I didn't even know what this program was until I started going to middle school and my dad made enough to not qualify and my lunch went from being .25 to $1.50 haha. all for helping folks in need, as we did after dad left the airforce. Lots of people abuse it though. When i worked in a grocery store they would totally waste most of the prepared food, or get some and eat most of it then try to return it. Had someone tell me I was inconsiderate for saying people should have to do a monthly drug test to recieve any benefits lol.

Government cheese was the bomb!!! We would leave it out on the counter with a knife and eat on it all day. That powdered milk could be mixed with coco powder, powdered sugar and hot water to make some mean hot chocolate too.

If they bring back the cheese and peanut butter, I would buy them their Marlboros and Natty Light to trade for it. I remember eating that at grannies house years ago.

The average monthly benefit per person was $125.79 last year. To be eligible for food stamps, the maximum gross monthly income is 130% of the federal poverty level, which for a single-person household is $12,140 and $16,460 for a household of two.

I used to know a guy that paid his neighbor cash for their Lonestar card at half value. He never would sell it to me for 10% more than what he paid for it

I worked with a guy that did this. Said he knew a crackhead that would sell him his card for 20 cents on the dollar. I spent a lot of time in my grandmother's convenient store as a kid so my view of how people skirt the system was formed at a young age.

I agree the grocery stores would fight this and that the buying home grown might actually end up costing more. Instead I'd like to see them do food stamps the way WIC is done. A list of items that can be purchased and then of those the recipients would be restricted to the cheapest brand available. The added benefit is that the foods purchased would be more healthy which in turn would help with medicare/medicaid farther down the road.

While we're on the subject and dreaming, While I'm almost always against expanding or creating new government agencies, I'd really like to see a welfare abuse investigation agency. I think it would pay for itself several times over. How many of us have witnessed abuses like those already posted on this thread? How many people are receiving benefits by falsely claiming to be single or that they're the only adult in a household with 3 or 4?

I agree the grocery stores would fight this and that the buying home grown might actually end up costing more. Instead I'd like to see them do food stamps the way WIC is done. A list of items that can be purchased and then of those the recipients would be restricted to the cheapest brand available. The added benefit is that the foods purchased would be more healthy which in turn would help with medicare/medicaid farther down the road.

While we're on the subject and dreaming, While I'm almost always against expanding or creating new government agencies, I'd really like to see a welfare abuse investigation agency. I think it would pay for itself several times over. How many of us have witnessed abuses like those already posted on this thread? How many people are receiving benefits by falsely claiming to be single or that they're the only adult in a household with 3 or 4?

Or that are on drugs or sell drugs or have more kids just so they can get more benefits...

When I was in Portland, Oregon recently, had a guy tell me the homeless people get all the free bottled water they want for free. So they get 2-3 cases, dump the water out and take empty bottles to store for 10 cents each and then buy beer or cigarettes with the cash. Very dirty city because of so many homeless people and Lib government subsidizing them.

Until then it’s just a smoke screen pandering to a base IMHO. Pandora’s box is opened on this countries welfare...gonna take a die off to curb it. There are to many indoctrinated into what it is to live a life scamming the government for sustenance.

The abuse is unreal, it's bigger than we can imagine. We are all talking about an instance here and there that we know of or heard about, it's everywhere, everyday.

I shop at Kroger's in Orange, Texas and when I have a buggy full of meat that is on sale, every single time, someone comes up and wants to buy my buggy and let me pay them half the ticket in cash.

I won't lie, I went and waited in line for 3 hours for SNAP after Harvey, I lost 2 fridges and 2 freezers worth of food and FEMA was no help. (I finally got my flood payment in January so that helped out). I saw and heard of so many people with the story to their friends "oh, I already got mine, I'm in line for Mom and Dad, my sister, my brother, they can't wait in the heat, they can't drive, they have to work today." I know that one lady got 4 families of food and too many to count that got 3 families of food. This wasn't chump change either, $1,369 for a family of 4, over $1,600 for a family of 5 on a Lonestar Card, supposed to cover 2 months of groceries. The abuse was unreal, those extra cards were sold off for a few hundred dollars each.

