Monster High Arena

Meet the winged ghouls of this Monster High garden – with gore-geous wings, they help imagination take flight! Shoes are cool and a headpiece bug-themed. Doll wears a vibrant look with elements inspired by the garden and her monster legacy.

Twyla sure is getting a lot of attention lately. Good for her. Looking forward to our first reboot Toralei, I just hope they don't give her long hair again. Or if they do make it more interesting than a ponytail in her default colors.

Themed headdress? Could they mean those headband/goggle/antenna things in insect design, cuz that sounds cute. Except the doll can't wear them without rubber bands on her. Oh! Unless they have CAM IM mask clips.

This line also has three characters named Jada Hindwing (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01NGYFQUL/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=SEMXPF1UB5C4&coliid=I2D37LSUUU70WK), Beeanca Stinger (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01NCNPTIG/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=SEMXPF1UB5C4&coliid=I2O4YFBC1F5KO0), and Fyra Sparks (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01NCO7MP0/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=SEMXPF1UB5C4&coliid=IJG1N1SJX35IU). I imagine these will be along the lines of the eah pixies.

Great find! These sound good, and I'm really intrigued by the 15' (?) tree girl character! "Monster High garden ghoul really grows on you -- the tree girl doll becomes a play set as you spread out her branches and open her trunk"... :clap:

Great find! These sound good, and I'm really intrigued by the 15' (?) tree girl character! "Monster High garden ghoul really grows on you -- the tree girl doll becomes a play set as you spread out her branches and open her trunk"... :clap:

Interesting. I'm guessing it's a grasshopper for Jada? Another bee sounds interesting, I wonder how they'll make her different, and a fire nymph is intriguing. I feel resigned by the knowledge that these are probably pixie-style dolls, but if the designs are good, I probably won't care.

Interesting. I'm guessing it's a grasshopper for Jada? Another bee sounds interesting, I wonder how they'll make her different, and a fire nymph is intriguing. I feel resigned by the knowledge that these are probably pixie-style dolls, but if the designs are good, I probably won't care.

According to the descriptions Jada is a dragonfly and Fyra is a firefly

Interesting. I'm guessing it's a grasshopper for Jada? Another bee sounds interesting, I wonder how they'll make her different, and a fire nymph is intriguing. I feel resigned by the knowledge that these are probably pixie-style dolls, but if the designs are good, I probably won't care.

For some reason I read grasshopper as photographer so I really hope one of these girls is a photographer XD

From just the text, this is reading as "the ghouls are fairies now!" as the theme, which I'm wary of. It really feels like the reboot is pushing the line into 'safer' territory where the creepy/spooky vibe is being minimalized in favor of the same marketing metrics that were deemed 'safe' enough for the Barbie line. It doesn't feel MONSTER HIGH to me. I'm hoping when we see images that it changes my mind.

Damn Mattel. The reboot's barely a year old and already you're going back to the 'Ghouls turn into other creatures thanks to magic/science/boogey sand' plot?

I'm not complaining though, because this sounds like a really good concept. Using a bug motif is a great way to borrow Barbie's 'fairy' theme while keeping it creepy. I wonder why Toralei's in the line though. Cleo and Twyla make sense, there are insects related to their various mythologies, but what do bugs have to do with cats?

I surprised Venus hasn't been listed, but if Garden of Frights is the next movie line after Electrified, I imagine she'll be a deluxe doll for the line.

I'm hoping that Mattel take the opportunity to bring Wydowna, Bonita and Luna out of retirement. Even if they're not in the movie, more bug ghouls in the line would be awesome.

This seems a bit too small to be a movie line. 3 budget level dolls, a playset and some pixie equivalents aren't much. If we get word of some deluxe dolls I imagine this'll be along the lines of FdC and SW.

I really am hoping for Bonita though. It's super unlikely but she's perfect and they gave Avea of all people a mini so just shrink her wings and put her in.

Yeah, it's definitely not a movie tie-in, but the Intergalactic Gala is shaping up to be the yearly specialty line like FdC, Gloom and Boom, and Shriekwrecked, etc. So this seems like another subline akin to Party Ghouls that will introduce a pixie-style doll type and also have a playset- it's definitely not following any of the standard patterns.

It sounds to me like the bug girls are going to hatch out of her stomach, which is pretty cool.

But then I'm wondering what happens with her legs. How can she look like an elegant tree nymph giving haven to young bugs gloriously launching themselves into the new world from her inner nest, and not like... I dunno, someone who died and is having an emergency c-section...or worse, if you go with the bug theme (now those are too morbid for a toy motif, even for me). it seems to me it would all come down to somehow elegantly making her legs into a trunk which the bugs would then need a ladder to, or something. I feel like she can't have her legs lying stretched on the floor, and it would be disappointing if she were stuck in a perma-yogi-position. Or worse, was randomly missing legs altogether.

It sounds to me like the bug girls are going to hatch out of her stomach, which is pretty cool.

But then I'm wondering what happens with her legs. How can she look like an elegant tree nymph giving haven to young bugs gloriously launching themselves into the new world from her inner nest, and not like... I dunno, someone who died and is having an emergency c-section...or worse, if you go with the bug theme (now those are too morbid for a toy motif, even for me). it seems to me it would all come down to somehow elegantly making her legs into a trunk which the bugs would then need a ladder to, or something. I feel like she can't have her legs lying stretched on the floor, and it would be disappointing if she were stuck in a perma-yogi-position. Or worse, was randomly missing legs altogether.

The listing says "Unclip her legs to let your imagination roam with the doll" so there are legs involved... and it sounds like you can free her from the playset? Or take the legs off? I wish we got pics instead of speculation! :P

I'm just worried about the possibility of her being a non-mobile character in-universe. What fun is a tree giant who's rooted to the earth? Also, she's listed as shorter than Gooliope by a little, but she has to be big enough to hold the bug fairies, so that implies a permanent sitting position- technically, she's huge, but she won't be able to reach full height.

This sounds like it could be insanely cool (Think, we might get Cedar's woodgrain again!) but it might be a tremendous failure due to the playset. If Mattel is clever enough, she could successfully straddle both roles, but I don't know.

Re-reading the description, I *think* Nymphadora(... what? Dryads are Tree Nymphs!) will be "inserted" somehow in the playset, probably in the door, so people are able to play with her. (the descriptions mentions shoes and a dress) and the dimensions of the box say it is 4 x 12 x 15.2, so either she's 17" and in a sitting position, or the doll itself is normal size(Maybe big sister?) And since the bugs are 5 inches or so, the playset doesn't need to be that big, nor their flowers/things(I think one has a mushroom?)

It seems very clear to me that Daphne (my temp name for her) is the playset, not a doll that goes with it. Mentions like "unclip her legs", "open her trunk" and the like indicate she transforms somehow, but I'm optimistic that she'll still be a fairly complete and functional doll, especially since she supposedly has an outift...the gimmick may mean it's molded, though. I just love plant monsters (especially spooky trees) and Gooliope could use a friend more her size, so I hope she's great.

It is a freakin' miracle. The playset tree giant, Treesa Thornwillow, is a complete articulated doll, with a nice design to boot! Mattel, I was really expecting a crushing letdown, but you made a functional doll into a functional playset, while making her a tree giant! I sense a hit.

Also, Jada has four arms, so that's cool.

Disappointed though that Twyla seems to have permanently concentrated her shadows to her right arm.

