Sunday, March 2, 2014

Is Allah the Best of Deceivers?

According to the Qur'an, Allah is the "best of deceivers" (3:54; 8:30). The phrase is often translated into English as "best of planners," "best of schemers," or "best of plotters," but the root word (makr) means "deception." Hence, the following Qur'an verses should be rendered as follows:

Qur'an 3:54—And they (the unbelievers) planned to deceive, and Allah planned to deceive (the unbelievers), and Allah is the best of deceivers.

Qur'an 7:99—Are they then safe from Allah's deception? No one feels safe from Allah's deception except those that shall perish.

Qur'an 8:30—And (remember) when the unbelievers plotted deception against you (O Muhammad), to imprison you, or kill you, or expel you. They plotted deception, but Allah also plotted deception; and Allah is the best of deceivers.

Since the Bible declares that Satan is the father of lies (John 8:44), the question must be raised: Do Christians and Muslims worship the same God?

On a related note, a Muslim objected to this video when I posted it. Here's the objection and my response:

52 comments:

As we all know, Muslims are allowed and encouraged to deceive the unbeliever/kafir.

But in practicing the art of deceit, Muslims are actually doing the works of the devil...

“You do the deeds of your father (the devil).” John 8:41

...who, as it happens, is the best of deceivers (Quran 3:54; 8:30)...

“You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources (or own nature), for he is a liar and the father of it.” John 8:44

...and are therefore, together with the devil, condemning themselves to God’s judgement on all liars whenever they practice the art of lying/deception.

And all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire… Revelation 21:8

So the god of the Quran, and therefore of Muslims, can be none other than Satan (he being their spiritual father, as per John 8:44) whose true nature is described by Jesus in John 8:44 and whom the poor Muslims are unwittingly honouring in the place of God.

Not all Muslim translations engage in deception here. One Muslim stepped out of the usual comfort zone of Muhammad's followers and translated it honestly:

"And they cheated/deceived and God cheated/deceived, and God (is) the best (of) the cheaters/deceivers." (S. 3:54, Muhammad Ahmed-Samira)

"And when those who disbelieved deceive/scheme at you to affix/affirm you, or kill you, or bring you out, and they scheme/deceive, and God deceives/schemes and God (is) best (of) the deceivers/schemers." (S. 8:30, Muhammad Ahmed-Samira)

"Since the Bible declares that Satan is the father of lies (John 8:44), the question must be raised: Do Christians and Muslims worship the same God?"

Here is one big picture question posed by Islam: Since Christianity is a derivative of Judaism, why isn't Islam a derivative of Christianity? Why something substantially new? That doesn't make any sense, unless Islam comes from a different God. It makes a lot of sense if the author of Islam is not the author of Christianity and Judaism.

Logic points us in the direction of two different Gods. And one other thing. Did you know that the Arabic symbols for "in the name of Allah" look a lot like the number 666 in Greek? Google Allah 666 to see more on this issue.

There is little doubt in my mind that “Makr” is a negative term and is always or at least normally used as a term of abuse. The question is how did Muhammad who usually uses what he considered to be lofty terms to describe his deity, end up, astonishingly, describing him as “Al Makr”?

Don’t let any Mosque be built. Muslims are real blaspheming witches. They secretly want to do this to people they see as not being a Muslim. Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them (47:4. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them, Qur’an 8:12.There are no moderate Muslims.” According to the Qur'an, Allah is the "best of deceivers" (3:54; 8:30). The phrase is often translated into English as "best of planners," "best of schemers," or "best of plotters," but the root word (makr) means "deception." Hence, the following Qur'an verses should be rendered as follows:Qur'an 3:54—And they (the unbelievers) planned to deceive, and Allah planned to deceive (the unbelievers), and Allah is the best of deceivers.

Qur'an 7:99—Are they then safe from Allah's deception? No one feels safe from Allah's deception except those that shall perish.

