Contributed by: AubinAubin(others by this writer | submit your own)Published on June 7th 2005Well, it was bound to happen; all these hardcore bands running around dressed like glam rockers sans the teased hair had to inevitably lead to a return to the music that spawned that same fashion. Until now, the bands have sounded like short-haired mosh-metal, but the clothing has been decidedly gla.

Well, it was bound to happen; all these hardcore bands running around dressed like glam rockers sans the teased hair had to inevitably lead to a return to the music that spawned that same fashion. Until now, the bands have sounded like short-haired mosh-metal, but the clothing has been decidedly glam. Certainly, the hardcore scene of the past was rife with machismo and the violent crews and straight edge riots did nothing but encourage the testostorone-fueled antics of the more fanatical members of the scene. But at some point, the tide began to turn. Suddenly a vibrant and vital music scene that had been hijacked by the worst stereotype of jock swung to the opposite extreme; it became effeminate, delicate even.

Relegated to the memories of older scenesters were the memories of kids in fake furs being pummmeled at Earth Crisis shows; instead, the faux fur would emerge as a symbol of the most forward-thinking fashionista. The natural consequence of this? Avenged Sevenfold and their City Of Evil.

I suppose what I'm saying is that you can't really fault Avenged Sevenfold for their chosen genre of music. The kids wanted to look like glam rock; they wanted the major labels, the cash and teenaged groupies of glam rock. Eventually someone was bound to put two-and-two together and ask why they were bothering with this whole hardcore thing when they could just save time by singing like Guns'n'Roses and playing like Guns'n'Roses. And the "Guns'n'Roses-core" of Avenged Sevenfold is not ironic; in interviews they speak lividly of "markets" and focused demographics; undoubtedly, they will be tracking their soundscan numbers from the luxury of a plush, major label bus as they make their rounds to the Warped Tour, playing to kids who weren't old enough to remember Axl Rose. No, Avenged Sevenfold has fully immersed themselves in the heavy fuckin' metal of 1985, and expect all the trapping that it could bring.

Accordingly, while the failed auteur of Chinese Democracy is certainly the first name that springs to mind when listening to City Of Evil, comparisons to Alice In Chains' decidedly more metal Facelift are also deserved. Vocalist M. Shadows sounds eerily like the late Layne Staley, particularly on "Burn It Down." Almost completely boiled away are the Thrice comparions which dogged their first full-length, replaced instead with what I imagine will be endless kudos from the British metal press; the band conjures up Iron Maiden far more than Bad Religion this time around. Harmonized leads, endless soloing and cover art which could have been borrowed from a long forgotten 80's hair metal album; it's all here.

Besides the overwhelming power metal cheese of the band -- which may or may not be a strike against them depending on your perspective -- there are some decidedly more objective problems with the record; the first is certainly the overwhelming length of many of the songs. While it is possible to write an effective song at longer than five minutes, it is remarkably difficult for Avenged Sevenfold to do so while mantaining any semblance of a theme and still keeping things interesting; far too much of the material on the record stretches far beyond any measure of patience, often reusing bridges, choruses and ideas haphazardly.

The frustratingly catchy "Blinded in Chains" starts strong, but falters simply because of the sheer endurance as the song seemingly repeats itself for about three minutes before finally finding its footing. At more than six minutes, one wonders why the band didn't consider ending the song about halfway through; instead, a catchy opening is forgotten as they trudge aimlessly through the song.

"Seize The Day" is clearly the band's most obvious scrounging of Guns'n'Roses, complete with a nearly-plagarized melody layered over a piano and a guitarist soloing in what I imagine is a top hat. The seven-minute "Sidewinder" begins with a solid, shredding riff, but the eventual caterwaulling vocals which accompany it deaden any of it's power.

Avenged Sevenfold has pulled off a remarkable transformation over their few records; gone almost entirely is the screaming, the growling and other vocal cartwheels at which M.Shadows admittedly excelled; in its place are songs that place a remarkable amount of pressure on his singing voice. At times, he succeeds, and at other times his Axl Rose imitation falls short. The band has strayed so far from hardcore that it becomes incredibly difficult to rate it; as a hardcore, punk or even metalcore record, it is a decided failure, choosing all the self-indulgent noodling that inspired bands like the Ramones and Minor Threat to do something different. On the other hand, as a attempt at power metal, it succeeds on nearly all counts. All the elements of the genre are in place and done surprisingly well.

Now i know most people felt like me when this album came out, the seemingly good band that seemed to have their head in the right place totally betrayed their fan base by going mainstream and trying to make more money. as my friend said, he saw the video for bat country and was like "WTF happened, they went all pretty boi and $hit"

we tried to listen all the way through, but couldnt due to the complete flip-flop that they did, as i said before, Waking the Fallen is probably the best they will ever do.

but a few years later after their fourth album, i listened to it again and found i actually enjoyed listening to it! to this day i do not understand why, but going from being able to barley listen to a song one, to loving the whole album through and through has never happend.

From the dramatic intro of the beast and the harlot, to the up beat, Fear and loathing las vegas inspired Bat Country, and the heart felt closing of M.I.A. it is def a very well put together album, and one that should be recognized as such.

but ultimately this album falls short of the electricity they once had, and is replaced with an attitude that reminds one of a pretty rich boy.

there's no denying the technical prowess of avenged sevenfold, but overly self-indulgent "epics" combined with ear-grating vocals and middle school grade lyricism make city of evil a chore to listen to.

this cd is amazing. synyster gates is the best guiterist ever! the rev is also a great drummer. jhonny christ is a good bassist. m. shadows is a good singer. zhacky vengence good rythm guitar. amazing solos, strengh of the world and m.i.a. are the best songs! 4 1/2 starz

this cd is amazing. synyster gates is the best guiterist ever! the rev is also a great drummer. jhonny christ is a good bassist. m. shadows is a good singer. zhacky vengence good rythm guitar. amazing solos, strengh of the world and m.i.a. are the best songs! 4 1/2 starz

this cd is amazing. synyster gates is the best guiterist ever! the rev is also a great drummer. jhonny christ is a good bassist. m. shadows is a good singer. zhacky vengence good rythm guitar. amazing solos, strengh of the world and m.i.a. are the best songs! 4 1/2 starz

this cd is amazing. synyster gates is the best guiterist ever! the rev is also a great drummer. jhonny christ is a good bassist. m. shadows is a good singer. zhacky vengence good rythm guitar. amazing solos, strengh of the world and m.i.a. are the best songs! 4 1/2 starz

This is the best CD ever. People who are always bad mouthing it obviously don't even understand the nature of the songs. Seize The Day was a heartfelt song about love, not meant to be judged by riffs and rocker techniques. Avenged Sevenfold prevails because it gives new and unique music in a wave of music that sounds just like the next. Every time you hear Avenged Sevenfold, they stand out. And if people can't understand that that is what they are going for, then that's your loss. Your judging them by how they sound compared to mindless bands who get their ideas from listening to the radio. If you don't like the song, don't listen to it. But I think Avenged Sevenfold needs to keep doing what they're doing.

there are no words to describe how much i hate this band. good god! how can you kids actually enjoy this? it is nauseating how generic and over the top this band has become. i must be missing their redeeming qualities. otherwise, all i can say is that you fans are lost. unquestionably and hopelessly lost.

The music isn't exactly bad, but it may need a touch of old-school hardcore sense in the beats....the speedy feeling of their beats leaves you w/the same feeling of My Chemical Romance's music: soft punk w/potential to get even harder and aggressive if they want it.....nevertheless, A7X does a good job....

um...i kinda like it. I heard bat country on the radio the other day and really liked the song, so i downloaded the album. i'm definitely a punk person for the most part. I listen to plenty of other music, but punk has always been a constant. anyway i'm normally really not into the whole power metal thing but i'm diging this album. maybe i'll wake up tomorrow and wonder what the fuck i was thinking, but right now i get it.

um...i kinda like it. I heard bat country on the radio the other day and really liked the song, so i downloaded the album. i'm definitely a punk person for the most part. I listen to plenty of other music, but punk has always been a constant. anyway i'm normally really not into the whole power metal thing but i'm diging this album. maybe i'll wake up tomorrow and wonder what the fuck i was thinking, but right now i get it.

hey pplz..... this album is pretty good. And the people who think that this album was crap so they are just gona give the band away r idiots. Yea, so in ur opinion they made a bad album SO. It doesnt mean that they r shit all of a sudden. This album was pretty good and the best song on the album is bat country. And because im a guitarist i understand and appreciate music more then other ppl hoo dont. I havnt been into avenged sevenfold for ages but i have heard there albums and the kick ass so dont dis em....

VVV this is no better than limp bizkit. good musicians can still make very shitty music and here is a prime example. plus other than the band as a whole (which stands for shit anyways) the people behind it all are some of the worst people the music community has ever seen and these are just people trying to milk an art form for all its worth. fuck them.

VVV this is no better than limp bizkit. good musicians can still make very shitty music and here is a prime example. plus other than the band as a whole (which stands for shit anyways) the people behind it all are some of the worst people the music community has ever seen and these are just people trying to milk an art form for all its worth. fuck them.

This is a band that catches a lot of crap from the metal community due to airplay and their image, but I think they have a sound that can appeal to fans of metal and more mainstream music. Despite what I think of them as people (They are pretty much assholes) and their career decisions (changed their image to appease the label), this is a good record. Very nice guitar work and drumming throughout, but Shadows' voice is a little spotty - but hey, so was Axel Rose's (who he obviously mimics). Like it or not, they're here to stay for a few years (hey, it could be worse - we could still be having Limp Bizkit forced down our throats). Best tracks are "The Wicked End" and "Strength of the World."

I personally think this is the best fucking album by a7x yet. Walking the Fallen and sounding the seventh trumpet were good but they got annoying after awhile, mainly because M. Shadows wasn't really that great at screaming

Anonymous (June 16, 2006)

I personally think this is the best fucking album by a7x yet. Walking the Fallen and sounding the seventh trumpet were good but they got annoying after awhile, mainly because M. Shadows wasn't really that great at screaming

Anonymous (June 16, 2006)

I personally think this is the best fucking album by a7x yet. Walking the Fallen and sounding the seventh trumpet were good but they got annoying after awhile, mainly because M. Shadows wasn't really that great at screaming

They bascally dont care that the old fans like their music or not becuse they now have so many other fans so yea-they basically gave you the middle finger because most of the old fans dont like thier new stuff i love it!!!!!

Anonymous (May 3, 2006)

dude... bro... you are totally right! i love listening to this album while im doing my hair, or shopping for new jeans, and some times when im working on my truck but its kinda hard to rock out under my truck... wait no it's not its 12 feet of the ground. douchebags.

Anonymous (May 3, 2006)

This album is the best.Dude screw all the haters of Avenged SevenFold. I think M.Shadows is a bad-ass vocalist. But everythiny else is bad. In the good-way.

And I'll even admit I was once a HUGE a7x fan... but with the release of this album, the AP interview where M. Shadows pretty much gave their old fans the middle finger, AND the fact that they refuse to play their old shit live--- the very music that GOT them the Warner deal... all i've got to say is, FUCK YOU... you can HAVE the trl crowd and the shit reviews... you've earned it, anyway.

Anonymous (April 22, 2006)

wattup

Anonymous (April 19, 2006)

im in love with this band. i listen to their songs every day. its just that you fags dont know how much talent the guitar and drum players are in the band.

this album deserves a 10

Anonymous (April 18, 2006)

Nope disagree. You have to admit the guitaring is good and still has some catchy and interesting riffs and especialy solos

Anonymous (April 12, 2006)

How low do we have to fight here eh? Talkin' shit is all you guys can do to each other. Remember that originality is the only way anyone will open their mind to a different style of music. Yeah there is harder stuff and softer stuff, but that's what it should come down too, and Avenged sevenfold has a good mixture of that, so that's how I view their musicianship instead of sitting pathetically behind a computer screne and complain. Inspire yourself and learn what it means to be a musician, than you won't talk shit anymore.

