You've gotta wonder what is happening to this country. What drives the anger and rote apathy for human life in these creeps/ cowards. Too much hate and why pick on children at schools. What the hell do children have to do with anything other than they are the offspring of a class of people some one apparently has a problem with. Connecticut is as conservative a state you'll find in the North East as any. Simple people, simply going to school looking forward to the Holidays with excitement. Bam!...they are gone...WTF?...too many anti depressives mixed w power drinks?...something has to give and don't tell me guns have to be regulated...they already are. Idiots that are dangerously wired in the head are too frequently walking amongst us all everyday. Only going to see more of this I'm afraid.

I have relatives in Connecticut, though none of them are in elementary school (and the school-age ones are actually at private boarding schools out of state). Still, made my heart jump for a minute there.

Terrible stuff.

And earlier posters are right. There is something seriously wrong with the mentality of people in this country, and unfortunately that will be lost in the debate about gun control. That debate is one that certainly needs to be had (using logic and facts, and removing "emotion" from the debate), but it can't override the simple, serious discussion about WTF is wrong with people?

People are being pushed to the point of snapping and losing all control of their own actions, and something has to be addressed about that.

One thing this country seems horribly incapable of is having serious, honest public discussions about difficult subjects.

I hate to make this another gun debate thread, but I guess I can't say "most" without knowing how many, but many gun-owners (including me) knows something needs to be done, even before this situation happened. It's hard to deny we have a gun problem in this nation

Details are fuzzy, is there anything more to this story at the moment? This is terrible

Quoting Starbuk7 (Reply 22):As mentioned it is about peoples mental state, involving personnel responsibility for ones actions which is severely lacking in this country nowadays.

And why is that? You can't talk about people not taking responsibility and going nuts without talking about the tools that make such an option attractive, and the general culture that encourages people to aggressively defend the use of such tools regardless of the actual issue (see the spikes in gun sales upon Obama's election despite the repeated lack of any action to restrict such sales.) There is a narrative in this country that the government is mendacious, deceptive, and out to take your freedoms away, and that you must defend yourself against them, with force of arms if necessary. Now mix that with people who have vengeful thoughts, people who perceive enemies where none exist, people who hold a grudge.

Quoting Starbuk7 (Reply 22):This is a very tragic and sad situation but do not try to take away my "legally" obtained and purchased weapons.

Question: what will happen instead? You have not addressed the issue raised by that random twitter comment you seem to be endorsing, which is: how does this sort of situation resolve differently when the entire public is armed? In fact, a lot of situations will resolve differently when somebody has a gun. We take them away on airplanes for a reason, we used to keep you from carrying them into town back in the Old West days too.

Quote:Even when I was stationed on Germany back in the nineties it was appalling the lack of freedom your country, the country that gave us Mauser, Luger and Walther has In that regard.

Quoting SoJo (Reply 40):Nice attitude L-188. So, from your post you're on about "YOUR" civil rights. What about the childrens rights? Should they not go to school and feel safe? I'm gobsmacked at your reply.

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 37):This only strengthens the argument for more individuals to have guns to defend themselves, their children, their property.

Come on, I own 9 guns. How can you say that people having more guns could have stopped this? We know nothing yet. It seems like a shooter locked himself in a classroom and killed everyone in there. Even if the teacher had a gun, he/she would have to be a very quick draw and have an accurate aim to shoot a surprise gunman. What if a teacher next door was armed? Still would result in kids dying, maybe less.

In the best case scenario, kids would have died. We gun owners (assuming you are one) can't automatically dismiss any case without looking at options that restrict guns in the hands of crazies but allow us to hunt, shoot for fun, etc. Up to this shooting, these shooter(s) were probably clean, legal gun owners like you and me (again, assuming you are a gun owner)

I wanna know one thing....where are the in-school guards/police? At public schools in Arizona and in Ohio, both states have security people present, sometimes armed, sometimes police officers. Reportedly NO resistance or security was present. What the hell.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 44):
I wanna know one thing....where are the in-school guards/police? At public schools in Arizona and in Ohio, both states have security people present, sometimes armed, sometimes police officers. Reportedly NO resistance or security was present. What the hell.

Even if there was, is the police officer supposed to teleport instantly to the location? I don't want to think about it, but it probably doesn't take too long to do what the shooters did...

Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)

25 Newark727
: But back to my first post. Let's take a look at how everyone responded. The calls for gun control- predictable enough, but specifics are needed- what

26 PHX787
: I mean on site. I guarantee you if someone tried to pull crap like this in Arizona, he would be shot through the head upon arrival.

27 Wolbo
: Let's not act surprised here, it's a logical and inevitable consequence of America's obsession with guns. This is simply the prize to pay for that obe

28 flyingturtle
: One does not even have armed students or teachers around. In the Empire State Building shooting this year, one gunman was killed by the police, and n

29 jpetekyxmd80
: You think a token security person couldn't be handled very simply by anyone still using a fraction of their brain?

30 Newark727
: I think what soon7x7 was saying, and your response, is actually quite illustrative. I'm not sure he was actually advocating the position he did, rath

31 L-188
: Actually Newsrk727 the people that are calling for guy control are the new that are looking for the QuickFix, and like most qck fixes it doesnt work.

32 iFlyLOTs
: In the school district I went to from K-12 I only had a school "resource officer" in high school. I live in a town that's rather wealthy and we have

33 airportugal310
: What? Since when did every school out there need security people, especially an elementary school? That something new?

34 DeltaMD90
: Well, at every public school I attended, there was a single armed cop somewhere, but there are probably 20 entrances to these schools. I'm sure if th