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Re: Week 2 Game Thread

Well giving up 500 yards is pretty pathetic for a Baltimore Ravens defense. Plus they looked like they weren't there on the last Eagles drive with the game on the line. Ray Lewis looked old and I hope he just had a bad game.

That being said the Ravens win if not for the bad offensive pass interference call on the game winning TD throw by Joe.

Re: Week 2 Game Thread

When our gameplan wasn't working, we didn't adjust in the 2nd half. We flat out played like crap and looked like the same old Ravens but still could have won the game if we had some decent refs who could make the right calls. The TD callback and missing Vick's intentional grounding when sacked by Ngata are just two plays that come to mind. The game would have been ours. Having to play against the refs on game changing calls is pretty much an automatic loss. We also weren't bringing much pressure on Vick and he had lots of time in the pocket. Just a bad, bad game that leaves a very bad taste.

Re: Week 2 Game Thread

Originally Posted by Corey

Excuses. excuses. excuses. That was kind of the point. Flacco folded under pressure and even on plays when he wasn't under pressure he wasn't making good throws. You don't have to be Big Ben to find a solution for the pressure.

It wasn't about the pressure. His receivers were being man handled, held and draped all game.

Last edited by Jay D83; 09-16-2012 at 05:12 PM.
Reason: Evidently I don't know how to spell 'handled'

Re: Week 2 Game Thread

Originally Posted by Corey

Excuses. excuses. excuses. That was kind of the point. Flacco folded under pressure and even on plays when he wasn't under pressure he wasn't making good throws. You don't have to be Big Ben to find a solution for the pressure.

I'm chalking this up to overreaction from a tough game. This game was still 23-17 before Vick's last possession. At no point in this game were we playing from behind. The Eagles defense locked up the offense and no one could get anywhere. This doesn't all fall on Flacco's shoulders.

And let us not forget the refs taking 4 points from us, which would have made Vick's last possession a moot point anyway.

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No. The narrative would be that Joe played poorly, but recovered to pull the game out in the end. And that would be the truth. He did play poorly, but stepped up when he was needed.

Joe isn't going to avoid bad plays every single game. He's going to make mistakes and hurt the team. The problem with people's perception of Joe is that when he has a cold streak and throws a bunch of bad passes, those mistakes are seen as more significant than all the other mistakes in the game, so much so that they absolve the other players' failures.

If Michael Oher lets Trent Cole run right by him into the backfield, pressuring Joe before he gets to the top of his drop and the play finishes developing, that's a mistake, right? And if Joe throws a bad pass as a result of that pressure, then they both made mistakes, right?

That's all I'm saying. It's too much for some to hear.

Absolutely.

I wasn't execting a perfect game. Maybe the haters like Corey are.

But he did throw a TD late in the game to absolve for the poor play.

The defense played like shit ALL game. At least Flacco had bright spots.

Originally Posted by Corey

Excuses. excuses. excuses. That was kind of the point. Flacco folded under pressure and even on plays when he wasn't under pressure he wasn't making good throws. You don't have to be Big Ben to find a solution for the pressure.

Re: Week 2 Game Thread

Originally Posted by Corey

Were we watching the same first half? The Ravens were not nearly as up tempo as they were last week, not even in the first half.

Snapping the ball with about 15-20 seconds on the play clock vs huddling and then snapping the ball with the play clock at about 8 seconds is certainly a large variance in tempo, wouldn't you say? Secondly, by not huddling and lining up immediately it forced the Eagles to leave their guys out there and not substitute players nearly as much...ergo, their D got tired a lot quicker.

So, no, I think you were watching the game that supports the "Corey/Leachisabeast/I hate Flacco" argument where everything (regardless of whether or not the defense was on the field) is either entirely Flacco's fault, Harbaugh's fault, or some combination of that.

I get it. You guys say the same thing every week.

Trying to define a win or a loss in absolutes is almost always going to miss things. For example, you claim Flacco missed a wide open Pitta in the end zone, but you fail to even recognize that Derek Landri (Eagles DT) was a free runner right at Flacco and forced Flacco to throw off of his back foot. Almost any QB who can't step into a throw is going to lose a significant amount of accuracy and power.

Re: Week 2 Game Thread

The single biggest thing that lost this game for the Ravens - the coaching. Yes Flacco played terrible and the scabs were terrible but the single greatest reason is coaching and play calling on both offense and defense. When your RB has 9 carries for 95 yds and your defense was on the field the entire first half what do you do? Well the Ravens throw 8 straight passes and 12 passes of the first 15 plays of the 3rd quarter. If your averaging 9 yds a carry what do you do on 3rd and 1 or 3rd and 2? Well the Ravens pass the ball. Four times in this game they had 3rd and 1 or 3rd and 2 and passed. Inexcusable! When you have 3 quality corners who can defend man on man what do you do? The Ravens play a loose zone with dead areas all over the place. Sorry everyone, as bad as Joe looked today if the coaches had any idea of game situation the Ravens win this game by 10+ points.

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What was personal about my last post (just asking really)?

All I said that the haters were now trying to say with their ridiculous stance of "pressure on passes do not affect the throw" was ludicrous - and to stand by that logic, would lead me to question an individual's mental prowess.

Re: Week 2 Game Thread

Originally Posted by admartian

What was personal about my last post (just asking really)?

All I said that the haters were now trying to say with their ridiculous stance of "pressure on passes do not affect the throw" was ludicrous - and to stand by that logic, would lead me to question an individual's mental prowess.

That was all.

It is what came afterwards that is not accepted here. Any further questions please PM.

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No. The narrative would be that Joe played poorly, but recovered to pull the game out in the end. And that would be the truth. He did play poorly, but stepped up when he was needed.

Joe isn't going to avoid bad plays every single game. He's going to make mistakes and hurt the team. The problem with people's perception of Joe is that when he has a cold streak and throws a bunch of bad passes, those mistakes are seen as more significant than all the other mistakes in the game, so much so that they absolve the other players' failures.

If Michael Oher lets Trent Cole run right by him into the backfield, pressuring Joe before he gets to the top of his drop and the play finishes developing, that's a mistake, right? And if Joe throws a bad pass as a result of that pressure, then they both made mistakes, right?

That's all I'm saying. It's too much for some to hear.

No he didn't.

Despite all the shit that happened in that game, he had a chance to win it when needed.