Qur'an 8:30—And (remember) when the unbelievers plotted deception against you (O Muhammad), to imprison you, or kill you, or expel you. They plotted deception, but Allah also plotted deception; and Allah is the best of deceivers.

Since the Bible declares that Satan is the father of lies (John 8:44), the question must be raised: Do Christians and Muslims worship the same God?”

Mohammed saw Satan as he is in the cave. Mohammad did not see Gabriel. Muslims lie. Muslims are modern day Baal worshipers sporting the same crescent moon and star Baal worshipers used. Satan looks like the ultimate Christmas tree. He wants to stand where he should not stand saying he is God. We are to get away from him.2 Corinthians 11:14King James Version (KJV)14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Ezekiel 28:13. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

Telling them that Allah is the greatest D has only led to Muslims becoming enraged and calling me a liar, due to the fact I can not prove their English translation of "planner" is wrong. Even tho I am always very patient and calm with them.

The above just makes them say things like, "even if you can prove it means deception, so what? Your God uses evil spirits to deceive people."

They are QUICK to yell "Liar!" along with their horrid perceptions of Christians, so reasoning with them about this goes in circles & into deaf ears.

However, what I have found most useful is asking if the Torah, Psalms and Gospel were ORIGINALLY God's word. They don't mind me showing them the Koran verses that say it is, and their reply is usually "Yes, but man changed them -- they're corrupt now," etc. (if angrily, that's okay, I know I'm going somewhere with it).

Then I show them Koran verses that says God's word can not be corrupted and say, "That's confusing. Which is true:

#1. The Gospel, Torah and Psalms were originally Allah/God's word. OR.#2. Allah/God's word can NOT be corrupted."

It's a little seed of hope, because not once have they replied with an answer. They can not brush you off with "Liar!" for asking that, AND it points to God's real Word!

WHEN MUHAMMAD WAS MURDERED BY ABU BAKR & UMAR, MOST OF HIS FOLLOWERS WENT BACK TO PAGANISM!The Ridda WarsTroubles emerged soon after Abu Bakr RadhiAllahu Anhu's succession, threatening the unity and stability of the new community and state. Various Arab tribes of Hijaz and Najd rebelled against the caliph and the new system. Some withheld the zakat, the alms tax, though they did not challenge the prophecy of Beloved Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him). Others apostatized outright and returned to their pre-Islamic religion and traditions, classified by Muslims as idolatry. The tribes claimed that they had submitted to Muhammad (Peace be upon him) and that with Beloved Prophet Muhammad’s (Peace be upon him) death, their allegiance was ended. Abu Bakr RadhiAllahu Anhu insisted that they had not just submitted to a leader but joined the Muslim religious community, of which he was the new head. Apostasy is a capital offense under traditional interpretations of Islamic law, and Abu Bakr RadhiAllahu Anhu declared war on the rebels. This was the start of the Ridda wars, Arabic for the Wars of Apostasy. The severest struggle was the war with Ibn Habib al-Hanefi, known as "Musailimah the Liar", who claimed to be a prophet and Beloved Prophet Muhammad’s (Peace be upon him) true successor. The Muslim general Khalid bin Walid RadhiAllahu Anhu finally defeated al-Hanefi at the Battle of Akraba. -

Deception has various meanings and contexts. Everyone here on this blog need to remember that if theres is authentic meanings and correct level of context then that should be regarded as genuine. Its so clear someone has just decided to find out the meaning of a word which has many contexts. For example "clear" this could relate to a statement which is logical and straight to the point or clear referering to clear as in free from any smur or debris. It all falls under the context, the subject. Clearly in that passage it reflecting a plot against jesus and therefore as a context there are several meaning it is not a definate context to be deception. Firstly if you have any disputes or debates i think you guys should find another place. Because remember allah is supreme and the almighty to understand his context and his approach is way way way out the league of any mankind. Thanks. Same goes for father/ son in the bible there many meanings which dont mean literal. Anyways no one needs to debate and argue. Faith is not about arguing/ debating but its about seeking knowledge and perfect and in correct terms, thank you

