Not Islam, not terrorism, not the wars, but the ignorance that infects almost all people on all sides of this brewing religious shitstorm. People forming well-entrenched opinions even though they haven't looked at both sides, the Chinese whispers that start in regards to a news story, and people's plain, straight-up refusal to listen to reason, regardless of the source. Also how easily people are swayed by the media. Has anyone else noticed how quickly our reason for invading Iraq changed from "Oh crap they've got WMD's" to "Liberating the Iraqi people"? And no one bats an eyelid, they just soak it up like a sponge, and prepare some more wild patriotism and blind faith in their government, with the image of the twin towers and London bombings burned into their minds.

"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." - John Adams, 2nd US President.

Here in the north west of England, we have a fairly high percentage of muslim folk, have done since the 60's. We've had riots, demonstrations, random beatings and revenge attacks in the street (Of which I myself have been on the recieving end of a couple of times), yet this is nothing compared to what will come unless people start to form some balanced opinions. It's a prime case of ignorance meeting ignorance head on, with everyone else, Muslim and otherwise, in the middle just trying to bloody get on with their lives. We have the chav problem, predominantly whites, who attack people and property for no reason other than prejudice and that they can. I myself lost a very good friend to them, and needless to say these are the epitome of 'Ignorant whites' here.

I have quite a few muslim mates from both school and ones i've made since, and this is what people just don't understand. A lot of them are scared. Scared of the constant media barrage that tars them all with the same brush, scared of how people soak up what they see on TV, scared of the ignorance displayed by both a minority from their culture and some whites, and definately scared of what's coming next. As a result, very few from Britain's Muslim communities are willing to speak out, and this is a crying shame because that is precisely what we need right now: Normal British Muslims standing up and saying "Now hang on a minute, this tool who just blew himself up in no way represents the rest of us", and even if they did, people here are so wrapped up in their own misgivings and prejudice i'm not even sure they'd listen.

The best and most recent examples of ignorance at play on a grand scale are the New York mosque and Quran burning fiascos. There are still many, many people who actually think the plan was to build the mosque on top of the bloody rubble. There are also a lot of folk who firmly believe it's their right to burn the Quran, and don't understand why they're so upset about the prospect of it, and also don't see the ramifications of it. People have already bloody DIED because of it, and none have even been burned!

And at the last, not only is there the ignorance, the willful ignorance here, but there's also the inability to understand why we're being attacked by minority terrorist groups in the first place. You see it every day on forums both here on CR and on various other sites, people saying without a hint of doubt that invading a nation in response to a terrorist attack is justified.

Take the probable causes of the terrorism in the first place, the interference, the meddling, the butting our collective western noses into their business, extortion, gunboat diplomacy and the threat of it, exploitation, not really a small, insignificant list all told. It doesn't warrant killing innocent people over, but welcome to humanity; some of us are dicks. Take that to one side, just put it on the sideboard for a minute. Imagine if ten years ago a group of 20-30 Americans went to Dubai and bombed some religious buildings. Imagine it. Then imagine waking up one morning in your cosy little house in England or the US, looking out your window and seeing Saudi tanks rolling past your house.
Would you be pleased to see them? Would you care that they say they're there to eradicate the subversive cells of extremists and to free you from your oppressive government? Would you?
If you said yes, then you're either painfully naive or lying.

Add to that even more Chinese whispers, and what starts out as an accident turns into a NATO led massacre by the time the news has reached 10 villages away. Add in some ignorance and anger, anger at foreign troops on your streets, anger at western meddling in your affairs, anger that your uncle was accidentally killed by an airstrike. Yeah you're pretty pissed right now, so pissed in fact you take up an AK at the gentle urgings of an extremist Imam and join the 'resistance'. It's human nature, despite what some people may say, to want to defend your home, and this makes you extremely susceptible to persuasion and being coerced into doing things you otherwise wouldn't do.

