The Theory of Relativity will begin to fall apart in 2016/2017 - Part II

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I think that relativity is tested based on Galileo 5 and 6 now.
The orbit inclination of these satellites are about 45° relative to ecliptic.

PREDICTION
Two opposite effects of time dilation will cancel each other out during haft of the orbit periods, when these satellites moves north relative to ecliptic.
Which mean no slower SR- time dilation (during that path of the orbit) as expected due to SR influence.

Only when moving south relative to Ecliptic, the time dilation should theoretical be as expected according to the prevailing theory.
However there is most likely a similar ASAM effect, - these contribution are seasonal, and also causing time dilation anomalies affecting the on board atomic clocks.
These seasonal periods contributes to disprove predictions based on the special theory of relativity.
In short, these ASAM periods can more or less weaken or strengthen the time dilation pattern caused by the north south vector.

Off course, scientists will be confused when discovering these facts.
They will (first at all) suspect and believe that gravitational anomalies on earth are to blame.
However, it will only a question of time, before we are forced to realize that the first crack in the theory of relativity is a matter of facts.

I think that relativity is tested based on Galileo 5 and 6 now.
The orbit inclination of these satellites are about 45° relative to ecliptic.
PREDICTION
Two opposite effects of time dilation will cancel each other out during haft of the orbit period, when satellites moves north relative to ecliptic. Which mean no slower SR- time dilation (during that path of the orbit) as expected by SR.
Only when moving south relative to Ecliptic, the time dilation should theoretical be as expected according to the prevailing theory.
However there is most likely a similar ASAM effect, - these contribution are seasonal, and also causing time dilation anomalies affecting the on board atomic clocks. These seasonal periods contributes to disprove predictions based on the special theory of relativity.
In short, these ASAM periods can more or less weaken or strengthen the time dilation pattern caused by the north south vector.
Off course, scientists will be confused when discovering these facts.
They will (first at all) suspect and believe that gravitational anomalies on earth are to blame.
However, it will only a question of time, before we are forced to realize the first crack in the theory of relativity is a matter of facts.

Very nice.

Write it up with specifics and submit it to a few physics journals.

Oh, wait, that's right, you have open contempt and disdain for detail and mathematics.

Never Mind.

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I read an ignorant fantasy about the Galileo 5 and 6 satellites that have been in place for about 3 years !
Their service is still listed as "Testing" so it is unlikely that they will ever be operational.

The deep ignorance is that all of the Galileo satellites have about the same inclination - 56.0 degrees for the ones n the correct orbits and 49.850 degrees for 5 & 6.Galileo Orbital and Technical Parameters

There are 14 operational Galileo satellites that are working as predicted by relativity. According to his delusions these should either not work or have strange data that he is too ignorant to look for.

I think that relativity is tested based on Galileo 5 and 6 now.
The orbit inclination of these satellites are about 45° relative to ecliptic.

PREDICTION
Two opposite effects of time dilation will cancel each other out during haft of the orbit periods, when these satellites moves north relative to ecliptic.
Which mean no slower SR- time dilation (during that path of the orbit) as expected due to SR influence.

Only when moving south relative to Ecliptic, the time dilation should theoretical be as expected according to the prevailing theory.
However there is most likely a similar ASAM effect, - these contribution are seasonal, and also causing time dilation anomalies affecting the on board atomic clocks.
These seasonal periods contributes to disprove predictions based on the special theory of relativity.
In short, these ASAM periods can more or less weaken or strengthen the time dilation pattern caused by the north south vector.

Off course, scientists will be confused when discovering these facts.
They will (first at all) suspect and believe that gravitational anomalies on earth are to blame.
However, it will only a question of time, before we are forced to realize that the first crack in the theory of relativity is a matter of facts.

This test of yours does not make any sense. But then again, very few of your postings actually make sense so there is no point in changing things now.

In this case, the Galileo satellites make one orbit about every 14 hours, so you will have to get quite precise with several details if you actually want to define your test program.

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I think that relativity is tested based on Galileo 5 and 6 now.
The orbit inclination of these satellites are about 45° relative to ecliptic.

