Side Action (pay @ registration):$5 in cash CTPS (some divisional, some all division) + $5 ace fund there will also be some free CTPs that are included with entry .... and the ladder for the long putt on #12

Raffle:tix are $1 each, get as many as you want, will draw them after Rd 2. At least 20 separate raffle items, so definitely plan on getting some raffle tickets.

UPDATED Schedule Check-in: 7:45 - 8:45amTry to have baskets out by 8:30amPlayers Meeting: 9:00am1st Round Tee-off: ~9:30amLunch: 1 hour from last card2nd Round Tee-off: ~1:30pmShould be finished by 4:30. Looking for help with scores to expedite payouts, let me know if you can help.

If you haven't played this before, be warned that we use an atypical payout. Payout comes in a fat players pack, big CTPs on most holes, sweet trophies and a killer lunch. All of the entry fee that's left over after the players pack items funds our donation. Most of the CTPs come from local businesses kicking in merchandise or gift certificates -- if you know anybody that owns/runs a local business that is interested in kicking in a prize as a donation, talk to them -- it will make the event better.

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This is an Ice Bowl charitable event. All proceeds will benefit the Sullivan Center, a 501(c)(3) organization located 2 blocks from Perkerson Park whose mission is fighting homelessness. The Sullivan Center

Last year we ranked 33rd out of 190 Ice Bowl events in $$ raised with a $1,727 donation. Looking to better that this year .... so please hit up your company for a donation -- either as cash/product direct donation to Sullivan Center, or as prizes for participants. In addition to $$, the Sullivan Center needs toys, office supplies, food for the food pantry and ikea computer tables.

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Sponsorship Options:Cash donations are tax deductible as they go straight to the 501(c)(3) charity

I also have quite a few bags of clothes being mine my wifes and kids stuff we can donate.Im sure PUBLIX will hook it up no doubt.My father in-laws Company T.I.T.S & ASS. (Tokash Income Tax Services and Associates)may donate.This will be my first time playing the perk look forward to it.

Sweet, will give the clothes to goodwill and donate the toys to these guys! We are forcing our daughter to go through her stuff and get rid of things that are no longer in her age bracket so there should be a TON.

I think an Int. player is looking to get better. They have decided that they are not a Rec. player anymore but still not consitent enough to hang w/ the Pros or Avd.(faux pros)So, wouldn't it make sense to play 1 long then 1 short.If of course the pad selection allows for a round rating?With at least w/ 1 round played from the tips they could compare the round to what they strive to be----A BETTER Disc GolferThen they leave on a shorter set-up. Giving them a some sense of comprehension of the game...

I think that the Int players will have fun playing from the long tees.

I do want to offer a second definition of an intermediate player to go along with JZP,s example.

"An Int. player is looking to get better. They have decided that they are not a Rec. player anymore but still not "able to throw the distance" enough to hang w/ the Pros or Avd."

The difference is some Int. have more consistency than distance. A good example would be me at ERP vs. me at Central. Some players can hang with better players in the woods but are exposed in an open fairway. I think this would be more true for Int. payers that learned to play in wooded short courses like Claystone or the Sinks. Likewise, Distance would more likely be a strength to a player who calls JPM or Central their home.

That being said, It should always be nice to see where one would rank when compared to the Pro players. As always, it will be a great event!

I dont care what tees Im playing this ones for charity anyways .One would think a charity unsanctioned event would be a perfect oppurtunity to play with Pros like Mccoy or Dollar just to see how they play their game and implement that into their own.Your destined to get beat badly,but it dont matter cause its un sanctioned and for charity(Were just doing it for the Cause-NoFx).

Oh by the way Ritger I sent you an E-mail for the charity they might even do 3,000 themselves or at least half PUBLIX is big on their charity work.

TomahawkChopper wrote:I dont care what tees Im playing this ones for charity anyways .One would think a charity unsanctioned event would be a perfect oppurtunity to play with Pros like Mccoy or Dollar just to see how they play their game and implement that into their own.Your destined to get beat badly,but it dont matter cause its un sanctioned and for charity(Were just doing it for the Cause-NoFx).