Anonymous (March 27, 2006)

this album is pretty good, the older stuff is great however. It is sad to see that this band now has so many 14 year old fat hot topic pig girls as fans. I know it is bound to happen when you make it to the otherside, but it is still very hard to watch happen to ax7.

Anonymous (March 27, 2006)

I'm a metalhead, so my bias is towards this album over their older stuff...It's not something I'd listen to as much as I do Skyclad or Iron Maiden, but it's anthemetic, catchy, and heavy as Hell...As for the cheese factor, I like Manowar, so I can tolerate any level of cheese.

hey, same guy who left the last comment......all those who bitch that avenged sold out and that M. Shadow's voice is like axel rose should probably learn their shit...Shadows had to get vocal implants because he blew his own out trying to scream to make you pussies happy...notice the lack of screaming on this album....so abandon now, because guys are making money and you freeload off your parents

Anonymous (March 8, 2006)

ok...now being an avenged fan for a few years now i can agree that i much more enjoy their old stuff (Waking The Fallin may be one of the top 10 albums of all time) but come on, this new shit isn't as terrible as you guys make it out to be....just cause the band doesn't play the same shit over and over again, some of you dumbasses out there want to say that a7x is shit....well to all you closed minded children who sit in your rooms and rock out hard core to only metal music while your mom calls you down for dinner, i suggest that if you don't like the album get off the review and stop listening if its "as bad as NFG and Guns and Roses"....on top of all that, go to an avenged concert and call their fans pussies there..then we shall find out who the *true* posers are...

:-)

p.s. M. Shadows (their vocalists to all the dumbasses who don't know and say he sucks) will kill you and your sister

Avenged Sevenfold were good. The operative word being 'were'. Why did they start singing jock rock?
Some people call it melodicore, I call it hair metal.
Honestly, 'Bat Country' sounds so bad, it could be by Guns and Roses.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to listen to 'Remenissions'.

Anonymous (February 28, 2006)

Damn, it's music people, all a matter of opinion. As a guitarist it is easy to appreciate the talent a7x's have. Some of the songs are pretty cool. Just an easy to listen to album in my opinion. Some of you should check out Maylene and the Sons of Disaster though, because they are a really good new band.

You know what's bull shit Is all these stupid fuck's who have to talk shit on bands and put anonymous as there name. Well there the dumb ass's for taking time to talk shit on the band that they dont like. If they dont like it then get the fuck out. This is the shit. you dont see us going out of our way to go talk shit on your band. fucken stupid faggot's

This is one of there best albums I suggest you go out and get this cd and beat the hell out of someone.

Anonymous (February 26, 2006)

i found a moron and he is beneath me... *whisper* 1 comment below

Anonymous (February 26, 2006)

Fucking mallcore garbage. I can't wait til these guys go on tour with Good Charlotte, maybe we can have some Great White action and wipe out a) some shitty bands and b) their goddamn poser fans.

Anonymous (February 25, 2006)

what the fuck is up with the guns and roses dude how can you compare these 2 bands?? are you stupid or something?? next thing i know is that you are comparing how NFG is as punk as bad religion what a moron get a fucking clue

Anonymous (February 25, 2006)

OMG!!! you guys only know how to whinne?????? for fuke sakes go listen to your pop punk jesus fucking christ!!! i bet jesus is up there reading this and laughing his head off "pathetic poseurs that think what they like is cool and punk" fuck a doodle doo... morons
this band is awesome and for the first time, im listening to something different from those 3 riffs and talking about girls and politics and it's better than those fucking bands you guys listen that are over rated anyways. and sum dude compared NFG to A7X... thats just stooopid but what ever... they're gonna keep making albums and for you all i hope you listen to it on the radio and on mtv so many times that you end up killing your selves!!!! peace bitches

dude wht ive heard of the album was ok, but the shredding was deffinatley the best part.....did n/e one eles pay attion to tht guitar tht was liek white w/ the blood lookin stains all over it in the vid for ''beast and the harlot'' it was fuckin awsome

I love Avenged Sevenfold. I love this album. Fuck all these haters who chose to remain anonymous and say "fuck a7x", when all they really are, are pussys. =]

Anonymous (February 17, 2006)

ohhhh myyy gaaaaaaaddddd that motherfucker can not sing. F

Anonymous (February 15, 2006)

this alblum is awesome! every song from start to finish is excellent. this cd is going to be a classic. Every song through the cd is better than the last. They have truly come along way considering their old stuff sucks ass majorly! if they keep it up they will be one of the best bands out i believe. its all about Avenged Sevenfold now. This style is original and i dont think any other band could come close to them in the alternative metal genre if they tried!

Anonymous (February 9, 2006)

fuck you all

Anonymous (February 9, 2006)

fuck this band

Anonymous (February 7, 2006)

I like this band alot most of there songs are great.

Anonymous (February 7, 2006)

I like this band alot most of there songs are great.

Anonymous (February 4, 2006)

this album f****** rocks!!!!!!

Anonymous (February 3, 2006)

well i accually think the A7X's City of Evil is a great album. my friends and I have all agreed that we can put that cd in and listen to every song and not have the intention of turning a song or switching cds. I think you people should listen up and accually turn up your stereos and listen to the music, and M. Shadows has probally one of the best voices out today. Their drum lines by The Rev are awesome. I don't want to forget about their amazing guitar lines by Zacky V and Synester Gates. This band is by far the best live band I have ever seen. I saw them twice at this past years Warped Tour and i was amazed at every set. Their energy was off the charts.

this album reminds me way too much of axl rose.. i despise axl rose and his horrible voice. too bad.. A7X was one of my favourite bands.. this album is a disgrace to all of their hardcore/metalcore fans.. sellout anyone?

My friend has an a7x tattoo, and now because of this peice of shit, which is exactly what the band has become, he is ashamed of it. if i could give this a zero, i would.
Can anyone say sellout?
and to think i gave this album a chance

My friend has an a7x tattoo, and now because of this peice of shit, which is exactly what the band has become, he is ashamed of it. if i could give this a zero, i would.
Can anyone say sellout?
and to think i gave this album a chance

My friend has an a7x tattoo, and now because of this peice of shit, which is exactly what the band has become, he is ashamed of it. if i could give this a zero, i would.
Can anyone say sellout?
and to think i gave this album a chance

Anonymous (January 25, 2006)

man, im just now getting into A7X and damn, i have to say i am impressed, bitchen guitar licks, and awsome lyrics. im with guy, though, if you dont like em, stfu, let the people who do enjoy them. oh, ive heard Every Time I Die, and you cant understand half of what they say, i find it hard to believe that laidtowaist thinks that they are better than A7X. granted opinions are like assholes, and everyones got one. doesnt mean that that you have to show your gaping brown eye to everyone else. i personaly enjoy music where the singers speech is inteligable

Anonymous (January 16, 2006)

a7x is the best weither u like it or not

Anonymous (January 13, 2006)

Ok, so to all the bitches who don't know shit about music. So Avenged Sevenfold got a new sound, HAVE A FUCKIN CRY! Shadows burst a vessel in his neck and can't scream, they can't just get a new guy, he's been with the band since back in the 90's before they hit anything big. They're new stuff, although different than the normal hardcore metal, has incredible musical talent and they should be praised for being able to do that. I'd like to see some of the pussies below me write anything 1/1000 as good as A7X is doing. And incase you unbelievers haven't noticed, A7X is toootallly owning the American metal business. They have sell outs everywhere they go weeks before they even get there. So if you don't like them, "to each his/her own", but if you don't like them, shut your fucking mouth and let those of us who do enjoy them. God people, if you don't like it don't whine about it, we don't wanna hear your shit.

Anonymous (January 7, 2006)

i absolutely love avenge sevenfold...expecially the song bat country! its awesome...and whoever doesnt like it will eventually get over it! (rachel) :) i love you!

Anonymous (January 7, 2006)

i love avenge sevenfold...bat country rocks!!!
love ya,
rachel

Anonymous (January 5, 2006)

Fuck that shit, the only person that sucks my balls is my girlfriend.
You piece of shit.

[In the Hebrew Bible](quick facts) Beast & The Harlot;
Revelation 17:1-7 ''With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast..'
'having seven heads and ten horns..'
'BABYLON THE GREAT..'

simply only explaining the fist song on their new cd, City of Evil - Beast & The Harlot.

Im sure that you could look into what Avenged Sevenfold is singing about, whether it be suicide, burning in hell or love, whatever. Its not always about the music, dip shits. Listen to what they are singing about, or just fuck off.
If you like their music, fine, if you dont, fine, but if you dont even listen to them and just feel that you're going to be fucking cool and 'go with the flow' whatever the fuck you'd want that to be, and start dissing a band that you've never heard of, nor listened to, just go get a life, maybe look into checking out what band that is, but in this case, that would be Avenged Sevenfold.

You people. alright. agreed, avenged sevenfold is strangely reminiscent of an early 80s metal band. but they write good lyrics, they put their music together well, their guitar players are pretty decent, and if they were walking through the mall they could probably get a blow-job from your little sister. so quit talking shit and pick up your guitar and show them they suck, oh and keep practicing. until then go work your 50 grand a year jobs and resume plotting on taking over the world of metal, while theyre doing it right in front of your face.

Anonymous (December 15, 2005)

Waking the Fallen was awesome, City of Evil is just as good. Sometimes different is better.

"all of the fag asses that talk shit on R7X need to shut the fuck up or make a better c.d. this is the best band in the world and even that,s an understatement! if you want to talk shit come see me personally at 1602 gwen RD. mckinlyville CA."

Are you fucking serious? So this is the best band in the world, but its an understatement huh? I dont think i've ever heard of R7X....is there a band named Revenged Sevenfold? Or is that just what you think this band is named? and okay...yeah i'll met you there and ask for Mr. Anonymous...your a joke

what a waste of time and money... and well... i think these guys need to be discontinuedas a band. they might get alot of hot girls... but that doesn't mean they're good... it means they make their music to get laid, not to have fun. oh yeah... all you a7x fans that shop at hot topic, please just don't bother anymore, i pulled their shit from the shelves along with hawthorne

Anonymous (December 12, 2005)

all of the fag asses that talk shit on R7X need to shut the fuck up or make a better c.d. this is the best band in the world and even that,s an understatement! if you want to talk shit come see me personally at 1602 gwen RD. mckinlyville CA.

the fact that the lead singer can't sing like he used to further proves my point that this band sucks. Everyone just needs to stop kissing there asses

Anonymous (December 8, 2005)

Your a fucking idiot!!.....Avenged sevenfold is its own music not to be compared to any music genre......you dont need to place it in metal or punk or any other category.....they are there own category.......the length of there songs is the best part........i wish there songs would never end........you just cant appreciate good music and really shouldnt be writing articles based on your dumb ass opinion........you did nothing but talk shit about this band who's music is the best music I have ever heard.......dumb ass!

Anonymous (December 5, 2005)

You wanna know why M Shadows doesn't scream anymore? He had to get surgery on his throat fucker. He can't scream all the time anymore.
A7X rox and no one can deny it!

Anonymous (December 5, 2005)

You wanna know why M Shadows doesn't scream anymore? He had to get surgery on his throat fucker. He can't scream all the time anymore.
A7X rox and no one can deny it!

We'll stop comparing them to GnR when they stop sounding and acting like them.

Anonymous (November 19, 2005)

City of Evil is a brilliant piece of work. Easy to judge something new and fresh... I dont think there's a single band out there that sounds like Avenged Sevenfold right now. With the Fall Out Boy's and MCR's, it all sounds like regurgitated crap. Avenged Sevenfold have made an incredible transition. Stop comparing them to Guns n Roses, Iron Maiden, Metallica - whatever; they are their own and let's leave it at that.

