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BACK TO THE BEGINNING

Its always important to remember what those were saying in the beginning as opposed to what they later would spin. Hear Joe Tacopina in his own words prior to him becoming Joran Van der Sloots’ attorney.

Hear Joe Tacopina do a 180 and actually agree with Red’s point of view regarding the Aruban justice system. Hear Aruban spokes person Steve Cohen agree with Red that the case was blown in the beginning. That is a far cry from what we are hearing today where people are blaming Natalee’s family for the cases failure.

Steve Cohen:Thanks Red, by the way … Red’s been probably one of the best journalists on this whole case through all of it. We have always appreciated having him around and reading what he says.

RED:The outrage that the people have is not, we don’t base it off of an American standard. We base it off of what we have learned what is the Aruban Dutch standard … Its actually a much more easier process because you can arrest someone for suspicion of murder.

Joe Tacopina:Well you know Red raises a good point, if you compare to their standards, the Dutch-Aruban standards, it was blown in that regard because they do have different laws and they do allow you to be detained on suspicion.

Steve Cohen:The misses opportunities happened within the first 48 hours … But I will agree with Red, there is no question that the physical evidence that existed at that point which was critical in solving this case either disappeared or was not there.

Comments

131 Responses to “Natalee Holloway, Back to the Beginning: Court TV Interview 12-23-05 with RED, Joe Tacopina and Steve Cohen”

Angiex911 on
July 9th, 2007 12:28 am

OMG~!! UN REAL Wonder what RU and FOB are gonna think of their hero JOEY T now? LOL
Great video Red and Dugga!!!!
This was worth waking up to see !!

disgustedmom on
July 9th, 2007 12:40 am

If we go back to the beginning we have a stupid kid named Joran who could not possibly have fooled anyone all by himself. He needed daddy. Daddy needed favors called in.

So many mistakes were made by the perps in this case because they were not as smart as they thought they were. For example…

Deepak said the guard Natalee talked to at the HI wore all dark clothing and there was only one. YET, they arrested 2 guards who wore white shirts on the job. Deepak screwed up, yet the cops went ahead with the plan to arrest the 2 they had planned to scapegoat for this all along. I’m just not so sure it was Deepak and Joran who made up the HI lie.

Kat_Gram on
July 9th, 2007 1:18 am

Whatever happened to Steve Cohen ?
I saw a Milk Carton with his picture on it, but nothing since.
Did he go into a protection program ?

dennisintn on
July 9th, 2007 1:39 am

#3, kat, that was too cool. aruba steve is probably doing the same as baghdad bob, his mentor. steve is probably back behind the curtain in the ahata headquarters where he started out. running the aruba branch of the political skunk works organization he works for. i don’t remember the name of the organization but they specialize in working for u.s. political candidates who can win only by destroying the credibility of their opponents.
dennisintn

Cohen, the consummate media whore, is probably selling out to some other bunch of scumbags. There certainly are enough people running for the presidency ….

I don’t understand the comment that the physical evidence “either disappeared or was not there.” That leaves open the possibility that the whole thing never happened, an idea that not even Aruba would advance.

God, I hope I don’t give them ideas ….

DisgustedMom (#2), we know that Beth proved within 48 hours of Natalee’s disappearance that the story the three scumbags gave wasn’t true, couldn’t be true, and was a lie pure and simple. Yet for one week, they were still left free to roam around as they wanted.

Was it only Daddy who tried to steer away the investigation?

Pearl on
July 9th, 2007 7:15 am

Steve Cohen: “The missed opportunities happened within the first 48 hours ….there is no question that the physical evidence that existed at that point which was critical in solving this case either disappeared or was not there.”

I’m beginning to see how it works.

Whenever criminal conduct is involved, the word MISSING gets used.

Natalee is “missing” or, in Arlene’s world: “She just kind of vanished.”

“Evidence is missing.”

Statements made by all the liar criminals are now “missing”.

The blood in the car, seen by the FBI, but handled by the ALE, went “missing”. In some instances, what is missing, gets transformed into other matter: now, it is chocolate and cleaning fluid.

The security surveillance tapes that proved the liars were CRIMINAL liars and their statements were ALL lies, were somehow “MISSED”, to the exclusion of Ms. Janssen SEEING THESE LIES as suggesting, um…some INCONSISTENCIES, to say the least for “the boys” whom Jacobs defended as “all their statements were found to be CONSISTENT” by June 1st, mind you.

The CAR they took Natlaee away in, it just …um…got “MISSED” as a point to search on May 31, at 3 AM in the morning, when Beth begins the investigation for her beloved Natalee, and ALE officials have Charles Croes questioning Joran.

THE HOUSE that ALE officials know Natalee was taken to, (as per Satish’s May 31 statement: “We got bored, and we all decided to go to THE HOUSE.”), just sort of gets “MISSED”, when it comes to drawing up plans for targets to search, and instead the FBI is sent to the “ALLEGRO HOTEL” !

Lie statements are made to the press that the FBI is working closely with our ALE investigators …, only to leave FBI officials to be put in the position of having to correct the MISSING FACTS: “THEY NEVER SET FOOT IN THE WATER”.

Yes, that certainly is an interesting rendition of things getting “MISSED”.

Heck! The only other thing missing in the first 48 hours, is the long noses that started growing immediately on the faces of everyone who attended the “MEETING”, that Paulus was having around his pool, before Beth even arrived at his door step. THAT and the MISSING inquriy by ALE officials as to WHAT EXACTLY M. John meant when he indicated that Deepak told him on June 10, that PAULUS MADE UP THE HOLIDAY INN LIES ABOUT THE BLACK SECURITY GUARD, HIS CLOTHING, AND THE BIG “WE DROPPED HER OFF AT THE HOLIDAY INN” LIE, along with the “RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE HOTEL LOBBY” LIE – to which, ALE officials “MISSED” following up on!

MISSING FROM STEVE COHEN’S VOCABULARY IN REFERENCE TO WHAT HAPPENED DURING THOSE FIRST 48 HOURS: THE WORD CORRUPTION!

mc on
July 9th, 2007 7:24 am

I am not surprised that this crime remains unsolved. Look at our own justice system; Orenthal Simpson, for example.
Found not guilty, to prove a (racial) point on a federal level and guilty on a state level, with no jail time and no monies for the fine ever being paid. (His 25k per month NFL retirement income, is untouchable by the courts)

It really comes down to the people in control and wheither or not they will do the right thing. I the case of Natalee,
the suspects have the inside track because they are “family” to the very system that is responsible for justice. Simple logic points to these 3 suspects over and over, yet the “family” dances, jives and otherwise spins the system to accommidate “family”.

I hope that Natalee Holloway stays in the news for many years to come. Aruba needs to feel this pain from now on.

When I speak to people and say Aruba, they say, “Aruba, isn’t that where that girl was murdered and nothing was done about it?”.
There is your verdict and punishment.

Pearl on
July 9th, 2007 7:42 am

Steve Cohen: The missed opportunities happened within the first 48 hours … But I will agree with Red, there is no question that the physical evidence that existed at that point which was critical in solving this case either disappeared or was not there.

New dialogue for Steve Cohen: The missed integrity by ALE officials and the prosecutor’s office, happened within the first 48 hours – … there is no question that the physical evidence THAT EXISTED AT THAT POINT which was critical in solving this case was allowed to be DESTROYED AND ERASED, INCLUDING THE IMPLEMENTATION OF PAULUS’ “NO CORPSE, NO CASE” INSURANCE SCAM IN ORDER TO OBSTRUCT JUSTICE, AND INSURE THAT NATALEE’S TRUTH IS COVERED UP.

Well, you can bet your bootie, Paulus had his dirty hand in this from the very beginning…starting with the security guards….we have to say you took her back to the hotel, otherwise your guilty of kidnapping….well, they still are!

So many guilty people involved in this…it’s like a chain reaction.

sunnyintx on
July 9th, 2007 8:31 am

WOOHOO!! Way to go Red and Dugga……hope to see more of the ‘lost’……

charlierat on
July 9th, 2007 8:48 am

It was interesting to watch the scroll at the bottom of the screen as it mentioned Spencer Bachus’ comment that he feels better about the investigation after having met with the Aruban delegation.

Red, do you start every sentence with the words, “I mean…”?

____________
SM:
Chuck, still spinning? Truth hurts and jealously is such a terrible trait. The fact that this is what you take from the interview shows just how patheic you truly are. Do not bother to respond as you are a waste of my time. Your spokesperson, Steve Cohen stated that you were to blame, no one else. This was the spokesperson of Aruba.

As we have seen with Aruba, the tendency to re-write history. That may be just what Arlene meant when she said we just don’t understand their system. In hindsight, was she telling us that they also re-write history?

It is what it is…perfume on pigs

Good Job Red and Dugga.

disgustedmom on
July 9th, 2007 11:39 am

Richard, #6
I don’t think it was only Daddy who tried to sway the investigation. However, when I add up in my thoughts all those who ‘helped’ the possibility of an accidental death goes out the window as a reason for Natalee being missing. Joran and Paulus are not that important to rally around. And tourism would not have been affected if it were just one boy causing one problem for one tourist. Rather it would seem Joran was someone’s tool, a means to get young female tourists to some ‘important’ person in some ongoing island thing.

I should add though, that I personally don’t think any important person engaging in enticing tourist girls away would trust Joran Van der Sloot. It would seem more believable that Joran thought he could work his way into a profitable industry and voluntarily tried to play the game.

And when I think about that, I recall a psychic saying what happened to Natalee had happened to other girls via a group of men to which Joran’s participation was new…his first time.

mishy on
July 9th, 2007 11:55 am

Great work guys! Wonder if Cohen was disappeared by those who disappeared Natalee? With statements like these, ya have to wonder…

It would take one good lawyer, familiar with Aruban and Dutch laws, licensed to practice there, to put them all behind bars, serve justice for Natalee and sue for the gusto! After Oduber, Straaten, Croes and Janseen serve their time, if there parolled, ship ‘em to Chavetz. Paulus, Joran and Kalpoes can die in prison. Anita isn’t a welcomed schoolteacher now, so she’ll just move on, unless arrested, and try to salvage what’s left of her younger boys.

Vicki on
July 9th, 2007 12:08 pm

Natalee, you look so beautiful in this picture. So happy and carefree, like your freebird. Look at the three INNOCENT faces of these girls that have been together for 10 years…this is so HORRIBLE that words cannot express how I feel. LIERUBA is SATANS place and it is FULL of DEMONS and it is so scary that everyone needs to know this.If you tell one person a day,think that in a year, you will have told 365 ppl who will then tell more ppl and before you know it, the world will be educated on the PITFALLS of going to a place that turns their back on what is MORALLY the right and ONLY thing to do.

JusticeforNatalee on
July 9th, 2007 12:11 pm

Julia and Angela:

Your BIG LEAD BALLOON aka the Amigoe article is NOT FLYING.

disgustedmom on
July 9th, 2007 12:18 pm

When I think of the possibility that Joran may have been voluntarily engaging in a game he didn’t quite know how to play, it makes me wonder if the ‘last night’ of a tourist’s stay was the real way the game is played. I mean, it makes better sense to do this before the last night so the girl is on the island should she complain so they can wash it all away and any proof of drugs or rape would be under their direct control. And when we’ve heard so much about ALE etc saying Natalee will turn up in a couple days; it happens all the time, then it would seem that ‘what happens all the time’ happens within a time frame that allows the victim to find her way back to her hotel before her planned stay is over and before anyone has reason to worry that she missed her flight home and make a stink over it.

