There are many excellent "nh" trainers out there and if you watch there videos, there are many similarities. Why? Because much of it is just good horsemanship, What NRHA said is true. If you watch, it may give you more "tools" in your toolbox to use. Every horse is different, and one may react better to trainer A's technique for one thing, but not another. Watch many, take and use what you like, and what works for you. Soak it up like a sponge, and yes, it really does help to have someone there watching and helping, because a foot or hand used wrong can get the wrong result, and you may have no idea what you are doing incorrectly.

I am in the Parelli program, when I started I had SERIOUS problems with my horses because of my lack of knowledge. Recently I passed my Level 2 audition, I have come a long way and now have no problems with my horses, in fact I learned that most of the "problems" I had before, were of my own making. I have never been able to afford private lessons, so I attribute most of my progress to the PNH program.

I am by no means a Koolaid drinker (as some here like to call PNH students) I do follow other techniques and trainers that fit in with my overall training principles. I have only purchased 2 training tools from Parelli (1 carrot stick, and 1 bridle) all of my other NH training tools are the cheap knock-offs from ebay. So the idea that it's all about selling equipment is false, you can do PNH with whatever NH equipment you like.

When I read rants on this forum about PNH, most of the objections I see are because of people seeing PNH students doing things they perceive as stupid or wrong, but I would like to point out that the idea of being a student is that you are LEARNING, so of course it's not going to be perfect and yes you will make stupid mistakes along the way, no matter whose training you choose to follow. Many PNH students are first time horse owners trying to train for themselves. Is that ideal? Probably not, but cut them a little slack, because it may be the best they can do right now. Getting one on one training with a pro is usually a better choice if that option is available to you. BUT by choosing to train a horse for yourself you will learn things that you can learn no other way. As for too many ground games,(the word game is simply used to remind people not to take things so seriously that they get mad at their horses) I'd rather see a beginner trying to get respect on the ground than not getting respect in the saddle.

In a nut shell, Parelli is about building a respectful, trusting, loyal bond with your horse, there are a few principal techniques and tools used to establish this, but aside from that, the student is at their own discretion.

I am in the Parelli program, when I started I had SERIOUS problems with my horses because of my lack of knowledge. Recently I passed my Level 2 audition, I have come a long way and now have no problems with my horses, in fact I learned that most of the "problems" I had before, were of my own making. I have never been able to afford private lessons, so I attribute most of my progress to the PNH program.

I am by no means a Koolaid drinker (as some here like to call PNH students) I do follow other techniques and trainers that fit in with my overall training principles. I have only purchased 2 training tools from Parelli (1 carrot stick, and 1 bridle) all of my other NH training tools are the cheap knock-offs from ebay. So the idea that it's all about selling equipment is false, you can do PNH with whatever NH equipment you like.

When I read rants on this forum about PNH, most of the objections I see are because of people seeing PNH students doing things they perceive as stupid or wrong, but I would like to point out that the idea of being a student is that you are LEARNING, so of course it's not going to be perfect and yes you will make stupid mistakes along the way, no matter whose training you choose to follow. Many PNH students are first time horse owners trying to train for themselves. Is that ideal? Probably not, but cut them a little slack, because it may be the best they can do right now. Getting one on one training with a pro is usually a better choice if that option is available to you. BUT by choosing to train a horse for yourself you will learn things that you can learn no other way. As for too many ground games,(the word game is simply used to remind people not to take things so seriously that they get mad at their horses) I'd rather see a beginner trying to get respect on the ground than not getting respect in the saddle.

In a nut shell, Parelli is about building a respectful, trusting, loyal bond with your horse, there are a few principal techniques and tools used to establish this, but aside from that, the student is at their own discretion.

Except ANY training method you use, that is a good one, not an abusive one, while develop that bond. IT does NOT have to have ANYONES name on it. I still think it is incredibly limiting, for the person and the horse, to only listen to the thoughts of one or 2 if you count LP) person. There are many ways to achieve your goal. No one person has all the answers.

I'm what you might call a part time parelli follower. He has some good excersises but as stated they are nothing new. My trainer pays her membership and shares her log on info and DVDs etc. it worked really well for my previously dangerous Ella but we did tweak it. She tried to bite she got whacked on the nose, she reared/kicked/bucked carrot sticks hit HARD!

My boss is an ex parelli instructor so I do have a person to turn to.

Now I've got the 'basics' I pretty much plod along by myself watching the videos for inspiration and techniques. If something starts not working I go right back and work out what I stuffed up. If still not working my trainer explains it.

