Today, the Dutch newspaper TROUW published my contribution to the discussion about science in the Netherlands. I respond to a recent publication by professors José van Dijck and Wim van Saarloos of the KNAW, pleading for more public investment in research at universities. In my view, there are more well-educated scientists, even with a PhD, outside universities than inside. Therefore, the KNAW should focus on stimulating all researchers to contribute to solutions for grand societal challenges including ageing, climate change and armed conflicts, rather than defending universities. Info: https://www.trouw.nl/opinie/ook-buiten-de-universiteit-is-wetenschap~a2bdf1c9/