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"Well, aside from the need for corrective lenses and a tendency to be abducted by extraterrestrials involved in an international governmental conspiracy, the Mulder family passes genetic muster."
-Fox Mulder

Funny, I feel much the same about someone who feels that getting advice from ones parents somehow makes them less of a man.

Agreed.

Speaking of parents, me and the wifey hung out with my retired parents this past Sunday and it was great. Hearing words of wisdom and experience is always a good thing for me at least.

Plus I get to hang out with pops, have a bloody mary, some cold ones, wine, BBQ and shoot some pool! I'm pretty good at pool, but I'm nothing compared to my old man. He always schools me....no matter how many balls I am ahead of him...he always seems to pull out the win! Ugh.

Always great times hangin with Pops....especially now that he is getting older.

Best example of a likable enough fictional character with an ideal family I can think of besides the Beaver, which, well, you know, juvenile comments and all.

Substitute in any other perfect life goody goody kid for Ritchie if you like. The point is it's not something that has ever worked, as evidenced by the fact that Superman has been a child ever since they decided to keep the Kents alive.

And I do love them as characters and anyone who knows my views on comics knows I generally hate death in comics. But there are a few instances where I think it is absolutely necessary for characters to lose loved ones. This is one of them.

If there's anyone who's still incapable of getting the point of deceased Kents after reading this thread, they'll never get it.

They don't WANT to get it because to admit that is to admit that the Superman they have grown up with is fundamentally flawed because they have went too far from his creators intentions and from what made the character successful.

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My Two Cents:

I would like for the Kents to live because I just like his parents being alive and I'm tired of the dead parents storyline in these films.

You know who having living parents and a nice home life worked for? Barry Allen. So what did DC do? Retcon it so his dad is dead and was blamed for killing his mother.

It could go either way for me, but I like the idea of a Superman who isn't getting advised by his parents. However, he does need someone to talk to so we can get inside his head, someone who knows his identity.

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Best example of a likable enough fictional character with an ideal family I can think of besides the Beaver, which, well, you know, juvenile comments and all.

Substitute in any other perfect life goody goody kid for Ritchie if you like. The point is it's not something that has ever worked, as evidenced by the fact that Superman has been a child ever since they decided to keep the Kents alive.

And I do love them as characters and anyone who knows my views on comics knows I generally hate death in comics. But there are a few instances where I think it is absolutely necessary for characters to lose loved ones. This is one of them.

With all due respect... but losing someone beloved can also be a path for self destruction. I know that you like Supes to be a man and not a whiny little thing... but in a lot of cases the loss of someone near will bring the sufferer to be a much more introverted and edgy person. If you add a planet, your real parents and your adoptive parents, there's barely nothing preventing Supes from becoming nothing else than a superpowered Batman or even Punisher. It would take really good writing + suspension of disbelief to make Superman be inmune to that darkness, and if he wouldn't succumb then he could be considered nothing more than a cold-blooded alien. I tell this because I lost my old man just barely one year ago and yes... it has made me a man up to certain point, but it has also made me edgier, more unsociable and much more inmune to others' suffering, hardly Superman-ly qualities. Not to mention that others become outright whiners after such a thing, more so than with a so-called "perfect family"...

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Anything besides the Tumbler, in TDK, and I'll personally castrate myself on live web-cam!

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Originally Posted by JLBats

Does it disgust anyone that when we were being born, our penises were technically in our mother's vaginas? Isn't that disgusting?

With all due respect... but losing someone beloved can also be a path for self destruction. I know that you like Supes to be a man and not a whiny little thing... but in a lot of cases the loss of someone near will bring the sufferer to be a much more introverted and edgy person. If you add a planet, your real parents and your adoptive parents, there's barely nothing preventing Supes from becoming nothing else than a superpowered Batman or even Punisher. It would take really good writing + suspension of disbelief to make Superman be inmune to that darkness, and if he wouldn't succumb then he could be considered nothing more than a cold-blooded alien. I tell this because I lost my old man just barely one year ago and yes... it has made me a man up to certain point, but it has also made me edgier, more unsociable and much more inmune to others' suffering, hardly Superman-ly qualities. Not to mention that others become outright whiners after such a thing, more so than with a so-called "perfect family"...

I hate to go off topic but I'm sorry for your lost man, that has to be rough. In October of 2004 I became a member of the Dead Sister Club and that was hard...it still is. I have guilt about certain things too so that makes it harder...

I hate to go off topic but I'm sorry for your lost man, that has to be rough. In October of 2004 I became a member of the Dead Sister Club and that was hard...it still is. I have guilt about certain things too so that makes it harder...

Anyway, I love and agree with your point.

I'm sorry for yours too... it's a pretty terrible feeling... hopefully time will make it better.

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Originally Posted by Superman4ever

Anything besides the Tumbler, in TDK, and I'll personally castrate myself on live web-cam!

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Originally Posted by JLBats

Does it disgust anyone that when we were being born, our penises were technically in our mother's vaginas? Isn't that disgusting?