Post by YellowAndrew Neil interviewed Gina Miller on last night's This Week.Worth a look.

And for those of us who don't have television?

You'll just have to try to keep up however you can.

Okay, so I should have looked here first but only exemplifies why I gotrid of my television, Gina Miller, Ann Widdicombe, what nauseating shrews!Was it just me but I could hear Millers' teeth clicking while she spokeor perhaps some distant click language still inherent in her genes.Generally I live debate but this was just a nasty spoiled little girlhaving a yap.Neils', "Is this a rich womans' hobby" was mildly entertaining mind.omega

Post by YellowAndrew Neil interviewed Gina Miller on last night's This Week.Worth a look.

And for those of us who don't have television?

You'll just have to try to keep up however you can.

Okay, so I should have looked here first but only exemplifies why I gotrid of my television, Gina Miller, Ann Widdicombe, what nauseating shrews!Was it just me but I could hear Millers' teeth clicking while she spokeor perhaps some distant click language still inherent in her genes.Generally I live debate but this was just a nasty spoiled little girlhaving a yap.Neils', "Is this a rich womans' hobby" was mildly entertaining mind.omega

Post by YellowAndrew Neil interviewed Gina Miller on last night's This Week.Worth a look.

And for those of us who don't have television?

You'll just have to try to keep up however you can.

Okay, so I should have looked here first but only exemplifies why I gotrid of my television, Gina Miller, Ann Widdicombe, what nauseating shrews!Was it just me but I could hear Millers' teeth clicking while she spokeor perhaps some distant click language still inherent in her genes.Generally I live debate but this was just a nasty spoiled little girlhaving a yap.Neils', "Is this a rich womans' hobby" was mildly entertaining mind.omega

Oops!http://youtu.be/-NpD8RFl3zQ

Thanks for that.

The title to the Youtube video is "Andrew Neil destroys Gina Miller". Ithink that is the sort of language we've come to expect from fanaticalKippers, who derive what little political vocabulary they have from theterraces of football games.

Gina Miller is a businesswoman and an expert in finance and pensions.She therefore knows rather more about economics than, say, Nigel Faragewho dabbled in commodities at the London Metal Exchange when he was ayoung lad, before moving to his chosen vocation of telling the EU why weno longer need it.

Andrew Neil is an expert on nothing at all - a hack journalist whodevises witty questions in advance of an interview and is quite hopelessat adapting to the answers he gets. He simply repeats his aggressivequestions, pretending to be a barrister questioning a reluctant witness.And like any pretend barrister, he never lets any witness finishspeaking before he interrupts - same when he was speaking to ChukaUmunna. He tries to look clever by ensuring that nobody else manages toput their views across.

I'm amused by your description of Miller as a "nasty spoiled little girlhaving a yap" which conveniently combines sexism and ignorance. I don'tthink you'd describe Farage as a spoiled little boy having a yap,because you'd assume that as a man and the head of his household, he'sin charge of his wealth. But Gina Miller has courageously done more forBritish democracy and for "taking back control" than Farage, Neil orindeed Theresa May. And in that interview she was plainly the mostintelligent person in the room.

Ann Widdecombe is plainly delighted to be summoned to so many TV studiosto be asked her opinion on Brexit, a subject that she is uniquelyunqualified to speak about. "What is a soft Brexit?" she asks, as if shehasn't done her revision. She's in favour of a Brexit vote whicheventually presents Parliament with one deal, take it or leave it, withno option to tell Theresa May to go back and try again. She knowsnothing about economics or business. A devout Catholic, she lives on herown with her beloved cats (she has also adopted some goats, far lesstrouble than a husband), watching old recordings of Doctor Finlay'sCasebook and enjoying whatever limelight she can get.

Gina Miller is a businesswoman and an expert in finance and pensions.She therefore knows rather more about economics than, say, Nigel Faragewho dabbled in commodities at the London Metal Exchange when he was ayoung lad, before moving to his chosen vocation of telling the EU why weno longer need it.Andrew Neil is an expert on nothing at all - a hack journalist whodevises witty questions in advance of an interview and is quite hopelessat adapting to the answers he gets. He simply repeats his aggressivequestions, pretending to be a barrister questioning a reluctant witness.And like any pretend barrister, he never lets any witness finishspeaking before he interrupts - same when he was speaking to ChukaUmunna. He tries to look clever by ensuring that nobody else manages toput their views across.

That's because neither of them was answering the questions he put, butjust going off on their own self-aggrandising agendas.

I just wonder if Chuka thinks he's old enough now to challenge for theLabour leadership following Corbyn's resignation after the election? Heseems to me potentially electable but far too right wing to appeal tothe Trotskyite membership and Unions. What's your view?

Gina Miller is a businesswoman and an expert in finance and pensions.She therefore knows rather more about economics than, say, Nigel Faragewho dabbled in commodities at the London Metal Exchange when he was ayoung lad, before moving to his chosen vocation of telling the EU why weno longer need it.Andrew Neil is an expert on nothing at all - a hack journalist whodevises witty questions in advance of an interview and is quite hopelessat adapting to the answers he gets. He simply repeats his aggressivequestions, pretending to be a barrister questioning a reluctant witness.And like any pretend barrister, he never lets any witness finishspeaking before he interrupts - same when he was speaking to ChukaUmunna. He tries to look clever by ensuring that nobody else manages toput their views across.

