This has ruined my day. No, seriously, it would be nice to see another Halloween movie but clearly the makers are struggling to find a way forward after the Rob Zombie movies and have hit on the 3D gimmick in desperation. The days of Jamie Lee Curtis and Donald Pleasence in John Carpenter-level thrills and spills are long gone sadly, all we get now are anonymous pretty teens who can't act screaming and being slaughtered in flicks by hack directors.

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ORIGINAL: BenTramer

This has ruined my day. No, seriously, it would be nice to see another Halloween movie but clearly the makers are struggling to find a way forward after the Rob Zombie movies and have hit on the 3D gimmick in desperation. The days of Jamie Lee Curtis and Donald Pleasence in John Carpenter-level thrills and spills are long gone sadly, all we get now are anonymous pretty teens who can't act screaming and being slaughtered in flicks by hack directors.

Has anyone gone back and actually watched the original Halloween?! I love it; but to say that its something more than "anonymous pretty teens who can't act screaming and being slaughtered" is to look at the film through rose tinted glasses. It really isn't all that. Yes the Rob Zombie films were utter shite...but to be fair so were all of the others.

If the original Halloween was to come out today I think it would get a panning. It was great for its time but by todays standards it really isn't anything other than a blue print for a string of quite awful films (although for some reason I have a strange soft spot for H20).

Let the abuse begin...

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I just wish stuff like, I don't know, the slow & systemic CRATERING of this country could inspire the same call-to-arms as Batman casting

This has ruined my day. No, seriously, it would be nice to see another Halloween movie but clearly the makers are struggling to find a way forward after the Rob Zombie movies and have hit on the 3D gimmick in desperation. The days of Jamie Lee Curtis and Donald Pleasence in John Carpenter-level thrills and spills are long gone sadly, all we get now are anonymous pretty teens who can't act screaming and being slaughtered in flicks by hack directors.

Has anyone gone back and actually watched the original Halloween?! I love it; but to say that its something more than "anonymous pretty teens who can't act screaming and being slaughtered" is to look at the film through rose tinted glasses. It really isn't all that. Yes the Rob Zombie films were utter shite...but to be fair so were all of the others.

If the original Halloween was to come out today I think it would get a panning. It was great for its time but by todays standards it really isn't anything other than a blue print for a string of quite awful films (although for some reason I have a strange soft spot for H20).

Let the abuse begin...

I think this may be better suited to being posted on the My Unpopular Opinion thread because trust this would be unpopular!

Halloween is a great movie. And the reason that so many poor imitations popped up was because noone could replicate what John Carpenter did on such a tight schedule for next to no money. Halloween would most definately NOT get panned today if released. It is still far superior to any of the gore-porn/paranormal activity/stalk'n'slash/bay production horror movies released nowadays

FACT.

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This has ruined my day. No, seriously, it would be nice to see another Halloween movie but clearly the makers are struggling to find a way forward after the Rob Zombie movies and have hit on the 3D gimmick in desperation. The days of Jamie Lee Curtis and Donald Pleasence in John Carpenter-level thrills and spills are long gone sadly, all we get now are anonymous pretty teens who can't act screaming and being slaughtered in flicks by hack directors.

Has anyone gone back and actually watched the original Halloween?! I love it; but to say that its something more than "anonymous pretty teens who can't act screaming and being slaughtered" is to look at the film through rose tinted glasses. It really isn't all that. Yes the Rob Zombie films were utter shite...but to be fair so were all of the others.

If the original Halloween was to come out today I think it would get a panning. It was great for its time but by todays standards it really isn't anything other than a blue print for a string of quite awful films (although for some reason I have a strange soft spot for H20).

Let the abuse begin...

I think this may be better suited to being posted on the My Unpopular Opinion thread because trust this would be unpopular!

Halloween is a great movie. And the reason that so many poor imitations popped up was because noone could replicate what John Carpenter did on such a tight schedule for next to no money. Halloween would most definately NOT get panned today if released. It is still far superior to any of the gore-porn/paranormal activity/stalk'n'slash/bay production horror movies released nowadays

FACT.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the original Halloween series envisioned to be about a different "bogey man" each film (hence the halloween 3 storyline). Something like that would be a good idea to resurrect, provided a good story came along.

