In this 25-page article, this archetypal gray-haired granny simply reads the New Testament — particularly the Gospels — and reports what she finds about Jesus: his insults and angry words, his deceptions, his impatience, his contradictions, his hellfire and damnation preaching, his braggadocio, his purposely confusing parables, his refusal to heal a little Gentile girl, his failure to condemn slavery, his horrible treatment of his own family, etc., etc. The results will be shocking to most Christians, and even non-Christians will be stunned to learn that everything they knew about Jesus is wrong. Here are some tasty bits from this epic article:

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Jesus bases his ministry upon the assumption that the end of the world is imminent and that he will return shortly and establish the king­dom he preaches. In the Gospel of Matthew alone, Jesus refers to this con­cept at least six times. “From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand” (Matthew 4:17). These words of warning are an exact repetition of those of John the Baptist, whom many mistake for the Messiah (Matthew 3:2).

Sending his Disciples out onto the circuit, Jesus reminds them: “For ver­ily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come” (Matthew 10:23). Again Jesus asserts: “There shall be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom” (Matthew 16:28). He makes it clear, after describing his early triumphant return: “This generation shall not pass till all these things be fulfilled” (Matthew 24:34).

In Galilee Jesus repeats: “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand” (Mark 1:15). “The hour is come, and now is, when the dead shall hear the Voice of the Son of God” (John 5:25). Finally: “If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?” (John 21:22). Here Jesus speaks of the Disci­ple John to Peter. Paul and the other evangelist Apostles take up Jesus’ clar­ion prediction, still echoed today.

As a natural accompaniment to the wording of impending doom, verbal pictures of the End are majestically painted by Jesus on several occasions. His second coming will bring about the redemption of the Jews from the Gentiles, and the establishment of the Jewish kingdom of God.

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Despite belief to the contrary prevalent today, Jesus was not a booster for family life. In the scriptures he treats his mother and siblings with something less than affection and respect. He does not marry or father children. After laying down rules about adultery and divorce, he proceeds to predict some rather astonishing effects that belief in him will have upon the family as an institution: “For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household” (Matthew 10:35, 36). From the time he is twelve years old and doesn’t bother to tell his moth­er that he is remaining in the temple, he seems to have no close ties to his family and discourages his converts from having any with theirs.

He demands that they drop everything immediately to become his fol­lowers: “And he said unto another, Follow me. But he said, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead… And another also said, Lord, I will follow thee; but first let me go bid them farewell, which are at home at my house. And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God” (Luke 9:59-62). Two of his disciples actually leave their father mending the fishing nets (Matthew 4:21, 22).

It is a real puzzle where Christians today get their exalted view of the Christian family. And few Bible readers will understand the worshipful position accorded to Mary, for Jesus was rude to his mother at the marriage feast: “Woman, what have I to do with thee?” (John 2:1–4). And he was even more uncivil when she and his brothers waited at the edge of a crowd to speak to him, posing a question to his Disciples: “Who is my mother? And who are my brethren?” and indicating that the Disciples were now his family (Matthew 12:46–49). Then he added that all who do the will of God, “the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.”

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Before he departed this vale of tears, as God’s habitat for humanity this side of the grave has been described, the Savior of the entire world might have been expected to leave very lucid instructions as to how salvation might be achieved. And from his lips on various occasions do fall words that supposedly pinpoint “the way.” Such words should leave not the smallest doubt, for they deal with everlasting happiness or inevitable everlasting torment. Let these words be examined!

When a lawyer questions Jesus about the requirements for eternal life (in heaven, one assumes), Jesus asks the lawyer what “the law” says, no doubt referring to the Mosaic law. The lawyer answers: “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself.” Jesus replies: “Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live” (Luke 10:25–28).

No mention of belief in himself as the Son of God or the Redeemer of the world from sin! In other words, one does not have to be a Christian to be saved. Love for God and fellow beings suffices.

Consider, then, Jesus’ words at another time: “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life; and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him” (John 3:36). To Nicodemus, Jesus also expounded: “He that believeth on him is not condemned; but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God” (John 3:17, 18).

No mention of love of God and neighbor! Unquestioning belief is all that is necessary for salvation. There are no other stipulations.