That's because neither of them was answering the questions he put, butjust going off on their own self-aggrandising agendas.I just wonder if Chuka thinks he's old enough now to challenge for theLabour leadership following Corbyn's resignation after the election? Heseems to me potentially electable but far too right wing to appeal tothe Trotskyite membership and Unions. What's your view?

I know that last question is not aimed at me, but....

I had forgotten about Chuka. I was thinking that Benn was the LabourParty's way out but of course, they also have Chuka.

And how different our political landscape would now be if Chuka had notstepped down before and had managed to win.

I see in the papers though, that they say Yvette Cooper is being groomedfor leadership.

Gina Miller is a businesswoman and an expert in finance and pensions.She therefore knows rather more about economics than, say, Nigel Faragewho dabbled in commodities at the London Metal Exchange when he was ayoung lad, before moving to his chosen vocation of telling the EU why weno longer need it.Andrew Neil is an expert on nothing at all - a hack journalist whodevises witty questions in advance of an interview and is quite hopelessat adapting to the answers he gets. He simply repeats his aggressivequestions, pretending to be a barrister questioning a reluctant witness.And like any pretend barrister, he never lets any witness finishspeaking before he interrupts - same when he was speaking to ChukaUmunna. He tries to look clever by ensuring that nobody else manages toput their views across.

That's because neither of them was answering the questions he put, butjust going off on their own self-aggrandising agendas.I just wonder if Chuka thinks he's old enough now to challenge for theLabour leadership following Corbyn's resignation after the election? Heseems to me potentially electable but far too right wing to appeal tothe Trotskyite membership and Unions. What's your view?

My Momentum troops wouldn't vote for Chuka.

That's mainly because Chuka proved himself to be disloyal and too keento accuse the Labour Party of institutional antisemitism.

Gina Miller is a businesswoman and an expert in finance and pensions.She therefore knows rather more about economics than, say, Nigel Faragewho dabbled in commodities at the London Metal Exchange when he was ayoung lad, before moving to his chosen vocation of telling the EU why weno longer need it.Andrew Neil is an expert on nothing at all - a hack journalist whodevises witty questions in advance of an interview and is quite hopelessat adapting to the answers he gets. He simply repeats his aggressivequestions, pretending to be a barrister questioning a reluctant witness.And like any pretend barrister, he never lets any witness finishspeaking before he interrupts - same when he was speaking to ChukaUmunna. He tries to look clever by ensuring that nobody else manages toput their views across.

That's because neither of them was answering the questions he put, butjust going off on their own self-aggrandising agendas.I just wonder if Chuka thinks he's old enough now to challenge for theLabour leadership following Corbyn's resignation after the election? Heseems to me potentially electable but far too right wing to appeal tothe Trotskyite membership and Unions. What's your view?

My Momentum troops wouldn't vote for Chuka.That's mainly because Chuka proved himself to be disloyal and too keento accuse the Labour Party of institutional antisemitism.Chuka can consider himself chucked.

Gina Miller is a businesswoman and an expert in finance and pensions.She therefore knows rather more about economics than, say, Nigel Faragewho dabbled in commodities at the London Metal Exchange when he was ayoung lad, before moving to his chosen vocation of telling the EU why weno longer need it.Andrew Neil is an expert on nothing at all - a hack journalist whodevises witty questions in advance of an interview and is quite hopelessat adapting to the answers he gets. He simply repeats his aggressivequestions, pretending to be a barrister questioning a reluctant witness.And like any pretend barrister, he never lets any witness finishspeaking before he interrupts - same when he was speaking to ChukaUmunna. He tries to look clever by ensuring that nobody else manages toput their views across.

That's because neither of them was answering the questions he put, butjust going off on their own self-aggrandising agendas.I just wonder if Chuka thinks he's old enough now to challenge for theLabour leadership following Corbyn's resignation after the election? Heseems to me potentially electable but far too right wing to appeal tothe Trotskyite membership and Unions. What's your view?

My Momentum troops wouldn't vote for Chuka.That's mainly because Chuka proved himself to be disloyal and too keento accuse the Labour Party of institutional antisemitism.Chuka can consider himself chucked.

That's Labour in terminal decline then.

Try not to lose sleep over it.

I wonder if that nice Jacob Rees-Mogg is ready to challenge for the Toryleadership, given that by the end of this year it will be apparent tothe nation that Theresa May is an incompetent bungler. Jacob seems to mepotentially electable but far too right wing to appeal to the centristTory membership. What's your view?

Gina Miller is a businesswoman and an expert in finance and pensions.She therefore knows rather more about economics than, say, Nigel Faragewho dabbled in commodities at the London Metal Exchange when he was ayoung lad, before moving to his chosen vocation of telling the EU why weno longer need it.Andrew Neil is an expert on nothing at all - a hack journalist whodevises witty questions in advance of an interview and is quite hopelessat adapting to the answers he gets. He simply repeats his aggressivequestions, pretending to be a barrister questioning a reluctant witness.And like any pretend barrister, he never lets any witness finishspeaking before he interrupts - same when he was speaking to ChukaUmunna. He tries to look clever by ensuring that nobody else manages toput their views across.

That's because neither of them was answering the questions he put, butjust going off on their own self-aggrandising agendas.I just wonder if Chuka thinks he's old enough now to challenge for theLabour leadership following Corbyn's resignation after theelection? Heseems to me potentially electable but far too right wing to appeal tothe Trotskyite membership and Unions. What's your view?

