"So now we know the grand plan of the Peace Laureate (and his wag-tail pack of lapdogs in NATO) [*That's YOU Canada!] for the people of Afghanistan: civil war - facilitating an all-out, full-scale-never-ending-hydra-headed civil war to tear the country to shreds.."

"The unelected regime of President Hamid Karzai is one of the most hated and mistrusted governments on the planet. WIthout an alternative, NATO has been forced to create a massive security apparatus to keep his government in power. At present, there are close to 400,000 Afghans on the payroll of either the police or the army. The basic costs to maintain this massive establishment comes to about $4.1 billion per year, not including the current expense of untilizing NATO trainers and advisors.

Now that NATO is committed to pulling out in 2014, the central question at the Chicago summit was, who will finance the $4.1 billion cost of the Afghan security forces beyond that date? Happy to oblige, Prime Minister Stephen Harper pledged that Canada would contribute $110 million for at least three years, beginning in 2015.

Just like that, Canada has offered to spend millions to finance a corrupt and incompetent security force to prop up a hated regime for three more years..."

and just like that Canadians will swallow it - even as their social safety net disappears before their very eyes.

"I'm out. This will be the first presidential election as an adult I will not vote in. It is, I am saddened to believe, virtually meaningless who wins. Afghanistan is the size of Texas, with only 29 million people. You tell me, Mr President, what ten years, 46 nations, 130,000 troops and half a trillion dollars have done to help the Afghan people build a strong and peaceful democratic society? It could have been different..."

"...The committee's report condemns Canada's practice, during the Afghan mission which ended last year of handing prisoners over to Afghan security forces despite a 'substantial risk' that they would be tortured. In addition, the UN committee recommended that Canada promptly approve the transfer of Omar Khadr from Guantanamo to Canada's custody. The UN panel refers to 'Canadian officials' complicity in the human rights violations of Omar Khadr while detained at Guantanamo.."

and no domestic remedy to either could be achieved by our pols - shocking and shameful

"...And while the Americans had been keeping Pakistan out of the loop of even their now-collapsed peace negotiations with the Taliban, they had nudged Afghan President Hamid Karzai to sign on to a strategic partnership pact with India. This American wish for India's prominent role in Afghanistan has always been there.."

"Battle hardened from tours in Afghanistan, many of the 6,000 soldiers at CFB Petawawa returned from combat emotionally scarred and in need of help they can't seem to get. There are worries the base has become a powder-keg.."

Recently, Barack Obama travelled to Kabul to meet Afghanistan's so-called President Hamid Karzai. Both leaders used this meeting to pretend that they are ending this war when they are really trying to prolong it. Obama knows that the American people are turning against the war, and both men also know that the Afghan people are against not only the war, but the continued occupation of their country.

Both claim that the war will end in 2014, while saying simultaneously that American troops will remain in some capacity until 2024. As 2024 nears, they will probably say they mean to remain in Afghanistan until 2034.

"...I think that without exaggeration, it would be safe to say now that the vast majority of the Afghan people have really rebelled against the foreign occupation of their country. The only reason you're seeing more courageous resistance attacks against the coalition forces in Afghanistan, is because the ordinary Afghans are providing sanctuary, providing protection, providing access to the resistance fighters - the Al Qaeda, the Taliban - whatever you want to call it - whatever NATO wants to call them.

And everything you hear, frankly, about winning 'the hearts and minds' is really ancient history. The Americans have absolutely lost it as far as the Afghan people's hearts and minds are concerned...No one has undermined the international system in the 21st century more than NATO and the US, and this is very dangerous..."

Yeah, like they left Japan, the Korean Peninsula, Philippines etc. The Atlantic Alliance has coveted non-Atlantic real estate since way before a cold war got started. The Yanks have been meddling in Asia since before the October Revolution and since Vietnam. This is a map of Central Asia, and Afghanistan is smack dab. How can the US Military leave Afghanistan in a few years if they are embroiled in another war? Afghanistan would be a wonderful staging country for waging blitzkrieg over Iran. It's like making a deal with renowned liars and war criminals. Nothing they say is worth one thin dime. And we can tell they are lying. Whenever their lips move, it's a sure bet they are lying. And lapdog newz media backs-up the lies. The public is lied to constantly.

