Any comment on the freak hand seen in the picture, before you show
yourself up any further?

I can't shake the (pleasant) feeling that you and Dman are caught by the lunar proverbials!
Your only resorts are ad hominems, because you can't refute the evidence!
If you deny this evidence, clear for all to see, then you are paid disinformation, and the same
goes for thedman and dr.eugenefixer. Do you deny this evidence or confirm that what
we are seeing in the picture regarding her hand is impossible?
Let us see the metal of your medal!

The camera couldn't lie, could it?

The "freak hand" doesn't prove anything. Even if you could conclusively demonstrate that the photo was altered or edited in some way, so what? How
does that prove in any way that the person never existed? You need to PROVE that person is fabricated, not that there exists an altered photo of her.
So far, you've proved nothing.

is from the September memorials and museum.
What possible reason can you offer for a genuine photograph to be altered in such
inexplicable and horrid ways? Wouldn't the family object and be deeply deeply
offended or are you suggesting the family altered it themselves as some sort of joke?
Either way, you are stuck, it seems to me.

So let me guess this straight. Just because it is shown that an official photograph
of a reported 9/11 victim has been faked, it in no way implies that the person themselves
are fake, and that I need to conclusively prove to you that this is the case
before you will entertain the possibility!
Whose side are you on? What would explain such illogical reasoning?
I believe that the onus should be on someone else (i.e. those who are pushing the story)
to now prove to me that she (and all the rest) isn't/aren't fabricated entities in light of this
bizarre and many other similarly bizarre circumstances.

What about the rest of these 9/11 victim dodgy/faked photographs?
Do I have to prove that all these people exist also?

Where is the proper investigation by the appropriate authorities? Where is the
uproar in the media over this clear and obvious BS?
There is none because they are sold out and long have been.
Imagine the 'fake 9/11 victims' was true. In a just world any reporter exposing
this fraud would be applauded and lauded with honours.
In this world they know better than to go there! And some of them
reporters are pretty damn smart!

Millions of Middle-eastern men women and children were murdered on the back
of the 9/11 Official explanation, not to mind the drastic changes brought down upon
the Americans people and indeed the world at large. If there is even the slightest doubt
regarding the veracity of the claims regarding the genuity of the victims, should it not be
investigated thoroughly, openly and honestly?

Not to mention these women's breasts seem suspiciously unnoticeable. Like they accidentally used a man's (fake) body for this shot by mistake.

My theory is that there were real corpses involved in the faking of so many photos. Perhaps the dr. from Bodyworlds exhibits was called upon to
create these frankensteins. Imagine the glee he must have felt at the chance to glue corpses together instead of always only cutting them
apart.

I never said it was fake or altered. You did. The quality is too poor to tell if there is anything funny going on. Personally, I don't believe it was
altered. There's no finger missing. The angle makes it look a little off, but there's no reason to believe it's more than that. Again--you can't
make such judgments without the original quality photo to examine. The other photos of her look perfectly normal.

Regardless, my point stands. IF you could CONCLUSIVELY demonstrate that the photo was altered, you still wouldn't have any sort of proof that the
person is fake. If that were the case 90% of the celebrities you see in magazines must be deemed fake. It's a silly argument, especially considering
all the other evidence of her existence.

You have a far-fetched theory. If you want people to buy it, you need to present some PROOF. You haven't done that. You have no evidence beyond your
subjective speculations.

Zoom in on her right hand.
What the f* is going on there? Did she lose her little finger in an accident?
If so, why show it off in so unnecessary a way in such an 'artistic' picture?

I think the hand looks odd because we're missing some detail due to the degraded resolution. The finger touching her chin is actually her pinky.
It's being bent behind the knuckles of her other fingers. There's nothing wrong with it.

I'm not going to get into the arguement that is in this thread, But I will say---

How does finding the remaims of a person from that day =(equal)= the official story is all of a suddon right and we can all go to sleep knowing
everything is ok now ? Because that does not do it for me .. Sorry.

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Millions of Middle-eastern men women and children were murdered on the back
of the 9/11 Official explanation, not to mind the drastic changes brought down upon
the Americans people and indeed the world at large. If there is even the slightest doubt
regarding the veracity of the claims regarding the genuity of the victims, should it not be
investigated thoroughly, openly and honestly?[/quote

edit on 12-2-2012 by pshea38 because: (no reason given)

You were doing so well and then you go and post this bs. Obviously no-one really died in the Middle East and I am staggered you have not seen the
obvious fakery. Show me a single picture of a supposed middle eastern casualty where I can't make fun of their hair, ears, eyes, whatever.

