President Obama wins re-election, will preside over BlackBerry 10 era

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06 Nov 2012, 23:50posted on

Once one of the most famous proponents of BlackBerry, President Barack Obama has won a second term which means he will be presiding over the BlackBerry 10 era; RIM is expected to launch its new OS sometime in the first quarter...

I didn't put any faith in him. I have no faith in him. That said, it's not like I had much for Romney either. It's like that South Park election episode where the school mascot election was down to a douche or a turd sandwich.......either way, the winner is just not good.....

No. He's a terrible president. Not more terrible than Bush, but terrible. Continuing wars, imprisoning Bradley Manning, pushing for "reforms" which are worse than the already s**tty status quo. There is not a single remarkable good thing he has done.

You have a right to that opinion, I just can't agree. The man isn't perfect by any means, but 4 years to clean up 30 years worth of crap is all he gets??? How about we see how far this recovery goes, see where the country stands, then judge him based on all 8 years of his presidency. I realize a lot of people will never give him credit for the millions of jobs he saved, the millions of jobs he's help to create, nor the millions of lives he will save with "Obamacare". But he's accomplished more in 4 years than some of his predecessor could accomplish in 8. But I'm not trying to argue, I'm just really happy Obama is still president.

Really? You are that uninformed??? Both Obama & Romney BOTH support indefinite detention of American Citizens through the NDAA sec 1031b without legal counsel or trial, Both support kill lists of American Citizens for connection of "terrorism" which can be anyone who disagrees with federal gov policy claiming a link to "terrorism", both are in support of some of the most basic violations of the natural rights of man.

How can you determine if someone is a "terrorist" if you haven't tried them in a court of law, how could you have a kill list and completely violate the rule of law by not arresting someone who has been accused and giving them a proper trial and just killing them instead.

The day has come where those Americans who TRULY believe in Liberty HAVE BECOME the enemy of the State because the State has become the enemy of Liberty.

Give me a break. You talk with such ignorance. This President and the President before were entire jokes to the founding principles located in the Declaration of Independence. You should read it some time... but, as the saying goes, MOST people don't want Liberty, they only want security and are willing to forgo their Liberty in place of security! Thomas Jefferson in a letter Dated Jan 1787 to James Madison said "I prefer dangerous Liberty to peaceful servitude". I AGREE!!!

Ben Franklin also noted that anyone who would give up essential Liberty for temporary security, deserves neither Liberty or security and will lose both.

Here's another quote from Patrick Henry: - - - - -
“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.” - - - - - -

But people like you support an Obama, or a Romney... wow, how far away from the principles of Liberty this country has come. To say we are doomed is an understatement.

Liberty is NEVER won with an election. It's something that lives in the hearts of the People of ANY location on this Earth or in this Universe.

Judge Learned Hand said:
"Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it; no constitution, no law, no court can even do much to help it."

Again, this is WHY it DID NOT matter if Romney or Obama won. Neither of those candidates are even worthy of the Presidency. The most worthy possible candidate would have been Ron Paul.

John Adams wrote:
---The moment the idea is admitted into society, that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If "Thou shalt not covet," and "Thou shalt not steal," were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society, before it can be civilized or made free. ---

I would say we are already there. Government HAS become the biggest vehicle of theft and abuse of power used by the ruling class. Government has become the BIGGEST violator of the rights of Property. Which, for all intensive purposes, means that the Government itself has become Anarchic...

Another 4 years of the decline of Liberty and Freedom. Elections have become like sporting events.

Daniel Webster Jun 1, 1837 wrote:
“I apprehend no danger to our country from a foreign foe . . . Our destruction, should it come at all, will be from another quarter. From the inattention of the people to the concerns of their government, from their carelessness and negligence, I must confess that I do apprehend some danger. I fear that they may place too implicit a confidence in their public servants, and fail properly to scrutinize their conduct; that in this way they may be made the dupes of designing men, and become the instruments of their own undoing. Make them intelligent, and they will be vigilant; give them the means of detecting the wrong, and they will apply the remedy.”

Again, how true and prophetic. To say i'm disappointed in this political system is an understatement. We have become the ruled, not the rulers, we have become the servants to government, not government serving the people, we have become the EXACT opposite to the original intent of the Declaration of Independence. What more is there to say???

One more thing, THERE IS NO RECOVERY --- OPEN YOUR EYES to THAT FACT!!!!

