KT – I’m going to write an article on the fascinating revolution brewing inside the Dem party, different than the open revolution in the GOP. It’s very much a revolution though, a yearning for even greater change. Not to say that Obama hasn’t made huge Progressive change, he has and I do disagree with Bernie on hammering that as hard as he has. But It’s younger Dems wanting more and older Dems wanting incremental improvements.

AdLib7 days ago

Ad, ANY increment right now in either Party would be revolutionary. such inertia is unacceptable

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

Still, I saw a focus group on MSNBC that watched the debate and very interesting results. 24 – 9 said Bernie won but 24 – 9 thought Hillary would be the stronger President.

AdLib7 days ago

Hey glenn!

AdLib7 days ago

hey glenn.

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

BRB

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

another, and the first? Lennon changed a bit of the lyrics after it was first released. He was talking about being counted out of a violent revolution, then, coyly and almost imperceptibly saying yes I’m in. Very sly, like Dr. Winston O Boogie could be.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

Good evening, all. How is everyone?

glenn

7 days ago

The Dem Establishment is coming down strongly on Bernie, I think that’s going to backfire. The more Bernie looks like he’s being attacked by the Establishment and they are trying to press Hillary into the nom, the stronger the youth vote will rally behind him as well as the more Progressive Dems.

AdLib7 days ago

Doing well glenn! And you?

AdLib7 days ago

KT – Hence the ambivilent version of Revolution where he says “You can count me out…in.”

AdLib7 days ago

I wouldn’t say, huge, Ad. I would say, incremental. Huge would be single payer and peace in the middle east.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

PPO – It’s all relative. Many dems would see incremental change as a big deal but it seems that younger Progressives want bigger changes sooner. Not odd for youth.

AdLib7 days ago

exactly Ad. Those were the days, though. Lennon, for a time, was influenced by the Yippies, like Abby Hoffman, and Elderdge Cleaver…

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

Well, the reality of our system only allows for incremental change. No great social or political (same thing these days) has ever achieved, leaps and bounds.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

KT – There are times when it seems that only physical revolution can change things, as during the Arab Spring but it need not be violent.

AdLib7 days ago

KT – Generally, that’s true. But when Bush had a Repub Congress, he did make radical changes.

AdLib7 days ago

Ad–Doing well, too. You know, you were talking above about incremental change vs. a revolution. Still haven’t made up my mind on that, but I was thinking about what a principal told us once when we, as a faculty, were meeting to determine what our goals for the school would be that year. When we had put up a few, one of the teachers said, “But we’ll never make those goals.” And the principal answered, “We may not make them, but we need to set our goals much higher than what we think we can attain. That way, we won’t become complacent.” Once again, that can be parsed many ways; but I think it definitely defines what is going on in the Dem party nowadays. There is nothing wrong with setting the bar high, but there is also a difference between challenge and frustration. That seems to me to be where we are now.

glenn

7 days ago

hey guys!

Harleigh

7 days ago

What else is meant by “phyiscal revolution? I do not advocate violence to bring about social change. It never works. It only brings about a new dictator, same as the old.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

If Bernie had a Progressive Congress, there could be huge change. Look at Obama with a Dem Congress, he passed the ACA which is huge change for the better.

AdLib7 days ago

Harleigh! How have you been, you reprobate? I thought you got swallowed by a Florida sink hole!

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

Hey Harleigh.

glenn

7 days ago

been working 6 – 7 days. LOL

Harleigh

7 days ago

Ad I caution against hypotheticals.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

Ah, so you haven’t been swallowed by a sink hole! That’s good to know!

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

KT – The Arab Spring was a physical revolution but it wasn’t violent on their part. They went into the streets and acted physically on insisting on change. The goovernment was vioolent but they used their physical protest as a revolution and won…temporarily unfortunately. My point is, we can’t necessarily get substantial change as urgently as it’s needed if we don’t physically protest and pressure government in that way.

AdLib7 days ago

Semantics Ad.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

Hey, fellow Planeteers! Just here for a minute. I seem to have the same cold that Bernie was battling in the debate last night. If he felt the way I do, I have to hand it to him for coming up with the “Henry Kissinger is no friend of mine” line!

kesmarn

7 days ago

Harleigh! Great to see ya!

AdLib7 days ago

Hey Kes. Sorry to hear you’re under the weather.

glenn

7 days ago

Hey Homie. Always glad to “see,” you.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

Hey Kes! No fair, you’re not allowed too get sick, it’s part of your PlanetPOV contract!