PREDICTION
Two opposite effects of time dilation will cancel each other out during haft of the orbit periods, when these satellites moves north relative to ecliptic.
Which mean no slower SR- time dilation (during that path of the orbit) as expected due to SR influence.

OK, so here your "PREDICTION" is "opposite effects" that "will cancel each other out". So the result is no apparent effect at all. How do you distinguish between your "opposite effects of time dilation" that "will cancel each other out" (no apparent effect and your "opposite effects" "PREDICTION" being right) and just no effect at all (no apparent effect and your "opposite effects" "PREDICTION" being wrong)?

Originally Posted by Bjarne

Only when moving south relative to Ecliptic, the time dilation should theoretical be as expected according to the prevailing theory.
However there is most likely a similar ASAM effect, - these contribution are seasonal, and also causing time dilation anomalies affecting the on board atomic clocks.
These seasonal periods contributes to disprove predictions based on the special theory of relativity.
In short, these ASAM periods can more or less weaken or strengthen the time dilation pattern caused by the north south vector.

Great, so you "more or less" still just don't know what "these ASAM periods" will do. Well, other than having no effect as above.

Originally Posted by Bjarne

Off course, scientists will be confused when discovering these facts.
They will (first at all) suspect and believe that gravitational anomalies on earth are to blame.
However, it will only a question of time, before we are forced to realize that the first crack in the theory of relativity is a matter of facts.

What facts? The only facts you presented above is that after all this time you still just can't make any quantitative predictions about "these ASAM periods". Again, other than just no effect. This confuses no one but perhaps you and it shouldn't even confuse you.

OK, you predict there will be no effect at all, due to some mysterious forces cancelling each other out. What is your calculation of the effect predicted by relativity?

Location calculations based on GPS satellites are already depending on time deviations. These satellites have many different orbits. Why do we not see no time deviations for those satellites that have orbits that move north relative to the ecliptic?

Is a small non-stop deviation from relativity going to be a win or a lose for your hypothesis?

The really fun part is that there is no dark flow acceleration. There IS, perhaps, a dark flow, but it does not manifast as an acceleration, at least not in our region of the universe.

Where it might manifest as an acceleration, it will be a free fall acceleration, and thus will not influence local motion.

Also, Bjarne talks a lot about inclined orbits, but the possibly observed dark flow is in the direction of Centaurus/Vela, which are about 45 degrees from the ekliptika, so a putative DFA would affect orbits with low inclination as well.

In other words, Bjarne is waiting for a non-observed phenomenon to show its largely non-observable effect, and he is looking in the wrong place, in order to vindicate his claims. .... Of course, this has the advantage that his thesis will never be disproven: It is just like an invisible unicorn.

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The really fun part is that there is no dark flow acceleration. There IS, perhaps, a dark flow, but it does not manifast as an acceleration, at least not in our region of the universe.

Where it might manifest as an acceleration, it will be a free fall acceleration, and thus will not influence local motion.

Also, Bjarne talks a lot about inclined orbits, but the possibly observed dark flow is in the direction of Centaurus/Vela, which are about 45 degrees from the ekliptika, so a putative DFA would affect orbits with low inclination as well.

In other words, Bjarne is waiting for a non-observed phenomenon to show its largely non-observable effect, and he is looking in the wrong place, in order to vindicate his claims. .... Of course, this has the advantage that his thesis will never be disproven: It is just like an invisible unicorn.

Hans

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Naw. It's just religion. He's expanded from geo-centric to solar system centric, but OUR system is God's special creation. All the laws of physics are based on the orientation of our solar system.
What else would make our system's ecliptic the baseline for dark flow? "Goddidit!"

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OK, so here your "PREDICTION" is "opposite effects" that "will cancel each other out". So the result is no apparent effect at all. How do you distinguish between your "opposite effects of time dilation" that "will cancel each other out" (no apparent effect and your "opposite effects" "PREDICTION" being right) and just no effect at all (no apparent effect and your "opposite effects" "PREDICTION" being wrong)?.

It all depend on true speed seen from an absolute perspective.
For example the vertical absolute speed vector can cause negative (slower) time dilation, and ASAM positive.. There are plenty combination possible. SR will failed when tested properly, - The GR influence will be as expected.

OK, you predict there will be no effect at all, due to some mysterious forces cancelling each other out. What is your calculation of the effect predicted by relativity?