Allah with his ego thinks he is the best deceiver. He is the one and only deceiver.Satan is the deceiver. 2 Corinthians 11:14

: And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. That is who Muhammad saw impersonating Gabriel. Muslims have been obeying the destroyer death angel Satan. That is why ISIS is the way they are. That is not hate. That is a fact. This is what Lucifer AKA Satan looks like. Ezekiel 28:13:Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.KJV Cambridge edition 1611 or 1900. Satan wants to stand where he ought not to stand on the earth. Get away from him when that being is seen.Father - son as in God and Jesus are not in earthly context. They are one. God became the son when he allowed blood to be in him. Latter when he accomplished what he came to do did not have blood in him. I try to make it as simple as I can, but it still goes over the heads of Quran followers.

Even though Muslims claim to have rejected their pagan origins to worship Allah, they still kept the pagan holidays and practices that continue to this day.Ramadan and other holidays have their origins in paganism. Even the practice of walking around that huge black square dates back to paganism.

In the Bible, God forbid His people from adopting pagan practices and to use them to worship the true God.

Deuteronomy 12:29-32 "When the LORD your God cuts off before you the nations whom you go in to dispossess, and you dispossess them and dwell in their land, take care that you be not ensnared to follow them, after they have been destroyed before you, and that you do not inquire about their gods, saying, 'How did these nations serve their gods?--that I also may do the same.' You shall not worship the LORD your God in that way, for every abominable thing that the LORD hates they have done for their gods, for they even burn their sons and their daughters in the fire to their gods. "Everything that I command you, you shall be careful to do. You shall not add to it or take from it.

Whenever people practice any pagan ritual, they are worshiping the demons that inspired those practices.

1Corinthians 10:19-21 What do I imply then? That food offered to idols is anything, or that an idol is anything? No, I imply that what pagans sacrifice they offer to demons and not to God. I do not want you to be participants with demons. You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. You cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons.

Quran followers have not rejected the Quran. There are other ways to spell it. The devil has his words in that book. People who call that book holy are mentally in the clutches of the fallen angel Lucifer thinking they obey God no matter how atrocious their words, thoughts or actions.

could you please advise all actions (Good / Bad) created by whomGOD all mighty or any one else?

As a muslims i do believe all actions (God / Bad) created by Allah Subhan-w-Taala.

and if any christain believe that any single bad action is created by Devil (satan) then please advise is Devil equal in power with your GOD or GOD is the all mighty....if you are granting power to devil the power of creation then your GOD is not all mighty either is a brother of devil or cousin......

think and answer.

more over anyone of you have any doubt that Quran is not the word of Allah Subhan-w-Taala then answer below the challenge of Allah to whole humanity since 1400+ year no one couldn't win this challenge.

Cahapter 2:23 - And if ye are in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto Our slave (Muhammad), then produce a surah of the like thereof, and call your witness beside Allah if ye are truthful. (23)

Allah has given you liberty to choose from 114 chapter and the smallest chapter contains 3 verses only..... if you think its difficult then choose the smallest and fulfill the challenge and surely you won't

There is nothing good in Allah the destroyer. God made the stars to be immortal. That sure as thunder is not the way it is now. Don’t be like Jesus; Be like the devil. The devil is in all things that are not immortal. Don’t let that go in one ear out the other. The power of the devil is the power of man that destroys. Allah is the devil in the way that being talks. Allah would not be the Devil anymore had that being be honest saying who he was. The words would change being humble words not lofty artificial words. Jesus frees. Satan wants slaves. Who is Allah? Satan uses words like surly like God says, saying nothing.They fooled Obama into believing a lie. Tell him,tell him that Allah is the Liar Devil who is not like Jesus in his charactwer.

