Ramsey Yap

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Everyone likes Ramsey,
They say he's no mousey.
His play has been horsey,
But everyone wants his jersey.
I'm not ready for an odyssey,
Nor I'm I ready for a whimsey.
The Redskins need to be mosey,
But it ain't gonna happen with Ramsey
I say give him a kersey,
And be on the bench all cosey.

When it comes to QBs Redskins fans are the most fickle in football. It makes me sick to my stomach.

How many QBs have we run out of DC?

Ridiculous.

I don't have the SLIGHTEST clue what you are talking about. The only one I recall being "RUN OUT OF TOWN" was Heath Shuler, and he needed to be. Trent Green and Stan Humphries were both very popular with the fans - they were certainly not run out. Fans at the time were not pleased that management LET THEM GET AWAY. Maybe you mean Norman Snead???? He was sort of run out, but that was ancient history, and we DID get a pretty decent guy in exchange - Sonny.

Maybe you mean Jay Schroeder??? I don't think he was "RUN OUT", but he should have been. Boy, his career was terrific after he left here. Washington fans are pretty sharp in assessing their QB's. Maybe you should not ignore them. You certainly should not ridicule them with absolutely no basis.

As far as Redskin fans, I agree with Joe Gibbs. They are the best and sharpest in the NFL.

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Diesel, I just noticed in another thread that you seem to think Brad Johnson was "RUN OUT OF TOWN" by the fans. Unless this is a BizzaroWorld, that is not even close. I did not even mention him in the last post because I could not imagine anyone would put him in that category. That move - getting rid to Brad to make George the starting QB - was one of the most UNPOPULAR moves with the fans that I have ever seen. Don't try to paint the FANS as stupid because of a bad, unpopular move that Snyder made.

Again, REDSKIN fans are not a bunch of idiots that you make them out to be. They are ELITE fans in the NFL, recognized as such across the country.

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i kinda agree with diesel. while qbs were not run out of town, redskins fans expect to have a probowl caliber quarterback every year.
every year, the backup was always considered the savior. hell i remember people saying the skins could rebuild around cary conklin.

redskins fans dont give the Starting QB a chance to learn the system. if a qb has a subpar year, we think they cant every play in the system and we cry for a new QB.look a few threads down, you can see some fans are calling for hasselbeck, you got to be F'in kidding me. brunell is still a great Qb, but he is in a new system. ramsey has the potential to be a great QB, but he is in a new system.

we need more patience. QB is a tough position to play. theisman and rypien struggled there first years in joe gibbs offence.

jamf, why do you feel the fans expect a PRO BOWL QB? I sure don't. All I have done is point out some basic, fundamental, serious flaws that Ramsey has had since the day he arrived, and has made absolutely no progress on. This has nothing to do with learning a new system. Even Brunell said yesterday, the weak QB play has nothing to do with learning the new system.

And as far as expectations, I am satisfied that Brunell can do an adequate job this season. I have not called for TH to be installed as the starter. I said he should be #2 behind Brunell at this point, with the total lack of any sign of development in 25 months with Ramsey. Now, if you asked me who should start THIS week if Brunell can't go, I would say go with Ramsey THIS week. WHY?? Because TH has had virtually no time with the #1 offense yet. If he is installed as #2 the next couple weeks, he will get "some" practice time and preparation with them.

We don't need a PRO BOWL QB, especially in a Gibbs offense. But you need a guy than can make good decisions, and NOT take too long to make them. I hope Ramsey tears it up this Monday night (we're almost certain to see more DOWNFIELD attacks than with Brunell), but I really think we will see a high number of sacks again with him in there - our line will again get the blame for his issues. It was amazing how a raw rookie came in last year after the Redskins were breaking all records for getting sacked, and suddenly there were hardly any more sacks. Think about it...

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I won't place all the blame on the offensive line for the sacks on Ramsey last year.

Without a doubt some of them were Ramsey's fault, some of them were due to the line and some were due to the flaws in the system.

