That Federer lacks the olympic gold is of course a small blemish on his resumé but like I said, since the OG is only held every 4 years it is at least UNDERSTANDABLE that he failed to win it.

So you disagree with durrrrrr agree with me that it is ridiculous to claim that Rafa's lack of a WTf title is a big black hole but Fed's lack of Olympic Gold Medal in Singles doesn't matter? Is that what you are trying to say? A yes or no will suffice.

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but like I said, since the OG is only held every 4 years it is at least UNDERSTANDABLE that he failed to win it.

So it is "understandable". It is "understandable for a player who has won the most Slams of anyone and who is GOAT according to his fanboys has been beaten by the likes of Berdych, Blake and Murray when he tried to win the Ol<mpics in Singles.

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It is not as understandable that Nadal who has played the WTF 6 times has not been able to win it, especially since he according to his quality fanboys is a GOAT contender.

Such BS. Reasons why Nadal hasn't won the WTF are obvious to anyone who knows somethimg about the game.

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No, my logic is not "easily reversed". We are talking TENNIS here. In TENNIS, the YEC has much history and is worth more ranking points than the olympics. Tennis players dream about winning slams and qualifying for the YEC when they are kids. They do not aim towards the olympics, like participants of many other sports do. Me and every other person with a brain here is very much aware that you would also acknowledge this fact if only you weren't bent on defending Nadal blindly in every and all situations.

Such again. There are also lots of player who dream about winning a medal for their countries. Stop living in the past. The WTF is not that much more important than the Olmypic Gold (in Single). You say that because your fave hasn't won the latter and at the same time accusing me of fanboyism.

Beijing 2008 medal table Switzerland got the same number as Spain did from the tennis competitions.

this, a country couldn't care less on what sport or discipline or mode his countryman win the gold, it counts the same, and Olympics is for play for your country and not for your own achievement. About WTF maybe Nadal can win it if they change it to clay, keep praying.

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You and logic... Federer had four opportunities to win OG and only three of them when he was among best players. Nadal this year will have his seventh to win WTF, I guess that maybe he`d participate in 3-4 WTF more.
It doesn`t need to be a genious to understand what is harder to win for objective reasons due to impossibility to take part in OG more times then in WTF.

You make no sense. According to your logic Nadal > Fed because Olympics is much harder to win than WTF

So Rafa's lack of WTF title is a black hole in his resume but Fed's inability to win the Olympic Gold Medal in Singles because he got destroyed by non-Slam winners Murray, Blake and Berdych doesn't matter? Is that really what you are trying to say, Mr. Antonius?

Everything matters. Is it simply that the OG matters less than the WTF. And as the WTF is held each year we can say that Federer has tried to win the OG three times (or four, if you like to count opportunities before he started winning anything) and failed, and Nadal has tried to win the WTF eight times (or ten, if you prefer) and failed. Eight is larger than three. Ten is larger than four. Nadal has had more chances at this.

On winning DC and its overall importance in the discussion for all-time greats

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Davis Cup should never have really mattered in the GOAT discussion anyway since it's a team event. If you're talking about the GOAT singles player then you should mainly look at individual results.If some unknown talent came out of some random tiny country (no chance to win DC) and won 20 slams, no one would give a single shit if that player didn't have DC. The fact is, success in DC is largely determined by what country you come from or play for in the first place, which most players haven't had any control over.

Everything matters. Is it simply that the OG matters less than the WTF. And as the WTF is held each year we can say that Federer has tried to win the OG three times (or four, if you like to count opportunities before he started winning anything) and failed, and Nadal has tried to win the WTF eight times (or ten, if you prefer) and failed. Eight is larger than three. Ten is larger than four. Nadal has had more chances at this.

I already addressed that point in another post of mine. It is not that simple.