snowshovel:MrEricSir: ignite ice: I don't want to wait another few decades before impartial parties look at the true data and see the direct correlations between wireless signals and an array of health risks.

Since you've already made up your mind, why do you care about science?

well, at one point, science had said that both asbestos and DDT were awesome. And how many drugs that were once deemed safe to use have been taken off the market as more datapoints were filled in.

Just because the science of today thinks something is okay, it doesn't mean that the science of tomorrow won't find things differently.

So every irrational baseless technophobic fear is justified. We should return to the stone age when everything was natural.

ArcadianRefugee:Shmopee: fanbladesaresharp: ArcadianRefugee: Every time I hear some nut claiming that Wi-Fi is causing them harm, I think of this lady:

[www.clublexus.com image 464x542]

I'm too lazy to go hunting for it but I'd sure like to know how all that turned out 8 years later. That growing mass is what, 7 now?

Best I could do. Wanders into tl;dr territory, but the first paragraph is cringe inducing and a good summary.

Here's one from just after the kid was born.

Holy balls...that last line, I think my brain about exploded from the absurdity of it...my ex-wife still smokes and my daughter damn sure knows what Mommy's doing out there on the back porch; I nearly shiat my pants the first time she mimed smoking with a straw...

GilRuiz1:farkityfarker: She is hoping to move out of Santa Monica within the year to escape the wireless soup.

Where does she plan to live where she won't be exposed to the signals from her neighbors' wireless routers?

The United States National Radio Quiet Zone; by Federal law, no wi-fi, no cell phones, no wireless anything.[upload.wikimedia.org image 250x277]"Due to the restrictions, the area has attracted people who believe they suffer from electromagnetic hypersensitivity."

Probably what the city is self-insured for. Just a guess, based on the two lawsuits I've personally seen hit family members for invented various pains and phantom medical bills that just happened to add up to exactly the limit of their $X/person, $Y/accident policy.

Shmopee:ArcadianRefugee: Shmopee: fanbladesaresharp: ArcadianRefugee: Every time I hear some nut claiming that Wi-Fi is causing them harm, I think of this lady:

[www.clublexus.com image 464x542]

I'm too lazy to go hunting for it but I'd sure like to know how all that turned out 8 years later. That growing mass is what, 7 now?

Best I could do. Wanders into tl;dr territory, but the first paragraph is cringe inducing and a good summary.

Here's one from just after the kid was born.

Holy balls...that last line, I think my brain about exploded from the absurdity of it...my ex-wife still smokes and my daughter damn sure knows what Mommy's doing out there on the back porch; I nearly shiat my pants the first time she mimed smoking with a straw...

Linkster:Shmopee: ArcadianRefugee: Shmopee: fanbladesaresharp: ArcadianRefugee: Every time I hear some nut claiming that Wi-Fi is causing them harm, I think of this lady:

[www.clublexus.com image 464x542]

I'm too lazy to go hunting for it but I'd sure like to know how all that turned out 8 years later. That growing mass is what, 7 now?

Best I could do. Wanders into tl;dr territory, but the first paragraph is cringe inducing and a good summary.

Here's one from just after the kid was born.

Holy balls...that last line, I think my brain about exploded from the absurdity of it...my ex-wife still smokes and my daughter damn sure knows what Mommy's doing out there on the back porch; I nearly shiat my pants the first time she mimed smoking with a straw...

chaosweaver:I would like to remind everyone of the following facts: paint chips are not a good snack, green glowsticks are not filled with mountain dew, and radio waves will not melt your brain. That was accomplished by your paint and glowstick fueled caniption fit.

Actually, radio waves could totally melt your brain. At power levels 1000x what a wifi router can muster.

ignite ice:It's not even just her that's concerned about this. Article mentions that there is an entire medical community that is concerned about the impact that cell phones, wireless networks, and other low-level emitters are having on their residents' health. Tobacco companies walked the same line decades ago, hiring their own internal scientists to conclude that cigarettes were safe, and people still smoke even today, despite the overwhelming evidence that cigarettes pose an enormous health risk. I don't want to wait another few decades before impartial parties look at the true data and see the direct correlations between wireless signals and an array of health risks.

