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Emboar Discussion

Some people say that Emboar sucks and is a walking Bacon, but I disagree because sure Emboar doesn't have disarable speed but it has pretty desent stats. Not only it has wicked Hp it also has a high attack stat, It's hp backs up for it's defense and it also has pretty average Sp.attack. It is a very versatile Pokemon because it's the 'only' fire type pokemon that can learn a water type move which is scald, with it's sp.attack it can take down a Rhyperior or Hippowdon with one clean hit with knowing the scald.

Emboar is easily one of the scariest Pokemon to have to face down the barrel of in NU. Even Alomomola, who should in theory be a perfect answer to Emboar with its Water typing and extremely high special bulk, is 2HKOd by a CB Wild Charge. Usually the best time to beat it safely is to play around with resistances and pray that you're not up against a mixed set when predicting a Choice set. Its bulk is also pretty useful for switching in and out of stuff, although this is hindered a bit by the fact that Emboar often runs recoil moves like Flare Blitz and Wild Charge.

when emboar is going to get reckless expect to se him a bit more in NU he is quite good specially scarfer I wonder if he is going to get to RU with reckless in OU he is not viable terrakion and infernape are fasterand have better movepools..
I remmeber back then in 2010 when unique pokemon disscussion threads were running an emboar thread reached a page 5 with a disscussion of an user "emboar rocks" that strongly claimed he was "teh best" then most of the forum just proved him wrong.. he isn't really good in OU.. NU is his home.

So what if emboar can use scald it is not going to 0HKO hippowdon (hippowdon have a massive HP stat) and super power already 2 or 0HKOes rhyperior.

Originally Posted by Professor Oak

Only two things are infinite, the universe and the amount of zubat in caves, and I'm not sure about the former.

Emboar can't really venture out anywhere else instead of NU. It has a slight niche as a wallbreaker and a Sceptile resist in RU. I've been toying around with sets, and this set pops up as a pretty useful set in the metagame right now.

EMBOAR IS SLOW! THEREFORE USELESS! STOP TRYING TO MAKE HIS EXSISTANCE SEEM EVEN REMOTELY JUSTIFIABLE YOU TARD!

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...Yes, that was a joke. That's basically all I've heard about Emboar here in Serebii is that it's slow, therefore useless. Honestly, I really like it's great power and diverse movepool. It's actually pretty good in-game. Plus, it could probably be of more use in a doubles battle where Trick Room is more common than in a single battle.

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Ingame=/= Competitive. And there is better pokemon to abuse under trickroom than Emboar. Stuff like Curse Ferrothorn, Marowak, Reuni, etc. Emboar will shine more in whatever tier it is when reckless is released.

I'd still rather use Emboar over those Pokemon, earnestly. I just think it's dumb that some people refuse to look beyond it's slow speed.

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EMBOAR IS SLOW! THEREFORE USELESS! STOP TRYING TO MAKE HIS EXSISTANCE SEEM EVEN REMOTELY JUSTIFIABLE YOU TARD!

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...Yes, that was a joke. That's basically all I've heard about Emboar here in Serebii is that it's slow, therefore useless. Honestly, I really like it's great power and diverse movepool. It's actually pretty good in-game. Plus, it could probably be of more use in a doubles battle where Trick Room is more common than in a single battle.

Sadly, it's a combination of speed and it's low defenses. It's bulk is fine, thanks to it's HP, but not enough bulk to justify it's poor speed, since it's not a complete tank.

Though, with a choice scarf, it could really sponge a lot of recoil from Flare Blitz thanks to it's high HP, and probably work well on a sun team.

Trick room also sounds like a decent option, though. Especially with Hammer Arm.

EMBOAR IS SLOW! THEREFORE USELESS! STOP TRYING TO MAKE HIS EXSISTANCE SEEM EVEN REMOTELY JUSTIFIABLE YOU TARD!

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...Yes, that was a joke. That's basically all I've heard about Emboar here in Serebii is that it's slow, therefore useless. Honestly, I really like it's great power and diverse movepool. It's actually pretty good in-game. Plus, it could probably be of more use in a doubles battle where Trick Room is more common than in a single battle.

In double battle he also sucks... He is countered by every common poke in the metagame.

In double battle he also sucks... He is countered by every common poke in the metagame.

I just dislike how people refuse to see any good in it's battling. There are things it can do, but no one cares cause "It's slow."

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The problem with Emboar is his low speed, it really holds him back. And even though he has high HP, his weak defences make that useless, so he's stuck between going slow and hoping to survive with lots of hp to try max speed but it's still not fast enough.

I just dislike how people refuse to see any good in it's battling. There are things it can do, but no one cares cause "It's slow."

Is it really so hard to understand that Emboar sucks not just because he's slow, but because he is so horribly frail? Its HP and Defenses are not impressive... only about 25% more durable than Honchkrow. This is nullified by the fact that almost all of its moves have some sort of horrible side effect. Flare Blitz, Superpower, head Smash, Wild Charge, etc. Normally this would be passable if it could land its blows and OHKO the opponent without taking a hit like Infernape but when you are frail, slow, and can't even fix it with Shell Smash, Spore, etc it just combines to be a shitty Pokemon.