Anonymous (November 15, 2005)

This CD was the Best Of Avenged SevenFold it was as Good as Iron Maiden, Megadeth, and Metallica mixed together.
City of Evil rocked!!!

this album is the best album of all time!!! i love all of the songs on the album. all of you pozurs can kiss my a$$! Everyone in the band looks sooooo hotttt! (esapecially zacky!!!) i love A7X forever Rock On!!!

BEST. COMMENT. EVER.

Anonymous (November 12, 2005)

Anyone who says this cd is awesome obviously has no clue what they're talking about.
City Of Evil has some catchy parts and the bandihas skills but they have lost all of their edge and the songs turn to crap after 3-4 minutes.
Sadly i've witnessed their degression for the last 3 years or so, i was so hyped about CoE but was sadly disapointed. I want the old A7X back, not this metalcore? boyband
Ditch M.

Anonymous (November 11, 2005)

this album is the best album of all time!!! i love all of the songs on the album. all of you pozurs can kiss my a$$! Everyone in the band looks sooooo hotttt! (esapecially zacky!!!) i love A7X forever Rock On!!!

Anonymous (November 11, 2005)

This album is so great, did anyone who says shit about A7X did even listen to M.I.A entirely, to The Wicked End and to strenght of the world??? Men, come on guys, I don't know a fuckin metal band that is aibable to do so great music. Listen to Sinister Gates with his guitard...that guy is amazing...

I'm sooooooooooo sorry for you punk Fan, but the first one from A7X was shit, since Wakling the fallen and with city of Evil, A7X become someone...the next Mettalica or the next ACDC!!!

For those who loved the first one, what did you liked from it? musicality of it I suppose...Now, they just keep playing so well and they are showing their talent...And that's all I got to say about that!

Anonymous (November 9, 2005)

I was very pleased with this record. I love all their CD's. I think musical change is good and keeps people into it. Who wants to keep hearing more of the same? Besides I also sing for a metal band and understand the bullshit that singers have to go through when dealing with screaming/singing. When you scream you are @ high risk for vocal nodules and polyps as well as what M.Shadow had, burst blood vessel. These are not issues you want to deal with.. So from one singer to another I totally feel the guy on wanted to reinvent the sound.. it really isnt worth it. Take a pair of pliers and tighten them around your vocal chords, cut your speaking volume in half, and then add a shitload of rasp.. It really sucks. But anyway, this album really shocked me. It was original and it was well written. I still enjoy the screaming vocals of the other records but I am open minded enough to accept this is an amazing piece of music. You guys kick ass =D

Anonymous (November 3, 2005)

i want to have m. shadows baby.....not only one ...plenty of them....i'm not really thinking about the kids im just thinking about "the making of the kids"........(wild animal sex)

Anonymous (November 3, 2005)

Bat country RAWKS !!! Who ever doesn't like avenge sevenfold is full of #^$%^#$%^%

Five months since this cd came out and it's still the favorite for my cd of the year.

I don't understand people who liked their last two cd's yet hate this one. I really liked their last two cd's but this one is absolutely brilliant. I am a fan of melodic music, not screaming. I can't believe some people can actually say they don't like this cd just because there's no screaming. The combination of catchy melodic hooks with extremely technical music on this cd is above and beyond anything I've ever heard before.

I've never listened to Iron Maiden or any of those glam metal bands from the 80's, so obviously I can't hear any influences there. But the influences I do hear is a perfect mix of Bad Religion and Strung Out(my two favorite bands). I've been waiting for a sound that combines those two styles and now I've found them.

Anonymous (October 20, 2005)

I saw these guys last night live and they sound just as good if not better live than on the record. the guitars completely kick buttholes. the drummer has like a huge set it's awesome i took a picture of it. i like the way that they don't care about the audience whatsoever you shoulda seen their faces they were expressionless. the harmonizing they do in Bat Country kills too. woot.

City of evil is horrible. What are they trying to do with their music? Getting better is the last thing on their list...

Anonymous (September 26, 2005)

This record sucks. Compare these songs with darkness surrounding or chapter 4.when i heard for the first time a7x i just loved them.but now there is nothing to make me feel the same way in this cd. And for the guys that said that mr shadow cant sing anymore...he can sing but a7x are now in a major label.FUCK

Anonymous (September 18, 2005)

why would this pile of shit have so many comments?
Fear and Loathing is greatness and these assholes made a song about it not cool....
New AFI=My chemical Romance=avenged sevenfold=atreyu
Dillenger Escape Plan will murder them

Anonymous (September 17, 2005)

this is so bad that it makes me want to punch a baby

Anonymous (September 15, 2005)

for all you little bitches, who are you to judge someone elses music and say it sucks, if you dont like it, make somthing better don't bash someones work because you dont like it

Anonymous (September 3, 2005)

Well, some of this shit sucks, but Bat Country is great and the video is even better. Gotta love the whole Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas thing.

Anonymous (August 27, 2005)

reading these fucking comments is such a waste of time. if you like a type of music you like it, if you don't, then you don't. all we're doing here is posting our worthless feedback on some shitty website filled with even more useless and uninformative articles based on others tastes in music. so take this instance in all your worthless lives to think: hmmm... will this shit matter later or even now in life? because if you seriously think that to yourselves you'll find that new music is going all to shit really fast these days because of people branding certain bands as "cool" and "lame", sometimes without even hearing the album and going by their scene's taste of music, feeling all to unwilling to make choices for your own damn self. personally, I love the new m. shadows, but does that really make a fucking difference in the way you all think now? hell no it doesn't or at least it shouldn't. so why the hell should we be listening to whatever the retards below me have posted?

"As revolutionry as Nirvana." -no.
"As talented as Dream Theater."-no.
"As progressive as Metallica."-is that supposed to be ironic?
"As diverse as GNR."-um.
"As real as can be- what more could you want?"-a good original band.
"Thank you A7X"-no, thank you fan boy.

If those bands are so good listen to them and not some weak imitation crap.

lane staley's family should be paid by all of lead singers who have ripped off his style.

Anonymous (August 22, 2005)

Oh yeah, and wtf is up with people saying "13 & 14 teenage girls" im 13... so whats the big deal, i love a7x. I know tons of people my age that dont like them... they dont ever know what a7x is. and i know tons of people who love this CD who are 17-45. seriuosly.

http://vitiated-romance.net

Anonymous (August 22, 2005)

Well First off, Anyone who says M.Shadows cant sing anymore is full of BS. Just because he doesnt scream doesnt mean he doesnt have an awsome voice. He have fuking Surgery on his throat because he Busted a Blood Vessel. And his doctor or what said if he kept screaming like that, he'd lose his voice by 30. and hes 24 now. So umm, No voice at all, or still singing after 30. Lets think here. Dumbasses. If you dont like the way m sings or scream or whatever the hell he does, GO OUT AND DO IT YOURSELFS. dumbasses.

If you want to comment me back or whatever, my site is http://vitiated-romance.net.

Anonymous (August 10, 2005)

What can I say about this album? First of all, there is no doubt Vengeance and Gates are excellent guitarists and have carried their musical talent from the older discs into this one. I was disappointed to find a lack of screaming and realizing the vocals of some parts of songs (such as Betrayal, Missing In Action, and even the chorus of, in my opinion, the best song of the album Beast and the Harlot) began to sound, dare I say it... emo... Don't get me wrong! M. Shadows is a great vocalist and has enough to prove it (e.g. Desecrate Through Reverence off Waking the Fallen). However, this IS MY opinion and MY review, and I do happen to listen to emo, but I just didn't expect I would associate the term with A7X. The lyrics are definitely metal, seeming to draw inspiration from Iron Maiden and Metallica, but it's just the way the lyrics are sung. The album includes a lot of other genres like pop and goth and such, but, hopefully, A7X can find a neater way to blend them all together. City of Evil isn't a terrible album, but it isn't the most amazing one either. So, in the middle, 2 1/2 stars.

Anonymous (August 5, 2005)

not sayin you all are dumb fucks but for the people bashin m.shadows vocals and the cd band you should be glad they came out with another cd. The vocals arent as good cause he popped a blood vessel in his throat so he cant scream sure most of u knew this. but i just seen them live and best band i ever saw live. the recordings live were kinda lame for the old shit but they seemed to pull it off all the same but ide have to say best band ive ever seen live.

Anonymous (August 2, 2005)

i guess i'm in the minority here but i bought the last album and thought all the screaming was cheesy and generic not the metal riffs. i liked better when the guy actually sang. i liked the album but didn't think i'd be buying the new one... until i heard "bat country." fuck me that's a good song. the guy is singing and the music is pure power metal. look i'm almost 30 years old (in the minority again, i'm sure) and i grew up on this type of music. i still listen to my Helloween albums on a regular basis. i just bought the album and i'm listening to it for the first time as i type this and i'm loving it. i guess i can understand some people being bitter that the group is no longer "punk/hardcore/metalcore/whatever" i used to feel the same way when i was younger. feeling like a band you loved has changed and turned their back on the scene that supported them but i really think this is where avenged sevenfold belong. to these ears this album doesn't sound as forced as 'waking the fallen.' they sound confident and comfortable. this album in going on my best of '05 list for sure.

Anonymous (July 28, 2005)

i submit this quote from the review:

"there are some decidedly more objective problems with the record; the first is certainly the overwhelming length of many of the songs. "

That is a subjective problem, not an objective problem. I listen to songs that are an hour long, and still maintain a cohesive song structure. If the reviewer is incapable of knowing the nature of opinion (i.e. all opinion is subjective), that is a terrible reviewer. This was a terrible review, btw.

Anonymous (July 1, 2005)

I agree with the last comment. All I can say is listen to Bat Country. Also their ability to play softer songs that I can stand is incredible, just listen to Seize The Day. My last thing I have to say, is their lyrics. Read through the book or read the lyrics on the internet. The lyrics they have written can be connected to 90% of your lives, I guarantee it.

Anonymous (July 1, 2005)

Now i would say i hate every hardcore band...with two exceptions, Death By Stereo and Avenged Sevenfold.
Yes i only listen to 2 minute long songs or less, except for avenged. The more i listen to this album the more i realize it gets better with every listen. Shadows voice is annoying at first, but in some of the choruses his voice is perfect. Most everyone will admit the guitarists are good, in every song there is usually some solo you actually have to listen for that is buried under vocals or the other guitar. The amazing solos and catchy riffs are the only reason i bought the album. But i have come to like it more than i expected. Better than waking the fallen and sounding the seventh trumpet. I would say no now, but i also pick sounding the seventh trumpet over waking the fallen. so quit bitching just because you heard Beast and the Harlot, that is a really cheesy song, and in my opinion the worst song on the cd. Listen to the whole thing.

Anonymous (July 1, 2005)

For the guy who posted that he bought Waking the Dead????? and thought this band was awesome but now they make music for 13 year old girls. Are you retarded? get the name of the cd right and what 13 year old girls do you know? If anything they would be more into "waking the dead" as that was more scene friendly than this...
fuck you im out

Anonymous (July 1, 2005)

Album is awesome, ive given it over a month to sink in and i still put it in all the time. The guitar work is great, his voice at first was a little weak but now i think its stronger than it was in the past. Drumming is drastically improved as well. One star reviewers are living in the past with WTF. If they put something like that out again it would sound like everything else out there. Although the album isnt perfect, its probably either this or summer in abaddon by pinback for cd of the year so far. Piece metalheads and emo bullshit kids who still think screaming is fresh and new

Anonymous (June 30, 2005)

This album really kicks major ass....Fuck what anyone thinks.."I dont like the new ablum..blah blah blah..." they didnt write it for you biatch...Yeah it may be a bit more mainstream....but no matter what A7X comes out with..I will love it. The lyrics on the album are amazing....I think we have forgotten about that....and M shadows vocals are flawless once again...Love it!!!