No one is willing to try and see things from any perspective but their own, and this situation the world is being flung into now is only going to get worse. Afghanistan is unwinnable for the simple reason that we're fighting an endless army. For every accident, for every action, for every month that our troops are over there we simply push more and more impressionable young Muslims all round the world over the threshold into extremism, and contrary to popular belief this war will not make things better, it will only increase the likelihood that you or your children or your friends will be killed on day when you're out shopping by some pissed off, disillusioned young Muslim who was vulnerable to being 'turned'.

And it will be our own fault.

I don't care if you don't follow their religion.
I don't care if you don't understand it.
I don't care if you hate middle eastern bloody cooking or the clothes they wear.
You don't have to do anything other than calm the fuck down. Mohammed in your local gas station is not about to murder your children, he's just a dude trying to get on with his life, same as you. We can't help who we're born as, but we can change who we become. No matter your race, colour or creed, people are just people. We're good, bad, and most often, somewhere in between. People the world over need to grow some perspective or remove themselves from everyone elses affairs entirely, otherwise we're all going to find ourselves in a world of shit, far, far sooner than we think.

Not Islam, not terrorism, not the wars, but the ignorance that infects almost all people on all sides of this brewing religious shitstorm. People forming well-entrenched opinions even though they haven't looked at both sides, the Chinese whispers that start in regards to a news story, and people's plain, straight-up refusal to listen to reason, regardless of the source. Also how easily people are swayed by the media. Has anyone else noticed how quickly our reason for invading Iraq changed from "Oh crap they've got WMD's" to "Liberating the Iraqi people"? And no one bats an eyelid, they just soak it up like a sponge, and prepare some more wild patriotism and blind faith in their government, with the image of the twin towers and London bombings burned into their minds.

"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." - John Adams, 2nd US President.

Here in the north west of England, we have a fairly high percentage of muslim folk, have done since the 60's. We've had riots, demonstrations, random beatings and revenge attacks in the street (Of which I myself have been on the recieving end of a couple of times), yet this is nothing compared to what will come unless people start to form some balanced opinions. It's a prime case of ignorance meeting ignorance head on, with everyone else, Muslim and otherwise, in the middle just trying to bloody get on with their lives. We have the chav problem, predominantly whites, who attack people and property for no reason other than prejudice and that they can. I myself lost a very good friend to them, and needless to say these are the epitome of 'Ignorant whites' here.

I have quite a few muslim mates from both school and ones i've made since, and this is what people just don't understand. A lot of them are scared. Scared of the constant media barrage that tars them all with the same brush, scared of how people soak up what they see on TV, scared of the ignorance displayed by both a minority from their culture and some whites, and definately scared of what's coming next. As a result, very few from Britain's Muslim communities are willing to speak out, and this is a crying shame because that is precisely what we need right now: Normal British Muslims standing up and saying "Now hang on a minute, this tool who just blew himself up in no way represents the rest of us", and even if they did, people here are so wrapped up in their own misgivings and prejudice i'm not even sure they'd listen.

The best and most recent examples of ignorance at play on a grand scale are the New York mosque and Quran burning fiascos. There are still many, many people who actually think the plan was to build the mosque on top of the bloody rubble. There are also a lot of folk who firmly believe it's their right to burn the Quran, and don't understand why they're so upset about the prospect of it, and also don't see the ramifications of it. People have already bloody DIED because of it, and none have even been burned!

And at the last, not only is there the ignorance, the willful ignorance here, but there's also the inability to understand why we're being attacked by minority terrorist groups in the first place. You see it every day on forums both here on CR and on various other sites, people saying without a hint of doubt that invading a nation in response to a terrorist attack is justified.

