Off the bench, he could be a real threat against the second team. I joked earlier this season that I'd have rather gotten Starbury than Vince Carter, but seeing him go to Boston for the minimum (presumably) can't help us.

Between this and Mikki it's starting to look a lot like desparation from the Celts...

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i see all these Celtics moves as them just being scared shitless of the Cavs in a 7-game series. so i guess these moves can be seen as a good thing. if i'm Mike Brown i'm preaching this in the locker room

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Yeah, the gas tank was on E Cassell by the time Boston got to us, but him 'n Brown were the consummate professionals who brought veteran intangibility as they gravy trained for a ring. Brown especially bit us hard in that last game.

Marbury and Moore? They don't fit the mold nearly as much. Hell, it reeks of Chanel Desperation #5. Reading between those lines and adding in KG's buddy Joe Smith telling the press he's happy playing for The Franchise That Shall Not Be Named, I get the impression that the gravy train isn't stopping at the Garden this year.

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noles1 wrote:Between this and Mikki it's starting to look a lot like desparation from the Celts...

Desperation? It's call attempting to shore up weaknesses. The Celtics have no other true point guard besides Rondo and with Garnett out, they need another "big" to get some minutes although it's been fun for Ralph Malph (Scalabrine) to get into games again. As Peeker said in another thread, if the Cavaliers picked up one of these available guys, he would be heralded as a conquering hero upon his arrival into town.

"It's all about winning for me, and I think the Cavs are committed to doing that," he said. "But at the same time I've given myself options to this point, and like I said before, me and my team, we have a game plan that we're going to execute, and we'll see what we get."

noles1 wrote:Between this and Mikki it's starting to look a lot like desparation from the Celts...

Desperation? It's call attempting to shore up weaknesses. The Celtics have no other true point guard besides Rondo and with Garnett out, they need another "big" to get some minutes although it's been fun for Ralph Malph (Scalabrine) to get into games again. As Peeker said in another thread, if the Cavaliers picked up one of these available guys, he would be heralded as a conquering hero upon his arrival into town.

Frankly that's horse shit no matter who said it.. If the Cavs picked up Mikki Moore i'm fairly confident I would be saying when is that freakin stiff going to play. And Marbury? Hahaha. Yeah right, we'd all be drooling over that loser...

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noles1 wrote:Between this and Mikki it's starting to look a lot like desparation from the Celts...

Desperation? It's call attempting to shore up weaknesses. The Celtics have no other true point guard besides Rondo and with Garnett out, they need another "big" to get some minutes although it's been fun for Ralph Malph (Scalabrine) to get into games again. As Peeker said in another thread, if the Cavaliers picked up one of these available guys, he would be heralded as a conquering hero upon his arrival into town.

You do know they picked up a guy that hasn't played in ages and was up and down when he did. This notion that because Marbury hasn't played he suddenly figured out how to is ridiculous.

Zebra can't change his stripes.

As for Moore, I won't waste a whole helluva a lot of time on him but he was effective for one season and more appropriately about 4 weeks. Parlayed into a big deal just like Jerome James and countless others. Maybe he can channel that stretch of basketball again when they play us but I wouldn't bet on it.

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"It's all about winning for me, and I think the Cavs are committed to doing that," he said. "But at the same time I've given myself options to this point, and like I said before, me and my team, we have a game plan that we're going to execute, and we'll see what we get."

noles1 wrote:Between this and Mikki it's starting to look a lot like desparation from the Celts...

Desperation? It's call attempting to shore up weaknesses. The Celtics have no other true point guard besides Rondo and with Garnett out, they need another "big" to get some minutes although it's been fun for Ralph Malph (Scalabrine) to get into games again. As Peeker said in another thread, if the Cavaliers picked up one of these available guys, he would be heralded as a conquering hero upon his arrival into town.

You and Peeks are spot on.

If Starbury had signed with us there would be a lot of posts saying completely the opposite and how being on a contender in a reduced role could benefit him and yadda yadda yadda. But, since he signed elsewhere, he is a cancer and will doom that team. Hey, it's how we as fans rationalize things to always work in our team's favor.

Anyway, I don't see how this Starbury signing can hurt the Celtics. It is not like they are relying on him to come in and be a starter and huge contributer. He will play in a reduced role, and as a bench player that is a significant upgrade to have coming off your bench.

