This cant be made up, literally. I decided for old sake to look up the US Amazons video game best sellers list to see where the gamers heart has been residing lately being that SW is becoming hard to follow with all the trolls and all, AND with everyone saying the Xbox One has SKYROCKETED in sales! I thought id like to see some
real
world preorder sales, and this is what I found. "not this may not be true everywhere but Amazon usually is one of the best places to look to get an idea of what the consumer generally wants".

As of today 7/21/2013 at 5:30PM EST the PS4 seems to be in 4th place on Amazons video game Best Sellers list. Where is Xbox One you may ask? Aaaaallll the way down in 40th place.

So then I thought, this has got to be a fluke, Gamers have been holding the Xbox One in high esteem lately, there has to be some sort of truth behind them claiming that Xbox One has been selling more then PS4 lately, so I decided to go to the EU Amazon's video game best sellers list and this is what I found.

PS4 is in 6th place, while Xbox One is in a whopping 13th place

http://www.amazon.co.uk/best-sellers-video-games/zgbs/videogames#1

In Canada, this is actually quite surprising, the PS4 is way down in the 47th place while Xbox One is crowning at the 5th place. But what is hilarious is that Ouya is leading in 2nd place so I don't know what to think about Canada's best selling list or the fact that Canada buys anything at all from Amazon.

http://www.amazon.ca/best-sellers-video-games/zgbs/videogames#1

In Germany, "Now before I continue, I seriously thought that the PS4 would have been very low on the list being that most Germans I know are Xbox enthusiasts" But I was surprised to find that PS4 has been sitting on the #1 spot while the Xbox One, 20th..

http://www.amazon.de/gp/bestsellers/videogames/ref=zg_bs_nav_0

These things matter and ultimately determine the success of a platform. For those who say nay, let me bring you back to a time when the Saturn was built and the Dreamcast... Actually I don't even need to explain it, its pretty much self explanatory.

So, where are these amazing Xbox One sales I have been hearing about. Is this all just a rumor that has been spreading around without any proof?

ALSO before someone asks, I didn't add Japan to the list because I didn't see the PS4 or Xbox One on the top 100. But I think its needless to say what people in Japan is going to buy.

As far as I know the PS4 and XB1 are sold out of preorderes. That is what I have heard. Plus there is not gonna be as many XB1 avaliable as PS4's for launch. I have no doubt the PS4 is gonna kick the XB1's ass during the first 6 months. Then things will start to balance out. It will end up about 50 / 50 again.The hardcore will have both. The fanboys will get the system they want. It is the other market, the big market that will matter.

Not obsessed with sales, but I have a strange feeling that the Xbox one will be Dreamcasted. Looking at sales is a good place to find these things out. I'm sure EA would drop them but EA isnt the only 3rd party dev.

[QUOTE="lawlessx"]wish i understood why people are so obsessed about sales
-- TrooperManaic

Not obsessed with sales, but I have a strange feeling that the Xbox one will be Dreamcasted. Looking at sales is a good place to find these things out. I'm sure EA would drop them but EA isnt the only 3rd party dev.

[QUOTE="lawlessx"]wish i understood why people are so obsessed about sales
-- timbers_WSU

Not obsessed with sales, but I have a strange feeling that the Xbox one will be Dreamcasted. Looking at sales is a good place to find these things out. I'm sure EA would drop them but EA isnt the only 3rd party dev.

Dreamcasted? Do you even know why the Dreamcast failed?

Yes I do. Not every console is/could fail for the same exact reasoning, stop trying to be too literal.

All rite lets behave now guys, derailing on the very first page. I expected this on page 3 but not 1. Please I made this thread to see if someone can start showing me some more evening out sales, and to discuss the ones already seen. Lets not bicker.

All rite lets behave now guys, derailing on the very first page. I expected this on page 3 but not 1. Please I made this thread to see if someone can start showing me some more evening out sales, and to discuss the ones already seen. Lets not bicker.