My Momentum troops wouldn't vote for Chuka.That's mainly because Chuka proved himself to be disloyal and too keento accuse the Labour Party of institutional antisemitism.Chuka can consider himself chucked.

That's Labour in terminal decline then.

Try not to lose sleep over it.

I won't. But I'm interested to know who you think will be the nextleader of the Labour Party when Corbyn resigns immediately after theelection, as all losing leaders do.

Post by The TodalI wonder if that nice Jacob Rees-Mogg is ready to challenge for the Toryleadership, given that by the end of this year it will be apparent tothe nation that Theresa May is an incompetent bungler. Jacob seems to mepotentially electable but far too right wing to appeal to the centristTory membership. What's your view?

Well, there won't be a vacancy for at least the next 5 years, andprobably 10, so it's a bit premature.

Gina Miller is a businesswoman and an expert in finance and pensions.She therefore knows rather more about economics than, say, Nigel Faragewho dabbled in commodities at the London Metal Exchange when he was ayoung lad, before moving to his chosen vocation of telling the EU why weno longer need it.Andrew Neil is an expert on nothing at all - a hack journalist whodevises witty questions in advance of an interview and is quite hopelessat adapting to the answers he gets. He simply repeats his aggressivequestions, pretending to be a barrister questioning a reluctant witness.And like any pretend barrister, he never lets any witness finishspeaking before he interrupts - same when he was speaking to ChukaUmunna. He tries to look clever by ensuring that nobody else manages toput their views across.

That's because neither of them was answering the questions he put, butjust going off on their own self-aggrandising agendas.I just wonder if Chuka thinks he's old enough now to challenge for theLabour leadership following Corbyn's resignation after theelection? Heseems to me potentially electable but far too right wing to appeal tothe Trotskyite membership and Unions. What's your view?

My Momentum troops wouldn't vote for Chuka.That's mainly because Chuka proved himself to be disloyal and too keento accuse the Labour Party of institutional antisemitism.Chuka can consider himself chucked.

That's Labour in terminal decline then.

Try not to lose sleep over it.

I won't. But I'm interested to know who you think will be the next leaderof the Labour Party when Corbyn resigns immediately after the election, asall losing leaders do.

Gina Miller is a businesswoman and an expert in finance and pensions.She therefore knows rather more about economics than, say, Nigel Faragewho dabbled in commodities at the London Metal Exchange when he was ayoung lad, before moving to his chosen vocation of telling the EU why weno longer need it.Andrew Neil is an expert on nothing at all - a hack journalist whodevises witty questions in advance of an interview and is quite hopelessat adapting to the answers he gets. He simply repeats his aggressivequestions, pretending to be a barrister questioning a reluctant witness.And like any pretend barrister, he never lets any witness finishspeaking before he interrupts - same when he was speaking to ChukaUmunna. He tries to look clever by ensuring that nobody else manages toput their views across.

That's because neither of them was answering the questions he put, butjust going off on their own self-aggrandising agendas.I just wonder if Chuka thinks he's old enough now to challenge for theLabour leadership following Corbyn's resignation after the election? Heseems to me potentially electable but far too right wing to appeal tothe Trotskyite membership and Unions. What's your view?

My Momentum troops wouldn't vote for Chuka.That's mainly because Chuka proved himself to be disloyal and too keento accuse the Labour Party of institutional antisemitism.Chuka can consider himself chucked.

There is no one I would vote for. Corbyn came nearest but he will notstop immigration so I will not vote this time.

Post by YellowAndrew Neil interviewed Gina Miller on last night's This Week.Worth a look.

And for those of us who don't have television?

You'll just have to try to keep up however you can.

Okay, so I should have looked here first but only exemplifies why I gotrid of my television, Gina Miller, Ann Widdicombe, what nauseating shrews!Was it just me but I could hear Millers' teeth clicking while she spokeor perhaps some distant click language still inherent in her genes.Generally I live debate but this was just a nasty spoiled little girlhaving a yap.Neils', "Is this a rich womans' hobby" was mildly entertaining mind.omega

Oops!http://youtu.be/-NpD8RFl3zQ

Thanks for that.The title to the Youtube video is "Andrew Neil destroys Gina Miller". Ithink that is the sort of language we've come to expect from fanaticalKippers, who derive what little political vocabulary they have from theterraces of football games.Gina Miller is a businesswoman and an expert in finance and pensions.She therefore knows rather more about economics than, say, Nigel Faragewho dabbled in commodities at the London Metal Exchange when he was ayoung lad, before moving to his chosen vocation of telling the EU why weno longer need it.Andrew Neil is an expert on nothing at all - a hack journalist whodevises witty questions in advance of an interview and is quite hopelessat adapting to the answers he gets. He simply repeats his aggressivequestions, pretending to be a barrister questioning a reluctant witness.And like any pretend barrister, he never lets any witness finishspeaking before he interrupts - same when he was speaking to ChukaUmunna. He tries to look clever by ensuring that nobody else manages toput their views across.I'm amused by your description of Miller as a "nasty spoiled little girlhaving a yap" which conveniently combines sexism and ignorance. I don'tthink you'd describe Farage as a spoiled little boy having a yap,because you'd assume that as a man and the head of his household, he'sin charge of his wealth. But Gina Miller has courageously done more forBritish democracy and for "taking back control" than Farage, Neil orindeed Theresa May. And in that interview she was plainly the mostintelligent person in the room.Ann Widdecombe is plainly delighted to be summoned to so many TV studiosto be asked her opinion on Brexit, a subject that she is uniquelyunqualified to speak about. "What is a soft Brexit?" she asks, as if shehasn't done her revision. She's in favour of a Brexit vote whicheventually presents Parliament with one deal, take it or leave it, withno option to tell Theresa May to go back and try again. She knowsnothing about economics or business. A devout Catholic, she lives on herown with her beloved cats (she has also adopted some goats, far lesstrouble than a husband), watching old recordings of Doctor Finlay'sCasebook and enjoying whatever limelight she can get.

