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Comment by timtux

Really nice for raiding rogues.

Comment by Farmbuyer

Since it's an "equip" rather than "use" item, this will also work for feral druid forms.

Comment by HaKProduct

Assuming Blizz doesn't create an item that simply has a higher % or changes the extra-hit system, this item will scale forever. Whether you're getting an extra hit with a Dal Rend blade or an Ancient Qiraji Ripper, or even the 284 DPS Main hand in WoW's 4th expansion, an extra hit always scales with the weapons.

This really shines when you take tons of hits, like a rogue or fury warrior or even certain pally styles. Although not much is better than a free instant second 2h hit, there are simply fewer chances to get that 2% to proc with a slower weapon.

If you get this and don't use it for a while, keep it anyways, when BC comes out it might be the only one of it's kind.

Also, it stacks with all other super-haste/instant swing items/spells/abilities.

Comment by Imiut

Since patch 2.0, the equip on this item was changed to a 'chance' to gain an extra hit, instead of a '2% chance'. This change might reflect that it won't scale as well anymore.

Comment by frmrpreztaft

As a raiding warrior with MC/BWL dps gear, i can say tha this is one of THE BEST (if not the best) melee DPS trinkets out there. HoJ + Sword Spec + Windfury Totem = WTFDMG.

HIGHLY RECOMMENDED for any Melee class.

Comment by kcorb

I used this constantly on my Rogue when I was PvE Sword Spec.

HoJ+Blade Flurry+Adrenaline Rush+Sinister Strike Spam =WTFDMGOUTPUT

Comment by SignupSucks

Does this effect work with attacks in druid forms? The convention it follows makes me believe it does, but I am not certain, as I've never heard of a druid with one.

Comment by Arballador

look at what farmbuyer said

Comment by Razorthorn

This thing should be marked orange, I use it still at 70 with my lionheart blade and sword spec. I've had 2 extra attack right after another a countless times. I need to find a very very good trinket before this thing gets replaced. Really no matter what lvl you are, go get this trinket as warrior , rogue whatever.

It should be a legendary item.

Comment by crimsonheart

Invaluable.

"Chance on hit" is around 5%. The following is from wowwiki. Even though it states that it's a weapon property, the article describes the same statistic applied to Paladin seals and other items.

"A property of a weapon that has a power with a chance of activating on each hit. Sometimes the chance is listed as a percentage (%). Most often there is no direct indication of how often that "chance" occurs. Although there is no official documentation on how often a Chance on Hit works, or proc's, around 5% sounds likely."

When I was 60, I used the Halberd of Smiting which had the chance on hit to decapitate your target for ~600 damage. Same thing as the Doomsaw at level 60. Chance on hit was definitely more than 2%, which is what this trinket used to be.

One of the old benefits of this trinket being +2% (though now it's been changed to chance on hit) was that it could be added to the sword skill % increase, plus the sword spec talent % increase. However, changing this to "Chance on Hit" benefits all classes now.

As a sword spec HUMAN warrior with the racial ability for extra sword skill as well as the arms talent spec that adds additional weapon skill, with this trinket, I proc extra attacks all the time at level 70. Even though this trinket is a separate percentage that is not added in with the sword skill, but it's own proc, It still kicks in on a regular basis.

I can't imagine throwing this away ever.

Comment by kameko

here are my procwatch results:

hits :575procs :14time 09:18 (for those unfamiliar with procwatch, that is the time in-combat only)hits/proc :41procs/min :1.5

so that would be 14 procs out of 575 hits giving 2.4% proc. of course its going to vary but unless those were extremely lucky 9:18 minutes of in-combat time, the proc rate doesnt seem to have changed much from the original 2% chance. at least for me.

Comment by Bojo

Thottbot says it can be dropped from General angerforge too, not only the emperor. You need the key to get to him thou. To get the key, you must die, Talk to a Forgewright in Forgewright's tomb inside BRM, take the quest, listen to his story, then you get a quest to go inside BRD, and the reward is the key to Angerforge. If he CAN drop the key, it's better to farm Angerforge rather than emperor. (im talking about lvl 70 solo if you want this trinket)

Comment by koaschten

Comment by shonen

One time at my warrior a hunter out-rolled me on this :DDD

Comment by Yoggi

Is it possible to, and if so, how difficult is it, to solo this at level 70 as a warrior in blues/greens? i've been seing recently what i can solo and have made it through everything up to and including sunken temple. any feedback would be great, thanks :D

Comment by Reticeo

Dual Blinkstrike + Sword Specialization + Hand of Justice = ...?