Take the probable causes of the terrorism in the first place, the interference, the meddling, the butting our collective western noses into their business, extortion, gunboat diplomacy and the threat of it, exploitation, not really a small, insignificant list all told. It doesn't warrant killing innocent people over, but welcome to humanity; some of us are dicks. Take that to one side, just put it on the sideboard for a minute. Imagine if ten years ago a group of 20-30 Americans went to Dubai and bombed some religious buildings. Imagine it. Then imagine waking up one morning in your cosy little house in England or the US, looking out your window and seeing Saudi tanks rolling past your house.
Would you be pleased to see them? Would you care that they say they're there to eradicate the subversive cells of extremists and to free you from your oppressive government? Would you?
If you said yes, then you're either painfully naive or lying.

Add to that even more Chinese whispers, and what starts out as an accident turns into a NATO led massacre by the time the news has reached 10 villages away. Add in some ignorance and anger, anger at foreign troops on your streets, anger at western meddling in your affairs, anger that your uncle was accidentally killed by an airstrike. Yeah you're pretty pissed right now, so pissed in fact you take up an AK at the gentle urgings of an extremist Imam and join the 'resistance'. It's human nature, despite what some people may say, to want to defend your home, and this makes you extremely susceptible to persuasion and being coerced into doing things you otherwise wouldn't do.

No one is willing to try and see things from any perspective but their own, and this situation the world is being flung into now is only going to get worse. Afghanistan is unwinnable for the simple reason that we're fighting an endless army. For every accident, for every action, for every month that our troops are over there we simply push more and more impressionable young Muslims all round the world over the threshold into extremism, and contrary to popular belief this war will not make things better, it will only increase the likelihood that you or your children or your friends will be killed on day when you're out shopping by some pissed off, disillusioned young Muslim who was vulnerable to being 'turned'.

And it will be our own fault.

I don't care if you don't follow their religion.
I don't care if you don't understand it.
I don't care if you hate middle eastern bloody cooking or the clothes they wear.
You don't have to do anything other than calm the fuck down. Mohammed in your local gas station is not about to murder your children, he's just a dude trying to get on with his life, same as you. We can't help who we're born as, but we can change who we become. No matter your race, colour or creed, people are just people. We're good, bad, and most often, somewhere in between. People the world over need to grow some perspective or remove themselves from everyone elses affairs entirely, otherwise we're all going to find ourselves in a world of shit, far, far sooner than we think.

Your the one who has failed human nature 101, you live in some magical fantasy land where its human nature to care about each other and where every one gets alone and helps each other out regardless of anything.

That may be in your own little world. But in reality where I live, human nature consists of the following

War, Hate, Greed, Discrimination, Exploitation, Intolerance. ect.

Its human nature to pick on and beat up and exploit the weak. You see it every day at school, bullies.
Its human nature to fight over things.

Your the one who has failed human nature 101, you live in some magical fantasy land where its human nature to care about each other and where every one gets alone and helps each other out regardless of anything.

That may be in your own little world. But in reality where I live, human nature consists of the following

War, Hate, Greed, Discrimination, Exploitation, Intolerance. ect.

Its human nature to pick on and beat up and exploit the weak. You see it every day at school, bullies.
Its human nature to fight over things.

All of those are fundamental human nature.

It's also human nature to resist all those things, Love altruism, self sacrifice , tolerance and acceptance etc. are ALSO human nature.

Wow, although the CR forum generally have the same old people, sometimes someone new comes in and blows everyone away. Thumbs up to your post for your heartfelt response.

Regarding this war in Afghanistan, its regretful but either action, whether leaving or staying will be uneventful. There are worries about Pakistan as well.
PS: What do you mean when you type in Chinese whispers?

The Chinese Whisper Phenomenon

The phenomenon known as chinese whispers stems from the game of the same name (see below). When passing information from one party to another (usually verbally) the facts and theme often become distorted. A common example of this is seen in rumors and neighbourhood gossip. Likewise, information passed by email is often altered, as is information that is overheard by people. Safety warnings can turn into scares, jokes into facts and dramas into crisis'.

Wow, although the CR forum generally have the same old people, sometimes someone new comes in and blows everyone away. Thumbs up to your post for your heartfelt response.