Jesus’ above statements are categorical, but in at least one sense the two requirements are at odds, for Deism and Christianity are not one and the same in every case, not by far. For, although Christianity may imply love of God and one’s neighbor, such love does not necessarily imply Christianity. Thus, Jesus himself is presented in the scriptures as denying the need of anyone for a Savior.

But that is not yet the end of the puzzle. Jesus continues to put up con­flicting guideposts: “The hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life, and they that have done evil, unto the resurrec­tion of damnation” (John 5:28, 29). No mention of belief in Jesus Christ or of love of God and neighbor! Now only good deeds assure one of “life.” No need here, or in above rules, to be reborn!

About the Article’s Author: Ruth Hurmence Green (1915–1981). The Iowa native received a journalism degree from Texas Tech in 1935, married, had three children, and settled in Missouri. Ruth, a “halfhearted Methodist,” first plodded through the bible when convalescing from cancer in her early sixties, calling the shock she suffered from reading the book worse than the trauma caused by her illness. “There wasn’t a page of the bible that didn’t offend me in some way. There is no other book between whose covers life is so cheap,” Ruth discovered, prompting her to write the enduring modern freethought classic, The Born Again Skeptic’s Guide to the Bible (1979). When terminal cancer developed in 1981, Ruth, who always insisted, “There are atheists in foxholes,” took her own life, swallowing painkillers. In her last letter to Anne Gaylor of the Freedom From Religion Foundation on July 4, 1981, Ruth wrote: “Freedom depends upon freethinkers.”

But how different would that same Jesus appear yet again if you took the excluded gospels into account? It seems both interpretations are wrong.

http://disinfo.com ralph

That is an interesting way to look at the argument Ruth Hurmence Green is attempting to make.

Sleeper3651

What you refer to as the “excluded gospels” were totally ignored by the early church. If they were actually legitimate, this would not have been the case. In point of fact what was “cannonized” was the scripture that the followers considered as Legitimate. In use, followed, recognized, by those who lived at the time and were witnesses to the events, but never gave credibility to these works, these other less credible works were not even considered. In most cases their is no evidence that they were even authored by the people whose name appears in their titles.

TravisK

The shift in consciousness appears occurring, thus the people are slowly beginning to awaken to realize; They have been deceived from every angle. Hundreds of thousands of yrs in the making, hundreds of ancient stories taken by one called “Abraham” out of the Land of Ur, people, places and events plagiarised in order to create a Hebrew linage, rewritten over and over again by politicians such as the Counsel of Laodicea/Mohammed and walla, you have the best selling disinformation campaign in recent human history.

The Holy Bible/Koran, is 70% crapola, and is still doing the job it was designed to do by the service-to-self leg of the Aryan Brotherhood of the Serpent; to test the resolve by “divide and conquer” to “fight, screw and win the world”.

http://twitter.com/enkiv2 John Ohno

Belief is the enemy.

John

Travis you can yell as loud as you like, but please try to understand your subject matter first. Everyone has opinions, I for example think I am goodlooking. But mirrors offer enough evidence to show I am not. Still, I believe I am anyway. This is the way I see your post ; it is devoid of fact and smothered in hope and opinion.

thenakedfish

“simply reading the new testament” and assuming that your understanding of the text is accurate is a dangerous place to start – something that an atheist should have an acute awareness of, seeing how this mistaken basis for truth and religion has most likely been one of the primary factors in their (lack of) faith.

Honest Inquiry in to the text would reveal that when Jesus spoke of impending doom, he accurately predicted the fall of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. – an event that fulfilled much of the prophesy in The Revelation of Jesus – A.K.A. the book of “Revelation”, and other such truths that, while perhaps are not present in many places that like to call themselves “church” or Christians, are in fact there if you are looking for them.

This article reads as if the author had made up her mind going in to her study, and not as one written with an open mind. I understand that the religion (especially, perhaps, in america) that calls itself Christianity can be extremely irritating and uphold beliefs that are perhaps laughable, at times, but in critiquing those beliefs, it would be better to take a sincerely humble, open minded and educated approach.

cheers!

blow

“Work, work while ye have the light!”

I am not a Christian, but the person quoted in this article reveals a deep misunderstanding regarding Christ's words. As do 99.9% of so-called Christians. Amen.

