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We're speaking about his priorities. Both PSL and IPL are foreign leagues to him. He didn't even bother playing a single PSL match this year despite having a contract, and despite having all the time in the world. Why?

As I said, an ok player like Dwayne isn't a benchmark to prove who has more priorities because the guy doesn't even have any priority for his country when it comes to IPL.

Great Reply.
Only way for Indians to prove their patriotism is speaking rubbish against Pakistan just see their cricketers now speaking rubbish against Afridi so they can prove how much they love India in Pakistan we have million problems but atleast we don't have to prove our patriotism in India I basically see indians trying hard to prove how much they love their country on the other hand each and every Pakistani love their country by core of their hearts
Long Love Pakistan 🇵🇰

PSL has even less recognisable players than bpl. It's a perfect league for minnow players, that's why so many close matches happened. Low quality but close matches.

PSL has given us Shadab Hassan Babar Fakhar and Talat within 3 seasons add to that no 1 t20 ranking and an ICC trophy we are happy with that .. quality showed on 18th June and will again be shown on September

Yes I know, the point was that why no Bilateral series, but yes to ICC events. Not that I need to know the answer (because I know it), but simply pointing out the lack of consistency and presence of hypocrisy in both POVs.

BCCI say they do not want India to play Pakistan but do so in ICC events.

What's your point?

In the past he's expressed his desire to play in IPL (some years after his first season in 08) and wasn't happy with the exclusion of Pakistan players.

All fair points from him ^ but now he looks stupid because now he's saying he never wanted to play IPL and he wouldn't participate if offered to do so, which we know isn't true.

Also look at the difference in how he's going about this since the tournament in Switzerland with Indian players (and their fans) and now with all these political statements.

Unfortunately like Waqar Younis it seems like many of our fellow Pakistanis have inherited this gene of having a big mouth and chatting crap out of their a$$. Some of the PPers are no different either.

In terms of huge noisy Crowds & Razzmatazz, the IPL will always lead the way.
In terms of the actual Cricketing Entertainment; comparing the 2017 IPL and 2018 PSL.
The 2018 PSL was much more exciting and entertaining in my opinion.
The overwhelming emotion for the game in India is truly genuine, whereas the same cannot be said for Pakistan. It also seems as if it there is a 'Fake Passion Hype' drive throughout the Pakistan Media to get people on board after years of isolation.
I feel there is a greater passion for Pakistan Cricket amongst UK & USA based Pakistanis than there currently is in Pakistan.

In the past he's expressed his desire to play in IPL (some years after his first season in 08) and wasn't happy with the exclusion of Pakistan players.

All fair points from him ^ but now he looks stupid because now he's saying he never wanted to play IPL and he wouldn't participate if offered to do so, which we know isn't true.

Also look at the difference in how he's going about this since the tournament in Switzerland with Indian players (and their fans) and now with all these political statements.

Unfortunately like Waqar Younis it seems like many of our fellow Pakistanis have inherited this gene of having a big mouth and chatting crap out of their a$$. Some of the PPers are no different either.

The second part is true, he can change his mind can he not?

If you want to talk about cricketers talking crap, have a read of SRT's autobiography.

If you want to talk about cricketers talking crap, have a read of SRT's autobiography.

It isn't true because he plays with Indian players in other leagues like T10, Switzerland one and etc. All he cares about is the money in his bank account and there's nothing wrong about that but on that basis to act as if he would turn down a 7 figure IPL contract for 6-8 weeks cricket just makes him look jealous if anything.

As for SRT's autobiography is this a reference to the Harbhajan Singh monkeygate incident?

It isn't true because he plays with Indian players in other leagues like T10, Switzerland one and etc. All he cares about is the money in his bank account and there's nothing wrong about that but on that basis to act as if he would turn down a 7 figure IPL contract for 6-8 weeks cricket just makes him look jealous if anything.

As for SRT's autobiography is this a reference to the Harbhajan Singh monkeygate incident?

Of course nothing wrong with caring about money in the bank, after all it is money that attracts players to the IPL, but sometimes money is not everything. You would like to think he is jealous, but Afridi most likely makes more money in 6 to 8 days compared to a 6-8 week stint in the IPL.

Yes I know, the point was that why no Bilateral series, but yes to ICC events. Not that I need to know the answer (because I know it), but simply pointing out the lack of consistency and presence of hypocrisy in both POVs.