Regarding this war in Afghanistan, its regretful but either action, whether leaving or staying will be uneventful. There are worries about Pakistan as well.
PS: What do you mean when you type in Chinese whispers?

The Chinese Whisper Phenomenon

The phenomenon known as chinese whispers stems from the game of the same name (see below). When passing information from one party to another (usually verbally) the facts and theme often become distorted. A common example of this is seen in rumors and neighbourhood gossip. Likewise, information passed by email is often altered, as is information that is overheard by people. Safety warnings can turn into scares, jokes into facts and dramas into crisis'.

Ah when I was a kid we used to call that game 'Telephone'

Yeah I was just asking an American mate of mine about that, he said it was often called the 'Telephone game' over there. Over here where I'm from it's always been called Chinese whispers. I just assumed it would be known as the same thing.

Sorry for the confusion folks, I should have double checked that first

Yeah I was just asking an American mate of mine about that, he said it was often called the 'Telephone game' over there. Over here where I'm from it's always been called Chinese whispers. I just assumed it would be known as the same thing.

Sorry for the confusion folks, I should have double checked that first

No problem I congratulate you on an eloquent and well said argument for peace and tolerance. I didn't agree 100% with every particular but your language and logic were impeccable and your sentiment admirable.

Not Islam, not terrorism, not the wars, but the ignorance that infects almost all people on all sides of this brewing religious shitstorm. People forming well-entrenched opinions even though they haven't looked at both sides, the Chinese whispers that start in regards to a news story, and people's plain, straight-up refusal to listen to reason, regardless of the source. Also how easily people are swayed by the media. Has anyone else noticed how quickly our reason for invading Iraq changed from "Oh crap they've got WMD's" to "Liberating the Iraqi people"? And no one bats an eyelid, they just soak it up like a sponge, and prepare some more wild patriotism and blind faith in their government, with the image of the twin towers and London bombings burned into their minds.

"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." - John Adams, 2nd US President.

Here in the north west of England, we have a fairly high percentage of muslim folk, have done since the 60's. We've had riots, demonstrations, random beatings and revenge attacks in the street (Of which I myself have been on the recieving end of a couple of times), yet this is nothing compared to what will come unless people start to form some balanced opinions. It's a prime case of ignorance meeting ignorance head on, with everyone else, Muslim and otherwise, in the middle just trying to bloody get on with their lives. We have the chav problem, predominantly whites, who attack people and property for no reason other than prejudice and that they can. I myself lost a very good friend to them, and needless to say these are the epitome of 'Ignorant whites' here.

I have quite a few muslim mates from both school and ones i've made since, and this is what people just don't understand. A lot of them are scared. Scared of the constant media barrage that tars them all with the same brush, scared of how people soak up what they see on TV, scared of the ignorance displayed by both a minority from their culture and some whites, and definately scared of what's coming next. As a result, very few from Britain's Muslim communities are willing to speak out, and this is a crying shame because that is precisely what we need right now: Normal British Muslims standing up and saying "Now hang on a minute, this tool who just blew himself up in no way represents the rest of us", and even if they did, people here are so wrapped up in their own misgivings and prejudice i'm not even sure they'd listen.

The best and most recent examples of ignorance at play on a grand scale are the New York mosque and Quran burning fiascos. There are still many, many people who actually think the plan was to build the mosque on top of the bloody rubble. There are also a lot of folk who firmly believe it's their right to burn the Quran, and don't understand why they're so upset about the prospect of it, and also don't see the ramifications of it. People have already bloody DIED because of it, and none have even been burned!

And at the last, not only is there the ignorance, the willful ignorance here, but there's also the inability to understand why we're being attacked by minority terrorist groups in the first place. You see it every day on forums both here on CR and on various other sites, people saying without a hint of doubt that invading a nation in response to a terrorist attack is justified.

