The death rate among soldiers and civilians in Germany increased. No peace treaty was signed between Germany and its former opponents. And according to many Germans, there is still no real peace either, because the country is occupied and lacks a treaty.

It is identified by the United Nations as a “Hostile State;” the propaganda which helped to start the war still goes on against Germany; the conquerors have never been called to account for the atrocities they inflicted on their German prisoners of war, or for the deaths by forced starvation of millions of German civilians. Thuggish fascists still threaten freedom of speech. Thousands of political prisoners have been sentenced to jail in Germany for expressing opinions tolerated among the conquerors.

All that has suddenly started to change because a retired US Army officer, Merrit P. Drucker, read my book entitled Other Losses, which describes in gruesome detail the dying agonies of a million German prisoners of war in American and French camps after World War Two. Drucker, who had been posted to Rheinberg in 1989, investigated the book’s claims in archives in Germany and the USA to ascertain its veracity, and has now written a letter of apology to Max Klaar, Chairman of German Soldiers Association and formerly a lieutenant colonel in the Bundeswehr, apologizing for the fate of German prisoners of war in US Army camps in 1945.

“Starting in April, 1945, the US Army and the French army casually annihilated about one million captives, most of them in American camps,” said Army Senior Historian Col. Ernest F. Fisher (retired) in his foreword to the book.

Fisher was present on October 31 2011 at an emotional ceremony in Washington launching the new American edition of Other Losses. The book has been a world-wide best-seller for 22 years, but according to a Washington bookseller, was “deep-sixed” in the US when a small edition appeared here two decades ago.

Accepting the apology in Washington, Klaar presented a 14-point proposal to end the war both formally and prasctically. According to Klaar, Germans are today a “nation of wounded souls” constantly suffering the war-guilt and shame of a criminal past which the conquerors are constantly re-inflicting on them.

Anyone in Germany who speaks today of the crimes inflicted on Germans themselves after the war, is shouted down by the Anti-Fascist movement, which threatens violence against owners of venues where opponents are scheduled to speak out against political correctness. This fascistic Anti-Fa movement is scarcely known outside Germany but it has attained powerful control over public expression there. Many are silenced, many are arrested and many jailed for speaking out on the subject of allied atrocities which are deemed by Anti-Fa reasoning to diminish German guilt. Political correctness in Germany as in many other countries dictates that only the Germans were the criminals of World War Two; but in Germany itself, to say that they too were victimized courts violence, criminal prosecution and a jail sentence.

Drucker’s apology derives from a sense of the injustice of the US behavior, and a determination “to see this thing right,” by which he means making amends as far as possible for the horrors inflicted on the prisoners themselves and their families. I started research for the book because, by chance, working on a book about the French Resistance, I saw the silhouette of a terrific and half-known story that had to be revealed. Many times I was told by Germans who were in the allied death-camps, “Thank you. No German could have told this story.”

James Bacque contributed the essay “A Truth So Terrible” to the disinformation anthology Abuse Your Illusions.

I was stationed in Frankfurt, seen alot of disturbing things happening to the people there. Suppression of speach, prison for people that even dare question the holocaust. People blamed for atrocities another generation committed. It’s not right to punish generations for something they had no involvement with. But I think I know why you said what you did and that too is a huge problem there. Unfortunate that sentiment will only breed more hatred in the future

Camron Wiltshire

War is hell and should become obsolete if we are ever to survive as a species. It kills the soul of man.

laika

bull. shit.

i do not know enough about american or russian POW-camps (and i am inclined to believe the claims of the author, if not the exact amount of people killed), but i know life in today’s germany and austria.

and i feel thus competent to reassure anyone that the picture painted in the article – a germany full of thuggish antifascists, repressing anyone who dares to not look guilty enough, or somesuch – is utter rubbish. this picture has become a topic in the propaganda of the extreme right-wing parties in germany and austria – that is, a rethorical device aimed at people who oppose the specific politics of specific parties by civilized means.

it should also be noted that the figure of speech of the “repressive political correctness” in germany today is used by peolple who have acces to almost all of the newspapers and tv-stations – where they write big articles and discuss in prime-time discussions the fact that “nobody allows them to speak out” – not realising the irony of it. to them, dissent to their opinion is “PC terrorism”, of which they “feel oppressed”. and make no mistake: this is not mainly about harmless germans who want to talk openly about war-crimes on both sides (thos e exist, but they tend to become the “useful idiots” for open fascists) – this is mainly about racists, who talk about “jewish” or “turkish” “genes”, or about the “decline of the christian west” by way of “muslim immigration”…

real violence, on the other hand, is to be found in the eastern german countryside, where fascist gangs threaten anyone who does not look sufficiently “german”, to such a degree that black or anatolian germans dare not settle in these regions. if you look “punk”, “foreigner” etc., you even think twice before going on a hiking tour in some regions.