Oh by the way Ritger I sent you an E-mail for the charity they might even do 3,000 themselves or at least half PUBLIX is big on their charity work.

Beat by the top pro's??? -or - my ultimate plan to "Shock the World" and take home the Pro Open Trophy and then retire to never throw a disc again and tell that story of how I won over an over!!!

Speakin' the vernacular of the peasantry. Poor little kid, I hope she gets home all right....Professor Marvel

TomahawkChopper wrote:I dont care what tees Im playing this ones for charity anyways .One would think a charity unsanctioned event would be a perfect oppurtunity to play with Pros like Mccoy or Dollar just to see how they play their game and implement that into their own.Your destined to get beat badly,but it dont matter cause its un sanctioned and for charity(Were just doing it for the Cause-NoFx).

Oh by the way Ritger I sent you an E-mail for the charity they might even do 3,000 themselves or at least half PUBLIX is big on their charity work.

TomahawkChopper wrote:I dont care what tees Im playing this ones for charity anyways .One would think a charity unsanctioned event would be a perfect oppurtunity to play with Pros like Mccoy or Dollar just to see how they play their game and implement that into their own.Your destined to get beat badly,but it dont matter cause its un sanctioned and for charity(Were just doing it for the Cause-NoFx).

registration is open, thanks chris. getting some good sponsorships so far this year, i'm thinking we may beat last year's total.

i posted a downloadable/emailable .PDF flyer about sponsoring the event in the top post. looking for local businesses that are interested in supporting the event, either through prize donations or cash donations. shooting for free merch CTPs on every hole. email me for more sponsorship info.

also ... i'll hold players pack discs in order of signup as supplies of the champion plastic molds are limited (~15-20 each). So in the "comments" field when you signup, let me know what you want. If you already signed up, i'll be emailing you to see what you want.

that's a valid point -- i didn't realize superbowl was on that day until I saw Hirsch @ ERP 2 weeks ago...

i think my times are right except that 4:30 is more like end of round 2, not end of payouts. I would definitely expect to be 100% done by 5:30. Game starts @ 6:30ish. But ... I think we could speed it up and shoot for finishing payouts by 4:30 (2 hours to get home).

Maybe sort of a compromise -- instead of 1st round playing all longs, it plays longer, making some of the time consuming holes play off shorts (like #14). I don't want 2 rounds of all shorts, but am game for mix n match if it speeds everything up. I bet we could keep both rounds at 2.5 hours doing that. My initial thought is par 59 layout 1st round (with par 4's on #2, #5, #9 & par 5 #13 .... so #3, 10, 11 & 14 short pads). 2nd round would be almost all short par 55.

9:30 (more like 9:45) start, finish ~12:15 ... 2nd round @ 1:15 (or earlier as nobody has to leave the park) ... finish by 3:45 and paid out by 4:30.

Cha Ching wrote:Heck with the Super Bowl, i wanna play golf, that's why i signed up!

Same here. Unlike Keith who hasn't missed a super bowl since 1970, I have never watched one I've just never cared for football that much myself. I can't think of a better place to be on Super bowl, uh, I mean Ice Bowl Sunday than Perkerson.

i'm in the could care less boat too (as evidenced by my scheduling) ... but i think the par 59 layout 1st round will be the best option. only a few holes will be shorter than otherwise but it'll save 20+ minutes and will still play very tough. those holes have great short-er tees anyways.

anybody that is concerned about time should consider helping out with tourney central ... the more volunteers, the faster everything will move

TomahawkChopper wrote:I dont care what tees Im playing this ones for charity anyways .One would think a charity unsanctioned event would be a perfect oppurtunity to play with Pros like Mccoy or Dollar just to see how they play their game and implement that into their own.Your destined to get beat badly,but it dont matter cause its un sanctioned and for charity(Were just doing it for the Cause-NoFx).

