Oct 12, 12 at 6:13pmluffyluffy

Studio: Production I.G.Episodes: 22

quote MAL

The series takes place in the near future, when it is possible to instantaneously measure and quantify a person's state of mind and personality. This information is recorded and processed, and the term "Psycho-Pass" refers to a standard used to measure an individual's being. The story centers around the "enforcement officer" Shinya Kougami, who is tasked with managing crime in such a world.

Okay so, it's written by Urobochi, the word MOE has been condemned by it's staff, and the animation is delightfully juicy. With it's overly gratuitous violent, hypersexuality, and constantly-rainy-neon-lit-future-city, this appears to be channeling the cyberpunk genre of the 80's.

So basically, strap yourselves in, because this is either going to live up to it's pedigree as a noitaminA show or crash and burn spectacularly.

Thread Recap (last 10 posts from newest to oldest)

Oct 09, 14 at 7:05pm

Duncan Idaho

So I recently saw a new version of Psycho pass called the extended version, it's just PP with every 2nd ep added to the previous one (IE EP 1 of PPE is EP 1+2 of verbatrim PP)

Sep 25, 14 at 5:47pm

Duncan Idaho

So there will be a S2? wow. I mean why even a S2? it was pretty complete by all means. Unless you want for sybil to go down.

He's really not that prolific. Blassreiter was awful. Didn't finish Aldnoah. But he wrote three awesome things and Gargantia was decent albeit flawed. Phantom was actually pretty good too. All writers have a style. If it's Miyazaki original, it's gonna be about strong women and nature. If it's Urobuchi, it's about... wait what's even similar about the three things Urobuchi did well other than having a dark atmosphere? Yes, all three had a Soylent Green is People twist, but other than that, they had pretty distinct themes and characters. If your idea of predictable is "it gets dark," then predictable to you just means "this person has a style, eww". Just like Ikuhara is always gonna make wacky psychological shit with magical girls, or Imaishi anime are always gonna be over-the-top, Urobuchi's writing is probably always gonna be pretty dark. I don't see anything wrong with the Butcher making grungy stories as long as he walks some new territory I'm good. I'd like to see more things written by him each year. His current pace is actually pretty slow.

That said, I worry Psycho-Pass will suffer without his guidance behind the ideas. He really did a good job in crafting his mains for S1, and I worry they'll become parodies of themselves in S2.

Sep 25, 14 at 11:19am

luffyluffy

I'm sorry. I didn't realize you thought so ill of Psycho-Pass. I don't personally find that PMMM, Psycho-Pass or even Fate/Zero (funny that because we knew what would happen at the end) were predictable garbage. If the plot makes any sort of sense though, some elements ought to be predictable, or the author is just doing random willy-nilly shit. I think he has fascinating ideas, and I give him enormous credit for creating a sci-fi world like this one, that anime and even other media have failed to do.

But sure, you can snark about him and say good riddance.

Woah woah woah bud, who said i thought badly of Psycho-Pass? I just think the Butch can get a little overdone sometimes. It's like his name gets attached to a project and instantly you can just know everything is going to have this veneer of "well this is a nice world" followed by "OH SHIT EVERYTHING *bleep*ING SUCKS".

I give Butch credit for creating this fascinating world and these beautiful comments, but lately I feel like he's being overutilized in a way. He's EVERYWHERE, which is good for him and his career, but I'm quickly getting burnt out on him and his ideas. Granted, a lot of the stuff he's worked on (Gargantia, Aldnoah.Zero, etc) ended up only being supervised by him, or only having one or two specific episode scripts written by him (thus rendering them a collaboration with the Butch, and not a Butch original or whatev) so the many flaws in those two specific works can't really be tied back to Butch entirely.

I can't really talk about Fate/Zero due to not really being a Fate/ franchise fan in the first place. First time I watched it I thought it was frightfully dull, but the second time I watched it, I thought it was really exciting and fun. So who knows.