:O

Comment by Baldassar

The trinket was changed even before tBC, and if i remember the patchnotes correctly the reason for it was to make it ppm rather than a fixed chance (turning this into a 2h trinket). I may or may not be wrong, so if any further tests are posted here please mention the weapon used

Comment by Dewolf

Dont know for other classes but my Prot paly has no problem getting to the emperor and taking him down solo.

He dropped HoJ last night , was curious if this thing procs enough to be worth it. Never expected anything useful to drop in BRD for my paly but this may be the exception.

Ill keep using , but in 10 min of playing with it, I didnt see anything in my combat log after each fight. Anyone know what this shows up in the combat log as ?

Im guessing I may be overlooking it.

Comment by Askon

Given the other quest/instance trinkets in Outland, is this any good still for warriors at lvl 70? Any comments/opinions would be greatly appreciated.

Comment by 13lackheart

1.3% chance to proc at 70 not to mention the 20 AP not bad for sword spec warriors to use until better releases

Comment by AstrayQQ

This item still shows it's worth for lvl 70 PvE dps with an improved slam spec and sword specialization wich makes it able to use Slam almsot endlessly.

Comment by shazarim

This is a phenomenal trinket for MM hunters too. I just won against a rogue and shammy for mine today.

The AP bonus is great and won't be matched until you hit the outlands. The proc isn't so useful for me, but can save my life in a pinch.

Recommended!

Comment by Nabo

this is a crap trinket for MM hunters...Rune of the guard captain from hinterlands is far better and easier to get. The POINT of this trinket is the chance on melee hit, and thats not something a mm hunter is going to have an abundance of.

Comment by rogueforlife

No, no, no no no, WRONG! You have just shown us a fine example of "OMG HUNTER LEWTS". Just because you //CAN// use it, doesn't mean you //SHOULD// use it. The "Chance on melee hit" is what makes this trinket, how often do you melee compared to a true melee class?

My sympathies for the party members which you ninja'd this trinket from. Hunters (I don't care what spec) should NEVER roll against melee for this item.

/rant.

Comment by diag

wowhead indicates that it is changed in 2.3, wonder what's changed.

Comment by phor11

Question is:If it truly is still a % proc and not a PPM proc, does the % scale up pre-60 just as it scales down post 60?

I have it at 55, will attempt to do some parsing tonight.

Comment by Mortenz

Hand of Justice actually has a animation when it procs, it looks very much the same as the Undead Racial Will of the Forsaken, tho without the /roar emote. Its like a Purple/Blue circle around you.

Comment by tolor20

i think this would be a great trinket for combat sowrd roguesfirst you get a 5% cahnce for an extra strike with yur specthen trinket i have read any where from 1% to 5% chance to get an extra strike

Comment by Sitrimid

Comment by Kalixis

I'm the shammy that this guy ninja'ed it from lol. At least I'm 90% sure. Timing of the comment coincides with the day that I got shafted from it.

People that do stuff like that deserved to get punched in the face.

Comment by Necroph

As of 2.4 it has new graphics! Oh yes! Whereas it used to flash white (like being hit with an improved Hamstring) it now flashes with ALL THE COLORS OF THE RAINBOW! DISCO ON, MY BRUTAL WARRIORS! /dance

Comment by Twan

O.o Narly

Comment by aligatc

I'm definitely going to farm for this trinket. 1.33% chance to go off still makes it worth it. As a shaman, Windfury + HoJ will be awesome. Extra attacks, here I come.

Comment by iwearadress

Turn up your spell grafics all the way so the procs are more noticable. It procs quite often.

Comment by Kataya

Attention fellow combat sword rogues:

I suggest getting Thrash Blade and this as soon as possible, with Hand of Justice.