Camron Wiltshire

War is hell and should become obsolete if we are ever to survive as a species. It kills the soul of man.

Hadrian999

war is the expression of the soul of man

Andrew

Then man is an evolutionary dead end.

Hadrian999

that depends on what you want man to evolve into, trying to remove conflict from the heart of man is fruitless, we love aggression and conflict, we are at our most creative and productive when we are trying to destroy each other when we aren’t fighting we play games that simulate struggle. the best we can do is shape and focus the aggressive nature of man into a manageable arena and away from unrestricted total war

Monkey See Monkey Do

Sounds like you bought the capitalism theory hook, line and sinker. Ever tryed questioning it? Maybe look deeper into why you feel that way about yourself (if you do) and other people. There is NO human nature. Human behaviour develops and emerges as a result of the environment surrounding them. Its possible for society to shape a generation into a pack of competition-obsessed dominating individuals and its also possible for society to shape the opposite of that. An Instinct for survival shouldn’t be mistaken for greed, selfishness and competitve behaviour.

Hadrian999

you may not like the it but if you look back at nearly great advancement in human civilization you will it was in service of war, we split the atom to make a bomb, we went to the moon to beat the russians, even our non violent cultural movements are linked to war. man is a vicious violent animal

Monkey See Monkey Do

Since the dawn of civilization man has been ruled over by authorities that have served to seperate us from our true selves. Why have they done this? simple, because it makes it easier to control us. in pre-civilization there is ample evidence that humans co-operated on a mass scale, there is much more evidence for egalitarian communities than anything else in that period (pre-literate times). It is also one of the most accepted theories amongst anthropologists which is my field. (That archaic pre-literate man was egalitarian).

so as long as we destroy all culture and go back to living like animals we can be pacifists, good plan

Monkey See Monkey Do

Who said anything about destroying all culture?. I was just illustrating a point about human nature and the misconceptions surrounding it. I don’t think there is a plan, and that’s pretty scary for most people. That is why they ask leaders to plan things for them.

Andrew

You seem to have a rather black and white view of this subject.

Calypso_1

our expression may be finite and its return set limited but its boundaries are not defined by war

laika

bull. shit.

i do not know enough about american or russian POW-camps (and i am inclined to believe the claims of the author, if not the exact amount of people killed), but i know life in today’s germany and austria.

and i feel thus competent to reassure anyone that the picture painted in the article – a germany full of thuggish antifascists, repressing anyone who dares to not look guilty enough, or somesuch – is utter rubbish. this picture has become a topic in the propaganda of the extreme right-wing parties in germany and austria – that is, a rethorical device aimed at people who oppose the specific politics of specific parties by civilized means.

it should also be noted that the figure of speech of the “repressive political correctness” in germany today is used by peolple who have acces to almost all of the newspapers and tv-stations – where they write big articles and discuss in prime-time discussions the fact that “nobody allows them to speak out” – not realising the irony of it. to them, dissent to their opinion is “PC terrorism”, of which they “feel oppressed”. and make no mistake: this is not mainly about harmless germans who want to talk openly about war-crimes on both sides (thos e exist, but they tend to become the “useful idiots” for open fascists) – this is mainly about racists, who talk about “jewish” or “turkish” “genes”, or about the “decline of the christian west” by way of “muslim immigration”…

real violence, on the other hand, is to be found in the eastern german countryside, where fascist gangs threaten anyone who does not look sufficiently “german”, to such a degree that black or anatolian germans dare not settle in these regions. if you look “punk”, “foreigner” etc., you even think twice before going on a hiking tour in some regions.

Philipp from austria

jealous ?

henrychalder

Germany has suffered greatly by the Americans, especially Eisenhower’s orders not to give German POW’s food, water or shelter which resulted in such a great loss of life. This is an atrocity that should rightly be exposed. Its true that Germany is gagged by political correctness or incorrectness by those of the left and so too are other European countries. It should also be noted that Russians are responsible for the murder of American GI’s held in POW camps when they came under their control after WW2 and that most German women in Berlin were raped or shot by Russians

Anonymous

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99prozent

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Joseph James

Freedom of speech cannot be limited to “those who are enlightened” or otherwise “think like ME”. If what they are saying is stupid, hate-filled or otherwise of limited value will be self-revealed to its listeners. The way to fight against such nonsense is to address the claims rationally, to vet the understandable outrage and to carry everyone closer to an agreement of what actually is. When you flat out silence any viewpoint, you are indirectly saying that there is no actual argument against that stated view; Yet you can’t stand that it exists.

