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The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96023#Comment_960232008-10-28T09:15:22-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00warrenellishttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2
One week to go. And then I'll launch a final thread on election day itself.
You know the rules. Begin.
You know the rules. Begin.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96031#Comment_960312008-10-28T09:43:25-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Nygaardhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=431
So, BoingBoing says someone yelled that the O-word is an N-word at a Palin rally. The public opinion seems to be that she should have immediately drawn her gun, shot and then field-dressed the ...
Is there a history in the US of speakers being blamed for what their spectators yell at them? I myself can't do the mental gymnastics that will make this accusation make sense.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96033#Comment_960332008-10-28T09:48:26-05:002008-10-28T09:49:23-05:00LokiZerohttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=368
My father-in-law told me over the weekend he's going to be a poll monitor in Missouri on election day. He would've in Kansas (He lives in Lenexa, outside of KCK), but that state is going red no ...
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96036#Comment_960362008-10-28T09:59:28-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
I'm kind of dubious about that clip. Not that Palin isn't tapping deep into the race-crazies, but the complete lack of ANY reaction? Those people aren't too sharp, but there would be someone booing ...
But again, Palin and McCain are tossing so much shit in the air at this point god only knows the crazy we will see in the next week.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96037#Comment_960372008-10-28T10:06:03-05:002008-10-28T10:07:02-05:00RenThinghttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=155
@orwell
I don't think it's too beyond the pale that she wouldn't re-act at all to it; whether she didn't hear it because she was concentrating on her speech (and she was looking down a lot at her ...
I don't think it's too beyond the pale that she wouldn't re-act at all to it; whether she didn't hear it because she was concentrating on her speech (and she was looking down a lot at her podium) or because she didn't care (and there have been some constituents of her's that say she's got some definitely race-biased personal views).

And the crowd not booing it? Why would they? You said it yourself the race-crazy is coming out. There's also the by-stander effect to consider; the people around the person (if the video is legit) may not have boo'd because they didn't want to interrupt the rally and have the pressure of the attention of everyone else on them or that they felt that someone else would start complaining first and then didn't complain when no one did.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96039#Comment_960392008-10-28T10:13:07-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Johttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=614
If it's one person, a few people, saying something particularly nasty, I have to agree. There are crazies everywhere, of all stripes, and who's to say a speaker can even hear everything shouted by ...
The problem isn't that Palin didn't call out/go after this particular shouter; it's that the shouter's message is seen as acceptable by a large swath of the population, so the shouter is not called out by his/her peers, and that there are large number of shouters, a pattern of shouters, if you will, and a bunch of them are attending rallies. One shouter is just a cranky, misguided individual, and is no more the responsibility of the campaign than the lady who yells about condoms in the grocery store. Many shouters in one place, shouting similar things, become something the campaign should worry about. The campaign wants to direct the public opinion, wants to streamline and effectively utilize the feelings of the crowds that show up at the rallies. They want to aim that portion of public opinion in the direction that will most efficiently encourage people to vote for them and work against the other guys. The crowd is their support and their ammunition, and the crowd's presence and enthusiasm indicate that its members think the people on stage believe the same things they do, and it's okay to shout about those things. Perfectly normal, all political movements do it, and all political movements recognize the power and momentum that a sense of "belonging to a crowd" can lend.

However: If large numbers of people are shouting about violence and racial discrimination and are not given any reason to believe they are not "on message" and neatly in line with the ideals of the public figures they are shouting in front of, then yes, that's a problem. The crowd wouldn't be a crowd, wouldn't be organizing and self-reinforcing, without the catalyst of the rally/public figure, so the campaign ABSOLUTELY must take some responsibility for the crowd's message. Anything else is at best bad branding for the campaign and at worst incitement to riot/encouragement of hate crime. And if the worst of the shouters really are on message, if the public figures really do agree with the shouting, then they can't claim clean hands and say they don't approve when shouters act on what they say.

It's an issue of scale. No campaign can or should be expected to keep track of every person who vocalizes their support, but if there's a pattern, especially a pattern that edges on hate speech, lack of response is tacit approval.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96046#Comment_960462008-10-28T10:32:08-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00RenThinghttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=155
@Jo
it's that the shouter's message is seen as acceptable by a large swath of the population, so the shouter is not called out by his/her peers, and that there are large number of shouters, a ...
it's that the shouter's message is seen as acceptable by a large swath of the population, so the shouter is not called out by his/her peers, and that there are large number of shouters, a pattern of shouters, if you will, and a bunch of them are attending rallies.

Sure, but then again that's nothing new; I'm sure that racists have attended political rallies in the past. We're also seeing one shout here another shout there; it's not like the crowd is all chanting racial slurs.

No campaign can or should be expected to keep track of every person who vocalizes their support, but if there's a pattern, especially a pattern that edges on hate speech, lack of response is tacit approval.

But when is the response necessary? People criticized McCain for not responding (other than a possible wince) when a man shouted "Terrorist!" during one of his speeches but at another rally/speech he corrected two other individuals who said something similar.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96048#Comment_960482008-10-28T10:36:12-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
@RenThing:
Don't buy into the notion that all the people at those rallies are zealots. There are any number of people there who would be horrified at someone yelling a slur and say something. ...
Don't buy into the notion that all the people at those rallies are zealots. There are any number of people there who would be horrified at someone yelling a slur and say something. Being intangible and assuming anyone who isn't on your ideological team is only capable of the very worst has been the MO of the right for decades.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96050#Comment_960502008-10-28T10:38:55-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00mybrainhurtshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1584
I've seen that video and it looks like Palin does hear it but just decides to ignore it.
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96057#Comment_960572008-10-28T11:13:39-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00RenThinghttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=155
@orwell
Don't buy into the notion that all the people at those rallies are zealots. There are any number of people there who would be horrified at someone yelling a slur and say something. Being ...
Don't buy into the notion that all the people at those rallies are zealots. There are any number of people there who would be horrified at someone yelling a slur and say something. Being intangible and assuming anyone who isn't on your ideological team is only capable of the very worst has been the MO of the right for decades

Believe me, I don't think that everyone who attends those rallies is a zealot but my point was that there is a great amount of pressure to not cause a disturbance when you are in a large crowd, even if you might be reacting to something you personally find incredibly disagreeable, if that disturbance might cause a negative reaction to you. My comment to Jo was that the racist shouts of one or two people at a rally in one area and another shout in a different rally in a different state are not indicative of the theme of the campaign or the understanding of those supporting the campaign.

While I'm generally a pessimistic guy when it comes to considering the worst in other people, I don't think that we've gotten to the point where the majority of McCain/Palin supporters are racist, but the fact that there are racists among their supporters should be a given.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96059#Comment_960592008-10-28T11:24:09-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
I don't think that we've gotten to the point where the majority of McCain/Palin supporters are racist, but the fact that there are racists among their supporters should be a given.
Not to totally ...
I don't think that we've gotten to the point where the majority of McCain/Palin supporters are racist, but the fact that there are racists among their supporters should be a given.

Not to totally derail the thread or cause a firestorm (like anyone cares) but I think the Democratic party has a very deep and very nasty strain of racism running through it from way back. Obama's ascension has countered a fair bit of that, but come see the Daley Democrats in Chicago for some of the ugliest racial bullshit you're likely to find.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96061#Comment_960612008-10-28T11:34:00-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Johttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=614
@Ren Thing:
I completely agree that it's difficult to see a hard-and-fast line where a campaign-level response is "required," and that it's stupid and damaging to assume that the people ...
I completely agree that it's difficult to see a hard-and-fast line where a campaign-level response is "required," and that it's stupid and damaging to assume that the people shouting racial epithets or violent threats represent an entire political party, or even an entire campaign or rally. Please note that my initial response referenced Palin but applied to all similar situations (crowds and shouters, the desire for political support versus the dangers of mob mentality). I am neither a politician nor a psychologist, and I can't speak to the McCain campaign's motives or plans. I can only observe, from the outside, that I've seen a fair amount of damning video of McCain/Palin supporters, and that it's kind of scary. I don't have to know where that specific cutoff point is to look at all the video and say "This seems kind of out of hand. I wouldn't want these people representing me, unchecked, if I were running for President. I wish McCain would say something conclusive about it."

To my mind, the logical response would be to use a few valuable seconds of press or rally time to say something simple, something like what Colin Powell said about how dangerous and divisive it is to encourage racism in a national campaign, something like "I thank you for your support, and value your enthusiasm more than I can say, but I cannot encourage racial and religious discrimination against my fellow American citizens, Barack Obama first among them. If you refer to him as a terrorist or imply that his racial background makes him unfit for office, it undermines this very important political contest--one which I am dedicated to with all my heart and which I believe I can win on issues and convictions." Maybe one more sentence. Imagine how intelligent and sincere and respectful that would be. Try to think of a good reason for McCain, Palin, or another high-ranking member of the Republican campaign not to have done it. The only explanation is that they are unwilling to risk alienating a group of people who are threatening and insulting other citizens, and who are already making the campaign look bad. That's reprehensible.

It would be smart for the campaign and smart for the social health of the nation for a respected figure to address these prejudices directly, because right now, said prejudices nearly cover the face of the party. That's what I mean by responsibility. It would take a pretty clear chain of well-documented incitement and endangerment to make them legally/criminally responsible for the actions of their supporters, and I hope that doesn't happen. Not good for anyone. As it stands, though, the pattern is established enough that by their lack of coherent response, they are by default sanctioning hate speech.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96064#Comment_960642008-10-28T11:43:28-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
From Huffingtonpost
One of John McCain's advisers recently called his running mate Sarah Palin a "diva" after she went off-script at a rally, and suggested she was looking after her own ...
From Huffingtonpost

One of John McCain's advisers recently called his running mate Sarah Palin a "diva" after she went off-script at a rally, and suggested she was looking after her own political future over the current campaign. Now another adviser ups the ante in a conversation with the Politico's Playbook, labeling Palin a "whack job."

The rats have grabbed all the good deck chairs, start using steerage kids as flotation devices!]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96065#Comment_960652008-10-28T11:50:57-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00rickiep00hhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2930
@orwellseyes
I think she knows that she has more electability than McCain, as evidenced by the numbers rise that she gave the ticket. Of course, this electability is if you discount the portion of ...
I think she knows that she has more electability than McCain, as evidenced by the numbers rise that she gave the ticket. Of course, this electability is if you discount the portion of the population that actually takes some time to think about its decisions. She's been called a very shrewd politician by most everyone that's worked near her. I'm sure she just sees this as a step toward the presidency for her more than for McCain.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96066#Comment_960662008-10-28T11:53:25-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00RenThinghttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=155
@Jo
But even then, total up all those video clips that you've seen (or the faces saying the things you disagree with) and, really, is the number so high? Yes, you can disagree with them and not ...
But even then, total up all those video clips that you've seen (or the faces saying the things you disagree with) and, really, is the number so high? Yes, you can disagree with them and not want a person who has supporters such as those in office but, as orwellseyes pointed out, the other side has people just as bad.

Try to think of a good reason for McCain, Palin, or another high-ranking member of the Republican campaign not to have done it. The only explanation is that they are unwilling to risk alienating a group of people who are threatening and insulting other citizens, and who are already making the campaign look bad. That's reprehensible.

I can't agree with you more.

@orwellseyesYeah, I pointed out yesterday that the Republicans are already tearing at each other with Mitt Romney's crew already going after Palin.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96068#Comment_960682008-10-28T11:57:23-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00RenThinghttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=155
@rickiep00h
It'd be interesting to see how many people stuck by McCain/Palin because they believe McCain to be the best choice for President but who can't stand Palin.
Honestly, I don't think ...
It'd be interesting to see how many people stuck by McCain/Palin because they believe McCain to be the best choice for President but who can't stand Palin.

Honestly, I don't think she has as much electability as McCain; she's proven more ignorant of the issues and I think anyone who can see beyond her gender or appearance and actually think critically about the things she says won't vote for her past the Primaries.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96071#Comment_960712008-10-28T12:03:47-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00ScottShttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=370
Steal a McCain sign? Get shot.
Reading the story this is what I question: the guy had time to go and "get his rifle" .. but it didn't occur to him to maybe.. oh.. I don't know... call ...
Get shot.

Reading the story this is what I question: the guy had time to go and "get his rifle" .. but it didn't occur to him to maybe.. oh.. I don't know... call the cops? And his warning shots HIT THE VAN? where was he aiming these warning shots?

I won't argue a guy has a right to protect his property, but come on... using a rifle because someone is stealing your yard sign?]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96073#Comment_960732008-10-28T12:09:11-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00thom_wonghttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=432
Currently Obama is splased across the DNC homepage. McCain is completely absent.
Also - McCain advisor calls Palin a "whack ...
Also - McCain advisor calls Palin a "whack job."http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&nolr=1&q=whack+job&btnG=Search]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96074#Comment_960742008-10-28T12:10:06-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00rickiep00hhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2930
@ren
Sorry, I mean "I think she thinks" not "I think she knows". My mistake. I don't think she stands a chance of making it through a full primary cycle, but I'm sure she'd ...
Sorry, I mean "I think she thinks" not "I think she knows". My mistake. I don't think she stands a chance of making it through a full primary cycle, but I'm sure she'd love to get tacked on to a ticket every year for the next 12 years, either for president or vice president. She's savvy enough to know that she's got marketability to certain segments of the population. That's my point. I'm sure the gears are grinding in her head, trying to figure out a way to spin what will almost assuredly be a landslide loss into something bigger for herself.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96076#Comment_960762008-10-28T12:19:37-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
@Thom:
That's nothing new, McCain has been absent since long before Palin joined the trainwreck.
So Fox News is just out and out calling Obama a Marxist now. Seven days to go, I'd bet one ...
That's nothing new, McCain has been absent since long before Palin joined the trainwreck.

So Fox News is just out and out calling Obama a Marxist now. Seven days to go, I'd bet one whole American dollar that someone on Fox slips and calls him a a racial slur by the election. The crazy genes are now fully expressed in the right-wing beast.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96111#Comment_961112008-10-28T14:07:33-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00ScottShttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=370
and Palin now says that Stevens should resign.
Stevens should resign.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96157#Comment_961572008-10-28T18:02:51-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00mlpetershttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2922
Well, today my Obama sign was missing from the yard -- probably taken some time in the night.
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96158#Comment_961582008-10-28T18:25:54-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00MegaGooseyhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2537
Just be glad no one threw a deer head in your yard.
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96159#Comment_961592008-10-28T18:35:08-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00ScottShttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=370
@megagoosey
that could only happen someplace with a lot of crazy people...
... like Colorado Springs.
that could only happen someplace with a lot of crazy people...

... like Colorado Springs.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96160#Comment_961602008-10-28T18:47:50-05:002008-10-28T18:48:47-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
Dear God, a new attack ad on Al Franken featuring
-Jon Ratzenberger
-Victoria Jackson
and PAT BOONE
What. The. Fuck.
By the way, Robert Davi is the guy from "Showgirls" who ...
-Jon Ratzenberger-Victoria Jackson and PAT BOONE

What. The. Fuck.

By the way, Robert Davi is the guy from "Showgirls" who said "It must be strange not having people cum on you"

Well, the GOP was fun while it lasted.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96164#Comment_961642008-10-28T18:59:27-05:002008-10-28T19:09:54-05:00doclivingstonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2318
Here's a big huge demonstration of how different the two campaigns truly are.On those rare occasions McCain actually speaks out against the anti-Obama slurs, his own crowd tends to boo him. On the ...
On those rare occasions McCain actually speaks out against the anti-Obama slurs, his own crowd tends to boo him. On the other hand, when Obama's speaking to a crowd that begins to collectively boo at the mention of McCain (and it should also be noted, Obama's rallies really don't seem to ever include anyone spouting off with some rude slur against McCain or Palin, or if they do, it's evidently not making the rounds on YouTube), Obama calms down the crowd, and turns their negative boos into a positive roar of enthusiasm when Obama says we don't need to boo, we just need to vote.I think McCain's campaign has learned that they really do need the xenophobic vote and shouldn't piss them off, which is why you don't see either McCain or Palin trying too quickly to fight back the negative slurs and chants and all. Obama, on the other hand, remains pristine and damned gentlemanly.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96166#Comment_961662008-10-28T19:09:49-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00LokiZerohttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=368
@orwellseyes: Nothing says Hollywood like a bunch of washed-up, out of work actors. Christ.
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96167#Comment_961672008-10-28T19:14:38-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00ScottShttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=370
@Loki
hey! John Ratzenberger has been in all the Pixar movies. Back off man. Just back off.
hey! John Ratzenberger has been in all the Pixar movies. Back off man. Just back off.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96168#Comment_961682008-10-28T19:17:49-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
@Lokizero:
I wonder if the folks at Pixar are finally gonna stop giving John Ratzenberger work now. The long knives come out for Cliff Claven at last.
I wonder if the folks at Pixar are finally gonna stop giving John Ratzenberger work now. The long knives come out for Cliff Claven at last.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96170#Comment_961702008-10-28T19:31:53-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00doclivingstonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2318
My father-in-law told me over the weekend he's going to be a poll monitor in Missouri on election day. He would've in Kansas (He lives in Lenexa, outside of KCK), but that state is going red no ...
My father-in-law told me over the weekend he's going to be a poll monitor in Missouri on election day. He would've in Kansas (He lives in Lenexa, outside of KCK), but that state is going red no matter what.I deny the truth of that statement, and remain optimistic that Kansas might maybe hopefully possibly surprise some people. Slattery for Senate! (I'm Lenexa too.)]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96173#Comment_961732008-10-28T19:55:16-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00LokiZerohttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=368
I was just there over the weekend, we're moving to Overland Park at the end of the year. That's two more libs for the next election cycle. :)
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96176#Comment_961762008-10-28T20:27:04-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00outlawpoethttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3601
That's where I knew the name Ratzenberger from! I had no idea who the heck that guy was, but yeah, he's been in everything, they call him the lucky charm at Pixar.
I was more intrigued by ...
I was more intrigued by Victoria Jackson, I remember her in the very excellent UHF.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96188#Comment_961882008-10-28T21:24:31-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00James Pucketthttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2911
I kind of liked the anti-Franken ad. It was a great reminder that Franken’s just a crazy has-been who makes a living by feuding with Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh. I’d rather have a Republican in ...
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96191#Comment_961912008-10-28T21:36:46-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
I love how the American right bitches about Hollywood celebrities supporting the Democrats then basically cream themselves when some has-been endorses a Republican.
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96197#Comment_961972008-10-28T22:11:34-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Jon Wakehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1684
I've finally found the one cartoon the encapsulates my political and religious views.