Now, you take that it was reported that Natalee was so messed up Saturday night that she had to be helped back to the HI and that makes me wonder if someone -perhaps someone other than Joran even- had attempted to get the selected ‘mark’ on that night and failed because her friends stepped in. Is it possible Natalee was drugged the night before? I don’t think it’s unbelievable that the Mbies would assume Natalee -who was unfamiliar with drinking- might have simple over done it, especially if she’d had a ‘shot’ or two. Once the game failed on Saturday, Joran -being unfamiliar with the game but thinking he knows it all- tries to deliver the next night and prove he’s cool to the big boys. But there are no takers because it’s the wrong night, and Joran is left holding the bag as if this were all about Joran habitually wanting a one night stand even though he has so many girlfriends whom he seems concerned about pizzing off.

The coverup then would involve NOT Joran and his stupid personal ambitions to score with a tourist, but others much more important than he wanting the same. Joran would have to take the fall, but not be convicted or else he could ‘tell the whole story’. And add to that what Joran said, if he had not sneaked out that night “this would not have happened to me, it would have happened to someone else”…which I interpret to mean Natalee was marked to be brought to someone and if he hadn’t abducted her someone else would have.

Whatever, I have this divergent thinking thing that keeps me looking outside the box for things not yet talked about. I’m sure the theory is full of holes, but if you take what we have seen behavior-wise in this case it seems clearly this is not about some simple moron Joran who could be convicted of so much even though Natalee has not been found, yet he hasn’t, so it makes sense to theorize that something much deeper is going on.

Abbey on
July 9th, 2007 1:25 pm

Ted Kennedy never spent any time in jail, no charges, no trial was that fair to Mary-Jo’s family? I think not, Michael Skakel was free for 25 years befor he went to trial. Ted Kennedy left a woman to drown in a car and went home and never tried to get any help but it seems that must be ok cause he is now a senator. That kind of thing is wrong when it happens some where else, but is ok when it happens in your country,how pathetic. Aruba hasn’t done anything that hasn’t already been done in the good ole USA. Calling people names and making fun of them doesn’t solve anything and if that is what makes you feel good you have problems that need help.

When Teddy boy did what he did, there were plenty of people who were outraged, and it’s not right he got away with it and still has all the political clout he has (not in my part of the world). If there had been the Internet back then, I think just maybe Ted would have warmed the inside of a jail cell for at least one night. I won’t say what my Dad always, and to this day says about ted kennedy ( all small for lack of respect).

This was 2005, and you would think that the sloots would not have been able to pull a Kennedy, but maybe in their part of the world Joran is a modern day Ted Kennedy. What horrors we have to look forward to if this is the case.

“This is a murder investigation because I know the facts/evidence and you don’t”

“The suspect confessed and is leading the ALE to the body”

As far as Mr. Skakel, it was always a murder investigation, no one ever claimed it wasn’t the police were not involved in a cover up.

Teddy Kennedy and Mary Joe, you can’t even compare that to what happened to Natalee. Kennedy is guilty of being an whimp for getting himself out of the car and not getting help. Did he murder her? She drowned. We all know the details of the case….

joe bear on
July 9th, 2007 2:42 pm

I think Ted pled out to a lesser charge,and skankel has gone to jail now.Number 24,some of us do care here and their.Yes,aruba hsa hidden the truth and the body.Explain that

mayan_moons on
July 9th, 2007 3:00 pm

Ted Kennedy is an embarrassment and a disgrace but get this straight for once will ya. The whole country didn’t say it was ok with the way he escaped the sinking car and left the scene. The whole country didn’t elect him to and kept him in the senate, the people of his state did ok. You should educate yourselves before you make rediculous statements like that.

As for OJ, the police DID THEIR JOBS unlike Aruba and it was an all black jury except for one who dismissed the mountain of evidence against him & invoked jury nullification coz they couldn’t stand the thought that a black man who was loved by American’s black and white fall from grace. To the jury it was payback to the system and they didn’t care about anything else.

Using these examples in trying to excuse what Jurine & Paul did isn’t a good arguement as you are in effect conceding that Jip & paul are guilty but because these 2 men got off then father & son should walk away from what they’ve done.

Vicki on
July 9th, 2007 3:03 pm

who is name calling?#24???certainly not me…I call it as I see it,Ted Kennedy??are you kidding? He has no soul..and we all know what his “life” has been like…abbey, if you know what happened say so..otherwise please move on to a hate site or something..as this blog is for Natalee.

DisgustedMom (23), remember too that Paulus van der Sloot had been told before Natalee even landed on Aruba that he wasn’t going to get the judgeship he wanted. (This is according to that huge timeline, which I’ve read but have forgotten the compiler’s name.)

So if From the Ditch failed in that regard, it seems to me a bit of a stretch to think that he could bamboozle or intimidate all the powers of Aruba into covering up for his son and the other two scum last seen with Natalee.

But one thing strikes me in what you say … if Natalee had been sick/drugged the night before, it seems hard to think that she would be hitting the bottle the very next night, at least not to the extent that some would have us believe.

I can attest from my own (very rare, of course!) experiences as a teen with … um … over-imbibing. When it happened, I wasn’t up and active the next night, and certainly wasn’t even looking at a bottle.

That psychic show gave us (or some people, anyway) the impression that Natalee liked to get off on her own from time to time. And we should remember, there was a festival on Aruba when she vanished … lots of boats, some of which were presumably people selling illegal substances.

Lots of scum looking around.

And with a boat, they’d have a place to bring her and an easy retreat….

My point in the above comment about Natalee liking to go off on her own from time to time … is it possible that someone was with Joran and some of the “Pimps” and happened to see her? And talk developed, and went on from there ….

Maggie on
July 9th, 2007 3:48 pm

I posted on another thread about Arlene Shippers with this big line of bull too about having to reinterview the MB students so they could make a plan to re-interrogate the 3 suspects and told that to the Congressman when they came to the USA, knowing all along, they weren’t and couldn’t re-interrogate these 3. Steve Cohen was cornered on one of the news shows over this. It’s amazing reading and seeing these old interviews and transcripts at the total game plan of doing anything and everything to keep this already tormented family on a roller coaster. Paid liars.

I read awhile back that Steve Cohen is now working for someone in the USA for some company, but can’t remember what it was.

One example was viet vets post that he and Jug and Beth and friends were told by Straten wearing a gun, don’t go near J2K, look in crackhouses. Jacobs came wearing a gun and told them the same thing. First off with the FBI at your disposal, why in the world would you send a victim’s family and friends into crackhouses to face that kind of danger? There was not one iota of evidence Natalee was a crackhead.
Second off Dave and his group were sent to crackhouses and in detail he tells suspicious things going on around them. Again his family is in harms way in crackhouses when the FBI could bring in trained people to handle that. Meanwhile Beth saw Natalee didn’t return on June 2nd and the cops focused on these 2 security guards knowing Natalee never even came back to the Holiday Inn at the front and was approached by 2 black guards. Holiday Inn guards do not dress in black clothing. Cops knew that too. Still they went out at dawn and arrested them and searched their homes. Still no search for 9 days of the homes of the last known 3 with Natalee, their bodies, their clothing, their cars, nada.. Anything to get the attention off these 3, now tell me that isn’t a plan. Furthermore a newspaper worker and restaurant owner is leading Natalee’s family on wild goose chases, screening calls or sightings and the FBI wasn’t even allowed to come in. Why in the world would they be in charge of screening calls that should’ve went to the police? Coverups?.. Where were all these people when a father is digging in 100 plus heat looking for his child? Why not let the FBI bring people in to do that?

I’m just glad that I haven’t had to see Joe T for awhile on tv. He’s contradicted his own client more than once. Didn’t see any lawsuits against Jossy either when Joe remarked about lies Jossy was printing about Joran and his past.

This is one of the worst violations of a human’s rights. Not one of them have ever been for justice for Natalee. Sick twisted people tormenting the victims over and over. Then we have the main suspect being paraded around for interviews with his convuluted bs and lies time after time. Then they have the nerve to question a boycott? Why would anyone not advise someone not to go to a place like that?

Steve Cohen’s remark about Natalee’s family was educated, etc. which isn’t normal. What he meant is they been snowballing other victim’s for years because they weren’t as educated and didn’t have the finances. Natalee and her family shined a big bright light on exactly what was going on and they couldn’t deal with that.

Great Job guys with the video.

You got a problem with Ted Kennedy’s verdict start a blog. Got a problem with Oj’s verdict. start a blog. This category says Natalee Holloway on it and we are all here for Justice for Natalee. OJ simpson was found liable for a double homicide and fined upwards of 33 million. Ted Kennedy was fined and got probation. Joran VDS got lots of interviews with a new set of lies each time.A book. The Kalpoes trying to make millions on it. His big lie that Greta offered him over a million to talk on that tape. Right! Trying to write a book and told Larry Garrison he would but he wouldn’t talk about Natalee because noone gives a damn about her. Even tried to sue the govt for money. They put Aruba where it is, not anyone on this blog.

Jodi on
July 9th, 2007 4:11 pm

You are right about one thing Abbey…Aruba didn’t do anything. If Aruba had done something, we would not be here dicussing this horrific tradgey. If Aruba would have stepped up to the plate and perfomed a real investigation then Natalee’s family would have been able to bring her home and lay her to rest.

The difference in Aruba and the United States is that we don’t depend on tourist dollars to survive or falsely claim to be a safe place for tourists to visit. We do not lie about our crime rates to entice people to come here like Aruba does.

I think it’s safe to say that you are the one who has problems and needs help. Why don’t you spend a little time reading and absorbing the truths posted here instead of wasting time posting your ridiculous comments? These are a brilliant group of fastidious monkeys and who will continue to pray for JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!

Susan on
July 9th, 2007 4:12 pm

24 – Abbey, Kennedy is a cold blooded murderer, just like Joran, Paulass, Deepak, and Satish. What Kennedy did was dead wrong, as well as the above mentioned perps in Natalee’s case. No, it wasn’t fair to Kennedy’s victim and her family, no more than it is to Natalee and hers. No, it’s not OK for an “injustice” to happen anywhere in the world. Kennedy had/has connections, just like Paulass Van der Slut.

#24…hey scabby abbey…hmmm…that felt good! Why don’t you direct your statement to Julia…she said she wanted to choke the bitch…referring to Beth because she was working with the pre-school children making bracelets for Natalee

Joran..”Fok der Bitch”
Joran..every other word out his mouth is f~~k you…

WASHINGTON – Colombian rebel leader Ricardo Palmera was convicted Monday of helping hold three Americans hostage for years in jungle prison camps. He is the only person ever found responsible for their capture.

Palmera, who is better known by his nom de guerre, Simon Trinidad, is the most senior commander ever captured from Latin America’s largest rebel group. He was extradited to the United States in 2004 and charged with hostage and terrorism charges.

Palmera is a senior member of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC. The force of about 12,000 fighters has battled the Colombian government for four decades and the U.S. government considers it a terrorist organization and a drug cartel.

While jurors found Palmera guilty of conspiracy to commit hostage-taking, they were split over whether to convict him of supporting terrorism. A federal judge sent them back to keep deliberating that charge and three counts of actual hostage-taking.

The three Americans – Marc Gonsalves, Thomas Howes and Keith Stansell – were civilian Pentagon contractors flying a surveillance mission over the Colombian jungle when their plane crashed in 2003 in a rebel stronghold. They were taken hostage and were most recently seen in late April.

Palmera denied ever seeing the three men but acknowledged serving as a negotiator to try to force a prisoner swap. He stood expressionless as the jury foreman read the verdict.

Neither Palmera’s attorney nor the Justice Department commented on the conviction because the jury continued to deliberate the other counts.

The jury is split over whether Palmera actually held the three men hostage and whether that was in support of a terrorist organization. Though prosecutors repeatedly referred to the FARC rebels as terrorists, Palmera described the organization as a legitimate military organization and compared the dispute to the U.S. Civil War.

Gonsalves’ mother, Jo Rosano, said she worried that the conviction would make it harder to win the hostages’ release. She supports negotiating with the rebels for a prisoner exchange, something the government has refused.

