In a year that has already produced pro-conspiracy books from Harvard University PRess (ok in my opinion) and former Washington Post Editor Jefferson Morley (absolutely essential) this sounds like the best pro-conspiracy argument ever.

I have never seen reviews like this.

“Jim Douglass proposes a shocking rereading of the Kennedy presidency and assassination. He depicts a president deeply changed by the Cuban missile crisis and determined to end the Cold War with the USSR, change relations with Cuba and withdraw the troops from Vietnam. Thereby he became ‘marked for assassination.’ Douglass' message is that the greatest obstacle to world peace was and still is the secret National Security State that was built in the U.S. by the Cold War. To create a more peaceful world, U.S. Americans will have to take seriously the need to dismantle this secret government. Are we willing to take the risks?”—Rosemary Radford Ruether, Garrett-Evangelical Theological Seminary

“As always, Jim Douglass, a digger for facts and a debunker of myths, raises questions that cry out for answers—ones we deserve but haven’t been getting.”—Colman McCarthy, author, I’d Rather Teach Peace

“One of the most important books in recent years, JFK and the Unspeakable sheds the light of truth on our war-making government and its pursuit of global domination at all costs. I hope many churchpeople will read it to understand the depth of our country’s unspeakable darkness and be free, in the spirit of John Kennedy and Jim Douglass, to pursue ‘peace for all humanity.’” —John Dear, S.J., author, Living Peace

“For those who think that economics and politics are merely profane matters without spiritual roots and consequences, reading James Douglass should be a giant step toward right-mindedness. Bluntly stated, he has painstakingly unmasked the normalized politics of our marauding, perpetual-war economy as nothing less than the willful embracing of the Unspeakable, the voice from whence the spirits of havoc and horror, deceitfulness and murder are begotten.”—(Rev.) Emmanuel Charles McCarthy

“Reading this book brings astonishment and deep sadness because of what might have been. Readers will, I hope, be inspired to work for a return to the kind of leadership JFK offered.”—Bishop Thomas J. Gumbleton "JFK and the Unspeakable is an exceptional achievement. Douglass has made the strongest case so far in the JFK assassination literature as to the Who and the Why of Dallas. The conjunction of unrestrained elements in cold war America—defense industry elites, Pentagon planners, and the heads of the intelligence community—were the forces that led inexorably to Dallas and the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.”--Gerald McKnight, author, Breach of Trust: How the Warren Commission Failed the Nation and Why

“With penetrating insight and unswerving integrity, Douglass probes the fundamental truths about JFK’s assassination. If, he contends, humanity permits those truths to slip into history ignored and undefined it does so at its own peril. By far the most important book yet written on the subject.”—Gaeton Fonzi, former Staff Investigator, US House Select Committee on Assassinations

“Douglass presents, brilliantly, an unfamiliar yet thoroughly convincing account of a series of creditable decisions of John F. Kennedy—at odds with his initial Cold War stance—that earned him the secret distrust and hatred of hard-liners among the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the CIA. Did this suspicion and rage lead directly to his murder by agents of these institutions, as Douglass concludes? Many readers who are not yet convinced of this ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ by Douglass’s prosecutorial indictment will find themselves, perhaps—like myself—for the first time, compelled to call for an authoritative criminal investigation. Recent events give all the more urgency to learning what such an inquiry can teach us about how, by whom, and in whose interests this country is run.”—Daniel Ellsberg, author, Secrets: A Memoir of Vietnam and the Pentagon Papers

“For forty years Jim Douglass has been our leading North American Catholic theologian of peace. But this monumental work on the witness of JFK is something deeper still. Douglass is trying to get us to connect the dots between our ‘citizen denial,’ the government’s ‘plausible deniability,’ and the Unspeakable. This book has the potential to change our narrative about our country, and our lives as citizens and disciples. May we have ears to hear these truths, hearts able to bear their burden, and hands willing to build a new story.”—Ched Myers, author, Binding the Strong Man: A Political Reading of Mark’s Story of Jesus