Location calculations based on GPS satellites are already depending on time deviations. These satellites have many different orbits. Why do we not see no time deviations for those satellites that have orbits that move north relative to the ecliptic?

Is a small non-stop deviation from relativity going to be a win or a lose for your hypothesis?

You will see it all in the Galileo 5&6 data. Some periods the SR influence is almost as expected according to prevailing religion. Some period there are no SR effect. Some period the effect is opposite of what SR predict. - The inclination of the ISS is closer to be fully aligned with DFA, therefore periods here will be more significant. - But still ASAM also play a role in both cases..

You will even have a very very weak daily dilation anomaly due to the rotation of Earth. Whether that is strong enough to be detected now, is not certain. Letīs see

Answer the question, Bjarne. How will anyone know whether your prediction is right or wrong if your prediction is that there will be no net effect at all?

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Also, Bjarne talks a lot about inclined orbits, but the possibly observed dark flow is in the direction of Centaurus/Vela, which are about 45 degrees from the ekliptika, so a putative DFA would affect orbits with low inclination as well.

Rubbish you have not more as 15° , the main reason is ASAM, - easy to understand based on Newtons 2nd law. - The resulting force.......
Just forget it Hans, its all above your head.

Rubbish you have not more as 15° , the main reason is ASAM, - easy to understand based on Newtons 2nd law. - The resulting force.......
Just forget it Hans, its all above your head.

Bjarne, what is ASAM? You can only use acronyms if they are generally accepted. Nobody will try to remember your private acronyms.

Bjarne, IF there is a force acting on ... everything ... the entire solar system, accelerating it, it implies an astronomic amount of energy being transferred. Where does that energy come from, and how is it transferred?

You know, things have to hang together. Try to make sense, just for a change.

Hans

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Bjarne: Persists with ignorant fantasies about 2 of many Galileo satellite

Originally Posted by Bjarne

You will see it all in the Galileo 5&6 data

14 February 2018 Bjarne: Persists with ignorant fantasies about 2 of many Galileo satellites.
He knows that Galileo 5&6 are producing data now . They have been in testing mode sending data to us for a couple of years now. If he wants operational data to also totally ignore then he is probably out of luck since the testing phase should be over by now (it is for other Galileo satellites).

14 February 2018 Bjarne: "Allais Effect" lies and insults.
It is a lie that the Allais Effect is experimentally proven - it is still an alleged effect.
It is a lie that he has a mathematical proof of the effect. He has a PDF with cartoons about his fantasies, pure fantasies, etc.

What "absolute perspective"? You have yet to actually define such a "perspective".

How do you distinguish between an "absolute perspective" you just can't define and one that does not exist (even just theoretically)?

Originally Posted by Bjarne

For example the vertical absolute speed vector can cause negative (slower) time dilation, and ASAM positive.. There are plenty combination possible. SR will failed when tested properly, - The GR influence will be as expected.

So once again your prediction is just, well, anything as those "plenty combination possible" which is no prediction.

For your own edification when SR is "tested properly" it involves only inertial frames. So I'll ask you again please show your stretched space math describing how two observers in relative inertial motion each measures the others length as contracted.

Also for your own edification general relativity is the more general application of relativity which includes both inertial and non-inertial frames. By asserting "The GR influence will be as expected" you are asserting your 'modified relativity' actually makes no modification to, well, what "will be as expected" form relativity in general.

There will be periods without the expected SR effect
Time dilation test will reveal that

"the expected SR effect" is part of that "GR influence" you say "will be as expected". You seem to fail to understand that as the general case general relativity must include all special cases like only considering inertial frames which is the special case of special relativity.

You will see it all in the Galileo 5&6 data. Some periods the SR influence is almost as expected according to prevailing religion. Some period there are no SR effect. Some period the effect is opposite of what SR predict. - The inclination of the ISS is closer to be fully aligned with DFA, therefore periods here will be more significant. - But still ASAM also play a role in both cases..

You will even have a very very weak daily dilation anomaly due to the rotation of Earth. Whether that is strong enough to be detected now, is not certain. Letīs see

You did not answer the question about GPS's: Are their accuracy dependent on their orbits?