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/ Synapse

thenakedfish:

Honest Inquiry would remember that the Gospels weren't written till well after the destruction of the Temple (Paul, who at least lived in the period, doesn't even quote half of what the Gospels claim). If we assume your reading of the prophecy is correct (and not a worldwide armageddon as it describes) It's quite easy to predict the downfall of something that already occured.

You don't have to be an atheist or closed minded to realise the Gospels have been carefully selected and presented by the catholic church for nearly 2000 years to present the view of Jesus that they want, and even then they prefer you don't really read into the books and listen to what they say about it.

Check out the website I link to for more info to the books and sources that really crafted the Jesus image.

thenakedfish

the website you linked to is quite extensive – anything a little bit more concise that you could recommend?

Pilas

This lady as well as her book are just more proof that even so called educated people fail to understand what Jesus Christ was all about. Just like in his time, Jesus was not understood by the educated people of his time, the Pharasees and others. That's why he eventually was crucified.

johnthefireeater

That's rather simplistic, and really needs some qualification. What do you think, JC was 'all about'? 'This lady's biopic suggests she was a close, critical reader of the bible. Are you? It sounds more like you're another hymn singing palm raiser with tears streaming from your wide smiling eyes as you gaze awestruck into the holy light of God's word while it pours from the lips of your local minister. I'm sure the Pharisees 'and others' understood full well what JC was all about, and That's exactly why he was crucified. Are you educated on the socio-historical-political context of the times surrounding the production of the biblical text? and the ways in which the text was fabricated by powerful factions … such as the 'others' you mention?

Sleeper3651

This lady “a close, critical reader of the bible” hardly. She has no comprehension of her read. She has eliminated context at every point, and succeeded only in twisting meaning. The start of GODs kingdom on earth did begin with Jesus Death. To suggest other meaning for His words is to ignore all prior and subsequent events and clearly demonstrates that she was anything but knowlegeable about her subject.

Sleeper3651

text fabricated by powerful factions…..give me a break! powerful factions were two, the Jewish poltical/religous body that insisted he be killed, and the roman occupation forces that killed him, and any of his followers as treason/seditionists. It was a persecuted rabble that tell the tale. Rewrites of history continue to try, but explaining away the growth of Christianity upon the death of a penniless unemployed carpenter are just plain hopeless.

Venus Summers

The bible says god left 10 commandments…….the first one says(thou shall have no other gods before me)…..therefore this whole giving your life to jesus is a set up……..God said nothing of his son…….in fact this whole book is about putting your faith in 2000 yr old words that a MAN wrote…..not god……In case you didnt know Men have always been liers, especially if theres money and power involved!

bettycrayons

The really funny part is that there were actually something like 613 “commandments” but we just “use” ten of them 😉

Sleeper3651

Actually according to deuteronomy chapter six there were TWO!

John

I case you didnt remember , these cowards who ran away when Jesus was arrested :out of fear for their safety, all gave up their lives insisting he was telling the truth! The very calendar was changed as a result. To top it off JESUS DEATH is what began the sinlge largest group of religions on the planet, instead of dying with him. Now aside from the phenomenon of prophetic innerancy that is completely impossible-yet IS- we must face the growth of the most unpopular way to live as a miraculous event, for it is too “in your face” -church existence and growth! The Christian church apart from divine intervention simply WOULD NOT BE HERE at all. Your assumption that GOD could not or would not step into the very heart of humanity and become kinfolk in order to have a family is purely that ;an assumption, not at all researched, but based in opinion. By the way it is mind numbing to think that the greatest military might on earth failed to carry out the death penalty in the case of Jesus, and that a roman centurian- a battle scarred veteran could stab HIM in front of witnesses and pronounce HIM dead and then in the space of days witnesses-No less than eleven would choose to all follow a fool into that death (just in case HE was telling the truth).

http://www.biblecoloringsheets.net/ Jalen

Remember the television game show “Concentration”? There was a large board segmented by a grid of about 20 numbers. The contestants had to pick 2 numbers to try and make a match. If they were successful, those 2 numbers were swept away and a portion of a hidden rebus puzzle was revealed.

The most sordid pretext of maximum power in the name of false andmendacious love that literally walks over dead bodies without hesitationor scruple.

