Grover Norquist Endorses Condi Rice for Veep

No speaker goes to conservative activist Grover Norquist's Wednesday breakfast meeting without a purpose. And so it was with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice two weeks ago when she convinced a rapt audience -- without even raising the possibility -- that she should be the next vice president.

Is Condoleeezza Rice pondering a campaign to be John McCain's runningmate? (Reuters file photo)

"If her goal was to convince everyone she would be a good president and, therefore, a good vice president -- she hit it out of the ballpark," Norquist tells The Sleuth.

Personally, Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform, believes Condi "would be a great president." And, yes, a "great vice president."

Was Dan Senor, the former Bush administration spokesman in Iraq, accurate when he said on ABC's "This Week" that Rice was "actively" lobbying at the March 26 Wednesday meeting to be presumptive GOP presidential nominee John McCain's running mate?

"Is she campaigning for it? I don't know," Norquist told us. "But if she is, she's doing it the right way."

It was Rice's first appearance ever before the influential huddle of Washington conservatives, thus it was the first time many right-leaning thinkers around town had had a chance to hear from her firsthand; usually, she sends a deputy from the State Department to talk to the gathering, as other Cabinet secretaries do.

But this time, Rice wanted to address the group of activists and writers personally. And Norquist, who hosts the meetings, says many attendees "left the room saying, 'This is a woman who could be president.'"

Senor, who lit the Condi wildfire with his comment to "This Week" host George Stephanopoulos, was not at the meeting, though he heard from plenty in the room that they felt Secretary of Rice was pushing much more than just the Bush administration's foreign policy agenda.

Senor laughed when we asked if he expected to spark such a news explosion when he said Rice was "actively, actually in recent weeks, campaigning" for the job. Was he floating the idea on behalf of Norquist and others, we wondered?

No, Senor says. "When I said it, I didn't even think it was such a big deal," he said. Senor says when he walked out of the ABC News studio, he went to the airport to hop a flight to Minneapolis. When he landed, he said his Blackberry was "like exploding with messages, it was unbelievable, scores and scores of messages had come through."

"About half of those e-mails were from people saying, 'Is it true? How can I help? Where can I sign up? Like I'm the call center for the Draft Condi Movement!" Senor told The Sleuth by telephone late Monday night.

For the record, Senor is a card-carrying member of the draft Condi movement. "I think she'd be a great vice president," he said.

Rice's spokesman on Monday pooh-poohed the idea of his boss running for vice president. But asked about the Condi for Veep craze today, Rice herself said: "Let me just say, first of all, that Senator McCain is an extraordinary American, a really outstanding leader, and obviously a great patriot. That said, I'm going back to Stanford or back to California, west of the Mississippi. I very much look forward to watching this campaign and voting as a voter."

And that's the same answer she gave when asked flatly at the Wednesday meeting two weeks ago if she would be interested in being vice president.

Rice said she was going back to Stanford but that she would some day like to be commissioner of the National Football League.

Rice, according to Norquist, talked about growing up in Birmingham and going shopping at "the equivalent of a mall" with her mother.

One woman at the meeting said to Rice, "Thank you for making it OK for me to wear boots." (Rice didn't wear boots to the Wednesday meeting, according to a not-so-fashionista source; she wore a green skirt suit with heels.)

If the meeting was a screen test for vice president, Rice did well on issues beyond fashion that are even more dear to conservatives.

Norquist, whose latest conservative tome is titled "Leave Us Alone: Getting the Government's Hands Off Our Money, Our Guns, Our Lives", says Rice is "very, very good on the Second Amendment." And guns, he points out, right up there with tax cuts, is a "key issue" with the intellectual conservative set that frequents his Wednesday meetings.

And even though Rice is known for her foreign policy acumen, not her economic policies, Norquist says he's comfortable with her because, heck, "she's from Stanford and hangs out with all those [economics] guys."

It sounds like Rice got a free pass on social issues, where she could face serious obstacles if she were to join McCain on the GOP ticket. (Rice has described herself as "mildly pro-choice.") But Norquist said Rice wasn't hounded on that issue.

