Daewoo shows off Blu-ray player at IFA

Daewoo has shown off its first Blu-ray Disc player, the slim blue-hued DBP-1000, at the IFA consumer electronics show in Berlin. The company said that the player supports the full Blu-ray specification, even the ability to access BD Live online content and present picture-in-picture material. It fully supports Blu-ray interactivity features.

Early Blu-ray players lacked support for many of these features because the specification had yet to be completed. The new Daewoo player provides full 1080p HD content through its HDMI output and has the ability to upscale standard definition DVD to Full HD resolution. As a nice extra bonus, the player support DivX content too.

The player is compatible with all recordable/re-writing CD and DVD formats along with BD-R and BD-RE. It also sports a USB port on the front of the player to access content from a flash storage device. The company has not announced any possible release date yet or given any clue to how much it would cost.

Anyhoo, this is supposed to be a 'profile 2.0' compliant Blu-ray player.

But there's no way anyone is getting 'profile 2.0' Blu-ray before they have finally gotten 'profile 1.1' Blu-ray to the market.

There's not a single 'profile 1.1' Blu-ray player available right now, there's no serious indication of when one is coming and they have put back the mandatory introduction of 'profile 1.1' to Nov.

......which is why they are rushing out new non-profile 1.1 players to market now before the deadline.

I wonder how many people buying Blu-ray players at least in part on the basis of the supposedly 'advanced features' (which require 'profile 1.1' or 'profile 2.0' compliance) are going to end up being very pi*sed off at their being misled by the advertising
(which dishonestly implies they can all do all the 'extra' stuff)?

Happily HD DVD offers all those extra features now (and done better with iHD too).
And the most available content.
And the most exclusive content.
And the largest potential catalogue.
And all at a sound and image quality only equalled by Blu-ray sometimes, often not.
And all at much lower prices.

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I have to say I'm skeptical too. I mean the concept is good but isn't daewoo a company that has a rep fro selling cheap electronics? Am I wrong? Correct me if I am tho!

A player that is compatible with all Blu-ray features, and be a true 2.0 player... well, let's just say even with the extra time it will take them to roll this out in mind + the pricing system these days, it will be quite a large price tag no?

Originally posted by banshee07: hughjars seriously do you just jump into anything sony or blu ray just to spit garbage out of your mouth? this is getting old. please stop already

- Must have hit a raw nerve.

Awkward facts will do that for some people.

You'll be trying to tell us that anyone pointing out the poor picture quality in many Blu-ray movies or how many Blu-ray movies only have relatively 'low-fi' sound (despite all the claims about the format's potential huge space) is just a fanboy lie too I take it?

Then again their latest b*lls-up is pretty funny but I suppose anyone spotting the laughably ridiculous cropping in one of those supposedly 'killer' Blu-ray movies (POTC) is just a fanboy too?

Originally posted by banshee07: never said i was a fanboy just tired of reading your b.s. as as many others on the site.

- Well tough t*tty old son, it's a public discussion forum and I'm as entitled to my say as any Sony/PS3/Blu-ray fanboy/shill.

Some people appreciate the facts - which are often sadly lacking from far too many of the game-console fanboy type poster's comments here.

Originally posted by banshee07: and you are right bout the potc it was a bad crop job.

- So I take it then that you might agree that's it's fair comment and exactly the sort of thing people might like to know about and discuss when we're referring to the situation regarding the high def formats, huh?

Originally posted by banshee07: And what about traffic on hd-dvd do we need to talk about the issues that were on that disk?

- Er, what "issues"?

It wasn't the greatest HD DVD movie yet produced but it was decent enough.
Dolby Digital+ @ 1.5mbps audio and VC-1 image......and what?

I know a few HD DVD movies had playback problems with some players but they were either faulty discs replaced very quickly or else players in need of a firmware upgrade which was also produced quickly.
You're not trying to imply that no Blu-ray players or movies ever had similar issues are you cos I know for a fact that the Samsung BDP1000 had several 'issues' and they had a problem with 'disc rot' on some discs
(again.....the same Sony plant had similar troubles when they made laser discs).

Originally posted by banshee07: what exclusives that hd-dvd hold more than blu-ray has seeing how you say they have more exclusives?

it currently shows
(and remember this is pre-the Viacom/Paramount move)Blu-ray with 184 exclusive movies and HD DVD with 179.
But this is not true; it only applies to movies within the USA and in fact the Blu-ray total is approx 60 less 'exclusive movies' than claimed.

Thanks to different publishing and distribution deals in other parts of the world
(and thanks to HD DVD being region-free everytime)
you can source over 60 of those supposedly 'Blu-ray exclusive' movies internationally on HD DVD because they are actually only 'Blu-ray exclusive' in the USA.

The HD DVD supporter misses out on 39% while the Blu-Ray owner now misses out on 45%.