As it happens Toodles, I'm no fan of Neil whatsoever either. I don'tput Miller in this category but when I had television, he didoccasionally get quite able interviewees but the brazen sod would neverlet them finish a sentence though well on cue and pertinent to what he'dasked only seconds earlier. I don't like the term bully applied to onewho is purporting towards investigative journalism but he applies theheavy hand many times over when not needed.

Very courageous of Miller to take the Government all the way to theSupreme Court AND win her cause, but her chasing publicity now, and Ihave to admit, I'm not sure what, puts her in rich spoiled brat mode forme. Last night, with Neil, she displayed herself as not really knowingwhat her goal is, do you know? Had I not known who she was last night,she certainly broke down very easily, into a woman with 'attitude', butthen, how many would endure a slob as Neil.

A damn fine looking woman by the way, but don't want you running theidea, I'm ignorant.

Widdicombe on the other hand had no redeeming qualities, did she ever?

Post by YellowAndrew Neil interviewed Gina Miller on last night's This Week.Worth a look.

And for those of us who don't have television?

You'll just have to try to keep up however you can.

Okay, so I should have looked here first but only exemplifies why I gotrid of my television, Gina Miller, Ann Widdicombe, what nauseating shrews!Was it just me but I could hear Millers' teeth clicking while she spokeor perhaps some distant click language still inherent in her genes.Generally I live debate but this was just a nasty spoiled little girlhaving a yap.Neils', "Is this a rich womans' hobby" was mildly entertaining mind.

Post by YellowAndrew Neil interviewed Gina Miller on last night's This Week.Worth a look.

And for those of us who don't have television?

You'll just have to try to keep up however you can.

Okay, so I should have looked here first but only exemplifies why I gotrid of my television, Gina Miller, Ann Widdicombe, what nauseating shrews!Was it just me but I could hear Millers' teeth clicking while she spoke orperhaps some distant click language still inherent in her genes.Generally I live debate but this was just a nasty spoiled little girlhaving a yap.Neils', "Is this a rich womans' hobby" was mildly entertaining mind.

Yep

she tried to justify that by saying "I have a full time career" and myresponse to that was, so this must be a hobby then, you stupid little woman

Post by YellowAndrew Neil interviewed Gina Miller on last night's This Week.Worth a look.

And for those of us who don't have television?

You'll just have to try to keep up however you can.

Okay, so I should have looked here first but only exemplifies why I gotrid of my television, Gina Miller, Ann Widdicombe, what nauseating shrews!Was it just me but I could hear Millers' teeth clicking while she spokeor perhaps some distant click language still inherent in her genes.Generally I live debate but this was just a nasty spoiled little girlhaving a yap.Neils', "Is this a rich womans' hobby" was mildly entertaining mind.

It was. :-)

And of course he is right.

But, before I get flamed, that doesn't mean it is not her right to dowhat she is doing.

Post by YellowAndrew Neil interviewed Gina Miller on last night's This Week.Worth a look.

And for those of us who don't have television?

You'll just have to try to keep up however you can.

Okay, so I should have looked here first but only exemplifies why I gotrid of my television, Gina Miller, Ann Widdicombe, what nauseating shrews!Was it just me but I could hear Millers' teeth clicking while she spokeor perhaps some distant click language still inherent in her genes.Generally I live debate but this was just a nasty spoiled little girlhaving a yap.Neils', "Is this a rich womans' hobby" was mildly entertaining mind.

It was. :-)

And of course he is right.

But, before I get flamed, that doesn't mean it is not her right to dowhat she is doing.

===

Why would you be flamed??? Pah, they can flame me too in that case becauseI agree!

I don't know if you have come across Idris Francis? He runs a mailinggroup. He has politicians, businessmen et al in the group and Miller'scompany was investigated. I am afraid she isn't doing too well for all herboasts. It might be her husband who is financing some ofit, but it alsoseems there is group funding.

Post by OmegaNeils', "Is this a rich womans' hobby" was mildly entertaining mind.

It was. :-)And of course he is right.But, before I get flamed, that doesn't mean it is not her right to dowhat she is doing.===Why would you be flamed??? Pah, they can flame me too in that case becauseI agree!

I could just see it coming. :-)

I did think though it was a good interview, hearing what she had to say.But I did agree, as we have all said before, that her clear aim is tostop Brexit and all this "I just want it done right" bollocks is justthat - bollocks.

She would be respected more, and probably get more support, if she washonest - not least because of the irony that her stance is that shewants to keep Mrs May "honest".

Post by YellowI don't know if you have come across Idris Francis? He runs a mailinggroup. He has politicians, businessmen et al in the group and Miller'scompany was investigated. I am afraid she isn't doing too well for all herboasts. It might be her husband who is financing some ofit, but it alsoseems there is group funding.

Post by OmegaNeils', "Is this a rich womans' hobby" was mildly entertaining mind.