Regarding the amount, I have two boys, 15 & 17, both athletes, me and the wife, and I had to work at spending the money, it lasted from September through mid December. It was only 2 months worth per their system. It's just crazy.

After my mom retired, she was a volunteer for many groups and served at the local community center at the first of the month handing out the Govt food items. She got one ration for her service and that cheese and peanut butter was GREAT!! lol. There was a local restaurant that acquired a lot of that cheese each month, they had some good enchiladas, lol.

I think the farmers supply would be a great deal but in all reality, it would be too embarrassing for the needy (you get my drift,,,). Might be pretty wasteful as well with the lack of cooking skills today,,,,

He may be referring to those who voted for Obama, then again it may been a slight to blacks. I see plenty of all races using it too.

I donít care if people use it, itís the abuse and dependency that gets me.

The other side of this argument is if the private sector non profits were taking care of their communities and meeting needs there would be no cause for the govít to be in the welfare business

I argue there is no reason for anyone to be in the welfare business. Sure a very select few need help but I'd wager way over 80% is plain abuse. And I'd wager more that way over 90% of the people who "need" help with food still have nice things like a cell phone, cable TV etc.

Just end all welfare and then start over only helping those truly unable to work. And if someone is overweight so much they can't work that's simply no excuse.

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Until then itís just a smoke screen pandering to a base IMHO. Pandoraís box is opened on this countries welfare...gonna take a die off to curb it. There are to many indoctrinated into what it is to live a life scamming the government for sustenance.

Let me have a moment to tell y’all about my son’s mother...she gets her food stamps and WIC; she gets a subsidy for my son’s daycare (he’s not in daycare though, so I’m sure she splits this with whoever gives her paperwork), she gets a subsidy to help her pay rent (she bounces between relatives, and I’ve been informed she splits this with whoever she is living with), also gets unemployment (has never had a job for more than a month at a time, and goes 12+ months between those “jobs”), collects Pell Grants and student loans even though she has earned exactly zero college credits through nine semesters enrolled, and collects child support as well. Know the best part? She gets to collect all of that, except child support and the college aid, from two different states! The states know about it, but say she’s just confused and have told her to stop multiple times. Yet despite needing all of this assistance, every time we meet to pick up or drop off my son, she goes into the gas station and purchases beer and cigarettes for her and boyfriend, who also doesn’t have a job and is collecting benefits in two different states.

Let me have a moment to tell yíall about my sonís mother...she gets her food stamps and WIC; she gets a subsidy for my sonís daycare (heís not in daycare though, so Iím sure she splits this with whoever gives her paperwork), she gets a subsidy to help her pay rent (she bounces between relatives, and Iíve been informed she splits this with whoever she is living with), also gets unemployment (has never had a job for more than a month at a time, and goes 12+ months between those ďjobsĒ), collects Pell Grants and student loans even though she has earned exactly zero college credits through nine semesters enrolled, and collects child support as well. Know the best part? She gets to collect all of that, except child support and the college aid, from two different states! The states know about it, but say sheís just confused and have told her to stop multiple times. Yet despite needing all of this assistance, every time we meet to pick up or drop off my son, she goes into the gas station and purchases beer and cigarettes for her and boyfriend, who also doesnít have a job and is collecting benefits in two different states.

Until then itís just a smoke screen pandering to a base IMHO. Pandoraís box is opened on this countries welfare...gonna take a die off to curb it. There are to many indoctrinated into what it is to live a life scamming the government for sustenance.

Much like was said about the school shooting..... people arenít being taught the value of life. Some donít respect otherís lives while some donít respect their own and what they could do with it.

The amount of people on welfare that don’t need to be is staggering. If he would end that and implement a well organized system that they can’t cheat, I’m all for it.

