Comments on: 2 firefighters die in ambush at blazing NY househttp://blog.timesunion.com/crime/2-firefighters-die-in-ambush-at-blazing-ny-house/12965/
Coverage of crime and corruption in the Capital RegionMon, 09 Feb 2015 14:56:06 +0000hourly1https://wordpress.org/?v=4.7.5By: agreesonewhathttp://blog.timesunion.com/crime/2-firefighters-die-in-ambush-at-blazing-ny-house/12965/#comment-87201
Sun, 30 Dec 2012 07:54:19 +0000http://blog.timesunion.com/crime/?p=12965#comment-87201Since the tragedy in Connenicuut everything is being spun around gun control. Gun control would have no effect on these events. Bad guys always have, and always will have guns. The liberal media is just pouncing on firing everyone up. Even if we instituted new laws it would take years to eliminate the guns and magazines that already exist, why because the bad guys will not go turn them in when the new law is passed. I am not one that believes that the average person should possess a 50 cal rifle, but an AR15 is no less dangerous than a lot of other sporting weapon available at Dicks or Wal-Mart. The answer is to actually prosecute the bad people. Liberal views and laws have allowed bad people with guns to have no real deterrent. Why not enforce the laws we already have properly or impose stricter penalties on those who have weapons that shouldn’t. I retired from police work several years ago. I can’t tell you how many felons with guns walked away with probation or light sentences when caught. As a police officer I have no issue with good people having guns, it’s the bad ones you have to worry about. How about if you shouldn’t have one you get locked up for 10 or 20 years? Deterrence in the answer just like telling your kids no and sticking with it. If you tell your child he’s getting grounded for misbehaving and give in early not following through they will do it again because they know you won’t stick with the punishment. Same principal. Laws are based upon mutual respect and morals, how about we follow through with our punishments instead of plea bargains and light sentences for certain things. Weapons violations are not a case for rehabilitation, drug and alcohol use fall into that category. Having a gun when you shouldn’t is something anyone can control. It’s not a sickness or illness. We have gun control, especially in NYS, in fact some of the strictest in the nation. How about we just use it, follow through and actually enforce it instead of passing new laws. On another note my school taxes are insane, why can’t that fund one police officer in every school? It’s a win, win. The kids have contact everyday with a police officer and they are safer. The cost of a police officer in school for most jurisdictions would be less than that of a teacher’s salary. Many new police officers today possess a wealth of knowledge and are highly educated. How about we hire them specific and have them carry a dual role, teacher and police officer. Everyone complains about police officers being undereducated, how about we offer an incentive to increase their educational level? It’s common on the west coast. In fact different degrees are required for promotion in many agencies. I know this has strayed off base from the topic, but there are already measures and options in place to prevent such things, we just fail to use the tools we have been given properly. As far as this guy’s crime shooting the firemen upon arrival the type of gun had no effect, a simple hunting rifle could have caused the same amount of damage, heck if he really wanted to kill these poor men he could have used several different things instead of a gun. This guy was just plain crazy; he could have accomplished this without a gun if he was set on doing it. We also have to ask the question of why was he free after serving 18 years from beating someone to death with a hammer. Why should someone like this ever be allowed to walk the earth as a free man again? Laws were in place to prevent him from being there; we just chose to not apply them. This man committed a brutal murder in the past, why on earth would we believe he wouldn’t do it again? The amount of crimes committed by probationers and parolees is sickening, and what does NYS do? They make it harder for the parole officers to violate someone and strip them of the power to do this without the approval of some detached administrators approval. Let’s fix what we have first and apply it correctly before we pass any more poorly thought out knee jerk reaction laws. While we are on the topic why don’t we ask people worth experience (DA’s, Judges, Police/Parole Officers) what laws to pass and strengthen? I don’t know about you but I’m pretty sure people like Chuck Schumer and other political hacks have no idea what the actual problem is out there. We need more everyday people in politics, these career politicians are disconnected from society and are only trying to get their face on the news. I was always told never make big decisions based upon emotion. Take time to think about it, research and think it out, but get input from experienced people. By the way Times Union, your recent editorials are just playing upon emotions. Please tell me how your editors have any real experience dealing with any matters concerning guns and violence. It’s always easy to Monday morning quarterback, why don’t you go out and solicit some real world opinions from people who have actually experienced or been involved in such events? I know it’s your job to sell papers, but you are educated people, don’t you think you should at least make an effort to talk to real people and not push the agendas of politicians and play on the emotions of the public? Everyone under the sun has a blog on the TU site from fashion, farm life and the professor’s wife. Why don’t you have a blog where people can ask questions of law enforcement be it DA’s police or parole officers? Don’t you think that would be a worthy subject? Instead of just bashing, complaining about and offering one sided opinions maybe the public and there officials could open up a means of communication.
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Sat, 29 Dec 2012 17:47:37 +0000http://blog.timesunion.com/crime/?p=12965#comment-87174Everyone seems to think that these recent tragedies are because of a failure of adequate gun laws. I feel that they are a failure of the mental health system. In Webster and in Newtown, both killers were obviously mentally ill and able to plan and then carry out ambush attacks. While guns are more technically efficient, lives would have been lost because they would have found another weapon/tool.

In NYC once again an innocent person was pushed in front of a subway train an killed. Based on witness accounts and the previous incident in the past month, another mentally ill person randomly attacked and killed another person.

Not everyone with a diagnosis of mental illness is going to commit these crimes, however the system has in the past several years become more focused on not “stigmatizing” patients and do not want to force treatment even when they pose a threat to others.

