Pope Francis I — St. Malachy’s Prophecy Complete? Final Pope?

In the extreme persecution of the Holy Roman Church, there will sit … Peter the Roman, who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations: and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the terrible judge will judge his people. The End.

We have a new Pope! But is it the last?

Those are the chilling words of the final passage of St. Malachy’s Prophecy, the infamous 12th century vision that revealed all of the Pope’s. All of this, of course, leads up to today (an interestingly foreboding date of 3/13/13), when the white smoke rose into the sky to confirm that the council had indeed agreed on a new Pope, the one expected by believers of the prophecy to be the last one. This comes on the heels of the unexpected resignation of Pope Benedict. Prior to his resignation, many believed the final crowning moment for St. Malachy’s Prophecy may still be several years down the road, but now it is upon us. So, did Malachy get it right all the way to the end. Does the new Pope fulfill the prophecy or tear it down at last? And what does it mean for the future? Is this really the final Pope?

The new Pope is Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, the 76-year-old archbishop of Buenos Aires. He is rumored to have been the runner-up to Joseph Ratzinger (Pope Benedict XVI) back in 2005. He’s a pretty natural selection and explains why the conclave was able to come to a decision relatively quickly. Latin America also is home to the largest portion of Catholics in the world, making it a symbolic choice as well. He is the first Pope from South America and the first ever to not be from Europe. This could symbolize a moving away from tradition in an attempt to reform and modernize the Catholic Church.

A picture of the now Pope Francis I.

All of that is fun to talk about, but let’s get to the point. What name did Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio select to start his reign? The name of Francis makes history. Pope Francis is Pope Francis I, and the very name is an indicator that the new Pope has reform and changing the image of the Catholic Church on his mind. After all, Francis of Assisi was synonymous with church reform and the rebuilding of the church in a very turbulent time. He also was a champion of humility and charitable works. He was such an influential figure in the annals of Catholicism that many believed no Pope would dare take his name because it would be considered almost sacrilegious. And yet, Bergoglio has done just that. Could it be because the end of the line of Pope’s is soon at hand?

We will be analyzing where this Pope announcement fits in the St. Malachy Prophecy. At first glance, there seems to be no connection. However, in the history of the prophecies, often it is some overlooked detail that allows people to find a way to make a case that Malachy was right again. We will have more on this later this evening as more research on Bergoglio is completed. At this point, the only connection that we can come up with to the prophecy is that the Cardinal selected a name that was a first. The name of Peter was considered the same way as Francis…untouchable. That was the meat of the prophecy, that the last Pope would cast aside all of that and take that name. Perhaps this Pope taking Francis, a first, is a roundabout fulfillment of the prophecy. But that’s just reaching right now and knee-jerk reaction. Better to wait until more research, opinions, and actions unfold to see what the real connection might be.

Peter Never went to Rome. God told him his assignment was to evangelize The House of Isreal. Paul the Apostle was sent to the gentiles (all who are not Jewish). The book of Romans was written to the gentiles in Rome in the New Testament. People should read it for themselves.
Also an estuary (bone box carved out of stone) was found in Jerusalem 40 or more years ago
with Perer’s Jewish name carved into it – Simon bar Jonas. Peter is burried in Jerusalem.

You are so right – Peter Simon bar jonas never went to rome but Simon Magnus of the book of Acts went to rome and with great miracoulous signs and wonder started the roman church on the foundations of that old and wicked Babylonian System

Baraq ubamah translated from hebrew means lightning from heaven. JESUS SAYS IN REVELATIONS “I BEHELD SATAN AS LIGHTNING FROM HEAVEN translated to hebrew and its baraq ubamah. Antichrist is very real from revelations. Antichrist is also portrayed as a man of peace. HOW GOT THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE??? 9/11/11 IN FRONT OF 2 BOTTOMLESS PITS WHERE THE TRADE CENTERS USED 2 B . BARAQ ALSO DECLARED HIMSELF AS GOD. EXACTLY WHAT REVELATIONS SAYS ANTICHRIST WOULD DO. READ REVELATIONS 9:11 AND IT ALL COMES FULL CIRCLE. ANGEL OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT…IN JESUS NAME AMEN

Prophecies are never written in stone. They can be used to guide. Perhaps the prophecies have helped alter the direction that the church is moving towards. Maybe there was a choice made by the church to move away from those predictions. I hope so. I hope that this pope does look to change things to fit in today’s time and language, using it to spread the message of love unity and peace. The people of the world that feel that within them need to become the more vocal the more heard. Be the light =]

You are confused if it’s a biblical Prophecies that are absolutely written in stone . But anything else is not written in stone … God Word reminds absolute truth and one of the evidence of this biblical prophecy always comes true

I was gonna say the same thing and the fact that st Malachi was alive near the time of Francis Assisi. Thefact that he is 1st pope besides Peter to take role it could be fulfillment totally unexpected but that’s how God works

The completion of the papal conclave has proven that Malachy (if he existed at all) was wrong, (or at least the hoaxer is wrong who attributed the prophecy to Malachy in the first instance. Know one knows the hour or day the end will come.
God has HIDDEN this from all eyes. Why else is the book of revelation so vague and disconnected to our time and space?
Antichrist and the false prophet WILL arose, but it’ll be be millions (thousands more probably) years in the future.
This end time foolishness is boring, pointless, stupid and too far into the distant future to worry over.

