Here we go again with the ignorance, why are you not discussing the witnesses? why are you picking on silly things like the time being wrong? you
can't seriously hope to counter the claims of these professionals because of that?

This is why there are so many problems, people scream for evidence, they get some backed up by some of the top people in their field, and you start
picking on silly little details which are obviously irrelevant compared to the footage.

There are acceptable reasons for the time stamp being as it is, this just seems like a bad attempt at debunking.

I think people are just running out of excuses to shout hoax all the time, face it this one has almost everyone stumped, making daft claims will just
leave you behind as everyone else tries to move forward.

Stop claiming that it is everyone else is at fault and accept the evidence for once, you have your evidence deal with it.

I'm sure all your questions will be more than adequately answered in due course.

Understand what you're saying, and I agree to an extent that merely finding problems with a video doesn't in itself debunk it. As I said in
another thread, I believe that the true skeptic is our friend in our quest for UFO evidence. I personally believe in the existance of "others" and
their craft. I carry my camera EVERYWHERE, just in case I can be one of the lucky few to get footage.

That said, I cannot figure out how any camcorder or camera I've ever owned could "accidentally" get these datestamp anomalies. Not only do they
span a two month period, but they are also out of temporal order:

Curious, to say the least, as is the lack of any frame of reference. I think the videographers would've had a better response if they'd have left
out the "visible alien" speculation, however I can't confirm that the videographers were the ones that put this label on it.

Hi all. Sorry I was away for a long time. If you have something that you want to be translated, send me link. It seems this video is popular again. I
read that on 25th October this video will be discussed intensively in West York Conference. For me it is more like a spoon than an aircraft.

UTTER RUBBISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!PLEASE!!!!!!!! missed oppotunities i.e. the p.c. alan godfrey case/todmorden over 20 years ago, should have been
more thoroughly investigated and results posted properly-still unawnswerwd questions: i.e. why woz p.c. godfreys shoe split-he should have been asked
this when he woz put under hypnosis: AND some result must have come back about the "unknown substance" found on the dead man 'zigmund adamski's'
neck and head area. PLEASE any of you out there who are intelligent/able enuf get in touch with the real researchers/investigators and get answers to
thise sort of things!!!!!! the turkey ufo......UTTER RUBBISH!!!!!!!!!!!!! even REAL incidents i.e. p.c. ALAN GODFREY CASE are not analysed
properly and reported. soCOME ON GUYS AND GALS-WAKE UP!!!!!!! WE ARE KEPT IN THE DARK AND KEPT STUPID!!!!!!!!! REGULAR PLANET OF THE APES !!!!!
AREN'T WE!!!!!!! YOURS SINCERELY...FED UP AND FRUSTRATED.... ROLL ON 21/12/2112-HOPE CHANGE COMES AND SOON!!!!!!!!!!

The Istanbul sighting is an important one for many reasons. There are over 12 witnesses, including Dr. Roger Leir who have been able to substaniate
the video. A serious attempt to debunke the video has been done bye several well known photographic experts. So far nobody has been able to
demonstrate that the recordings are product of tricks or some type of manipulation. I am not endorsing this case, but I simply feel that those who
seek the truth in ufology need to put this in their notes and file this case.

This case developed in the location of Kumburgaz between the years 2007, 2008 and 2009. Its main witness was a night guard named Yalcin Yalman, while
on duty who registered on video these strange objects that appeared at sunrise like floating or changing while in flight over the sea coast of
Marmara.

Many special effects/imaging experts tried to debunk the footage including: Prof. José Atenas, an expert in graphics and video, with more than 30
years of experience on television. Prof. phD. Zeki EKER Director National Council For The Study Of Science And Technology (TUBITAK) and National
Observatory , and Mario Valdes- Santiago Chile. Other analysis were done by video specialists, image edition and special effect companies from Japan,
Russia and Turkey, all ending up with the same conclusions that what is being filmed is reality and the video had not been tampered with.

Case Overview:
This case developed in the location of Kumburgaz, Istanbul between the years 2007, 2008 and 2009. The video was taken by a night guard named Yalcin
Yalman. One singularity of this case was that the images were made with a camera that had an adaptor for close ups of 200X optical, achieving a great
amount of detail of the objects. During this period several minutes of close range video were taken of metallic ufos floating or changing while in
flight over the sea coast of Marmara. The curious thing is how they changed appearance into an outline of orange globes. As you overlay both the shape
seems to match each other.

This case made big news in Turkey and in other countries as well. It also started a great debate between the official members of the Turkish
scientific community. Other analysis were done by video specialists and special effect companies from Japan, Russia and Turkey, all ending up with the
same conclusions that it remains unexplained. In Chile, professor José Atenas, an expert in graphics and video with more than 30 years of experience
on television, was asked to technically examine the videos. In his appreciation, José Atenas also came to the same conclusions that the images are
authentic. So far nobody has been able to demonstrate that the recordings are product of tricks or some type of manipulation. Therefore, the debate
has concentrated more over the nature and origin of the objects filmed by Yalcin Yalman.

