Reincarnation (old plan), Resurrection (new plan)?

[Question]How do we tell who's still in the original God's plan and who's in the new one?

Can we like choose the path of rebirth instead of waiting in limbo for Christ's return?

[Answer]Good question. The answer is both. On the website I call the Sabbath and the Resurrection as part of the amended plan of God.

The seven day week has a dual role. One role is to remind us of the seven days that God (Elohim) took to repair the Earth and establish a special day so we can commune with him (The Sabbath)

The second role is it is a weekly reminder of the seven thousand year plan of God to permanently repair the spiritual damage caused by the rebellion of Lucifer. This is explained very clearly in The Epistle of Barnabus #13

God can look forward into time and see consequences and make adjustments to prevent certain things and or to make sure certain things occur. See Genesis 11. It records that God confused the language of men to prevent them from advancing too fast.

The Resurrection is also a way God will make adjustments in the future. There will be two resurrections. One at Christ's return and one at the end of the thousand year reign of Christ. See Revelation 20

There are actually four components to the amended plan of God. 1]Reincarnation (part of the original plan) 2]Sabbath (make it easier to commune with God while Satan still rules the world. 3]Christ (sacrifice and later his 1,000 year reign and 4]Resurrection (Judgement for all that have ever lived.)

The second resurrection is the key. Revelation 20 shows that all will be judged and Revelation 21 shows the results of the judgement.

The good get to participate in the new heaven and new earth and the vile, evil ones are thrown into the lake of fire and tormented eternally. The almost universal assumption is that those that participate in the new heaven and new earth are participating as spiritual beings. But this is not so. By allowing the Bible to interpret the Bible one can know exactly what is coming. By reading Isaiah 65:17-25 one can read a prophecy God revelaed to Isaiah explaining how the new heaven and new earth will be the land of the physical. God reveals to Isaiah that his people will live as long as trees and that someone who only lives one hundred years is accursed.

One of the Keys to Prophecy that I have not added to the prophecy section of the website is the concept known as duality. This principal of Duality is present in the repair job currently being worked out. The seven day week represents two repair jobs. The first one is the physical repair necessary to allow life to flourish on the earth. The seven day week also represents the seven thousand year plan of God to restore the Earth to spiritual health. Here is a quick overview of what the Holy Days represent as physical symbols of the actual spiritual plan of God being worked out on Earth.

[Question] I am confused. People would be resurrected as flesh, mortal beings? Even if they live much longer, I still don't understant the bother of resurrecting billions of people just to let them die a few hundred years later?

Is this "good news" ? "Yes, you will live again, but die again? And then no more resurrection/reincarntation?"
What will happen to people when they die after the second ressurection? No offense intended, but I find the thought of ceasing to exist forever a very bad news, not a good one.

Another part of the site speaks of ressurection as spiritual beings, and this part speaks of ressurection as mortal, flesh beings.

Did I miss something that could clarify this?

[Answer]

Reincarnation Millenium

Question: You said that during the Millenial Reign of Christ that anyone
who hadn't† accepted The Messiah - Buddhist,
Native American, Pagan, Orthodox Jew,†
whatever - would be given the chance to accept him, and wouldn't go to
hell.† I've never seen you - or anyone - show
this to me using scripture, though I've always believed it in my
heart.

Answer: The traditional Christian view is that only those who have accepted Christ as their personal saviour will go to heaven and everyone else will go to hell.† Further restricting the
scope, their are several churches that teach they "are the one true church"
and only by fellowhipping with them is your eternal life with Christ protected
and assured.

Further limiting the number of people who can go to heaven is the fact
that people have lived and died for about 4,000 years before Christ was born.† At this point you have to wonder why an all
powerful God is so limited in getting people into the Kingdom of God

The answer to the question is called the plan of God.† Christ plays a pivotal role in repairing the
damage done by Satan to the original plan of God. †In the original plan of God those seeking God
would realize that their source and being was from God and that their was a
path to achieve union once again.

This is the information Satan does not want you to know.† First of all Satan does not want you to know
that your soul has an eternal pre-existence and was originally in perfect union
with God.†

God spoke of Jeremiahs pre-existence.