Its the end when its the end
THIS ISN’T THE END!!!
M sincere apologies to all those dooms day buffs!
Maybe next time, hey?

Read 1 Thess 5:4 It tells us that time will come as a thief in the night upon the world, but believers will know, they wil not be caught off guard. If you are a believer you know the time is short, malaci prophecy real or not.

To “Truth” …. You are not telling the truth. In Luke 21, Jesus is very explicit about when the “end” will come. He gives the disciples a whole shopping list of things to watch for, then talks about the fig tree blossoming. The fig tree is a symbol of Israel. Jesus tells the disciples that Jerusalem will fall and not one stone of the temple would still be in place. Then He says that whe the “fig tree” blossoms again, these signs He’D listed would begin to come to pass, AND the generation that saw Israel made a nation again would see all these things. Israel was not a nation for over 2000 years, then, in a day, May 14, 1948 it was reborn. It is the only nation to do so, ever! So … We CAN know the time .. What we cannot know is the actual day and hour. AND … We are that generation. ALSO… Revelation is completely understandable. NOW. Previous generations have had difficulty understanding it because it seemed so surreal. We who live in the 21st century have no difficulty understanding the concept of 200 million, for example. And John’s descriptions of weird animals are not so strange for those of us who know about helicopters, tanks, flame throwers, and the nuclear bomb. Please find a teacher who will actually lead you through Scripture … not just quote Scripture out of context.

Jesus said that to the world He would come as a thief in the night, but to the believer He would not. To Quote Matthew 24 is the standard argument of all who fail to understand that not only do we know exactly WHEN He will return, we also know to within a 48 hour time frame of His return. He died at Passover, was in the ground for three days( Matza), He rose on First Fruits, and sent the Holy Spirit on Pentecost ( The first Four Jewish Feasts all fulfilled ) He will come for His bride on Trumpets, He will reappear in Glory on Atonement, and Rule and reign for a thousand years ( Tabernacles )…..the three feasts yet to be fulfilled. His return is imminent, could even be this year, but it is VERY close. Wake up my friend, you need to repent and get ready.

how do you KNOW that the antichrist will not arise for “millions of years”? While Jesus did state that no one will know the day or the hour, He DID state that we would know the season, and recognize it by the signs… Furthermore, He also told us to watch and pray that that day did not come upon us unprepared…

So how is it, you contend that those who, unlike yourself, accept Jesus’ words are, how did you put it “…foolishness is boring, pointless, stupid and too far into the distant future to worry over…”?

Sorry Truth……this IS the end…..for us a glorious meeting with our Lord in the skies……for you 7 years of horrific tribulation…..are you pretending because the bottom line is that it scares you half to death? Just repent……say Jesus I’m sorry I doubted you, and you can join us in the clouds…..I find that most people who deny the truth are full of fear for their future, Jesus said FEAR NOT for I am with you. Praying for you.

The Bible also tells us that you will know the season. Since Israel took Jerusalem, the “season” started, and we are also told that this generation will see the second coming. So, 1967+40 to 120 years, leaves us with 2007-2087(certainly not telling us the day, but the season.)

Another example of foolishness like Harold Camping ? .Maybe something where there is nothing.We seen enough of this garbage date setting days and a year .Quit make some mathematical magic number fit .They never will . Signs yes math now …

Here a example of someone who know little of biblical truth .Over and over Jesus warns to be aware of the signs .He scolds them in scripture for not being aware of His coming the first time .He show Matthew 24 and Luke 21 sign to look for on His second coming. All scripture is God inspired not some . We also here a pastor quote a thief in the night except they seem to fail to read the rest of the text .You as in believers are not children of the day that this day (Jesus returning) show take you by surprise .

The Bible says to be watching and waiting for those looking for Christ’s return…those watching will see the signs, those not watching will ignore them or refuse to see them. The book of Revelation is not that vague if you take the time to study it. I don’t know if the prophecies of the this man are true or not but I do know that the Bible is true and the signs of times are everywhere! God bless, seek Him and He will be found!

you art a dumest assest, you are thicketh, of common senseth, You eateth of the Goats grain, and shall be seperateth of the goats to the left, your all leftisteth, and biblioidolerteristith, and you shall be in the lake of fireth. I disembowelest, baptistist from my cracketh hole like Bobeth DeBoyeth.

The prophecy says he will feed the sheep,i don’t see any apostasy with the prophecy.And Pope Francis is at least half italian on his father’s side but does he have jewish blood?St.Peter was Jewish.Either way Jesus is coming.

An exhaustive article I came across before Francis, covered the prophecies and how they were fulfilled by each of the popes. I thought the connections made to explain the fulfillment of the prophecies were very obscure and some farfetched; I expect someone will come up with something to connect this pope to the prophecy down the road despite his name.

This new Pope is a Jesuit. The high priest of the Jesuit was always called the black pope. Petrus Romanus, means Peter the Roman. Peter means the rock or stone and stone of Rome means the black stone in Latin.

