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Tuesday, February 4, 2014

What we might expect from '4:14 Scream'

Going back through some of the old 4:13 era articles and some more recent stuff, and thought it would be fun to put together a list of songs that might be included on 4:14 Scream.

Songs that could be on it:
A Boy I Never Knew
Please Come Home
(Both of these were from 'The Cure' sessions, but said to have been re-recorded during the '4:13' sessions)

Strum (from 'The Cure' sessions)
Lusting Here In Your Mind (from the '4:13' sessions)
Christmas Without You (from the '4:13' sessions)
An unknown number of instrumentals (from the '4:13' sessions)

Spot Marks The X (from the '4:13' sessions)
16 (from the '4:13' sessions)
Thanks to fmjews for finding these titles from an early tracklist that Ideal Copy had up in 2008. Not sure if these are missing songs or just working titles for songs we already have.

Robert speaking with XL (June 2012): "But
for sure, before our public farewell, we'll release the record. It'll
be the continuation of the previous one and it'll be accompanied by the
DVD of our show in Paris in 2008 and perhaps by a live show from this summer.
It will be slow and full of emotions. The typical Cure-sound."

On 'Lusting Here In Your Mind', Robert told Billboard (July 2007), "It sounds suspiciously like heavy rock to me". He also mentioned 3 songs were old Cure demos from the 80s that they revamped. We know 'Sleep When I'm Dead' (from The Head on the Door era) was one, but what are the other two?

In an NME interview (March 2012), Robert said he "has 12 tracks, including instrumentals, that he wants to release, but only as part of a double 4:13 album." In that same interview, he says 4 songs on '4:13' should be on '4:14', and 4 on '4:14' should be on '4:13'. Hoping Robert will tell us which ones should be switched, then we can all make proper versions of the albums, the way he originally envisioned them.

Robert told UOL (April 2013) the following: "my personal favorite is the album that we're about to launch. I think
it's definitely my favorite kind of music. There's a song on the album
called "Christmas Without You". It's the best song I've ever written."
The song (which was said to be about the death of a close
friend) was recorded during the '4:13 Dream' sessions. In this Blender interview (March 2008), Robert called it “one of the most unhappy things we’ve ever recorded”, and told Billboard (July 2007), "That's not a very happy song".

Can't find the interview, but Robert did say that there would be more keyboards on '4:14' than there were on '4:13'.

Overall, the tone of the album should be "dark", as it was always referred to as the darker half of the 2 albums. However, as Robert said, he had to switch a few songs up, to give '4:13' a bit more balance, so it's not out of the question that there could be some lighter moments on this one. Just hope and pray there's not another 'The Only One' on this! :)

ABINK is very difficult to play for Jason... we all remember that famous video of Robert being angry with Jason because he screwed up the drum intro. Robert even went to talk something to Simon during the song... they both looked at the scared Jason... :/

The 4 songs from 4:13 that should be on 4:14 - I'm thinking Underneath The Stars, Switch, The Scream and It's Over (Baby Rag Dog Book would have been such a better title for that song!)Or maybe The Only One of course Craig :)

Opening and closing with an instrumental would be great :) Fair point about UTS and Its Over being the opener and closer on Dream but hard to see many other songs fitting on a 'darker' album don't you think?

I am completely alone here: "The Only One" is my favorite song on 4:13 (personally I can´t stand this name for an album), followed closely by "The Reasons Why" and "UTS". The worst ones I consider "The Hungry Ghost", "It´s Over" and the worst Cure song ever, "Freakshow".

"The Scream" better live, but a good tune"Freakshow" - perfect silly pop song"Switch" - It grew on me"This. Here and Now. With You" - Love it..great lyrics!"Sleep When I'm Dead" - I agree...not my favorite (but my kids like it)"It's Over" - Great ending to the record and sounds great live

I'm okay with The Only One. It does sound better on vinyl. Then again, the whole album does. Then again, I'm waiting for anything that matches up to 3IB - Wish period. Then again, I still like a few scattered things after that period. Then again, I also like Club America. Then again, I kind of only like in this obtuse way because the guitar line really does seem like something that was eventually going to come from The Cure. And I'm still trying to find a video of when Porl played it with them. Always wanted to see him play that lead.

I remember in interviews about the record label being against a double album, Robert commented that they said; "We know what you're trying to do," with respect to releasing four singles/b-sides. Though he may have been joking, I wonder if the four b-sides were intended for the full double album, and, if so, where do they fall on the light/dark speculation?