Do you understand that you have been surrounded by EM Radiation your entire life? Power lines, the wiring in your house, YOUR COMPUTER, they all emit EM Radiation. So does the sun, it's all a part of the electromagnetic spectrum, you have been surrounded by it your entire life, as has every creature on the farming planet(it's a large part of how we evolved), so unless you plan to disconnect from the grid 100% and live in a giant lead box, quit your whining and stop being such a nervous Nancy.

snowshovel:MrEricSir: ignite ice: I don't want to wait another few decades before impartial parties look at the true data and see the direct correlations between wireless signals and an array of health risks.

Since you've already made up your mind, why do you care about science?

well, at one point, science had said that both asbestos and DDT were awesome. And how many drugs that were once deemed safe to use have been taken off the market as more datapoints were filled in.

Just because the science of today thinks something is okay, it doesn't mean that the science of tomorrow won't find things differently.

That is basically idiotic. "science" has never rendered an opinion that DDT or Asbestos were fit for contact with human beings. Never, not ONCE EVER. Unlike cigs and alcohol.

As far back as the 30's (1930's) the companies working with Asbestos knew it was dangerous to people. As far back as the 50's, they knew it caused meso, and they didn't even bother to warn most of their workers.

As for DDT, everyone knew right from the start that it would end up in the food chain, and they did it anyway. Not because it was considered "safe" but because it was effective and cheap.

Go fark yourself with this "science" bullshiat. SCIENCE told us this was stupid, economics told us to do it anyway, and here, something like 50 years later we have some fool spouting nonsense about what claims the scientific community did or didn't make.

You said Just because the political/economic powers of today thinks something is okay, it doesn't mean that the political/economic powers of tomorrow won't find things differentlyThere, FTFM.

Science is nice and clean, but unfortunately it basically says EVERYTHING is bad for you, especially in any quantity. Take, for instance, artificial sweeteners. Pretty much all of them have bad effects on the human body, most far worse than sugar itself is capable of, even in extreme doses. You know why they still exist? Because science doesn't get to decide what you buy, what you eat or anything of the sort. What does determine that is economics.

Only when it's more expensive to pay the lawsuits than it is to use the dangerous stuff does anything change. The reason tobacco is still around is that they managed to win in court with the idea that it's not their fault if you slowly poison yourself to death with their product. Unlike, say DDT, which was treated exactly opposite when the public finally found out how terrible the shiat was. SCIENCE knew all along, and tried to warn you.

rolladuck:Xai: even if her claim is legit - 1.7b? how do you reach that figure?

Probably what the city is self-insured for. Just a guess, based on the two lawsuits I've personally seen hit family members for invented various pains and phantom medical bills that just happened to add up to exactly the limit of their $X/person, $Y/accident policy.

Most municipal governments self insure, so there's no maximum. I'd guess the 1.7 billion sum was pulled out of her ass just like her belief that wi-fi causes her medical problems.

/Willing to bet that her only real medical problem is a lack of Vitamin T

Mikey1969:Do you understand that you have been surrounded by EM Radiation your entire life? Power lines, the wiring in your house, YOUR COMPUTER, they all emit EM Radiation. So does the sun, it's all a part of the electromagnetic spectrum, you have been surrounded by it your entire life, as has every creature on the farming planet(it's a large part of how we evolved), so unless you plan to disconnect from the grid 100% and live in a giant lead box, quit your whining and stop being such a nervous Nancy.

Even in a lead box, you'd be surrounded by EM radiation; the lead box has a blackbody spectrum, after all.

Lee Jackson Beauregard:Mikey1969: Do you understand that you have been surrounded by EM Radiation your entire life? Power lines, the wiring in your house, YOUR COMPUTER, they all emit EM Radiation. So does the sun, it's all a part of the electromagnetic spectrum, you have been surrounded by it your entire life, as has every creature on the farming planet(it's a large part of how we evolved), so unless you plan to disconnect from the grid 100% and live in a giant lead box, quit your whining and stop being such a nervous Nancy.

Even in a lead box, you'd be surrounded by EM radiation; the lead box has a blackbody spectrum, after all.

You've got a point. I had to use something to illustrate my idea, it's all I could think of at the moment.

These 'Smart Meter' Luddites are about the most annoying non-political group out there right now...