AdLib7 days ago

to

AdLib7 days ago

Uh-oh… so no rides on the corporate jet until I’m no longer contagious??

kesmarn

7 days ago

Kes, I hope you feel better soon. Nothing really serious, I hope.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

God, we’re all falling to bits, aren’t we!

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

Kes – You have to wear a space helmet if you do.

AdLib7 days ago

No, Homie! Just one of those coughs that won’t leave you alone.

kesmarn

7 days ago

NO jetting for YOU young lady!! LOL

Harleigh

7 days ago

Well, I guess that’s fairly good news. At our age, you never know!

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

Mr. Trump might let me ride on his. As long as I’m not Muslim or Hispanic…

kesmarn

7 days ago

Kes – Yep, holding up a coompliment from Kisinger really made me feel uncomfortable. He’s a war criminal.

Why would anyone admit to ever having known old Dr. Strangelove Kissinger?

kesmarn

7 days ago

True, Ad. Why, oh why did she have to bring that uip?

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

Only as cleaning personnel, glenn…

kesmarn

7 days ago

Kes I hope you got your flu shot. I’m old and I did.

Harleigh

7 days ago

I did, Harleigh. And my pneumonia and boogie-woogie flu one too.

kesmarn

7 days ago

PPO–Hillary was trying establish her “national security creds”, I think. But I do think it’s strange that she brought up Kissinger, especially when she does have some more recent experience. Of course, that brings up BENGHAZI!

glenn

7 days ago

That’s what I don’t understand about Hillary. For such a smart, experienced, and strong person, how can she have never heard of Kissinger being a really bad player on the world stage? It really astounds me.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

Kes–perhaps. Just think of all the incriminating evidence you could find as a cleaning lady!

glenn

7 days ago

I suppose that, like Hitler, he must have had the odd good point

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

Me too but down here people are dying from that shit that didn’t get vaxed. Darwins I think.

Harleigh

7 days ago

Has she never heard of Christopher Hitchens? He wrote a book about what a war criminal Kissinger was. And he backed it up with facts.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

glenn, maybe I could even adjust the landing gear or something…

kesmarn

7 days ago

BRB

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

Kes, engine mounts!

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

Kes–ooohh–you’re getting devious now.

glenn

7 days ago

PPO, just tell me where they are and I’ll “repair” those engine mounts…

kesmarn

7 days ago

Kissinger sucks.

Harleigh

7 days ago

Kes,

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

Kes–silly, the engine mounts are under the engines!

glenn

7 days ago

glenn, er, above on a 757

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

You can tell what a mechanical genius I am, glenn.

kesmarn

7 days ago

PPO–details, details!

glenn

7 days ago

Oh… I feel better now, PPO!

kesmarn

7 days ago

I see that Madeleine Albright apologized for telling all of us women to go to hell.

kesmarn

7 days ago

Hey sabreen, long time no see!

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

Kes–and if the engines did fall off, trump’s plane would probably still fly just from all of his hot air!

glenn

7 days ago

Hello Planeteers. I hope everyone is well.

Sabreen60

7 days ago

I once drove an old Honda Civic (with a busted motor mount) from Ohio to Massachussetts. Of course I didn’t know it, at the time.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

Sabreen!!!!

Harleigh

7 days ago

and so she should, Kes

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

Hey Sabreen! How are you?

glenn

7 days ago

Glenn, he is a human zeppelin…

kesmarn

7 days ago

Hey, Sabreen!

kesmarn

7 days ago

Kes–LOL!

glenn

7 days ago

Hey Lady! How are ya? I have missed you.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

KT–Don’t much about cars (or airplanes), but didn’t that Honda make a lot of noise?

glenn

7 days ago

KT, we drove a Thunderbird to TN and back and about 1 day after we got home one of the wheels fell off!

kesmarn

7 days ago

Kes–Oh my!

glenn

7 days ago

And then, drove it back to Ohio! 900 miles, each way! I guess the angels of my better soul were watching and helping!

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

That made me a theist, glenn! ;-D

kesmarn

7 days ago

LOL kes

Harleigh

7 days ago

Don’t know much….

glenn

7 days ago

I’m well. I’ve missed all of you, too. Busy, busy, busy. I’m working tomorrow so I can’t stay long. It’s these damn holidays. I didn’t realize that there are greeting cards for everything

Sabreen60

7 days ago

How do we think SC will go?

