udhq:GoldSpider: udhq: You don't really have free will if one side is allowed to bombard the other side with 15,000 lies per day from birth.

You sound meek, and easily manipulated.

I'm not, but I can't speak for the millions of 3-5 year olds that will sit through dozens of McDonalds ads tomorrow during Saturday morning cartoons without possessing the cognitive tools to know that they are being flat-out lied to.

Which McDonald's ad is lying? Be specific and show your work. Hyperbole isn't a valid argument.

UnspokenVoice:udhq: GoldSpider: udhq: You don't really have free will if one side is allowed to bombard the other side with 15,000 lies per day from birth.

You sound meek, and easily manipulated.

I'm not, but I can't speak for the millions of 3-5 year olds that will sit through dozens of McDonalds ads tomorrow during Saturday morning cartoons without possessing the cognitive tools to know that they are being flat-out lied to.

Which McDonald's ad is lying? Be specific and show your work. Hyperbole isn't a valid argument.

He's been called on his bullshiat. I suspect if he even returns to this thread it will only be to deflect further attention from his spurious propositions.

GoldSpider:udhq: I'm not, but I can't speak for the millions of 3-5 year olds that will sit through dozens of McDonalds ads tomorrow during Saturday morning cartoons without possessing the cognitive tools to know that they are being flat-out lied to.

That's why parents are supposed to be a barrier between kids and the things they see on TV.

No, they're an incompetent parent who thinks that the television is the babysitter and that they have no responsibility in raising their offspring. They then attempt to make us do their parenting for them because they can't. It's no wonder their kids are fat and lazy.

UnspokenVoice:udhq: GoldSpider: udhq: You don't really have free will if one side is allowed to bombard the other side with 15,000 lies per day from birth.

You sound meek, and easily manipulated.

I'm not, but I can't speak for the millions of 3-5 year olds that will sit through dozens of McDonalds ads tomorrow during Saturday morning cartoons without possessing the cognitive tools to know that they are being flat-out lied to.

Which McDonald's ad is lying? Be specific and show your work. Hyperbole isn't a valid argument.

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom:UnspokenVoice: udhq: GoldSpider: udhq: You don't really have free will if one side is allowed to bombard the other side with 15,000 lies per day from birth.

You sound meek, and easily manipulated.

I'm not, but I can't speak for the millions of 3-5 year olds that will sit through dozens of McDonalds ads tomorrow during Saturday morning cartoons without possessing the cognitive tools to know that they are being flat-out lied to.

Which McDonald's ad is lying? Be specific and show your work. Hyperbole isn't a valid argument.

He's been called on his bullshiat. I suspect if he even returns to this thread it will only be to deflect further attention from his spurious propositions.

Nice, just saw yours. I was working my way down the thread. ;) I suspect cowardice will prevent them from returning and admitting their mistake.

TeddyRooseveltsMustache:Oh little girl, you're so stupid! Nobody's forced to eat at Mcdonalds. Hell, I rarely even see a commercial from them anymore, so it's not like they're blitzing everyone trying to annoy them into going. Sounds like someone got a coachin' from their idiotic tart mother who is using the girl as a puppet for her own schemes.

Any parent who needs to live through their child is a loser.

So naming my son Vicarious was a bad idea? would Munchhausen Biproxy Smith have been better?

mediablitz:PapaChester: The fact that they have cheap and healthy options makes these people look even more foolish

LOL. What "healthy" options do they have? Also, the kid never said McDonald's "forces" kids to eat there. She just said they trick kids into thinking their food is healthy. That is true. Even you fell for the "healthy options" bullshiat.

When kids do something (like eat at McDonalds) because they've been conditioned with 15,000 incomplete, misleading sales pitches per day since birth, that isn't a "free market".

In order to have a "free market", consumers must have access to all the information necessary to make their decision. That means:

a), either companies need to stop targeting children with advertising, or else schools need to teach kids how to intelligently "consume" those 15,000 commercial messages per day they are exposed to.

b), all these ads need to be required to TELL THE TRUTH, and by that I mean the WHOLE truth; there needs to be a message attached to each ad stating that this food is not safe to consume more than once a month or so, or else a message stating that when used as directed, this food will cause obesity, diabetes, heart disease and early death.