I know this post is old, but, I just notice something that I hadn't notice before.Allah is never talking in the first person. If it was him talking and it was a perfect translation of his words, would it not be more like, I am the best of deceivers ? So its more like Mohammed saying that Allah is the best of deceivers.One could say that its not the words of Allah but the words of Mohammed, no ? Its just that I cant see how the saying thats its the exact and true words from God if its in the second person ? Its obviously Mohammed talking ? Or Gabriel ? So to say its the true words from Allah would not be correct ? Should always be I, Allah.I say to you... Not Allah says to you ? I may not understand Arabic to say this ?

The being that Muhammad saw spoke through Muhammad. That being was a fear giver refusing to say what an unfallen angel would say. How then could the being that Muhammad saw be an unfallen angel? The words did not come from God. The words came from a fallen angel posing as an unfallen angel. Muhammad was possessed by that unfallen angel. We, is Muhammad and the being that is speaking through Muhammad. Lucifer who fell was speaking through Muhammad. The bible speaks of Lucifer. The Quran does not for a devious reason. Allah is Lucifer not wanting to let on that he is Lucifer.

WHAT THIS DECEPTION MEANS IS THAT IF A PERSON IS DETERMINED TO BE EVIL, HE OR SHE WILL NEVER SEE THE LIGHT EVEN IF IT IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM BECAUSE OF THEIR CORRUPT INTENTIONS AND UNWILLINGNESS TO SEEK FORGIVENESS AND THIS IS PROVED FURTHER WHEN PEOPLE IGNORE THE GOODNESS IN SOMETHING AND SIMPLY FOCUS ON FINDING FAULTS AND CREATING ENMITY BY CONDEMNING WORDS. ONE THING IS FOR SURE. NO MATTER WHAT RELIGION A PERSON BELIEVES IN, ISLAM OR CHRISTIANITY OR HINDUISM ETC, HE OR SHE SHOULD KNOW BETTER THAN TO USE THE SHARPNESS OF HIS OR HER SPEECH TO DELIBERATELY HURT ANYONE. KINDNESS IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN DEBATING WHAT IS RIGHT AND WHAT IS WRONG.

They seek the world and the things in it. Jesus and his disciples did not do that. It is imposable for Islam to make people ready for God’s kingdom. The words in the Quran are the words that were spoken from a possessed serpent at specific tree.

It is natural for the Allahs to boast . . . they do so repeatedly throughout the Quran. So boasting of being the supreme deceiver comes as no great surprise, yet it is a very revealing slip of the mask of Divine Perfection.

The Allahs command that we foolish humans have no business understanding agendas that they have shoddily disguised as religious dictates from supreme awareness.

If one examines the attitude towards mankind between the dictator of the Quran [an "angel"] and the Old Testament, the similarities of attitude to us . . . are convincing as a fingerprint.

Only a deceiver, a predator, a thief of Free Will benefits . . from stupified obedience. Who can name an alternative beneficiary of stupidity ? Fitting the motive for monocultural stupidity is a predator that farms primates as livestock [edible].

If the Allahs were truly the creators of spaceTime, they would not oBscess over the 0bedience of their offspring.

Loving parents want brilliant precocious & courageous children of both sexes, each exploring their parental heritage with an aspiration to revolutionary improvement.

Doctrine that induces stupidity is not only Dangerous [ + counterEvolutionary], doctrine that sends people stupid . . . is an artifact doubtless contrived by an Enemy.

Sun Tsu : All warfare is based on deception. => all deception is warfare

All individuals are responsible for their own Sanity . . . delegating = abdicating. Responsible, too, for the iron discipline of a warrior's humility that regards everything as potentially meaningful, worthy of discernment, and regards everybody [themselves first] as accountable for what they became.

To think clearly, first get rid of all ideology. Beware of iDeology, be it Political, or Religious, or antiReligious, or dressed as Science. Regardless of context, Belief is our greatest weakness.