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

Ah, I love it, Homie. We we’re risk takers and heart breakers!

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

I’m afraid that is all too true, Homie. It’s a miracle I’m still alive.

kesmarn

7 days ago

Howdy, back now!

AdLib7 days ago

I feel sorry for the millenials. Too much nanny state in their upbringing!

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

I think probably tRump and HRC

Harleigh

7 days ago

Sabreen, does your work involve greeting cards?

kesmarn

7 days ago

PPO–Trump will win the repubs; with cruz in second (for the evangelicals) and I’m not sure about the Dem side.

glenn

7 days ago

glenn (shudder)!

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

PPO, it looks as though Hillary will take SC, from what I’m reading.

kesmarn

7 days ago

I think she has a substantial lead there. But she did in Iowa too.

kesmarn

7 days ago

PPO–the donald makes me shudder every time I read about him!

glenn

7 days ago

kes, if she doesn’t, how will that go down? will she still have enough superdelegates to make it meaningless?

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

Catching up on earlier comments but I think the reason Hillary mentioned Kissinger’s compliment is because she’s trying to position herself as someone who can negotiate with Repubs. But very bad decision to use him to accomplish that goal.

AdLib7 days ago

kes – I started this part-time job in Nov working for American Greetings. I thought I’d just go into stores and straigthen up the card displays. Wrong. It’s a lot of work. I don’t know how much longer I’m going to do this.

Sabreen60

7 days ago

Hey Sabreen and Murph!

AdLib7 days ago

I’m not too sure, PPO. I’m hearing that super-delegates can change their commitment, but I don’t know for sure.

kesmarn

7 days ago

Hillary is gong to take SC and most likely NV. Bernie’s big lovers are in the Yankee states…I love the Yankee states, btw. My home away from home is Cape Cod. I lived in Boston for a decade.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

Ad, I think she has enough cred in that department without invoking the war criminal. big Mistake IMO

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

i’m a proud Yankee.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

Amazingly, I knew someone who worked for American greeting, Sabreen — quite a while ago — doing the same thing. It was hard work!

I do agree that Hillary will win SC but I think Bernie will be seen as a winner for narrowing her hard-to-maintain huge margin. It’s not really fair, typically all races narrow that have such a huge margin and Bernie is working it hard in SC to beat expectations. I think he will but still loses to Hillary. Then again, it’s after Nevada and if he dooes well there, he could have more momentum in SC. Still, he won’t win there.

AdLib7 days ago

Well, I’m not focusing too well tonight; very tired. Plus, soccer season is on again, and I need to get up early tomorrow, so I’m calling it a night. Hope everyone has a great weekend. Feel better, Kes, and try not to work too hard, Sabreen. Take care, all.

glenn

7 days ago

I really don’t understand the “war monger,” label that Hillary has been saddled with. What war, has she promoted?

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

kes – I wish I had talked to you before I took the job. I like working the hours I want (although AG tells you how many hours you can work at each store) and I like working alone.

Sabreen60

7 days ago

g/night, g. Sleep well

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

G’night, glenn and thanks for the good wishes!

kesmarn

7 days ago

War is one of those words that has no longer a definite description.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

nite glenn

Harleigh

7 days ago

Good night glenn. I hope we can hang longer the next time. Take care.

Sabreen60

7 days ago

Sabreen, I like working independently too, but it seems now they expect three peoples’ work from one employee.

kesmarn

7 days ago

PPO – It’s true, Superdelegates can change their allegience at any time and that happened in 2008 when Obama won the majority of primaries. Hillary was trying to win despite that, using Superdelegates but the defections to obama ended that dangerous conflict.

AdLib7 days ago

Hey glenn, sorry I missed you! Take care and be well.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

So true, kes.

Sabreen60

7 days ago

I’m pretty irked with her for taking the tack of accusing Bernie of working to undermine the President all along.

kesmarn

7 days ago

KT – Hillary has been a war hawk through much of her career, she threatened to bomb Iran even.

AdLib7 days ago

Night Kes, feel better!

AdLib7 days ago

OOps… I think that was glenn who left, AdLib… Although I am fading here…

kesmarn

7 days ago

there hasn’t been a legitimate declaration of war since WWII. We must be really careful of what we call “war.”

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

Kes – It won’t work, in the focus group, they saw right through that untrue claim.

AdLib7 days ago

Oh, glad you’re still here Kes!