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom:Isn't she, in her public protest, also advertising a viewpoint in an effort to modify the behavior of others? Why is her ability to advertise inherently better than anyone else's?

Mcdonalds advertises a viewpoint in which they have a direct economic incentive for you to take actions that will be damaging to your health. The girl does not.

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom:I have nothing against McDonalds at all in terms if the healthfulness or lack thereof of their poducts. But around 10 years ago I just stopped liking anything sold there (except the Coke.) I think it's just my personal preferences, but McDonalds just doesn't taste good to me anymore.

/had a Big Mac tonight//it was pretty gross

When ever I take my niece, nephew, or friend's kids out they tend to want to hit Mc D's. I also don't much care for their food. However, they do a decent salad.

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom:Post one ad from McDonalds where they explicitly suggest an unlimited and immoderate use of their product. It shouldn't be too hard since you claim there's 30 years worth.

Do you know what "food porn" is?

It's quite literally depictions of food in the style of glamor photography, that is meant to arouse what the industry calls "food lust".

The food industry has been using this template since the 60s, and in the absence of any sort of messaging about responsible use or consequences of use, the message is clear: consume our product, as much and as often as possible.

When kids do something (like eat at McDonalds) because they've been conditioned with 15,000 incomplete, misleading sales pitches per day since birth, that isn't a "free market".

In order to have a "free market", consumers must have access to all the information necessary to make their decision. That means:

a), either companies need to stop targeting children with advertising, or else schools need to teach kids how to intelligently "consume" those 15,000 commercial messages per day they are exposed to.

b), all these ads need to be required to TELL THE TRUTH, and by that I mean the WHOLE truth; there needs to be a message attached to each ad stating that this food is not safe to consume more than once a month or so, or else a message stating that when used as directed, this food will cause obesity, diabetes, heart disease and early death.

They do: You feel the grossness of the rubberized patties McDonalds claim is beef?

The taste tells you its bad for you.

Just like the nice burny scratchy feeling from smoking tells you its bad for you.

Nabb1:I don't like McDonald's for my kids, either. That's why it's only a special treat and not a regular thing for them. I'm just not sanctimonious about it, nor do I blame McDonald's for forcing the occasional indulgence upon me.

udhq:UnspokenVoice: Which McDonald's ad is lying? Be specific and show your work. Hyperbole isn't a valid argument.

Um... all of them? I have never seen an ad for McDonalds with an accurate depiction of their typical customer, or the actual consequences of consuming their products as directed.

If one exists, please, by all means, share it.

No, no. Show me a McDonald's commercial that is lying as you claimed. Just one will do. Not including information isn't lying (they also don't tell you what's in their secret sauce) and a "typical" customer (or lack of one) isn't lying either.

You're so invested in this that you'll just keep going, won't you? Silly child. Man up and determine what you want for your children instead of expecting us to change the world to suit your laziness and inability to parent.

udhq:Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Post one ad from McDonalds where they explicitly suggest an unlimited and immoderate use of their product. It shouldn't be too hard since you claim there's 30 years worth.

Do you know what "food porn" is?

It's quite literally depictions of food in the style of glamor photography, that is meant to arouse what the industry calls "food lust".

The food industry has been using this template since the 60s, and in the absence of any sort of messaging about responsible use or consequences of use, the message is clear: consume our product, as much and as often as possible.

Again ever eat multiple McDonald's burgers bro? You don't need a message about being responsible

UnspokenVoice:No, no. Show me a McDonald's commercial that is lying as you claimed. Just one will do. Not including information isn't lying (they also don't tell you what's in their secret sauce) and a "typical" customer (or lack of one) isn't lying either.

You're so invested in this that you'll just keep going, won't you? Silly child. Man up and determine what you want for your children instead of expecting us to change the world to suit your laziness and inability to parent.