Backed by the false doctrine of the New Testament, the Christian cultreligion meddles in the politics of all countries. Moreover, it is not embarrassed to interfere in the most intimate family life of human beingsevenin the bed of marriage partners-in order even there to attack anddestroy the last and most private secrets of human beings.Now finally has come the time when a stop can be put to all theseunscrupulous activities, if man becomes sensible enough, revises histhinking and devotes himself to the real teachings of Jmmanuel. In alllikelihood, all those who have bashed their heads against the brick wall ofthe cult religions deceitful madness and are therefore no longer capableof normal and sensible thinking, will fight and oppose it with all means;and yet, their desperate fight will be in vain because truth will be strongerthan any cult-religious mania or dirty lie, even though the lie has been inexistence for thousands of years. The scandalous falsehoods of cultreligions will now be shattered and destroyed for good, no matter howmuch the cult religions and all their followers and advocates rebel againstit. Finally truth will be victorious, even though it must be secured throughgreat struggles, as it has been written in the Scriptures, which say that thetruth will provoke a worldwide catastrophe. However, truth is required andmust no longer be silenced. A catastrophe will be understandable if oneconsiders that the cult religions have attained immense power, which sofar has enabled them to suppress, with murderous and sordid means, alltruths directed against them.

Reader of the talmud. As a convicted murderer of man, by any judge anywhere knows, you cannot wriggle out of your sentence by promising to be GOOD. This is the formula used by all who claim Abraham as their ancestral beginning. ADAM is our ancestral beginning not Abraham. All sinners. NO ESCAPE by being GOOD. It takes a ransom, a penalty paid, a price exacted ;a restitution. even a rescue. but good behavior can only acheive a bit of time off. As enemies of GOD we cannot set the terms of truce. HE accepts only surrender, because HE WINS. He cannot be beaten, we cannot dictate OUR terms. He chooses the terms, and only surrender will be acceptable to HIM. The definition of cult is “group of a name”. All who follow ANYONE are cultist. ANYONE. Do you follow anyone jmmanuel? perhaps Mohammed? Mohammed was not alive at the time of Christ. He was not qualified as the only sinless sacrifice,not qualified as one raised from the dead, not qualified as an EYEWITNESS to those events.Not qualified as an expert on Hebrew history or Roman military prowess or culture. For Mohammed to declare that the Christ did not die for our redemption leaves no hope for salvation, for as I said we do not dictate to the great creator of all. HE dictates to us.

rlionsan

thenakedfish

Actually the Christians are the ones who had made up their minds even before reading the Gospels. When they read them they have already been convinced by constant brainwashing that Jesus is the son of god, that his words are an example of priceless wisdom, and so forth. When the text obviously shows something different, they rationalize it with arguments about the sociopolitical context or something else. What is really dangerous is to read the Bible with preconveived ideas about the existence of god and the divinity of Jesus, and that is exactly what Christians do.

VeritasVosLiberabi

Rlionsan, try this expeiment just once:

Drop everything you think you know about God, clear your mind of any preconceived notions, feelings, ideas, what you experienced in childhood, college, what other people think, everything that has anything to do with what you think of “God” or even no belief etc.

Now, go get a bible. May I recommend the NIV (New International Version). Read through it from the beginning and have God prove to you he exists.

Careful leslie your giving away the secret recipe…….karloskomatose you sound like one of the devils loser friends who prefer bloodsuckers liars and thieves to anything decent. Your parents must be very proud….

Sleeper3651

Actually the christians never planned to become christians, they did not desire such a situation, it is too selfless for us selfish people to want. Unfortunately it is far too legitimate to avoid. It is far too unrealistic to believe that kissing a frog turns it into a prince, but the secular huimanists insist that it will; provided we just wait for a few million years.

internett3

I can't help to say my opinion. The author of this write-ups lack love. It is all her selfish and desire to disinform every believers of Christs. So whom does she believes that will save her soul from the lake of fire where she doesn't believe at all that her suffering from illness will be cured. It is not good works. It is your faith and guidance from the Holy Spirit.

