There's a reason I no longer road ride on the Cat & Fiddle on summer weekends and its entirely due to bellend motorcyclists like that.

Had that car been 1m further forwards, or had it been a peloton of cyclists, the motorcyclist would have been straight into them. Car - well he'd probably be dead and there's a good chance the driver would have ended up injured or dead too.
Bunch of cyclists - doesn't bear thinking about, it'd be similar to that horrific incident in North Wales a few years ago.

He made the corner so much harder for himself by dropping back in to the left instead of sticking to the right of the road. If he had done this then he might have given himself so much more road to play with.

So glad it ended like that as not only was this going to happen sooner or later, but he's scouting around left handers,inside line.. not knowing if there's cyclists. No room for error.

As someone once said to me after noticing that I wasn't positioned right on the road on the motorbike (having ridden so much closer to the inside on pushbikes most of my life) 'use the whole road, you pay to use it so (*&)%^£$£$"! USE IT!'

^^^^ that. A rule that I would hazard a guess half the country's drivers and motor bike riders do not even think about let alone obey and dare I say it probably applies to a similar proportion of cyclists too.

I am hoping the local constabulary follows this up. He was split seconds from causing a probable multiple fatality.

My simple rule (I just remembered, I told this to a 13 year old who used to come mtbing with us when I took him out in my Honda Aerodeck )
is, when on back roads/windy roads, ALWAYS expect there to be something coming the other way.
Would've worked for numpty in the video.

So your telling me you hold onto your own side of the track , you go round corners on the track expecting vehicles to be coming towards you , potholes , debris etc etc, its a different mentality- being able to switch between the two is a skill but too many folk treat the road as if it was a track . Had your man there in the video been on a track he would have ridden out of that no bother. - wrong lines but the tracks alot more forgiving.

Even the tt riders agree that road racing is mental and is entirely different to track riding.....and thats closed road.

Keep it on a track day. Why should others participate in a driver (or riders) exuberance/feeling 'on it'/showing his following mates how to ride quickly/trying to keep up with a mate on a ride out/showing off/making good progress etc.

Luckily(?) you don't see much of this on Snake Pass but you do see some utter tools overtaking on double-white lines into blind bends.

Theres fresh flowers on one such bend though recently there.

I'll admit that for a while I drove very quickly/had my car sideways a few times but someone on Pistonheads called 10penceshort posted up his prison experience/diaries of what happens when you go out for a drive and someone gets hurt. Very sobering reading.

Riding on the road is about forward observation, lines are chosen above all else to aid visibility and are decided ad hoc as the situation unfolds, all roads are ridden as though you've never seen them, anything you can't see is a hazard, brakes are used sparingly if at all.

Riding on the track is about learning the way and putting in utterly consistent inch perfect laps - despite what you can or can't see, lines are chosen for maximum speed, brakes are used late and hard.

Riding on the track is about learning the way and putting in utterly consistent inch perfect laps - despite what you can or can't see, lines are chosen for maximum speed, brakes are used late and hard.

Track days can be many things to all men. Some go on them for fun, some to improve, some to see how fast a bike or car can go, some to see how a car will slide, improve their skills away from street furniture.

That last couple of words. Its about having legal fun without slamming into a kerb hard. Nevermind the other stuff like railings, power boxes, signs or...trees.

weeksy there is overtaking on double whites, cutting the apex to make it smoother but thats a concious act, one that you are in control of. Going into a bend and spitting yourself wide- thats lack of talent and/or ability on that bike.

Overtaking on a double-white? If its on a straight- ENOUGH room and you have the power of a decent bike, why not?

Because double whites are mandatory perhaps? But I suppose you expected someone to say that.

On Snake Pass in parts you can overtake on double-whites and in one place it doesn't have them but really REALLY needs them:

From Glossop way- over the long climb, crested the top- after the first blind corner you can see for >1mile ahead clearly- you can take 2+ cars there in one safe overtake on the doublewhite.

Just after this section is some very long wide and very blind swooping bends....with no double-whites. Here you see lots of tyre marks where people have driven off into the grass/through wire fences to avoid sudden head ons.

If you don't know the road (or are inpatient)- its suicidal but understandable that someone would be tricked into thinking an overtake there would be safe. Its lethal.

Double white lines where the line nearest you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10 & 26

His approach into the left handler was all wrong top and bottom of it!
Hope the police throw the book at him, he deserves it!

trout - Member
The guy was a lucky plankton
what if the oncoming car had been a chaingang out for a ride and been a few metres further up the road like say just where he lost it
it would have been like ten pin bowling with human skittles

Weeksy your a tool and know it

race tracks for racing
roads for getting from A to B safely

Harsh, I think we've all been that idiot at one point in our past, whether you choose to admit it is up to you. When I was a young pup I took liberties that make me wince when I think back, I'm still here by luck alone.

If the chap in the vid is lucky he'll learn and reign it in, I did, although at his age you couldn't tell me **** all :D.

Cat n'Fiddle was my play ground back in the 90's, I stopped riding up there when a bike overshot a corner on to my side and passed between me and the verge to my left, certainly got my attention at the time.

Trout sums it up just right. The car driver could have ended up with a death on his conscience, mental issues for life and for what? So some prick with a complex can feel good about himself. Those on here justifying him are just as bad. If you want to ride it like you stole it, do a track day. Not difficult is it?

@mrchrispy, I mean the off road bit, when you get to the cat and fiddle, you go "off piste" down the bridlepath/right of way opposite, the gritty surface soon turns to babys head sized rocks, then a stream/riverbed, nice techy descent!

Just because I perceive some actions differently to you, now we're into name calling hey ? Nothing like a bit of nice healthy debate on the internet for bringing out the best in people.

FWIW, I still think he deserves no punishment, he's already trashed his bike, no-one was hurt and whether you or I think so, he WILL learn from this mistake, we all do when we crash. It's impossible to crash and for it not to play on your mind to an extent, you run through the why, the how etc.
Hardest thing I found when racing bikes was getting back on and picking up the same speed instantly again.

On the road, when I crashed it was ususally a mistake by no-one other than me.. but sometimes I tried to believe it was someone elses fault. But over time, you slow down, gone are my days of 140mph on the road, my bike now does 100mph tops.

However, despite your thoughts.. I'm not really a tool. I'm just not a namby pamby nany boy like many others.

You'd probably hate the fact I let me 5 year old do jumps on his bike, put logs in the wood burner and chop bananas with a sharp knife too.

On viewing it again I was just thinking how the two lads he'd blitzed by seconds earlier must have been pissing themselves at his stupidity! The lad who was infront for most of the ride was so much smoother and seemed to take a defensive line towards the end to stop the idiot overtaking him. I'm sure at one point he (idiot) thought about doing him up the inside.

when on back roads/windy roads, ALWAYS expect there to be something coming the other way. Would've worked for numpty in the video.

Nah, it wouldn't- he wasn't planning on running wide in the corner, after all. If he'd intentionally put himself there- trying to offside at the wrong time or something- you'd be spot on but this is about accidentally going somewhere you didn't want to, not about deciding to go somewhere you shouldn't.

if you replay it without the car I think he'd have crashed 10 feet further up the road. He might have got it together but frankly I doubt it, it's doable but I don't give him that much credit. (probably the skills to save the situation mostly belong to people who wouldn't have let it happen in the first place, lack of judgement is best mates with lack of skill)