“Most countries hate America. This will only make it worse,” she said.

Palmera’s first trial ended in November with a hung jury. The Justice Department immediately brought the charges again. He faces up to 30 years in prison and is awaiting trial on drug charges once this case is complete.

Richard: Sorry to hear about your brother: He and your family are in our prayers.
Sorry that I missed your post: My wife and I took a short cruise to Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada and just returned. Met a lot of people on the cruise that refuse to go back to Aruba.
The Canadians as always were extremely hospitable.
Much needed and much enjoyed cruise.

Brendon Dunn on
July 9th, 2007 5:36 pm

#34.
Hi Susan. So now J,P,D and S are all cold blooded killers? While they even weren’t at the same time at the same location. Accurate conclusion Sherlock! And we have to boycott Holland now as well?

Seriously, do you really believe you cover-up theory with the involvement of about 20 people? In that case one of these people would have come forward with details a long time ago, since half of the people you name are dismissed, retired or into a fight with eachother at the moment.

Better focus on the relevant facts and questions to solve this crime. For example:

- Joran got rid of his shoes. But does anybody know if his clothes of that Sunday night are still around. Were these examined?
- Did Joran ever explain why he used internet till 5am in the morning on Monday, although he had to take an exam in the morning, which he claimed was the reason to leave Natalee at already 02.30am?
- I still didnt find a final statements concerning the whereabouts of Joran on the following Monday. At one time he claim to be at the tennisclub at 5pm, in another statement he mentions 6pm. So, that gives him one extra hour in which he visits the surrounding of the beach (to look for his shoes, as he claimed)
- Have video tapes of the casino been found of the poker tounament at Monday 7 pm in which Joran claimed to have participated?
- Was he wearing shoes or flip-flops at that occasion?
- Is the video tape of the hotel lobby of Monday morning 02.30 (with alledged footage of Natalee) still available?

Finally, in my opinion there is no point in confronting Jorian with his lies in an interiew. He is a professional liar and at this point of time he had a long time to create his truth and probably actually started to believes this. He won’t give us the desired answers and he loves the media attention.

We better focus on haunting Deepak and Satish. Instead of boycotting Aruba i suggest that every tourist that will visit Aruba has to look up D and S at their work and confront them with all their lies. These F*#^ers will definately break!

disgustedmom on
July 9th, 2007 5:36 pm

#30, I don’t think From the Ditch has the clout to get anyone to help him do squat either. I think rather he’s seen as a tool just like his son is.

Good point about not being so ready to drink heavily again right after having done it just the night before to where you need help. What ARE the after effects of GHB? Would a person feel bad the next day like they would if they had been soused on booze? I’m no expert on drugs, but I don’t think you suffer the same consequences the next day as you do with over-drinking. I’d sure be interested to hear from some MBie just how Natalee was feeling the next morning. If she was feeling fine, chances are she was drugged the night before.

Does anyone recall what bar Natalee was in when GVC violated her space?

Ted Kennedy drove drunk and rolled the car into the drink,
it was an accident. He was drunker than Otis, & higher
than a darn kite.

(I think Ted Kennedy is piece of hit.)

…but is has zilch to do with Aruba, or their murdering,
gang-raping, serial lying Van der sloot and Kalpoe
families.

Apple v Orange

-j4n

Susan on
July 9th, 2007 6:21 pm

Oh yeah, I remember the questioning that NEVER HAPPENED when Urine came home on Christmas vacation. Joe Taco Pineapple and Steve Cohen are pansies for Aruba, the poverty stricken, drug infested, third world cesspool!! We haven’t heard much from either of the creeps lately…

He’s inocent!!!My son Urine is incent!!!Inocent of hiding her body I did that for him.

Susan on
July 9th, 2007 7:16 pm

#42 – Brendon,

Yes, I truly believe that Urine, Paulass, Dipchit and Satan are cold blooded killers. It’s a documented fact that, yes, Urine, Dipchit and Satan were the last three people known to ever see Natalee alive. What happened after they left Carlos and Charlie’s and who all was involved is yet to be seen.

As far as answering the rest of your questions, I can’t, but the crooked Keystone Koppers in Aruba and the perps can…

BTW, I never said I was a detective. Whether or not you support the boycott of Aruba is your choice. Since Urine is from Holland I threw Holland in there for good measure.

BOYCOTT ARUBA AND HOLLAND!!

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

anita van der snott on
July 9th, 2007 7:28 pm

Now Father of our delicious sporter I’m going to have to tap your fingers!

Joran’s pedophile, corpse mover of a father spreading
rumors that Natalee was seen partying around town…

All that stuff was brain cancer spewed by Paulus
and Joran Van der sloot. Or as I like to call
those 2 uber-poozles,

“MURDER INCORPORATED”

They were getting play by play reports
of what the A.L.E. would be doing
next. This is what happens when the criminal
works in the prosecution building.

-cart blanche access to each police report-

The constant tweaking of the story up and down.
(2o+lies / four MAJOR story changes – entirely
different stories of what transpired that night.)

The object of the game was to create
as much confusion as possible. To swamp
the case in speculation quick sand.

Peter DeVries said it… (and it is so true)

Everytime we pop Joran at lying, he springs forth
with a new reality, and changes up stories. SLOOT
is a sickness.

Think about it this way, anywhere
he goes now, people are totally aware of who
he is and what he has done. Everybody is acutely aware
of who he is, and the fact that he raped and killed
Natalee Holloway. Joran has the mark of Cain on his head.

Everyday for Joran is now Hell on Earth. This will
last a heck of a lot longer than any Fisher Price
ARUBAN KANGAROO COURT would give him.

Joran Van der sloot is now scarred for life.

He is ‘damaged goods.’ I don’t think any female
would want him now… well, maybe John Karr’s girl
would, she’s single again.

-j4n

disgustedmom on
July 9th, 2007 7:40 pm

The women in Aruba rule the men. The men are still little boys because they are treated like little boys because the women don’t know what a man is. The women think being a man is when you get pubes. The men too think manhood is some automatic thing that comes with physical body changes. The women are control freaks and men behave only when the women are watching…just like little kids do. As a result these men don’t like women. They especially don’t like their own women who make them feel like little boys. The rest is history.

My appologies to any real men and women of Aruba.

KrisG on
July 9th, 2007 8:01 pm

Thank you, Red, for refreshing our memories of this Court TV interview. Steve Cohen and Arlene Shippers should be ashamed to show their faces, kinda hard in their line of work.

Anyway, off the subject, I rec’d a phone call today from a woman at Texas Equusearch saying that the T-shirts are ready to mail, but Tim Miller is out of town so they’re waiting for him to come back and sign the photos that he’s sending out with the T-shirts. It was nice of her to call. I asked if Tim will be headed back to Aruba and she said definitely. They just have some loose ends to tie up before going. I wonder if he is in Wisconsin looking for the coed that went missing. I heard on TV this afternoon that a body has been found. Not saying if it’s her or not.

Maggie on
July 9th, 2007 8:28 pm

Kris, I had message from them on my answering machine when I came home today saying much the same thing. Last I knew Tim was in Florida helping look for Stepha Henry, (hope I spelled that right)

I read they are saying that is probably the missing girl they found today. Something about a cellphone gave them clues to look in that area. It said over 100 police showed up , local and surrounding cities to look for her. They did say it was a homicide.

Mary Ann on
July 9th, 2007 8:43 pm

You people are indeed sick! You don’t have any idea what happened to Natalee. You are obsessed with pinning her disappearance on Aruba. Maybe you should be looking at what happens to many stupid girls like Natalee who seem to have no reason for what they do. Aruba is no more responsible them Massachusetts in Ted Kennedys actions. If an individual acts alone then maybe they are only one responsible.
When are you going to focus on whats happening in todays world. We have people bombing innocents and killing hundreds and you are still focused on one girl who acted with disreguard for her own life. Aruba will definitly survive this and she is going forward with great her future. I think this site should be getting their act together and behaving in a responsible manner and focusing on the future instead of the past. There is nothing that you can do about the past.

__________
SM: Keep living in fantasy land … I guess it would be different if you actually cared that a person went missing and was covered up. Wonder how you would act if they were related to you. Unfortunately you are a selfish individual.

“If an individual acts alone then maybe they are only one responsible”.

And if they are drugged, gang raped and then murdered, is that their fault too?

Again, the trolls are out which means more hits on Aruba’s tourism! Fantastic. One can tell by the number of trolls just what to expect in the next set of fantasy numbers Aruba will put forth. It’s for certain that they would never have written just a dumb, idiotic article as what appeared in Aruba Today if they weren’t absolutely desperate.

Well guess what! Americans are not coming to Aruba. Americans can see right through Aruba’s idiotic trolls, articles and blame came.

Americans: stay away from one crappy little island. Death and destruction as a vacation? I think not. Don’t visit Aruba Hotels, stay away from Aruba Restaurants, don’t take vacations on Aruba.

Mary Ann- First off, you didn’t comment on any of the facts SM posted. Innocent people in the Middle East, are being bombed and beheaded, Darfur and most of Southern Africa is in hell, due to how the rest of the world does hardly anything to assist them, and only a few people cover that.

Holloway is a very sad case, all of you are correct when you say that. However, in the first few months of the case, the coverage and the attention was insane, obviously more important then the majority of other missing person cases, and of course the news that actually effects us.

You know what the media should be focusing on. How to stay safe when traveling to any foreign country, and who runs something that try’s to teach that to people……Beth Twitty. The whole concept of staying safe when traveling to a foreign country, is way more important then this case. Maybe not so to the family, but this case and most other missing person cases are not news. And people who want to keep this case in this story, should focus on the efforts of ISTF.

SM makes a ton of sense, I don’t see how he’s a selfish individual.

Derek on
July 9th, 2007 9:20 pm

Also I find it insane, that every time somebody comes here with a opinion that is different from the majority here, they are called a troll, or a Aruban Troll.

First off, I doubt many that come here are from Aruba in the first place. You can have a different opinion on these issues, you don’t have to have the same thoughts as everyone else.

_________
SM: Cry me a river Derek ,,,, Welcome to the internet!

GEEZ … like the blogosphere is not opinionated and generally takes a slant ,,, THIS IS A VICTIMS RIGHTS SITE .,.. You know that coming into it. Comment at your own risk.

We don’t really care what you think about this site….obviously you’re not here for the right reason

Address Joran if you want to know about focus…twitch!

Derek on
July 9th, 2007 9:54 pm

I have no plans for addressing Joran for anything.

And I haven’t even commented on Aruba at all. I am here, cause I like to comment on issues of the day.

Now when you say that you can’t be safe at all when you visit Aruba, you are incorrect. It’s been more than 2 years since Holloway went missing, can somebody please tell me another person that has gone missing on the island, between then and now.

It doesn’t matter, that you don’t care what you think. In fact, reality is, that not everyone will care what you think. You have your opinions, I have mine. And I fail to see why I’m not here for the right reason.

I heard the story told by a kid who took Joran “Snipe” hunting when he was about 14 years old. They gave him a flashlight, a stick, a bag for the snipe; and blindfolded him. They took him to the most remote part of the island, and then one by one left him all alone to find his own way home.

The next day a school, everyone was asking Joran how his snipe hunt went. “It was fun.” He replied. “Would you like to do it again tonight?” They ask. “Sure thing,” he replied.

This went on every night for two weeks, and finally Joran said, “I don’t think there are very many snipes on the island, cause I haven’t caught one yet, and I think I would rather stay at home tonight and play with my little skittlebobber.”

Hey delerict,…you say, the coverage and the attention was insane…no, the investigation, cover-up and lack of their attention…was insane

Natalee Holloway, our missing American, can be our poster child as a reminder to everyone to exercise safety and caution. Natalee’s case, a true story, will be our example of the unjust that lies in the world. The predators, the kidnappers, the murderers.

