Rev Ch 4 v1 AFTER this i looked,and behold, a door was opened in heaven:and the first voice which i heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me;which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

This is the first chapter and verse about events dealing with us in the present time.If you want to know the truth.This is where to start.lets examine shall we.

Its obvious that this person saw an opening in space above him,or the opening of a giant ship above him, or some kind of door opening high above his location drawing him upwards and in and then takes him abroad in space and shows him things...A massive object nearing earth could disrupt the magnetic field causing the trumpet like sounds being heard all over the world that is described here.Anything bending those fields or affecting earths gravity perhaps could produce such large scale sounds as those.

Rev Ch 4 v1 AFTER this i looked,and behold, a door was opened in heaven:and the first voice which i heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me;which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

This is the first chapter and verse about events dealing with us in the present time.If you want to know the truth.This is where to start.lets examine shall we.

Quoting: shadowrun

Actually, this is the first chapter and verse about events dealing with; "the things which shall be hereafter"

And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. v3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. v4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats i saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. v3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. v4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats i saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

Quoting: shadowrun

...John records a vision of the throne room of the Almighty. And seated round about the throne, the representatives of the 24 courses of the priesthood.

Regarding the 24 elders; Scripture interprets scripture, always. There is no need to guess at things.

There are only three people(s) or groups who are both kings and priests: The Christ, Melchizadek and the church.

The 24 elders are described in chapters 4 & 5. Scripture interprets scripture. And scripture identifies which of these three the 24 represent.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370

What scripture points out who the 24 elders are? Its sounds like to me hes describing 24 stars in space surrounding somthing else. They sit and dont move, they appear white with gold crowns, and they are our elders because of age.

Regarding the 24 elders; Scripture interprets scripture, always. There is no need to guess at things.

There are only three people(s) or groups who are both kings and priests: The Christ, Melchizadek and the church.

The 24 elders are described in chapters 4 & 5. Scripture interprets scripture. And scripture identifies which of these three the 24 represent.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370

What scripture points out who the 24 elders are? Its sounds like to me hes describing 24 stars in space surrounding somthing else. They sit and dont move, they appear white with gold crowns, and they are our elders because of age.

Quoting: shadowrun

Read Chapters 4 and 5 and you will see that they move and speak and sing and worship. They describe who they are and from where they came.

Regarding the 24 elders; Scripture interprets scripture, always. There is no need to guess at things.

There are only three people(s) or groups who are both kings and priests: The Christ, Melchizadek and the church.

The 24 elders are described in chapters 4 & 5. Scripture interprets scripture. And scripture identifies which of these three the 24 represent.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370

What scripture points out who the 24 elders are? Its sounds like to me hes describing 24 stars in space surrounding somthing else. They sit and dont move, they appear white with gold crowns, and they are our elders because of age.

Quoting: shadowrun

Read Chapters 4 and 5 and you will see that they move and speak and sing and worship. They describe who they are and from where they came.

Scripture interprets scripture.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370

It also says that they cast their crowns before the throne of god...That could mean that they shine their rays of light on the throne of god.The bible can be interpreted different ways and is complex...If scripture interprets scripture with such ease.Then why does scripture still baffle scholars even today?

Regarding the 24 elders; Scripture interprets scripture, always. There is no need to guess at things.

There are only three people(s) or groups who are both kings and priests: The Christ, Melchizadek and the church.

The 24 elders are described in chapters 4 & 5. Scripture interprets scripture. And scripture identifies which of these three the 24 represent.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370

What scripture points out who the 24 elders are? Its sounds like to me hes describing 24 stars in space surrounding somthing else. They sit and dont move, they appear white with gold crowns, and they are our elders because of age.

Quoting: shadowrun

Read Chapters 4 and 5 and you will see that they move and speak and sing and worship. They describe who they are and from where they came.

Scripture interprets scripture.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370

It also says that they cast their crowns before the throne of god...That could mean that they shine their rays of light on the throne of god.The bible can be interpreted different ways and is complex...If scripture interprets scripture with such ease.Then why does scripture still baffle scholars even today?