Of course nothing wrong with caring about money in the bank, after all it is money that attracts players to the IPL, but sometimes money is not everything. You would like to think he is jealous, but Afridi most likely makes more money in 6 to 8 days compared to a 6-8 week stint in the IPL.

SRT reference is to ball tampering.

Afridi is a multi millionaire and a majority of his income I imagine would be via sponsers and events with his level of fame of popularity. But we always want more and his exclusion at IPL has come at a potentially 7 figure opportunity cost.

Of course nothing wrong with caring about money in the bank, after all it is money that attracts players to the IPL, but sometimes money is not everything. You would like to think he is jealous, but Afridi most likely makes more money in 6 to 8 days compared to a 6-8 week stint in the IPL.

Of course nothing wrong with caring about money in the bank, after all it is money that attracts players to the IPL, but sometimes money is not everything. You would like to think he is jealous, but Afridi most likely makes more money in 6 to 8 days compared to a 6-8 week stint in the IPL.

SRT reference is to ball tampering.

Given, he turns to every lallu panju leagues to earn some extra dough. I highly doubt he earns enough or he maybe an insolvent person, if he turns up to play a thing as trivial as T10.

So you saying BCCI are forced to play Pakistan in ICC tournaments? That's some irony for richest board in Cricket.

If BCCI has a backbone, they'd man up and not play Pakistan at all, just like in the ICC Test Championship, and the impending WC19 - where I am sure with India being a good side, they can recoup the lost points.

So you saying BCCI are forced to play Pakistan in ICC tournaments? That's some irony for richest board in Cricket.

If BCCI has a backbone, they'd man up and not play Pakistan at all, just like in the ICC Test Championship, and the impending WC19 - where I am sure with India being a good side, they can recoup the lost points.

Not forced. Rather they are sensible enough to not let their bilateral issues affect a icc tournament.

BCCI doesn't want PCB to make money. Since PCB is tightly controlled by Pakistani govt, it's a political move to deprive Pakistan of hundreds of millions of dollars.

As far as ICC tournaments go, there are a few Marquee matchups. Ind vs Pak is the bumper draw. There's also Eng vs AUS, Ind vs AUS, Aus vs NZ, AUS vs SA. The rest of the games don't attract as much attention as these do. BCCI wont be able to claim 400 mil if they say they won't play Pakistan.

Internally if one's inner self is strong, he would not be so dependent on pride gained from useless things like who has a better car, better house, better league, better economy, better country, better religion etc.

It is the nature of geographies that most conflicts happen amongst people closest to you - so India-Pakistan fight, but India and Mexico do not. Mexico will have disputes with its own neighbors.

As long as PSL and IPL bring happiness to billion and a half people, and they do, who cares which one is better or bigger?

"There are a number of franchises that would interest me in the next season of IPL and lets wait and see what happens at the all important auction, but my preferred destinations would be either The Rajasthan Royals or the Kolkatta Knight Riders," Afridi said.

Many Indian PPers talking about our obsession with India should first watch Indian Media reaction on Afridi's normal tweet(Normal in context of human rights violation) . Our Media is WAY BETTER than that crap.
Secondly, Politicians here in Pakistan don't win elections on Anti India Rhetoric. That's an old story now. I don't know about Indian politics though and disagree with Afridi's quote about PSL and IPL.

Internally if one's inner self is strong, he would not be so dependent on pride gained from useless things like who has a better car, better house, better league, better economy, better country, better religion etc.

It is the nature of geographies that most conflicts happen amongst people closest to you - so India-Pakistan fight, but India and Mexico do not. Mexico will have disputes with its own neighbors.

As long as PSL and IPL bring happiness to billion and a half people, and they do, who cares which one is better or bigger?

Internally if one's inner self is strong, he would not be so dependent on pride gained from useless things like who has a better car, better house, better league, better economy, better country, better religion etc.

It is the nature of geographies that most conflicts happen amongst people closest to you - so India-Pakistan fight, but India and Mexico do not. Mexico will have disputes with its own neighbors.

As long as PSL and IPL bring happiness to billion and a half people, and they do, who cares which one is better or bigger?

Good post. Thanks. A lot of threads are becoming mud slinging fests here.