Any missing person is news…but never in the history of any missing person has any case known of the guilty and seen the corruption and cover-up.

……..
“You people are indeed sick! You don’t have any idea what happened to Natalee. You are obsessed with pinning her disappearance on Aruba.”
…….

If you enflamed a-holes had a clue, you would get

out of the way…. and give up that murdering piece of shit.

NOBODY WANTS ARUBA, THEY WANT THE TRUTH, AND JORAN
KNOWS IT… SO DOES HIS PEDOPHILE OF A FATHER.

(Joran Van der sloot – murderer of Natalee Holloway)

This has never been about Aruba, this always has been

about a young man who wouldn’t know the truth

if it walked right up to him and gave him

a solid karate chp in the toolbag!

Aruba, step aside, and let’s start all over
with a reset button, and bring in that serial
lying, rapist of a carnivore, Joran
to get some answers!!!!

THE SOONER ARUBA REALIZES THIS,

THE FASTER THEY WILL

STOP GETTING IT IN THE OIL CAN.

hammer on
July 9th, 2007 10:53 pm

#63

SERIAL RAPIST ON THE LOOSE.

Want the proof?

.

Allan K on
July 9th, 2007 11:15 pm

A 16-year-old girl has told police she was drugged and raped at . TOCjav’s Hottest
a party by Joran van der Sloot – heightening fears for the Gossio
nightmarish last moments of missing Alabama teen Natalee
Holloway.
And The National Enquirer has learned that the girl’s evidence is likely to prevent Van der
Sloot’s release from prison in Aruba.
Investigators were stunned by the story the teenager finally poured out on August 25 after
months of soul searching.
The new witness’ identity is being closely guarded but we have learned that she’s a slim,
popular, above-average student at a public school and lives in a middle class
neighborhood close to Oranjestad, the Caribbean island’s capital.
Her ordeal began, she claimed, this spring in a private home at a party attended by Joran
and his friends.
“Many of the youngsters were drinking,” revealed an insider. “Toward the end of the
evening, the 16-year-old suddenly felt woozy. From her description, investigators believe
that a date rape drug or maybe Ecstasy was slipped into her drink.
“She passed out and the next thing she claims to remember is coming back to
consciousness and realizing she was being sexually assaulted by Joran.”
The drug detail is particularly telling because cops believe that Natalee, 18, was also
slipped Ecstasy or a similar drug before she left a nightclub on May 30 with Joran and two
friends.
Former U.S. Secret Service agent Arthur Wood, who’s been working unofficially on the
case with Aruban authorities, told The National Enquirer. “The girl went to a police station
and reported the alleged attack afterward… but apparently no action was taken.
1 of 2 9/5/2005 12:14 AM

Natalee is one of our own and we’re going to fight for her just as you protect Jurine. Knowing all we know about you aruba we can’t let go of this….if we do its as good as condoning what Aruban locals did to Natalee. Thats NEVER gonna happen.

EVER!~

mayan_moons on
July 9th, 2007 11:32 pm

The pickings are slim these days and many many many more days to come, when you’ll only have eachother to prey on and start picking one another off.

minnesota dad on
July 9th, 2007 11:56 pm

Hi folks…been gone for a week. Decided to take Yoyo Muffintops advice and go canoeing up north.

Anyhow. Theories…all sorts of theories…
Paulus Van Der Sloot is your perp. Screw all of the theories.
ARUBAN INVESTIGATORS FAILED TO DEVELOP A TIMELINE (we know he was out at 4 am!)
ARUBAN INVESTIGATORS FAILED TO SERIOUSLY QUESTION HIM
ARUBAN INVESTIGATORS HAVE LOST HIS 6/16 WITNESS STATEMENT
ARUBAN JUDGES and JUSTICE OFFICIALS AMENDED A SEARCH WARRANT TO PROTECT PAULUS
ARUBAN JUDGES WROTE ORDERS TO BENEFIT PAULUS (and his spawn too!).
ARUBAN JUSTICE OFFICIAL PROVIDED A LETTER TO PAULUS STATING HE WAS NO LONGER A SUSPECT WHILE NOT PROVIDING THE SAME COURTESY TO THE TWO BLACK GUYS ARUBA WAS TRYING TO FRAME.

You will note that while there is discussion of Joran on here you get the AHATA trolls. You will also not that whenever PAULUS is brought up…the AHATA trolls disappear. Why would they want to keep the focus on Joran and ignore Paulus???

Me thinks Paulus is the guy ARUBA and the KLPD aren’t touching….yet he is the perp.

md

minnesota dad on
July 10th, 2007 12:18 am

Pretty interesting….Joe Tacopino implies that all physical evidence has most likely disappeared and the case will never be solved.

Yep….someone disappeared it all. Come on KLPD….how is that investigation of the cover-up going….oh, that’s right, you are just reviewing the ‘evidence’ regarding the case and not the cover-up.

ahh…I sense a wee bit of jealousy maybe? It obviously would have been wiser for the Holloway/Twittys to have hired Joe T instead of JQK.
Joe T =results
JQK =0-2

USA Today 7/7/05:
Meanwhile, FBI agents have been dispatched, as have cadaver dog teams from Texas, and a psychic; this week, U.S. Sen. Richard Shelby (R) of Alabama sent a letter asking for the U.S. Navy to lend a hand.

So, our own Navy turned their back. Didn’t see any of our Navy, did you? Ever think about protesting on the steps of the capitol rather than travel trade shows?
__________
SM: Been there, done it Muffinman. Like the A_ _ Clowns would have let our Navy there. Yea, right.

dennisintn on
July 10th, 2007 1:42 am

mt, you enjoy other peoples disasters just a little too much to be considered normal.
dennisintn

dennisintn on
July 10th, 2007 1:46 am

#69, you’re right, mm. downright totally correct.
dennisintn

yoyo muffintop on
July 10th, 2007 1:48 am

md – If the FBI/US Govt knows exactly what happened(as you say) because of something secret they were doing(as you say), would it not be logical to presume that Aruba/Netherlands might possibly have known as well? And if the FBI/US Govt cannot say anything(as you say), would it not be logical to assume the ALE/Netherlands cannot as well?
Based off your theory its strange why you would be harping on the KLPD.

yoyo muffintop on
July 10th, 2007 1:53 am

#74 – so…you are saying Aruba turned down our Navy? Link please. I am actually stunned that people would not be pissed that our US Navy was asked to help and the answer was “no”, based off the fact that they didn’t show up. There are many different arms of the Navy other than battleships.
Am I wrong here?

The trolls are getting more annoying, or trying to be, just as horseflies are more of a nuisance than mosquitoes.

But let’s make it clear; it’s not OUR job to do anything. I for one am not a law enforcement person, and if I were I would not have credentials on Aruba.

I know some people who are thinking about going to Aruba (in their minds, their purpose would justify breaking the boycott) and trying to do their own questioning of people.

I told them to forget it. It would take only one trumped-up complaint to put them in a jail cell. I’m sure that the Aruban government would love to retaliate in any way it can.

For those who can’t read, this is a thread about Natalee Holloway. We don’t talk about the war on terror, Darfur, or any of the many other atrocities going on in the world here because that’s not the purpose of this thread. This is about Natalee Holloway. To those people who don’t think her case is important or merits the attention it has gotten … what are you reading here for? Just leave!

The growing presence of trolls sort of implies that Arubans are getting nervous. Let’s hope the Dutch are giving them something to be nervous about. Any news on Lorenzo?

Jorge Pesquera is named top choice for county Convention, Visitors chief

By Mike Clary
South Florida Sun-Sentinel
Posted July 10 2007

A committee searching for a candidate to lead the Palm Beach County Convention and Visitors Bureau as it emerges from financial scandal on Monday recommended a veteran tourism chief familiar with public relations challenges.

Two years ago, Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association president Jorge Pesquera faced international calls for a tourism boycott following the disappearance of American high school student Natalee Holloway. The case of the missing Alabama vacationer, 18, became a media sensation, and remains unsolved.

“He’s been quite tested in the crisis mode,” said attorney Jim Stuber, interim administrator of the bureau. “Everyone welcomes the idea that he has proven himself under difficult circumstances. He brought tourism officials and the government together and has experience with the press.”

Pesquera was one of four finalists to replace longtime president and chief executive, Warren “Mac” McLaughlin, who resigned in November after employee Donna M. Duffer told police she stole $1.6 million over three years to cover gambling losses.

She has been charged with grand theft and money laundering and is awaiting trial.

Following a unanimous vote of the eight-person search committee, Pesquera’s nomination to take over the nonprofit bureau will be presented to the full board of directors on Wednesday, Stuber said. Pesquera would then be invited back to Florida for an interview with the board.

“We believe we’ve found the right candidate at the right time for the right position,” said Roy Assad, search committee chairman.

If hired, Pesquera would be paid about $198,000 a year, Stuber said, a substantial cut from his $250,000 salary.

In a resume submitted with his application for the post, an executive search firm said that Pesquera played “the key role” in working behind the scenes in Aruba “to minimize the impact of the Holloway story and effectively stopped calls for boycott [sic] by some U.S. elected officials.”

Aruba, a Dutch possession in the southern Caribbean off the coast of Venezuela, attracts 1.3 million visitors a year. Palm Beach County counts some 4.4 million annual visitors, including 2.2 million hotel guests.

Pesquera is a 30-year veteran of the tourism industry who went to work in Aruba in 2004 after 10 years as head of the Puerto Rico Convention Bureau in San Juan. He holds a degree in hotel administration from Cornell University.

Since the scandal broke, Stuber said, the number of bureau board members has been cut from 35 to 17, and financial controls have been tightened.

“Now,” said Stuber, who serves as outside counsel for the bureau, “we’re hoping he can take the organization to the next level, rather than have to come in and clean it up. We think we’ve cleaned it up.”

The Convention and Visitors Bureau receives about $10 million yearly in hotel bed-tax dollars to promote the county as a tourist destination.

Pearl on
July 10th, 2007 8:50 am

77 – Yoyo, you still spinning?

Come on, Yo. You know that the Aruban corrupt officials who obstructed the FBI from doing ANYTHING on Aruban LAND, no less allowing their stellar tootsies to enter THE WATER, was a big big NO-NO, for Aruban officials.

Afterall, that might set a precedent for what the FBI would then be ALLOWED TO DO in the big FAKE SEARCH that corrupt ALE officials were engaging in, isn’t that true, yoyo?

The game was to USE those FBI agents, and make them “appear” to be “working” with ALE officials, no?
The game was to USE THEIR HONOR, THEIR INTEGRITY, in an attempt to TWIST ALE CORRUPT PERVERSIONS, AND INJUSTICE, INTO APPEARING TO HAVE SOME “SHINE” AND SOME “TRANSPARENCY” TO IT, NO?

Except, the FBI wouldn’t play “the game”, off this precious little girl’s suffering, would they?
IS THAT THE REASON WHY THOSE DIVERS WALKED OFF THE ISLAND WITHIN 48 HOURS OF THEIR ARRIVAL, YOYO?
DO TELL US WHY THEY WALKED OFF THE ISLAND, YOYO.

Yoyo, you know that Dompig had muscle coordination problems..?, or whatever the issue was for him and his pals… (FEAR OF ALLOWING FBI OFFICIALS TO ENTER THE WATER, PERHAPS)? that prevented Dompig’s 200 pound body, from picking up the telephone and allowing TIM MILLER to search to water, no less the US FBI DIVERS AND THE US NAVY!

Heck, yo! They wouldn’t even allow Tim Miller to search Paulus’ water well, on his property.
Afterall, that would lead search teams to: THE HOUSE.
And goodness knows, THE HOUSE, was WAY OFF LIMITS for any “SEARCHING”, and any “FINDING” of Natalee, isn’t THAT true, yoyo?

And now you want to suggest that the US NAVY somehow failed in the FAKE “search” for Natalee?

