Hi,My strongest desire in regards to Latin is to be able to read Cicero with ease. I understand that he is incredibly difficult, but no pain, no gain, right? I presume that if I begin with his easier works, I can get his style down, and he will be that much easier on the harder works because I will know how he intends to say something.

With that in mind, what, in your opinion, is the best Cicero to begin with?

I think that his philosophical/rhetorical writings are easier than his orations. When I was still fairly new to reading unadapted Latin, I worked on his "De Amicitia" and "De Senectute"--the two are often paired up. Not terribly long, not terribly complicated. Plus, you can comprehend most of what he's saying without needing outside historical context, unlike most of his speeches. If you look around, you should be able to find editions with lots of notes for people in your position. I'm rereading these works now, and I find them quite enjoyable.

The first oration against Catiline, "In Catilinam," is a common introduction to Latin prose, but I don't think it's necessarily easy. However, it may be a good pick if you prefer the excitement of his speeches.

Cicero uses a fairly small vocabulary, so the more of him you read, the easier his other works will become. This is true for any author, but I have found that Cicero has a pretty consistent style and register, and he tends to stick to fairly common vocabulary. You won't find many rare or strange words in his writings. The language/style of his philosophical writings does differ from his orations (which in turn differ depending on their audiences), but it's nothing drastic.

thesaurus wrote:I think that his philosophical/rhetorical writings are easier than his orations. When I was still fairly new to reading unadapted Latin, I worked on his "De Amicitia" and "De Senectute"--the two are often paired up. Not terribly long, not terribly complicated. Plus, you can comprehend most of what he's saying without needing outside historical context, unlike most of his speeches. If you look around, you should be able to find editions with lots of notes for people in your position. I'm rereading these works now, and I find them quite enjoyable.

The first oration against Catiline, "In Catilinam," is a common introduction to Latin prose, but I don't think it's necessarily easy. However, it may be a good pick if you prefer the excitement of his speeches.

Cicero uses a fairly small vocabulary, so the more of him you read, the easier his other works will become. This is true for any author, but I have found that Cicero has a pretty consistent style and register, and he tends to stick to fairly common vocabulary. You won't find many rare or strange words in his writings. The language/style of his philosophical writings does differ from his orations (which in turn differ depending on their audiences), but it's nothing drastic.

And he LOVE deponents… We noted that in Latin class whilst reading In Catilinam, that like every third verb was a bloody depontent :/...

I strongly recommend Steven M. Cerutti’s Cicero: Pro Archia Poeta Oratio – A Structural Analysis (1999 edition), which breaks down all the complex sentences of the reasonably short ‘Pro Archia’ speech into simple visual diagrams and has accompanying sentence-by-sentence translations + ‘notes & discussion’ on the facing page. You can find a copy via bookfinder.com.

Of course if you want to make life more difficult for yourself, get the 2006 edition, which has replaced that initial brilliantly lucid layout with a dense jungle of vocabulary-cum-commentary under the Latin text (I just checked out Amazon’s 'Look Inside' feature). I'm not saying the 2nd edition would be useless, but first ideas are nearly always the best!

I've read far less of Cicero than I ought to, but I would propose the Tusculan Disputations. From what I remember, the philosophy of the first book is very accessible, and the argumentation easy to understand, which really help when struggling with the language: it is of course a pain to be held back by a difficult subject.