“This book’s story of JFK and the ‘unspeakable’ is a stunning mix of political thriller and meticulous scholarship. Even as it points persuasively to rogue powers at work in the U.S. military-industrial complex, it also witnesses to the power of spirit, inspiring prophetic voices like Thomas Merton’s, turning a president like John Kennedy toward peace, thus also enabling readers to see into the current deep structure of U.S. war and empire. Douglass’s book offers a goldmine of information and is indispensable for building prophetic spirit and hope.”—Mark Lewis Taylor, Princeton Theological Seminary

“A remarkable book: devastating in its documented indictment of the dark forces that have long deformed the public life of this country, while also illuminating JFK’s final vision of world peace and documenting beyond reasonable doubt the unspeakable assassination of our last partially admirable president. This book should be required reading for every American citizen.”—Richard Falk, Milbank Professor of International Law Emeritus, Princeton University

“This is the most thoroughly researched and documented book ever written about President Kennedy’s determination to prevent a nuclear war—and how his success in that struggle cost him his life. And yet, Douglass leads us well beyond the ‘whodunit’ dimensions of the story. He leads us straight into the urgent implications for the present, into what Thomas Merton called the ‘unspeakable.’ In the shadows of our own time we begin to become better prepared to break free of the violence that threatens all of us today.”—Don Mosley, co-founder Jubilee Partners

“A remarkable achievement, outstanding even in an overcrowded field. It is profoundly conceived, researched, considered, argued, and written. Douglass shows persuasively how Kennedy’s innovative steps in foreign policy produced dangerous opposition within his own national security establishment. Not all will agree with his detailed speculation as to what happened in Dallas. But Douglass’s large picture of America’s political agony is, I believe, incontrovertible and certain to last.”--Peter Dale Scott, author Deep Politics and the Death of JFK

"Jim Douglass’s spiritual and eloquent telling of President John F. Kennedy’s martyrdom for peace is a peerless and extraordinary historical contribution.”—Vincent J. Salandria, author, False Mystery: Essays on the Assassination of JFK

“Douglass writes with moral force, clarity, and the careful attention to detail that will make JFK and the Unspeakable a sourcebook for many years to come, for it provides us with the stubborn facts needed to rebuild a constitutional democracy within the United States.”--Marcus Raskin, co-founder, Institute for Policy Studies

“Jim Douglass never ceases to surprise us, taking us where we do not expect or often wish to go. In this fascinating work he links politics and spirituality. In re-forming the past he reshapes the future, with hope, thank God.”--Bill J. Leonard, Dean and Professor of Church History Wake Forest University Divinity School

“Jim Douglass is a courageous and single-minded Christian whose convictions are reflected in his life and witness. In this provocative new book, he brings together history and spirituality at the intersection of one of the most pivotal—and yet still mystifying—events of the past century. A myth-exploding story and compelling read.”--Timothy George, Dean Beeson Divinity School of Samford University

“In JFK and the Unspeakable Jim Douglass steadily guides us toward a strategy of peace. By dramatizing JFK’s remarkable conversion away from a U.S. foreign policy based on military threat and force, Douglass holds forth hope for current generations to similarly dismantle our addiction to war. Douglass’s dedication to nonviolence could have salvific effects as people ponder this astonishing book.”—Kathy Kelly, Voices for Creative Nonviolence

An astonishing new examination of the Kennedy assassination and its meaning today for the struggle for peace.

James Douglass lays out the journey that led JFK in the course of three years from his position as a traditional ColdWarrior to his determination to break with the logic of the Cold War and lead the world in an entirely different direction. This sequence of steps led his adversaries in the military and intelligence establishment to view him as a virtual traitor who had to be eliminated.

Douglass’s book has all the elements of a political thriller. But the stakes couldn’t be higher. Only by understanding the truth behind the murder of JFK can we grasp his vision and assume the urgent struggle for peace today.

“For forty years Jim Douglass has been our leading North American Catholic theologian of peace. But this monumental work on the witness of JFK is something deeper still. . . .This book has the potential to change our narrative about our country, and our lives as citizens and disciples.May we have ears to hear these truths, hearts able to bear their burden, and hands willing to build a new story.”—Ched Myers, author, Binding the Strong Man

James W. Douglass is a longtime peace activist and writer.He and his wife Shelley are co-founders of the Ground Zero Center for Nonviolent Action in Poulsbo, Washington, and Mary’s House, a Catholic Worker house of hospitality in Birmingham, Alabama. His books include The Nonviolent Cross, The Nonviolent Coming of God, and Resistance and Contemplation.
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_________________The Kennedy Assassination is not about Kennedy
Many aspects of Cold War history run through it.
There is a good reason its become a "word" almost like "Oliver Stone"

Kennedy fires Allan Dulles after Bay of Pigs. Dulles is coincidentally in Dallas when Kennedy gets whacked...as is some guy named George Bush. Dulles then becomes part of cover up....aka Warren Commission.