Why send a US Navy ship into an OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE, Yoyo? So corrupt officials in Aruba could attempt to stand in the stellar reputation of FBI officials and the US NAVY, in order for ALE liars to then suggest: “WE’RE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE US NAVY”, the same way those ALE officials LIED TO THE PRESS, telling them that “WE ARE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE FBI”, only to have FBI OFFICIALS CORRECT THOSE LIES WITH: “OUR DIVERS NEVER SET FOOT IN THE WATER” !!!

Why send US NAVY SHIPS TO AN OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE AND VIOLATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS DEPRAVED “PARTY” RUN BY FELONS?

So that MORE SPIN could be created by Aruban officials who were LYING, in their disgraceful conduct claiming:

“We’re looking EVERYWHERE” and “WE ARE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE AMERICANS”?

What’s wrong, yoyo? You don’t like that the US NAVY didn’t feel like GETTING USED, same way the FBI walked away from that corrupt web of criminal felons, because THEY didn’t want to be USED in the BIG COVERUP being perpetrated off the horrific suffering of a innocent American child, that was supposed to look like those corrupt ALE officials were conducting themselves in a “transparent” manner?

Hey, yoyo. Do some research for us all, will you?

How about YOU explain to everyone here, WHY ODUBER was in FLORIDA, during early June of 2005?

TELL EVERYONE THE DEPRAVED STORY OF ARUBAN OFFICIALS THAT WOULD REPRESENT THEIR COUNTRY AT MEETINGS TO DISCUSS …- WELL, YOU DO KNOW WHAT WAS DISCUSSED, DON’T YOU YOYO?.., AND THEN HAVE THOSE SAME OFFICIALS GO BACK TO ARUBA, AND SPIN THE MOST DEPRAVED LIES ABOUT THEIR “CONCERNS” FOR NATALEE, THEIR CONCERNS FOR “JUSTICE”, AND THEIR CONCERNS FOR NATALEE’S FAMILY WHILE THE INSIDIOUS COVERUP OF A LITTLE DEFENSELESS AMERICAN CHILD, AND THE BRUTALITY SHE SUFFERED UNDER THE VIOLATIONS OF HER HUMAN RIGHTS – IN FULL SWING, TAKING PLACE IN ARUBA.

Yoyo, you know that you can’t FIND a child whom Paulus arranges: “NO CORPSE, NO CASE” for, while Aruban officials are AIDING in the obstructions of FINDING HER and ALLOWING PAULUS to make those “NO CORPSE, NO CASE” arrangements, while ALE officials are sending FBI agents off to the “ALLEGRO HOTEL”, WHILE NOT ALLOWING THEM TO ENTER THE WATER, all in the name of what the spinners were calling a “SEARCH”, while Natalee’s mother and family is being sent off to CRACK HOUSES and Natalee’s father is CLEARLY SIDE-RAILED from running HIS OWN SEARCH, and then claim – that the US NAVY was somehow “THE ISSUE” !!!

Yoyo. I don’t how whether to laugh or to throw my hands up out of concern for your soul, that you would actually suggest we BELIEVE such a statement!!!

Yoyo. Why would the FBI be sent to the ALLEGRO hotel, when, Satish was telling ARUBAN AUTHORITIES on May 31, that he went to THE HOUSE?

Never mind, yoyo. I already know your answer.
You want to point to the FBI, THE US NAVY, and, let’s see, am I leaving out someone else for you to point a finger at, OTHER THAN, ANY of the depraved individuals who you KNOW participated in acts of such criminal conduct, it causes souls across America to WEEP for what this poor baby suffered.

Find your conscience yoyo, then come back for some ‘discourse’. You could be so much more, yoyo.
But you choose to remain chained to depravity.

Is that who you really are, yoyo?
You could be so much more!

To all those who advocate for Natalee right to HUMAN RIGHTS, stand together for this little girl, and claim FOR HER, her right to be set free from this depravity and injustice to HER and TO HER FAMILY!

Pearl, the Aruba flacks will post any kind of nonsensical garbage here that they can think of. I guess they don’t have much else to do … certainly they’re not overloaded with tourists. Maybe they’re spying on the Dutch.

Folks, the phone number at the Palm Beach County Convention and Visitors Bureau is given on the Web as 561-233-3000. Their address is 1555 Palm Beach Lakes Blvd., Suite 800, West Palm Beach, FL 33400. I’m going to call later and ask to whom protest letters can (should!) be sent about this proposed hiring of an Aruban official.

It says in the article that things will be done on Wednesday; this may mean they want to see how many protest calls and letters they will get. I’ll be sending at least one of each. Consider joining in; the notion of an Aruban who served on the ‘strategic committee’ to ‘manage’ Natalee’s case being hired in the U.S. just makes me ill.

Carpe, it was Minnesota Dad who went on the canoeing trip, not I. But if I had a canoe, I’d be glad to oblige.

minnesota dad on
July 10th, 2007 9:20 am

#83….AMEN PEARL

Thank you. You saved me the time of putting YoYo in his place.

So, KLPD, when are you going to have the Aruban Justice Department (AKA the Paulus Protection Society- PPS for short!) retract the letter stating Paulus was no longer a suspect??? When are you going to have the courts rehear the decision releasing Paulus as a suspect???

Come on KLPD….you can’t seriously be trying to solve this case without bringing in the MAIN PERPETRATOR and at least developing a timeline for him.

I have been asking you to do this since you were asked to participate on this case (I believe it was September 2006). We are going on one year of inaction here.

The search of the Sloot compound made great TV, but it was done two years late. YOU ARE AVOIDING WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. BRING PAULUS BACK AS A SUSPECT AND PUT HIM BEHIND BARS.

The question remains for all — is the KLPD as corrupt as Aruban Law Enforcement/Aruban Justice Department/PPS??? Me thinks you are based on your inaction and ‘going through the motions” on this one.

#43 duisgustedmom
I have been away a few days and a lot of catching up to do.
Geoff tried Natalee a few nights. One in particular was Friday May27th, 2005 at Carlos and Charlie’s.
There were other nights.
This leads me to believe that a motive could have been revenge and Joran got Natalee for Geoff and Michael Dompig.
They were still employed by VCB and supposidly on duty that night. So if Joran dropped Natalee off at the beach; it could have been for Geoff to get his revenge.

>>>You know what the media should be focusing on. How to stay safe when traveling to any foreign country,>>>>>>>>>>

Okay, here’s some travel safety tips: Stay out of Aruba. You may end up staying there longer than you planned. Aruba vacations are vacations to hell; you have to hope you get to leave. Don’t fly to Aruba, don’t take a ship to Aruba, don’t step foot on the one little crappy island. Aruba is not a safe vacation spot. Travelers get robbed in Aruba’s hotels.

disgustedmom on
July 10th, 2007 11:48 am

Does anyone besides me find it strange that momma’s keep such close watch over their big boys in Aruba? Nadira has to make sure her 21 year old supposedly trustworthy son is home before she can go to bed? I just read where Nadira ‘overslept’ on May 30 and didn’t ‘wake’ Satish up for school. I wonder too, why do all these old boys need someone to wake them up all the time? Paulus has to wake up Joran, Nadira has to wake up Satish….what’s going on here? What kind of slackers are these old boys? Are alarm clocks only for the parents?

Another short rant….we have all said this before but I think it needs to be said again….why the heck did Joran have to go home because he had school the next day on the night he just had to leave Natalee alone (even though he sure didn’t go to bed but stayed up for hours online) when he’s out the very next night even later with no such concern over school? And then, he’s not out late on a school night after that…so doesn’t it seem like when he was out late on May 30-31 he may have been sent out? PVDS’s timeline really needs to be tracked for the time Joran was gone that evening…

The cops of one sort or another were notified that Natalee was missing before noon on May 30, in fact before the first planeload of MBies left the island, so we know there was plenty of time to start a coverup before Beth arrived. Charles Croes then gets a call from ‘a friend’-who has never been identified to the public probably because it’s relevant to the coverup- about that call that came into one of the MB kid’s cell phone, and it is at that point that C Croes gets involved heavily in this case to the point that he not only is the one who meets with Beth at a gas station the night she gets off the plane but also gets to be the one whom Joran confides in about things he didn’t want to say in front of Jug AND prior to that he is running around the island with some kid in his car trying to find out stuff. Just what IS Charles Croes function? He writes all over Aruba travel message boards so we know he’s an internet junkie. But what else is he?

It is Charles Croes, who after talking with Beth etc, takes them to the cops (finally) and just happens to be the one who points the finger toward the VDS house. Then the cops get to act like this missing girl is NEWS to them? When they have already been notified earlier that morning? And then even though the cops take the attitude that ‘she will turn up in a few days’ they still go to the VDS house with Charles Croes and Beth? And the cops are all like, you can’t say she’s really missing until after 48 hours and so technically we can’t even bother with you…then they bother with it anyway by going to the VDS house because Charles Croes says so? In the middle of the night?

Something is not right here. The double talk plans had already begun before Beth ever arrived on the island. And it happens to be an area ALE et als never talk about.

In short, the cops knew early that day that Natalee was missing. They act like they did nothing, but someone did. Someone, a friend of Charles Croes, did…and then CC took over until 3 AM+ the next morning ‘searching things out’ and ‘finding’ Joran (not by anything to do with the call) and then finally taking Beth to the cop station….why didn’t he just take her there to begin with? Hmph!… Then he goes off the radar.

Final small rant and then I’ll be gone all day….Joran is an idiot….he tells his daddy the morning of May 31 that the neighbors came out and told him and Deepak to turn down their radio. Who the heck cares, Joran? What’s your point, Joran? Did anyone happen to ask the neighbors if they really did this, and if so, what time it was?

It is amazing with such resolve and confidence that Joe Pinacolada says the evidence is gone.

disgustedmom on
July 10th, 2007 12:02 pm

#88, thanks 1006

It would appear revenge was a thing, but I don’t know if Joran would give a crap about GVC’s sexual adventures. She may, however, have been taken from Joran by GVC. I can see that happening, but I can also see Joran ratting him out if that were the case.

You know….it’s not easy to tell a guy to leave you alone sometimes. Depending on who is it and how you do it you can end up making the guy(has to be an ashole to begin with) angry and vengeful etc. One of the worst things a girl can do if put in a position of having some guy invade their space and not take no for an answer is to challenge said guy. GVC was challenged, not just by Natalee but by those who took up for her. And he was made to appear the fool in front of his friends. GVC had motive for sure. BUt was he that kind of guy? Joran easily could be said to be ‘that kind of guy’ but what about GVC?

Come to think of it….Dompig was given this case while the person who would have been handling it was sent to (I think) Holland….was that Richardson? But anyway, my small point is, IF GVC and Michael Dompig did have something to do with taking Natalee away from Joran, then making Dompig in charge of the case would insure Dompig’s cooperation in not finding the truth.

The guy in charge of the Palm Beach County Convention and Visitors Bureau is Jim Stuber, interim administrator.

I hope we’re all going to write about this utter travesty of offering a head tourism job in the United States to somebody involved in the Aruban ‘strategic committee,’ which had the task of trying to keep tourism going and to defuse Natalee’s case.

Here’s an excerpt from the article:

“In a resume submitted with his application for the post, an executive search firm said that (Jorge) Pesquera played “the key role” in working behind the scenes in Aruba “to minimize the impact of the Holloway story and effectively stopped calls for boycott (sic) by some U.S. elected officials.”

And THAT is what Palm Beach County, Florida, wants to head its tourism office? THAT is what they want to take charge after a corruption scandal?

What next, asking Joran van der Sloot to make a goodwill tour in this country?

