Though you left this topic. By the way, can you help we with some opinions on Galaxy Note 8.9 (a middle-size one that makes phone call) against full-size Galaxy 10.1?

It's almost New Year, my bank manager who helped out my family business for 41 years is about to retire. The old fella need something bettr than a gold watch. With the Great Flood and economy being what it is, I am not supposed to fork out for iPad2, still around ฿24,000 from Bangkok scalpers and the official imports won't begin until January. Galaxy Note start at only ฿16,900 with Smart Cover replica. How good Galaxy tabs get now if all he does are Facebooking, emails and watching online TV, no apps and never carry it out of a house?

7-inch Galaxy no longer sold new in Thailand and Samsung now started with this Note model. Both of them comes with Samsung bluetooth keyboard if I go there before 26 Dec.

Depression does funny things to Thais you know. Especially this lifetime bean counter I am going to give him a present. i-products somehow acquired a stigma of being expensive an giving ones away for presents gives out a bad impression of being careless with your money. Samsung and Android handsets don't have such stigma.

Apple stuff being viewed in recession-hit Thailand as a blinged-up things and the owner being careless with money in the time everyone tightening the belt. Cultural quirk, yeah, but I live here and have to work with it.

I happen to own both the Galaxy Tab 10.1 and 8.9 (as well as a dozen or so other tablet devices), and of all the non-Apple ones, the Galaxy Tab 8.9 is by far my favorite.

Though it lacks on-board storage expansion, it easily offers the best/brightest display quality, lightest weight, smoothest Android performance, and ergonomic balance superior to any tablet device currently on the market.... It's an outstanding choice, and one he'll likely enjoy for years to come - Especially given that it's to be one of the first devices to be upgraded to Android 4.0/ICS.

Just because some of us can enjoy owning Apple products (as well as others) without behaving like brainwashed cult-members, is hardly grounds for such administrative action.

I, personally, have more than substantiated any/every claim that I have ever made within this forum, often in great detail due to my extensive personal ownership/experience with almost everything about which I post, yet I still have to endure constant personal attacks and utter ignorance from the likes of you, even when proving you, and numerous others, indisputably wrong on every level.

What you need to do is realize that there those in here who choose to 'Think Different' than you, and you taking offense to said fact, Is Your Problem.

Is that an iPad? It certainly looks 4:3 at that angle and all the design marks of an iPad.

Just a observation: In advertising, iPads, Kindle Fires, and some 7" cheapo-Android tablets from Coby and Pandigital are frequently shown in portrait mode, while larger Honeycomb tablets (Galaxy Tab and Xoom), as well as TouchPad and PlayBooks are usually shown in landscape mode. Methinks 16:9 looks weird in portrait mode. Anecdotally, this also holds true for the few non-iPad tablets I've seen in use: I've never seen Xoom owners use their tablet in portrait.

Here's the latest ad from Sam's Club.
Why is this lady holding an iPad for a Galaxy ad?

What exactly leads you to such a conclusion ?

Fact: The Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1/8.9 both feature a much more rounded corner radii than the iPad, in addition to a much more rounded edge chamfer, just like the device featured in the ad.

If both the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 and the iPad are viewed at a similar angle to the device in the picture, hardly any of the silver-colored bezel-surround would be visible, whereas with the Samsung Galaxy Tab much more of the aforementioned can be seen... Just as it is on the device in the ad.

Interesting... Please do tell when/where did I post this exact same picture anywhere within this article comment section, or any other forum/article in reference to this Sam's Club ad?

HINT: you might want to check the EXIF data before further making a fool of yourself. ;-)

LOL. You know this is about you posting photos of corners. Even if the posted pictures are different files. You're just trying to make the same argument over and over again. Using different files of corners doesn't absolve you of repeating yourself

LOL. You know this is about you posting photos of corners. Even if the posted pictures are different files. You're just trying to make the same argument over and over again. Using different files of corners doesn't absolve you of repeating yourself

How about you cease with the excessive use of emoticons like some 12 year girl texting her latest BFF and make an attempt at adding something rational/relevant to the conversation for a change.

Anyway... It'll be interesting to see how this all pans out, but in the meantime, it's nice to know that there's some semblance of sanity in the US justice system.

Patent Reform is desperately needed to prevent these kind of nonsensical claims in the future, regardless of from where they originate.

I happen to own both the Galaxy Tab 10.1 and 8.9 (as well as a dozen or so other tablet devices), and of all the non-Apple ones, the Galaxy Tab 8.9 is by far my favorite.

Though it lacks on-board storage expansion, it easily offers the best/brightest display quality, lightest weight, smoothest Android performance, and ergonomic balance superior to any tablet device currently on the market.... It's an outstanding choice, and one he'll likely enjoy for years to come - Especially given that it's to be one of the first devices to be upgraded to Android 4.0/ICS.