On april 8, 2004, then National Security Advisor Condoleeza Rice testified before the 9/11 Commission that there was "nothing that suggested there was going to be a threat to the United States" in the presidential Daily Briefing Document on August 6, 2001. However, Rice proceeded to admit that the title of the document was " Bin Laden Determined yo Attack Inside the United States" Is this the kind of person you want to be vice president? Maybe we could avoided 9/11 if we had an intelligent Security Advisor

"For the next 10 years in the House and Senate, we're looking at Republican control." -Grover Norquist, 2003

"Declining union membership, a shrinking government work force, the dying of the Great Depression generation, the shrinking of America's urban population, and the rise of a large new investor class all bode well for the Republican majority." -Grover Norquist, 1999

"[Republicans are] about to secure majority status for a generation" -Grover Norquist, just before the 1998 election

"The long-predicted partisan realignment has finally come to pass." -Grover Norquist, just after the 1994 election

"I think the revolution is happening. It's going to stick. I don't see what could happen to move it back." -Grover Norquist, 1985

What is it about being consistently wrong (I'm thinking Bill Kristol here too) that attracts the media to idiot conservative pundits? What use is it to consult "experts" if those experts are incompetent? Is it just a professional game of name-dropping, or has American journalism really sunk lower than a high school newspaper?

You're joking, right? Even McCain must be able to see what an empty suit is the cipher that is Condoleeza Rice. If you want a true nobody as second in command, then she is your woman. She is probably one of the least skilled diplomats we've had as national security adviser or secretary of state - easily bent to the will of the strong men around her. It is pathetic to see her trying to assert herself in the supposed Middle East Peace Plan.

As a Democrat, I can only pray that she is selected - to help cement the McCain campaign to the incompetent failures of the Bush Administration's foreign policy.

Rice is probably the worst Secretary of State in the History of the country. Her only saving grace is her bosses were worse. Perhaps that is her only excuse. I hope we send her back to some think tank to ponder her utter failure to make peace or improve the power and image of the US anywhere in the world.

Awesome. So, if she is McCain's choice we could have a president who doesn't know Al Qaida from the Shiite extremists, and a vice president who knowingly lied to us about the aluminum tubes, helping grease the skids for the worst American foreign policy debacle since Vietnam.

Make you want to ask: how many more "foreign policy experts" can the GOP ticket stand?

These are the best candidates that the Republicans and Democrats have to offer. Instead of voting for the best quality we end up voting for the lessor of two evils.
I can not believe that the Republicans have no minorities or women candidates running for president. Look at what they got Alan Keyes , Ken Blackwell and Condi Rice and a few hispanics and asians. McCain is to old. Wait until the press starts looking in Ms. Rice personal life. The Democrat candidates always seem to have baggage. I am voting for Obama because I think he does have potential. I don't care about his pastor sermon. He was probably asleep when the guy was talking. I can't wait to see who Obama's running mate is. i think there is a good chance it will be a woman senator other than Hillary.

"Meanwhile, the Clintons also made liberal use of the charitable deduction, claiming $10.2 million in charitable giving over the eight years. Intriguingly, nearly all the donations went to the Clinton Family Foundation, which has disbursed only half the money."

Nice how Condi left the door open. I've never seen a more elegantly put non-denial denial in my life.

Right now, McCain's starting to look at al that the Party has to offer, given our hideous recruiting since Newt left town. I mean, there's Crist and Bobby Jindal, but they just took office and are better where they are. People are high on Tim Pawlenty, but there's that bridge thing. One of those guys will be President someday. A new guy that has to be rolled out begs for Dan Quayle disease.

If the Suits don't force McCain to pick Mitt Romney, then McCain will take the flight to quality and end up with the Princess, as Grover fortold.

It's not like McCain will pick Jeb Bush, even though it would be nice to see him tell the Democrats where to go stick it.

You quoted me when saying the following:
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"One poster here actually said "Condi's role in, and support of, the Bush administration ruins her credibility for any future role in american polictics."

Are you serious? Credibility? Bill and Hillary Clinton have been caught blatantly lying so many times that it's become expected of them! "
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Since this story was about Condi, I was speaking to her credibility (or total lack of it).

I agree that the Clinton also have no credibility and also have no place in american politics, just like Condi Rice.

Maybe Condi Rice and the Clintons can form their own new "Misspoken" party - most likely they would get the most lobbyist support! Unfortunatly, if they did, their wouldn't be much need for the Republicans anymore.