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The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96198#Comment_961982008-10-28T22:17:42-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00RenThinghttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=155
Personally, I'm fond of
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and

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The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96201#Comment_962012008-10-28T23:01:12-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
@James:
Minnesota elected a wrestler governor.
Al Franken is a, admittedly small, step up.
I'm just stunned Americans haven't elected more celebrities. After Arnold took California I was ...
Minnesota elected a wrestler governor.

Al Franken is a, admittedly small, step up.

I'm just stunned Americans haven't elected more celebrities. After Arnold took California I was expecting to see Senator Pitt.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96213#Comment_962132008-10-29T00:20:56-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00LokiZerohttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=368
I'm always waiting for an excuse to post my own:
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The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96215#Comment_962152008-10-29T00:44:05-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00chris ghttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1829
That'd be excellent if Obama wins, everybody around him does the Arsenio Hall "WOOF, WOOF, WOOF!!"
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96216#Comment_962162008-10-29T00:46:39-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Oddculthttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=214
At this point, are any of you guys going to call it for McCain? Warren?
I don't think he will take it, but I just have a horrible feeling.
I don't think he will take it, but I just have a horrible feeling.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96228#Comment_962282008-10-29T03:32:40-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00rough nighthttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2694
I have that horrible feeling, too, Oddcult. No matter what the polls show, or how many people and organizations endorse him, no matter how much classier, more handsome, more eloquent and charismatic ...
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96245#Comment_962452008-10-29T06:52:35-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
"I'd never vote for a black man."
"I'd never vote for a black man."]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96246#Comment_962462008-10-29T07:00:47-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
So what are the key east cost states to watch on the night?
Presumably if McCain takes Pennsylvania that's bad news for the reality-based community.
On the other hand if Obama takes both ...
Presumably if McCain takes Pennsylvania that's bad news for the reality-based community.

On the other hand if Obama takes both Virginia and North Carolina and holds Pennsylvania we can probably call it right there.

If he takes Georgia I'm breaking out the good stuff.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96249#Comment_962492008-10-29T07:05:52-05:002008-10-29T07:37:24-05:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
@Rough Night, yeah I hear that McCain's gaining in this or that poll or I remember the bullshit in Florida 2000 or Ohio 2004 and a little voice tells me the fix is in.
Then I look at ...
Then I look at this.

Obama's current projected electoral college vote is about 120 ahead of where Kerry was at this point on '04.

I think the Roves and Cheneys are at the point where the risks involved in stealing this one outwiegh the risks of letting Obama win.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96257#Comment_962572008-10-29T07:31:54-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Brendan McGinleyhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=93
I don't mean to come late to the party, but:
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The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96259#Comment_962592008-10-29T07:40:46-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Spiraltwisthttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=426
@Kosmopolit
Thanks for that link - the comments are priceless.
Thanks for that link - the comments are priceless.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96260#Comment_962602008-10-29T07:43:53-05:002008-10-29T07:45:44-05:00Spiraltwisthttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=426
Obama and Palin Rallies of Fear
Obama and Palin Rallies of Fear]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96265#Comment_962652008-10-29T08:02:15-05:002008-10-29T08:04:01-05:00pi8youhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=628
Thanks for that Spiral, I've been far to negligent with TDS/Colbert of late.
and how have we missed this site throughout?
and how have we missed this site throughout?]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96267#Comment_962672008-10-29T08:12:31-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00ScottShttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=370
Over on FOXnews.com they have a big story about how McCain's Pollsters see the race as being "too close to call"
Hmm.. McCain pollsters. Surely they are fair & balanced, just like ...
McCain's Pollsters see the race as being "too close to call"

Hmm.. McCain pollsters. Surely they are fair & balanced, just like Fox news. Sure seems odd that almost all the independent polls show Obama with a pretty good lead.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96270#Comment_962702008-10-29T08:22:24-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00pi8youhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=628
Abortion clinic bombers aren't terrorists according to Palin.
Abortion clinic bombers aren't terrorists according to Palin.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96272#Comment_962722008-10-29T08:23:37-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Jamie Covillehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=616
It's the voting machines that got me worried.
It's the voting machines that got me worried.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96273#Comment_962732008-10-29T08:31:37-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00vrbtmhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2192
109-year old black woman whose father was a slave has voted for Barack Obama.
Fuck yeah, America. Fuck yeah.
109-year old black woman whose father was a slave has voted for Barack Obama.

Fuck yeah, America. Fuck yeah.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96275#Comment_962752008-10-29T08:35:13-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00roquehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=482
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The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96282#Comment_962822008-10-29T08:53:01-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Sara 013http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=400
orwellseyes
"Minnesota elected a wrestler governor."
Sure. But we did that cuz it was funny....
"Al Franken is a, admittedly small, step up."
Meh. I'm not entirely ...
orwellseyes "Minnesota elected a wrestler governor."

Sure. But we did that cuz it was funny....

"Al Franken is a, admittedly small, step up."

Meh. I'm not entirely convinced of that.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96284#Comment_962842008-10-29T09:00:33-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00JEFFSJhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=26
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The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96286#Comment_962862008-10-29T09:08:01-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00rickiep00hhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2930
@Sara 013, orwellseyes
I was 17 when those of voting age in Minnesota elected Ventura in. I thought it was hilarious. I thought the "Our Governor Can Beat Up Your Governor" t-shirts were ...
I was 17 when those of voting age in Minnesota elected Ventura in. I thought it was hilarious. I thought the "Our Governor Can Beat Up Your Governor" t-shirts were clever.

Now, 10 years later, I don't really see anything funny or amusing about it, and there was really nothing special about his term. Seems to me like he ran business as usual as far as the government is concerned. Sure, there was that tax refund thing, but ultimately it didn't do much. I consider it a blip in my former home state's history. I think it's no more bizarre than Arnie in California or Reagan being president or Sonny Bono in the Senate. I must be confused when I think that if someone can make it to the office they aspire to they must have some sort of qualification or they wouldn't have been elected.

Or everyone voting for them thought it was a joke.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96289#Comment_962892008-10-29T09:19:05-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00RenThinghttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=155
@rickiep00h
I live in California. I feel your pain.
I live in California. I feel your pain.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96290#Comment_962902008-10-29T09:25:12-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
@Rickiepooh:
I lived in Winona during the first year of Ventura's term. People seemed to find it funny, but were increasingly uneasy as time wore on. Like buyer's remorse.
Garrison Keelor did ...
I lived in Winona during the first year of Ventura's term. People seemed to find it funny, but were increasingly uneasy as time wore on. Like buyer's remorse.

Garrison Keelor did a pretty vicious, and accurate, send-up of Ventura , who vowed to "get even".

Electing carnival acts doesn't make for good government.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96291#Comment_962912008-10-29T09:30:30-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
Dear Media,
No one gives a FUCK what Elizabeth Hasselback thinks about ANYTHING. Especially the election. She makes Jack Thompson look reasoned and well-informed. Please stop running quotes from a ...
No one gives a FUCK what Elizabeth Hasselback thinks about ANYTHING. Especially the election. She makes Jack Thompson look reasoned and well-informed. Please stop running quotes from a reality show tv cast-off who married some sports star and sits on a bench yelling at old women all day.

Yours truly,Everyone with an IQ over room temperature.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96293#Comment_962932008-10-29T09:38:52-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00rickiep00hhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2930
@orwellseyes
But that's my point; I don't think he did a terrible job or that he fucked the state forever. I think he did a decidedly average job. Like most "carnival acts", I think he ...
But that's my point; I don't think he did a terrible job or that he fucked the state forever. I think he did a decidedly average job. Like most "carnival acts", I think he got into politics from a "creative" career and ended up being a politician like all the rest. Jesse wasn't a maverick any more than John McCain is. He wasn't a political outsider any more than Sarah Palin is. He was just a guy that wanted to be governor that happened to have what most people consider to be the STUPIDEST CAREER EVER before running.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96298#Comment_962982008-10-29T09:52:01-05:002008-10-29T09:52:34-05:00doclivingstonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2318
@orwellseyes: In all honesty, you should have written that about the entirety of all things The View-related.
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96299#Comment_962992008-10-29T09:54:30-05:002008-10-29T10:09:46-05:00mybrainhurtshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1584
@Kosmopolit
I always like to look at how the bookies are calling it for a sense of what states need to be won. Currently the best odds you'll get on Obama are 9-1 on with some pricing him at 25-1 ...
I always like to look at how the bookies are calling it for a sense of what states need to be won. Currently the best odds you'll get on Obama are 9-1 on with some pricing him at 25-1 on. McCain on the other hand is somewhere between 5-1 and 8-1 which are pretty long odds for a two horse race. Ladbrokes' Firewall Finder bet is an interesting one in terms of figuring out what states to watch.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96300#Comment_963002008-10-29T09:55:52-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
"Now, 10 years later, I don't really see anything funny or amusing about it, and there was really nothing special about his term. Seems to me like he ran business as usual as far as the ...
Pretty much the only thing I'll give Ventura credit for is that he proved it wasn't political suicide in the US to be an avowed atheist /agnostic.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96303#Comment_963032008-10-29T10:07:20-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00doclivingstonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2318
Haven't seen this yet...
How the Pennsylvania GOP is trying to shift the state for McCain: by telling Jews Obama will bring a second Holocaust.
Ain't that some motherfuckin' moxie? Good LORD.
How the Pennsylvania GOP is trying to shift the state for McCain: by telling Jews Obama will bring a second Holocaust.

Ain't that some motherfuckin' moxie? Good LORD.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96305#Comment_963052008-10-29T10:08:57-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00rickiep00hhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2930
@Kosmo
Oh yeah, I forgot about that one! Thinking about that, though, makes me wonder how many state (and even federal) legislators and leaders are not of the religious persuasion. A fair amount, ...
Oh yeah, I forgot about that one! Thinking about that, though, makes me wonder how many state (and even federal) legislators and leaders are not of the religious persuasion. A fair amount, I'd bet. Religion is one of those issues that really isn't an issue until someone makes it one. It's like the whole "Holy hell, Obama is a Muslim (but isn't really)!" thing. I could care less what the guy believes as long as he can lead and isn't a fanatic, you know? The only time people use religion in a political campaign is to get the xenophobia running rampant.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96308#Comment_963082008-10-29T10:11:41-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00LokiZerohttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=368
I voted Kinky for Governor of Texas, so what do I know?
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96324#Comment_963242008-10-29T10:53:45-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00vrbtmhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2192
At some point in the last 9 months, fivethirtyeight.com became the best political journalists out there. I think there's only two of them: making roadtrips across the country, describing what they ...
Today, they found a demonstration turned ugly in Florida:

After the rally, we witnessed a near-street riot involving the exiting McCain crowd and two Cuban-American Obama supporters. Tony Garcia, 63, and Raul Sorando, 31, were suddenly surrounded by an angry mob. There is a moment in a crowd when something goes from mere yelling to a feeling of danger, and that's what we witnessed. As photographers and police raced to the scene, the crowd elevated from stable to fast-moving scrum, and the two men were surrounded on all sides as we raced to the circle.

They end up catching up with the two guys, and tell their story. It's a snapshot of political reality on a ground level. They don't generalize or reach for platitudes.

There's also a handful of wonderful pieces where they visit campaign offices in Virginia and Ohio and elsewhere, capturing the moods of each team's effort. There's a ...strong contrast.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96334#Comment_963342008-10-29T11:15:42-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
Floridians are stocking up on guns for fear Obama will come take them away in the night with his sekkrit Moslim freinds Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright.
I have been to Florida. The one upside ...

I have been to Florida. The one upside of global warming will be watching that place drown.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96336#Comment_963362008-10-29T11:20:29-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Dewey Decibelhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2406
Regarding that slate piece, is there anyone who's been keeping a Godwin count for GOP ads in this race?
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96340#Comment_963402008-10-29T11:30:02-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Sara 013http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=400
rickiep00h
"Now, 10 years later, I don't really see anything funny or amusing about it, and there was really nothing special about his term. Seems to me like he ran business as usual as far as ...
rickiep00h"Now, 10 years later, I don't really see anything funny or amusing about it, and there was really nothing special about his term. Seems to me like he ran business as usual as far as the government is concerned."

Nothing special, indeed. Kind of showed, though, that even an assclown with a high school diploma (still can't figure out of he graduated from NHCC with a degree) can do the same "standard" "business as usual" job as a "real" politician....]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96341#Comment_963412008-10-29T11:36:03-05:002008-10-29T11:39:30-05:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
Scraped this off a random blog, with all the "McCainaics = nazis" posts going on I suppose I should disclose that I pretty much feel the same way:
"I honestly don't care if that ...
"I honestly don't care if that woman dies in horrible ways. Nor do I care what happens to her family"

(Well okay maybe I would feel bad if something bad happened to her kids.)]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96347#Comment_963472008-10-29T12:02:23-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00pi8youhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=628
(Well okay maybe I would feel bad if something bad happened to her kids.)
Something bad's already happened, she's their mother!
:rimshot:
(Well okay maybe I would feel bad if something bad happened to her kids.)Something bad's already happened, she's their mother!

:rimshot:]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96353#Comment_963532008-10-29T12:13:02-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00ScottShttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=370
Ok, this is really funny.
Obama quoted at a rally today:
"Now, because he knows that his economic theories don't work, he's been spending these last few days calling me every name in the ...
Obama quoted at a rally today:

"Now, because he knows that his economic theories don't work, he's been spending these last few days calling me every name in the book. Lately he's called me a socialist for wanting to roll-back the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans so we can finally give tax relief to the middle class. I don't know what's next. By the end of the week he'll be accusing me of being a secret communist because I shared my toys in kindergarten. I shared my peanut butter and jelly sandwich."

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The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96357#Comment_963572008-10-29T12:26:01-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Wintherhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2913
Yes! This is exactly the offensive (as in, the opposite of defensive) yet non-offensive (as in not being a fucking prick about it) stance I've wanted to see from the Obama campaign.
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96358#Comment_963582008-10-29T12:26:22-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00RenThinghttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=155
@ScottS
Can I get a link to that? I'd love to repost it.
Can I get a link to that? I'd love to repost it.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96359#Comment_963592008-10-29T12:28:36-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00ScottShttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=370
@RenThing
Here's the link. I think there is a video clip of that part too.
Here's the link. I think there is a video clip of that part too.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96369#Comment_963692008-10-29T13:08:16-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Wintherhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2913
Here.
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The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96377#Comment_963772008-10-29T13:38:03-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
"We must in all seriousness ask if Barack Hussein Obama could be a Muslim terrorist sympathizer or a Marxist mole. His closest friends include Communists, domestic and Muslim terrorists, racists ...
"We must in all seriousness ask if Barack Hussein Obama could be a Muslim terrorist sympathizer or a Marxist mole. His closest friends include Communists, domestic and Muslim terrorists, racists and convicted felons. In his book Audacity of Hope, Barack Hussein Obama says, 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'" -Victoria Jackson, former-comedian, current idiot.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96383#Comment_963832008-10-29T14:28:05-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00doclivingstonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2318
I swoon when I hear Obama laugh.
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96384#Comment_963842008-10-29T14:32:24-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Sara 013http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=400
Wow.
Just visited her website.
Kinda... crazy... minus the "kinda".
Just visited her website.Kinda... crazy... minus the "kinda".]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96385#Comment_963852008-10-29T14:40:39-05:002008-10-29T14:42:14-05:00doclivingstonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2318
re: Victoria Jackson, I always hated her the most on SNL, and she was on during long stretches where nearly everyone on the cast was immensely hate-worthy.
Her path compared to Julia Sweeney's ...
Her path compared to Julia Sweeney's (another largely unfunny former cast member of SNL) is an interesting study. Julia used to be a devout Catholic, but after doing some soul-searching and really studying the Bible with a skeptical mind, found religion to be too much bullshit to subscribe to. Meanwhile, Victoria has continued down a delusional evangelical path that leads to ever-more-insane religiously-motivated thoughts. Like:

Thank you God above for giving us George W. Bush, and for giving us John McCain and Sarah Palin.

That website is so awesome.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96396#Comment_963962008-10-29T15:24:24-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Val A Lindsay IIhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1680
From the IMDb website in regards to Jackson...
. In l99l she re-united with her high school sweetheart, married him, and moved to Florida where he's a police helicopter pilot. As a mother of two, ...
. In l99l she re-united with her high school sweetheart, married him, and moved to Florida where he's a police helicopter pilot. As a mother of two, homemaking is her priority now, but she's always available to perform ...if the price is right!

I wonder what made her feel that her past fame makes her compelling enough to campaign for McCain? Is it Dennis Miller's 'success' at punditry?]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96397#Comment_963972008-10-29T15:27:08-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
if the price is right!
That's actually the only show she can get on these days. And even then, Drew Carey just stares at he boobs.
if the price is right!

