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The owners are insane

They want a 57% cut to 43%. Mind boggling. Not to mention making the UFA 31 when players are old and many are close to retirement. Basically, they want to spit in the players faces and expect them to take it. I love how Bettman tries to make it seem like the players aren't being reasonable. Get a clue Gary. It won't work this time. The owners greed is absurd. People actually are supporting the players and don't buy into the crap you are spewing.

Yes, the first proposal calls for 57/43 but thats what it is, a first proposal in negotiation and not all owners are on the same page. I understand how people can get frustrated during this process but its not like selling a car, especially when you're talking about the kind of money that's on the line here. The NHL is a business and this is how these things go, take you fan hat off for a second and try to understand the other side of this thing. If you can.

They want a 57% cut to 43%. Mind boggling. Not to mention making the UFA 31 when players are old and many are close to retirement. Basically, they want to spit in the players faces and expect them to take it. I love how Bettman tries to make it seem like the players aren't being reasonable. Get a clue Gary. It won't work this time. The owners greed is absurd. People actually are supporting the players and don't buy into the crap you are spewing.

It always amazes me how self absorbed these owners are with their ****ing money.

players play because they love the game(or should anyway) the money is just a HUGE added bonus

It always amazes me how self absorbed these owners are with their ****ing money.

players play because they love the game(or should anyway) the money is just a HUGE added bonus

Explain to me how not wanting to lose money every year which is something that, according to forbes and other financial evaluators, up to 18 teams do every year is being greedy. And don't pretend like the players only play because they love the game because that's horseshit. While there are plenty of players who realize how lucky they are to do what they do there are also a lot of players who treat it as simply a job like everyone else does. If they didn't care about the money then the issue of a lockout wouldn't be a problem. I'm not saying it's all on the players but Mr. Fehr is probably the reason we won't have hockey this season because he still thinks he's dealing with MLB salaries and he's not. Financially speaking the owners are in the right here and unfortunately most players don't understand what it costs to own and operate a sports franchise because all they have to do is play hockey.

Usually I agree with that but since hockey players end up without half their teeth not to mention multiple scars, I would say they should get more than that. Any owner of a business only makes money because of the product. If your product has the crap beaten out of it for 10 to 15 years, I think the owners can take the less.

Explain to me how not wanting to lose money every year which is something that, according to forbes and other financial evaluators, up to 18 teams do every year is being greedy. And don't pretend like the players only play because they love the game because that's horseshit. While there are plenty of players who realize how lucky they are to do what they do there are also a lot of players who treat it as simply a job like everyone else does. If they didn't care about the money then the issue of a lockout wouldn't be a problem. I'm not saying it's all on the players but Mr. Fehr is probably the reason we won't have hockey this season because he still thinks he's dealing with MLB salaries and he's not. Financially speaking the owners are in the right here and unfortunately most players don't understand what it costs to own and operate a sports franchise because all they have to do is play hockey.

you saw the "or they should anyway" right? I know it a job but I think the players enjoy their job right?

Usually I agree with that but since hockey players end up without half their teeth not to mention multiple scars, I would say they should get more than that. Any owner of a business only makes money because of the product. If your product has the crap beaten out of it for 10 to 15 years, I think the owners can take the less.

They're all making too much money which in turn drives ticket prices, parking, concessions, cable bills etc etc up and slams the door in the face of the people that appreciate the game, the middle class. Watching a game with a bunch of suits is frustrating, and half the time they don't even show up and the rink is empty. The problem starts and ends with greed. I am not taking any sides on this but I wish they'd get it figured out for the people that rely on the jobs at the arena's and businesses surrounding them get back to work. Shutting the season down so a bunch of millionaires can bicker over who gets what is shameful when there's people at the bottom trying to feed their families being shut out of their job, I could care less about the players or the owners. Even a low paying NHL salary is about 15 years work for the average Joe working in most of those arena's. The league and it's players should have had this deal done in July at which time it should have went to an arbitrator if not.

If so many teams are having financial trouble, then why do the owners continue to offer obscene contracts to players. Can't blame anyone but the owners here, as even mid-level role players are getting huge offers. Forget about what the star guys are getting...

Now they are trying to fix the mess they got into. Shame, as we are likely all going to suffer...