:::The most recent CT post is marked as Not Done, so that it remains even when archiving - i.e. there is always at least one CT post on the CP, even after an archive.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:19, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

:::The most recent CT post is marked as Not Done, so that it remains even when archiving - i.e. there is always at least one CT post on the CP, even after an archive.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:19, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

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:I don't think so, bugs should be reported to the Scratch Team so they may be fixed at any time. It would be better to create a forum post about that. If it is an older or famous glitch, feel free to create an article on it! <scratchsig>Jedibrine</scratchsig> 04:26, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

:I don't think so, bugs should be reported to the Scratch Team so they may be fixed at any time. It would be better to create a forum post about that. If it is an older or famous glitch, feel free to create an article on it! <scratchsig>Jedibrine</scratchsig> 04:26, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

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::There is already a list of sorts of both past and present glitches at [[Scratch Bugs]]. It doesn't seem to be particularly up-to-date, but you can add any common bugs and their workarounds there if you want. <scratchsig>Hamish752</scratchsig> 09:25, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

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I looked up "terms of use" (without capitalization) and it brought me to [[Special:Search/terms of use|this page]]. As you can see, the first link is a redirect page to [[Terms of Use]]. The second is the actual Terms of Use page. Why doesn't "terms of use" redirect to "Terms of Use" or at least have the actual article appear before the redirect? Is this supposed to be like this, or should all pages not capitalized correctly just lead to the search page?{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 22:14, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

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:That's a really good question! I have no idea, and I think that an admin has the power to redirect pages. :) <scratchsig>Jedibrine</scratchsig> 01:55, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

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::@EIephan Lover - Normally people would search with proper capitilization. If they don't, they can click on the similar title link. However, if you feel people would search for 'terms of use' more often than with capitilization, you can create a redirect page.

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::@jedibrine - Any logged in user has the privilege to redirect pages. Your just have to type in <code><nowiki>#REDIRECT [[LINK]]</nowiki></code> on the very first line. Nothing should come before it. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 13:19, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

::::Okay. I figured most people (like me) wouldn't worry about capitalization when searching. It makes sense for links, but the average Joe I would assume doesn't think "Oh oops let me make sure that this search has proper grammar, and that I didn't forget any capitalization!" Personally, I think we should make it so that capitalization doesn't matter when searching, but still does for links.

:::::Capitalization doesn't affect searching. As to why the redirect appeared first, the simple answer is that "'''S'''cratch Terms of Use" is sorted alphabetically before "'''T'''erms of Use". Q R '''S, T''' U V. {{e|;)}}{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:14, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

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::::::Ah, I see. I didn't realize it was alphabetical. And by the capitalization affecting searching, it does, because if you look up "terms of use" it leads to a search page and "Terms of Use" leads directly to the page.{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 17:52, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

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Yes an no, the very first letter of any article doesn't matter. Every other capitilization does matter. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 19:39, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

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:What I meant by capitalization not affecting searching is that if you're brought to the search page, ''then'' the capitalization of the search won't matter. If you search with the correct caps, you're brought directly to the page, but otherwise you'll still find the page. (Basically, the "Terms of Use" page will not be missing from search results just because you searched "terms of use".){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 05:38, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

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::Yeah. I still think that it shouldn't affect it at all, though.{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 15:38, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

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We hit 1234 articles! Whhooo! If redirects are included in the then was the redirect I made of [[Project Tutorials (2.0)]] to [[Tips Window]] was the 1234{{th}} article, if not the 1234{{th}} article was [[Scratch in Practice]] created by [[User:Jedibrine]]! I know this is a bit off-topic, but hey we hit a cool milestone. :)<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 21:51, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

:There are currently {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} actual articles, which doesn't include redirects. (The statistic that includes redirects is {{NUMBEROFPAGES}}.){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:19, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

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:::Actually I believe that number includes userpages, templates, and the like - i.e. all pages in all namespaces. We have less redirects than you think :þ{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 14:22, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

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:HEader numbers? What do you mean? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 01:30, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

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::Numbers that appear to the left of a header, h1=1, h2=1.1, h3=1.1.1, etc. <scratchsig>Jedibrine</scratchsig> 01:35, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

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:::If you mean in the actual headings, you must have the [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering|"Auto-number headings" preference]] turned on (scroll to the bottom of that link). Turn it off again to get rid of the numbers.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 11:25, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

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::::Thanks, I wanted to force no headers for things like welcome templates, but it is off on default so that shouldn't be a problem to other people <scratchsig>Jedibrine</scratchsig> 01:50, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

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Sometimes, I'll start editing, and notice that the little rainbow wheel shows up, and when it does, the code and wiki markup show in different colors. If you hover over it, it says "Disable CodeMirror (Syntax highlight)". If you click it, everything is shown as plain text and the wheel turns black, and it says "Enable" instead of "Disable". I know what it does and what it's for, but sometimes it doesn't even show up. It's weird and inconsistent, since I was testing it out and it isn't showing up now but it is in a different Community Portal discussion.{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 15:43, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

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:Yeah, it happens all the time. I think it had something to do with the URL. I didn't really get it either.

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:I had also posted this thing before too but it moved into the archives. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 22:04, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

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:I looked for it as a duplicate but didn't find anything. I know it happens a lot, but I want to know ''why''.{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 21:47, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

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::I don't know for sure either - I speculated before, I believe, that it had something to do with how CodeMirror decides when to show itself, and that the method it used involved the URL address. A quick Google search doesn't turn up anything useful... I suppose we'll just have to treat it as a known bug for now.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 13:03, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

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:::Yeah, I guess. It's annoying because the siggy bot gets confused if it doesn't show, and it asks me to confirm even if I've already put a signature. Then I have to type "CONFIRM" twice.{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 22:06, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

:If it allowed using the 2.0 editor, it doesn't anymore - viewing uploads.scratch.mit.edu/projects/* redirects to the main site. But I don't think it's significant enough to merit an article of its own, as there really isn't enough info on it.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 13:06, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

:::Still not worth an article, but that's cool to point out (you might want to post that on the topic I opened).{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 07:24, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

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:::Shall I Mark This as {{Done}} ??{{User:JJBullet/Siggy2}} 10:04, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

:[[S:WW|Wiki Wednesday]] is a monthly thing, not weekly. The next Wiki Wednesday is March 27th.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:01, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

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I was thinking we should have a version parameter for scratchblocks so that we could see what they looked like in previous versions of Scratch. This would be useful for articles that cover previous versions of Scratch.<br/>

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{{quote|There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)}}

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I think a single article, to which the searches "Intro" and "Outro" direct to, would be good. It would be useful to Scratchers who don't know what they are and might try to search for one or the other but want to know about both.

