What I mean is, do the Giants want to go with Barden and Randle on the outside while Cruz is likely doubled in the slot? Or should the Giants leave Cruz out wide (Like he is in 2 receiver sets), use Jernigan in the slot (where he's better suited) and use either Barden or Randle as the #2...

What your thoughts on this?

slipknottin

09-19-2012, 07:45 PM

It is much more difficult to double a player in the slot. Can bracket a guy underneath, but need a safety over the top still.

giantsfan420

09-19-2012, 07:48 PM

we'll prob see a bunch a diff personnel looks

titwio

09-19-2012, 07:48 PM

It is much more difficult to double a player in the slot. Can bracket a guy underneath, but need a safety over the top still.

Yeah I should have said bracket...like the 9ers did in the playoffs. The thing that I'm worried about is having two guys out wide who have very little NFL experience (Barden and Randle)

Wouldn't it be wise to leave Cruz out wide and use Jernigan in the slot?

OX1

09-19-2012, 07:53 PM

I think they should line up and cross over each other often with cruz being in either spot
(like nicks and cruz did in dallas game I believe). That way they don't know who will end up in the slot.
Cruz could end up one on one at least occasionally, and that is all he needs.

DownWitJPP

09-19-2012, 07:53 PM

I think they will sprinkle in some JJ in the slot..I was thinking the same thing. They are prob gonna use all 4 receivers this week with different looks

Barden Cruz Randle

Randle Cruz Barden

Randle Jernigan Cruz

slipknottin

09-19-2012, 07:56 PM

I think both Randle and Barden are more comfortable in the offense than Jernigan is.

Jernigan still, IMO, has awhile before he is comfortable.

titwio

09-19-2012, 08:03 PM

We haven't seen much of Jernigan in the slot with Eli though. Last year in preseason Jernigan played with the two's and three's. This year he played a couple of snaps out wide with Eli.

Might be a different story when he's in the slot with first team. He should be comfortable in that role being he played through his career at Troy...shouldn't hurt that he's in the same receiver meetings with Cruz and watches the guy every day.

I think if he's going to breakout anywhere for this team it's going to be in that role. Maybe now's the time to find out what they have in him. IDK...Just some thoughts that's going through my head right now...Otherwise how do the Giants figure he's going to help this team is what I'm wondering...

Flip Empty

09-19-2012, 10:54 PM

Could see Barden in the slot, they've put him there before

Captain Chaos

09-20-2012, 05:41 AM

JJ had a couple nice catches in the preseason coming out of the slot, I think it will be something that they may try. I hope he gets a couple of opportunities.

GMan-67

09-20-2012, 08:38 AM

the snaps are really up for grabs 2nite, even JJ could get out there make and play and then we might roll with him, nobody is the incumbent #3 .... Barden will get the 1st shot, but I think all will play

jakegibbs

09-20-2012, 08:49 AM

What I mean is, do the Giants want to go with Barden and Randle on the outside while Cruz is likely doubled in the slot? Or should the Giants leave Cruz out wide (Like he is in 2 receiver sets), use Jernigan in the slot (where he's better suited) and use either Barden or Randle as the #2...

What your thoughts on this?

Doesn't Cruz tend to make all his big plays out of the slot? If so leave him there & go with Barden, Jernigan & Randle to open up the seams for Cruz. Jernigan & Randle can pull the extra safety & Barden can beat anyone on the slant with his size. Main thing is no drops or tips see the ball catch the ball no mistakes.

Redeyejedi

09-20-2012, 09:14 AM

What I mean is, do the Giants want to go with Barden and Randle on the outside while Cruz is likely doubled in the slot? Or should the Giants leave Cruz out wide (Like he is in 2 receiver sets), use Jernigan in the slot (where he's better suited) and use either Barden or Randle as the #2...

What your thoughts on this?Cruz is the best slot receiver in the NFL right now, I think he should stay where he is. I think Randle should be out there but my guess it will be Barden,

Kruunch

09-20-2012, 09:26 AM

What I mean is, do the Giants want to go with Barden and Randle on the outside while Cruz is likely doubled in the slot? Or should the Giants leave Cruz out wide (Like he is in 2 receiver sets), use Jernigan in the slot (where he's better suited) and use either Barden or Randle as the #2...

What your thoughts on this?

The Panthers (presumably) will roll coverage towards Cruz no matter where he plays, so he might as well play to this strength which is his YAC (thus slot). However he's made big plays from both the slot and the wide positions.

On the flip side, it's (usually) much easier for younger receivers to play the wide. Less route options and you can utilize their fresh legs. The downside here is that Barden is slow and JJ can't catch.