But if you take into account that 60 of those supposedly 'exclusive' Blu-ray titles are in fact available on HD DVD internationally (which thanks to HD DVD being region-free everytime you can buy without worry) it turns out Blu-ray currently has in fact only 124 or so exclusive titles (and that was before this move by Viacom/Paramount. MTV Film/Dreamworks/Nickelodeon).

Now that they have decided so decisively Paramount will begin to ramp up production which will actually end up making a much bigger difference than before or is visible in those numbers too
(and offsetting the return of Fox to Blu-ray disc production.......cos they were nowhere to be seen until their announcement the day after Paramount spoke - and have yet to deliver into the market anything tangible).

Unfortunately far too many of the Sony/PS3/Blu-ray fanclub like to pretend almost every Blu-ray release is on a BD50 dual layer 50gb disc at the maximum peak of what the format might be capable of in audio and image quality.

That's far from the truth.

The majority of Blu-ray relases have been MPEG2 and on BD25 single layer 25gb discs
(this is in fact less capacity than the majority of HD DVD disc releases.
206 HD DVD 30gb discs = 73% of HD DVD releases verses 178 BD 25 = 60.9% of Blu-ray releases).

Total 25gb Blu-ray discs released so far: 178 (out of around 297 titles released to date).
Codecs used by Blu-ray -

Can I join the hughjars 'take a break' club as well. This guy is seriously disturbed. Anything that may hint at blu-ray doing something right is jumped on by him. On the other hand, HD-DVD can do no wrong in his eyes. He is the first disc format fanboy I know, and he takes it all so seriously. Well done, hughjars, may I award you the medal of geekiness.

If you can point out anyone else giving the facts about Blu-ray around here then I'll happily let them take the lead.

But I'm not seeing anyone showing how the Blu-ray stand-alones won't play BD -R & BD -RE discs;
I don't see anyone mentioning the Blu-ray 'profile 1.1' has been delayed;
I haven't even seen a single mention of Blu-ray 'profile 2.0' and
I have never seen anyone mention things like HD DVD having the largest amount of available content or the largest amount of exclusive content.

......and I sure as hell haven't seen anyone showing how those 60+ supposedly Blu-ray exclusive movies are available on HD DVD and how to get them.

Originally posted by connolly: Well done, hughjars, may I award you the medal of geekiness.

Originally posted by hughjars: Yeah, of course.
What an accurate & appropriate analogy. Not.

Nevermind what is said just attack the guy saying it, huh?

........and how terrible of me to come to a place dedicated to discussing the latest in a/v & computers and not be a vacuous game-console fanboy or talk about cars or my family!?

Jeeezuss and you have the cheek to talk about anyone else looking a "right tw*t" here!?

Hughjars:

What they are saying is you never say anything negative about HD-DVD which there are just like Bluray but if someone say anything positive about Bluray you jump on them.Its fine to debate but it isn't cool to jump down people throats about Bluray on every Bluray news tread.People have the right to own what ever they want.

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Originally posted by 24Lover: What they are saying is you never say anything negative about HD-DVD which there are just like Bluray

- But that's just it, HD DVD is nothing like the same as Blu-ray when it comes to 'security' and the damage it is specifically designed to do to the sharing community.

That and the fact that they have spent the last year and a half slamming HD DVD with half-truths and lies.

They're just reaping what they sowed.

Originally posted by 24Lover: if someone say anything positive about Bluray you jump on them.

- Oh get off of it, it's a public & open message board for discussing just these types of issues.

When I've given opinion I say so and when I've stated facts I've backed them up......no-one is forcing anyone to take the slightest bit of notice in any way.
Those interested will have a look and those not will undoubtedly move on to something that does interest them.

Originally posted by 24Lover: People have the right to own what ever they want.

- Obviously - and a debate here or anywhere else doesn't stop, or 'make', people do anything.

Originally posted by connolly: Have a good day.

- You too. ;)

Originally posted by Jay1gee: How come I never read about the Lite-On hybrid player on these posts?
That should make everyone happy considering it supports both formats....

- Sadly it doesn't support iHD (the HD DVD interactive functions) fully and so cannot carry the official HD DVD badge (and it hasn't been approved by the DVD Forum, the body which regulates and approves 'official' HD DVD kit).
It's also only Blu-ray 'profile 1.0' compliant = built-in obsolescence.

Hybrid/dual format may be the way to go but that still doesn't address the BD+ problems with so-called 'security' etc etc which are inherent with the BD design.
Nor does it address the fact that Blu-ray is a region encoded format unlike HD DVD.

The Samsung BDP5000 was hoped to be a better stab at the dual format player (it is DVD Forum approved & iHD functional) but according to the German website it is not (as was originally hoped) 'profile 1.1' compliant either.

Some people might like to just ignore all the 'profile' business but it indicates just how 'unfinished' Blu-ray is as a format and the way people are being (IMO dishonestly) sold equipment that is under-spec'd for the features it is being advertsied as having.