During 2007 the first video was taken on a beach on the coast of Istanbul. The lack of background and horizon made it difficult to verify one way or
the other. What the witnesses needed to do was capture the horizonal reference point so the video can analyzed with greater detail on the exact
location of the object.

In 2008, in what seems to be a regular occurance in Turkey alot of ufos were reported to Haktan Akdagan the chairman of Sirius UFO Research, Turkey's
version of MUFON. Yalcin, who was still armed with his 200x optical lense camera kept a watch at a facility known as the "Yeni Kent Compound"
located near the Sea of Marmara. The 2008 video includes video from the day and at night, however most of the footage was taken at night. Nobody has
done an accurate measurement of the distance, however my rough guess is several hundred feet away. 2008 Original Video

During 2009 between May and June, several glowing objects and a metallic ufos were seen again by over a dozen witnesses hovering over the Sea of
Marmara. Several credible people, such as Roger Leir, were at a ufo conference in Turkey at the time and happened to attend Yalcin to one of his video
taping sessions. According to those witnesses who have come forward with their story they saw a ufo in the air that Yalcin was filming. They did not
see any evidence of a staged prop, model, or a hoax. A 33 minute segment of the video starting at (night) 4:59 a.m., until after (sunrise) at 5:32
a.m., it becomes clear that we are looking at an object several hundred yards away in the horizon over the sea. This is important because some people,
including myself, thought at first it could be a model or prop very close to the camera, but the object is a real authentic metallic ufo several feet
away over the seat
Roger Leir is not a hoaxer.
On Coast to Coast Roger Leir said:

"it was two years in a row. I was there both times looking through the viewfinder of the camera. Now the camera was mounted on sticks and it had a
200 mil lense and an electronic dobuler so we were able to push very very close on the craft. Now just as a background the craft was lit by a moon
that was very very bright in the sky and so that illuminated the exterior portion of the craft" "it was sent in an proven that it was not a hoax and
what was being seen was reality"

At first, the videos were analyzed and made public by the SIRIUS UFO organization, directed by the researcher Haktan Akdogan. Sirius UFO Space Science
Research Center firstly, spoke with all the witnesses separately then did the detailed analysis of the full footage of 2 hours 30 mn. long videos with
the participation of the members of a science board. They enlarged the video images, did all the detailed analysis, checked their pixels, and went
through the all footage frame by frame. After doing all the necessary analysis which went on for several weeks. SIRIUS released the following
statement:

Haktan Aktagan, SIRIUS Space Research:
--"the objects sighted in the aforementioned footages that have a structure that is made of specific material are definitely not made up by any kind
of computer animation nor are they any form of special effects used for simulation in a studio or for a video effect therefore in conclusion it was
decided that the sightings were neither a mockup or hoax. And it is concluded that these objects in the sightings that have physical and material
structures do not belong in any category such as; planes, helicopters, meteors, Venus, Mars, satellites, fire balls, Chinese lantern, fire balls,
wheather ballons, natural or atmospheric phenomenon. etc. and but rather fall into the category of UFO’s. The incident went on several times
intermittently before the very eyes of the residents of "Yeni Kent Compound", filmed by a night guard named Yalcin Yalman. The detailed analysis of
a certain portion of these extraordinary videos showed that three different objects were captured at the same time."

The government sponsored National Council For The Study Of Science And Technology (TUBITAK) and National Observatory (TUG) got interested in analyzing
the original footage, with the intention of determining that the video was nothing more than a hoax, gambling on the idea of scale models or toys, or
CGI. The original tape was handed to the TUBITAK representatives on live TV in their own headquarters. Once the analysis concluded, they gave an
official report, from which I took the following fragment:
"The objects observed on the images have a structure made of a specific material and definitely itís no any kind of CGI animation or in any means a
type of special effects used for simulation in a studio or for video effects. So the conclusion of this report is that the observations are not a
model, maquette or a fraud". At the last part of the report, it’s concluded that the objects observed have a physical structure and are made of
materials that do not belong to any category (airplanes, helicopters, meteors, Venus, Mars, Satellites, artificial lights, Chinese lanterns, etc.) and
that it mostly fits in the category of UFO’s (Unidentified Flying Objects and of unknown origin).
The Scientific and Technological Council of Turkey www.tubitak.gov.tr...;jsessionid=B7809E5C0656F9DA6ED197EF343F23BB
Report by Prof. phD Zeki EKER turkeyufocase.blogspot.com...

OK I have been reading this thread... and I have watched the footage that is on youtube .. I looked at the time stamps on the footage .. There is no
darkness at 1:45 PM because there is no time stamp of 1:45 PM. All time stamps are in AM for the times between 1:00 AM and 3:00 AM on all the footage.
Unless they have decided to edit the footage and take out the areas mentioned .. the time stamps and day/night hours are all correct. Nothing to be
ashamed of.

I see that some of the posts here are showing timestamps I have not seen in any of the videos. Am I missing some ?? he he prolly. Anyway I was just
thinking that the shape of that ufo looks a lot like the shape of the recent "discovery" in the Baltic ocean by OceanX.

edit on 29-6-2012 by
blackwolf001 because: additional information which I read and wanted to comment on.

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