Let's talk; San Diego Chargers O, is it really the best in the league?

I will say I love me some PR17 throwing the deep ball, especially when he did it against the pack.
I do NOT love me a -4 turnover ratio...
I do NOT love me a O that MUST throw because it cant, or is too far behind to run.
I do NOT love me more L's than W's

Decades ago, the Chargers had this coach named Don Coryell who had a mighty potent O with this ensemble of players named Fouts, Winslow, Alworth, joiner, Chandler, Muncie... Pretty much unstoppable, right? Well, they didn't win diddly squat after all said and done, because they did not have what it takes to win Championships, i.e, a stout D.

Now onto this O: as you have already alluded to, it is far too one dimensional to even muster a mere W against balanced teams and these ungawdly offensive stats are misleading because the team has had to sling it all over as they often play from behind (exception Pittsburg game).

Far from the best O I would say... maybe the best between the 20's but we don't score enough in the red zone and have no dedication to the run game and when we do run the plays are purely to keep the defense honest. Every game turns into a close game that comes down to the last minute because we don't score when we had the chance multiple times throughout the game.

We score 14 points less a game then the 2nd place team and and nearly 8 less then the 3rd place team if we were on par we would likely be undefeated.

Decades ago, the Chargers had this coach named Don Coryell who had a mighty potent O with this ensemble of players named Fouts, Winslow, Alworth, joiner, Chandler, Muncie... Pretty much unstoppable, right? Well, they didn't win diddly squat after all said and done, because they did not have what it takes to win Championships, i.e, a stout D.

Far from the best O I would say... maybe the best between the 20's but we don't score enough in the red zone and have no dedication to the run game and when we do run the plays are purely to keep the defense honest. Every game turns into a close game that comes down to the last minute because we don't score when we had the chance multiple times throughout the game.

We score 14 points less a game then the 2nd place team and and nearly 8 less then the 3rd place team if we were on par we would likely be undefeated.

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You think our offense is 25th best in the league? Who are the 24 QBs better than Rivers.

I don't care about numbers and running the ball as badly as we are makes us one dimensional not a bad offense.

As long as Rivers is here and in his prime this a top 10 passing offense. Which we are right now. Things will get better now that Stevie is back and Dunlap, Franklin, and Watt are practicing.

Of the 5 teams averaging over 400 ypg this year, the Chargers are the only one averaging less than 30 ppg.

We average 22.7 ppg, which is mediocre, so that is where I rank our offense.

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True! An offense's true mettle is measured in terms of their success in the red zone. The Chargers are very mediocre there precisely because of their anemic running attack. When the field gets shorter and condenses, good defenses tend to shut the Chargers from scoring.

True! An offense's true mettle is measured in terms of their success in the red zone. The Chargers are very mediocre there precisely because of their anemic running attack. When the field gets shorter and condenses, good defenses tend to shut the Chargers from scoring.

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In the Packers game, I think our red zone issues were thoroughly on the players. Green dropped a TD, Gates dropped on inside the 5, one pass was batted down, Gordon fumbled of course, and at the end of the game Rivers just made a terrible read and was lucky the ball didn't go the other way for 6.

In the Steelers game, that was one of the worst coaching jobs I've ever seen. We couldn't even get in FG range much less position to score a TD.

True! An offense's true mettle is measured in terms of their success in the red zone. The Chargers are very mediocre there precisely because of their anemic running attack. When the field gets shorter and condenses, good defenses tend to shut the Chargers from scoring.

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Especially when they abandon the passing game that got them to that point and try running the ball.

Decades ago, the Chargers had this coach named Don Coryell who had a mighty potent O with this ensemble of players named Fouts, Winslow, Alworth, joiner, Chandler, Muncie... Pretty much unstoppable, right? Well, they didn't win diddly squat after all said and done, because they did not have what it takes to win Championships, i.e, a stout D.

Now onto this O: as you have already alluded to, it is far too one dimensional to even muster a mere W against balanced teams and these ungawdly offensive stats are misleading because the team has had to sling it all over as they often play from behind (exception Pittsburg game).

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They did have a stout D in 1979 and 1980. Wasn't the 1979 D second in points allowed? I know they kicked the crap out of both Super Bowl teams in 1979. And the 1980 D led the league in sacks. The D dropped off dramatically after Fred Dean left in 1981.

I agree that the yardage stats are mostly misleading because we are not turning the yards into points for various reasons--red zone struggles turnovers, penalties, et cetera.