-- TrooperManaic

Well I don;t think the XBONE is gonna fail because Microsoft files bankruptcy and starts selling off their wives and kids like Sega had too. With XB1, if Microsoft starts getting whipped they will just get out the check books. I am actually a little surprised they haven't did it already.

All rite lets behave now guys, derailing on the very first page. I expected this on page 3 but not 1. Please I made this thread to see if someone can start showing me some more evening out sales, and to discuss the ones already seen. Lets not bicker.

-- timbers_WSU

Well I don;t think the XBONE is gonna fail because Microsoft files bankruptcy and starts selling off their wives and kids like Sega had too. With XB1, if Microsoft starts getting whipped they will just get out the check books. I am actually a little surprised they haven't did it already.

That would just be wasted money. Once the Xbox is released and if sales diminish, the probably will release a software update making the Kinect not needed. I feel that's like 60% of the reason people aren't buying the Xbox One.

All rite lets behave now guys, derailing on the very first page. I expected this on page 3 but not 1. Please I made this thread to see if someone can start showing me some more evening out sales, and to discuss the ones already seen. Lets not bicker.

Yeah there's not even any bundles yet on either Xbone or PS 4 no one in there right mind would order a system off of Amazon.ca yet. You'll also notice Killzone:Shadow Fall is number 4 now with Xbone at number 6 so obviously there are more people planing to buy a PS 4 than Xbone, most people who have preordered a PS 4 have done so at EB Games ( Yes it's still EB games up here) It's a good place to order games because of the free shipping but I wouldn't order a Console off Amazon.ca

All rite lets behave now guys, derailing on the very first page. I expected this on page 3 but not 1. Please I made this thread to see if someone can start showing me some more evening out sales, and to discuss the ones already seen. Lets not bicker.

-- TrooperManaic

Well I don;t think the XBONE is gonna fail because Microsoft files bankruptcy and starts selling off their wives and kids like Sega had too. With XB1, if Microsoft starts getting whipped they will just get out the check books. I am actually a little surprised they haven't did it already.

That would just be wasted money. Once the Xbox is released and if sales diminish, the probably will release a software update making the Kinect not needed. I feel that's like 60% of the reason people aren't buying the Xbox One.

Yep. Kinect and price. I am a little shocked they have not paid Respawn to keep Titanfall off the PS4. I know they have not announced a PS4 version yet but you would think Respawn would be holding out their hand after they got all the hype.

All rite lets behave now guys, derailing on the very first page. I expected this on page 3 but not 1. Please I made this thread to see if someone can start showing me some more evening out sales, and to discuss the ones already seen. Lets not bicker.

-- timbers_WSU

Well I don;t think the XBONE is gonna fail because Microsoft files bankruptcy and starts selling off their wives and kids like Sega had too. With XB1, if Microsoft starts getting whipped they will just get out the check books. I am actually a little surprised they haven't did it already.

This idea of MS just "whipping out the checkbook" is both misconstrued, and is far from what would actually end up happening. Let me ask you, if that is MS's solution to a failing product, how come they didn't just whip out their checkbook and start buying 3rd party exclusives on the original Xbox? Or hell, buy some exclusive apps for their tablet, which is an absolutely failure? Publicly traded companies have budget caps for each individual department that they must adhere to. They use that money to make investments and hope that each investment provides a return. MS right now is investing $1 Billion towards their first 15 Microsoft Game Studios titles, including exclusive DLC deals struck with Activision and EA. Understand that MS is only going to support things that make an actual return on investment. If Below or Quantum Break undersell, expect them to appear on PC. The fact is that MS doesn't want to invest $1 Billion into games and end up with little to show for it. Also know that they are investing that much into software to develop a sizeable userbase marketshare. If they don't sell the One nearly as much as they estimate they should, and if the software sales for some of those titles flounder (i.e. Ryse, KI, or DR3) we're gonna see downscaling on project and investments out of the Xbox division. Remember they are a far bigger company than Xbox. If Xbox One doesn't do as well, their board is going to make them refocus on corporate software and services.