AdLib7 days ago

Good to hear that, AdLib!

kesmarn

7 days ago

Some of her ‘tough’ talk has really been kinda weak so she stupidly over did it. LOL

Harleigh

7 days ago

Harleih, please explain.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

She was all about going hawkish in Syria, and yet Kerry seems to have negotiated a cease fire without American troops on the ground.

kesmarn

7 days ago

Kudos to the ladies on PBS for s well-moderated debate. Makes the others look so pathetic and biased

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

Murikkka has not won a war since 1945.

Harleigh

7 days ago

This obviously orchestrated dogpile on Bernie by the Dem Establishment along with Hillary is actually helping Bernie, on fundraising and support. It’s transparent, they can’t beat Bernie by attacking him as an outsider, that’s his appeal.

AdLib7 days ago

Hilllary never suggested sending ground troops into Syria.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

Well folks I’m all end. Take care until the next time.

Sabreen60

7 days ago

We don’t need to “win,” in the sense that war is some sort of game. It’s not.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

All too short, Sabreen. Pity. but good to see you

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

Take care Sabreen. I hope all is well with you and yours.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

It was the no fly zone she was advocating, Homie. You’re right I don’t think she suggested troops.

kesmarn

7 days ago

G’night, Sabreen!

kesmarn

7 days ago

“In” heh gotta go

Sabreen60

7 days ago

Kes – Good point, Hillary wants a no-fly zone and arming more and more groups opposing Assad…but peace and negotiations may win out. She certainly isn’t supportive of Obama’s views on Syria.

AdLib7 days ago

I don’t even think a no fly zone is necessarily a bad thing. Boundries, at times, must be established.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

I like the way Russia is abiding by the Ceasefire, Ad!

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

No– they’ve not agreed on Syria. But when Bernie disagrees, he’s a bad man.

kesmarn

7 days ago

KT – But ISIS doesn’t have an airforce. Who would we shoot down except Russia or their ally, Syria? Then what? WWIII?

AdLib7 days ago

The only thing is, Homie, you have to be prepared to shoot planes down. And then the consequences…

kesmarn

7 days ago

KT after and since Benghazi! she tried to sound tough by sayin stupid shit like bombing some of the countries that repub chickenhawks want to bomb.she of all people should know that we would lose way too much libya, ukraine, iran, N korea. crazy talk.

Harleigh

7 days ago

Anybody who would honestly think Berne is a bad man, is truly delusional.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

Prepared, always. No matter where our intersts may lie. That’s

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

PPO – Putin is a liar and he doesn’t want peace, he wants the Assad armies to win the war but by bringing nations together to get behind a cease fire, Russia is putting more pressure on itself to stop…or maybe face more sanctions?

AdLib7 days ago

I’ve just realized that Bernie can never be POTUS! If he gets elected, what’ll happen to the Christmas trees and Turkeys?

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

Hannuka ham!

Harleigh

7 days ago

Saying, and doing, are not always the same thing. Just consider, for a moment, how our enemies see us. Weak? or Strong?

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

H!!!

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

PPO – You’re right! Then The President will be orchestrating The War on Christmas!

AdLib7 days ago

Is he going to follow through with the infamous Obama war on Christmas?

kesmarn

7 days ago

Jinx!

kesmarn

7 days ago

Santa will have to be careful he avoids those no-fly zones if Hillary’s in…

kesmarn

7 days ago

Well have to wait until August, 2016, for the new war on Christmas. You know it’s coming. Orchestrated by the RW loonies, of course.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

FOX’s annual tradition.

kesmarn

7 days ago

kes, he’ll get an escort of airplpanes that cost $300million each!

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

KT – I don’t buy that line about the US being seen as weak because we didn’t bomb Assad. Russia needs Assad there, it’s their only base in the region, they would have brought their military in anyway.

AdLib7 days ago

From Boeing and Halliburton.

kesmarn

7 days ago

I am so waiting for the last of her emails prove more nothing. LOL

Harleigh

7 days ago

They usually start that bullshit by August.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

The emails are truly a non-issue.

kesmarn

7 days ago

kes…. as is Benghazi and all the other shit they’ve been throwing, but it won’t stop them doing it.

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

Harleigh – Agreed, I don’t believe there is anything negative in Hillary’s emails but it seems like some in the FBI or Pentagon are trying to damage her.

AdLib7 days ago

Ad, would anyone be surprised that the Pentagon doing that?

