Regarding some of the questions about time, I noticed that CBS is posting press photos each week after the episode airs. I don't have access to them, but if someone does, perhaps they could check to see if Exif data is still attached. It would help in nailing down on which day certain events occurred.

The photos CBS posts after the race are screen grabs - no exif info on them.Makes me wonder if they had a set photographer with them once they left Valparaiso.

Regarding some of the questions about time, I noticed that CBS is posting press photos each week after the episode airs. I don't have access to them, but if someone does, perhaps they could check to see if Exif data is still attached. It would help in nailing down on which day certain events occurred.

The photos CBS posts after the race are screen grabs - no exif info on them.Makes me wonder if they had a set photographer with them once they left Valparaiso.

From the vidcaps we can confirm that:Steve/Allie, Dan/Jordan, Michael/Louie and Carol/Brandy are on the same flight, and thatBrent/Caite and Jet/Cord are on the same flight.I can't determine conclusively whether they arrived on two separate flights or the same flight.

Dan/Jordan were seen on MH 1138 from Kuala Lumpur to Penang (0915-1015).

There is an earlier flight that morning between the two cities, MH 1134 (0730-0830). This suggests that the brothers did not arrive the previous evening to make it onto the early morning flight. Since departures from the Seychelles are few and far between, the best flight combination I could find is:EK 706 to Dubai (13 0815-1245)MH 157 to Kuala Lumpur (13 1855-0605)MH 1138 to Penang (14 0915-1015)

This also means that the brothers were likely to have been released too late for the 1.45am flight out of Mahe (which allows them to take the early Kuala Lumpur-Penang flight), but in time for the 8.15am flight from Mahe to Dubai. There are no other flights leaving after this Dubai connection which will arrive in Penang before nightfall, although there are a couple of 'inefficient' routes that leave earlier and arrive later.

(Apskip has a flight that goes from Mahe to Doha to Dubai, then the same flight to Kuala Lumpur. Here we suggest a direct flight from Mahe to Dubai that leaves 45min later.)

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Phil's voice over confirms all teams on the same flights from the Seychelles to Penang via Dubai; no mention of any other connections, just that it was a 21-hour flight. Oh, and that the first flight departed at about 2 am, more or less.

If the teams in Puerto Vallarta stayed up until 2am, and we assume that TPTB doesn't want to keep them up as much as possible, does that mean Steve and Allie were eliminated in Penang, 14h ahead, at around 4pm?

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If the teams in Puerto Vallarta stayed up until 2am, and we assume that TPTB doesn't want to keep them up as much as possible, does that mean Steve and Allie were eliminated in Penang, 14h ahead, at around 4pm?

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Very interesting... Did TPTB gamble on all (surviving) teams checking into the Penang Pit Stop within three hours of each other, or is there going to be some equalizing factor at the beginning of the next leg? Given that teams arrive in the morning (shadows upon arrival point northwest), here's the train I believe the teams took:Butterworth to Kuala Lumpur (1000-1730, I think this train no longer runs on weekdays)Kuala Lumpur to Singapore (2135-0810)

There's a direct, leaving three hours earlier, that gets into Singapore at 2130 the same evening. An hours-of-operation can fix things up here for a team that gets ahead, but a team that misses the 10.00am train will not be able to get into Singapore until 4.05pm the next day, 8h behind everyone else.

Is TPTB going to herd everyone onto the 10.00am without allowing anyone on the 7.00am train, and if so, how? The first ferry from Penang to Butterworth leaves at 5.30am, so that's not going to cause teams to miss the earlier train...

Edited to add: Please note that 8.10am is not indicative of when teams actually arrive in Singapore. Malaysian trains are frequently always late, and it's not unusual for them to be running up to three hours behind.

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Neobie,Last time I looked at the map there was the 13.5 km Penang Bridge running from Penang island to the mainland. Why is the question of the first ferry even an issue? There is public transportation by bus available: "Butterworth railway station is conveniently located next to the bus and ferry terminal, south of the town centre." and "the much-loved Penang ferry departs regularly from the Butterworth Ferry Terminal for George Town. The ferry terminal is conveniently connected with the railway station and bus terminal via covered walkways." I am certain that a taxi can be taken from any place on Penang Island to the Butterworth railway station.

Although it was not ready for the visit of AR16, for future visits to Penang "Penang Sentral" is a future inter-modal transportation hub and a commercial development currently under construction in Penang. Construction of the transportation hub will start in Q1 2009 and expected to complete by 2011.

Good point, Apskip. I was just mentioning that TPTB cannot hope to use the ferry as a bunching mechanism, as teams can still be split onto the 7.00am and 10.00am trains (and arrive 11h apart) nevertheless.

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We don't really know exactly when teams were released from the Singapore pit stop or whether it was a 12 hours pit stop. My thinking is that their release from the Singapore pit stop could have been as early as the evening of Dec. 16 after a less than 12 hour pitstop to sometime Dec. 17 (to be determined by what I show below). The screencap posted earlier today by puddin on the ep. 10 thread clearly showed arrival at Shanghai's Pudong Airport (code PVG) at gate 10. That is in Terminal 1 and the only flights into PVG either nonstop from Shanghai or from Hong Kong (where teams could have connected from Singapore) are by China Eastern Airlines. They were:

Dec. 16 SIN HKG - not feasible unless pit stop less than 8 hours and only maybe for Dan/Jordan, so ignore itDec. 17 SIN HKG - range of departures from 0653 to 1858, with arrivals from 1030 to 2240. Last one won't connect for Dec. 17 departure from HKG to PVG.

We don't really know exactly when teams were released from the Singapore pit stop or whether it was a 12 hours pit stop. My thinking is that their release from the Singapore pit stop could have been as early as the evening of Dec. 16 after a less than 12 hour pitstop to sometime Dec. 17 (to be determined by what I show below). The screencap posted earlier today by puddin on the ep. 10 thread clearly showed arrival at Shanghai's Pudong Airport (code PVG) at gate 10. That is in Terminal 1 and the only flights into PVG either nonstop from Shanghai or from Hong Kong (where teams could have connected from Singapore) are by China Eastern Airlines. They were:

Dec. 16 SIN HKG - not feasible unless pit stop less than 8 hours and only maybe for Dan/Jordan, so ignore itDec. 17 SIN HKG - range of departures from 0653 to 1858, with arrivals from 1030 to 2240. Last one won't connect for Dec. 17 departure from HKG to PVG.

If we assume that what Claire said is correct then teams arrive around 6am on December 18, which basically leaves us with MU544.

all the 4 teams were in the same flight and they arrived Shanghai on 18 Dec., bt i cannot remember the flight no.. all i can remember is they flew from singapore and arrived here at 5:50am, bt it delayed a little bit.