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Re-read the posts buddy, Printer is a sorta libby. There is some common ground here I can see, I think it is kind of exciting.

Nice if we can find some unity for a change.

I love arguing with everybody, I learn new things that way, but it makes me feel real good when we agree on something too.

Strange liberal. I do not believe that we should saddle future generations with debt and instead set up our countries to thrive. I feel the same way about where we live and the world we will leave for our children's children.

I think that there is no free lunch, liberals think the costs do not have to be paid and conservatives figure if we wait long enough the problem will solve itself. Basically both groups want someone else to pay for it.

Do you think I just pissed everybody off?

Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. Mark Twain

In the scientific community; one STARTS with a hypotheses. Then they look for data to PROVE the viability of the theory. Now this is critically important:

Unless an experiment can be duplicated by ANYONE, at ANY PLACE, with the SAME RESULTS... then the outcome is ONLY THEORY... it is NOT proven.

So far, I have yet to see ANY record of a viable experiment which can be repeatedly duplicated with the same results, to PROVE any of the claims of man-made climate change.

ALL I have seen so far is:
Oh, the world is warming... so it HAS to be mankind's fault... or
Oh, this (fill in the blank) is wrong (is it really wrong, or just something someone either does not like it or realizes they can use it for political gain) so it has to be mankinds's fault... or
Oh, you have been TOO successful, you should be ashamed of yourself... (insert guilt trip supported with fuzzy and un-provable science).

Regardless... I have yet to see any experiment which can be duplicated all over the world by any scientist in any country with THE SAME RESULTS.

Until I do see this... man-made climate change is ONLY AN UNPROVEN THEORY.

Now if anyone does not like this... PLEASE SHOW ME IRREFUTABLE proof that will stand up to the rules of scientific proof noted above... PLEASE SHOW ME, I am willing to listen... however ONLY if the replicatable proof is there.

What experiment do you propose to do on a global scale? Or are we not doing one now?

Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. Mark Twain

For all those who complain about personal automobiles, consider that commercial jet airliners make thousands of times as much pollution as cars, per person per mile, and that takes into account the typical one person per car and sardine-seating on the airliners. I have no basis to argue about climate change causes, but I know something about what pollutes more and less. There are of course many more cars than aircraft, but the planes are still a much bigger 'problem', if indeed the pollution is a problem. Air travel has gotten so cheap that people use it today, who would never have afforded it in the decade past but would have loaded into the station wagon and drove for 3 days. It's grown tremendously. Rail is better for less pollution per ton hauled, people or freight. nothing's as quick as a plane though and some business relies on fast travel. Business also likes to control things and putting someone on a flight removes the possibility of the employee incurring uncontrolled or unforeseen expense. I like to drive though, and if i have to be in Boston for a 4-day training, I'll take some vacation days and drive it. Lovely scenery, interesting people!

Strange liberal. I do not believe that we should saddle future generations with debt and instead set up our countries to thrive. I feel the same way about where we live and the world we will leave for our children's children.

I think that there is no free lunch, liberals think the costs do not have to be paid and conservatives figure if we wait long enough the problem will solve itself. Basically both groups want someone else to pay for it.

Do you think I just pissed everybody off?

Printer. I think you and I both just made everybody mad.

They will listen, but they may not hear.

"You boys are really making this thing harder than it has to be". Me

"I am not here to rescue you, I am bringing you along for emergency rations" Quark.

Service calls submitted after 3PM will be posted the next business day.

For all those who complain about personal automobiles, consider that commercial jet airliners make thousands of times as much pollution as cars, per person per mile, and that takes into account the typical one person per car and sardine-seating on the airliners. I have no basis to argue about climate change causes, but I know something about what pollutes more and less. There are of course many more cars than aircraft, but the planes are still a much bigger 'problem', if indeed the pollution is a problem. Air travel has gotten so cheap that people use it today, who would never have afforded it in the decade past but would have loaded into the station wagon and drove for 3 days. It's grown tremendously. Rail is better for less pollution per ton hauled, people or freight. nothing's as quick as a plane though and some business relies on fast travel. Business also likes to control things and putting someone on a flight removes the possibility of the employee incurring uncontrolled or unforeseen expense. I like to drive though, and if i have to be in Boston for a 4-day training, I'll take some vacation days and drive it. Lovely scenery, interesting people!