It should never be a crime to voice one’s (however incorrect) viewpoint. The crime is when there is not a sufficient argument against those protests.

Joseph James

Freedom of speech cannot be limited to “those who are enlightened” or otherwise “think like ME”. If what they are saying is stupid, hate-filled or otherwise of limited value will be self-revealed to its listeners. The way to fight against such nonsense is to address the claims rationally, to vet the understandable outrage and to carry everyone closer to an agreement of what actually is. When you flat out silence any viewpoint, you are indirectly saying that there is no actual argument against that stated view; Yet you can’t stand that it exists.

It should never be a crime to voice one’s (however incorrect) viewpoint. The crime is when there is not a sufficient argument against those protests.

laika

the problem is, you just can’t fight them rationally. that would imply that the discussion is somehow “academic” or something like that. yet it is about political power. and “freedom of speech” is, to the right-wing party members in austria, one talking point amongst many, which they are happy to mix, in a real discussion, with the sole purpose of obstructing rationality, and bringing some emotional figures out there.

Anonymous

Hmmm… First: it is true that opposition to established opinions about the nazi era is shouted down and anyone who is not 100% toeing the opnion-line gets marked as a potential neo-nazi. On the other hand it is usually the real neo-nazis who start whining about their “democratic rights” and “free expression” when they (again…) spout their bullshit. Here in Austria the right wing parties representatives do this on a regular basis. They quote Hitler, they have SS-slogans on their websites and publications and their facebook-sites are full of vile anti-muslim propaganda. (But hey, thats only their love of freedom speaking. No, no. Nothing racist at all! How can you say that, you leftist-anarchist-fascist?)
The problem is that everybody who is thinking loudly about claims about the nazi-era without mentioning the ominous “6 million jews” and decrying the crimes is lumped together with those pigs. Mentioning the firebombing of Dresden? Nazi. Questioning some of the death-figures? Nazi. Saying Wehrmacht does not equal SS? Nazi. It is tiring sometimes.
It is strange: while the neo-nazis get only a slap on the wrist for REAL racist actions, discussion about the second world war is only possible in very strict boundaries. It is mostly pointless and lets the far-right take over the discussion about our historic definitions because they are the only ones who test those boundaries. For the very wrong reasons…

99prozent

Hmmm… First: it is true that opposition to established opinions about the nazi era is shouted down and anyone who is not 100% toeing the opnion-line gets marked as a potential neo-nazi. On the other hand it is usually the real neo-nazis who start whining about their “democratic rights” and “free expression” when they (again…) spout their bullshit. Here in Austria the right wing parties representatives do this on a regular basis. They quote Hitler, they have SS-slogans on their websites and publications and their facebook-sites are full of vile anti-muslim propaganda. (But hey, thats only their love of freedom speaking. No, no. Nothing racist at all! How can you say that, you leftist-anarchist-fascist?)
The problem is that everybody who is thinking loudly about claims about the nazi-era without mentioning the ominous “6 million jews” and decrying the crimes is lumped together with those pigs. Mentioning the firebombing of Dresden? Nazi. Questioning some of the death-figures? Nazi. Saying Wehrmacht does not equal SS? Nazi. It is tiring sometimes.
It is strange: while the neo-nazis get only a slap on the wrist for REAL racist actions, discussion about the second world war is only possible in very strict boundaries. It is mostly pointless and lets the far-right take over the discussion about our historic definitions because they are the only ones who test those boundaries. For the very wrong reasons…

laika

there is a reason why anybody who talks the way you mention is lumped together with said pigs: the freedom-party-types (and those from alpe-donau-info; and the “aula”-writers…) are the ones who will say all of this the loudest! if i hear “let’s defend the wehrmacht from false accusations”, more often then not it comes from xenophobic bastards (who happen to have a point, sometimes, in this respect). who makes “remebrance”-marches on the anniversary of the bombing of dresden? – the npd (the outspoken nazi-revivalist party in germany). who are the people most publicly obsessed with re-counting the jewish victims of national socialism? – etc….

and personally: granted, i have not been alive then, but: if it took bomber harris burning down dresden in order for the nazis to be defeated, then: thank you, harris! i am grateful not to live in a nazi country.

99prozent

You are right, of course. Maybe i have not been clear enough. When i see the types who go on “rememberence marches” of any type or visit the now infamous “Kameradschaftstreffen” (meetings of veterans) my fists clench involuntarily… They are the ugly, loud minority who fuck it up for all of us.