It could be that the Vatican’s council did acknowledge the prophecy and choosing this name was kind of an acknowledgement. As for the end of the world the only things that come to end are the things that prevent our growth. Sometimes it takes big time resets (disaster and destruction) in order to rebuild or renew. It seems as if humans still cannot see a better way to change before disaster strikes. This whole revelations and end of the world to me only means the end of the world that never worked and the beginning of a new world in where technology and humans progress and advance faster then we ever have in the past. Its all the negative and all the brain overload and distractions that prevent us from progressing. But judgement day where humans are no longer or even the end of Catholicism or the church. That will never be the only thing to come to pass are the negative things or people that stop our progress.

Jesuit priests are the only order of priests who can give the rite of reconciliation/confession to the pope,it’s interesting that Pope Francis is a Jesuit,i wonder if he heard any previous popes confessions?

Petrus Romanus means the black rock. Jesus called Peter the Rock. Please google the “stone of Rome” what is called in Latin and you will see it’s known as the black rock. Black is the color of the Jesuit and they have the black pope name for their leader. The pope is the rock as he is the representative of St Peter. So black rock (petrus romanus) is the Jesuit Pope.

Such nonsense. The Latin name “Petrus Romanus” translates to “Peter the Roman”. It has nothing to do with “black”. Also, all priests wear all black more often than anything else. Why am I not surprised that people would stretch things as far as possible or even make up ridiculous nonsense to connect the new pope to this prophecy or to the Illuminati?

Really! Where on earth do they get “black” in “Romanus”? There is SO much garbage on the web, and I know I have to see multiple, independent-of-each-other corroborations of information to pay attention anymore. People just make up stuff, or repeat nonsense they never think about or think to investigate, before incorporating it into THEIR VERY BELIEF SYSTEM! Conspiracies and extra-Biblical prophecies remind me of all these stock market predictors, where it’s forever true that “only time will tell,” i.e., tell that they’re wrong! I’ve got a word for you, guys, c-o-i-n-c-i-d-e-n-c-e. You think just maybe it’s a coincidence that, every time some new prophecy, UFO, Bigfoot, et al, conspiracy or radical interpretation of scripture comes along, could it be just a COINCIDENCE there’s somebody selling a book, a CD, or a DVD, promoting the idea, COINCIDENTALLY selling this stuff to COINCIDENTALLY gullible people? Tell you what, all you buckos out there, want a new experience? Try critical thinking for a change. Oh! And maybe somebody needs to tell you that, if it’s on the web, maybe that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s got to be true.

Ed you posted this twice already. Why are you trying to pound your BS lie down everyone’s throat? I have googled Stone of Rome, Black Stone, etc. and there is NO correlation to Petrus Romanus. Cite your source or GTFO.

St Malachy never gave the real name of any pope but he gave hints. Why you are assuming that for this 112 pope he revealed his name by saying Petrus Romanus means Peter the Roman. Not one prophecy that came from saints or prophets gave real names but hints. Peter means the rock as it can’t mean anything else since Jesus said it like that. The Rock of Rome means ONLY the black rock. Whatever you say will not change the fact that the black color was always related to Jesuits. Rock=Pope (St Peter representative) and black is the color for the Jesuits. Jesus always said that the wise will understand. St Malachy’s prophecy was in that direction like all the prophecies thru time.

Look at http://www.franciscan-sfo.org/hland/sandamiano.pdf
“The long hours of soul-searching which Francis went through
in the years 1205-1206 find their first answer in the words of the Crucifix of San
Damiano: ‘Francis, don’t you see that my house is being destroyed? Go, then, and
rebuild it for me.’”
Jesus told the disciple Peter “On this rock, I will build my church…”
This is a connection to the new Pope that cannot be dismissed.

The name Peter in the prophecy may refer to “Peter the fisherman” from the bible. The new pope is a member of the Society of Jesus, a jesuit whos symbol features the letter IHS. The new popes coat of arms features the same letters. Read the second statement in the following.

A common Christogram based on the first three letters of “Jesus” in Greek (Ίησους, in Greek capitals ΙΗΣΟΥΣ, or ΙΗϹΟΥϹ using lunate sigmas, semi-Latinized IHSOVS).

Early Christians, persecuted in the Roman Empire, used the fish as their secret symbol to recognise another member of the Faithful. It is still used to-day and referred to the Fisherman but had a second significance:

He was elected on 3/13/13 at 13 minutes after the hour. The 13th chapter of Revelation is about the anti-christ and the beast. 13 was also the number of guests at the last supper until Judas betrayed Jesus. It is also where Jesus prohesies Peter’s denial of him. Some interesting coincidences.

The second statement on this wiki page is what interests me. The letters IHS feature on his coat of arms and the jesuit symbol. Although there are many differing descriptions for the meaning of the catholic symobl IHS, some say it is a shortened acronym of the greek word for fish “Ichthus” and refers to the “fisherman” or “fisher of men” which was St Peter the fisherman. I am unsure of the roman part of peter the roman.