It was. :-)And of course he is right.But, before I get flamed, that doesn't mean it is not her right to dowhat she is doing.===Why would you be flamed??? Pah, they can flame me too in that case becauseI agree!

I could just see it coming. :-)

I did think though it was a good interview, hearing what she had to say.But I did agree, as we have all said before, that her clear aim is tostop Brexit and all this "I just want it done right" bollocks is justthat - bollocks.

She would be respected more, and probably get more support, if she washonest - not least because of the irony that her stance is that shewants to keep Mrs May "honest".

Post by YellowI don't know if you have come across Idris Francis? He runs a mailinggroup. He has politicians, businessmen et al in the group and Miller'scompany was investigated. I am afraid she isn't doing too well for all herboasts. It might be her husband who is financing some ofit, but it alsoseems there is group funding.

I saw though that this latest venture is being crowd funded.

==

Yes. So we have to look at her saying 'it is all my own money' and bow downto her ... spit!

Post by OmegaNeils', "Is this a rich womans' hobby" was mildly entertaining mind.

It was. :-)And of course he is right.But, before I get flamed, that doesn't mean it is not her right to dowhat she is doing.===Why would you be flamed??? Pah, they can flame me too in that case becauseI agree!

I could just see it coming. :-)I did think though it was a good interview, hearing what she had to say.But I did agree, as we have all said before, that her clear aim is tostop Brexit and all this "I just want it done right" bollocks is justthat - bollocks.She would be respected more, and probably get more support, if she washonest - not least because of the irony that her stance is that shewants to keep Mrs May "honest".

Post by YellowI don't know if you have come across Idris Francis? He runs a mailinggroup. He has politicians, businessmen et al in the group and Miller'scompany was investigated. I am afraid she isn't doing too well for all herboasts. It might be her husband who is financing some ofit, but it alsoseems there is group funding.

I saw though that this latest venture is being crowd funded.

Ah, I hadn't noticed that. Many thanks. The page is here, and I've nowcontributed a hundred quid.

Post by YellowI saw though that this latest venture is being crowd funded.

Ah, I hadn't noticed that. Many thanks. The page is here, and I've nowcontributed a hundred quid.https://www.gofundme.com/whats-best-for-britain

The page says -> We are a group of campaigners and public-minded peoplewho are crowdfunding to get people to use their vote tactically.

I wonder how that is going they are going to do that? Pick theirpreferred candidate and then leaflet people? Will be interesting to seehow they go about it, and whether it works or whether it pisses peopleoff.

Post by YellowI saw though that this latest venture is being crowd funded.

Ah, I hadn't noticed that. Many thanks. The page is here, and I've nowcontributed a hundred quid.https://www.gofundme.com/whats-best-for-britain

The page says -> We are a group of campaigners and public-minded peoplewho are crowdfunding to get people to use their vote tactically.I wonder how that is going they are going to do that? Pick theirpreferred candidate and then leaflet people? Will be interesting to seehow they go about it, and whether it works or whether it pisses peopleoff.

It certainly pisses me off but then, I don't count, I already have amind of my own.

If I pretend for a moment I'm a dithering idiot and needed a push oneway or the other, oh go on then, it still pisses me off.

I believe many of these radical campaigners simply don't think thingsthrough, not dissimilar from the end of the world scenarios theRemainers reported prior to the Referendum.

As I've said elsewhere, I haven't had a lively interest in politics, thewhole of my adult life and my first vote ever was for Brexit in theReferendum.

When they flew in the twat Obama to tell us all, with an arrogantsnigger on his jug eared countenance, "leave, and you go to the back ofthe queue", he marked my cross there and then!

Miller will send hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, to the veryopposite camp she had hoped and all beautifully paid for, by The MaddingCrowd.

Post by YellowI saw though that this latest venture is being crowd funded.

Ah, I hadn't noticed that. Many thanks. The page is here, and I've nowcontributed a hundred quid.https://www.gofundme.com/whats-best-for-britain

The page says -> We are a group of campaigners and public-minded peoplewho are crowdfunding to get people to use their vote tactically.I wonder how that is going they are going to do that? Pick theirpreferred candidate and then leaflet people? Will be interesting to seehow they go about it, and whether it works or whether it pisses peopleoff.

It certainly pisses me off but then, I don't count, I already have amind of my own.If I pretend for a moment I'm a dithering idiot and needed a push oneway or the other, oh go on then, it still pisses me off.I believe many of these radical campaigners simply don't think thingsthrough, not dissimilar from the end of the world scenarios theRemainers reported prior to the Referendum.

What end of the world scenarios did the Remainers allegedlyreport prior to the Referendum? I suppose a cite would beout of the question?

As far as I am aware, the end of the world scenarios allegedlyreported by the Remainers, were actually invented by Leaverstrying to discredit the Remain camp. Eg.:

'... Mr Johnson said: ... “I think all this talk of World War Three andbubonic plague is totally demented frankly.”

Boris was the only one talking of WW3 and bubonic plague.

Post by OmegaAs I've said elsewhere, I haven't had a lively interest in politics, thewhole of my adult life and my first vote ever was for Brexit in theReferendum.When they flew in the twat Obama to tell us all, with an arrogantsnigger on his jug eared countenance, "leave, and you go to the back ofthe queue", he marked my cross there and then!Miller will send hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, to the veryopposite camp she had hoped and all beautifully paid for, by The MaddingCrowd.Oh what glee!omega

Post by YellowI saw though that this latest venture is being crowd funded.

