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LOL. You really hate Shirley, don't you? Shirley does need a wack for screaming out Euphemia's name. But really, it was pretty stupid of Euphie to go out with such a horrible "disguise" to begin with. They're all very silly imho.

It's not as if they're just pushing it aside though. :/
It's serious because it's throwing EVERYONE's objectives out of whack (for lack of a more captivating way to say it).

no no, certainly not.

I didn't mean that they weren't taking Euphie seriously, it's just that none of them think Euphie's plan is going to work like she intends it too.

I certainly agree with you whole heartedly that everyone is severly freaked out by this plan. >:3

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Originally Posted by kira-sama

btw i don't understand why diethard command sayoko to know true identity of lulu
was he know lulu is zero?

from what I got, Diethard had previously assigned Sayoko to keep tabs on Kallen (probably after she became 0 squad leader) and to try and figure out who Zero was. now, he tells her that she doesn't have to worry about Kallen anymore, and should just focus on the original assignment to find out Zero's identity.

so no, Diethard still doesn't know who Zero is, and judging from Sayoko's appearances so far, I still don't think she's even suspected Lelouch. :\

Shirley appears to be an annoying character, but her character makes the situation more interesting. She is really pitiable considering that she is left with no recollection of this person who apparently murdered her father, and whom she seemed (from her perspective) to have a close relationship with. And besides, it's all karma.

During the scene where Schneizel approved Euphemia's idea of a Special Zone really easily. This is what he actually says after Euphie showed him the documents:

Schneizel: This idea is really wonderful!
Schneizel: You should go do what you truly believe in!
Schneizel: I will speak to Cornelia about it for you.

BTW, this is before he meets up with Cornelia and the rest of his knights. So when he did meet with Cornelia, he DID NOT mention anything about Euphie's Special Zone idea. Which is why Cornelia had such a big ZOMGWTFBBQ reaction to Euphie's announcement.

So yeah, I agree with all those who said there are alarms ringing all over the place when it comes to Schneizel.

Spoiler:

We already know from spoilers that there will be some sort of big attack at the ceremony when they are officially sanctioning the Special Zone. But it did not say who is initiating it, could be Brittania or the Black Knights. I even wouldn't be surprised if Orange-kun was the one that triggers it. I just hope that Euphie won't meet her demise at the hands of Lelouch

Shirley appears to be an annoying character, but her character makes the situation more interesting. She is really pitiable considering that she is left with no recollection of this person who apparently murdered her father, and whom she seemed (from her perspective) to have a close relationship with. And besides, it's all karma.

wonder if she's going to be able to put 2 and 2 together and figure out that Lelouch is an imperial prince.

lord things would get complicated for her then.

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This episode was somewhat disappointing, i was expecting some more action, and more revelations.

what, you mean other than Euphie's master plan? or the fact Sayoko's been working for Diethard? or Nunnally meeting Diethard again? oh, and now Lu and Kallen know about Ougixsome girl (Villetta), that'll be fun later.

My god, I didn't expect much from the episode, being a pizza comedy one...
but man story advanced! And lots of great development too.
We get to see the Granstone Knights, glimpse of Ornage, Sayako-san's true identity, Viletta and Ougi, Euphie, C.C.'s pizza , everything you could ask for were packed in this episode. A first 10/10 from me in long time.

Btw, those worrying about Infinite Ryvius...
IMO, Ryvius is still the best anime Taniguchi has ever made, IMO.
Don't worry, it's one of the best Sci-Fi anime ever.

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Originally Posted by ashlay

from what I got, Diethard had previously assigned Sayoko to keep tabs on Kallen (probably after she became 0 squad leader) and to try and figure out who Zero was. now, he tells her that she doesn't have to worry about Kallen anymore, and should just focus on the original assignment to find out Zero's identity.

so no, Diethard still doesn't know who Zero is, and judging from Sayoko's appearances so far, I still don't think she's even suspected Lelouch. :\

Diethard said nothing to Sayoko about finding out who Zero is.
What he said, is that in time he'll introduce her to Zero, so until then stay in the Britanian settlement as a spy.

