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Scallywaggums wrote:I know what "gay" means, I didn't know where "jipped" came from.

You sound like the type of person who has never read Aristotle, Epictetus, or any other old-school ethical philosopher, and therefore has not come to place value on the role of intention, but rather judges things solely on outcome. Many arrive at this value on their own, without the need to read philosophers, but you have not, and thus sound like the kind of person with the moral framework of a 6 year old.

Just thought you should know.

PS, you're dragging me into the disruption of an incredible thread. PM me in the future when taking jabs.

^ While funny, the intent in context is obviously more than a jest. If I didn't have some bizarre attachment to this anonymous personality, I would ignore it because it is totally irrelevant. But, since I am attached, and I suspect that many are thinking "LOLZ, Scally just got pwnd" I will dignify it with a response.

Here was the original attack: You sound like the type of person that calls something "gay" and then justifies it by explaining, "Oh no, I didn't mean homosexual, I just meant lame!"

My response was not "what I said wasn't racist", because it was racist; my response was "no, I'm not the type of person that calls something 'gay' and then justifies it..." My reasoning was that I did not know "jipped" was a branch-off from "gypped", which is a racially charged word for cheated, suggesting gypsies engaged in such acts.

My use of "intention" was meant to explain why, had I known what it meant, I would not have used the word. Yes, what I said was racist, but I am not "the type of person that... etc." because those types of people use "gay" as "lame" with the knowledge that gay also means homosexual. Your cartoon is using "intent" in a way that I was not, which is why it's irrelevant and does not serve to discredit my reasoning. The difference between intending to use "gay" as "lame" and my use of "jipped" as "cheated" is that I was 100% innocent, while the former chooses to use a word that offends because s/he does not care enough about those who might be offended.I can't believe I just spent time explaining that distinction.

FWIW, I always call people out when they call something "gay". Always.

Note to self: a couple missteps on TLS will result in hordes of pointless mudslinging.Ditching this in favor of a new account would be too easy... wouldn't want to deprive you all of a juicy target now that TTT-grad is gone.

Scallywaggums wrote:^ While funny, the intent in context is obviously more than a jest. If I didn't have some bizarre attachment to this anonymous personality, I would ignore it because it is totally irrelevant. But, since I am attached, and I suspect that many are thinking "LOLZ, Scally just got pwnd" I will dignify it with a response.

Here was the original attack: You sound like the type of person that calls something "gay" and then justifies it by explaining, "Oh no, I didn't mean homosexual, I just meant lame!"

My response was not "what I said wasn't racist", because it was racist; my response was "no, I'm not the type of person that calls something 'gay' and then justifies it..." My reasoning was that I did not know "jipped" was a branch-off from "gypped", which is a racially charged word for cheated, suggesting gypsies engaged in such acts.

My use of "intention" was meant to explain why, had I known what it meant, I would not have used the word. Yes, what I said was racist, but I am not "the type of person that... etc." because those types of people use "gay" as "lame" with the knowledge that gay also means homosexual. Your cartoon is using "intent" in a way that I was not, which is why it's irrelevant and does not serve to discredit my reasoning. The difference between intending to use "gay" as "lame" and my use of "jipped" as "cheated" is that I was 100% innocent, while the former chooses to use a word that offends because s/he does not care enough about those who might be offended.I can't believe I just spent time explaining that distinction.

FWIW, I always call people out when they call something "gay". Always.

Note to self: a couple missteps on TLS will result in hordes of pointless mudslinging.Ditching this in favor of a new account would be too easy... wouldn't want to deprive you all of a juicy target now that TTT-grad is gone.

You're not one to let things roll off your back, are you?

Seriously... relax. You make things so much worse for yourself when you make these long-winded, rambling defenses. I dunno if you care much about your TLS reputation, but it isn't real good right now. You seem nice enough, but you are really hurting your own cause. Sometimes just say, "Okay... my bad" or "Okay, thanks for the heads up." Go with the flow, dude.

Scallywaggums wrote:^ While funny, the intent in context is obviously more than a jest. If I didn't have some bizarre attachment to this anonymous personality, I would ignore it because it is totally irrelevant. But, since I am attached, and I suspect that many are thinking "LOLZ, Scally just got pwnd" I will dignify it with a response.

Here was the original attack: You sound like the type of person that calls something "gay" and then justifies it by explaining, "Oh no, I didn't mean homosexual, I just meant lame!"

My response was not "what I said wasn't racist", because it was racist; my response was "no, I'm not the type of person that calls something 'gay' and then justifies it..." My reasoning was that I did not know "jipped" was a branch-off from "gypped", which is a racially charged word for cheated, suggesting gypsies engaged in such acts.

My use of "intention" was meant to explain why, had I known what it meant, I would not have used the word. Yes, what I said was racist, but I am not "the type of person that... etc." because those types of people use "gay" as "lame" with the knowledge that gay also means homosexual. Your cartoon is using "intent" in a way that I was not, which is why it's irrelevant and does not serve to discredit my reasoning. The difference between intending to use "gay" as "lame" and my use of "jipped" as "cheated" is that I was 100% innocent, while the former chooses to use a word that offends because s/he does not care enough about those who might be offended.I can't believe I just spent time explaining that distinction.