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ORIGINAL: BenTramer

This has ruined my day. No, seriously, it would be nice to see another Halloween movie but clearly the makers are struggling to find a way forward after the Rob Zombie movies and have hit on the 3D gimmick in desperation. The days of Jamie Lee Curtis and Donald Pleasence in John Carpenter-level thrills and spills are long gone sadly, all we get now are anonymous pretty teens who can't act screaming and being slaughtered in flicks by hack directors.

Has anyone gone back and actually watched the original Halloween?! I love it; but to say that its something more than "anonymous pretty teens who can't act screaming and being slaughtered" is to look at the film through rose tinted glasses. It really isn't all that. Yes the Rob Zombie films were utter shite...but to be fair so were all of the others.

If the original Halloween was to come out today I think it would get a panning. It was great for its time but by todays standards it really isn't anything other than a blue print for a string of quite awful films (although for some reason I have a strange soft spot for H20).

Let the abuse begin...

I think this may be better suited to being posted on the My Unpopular Opinion thread because trust this would be unpopular!

Halloween is a great movie. And the reason that so many poor imitations popped up was because noone could replicate what John Carpenter did on such a tight schedule for next to no money. Halloween would most definately NOT get panned today if released. It is still far superior to any of the gore-porn/paranormal activity/stalk'n'slash/bay production horror movies released nowadays

FACT.

Biggest bug bear in the world is people who put 'Fact' next to an opinion. Actually makes me want to pull my eyes out and throw them against the wall...!! (that's a fact by the way)

I do to a certain level agree with you; Halloween is far superior to a lot of the slasher-esq pictures that have come out in recent years - mainly due to the idea that most of them have been torrential down pours of shit - but like I said I do love the original Halloween movie...but in the same way I like my knackered old dressing gown that I've had for twenty years but refuse to throw away. Its falling apart, looks fucking terrible, it smells and barely does the job and their are better dressing gowns out there - I just find it comfortable because it was the first one I had...that make sense?!

I can appreciate that a lot of films that have come out today, especially in the horror genre owe a lot to Halloween but ultimately to dismiss future slasher films as just "anonymous pretty teens who can't act screaming and being slaughtered in flicks" when that is what Halloween actually simply is as well seems a bit strange to me. Halloween is a great movie, but it ain't Shakespear; it is just a slasher film - nothing more or less...

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I just wish stuff like, I don't know, the slow & systemic CRATERING of this country could inspire the same call-to-arms as Batman casting

Thank god we don't have to endure another Halloween, especially one in 3D. It was bad enough that Rob Zombie took the franchise and totally cut its throat, ruining a film that is regarded as one of the best horrors to date. This re-booted/remade franchise has no legs in the modern era, if teens want horror go watch the original!

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Thank god we don't have to endure another Halloween, especially one in 3D. It was bad enough that Rob Zombie took the franchise and totally cut its throat, ruining a film that is regarded as one of the best horrors to date. This re-booted/remade franchise has no legs in the modern era, if teens want horror go watch the original!

My teenage brothers have seen the original and think its shit compared to the more modern ones. Film audiences have moved on since the original; think its time we accept that. The original, as much as I love it (like I've said above), just doesn’t stand up against what the average cinema going audience wants these days…!!

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I just wish stuff like, I don't know, the slow & systemic CRATERING of this country could inspire the same call-to-arms as Batman casting

This has ruined my day. No, seriously, it would be nice to see another Halloween movie but clearly the makers are struggling to find a way forward after the Rob Zombie movies and have hit on the 3D gimmick in desperation. The days of Jamie Lee Curtis and Donald Pleasence in John Carpenter-level thrills and spills are long gone sadly, all we get now are anonymous pretty teens who can't act screaming and being slaughtered in flicks by hack directors.

Has anyone gone back and actually watched the original Halloween?! I love it; but to say that its something more than "anonymous pretty teens who can't act screaming and being slaughtered" is to look at the film through rose tinted glasses. It really isn't all that. Yes the Rob Zombie films were utter shite...but to be fair so were all of the others.

If the original Halloween was to come out today I think it would get a panning. It was great for its time but by todays standards it really isn't anything other than a blue print for a string of quite awful films (although for some reason I have a strange soft spot for H20).

Let the abuse begin...

WTF........

