Forced/Suggested Vaccinations in my local schools

Originally posted by marg6043
Actually interesting to point out, here in my neck of the woods, the swine flu is dying out, the cases are not as many as few weeks ago, schools are
not preparing for mandatory vaccinations yet.

Whilst the swine flu stories may have dried up in the media, there's definately something doing the rounds in my town here in the UK and causing folk
to think that they have 'it' and want to take the jab just in case...whatever this latest bug is, it seems to be characterised by a hoarse voice, so
maybe just some sort of general throat infection, but is enough to make folk worry again

The key is not sharing your personal choices for your family. As a non-vaccinated adult(yes my parents chose not to vaccinate me, and I chose not to
get vaccinated as an adult.) and having a non-vaccinated child, I am fully aware of the uninformed wrath.

The toughest is making it clear to MD's when your child may have to go in for something like a chipped tooth, or stitch.

You shouldn't just make the decision to vaccinate or not vaccinate with ZERO knowledge of the subject. IF you choose the non-popular route you
should be prepared to deal with the consequences from the other flock.

Not sharing your personal belief systems can be the answer. If they still find out, and someone comes to confront you, you can handle it however you
want, but to VACCINATE when you know its not right because you fear the popular choice is the wrong reason.

By the way, I am one of the healthiest people I know, and my son is the same way. It's not luck.

it is luck. If you run across someone with polio you are going to get it too. No amount of vitamins, eating right, or good living is going to save you
from getting it.

While I dont advocate all vaccines and they should be spaced out properly, the major ones are perfectly safe. I base that one a wife who is a doctor,
an uncle who is a doctor, and several nurses in the family.

Personally I trust doctors with 12+ yrs of intensive medical training over ignorant parents who are afraid of the unknown or looking to blame some
medical condition on a vaccine.

And the jury remains out for us on squalenne. First we dont know if it will even be in all (or any) swine flu vaccines. and I have yet to see a single
medical published study that says squalene is dangerous. Not one and Ive looked.

infowars quoted a study but didnt provide a link and the doctor they quoted was actually a dentist.

With as many doctors and nurses in your family you should have figured this out by now: They are just people like you and me, and a good chance they
are no smarter then most.

Doctors and nurses tow the party line, and truly believe what they were taught in school. They didn't do the research, they didn't have time to
investigate the research, they simply took everything as gospel. This is not putting them down as people, it's medicine and the dogma that is at
fault

Your premise that if you run into someone with polio, that you will get polio is preposterous.

The more research I do the more I realize this hysteria over squalene and the swine flu vaccine is utter nonsense.

Infowars sources are troubling to say the least. Dr Andrew Moulden goes around the world selling tickets to his lectures to quote altered studies that
say vaccines are bad.

I guess we should listen to bad sources over the clear evidence that vaccines are safe for 99.99% of people. Polio – gone, smallpox – gone,
chicken pox – gone. But yeah they dont work according to these quacks.

vaccines have saved millions of lives from polio and smallpox alone. a few have adverse reactions so the conspiracy nuts say they are bad. people have
bad reactions to advil and orange juice, maybe we should stop the goverment from giving our kids those too

If your wife and uncle actually took a look at these charts and considered what they meant for a second, they would realize that what they learned in
school about health, immune function, and vaccination was not gospel.

They would also feels a sense of guilt for the harm they've done to every child they vaccinated, and owe them an apology. Vaccines are simply big
business, and a great way to keep people coming to the doctor.

1 billion dollars per year per vaccine if it makes it on the mandated schedule.

The below graphs, based on the official death numbers as recorded in the Official Year Books of the Commonwealth of Australia, are taken from Greg
Beattie's excellent book "Vaccination A Parent's Dilemma" and represent the decline in death rates from infectious disease in Australia. They
clearly show that vaccines had nothing to do with the decline in death rates. (Note: Graphical evidence on the decline in death rates from infectious
disease for USA, England, New Zealand and many other countries shows the exact same scenario as above).