It boils down to this, which I think ESPN's Chris Broussard said last night: If Marbury can come in and play well and take to the reduced role, it will help repair his reputation and get him a good sized contract this offseason. If he comes in and has a problem adjusting to his role or is a cancer, he is done in the NBA and will have to go to Europe to play. There is a lot riding on his career these next four months that will help him either get another contract or not, and for that I think he won't be a problem with the Celtics. Now, whether he "fits" and performs is another thing. We'll see.

Consigliere wrote:If Marbury can come in and play well and take to the reduced role, it will help repair his reputation and get him a good sized contract this offseason. If he comes in and has a problem adjusting to his role or is a cancer, he is done in the NBA and will have to go to Europe to play. There is a lot riding on his career these next four months that will help him either get another contract or not, and for that I think he won't be a problem with the Celtics. Now, whether he "fits" and performs is another thing. We'll see.

Certainly makes sense to sensible people, but we are talking about a guy with a star tatooed to his head, are we not? Not the first time Marbury has a reason to shut up and perform. Zebra changing its stripes and all that.

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Cesa wrote:I just hope he takes Eddie House's minutes, who is one of the most efficient off the bench scorers in the league.

Eddie House does not handle the ball well. If you put him in their second unit with an efficient point guard, he stands to score even more, which is quite scary since the guy can and does fill it up when in the game.

I still think the Cavaliers can beat Boston come post-season time, just making the assessment that even the defending NBA champions are trying to address some needs to gear up for the ninth month playoffs.

"It's all about winning for me, and I think the Cavs are committed to doing that," he said. "But at the same time I've given myself options to this point, and like I said before, me and my team, we have a game plan that we're going to execute, and we'll see what we get."

*Marbury gives them a legitimate PG to run their second team, moving House to SG. Pretty much what was already said.

*He's another scorer that opposing teams will have to concern themselves with stopping.

*With KG and Pierce running the show, it's hard to believe that Marbury will be the chemistry-destroying force that he has been in previous career stops. He'll learn his place instantly and learn to like it, or he'll be gone.

*This might be a more humble Marbury. He hasn't played in a year, and he's had a lot of time to think about where he is, where he is going and what his legacy will be. Marbury might view the Celtics as his last saving grace, and perhaps more than at any time during his career, be willing to do what is asked of him so he can win a ring.

Cons for the Celtics:

*As was said by Oktane, zebras generally don't change their stripes. Marbury is still a score first point guard. Much like Liam Neeson in "Taken," he has a very specific set of skills. If the C's want him to distribute first and enable House to score, they might be barking up the wrong tree.

*Marbury's prime years seemed to end in 2005. He really hasn't been the same player since. It reamins to be seen whether he can be more effective with fewer minutes. But at the end of the day, he's a player who relied on his explosive first step to do most of his damage, and has lost that step. If he's become solely a medium-range chucker, he's going to need shot volume to score his points. He's not going to get a high volume of shots with the Celtics.

*If he can't play D, he can't play against the likes of Mo Williams, Rafer Alston, Delonte West and Mike Bibby come playoff time. Those guys will eat him up with dribble-drives and step-back jumpers. The deeper Boston goes into the playoffs, the more Marbury's effectiveness might be neutralized.

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noles1 wrote:Between this and Mikki it's starting to look a lot like desparation from the Celts...

Desperation? It's call attempting to shore up weaknesses. The Celtics have no other true point guard besides Rondo and with Garnett out, they need another "big" to get some minutes although it's been fun for Ralph Malph (Scalabrine) to get into games again. As Peeker said in another thread, if the Cavaliers picked up one of these available guys, he would be heralded as a conquering hero upon his arrival into town.

You and Peeks are spot on.

If Starbury had signed with us there would be a lot of posts saying completely the opposite and how being on a contender in a reduced role could benefit him and yadda yadda yadda. But, since he signed elsewhere, he is a cancer and will doom that team. Hey, it's how we as fans rationalize things to always work in our team's favor.

Anyway, I don't see how this Starbury signing can hurt the Celtics. It is not like they are relying on him to come in and be a starter and huge contributer. He will play in a reduced role, and as a bench player that is a significant upgrade to have coming off your bench.

It boils down to this, which I think ESPN's Chris Broussard said last night: If Marbury can come in and play well and take to the reduced role, it will help repair his reputation and get him a good sized contract this offseason. If he comes in and has a problem adjusting to his role or is a cancer, he is done in the NBA and will have to go to Europe to play. There is a lot riding on his career these next four months that will help him either get another contract or not, and for that I think he won't be a problem with the Celtics. Now, whether he "fits" and performs is another thing. We'll see.

