I think I'll throw in my 2 cents. I'm somewhat new to noisebridge, but I'm enthusiastic about becoming a member and (hopefully) will be one soon. It would make me sad if the space was closed at nights, but also after doing an all nighter here last week it was pretty apparent why nighttime access is a problem. It would be great if it was a relatively chill space all night long. The idea of taking a temporary measure with a sunset clause is a great one - I feel that it might inspire people to come to meetings with a specific need to reach consensus (if you're going to use the space at night, suggest a solution and take responsibility). Even if all measures were only temporary, at least the space of answers is actively explored and experimented with.
I also wonder if agenda items such 'Discussion of the efficacy and effects of installing the analog video camera' would be too specific, or if they could be productive - what I mean is atomic discussions of small but potentially significant trials and their resulting impacts. I guess this is suggesting the idea of a 'scientific' approach.
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On Feb 9, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Shannon Lee wrote:
> I really like the idea of coming up with measures we can implement with specific and short sunset clauses -- "we're having members-only hours for two weeks" or "we're cutting the buzzer wire for two week" that way we don't have to feel like whatever we do is Forever (and therefore Dangerous and Important and stuff).
>> --S
>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com> wrote:
> I like Kelly's solution to this problem. The biggest problem I see is doing nothing at all and people blocking it for silly and illogical reasons. I also like the idea of a member or a trusted person being responsible for a guest. The way I see it is if we want a 24/7 space it is a great thing. With all great things, come great responsibility and we are avoiding that.
>> What I would suggest is temporarily closing at night until we implement something better than what is going on now(nothing). We could vote every week on it. This way Nosebridge is a safer drama free place for now and will hopefully motivate the "No members hours" people to get going.
>> Please be aware I am not a member and would most likely be affected by Nosebridge not being open at night.
>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Wladyslaw Zbikowski <embeddedlinuxguy at gmail.com> wrote:
> Guys, I don't know if you're all unaware of this, but a number of
> people who chronically use Noisebridge for not-hacking already have
> the damn keys.
>> I propose a simple question as shibboleth: "Do you want to hack?"
> Those who answer rightly may pass.
>> What's the point of securing the door without a clear criterion of who
> belongs on which side?
>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Shannon Lee <shannon at scatter.com> wrote:
> > +1
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 1:43 PM, tedward <arbzed at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Proposal:
> >>
> >> After a certain time in the evening, the buzzer is automatically disabled.
> >> If you want to access the space after that time, you need to either have a
> >> key (meaning presumably you have been around the community for a bit and
> >> gained someone's trust) or else interact via telephone with someone who is
> >> already inside and convince them to let you in (maybe this person has to
> >> actually walk downstairs to open the door). It seems to me that this would
> >> satisfy our minimal trust criteria without greatly altering the
> >> space's accessibility for users who don't intent to burgle, assault, or
> >> inhabit.
> >>
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