GilRuiz1:farkityfarker: She is hoping to move out of Santa Monica within the year to escape the wireless soup.

Where does she plan to live where she won't be exposed to the signals from her neighbors' wireless routers?

The United States National Radio Quiet Zone; by Federal law, no wi-fi, no cell phones, no wireless anything.[upload.wikimedia.org image 250x277]"Due to the restrictions, the area has attracted people who believe they suffer from electromagnetic hypersensitivity."

Dude, who gets to go tell them that there are still EM SIgnals bouncing all the fark around that place? If someone gives me travelling money, I'll do it!! I'll even get some film for the 8mm film camera I have so I can catch their reactions.

Just because there is no WiFi and no cell phones, it does absolutely nothing to keep them from being exposed to EM Radiation.

Jesus, this would be MUCH easier if they hadn't decided to call it farking radiation!

Mikey1969:Lee Jackson Beauregard: Mikey1969: Do you understand that you have been surrounded by EM Radiation your entire life? Power lines, the wiring in your house, YOUR COMPUTER, they all emit EM Radiation. So does the sun, it's all a part of the electromagnetic spectrum, you have been surrounded by it your entire life, as has every creature on the farming planet(it's a large part of how we evolved), so unless you plan to disconnect from the grid 100% and live in a giant lead box, quit your whining and stop being such a nervous Nancy.

Even in a lead box, you'd be surrounded by EM radiation; the lead box has a blackbody spectrum, after all.

You've got a point. I had to use something to illustrate my idea, it's all I could think of at the moment.

These 'Smart Meter' Luddites are about the most annoying non-political group out there right now...

Think of all the Infrared radiation you'd be putting out in that box! You'd have to cool it to absolute zero to get rid of that! And that's at higher energy levels than WiFi!

Mikey1969:Dude, who gets to go tell them that there are still EM SIgnals bouncing all the fark around that place? If someone gives me travelling money, I'll do it!! I'll even get some film for the 8mm film camera I have so I can catch their reactions.

Just because there is no WiFi and no cell phones, it does absolutely nothing to keep them from being exposed to EM Radiation.

Jesus, this would be MUCH easier if they hadn't decided to call it farking radiation!

Someone should warn people about all that energetic radiation coming from the Sun! Or flashlights! My goodness, the frequencies are so much higher! Not to mention ELF waves! I hear those can penetrate lead up to 100 feet thick!

Nah, it's motherinlawness, The forecast calls for an unspecified aching in the joints, a reminder it's important to get fat and lazy, and ensure you're miserable and others should be miserable also. A slight chance of fever on Fridays to ensure no one is going to have a good weekend and a mild case of ignorance and guiltiness could remain up to Sunday evening, thereby ensuring the leaden door or sadness be shut until Monday morning.

Funny, I sit next to a WiFi access point at work, and I have none of those symptoms. Wait, now that you mention it, my head does feel a little, well, funny. And my hair on the side of my head facing the AP is a little thinner. And I have these red splotches on my face, and I have....................

Johnny: Yeah, the Black Shakes. What causes it?Spider: What causes it?[points to various pieces of equipment throughout the room]Spider: This causes it! This causes it! This causes it! Information overload! All the electronics around you poisoning the airwaves. Technological farking civilization. But we still have all this shiat, because we can't live without it. Let me do my work.

fanbladesaresharp:Osomatic: bmihura: This is happening in California, which has a very high density of trial lawyers per capita, so she just might win.

Despite what you hear, we're not actually all crazy here, not even in the People's Republic of Santa Monica. I think it'll be okay. Even if she did win, good luck to her collecting it. 1.7 billion is probably the city's entire revenue for the next 20 years or so.

Go visit the Peoples Republic of Arcata. Lots of moonbats and not many lawyers. The crazy gets to simmer a while before it boils over.

Well, sure, Arcata. But I thought the serious moonbattiness in NorCal was Berkeley? Although yeah, being right there next to CSUH (which nearly became my alma mater, and thank goodness it didn't since I don't enjoy smoking weed), I can see how it'd be like that. But yeah. Especially since I'm pretty sure no Cal States have law programs, though I'm sure if anybody is still paying any attention to this thread they will tell me just how wrong I am.