I love playing rounds with the new guys. I usually play with the same ole folks most weekends so a change is always cool, but I'm sorry to say I won't be making it to this one. Courtney is having the baby anytime between now and the week of the ice bowl. So I'm gonna miss the Ice Bowl this year which sucks but I'm anxious to see the little guy. Ritger always does an excellent job with his events at Perk.

i think to facilitate wrapping up the tournament, if everyone who brings baskets has some identifying mark on it (e.g. sticker, sharpie, w/e) then, whatever hole your group ends on, grab the basket, and grab some on the way back to tournament central.

jritger wrote:i'm in the could care less boat too (as evidenced by my scheduling) ... but i think the par 59 layout 1st round will be the best option. only a few holes will be shorter than otherwise but it'll save 20+ minutes and will still play very tough. those holes have great short-er tees anyways.

anybody that is concerned about time should consider helping out with tourney central ... the more volunteers, the faster everything will move

I think that is a good idea with the par 59 course 1st round, and as I ALWAYS do for you and others, I'll help with morning entries, scoring and payout help.

Thanks for the consideration, as I'm a HUGE Super Bowl fan (I've even been to 4 of them) - I will agree that yes most of them stink, but the last few years have had some pretty good ones!

for cash side action i was thinking 25 for open players 15 for advanced 10 for intermediate and 5 for rec players.if a player wanted to play up a division for the side action that would be ok but no playing down a divisions. we could do one cash ctp for anyone who wants to get in on it, i dont know what hole something short and a hole that uses the same tee both rounds ( if there is one). right now with 15 open players the payout wouldnt be to bad considering everyone buys in. If anyone else has any ideas which im sure some of you will shoot them at me.

top post updated with info on side action (CTPs & $$ by division). going to do the distribution of merch a bit differently this year .... i've got a bunch of restaurant gift certificates, bar tabs, a basket & other schwag ... instead of divvying up as CTPs it will all be raffled. Raffle tix will be $1, buy as many as you want.

So, bring some extra $$ to get in on side action & raffle items.

and .... just got word that we got the donated ladder! -- long putt on #12 wins it!

Can we throw off on some other hole for a change? Just a thought. 6 would be good. Esp in the short pin or from the short tee by the building. There is less traffic/children/playground/deeppartofthecreek there. Just sayin'

wait list updated. you may note that there are now 76 people in, we'll have a ghost card group (2 groups will start on 14). the list is subject to change some more as i'm waiting on confirmation from 2 of the people i just let in.

I'm looking for helpers for the following things ... Josh can't make it so I'm really hoping some others can step up & help out:registration (need 2-3 people)course setup day of (need 2 people)scoring (need ~2 people -- keith & jason I've got you both down here)

And -- there will be some setup/cleanup going on Saturday if anyone is interested:@1pm -- creek cleanup & privet hack back ... i'm getting a group of volunteers through park pride, some neighbors & hopefully some DGers@3pm -- setting up OB and marking teepads & basket positions. I could really use some help with this, so if anyone is available please come out, can knock out in 2 hrs with a few people.

I've always thought fivesomes aren't that much slower than foursomes too. Perhaps you should just set the limit at 90 since you are already changing numbers around. Some of us with limited funding had to make sacrifices to enter tournaments early to make sure we get in based on 72 players. I guess it depends on who you are and who you know.

jritger wrote:I'm looking for helpers for the following things ... Josh can't make it so I'm really hoping some others can step up & help out:registration (need 2-3 people) - I usually/always help you with thiscourse setup day of (need 2 people)scoring (need ~2 people -- keith & jason I've got you both down here)

John has already stated he doesn't care about those of us interested in watching the Super Bowl.

