I've heard that skippers in the UK actually CHARGE people to race with them. Really? I've been racing here in the USA for 20 years and have never heard of such a thing. How can anyone have the audacity to get other people to pay your bills? IMO if you can't afford to race what you have then get something smaller that you CAN afford.

no not really. some do if they are goin to competitions and need to spilt the cost. they may also charge if your doin the circuit with them or if your goin to become a team therefore needing to pay for the maintenance of the boat.

I've heard that skippers in the UK actually CHARGE people to race with them. Really? I've been racing here in the USA for 20 years and have never heard of such a thing. How can anyone have the audacity to get other people to pay your bills? IMO if you can't afford to race what you have then get something smaller that you CAN afford.

I don't have a problem with people organising a season or six on something that stretches them financially yet keeping the team on by asking them to contribute to race entries, shore accomodation, food etc

Happens in the US too no doubt.

What does pÆÆÆs me off is being asked by the owner to come along with no notion of any costs, asked later to pay a share of entry, delivery diesel, and not being allowed to stay on the effing boat!

I have stormed off from two and learnt to ask the crew before I commit to penny pinchers- actually prefer sports boats to 40ft+ now on these grounds- you know you are likely to pay for a bed atleast!

I've heard that skippers in the UK actually CHARGE people to race with them....I've been racing here in the USA for 20 years and have never heard of such a thing.

So you expect somebody else to pay for your hobby.

That does seem to be a very common attitude in the US. That's probably why its so much more of a rich man's sport there than here... You get discussions on SA about how the owner should be expected to shell out for all the meals, all the hotel bills (3 star or better please), free T shorts and goodness knows what else as well as picking up all the costs of the boat...

never paid a penny to sail on anothers boat , did about six years solid starting in teens in keelboats , inshore and offshore , still race occaisonally , but prefer my own cat .

I would never expect anyone to pay to sail on a boat I own ,nor would I pay to sail on anothers . although up here we are considered mean ! , its pretty rare for folks to ask crew to pay ,its all part of buying and racing boats , you do get joint ownerships which can work.

I don't see the problem with an owner asking for money to help run the boat, as long as they ask for it before any committment has been made by the crew. The status quo seems to be that in return for the 'skills' as crew people get a free ride. Long may this continue. Having said that if I had the chance to sail something cool then may be I'd be willing to contribute, it can't be much more expensive than running a racing condition dinghy!

If however when I was young daft and keen and raced 8 months out 12 on others boats there is no way I could have afforded it , I could barely keep myself in swally , though the owners DID look after us pretty well , sailed plenty cool boats from micro tonners to 50 footers , crew dinners were legendary .

You will be shocked at how many free receptions , goodies etc are handed out to keelboat events too , dinghy sailing is WAY behind , you could eat and drink on the sponsors for weeks if you were lucky .

Good to hear that when I get really decripid and hang my cat shoes up theres a new generation of folk coming through cash rich and ready to fund keelboat campaigns , but I'll be dribbling before I go back to that full time .

As a matter of interest do you guys pay sliding scales , like do the poor sods who sit on the rail pay as much as the cockpit , what about the foredeck , do they actually pay to get ingorned ,shouted at and generally risk their lives.

Wonder how much those guys in Americas cup pay to sail those mighty boats ,

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