I've sent an email message to Red about this. I believe Red is a good guy, but I don't think he knows what Jack has done. That's a problem that we have to face. Jack gets away with this because most people just don't know what he's done.

"May 23, 1971. That is the date, perhaps, that hang gliding officially became a sport." - Maralys Wills

"The Lambie brothers, Mark and Jack, organized the Otto Lilienthal Universal Hang Glider Championships held on a hilltop in Corona del Mar, California on May 23, 1971 to celebrate the 123rd birthday of Otto Lilienthal. This event marked the rebirth of hang gliding in the USA"

But Jack changed his post by substituting a different URL ("loserville.org"):

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This is another example of why pilots can't trust what they read on hanggliding.org. It's also another example of Jack changing the actual words that someone has posted on his forum. Fred Wilson didn't write "loserville.org", yet to anyone reading the forum, that's what they're going to think that he said.

Jack is crossing the line here again, and the pilots on hanggliding.org should raise a protest against this kind of abuse. Of course, any protest will end up ... in the basement.