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Sad, ain't it... this need for attention. Google "izanbardprince" and you'll see a trail of desperation and destruction on The Series of Tubes. I know it's boring in a trailer park but really, this is a bit much.

I can keep coming back as much as I want, thats the part they don't seem to understand.

They?

We understand that protecting an internet site is not easy. However, maybe, maybe, one day, you will realize the burden you're putting on those forums, just because of your stupid attitude. We are here because we have a devastating virus, but you don't seem to understand that. One day you will. Maybe when you get infected? I wish you not. But please step back and use the cells that are left in your brain and think about it. There are many other forums where you can rant about what your beliefs are. We are HIV positive, we have people on here that have been struggling with AIDS and thank God are still alive, so please let us deal with our problems, and if you have an ounce of dignity, leave the forums.

Sad, ain't it... this need for attention. Google "izanbardprince" and you'll see a trail of desperation and destruction on The Series of Tubes. I know it's boring in a trailer park but really, this is a bit much.

izprince said he has HIV. He refuses to go to a doctor though because (please take out tin foil hat) he thinks the government will tag with "HIV" or something and come after him. I can't recall his reasoning exactly, but it was something not particularly compelling. I guess when he's down to 5 t-cells he'll pop in the emergency room and let the tax payers fund his negligence.

izprince said he has HIV. He refuses to go to a doctor though because (please take out tin foil hat) he thinks the government will tag with "HIV" or something and come after him. I can't recall his reasoning exactly, but it was something not particularly compelling. I guess when he's down to 5 t-cells he'll pop in the emergency room and let the tax payers fund his negligence.

Well I hope it's not true. And if you read his late posts he saw a doctor. I believe he has not tested hiv positive, and he never saw a doctor. Maybe he's poz. But I don't think he tested.

It's just a little un-nerving to me to have to deal with his berating comments all the time. Does this regularly happen on here? I mean, I know I'm fairly new to this site, but I'm definitely not new to HIV. I tested poz in '88 and, believe me, I've heard all the chides. I live in Indiana also, and I'm actually embarrased to say that, being that Ryan lives here also. However, I don't live in a trailer (thank God) and I border South Bend, which I'm sure is much more "happening" than Hunington. Thanks, guys, for the support I've already gotten on here.

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It's just a little un-nerving to me to have to deal with his berating comments all the time. Does this regularly happen on here? I mean, I know I'm fairly new to this site, but I'm definitely not new to HIV. I tested poz in '88 and, believe me, I've heard all the chides. I live in Indiana also, and I'm actually embarrased to say that, being that Ryan lives here also. However, I don't live in a trailer (thank God) and I border South Bend, which I'm sure is much more "happening" than Hunington. Thanks, guys, for the support I've already gotten on here.

Betty, it's been happening a bit lately. He's only the latest. A month ago we had the pleasure of The Unholy Trilogy that lasted about 3 months, but Jesus Loved Us just enough to finally go away. Probably to play with Keisha.

I was even the brunt of a nasty blog that was posted for a few hours (I didn't see it but others did) with some kind of picture trashing me and some other board members. All this from someone who freaked out when he was diagnoses and would post 20 thread each day and we'd all religiously try and help calm him down. Yeah, that's the thanks we get around here for lending support. I guess we're all just suckers or something.

In the end, this thread have been funny indeed. But it has also illustrated a big issue nowadays: migration, cultural differences, linguistic barriers... and discrimination, fear to others, to different people in the end. We are not out of that, this affects also us, HIV+ people.

Someone has talked about social protection and the use migrant do of social help and economical aids... well, maybe if migrants were living in the same conditions than natives would need much less or none social fund support.

We should also think about that most of us, comfortably living in our own country, would refuse to do some jobs such as picking up fruits, farming, cleaning, being waitress or waiters, taxi drivers, construction workers, sex workers, night shifts, dangerous works and so on... and, if someones of we do, we know then, how hard is living that way

For sure, very few of us would accept to work by the same salary and under the same conditions than migrants do. In many ways, they are funding our economies because a lot of private companies, big and small, are taking good benefit of workers doing the job with much less rights and gaining much less money, and much less demanding because they're vulnerable. That's in the end, in fact, a fund transference to private sector in the form of lowcost protection-lacking workforce.

We should also think why a person leaves his/her country, with nothing in the hands, under their own life risk, leaving family and friends back, just to go to another country to work very badly paid and being discriminated.

Why do people crosses oceans, deserts, walls to get some money? I am afraid they do have a very good reason to do this. And this is not new, this has been happening always in the past and will happen again in the future. Maybe in a couple of centuries people from New York or Chicago will cross the mexican, or even the chinese borders, to search for a job or for better life conditions, or just simply to keep alive... who knows!!!

