But whichever of Spain or Netherlands wins, it would be pretty churlish to deny them the title of the "best team". Both have perfect qualifying records, Spain have lost 2 games in 4 years FFS and Netherlands are on a long winning streak. If Brazil self-destruct on the biggest stage, they aren't the best team in any sense.

"The PFA does not represent players when they have broken the law and been convicted on non-football matters."- Gordon Taylor in 2009 following Marlon King's release after a prison sentence for sexual assault & ABH

He's right tbf. No one else in the tournament is really as good as Brazil. One bad half doesn't change that. Knockout football hey. The best team hardly ever wins, but the team that does win pretty much always deserves it 100%.

Really?

Feel it is Brazil being overated because they are Brazil.

Sure they are a good side but who did they beat? North Korea, Ivory Cost and Chile.

Not sure how this makes them the best side in the tournament.

If Spain had beaten those sides then gone out in the gutless fashion Brazil did then Scaly would leap all over it.

Sure they are a good side but who did they beat? North Korea, Ivory Cost and Chile.

Not sure how this makes them the best side in the tournament.

If Spain had beaten those sides then gone out in the gutless fashion Brazil did then Scaly would leap all over it.

Spain got the better players on balance as well.

Agree with this, a mediocre Brazil side if I've ever seen one, and I saw the 1990 vintage.

Couldn't beat Portugal, Spain did. Fairly good form line I'd of thought. Fabiano and Robinho, Brazilian greats? Nah not for me I'm afraid. Lucius was their best player, a defender, pssh.

Not going to be a great side win this World Cup, but that's nowt new, they'll be better then last times winner. Whoever wins it I reckon will have deserved it, again unlike last year, and a number of other World Cups I can remember.

If Spain win it, they'd deserve it, but it'd be such a sad event. Played aesthetically disgusting possession-defensive football only trying to score off set pieces and counters and just waiting for the opposition to make a mistake.

Yeah, hate it when commentators coo about Spain's beautiful passing game. Would much rather watch Germany or Uraguay play than Spain.

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If Spain win it, they'd deserve it, but it'd be such a sad event. Played aesthetically disgusting possession-defensive football only trying to score off set pieces and counters and just waiting for the opposition to make a mistake.