I think the 3 most underrated songs on 4:13 are Switch, Real Snow White, and This. Here and Now. With You.

And I know everyone else seems to hate it, but I really like Sirensong. And It's Over really grew on me. Didn't care for it at first, but rarely skip it now. I also like the weirdness of The Scream, though I skip it a lot. Have to be in the mood.

My 3 favorites from those sessions remain UTS, All Kinds of Stuff, and NY Trip.

I love Sirensong, a lot. When I heard it, I thought that "this is the type of song I've been waiting to hear by the Cure". I think a lot of it has to do with Porl's lapsteel guitar. I've said it before, but all and all, I think 4:13 is a very strong album. The production gets in the way for me, though.

I'm a fan of Sirensong as well! Not so much Switch or The Scream though. Always loved It's Over, brilliant song.Hadn't thought about the b-sides and how they fit into the light/dark thing, the dream ones seem more dark than light from memory though.

A lot really depends on what Robert would consider "dark". Is Underneath the Stars dark? It's down-tempo, but certainly more "dreamy" than dark. Whereas "The Reasons Why" is dark lyrically, but lighter musically. But, I don't want to read into it, too much. Either way, I'm looking forward to what comes.

The only one is the worst song on 4:13 for me. I think Freakshow is a good song struggling under dreadful wah-wah guitar and bad mixing. Sirensong, It's Over and The Scream are great! I love THANWY too. That song loud on headphones is fantastic!!

I say give 4:13 Dream another listen. If you don't like it, then listen to the Live In Roma version of the record. If you don't like either, then yeah, you don't like it...but it doesn't make it appallingly bad. In my book, "Appallingly Bad" is reserved for bands like Milli Vanilli, John Stamos, Katy Perry, but definitely not The Cure on their worst day!

I thought 4:13 was mainly poor, The Perfect Boy is not only a bad Cure song, but one of the worst songs I've ever heard, and I agree about The Only One being shit as well. So I'm not too excited about 4:14, but if it's got a better mix than the last album, with the vocal less forced and prominent, then who knows, it might be ok.

Way too much negativity going on here about a record that hasn't even been released. If I read "the MIX on" these blog responses any more, I am going to puke in my mouth.

If someone isn't complaining about the lie of MIXed Up 2 not being released, they always can complain about the original mix of Entreat and how incredibly worse the MIX of Entreat Plus is, or how bad the MIX for 4:13 Dream was or that the self title The Cure record didn't get a proper MIX. UHHHGGG!!!

How about switch it up and talk about what you liked? I like The Cure...period! They don't have any reason to put out more music unless it's something they are proud of. Robert and Co don't tour the world for dollars and they certainly aren't showing up at the RAH because they have to.

So...on the positive side, how about we talk about The Cure's Charity Work?

Has anyone noticed that almost every live album that they have released has dedicated the profits to charity? Dating back to Show, Paris and Bestival? What about the shows that they perform, such as the Teenage Cancer trust? How fuckin awesome is that they are at a place in their career where they can actually contribute to something (beyond their f'n amazingly timeless music) and make a positive impact on society...now that's something to get in MIX about! (yeah, not that clever, but trying to spread some positivity around these parts).

Or, how about this...Craig is f'n awesome for providing this forum. He's done it for years and deserves some kudos! Does anyone think that they played Burn because Craig was in the audience? I do...and that's fucking brilliant! Thanks Craig...you fuckin rock!

I agree with Mike. These are some great guys that make some fantastic music. Enjoy it, or look for other artists you prefer. It isn't complicated. I can think of several bands I liked in the 80's and really can't listen to today. For me, that isn't the case with The Cure. I continue to enjoy the music, and the personalities. Oh, and Perfect Boy is a great song.

I agree with Mike. These are some great guys that make some fantastic music. Enjoy it, or look for other artists you prefer. It isn't complicated. I can think of several bands I liked in the 80's and really can't listen to today. For me, that isn't the case with The Cure. I continue to enjoy the music, and the personalities. Oh, and Perfect Boy is a great song.