Jeremiah 11 The words of Jeremiah son of Hilkiah, one of the priests at
Anathoth in the territory of Benjamin. 2 The word of the Lord came
to him in the thirteenth year of the reign of Josiah son of Amon king of Judah,
3 and through the reign of Jehoiakim son of Josiah king of Judah,
down to the fifth month of the eleventh year of Zedekiah son of Josiah king of
Judah, when the people of Jerusalem went into exile.

The Call of Jeremiah 4 The word of the Lord came to me, saying, 5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew [1] you,
before you were born I set you apart;
I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."

6 "Ah, Sovereign Lord ," I said, "I do not know
how to speak; I am only a child." 7 But the Lord said to me, "Do not say, 'I am only a child.'
You must go to everyone I send you to and say whatever I command you. 8
Do not be afraid of them, for I am with you and will rescue you," declares
the Lord .

Satan does not want you to know that because you are of God, you never
cease to exist even during death.† Your
path to God is by living a series of lives, each life living more holy and
righteous than before

Satan has turned that upside down because every life in the past 100
years is more likely to engage in evil and lose progress toward God instead of
toward God.

God put in place a plan spanning 7,000 that will ultimately overcome the
negative and evil momentum that Satan is manifesting in our world today.

The Epistle of Barnabus explains it very well.

The Epistle of Barnabas
Chapter 13

[1] Furthermore it is written
concerning the sabbath, in the Ten Commandments, which God spake in the Mount
Sinai to Moses, face to face; Sanctify the sabbath of the Lord with pure hands,
and with a clean heart.

[2] And elsewhere he saith; If thy children shall keep my sabbaths, then
will I put my mercy upon them.

[3] And even in the beginning of the creation he makes mention of the
sabbath. And God made in six days the works of his hands; and he finished them
on the seventh day, and he rested the seventh day, and sanctified it.

[4] Consider, my children, what that signifies, he finished them in six
days. The meaning of it is this; that in six thousand years the Lord God will
bring all things to an end.

[5] For with him one day is a thousand years; as himself testifieth,
saying, Behold this day shall be as a thousand years. Therefore, children, in
six days, that is, in six thousands years, shall all things be accomplished.

[6] And what is that he saith, And he rested the seventh day; he meaneth
this; that when his Son shall come, and abolish the season of the Wicked One,
and judge the ungodly; and shall change the sun and the moon, and the stars;
then he shall gloriously rest in the seventh day.

The sabbath represents the coming 1,000 year reign of Christ . This One
Thousand Year Reign of Christ, which the Apostle John also wrote of in
Revelation, is prophecied in the Old Testament as well.

Chapter 20 of Revelation discusses the entire framework of prophecy for
the next 1,100 years or so.

Revelation 20

The Thousand Years

1And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the
Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2He seized the dragon,
that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand
years. 3He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over
him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were
ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time. 4I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given
authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because
of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not
worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their
foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand
years. 5(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the
thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed
and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death
has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will
reign with him for a thousand years.

Satan's Doom

7When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his
prison 8and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners
of the earth--Gog and Magog--to gather them for battle. In number they are like
the sand on the seashore. 9They marched across the breadth of the
earth and surrounded the camp of God's people, the city he loves. But fire came
down from heaven and devoured them. 10And the devil, who deceived
them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false
prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The Dead Are Judged

11Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth
and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12And
I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were
opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were
judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13The
sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that
were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14Then
death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the
second death. 15If anyone's name was not found written in the book
of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
NIV

This chapter is packed with so much information that I can only skim over
the high points for now.

0) Satan Bound 1,000 years

1) Christ returns - reigns with saints 1,000 years

2) Satan released - deceives many.

3) War then judgement.

4) Those found unworthy throne in lake of fire and experience no bodies
forever.

5) Those found worthy new Heaven and New Earth (Rev 21)

The question we have to ask is: "If folks can have more than one
life (resurrection) can they have more than one life another way (reincarnation)?

The answer is yes if we believe the Bible.

John 3:3 In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can
see the kingdom of God unless he is bornagain.