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘Sure! I'm not sure what to do with new pages... do we just make the new page and just add to it or do we make it in a sandbox and add it all when it's done? The first one, right? EIephant_Lover (talk | contribs) 20:45, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
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English Scratch Club

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The Scratch club is a weekly meeting among a group of Scratchers which are contributing actively to the Scratch Wiki and to Scratch in general. The meetings are used to discuss important issues, most notable was the discussion if the transition of the english Wiki should take place. Currently, the weekly meetings are held in German, but we used to have an international Scratch club following after the German one. An alternative could be to make it alternating every week between German and English. As a start, who of the English and international Wiki administrators would be interested in it and able to join? And what would be better: weekly every Monday at 9:00 PM CET or bi-weekly at 8:00 PM? Once I get a tendency about the if and when, I will bring it up at the next German Scratch club, perhaps already next Monday. Frodewin (talk | contribs) 20:54, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

I would definitely like to join, but neither 8 or 9 PM CET work for me - I'm in Hong Kong, and 8PM CET is 3AM HKT... Best would be on weekends, since everyone's time is likely to be more flexible - on weekdays, we have work and school, but on weekends times that would normally be during work/school are usually ok. Would 2PM CET on Saturdays (or Sundays) be workable?kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 02:32, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Hey, I noticed where I live, that 8/9 PM is 3 PMEST(end of school day!), but 2PM CET is 8AMEST which is not good.NYCDOT (talk | contribs) 11:53, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

I know this has been inactive for a very long time.

Neither 8 or 9 PM CET work for me either, as they are 12 and 1 PM, which is in the middle of the school day, and I am busy on the weekends at that time. How about an "always open" meeting where you can post anytime? CrazyBoy826Talk | Contribs | Scratch account 18:55, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

FYI: Time for Scratch Club have now changed to every Wednesday, 8 PM CET Frodewin (talk | contribs) 11:40, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Not Done

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I know someone already brought it up...
Anyways, Not Done is not getting any attention. I know that Kenny2scratch already added “Things To Do” on the left sidebar, and the TOC of Not Done, yet no one seems to notice it. I think that we should release an announcement to all existing editors about ND, and all incoming users about ND on their welcome page. In fact, I’m going to add that to my welcome right now.
Any thoughts?NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 23:53, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

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Perhaps make all of the Not Done topics have bold titles? That should attract attention to them for those who browse the TOC.kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 03:47, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Maybe what we could do is put the Not Done Topics in Red in the TOC of the CP, the done topics Green in the TOC of the CP, and the in progress discussions the blue color it currently is.NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 12:47, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

I agree with KrIsMa, Kenny2scratch, and NYCDOT on having some way to show which topics are done and which are not done, but how would we make topics show as a different color in the table of contents?bigpuppytalk|contribs 15:31, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

As part of this new revival of featured images (and leading on from #An Interval for Featured Images, I propose that we create a page similar in concept to S:WWS, where users leave new section saying which image they think deserve to be featured. This will clean up the CP (just slightly). At around the same time as Wiki Wednesday, the EWs/Bureaucrats review the suggestions and pick three images which will then to onto S:FI. If necessary, we could also edit the current Wiki Wednesday suggestion forum post to incorporate Featured Images too.

I think the featured images are too minor to have a dedicated projectspace page. I propose instead to have a miscellaneous "homepage tasks" page (or something like that) where you can suggest news items, featured images, and edits to other things that appear on the homepage. Does that sound better?kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 19:51, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

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@Ken won't a homepage tasks page just get cluttered up? If they had to filter through edits and news items to find featured images, wouldn't it be harder for the admins? Also, having a dedicated project space is better because it's a) more obvious to Wiki Editors what the page is for, and seems less boring and gruelling than "homepage tasks", which sounds like just a big long list of stuff to do. And b) it would be easier for editors to suggest, because having a clearer Featured Image Suggestions would be more obvious to others what has already been suggested and what hasn't, et cetera. And c) having a dedicated page would make it so much easier to implement into the current WW forum post.Drunken Sailor [ Talk | Contribs | More... ] 08:49, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Support to Bigpuppy's and Drunken's last two suggestions. :) Also are we going to have somthing smilar to this?Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 23:45, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Perhaps even simply add the featured image suggestions to that forum topic's purpose? That saves effort :)kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 02:32, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Server Capacity

About two weeks ago, I could not access scratch-wiki.info for 24 hours. My internet connection was fine; the website just took too long to respond.

Today, when trying to view /Archive 66, I got a 503 Service Unavailable error. I reloaded the page and it worked. However, page load times are still a bit long. Occasionally, after about 50 page loads, the page load times start to get really long, up to ten seconds.

I think yes :-), but keep watching, if there are such kind of problems more often, I have to talk to our provider. It could help to create a list of such ocurannces to analyse it better. MartinWollenweberTalkContribsDirectory 22:02, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Jvvg made some performance changes - everyone watching this, please keep a sharp eye out for any downtimes! They should be less now that we're not being naive.kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 03:24, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

I was editing User:Kenny2scratch/common.js, and when I clicked "save page" I hit a "400 Bad Request" error. I pressed the browser "back" button (thanks Chrome for caching form data), and clicked "save page" again, and I encountered "503 Service Unavailable". I went back again, resubmitted, and the edit went through.kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 09:05, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Basically the database failed to connect for a while, causing all sorts of obscure errors. Specifically, at times the required "mysql.sock" file was missing. Looking at server configuration, the MySQL server had to restart itself 11 times during this time period.kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 14:26, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

I was tring to go to the Community Portal and the website was taking a while to load and then I got the error. It went away after I refreshed the page. Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 15:20, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

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It's hard to convert times off the top of one's head - if you really want to know the time in your own timezone, convert it yourself, don't ask the logger to do extra work.kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 08:33, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

So for those who don't know what Siggy Warner is, it's basically a JavaScript thing that pops up a confirmation box when you forget to sign, as well as adding a notice to previews when you don't sign. You can still deliberately omit the signature by either checking the "minor edit" box or typing "CONFIRM" when prompted.

Since forgetting to sign your post is one of the most common mistakes, I propose that instead of people opting into using my siggy warner, we add it to MediaWiki:Common.js as something that is loaded for all users. I think my siggy warner has reached a development status where it's ready to be included for everyone.

Potentially there could be a way to opt out of it, too - maybe by loading a user JS file that counteracts the effects of Siggy Warner.

@D_S: You are too late to say so - ScratchWikiSkin2 and Report Extension are user-generated. (you called Ken's Siggy Warner "user-generated", so these are also "user-generated".) Do you have any other reason? Apple502jTalk/Activities1,961edit 13:45, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Plenty of things that the Wiki itself relies on started off as user-generated things. This would be no exception. As apple rightfully points out, SWS2 and the Report extension are technically user-generated, as are WikiMonitor, TemplatesFTW, and other major parts. The only difference is that the "major" parts have been approved by the community to be a part of the Wiki itself and no longer counted as user-generated. By posting this, I am requesting that the community decide whether this should be moved into the main codebase and no longer simply a user-created script.kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 13:50, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

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Let's not get off track about what is or isn't user-created or modified. So far we have 2 supports and one disputed no support. Any other opinions?kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 06:58, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

@D_S Wm also updates the FPC, the too many edits warning and a bunch of other stuff as well. No support!asqwdetalk|contribs 15:36, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

@Drunken jvvg has said he is fine with it, becasue it is less for him to maintain as he is really busy. @Asqwde Why no support? (Just wondering) Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 16:10, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

(this indentation indicates a reply to @D_S) jvvg also noticed that I'm slowly integrating more WM functions into the core. He's fine with it, though, since it would be less for him to maintain. Actually, WM doesn't need to check file categories anymore, either - an abuse filter prevents file uploads without categories. But WM isn't anywhere near out of a job yet - it has curator updating and rapid edit detection, neither of which we can do regularly.