_________________"If the people allow private banks to control their currency the banks and corporations will deprive the people of all their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." - Thomas Jefferson

Purple , I did not mean to imply that people were keeping sandy heads re conspiracies. There is still a lot of very new stuff coming out because of the littereally millions of docs that were released because of the Congressional law of 1993. These docs are still being released,( and some like George Joanides , are still bieng held back) I post about books here to help get the word out.

What good is reading a book if you dont communicate it to others. ? I also post about it on big city newspaper forums so s im not preacking to the choir.

Certainly didnt mean to imply that there were sandy heads here. Lots of new stuff in this Douglass book. I have read his work in the Lisa Pease Jim DiEugenio compilation THE ASSASSINATIONS WHICH I CANNOT RECOMMEND HIGHLY ENOUGH FOR EVERYONE. EVEN IF YOU THINK YOU KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT THE 4 MAJOR ASSASSINATIONS OF THE 60S YOU WILL GET WAY MORE IN THE ASSASSINATIONS. BEST OF ALL IS THE MEDIA FOCUS. They name names and directly quote letters from Newsweek to CIA

This is SO APROPOS to today, as only a couple of months ago PBS broadcast a left-gatekeeping piece of crap by called Oswalds Ghost. Two of the main sourcses were journalists that are Completely proven to be cia (with direct quotations !) in the Outstanding Book The Assassinations.

_________________The Kennedy Assassination is not about Kennedy
Many aspects of Cold War history run through it.
There is a good reason its become a "word" almost like "Oliver Stone"

A problem with the sheets being lifted on power elite skulduggery is that it makes martial law that much more attractive.

Exposes are popping up like terrorist alerts. Everywhere.

I won't play the globalists game and plan on a neofuture of dancing with borderline poverty. Ain't so bad if you are almost comfortable. I can still buy plenty of books that cost less than $10. And indulge another hobby of mine.

I should have been a writer. That career offers honor and the ability to educate and entertain.

Have you read any of Daniel Silva's works? Best sellers that weave fact with fiction are such a pleasure.

_________________"If the people allow private banks to control their currency the banks and corporations will deprive the people of all their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." - Thomas Jefferson

INTERESTING COMMENT BY FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMAN PUBLISHED DECEMBER 22 1963.

Also interesting that we rarely hear of this comment. The first I heard of it was as quoted here in James W. Douglass' incredible book JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters.
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On December 22, 1963, one month to the day after JFK's assassintion,
Former President Truman published a very carefully worded article in the
Washington Post warning the American people about the danger of the CIA
taking over the government. He wrote:

"I think it has become necessary to take another look at the purpose and
operations of our Central Intelligence Agency--CIA...for some time I
have been disturbed by the way the CIA has been diverted from its original
assignment. It has become an operational and at time a policy-making
arm of the Government. This has led to trouble and may have
compounded our difficulties in several explosive areas. We have grown up
as a nation, respected for our free institutions and for our ability to
maintain a free and open society. THere is something about the CIA
has been functioning that is casting a shadow over our historica position
and I feel that we need to correct it" (note 678, Chapter 6)

Trumans's warning, with its ominous post-assassination timing, was greeted
by total silence (note 679) Had it been noticed and heeded the , the
contraversial ex-president might have been accused more justly this time
of trying to abolish the CIA, since he did indeed want to abolish its covert
activities. Ptesident Harry Truman had himself established the CIA in
1947, but not he thought, to do what he saw it doing in the fall of 1963.

He restated his radical critique of the CIA in a letter writeen six months
later (note 680, Chapter 6). The managing editor of Look magazine had
sent Truman the latest Look featuring a piece on the CIA. Truman wrote
back:

"Thank you for the copy of Look with the article on the Central Intelligence
Agency. It is, I regret to say, not true to the facts in many respects. The
CIA was set up by me for the sole purposse of getting all the available
information to the president. It was not inteneded to operate as an
international agency engaged in strange activities" (note 681, Chapter 6)
(pp.332-333, JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters)
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"It has become an operational and at time a policy-making
arm of the Government. " Well Douglass book is full of examples of this
generalization by Truman.

