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Australia long range radar is based in the centre of Australia and is over the horizon radar. Its true capability is not know. And by its nature is a statistical based system. That is although it is reported to be able to detect aircraft and ships 5000km away. It may only see them for part of the time, for say 5mins in every hour or when the atmospheric conditions are right. For ship and boats, this is not a problem as they do not move fast. The radar is also directed north, and although there are interesting side lobes and back lobes, ie South west towards Atlantis or the alleged positon of flight 370. The aircraft suggested path is on the edge of the Australian radar. Whether Australia radar saw it, a phantom or post mathematical treatement of the radar data indicated possible contact, you guess is a good as mine or indeed the Australian Radar People.

Since in the recent past boats have turned up at Christmas Island (3500km) unannouced, it is fair to say that increased radar detection is being sought.by the Australians.

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..........I wasn't going to comment on this topic because of the tragedy involved, but once they said that they broadened their search off Australia I immediately thought of Trevor and his voyage there, funny I wondered at the time how many others had the same flash. I honestly think this is a wake-up call for GPS to be installed on all planes, if this plane fell into the roaring '40s it may never be found.

the first item would allow locating the plane to hours and some days rather than months\years

the question is this the titanic to warrant the changes?

that last air france crash in the atlantic took 2yrs to find the plane

..........I wasn't going to comment on this topic because of the tragedy involved, but once they said that they broadened their search off Australia I immediately thought of Trevor and his voyage there, funny I wondered at the time how many others had the same flash. I honestly think this is a wake-up call for GPS to be installed on all planes, if this plane fell into the roaring '40s it may never be found.

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..........I wasn't going to comment on this topic because of the tragedy involved, but once they said that they broadened their search off Australia I immediately thought of Trevor and his voyage there, funny I wondered at the time how many others had the same flash. I honestly think this is a wake-up call for GPS to be installed on all planes, if this plane fell into the roaring '40s it may never be found.

GPS is already fitted on 80% of aircraft and the going rate to have that data record by Imarstat (Internationa maritime Statalite comunications ) is 10 to 20 dollars a flight.

* Satellite Internet - download current status to Airline Cloud computers The capability is there for the majority of flights, it is a matter of actually agreeing (politically and otherwise)

* Buoy the black box for ping transmission Not feasible, the two black boxes are built like brick shithouses, and weight a ton, and situated in the tail of the aircraft for maximum protection, the boxes will sink with no acess to any attached buoy.

* black box storage upgrade to 20hrs recording This is already happening, as in all things in the aircraft industry it is being done with new unit having longer time but existing devices are not upgraded until repair or replacement.

* black box battery for 12 months I may be wrong but this is not currently mandated, however the the newer units do actually have a longer battery life than specified. However, nobody actual knows what it is. The only way is to run tests which take time and are only indicative. As they are not mandated nobody in their right mind is willing to quote.

The idea was to use the cover to get pass india and pakistan radar in order to get into Iran

They had enough fuel to reach Iran Baja International Airport

2 - Another thinks of a better conspiracy. MH370 headed towards Maldrives (low flying plane sited) and then go south to diego garcia.

They think that Jacob Rothschild (billionaire) is behind the conspiracy to steal plans to the new chip designs that was going to beijing to get registered in china. The idea was to divert the plane to diego garcia unload the 20 passengers question them and steal the designs of the new chip

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A Simple Computer Upgrade: Washington Post: "A simple computer upgrade that Malaysia Airlines decided not to purchase would have provided critical information to help find the airliner that disappeared 11 days ago. The upgrade ... would have provided investigators with the direction, speed and altitude of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 even after other communications from the plane went dark, said a satellite industry official familiar with the equipment. Data from a similar computer upgrade allowed investigators in the 2009 crash of an Air France jet liner to quickly narrow their search area ... and in five days they found floating evidence of the crash. ... The new information indicates that had the upgrade for a system called Swift been installed [on Flight 370], it would have continued to send flight data by satellite even after the plane’s transponder and Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS) communications went dead."