http://www.HannamWakelinonline.com the vermin8tor

Let's get 1 thing straight.I am NOT anti-God or Christ,atheist or in a satanic cult.As I strongly believe someone or something designed,created and bought into existence all we see in Nature, the Earth and the universe. what I've studied,and discovered that in Genesis where it states”In the beginning GOD created”,that when translated from the Old Germanic to the Latin,the German word for good,”gut”,was “bastardized” and erroneously translated as “GOD”.So I think Genesis 1 vs 1 should read as follows- “In the Beginning,the GOOD, Elohim – “GOD,or the gods”created (designed and then bought forth into existence)…”Possibly a federation of heavenly beings through a source or GOD himself,following his instructions.And I have found a supposed banned book of THE ZIONIST Protocols which actually state these evil Jew”corrupted the Christian youth with PC Games,entertainment etc and put out a horrific blasphemous doctrine for us the GOYIM to keep us dumb and hopefully lead all to their religion,so they can control us. To them we are mere cattle,needing to be herded and slaughtered. Find it and read it.Watch You tube videos of Rabbi Weiss and you'll see the US/Israel/Zionist conspiracies and lies surface.And download an e-book called the “secret origins of the Bible”.We're all being spoon fed BS.By the RC church,Sun-day evangelists,etc.

http://www.HannamWakelinonline.com the vermin8tor

Satan is the ruler of all the kingdoms,systems of this world and the father of all lies.The Zionist movement are the “Synagogue of Satan” as written in the Book of revelations.And the SUN-day churches and preachers are their MUPPETS.

http://www.HannamWakelinonline.com the vermin8tor

While viewing videos on You tube,I came across one about a journalist who ventured into the Greek quarter of Old Jerusalem. He was shown an ancient book written by the younger brother of Jesus, called James. Apparently he and members of their following were losing members to another “way”, a new version of the Jesus story,and he was warning those who would stop and listen to him,it was a heresy.That they should hold fast to what they were taught by their Master,Jesus,and keep with the “Family” tradition.The Heresy apparently was being preached by PAUL,the SAUL who persecuted and killed many Jews.James and company never mention anything about the crucifixion,blood sacrifice or death and resurrection of Jesus.They state they thought of him as a blessed man of God, not divine.He was called (their) Master.Watch a You tube video of Rabbi Weiss in NY? and he'll tell you how SUN-day Christians work.If you state something about or in the bible,that they don't believe,they ridicule then attack you. I realized this after talking with a street preacher. He only wanted to push his “way” and his way alone.He didn't care about what I believed.He was saying basically forget ALL the facts,and evidence of false doctrines and contradictions in the Bible,that I discovered it's a phoney put out by Satan loving Zionist Jews, and just believe the fairytale!I reads in their Protocols that they denied Christ as their”King of the Jews” as they want to find a puppet,crown him king and put him on the throne of Israel, the fake State and call him King of the Jews!

http://www.HannamWakelinonline.com the vermin8tor

You MUST conform to the Way of the Sun-day belief! If you don't, you will be told what is written is FACT,infallible and correct.Yet REAL history and recent archaeological digs prove otherwise.You will be persuaded to ignore all you've discovered-the fairy tales,lies,mistranslations,false doctrines etc-and bought under the thumb and control of the SUN-day believer.You will be ridiculed,attacked,shouted down,and back stabbed.Just come to our Church,watch a movie,get brainwashed you dirty sinner piece of shit! You'll NEVER understand God so give up, bend over, stop resisting,as only we know the truth.

http://www.HannamWakelinonline.com the vermin8tor

Moses supposedly was the forefather or founder creator of MONOTHEISM – Belief in ONE God.All Christians profess to worship only 1.But worship 2..3…God.Jesus Holy Ghost.This is known as POLYTHEISM.Worship of 2 or more Gods.GOD states in the old testament,”I AM ONE GOD THERE IS NONE OTHER BUT ME!”Ask a christian, does God change his mind? He'll say No… he keeps his covenants.promises…..He's the God that always was,is,and will be.He never changes…Yes he does.He makes man,man rebels so …He has a change of heart and kills a race,as they angered him.Look inside find God your way…The Kingdom of God is within YOU.Around you.In the air,sound animal life etc!Don't become another MUPPET!

the vermin8tor

We are our own worst enemy.We have none but ourselves to judge us.By what we did when we were alive.By us failing to find the true path,heed,accept,receive and follow the Christ.If the road is narrow and few are on it..then billions of us are eternally doomed! As we're being spoon fed 2000 year old BS doctrines by devils!

