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warzon3 wrote:Yes, they need humans to sell the movie to a wider audience, but I think they can make it a little more even. They have the production system in place after 3 movies. The efficency of the special effects could allow for more robot time.

Bay's movies feel like its more a movie about a Boy primarily. Rather than as Transformers movie.

Just look at Transformers Prime and the Character development. They had meaningful back stories or motivations. I know it is just a 2 hour movie, but I wish Bay kind of took a page from them...

Agreed on all points, although I will say this much; IMO, DOTM was a small step in the right direction.

The plot at least gave the Transformers more dpth this time around, featuring Sentinel as a turncoat, and Ironhide's death is done far more meaningfully than, say, the Arcees and Jetfire. While Jetfire's death is technically poignant, I personally felt nothing for his sacrifice. Maybe it's just that I don't like his "old man with Alzheimer's" characterization.

I could well be alone in this, but DOTM seems to feature far more characterization of the bots than the other two movies put together.

Sam's role in this was simply that he wanted to feel important again, while the plot (flawed as it is) developed independently. He makes his own contributions in unraveling the Decepticons' plans, but at least it never focused solely on him. Optimus has his own demons to fight after discovering his mentor's true motives, and even Megatron is trying to come to grips with his failing authority--though sadly these elements weren't very effectively shown on screen (hence, a small step in the right direction).

warzon3 wrote:Yes, they need humans to sell the movie to a wider audience, but I think they can make it a little more even. They have the production system in place after 3 movies. The efficency of the special effects could allow for more robot time.

Bay's movies feel like its more a movie about a Boy primarily. Rather than as Transformers movie.

Just look at Transformers Prime and the Character development. They had meaningful back stories or motivations. I know it is just a 2 hour movie, but I wish Bay kind of took a page from them...

Two problems here:

1. Just because it has more screen time for human characters doesn't mean it isn't a Transformers movie.

2. Bay isn't in charge of characterization. Blame the writers for that.

I think the designs will go in the direction of Gundam. So less milions of tiny parts but more big plates. Like Fall Of Cybertron.

But we do have to remember, Transformers aren't combat suits for humans. Their technology is far superior and all parts have to work kind of organic. Not simple cogs and a few wires.

I agree, you can't put the bots in front, rendering these guys costs way more then an actor.

I have high hopes for the next, DOTM was great imho, (I do focus on the good parts and try to mentally avoid the bad parts). And I gotta say, that was pretty hard in ROTF. Just let the stupid silly bots be handbag sized so they can't do anything relevant in battle. Then again, Brains and Wheely were pretty funny

Hopefully Hasbro will complete the main cast in figures and in good scale, still waiting for DOTM Leader Megatron/Shockwave.

Motto:"I asked Michael why it was easier to train oil drillers to become astronauts than it was to train astronauts to hecome drillers. He told me to STFU, so that...that was the end of that conversation."

Weapon: Gatling Cannon

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:

warzon3 wrote:Yes, they need humans to sell the movie to a wider audience, but I think they can make it a little more even. They have the production system in place after 3 movies. The efficency of the special effects could allow for more robot time.

Bay's movies feel like its more a movie about a Boy primarily. Rather than as Transformers movie.

Just look at Transformers Prime and the Character development. They had meaningful back stories or motivations. I know it is just a 2 hour movie, but I wish Bay kind of took a page from them...

Agreed on all points, although I will say this much; IMO, DOTM was a small step in the right direction.

The plot at least gave the Transformers more dpth this time around, featuring Sentinel as a turncoat, and Ironhide's death is done far more meaningfully than, say, the Arcees and Jetfire. While Jetfire's death is technically poignant, I personally felt nothing for his sacrifice. Maybe it's just that I don't like his "old man with Alzheimer's" characterization.

I could well be alone in this, but DOTM seems to feature far more characterization of the bots than the other two movies put together.

Sam's role in this was simply that he wanted to feel important again, while the plot (flawed as it is) developed independently. He makes his own contributions in unraveling the Decepticons' plans, but at least it never focused solely on him. Optimus has his own demons to fight after discovering his mentor's true motives, and even Megatron is trying to come to grips with his failing authority--though sadly these elements weren't very effectively shown on screen (hence, a small step in the right direction).

This summarizes my feelings perfectly. DOTM was one giant leap in the wanton destruction of Chicago...one small step in the right direction. I just take 'em for what they are.

Michael Bay is a talentless moron that needs a severe beating! His Bayformers Movies are garbage and have nothing to do with Transformers. I am sick and tired of seeing this moron screw up something that I hold dear to me and my 80's childhood. This clown has destroyed anything good from the franchise and to take "Creative design" to the Transformers is nothing to be pleased about! Sorry, but Hasbro and Bayformers will not get any money from me! G1 all the way!

What if the reason the GIJoe movie got pushed back was because it hints at a crossover and they wanted it to be secret longer? D: If so, mind blown. Kill me now so I can't have my high hopes dashed, please.

I just want the movies to be good i promised my little brother i would see them 12 hours before he died. And my god they were horrific ok i admit i enjoyed the 1st one but that was more nostalgia than anything.the only reason i saw the last two were hope thay were good and a promise that i would.

Motto:"I asked Michael why it was easier to train oil drillers to become astronauts than it was to train astronauts to hecome drillers. He told me to STFU, so that...that was the end of that conversation."

Weapon: Gatling Cannon

Look on the bright side: at least they can't possibly be as bad as Battleship.