Err, actually alaskthingumyjiggy, that is what Westcliffe was meant to be when it was built with taxpayers money. The buildings have never been the problem. Government does not provide love, individuals do. Unfortunately, the more government does for some, the less they do for themselves, and the idea that some exogenous force is going to "create activities" and "places without prejustice" (sic) is in the final analysis meaningless twaddle. Individuals create such things and circumstances, not government. It is my sad duty to tell you that once again your posts have fallen well short of the required standard vis a vis content and tone. In short sir, you just don't get it, and you illustrate once again that the definition of a socialist is someone who never learns.

Jeff49 I know where you could find 2 volunteer drivers . I agree they should Bulldoze the place and give the much maligned residents of Westcliff a nicer place to live . A place without prejustice , a place with love , a place where their children our future can play safely .Oh but hang on MLR and Orrey ar involved so really the best we can expect is for them to bring a load of cowboys from out of town and throw something up totally cheap and nasty .Wheres the properties that were knocked down on Lloyds Ave ?

Harry You quote my perceptions of you and FG view of the unemployed as my words ,not really true is it just you making it look that way .Will you go on and expand on the PAYG society part which are my words but then again don't bother as i wouldn't respect your view anyway.

HarryWorth I would be the last person on earth to stop you having your say .However i am not so sure you would return the right for me and other Leftards challenge /mock it . Our Differs go back a long way i can remember differing when you were ID as johnny fartypants and i as something equally as silly and knew you would come back to me and there was no need for FG a like mind to fight your corner . So you keep posting and so will i and who knows one day we may agree , unlikely as IDS becoming the face of the HRW or as likely as FG declaring all GPs are the same as Shipman . But i live in hope .

But, I firmly believe that a large number of those on benefits are indeed: "selfish and unworthy of any help and a burden to society..." Your words alaskanstu, and in my opinion true.
Thankfully, we're all allowed differing opinions. Or don't you agree with that?

fredgough I insult your post and Harry's because i don't like what F/G H/W posts stand for Which is always generalising and grouping the unemployed as selfish and unworthy of any help and a burden to society .I insult your posts for relaying the Rightard perceptions in your posts of the unemployed and the disabled . Saying all that i would probably hate the people behind FG/HW just as much as their posts . Your point on where would we be if everyone didn't work like this guy? Where would we be? Would we have money to give to this guy and his causes? No we wouldn't!! WELL the facts are for the time being some do work , many don't , many can't ,many work for low wages backed by benefit and society stiil (just ) works this way . Now i figure HW/FG would vote for a PAYG society but until you get it which i hope never happens tough.