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Reference Systems for Josephus

The BibleWorks Josephus modules use the Loeb Classical Library reference system for Josephus. However, you may at time run across references to Josephus using the reference system in Whiston's English translation. I have attached a zip folder containing notes files for Josephus that coordinate these two reference systems for easy cross referencing. Simply unzip the files to your bibleworks8\notes directory.

The BibleWorks Josephus modules use the Loeb Classical Library reference system for Josephus. However, you may at time run across references to Josephus using the reference system in Whiston's English translation. I have attached a zip folder containing notes files for Josephus that coordinate these two reference systems for easy cross referencing. Simply unzip the files to your bibleworks8\notes directory.

Andrew Steinmann

Hi there Andrew. Do you mind if I post this to the unofficial BibleWorks blog?

Two corrections to the Josephus notes file

When I went to look up a reference to Life of Flavius Josephus I discovered that only the first half of the Whiston-Loeb cross-references were in the chapter note. Attached is a file with the second half. To use it, unzip and copy it into the bottom of Lif1.bww in you notes folder. (I zipped it because the forum manager won't accept .bww or .rtf attachments)

Also, Ant 6 has a typo; the last line of the note should be
"6:378 6:14:9"
instead of
"6:338 6:14:9"

On a related matter, for the last few verses of both Ant 17 and Ant 19 JOE and JOS are out of sync, with a different number of verses. As near as I can tell, as a non-Greek-reader, the versification in JOE is a bit off.

One last Josephus comment:
I was surprised to see in BW9 help "6 What's New in BibleWorks 9", under "New Bible Versions":
"22. Loeb Classical Edition versification for Josephus"
I exported JOE from both BW7 and BW9 and compared them with Kdiff3; they compared equal.

One last Josephus comment:
I was surprised to see in BW9 help "6 What's New in BibleWorks 9", under "New Bible Versions":
"22. Loeb Classical Edition versification for Josephus"
I exported JOE from both BW7 and BW9 and compared them with Kdiff3; they compared equal.

Near as I can tell, what the BW people meant is that BW9 ships with an HTML file that charts the comparison between the two versification schemes. In the menu system it's under Resources | Backgrounds | Key to Reference Systems for Josephus. So I think you are correct that there was no change to the Josephus versions themselves. Theoretically, I suppose they could have added a complete second set of Josephus files whose content was identical but that was divided into the different versification. Then there would be one version following the Whiston scheme and one following the Loeb scheme.

Thanks to Jim W. for finishing off the Whiston-Loeb chart for Josephus' Life.
The HTML file which is new for BW9 is in fact the same file which Andrew Steinmann made available as a .bww file, the one which Jim W. has now corrected. I'll send an e-mail to the BW staff to incorporate your corrections into their HTML file. Thanks again.
Mark Eddy

Near as I can tell, what the BW people meant is that BW9 ships with an HTML file that charts the comparison between the two versification schemes. In the menu system it's under Resources | Backgrounds | Key to Reference Systems for Josephus.

Thanks for the reminder, Michael. I now remember seeing that when BW9 first came out. Revisiting the HTML file, I find the Chapter Notes form much easier to use (and easier to find -- nowhere in the BW9 Help is it mentioned, and in the Resources menu Josephus is the last word of the entry, rather than the first. I missed it the first several times I looked at the menu list).

The HTML file which is new for BW9 is in fact the same file which Andrew Steinmann made available as a .bww file, the one which Jim W. has now corrected. I'll send an e-mail to the BW staff to incorporate your corrections into their HTML file.
Mark Eddy

Thanks, Mark. I assume you also included the typo correction to Ant 6.
I would appreciate if you, or someone else comfortable with Greek, would let the folks at BW know where the Loeb numbers should be in JOE for Ant 17 and Ant 19, where at the end of each JOS has more verses than JOE. When I point out database problems to BW I try to include the correction; in this case I'm not able to do that.