- I like how Treesa is being executed. Her shoes seem to click into the actual playset and I think that's a great way for her to still have mobility. She reminds of Cedar but like, not as pretty ^^;. I hope she fits Barbie clothes because her outfit needs some serious work.- I think the Twyla in this image is just an Electrified one with different hair. I don't think that hand mould is going to be her default and her shadows are still messed up. Unless that's just how she looks now, but her mini has them on her legs so IDK- Toralei has a kitty nose now! How neat. - Cleo, Toralei, and Twyla are really boring. I'll probably start falling for them when we get better pics but otherwise these girls are pretty meh.- I like that Jada has four arms.- I like the Egyptian bird (the name escapes me) designs on Cleo's wings- Twyla's forehead is HUGE in these pics

The "Pixies"- No clue what to call them, but might as well just have these and the Enchantimals line be the same. Make it the common thread for EAH and MH. Not the biggest fan of them as a whole. I think I like the bee girl the best, but I hope she gets her neck back hah.

Treesa- Is definitely the coolest. Well done Mattel. I agree with the hair though. I don't like the magenta, so hopefully it's a bit different in actuality. I think she would have looked a bit better with like golden hair.

All of them - That is a LOT of mini dresses... Not even like capri's and a tshirt could be used? Just on one of them?Glad they are articulated though! A little more of that would be awesome.

The "Pixies"- No clue what to call them, but might as well just have these and the Enchantimals line be the same. Make it the common thread for EAH and MH. Not the biggest fan of them as a whole. I think I like the bee girl the best, but I hope she gets her neck back hah.

I dunno... the enchantimals seems to be little girls while these seems to have the same proportions as the standard MH teenager, just in a smaller scale, kinda like the Frightmares...

I love Treesa. I think she's the best of the line. I'm kinda "meh" about Cleo, Twyla and Toralei, honestly. And the Bugxies are very cool too. Except the Pink on pink which has been done too many times as a color combo.

I'm disappointed with Treesa's overall look, too - they could've gone with cherry blossom hair, or weeping willow, or anything really....on the plus side I really love Cleo's scarab wings, Twyla has a cute dress (not insect-themed enough for my taste from what I can make out, but it's still a cute party dress) and I LOVE the new bug characters. I was really underwhelmed with the family pack picture leaks so I'm glad at least this caught my eye. :inlove:

I like the concept of Treesa (especially her name! It kind of sounds like mine hehe), but the execution could've been so much better. I'll reserve my full judgement for the final product, but atm she seems kinda boring. :/ At the very least she'll be fun to customize.

I'm really, really, really hoping that Treesa turns out to be 17 inches (though based on her joints in the leak image, she doesn't appear to be), because otherwise I have this nagging feeling that we've seen the last of the 17" dolls. :(I just don't understand why they wouldn't use the Frightfully Tall body for a giant ent/dryad character that morphs into a playset unless they're all but done with the 17-inchers (save for maybe the occasional Goo). It almost seems too obvious that she should be on the taller body.

But maybe I will be pleasantly surprised and much relieved when this doll finally hits sites and stores. Maybe she's on the taller body but with changes made to the knees and elbows so that her playset and "growing" features could be better accommodated. *fingers tightly crossed*

I was initially so glad to see Cleo with smaller eyes and Toralei...but after looking at them more closely, I'm kinda sad that Mattel has turned my beloved ghouls into fairies, butterflies, or pixies...or whatever they are. It is too "little girl"-ish to me. And again with the ruffles and sleeveless minidresses. Come on Mattel, are you trying to show us just how cheap and gimmicky you can turn MH into? More new characters we don't need? We have at least 30 or more characters now, most who haven't seen the light of day since this "reboot." We really do not need another (large) doll who turns into something else, tho Treela is a somewhat interesting concept.

I just hope the faceups stay the same in the end, because if they give Toralei and the rest those ultra-large wide eyes, that will kill the deal for me. Altho I will plan on rebodying Cleo anyway as I'm still not a fan of the molded wrappings.

Hmm, it's hard to make everything out exactly cause of the blurry pics (are there any better quality photos out there?) but here's my thoughts so far:

Cleo - LOVE her wings, but the rest of her doesn't do much for me. I'm just not a fan of reboot Cleo.Toralei -aaaargh more one-sided minidresses.. but she looks good aside from that. Nice to see she finally has a cat nose like the other werecats, haha. And her wings are *gorgeous*! I just hope they don't change her face-up/head mold for the final release. I like that teal streak of hair she seems to have, too.Twyla - Meh.Bugs - they're okay; I'd need to see clearer pics of them, really. Not sure what to think of them. It's cool that Ingrid/Jada (?) has four arms tho! And Beeanca looks cute, I bet she'd look adorable with the CAM bee girl ^^ I hope they don't have molded shirts, though...Treesa - WOW she's better than I expected. Definitely the best of this line, I'd go as far as to say she's the best doll to come out of the reboot in *general* so far, detail-wise. If that makes sense. I don't want her (no space for playsets) but she's *gorgeous*, wow. Although I still can't figure out how the playset part of her works XD looking forward to seeing more photos of that.

The pixie ones have their names changed?Listing said Jada Hindwing, Beeanca Stinger, and Fyra Sparks. I read Lumina, Wingrid and Beeanca. :blink:

Since these aren't the final products those might be prototype names.

Yeah, IIRC all the Frightmares had different names before actually being released (I remember Frets was originally called "Pitch Firehoof", for example). I wonder which names they'll actually go with..

I'm really, really, really hoping that Treesa turns out to be 17 inches (though based on her joints in the leak image, she doesn't appear to be), because otherwise I have this nagging feeling that we've seen the last of the 17" dolls. :(I just don't understand why they wouldn't use the Frightfully Tall body for a giant ent/dryad character that morphs into a playset unless they're all but done with the 17-inchers (save for maybe the occasional Goo). It almost seems too obvious that she should be on the taller body.

But maybe I will be pleasantly surprised and much relieved when this doll finally hits sites and stores. Maybe she's on the taller body but with changes made to the knees and elbows so that her playset and "growing" features could be better accommodated. *fingers tightly crossed*

I think she might be a new size. The listing describes her as 15 inches and if she was regular size than that playset would be way too small.

Cleo, Twyla and Toralei are pretty nice. Twyla's my favorite, I love her little hat XD And I like Toralei's face, she got her kitty nose! Treesa is okay but I feel like they could have just done so much MORE with her. And the little bug girls are cute, are they articulated?

I want Treesa! I want Treesa! Yeah, she'll need work on restyling and maybe rerooting, but I love the woodgrain and the branches on her arms and how different she is from other ghouls. Yay, finally I'm excited about a new MH doll!

I'm really, really, really hoping that Treesa turns out to be 17 inches (though based on her joints in the leak image, she doesn't appear to be), because otherwise I have this nagging feeling that we've seen the last of the 17" dolls. :(I just don't understand why they wouldn't use the Frightfully Tall body for a giant ent/dryad character that morphs into a playset unless they're all but done with the 17-inchers (save for maybe the occasional Goo). It almost seems too obvious that she should be on the taller body.

But maybe I will be pleasantly surprised and much relieved when this doll finally hits sites and stores. Maybe she's on the taller body but with changes made to the knees and elbows so that her playset and "growing" features could be better accommodated. *fingers tightly crossed*

I think she might be a new size. The listing describes her as 15 inches and if she was regular size than that playset would be way too small.