Anonymous (June 30, 2005)

As revolutionry as Nirvana.
As talented as Dream Theater.
As progressive as Metallica.
As diverse as GNR.
As real as can be- what more could you want?
Thank you A7X

Anonymous (June 30, 2005)

I don't like to comment on what anyone else thinks or says because I really don't care. I will, however, put my two cents in for those who are are wondering if they should get A7X or not--
I had all but lost faith with the rock, punk, metal, and alternative music generation. This generation of "cookie-cutter" type bands makes me fearful that we are in the dark ages of music and creativity and talent are deceased. At 35 years old now, I despair what future holds for me or will I fall into the sickenning mediocrity of it all and die discontently.
My hope of renaissance has been sparked by the forthcoming of A7X and I am grateful to them for being who they are and honoring ALL of their influential musical forefathers.

Anonymous (June 29, 2005)

I am very dissapointed in this cd. I would have expected much better from a7x considering how the last two albums were so great. M. Shadows in my opinion is an excellent vocalist, but for city of evil he dosen't make use of this. And as for the playing, what used to be clean, sharp, and catchy is now sloppy and mashed together. They try to continue with the excellent guitar playing that was present in previous cds, but it sounds so badly mixed together, with poor transitions. After buying Waking the Dead, I considered them to be one of the greatest bands of all time. Now it seems they have gone mainstream, and produce music for the most popular group of consumers, 13 year old girls. As I listen to both the old and new cds, I hope to hear that there will be talk of working on a new album. Along with millions of other dissapointed fans I hope to hear a7x go back to the metal genre, and play good music again. I've heard that Avenged plays the best shows ever, with the live music sounding just like it does on cd - and i was anxiously looking foreward to seeing them in concert. Now im not so sure I should even waste my time. Im sorry people, but this stuff just sucks and it happens to a lot of bands, but truthfully this is the biggest letdown. Thank God As I Lay Dying still makes good music

Anonymous (June 29, 2005)

This album does what 99% rock bands can't do.

Being original.

Just the fact that it's original makes it worthwhile listening to. And M. Shadows' blood vessel in his voice box ruptured, THAT'S why he rarely screams and does more melodic vocals now (they said that he'd be mute by the time he's forty years old if he kept screaming so he stopped).

And everyone's doing the screaming and growling shit anyway. If you think that punk/metal is good just because it has growling, go find some other garbage band that thinks that they are cool because they can't. I hope every other damned ignorant band loses their fucking voice and see how it's like.

-cp3

Anonymous (June 28, 2005)

I personally love the new City Of Evil album, and if you don't like it quit complaining about it and go listen to the bands that you prefer to listen 2 . In my opinoin A7X is number one on my list no matter what I've loved them since day 1 but if you don't just don't listen 2 them simple as that.
*A7X Fan 4Ever*
-*A7X Chick*

Anonymous (June 28, 2005)

I personally love the new City Of Evil album, and if you don't like it quit complaining about it and go listen to the bands that you prefer to listen 2 . In my opinoin A7X is number one on my list no matter what I've loved them since day 1 but if you don't just don't listen 2 them simple as that.
*A7X Fan 4Ever*
-*A7X Chick*

Anonymous (June 28, 2005)

I personally love the new City Of Evil album, and if you don't like it quit complaining about it and go listen to the bands that you prefer to listen 2 . In my opinoin A7X is number one on my list no matter what I've loved them since day 1 but if you don't just don't listen 2 them simple as that.
*A7X Fan 4Ever*
-*A7X Chick*

Anonymous (June 28, 2005)

I personally love the new City Of Evil album, and if you don't like it quit complaining about it and go listen to the bands that you prefer to listen 2 . In my opinoin A7X is number one on my list no matter what I've loved them since day 1 but if you don't just don't listen 2 them simple as that.
*A7X Fan 4Ever*
-*A7X Chick*

Anonymous (June 28, 2005)

This is a great lalbum to listen to. People commenting say the singer sounds like shit, I think the singing perfect comments the drums and guitar. The guitar riffs are also amazing, not play over and over again like those gay punk records. Not hard to palm mute a beat for 3 minutes. City of Evil, definately the best album i've heard so far this year, I can proudly put the album beside my Atreyu and other Avenged Sevenfold albums as the fav's.

Anonymous (June 28, 2005)

This is a great lalbum to listen to. People commenting say the singer sounds like shit, I think the singing perfect comments the drums and guitar. The guitar riffs are also amazing, not play over and over again like those gay punk records. Not hard to palm mute a beat for 3 minutes. City of Evil, definately the best album i've heard so far this year, I can proudly put the album beside my Atreyu and other Avenged Sevenfold albums as the fav's.

Anonymous (June 27, 2005)

See, the first time I listened to this album, all i wanted to do was throw up
But after a while it gets better...there's always going to be people who hate them and feel the need to share their opinions but oh fucking well

I DO miss the screaming (which isn't a punk/'hardcore' thing, by the way) but it made them better...
And it's not like they WANTED singing...The lead singer had surgery on his throat so now he CAN'T scream like that anymore. I definately don't like this one as much as the last two, but these guys have talent (you can see from the last 2 albums), so I'm going to wait around and see if it gets better...

Anonymous (June 27, 2005)

this album really, really sucks. good thing i didn't get A7X tatooed on my dick when i listened to waking the fallen because i think i can safely say that i would have cut off my penis. this album, instead of trudging forward, runs backwards. back into the safety of the flashy, stupid 80s. progression, not regression. if they really wanted to be creative, they should have created something new. instead they just decided to rework guns n' roses songs. this album WILL be successful, don't get me wrong, but this new direction is even more pussy and even more safe than sticking with the whole metalcore/hardcore trend. more bands are going to be doing this sort of thing and more bands are going to appear sounding like 80s power metal and it makes me want to hibernate for the next twenty years.

I don't like this album. I'm not being pretentious. I'm not being overly biased. I don't like it. Deal with it. Biatch.

Anonymous (June 26, 2005)

that's the best album. it shall be 5 stars losers!!!!!

Anonymous (June 25, 2005)

wow i have to say that this new album is pretty disgusting (as in bad)... there is no screaming which totally ruins the band, and its 80s metal... if you want 80s metal just listen to an old CD.. no1 wants to hear another band redo it.. M. Shadows voice is totally different in this new album and i actually hate it.. they will lose many, many fans because of this new album

idc what any1 says guns'n'roses werent even good... and no i never bothered to listen to it anyways... a7x needs to go back to post-hardcore/screamo/metal

Anonymous (June 24, 2005)

Good album, misses the screaming of the last album, but the guitars are better, and the lyrics are extremely intense and intelligent. I am surprised that no one commented on the political contents of AX7's new music. They seem passionate about the rape of world by our (the US) government. MIA is an awesome song that puts you into the mind of a soldier in Iraq, or any other country we presently occupy. AX7 pretty much brings down the ideals of democracy such as materialism and modern "wants" with the "Wicked End". They may sound evil, but they are only spreading the truth -- ON A MAJOR LABEL. M. Shadows should change his vocal style though, he is the only ruining factor of the new album.

I was surprised by this album. I haven't heard a good record since Dragonforce's Sonic Firestorm. Waking the Fallen was just real dull to me. It had a few good tracks. City of Evil though, really shows different ends of hardcore punk and metal fused together. It stays fast and hard and never goes shitty. And this is on Warner?

Also I heard M. Shadows had throat surgery due to his screaming. Any confirmation?

Anonymous (June 19, 2005)

i dont think anyone has mentioned this yet but a7x has stopped with the whole goth gimmick no more makeup or anything they dont like look their from a scene (actually they hate scene kids) so you can call them glam core. this cd rocks btw

Anonymous (June 19, 2005)

This isn't a review is just a stupid critic on the decision of change gender. why don't you just listen to what you ear and not what you want to think...

A7X Rocked the house with the 7th trumpet and with Waking the Fallen and now they Rock again with new music.

Only a great band with talent can make different kinds of music and rule in eachone ^__*... probably kind of gelous too huh?

Anonymous (June 19, 2005)

This isn't a review is just a stupid critic on the decision of change gender. why don't you just listen to what you ear and not what you want to think...

A7X Rocked the house with the 7th trumpet and with Waking the Fallen and now they Rock again with new music.

Only a great band with talent can make different kinds of music and rule in eachone ^__*... probably kind of gelous too huh?

Anonymous (June 18, 2005)

I can understand where this guy is comming from, What he says makes scense. Some of the songs on the album like "seized the day" do sound pretty influenced by guns and roses and definatly like axle rose at times. but didnt he blow his voice, and chose not to sceam and growl anymore wich was awesome. The musician-ship of the album was done very well and was very tight, but you know it does help when you are in a multi-million doller company's recording studio. I like this album because can listen to it at any time, its easy to listen to and for what it is. Its pretty creative.

-ben jamin D.V canada

Anonymous (June 17, 2005)

i dont no wtf rong with whoever wrote that but avenged is the best band ever and this new album kix ass

Take out the whiny Megadeth type clean vocals and you got an album that isn't half bad, but the repat the same parts over and over and made the album like 20 minutes to long.

Anonymous (June 16, 2005)

I agree with the guy who said why can't this cd be rated just as music. A7X just wanted to change things up a little, whats so bad about that. if they wanted to cash in on whatever is hot these days, they won't make this album, they would make a "hurt process" like or a scream-singish record.

Maybe the reason the score is so low is because were on PUNKnews.org when this is not anything of a punk cd.

Anyway for those people expecting another WTF, well you guys got shat on because this is not another metalcore ablum, get rid of the core and that is what you have. Is it selling out: hell no. Why would they sell out to a sound that is far less accessable than the now trendy metalcore???

The vocals, many people seem to be griping because there is no screaming. They're probably too young to appreciate a time when screaming was not prevelant in music and when metal was about writing epic songs with multiple buildups and experimentation. Unfortunately, most kids these day are so strung up on caffeinated beverages that they can't appreciate a true metal album because they're used to the 3 and 4 minute song of the hardcore and punk genre. Sorry kids, but if you're looking easy to listen to catchy music you're not going to find it on this album.

This album is truely a breath of fresh air in the American metal scene. Surely it is going to get overlooked by many people because the metal elitest only know Avenged Sevenfold for a above average punk/metalcore band of the past, and the fans of their past work think they sold out. So now that A7X has found a new direction, they have somewhat alienated themselves because of it.

Anyway, I know im not going to change the mind of every testosterone driven teenager into appreciating this album as a momento of the hayday of metal music, but i think maybe what i said has some value. To me, Avenged is just doing what a lot of bands have tried to do for years, recreate the glory days of metal with their own twist. And god bless them because this is some great shit.

geeeeez, why can't you guys just listen to the music, and enjoy regardless of what the guys look like, and what kind of music it is???

why do you guys argue about silly things, that mean nothing, to anyone???

This album is good in and of itself, i like it because it is interesting well played music, that's it!

i mean no offence to any of you, because, i realize that i can't generalize people that i don't know, so perhaps, i am some middle class guy who simply can't relate to elitism in music, i don't know... but the fact remains, a7x and any other band for that matter should be judged based on the idea as to whether the music is good or not, not their motives for making the music and certainly not for whether or not they can be considered 'punk' or 'metal' or 'hardcore' and then judged based on how they fill that set of criteria.

again, i really don't mean to offend or argue with anyone on this, but i just feel that sometimes people can get too caught up 'being faithfull' to their chosen scene, and not give themselves a chance to listen to the music

Anonymous (June 15, 2005)

This is a bad review of a awesome cd why is everybody so afraid of musical change everybody get over yourselves and realize punk is and has been dead for along time. And also to the guy who said he should have got the Finch record instead are you kidding me talk about an absolutely disappointing follow up cd the new Finch sucks so bad its not even funny.

Anonymous (June 15, 2005)

this review sucks. why does this cd have to be reviewed as a metal cd or as a punk cd or as a hardcore cd, why can't it just be reviewed as music? all it is is music, you can either like it or not. dont say o its a bad hardcore cd but a good metal cd ITS ONE FREAKING CD you cant catagorize this sound so why try? impressive bass, incredible drums and insane guitar are found all through this cd, and i've heard just as many people loving shadow's voice than i have that hated it.