The Cost: WaPo, again: "Many major airlines use the full package of Swift options. The detail it provides is mandated under international aviation guidelines for airlines that ply the busy North Atlantic corridor between the United States and Europe. There are no such requirements elsewhere in the world, the industry official said. ... The application wholesales for about $10 per flight, but airlines pay a higher retail fee. Some airlines have decided they do not want to pay the higher cost for an information stream that they deem unnecessary except under the most extreme circumstances. Zainul Zawawi, area vice president for North American operations at Malaysia Airlines, said he was not authorized to speak about the missing flight and referred questions to airline officials in Malaysia. Efforts to reach those officials were not successful."

Had the Swift system been upgraded to include the full package of applications, it could have sent information on engine performance, fuel consumption, speed, altitude and direction, regardless of whether the transponder and ACARS were working, he said.

“When ACARS is turned off, Swift continues on,” he said. “If you configure Swift to track engine data, that data will be streamed off the plane. It continues to be powered up while the aircraft is powered up.”

Many major airlines use the full package of Swift options. The detail it provides is mandated under international aviation guidelines for airlines that ply the busy North Atlantic corridor between the United States and Europe. There are no such requirements elsewhere in the world, the industry official said.

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mmm more clues of what happen or more clues that malaysia drop the ball

Malaysia Flight 370: Pilot Made Distress Call & Was Abruptly Cut Off

The pilot of Malaysia Airlines flight 370 reportedly made a phone call that ‘was abruptly cut off’ before the plane mysteriously vanished. Could this new development be the proof needed to confirm the plane’s possible hijacking?

Investigators have learned that a possible life or death phone call was attempted by Fariq Abdul Hamid’s cell just as the Boeing 777 flew near the island of Penang, on the northern side of Malaysia’s western most coast, on March 8.

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That zig zag flight plan\waypoint point was crap because the plane would have to fly at 478knots to cover all that distance

The path that news shows seems to be more plausible

One of zag to zigs went over thailands airspace ... so whoever suggested this path was wrong or proving that thailand is weak during this emergency or be part of the crime

It make sense that the plane would fly a parallel path w indonesia .... it left open a lot of possibilities and that penang phone call

just confirms the news flight path than the zig zag

Since it will be a long time before we know what was said on the phone ... conspiracy will continue to be fueled n won't be dismissed until the truth comes out

It would be funny if the blackboxes we been following isn't mh370 there was 120nm of off radar time to switch planes as well as hundreds of miles of other off radar time

Indonesia, Cocos, Christmas island, and Australia would be possible landing sites to offload any assets prior to the crash as long as imasat sat is satisfied thats if they didn't have a plane to fool the world with

if they could clone mh370 then the real plane and the passengers could be anywhere in the world ... having two storms in the crash site curned all the evidence away

Would it be funny if there was only blackboxes down there and no plane ... perhaps this would change the airline industry ... the great caper fooled everyone

Is malaysia paying for the entire search n locate bill .... I presume its the insurance thats paying for it??

Malaysia has to pay something for all messing up they been doing during an emergency

I'm surprise there wasn't a lead investigator that could have streamline this entire operation

its been a waste of brute force trying to find wreckage when there is more sophisticated search equipment like those ping buoys

I wonder how many australia has in stock? if they had 100 then 50 could have been used in the irmasat sat track to get ping detections

it could have saved days or weeks of time and then use the rest to get a definitive search area and wreckage search

gosh to search by ship just for wreckage when you don't know where they flew off to? its a waste of money

lol, I guess all thats been said or not will be followed up in the next airline industry conference and then a push for all planes to be sending out their information in to cloud database but i hear ... it take another five years before anythings implemented n that means something like mh370 could happen again

