Talk:Karl Marx

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I don't even know where to start with this one... did whoever write this article actually read Capital (or any of Marx's works), or is she paraphrasing Wikipedia?

Really, opium was a good thing? That's weird. I thought that statement would imply that religion is a drug that desensitizes people... (In Marx's opinion, of course) I don't know too much about this guy, but from what I've seen, he looks kind of um... whacked. Mskreuz 12:58, 28 June 2007 (EDT)

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Sociologist?

Rob, why do you have a problem with categorizing Marx as a socilogist? Capital goes beyond being an analysis of political economy to an examination of the sociological effects (as Marx understood them) of that political economy. Please discuss. Claude 17:16, 6 December 2007 (EST)

So, Is this the "poor Marx, he was misunderstood by mass murderers" school of logic? We can save ourselves a lot of time and trouble right now. Rob Smith 17:38, 6 December 2007 (EST)

No, it's not - in fact, you can read my comments on that subject on the Main Page talk page, where I clearly disavow those sorts of apologetics. What I'm saying is that one cannot ignore the fact that Marx's work had huge impacts on several fields - 18th Bruimaire is a key historical text, for example - just because one (rightfully) holds communism in low regard. Claude 17:41, 6 December 2007 (EST)

Hitler was a social theoritician too, with about as good a credentials as Marx in the field. Should we put Hitler in Category:Philosphers & Category:Sociologists? Rob Smith 17:45, 6 December 2007 (EST)

You appear to lack fundamental understanding of sociology as a field. Karl Marx was as much a product of his upbringing as you are. For the same reason the students who started this site believe in God, Marx was the person that he was. He is a product of his social interactions, much like the God fearing parents of American youth bring them up with the same beliefs. If you cannot understand such fundamental concepts of sociology, you should avoid editing any related pages. And thank you for invoking Godwin's Law, you only further demonstrate your lack of maturity. --TrueGrit 18:47, 6 December 2007 (EST)

Are people in the academy still writing about his ideas and applying them to new situations as they are the ideas of Marx? Did Hitler's ideas lead to the work of such a large body of scholars such as Marcuse, Gramsci, Habermas, Jameson, CLR James, Padmore, Althuser, Benjamin, Lukacs, Fiske, Zizek, Dobnik, Foucault, Bhaba, Hebdige, Hall, Wallerstein, etc, etc.??? Claude 17:50, 6 December 2007 (EST)

As someone who has a degree in Sociology, I must state that in the field of Sociology we view Marx as one of three formative theorists. Marx works are extensively studied, and his views in respect of Conflict Theory are a major part of Sociological analysis. Rob, you should consider leaving the editing of these sections to people with some knowledge of the issue. Marx is a sociologist, and you cannot deny that fact just because you don't like him. Have you actually studied any of his work? --TrueGrit 18:40, 6 December 2007 (EST)

Study communism?? What are you, a commie?!

Joking aside, I would tentatively stand along the line that most everyone already knows that communism is bad, and that this article should focus a little more on actually explaining the theory behind it (and by extension, why it turned out so bad). Feebasfactor 15:12, 15 December 2007 (EST)

The thesis, antithesis, synthesis idea of the Dialectic is Fichtean in origin, not Hegelian. That description should be removed.

Constructionism

I particularly enjoy adding "Sociologist" to the bottom of this article once a week. Because, every time I have to do it, it reminds me of how much more intelligent I am than the people who remove it. I mean, they've not yet been able to produce a valid argument as to why it shouldn't be included. Please leave the sociology to the people with formal education on the subject. --TrueGrit 19:31, 18 December 2007 (EST)

Dialectics

The thesis, antithesis, synthesis idea of the Dialectic is Fichtean in origin, not Hegelian. That description should be removed.

Life and bibliography

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