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Sat, 29 Dec 2012 02:47:48 +0000http://blog.timesunion.com/crime/?p=12965#comment-87141Teddy-
Why don’t you get a one way ticket to either an insane hospital or some other country and see how they would deal with the likes of you.
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Fri, 28 Dec 2012 21:26:21 +0000http://blog.timesunion.com/crime/?p=12965#comment-87127Or for that matter the Chinese embassy…
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Fri, 28 Dec 2012 21:25:01 +0000http://blog.timesunion.com/crime/?p=12965#comment-87126@elmer: are you sure you want the answer to that question? I’m just hoping he doesn’t live near any federal government buildings!
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Fri, 28 Dec 2012 18:27:26 +0000http://blog.timesunion.com/crime/?p=12965#comment-87121Teddy, your post could have been written by Timothy McVeigh–do you realize that? Are you comfortable with that?
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Fri, 28 Dec 2012 01:11:40 +0000http://blog.timesunion.com/crime/?p=12965#comment-870881. Its not just MY pissant weapon that will be fighting off an invasion, it will be everyone who answers the call of the militia (and whatever pissant weapons they may have)
2. i will have to agree that my vote does more to preserve freedom than my rifle, however if the first amendment doesnt work, the second one will. also “If you vote, a lot of your types don’t.” uhh … were you going to finish that or just leave that hangin?
3. there isnt a push by the uber-left media to strip muslims of their right to religion or drug dealers the right to counsel, if there was and the situation escelated (like it seems to be on this arms issue) to a point where militias were called to arms because the government for the people is no longer the government it was intended to be and has grown too big than yes, absolutly i would follow my militia anywhere and under any circumstances. i am just one man in a militia of many ready and willing to fight for the rights of millions. so what if i die? im just a tiny piece of a HUGE picture fighting for what i believe in. how can you knock on a guy for that?
im not some war hungry tyranical dirt bag who just wants to shoot everyone or thinks he can take on an army by himself thats just silly, but when an oppressive government tries to strip the common man of basic civil rights you need to decide if your going to be a part of doing something about it or just sit on the sidelines with your thumb up your hoo haa and watch the government take and take and take until there is nothing left to take but your involuntary servitude. seeing as i am no quitter, I would never give up a fight to save the constitution and ALL the rights that are layed out in it. thats WHY im militia. and you can be too. in fact i encourage it.
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Thu, 27 Dec 2012 17:06:24 +0000http://blog.timesunion.com/crime/?p=12965#comment-87071@Teddy – WTF?!?!?!
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Thu, 27 Dec 2012 15:19:11 +0000http://blog.timesunion.com/crime/?p=12965#comment-87067Teddy, that’s pathetic.

One, you think your pissant weapon is going to fight off any army, Chinese or otherwise.

Two, your ownership of a gun does far less to preserve our freedom than your vote does. If you vote, a lot of your types don’t.

Three, will you fight TO THE DEATH to preserve the other freedoms in the Bill of Rights? Things like the right of Muslims to practice their religion, or the right of a drug dealer to be represented by competent counsel?

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Wed, 26 Dec 2012 22:45:24 +0000http://blog.timesunion.com/crime/?p=12965#comment-87020thank you Tom Baker in #7, i enjoyed that video thoughroly.
Assault rifle (defined): a firearm of choice of those who are MILITIA members and plan on fighting off a chinese invasion once they get sick of us owing them money.
… ok anti-gun nuts, lets be real. do you know of any drug dealer that WONT break your knee caps for not paying up? China will want their money sooner or later and if obama waits too long theyll stop asking and just come and take it … take our guns away now and we wont have them upon invasion from foreign countries, or, perhaps more importantly (and just as likely with the clown we have in the white house,) their own government. im so sick of hearing “10 round, 20 round, 30 round clips are the problem, the only place those are nessassery are on the battlefield” trying to shine a negative light on guns and act as if they themselves are immune to any kind of invasion or war that my present itself in their own back yard at any time. why yes, they are designed for the battlefield and thats where our private militas intend on using them upon foreign invasion. WAKE UP! we need a well trained civilian military force now more than ever. and who are those civilians? you, your neighbors, friends, and family that all love freedom so much but take it for granted with their ignorance to the important roll firearms play in keeping us all safe. Remember learnig about the revolutionary war in school? do you remember that it wasnt an american ARMY that fought and died for our freedoms, it was us, in the form of a “well regulated militia”! farmers with pitchforks is what they took us for! and now we have the right to bear arms thanks to those brave souls, and every country in the world hesitates to invade us knowing that we are one of the only places on earth that allow our citizens the god given right to defend ourselves. take into conideration this, it was more important for our founding fathers to state in the 2nd amendment WHY we have the right to bear arms before even stating the right itself. now tell me, how are we supposed to be able to fight with inadequate equipment and improper training, (let alone lowered morale from years of having our rights trampled by this tyrant obama), its only a recipie for disaster. i feel really bad for those kids in conn and these firefighters, but you need to look at the big picture. if this ever happened to me or family members of mine i would be absolutly devistated, but i wouldnt go out and try and blame the world and try to take rights away from everyone else because something bad happened to ME and or my family. Freedom isnt free, a quote … “… From time to time, the soil of liberty must be stained with the blood of martyrs …” – Thomas Jefferson. if you anti-gun psycos out there still dont get it, let me try another way … i will fight TO THE DEATH for every amricans right to own a firearm, i doubt you show the same passion for your cause, and since you are not willing to fight to the death to keep firearms out of the hands of all american citizens and since you dont show nearly the passion for your cause as i do, gun rights will always prevail!
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