SNAP is about $70B per year.
A lot to an individual, but that is crumbs to the $4.4T budget.
Yes it needs to be addressed but it's not like our govt is going broke behind it.
You simply have your emotions in it.
Instead of buying 29 fighter jets buy 27 and SNAP will be paid for.

Again, our time will be more efficiently spent reducing the budgets of other departments.

Y'all get so bent out of shape cause somebody makes less than $1k a month and gets $135 a month in food stamps.

I feel sorry for them actually.
If they are going to do all that for $135 a month it shows how bad their life really is.
We all pay like $50 per YEAR to fund the entire food stamp program.
Let's say 50% is fraud claims.
That means we legitimately need to give up $25 for food stamps and the other $25 is fraud.
You're really crying about $2 per month coming out of your household because somebody wants to buy name brand cereal instead of generic?
Just a bunch of complainers.

Somebody here said they applied for food stamps because of Harvey
Is he posting on TBH with a smartphone and high speed internet but yet and still applying for food stamps?

And then complains they gave him too much as he's trying furiously to spend it all.
LoL

The level of contradiction is ridiculous.
Talking smack about food stamps but yet you're in the food stamp line.
That's rich.

I'd like to piggy back on that, hate to "cherry pick" your argument but the above is all I can really answer to. I work for the government and have for 16 years in various fields. The amount of government waste is astounding. Each year each branch gets a budget that trickles down to the various bases. Each base allocates funding based on the perceived need of the various (in my case I'll use AF as that's what I know) Wing, Group and Squadron. Now the issue is this. At the end of the year (we'll use the Squadron level) the perceived need is based on the amount spent the previous year. Here's the rub. At the end of the fiscal year lets say Squadron A still has a surplus of 100,000 dollars. Might not sound like much but if spent wisely by the accounting folks it'll go a long way for training. Now if that money isn't spent it can't be "saved" for next year so it gets blown on all kinds of useless crap so that next year Squadron A can get it's full allotment (if the Squadron doesn't use it all they get less the next year based on the amount they didn't spend). By useless crap I mean new $400 sleeping bags and $200 K-bars and $700 dive watches for each member of a 3000 person Wing. Most of that stuff goes home with the members or is left laying in storage for decades. When I came on board as the equipment manager at my last place I found $1.74 million in equipment laying covered in dust from the late 90's. Another $2.2 million in personal gear laying in dust from the 2000's. The value amounts were based on the cost of the items at the time they were purchased so it might not have been 100% accurate. We turned all that stuff into DRMO to be destroyed. Stupidity. Pure stupidity. The government could adjust this to allow Squadron A to bank that funding for next FY thereby being able to save for more expensive, and necessary equipment and training.

I know this thread is about welfare but fraud falls on all levels from the top down. I feel, opinion only, that taking care of the issues at the top would help fix the issues nearer the other end.

I'd like to piggy back on that, hate to "cherry pick" your argument but the above is all I can really answer to. I work for the government and have for 16 years in various fields. The amount of government waste is astounding. Each year each branch gets a budget that trickles down to the various bases. Each base allocates funding based on the perceived need of the various (in my case I'll use AF as that's what I know) Wing, Group and Squadron. Now the issue is this. At the end of the year (we'll use the Squadron level) the perceived need is based on the amount spent the previous year. Here's the rub. At the end of the fiscal year lets say Squadron A still has a surplus of 100,000 dollars. Might not sound like much but if spent wisely by the accounting folks it'll go a long way for training. Now if that money isn't spent it can't be "saved" for next year so it gets blown on all kinds of useless crap so that next year Squadron A can get it's full allotment (if the Squadron doesn't use it all they get less the next year based on the amount they didn't spend). By useless crap I mean new $400 sleeping bags and $200 K-bars and $700 dive watches for each member of a 3000 person Wing. Most of that stuff goes home with the members or is left laying in storage for decades. When I came on board as the equipment manager at my last place I found $1.74 million in equipment laying covered in dust from the late 90's. Another $2.2 million in personal gear laying in dust from the 2000's. The value amounts were based on the cost of the items at the time they were purchased so it might not have been 100% accurate. We turned all that stuff into DRMO to be destroyed. Stupidity. Pure stupidity. The government could adjust this to allow Squadron A to bank that funding for next FY thereby being able to save for more expensive, and necessary equipment and training.