http://www.HannamWakelinonline.com the vermin8tor

All religions seem to be Mithraic in origin. Many of the Pagan myths have just been “prettied” up in different lands,and Christianity has adopted numerous ideas from these.True Religion is this:”Tending to the poor and needy,widows, sick and orphans.Utilizing Charity faith,Hope and Love.The greatest of these is Love.”Giving but not letting one arm know what the other has given.Submission to God.Putting your entire being into love of him.Sacrifice.Self loss.Commitment.devotion.Total focus.Following ALL of set his Laws.Having that mindset of God,for God.Islam is the most submissive,but I think high regard for Mohammed, a man, is not so good.I think I 'll just stick to the Aramaic Peshitta as I read its the MOST accurate and proven unchanged.

the vermin8tor

Apparently “Amen” is an old Egyptian word praising their God – “Amun-RA.” A Sun God. They say this in Sunday churches.Yes? I say “Selah”. “So be it.” I wonder if the NZ Maori were once of the ancient Egyptian race as “RA” in their Language is “Sun”.

the vermin8tor

Typical christian trait I have discovered over the years. Forget all, follow just follow like all the other sheep. Baa! Don't question, just follow.If you lie,or profess or repeat false doctrine that's okay.Just ignore that.If it's proven to be heresy, don't worry about it.Just carry on and give bad accounts.The original chosen of God,a sect now called Zionists,have created lies to keep us dumb but that's okay,keep preaching their blasphemies.Wonder why I have NO real blessings in my life.But only let downs..God doesn't seem to be answering my prayers.Hmmm…Wondering what I'm doing wrong?

“KNOW (discover,look for and find) THE TRUTH,AND (that) TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE!”

Nothing personal. I think the best way to get the real truth is to simply…Shut up,and wait for the HS to come and convict you of Sin and instruct you,Yes?

the vermin8tor

Here's a test..download mp3 torrent of I-Doser,”hand of God” or “Gate of Hades”,play it with headphones on and see if you see God using it.If you do,then God will be real for you,whether you are a hard atheist or christian.And that's all that matters.I heard a church testimony of a guy who took LSD,tripped and went to the pearly gates.An evil angel laughed at him and said “you'll never get in there!” So he became a Christian just to prove that Devil wrong!

Donnie Darko

Ruth Green was a moron. She was also a half-hearted human being.You can’t call yourself educated if you don’t know and understand the Bible. You may not believe it but it is a must read for an educated person.

Donnie Darko

Ruth Green was a moron. She was also a half-hearted human being.You can't call yourself educated if you don't know and understand the Bible. You may not believe it but it is a must read for an educated person.

kikku

the one we worship(Christ) as god is the real devil,
Just think about how Christianity has changed the whole world………….it shed more blood than any convulsion,in the name of christ they countless human being with force or wangled,and those who rebelled was outlawed…..Just see where christianity stands now………They worked through the levels…………And when one world govt one religion comes into existence who knows how the world will look under the strings pulled by church …..i just cant think about it.

kikku

the one we worship(Christ) as god is the real devil,
Just think about how Christianity has changed the whole world………….it shed more blood than any convulsion,in the name of christ they countless human being with force or wangled,and those who rebelled was outlawed…..Just see where christianity stands now………They worked through the levels…………And when one world govt one religion comes into existence who knows how the world will look under the strings pulled by church …..i just cant think about it.

Sleeper3651

Well historically speaking, the legacy of Christianity was hospitals, schools, equal rights for women, and most of the decent values that people used to praise. I shudder to think of how much bloodshed we would have faced without it. In point of fact more death was introduced through the atheistic beliefs in china and russia who both slaughtered wholesale in their own oppressive countries a greater number of lives than any war ever has. Nazi germany based on the darwinian concepts Adolf embraced, survival of the fittest = domination of the “master race” drive-by’s abortions, and wars for profit all make the crusades a petty blight by comparison. This concept of Christianity as is usually the case with Psuedo intellectual atheists demonstates a complete lack of realistic research.

Sleeper3651

What you refer to as the “excluded gospels” were totally ignored by the early church. If they were actually legitimate, this would not have been the case. In point of fact what was “cannonized” was the scripture that the followers considered as Legitimate. In use, followed, recognized, by those who lived at the time and were witnesses to the events, but never gave credibility to these works, these other less credible works were not even considered. In most cases their is no evidence that they were even authored by the people whose name appears in their titles.

