It takes a real moran to think the KKK and the Black Panthers are on the same level. Who exactly have the Black Panthers lynched? What group of white people have the Black Panthers terrorized and disenfranchised? Some people need to get their heads out of their ass.

ZeroPly:spman: It seems to me like if you really wanted people to listen to your views on racial, ethnic, or religious superiority, and take them seriously, you should probably avoid using the Confederate Flag, the letters KKK, or the swastika altogether. These things all have a pretty negative conotation amongst the public, perhaps it's time to adopt a new symbol for your hate group? Maybe one that doesn't remind people of slavery, lynchings, or Adolf Hitler?

If they did all that, they'd just become the local Republican group...

TheJoe03:It takes a real moran to think the KKK and the Black Panthers are on the same level. Who exactly have the Black Panthers lynched? What group of white people have the Black Panthers terrorized and disenfranchised? Some people need to get their heads out of their ass.

It's an excuse and a deflection and really had nothing to do with the article or thread.

Remember all the squeaking about those two BPs "intimidating" voters at that one polling station? That somehow excuses codifying voter suppression into law and invalidates the overwhelming support of BOB at the polls.

spman:ZeroPly: spman: It seems to me like if you really wanted people to listen to your views on racial, ethnic, or religious superiority, and take them seriously, you should probably avoid using the Confederate Flag, the letters KKK, or the swastika altogether. These things all have a pretty negative conotation amongst the public, perhaps it's time to adopt a new symbol for your hate group? Maybe one that doesn't remind people of slavery, lynchings, or Adolf Hitler?

If they did all that, they'd just become the local Republican group...

Duke was recent memory. There are indeed very nasty and racist dems as there are indeed decent repubs. There was no excuse for letting that arsehole anywhere near anything and that needs to be owned up to if higher ground is to be taken. Party affiliation means nothing if the person is a twat.

ciberido: A racist who said "I'm racist and proud" would be a refreshing change, but not likely to happen.

Completely agree with you. I'd actually respect them for their honesty, even though I disagree with their worldview.

I've given this issue a lot of thought...why obvious bigots are so vehemently opposed to being labeled as racists. And I think what it boils down to is a matter of credibility. If a person admits to being racist, they know that people will easily dismiss their viewpoints because of it ("Why take that guy seriously? He's an admitted racist!"). Yet if they make the exact same arguments a racist would make, but do it under the guise of "just stating the obvious" or "not being politically correct" or citing crime and poverty statistics, etc...they are able to maintain their credibility (at least in their minds) and not have their viewpoints dismissed out of hand.

TheJoe03:It takes a real moran to think the KKK and the Black Panthers are on the same level. Who exactly have the Black Panthers lynched? What group of white people have the Black Panthers terrorized and disenfranchised? Some people need to get their heads out of their ass.

If that is a thinly veiled jab at my post have the balls to say it and be man enough to direct it properly.FTR, I do not place them on the same level. I just don't like groups of people whose tend to cause a divide rather than solve problems and unite.If you think one of these groups have helped to unite please give a citation, otherwise drop it.

here to help:TheJoe03: It takes a real moran to think the KKK and the Black Panthers are on the same level. Who exactly have the Black Panthers lynched? What group of white people have the Black Panthers terrorized and disenfranchised? Some people need to get their heads out of their ass.

It's an excuse and a deflection and really had nothing to do with the article or thread.

Remember all the squeaking about those two BPs "intimidating" voters at that one polling station? That somehow excuses codifying voter suppression into law and invalidates the overwhelming support of BOB at the polls.

PaulRB:Bucky Katt: The KKK appeals only to neatherthals. Any racist with a hint of intelligence prefers to be more mainstream. Like working for the Heritage Foundation or as a staffer for a southern senator.

Or working for Rand Paul.

The Paul's are defenders of the Constitution.You're just a tool of your political party. I'd love to be there when you finally wake up.

gja:I didn't know of his predilection for the inane, ignore list duly updated.

Meh. He's not as bad as some but he does seem to like to stir the pot. I've never put anyone on ignore. Might be why I get so riled up sometimes but I'd rather see the dolts than not know WTF is going on.

I however seem to have been put on many an ignore list because I engage them on occasion... which is what happened here.

There has to be a way to get the KKK idiots and a bunch of Black Panther idiots into a shootout, on video to entertain the rest of us.

TheJoe03:It takes a real moran to think the KKK and the Black Panthers are on the same level. Who exactly have the Black Panthers lynched? What group of white people have the Black Panthers terrorized and disenfranchised? Some people need to get their heads out of their ass.

They did make a public offer of a $10,000 bounty on George Zimmerman. I'm no fan of his, but that's clearly over the line.

The guy who runs the New Black Panther Party in Houston calls himself Quanell X.

Here are a couple of quotes :

"I say to Jewish America: Get ready ... knuckle up, put your boots on, because we're ready and the war is going down. ... The real deal is this: Black youth do not want a relationship with the Jewish community or the mainstream white community or the foot shuffling, head-bowing, knee bobbing black community. ... All you Jews can go straight to hell."

and

"If you feel that you just got to mug somebody because of your hurt and your pain, go to River Oaks and mug you some good white folks. If you're angry that our brother is put to death, don't burn down your own community, give these white folks hell from the womb to the tomb."

Are the panthers as bad as the KKK? Probably not. But that doesn't make them decent human beings.

