They've known this for decades. That's why they're firing rockets in the general direction of Israel ("Into" Israel is technically correct, but seems to give more credit to the Palestinian's capacity to aim their rockets than they really deserve), so that the Israelis will retaliate and undermine the authority of the Palestinian (West Bank) government that at least seems to want to move on from the ridiculous goal of retaking the country and just get on with being a real country. Israel, of course doesn't mind playing along with Gaza's plan since they want to keep the West Bank from being sovereign so they can keep putting up settlements and because the Israeli government looks good to its people when it's blowing up stuff. You can make up your own mind which is more important to them.

You know, using WP is wrong period. But so is firing missiles at civilians. HAMAS usually tarts this. I mean sure HAMAS is a annnoying little nerd, but if the little nerd keeps slapping the Linebacker in the face the linebacker is going to respond. The linebacker will look bad, but sometimes you gotta look a little bad.

Vegan Meat Popsicle:Oh good. A bunch of people who think a magic sky man gave them a chunk of desert in the middle of someone else's property are going to go beat the shiat out of a bunch of people who think the appropriate response to losing their land is to blow up buses and pizzerias full of innocent people who largely had nothing to do with it.[fc02.deviantart.net image 850x543]/hot like the fires of hell all these people can go burn in

Thats the argument I use against reparations but it just gets me called a racist

Funny enough from the standpoint of the history of human society, the point at which religion goes from worshiping feminine nature-based figures to revering male deities is typically shortly after you've seen the move from roaming, hunting and gathering societies that depend a lot on luck to survive (finding food, no ill turns in the weather which push herds away from their typical gathering places, and s on) to agrarian societies that don't move around much and whose survival depends largely on having big stockpiles of stuff.

Stuff you can take by force.

Then it's handy to make God a man 'cause, yanno, war's a man's game and all. All the Abrahamic faiths (including Christianity, Islam, and yes, Judaism)share more or less the same male deity, soooo.... you get this.

Which is why I worship transsexual gods. Even if you can take something by force, there's still the potential for bad luck.

mayIFark:NumberFiveIsAlive: I wonder how many people in here will see that the most recent round of violence started with Hamas attacked the IDF. IDF shoots back, Hamas shoots rockets indescriminately.

Israel does their share of stupid shiat, but Hamas ain't the cherub faced baby in this one.

Oh yeah? As President Clinton Famously said, "Arithmetic".

How many Israelis were killed by Hamas rocket, and how many Palestinians killed by IDF?

Something like 0/500?

It's not ok to fire rockets into population centers at all, regardless of how good you are at it.

It seems a bit unfair to blame Judaism for Israel's invasion, attacks on Palestine and piracy in international waters of aid ships to the Gaza Strip.

So which sovereign indian tribe do you belong to?

As for "piracy".

Israel: You are welcome to dock and have your equipment unloaded and inspected by us.

"aid ships": We aren't listening, nananah.

Israel: Stop or you will be boarded and searched

"aid ships": We aren't listening. nananah

Israel: Okay fine. *boards and searches*

Guess what Israel found on those "aid ships" - Munitions!

And for those of you who don't know what munitions are:military weapons, ammunition, equipment, and stores

For people that can read, but I doubt you care:http://www.humanevents.com/2010/06/10/gaza-flotilla-group-has-violent - past/

He failed to mention activists had access to knives, metal rods, clubs, bulletproof vests and night vision goggles. Fifty lacked passports while carrying large amounts of cash. Onboard as well were building supplies, such as cement, routinely used by Hamas to construct bunkers in Gaza.

What do the Ron Paul oompaloompas think non-intervention will lead to? A sudden unofficial agreement among all other nations in the world to also stop military funding abroad?

Of course not.

We send countries money because if we don't, someone else will, and then what? Then it's only a matter of time before one or two countries (Russia and China, most likely) gain a controlling stake in all these teetering countries and we're once again isolated on the Risk board.

That's why when the RP bots try to correct the use of the word "isolationism", they're not really looking at the overall effect of "non-intervention"....which is isolationism.

ideamaster:He failed to mention activists had access to knives, metal rods, clubs, bulletproof vests and night vision goggles. Fifty lacked passports while carrying large amounts of cash. Onboard as well were building supplies, such as cement, routinely used by Hamas to construct bunkers in Gaza.

