taking a wait and see is perfectly logical. its the complete disrespect for those who say they are getting one or the other that is disappointing. there is no need for that kind of behavior but i understand why it happens.

im thankful i started gaming when there was no internet nerd rage. Ive grown to appreciate the industry as a whole and can respect the views of others when it is displayed in a civil manner.

When it is straight up obvious trolls who have nothing better to do, i wish i could toss them a goat so they can go back to the bridge while i pass safely from one side to the other.

Yet coming to every Xbox article and spewing the same "everything is fine here, folks. Nothing to see" propaganda isn't annoying?

At worst, if someone takes my advice and holds off, they'll miss out on a few days or weeks of playing Xbox One. Boo hoo.

But if someone takes the rabid XBox Defense Force advice and just swallows everything Microsoft says, what happens if/when dev support dries up? What happens if/when that huge influx of indie games never shows up? What happens if/when all those promised Kinect 2.0 functions turn out to be a bit less than what we hoped? What happens if/when there are crippling hardware or operating-system problems when the system launches (or perhaps 6 months after)? What if people don't realize that there's a mandatory patch not only for the console but also for games? What if they're not aware that Kinect Sports Rivals was delayed, removing the one showcase for that $100 Kinect camera?

See, when I post, the WORST that happens is someone might think twice about trusting Microsoft and they take a bit of extra time to weigh their options. When Xbox Defense Force posts, they're running the risk of screwing over their fellow gamers if/when Microsoft does another flip-flop.

Wow....do you even re-read what you've just wrote? All your "advice's" are based on mindless hate. You were among the first to bash the xbone when you heard about the OS ram footprint but now you'll taking a very different stance with the ps4. Just drop the this act of non "biased" gamer. It is beyond hypocritical.

So what if ms brought back DRM? What If a huge meteor smash the earth tomorrow? It's all baseless speculation.

How the hell you even have 9 bubbles is beyond me. Its fine if you prefer ps4, xbone or Tue Wii u, but am really tired from all your passive aggressive stealth trolling in every Xbox one article.

And Am not saying let's turn every xbone article to a positive circlejerk without real criticism, but criticism goes both ways and it been proven that you'll give Sony a pass for things that you would turn ms apart if they did it.

So far Sony hasn't really given me - personally - much of a reason to "wait and see" with the PS4. Add to the fact that my PS3 is still giving me new games to play and I'm a big fan of the Vita (that last part has more to do with the fact that I love handhelds. I have a 3DS as well). But if you want to see me rag on Sony and eat crow about Microsoft, read my latest blog entry: http://n4g.com/blogs/detail...

I was an Xbox gamer since the original Xbox all the way up to 2008 when my 360 RRoD'd. During and prior to that time, I was also a huge PC gamer who played a lot of Microsoft games like Mechwarrior, Age of Empires, Flight, and more. One of my very first gaming experiences was my dad teaching me to boot a .exe through Command Line in MS-DOS. So, it's not like I've never touched a Microsoft product. I have very real reasons to be suspicious of Microsoft and to hold them at arm's length, and if people don't like the Xbox brand getting dragged through the mud, I have one thing to say.

The PS3 went through the same mud and look how it made Sony improve. Don't cry simply because it's Microsoft's turn to be humbled.

@ dark-hollow

Stealth trolling? I'm tired of the same "LEAVE MICROSOFT ALONE" persecution complex that I get from a lot of posters here, the exact same whiny attitude that Xbox fans mocked PS3 fans for back in 2006-2008.

And even though I can't "prove" it to you with post history, I was just as critical of Sony's idiotic blunders back in 2006 (didn't even buy a PS3 until late 2008) and I was just as critical of the nonsensical Sony Defense Force back then.

If it pains you that your favorite brand is getting my boot in their teeth, then report my posts for trolling/off topic/whatever, leave it up to the mods, and move on.

@dedicatedtosonygamers, you are trying to sound mature, but come off as a 6 year old trying to impress his peers when they are having a mature conversation. I am not going to be mad at you, just treat you like the 6 year old who has only figured out momma, dadda....

4show.... I do believe you just schooled dedicated. Cannot wait to see his response (copy & paste) and back in the old day stories....

Terrific, so nearly half of a gaming system's RAM is being used for non-gaming features.

Anyone want to try to convince me that Xbox One is focused on gaming? As a comparison, PS4 uses one - ONE - Gig out of 8 for its OS. http://n4g.com/news/1262357...

>>>>>Fast Forward to today

dedicatedtogamers + 40m ago

Though I agree with you that we should wait and see if the rumors pan out, so far the information I have is as follows:

5.5 GB of RAM devoted to gaming, locked in stone, no changing it, which is 2.5 GB more than what devs were previously getting with the 4 GB PS4. Keep in mind, also, that this is GDDR5 RAM. This is going to boil down to a lot more than just raw Gigs of RAM. People who think "lol now PS4 and Xbox One have the same amount of RAM" might as well say "LOL PS4 sucks. My Pentium 4 is clocked up to 2.8 GHz speed but PS4 CPU is slower than 2 GHz! Epic failz!" http://n4g.com/user/blogpos...

