Guns/Second Amendment - Atheist Nexus2018-03-19T14:39:01Zhttp://atheistnexus.org/forum/topics/gunssecond-amendment?commentId=2182797%3AComment%3A1227958&xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI think we are being played b…tag:atheistnexus.org,2012-04-01:2182797:Comment:19105472012-04-01T18:02:01.376ZHolly Blakehttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/HollyBlake
<p>I think we are being played by the arms industry. A mentality of fear and violence makes them richer by the day. The NRA is full of members who have been convinced those of us "non-members" are out to take their guns and freedom away from them. I live in an area of enormous poverty and some people hunt to eat. Even as a vegetarian I would defend their right to do so.</p>
<p>But I will not defend anyone's right to carry a gun to use on others for any reason other than the protection of life…</p>
<p>I think we are being played by the arms industry. A mentality of fear and violence makes them richer by the day. The NRA is full of members who have been convinced those of us "non-members" are out to take their guns and freedom away from them. I live in an area of enormous poverty and some people hunt to eat. Even as a vegetarian I would defend their right to do so.</p>
<p>But I will not defend anyone's right to carry a gun to use on others for any reason other than the protection of life and castle. That is why we have trained police officers and enforcement agencies. That is why we are a nation of laws. </p>
<p>We supposedly learned that lesson back in the 1800s. Lots of innocent people were killed and maimed when everyone carried a gun and it was acceptable to use violence to settle disputes.</p>
<p>So, no, I don't think we have consensus here:O)</p> Free speech cages... yep, th…tag:atheistnexus.org,2012-04-01:2182797:Comment:19103822012-04-01T17:56:08.266ZTNT666http://atheistnexus.org/profile/TNT
<p>Free speech cages... yep, that's the only kind of free speech we know in Canada. And even those aren't 100% safe.</p>
<p>Free speech cages... yep, that's the only kind of free speech we know in Canada. And even those aren't 100% safe.</p> Louis, when you say that the…tag:atheistnexus.org,2012-04-01:2182797:Comment:19106322012-04-01T17:28:31.984ZDoglyhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/GaelRMurphy
<p>Louis, when you say that the 2nd amendment isn't incorporated, did you mean it was not ratified by every state? This is news to me, if true. I thought that the entire constitution had been ratified by all the states that then existed. Please educate me on this.</p>
<p>On the intent of the writers, I think it is pretty clear that one reason, in addition to defending against invasion, that the citizenry should be armed, was so we could rise up and overthrow the government if it were to…</p>
<p>Louis, when you say that the 2nd amendment isn't incorporated, did you mean it was not ratified by every state? This is news to me, if true. I thought that the entire constitution had been ratified by all the states that then existed. Please educate me on this.</p>
<p>On the intent of the writers, I think it is pretty clear that one reason, in addition to defending against invasion, that the citizenry should be armed, was so we could rise up and overthrow the government if it were to become tyrannical. When our petitions to the government for redress of grievances are met with inaction or retaliation, for example. Like when peaceful protesters are attacked or arrested, or when they are herded into what I call "free speech cages" made of highway barricades. That, by the way is what Tampa is planning to do to the protesters who attend the RNC convention. That is what the police in D.C set up for the <strong><em>counter</em></strong> demonstrators at the Reason Rally. </p> LET ME MAKE IT SIMPLE, very f…tag:atheistnexus.org,2011-04-27:2182797:Comment:12280882011-04-27T15:48:19.584Zthomas smithhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/thomassmith
<p>LET ME MAKE IT SIMPLE, very few people will engage hand to hand , the hand gun allows anyone who get the drop on you to have their way.</p>
<p>the had gun is unique because most other hand weapons require close interaction and some level of strength and skill. if you come at me with a stick, knife,etc. i can engage you and or run away, if you are 2 feet from me pointing a glock with a big clip at me there is nothing i can do.</p>
<p>talk to any combat trainer if you dont believe me.</p>