Okay I can be down with 15". At that size she'll most likely still work with the 17" dolls, just younger/shorter than them. That could be cool.

Oooh I kinda like Treesa!! I would have preferred if she was actually like... half tree, but it seems like that's the feature of the playset, to lock her feet in a trunk, so I'm satisfied. But, is it just me or that little image show that te lower part of her dress can be pulled lower, to be longer?

Also, I'm in love with bug ghouls, I kinda wish they'd be Howleen-sized too, but they're cool like that, they have interesting designs like two sets of hands and cool wings. Though Wingrid/Dragonfly's colour scheeme is kinda... meh imo. One last thing... are their dresses... molded. Or are they those clippy ones? They look awfully chunky.

I'm wondering, and could be wrong here, but isn't it possible that the details on Twyla are off because they're reusing an Electrified base for the prototype? If that makes any sense at all.

It makes perfect sense! :) I was wondering if that was the case, too. I think that's happened before.

I wouldn't be toooo worried about her eye colour being wrong still until we get more "finalized" prototype pics. Remember stuff can change.. some of the early Frightmares photos/prototypes showed them with leg gradients instead of symbols, the survey photos of the Freaky Fusion dolls with clip-in fangs showed them with painted fangs (which I *still* wish we'd gotten..) instead.. etc etc.

I think Cleo could easily be applied to other contexts, and maybe Twyla, too, as both have bugs as part of their existing themes. I'll need to see some high-res, finalized photos before I make up my mind, though.

Also, Treesa's head looks awfully shiny. I hope the final head is vinyl rather than plastic.

I find them all really bland and repetitive. Faeries can be done really cool like if they were done like gothic fairys or in the same aesthetic as Gloom Bloom. But they're prototype mockups. I know how dissapointed I was in the SW box mockups but the final products looked much more finetuned.

Twyla - I actually like her dress! I'm generally happy to see more Twyla as well.

Toralei - I don't really like Toralei here this much.. It's mostly her dress, as it seems like just another one pice. I don't really know about that hair either, but I'm really enjoying her face.

Cleo - Not loving the dress, but Cleo with scarab wings is really interesting and I love it! I also love those shoes.

Treesa - While I think her wings and adornments at her legs are pretty cool, it would've been really cool to see some box art (I'm starting to miss packaging that includes box art), as well as a different dress...However, I like what seems to be tree molds/patterns on her body. That and she's fully articulated it seems :P

Most of the outfits in this series is a disappointment for me, honestly because it looks like the outfits just aren't well thought out. I agree with another person on this forum that it indeed looks like a party dress :/

Buuut it's still a prototype, so I'm gonna stay positive~ Besides, I honestly have plans to buy Cleo. As much as I wish all of them had bigger wings, I'd still go for Cleo. Those scarab wings are so pretty :D

Here's (https://www.instagram.com/p/BOhFLaeBEc1/) a commercial showing Treesa's growing gimmick. If you look closely it kind of looks like Toralei has a split-dye job. I kind hope that happens (we can't see the other side of her head in the leak after all.)

It kind of Reminds me of the Growing Up Skipper Dolls, minus the one feature.

I like the original Twyla, with the shadows on her arms and legs. I don't like they new way they are doing her limbs. It looks so cheap now, and the lack of Glow in the Dark Eyes. That was a cool feature to have, especially if you noticed it at night instead of knowing about it ahead of time.

Oh awesome! I'll definitely get the tree girl. Another doll size?! Lol but YAY. it's a shame her fingers aren't twigs like, but instead twigs are sticking out of her arms. The tree is entirely too spiral/round and it all looks like vines cuz of that. I was expecting the trunk to go to the waist, at least, and maybe conceal a sequin leaf covered gauzy poof dress for a wow factor when it's opened for her to step out. And that skirt would be the shady tree for little ones to sit under. This was a great opportunity for Bats, beetles, bird skeleton accessories and for a Ghoulia with Hoots. Oh glob if there was a fresh from the grave ghoulia wearing what she was buried in, lookin grubby, with a tombstone accessory addon for the tree!

Ooh, thanks for the link! Treesa's gimmick is interesting :o It's nice to see it in action so soon after the initial leaks (if that makes sense). aaa, I just wish they'd focused on the other dolls as well, though! XD

Well, as cool as she looks, it's not looking good for her being compatible with the 17" dolls. Her proportions appear to be similar to that of the standard dolls, and not nearly as big as those of the FTGs. :(

Ooooh I like that feature. I kinda like the trunk thing though, I like the evil face. I just thing it could've been made a little better as to actually make it look like Treesa's legs are a trunk and not just a pair of human legs stuck in a bog.

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Now I'm picturing Treesa with big green fluffy hair, maybe even an Honey styled afro, to make her actually look like a tree.

That's a thought, but it might look too cartoonish, and the density that would be required is probably too much for that scale. I honestly think she might have been better off with molded head branches and leaves, but the Mattel law apparently states that a doll set with a female character cannot be released without at least one of the girls having fiber hair- so if there's just one, no molded hair for them. Maybe long long central-parted green hair in braids to live up to her name would have been the best option.

That's a thought, but it might look too cartoonish, and the density that would be required is probably too much for that scale. I honestly think she might have been better off with molded head branches and leaves, but the Mattel law apparently states that a doll set with a female character cannot be released without at least one of the girls having fiber hair- so if there's just one, no molded hair for them. Maybe long long central-parted green hair in braids to live up to her name would have been the best option.

oooh like a willow!! that would've been so cool! I'm imagining like really long braids and a hippie head band on. Actually, how cool would it have been if her style was like... tree-hugger chic.

I'll definitely be buying the dragonfly fairy, but no one else. I've wanted MH fairies forEVER now. Dragonfly girl is my absolute fave. The other two are cute but idk... Although the bee would make a cute little sister for my CAM bee, named Bea Hiverson... lol.

Treesa would've been a very cool daughter of an Ent, but they kinda... Screwed her design up imo. She doesn't look like a tree at all, she looks like Cedar's mom or something. I'm disappointed. I would've loved a giant ent girly.

Based on the commercial she looks like she is 15"-17" inches. Which is very cool. I don't really like the body growing concept and I hope those branches are detachable. I guess I like my monsters a little more "normie."

Based on the commercial she looks like she is 15"-17" inches. Which is very cool. I don't really like the body growing concept and I hope those branches are detachable. I guess I like my monsters a little more "normie."

Her elbows look single jointed rather than the double that the 17" dolls have. Her face seems shiny...is it possible she doesn't have a PVC head?

it's really hard for me to have an opinion about any of the details with resolution at this level, besides the fact that I see the small dolls are not articulated at the elbow and knee which is what I'm always looking for in any doll.

I suspect that the "family sets" line is more targeted towards their main, very young child demographic, this appears originally aimed at the older, collector demographic (I feel like they now try to aim for two different demogs with two different types of products, but most of them toward their very young kid target, post-reboot). However, I suspect, even at this blur-level, that someone higher-up made some cuts to this line too and pushed its demographic younger, and this will also not be near to pre-reboot level of detail/quality.

I guess it was probably too much to make a whole line that got close to the old level of detail...for older collectors. I do believe the designers pushed for that but they didn't get to make the decision. I think it's still going to be just the one doll here or there that gets the "traditional level of quality" treatment.