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

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Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

I Really Like This Album, But Reviewing It ON This Album Is Asking For Trouble

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

"Holy shit! This metalcore is trying to do something OTHER than punk! Quick! Let's chastize them by calling them imposters of their natural musical tastes!"

That's really all I hear in this review. Just because you little punk-rawker emo bitches don't like it doesn't mean it's good!

Agreed with the below post..

--D.L.

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

I'm still waiting for people to get over the fact that even though this isn't as "punk" as their last works, it doesn't mean that it's shit! GO back and worship your shitload of bands such as Thrice and Taking Back Sunday.
THIS is why I don't like Punk rock. Everybody is too closed-minded.

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

The album is so pitiful. M. Shadows should have thrown in the towel after the throat surgery. That video for Unholy Confessions is hilarious because all those girls got A7X tatoos and now they will have to spend the $ to get them removed. No wonder I didn't hear that this album was coming out till one week after it was out because it sucks just about as worse as any album I've ever bought. It makes me sick to my freaking stomach. Avenged Sevenfold you suck now big congratulations.

Anonymous (June 13, 2005)

This album sucks. I should of bought the Finch album instead. Waste of $15! STAY AWAY FROM THIS ALBUM.

whats even funnier is that if you actually met their singer you probably would be too scared to laugh, that dude's pretty ripped. but have fun looking like a fucking moron hundreds of feet from the stage laughing from a comfortable distance for no reason whatsoever, proving nothing, and only accomplishing being annoying for people who paid good money to see Avenged7X

the fact is, i don't care for a handful of bands at warped every year, but i'm not going to laugh, i'll just go somewhere else when they play. theres no need to bring other people down. how would you feel if some ignoramous stood there laughing while your favorite band played.

ps. i'm not even a big avenged 7x fan, just pointing out that you are ignorant.

I really dont' think its as different from 'waking the fallen' as you all do...it seems to be the natural direction they were going, huge, dramatic, epic, overprodcued....this is always what these guys shot for, and now they're pulling it off. the guitar and drum work on this album is light years beyond their first 2 releases. Shadow's new vocal stylings are weird at times , and I do miss his screaming, but he still sounds pretty badass on many of the songs. my problem is that the album is a bit long winded...after track 7 it seems to kinda go downhill and take forever to finish..but the first 7 songs are all great, and 'beast and the harlot' is SUCH a cool song, i don't see how any A7X fan can't get into that song...

i'd put it on par w/ their last album, if not better. i like the direction they moved in. it doesnt sound like GNR to me, more like maiden, pantera, ride the lightning era metallica and merciful fate.

paul

Anonymous (June 13, 2005)

haha thats what comes out if you review lots of metal shit...second rate Stevie Vai´s that explain the musical world to us...stop reviewing metal now, cos it only leads to this things

The review reads as though a pretentious English major threw around a bunch of words he/she looked up in a dictionary/thesaurus to sound knowledgeable, but its masturbatory and has no real substance.

Anonymous (June 13, 2005)

and when it comes to a "musical debate," isnt the quality of the guitar players a decent thing to talk about?...i mean, it is the "music"...

Sure it is. If you know what you're talking about. Praising Avenged Sevenfold's guitarists as some sort of new age guitar virtuoso heros is absurd and it makes metal kids look stupid. And since I have a small investment in the overall image of metal kids, I felt that it was appropriate to step the fuck in and lay it down. They're good guitarists. But the album is no amazingly complex, technical feat. I mentioned that in my original post. I spoke of Bad Religion in my latest post. Does someone reviewing an album of theirs and downrating it because the guitar playing isn't spectacular deserve a kick in the throat? Absolutely. Those guitarists know their place within the overall sound of the band. In Avenged Sevenfold, sure, the guitars receive some more attention. It's a metal album.

So if you're going to comment on the quality of the guitar players, don't be so narrow minded as to think that the only important thing is how fast they can play. And don't pretend that they're gods when they're not. They're creative. Or they're uncreative. Or you like their riffs or you don't. Or you don't like how the guitars are used on the album. etc.

The rant about guitarists was solely focused on elitist metalheads.

Anonymous (June 13, 2005)

um...doesnt 'how well these guys play guitar' have some importance in regards to 'the quality of the music'?

um..

No. Not really. Bad Religion. One of the best bands in the whole world. What guitarist CAN'T play ALL of their songs? And yet they continue to release amazing albums. This is because they are a great BAND. It's like a team of musicians. Everyone knows their place, and they write songs that showcase their strengths. Bad Religion's strengths lie in Greg Graffin's amazing voice, always incredible vocal melodies/harmonies and punchy rhythms. If you cloned John Petrucci of Dream Theater and had them play the three guitars for Bad Religion, it would be exactly the same music. So, no. 'How well these guys play guitar' has no bearing whatsoever on the quality of the music.

I can't believe some people were actually dissapointed he stopped the screaming. Screaming is not music, it's screaming.

And since I don't listen to metal I'd like to know is there anything out there that sounds like this cd??? I don't just mean one aspect of this cd, I mean is there another band out there who actually plays just as hard, fast, catchy, melodic, technically genius, and incorporates orchestra???? I don't think there is.

Anonymous (June 12, 2005)

"ummmm isnt 'how well these guys play guitar' and 'how much the guy screams and how much he sings.' part of the 'Sounds coming out of speakers. '?"

and then the reply...

"Yes they are, my good man. But they are of no importance whatsoever to the quality of the music and they're dumb points to debate over."

um...doesnt 'how well these guys play guitar' have some importance in regards to 'the quality of the music'?

and when it comes to a "musical debate," isnt the quality of the guitar players a decent thing to talk about?...i mean, it is the "music"...

- phuck wad mc phuck luck duk

Anonymous (June 12, 2005)

Yes they are, my good man. But they are of no importance whatsoever to the quality of the music and they're dumb points to debate over.

Anonymous (June 12, 2005)

People on both sides of this fun little argument are morons.

No one cares how well these guys play guitar.
No one cares how much the guy screams and how much he sings.
No one cares how this, or any other band, dresses.
It's music. Listen to it. There is nothing else to it.

ummmm isnt 'how well these guys play guitar' and 'how much the guy screams and how much he sings.' part of the 'Sounds coming out of speakers. '?

Anonymous (June 12, 2005)

People on both sides of this fun little argument are morons.

No one cares how well these guys play guitar.
No one cares how much the guy screams and how much he sings.
No one cares how this, or any other band, dresses.
It's music. Listen to it. There is nothing else to it. Sounds coming out of speakers.

Is this a more commercial album than 'Fallen'? You're a gigantic moron if you answered yes to that question.
Is this a much better album than 'Fallen'? Fuck yeah it is. Every song is fantastic.
This is probably going to be the album of the year in my book. dredg, SOAD and Comeback Kid were pretty amazing, but this album has everything I'm looking for.

You sound like an idiot, reviewer, when you compare this to power-metal and when you compare 'Fallen' to Thrice. At least to people who have any idea what they're talking about. I'll support you in any sort of Guns N' Roses comparison. That is BLATANTLY obvious while listening through the album. But you know what? I haven't heard a good GNR song for awhile, so I'm glad someone could remedy that for me.

Is this the most technical, complex album EVER? No. Some of you metal kids need to stop pretending this is the most mind-melting album to ever be allowed for US release. It's pretty basic. Sure, they pull off some quirky key changes and have some pretty kickin' rad solos and licks. But it's nothing most bands couldn't pull off. Could other bands compose such music? Probably not. But play it, you betcha. Nothing special in that department.

Incredible album. While I see where the criticism comes from, there's honestly no need to make it a metal vs. punk thing. Some people, like myself, can enjoy both genres. Or even a myriad of genres. It's pretty incredible. When I see some of you people commenting on this, it makes me imagine you sitting around, hearing the first 3 seconds of a song, deciding if it falls into your preferred genre or not, clapping and bouncing like a monkey if it is, and angrily pounding your CD player/computer if it is not.

Stop calling this shit hardcore! Jesus H. Christos on a pogo stick! This shit is, was and ever shall be METAL, you dumbasses! Get it straight! calling it hardcore will never make it GOOD, it will still be shit. Stop associating it with great hardcore bands like Bad Brains, Minor Threat and Black Flag (even though Black Flag went thrash metal towards the end).

This is just a boring CD, plain and simple. I don't think they sold out or anything like that, since they never claimed to be a hardcore or metalcore band to begin with, but there's really a lack of interesting songs on this record. There were always hints of cheesy metal in there music before, but it was done in an endearing sort of way, now it's just overdone. The vocal harmonies are almost identical on every track, and although the musicianship is still top notch, that doesn't guarantee a good listen.

Anonymous (June 11, 2005)

FYI, M. Shadows sings the way he does in City of Evil because he had vocal cord surgery in 2004 to repair a burst blood vessel so here's a big "Fuck You" to you uneducated cretins out there.

In case u fuck faces didn't know...ur wasting ur no-life time trying to convince people that the band/album does/doesn't suck. Get the fuck over urselves no1s gonna change cuz of u.

Anonymous (June 11, 2005)

congratulations on squandering your weekly shot at being original!

(below)

Anonymous (June 11, 2005)

the nu-metal kids will eat this right up!

Anonymous (June 11, 2005)

screw whoever wrote this review! why don't you try and forget for just one second and forget about what other bands sounds like this, what 'scene' it falls into or what fashion trend is around nowadays, and just LISTEN to the music and see if you like it.

Avenged Sevenfold have, with blatent disregard to the genrelisation of music nowadays, created a stunningly original peace of music.

You are just so single minded any bands that stray outside such genres as mediocre metalcore, 'i'm genuinely punk!' and clichemo scare you, and i truly feel sorry for you.

Anonymous (June 11, 2005)

I love metal kids being so defensive. every one starts off: they're really complex! they've got solos! they're soooo technical!! you're ignorant if you can't see the beauty in an 8 minute song!!1!!1! go listen to the casualties!! jesus christ, this is a punk rock site, not progressive/ (insert 1 of 20th metal subgenre) metal/wack off fantasy soul less bullshit. i'll stick to the clash, pixies, and minor threat. the rest of you metal kiddies can crank this to 11 and argue over dungeons and dragons, witches, medieval earth and who's better-icy hot earth or dragonfuck.

Anonymous (June 10, 2005)

I'm not gonna argue with anyone on this board, seeing as this is a punk site and I'm a dedicated metalhead. I stumbled across this review, and was kinda pissed, but not surprised. I have always felt that, even with some hardcore and punk influences, Avenged Sevenfold have always been primarily a metal band. Now they're a PURE metal band. Most punks don't like metal. Therefore, most punks will find this album confusing and wanna lsiten to their old shit. I do reccomend this album to anyone who likes truly original METAL songs (allright "Seize The Day" DOES kinda sound like Guns N' Roses but beyond that its pure originality). Punks and HXC kids should stay away from this one and stick to Waking The Fallen, which is also quite righteous.

this album is complete garbage. i thought i was the only one who hated this band, it's good to see i'm not alone. fuck, they suck so bad.

Anonymous (June 10, 2005)

hey "Anchors"--

looks like you didn't take the time to read my post, otherwise you wouldn't have continued to prove the actual point I was making which was that most people posting appear to be either faux punks... or punk bitches

and again, I must harp on the ridiculous "Power Metal" label being thrown at this album... is it not clear that A7x has created their own genre?

Batt Rock, baby

Anonymous (June 10, 2005)

I can appreciate what they're trying to do but frankly M. Shadows doesn't have a good enough voice to just sing. He can't do it. And its clear that they tried to compensate for this by awkwardly layering his vocal tracks. I can respect the bands desire for a more melodic sound but I can't help but feel that this is a digression rather than a progression. Waking the Fallen puts this album to shame in every respect but most significantly in overall songwriting quality. I dont think I have been this disappointed by a new release in a long time.