Thanks Craig foe keeping us up to date. Thanks Cure for putting out new product, finally...I almost gave up. Thanks Mike Cameron for turning the tone of this thread around! I loved the songs on 4:13 and cant wait to hear the other half. And new dvd/blu rays of my favorite band are always welcome! This. Here. And. Now. With. You! ;)

No label but Smith Music Ltd, I think, and Universal wpuld distribute only. Would love a pack with 4:13 and 4:14 and Wish/Lost Wishes Deluxe and Mixed Up/Mixed Up 2 Deluxe and Orange and Show and Paris 2008 and Reflexions and Lat Am !!

I really like 4:13 Dream, their best album since Wish, I find Bloodflowers, with the exception of Out Of This World to be turgid and tuneless. I do not hate The Only One and think it is really good live...I am really looking forward to this new 'old album.' I only hope Robert rethinks the tentative 4:14 Scream title...why associate it so closely with an album that sold poorly?

I thought it was weird, too. The version called "Ching, Chang, Chong" with different lyrics is also beautiful. I have a hard time deciding which I like better. I'm confused as to why that song wasn't on Bloodflowers, as it would have sat nicely among those other songs. A true gem of a Cure song.

wow a lot of hate for 4:13 and folks wanting smith et al to rehash older stuff (music factory?). agree with some comments about some of the weaker tracks on 4;13 (freakshow, scream) but with innovation and experimentation you will get a few less favorable results but also a chance of some real diamonds. Disintegration is held up as probably the greatest cure album but it could so easily have been head on the door 2, which would of been fine but no disintegration? as with most albums i find that opinions change over time ie i used to skip "it's over" but hearing it live changed my opinion and on my 1st few plays of disintegration I would skip fascination street. summary: stop whining and skip the tracks u dont like - very few artists have albums with 100% of songs that are universally loved.

I wouldn't think so. This should be just the material they recorded back in 07/08. Newly mixed probably, and possibly some things re-recorded or bits add, but essentially the tracks from those 4:13 sessions.

Anything newly written/recorded would be saved for a new album, I would think.

Well because this is a new record, and things and moods might change in a 6 years timeframe, with new blood in the band, and enriching experiences.. So I expect this new album to be a new album,based on past recorded material, rearranged maybe, but also new one. Would be surprised if we had a full record without any Roger notes, or Reeves riffs. It's not a release of something frozen in a drawer for the last 6 years

Yeah. This is a record they need to got out to be able to move on with the new lineup. Since 4songs intended for the album was used on the 4:13 dream and 4 for singles b-sides this is more like New Oders "left over" album from last year. Anyway im excited. RS has left the best songs unpublished before...

@ mike cameron ~yes, you're quite right.crummy Cure is far better than most of the crap out there.

there have been many REALLY FANTASTIC releases recently by artists of similar ilk; D-mode, Gary Numan, OMD, Johnny Marr, Bowie... so i haven't lost hope for RSX

for me, the Cure will always be the cherry on top no matter what ~ so, of course i'll continue to be the one waiting for the record store to open on release day ... just as i have for every album since Boys Don't Cry

I would be disappointed if the b-sides to the 4;13 dream singles were included on the "new" album, as I have heard them all before, and I'm really longing for some "new" material. It's a same though, because Down Under is one of my favorite cure songs, and NY Trip and All kinds of stuff were all songs which all belonged on 4:13 dream, rather than some of the embarrassing stuff such as the Real Snow White, Reasons Why and This.Here and Now. With You. The only one is pleasant, and it's alright. Any complaints against it are equally leveled against Mint Car, in the sense that it's Cure by numbers pop.

i m very upset cos robert is still thinking that 4 :13 dream sessions ( 4 :14 scream) is better than Wish deluxe edition i already heard 14 songs from Wish era and are marvelous but i don t care 4:14 scream cos i don t want to ear robert screaming like crazy again with bad songs beside he want to come out the dvd from paris 2008 who cares? what happen with reflexions show? nobody realized that robert spent 5 years cos he can t composed 10 new songs so he decided after 5 years to come out the dark album of 4;13 era..he s out of mind i can t believe it...it s just my opinion i m sorry

In 2008 on Idealcopy this was the first tracklist of 4.13 dream:Underneath the Stars The Only One A Boy I Never Knew Freakshow Lusting Here in Your Mind The Hungry Ghost The Perfect Boy Christmas Without You Please Come Home Spot Marks the X 16 Sleep When I'm Dead Baby Rag Dog Book

I predict they will release it on April 13th. It only makes sense, although it doesnt fall on the traditional Moday release date in the UK, April 13th is a sunday, maybe put it up on ITunes April 13th and release it in the shops Monday and Tuesday in the US

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