And what he has accomplished in 4 years is helping to BRING THE DEBT LEVEL OF THIS GOVERNMENT to a ridiculous unsustainable level where COLLAPSE of the financial system is INEVITABLE. Can't wait to see what you say when that happens!

Here's a hint for you .... DEBT IS NOT WEALTH!!!
Just because he creates more debt to give you an ILLUSION there is some sort of recovery, doesn't mean there's a recovery. THERE IS NO REAL RECOVERY! The system was built on debt and is in the process of collapsing... Creating debt is NOT creating wealth. They are OPPOSITES!

Responsibility is an Individual thing. That's why Liberty and Responsibility go hand in hand. You are judging this event like a sporting event. As you said, "Lets see what happens with all 8 years" ???? Really... you are def part of the problem. If the first 4 weren't enough to convince you there is a problem here... another 4 surely won't serve us any better...

MAN! you are so RIGHT! and just wait, the WORST is yet to come! and 'thick-headed' americans DO NOT know better! they only like the TUNE that FART Obama's stench is giving off! btw,, i noticed how many thumbs down you have, but you tell the truth and most people dont like to hear the truth! but they love Obama's stench!

Truly Obama isn't the problem and if you think he is then you're a ignorant fool.. It's the political game period.. Whether it's Romney, Obama, Joe blow whoever.. Regardless of the person in office the issues we're dealing with are gonna take more than 8yrs to fix. If each president believes that the last one before them wasn't doing a good job and changes the policies to what they feel is adequate and sufficient for the people it is only gonna do more harm than help. Think about this each president has their own agenda and some don't have the everyday person best interest at heart. The goverment is nothing more than a tool used to manipulate and dictate rules and regulations that they don't feel apply to them.. Stop blaming one person when it should be the system you question..

Seriously? We have lost net jobs under this administration, and the net gain/loss is all that matters. He may have created x amount of jobs, but when you lose y amount of jobs, and y > x, it sucks. And don't get me started on "Obamacare". In my family I've already seen the effects of Obamacare, and the results aren't good.

I just have to disagree with your entire statement man. That is your opinion, and you are more than welcom to it, but I do disagree.

and praytell what are these effects? I really do wonder. I have seen the effects too. I have seen my wife get the ability to be covered under my insurance from having previously been on her mom's insurance BECAUSE the insurance company could not deny her coverage anymore, thanks to Obamacare. Im really curious to see how Obamacare has screwed you over, since its been a boon for us.

Yea, I am serious. I go on the facts as I see them, not the slants, spin or talking points. But I'm sure you believe what you've heard are facts as well. We may not agree on what's true or right for this country, but I respect your approach. You didn't call anyone stupid or insult anyone, so +1 to you for that alone. Even though we disagree, LOL.

Insulting people accomplishes nothing but engendering hate and discouraging meaningful discussion. Meaningful discussion and respect for other people's opinions are two things that many people these days are greatly lacking.

I honestly use my dad for reliable sources on a lot of things, since he is retired and most of what he does is study politics as well as sports for our alma mater. My dad is probably identifies with the Libertarian party more than anything, as do I. He's also probably the most honest person I know.

wrong, "Obamacare" has already proven to save lives for people that couldnt previously get insurance. He repealed DADT. He got us out of Iraq like he promised. The american auto industry is strong again when at the time he took oath, they were on the brink of collapse. Obviously he has done SOME good things. Many not as many as we had hoped, we can argue about why that is all day long, but you cant take away the things I mentioned above.

My mother, father, and stepfather are both paying more for doctor's visits since Obamacare came into the picture. Treatment has gone up for them, and they have worked hard and served in the military.

I'm glad to hear it has helped some people, but as with most things, this is a double-edged sword. There are two sides to it, and one side can help some, while the other side hurts others.

As for the auto industry, I'll have to check some figures, but Ford seems to be doing well, and THEY DID NOT TAKE A DIME OF GOV'T MONEY! As for GM, they are still partially owned by the Feds. Last time I checked, gov't owned business aren't supposed to exist under our form of gov't.

Businesses must be allowed to stand or fall on their own practices. When a company becomes "Too big to fail", we have a serious problem. That said, the "too big to fail" problems when the housing bubble crashed were largely due to Congress and some seriously bad ideas that permeated both democrat and republican.

I'm done with this. Too much politics in the last 24 hours. I need a bottle of (insert alcohol here) and some comedies to take my mind off of this mess for a night.