Halloween is a masterpiece of horror and is still finding love with a new generation to this day!

The trouble with the franchise is that the producers have fucked it up both ends. Halloween Resurection was damn awful and that killed the long running story because it never recovered after Laurie swung the axe and Myers said goodbye to his head.

I can understand the appeal of that scene but it makes no sense because from that moment the timeline ended and surely someone with a bit of sense should have said "but if we end H20 like this then Myers is dead for good!"...

Now after they realised this they decided to go down the re-make route and of course H2 was such a finanial disaster and critically mauled, the franchise as nowhere to go now....

I hear that there was a script for H3 and those who have read it said it is simply brilliant and guess what???? It does not include Myers........bonkers I know and it was set in a Mental Hospital with Laurie Strode going a bit crazy. But the studios were worried after the flop of the original third film in the 80's that followed the same path.

I loved Stevan Mena's idea......He wanted a Halloween film that followed on from the moment Loomis shot Myers and he fell from the balcony. It was like a new sequel to the original and with a different timeline.

The studio though went in a different direction. Anyone who has seen Mena's horror film MaleVolence and BeraVement will tell you that there is a guy who could save the Haddonfield franchise

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ORIGINAL: BenTramer

This has ruined my day. No, seriously, it would be nice to see another Halloween movie but clearly the makers are struggling to find a way forward after the Rob Zombie movies and have hit on the 3D gimmick in desperation. The days of Jamie Lee Curtis and Donald Pleasence in John Carpenter-level thrills and spills are long gone sadly, all we get now are anonymous pretty teens who can't act screaming and being slaughtered in flicks by hack directors.

Has anyone gone back and actually watched the original Halloween?! I love it; but to say that its something more than "anonymous pretty teens who can't act screaming and being slaughtered" is to look at the film through rose tinted glasses. It really isn't all that. Yes the Rob Zombie films were utter shite...but to be fair so were all of the others.

If the original Halloween was to come out today I think it would get a panning. It was great for its time but by todays standards it really isn't anything other than a blue print for a string of quite awful films (although for some reason I have a strange soft spot for H20).

Let the abuse begin...

WTF........

Halloween is a masterpiece of horror and is still finding love with a new generation to this day!

The trouble with the franchise is that the producers have fucked it up both ends. Halloween Resurection was damn awful and that killed the long running story because it never recovered after Laurie swung the axe and Myers said goodbye to his head.

I can understand the appeal of that scene but it makes no sense because from that moment the timeline ended and surely someone with a bit of sense should have said "but if we end H20 like this then Myers is dead for good!"...

Now after they realised this they decided to go down the re-make route and of course H2 was such a finanial disaster and critically mauled, the franchise as nowhere to go now....

I hear that there was a script for H3 and those who have read it said it is simply brilliant and guess what???? It does not include Myers........bonkers I know and it was set in a Mental Hospital with Laurie Strode going a bit crazy. But the studios were worried after the flop of the original third film in the 80's that followed the same path.

I loved Stevan Mena's idea......He wanted a Halloween film that followed on from the moment Loomis shot Myers and he fell from the balcony. It was like a new sequel to the original and with a different timeline.

The studio though went in a different direction. Anyone who has seen Mena's horror film MaleVolence and BeraVement will tell you that there is a guy who could save the Haddonfield franchise

I didn't say it wasn't??!! Your missing my point - I said for its time it was brilliant BUT it was ultimately just a slasher film with pretty teenagers who can't act running around getting killed?? I fail to see how it was anything but this...

Also where is and how is it getting a new generation of audience??

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I just wish stuff like, I don't know, the slow & systemic CRATERING of this country could inspire the same call-to-arms as Batman casting

This has ruined my day. No, seriously, it would be nice to see another Halloween movie but clearly the makers are struggling to find a way forward after the Rob Zombie movies and have hit on the 3D gimmick in desperation. The days of Jamie Lee Curtis and Donald Pleasence in John Carpenter-level thrills and spills are long gone sadly, all we get now are anonymous pretty teens who can't act screaming and being slaughtered in flicks by hack directors.

Has anyone gone back and actually watched the original Halloween?! I love it; but to say that its something more than "anonymous pretty teens who can't act screaming and being slaughtered" is to look at the film through rose tinted glasses. It really isn't all that. Yes the Rob Zombie films were utter shite...but to be fair so were all of the others.

