As the demand for research into transgender/detransition-related subjects goes up, so does the amount of backlash. The only new thing I see here is that it's Brown. I know that Bath Spa University did something similar, but I'm not British and I don't know if Bath Spa's the British equivalent of an Ivy League.

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The equivalent of the Ivy League in Britain is Oxbridge (Oxford and Cambridge). Bath Spa is, however, perfectly respectable.

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I think the reason so many of these people who claim to have dysphoria are women is largely the result of what a lot of radical feminists/the far left tell them. That men are evil, they’re rapists, that they destroy and abuse. If you’re a 15 year old girl with little life experience, you might really take that shit to heart. If you’re a man, you don’t have to deal with that shit, right? But you’re transgender, which means you’re better than the cis man, more just.

Someone suggested it was because of porn, which isn’t a bad theory either, but I think it’s overall the pressures of society/what they perceive to be the pressures of society based on what their politics tell them.

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It's popular because there's distress about changing bodies, our culture pushes slave morality and lionization of the victim heavily, and teenage girls tend to be extremely impressionable conformists. End of story.

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It's nice to see one of them bring up suggestibility. It was one of the things that drove the Satanic panic in the eighties. Rougly 20-25% of the population will believe absolutely anything a "therapist" tells them. It finally got stomped out for good after the parents of patients sued enough malicious therapists. It was never good enough for the therapists to ruin just the lives of the patients, they also had to accuse the parents of molestation and Satanism to ruin their lives as well.

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But the Satanic Panic had no powerful lobbies behind it, just certain segments of the Religious Right and fundies. And most of these people believed the best way to fight the Satanic cults and demons they thought were everywhere was the power of prayer (plus occasionally burning some heavy metal albums and D&D books).

Meanwhile the tranny lobby is being backed by pharmaceutical companies as well as the gay rights movement, which is now focusing extensively on trannies, often to the detriment of the LGB part of LGBT. Investors and billionaires invested in pharma and the civil rights industry, like George Soros (check his investment in pharma), have been extensively involved in astroturfing the tranny movement. They back all these studies that talk about how great the hormones are for treating gender dysphoria, which is about as unbiased and scientific as when the tobacco industry claimed that smoking cigarettes was harmless.

Given these financial interests, this shit isn't going away until people who have been irreversibly harmed by the hormones, puberty blockers, etc. sue the fuck out of Big Pharma. But look how well Big Pharma has fought off serious class action lawsuits in the past. There will be some nice settlements, guaranteed, but there won't nearly be enough restitution for the child victims of the transgender movement. The money pharma, investors like Soros, etc. will have made off drug sales will be insane compared to the money they'll spend on legal issues.

But the Satanic Panic had no powerful lobbies behind it, just certain segments of the Religious Right and fundies. And most of these people believed the best way to fight the Satanic cults and demons they thought were everywhere was the power of prayer (plus occasionally burning some heavy metal albums and D&D books).

Meanwhile the tranny lobby is being backed by pharmaceutical companies as well as the gay rights movement, which is now focusing extensively on trannies, often to the detriment of the LGB part of LGBT. Investors and billionaires invested in pharma and the civil rights industry, like George Soros (check his investment in pharma), have been extensively involved in astroturfing the tranny movement. They back all these studies that talk about how great the hormones are for treating gender dysphoria, which is about as unbiased and scientific as when the tobacco industry claimed that smoking cigarettes was harmless.

Given these financial interests, this shit isn't going away until people who have been irreversibly harmed by the hormones, puberty blockers, etc. sue the fuck out of Big Pharma. But look how well Big Pharma has fought off serious class action lawsuits in the past. There will be some nice settlements, guaranteed, but there won't nearly be enough restitution for the child victims of the transgender movement. The money pharma, investors like Soros, etc. will have made off drug sales will be insane compared to the money they'll spend on legal issues.

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If anything, this is what makes our current culture of secular puritanism feel so hopeless to fight against. They've got more than a couple of fringe groups behind them; they have movers and shakers and all sorts of money makers.

But then again, if Big Tobacco can get a swift kick in the balls for lying to people for years, there's no reason that it can't happen to Big Pharma in this particular case. Also, Soros will probably be dead within ten years, assuming of course that he doesn't have his brain stuck into a jar and programmed into a supercomputer like he was Johnny Depp in that one shit movie or something.

