lol ok. Your ONE guy vs everyone elses MBP that has been fixed. I already had 100% fans with smcfancontrol and was still able to reproduce the crash prior to the update. Obviously heat wasn't the issue and since none of my clocks or voltages have changed after the update you're going to have to try again.
Apparently you know more than Apple's own devs who posted release notes along with the update that you have failed to read yet continue to keep embarrassing yourself by posting more.

How do you know this for sure? What model do you have (13", 15" or 17")?

Perhaps different models are not affected by the same issues. If it was driver issues, it is Apple's fault. They are in charge of QA and the Mac ecosystem. Perhaps Apple's "BIOS" had issues with the video hardware switching into discrete mode.

The "release notes" do not state what was the offending component(s). We still need more information to determine if it was fixed for the majority of users affected.

Many new Apple users like to sweep problems under the rug like it never existed. New Apple users are the biggest offenders of blind fanboyism because they don't want to second guess "making the switch."Edited by Riou - 3/23/11 at 2:47am

I read in one of the links in the past 16 pages that the problem was found by (Ars?) to be that it was likely a driver related issue, since the crashes were occurring when switching from the integrated card to the dedicated. They said it was likely, not certain, but seeing as most games require you to switch from integrated to dedicated, I suppose it is a logical train of thought. I don't have a early 2011 MBP, I have a late 2010 MBP, and so I can't really give any insight or any proof so to speak, but if you just read all the articles in depth you'll probably find what you're looking for.

I agree, the MBP's should have a better cooling solution, but do a lot of MBP owners game on a laptop? Highly doubt it. Saying that a MBP owner only browses Facebook during lectures and uses Word in cafes is somewhat naive. They are just like any other end consumer. They can and will do what they want with what they buy. If they can afford it, and it fits their needs, then why not buy it?

We here at OCN do numerous things, and most of it involves getting the most performance out of whatever we own. Apple designs laptops for people who don't want to run Windows because *shockhorror*, it's not perfect. Neither is Mac, as seen by the recent debacles, but even so, they have enough for what people want from it. I have a MBP largely due to it's longevity. It feels to have a much more sturdy build then other laptops that I've had the opportunity to lay my hands on, so that's why I chose it over the others.

I sometimes feel as though that we, as PC gamers and PC users in general have excessively high standards. Although sometimes it is right to have these standards, it is not correct all the time.

How do you know this for sure? What model do you have (13", 15" or 17")?

Perhaps different models are not affected by the same issues. If it was driver issues, it is Apple's fault. They are in charge of QA and the Mac ecosystem. Perhaps Apple's "BIOS" had issues with the video hardware switching into discrete mode.

The "release notes" do not state what was the offending component(s). We still need more information to determine if it was fixed for the majority of users affected.

Many new Apple users like to sweep problems under the rug like it never existed. New Apple users are the biggest offenders of blind fanboyism because they don't want to second guess "making the switch."

How do I know? Because I own a 2011 15" with a discreet graphics card... I was able to crash it before the update and now I can't. Along with everyone else on the site linked to in the OP. You should read before posting.

How do I know? Because I own a 2011 15" with a discreet graphics card... I was able to crash it before the update and now I can't. Along with everyone else on the site linked to in the OP. You should read before posting.

The new OS X only fixed Thunderbolt problems with displays. Lying is fun!

My son told me about this. He said it was the i7s that were being recalled because of a heating issue.

recalled? what?

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Originally Posted by FtL1776

The new OS X only fixed Thunderbolt problems with displays. Lying is fun!

Being ignorant is fun!

8 instances of yes > /dev/null/
with Portal using the discreet AMD GPU and this browser open.
No crashes for 20minutes and haven't seen one since the update in anything else.Edited by PoopaScoopa - 3/23/11 at 12:41pm

So... it's just coincidence that the unofficial work around for this until its fixed by Apple is to use the IGP instead of the dedicated AMD GPU?

That means they don't have proper cooling for the GPU. Stuff a fairly high end card (6750M, good for a mainstream laptop) and you need a good heatsink/fan combo. And airflow is crucial in a laptop, it could be that too.

That means they don't have proper cooling for the GPU. Stuff a fairly high end card (6750M, good for a mainstream laptop) and you need a good heatsink/fan combo. And airflow is crucial in a laptop, it could be that too.

I think I'll just leave this alone for now, I don't believe previous models (09/10) ever got too hot, I'll have to wait and see how this generation goes... they are mostly quads, after all. Anyway, I still believe the freezing issue was driver related.

IMO the unibodies have the best laptop cooling solution out there. Where it sucks the air through the keyboard and exhausts it along the big hinge where the screen meets the body. This way I can use my MBP on my bed/sofa and not have to stick textbooks under (like my old high-end hp) it to prevent overheating.

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Originally Posted by steelbom

I think I'll just leave this alone for now, I don't believe previous models (09/10) ever got too hot, I'll have to wait and see how this generation goes... they are mostly quads, after all. Anyway, I still believe the freezing issue was driver related.

Peace...

I left this thread too. In the other people's minds, Apple already failed big time. No company is ever perfect in the initial months of releasing a product. Nvidia got it initially with the 480GTX (nevermind the crazy delays), ATi got it with the 5870, Intel got it with Sandy Bridge and AMD got it with the TLB cache bug. Just let them be and let them hate.