What "absolute perspective"? You have yet to actually define such a "perspective".

How do you distinguish between an "absolute perspective" you just can't define and one that does not exist (even just theoretically)?
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Relativity is only about tension of space
Tension of space is caused by the total amount of energy, locally as well as universal.
Tension of space is the common determination for proportional transformation / deformation of time and the ruler (matter).. (everything you see)
The tension of space, - can be cause by gravity or true speed.
Realty transformation is a process where space it self is involved.
That you or a ant not have the full overview is not my problem.

Bjarne, what is ASAM? You can only use acronyms if they are generally accepted. Nobody will try to remember your private acronyms.

Bjarne, IF there is a force acting on ... everything ... the entire solar system, accelerating it, it implies an astronomic amount of energy being transferred. Where does that energy come from, and how is it transferred?

You know, things have to hang together. Try to make sense, just for a change.

Hans

DFA and Relativistic Resistance against motion (RR) counteract each other so soon a certain Dark Flow speed is achieved.
This is the reason why the Dark Flow speed not goes mad, and only can reach about 600 km/s

The DFA Axis
RR and DFA are therefore sometimes equal powerful forces, however most of the time DFA is the dominating factor. So here we have two forces, an accelerating force and a braking / decelerating force. Both significant.
Dark Flow and hence DFA (Dark Flow Acceleration) is most likely caused by gravity of our own universe, and therefore aiming towards the center.
Relativity is only about tension in space. – That tension is in constant changing on the universal level, - caused by endless circles of Bigbang and BigCrunch creating and dissolving matter.
The universe is ruled by the same law of nature responsible for supernovas that continues to explode... https://www.popularmechanics.com/spa...letely-changes
A race between increasing and decreasing elastic tension is always taken place.
It takes billions of year to reach all corners of the universe, because the universe is so big, and ‘c’ relative to the size is hence a slow speed.
You asked about where the energy comes from, - the answer is dissolving and recreation of matter does not take place in the same moment. - It is two parallel processes. The energy is always there. And tension of space is part of it as well.
Rather as where the energy comes from to a BigBang in the prevailing religion.

ASAM
Due to local gravity from stars, galaxies, clusters, super clusters, and unknown, (such as the great attractor ), - local forces causes object to orbit, and therefore sometimes to moves ‘side-wards’ or opposite relative to DFA.
If an objects moves opposite DFA, - RR is decreasing and Effective DFA will dominate, hence forcing the object to continue to follow DFA.
However if matter moves side-wards, that too can be addition true absolute speed, if so this will trigger addition RR, and therefore we have a new term that can be termed Addition Absolute Sideward Motion (ASAM) which simply means that we have an increasing relativistic transformation effect due to ASAM as well.
Notice ASAM is most of the time dominated by RR (a braking force) – and hence different from the force on the north / south axis that most of the time is dominated by DFA, ( a accelerating force).

True speed of an object, is responsible for the magnitude of RR.
Additional RR is also true by ASAM, - and therefore the inclination of for example the orbit of Mercury’s cannot align with the the inclination as the other inner planets of our solar system.

There are sometimes several forces responsible for ASAM, - these forces as well as the dominating RR - are responsible for why the inclination of all the planets of our solar system are so different (Newton’s 2nd law) , also why the inclination of Mercurys orbits is tilted more than the other inner planets. The orbit speed of the outer planets is much slower, this is why they respond must slower to DFA and RR too.

In short
RR is a force that depend on true speed, and therefore is orbit speed also indirectly a 2nd law factor.

DFA and Relativistic Resistance against motion (RR) counteract each other so soon a certain Dark Flow speed is achieved.
This is the reason why the Dark Flow speed not goes mad, and only can reach about 600 km/s

The DFA Axis
RR and DFA are therefore sometimes equal powerful forces, however most of the time DFA is the dominating factor. So here we have two forces, an accelerating force and a braking / decelerating force. Both significant.
Dark Flow and hence DFA (Dark Flow Acceleration) is most likely caused by gravity of our own universe, and therefore aiming towards the center.
Relativity is only about tension in space. – That tension is in constant change on the universal level, - caused by endless circles of Bigbang and BigCrunch creating and dissolving matter.
The universe is ruled by the same law of nature responsible for supernovas that continues to explode... https://www.popularmechanics.com/spa...letely-changes
A race between increasing and decreasing elastic tension is always taken place.
It takes billions of you to reach all corners of the universe, because the universe is so big, and ‘c’ relative to the size is hence a slow speed.