I think the reason so many of these people who claim to have dysphoria are women is largely the result of what a lot of radical feminists/the far left tell them. That men are evil, they’re rapists, that they destroy and abuse. If you’re a 15 year old girl with little life experience, you might really take that shit to heart. If you’re a man, you don’t have to deal with that shit, right? But you’re transgender, which means you’re better than the cis man, more just.

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I've been figuring that the far left dogma is what has influenced so many mtf transitions though too. Men are evil, men are rapists/colonizers, men owe the world something for their sins. But if you become trans then suddenly you're the one who is owed, not the one who owes. Convenient.

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I've been figuring that the far left dogma is what has influenced so many mtf transitions though too. Men are evil, men are rapists/colonizers, men owe the world something for their sins. But if you become trans then suddenly you're the one who is owed, not the one who owes. Convenient.

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I really don't think it's much deeper than a slice of the population having a fetish but it being more socially acceptable to be an oppressed minority than a pervert.

I really don't think it's much deeper than a slice of the population having a fetish but it being more socially acceptable to be an oppressed minority than a pervert.

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Perversion plays a part for MTFs, but if you’ll notice there are a LOT of 13-16 year old girls becoming FTM. Their rates have skyrocketed since 2012 and there are more than 2x FTM than MTF by today’s estimates. In the older cases it’s a definitely possibility, but I find it hard to believe a large population of young middle class white girls, the kind of people most vulnerable to warped perceptions of their own body, simultaneously developed the same weird fetish.

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Perversion plays a part for MTFs, but if you’ll notice there are a LOT of 13-16 year old girls becoming FTM. Their rates have skyrocketed since 2012 and there are more than 2x FTM than MTF by today’s estimates. In the older cases it’s a definitely possibility, but I find it hard to believe a large population of young middle class white girls, the kind of people most vulnerable to warped perceptions of their own body, simultaneously developed the same weird fetish.

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In those cases, it’s just that teenage need to be special, coupled with developing sexuality. They find sex both intriguing and threatening, attractive and repulsive. So they decide they’re fat men, because everyone knows gay men are all non-threatening bishies who don’t do icky stuff.

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Perversion plays a part for MTFs, but if you’ll notice there are a LOT of 13-16 year old girls becoming FTM. Their rates have skyrocketed since 2012 and there are more than 2x FTM than MTF by today’s estimates. In the older cases it’s a definitely possibility, but I find it hard to believe a large population of young middle class white girls, the kind of people most vulnerable to warped perceptions of their own body, simultaneously developed the same weird fetish.

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In that post I was specifically addressing the traditional mtf example. Up thread I agree in a different post that it's largely a weird peer pressure thing for the ftms.

If anything, this is what makes our current culture of secular puritanism feel so hopeless to fight against. They've got more than a couple of fringe groups behind them; they have movers and shakers and all sorts of money makers.

But then again, if Big Tobacco can get a swift kick in the balls for lying to people for years, there's no reason that it can't happen to Big Pharma in this particular case. Also, Soros will probably be dead within ten years, assuming of course that he doesn't have his brain stuck into a jar and programmed into a supercomputer like he was Johnny Depp in that one shit movie or something.

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Do you know how many kids George Soros has? He has 5 kids. The most important are Jonathan Soros (born 1970) and Alexander Soros (born 1985), who are just as deeply involved in the same sort of shit their father is, and might be due for a multi-billion dollar inheritance soon. And Soros isn't the only one, he's just the most prominent and well-known.

Was this study discussed in an at least neutral light, if not positive, anywhere that wouldn't immediately get called right-wing? A friend brought up the study on FB, basically relating it to her own experiences and expressing skepticism about the eagerness to start puberty blockers. So the SJWs came out to immediately call her source right-wing and therefore wrong, to claim that no troons were involved in the study so it can't be balanced, to link to the articles written by troons denying that anything is at all wrong with their approach.

I just want to be able to give her some encouragement that her doubts are fair from a source or article that isn't so easily dismissed. I know it will be, because SJWs, but it's always good to support concerns about the troon narrative where possible.

Was this study discussed in an at least neutral light, if not positive, anywhere that wouldn't immediately get called right-wing? A friend brought up the study on FB, basically relating it to her own experiences and expressing skepticism about the eagerness to start puberty blockers. So the SJWs came out to immediately call her source right-wing and therefore wrong, to claim that no troons were involved in the study so it can't be balanced, to link to the articles written by troons denying that anything is at all wrong with their approach.

