just lurking wrote:OK Kiszla -- I will bite. What is the Broncos record with early round defensive line candidates? How about their record with early round line players period. Really, I do not know. Despite the obvious question, your column does not cover this either. If defensive line is the right answer today, what does history tell us? My hunch is that about half are busts. Can Elway and company afford to take such chances in this draft?

So do you prefer they take a chance on a QB that won't see the field for 3-5 years? QB's and RB's are just as big of busts as DL....

Actually I would be surprised if they even touch a QB in the draft. I assume Elway will be looking not just for the coming season, but also for where we will be sitting with personnel after the end of the season. The draft may be deep in defensive line, but probably 3 or perhaps 4 will go before the Broncos even pick. Best available may be a bit overused, but ...

I am thinking more of a TE since with two on the field for most plays, they are going to get worked pretty hard. Meh.

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I do agree w/ Kiz that defense needs to be priority . But then , Bronco fans know this .So what we are wondering , is how EFX is going to play the draft ?

I just want to echo the sentiment that others have already brought up . Fox and Del Rio are going to be making their cases , and I am sure Elway has more than enough common sense to listen to them . He knows the value of a strong defense . Remember , he re-structured his contract , so we could get Neil Smith from the Chiefs.

The reason Pat Bowlen hired John , was to clean up the mess , Mchoodie the Arrogant, made .Last year The Broncos surpassed our expectations , and we are readying for one of the most promising seasons we've seen for a LONG time .

I imagine a few more tricks are up EFX's sleeve . I for one , hope that any defensive guys we get , can handle the pressure . Von was the exception , but he made a few goofs and got benched . Rookies are unknowns , and success in college doesn't guarantee NFL greatness .( ask Leaf and Russell ) So is the season here yet ?

Denver needs to draft a QB that can learn from Payton while Payton is still around. I expect Denver will use their first round pick to drop the best QB left in the draft. Kiszla again shows his lack of football acumen.

darrylg wrote:I do agree w/ Kiz that defense needs to be priority . But then , Bronco fans know this .So what we are wondering , is how EFX is going to play the draft ?

I just want to echo the sentiment that others have already brought up . Fox and Del Rio are going to be making their cases , and I am sure Elway has more than enough common sense to listen to them . He knows the value of a strong defense . Remember , he re-structured his contract , so we could get Neil Smith from the Chiefs.

The reason Pat Bowlen hired John , was to clean up the mess , Mchoodie the Arrogant, made .Last year The Broncos surpassed our expectations , and we are readying for one of the most promising seasons we've seen for a LONG time .

I imagine a few more tricks are up EFX's sleeve . I for one , hope that any defensive guys we get , can handle the pressure . Von was the exception , but he made a few goofs and got benched . Rookies are unknowns , and success in college doesn't guarantee NFL greatness .( ask Leaf and Russell ) So is the season here yet ?

Von was the exception , but he made a few goofs and got benched .

Really? The only time Von was benched was when he had his thumb in a cast and he wasn't as effective as without. Maybe you are thinking of someone else....

darrylg wrote:I do agree w/ Kiz that defense needs to be priority . But then , Bronco fans know this .So what we are wondering , is how EFX is going to play the draft ?

I just want to echo the sentiment that others have already brought up . Fox and Del Rio are going to be making their cases , and I am sure Elway has more than enough common sense to listen to them . He knows the value of a strong defense . Remember , he re-structured his contract , so we could get Neil Smith from the Chiefs.

The reason Pat Bowlen hired John , was to clean up the mess , Mchoodie the Arrogant, made .Last year The Broncos surpassed our expectations , and we are readying for one of the most promising seasons we've seen for a LONG time .

I imagine a few more tricks are up EFX's sleeve . I for one , hope that any defensive guys we get , can handle the pressure . Von was the exception , but he made a few goofs and got benched . Rookies are unknowns , and success in college doesn't guarantee NFL greatness .( ask Leaf and Russell ) So is the season here yet ?

Von was the exception , but he made a few goofs and got benched .

Really? The only time Von was benched was when he had his thumb in a cast and he wasn't as effective as without. Maybe you are thinking of someone else....

He did spend some time on the bench for missing assignments early on in the season... but at that point, he had only been in the league for like 5 minutes. First time he saw a Broncos practice was barely more than a month earlier when training camp started. Haven't heard of him getting benched for screwups late in the season. He was injured... and you could tell when he wasn't in the lineup.