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

Right, PPO. Now the Clinton Foundation and some of their activities… I’m not so sure that’s all been above reproach.

kesmarn

7 days ago

Ad I didn’t qualify exactly what could be seen as weakness. You could substitute a number of scenariors for such an arument. That fact is, we cannot be seen, by those who are against us, as being weak, soft, complacent, or otherwise.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

Kes it’s one of the staples at the Hill and Newsmax, where I go to let off steam by poking the shit out of teabaggers. LOL

Harleigh

7 days ago

The email thing, Harl? Wow… they need to give it up!

kesmarn

7 days ago

Rubio is still playing his recording about Benghazi. That’s why he claims she’s not eligible to be President. How about having an MP3 player where your brain is supposed to be, Marco? Doesn’t that disqualify you?

AdLib7 days ago

If my neighbor, who is threatening me, sees me as being weak, then he’s liable to do do something that would not turn out good, for either of us.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

RobotRubio is really going to stick with him I’m afraid.

kesmarn

7 days ago

KT, until he tries and finds that there is a mailed fist behind the velvet glove

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

If that neighbor sees me as someone not to be messed with, then it’s very likely that peace will prevail.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

PPO – There should be an investigation into the Pentagon and FBI on this and anyone leaking about the emails should be prosecuted. This is illegal interference with a US election.

AdLib7 days ago

Let me tell you another funny… now they are back with a committee on the IRS yet some more!! LOL

Harleigh

7 days ago

You lost me on that one, PPO.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

Waiting for the investigations on Trump!

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

KT, OK, a fuckiing great sledghammer behind the velvet curtain

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

KT – The question is, is seeking peaceful resolutions what some will claim is showing the US is weak?

AdLib7 days ago

Well, dear Planeteers, I think I may have to call it a day — or a Nyquil — or something. Have a great weekend and stay warm!

kesmarn

7 days ago

there will be no serious investigations, at this point in the election process. That will come for the two who are nominated.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

Thanks for hanging in Kes! Sleep well and dream of Nyquil angels!

AdLib7 days ago

OK, KES, Be well and take care of yourself

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

sure Ad. There will always be assholes like that.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

nite kes

Harleigh

7 days ago

kesmarn

7 days ago

Hilary descibed this perfectly, when talking about negotiating from a position of strength. You have to. Otherwise, what is the point?

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

The world understnads strength. Is that “enlightened?” Of course not. That is just the way the world is. Always has been.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

Harleigh – What a surprise, the Repubs in The House attacking Hillary for Benghazi for years, Planned Parenthood based on bogus videos and now the IRS based on bogus charges of attacking Repub groups. Not one legit investigation over all these years until the Flint hearings began…but have been sabotaged a bit by Repubs whoo wouldn’t call Snyder or the city managers.

AdLib7 days ago

Denying that is like trying to piss up a rope. It doesn’t work.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

KT – How do you negotiate from a position of strength against Russia in Syria?

AdLib7 days ago

Good question al

Harleigh

7 days ago

or china in pacific or NK

Harleigh

7 days ago

Ad, reimpose sanctions on Russia until they pull their heads in, leave Crimea and back off the Ukraine.

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

Don’t forget it was sanctions that brought Iran kicking and screaming to the negotiating table. Sanctions can be an effective weapon. the alternatives are scary.

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

PPO these 2 countries are part of the Iran deal… we gotta be real careful, and they know it.

Harleigh

7 days ago

Hey, long time no see Fergie1!

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

Ad, because we have such destructive military power, and NATO. Is Russia going to go nuclear? Of corse not. They and we have been through that nonsense already.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

PPO – We haven’t removed the sanctions on Russia so they can’t be reimposed.

AdLib7 days ago

Hey Fergie!

AdLib7 days ago

Oh, I stand corrected, Ad. Well, make ’em more stringent, then!

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

well i gotta work tomorrow. later guys.

Harleigh

7 days ago

see ya Harleigh

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

Het Florida, good to see ya again. Don’t be such a stranger, next time!

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

PPO – As with Iran, we can only make sanctions work if we have other nations alongside us. If they won’t agree to greater sanctions, the US can apply sanctions against Russia but they can get around themby simply going to other countries instead.

AdLib7 days ago

LOL, PPO!

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

Wow, only on the net I could type those letters and it would be understood by someone else. Very cool.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

Harleigh left before I could say bye! Bye anyway!

AdLib7 days ago

KT – LOL PPO, RIP GOP.

AdLib7 days ago

Hey Ad! Just tuned in and think I’ll just ‘observe’ at this point! Just catching up!