I just want to be able to give her some encouragement that her doubts are fair from a source or article that isn't so easily dismissed. I know it will be, because SJWs, but it's always good to support concerns about the troon narrative where possible.

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I doubt it's possible. I've tried talking to people about how little real research is on tranny stuff, because the actual real body dysmorphia cases are so small, no one is interested in funding it. And people just point me to the "comprehensive research that proves its real" And then they've only noticed similarities to their diagnostic criteria. Basically the surgery came first, the rationalizations came up 40 years later. If you go look at the wikipedia article, it's just written as if it's accepted out of hand. Despite the article citing only 4 minor studies. "This study identified differences in peoples brains = troons everywhere" or "We discovered more masculine women = troons"

They see what they want to see.

The causes of transsexualism have been studied for decades. The most studied factors are biological. Certain brain structures in trans women have been found to be similar to cisgender women's as opposed to cis men's, and trans men's have been found to be similar to cis men's, even controlling for hormone use, which can also cause trans people's brains to become closer to those of cis people of the same gender. However, these studies are limited as they include a small number of tested individuals.[65] Brain structure differences have also been noted between gay and heterosexual men, as well as lesbian and heterosexual women as part of extensive research on biology and sexual orientation. Studies have also found that both androphilic and gynephilic trans women's brain function and responses are like cis women's and unlike cis men's, or are intermediate between the two. Likewise, studies such as Rametti's have found that trans men have male-like white matter patterns (even before using hormones), regardless of sexual orientation.

With regard to genetic factors, a study by Hare reported that trans women have a longer androgen receptor gene than cis men, which is less effective at binding testosterone, potentially preventing complete masculinization of the brain (prenatal androgen exposure or sensitivity, or lack thereof, is an often cited mechanism to explain observed brain-structure differences).[66] A study by Bentz found that trans men have a CYP17 allele distribution like cis men and unlike cis women.[67] A twin study published in the International Journal of Transgenderism found that 33% of identical twin pairs were both trans, compared to only 2.6% of non-identical twins who were raised in the same family at the same time, but were not genetically identical.[68]

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There's lobby groups and organizations based around trans rights/lifestyle etc etc. Trans therapists. Gender centers. Childhood trans support. There's a fair amount of money behind it. So the whole thing just seems like it's really a burgeoning industry that pharmaceutical companies want to exploit. It's the best type of illness money wise. You can't test for it, the person involved requires extensive plastic surgery and drug treatments for the rest of their lives. And they'll probably kill themselves later so no lawsuits. It's win win.

It's the same as having fashionable lobotomies for your kids to cure their ills. There were all sorts of experts who would let you know who in your family needed a lobotomy. At least those people still had their fucking genitals though.

The modern transgender movement is an astroturf tiger. It is not grassroots, it is not organic, and it serves the purposes of no one beyond homophobes and pharmaceutical companies. It is a menace, it has hollowed out the LGBT community, it threatens women’s legal gains for the past hundred years, and it is going to destroy people’s lives. An entire generation of gender non-conforming children that may have otherwise grown up gay are going to grow up to be brain damaged, weakened eunuchs with a medical malpractice lawyer on retainer. This ‘movement’ needs to end before that happens. The LGBT community needs to wake up and start talking back to the fox in the hen house.

I think the same trend that is turning so many kids into trans is the same as teens self diagnosing themselves with mental illness. While most people that fake physical illness for attention are in a side of having munchausen's or being hyphocondriac the ones that self diagnose with mental disorders usually do it to fit in with their friends just like most 'trans' do these days.

They will often say "i'm not lying/confused. Why would I wanna be opressed? [links article that says that trans people or mental ill people have a higher chance of being murdered]"

It not only give them woke points but are often an excuse for shitty behavior like harassing people for disagreeing with them. Troons think they're above cis people or other gay people. A ftm isn't just a regular cis girl but isn't a oppresive white male either. Suddenly being gay or lesbian isn't that special anymore so you have to resort to being nonbinary or trans.

It's hilarious the ones that identify as "nonbinary woman" because it's basically a woman being a woman but wanting a special label anyway.

Well plus you get to erase every moment of your history up to your "transition".

But yeah, I don't think it's done to get away with things for the most part, it's the fact that kids have body issues around puberty, like they have forever, and for some reason we let some mentally ill people decide the best course of action, because they threatened to kill themselves otherwise.

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