Okay here is my second draft of research:Referring to the new pope’s name Pope Francis ( from Francis of Assisi),
Francis ~ On a pilgrimage to Rome, he joined the poor in begging at St.
Peter’s Basilica. This made him truly “the Roman.” His father is
Pietro. And finally the most alarming signus, a vision, “”Francis,
Francis, go and repair My house which, as you can see, is falling into
ruins.”” But this time, and the prophecy of Malachy, it says, “Peter the
Roman, who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations, and when these
things are finished, the city of seven hills [i.e. Rome] will be
destroyed, and the dreadful judge will judge his people. The End.” see
the significance? THE REPAIR AND DESTROY of Father & Son.
PLUS Mike Kidd’s addition: Assisi = Meteorite = ROCK = PETER
(Please read St Francis of Assisi’s column for better historical relation)

“On a pilgrimage to Rome, he joined the poor in begging at St.
Peter’s Basilica. This made him truly “the Roman.” ”

Yes! Just like a panhandler in New York is generally considered the only true New Yorker! Wow! I’m beginning to see the light. Add to that “Peter” really code for male genitalia (and you never know, Francis may have, at some point in his life, grown Roma tomatoes in his garden… got black dirt on his hands… becoming clear? BLACK POPE?!), and the Malarkey Prophecy is beginning to fit! I like Spider Man comics, too.

You know, if you look at the letters in the prophecy words in reverse, then take the middle one or two letters, depending on even or odd, cut off the top half of a Captain Crunch box and superimpose those letters on…

Yup! so many things that suits the “Peter the Roman” to this new pope especially the chosen papal name. His father’s name is Peter lol for me that made him Peter junior. Having Assisi as the rock (meteorite) and him as a beggar at St Peter’s. I hope i’m on the track in doing my research. hahaha Thanks!

History shows that massive religious upheaval tends to occur during the collapse of an empire. The religion of the previous regime is usually tossed out along with the political and cultural constructs. So the end of the Catholic church, and the Christian mythology in general, we can assume will stop the same way it started…by the collapse of the empire that currently rules and the establishment of a new one. In this case, the reign of the Western powers led by the US and the rise of China and the East will likely provide the horrors and the catalyst necessary to discard Christianity in favor of the new myth. It is during this time that the final pope will be elected.

The problem I have with the Malachy prophecies is that this upheaval usually takes a couple of centuries to complete. Since we’ve just barely started the decline of the Western imperial regime, and this pope is very old, it is almost certain he will not be the last. I just can not see any scenario where the collapse trajectory of the current global industrial civilization completes within a decade or two. I don’t doubt for an instant that Christianity will disappear as a religion within a few centuries. I just don’t think it can happen soon enough to make Pope Francis I the “Petrus Romanus” to which the Malachy prophecies refer.

i dont know about the Peter the Roman stuff ,except to say thet every pope could be called that as the pope is the bishop of Rome which “Francis”emphasised in his address to the crowd.and the pope”s office is referred to in latin as “petrine”.Also it is well known that the Jesuit leader is called the “black pope”as they are believed to control the Vatican behind the scenes.
This pope , although living a “simple” life and and acting as advocate of the poor etc.is extremely conservative.the kind of transparency and reform the church really needs he will not likely persue. Also the Jesuit order and transparency shouldn’t be in the same sentence.The order has a well documented and infamous history as being so devious and manipulative and undermining of governments,they were expelled out of nearly all the countries they were in in the 17 00’s.This is all smoke and mirrors. it is interesting and may be signifiant that when his (papal)name was announced they did not say “Francis the First”, but just ‘Francis” as though he would not be the first of many (francis’s)but the only one (sic).
Malachy or not, prophcy (Biblical) is being rapidly fulfilled
Just witness the media and world excitment over this whole thing .
” and all the world wondered after the beast” Rev.13:3 The iron fist beneath the smooth glove will soon show itself.and we will with blinding swiftness experience at the hand of this beast the kind of persecution that will make the “Reign of Terror” of the French revolution seem like an afternoon tea party.This is Antichrist Do not be decieved. f if any man say “lo’ here is Christ or lo ther he is” beliee it not”

Regardless of whether Malachy prophecy is true for this pope or not, Pope Benedict chose the name Benedict which is of the Benedictine order. His phrase was de gloria olivae (glory of the olive). Within the Benedictine order, is a subsidiary order called Olivetans whose main spiritual task is to prepare the world for apocalyptic times…Jesus himself also made apocalyptic prophecy on Mount of OLIVES:

“Take care that no one misleads you. For many will come claiming my name and saying, “I am the Messiah”; and many will be misled by them. The time is coming when you will hear the noise of battle near at hand and the news of battles far away; see that you are not alarmed. Such things are bound to happen; but the end is still to come. For nation will make war upon nation, kingdom upon kingdom; there will be famines and earthquakes in many places. With all these things the birth-pangs of the new age begin. “(Matthew 24: 4-8)

Perhaps the past hints the future in a very bizarre way…even with Camerlengo’s name (Cardinal Tarcisio Pietro Bertone) rearranging into Iscariot which is of Judas Iscariot who was Christ’s betrayer…

Part of the Nostradamus Prophecy says:
“After the [Holy] See kept for seventeen years, <Refers to Pope Pius XI who was pope for17yr
Five completed terms will exchange within [the Vatican]:
Then one will be elected at the same time,
Who will not be too conforming to the Romans. <<This refers to Benedict

"Not from Spain but from ancient France,
Will be elected for the trembling ship [the Bark of St. Peter],
He will make a promise to the enemy,
Who will cause great plague during his reign"

“In the extreme persecution of the Holy Roman Church, there will sit … Peter the Roman”

This sentence intrigues me. The Roman Church is persecuted all over North America and Europe due to child abuse. I think we are at the height of this matter and this “black pope” will lead his sheep to less troublesome time. Then…

The only way I would have been on board was if the prophecy match in a coherent way. The fact that people are going around there elbows to get to their asses disproves the whole thing. A true prophecy will actually predict something before it happens accurately. Twisting and stretching a vague paragraph to fit an event after the fact is not prophecy it is simply BS.