* It shows the CIA working behind Kennedy's back during the Coup that
resulted in the death of Diem in Vietnam, and furthermore stongly
argues that this occured because Diem AND JFK were open to peace
talks with North Vietnam.

* It shows once and for all that the Bay of Pigs was a disaster because of
CIA intrigue that went on behind Kennedy's back and that the agency
was using the beach assault and deliberate disinformation to Kennedy
in order to force the President into ordering a US Marine invasion of
CUba, in spite of JFK's explicit warning to the JCS and CIA that he would
never do this.

* Perhaps most "explosive" of all of the CIA activities that went on without
presidential authorization and in contradiction of his broader policy
goals, Douglass shows how the CIA worked with right wing Cuban
assets and friendly US media assets (even though this was against the
law, as set forth in the CIA's 1947 charter) to try to provoke a US
invasion of Cuba.

Had JFK followed this CIA lead, we would all not be here tonight engaged in
this remaining democratic freedom. Thats how close we came to it all being
over, citizens.

_________________The Kennedy Assassination is not about Kennedy
Many aspects of Cold War history run through it.
There is a good reason its become a "word" almost like "Oliver Stone"

Today professional journals are often cited in contraversial issues such as 9/11. Yet this book shows an example of the prestigious Journal of the American Medical Association being used for purposses of disinformation, when one of the key doctors wrote a book called Trauma Room One. JAMA CLAIMED THAT HE WAS NOT EVEN IN THE OPPERATING ROOM, WHEN FIVE DIFFERENT DOCTORS AND NURSES REFFERENCED HIM DIRECTLY EVEN IN THE OFFICIAL WARREN COMMISSION PUBLISHED TESTIMONY!
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RE: USE OF JAMA FOR DISINFORMATION ABOUT Dr. CRENSHAW AND HIS
OBSERVATIONS ABOUT HOW THE SECRET SERVICE PRESSURED THE PARKLAND HOSPITAL DOCTORS TO CHANGE THEIR TESTIMONY.

Along similar lines see this interesting comment about another such professional journal, and its use in disinformation, and the scattering of dissenting opinions about the JFK autopsy. Until reading this I hadawlays thought Phi Slamma JAMA was an allusion to an old center for the Hous.
Rockets. Apparently its origins date to another Mute Yale Collective, this group of fervent youthfull ideologues being designed for premeds who dreamed of one day trading in reconstructive autopsies:

In April 1992, Crenshaw same out with his book JFK: Conspiracy of Silence which revealed what he had seen of President Kennedy's
wounds, contradicting the Warren Report. The book rose to number one on the NYT best-seller list. Crenshaw was then attacked in
print by the director of the FBI's Dallas office, who claimed "the documentation does not show that the doctor was involved in any way,"
and by a former Warren Commsssion attorney, who said the press should demand "fulll financial disclusure [of Crenshaw] because
hundreds of thousands and millions have been made of the assassination." Then, to his surprise, Crenshaw was denounced by the
prestigious Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA)

In in its may 27, 1992, issue, JAMA published two article suggsting Dr. Crenshaw was not even in Trauma Room One with President
Kennedy. JAMA's editor promoted the articles by a New York press conference that revieved massive press coverage. Dr. Cren-
shaw submitted to JAMA a series of articles and letters responding to the charge that he was a liar. He pointed out that in testimony
before the Warren Commission five different doctors and nurses had specifically mentioned seeing him working with them to revive
the president. They made it clear Crenshaw had been in Trauma Room One, doing exactly what he said he did in Conspiracy of Silence.

