What are the odds of Kanter & Otto Von North Dakota going 2 & 3? Have to be pretty long.

We'll get our PG in a PG laegue and a talented big. And we'll suck for one more year as they get tons of rookie PT. Hopefully we add a wing next year and the big hope is Phil Dunphy doesn't fuck it all up like tBH1 did at every opportunity.

And the nation loves the Dan Gilbert story. So heartwarming. A human Sea Biscuit.

e0y2e3 wrote:Kanter never played on the big big time team. He was always junior level. Never has played against the best competition.

You know it is all about projection at this point and not resume. If they think Kanter can project they don't care if he played rugby with the faculty side on Meaning of Life. Will any of these top guys play against each other in any summer predraft shit.

All I care about is that even in a shitty draft year we got what may well be 2 solid building block pieces in a premier PG prospect and a big.

Rest of the pieces should be fillable by next year's lotto pick and a skilled GM who can do what they did in memphis

What would a rebuilding thread be without talking about the Cavs contract situation, which actually works out pretty well with the new draft picks.

They only have one more year of paying Jamison's corpse and Baron Davis drops off the roster the year after. Aside from SideShowBob the Cavs essentially have no salary obligations going forward from the 2012/13 season. Again, the Cavs look to be in a pretty good cap situation.

Coming from a Wolverine, we're the football equivalent of a formerly abused wife of a meth addict who just remarried the safe nice guy. We're just glad we have someone who's aware that it's a rivalry and that tackling on defense is integral. Baby steps.

Jameson should have been traded for a protected first last summer. Pisses me off that Gilbert had to make his stupid ass run.

BTW:

"Clippers general manager Neil Olshey engaged in some immediate damage control, telling NBA.com's Scott Howard-Cooper that the Cavs wouldn't have done the trade with protections on the pick, and that had L.A. not acquired Williams, it would not have finished the season 11-11. That will be small consolation to Clippers' fans who have lost a shot at pairing a playmaker like Irving with a beast like Blake Griffin.""

e0y2e3 wrote:Kanter never played on the big big time team. He was always junior level. Never has played against the best competition.

You know it is all about projection at this point and not resume. If they think Kanter can project they don't care if he played rugby with the faculty side on Meaning of Life. Will any of these top guys play against each other in any summer predraft shit.

All I care about is that even in a shitty draft year we got what may well be 2 solid building block pieces in a premier PG prospect and a big.

Rest of the pieces should be fillable by next year's lotto pick and a skilled GM who can do what they did in memphis

How do we get our hands on a skilled GM?

Criminals in this town used to believe in things...honor, respect."I heard your dog is sick, so bought you this shovel"

Drafts suck period, and I include the NFL (w/exception to the first round SOME times). tAss lottery is no different, there's no meat, it's like watching paint dry 99% of the time for 99% of all w/hopes, at least it's quick dry paint though.

Criminals in this town used to believe in things...honor, respect."I heard your dog is sick, so bought you this shovel"

FUDU wrote:Drafts suck period, and I include the NFL (w/exception to the first round SOME times). tAss lottery is no different, there's no meat, it's like watching paint dry 99% of the time for 99% of all w/hopes, at least it's quick dry paint though.

Only you could be fucked in the head enough to be debby downer tonite. probably casue there's still snow on ur street or some dumb shit like that

Can you imagine how quickly that kid got out of bed and ready for school today? This is going to be the second best day of his life behind when he slipped Wendy Peffercorn tongue at the pool that summer. Great night for the Cavs though, hope it draws some interest coming into the season.

"Dammit you piss me off. I f#ckin hate you and I hope you f#cking get killed by a rabid polar bear you douche bag."

Bayou Tribe wrote:Can you imagine how quickly that kid got out of bed and ready for school today? This is going to be the second best day of his life behind when he slipped Wendy Peffercorn tongue at the pool that summer. Great night for the Cavs though, hope it draws some interest coming into the season.

Bayou, great call on the resemblance to Squints Palledorous.

I heart that kid FOREVER FOREVER

"It's all about winning for me, and I think the Cavs are committed to doing that," he said. "But at the same time I've given myself options to this point, and like I said before, me and my team, we have a game plan that we're going to execute, and we'll see what we get."

Still maintain we should have at least gotten a bad contract/first rounder with it.

I think they had a deal in place for Rip Hamilton and a protected 2012 first rounder at the deadline that fell apart due to buyout issues (i.e. Rip being a bitch about it). Hopefully they can restart those talks before July 1. You'd think Detroit would jump at shedding that contract and Rip might warm up to a lump buyout with a lockout looming closer.

"Well then I guess there's only one thing left to do...win the whole, f***in', thing."- Jake Taylor

Still maintain we should have at least gotten a bad contract/first rounder with it.