That's actually the only show she can get on these days. And even then, Drew Carey just stares at he boobs.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96425#Comment_964252008-10-29T17:11:32-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00doclivingstonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2318
Anyone else tuning into Obama's half hour infomercial?
I'm kinda not digging it... seems a lil over the top, and I'm thinking as many people will be turned off by it as will be brought in.
I'm kinda not digging it... seems a lil over the top, and I'm thinking as many people will be turned off by it as will be brought in.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96427#Comment_964272008-10-29T17:17:25-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00SilentObjectorhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2587
I'm watching it. Glad I wasn't the only one who deemed it an infomercial. It does seem a wee bit ham handed, but I'm waiting to see what the "Live Obama Event" is towards the end.
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96428#Comment_964282008-10-29T17:18:42-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00ZJVavrekhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4243
Wait, that's happening now? Anybody have a stream of it online?
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96430#Comment_964302008-10-29T17:19:27-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00ScottShttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=370
@doclivingston
I'm not going to watch it, and I agree with that it is a bit on the overkill side of things.
That being said, I don't think it will hurt him. The people that are going to vote ...
I'm not going to watch it, and I agree with that it is a bit on the overkill side of things.

That being said, I don't think it will hurt him. The people that are going to vote for him anyway will watch it, the people who won't vote for him will just whine about it. Not a big deal either way and it won't affect anything in the long run.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96432#Comment_964322008-10-29T17:20:33-05:002008-10-29T17:23:21-05:00Sara 013http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=400
So far: Infomercial about various families around the US, highlighting financial problems surrounding retirement, foreclosures, crap big companies, healthcare, and education. The background music is ...
I wonder who his target audience is.

EDIT: PS> How does a tax credit (cut?) provide tuition to students?]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96434#Comment_964342008-10-29T17:25:12-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00doclivingstonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2318
Yeah, the dramatic music's making me cringe. And agreed ScottS, this is probably going to be a non-factor. Except maybe as something the right will hold up as evidence of... something. Wasteful ...
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96438#Comment_964382008-10-29T17:34:47-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Rachæl Tyrellhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=552
I think it may be rather effective. The underlying vibe of the thing seems to be... well, trying to repeatedly get across that Obama is AMERICAN, is HALF WHITE, is NOT "PRO BLACK", is PRO ...
It IS an infomercial, but... it has nothing negative whatsoever, and for that, I applaud him.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96439#Comment_964392008-10-29T17:35:10-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00doclivingstonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2318
He's always good speaking live and working a crowd, so the half hour certainly finished strong, but this is nothing new or revelatory. Meh. It's like they had a shit ton of extra money laying ...
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96441#Comment_964412008-10-29T17:38:21-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00SilentObjectorhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2587
That is, in fact, exactly what they did.
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96443#Comment_964432008-10-29T17:47:21-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Sara 013http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=400
RachaelNoel
"It IS an infomercial, but... it has nothing negative whatsoever, and for that, I applaud him."
That's a good point.
After seeing nothing but attack and counter-attack ...
RachaelNoel"It IS an infomercial, but... it has nothing negative whatsoever, and for that, I applaud him."

That's a good point. After seeing nothing but attack and counter-attack campaign ads on TV, it was kinda nice to see nothing negative, as you said.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96445#Comment_964452008-10-29T17:51:00-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00mlpetershttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2922
I thought it was effective - - remember the target audience isn't us... it's more geared toward the undecided voter, the misinformed, or low-information voters who hear the attack adds from McCain ...
I thought it had a strong "New Deal" vibe -- I liked that.

I'm waiting to hear McCain mocking Obama's eloquence and idealism. That's all the old man has left, his cynicism and bile.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96449#Comment_964492008-10-29T17:57:15-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Sara 013http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=400
"it's more geared toward the undecided voter, the misinformed, or low-information voters who hear the attack adds from McCain and trustingly think there MUST be SOMETHING behind the ...
"it's more geared toward the undecided voter, the misinformed, or low-information voters who hear the attack adds from McCain and trustingly think there MUST be SOMETHING behind the allegations... it's for those people (living in caves or somethin') who STILL say, "We don' know nothin' 'bout Obama, or where he stands, what he's a gonna do -- dunno if we can trust 'im"."

Yeah... I imagine that's the case... but I guess what I'm wondering is, would those people actually watch this when there are tons of other things on TV...?]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96451#Comment_964512008-10-29T18:02:36-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00mlpetershttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2922
@Sara
A lot of poorer and lower middle class people don't have cable.
It's also only a half hour, so if they were too impatient to watch the convention, this might be more palatable.
A lot of poorer and lower middle class people don't have cable.

It's also only a half hour, so if they were too impatient to watch the convention, this might be more palatable.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96453#Comment_964532008-10-29T18:06:15-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
The Obama campaign has so much money they have to do something with it.
something with it.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96458#Comment_964582008-10-29T18:12:47-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00doclivingstonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2318
Price tag was $4 million, by the by. Not that that bugs me. I just anticipate that being a focal point for weakass critiques from the right.
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96460#Comment_964602008-10-29T18:23:50-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
RCP has Obama up by 5.9% onaverage.
Over the past week, McCain's apparently gained around 1-2% - well within the margin of error.
But between that and the Bailey Effect, some Republicans are ...
Over the past week, McCain's apparently gained around 1-2% - well within the margin of error.

But between that and the Bailey Effect, some Republicans are convincing themselves it'll be a close race.

Now even if they're correct at the level of the national popular vote (and I don't think they are), Obama still has a massive overwhelming lead in the electoral college.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96461#Comment_964612008-10-29T18:23:58-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Sara 013http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=400
mlpeters
A lot of poorer and lower middle class people don't have cable.
Yeah, I realize that. (I didn't have cable until I moved out on my own.)
But it was on only 3 of the 8-10(?) broadcast ...
mlpetersA lot of poorer and lower middle class people don't have cable.

Yeah, I realize that. (I didn't have cable until I moved out on my own.)But it was on only 3 of the 8-10(?) broadcast stations here......was just an idle thought, really. Not really important.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96467#Comment_964672008-10-29T18:33:54-05:002008-10-29T18:35:59-05:00Val A Lindsay IIhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1680
Fun with McCain's site....
and everyone's favorite...
Perhaps you can have some fun with it. Make your sign here...
and everyone's favorite...

Perhaps you can have some fun with it. Make your sign here...]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96468#Comment_964682008-10-29T18:34:34-05:002008-10-29T18:35:48-05:00mlpetershttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2922
Remember -- this was the LAST BIG PUSH -- the last chance for Obama to introduce himself to those undecided low-info voters and he did it in a way that was un-condescending -- and while the message ...
I hope so.

This ad falls in line with Obama's strategy of pushing his message to the very end, taking nothing for granted and not giving up on any voter who could be on the fence. No coasting, no long in-held breath waiting for election results on Tuesday, but campaigning until the very last minute.

On Monday, I'll be going around putting some kind of door-hanger reminded to vote on Obama supporters doors, in the nearby small town of Reed City, Michigan. We're doing it in shifts and mine is on Monday, but some will be doing get-out-the-vote work even on election day.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96469#Comment_964692008-10-29T18:46:02-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00mlpetershttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2922
@Sara
Well, out here, in the woods of Michigan, I only get 4 stations, including PBS (which didn't air it because they don't sell commercial time) -- cable isn't even available here.
Obviously ...
Well, out here, in the woods of Michigan, I only get 4 stations, including PBS (which didn't air it because they don't sell commercial time) -- cable isn't even available here.

Obviously other, more populated, areas will have more stations, but some of those will likely be repeats (additional CBS, NBC and FOX stations), so there should have been more than three channels airing it in most places.

Anyway -- I hope it works. I think it was worth a try.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96470#Comment_964702008-10-29T18:54:42-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00doclivingstonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2318
This is incredibly tempting... anyone up for an Electoral College Pool? Slate's scoring system seems good enough, it'd keep a blowout interesting.
Electoral College Pool? Slate's scoring system seems good enough, it'd keep a blowout interesting.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96473#Comment_964732008-10-29T19:09:49-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
The other problem for McCain with the "tightening" story is that 10 million Americans have already voted.
Democratic early voters outnumber Republicans in key states, according to ...
10 million Americans have already voted.

Democratic early voters outnumber Republicans in key states, according to incomplete election statistics, suggesting a surprising break from traditional trends, said analyst.

Just a week before a historic Election Day, registered Democrats in North Carolina are out-voting Republicans by a nearly 2-to-1 margin, according to official election statistics.

The state is seen as a crucial battleground for Sens. John McCain and Barack Obama.

The turnout by Democrats also appears to be higher in at least two other battleground states, Colorado and Nevada, whose electoral votes could make the difference for either White House hopeful.

As of Tuesday, at least 9,813,052 ballots had been cast in 31 states that allow early, in-person or absentee voting without having to provide an excuse. The figures are based on reports from state election officials.

A record-breaking 33 percent of all U.S. voters are expected to cast ballots early this year, said James Hicks of the Oregon-based Early Voting Center, a nonpartisan voter tracking group affiliated with the Pew Charitable Trust.

Hicks, who's been working long hours through a "blur of numbers and charts" as November 4 approaches, said this year's turnout is "astronomical" and a high Democratic turnout would be "very unusual."

"It's just not historically what we've seen -- to have very high levels of Democratic turnout," said Hicks, a self-described election geek. "Traditionally we see white, older, wealthier people turning out for the early vote, and this time we're seeing Democrats, we're seeing minorities -- clearly there are some changes in the demography of early voting."

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The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96478#Comment_964782008-10-29T19:34:16-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00blake petersonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=808
Posted on Youtube, here it is:
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The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96481#Comment_964812008-10-29T20:08:16-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00blake petersonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=808
It's an infomercial, but it's very well produced. Some of the music is heartstring-pulling, and some of it could be right out of The West Wing, which I think is kind of the point; this video is there ...
I've been very interested to see what the Obama camp would produce, from an academic standpoint as well as a voter (I work as a video editor). It reminds me of some of the better DVD featurettes - The Obama Campaign DVD featurette. The shots of Obama with his family remind me of Spike Jonze's tragically-unused Al Gore documentary.

My favorite shot in the video happens around 25'23" to 25'27," a shot of Obama from behind as he steps forward, at first blown out by stage lights; the shot slowed down; a visual metaphor that epitomizes the Obama campaign narrative that identifies Obama as a light in the current darkness. As a visual metaphor, it's quite good.

As for reality, well, it's 30 minute advertisement, isn't it?]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96482#Comment_964822008-10-29T20:19:04-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00StefanJhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=961
An infomercial, but a lot of people watch those things, and they must be effective for a certain audience because they keep making them.
A lot of folks who are undecided or leaning McCain might ...
watch those things, and they must be effective for a certain audience because they keep making them.

A lot of folks who are undecided or leaning McCain might watch this out of curiosity, or to see if he whips out a turban and cackle triumphantly about the Jihad. I think they'll come away less skittery.

You know, it's going to be really nice to have a president that isn't a fucking idiot.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96497#Comment_964972008-10-29T21:41:03-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00mlpetershttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2922
@StefanJ
"You know, it's going to be really nice to have a president that isn't a fucking idiot. "
Keep your fingers crossed... and don't forget to vote. I can think of little worse ...
"You know, it's going to be really nice to have a president that isn't a fucking idiot. "

Keep your fingers crossed... and don't forget to vote. I can think of little worse than for McCain to get in (bad enough), then the old guy have a heart attack or something and leave us with Palin, who makes Bush look like a MENSA member, in comparison.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96498#Comment_964982008-10-29T21:44:44-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00mlpetershttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2922
@blake peterson
I've never seen the Spike Jonze Gore documentary -- why wasn't it used?
Yeah I caught the moment you mentioned -- really good visual symbolism. And yeah - -the music was a ...
I've never seen the Spike Jonze Gore documentary -- why wasn't it used?

Yeah I caught the moment you mentioned -- really good visual symbolism. And yeah - -the music was a little West Wing-y and I doubt that was a coincidence.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96503#Comment_965032008-10-29T22:10:35-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00elricjhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4583
For a few weeks I've been just hoping nothing crazy happens. I've been trying to avoid some of the politico hoo-ha, because I felt myself starting to be angry instead of anything else.
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96506#Comment_965062008-10-29T22:24:56-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
@mlpeters:
Apparently, it was deemed too "intimate" by the chuckleheads running Gore's campaign. No doubt the same people who thought he should be less funny, renounce all the ...
Apparently, it was deemed too "intimate" by the chuckleheads running Gore's campaign. No doubt the same people who thought he should be less funny, renounce all the Clinton-era accomplishments and cite more statistics in his speeches.

Part 1:Part 2:]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96512#Comment_965122008-10-29T22:59:07-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Matt_rhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4207
is anyone else like me and just wants to VOTE already? I swear the biggest reaction I have is I no longer care who does what or says what. I have formed my opinion already and am ready to get this ...
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96515#Comment_965152008-10-29T23:01:50-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00doclivingstonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2318
No early voting where you're at Matt? If there is, seriously takes like twenty minutes max.
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96518#Comment_965182008-10-29T23:13:36-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00mlpetershttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2922
@orwellseyes
I'm glad you posted links to the Gore video so some people here can watch -- I'm stuck with dial-up, out here in the land that broadband forgot:)
I think I remember hearing ...
I'm glad you posted links to the Gore video so some people here can watch -- I'm stuck with dial-up, out here in the land that broadband forgot:)

I think I remember hearing something about the Gore video back around that election -- maybe just after. Gore needed something intimate to show to the people, to counter his "stiff" image and everyone wanting to have a beer (non-alcoholic, or otherwise) with Bush. If the video had brought Gore just a few more votes in key states...

Gore's biggest problem was all the sometimes contradictory advice given to him by his advisers (probably including Tipper, who I suspect really disliked Bill Clinton) -- and like a smart but awkward and unpopular nerdy kid in high school, he listened too damned much to such advice. I'm glad Obama is more self-assured and self-possessed.

I voted for Gore, of course, as did most Americans. We should never forget the stolen election of 2000.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96520#Comment_965202008-10-29T23:19:02-05:002008-10-29T23:21:14-05:00mlpetershttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2922
There's no early voting here, either, except absentee -- and you need proof you're going to be away, or are ill, or over 65...
I still care, though -- too damned much. I want this election over ...
I still care, though -- too damned much. I want this election over with, so hopefully I can breathe a sigh of relief that President-Elect Obama will soon be steering America back into saner waters... or that I should start planning for an escape to Canada...

Right now, this election has me on edge at all times and has since somewhere in the primaries. In some ways I've been on edge for most of the past (nearly) eight years and I don't think I'm alone in that.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96522#Comment_965222008-10-29T23:30:16-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00LudwigTheurerhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4312
Florydeans buying guns in case Obama wins and makes it harder to buy guns:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V71Do4Fj8XU
It's not too unreasonable, but still odd.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V71Do4Fj8XU

It's not too unreasonable, but still odd.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96535#Comment_965352008-10-30T01:31:58-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00David Matthewhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2886
Well, I voted. Mail-in ballots are so damn easy.
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96543#Comment_965432008-10-30T02:30:43-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00E0157H7http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4212
Somehow, actually going out and voting seems more satisfying. I don't know why for sure, but I think that it's just because it feels more decisive. If what the last eight years needs, it's a succinct ...
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96560#Comment_965602008-10-30T05:27:48-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00buddharhubarbbutterhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=974
@ScottS Steal a McCain sign? Get shot.
Not Guilty my ass.
Not Guilty my ass.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96569#Comment_965692008-10-30T06:09:24-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Maliarenkohttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4746
@mipeters,
I had a bit of a chuckle when I read that you were thinking of escaping to Canada. I was thinking of moving overseas somewhere, so I can get the hell away from the States if ...
I had a bit of a chuckle when I read that you were thinking of escaping to Canada. I was thinking of moving overseas somewhere, so I can get the hell away from the States if McCain/Palin wins this upcoming election.

I live in Edmonton, Alberta, and to be honest, your election is way more important to me and mine than our own national election that happened a little while ago.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96580#Comment_965802008-10-30T07:31:00-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Richard Pacehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=320
@Maliarenko
I'm pretty sure part of the reason Harper called an early election was to have the US election as a distraction to our own as well as avoid any sort of Liberal groundswell domestically ...
I'm pretty sure part of the reason Harper called an early election was to have the US election as a distraction to our own as well as avoid any sort of Liberal groundswell domestically after a Democratic win South of the border. The result is he gets another year (at the minimum) to govern while the Liberal party elects a new leader and gets its shit together before risking tumbling the government.

~R]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96584#Comment_965842008-10-30T07:45:26-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00picohttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1686
Anyone making odds on the margin off victory?
The Obama Half-Hour was exactly what it seems he wanted it to be - one final chance for undecided voters to get a good look at the Obama he wants them ...
The Obama Half-Hour was exactly what it seems he wanted it to be - one final chance for undecided voters to get a good look at the Obama he wants them to see. Nothing wrong with that. And to be fair, he has to burn through those million$ somehow. Otherwise, it's just people's donations lying about.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96586#Comment_965862008-10-30T07:49:21-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
I feel the same way, lets just DO THIS THING. Election blue balls.
I voted last week (Chicago, vote early, and often!) at the board of elections. I moved recently and getting my license updated ...
I voted last week (Chicago, vote early, and often!) at the board of elections. I moved recently and getting my license updated and address and blah was more of a pain than just going downtown once. Nice thing was, there was a SERIOUS line of people, mostly Black and...happy. I've been voting in every election, state, local and federal since I was 18, more than a decade, and this was the first time I saw HAPPY people at the polls. Usually it was me and the elderly. I got used to a man with an oxygen tank handing me my ballot and waiting while the person in front of me shat themselves because he couldn't vote for Coolidge. Young, racially diverse and HAPPY people voting for McCain.

Hee hee hee...]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96600#Comment_966002008-10-30T09:04:55-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Brendan McGinleyhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=93
We now pause for amusing hearsay.
We now pause for amusing hearsay. ]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96613#Comment_966132008-10-30T09:53:10-05:002008-10-30T09:53:37-05:00pi8youhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=628
@ Sara 013 - The fact that it was at Defiance, OH makes it even better, despite the reporting that it was due to miscommunication.
Defiance, OH makes it even better, despite the reporting that it was due to miscommunication.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96616#Comment_966162008-10-30T09:56:50-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Sara 013http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=400
"due to miscommunication"
I find that bit even funnier. XD
"due to miscommunication"

I find that bit even funnier. XD]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96631#Comment_966312008-10-30T10:49:00-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00RenThinghttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=155
@all
What are your election day plans? My wife and I (getting hitched tomorrow!) are spending a few hours at my friend's "election results party" and then heading back home for more ...
What are your election day plans? My wife and I (getting hitched tomorrow!) are spending a few hours at my friend's "election results party" and then heading back home for more drinking and yelling at the election coverage.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96633#Comment_966332008-10-30T10:51:17-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00vrbtmhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2192
Congrats, RenThing.
I'm gonna vote before work, act smug all day, go home and play video games until 7.
I'll watch the Daily Show, MSNBC, and I'll flip to Fox and CNN every ...
RenThing.