I'm a little less enthused by Treesa after seeing the gimmick. I hope it's possible to take off the branches even if it leaves her 'stuck' on one size. I think she could be great re-rooted in light green, like a willow...

I like Treesa more after seeing the commercial, still not sure if she's for me though. And Cleo, Toralei and Twyla look better in the commercial than in those oddly-Photoshopped prototype pictures, even though they're teeny tiny and you can barely see 'em, so I'm still holding out hope. XD

Not sure on this line, they look too bland for my taste, Treesa looks mismatched like dolls from the fleashop wit different random clothes from the original dolls, is hard too see how posable is her wit that gimmick :|

The Garden Ghouls are a bit meh, but Twyla has potential (maybe rebodied on a G1 body if she ends up not actually having her shadows). And Treesa looks good, though I hope her mechanism doesn't interfere with posability!Are the nymphs articulated on elbows/knees, or are they just molded like that? I can't see properly.

I might get Cleo but my feelings may change once they actually get released. I really like her scarab wings at least. Pretty disappointed about Twyla's arms as well. Also does anyone else feel like Venus should have been a shoe in for this line?

I might get Cleo but my feelings may change once they actually get released. I really like her scarab wings at least. Pretty disappointed about Twyla's arms as well. Also does anyone else feel like Venus should have been a shoe in for this line?

*mattel makes a garden line, ignores the one character that is an actual plant* :argh:

I'm trying to find a good photo of the new Twyla because it almost looks like she has a bit of a shadow on her arm. A. It like what they did to her legs in freak du chic just on her arm and thinner? Or I'm just actually going crazy and seeing things

I might get Cleo but my feelings may change once they actually get released. I really like her scarab wings at least. Pretty disappointed about Twyla's arms as well. Also does anyone else feel like Venus should have been a shoe in for this line?

*mattel makes a garden line, ignores the one character that is an actual plant* :argh:

Sounds normal for Mattel to be honest. They did put both a cat and rock gargoyle in the Nautical line.

I'm disappointed they didn't make this the crossover line with EAH than the fact that a plant girl isn't in it. A magical garden that lays between the boundary between worlds where they could have met Faybelle and Nina.

Mattel doesn't make the obvious choice for who goes into a line because the obvious choice is mostly boring. It's way more interesting to see how they make a garden cat than a garden plant girl. Venus already has three minidresses this Gen around.

Cleo's my favorite, I don't think there's anything I even dislike about her, other than her lipstick color. But they've been robbing her of good lipstick colors lately anyway. Imagine how good this doll would have looked in a deep turquoise!

Toralei and Twyla are pretty cute too, which is weird since I don't usually like their dolls in general.

Treesa definitely looks better than her prototype, but she needs a new outfit. If she got new clothes, I think she'd seem a lot more magical.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BQwIYPxhnpE/. A short video showing the Garden Ghouls up close.

-It looks like Toralei only has part of her hair crimped and the rest is straight. -Not a huge fan of the ruffles, I can see they're going for a shakespearean vibe but it isn't quite working. -Poor Cleo kind of has Ghouls Spirit Frankie Syndrome: her eyeshadow is that weird conjunctivitis tone.-Am I seeing things or has Toralei lost her claws?

Toralei definitely doesn't have claws in that (hopefully?) prototype. And she looks hilariously cat-spooked up close, did they change the shape of her eyes or something?Also, I can see *something* on Twyla's right arm, I think they're thin wispy shadows. Quite a difference from her G1 big vines of darkness!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BQwIYPxhnpE/. A short video showing the Garden Ghouls up close.

-It looks like Toralei only has part of her hair crimped and the rest is straight. -Not a huge fan of the ruffles, I can see they're going for a shakespearean vibe but it isn't quite working. -Poor Cleo kind of has Ghouls Spirit Frankie Syndrome: her eyeshadow is that weird conjunctivitis tone.-Am I seeing things or has Toralei lost her claws?

Her raised hand appears to have claws, but the other hand is hard to tell? They've changed the mould for sure, though. They're shorter/blunter. If you pause it, you can just barely make out the points.

With Twyla it seems like they are going with the idea that the shadows can shift around on her body that they kinda toyed with in G1 with Haunted and FdC. They probably got a lot of complaints about the shoes scraping off the paint of the earliest dolls.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BQwIYPxhnpE/. A short video showing the Garden Ghouls up close.

-It looks like Toralei only has part of her hair crimped and the rest is straight. -Not a huge fan of the ruffles, I can see they're going for a shakespearean vibe but it isn't quite working. -Poor Cleo kind of has Ghouls Spirit Frankie Syndrome: her eyeshadow is that weird conjunctivitis tone.-Am I seeing things or has Toralei lost her claws?

Her raised hand appears to have claws, but the other hand is hard to tell? They've changed the mould for sure, though. They're shorter/blunter. If you pause it, you can just barely make out the points.

With Twyla it seems like they are going with the idea that the shadows can shift around on her body that they kinda toyed with in G1 with Haunted and FdC. They probably got a lot of complaints about the shoes scraping off the paint of the earliest dolls.

That makes sense. I actually think the wisp design on the arms is much more versatile than the gloved look she had before.

With Twyla it seems like they are going with the idea that the shadows can shift around on her body that they kinda toyed with in G1 with Haunted and FdC. They probably got a lot of complaints about the shoes scraping off the paint of the earliest dolls.

That'd be a genuinely cool idea. I guess they can't randomize the plastic pattern like they do Rochelle.

Well Rochelle lost her claws in G2 so is not surprising they might get rid of Toralei's claws as well to make her "less scary" :annoyed:

Hopefully we can get closer pictures, I dot have interest in this Garden line for the moment, I only like Toralei colours, but I don't like Treesa at all and she might suffer from the gimmicks

Rochelle had claws? Like, clawed hands? I only saw clawed hands on Rochelle for Zombie Shake. Did I miss something?

I think people meant clawed hand like the hands Clawdeen has.

I never really gave it much active thought, but I'm pretty sure my Haunted and Freak du Chic Rochelles also have clawed hands...somehow I can't remember my date pack Roch's hands, but I'm leaning towards yes as well. I think of her as a clawed monster. It makes sense for a gargoyle to have claws. Isn't shriekwrecked Roch wearing gloves? Hopefully the gloves are just "covering the claws" for just that doll.

I need that Cleo. *-* But I think I like this whole line in general :3Also, Toralei has her cat nose! <3 And I agree that they keep changing Twyla's shadows perhaps because they are supposed to be shifting around. And I love that idea. ^-^

Well Rochelle lost her claws in G2 so is not surprising they might get rid of Toralei's claws as well to make her "less scary" :annoyed:

Hopefully we can get closer pictures, I dot have interest in this Garden line for the moment, I only like Toralei colours, but I don't like Treesa at all and she might suffer from the gimmicks

Rochelle had claws? Like, clawed hands? I only saw clawed hands on Rochelle for Zombie Shake. Did I miss something?

I think people meant clawed hand like the hands Clawdeen has.

I never really gave it much active thought, but I'm pretty sure my Haunted and Freak du Chic Rochelles also have clawed hands...somehow I can't remember my date pack Roch's hands, but I'm leaning towards yes as well. I think of her as a clawed monster. It makes sense for a gargoyle to have claws. Isn't shriekwrecked Roch wearing gloves? Hopefully the gloves are just "covering the claws" for just that doll.

