Post subject: question about b12 from a new vegan and new to the ppk forum

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:41 am

Drunk Dialed Ian MacKaye

Joined: Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:13 amPosts: 1808Location: USA

hi everyone. I'm sure this has been posed a bazillion times but since I'm new to PPK I don't know that it has ;)

so b12. I have read 'vegan for life' and it's a great book. I plan to re-read it because the first time around it was a bit overwhelming although it's filled with tons of great info and the authors have a very nice conversational tone. I feel that I eat a healthy vegan diet and a variety of foods and sprinkle nutritional yeast on things when I can ;) Plus my soymilk and cereal are fortified with b12, as are the luna bars I buy (but don't eat daily) and possibly other things too.

Is it 100% necessary to take a b12 supplement? Is it in my best interest just to be on the safe side?

If so, is it best to find just a plain ol' b12 supplement, or is it a better idea to get a vitamin with different kind of b vitamins in it? Also, how important is it to find a "chewable" vitamin for b12 rather than one that you swallow with water? I have an Earth Fare where I live but no Whole Foods or other natural type grocery store where I might could find more "exotic" vitamins. The options for buying vegan vitamins online is a bit overwhelming so if anyone has a good site to recommend to purchase online, that would be appreciated too!

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Post subject: Re: question about b12 from a new vegan and new to the ppk f

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:50 am

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I take a b12 chewable/dissoveable tablet that I get in my local health food shop. I looked up some research before and saw that vegans that generally are deficient when they go without a supplement so I would rather play it on the safe side and take a supplement.

I also take a D vitamin. I'm still using up D3 I got before I went vegan. I take it because there is fairly poor sun here. It is one of those mystical objects that we only hear about in fairy tales.

Post subject: Re: question about b12 from a new vegan and new to the ppk f

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:51 am

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If you don't eat those fortified foods every single day, I'd take a supplement. Pages 32 and 33 of Vegan For Life have a pretty good explanation of how to take B12 supplements and since the book is written by two vegan registered dietitians, you can totally trust their advice. It's definitely overwhelming to try to read the whole book at once as a new vegan, but check out those two pages for specifics on B12 supplementation. You can also buy vitamins online. I buy mine on Amazon for pretty cheap.

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Post subject: Re: question about b12 from a new vegan and new to the ppk f

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:41 am

Brain Made of Raw Seitan

Joined: Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:23 pmPosts: 1212Location: Under a bridge

I would supplement to be on the safe side, for sure. Regarding different types of B12 supplements, there are lots of options besides the swallowable tablets: chewable, sublingual, liquid etc. Supposedly these types (especially sublingual) are absorbed into the body more easily than swallowing a tablet, but I don't really know all the science behind that. I'm sure there's no shortage of information about it on the internet though.

If you can't find the supplements you want locally, try online: iHerb, GNC and Drugstore.com all sell supplements.

Post subject: Re: question about b12 from a new vegan and new to the ppk f

Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 12:24 pm

Drunk Dialed Ian MacKaye

Joined: Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:13 amPosts: 1808Location: USA

thanks everyone, i'm going to check my EarthFare later today (similar to Whole Foods) but I thankfully found some chewable 50 mcg and 100mcg B12 (cyanocobalamin) from Freeda directly on their website. If I can't find what I'm looking for locally I will order online from them.

The "vegan for life" book suggests a daily dose (what I would prefer to do in addition to my fortified foods) of 25 mcg - 100mcg so I'm a bit surprised at a lot of the B12 supplements I'm finding outline for amounts like 250, 500, and other high amounts in mcg......

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As far as what I do, I eat fortified foods (soy or almond milk, nutritional yeast) and sometimes chew fortified gum (stride spark) but I also take a daily multivitamin with B12 (also includes D3, I don't worry about the nonveganness). I've never had my B12 levels tested, but that lab test is notoriously inaccurate and should not be a substitute for supplementing appropriately.

Post subject: Re: question about b12 from a new vegan and new to the ppk f

Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 12:40 pm

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bookwormbethie wrote:

The "vegan for life" book suggests a daily dose (what I would prefer to do in addition to my fortified foods) of 25 mcg - 100mcg so I'm a bit surprised at a lot of the B12 supplements I'm finding outline for amounts like 250, 500, and other high amounts in mcg......

I do think they address this issue in the book--you can either take smaller supplements daily, or larger ones once a week. Check either the book or the links I posted above--not sure what the exact numbers are. B12 is less well absorbed at higher doses, but you can still take the larger ones, it's just that 500mcg will not result in 5 times more vitamin absorbed than 100mcg, for example.

Post subject: Re: question about b12 from a new vegan and new to the ppk f

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:10 pm

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Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2010 10:58 amPosts: 90Location: queens, ny

Beanitarian wrote:

bookwormbethie wrote:

The "vegan for life" book suggests a daily dose (what I would prefer to do in addition to my fortified foods) of 25 mcg - 100mcg so I'm a bit surprised at a lot of the B12 supplements I'm finding outline for amounts like 250, 500, and other high amounts in mcg......

I do think they address this issue in the book--you can either take smaller supplements daily, or larger ones once a week. Check either the book or the links I posted above--not sure what the exact numbers are. B12 is less well absorbed at higher doses, but you can still take the larger ones, it's just that 500mcg will not result in 5 times more vitamin absorbed than 100mcg, for example.

just wanted to put this info here in case anyone else came looking for it:

from Vegan For Life:

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B12 supplements should be either chewable or sublingual (dissolving under the tongue) since research shows that, in some people, B12 isn't well absorbed from pills that are swallowed whole.

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To meet your vitamin B12 requirements on a vegan diet, do any one of the following:- Consume two servings per day of fortified foods providing 1.5 to 2.5 micrograms of vitamin B12 each.- Take a daily vitamin B12 supplement of at least 25 micrograms (25 to 100 micrograms is a good range).- Take a supplement of 1,000 micrograms of vitamin B12 three times a week.

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Post subject: Re: question about b12 from a new vegan and new to the ppk f

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:50 pm

Heart of Vegan Marshmallow

Joined: Tue Nov 09, 2010 12:16 amPosts: 3062Location: SF Bay area

Bump!

I was at the dr. today and asked for a b12 test. Since I've never had my levels checked (veg 10 years but I do take supplements) I figured it might not be a bad idea. The PA told me the only test for b12 is by checking for anemia, which seemed odd to me since I thought I'd read about having actual b12 levels checked. Lo and behold, after a little internetting I found that a low RBC *can* indicate low b12 but you can still be deficient and not show signs of anemia. From the CDC page on B12 deficiency: “the proscription that cobalamin deficiency should not be diagnosed unless megaloblastic changes are found is akin to requiring jaundice to diagnose liver disease.” And yes, there is a test that can detect low serum vitamin B12 levels, even among patients who are not anemic.

Just wanted to share this info with you all in case your health care professional is not in the know. I'm pretty annoyed, especially because she was totally dismissive, acting like I didn't know what I was talking about. Now I'm not sure if I should get my levels checked (i.e., argue with people at the clinic to order the right test) or just forget about it.

Post subject: Re: question about b12 from a new vegan and new to the ppk f

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:51 am

Drunk Dialed Ian MacKaye

Joined: Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:13 amPosts: 1808Location: USA

if you want your b12 levels checked the right way, do it the way you want ;)

i should have gotten that done when i recently got bloodwork done but forgot to ask. my doc is pretty cool so i think she would have ordered it for me. but i've been taking chewable 50mcg of b12 daily since i went vegan a few months ago, so for now, i don't feel i have any need to be overly concerned about my levels. but i do want to remember to ask the next time i need bloodwork done.

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