Thank you. The old fella has an allergic to earbud rubber so built-in speaker and microphone is a must. And 5-inch Note will not arrive until Feb 2012. So 8.9 Note then.

On a side note, is the 5-inch Galaxy Note a Samsung' attempt to gauge how far the iPhone form can be enlarge without sacrificing ergnomics? Thanks to them, we now know that the largest screen real estate that can be streched on iPhone 3 shape and size is 4-inch. Any larger then you have to either make it bigger with the same propotion (Galaxy Tab Note), or make it longer (Acer Iconia).

Nice to see that someone else can pick up Apple's slack on ergonomic experiments.

Thank you. The old fella has an allergic to earbud rubber so built-in speaker and microphone is a must. And 5-inch Note will not arrive until Feb 2012. So 8.9 Note then.

On a side note, is the 5-inch Galaxy Note a Samsung' attempt to gauge how far the iPhone form can be enlarge without sacrificing ergnomics? Thanks to them, we now know that the largest screen real estate that can be streched on iPhone 3 shape and size is 4-inch. Any larger then you have to either make it bigger with the same propotion (Galaxy Tab Note), or make it longer (Acer Iconia).

Nice to see that someone else can pick up Apple's slack on ergonomic experiments.

Apple's slack on ergonomic experiments? That's hilarious.

The difference, of course, is that Apple does its experiments in the lab on the thousands of prototype products that they've developed. Samsung and most of the competitors do their experiments by making a couple million units and shipping them - and HOPE that the customers like them.

"I'm way over my head when it comes to technical issues like this"Gatorguy 5/31/13

That's one way you can observe your customers. Rather old-fashioned and needs lots of time and money but without The Messiah to tell good from bad, this is the best option Samsung and Acer got. What sales and what sucks will be told at cash registers, not labs like Apple uses.

Asian companies learn how to do things this way. Like learn how to swim by jumping into the ocean; to theory class, no dry run, just go ahead and hope not to die.

And why is it bad for Apple to lt someone else try similar ideas they might have, then sit down and observe it from real life laboratory and pick up useful data from it? You can take only so much data from lab rat, eventually you will need human subjects. If Samsung and Acer are willing to run this and Apple get to watch, why not?

Apple is obviously just being anti-competitve, abusing the legal system to try and block competitors for frivolous reasons. Boycott Them!

Another moronic comment. When intellectual property rights are violated, they have to be protected. Apple has already lost millions in legal fees. If you can't see the identical nature of the two devices, then you are living under a rock.

I happen to own both the Galaxy Tab 10.1 and 8.9 (as well as a dozen or so other tablet devices), and of all the non-Apple ones, the Galaxy Tab 8.9 is by far my favorite.

Though it lacks on-board storage expansion, it easily offers the best/brightest display quality, lightest weight, smoothest Android performance, and ergonomic balance superior to any tablet device currently on the market.... It's an outstanding choice, and one he'll likely enjoy for years to come - Especially given that it's to be one of the first devices to be upgraded to Android 4.0/ICS.

Still not happy with the Android performance on any of the tablets. I had a chance to play with the Sony one this weekend, and the same problems occur, from laggy interface issues, sloppy scrolling, and confusing layout. The platform is also fragmented, which is going to lead to even more instability and poor user experience. Same thing happened to Microsoft with their Windows Mobile platform. It's only a matter of time so I wouldn't waste the money until another viable alternative comes along.

Another moronic comment. When intellectual property rights are violated, they have to be protected. Apple has already lost millions in legal fees. If you can't see the identical nature of the two devices, then you are living under a rock.

Still not happy with the Android performance on any of the tablets. I had a chance to play with the Sony one this weekend, and the same problems occur, from laggy interface issues, sloppy scrolling, and confusing layout. The platform is also fragmented, which is going to lead to even more instability and poor user experience. Same thing happened to Microsoft with their Windows Mobile platform. It's only a matter of time so I wouldn't waste the money until another viable alternative comes along.

Another moronic comment. When intellectual property rights are violated, they have to be protected. Apple has already lost millions in legal fees. If you can't see the identical nature of the two devices, then you are living under a rock.

Another moronic comment from from the Apple-blind fanatics. If you have absolutely no idea what the word 'identical' means, Then Don't Use it!

Another moronic comment from from the Apple-blind fanatics. If you have absolutely no idea what the word 'identical' means, Then Don't Use it!

Retail sales injunctions were granted against Samsung in Australia and Germany, so I would presume that those courts of law understand what identical means. Maybe you should invest in a dictionary yourself, or at the very least, a reading comprehension class.

