It will do most of the stuff the F-22 can do for a fraction of the price....

ANdy

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Originally Posted By Mr45auto:can it supercruise? Don't think so. Is it stealthy? More so than a 747 (designed with stealth in mind, but didn't go out of its way for it) Is it intended as air superiority or multirole? Multirole. Think F-16 vs F-15. We never really hear much about it. I guess it isnt as sexy. The real work rarely is.

I'm looking forward to the day I stop being a pervert and turn into a dirty old man.

"From the front, the F/A-22's signature is -40dBsm (the size of a marble) while the F-35's is -30 dBsm (the size of a golf ball). The F-35 is said to have a small area of vulnerability from the rear because engineers reduced cost by not designing a radar blocker for the engine exhaust."

Aviation Week & Space Technology; 11/14/2005, page 27

Is it intended as air superiority or multirole?

Multi-role - think F-16 replacement

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Prolly 'bout a match 4 bird, turn on a dime, superdupercrooze sipping 80 gph (Imperial), AI, all aspect IRST, tailhook at both ends providing built in holdbacks for high performance VTO's (kind of like standing on the brakes while you rev yer hotrod before peeling out), -40 dBsm on the beam (all frequencies from daylight to dark) [BTW, that's smaller than a gnat's nuts on the Animal RCS Scale], a place to stow a $800 (1984 dollars) hammer, boolit proof winders, a microwave oven up front, and GRMS radier fer talkin'.

Originally Posted By AeroE:Prolly 'bout a match 4 bird, turn on a dime, superdupercrooze sipping 80 gph (Imperial), AI, all aspect IRST, tailhook at both ends providing built in holdbacks for high performance VTO's (kind of like standing on the brakes while you rev yer hotrod before peeling out), -40 dBsm on the beam (all frequencies from daylight to dark), a place to stow a $800 (1984 dollars) hammer, boolit proof winders, a microwave oven up front, and GRMS radier fer talkin'.

Teh shiznit.

Rendered obsolete before production by the X45 UCAV?

I worship at the church of JMB.(dad) USCG 1960s(me) USAF SP 87-91(wife) USN 83-87(s/son) USCG 05-

Originally Posted By AeroE:Prolly 'bout a match 4 bird, turn on a dime, superdupercrooze sipping 80 gph (Imperial), AI, all aspect IRST, tailhook at both ends providing built in holdbacks for high performance VTO's (kind of like standing on the brakes while you rev yer hotrod before peeling out), -40 dBsm on the beam (all frequencies from daylight to dark), a place to stow a $800 (1984 dollars) hammer, boolit proof winders, a microwave oven up front, and GRMS radier fer talkin'.

F-35s been designed to fit the needs of each of our military branches...various configurations...lower cost....its not AS stealthy as the F-22, but its pretty damn good.....its a good machine...it beat out the X-32 aircraft for the contracts.

Originally Posted By AeroE:Prolly 'bout a match 4 bird, turn on a dime, superdupercrooze sipping 80 gph (Imperial), AI, all aspect IRST, tailhook at both ends providing built in holdbacks for high performance VTO's (kind of like standing on the brakes while you rev yer hotrod before peeling out), -40 dBsm on the beam (all frequencies from daylight to dark), a place to stow a $800 (1984 dollars) hammer, boolit proof winders, a microwave oven up front, and GRMS radier fer talkin'.

Teh shiznit.

Rendered obsolete before production by the X45 UCAV?

Not hardly; I think there are a bunch of loons from the government and the company working on that job. There are signs emerging that they have a clue about what they want to build, but that could likely be a fleeting promise.

Originally Posted By Mr45auto:Will it get the gee whiz neato passive radar/supercomputer treatment too or is it more dependant on other assets like AEGIS/AWACS ?

It's a similar unit though not as capable as the F-22s (remember they are on a budget). It uses the same R/T module technology but not as many units. FYI I had worked on the F-22 Radar, but the JSF Radar project was in a separate building.

Originally Posted By Shooter_Doug:Someone I know in the industry told me all the R&D guys were goose-pimplly with the idea of a big empty space right behind the pilot with a drive shaft coming straight from the engine.

I had no idea what he meant. He explained further that not all versions will have the lift fan. They're dreaming about putting an energy weapon back there!

Now that would make it one cool plane! Fly through the area zapping things with its laser!

That would be wrong. Behind the cockpit is where the number one fuel cell is housed, which was removed to accomadate the VTOL versions.

Originally Posted By Mr45auto:Will it get the gee whiz neato passive radar/supercomputer treatment too or is it more dependant on other assets like AEGIS/AWACS ?

It's a similar unit though not as capable as the F-22s (remember they are on a budget). It uses the same R/T module technology but not as many units. FYI I had worked on the F-22 Radar, but the JSF Radar project was in a separate building.

Originally Posted By Mr45auto:Will it get the gee whiz neato passive radar/supercomputer treatment too or is it more dependant on other assets like AEGIS/AWACS ?

It's a similar unit though not as capable as the F-22s (remember they are on a budget). It uses the same R/T module technology but not as many units. FYI I had worked on the F-22 Radar, but the JSF Radar project was in a separate building.

Is the F-35 Radar LPI also?

Even the radar altimeter in the F-35 is LPI!

And it has an IRST system....EOTS!