Public buses here belch black smoke, often no passengers..

"You boys are really making this thing harder than it has to be". Me

"I am not here to rescue you, I am bringing you along for emergency rations" Quark.

Service calls submitted after 3PM will be posted the next business day.

What experiment do you propose to do on a global scale? Or are we not doing one now?

Without a repeatable experiment with the same results... there is NO scientific proof... PERIOD. Debate is not an issue. SOOOO

If the GW or CC crowd wants to say they have the backing of scientists... they need repeatable experiments with same results. No repeatable experiments with same results... the THEORY is just that; a theory with NO proof. And until there is irrefutable proof... it is nothing more than fear based politics.

I am not a liberal. Screw the liberal solution of legislating solutions to BS they can neither prove nor understand. I HATE THAT> And I will fight hem tooth and nail.

I still celebrate the rare times when we find common ground/interests.

I am a hard-core republican with a libertarian bent. Dick Armey type of guy politically. I am fairly radical, Dick might disown me. I hope George Washington would approve, the man

I love the intellectual interaction with you guys, I am not intending to be coaxing favor nor antagonizing conflict. Just discussing.

I am only one voice here, mine has no merit over any other. Just the thoughts of one man. Your participation should not hinge upon my fragile input.

I am sorry if I offended you. I have been diagnosed with "Occasional Idiot Syndrome" but my disability bennies have not kicked in yet, so I still have to attend that annoying work/appearance thing.

Well, as long as folks will strongly rebuke liberal principles... that is all I need to hear. Not that my opinion matters... however: You pass my approval of being somewhere between a Conservative, a Constitutionalist, and a Libertarian. Now how about lets share one:

We are creating cold pockets all around the globe known as air conditioned buildings....say 1/4 of the globe was completely covered in air conditioned buildings that transfer heat from inside to outside...where does this heat go? To the other 3/4 of the globe that is left...so 3/4 of the globe not only contains the heat it would naturally have but also the heat transferred from the 1/4 that is covered in buildings PLUS the heat caused by the transfer process.

Well, as long as folks will strongly rebuke liberal principles... that is all I need to hear. Not that my opinion matters... however: You pass my approval of being somewhere between a Conservative, a Constitutionalist, and a Libertarian. Now how about lets share one:

I think the burden of proof is upon the wieners griping about global warming being caused by human activity. I am open to theories, but I see no viable proof. In science we can discuss it in fairness, but they can legislatively stuff it up the anus for now. With a heavy hammer.

Now me and printer agree that waste and excess is a societal problem aggravating the issue.

I am not a 'sell out' for some silly reason, I am just one of you guys. I fix ACs, I drive a 97 ford, just a small owner with a helper. I would gladly share a beer with you, I keep plenty stocked in the fridge. Like the one I am having now. It is kind of a food staple, because you have to drink a lot of beer to earn calories needed to do the kind of physical work we have to do.

"You boys are really making this thing harder than it has to be". Me

"I am not here to rescue you, I am bringing you along for emergency rations" Quark.

Service calls submitted after 3PM will be posted the next business day.

We are creating cold pockets all around the globe known as air conditioned buildings....the heat from said buildings must go somewhere....say 1/4 of the globe was completely covered in air conditioned buildings that transfer heat from inside to outside...where does this heat go? To the other 3/4 of the globe that is left...so 3/4 of the globe not only contains the heat it would naturally have but also the heat transferred from the 1/4 that is covered in buildings PLUS the heat caused from the transfer process.

Wow where did you get that from? You my friend are way off base, no off the planet in that statement. How about a link? This should be interesting.

Land covers only 29% of the earth's surface. The rest is covered by water. You have deserts, mountains, forrests, jungle and vast areas of frozen tundra making up the land mass.

I suspect buildings would make up a lost less than 0.1% of the land mass at best and then by deduction only 0.029% of the surface of the world. Thank you, thank you very much

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