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Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

Female gender is the aggregate of what females do.
Male gender is the aggregate of what males do.

Transgender people typically act in common practice with the gender they identify with.
Leads me to believe that gender is biological.

I would disagree, some of what I do doesn't fit with the aggregate of what females do, some does. Does that make me any less female? I am biologically a female, my gender identity is female, but do some of the activities I engage in make me any less female, even if I feel female 100% of the time?

Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

Female gender is the aggregate of what females do.
Male gender is the aggregate of what males do.

Transgender people typically act in common practice with the gender they identify with.
Leads me to believe that gender is biological.

This is a really excellent point. Transgendered people act in a way commonly expected of the opposite sex, they don't challenge gender roles, they a actually conform to them. Bravo. I've learned something.

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Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

Originally Posted by roguenuke

Because society establishes that someone born in a certain sex, i.e. man/penis/XY chromosome, woman/vagina/XX chromosome, should dress a certain way, talk a certain way, walk a certain way, like certain things, shave certain areas, not shave certain areas, etc. Biology doesn't establish what clothes a person should wear, society does. Biology doesn't really establish how sensitive a person should be, society does. Biology puts in place how certain clothes look on certain people and how sensitive certain people are, but there is nothing in nature that says that every person of a certain sex should wear only certain clothes or that every person of a certain sex should be at this X amount of sensitivity. Society sets those limits.

Transgendered people feel that they fit better in the gender role that society has said does not fit with their physical sex. It isn't that hard to figure out. That is why most professionals who talk about sex and gender do not use them interchangebly, from what I have observed. Sex is used to describe a person's physical features that make them a man or woman, while gender is generally used to describe the person in relation to whether they fit into society's description of how a man or a woman should act, dress, feel, think, etc.

If it were a social construct, the environment that the child was originally raised in is what they would identify their gender as.

It's all chemistry in the brain, both during and after birth.
I'm not saying transgender is wrong.

I'm saying these people are moronic to do, what they're doing.
It serves no purpose.

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Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

I actually learned a bit about this in Psych 101. The extremes of the gender roles tend to be less extreme in children raised gender-neutral. This doesn't seem to impair their functioning or mental state, nor does it seem to encourage transgenderism. It just moves men and women a little closer together. I don't see anything wrong with that.

Clinton Anderson, director of the American Psychological Association's Lesbian, Gay and Bisexual Concerns Office, told FoxNews.com that while the organization supports gender nondiscrimination, there is no research available regarding potential harms or benefits to raising a so-called genderless child.
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Last edited by Dix; 05-25-11 at 12:54 AM.
Reason: Oops, this was in reply to MistressNomad's post

Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

Originally Posted by Your Star

I would disagree, some of what I do doesn't fit with the aggregate of what females do, some does. Does that make me any less female? I am biologically a female, my gender identity is female, but do some of the activities I engage in make me any less female, even if I feel female 100% of the time?

Of course, most everyone will not perfectly fit in an aggregate measurement.

The point is that you would likely highlight enough points to where a person, not knowing your gender, could identify it based on your behavior.

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Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

Originally Posted by MistressNomad

You're right. I simply presented it as an option for someone who said they were uncomfortable saying "it," since they don't know the sex or gender of the child. Its purpose is for the sake of conversation.

It's not that I'm uncomfortable with saying "it", it just seems strange that these parents would prefer "it" over he/she. Apparently objectification is not something they're concerned about their child internalizing.

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Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

The gender role the child wants to live in, I think the parents should be supportive of that.

The point is though, that they would have to be neither supportive nor, not supportive because it could be perceived by the child as support for a specific gender role.

That's why this entire experiment is asinine.

I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
—Adam Shepard