In addition to providing ammunition to the Democrats, I have to think that nominating Rice for VP would alienate some of McCain's conservative constituents. She did smile glowingly as she presided over the swearing-in of one of her senior deputies who is gay and whose same-sex partner was in attendance. Also, although there is nothing official, the rumor is that she is pro choice on abortion. Not exactly the kind of candidate who wil turn out the conservative base that McCain will certainly need in November.

Condi Rice is yet another of the Bush family's absurd affirmative-action appointments. She is probably the most incompetent national security advisor and Secretary of State in our lifetimes. The idea of her as VP - a heartbeat away from the Oval Office - is insane.

""Meanwhile, the Clintons also made liberal use of the charitable deduction, claiming $10.2 million in charitable giving over the eight years. Intriguingly, nearly all the donations went to the Clinton Family Foundation, which has disbursed only half the money."

WHY HAS THE PRESS IGNORED THIS???????????"

I heard about this via the "Press", so not sure what you mean. Do you mean they should get credit for how much more their foundation gives out per year than the average?

Even though the Clinton have done good things with the foundation, I still support Obama in 08 - he will do better!

The blogosphere has been buzzing since Dan Senor was on ABC This Week and I am very grateful that he made the suggestion for Condi Rice to be selected as McCain's VP.

Now it is just disgusting to read bigoted comments from the liberals and Democrats who do not like Condi and are making outrageous comments. Here we are, right after Martin Luther King Day, and few people understand that Condi is the FIRST and ONLY woman who has served as Sec of State and became 4th in line to the succession as president. Long before Pelosi, it was Condi Rice who could step into the Oval Office and become president.

McCain is a warrior, and Condi Rice brings a complete balance to the ticket as VP. She brings southern states and California, she brings the NRA since she is a supporter of the 2nd Amendment, and she brings African-Americans who believe that education and hard work prepared Condi for her position in life today. McCain said she is a role model, and that is true.

McCain is lucky to have Grover Norquist sending a message that Condi Rice would be a great VP and a good president too.

As I read these comments, I cannot but feel disgusted by the spew uttered from some of you.

When did having some respect for individuals holding high office and serving the U.S. completely fall by the waistside? While I may be biased as a Conservative and a Republican, I still respect those who I disagree with and thank them for their service.

Regardless of what party you side with, I hope one thing can be agreed upon and that is this vitriolic atmosphere needs to end. If you disagree, then argue your case with facts not your uninformed opinion.

You set a terrible example for the youth of America, which are becoming more crazed by the minute.

The next time you think about debasing someone's service to his or her country, stop for a minute and think about the last time you did something that wasn't for yourself?

I agree that bigoted comments aren't necessary, Crystal. Rice's race hasn't been an issue in her performance. And I'm sure she's not stupid. But she is not competent in her position. Our foreign policy is a shambles. She flies around the world meeting with heads of state but she apparently has zero influence with any of them.

Still, please keep promoting her. We Dems would love to see her on the GOP ticket.

Madeleine Korbel Albright was nominated by President Clinton on December 5, 1996 as Secretary of State. After being unanimously confirmed by the U.S. Senate, she was sworn in as the 64th Secretary of State on January 23, 1997. Secretary Albright is the first female secretary of state and the highest ranking woman in the history of the U.S. government.

I didn't remember that Albright had served in the Clinton cabinet. Thanks for that info. Given that her tenure was one of peace and strong relations with our allies, her competency is a stark contrast to Rice. So: "Rice for VP! Shock and awe!"

When the Clintons released their tax returns last Friday, it seemed as though they were getting a lot of credit for their "charitable contributions." But I do not believe $20+ Million to your own family foundation is particularly charitable. There is no oversight. Its like giving $ to yourself. I should have been clearer.

Condi Rice's performances as NSA and Secy of State were so poor, and her promotion of the Iraq War was so avid, she would alienate the moderate voters McCain must have to win.
She will be identified with the "mushroom cloud" threat promoted by the administration, leading us into a war which 80% of the American people now consider a mistake.

McCain has enough trouble with his own promotion of the war without underlining it with Condi
Rice as his VP.

Lots of wealthy people have foundations -- both Laura Bush and Barbara Bush, for example. The rules and oversight are the same for everyone. Nothing special or suspicious about the Clintons having one.

Condi is one of the worst political figures out there. She virtually supports every dictatorship and terrorist country in the word. She ridicules the protests against Chinese tyranny, she supports the terrorist Palestinians in the Mideast, and is leaning on Israel to make concessions that will further jeopardize its security; she was thrilled by the NY Philharmonic's shameful concert in North Korea. Although I would never vote for a Democrat, I will write in Tom Tancredo if Rice is on the Republican ticket.