Fergie1

7 days ago

Totally cool, Fergie!

AdLib7 days ago

Ad.

Fergie1

7 days ago

How do you like Trump promising now to be PC and not swear anymoore because it’s hurting him in the polls?

AdLib7 days ago

America, in combination with a few other nations, has realized that world wars are not any sort of solution to the world’s problems. We will be cursed with little, regional, “conflicts.” As we have been for the last decade or more.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

Ad, I see that lasting as long as it takes someone to call him a loser!

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

Or, mention Megyn Kelly!

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

KT – It will be interesting to see what Climate Change brings aboout, as nations start losing potable water and fertile farmlands. Might an era of nations invading other nations come about?

AdLib7 days ago

fuck Trump. He is in no way, going to rise to the level of a presidential nominee. if he does, he’ll never win a general election. Should we ignore him? Absolutely not, but let’s not give him any more time in the American consciuosness.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

Agreed, PPO. Trump is addicted to profanity, he’ll fall off the wagon any minute!

AdLib7 days ago

Saw Trump on CBS Morning News and he was red faced. Very strange makeup, or Blood pressure!

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

PPO – Viagra overdosing?

AdLib7 days ago

Oh, was that his knob I was looking at? well, that explains everything!

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

Saw it also PPO and thought he was sunburnt! Must say he was very “toned down” in his rhetoric. Interesting?

Fergie1

7 days ago

Fergie – If he wins the GOP nom, Trump will really get burned.

AdLib7 days ago

Nobody, who has the mentality of a Jersey mob boss is going to reside in the white house.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

Fergie, I reckon he was careful with people like Charlie Rose and Gail and Norah. Way too intelligent to put up with shite.

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

KT, Nixon?

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

The last person who had such a mentality was Richard Nixon.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

PPO, WOW! You beat me too it. That’s very, cool.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

In GE, Trump would be slit open and fileted becuase you can’t just debate on Fox then.

AdLib7 days ago

Here’s hoping Ad. Just heard from some of my friends in SF that they are hearing that if Sanders is the Nominee, they would vote for Trump! In my liberal SF? WTF!

Fergie1

7 days ago

Scary thought, Fergie!

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

Oops! Not that my friends would vote for Trump but that they are hearing that other people would!

Fergie1

7 days ago

Fergie – I remember all those types of threats from Hillary PUMAs back in 2008, if Obama won they would vote for McCain. That childish “holding my breath till I turn blue if I don’t get my way” didn’t work out too well.

AdLib7 days ago

Fegie, I utterly despair sometimes about Democrats not being able to combine in a united fashion.

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

I think that Trump is more slippery than many are giving him credit for. Who would have thought that he would get this far?

Fergie1

7 days ago

Fergie – Always remember, Trump has maybe 35% of the GOP, meaning 65% aren’t behind him and the GOP only has about 24% of voters in the nation so he’s only got around 9% of Americans behind him.

AdLib7 days ago

Sound bites, fear mongering and the current mindset of nongs who nedd a text for anything to penetrate for more than 5 seconds.

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

Agree Ad. Similar to: ” if Bernie doesn’t get the Nom, I’m not voting for Hillary.” Makes my blood boil.

Fergie1

7 days ago

Here’s hoping, Ad, that the DNc gets its act together soon. time will fly now till NMovember

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

PPO – But that is a small minority of voters. Keep in mind, Trump polls negative with 40% of Repubs! Much higher with indies so in a real open election, the chickens all come home to roost for him.

AdLib7 days ago

Ad, I’m interested in this figure of 24% GOP voters. I haven’t done my ‘homework’ on those stats. But how in the world does any Repub get elected then?

Fergie1

7 days ago

Fergie, even thoough I support Bernie in the primary, I have no patience for any Bernie supporters who claim they won’t vote for Hillary if she wins. They want Trump instead?

AdLib7 days ago

Ad, yes, but as the field narrows, the sheep who are agin’ him now will follow the bellwether and meekly trot into the slaughterhouse.

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

Indeed PPO. But think of all the Progressive groups that will come out big time against Trump too.

AdLib7 days ago

Oh, let it be so, Ad.

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

Fergie, I think Dems only have about 32% of voters, a near-majority are unaffiliated Indies.

AdLib7 days ago

Well, I have to go do the shopping, so better say cheerio till next time. Nice seeing you again fergie. take care, Ad.