We already know from spoilers that there will be some sort of big attack at the ceremony when they are officially sanctioning the Special Zone. But it did not say who is initiating it, could be Brittania or the Black Knights. I even wouldn't be surprised if Orange-kun was the one that triggers it. I just hope that Euphie won't meet her demise at the hands of Lelouch

Spoiler:

One of the spoilers from the magazines specifically says that after this event goes down it's the Japanese that are furious with Britannia. So that makes me think that whatever tragic event happens will be against the Japanese. Not sure who'll initiate it. My guess is either Schneizel sets up a trap for the Black Knights and they in turn retaliate or Lelouch starts it off somehow...perhaps geassing a Britannian into attacking the Japanese guests at the ceremony. All I know is that it's going to be messy. Poor Euphie will be stuck in the middle of all this chaos, but I don't think she will die.

Such a wonderful episode if you ask me. Plenty happened in episode 21 --- which shows that Goro already has plenty of plans for the second season.

Spoiler for Episode 21:

The school festival starts with a kick start, thanks to the wonderful Nunnally, and her nyaa. The loud noise from the festival wakes up C.C. --- who has three Chess-kun plushie's! Oh, and Lelouch is the head man of the festival. :3

We see Villetta & Ogi walking outside, which ends up the two standing outside the festival entrance. He thinks about bringing her to the hospital, though doing something like that could end up being to dangerous for him. Oh --- plenty of bonus point for Villetta looking amazingly cute, and the two making a great couple. :3

Kallen tries to kill Suzaku again, though Suzaku tells Kallen that they should keep school matters away from the battle field. She agree's. Also, i love Lelouch's face as he enters the room.

Kallen is told to go work in the horror house, as a monster.. scaring people. Guess which couple comes in --- oh, its Villetta & Ogi!

Cecile is playing a smack & hammer game --- which makes her look extremely cute. Also, thats how Lelouch gets hit on the head with the hammer we seen in the preview last week, very funny scene --- especially the noise from the hammer! C.C. dressed in school uniform appears behind him --- does that mean Cecile has seen C.C.? She sees her for the first time.

Schneizel flatters Cornelia! Squee --- just what i've been waiting for, another side to Cornelia. Though i wish she was at the festival. Also, we get to see her new Knightmare frame pilots. I see capes on those frames!

Eeeeeee, we get a flash scene of Jeremiah (Orange-kun) in a container. That makes sense seeing as he's half mech in the recent OP video. He's looking nice & badarse as usual. They are making Orange Juice and Jeremiah is the SECRET INGREDIENT.

Lelouch hides with C.C. in a warehouse, though that was also Kallen's plan along with Ogi & Villetta.
Lelouch see's them, though they don't see C.C.

Euphie appears at the festival, though in disguise. While walking she bumps into none other then Nunnally.

Back at the almighty warehouse, Suzaku & Shirley enter! C.C. mentions that Lelouch could Geass them, though he already has to half of them. :3 --- no one gets exposed after a lil' bang & smash, though Villetta & Ogi get away without being seen by Shirley or Suzaku. Also, Shirley wanted to ask Lelouch about the letter, oh you know which one i mean.

Euphie & Nunnally have a talk over a cup of tea. Interesting scene with another insert song in the background. They go for a walk, and bump into Lelouch

A lot of people/11's appear to see Suzaku in a frame, thats making one hell of a large Pizza.

Lelouch, Nunnally & Euphie are resting on top of the stairs --- a very important scene if you ask me. It shows the three together, just like Euphie mentioned in episode 19. Anyway, Euphie's hat blows away, and Shirley shouts out her name. Everyone hears. Suzaku who is spinning the almost made giant Pizza, the frenzy of people make him drop the pizza, it lands on top of a tree --- which doesn't make C.C. all that happen. A genius lol scene if you ask me. **HAPPY** and we see C.C. worst nightmare come true.