Anonymous (June 10, 2005)

I can appreciate what they're trying to do but frankly M. Shadows doesn't have a good enough voice to just sing. He can't do it. And its clear that they tried to compensate for this by awkwardly layering his vocal tracks. I can respect the bands desire for a more melodic sound but I can't help but feel that this is a digression rather than a progression. Waking the Fallen puts this album to shame in every respect but most significantly in overall songwriting quality. I dont think I have been this disappointed by a new release in a long time.

Anonymous (June 10, 2005)

I actually think people who say they like fast, hard punk should be able to like this cd. The first five songs is fast and hard at it's best, without losing any of it's melody.

One of the best things about this cd is that he stopped the stupid screaming. I really can't stand any band that likes to scream like he used to. Screaming is not melody.

A question. Did these guys legally change their names to these names they use as a band??? I sure hope they didn't.

What I would love to see one day is a band that plays like this yet wears regular street clothes and isn't goth.

Anonymous (June 10, 2005)

It's refreshing to hear something other than drop C, palm muted, screaming bullshit. This album is really creative and a breath of fresh air. If you enjoy power chords and simple drum beats, dont buy this record. If you are looking to broaden your musical taste.... go get it now.

Anonymous (June 10, 2005)

This is the best album I have heard in a long time. It is musically diverse and insanely technical.... the guitar work is unreal. The vocals were strange at first ( word on the street is that M Shadows had throat surgery and can't scream anymore) but the new axl rose sound has really started to grow on me. Honestly... there arent too many albums i can listen to all the way through without skipping a song.. i think i could listen to this album 10 times in a row.

Anonymous (June 10, 2005)

I'll admit that I liked their first two records... but this record is fucking terrbile. Beast and the Harlot starts out alright and just drags on and on. The reviewer hit this right on the nose. Some of the songs start out okay but go on an on with no real sense of direction.

Anonymous (June 10, 2005)

You punks are all pussies... speacially the one who reviwed this album. Go shave that fuckin mohack and learn how to play a solo and drop all that power chords bullshit and stop singing about your girlfriends or how your mom wont buy you the new casualties shirt at hot topic.
Suck my dick you fag
Whoever rate this album or any other A7X album less than 3/5 dont know the meaning of talent.

Anonymous (June 10, 2005)

You punks are all pussies... speacially the one who reviwed this album. Go shave that fuckin mohack and learn how to play a solo and drop all that power chords bullshit and stop singing about your girlfriends or how your mom wont buy you the new casualties shirt at hot topic.
Suck my dick you fag
Whoever rate this album or any other A7X album less than 3/5 dont know the meaning of talent.

Anonymous (June 10, 2005)

Oh my fucking lord. When did A7X ever sound like Bad Religion or Thrice? A7X blatantly blow both of those bands out of the sea. Shit review. I'm disgusted that your mind span is too short to appretiate a 7 minute epic such as Sidewinder...go listen to your shitty 2 minute punk songs with no complexity whatsoever, fuck you. Blatantly one of the most unique and complex metal records to come out in a while.

Anonymous (June 10, 2005)

This album is fucking amazing, far more complex than punk or hardcore. Sure there might be some 80's influence here but it certainly isn't glam, this is a modern day Metal album and a original one at that...The reviewer of this is obviously a power chord lover who thinks music is about aggression and nothing more.

Anonymous (June 10, 2005)

I don't listen to metal and I'm not going to start but this cd is fucking amazing. I really think a lot of these 80's metal comparisons are false. They use a much more demonstrative sound than those bands.

If you like Strung Out you should be able to like this cd. Think a mix of Razor Sex and Virginia Madison.

So many punk people are too wrapped up in their image to appreciate this cd but if you throw that image aside and just listen to the pure music you will like this.

Anonymous (June 10, 2005)

I think That City of Evil is decent. I was hoping to be impressed with a brutal follow up to Waking the Fallen, which in my opinion was fucking awsome.
This album doesnt lack on instrimental ability by all means but the vocals arent much to speek of. No screaming and winey cry baby singing. I was sorta disopointed. Im hoping they will turn shit around on their next album

Anonymous (June 10, 2005)

i thought this album was awesome. they stretch themselves a bit too far sometimes, but it was still damn good. waking the fallen was a tad better, though.

Anonymous (June 10, 2005)

Awesome CD... I loved their 2nd CD. The screaming was a little too much, but the music seems cleaner and more professional (almost poppy?) in this CD so I like it.

Anonymous (June 10, 2005)

"It's not even what their record label was planning on. "They actually wanted us to do a metalcore record because major labels like hopping on the bandwagon," Shadows said. "Thrice was signed and Thursday, so Warner Bros. was like, 'We gotta get a band like that.' But making this record is the best thing for us, and the fact that everyone else is doing what we used to do just makes it easier for us because we're free to create our own path."

Anonymous (June 10, 2005)

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1503793/20050608/avenged_sevenf old.jhtml?headlines=true#Scene_1 and understand the reason of the way this album is... dont blame sevenfold

Anonymous (June 9, 2005)

I can't see how anyone didn't see this album coming. These guys have always been more on the metal side of metalcore. Hardcore bands don't name their album "Sounding The Seventh Trumpet". Hardcore bands rarely would write a song anywhere close to seven minutes long (exceptions exist such as Jane Doe by Converge) let alone fill an entire record with them. Hardcore bands don't where white makeup and tight fitting black shirts. These are all characteristics of metal bands. This album was just the next logical step in their progression. You don't have to like it (I sure don't), but why be dissapointed? The writing was on the wall the whole time.

Anonymous (June 9, 2005)

o and by the way The MarS volta BEST progressive rock band

Anonymous (June 9, 2005)

the review absolutely nails the album. ive listened to it many times and cant agree more. i couldnt wait for this album to come out and its just a dissapointment. i had to come on the forums to c what others were saying and this review just nailed mine and 4 other a7x fans opinions that i live with. i guess were not the only ones who were upset.

Hey kid below me, Vaquero down there owned your whole point before you even took the half an hour to type it out.

http://www.collegehumor.com/?image_id=158277

Anonymous (June 9, 2005)

so far I've gathered that most of you are to young to understand respect, humility, and possibly even happiness. It's not like they're fucking your sister. It's most evident that envy breeds something quite ugly...

Highlights of the album so far:

-experimentation with instruments, musical styles and voice especially
-excellent musicianship, production solid, vastly improved bass playing
-some parts of songs are so good they have an addictive quality
-improved singing voice

Final comments: I guarantee A7x don't listen to Dragonforce... this is NOT power metal you fucking morons. Does anything on this album sound like Iced Earth??? Have some respect, have some class... I'm out.

Shitty music played with a lot of talent is still shitty music. Don't go to talent to defend the band, talent can only amplify a band's goodness not create it.

Anonymous (June 9, 2005)

In all of this bands other recordgins they had some really good parts, but they just didnt know how to put them together. There would be an awesome riff, and some great drumming and some shitty screaming, and then bam, into another part that doesnt fit with it at all. And then keep doing that until the song is too long and drawn out and pointless. They are good on a riff to riff basis, but there actualm song writing is just overdone and striving to hard to be "epic" or something ridiculouys like that. If they could learn some moderation and actually start writing tastefully, I thik they could be pretty good.

-!GreenVandal!

Anonymous (June 9, 2005)

Here's an idea, children:

1. Stop acting like you're all 12 year olds with internet access.

2. Actually stop, look, and analytically listen to this band and it's work over the years.

3. Stop fuckin' insulting people you don't even fuckin' know just because they interfere with your closed-minded musical tastes.

um dude who did that waaay too long post below...they're going to do a radio edit. It doesn't matter if a song is 15 minutes long. They can cut it up so it's 4:00 minutes of sugar daddy sweet.

Anonymous (June 9, 2005)

Yes, seriously...Discharge. Or Skitsystem for that matter. These kids today wouldn't know hardcore if it kicked down their door and made a bukakke video with their mom.

Anonymous (June 9, 2005)

Discharge

Anonymous (June 9, 2005)

c'mon guys....you can't say that A7X suck?...maybe you don't like their style but you gotta admit that they do have awesome talent!...Name one punk band that can play guitar like them!...Just my 2 cents...In their style, they're simply amazing....Just take the time to listen the entire album for a second time

Anonymous (June 9, 2005)

and another thing-

can we REALLY take someone seriously when they gave the killers 3 1/2 stars?

the killers deserve to be thrown screaming from a cliff

Anonymous (June 9, 2005)

HEY HERES A GOOD IDEA! LETS JUDGE A BAND BY THE WAY THEY DRESS! AND THE WAY OTHERS LABEL THEM! YES THATS A GOOD IDEA!

now kids, lets try forming our OWN opinion.

Anonymous (June 9, 2005)

Haa it's funny because the metal heads on this page really are living up to the stereotype with your homophobic slurs like "faggot" way to go! i love jocks so much they really do provide hours of entertainment value, no really.

emo>metalcore latest trend

example 2

Thursday-Avenged Sevenfold

do the math.

plus it's not punknews.org "got metal?"

Anonymous (June 9, 2005)

Sometimes you kids make me laugh. "Avenged Sevenfold got what they wanted. They changed their style for the fans and money."

Question: Since when has their been a new band that sounds Gun n' Roses-ish with a heavier edge like this new album?

If so how many records were sold?

Lets talk about a "Marketable song." The radio (other than WBAB mainly) will not play songs that exceed 4 minutes and 30 seconds and neither will MTV. They will not play a music video over that length (not MTV or VH1 or any station.)

So tell me kiddies, with the shortest song on the new avenged sevenfold being 4:59, how could this CD expand their fanbase? How would this CD make them more popular and sell more albums?

Answer: IT WONT

They are playing the music they want to play now. In my opinion it is far far better than the last album. I couldn't take that annoying whining scream. Though I loved the album, I hated the scream.

The song structure on this album is incredible. Much Much better than all of their previous work. The lyrics are also far better than the previous 2 albums. As for the singing, if you like a vocalist that has talent and vocal range, the vocals are than far superior on this album.

Have you ever heard of a type of music called "progressive." I know it might be a new term for some young children but you have to learn it when your musical tastes mature someday.

Most progressive bands songs are around 6-7 minutes long including many others that are around 10, 12, some even reaching over 20 on a regular release. I happen to like the longer songs since avenged had a lot to say with this album.

Has anybody ever listened to a concept album other than "American Idiot" by Green Day. That's right some concept albums are harder to understand than American Idiot. This album has an overlying theme and a concept to it. M. Shadows plays the role of a character. Figure it out. Give you brain a little use for once it might work out well for you.

You may not LIKE this music. It's not simple, it sure as hell isn't straight forward and it contains a lot of talent (the description of a CD that is completely the opposite of what the standard "x cool punk x" kid would want to listen to.) But you cannot say this music is terrible. It's not. I'll tell you from a person that likes metal, progressive rock and metal, and other more talented ska/rock bands, that this is VERY good music for the style. It is well put together and very well though of. You have your opinion to not like it, but to say that the music is bad is just being arrogant.

(Insert 5,000 comments where people say "the music still sucks and I'm the hardcore king so I know my business fagit mutha fukas")

Avenged isn't in it to be heavy, Impress the hardcore crowd, or make tons of money (hence the style and the length of the songs.) Get used to it.

Anonymous (June 9, 2005)

What the Fuck have Thursday got to do with Avenged Sevenfold, musically their worlds apart they sound nothin like each other, and are totally unrelated

Anonymous (June 9, 2005)

Really Good album, and i was wondering why its not original no band out now is original every band pilfers sounds from bands from yester years, so i chose bands i like. Anyway no matter what anyone says i love this album and Avenged Sevenfold, and i agree how the fuck is this this Glam Metal it dunt sound anything like T Rex, anyway i dont tend to listen to reviews i judge for myself and if i like it, i like it other peoples opinions arent gonna change mine

Anonymous (June 9, 2005)

you scene kids are faggits. it not how they dress its how they sound. the music is amazing. you guys say they suck cause they can play there instruments. the singing is lacking but otherwise its amazing. music doesnt have to have screaming to be good. you scene kids are just ignorant faggots

Anonymous (June 9, 2005)

you scene kids are faggits. it not how they dress its how they sound. the music is amazing. you guys say they suck cause they can play there instruments. the singing is lacking but otherwise its amazing. music doesnt have to have screaming to be good. you scene kids are just ignorant faggots

Anonymous (June 9, 2005)

Avenged Sevenfold has always reminded me of:
"We're staaaaaars! We are magic in the nigh-eet!"