Quoting: shadowrun

I am reminded of Proverbs 25:2.

Yes, I agree - scripture is complex and can apply to many things and has many levels of meaning.

Scripture tells us that some things are sealed until the Spirit will reveal them.

God seems to reveal things when they can be of benefit to the body. When they can serve the needs of the body.

Scripture is living and breathing. It is both a confirmation of the Spirit of God and a revealing of the plan of God.

What scripture points out who the 24 elders are? Its sounds like to me hes describing 24 stars in space surrounding somthing else. They sit and dont move, they appear white with gold crowns, and they are our elders because of age.

Quoting: shadowrun

Read Chapters 4 and 5 and you will see that they move and speak and sing and worship. They describe who they are and from where they came.

Scripture interprets scripture.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370

It also says that they cast their crowns before the throne of god...That could mean that they shine their rays of light on the throne of god.The bible can be interpreted different ways and is complex...If scripture interprets scripture with such ease.Then why does scripture still baffle scholars even today?

Quoting: shadowrun

I am reminded of Proverbs 25:2.

Yes, I agree - scripture is complex and can apply to many things and has many levels of meaning.

Scripture tells us that some things are sealed until the Spirit will reveal them.

God seems to reveal things when they can be of benefit to the body. When they can serve the needs of the body.

Scripture is living and breathing. It is both a confirmation of the Spirit of God and a revealing of the plan of God.

But what great mystery author reveals the ending before its time?

God is much higher than men... I suspect even "scholars" :)

I am confident God will reveal all things in their perfect time.

peace,

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370

Yes i agree,Infact in the bible at the point when it says that the mystery of god is revealed,is also the time when there is time no longer.Therefore when the mystery of god is revealed no human form may be around to know about it.

And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. v3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. v4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats i saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

I think we cant understand revelation until we get through the first verses concerning the furure events on earth.,I am open to all possabilities.

You people that think G-D resides on a spaceship and his home planet is Kolob or Jehovah or whatever false crap your teaching now a days are in for a surprise.

People like you have twisted the word of God to such an extent it's not even funny.

Jesus plainly talks about G-D residing in the spiritual world, multiple times throughout the bible. He is the G-D of life in death, not death, etc.

You must DIE to be judged at G-D's thrown and be judged according to the book of life. Not WISKED AWAY IN A FREAKING SPACESHIP.

"And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God."

You Alientards are highly amusing.

[/quote If god created us then i imagine super intelligence and super technology.To build a spaceship to god is nothing and well within his realm of power.I do agree with you to some degree about the spiritual world aspect.But there are also alot of space and energies out there that we do not yet comperhend.Energies that could be in other dimensions and spiritual dimensions im sure.Not all people have died to see god...infact one person in the onld testement did not die but was transfigured.But to think that astronomy doesnt play a role somwhere, is somwhat close minded.After all the vastness of space is supposely almost beyond human understanding.God used space and matter to begin this do you not think he might use it to end it aswell? The mystery of god may not be revealed but it can be contemplated.

And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. v3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. v4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats i saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

I think we cant understand revelation until we get through the first verses concerning the furure events on earth.,I am open to all possabilities.

Quoting: shadowrun

Almost everything in the Revelation has direct references and clear allusions in the Old Testament, I’ll start with the 1st chapter in Revelation

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, AmenRev.1:7

I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.Dan.7:13

And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.Zech.12:10

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

If god created us then i imagine super intelligence and super technology.To build a spaceship to god is nothing and well within his realm of power.I do agree with you to some degree about the spiritual world aspect.But there are also alot of space and energies out there that we do not yet comperhend.Energies that could be in other dimensions and spiritual dimensions im sure.Not all people have died to see god...infact one person in the onld testement did not die but was transfigured.But to think that astronomy doesnt play a role somwhere, is somwhat close minded.After all the vastness of space is supposely almost beyond human understanding.God used space and matter to begin this do you not think he might use it to end it aswell? The mystery of god may not be revealed but it can be contemplated.