Hey, asqwde, if ya remain silent I won't know what the problem is, and I'll just put it in without a second thought - what's the reason you don't support?kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 14:17, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Since we don't have any valid rejects (yet) when is this planning to implemented? Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 16:05, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

I forgot to mention that you should create your common.js file if it doesn't yet exist, the contents of which should be that line. ._.kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 02:31, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

New page for mall simulators

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Should we make a new page for mall simulators? Mall simulators are sort of big with the biggest mall simulator (Palace of Points) having more than 1400 members. Should we create a page for it? Sti_scratch (talk | contribs) 04:55, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Mall simulators, let me explain, are studios where people can register and make projects and add them to the studio. These projects are shops, where people (that are registered in a mall simulator the shop is added in) can buy from. Mall simulators invent their own currency, not tradeable for real money, that is used within the mall simulator itself. So, I don't really think it would fit there since it's technically not a project. Sti_scratch (talk | contribs) 08:54, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Compliment Tuesday! November 27th, 2018

1:Welcome to the 16th Compliment Tuesday! November 27th, 2018.
2:WOW! Look at all these compilments. This is truly amazing!

What is Compliment Tuesday?

Compliment Tuesday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive!

You made so many edits over the summer and were so active! Thank you for everything you've done; we're looking forward to seeing your future edits contributions to the wiki! bigpuppytalk|contribs 17:32, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

You are so kind, with all your compliments! They are very sincere! Thank you for finding the good in all of us.:)Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 13:39, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for helping all around the wiki, participating in discussions and helping maintain the wiki's high standard!Drunken Sailor [ Talk | Contribs | More... ] 15:58, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

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There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Assets Page

Hi everyone! On the Community Portal on the forums, there has been a request for a page about assets on the wiki. I just want to get your opinion on whether it'd be worthwhile writing an article on it?
Redglitter (Talk ~ Contributions ~ 494 edits) 20:39, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

3.0 Release: 2.0 "Archiving"

Hi everyone, just wanted to say - Scratch 3 gets released very soon, so that means that we need to make sure everything about 2.0 has been "archived" on the wiki. Are there any pages that need more info to do with 2.0? (e.g images?) Because after about a month, there won't be a chance to screenshot parts of the website etc.

EDIT: We'll also need to start a page on the development of Scratch 3.0 before the chance to screenshot parts of the beta is gone.
Redglitter (Talk ~ Contributions ~ 494 edits) 16:08, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

I agree, we should have a 2.0 archive in some shape or form. Though we can still get most 2.0 editor images relatively easily because the offline editor is still available to be downloaded. Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 22:33, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

If possible, please screenshot all the pages with old navbar. (Like project pages) Credits, Educators and Parents page will also need screenshots. Localized versions are also welcomed. Apple502jTalk/Activities1,961edit 09:22, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

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But some articles shouldn't have (2.0) after them... it'll really have to be decided on a case-by-case basis, so that's why I'll be there.kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 13:41, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Contributions

So, I was looking at my contributions and I found that many of the contribs I did were on pages with the User: namespace or the User talk: namespace. I feel that this wouldn't show our contributions to the Wiki. Is there any ways to change this? Or is it from the mw software? 12944qwertyTalkContribsScratch 18:08, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Yes and Yes, :) Select the namespace as "User", then click "Invert selection", and "Associated Namespace" You can view it here. :)Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 02:25, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

That wasn't what I was completely looking for. I also want it to remove multiple namespaces than just one. 12944qwertyTalkContribsScratch 03:12, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Not possible on the Special:Contributions page, but the usercontribs API module allows filtering multiple namespaces. This will get you your contributions (up to 500 of them, press the "continue" button to get more) in the (main), Talk, Scratch Wiki, and Scratch Wiki talk namespaces.kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 13:38, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Everything you wanted to know about Snap!...

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but never dared to ask, now it's your chance to directly talk to Brian Harvey, one of the developers of Snap!, from Uni Berkeley at the next Scratch Club. If you are interested in joining the Scratch Club (via Google hangout, you need to be 18+ or have your parent's consent) please contact us here. The next Scratch Club with Brian Harvey as guest will be on Wednesday, December 19, 2018, at 20:00 CET and will be held in English. If you cannot join, you can also post some questions to discuss here. Frodewin (talk | contribs) 11:42, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

8pm CET is 3am HKT... I really want to join, but I'm likely not going to be able to. I'll leave questions here.

Snap! is too complicated for the age range of the vast majority of Scratchers, but for older ones like myself and many people here it's just right. Do you forsee Snap! being a teaching tool for teens the same way Scratch is for kids?

Scratch 3.0 is being released soon, and with it a cleaner and improved user interface design. Do you think an update to Snap! to mimic the new 3.0 design would be a good idea? (Minus the annoying parts of the design, such as the thicker blocks, and with modifications as you may see fit.)

How would you optimize Snap to solve mathematical problems/applications/computer science problems where large data sets are involved?

Do demonstrations in Snap help Students understand structures in other programming languages? Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 22:25, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

I will ask your questions and protocol the answers. Regarding Twitter, the Scratch Club is very open to new people, but they should have some connection to our Wiki, so it depends who is addressed. Makethebrainhappy, are you going to join? Frodewin (talk | contribs) 20:51, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

I'd love to but I am busy at that time. Twitter is our medium to communicate with other educators and adults who do not frequent the Scratch Wiki. Based on that description, I will refrain from putting a mention on Twitter. :) Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 21:05, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

It was a very nice talk, we even learned about some of Snap!'s secret features. There is a protocol of it on the Scratch Club page. Frodewin (talk | contribs) 23:32, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Compliment Tuesday! December 18th, 2018

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Welcome to the 17th Compliment Tuesday! December 18th, 2018.

What is Compliment Tuesday?

Compliment Tuesday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive!

Thank you for listening to my 'music' (although I had doubts it was good music - now I know it probably isn't as bad as I thought it was.) KrIsMauser | talk | contribs | edits 12:06, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Don't know if I did this already, but thank you for creating Scratch and Commodore 64 so suddenly! From my perspective, it sprung up out of the blue, which was very nice since it was a complete article from the start. Very well written and well improved afterwards! :)kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 04:23, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

THANK YOU for updating the Snap! (programming language) article! I was rather disappointed that such an influential subject was so outdated here, and then you, a very long-time editor with canonical knowledge of the subject, came out of the blue and updated it. The article looks very complete and up-to-date now, so I think you have achieved your purpose admirably. I hope you can continue contributing to other articles as well :)kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 04:49, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Split the Paint Article

Not done

I was browsing the wiki and noticed that the Paint editor article (here) is really long and could possibly be split up into three different articles: History of the paint editor, 2.0 Bitmap Paint editor, and 2.0 Vector Paint Editor. Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 20:55, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

It is kinda long, but so is the CP, and do we split this? I realize it's not exactly the same thing, but it's not long enough to truly need splitting.kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 07:03, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

in Japanese wiki, we did split it. At that time, "Types of Graphics", "Bitmap Editor", "Vector Editor", "Bitmap and Vector Comparison", "Paint Editor Conversion", "Interaction With Other Programs", "Example Uses", and "Alternatives" section is kept. Others are moved to version subpages, such as Paint Editor (2.0). Guess what will happen next January here, without the change.

