>>112625708Given his talks with Yoshimura, Touka, and Hide, I don't think he's going to give up his human side. He keeps getting reamed and tries to throw more of his humanity away, but it doesn't seem to be working at all. Maybe now instead of trying to be "human" or "ghoul", he'll try out half-ghoul.

>>112625830That doesnt mean "something" can happen that forces Arima to not finish him off.He could be sent to ghoul jail or saved by some other ghoul(s) or Arima could just fuckoff thinking hes finished him off or w/e.

Just because he COULD be dead doesnt mean you should be spouting "HES DEAD HES DEAD" like gospel.

>>112626084Well, Him being mad at humanity might have been a misinterpretation of his actions, He attacked CCG not groups of normal people.There might be something at the underbelly of CCG. And that bloke from V told yoshimura that Aogiri came and fucked up the balance that they have been maintaining

>>112626176We don't know if he can see though that.depending on the stages that mask covers his whole face blocking the other two..

>>112625830Why would Ishida kill off Kaneki in such a pathetic way? Kaneki didn't even get the chance to fight back properly and got rekt like a bitch. I doubt that you can even call this a "fight". It was total rape.

Kaneki being killed off like THIS would be just stupid and it would fuck up the whole story. He would die without any achievements and without any answered questions. No other character in this manga would be able to take his place as the MC. Kaneki's character basically made everyone love this series and he's absolute nr. 1 in the jap. popularity polls.

Why are there so many Ukaku and the Quinque made from them have stupid crazy powers like lightning or being a cannon. birds greatly out number every other type.Was any one eles tail bone other than Orca, Nishio, the bin brothers, and devil ape?Goes for rinkaku, Who other than Rize, Rize hybrids including Keneki, Yamori, and Hinami's dad?

>>112628213Re-read the explanation, the type advantage is much more than just "how well they fight against each other", it's clearly said that the "secretion of a kagune work like a strong poison against the type they're strong against.

A ghoul investigator should not show compassion to any ghoul, it would get them kill. Amon would know this form experienced when he fought that old lady ghoul. The moment he showed compassion to her she was going to kill him, if weren't for Mado saving his ass. It probably from that experience that Amon did not show any to compassion to Hinami or her mother.

>>112628380I do agree the mindset is understandable, that's why Kaneki going for their quinques surprises them so much, but the reverse is also true. A ghoul should never show compassion to an investigator, because they will hunt them and their children down without remorse. It ends up as a no-prisoners bloodbath.

>>112628847>Who has his B one?Hirako. The guy he told 41 to again Yomo, was the main reason Irimi got fucked up, and overall considered-weak-but-is-actually-pretty-strong. Irimi considered him above the associate special class that she was fighting, at least.

>>112629976>Jason is ranked S in the animeAlso to be fair, the investigators never actually saw Jason go half-kagune. They just considered it a possibility. He might have been upgraded to SS if they did see it, like Kaneki.

>>112630357To be fair, we never saw Kaneki well fed as he survived on sugar cubes for nearly 60 chapters until Yamori pretty much lovingly fed him giant nutritious slabs of human meat constantly. Making Kaneki strong enough to catch him off guard and start chomping on Yamori himself, which in effect made him even more powerful.

I doubt Yamori was eating a lot when he was having so much fun torturing Kaneki, he probably skipped meals trying to break him.

>>112630914Just seems completely out of league compared to shit like Kaneki's 6 giant tentacles, or both Owl's "ukaku"s. Not sure if I'd call Noro's better or not. Not entirely sure if Noro's even a bikaku or what.

>>112630521>, Yoshimura was the only exceptionI disagree, he was probably a bit tired after cleaning the mooks, he didn't shoot his projectiles even once against the Shinohara and Co and that was probably the motive that they sent the mooks in the first place, Houji, Koori and Suzuya would be royalty fucked against his projectiles.

>>112631821I think you're expecting too much from a guy who initially joined up in order to eat Kaneki. He's a sword in the same way Banjou's a shield. In any case, they'd probably be dead by this point if they had gone with him.