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago

PPO – Some Repubs may but consider why the GOP is so desperate to find a single estab Repub to get behind. They know that Trump and Cruz will spell disaster foor their entire party all up and down the ballot. If they thought Trump being their nom would help their party, they wouldn’t be battling him.

AdLib7 days ago

Seeya PPO!

AdLib7 days ago

Thanks Ad. Got it. Interesting. It was all so different ‘back in the day.’ I’ve kep up as much as poss. but there are gaps! How do you type that fast?! 😆

Fergie1

7 days ago

I was hit by lightning while blogging one day and have the super power of fast typing!

AdLib7 days ago

Bye PPO. What’s for dinner?!

Fergie1

7 days ago

If only I had been running instead!

AdLib7 days ago

Not for office, really running that is.

AdLib7 days ago

Good one Ad! My emojis aren’t working! I understood the running bit!

Fergie1

7 days ago

I knew you did, just joking!

AdLib7 days ago

How are things going politically in your neck of the woods?

AdLib7 days ago

Got that too Ad! Now I’m getting silly. Must be time for me to say adieu!

Fergie1

7 days ago

Sounds good, have a great weekend, Fergie!

AdLib7 days ago

Politically in Australia, it’s boring as all get out. Of course we have a conservative PM who wants to privatize Medicare, who continues to detain boat people on Narau, etc.etc. etc. and who is floating the notion of raising the GST ( VAT) to 15 %. Other than that……..?

Fergie1

7 days ago

Ouch! Does he have much support?

AdLib7 days ago

Not on the raising of the Goods and Services (GST). The 1%ers don’t care of course. There are demonstrations re the boat people but by and large not Yuuuge!

Fergie1

7 days ago

It’s hard to rally huge support for immigrants now thanks to ISIS attacks.

AdLib7 days ago

Ok I really am going to say ‘night, cheerio and take care. Thanks as always for your lovely welcome. Agreed re the difficulty of garnering support a/c ISIS attacks. Still all very inhumane. Night Ad, take care. P.s. There is a great program on here called Planet America. More later.

Fergie1

7 days ago

I like anything with the word Planet in it! Great seeing you! Take care and see you soon!

AdLib7 days ago

What is this process? To an outsider it is insane,surely the American people in numbers will see the light….mmm,maybe not

Beatlex

7 days ago

Hey Beatlex! Have no fear, there’s always been a percentage of Americans who are racists and morons but they are a minority.

AdLib7 days ago

Hi Adlib,good to “see” you! I canna stand no more!

Beatlex

7 days ago

Eat your spinach!

AdLib7 days ago

Skype call! BBS

Beatlex

7 days ago

Ok!

AdLib7 days ago

sorry folks. Did everybody say Bye bye?

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

Ad? what up?

Beatlex

7 days ago

Is the the B?

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

That was supposed to read…Is that the B?

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

Dat’s me

Beatlex

7 days ago

I shouldn’t have eaten that tab of acid! Whew!….Just kidding. It was a cannabis brownie!

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

How goes it B?

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

MMM Kill! I am jealous…

Beatlex

7 days ago

I know the feeling. My daughter lives inOregon, where buying ggod bud, is like buying a 6 pack of Pepsi. I’m in Ohio, and still have to deal, the old fashioned way. But. I do get what I need.

A lot better KT,I had a lot of abdominal pain for months,almost a year.++Truth Alert++

Beatlex

7 days ago

I kicked a opiod addiction! True stuff. I am on my way to recovery

Beatlex

7 days ago

Damn, that’s rough. I live with a lot of lower back pain. Sometimes I can barely get out of bed. Thankfully, it only occurs a few times a year, but when it does…….fuuuck!

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

Fantastic B. I’m an alcoholic, who has been throught 5 treatment programs. Addiction is a real mother fucker. I stayed away from alcohol for 16 years, and only drink on rare occasions. I do use a lot of cannabis though. It is truly a wonder.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

Everybody is different, when it comes to addiction. There is no,”one size fits all.”

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

There are so many of us,survivors,so many of my contempories have passed.I should be dead,but I am strong,apparently,I could tell you stories,as you could tell me.An addicts life is tough

That it is B. But, do you know what I have found, in my own life? I have found a way of viewing the world and my place in it, that has really brought me a great contentment. People always say they’re looking for happiness in their lives. As well they should, but they usually look in the wrong places. I don’t believe in a constant state of happiness. (you know what I mean). I am am thrilled, by being able to maintain a constant level of “contentment.” I realize that things change. they always will, abd nothing is permanent.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

b, I think some entity in my cable company is not letting your videos play. An international thing, most likely. Great choices, BTW.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

As I have gotten older I have mellowed,I was a hellion in my youth K, well into adulthood.