By the way, block workaround page is enough big to split, too, I think. It will be good for performance issues. Apple502jTalk/Activities1,961edit 08:24, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

I merged the previous 'The "Bitmap Editor" Page' topic with this one that I pulled from the archives, as I realize that the original one shouldn't have been archived. If the replies by CrazyBoy826 onwards seem out of context, that's why.

Next question: "Paint Editor" will have to redirect to either Bitmap or Vector Editor (not a disambig page, because there's only two). Which one?kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 05:19, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

There are some sections that cannot be on the two: Types of Graphics, Bitmap and Vector Comparison, Costume Pane, Basic Options, Interaction With Other Programs, Example Uses, History, and Alternatives. Keep them on Paint Editor.Apple502jTalk/Activities1,961edit 10:40, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Planned downtime at 07:00 UTC

All wikis will be put into read-only mode at 7:00 AM (UTC) to move the files between machines. This means that you will not be able to edit pages, upload files, or make any kind of database-modifying actions. This is so that you do not lose your work after the transfer. This transfer will have the advantage of giving us more control over our own systems.

We have seen issues caused by read-only mode before, including but not limited to broken file thumbnails. If you see any issues, feel free to take note of them and report them after the transfer is done, but most likely the issues will disappear once the wikis are no longer read-only.

Wrong Link to Featured Article

Done

On the front page of the Wiki, if you click "Read more..." or the title, it brings you to a page about SDS curators, but the image showing belongs to a page about getting started with Scratch. I don't know how to fix it, I've made a note about it on the real featured article's talk page. If it get's resolved I'll delete the talk page. EIephant_Lover (talk | contribs) 01:26, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

New Page for Accepted FPC Applications + Regular FPC Applications

Hey! Should we create an article on accepted FPC applications + Regular FPC Applications? New Scratchers may not know what that means, and want to know more. Is there already an article on that?Purple_Ember (talk | contribs) 03:21, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Please add all approved Extensions to all Scratch Wikis

@kenny2Scratch: Could you please fulfill me a great wish an add all extensions (+ other version related stuff) that have been approved in the english Scratch Wiki to all other Scratch Wikis. This is a generalisation of my specific wish, please add mediawikiwiki:Extension:SyntaxHighlight to de:Special:Version#Installed extensions. I think it's best for all international Scratch Wikis to profit from Extensions that have been approved in other Wikis, mostly the en: Scratch WIki. In the (IMHO rarely) situation, that a Scratch Wiki community of a certain language doesn't want a certain Extension, it's easier to disable that Extension later, than to create a discussion process before (when nobody has seen the advantages of that new Extension). Thank you very much in advance!

I have already been working towards something like this... The CommonSettings.php plan is already implemented for English and Test wikis, and I'm trying to combine the other wikis' LocalSettings files as well. Part of that will include symlinking all the wikis' extensions directories to one wiki's. Once I figure out how it's going to work, this will be done.kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 14:23, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

@Ken: Great! I hope you'll find a solution soon. If I cant't wait anymore, I will install the most wanted Extensions separately in de: myself . MartinWollenweberTalkContribsDirectory 14:47, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

A little on my part, though I am only helping on a small part, with the wiki farm.Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 01:18, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

I've now symlinked all the wikis' extensions folders to the English one, which now contains every extension any wiki has ever used. Any wiki can load any extension used by any other wiki now. (This means that the original point of this topic is Done - all wikis can add all extensions if necessary.)kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 09:40, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Compliment Tuesday! January 1st, 2019

Welcome to the 16th Compliment Tuesday! January 1st, 2019.

What is Compliment Tuesday?

Compliment Tuesday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive!

Thank you for doing the main work of transfering all scratch wikis to the new server, coping with all the occuring problems, not giving up after the first unsuccessfull try and finaly making it. Great Job!MartinWollenweberTalkContribsDirectory 09:11, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

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The next CT is January 8th, 2019! Whooo! Happy New year!!! See you then!

Articles to update for 3.0

Hello everyone, it's already January 2nd for me, so I figure I might as well get the preparations started.

Observations/Edit Guidance

Pages outdated upon 3.0 release are incredibly numerous. In most cases, one or more of the following edits can or should happen:

Parts that talk about 3.0 features in future tense (e.g. "there will be a new paint editor") should be changed to use present tense (e.g. "there is a new paint editor") or past tense (e.g. "a new paint editor was introduced")

Parts that talk about 3.0 changes in future tense (e.g. "the editor will be moved to the right side") should be changed to use past tense (e.g. "the editor was moved to the right side")

Parts that mention dates in any tense should have their tense updated (e.g. "the official release will be January 2019" -> "the official release was January 2019")

Parts that talk about 2.0 features in any tense (e.g. "the paint editor has these features") should be changed to use past tense (e.g. "the paint editor had these features")

Parts that talk about 2.0 changes in any tense (e.g. "the editor was moved to the left") should all be changed to past tense if they haven't already.

Take this opportunity to update things that weren't changed from 1.4 days as well.

Progress

Here is a list of articles that need to be updated (on their real versions in mainspace) upon the release of 3.0. You can probably already start updating them now. Articles marked with an asterisk (*) have updates available at Scratch Wiki:3.0 Articles/the article title, but:

Warning:

do not copy articles directly from their 3.0 versions!

Though in most cases the information will be correctly updated, make sure to use your own judgement as to its accuracy.

Note:

Some of the articles listed below need to be created.

Feel free to update this list yourself. Add any articles that you discover that need updates; remove articles that have been updated.

How to Embed a Project

Blocks

Change () Effect by () (sound block)

Development of Scratch 3.0

Project

File:Name bar.png

File:Offline Editor Share Icon.png

Remember to take this opportunity to clean up articles as well as update them!

Fix typography or other writing issues as you come across them

We don't want to have to make a second sweep to clean up all the weird grammar from tense changes. Remember to fix the grammar and spelling of the articles as a whole while you update them.

Ask for help when you need it

If a page or redirect needs to be deleted or you need some other admin action, leave a message at Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Admin Requests. If you don't specifically need admin actions, you can ask anyone you think would know the answer to your question.

Nothing has changed between 2.0 to 3.0 in Front Page, Messages, Discuss, Profiles. (Maybe more but these are all I've been to). The Project page and project editor are the only ones that have. 12944qwertyTalkContribsScratch 15:01, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

The front page has changed, they've just been using the 3.0 skin for a while. Notice how the top bar is bright blue there and on project pages but a darker blue in discuss and the profiles as well as studios. Messages have also been at the 3.0 skin for a while. My stuff (and everything in it, like trash) has not been updated either. EIephant_Lover (talk | contribs) 02:36, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

I feel like Scratch 3 might actually be late, because I am in the EST timezone and it is about 3 PM, and that is NOT the early afternoon. It is more like the middle afternoon. 1 PM is the early afternoon. LuckyLucky7 (talk | contribs) 19:59, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

If Scratch 3 has been here for two days why are the pages still outdated? 16itople1 (talk | contribs) 08:56, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

There are a lot of Wiki pages, 1,259 of them to be exact. This is going to take a long time and a lot of effort to update. Be patient! There are still pages on here that were last updated in the 1.4 days.kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 10:32, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Errors whilst accessing the Scratch Wiki

On the Scratch Wiki, after the Scratch Website was put into Maintainance Mode, I frequently saw some 508 "Resource Limit Reached" errors. Does anyone know the cause for this? Jammum (talk | contribs) 13:18, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

No concrete cause, only speculation. My suspicion is that now that the website is down, people are turning to the Wiki... but we're not equipped to handle that kind of traffic, so we're borking as well. Martin's emailed me, and I've emailed him... but any solution would involve contacting the server provider and that takes time. Nothing to be done at present.kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 13:20, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Some parts of the navbar (like the Scratch Logo) are missing because those parts are hosted on the Scratch Website. The Scratch Website is currently down to switch from Scratch 2.0 to 3.0, which also means that images stored on it cannot be accessed by anyone or anything. The CDN containing user profile images are still available, as only the main Scratch Website (not any subdomains) is down for maintainance. Jammum (talk | contribs) 15:11, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Why no Double Redirects?

