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Re: Insider: "Pacers-Mavs Deal: Who won?" (need posted plz)

OK, OK, don't do it like the mavs. Do it like this. Be as good as you can for as long as you can. Tinker each year and we might come up with just the right mixture. But being as good as you can be every year is huge, if the Pacers are good every year 50-58 wins it is much easier to acquire a player who just might push us over-the-top

My approach is the same. If the Mavs part is tripping you up, OK don't do it like the mavs.

OK so now I want to hear your master plan in how to get a guy like Dirk

Re: Insider: "Pacers-Mavs Deal: Who won?" (need posted plz)

OK so now I want to hear your master plan in how to get a guy like Dirk

I picture something like Rocky, but instead of Philly its Germany, and instead of Rocky's old guy trainer, its Dirk's old guy trainer, working in a meat processing facility, shooting basketballs into cows.

Re: Insider: "Pacers-Mavs Deal: Who won?" (need posted plz)

OK so now I want to hear your master plan in how to get a guy like Dirk

did I ever say get a player like Dirk. if we keep our nucleus together we can be a 50 plus win team every year we need to do that and tinker each year - that is all i am saying. Take the mavs out of the discussion.

Re: Insider: "Pacers-Mavs Deal: Who won?" (need posted plz)

did I ever say get a player like Dirk. if we keep our nucleus together we can be a 50 plus win team every year we need to do that and tinker each year - that is all i am saying. Take the mavs out of the discussion.

OK, I am getting a headache

I'm just messing with you, either way to your point I think I disagree, we don't have a finisher or alpha dog, some teams do well with tinkering because they already have a great player on their team, the Pacers don't have that, at the end of the day we are going to need somebody that could take it to Lebron, Dwade, Durant, Westbrook, Kobe, Pierce, KG, etc.

Re: Insider: "Pacers-Mavs Deal: Who won?" (need posted plz)

Seems Dallas and Indy have done a lot of trading over the years. I know some trades in the past that seemed like were way in our favor, then we turn around and do one that seems to be in their favor. What is it about the Mavs and Pacers always doing trades?

*removed* Just keep politics and religion completely out of it, please.

Re: Insider: "Pacers-Mavs Deal: Who won?" (need posted plz)

i'm trying my best not to think about this trade because the more i think/read the more pissed i become.

or think of it as adding size. Pacers have good size at the starting PG, SG, SF and C positions. last year, they were undersized everywhere else. These trades add size at the backup C and backup SF. They have some chance to defend the rim when Roy has to sit down.

Re: Insider: "Pacers-Mavs Deal: Who won?" (need posted plz)

I'm mixed on our moves this off-season. If you look at it from the perspective of upgrading our bench, you might say that was achieved, although we need to see it actually happen.

If you look at value per transaction, however..... been poor. The only reason their heads are above water barely was bringing in Augustin, but before that they took a big dive. I still think they botched the Plumlee acquisition. We could have received another asset and moved back and still got him, I firmly believe that. He wasn't 1st-round material. I don't see the guy playing much at all this year.

Collison was given away. I don't get that. Jones?

Ultimately, all this stepping backwards two steps to take two steps forward puts us generally where we were before... as much as some on here want to say we've "drastically improved our bench". We haven't. We upgraded it marginally with some guys who've generally under-achieved in their careers.

The big key is our starting unit. That's where we needed the help to get over the hump in the playoffs. Having a deep bench means very little in the playoffs when you condense those rotations, you lean way more on your starters, and our starters couldn't cut it against essentially two guys (LJB and Wade). It was our starting unit that needed beefed. They are a fantastic regular-season starting unit, they will win you a lot of regular season games... but in the playoffs when the stars shine and the rotations shrink, defenses ramp up and you need guys who can get shots.... you lean more and more on your best guys, and our best guys don't match up against "their" best guys.

So all this beefing up of our bench is... what. We'll win a buncha regular season games and then get ousted again by the Miami's of the world.

As always I'll sit and wait and see hwo it plays it.... but for the first time in awhile I'm actually sorta confused by the moves this off-season. I don't feel like we maximized our assets and upgraded the roster the way we *could* have.

Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 07-13-2012 at 12:46 PM.

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Re: Insider: "Pacers-Mavs Deal: Who won?" (need posted plz)

We can't sign any more free agents & this officially puts us out of the Brand hunt? Or am I wrong there?

We can sign minimum salary guys. I'm not as sure on the exceptions with this new CBA as I was the last. We might have some small exception, but that may not be true because we just went over the cap. But next year I think we'll have a 5m MLE.

Re: Insider: "Pacers-Mavs Deal: Who won?" (need posted plz)

Dampier and Detlef Schrempf were both involved in Pacers/Mavs deals. Didn't we also get Darrell Armstrong from the Mavs, or trade him to them...can't remember that one. Herb Williams was traded to the Mavs also off the top of my head (I think).

*removed* Just keep politics and religion completely out of it, please.

Re: Insider: "Pacers-Mavs Deal: Who won?" (need posted plz)

We can sign minimum salary guys. I'm not as sure on the exceptions with this new CBA as I was the last. We might have some small exception, but that may not be true because we just went over the cap. But next year I think we'll have a 5m MLE.

Re: Insider: "Pacers-Mavs Deal: Who won?" (need posted plz)

. . . At no point in time during the playoffs did I ever think to myself, man if only we had a better backup center we could take these guys. . .

boy I did. Every time Roy sat down. Pacer had no way to protect the front of the rim. Plus DWest had to spend all that time trying to play C instead of PF. I don't know if the new guys are the answer to the bench, but the old guys, except for DC, weren't.

Re: Insider: "Pacers-Mavs Deal: Who won?" (need posted plz)

From what Pritchard said on Twitter and thanking DC and Dahntay for their service here, I believe this to be the case. Why not move DC to a place where he can start and earn his next contract? He probably wasn't going to get that opportunity here next year.

This kind of approach has to make Indiana look better to potential FA's down the road.
This was a good trade for both teams. Both will be better as a result. Why is that such a bad thing? Then Hollinger would not have anything to write about.