Not only my choice, but hard based facts. Android will slowly open source itself to death. I welcome competition, as its good competition, but making promises that the software can't keep is ingenious.

OK - so you have had the chance to use them and study them up close. Do you think that the copying accusations leveled against Samsung are completely unfounded, that they have copied to some extent but within the boundaries of common practice, or that they have actually overstepped the mark in some areas?

To put it another way - are you just trying to balance the other side of the argument in threads like this, or do you fundamentally disagree that Apple should be trying to defend any of these patents, trade dress etc.?

OK - so you have had the chance to use them and study them up close. Do you think that the copying accusations leveled against Samsung are completely unfounded, that they have copied to some extent but within the boundaries of common practice, or that they have actually overstepped the mark in some areas?

To put it another way - are you just trying to balance the other side of the argument in threads like this, or do you fundamentally disagree that Apple should be trying to defend any of these patents, trade dress etc.?

The biggest problem with all of this is that Apple should never have been granted such general/generic patents, and chances are the legal system will make sure that no one ever does again.

I'm curious what your view is too as well as your rationale, since you're one on the very few here who have extensive experience with both OS's on so many devices.

Disappointed, but, on reflection, not that surprised. DaHarder's posts tend to hammer on repetitively with very narrow talking points, rather than engage the wider questions. That answer came across as simply evasive, which is a shame because I'd really like to hear his honest opinion.

Disappointed, but, on reflection, not that surprised. DaHarder's posts tend to hammer on repetitively with very narrow talking points, rather than engage the wider questions. That answer came across as simply evasive, which is a shame because I'd really like to hear his honest opinion.

Honestly... I really don't care if you're 'disappointed' or not, as I feel absolutely zero obligation to any of you hostile, closed-minded, brand-biased, talking-point-spewing cronies that likely just received your first iPod Touch 8gb for your 12th birthday and all of a sudden think that you're gadget experts.

FACT: I merely offered a brief answer to the questions to be reflective of the fact that I don't care which company behaves in the manner that Apple has, It's Wrong, and I find it Anti-Compeptive... which mirrors my position throughout this article's comment section.

Anyway... To answer your specific questions:

-- Do you think that the copying accusations leveled against Samsung are completely unfounded:

No, and I never said as much, only that Apple should never have been granted the rights to such general/generic design elements in the first place.

-- That they (Samsung) have copied to some extent but within the boundaries of common practice:

Absolutely Not... Samsung had numerous devices, as did other companies, that had the general design characteristic of the iPad/iPad2 long before (many years in most cases) either device was ever seen/released.

-- That they (Samsung) have actually overstepped the mark in some areas:

No.. They haven't, given that the majority of the allegations are (again) so general/generic that essentially ALL modern touch-screen devices share them.

What a strange response. You join a discussion group and then get offended when I ask your opinion? While you certainly shouldn't feel obligated to anyone, if you are just here to pontificate, rather than interacting, then your contributions really are as pointless as your critics keep saying. I thought there might be more to it - my apologies for being interested. I don't care if you care whether I'm disappointed any more than you care what I think. Mutual disregard is fine if that's what you want.

There are definitely some closed-minded contributors on this site, but two observations: (1) not everyone is, as the range of posts attests to, and (2) you don't help your argument by appearing completely closed-minded yourself much of the time. Sorry - disregard - as you keep saying, you don't care.

Thanks, though, for trying to elaborate, although your apparent assumption that I was trying to put words in your mouth was incorrect - I was trying to get you to say what you thought. It didn't really help anyway, since you appear to claim contradictory positions in your answers: no - you don't think the copying claims are unfounded, and no, you don't think that they have copied at all.

Probably not worth continuing this conversation as the thread is old and you have already answered my more fundamental question.

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Originally Posted by DaHarder

Honestly... I really don't care if you're 'disappointed' or not, as I feel absolutely zero obligation to any of you hostile, closed-minded, brand-biased, talking-point-spewing cronies that likely just received your first iPod Touch 8gb for your 12th birthday and all of a sudden think that you're gadget experts.

FACT: I merely offered a brief answer to the questions to be reflective of the fact that I don't care which company behaves in the manner that Apple has, It's Wrong, and I find it Anti-Compeptive... which mirrors my position throughout this article's comment section.

Anyway... To answer your specific questions:

-- Do you think that the copying accusations leveled against Samsung are completely unfounded:

No, and I never said as much, only that Apple should never have been granted the rights to such general/generic design elements in the first place.

-- That they (Samsung) have copied to some extent but within the boundaries of common practice:

Absolutely Not... Samsung had numerous devices, as did other companies, that had the general design characteristic of the iPad/iPad2 long before (many years in most cases) either device was ever seen/released.