It's a little known fact that building supplies have other uses besides constructing bunkers in Gaza for Hamas, as well.

lordjupiter:We send countries money because if we don't, someone else will, and then what? Then it's only a matter of time before one or two countries (Russia and China, most likely) gain a controlling stake in all these teetering countries and we're once again isolated on the Risk board.

This is the wonderful thread where we get to see hypocrites that otherwise claim to be peace loving come to the defense of terrorist organizations like Hamas. You know the same organizations that put into daily practice everything that their useful idiot defenders decry anyone else doing (murder, poor treatment of woman, civil liberties etc).

Never understood people like that, it's like the vegan that says it's okay to eat hamburger from Angus cows but goes around belittling anyone who dares to eat the meat of any other cow or other animal as being cruel to animals. Stand back, grab your marshmallows and get ready to watch everyone flame everyone....

mayIFark:NumberFiveIsAlive: I wonder how many people in here will see that the most recent round of violence started with Hamas attacked the IDF. IDF shoots back, Hamas shoots rockets indescriminately.

Israel does their share of stupid shiat, but Hamas ain't the cherub faced baby in this one.

Oh yeah? As President Clinton Famously said, "Arithmetic".

How many Israelis were killed by Hamas rocket, and how many Palestinians killed by IDF?

Something like 0/500?

When you're up against an enemy that's proud and wanting to die for his cause, you oblige him. Preferably in a way that prevents innocents from getting killed, on BOTH sides. But hey, which one hides among the civilians again?

Yep. Provocation: how does that work again? Israel is doing exactly what Hamas wanted them to do. They know how to get what they need out of Benjamin Is-a-nut-and-not-cute. And they know that Barack Obama will have to become involved to prevent a fire-storm in the Mid East.

Funny enough from the standpoint of the history of human society, the point at which religion goes from worshiping feminine nature-based figures to revering male deities is typically shortly after you've seen the move from roaming, hunting and gathering societies that depend a lot on luck to survive (finding food, no ill turns in the weather which push herds away from their typical gathering places, and s on) to agrarian societies that don't move around much and whose survival depends largely on having big stockpiles of stuff.

Stuff you can take by force.

Then it's handy to make God a man 'cause, yanno, war's a man's game and all. All the Abrahamic faiths (including Christianity, Islam, and yes, Judaism)share more or less the same male deity, soooo.... you get this.

Tat'dGreaser:lordjupiter: We send countries money because if we don't, someone else will, and then what? Then it's only a matter of time before one or two countries (Russia and China, most likely) gain a controlling stake in all these teetering countries and we're once again isolated on the Risk board.

No doubt there will be condemnations of Israel's strikes on Gaza. But remember this: Israel would leave Gaza alone if the terrorists would just stop firing rockets into Israel. It really is that simple. Israel wants to live in peace. Hamas and others want to live without Israel existing.

/ American Israeli in Tel Aviv// Safe from the 130+ rockets fired into Israel over the past three days/// At least until their range increases

onyxruby:This is the wonderful thread where we get to see hypocrites that otherwise claim to be peace loving come to the defense of terrorist organizations like Hamas. You know the same organizations that put into daily practice everything that their useful idiot defenders decry anyone else doing (murder, poor treatment of woman, civil liberties etc).

Never understood people like that, it's like the vegan that says it's okay to eat hamburger from Angus cows but goes around belittling anyone who dares to eat the meat of any other cow or other animal as being cruel to animals. Stand back, grab your marshmallows and get ready to watch everyone flame everyone....

The far left loves Muslims for some reason, despite the fact they're kookier on the whole than America's religious people by a wide margin. We're talking entire countries that oppress women, gays, freedom of speech, etcetera, pretty much the antithesis to social progression.

I'm tired of funding any of it. Israel can take care of itself. And they can continue to kill each other, just keep the U.S. out of it.

Son of Thunder:Tat'dGreaser: lordjupiter: We send countries money because if we don't, someone else will, and then what? Then it's only a matter of time before one or two countries (Russia and China, most likely) gain a controlling stake in all these teetering countries and we're once again isolated on the Risk board.