-Lets say the rumor is 100% BS, your comments already prove you are full of it, wheres the outrage for sony?, the lack of focus on games? Instead you're already in full defense, basicly your position is like well if it is true, let me tell you how its not so bad. I see this happen all the time to fanboys, now you seem to be spazing out and doing your best at damage control for your previous comments, but your bias continues to shine through more than anything, its like even when you try to fake being neutral you can't help but still end up showing your true nature.

Notice how despite the rumor article saying it 4.5GB garuanteed and 1GB flexible only if background OS can spare it, yet you act as if is all there up front because naturally you want to make the OS footprint look better. Again I think both have plenty of RAM for devs but you just can't spin your way out of how biased you sound, in fact if anything no one should listen to your advice, especially if they read your comment history.

"The PS3 went through the same mud and look how it made Sony improve. Don't cry simply because it's Microsoft's turn to be humbled."

Ironically....it was after the fact (release) that the Ps3 went through the mud. These recent 'so called' pieces regarding Ms are ragging on the "could have been".

All the negative vibe would be perfectly justified had they gone through with releasing their product the way they said. BUT, they didnt and while that is no reason to trust them it is still good to at least be optimistic.

Oh and as for your blog...you touched on the aspects of the RAM rumor. Hardly the same vein of criticism that you display towards the xb1. But respect to you for at least being open about it.

That is hilarious, the only flip flopping and back peddling is from the sony fanboys. It is so amazing on this site. Everything must be down played when it comes to Sony but for MS everything must be sensationalized and over blown.

MS is switching their policies for the better and yet Dedicated is warning us because of this "flip flopping"? Why would we worry about these new reversals when its exactly what we wanted from them?

Remember Nintendo's extreme third party policies? Remember when they required indies to have an actual office to submit a game? They changed those policies and you are excited to get a WiiU, there's no caution or "wait and see" for them.

Of course Dedicated can't see this for himself, (even tho I think he does). Instead he spins it as going into every article and saying the same thing is a warning to us gamers and not actual trolling.

@dedicatedtogames "So far Sony hasn't really given me - personally - much of a reason to "wait and see" with the PS4."

Really..I can help out, I'll quote.

" -All first party PS3 titles had Online pass DRM -Failed promise of PS3 to PSP remote play. -Failed promise of PS3 to Vita remote play. -Still missing the promised digital PSP games on Vita store. -Still missing the promised PS1 games on Vita store. -Released an expensive all digital game machine (the PSP Go) and proceed to have large swaths of the games not released digitally.

-Overpriced digital games that are years old that never see price reductions even when their retail counterparts do.

-PSN & Sony has had several serious security leaks, the biggest of which occurred between 17/04/11-19/04-11.

Sony shut down PSN on 20/04/11 under the guise of ‘Maintenance’ however it wasn't until 04/05/11(Over a week after the attack) that they released that 77 million registered PlayStation Network accounts, incl credit cards, passwords and other “identifiable personal information” had been compromised.

-For the above mentioned attack, Sony waited two days before even letting the FBI know that PSN Members data was stolen.

-The service outage caused by this attack totaled 24 days, they originally announced service would be restored “within a week”.

-This attack is considered one of the largest security breaches ever, surpassing their previous 2007 PSN leak, which affected 45 million customers. There had and has been further attacks to Sony’s product websites which have affected all registered sony users and customers, incl PSN members.

-Forcefully removed Linux support from PS3, a feature announced before launch sell/promote the original console.

-Consistently implied that they were adding cross game chat to the PS3 even though they knew the hardware was incapable.

-Leaving it to the very last minute to announce that the PSP Vita would require (extremely expensive) proprietary memory cards

"At worst, if someone takes my advice and holds off, they'll miss out on a few days or weeks of playing Xbox One. Boo hoo."

why would anyone take your advice or my advice on a product we all know about? what can you say or myself say that will change peoples minds when all the information needed is the same for everyone? do you have inside information? or do you have a bone to pick with m$?

"But if someone takes the rabid XBox Defense Force advice and just swallows everything Microsoft says, what happens if/when dev support dries up? What happens if/when that huge influx of indie games never shows up? What happens if/when all those promised Kinect 2.0 functions turn out to be a bit less than what we hoped? What happens if/when there are crippling hardware or operating-system problems when the system launches (or perhaps 6 months after)? What if people don't realize that there's a mandatory patch not only for the console but also for games? What if they're not aware that Kinect Sports Rivals was delayed, removing the one showcase for that $100 Kinect camera?"

then that is there decision. why do you care what other people spend there money on?

"See, when I post, the WORST that happens is someone might think twice about trusting Microsoft and they take a bit of extra time to weigh their options. When Xbox Defense Force posts, they're running the risk of screwing over their fellow gamers if/when Microsoft does another flip-flop."

whats all this defense force stuff? why are you in every xbox one article when it seems to me your not that interested?

Yeah, really funny, trying to shit on something he 'does not care about' but got too close and splashed all over himself. Its crazy, I like my Xbox, like my PS 3, but why the need to whine about something you will never own.... Dedicated must pacing up and down trying to come back with something good....