Anonymous (June 9, 2005)

To me, if you spend time putting on makeup and doing yourself up before you go and play rock and roll, you're an asshole. This shit is just plain gay.

Anonymous (June 9, 2005)

You fucking scene kids are such fags.

Anonymous (June 9, 2005)

Seriously this is bad, it all sounds like that song "nightcrawler" by whatever shit band that was, i'll stick to story of the year if its ok with you.

Anonymous (June 9, 2005)

Avenge Shitfold. c what i did?

Anonymous (June 9, 2005)

total shitty band

Anonymous (June 9, 2005)

Imagine when you grow up and tell your kids that you listened to this band, Daddy's pretty embarassed!
I'm sure Thursday willl be releasing albums about love entanglments in the retirement home still into their elderly years, so you can relive your youth.....you know 3 belts, underage drinking, getting the girl next door, tight t-shirts and teenage angst and a hipster haircut.

Anonymous (June 9, 2005)

Avenged Sevenfold seem to have become quite trendy lately. All the little rock kids have latched on to this band, and these are the same kids that follow all the Corporate label trash forced down peoples throats on tv, radio. Most of the kids who buy type of stuff are blinkered and have no idea of the underground scene they only find out about it cos its gone major. I own a record store and it makes me sick that independents put their necks on the line to promote bands on small lables only to get completely fucked over by the corporates when a band signs big! Distributors rip independets stores off on major label releases, and give masive insentives to corporate stores who problably never give a fuck about the band when their first album came out, while the little indepent store who is quite willing to stock a bands first album gets put at the back of the line. Money to money, its always the same, a store who would quite happily sell you the latest boy band cd now sells you the new Avenged cd as well, and will do better on it than the small guy who actually gave a shit about the small band in the first place. Major labels and massive corporate stores will kill the underground scene because they play safe!

fuck. who the hell cares how people dress? my normal dress is a t-shrt, khaki shorts/pants, and vans shoes. i've dressed relatively the same way for a long time. yet, i still can guarantee i have a much more diverse taste in music than most of those idiot kids wearing all black, spikey belts, chucks, etc. i probably even have a much better knowledge of the very music they are "dressed" to like. not that i am bragging, but the point is it doesn't matter how people dress, it's about the fucking music.

Anonymous (June 9, 2005)

What a waste of great talent. I feel sorry for all the fans that are tatted up have been there from day one. How quickly things change....I used to play Sounding the 7th Trumpet proudly full blast in my truck and I even grew to like Waking the Fallen, but I think this album ruined everything-you are only as good as your last album. If I wanted to listen to GNR or Megadeath I'd pop in my cassettes!!!!

I am shocked at all this negative commentary. Usually people are bummed that a artist's album isn't long enough. Seventy two minutes of music captured within 11 songs is a real gift.

It may not be so much the riffs and solos themselves as much as it is the way in which Avenged Sevenfold put them together. It's classical music fro the 20th century, orchestrated, layered and unforgiving.

Everyone is complaining that M. Shadows doesn't scream anymore, but this album is hard as fuck. A lof of times, screaming is a real cop out- the simplest way to express yourself because the music isn't tough enough to back you up.

I love this record. I give it a ten. I love that this whole album is a throwback album that is worlds better than the bands it is paying homage to. I think Matt is a great singer who can literally channel the voices of talents like Mike Patton (FNM-era) on track number 4, "Bat Country", David Lee Roth on track number 5, "Trashed and Scattered" and even Axl on track number 6, "Seize the Day".

Why is this a bad thing? It's like uncovering long lost tracks from these bands we all used to love.

It's easy to point the finger at Avenged Sevenfold, a band who is in magazines, is young,a nd plays with a lot of the bands that are written up here on punknews.org. And even if writing a record that pays homage to this era is a bad thing, do you really think they are the only band that is doing it? Bands like Sonata Arctica, Dragonforce, umm, Dream Theatre, they never stopped doing it. This is not a new thing. Except maybe for the fact that these 5 kids do it REALLY FUCKING WELL.

Anonymous (June 9, 2005)

Alright, this review was pretty harsh! The guys have done an excellent job on this record and I'm happy with it. As are the guys, I think this record is a major success! NOT a failure, they may not be "hardcore" but they are making the kind of music they love. Yes, they're attracting kids that aren't old enough to remember Axl, but that's why they're tryint o bring that music back! Axl is a great singer as is Shadows, you can't say they are not because you would be lying. I honestl think this review is stupid and rude. Who really cares about the scenes? I know for sure that it's about the music NOT what scene it should be classified under, music is music. Nothing more and nothing less. I am ashamed and yet not suprised that you guys have made this review so rude. I think that a lot of the fans are loving the new music CORRECTION, the fans LOVE the new music and they will continue to love it no matter what "scene" you classify it as.

Not sure Im not a fan of glamrock. and to the people that say Punks are dead and what not. i seriously doubt that...to a very very big extent. Im not going to start advertising what music i like becuase ppl have different taste. at one point in my life i liked Avenged Sevenfold. Not anymore. What a shame. Oh well. Who ever DOES Like it go waste those 12 bucks of allowence money

"This is an amazing album! I am glad they threw away the screaming, because if you wasnt screaming you can listen to the ten million metalcore bands out there. Trivium? Summers End? Haster The Day? The Agony Scene? Still Remains? Winter Solstice? Caliban? It Dies Today? Himsa? Darkest Hour? I love those bands but come on there are a ton of metalcore and thrash metal bands out there. I am so happy they decided to take it back to the 80"s and mix it up, and I for one think M. Shadows sounds like Dave Mustaine from Megadeth alot in City of Evil. The dick below is making fun of Victory. How can you make fun of Victory Records? Between The Buried And Me? Sinai Beach? Earth Crisis? Deadguy? Snapcase? Buried Alive? All Out War? Martyr AD? Grade? Darkest Hour? Ringworm? Dead To Fall? Atreyu? Scars Of Tomorrow? Premonitions Of War? Bury Your Dead? A Perfect Murder? Victory has a shitload of good bands fucker."

Why do you listen to such shitty music? I just want to know.

Anonymous (June 8, 2005)

oh dear, the reviewer could not label this band. neither hardcore, punk or metalcore could fit. they even ditched the cliche screaming lyrics. holy shit!! i cant label a specific genre to a band!!! usually that would be a good sign of interesting music, and although this cd is nothing greatly unique. its at least better than theyre last 2 albums. maybe next time you will actually review the music.

Anonymous (June 8, 2005)

"Victory has a shitload of good bands fucker."

xNaw, Brahx

Anonymous (June 8, 2005)

The main problems with all of you guys are:
1) You wouldn't dare listen to a band that has been deemed "uncool" by whatever scene shit you blindly follow
or
2) You don't have an appreciation for this kind of metal, and just how fun it is to rock and play some kick ass songs.

I personally think that this cd is fucking awesome, far better than Sounding the Seventh Trumpet. I still haven't decided if I like it more than Waking the Fallen, but I might.

Anonymous (June 8, 2005)

"This is an amazing album! I am glad they threw away the screaming, because if you wasnt screaming you can listen to the ten million metalcore bands out there. Trivium? Summers End? Haster The Day? The Agony Scene? Still Remains? Winter Solstice? Caliban? It Dies Today? Himsa? Darkest Hour? I love those bands but come on there are a ton of metalcore and thrash metal bands out there. I am so happy they decided to take it back to the 80"s and mix it up, and I for one think M. Shadows sounds like Dave Mustaine from Megadeth alot in City of Evil. The dick below is making fun of Victory. How can you make fun of Victory Records? Between The Buried And Me? Sinai Beach? Earth Crisis? Deadguy? Snapcase? Buried Alive? All Out War? Martyr AD? Grade? Darkest Hour? Ringworm? Dead To Fall? Atreyu? Scars Of Tomorrow? Premonitions Of War? Bury Your Dead? A Perfect Murder? Victory has a shitload of good bands fucker."

LOLOLOL! Victory is so lame, it's just drive-thru with screams.

Anonymous (June 8, 2005)

To the guy who said punks know jack about music- two words buddy- Greg Ginn....would blast any of those metal pussies from the 80's into extinction.

Anonymous (June 8, 2005)

It seems that the writer of this review really doesn't know what "glam" is.

terrible fucking music. makes me laugh because there are so many good bands out there, and no one wants to listen to them.

Anonymous (June 8, 2005)

Am I the only one who likes this album? The comments and review of this album are really a sad reflection on the musical tastes of people today. It's sad that music fans today can't appreciate an album which merges the best elements of Metallica and Guns N' Roses, two of the best heavy bands to exist, and a vocalist who blows every emo, hardcore, and punk singer out of water without even screaming. I liked Waking the Fallen a lot, but this ups in it in every way. Anyone who says this album is trendy, obviously hasn't listened to this at all and is just jumping on the "bash Avenged Sevenfold" bandwagon, that has obviously started. You've all been apparantly listening to too much hardcore punk and emo.

"This is an amazing album! I am glad they threw away the screaming, because if you wasnt screaming you can listen to the ten million metalcore bands out there. Trivium? Summers End? Haster The Day? The Agony Scene? Still Remains? Winter Solstice? Caliban? It Dies Today? Himsa? Darkest Hour? I love those bands but come on there are a ton of metalcore and thrash metal bands out there. I am so happy they decided to take it back to the 80"s and mix it up, and I for one think M. Shadows sounds like Dave Mustaine from Megadeth alot in City of Evil. The dick below is making fun of Victory. How can you make fun of Victory Records? Between The Buried And Me? Sinai Beach? Earth Crisis? Deadguy? Snapcase? Buried Alive? All Out War? Martyr AD? Grade? Darkest Hour? Ringworm? Dead To Fall? Atreyu? Scars Of Tomorrow? Premonitions Of War? Bury Your Dead? A Perfect Murder? Victory has a shitload of good bands fucker."

I think there is a total of 3 good bands in that whole list

Anonymous (June 8, 2005)

I dunno.... he's right about Victory Records , trendy bands, trendy haircuts, MTV potential and above all else metalcore, plus all those other "emo" bands will surely love to join the ranks of "metalcore"
If your young 15, hip and hate good music then Victory has it all, no kidding. Teenage angst available for $12.99 a piece.

for anyone who says punk hasnt changed at all, and then defends metal... thats fucking stupid. if punk hasnt evolved, then why does zeke sound nothing like last resort?

music evolves. all music. nothing stays stagnant, ever.

Anonymous (June 8, 2005)

14 year old teenage girls

Anonymous (June 8, 2005)

This is an amazing album! I am glad they threw away the screaming, because if you wasnt screaming you can listen to the ten million metalcore bands out there. Trivium? Summers End? Haster The Day? The Agony Scene? Still Remains? Winter Solstice? Caliban? It Dies Today? Himsa? Darkest Hour? I love those bands but come on there are a ton of metalcore and thrash metal bands out there. I am so happy they decided to take it back to the 80"s and mix it up, and I for one think M. Shadows sounds like Dave Mustaine from Megadeth alot in City of Evil. The dick below is making fun of Victory. How can you make fun of Victory Records? Between The Buried And Me? Sinai Beach? Earth Crisis? Deadguy? Snapcase? Buried Alive? All Out War? Martyr AD? Grade? Darkest Hour? Ringworm? Dead To Fall? Atreyu? Scars Of Tomorrow? Premonitions Of War? Bury Your Dead? A Perfect Murder? Victory has a shitload of good bands fucker.