<p>LET ME MAKE IT SIMPLE, very few people will engage hand to hand , the hand gun allows anyone who get the drop on you to have their way.</p>
<p>the had gun is unique because most other hand weapons require close interaction and some level of strength and skill. if you come at me with a stick, knife,etc. i can engage you and or run away, if you are 2 feet from me pointing a glock with a big clip at me there is nothing i can do.</p>
<p>talk to any combat trainer if you dont believe me.</p> more guns are not the answer…tag:atheistnexus.org,2011-04-27:2182797:Comment:12278882011-04-27T14:53:28.963ZSusan Stankohttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/SusanStanko
<p><em>more guns are not the answer</em></p>
<p> </p>
<p>I challenge you to find anyone in this thread who claims that it IS the answer.<em><br/></em></p>
<p><em>more guns are not the answer</em></p>
<p> </p>
<p>I challenge you to find anyone in this thread who claims that it IS the answer.<em><br/></em></p> folks, think about it, , the…tag:atheistnexus.org,2011-04-27:2182797:Comment:12285322011-04-27T14:34:27.227Zthomas smithhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/thomassmith
<p>folks, think about it, , the escalation that you have proposed, i.e. everyone armed will result in exactly this scenario. of course there will be anomlys, where the robber is overpowered , and probably some would be robbers will change their minds, but I am telling you the hard core / or marginal mental cases will escalate too!.</p>
<p>more guns are not the answer</p>
<p>folks, think about it, , the escalation that you have proposed, i.e. everyone armed will result in exactly this scenario. of course there will be anomlys, where the robber is overpowered , and probably some would be robbers will change their minds, but I am telling you the hard core / or marginal mental cases will escalate too!.</p>
<p>more guns are not the answer</p> Willful ignorance is not a st…tag:atheistnexus.org,2011-04-27:2182797:Comment:12279582011-04-27T12:08:54.161ZTKhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/TKelly
Willful ignorance is not a strong position for debate. Explain Park's situation then? He's still alive, his would be muggers/robbers are still alive. Why the anomaly?
Willful ignorance is not a strong position for debate. Explain Park's situation then? He's still alive, his would be muggers/robbers are still alive. Why the anomaly?
no, the first person to rob…tag:atheistnexus.org,2011-04-27:2182797:Comment:12273062011-04-27T05:27:02.371Zthomas smithhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/thomassmith
<p> </p>
<p>no, the first person to rob is whoever comes down the street when no one else is looking.!! Unless you walk around all the time with your gun in your hand., the aggressor always has the advantage. the scenario is simple; I shoot you without saying anything at all, no "stick um up" or give</p>
<p>me your money" i then take your money AND the extra gun you wont be needing any more!!</p>
<p>More guns are not the answer</p>
<p> </p>
<p>no, the first person to rob is whoever comes down the street when no one else is looking.!! Unless you walk around all the time with your gun in your hand., the aggressor always has the advantage. the scenario is simple; I shoot you without saying anything at all, no "stick um up" or give</p>
<p>me your money" i then take your money AND the extra gun you wont be needing any more!!</p>
<p>More guns are not the answer</p> This type of defensive firear…tag:atheistnexus.org,2011-04-27:2182797:Comment:12274672011-04-27T01:14:31.695ZTKhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/TKelly
This type of defensive firearm use happens a LOT. It doesn't get sensationalized, because a) no one got shot, and b) it's usually not reported to police.
This type of defensive firearm use happens a LOT. It doesn't get sensationalized, because a) no one got shot, and b) it's usually not reported to police. I am thinking logically. You…tag:atheistnexus.org,2011-04-27:2182797:Comment:12275702011-04-27T01:13:29.626ZTKhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/TKelly
I am thinking logically. You know the logical first person to rob? The person I know who doesn't have a gun. It's an equalizer, not a guarantee. If you enjoy being a target, then so be it. Don't make me a target with you.
I am thinking logically. You know the logical first person to rob? The person I know who doesn't have a gun. It's an equalizer, not a guarantee. If you enjoy being a target, then so be it. Don't make me a target with you.