I've stated that I don't personally care about the Super Bowl, but i've already compromised with you by shortening the layout in Rd 1 to par 59. Adding a ghost card on #14 will have little to no impact on the round length with #13 playing long. We did the same thing last year; it will have even less impact this year because of the layout. The only impacted group will be the 2nd ones starting on #14, and they'll have the advantage of 4 wind dummies. If you'd like a refund because you're concerned about a potential loss of 5 minutes, please let me know ASAP so I can return your $$.

@ Aaron, the next time you run an event, feel free to run it however you wish. You can have 90 people and all fivesomes, whatever you want. If you're concerned about it slowing you down, maybe you'd like to help out with scoring after rd 2 ... as that's much more likely to impact the finish time.

Big Red wrote:I've always thought fivesomes aren't that much slower than foursomes too. Perhaps you should just set the limit at 90 since you are already changing numbers around. Some of us with limited funding had to make sacrifices to enter tournaments early to make sure we get in based on 72 players. I guess it depends on who you are and who you know.

Isn't this raising money for charity? More people entered = more money for charity.

jritger wrote:Keith, thank you (as always) for offering to help with registration.

John has already stated he doesn't care about those of us interested in watching the Super Bowl.

I've stated that I don't personally care about the Super Bowl, but i've already compromised with you by shortening the layout in Rd 1 to par 59. Adding a ghost card on #14 will have little to no impact on the round length with #13 playing long. We did the same thing last year; it will have even less impact this year because of the layout. The only impacted group will be the 2nd ones starting on #14, and they'll have the advantage of 4 wind dummies. If you'd like a refund because you're concerned about a potential loss of 5 minutes, please let me know ASAP so I can return your $$.

You already know I'll be there no matter what, and I'm just displaying my thoughts. I've been one of your biggest supporters since day 1 and wish that "theP" was only 10 minutes from my home as it is from yours.

I appreciate your thoughts on the course layout, but I hold not even "wildest hopes" thoughts that everything will be wrapped up by 4:30 unless it is 12 degress and raining as then only 30 people will be there like the DEC Event (the only one you've had that I missed while I was at Universal Studios on my free trip in Orlando).

As many of the BAD horrendous rounds as I've had there you think I would learn my lesson, but as your excel spreadsheets stats prove - I play every round just as crappy as the last one no matter how many times or how many different configurations you make there and I don't even get the out of Pro Masters to help cover for my lowly skills.I think this time I'll just use mids and putters and see if I can stay in bounds doing that - it can't be any worse than any of my other rounds and it will make carrying my bag that much easier.

Plus adding another couple of 800 rated rounds to my ratings to go with my rounds from Savannah and I can have have the biggest ratings drop of my career since I tore the tendon in my elbow and I refused to stop playing.

jritger wrote:Keith, thank you (as always) for offering to help with registration.

John has already stated he doesn't care about those of us interested in watching the Super Bowl.

I've stated that I don't personally care about the Super Bowl, but i've already compromised with you by shortening the layout in Rd 1 to par 59. Adding a ghost card on #14 will have little to no impact on the round length with #13 playing long. We did the same thing last year; it will have even less impact this year because of the layout. The only impacted group will be the 2nd ones starting on #14, and they'll have the advantage of 4 wind dummies. If you'd like a refund because you're concerned about a potential loss of 5 minutes, please let me know ASAP so I can return your $$.

@ Aaron, the next time you run an event, feel free to run it however you wish. You can have 90 people and all fivesomes, whatever you want. If you're concerned about it slowing you down, maybe you'd like to help out with scoring after rd 2 ... as that's much more likely to impact the finish time.

Looks like you either missed or ignored my point which had nothing to do with finish time. If you recall I've already stated that I couldn't care less about the super bowl. I'm sorry that I keep forgetting that I'm infected with disc golf leprosy for not running tournaments. Funny that some of the beneficiaries don't run tournaments either but for some reason they aren't critized for that? More irony I guess. Anyway don't worry when I run my own tournament I will keep in mind that I can be as uncouth as I want.

Bootsie wrote:course gonna be set up any earlier in the week for practice?