I'm gonna vote before work, act smug all day, go home and play video games until 7.

I'll watch the Daily Show, MSNBC, and I'll flip to Fox and CNN every once-in-a-while.

I'll check Talking Points, here, 538, HuffPo, Salon.com's War Room, Michell Malkin, and what the hell a couple of corn dogs.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96634#Comment_966342008-10-30T10:57:49-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00tedcrolandhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2106
He looks genuinely hurt.
Have you no empathy, Joe?!
He looks genuinely hurt.

Have you no empathy, Joe?!]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96637#Comment_966372008-10-30T11:20:08-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
Republicans have long had issues with plumbers.
here's a great interview with Robert Draper, a reporter for GQ who got deep in the McCain Campaign. My favorite bit
WWD: You mentioned that the ...
issues with plumbers.

here's a great interview with Robert Draper, a reporter for GQ who got deep in the McCain Campaign. My favorite bit

WWD: You mentioned that the McCain campaign thinks that blogging is inimical to journalism. Do you think it’s true what they said in your story, that reporters are “primarily young, snarky, blog-obsessed and liberal?”R.D.: Oh, yes, I think it’s true, but I don’t think it’s a fatal impediment.

I'd beg to differ on that assessment.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96639#Comment_966392008-10-30T11:31:27-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
@Richard Pace
Just think - if Obama wins and Harper's second term is as bad as his first pretty soon you'll have liberal Canadians threatening to move to the US.
Just think - if Obama wins and Harper's second term is as bad as his first pretty soon you'll have liberal Canadians threatening to move to the US.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96641#Comment_966412008-10-30T11:34:35-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00doclivingstonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2318
Nice thing was, there was a SERIOUS line of people, mostly Black and...happy. I've been voting in every election, state, local and federal since I was 18, more than a decade, and this was the first ...
Nice thing was, there was a SERIOUS line of people, mostly Black and...happy. I've been voting in every election, state, local and federal since I was 18, more than a decade, and this was the first time I saw HAPPY people at the polls. Usually it was me and the elderlyHad a similar experience, except this is Johnson County, Kansas, so just a smidge less racially diverse (Uncyclopedia entry: "Johnson County is a very diverse community where you can find both Anglos and Saxons."). But everyone was entirely pleasant, lots of smiles on people's faces, and the geriatric brigade running everything was super nice and super efficient. It was happiness all around.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96645#Comment_966452008-10-30T11:46:50-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00ScottShttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=370
Oh that wacky John McCain. Apparently he doesn't think Obama is a socialist after all.
Wait.. wasn't that about the only message he had left?
he doesn't think Obama is a socialist after all.

Wait.. wasn't that about the only message he had left?]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96646#Comment_966462008-10-30T11:49:41-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00doclivingstonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2318
Uh oh! John McCain is going rogue! He better get back in line and get back on message, or John McCain is going to get pissed.
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96649#Comment_966492008-10-30T12:03:43-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
Wait.. wasn't that about the only message he had left?
I'd like to think he realizes that he's going to eat it and is trying to save some dignity.
But at this point I'd also just chalk it up ...
Wait.. wasn't that about the only message he had left?

I'd like to think he realizes that he's going to eat it and is trying to save some dignity.

But at this point I'd also just chalk it up to more bugfuck crazy.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96650#Comment_966502008-10-30T12:07:09-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00ScottShttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=370
let the cannibalism continue: FOX's Neil Cavuto verbally spanks John McCain
FOX's Neil Cavuto verbally spanks John McCain]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96654#Comment_966542008-10-30T12:11:18-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00ScottShttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=370
@orwellseyes
I'd like to think he realizes that he's going to eat it and is trying to save some dignity.
you crack me up :)

I'd like to think he realizes that he's going to eat it and is trying to save some dignity.

you crack me up :)]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96656#Comment_966562008-10-30T12:13:53-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00vrbtmhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2192
The Economist endorses Barry Obama
The Economist endorses Barry Obama]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96657#Comment_966572008-10-30T12:16:51-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00vrbtmhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2192
And the fucking terrorists tacitly endorse him, too.
I fucking hate those guys.
And the fucking terrorists tacitly endorse him, too.

I fucking hate those guys.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96660#Comment_966602008-10-30T12:28:11-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00ScottShttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=370
I thought Al Qaeda already endorsed McCain?
Man, are even the terrorists jumping ship on him now?
Man, are even the terrorists jumping ship on him now?]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96661#Comment_966612008-10-30T12:28:23-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00doclivingstonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2318
They were far more specific endorsing McCain last week.
They were far more specific endorsing McCain last week.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96664#Comment_966642008-10-30T12:37:05-05:002008-10-30T12:38:18-05:00doclivingstonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2318
Viewership stuff on the Obama informercial. Just counting CBS, NBC, Fox and Univision, it was watched by 30.1 million viewers. That doesn't include MSNBC, Univision, BET and TV One.
I find this ...
Viewership stuff on the Obama informercial. Just counting CBS, NBC, Fox and Univision, it was watched by 30.1 million viewers. That doesn't include MSNBC, Univision, BET and TV One.

I find this funny:

As for ABC's underdog "Pushing Daisies," airing on the only major broadcaster not to carry the ad, the counterprogramming still came in fourth place in the adults 18-49 demo. Still, "Daisies" (6.8 million, 2.2) was up by 16% from last week to a season high. The CW's "America's Next Top Model" (3.9 million, 2.0), also running in the time period, didn't receive a bump and was on par with last week.

So basically one show got a bump from people desperate to watch anything else, and another show proved its audience as completely uninterested in icky things like politics that might require an involved thought process. At least that's my interpretation.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96665#Comment_966652008-10-30T12:37:22-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
Really, between Joe the Plumber, Elizabeth Hasselback and now some ass-hat terrorist is there anyone left who hasn't had 15 minutes of talk time in this election?
Who does David Faustino, TV's Bud ...
Who does David Faustino, TV's Bud Bundy, endorse? America NEEDS to KNOW!

]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96683#Comment_966832008-10-30T13:13:30-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
More Republican FAIL
Taking the stage as one of the pre-program speakers at a Sarah Palin rally here in Rush Limbaugh’s hometown, Sen. Kit Bond, R-Missouri, fired up the crowd by warning them ...

Taking the stage as one of the pre-program speakers at a Sarah Palin rally here in Rush Limbaugh’s hometown, Sen. Kit Bond, R-Missouri, fired up the crowd by warning them about Barack Obama’s judicial philosophy.

“Just this past week, we saw what Barack Obama said about judges,” Bond said. “He said, ‘I’m tired of these judges who want to follow what the Founding Fathers said and the Constitution. I want judges who have a heart, have an empathy for the teenage mom, the minority, the gay, the disabled. We want them to show empathy. We want them to show compassion.’”

Yes, Barack Obama will empower "The Gay".]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96684#Comment_966842008-10-30T13:24:46-05:002008-10-30T13:26:32-05:00MegaGooseyhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2537
Yes god forbid we start treating the gays decently. If we do, everyone will start buttfucking your kids in public and when Jesus comes back he's going to give America the finger and say ...
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96685#Comment_966852008-10-30T13:24:55-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00ScottShttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=370
@Orwellseyes
is "The Gay" related to "that One" ?
is "The Gay" related to "that One" ?]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96692#Comment_966922008-10-30T13:50:05-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
"That One" likes "The Gay" which makes him "The Man."
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96696#Comment_966962008-10-30T13:55:55-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00ScottShttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=370
If "that One" likes "The Gay" doesn't that make them unable to get married because it will piss God off?
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96700#Comment_967002008-10-30T14:13:10-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Steven Huttonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1458
So The Gay, The One and The Man walk into a bar and the barman says....
Seriously though, surely this latest round of endorsements including the economist of all things pretty much indicates that ...
Seriously though, surely this latest round of endorsements including the economist of all things pretty much indicates that this is a done deal? Does anyone seriously think McCain has a chance?]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96705#Comment_967052008-10-30T14:39:37-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Osmosishttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=866
Really glad to see the Economist come down on the right side of this one. Earlier this year they were on the fence, and tilting toward McCain's side of the wire.
the Economist come down on the right side of this one. Earlier this year they were on the fence, and tilting toward McCain's side of the wire.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96719#Comment_967192008-10-30T15:38:03-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Sara 013http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=400
Does anyone seriously think McCain has a chance?
I remain paranoid until it's actually over.
Does anyone seriously think McCain has a chance?

I remain paranoid until it's actually over.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96721#Comment_967212008-10-30T15:44:10-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00mlpetershttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2922
@Sara
"I remain paranoid until it's actually over. "
After 8 years of paranoia, what's a few more days, right?
"I remain paranoid until it's actually over. "After 8 years of paranoia, what's a few more days, right?]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96724#Comment_967242008-10-30T16:06:49-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00thinwhitedukehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4585
Is anyone here convinced this Election will not be stolen? If so, please let me know why, I'd like to not be so worried. I see a 95% chance Obama gets more votes, but the closer it gets the more ...
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96725#Comment_967252008-10-30T16:08:07-05:002008-10-30T16:08:35-05:00William Joseph Dunnhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2798
"After 8 years of paranoia, what's a few more days, right? "
I don't think it can be considered "paranoia" when more times than not, the "conspiracies" proven to be ...
"After 8 years of paranoia, what's a few more days, right? "

I don't think it can be considered "paranoia" when more times than not, the "conspiracies" proven to be true.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96726#Comment_967262008-10-30T16:13:33-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00MegaGooseyhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2537
Conspiracies are more often true than not? I don't know if I agree with that. Like at all.
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96727#Comment_967272008-10-30T16:13:51-05:002008-10-30T16:14:30-05:00Thom B.http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2248
Is anyone here convinced this Election will not be stolen?
McCain's insistence that Pennsylvania is going to go his way has me a little nervous. Does any one know whether they use a computer based ...
Is anyone here convinced this Election will not be stolen?McCain's insistence that Pennsylvania is going to go his way has me a little nervous. Does any one know whether they use a computer based system there?]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96729#Comment_967292008-10-30T16:23:28-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00mlpetershttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2922
@William Joseph Dunn
I stand corrected -- but all the true conspiracies do tend to make one wary, perhaps "paranoid", though justifiably so. "Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't ...
I stand corrected -- but all the true conspiracies do tend to make one wary, perhaps "paranoid", though justifiably so. "Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get me."]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96733#Comment_967332008-10-30T16:49:08-05:002008-10-31T00:28:19-05:00rough nighthttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2694
I voted. It took 2 hours of waiting in line, but the job is done. Lot of young people, lot of iphones, and a good number of parents with their kids in that line, and a very mixed bunch race-wise. I'm ...
edit: Also, we got no damn stickers. Broke ass Memphis.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96738#Comment_967382008-10-30T17:01:58-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00pi8youhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=628
To hearken back for a moment to the start of September, the local indy media has put together a documentary thing about the RNC clusterfuck called Terrorizing Dissent:
Glass Bead Collective, Twin ...

Glass Bead Collective, Twin Cities Indymedia, and other independent media activists have released a new film, 'Terrorizing Dissent', an exposé of events at the 2008 Republican National Convention in St. Paul, Minnesota.

Featuring first-person accounts and footage from more than forty cameras on the streets, 'Terrorizing Dissent' focuses on the story of dissent suppressed. People charged with "conspiracy to riot in furtherance of terrorism" speak out against the government's campaign to manipulate media coverage and label civil disobedience and community organizing as terrorism.

I've not had a chance to watch it yet, but fuck that's one hell of a trailer. Let's get/keep these people out of office please.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96742#Comment_967422008-10-30T17:21:46-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00William Joseph Dunnhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2798
"Conspiracies are more often true than not? I don't know if I agree with that. Like at all."
I meant specifically with this administration for the last 8 years. stuff that sounded crazy ...
"Conspiracies are more often true than not? I don't know if I agree with that. Like at all."

I meant specifically with this administration for the last 8 years. stuff that sounded crazy (I'm pretty sure I don't need to list them here) turned out to be proven later.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96743#Comment_967432008-10-30T17:23:22-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Jon Wakehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1684
It's easy to steal a tight election, damn near impossible to steal a landslide. Vote, unclench, have a beer. Issa gonna be all right.
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96752#Comment_967522008-10-30T17:44:12-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00ScottShttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=370
I voted today.
Standing in line for 3 minutes? no problem
Filling out a paper ballot? about seven minutes.
Voting against a campaign based on fear and innuendo? Priceless.
Standing in line for 3 minutes? no problemFilling out a paper ballot? about seven minutes.Voting against a campaign based on fear and innuendo? Priceless.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96753#Comment_967532008-10-30T17:52:00-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
Oh dear, looks like McCain's national spokesperson left his brain on the night stand.
The smug little fucker is implying Louis Farrakhan of course, who Obama has deep connections to. By that I ...

The smug little fucker is implying Louis Farrakhan of course, who Obama has deep connections to. By that I mean they both are black, live in Chicago and are White Sox fans.

So now Obama is an anti-Semitic, marxist, socialist, secret Muslim, terrorist-sympathizer who hates babies and loves "the gay". If you're keeping track.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96763#Comment_967632008-10-30T18:46:12-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00KeeperofManyNameshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3394
We all know about this Farrakhan character? Really?
No, seriously?
Damn, I don't even know what I know anymore. Clearly I've been completely brainwashed by the liberal media.
No, seriously?

Damn, I don't even know what I know anymore. Clearly I've been completely brainwashed by the liberal media.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96764#Comment_967642008-10-30T18:57:09-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
Nick Silver of fivethreeeight.com tells Dan Rather that if McCain wins Pennsylvania "We'll be up pretty late" but that Obama still has a good chance of winning.
So, yeah, on election ...
fivethreeeight.com tells Dan Rather that if McCain wins Pennsylvania "We'll be up pretty late" but that Obama still has a good chance of winning.

So, yeah, on election night watch New Hampshire and Pennsylvania.

If there is a broad late shift back to McCain NH is probably the first state where it'll be reported. If the Democrat vote there holds up to 2004 levels and Obama wins in Pa. we can pretty much call it.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96766#Comment_967662008-10-30T19:19:31-05:002008-10-30T19:19:49-05:00doclivingstonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2318
It's easy to steal a tight election, damn near impossible to steal a landslide. Vote, unclench, have a beer. Issa gonna be all right.Exactly what I was gonna say.
Pretty much, the last two ...
It's easy to steal a tight election, damn near impossible to steal a landslide. Vote, unclench, have a beer. Issa gonna be all right.Exactly what I was gonna say.

Pretty much, the last two elections were good to steal because the closeness and margin of error helped to cover the theft (it's easy to shift one or two percentage points, incredibly obvious to shift seven or eight). Trying to steal this one will immediately result in intense investigation and would likely solidify the utter dismantling of the Republican party as we know it, if they have the gall to try it.

This thing's going to be a blow-out. I'm not worried. Daily we're getting more and more evidence of the wheels coming off the McCain campaign. I can't muster the slightest bit of worry about it.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96769#Comment_967692008-10-30T19:33:30-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00William Joseph Dunnhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2798
holy shit is Goldfarb a fucking retard.
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96770#Comment_967702008-10-30T19:45:28-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00vrbtmhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2192
An article in Politico dismisses a bunch of rumors, among them the one about McCain as a reckless daredevil pilot.
Good. I know someone here brought it up, but it's unfounded and not worthy of ...
An article in Politico dismisses a bunch of rumors, among them the one about McCain as a reckless daredevil pilot.

Good. I know someone here brought it up, but it's unfounded and not worthy of (our) political discussion.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96775#Comment_967752008-10-30T20:14:56-05:002008-10-30T20:18:33-05:00doclivingstonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2318
Good. I know someone here brought it up, but it's unfounded and not worthy of (our) political discussion. Did you actually read that link? It doesn't dismiss the reckless pilot thing at all. In his ...
Good. I know someone here brought it up, but it's unfounded and not worthy of (our) political discussion. Did you actually read that link? It doesn't dismiss the reckless pilot thing at all. In his history, McCain lost at least one aircraft through his own fault, another due to unknown failure, and the circumstances of his getting shot down may or may not have been his own fault. He caused another accident that didn't result in loss of aircraft, but

McCain admitted to causing that incident through "daredevil clowning" but returned safely.

The dude flew through power lines in Spain. The article you're linking only dismisses one specific rumor, which I'd never even heard till now. So yeah. The "reckless daredevil pilot" tag remains.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96778#Comment_967782008-10-30T20:35:15-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00LudwigTheurerhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4312
Remember kids, US election system is made to avoid that young, not-so-wise voters and non-true Americans that don't love the country have a say. Keep fearing.
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96779#Comment_967792008-10-30T20:35:56-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00mlpetershttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2922
@doclivingston
"This thing's going to be a blow-out. I'm not worried. "
It's talking like that that has earned us the reputation for "snatching defeat from the jaws of ...
"This thing's going to be a blow-out. I'm not worried. "

It's talking like that that has earned us the reputation for "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory" -- don't get cocky or tempt a jinx, now...

Remember -- there are a lot of idiots and bigots out there and they're easy to dismiss... because they're idiots and bigots - -but their vote counts as much as anyone's.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96780#Comment_967802008-10-30T20:56:56-05:002008-10-30T21:13:43-05:00doclivingstonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2318
It's talking like that that has earned us the reputation for "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory" -- don't get cocky or tempt a jinx, now...Sorry, I'm just basing that on actual ...
It's talking like that that has earned us the reputation for "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory" -- don't get cocky or tempt a jinx, now...Sorry, I'm just basing that on actual factual shit like, say, the votes already cast, the consistent polling, the consistent stupidity of the McCain campaign, and the fact Democrats are vastly more enthusiastic about voting than Republicans, meaning turnout's going to continue to show a gigantic disparity between the two voter groups. (I've been beating that particular drum since the start of the primaries, and yet people still aren't weighing that in properly.)