In total this would mean that sword specialization = 5% chance for extra attackThrash Blade = 4.25% chance for extra attackHand of Justice = 2% chance for extra attack

Totalling 11.25% chance for an extra attack, also all can proc off each other so you may be getting 3 procs in a row or more.

Definitely keep this trinket until level 70, sadly it will eventually be replaced but until then it is simply an amazing trinket.

Comment by pokestick

Holds the Hammer of Justice.

Comment by Sillybeans

1st of all flame at my spelling or grammar all you want but just read the explanation before you start random rants (yes I’ve played wow for a very long time aswell)

All you people that "Know" this trinket should be replaced at 70 maybe you've just became level 70 and don’t know game mechanics yet.

In above posts they state its 1.33% proc at 70, many think big deal but be real! crits aren’t even close to the extra dmg a extra hit gives... criting is 200% more dmg (without talents) and a extra hit is 200%. This trinket is 1.33% more dmg and 1% crit is 0.5% more dmg, even at 70 1.33% crit is relatively hard to obtain (pvp trinket or BM trinket are only 2 available for easy gamers at 1.6%+1.8%) at 70 which is just above this dmg.

Lets say you have 25% crit (just to make it easier for me and its average crit for most blue geared people). The extra 1.33% chance to hit is a extra 1.33% chance to hit AND crit.

You have 266% dmg but factor in your crit to the hit so divide by 4 and add that to 266% (266/4=66.5% (this means u got 0.665% crit aswell making it 1.33+0.665=1.995% crit)) from critting with your extra attack so its really 266+66.5=332.2% extra damage from the trinket when procs on average instead of just doing a normal hit and getting the 100% normal dmg). This trinket is just as good as a 2.1525% crit trinket at 70. What would u prefer? a chance to do 200% more dmg (per crit) or a chance to do 332.2% more (on average) dmg. For example Hourglass Of The Unraveller is 1.6% crit, this is 200%x1.6=320% more dmg. Btw if your having troube thinking syaing a trinket DOESNT GIVE 332.2% MORE DMG! this is PER-CENT-AGE divide it by 100 and thats the % of damage you get over all, this is the % u get for a hit. 332.2% is 3.322% more damage, and 320% is 3.2% more dmg. Sounds reasonable now? -.- you just rounded the dmg to 1 in 100 attacks, (yes its 1.33% chance for extra and 1.6% crit not 1% but u calculated the dmg into % (100 hits aswell if u dislike %) and to find out 1% (1hit) divide it by 100.

Now that u understand this HERES THE BEST PART, this trinket proc’s with paladin seals (extra dmg that isn’t included in a extra hit and is often forgotten) extra rage for fury warriors (again this is forgotten) rogues have offhand spec (chance to obtain extra energy) and shamans have a chance to gain an addition windfury! Lastly are druids… Same as warriors + Rogues chance on hit/crit to gain extra rage/energy and Omen Of Clarity chance on hit to reduce next moves cost to nothing. DON’T FORGET! Most class’s have flurry (I know that’s on crit but chance to hit also is crit) or some sort of way to increase attack speed (cat form is 1sec attack time) so this procs more and more.

As i said at the top, to beat this trinket u need to have 1.995% crit trinket. Plus the effects (stated above)

Congratulations for all who’ve read this, your true WoW fans! I Currently Have a level 60 warrior (will be 62 probably by the end of today) and I’m not removing this trinket for any crit trinket. It was best dps trinket pre tbc for A REASON (I cried at lower drop rate pre tbc I ran BRD 34 times on my rogue and never dropped)

I go into a lot of detail for all class’s I even have my own files that balance out gear different and what I get per different spec from each attribute and what my average hit/crit will be fore every move for all melee class’s (I’m a melee fan and I cba spending ages debating on which piece of equipment is better so I spent 2 weeks making these). So if any1 wants help or advice on gear, specs or just to have a argument cause I’m always up for an argument add me on msn (Robert.crooks1@ntlworld.com).

Or whisper me in game on 1 of these characters I play depending on mood.Hakar – 70 RoguePewzor – 70 ShamanIhaveursoul – 62 WarlockVämyler – 60 Warrior (I’m currently playing this char the most)Firestuff – 47 Mage

Good Game? :P

Also talents werent put into the calculation since there are talents and chance on hits that can different between gear and chance on crits. One of the main one being sword spec giving a bigger chance to proc chance on hits like this.