Treesa is kind of cool but not sure on her gimmick yet. Otherwise, I wholly underwhelmed by the Garden Ghouls. I want to love Cleo as she has always been my favorite but will have to see her in person. Same with Toralei. Twyla is a big no, like many of her other dolls for me. Her 13 Wishes sig is the only one I have loved. Her face always looks...odd to me. Almost garish, perhaps? Not feeling the nymphs either, just "meh".

I love how detailed the little insect dolls are. I really like the dragonfly one with the extra arms. I just wish they had more articulation, those extra arms are crying out to be posed. The joint it currently has makes it kind of weird.

why would they do that to Toralei when Catrine still has the clawed hands?

Well, Mattel has being indecisive lately, for example in G2 Lagoona some releases have molded fins in her legs (the one wit the scooter) while other have the fins has a removable piece like the ones in G1

Yay for the close up pics of Treesa, who I am falling in love with. Nice to see her different profiles in those pics plus she has carved details on her head, love it and a definite must buy for me. Might get some of those little garden ghouls too, wish they were better articulated though, ah well.

Seeing the better pictures made me like the Garden ghouls even more :3 Twyla has the swirl even above the elbow, which I find very nice. And Treesa's make-up is really beautiful. :3 But somehow I do not like her lips... I was wondering what seemed offf about them to me, and I guess they are just too narrow/puckered. They strongly remind me of Jinafire's lips; and while Jinafire also has these huge wide eyes, somehow this combo does not work for me on Treesa. But it might as well be the photo, so I will wait till I see her in person to make my final decision. :D

Even closer pics of the Garden Ghouls:https://www.instagram.com/p/BQzFHQchxTB/https://www.instagram.com/p/BQzFFrNh0J8/https://www.instagram.com/p/BQzFEOMB8zb/

-I am very curious about how their wings are attached. They aren't wearing necklaces like cupid and they don't seem to have huge harnesses like the inner monsters. -Cleo has purple and pink eyeshadow. Neat.-Toralei seems to have one clawed hand and one normal hand so we'll probably have to wait until stock pics come in to see whether her claws are intact. I think she wins best dress. -One of Twyla's hands looks kind of messed up the way Venus's are but the rest of her limbs look fine so I'm assuming that hand just got pulled out by accident

There are two interesting things about the tiny garden pixies I only noticed after watching another video from the show, not sure if you noticed.

First, they are completely plastic, top and skirt both (I don't personally mind that at all, they remind me of the MLP EG figures). The parts do seem removable, though, so maybe if they continue to make dolls of this scale, there could be some "redressing"..?

Second, they come with stands! And each one has a different stand design that seems to match their bug theme (the little bee's one looks kinda like a hive). They also double as seats, which kinda leads me to believe their knees might be articulated...? I mean, I can't really see them sitting with their legs outstretched like that... :D

There are two interesting things about the tiny garden pixies I only noticed after watching another video from the show, not sure if you noticed.

First, they are completely plastic, top and skirt both (I don't personally mind that at all, they remind me of the MLP EG figures). The parts do seem removable, though, so maybe if they continue to make dolls of this scale, there could be some "redressing"..?

Second, they come with stands! And each one has a different stand design that seems to match their bug theme (the little bee's one looks kinda like a hive). They also double as seats, which kinda leads me to believe their knees might be articulated...? I mean, I can't really see them sitting with their legs outstretched like that... :D

They kinda remind me of recent Polly Pocket. I think they are that small too.

I'm more interested in the pixies than anything... I need that dragonfly girl soo badly. She will be my third reboot doll without a doubt, even if her plastic clothes aren't removable, I hope they are though.

The garden pixies could've been as cool as the Frightmares but they're not... The latter had some interesting designs and neat eye screenings but these ones are just...eh.The dragonfly one looks the best but I don't like plastic clothing on humanoid dolls.The pink one has a really terrible color scheme and the bee girl just looks very awkward and "incomplete" for some reason..The stands they come with are actually really cute but need more paint.

Treesa's really bleh, they really didn't need to tack on pink to her. She and the regular dolls all have awful cheap bland minidresses and I've noticed they're slowly getting rid of Twyla's limb smokes.

This whole line/concept could've been so awesome if it was just made way back when Mattel still had SOME quality.

The garden pixies could've been as cool as the Frightmares but they're not... The latter had some interesting designs and neat eye screenings but these ones are just...eh.The dragonfly one looks the best but I don't like plastic clothing on humanoid dolls.

I think they are Polly Pocket sized which is even smaller than the Frightmares. If that's the case then these are pretty impressive.

Treesa has a cool overall design, but that dress just annoys me. I know they need to keep the dress simple to accommodate the growing gimmick, but why does it need such an ugly print? It just looks so visually uninteresting.

I also just realized this is a major line WIHOUT DRACULAURA AND/OR CLAWDEEN!!!(watch me jinx it like GSR and them becoming the exclusives....)

Oh wow.. Didn't even notice haha. Honestly, there is probAbly going to be exclhsives of the mains..

Could be, but so far the only main in the Part Ghouls line is Draculaura, so maybe not? I know GG is supposed to be the next major line attached to the fall movie and all and PG is a small independent line, but one can hope! (Or at least for my bank account's sake, I hope the lineup stays as is!)

I also just realized this is a major line WIHOUT DRACULAURA AND/OR CLAWDEEN!!!(watch me jinx it like GSR and them becoming the exclusives....)

Oh wow.. Didn't even notice haha. Honestly, there is probAbly going to be exclhsives of the mains..

Could be, but so far the only main in the Part Ghouls line is Draculaura, so maybe not? I know GG is supposed to be the next major line attached to the fall movie and all and PG is a small independent line, but one can hope! (Or at least for my bank account's sake, I hope the lineup stays as is!)

I don't believe Garden of Frights is a movie line- I thought it was the yearly themed line like Shriekwrecked or Freak du Chic. We've certainly never heard any word of it being connected to a movie.

Frankie was absent from Haunted, so it wouldn't be the "first" time for her.

Remember that we thought Draculaura and Clawdeen wouldn't be in GSR because their dolls/art weren't released until muuuch later than we saw the others... and then we noticed because a tiny leaked image of draculaura and someone posted the "instruction manual" showing silhouettes of other two dolls

I mean, there have been lines were no one of the mains have been featured before(Few and far between, but there have been... I think) but this would be the first MAJOR line(Movie or not) to lack the main three(And like I said, Frankie wasn't even in the story for "Haunted")

If you heard it it wasn't in any of Froggy's videos. Anyways I thought the movie was supposed to tie into the storyline for the new series.

Yeah I've watched a bunch of toy fair videos (including hers) and none of them mention GG as the fall movie line. Closest I heard any of the reps talking about a movie is referencing how kids will be able to recognize Dracula from Welcome to Monster High in the Monster Family set. If GG was the movie line I'm pretty sure they would've made that a major talking point.

I don't think we have any info on the fall movie yet other than an amazon listing for the novelization. I've seen some speculation that the 44 minute special that's going to compliment the youtube show is the the fall movie but nothing in the article about it states that outright.

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Mattel lady said they were 6" in The Doll Circle vid (cca 1:20 in). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpSBH6RcX8s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpSBH6RcX8s)

I'm not sure that's accurate. If they were 6in they would be taller than Chelsea and up to the waist of regular MH dolls. If you pause the video at 0:18 you can see they aren't that tall.

https://youtu.be/TgCeuQcfqHk

I just said what Mattel employee said about them, but they do look smaller than that, which is actually nice, they're more bug-y that way. They seem to be about the same height as vinyls, perhaps? That would be cute.