Take the probable causes of the terrorism in the first place, the interference, the meddling, the butting our collective western noses into their business, extortion, gunboat diplomacy and the threat of it, exploitation, not really a small, insignificant list all told. It doesn't warrant killing innocent people over, but welcome to humanity; some of us are dicks. Take that to one side, just put it on the sideboard for a minute. Imagine if ten years ago a group of 20-30 Americans went to Dubai and bombed some religious buildings. Imagine it. Then imagine waking up one morning in your cosy little house in England or the US, looking out your window and seeing Saudi tanks rolling past your house.
Would you be pleased to see them? Would you care that they say they're there to eradicate the subversive cells of extremists and to free you from your oppressive government? Would you?
If you said yes, then you're either painfully naive or lying.

Add to that even more Chinese whispers, and what starts out as an accident turns into a NATO led massacre by the time the news has reached 10 villages away. Add in some ignorance and anger, anger at foreign troops on your streets, anger at western meddling in your affairs, anger that your uncle was accidentally killed by an airstrike. Yeah you're pretty pissed right now, so pissed in fact you take up an AK at the gentle urgings of an extremist Imam and join the 'resistance'. It's human nature, despite what some people may say, to want to defend your home, and this makes you extremely susceptible to persuasion and being coerced into doing things you otherwise wouldn't do.

No one is willing to try and see things from any perspective but their own, and this situation the world is being flung into now is only going to get worse. Afghanistan is unwinnable for the simple reason that we're fighting an endless army. For every accident, for every action, for every month that our troops are over there we simply push more and more impressionable young Muslims all round the world over the threshold into extremism, and contrary to popular belief this war will not make things better, it will only increase the likelihood that you or your children or your friends will be killed on day when you're out shopping by some pissed off, disillusioned young Muslim who was vulnerable to being 'turned'.

And it will be our own fault.

I don't care if you don't follow their religion.
I don't care if you don't understand it.
I don't care if you hate middle eastern bloody cooking or the clothes they wear.
You don't have to do anything other than calm the fuck down. Mohammed in your local gas station is not about to murder your children, he's just a dude trying to get on with his life, same as you. We can't help who we're born as, but we can change who we become. No matter your race, colour or creed, people are just people. We're good, bad, and most often, somewhere in between. People the world over need to grow some perspective or remove themselves from everyone elses affairs entirely, otherwise we're all going to find ourselves in a world of shit, far, far sooner than we think.

Your the one who has failed human nature 101, you live in some magical fantasy land where its human nature to care about each other and where every one gets alone and helps each other out regardless of anything.

That may be in your own little world. But in reality where I live, human nature consists of the following

War, Hate, Greed, Discrimination, Exploitation, Intolerance. ect.

Its human nature to pick on and beat up and exploit the weak. You see it every day at school, bullies.
Its human nature to fight over things.

All of those are fundamental human nature.

So do onto other what you wanted to be done to yourself, aka the morality of tit-for-tat in natural science, due to the discovery of the mirror neurons in human cognitive science. When it's only those who are weak and powerless would wage war, hate, discriminate, and exploit those who are equally greedy and intolerable. While they're lusting and claiming about an unrealistic sense of power, entitlement, and superiority, that none of them will ever achieve. Because they never had the power to stop themselves in the first place. QED.

Besides, how could you manage to give up whatever that you never had? Whereas I OTOH am willing to demonstrate that I have the power in the first place, by myself empowering others with whatever that I already have.

Logic trumps illogic, while compassion trumps all logics. That's the real power of an enlighten and altruistic mindset.

So you tell me, just between the two of us, who has the real power over the human society as a whole? Your viewpoint that doesn't consist of mine, or mine that encompasses yours.

Well then my logic is base on history and why and how wars start. I may be tactless but once they barred there teeth and attack use all all the debate and all the diplomacy has gone. I again say total war against Islam until Islam back is broken. Europe did not turn it is back Islam always had it back turn toward Europe. All the pretty word and false intention is showing. Europe need to pull there head heads out of the butts and do something. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Being an American why do we have save europe butt again, with all the crap we had to endure being stationed there. during the cold war.europeans. allot of them did not understand when Regain became president the cold war for American troop really heat up. Those that guarded the missile and those who had to wind them up. Drill were one thing but going thru a live fire wind up meant lunch and die. We knew are base was one off the first nuke strike area. The soviets picked up there game of bomber mission play around in soviet air space.

