There is most certainly voter fraud going on...there is simply no doubt to that.

The real question is "how much" is going on.

One of the problems with investigating voter fraud is that if it is successful, there is virtually no record or evidence.

Sometimes though, there are some tell tale signs...

For instance, more votes than registered voters in a district.

OR

A 100% or 99.9% vote for a certain candidate through districts. There were reports of this happening for Obama in minority districts in OH & PA. No doubt Obama would carry the vote, win, and WIN BIG. HOWEVER, you can't tell me that Mitt Romney would not get even get 1/2 of 1% of the vote in a district? That somebody (elderly) might get confused and vote for the "wrong" person? That out of several thousand black voters, there is NOT even 1 Republican voter? That Obama would outscore Romney 19,000+ to zero? I think these margins were even greater than what Saddam Hussein got when he was in charge of Iraq.

Of course, everybody in charge of elections and part of the establishment say it is human error, statistical problems, machine malfunction, etc. NEVER VOTER FRAUD.Of course, that is pretty much exactly what you would expect them to say/do.

As for illegals voting, there are MILLIONS of them in the country. There is simply NO WAY that NONE of them voted. Now was it 1 in a million, 1 in a 100,000, or 1 in a 100?

So I would argue that there is most definitely voter fraud going on. To the extent that it exists, is it enough to change outcomes? Hard to say.

Of course it's in the interests of Republicans to establish voter fraud - but it can't happen - because the voter fraud is being done legallyand Republicans have no legislative power to change it. CA and ILL have been Democratically controlled for more years than I can remember.

Do I think illegal immigrants are voting in Presidential elections? Yes, I do - but only in those states that make it very easy to do so.Most states have very tight voter registration laws - like - you have to prove you are a US citizen - that's a novel concept - just not inplaces like IL and CA. Most of Middle America actually respects the rule of law.

I agree 100% with Cubsfan that illegal immigrants should not have the ability to participate as voters in government elections...whether they are Federal, State or Municipal.

That being said, all of the major intelligence organizations in the U.S., including CIA, NSA, FBI, Director of National Intelligence, House Intelligence, Senate Intelligence, Justice Department, and Department of Homeland Security all say that Russia is influencing voting in the U.S. I'm sure Cubsfan would agree 100% with the President enacting any and all powers to combat this.

"But between August and October, hackers gained access to emails and a range of campaign files, from policy position papers to travel plans. And we worked closely with the CIA -- with the FBI and the Secret Service and hired security consultants to restore the security of our systems."

Instead of focusing on this:

"In short, America's economic prosperity in the 21st century will depend on cybersecurity."

or this:

"Yet we know that cyber intruders have probed our electrical grid and that in other countries cyber attacks have plunged entire cities into darkness."

or this:

"It's been estimated that last year alone cyber criminals stole intellectual property from businesses worldwide worth up to $1 trillion."

"But between August and October, hackers gained access to emails and a range of campaign files, from policy position papers to travel plans. And we worked closely with the CIA -- with the FBI and the Secret Service and hired security consultants to restore the security of our systems."

Instead of focusing on this:

"In short, America's economic prosperity in the 21st century will depend on cybersecurity."

or this:

"Yet we know that cyber intruders have probed our electrical grid and that in other countries cyber attacks have plunged entire cities into darkness."

or this:

"It's been estimated that last year alone cyber criminals stole intellectual property from businesses worldwide worth up to $1 trillion."

Trump isn't being investigated for his campaign or Hillary's campaign being hacked, but that his campaign committee may have facilitated, organized or conducted meetings with Russian affiliates to influence elections. Cheers!

First thanks for proving my point about illegal immigrants taking more than they contribute. The article that you cited multiple times clearly states: "...members of the first, second, and third generations on average all cost more than they pay..." .

The fact that we all (citizens and illegals) take more than we contribute is cold comfort.

BTW you were confused between SSN filers and TIN filers. You just changed your argument to hide the confusion.

"But between August and October, hackers gained access to emails and a range of campaign files, from policy position papers to travel plans. And we worked closely with the CIA -- with the FBI and the Secret Service and hired security consultants to restore the security of our systems."

Instead of focusing on this:

"In short, America's economic prosperity in the 21st century will depend on cybersecurity."

or this:

"Yet we know that cyber intruders have probed our electrical grid and that in other countries cyber attacks have plunged entire cities into darkness."

or this:

"It's been estimated that last year alone cyber criminals stole intellectual property from businesses worldwide worth up to $1 trillion."

First thanks for proving my point about illegal immigrants taking more than they contribute. The article that you cited multiple times clearly states: "...members of the first, second, and third generations on average all cost more than they pay..." .

The fact that we all (citizens and illegals) take more than we contribute is cold comfort.

BTW you were confused between SSN filers and TIN filers. You just changed your argument to hide the confusion.

Which article is this? The vice article or the politifacts one?

Also, good to know you are either delusional or lack reading comprehension.

If you or I used a made-up SSN and got caught, we would face consequences (I'm assuming you are documented here). But an undocumented immigrant filling out a made-up Social Security Number that doesn't match the name on a job application probably isn't going to be tracked down and punished (outside of losing the job if they are found out).

There a quite a few instances where people with literally nothing to lose do not have the same risk of loss as someone like me, who has a career, a reputation, a credit rating, limits on my liability insurances, etc... I still wouldn't trade places in exchange for those "freedoms" though.

It seems to me that a lot of the anti-illegal immigrant crusaders don't seem to grasp that there is no viable legal path for Central Americans fleeing violence and corruption in their home counties - willing to risk extreme personal danger to try to make it into the USA for a chance at a better life. People are always telling me, "just do it legally and we won't have a problem with you." These are always people who do not know the reality of a Central American literally running for their life. Its not a pleasant, safe, or affordable journey. Think about what would justify such an undesirable and dangerous trip.

Has anyone on this forum ever lost out on a job because an undocumented immigrant was picked over them? I would bet not. But I do see thousands of unfilled jobs in agriculture, truck driving, roofing and virtually every other corner of the construction industry.

Don't fear the brown folks. They just want to support their family, pay their taxes, and be a part of their community. Just like you. (well they may want to pay their taxes more than you, but I don't know that for sure)