I think that BENHAM Khosroshahi (KHOSROSHAHI Behnam) and KHALILI KHOSROSHAHI Behnam are the same rider under the identity of the latter with a new birthdate (07.02.1989). Both had no team after 31/05/2008 and rode in Malaysia. Moreover their names and birthdates could have been mistaken.

Some retired riders :#4405, RIBER SELLEBJERG Thomas and #410 LJUNGBLAD Jonas are both Sport Directors with Team Concordia

#2001, CORIONI Claudio announced his retirement a few days ago...

LeonCQ wrote:

done till here

Hans

Number of posts : 3187Registration date : 2009-08-17

Subject: Re: Rider data Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:25 pm

In case the names of the Brazilian riders in the database should all be arranged like the Portuguese (FATHER Given Mother), written without Da, De, Des or Dos and without accents, except for the ç and Ç, then I suggest the following changes for consistency:

In case the names of the Brazilian riders in the database should all be arranged like the Portuguese (FATHER Given Mother), written without Da, De, Des or Dos and without accents, except for the ç and Ç, then I suggest the following changes for consistency:

Portuguese names order is MOTHER Given (usually two, but also one or three) Father. But I think your corrections are ok

One small remark re Hans' excellent overview of Brazilian names. It all seems rather consequent the way it is done now, but still one name puzzles me (and mainly because I want to know for sure I understand what is going on :-)

6675;SOUZA JUNIOR Geraldo Silvais mentioned in teh Results of the Copa America as SILVA JUNIOR, Geraldo. IN the Brazilian Ranking 04.2378.04he is named Geraldo da Silva JrSo shouldn't it be more logic to name him SILVA JUNIOR Geraldo Souza

Frans

LeonCQ

Number of posts : 588Registration date : 2009-03-07

Subject: Re: Rider data Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:50 pm

Riccoen wrote:

Portuguese names order is MOTHER Given (usually two, but also one or three) Father.

Wiki:The first surname is usually the mother's family surname and the second surname is the father's family surname; (however, the order of the surnames can be reversed and it is common to find people with three or four surnames)

Mundovelo

Number of posts : 391Registration date : 2011-06-01

Subject: Re: Rider data Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:38 pm

LeonCQ wrote:

Riccoen wrote:

Portuguese names order is MOTHER Given (usually two, but also one or three) Father.

Wiki:The first surname is usually the mother's family surname and the second surname is the father's family surname; (however, the order of the surnames can be reversed and it is common to find people with three or four surnames)

MOREIRA is mother namePAULINHO is father name

In Spain it is on the contrary

ex-:

Joaquin RODRIGUEZ OLIVER

RODRIGUEZ is father name

OLIVER is mother name

LeonCQ

Number of posts : 588Registration date : 2009-03-07

Subject: Re: Rider data Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:41 pm

Mundovelo wrote:

MOREIRA is mother namePAULINHO is father name

In Spain it is on the contrary

Yes, that's how I know it for some decades.

Hans

Number of posts : 3187Registration date : 2009-08-17

Subject: Re: Rider data Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:36 pm

franss wrote:

One small remark re Hans' excellent overview of Brazilian names. It all seems rather consequent the way it is done now, but still one name puzzles me (and mainly because I want to know for sure I understand what is going on :-)6675;SOUZA JUNIOR Geraldo Silva is mentioned in teh Results of the Copa America as SILVA JUNIOR, Geraldo. IN the Brazilian Ranking 04.2378.04 he is named Geraldo da Silva JrSo shouldn't it be more logic to name him SILVA JUNIOR Geraldo Souza Frans

If you also in the women database want to arrange the Brazilian names in accordance with the Portuguese method then the following are the corrections:173;SILVA Janildes Fernandes229;SILVA Clemilda Fernandes528;SOUZA Uenia Fernandes (website off line)

Please be careful here! The Fernandes Silva sisters are commonly known as Fernandes.

If the second surname in a Portuguese or Brazilian name is very common (for example Silva or Souza), the first surname is very often used instead of the second one. A well-known example is Ayrton Senna da Silva.

So, you have to look at it case by case, especially when the fathers name is Silva or Souza. The first rider mentioned above, should stay FERNANDES SILVA Janildes.

21234;KASHULULU Chiponeni Fiffy;NAM1991060121236;HAMUNYELA Johannes;NAM1993020814558;LOUBSER Jacques is the same rider as 12810;LOUBSER “Kosie” (who’s official name is actually Jacobus) 7935;GREEFF Jacques;RSA19840802