It's done. This isn't cockiness, jinxing is silly, I already voted, and among the 12 million or so others that also already voted (scratch that, 15 million), Obama's enjoying an estimated 19-point lead over McCain. And it's already been demonstrated that this election will have record-breaking turnouts of both young voters and minority voters (because it already HAS). Both groups are solidly Obama.

Sorry. Still not worried.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96787#Comment_967872008-10-30T21:32:20-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00mlpetershttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2922
@doclivingston
That's okay -- I'm worried enough for the both of us - - optimistic, but worried -- Warren hasn't changed his call on the election, has he?
The early voting, though record ...
That's okay -- I'm worried enough for the both of us - - optimistic, but worried -- Warren hasn't changed his call on the election, has he?

The early voting, though record breaking, will be only a small percentage compared to election day voting.

I just don't want anyone getting complacent and figure they have something better to do, the lines are long and Obama's gonna win anyway, so... Maybe we'll see a REAL blowout election if everyone who said they'll vote actually votes, but that's far from the historical precedence.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96789#Comment_967892008-10-30T21:38:33-05:002008-10-30T21:40:41-05:00doclivingstonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2318
The early voting, though record breaking, will be only a small percentage compared to election day voting. They're estimating it'll likely be a good 30% of the total vote. And the historical ...
The early voting, though record breaking, will be only a small percentage compared to election day voting. They're estimating it'll likely be a good 30% of the total vote. And the historical precedence thing is sorta my point: every step of the way history has been made. Demographic-wise, numbers-wise, turnout-wise, candidate-wise. I have zero fear of the typical American apathy letting this one slip to McCain, because that typical American apathy has already been seen smashed to shit.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96811#Comment_968112008-10-31T00:37:50-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00thrynhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4791
I carved jack-o-lanterns tonight.
(Amendment 2 is Florida queer-haters' attempt to keep The Gay from being The Married. Also, to potentially fuck up any domestic partnership agreements in the ...
(Amendment 2 is Florida queer-haters' attempt to keep The Gay from being The Married. Also, to potentially fuck up any domestic partnership agreements in the process. Go, bigots!)

Anyone who wants to snag the Obama symbol jack-o-lantern for icon purposes, go for it. Anyone who wants to carve eir own, know it was easy and took way less time than the "vote no on 2" one. But having a decent exacto knife craft kit made doing the outer ring much easier than it would otherwise have been.

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The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96817#Comment_968172008-10-31T01:38:10-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00ogahttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3803
Can anyone name the other two candidates for POTUS?
Why the FUCK not?
My vote is for Cynthia McKinney. I'm disappointed that Ralph Nader isn't making enough noise. I'm fucking sick of the ...
Why the FUCK not?

My vote is for Cynthia McKinney. I'm disappointed that Ralph Nader isn't making enough noise. I'm fucking sick of the Good Cop/Bad Cop drama that this Pretenders election is all about. They're both M'F'in COPS and we all know what American cops are like?! God, it just makes me sick that it's all about the corporate-sponsored Dems versus Reps. Y'all are fooling yourself if you think Obama is going to seriously change things.

Having said that, my money's on Obama to win by a landslide if the Republicans don't steal it. Hire some Goddamn hackers! They've gotta be better than their lot, bro!]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96818#Comment_968182008-10-31T02:02:32-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
McCain Surrenders Wife, Campaign, to Friendly Mythical Giant/Plumber
McCain's campaign now consists of a number of "Blank the Blanks". Blue-collar, working stiffs just like you and ...

McCain's campaign now consists of a number of "Blank the Blanks". Blue-collar, working stiffs just like you and me who make close to a quarter million dollars a year and own one or more companies. Men just like you, who think that Obama's election will mean the death of Israel.

Tito the Builder is my personal favorite. Both links in this post are from Fox, who love these symbolic blocks of wood and their simple message for middle class and blue-collar folks to vote against their own best interests.

He was on a local radio show here in Chicago, Roe Conn which is somewhat right leaning, and when the host trie4d to make a harmless joke Tito started lashing out saying how "You think this is funny? We are trying to elect the president!"

Then my radio caught on fire from the Irony of that statement.

God and the electoral college willing the McCain/Palin Carnival and Sideshow only has five days left before it trundles off the steal the souls of little boys in another town]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96831#Comment_968312008-10-31T03:28:25-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00kmcleodhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=191
from Nygaard's comments:
"So, BoingBoing says someone yelled that the O-word is an N-word at a Palin rally."
Perhaps that someone was actually yelling "Nygaard!"

"So, BoingBoing says someone yelled that the O-word is an N-word at a Palin rally."

Perhaps that someone was actually yelling "Nygaard!"]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96841#Comment_968412008-10-31T05:32:14-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
Doc Livingstone: a 70:30 split of 15 million votes translates into roughly 10.5 million to 4.5 million or a lead of six million.
Bush only won by 3 million last year.
It'll be damn hard for ...
Bush only won by 3 million last year.

It'll be damn hard for the Pubs to overcome that.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96854#Comment_968542008-10-31T06:32:02-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Sara 013http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=400
I admire your optimism and wish I could share it, but I'm currently incapable of being optimistic.
...computer voting that switches the votes and doesn't leave a paper trail.
...pull the lever for ...
I admire your optimism and wish I could share it, but I'm currently incapable of being optimistic....computer voting that switches the votes and doesn't leave a paper trail....pull the lever for the straight party vote, but oops, we forgot to tell you the Presidential vote was separate....the Barkley Effect, really, who could have known that it exponentially increases as the position of authority increases?...and if none of those are enough, there are plenty of whack-job, neo-nazis around willing to give their life for the cause.

The Obama campaign has decided to heave out three newspapers from its plane for the final days of its blitz across battleground states -- and all three endorsed Sen. John McCain for president!

The NY POST, WASHINGTON TIMES and DALLAS MORNING NEWS have all been told to move out by Sunday to make room for network bigwigs -- and possibly for the inclusion of reporters from two black magazines, ESSENCE and JET, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

The last sentence there is a little too ugly, but I don't know what to make of the rest of it.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96857#Comment_968572008-10-31T06:42:35-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Brendan McGinleyhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=93
NY POST unabashedly tilts for Charles Foster Ka--er, Rupert Murdoch's beloved GOP. It's not like the O camp's merely throwing out a paper that leans right; they're refusing privileged access to one ...
Ditto the Times, dictated by the Lord High Second Coming of Crazy, Rev. Moon.

DMN I can't speak to. Anyone?]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96863#Comment_968632008-10-31T06:52:01-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00James Pucketthttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2911
The Obama campaign had someone from Moonie Times on its plane? That can’t be right. The only people who read Moonie Times (all 50,000 of them or whatever its abysmal circulation is these days) are ...
Moonie Times on its plane? That can’t be right. The only people who read Moonie Times (all 50,000 of them or whatever its abysmal circulation is these days) are psyschotic and not worth courting as voters.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96873#Comment_968732008-10-31T07:13:47-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
In other words, the Obama camp booted a paper from a state that'll vote for them anyway; one from a state that won't vote fro them anyway and a paper that nobody reads.
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96876#Comment_968762008-10-31T07:26:16-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
Apparently Bill O'Reilly attributes john Mccain's poor polling to not going on his show enough.
For some time now, fox seems to have been bracing for an Obama victory and preparing to blame it on ...
not going on his show enough.

For some time now, fox seems to have been bracing for an Obama victory and preparing to blame it on electoral fraud and media bias.

These are, of course, the same people who think it's unpatriotic to criticise the President in a time of war.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96878#Comment_968782008-10-31T07:30:29-05:002008-10-31T07:30:43-05:00vrbtmhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2192
Would my Minnesotan brethren give an update on Coleman/Franken? I find that to be the closest and most interesting race in the country (maybe tied with Hagen/Dole). I've seen the polls, but does ...
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96897#Comment_968972008-10-31T08:33:42-05:002008-10-31T08:34:35-05:00pi8youhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=628
@vrbtm - Bill Clinton was in town to stump for Franken last night(I like the STrib's picture better), no sign of late boosters for Pawlenty(but he's responding to a lawsuit this morning about some ...
last night(I like the STrib's picture better), no sign of late boosters for Pawlenty(but he's responding to a lawsuit this morning about some Stevens-esque looking stuff), Barkley's finally put out an ad(looking for the video), and MPR's calling it a dead heat, with the numbers within the margin of error and a large number of 'soft' voters. There's also accusations of Coleman sleeping around(with women!), doesn't seem to have grabbed any attention as yet, and I don't know that its going to at this point.

Coleman's a dirty fuck that's busy failing to win the hearts of Wellstone lovers, but he's put some serious effort into my home area of the state. Never particularly been a fan of Franken, but he's sitting as one of the lynchpins in the plan to get the Senate to 60 and he's definitely waged a decent campaign. Barkley's a wildcard that will either see his numbers plummet on election day, create a mass of chaos in the numbers, or take it all, a bit of that Ventura anything-could-still-happen creeping in. Despite knowing its bad for Franken's chances, I still keep getting this urge to vote for Barkley, possibly due to being 17 when it came time to elect Ventura(gods, that was 10 years ago?).]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96898#Comment_968982008-10-31T08:43:00-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00pi8youhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=628
Morning political amusement, Obama and Palin being added as playable characters in Mercenaries 2, with trailer goodness:
Apparently the battlefield's too rough for McCain ;)
Apparently the battlefield's too rough for McCain ;)]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96905#Comment_969052008-10-31T08:54:54-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00ScottBieserhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=477
Clearly, the one thing that can stop the Obama juggernaut now is the flaky computer voting machines.
My worry is that if those machines flip the victory to McCain, and it is clear this is what ...
My worry is that if those machines flip the victory to McCain, and it is clear this is what happened, things could get very ugly here. As in massive civil unrest, giving Bush the excuse to finally invoke the martial law powers he's been quietly putting in place these past few years.

My other worry is that a decisive Obama victory will set off the racists and related kooks, who will raise enough hell that it'll be Obama who invokes the martial law powers Bush thoughtfully put into place for him.

I'm going to wait out the election in my bunker. In the meantime, for the anarchist point of view on this election (or any election), here's a video from my internet pal Stefan Molyneux:

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The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96919#Comment_969192008-10-31T09:23:18-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Lazarus2009http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4645
dont want to get your hopes up
pretty much all the media here have written McCain off and handed it to the challenger. see the BBC for their coverage.
i sometimes watch Fox on deep cable over ...
pretty much all the media here have written McCain off and handed it to the challenger. see the BBC for their coverage.

i sometimes watch Fox on deep cable over here, normally for shits and giggles, and i cant see how they are going to spin this.personally i think its going to come down to the wire, dirty tricks on all sides, and the aftermath is going to be something we havent seen before - no matter who wins. i honestly dont see a seamless transfer of power.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96923#Comment_969232008-10-31T09:30:33-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Lazarus2009http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4645
@sara 013
the neo nazi side bar story was the most disturbing part of this weeks coverage, what with their dastardly plans for mass murder and beheadings written in (i presume) crayons.
get close ...
the neo nazi side bar story was the most disturbing part of this weeks coverage, what with their dastardly plans for mass murder and beheadings written in (i presume) crayons.

get close to him and defeat his security by wearing "white tuxedos and top hats" to blend in then drive at him all guns blaring. christ, its hardly day of the jackal,is it.and i worry too about all the others out there who may not be that stupid.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96925#Comment_969252008-10-31T09:32:15-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00ScottShttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=370
I don't think we'll see a "seamless transfer of power" no matter who wins, but I also think people are underestimating the public's sheepishness. There will be some outcry from either the ...
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96930#Comment_969302008-10-31T09:42:18-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00William Joseph Dunnhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2798
"My worry is that if those machines flip the victory to McCain, and it is clear this is what happened, things could get very ugly here. As in massive civil unrest, giving Bush the excuse to ...
"My worry is that if those machines flip the victory to McCain, and it is clear this is what happened, things could get very ugly here. As in massive civil unrest, giving Bush the excuse to finally invoke the martial law powers he's been quietly putting in place these past few years."

I don't know, if you mean "civil unrest" as in people getting their guns and storming the White House, I think your underestimating the apathy of the American public.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96932#Comment_969322008-10-31T09:45:41-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Brendan McGinleyhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=93
Bill O'Reilly also took time out of his latest book to explain how he would have ended "Seinfeld" better than incarceration by simply showing a highlight reel. And he sexually harasses ...
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96935#Comment_969352008-10-31T10:04:41-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00doclivingstonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2318
Early voter numbers from key states:
Florida - About 2.6 million already voted, 45% registered Democrats, 39% registered Republicans
North Carolina - About 1.6 million voted, 54% Democrats, 29% ...
Early voter numbers from key states:Florida - About 2.6 million already voted, 45% registered Democrats, 39% registered RepublicansNorth Carolina - About 1.6 million voted, 54% Democrats, 29% RepublicansIowa - About 370,000 voted, 49% Democrats, 29% RepublicansColorado - About 815,000 voted, 39% Democrats, 37% RepublicansNevada - About 342,000 voted in Clark and Washoe Counties (where nearly 90 percent of the state's population lives), 53% Democrats, 30% RepublicansNew Mexico - About 111,000 voted in Bernalillo County, state's largest, 55% Democrats, 33% RepublicansGeorgia - Black voters make up about 35% of those who have already voted (up from 2004 election, when 25% of the state's electorate was black), and who voted for Obama 9-to-1 in the primaries

Georgia releases demographic info but not party info, not all states or counties report, and none reveal actual votes, but it's fairly safe to assume Democrats are voting Barack. Also worth noting Barack is sure to steal more Republican votes than McCain will Democrat votes.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96951#Comment_969512008-10-31T11:28:03-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00ScottBieserhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=477
@William
I don't see any kind of mass movement, of the likes of Coksey's Army, marching on Washington. If Obama loses and it's clearly a stolen election I worry about race riots in some cities. If a ...
I don't see any kind of mass movement, of the likes of Coksey's Army, marching on Washington. If Obama loses and it's clearly a stolen election I worry about race riots in some cities. If a bad cop-beating jury-verdict can make Los Angeles explode, what happens when a person who has become the embodiment and vessel of most African-Americans' hopes and aspirations gets cheated out of his just achievement? I think if I were black I'd throw some bricks myself.

On the other side, I see a clutch of white supremacists much smaller in number but much more focused and therefore dangerous in potential, reacting to an Obama victory by pulling off some Murray Office Building-type bombings, or maybe sniping at black Federal employees, or some such rash of insanity that will similarly lend public support for further expanding police power. Heck, the public will practically beg to be subjugated, for safety's sake.

But maybe I am just paranoid. We'll see, won't we?]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96961#Comment_969612008-10-31T12:05:17-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00vrbtmhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2192
Why don't we notch down the pronouncements of race riots? ...If for no other reason than it is worthless to discuss.
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96967#Comment_969672008-10-31T12:19:45-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
@vrbtm: Hell yes. If Obama loses it's not the Watts riots on a national scale. People will do stupid shit, but I don't see it turning into Obama-geddon.
McCain fans love torturing kids by the ...
McCain fans love torturing kids by the way. Here's a McFail supporter who got tired of people stealing his signs, so he ELECTRIFIED them.

Someone's going to be watching the results from jail.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96970#Comment_969702008-10-31T12:25:41-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00vrbtmhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2192
Okay, political speculative fiction.
McCain, resigned to a loss or at least desperate for a last chance, cans Palin and picks Lieberman to try to bring over hesitant voters.
Palin returns to ...
McCain, resigned to a loss or at least desperate for a last chance, cans Palin and picks Lieberman to try to bring over hesitant voters.

Palin returns to Alaska to campaign for Stevens, vowing to nominate a new Senator upon his re-election and stepping down. (Can she do that?) Maybe she steps down, her Lt. becomes gov and appoints her, buttressing her for a 2012 run?

That's crazy. That'd be wiiiiild.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96973#Comment_969732008-10-31T12:31:28-05:002008-10-31T14:29:43-05:00vrbtmhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2192
Sorry for over-posting, but 538 has a fantastic collection of photos to sum up what they've seen on their tour of America over the last 100000000 months.
How do you describe McCain's campaign ...
a fantastic collection of photos to sum up what they've seen on their tour of America over the last 100000000 months.

How do you describe McCain's campaign offices? "Big Empty"

Nate & Co. really did a fantastic job for this election, and as high-information folks we are, we're lucky to have them around. Awesome.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96985#Comment_969852008-10-31T13:24:07-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00ScottShttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=370
Sometimes I think Sarah Palin can't say anything more ridiculous. I should know better.
The 1st Amendment is threatened by criticism!
The 1st Amendment is threatened by criticism!]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96988#Comment_969882008-10-31T13:32:53-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00ZJVavrekhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4243
ScottS:
Sounds exactly like the line Tito the Builder was trying to give in his interview on the previous page. They're attacking Joe the Plumber, this is harming his first amendment rights, ...
Sounds exactly like the line Tito the Builder was trying to give in his interview on the previous page. They're attacking Joe the Plumber, this is harming his first amendment rights, because the first amendment says we can't contest what people say. *ahem*.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96992#Comment_969922008-10-31T13:42:23-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00ScottShttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=370
ZJVavrek:
Exactly. I want to call Obama a secret Muslim terrorist who sodomizes white school children and rapes nuns... but that pesky media keeps saying I'm being "negative". What ...
Exactly. I want to call Obama a secret Muslim terrorist who sodomizes white school children and rapes nuns... but that pesky media keeps saying I'm being "negative". What about MY right to express myself without having to actually back my insane opinions up?]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96994#Comment_969942008-10-31T13:46:13-05:002008-10-31T13:54:53-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
@ScottS:
I kid about McCain being old and FAIL and bush being a stooge, but I don't hate them.
Palin? Well, that woman is deeply fucking stupid.
Speaking of comedy, A McCain protestor ...
I kid about McCain being old and FAIL and bush being a stooge, but I don't hate them.