On top of this, what Edward Jenner called science to back his smallpox vaccine, keeping in mind it actually contains the cowpox virus not smallpox,
was non existent.

Please debunk the graphs. I mustve doctored them right? It can't be this clear right? There's more to it then graphs right?

Pictures speak a thousand words, so I am sure your ignorant family members that have everything to lose if they see the light won't have much to
say.

So what were the true reasons for this decline? From his book 'Health and Healing' Dr Andrew Weil best answers it with this statement; "Scientific
medicine has taken credit it does not deserve for some advances in health. Most people believe that victory over the infectious diseases of the last
century came with the invention of immunisations. In fact, cholera, typhoid, tetanus, diphtheria and whooping cough, etc, were in decline before
vaccines for them became available - the result of better methods of sanitation, sewage disposal, and distribution of food and water."

Table I--shows that in England and Wales there was a 90 percent decline in child mortality from the combined infectious diseases of scarlet fever,
diptheria, whooping cough, and measles in the period of 1850 to 1940. The first vaccine made available was for diptheria in the early 40's, whereas
the pertussis (whooping cough) vaccine became available in the early 50's and the measles vaccine in the late 60's (no vaccine was provided for
scarlet fever).55

brocket it will be interesting to see if you get a response, I appreciate you posting what you did I am always looking for information regarding
vaccines as it is hard to make an informed decision sometimes. So thank you!

More often, the emphasis is on speculation that a vaccine caused a health problem. Further, the widespread availability of litigation and liberal tort
in the U.S. has encouraged lawsuits claiming harm from vaccines. Finally, it’s human nature to assume cause-and-effect when something bad happens,
so a vaccination is an attractive target when administered before the onset of a medical condition.

Unfortunately, most of the public receives a lot of health information from these lay sources, rather than their physicians. Professional knowledge of
immunization is grounded in science — microbiology, immunology, epidemiology, and statistics.

Does hepatitis B vaccine cause SIDS? Looking at the numbers of doses administered of the former and cases of the latter, one would conclude the
opposite, that hepatitis B vaccine prevents SIDS, since 90 percent of U.S. children have received hepatitis B vaccine, and SIDS cases have dropped
dramatically in the past decade (probably due to the AAP recommendation that infants sleep on their backs).

Does the MMR vaccine cause autism? This question received extraordinary attention after it was raised in an article in The Lancet, in 1998, by Drs.
Wakefield and colleagues. The co-authors and The Lancet have since retracted the article and its conclusions, and Dr. Wakefield is currently on trial
in the U.K. for conflict of interest at the time of its publication. (He was on retainer from lawyers suing for vaccine damages.)

Like the article says, unfortunately a lot of people out there would rather believe some snake-oil salesman than doctors who have done actual medical
studies that prove vaccines safe.

By the way, I am not even arguing whether they cause damage or not. People can make up their own minds if they think injecting themselves with a
live or partially dead virus directly into their blood stream makes sense to be healthy.

Or injecting them with everything from organic mercury, antifreeze, formaldehyde....the list goes on and on.

I am arguing whether or not that vaccines deserve the credit for the eradication of disease. My facts, based on information from the mortality and
morbidity statistics of the WHO and Historical Data, not woo-woo treehugging stats show that you and everyone like is waaaaaaaaay off.

On top of that, how on earth could you claim that all anti-vaxxers are getting some gain financially or otherwise from being against these poisons?

YOU and YOUR UNCLE, and YOUR WIFE make livings off of poisoning us with these vaccines.

Let me know where my BILLIONS are for going with truth versus faux science. The numbers that big pharma make off being listed on the mandated vaccine
schedule cannot be refuted.

$1 billion per year, per vaccine. $83 billion estimated made on H1N1 alone this year. Quite a windfall in a down economy.

Throw on top of the ORIGINAL recommendation for kids entering school:

2 FLU SHOTS
2 H1N1 Shots

Seriously thats what the CDC originally recommended...Double the shots double the protection right? Thats how the body works right?