All of Dr. Crenshaw's written efforts to set the record straight on JAMA's pages were rejected by the editor. Crenshaw then sued the
journal. In 1994, therough court -ordered mediation, JAMA agreed to pay Dr. Crenshaw and his co-author Gary Shaw, a sum of money.
JAMA also agreed to publish their rebuttal article, which eventually appeared in an abbreviated version. Then JAMA published still another
piece attacking Crenshaw, Shaw and their book (p. 311, JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He DIed and Why It Matters)

_________________The Kennedy Assassination is not about Kennedy
Many aspects of Cold War history run through it.
There is a good reason its become a "word" almost like "Oliver Stone"

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Here is a recent reference to this book by the historian Lisa Pease. This book is starting to take off even though it is not being allowed into the Barnes and Noble and has no add budget. This book connect POLICY to the assassination. It is the elbow of the American Century, the last point at which someone thought that there was flexibility.

People do not learn by studying this and then that.

People learn by studying one thing long enough. This book is it.-----Obama's Risky 'Team of Rivals'

By Lisa Pease December 1, 2008

It’s good to see President-elect Barack Obama studying history. How wonderful to have a President who actually reads book such as Doris Kearns Goodwin’s A Team of Rivals about Abraham Lincoln’s inclusion of political opponents in his war-time Cabinet.

But there’s another “team of rivals” in more recent history that proved disastrous for a President's goals. If there’s one book Obama should read before he sets any more appointments in stone, it would be James Douglass’s remarkable book JFK and the Unspeakable.

Douglass outlines in clear form how a generous-minded President Kennedy brought his rivals into his inner circle, only to find them banding together against him and working against his stated goals.

While Kennedy brought in some of “the best and the brightest” with the likes of Ted Sorenson, Richard Goodwin and Kenny O’Donnell, he also extended a hand to several political opponents, including conservative Democrats and prominent Republicans.

Evidently Obama, like Kennedy, thinks that by taking the high road he can bring out the best in his opponents. Kennedy tried that, and his plan backfired terribly, no more so than in Vietnam.

Originally, Kennedy had appointed Frederick Nolting to be Ambassador to Vietnam. When Nolting asked to be released in 1963, Kennedy turned to an old friend, Edmund Gullion, who had warned Kennedy in 1951 that it would be folly to follow in France’s path in Vietnam.

Gullion had served as Kennedy’s ambassador to Congo where, as Douglass described, “Kennedy and Gullion promoted [the late UN Secretary Dag] Hammarskjöld’s vision of a united, independent Congo, to the dismay of the multinational corporations working ceaselessly to carve up the country and control its rich resources.”

Kennedy rejected the strong urgings of his State Department and Joint Chiefs to intervene militarily in Congo, even as the CIA had already been arming the secessionist regime in the Katanga province, an extraordinarily mineral-rich region within Congo.

Gullion’s efforts ensured the UN program laid out by Hammarskjöld remained in effect after Hammarskjöld’s death on Sept. 18, 1961, in a mysterious plane crash.

(After Kennedy’s assassination on Nov. 22, 1963, the fragile alliances in Congo fell apart, and the CIA’s chosen successor, Mobutu Sese Seko, came to power, ruling by theft, raiding the public coffers for private benefit and jailing any who objected, driving his nation’s per capita income down by nearly two-thirds and planting the seeds for the violence we see there today.)

Gullion, with his less belligerent approach to foreign policy, found himself at odds with Secretary of State Dean Rusk, whom Kennedy had appointed as a gesture to Cold War hardliners within the Democratic Party. Rusk opposed Gullion’s appointment to Saigon.

Enter Lodge

Not wanting to overrule his Secretary of State, Kennedy chose instead to reach out to a former rival and scion of the establishment, Henry Cabot Lodge. In 1952, Kennedy had beat out Lodge, the incumbent, for his Senate seat in Massachusetts. Lodge had been beaten by Kennedy again in 1960, as Lodge was Richard Nixon’s vice presidential pick.

In 1962, Ted Kennedy beat out another member of the Lodge family, deepening the enmity from the Lodges.

Lodge was very close to the CIA as well, having lobbied the UN on behalf of their efforts during the Eisenhower administration, frustrating international opposition to the CIA’s coups in Iran in 1953 and Guatemala in 1954.

In 1963, Lodge let it be known he was very interested in becoming ambassador to Vietnam. Why would Lodge want to serve his enemy? Because he was eyeing the Republican presidential nomination in 1964. He had his own agenda to enact in Vietnam, as Kennedy would soon learn in the worst of ways.