Personally I find it odd that no one has alluded to the recent 21/12/2012 (as we British write it) end of the world prediction in connection with Malachy’s prophecy. Could it not be that we ARE entering into a new state of enlightenment and this is the Catholic way of revealing a new truth to followers. After all, whatever the Pope tells the Catholic world, they will believe. Didn’t Pope Benedict announce that God created the Universe and all its inhabitants and we should not be surprised if their is life elsewhere? No Pope would have broached this subject, even 10 years ago. The world is changing and, please remember, the papal vaults are full of secrets and the church full of scholars and specialists. Who knows what truths may be about to be revealed to us. At first glance, Pope Francis looks strong enough to cope with emerging tumult.

Just want to metion and remind everyone that the new Pope said he would evangelize Rome… He is reclaiming his heritage and wants to be a Pope and evangelist to Rome. That, I’m sure, is just part of this puzzle, and I’m sure more will be revealed.

I think you are all quite crazy. Why not just accept that this new Pope does not fit that wretched prophecy? He is simply a humble Church servant who loves Christ. There is nothing sinister in being a Jesuit. You are wrong heading for Francis of Assisi….the missionary Saint Francis Xavier was a Jesuit and no doubt the one he was thinking of primarily.

Scripture is clear that antichrist (s) don’t accept the truths about Christ – the Incarnation, Death and Resurrection. In particular that God became man. This humble servant Pope Francis does believe, preach and emulate our Lord in so far as possible. Why can’t you take the true witness of his word and his life as authentically real. How could you think he could serve, be or usher in the antichrist!!

We should not judge any person as Jesus said Don’t judge no one so you won’t be judged. Concerning myself, when I said this pope is petrus romanus, I am not judging this pope but I am reading the prophecy of St Malachy and trying to find a reasonable interpretation. Jesus told us to watch the signs and concerning myself, all I can say is that the signs are so many and accumulating. Please also remember that the exact hour is only known by God, even the Son does not know it, because God is merciful.

I strongly believe that this is the last pope because HE is Petrus Romanus and I’ve explained in previous comments how I see it is true. Some people wanted him to be called Peter, it’s like people who will recognize the antichrist by only seeing the 666 on him. It will be good to remember that while Petrus Romanus is the last pope, that doesn’t mean the judgement of God will occur after the pope flees Rome etc… for God, a thousand years is like one day. The more we pray and repent, the more we get away from that final judgment.

If you are protestant, you have no way of connecting Pope Francis to Petrus Romanus since you already considered the final Pope as a conduit of the Antichrist. However, if you are Catholic, you will see the connection because the name “Petrus Romanus” implies the strength, faithfulness, and character of St. Peter who did not compromise in teaching and preserving the integrity of the gospel. The lifestyle, character, and conservatism of Pope Francis will reveal a match with St. Peter and his future actions may reveal more (at the expense of gay movements).

Actually the ceremony was held at St. Peter’s Cathedral, that’s what I seen. Hope that helps. .That picture of him smiling and waving to the thousands is at St Peter’s. There ya go, that was an easy one. Surprised no one caught it yet, I tried to read through all the comments and I didn’t see anyone mention it.

Well, if you take Francis, remove the ‘r’ and append the ‘r’ to Pete, you get Peter, for Pete’s sake! And what difference does it make if he’s Argentine? He’s in Rome now, and, when in Rome, you do like the Romans do, right? They all look the same to me, in those Halloween costumes, anyway. (If there’s any reform with Fancis Peter, it should start with a new dress code, somewhere in the neighborhood of normal Every time I see one of those dudes on TV it’s like some bizarre civilization in a Star Trek episode or as if the first thing out of their mouths will be, “Trick or treat!”)

By the way, here’s a cool link for you guys that throws in a little muddy Nostradamus to further cloud the murky waters of your extra-Biblical “prophecy”, though I most liked the comets stuff:

P.S. Highly recommend some of you just stick to the Bible for awhile, as God, in HIS book, laid it all out very well, maybe exhaust the real thing, first, before worrying about how you’re going to stuff a round peg into that square hole?

It was common in Europe for the son to have the same last name as the father. Read the following three quotes. 1) Encyclopedia Britannica, 2) Wikipedia 3) The Catholic Encyclopedia. How much closer can you get to calling Peter ?

Saint Francis of Assisi
From Encyclopedia Britannica

Saint Francis of Assisi, Italian San Francesco d’Assisi, baptized Giovanni, renamed Francesco, original name Francesco di Pietro di Bernardone (born 1181/82, Assisi, duchy of Spoleto [Italy]—died October 3, 1226, Assisi; canonized July 16, 1228; feast day October 4), founder of the Franciscan orders of the Friars Minor (Ordo Fratrum Minorum), the women’s Order of St. Clare (the Poor Clares), and the lay Third Order.