If you click on a double redirect, the first redirect works properly, but it just pauses at the second one and you have to manually click it. This prevents infinite redirects. CrazyBoy826Talk | Contribs | Scratch account 21:57, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Not just you. For a while, no one could comment. Some pages haven't updated to 3.0 yet either. Projects don't remix, and they don't save a lot either. It logged me out for no reason. Hopefully they fix these bugs soon, but the Wiki still seems to work! :) EIephant_Lover (talk | contribs) 01:00, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

The ST fixed the problem on a release on January 9, which also included raising the limit for cloud variables and fixing blurry images. CrazyBoy826Talk | Contribs | Scratch account 03:09, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

File not displaying in my signature

Why doesn't this file display when it's put at a size smaller than 125px?

Gifs are known to be troublesome. Likely the server ran out of memory when trying to shrink it to size. But using gifs in your signature is against custom signature guidelines anyway (they get too flashy if we allow gifs) - just use a static armamemedillo.kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 10:34, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Remove Backpack Banner

We should remove the backpack banner now snice Scratch 3 is released now.Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 15:36, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Comments as Citations

Should comments be used as citations? Some comments are so old that they don't seem to load if someone wants to check the citation. Anyone have a solution to the problem?Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 16:35, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

If you want to use a comment for a citation, you could take a picture of it, upload it to CubeUpload and then use the direct link or something like that I guess. I don't have any ideas for the current comments that don't load, though...-ShadowOfTheFuture- (talk | contribs) 18:17, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

The Problem with that is then someone could edit it then take a screen shot.Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 21:51, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

If you can't fetch the quote because the comment is so old, then unfortunately there's nothing to be done. Whatever material that references the comment will have to be assumed to be verifiable by the comment, unless proven otherwise.kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 10:30, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Scratch 3.0 should be faster at loading comments though...? A new thing it does is instead of loading all of the comments leading down to it, it only shows the comment you clicked the link to and has a "see all comments" button. EIephant_Lover (talk | contribs) 01:09, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

The page I mentioned in the above title is used by users as a test discussion page. I think the tests shouldn't belong on that page. Should they be removed? Jammum (talk | contribs) 10:54, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

The welcome tutorial itself says to do a test on the talk page! No, that's a perfect place to test. Definitely keep it the way it is.kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 09:10, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Blocks in articles should display smaller

The current blocks plugin has resulted in significantly larger blocks than we had in the previous version. In fact, they are even larger than the blocks in the Scratch editor. Measuring on my screen, the Glide () Secs to () block is 40px tall in the editor (measured from the highest to lowest pixel), while in the blocks plugin, it is 58px tall. This is almost 50% larger. You can see the difference below:

In that image, the block on the left is from the editor, while the block on the right is from the blocks plugin. This is resulting in the blocks not only being larger than in the editor, but so large that they are becoming distracting from the actual text. Therefore, I propose requesting to the current creator of the blocks plugin that the blocks be made smaller. This will result both in the blocks more accurately resembling what you see in the editor and having them be less distracting from the text in articles. They would look something like this:

I implemented a fix for this on the Wiki extension when it was added, so I'm confused - are you talking about the forums plugin or the blocks as displayed on the Wiki? Because on the Wiki it looks like this:

glide () secs to ( v)

Three blocks - left is actual rendered inline scratchblocks; middle is the "small" block in the image in the OP; right is the "big" block in the OP image.kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 01:24, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

I'm talking about blocks as displayed on the Wiki. The big block in the image is how the blocks display for me on the Wiki (latest version of Firefox on Windows 10). They should display in a size more like what they appear like in the program (small block in the image) or possibly slightly smaller.jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:56, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Scratch Block Images

So, I thought we were basically done with converting things to 3.0. The thing is, most block pages show 2.0 style blocks. For example, look here. Before I updated the picture, it was a 2.0 file. Are these supposed to be like this or should we update them all? EIephant_Lover (talk | contribs) 00:10, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

We should update the images. However, the current image filenames include "2.0", so we should upload them under new files (like "3.0 () - ().png" or whatever) and keep the older ones for historical purposes.jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:57, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Okay. I've updated a few of them already, can you undo image updates? EIephant_Lover (talk | contribs) 18:52, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

I already restored the old versions. The versions you uploaded are still there under the file history, so you can re-upload those under new filenames.jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:53, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

I also have the same problem. I refresh a couple of times and it works but I fear that it is happening more often. Something is wrong... 12944qwertyTalkContribsScratch 23:38, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

It has not been removed. There is just a bug where most of the time, it loads without. A few hard refreshes will temporarily fix it. CrazyBoy826Talk | Contribs | Scratch account 23:42, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

HTTP and HTTPS versions of the site

Every time, I notice that there are both HTTP and HTTPS versions of the Scratch Wiki website, with logging in/out independent of each other (if I am logged in on one, the other may be different). This recently started, with the first incident on January 6. What's happening to the site? CrazyBoy826Talk | Contribs | Scratch account 23:41, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

I know some browsers, (such as Brave) will automatically upgrade to https.RonTheNerd (talk | contribs) 04:24, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

This is due to an htaccess issue, I think - we just don't redirect requests from http to https, and most browsers don't send https cookies to the http version of the same site. I'll fix the htaccess files at some point.kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 09:05, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Isn't the Scratch Cat the same as it was in 2.0? How about one of the new sprites added in the 3.0 Countdown projects? Jedibrine (talk | contribs) 04:54, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

No, the image is not the same. The whiskers are in different places and the lines aren't as sharp. Also, beneath the eyes is smooth rather than jagged lines. There are also no creases at the forehead. I think that the new Scratch cat is a good one :) EIephant_Lover (talk | contribs) 20:56, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

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Are we doing this? It hasn't been changed in more than 2 months...... 12944qwertyTalkContribsScratch 01:27, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Experimental caching

I have enabled file caching in MediaWiki in order to improve performance. The basic idea is that once a page is converted from Wiki markup to HTML code once, it just saves the result and uses that all future times the page is requested rather than parsing it again.