Robert Kennedy tried to warn his brother, telling him Lodge could cause the President “a lot of difficulty in six months.” Robert underestimated the timing, as Lodge became a problem almost as soon as he was appointed.

Kennedy let his close associates know that he wanted out of Vietnam at the earliest opportunity. But he felt he could not complete it before reelection, and wouldn’t get the chance if he tipped his hand too soon.

Kennedy tried to create the impression with the military and the CIA that he supported continuing American involvement there. But he told his friends and would-be allies the opposite.

At one point, he pulled one of the most vocal voices calling for American withdrawal from Vietnam, Senator Wayne Morse, out to the White House Rose Garden in the hopes of avoiding being overheard or bugged by the CIA. There, Kennedy told Morse, “Wayne, I’ve decided to get out. Definitely!”

Kennedy even confided in his next-door-neighbor in Hyannis Port, Larry Newman, “This war in Vietnam — it’s never off my mind, it haunts me day and night. … The first thing I do when I’m re-elected, I’m going to get America out of Vietnam.”

Diem Coup

But the CIA, and its ally Lodge, had other plans. Together, they had set in motion plans for a coup to remove Ngo Dinh Diem and his brother Ngo Dinh Nhu, without permission from Kennedy.

Kennedy learned that moves were being made behind his back after the fact. For example, he considered cutting off the commodity import program that was helping South Vietnam, as a sign to Diem that he was serious about the need for internal changes.

But Kennedy found to his great chagrin that David Bell, the head of the Agency for International Development (a well-known CIA front), had already cut off that aid.

"Who the hell told you do to that?" asked Kennedy.

"It's an automatic policy," Bell told him. "We do it whenever we have differences with a client government."

The cutting off of aid was also a specific, pre-arranged green light to the coup plotters. In other words, the CIA, not the President, was determining the timeline for the coup.

Kennedy urged Lodge as strongly as he could to negotiate with Diem, to not hold to a list of rigorous demands, but to seek some option that would allow the U.S. to continue to support the Diem government. But Kennedy also stopped short of giving Lodge a direct order.

Lodge stubbornly refused to have any contact with Diem, insisting talks would have no effect. Lodge finally bowed to pressure from the President and his Secretary of State to talk to Diem on Sept. 9, 1963.

However, Lodge dismissed Diem as having a "medieval view of life," and proved an ineffective negotiator. Diem's only choice was to surrender to American interests, or risk being overthrown in a coup.

In addition, Lodge warned Kennedy that if U.S. forces were to withdraw from Vietnam, that would speed up the coup plans. So Kennedy felt trapped. He couldn't talk about his plans for withdrawal without giving further hope to the coup plotters.

Diem needed to make some motion of accommodation to give Kennedy a reason to call off the coup entirely.

Just before the coup began, Diem finally gave Lodge the message Kennedy had been seeking – that he was willing to make accommodations.

Lodge dutifully reported Diem's statement, but not until an hour and a half after the coup started, with the key statement buried near the end of his report, and he sent his cable using the slowest process, when clearly such words deserved more urgency.

According to Maxwell Taylor's account, when Kennedy learned of the coup and the subsequent assassination of Diem and his brother on Nov. 2, 1963, "Kennedy leaped to his feet and rushed from the room with a look of shock and dismay on his face which I had never seen before."

If only Obama could read and learn from this history as well, before he completes his appointments. Bringing enemies into your camp does not guarantee they will serve your agenda.

Lisa Pease is a historian and writer who specializes in the mysteries of the John F. Kennedy era.

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I'm concerned that Obama is keeping Gates as Secretary of Defense...but the others he's chosen so far for the key positions are ok....although I realize it's early, early days and we can't know for sure what will happen. I just want peace and prosperity again. Will we get it? Not likely, but it's a great dream.

