Perhaps this thread is relevent enough to ask this question: The "fruit of life" is generally agreed to refer to the S2 engine; is there any consensus on what the "fruit of knowlege/wisdom" refers to in this context? Biblically, it's the forbidden fruit, the fruit from the Tree of Knowlege of Good and Evil, and the catalyst of Original Sin (often considered to be the cause of things such as sexuality, modesty, and death, among others), and it's what separates the Angels from the Lilim, so you'd think it must be something interesting. If the FoL is the S2 organ, then the FoK could be an organ as well. I'm tempted to say "The Human Mind/Brain," but there's no particular suggestion that the Angels lack that. I'm sure this is just more "pointless religious symbolism" so it's not necessarily that relevant to the Biblical version, but usually in NGE when they use religious terms they're referring to something that's specific and concrete in NGE's reality.

RCB wrote:Fruit of Wisdom (CHIE NO MI)] That possessed by humans. The product of this wisdom appears to be "Science", which is praised by Gendou as "the power of man," but ridiculed by Fuyutsuki as "the cause of Second Impact". If so then Eva and the Instrumentality Project are also the products of this wisdom. According to the book of Genesis in the Old Testament, at the center of the Garden of Eden next to the Tree of Life was also a Tree of Wisdom -- a Tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Humans disobeyed God's command and ate of its fruit, so God banished humans from the Garden of Eden and imposed many discomforts upon them. Does this mean that humans are beings that were banished from the Garden of Eden in exchange for obtaining wisdom?

I have my own theory that 'Fruit of Wisdom/Knowledge' = DNA, but I intend to elaborate on that idea at some future time in its own thread.

these are all names for geometeries, tis pretty interesting as all religious systems rest on these basic geometeries, check them out. also, the pattern of DNA is based of very simple geometry between water and various proteins, this is why i think DNA in eva is associated with evolution/the soul/the tree of life map: as in the tree of life stacked on top of each other makes the pattern for DNA, as well as all the ancient cultures that used the double helix for the symbol of ascension ie, the eyptains, the mayans, the shamanic tribes in the western basin of the amazon etc.

i thought there was a connection between EVA-01 and the daath sephiroth, being associated with knowledge thus sammuel (shining light not disstilled into creation, its why it is called the lightbringer). however, that turned out to be unfounded.

Shin-seiki wrote:I have my own theory that 'Fruit of Wisdom/Knowledge' = DNA, but I intend to elaborate on that idea at some future time in its own thread.

Well, I hope you've taken the following into account...

- The Fruit of Knowledge would be something that Adam & Kids are missing. They certainly don't seem to be at any loss for DNA.

- Fuyutsuki says that the Fruit of Knowledge is held by humans (by context, "the humans derived from Lilith"). Ergo, it is something that not only does Adam-based life lack, but presumably the rest of Lilith-based life lacks, as well. DNA is the very thread of Life As We Know It, and all LBLs have it. (At least, all of the ones worth mentioning. )

- And there's this from the EoE Theatrical Program, too:[Fruit of Wisdom (CHIE NO MI)]That possessed by humans. The product of this wisdom appears to be "Science", which is praised by Gendou as "the power of man," but ridiculed by Fuyutsuki as "the cause of Second Impact". If so then Eva and the Instrumentality Project are also the products of this wisdom. According to the book of Genesis in the Old Testament, at the center of the Garden of Eden next to the Tree of Life was also a Tree of Wisdom -- a Tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Humans disobeyed God's command and ate of its fruit, so God banished humans from the Garden of Eden and imposed many discomforts upon them. Does this mean that humans are beings that were banished from the Garden of Eden in exchange for obtaining wisdom?...which you, uh, just quoted, now that I look again.

Wow, people you really are going too far into the subject matter of Eva. If I remember correctly, this is a topic of Gendo at his desk, not about the theoretical and impossible question about the Fruit of Knowledge. If people want to read about the Fruit of Knowledge read the bible or something more relavent than someones own interpretation of it from an animation. Though reading the comments put forth, they very interesting but they go too deep and irrelavant to say the least.

I think the main reason this thread went off track is because there isn't much to be said about "the shape of Gendo, his desk, and their reflection." I only brought up the Fruit of Knowlege because people were discussing religious refs and that's been bugging me for a while, and the phrase is used too often in here for a search to be very effective.

Shin-seiki wrote:I have my own theory that 'Fruit of Wisdom/Knowledge' = DNA, but I intend to elaborate on that idea at some future time in its own thread.

Hmm...outta curiosity, does it have anything to do with the references in NGE to the cracking of the human genome? That event was supposedly what first got Yui moving in the direction of, well, where she eventually ended up...maybe the knowledge of DNA, and not the DNA itself, is what you're referring to?

HeWhoPostsStuff wrote:Hmm...outta curiosity, does it have anything to do with the references in NGE to the cracking of the human genome? That event was supposedly what first got Yui moving in the direction of, well, where she eventually ended up...maybe the knowledge of DNA, and not the DNA itself, is what you're referring to?

Guph, Guf, Guff (Hebrew) A hollow or empty body, a shell; commonly used in the Qabbalah to signify the human physical body, whether alive or dead. Other Hebrew words for body are: guphah, gewiyyah, and gewah.

Quiddity abandoned that site and domain name earlier this year. The Ideon stuff that used to be there is now at shin-getter.net, but I have no idea if or where the rest was re-hosted.

Not abandoned. The host pulled the plug. I still have all the content from all the sites, but have no host for them so they're off the web indefinately.

Looking back on that essay its great to see how accurate it was and still is. That essay was written in response to the notion that Eva could never air on american tv because it was too offensive. Lo and behold, its now airing on Cartoon Network.

Hmm, something tells me this is a conversation from a ways back that I missed...offhand I can't recall anything in the series which links the double-helix form to anything S^2...got a link to enlighten me?

HeWhoPostsStuff wrote:Hmm, something tells me this is a conversation from a ways back that I missed...offhand I can't recall anything in the series which links the double-helix form to anything S^2...got a link to enlighten me?

Um, the word soleniod means coil or helix. The Spear, while not a S^2 engine per se, seems to operate on a similar principle. The Spear is a double helix, as is Armisael's original form. I myself feel justified in equating the S^2 with the double helix, for those, and other, reasons.