And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. v3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. v4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats i saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

I think we cant understand revelation until we get through the first verses concerning the furure events on earth.,I am open to all possabilities.

Quoting: shadowrun

Almost everything in the Revelation has direct references and clear allusions in the Old Testament, I’ll start with the 1st chapter in Revelation

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, AmenRev.1:7

I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.Dan.7:13

And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.Zech.12:10

Quoting: mathetes

Bottom line i believe that revelations is astronomical in nature...predictive astronomy and alot of the verses can be related directly to objects,planets,energies,elements and stars in space.I wanted to go over revelations and reveal all of the galactic verses.

So then consider the context.... "After this" and "after these things"... Consider what is the "this" and what is the "these things" John eludes to?

Seek your answers from the Spirit and searching the scripture. Be a Berean. When the Spirit reveals these answers then one can know how events unfold.

The things which have been, the things which are and the things which shall be hereafter.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370

Can we respond or would you like the OP to do so first? I wouldn't want to spoil a good teaching.

Quoting: Keep2theCode

I say, do as you are lead by The Spirit. :)

peace,

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370

K...

I see the timing of "come up here" immediately after the letters to the 7 churches as a type of the Rapture of the saints after the church age. The corroborating scriptures would be those of Paul, Jesus, and James' quote of an OT prophecy about "the times of the Gentiles" after which God will "rebuild David's fallen tent". Revelation is nothing if not sequential in nature from start to finish, so every time I see "after this" I presume a sequence unless something in the context indicates otherwise.

The OP is looking for "cosmic" interpretations of everything, but I know of no corroborating scriptures to justify it. It's sometimes entertaining to see meaning in things just based on a whim or opinion, but when one seeks prophetic fulfillment, this technique will of course prove futile and misleading.

So then consider the context.... "After this" and "after these things"... Consider what is the "this" and what is the "these things" John eludes to?

Seek your answers from the Spirit and searching the scripture. Be a Berean. When the Spirit reveals these answers then one can know how events unfold.

The things which have been, the things which are and the things which shall be hereafter.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370

Can we respond or would you like the OP to do so first? I wouldn't want to spoil a good teaching.

Quoting: Keep2theCode

I say, do as you are lead by The Spirit. :)

peace,

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370

K...

I see the timing of "come up here" immediately after the letters to the 7 churches as a type of the Rapture of the saints after the church age. The corroborating scriptures would be those of Paul, Jesus, and James' quote of an OT prophecy about "the times of the Gentiles" after which God will "rebuild David's fallen tent". Revelation is nothing if not sequential in nature from start to finish, so every time I see "after this" I presume a sequence unless something in the context indicates otherwise.

The OP is looking for "cosmic" interpretations of everything, but I know of no corroborating scriptures to justify it. It's sometimes entertaining to see meaning in things just based on a whim or opinion, but when one seeks prophetic fulfillment, this technique will of course prove futile and misleading.

Quoting: Keep2theCode

Im not looking for cosmic interpretations in everything,just for in a majority of the book of revelation.There are actually alot of scriptures that could easily mean somthing astrological.For example rev ch 6 v2

And i saw , and behold a whithorse:and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth coquering, and to conquer.

Yes you could think of this in the literal sense but does it really make sense? We have a planet in our solar system which attracts space debris and ejects it back out into space...it probably shines as if it has a crown and is white in color.Now think about all the four horseman of the apocalypse...think of the colors of their horses...white,red,black, and pale.Is the descriptions.Iv never personally seen a red horse...because horses are not red so it doesn't make sense.So where else do these colors commonly appear? space...The black horse with the scales?...funny because scientist speak of a black hole that could basically hold the balance between life and death for us.As for the pale horse...well we all know what else is pale in color from media...astroroids usually a pale grey color and guess what comes with it. death.