Thanks so much Rad for your feedback and answer. Your historical clarification and the EA amplification of its meaning and purpose are very enlightening to me. I was now looking a bit at Lindberg’s chart in relation to both, very interesting to trace this issue of equality/inequality.With gratitudeGod BlessMirta

Thanks so much Rad for your feedback and answer. Your historical clarification and the EA amplification of its meaning and purpose are very enlightening to me. I was now looking a bit at Lindberg’s chart in relation to both, very interesting to trace this issue of equality/inequality.With gratitudeGod BlessMirta

Hi Mirta and all of you,

Here are the birth charts of Lincoln, Lindbergh, Obama, and photo of Charles Lindbergh. If you look closely at this photo and combine it with a photo of Lincoln you can pretty easily see the contours of both within the face of Obama.

Of course the EA connections to these charts, as the same Soul, are stunning. Relative to what you asked me, and my answer, it is then even more stunning to see that S.Node of Lucifer for Lindbergh is at 21 Leo, and the N.Node is at 17 Aquarius. His natal Lucifer is in Cancer in his 8th House at 17 degrees. The archetypes of Capricorn and Cancer as it's polarity correlate with the nature of the different races of human beings. So these symbols clearly correlate with the issue that you have brought up.

God Bless, Rad

Here is a link to a speech that Obama made about slavery. It is so interesting when we consider the history of his Soul as demonstrated in this thread.

HI RadThanks for the information. Yes, it’s stunning to see the connections, stimulating also. Seeing Obama as a Soul speaking about the Proclamation and modern slavery was really moving. I had seen that Pluto is also in 7th house in Lindbergh’s chart, together with Neptune, and Lucifer’s SN and NN conjunct Obama and Lincoln's. But I didn’t know Capricorn-Cancer’s correlation with the nature of the different races of human beings. Very interesting.

I couldn’t take the time to read about Lindberg’s life as I should have done. However, seeing his chart as a transition between Lincoln and Obama, suggested to me some reflections. I would like to see if they make sense, if possible for you.In Lindberg’s chart Pluto is in 7th house Gemini in a mutable T-square with Lincoln and Obama. Each of them means a crisis in action relative to the former, while Obama’s is in gibbous opposition to Lincoln.Lucifer’s SN and NN are conjunct in all of them. Really stunning!But in Lindbergh Lucifer is in Cancer in 8th house and conjunct Pluto and Saturn’s NN (in a Grand Trine with Lincoln’s Pluto and Jupiter in Pisces and Uranus conjunct NN in 9th house Scorpio). It seems to me that the Bearer of Light was intending to lead the soul to experiencing the emotional aspects of equality/difference in general and especially regarding physical differences between races, and seeking the causes of them in cultural conditioning and beliefs, as well as the wounds produced by the values based on that beliefs. (Lucifer opposite Jupiter, Saturn and Chiron in 2nd house Cap, conjunct Sn Jupiter, Pluto, Venus, Mercury and Saturn). God’s consciousness was intending to guide the Soul to throw off these values by means of a metamorphosis in the self-image that could incorporate emotional self-knowledge. Knowing that there is (in him and others) something larger than the egocentric structure with its physical and social differences would follow. You said that “We need to remember too that the Soul of Lincoln / Obama also manifested as Charles Lindbergh who for a time glorified the Aryan race while persecuting the Jewish race at the same time during WW2. Towards the end of that life he did totally change that attitude wherein 'all men are created equal'. “

Lindbergh’s Lucifer is also opposite Lincoln’s Cap Moon conjunct Saturn and Pluto SN, and Obama’s Saturn in Cap conjunct Jupiter in Aquarius. Aquarius, the sign of Lucifer’s NN in all three begins to manifest in the belief system. . . but not only believing as you said but also living the integration of differences in himself and trying to extend it to others, to society. Lucifer is also trine Moon’s NN that is conjunct Lincoln’s NN and Uranus, and in the same degree with Obama’s Neptune (GT Venus in Cancer and Chiron in Pisces) in 9th house. In the video about slavery Obama spoke about migrant workers deluded by traffickers, that foreign-born workers should know their rights, about treating victims as victims and not as criminals, as well as “better serve those who are vulnerable”.

Another observation regarding Lucifer’s phase in relation to Pluto.In Lincoln’s chart Lucifer is gibbous opposition Pluto, which reflects the need of throwing off this sense of superiority. In Lindbergh Lucifer is New Phase semisextil Pluto suggesting the need of a conscious identification with a new evolutionary purpose, that includes an emotional consideration of other souls. And Obama’s Lucifer conjunct Sun and Neptune NN is balsamic Pluto, the Soul is recreating unfinished issues in order to culminate the evolutionary process, challenged to let go of the past and remain committed to a timeless, essential vision of human beings .

A question: I cannot clearly see what’s the correlation between Capricorn and the different human races. Is it something historic as gender assignment’s correlation with patriarchy? Or is it archetypal? In that case is it related to rigid structures and boundaries like nationalism or patriotism? With gratitudeGod BlessMirta

First, all your realizations / insights that you shared are exactly right. Second your question: " A question: I cannot clearly see what’s the correlation between Capricorn and the different human races. Is it something historic as gender assignment’s correlation with patriarchy? Or is it archetypal? In that case is it related to rigid structures and boundaries like nationalism or patriotism? "

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It is archetypal. Remember that one of the correlations of Saturn, Capricorn, and the 10th House is one of boundaries. A natural boundary for the human body is one of the skin, and the pigmentation of the skin. The pigmentation of the skin correlates with a hormone called melanin. The proportions of melanin within the body thus are the determinant for the color on the skin on the human body. Such proportions are then the cause of brown, black, white, red and yellow skins. These of course correlate with the races of human beings. Thus racial identities that become the basis of racial boundaries which in turn become the causative basis specific types of tribes, cultures, societies, and countries.

Within this archetype of course it does also correlate with national groups of people such as the Roma people, the Jewish people, the Romanian people, etc, etc, etc.

The Cancer, Moon, and the 4th House polarity to this manifests, as we have learned, to the ego within Soul in any given life wherein the ego correlates to the sense of personal identity. Thus, the ego that then says, "I am African-American" or "I am ".... whatever race that they are born into. "I am a Roman", "I am Jewish", etc, etc, etc.

From an EA point of view of course we need to discover why the Soul chooses to be born into whatever racial and cultural identity relative to it's ongoing evolutionary and karmic requirements and needs.

Ok, we will begin again at the top of next week: Monday. Let me know what your preferences would be between doing real people like we just did with Obama, and hypothetical charts wherein we use the EA paradigm to develop context that then allows us to understand the placement, the why of it, of Lucifer and it's Nodes.

For those who wish to continue with real people please feel free to post those folks that interest you like Gonzalo has.

Ooh! Linda what a great and exciting list!I'm drawn into Mozart, have actually been thinking about him a lot these days. Him and Anne Frank feel like really fascinating case studies given the nature of their own contributions to the world.

Mozart had Lucifer in Sag squaring his nodes.Frank had Lucifer in Pisces in the 8th ruled by Neptune which squared her nodes.

Of course I'm grateful for whatever charts we get to work with here.With love,am