#94, thank you, richard. i’ve been stewing about this all morning. jorge is the guy who at least help make the decision to hire aruba steve and his merry band of liars, the same bunch of people who hire out to politicians in the states who want their opponents slimed and bashed. nice people, i’m sure.
dennisintn

disgustedmom:
I will try to find the link. A girl went out with Geoff after Natalee disappeared. They met at C and C’s and took a cab back to the hotel with her friends. She was smart and had Geoff leave his ID with her friends when they went out for a walk.
He kept talking about how rich his family was. When she brought up Natalee, Geoff quit talking and he walked hurridly back to the hotel. Geoff ignored many cell phone calls and said it was his mother and he had to go home.
If you can find the tape from his arrest; his body actions are really strange and he is wearing a VCB hood.
Remember it was a VCB shirt along with the foam with the teeth marksm, a Lysol bottle with unknown liquid and his style sunglasses found in Weg Fontein in Lagoville a section of San Nicolas.
If Joran had anything to do with Natalee’s disappearance: IMO Geoff, Guido, Michael and Andreas are in there also.

Libby on
July 10th, 2007 3:51 pm

MD, I am so glad you are back! Your theory is the only one that makes 100% sense.

sirensong on
July 10th, 2007 6:52 pm

To the troll that said we can’t change the past, I beg to differ. In the past, Aruba’s tourism was growing. We are changing that! BOYCOTT ARUBA! No one I know will ever go to that sleazy island. To anyone considering visiting Aruba, please read the crime thread. They LIE about everything. There is alot of crime in Aruba, and car accidents, drownings and suicides (which are probably murders). They just LIE about it to get you there. Once you are there, they think your wives, daughters, and female children are sluts, whores, addicts,and alcoholics that should be drugged and raped. Then they will let you know that your loved one is not worth looking for. They will blame you for anything that goes wrong, because they don’t give a chit about anything but your money and their tourism numbers.

minnesota dad on
July 10th, 2007 7:53 pm

1006…

I agree completely. Those stiffs were involved with Joran.

I still fully believe it took place at the VDS compound and those boys were there (the white car following = at least Guido, Geoffrey, and Andreas). The 2ks probably were there as spectators. Guido is definitely into this very, very deep in light of his ‘overlawyering’ in Europe.

I still maintain that at approximately 2:30-3:30, the gang rape got out of control and Paulus sent the troops a packin. The stuff found with Geoffrey’s VCB shirt was most likely used in the crime. Did anyone hear if the Holloway family provided dental records? Seems to me one could get a pretty good determination from dental records regarding the teeth marks in the styrofoam….of course, there would definitely be DNA residue there…who tested this stuff??? The KLPD back in the Netherlands (same folks that turned blood into chocolate?).

How far was the blood soaked mattress from this stuff?

These boys were in on the gang rape.

Paulus is still missing a timeline for the night. We know he was out at 4am with Joran (and possibly Natalee) and that Joran caught the bus at 6:50am from Lorenzo’s. The question remains….what were Paulus and Joran up to from 4am to 6:50am.

MD

minnesota dad on
July 10th, 2007 8:00 pm

Anyone know how far the Lysol, VCB Shirt, etc. was from Lorenzo’s pad?

Me thinks that the shirt was left at the Sloot compound by Geoffrey. Me thinks the Lysol and other stuff was used by Paulus & Joran. That stuff was in a bag. Do you not think that the buttons on the VCB shirt would have fingerprints on them….as well as the Lysol bottle, etc. which were conveniently in a plastic bag (Anita’s? Paulus? Joran)?

Whose fingerprints were on the buttons KLPD??? You certainly have this evidence at your disposal. Or were they accidentally wiped clean???

The gig is up KLPD. Are you going to prosecute or continue the charade?

Find San Nicolas
Grid 15-16 and G-F is Grapefield Beach
The mattress was found near that intersection
Go to G12 Rooi Koochi is approximately Lorenzo’s.
At H14 inside the grid near the road leading
to Lourdes Grotto
Is where the Shirt etc were found.
The bottle could have been dry cleaning fluid
that Deepak could obtain from (Eltons’ ? )
dry cleaning in Hooiberg.
That is weg fontein in Colony or Lagoville
At H 12/13 is Cura Cabai. That is where Robert
Wayne Benson worked and was found dead.
At H 10 Sabana Basora is about where they found Rene.
That is where RWB is buried also.
Interesting there was no obituary for Rene.
Then of course in H 15 is the KIA where Van der Straaten worked.
There is also a medical center there.
Branches of the bank that Paulus used have outside ATM’s.
Interesting is that there is a McDondalds in Santa Cruz.
Paulus never mentioned which McDonalds.
You might want this map also.http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

minnesotadad:
Using Shango’s riddles that pertain to where Natalee is supposed to be is a landmark near San Nicolas.
See if you come up with the same place and logic.
Use only clues referencing Natalee or Mary the Virgin.

The time element…we know Joran left with Natalee and the Kalpoes approximately 1:00am on 5-30 and got on the school bus at Lorenzo’s at 6:50am…he slept all day at school in the nurses office..after school he went to tennis practice, Melody Granadillo said a friend of Joran’s told her Joran called , this friend,after tennis practice and said he was concerned about the girl he was with that morning was missing. How did Joran know she was missing, he was in school and the plane left at 12:00 that day. That’s because he already knew!

disgustedmom on
July 10th, 2007 10:21 pm

#96…I hadn’t heard about that girl who went out with GVC. Interesting indeed.

I had heard about the shirt and stuff left on the grapefields area. The only thing that bothers me about that is that ‘it was still there’. But it is quite suspicious, isn’t it? The styrofoam with the teeth marks is so telling! When a person goes into respiratory failure for whatever reason, often times their jaws clench like lock jaw and people mistake it for a seizure so they put something in the person’s mouth.

I don’t now if anyone recalls this, and I’m sure the site where the link was has crashed so I don’t know where to find it anymore….but it was said that photos of Natalee getting in the Kalpoe car were taken from the rear window of that white car that was following J2K. Don’t know how they got pics out the back window when they were supposedly following, but whoever was in that white car knows stuff!..and, yes, may have been involved.

Joran did not go to bangus.com for no reason at all when he got home. And bangbus, in case anyone has forgotten or didn’t know, is a site (I believe it started in Florida, but tries to reach out and recruit pimps from all over) that promotes luring girls into your car, filming/photographing them giving oral sex-which they then post pics on the bangbus site along with the story of the night, then dumping the girl out all alone in some deserted spot to find her own way back to civilization! That last part of the bangbus rule of the game is the one that disturbs me the most because Joran says he left Natalee alone. And it sure wasn’t the beach where he left her; that’s not good enough for the bangbus game. What did he do, leave her in the middle of the forest somewhere? It doesn’t take much forest to end up going around in circles if you’re unfamiliar with it. And Joran can’t stop talking about BJ’s…which is so unnecessary for him to even EVER mention whether it’s true or not. He is such a disgusting low down slimeball moron for mentioning anything personal about Natalee. That information does NOT help the case. He’s just a total bast*8d so proud of himself! Good God, where is karma when you need it? Sorry, I got off track….

There is also another site…has ‘Un-dia-den-bida’ in it….where once upon a time there were pictures posted titled “girl smuggled aruba” that showed a girl being crammed inside the dashboard of what appeared to be an SUV. She was ‘asleep’. I can’t get to that site anymore, but I did save screen stills to my desktop. If only I could figure out how to post them. (Not too computuer savy here) They are quite interesting and surely would need a shortish girl to fit. Anyway, that site was said to be a phone-in site so you had to use your cell phone to access it. The link was posted at one time which is how I got to save it. But now, I think you have to use your cell to access it. I’m not doing that. But if anyone can tell me how to get these pics off my desktop to a link you all can go to, I’ll do it if anyone is interested.

disgustedmom on
July 10th, 2007 10:35 pm

#104, Brie, Of course Joran already knew and so did Paulus and a whole lot of others. It just gauls me how stupid those covering up this crime of multiple proportions think everyone is. And sadder still is that they are getting away with it. Unbelievable!

Pearl on
July 10th, 2007 11:06 pm

87 – MD…no crow pie for you.

You remain, painfully articulate, and right on target when it comes to NAMING what these monsters did to this precious child, Natalee and her beautiful family.

As I paused to re-read all the great posts of Natalee’s blessed friends, I thought once again about the horrific end to her life, all the brutality this child suffered and the butchers who sought to not only snuff out her life, but silence her truth from her loving family, FOREVER!

How fitting that these depraved barbaric men will indeed be defeated by a little girl, with a voice for truth that will never ever be silenced or crushed!

THEY CANNOT SILENCE HER VOICE, THOUGH IN THEIR MALICE THEY TRIED TO DO SO.

They cannot crush her resiliant spirit, though they stole her body, denied her family a funeral or a burial for their precious baby – and LOOK! Natalee continues to develop new friends across America and beyond, and she will continue to draw the interest of millions of people, who will learn her story, and her painful truth about the torment and torture she suffered at the hands of Aruba’s despicable predators!

People will gravitate to this child for years and years to come, if only to embrace her heartbreaking story, and comfort her loving family with the knowledge that THIS CHILD’S VOICE SHALL NOT BE SILENCED; THIS CHILD’S SPIRIT SHALL NOT BE CRUSHED!

TELL ALL YOUR FRIENDS ABOUT NATALEE, AND WHAT SHE SUFFERED IN ARUBA! FIND YOUR VOICE AND RAISE THIS CHILD’S TRUTH UP, SO THAT EVERYONE MAY KNOW THE REAL TRUTH ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO NATALEE HOLLOWAY, AND HER INCREDIBLE, DEDICATED AND LOVING FAMILY, WHO REFUSED TO LEAVE THEIR PRECIOUS CHILD’S TRUTH, BENEATH THE INFECTED AND CRIMINAL HANDS OF BARBARIC MONSTERS!

Rise up, sweet Natalee through the darkness of the night, and into the light of so many friends who surround you with all our hopes for you, and your family – that you will one day, come home to your family, and your family will finally hold your truth in their hearts forevermore!
May someone find it in their heart and in their conscience to grant this child her human right to be laid to rest with dignity and grace, with reverence and in peace.

For Natalee …

Blackbird, Paul McCartney, 1968

Blackbird singing in the dead of night
Take these broken wings and learn to fly

All your life
You were only waiting for this moment to arise

Blackbird singing in the dead of night
Take these sunken eyes and learn to see

All your life
You were only waiting for this moment to be free.

Blackbird fly, Blackbird fly
Into the light of the dark black night.

Blackbird fly, Blackbird fly
Into the light of the dark black night.

Blackbird singing in the dead of night
Take these broken wings and learn to fly

All your life

You were only waiting for this moment to arive

Minnesota dad, you ask such great questions, and raise so many good points.

Tonight I wonder…how much longer shall Natalee’s family wait for their child to be set free?

When will “their moment” come?
When shall their time begin, where they will be set free from the mental and emotional imprisonment inflicted upon them by the MEN WHO DID NOTHING BUT LIE AND OBSTRUCT, AND EXECUTE THE MOST BRUTAL, BARBARIC INHUMANE TREATMENT OF A VICTIMIZED FAMILY – AND THEIR DAUGHTER…

WHEN WILL NATALEE’S MOMENT TO ARISE, BEGIN?

WHAT MORE CAN THESE VIPERS DO TO THIS BABY, BESIDES ALL THE BUTCHERING OF HER FAMILY’S HEARTS AND SPIRIT?

I look at Natalee and her family, and all the brokenness they continue to suffer…and I cannot help but wonder,
WHEN WILL NATALEE HOLLOWAY FINALLY BE SET FREE?

WHEN WILL NATALEE HOLLOWAY FINALLY COME HOME?

WHEN WILL NATALEE’S HOLLOWAY’S TRUTH BE RETURNED TO HER LOVING FAMILY?

You are so very right, MD.

This was never difficult, nor complicated.

ALL PATHS LEAD TO “THE HOUSE” – THE HOUSE, that Straaten REFUSED to search.