Condi Rice is an ideal candidate for VP of the US. It is utterly amazing to read the bias and even venom of those on the left who want to blame her for 9/11 and all the ills of the world. She has been the hardest-working, Sec. of State of modern US history and is planting seeds for permanent solutions, not just looking for quick answers that lead to an easy headline. Her "transformational diplomacy" speech is a brilliant enunciation of American policy ideals. Her personal story and inspiring. When I taught junior high and middle school math, I required my students--majority and minority alike--to strive to do and be their very best. Condi is just the kind of role model young people need to do their very best,to overcome obstacles, to achieve their dreams. Any "baggage" she carries by being tied to Bush can be overcome--despite the liberal media and the attacks from the left--by going directly to Americans.I think she is the best condi-date for VP that McCain could pick!

Everyone keeps saying Condi is too linked with Bush's foreign policy, but McCain has already embraced that, so clearly that wouldn't be as much of a detriment to him as everyone makes it out to be. And Condi must have a lot going for her outside of the realm of foreign policy for her to win over Norquist so fully. And I notice everyone drops these little hints about her sexuality... would it really be such a bad thing if she were a lesbian, even openly? It would turn off a lot of conservative voters, maybe, but it would certainly be a huge step forward for gays. And Republicans would definitely make history then: first black, first woman, first out-of-the-closet homosexual running for VP.

Condoleezza Rice, George Bush and Dick Cheney are either all-out traitors or absolute incompetents. Take your pick. They WERE WARNED REPEATEDLY IN 2001 THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A HUGE TERRORIST ATTACK ON AMERICA, and that IT WOULD BE ON AMERICAN SOIL. That Spring and Summer Russian Intelligence, Philippines Intelligence, French Intelligence all alerted Bush and Condoleezza to this danger. And FBI agents in Phoenix notified FBI HQ of the danger from large NUMBERS OF MUSLIM MALES TAKING FLYING LESSONS IN ARIZONA. The nation was put on a public national hijacking alert in late June 2001, told to watch for suspicious Muslim male passengers. On 8-06-01 Bush was warned that Osama wanted to attack NY City and Washington DC.
Condoleezza also knew all of this. She and Bush let the attacks happen. It is sickening that anyone would want to again place Condoleezza Rice in a position where she could again harm the United States of America.

Wow! Seems the libs are peeing in their pants at the thought of a truly talented and accomplished woman of color being the Republican Party's nominee as Vice President given the slime they instantly hurl at this suggestion. The reason? Condi's experience dwarfs Obama's and Mrs. Clinton's. Condi's intellect puts a lie to Mrs. Clinton's claim to be 'the smartest woman in America'. Condi's the real deal, not some half breed raised by white grandparents trying to be black. Condi's life story stands in sharp contrast to the priviledged upbringing of both Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton. The granddaughter of an Alabama sharecropper, who through hard work and sacrifice has risen to the highest levels both in government and the academic world. She would be the Democrats worse nightmare as McCain's running mate.

It seems to me that the rhetoric about our President and his incompetance..etc comes from the left. Many of those people may well have been met in the courtyard or on the Via Delarosa; if you get my meaning. A certain Jewish carpenter; who by the way did proclaim that (not just Americans) but ALL men deserve freedom by the power of "love" for one another; was often considered unbalanced. We may not live, (depending on our age) to see the honor bestowed on George W. Bush, but we can rest assured that this is a man of honor, who has shown a great deal more "guts" in standing for what he believes is RIGHT, is likely to wind up among the most revered of the U.S Presidents one day.

Secretary Rice is one of the smartest and most successful secretaries of state ever. She has drafted excellent policy outlines, the greatest highlight being the transformed US policy towards India, in effect the Nuclear Cooperation Deal.

Unfortunately, Senator McCain will not be able to select her b/c she is "mildly pro-choice" as he will need to select a solid conservative to keep the base unified. He himself, rightly or wrongly is viewed as the "maverick" that can reach out to independents. He is a moderate like President Bush. So he needs a Cheney-type.

Former OMB Director & U.S. Trade Rep. Robert Portman will be the ideal choice. He has worked for the administration so there willbe some feel of continuity; he has a solid conservative record and on a personal level, is very impressive professionally and in family-life. He was a well-respected Congressman from Ohio.