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you just have to make request of nearby countries or malaysia themselves to send out a vessel to check it out

no where does it ask to send an australian asset thousands of miles away thus there is no time loss checking out leads

as long as third world countries have little regard to travel n passenger safety there is room for error and perhaps pirating of a plane

in 14 years the third world has not learn the lessons of 911 ... this is now a wake up call

ie: mh370, korean ferry, indonesia hijacking

gosh per malaysia preliminary report they were like the keystone cops, the bad guy got away

Missing flight MH370 live: Updates as it is revealed it took four hours to realise plane was missing

The report reveals a gap of four hours between the first sign that the Malaysia Airlines jet had failed to report in when expected to and the decision to mount a search operation

if we think koreans are safe w transporting cargo how is 5400# of lithium safe?

there is also an unexplained 5.59tons of cargo when you do the math

MH370 Tragedy: No plane wreckage in Bay of Bengal

It was reported that an Australian exploration firm, GeoResonance had claimed to have found the wreckage of MH370 in the Bay of Bengal, about 5,000km from the current search area.

Touching on the new lead, Hishammuddin said he at first was looking at the possibility of getting an appropriate vessel to search the area to confirm that lead.

"But, I just want to stress that by doing that, we are distracting ourselves from the main search.

"If we went there and the result from the search was negative, who is going to be responsible for that loss of time? Having more vessels out there (Bay of Bengal) will affect the search in the (current) area," he added.

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I was betting on fake black boxes .... so the Chinese led us on a dolphin hunt lol w that hydrophone

gosh this gives new meaning to experts!!! HA!!! HA!!!

meanwhile the pings have gone dead somewhere else

gosh it would have been better if they had lay down 50 ping listeners along imarsat path then they could have found out more in the short time they had to find black boxes

I wonder if mh370 was an elaborate insurance scam? like does mh370 really exist ... I hope they actually present proof of purchase etc etc and I hope someone checked that out

Fresh doubts: Australian naval Commander James Lybrand said while both readings are significantly lower than the 37.5kHz frequency black box beacons are designed to emit, the April 5 signals are still possible, down perhaps to weakening batteries or the 'vagaries of deep-sea conditions'

Cmdr Lybrand did not give any clues as to what may have emitted the April 8 'pings' if they did not indeed come from MH370.

Dolphins can produce echolocation signals of anywhere between 0.2kHz and 150kHz to obtain sonic information about their environment.

Experts say dolphins' lower frequency vocalizations (between about 0.2 and 50kHz) are likely used in social communication while higher frequency clicks (40 to 150 kHz) are primarily used for spacial awareness.

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so the US Navy rules out the pings n the ppl who listen to quakes n nuclear bombs want to have a crack at finding the place since they have listeners in the ocean that was setup via the UN.

No one wants to say what generated the pings ... its crazy to blame the ships itself.

one wonders if they heard flipper matting??

now the conspiracy ppl going to continue to put our their version of what happen n who's suppressing the information

more books and more movie budget pitching (the race to the summer or fall movies dead line)

none of these media companies are not saying they would donate their profits to finding mh370

one wonders if the families will sue the publishers and the film makes

(CNN) -- The four acoustic pings at the center of the search for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 for the past seven weeks are no longer believed to have come from the plane's black boxes, a U.S. Navy official told CNN.The acknowledgment came Wednesday as searchers wrapped up the first phase of their effort, having scanned 329 square miles of southern Indian Ocean floor without finding any wreckage from the Boeing 777-200.

Washington (CNN) -- Was the sound of Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370 striking the water captured by ocean devices used to listen for signs of nuclear blasts?It's a long shot, but an Australian university is studying records from underwater listening devices in an effort to help find the missing plane."One signal has been detected on several receivers that could be related to the crash," said Alec Duncan of Curtin University's Centre for Marine Science and Technology (CMST).Researchers are studying a very low frequency sound to see if it was "the impact of the aircraft on the water or the implosion of parts of the aircraft as it sank," Duncan said.