THE HOUSE that Janssen never noted as a point of interest.

The house of predators, liars, killers, and obstructors to justice.

The house that contains the wanna be judge, who can’t string together a sentence of truth, but who was allowed to “represent” ‘the boys’, immediately.
Makes you wonder, how Karin didn’t see THAT little arrangement as um…a “conflict” for her ripping collection of TRUTH or EVIDENCE!

The house, of which Mickey John spoke, where meetings were being conducted by the pool.

But there was no need to search “the house”.

Afterall, isn’t it everyday, that ALL the men last seen taking an innocent child away would happen to be conducting MEETINGS to PLAN THE LIES THEY WILL TELL POLIS AND NATALEE’S FAMILY REGARDING “WHERE” THEY PUT NATALEE, AND DO THIS – before any public announcements are made concerning Natalee being missing?

Isn’t it everday, that a father to a lead suspect would LIE to a traumatized mother, claiming his son could not possibly have been with her daughter, while suggesting he knows NOTHING about her missing child and unbeknownst to the mother – he already has conducted MEETINGS to PLOT and PLAN what LIES TO TELL HER AND THE POLIS concerning her missing child?

But still, there was no need to search “THE HOUSE”.

The furniture truck pulled up right next to “the house”.

A bloody mattress was found.

Blood on the mattress was deemed to belong to a dog.
Blood in the car was deemed to be none other than chocolate.

No one at the hotel ever saw her enter THE LOBBY, that they all claimed they took her to, and SAW her enter.

But still….there was no need to go to “THE HOUSE”.

The surveillance tapes indicated: THEY ARE ALL LIARS!

But STILL… there was NO NEED TO GO TO “THE HOUSE”.

Satish Kalpoe: “We got bored, and we all agreed to go to THE HOUSE”. (May 31, 2005)

TWO YEARS LATER, AFTER THE FURNITURE TRUCK AND DUMP TRUCKS HAVE LEFT, AFTER THE HEARTS OF NATALEE’S FAMILY MEMBERS HAVE BEEN CRUCIFIED OVER AND OVER AGAIN, …
SUDDENLY…THERE IS NOW A NEED TO GO TO “THE HOUSE”.

But she is no longer there.
Even with her broken wings, her voice continues to cry out for her freedom!

She deserves to be free!
SHe needs to be returned to her family!
Her family wants her to come home!

WHAT DOES IT TAKE, ARUBA, TO BEHAVE LIKE HUMAN BEINGS, AND REJECT THE DEPRAVED CRUEL MONSTERS, WHOSE DEMONIC CONDUCT IMPRISONS ARUBA BY THE BRUTALITY AND ACTS OF BARBARIC CRUELTY AS INFLICTED UPON NATALEE BY ARUBA’S PREDATORS?

WHAT DOES IT TAKE ARUBA, TO SET A CHILD WITH BROKEN WINGS – FREE?

WHY DID KARIN JANSSEN ALLOW A HEAVY BATTERIED CHILD’S TORTURED REMAINS, TO SUFFER FURTHER VICTIMIZATION THROUGH ACTS OF TREACHEROUS SADISTIC CONDUCT, THAT WOULD IMPOSE THE CRIMINAL SENTENCE OF “CONFINEMENT” ON A DEFENSELESS INNOCENT CHILD, AND KEEP HER – FOREVER, FROM HER LOVING FAMILY, BY DENYING HER THE FREEDOM TO RETURN TO THEM?

WHAT KIND OF CANNABLISM DEVOURS THE BROKENNESS OF A CHILD, WITH SUCH SAVAGERY AND VINDICTIVE CRUELTY?

KLPD: EITHER PUT ON YOUR BADGES AND STEP INTO THE ROLE OF PROTECTOR AND DEFENDER OF THIS LITTLE GIRL’S RIGHT TO BE FREE, OR STEP ASIDE, AND LET THE USA’S FBI BRING NATALEE HOLLOWAY HOME!

END THE CONTAINMENT OF THE VICTIM, BY SETTING NATALEE FREE!

CONTAIN THE KIDNAPPING, RAPISTS AND MURDERERS, AND ALL THE LYING CO-CONSPIRATORS!

SET THIS LITTLE GIRL FREE FROM THIS DEPRAVITY AND CRUELTY!

TOURISM SHOULD INCLUDE: COMING HOME!

SET NATALEE FREE FROM ARUBA’S MOST BARBARIC ACT OF CRUELTY AGAINST A CHILD!

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY AND HER FAMILY!

Pearl on
July 10th, 2007 11:16 pm

Great job, 94 – Richard.

What about sending your letter to one of these individuals…or, all of the newspapers in the Palm Beach area?

105 disgustedmom:
Here is that article:
Interview With Cromvoirt Acquaintance
Though currently studying abroad, I was able to establish contact and do a brief phone interview with a young American girl acquainted with current detainee in the Natalee Holloway investigation, Geoffrey van Cromvoirt.

She is still somewhat shaken by news of his arrest, particularly as it was June 9th, 2005, the night Joran Van der Sloot and the two Kalpoe brothers were arrested, when she met GVC at Carlos and Charlies. She was able to provide the day of the week, Thursday, which matches with the night of the three boys arrests. After speaking with her, I’ve no reason to doubt her veracity.

GVC was alone at Carlos and Charlies that night keeping mostly to himself. She could only remember him saying hello to one other person passing by that night in the club. After some initial eye contact, it was she who approached GVC. He immediately appeared to open up.

One item of possible interest, he told her that he worked during the day taking tourists out on a Catamaran. While I have no way of ascertaining it was the same catamaran, I do recall photos taken by the Mountain Brook students showing that they did take such a trip.

GVC struck her as something of a self promoter, constantly talking about himself, his many connections and his family’s supposed wealth. She also recalled seeing images of some famous individuals he had stored in his cell phone, noting that GVC did not appear with those people in said pictures. Still, he insisted they were friends.

On another night, she may have been less receptive to the seemingly brash young man, but she found him attractive, she was on vacation and the two eventually danced. She indicated that there were no drugs involved, though both were drinking. At some point, GVC offered her a ride to her hotel and a male friend of the young woman went along.

GVC did apparently brag about being involved with security, trying to exert some pressure on a hotel guard to acknowledge who he was. The guard apparently failed to acknowledge him in any significant manner. She believes he was driving a jeep at the time, possibly blue and that he also mentioned a recent or pending purchase of a truck, color unknown.

Back at her hotel, it was decided that he would leave behind his ID and possibly some other wallet contents with her friends as security before the two went back out alone together. They spent approximately a half an hour or so together, primarily on the beach. The only potentially unusual thing she noticed during their time on the beach was that he might have been a bit nervous, looking about – at one point claiming he saw a security guard coming. She could not see a guard.

After some time on the beach his cell phone started ringing but he did not answer it. She believes it rang several times in succession, possibly as many as seven times. When she inquired about the calls, he stated that it was his Mother and that he had to get home. He kept reiterating, he had to go. She was puzzled at this as she believed him to be 19 years old at the time.

After a night of being extremely talkative, mostly about himself, she did eventually ask him in a casual way about the Natalee Holloway case. She feels very strongly that it was at that point his demeanor significantly changed. He almost completely stopped talking while the two were walking, swiftly now, back to her hotel.

She asked a few different questions … if he knew of the case, of those involved, what was it that he thought. But he did not answer any of those questions, or change the topic. He mostly just stopped talking at all. They returned to her hotel, a friend brought down his things and that was the last she saw of him until his recent arrest. She felt he all but took off running, likely related to the phone calls, as he left.

Later after leaving the island, the interaction did leave her with a strange feeling, mostly because of his sudden silence when the topic of Natalee Holloway came up. Unsure if it meant anything, or not, eventually she did call the FBI. She gave them what information she could as regards the encounter, much of which I have now relayed here.

It remains unclear what, if any connection GVC has to the Holloway case. But at least one individual who spent some time with the boy soon after the disappearance was troubled enough about his demeanor simply talking about the case to make a call to the FBI.

Remember the statement…Natalee was upset in the car because Deepak put in a porno tape on the screen. Joran said he told Deepak to turn it off….I’m sure that was a lie…so immediately after Natalee got into the car..porno began. Those two cell phone calls she made, of course, were for help!

To Carpe-off the subject, but back to the topic of “in the beginning.” The beginning of the twilight zone for Natalee, and for those who care about her.

Follow me carefully, and if you don’t agree, then just hang in there and follow and agree for just a bit.

Natalee’s body is in the landfill. Of this I have no doubt. Some things don’t line up. I know you spent a lot of time on the semi-translucent bag, and I can agree-there is definitely evidence there. There is definitely at least one body there. I believe it is Natalee.

The problem is the time doesn’t match up. The video of the bag or plastic or whatever was supposedly taken on June 10. This makes no sense and blows my whole landfill theory to pieces. I’m thinking the date on the videos, including the rock video is off, byu at least 9 days.

I have some ideas as to why and what happen, but could you just stir the stew, before the bottom burns, and give me some possible explanations?

Jerry

disgustedmom on
July 11th, 2007 9:08 am

Wow, 1006…#109….GVC being ‘alone’ in CC, just like Joran was after his 2 cohorts left his side to mingle elsewhere. I’ll just bet GVC was alone, um hmm. The girl probably didn’t realize he had is 2 wingmen with him. (guys with bad intentions normally travel in 3′s)

Joran played the pitiful lonely boy routine too. And then he started with the -oh no I don’t wanna dance and oh no I don’t wanna do body shots (pretending even when talking about it in interviews that he had no idea what a body shot was until Natalee exposed him to the culture of it).

What I find interesting about this girl’s story is how closely it matches what we believe Joran did, such as offering Natalee a ride back to her hotel. GVC actually had to do that with this girl because she brought someone else along on the ride. Joran did not. Then there’s the talk about being wealthy, which Joran probably did too since he claims Natalee asked him if he had a big house. And then there’s the famous walk on the beach.

GVC being on the lookout for security guards while he was walking on the beach makes no sense. I’m not saying the girl was wrong about it, I’m just wondering what was the reason for the worry. It’s like seeing a security guard is a bad thing, just like in Natalee’s case. What do you think could have been up with that? Do security guards (or fake ones) come up to people (certain girls) and tell them they have to go back to the hotel or something and actually take the girls from the guys? It has been said that some island boys dress up like security guards. Why would they do that if not to gain trust? Trust so they can then do what? Take the girl then let their friend appear innocent while blaming real guards? Then the real guard goes free because they didn’t really do anything and the case falls into a bottomless pit?

I’m beginning to see a common thread here as to the method of luring girls off and what happens next. Thanks for posting that article.

disgustedmom on
July 11th, 2007 10:03 am

Jerry, you seem determined that Natalee is in the landfill. I’m not so sure I can get my head around that one for the simple reason that ALE let Dave search there.

Perhaps it was logical that she would end up in the landfill if she had been placed in a dumpster…the caller who said she was in the landfill even said she was under a child’s blue plastic swimming pool…so what if this person had only known Natalee had been placed in a dumpster because he found it there (or put it there himself) and in that dumpster was also this plastic pool so he just thought the two would end up at the same spot in the landfill? Recall that there was such a pool at the landfill, but no body was anywhere near it. Hence, what if Natalee’s body was taken from the dumpster before it was emptied into the landfill?

Just a thought, because I personally can’t see where ALE would let Dave or any outsider search anywhere they actually thought evidence was or might be. Those in charge knew from the start what they were doing. I believe anywhere they say look or any tipster info they share with the family is bogus.

Pearl on
July 11th, 2007 10:36 am

Disgustedmom, have you ever noticed how busy the ALE made Beth and Dave, and the FBI, at the early onset of Natalee’s being reported missing?

Do you think there might have been PURPOSE behind WHERE Beth, Dave, their family – and even all those “volunteers” were being sent by ALE OFFICIALS?