This is a board that was finding excuses to talk down actual ballers like Amar'e Stoudamire and Vince Carter before the trade deadline so the perception that it would blindly homerize this goofball is off base a little. Sure some would look for the good in it. As was pointed out, that's what we as fans do. But I guarantee there would be at least one of us vomiting in his mouth at the thought of that piece of dog shit on his favorite team.

As for this little puss wads affect on the outcome of a playoff series...well he's never positiviley impacted a team before...I find it hard to believe he will now at his age after not playing all season...

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jamesownsdet wrote:But I guarantee there would be at least one of us vomiting in his mouth at the thought of that piece of dog shit on his favorite team.

Never know jod. One phenomenal game from Starbury, and someone will suggest he's better than Mo. It's inevitable (the "what they got is better than what we got" attitude, not a phenomenal game from Starbury).

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jamesownsdet wrote:As for this little puss wads affect on the outcome of a playoff series...well he's never positiviley impacted a team before...I find it hard to believe he will now at his age after not playing all season...

I thought the same thing about Sam Cassell and he along with P.J. Brown helped Boston to win one of those games in the Garden and it still makes me sick.

"It's all about winning for me, and I think the Cavs are committed to doing that," he said. "But at the same time I've given myself options to this point, and like I said before, me and my team, we have a game plan that we're going to execute, and we'll see what we get."

Consigliere wrote:If Marbury can come in and play well and take to the reduced role, it will help repair his reputation and get him a good sized contract this offseason. If he comes in and has a problem adjusting to his role or is a cancer, he is done in the NBA and will have to go to Europe to play. There is a lot riding on his career these next four months that will help him either get another contract or not, and for that I think he won't be a problem with the Celtics. Now, whether he "fits" and performs is another thing. We'll see.

Certainly makes sense to sensible people, but we are talking about a guy with a star tatooed to his head, are we not? Not the first time Marbury has a reason to shut up and perform. Zebra changing its stripes and all that.

My point exactly.

I would never want the Cavs to pick this guy up. First, it's not an upgrade over what we have in my opinion. Second, who is sure this guy is good anymore? Third, if he does happen to perform well, it is in his nature to complain if he isn't getting more. Plus if he takes House's minutes or Allen/Pierce's shots how does that make Boston better?

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Cesa wrote:I just hope he takes Eddie House's minutes, who is one of the most efficient off the bench scorers in the league.

Eddie House does not handle the ball well. If you put him in their second unit with an efficient point guard, he stands to score even more, which is quite scary since the guy can and does fill it up when in the game.

I still think the Cavaliers can beat Boston come post-season time, just making the assessment that even the defending NBA champions are trying to address some needs to gear up for the ninth month playoffs.

Not when you put a PG in that is "shoot-first", not to mention the utter defensive liability that both in the backcourt present.

Not debating that Boston has backup PG issues but they got around it last year just fine. Throwing someone like Marbury not only seems like an unreasonable risk but it strikes me as desperate.

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noles1 wrote:Not when you put a PG in that is "shoot-first", not to mention the utter defensive liability that both in the backcourt present.

Not debating that Boston has backup PG issues but they got around it last year just fine. Throwing someone like Marbury not only seems like an unreasonable risk but it strikes me as desperate.

I guess we can agree to disagree. I don't see how it is desperation. Having to use Sam Cassell is desperation. Factor in that they just lost Tony Allen for the remainder of the year and they need somebody to plug into their second unit. Pierce and Allen aren't getting any younger and you can't leave Rondo out there over 40 minutes a night, so they are taking a chance to improve. Marbury is not Steve Nash as a defender either. If he is an idiot, he will be gone quicker than Jawad Williams.

"It's all about winning for me, and I think the Cavs are committed to doing that," he said. "But at the same time I've given myself options to this point, and like I said before, me and my team, we have a game plan that we're going to execute, and we'll see what we get."

noles1 wrote:Between this and Mikki it's starting to look a lot like desparation from the Celts...

Desperation? It's call attempting to shore up weaknesses. The Celtics have no other true point guard besides Rondo and with Garnett out, they need another "big" to get some minutes although it's been fun for Ralph Malph (Scalabrine) to get into games again. As Peeker said in another thread, if the Cavaliers picked up one of these available guys, he would be heralded as a conquering hero upon his arrival into town.

You and Peeks are spot on.

If Starbury had signed with us there would be a lot of posts saying completely the opposite and how being on a contender in a reduced role could benefit him and yadda yadda yadda. But, since he signed elsewhere, he is a cancer and will doom that team. Hey, it's how we as fans rationalize things to always work in our team's favor.