Christ confirmed reincarnation was a reality because the Bible prophecied
a great Prophet would be reincarnated and Christ pointed out that John the
Baptist fulfilled the prophecy.

Matthew 1113For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John. 14And
if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come. 15He
who has ears, let him hear.

Is there any scriptural evidence that mankind will somehow have a chance
to be saved even though they lived before Christ?

It turns out the the Apostle Paul had something to say about that.

Galatians 37 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the
children of Abraham.8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen
through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall
all nations be blessed.

By this statement. Paul announces that God's plan is to bless all nations
through Christ.

1 Timothy 23 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the
knowledge of the truth.5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the
man Christ Jesus

God wants all men to be saved.† This
would include the ones that lived before Christ.

The 1,000 reign of Christ represents rest for all that enter.

John 3:3 ... no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is bornagain.

Hebrews 4

A Sabbath-Rest for the People of God

1Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let
us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. 2For
we also have had the gospel preached to us, just as they did; but the message
they heard was of no value to them, because those who heard did not combine it
with faith.[1]3Now
we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said,
"So I declared on oath in my anger,
'They shall never enter my rest.' "[2]4And yet his work has been finished since the creation of the world.
For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: "And on
the seventh day God rested from all his work."[3]5And again in the passage
above he says, "They shall never enter my rest." 6It still remains that some will enter that rest, and those who
formerly had the gospel preached to them did not go in, because of their
disobedience. 7Therefore God again set a certain day, calling it
Today, when a long time later he spoke through David, as was said before:
"Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts."[4]8For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later
about another day. 9There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the
people of God; 10for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from
his own work, just as God did from his. 11Let us, therefore, make
every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their
example of disobedience.

Remember a day equals a thousand years and a thousand years equals a day?† The coming Sabbath rest for the People of God
occurs during the 1,000 year reign of Christ.†

When will the bad souls be reincarnated?†

Rev 20:7When the thousand years are over, Satan will be
released from his prison 8and will go out to deceive the nations in
the four corners of the earth--Gog and Magog--to gather them for battle. In
number they are like the sand on the seashore.

Christ promised that his followers would have† blessings in such abundance that it would
require many lives to hold it all.

Mark 10

27Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is
impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God." 28Peter said to him, "We have left everything to follow you!"
29"I tell you the truth," Jesus replied, "no one who
has left home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields
for me and the gospel 30will fail to receive a hundred times as much
in this present age (homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields--and
with them, persecutions) and in the age to come, eternal life. 31But
many who are first will be last, and the last first."

Jeus specifically promises that any follower of his that loses home or
family for faollowing him will have hundreds of homes and mothers and property.† This can only occur in multiple lifetimes.† Christ's spoke of two ages.† In one age the followers get belessed with
good life after good life.† In the age to
come (Christ's reign) Eternal Life.†

Without Reincarnation Christ is a liar and cannot bring to pass this
blessing. Some say the church fufills this.†
Do you really get hundreds of homes and mothers in a church?†

Zechariah recorded YHWH as saying that he will leave heaven and live
among all of mankind.

Zechariah 210 "Shout and be glad, O Daughter of Zion. For I am coming, and
I will live among you," declares the Lord . 11 "Many
nations will be joined with the Lord in that day and will become my people. I
will live among you and you will know that the Lord Almighty has sent me to you.
12 The Lord will inherit Judah as his portion in the holy land and
will again choose Jerusalem. 13 Be still before the Lord , all
mankind, because he has roused himself from his holy dwelling."

Almighty God announces to all mankind that he is sending the Messiah to
live among us.† All of mankind will have
access through Christ.† The only way all
of mankind can avail themselves of Christ before the day of Judgement is to
reincarnate and live a physical life during Christ's reign.

Ezekial had a vision relating to all of all of Israel that has ever lived
enjoying Jerusalem again.

