sisterinarms:It's always seemed strange to me that both the Native Americans and Jews endured genocide, yet the Jews are looked at as brave survivors and the Native Americans as pussies. It makes me lean toward believing the whole racism against brown people thing. Americans know more about what Hitler did to the Jews than what their ancestors helped do to the Native Americans. it isn't any different. It is just as horrific and terrible. The fact that the government STILL will not honor land contracts is ridiculous as well. The Natives are still caught up in legal battles that have lasted since before your great grandmother lost her virginity. Yet we send tons of weapons and money to Israel every farking day.

When native americans own the media and occupy high levels of government, then they will get the money and respect they deserve....till then, it's easy to keep them pushed down.

ZeroCorpse:The only thing they ever had going for them was Gwen's "fark me daddy" baby voice.

The first time I ever experienced No Doubt it was at a musical festival in 1996 (Endfest). They were on the main stage, and a little known local Christian punk band called MxPx was playing on the second stage. Practically no one was at the second stage. Then Gwen Stafani comes out and goes off for about five minutes about "girl power" in that high-pitched squirrel voice of hers. By the time they started playing their first song, about 75% of the audience had gone to the second stage and MxPx played for what was probably the largest crowd they'd ever seen. Shortly thereafter MxPX got their first major label deal.

So, if you're an MxPx fan, you pretty much have Gwen Stefani's bullshiat girl power nonsense to thank for their success.

Genuine Indians have a point: they have been shoved aside onto lands of no value into Indian ghettos.

The white people who claim sanctity of being an "Indian" are the ones who piss me off. Indians might generate more sympathy if we didn't have to endure the endless stream of "I'm 1/32 Cherokee on my mother's side." Their unctuous, pseudo-stoic countenance, coupled with their smarmy holier-than-thou-worship-Man-Above attitude makes me want to slap the lot of them.

EyeballKid:OrygunFarker: At what point do you start calling Native American's the biggest pussies the Earth has ever known?

The minute any white group (Methodists, left-handed people, Kiwanis Club members, etc.) has to endure what the people who were on the Trail of Tears endured.

/fark Andrew Jackson with a rusty tomahawk

Most of our ancestors have had to endure terrible things at one point or another. See: Europe and the various groups that raped and pillaged through Europe (particularly the Romans) and Asia (see: Mongols). New people and new religions are brought in, forcefully, and the native peoples (like the people of England by the Romans) find their old culture is lost and have to adapt to a new culture. (see: Christianity pretty much everywhere it goes. Islam as well.) The biggest differences are that the nation that has destroyed them is starting to have a change of heart and the time scale - the nation still exists to criticize.

Eventually we all have to get over the past and start working toward the future, because like it or not, there's no going back to the past.

Spanky McStupid:Genuine Indians have a point: they have been shoved aside onto lands of no value into Indian ghettos.

The white people who claim sanctity of being an "Indian" are the ones who piss me off. Indians might generate more sympathy if we didn't have to endure the endless stream of "I'm 1/32 Cherokee on my mother's side." Their unctuous, pseudo-stoic countenance, coupled with their smarmy holier-than-thou-worship-Man-Above attitude makes me want to slap the lot of them.

Ugh!

They aren't forced to stay in their "Indian ghettos" they can leave anytime they want and go ahead and buy houses and get jobs wherever they choose.

Techhell:EyeballKid: OrygunFarker: At what point do you start calling Native American's the biggest pussies the Earth has ever known?

The minute any white group (Methodists, left-handed people, Kiwanis Club members, etc.) has to endure what the people who were on the Trail of Tears endured.

/fark Andrew Jackson with a rusty tomahawk

Most of our ancestors have had to endure terrible things at one point or another. See: Europe and the various groups that raped and pillaged through Europe (particularly the Romans) and Asia (see: Mongols). New people and new religions are brought in, forcefully, and the native peoples (like the people of England by the Romans) find their old culture is lost and have to adapt to a new culture. (see: Christianity pretty much everywhere it goes. Islam as well.) The biggest differences are that the nation that has destroyed them is starting to have a change of heart and the time scale - the nation still exists to criticize.

Eventually we all have to get over the past and start working toward the future, because like it or not, there's no going back to the past.

Basically, 99% of people had their ancestors enslaved in one form or another for most of human history. Sure, it may not have been called slavery, but the difference between classical slavery and, say, being a peasant, was nominal at best. Just like everyone's ancestors killed off whatever native peoples were living where they settled. It's not like the Cherokee were the first people in the southern Appalachians or the Celts didn't exterminate entire civilizations themselves.

OrygunFarker:At what point do you start calling Native American's the biggest pussies the Earth has ever known?

Seriously, they get enraged at just about anything except government checks and booze.

Those government checks are actually a tiny pittance of what's owed to them. There's billions sitting in a BIA managed trust that the US government still thinks Indians are too primitive to manage themselves. Those billions were made through payments for mining and drilling primarily.

Spanky McStupid:Genuine Indians have a point: they have been shoved aside onto lands of no value into Indian ghettos.