Ah, I hadn't noticed that. Many thanks. The page is here, and I've nowcontributed a hundred quid.https://www.gofundme.com/whats-best-for-britain

The page says -> We are a group of campaigners and public-minded peoplewho are crowdfunding to get people to use their vote tactically.I wonder how that is going they are going to do that? Pick theirpreferred candidate and then leaflet people? Will be interesting to seehow they go about it, and whether it works or whether it pisses peopleoff.

It certainly pisses me off but then, I don't count, I already have amind of my own.If I pretend for a moment I'm a dithering idiot and needed a push oneway or the other, oh go on then, it still pisses me off.I believe many of these radical campaigners simply don't think thingsthrough, not dissimilar from the end of the world scenarios theRemainers reported prior to the Referendum.

What end of the world scenarios did the Remainers allegedlyreport prior to the Referendum? I suppose a cite would beout of the question?As far as I am aware, the end of the world scenarios allegedlyreported by the Remainers, were actually invented by Leavershttp://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/669189/EU-referendum-Boris-Johnson-David-Cameron-totally-demented-scaremongering-BrexitMay 11, 2016'... Mr Johnson said: ... “I think all this talk of World War Three andbubonic plague is totally demented frankly.”Boris was the only one talking of WW3 and bubonic plague.

Post by OmegaAs I've said elsewhere, I haven't had a lively interest in politics, thewhole of my adult life and my first vote ever was for Brexit in theReferendum.When they flew in the twat Obama to tell us all, with an arrogantsnigger on his jug eared countenance, "leave, and you go to the back ofthe queue", he marked my cross there and then!Miller will send hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, to the veryopposite camp she had hoped and all beautifully paid for, by The MaddingCrowd.Oh what glee!omega

You're not making sense Hammy.

Cameron *was* a Remainer. His government spent £9,000,000 of our taxmoney telling us so!

I have read and re-read your post, have you just scored a home goal?Perhaps you're having an early slurp?

Post by pensive hamsterWhat end of the world scenarios did the Remainers allegedlyreport prior to the Referendum? I suppose a cite would beout of the question?

Don't you get bored, keep posting this same thing over and over?

Yes I do.

Then......

Goodness, you seem snarky. It seem you can't bring yourself torespond directly to any of the points I raised, but instead try andtwist my words by means of selective snipping and changing thepunctuation. Weird.

Post by pensive hamsterWhat end of the world scenarios did the Remainers allegedlyreport prior to the Referendum? I suppose a cite would beout of the question?

Don't you get bored, keep posting this same thing over and over?

Yes I do.

Then......

Goodness, you seem snarky. It seem you can't bring yourself torespond directly to any of the points I raised, but instead try andtwist my words by means of selective snipping and changing thepunctuation. Weird.

Post by pensive hamsterI can't remember anyone ever answering the question 'What end ofthe world scenarios did the Remainers allegedly report prior to theReferendum?'Let's suppose for the sake of argument there is a narrow Brexitvote and as predicted by just about every major source ofeconomic wisdom (PWC, LSE, IMF, OECD, Treasury, BoE etc.etc.) there is a sterling crisis, interest rates, unemployment andinflation shoot up, major players announce that they are shifting theirfactories and or HQ's out of the UK), EU states announce importtariffs and bans (e.g. no UK lamb for France) and so on.

Post by pensive hamsterI can't remember anyone ever answering the question 'What end ofthe world scenarios did the Remainers allegedly report prior to theReferendum?'Let's suppose for the sake of argument there is a narrow Brexitvote and as predicted by just about every major source ofeconomic wisdom (PWC, LSE, IMF, OECD, Treasury, BoE etc.etc.) there is a sterling crisis, interest rates, unemployment andinflation shoot up, major players announce that they are shifting theirfactories and or HQ's out of the UK), EU states announce importtariffs and bans (e.g. no UK lamb for France) and so on.

Oh I see, thanks. I wouldn't describe that as an end of the worldscenario though, it's quite a long way short of that. More like adose of economic flu.

And all of that could still happen over the next decade or two. Orit might not, Brexit might turn out to be a good thing. I'm not allthat optimistic about that personally, but time will tell. Either way,we will survive.

Post by pensive hamsterI can't remember anyone ever answering the question 'What end ofthe world scenarios did the Remainers allegedly report prior to theReferendum?'Let's suppose for the sake of argument there is a narrow Brexitvote and as predicted by just about every major source ofeconomic wisdom (PWC, LSE, IMF, OECD, Treasury, BoE etc.etc.) there is a sterling crisis, interest rates, unemployment andinflation shoot up, major players announce that they are shifting theirfactories and or HQ's out of the UK), EU states announce importtariffs and bans (e.g. no UK lamb for France) and so on.

Oh I see, thanks. I wouldn't describe that as an end of the worldscenario though, it's quite a long way short of that. More like adose of economic flu.

Post by pensive hamsterI can't remember anyone ever answering the question 'What end ofthe world scenarios did the Remainers allegedly report prior to theReferendum?'Let's suppose for the sake of argument there is a narrow Brexitvote and as predicted by just about every major source ofeconomic wisdom (PWC, LSE, IMF, OECD, Treasury, BoE etc.etc.) there is a sterling crisis, interest rates, unemployment andinflation shoot up, major players announce that they are shifting

their

Post by pensive hamsterfactories and or HQ's out of the UK), EU states announce importtariffs and bans (e.g. no UK lamb for France) and so on.