I said Pakistan and India play each other in other sports. Where did I mention other bilateral series?

BCCI would never forfeit points because it would make them look weak as it is. Imagine the backlash in India! BCCI chicken out! There would be an outrage which would make the meltdown from Afridi's tweet look like a love story.

Therefore, PCB continue to force BCCI, meaning, India must play Pakistan in ICC tournaments to save themselves from national disgrace, not the other way round.

IMO- Afridi has been interested in politics for a long time
IMO- He's realised that to be a successful politician one needs to spout nonsense to please the seething masses.

Hence his statements.

This.

I also think Afridi is on to something, perhaps join IK in politics or any other party or create his own. His cricket career is well and truly over (except for Psl). So, best way to make an entrance is to get in the spot light by dissing arch rivals. Anyhow, Afridi like any one else have right to express his opinion no matter how much we Indians disagree with it.

I said Pakistan and India play each other in other sports. Where did I mention other bilateral series?

BCCI would never forfeit points because it would make them look weak as it is. Imagine the backlash in India! BCCI chicken out! There would be an outrage which would make the meltdown from Afridi's tweet look like a love story.

Therefore, PCB continue to force BCCI, meaning, India must play Pakistan in ICC tournaments to save themselves from national disgrace, not the other way round.

Bcci will never forfeit points because that will benefit pcb. Why should they help pcb?

I also think Afridi is on to something, perhaps join IK in politics or any other party or create his own. His cricket career is well and truly over (except for Psl). So, best way to make an entrance is to get in the spot light by dissing arch rivals. Anyhow, Afridi like any one else have right to express his opinion no matter how much we Indians disagree with it.

Precisely.

Let him have his say. Ignore him.

By going into a massive song and dance we have only highlighted his opinion ,whereas the smart thing would have been to ignore it and him totally.

This is an appalling statement that needs to be laughed at from both sides so such sentiments could die. Finally in Pak there is a sense of stability but its still to early, we have wasted the last 20 years whereas India has not and its fastly developing. PSL is in its infancy mode and still has a lot of kinks that need to be sorted out but most importantly it needs a strong Pak economy which is currently being run on loans and aide. We Pakistanis seriously need to introspect and avoid making such statements that are of no benefit.

By going into a massive song and dance we have only highlighted his opinion ,whereas the smart thing would have been to ignore it and him totally.

I also feel we have truly made this Nothing Incident into Front page Headlines. Best way of addressing this issue was ignoring it. They say, best way to deal with troll is not to respond them, sadly our Media didn’t got the Memo.

No, the BCCI stance is no cricket with Pakistan, we even saw this with the Asia Cup 2018 move, BCCI seeking government approval for an ACC comp - which is not even a series! But BCCI are forced to play Pakistan in ICC tournaments in FEAR of public retribution and humiliation because tournaments like the WC and CT are at stake and India cannot be seen surrendering to Pakistan. You know this, I know this, and every man and his dog knows this.

The stance is a desperate, hypocritical, and forced one from the BCCI.

No, the BCCI stance is no cricket with Pakistan, we even saw this with the Asia Cup 2018 move, BCCI seeking government approval for an ACC comp - which is not even a series! But BCCI are forced to play Pakistan in ICC tournaments in FEAR of public retribution and humiliation because tournaments like the WC and CT are at stake and India cannot be seen surrendering to Pakistan. You know this, I know this, and every man and his dog knows this.

The stance is a desperate, hypocritical, and forced one from the BCCI.

I think you may be confusing the Government stance with BCCI's. I think the Government is the one that is laying out the rules. The BCCI must follow, no choice.

If the Govt. says tomorrow that BCCI has to play Pakistan then they have to. If my memory serves me right, something similar happened in 2004.

This is an appalling statement that needs to be laughed at from both sides so such sentiments could die. Finally in Pak there is a sense of stability but its still to early, we have wasted the last 20 years whereas India has not and its fastly developing. PSL is in its infancy mode and still has a lot of kinks that need to be sorted out but most importantly it needs a strong Pak economy which is currently being run on loans and aide. We Pakistanis seriously need to introspect and avoid making such statements that are of no benefit.