Having terrible speed does not make you bad if you can back it up with bulk. But in general if you do not have either speed, or bulk you are useless. Also don't make me laugh, Emboar is godawful in Doubles / Triples. How long do you think it will last in the "Surf / Earthquake" tier when all of its primary moves hits just one Pokemon and it is outrun and OHKOed by basically everything. Saying "Its good in Trick Room" is sort of a BS defense because Trick Room itself is pretty shitty (it is good in doubles / triples, but Emboar isn't). I mean I guess you could run Emboar in doubles with Trick Room support but why not run something like Rhyperior or Chandelure who are actually useful when not under Trick Room.

tl;dr Emboar sucks not just because of its speed but also because of its terrible bulk and movepool. Infernape is better, Victini is better... even Entei is better. In-game does not equal competitive.

He is not THAT terrible he can be a scarfer or a wall breaker in NU it have good moves flare blitz can beat tangela and amungoos superpower beats lickylicky and that pink thing.. chansey like.. thing and also the steel/rocks in NU he is good against those pokemons and he is a great scarfer if not againts other scarfers. It is really powerful in NU other scarfers can't switch to him but outside of NU (and maybe RU ) he is outclassed.. and not that powerful.

Originally Posted by Professor Oak

Only two things are infinite, the universe and the amount of zubat in caves, and I'm not sure about the former.

Is it really so hard to understand that Emboar sucks not just because he's slow, but because he is so horribly frail? Its HP and Defenses are not impressive... only about 25% more durable than Honchkrow. This is nullified by the fact that almost all of its moves have some sort of horrible side effect. Flare Blitz, Superpower, head Smash, Wild Charge, etc. Normally this would be passable if it could land its blows and OHKO the opponent without taking a hit like Infernape but when you are frail, slow, and can't even fix it with Shell Smash, Spore, etc it just combines to be a shitty Pokemon.

Having terrible speed does not make you bad if you can back it up with bulk. But in general if you do not have either speed, or bulk you are useless. Also don't make me laugh, Emboar is godawful in Doubles / Triples. How long do you think it will last in the "Surf / Earthquake" tier when all of its primary moves hits just one Pokemon and it is outrun and OHKOed by basically everything. Saying "Its good in Trick Room" is sort of a BS defense because Trick Room itself is pretty shitty (it is good in doubles / triples, but Emboar isn't). I mean I guess you could run Emboar in doubles with Trick Room support but why not run something like Rhyperior or Chandelure who are actually useful when not under Trick Room.

tl;dr Emboar sucks not just because of its speed but also because of its terrible bulk and movepool. Infernape is better, Victini is better... even Entei is better. In-game does not equal competitive.

You sorta make a good point but why is that when my Emboar takes on a Salamence, that's right a Salamence it can take it down with one hit and manage to knock out a Hippowden as well in a row holding just a sitrus berry. If you were to have a battle without super effective moves Emboar can be decent in some way. It's to do with how you use it. GOSH! >

You sorta make a good point but why is that when my Emboar takes on a Salamence, that's right a Salamence it can take it down with one hit and manage to knock out a Hippowden as well in a row holding just a sitrus berry. If you were to have a battle without super effective moves Emboar can be decent in some way. It's to do with how you use it. GOSH! >

You can't quote ONE instance and claim that because of it, Emboar is amazing and awesome and etc. Besides, Im pretty sure outrage from a Salamence would knock out Emboar.

You sorta make a good point but why is that when my Emboar takes on a Salamence, that's right a Salamence it can take it down with one hit and manage to knock out a Hippowden as well in a row holding just a sitrus berry. If you were to have a battle without super effective moves Emboar can be decent in some way. It's to do with how you use it. GOSH! >

OHKOing Salamence isn't exactly a notable accomplishment; Salamence isn't some super bulky tank. A LO Vanilluxe can OHKO offensive Salamence 3 times over with one Ice Beam, not to mention that most Salamence sets will easily outspeed and OHKO an offensive Emboar anyways. And I'd like to see these Emboar and Hippowdon sets you're talking about. Even a 252+ Emboar's Grass Knot caps out at 86.66% against a physically defensive Hippowdon, and that's pretty much Sitrus Berry Emboar's best shot at OHKOing it. A OHKO is only possible against a Hippowdon that is barely investing in bulk at all, which is a terrible idea, and beating bad players with bad EV spreads proves nothing.

Only reason why people don't like Emboar competitively is because it's naturally compared against Infernape (Which has the Speed to compensate with the Attack & Special Attack) & Blaziken (Which has a wonderful Movepool & the blessed Speed Boost ability). The only thing that Emboar has against these 2 is the durability to survive longer due to it's HP & a 3 Point higher attack stat than Blaziken... Don't get me wrong, I've personally grown to love Emboar but facts are facts.

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Emboar sucks because of its type, stats and moves it was given in the meantime.

Emboar will always be comparated with Blaziken and Infernape because they share the same type and are starters. However, Emboar is the most different of them. While Blaziken and Infernape are offensive and fast, Emboar is offensive, but slow. Neither raising Emboar's HP is enough to make up for its Speed. Therefore, Emboar sucks because it cannot cover its weakness and its speed in the meantime. You can take advantage of its high HP and use some recoil moves, but few of them are really recommended in competitive battle. Because of Emboar's Speed, in most of the ocasions it'll be able to attack only once, because in the second turn it'll be fainted. Then, Emboar is suggested to hold Quick Claw, or have a partner with Trick Room in double/triple battles. One thing that I applaud on Emboar is its compatibility with Scald, which can be a lot useful against ground and rock foes.

GF could alter Emboar's type and stats, but I don't think they'll do that.