I really dislike those minis... They don't look Monster High at all.They almost look like something out of 80's Strawberry Shortcake..?

Also unfortunately that photo is really making me like Treesa... xD I only wanted the dragonfly pixie, damn!! I might have to get her, too. She's really stunning in that photo, she didn't win me over before but something about her there makes her look infinitely better.

Also, I'm sorry if it was said and I missed it-How big are the bug girls? Like, Frightmare size? I kinda hope they're at least that big. And how big will Treesa be, like normal MH size that stretches up to Goo size?

I really dislike those minis... They don't look Monster High at all.They almost look like something out of 80's Strawberry Shortcake..?

Also unfortunately that photo is really making me like Treesa... xD I only wanted the dragonfly pixie, damn!! I might have to get her, too. She's really stunning in that photo, she didn't win me over before but something about her there makes her look infinitely better.

Also, I'm sorry if it was said and I missed it-How big are the bug girls? Like, Frightmare size? I kinda hope they're at least that big. And how big will Treesa be, like normal MH size that stretches up to Goo size?

From the video on the previous page, Treesa looks to be about Gooliope size, so my guess is that the bugs are about Frightmare size, or at least from foot to head about Frightmare height even if the proportions are off some?

I really dislike those minis... They don't look Monster High at all.They almost look like something out of 80's Strawberry Shortcake..?

Also unfortunately that photo is really making me like Treesa... xD I only wanted the dragonfly pixie, damn!! I might have to get her, too. She's really stunning in that photo, she didn't win me over before but something about her there makes her look infinitely better.

Also, I'm sorry if it was said and I missed it-How big are the bug girls? Like, Frightmare size? I kinda hope they're at least that big. And how big will Treesa be, like normal MH size that stretches up to Goo size?

From the video on the previous page, Treesa looks to be about Gooliope size, so my guess is that the bugs are about Frightmare size, or at least from foot to head about Frightmare height even if the proportions are off some?

I think I read somewhere that she's 15"? She probably grows to be 17-18" is my guess

Those little guys on Treesa reminds me of the background characters in the TV show Strawberry Shortcake berry bitty adventures

Cutesy? yes, monsterish? I don't think so, this makes pretty clear G2 is aimed at a younger kid audience than G1 , I wish we could have some monsterish dolls as well in G2

I dunno. While the style is rather cutesy I don't think any other brand would tackle bugs quite like this since bugs are usually considered "too creepy" with the exception of butterflies and ladybugs. If this was Barbie they would have probably been flowers and of course SSC was about berries which are both cutesy safe themes. This whole Garden of Frights thing seems to be about bugs more than plants tbh.

Although I know it's tied up to get out of the way of her wings/branches, I think Treesa would really benefit from a loose hairstyle.

And yeah, it's still MH. Even if they're not willing to do it for the standard dolls anymore, the new garden characters have a lot of molding, and the bugs are full-on buggy. No idea what Treesa's little weirdos are supposed to be, but the creepy is still here...just a bit subdued in this case.

Those little guys on Treesa reminds me of the background characters in the TV show Strawberry Shortcake berry bitty adventures

Cutesy? yes, monsterish? I don't think so, this makes pretty clear G2 is aimed at a younger kid audience than G1 , I wish we could have some monsterish dolls as well in G2

I dunno. While the style is rather cutesy I don't think any other brand would tackle bugs quite like this since bugs are usually considered "too creepy" with the exception of butterflies and ladybugs. If this was Barbie they would have probably been flowers and of course SSC was about berries which are both cutesy safe themes. This whole Garden of Frights thing seems to be about bugs more than plants tbh.

Well, it depends on what the creators wants for the kids to feel, some kid friendly bugs (non butterflies and ladybugs) can be seen in the Glo-friends cartoon and toys, the Miss Spider's Sunny Patch friends show, and Pixar's a Bug's Life :)

You can have designs that have slightly creepy looking bugs without making it too scary for kids like the ones in the James and the giant peach movie ;)

Sorry to bring the topic up with nothing new to add but I've been thinking that Treesa's face looks familiar. So after thinking and thinking I started to notice the similarities between her sculpt and Jinafire's. Do you think it's the same with minor tweaks? Or an all new one with coincidental look-alike-ness?

Here's a side-by-side comparison. I think they have similar noses and mouths.

Sorry to bring the topic up with nothing new to add but I've been thinking that Treesa's face looks familiar. So after thinking and thinking I started to notice the similarities between her sculpt and Jinafire's. Do you think it's the same with minor tweaks? Or an all new one with coincidental look-alike-ness?

Here's a side-by-side comparison. I think they have similar noses and mouths.

Sorry to bring the topic up with nothing new to add but I've been thinking that Treesa's face looks familiar. So after thinking and thinking I started to notice the similarities between her sculpt and Jinafire's. Do you think it's the same with minor tweaks? Or an all new one with coincidental look-alike-ness?

Here's a side-by-side comparison. I think they have similar noses and mouths.

I noticed it too, but I think they just turned out similar. Upsizing and tweaking a mold seems a bit overcomplicated.

Not necessarily. I'm fairly certain that Mattel keeps digital files of all of their molds so that they can be easily altered or re-sized. And we know that it must be pretty easy for them to re-scale pieces because they did it for the Frightfully Tall line.So while I can't say for certain that Treesa is a tweaked Jinafire, it would be easy for Mattel to do if they wanted to.

And yes, I agree, itzelery. She definitely does look a lot like Jinafire.

Toralei's so cute - she has Tiger Swallowtail wings! I love it when they do stuff like that, nice to see some of the G1 cleverness is still around. I hadn't even noticed they had a literal tiger face on them until I checked this thread :) (Smileshy22 - thanks for posting that link to the HQ photos of her!! I hadn't seen those yet. She's so gorgeous, aaa ;A;)

I agree, the pink lipstick looks a bit out of place on her, but it does look better in these new promo photos than at Toy Fair, so maybe it was just the odd lighting at Toy Fair making it look worse than it actually is and it'll look better on the actual doll? It wouldn't be the first time that's happened.

Are her shoes re-used molds? They look familiar but I can't place them.

Her face looks the same to me - her eyes do look a bit different but it could just be an optical illusion, like with Catrine - her post-reboot dolls look like they have bigger eyes, but it's the exact same mold, it just looks like that because she now has less eye makeup. If that makes sense.

I hope she hasn't lost her claws :s I can't tell if she has them in these new photos or not. Does reboot!Clawdeen still have her claws? I haven't been paying too close attention to her, but if she has, then it's weird that they'd take them away from Toralei.. hm.

The bug/baby things that come with Treesa are... weird. Treesa doesn't interest me much (she's cool, just not my thing) but I love her little heart "tattoo" :D The insect girls are.. hm.. I'm not sure what to make of them. If their clothes are at all removable then that'll be great, but if they're completely molded to their bodies then I'm not sure I'll be interested.. plastic clothes I can deal with, they can be swapped out w/ real ones if need be, but molded clothes, you're stuck with. :s (Well, unless you get creative, I suppose, but you know what I mean :P) I'll wait and see about those, I guess.