We would automatically be against Condi Rice as a candidate. As reported in multiple sources, as well as at least two live interviews since she became Sec. of State and one live interview when she was at Stanford, she was asked about a particular decision (one was about the Iraq war) and whether she looked back to evaluate whether the decision was correct. In all three cases I saw, she flatly stated she saw no reason to second guess and decision and saw no merit in reviewing the past. This very narrow rigid view that fails to look back and see if things could be done better is not what we want to see in our elected officials. Those who fail to understand the past are doomed to repeat it.

We would automatically be against Condi Rice as a candidate. As reported in multiple sources, as well as at least two live interviews since she became Sec. of State and one live interview when she was at Stanford, she was asked about a particular decision (one was about the Iraq war) and whether she looked back to evaluate whether the decision was correct. In all three cases I saw, she flatly stated she saw no reason to second guess and decision and saw no merit in reviewing the past. This very narrow rigid view that fails to look back and see if things could be done better is not what we want to see in our elected officials. Those who fail to understand the past are doomed to repeat it.

It will GUARANTEE an Obama victory in November. McCain is so out of touch with reality that he would consider putting a woman who is pro-choice and a minority on the ticket of the whitest and most racially divisive political party in the world today. Southern traditional conservatives (I call 'em good 'ol boys) will just love that.

THe whole Bush/McCain/Rice/Cheney thing needs to be washed away from memory for awhile. Maybe McCain can teach us how to erase the memories of the last seven years permanently from our minds...

As for Grover Norquist, I am sorry that you are so inadequate in your manhood and you got picked on for having a Sesame Street name, and now you have money and have to take it out on all of us. I think Mr. Norquist, Larry Craig, fmr. Rep. Foley, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity should all buy an island and live there together and make nice with each other and stop spreading your propaganda feces all over our airwaves.

2008 is the year the conservative movement dies. It won't be enough just to win. The GOP deserves to be kicked repeatedly while they are down. It is open season on Republicans. Saddle up!

Dude, you need to get back on your meds. "Half-breed" Obama? What the hell is wrong with you? Did you wake up in the antebellum South this morning?
And Rice's parents were sharecroppers? Uh, Rev. Rice was a church minister, as was Rice's grandfather, while Condi's mom was a music teacher (where do you think Mom found the name 'Condoleeza' -- in the phone book?)
If you insist on being a complete idiot, go post on Free Republic -- you'll have plenty of company over there.

Albright was never in the line of president succession, she was not born in the USA. So that makes Condi Rice the highest ranking woman for succession, (until Pelosi became Speaker).

Peace under the Clinton term? I guess the Democrats forgot all of the military and state department members killed during embassy bombings in 1998? How many Navy members died during the USS Cole attack in Yemen? That is hardly peace.

I Put this question out there for the record. Is Condi Rice a lesbian? If this is speculation then she will not get the GOP nod. If she is, then she will not get the GOP nod. Rice will have to find a male mate and live a lie to even be considered on a GOP ticket. Let's face facts, the GOP is run by gay hating bigots.

Norquist likes Rice because she meets his #1 criterion: She's never actually been involved in domestic governance. Those that have been involved in making actually domestic policy tradeoffs (Huckabee, McCain, Pawlenty, etc.) can't live up this tax-cuts-at-all-costs standard.

"One of my heroes growing up was my paternal grandfather. Granddaddy Rice was a poor farmer's son in Ewtah -- that's E-w-t-a-h -- in Alabama. One day, he decided he needed to get book-learning. And so he asked, in the language of the day, where a colored man could go to school. They said a little Presbyterian school, about 50 miles away, named Stillman College, might be the place.

So he saved up his cotton to pay for his first year's tuition and he took off for Tuscaloosa. After the first year, he ran out of cotton and he needed a way to pay his tuition. My grandfather asked the school administrators how those other boys were staying in school, and he was told that they had what was called a scholarship. And if he wanted to be a Presbyterian minister, then he could have a scholarship too. My grandfather said, "You know, that's exactly what I had in mind." And my family has been Presbyterian and college educated ever since."

'Saved up his cotton', 'ran out of cotton'. Hmmm, sounds like he was a sharecropper before he became a minister. By the way, Condi is descended from slaves on both sides of her family.