I know this thread is about welfare but fraud falls on all levels from the top down. I feel, opinion only, that taking care of the issues at the top would help fix the issues nearer the other end.

Just my .02$

Richard.

Yes, of course there is fraud and waste.

But what some dingle berry can't fathom is we need to start somewhere. So why not start with worthless people who abuse the system and don't put a dime back in? And his argument could be made for any specific place that should be cut. It's all crumbs but they all add up to a full loaf.

But what some dingle berry can't fathom is we need to start somewhere. So why not start with worthless people who abuse the system and don't put a dime back in? And his argument could be made for any specific place that should be cut. It's all crumbs but they all add up to a full loaf.

I understand and agree. You might be right in that the welfare system might be a great place to start. There is rampant abuse of that system, living in small town Texas I saw it first hand at the grocery stores where folks would walk out with two shopping carts full of groceries paid for with various gov't cards and crawl into a truck that I'd never be able to afford working two jobs. I was just saying that adjustments need to be made at all levels to get our budget back in the black.

I understand and agree. You might be right in that the welfare system might be a great place to start. There is rampant abuse of that system, living in small town Texas I saw it first hand at the grocery stores where folks would walk out with two shopping carts full of groceries paid for with various gov't cards and crawl into a truck that I'd never be able to afford working two jobs. I was just saying that adjustments need to be made at all levels to get our budget back in the black.

Zero balance budgeting is the way to go in regards to getting budgets under control. Cutting back on welfare fraud would also cut down on numerous other government expenses as well; if you can knock a quarter of the people off then you can eliminate a quarter of the infrastructure that goes into administering it. Thatís the rub though, the system is all about justifying its existence.

Take my earlier example of my son living in Louisiana and yet attending daycare in Texas. The address given for the daycare is a 2 bedroom/1 bath home in McLennan County that is administering day care services to over 100 children. Every single child registered there is on government assistance. Thatís pretty fishy, donít you think? So my question is, who in the alphabet soup of local government certified this day care center? Has no one in the various departments noticed that a two bed/one bath home is not suitable to have over 100 children there five days a week? Of course they have, but thats a number that they can throw into their annual reports and justify more money for their programs and raises for themselves.

Let me have a moment to tell yíall about my sonís mother...she gets her food stamps and WIC; she gets a subsidy for my sonís daycare (heís not in daycare though, so Iím sure she splits this with whoever gives her paperwork), she gets a subsidy to help her pay rent (she bounces between relatives, and Iíve been informed she splits this with whoever she is living with), also gets unemployment (has never had a job for more than a month at a time, and goes 12+ months between those ďjobsĒ), collects Pell Grants and student loans even though she has earned exactly zero college credits through nine semesters enrolled, and collects child support as well. Know the best part? She gets to collect all of that, except child support and the college aid, from two different states! The states know about it, but say sheís just confused and have told her to stop multiple times. Yet despite needing all of this assistance, every time we meet to pick up or drop off my son, she goes into the gas station and purchases beer and cigarettes for her and boyfriend, who also doesnít have a job and is collecting benefits in two different states.

Youíre telling me... in all seriousness though, sheís a textbook case of why ďco-parentingĒ is a sham policy of the court systems and why welfare reform wonít work with the current people running the system.

But what some dingle berry can't fathom is we need to start somewhere. So why not start with worthless people who abuse the system and don't put a dime back in? And his argument could be made for any specific place that should be cut. It's all crumbs but they all add up to a full loaf.

Because what some don't understand is efficiency.
Of the $70B in that welfare program I'd say $35B is actually needed to support the elderly, recently released felons, the mentally and physically disabled, foster kids, etc.

Let's say SNAP is run with 0% fraud it will still be a $35B program.

