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Well Philip, over 4 years ago we did what the Government, MI5 and all its experts didn't seem capable of: we read what their plans. So you don't have to go to any dodgy Islamic websites, you can safely read them from here :-)

I have not read them but I would imagine that the publications, glossy magazines, that Al Qaida and ISIS publish give a true version of Islam and contain correct islamic text quotes, mixed with articles about how best to commit mass-murder. Inspire and Dabiq must be widely read in the Muslim world.

If the "moderate” Muslims were honest they would reject and renounce Islam.

Where are you going to find a truly honest Muslim. Anjem Choudary has been locked up.

This is what Ahmadinejad, ex leader of Iran said, "In Iran we don't have homosexuals like in your country," (because if found they are murdered).

He, (Ahmadinejad) also said, 'that the Islamic republic wanted peace and security in line with the teachings of God'.

That'll be the Islamic God Allah, and no one ever questions what it is peace and security will look like under Allah.

Muslims know what it looks like, but 1.5 billion Muslims, give or take a few hundred, refuse to disobey the teachings of islam because that would make them fodder for the fanatics, who are continually circling them like sheep dogs, keeping the main pack of Muslims under control.

Not that it matters, Islam will be the default religion in two generations simply based on the demographic shift going on at the moment, so Muslims can ignore the debate for a few more years, until there is no one left to debate with, no one left to counter the 'Truth of Islam', No one who wants to stay alive that is.

If the "moderate” Muslims were honest they would reject and renounce Islam.

Exactly Philip

And I notice that when ever these so-called moderate Muslims defend Islam they never quote their scriptures. They only make assertions and deceitful claims about Islam as if everyone is ignorant of their religion.

Abu Dawud (4462) - The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, "Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Loot, execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done." (This is a sahih hadith)

There are several lesser hadith stating, "if a man comes upon a man, then they are both adulterers," "If a woman comes upon a woman, they are both Adulteresses," "When a man mounts another man, the throne of God shakes," and "Kill the one that is doing it and also kill the one that it is being done to." (Abu Dawud 4462 and al-Tirmidhi 1456)

Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”

Quran (9:123) – “O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.”

Bukhari (52:220) – Allah’s Apostle said… ‘I have been made victorious with terror’

Muslim (1:33) – the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.

Qur'an (5:51)- "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

Know a man by his deeds. It does not matter what Muslims say it is what they do that counts. And that applies to Christians and Buddhists and any other type of human being. People can be homosexual and that is their business and we are allowed to have an opinion about it, like or dislike or be neutral. What we are not allowed to do is beat up, imprison or kill homosexuals.

As far as I can see Muslims are saying that all sorts of people that they disapprove of must die, do not deserve to exist, and most importantly they are actually killing these people in large numbers.

I listen to the Muslims that say that there is clear justification for killing undesirables, and note the islamic texts that they quote. It does not matter what any "moderate” has to say and excuse these texts, I agree with the Muslim activists that say that these texts allow them to kill, and in my opinion they are the only Muslims that are honest.

If the "moderate” Muslims were honest they would reject and renounce Islam.

Actually what Muslims do in their own countries is their business, what they do in my country is very much my business, and as you are well aware I would remove this problem permanently from our shores.

“Our religion doesn’t promote hatred or homophobia. Yes, there might be theological topics dealing with homosexuality in Islam, but that’s clearly very separate from promoting hatred and homophobia,” said Mr Farsi.

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