Anyway, I don't see how this Starbury signing can hurt the Celtics. It is not like they are relying on him to come in and be a starter and huge contributer. He will play in a reduced role, and as a bench player that is a significant upgrade to have coming off your bench.

It boils down to this, which I think ESPN's Chris Broussard said last night: If Marbury can come in and play well and take to the reduced role, it will help repair his reputation and get him a good sized contract this offseason. If he comes in and has a problem adjusting to his role or is a cancer, he is done in the NBA and will have to go to Europe to play. There is a lot riding on his career these next four months that will help him either get another contract or not, and for that I think he won't be a problem with the Celtics. Now, whether he "fits" and performs is another thing. We'll see.

Count me as one person who WOULD NOT be saying that if Starbury signed here. Guy is a cancer. Ugh.

fundamentals wrote:I guess we can agree to disagree. I don't see how it is desperation. Having to use Sam Cassell is desperation. Factor in that they just lost Tony Allen for the remainder of the year and they need somebody to plug into their second unit. Pierce and Allen aren't getting any younger and you can't leave Rondo out there over 40 minutes a night, so they are taking a chance to improve. Marbury is not Steve Nash as a defender either. If he is an idiot, he will be gone quicker than Jawad Williams.

Part of that was my point in the original post. Marbury on the second unit can be pretty good. I'm not sure of the rules, but I would have loved for the Cavs to sign him, and then cut him March 2 so he couldn't play for anyone else in the playoffs. If he scores in the double digits for the Celtics in even one game against the Cavs in a close, seven game series, Boston will be geniuses for signing him.

A perfectly healthy Marbury missed 56 games with a halfway decent Knicks team because he didn't get along with D'Antoni. 56 games. He didn't just fail to man up, he only showed up, what, once to watch the Knicks play the Lakers. From the seats. In LA.

Maybe KG and Pierce help him find Jesus (Shuttlesworth), and maybe Eric Snow still has a jump shot. Yeah, the C's are trying to shore up a gaping hole behind Rondo, but if there's addition by subtraction there's also subtraction by addition. Mark me as totally not surprised if Marbury offers up some Grade A Quit if/when the C's backs are against the wall.

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noles1 wrote:Not debating that Boston has backup PG issues but they got around it last year just fine. Throwing someone like Marbury not only seems like an unreasonable risk but it strikes me as desperate.

What's the risk? If Marbury is a problem they'll just cut him lose. They went 66-16 last year without him, they were 46-12 this year without him.

I swear, there is more wishful thinking involved with the Celtics than with any other subject on this board. People seem to think that team is just going to fall apart any minute. Guess what- they aren't. Best believe they will be firmly astride our path in late May, and they will be as tough as ever.

noles1 wrote:Not debating that Boston has backup PG issues but they got around it last year just fine. Throwing someone like Marbury not only seems like an unreasonable risk but it strikes me as desperate.

What's the risk? If Marbury is a problem they'll just cut him lose. They went 66-16 last year without him, they were 46-12 this year without him.

I swear, there is more wishful thinking involved with the Celtics than with any other subject on this board. People seem to think that team is just going to fall apart any minute. Guess what- they aren't. Best believe they will be firmly astride our path in late May, and they will be as tough as ever.

Probably, the Celts have a solid foundation. But there's a basis for the argument with a guy like Starbury. Every team he goes to turns into a mess, and then gets better almost immediately once he's gone. He's a Hall of Famer of pro sports cancers. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if Boston goes either way.

noles1 wrote:Not debating that Boston has backup PG issues but they got around it last year just fine. Throwing someone like Marbury not only seems like an unreasonable risk but it strikes me as desperate.

What's the risk? If Marbury is a problem they'll just cut him lose. They went 66-16 last year without him, they were 46-12 this year without him.

I swear, there is more wishful thinking involved with the Celtics than with any other subject on this board. People seem to think that team is just going to fall apart any minute. Guess what- they aren't. Best believe they will be firmly astride our path in late May, and they will be as tough as ever.

Thank you.

I have been trying to say this for months.

JB ended up calling me lubber.

That said, the Posey loss is huge. I thought Allen would evolve and he may have, but without him they now need Starberry to not be a cock. We will see if it happens.

Marbury's stat line from his first game = 4-6 for 8 points, 2 assists, 3 turnovers and the team was -7 while he was in there. I don't hate the guy, I just think he's a piece of crap who quits on his teammates. The Celtics are still going ot be a great team the rest of the season and the Cavs have a big challenge to overcome them. But Marbury is still a little fag no matter what happens..