On the topic of Psycho-Pass and it's lack of the Butch, it's possible it might suffer. Hell it probably will, because no one in Japan these days knows how to *bleep*ing write. But it's possible it might flourish! tl;dr, I'm tired of The Butch.

Sep 25, 14 at 10:12am

Wakaman

After watching season 1 I came to the conclusion that Sybil is bullshit. Seems they added the human brain network in just for a new twist when it wasn't even needed.

It seems more to read people's emotions/adrenaline levels rather than their intent/mind. I mean if you consider how Akane and Makishima are always cool and collect it made sense.

I hope next season adds a bit more onfo to what exactly happens. I enjoyed it but the brain part pissed me off.

Sep 25, 14 at 8:34am

Mastix

I like my cartoons not being horribly predictable, thank you very much

I'm sorry. I didn't realize you thought so ill of Psycho-Pass. I don't personally find that PMMM, Psycho-Pass or even Fate/Zero (funny that because we knew what would happen at the end) were predictable garbage. If the plot makes any sort of sense though, some elements ought to be predictable, or the author is just doing random willy-nilly shit. I think he has fascinating ideas, and I give him enormous credit for creating a sci-fi world like this one, that anime and even other media have failed to do.

But sure, you can snark about him and say good riddance.

Sep 23, 14 at 1:58pm

luffyluffy

I like my cartoons not being horribly predictable, thank you very much

Sep 23, 14 at 1:22pm

Mastix

So guys, how do you feel about S2 not being written by the Butcher?

Sep 22, 14 at 4:18am

Rabla

Highlight this box with your cursor to read the spoiler text.The last episodes made it very clear that Sybil is an imperfect system because of the human element, but thinking about it I don't really understand how Makishima could have a perfect 0 PP if he's being judged by humans. Back when we assumed the Sybil System was some sort of technological entity that read the personality and mind of the subject, I could believe Makishima's talent of fooling the system by truly believing he was in the right.

But if the system is controlled by the thoughts of people judging them, how is it that Makishima can do what he does when the people watching could just say "This guy is a *bleep*ing psychopath".

This might be obvious (its been forever since I watched the show and I'm only early in my New Edit Version watching) but I think the system is biased, or at least being controlled. The cyborg leader lady of Sybil who killed Kagari was working with Makishima at one point right?

But then if they are, that doesn't really explain how anyone else seems to follow the system fine. Akane, as mentioned, manages to remain completely neutral. I think she has a similar 'talent' to Makishima in the fact that her strong belief in justice and the choices of humans over the system is the way the world should be, and her complete belief in herself keeps her in a good spot. She can't make it jump up and down like Makishima can, but she can keep it healthy.

The two things we've seen effect the Sybil System and their Psycho-Passes seem to actively conflict with one another. It looks like its the sense of will of the person, but we're told its the judgement of others. I don't entirely understand what or how it works, so hopefully S2 will delve a little further once it starts up in a week or so.

As for Kogami... yeah. Safe to say by the end, the Sybil System judged him completely right. It's an odd standard that proves the PPs can be completely correct, which again makes Akane and Makishima's cases of seeming to have control over their own PP weird.

It's shown off all the way back in Ep 1, but Sybil's judgement seems extremely situational. The woman they were trying to save went into a panic, and because of the thoughts she had right at that moment, the system judged her as a target that should be killed. Akane could calm her down, and she lowered back to being stunned instead. I think this is an argument that Sybil's PP scores are based on what they see as they see it, not based on how a person changed over time or grew up. So I disagree with your theory that Makishima's PP was influenced by an isolated childhood or something like that.

Again, this is situational, and the Sybil System is very inconsistant, which is very in-character for it's supposed human nature.

I feel like as of the ending of S1, Akane wants to fight the system. I hope S2 explores a lot more of what Sybil is and can be, and what the exact factors behind Psycho-Pass scoring are.