[QUOTE="lawlessx"]Not obsessed with sales, but I have a strange feeling that the Xbox one will be Dreamcasted. Looking at sales is a good place to find these things out. I'm sure EA would drop them but EA isnt the only 3rd party dev.

-- TrooperManaic

[QUOTE="lawlessx"]wish i understood why people are so obsessed about sales
-- TrooperManaic

Not obsessed with sales,
but I have a strange feeling that the Xbox one will be Dreamcasted.
Looking at sales is a good place to find these things out. I'm sure EA would drop them but EA isnt the only 3rd party dev.

Are those just daily statistics or something? Yearly sales show overall picture. Naturally the same frontrunner skus for both systems should be declining in ranking since you can't even preorder them anymore.

[QUOTE="timbers_WSU"] Well I don;t think the XBONE is gonna fail because Microsoft files bankruptcy and starts selling off their wives and kids like Sega had too. With XB1, if Microsoft starts getting whipped they will just get out the check books. I am actually a little surprised they haven't did it already.-- timbers_WSU

That would just be wasted money. Once the Xbox is released and if sales diminish, the probably will release a software update making the Kinect not needed. I feel that's like 60% of the reason people aren't buying the Xbox One.

Yep. Kinect and price. I am a little shocked they have not paid Respawn to keep Titanfall off the PS4. I know they have not announced a PS4 version yet but you would think Respawn would be holding out their hand after they got all the hype.

I don't think theres any way that MS would be able to pay them to keep it off PS4, and the idea that it'll eventually end up there is guaranteed. Remember, these were guys who started a separate company in order to keep full IP retention. I think MS needs to pick a direction for this product and focus on it. Is it for gamers? Is it for casuals looking for an entertainment center? Is it there to enhance my TV? None of the addressable markets they have identified for the Xbox One have their needs met in any significant way by this product, and it straight up antagonized gamers. I think they need a year of solid PR and great games before things turn around for them.

[QUOTE="lawlessx"]wish i understood why people are so obsessed about sales
-- lawlessx

Not obsessed with sales,
but I have a strange feeling that the Xbox one will be Dreamcasted.
Looking at sales is a good place to find these things out. I'm sure EA would drop them but EA isnt the only 3rd party dev.

Do you know why the dreamcast failed?

PS2 Hype and the oh so powerful DVD. Basically no online play with any of the games. "That was one of the selling points of the Dremcast". Sega was already in debt from their previous failures such as the 32X, Saturn. Overly expensive hardware, I remember the memory card being as high as $80 when it first released. No 3rd party support almost. There is many other reasons but these are the ones I feel are the majors. Happy now?

PS2 Hype and the oh so powerful DVD. Basically no online play with any of the games. "That was one of the selling points of the Dremcast". Sega was already in debt from their previous failures such as the 32X, Saturn. Overly expensive hardware, I remember the memory card being as high as $80 when it first released. No 3rd party support almost. There is many other reasons but these are the ones I feel are the majors. Happy now?

PS2 hype was only part of it.

It was also incredibly easy to pirate, and it got no support from EA who was one of, if not the largest 3rd party publisher at that point in time.

One fact about the Dreamcast, though, is that the Dreamcast had the most successful launch of any console up to that point.

Which goes back to what I've already said earlier in this thread:

"Pre-orders have never, and will never, determine the success of anything beyond the initial shipment."

There is literally no way to know what the success of the Xbox One and PS4 will be after these first shipments are out the door. For all we know Sony could have defective hardware, or Microsoft could have an incredibly awesome TV service that everyone in the world wants, or maybe Apple releases a system, and makes both Sony and Microsoft irrelevant in the console business.

It's a bold claim to say the Xbox One is potentially going to fail based off pre-order figures. The Dreamcast in no way looked like it was going to fail based on pre-order numbers alone. There was a whole slew of other reasons it failed.