I would be a vocal supporter of getting rid of laws limiting free speech. But every single day some FPÖ/NPD-type reminds me what that would be like in Austria or Germany respectively. It’s disgusting and a real shame. Particularly in Vienna, where the Freedom Party has more than 20% of the votes…

laika

the problem is, you just can’t fight them rationally. that would imply that the discussion is somehow “academic” or something like that. yet it is about political power. and “freedom of speech” is, to the right-wing party members in austria, one talking point amongst many, which they are happy to mix, in a real discussion, with the sole purpose of obstructing rationality, and bringing some emotional figures out there.

laika

there is a reason why anybody who talks the way you mention is lumped together with said pigs: the freedom-party-types (and those from alpe-donau-info; and the “aula”-writers…) are the ones who will say all of this the loudest! if i hear “let’s defend the wehrmacht from false accusations”, more often then not it comes from xenophobic bastards (who happen to have a point, sometimes, in this respect). who makes “remebrance”-marches on the anniversary of the bombing of dresden? – the npd (the outspoken nazi-revivalist party in germany). who are the people most publicly obsessed with re-counting the jewish victims of national socialism? – etc….

and personally: granted, i have not been alive then, but: if it took bomber harris burning down dresden in order for the nazis to be defeated, then: thank you, harris! i am grateful not to live in a nazi country.

Anonymous

You are right, of course. Maybe i have not been clear enough. When i see the types who go on “rememberence marches” of any type or visit the now infamous “Kameradschaftstreffen” (meetings of veterans) my fists clench involuntarily… They are the ugly, loud minority who fuck it up for all of us.

I would be a vocal supporter of getting rid of laws limiting free speech. But every single day some FPÖ/NPD-type reminds me what that would be like in Austria or Germany respectively. It’s disgusting and a real shame. Particularly in Vienna, where the Freedom Party has more than 20% of the votes…

Anonymous

I was stationed in Frankfurt, seen alot of disturbing things happening to the people there. Suppression of speach, prison for people that even dare question the holocaust. People blamed for atrocities another generation committed. It’s not right to punish generations for something they had no involvement with. But I think I know why you said what you did and that too is a huge problem there. Unfortunate that sentiment will only breed more hatred in the future

Aircow

Atrocities are committed by all sides in a war, that’s all war is. The winners always claim the moral high ground and deny all wrong doing.

Aircow

Atrocities are committed by all sides in a war, that’s all war is. The winners always claim the moral high ground and deny all wrong doing.

Hadrian999

war is the expression of the soul of man

Andrew

Then man is an evolutionary dead end.

Hadrian999

that depends on what you want man to evolve into, trying to remove conflict from the heart of man is fruitless, we love aggression and conflict, we are at our most creative and productive when we are trying to destroy each other when we aren’t fighting we play games that simulate struggle. the best we can do is shape and focus the aggressive nature of man into a manageable arena and away from unrestricted total war

Monkey See Monkey Do

Sounds like you bought the capitalism theory hook, line and sinker. Ever tryed questioning it? Maybe look deeper into why you feel that way about yourself (if you do) and other people. There is NO human nature. Human behaviour develops and emerges as a result of the environment surrounding them. Its possible for society to shape a generation into a pack of competition-obsessed dominating individuals and its also possible for society to shape the opposite of that. An Instinct for survival shouldn’t be mistaken for greed, selfishness and competitve behaviour.

Anonymous

our expression may be finite and its return set limited but its boundaries are not defined by war

Hadrian999

you may not like the it but if you look back at nearly great advancement in human civilization you will it was in service of war, we split the atom to make a bomb, we went to the moon to beat the russians, even our non violent cultural movements are linked to war. man is a vicious violent animal

Monkey See Monkey Do

Since the dawn of civilization man has been ruled over by authorities that have served to seperate us from our true selves. Why have they done this? simple, because it makes it easier to control us. in pre-civilization there is ample evidence that humans co-operated on a mass scale, there is much more evidence for egalitarian communities than anything else in that period (pre-literate times). It is also one of the most accepted theories amongst anthropologists which is my field. (That archaic pre-literate man was egalitarian).

so as long as we destroy all culture and go back to living like animals we can be pacifists, good plan

Monkey See Monkey Do

Who said anything about destroying all culture?. I was just illustrating a point about human nature and the misconceptions surrounding it. I don’t think there is a plan, and that’s pretty scary for most people. That is why they ask leaders to plan things for them.

http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

Wow…until now I’d only been exposed to anti-Germany propaganda and lies that left me unaware of the pro-Germany movement struggling to find a voice and grow to greater strength so they can put away the cruel lies of the past that have hobbled their country and prevented its return to the world as a rightful superpower…

…but now that I’ve read this…I want all Germans killed just on principle. My sympathy cup tends to run dry for fascist dictatorships that drag half the planet into war. Too bad, so sad…count yourself lucky we didn’t treat the conquered as the conquered treated so many…or instead of having the comparative freedom to espouse propaganda (again) and bitch about your lot in life…you’d be to busy working as a slave for your new masters. There would be no ‘Germany’ of any kind…and maybe a few stragglers would have escaped the purge of an entire race.

