This letter to 4international is based on how reality always works itself out and in the end does contradict the lies of those who construct conspiracies.

As has been noted very often the main lie about Srebrenica was the number 8000. Many have wondered “Why 8000?”

In this sense the number means little. What gives meaning to the whole thing is the non-stop propaganda churned out by the Media around this event

Remember that I looked into how the Irish Times treated the story. For months on The Irish Times there was no mention at all of any massacre, never mind numbers.

Then as if from nowhere this figure of 8000 began to be included in stories.

I noted at that time something like 3 main stories per fortnight on The Srebrenica Massacre. Given that was repeated in all of this worldwide Media you have literally hundreds of thousands, maybe more, of this story of 8000 massacred in Srebrenica, until the point of saturation is reached where it is taken as something akin to the Four Gospels of Christian tradition

But there was a real history in Srebrenica.

The US did need the creation of a “massacre” in order to swing American public opinion behind US full intervention, to attack Serbia and to remove the Serbs as an oppositional force.

And this need to intervene, a neocons project as part of a much wider neocons project, led on to these actions in Srebrenica.

Keep that in mind A MASSACRE HAD TO BE CREATED

It could be a REAL MASSACRE or a VIRTUAL MASSACRE

Remember that I read the official Dutch report on Srebrenica (Dutch report because Dutch Soldiers were widely blamed) and that report made up by very sober Dutch investigative and learned types stated clearly that they found no evidence that the Serb soldiers murdered anybody in malice. I stand by that position.

As to the evidence of Erdymovic, well he was a supergrass, bought, paid for, owned, by the Hague Liars

Remember that if as I think the Serb soldiers killed nobody in malice (in battle of course yes) that the trap was still sprung on the Serbs and then all the liars could go to work

Our reader here for one thing shows that there was a real split in the ranks of the Muslims, that the Muslim leaders in Srebrenica felt betrayed by Izetbegovic and Oric, and that they reacted to this betrayal and slander against them by spilling the beans on that Clinton proposal to Izetbegovic in 1993 to “create” a massacre.

Dear Mr. Quigley,

It’s interesting to go back to these original newspaper articles from the moslem side to see how the Western political and media establishment made pathological lying into an art form.

BOSNIAN MUSLIM NEWSPAPER 1998

<b>”5,000 Muslim Lives for Military Intervention”</b>

(Bosnian moslem newspaper) Dani, Sarajevo, Bosnia-Hercegovina, June 22 1998
Interview with Hakija Meholjic (Moslem), president of Social Democratic Party for Srebrenica, by (Dani reporter) Hasan Hadzic (Moslem)
Hakija Meholjic: We were received there by President Izetbegovic, and immediately after the welcome he asked us: <i>”What do you think about the swap of Srebrenica for Vogosca [a Sarajevo suburb]?”</i> There was a silence for a while and then I said: <i>”Mr. President, if this is a done thing, then you should not have invited us here, because we have to return and face the people and personally accept the burden of that decision.”</i>

Hasan Hadzic: So you rejected Izetbegovic’s decision?

Hakija Meholjic: We rejected it without any discussion. Then he (Izetbegovic) said:

<b><i>”You know, I was offered by Clinton in April 1993 (after the fall of Cerska and Konjevic Polje) that the Chetnik(Bosnian Serb) forces enter Srebrenica, carry out a slaughter of 5,000 Muslims, and then there will be a military intervention.” </b></i>Our delegation was composed of nine people, one among us was from Bratunac and unfortunately he is the only one not alive now, but all the others from the delegation are alive and can confirm this.

In a January 18th, 1999 interview with (Bosnian Moslem newspaper) ‘DANI’, Nesib Buric, former member of an ARBiH (Moslem) battalion stationed in Srebrenica, and now Deputy Mayor for Social Security of War Veterans and Disabled Persons in Srebrenica, clearly summed-up the perspective of the local Srebrenica (Moslem) faction within the ARBiH:
<b>”Humane Transfer of Population”</b>

Nesib Buric: “I know that <b>they are now trying to humiliate people from Srebrenica and spread rumors that we supposedly did not fight and were slain while running away from Srebrenica. No one can deny that in the Srebrenica municipality there are 2,000 buried fighters. </b>No one can deny that we set up a large free territory. However, without assistance from outside we could not hold out for long surrounded by the enemy. <b>You can write that I absolutely support the statement by Hakija Meholjic that we were betrayed. </b>Why does not someone refute his assertions with arguments? Instead they are using slander and saying that Hakija was like this and like that. Hakija was among the first people in Srebrenica to pick up a rifle and work on the organization of the resistance. Therefore, he has the right to speak up. <b>Ibran Mustafic and those women do not have the right to make lists for the Hague Tribunal. They do not have any evidence for that.</b> In Srebrenica, Ibran refused to fight and lead a brigade, but turned to his prewar flirt with politics. As far as Hakija is concerned, you can write that every single child from Srebrenica agrees with his statement.”