Dharma Bumstead:Albert911emt:Yeah, so much THIS. If you don't like it, fine, don't eat there. But some people do like eating there, and who the hell are you to try and interfere in what others choose to eat?

****But, but, OBESITY EPIDEMIC and how it increases the cost of healthcare!

udhq:UnspokenVoice: No, no. Show me a McDonald's commercial that is lying as you claimed. Just one will do. Not including information isn't lying (they also don't tell you what's in their secret sauce) and a "typical" customer (or lack of one) isn't lying either.

You're so invested in this that you'll just keep going, won't you? Silly child. Man up and determine what you want for your children instead of expecting us to change the world to suit your laziness and inability to parent.

Sure, first one I found when I searched on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmrTDZy3f2M

The message? An association between eating Mcdonald's food and playing professional basketball. What could possibly be misleading about that?

Heh the only guy who eats the McD's is old and presumably, with all due respect to Larry, out of shape.

udhq:UnspokenVoice: No, no. Show me a McDonald's commercial that is lying as you claimed. Just one will do. Not including information isn't lying (they also don't tell you what's in their secret sauce) and a "typical" customer (or lack of one) isn't lying either.

You're so invested in this that you'll just keep going, won't you? Silly child. Man up and determine what you want for your children instead of expecting us to change the world to suit your laziness and inability to parent.

Sure, first one I found when I searched on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmrTDZy3f2M

The message? An association between eating Mcdonald's food and playing professional basketball. What could possibly be misleading about that?

reported:How do these innocent children independently get to McDonald's to buy their egregiously unhealthy food? Just do your job as a parent and tell your precious snowflake, "No McDonald's today, STFU and eat your broccoli."

Have you ever been a parent, farkwit? Yes, responsible parents should educate their children about the perils of soaking in advertisement messaging. Guess what, though? there's a hell of a lot to do as a parent and consumerism is a foundation of this scam society, so it's not like they're gonna get much help from the establishment.

What about the part where corporations participate in psychological warfare do you not understand? TV commercials and kids' meals lead cravings and implanted desires; basically this is a case of a multinational corporation leverage childrens' vulnerable psyches to pit them against their parents better judgement and peace of mind. "You'll shoot your eye out" becomes "WTFE we'll get the crappy meal so you can have the toy and STFU for a couple hours."

When kids do something (like eat at McDonalds) because they've been conditioned with 15,000 incomplete, misleading sales pitches per day since birth, that isn't a "free market".

In order to have a "free market", consumers must have access to all the information necessary to make their decision. That means:

a), either companies need to stop targeting children with advertising, or else schools need to teach kids how to intelligently "consume" those 15,000 commercial messages per day they are exposed to.

b), all these ads need to be required to TELL THE TRUTH, and by that I mean the WHOLE truth; there needs to be a message attached to each ad stating that this food is not safe to consume more than once a month or so, or else a message stating that when used as directed, this food will cause obesity, diabetes, heart disease and early death.

First, you clearly don't understand what a free market system is, so your points are inherently invalid, but even if they weren't:

a) What you fail to accept is that it is not McDonald's job to police what you eat. It's their job to provide a product people want and to sell that product the best they can within the bounds of the law. Any social responsibility a company takes beyond that is optional and really just another angle at increasing their bottom line. Typically, large companies become more socially responsible because they have to, they're trying to capitalize on the current market, or maybe lure in more investors. There are plenty of reasons, but none of them are because they really care about you. McDonalds offering healthier options was designed to pull in more customers, particularly the goldenmillennial market. McDonalds isnot responsible for raising your children. Neither is any other business, not even public schools. If you can't handle that, then don't have children.