I'd like to see RR on the outside and I think Bennett and Hynoski will see a lot of balls come their way.

fansince69

09-20-2012, 09:37 AM

The Panthers (presumably) will roll coverage towards Cruz no matter where he plays, so he might as well play to this strength which is his YAC (thus slot). However he's made big plays from both the slot and the wide positions.

On the flip side, it's (usually) much easier for younger receivers to play the wide. Less route options and you can utilize their fresh legs. The downside here is that Barden is slow and JJ can't catch.

I'd like to see RR on the outside and I think Bennett and Hynoski will see a lot of balls come their way.

I have seen him muff 3 punts...I have NEVER seen him drop a pass ...I am wondering what you are basing this bashing on?Guess some people just have to make stuff up to make their point

miked1958

09-20-2012, 09:41 AM

we'll prob see a bunch a diff personnel looksThis

Kruunch

09-20-2012, 10:03 AM

I have seen him muff 3 punts...I have NEVER seen him drop a pass ...I am wondering what you are basing this bashing on?Guess some people just have to make stuff up to make their point

Watch the games if you want to see what I'm talking about.

Duh.

fansince69

09-20-2012, 10:12 AM

Watch the games if you want to see what I'm talking about.

Duh.

Maybe you should try some of your own advice....I saw him catch 4 balls in preseason.....the only ball I didn't see him catch was an obvious pass interference... I have never seen him drop a ball ...so as I said...don't make **** up to prove some dumb opinion....he obviously can catch ...he has...Btw unless you are like 65 years old I can promise I have watched many many more games than you

Giant_Chief1976

09-20-2012, 10:13 AM

What I mean is, do the Giants want to go with Barden and Randle on the outside while Cruz is likely doubled in the slot? Or should the Giants leave Cruz out wide (Like he is in 2 receiver sets), use Jernigan in the slot (where he's better suited) and use either Barden or Randle as the #2...

What your thoughts on this?

I have a feeling CAR is going to have Cruz under wraps because they know the others are unproven. I like the idea of having Barden and RR on the outsides and maybe putting Cruz in motion a lot to prevent CAR from getting their hands on him to quickly.

Fharcyde

09-20-2012, 04:17 PM

I think of the healthy receivers we have now, Cruz and Jernigan are two of the more natural slot receivers. I'm sure Jernigan will get into the mix tonight and hopefully he can make a splash. I'm not expecting much out of him though as I already have BUST stamped on him.

fansince69

09-20-2012, 04:20 PM

I think of the healthy receivers we have now, Cruz and Jernigan are two of the more natural slot receivers. I'm sure Jernigan will get into the mix tonight and hopefully he can make a splash. I'm not expecting much out of him though as I already have BUST stamped on him.

which makes sense ...call a guy a bust when hes basically at the end of his first year

Easy E.

09-20-2012, 04:23 PM

which makes sense ...call a guy a bust when hes basically at the end of his first year

What has he done that makes you so confident in him?

Fharcyde

09-20-2012, 04:28 PM

which makes sense ...call a guy a bust when hes basically at the end of his first year
Sorry I wasn't a fan of the pick since draft day. He seems like more of a return specialist than anything and he can't even handle those duties.

fansince69

09-20-2012, 04:32 PM

What has he done that makes you so confident in him?

I've mentioned this a couple times in different threads......The last practice at Albany this year ....he stole the show....11 on 11 drills he caught at least 7-8 balls...one was a 70 yd TD that he had 6-7 yards on whoever was covering him...he is electric ...he quick and he is fast...everyone on here sees the punt he muffed...they didn't see the 4 balls he caught and the one he left 3-4 guys in their tracks?

has he done much tangible that joe smo on here can point to and drool over? no what i see it the talent that he really just hasn't gotten to display because of the talent at WR

Kruunch

09-20-2012, 04:44 PM

I've mentioned this a couple times in different threads......The last practice at Albany this year ....he stole the show....11 on 11 drills he caught at least 7-8 balls...one was a 70 yd TD that he had 6-7 yards on whoever was covering him...he is electric ...he quick and he is fast...everyone on here sees the punt he muffed...they didn't see the 4 balls he caught and the one he left 3-4 guys in their tracks?

has he done much tangible that joe smo on here can point to and drool over? no what i see it the talent that he really just hasn't gotten to display because of the talent at WR

2011 Stats:

Targeted: 2
Receptions: 0
Games Played: 8

His most notable contribution to the Giants so far has been to fumble a punt.

That's why no one is high on him (except you of course).

