_________________The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

I also proposed this one for a laugh because I hate the way public bodies use the word 'inappropriate' the whole time. This HMG website is a good example.

On the appropriate /inappropriate word use - as seen on Gov't forms "delete as inappropriate" -an old mate of mine used to joke that that's what he did - and he deleted the words "as inappropriate" --as a point . Made sense to me - as another who likes to mess up the system . But looking at the Sun web pages ,simply because today JC had a good column on his pet things he's like to get removed .

And one that might get a lot of votes , UK LTD is in financial trouble - yet messrs Clegg and the Demopratts want to push on with a referendum on voting changes, costing ( on one quote ) £80M

As a motorist , if I'm having money problems , coming up to a MOT ,and needing new tyres - do I plump for a new Sat nav , or budget tyres ?

We've ditched ( IMHO) MPs who live today on tomorrows earnings , or so I thought .

Time ( IMHO) TO ADD FINANCIAL responsibility to the equation .

_________________lets bring sanity back to speed limits.Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Joking apart, this is a golden opprtunity to speak directly to government. They're actually asking us directly what laws we want repealing. There's pages of ideas about motoring law from randoms, and one troll that needs fighting.

(I should point out I've not been over there this AM as I am pretending to be at work, so apols if things have changed)

But there's an awful lot of people on there who AFAIK aren't members of Safespeed proposing things that we would agree with. They may not even know Safespeed exist. They may join SS if we were described to them in terms other than ASENNA's.

But instead of us using this as an opportunity (a) to reach out to new people and (b) influence government policy (they've actually asked us what we think so why not tell them?), everyone's just sitting on their hands and letting Spindrift/ASENNA divert the debate.

Apathy or cynical resignation? I don't think the phrase is important; the end result will be the same. A cynically resigned campaigning organisation ignoring an opportunity like this deserves the results it achieves.

And no, I'm not suggesting that specific people (e.g. Claire) spend all their time on there, but if we [url]all[/url]went over, clicked on the 'motoring' tab and rated and commented on a few threads, I think we would be doing our bit to campaign for what we have all come together here to talk about.

This won't have a jot of negative influence on road safety, and it's 35 employees of the pseudo state we could easily do without. I'd rather have 35 more police or nurses than safety camera partnership staff any day of the week.

They could start by getting rid of the PR dept that get stuff like this in the news.

Swindon Council leader Rod Bluh said: “We took the decision because it was quite clear from the government’s own information and Department of Transport figures that speed is not the major cause of accidents.

“Thus far we have been vindicated by the results and I would support the comments made by the chief executive of the TaxPayers’ Alliance.”

In August it will be a year since the cameras were scrapped in Swindon and Coun Bluh said the last figures he had seen had shown there had been no increase in accidents since then.

OOHs, edit - missed this bit "The TaxPayers’ Alliance chief executive Matthew Elliott said: “Motorists have long suspected that speed cameras are more about raising money than keeping the roads safe.

“These findings show that the state has been squeezing a fortune out of people using these cameras, but if anything the rate of reduction in casualty numbers has slowed.

“The whole country should follow the example of Swindon, which has scrapped cameras altogether. People are sick of being fined under the guise of road safety." ( my bold/large).

Perhaps another follow up by the SS PR DEPARTMENT - ( AND I HOPE WE HAVE ONE ),OR IF NOT - MODS- TIME TO GET ARSES OF SEATS AND ONTO GEAR AND GET ONE .

_________________lets bring sanity back to speed limits.Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

They are the people who produced the recent report on our 10 most dangerous roads. Great quote on page 1.

Quote:

Consultation with road authorities on improvements show that simple, relatively inexpensive engineering measures are paying dividends, contributing to more than 70% fewer fatal and serious collision in the last three years on the top ten roads listed. Improvements to signing and markings, resurfacing, particularly the use of high-friction anti-skid treatments, and the layout and signing of junctions are common.

I am not sure they are right to condemn whole roads ... that seems incorrect. here : http://www.roadsafetyfoundation.com/downloads/Map.pdfSections I can understand but not the whole road. They might label a road a statistical, certain risk but is the whole road bad ? If an accident is all that classes a road as bad what percentage of driver error if any has been taken into consideration ?

I think that considering (some authorities but I assume all) accidents are grid referenced they have the precise locations of all accidents and even which direction or side of the road the incident occurred. (eg here)

They have pinpointed the roads so why not the locations on those roads. Originally cameras could only be located after a fatal accident (granted within variable 100's of meters) but they had to know where those accidents occurred. So it is known, so why be vague here. I dare say they were paid some vast sums of money to do this research so why not be properly thorough ? Did someone just not think to ask or also to provide ?

Otherwise known as Johnnytheboy on the Crapspeed and Pistonknobs website.On both sites his posts are completely ignored by the others , even the boy racers can spot a dead loss when they see one.In one post he claims he is " chasing me all around the Yourfreedom website. "Sadly Johnnytheberk could not chase an arthritic tortoise , either athletically or intellectually. Needless to say he has been convicted for speeding at least once.

And his best contribution ?

"The likes of ASENNA are best beaten be weight of opinion rather than argument (IMHO)."

Not the weight of your opinion mush , yours is about as weighty as a single cell amoeba with all the intellectual clout of a dead sheep.Its a nice day so off you go into the garden to play , mummy will call you in when tea is ready.

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