Francis of Assisi
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

St. Francis of Assisi (Italian: San Francesco d’Assisi, born Giovanni di Pietro di Bernardone, but nicknamed Francesco (“the Frenchman”) by his father, 1181/1182 – October 3, 1226)[3] was an Italian Catholic friar and preacher. He founded the men’s Order of Friars Minor, the women’s Order of St. Clare, and the Third Order of Saint Francis for men and women not able to live the lives of itinerant preachers followed by the early members of the Order of Friars Minor or the monastic lives of the Poor Clares.[4] Though he was never ordained to the Catholic priesthood, Francis is one of the most venerated religious figures in history.[4]

THE CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA
His father, Pietro Bernardone, was a wealthy Assisian cloth merchant. Of his mother, Pica, little is known, but she is said to have belonged to a noble family of Provence. Francis was one of several children. The legend that he was born in a stable dates from the fifteenth century only, and appears to have originated in the desire of certain writers to make his life resemble that of Christ. At baptism the saint received the name of Giovanni, which his father afterwards altered to Francesco, through fondness it would seem for France, whither business had led him at the time of his son’s birth. In any case, since the child was renamed in infancy, the change can hardly have had anything to do with his aptitude for learning French, as some have thought.

” Francesco di Pietro (Peter) di Bernardone — literally, Peter the Roman.” Um, no. LITTERALLY it means Francesco OF Peter OF Bernardone. Loosely translated it would likely mean Francesco son of Peter from the town Bernardone. Or possibly Frmancesco Peter, like a last name. But it most definitely doesn’t literally mean Peter the Roman.

It is in the style of surname, translated to English: Francesco Pietro Bernardone (just as most of us have first, middle, and last names). What seems to be far fetched, though, is that this Pope is, therefore, Peter, because St. Francis had Peter as a middle name. Maybe St. Francis used Romano cheese on his pasta, therefore this Pope is “the Roman” big cheese? See what I mean? (Seriously, you just KNOW that, if Francis were shown sprinkling a can of Romano cheese on his food, somebody would call it a Malachy moment!) This sort of thinking can lead one to “prove” most anything true if you fish enough, cramming that round peg into a square hole. But, I don’t see what the big whup it that “Peter the Roman” just can’t mean Pope, in the first place, perhaps he a true Peter-type Roman Catholic, leading Roman Catholics, as the prophecy does not state this last Pope will be the antichrist, false prophet, or evil, rather merely that he leads his flock during times of tribulation. So, as said, the jury is out on whether Francis is the last Pope, whether he is for ultimate good or evil, much of nothing to go on, yet, to say yeah or nay. Capisce? Or must I ‘splain it to ya’ more?

You seem to miss the point if you are referring to my post. JR. Certainly the jury is not in on such interpretations even if they are valid. In the Malachy prophecies which are admittedly in dispute none the less it appears all one needs is a reference to the name Peter directly or even indirectly then to attach the reference to Roman. It does not mean he is Peter the Roman. Rather there may be a rhetorical inference, however slight and that’s all it takes. Perhaps even as slight some would say, the prophecies of Malachy either have some meaning, or are false transliterations of imaginary wishful thought.

In any event it is quite clear that as far as we know this is a time when never before we have had 7 billion people on this little planet. Furthermore, I do not have a plough and two horses in my back yard. Definitively I cannot say it any more plainly: we are at a unique time historically. That’s a fact eh !

While the relevance of that may be arguable, that it matters not, what’s the purpose then of even discussing this issue if you have already rendered your opinion on thin data ? I suggest you re-read Mathew 24, Thessalonians and Daniel. If none of this matters then so be it. But if it does perhaps we should take a harder look at ourselves and what we focus on as material vs. spiritual. Definitively I challenge anyone to answer: are we moving to the better or are we staying the same or are degrading as a society as a result of “the wise social engineers ? When was the last time you got a good satisfactory response from your elected or appointed ombudsman ?

In this century we have killed more people than all history combined. You tell me what is going on ! And if this continues you tell me what will be the result. Are you happy with the direction the status quo is going (that includes manipulation such as the “LIBOR”) You figure it out. I don’t have to repeat this over again. Ask yourself is this the direction we want for our grandchildren ?

Or is there a better way ? As an optimist with several degrees in Psychology and Sociology don’t you think that it’s time to attempt moreover as best we can, and we are not, to reconcile our social differences ?

That is not wishful woofledust thinking. If we can grow an ear on a Rat we can certainly likely bring some relief to the less fortunate both in spirit and in health.

I respect everyones opinions and all I have is a lot of questions without answers. Maybe bc I’m hungry for the truth.
Something really interesting in his first mass as a pope is that his first lecture was in reference to Isaias and started with the phrase. “At the end of times, the hill would be firm at the house of the father” … The second reading was from a letter from Saint Peter. Then he read the confesion from saint peter to st Mattheus. When Jesus asks .. Who do you think I am? YOu are the Christ. The living God, and Jesus responds and I’ll tell you that you are Peter and over this rock you will lift my church and the doors of hell would not destroy them.
He lectured all the members of the church that wihtout the cross within they are not serving God. All they are doing is just calling themselves Cardinals, Archibishops and priests.
Do you think he has a hidden message on his first mass?

What about the seagull that was standing ontop of the chimmney right before the white smoke came out?
What about the lightning that stroke the vatican twice after Bennedict stepped down?
What about the meteorite that was caught on camera and that the WHOLE world saw a week later?
The church is divided. Can the end of the catholic church be more like a metaphor that church would move into a more hummble place?