ASAM
Due to local gravity from stars, galaxies, clusters, super clusters, and unknown, (such as the great attractor ), - local forces causes object to orbit, and therefore sometimes to moves ‘side-wards’ or opposite relative to DFA.
If an objects moves opposite DFA, - RR is decreasing and Effective DFA will dominate, hence forcing the object to continue to follow DFA.
However if matter moves side-wards, that too can be addition true absolute speed, if so this will trigger addition RR, and therefore we have a new term that can be termed Addition Absolute Sideward Motion (ASAM) which simply means that we have an increasing relativistic transformation effect due to ASAM as well.
Notice ASAM is most of the time dominated by RR (a braking force) – and hence different from the force on the north / south axis that most of the time is dominated by DFA, ( a accelerating force).

True speed of an object, is responsible for the magnitude of RR.
Additional RR is most of the time also applying by ASAM, - and therefore the inclination of for example the orbit of Mercury’s cannot align with the the same inclination as the other inner planets of our solar system.

There are sometimes several forced responsible for ASAM, - these forces as well as the dominating RR is responsible for why the inclination of all the planets of our solar system are so different (Newton’s 2nd law) , also why the inclination of Mercuries orbits is tilted more than the other inner planets.

In short
RR is a force, and therefore is orbit speed also a 2nd law factor.

This is cargo cult science. You write a lot of science-sounding words. But it is all free fantasy.

Resistance against motion (relativistic or otherwise) has not been observed. It is just something you claim.

Dark flow acceleration has not been observed. It is just something you claim.

So "ASAM" is the inteaction between two imagined forces, neither of which has ever been observed.

And you haven't answered my question: Where does the energy come from?

I'm sorry, Bjarne, I know you try, but ... I'm afraid your emperor has no clothes.

Hans

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....... true absolute speed........True speed.........RR is a force that depend on true speed........

WTF is "true speed", and how is it different from "true absolute speed"? How meaningful is the word speed in these contexts?

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Answer the question, Bjarne. How will anyone know whether your prediction is right or wrong if your prediction is that there will be no net effect at all?

They won't. This "debate" is a bit like the pro-life movement in the USA. Abortion will never actually be eliminated because if they were, politicians would lose it as a "guaranteed victory" card for that voting block. For the same reason, Bjarne will never offer a real, concrete, testable criteria for his physics themed mythology. If he did, it could be tested against real data. He would then risk losing it as a talking point for what I suspect is a covert Young Earth Creationism agenda.

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Is it just me, or is the disintegration of Relativity being late deliciously amusing?

While I was driving home from work yesterday I started to wonder whether Bjarne might be right. Then I realized that I wasn't moving anywhere close to the speed of light. But I think I'm going to need a new clutch.

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It all depend on true speed seen from an absolute perspective.
For example the vertical absolute speed vector can cause negative (slower) time dilation, and ASAM positive.. There are plenty combination possible. SR will failed when tested properly, - The GR influence will be as expected.

For starters, you can figure out this "absolute perspective" thing for us.

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For starters, you can figure out this "absolute perspective" thing for us.

I'm pretty sure he means it to be either the starting point where a Flat Earth rested before it started accelerating to create the illusion of gravity, or is a reference to god being the cornerstone of all physics.

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I'm pretty sure he means it to be either the starting point where a Flat Earth rested before it started accelerating to create the illusion of gravity, or is a reference to god being the cornerstone of all physics.

Thanks much.

I also expect that it is some of weird crap like that.

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It is not my problem but your problem that GPS satellites work, because they shouldn't according to your hypothesis.

Do you think that GPS is not based on science?

If memory serves, he thinks they're constantly being manually adjusted. There was a whole tangent where people tried to explain how this simply would not provide the precision needed for GPS to work, but he stuck to his guns. I can't remember how explicit he was about it, but the general idea was that the people making the GPS corrections he thought were necessary were either too stupid or brainwashed to realize the adjustments they were making disproved relativity.

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