(Ps: Hourglass of the unraveler is also one of my TOP rated trinkets since 13.2 AP is 1DPS at 70 and having a small hidden cooldown compared to 2-3min cds i recommend it, will go into detail if asked :P)

Comment by Majiwaru

I got this trinket currently equipped at my lvl 55 warrior, and I think it`s awesome! The proc itself is like another "Sword Speciliazation" ability, and if that wouldn`t be ebough it gives you 20 AP (heh, not the best, but)I got a 70 rogue, so I know what melee dps trinkets there are, and for the poor, that doesn`t go the best raids etc, I think you can replace your "Uniting charm" or whatever trinket you use, and use this one instead, especially as a 2 hand wielder!

Comment by joejack4322

this trinket + ironfoe + WF = holy *!@#

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Comment by JuricaVusic

-_- just think a little bit when shamans wf procs thats 4 hits in a sec , if u are a shaman with DW and ur WF procs with with 2 wepons at the same time thats 8 hits and i think just ne hit would make a extra atack for u and there is also stormstrike and if u normal hit with ur wepons and WF procs then u hit with stormstrike with ur wepons and if u lucky wf procs with ur 2 wepons this is 4 wf in 2 sec and if every hit of ur WF is sucsesful hit that makes 16 hits in 2 sec what gives every hit of those 16 hits a chance to grant a extra atack that can be 32 atacks in 2 sec but this is a very very very small chance about 0.0002% chance of ur hit that this would hapen , just imagine if that hapens in a duel agains warior and u one shot him xD but i now this can hapen like it hapen to me when i was a 2H shaman i hawe one shot a mobb in SH normal i hited him for 2400 and then wf proct and i did 2400 2300 2550 and then i hit with stormstrike with which i did 2100 and wf proct and then i did 2000 2400 2200 it hapend all in 3 sec and it was amaizing i hited him for 17k dmg = ) i was stuned when i did that

i would like to show u the picture but when i hawe done that i was ... it was .. i just cant... i dont now what to say

Comment by Vger

Man, I was sure that this was a troll... now less so...

Comment by wasniahC

Hi, I'm that trinket that hunter just ninja'd. Not doing much, so I've got some time to relax now. Imagine how much I'd be doing if that shaman got me D: god forbid.

Comment by Bishoprandy

im lvl 70 sword spec warrior. I ran a friend threw BRD on his priest when i was lvl 65 and this thing droped so i picked it up and checked wowhead on it saw the 1.33% at 70 and since i had only 1 good trinket i used it. This thing is amazing with sword spec is like adding another tallent point into sword spec + 20 AP. I have also noticed after killing many many mobs that for what ever reason this thing loves procing with or off of sword spec i just had 2 hits all crits for 2k eachs from sword spec then this baby procing for another 2k ill replace it in WoLK when its chance drops under 1% i will miss it :(

ps. this this can proc off any attack had it proc with a crit MS doing 7k dmg together on a shaman in s2 and of off execute and like the above pally said the burst dmg this thing can pump out on the first pull has wiped me in a few instances before :/

Comment by RGsweden

I just lost a roll for this against a fu---ng hunter and a freaking prot/holy paladin! so freaking $%^&ed off cause of. I didn't win a single thing in there and when this drops I get screwed by those two twats..

Comment by Liri

It will trigger off windfury. Windfury will trigger it, and most amusing of all, it will trigger off LIGHTING SHIELD! I checked recount to make sure thats what happened and it showed it..the 'attack' from the shield procced the swing!

Comment by Greed

Aye, I'm Dagran Thaurissan, Emperor of Dark Iron Clan. This one day I was sitting on my throne and swinging my Ironfoe around like usually. Suddenly a party of five came rushing to my hall, killed my guests and challanged me to a fight. Well I took them 2on5 with my bitch Moira, but they got unfair advantage and finally got me down by luck and stole my trinket. Some random shaman, rogue and this wigger hunter rolled for the trinket, hunter got the highest roll. Everyone were like wtf this hunter is doing and I rofled while dead, what a retarded stereotypical huntard. After that I just started waiting as a spirit for instance reset so I could go back to sit on my throne and think of my evil schemes.

