I want to ask you one question again. How did people react to Carl Stokes when he would walk down the streets of Hough or Glennille or someplace on the west side? How did Black people respond to him when they saw him while he was campaigning.

THOMPSON GAINES:

Well they were thrilled! Ah, I, I recall very clearly, ah, we were parading down this particular street with Carl B. Stokes, ah, in the motorcade, and one little Black youngster came up into the crowd and, and he saw Carl Stokes for the first time. And he went screaming, "He's Black, he's Black, he's Black!" And, ah, this was, to me this was what we were trying to do. This, this child represented what we were trying to do to show Black children what, look what you can be if you qualify yourself.