Well then my logic is base on history and why and how wars start. I may be tactless but once they barred there teeth and attack use all all the debate and all the diplomacy has gone. I again say total war against Islam until Islam back is broken. Europe did not turn it is back Islam always had it back turn toward Europe. All the pretty word and false intention is showing. Europe need to pull there head heads out of the butts and do something. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Being an American why do we have save europe butt again, with all the crap we had to endure being stationed there. during the cold war.europeans. allot of them did not understand when Regain became president the cold war for American troop really heat up. Those that guarded the missile and those who had to wind them up. Drill were one thing but going thru a live fire wind up meant lunch and die. We knew are base was one off the first nuke strike area. The soviets picked up there game of bomber mission play around in soviet air space.

I'm assuming you realise that Islam is not a physical entity or nation, but a belief, and to 'break its back' as you say, would involve genocide. Soooo, let me get this straight, you're advocating the mass extermination of hundreds of millions of people because you see them as 'bad'?

There's so much hypocrisy there you could choke a fucking donkey with it.

In regards to the 'Save Europe's butt again'............. no, i'm not even going there.

Not Islam, not terrorism, not the wars, but the ignorance that infects almost all people on all sides of this brewing religious shitstorm. People forming well-entrenched opinions even though they haven't looked at both sides, the Chinese whispers that start in regards to a news story, and people's plain, straight-up refusal to listen to reason, regardless of the source. Also how easily people are swayed by the media. Has anyone else noticed how quickly our reason for invading Iraq changed from "Oh crap they've got WMD's" to "Liberating the Iraqi people"? And no one bats an eyelid, they just soak it up like a sponge, and prepare some more wild patriotism and blind faith in their government, with the image of the twin towers and London bombings burned into their minds.

"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." - John Adams, 2nd US President.

Here in the north west of England, we have a fairly high percentage of muslim folk, have done since the 60's. We've had riots, demonstrations, random beatings and revenge attacks in the street (Of which I myself have been on the recieving end of a couple of times), yet this is nothing compared to what will come unless people start to form some balanced opinions. It's a prime case of ignorance meeting ignorance head on, with everyone else, Muslim and otherwise, in the middle just trying to bloody get on with their lives. We have the chav problem, predominantly whites, who attack people and property for no reason other than prejudice and that they can. I myself lost a very good friend to them, and needless to say these are the epitome of 'Ignorant whites' here.

I have quite a few muslim mates from both school and ones i've made since, and this is what people just don't understand. A lot of them are scared. Scared of the constant media barrage that tars them all with the same brush, scared of how people soak up what they see on TV, scared of the ignorance displayed by both a minority from their culture and some whites, and definately scared of what's coming next. As a result, very few from Britain's Muslim communities are willing to speak out, and this is a crying shame because that is precisely what we need right now: Normal British Muslims standing up and saying "Now hang on a minute, this tool who just blew himself up in no way represents the rest of us", and even if they did, people here are so wrapped up in their own misgivings and prejudice i'm not even sure they'd listen.

The best and most recent examples of ignorance at play on a grand scale are the New York mosque and Quran burning fiascos. There are still many, many people who actually think the plan was to build the mosque on top of the bloody rubble. There are also a lot of folk who firmly believe it's their right to burn the Quran, and don't understand why they're so upset about the prospect of it, and also don't see the ramifications of it. People have already bloody DIED because of it, and none have even been burned!

And at the last, not only is there the ignorance, the willful ignorance here, but there's also the inability to understand why we're being attacked by minority terrorist groups in the first place. You see it every day on forums both here on CR and on various other sites, people saying without a hint of doubt that invading a nation in response to a terrorist attack is justified.