The white people who claim sanctity of being an "Indian" are the ones who piss me off. Indians might generate more sympathy if we didn't have to endure the endless stream of "I'm 1/32 Cherokee on my mother's side." Their unctuous, pseudo-stoic countenance, coupled with their smarmy holier-than-thou-worship-Man-Above attitude makes me want to slap the lot of them.

Ugh!

On top of that sort, there are also the genuine natives that teach hate, how the hurt of past generations is encoded into their DNA(so they have a scientifically proven right to still be angry over what happened to distant ancestors), and how their creationist values replace how their people came to be on this continent(each of the 52 or whatever tribes has their own creation myth and they don't want migration taught at all, how global warming has something mystical to do with people not burning buffalo shiat...

Seriously, I'm not making this shiat up. At least that's what's preached in the k-8 school I work in(glorified janitor, hey, times are tough, but i had to sit through all the training for the white employees, was interesting to see the shocked faces of the new teachers, as if they didn't expect some BS of that flavor, gradeschool teachers are a naive lot).

Sure, it's tragic that there were still government run clinics that were sterilizing natives as late as the 70's. A lot of tragic things have happened to them since the white man came over the pond, and it's good to know your accurate history. But let's not pick and choose what, and entirely fabricate things in order to teach the hatred, and then piss and moan over how your people are afflicted with "red rage" (a term a native coined, btw) as a way of coping with what happened before their parents' parents were born(in some cases).

Sad that their kids, mostly from abusive or neglected homes, get funding to have a nice private sort of school, and it gets all farked up with that bullshiat. Good cause, for the right reason, worst possible implementation.

sisterinarms:It's always seemed strange to me that both the Native Americans and Jews endured genocide, yet the Jews are looked at as brave survivors and the Native Americans as pussies. It makes me lean toward believing the whole racism against brown people thing. Americans know more about what Hitler did to the Jews than what their ancestors helped do to the Native Americans. it isn't any different. It is just as horrific and terrible. The fact that the government STILL will not honor land contracts is ridiculous as well. The Natives are still caught up in legal battles that have lasted since before your great grandmother lost her virginity. Yet we send tons of weapons and money to Israel every farking day.

That's a very good point but maybe it's not so much overt racism but more of a "that's there, this is here" mixed with the desire to not think to hard about our own atrocities.

sisterinarms:It's always seemed strange to me that both the Native Americans and Jews endured genocide, yet the Jews are looked at as brave survivors and the Native Americans as pussies. It makes me lean toward believing the whole racism against brown people thing. Americans know more about what Hitler did to the Jews than what their ancestors helped do to the Native Americans. it isn't any different. It is just as horrific and terrible. The fact that the government STILL will not honor land contracts is ridiculous as well. The Natives are still caught up in legal battles that have lasted since before your great grandmother lost her virginity. Yet we send tons of weapons and money to Israel every farking day.

Seriously? 6 million Jews were actively killed by the nazis in like 1/2 a decade.

There was absolutely nothing comparable done to American Indians. Pushed off land, restricted to reservations et al, were all unjust, but to compare it to the holocaust is idiotic.

Plus, the Jews got back up off their asses and have moved forward and prospered. Native Americans are still whining for more aid.

But, I agree that we shouldnt give any aid to Israel. And I consider any Jews still whining about the holocaust (ADL, for example), just as much of whiny pussies as I consider Indians complaining about sports team names etc.

EyeballKid:OrygunFarker: At what point do you start calling Native American's the biggest pussies the Earth has ever known?

The minute any white group (Methodists, left-handed people, Kiwanis Club members, etc.) has to endure what the people who were on the Trail of Tears endured.

/fark Andrew Jackson with a rusty tomahawk

This has to be one of the dumber things I've seen on Fark.

That said, why the fark wouldn't No Doubt think that appropriating/mocking other people's cultures would result in complaints? There's a difference between free speech and expecting people not to be pissed off.

Spanky McStupid:Genuine Indians have a point: they have been shoved aside onto lands of no value into Indian ghettos.

The white people who claim sanctity of being an "Indian" are the ones who piss me off. Indians might generate more sympathy if we didn't have to endure the endless stream of "I'm 1/32 Cherokee on my mother's side." Their unctuous, pseudo-stoic countenance, coupled with their smarmy holier-than-thou-worship-Man-Above attitude makes me want to slap the lot of them.

Ugh!

Just a point of clarification: you do know that they, like all other Americans, are allowed to move. They're not forced to live on the reservations anymore.

meanmutton:Spanky McStupid: Genuine Indians have a point: they have been shoved aside onto lands of no value into Indian ghettos.

The white people who claim sanctity of being an "Indian" are the ones who piss me off. Indians might generate more sympathy if we didn't have to endure the endless stream of "I'm 1/32 Cherokee on my mother's side." Their unctuous, pseudo-stoic countenance, coupled with their smarmy holier-than-thou-worship-Man-Above attitude makes me want to slap the lot of them.

Ugh!

Just a point of clarification: you do know that they, like all other Americans, are allowed to move. They're not forced to live on the reservations anymore.

Absolutely - you are 100% correct: they can move but most of them choose to stay put. My point was the "white" people glomb onto the sanctity of the Native American designation but are colossal douches.