Note by me: If the moslem side claims 2,000 fighters killed in battle in Srebrenica during the previous months and assuming this is true and the Western establishment say they have found 1,900 bodies so far (lets assume for the sake of argument they were all identified as moslems) then that fits fairly well.

The 3,800 Serbian civilians massacred on the other hand in surrounding villages from the beginning of the war in April ’92 until July ’95 would obviously be ignored.

Take this article for example from the moslem side. It’s no surprise that the Serbs incarcerated at The Hague end up dying of supposed “heart attacks” and “suicide” while under 24/7 video surveillance:

Ibran Mustafic, representative in Bosnian and Federal Parliaments, founder of SDA in Srebrenica and the captive of the Serb Army after the fall of this town, talks about the events about which he had unsuccessfully tried to speak in the Bosnian Parliament.

(reporter): Who are the people you accuse and the people you don’t trust?

Ibran Mustafic: <b>Scenario for the betrayal of Srebrenica was consciously prepared.Unfortunately, the Bosnian presidency and the Army command were involved in this business;</b> if you want the names, figure it out yourself. I understood the situation in Srebrenica and, you can trust me on this, had I not been prevented by a group of criminals, many more inhabitants of Srebrenica would be alive today. Had I received an order to attack the Serb army from the demilitarized zone, I would have rejected to carry out that order without thinking and would have asked the person who had issued that order to bring his family to Srebrenica so that I can give him a gun and let him <b>stage attacks from the demilitarized zone</b>. I knew that such shameful, calculated moves were leading my people to a catastrophe. <b>The orders came from Sarajevo and Kakanj.</b>

(reporter): What were the consequences of the <b>attacks staged from the demilitarized zone</b> for the inhabitants of Srebrenica?

Ibran Mustafic: That was <b>a conscious giving of a pretext to the Serb forces to attack the demilitarized zone.</b>

(reporter): Who in Srebrenica accepted to carry out those orders?

Ibran Mustafic: Those individuals who, in the Summer of 1995, without a scratch left Srebrenica (…). It is well known that that team managed to get out and take with along the elderly, children and horses. I can only thank God, that a number of honest people and patriots managed to get out with them. (…) According to our custom when someone finishes the foundations for a house, an animal must be slaughtered on top of them. It seems that Srebrenica was a sacrificial lamb for the foundation of this state.

(reporter): Do you think that the events would have been different had Srebrenica truly be demilitarized?

Ibran Mustafic: Had some people then, or later, in 1994 and 1995 accepted to evacuate the people and to concede the territory, that would have represented the public division of Bosnia. It seems that they want to divide this state in a secret, perfidious way.

(reporter): Who are you talking about?

Ibran Mustafic: About the official authorities.

(reporter): Why wasn’t then, as you suggest, Srebrenica surrendered in 1993? What was the goal of such “games” with Srebrenica?

Ibran Mustafic: The basic goal of that game was the illusionary freedom of Sarajevo and the Bihac region. What hurts the most is the attitude towards the survivors from the Drina valley who were in Srebrenica in July 1995. <b>Present attitude of the authorities towards those people is enough to convince me that the authorities expected that the number of the survivors would be smaller; it seems that the number of survivors is too high for their calculations.They made me say this: <i>”It seems you are afraid of living Srebrenica inhabitants.”</i></b>

As part of our discussion on Israel and Georgia I thought it would be an idea to republish this comment on a famous article by a friend of 4international, Max or Enigmax as he wittily called himself!

Is it not obvious to anyone with half a brain that Georgia led by Saakashvili is the US and British puppet and that he is the equivalent of say the KLA, or Tudjman, or Izetbegovic, who were the battering rams and Imperialist stooges against Serbia.

The folowing comment then by Max raises all of the issues inside a few lines. Revisit this discussion en toto to ascertain rather accurately the complete political bogland which is Israpundit on matters of political principle.

[Start comment by Max here]

Bill Narvey, you have completely missed the point and essence of the article! This post by Nathan Pearlstein has very little if anything to do at all with “taking sides” between the Islamofascist KLA Albanian terrorists currently in power in Kosovo who wish to create a fascist Islamist state versus the principled opposition to this by the governments of Serbia and Russia. Continue reading →