In short…we’ll be watching you. If that rhetoric ever finds a way into your governments public speeches…I’ll be the first to call for a rousing game of third strike ‘bounce the rubble’ until your childrens bones are fused into the rocks they died next to and the rest of Europe gets a free nightlight from the nuclear glow of your former homeland.

http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

Wow…until now I’d only been exposed to anti-Germany propaganda and lies that left me unaware of the pro-Germany movement struggling to find a voice and grow to greater strength so they can put away the cruel lies of the past that have hobbled their country and prevented its return to the world as a rightful superpower…

…but now that I’ve read this…I want all Germans killed just on principle. My sympathy cup tends to run dry for fascist dictatorships that drag half the planet into war. Too bad, so sad…count yourself lucky we didn’t treat the conquered as the conquerers treated so many…or instead of having the comparative freedom to espouse propaganda (again) and bitch about your lot in life…you’d be to busy working as a slave for your new masters. There would be no ‘Germany’ of any kind…and maybe a few stragglers would have escaped the purge of an entire race.

In short…we’ll be watching you. If that rhetoric ever finds a way into your governments public speeches…I’ll be the first to call for a rousing game of third strike ‘bounce the rubble’ until your childrens bones are fused into the rocks they died next to and the rest of Europe gets a free nightlight from the nuclear glow of your former homeland.

Jollyroger666

“….until your childrens bones are fused into the rocks they died next to …”

Yeeha, another typical us-american simple-mind. you better watch your own greedy nation that draws half the world into war right now and is stealing and killing all over the world. oh, i forgot, that needs to think outside the own box, a thing that doesnt seem to exist in people like you. so keep sitting there, makin inhuman statements, watch tv, eat burgers and be what you are.

http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

I’m not defending the US…I’m usually criticizing it harshly…even more than you…since I live here and demand better…

…but I’ll be damned if I’ll ever tolerate any neo-Nazi revisionist bullshit from anyone. We tolerate too much of it here…and look what its done to us.

And as for macho bs…sorry…I’m guilty as charged…and when it comes to gutless fascists looking for a way to worm their way into public policy…I’m all in favor of killing them…and if no one else has the stomach…I’d be happy to volunteer my services.

Philipp from austria

jealous ?

Andrew

You seem to have a rather black and white view of this subject.

Jollyroger666

“….until your childrens bones are fused into the rocks they died next to …”

Yeeha, another typical us-american simple-mind. you better watch your own greedy nation that draws half the world into war right now and is stealing and killing all over the world. oh, i forgot, that needs to think outside the own box, a thing that doesnt seem to exist in people like you. so keep sitting there, makin inhuman statements, watch tv, eat burgers and be what you are.

http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

I’m not defending the US…I’m usually criticizing it harshly…even more than you…since I live here and demand better…

…but I’ll be damned if I’ll ever tolerate any neo-Nazi revisionist bullshit from anyone. We tolerate too much of it here…and look what its done to us.

henrychalder

Germany has suffered greatly by the Americans, especially Eisenhower’s orders not to give German POW’s food, water or shelter which resulted in such a great loss of life. This is an atrocity that should rightly be exposed. Its true that Germany is gagged by political correctness or incorrectness by those of the left and so too are other European countries. It should also be noted that Russians are responsible for the murder of American GI’s held in POW camps when they came under their control after WW2 and that most German women in Berlin were raped or shot by Russians

Vladimir

“I want all Germans killed just on principle”
isnt that the same as
“I want all Jews killed just on principle”?

http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

Well, to be honest…the comment was meant to be a mix of sarcasm and irony…making it seem that, instead of gaining my support for closet Nazi revisionism…it crystallized my opposition and accomplished the opposite of its intended goal. Which is true…every time I read pseudo Nazi revisionism…not only do I not feel sorry for them…I actually feel fresh hatred for them. So maybe the comment was harsh, but I don’t want to unclear when discouraging these propagandist pieces of crap. I want them to know that they are and always will be watched…and the minute they even think of starting themselves a new Reich…they will be smashed and ground into paste…which is better than they deserve.