If the original Halloween was to come out today I think it would get a panning. It was great for its time but by todays standards it really isn't anything other than a blue print for a string of quite awful films (although for some reason I have a strange soft spot for H20).

Let the abuse begin...

I think this may be better suited to being posted on the My Unpopular Opinion thread because trust this would be unpopular!

Halloween is a great movie. And the reason that so many poor imitations popped up was because noone could replicate what John Carpenter did on such a tight schedule for next to no money. Halloween would most definately NOT get panned today if released. It is still far superior to any of the gore-porn/paranormal activity/stalk'n'slash/bay production horror movies released nowadays

FACT.

I'm not a huge fan of the original, and I did post that in Unpopular Opinions. Didn't go down so well...

This has ruined my day. No, seriously, it would be nice to see another Halloween movie but clearly the makers are struggling to find a way forward after the Rob Zombie movies and have hit on the 3D gimmick in desperation. The days of Jamie Lee Curtis and Donald Pleasence in John Carpenter-level thrills and spills are long gone sadly, all we get now are anonymous pretty teens who can't act screaming and being slaughtered in flicks by hack directors.

Has anyone gone back and actually watched the original Halloween?! I love it; but to say that its something more than "anonymous pretty teens who can't act screaming and being slaughtered" is to look at the film through rose tinted glasses. It really isn't all that. Yes the Rob Zombie films were utter shite...but to be fair so were all of the others.

If the original Halloween was to come out today I think it would get a panning. It was great for its time but by todays standards it really isn't anything other than a blue print for a string of quite awful films (although for some reason I have a strange soft spot for H20).

Let the abuse begin...

WTF........

Halloween is a masterpiece of horror and is still finding love with a new generation to this day!

The trouble with the franchise is that the producers have fucked it up both ends. Halloween Resurection was damn awful and that killed the long running story because it never recovered after Laurie swung the axe and Myers said goodbye to his head.

I can understand the appeal of that scene but it makes no sense because from that moment the timeline ended and surely someone with a bit of sense should have said "but if we end H20 like this then Myers is dead for good!"...

Now after they realised this they decided to go down the re-make route and of course H2 was such a finanial disaster and critically mauled, the franchise as nowhere to go now....

I hear that there was a script for H3 and those who have read it said it is simply brilliant and guess what???? It does not include Myers........bonkers I know and it was set in a Mental Hospital with Laurie Strode going a bit crazy. But the studios were worried after the flop of the original third film in the 80's that followed the same path.

I loved Stevan Mena's idea......He wanted a Halloween film that followed on from the moment Loomis shot Myers and he fell from the balcony. It was like a new sequel to the original and with a different timeline.

The studio though went in a different direction. Anyone who has seen Mena's horror film MaleVolence and BeraVement will tell you that there is a guy who could save the Haddonfield franchise

I didn't say it wasn't??!! Your missing my point - I said for its time it was brilliant BUT it was ultimately just a slasher film with pretty teenagers who can't act running around getting killed?? I fail to see how it was anything but this...

Also where is and how is it getting a new generation of audience??

Ok I apologise for reading your view wrong.........and I am glad you believe it is a masterpiece of horror and while in your words "its ultimately just a slasher film", it is the ultimate SLASH FIlM...." a film that for many created a genre that carried on brilliantly with the likes of Friday 13th and Co.....

Its all too easy to mock what it is because without it the horror genre would be different to what we know.....

As for finding a new audience.....endless new DVD releases have kept in the public domain.....the re-makes also helped the original to be checked out....even on this Forum.....it was voted only last year the best horror film of all time....and with the horror website I help run, any news of a possible new film results in endless emails that we can not keep up with!

So the fan base is still there...old and new.......that is why the studio still keeps on milking the franchise to death!

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ORIGINAL: BenTramer

This has ruined my day. No, seriously, it would be nice to see another Halloween movie but clearly the makers are struggling to find a way forward after the Rob Zombie movies and have hit on the 3D gimmick in desperation. The days of Jamie Lee Curtis and Donald Pleasence in John Carpenter-level thrills and spills are long gone sadly, all we get now are anonymous pretty teens who can't act screaming and being slaughtered in flicks by hack directors.