Oh I see, thanks. I wouldn't describe that as an end of the worldscenario though, it's quite a long way short of that. More like adose of economic flu.

Post by pensive hamsterDo you find it easy to dismiss the views of the IMF and the USA,predicting doom for the UK economy and the world economy if theUK leaves the EC?

That wasn't me predicting doom. It was the IMF and Barack Obama.

You may have noticed over the weekend that Donald Trump has decided toput the UK further back in the queue, behind the EU, when it comes toany trade deals made by the USA. That was the scenario that Barack Obamawarned us about, and the Leavers said that he was interfering and had noright to tell us what US policy would be, in case people changed theirvote.

It was important to the Leavers that the electorate should dismiss allthe advice from "experts" (as advised by Michael Gove) and should votepurely on the basis of reducing immigration, getting huge sums of extradosh for the NHS and stopping those queues of refugees from coming intoEngland's green and pleasant land.

Post by pensive hamsterDo you find it easy to dismiss the views of the IMF and the USA,predicting doom for the UK economy and the world economy if theUK leaves the EC?

That wasn't me predicting doom. It was the IMF and Barack Obama.

Whatever and whoever. I was just answering the question PH asked.

Post by The TodalYou may have noticed over the weekend that Donald Trump has decided toput the UK further back in the queue, behind the EU, when it comes toany trade deals made by the USA.

You mean the front lead of Saturday's Times? Yes, I read it, and neverhave I seen such a load of bollocks. There was not *one* single quote inthe article that supported the headline in any way whatsoever.

Post by pensive hamsterDo you find it easy to dismiss the views of the IMF and the USA,predicting doom for the UK economy and the world economy if theUK leaves the EC?

That wasn't me predicting doom. It was the IMF and Barack Obama.

Whatever and whoever. I was just answering the question PH asked.

Post by The TodalYou may have noticed over the weekend that Donald Trump has decided toput the UK further back in the queue, behind the EU, when it comes toany trade deals made by the USA.

You mean the front lead of Saturday's Times? Yes, I read it, and neverhave I seen such a load of bollocks. There was not *one* single quote inthe article that supported the headline in any way whatsoever.

Farage said on LBC today that he doesn't "believe it", so that's okaythen. I mean, as a close buddy of Trump and groom of the king's stool,he'd know.

Post by The TodalYou may have noticed over the weekend that Donald Trump has decided toput the UK further back in the queue, behind the EU, when it comes toany trade deals made by the USA.

You mean the front lead of Saturday's Times? Yes, I read it, and neverhave I seen such a load of bollocks. There was not *one* single quote inthe article that supported the headline in any way whatsoever.

Farage said on LBC today that he doesn't "believe it", so that's okaythen. I mean, as a close buddy of Trump and groom of the king's stool,he'd know.

More likely he did what I did, read the article and dismissed it asworthless propaganda. And (nod to PH) another example of groundlessdoom-mongering.

Post by pensive hamsterI can't remember anyone ever answering the question 'What end ofthe world scenarios did the Remainers allegedly report prior to theReferendum?'Let's suppose for the sake of argument there is a narrow Brexitvote and as predicted by just about every major source ofeconomic wisdom (PWC, LSE, IMF, OECD, Treasury, BoE etc.etc.) there is a sterling crisis, interest rates, unemployment andinflation shoot up, major players announce that they are shifting

their

Post by pensive hamsterfactories and or HQ's out of the UK), EU states announce importtariffs and bans (e.g. no UK lamb for France) and so on.

Oh I see, thanks. I wouldn't describe that as an end of the worldscenario though, it's quite a long way short of that. More like adose of economic flu.

Post by pensive hamsterDo you find it easy to dismiss the views of the IMF and the USA,predicting doom for the UK economy and the world economy if theUK leaves the EC?

That wasn't me predicting doom. It was the IMF and Barack Obama.You may have noticed over the weekend that Donald Trump has decided to putthe UK further back in the queue, behind the EU, when it comes to anytrade deals made by the USA.

after being asked the question 11 times before giving that answer

it is clear that he simply said what the other side wanted to hear so thathe didn't get asked the question for a 12th time

Post by pensive hamsterI can't remember anyone ever answering the question 'What end ofthe world scenarios did the Remainers allegedly report prior to theReferendum?'Let's suppose for the sake of argument there is a narrow Brexitvote and as predicted by just about every major source ofeconomic wisdom (PWC, LSE, IMF, OECD, Treasury, BoE etc.etc.) there is a sterling crisis, interest rates, unemployment andinflation shoot up, major players announce that they are shifting theirfactories and or HQ's out of the UK), EU states announce importtariffs and bans (e.g. no UK lamb for France) and so on.

Oh I see, thanks. I wouldn't describe that as an end of the worldscenario though, it's quite a long way short of that. More like adose of economic flu.

Post by pensive hamsterDo you find it easy to dismiss the views of the IMF and the USA,predicting doom for the UK economy and the world economy if theUK leaves the EC?

I don't want to speak for The Todal, but I'm pretty sure he wasusing the word "doom" in the sense of the phrase "doom andgloom" - "A general feeling of pessimism or despondency",rather than literally in the sense of "Death, destruction, or someother terrible fate."

Definitions from:https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/doom

So I don't think that counts as "an end of the world scenario",not unless you are deliberately misinterpreting what The Todalwrote.