See, that's what I mean. The misinformation that people are putting just because they don't like the president is simply astounding. Do you realize that it doesn't go into effect until 2014? How could they possibly be paying more for a law that will not go into effect for another year and some months? Their prices are rising because the insurance companies are plain old greedy.

And GM paid back the loan. The Feds are not in the business of making cars. I agree that the housing bubble is a 50/50 split because all the warning signs were ignored by people on both sides. But everything else is totally off.

Well, for years now Americans have been choosing who they believe is the "lesser of two evils". Why can't we actually choose someone who we genuinely believe is good for us? Why do we believe that our choice should only be between two people from two parties?

It would be like saying you only have a choice between a Coca-Cola or a Pepsi when you would really much rather have a Dr. Pepper.

So long as we continue the two-party system, the longer we are going to just be choosing the lesser of two evils.

The trouble is that there are differing opinions on what is good for us. There are those who think somehow that Obama is anything other than a bad president, and those who somehow think that Romney would be better. Then there are those with logic who realize that if anybody in power will do some good, it's a Libertarian candidate. The trouble there is that Libertarians piss off Democrats in an economic sense and piss off Republicans in a social sense. They make almost nobody happy even though they're the closest to being a good thing for the country that we have.

Why thank you. I voted Johnson and I'm proud. Obama was the worst president in history... period. His reelection shows us just how STUPID the american public is..

And for all the republicans out there. You were up against a president with a worse record than Carter. By all judgements, Obama is the worst president in history. .without exception.. yet he was still electable and even won... Instead of blaming everyone else (they are stupid after all), you should look at why your platform cant even win against a moron, with quite literally american history's worst record.

Well, remixfa, it's not that black and white. While I believe the Federal Reserve is largely to be credited to the inflated economy numbers (DJI being at around 13,000 and the artificial increase in investment), it makes it look like it was Obama's doing. Hurricane Sandy also affected how people saw Obama as a leader. Then there was the poor debate performance by Romney in the second and third debates. So, I wouldn't say that was really the GOP as a whole's fault but more so it was poor choice of a candidate and just events that happened that people placed misdirected praise towards.

However, I will say that I too voted for Gary Johnson. I originally wanted to see Ron Paul win the nomination, but I just couldn't let myself vote between two people who really are the same person.

21.XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)

I think its quite easy to overlook the fact that bush was indeed the worst president in american history and given the fact that he pretty much "handed" obama a pile of mess to clean up after him, It is very easy to say "obama was no good and didnt do anything for us" but much harder to accept the truth that it really isnt his fault for "inheriting" such a problem as great as what bush left him.......Maybe somethings he has done was his fault no doubt but to put "all" the blame on just a man under that much pressure is just plain wrong bro......and I think we all know that but somehow refuse to admit it

Weak argument... Bush left a pile of crap, yup. Obama has done more to contribute to the pile of crap than to clean it up. He's gonna add more to it over then next four years. Romney would have added to it too.

23.XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)

well until america learns that the president is not "God" and start looking "to" God, to help the president WE (america) not obama, will continue to "add" to that pile of mess......peace to you bro and good night

looking "to" God is part of the reason we are where we are. We looked "to" God to elect dubya, on his stance for things like pro life. And how many laws did he propose, mcuh less pass, during his 2 terms for this? 0. How many did the GOP try to pass during his 2 terms? 0. How many since Obama's one term? Over 30. Why? GOP only cares about this issue to get in power, to get them elected. Once they are elected, they dont give a rip. The sooner you christians can realize this and back a candidate on the real issues rather than who says they're the most god fearing, the better off this country can be.

Xperia-Knight, I think you need to add "inherited from Bush and a Democratic-controlled legislature" and I will agree with your statement. Don't forget, from the beginning of 2007 on, it was the Democrats who were creating laws.

Also, I understand that it's hard to deal with things that happened under a previous president, but it doesn't excuse yourself from having to do something about it. The truth of the matter is, the Democrats had control over both houses of Congress and the presidency for 2 years, but if you just look at what all they passed in those 2 years it was really nothing. In fact, the only ones you really hear about are the Healthcare Law and Dodd-Frank. Saturday Night Live, which as you know is normally more liberal minded considering what city they are in, even joked about what very little the Democrats passed in those 2 years. The deficit is still rising. We are still involved in foreign conflicts (Obama even involved our forces, though not ground forces, in Libya). Religious institutions are having to violate their conscience in offering something they morally object to. The NDAA was passed with a new law that allows the president to arrest any U.S. citizen he believes is involved with terrorism (with terrorism being very loosely defined). I mean these are serious issues that a lot of people don't really think about.