Y'all are emotional and mad some people are "gaming" the system every month for less than I've paid a bar tab on a Friday night or less than a round of golf.
$135 can't buy some of y'all a pair of snake boots!

Instead expending all these resources to reduce welfare fraud and get that $12B a year back that trump wants, why not buy six less tanks which takes about 5 minutes to reduce the quantity on an order instead of all this other red tape to reduce SNAP budget.

Low hanging fruit.

Once all low hanging fruit is cut then you move up the tree to things like welfare.

Somebody above said he didn't know he was on welfare until middle school.
If he did not even know that about the financial situation in his household who knows what other social welfare programs his parents benefited from?

Most times you don't simply sign up for food stamps and let that be it.
It's usually If you're signing up for food stamps you're poor enough (less than 135% of the poverty line) to be eligible for a ton of poor people benefits so it's an automatic enrolment.

Again, don't lose sight of the forest for a few pine needles you see at your local Brookshire / HEB.

Do we really need to buy 1,347,986 bombs every single year?
Will 950,000 bombs not suffice?
It's the same bomb just being bought every year and stored in a bunker.
We never use any of them.

I saw it first hand at the grocery stores where folks would walk out with two shopping carts full of groceries paid for with various gov't cards and crawl into a truck that I'd never be able to afford working two jobs.

You don't know whose truck that was.
A friend from college is always "in between jobs".
But her brother did well for himself and has a few $100k cars.
Often times we will meet up somewhere and she'll pull up to valet in one if his cars and the reactions are funny.
My wife laughs too because she knows my friend's financial situation isn't what that car represents and that the car isn't even hers!!! LoL

Moral of the story: never judge a person's pocket book by what car they are driving.

Zero balance budgeting is the way to go in regards to getting budgets under control. Cutting back on welfare fraud would also cut down on numerous other government expenses as well; if you can knock a quarter of the people off then you can eliminate a quarter of the infrastructure that goes into administering it. Thatís the rub though, the system is all about justifying its existence.

Take my earlier example of my son living in Louisiana and yet attending daycare in Texas. The address given for the daycare is a 2 bedroom/1 bath home in McLennan County that is administering day care services to over 100 children. Every single child registered there is on government assistance. Thatís pretty fishy, donít you think? So my question is, who in the alphabet soup of local government certified this day care center? Has no one in the various departments noticed that a two bed/one bath home is not suitable to have over 100 children there five days a week? Of course they have, but thats a number that they can throw into their annual reports and justify more money for their programs and raises for themselves.

Plus it would make people productive members of society which in turn would help the job market, economy, etc.

70 Billion may be what we spend on SNAP. But how much do we spend on all welfare combined from reduced lunches, SNAP, subsidized housing, everything that goes along with reduced lunches like reduced test scores, Pre-K, and the thousand other welfare items?

Plus it's way more than half abused. That's obvious but since I can't prove it to you I assume you will swear up and down all the abuse I see is just random coincidence and not really abuse LOL

Plus it's way more than half abused. That's obvious but since I can't prove it to you I assume you will swear up and down all the abuse I see is just random coincidence and not really abuse LOL

You could pull any number out your arse so why would anyone believe you if you can't prove it?
Someone on ATC swears a business is lieing about being 51%
How would They know unless they went through the company's books.
They don't.
They only go by what they see the few minutes they are in that business.

Y'all cry about liberals being in their feelings, but what you and him both are doing is going off your feelings.
You have no data.

You need data to prove things in court.

I'll give you an anecdote that was eye opening

On Sunday we take the kids to Levy park
Afterwards we visit my wife's friend's house that lives nearby and that just had twins
Long story short her and her husband split
He left actually
She has a 6 year old, 4 year old and now newborn twins
Lives in a decent house and drives a benz
Out of the blue she just says "yeah I had to apply for food stamps this week"

Oh she's a school teacher and had been off work since October because of high risk pregnancy.