Thinking from first principles avoids faulty premises ; prevents bad workmanship. The quality of workmanship in thinking is paramount to accuracy and due diligence.

Rule of Thumb : Avoid arbitrary dismissal by not distorting meaning of evidence. Extrapolating too far from the character of the Quran's author undermines the significance of the Allahs' admission of deliberate use of deception. The Biblical reality map is simply not validated by unMasking the author of Quran.

Arabic words are often wrongly interpreted, and christian missionaries will always chose the wrong interpretation that suits their agenda. “And the disbelievers planned, but Allah planned.And Allah is the best of planners.” – Quran 3:54that's how it must be translated, makr in Arabic denotes a subtle and secret moveor plan. If this is for a good purpose, it is good;and if this is for a bad purpose, it is bad .in this verse, the event mentioned is theAscension of Jesus ( pbuh) . ‘And they made a move’ refers to the evil designs of the Jews who planned to arrest him and to get him crucified.The next sentence ‘and Allah made a move’refers to the plan designed by Allah Almighty tosave his Prophet (Jesus) from their ill designs.

also there are verses in your bible about Yhwy being a deceiverhttp://discover-the-truth.com/2013/08/28/bible-yahweh-best-of-deceivers/

as for the "we" and "I" are both used in Quran depending on the context, often the 1st person singular ( I or My ) is used, when Allah speaks about His love,care and closeness and forgiveness for His servants. In a similar way the first person plural is often used when Allah speaks about His power,majesty, glory, great deeds or when He speaks about His anger and wrath for the sinners and criminals.

I am a native speaker of Arabic, actually a more accurate translation is ... Allah is the most treacherous. Makr is the Arabic word for Treachery! Planner, however in Arabic, is Khita. And certainly that's not the verse mentioned above.

Allah is treacherous. That is the first honest word I have gotten from a person in this page. Allah is a being who impersonates other heavenly beings. The voice of God will stop one day. People will not be able to be saved when that happens even when they have a realization of the truth. They will not be going to Hell. They will become a flame in God's light. A lot of them will resemble the lake of fire. They become ashes and that is all. They will be gone body and soul forever.

anonymous's distinction is significant. Treacherous is related to betrayal, the breaking of trust, the counterfeit of truth. Fits neatly with the Toltec description of the Mud Shadows [Allahs] in book "The Active Side of Infinity". Download free from federaljack:com.

All of the words in the Quran are the words of a being that Allah denies the very existence of. The bible speaks of that being. Liars try to say the being discribed in Ezekiel is an earthly king. There were no earthly kings in the Garden of Eden. People obeying the Quran are obeying a liar that has practice his lying for a long time. That being cannot lie to me. That liar is Lucifer who is satan.

There is no truth in Allah. Jesus spoke truth. He did not war to gain anything on this earth. That is the truth. Jesus has a kingdom that is not of this earth. That is the truth. A man cannot have a kingdom that is not of this earth. That is the truth. How can Muslims be right saying Jesus was a man? Allah is lying. That is the truth.

I see all belief systems. I see truth. I see error. The bible is truth. Love is truth. love is eternal. Love casts out devils. Allah cannot do that. Can you guess why? Satan cannot cast out Satan. Muslims try to use water and external works. Jehovah witnesses deny that Jesus is Lord too. Armageddon is not in this time. It will be 1000 years after the second coming of Jesus. The second resurrection will occur. All of the wicked outside the city of God facing off with all of the saved in the city of God. God's light burns up the wicked. That burning looks like a lake of fire.

Behold the psychosis of an ideologue : Jhughes has convinced himself that his borrowed reality map encompasses All of the unKnown.

In this example of defended psychosis [ie no dissenting information is acknowledged] is a DemonStration of how the Allahs feed upon their grovelling supplicants.