Spoiler:responses

The last episodes made it very clear that Sybil is an imperfect system because of the human element, but thinking about it I don't really understand how Makishima could have a perfect 0 PP if he's being judged by humans. Back when we assumed the Sybil System was some sort of technological entity that read the personality and mind of the subject, I could believe Makishima's talent of fooling the system by truly believing he was in the right.

But if the system is controlled by the thoughts of people judging them, how is it that Makishima can do what he does when the people watching could just say "This guy is a *bleep*ing psychopath".

This might be obvious (its been forever since I watched the show and I'm only early in my New Edit Version watching) but I think the system is biased, or at least being controlled. The cyborg leader lady of Sybil who killed Kagari was working with Makishima at one point right?

But then if they are, that doesn't really explain how anyone else seems to follow the system fine. Akane, as mentioned, manages to remain completely neutral. I think she has a similar 'talent' to Makishima in the fact that her strong belief in justice and the choices of humans over the system is the way the world should be, and her complete belief in herself keeps her in a good spot. She can't make it jump up and down like Makishima can, but she can keep it healthy.

The two things we've seen effect the Sybil System and their Psycho-Passes seem to actively conflict with one another. It looks like its the sense of will of the person, but we're told its the judgement of others. I don't entirely understand what or how it works, so hopefully S2 will delve a little further once it starts up in a week or so.

As for Kogami... yeah. Safe to say by the end, the Sybil System judged him completely right. It's an odd standard that proves the PPs can be completely correct, which again makes Akane and Makishima's cases of seeming to have control over their own PP weird.

It's shown off all the way back in Ep 1, but Sybil's judgement seems extremely situational. The woman they were trying to save went into a panic, and because of the thoughts she had right at that moment, the system judged her as a target that should be killed. Akane could calm her down, and she lowered back to being stunned instead. I think this is an argument that Sybil's PP scores are based on what they see as they see it, not based on how a person changed over time or grew up. So I disagree with your theory that Makishima's PP was influenced by an isolated childhood or something like that.

Again, this is situational, and the Sybil System is very inconsistant, which is very in-character for it's supposed human nature.

I feel like as of the ending of S1, Akane wants to fight the system. I hope S2 explores a lot more of what Sybil is and can be, and what the exact factors behind Psycho-Pass scoring are.

Sep 11, 14 at 12:18pm

luffyluffy

Allright so I was thinking about this show suddenly, and I realized I had no idea how Sybil worked. Just as a warning, there are heavy spoilers, don't open this until you've finished the show.

Highlight this box with your cursor to read the spoiler text.Okay so we know Sybil is a bunch of brains all working together as one 'consciousness' that define and decide that the common peoples aptitudes are and reads their P-P ratings and decides if they're 'healthy' or 'unhealthy'. right? And we learn that Sybil itself has lots and lots of different brains in it's core system of all different people from all walks of life. Upstanding citizens like Akane, lowlifes and theives, and as many different people a the machine can get it's hands on.

Now, these brains decide the P-P ranking, but how do they do it? I assume it works like a network, probably like the virtual reality internet (you know the SPOOKY BOOGEY episode) (or that episode of Ghost in the Shell where Makoto and a bunch of other people get together and discuss the Laughing Man). So all the brains talk to each other, fire off their thoughts, and this decides the P-P. But that does't really.... make any sense, doesm' it? I mean the brains have all sorts of people, but they can still all decide to work together to single a person out (the enemy of my enemy is my friend?) so how do we know that Sybil is reading people correctly? Maybe they're saying "well this person has x, y, and z going on." "Oh, i knew someone with x who ended up murdering is parents" or whatever, and that's how they flag things? That's not truthhworthy at all, becase then Sybil isn't an 'allknowing computer system' it's jus a bunch of people debating shit. ("Well if he owns a gun, he'll probably shoot someone") right?