Beatlex

7 days ago

I hear ya B. I had a great love affair with LSD (and any othe hallucinegen I could get

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

I also experimented with heroin, coke, and free based coke (crack). I only did free base about 3 times. I didn’t really like it.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

I can relate. I was also a wild child.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

I did my first hit of “Brown Barrel”acid in 1969,at 14. A week later I almost jumped off of a Ferris Wheel!

Beatlex

7 days ago

A week later? Do you know why you felt that way?

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

I have to say, I did acid about 200 times, probably more. I only had one bad experience. The rest of the trips were unbelievably fun. Sometimes a bit scary,like a rid on a roller coaster, but always fun! Great fun.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

Because I doubled the dose,and went with a very beautiful girl to our yearly Fair,and lost it.I even jumped off of a moving motorcycle.

Beatlex

7 days ago

Glad you didn’t hurt yourself. Lady luck was on your side. I once jumped out of a Jeep, going about 35 miles an hour. I was drunk, at the time and only ripped my thumb nearly off. I didn’t eben really feel it…till the morning came.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

Ah, crazy youth, huh? I wouldn’t take back a minute of it. It was good schooling.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

We have much in common K,It is comforting to me to know that there is other people who are kindred souls to me

Beatlex

7 days ago

absolutely B. That is what I call, genuine spirituality. Realizing we are all basically the same. The same life struggles. Nobody, no matter how wealthy, is immune to life and the costs it extracts from us all, in the end.

I once, with a very good friend, drove 900 miles to a Cape Cod. My friend and I both took a 4 way of window pane, bfore we started our journey. (a real life trip). It was one of the most amazing experiences of my life, and I’ an old fucker.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

Did you ever do needles KT? That was a scary time for me,But I did quit it

Beatlex

7 days ago

Never mind

Beatlex

7 days ago

Yeah. I am sorry to adnit it. I tried heroin, only 4 times. It was so good, that I thought, nothing should make me feel this good, without some sort of big payback. I didn’t do it any longer. I did, however, like to shoot coke. I was never financially secure enough to do it as I would have liked. So, in a way, poverty kept me from a great many bad outcomes. Thank goodness, eh”

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

This is true learning B! bless you for this. Long may you run, as Neil Young once said! (a fellow Canadian).

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

No kidding hey? I like to think that I am as intelligent as your average Rock Star,sans the money to actually burn right out,I surely would not be here

Beatlex

7 days ago

B, I don’t see any damage to you intellect, at all. You are stronger, and wiser, for your experiences, and as you say, we’re lucky to still be here! I can’t explain it. I don’t even want to. I just enjoy the time I have.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

There are some of us that DO survive K, mental toughness is needed to make it through IMO.

Beatlex

7 days ago

I think my dad instilled that in me, and not always intentionally. He told me, before I was shipped off to Marine Corp boot camp, that I’d never make it. He said I was too weak. That pissed me off, to no end. That was the driving force behind my every effort to prove him wrong. And I did. Later, I realized what my dad had done for me. He knew that if he told me I’d fail, I would do everything inmy entire being, to prove him wrond.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

It’s amazing how smart our parents become, as we get older! ‘)

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

My Father died when I was 1,killed in Germany in 1956,leaving my Mother alone with 4 kids…and her youngest born 4 days after He died. She,we,had it rough after that

Beatlex

7 days ago

Damn B. I can’t imagine what that must have been like. Life can be a real mother fucker at times.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

but, I have to say, what’s the alternative? There is, if we allow ourselves to see it, tremendous beauty in the world.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

We just need to not take ourselves so seriously. A great novelist, that I’m very fond of, once said. We’re all just here to fart around and have some fun before we die,.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

My Grandparents saved us.Taking us in here in Canada.They were from humble stock too,but helped my Mother through the tough years that followed,Of course I never knew until lter how much they had helped

Beatlex

7 days ago

Nothing we do or say, lasts forever.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

That’s always the way B. We never true know how much our protectors and care givers give, until we’re older. The Irish have a very unigue way of dealing with that.

KillgoreTrout

7 days ago

B, take care of yourself. I look forward to doing this again, sometime. I must close for now. “Golden Slumbers.”