This shouldn't affect most of you too much, but you will probably notice this:

When you load a page for the first time after editing it or if it hasn't been opened by anyone in a while, it will take slightly longer to load

Every time you or someone else loads a page after that, it will load slightly faster

I noticed that when I load talk pages such as the Community Portal, it takes 5-7 seconds even when no comments have been added. After reloading again, it loads with the same speed. Jedibrine (talk | contribs) 05:24, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

I noticed now that when I scroll to the bottom of the page, the text doesn't load. It is just the page box (warnings show up for some reason) and a blue background Jedibrine (talk | contribs) 02:26, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

"warnings"? What do you mean? (and if you mean what I think you mean, can you tell me what the warnings say?)kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 02:41, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Warning: as in these. It also suddenly got really laggy while I was editing my user page, then it took 15+ seconds to load the Community Portal... Jedibrine (talk | contribs) 05:01, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Sudden lag is better than lag all the time... but now I'm really confused. Next time you see that happen, could you take a screenshot and post that here? (I recommend uploading the screenshot to https://cubeupload.com and not the Wiki, thanks.)kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 09:26, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Now it takes 30 seconds to load a page, and the Community Portal page took way longer, so I just deleted the tab. It also didn't let me log in for a minute. BTW I'm on ChromeJedibrine (talk | contribs) 16:20, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

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What is the browser/operating system? Maybe that makes a difference?
Mine is: ChromeOS 11151.59.0, Chrome 71.0.3578.94
Also, I don't know if it is just me but syntax Highlight is working more often again. I don't know if this was the reason... 12944qwertyTalkContribsScratch 17:20, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Same stuff here, although there is an update available now Jedibrine (talk | contribs) 05:46, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Yes, when I saved my page it didn't save, and it didn't load any pages after that for around 4 hours (this happened in the morning). It just showed a dead loading thingy on the tab of the page. Jedibrine (talk | contribs) 01:30, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Let me clarify multiple things here:

Operating system and browser are irrelevant to loading issues.

Delays and slowdowns are being caused by the database, not caching.

I think I've narrowed down the cause for the syntax highlighting for the editor not working all the time: it only activates when the URL parameters are exactly "?title=...&action=edit", no more, no less. (Hypothesis, as yet untested.) Again, not caused by caching.

Let me explain what caching is so that you don't treat it as a black box that causes all problems. Here's the process for our current system of caching. When a page loads:

First, the kind of user is determined. If the user is not an anonymous user, no caching is done. No logged-in user is shown a cached page, i.e. none of your troubles could be caused by caching because you are logged in and are therefore ignored by caches! (Additionally, anonymous users who have unchecked talk page messages are also not shown cached pages, but anonymous users cannot possibly have talk page messages on this wiki so that is irrelevant.)

Second, the kind of page is determined. Caching is only done for pages that:

are not special pages (i.e. pages that start with "Special:")

are not redirects

are being viewed in the current version (latest revision), normal wiki view, no URL parameters, nothing but the page itself.

Third, MW checks whether there is a cached version of the page. (These are stored as HTML files in a directory.)

If there is, that gets directly served and the request ends there.

If there is not:

The page's content is retrieved from the database.

The retrieved content is saved in the cache directory.

The cached content is served the same way it would if it was already cached.

There is no way that caching could be causing any of your problems because, once more, it is not done for logged-in users. Try to investigate further as to the cause of problems instead of just assuming "oh, it's just that 'caching' thing again".kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 06:29, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Trends

Hey! I wanted to add the Thanos Cat Trend to the Trends page under "Icons". I don't know if there are enough people who have done it for it to qualify as a trend, and I don't know who started it. Can someone help me find the information and tell me if it is even a trend? Thanks!

I think it would still be allowed, since it is still a good reference. The link might need to be changed to the archived page on Internet Archive though.Mrcomputer1 (talk | contribs) 06:27, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

We have a {{dead link}} template you can add just after the reference if you even can't find any Internet Archive pages as well - this signifies that the reference was once there, but no more.kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 06:46, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Scratch Team Members

I looked at the credits on the Scratch Team article and found this link. I opened all of the users mentioned in the credits and discovered that some of the Scratch Team members were excluded from the wiki page. If anyone knows anything about these ST Members, please tell me so I can add them to the page.

Missing confirmed Scratch Team Members (people with the "Scratch Team" tag):

I've completely revamped the Scratch Team#Members part to match the new credits page. If you know which users in your "other important users" bit correspond to which names in the Members section, please don't hesitate to add them. Otherwise, Donekenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 06:45, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

I noticed this before, but the only one I added was stymphalianbirb, and I didn't know who she was. Apparently, this was because the Credits didn't link to their user profiles before now. 1a3c5e7g9i(Talk|Contributions) 23:51, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Actually, linking to ST profiles is a new feature, not an old bug - it was added in this pull, because of (or maybe unrelated to, I don't actually know) this topic of mine. The point is, it links now, so I was able to use that. In fact, quick JS snippet for future updating:

Wiki Appearance

The Scratch Wiki site appearance should be updated to match Scratch 3.0's update of some aspects of the Scratch Website. How about like adding something like Bootstrap to make it look nicer? Jedibrine (talk | contribs) 04:58, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

What are you talking about? The current skin was specifically designed to match the 3.0 styles. (I should know, I designed it!) If you mean the content part, sidebar etc those are wiki features and don't fit into the Scratch style of content. Already done

Oh lol I meant the sidebar and buttons and boxes and stuff like that. Jedibrine (talk | contribs) 03:55, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

New Page

I want to create a page on the GPIO Scratch 1.4 extension for the Raspberry Pi, but I don't know if it is useful and I don't really have much time to do it. Can some people tell me if they use GPIO or even Scratch 1.4 on Raspberry Pi? Thanks! Jedibrine (talk | contribs) 05:04, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Scratch 1.4 on RPi for me: no, I use my RPi as a server. And because there's Scratch 2.0 on Pis now I doubt anyone will ever use it. If you see someone asking around on the forums about the GPIO extension, then it may be time to consider it, but before that it's not worth it. I don't think there's even much to say about it besides the fact that you can interact with GPIO devices...kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 10:03, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Ok, I was just going to make a mini tutorial on how to use it and how it works. I have 2 Raspberry Pis (A+ and 3B+) so I work with Scratch 2.0 and 1.4. Thanks for responding! Jedibrine (talk | contribs)

It's only that it doesn't work right now (the embed link works, but the actual embedding part breaks). That's something already in progress on GitHub. We don't need to worry about it.kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 09:46, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Compliment Tuesday! January 15th, 2019

Welcome to the 17th Compliment Tuesday! January 15th, 2019.

What is Compliment Tuesday?

Compliment Tuesday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive!

There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

The most recent CT post is marked as Not Done, so that it remains even when archiving - i.e. there is always at least one CT post on the CP, even after an archive.kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 03:19, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

You don't have to consult media wiki to have it changed! You (Bureaucrats)(as far as I know only they can change it on the sw) can add filters to it to make it custom to your need.

This seem like they could be helpful, though as for the second one there may be a few categories that set it off mainly a few of the Category:Hidden categories and Category:Open User Pages. Though, it might not be necessary to add these because I have never seen those things happen (expect for the categories mentioned above). Have you seen it happen before?Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 21:25, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Before adding either of these, are there any legitimate reasons for putting signatures in mainspace or for adding userpages to categories?

Off the top of my head I can't think why signatures would go in mainspace (they do go in subject pages, but not specifically mainspace), so I'd probably do that, but then there's also the problem of figuring out what's actually a signature. But are there any pages that need signatures (even as example sigs)?