Bootsie,You do realize that you can NOT play in PDGA Sanctioned events right?You might be out of PDGA Events for 5 years for playing at Savannah while suspended if past histories from the disciplinary committee are any indication.

As State Coordinator I'm asking that you do not put yourself in joepardy of not playing PDGA Events for a long time, or put any TD's of Sanctioned Events in jeopardy of losing their rights to TD Events by trying to play in them while suspended.

does that mean I won't see bootsie in any first rounds this year....cause he aint ever around for the trophy's.....reminds me of my 6 yr old when he doesn't get his way....Sad, Sad, Sad.....you will be missed......your new nickname is AC.....added cash........enjoy your vacation

"Though no one can go back in time and make a brand new start, anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending."

Thanks everyone for playing. Very smooth running this year, it definitely gets easier to run each year. Big thanks to Woody, Keith, Nathan, Wade, Chris & everyone else that helped out. Awesome food Gomez, and thanks Ian for helping cook. Terry from the Sullivan center came out & spoke @ the morning meeting, they seemed really appreciative of what we're doing. It sounded like the publix hookup (thanks Joey T.) worked/helped and they are getting a really big cash donation from that. I'll have our total up soon, is gonna be smaller than the past two years but should get the 3 year total over $5,000.

Bootsie wrote:looks like its time to step up to playing pro with that 870 rating. thats like me shooting a 1060 then following it up with a 1070. congradulations on winning and beating half the pro side.

That will NEVER happen.

You actually have to come back and finish the second round to shoot back to back scores... LOL

Thanx again John,Had a great time though I was told Perkerson was gonna eat me for breakfast by many people especially being my first time on the course.To those of you Im sorry to have disapointed you.I dont ever recall myself crying either oh well maybe next time?Great tournament John,Thanx Gomez and Ian for what was left of lunch after the PROS,And Advanced players got ahold of it .

By the way I finally beat you GOMEZ!!!Rematch at the ERP?Though it always seems to rain when You and Ian have me come out there but its on.

Total amount raised this year = $1,517 ... dropped the check off this morning! Thanks everyone for playing/donating/etc to make this event successful ... we raised almost as much $$ as in the past 2 years despite the recession. 3 year total is $5,200+. @ Joey -- I think the Publix thing worked indirectly as they were already talking to Publix and it sounds like they are making a big cash donation, so thanks much for that.

In other big news, Terry, the head of the Sullivan Center, is fully on board with getting a permanent course in the ground and wants to work with me to make it happen. He has great contacts with city council & the neighborhood and is a huge ally. He's also set on making the ice bowl into a major event in 2011 and beyond and can advertise to ATL corporate contacts. So look for a big event next year. More news on the course status as it comes ... next event @ the park is the Spring Forward Festival on March 27th; see the thread in Q&A forum.

Yeah Terry talked to us while we were waiting to tee off on 18 and seemed really excited about the course and the sport in general. A couple of the guys volunteered to come out and teach kids and he made a similar statement about getting the city behind the course as well.

It worked out good that he was hanging out right there because we brought a big box of toys and books and gave them directly to him.

jritger wrote:Total amount raised this year = $1,517 ... dropped the check off this morning! Thanks everyone for playing/donating/etc to make this event successful ... we raised almost as much $$ as in the past 2 years despite the recession. 3 year total is $5,200+. @ Joey -- I think the Publix thing worked indirectly as they were already talking to Publix and it sounds like they are making a big cash donation, so thanks much for that.

In other big news, Terry, the head of the Sullivan Center, is fully on board with getting a permanent course in the ground and wants to work with me to make it happen. He has great contacts with city council & the neighborhood and is a huge ally. He's also set on making the ice bowl into a major event in 2011 and beyond and can advertise to ATL corporate contacts. So look for a big event next year. More news on the course status as it comes ... next event @ the park is the Spring Forward Festival on March 27th; see the thread in Q&A forum.

Happy to hear and look forward to playing the course more often.Hopefully they do get it permanent cause its a great piece of land for disc golf.