So, while I don't blame any one man for events that are outside of his control, I do hold the man to the fire that he created himself.

25.XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)

and right fully so Phil........but if you read my post again i did, infact say, he did somethings on his own, as did AND do, every other president AND every other man or women do things (mess up) on there own .....As good fella said, romney would have done the same......maybe not done what obama did in particular but any other president in his shoes would have done something that america would be enraged about........So the question is, if "man" is not the answer to americas delimma then what or WHO is?

I think GoodFella was trying to point out that Gary Johnson wouldn't have. I'm not going to make any assumptions though, so I'll let him clarify that.

If you honestly believe that Obama adds more to the pile as well as Romney, then why would you have voted for Obama? Why not put your vote towards someone else? I think that's the point we are trying to get at.

27.XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)

true but the point im making is that any other person will surely not "fix" america, as america seems to think.....the hole we are in is too deep for just one man to climb us out of........It will take america as a whole to put forth "effort" and the rest we must leave up to God.....Yes its true that america may get worse over these next four years but that's because america refuses to humble themselves and let God do what a man is unable to do........not because Obama or Romney isnt "fixing" us......Obama is there for americas sake not just for one area of america like, JUST THE UPPER CLASS, or "just" the middle class.......Hes there For AMERICA but once again he is NOT GOD.....so we must humble our selves and acknowledge God or we will continue to spiral downward

"Religious institutions are having to violate their conscience in offering something they morally object to." - Oh, but its fine that they can contribute to political candidates? That turns them into PACs, which means its time to tax them.

Thanks for your expert Karl Rovian analysis with mature name-calling. But I think your opinion is best on issues relating to tech. I don't think the "everyone is an idiot except me" argument holds water anymore. Your path to T-Mobile began under the previous administration, not the current one.

The best thing that could possibly happen with this country imo is for the states to take back a majority of the powers of the federal gov't. The federal gov't was never intended to be the supreme power in this country, yet has figured out how to become just that.

I say this b/c what is good and right for someone in, say, California, may not be the same thing for someone in, say, Mississippi, Ohio, or any other state.

I don't have all the answers to how to do this, nor do I have a political science degree, but the states were meant to have more power than the federal gov't. Our founding fathers feared an all powerful federal gov't, and at this point, that is pretty much what we have.

Perhaps. In matters such as economic, I agree with you, states should have the rights over the federal government. But when it comes to basic human rights like healthcare, and civil rights such as the right to get married ot same sex couples, states should have NO say on this, as doing so is a violation of the very first line of the declaration of independence, the document that birthed our nation.

As far as marijuana, I think that should be a state level thing, since its an economic issue.

I actually agree totally with that statement. As for healthcare, I do think some form of healthcare should be affordable to all, but one I just don't think this is it. If it has helped you, awesome, but at the same time, I already see it raising a larger burden on my parents for their needs in healthcare.

Who cares about BB10, Obama won and now we're in for a struggle. Im not really sure why the media sugarcoats our economy as doing better but in all reality its not. We're seeing companies such as Best Buy, RadioShack, HH Gregg, and Kmart/Sears far worse off now than 4 years ago. Even Amazon and WalMart had legit declines in their electronics department.

Unfortunately that's not all friends..

Now that Obama outspent Bush in half the time, we WILL see higher taxes. Even for us low income folk that are struggling more than ever. Obama's plan is yo raise taxes upto $3,500 even on the poor. But wait there's more! If your married like me and you don't have a lot of money (like me), you probably won't qualify for any kind of free healthcare once Obamacare takes affect. I won't

The testament of how good or bad a president truly is will only be determined a minimum of 20 years after his term. In the age we live in we expect everything instantaneously but that's not how it works in the real world. Short term fixes do not work. We need long term solutions which I believe Obama is working towards.

I'm not a democrat or republican just annoyed that people who voted for Bush a second term are crying about Obama. HIstory will show Obama to be a good president in his first term and hopefully more so in his second term.

What happened to flag waving nutcases saying Bush is our president, show some respect and if you don't like it you can get out? Well I grant those people the same courtesy.

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