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If I die in Iraq, aint nuthin to it, gangsta rap made me do it...

If I take you fo granted, aint nuthin to it, gangsta rap made me do it...

noles1 wrote:Not debating that Boston has backup PG issues but they got around it last year just fine. Throwing someone like Marbury not only seems like an unreasonable risk but it strikes me as desperate.

What's the risk? If Marbury is a problem they'll just cut him lose. They went 66-16 last year without him, they were 46-12 this year without him.

I swear, there is more wishful thinking involved with the Celtics than with any other subject on this board. People seem to think that team is just going to fall apart any minute. Guess what- they aren't. Best believe they will be firmly astride our path in late May, and they will be as tough as ever.

Exactly. The insinuation that the Boston Celtics aren't going to be able to handle the situation should it go ary, is wishful thinking at best, probably ludicrious better describes it, when you consider they already have an idead of how the guy is.

Not to mention, Boston, is probably the team BEST able to handle bringing him aboard. The young players are going to pattern themselves off three vets already there, that they just won a championship with, not some tatoo-headed chucker.

noles1 wrote:Not debating that Boston has backup PG issues but they got around it last year just fine. Throwing someone like Marbury not only seems like an unreasonable risk but it strikes me as desperate.

What's the risk? If Marbury is a problem they'll just cut him lose. They went 66-16 last year without him, they were 46-12 this year without him.

I swear, there is more wishful thinking involved with the Celtics than with any other subject on this board. People seem to think that team is just going to fall apart any minute. Guess what- they aren't. Best believe they will be firmly astride our path in late May, and they will be as tough as ever.

We'll just agree to disagree. My point is that the Marbury thing may not raise its ugly head until Round 2 of the playoffs and by then it will be too late. I don't think they are going to fall apart either, I just think it comes off as desparate and don't see how it helps them find a magical way to stop LeBron.

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noles1 wrote:We'll just agree to disagree. My point is that the Marbury thing may not raise its ugly head until Round 2 of the playoffs and by then it will be too late. I don't think they are going to fall apart either, I just think it comes off as desparate and don't see how it helps them find a magical way to stop LeBron.

All I'm saying is that Starbury won't make them or break them. And that "desperate" is not a word I would use to describe a defending NBA Champion that has gone 113-29 since the beginning of last year. I just don't see the downside here. If Starbury helps Boston, good for them. If he doesn't help them, oh well, they were maybe the best team in the league without him.

noles1 wrote:We'll just agree to disagree. My point is that the Marbury thing may not raise its ugly head until Round 2 of the playoffs and by then it will be too late. I don't think they are going to fall apart either, I just think it comes off as desparate and don't see how it helps them find a magical way to stop LeBron.

All I'm saying is that Starbury won't make them or break them. And that "desperate" is not a word I would use to describe a defending NBA Champion that has gone 113-29 since the beginning of last year. I just don't see the downside here. If Starbury helps Boston, good for them. If he doesn't help them, oh well, they were maybe the best team in the league without him.

With the injury to Rondo and the Celtics needing Starbury to be more than a low risk high reward guy, guess what? He sucks. Maybe they should have thought of that and tried to pick up an actual baller and not some asshat, never-was.

"If I sell a lil' crack, aint nuthin to it, gangsta rap made me do it...

If I die in Iraq, aint nuthin to it, gangsta rap made me do it...

If I take you fo granted, aint nuthin to it, gangsta rap made me do it...

Unfortunately, Boston's injury woes go deeper. With key subs Tony Allen and Leon Powe still sidelined, Boston got another underwhelming performance from midseason pickups Mikki Moore and Stephon Marbury. Moore had two points and four fouls, including a major error when he fouled Rashard Lewis on a 3-pointer and gave the struggling Orlando offense three free points in the fourth quarter -- the Magic had only scored 10 points in the previous 10 minutes.

Meanwhile Marbury should be called Farbury given how vast the distance seems between his play now and the player he was a few years ago. He went 0-for-2 with two turnovers; his totals as a Celtic are 28.8 percent shooting from the floor and more turnovers (21) than field goals (17).

"If I sell a lil' crack, aint nuthin to it, gangsta rap made me do it...

If I die in Iraq, aint nuthin to it, gangsta rap made me do it...

If I take you fo granted, aint nuthin to it, gangsta rap made me do it...

They have been below average at best, horrible at worst. I'm glad Ainge freaked out and signed them before Joe Smith became available. Mikki had 1 decent season with the Nets and is now a foul machine. Marbury has been bad for a few years now.