Take the probable causes of the terrorism in the first place, the interference, the meddling, the butting our collective western noses into their business, extortion, gunboat diplomacy and the threat of it, exploitation, not really a small, insignificant list all told. It doesn't warrant killing innocent people over, but welcome to humanity; some of us are dicks. Take that to one side, just put it on the sideboard for a minute. Imagine if ten years ago a group of 20-30 Americans went to Dubai and bombed some religious buildings. Imagine it. Then imagine waking up one morning in your cosy little house in England or the US, looking out your window and seeing Saudi tanks rolling past your house.
Would you be pleased to see them? Would you care that they say they're there to eradicate the subversive cells of extremists and to free you from your oppressive government? Would you?
If you said yes, then you're either painfully naive or lying.

Add to that even more Chinese whispers, and what starts out as an accident turns into a NATO led massacre by the time the news has reached 10 villages away. Add in some ignorance and anger, anger at foreign troops on your streets, anger at western meddling in your affairs, anger that your uncle was accidentally killed by an airstrike. Yeah you're pretty pissed right now, so pissed in fact you take up an AK at the gentle urgings of an extremist Imam and join the 'resistance'. It's human nature, despite what some people may say, to want to defend your home, and this makes you extremely susceptible to persuasion and being coerced into doing things you otherwise wouldn't do.

No one is willing to try and see things from any perspective but their own, and this situation the world is being flung into now is only going to get worse. Afghanistan is unwinnable for the simple reason that we're fighting an endless army. For every accident, for every action, for every month that our troops are over there we simply push more and more impressionable young Muslims all round the world over the threshold into extremism, and contrary to popular belief this war will not make things better, it will only increase the likelihood that you or your children or your friends will be killed on day when you're out shopping by some pissed off, disillusioned young Muslim who was vulnerable to being 'turned'.

And it will be our own fault.

I don't care if you don't follow their religion.
I don't care if you don't understand it.
I don't care if you hate middle eastern bloody cooking or the clothes they wear.
You don't have to do anything other than calm the fuck down. Mohammed in your local gas station is not about to murder your children, he's just a dude trying to get on with his life, same as you. We can't help who we're born as, but we can change who we become. No matter your race, colour or creed, people are just people. We're good, bad, and most often, somewhere in between. People the world over need to grow some perspective or remove themselves from everyone elses affairs entirely, otherwise we're all going to find ourselves in a world of shit, far, far sooner than we think.

Your the one who has failed human nature 101, you live in some magical fantasy land where its human nature to care about each other and where every one gets alone and helps each other out regardless of anything.

That may be in your own little world. But in reality where I live, human nature consists of the following

War, Hate, Greed, Discrimination, Exploitation, Intolerance. ect.

Its human nature to pick on and beat up and exploit the weak. You see it every day at school, bullies.
Its human nature to fight over things.

All of those are fundamental human nature.

Actually that is mostly programmed behavior. In other words, its how your razed up to act through society, and you life style.

Well we know where they consider they holly site is Allah can save them then maybe allah exist. Yes I know that that the poison of islam is a government face based belief system. It not the faith it undermining of government that get me mad. Maybe if you just go back as far as WW2 you may understand what hate can do. A faith/government is what Hitler and his gang tried. I am glade they pulled the trigger to soon and stayed with old strategies. Islam is a slow moving virus as it takes hold it kills or threaten any one that oppose them.---------------------------------- If a Muslim change region that death sentence that muslin. If it such a great religion why fear other types of religions. Education is also an enemy of Islams an open mind can not be controlled as easily. Why do you think literacy in Muslim countries is low and if taught it is the Qumran. Once a threat has been recognized it need to be taken care of fast like the Asian bird flue. Being two faced people that hold the Quran as law what else is there to do. I it going to take a city being Nuked for you to see what kind of people we are dealing with? Europe is an ally of yours even with the Frogs we will be asked to intervene like your not. ---------------------------------------You grown up in a world of Barny i do not expect you to understand or even comprehend. Your generation is so naive about the world and do not even realise that islam has been pretty bold in war throughout the world. Most never make it to the news most of you are aware of American Idol and your I-tune But very few even understand we a Republic and most can not tell you the three branch of government or even know your congress name and position let alone senators. Diplomacy with people of no honor but to themselves is a wast of time---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------.Sometime you can talk out problems and that wise thing to do. talking to the leaders of Islam has never held up to any agreement made with them unless they are getting the best end of a deal. If it change and they think there getting the short end they will break it, Contract law. Do I want war no but to walk away after being slapped down noway. This problem is world wide wake up please.