The lightening strikes, the seagull attack of the dove and seagull perching, meteorites, and, yes, Malachy prophecy can’t just be dismissed, IMO: strange things indeed happening lately! I know I posted some things “tongue in cheek,” calling it the Malarkey prophecy and such, but really meant that I don’t subscribe to extra-Biblical prophecy, am very skeptical of any such thing, as these so-called prophecies fall like dominoes, over and over. But, to be serious, here’s something I posted on another blog, concerning Malachy, the main point that this Pope need not be named Peter, or even be Italian, I don’t believe is necessarily the case, and the main point is that it’s a “wait and see” matter, all that can be said at this point, that post:

I have a hard time with any extra-Biblical prophecy, and we could all say such prophecies fall like dominoes, in their time. On the other hand, I have found Malachy’s interesting, over the years. That preface is to say I’m not advocating the Popes prophecy valid, but here are some thoughts.

That the Pope isn’t named Peter, that there must be a Peter link to such as a surname of St. Francis, or a link to being Italian or Rome I don’t believe are true, to make the prophecy valid. Peter the Roman, in Catholic vernacular, could simply be a Pope. Catholics believe the Pope the current Peter, who’s a Roman Catholic, all Popes, therefore, Peter the Roman in their perceived role, i.e., this could just be another way of saying Pope. Bottom line? I think we’ll have to see if the end times come about during the reign of Francis and if the rest of the “prophecy” surfaces, therefore don’t believe we can really say anything, yet. I would suggest all the banter is interesting, but a lot of it is trying to stuff the prophecy into a mold that helps people maintain what they want to believe. Forcing all these indirect correlations to try and make the prophecy real is, when you think about it, dangerous, in that it’s just the way people deceive themselves and are deceived, believing what they want to believe. If you can’t see that some is obviously true, on face value, and have to go fishing to make it seem true, what are you really accomplishing, anyway?

Whatever the case, believe in the Lord Jesus, read your Bibles, pray, and KNOW He is coming again, every day one day closer to this blessed hope.

Those were some thoughts from elsewhere, for what they’re worth.

Oh! By the way (OT, sorry…), here’s a cool YouTube video I came upon. This dude, Paul Begley, has a delivery that can also be sort of funny, but did anybody else hear the Euphrates River is drying up, this was noted in mainstream press? (You can also Google lots of articles about this.)

Black Pope
black pope is a hit, and the name from what I read above too…
“Black Pope” is a derogatory nickname given to the Superior General[1] usually by the media (and never used by the Jesuits themselves). The name comes partly from the color of the plain black priest’s cassock, worn by members of the Society, including the Superior General, partly from a past concern (most prominent around the 16th and 17th centuries) amongst Protestant European countries concerning the relative power of the Jesuits within the Roman Catholic Church, and partly because the Superior General is elected for life.

I find these comments very interesting. I think it’s very important to be skeptical when learning something new about prophecy but I don’t discount Malichi’s prophecies yet, especially since the labour of the sun prophecy pertaining to john paul 2. If you want to be sure of accuracy for the peter the roman prophecy you need to look at if there are similarities between the characteristics of the disciple Peter and the current pontiff. I realize Peter was not Roman but if pope, you pretty much become so. If the current news about Francis’ personality is true, then he does share the same or very similar characteristics where while leader he equates himself with his fellow believers and doesn’t perceive himself as about them. He shares his humility and if he continues in such manner amidst the current problems and / or progressing problems in the Catholic church and that church is destroyed then that is fullfillment of the prophecy. His personality can certainly draw the wonder of the people which is certainly bad for true believes in Christ who don’t follow this pagan religion which disguises itself as christian who could be easily swayed by his humble behavior. His charisma could possibly match that of John Paul 2 and if Revelation is talking about the catholic church as the whore of babylon he would indeed be the antichrist. If not for the prophecy of the labour of the sun concerning John Paul 2 and how many verses in revelation seem to describe the Vatican and Catholic church to a ‘T’ I wouldn’t be paying so much attention to it now. It’s definitely something one should think about.

Even if it might not look like it, Pope Francis is fulfilling the Malachy prophecy. He took on the name of Francis, in honor if St. Francis of Assisi, an Italian (Rome is in Italy) whose real name is Francesco di Pietro (variation of the name Peter) di Bernardone. Looks to me like Pope Francis could be Peter the Roman…

Saint Francis of Assissi (back in 1226 A.D.) questioned the validity of the election the future pope. It is interesting that Bergoglio chose Francis of Assissi… Could it be Frances 1 is not “valid” for some reason? Maybe a frontman for the person who is REALLY running the Vatican?

78-year-old Cardinal Peter Bertone is the Vatican’s Secretary of State—the number two to Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI—took control of the Apostolic Palace, until a new pope was elected. Peter Bertone was born in Rome. He wire tapped the Vatican while he was the man in charge, and he was preferred by Pope Benedict to be the next Pope.

Read below, Assissi mentioned the future pope would NOT be valid, and Bergoglio chose Assissi’s name…

Prophecy of St. Francis of Assisi (d. 1226): “There will be an uncanonically elected Pope who will cause a great schism, there will be diverse thoughts preached which will cause many, even those in the different orders to doubt, yea, even agree with those heretics which will cause my Order to divide, then will there be such universal dissensions and persecutions that if those days were not shortened even the elect would be lost.” (Rev. Culleton, The Reign of Antichrist, Tan Books, 1974, p. 130.). Some believe this prophecy could refer to the next and last pope (Peter the Roman).

