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I was reading the Friday paper and I came across this little magazine called Life. There was a picture of this really sute dog called a Doodle. The have many kinds is Doodles. They have ones that are a mix between a lab and a poodle, a snchauzer and a poodle and a some others. They where breeding many kinds of dogs with poodles to try and get a dog that did not shed. Go to http://www.life.com/Life/ to see a picture. They are so cute!!

i don't know which one that is, the goldendoodle or the labradoodle. we have several of these doodles that come to our clinic and if you didn't tell me what they were i would never in a million years guess that combo. they don't resemble either of the 2 breeds. to me they have more of a wirehaired pointer looking face. especially with the beard they have.

The doodle dogs have been around since the early 1980's - at least the labradoodles. In the last couple of years we have seen those who suffer from allergies want a larger variety of dogs to choose from. With this demand, we have seen an increase in Goldendoodles, Schnoodles, Shepadoodles, Rottidoodles, Huskydoodles and the like. Some of these make absolutely wonderful pets and most (not all) of them are becoming more shed friendly. In the next 20 years we can have a whole host of low shed dogs....allowing those with allergies to finally enjoy the love of a pet which we all share today. Some of these people take great care in breeding these dog and I think they should be commended. You have to do your research when buying one to make sure you buy from a good breeder because as with all breeds, there are people in it only to make money.

Before someone goes off at me telling me that all breeds were mixes once, I know. But purebreds today were bred for some signifcant reason, and not just for "low-shed," or for being a service dog. There are plenty of low-shed breeds out there, big and small. There are many smart breeds out there that could be great service dogs. So pick one of those. Way back when, when most breeds were accepted into parent clubs (AKC, UKC, etc.), people didn't breed for money. They needed hunting dogs and water retrievers for food, and a Corgi to herd their cattle, a Sheltie to heard their sheep.

~~But purebreds today were bred for some signifcant reason, and not just for "low-shed," or for being a service dog.~~ And the Shih Tzu was bred for what? Companionship. I'm not sure that falls into the 'significant reason' category but they are an AKC recognized breed. Can't we all just be a little more open minded here? Many dogs were bred for a purpose, but there are alot that weren't. Some dogs, we don't even know their origin but somehow, the AKC can call them a pure breed and that makes them fit into that 'significant reason' category. I completely understand what you are saying. I really do, but some of these crosses deserve a little more credit than they are getting here. Especially when it's due to crossing that we have so many great breeds. Maybe we don't 'need' anymore breeds, but if pedigree'd crossing does not occur we may be missing out on something really grand. We don't know what some of these breeds may bring to us in the future but they ARE going to bring it - because they are being bred and pedigree'd. I'm not asking you to like it, just be open to the fact that some good may very well come from it. More harm is done in animal research labs than could ever be done in the cross breeding world. Even BYB's and puppy mills have better conditions. In one controlled study a dog (and cat) each had their brain probed with electrical stimuli so that we could learn more about the association areas of the brain. A mouse was given electrical stimuli that gave him 'pleasure'. He was allowed to repeat this tast as often as he allowed because scientists wanted to see if the 'pleasure' would keep bring him back. After over 400,000 return trips for the 'pleasure' the mouse died from exhaustion. These sorts of tests are conducted on all sorts of animals, including dogs. I'll be happy to provide anyone with the info on where to read about this, if needed as I don't want you to think I'm just sitting here talking. I am all for research - but only in mandated and controlled environments and on classes of animals such as rodents which have not proven any signs of developing a human attachment such as a dog. Now, with stuff like this going on - is responsible cross breeding really that big of a problem? In essence, you are telling the medically challenged (who suffer from severe allergic reactions) that they cannot have a pet because it is not 'moral' by your standards. These people have every right to have a pet - just as we do. I know that ALL these dogs do not turn out low shed, but with years of selective breeding and pedigree we can help thee people enjoy one of the worlds greatest gifts - a dog. For someone who wants a dog as desperately as some of these people do - Im sure they'd love to go to a shelter and pick one out.......but they cant because they do not know the dogs pedigree (unless it looks like a poodle and you know there is poodle in it). Thats why I support registries who pedigree these dogs. That helps make it responsible and provided information to those who need a pedigree. Am I the only one who can see the good that can come out of all this?

Well, the whole AKC "Toy" group was pretty much bred for companionship, with a few exceptions. But people didn't breed to make money back then. People wanted a little dog, and breeders would breed to acheive that, not money. 98% of designer mutt "breeders" "breed" for profit, in my opinion. Find a good "Labradoodle" breeder out there, and please let me know of it. ---Allie the Chihuahua http://www.dogster.com/?41063 ---Mönica the Kitty http://www.catster.com/?57596

~~But purebreds today were bred for some signifcant reason, and not just for "low-shed," or for being a service dog~~ So according to your last post......it's no longer about breeding for a significant reason (because as Diz mentioned, if you look at it that way then we need to include the pure bred breeders of toy dogs in our irresponsible breeders list).......but now it's because people breed for money? Which is it, I'm confused?