b) Those ads do tell the truth. Is it a colored version that paints them in the best light? Absolutely. Is it a flat out lie? No, there are actually laws against that. I haven't seen one person post a McDonalds ad that lies, despite requests to do so. I have seen you lie. You could eat McDonalds everyday and be fine, provided you take care of yourself other ways. McDonalds doesn't say you don't need to exercise. McDonalds doesn't say that diet of nothing but fries is a healthy way to eat. McDonalds assumes, unfortunately incorrectly, that you aren't a moron. They assume that you have some control over what and where you're kids eat. They don't hide anything. All nutritional information is provided, no studies are hidden. Anything you could ever want to know about McDonald or their food is just a few keystrokes away. You want them to actively market against their product and change to offer what it's pretty clear the majority doesn't want. Why not go after Mars? They sort of imply that Snickers are something other than candy because they have peanuts. Or Pepsi? They offer a soda with 60% less sugar, which is still way to much to drink to excess. Companies aren't responsible for you and I'll be damned if I want them telling me what I can and cannot eat. They provide a product and I choose to buy it. And if I'm old enough to buy it myself (which would imply a job of some kind, or at least an allowance which is controlled by the parents) then I should be allowed too. If not, then it would have been my parents job to regulate what I buy. Just because you don't want to take personal responsibility, doesn't mean you can force someone else too. That's the problem with people today. They're lazy, don't want to put in the effort and blame someone else for their mistakes.

udhq:UnspokenVoice: No, no. Show me a McDonald's commercial that is lying as you claimed. Just one will do. Not including information isn't lying (they also don't tell you what's in their secret sauce) and a "typical" customer (or lack of one) isn't lying either.

You're so invested in this that you'll just keep going, won't you? Silly child. Man up and determine what you want for your children instead of expecting us to change the world to suit your laziness and inability to parent.

Sure, first one I found when I searched on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmrTDZy3f2M

The message? An association between eating Mcdonald's food and playing professional basketball. What could possibly be misleading about that?

Nothing. I'm sure that Larry Bird ate at McDonald's. I bet you every single professional basketball player has eaten there.

Hyjamon:TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Oh little girl, you're so stupid! Nobody's forced to eat at Mcdonalds. Hell, I rarely even see a commercial from them anymore, so it's not like they're blitzing everyone trying to annoy them into going. Sounds like someone got a coachin' from their idiotic tart mother who is using the girl as a puppet for her own schemes.

Any parent who needs to live through their child is a loser.

So naming my son Vicarious was a bad idea? would Munchhausen Biproxy Smith have been better?

udhq:UnspokenVoice: Not including information isn't lying (they also don't tell you what's in their secret sauce) and a "typical" customer (or lack of one) isn't lying either.

BTW, Personal Responsibility decided to take the toaster bath after reading this sentence.

Yes, it is obviously too complicated for you. Face it, you're an idiot who chose to put forth their stupidity online and is now being called on it. Feel free to keep typing. We'll keep making fun of you. Why? Because you're wrong. You haven't said a single correct thing.

udhq:GoldSpider: udhq: That's pretty much the definition of wealthy adults trying to brainwash children into consuming slop that will take years off their lives when used as directed.

You'll have to elaborate on that particular qualifier. I don't recall ever seeing a McDonald's ad that directed me to suck down 3 Big Macs and a pound of fries in a sitting.

Here's a classic food porn ad.

The message is all about blind lust. This ad is simply trying to make you want a big mac.

No information provided, no messaging on safe consumption. Just "Want this. Don't think. Turn off your brain and EAT THIS, as much and as often as possible."

Can you imagine if OTC or prescription drugs were advertised like this?

No where in that ad does McDonalds lie. Some OTC drugs are advertised like that and amazingly I and millions of others not uncontrollably drawn, kicking and screaming, to the store to buy them. It's crazy, you'd think since we all have no free will and can only do what an ad tell us that they wouldn't be able to keep the shelves stocked.

UnspokenVoice:udhq: UnspokenVoice: Not including information isn't lying (they also don't tell you what's in their secret sauce) and a "typical" customer (or lack of one) isn't lying either.

BTW, Personal Responsibility decided to take the toaster bath after reading this sentence.