Ezekiel 371 There hath been upon me a hand of Jehovah, and He taketh me forth
in the Spirit of Jehovah, and doth place me in the midst of the valley, and it
is full of bones,2 and He causeth me to pass over by them, all round about, and lo,
very many [are] on the face of the valley, and lo, very dry.3 And He saith unto me, `Son of man, do these bones live?' And I
say, `O Lord Jehovah, Thou -- Thou hast known.'4 And He saith unto me, `Prophesy concerning these bones, and thou
hast said unto them: O dry bones, hear a word of Jehovah:5 Thus said the Lord Jehovah to these bones: Lo, I am bringing into
you a spirit, and ye have lived,6 and I have given on you sinews, and cause flesh to come up upon
you, and covered you over with skin, and given in you a spirit, and ye have
lived, and ye have known that I [am] Jehovah.'7 And I have prophesied as I have been commanded, and there is a
noise, as I am prophesying, and lo, a rushing, and draw near do the bones, bone
unto its bone.8 And I beheld, and lo, on them [are] sinews, and flesh hath come
up, and cover them doth skin over above -- and spirit there is none in them.9 And He saith unto me: `Prophesy unto the Spirit, prophesy, son of
man, and thou hast said unto the Spirit: Thus said the Lord Jehovah: From the
four winds come in, O Spirit, and breathe on these slain, and they do live.'10 And I have prophesied as He commanded me, and the Spirit cometh
into them, and they live, and stand on their feet -- a very very great force.11 And He saith unto me, `Son of man, these bones are the whole
house of Israel; lo, they are saying: Dried up have our bones, And perished
hath our hope, We have been cut off by ourselves.12 Therefore, prophesy, and thou hast said unto them, thus said the Lord
Jehovah: Lo, I am opening your graves, And have brought you up out of your
graves, O My people, And brought you in unto the land of Israel.13 And ye have known that I [am] Jehovah, In My opening your graves,
And in My bringing you up out of your graves, O My people.14 And I have given My Spirit in you, and ye have lived, And I have
caused you to rest on your land, And ye have known that I Jehovah, I have
spoken, and I have done [it], An affirmation of Jehovah.'
Darby's Literal Translation

Nothing in this vision requires that every Israelite live all at the same
time in Jerusalem.† That would be
difficult considering the millions of Israelites that God said Would be
Abrahams children (innumberable).† A
thousand years is a long enough tiome for every Descendant of Abraham, Isaac
and Jacob to have the opportunity to be born and live and die in Jerusalem.

Ezekial recorded a vision of all of Israel coming to life again. "Shall
put my spirit in you, and ye shall live" (We come from God and live in
bodies again)

John 3:3 ... no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is bornagain.

Question:† Is this the resurrection
spoken of at the end of Revelation 20?

Answer:† Revelation 20 does not
describe souls getting bodies.† Judgement
day is for the dead not the living.† Those
that fail get no more bodies.† They
experience discarnate existence forever. The Lake of Fire destroys all bodies
leaving only the naked ego awareness to experience suffering.

Revelation 20

12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the
throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of
life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the
books. 13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and
Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according
to what he had done. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the
lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15If anyone's
name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of
fire.

Question: What happens to those that are judged worthy to continue do they get
to be born into new bodies? The answer is in Revelation 21 and Isaiah 65.

Revelation 21

The New Jerusalem

1Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and
the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2I
saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,
prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3And I
heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is
with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself
will be with them and be their God. 4He will wipe every tear from
their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the
old order of things has passed away." 5He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making everything
new!" Then he said, "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy
and true." 6He said to me: "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the
Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost
from the spring of the water of life. 7He who overcomes will inherit
all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son.

NIV

What kind of bodies will these people have?† They will have physical bodies as prophesied
in Isaiah.

Isaiah 65New Heavens and a New Earth 17 "Behold, I will create
new heavens and a new earth.
The former things will not be remembered,
nor will they come to mind. 18 But be glad and rejoice forever
in what I will create,
for I will create Jerusalem to be a delight
and its people a joy. 19 I will rejoice over Jerusalem
and take delight in my people;
the sound of weeping and of crying
will be heard in it no more.

