He’s interesting. Biggest advantages are his versatility in the infield, great team guy, rarely strikes out, and has some power. He’s not a full-time guy but should be a very good utility option. That should be in the infield complete. Still no LFer our 4th guy unless they’re giving Smith Jr., Alford, and Pompey a chance. No backup catcher either if I’m remembering correctly.

Edit: Forgot about Pearce. Would much rather have him DH and backup at 1B and OF. I think they’re hoping Jansen can secure the backup C role but you can almost guarantee they bring in a veteran to compete in camp.

Might not be half bad, right? The outfield could go Pillar-Yelich-Cain or they could move around depending on who shows what at spring training.

Would people be comfortable with that? I still think tear it down if possible. I know Bichette for Yelich 1 for 1 is fair. But they ripped away the Lansing 3 from me when I was really looking forward to seeing what they could do on the field in Toronto, I don't want them to do the same with Borreuero

At least it wouldn't be for a knuckleballer this time? Like I said, I'd probably not, but that lineup does offer some decent looks. Still overly right handed heavy. I'd really like Jarrod Dyson as the 4th outfielder.

Balki Bartokomous wrote:Then pass. No good comes out of giving him that.

I read an analysis a while back that actually projected a 175M/7yr deal to be close to break even factoring in inflation and projected WAR. Obviously you would be banking on the first 3 years of the deal providing big surplus value which may or may not make sense given what you think the Jays time-line for contention is.

I think that once the farm is ready, it'll be year three of that deal. So the first two years he'd carry us. There's a train of thought out there that they think Vlad will be ready this year. At least that's what I heard on the radio. I'm not sure about that. Maybe? Seven is a lot to consider. Guys like Howard, Pujols, Cabrera signed mega deals after 32 and all have been troublesome. They have to tread very carefully.

I myself am most comfortable with four but five is doable for me as well if I was a GM. Anything beyond that is insane at this point. History just doesn't lie.

Might not be half bad, right? The outfield could go Pillar-Yelich-Cain or they could move around depending on who shows what at spring training.

Would people be comfortable with that? I still think tear it down if possible. I know Bichette for Yelich 1 for 1 is fair. But they ripped away the Lansing 3 from me when I was really looking forward to seeing what they could do on the field in Toronto, I don't want them to do the same with Borreuero

Almost no interest in Yelich. Getting him he either plays in LF and kills his value or in CF and kills Pillars value.

Doesn't hamstring us too bad. I'd prefer a four year deal, but it probably takes five to lock it down.

This is my ideal too but AZ is right it’ll have to be a 7 year deal. That’s how big deals work now anyway. You accept that your contention window with him is the first three years and anything in the three us just a huge bonus.

I'd rather be the Cubs and draft a shitload of position players and fill out the rotation through trade and FA. Pitching is too volatile and expensive to invest heavily into it in the minors and draft IMO.

AGENT ZERO wrote:I'd rather be the Cubs and draft a shitload of position players and fill out the rotation through trade and FA. Pitching is too volatile and expensive to invest heavily into it in the minors and draft IMO.

Pitchers are also volatile and expensive come trade time when you need to give up those young assets that were drafted and developed.Free agency I understand because it's just money.

AGENT ZERO wrote:I'd rather be the Cubs and draft a shitload of position players and fill out the rotation through trade and FA. Pitching is too volatile and expensive to invest heavily into it in the minors and draft IMO.

Pitchers are also volatile and expensive come trade time when you need to give up those young assets that were drafted and developed.Free agency I understand because it's just money.

Pitchers are always volatile, this is true, but they are even more volatile the further in proximity they are to the majors.

AGENT ZERO wrote:I'd rather be the Cubs and draft a shitload of position players and fill out the rotation through trade and FA. Pitching is too volatile and expensive to invest heavily into it in the minors and draft IMO.

Except they've done a shit job at that too. Finding pitchers through trade and FA that is. Well, not a shit job, but not a great job.

AGENT ZERO wrote:I'd rather be the Cubs and draft a shitload of position players and fill out the rotation through trade and FA. Pitching is too volatile and expensive to invest heavily into it in the minors and draft IMO.

Except they've done a shit job at that too. Finding pitchers through trade and FA that is. Well, not a shit job, but not a great job.

He was 1.4 and a negative defensive player. They have been doing these little things that don't inspire much. I don't hate the Granderson signing, but so far it's reclamation project, fossil, middling utility player.

Really? Because they signed Morales and he’s been absolutely terrible. The same front office sank the teams chances by relying on Barney and Goins to be the back-ups instead of anyone else who can hit. I, generally, like the front office but they haven’t done anything that’s wowed me.

I do like this signing. Would love to have Cain as well. To me, for this roster to work, they need to get rid of Morales and us the DH spot as a rotation to rest everyone and play Pearce when everyone is needed for a big game.

Balki Bartokomous wrote:He was 1.4 and a negative defensive player. They have been doing these little things that don't inspire much. I don't hate the Granderson signing, but so far it's reclamation project, fossil, middling utility player.

He was quite good for the Mets last year but, like Upton here, was terrible after getting traded. Granderson has been positive defensive player in right field too.

Really? Because they signed Morales and he’s been absolutely terrible. The same front office sank the teams chances by relying on Barney and Goins to be the back-ups instead of anyone else who can hit. I, generally, like the front office but they haven’t done anything that’s wowed me.

I do like this signing. Would love to have Cain as well. To me, for this roster to work, they need to get rid of Morales and us the DH spot as a rotation to rest everyone and play Pearce when everyone is needed for a big game.

Morales was bad in hindsight, but at the time it seemed like an adequate replacement for EE for 11M. I disliked the lack of depth in the middle inf, but they have since rectified that issue.

The thing I like most about this front office is that there is a clear direction, and they are not going to blow their load on short sighted deals or move quality young players for a quick fix. It's not sexy, but long term I am confident that the Jays will be better for it, and reasonably competitive in the short term too.

There's no clear direction. They say they want to get younger and more athletic and they go ahead and sign 36 year old Curtis Granderson. They're stuck between wanting to compete this year and their real preference, trade everything for prospects. That's why you like them so much. This year they're the virtuoso patience masters, last year they issue an ultimatum to a franchise icon. Fuck them.