Yes, it is obviously too complicated for you. Face it, you're an idiot who chose to put forth their stupidity online and is now being called on it. Feel free to keep typing. We'll keep making fun of you. Why? Because you're wrong. You haven't said a single correct thing.

udhq:mooseyfate: That argument is so stupid, it just gave me cancer. Equating advertising to child molesters? Did you even read that before you posted it? Because I really hope you didn't type that up and sit there with a smug look on your face, proudly proclaiming in your inner voice: That'll show them!

Here's a scenario to consider: You've already made clear that you're ok with McDonald's delivering unlimited, almost completely unregulated sales pitches to children on a daily basis, based on the argument that most kids have parents to protect them.

What if McDonalds hired people to drive around to playgrounds and parks and hand out free burgers and fries to children to get them hooked? Would that behavior be excusable under the assumption that most have parents to teach them the truth about these foods?

You are REALLY terrible at making good arguments. Don't let anyone tell you differently. Seriously, this may be the worst attempt at a "rational argument" I've ever seen, and I once argued with MeowSaidtheDog. I don't think you've come within one square mile of anything resembling a decent point.

Hexsun:First, you clearly don't understand what a free market system is, so your points are inherently invalid, but even if they weren't:

a) What you fail to accept is that it is not McDonald's job to police what you eat. It's their job to provide a product people want and to sell that product the best they can within the bounds of the law. Any social responsibility a company takes beyond that is optional and really just another angle at increasing their bottom line. Typically, large companies become more socially responsible because they have to, they're trying to capitalize on the current market, or maybe lure in more investors. There are plenty of reasons, but none of them are because they really care about you. McDonalds offering healthier options was designed to pull in more customers, particularly the goldenmillennial market. McDonalds isnot responsible for raising your children. Neither is any other business, not even public schools. If you can't handle that, then don't have children.

Look, when you choose to walk into a McDonalds and buy a burger, there are 2 parties choosing to enter into a transaction that is (at least presumably) mutually beneficial. Why on Earth shouldn't those 2 parties share equally in the consequences of that transaction? Why should "personal responsibility" only apply to one of the parties?

Why should being under the umbrella of an almost omnipotently powerful billion-dollar corporation absolve one from all personal responsibility for one's actions and choices?

No one is FORCING McDonalds to make money by selling you a burger. So why the need to protect them from their responsibility for choosing to participate in that transaction???

It seems that if people here were REALLY in favor of libertarian-style freedom, they wouldn't feel the need shield McDonalds from the consequences of their choices.

Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker:That little girl has the look of someone who is going to turn 18 and then have a lesbian affair with a minor and then try and garner as much attention as she possibly can. Just a hunch.

Hexsun:UnspokenVoice: udhq: UnspokenVoice: Not including information isn't lying (they also don't tell you what's in their secret sauce) and a "typical" customer (or lack of one) isn't lying either.

BTW, Personal Responsibility decided to take the toaster bath after reading this sentence.

Yes, it is obviously too complicated for you. Face it, you're an idiot who chose to put forth their stupidity online and is now being called on it. Feel free to keep typing. We'll keep making fun of you. Why? Because you're wrong. You haven't said a single correct thing.

UnspokenVoice, you're my hero of the day.

I don't think anyone has ever told me that before and I've been told a lot of things. ;) The most frightening thing is that this person speaks as if they have children, I hope the State takes them away from him before he does any more damage.

udhq:a), either companies need to stop targeting children with advertising, or else schools need to teach kids how to intelligently "consume" those 15,000 commercial messages per day they are exposed to.

Why should schools be doing this? Do you want 10 million teatards screaming in your face about "Socialism"?

Targetting children with advertising is perfectly legitimate. Attempting to ban it runs into first amendment issues. Deceptive Advertising is something completely different, but God forbid you should try to regulate something like that, because, you know, "big government" and "socialism". and "regulation is evil" and all that stupid crap.

mooseyfate:You are REALLY terrible at making good arguments. Don't let anyone tell you differently. Seriously, this may be the worst attempt at a "rational argument" I've ever seen, and I once argued with MeowSaidtheDog. I don't think you've come within one square mile of anything resembling a decent point.

And why is that? Because you're not aware that there was a time when this was a fairly common practice within the food industry?