Post by pensive hamsterI can't remember anyone ever answering the question 'What end ofthe world scenarios did the Remainers allegedly report prior to theReferendum?'Let's suppose for the sake of argument there is a narrow Brexitvote and as predicted by just about every major source ofeconomic wisdom (PWC, LSE, IMF, OECD, Treasury, BoE etc.etc.) there is a sterling crisis, interest rates, unemployment andinflation shoot up, major players announce that they are shifting theirfactories and or HQ's out of the UK), EU states announce importtariffs and bans (e.g. no UK lamb for France) and so on.

Oh I see, thanks. I wouldn't describe that as an end of the worldscenario though, it's quite a long way short of that. More like adose of economic flu.

Post by pensive hamsterDo you find it easy to dismiss the views of the IMF and the USA,predicting doom for the UK economy and the world economy if theUK leaves the EC?

I don't want to speak for The Todal, but I'm pretty sure he wasusing the word "doom" in the sense of the phrase "doom andgloom" - "A general feeling of pessimism or despondency",rather than literally in the sense of "Death, destruction, or someother terrible fate."https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/doomSo I don't think that counts as "an end of the world scenario",not unless you are deliberately misinterpreting what The Todalwrote.

Or you are. I just did what you asked - twice, in detail, and withprecise sources. Sorry to have wasted my valuable time.

Post by pensive hamsterI can't remember anyone ever answering the question 'What end ofthe world scenarios did the Remainers allegedly report prior to theReferendum?'Let's suppose for the sake of argument there is a narrow Brexitvote and as predicted by just about every major source ofeconomic wisdom (PWC, LSE, IMF, OECD, Treasury, BoE etc.etc.) there is a sterling crisis, interest rates, unemployment andinflation shoot up, major players announce that they are shifting theirfactories and or HQ's out of the UK), EU states announce importtariffs and bans (e.g. no UK lamb for France) and so on.

Oh I see, thanks. I wouldn't describe that as an end of the worldscenario though, it's quite a long way short of that. More like adose of economic flu.

Post by pensive hamsterDo you find it easy to dismiss the views of the IMF and the USA,predicting doom for the UK economy and the world economy if theUK leaves the EC?

I don't want to speak for The Todal, but I'm pretty sure he wasusing the word "doom" in the sense of the phrase "doom andgloom" - "A general feeling of pessimism or despondency",rather than literally in the sense of "Death, destruction, or someother terrible fate."https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/doomSo I don't think that counts as "an end of the world scenario",not unless you are deliberately misinterpreting what The Todalwrote.

Or you are. I just did what you asked - twice, in detail, and withprecise sources. Sorry to have wasted my valuable time.

Well, thanks for posting the quotes, anyway. I don't agreethat they represent end of the world scenarios, so I guesswe'll just have to agree to disagree.

Post by YellowI saw though that this latest venture is being crowd funded.

Ah, I hadn't noticed that. Many thanks. The page is here, and I've nowcontributed a hundred quid.https://www.gofundme.com/whats-best-for-britain

The page says -> We are a group of campaigners and public-minded peoplewho are crowdfunding to get people to use their vote tactically.I wonder how that is going they are going to do that? Pick theirpreferred candidate and then leaflet people? Will be interesting to seehow they go about it, and whether it works or whether it pisses peopleoff.

It certainly pisses me off but then, I don't count, I already have amind of my own.If I pretend for a moment I'm a dithering idiot and needed a push oneway or the other, oh go on then, it still pisses me off.

I suspect many will feel the same for the same reason, as reported, itpisses people of when the political parties talk about getting togetherto only stand one candidate in their constituency, so as not to splitthe vote.

It seems British folk inherently rebel to this sort of thing.

Post by OmegaI believe many of these radical campaigners simply don't think thingsthrough, not dissimilar from the end of the world scenarios theRemainers reported prior to the Referendum.As I've said elsewhere, I haven't had a lively interest in politics, thewhole of my adult life and my first vote ever was for Brexit in theReferendum.When they flew in the twat Obama to tell us all, with an arrogantsnigger on his jug eared countenance, "leave, and you go to the back ofthe queue", he marked my cross there and then!Miller will send hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, to the veryopposite camp she had hoped and all beautifully paid for, by The MaddingCrowd.Oh what glee!

Post by OmegaNeils', "Is this a rich womans' hobby" was mildly entertaining mind.

It was. :-)And of course he is right.But, before I get flamed, that doesn't mean it is not her right to dowhat she is doing.===Why would you be flamed??? Pah, they can flame me too in that case becauseI agree!

I could just see it coming. :-)I did think though it was a good interview, hearing what she had to say.But I did agree, as we have all said before, that her clear aim is tostop Brexit and all this "I just want it done right" bollocks is justthat - bollocks.She would be respected more, and probably get more support, if she washonest - not least because of the irony that her stance is that shewants to keep Mrs May "honest".

Post by YellowI don't know if you have come across Idris Francis? He runs a mailinggroup. He has politicians, businessmen et al in the group and Miller'scompany was investigated. I am afraid she isn't doing too well for all herboasts. It might be her husband who is financing some ofit, but it alsoseems there is group funding.

I saw though that this latest venture is being crowd funded.

Ah, I hadn't noticed that. Many thanks. The page is here, and I've nowcontributed a hundred quid.

money down the drain

whatever else your politics, surely you can see that a fund for"encouraging" tactical voting is never going to have any effect