I'm saying that skinhead culture is largely (or was) based on Jamaican culture and it's hilarious a pro-white racist faction became the driving force.

Not the skinhead part of it. Purely working class white people, particularly ones prone to injury, and it was of a functional nature. The mods were the original ones all into the rudeboy clothes and ska. But really, it was being pushed on everyone. It was the Gangnam Style of 1970s England, but slightly more tolerable. The skinheads took it to a faster, angrier place than the mods were is all, and the advertisers had taken something with a truly dark nature--rudeboy chic--and sanitized it for the aristocrats. Meanwhile, in Jamaica, people were getting cut the f*ck up by kids dressed like that, so none of this is really ironic at all--except maybe the black part--which was gone before it started as far as skinheads were concerned. It was just their way of coopting the diaspora, as a defense mechanism, most likely.

JuggleGeek:There has to be a way to get the KKK idiots and a bunch of Black Panther idiots into a shootout, on video to entertain the rest of us.

TheJoe03: It takes a real moran to think the KKK and the Black Panthers are on the same level. Who exactly have the Black Panthers lynched? What group of white people have the Black Panthers terrorized and disenfranchised? Some people need to get their heads out of their ass.

They did make a public offer of a $10,000 bounty on George Zimmerman. I'm no fan of his, but that's clearly over the line.

The guy who runs the New Black Panther Party in Houston calls himself Quanell X.

Here are a couple of quotes :

"I say to Jewish America: Get ready ... knuckle up, put your boots on, because we're ready and the war is going down. ... The real deal is this: Black youth do not want a relationship with the Jewish community or the mainstream white community or the foot shuffling, head-bowing, knee bobbing black community. ... All you Jews can go straight to hell."

and

"If you feel that you just got to mug somebody because of your hurt and your pain, go to River Oaks and mug you some good white folks. If you're angry that our brother is put to death, don't burn down your own community, give these white folks hell from the womb to the tomb."

Are the panthers as bad as the KKK? Probably not. But that doesn't make them decent human beings.

The article you linked to is titled "There is no new black panther party", yet there clearly is. The old black panthers may not like the new ones, but that doesn't keep them from existing, nor does it keep them from being sleazeballs, just as I pointed out in my previous post.

Probably not? More like not even close. Hell, the stuff you quoted was stuff that guy said when he was in the NOI in the 90s and he got kicked out for that. According to his wiki he apologized for it in 2008. BTW, talk is cheap and the actions of the Klan compared to the Black Panthers makes it clear that anyone that brings up the Black Panthers to put up against the KKK is full of shiat.

I'm saying that skinhead culture is largely (or was) based on Jamaican culture and it's hilarious a pro-white racist faction became the driving force.

Not the skinhead part of it. Purely working class white people, particularly ones prone to injury, and it was of a functional nature. The mods were the original ones all into the rudeboy clothes and ska. But really, it was being pushed on everyone. It was the Gangnam Style of 1970s England, but slightly more tolerable. The skinheads took it to a faster, angrier place than the mods were is all, and the advertisers had taken something with a truly dark nature--rudeboy chic--and sanitized it for the aristocrats. Meanwhile, in Jamaica, people were getting cut the f*ck up by kids dressed like that, so none of this is really ironic at all--except maybe the black part--which was gone before it started as far as skinheads were concerned. It was just their way of coopting the diaspora, as a defense mechanism, most likely.

Well you obviously know more about the subject, I actually learned something new today.

randomjsa:TuteTibiImperes: From what I understand the Klan has pretty much decentralized and is now made up of mostly independent factions. Apparently they don't do a whole lot more than recruit these days and only manage a meager turn out for parades and protests.

That was always ultimately what did them in. Each little group of local idiots was never really that well connected to the other local groups of idiots. They only ever had a semblance of national organization.

You have to understand, people that hateful are never going to get along in significantly large groups as each one thinks they know better.

Not unlike religions. It's why the christian cult fractured into hundreds of denominations after Martin Luther nailed his screed to the door.

I'm saying that skinhead culture is largely (or was) based on Jamaican culture and it's hilarious a pro-white racist faction became the driving force.

Not the skinhead part of it. Purely working class white people, particularly ones prone to injury, and it was of a functional nature. The mods were the original ones all into the rudeboy clothes and ska. But really, it was being pushed on everyone. It was the Gangnam Style of 1970s England, but slightly more tolerable. The skinheads took it to a faster, angrier place than the mods were is all, and the advertisers had taken something with a truly dark nature--rudeboy chic--and sanitized it for the aristocrats. Meanwhile, in Jamaica, people were getting cut the f*ck up by kids dressed like that, so none of this is really ironic at all--except maybe the black part--which was gone before it started as far as skinheads were concerned. It was just their way of coopting the diaspora, as a defense mechanism, most likely.

Well you obviously know more about the subject, I actually learned something new today.

I think I learned what I know about this in the same way. Sometimes Fark is actually useful.

I don't understand why people assume that because people are in the Klan they're just "neanderthals". Really? Because the last I checked we still have at least one US Senator and several US Governor's and countless other state officials who have Klan ties through family and friends.

Hermione_Granger:I don't understand why people assume that because people are in the Klan they're just "neanderthals". Really? Because the last I checked we still have at least one US Senator and several US Governor's and countless other state officials who have Klan ties through family and friends.