Diethard walks out of the radio van to talk to Sayoko (the maid). He hired her to help find Zero make when Jeremiah & Villetta had him look into it. He also mentioned that he'll introduce her to Zero pretty soon. Wow, cant wait to see this happen.

Euphie explains her plan to everyone: The Special Zone, in which everyone can live happily together. Of course Lelouch isn't to happy --- we see more wonderful angry faces from him, priceless. Now Lacusu is going to die!!!!**oops** Euphemia is going to die!!!

So yeah, i loved this episode for just about everything that happened. :3

It's stuff like this that keep me interested in shows like Geass even after they've jumped the shark. There's still potential here, but it seems like it's just getting pissed away.

There's still TONS of ways this show could go. I'm not exactly sure what is being pissed away, since Geass has not been revealed at all, and several key players have yet to be introduced. And they're baiting us real well into believing that the conflict is already calming down, when many many things could go wrong.

And Sayoko becoming involved doesn't really change anything; there's already plenty of people trying to figure out or have already figured out Zero's identity.

A very ambiguous answer betrays a vague and unclear mind. What, exactly, do you mean by "go"? My initial impresson of Geass was that it was a shounen "rags to riches" story with a mecha flavour, but now it's been overburden with a ton of romantic filler we've been told with never bear fruit and the plot frequently repeats itself or goes in a complete circle.

In December, I said Geass was the best anime of 2006/2007. Now it's not even worthy enough to be flushed down the toilets of Studio Deen; the plot is riddled with outrageous implausible events that seem only possible by relying on coincidence or plot armour, the supreme idiocy of certain characters and the iron-hard sterotypes only serve to aggravate an intelligent or experienced viewer.

At this point, Geass has become more of a joke/harem love-dove show than an actual epic depicting a young man bearing his own revolutionary arms and seeking revenge. Lelouch himself is the only saving grace of this show thus far; everything focusing around him and his reactions to everything around him are downright fascinating, and without him Geass would be a diarrhaetic travesty.

This is why it would be natural for me to be pleased with the "Sayoko being close to Zero all along but not knowing who he is only to learn his identity and Lelouch and Sayoko experience flushes of surprise"; it's easily potential awesome for Lelouch, and Sayoko as well; she's my favourite character.

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I'm not exactly sure what is being pissed away, since Geass has not been revealed at all, and several key players have yet to be introduced. And they're baiting us real well into believing that the conflict is already calming down, when many many things could go wrong.

Geass was originally pitched as a ladder-climb; Lelouch killing Clovis was the first rung, and controlling all of Japan the final rung before switching ladders. Right now, Lelouch's climb has slowed so much it's implausible that he'll just jump nine or ten rungs up to "conquest of Japan"; Cornelia is still alive, his allies are growing uneasy, Schneizel has arrived, he's got personal problems that are trivial from the world's perspective, and he's letting those problems affect his vertical progression.

In sum, the short has stagnated, or "dragged". A LOT. Nothing feels epic anymore and even Zero's theatrics have died down, such that a lot of the mysterious/enigmatic appeal to the character have been deflated by his mundane and clumsy reactions/movements.

Right now, I couldn't care for C.C.'s past, Shirley, Suzaku, or Euphemia; I want to see Lelouch primarily and have the lives of those other characters be secondary, not central. CG is Lelouch's story; he is the main character. By promoting people like Suzaku and Euphemia to main character status, the focus on Lelouch has dulled and now the series feels so utterly superficial/contrived it's chocking the entertainment sector of my brain.

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The show is still fabulous.

I'm going to attempt to break down "fabulous" into bullet points so that you can elaborate. My questions included below are not meant to be leading.

1. How is Geass ground-breaking?
2. If not ground-breaking, how does Geass improve on established stock situations/characters?
3. Is the artwork original/refreshing? Explain.
4. Is the sound-track original/refreshing? On what basis are these attributes founded on?
5. What of the voice acting? Can you draw comparisons?
6. Describe the animation quality; do you feel it to be higher than other shows? If so, which?