Palin? Well, that woman is deeply fucking stupid.

Speaking of comedy, A McCain protestor wielding a picture of Obama in African dress is confronted by Obama supporters. Did I mention his stupid hat? Oh you will love the hat. That's a freedom hat son, not a Muslim evil do-er hat.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=96997#Comment_969972008-10-31T13:51:27-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00ScottShttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=370
@Orwellseyes
except that McCain is old.
And I don't hate Palin (I refuse to put that much emotional investment into her). I really just want her (and Joe the Plumber) to go away. Now.
except that McCain is old.

And I don't hate Palin (I refuse to put that much emotional investment into her). I really just want her (and Joe the Plumber) to go away. Now.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97000#Comment_970002008-10-31T13:57:40-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00doclivingstonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2318
This makes me sad, because I actually immensely respect Bob Dole, but...Elizabeth Dole is a sleazy piece of shit.
Elizabeth Dole is a sleazy piece of shit.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97021#Comment_970212008-10-31T14:31:32-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Wintherhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2913
The blatant lying displayed here aside, it's very telling - and, for me, at least, fairly disconcerting - that apparently being accused of being "godless" is still widely considered the ...
I mean, not really surprising, but still... That kinda disturbs me a lot more than the actual lying.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97023#Comment_970232008-10-31T14:35:15-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
CNN has an interactive map with state-by-state early voting data.
interactive map with state-by-state early voting data.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97025#Comment_970252008-10-31T14:40:04-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
Umm, if as Scott hypothesizes the election result is blatantly rigged and the courts fail to provide a remedy aren't protesting and ultimately armed uprising an appropriate response?
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97030#Comment_970302008-10-31T14:51:49-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
@Kosmopolit:
This is the first Youtube election, yeah it's cliche but true, and you're going to see that play out HARD on election day. Everyone, EVERYONE, has a fucking camera (aside: My ...
This is the first Youtube election, yeah it's cliche but true, and you're going to see that play out HARD on election day. Everyone, EVERYONE, has a fucking camera (aside: My girlfriend did not want a cameraphone and the Sprint guy asked "Is this about your religion?") and is going to be using it the SECOND things get weird. People are going to be live-blogging the vote in a way that's never been seen. If bullshit starts to fly ("Oh, we ran out of democratic ballots") it's going to be all over the place. I'm very curious to see if sites like Digg and youtube and twitter don't server tank on tuesday.

The fuckers are not stealing this election.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97050#Comment_970502008-10-31T16:09:38-05:002008-10-31T16:15:03-05:00Oddculthttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=214
editing. hang on.
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97053#Comment_970532008-10-31T16:16:57-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00MegaGooseyhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2537
The blatant lying displayed here aside, it's very telling - and, for me, at least, fairly disconcerting - that apparently being accused of being "godless" is still widely considered the ...
The blatant lying displayed here aside, it's very telling - and, for me, at least, fairly disconcerting - that apparently being accused of being "godless" is still widely considered the ultimate insult, beyond all the other kinds of shit these people have pelted each other with.

I mean, not really surprising, but still... That kinda disturbs me a lot more than the actual lying.Agreed.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97055#Comment_970552008-10-31T16:21:36-05:002008-10-31T16:21:51-05:00pi8youhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=628
@Oddcult - I was going to make a comment about Eminem taking a cue from Anonymous there, but then it got to the end and see that its for the 2004 election. Hmm. Good piece though.
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97059#Comment_970592008-10-31T16:32:29-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00doclivingstonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2318
The fuckers are not stealing this election. On top of the cameras being everywhere, there's literally an army of lawyers volunteering to watch over polling sites all over too.
Shit's good.
The fuckers are not stealing this election. On top of the cameras being everywhere, there's literally an army of lawyers volunteering to watch over polling sites all over too.

Shit's good.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97060#Comment_970602008-10-31T16:34:48-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00pi8youhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=628
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The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97072#Comment_970722008-10-31T17:36:16-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00pi8youhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=628
Just got a batshit crazies link from my mom, I really need to have an election talk with her...
batshit crazies link from my mom, I really need to have an election talk with her...]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97077#Comment_970772008-10-31T18:02:11-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00arauhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3580
Just found out my grandmother voted for McCain. Disappointing but expected of a white senior in MD. Luckily she will be drowned out by the state's overwhelming blueness.
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97081#Comment_970812008-10-31T18:28:01-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00mlpetershttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2922
@pi8you
People paid for supporting Obama online? Fuck, where's my check?
Sounds like a Clinton supporter's incredibly sour grapes. Though on second thought (and skimming a bit further) it ...
People paid for supporting Obama online? Fuck, where's my check?

Sounds like a Clinton supporter's incredibly sour grapes. Though on second thought (and skimming a bit further) it sounds more like a McCain/Palin supporter playing a Hillary supporter... and the comments seem to agree.

It's amazing how many times Obama can very clearly tell us what he stands for and some people still insist he doesn't stand for anything -- read "The Audacity of Hope" -- it's all in there.

Monday I'm doing get out the vote work for the Obama campaign and Tuesday I'm voting -- can hardly wait to vote. I'd never been involved in a campaign before, but this election seemed too important to stand on the sidelines. Oh -- and no one I know was paid - - I even had to donate some cash to get a yard sign (only to have it stolen:( )]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97082#Comment_970822008-10-31T18:31:45-05:002008-10-31T18:32:06-05:00mithhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4824
The fuckers are not stealing this election.
They don't have to steal this election.
The fuckers are not stealing this election.

They don't have to steal this election.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97098#Comment_970982008-10-31T20:25:00-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00James Pucketthttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2911
Umm, if as Scott hypothesizes the election result is blatantly rigged and the courts fail to provide a remedy aren't protesting and ultimately armed uprising an appropriate response?
If one agrees ...
Umm, if as Scott hypothesizes the election result is blatantly rigged and the courts fail to provide a remedy aren't protesting and ultimately armed uprising an appropriate response?

If one agrees with John Locke and Thomas Payne…yes!]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97116#Comment_971162008-11-01T00:42:32-05:002008-11-01T00:54:28-05:00Brent Wilcoxhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1653
I just hope it's a statistical wrap for Obama by 7:00pm or earlier Alaska Time (11 PM EST). Then I'll be able to get off work and not think about the election for another four years. Maybe I can ...
Although I throughly expect Ted Stevens will be reelected "because of all he's done for Alaska".

@vrtbmPalin returns to Alaska to campaign for Stevens, vowing to nominate a new Senator upon his re-election and stepping down. (Can she do that?)

After Gov Murkowski appointed his daughter to his own vacant Senate seat, laws were passed by the Legislature, and voted in by initiative, to prevent that.There has to be an election within 60-90 days, the Gov can't just appoint someone. But the two laws are somewhat contradictory, and first the State Supreme will have to figure out what they actually amount to.

Stevens still represents the "corrupt old guard" of the Alaskan Republicans who stand in the way of her plans for evangelical world domination.She just didn't have the clout to take him on before. She'll campaign for one of her friends to replace him.

I'd really like to see our Representative, Don Young, go down this election - which is a possibility. He's a blithering blustering idiot. My favorite quote from him was blaming 911 not on Islamic Terrorists, but on the anarchists who protested the WTO in Seattle. Hmm... World Trade Organization, World Trade Center... it's obvious!]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97141#Comment_971412008-11-01T04:11:02-05:002008-11-01T05:48:41-05:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
Has anyone seen the RNC Hallloween ad ? 90% of the way through it I was convinced it was a parody.
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97144#Comment_971442008-11-01T04:23:33-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
It looks like I'll be driving voters to the polls in Indiana come election day for the Obama campaign. Yeah, didn't vote for the man, but will deliver unto him voters. If it sounds a bit daft it's ...
My own voting conscience aside, the notion of helping people get to the polls just seems like a good way to spend election day. I'm going to have my camera on hand, hopefully I'll be assaulted by McCain zealots and go down screaming "I didn't even vote for the guy!" as they carve B's in my cheeks.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97159#Comment_971592008-11-01T06:45:18-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
The last three days the average Obama lead on RCP has been 6%, 6.5% and 6.3%.
Tightening? My arse!
Tightening? My arse!]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97206#Comment_972062008-11-01T11:44:31-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Abner Cadaverhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=708
John McCain is entirely nuts if he thinks winning Pennsylvania would ensure him the election. If Obama manages to pick up just Colorado, Virginia and Nevada - this is giving Ohio, Florida, Missouri ...
I can't see this new 'illegal alien aunt' thing become an actual scandal. At best, it'll just bolster the already paranoid suspicion that the only reason Obama is becoming president is to move his entire Kenyan extended family to the US.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97208#Comment_972082008-11-01T11:56:01-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00mybrainhurtshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1584
That's a hell of a long con.
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97214#Comment_972142008-11-01T12:30:46-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Val A Lindsay IIhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1680
What kind of percentage do you think Obama needs to win by for election theft to be an ineffectual tool for the RNC to use in the future? I think it needs to be at least 8 percent to make it too hot ...
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97215#Comment_972152008-11-01T12:49:12-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00James Pucketthttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2911
How much a candidate wins by has no bearing on future election rigging. What really impacts election rigging is voting procedures. Badly designed/coded/manufactured voting machines and voting ...
• require a paper ballot, with a separate receipt that can be confirmed online post-election• enforce ballot design standards that have been developed by AIGA• require businesses to give any employee a day off to volunteer at or monitor polling stations• make early voting mandatory, in-person and by mail, in every state to limit the ability of a party to use volunteers to manipulate voters or election results at the polls]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97232#Comment_972322008-11-01T14:31:31-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Val A Lindsay IIhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1680
@James Puckett
I'm not referring to the actual rigging of a future election but more towards the perception by the general public the current election was rigged.
Example; While the ...
I'm not referring to the actual rigging of a future election but more towards the perception by the general public the current election was rigged.

Example; While the last two elections may or may not have been rigged, the numbers were so damned close many thought it deserved closer examination. Throw in the fact the Powers that Be were in the pocket of the winning party, it becomes even more suspicious. So much so in fact that a lot of people believe that the last two elections were without a doubt stolen.

If this election is close enough, there is no doubt in my mind the RNC will cry 'foul'. But if Obama, who I believe is going to be the victor at this point, wins by a large enough percentage, the RNC will have a hard time convincing most of the News Media or the People that foul play was involved.

So what percentile do you think Obama needs to win by to comfortably remove the rationale that the Dems 'stole' the elction?]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97241#Comment_972412008-11-01T15:22:09-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
I think the 3 million vote margin Bush won in 2004 was sufficient to convince most people he'd won legitimately (unlike in 2000).
But some of the wing-nuts will insist even if there's an Obama ...
But some of the wing-nuts will insist even if there's an Obama landslide that his rule is somehow illegitimate.

Hell these people tried to claim Clinton was an illegitimate President because, thanks to Perot, he won by a plurality not an outright majority.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97246#Comment_972462008-11-01T15:31:10-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00ScottShttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=370
I was out walking the dogs a bit earlier and saw two people walking across the street from me. Man and a woman, late thirties, early forties at a guess. The guy had a big manilla envelope, the lady ...
1. I'm in Denver, not far off Colfax Ave and Colorado Blvd. Nice little neighborhood, excellent elementary school. Very middle-class.2. They were actually canvassing. John McCain has no ground game.

So as I walked the dogs, I went past them and sure enough... canvassing for Obama. I wanted to ask them for a button, but I didn't. I figured I've already voted, someone else can have the button.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97250#Comment_972502008-11-01T15:39:20-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00AlephNoughthttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=448
@Val:
I would say winning the election by at least 4% popular vote, and not needing any states he won by less than 5% of the vote for that state. A strong final EV count will likely help Obama ...
@Val:

I would say winning the election by at least 4% popular vote, and not needing any states he won by less than 5% of the vote for that state. A strong final EV count will likely help Obama psycholgically, even if some states are closer than that 5%. Looks as if it'll be close, but safe on the popular vote, and fine on states Obama wins by an "uncontestable" margin (thanks to VA / CO; you can take OH, FL and NV out of the picture, and it still looks like a win). Just my guess.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97255#Comment_972552008-11-01T16:00:43-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00doclivingstonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2318
I think the 3 million vote margin Bush won in 2004 was sufficient to convince most people he'd won legitimately (unlike in 2000)Just read an interesting article (it's actually from 2005), focusing on ...
I think the 3 million vote margin Bush won in 2004 was sufficient to convince most people he'd won legitimately (unlike in 2000)Just read an interesting article (it's actually from 2005), focusing on the controversial Ohio numbers in 2004. Blows up a lot of the rumors people were using to question the results, but also confirms some shitty, unethical, yet mostly legal things the Republicans did to help secure the state for Bush. Interesting stuff.

By the by, I agree with the 4% number, though I think his margin will be a good bit larger. There will of course be conspiracy nuts who'll claim it was stolen till the day they die, no matter what happens.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97259#Comment_972592008-11-01T16:38:02-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00vrbtmhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2192
I'd recommend _How to Rig an Election_ for people who want to read up more on these tactics. It's basically a tell-all of the horrible stuff both parties do to get votes invalidated, suppress voting ...
I'd recommend _How to Rig an Election_ for people who want to read up more on these tactics. It's basically a tell-all of the horrible stuff both parties do to get votes invalidated, suppress voting blocs, sew confusion, etc.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97266#Comment_972662008-11-01T16:58:18-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Val A Lindsay IIhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1680
@doclivingston
Yeah, nuts that claim a conspiracy and think it's their 'patriotic duty' to do something extreme about it.
@vrbtm
thanks for the recommendation.
Yeah, nuts that claim a conspiracy and think it's their 'patriotic duty' to do something extreme about it.

@vrbtm

thanks for the recommendation.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97296#Comment_972962008-11-01T18:40:23-05:002008-11-01T18:40:44-05:00mlpetershttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2922
Seems like every third ad on TV is a McCain surrogate add, showing Reverend Wright screaming, "God damn America".
Irritates the hell out of me because I know there are some middle of the ...
Irritates the hell out of me because I know there are some middle of the road voters that the constantly repeating message could scare.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97302#Comment_973022008-11-01T18:45:59-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00RenThinghttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=155
Hi all, officially married, and jumped back in. You guys write a lot in a day and half.
Wife pointed me to this article about a Sarah Palin rally that had no word of John McCain at it.
I know ...
Wife pointed me to this article about a Sarah Palin rally that had no word of John McCain at it.

I know it's a little early but it'll be interesting to see if Palin keeps "campaigning" over the next four years.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97306#Comment_973062008-11-01T18:53:43-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00LBAhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=615
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The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97319#Comment_973192008-11-01T19:28:33-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00vrbtmhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2192
Man, I miss Russert.
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97321#Comment_973212008-11-01T19:42:05-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00mlpetershttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2922
"Man, I miss Russert. "
Yeah -- the sadness of his untimely death aside, Brokaw is an awful replacement.
After the election (when it's less important) they're supposed to try to ...
Yeah -- the sadness of his untimely death aside, Brokaw is an awful replacement.

After the election (when it's less important) they're supposed to try to find some to take over the show. I'd bet NBC has two choices picked right now to either go against or suck up to whoever wins...]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97328#Comment_973282008-11-01T20:29:33-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00arauhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3580
Palin now looks like more of an idiot after a pair of Canadian comedians talked their way past her minders and impersonated the president of ...
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2008/11/sarah_palin_pranked_by_sarkozy.html]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97353#Comment_973532008-11-01T21:58:44-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00ScottShttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=370
So just remember: if Obama wins it's because God hates "prayer warriors" .
God hates "prayer warriors" .]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97372#Comment_973722008-11-02T01:51:32-05:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Greg SBB!http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=856
Personally I'll be most interested to see the effect of Obama's much vaunted ground game and also how much pollsters have underestimated the youth vote through filtering out first time voters and ...
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97421#Comment_974212008-11-02T07:55:59-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00vrbtmhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2192
@Greg SBB!, most methodologies have been modified to include cellphone users since the springtime. I agree with you on the other points. I sure hope the younglings get their asses to the polls.
Greg SBB!, most methodologies have been modified to include cellphone users since the springtime. I agree with you on the other points. I sure hope the younglings get their asses to the polls.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97426#Comment_974262008-11-02T08:27:14-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
McCain supporter in Michigan refuses to give halloween candy to "Obama supporters"
I tried to think of something funny or snarky to add to that, but honestly, what the fuck is wrong ...

I tried to think of something funny or snarky to add to that, but honestly, what the fuck is wrong with this woman? Getting kids to your door, opening the door, holding candy and then administering a political test? If she tried that shit on me as a kid she's still be cleaning the eggs off her house and dog shit off her porch.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97428#Comment_974282008-11-02T08:45:36-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00doclivingstonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2318
Yep, that's the ticket! You're definitely gonna help McCain win support by being a withholding crazy asshole to children. That totally makes sense.
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97429#Comment_974292008-11-02T08:58:24-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
To be fair, it was all old people candy. Y'know, black licorice and mints that smell like linament.
By the way, this was on a FOX affiliate. That's gotta sting.
By the way, this was on a FOX affiliate. That's gotta sting.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97430#Comment_974302008-11-02T09:01:57-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00doclivingstonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2318
Started paying attention to CNN's voter hotline map, set up so anyone across the nation who witnesses or experiences anything questionable or problematic with voting can call in and report it. ...
CNN's voter hotline map, set up so anyone across the nation who witnesses or experiences anything questionable or problematic with voting can call in and report it. Surprisingly, touchscreen problems are the fifth most frequent topic, registration is the major issue. Georgia and Florida are producing the most calls.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97437#Comment_974372008-11-02T09:49:46-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00vrbtmhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2192
@orwellseyes:
How about Werther's Originals? The worst of bad old people candy. Old people call them suckables.
"Would you like a Werther's suckable for the road?"
Fuck that.
orwellseyes:

How about Werther's Originals? The worst of bad old people candy. Old people call them suckables.

