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What are they saved from? (it is not always with eternal life in Scripture).

How does Scripture say they can stay saved ?

What does JESUS SAY they have to do to STAY SAVED ?

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I don't know, enlighten me please...?

The first two "Jesus" (and God and the Holy Spirit), ect... and the third, "Hell"... and the fourth...? what I glean or extract from the message of scripture is "keep walking in faith or keeping the covenant of faith, and the commandment to Love", and/or that might, or probably will require being "born again", ect also...? By dying or having to die, or go through a process of dying, (to (self, flesh) ect also...? Ect...

The first two "Jesus" (and God and the Holy Spirit), ect... and the third, "Hell"... and the fourth...? what I glean or extract from the message of scripture is "keep walking in faith or keeping the covenant of faith, and the commandment to Love", and/or that might, or probably will require being "born again", ect also...? By dying or having to die, or go through a process of dying, (to (self, flesh) ect also...? Ect...

Is it possible for one to "fall away" from, or lose salvation once saved, and what does "falling away" mean...? What does it look like...?

Can we define who is one who is, or has, "fallen away"...?

Discussion...?

God Bless!

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Demas fell away. Judas fell away. The prodigal son fell away. Ananias and Sapphira in a sense, fell away. One cannot fall away from something that he/she was never a part of. Only genuine believers can fall away from the faith.

Is it possible for one to "fall away" from, or lose salvation once saved, and what does "falling away" mean...? What does it look like...?

Can we define who is one who is, or has, "fallen away"...?

Discussion...?

God Bless!

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Of course one could lose their Salvation—- If Jesus is a liar.
Personally, I think Jesus spoke the Truth when He made this promise—“Those that Believe in the Son HATH Eternal Life and shall NEVER come into condemnation”.Do you Legalists understand what “ never” means?

"Only those who never were true believers to begin with, (can) (I meant) but proposed to be (real true professing God following) (and supposedly God-fearing) anyway, proposed to be genuine believers maybe...? In that case, where would we find them...? and how would we identify them...?

A person will not take the mark who is a believer and if one is tempted to, more than likely God will either give them grace to resist or will take their life.

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If a believer will not take the mark then why is there a warning against doing so? The warning would be senseless if such a thing were not possible for a believer to do. Are you 100% certain that you would not do so under extreme duress/persecution? Do you have crystal ball? Don't forget that Peter also was 100% sure that he would never deny Jesus and yet we know that he denied Jesus not once but three times. Furthermore, explain to me why you wouldn't take the mark? After all, you believe you can't lose your salvation no matter what so go ahead and take it right?

If a believer will not take the mark then why is there a warning against doing so? The warning would be senseless if such a thing were not possible for a believer to do. Are you 100% certain that you would not do so under extreme duress/persecution? Do you have crystal ball? Don't forget that Peter also was 100% sure that he would never deny Jesus and yet we know that he denied Jesus not once but three times. Furthermore, explain to me why you wouldn't take the mark? After all, you believe you can't lose your salvation no matter what so go ahead and take it right?

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The place I am at right now, if I knew about it before taking it, I think I'd just rather die, but... No, I cannot be 100% certain though...

"Only those who never were true believers to begin with, (can) (I meant) but proposed to be (real true professing God following) (and supposedly God-fearing) anyway, proposed to be genuine believers maybe...? In that case, where would we find them...? and how would we identify them...?

And are they the wolves among sheep or in sheep's clothing...?

God Bless!

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No; even if someone proposed or claimed to be a believer but never was - how can he/she fall away from the faith if he/she were never a part of the faith? That does not make sense. Only genuinely saved believers can depart from the faith that they once belonged to. That is why the scriptures repeatedly call for believers to endure and persevere in the faith. By their fruit, you shall know them.

The place I am at right now, if I knew about it before taking it, I think I'd just rather die, but... No, I cannot be 100% certain though...

God Bless!

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You are right. Since we are not omniscient, none of us can be 100% certain that we would never accept the mark. The most we can say is that we HOPE we would never do so - even under persecution and the threat of death. Better to die as a martyr as many of the precious saints have done in the past.

So, do they end up in Heaven or Hell? It's my current stand that believers are forgiven for their relapse into "lack of faith", but I've not researched the topic enough to reach a conclusion, not even gone through the links above. I've never seen anyone with faith "fall away" from it very far. Often people will leave a church but believers usually remain believers. Some claim to have left the faith, but I never know if they are talking about an actual relationship with God, or just a bunch of stuff they were taught about attending church being their salvation. Which was not correct in the first place.

I've never seen anyone with faith "fall away" from it very far. Often people will leave a church but believers usually remain believers. Some claim to have left the faith, but I never know if they are talking about an actual relationship with God, or just a bunch of stuff they were taught about attending church being their salvation. Which was not correct in the first place.

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Good point(s) and questions...? At which point does it become what, or whatever...?