Adding userpages to categories is harder. That filter apple posted only detects manual categories, but it doesn't work for templates that add categories. There's really no good way of knowing when a page is put into a category without using a lot of magic. Besides, the rare cases that people decide to categorize their userpages will be walked all over by anyone who pays attention to RC anyway, so I don't think it's worth adding a filter for.kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 02:37, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

One legitimate reason I can think of to add a template with a category in userspace is administrative templates, such as {{delete}}.jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:37, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

That's not a manual category, which is all that any abuse filter would be able to detect... is there any legitimate use for putting a [[Category:Thing]] in any page?kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 06:44, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

How do you use .js and .css subpages?

Super confused... can you edit the .css and .js subpages in CSS or JS? How do you incorporate the CSS and JS into a page? How can you use .js files? Would you have to link the files to ex: your userpage for it to work? Plz help :anyone who has these or knows how to use themJedibrine (talk | contribs) 02:07, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Scratch Wiki Server and Edit Conflict Problem

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Internet on the Scratch Wiki has been extremely slow for me for a few days. I'm on Windows 10, and Chrome, Firefox, and Edge are all slow. Because the internet is so slow, it started to load, but then I ended it because I had to do something else. The second time it fully saved, but I had an edit conflict with myself, maybe because the other save went far enough into the process that it actually succeeded. CrazyBoy826Talk | Contribs | Scratch account 16:44, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi everyone. This seems to be a problem experienced across our entire user base, not necessarily isolated to one or two users. We are aware of the issue and are actively working to fix this. Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 19:35, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Yes, the community portal never loaded either until now (I have been trying for 2 days)Jedibrine (talk | contribs) 00:10, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

We feel like the connectivity should definitely be improving in the next couple of days. Please let us know if there are still issues. Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 17:10, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

We have taken concrete steps to address the issue. Thank you for your continued patience. :) Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 00:44, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

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It has been a lot quicker now! 12944qwertyTalkContribsScratch 20:52, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

We just downgraded the PHP version to 7.1 from 7.2 since PHP 7.2 is known to cause unnecessary load on webservers. This shouldn't impact functionality since MediaWiki still supports PHP 7.1. Please let us know if any problems come up (or if this results in better performance for everyone).jvvg (talk | contribs) 21:08, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

@jvvg: The Extensions like BlockPlugin and also Accounting seem not to work anymore in DE and EN, but work in HU and FR...frodewin changend "localsettings.php" at the HU sysopsite by just outcomenting the Extentions and changed it back accidentaly at the same time you downgraded PHP. Ken introduced "commonsettings.php" as a shared part of "localsettings.php" at EN and DE about a wee ago, but not in FR and HU...so I suppose frodewins test with the HU-"localsettings.php" had no influence, but your downgrade in combination with Kens "commonsettings.php" was the reason that the Extension don't work properly at the moment...strange...or it's just because EN and DE use versions of the Extentions that don't work with PHP 7.1 whereas HU and FR do work with 7.1...MartinWollenweberTalkContribsDirectory 21:43, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Ad problems: The ScratchBlocks Plugin is not working for English and German wikis. Frodewin (talk | contribs) 21:47, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

But as a result we now know that the Extentions that don't work at the moment (because of PHP7.1 ?) have been responsible for the slowness oth the Wikis ;-) MartinWollenweberTalkContribsDirectory 22:10, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Suddenly everything's fast now, but I still sometimes get the edit conflict problem. I found the difference between the two edits was that the old one had "{{User:CrazyBoy826/sig2}} Time, Day Month Year (UTC)", and the newer version had four tildes instead. CrazyBoy826Talk | Contribs | Scratch account 16:40, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

April Fools Stuff

Done

So guys, how do you find your April Fools page?
Dilek10 (talk | contribs) 09:39, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Scratch Blocks Bug

I don't know if it is just me but the scratch blocks doesn't render anymore. I tried refreshing cache too. Could it be because of PHP version? Here is an example:
move (10) steps12944qwertyTalkContribsScratch 02:53, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

We're looking into it. It's possible it's related to the PHP version change, but we're not sure yet. We will keep you posted.jvvg (talk | contribs) 03:32, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

I have fixed it. The problem actually had nothing to do with the PHP version change, it was because the Wiki plugin depends on an external script that moved to a new URL.jvvg (talk | contribs) 03:46, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

.sprite3 Files Not Allowed?

In Scratch 3.0, you can't download a sprite costume, so I downloaded the sprite and got a .sprite3 file. The Wiki doesn't support these, but it does support the .sprite2 files. Can we update it somehow to allow .sprite3 files? EIephant_Lover (talk | contribs) 23:13, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Should we update the Remix page?

Done Should we move the Remix page to "Remix - 2.0" and do a new "Remix - 3.0"? Or should we just update it? I made a new file for the remix button in 3.0 (File:Remix 3.0.png) instead of the old one. So I don't know what to do. EIephant_Lover (talk | contribs) 01:15, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Change the files, but anything that didn't really change between 2.0 and 3.0 should not warrant separate pages. (Studios and commenting didn't change at all! Don't make new pages for the "updated" versions.)kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 05:35, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Okay then. I was just thinking since the placement of things is a bit different. (Also, I meant adding people to studios :P) EIephant_Lover (talk | contribs) 17:22, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

And adding projects, but New Pages wouldn't be necessary. If there were minor changes, you could maybe add a section on those Jedibrine (talk | contribs) 17:38, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for updating it. But I had already made the file (File:Remix notice 3.0.png) as you can see in a comment above. Make sure that if possible, use example names instead of real ones if you can. It isn't always a requirement, but it's best not to make duplicate files. (I left the one for 2.0 and made a new one for 3.0). If anybody else thinks I messed up, please be sure to let me know! If I am wrong I'm very sorry :)EIephant_LoverTalkContributionsSubpages 00:35, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Ah, sorry, I used the example names of ScratchCat and ScratchCatsup, it seemed a bit more real I guess. DeleteThisAcount (talk | contribs) 20:29, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

It's okay :) It's just that they're real Scratchers with real projects, and I kind of felt like that was advertising. My main thing was just that it was practically a duplicate file :PEIephant_LoverTalkContributionsSubpages 00:42, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

The Scratch Mascots are real Scratchers with real projects. They may not all be actively creating projects and stuff, but they do have them and those projects can still be loved and favorited. I think they're run by ST members. Look here for ScratchCatsup and here for one of their real projects.EIephant_LoverTalkContributionsSubpages 19:09, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Category page not updating.

Hello! On Category:Unreleased pages that don't have the category Unreleased are being shown on the page. They are not redirects, I have purged the cache on the Category Page and on the page it has been falsely link multiple times, and closed the browser entirely waited a few minutes (about 5), but they still seem to falsely be linked. Any one else having this Issue? Any other recommendations? Thanks Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 22:33, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

This seems to have been resolved. In an effort to improve page load times, we made it so that some jobs are run in the background at low-demand times, and one of those is updating category page lists, so it probably just took a bit for that job to run. Donejvvg (talk | contribs) 02:48, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Bots aren't going to be given admin privileges and bots with that idea have been rejected before. Also I believe Mathfreak231 (The bot's owner) is inactive now.Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 22:24, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

I was thinking that Wikimonitor should also include updating the Featured Studios. What do you think? 12944qwertyTalkContribsScratch 19:41, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Report?