Sleeper3651

Well historically speaking, the legacy of Christianity was hospitals, schools, equal rights for women, and most of the decent values that people used to praise. I shudder to think of how much bloodshed we would have faced without it. In point of fact more death was introduced through the atheistic beliefs in china and russia who both slaughtered wholesale in their own oppressive countries a greater number of lives than any war ever has. Nazi germany based on the darwinian concepts Adolf embraced, survival of the fittest = domination of the “master race” drive-by’s abortions, and wars for profit all make the crusades a petty blight by comparison. This concept of Christianity as is usually the case with Psuedo intellectual atheists demonstates a complete lack of realistic research.

John

I case you didnt remember , these cowards who ran away when Jesus was arrested :out of fear for their safety, all gave up their lives insisting he was telling the truth! The very calendar was changed as a result. To top it off JESUS DEATH is what began the sinlge largest group of religions on the planet, instead of dying with him. Now aside from the phenomenon of prophetic innerancy that is completely impossible-yet IS- we must face the growth of the most unpopular way to live as a miraculous event, for it is too “in your face” -church existence and growth! The Christian church apart from divine intervention simply WOULD NOT BE HERE at all. Your assumption that GOD could not or would not step into the very heart of humanity and become kinfolk in order to have a family is purely that ;an assumption, not at all researched, but based in opinion. By the way it is mind numbing to think that the greatest military might on earth failed to carry out the death penalty in the case of Jesus, and that a roman centurian- a battle scarred veteran could stab HIM in front of witnesses and pronounce HIM dead and then in the space of days witnesses-No less than eleven would choose to all follow a fool into that death (just in case HE was telling the truth).

Sleeper3651

Actually according to deuteronomy chapter six there were TWO!

Sleeper3651

This lady “a close, critical reader of the bible” hardly. She has no comprehension of her read. She has eliminated context at every point, and succeeded only in twisting meaning. The start of GODs kingdom on earth did begin with Jesus Death. To suggest other meaning for His words is to ignore all prior and subsequent events and clearly demonstrates that she was anything but knowlegeable about her subject.

Sleeper3651

text fabricated by powerful factions…..give me a break! powerful factions were two, the Jewish poltical/religous body that insisted he be killed, and the roman occupation forces that killed him, and any of his followers as treason/seditionists. It was a persecuted rabble that tell the tale. Rewrites of history continue to try, but explaining away the growth of Christianity upon the death of a penniless unemployed carpenter are just plain hopeless.

John

Travis you can yell as loud as you like, but please try to understand your subject matter first. Everyone has opinions, I for example think I am goodlooking. But mirrors offer enough evidence to show I am not. Still, I believe I am anyway. This is the way I see your post ; it is devoid of fact and smothered in hope and opinion.

Sleeper3651

Actually the christians never planned to become christians, they did not desire such a situation, it is too selfless for us selfish people to want. Unfortunately it is far too legitimate to avoid. It is far too unrealistic to believe that kissing a frog turns it into a prince, but the secular huimanists insist that it will; provided we just wait for a few million years.

John

Careful leslie your giving away the secret recipe…….karloskomatose you sound like one of the devils loser friends who prefer bloodsuckers liars and thieves to anything decent. Your parents must be very proud….

John

Reader of the talmud. As a convicted murderer of man, by any judge anywhere knows, you cannot wriggle out of your sentence by promising to be GOOD. This is the formula used by all who claim Abraham as their ancestral beginning. ADAM is our ancestral beginning not Abraham. All sinners. NO ESCAPE by being GOOD. It takes a ransom, a penalty paid, a price exacted ;a restitution. even a rescue. but good behavior can only acheive a bit of time off. As enemies of GOD we cannot set the terms of truce. HE accepts only surrender, because HE WINS. He cannot be beaten, we cannot dictate OUR terms. He chooses the terms, and only surrender will be acceptable to HIM. The definition of cult is “group of a name”. All who follow ANYONE are cultist. ANYONE. Do you follow anyone jmmanuel? perhaps Mohammed? Mohammed was not alive at the time of Christ. He was not qualified as the only sinless sacrifice,not qualified as one raised from the dead, not qualified as an EYEWITNESS to those events.Not qualified as an expert on Hebrew history or Roman military prowess or culture. For Mohammed to declare that the Christ did not die for our redemption leaves no hope for salvation, for as I said we do not dictate to the great creator of all. HE dictates to us.