Anyhow, if you saw this soccer mom using an EBT card jumping into her benz afterward you'd cry foul.
He'll even I still might.
But I don't know their household finances so I'm just like WOOOOOWWWWW

You never know what's going on in someone else's house.

So yes. Now I know someone on food stamps.
I still have no idea how she needs food stamps.
Oh. She's also a beavy whole foods shopper.
LoL
That will REALLY tick you off.

When things get better I'll start referring to her as a "Welfare Queen"
LoL
But right now that joke won't go over too well

Step one - get rid of the Benz
Step two - get rid of the house
Step three - file for child support

I am financing her extravagant lifestyle if she is on food stamps.

They have money
MONEY
But husband controls it and is hiding it
This separation is new.
She's going to be PAID
Food stamps are stop gap
Benz is paid for (it's about 6-7 years old)
LoL you know how long it takes to sell a house???
But yeah, she's about to get a big check once that TRO is filed and the child support kicks in

I only told this story to show that you don't know what a person's financial situation is like.

I still don't know how she's doing this without committing welfare fraud but it's like the tbh guy that applied for food stamps and he has a house.

Her wedding ring is probably $20k
She could pawn that instead of food stamps (but why would she do that?)

Sell her iPhone and get a flip phone?

Me and wife are wondering why she just didn't ask my wife to borrow some money to hold her over until child support kicked in.
Really weird.
Strange deal.

But yeah, she's about to get a big check once that TRO is filed and the child support kicks in

I only told this story to show that you don't know what a person's financial situation is like.

I still don't know how she's doing this without committing welfare fraud but it's like the tbh guy that applied for food stamps and he has a house.

Her wedding ring is probably $20k

She could pawn that instead of food stamps (but why would she do that?)

Sell her iPhone and get a flip phone?

Me and wife are wondering why she just didn't ask my wife to borrow some money to hold her over until child support kicked in.

Really weird.

Strange deal.

Still not the responsibility of you or I as a tax payer to cover her funding gap. Great news that the Benz is paid for. Get a loan on it or sell it for a cheaper vehicle. Get rid of the ring.....she doesnít need it anymore.

Perfect example of someone gaming the system. Your wifeís friend is part of the problem.

They have money
MONEY
But husband controls it and is hiding it
This separation is new.
She's going to be PAID
Food stamps are stop gap
Benz is paid for (it's about 6-7 years old)
LoL you know how long it takes to sell a house???
But yeah, she's about to get a big check once that TRO is filed and the child support kicks in

I only told this story to show that you don't know what a person's financial situation is like.

I still don't know how she's doing this without committing welfare fraud but it's like the tbh guy that applied for food stamps and he has a house.

Her wedding ring is probably $20k
She could pawn that instead of food stamps (but why would she do that?)

Sell her iPhone and get a flip phone?

Me and wife are wondering why she just didn't ask my wife to borrow some money to hold her over until child support kicked in.
Really weird.
Strange deal.

How is this weird or strange? Itís not either, itís abuse. She has the means to buy groceries, she just doesnít want to use them. Also, you said she applied for food stamps, doesnít mean she will qualify. People think they have hit rock bottom when that are truly so far from it.

Of the $70B in that welfare program I'd say $35B is actually needed to support the elderly, recently released felons, the mentally and physically disabled, foster kids, etc.

Let's say SNAP is run with 0% fraud it will still be a $35B program.

Y'all are emotional and mad some people are "gaming" the system every month for less than I've paid a bar tab on a Friday night or less than a round of golf.

$135 can't buy some of y'all a pair of snake boots!

Instead expending all these resources to reduce welfare fraud and get that $12B a year back that trump wants, why not buy six less tanks which takes about 5 minutes to reduce the quantity on an order instead of all this other red tape to reduce SNAP budget.

Low hanging fruit.

Once all low hanging fruit is cut then you move up the tree to things like welfare.

Somebody above said he didn't know he was on welfare until middle school.

If he did not even know that about the financial situation in his household who knows what other social welfare programs his parents benefited from?

Most times you don't simply sign up for food stamps and let that be it.