In my case, my family migrated to Latin America from Spain after spanish civil war and 2nd world war, due to both, political and economical reasons, and then they came back to Spain when things got better, and know, many years after, we are seeing a lot of people coming here, from the same countries that hosted us in the past, to search for a better life... History has its own swings and we never now in wich situation we will be in the future.

And, about social care and funding, we should also think about us. Maybe a lot of people is thinking about why help, fund and spend money to take care of HIV people. Maybe a lot of people could be thinking we are also taking profit of social programmes and we do not deserve it. And we all know very well we need or may need help and, of course, we do deserve the help and support, just simply because we have also contributed to help and support the others.

Alberche, the big problem in the US is simply that we do not have a "guest worker" program like they do in other countries, so that migrant workers are documented, there's an element of security, etc. and then the migrant can return to his home country easily. Canada has something like this and I believe most other Western countries do too. Of course, the US has a bit of a different situation in that we share a long +3000 km border with another country that has a wildly different economic situation.

Mexico has the highest GDP in Latin America, yet so many of their country men are lured to the US. That's what folks here seem to forget: LURED. The US economy has propped itself up for a century with this unofficial work force that it feels it can tap into whenever it is need for menial work. It's a large reason that our economy does well, but the conservatives here freak out when a bunch of Brown Folk™ upset the racial balance of a town in Nebraska that was 99% white to begin with... that's the basics of the issue.

Of course, they all scream that al Qaeda members are spilling over the border but they seem to forget they can do that on our northern border just as easy... or row a canoe up to the shore in Oregon. Nothing but a smokescreen... they're afraid the Mexicans are trying to reclaim lost territory that once made up half of the Mexican Repbulic... or something.

Geesh, no one has any problem with legal immigrants. What we do have a problem with are illegals. The ones that don't pay taxes, burden the school systems and our health care system. Now who is going to be the first to complain, when your ADAP is not funded, Ryan White is not funded due to the increase of health care costs to cover illegals? You complain now that there is not money allocated for the programs now. We have waiting lists for people to get aid. How about the school systems. How about the food stamp programs. Is Mexico supporting those illegals, are they paying their health care and food stamps, no the US tax payer is having to foot the bills. Should they have to learn English? Yes, you ever tried to ask any foreigner that can not speak English that was involved in an autocrash where they hurt, are they on medication, are they allergic to any meds. Don't tell us we should be the bilingual person. If I lived in Mexico, I'm sure I would be expected to learn Spanish.

There is a legal way to enter the US and there is an illegal way. The ones that are here illegally, should be shipped back and be put at the end of the line behind the ones that are trying to come here legally. Philly what does a guest worker program have to do with the burden they are putting on social services, medical services and schools? You tally up what it costs the tax payers to support 10 million illegal immigrants. If we are going to support anyone, support the poor here in the US first.

Philly what does a guest worker program have to do with the burden they are putting on social services, medical services and schools? You tally up what it costs the tax payers to support 10 million illegal immigrants. If we are going to support anyone, support the poor here in the US first.

Show me the figures with factual links. I've read several analysis where they figure things in like the fact that immigrants are paying into the system and the disparity in what's not realized by society is rather minimal. For example, when they rent an apartment like ANY other citizen part of rent pays property taxes via the landlords. Therefore they've just paid into the school system. Also, when they get their jobs here illegally many/most use someone else's SS number, which they pay taxes towards... YET THEY NEVER REALIZE ANY OF THE MONEY FROM THIS LATER IN LIFE. Do you realize that when the IRS keeps their books yearly there's this slush fund of money that illegals have paid into the system that they can not hook up with a proper SS number?

You can't look at the numbers in such a simplistic fashion. And tell me, dearest Rapid Ron, who will be doing all the jobs that the 10 million illegals are currently doing? Also, consider something simple like how much shopping 10 million illegals do at, for example, our largest retailer Walmart. What happens when those 10 million disappear? Walmart's close, their employees lose their jobs, and then they're all on unemployment.

THAT is why nothing will be done, no matter how much you're annoyed at the sudden influx of Mexicans and Guatamalans in Ohio.

It's simple supply and demand. If the US economy needs the labor because the jobs are there for migrant workers then I'd say yes. Frankly cultural changes don't interest me, and that's always at the heart of the ant-immigration arguments on the right... oh, they cloak it all effectively under the omg!9/11!spread'em! screams but be yea not deceived.

Supply and demand.... that's all it is.

Consider this too: are you willing for food prices to rise say 20% across the board when all of the little brown ones are rounded up and sent home? Same with hotel rates, same with landscaping, same with everything these people do. There's a reason that US prices on average are much lower than in Europe and Japan: the little brown ones.

If it was explained in these economic terms to the trailer park folks that scream about Mexicans their inherent cheapness would kick in and they'd chose to keep the lower prices they pay to live.