octavian wrote:This is the thing, almonds have females with flecks too and when mated together they make almost white males too. This thing that you show me here are ash red spread(lavander) heterozigus for blue and some of them are dilute. It is quite easy to make one, but not sure that all of them will make so many black flecks.

I should be clearer on what I am saying: I used the words "Almond flecks" to describe what I was trying to describe but it looks like it is cousing some misunderstandings. I should of said "like almond flecks". The thing I am showing you is called gümüş. Its relationship to almond or any other genetic factor does not concern me and I would be very surprised if there is a Turkish takla breeder out there who would be concerned about it. Terminologies used out there in the genetic world should not be confused with the Turkish names used to describe the colors I have been sharing here. They are not translation of genetic terms or factors but merely traditional names. I am certain they predate Mendel. Since you do run into this color in Takla I am sure you would recognize the fact the breeders know how exactly to come up with the color.

octavian wrote:Try and mate a black male with a yellow or an ash red female and you will have this kind of males, but the blacks must be with black beak, not with white beak beacause they wont make any flecks. i will show you the parents of my bird.

As you get deeper in to this breed, I am sure you will see why, but I could not do a pairing based on those facts in my breeder coop.If I did, that fact alone would be enough to discredit my bloodlines and my ability to breed topnotch birds.

octavian wrote: If you dont have black or ash red birds come to me and i will give you

Thank you for your generous offer.

That is happening beacause you know a lot about your bird's origins, i don't know to much, and, moreover i am curios to find out what will i get from different matings and i make this kind of matings to get differen birds. Untill now i got what i wanted.P.S. I don't think you will ruin all the line if you get one mating so to get a pair of youngs from them, if you work on color lines then you will get what you want from the first pair of youngs as Spread(Black) is dominant and ash red too, best would be to mate a female ash red with a black male as it is a sex linked mating, all males will be ash red and all females will be black/blue/check depends if the blacks are homozigous for spread or not.

octavian wrote:P.S. I don't think you will ruin all the line if you get one mating so to get a pair of youngs from them

There is a misunderstanding here: What I am saying is that I can not do a pairing pased on those facts (as in based only on the color).There are unsaid rules of conduct with in Takla fanciers. This is one of them. (unless you are keeping the breed for show purposes, which will put the fancier in a different category)Not only a pairing based on color can not be done, but also no bird can be brought into a coop based on color only.This action alone will reduce the qualifications of a breeder in our community a great deal.Let alone doing a pairing like that in my coop if I was to bring in a single bird into my coop only because it is a certain color I guarantee you 90% of the Turks would know about it in a week.

Because of these kinds of traditional rules, you will find the Takla fanciers will also speak in a very basic language and do not use words that could be associated with non-performance orientation.

octavian wrote: if you work on color lines then you will get what you want from the first pair of youngs as Spread(Black) is dominant and ash red too, best would be to mate a female ash red with a black male as it is a sex linked mating, all males will be ash red and all females will be black/blue/check depends if the blacks are homozigous for spread or not.

octavian wrote:P.S. I don't think you will ruin all the line if you get one mating so to get a pair of youngs from them

There is a misunderstanding here: What I am saying is that I can not do a pairing pased on those facts (as in based only on the color).There are unsaid rules of conduct with in Takla fanciers. This is one of them. (unless you are keeping the breed for show purposes, which will put the fancier in a different category)Not only a pairing based on color can not be done, but also no bird can be brought into a coop based on color only.This action alone will reduce the qualifications of a breeder in our community a great deal.Let alone doing a pairing like that in my coop if I was to bring in a single bird into my coop only because it is a certain color I guarantee you 90% of the Turks would know about it in a week.

Because of these kinds of traditional rules, you will find the Takla fanciers will also speak in a very basic language and do not use words that could be associated with non-performance orientation.

octavian wrote: if you work on color lines then you will get what you want from the first pair of youngs as Spread(Black) is dominant and ash red too, best would be to mate a female ash red with a black male as it is a sex linked mating, all males will be ash red and all females will be black/blue/check depends if the blacks are homozigous for spread or not.

Such as these.

There are too many things that are very interesting at this breed not to be interested in. I am just a beginner with this breed and i want to start flying them on mobile coop this year. Just for trying as there is nobody in my country that really flyes taklas i will be the first(i hope) and i hope i will do good.

octavian wrote:There are too many things that are very interesting at this breed not to be interested in.

I couldn't agree more.

octavian wrote:I am just a beginner with this breed and i want to start flying them on mobile coop this year. Just for trying as there is nobody in my country that really flyes taklas i will be the first(i hope) and i hope i will do good.

I would love to see the photos of the mobile coop you put together in the future.I know a few guys in Germany and France do this with relative success.Two things I think help.1) when the mobile coop is close to the ground and not on long leggs like most others.2) when an open site is selected and the birds are always flown out of there.Good luck to you with this adventure.

octavian wrote:There are too many things that are very interesting at this breed not to be interested in.

I couldn't agree more.

octavian wrote:I am just a beginner with this breed and i want to start flying them on mobile coop this year. Just for trying as there is nobody in my country that really flyes taklas i will be the first(i hope) and i hope i will do good.

I would love to see the photos of the mobile coop you put together in the future.I know a few guys in Germany and France do this with relative success.Two things I think help.1) when the mobile coop is close to the ground and not on long leggs like most others.2) when an open site is selected and the birds are always flown out of there.Good luck to you with this adventure.

I can't wait to finish it. I want to do it on a mobile coop as i'm at school and i hope that i can manage to get a place at school to keep them. I'm at home with them only on weekends and i don't have enough time to train them at home. I saw these things ilve at a friend in Serbia his name is Stevan Dozet. If you search on google you will find a lot of things about him as he is the one that made coop flying in Serbia, they now have a flying club out there.

Hi Greg,Kaplan means Tiger.Basically, the bird is most likely named like this because of the silver flecks on him.The color is what we call Gümüş.Pretty much the same coloring on the earlier photos on this topic.These specks can be seen on birds with yellow bar and red bar colors.I have also seen them at a lesser degree on yellow and red selfs and barless ash color birds.I'm not knowledgeable enough to say what it is genetically but about 75% of these birds are males. Take care