It's usually If you're signing up for food stamps you're poor enough (less than 135% of the poverty line) to be eligible for a ton of poor people benefits so it's an automatic enrolment.

Again, don't lose sight of the forest for a few pine needles you see at your local Brookshire / HEB.

Do we really need to buy 1,347,986 bombs every single year?

Will 950,000 bombs not suffice?

It's the same bomb just being bought every year and stored in a bunker.

We never use any of them.

Personally Iíll spend every last dime on defense of this country before Iíd give my $2 per month as you stated to leeches in the welfare system.

People need help from time to time, Iíve been one of them. But unlike the leeches that try to make it a lifetime benefit I did what I had to do to get myself, my wife and my daughter off of it as fast as I could.

Let me have a moment to tell yíall about my sonís mother...she gets her food stamps and WIC; she gets a subsidy for my sonís daycare (heís not in daycare though, so Iím sure she splits this with whoever gives her paperwork), she gets a subsidy to help her pay rent (she bounces between relatives, and Iíve been informed she splits this with whoever she is living with), also gets unemployment (has never had a job for more than a month at a time, and goes 12+ months between those ďjobsĒ), collects Pell Grants and student loans even though she has earned exactly zero college credits through nine semesters enrolled, and collects child support as well. Know the best part? She gets to collect all of that, except child support and the college aid, from two different states! The states know about it, but say sheís just confused and have told her to stop multiple times. Yet despite needing all of this assistance, every time we meet to pick up or drop off my son, she goes into the gas station and purchases beer and cigarettes for her and boyfriend, who also doesnít have a job and is collecting benefits in two different states.

She sounds awesome. How did you let her get away?

Seriously though, how did you hook up with someone who behaves like that?

How is this weird or strange? Itís not either, itís abuse. She has the means to buy groceries, she just doesnít want to use them. Also, you said she applied for food stamps, doesnít mean she will qualify. People think they have hit rock bottom when that are truly so far from it.

I'm saying it's strange she didn't just ask my wife for the money instead of going and applying for food stamps.

Personally Iíll spend every last dime on defense of this country before Iíd give my $2 per month as you stated to leeches in the welfare system.

People need help from time to time, Iíve been one of them. But unlike the leeches that try to make it a lifetime benefit I did what I had to do to get myself, my wife and my daughter off of it as fast as I could.

Thatís the difference.

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I'd rather spend our time catching El Chapo than some kid selling nickel bags of oregano

You could pull any number out your arse so why would anyone believe you if you can't prove it?
Someone on ATC swears a business is lieing about being 51%
How would They know unless they went through the company's books.
They don't.
They only go by what they see the few minutes they are in that business.

Y'all cry about liberals being in their feelings, but what you and him both are doing is going off your feelings.
You have no data.

You need data to prove things in court.

I'll give you an anecdote that was eye opening

On Sunday we take the kids to Levy park
Afterwards we visit my wife's friend's house that lives nearby and that just had twins
Long story short her and her husband split
He left actually
She has a 6 year old, 4 year old and now newborn twins
Lives in a decent house and drives a benz
Out of the blue she just says "yeah I had to apply for food stamps this week"

Oh she's a school teacher and had been off work since October because of high risk pregnancy.

Anyhow, if you saw this soccer mom using an EBT card jumping into her benz afterward you'd cry foul.
He'll even I still might.
But I don't know their household finances so I'm just like WOOOOOWWWWW

You never know what's going on in someone else's house.

So yes. Now I know someone on food stamps.
I still have no idea how she needs food stamps.
Oh. She's also a beavy whole foods shopper.
LoL
That will REALLY tick you off.

When things get better I'll start referring to her as a "Welfare Queen"
LoL
But right now that joke won't go over too well

She lied to get on food stamps. Go apply for yourself. It will only take a minute to see she had to lie in order to get on the program.

BTW - I don't need hard numbers to see things with my own eyes. The abuse is obvious. And no one could run numbers even if they wanted to because they would be crucified as being racist.