If you can time it right, the Round Robin bar at the Willard is a hilarious place to get a drink. Pick a night when there has been a Senate dinner or other such event and the place will be filled to the brim with people TALKING LOUDLY ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT THEY ARE and very tipsy politician's wives. I went with my Mom after having seen a show at the theater around the corner and it was awesome.

Shenanigans.Not even what they would have been drinking.Jack may have made some awesome whiskey, but even if he was firing a still in his mothers womb, he STILL wouldn't have had enough time to make Polk a batch for him to acquire a preference for it.

Oh come on. Yes, we all know he was an alchy. So at least tell us what he drank before he turned into a quitter.

Speaking of which, does anyone know if the President still went to AA meetings while he was President?

I've heard "Friends of Bill" refer to Dubya as a "white-knuckle drunk," which is what the AAers refer to someone who quit drinking without AA. I don't think Dubya was AA.

/ oh, and fark AA

Came here to say this. I know a guy that is a "white-knuckle drunk". Sober for ten years, but is a complete ass. Never addressed some underlying issues. But you don't need AA to do that - a good therapists can help too.

buckler:I can't even seem to Google a definition for it. Some kind of cactus or vine drink?

I think it's supposed to be octli, which is usually called pulque today. It's made from fermented sap and is milky white with a sour taste. Seriously, the guy went to Mexico and came back telling everyone about some obscure Aztec liquor. I picture him at bars asking for it and then complaining that all they have is tequila "which, by the way guys, not a lot of people know this but tequila is actually the product of Spanish conquistadors trying to make something like brandy by distilling agave plants, so it's, you know, it's hardly Mexican in origin. 'Oachatel' is just way more authentic. It's a shame they don't have any here, I could really go for a glass". Hipster President.

Nor was he really much of a war hero, cowboy, or frontiersman (the famous picture of him in buckskins holding a rifle was taken in a New York photo studio near his mansion). What he was, was a brilliant self-promoter and one hell of a racist who based much of his foreign policy on Aryanism.

flux:buckler: I can't even seem to Google a definition for it. Some kind of cactus or vine drink?

I think it's supposed to be octli, which is usually called pulque today. It's made from fermented sap and is milky white with a sour taste. Seriously, the guy went to Mexico and came back telling everyone about some obscure Aztec liquor. I picture him at bars asking for it and then complaining that all they have is tequila "which, by the way guys, not a lot of people know this but tequila is actually the product of Spanish conquistadors trying to make something like brandy by distilling agave plants, so it's, you know, it's hardly Mexican in origin. 'Oachatel' is just way more authentic. It's a shame they don't have any here, I could really go for a glass". Hipster President.

That seems to make a lot of sense. If not pulque, I might have guessed chicha.

buckler:flux: buckler: I can't even seem to Google a definition for it. Some kind of cactus or vine drink?

I think it's supposed to be octli, which is usually called pulque today. It's made from fermented sap and is milky white with a sour taste. Seriously, the guy went to Mexico and came back telling everyone about some obscure Aztec liquor. I picture him at bars asking for it and then complaining that all they have is tequila "which, by the way guys, not a lot of people know this but tequila is actually the product of Spanish conquistadors trying to make something like brandy by distilling agave plants, so it's, you know, it's hardly Mexican in origin. 'Oachatel' is just way more authentic. It's a shame they don't have any here, I could really go for a glass". Hipster President.

That seems to make a lot of sense. If not pulque, I might have guessed chicha.

Then again, it might have been ayahuasca, which would have made party nights very special.

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy:BMulligan: The Incredible Sexual Egg: Ok, for starters, TR didn't drink do that shiat at all.

Nor was he really much of a war hero, cowboy, or frontiersman (the famous picture of him in buckskins holding a rifle was taken in a New York photo studio near his mansion). What he was, was a brilliant self-promoter and one hell of a racist who based much of his foreign policy on Aryanism.

The TR we know and love didn't exist.

That's odd. I read all three volumes of Edmund Morris' biography, and came away with a very different impression of the man.

Nor was he really much of a war hero, cowboy, or frontiersman (the famous picture of him in buckskins holding a rifle was taken in a New York photo studio near his mansion). What he was, was a brilliant self-promoter and one hell of a racist who based much of his foreign policy on Aryanism.

The TR we know and love didn't exist.

That's odd. I read all three volumes of Edmund Morris' biography, and came away with a very different impression of the man.

Same here. I just finished the Rise of Theodore Roosevelt and there's a very large portion of the book dedicated to his time on the frontier