Has anyone gone back and actually watched the original Halloween?! I love it; but to say that its something more than "anonymous pretty teens who can't act screaming and being slaughtered" is to look at the film through rose tinted glasses. It really isn't all that. Yes the Rob Zombie films were utter shite...but to be fair so were all of the others.

If the original Halloween was to come out today I think it would get a panning. It was great for its time but by todays standards it really isn't anything other than a blue print for a string of quite awful films (although for some reason I have a strange soft spot for H20).

Let the abuse begin...

WTF........

Halloween is a masterpiece of horror and is still finding love with a new generation to this day!

The trouble with the franchise is that the producers have fucked it up both ends. Halloween Resurection was damn awful and that killed the long running story because it never recovered after Laurie swung the axe and Myers said goodbye to his head.

I can understand the appeal of that scene but it makes no sense because from that moment the timeline ended and surely someone with a bit of sense should have said "but if we end H20 like this then Myers is dead for good!"...

Now after they realised this they decided to go down the re-make route and of course H2 was such a finanial disaster and critically mauled, the franchise as nowhere to go now....

I hear that there was a script for H3 and those who have read it said it is simply brilliant and guess what???? It does not include Myers........bonkers I know and it was set in a Mental Hospital with Laurie Strode going a bit crazy. But the studios were worried after the flop of the original third film in the 80's that followed the same path.

I loved Stevan Mena's idea......He wanted a Halloween film that followed on from the moment Loomis shot Myers and he fell from the balcony. It was like a new sequel to the original and with a different timeline.

The studio though went in a different direction. Anyone who has seen Mena's horror film MaleVolence and BeraVement will tell you that there is a guy who could save the Haddonfield franchise

I didn't say it wasn't??!! Your missing my point - I said for its time it was brilliant BUT it was ultimately just a slasher film with pretty teenagers who can't act running around getting killed?? I fail to see how it was anything but this...

Also where is and how is it getting a new generation of audience??

Ok I apologise for reading your view wrong.........and I am glad you believe it is a masterpiece of horror and while in your words "its ultimately just a slasher film", it is the ultimate SLASH FIlM...." a film that for many created a genre that carried on brilliantly with the likes of Friday 13th and Co.....

Its all too easy to mock what it is because without it the horror genre would be different to what we know.....

As for finding a new audience.....endless new DVD releases have kept in the public domain.....the re-makes also helped the original to be checked out....even on this Forum.....it was voted only last year the best horror film of all time....and with the horror website I help run, any news of a possible new film results in endless emails that we can not keep up with!

So the fan base is still there...old and new.......that is why the studio still keeps on milking the franchise to death!

You see I think the greatest horror film ever made is the original Night of the Living Dead as not only was it at its most simple level a gory horror film; it was actually clever and had a morality tale to it as well. It was smarter than the likes of Friday 13th/Halloween et al. But that is for another forum altogether

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I just wish stuff like, I don't know, the slow & systemic CRATERING of this country could inspire the same call-to-arms as Batman casting

A psycho wearing a whiute mask goes around and butchers people, with a little tension thrown in. That's it! That's all we want to see! Why does dimension try so bloody hard to come up with a story line that's NOT Halloween! Even I can think of billions of alternate routes, billions of sequels, and yet they can't seem to think of any! Seriously, perhaps they should just bring back zombie to further ruin his movies so that they can open their eyes and bring in someone new STAT.

Find it hard to go foward after that rubbish? Honestly, I can think of many different routes to take, for example: The visions that michael has (ironically wrote into the movie, despite Zombie repeating 'what's real is better' on the first Halloween commentary) of his dead mother and younger version of himself, could actually be dreams that Laurie had (We saw her dream at the opening of Halloween 2) whilst she was asleep. But this would confuse people, giving that she was far too young to remember what they looked like, so simple; She saw images of her real mother and the younger michael perhaps in Loomis' book that he wrote (which drove everyone insane.) The ending was a little hasty, but there's always a simple explanation: Perhaps Loomis' book described what Michael's dreams were like, giving they shared secrets due to Loomis being his doctor, and laurie came by it. These explanations are so simple, (yet a bother to read) and yet, they're so reluctant to find a simpple solution to the possible sequel's predecessor.