mercalia wrote:.............. I think they are just pointing out re the backstop that it was always a bad stupid deal that May was creating and there fore wasted the last 2-3 years building a mansion on sand. Stupid, incompetent, negligent woman - that she is still there pedaling her wares is the shame of this country. By the time anything happens it will be going on 4 years and the referendum ceases to be valid the electorate having changed purely in terms of bodies. The sad thing is that I hope that the EU will only allow more time if there is another referendum; sad to have to rely on the EU to save our bacon.

I agree with all that.

mercalia wrote: .......1) never activate Article 50 right away 2) setup a cross party commitee to look into the consequences and problems once all the dust has settled 3) since the referendum was only advisory report back to the country that Brexit is a bad idea impossible to implelement without damaging sovereignty of the various parts of the country or keeping faith with the GFA so not binding 4) this would all take time and hopefully the electorate would have changed its mind sufficiently if necessary just due to brext-eers dieing and being replaced by younger pro EU voters. Result the tory party internal conflict has been assuaged and the country can forget about it and carry on as before.

But Mrs May is power mad wants to leave her mark on history what ever the conserquences

yes but I dont agree with the assessment of the ERG & DUP holding the country to ransom. Rather I think they are just pointing out re the backstop that it was always a bad stupid deal that May was creating and there fore wasted the last 2-3 years building a mansion on sand. Stupid, incompetent, negligent woman - that she is still there pedaling her wares is the shame of this country. By the time anything happens it will be going on 4 years and the referendum ceases to be valid the electorate having changed purely in terms of bodies. The sad thing is that I hope that the EU will only allow more time if there is another referendum; sad to have to rely on the EU to save our bacon.

Her whole strategy is to try and appease the extreme right in her own party and the extreme right DUP that prop up her failing and incompetent minority government,because she fears them.She's hopelessly carrying on a in dead end job that no one wanted and that she was manoeuvred into by the people she's now trying to appease.She not up to it as PM as much as she was a failure as Home Sec.Meanwhile the world stands by and laughs out loud at the incompetence of her and her government as the ordinary UK wo/man on the street seethes and feels evermore distanced from the politrickal elite who have no concept of the anger toward them.It wouldn't surprise me in the least that the next GE or referendum sees the lowest turnout of the electorate,which is probably what Westminster wants after allIt's an utter disgrace.

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PDQ Mobile wrote:The man is a living lampoon, a ridiculous cartoon, but if I ever find myself marooned with him on an island with no food I will remember your words of warning.

I think you would be well advised.To see him as a cartoon is to underestimate.

If one takes all the things that we know about Mogg it adds up to a man filled with self interest, not a man on a crusade for a better Britain.He is a product of an elitist and antisocial system and of his strange elitist father. Trained in the art of debate by years in the self same system. Beware of his voice!

It is my view that he sees the EU as having regulated in ways hindering him in fulfilling his personal aims to accrue vast wealth, and by association, power.His opposition to some "green" rules, put in place by the EU in an attempt to improve both soil quality and species diversity, are a clear indicator of that IMV.I am not a financial expert but it would not be a stretch to imagine that some areas of EU financial regulation he finds irksome and they get in his way. His business is Venture Capitalism, which is quite rightly regulated to some extent at least. The consequences of not doing so, I surely do not need to spell out.

So broadly the man would like to see a bonfire of regulation in those two areas for starters. Extending that bonfire into workers rights and conditions would likely follow IMV.

Now those self same regulations were agreed in Brussels by ALL the member states. The agricultural regs I find sensible, a small compromise between "cheap food" and yet a beneficial eye on other portions of the ecosphere.Changing them requires international discussion and agreement across many areas of knowledge and experience.Not a one man crusade just because Mogg doesn't like something in his way to larger profit on his acres and profits.

If you lay onto those areas the proven extreme religious and moral hypocrisy of the man then you are, IMV, left with no other conclusion that his interest is not for the good of the UK, but quite simply for himself.

He is not alone in that of course, (Google Foxy!).But his old fashioned and "moralistic" view of society make me even more determined to oppose him. I have no wish to return to the last century.

To throw away the membership of a diverse, tolerant, culturally rich and agriculturally fertile block, for a man of his narrow and self interested views, seems beyond any sensible analysis. IMV.

Well,truthfully and concisely put,the problem being that many are fooled by his well suited Savelle row exterior covering a black heart of granite and his palms facing inward poised to gather as much wealth as possible,"you'll know them by their fruits" and "it's harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven than it is for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle" to offer his own book's words in light of his proclaimed beliefs.IMO he's a creepy subhuman of the lowest order.