Remember, the playoff game was not Tebows fault. New England scored the first six times they had the ball. There was never a chance. Manning will need the defense not to get stomped, so he has a chance.

Well said Kiz.My concern with getting Manning was abandoning the "build thru the draft" mantra that has been fed to us since this regime took over and I totally agree with. Don't get me wrong, am all for Manning to have success here, but not at the expense of blowing up drafts and loosing sight of the long term. If Elway means what he said bout staying on course, than that's perfect......but like you said, no new fancy toys on the first night please.

Who knows who the Bronc's will take in this years draft. What I want to know is how they will get Barkley next year? Suck for Luck didn't work so maybe we need a bust for Barkley year? Or Barf for Barkley or Bad for Barkley or Blow it for Barkley???? Manning only has a few years left and by the time the Bronc's put a team around him that can win it all it will be retirement party time. They need to be focusing on the future franchise HOF QB for the Broncos.

broncosteviep wrote:When is the last time we had a late round pick make a pro bowl? I honestly can't remember. Even last year all of our picks after the second round did not do squat for us. Last year was Elway's first year, so I will give him a pass, but if this year's draft class is as useless as last years....then maybe he should be looking to see of the Goodmans would come back.

Last year's draft class was useless? Now who's being a Vino.

If you read my post.....you would see that after the second round I said all of our picks were busts. Heck if you included Moore...then even part of our second round was a bust. 2 of our picks were cut during training camp.

First, how do you declare any late round picks busts after one season? Late round guys typically aren't NFL starters as they sit, which is why they are late round guys.

Second, Quinton Carter appeared in all 16 games and had 56 tackles. As a fourth round pick, how does that make him a bust?

Third, how do we know what is up with the two tight end picks when one was hurt all year and we threw the ball less than 20 times a game?

Add all rookie free agent Harris and we have four reasonably productive rookies from 2011 while the Jury is out on Moore who showed the necessary physical skills and time will tell if he has the brains to play. We will see what happens with Green and Thomas now that the offense will be more pass oriented.

Wait and see before declaring this class a bunch of busts. Sure Vino wouldn't have that sort of patience. But you might want to try it.

I hope they get better Matt, I really do, but Irving could not beat out Mays. Carter was terrible, but less terrible than Moore so he SEEMED like an upgrade. Thomas did not start and I don't believe he had a catch. Mohammed was cut. Beal was cut. And Green blocked. That's not very good. I didn't see anything from any of them that would lead me to believe they will get better, but I hope I am wrong. When you see players that make the pro-bowl from other teams that get drafted after round 2...and we don't have any (and have had any in a long time) it it frustrating.

"Fans" that are SO happy with their team haven't posted since:Broncorusader last post 10/30 fan since 1976 and not happy we are winning?BroncoVino last post 12/8? He is a fan of the Broncos?Winorgetout last post 11/23? Fan since 1974?

chucketuna wrote:Remember, the playoff game was not Tebows fault. New England scored the first six times they had the ball. There was never a chance. Manning will need the defense not to get stomped, so he has a chance.

And every time they did the Blessed Virgin knelt and muttered, "Thank you JEEZUS!"

Manning warned a group of reporters to "watch out" as he hurled passes into the end zone.

"Even the wobblers hurt when they hit you in the head," Manning said pointing to his helmet.

Everybody talks about "holes" on the defense!! However, it was the defense that won a few games last season and kept us close in others. People have to remember that the Timmy Teebs #15 led offense was last in the NFL In 3rd down efficiency!!! Because of Timmy Teeb's #15 inability to move the chains, the defense was on the field more than they should've been. The biggest hole on the defense was filled when we signed #18.

Spiders are bad wrote:Why doesn't the Denver Post run any stories about the utterly classless comments DT made about Tebow today. embarassing, shameful and no class.

LOL...I read the article in the Huffington Post and only Tebow-Lunatics and the #15Crazies out there would be offended!!! Thomas spoke the truth...that's all. He didn't bash Teebs....he only said that he's not sorry that #15 is gone! Is there a reason why he should be sorry????

He also said that #15 has a chance to be good but he needs to work on reading defenses. Thomas also confirmed what every sane and rational football observer knows...Thomas said that there were plenty of receivers open last year. #15 just couldn't get the ball to the open man. Why is that embarrassing, shameful or no class????