You can improve jpeg noise reduction with a faster cpu and better algorithm, and you can lower banding with better readouts. The 70d might also get a better noise pattern like 5d2->5d3. And you probably can bump dynamic range a bit with the same sensor tech (see minor dr increase 5d3->6d) - but that's about it.

+1000

The press release downplays the BSI sensor, while hyping the new Digic 6 processor.Just consider that Canon doesn't have BSI technology in-house.So, the sensor is sourced from someone else (Sony?).At the same time, Digic is an in-house technology for Canon.

Personally, I can't wait until FF trickles down to the Rebel. Isn't that the inevitable way things are going? It may take awhile, but personally a 6D is not exactly an "affordable" FF. To me a sub $1,000 FF is the holy grail. And I cannot wait until it happens.

Personally, I can't wait until FF trickles down to the Rebel. Isn't that the inevitable way things are going? It may take awhile, but personally a 6D is not exactly an "affordable" FF. To me a sub $1,000 FF is the holy grail. And I cannot wait until it happens.

I wouldn't hold my breath on a super-cheap full frame DSLR. You get a lot fewer 24mm x 36mm chips out of a wafer than you do 14.8mm x 22.2m chips, and there's never going to be any significant demand for such a camera. APS-C truly is the superior format for the Rebel crowd in so many ways.

Asking for a cheap 135-format DSLR is a lot like asking for caviar at canned tuna prices so you can use it in your noodle casserole.

Personally, I can't wait until FF trickles down to the Rebel. Isn't that the inevitable way things are going?

Certainly not - ff sensors will *always* be more expensive, but Rebels will *always* be the most cost effective cameras. Plus all the ef-s lenses only work with aps-c sensors because ff have a larger mirror, so unless Canon goes mirrorless ff won't "trickle down" but aps-c sensors will become better nearly obsoleting ff unless for high mp sensors.

Plus ff has some decisive disadvantages for the average shooter:

* smaller depth of field (hard to handle, or the larger dof/iso compensates part of the noise advantage),

+1 I feel confident that they won't be manufacturing or releasing any sub $1000 Full Frame cameras... ever, why would they have too? They already have a great FF market share and thousands of us world wide that pay for FF that are no where near that price point. The rest of the world buys crop or p&s and some of us purchase both!

Personally, I can't wait until FF trickles down to the Rebel. Isn't that the inevitable way things are going? It may take awhile, but personally a 6D is not exactly an "affordable" FF. To me a sub $1,000 FF is the holy grail. And I cannot wait until it happens.

Yeah... wait another 4 years when the 6D Mrk II comes out... Your dream will come a reality, because the 6D will be available for $1000 (body only)However, you will also look at the other more capable FFs that came after the 6D and dream the day when those are less than/equal to $1000.

I feel confident that they won't be manufacturing or releasing any sub $1000 Full Frame cameras... ever, why would they have too?

They'll do it when the competition forces them directly, or indirectly. Its an inevitability. Many makers fighting for market share makes for good competition, and also makes for good value in the product.

I feel confident that they won't be manufacturing or releasing any sub $1000 Full Frame cameras... ever, why would they have too?

They'll do it when the competition forces them directly, or indirectly. Its an inevitability. Many makers fighting for market share makes for good competition, and also makes for good value in the product.

Its only a matter of when, not if.

Well, I agree it will happen, but what will they release? Something like the 6D or the EOS-M, "me too" products arranged just to give some bland competition?

I feel confident that they won't be manufacturing or releasing any sub $1000 Full Frame cameras... ever, why would they have too?

They'll do it when the competition forces them directly, or indirectly. Its an inevitability. Many makers fighting for market share makes for good competition, and also makes for good value in the product.

Its only a matter of when, not if.

Well, I agree it will happen, but what will they release? Something like the 6D or the EOS-M, "me too" products arranged just to give some bland competition?

Yes. They will release the most basic models that their marketing division deems necessary to maintain market share. Eventually, mirrorless will be the real game changer. For now, I am extremely interested to see the performance of the sensor in the 7D's replacement.

Big companies disappeared completely (expample: German electronics) because they chose the "if" option instead of "when" - conservatism, arrogance and thinking in quarterly profit reports seem to have no limit.

I also think Canon will have to do something eventually, but if they continue to alienate their vocal enthusiast users it's not that easy to recover in a word of global communication and viral marketing. Proof: As far as I see it during the last 2 years general opinion toward Canon in CR has changed, from "begone, Nikon trolls" to "well, Canon is really lacking innovation and driving a high-price policy at the same time".

I feel confident that they won't be manufacturing or releasing any sub $1000 Full Frame cameras... ever, why would they have too?

They'll do it when the competition forces them directly, or indirectly. Its an inevitability. Many makers fighting for market share makes for good competition, and also makes for good value in the product.