That was a jazbaati statement by Afridi when other cricketers like raina and dhawan talk rubbish against our nation i don't blame lala to become jazbaati every Pakistani would, we love this nation more than anything else

Not everything has to be measured. I believe it would be perceived by many as the better tournament. A tournament where the ballers actually have a say and where batsmen have to work really hard to get their runs against tough bowling line ups.

PSL is going to continue to get better as it transitions to more games at home, and thus attracts more crowds. Also consecutive successful PSL finals in Pakistan, World XI tour, and the West Indies tour and more forthcoming tours will convince more players to come to Pakistan.

PSL is a T20 tournament including players from the number 1 ranked T20 team in the world today. The quality of bowlers and youngsters coming through in the PSL I believe is what makes it the best T20 tournament in the world. It's more than just cricket, it's for a good cause, to bring cricket back home and I believe it's played with more passion than anywhere else.

I just hope you understand the difference between the terms "facts" and "opinions".

I just hope you understand the difference between the terms "facts" and "opinions".

And I hope you understand what I am saying. Fact is Pakistan are number 1 ranked T20 team in the world. PSL, thus has players from the best team in the world today. Opinions of fans will vary, and In my opinion it's the best T20 tournament going around.

Now if you think Afridi can't be serious about PSL leaving IPL behind one day, well if you think about the tournament transitioning to more games at home over the next 2 years (with the intention of holding the whole tournament in Pakistan), bigger crowds, and more players are likely to play if we continue to have these successful tours. So, I consider it plausible that Afridi expects that in time it could leave IPL behind.

"People don't make good Anchors. They change. The people here are going to change."

1) India not playing Pakistan in a multilateral tournament does not "affect other countries" - rubbish. Did England's boycott of their match against Zimbabwe in 2003 affect any other country?
2) The only country it does affect is India, which you admitted immediately after.
3) With this admission, you're also confessing that whatever imaginary moral feat India achieves by refusing to play Pakistan in bilaterals (other than, of course, serving the ego of its braindead populace for cheap political mileage) is FAR less important than "free points" in contests of grown men playing with a ball.

It was amusing initially seeing you embarrass yourself with this inherently contradictory argument, but reading it again and again is disturbing - much like spotting someone picking their nose may be amusing at first, but seeing them thrusting their fingers into their nostrils all the time and bleeding profusely from it is not.

1) India not playing Pakistan in a multilateral tournament does not "affect other countries" - rubbish. Did England's boycott of their match against Zimbabwe in 2003 affect any other country?
2) The only country it does affect is India, which you admitted immediately after.
3) With this admission, you're also confessing that whatever imaginary moral feat India achieves by refusing to play Pakistan in bilaterals (other than, of course, serving the ego of its braindead populace for cheap political mileage) is FAR less important than "free points" in contests of grown men playing with a ball.

It was amusing initially seeing you embarrass yourself with this inherently contradictory argument, but reading it again and again is disturbing - much like spotting someone picking their nose may be amusing at first, but seeing them thrusting their fingers into their nostrils all the time and bleeding profusely from it is not.

Zimbabwe in one of the Minnows hence giving points to them didn’t affect other teams. Pakistan is better than Zimbabwe, why giving away two points to increase their chance of getting in to next round. Seriously? we want to hurt pak, not help their chance of winning the trophy.

1) India not playing Pakistan in a multilateral tournament does not "affect other countries" - rubbish. Did England's boycott of their match against Zimbabwe in 2003 affect any other country?
2) The only country it does affect is India, which you admitted immediately after.
3) With this admission, you're also confessing that whatever imaginary moral feat India achieves by refusing to play Pakistan in bilaterals (other than, of course, serving the ego of its braindead populace for cheap political mileage) is FAR less important than "free points" in contests of grown men playing with a ball.

It was amusing initially seeing you embarrass yourself with this inherently contradictory argument, but reading it again and again is disturbing - much like spotting someone picking their nose may be amusing at first, but seeing them thrusting their fingers into their nostrils all the time and bleeding profusely from it is not.

1. It affects other countries if they get knocked out of the tournament because India gifted 2 points to Pakistan on a platter.

2. Ofcourse if affects India, why should we help Pakistan.

3.Moral victory? Sir its more about Pakistan not making money from Indians.

There is nothing contradictory. The point is simple, devoid Pakistan of any monetary benefits from India, but make sure no one else is affected.