"American reluctance to confront Canada over its weak military hold in Kandahar province was among the costlier blunders of teh war in Afghanistan, a new book alleges. Excerpts published Friday by the Washington Post describe the rising concerns of a team of US military advisers who were stunned in 2009 when an unnamed senior Canadian intelligence officer in Kandahar told them 'I have no idea what's going on inside the city.'.."

there goes some more bs canucklhead mythology of our stellar accomplishments in Afghanistan....

"The greatest intellectual challenge in Fourth Generational war against opponents that are not states - is how to fight it at the operational level. NATO in Afghanistan, like the Soviets three decades ago, has been unable to solve that riddle. But the Taliban appear to have done so.

Like the Soviets, we can take and hold any piece of Afghan ground. And doing so brings us, like the Soviets, not one step closer to strategic victory. The Taliban, by contrast, have found an elegant way to connect strategy and tactics in decentralized modern warfare.."

and why the Canadian 'Training' mission is doomed to fail and should be ended asap.

Ashley Smith: If the U.S. is not developing the country, why is Obama committed to continuing the occupation till 2024?

Samira Sayed-Rahman: I don't believe that it's for any of the reasons that they claimed, whether that's fighting al-Qaeda, enforcing democracy, promoting women's rights or training the Afghan army. There are fewer than 100 al-Qaeda fighters in Afghanistan, so that is a huge joke for us.These are just excuses to stay in Afghanistan longer.

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Saba Maher: Maternal mortality is the highest it's ever been in Afghanistan. It's actually the highest rate in the world.

2024. And that will turn out to be a terrible lie because the U.S. Military rarely if ever gives up a colonial outpost toehold if they can help it.

The U.S. Military is there for the long haul. And they intend to continue propping-up the most ruthless motherfuckers they can find in Afghanistan same as they have since the 1980's. Afghans are not winning today. Ordinary Afghans haven't been winning for the last 30 years and counting.

"In Little America: The War Within the War for Afghanistan, author Rajiv Chandrasekaran reveals that senior American commanders believe their Canadian military counterparts dropped the ball in Kandahar province.."

"The Taliban appear to have achieved a strategic coup with the US-NATO decision to halt joint operations with Afghan security forces and the rising toll of deaths caused by locals turning on their foreign mentors..."

So where does this leave Canada and its remaining troops' mission? Apparently Canada's involvement is to be allowed to quietly fade into the history books, and the national memory hole, before it is even over...

"The Afghan govenrment is unprepared to assume security responsibility following the withdrawal of NATO forces in 2014 and could potentially collapse, the International Crisis Group (ICG) warned in a new report. The fragile security situation in Afghanistan is expected to dominate the agenda during a meeting of defense ministers from NATO member states on October 9-11.

As NATO prepares to transfer security functions to the Afghans, there is growing concern over the wave of 'insider' or 'green on blue' attacks in the country which have killed over 50 coalition troops this year..."

"Canadian soldiers were among the first to set combat boots on the ground in Afghanistan in October of 2001. Around 40 Canadian commandos from the highly secretive JTF-2 anti-terrorism unit were deployed after Sept 11, 2001, with British, US and American special forces troops around Kandahar. Now, over ten years and 158 casualties later, troops from the Land Forces Western Area and Joint Task Force West (LFWA-JTFW) are preparing to land in the desert of Afghanistan one final time..."

Western patriarchy has met its match and then some in Afghanistan, finding only defeat there once again without ever having put forward a convincing argument as to why they thought it might turn out different this time around. The problem is that neither side can ever admit to being wrong, and so it does come down to pure economics being the catalyst and culmination to this debacle, as people have said all along.

