He was raised in a devout Plymouth Brethren household, but broke with the Church at 14 over its failure to commit to political causes. Wallis went on to join and then lead the militant Sutdents for a Democratic Society, at Michigan State University. After colllege, he went on to attent Trinity Evangelical Divinity School in Illinios where he joined with other your seminaries in establishing the community that eventually became Sojourner. In 1979, Time magazine named Wallis one of the "50 Faces for America's Future".

Why, you may ask?

In 1977 Wallis moved his radical Sojourner community, to Washington DC, specifically to a small district named Columbia Heights, only a mile from the White House. Meanwhile, many of Wallis' old SDS comrades had founded a new Marxist organization with some older Communist Party veterens, patriotically named the New American Movement. In 1982, NAM, in turn, merged with the Democratic Socialist Organizing Committee to form Democratic Socialists of America. THE NEW ORGANIZATION TOOK PENETRATION OF ORGANIZED RELIGION VERY SERIOUSLY, IMMEDIATELY FORMING A RELIGIOUS AND SOCIALIST COMMISSION."

So it would appear that the religious left has arrived much like their deminishing religious right counterparts. However, instead of the religious right saying government should restrict abortion and gay marriage in the name of morality, the religious left is now saying that government has the right to force us buy health insurance in the name of morality. As a society we have a moral responsibility to see to it that government demands a redistribution of wealth to help the poor because this is the will of God. Both the religious right and religious left have no problem with using the authoritarian means of government to achieve their goals. In fact, Wallis was quoted as saying that private donations to the poor was woefully lacking. Only with government intervention can we see any meaningful "charity" to the poor.

So is God telling Barak Obama to do his bidding by implementing Marxist-like policies? Specifially, is God mandating Barak to seek to redistribute wealth at any oppurtunity to the poor? If so, is there anything wrong with this?

Originally posted by whodeyWho is Jim Wallace? He is Barak Obama's new spiritual advisor.

He was raised in a devout Plymouth Brethren household, but broke with the Church at 14 over its failure to commit to political causes. Wallis went on to join and then lead the militant Sutdents for a Democratic Society, at Michigan State University. After colllege, he went on to attent Trini ribute wealth at any oppurtunity to the poor? If so, is there anything wrong with this?

take it to the debates forum Spanky this is no place for republican cynicism nor of propaganda! We in Europe have a social conscience and realise, having witnessed the horrendous effects of poverty that came with war and famine, having come out the other end just a little bit more empathetic than our cousins across the water. I have really really tried hard and struggled to understand the republican mentality and especially those who profess to be Christians and as yet it evades me. What is it, dont you want everyone to have access to a health service? Why should persons not benefit from the prosperity of their nation? What it has to do with God i do not know.

Originally posted by robbie carrobietake it to the debates forum Spanky this is no place for republican cynicism nor of propaganda! We in Europe have a social conscience and realise, having witnessed the horrendous effects of poverty that came with war and famine, having come out the other end just a little bit more empathetic than our cousins across the water. I have really really t ...[text shortened]... sons not benefit from the prosperity of their nation? What it has to do with God i do not know.

But this is the perfect forum for this debate. I have been accused of lackig compassion and my Christianity by opposing policies that favor a state mandated redistribution of wealth. In fact, it would appear that you agree with Wallaces opinion that as followers of Christ we have the moral obligation to engage in politics to see to it that the poor are provided for through state mandated redistribution of wealth. Of course, this does not stop at health care, rather, this includes housing, food, and any other "need" that the poor may have.

Originally posted by robbie carrobietake it to the debates forum Spanky this is no place for republican cynicism nor of propaganda! We in Europe have a social conscience and realise, having witnessed the horrendous effects of poverty that came with war and famine, having come out the other end just a little bit more empathetic than our cousins across the water. I have really really t ...[text shortened]... sons not benefit from the prosperity of their nation? What it has to do with God i do not know.

Originally posted by whodeyWho is Jim Wallace? He is Barak Obama's new spiritual advisor.

He was raised in a devout Plymouth Brethren household, but broke with the Church at 14 over its failure to commit to political causes. Wallis went on to join and then lead the militant Sutdents for a Democratic Society, at Michigan State University. After colllege, he went on to attent Trini ...[text shortened]... ribute wealth at any oppurtunity to the poor? If so, is there anything wrong with this?

Originally posted by whodeyBut this is the perfect forum for this debate. I have been accused of lackig compassion and my Christianity by opposing policies that favor a state mandated redistribution of wealth. In fact, it would appear that you agree with Wallaces opinion that as followers of Christ we have the moral obligation to engage in politics to see to it that the poor are prov ...[text shortened]... ealth care, rather, this includes housing, food, and any other "need" that the poor may have.

so is God a democrat or a republican? my interest is in trying to understand the republican attitude? honestly Whodey i have really tried hard to get a handle on it. what shapes their values, what part has scripture played in this. I even invited my friend round only last week, who used to live in Baltimore to quiz him on what forges such a mentality, for he has lived and worked there. My conclusion was that perhaps it was a reflection of such statements as this,

(1 Timothy 6:18) . . .to work at good, to be rich in fine works, to be liberal, ready to share. . .

but it appeared to me to be a much harsher in tone than that and more of a reflection of this type of statement,

(2 Thessalonians 3:10) . . .In fact, also, when we were with you, we used to give you this order: “If anyone does not want to work, neither let him eat.”

i really do not know, perhaps you can explain the scriptural mentality with limited references to the politics. i for one would be quite grateful.

Originally posted by robbie carrobiefrom the religious who engage in politics, nope i dont think i have anything to learn other than to stay away, but i thank you for the warning.

You confuse me Robbie. On the one hand you seem to be saying that we all should have equal access to health insurance but, on the other hand, you say that you stay away from politics. In effect, you are saying that you refuse to participate in the political process of giving everyone equal access despite it being "God's will". So if it is God's will, then why not be politically active to inact his will? Are we not called to do "God's will"?

Originally posted by josephwYou mean you don't exercise your right to vote as an American citizen?

i have never voted as a British citizen, i am hardly likely to vote as an American, although i did once try to get a Pakistani passport, but when they looked at my blonde hair and blue eyes, they kicked me out the line.

Originally posted by robbie carrobieso is God a democrat or a republican? my interest is in trying to understand the republican attitude? honestly Whodey i have really tried hard to get a handle on it. what shapes their values, what part has scripture played in this. I even invited my friend round only last week, who used to live in Baltimore to quiz him on what forges such a mental ...[text shortened]... criptural mentality with limited references to the politics. i for one would be quite grateful.

"so is God a democrat or a republican?"

You mean you don't know?

God is supreme. God is the head of the only true form of government there is.

Originally posted by whodeyYou confuse me Robbie. On the one hand you seem to be saying that we all should have equal access to health insurance but, on the other hand, you say that you stay away from politics. In effect, you are saying that you refuse to participate in the political process of giving everyone equal access despite it being "God's will". So if it is God's will, then why not be politically active to inact his will? Are we not called to do "God's will"?

i a merely trying to understand the republican position, why God should take an interest in politics i really cannot say.

Originally posted by robbie carrobiei have never voted as a British citizen, i am hardly likely to vote as an American, although i did once try to get a Pakistani passport, but when they looked at my blonde hair and blue eyes, they kicked me out the line.

Ah yes! You are British. Very good. Well, I'm an American, but I'm a Christian first. I vote. It's my right.

Maybe you think that as a Christian you should not be involved in politics. Why?