I don’t think people seem to grasp a simple sentiment, India and Indians don’t want Pakistan to make any money because of India.

Trust me, Pakistanis have grasped that idea...just can't stand Indians use excuses like 'GoI hasn't issued clearance' and 'our hands are tied'. We would respect Indian fans and BCCI more if you guys had the courage and said this is why we aren't playing....BCCI snaked Pakistan to vote in favor of the Big 3 for bilateral series...Pakistan does not demand additional series with India...we just want either the series that were promised to us or the money we lost because of it....simple.

Trust me, Pakistanis have grasped that idea...just can't stand Indians use excuses like 'GoI hasn't issued clearance' and 'our hands are tied'. We would respect Indian fans and BCCI more if you guys had the courage and said this is why we aren't playing....BCCI snaked Pakistan to vote in favor of the Big 3 for bilateral series...Pakistan does not demand additional series with India...we just want either the series that were promised to us or the money we lost because of it....simple.

Trust me, Pakistanis have grasped that idea...just can't stand Indians use excuses like 'GoI hasn't issued clearance' and 'our hands are tied'. We would respect Indian fans and BCCI more if you guys had the courage and said this is why we aren't playing....BCCI snaked Pakistan to vote in favor of the Big 3 for bilateral series...Pakistan does not demand additional series with India...we just want either the series that were promised to us or the money we lost because of it....simple.

Big 3 no longer exist and cause of that we also losing $170M from deal that was signed under Big 3. Now, Who will pay our loss? PCB?

Big 3 no longer exists so does any agreement/MOU that was signed during Big 3. You cant have it both ways.

Trust me, Pakistanis have grasped that idea...just can't stand Indians use excuses like 'GoI hasn't issued clearance' and 'our hands are tied'. We would respect Indian fans and BCCI more if you guys had the courage and said this is why we aren't playing....BCCI snaked Pakistan to vote in favor of the Big 3 for bilateral series...Pakistan does not demand additional series with India...we just want either the series that were promised to us or the money we lost because of it....simple.

Yeh i dont see why every pak posters keep making a stupid point about promised series

1- its not proved bcci actually signed it
2-if as u say pak promised vote in return of series , they abstrained and thus making deal void
3-if u actually see that piece of paper pcb presented it says" this series will be subject to govt clearance" and GOI officially said no bilaterals with pak so deal is null
4-that paper also said tour will be first put in FTP then series will be arranged ,which was never done
5-so ur imposing PCB is stupid enough of making loss of broadcaster right deal without finalising of series and match venues?(loss is made when u loose what u have-"losing probable profit is lose of opportunity not a lose") Simply stupid
6- its not an MOU coz professional MOUs have legal standing grounds and conditions incase tour doesnt happen "which this clearly doesnt have" so even that makes bcci not bound by anything

Its like a kid saying "gimme candy ill give u 2 rupee" and shopkeepers denies him candy and asks for promised 2 rupee.

Yeh i dont see why every pak posters keep making a stupid point about promised series

1- its not proved bcci actually signed it
2-if as u say pak promised vote in return of series , they abstrained and thus making deal void
3-if u actually see that piece of paper pcb presented it says" this series will be subject to govt clearance" and GOI officially said no bilaterals with pak so deal is null
4-that paper also said tour will be first put in FTP then series will be arranged ,which was never done
5-so ur imposing PCB is stupid enough of making loss of broadcaster right deal without finalising of series and match venues?(loss is made when u loose what u have-"losing probable profit is lose of opportunity not a lose") Simply stupid
6- its not an MOU coz professional MOUs have legal standing grounds and conditions incase tour doesnt happen "which this clearly doesnt have" so even that makes bcci not bound by anything

Its like a kid saying "gimme candy ill give u 2 rupee" and shopkeepers denies him candy and asks for promised 2 rupee.

Hope before u make point of peomised series u see my above points

wait, are you saying BCCI never signed the MOU?Or is Pakistan making it all up?

Im not saying pak made it up but we can agree both of them signed if both parties "PCB" n "BCCI" claim they signed ,in this case bcci says they didnt and also the MOU isnt really appealing thus im just pointing the facts out

Besides i also made other points in case it is true may be u can also discuss it

I mean what do people honestly want? their cricketers to NOT support their own league, NOT generate hype, NOT be optimistic? Yeah I think Afridi's statement is as incorrect as anyone does, but I appreciate him backing the league, that's what we all need to do. Saying IPL is untouchable won't make PSL better, aiming as high as possible will only help. People honestly just need a reason to moan.