"Would you like a Werther's suckable for the road?"

Fuck that.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97438#Comment_974382008-11-02T09:52:19-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Oddculthttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=214
Can anyone find a copy of the pre-election version of Eminem's 'Mosh'? I can only find the edited version.
Whilst Eminem is hardly the greatest political commentator around, that was a fairly ...
Whilst Eminem is hardly the greatest political commentator around, that was a fairly powerful video, that I think needs to be spread around again right now.

It didn't really work last time, but it highlighted the way that the youth and ethnic minority vote is being attacked and could possibly do with going around again.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97449#Comment_974492008-11-02T11:01:26-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00oldhathttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=75
Just thought I'd show these two little hilarious P.S.As

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The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97454#Comment_974542008-11-02T11:22:30-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00keighterhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3210
@robinleblanc those are fantastic!
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97460#Comment_974602008-11-02T12:01:55-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00James Pucketthttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2911
Good to see the MSM really hammering on voting problems. Too bad we had three fucked up elections in a row before they got around to it, tho.
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97468#Comment_974682008-11-02T13:13:58-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
@Vrbtm:
I like those. Mainly cause my dad looked EXACTLY like the granddad in those commercials when I was a kid. Just give him an indecipherable Irish brogue and that was my dad.
I have ...
I like those. Mainly cause my dad looked EXACTLY like the granddad in those commercials when I was a kid. Just give him an indecipherable Irish brogue and that was my dad.

I have this odd affection for old people, but McCain and his geriatric band aren't nice old people, the kind who give you candy or pinch babies. They're old coots.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97470#Comment_974702008-11-02T13:27:18-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00MegaGooseyhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2537
@robinleblanc
You win my internet for the day.
You win my internet for the day.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97472#Comment_974722008-11-02T13:36:47-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00rough nighthttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2694
Werther's originals are delicious. I've been startled this year to hear them scorned as bad Halloween candy a few times. I'd never heard this before. What's not to like about butterscotch?
Creepy ...
Creepy Halloween lady's plan won't work out for her, she's just helping build young democrats with ever kid she freaks out.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97474#Comment_974742008-11-02T13:48:31-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
Fivethirtyeight.com reckons there is some slight tightening for McCain - but that he remains too far behind to have any realistic chance of winning.
I think their estimate is now a 94% chance of ...
I think their estimate is now a 94% chance of an Obama win down from around 96%.

Meanwhile in crazy town, one of the posters in a conservative forum where I lurk claims the Obama "O" logo is a disguised "666".

This is the same guy who claims there was a court order in the Berg case disqualifying Obama from running but that it's been completely removed from the internet and that his computer was hacked to wipe the copy he saved.

He and his buddies are buying extra ammo for Tuesday "just in case".]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97480#Comment_974802008-11-02T14:09:04-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00LokiZerohttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=368
They only need one bullet each.
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97484#Comment_974842008-11-02T14:38:19-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00MaChttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2175
@LokiZero
Never know with those thick skulls. Better safe then sorry, I say.
Never know with those thick skulls. Better safe then sorry, I say.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97507#Comment_975072008-11-02T17:00:47-06:002008-11-02T17:24:04-06:00doclivingstonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2318
Why I feel secure in my ridiculous optimism: I just played around with CNN's Electoral Map Calculator, giving literally every state currently polling as a toss-up to McCain (which isn't going to ...
CNN's Electoral Map Calculator, giving literally every state currently polling as a toss-up to McCain (which isn't going to happen), and then even switched Pennsylvania to McCain (which isn't going to happen), and let every other state go to whoever is currently polling ahead (which is fair - if it's close enough to be in the margin of error [usually a meaty +/- 4] it's considered a toss-up, so even just "leaning" states often still show substantial leads).

And that scenario, which is deliberately tilted toward McCain to an unrealistic degree, still happens to put Obama at exactly 270. (Edit: didn't notice at first, but CNN had North Carolina as a toss-up on the calculator map but actually has Obama polling a good six points ahead there, so that's another 15 electoral votes very unlikely to go to McCain.)

I'm fucking giddy with excitement.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97518#Comment_975182008-11-02T18:04:27-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00vrbtmhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2192
@Kosmo,
I'm waiting for a good write up tomorrow from 538, but I'm thinking Nate's adjustments to the model can account for SOME of the tightening.
Kosmo,

I'm waiting for a good write up tomorrow from 538, but I'm thinking Nate's adjustments to the model can account for SOME of the tightening.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97527#Comment_975272008-11-02T19:44:12-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
I said before, I didn't vote for Obama, and here's one of the reasons why. His response about gay marriage just makes my teeth hurt.
When an MTV viewer wanted to know what Democratic presidential ...

When an MTV viewer wanted to know what Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama thought of Proposition 8, a state constitutional amendment on the 2008 California general-election ballot that would eliminate the right of same-sex couples to marry, MTV News brought the question straight to the man himself.

"I think it's unnecessary," Obama told Sway, in response to a question sent in by Gangstagigz from San Leandro, California. "I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I am not in favor of gay marriage. But when you start playing around with constitutions, just to prohibit somebody who cares about another person, it just seems to me that's not what America's about. Usually, our constitutions expand liberties, they don't contract them."

Which all fine well and good, but here sits the son of a black man and a white woman, a union that was illegal in large parts of this country until Obama himself was six years old. The arguments against gay marriage are no different than those against couples of different races and religions coming together. In fact, the language is eeriely similar. Yes, "civil unions", so if you create a seperate but equal class it's ok? Again, familiar.

Of course, it's light years better than the current brain-stem, who hasn't acknowledge the GLBTQ existence except as a threat to the morals of the nation. If the rough estimate of 10% of the population is gay, that's 30 million people ignored. McCain would be more of the same, I know that. And I hear the argument "oh he's just saying that to appease the kooks."

But fuck if hearing a sensible man, who fucking KNOWS better for many reasons, spout that shit doesn't just gall me.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97531#Comment_975312008-11-02T19:52:28-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00RenThinghttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=155
Can't say that I disagree with you. While I felt that Biden's answer to the gay marriage question during the VP debate was a lot better than Palin's scrambling, "But some of my friends are ...
At least he gets and agrees with the fact that Prop 8 is wrong.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97549#Comment_975492008-11-02T21:30:29-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00ScottBieserhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=477
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The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97551#Comment_975512008-11-02T21:56:33-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00LudwigTheurerhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4312
If he said "yes" and "gay" on the same sentence, he would be painted as the anti-Christ, considering how much he must "hold back" I think he's very for-gay-marriage in ...
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97555#Comment_975552008-11-02T22:41:54-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
@Sageludwig:
Nah, he's already the anti-christ to those people, he's not winning them over by taking this tact.
I'm old and bitter on the subject. Clinton gave us "Don't ask ...
Nah, he's already the anti-christ to those people, he's not winning them over by taking this tact.

I'm old and bitter on the subject. Clinton gave us "Don't ask don'tell", which is little more than a Jim Crow law for the military and Gore and Kerry paid lip service to the GLBT community while gladly cashing their checks.

I came into the gay rights movement inspired by groups like ACT UP and QUEER NATION, who were active when I was in grade school but influenced a whole generation of GLBT rights proponents.

There's no non-religious explanation for opposing gay marriage that I've heard. Even the most ardent supporter who will deny any religious motive to the wall eventually boils it down to some kind of religious taboo. It's asking the GLBT community to accept second-class citizenship because some people have a religious bigotry. It's a question of human rights and equality for millions of people.

Obama's an eloquent man, if you don't think he could articulate how gay marriage isn't about annhilating people's churches or destroying "the family unit" he's not half the orator he seems.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97558#Comment_975582008-11-02T22:47:50-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00johnjoneshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1052
If he said "yes" and "gay" on the same sentence, he would be painted as the anti-Christ, considering how much he must "hold back" I think he's very for-gay-marriage in ...
If he said "yes" and "gay" on the same sentence, he would be painted as the anti-Christ, considering how much he must "hold back" I think he's very for-gay-marriage in reality.

This is my own perception and shouldn't be confused with whatever Obama's position truly is, but I don't think he is for gay marriage. The man seems to be fairly conservative in his own morals as well as a strongly committed Christian (who is not really a biblical scholar). That said, Obama also seems to be a person who will defend the Constitution even if he personally disagrees with those whom he's defending. Just because he'd fight a Flag-burning amendment to the Constitution doesn't mean he's in favor of flag burning. Similarly, while Obama believes that gay/lesbian citizens should have the right to have legally recognized committed relationships doesn't mean he wants those relationships to be called "marriages." "Civil Unions" might have all the legal rights and force of a marriage, but I think Obama's reluctant to give up that last inch of recognition.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97559#Comment_975592008-11-02T23:01:51-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Jon Wakehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1684
Obama's views on religion.

Obama's views on religion.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97560#Comment_975602008-11-02T23:04:54-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00doclivingstonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2318
Obama's an eloquent man, if you don't think he could articulate how gay marriage isn't about annhilating people's churches or destroying "the family unit" he's not half the orator he ...
Obama's an eloquent man, if you don't think he could articulate how gay marriage isn't about annhilating people's churches or destroying "the family unit" he's not half the orator he seems.He couldn't and still maintain the nice numbers he's pulling. I know plenty of black Baptist Obama supporters that would immediately decide to take back their vote if they knew Obama was going to push enacting gay rights legislation, and even more white Catholic Democrats that would do the same. I also know Obama benefits from siphoning off a number of Republican voters, who could largely be holding their noses enough this election to abide disagreeing with portions of Obama's platform, but who knows, maybe gay rights is the straw that breaks the camel's back with them, and they turn. Even worse, coming out with a strong show of support for the GLBT community just adds fodder for the Republican camp, who'll find it that much easier to mobilize their base and rile up the bigots to get out and vote. The enthusiasm advantage Democrats are enjoying would definitely weaken.

Does it suck? Yes. But you've only got one hope if you're looking for a president who'll actually do something about gay rights: hope and pray they sneak into office saying all the "right" things the close-minded want to hear (or at least won't froth at the mouth in rage at hearing), then once elected actually go to bat for equal rights. Otherwise you've got a long wait ahead for you. This country's too dumb to elect the idealized candidate you're looking for anytime soon.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97568#Comment_975682008-11-03T02:10:46-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Cymanhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1925
Pretty sure this was already posted about 5 or 6 months ago and we all chuckled about his scripture line and the "How would Jesus feel", but here it is, Abortion and then Gay Marriage at ...
And more on Gay Marriage:He understands; all he's saying is that it's too radical at this point, and we have to take it a step at a time. I don't know that I agree, but better safe than sorry. In any case it beats McCain's stance. Here's Obama again: A religious guy; he's not gay, but he keeps saying it's ridiculous to not afford those civil rights to others. There is a difference between legalizing gay marriage everywhere and "allowing for civil unions", and I think in his mind that difference is also called the swing vote. I think he's been pretty clear about this over the last few years. He doesn't believe in it at his core, but he understands the necessity for the rest of the country, without going balls out.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97579#Comment_975792008-11-03T04:13:18-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00mercurialblondehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2444
I feel like at least Obama isn't going to be attacking LGBT like the Bush clan has been. At least by electing Obama we can get some breathing room on these issues, because he's not going to sit ...
But yeah his positions on Gay Marriage was a big reason why it took me a long time to move into his camp. His position on gay marriage won't hurt me, and I agree with him on a lot of other issues. I think he will make the country a better place to live, and alleviate a lot of the craziness that has been allowed to fester. I think under an Obama presidency, we'll move toward a more tolerant and accepting society overall. And hopefully one with better healthcare.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97615#Comment_976152008-11-03T08:07:27-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00roquehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=482
This country's too dumb to elect the idealized candidate you're looking for anytime soon.
WELL said.
This country's too dumb to elect the idealized candidate you're looking for anytime soon.

WELL said.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97617#Comment_976172008-11-03T08:12:15-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
There is a difference between legalizing gay marriage everywhere and "allowing for civil unions", and I think in his mind that difference is also called the swing vote.
John and Jane get ...
There is a difference between legalizing gay marriage everywhere and "allowing for civil unions", and I think in his mind that difference is also called the swing vote.

John and Jane get a marriage license. It's a document, recorded with the state that they are married. They file taxes jointly, share company benefits and enjoy the over 1000 benefits enjoyed by married.

If Obama is saying that the federal government will recognize civil unions what's going to be the difference? Again, seperate but equal.

I know that makes some people uneasy, the language of the civil rights movement and Jim Crow, but when you have a law that says these people are entitled to more protections under the law than those people because of some ridiculous distinction, does it matter if it is color or gender or sexual identity?

The baby steps argument is a fine one, but small steps also make it easier for future conservative governments to take those rights away. Putting GLBT equality into hard and written law, making it a matter of fact not well-meaning principle, makes it infinitely harder for the republican revolution of 2016 to roll things back.

I don't mean to rain shit on the parade, overall I think Obama's stride is one I like following. But Democrats have a history of talking about gay rights in very expansive terms and running for the narrow middle when it comes time to follow through.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97619#Comment_976192008-11-03T08:16:41-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
@Doclivingston:
This country's too dumb to elect the idealized candidate you're looking for anytime soon.
Accepting that as settled fact just makes matters worse.
Look, he's going to win, ...
This country's too dumb to elect the idealized candidate you're looking for anytime soon.

Accepting that as settled fact just makes matters worse.

Look, he's going to win, barring John McCain curing AIDS/Alheimers and perfecting clean energy in the next 24 hours. But hold him to account, don't accept pablum or equivocation to pander to people who already hate him for a myriad of other reasons.

Let Obama be Obama.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97637#Comment_976372008-11-03T08:48:41-06:002008-11-03T08:56:05-06:00doclivingstonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2318
Accepting that as settled fact just makes matters worse.Oh by all means, carry on, I'm not trying to say there's no point to the fight right now or anything. I'm entirely with you on everything ...
Accepting that as settled fact just makes matters worse.Oh by all means, carry on, I'm not trying to say there's no point to the fight right now or anything. I'm entirely with you on everything you've said, I'm just saying why Obama's big flaw here isn't going to give me a second's hesitation in supporting him. We still need people constantly pushing for more and better, always everywhere. But I'm also looking at getting a president-elect who's going to do a damn fine job in a whole lot of other areas. I feel secure in assuming this is the best of all realistically possible scenarios right now. That's more than enough for me, after repeatedly seeing pretty much the worst of all realistically possible scenarios play out over the course of damn near a decade. And in all honesty, I really do expect him to address exactly the issues you want him to. (Mayyyybe not until he secures his second term...)

It's fine, even admirable to an extent, to vote your conscience and not support a guy you agree with nine times out of ten or even 99 out of a 100, because of how important that one issue may be and how wrong on it you think they are. Totally do that. I'm just saying, you're gonna need a lot of time and a lot of patience before the candidate you're looking for actually wins the office.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97651#Comment_976512008-11-03T09:04:37-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
Totally do that. I'm just saying, you're gonna need a lot of time and a lot of patience before the candidate you're looking for actually wins the office.
See, I think we're on that path. Obama is ...
Totally do that. I'm just saying, you're gonna need a lot of time and a lot of patience before the candidate you're looking for actually wins the office.

See, I think we're on that path. Obama is LIGHTYEARS better than Kerry. I swear, I once watched that man disagree with himself inside of a single sentence. He spoke fluent jujistu I think he's also an improvement on Gore, who listened to advisers too closely and underestimated the dumbass appeal of Bush. And Clinton, while charismatic and accomplished, was far too centrist for my tastes.

I'm a progressive and a liberal, leaning towards friendly socialism in many ways. The democratic party is getting better at articulating progressive points and not just letting the republicans run the table and define the issues. Liberal values (organized labor, social safety nets, corporations held to account and not granted rights, fully-enforced human rights) are values that so many American share and the hard right has smeared those for decades. I think Obama could be transformational not because of his race, but because of his articulation of those ideals. Again, let Obama be Obama.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97656#Comment_976562008-11-03T09:10:27-06:002008-11-03T09:11:01-06:00arauhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3580
I can't find a link but I think the position articulated at one point by Obama is that marriage should not be a legal act only civil unions. So everyone gets a civil union straight or gay. It is ...
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97658#Comment_976582008-11-03T09:14:12-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
@arau:
That's pretty much the magic ticket to me.
That's pretty much the magic ticket to me.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97660#Comment_976602008-11-03T09:19:06-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Cymanhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1925
the republican revolution of 2016Shit! I must have accidentally clicked the "Things That Should Not Exist" thread.
Yeah, I wish he weren't so religious, but that goes for all religious ...
the republican revolution of 2016Shit! I must have accidentally clicked the "Things That Should Not Exist" thread.

Yeah, I wish he weren't so religious, but that goes for all religious people in my eyes, so I'm never going to be happy with them. HOWEVER, the larger message that he's talking about is tolerance, which I've been having some struggles with recently (very nearly murdered 2 republicans-- They were mocking the fact that my good friend and I don't get to vote-- Details would involve me confessing felonies), and I see it is actually quite hypocritical of Obama to talk so much about tolerance and equality and then pull the separate but equal bullshit. Is it enough? No. Will it be over tomorrow? No. But is it the right direction? Hell yes. But this is a rehash of my last billion posts...

Well done, everyone. I have derived much joy from this discussion, and I thank you very much. I don't get to vote, but I think the more important part will be living in Obama's America. Returning to democracy, practicing tolerance and compassion with a president who knows what the words mean. Changing the way we live. I'm excited for it.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97667#Comment_976672008-11-03T09:26:09-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00RenThinghttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=155
@arau
The problem is that it would I doubt such a rewrite would ever happen, although it's one that many people would support (my mother, for instance, who is voting Yes on 8 would happily rewrite ...
The problem is that it would I doubt such a rewrite would ever happen, although it's one that many people would support (my mother, for instance, who is voting Yes on 8 would happily rewrite everything so everyone gets civil unions, which would be the legal aspect, and those people who wanted them could get "married", which would be the religious aspect).

