA POLIMENI: Who is the woman under the burqa?

SABA AWAN: Well these are women who – they’ve got families, they have jobs, (they don’t/ed) they’re contributing to their communities and I think in some way the reason why they wear the burqa is because instead of just judging them from what’s on the outside, maybe they also want to be given the opportunity for you to have a chat to them and see what’s going on inside. So they’re not just being judged on face value. These women are just like all of us here, they have lives separate to what’s on the exterior and they want the opportunity to be regarded in that way.

ZAINAB FAROUK: A lot of the underlying reasons why people do wear the burqa is because they do want to be judged for their personality rather than their appearance first. So a lot of people, especially in western societies, they are judged for their appearance first, because that’s what makes the first impression and a lot of Muslim women believe that women should be judged for their personality and their intellect more than their appearance. That’s why they believe they should wear it.

MELISSA POLIMENI: Women you know that wear the burqa, what sort of reactions do they experience when they’re wearing it?

SHAREEZ FAROUK: I think some of them feel sort of that they’re being sort of observed more than others because of the form of dress and I think at the same time they believe in it and take pride in wearing it, so they’re not going to give it up because of the reaction.

MELISSA POLIMENI: And there’s a public forum planned on this subject at the ANU in the next fortnight. We’ll keep you posted.

8 thoughts on “The burka is as illegal as a fatwa, or honor killing, or FGM… or Islamic terror…”

It is rather curious how a person who is removed from meaningful interaction in society can claim that they have been liberated. Another example of the gross idiocy that is islam. As for a national convention – let us decide if we can save our children a lot of bother and throw these muss scum out of Europe.

Just an alert – we seem to have fewer muslim shitheads commenting on this site. It is pretty clear that these parasites may be recording ALL emails in order to shut the site up. Be careful on what you write. Remember that this same weapon can be used against these muslim parasites. USE IT.

“Just an alert – we seem to have fewer muslim shitheads commenting on this site”.

This site contains the truth. That is something quite alien to the nut job headbangers. They have gone quiet because they know that every utterance they make, digs them into a deeper hole and fosters more contempt of their ignorant ideology.

I am all for all the problems brought about by the Burkha. First of all I am American, but I live in Thailand, which has become a popular vacation destination for the soulless Muslim man. You often see them out drinking and cavorting with whores, their loyal Ninjas close in tow. I am happy to see this. I wish every enemy of my culture would wear a uniform to make them easy to single out. I think the sensory and health problems are a combination of poetic justice and Darwinism. Allah has ordered this in order to make them less healthy and less able to perpetuate this farse they keep calling a religion.

I can only say that I agree with Phyllis Chesler. I cannot see the Niqab as a religious symbol. It is simply an in your face by Islamic supremacists. No person should be allowed to wear anything which covers the face in a public area unless it is being worn for safety or some other rational reason. I can see where Sarkozy came from and I do not often agree with a Frenchman.

The burka must be totally banned in all civilized countries forthwith.
It’s no different from the swastika or the hammer, sickle and star. Failure to implement such a ban would be to dishonor every woman who has stood up for sexual equality for the last 150 years.
If islamic women are offended by such a policy, they’re free to return to their countries of origin, where submission to their male masters is honored and celebrated.