Where is the press coverage of these children. Where is the none stop CBC reporting on the sorrow of their families. Sorry I forgot these kids were called called Collateral Damage and our MSM doesn't report on those kinds of insignificant children.

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KABUL | Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:29am EDT

(Reuters) - Afghan President Hamid Karzai on Tuesday condemned a NATO operation that he said killed four children in the country's east, a claim the coalition said was possible.

"The Canadian military has launched a formal investigation after a racially charged video was leaked to CBC News. The video features an unidentified member of Canadian Forces Base Greenwood in Nova Scotia. The man is in brown makeup and wearing a turban pretending to be Osama bin Laden's brother..."

You can kill them or bomb them, burn their wives and kids, but CF has 'zero tolerance' for 'culturally insensitive and inappropriate' behaviour. What a perfect metaphor for PC Canada.

"...the last group of Canadian soldiers are to leave Thursday for Kabul, where they will participate in the second rotations of Operation ATTENTION. From mid-October to mid-November 2012, approximately 850 CF members have deployed to form the next Canadian CONtribution Training Mission - Afghanistan (CCTM-A). Serving as part of Operation ATTENTION, the soldiers will provide support for training and professional development of Afghanistan's national security forces until June 2013..."

"The Canadian military has launched a formal investigation after a racially charged video was leaked to CBC News. The video features an unidentified member of Canadian Forces Base Greenwood in Nova Scotia. The man is in brown makeup and wearing a turban pretending to be Osama bin Laden's brother..."

You can kill them or bomb them, burn their wives and kids, but CF has 'zero tolerance' for 'culturally insensitive and inappropriate' behaviour. What a perfect metaphor for PC Canada.

"...the last group of Canadian soldiers are to leave Thursday for Kabul, where they will participate in the second rotations of Operation ATTENTION. From mid-October to mid-November 2012, approximately 850 CF members have deployed to form the next Canadian CONtribution Training Mission - Afghanistan (CCTM-A). Serving as part of Operation ATTENTION, the soldiers will provide support for training and professional development of Afghanistan's national security forces until June 2013..."

And CBC got Shaun Majumder to champaion their crusade? Did they over look all the Osama Binladden videos he made himself lol

If they were not occupying a foreign country they would not have been killed. People have the right to fight against foreign troops occupying their country. The easy solution is for the US and its allies to just leave the country and then no more of their troops would be attacked in Afghanistan.

Where is the press coverage of these children. Where is the none stop CBC reporting on the sorrow of their families. Sorry I forgot these kids were called called Collateral Damage and our MSM doesn't report on those kinds of insignificant children.

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KABUL | Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:29am EDT

(Reuters) - Afghan President Hamid Karzai on Tuesday condemned a NATO operation that he said killed four children in the country's east, a claim the coalition said was possible.

"Collateral Damage" is so 20th-Century-Orwellian, calculated to be sterile and inorganic.

It doesn't capture the enthusiastic and playful whimsy of the sociopaths committing state-approved murder with their drone strikes: "Bugsplat!"

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When pilots at the ground control station who have fired at a target see a hit on one of their screens, they call out "Splash!," according to the Los Angeles Times.

Bugsplat: That is the name of U.S. Defence Department software for calculating and reducing collateral damage (dead civilians) resulting from airstrikes.

I killed him because he killed Muslims and I am fed up with people killing Muslims in Afghanistan. They have nothing to do there,

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The British government's emergency committee met today after two attackers butchered a man in a brutal daylight attack in London that officials say had signs of being motivated by radical Islam.

There are other reports where the Muslim Council of Britain were quick to distance this attack from anything, but not as fast as Cameron was in distancing this from UK foreign policy. The official consensus then would have it that the butchering of a soldier with meat cleavers outside of his barracks, in broad daylight, had nothing to do with anything, and that in any event this changes nothing, except for unspecified security measures presumably to follow.

Marjorie Cohn, a well-known professor of international law, wrote in November 2001:

“[T]he bombings of Afghanistan by the United States and the United Kingdom are illegal.”2

In 2008, Cohn repeated this argument in an article entitled “Afghanistan: The Other Illegal War.” ...