I mean what do people honestly want? their cricketers to NOT support their own league, NOT generate hype, NOT be optimistic? Yeah I think Afridi's statement is as incorrect as anyone does, but I appreciate him backing the league, that's what we all need to do. Saying IPL is untouchable won't make PSL better, aiming as high as possible will only help. People honestly just need a reason to moan.

Not necessary you have to be delusional and make statement like PSL will leave behind IPL. Single player is making what entire league is making per year. Yes I am talking about money. Money is the main reason for these leagues, you need to pay money to make top talent play for you, you need to bring the overseas talent to play in your country. Otherwise even IPL rejects won’t be ready to play for you. They are not doing social service to entertain your country fans and your board to make millions.

Not necessary you have to be delusional and make statement like PSL will leave behind IPL. Single player is making what entire league is making per year. Yes I am talking about money. Money is the main reason for these leagues, you need to pay money to make top talent play for you, you need to bring the overseas talent to play in your country. Otherwise even IPL rejects won’t be ready to play for you. They are not doing social service to entertain your country fans and your board to make millions.

Like I said, moaning for the sake of moaning. Not one thing Afridi said would change anything that you just stated, but we all just have to overreact and circlejerk the IPL despite everyone knowing it's ahead of the rest as of now by a mile. You have to aim to reach that level, if you don't, that's lack of ambition.

Like I said, moaning for the sake of moaning. Not one thing Afridi said would change anything that you just stated, but we all just have to overreact and circlejerk the IPL despite everyone knowing it's ahead of the rest as of now by a mile. You have to aim to reach that level, if you don't, that's lack of ambition.

Nobody is moaning. Not even a single response from anyone from IPL or indian players for this comment from Afridi and from waqar. Indian fans like me and other few only ridiculing him for his weird comments. That's why we have these forums.

For me it's kinda sad. Afridi has been the one Pakistani player that's constantly been advocating playing cricket with India; he has even gone as far as making statements that have generated anger in Pakistan due their India-bias. If that peacenik has now come to the point of making jingoistic statements like this, I seriously worry about India-Pakistan ties in general and cricket ties in particular.

I actually think we're gonna see a gap similar to 1965-1977 in terms of cricket between the countries. And the only loser in cricket.

Afridi was asked on a TV show about claims by Indian media and celebrities that his comments in relation to Kashmir were because he and other Pakistani players can't play in the IPL so this was his response.

Shahid Afridi "Even if they call me, I won't go to the IPL. My PSL is the biggest and there will be a time that it leaves the IPL behind. I am enjoying the PSL, I don't have any need for the IPL. I'm not interested in it and never was" #Cricket

I seriously don't care if PSL becomes the greatest league known to mankind. It will not deter players from playing in various leagues in the world. Having the best league et all is just for chest thumping that's all. Players playing in these leagues don't care about anything but money. Indian and Pakistan fringe players will have more to gain from these leagues as they would like to impress their franchise as well as the selectors but the established players are here only for money. Whichever way you look at it. None of these players have any affiliation or connection to the franchise's they represent.

I can see your point but this is not strictly accurate. The psl is open to anybody but the Indian players tend to stick to only ipl. Plus there are about 20 elite players in the ipl but the rest are international fringe players playing alongside Indian current and fringe players. Yes money and exposure is a huge draw but profits for the franchises is the biggest marketing advert you can have.

I think in time as the psl grows and becomes more profitable esp as more matches are played in pak which costs much less than UAE and has greater crowd attendance and attracts more advertising money it will inevitably attract the second tier of elite players competing alongside Pakistani players.

Do not underestimate the importance of playing on foreign soils. All international players want to prove that they are adept at handling pressure situations in foreign conditions. Moreover the English lions specifically seek out training in uae and Sri Lanka just to equip their players with those extra skills required for subcontinent. But they lack the pressure and drama that T20 leagues demand.

So take out the top elite 20 and the lowest rung of international trainees and you still are left with around 100 or so fringe players that will wish to experience the subcontinent and the PSL IN PAKISTAN as it gets safer will be a very attractive option.