I think they had a deal in place for Rip Hamilton and a protected 2012 first rounder at the deadline that fell apart due to buyout issues (i.e. Rip being a bitch about it). Hopefully they can restart those talks before July 1. You'd think Detroit would jump at shedding that contract and Rip might warm up to a lump buyout with a lockout looming closer.

Going to be very interesting to see Gilbert's willingness to spend this season with revenues down greatly. Although, last nights lotto sure as shit isn't going to hurt ticket sales.

To this point, Gilbert has been praised for doing the same thing Dick Jacobs was praised for - spending a portion of a large sum of profits on the team.

Will he deficit spend?

I tend to think the little guy will just out of spite.

"It's like dating a woman who hates you so much she will never break up with you, even if you burn down the house every single autumn." ~ Chuck Klosterman on Browns fans relationship with the Browns

Having a deal in place doesn’t mean he was going to take on Rip and Baron last year, as that would have been a lot of money (and I would have given him credit for spending, Baron pushing him to the cap number is meh).

Until he makes a deal to show he is truly willing to spend to buy picks I don’t buy it. An extra year of Baron Davis isn’t the end of the world on a roster that is going to be filled with mostly rookie and very low salary guys.

Never has anyone reputable said that the Cavs master plan last year was trading for Rip and Baron. Never.

As Swerb says, we have no idea if Gilbert is going to deficit spend or not. Until we see that answer the Rip and Baron rumors are just propaganda to me.

That's true, the Baron and Rip talks may have been going on at the same time in February but were an either/or proposition as far as actually pulling the trigger.

Interesting question about the deficit spending though. I think he would out of spite as well ("not in our garage" as recently as 2 months ago) and he needs to keep whatever momentum they have going. I'm guessing they took an absolute bath on season tickets at the renewal deadline and this could be a way to drum up demand again. Personally, I think their prices are still too ridiculous (They're only about 10% down from the height of the LeBron era without a significant discount for season ticket holders, I'll just be cherrypicking a bunch of single game tickets at a significant discount). And when diehards like me aren't renewing, you have issues. They also suddenly have the Indians (at a much friendlier price point) to fight with for corporate and season ticket dollars. But you never know, this draft will be a great PR boon and showing additional effort helps. I'm at least intrigued again.

Back to trades though, I think Biedrins could be another decent target. Overpaid at $9 mill a year over the next three but he's a real center. Maybe the exception for Biedrins, another bad contract, and a Warriors protected 2012 or 2013 first rounder? Then possibly flip an expiring Jamison for a late first rounder at the deadline next year.

"Well then I guess there's only one thing left to do...win the whole, f***in', thing."- Jake Taylor

I am with most of you. This draft is Irving or bust. However, just to think out loud...

If we pick Irving at #1, it sounds like the #4 pick is more of a mystery as far as finding a "sure thing" NBA player. If that is the case, would you ledge if the Cavs picked Williams with the #1 and then picked Brandon Knight at 4? As a tandem, is that pair a more sure of a bet for the league than Irving and whomever you pair him with? Just thinking out loud. Not sure I could turn down Irving, though.

"The nose of the bulldog has been slanted backwards so that he can breathe without letting go." -- Winston Churchill

OldDawg wrote:I am with most of you. This draft is Irving or bust. However, just to think out loud...

If we pick Irving at #1, it sounds like the #4 pick is more of a mystery as far as finding a "sure thing" NBA player. If that is the case, would you ledge if the Cavs picked Williams with the #1 and then picked Brandon Knight at 4? As a tandem, is that pair a more sure of a bet for the league than Irving and whomever you pair him with? Just thinking out loud. Not sure I could turn down Irving, though.

We own Miami's 2nd round pick this yearWe have the right to swap 2012 firsts with Miami (unlikely)We own Miami's 2013 pick (top-10 protected in 2013 and 2014, unprotected in 2015)We own Miami's 1st round pick 2 years after we obtain the above pick (top 10 protected in 2015 & 2016, unprotected in 2017)We own New Orleans' 2012 2nd round pick

swerb wrote:To this point, Gilbert has been praised for doing the same thing Dick Jacobs was praised for - spending a portion of a large sum of profits on the team.

Will he deficit spend?

I tend to think the little guy will just out of spite.

Well, I cursed Vernon Stouffer for selling to Nick Mileti instead of George Steinbrenner. The Gunds came correct on that, so I am just fine with Geor- I mean, Dan.

EDIT while having had a couple drinks: Bob Dolgan reminded that while the Jacobs' were motivated by the bottom line, George Steinbrenner was motivated by winning. I don't think it's a stretch to say that Dan Gilbert is motivated by winning, as well.