Gina Haspel played a key role in America’s post 9/11 torture program and was a leader in covering up its excesses. Should that disqualify her from being CIA director? Whistleblower John Kiriakou believes it should.

President Donald Trump has nominated Gina Haspel — a person deeply involved in the agency’s former torture program — to be the new director. Last year, we interviewed CIA whistleblower John Kiriakou about his role in exposing this illegal program.

Barrett Brown talks with CIA whistleblower John Kiriakou and with Suzie Dawson, the head of New Zealand’s Internet Party. Brown also offers a brief commentary on what he thinks of the current “rule of law.”