Those new promo photos have made me really excited for this Toralei, though. :D I already wanted her but now I'm excited for her! I haven't felt like this about MH in a while ^_^.

Twyla's bow is really a little moth and that's the cutest thing I've seen all week. I'm seriously considering buying her now. Wonder if they're just giving her little smoke whisps instead of the fuller paint like they did before

Also, I'm still lovin Cleo and her scarab wings. I'll never be over that.

I like Twyla! If she had the pre-reboot eyes I'd like her a lot more but I still like her the best from this line. Toralei is nice too, those are awesome wings, but her nose has paint now like the other werecats and I am not sure I like it. Not interested in Cleo. Still need to see them in person to decide for sure.

I love that toralei! Her hair is amazing and i love the little under-eye spots on her makeup! Also, I'm really happy that crimped hair seems to be making a comeback. I didn't appreciate it enough on my dolls when it was in vogue. :P

WOW! The bug girls and Treesa are amazing. This whole line is pretty great tbh.I still looove that dragonfly girl, even with the molded clothes. I hope they're rubbery like the Megabloks clothes so you can at least bend them or whatever for sitting.

I wonder what's with the stuff hanging off Treesa though. We've seen like three different sets of things that are supposed to hang off her. First, the bug girls were supposed to, because Treesa was the playset aswell as a doll. Then, it was all those weird little bug baby mini things. And now, random bugs and flowers?

Also I wonder what those little toadstool things (I dunno what they really are but toadstools feels close enough) are. Stands or seats of some kind? They're neat!

I'm starting to worry maybe it got scrapped or whatever else... I hope not!!Or maybe the wait just seems unbearably long because I'm interested in it? xD

I remember seeing comments earlier also that Toralei's nose is weirding some people out now cause she never had one. I'm actually used to it honestly! Every Toralei I've gotten, so just two so far, I've painted noses on her. It actually looks exactly the same as the one in the photos, even the same brown! I'm pretty happy they actually finally gave her a cat nose honestly. I was actually weirded out that she DIDN'T have a nose before, lol! She looked so out of place with the other werecats, hence why I painted mine.

Wait. Is Toralei missing the orange patch over her one eye? Or am I blind?

... not sure how I feel about the nose paint on her, either. I'm so used to her being the one werecat without it, that it's throwing me off.

As for the others, not super keen on these, still. :(

Twyla's stock is cute, but I'm missing her shadows. That sad little vine on her arm just doesn't cut it for me. Cleo's is so-so. I love the Scarab wings and the shoes, but the sunglasses and dress are a bit meh.

Woah that's a long description. It's good that she comes with the bugs but I like the prototype bugs a little better, they were more detailed. I still want to get her, I love the tall dolls. It does appear she is covering in glitter and it mentions that in the description.

i wonder if the wings go into the back of the doll or if its attached to the dress?

I think they're like the wings/fins on the GSR dolls. In this pic of Toralei, you can see a white knob where the wing is attached, possibly to make them posable?(http://68.media.tumblr.com/db39fb571282caf67335e386fbd664e2/tumblr_ona1kj4Fky1vixp4ho2_1280.jpg)

I still think she shares a sculpt with Jinafire but with wood texture added to it! She's cute but her dress is so bland. I'm not a huge fan of the color choice for it, either. I feel like it clashes with the rest of her very badly. I really do love the concept of a giant tree girl though.

I imagine 'Garden Ghouls' was less scary to test market parents than 'Garden of Frights' - in a fairy & princess-friendly world. Probably also why Treesa's add-ons were changed to 'garden charms' rather than bugs with faces. Less creepy/scary for parents. :biggrin:

Personally I do like the garden charms a bit more than the bugs with faces, especially the spider web one. Cool!

WOW! I saw someone post her to the FB group, she is indeed glitter-free. I might be the only one bummed about that! xD I love glitter! Even if it wasn't very naturey of her.

I can't believe I missed her on Amazon! I've been circling like a shark to keep track of Treesa, the little dragonfly fairy girl, and the new Ku Ku Harajukus because I'm waiting for Music to decide if I want to bite the bullet and buy G and Love, too. (I think I know the answer... I'm weak. xD)

Only one is on there now for- jesus- $60!! Third party seller, no doubt.

I always plan to take photos of my dolls outside but never do. (I have to admit, my arachnophobia really deters me. Our backyard is chock full of like every kind of spider in North America, and since they kinda rule the roost back there they get huge. *gulp*) Treesa might finally kick my butt in gear, because with out backyard so crazy full of trees and flowers and foliage, how could I -not!- And uh, if she gets a spider on her, it adds to the nature photos? xD (But what you won't see is me behind the scenes yelling for my boyfriend, "THERE'S A SPIDER ON THE DOLL HELPPPP") ((I've always said the only doll I'd laugh to see a spider on would be Wydona. I'd have to swallow my screams for half a second to snap a photo of them, that doesn't show the spider's face, and -then- be free to freak out))

I'd love to take some photos of her outside in her tree stump, with Venus watering her...

I know, that's what kinda added to Treesa's charm IMO. It's sad to see Mattel striving to keep any hint of anything that might be even the slightest bit scary or dark away from the dolls, IMO it's like tearing the heart out of MH.

Seeing this Cleo makes me sad. I'm not keen on the dress, but maybe it'll grow (no pun intended) on me? I may get Toralei.

The new pictures of Treesa make me really excited for her. I feel like the growing gimmick is nicely done and her design's really growing on me. I think I'm gonna make a few tweaks to mine if I end up getting her though.

I wonder if we're gonna get any more media for this line though? We did get that one stop-motion webisode, but that just introduced Treesa, I'm hoping they'll do more to promote the Garden Ghouls and bug pixies.

The torso looks horrible in it's extended position. And the wing mechanism housing on her back is going to severely limit redressing. (I was really hoping that those viney wings were detachable. But to find out that they're permanently attached, a part of the growing mechanism, and concealed beneath a bulky, ugly birdhouse... no thank you.)

And this is just a personal drawback, but I was originally hopeful that she would be compatible with the 17" dolls, and that doesn't look to be the case. She looks proportionally the same as Cedar, just taller. But again, I'm so unimpressed with this doll that I wouldn't be buying her even if she were 17 inches.

It is nice to see that she's not glittery. And that little playset inside the tree truck is adorable. I almost wish that they had skipped the doll and focused on a really nice, detailed tree truck playset instead.

Thanks for the heads-up!! Unfortunately mine only had Cleo (literally there were like 5-6 Cleos on the shelf -_-) but ah well, better luck next time ;) I agree, it does look like they have the G2 Venus bodies..

OH and they had Treesa too! For some reason she was in the clearance section (there were several there so I don't think it was a mistake, maybe there just wasn't room on the MH shelves for her?) so if anyone's looking for her, you might want to check there if she's not in the actual MH aisle. She's interesting, still doesn't interest me though. Her face is kind of.. off, I can't really explain why. Kind of flat looking? She reminds me of an EAH almost, it's hard to explain.

It's nice to see her, though ^^ There haven't been any new MH in stores over here in aaaages (or at least it feels like it) so it's nice to see something new.

Thanks for the heads-up!! Unfortunately mine only had Cleo (literally there were like 5-6 Cleos on the shelf -_-) but ah well, better luck next time ;) I agree, it does look like they have the G2 Venus bodies..

I'm positive the bodies themselves are the same but they changed the joint pieces. I imagine the new joints are more sturdy but the gappyness isn't pretty. The unarticulated ones actually look better.