It makes no difference that his reality map is defined by Saul of Tarsus [St.Paul], . . . the psychological mechanism of Divine Assistance is identical to that of Osama bin Laden, and the source of information [a visionary encounter] is the same as Mohammed's, this time on the road to Damascus.

Jhughes has discarded the safeguard of mental integrity . . . in favour of Faith. Why ? Because he BELiEVEs he is on a Promise of HeavenlyRewards. Being a gospelian promises Free Forgiveness, the Meaninglessness of Consequences. An empty promise that Mohammed's dictator trumped . . . with virgin slavegirls. [grin]

So, let us look at Faith from a strategic perspective : What exactly is faith ? Faith is belief without confirmation, without evidence, refusing all dissenting realities.

Who benefits from faith in holy books ? [socialising software] The holy books declare the benefits occur in a different world, . . . after we are so Dead that we cannot demand a refund a replay of those squandered years of HolierThanThou dementia. From this perspective, the benefits do Not go to Jhughes and his "superior" ilk. So where do the benefits go ?

To the authors of the holy books is a straightforward conclusion. So : who are the authors ? of these books that tell us we are unworthy. What manner of Agenda threatens us with the astonishing Cruelty of endless torture ?

An agenda of Deceit is the only viable explanation. So : what manner of creature depends on deceit ? a Thief . . .

What is the thief stealing ? our freedom of choice !By censoring knowledge of good and evil, the parasite blinds us to their true nature. By demanding obedience, the farmer has livestock that will attack seers and heretics. As Jhughes attacks our mental independence with the pious bravado of Jesus himself.

Parasite ? What else steals life by stealth ? The authors of the "holy" books are stealing human lives, imprisoning the gullible within ideologies of sinful sheep, or slaves of Allah, while they feed upon the potential of Awareness that they forbid until after our death.

Only freedom of thinking can recover the freedom of awareness that is our human heritage.

So. My reply to "allah is not God's" nonsense declaration has been censored. Which raises the question : To what have you given your loyalty ? Is this website another deceitful Christian attack on its brother religion ?

I am not deceitful. I am bluntly honest. God talks in one way. Satan talks in another way trying his best to imitate God. The imitator is Allah AKA Lucifert in reality. He wants people to say: I am God! My name means God! That being wanting people to ignore how Allah talks which is a big give away.

I am not deceitful. I am bluntly honest. God talks in one way. Satan talks in another way trying his best to imitate God. The imitator is Allah AKA Lucifert in reality. He wants people to say: I am God! My name means God! That being wants people to ignore how Allah talks which is a big give away. That being is a being who fell like lightning. Do you know the name of that being?

Satan or "Iblis" rather accused Allah of misleading or deceiving him: He said: Now, because Thou hast sent me astray (aghwaytanee), verily I shall lurk in ambush for them on Thy Right Path. (Surah 7:16)

[Iblis (Satan)] said: "O my Lord! Because you misled me (aghwaytanee), I shall indeed adorn the path of error for them (mankind) on the earth, and I shall mislead (walaoghwiyannahum) them all. (Surah 15:39)

What makes this last reference rather interesting is that Satan promises to do to mankind what Allah did to him, namely, pervert/deceive/mislead people from the path!

Lest a Muslim say that these are the lies of Satan, that the enemy was merely slandering Allah, here is a text where the Quran acknowledges that the Devil was right since Allah does pervert/deceive/mislead people from the way:

And my sincere counsel will not profit you, if I desire to counsel you sincerely, if Allah desires to pervert you (yughwiyakum); He is your Lord, and unto Him you shall be returned.' (Surah 11:34)

To say that this is amazing would be a wild understatement.

