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01 May 2008 05:43 pm

gosouthcoastMM2C Addict

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to be honest an arument will start here! anyway me (busboy22), I joied adfter Busboy99 and didn't know that he existed. I will get my name changed._________________ Go away, you're annoying award: All of the Bus Community

From what I've observed, it seems like most members here go through three stages: The N00b stage (not an insult, just a term for people just starting at the forum), wherein people familiarize themselves with the forum, get to know people, decide if they want to stick around. This is followed by the Modelling stage, wherein the member makes an attempt (earnest or half-hearted) to mod MM2. Many members give it a good shot, and a lot give up once they realize how much effort it takes. I'm impressed by some of the new members and their dedication to modding and how much they want to learn. After the modding stage ends, or the member becomes a well-accepted modder, the member reaches a third stage, for which I can't think of a name. But for the most part, these members move to the Soap Box, Technical Support, and Image Gallery, as they have finished with MM2, although they usually check PYP just to see what's up.

I seem to have managed that in just under 2 years. I made an attempt at modeling, it worked, I was happy, then forgot about it/lost interest. Most of my posts now are in the last four sections (from what I see).

I do think that people who continuously start arguments should be banned. But you shouldn't be banned if you don't argue often.
I've had my moments of being pissed, but I realise that "screaming" at someone over the internet isn't gonna do anything. All it will do is worsen the situation._________________

I feel like the one rule everyone needs to obey is that if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all. The majority of the arguments occur because someone went out of their way to post "stupid jerk you suck" instead of posting nothing and leaving the thread be. That's instigating an argument, and it does nobody any good._________________

01 May 2008 09:10 pm

Silent1Unknowna.k.a. Silent

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wil555 wrote:

I feel like the one rule everyone needs to obey is that if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.

Thats my number 1 rule. You won't believe how many times I quickly deleted my posts on second thoughts....though I probably shouldn't have said this. _________________2010 MM2C AWARDSMost Helpful to the Community Award
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01 May 2008 10:31 pm

HummersRock...is still seeing colours.

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Silent1Unknown wrote:

Thats my number 1 rule. You won't believe how many times I quickly deleted my posts on second thoughts....though I probably shouldn't have said this.

I just feel banning these members - annoying and argumentitive they are, will just put a huge amount of strain on the mods and Rippance._________________So it's "Goodnight" from me. And it's "Goodnight" from him. Goodnight!

02 May 2008 05:57 am

Bradley_WintMM2C Guru

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We have to be doing something wrong, because on other forums you just don't see this. There are the few exceptions but most are well controlled. I guess if there were certain mods who were responsible for particular sections, that would be kinda effective. It's kinda lot for Jason and Tim alone to manage all the forums...maybe there were one or two more...then dividing the forums into sections for each mod, it may help in some way...

I think if people were penalized though, it would discourage future activities...rather than giving chances over and over...show them that the boys above are seeing what is going on and will take some form of action if the behaviour persists.

02 May 2008 06:06 am

thenthornthingMM2C Hooligan

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Good point,
I think with the lack of authority in these forums mean that new members are thinking that it is acceptable to breech the rules and cause havoc on forums.
I know i have been inclined to point out things to peer members when i am blatently not a mod, but this is my nature, and by doing that I sometimes I cause more arguments.
But if the mods - as Bradley_Wint says were assigned to each area we could combat these idiots who are ruining the expereince for the rest.
Like those who just post a smiley in their post and nothing else, or, those - and there's several of them - who jsut post stuff totally unrelated to the topic.

Although people think i'm being an idiot by starting arguments by pointing out one's faults, I am trying to do what's best...... honest _________________So it's "Goodnight" from me. And it's "Goodnight" from him. Goodnight!

02 May 2008 06:13 am

alexsim2004MM2C Forums Addict

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wil555 wrote:

I feel like the one rule everyone needs to obey is that if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all. The majority of the arguments occur because someone went out of their way to post "stupid jerk you suck" instead of posting nothing and leaving the thread be. That's instigating an argument, and it does nobody any good.

Yes I totally agree - it would solve most arguments - but then again people would argue that they can't express their views to the community.

However it hasnt been that bad around here lately (the arguing)_________________

02 May 2008 06:07 pm

HummersRock...is still seeing colours.

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Bradley_Wint wrote:

We have to be doing something wrong, because on other forums you just don't see this.

Well when the bus noobs were arguing real good and they did that on another forum, they would have gotten one or two warnings, which would have stopped them or they would have kept going and gotten banned—that's what has been wrong on this forum, no action was taken. They were able to keep arguing with no kind of consequences because Rippance did not want to deal with them and any other mods present did not want to either._________________My MM2 Creations | My DeviantArt

02 May 2008 08:31 pm

RippanceHates Custom Titles

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HummersRock wrote:

They were able to keep arguing with no kind of consequences because Rippance did not want to deal with them and any other mods present did not want to either.

That's a bit of a black and white explanation. We've dealt with them many times and concluded that the only good action is self-regulation. Apparently, it's impossible for me to ask them to stop arguing, but I can ask you to stop giving it the attention they want so much._________________Rippance

In my opinion, we just have to be more welcoming to the newcomers and respecting each other's intrests. If we had learned how to do those two things, a lot of these arguments could have been prevented. For example, when a newcomer comes along and posts a question that has already been answered before, don't just say "Use the search function." or my personal favorite "Just google it." Instead, tell him the answer to his question and at the end, just say "But next time, try using the search function to see if your question has been already answered." I know this thread is a year old, but this is an example of what not to do. Note: I'm not trying to put down Richard_P, just using him as an example. (http://forum.mm2c.com/viewtopic.php?t=13093&highlight=) I know val111 loses it at the end, but that wouldn't have happened if Richard_P hadn't been so temperamental with him. Alright, so now back to the respecting each other's intrest thing. This probably has to be the easiest thing that I can imagine. Just let the people that like buses be. Just let them enjoy their buses. I do realize why you guys are biased against them because of the bus/bus company wars in the past but it is time to move on and put the past behind us. I hope my post didn't offend anybody and if it did, it was not intentional.

EDIT: Whoops, looks like I got lost im my little rant there. So, to answer the topics question, I don't think people that start arguments (by arguments, I mean flame wars) should be banned immedatly. They should get warnings the first few times, but after that, a ban should follow._________________“...the image is one thing and the human being is another...it’s very hard to live up to an image.”
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If an old thread has been bumped, an old thread has been bumped. Quit complaining, get over it and continue life. No big deal.

03 May 2008 05:59 am

thenthornthingMM2C Hooligan

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We're - or at least I, when post, search google - am trying to make a point.

If everyone posted their simple question here there would be hundreds of useless topics, some of which the same which could asil have been resolved by a simple google search or a foum search on here.

If some people weren't so bone idle, they would search before coming here._________________So it's "Goodnight" from me. And it's "Goodnight" from him. Goodnight!