First of all, the rewrite would require a massive rewriting of not only federal law and tax code but also state laws.

Secondly, those people who are opposed to homosexuals having any kind of equal rights would raise their fists and voices because now their marriages were going to be taken away, that they were going to be replaced by civil unions.

Orwell is right in that "separate but equal" is complete and utter horse shit and civil unions, as they stand now, are crap.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97673#Comment_976732008-11-03T09:39:21-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00paribolzihttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=209
I agree that the right direction is the gov't recognizing ALL marriages as civil unions only, and "marriage" is whatever individuals want to make it, with or without the involvement of a ...
That said, I sometimes question the necessity of gov't recognizing civil unions at all. While both sides dress it up as "helping families," isn't government recognition of marriage, with all the attendant tax breaks, programs, etc., just a way to offer incentives for conservative/traditional behavior? Why do married couples deserve more help than unmarried couples, or single people for that matter? I mean, I understand the thinking, but I question its validity.Full disclaimer: I'm married, have a kid, and intend to take advantage of tax breaks. I'm just bringing up the subject for the purpose of debate. It's interesting.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97697#Comment_976972008-11-03T10:46:50-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00arauhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3580
@paribolzi
It is an acknowledgment of biology to some extent. Governments want to encourage child birth, at least traditionally.
It is an acknowledgment of biology to some extent. Governments want to encourage child birth, at least traditionally.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97718#Comment_977182008-11-03T12:00:31-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00blake petersonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=808
@arau
It is an acknowledgment of biology to some extent. Governments want to encourage child birth, at least traditionally.
That strikes me as an incredibly naive assumption, especially in the ...

It is an acknowledgment of biology to some extent. Governments want to encourage child birth, at least traditionally.

That strikes me as an incredibly naive assumption, especially in the case of American politics, which is and always has been dominated by a certain amount of religiosity. Even Thomas Jefferson, who notably went through the New Testament and excised any references to supernatural or mystical phenomena, acknowledged that it was necessary for him to go to church in order to appeal to the electorate. I think this represents an appeal to a more conservative, church-going portion of the distribution of the voters whose opinions on the subject are largely uninformed by reality--that is to say a lot of people taking it on faith that marriage is by definition male/female because that's what they've been told by the church their entire life.

Obama and Biden have presented an interesting position on it. I don't approve of it morally but find it interesting ethically; their position seems to encourage the idea that it's the rights of the individual state to decide, which has traditionally been the clarion call of Republicans (excepting the current neo-con version). This means they can have their cake and eat it to, reject gay marriage but promote the rights of the voter to create a mandate on the issue. It removes the stress of having to make a stand on either side (while in fact sort of stepping aside and letting civil rights take a beating).

I don't know what Obama's personal views on the subject are. Even if he were actually for promoting the civil liberties of gay people I doubt that he could have run as successful a bid for president while espousing that belief. Or perhaps this is an issue where his politics mirror his personal beliefs. It's not something I'd like to believe, but then I also have trouble believing that Obama the face is Obama the man. In any case, it was clearly a political decision to avoid the subject altogether.

It may have been a very shrewd move on their part. As John Stewart said on the Daily Show after Kerry was defeated, "It seemed to me this election had more to do with people not wanting dudes kissing dudes."]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97729#Comment_977292008-11-03T12:46:05-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00vrbtmhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2192
Great, now I have to stop working and read the Jefferson Bible for the rest of the day.
Thanks, pal.
Thanks, pal.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97738#Comment_977382008-11-03T12:58:18-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Ryan Chttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3942
Will we ever escape the awful hand of religion? A friend said once, and he may have been quoting, "you need religion when you have idiots everywhere." I fear he is right and, therefore, ...
Back on topic, I know the election is just a way to make us feel like we have an opinion but I have never been this excited. If everything goes as I hope I will wake up Wednesday counting the days until January 20th. I just wish someone somewhere would do something to make Cheney and Bush pay for all they have done. I guess I'll just have to reread the first part of Black Summer.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97739#Comment_977392008-11-03T13:01:00-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00epalickihttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=170
So, I just received an email from www.democraticstuff.com. It seems they're already selling Obama victory kitsch.
God, I hope they don't jinx it.
www.democraticstuff.com. It seems they're already selling Obama victory kitsch.

God, I hope they don't jinx it.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97751#Comment_977512008-11-03T13:26:06-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
Will we ever escape the awful hand of religion?
Not to get all quoty at you...
"But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket ...
Will we ever escape the awful hand of religion?

Not to get all quoty at you...

"But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." -Thomas Jefferson

I could care less what people believe or not, as long as they keep it to themselves. I think of it like piercings, if you want to shot a railroad spike through your scrotum, good on you. If you try to do it to me, we will have words.

I say this as a Unitarian.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97752#Comment_977522008-11-03T13:26:50-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Dewey Decibelhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2406
Yeah, you just don't risk that kind of wrath from high atop the thing.
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The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97757#Comment_977572008-11-03T13:42:09-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00pi8youhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=628
I might just have to pick this up:
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The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97759#Comment_977592008-11-03T13:45:54-06:002008-11-03T13:48:27-06:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
Obama's grandmother has reportedly just died.
Cue the first wing-nut blog post about the "suspicious" timing in 3...2...1.... .
Cue the first wing-nut blog post about the "suspicious" timing in 3...2...1.... .]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97764#Comment_977642008-11-03T13:55:21-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
@Kosmopolit:
Reuters just picked up the story.
Christ, tomorrow's gonna be bitter-sweet for the man. She helped bring up a hell of a man.
Reuters just picked up the story.

Christ, tomorrow's gonna be bitter-sweet for the man. She helped bring up a hell of a man.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97765#Comment_977652008-11-03T13:58:31-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00JEFFSJhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=26
@pi8you
Might want to read this very compelling endorsement from Tim O'Reilly as well.
Might want to read this very compelling endorsement from Tim O'Reilly as well.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97769#Comment_977692008-11-03T14:24:43-06:002008-11-03T14:28:36-06:00doclivingstonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2318
Next Congress will likely consider national early voting law. Awesome. Better yet New York Democratic Rep. Steve Israel proposed elections as a 2-day weekend event in November.
Also of note from ...
Next Congress will likely consider national early voting law. Awesome. Better yet New York Democratic Rep. Steve Israel proposed elections as a 2-day weekend event in November.

Also of note from the article: early votes breakdown 57.3 percent by Dems, 42.7 by GOP, according to election statistics (from nine states reporting).]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97772#Comment_977722008-11-03T14:33:21-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
@doclivingston:
See, that's why this election is important, beyond the presidential horse-race. A democratic congress could get more good legislation like this in. Republicans win elections by ...
See, that's why this election is important, beyond the presidential horse-race. A democratic congress could get more good legislation like this in. Republicans win elections by keeping voters away from the polls, dividing on wedge issues and generally running a game.

Now, if we had a voting holiday...that would be awesome.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97775#Comment_977752008-11-03T14:41:40-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
How desperate are the Republicans?
In Florida voters in heavily Democratic areas are receiving fake robocalls telling them that due to the high turnout they can vote by phone.
In Florida voters in heavily Democratic areas are receiving fake robocalls telling them that due to the high turnout they can vote by phone.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97781#Comment_977812008-11-03T14:55:30-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
VA tries to stop wounded vets from registering.
VA tries to stop wounded vets from registering.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97783#Comment_977832008-11-03T15:02:08-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00arauhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3580
@Kosmopolit
That is sick.
That is sick.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97784#Comment_977842008-11-03T15:02:57-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00skwirlhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=849
On the topic of Barack Obama and gay marriage, he has said the Defense of Marriage Act should be repealed, which would force every state to recognize gay marriage as long as the marriage was ...
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97788#Comment_977882008-11-03T15:15:43-06:002008-11-03T15:36:30-06:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
Less than an hour after the first media reports of Madelyn Denham's death.
"I hate to sound callous, but... isn't the timing ringing any bells for anyone?
On a personal note, should he ...

That's from the comment section. I wouldn't criticize the site owner for having a commentator who is slime.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97795#Comment_977952008-11-03T15:34:30-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00aikehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1426
@kosmopolit
nothin' like good christian values.
nothin' like good christian values.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97798#Comment_977982008-11-03T15:40:15-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
Fivethrityeight's final pre-election update.
The national polls have all consolidated into a range of roughly Obama +7. That is right about where our model sees the race as well, giving Obama a ...
ivethrityeight's final pre-election update.

The national polls have all consolidated into a range of roughly Obama +7. That is right about where our model sees the race as well, giving Obama a 6.8 point advantage in its composite of state and national polling. Our model notes, however, that candidates with large leads in the polls have had some tendency to underperform marginally on election day, and so projects an Obama win of 6.0 points tomorrow.

Far more important, of course, is the race for 270 electors. It appears almost certain that Obama will capture all of the states won by John Kerry in 2008. Pennsylvania, while certainly having tightened somewhat over the course of the past two weeks, appears to be holding at a margin of about +8 for Obama, with very few remaining undecideds. Obama also appears almost certain to capture Iowa and New Mexico, which were won by Al Gore in 2000. Collectively, these states total 264 electoral votes, leaving Obama just 5 votes shy of a tie and 6 of a win.

Obama has any number of states to collect those 5 or 6 votes. In inverse order of difficulty, these include Colorado, Virginia, Nevada, Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Missouri and Indiana. Obama is the signficant favorite in several of these states; winning any one of them may be fairly difficult for John McCain, but winning all of them at once, as John McCain probably must do, is nearly impossible.

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The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97808#Comment_978082008-11-03T16:06:52-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Greg SBB!http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=856
@pi8you That copy of the Economist is a good read, the editorial lays out very rational reasons as to why they back Obama. The election articles are also worth reading.
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97848#Comment_978482008-11-03T18:55:20-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00nativio289http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1072
As this thread will be sacrificed for the election day one within hours, allow me to give a bi-polar schizophrenic his say on this thread. This is the last in a series of three that I posted- Yes, I ...
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The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97851#Comment_978512008-11-03T19:05:10-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
Wonkette finds the right-wing shitstains reacting to Obama's Grandmother's death.
I read two of them and wanted to stab my computer. With my teeth.
reacting to Obama's Grandmother's death.

I read two of them and wanted to stab my computer. With my teeth.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97857#Comment_978572008-11-03T19:49:22-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
Here's Obama talking about his Grandmother's passing. You can see it wear on him, but he's eloquent all the same. He doesn't make it a point but he takes that pain and turns it to good purpose. Hell ...
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The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97862#Comment_978622008-11-03T20:08:41-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00RenThinghttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=155
@Orwell
...some people. *shakes head*
...some people. *shakes head*]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97866#Comment_978662008-11-03T20:16:45-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00thom_wonghttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=432
The past 15 pre-election home games for the Washington Redskins have predicted the election. If the Redskins win, the ruling party stays. If the Redskins lose, the ruling party is toast.
The ...

The Redskins are currently trailing 23-6.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97867#Comment_978672008-11-03T20:17:08-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00mlpetershttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2922
"Hell of a thing to watch a politician be a honest to goodness human."
Yeah - -that's one of the reasons I'm voting for him... that and I believe in the progressive values of the ...
Yeah - -that's one of the reasons I'm voting for him... that and I believe in the progressive values of the Democratic party.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97868#Comment_978682008-11-03T20:19:38-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00nativio289http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1072
You want to shake your head, check out the front page of Drudge right now---Its some sad, last ditch grab at pushing the base into action tomorrow--- You've got a 'flashback' to Obama 'making ...

Shame McCain is going to win thanks to Joe the Plumber's big empty bald head. That 'share the wealth', socialism thing was mana from gawd for his campaign.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97872#Comment_978722008-11-03T20:27:20-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00orwellseyeshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2119
Matt Drudge has completely lost whatever marbles he had rattling around in his head over the past couple months. He's always been a right-winger but at least he was still in touch with reality. ...
Ten years from Clinton's blowjob to the election of Obama, The decade of drudge can end now, thanks.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97877#Comment_978772008-11-03T20:57:49-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Brendan McGinleyhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=93
I for one would like to thank the Redskins for nobly throwing the game, and Obama for actually making me believe in change. The future looks good once again.
Good night, America.
Good night, America.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97890#Comment_978902008-11-03T21:45:03-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Abner Cadaverhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=708
The 2008 Formula One Drivers' Championship was just won by the very Obama-looking Lewis Hamilton. Are sports the new sheep's entrails for politics?
Lewis Hamilton. Are sports the new sheep's entrails for politics?]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97893#Comment_978932008-11-03T21:47:41-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Nygaardhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=431
Matt Drudge has completely lost whatever marbles he had rattling around in his head over the past couple months. He's always been a right-winger but at least he was still in touch with reality. ...
Matt Drudge has completely lost whatever marbles he had rattling around in his head over the past couple months. He's always been a right-winger but at least he was still in touch with reality. fivethirtyeight's Nate has been calling out every outlier poll he's been cites and Gawker has been ripping ol pork pie hat wearing Matt a new hole almost daily.

I find myself only contributing to threads like these on those occasions when I draw a complete blank and wikipedia is no help. Sure, I know about McCarthyism and the Red Scare and so on, but what, exactly, does the average US citizen have against socialism? I mean, as much as I dislike their tendency to boss people around for the Common Good and Improvement of Mankind, even I have to admit socialism works after a fashion - which at the moment is more than you can say for that sorry excuse for neo-laissez-faire feudalism they've had going. Please confirm my faith in mankind by telling me that it's not as as simple as hundreds of millions of moderately intelligent people not bothering to discover the distinction between socialism and communist-style fascism?]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97896#Comment_978962008-11-03T21:52:14-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00doclivingstonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2318
Sorry to disappoint, it's almost entirely about ignorant people choosing to keep alive the same tired outdated ideologies they were handed growing up, meaning they're literally working from a ...
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97900#Comment_979002008-11-03T21:56:43-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00rickiep00hhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2930
@Nygaard
The main thrust of it has to do with someone taking a little piece of "what's mine" and giving it to someone else that "didn't earn it", even if I, myself, didn't ...
The main thrust of it has to do with someone taking a little piece of "what's mine" and giving it to someone else that "didn't earn it", even if I, myself, didn't "earn" it, either. For some reason empathy is a trait most well-to-do people in this country don't really possess. I think it has nothing to do with fascism. I'm pretty sure most of the people that decry socialism would be perfectly fine with aristocratic fascism, so long as they're on the right side of control. Socialism implies quality that capitalism and fascism don't (and can't) have. "We're all the same" is a lot scarier than "I'm better than you."

Or at least, that's how I see the reasoning. Maybe I'm wrong.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97911#Comment_979112008-11-03T22:10:31-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
"what, exactly, does the average US citizen have against socialism?"
They've been told since birth that it equates to Stalinism.
They've been told since birth that it equates to Stalinism.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97920#Comment_979202008-11-03T22:18:27-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00rickiep00hhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2930
Furthermore, I don't think they have a problem with "socialism" the idea, they have a problem with "socialism" the word. Besides, their good Christian Bibles say to love thy ...
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97921#Comment_979212008-11-03T22:19:25-06:002008-11-03T22:20:47-06:00rough nighthttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2694
Nygaard - I think it has a lot to do with the lack of proper economics education in American public schools. Lots of folks think socialism is definitionally interchangeable with communism, and that ...
edit: Oh, hey, a couple of my points were made while I typed. Still, repetition never hurt anybody.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97927#Comment_979272008-11-03T22:30:57-06:002008-11-03T22:31:23-06:00Val A Lindsay IIhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1680
@Nygaard
Sure, I know about McCarthyism and the Red Scare and so on, but what, exactly, does the average US citizen have against socialism?
It's not socialism per se, it's an idea backed up by ...
Sure, I know about McCarthyism and the Red Scare and so on, but what, exactly, does the average US citizen have against socialism?

It's not socialism per se, it's an idea backed up by the term 'socialist', a nice scary word. The police and fire dept, the US Mail, all are social services. People don't believe them to be 'socialist' because the politician isn't suggesting it to them. At least not yet.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97928#Comment_979282008-11-03T23:28:48-06:002008-11-03T23:34:11-06:00mlpetershttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2922
@Nygaard
Any attempts at socialism are attacked on three fronts - -from the hard-line anti-communist types, who secretly miss the cold war... from libertarian minded folks who see it as an attack on ...
Any attempts at socialism are attacked on three fronts - -from the hard-line anti-communist types, who secretly miss the cold war... from libertarian minded folks who see it as an attack on autonomy and from the rich who know they can't maintain that "neo-laissez-faire feudalism" (great term by the way - -I may have to steal it) that has made them top of the heap. There's also a weird strain among some Americans that they only want to help them whom they feel deserve helping... but actually needing help instantly means they don't deserve it.

Edited to add rickiep00h hit the nail on the head -- greed and a lack of empathy - -weird thing is even if a person only has a little money, they're easily convinced any "redistribution of wealth" will mean money taken from them, even if they would most likely be on the receiving end... This lack of empathy isn't only a trait of the rich, but many who aspire to be rich.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97937#Comment_979372008-11-04T00:32:47-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00LokiZerohttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=368
I'm currently waiting for the backlash on my family's Facebook thread for outing myself as a pro choice atheist. The shit my wife's grandfather gets away with saying, but when I speak my mind we get ...
That's my way of saying I can't wait for this election to be over... and my wife's family are a bunch of crazy Catholics.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97961#Comment_979612008-11-04T04:46:25-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00Nygaardhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=431
There's a strand I can pick at I guess. An inverted solidarity of the American dream? Where it's better to have maybe ten birds on the roof than one in your hand today. Maybe the secret hope deep ...
could be rich one day makes one protective of one's potential future fortune.]]>
The US Election Thread: One Week Outhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=4005&Focus=97963#Comment_979632008-11-04T04:54:19-06:002015-08-02T17:41:43-05:00warrenellishttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2
Aaaaaand closed.