P.S. - Preseason doesn't mean squat ... just ask Sinorice Moss.

fansince69

09-20-2012, 04:58 PM

2011 Stats:

Targeted: 2
Receptions: 0
Games Played: 8

His most notable contribution to the Giants so far has been to fumble a punt.

That's why no one is high on him (except you of course).

P.S. - Preseason doesn't mean squat ... just ask Sinorice Moss.

whatever...guess we wait and see...anyone with a brain wouldn't be judging him or calling him a bust yet....Ive expressed my thoughts....I see his talent...you've expressed yours....now we wait and see whose right ....I won't judge him at least till next year...Many WRs don't do anything for couple years

Easy E.

09-20-2012, 05:22 PM

I've mentioned this a couple times in different threads......The last practice at Albany this year ....he stole the show....11 on 11 drills he caught at least 7-8 balls...one was a 70 yd TD that he had 6-7 yards on whoever was covering him...he is electric ...he quick and he is fast...everyone on here sees the punt he muffed...they didn't see the 4 balls he caught and the one he left 3-4 guys in their tracks?

has he done much tangible that joe smo on here can point to and drool over? no what i see it the talent that he really just hasn't gotten to display because of the talent at WR

I'm not saying he's a bust but that's just practice, not full speed. He seems to drop things more when there is more physicality like in a game.

Btw...miffed punt? I think you forgot an "s" at the end of punt. Hate him as a returner.

fansince69

09-20-2012, 05:26 PM

I'm not saying he's a bust but that's just practice, not full speed. He seems to drop things more when there is more physicality like in a game.

Btw...miffed punt? I think you forgot an "s" at the end of punt. Hate him as a returner.

I was referring to the ONE punt he dropped this year.....we will wait and see...

giantsfan420

09-20-2012, 05:46 PM

i too feel JJ could be a viable, legitimate threat in this league for us.

Why dont so many understand that we have 2 bonafide studs, and last yr we had 3 if u count MM. There just isnt gonna be the opportunities or targets for guys on the depth chart behind Nicks n Cruz. With Hixn out, we FINALLY have a legit opportunity for Barden, what 1 chance in 4 yrs? and it certainly never stops anyone from ragging on barden.
If nothing else, cruz should be the perfect reminder of not judging a guy too quickly.

fansince69

09-20-2012, 05:47 PM

i too feel JJ could be a viable, legitimate threat in this league for us.

Why dont so many understand that we have 2 bonafide studs, and last yr we had 3 if u count MM. There just isnt gonna be the opportunities or targets for guys on the depth chart behind Nicks n Cruz. With Hixn out, we FINALLY have a legit opportunity for Barden, what 1 chance in 4 yrs? and it certainly never stops anyone from ragging on barden.
If nothing else, cruz should be the perfect reminder of not judging a guy too quickly.

Thank you....someone else gets it...this is all I have been trying to say...too early too judge

DownWitJPP

09-20-2012, 05:50 PM

Sorry I wasn't a fan of the pick since draft day. He seems like more of a return specialist than anything and he can't even handle those duties. return specialist? have you seen anything this kid has done in college? go pull up some tape on him real quick on youtube. I know youtube isn't the best tape on players, but thats all we have to work with.

For u guys to be calling him a bust before he's even played any meaningful plays in the NFL is uneducated. Go do some homework on players before you start throwing around labels.. This is only his second year and last year he was thrown the ball maybe twice. You don't have to label players busts because they don't see playing time, in this situation he doesn't see the field because Cruz is a star..but with so many injuries we might finally get a chance to see what this kid can do tonight.

If we didn't have Cruz (who is one of the best slot receivers in the NFL) Jernigan most likely would be starting in the slot

giantsfan420

09-20-2012, 06:01 PM

and it just escapes me. the posters who use the "you think you know more than the coaches" or "I trust the coaches know what they're doing and they know more than any of us" statements the most are the same ones calling Barden and JJ busts when the coaches CLEARLY are keeping them around for a reason, DESPITE not showing those reasons on gameday...so which is it, do u trust the coaches with something like player evaluations or are the armchair GMs here suddenly qualified enough to go ahead and throw away said "busts"

fansince69

09-20-2012, 06:02 PM

and it just escapes me. the posters who use the "you think you know more than the coaches" or "I trust the coaches know what they're doing and they know more than any of us" statements the most are the same ones calling Barden and JJ busts when the coaches CLEARLY are keeping them around for a reason, DESPITE not showing those reasons on gameday...so which is it, do u trust the coaches with something like player evaluations or are the armchair GMs here suddenly qualified enough to go ahead and throw away said "busts"