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pleasePLEASEPLEASEPLAEASPLEASE PLEASEPLEASE BUY THIS BOOK!!!!!!!! I SAID PLEASE. I HAVE ALREADY BOUGHT 15 COPIES FOR MY STUDENTS WITH MY OWN MONEY. THAT IS HOW EATHSHAKING IT IS. sorry. Hers is more stuff on the Chicago plot of 11-2-63. Note the unbelievable connection to the Fred Hampton murder of 1969, another famous event in American History. Chicago politics, indeed!This book is selling very well on Amazon. I have been promoting it non-stop for eight months every day on the internet. It is being boycotted by all book stores, but word is getting out!Then there are radically new insights into the National Security State provided in assassination research like this ON THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE CIA AND CHICAGO POLICE OFFICER WHO WAS INVOLVED IN BOTH THE NOVEMBER CHICAGO 1963 INCIDENT AND THE LATER 1969 MURDER OF BLACK PANTHER LEADER FRED HAMPTON UNDER WHAT MIGHT BE MISLABELED COINTELPRO--check this out; unbelievable!Sorry for the choppy type, but it sort of matches the choppy material!------------------Thomas Arthur valle was quickly identified from intelligence sources as an ex-Marine who was a "disaffiliated member of the JohnBirch Society,"....Vallee was also descirbed as a loner, a paranoind schizophrenic, and a gun collector. He fit perfectly the 'lone nut'profile that would late be used fo characterize ex-Marine Lee Harvey Oswald.

Only after two secret service agents surveilling Vallee found an M1 rifle, a carbine rifle, and twenty-five hundred rounds of ammunition, wereChicago police officers Daniel Groth and Peter Schurla assigned the task of surveilling Vallee on Novermber 2nd. Interestingly, Douglass notes thatboth of these officers were destined for

prominanat roles in police intelligence activites. In 1975, when a reporter tried unsuccessfully to interview Peter Schurlaabout Vallee's arrest,Schurla was a high-level intelligence official at Chicago police headquarters. His companion, Daniel Groth's career on intellignec had by thenbecome more public and more notorious tha Schurla's

At 4:30 A.M. on december 4, 1969, six years after the arrest of Thomas Arthur Vallee, Sergeant Daniel Groth commanded the police team that broke into the the Chicago aprtment of Black Panther leaders Fred Hampton and Mark Clark. The heavily armed officers shot both men to death. ...Groth (later) acknowledged under oath that his team of officers had carried out the assault of Fred Hampton and Mark Clark at the specific request of theFBI (JFK and the Unspeakable, p. 203-204)

Douglass goes on to note, however that Northeastern Illinois Prof. dan Stern researched Daniel groths background and found that Groth had takenseveral "training leaves" from the Chicago Police department to go to Washington D.C. where Groth' underwent speacialized counterintelligence training under the auspices of both the FBI and the CIA.

The Chicago Police Department and the Los Angeles Police department seem to have had the closest ties with the CIA. They were pioneer members of the Law Enforcemnt Intelligence Union, a CIA -police liason program that was seen as a rival to similar and older liason-programs that the FBI hadestablished with most other police departments. The LEIU was formed in 1956. This, of course, does not preclude other CIA-Police programs, but Los Angeles and Chicago seem to stand out as the oldest and largest.

There's lots more on this in Douglass' book. Not bad for the first page I fliped open

One has to wonder if Groth and Schurla knew about Vallee before they were tipped off by the Secret Service. It might sound like too little compartmentalization if they did, but given their earlier involvement with the CIA, and Schurla's later involvement in polical murder, itseems at least a possiblility.

More info on Thomas Vallee(see first post). Note the similarities to Lee Harvey Oswald.

*Thomas Arthur Vallee was wounded in the Korean War. An FBI teletypeon Vallee the week after Kennedy's Assassination stated that the ex-Marine had a prior history of mental commitment, "allegedly has a metalplate in his scalp," and "recieved complete disability from the V. A"(footnote 165 chapter 6) * a few days after being discharged from the Marines, Vallee suffered a second head injury, this one follwed by a "complete rehabilitationprogram, learning all over again how to walk, talk and hold a knife and fork (note 167)* Soon after he returned home his father died of a heart attack. An Uncle accused Thomas of killing his father, driving him to death byhis errant behavior. His sister said Vellee felt deeply guilty about hisfather's death. "After the accident," she said, "my brother was never the same again".* Vallee told invesitgative reported Edwin Black that he had been assigned by the Marines to a U-2 base in Japan, Camp Otsu.(note 172)" Vallee thereby came under the control of the CIA, which commanded the U-2 just as Oswald would come under the CIA'scontrol as a radar operator at another CIA U-2 base, in Japan.* Like Oswald Vallee was involved with a camp being used as atraining ground by the CIA for Cuban exiles in a plan to assassinateFidel Castro.* Vallee's close CIA connections, like Oswald's help to explain how he too, came to be employed at a site over a presidential parade route.