Comment by Hyperstalker

just for the record people still use this at level 70 in arena mainly warriors, i seen high end season 4 warriors with this and sword specialist doing 2v2 with a resto shaman apperently they all dont share CD and it can do crazy damage whe it all procs together i will be looking forward to tring to this out when i have teh chance to farm it dont let the 1% put you off :P

Comment by Rodriguez

This trinket is a legend in WoW history, it had truly glorious days until it's big downfall.. Blizzard saw the big threat and immense power from this trinket and nerfed it to death and never ever introduced another item with this unique ability. In WotLK we get a cheap copy of this trinket with haste+ instead of a chance to gain extra hit.

This trinket was pure gold, every Warrior will agree, it maybe was overpowered i don't deny this, but damn i will never forget the times of triple proccs as warrior, that was one of the few times in the life of a warrior, where he felt mighty and superior. In WotLK we get a cheap nostalgia plastic copy:Swift Hand of justice, of this once so great trinket.

I highly suggest a comeback for trinkets with "chance to gain an extra hit" !

Comment by Rodriguez

This trinket is a legend in WoW history, it had truly glorious days until it's big downfall.. Blizzard saw the big threat and immense power from this trinket and made it significantly more difficult to get it and with after BC never ever introduced another item with this unique ability.

This trinket was pure gold in the past time, every Warrior will agree, it maybe was overpowered i don't deny this, but damn i will never forget the times of triple proccs as warrior, that was one of the few times in warrior's history, where he felt mighty and superior. In WotLK we get a cheap nostalgia plastic copy:Swift Hand of justice, of this once so great trinket. At least it has nostalgic value...

I highly suggest a comeback for trinkets with "chance to gain an extra hit" !

Comment by crohnoes

Hi, I'm Thottbot, I want my user base back. Thanks.

Comment by Warhead

I don't know why, but this trinket doesn't work for me. On my 70 warrior, my combat log showed it proccing several times, yet never did the proc yield an extra attack- I just attacked once, like normal. Very disappointing...

Comment by Dithren

im a 74 fury warrior and i still use this <3

Comment by WarriorsFtw

Wait kinda noobish question, but is this proc on you hitting someone or someone hitting you?

Comment by 2OfDiamonds

im dutch, if i say 'u' its because its faster and people understand it and my guess is thats why he did it. at least in part, you can see from what he says, he not a native english speaker.

if he doesnt know how to spell a word this doesnt mean hes lazy (like i am now, and im sure you use simple spelling too) except maybe on that subject, if you dont know other words you can still try, you should be able to do this without being flamed.

*edit* person below me: if it would help me to not make errors in grammar and/or syntax and make myself understandable, i would use simple text, im sure if you wanted to make yourself understandable in another language, you would make mistakes, no matter how much you 'made an effort and gave a f*ck' without sufficient knowledge of said language you would simply make errors, unwittingly take something out of context.

does it mean you are a lazy egotistical person if you try your best at something, make yourself understandable and along the way make an error or two? in that case theres alot of egocentric people. dont judge too quickly mon ami.

Comment by WarriorsFtw

Thanks, i was a bit unsure. I want a trinket that gives you a chance to get an extra attack when you get it... the best low level instance running trinket ever!

Comment by fadeaway

Any word on the proc chance at level 80?

I'm curious if it will get so low that it "flips" its numbers, much like how Icy Enchant was making targets attack faster instead of slower back in TBC - this trinket may go from 0.33% proc to 100% proc depending on level eventually.

Comment by Thrakin

Unwillingness to spell out your words/sentences only shows that you're an egoistic, lazy f*cker who doesn't care what other people think/do. Please make an effort and start giving a f*ck. Thanks.

Comment by Emserz

Got this on my lvl 60 rogue twink, and i must say the proc is very unpredictabel. sometimes it proc's within mere seconds, and sometimes i can do 250 hits without a proc.

I tested it with Recount though, counted 3100 hits and only having this proc 33 times. Very unpredictable in dps, and imo shouldn't be used for PvE if you have a good alternative.