But in the Sahih Hadith, we can see the link to Allahs true nature;

Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) said: “I swear by Him in whose hand is my soul, if you were a people who did not commit sin, Allah would take you away and replace you with a people who would sin and then seek Allah’s forgiveness so He could forgive them.” [Sahīh Muslim (2687)]

We see clues to this "Allah" character from the Hebrew;

‘Allah’ means ‘Curse’ in Hebrew… Just a Coincidence?The Hebrew word for “curse” – it is pronounced “alah”, same as Allah, ‘God’ in Arabic. I did some further digging and compared the Hebrew letters of the words “alah” and the Arabic letters of Allah; they are exactly the same, except for some diacritic/pronunciation marks above the main letters and an extra “L”, as follows:

Quite amazing – the Hebrew word “curse” and the Arabic word “Allah” don’t just sound the same, with the exception of an extra “L”, THEY ARE THE SAME.

Further clues to Allah's true identity is given from within the Bible when in Revelation 13:18 we are given the identity of the beast,

"Here is wisdom. Let him that has understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six".

The original Bible, written in the Greek did not write "666", but a Greek word of (χξϛʹ) which may be the Islamic shahada (الشهادة). The Greek letters Chi Xi Sigma also spell a phrase in another language. And that language is Arabic. The word it spells is "Bismillah" which means (literally) "In the name of Allah". By inserting "bismillah" in place of Chi Xi Stigma, it reads: "Here is knowledge! Let him with understanding decipher the multitude of the beast, for it is a multitude of people and is the same as the number of a man, and his number is "in the name of Allah".

"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever." (Revelation 20:10)

There was only one false prophet to have ever influenced humanity away from God and that was Mohamed.

The name Allah is derived from the Hebrew Chaldea word Halal which is the NAME OF SATAN in the scriptures as in Isaiah 14.12, “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer (HALAL), son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!”

Now, the word “Lucifer” means light bearer. Interesting enough the symbol for Islam is the Moon and the star.

The moon it’s a light bearer, meaning it does not have its own light but carries the light of the sun. Technically the moon it’s a “Lucifer”. Is there any wonder why Allah throughout history has been associated with the moon god?

What about the star?

Stars throughout the Old Testament have always been associated with angels. Lucifer is a fallen angel who swore 5 wills against God.

The star represents his fallen angelic nature and the 5 wills against God. The 5 wills of Lucifer (Satan) is also represented secretly by the 5 pillars of Islam. Pillars represent foundation, and Lucifer’s 5 wills are the foundations of how he is waging war against God and His people.

While the God of the bible does not force anyone to submit to him the god of Islam forces people to submit to him. Forcing people are the characteristics of Satan not God. The God of the Bible wants you to freely choose him; while the god of Islam will chop you head off if you don’t choose him. The God of the bible is clearly the God of choice while the God of Islam is the god of force.

Mr Hermit, I don't know what you tried to post, but if you are calling the Quran nonsense, then I absolutely agree with you.

No one should care about what a name means. What is the character of the person or being claiming the name? Does that being talk like the being he claims to be? Does that being do what God does? Allah says, cut a part. God in the bible, says no. I want a changed heart to love others. Allah says bow many times a day. God says pray without ceasing not letting anyone know that you are praying. When you pray it is for wisdom and being thankful and praying for others. Allah says pray for the death of others being thankful when they are dead. Allah made the destructive universe doing the big bang. God made eternal stars in the universe naming them placing them gently where he wanted them to be. Allah made black holes. Allah is trying to impersonate God. Can't you see that? Allah wants Muslims and all Quran followers to ebnore what I said.