"The fact is that our Founding Fathers, trying to create a perfect union of 'We the People,' couldn't quite find a way to deal with slavery. So instead, they left my ancestors to be three-fifths of a man. But some hundred plus years later, I stand before you as a descendant of those people who were three-fifths of a man and I ask, 'Would anybody have thought it possible?' "

So unlike your half breed (or perhaps you prefer the term Mulatto?) Condi is the real deal, someone who truly had to deal with racism.

"Growing up in Birmingham, Alabama, I saw the "home-grown terrorism" of that era. The 1963 bombing of the 16th Street Baptist Church was meant to suck hope out of the future by showing that hope could be killed -- child by child. My neighborhood friend, Denise McNair, was killed in that bombing, and though I didn't see it, I heard it a few blocks away. And it is a sound that I can still hear today.

Those memories of the Birmingham bombings have flooded back to me since Sept. 11. And, as I watched the conviction of the last conspirator in the church bombing last month, I realized now that it is an experience that I have overcome but will never forget."

But we know why you side fears Condi and will do anything to see that she remains on the sidelines.

"The first Republican that I knew was my father John Rice. And he is still the Republican that I admire most. My father joined our party because the Democrats in Jim Crow Alabama of 1952 would not register him to vote. The Republicans did.

I want you to know--I want you to know that my father has never forgotten that day, and neither have I.

I joined the party for different reasons. I found a party that sees me as an individual, not as part of a group."

Let see Grover Norquist, 1 part of axis of evil of running buddies Jack Abramoff and Ralph Reed. Jack convicted of buying senators, Ralph "I did not know it was Indian gambling money, Grover money laundering for Abramoff and Reed. Grover in White House with Abramoff and Reed, writing tax laws for corporations. Now this group with other axis of evil, Bush Chaney Rumsfield or Chaney Scooter Brimer, or Scandlon Norton Wolfowitz, Sorry I am confused, to many Axis of Evil in Washingot to keep up with. So Norquist has meetings and people really believe he has their interest at heart? Must be republicans, don't you think?

Whomever McCains VP choice is, the will be the winner if the Obama/Clinton debacle doesn't end soon. The republicans can't stand Hillary or Obama, half the democrats can't stand Hillary, and half the democrats can't stand Obama. That leaves a lot of democrats staying home during the general election, and the republicans laughing all the way to the White House. (Again).

Condi Rice as VP ????? She is perfect for the position. She accomplished nothing as the Bush's security advisor and less than nothing as his Sec of State. The experience of nothing accomplished has well prepared her for doing nothing as VP.
Of course, perhaps it will be difficult to function from her jail cell after she is indicted with her merry band for all her offences during the Bush years.
On the other hand perhaps she should be considered for president as a follow-on for Bush. She can repeat her post-9/11 comment that how could she be expected to know that someone would fly a plane into the WTC. Obviously her Phd didn't include doing her homework by paying attention to info she was given.
Yep, that's what we need, another 8 yrs of Bush! I think we deserve the tree!

Who the hell is Grover Norquist. He was in college with Jack Abramoff & has the agenda as Jack. Make money & do not pay taxes. He had Republican Cong.& Senators sign a weekly meeting sigh a statement not to raise taxes. Who the hell gave him the authority to do this. These were the elected officials who were elected by the public to serve their state to thebest of their ability.He should be in jail with Jack as he took money for his grout . Cheney an d other high officials were there every week. He married an arab & this may be harmlessbut much of his money is comming from the middle east. He doesnot Like Mckain but he is stuck with him. Keep investigating him & send him to Jail, with his buddy.

To seriously consider a criminal for VP spot is indicative of how far we have fallen. Criminal? Yes! This woman helped engineer the torture used around the world by US personnel relying on a legal opinion designed to circumvent US and international law. From Rice to Wood to Claus and ultimately the death of an Afghani taxi driver whose only "crime" seems to have been falling into the hands of an "angry and frustrated" interrorgator named Joshua Claus (among others that formed a torture team of interrorgators at Baghram AFB in Afghanistan).

For your benefit I'll tell you that according to doctors that examined the victim the victim suffered injuries consistent with being "hit by a bus". Took four days for Dilawar to die.

And Dr. Rice is seriously considered to be worthy of the second-highest office in a once great nation? She should be seriously considered for a trial at the Hague along side her co-conspirators.