>>112627449They could probably surgically reattach limbs without reducing their capabilities in that world though. I also wouldn't be surprised if there was some type of super-drug created after studying ghouls that could accelerate regeneration.

>>112631983Really? Tsukiyama has been shown to sacrifice a lot just for Keneki; that whole scene in chapter 128 shows how desperate he is. It would be weird if he didn't appear at all to save Keneki, somehow.

>>112632479I don't disagree; he's changed a lot. Still, I don't think his self-sacrifice extends to getting skewered by Arima or caught by the CCG. He's a bit sensitive too, so it's possible he's still dejected over Kaneki's certain death and won't do anything more.

>>112635468>Keneki's now has tiny claws.That's nothing special. Several quinques can shapeshift, so it's assumed that the people they were made from could somewhat freely change the shape of their kagune. Making long insect legs with quasi-hands at the end really isn't too impressive.

>>112635468No, that's his centipede, which only comes out when he's totally off his rocker.Towards the end of the Arima fight they re-condensed into his traditional 4-6 tentacles as he regained his sanity only to get stabbed through his human eye.

>>112636134Yeah, Shinohara said something about him having multiple kakuhou, but we don't know where they are, and his first and main rinkaku that he's been using up to this point was the one that got stabbed right fucking through.

>>112635468>>112635610What ever happened to the part where it's explained that the shape of a ghoul's kagune can be manipulated by their mental state?The reason Ken has those fingers on his kagune isn't because it's his centipede, it's because that's what he's manipulating his kagune to do so it can pull out Arima's quinque.

>>112636454Yes, a ghoul can consciously influence the shape of his kagune to some degree, but not nearly with the dexterity that Kaneki shows with the hands on the centipede. Show me a frame where he has hands on his ordinary rinkaku.

>>112637327This page confirms that Hide let Kaneki eat, but the only question left is how much.Notice how Hide's words are associated with the checkerboards, with order.Then you have the Ainu poem juxtaposed with the "naturality" of the flowers.

Hide's world is what we call normality, while the blood and death is the world's natural state.

>>112637452>>112637615Checkerboard's also associated with Jason's torture and eating Rize, though. I assumed it was for something along those lines, such as eating Hide or having been stabbed through the brain.

>>112637758No, you only see the checkerboard in Kaneki's moments of relative sanity in this last arc. The flowers sprout when he loses his grip on reality. When the floor is plain, we're seeing things through Arima's perspective

I think checkerboards are meant to represent an unnatural forced dichotomy between black and white or good and bad. Yamori's rape shack within the cage made it clear as day to Kaneki that there are bad eggs.Kanou says that this world within the cage is fundamentally wrong. Rize describes ghouls being held back by a cage of rules. Rules are morality; they are unnatural, thus the man-made checkerboard pattern.

I guess the flowers are meant to represent the more natural state of the world, which is senseless blood and death. The description of the Ainu who preceded the Japanese could be another support of that.

>>112638069That's true to an extent, but that actually isn't the only time we see it. The most prolific use is on Yamori's torture room floor, since it's actually there. Almost every page has at least one panel with it. Sometimes it reappears, but the one I most remember (and the only one I have saved) is this one, the call back to him eating Rize. There's something to be said for symbolism like you suggest, but the foremost event that pressed the image into his head was personal and traumatic. Of course, there's nothing saying it can't have multiple meanings.

>>112638425I think that despite her lack of any regard for authority, Rize's edict that the strong do what they will with the weak is as stark and inflexible as the rules she so flaunts. That belief is something she shares with Yamori, and later Kaneki.

>>112638737>YamoriIt's not just Yamori and Rize; nearly everyone has preached it to him. Nishiki, Tsukiyama, Ayato, Touka—basically everyone but the adult Anteiku group and Hinami have told him strength is what he needs. Even Banjou goes on about how he wishes he was strong.

>>112638620And now he has up to eight, and while six they can get massive. Rize would be proud.I can't wait till he uses his centipede to scrape her uterus of raven cum and worm it's way into her ovaries.

>>112638620>What do you mean his kagune changed with Yamori?What? I said that it change by the time he fought Yamori.