"In August 1963 as Oswald was preparing to move from New Orleans backto Dallas, Vallee moved from New York City back to Chicago (note 175Chapter 6) Just as Oswald got a job in a warehouse right over Kennedy'future motercade route in Dallas, so, too did Vallee get a job in a warehouse right over Kennedy's motorcade route in Chicago. Like Oswald in Dallas (before his summer in New Orleans), Vallee foundemployment as a printer. He was hired by IPP Litho-Plate, located at625 West Jackson Boulevard in Chicago."

The author, James W. Douglass, describes the view from the roof of 625 West Jackson:

"From its roof I could look down and over to where JFK's presidentiallimousine had been scheduled to make a slow turn up from the Northwest Expressway (today ironically the Kennedy Expressway)exit ramp onto West Jackson on November 2, 1963. It was analogousto the slow curve the limousine woul make in Dallas in front of the Texas School Book Depository three weeks later. In the Chicago motorcade, after proceeding one more block, President Kennedy woul have passed by Vallee's workplace, just as he would in fact pass by Oswald's workplace in Dallas three weeks later

Vallee's location at IPP Litho-Plate actually gave him a nearer, clearerview ofthe November 2 Chicago motorcade than Oswald's so-called "sniper's nest" did onf the November 22nd Dallas Motercade"(JFK and the Unspeakable:Why He Died and Why It Matters, p. 206)

RE: USE OF JAMA FOR DISINFORMATION ABOUT Dr. CRENSHAW AND HISOBSERVATIONS ABOUT HOW THE SECRET SERVICE PRESSURED THE PARKLAND HOSPITAL DOCTORS TO CHANGE THEIR TESTIMONY.

Along similar lines see this interesting comment about another such professional journal, and its use in disinformation, and the scattering of dissenting opinions about the JFK autopsy. Until reading this I hadawlays thought Phi Slamma JAMA was an allusion to an old center for the Hous. Rockets. Apparently its origins date to another Mute Yale Collective, this group of fervent youthfull ideologues being designed for premeds who dreamed of one day trading in reconstructive autopsies:

In April 1992, Crenshaw same out with his book JFK: Conspiracy of Silence which revealed what he had seen of President Kennedy'swounds, contradicting the Warren Report. The book rose to number one on the NYT best-seller list. Crenshaw was then attacked in print by the director of the FBI's Dallas office, who claimed "the documentation does not show that the doctor was involved in any way,"and by a former Warren Commsssion attorney, who said the press should demand "fulll financial disclusure because hundreds of thousands and millions have been made of the assassination." Then, to his surprise, Crenshaw was denounced by the prestigious Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA)

In in its may 27, 1992, issue, JAMA published two article suggsting Dr. Crenshaw was not even in Trauma Room One with President Kennedy. JAMA's editor promoted the articles by a New York press conference that revieved massive press coverage. Dr. Cren-shaw submitted to JAMA a series of articles and letters responding to the charge that he was a liar. He pointed out that in testimonybefore the Warren Commission five different doctors and nurses had specifically mentioned seeing him working with them to revivethe president. They made it clear Crenshaw had been in Trauma Room One, doing exactly what he said he did in Conspiracy of Silence.

All of Dr. Crenshaw's written efforts to set the record straight on JAMA's pages were rejected by the editor. Crenshaw then sued the journal. In 1994, therough court -ordered mediation, JAMA agreed to pay Dr. Crenshaw and his co-author Gary Shaw, a sum of money.JAMA also agreed to publish their rebuttal article, which eventually appeared in an abbreviated version. Then JAMA published still anotherpiece attacking Crenshaw, Shaw and their book (p. 311, JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He DIed and Why It Matters)The Political Assassinations of the 1960s were about real

_________________The Kennedy Assassination is not about Kennedy
Many aspects of Cold War history run through it.
There is a good reason its become a "word" almost like "Oliver Stone"

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Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:01 pm

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1) Great stuff to persue. It only makes sense that JAMA would quickly come under the control of the power elite. This is done by purchasing control of the leadership.

2) Your last sentence was not completed.

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