Oh and I should mention, again, what the fuck are you even talking about.

If I'm Garen with full runes and masteries for AD, I'm going to have the same health and armor as a level 1 Garen with no AD runes or masteries, and I'll die to a Shaco just as fast.

Being level 1 doesn't magically mean level 30s do more damage to you. Jesus kid, look at what you're fucking trying to say.

*Eyeroll* Way to miss the point. I mean, really. Are you purposefully doing this?

IF I. As a level 15, yeah? Am fighting against a level 30. Still with me here? This level 30, has full AD runes/masteries. STILL with me? Now, he engages a 1v1 on me, yes? Who wins that engage? I'm going to tell you, it's not a big secret, it is NOT me. It is NEVER the lower level if the level 30 has even HALF of a clue. In a 2v2 situation? Yeah? Same thing applies, except there's going to be some CC on ONE of you, while that level 30 goes to again, roflstomp you.

What the hell are you trying to argue back with? "WELL HERP A LEVEL 30 AND A LEVEL 1 HAS THE SAME HEALTH IF HE BUILDS FULL AD". Well no shit. But the second the level 30 can engage and HIT THE LEVEL 1, that level 1 is DEAD. What is so bloody difficult to understand about that?

Aristhat, just stop feeding him already. It's pointless and might even get you to snap at some point. Not like his "stop posting" will do anything on forums anyway, especially not seeing how you created the thread in the first place.

That said, this thread had pretty much everything said by the first page.
1) Riot likes it when people play together
2) Riot attempts to balance the teams

Downside is, they're pretty bad at part two when it comes to wildly unbalanced teams queueing up. Same deal with duo-queueing for two people that are completely different in Elo.

I liked queueing up with some newby friends, but in the end the thirties made some smurfs, because by queueing up with a lowby, he'd consistantly wind up getting put vs higher level players. Even if Jim believes Runes and Masteries don't make a difference (not interested in arguing that here), the experience gap between the lowby and level 30 will have a massive impact.

Yes I'm a troll because I don't agre- Nevermind this is what I get for trying to say anything that isn't stupid on this forum.

Even if Jim believes Runes and Masteries don't make a difference (not interested in arguing that here), the experience gap between the lowby and level 30 will have a massive impact.

Experience is going to be the only major difference, but even then, depending on the new player's innate skill, playing with more experienced players may not be such a bad thing, but again, that's all really based on the individual and the support he's getting from his friends.

Surprise! The leveling and rune/mastery system is a passive joke that doesn't need to exist! It's only in place now because it's always been that way since the beginning when they were trying oh-so-hard to "re-imagine" the dota genre. Now that the game is up and running people have noticed that certain champions do better in specific roles WITH the runes. So if they were to drop the system it would be an indirect nerf to a bunch of their champions and the current roles that they fill.they also think it's fancy and original

Either way, LoL and any other game that has teams will always promote playing with friends so you can't just tell people they're not allowed to play with their friends because they're new and you're not.

Yeah, it'll be good to get some peace around here finally. Though I always wondered how he could be so actively grump about LoL and still keep playing it.

OH WELL!

On-topic: Level 30s grouping with lower levels don't bother me much, since usually there's a certain average in levels between the teams. Though I guess this isn't always the case, but maybe it just considers you good enough to play against level 30s? I dunno.

I guess the only way to know how the system actually works is to directly ask Riot.

EDIT: Runes and masteries allows for customization and specialization. It doesn't "need" to exist, it's there because it gives you a way to be different.

Why don't we just stop creating video games since they're all the same? We've got all the games already. Wouldn't that be great?