>That was just the first instance of him being able to fully control his four limbbs.

Not only that, all other three times he used the Kagune the only difference was size/number, after the torture even the coloration changed and it was looking more like a spider legs when he was eating Yamori for example. That's probably because of the "A ghoul kagune change with the user subconscious" thing.

Another examples, look at chapter 66 page 15 and chapter 26 page 13, the difference in shape/coloration is considerable.

>>112638894>he has up to eightthat's the centipede, which he does not have control of yet - only comes out when he's cracked>stabs banjou>th-this is what I get for using a power I can't controlIt's like how he was with his original Kagune all over again.>Rize would be proud.She's be fucking terrified.

I have this power fantasy where she manages to escape Yomo and rampage around the 20th ward until Kaneki decides to put a stop to it. Imagine her face when she realizes the once frail Kaneki could wipe the floor with her like a mop.

>>112639204leaning more towards being saved, i don't see him becoming disabled i just can't see the author taking that way with the main character...... but any other character is fair game at this point.

>>112639073No, the centipede is one massive tentacle with breaching legs and he also grows a mask.It's his Kakuja form, he can't uses his regular tentacles while in it or hasn't chosen to do so.

>which he does not have control of yet - only comes out when he's crackedHe was able to bring it out on will during his 2nd Amon fight.during that form he has trouble controlling himself, not that it comes out when he's stressed.

And Rize would love it.It might remind him of her father's whale tail.Centipede is olev

>>112639461>He was able to bring it out on will during his 2nd Amon fight.Nah, I think that first hit from powered up Amon sent him over the edge into centipede land. Doesn't take much to do that nowadays - you just have to shake his belief that he is supreme. If he weren't crazy at that point, there's no way he would have hurt Amon that much. If he brought it out at will knowing that he had no control over that state, he would not have done that against Amon.>No, the centipede is one massive tentacle with breaching legs and he also grows a mask.It has many forms. I think the key feature that distinguishes it from his regular kagune is that it sprouts from his front, not his back. I don't think the mask is indicative of centipede.

>>112639073>I have this power fantasy where she manages to escape Yomo and rampage around the 20th ward until Kaneki decides to put a stop to it. Imagine her face when she realizes the once frail Kaneki could wipe the floor with her like a mop.Then he rapes her right? Gently scrambling her insides with his centipede.

>>112642156Just look at the raws. All those missing chapters are action with small details like names and abilities. You will miss out Kaneki's dramatic entrance, though.Irimi tells Vash she'll see him in Hell and Vash tells her ghouls don't get anything like that. Then Kaneki shows up and asks if humans do and wrecks his shit. And then proceeds to wreck the 3 other investigators in a 3 on 1 where Kaneki wins with plenty of room for error, without any centipede bullshit.

>>112642765>damsel in distressCan she even be called that.Touka wasn't captured, Ayato covered her ass so she wouldn't get killed. keeps trying to pick fights with people stronger than her.She's being saved from herself getting her dumb ass into dangerous situations.

>>112643907Yes, there are lots of translated manga on torrents, especially if they're complete. The problem is the group who did volume 12 and so on doesn't have a site. Mangatraders is dead and buried.

>>112643945It would have been nice if you let me post the images to keep the translations and image in the same post, you asshat.

>I led me by the hand.>As if to fill the niches in the memories>of my oozing brain fluid,>We kept walking>with no destination in mind.He says "memories" with a plural counter meant for people. Not sure how to make that into English well.

You know I'm impressed that those ragtag group of ghouls who were also trying to escape through V14 could take out the rest of Arima's anti-ghoul squad which had to have been composed of some hard motherfuckers

Animeonly fag here that finally read some source material, I was sure that the guy at the end of the opening was a separate character and a Kaworu clone, but I am pleasantly surprised. Also it's so much better, fuck the adaptation

>>112644814>Wakes up in Ward 24 like Owl did>No idea what's going on or who he is>Everyone shits on him for being a one-eyed ghoul, especially after what Owl had to have done to the placeIgnore the plot hole of who'd toss him there. Haven't thought that far.