John Paul II said he saw the ongoing defection John Paul II also believed in the second prophecy of Fatima about the Apostasy coming in the Catholic Church. It is noteworthy that John Paul II appointed 185 of the Cardinals who elected Benedict XVI. It may be that John Paul II took steps to ensure a conservative pope followed him.

Enough already! Pope Francis is not Peter the Roman! Cardinal Bertone was supposed to fulfill the prophecy, but he didn’t get picked! The procecy has been averted and we have all been given a reprieve. Enjoy the reprieve while it lasts.

The term “Peter the Roman” refers to Peter as founder of the Roman Catholic Church, the reference is to the position of Pope (Chair of St Peter), not to the individual. The descriptor of the individual is that he will oversee the church through many tribulations. In other words, this new guy has his work cut out for him. The terrible judges do not mean evil but harsh and the Catholic hierarchy will be on trial for many things., including but not limited to pedophilia. The Catholic has been above the law for so long and now the world will Judge it.

St Francis himself also left a prophecy,
“There will be an uncanonically elected pope who will cause a great schism, there will be diverse thoughts preached which will cause many, even those in the different orders to doubt, yea, even agree with those heretics which will cause my Order to divide, then will there be such universal dissensions and persecutions that if those days were not shortened even the elect would be lost.” The Fransciscans considered that Boniface VIII was uncanonically elected as Pope Celestine had abdicated. Now we have the same situation again. hmmmmm.

Malachy’s Prophecy was CORRECT concerning the 112th, Pope Francis, as being the FALSE PROPHET spoken of in the Bible–i.e. the ANTICHRIST’s right-hand man, the WHORE who rides the Beast.
The Antichrist will be a SECULAR politician — the Dictator ruling over the entire NEW WORLD ORDER — who uses the Papal Throne to control the world’s 1.2 billion Catholics.
The Book of Revelation states that this Antichrist character at some point receives a MORTAL WOUND TO THE HEAD. Apparently being dead for (what? 3 days maybe) then is miraculously RESURRECTED on the 3rd day, and makes a claim to be God returned to earth to rule it.
At this point he will RENAME Pope Francis — as Jesus did Peter — giving him a NEW name, Surname, and TItle:

PONTIFEX MAXIMUS “PETER THE GREAT!”

This Pope will make an IMAGE of the Antichrist, what is known in the Bible as the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION (Revelation 13:11-18).
In the end, at Christ’s coming, both the Antichrist and this Final Pope will be cast ALIVE into the Lake of Fire outside Jerusalem — the Valley of Ben-Hinnom (Gehenna, Tophet). (Revelation 19:11-21)

Falling away (requires apostate pope as the false prophet)
Replacing of true worship in the biblical Christ by a false system of worship such as the interfaith ecumenical movement.
Then bring the devil comes as the second coming of messiah.

Mystery babylonian religious system needs a Babylonian king and he will be satan incarnate.

Jesus Christ warns us that he will not come back in time based earthly realm and will only come as a angelic light at the End of Age after 99.9% of humanity have died, the earth represents an open graveyard and a total wreck and those living will be barely living on a dead eartg and wished they died earlier.

Now Jesus warns if there are any manifestations of messiah in earthly time based realm then that is the devil pretending to be Christ.

Having said all this SECOND COMING DOCTRINE is a doctrine that prepares Christians to worship the devil as the abomination that maketh desolate.

Since ecumenical movement brings Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindues, Budhists, snake worshippers, and atheists together in a Babylonian apostate Jezebel religious system then rest assure that they are preparing the way for then devil to be incarnated in the physical realm for everyone to worship.

Malachy’s prophecy of Peter the Roman is referring to Elijah who will oppose the bastions of evil in preparing the bride of Christ for the final role of martyredom and meeting of the bride groom the Christ in heavenly New Jerusalem.

This is Elijah who as in Malachi 4:6 will feed the flock before the great and terrible day of The Lord when cosmic events destroy the planet beyond recognition.

Joel 2:1-12 is a depiction of the Elijah (He is strong that executeth God’s Word) standing on the mountain of God on the ast inhabitant place on earth whilst the devil and his Gog and Magog armies are gathered in the final battle of good versus evil.

Therefore Peter the roman is not connected to the papacy at all as the popes stop at 111 and it is only a presumption that this current pope is the 112 pope. Because the prophecy ends at 111 popes then this pope in office according to another catholic prophecy is an antipope and his election is VIOD.

Why?

Because you cannot have two popes living and the last cannot reign until he dies. Thefore the one in office is no pope.

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Last year I posted my opinion that Pope Francis was not Peter the Roman of Malachy’s prophecies and that Cardinal Bertone was supposed to have been Petrus Romanus but wasn’t chosen, and that we have been given a reprieve. Since then my post has been ignored and you continue trying to make Francis fit the prophecy. If you wish to keep trying to force a square peg fit into a round hole, go ahead.

Last year, I posted my opinion that Pope Francis wasn’t Peter the Roman of Malachy’s prophecies, that Cardinal Bertone was the one who was supposed to fulfill the prophecy of Petrus Romanus, but he wasn’t chosen. I said that we have been given a reprieve, but no one has listened, and continue going through contortions to make him fit. If you want to keep trying to force a square peg into a round hole, go ahead, but I have better things to do.