Consider this: While Beth and Dave were being “sent” to a variety of locations, all over the island, WHEN EXACTLY DOES ARUBA’S ALE / and buddies, all “come together” to BEGIN that big “search” for Natalee?

Satish: “We got BORED ( after our arriving minutes BEFORE closing time, mind you), and we all decided to go to THE HOUSE.” Satish Kalpoe ( May 31, 2005)

Deepak, Joran: “We dropped her off at the Holiday Inn, right in front of the HOTEL LOBBY”. (May 31, 2005, shortly AFTER 3 AM in the morning).

Holiday Inn Employees: “We NEVER saw her come through the lobby.” May 30, 2005.

Holiday Inn surveillance: “NONE OF THE CAMERAS INDICATE THAT SHE WAS EVER RETURNED TO THE HOTEL!” May 30, 2005.

Jan Van der Straaten: (Beginning of JUNE 2005) “She could have come through the hotel another way.”

Dennis Jacobs, June 1, 2005: “We found all their statements to be CONSISTENT.”

Karin Janssen: Early June, 2005: “We are looking EVERYWHERE for her.”

Gerold Dompig: “These boys are guilty as hell.” ( June 2005)

Gerold Dompig: “She died of a drug/alcohol combination that was ‘lethal’” ( paraphrased, from Dompig’s big CBS interview with Troy Roberts, where Dompig shows up with his badge to slander a child he KNOWS SUFFERED BRUTAL VICTIMIZATION by PREDATORS and SOCIOPATHS IN ARUBA, WHO ARE NOW FREE!

How TELLING, how REVEALING of WHO and WHAT Dennis Jacobs, Karin Janssen, Gerold Dompig, and Jan Van der Straaten ALL ARE.

Justice for this sweet child, who deserves to come home to her family and finally be set free.

Justice for Natalee’s family, who deserve the RIGHT to BURY their baby with DIGNITY AND RESPECT.

disgustedmom on
July 11th, 2007 12:05 pm

Yeah, Pearl….and add this….ALE is ‘ordinarily’ not so open with media during an ongoing investigation. They don’t even allow their own island media to know what is going on. In other words, they keep it all quiet to themselves. I know I read this somewhere about how ALE operates to the exclusion of media and when they finally do mention anything they only give initials of the persons involved. YET…they LET American TV come in and make as big a scene as they wanted to about this case. Why?

And they let the family, friends of the family, Tim Miller, that other searcher person whose name I can’t recall who brought a dog team, all follow alledged leads to ‘help’ ALE find ‘the girl’, but they didn’t let the obvious help, that being the FBI.

They have quite a nerve saying we are making such a fuss over ‘one missing girl’. Seems to me THEY were making a bigger fuss over it by allowing things to get out of control off on a certain path while ALE and/or those who needed the diversion did what they had to do to make it impossible to find Natalee.

Don’t forget that Dave pretty much said to Paulus that if he just told him where his baby was he’d not even try to press charges; he just wanted her back dead or alive. To which Paulus answered that he couldn’t do that to his delicious sporter. I’ve never quite been able to grasp what Paulus meant by that….I mean Dave was willing to let all charges go….it’s obvious ALE etc aren’t interested in charging Joran with anything….Paulus at that point did NOT say he didn’t know so he couldn’t help….Paulus just didn’t want to do THAT to Joran…what was he talking about?

disgustedmom on
July 11th, 2007 12:13 pm

Hey group! Here’s a new thought….what was Paulus’s second son up to that night? (don’t know what his name is but it was the one also up late on the computer that night) Could this one, who is coming of age to be ‘sexually active’ and who has been seen in pictures with ‘the pimps’, be involved?

This thought just occurred to me after I typed that part about Paulus not wanting to do that to his ‘son’. As I recall Paulus did not say Joran. He said ‘his son’. And Vander straaten said he couldn’t do that to his best friend’s son. Always with the son crap. Joran was a known problem child. The other one, they may have thought they could save by covering this up. And in that latest interview with Paulus not so long ago, it was that son that was concerned that his dad not talk in case he might ‘say too much’. We talk about Deepak ‘wanting to keep Satish out of this’ per Deepak’s insistence. What if that was a tradeoff for keeping Joran’s younger brother out of it?

SUPER DAVE on
July 11th, 2007 1:37 pm

#117: yes this was just another admission of guilt from the suspected daddy sloot. only to be ignored by the investigators. daddy and junior know exactly what happened to Natalee from the start and dutch law has helped them to continue to be free and stalk at will.

what i don’t understand is if the little fat gottenbos kid is in Georgia, why has he not interrogated ? surely a kid that sleeps with mommy and pees his pajamas would spew the truth pretty quickly.

There is too much information concerning Natalee’s disappearance; which are lies and which are truths?
I still keep wondering how much of a role Rene played in Natalee’s disappearance?
I still keep wondering where Robert Wayne Benson fits in the puzzle?
I tend to vacillate between two theories:
1: The pimps took her out of revenge. (Joran et. al.) to Lorenzo’s.
2: She was needed for a brothel in San Nicolas owned by Van der Straaten and Van der Sloot.
In either case I do not believe premeditated murder was involved; although actions committed were sufficient to warrant kidnapping, abandonment and man-slaughter.
I do not believe that any person involved with the circumstances were involved with disposing of Natalee. In this case someone had to be contacted to remove the body.
Now if Rene were involved and he was murdered to silence him; then I would go with cremation. This could go either way again. Since Rene worked at both the Industrial Incinerator in San Nicolas and The Oduber Hospital incinerator in Orangestad; cremation could have taken place at either city. Evidence of a crime scene could be Montana but then again San Nicolas. There are two main Funeral homes where Rene could work out of for cremation. Mementomori in Orangestad and Ad Patres in San Nicolas.
She, Natalee, could have been temporarily placed in a crypt either at St Ana in Montana or St Teresa in San Nicolas.
But then again if Rene where Christian and did not believe in cremation then he just might have buried her somewhere.
Paulus said he picked up Joran at McDonalds; but which one? There are three; two in Orangestad and one in Santa Cruz.
If in the north then Montana could be the crime scene.
If Santa Cruz; Lorenzo’s could be the crime scene.
Just what were the charges against those arrested?
Joran
Last seen with victim and lying.
Arrested later released
Deepak and Satish
Last seen with victim and lying.
Arrested and later released
Paulus van der Sloot
Arrested: lied on Statement: Released
Guido Wever
Arrested Heavy Battery and Released
Because of being gay(?)
Geoff van Cromvoirt
Questioned based on Michael Dompig’s
ratting on him.
Held for drugs and released
Freddy
Filming underage girls in compromising positions
and released.
Steve Croes
Lying to collaborate the JK2′s story and released.
Lorenzo
Questioned and released. Not on suspect chart.
Lorenzo recently
Drugs and ???????
AB ? could this be Adnin Bikker?
Questioned and released.
Keon Gottenbos
Questioned and released.
Jaime
Never arrested: questioned
Sanders Gottenbos
Never arrested: questioned
Michael Dompig
Never arrested nor questioned.
Santos ?
Never arrested or questioned
Andreas ?
Completely under the radar.

It is interesting to note that the only suspect that was not on Aruba when arrested and especially the charge of suspicion of heavy battery was GUIDO. No one else was held under that charge.
What lead to suspicion of those charges?

Stolen police laptop found back
Boy even the KPLD doing Natalee’s investigation are not safe on Aruba!!!!
ORANJESTAD – The laptop stolen from the home of a Dutch police official was found back. Two detectives of the Police Corps Aruba ( KPA ) traveled to the Dominican Republic to recover the laptop, which contains a whole lot of information on the criminality in Aruba and a strategic plan.

The stolen laptop belonged to an official of KPLD from the Netherlands . He is in Aruba since March to make a so-called ‘combat criminality’ analysis. The coordination is with the Public Prosecutor (OM). Janneke Ponsioen of the OM says that the data on the laptop is especially from public sources, like annual reports. The reason why the OM , the police, and the Detective Cooperative Team ( RST ) wanted the laptop back is according to her, the amount of time that was put into this analysis.

Up till now, five persons were arrested in this case and five houses were raided. In one of the homes it appears that a person had bought the laptop and taken it with other stolen goods to the Dominican Republic . The Dominican police have arrested this person.

With this investigation, the police have found a group of burglars with a permanent receiver. The investigation is being continued.

Pearl on
July 11th, 2007 7:56 pm

117, Digustedmom…there are reasons why, I believe they HAD to allow the US media onto the island.

Afterall, their game was to appear “transparent”.

In truth – they were anything but that.

What they did is more reflective of the game they were playing with lying to US officials concerning where things “stood” with the lie of all lies, the “investigation”.

THERE WAS NO INVESTIGATION.
It was all a SCAM.

They thought they could control the message, lie to the US media, tell them: “THE FBI IS WORKING CLOSELY WITH US” – and then they expected OUR FBI to sit back and not address this outrageous FALSEHOOD being perpetrated to the US MEDIA!

They came into the United States, WHILE BETH AND HER FAMILY WERE BEING LIED TO AND COMPLETELY MISLED, AND PROCEEDED TO STATE THAT THEY WERE MAKING ” GREAT PROGRESS”.
GUESS WHO HAD JUST BEEN ARRESTED, WHEN THEY CAME UP WITH THAT LINE?

THERE IS NO CONSICENCE ON THE PART OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO OBSTRUCTED THIS CHILD’S JUSTICE AND DENIED HER FAMILY FROM EVER SEEING THEIR BABY AGAIN.

There is no bottom to the level of barbaric conduct demonstrated by the corrupt individuals involved in OBSTRUCTING this child’s right to justice.

KLPD: WHEN WILL THIS BARBARIC CRUELTY END?

WHEN WILL YOU RELEASE THIS CHILD FROM BARBARIC “CONTAINMENT”?

WHEN WILL YOU SET NATALEE FREE TO BE BURIED IN HER OWN COUNTRY, AND UNDER THE LOVE AND TENDER CARE OF HER FAMILY?

WHEN WILL YOU ALLOW THIS POOR SUFFERING FAMILY TO BEGIN TO GRIEVE THE LOSS OF THEIR BABY?

END THIS TORMENT, NOW, KLPD.
STOP THE CONTAINMENT OF THE VICTIM, AND BEGIN THE CONTAINMENT OF HER MURDERERS!

There are some things I haven’t worked out, but what I believe is that Joran and the 2 K’s placed Natalee in plastic and put her in a dumpster. The video may have been taken before she was put in the dumpster. I’ll also sad to say, that she might have been alive when the video was taken. Someone told someone, that is the person who took the video or the person(s) taking the video were involved too.

What I believe Junior saw was indeed Paulus, Joran, and the two Ks searching the landfill. They probable picked up a blue swimming pool in the process. I don’t believe they found Natalee, but Junior saw an opportunity and jumped on it. That’s why he could not pass the lie detector test that Jamie S. gave him. He was telling some of the truth. He actually is rightfully entitled to the reward if they find Natalee in the landfill.

I don’t know how cooperative the powers that be were when Dave started his search. He had a lot of trouble getting any heavy equipment, and was hindered at every turn. Even locked out (80% sure ). While and when he was searching he landfill, there was a lot going on to distract him, and everyone seemed very nervous about him being there. Some of the worst troll attacks in the early stages were when the landfill and the dead were discussed. You decide.

The landfill is the most logical. Many bodies are found in the landfills. That is where they always seem to end up.

Jerry

Emilio Cortez on
August 12th, 2007 6:16 am

She is alive here in Columbia. She is my bosses main squeeze you see? She like our white powder so much now, she could never live with out and she is so skinny like my boss man likes. We have the money, we have the powder and we have her. now go away.
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SM: You appear to be from the Netherlands and you know all that long dististance? Is this you Joran? (klaasend)

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