Anonymous (June 8, 2005)

I hate on the fact Avenged Sevenfold and Hardcore are used in the same sentence.
The kids in my town love this band, but they also like victory records and i think that speaks volumes.

Anonymous (June 8, 2005)

Hahaha punks commenting on musics funny coz they know fuck all about it, bit of a stereotype there but oh well its true

Anonymous (June 8, 2005)

How can anyone slag off Avenged for Being generic when they use so much different influences, especially when u consider punk hasnt changed at all, and is all totally generic, and plus do any of u know what glam rock actuli is, and u also cant call them Glam rock and Power metal, the two are so far removed from each other. And Avenged and Atreyu are totally different.

Anonymous (June 8, 2005)

I Love this album, i didnt expect a good review as this is a punk website, punks being dead for 20 years, i never liked punk anyway i prefer good playin to be honest. And as far all the Guns and Roses comments there are obvious comparisons, especially on "Seize the day" but his Solos are nothing like Slashes he uses more sweeps, legato, and his solos are generally more agressive, whereas slahes are more emotive usually and have a large use of string bends, they sound more like Dream Theatre guitar wise, and nobody can deny that they are talented musicians, anyway ill leave u to slag off talented musicians because u listen to punk. bye

Anonymous (June 8, 2005)

This album may be shite, but "Beast and the Harlot" is hilarious - sounds like Velvet Revolver and then has a chorus which sounds like a nursery rhyme or something. First time I heard it I genuinely had no idea what to think. If I want power metal, I'll get something from the 80's.

i was just lookingf at some of the other posts and.....me defending this band is like chinatown defending NUFAN

i have stooped to a familiar low.

fuck all yall
i am juiced

- jones the bones]

0=- my nickcname isstupidasallhell@yahoo.pricjk

Anonymous (June 8, 2005)

To me there are two different Guns N Roses, Appetite For Destruction Era and Everything Else Era. Appetite For Destruction does kick a large quantity of ass.

Anonymous (June 8, 2005)

this review sucks.
Guns n Roses were not hair metal or glam metal
Iron Maiden was definately not hair metal or glam metal
yes that cover looks like an Iron Maiden cover, but definately not a hair metal cover.

Anonymous (June 8, 2005)

Somebody needs to tell their fucking bass player that the name john christ was taken a loooong time ago by the guitar player from danzig. Fuck!

i'm still unsure about this cd....but i do like how it makes all of you uncofortable and yell at the "scene kids" as if you guys arent all equally scene for talking shit on scene . its all dribble and your all fluent in it scene scene scene scene scneneenenennncncsnsnencsncencnencncesncnencencencencsncn'

may ube i will submit a review...what are the uh...factors or whatever that allow an album to get reviewed more than once?

- jones the homoerotic bones

- stevejones8770isntjustforhomosexualsanymorew@yahoopenisfervor.com

Anonymous (June 7, 2005)

face it. the last 2 avenged albums were decent, "waking the fallen" was obviously better than "sounding..." and now theyve made pure melodies and catchier riffs that are bound to hook a new audience. plus they are now on a major label. but who the fuck cares. 'city of evil' throws in a couple different styles of vocals and guitar work that the previous albums lacked during many redundant parts. the clean vocals are less awkward and retarded sounding and the scream vocals fit in way better than the standard screamo mouth-full-of-gravy vocals.

to sum it up. they definitely are not the best band.. but they are better than they used to be.

Anonymous (June 7, 2005)

This band is weak pussyshit. No substance, all suck! AMEN!

Anonymous (June 7, 2005)

I'll admit it. I liked Sounding The Seventh Trumpet. It wasn't the greatest but it still had its high spots. Heck, I even enjoyed the demo for "Second Heartbeat" on the Hopelessly Devoted To You Vol. 4 compilation. After that, it was all downward for this band. Instead of sticking to their old formula, they turned into something really ridiculous.

album is terrible... i'll stick w/ rhapsody and dark moor for my fix of power metal :P

but no, i liked their last cd just fine, it was good... the one before, meh... didn't blow me away, but this one... just sounds like one big joke cd... music is fine singing isn't... i liked his singing in between screaming... but not this, this isn't good

The metallica and venom records are weak.......everything metallica has ever done is weak. this band blows. I like metal, but not this cheesy, fashion metal. Gimme punk metal, like Discharge or Rudimentary Peni or Black Flag.

Anonymous (June 7, 2005)

This is probably the most inaccurate review of an album I have ever read in my entire life. Congratulations.

Venom sucks. Avenged Sevenfold are now POWER METAL. You know, cheesy ass guitar solos and riffs and shit. Venom are BLACK METAl, you know, BURNING FUCKING CHRISTIAN TEMPLES UNTIL SMOKE COVERS THE EARTH, and Burzum and whatnot.

Anonymous (June 7, 2005)

actually, it was 2 posts below mine... the darkside.. you fucking poser. there's nothing dark about douchebags in make up playing fraudulent crap. listen to Funeral Mist, that shit's dark.

Anonymous (June 7, 2005)

To the moron below me... buy these records and then tell kids to "listen to a little metal"

there's a little start for ya. maybe then you'll realize Avenge Sevenfold are not fucking metal.

Anonymous (June 7, 2005)

Please dude I like metal and I like Avenged Sevenfold, and this is just complete hooey.

Anonymous (June 7, 2005)

no wonder all you punk bitches hate this record...you're scared of a little metal...i promise it wont make you turn to the dark side...quit hateing and open your minds...then you can put your nofx record back in...

I've always hated avenged Sevenfold...
...but in other more important yet depressing news the new Death By Stereo album is a disappointment. They took everything that was unique about them and turned themselves into another horrible metalcore type sounding band. Fucking hell do I hate all this modern hardcore/metalcore/screamo type shit. But I guess Death By Stereo have no one to blame but themselves for turning into shit.

Haven't heard the record, but my score is for that horrible review.
If I wanted to read a novel full of "$1000 words", I'd wake up for English class.

Anonymous (June 7, 2005)

there = their ....down there

Anonymous (June 7, 2005)

HAHAHAH that person down there promoting MEDEED has street teem written all over there face....i listened to a mendeed track right now and its even more generic than A7X.....

Anonymous (June 7, 2005)

Save your money for the new TEMPLARS CD being released on 28 JUNE by GMM records. The title is OUTREMER and it is going to be the record of the year. Forget about the metal stuff and listen to some real punk music.

Anonymous (June 7, 2005)

to the kid below who said "18v, atreyu, and a7x all started out the same way"....are you retarded?

atreyu were skate punk kids who jumped on the bandwagon.
avenged sevenfold were....ok i admit i don't know shit about a7x's roots.
but 18visions were your typical mosh metal band who a few years in, got ahold of a stone temple pilots cd and got confused.

i'm not a fan of any of these bands, but how can you say 18v and atreyu started out the same way? unless of course you're so dumb that you think "suicide notes..." and "vanity" were their respective first albums?

Anonymous (June 7, 2005)

who does this band think they're fooling?

Anonymous (June 7, 2005)

well the 1st album only had 1 stand out track, and also if your a DJ only 1 track anyone will ever move to on a dance floor...

Unholy Confessions!!

this is more accesible but it goes on and on and on.

generally PAP!!!

nice to get blown off stage by a support band at every single show. Exit Avenged Sevenfold (extremely battered and weak) enter the stars of their UK tour...

MENDEED blew the fuck out of A7X

Anonymous (June 7, 2005)

well, three paragraphs in and still have no idea what this album is like.... I don't have time for this dissertation! I'll assume it's OK.

Avenged Sevenfold wish they'd written this song: A star wars NOOOOOOOOOOOO version of United States Of Whatever:

http://static.ytmnd.com:8000/63000/63710/sound.mp3

Anonymous (June 7, 2005)

You know, this is so far below Waking the Fallen, its obscene. But I do appreciate power metal and all its cheesy glory, so I wll pick this up. Not bad, not great, but I dig it.

Anonymous (June 7, 2005)

These guys have always been a fucking joke. Glad to see some of you are finally starting to wake the fuck up.

-sickboi

Anonymous (June 7, 2005)

This band is disgraceful.

OC

Anonymous (June 7, 2005)

wow i REALLY want to hear this now lol. After reading some interview w/ the singer and him saying they wanted to go for more of a 'rock' sound on this one I was like 'ehhhh'. this review is just too funny.

I loved 'waking the fallen' while some of the songs were long winded and many of them sounded the same it was still a great throwback metal record, one of the few metal records I've gotten into since I mostly left my pantera, sepultura, fear factory, white zombie days behind me in the late 90's.

This shit is so fucking weak.....eyeliner, stylish outfits.....fucking weak, maybe if they quit concentrating so much on the pose they could figure out how to play good music. Eh.....probably not, but atleast this band would no longer exist. Generic riffs, weak screaming and terrible singing don't make a band hard, High On Fire or From Ashes Rise would tear this shitty band apart.

Anonymous (June 7, 2005)

i like their sound...don't hate...they aren't trying to be a hardcore band.....some of the songs sound a bit cheesy but all the songs on this album are catchy in some way or another....Sidewinder and M.I.A. are F'ing amazing!!!!

Anonymous (June 7, 2005)

This band is fucking good. How can you say motion city soundtrack cd is better that this? Are you crazy? Or are you emo gay?

Horrible, Horrible band... i was one of the people who hated M.Shadow's screaming the most and when they said he couldnt scream anymore i thought that might be a good thing... either he would learn to sing or Quit and die. Well he didnt do either so fuck.

you might be a closet homosexual if.....you find the above names homoerotic

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

- score is for my awesomness on a scale of 1 to 13 half stars

Anonymous (June 7, 2005)

personally i didn't like this record one bit... it's got cool riffs here and there in the first couple songs, that's about it.

what is refreshing is that it will hopefully make kids in skin tight black shirts and jeans either trade in their old a7x tshirts or find a brighter color to wear.

kudos to a7x for paving the new way of trends. kudos to them for wrestling their market to where they want it to go

Anonymous (June 7, 2005)

i read an interview where they decided to be "different" on this album because they didn't want to be lumped in with all the other metalcore bands (a hardcore band? no). fine. i can respect a band wanting to go a different route and mix things up. but this power metal shit is beyond ridiculous. and the spooky, Hot Topic imagery they're selling to the misunderstood alternateens of the nation makes them look even more like clowns. The makeup, the black clothing, the homoerotic nicknames........nah, fuck this band and all it stands for. These guys are an insult to anything ever hardcore or punk rock related, if in fact they ever were in the first place. Next stop, Ozzfest!

You know what, I spent half of my life idolizing Axl Rose. I'm gonna check this album out just for that reason, even though Against Me ! created one of the greatest albums I've ever heard when they reinvented him. Score is for Axl, you awesome/pretentious man.

way to rip a band apart. I like Aubin's review because they can be very harsh but also very classy - your take on the insult "douchebag" comes to mind. Nicely done.

Anonymous (June 7, 2005)

This band was has gotten better and worse at the same time. they lost the screaming and started ripping off DragonForce witch is always good but there song writting is just horrible. the riffs are good but they cant put any of it together in any listenable way. i listen to the intros and feel like it should be great but once the verse hits it just all turns to shit. anyone who even remotely likes this should check out Dragonforce.com.

these guys represent everything that is wrong with anything remotely related to hardcore in the world today....except their drummer. fucking awesome.

Anonymous (June 7, 2005)

good review.

Anonymous (June 7, 2005)

This guy has one of the worst screams and/or growls in punk/hardcore and Im happy to know its gone....too bad his singing is even worse! BLECH. This bands drummer is incredible though. Everything else sucks.

at one time i liked this band... then i heard the new song they posted, and it was horrid and sounded nothing like their old stuff... so i refuse to even waste my time and download this album... instead, i'll occasionaly listen to their last two, which were far superior...