When do I use the report button in the page history? As far as I know, edits that are worth being reported are reverted instead. 12944qwertyTalkContribsScratch 20:42, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

You'd use it when the edit needs to be hidden from history as well as reverted, or in other cases when admin action is necessary.kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 08:30, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Scratch Blocks help...

I am making a new article that is currently in my Sandbox. In there, the scratch blocks are acting up. They are at different sizes and are not showing up. Can someone help? You can edit the page to. 12944qwertyTalkContribsScratch 19:26, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

nvm, it got fixed but I did notice that the comments were a lot smaller that the blocks... 12944qwertyTalkContribsScratch 01:08, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Should there be a topic about common bugs/glitches and their workarounds?

The title is pretty self explanatory-Should there be a topic about common bugs/glitches and their workarounds? For instance, it could list common bugs such as "Follow button hidden", and the prompt to fix them, such as "Turn off the ad-blocker"?
Kritav (talk | contribs) 03:12, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

I don't think so, bugs should be reported to the Scratch Team so they may be fixed at any time. It would be better to create a forum post about that. If it is an older or famous glitch, feel free to create an article on it! Jedibrine (talk | contribs) 04:26, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

There is already a list of sorts of both past and present glitches at Scratch Bugs. It doesn't seem to be particularly up-to-date, but you can add any common bugs and their workarounds there if you want. Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 09:25, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Redirect appears before actual article?

I looked up "terms of use" (without capitalization) and it brought me to this page. As you can see, the first link is a redirect page to Terms of Use. The second is the actual Terms of Use page. Why doesn't "terms of use" redirect to "Terms of Use" or at least have the actual article appear before the redirect? Is this supposed to be like this, or should all pages not capitalized correctly just lead to the search page?EIephant_LoverTalkContributionsSubpages 22:14, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

That's a really good question! I have no idea, and I think that an admin has the power to redirect pages. :) Jedibrine (talk | contribs) 01:55, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

@EIephan Lover - Normally people would search with proper capitilization. If they don't, they can click on the similar title link. However, if you feel people would search for 'terms of use' more often than with capitilization, you can create a redirect page.

@jedibrine - Any logged in user has the privilege to redirect pages. Your just have to type in #REDIRECT [[LINK]] on the very first line. Nothing should come before it. 12944qwertyTalkContribsScratch 13:19, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Okay. I figured most people (like me) wouldn't worry about capitalization when searching. It makes sense for links, but the average Joe I would assume doesn't think "Oh oops let me make sure that this search has proper grammar, and that I didn't forget any capitalization!" Personally, I think we should make it so that capitalization doesn't matter when searching, but still does for links.

Capitalization doesn't affect searching. As to why the redirect appeared first, the simple answer is that "Scratch Terms of Use" is sorted alphabetically before "Terms of Use". Q R S, T U V. kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 10:14, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Ah, I see. I didn't realize it was alphabetical. And by the capitalization affecting searching, it does, because if you look up "terms of use" it leads to a search page and "Terms of Use" leads directly to the page.EIephant_LoverTalkContributionsSubpages 17:52, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

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Yes an no, the very first letter of any article doesn't matter. Every other capitilization does matter. 12944qwertyTalkContribsScratch 19:39, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

What I meant by capitalization not affecting searching is that if you're brought to the search page, then the capitalization of the search won't matter. If you search with the correct caps, you're brought directly to the page, but otherwise you'll still find the page. (Basically, the "Terms of Use" page will not be missing from search results just because you searched "terms of use".)kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 05:38, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

There are currently 1,259 actual articles, which doesn't include redirects. (The statistic that includes redirects is 15,991.)kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 10:19, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

I am going to die with laughter from the difference in them!!!! WE HAVE MORE THAN 14,000 redirect pages. 12944qwertyTalkContribsScratch 14:06, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Actually I believe that number includes userpages, templates, and the like - i.e. all pages in all namespaces. We have less redirects than you think :þkenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 14:22, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Header Numbers

Is there a way to remove header numbers? It is annoying for things like Welcome templates and Userpages... Jedibrine (talk | contribs) 00:55, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, I wanted to force no headers for things like welcome templates, but it is off on default so that shouldn't be a problem to other people Jedibrine (talk | contribs) 01:50, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Why doesn't the "CodeMirror" thing always work?

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Sometimes, I'll start editing, and notice that the little rainbow wheel shows up, and when it does, the code and wiki markup show in different colors. If you hover over it, it says "Disable CodeMirror (Syntax highlight)". If you click it, everything is shown as plain text and the wheel turns black, and it says "Enable" instead of "Disable". I know what it does and what it's for, but sometimes it doesn't even show up. It's weird and inconsistent, since I was testing it out and it isn't showing up now but it is in a different Community Portal discussion.EIephant_LoverTalkContributionsSubpages 15:43, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, it happens all the time. I think it had something to do with the URL. I didn't really get it either.

I don't know for sure either - I speculated before, I believe, that it had something to do with how CodeMirror decides when to show itself, and that the method it used involved the URL address. A quick Google search doesn't turn up anything useful... I suppose we'll just have to treat it as a known bug for now.kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 13:03, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, I guess. It's annoying because the siggy bot gets confused if it doesn't show, and it asks me to confirm even if I've already put a signature. Then I have to type "CONFIRM" twice.EIephant_LoverTalkContributionsSubpages 22:06, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

If it allowed using the 2.0 editor, it doesn't anymore - viewing uploads.scratch.mit.edu/projects/* redirects to the main site. But I don't think it's significant enough to merit an article of its own, as there really isn't enough info on it.kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 13:06, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Is suggesting things here the same thing as on the Suggestions forums?

Done So, some of you may know that people reply to suggestions by saying "support because ..." or "no support because ...", etc., but is it the same thing here?
NilsTheBest (talk | contribs) 10:18, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

from what i know it is not the same as this is the scratch wiki not actually the scratch forums

Suggestions for Scratch are off-topic here, but suggestions for the Wiki can be raised as a CP topic as normal. I've done so many times in the past, both as a normal user and an admin; you can do so too.

As for people's opinions, yes, usually the way people express opinions is to state the opinion and then explain the rationale - so the "support because..." thing is not a Suggestions-specific response type but a general response to any motion.kenny2scratchTalkContribsDirectory 09:30, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

scratchblocks version parameter

I was thinking we should have a version parameter for scratchblocks so that we could see what they looked like in previous versions of Scratch. This would be useful for articles that cover previous versions of Scratch.
Example: <scratchblocks version="2.0"></scratchblocks>1a3c5e7g9i(Talk|Contributions) 20:40, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

I definitely support! When we were moving to 3.0 I originally thought that we would keep the old sb extension and just change the tag to "scratchblocks2" (or something like that), and make a new one for 3.0 and it would have a "scratchblocks" tag.Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 20:52, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Compliment Tuesday! March 19th, 2019

Welcome to the 18th Compliment Tuesday! March 19th, 2019.

What is Compliment Tuesday?

Compliment Tuesday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive!

Thank you for being so active and helpful in the community! Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 19:58, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

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There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)