"I am aware that Microsoft hasn't changed the Xbox One's policies out of the kindness of its own heart. I am aware that, if the public outcry wasn't as huge as it was, they'd still be enforcing the same strict regulations regarding used games, and making us sign into Xbox Live even to play games that didn't have any online features"

"Sony aren't against DRM, and it's safe to assume that its exclusion from the PlayStation 4 wasn't due to some sense of morality, but rather due to them wanting to beat the Xbox One."

"I can understand the reasoning of those who do not purchase an Xbox One because of its previous policies, and I envy its righteousness."

I hear ya, but it seems like the author wants it both ways. To be assumptive and critical of a console without facts, only to justify the excited feeling about what they wanted in the first place [The X1] is wholly hypocritical. I say to the author, "Look if you wanted it don't wrap it up in an article veiled in fanboy mumbo jumbo... just come out and say you're excited MS reversed itself and you want to feel good about that now and want your readers to know it as well."

There's nothing wrong with liking whatever you want, but the premise from which the author writes is a bit disingenuous to say the least.

MS is making things better before the console launches. Opting in what indie devs and consumers want.

People don't like the idea of Kinect being in the box that's ok that's their opinion. In My opinion its a great idea.

All you you have to do is look at what happened with the 360 when Kinect got introduced later. Kinect this and Kinect that, Hardcore games were present but no new Ip's were around because MS heavily invested into Kinect and the casual market.

It may seem like a bad Idea now. But in the future it'll be standard purchase with the console.

Other than that, yeah, its cool to get excited about it. Why wouldn't it be?

The real question is 'Should you forgive MS?'. If you like their exclusives and some of the Kinect features, then of course it's fine to be excited for XB1.

MS' decisions are open for scrutiny, but the responsibility lies on the few execs and higher ups that allow it. Their job is to know that the reaction would be as bad as it is. I chose not to forgive. Their execs don't seem in touch to me. People like Yusuf, 'Major Nelson', and old Don have always annoyed me.

Of course. I'm excited about it. I'm not getting it until next year but I still like some of the games they have and the fun I had with my friends on XBL. Titanfall and Forza look great to me!

But to let that excitement lead you to relentlessly belittle someone else's purchasing decision, as if you are directly affected by it? Nah, that's not okay, and I mean this for both sides of this (ridiculous) 'war'. Some people really get their panties in a bunch about this stuff, and I don't think it's healthy lol.

maybe the AAs in the controller still that is one thing that upsets me the innovate the system and kinect but not the power of the controller .... really cone on ms..... even my phone from 1990 doesnt use battery's

It's cool that Microsoft did all these 180s its literally actually turning into a war between them and Sony now.

But like I have said this whole time, I'm still waiting to buy an x1 to see If they actually support the system with core exclusives years to come and see how they treat the consumer before making a buying judgment.

i was excited in may, i was excited after E3, i was excited durign the DRM drama, i was excited after the DRM reversal, i was excited during comic con and NOW I'M TOO FRICKING EXCITED ABOUT XBOX ONE!! CAN'T WAIT

I'm the same dude.. I was pumped for x1 in may.. The day after e3 myself and a coworker went and preordered it..

I was all for the original x1.. Haven't been without internet in a decade and despise GameStop. Seemed like the console was made for me..

And I haven't second guessed my decision even once.. Not because of blind faith, but because I understood the point of it all and 99.9% of complaints could be debunked or be boiled down to a personal preference

I've been excited since they dropped the DRM and used game nonsense since as a gamer those were the only policies that seemed aimed against me.
The self publishing is an added bonus but wasn't a deal breaker for me.
If they bring back family sharing it will be an even bigger bonus but nothing I can't live without.

I was excited before the reveal. After the reveal I was turned off by the DRM/always on. The TV features didn't really turn me off, although I wondered WTH MS was doing at their reveal. Since the 180, they are back on my radar, but I've been very skeptical and critical of them. The "dev-kit" stuff though means I will get one probably when that rolls out since I program for video games and like to tinker heavily with that stuff. I imagine though the "dev-kit" stuff won't be quite what some people are making it out to be though, but if it's what I'm thinking it will be then it's still pretty cool.

Otherwise, I wouldn't never tell anyone to buy one. I would try to discourage them before the 180, because I found those to just be bad policies that actually affected gamers and the industry in a bad way IMO.

For the time being I"m holding onto the money I have saved up for it. Dev-kit possibilities have me really excited for GamesCon.

I know I am! I have been waiting patiently to see what MS has in store for their next console. With the dropping of the DRM this console is shaping up to be the best yet. And in time it'll only get better.

I am really excited to see what devs can do with the Kinect 2. Lets hope that they can really incorporate some great ideas and enhance the gameplay.

Excited I was for the xbox one up until e3 Which I felt was a disgrace. then I stuck aroundfor the ps4 and I was like wow I want One,but then most of the people I know are getting the one so I changed my mind but then I thought Na that's not a reason to buy something so I went back to the ps4,and im sticking with it,but xbox one will still be good but for me not as good add ps4