Personally im hoping to get Drake Fang Talisman from BWL + Renataki's Charm of Trickery from ZG. I do get to pwn someone extra fast in pvp sometimes when it does proc, wich is very nice, but it only happens every 12th kill or so, meaning the rest of the time i just got a trinket with 20 atp.

Comment by Moethetroll

so i heard you can get procs off of ranged attacks.

Comment by Moethetroll

whats the proc rate on the current lvl cap, 80?

Comment by ahddib

Hi, this is Thottbot again, I lost another user named Moethetroll. Have you seen him?

Comment by ahddib

Quick number check. I have attempted to make this chart for the Proc chance of the Hand of Justice trinket. Please review my calculations and let me know if it is right or not and I will correct or delete if necessary.

I have analyzed the level scaling based off of the information provided that it is scaled down to 1.66 at level 70. That being the case if the scaling is not % wise then I made this chart:

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Comment by Zoetroper

I'd just like to point out that this item in concert with thrash blade and Ironfoe mainhand can chain trigger each other. I don't have a screenshot, but I'm being completely honest when I say that I have personally seen these items chain 24 instant attacks off 1 cheap shot. 4 of those attacks missed, and the other 20 attacks took the rogue I jumped down to 36% hp.

I unfortunately do not have a screenshot of this, but I'd swear on my WoW account that this occurred during the Burning Crusade expansion in Alterac Valley.

I suppose in any case it's at your discretion whether or not you want to farm these items on your alt, but I would strongly reccomend it as it lasted me up until level 65 and probably would have gone further if I didn't grow discontent with the top end I was seeing verse greens I was picking up.

It took me around 10 runs to get Ironfoe, and (lol) 13 to get HoJ. Keep in mind that when BC was released alot of items, including Ironfoe had their drop rates significantly increased. So it's not the 1 / 500 it used to be.

Happy hunting.

p.s. I never even tried sword spec with all that stuff lawwwwwwllllllll

Comment by Morkai

I once played on a friend's account on a pala with this and Hand of rangnaros. When it procced the elites at tyr's hand died in a single shot... Yeah procs of soc too :P

Comment by Hadarace

Was tanking on my warrior and this dropped. I rolled 89 and the stupid rogue rolled 96. He hits fast enough as is. If I'd have won I woulda had swift hand of justice and hand of justice

Comment by Bobo337

I absolutely love this for my druid, has it ever since I stole it from a rogue while tanking... my first trinket that wasn't the BoA spellpower (because I was far too lazy to buy the BoA melee, and I personally don't think haste or heals is that good for leveling). Either way I'm planning on using this until 75, and in 1 level at 69 I'll have the Death Knight's Anguish trinket.

Comment by Strein4321

I was wondering if this trinket is good for feral druid. Anyone have any other opinions to add? I mean feral as in cat. =P

Comment by Coldbear

Thottbot can have the hunter. Wowhead will keep the rogue and the shaman. Cheers.

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Comment by asherkobin

This doens't seem to be working in 4.3. Recount isn't showing any (Hand of Justice) messages and I don't see any visual.

Comment by asherkobin

At Level 58 I have about 175 procs out of 13100 attacks for a 1.3% proc rate

It appears in the combat log as "{Player} gains 1 extra attacks". Determining which attack is actualy attributed to the trinket seems to be an inexact science.

In my observation, Recount will identify the attack that follows the trinket proc as the attack that will be duplicated and the next time that attack occurs, it is attributed to the trinket proc. I don't think the combat log is guaranteed to be in order of actual events, so it is possible for Recount to be inacurate. There may be a way for a combat log entry to indicate that it is a result of an extra attack (or it may have the same exact time-stamp). If not, then there is no derterministic way to attribute the extra attack.

Comment by badjerky

I have this item and I don't think it works. Never once have I seen any procs. Stood at a target dummy and hit over 1000 times and no procs. Sent a ticket to Blizzard and they responded "Blizzard doesn't provide game tips" etc etc and referred me to the internet. Any ideas?

Comment by Zlicamix

really rare drop comparing to item it selfi just won one today for my hunter,yes i ninjaloot it,and replaced with original heirloom,but i am not yet sure if it works for my class as heirloom does? guess im about to find out :)

Comment by gg754

atm combat rogs can 1shot shamans in soo with it and pvp 'looms swords 2x, saw irl it