20 "Never again will there be in it
an infant who lives but a few days,
or an old man who does not live out his years;
he who dies at a hundred
will be thought a mere youth;
he who fails to reach [1] a
hundred
will be considered accursed. 21 They will build houses and dwell in them;
they will plant vineyards and eat their fruit. 22 No longer will they build houses and others live in them,
or plant and others eat.
For as the days of a tree,
so will be the days of my people;
my chosen ones will long enjoy
the works of their hands. 23 They will not toil in vain
or bear children doomed to misfortune;
for they will be a people blessed by the Lord ,
they and their descendants with them. 24 Before they call I will answer;
while they are still speaking I will hear. 25 The wolf and the lamb will feed together,
and the lion will eat straw like the ox,
but dust will be the serpent's food.
They will neither harm nor destroy
on all my holy mountain,"
says the Lord .
NIV

The reason we can be assured that this prophecy is not about the 1,000
reign of Christ because The New Heaven and New Earth occur after the Day of
Judgement.

At this point a very important piece of information is revealed in the
prophecy.† It speaks specifically about
infants. Infants are born.† Jesus said
you had to be born again to enter the Kingdom of God.† Infants born after the New Heaven and New
Earth is established are guaranteed to live longer than one hundred years!† Most people will as long as trees.† Trees live upwards into thousands of years.

For as the days of a tree,
so will be the days of my people;†

"They will not toil in vain or bear children doomed to misfortune."
(Isaiah 65:23)

Babies need souls to go with them.†
Guess where souls come from at this point?† From the dead not thrown into the lake of
fire.† The dead who had their names
written in the book of life now can continue to live (have a body) in this
Glorius Utopia called New Earth.

The important thing to remember is that if you haven't done the right
thing before the day of judgement you are toast.† New Heaven and New Earth is the deluxe reward.††

The only time that all of mankind can have a chance for salvation is if
they are born again during the time of Christ or accept Christ in a lifetime
they are currently experiencing.† The
difference betwen doing it in this life and doing it in another is a matter of
timing.† If that lifetime occurrs after
the First Ressurection you are gauranteed to experience the day of judgement.

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Pope Arrested for Believing in Reincarnation

Pope Vigilius who was a vicar during the reign of Emperor
Justinian in the sixth century AD.† Justinian
and Vigilius disagreed on whether or not the teachings of Origen should be
condemned a heresy.

†††††††††††

Who was Origen?

†††††††††††

He was a famous theologian around 250 AD who wrote about
the pre-existence of the soul and in its reincarnation.† He taught that the soulís very source was
with God and that the soulís was traveling back to oneness with God via
Reincarnation.

†

Justinian wanted Origenís writings and teachings to be
condemned and destroyed but the Pope refused to sign it the decree.† As a result of his refusal the Emperor had
the Pope arrested and put into jail.† In 543,
Justinian convoked the Fifth General Council of the Church and told the Pope he
would sign whatever into doctrine whatever the council decided.† On the way there, under guard, the Pope
escaped to avoid being forced to condemn Origenís writings.† The Emperor commanded the council to continue
despite the Popeís refusal to attend.

††††††††††† †††††††††††

It wasnít necessarily just the Emperorís view.† A powerful group of Cardinalís and Bishopís
were opposed to the pre-existence of the soul.†
If every soul had once pre-existed with God, then Christ wasnít anything
special to have come from God.† These
Cardinals convinced the Emperor that if all mankind were the children of God
they would not need an Emperor or the Church since God was higher than all.† But since they reasoned that only Christ had
come from God and only the Holy Church could bring souls to Christ. Then there
was no threat to the Empire or the Church.†

Once Justinian understood the political ramifications of
Origenís teachings the rest was simply an Emperor doing the best for the Empire.

This council produced fourteen new anathemas and the very
first one condemned reincarnation.†

Anathema 1 "If anyone asserts the fabulous
preexistence of souls, and shall assert the monstrous restoration which follows
from it: let him be anathema.Ē

††††††††††† Joke: A
good lawyer could prove that technically it was okay for a Christian to believe
in the pre-existence of the soul and reincarnation and still not go to hell.† You could argue that due to the fact that
there was never papal approval of the anathemas, you could get out of going to
hell with that simple doctrinal loophole!