Well we know where they consider they holly site is Allah can save them then maybe allah exist. Yes I know that that the poison of islam is a government face based belief system. It not the faith it undermining of government that get me mad. Maybe if you just go back as far as WW2 you may understand what hate can do. A faith/government is what Hitler and his gang tried. I am glade they pulled the trigger to soon and stayed with old strategies. Islam is a slow moving virus as it takes hold it kills or threaten any one that oppose them.---------------------------------- If a Muslim change region that death sentence that muslin. If it such a great religion why fear other types of religions. Education is also an enemy of Islams an open mind can not be controlled as easily. Why do you think literacy in Muslim countries is low and if taught it is the Qumran. Once a threat has been recognized it need to be taken care of fast like the Asian bird flue. Being two faced people that hold the Quran as law what else is there to do. I it going to take a city being Nuked for you to see what kind of people we are dealing with? Europe is an ally of yours even with the Frogs we will be asked to intervene like your not. ---------------------------------------You grown up in a world of Barny i do not expect you to understand or even comprehend. Your generation is so naive about the world and do not even realise that islam has been pretty bold in war throughout the world. Most never make it to the news most of you are aware of American Idol and your I-tune But very few even understand we a Republic and most can not tell you the three branch of government or even know your congress name and position let alone senators. Diplomacy with people of no honor but to themselves is a wast of time---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------.Sometime you can talk out problems and that wise thing to do. talking to the leaders of Islam has never held up to any agreement made with them unless they are getting the best end of a deal. If it change and they think there getting the short end they will break it, Contract law. Do I want war no but to walk away after being slapped down noway. This problem is world wide wake up please.

It's only those who are weak and powerless would wage war, hate, discriminate, and exploit those who are equally greedy and intolerable. While they're lusting and claiming about an unrealistic sense of power, entitlement, and superiority, that none of them will ever achieve. Because they never had the power to stop themselves in the first place. QED.

Well it takes two to wage war, there many types of war fair but I would not expect you to understand.. So ramble on you sound like a Democrat here in the USA. they want ever thing free do not want t fight for it like there just entitled to it and want the government to do the stealing by force. Here it call the I.R.S. they can take anything you own and use deadly force to do so. By the way it was Muslim talking about there belief before 9-11 and after that. I am not sure who's quote your using and really do not care, You use force only when necessary a two faced theocracy it a dangerous threat to the world. I doubt you even understand what your quote means sense you represent it other wise you would not have used it.

Well it takes two to wage war, there many types of war fair but I would not expect you to understand.. So ramble on you sound like a Democrat here in the USA. they want ever thing free do not want t fight for it like there just entitled to it and want the government to do the stealing by force. Here it call the I.R.S. they can take anything you own and use deadly force to do so. By the way it was Muslim talking about there belief before 9-11 and after that. I am not sure who's quote your using and really do not care, You use force only when necessary a two faced theocracy it a dangerous threat to the world. I doubt you even understand what your quote means sense you represent it other wise you would not have used it.

"Q.E.D." (sometimes written "QED") is an abbreviation for the Latin phrase "quod erat demonstrandum" ("that which was to be demonstrated"), a notation which is often placed at the end of a mathematical proof to indicate its completion.(citation)

And it's nonetheless my own quote, which I just happened to thought up earlier today. Don't you like it? I think it fits you rather nicely.