Well this post is going on from the past one year, and I did not seen any sense able logical post from jughesh and any other non-Muslim. Let's do some thing wise and discuss everything in native language of all the scripture instead of translation, yes native language of scripture, ooh I forgot that bible is not the real name of holy book of Christian believer, hence Greek is also not the original language of Jesus (peace be upon him). Actually it is a book written by some one after 300 years of Jesus, not only that the holy book "the bible" is translation of translation, more over it is a copy of copy of copy...... Uhhhhhh so consfusing you Christians have no right to fight with us Muslims instead you should be thanking us, Muslims are the only nation who accept Jesus as messiah and true prophet of GOD. And you better not talk about Hebrew scripture Jews never accepted Jesus and his revelations, so it looks so unethical and stupid if you refer Hebrew for any Christian scripture. However if you people are still reluctant to prove Islam is not a true religion then do yourself a favor and accept the challenge which was given by our creator ALLAH SUBHANALLAH-w-TAALA in chapter 2:23 and in 10:38 produce a chapter like this. If anyone is man enough, then the next reply must be the chapter like Qur'an, I've never seen anyone in my life anyone accepted that challenge, never in 1437 years anyone had produced anything like this. Yes there is an attempt by some brain dead people where you see the difference.

Now the game is in your hand produce a Surat or stay silent. If you have any doubt you can give me the challenge to produce a chapter like bible, which obviously is a child play for me and I'll produce, and you know this very well, at least in my life time bible was revised at least 1 time And many verses have been completely wiped out from bible..... Every Christian is very well aware abut it.

If anyone who is reading my post have courage then accept the challenge.

Sura 72 is more interesting. It is called Jinn (demons).Verse 1 says those demons listened to the Quran and they heard a "wonderful recital". What words could leave the demons happy? The jinns also call him our Lord? Who was this lord of the jinns? In verse 3 the jinns did not forget to remind us that their lord has neither a wife nor a son. So they know there is a God who has a son.Sura 46 Ahqaf 29 - 32 the jinns again listened to the Quran this time in silence. Later the jinns returned to 'their people' and everngerlized of the book that guides men in the truth and right path. One wonders can demons help God in spreading the word?

I have Muslim neibours and to date they are sometimes attacked by jinns and you can guess what they do... They read the Quran to the jinns and yes the demons cool down(for some time). What is this book that the demons like so much? Its the words of their leader and they truely listen to his deceit. And that is what they did in heaven and a third of all the angels fell for his deceit. Allah reminds us in Sura 113:2 he is the creator of all evil.

Allah will lie. He that hates the king of kings will, lie. The man Allah refers to is Jesus who is the King of Kings being God with blood in him for a short time. Allah cannot call himself the King of Kings and yet he says he is God. Don't Muslims smell a rat?

This is all I have to say the real God said a day would come when men would think they were doing His work by killing believers in him and his son Jesus Christ. Hard core islamists fulfill that prophesy and in doing so are murderers like their father Satan Father of lies so corrupt and proud he made Muhammed proclaim his being the best at lying and teach his followers to lie just like him. When The true God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob is not a man that he should lie. God is the spirit of truth and light Jesus is the Way the truth and the Life no man sees God without being saved by him and all liars will be tossed in the pit

disbelievers are deluded you aren't as special as you believe you are. Allah can say the truth about people like you because Allah created you and you choose to disbelieve in your creator and on top of that you think you can take offence to Allah speaking truth about your deluded self? This is a warning and if you don't change your ways then be ready for the eternal punishment that you will have earned while the believers will be enjoying eternal peace and rewards for our belief. Blessed be Allah Lord of the worlds. :)

If we go to the origin of the name so called Allah, Allah was a god of moon and not Almighty God. That's why there will always be a crescent moon shape whether in their flag or logo or whatever you can come up with.

Allah was one of the 330 gods worshiped by the muslims and these 330 idols are still in their great mosque which are hidden beneath. All muslims bow to these 330 idols in reality and not the Living God. And i suggest that muslim guys, kindly do a little deep research with unbias mind in the religion so called Muslim.

The muslim leaders buried these idols because their religion was included in the paganism and to remove themselves from paganism and deceive mankind professing that they (muslims) too serve a unseen God (they hid the idols).

We must be clear that Muslim did not worship Living God, and are not worshiping Living God, and will never worship Living God.

As Hindus says that all Muslims are deceivers because their god himself is the father of deceivers and liars.

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