-- That they (Samsung) have actually overstepped the mark in some areas:

No.. They haven't, given that the majority of the allegations are (again) so general/generic that essentially ALL modern touch-screen devices share them.

What a strange response. You join a discussion group and then get offended when I ask your opinion? While you certainly shouldn't feel obligated to anyone, if you are just here to pontificate, rather than interacting, then your contributions really are as pointless as your critics keep saying. I thought there might be more to it - my apologies for being interested. I don't care if you care whether I'm disappointed any more than you care what I think. Mutual disregard is fine if that's what you want.

There are definitely some closed-minded contributors on this site, but two observations: (1) not everyone is, as the range of posts attests to, and (2) you don't help your argument by appearing completely closed-minded yourself much of the time. Sorry - disregard - as you keep saying, you don't care.

Thanks, though, for trying to elaborate, although your apparent assumption that I was trying to put words in your mouth was incorrect - I was trying to get you to say what you thought. It didn't really help anyway, since you appear to claim contradictory positions in your answers: no - you don't think the copying claims are unfounded, and no, you don't think that they have copied at all.

Probably not worth continuing this conversation as the thread is old and you have already answered my more fundamental question.

Given that I'd essentially addressed your various inquiries throughout this thread/article, I simply felt no need to reiterate every single point simply because you failed to do your own research.

Of anyone on AI, I am likely the least 'closed minded' of them all as I do own/use/appreciate dozens-upon-dozens of Apple products but in no, way, shape or form conform the the 'Cult of Apple' mentality so pervasive on Apple sites which dictates that no unkind word be spoken of their 'beloved' Apple - even when warranted.

My answer is what it is, and I stand behind it 100%... e.g. Yes, there are similarities between all of these touch-screen devices, and NO - Apple should never have been granted rights to such general/generic design elements in the first place.

If those responses are not to your liking... TOUGH! The world does not revolve around your every thought, and belief on these matters - No matter how much you (subtly) try to denigrate and belittle said responses.

Better, but I still don't get what you are attacking me for. I haven't even expressed my opinion on the subject, let alone implied that I regard my opinion as important, so what's with your aggressive last paragraph when all I did was ask for your opinion on a couple of specific questions? Are you just assuming that I will disagree with you? Or are you offended that I suggested that you don't engage much - is that the "belittling and denigrating" that you referred to? Or just over-sensitive because you think everyone is against you here? You claim to be open-minded - owning and appreciating Apple products, but I can't recall a single pro-Apple post of yours. Can you? It's hard to maintain that credibility if your posts are uniformly one-sided. And anyway - given your very low opinion of the inhabitants of this site, why are you even posting here? A little introspection might help.

Anyway - I had read the entire thread before I posted, and no, you had not addressed those questions in my opinion, which is why I posed them. The content of nearly all your posts comprised (as usual) photos or references to products or concepts that you think constitute prior art or design separation on quite specific aspects of the copying debate, or complaints about the granting of over-broad rights. That's fine. I understand your position on the legal/rights issues. What I had never seen you post, here, or before for that matter, was an actual simple opinion on whether you thought Samsung/Google had in any way copied Apple, legally addressable or not. Whether the hardware or hardware/software combination was too close or not. Basically whether you think there is any merit in the accusations of copying (as opposed to the lawsuits and patent disputes). I view those as questions as distinctly different questions.

So now you have answered half the question, sort of. You think there are similarities. No surprise there. But the basic question remains - "do you think Samsung copied Apple"? - not "should Apple have been granted those rights"? I'm still curious, but coming to the realization that you don't want to answer that one. No problem.

I'm with you to some extent on the over-broadness of the rights. However, if Apple believe, as obviously they do, that Samsung copied Apple's products to an unreasonable degree in order to try to capitalize on some of Apple's success, it would probably be foolish of them, if not downright negligent, as a publicly traded company, not to use the legal avenues that are open to them to protect their product identities. Different issue.

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Originally Posted by DaHarder

Given that I'd essentially addressed your various inquiries throughout this thread/article, I simply felt no need to reiterate every single point simply because you failed to do your own research.

Of anyone on AI, I am likely the least 'closed minded' of them all as I do own/use/appreciate dozens-upon-dozens of Apple products but in no, way, shape or form conform the the 'Cult of Apple' mentality so pervasive on Apple sites which dictates that no unkind word be spoken of their 'beloved' Apple - even when warranted.

My answer is what it is, and I stand behind it 100%... e.g. Yes, there are similarities between all of these touch-screen devices, and NO - Apple should never have been granted rights to such general/generic design elements in the first place.

If those responses are not to your liking... TOUGH! The world does not revolve around your every thought, and belief on these matters - No matter how much you (subtly) try to denigrate and belittle said responses.