Electro-Optical Targeting System (EOTS)The same joint venture, with Lockheed Martin in the lead role, is developing the electro-optical targeting system (EOTS). EOTS will provide extended-range detection and precision targeting of ground threats plus long-range detection of air-to-air threats. EOTS combines passive air-to-air detection and track with long-range laser designation and ranging of air and ground targets.

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Originally Posted By Mr45auto:Will it get the gee whiz neato passive radar/supercomputer treatment too or is it more dependant on other assets like AEGIS/AWACS ?

It's a similar unit though not as capable as the F-22s (remember they are on a budget). It uses the same R/T module technology but not as many units. FYI I had worked on the F-22 Radar, but the JSF Radar project was in a separate building.

Is the F-35 Radar LPI also?

Even the radar altimeter in the F-35 is LPI!

And it has an IRST system....EOTS!

Electro-Optical Targeting System (EOTS)The same joint venture, with Lockheed Martin in the lead role, is developing the electro-optical targeting system (EOTS). EOTS will provide extended-range detection and precision targeting of ground threats plus long-range detection of air-to-air threats. EOTS combines passive air-to-air detection and track with long-range laser designation and ranging of air and ground targets.

What I have yet to find out about the JSF is it's AA capability. As the F-16 ages, it's loosing agility due to increased weight (too bad Agile Falcon never got green-lighted), but it's still not bad. How agile is/will the JSF be in comparison?

Originally Posted By ChiefPilot:What I have yet to find out about the JSF is it's AA capability. As the F-16 ages, it's loosing agility due to increased weight (too bad Agile Falcon never got green-lighted), but it's still not bad. How agile is/will the JSF be in comparison?

Originally Posted By CMOS:You know, all this technology is really cool, but I still have not seen a better wat to get a bunch of ROPER's out of a Mosque or small building - other than some Marines getting boots dirty.

Just a thought..........

It still comes down to the very smallest of details....

CMOS

Nuke payload, problem solved.

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Originally Posted By Shooter_Doug:Someone I know in the industry told me all the R&D guys were goose-pimplly with the idea of a big empty space right behind the pilot with a drive shaft coming straight from the engine.

I had no idea what he meant. He explained further that not all versions will have the lift fan. They're dreaming about putting an energy weapon back there!

Now that would make it one cool plane! Fly through the area zapping things with its laser!

That would be wrong. Behind the cockpit is where the number one fuel cell is housed, which was removed to accomadate the VTOL versions.

And that fuel cell will be removed and replaced with the laser when it is ready. They paid a big weight premium for having all the engines with the drive shaft, rather than just the VTOL ones, they arent going to waste it.

The F-35 will be to the F-22 what the F-16 has been to the F-15......a complimentary workhorse that can do a bit of everything, but with a reduced pricetag and with a bit less capability in some areas than an F-22.

"No kill like a guns kill! A Lima up the tailpipe is too good for any Gomer! Close with the miserable Commie bastard and put a few rounds of 20 Mike-Mike through his g*ddamn canopy! If he hits the silk, gun his ass as he swings!"

Originally Posted By Winston_Wolf:... Two different missions. Not apples to oranges.

... Folks like to dog-breath our beloved SuperHornet - but she is as capable now, and for the foreseeable future, as any fighter fielded worldwide.

ANY fighter fielded worldwide?

I can name a couple off the top of my head that could fly rings around it literally!

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Originally Posted By CMOS:You know, all this technology is really cool, but I still have not seen a better wat to get a bunch of ROPER's out of a Mosque or small building - other than some Marines getting boots dirty.

Just a thought..........

It still comes down to the very smallest of details....

CMOS

The JSF will replace the maintenance-heavy and limited capacity Harrier on our Amphib decks; so the Marines get a huge jump in CAS capability when operating independently of the carrier fleet.

"The nation that will insist upon drawing a broad line of demarcation between the fighting man and the thinking man is liable to find its fighting done by fools and its thinking by cowards."

"From the front, the F/A-22's signature is -40dBsm (the size of a marble) while the F-35's is -30 dBsm (the size of a golf ball). The F-35 is said to have a small area of vulnerability from the rear because engineers reduced cost by not designing a radar blocker for the engine exhaust."

Aviation Week & Space Technology; 11/14/2005, page 27

Interesting numbers. While any good aero and LO engineer can do some napkin calculations and provide them to Aviation Leak...I have a hunch that these numbers are not from a reliable government source.

Stealth technology is now one of our most closely guarded secrets...on all applications. The numbers quoted are VERY tiny. Additionally, there is no detail provided as to radar types, position of the aircraft in the anechoic chamber, etc. I can assure you that the radar cross seciton or "signature" varies greatly with roll, pitch and yaw axes variations with respect to the radar.

Anyway...both are very small and good planes. We ought to buy lots of them....AFTER we buy new rifles, radios, pistols, armor, boots, MREs and ammo for the grunts.

"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid." Dwight D. Eisenhower

Originally Posted By vito113:It will do most of the stuff the F-22 can do for a fraction of the price....

ANdy

Remains to be seen if that fraction will be 30% or 110%...

Of course, we will never be able to afford more than a handful before the program is cancelled anyway. Sorta like all those Comanches we got for the billions we spent...oh yeah, we didn't get anything for all that money. Never mind.