Okay so then we get to people like Akane and Makishima who're abnormal and can't be read by Sybil correctly. Makishima believes what he's doing (murder, terrorism, etc) is right, so his P-P drops whenever he's doing these things. (perhaps this means that Sybil is more conneced with propaganda then we realize? Cuz if people grow up getting told every day of their lives "if you do x, your psycho-pass will go up" they'd naturally believe it. But then if we believe that, clearly Sybil isn' 'reading peoples likelyness to commit crime', it's reading peoples likelyness to reject Sybil's propaganda) So if we go on that assumption, was Makishima isolated as a child, which lead to his abnormal reading? and wjat about Akane who seems to have a permanantly 'neutraL' P-P.

On the final note, Makishima vs Kogami. Makishima being the man who's P-P is always blue, and Kogami, who's P-P is constantly in the lethal zone. Throughout the entire series, Akane is told by Sybil and others that Kogami is dangerous, and that he'll kill if he gets the chance. And then in the last episode, Kogami kills Makishima with the revolver (and not the Sybil gun), thus breaking Akane's trust in him and fufilling his P-P reading. So now he's not 'a likely crimnal', he's a CONFIRMED criminal. So bringing this back to Sybil, does this man that Sybil, with it's arbitrary way of reading people, was right about Kogami? Is Kogami a bad element in society?

Okay so we know Sybil is a bunch of brains all working together as one 'consciousness' that define and decide that the common peoples aptitudes are and reads their P-P ratings and decides if they're 'healthy' or 'unhealthy'. right? And we learn that Sybil itself has lots and lots of different brains in it's core system of all different people from all walks of life. Upstanding citizens like Akane, lowlifes and theives, and as many different people a the machine can get it's hands on.

Now, these brains decide the P-P ranking, but how do they do it? I assume it works like a network, probably like the virtual reality internet (you know the SPOOKY BOOGEY episode) (or that episode of Ghost in the Shell where Makoto and a bunch of other people get together and discuss the Laughing Man). So all the brains talk to each other, fire off their thoughts, and this decides the P-P. But that does't really.... make any sense, doesm' it? I mean the brains have all sorts of people, but they can still all decide to work together to single a person out (the enemy of my enemy is my friend?) so how do we know that Sybil is reading people correctly? Maybe they're saying "well this person has x, y, and z going on." "Oh, i knew someone with x who ended up murdering is parents" or whatever, and that's how they flag things? That's not truthhworthy at all, becase then Sybil isn't an 'allknowing computer system' it's jus a bunch of people debating shit. ("Well if he owns a gun, he'll probably shoot someone") right?

Okay so then we get to people like Akane and Makishima who're abnormal and can't be read by Sybil correctly. Makishima believes what he's doing (murder, terrorism, etc) is right, so his P-P drops whenever he's doing these things. (perhaps this means that Sybil is more conneced with propaganda then we realize? Cuz if people grow up getting told every day of their lives "if you do x, your psycho-pass will go up" they'd naturally believe it. But then if we believe that, clearly Sybil isn' 'reading peoples likelyness to commit crime', it's reading peoples likelyness to reject Sybil's propaganda) So if we go on that assumption, was Makishima isolated as a child, which lead to his abnormal reading? and wjat about Akane who seems to have a permanantly 'neutraL' P-P.

On the final note, Makishima vs Kogami. Makishima being the man who's P-P is always blue, and Kogami, who's P-P is constantly in the lethal zone. Throughout the entire series, Akane is told by Sybil and others that Kogami is dangerous, and that he'll kill if he gets the chance. And then in the last episode, Kogami kills Makishima with the revolver (and not the Sybil gun), thus breaking Akane's trust in him and fufilling his P-P reading. So now he's not 'a likely crimnal', he's a CONFIRMED criminal. So bringing this back to Sybil, does this man that Sybil, with it's arbitrary way of reading people, was right about Kogami? Is Kogami a bad element in society?