Holy hell, I read this as Kaneki no longer needs hand-holding (picture) by the white (his ghoul power), both of his identities are going away (picture) and he's finally at peace (dialogue). This bring back the focus of his split reasoning as part ghoul and part human, truly the Kaneki we know is no more. Sounds like a Neo-Kaneki is coming about, beyond the current whipped arse one that kept on having his initiative taken away. Here is my dumb bet to the Neo-kaneki on an ghoul empire in making!

>>112646029Yeah, I hope he stays somewhat mentally fucked up. One of my favourite things about TG is how unstable Kaneki is. It allows him to be a badass and capable, but still very flawed, interesting and not gary stu.

Also, with all he's been through it just doesn't make sense for him to suddenly be sane.

>>112646261>Also, with all he's been through it just doesn't make sense for him to suddenly be sane.Ever heard of a little thing called a lobotomy? In rare cases, it really did help un-fuck people's brains, and Arima just gave Kaneki a lobotomy. It's not a stretch to say that this fixes him.

>>112658426>he won't even need books anymore.>Hinami can read Kaneki love books, maybe more than his love for breasts. and Hinami can barely read with out tripping over herself on difficult kanji.Those options don't look good.

>>112658900He literally just barely healed from his last wound from Arima thanks to fresh meat. Unless he somehow finds the strength to eat something without getting stabbed 10 more times, he's gonna be blind for a while.

>>112658900I think they'll heal eventually.Tsukiyama had some advantages though. It was a light attack from an ukaku, while koukaku specialize in brushing off that kind of damage. It was also at the beginning of the fight, not after taking down several groups of investigators and getting a chunk of torso destroyed.The real question is how he survives Arima to get to the healing. Plenty of corpses around once Arima's out of the picture.

>>112659456>>112659298We still talking about Tsukiyama?He lost an Arm and the slash was shallow.Not unrecoverable from if your a ghoul.most can survive holes in there stomach if they get some meat before it's to late.

>>112659634I'd watch a sitcom about Kaneki's regular non-ghoul father life.It's got a pretty good cast.Uncle Banjou and his three kidsCreepy Uncle ShuuImouto HinamiI think they also took loser with them.

>>112659813Right, Noro is still freaky. we haven't seen another ghoul auto recover from level of damage. I kind of get the feeling he's strong because of the surplus of human meat he eats. Kind of like the reason Rize was strong. it could be cannibalism, but I'd just like to see different paths.

>>112659805>It can be assumed it's the same type as Nico,Except that Nico only used his kagune to physically close the wound, Banjou's literally secreted some healing gas, the difference is fucking huge.

Also, I will never understand this "Nico is a healer" thing, he only closed the wound with his kagune.

>>112659937>we haven't seen another ghoul auto recover from level of damage.Yoshira's come pretty damn close, the total amount of damage that he regenerated before they took him down was much more than what Noro regenerated in his little fight and the majority of the wound made to Yoshimura was by Koukaku quinque, the type that he's weak against.

>>112659980>he only closed the wound with his kaguneHow does that not count as healing? because they where dead?

there are different kinds of healing, Repair,restore, regen. But they all have the same end.Sort of how Crazy Diamond, Gold Experience, and Foo Fighter were the groups healer but they did it in different ways.And FF wasn't a real healer she just plugged holes with her plankton.

>>112643770Anyone else notice the 7 here? It goes pretty well with what's said in this panel, but I wonder if it might also mean that Kaneki is done fighting alone or if he's going to give it another go.

>>112660964>>112661015>>112661059I have to agree with it looking like a 2, just the bottom part is covered by her ribbon. It's way, way too curved to be a 7. It also fits with what she's saying.>Wisdom

>>112660964http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chariot_%28Tarot_card%29Chariot fits pretty damn perfectly here.I thought something like this would happen from its appearance in 137, but I didn't expect 13's death and resurgence to be quite so literal.

Touka is worst girl. She wanted to kill Kimi even though she just watched Nishiki go through hell and back against Tsukiyama to protect her. I cant stand her. She's not a tsundere, she's just awful. I wish she would be replaced by someone else or killed off completely.