Notice anything odd about this one?
(clue: She always had her head right on her shoulders, did Karol!)

And what is up with the eyes? The hair? Everything!

And her 'family' submit this in loving memory?

Are we beginning to realise yet?
We were all SUCKERED!

Where's the "evidence" here of something? So you don't like her eyes and her hair? Again--the only thing you lack is PROOF. Subjective inferences
are meaningless.

I must agree with pshea.

Karol's face is off-set too far to the left in relation to the center line of her body where it normally and naturally would meet the center line of
the face and neck.
Tilting the face to the left, doesn't raise the right shoulder muscles to the extent shown in the photo.

The knife-sharp vertical shadow-line on the left side of the sister's face is obviously an impossibility. This doesn't happen in the real world.
Shadows follow the curves of the human body.

Fingers normally only consist of 3 distinct movable sections. On the photo we see 4 sections on the nearest finger. To 'blame' the last section as
being a glued on plastic nail makes no sense, as we see no plastic nails on the other fingers.

Zoom in on her right hand.
What the f* is going on there? Did she lose her little finger in an accident?
If so, why show it off in so unnecessary a way in such an 'artistic' picture?

Well Captain Obvious, she's holding her hair wrapped around her finger and you can see the tip of her finger underneath it. Of course you'll skew any
facts and see what you want to see. You simply completely disregard Occam's Razor and substitute some insane alternate reality where common
sense apparently doesn't exist. People died that day. It's pathetic and disgusting that you disrespect the death of innocents the way you're doing
here. Get a life.

Oh no! her hair is parted in a way in which part of it falls in front of her ear. IMPOSSIBLE! FAKE! I agree with the poster earlier that said you must
have never been close to a female before. They part their hair in all sorts of crazy ways. Take for example this picture of Debra Messing I found
doing a quick search on google for hairstyles. Do you now see how this "impossibility," works out here in reality, and that it's actually completely
possible for some of the hair from 'behind' to fall in front of the ear?

I think Reaxion has it nailed. She is grasping a lock of her hair in her right hand, which is what makes everyting look a bit off -wisps of hair are
causing the "knuckles" that certain bots see.

As usual, it is hard to discern details from an internet photo plucked at random from newspaper sources. As far as I'm concerned, this is case
closed. There is no anomaly in the photo to explain, just compression artifacts and a mendacious Simposter.

pshea38.. i spent more time than I feel I should have trying to see your point of view. Now I ask one more thing from you. I scoured that site up
and down reading how the people are fake, and the images are photo shopped.. but I didn't see one, not 1.. proof, that any photo had been photo
shopped. if you could prove to me, that any of the photos are photo shopped, and I mean prove, not saying her lip looks weird, or eye is crooked..
actual data showing the picture was taken date a, and edited date b.. I will again continue to see your point of view.. but until that happens, I
cannot see your point of view. it doesn't add up.. it isn't logical, regardless how many times the members of that site say its obvious, its not..
so.. please, prove that any photo of the victims, or of the site is photo shopped, besides the pic of the guy standing on the roof showing a boeing,
and besides the devils face..

I never said it was fake or altered. You did. The quality is too poor to tell if there is anything funny going on. Personally, I don't believe it was
altered. There's no finger missing. The angle makes it look a little off, but there's no reason to believe it's more than that. Again--you can't
make such judgments without the original quality photo to examine. The other photos of her look perfectly normal.

Regardless, my point stands. IF you could CONCLUSIVELY demonstrate that the photo was altered, you still wouldn't have any sort of proof that the
person is fake. If that were the case 90% of the celebrities you see in magazines must be deemed fake. It's a silly argument, especially considering
all the other evidence of her existence.

You have a far-fetched theory. If you want people to buy it, you need to present some PROOF. You haven't done that. You have no evidence beyond your
subjective speculations.

I am aware that you know what's going on here, and you are only (politely) doing what
you must. The photos are flawed, the victims are flawed, the whole 9/11 official
explanation is fatally flawed, but nothing is done. The system is rotten.
A picture is worth a thousand words and hopfully anyone reading through this thread
will see through the games.

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