We've been sold a load of goods that not only has never been shown to actually protect, based on THEIR statistics, but there is a very good chance
they have damaged generations of people.

Keep on NOT reading my actual evidence and stay in lala land padding the pockets of the people looking out for our best interests.

You just might be one of the dumbest people on here, claiming all this propaganda as science, and not backing it up when called out...and admitting
how you have never looked at the other side nor will you.

What you forgot to mention if your uncle is actually your father in law, and your wife if your cousin, because the only way you could continue to
believe your tripe is if you're a hillbilly living in the mountains of West Virginia.

Also I never said doctors were evil. Most have good hearts and tow the party line, ignoring what negatives go against the grain. Just imagine if the
AMA admitted to injecting people with harmful non working vaccines. People would be happy right?

You are quoting peoples opinions, I am showing you the statistical data based on HISTORICAL MORBIDITY AND MORTALITY STATISTICS. You cannot skew those
you goof.

I will read your information by the way, unlike you, who wont even look at a graph or two.

Your articles have to do with SIDs, and one is an opinion piece based on what data? What he is told by his colleagues and in school?

Is thimerosal a cause of neurologic abnormalities, including autism? The preservative thimerosal, consisting of ethyl mercury, was used in
multi-dose vaccine vials.

At present, most infancy and childhood vaccines are supplied in single-dose vials, and all such routine vaccines are thimerosal-free. Studies to
answer this question, including five epidemiologic surveys, came to the same conclusion as the MMR vaccine autism analyses, that there is absence of a
relationship.

A pivotal study at the University of Rochester quantifying thimerosal in childhood vaccines stated administration of vaccines containing thimerosal
does not seem to raise blood concentrations of mercury above safe values in infants.

In short, no studies have established a causal link between vaccines and these diseases.

The DOCTOR uses no references in his statements and it is strictly an opinion piece like I suspected. Here is the TRUTH:

Mercury levels in the blood may not show higher concentrations because it COLLECTS and stays in the BRAIN!

Up until recently a baby in the US got 237.5 micrograms of mercury from vaccines by time he/she is 18 months. EPA recommended limit (which is
ludicrous because mercury is the 2nd most toxic substance on the planet next to plutonium) - 0.1 microgram/kg/day. (UK babies still getting much
mercury)

You will continue to be a moron, and I honestly don't care if you all go inject yourselves 10x over. Please use my families unused doses.

Hmm well I don't know about believing snake handlers, I certainly do not take emu oil or colloidal silver for anything. I might not know very much, I
only have a few reasons why I would know anything about viruses or biology in general. I can tell you this though my friend, I am amused of anyone who
chooses to say something about antiviral, antibiotics, or vaccines, and claims they work 100%, or well lets say even 60%, as advertised. I can tell
you another thing, I do not go into the accuracies of well initiated vaccines for things that have been exterminated, but it is true that proper
hygiene and environment treatment has helped more than the credited amount.

And I will tell you one last thing; these vaccines coming out for various buggies are fairly unhealthy, not because of squelene, but because of the
DNA makeup of the activated virals in the concoction itself. It all reeks of engineered mutagens, which you do not want the viral mutating in your
body, especially if it combines with an outside source. Now you can read my intro post a while back and figure out my credentials but I figure I will
just tell you, I have a BS, MS, and PHD in genetics from University of Chicago, I currently work on genetic strains for my career, so my 27 years of
working for the government plus my now what...13 years in genetics (overlapping of course I am not that old! hehe) might give me some bit of insight,
maybe not I will let you decide.

doctors dont make money giving vaccines to patients. it costs my wife $23 for a vaccine. she bills $50 to cover her expenses plus overhead. she gets
reimbursed by medicare $18 and most insurance reimburse her $25.

she actually loses money giving out vaccines like most doctors do. so why do docs give them ? simple, because they work and have eliminated most
diseases like tuberculosis, smallpox, measles, and polio.

you are sorely misinformed by an anti-vaccine movement that profits from your ignorance.

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