Okay i agree with Allie yall are just tryng to get her to mess up. What she is trying to say is that people that "breed" "designer mutts" do it for money. Not to help people at all they just want the money out of it. The people are usually puppymills or BYB's or pet stores who sell these animals. I stand behind Allie 100%. DIz you bring up many good points. But still no dog deserves to be brought up in a pet store or puppy mill. Just like they dont deserve to be in a lab. Kallie http://dogster.com/pet_page.php?j=t&i=75166

~~What she is trying to say is that people that "breed" "designer mutts" do it for money. Not to help people at all they just want the money out of it. The people are usually puppymills or BYB's or pet stores who sell these animals~~ You must be out of your mind if you think EVERY cross breed is bred for money. Granted, ALOT of them are....but there are some VERY dedicated breeders out there who place so much time and effort into making sure these dogs are bred correctly. The poo mixes are a wonderful concept. In future years, people who formerly could not own anything other than a poodle can soon have the variety of dogs that we all have now. How can you argue with that? Diz does make some great points. Generalizing ALL cross breed breeders as 'bad' is just not true. Some of these cross dogs ARE being bred with more of a purpose than some pure breeds that are recognized by the AKC were. I think the moeny seems to be more of an issue than the breeding itself. As far as that goes - you can't sell a pet to someone for more than they are willing to pay.

The only designer mutt I will ever support is the "Labradoodle" IF the yhave these now or in the near future: An official nationwide breed club Many local clubs A very desciptive standard (since all the "LDs" look different from "breeder" to "breeder") Maybe in the next 10 years, an invitation into AKC's FSS ---Allie the Chihuahua http://www.dogster.com/?41063 ---Mönica the Kitty http://www.catster.com/?57596

I am sorry, Ansy, but when people could only own a poodle because of allergies, well, then those people were not the smartest people because there are more non-shed breeds than that, such as Schnauzers, and other terrier breeds, most, not all, but most terriers don't shed or shed very little. Unfortunately, people are taking a great dog, the poodle, and destroying it and it's great qualities by creating a not needed dog breed. If people are allergic to dogs and are not willing to get a real purebred or adopt an "accidental non shed mix" from the shelter, then maybe they shouldn't get a dog. I want a horse very badly, but I can't have one because I am allergic to them, think someone could rig me up a Ponypoo?? Please?

I do not agree with mixing breeds deliberately. That is not to say anything against the dogs themselves, though. If I saw a dog at a shelter that fit what I was searching for, and it was a deliberately crossed breed, I would not hesitate to adopt it. I recently met the sweetest little "cockapoo." Her owners had adopted her before the previous owners walked into the humane society to drop her off.

~~If people are allergic to dogs and are not willing to get a real purebred or adopt an "accidental non shed mix" from the shelter, then maybe they shouldn't get a dog. ~~ I find it absurd that you suggest limitations on people due to your own personal beliefs. Thats like saying " If people aren't willing to buy an American made car or purchase a car from a used car lot, then maybe they shouldn't get a car". Same concept.

-sigh- Make the designer mutts stop! :( Ansy1: Ansy, that is a mean thing to say! Dogs in the shelters are there because they were treated like used toys! Adopt a homeless dog for about 200 at the most, then buy a designer mutt for 1,000? I don't get it. Those poor mutts in the shelters! How can you say that?

" If people aren't willing to buy an American made car or purchase a car from a used car lot, then maybe they shouldn't get a car". The only difference, is that there are a) manufacturers biulding these cars who know what they are doing(i.e. good breeders), and b) I don't see a bunch of backyard car makers creating 'new cars' because of any beneficial reason, do you? Or am I missing something, do they make allergy efficient cars now too? Would that be a fordapoo or a chevredoodle?? There is no need for new car manufacturers anyway, we have enough, well known and reputable car manufacturers with out creating things like the Fordillac or the Pontiysler. People don't mix 'car breeds' together.

I try so hard to be nice...... indiscriminate breeding of dogs should simply not be done. It doesn't matter if it's a designer mutt, or last years winner of Westminster. If the dog is not sound in body and mind do NOT breed it. Animals used for breeding should not have defects no matter the breed..... for example, AKC champions with luxating patellas.... Any dog with fractious temperament should not be bred.... and, I'm not talking about a well adjusted security animal. I'm talking about the fear biters..... the english springer people need to do some work on this...... breed for brains a little more and get the beauty out of the picture. Get the "sport" of dog shows back into the purebred world and get the politics out of the game. Let the prize be satisfaction of raising quality animals, not the blue ribbon and the highest prices. OTOH, if a farmer has a couple very smart dogs that are helping him herd cattle, work the fences or whatever and they are sound animals there is a good reason for him to reproduce more working dogs. I was once asked WHEN would I support non purebred breeding... this one worked for me. BUT.... a trip to any county animal shelter should certainly be a good enough reason to try to prevent the vast majority of breedings going on. There are purebreds there right alongside all the special county "deigner mutts" that no longer have homes. In my entire life I have never bred any dogs and raised puppies of my own. My personal dogs come from quality breeders, and rescue. I have been exposed to the excesses of animal breeders my entire life and it's only my pet peeve watching most people breeding for the wrong reasons. I won't belittle a person for getting their dogs for whatever reason from less than appropriate source. It's your right to make mistake and to learn from them if necessary. Many times everything will go just fine and the designer mutt will make great lifetime pet. I just know in my heart that there was probably a pet at the shelter that could have filled those shoes too...... Do NOT belittle those of us though that just can not support the addition of new designer breeds...... If something new and truly diverse comes along that is different from what is already available, then perhaps it would be the time to persue it. I would bet that the majority of people that have worked with animals for even as little as 4-5 years professionally would agree with me already. We really do have an insight that is sometimes not given enough credit for. Good luck with all your pets once you have them!! Learn about them, love them, feed them well, give them a job to do (train them to suit your needs) take care of their medical needs. Spay/Neuter and identify your pets. It's easy. My recipe for responsible dog ownership.

Wench - you provided an excellent post......but on your comment... ~Do NOT belittle those of us though that just can not support the addition of new designer breeds.~~ I can handle that....as long as you don't belittle those of us that do.