As far as the reduction in sacks once TH came in, I think a lot of that was due to the scaled down offense he was running. He wasn't required to take the deep 7 step drops that Ramsey was. Spurrier changed things up a bit for TH, because of his inexperience and because of his lack of arm strength.

I don't think it's as simple as saying the change in QB made all the difference in the reduction of sacks.

As for last week, Brunell was getting harrassed just as much as Ramsey was when he came in.

Matty, I know I was not on this site last year, but I was commenting to folks about the slow decision-making and slow release of Ramsey during the season. And regardless of how many 3/5/7-step drops TH was taking, the line very suddenly "looked" better with him in there. And he WAS throwing some deep passes. If you recall, it was not just the 7-step drops or deep pass plays that were a problem when Ramsey was in. But I will agree it was not ALL Ramsey's fault. There WAS some troublesome line play, but it was exacerbated by Ramsey's issues. Bottom line, if I said that was the entire reason, I sure did not mean to. But it was a huge factor, to me.

As far as your comparison of Brunell/Ramsey sacks. Brunell was not sacked one time in week one (and that same TB defense had 4 sacks against a good Seattle team last weekend). In the Giants game, Brunell was in for about 34 minutes of the game - 39 plays - and was sacked for his first time this year. Ramsey was in for 26 minutes (34 plays), and was sacked 3 times. Reminiscent of last season, I am afraid. The coaches last year and this have deflected a lot of the criticism away from their young project QB, and I am glad they have. But they are seeing the same things we are. Ramsey really needs to step up and at least BEGIN correcting his problems if he is going to have a real shot. As I have said before, I would love to see it, but believe it is an extremely longshot deal.

__________________ John Shaffer
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there is a fine line between a QB having courage and staying in the pocket to make the tough throw and a guy that holds on to the ball too long.

ramseys throwing motion and release speed is fine. since it looks fine to me and since i havent heard any so called experts complain about it, it probably is fine.

brunell is not going to make excuses. hey, ultimately, they stunk(ramsey, brunell, coles, gardner and portis). no reason to make excuses.

the fans DO expect a probowl caliber QB, even if the guy is a bum, we expect him to play like brett favre. thats what we thought we got with brunell. since joe gibbs last left, the fans have always called for a new QB to start rather than the current starter.

at some point you have to give a guy the opporunity to grow into the system. ramsey is a rookie, this is his first year in a pro style offence. brunell is almost guaranteed to be gone in 2 years. so if we cant win a superbowl now with brunell, we have to go with the young guy.

if we had a young(2nd or 3rd year) brett favre, you would still be calling for hasselbeck. it may not be fun for fans, but at somepoint we are going to have to go through Qb growing pains.

now to hasselbeck. i honestly like the guy. i definately sparked the skins last year. he seems like he's undercontrol in the game. but all this talk about TH is annoying. He will never be a great QB. this stuff reminds me of the gus frerotte talk all over again. but atleast gus had a good arm. TH has a noodle for an arm.

the sacks: TH did get sacked less last year. mostly because of the scaled down playbook. spurrier was actually leaving the FB and RB in the backfield to block. also, he brought in bugel to help with the line.

How many QBs have been "run out of town" in DC who amounted to much of anything after they left?

Answer is not a whole hell of a lot!

Stan Humphries had a couple of nice seasons in San Diego.

Brad Johnson won a Super Bowl with Tampa but it was certainly not because he carried the them to the title.

Trent Green has done well with KC, but he was hardly run out of DC by the fans/media.

So who are all of these marvelous diamonds in the rough that have been in Washington as a QB who went on to great levels of glory somewhere else after the fans and media here made life miserable for them?

Jeff George

Heath Shuler

Gus Frerotte

Gibran Hamdan

Tony Banks

Mark Rypien

Doug Williams

Norm Snead

Babe Laufenberg

Ralph Gugilelmi

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