I think it's a great tool when used PROPERLY the same as so many other things.

I will eventually join send in l1-4 assessments and then unjoin. I don't need to but quite frankly I like to have these milestones!Posted via Mobile Device

Keep in mind that NH is not PP. While PP may say he is as NH Trainer what he really is is a snake oil salesman.

You can get what you want with out spending all that money. I have a great bond with all my horses. I have horses at the trainers who have been there for 5 years and they still know me when I come to the barn to see them and at times that could have been months and months. You can use PP and still never get the bond you want with your horse if you do not do everything correctly or like has been stated just go through the games with no reason to them.

Horses what a calm confident and resonable leader. If you can do that they will follow you anywhere you go. If you can not they will not. No amount of games will ever change those facts.

Personally, I think that Clinton Anderson falls pretty closely into that category , too. And his ego is no less enflamed than PP's, if not more.

My problem with PP is quite simple. He is putting a name to something that has been around for a long time and selling it to unsespecting people. His horses are no better trained then any BYT out there. This is the big one for me. If you are going to promote yourself as this BNT then you better have something to back it up. He does not.

Past all that the real big problem I have is not the learning curve for the person spending the money it is what it does to the horse. I have had mares here who where PP trained and they where the hardest horses to work with. I will not take in anouther PP trained horse again. They will either have to be bred Shipped semen or not at all. They are pushy and ill tempered animals and I do now wish to work with that type of horse. There are to many good ones out there. The thing is it is not the horses falt.

Personally, I think that Clinton Anderson falls pretty closely into that category , too. And his ego is no less enflamed than PP's, if not more.

You will not get an argurment from me on that one.

I have some DVDs from different trainers. All are very very well proven in what they are doing on the DVD. To me if you are going to spend the money on a DVD of some trainer get the ones from the trainers who have PROVEN that what they are telling you actually works. When I say works I am not talking about in a clinic or some abstract way but by no pardison trained judges who have no dog in the fight. Have them do so against their peirs on that sport. Every one things they look good at home. What counts is when they have to do it at a given place and time against others.

I don't care for the PP. I do like CA. Both do try to sell you on their tools and DVDs. Most of my training comes from watching CA on videos and tv, besides reading books and magazines. I take that info and use it on the horse. I have been told that I am a natural at training, so that could be why I have learned by just watching.

The reason I don't care for PP is because he/his training is hard for me to understand. It's not because of who he is, how he trains, what he sells, or what he's done. I just can't understand him, the left/right introvert/extrovert brain thing. I understand how horses behave because of their instincts and how they react to pressure. I don't want or need to be a psychologist to train a horse and that's what I get from PP. Clinton is easy to understand, at least for me.

Whomever you understand and feel you can use their techniques, go ahead. PP is just not for me.Posted via Mobile Device

thank you guys so much! all I want is to excel my relationship between my horse and I. And I want to do it right! He is so willing, and my coach has taught me many NH ways with horses. And plain and simple logical things as well. I don't want to be apart of an organization that's in it for the money, the name, or just for that sake of whatever. All I want is harmony with my horse, and it IS retarted to have to spend $1000 of dollars to get there. Again, thank you guys soo sooooo much! :)

Then just work with your horse on a daily basis and the relationship will evolve. You don't need to become a 'cult" member with any of the NH trainers to have a working relationship with your horse, nor do you need to spend money on the stuff they peddle.

I was having some issues with my Arab a couple years ago and a fellow boarder did Parelli and she had all the crap for free so I figured I'd give it a try. Her mom was a big advocate, so I got the little Parelli package for $60 which is reasonable I think. I DO love the Parelli halter, it's made of a nice thin rope and very very good for training.

Anyway, I watched the first DVD and let me tell you, had I spent money on it I would have been PISSED. All the DVD tells you is HOW to do it - it has NO instructions on what to do if it doesn't work. I can't even tell you how many hours I spent glaring at my horses ass and ducking down like an idiot only to have her stare at me and yawn. A lot of the other exercises were met with pinned ears and a VERY angry horse. We got absolutely nowhere. Even my Parelli friend couldn't make her do what she was "supposed" to do. I went back to basic ground work and hollerin at her, and she shaped up mighty fast.

I, personally, think DVD training is a huge farce. I think your money is FAR better spent, in ANY type of training by hiring a hands on instructor/coach to help you. It may be slightly more expensive in the long run but they can help you in present time if things don't go as they should.

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