3a. Evidence Al-Qaeda Muslims Were on the Airliners

It is still widely thought to have been established beyond question that the attacks were carried out by members of al-Qaeda. The truth, however, is that the evidence entirely falls apart upon examination, and this fact suggests that 9/11 was instead a false-flag attack – an attack that people within our own government orchestrated while planting evidence to implicate Muslims. ...(and many more holes in USSA's flimsy, slip-shod 9/11 Commission cover-up and illegal war in Afghanistan)

The official dubya govmint version of 9/11 events is highly questionable as well as insanely racist.

"Peter Dale Scott continues his analysis of the US system of domination. In a conference in Moscow, the former Canadian diplomat summed up the findings of his investigation into the funding of the system with money derived from drug trafficking and hydrocarbon deals.

Although widely known, such facts are difficult to accept."

especially by Canucklheads unduly swayed by the mendacity of their media and elected 'representatives'..

"It's always been a precondition … that those who want to take part in reconciliation lay aside their weapons, lay aside their campaign of violence, agree to live under the laws of Afghanistan and the constitution of Afghanistan and then start the hard process of reintegration," the parliamentary secretary to Canada's defence minister said Wednesday.

Oh fercrissakes! If they had agreement on all of those things, they wouldn't need to negotiate! These Tories are such pompous idiots! They know nothing of human behaviour except mindless behaviourist reward-and-punishment methods. Everyone's a peon to be whipped into shape!

They're just an embarrassment. One can only hope that smarter heads are running the show.

"...The area of the city where the attack took place is the site of several important organizations including the United Nations Assistance Mission in Afghanistan, as well as the headquarters for the CIA and NATO-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF).

The American Embassy in Kabul was reportedly placed on lockdown, with ISAF confirming a lockdown over its Twitter feed. Other facilities in the area are said to be under lockdown as well. The CIA building in central Kabul was reported to be on fire shortly after the attack."

"At least nine corpses have been recovered in the region, one belonging to Sayid Mohammed, a local resident who was last seen being taken into US custody and whose body was found mutilated and footless. Mohammed's corpse was found in close proximity to the Nerk Special Forces Base in May."

"The government doesn't have much credibility outside the major citizen, so the people are already looking at the Taliban as a source of stability. Not that they agree with their ideology or the methodology. But they want to feel safe and don't want to be stopped and searched by foreign troops or anyone insulting their culture.

So I think we will see more people looking towards the Taliban because that's the only option they really have,' the journalist said."

The fire in the Chaman e Babrak camp began in Nadiai’s home shortly after noon. She had rushed her son, who had a severe chest infection, to the hospital. She did not know that a gas bottle, used for warmth, was leaking; when the gas connected with a wood burning stove, flames engulfed the mud hut in which they lived and extended to adjacent homes, swiftly rendering nine extended families homeless and destitute in the midst of already astounding poverty. By the time seven fire trucks had arrived in response to the fire at the refugee camp, the houses were already burned to the ground.

No one was killed. When I visited the camp, three days after the disaster, that was a common refrain of relief. Nadiai’s home was on the edge of the camp, close to the entrance road. Had the fire broken out in the middle of the camp, or at night when the homes were filled with sleeping people, the disaster could have been far worse.

Even so, Zakia, age 54, said this is the worst catastrophe she has seen in her life, and already their situation was desperate. Zakia had slapped her own face over and over again to calm and focus herself as she searched for several missing children while the fire initially raged. Now, three days later, her cheeks are quite bruised, but she is relieved that the children were found....

I can picture the Taliban explaining to farmers that drugs goes against their religious beliefs and politely asking the farmers to stop growing poppies but giving them other crops to grow instead like corn.

That's kind of the whole idea, P. We should never have gone there, and should never go there again. The British and Soviets and now the Americans have learned that lesson. It's a tough concept, but practice makes perfect.