I do kinda like Treesa, and the growing mechanism is nice, but I can see how I could get bored with it after a while. It should not be permanent. I just hope someone will figure out how to remove the gimmick without breaking it.

I do kinda like Treesa, and the growing mechanism is nice, but I can see how I could get bored with it after a while. It should not be permanent. I just hope someone will figure out how to remove the gimmick without breaking it.

I second this. I really wanted her until I learned that mechanism is permanent.

I got Toralei yesterday, she's really lovely!! It's weird seeing her with a cat nose, but I like it :) Mine's tail keeps falling out though, guh.

Her arms are weird.. definitely seem less poseable than the G1s. I don't remember SW Catrine having arms like this either (admittedly it has been a while since I've checked though - can't get to my MHs atm) so it looks like Tora does have G2 Venus arms. :( They look pretty bad, too - joints are too noticeable. Oh well.

Also mine has 4 small holes in her legs?? Does anyone else have a doll like this? Never noticed it before.. is it part of the new body mold or did I just get a weird one or something?

(http://kittieoflife.com/mh/ggtoraleilegs1-1.png)(she has one on her inner right leg too, a bit to the side of her knee joint, but I forgot to get a pic of that)

I dunno why people are calling them G2 Venus bodies when they don't have the molded vines she has. I think they should be called permanent hand bodies. I kinda understand why since the hands are lost so much by kids. I just wish they found a better way besides just increasing the peg sizes because it doesn't look great. I'll probably get used to it but still. And it makes me a little sad that the hands are permanent now. Does this mean the end of tight sleeves since there is no way to get them over the hands?

So their wrists aren't even removable?! I didn't realize, omg :( That's gonna really limit redressing.. I'm not a redresser myself, but it's always nice to have the option there, you know?

Well I think with the non-removablehands they use a different mold so the fingers aren't splayed out which was (I think) the main reason they needed to be removable in the first place. So maybe redressing is still an option?Idk I feel like we need someone to do a thorough review of all these new molds lol

has anyone seen a listing for the smaller "bug" girls anywhere? I did a search on Amazon and couldn't find anything...(by this I mean the 9 inch or so dolls, NOT the lil things that hang in Tressa's branches)

has anyone seen a listing for the smaller "bug" girls anywhere? I did a search on Amazon and couldn't find anything...(by this I mean the 9 inch or so dolls, NOT the lil things that hang in Tressa's branches)

I've been stalking too and haven't seen them yet, but they're mentioned in Treesa's description so I know they haven't been axed. They were called "Garden Ghouls winged critters" in her description.

has anyone seen a listing for the smaller "bug" girls anywhere? I did a search on Amazon and couldn't find anything...(by this I mean the 9 inch or so dolls, NOT the lil things that hang in Tressa's branches)

:biggrin: Don't care how hideous the rubber skirts on those bug girls are/aren't! As far as I'm concerned, as long as the bee girl is named "Beetrice" and not "Beeanca", I'm getting her. Waited long enough for Monster High to pun my first name.

Here are some close-up pix of the bug girls from All About Monster High:https://monsterhighactually.blogspot.com/2017/07/winged-critters.html (https://monsterhighactually.blogspot.com/2017/07/winged-critters.html)

Their skin and tops look kind of shimmery, perhaps pearlescent? If so, I like it. Makes them seem a bit more special.

The joints are shoddy, they have little holes in them, and excess plastic that hasn't been cut off. Not to mention the eye wonk.

I'm disappointed with the low quality as well - when I saw them I thought they were one of the best designs that came after the reboot, and even considered getting Twyla or Toralei. Now I'm not sure if I would get any of these... I still like the idea and the clothes they have, though.

Has anyone seen these in stores? Since these are likely my last chance to hunt down MH dolls in the wild before they're gone, I'd prefer to hunt for them rather than just order them online :cry: I have been waiting for fairy-esque dolls since day one of collecting!

Has anyone seen these in stores? Since these are likely my last chance to hunt down MH dolls in the wild before they're gone, I'd prefer to hunt for them rather than just order them online :cry: I have been waiting for fairy-esque dolls since day one of collecting!

Someone on Tumblr posted pictures of the girls and said they were on Amazon for preorder, but I only found them on Mattel Shop and Walmart. :|http://dollystrange.tumblr.com/post/163634743522/guys-i-know-were-supposed-to-be-mad-at-mattel

Someone on Tumblr posted pictures of the girls and said they were on Amazon for preorder, but I only found them on Mattel Shop and Walmart. :|http://dollystrange.tumblr.com/post/163634743522/guys-i-know-were-supposed-to-be-mad-at-mattel

So uh. I got Wingrid recently and. Uh.(http://i.imgur.com/L9gBh4c.jpg)What is the purpose of this very awkwardly-placed skirt hole, exactly? :what:

I think it's because her and the pink one have the same skirt mold and the pink one might have a detachable insect butt/tail. I know the bee does since I got her today but looking at the back of her package the pink one does seem to have a firefly tail?

side note, I'm surprised at how tiny and cute these girls are in person, it's adorable :blush:

So my Target had Twyla and Cleo...I would have liked to see Toralei but oh well...

Cleo looked nice, but Twyla...Ooh, she had a very unfortunate case of wonk. She had mega wall-eyes and they must have been misprinted or something, since they looked like they were bugging out of her face! I know they're supposed to be insect-based but I think that's taking it a bit too far XD

I saw the dolls for the first time at Target today. Two Treesas, one of each of the main three dolls, and one Wingrid. After seeing how tiny the pixies are, I now really want Beetrice, but she and Lumina weren't there.

Has anyone seen these in stores? Since these are likely my last chance to hunt down MH dolls in the wild before they're gone, I'd prefer to hunt for them rather than just order them online :cry: I have been waiting for fairy-esque dolls since day one of collecting!

I have yet to encounter a Lumina in person myself. Usually the nearest Target has a couple of Wingrids at the most, hence I was quite surprised to find a lone Beetrice there once. I'm just glad I was able to nab her then and there.

I haven't seen any of the bugs in stores near me, but I was out of town the other day and stopped by a Target that had just put them out, so I grabbed all three. There were 5 Wingrids, 1 Beetrice, and 2 Luminas, so the case assortments do seem a bit inconsistent.

huh, so I guess the distribution on this line is just really weird then

More like every MH line. I've yet to see one that had logical distribution across the board. Especially for deluxe or exclusive releases, which seem to scatter extra oddly.

I still remember the Great Rochelle Exodus for Haunted. How Australia ended up with everybody else's stock, I'll never understand.

More like toys in general. All it takes is the main retailers in the US to say "pass" on a line for the company to start scrambling to find international buyers so they can at least recoup development costs.

It's still weirder than anything MH has done in the past. The lines have 3 dolls and yet the cases only have 2 dolls. I wonder if the stores were refusing to carry them if the case size was bigger than 2.

Well if someone in the US finds a Lumina and could pick her up for me, I'd be ever so grateful!!!!! I'm not sure where else to look for her! TIA!

She was basically at all of the Target's I went to this weekend..... now to remember which ones they were. ^^; LOL But yeah, I'll stop by one (or two) on my way home today and see if she's still there.

She was basically at all of the Target's I went to this weekend..... now to remember which ones they were. ^^; LOL But yeah, I'll stop by one (or two) on my way home today and see if she's still there.