After restart, it was stuck at the grey loading screen for 100 seconds

It only took mine 30 seconds. _________________The direct use of force is such a poor solution to any problem, it is generally employed only by small children and large nations.
Saru mono hibi ni utoshi.
Solo Mini & Mac Cube

Ahh. I could go for some of those right now mmmmmmmmm._________________The direct use of force is such a poor solution to any problem, it is generally employed only by small children and large nations.
Saru mono hibi ni utoshi.
Solo Mini & Mac Cube

Nope. After all, 10.2 was last updated more than three years ago. I think with 10.5 coming out, they will stop support for 10.3. It's kind of remarkable they are still updating (even just the security) 10.3 even after 18-19 months since the last release. Of course it would be obvious to leave support for 10.4. This keeps from Apple having to spread focus over a variety of versions. But also since 10.4 marks the beginning of the Intel transition. In a matter of time (not knowing how long) their updates will start to focus on Intel only._________________

Nope. After all, 10.2 was last updated more than three years ago. I think with 10.5 coming out, they will stop support for 10.3. It's kind of remarkable they are still updating (even just the security) 10.3 even after 18-19 months since the last release. Of course it would be obvious to leave support for 10.4. This keeps from Apple having to spread focus over a variety of versions. But also since 10.4 marks the beginning of the Intel transition. In a matter of time (not knowing how long) their updates will start to focus on Intel only.

That's actually pretty crappy if you think about it. I would expect security updates for at least 5 years. Hell, even MS is providing critical updates for Win2k until 2010.

Worse case scenario they could/should just take the latest 10.3 build with all security fixes applied and strip out features not in Jaguar and wha-la - 10.2.9. They should also strongly be considering releasing some free OS version like they did with 7.5. I'd like to see 8, 9, and possible 10.2 (the first really usable X) released for free download. This wouldn't hurt sales of new version at all considering the machines people would install these on can't even run anything newer; and it would make up for the fast upgrade cycle and crappy no-update-after-barely-over-two-years thing.

Actually, I meant the last major 10.2.x update, not the security update. My fault for not clarifying.

fuji257 wrote:

10.2 was released 9/02 with it's last update being in 1/05.

Yeah, that is still almost two years ago. But the last major 10.2.x update was before that.

fuji257 wrote:

That's actually pretty crappy if you think about it. I would expect security updates for at least 5 years. Hell, even MS is providing critical updates for Win2k until 2010.

But MS HAS to provide those. It has too many customers that still use that. I wouldn't say there is a majority of people still using OS X 10.2.

I see it this way. OS X 10.3 was released on 11/03.

So if you purchased a brand new mac late in 2003 with 10.2; you got your last update less than 1.5 years later. That's pretty crappy Apple should expect you to shell out another bill to keep using a secure OS so soon. That's just not enough support. They should provide critical/security updates for the OS for at least 5 years after the last machine with the said OS ships; IMO. Hell, 4 years would be OK - they didn't even hit that half way.

Not trying to argue or anything - I just think their speed in dumping support for their products is going to land them with a class action. That's down right unprofessional support. If you find that acceptable that's OK; I just respectfully disagree. At least you can purchase OS X for around bill where as MS's run closer to two.

To make it worse; anyone who paid money for 10 or 10.1 was ripped off to begin with (of course 10.1 was a free upgrade - 10.2 should've been too) but that's another debate . . .

I haven't been through many of these security upgrades, but there seems to be more stuff in this one compared to some of the others. I can't speak for the Mac mini (buying one this spring for HTPC), but it went smoothly with my MBP. The restart was just a little longer than normal.

I guess that is fine for the few thousand or so users who are still using that version. I understand what you are getting at. But especially with the new transition to Intel, you do have to cut some legacy stuff out eventually. I would rather have Apple focus on supporting current versions than 3 year old versions. Also I would rather have them focus on developing on things to come. Apple is not as a big of a company as MS. Also Apple is into hardware as well. They can't always support old versions, they should vastly improve upon what they have to spur sales. I don't think it is necessarily a bad thing. If you have 10.2, spend the $30-40 or so on 10.3. 10.3 has a pretty easy requirement set.

It also brings down to the question of the future. In 4-5 years, we probably will see support dropped for the G4. Hell that can be even sooner than that.

In all honesty, I don't think it is that big of an issue to make a fuse over. I doubt there are THAT many people using 10.2. I'm sure if they do, they really don't care about updates and are fine with what they have (otherwise they would have upgraded!)._________________