FWIW, I always call people out when they call something "gay". Always.

Note to self: a couple missteps on TLS will result in hordes of pointless mudslinging.Ditching this in favor of a new account would be too easy... wouldn't want to deprive you all of a juicy target now that TTT-grad is gone.

romothesavior wrote:Strato, where the hell have you been? I haven't seen you around these parts in a while.

Haven't been around these parts in a while, for the most part Finishing up undergrad and apartment hunting have had me pretty busy... between that and the interminable waiting for school to start, I've been lurking far more than posting. The mix of anticipation/terror over job prospects/worries over waitlists blowing things to hell and gone has made for a very, very interesting summer thus far.

Also, don't despair, scally. Just get familiar with the board's general social norms and no one will remember any of this before long

romothesavior wrote:You're not one to let things roll off your back, are you?

If it's a friendly jab, yes, but folks in TLS are out to get me to a hilarious degree right now, so I'm assuming the cartoon wasn't friendly.

romothesavior wrote:Seriously... relax. You make things so much worse for yourself when you make these long-winded, rambling defenses.

You'd be surprised at how relaxed I am. The response was long-winded, but it was not rambling, unless explaining a distinction that should be obvious in great detail is rambling... but without explaining it, folks may have read it and thought it was a great rebuttal, which it wasn't. If that makes things worse for me, so be it.

romothesavior wrote:I dunno if you care much about your TLS reputation, but it isn't real good right now. You seem nice enough, but you are really hurting your own cause.

I do care about my TLS reputation, and I'm quite aware that it's not good at all right now. I am only hurting my own cause if my cause is to be well-liked by the majority, but that is not the cause. I care only about those who actually read all the text and think for themselves, putting aside reputation of posters in favor of arguments on their own terms. It's quite obvious that many TLSers are circling, just waiting for any opportunity to strike. If I let that "roll off my back" I might eventually be perceived as jovial, and the sport of attacking me will lose appeal. But I'm not interested in allowing blows to land on my head for the sake of popularity. Come on, we both know that's already out the window.

romothesavior wrote:Sometimes just say, "Okay... my bad" or "Okay, thanks for the heads up." Go with the flow, dude.

I do say "Okay, thanks for the heads up" when anyone offers information that corrects/alters/broadens my knowledge (now I sound like a broken record), but I don't say "thanks for the heads up" when someone claims that I sound like the sort of person who engages in an activity that I find reprehensible. That's not a flow I'm interested in going with.

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A'nold wrote:Um, I just skimmed so I might be off here, but did somebody really get called out for saying gypped or "jipped?" If so.......srsly?

Also, talk about overly PC you guys. You honestly get offended when someone calls something gay? Wow. What are we, 12?

On the contrary. We're adults and prospective professionals. Am I personally offended when someone calls something gay? No, it's not one of the words that triggers an emotional response in me. However, when someone says it I'll certainly point out to him that it's inappropriate. Some people, like Scally in this case, don't even realize they're doing something wrong. Heck, I didn't find out until this year that exotic is not a compliment.

Agreed. This was a good thread (if I do say so myself) and we had some great discussion going. Scally de-railed yet another thread.

Once again, I did not derail it. I will not twiddle my thumbs when being compared to someone who says "gay". Not sure why I'm to blame, when I wasn't the instigator.

I just read through this thread and while Scally's posts are sometimes a bit naive or off-base, FlightofEarls totally derailed this thread with an overly PC rendition of what is apparently a racist term. Scally obviously went a bit overboard with the defense, but with all the bashing of Scally on TLS in general, I can see where s/he is coming from.

Many of you come off as the 'lemmings' that JDU people comment on by bashing on Scally just because it gives you some TLS cred.

Perhaps I'm also out-of-the-loop, but I didn't perceive Scally's "jipped" comment as offensive. Nor would I find "exotic" offensive in conversation. I am, however, pretty oblivious to matters of political correctness. As a sidenote: I do think Scally has been picked on somewhat unfairly of late but his long-winded and incoherent ramblings simply make matters worse. Scally, the best advice I can give you is, again, to sit back and listen; it took many of us, myself included, a long time to wrap our minds around ITE legal employment and I'm still constantly learning things (see my questions above). You've also lost any goodwill you may have had -- fairly or not -- so it's best to just be quiet in the LE forum.

All of that said, the word "gay" as used synonymously with "sucks" or "stupid" is completely inappropriate.

Would you find it offensive if some said "jewed" (or "jooed" if they didn't know the correct spelling)?

Yah, of course, but I don't think it's fair to equate the two. "jipped", for better or for worse, has entered the mainstream parlance and is used innocuously -- at least by unassuming laypersons -- as synonymous with cheated. I would imagine it is used by most people (like Scally) in ignorace of its origin.

It'd be hard for even the dumbest layperson to diassociate the word "jewed" from its derivation.