sent him in the first place. >> sean: here's the deal. they gotta sendjoebidentopennsylvania because the polls are so close. michigan is tied, wisconsin is tied, colorado, romney is up, virginia he's up, florida he's up, and we have rasmussen now showing the moment ump has shifted in ohio. if i'm barack obama, there's no poll now moving in his direction, juan, and states that he won by huge margins, he's either tied or just slightly ahead. that's a problem for him. >> well, look. i don't think anyone debates the idea it's going to be a very close race, but the numbers you put out. >> sean: which ones? >> they're all sided. >> ask juan about the npr poll. >> go ahead, dana. >> let's talk about the npr poll. an 8-point swing? >> there's a margin of error, dana. hold on. dana was around in '08, i'm sorry, back in '04 when the poll said that kerry was going to win in a landslide. didn't happen, did it? >> thank goodness. >> that's right, dana. just think for a second. romney has never been ahead. >> sean: he's ahead now. >> in the real clear politics. >> sean: juan, juan, juan. >

's the deal. they gotta sendjoebidentopennsylvania because the polls are so close. michigan is tied, wisconsin is tied, colorado, romney is up, virginia he's up, florida he's up, and we have rasmussen now showing the moment ump has shifted in ohio. if i'm barack obama, there's no poll now moving in his direction, juan, and states that he won by huge margins, he's either tied or just slightly ahead. that's a problem for him. >> well, look. i don't think anyone debates the idea it's going to be a very close race, but the numbers you put out. >> sean: which ones? >> they're all sided. >> ask juan about the npr poll. >> go ahead, dana. >> let's talk about the npr poll. an 8-point swing? >> there's a margin of error, dana. hold on. dana was around in '08, i'm sorry, back in '04 when the poll said that kerry was going to win in a landslide. didn't happen, did it? >> thank goodness. >> that's right, dana. just think for a second. romney has never been ahead. >> sean: he's ahead now. >> in the real clear politics. >> sean: juan, juan, juan. >> colorado, wisconsin. i can keep going. never, e

supporter. and under president obama andjoebiden, they'remore for big business. host: are you working down there? caller: no. no, i'm not retired. host: what kind of work do you do, joan? caller: well, i've done clerical work. i've done hospital work as a therapist. i worked as a nurse's aide for quite a few years. i've worked in all kinds of businesses. host: and what's the healthcare business like there in palm coast? caller: well, they are enlarging some of the services that will be available. healthcare is a booming industry. it has been, especially because of medicare and medicaid. but the whole thing is long-term projections. now, the president -- the government does not create business. it's small business people, but it's not -- the government can set up an environment that is helpful towards business, but under large taxation and policies that will crush business, i see that as a route that obama is taking. right now the free market is struggling. host: in the "financial times" this morning, u.s. lanes to stay on growth course -- u.s. lanes to stay on growth course. like a ya

blame others -- starting with my brother, of course. >>joebidenreturnedthe favor. >> his plans are not sketchy. they are etched a sketchy. >> as the president traveled through the midwest, this state's governor has asked for extended hours for early voting. >> still ahead, a shooting on a california campus disrupts halloween. details on why the gun was drawn. plus, this was the scene this morning in brooklyn, new york, as residents tried to jump aboard the >> covering the nation, two people in custody and four wounded after a shooting on the campus of the university of southern california. one of the victims was critically wounded. three others suffered non-life threatening injuries. the 100 people at a students only party were shot inside and the campus wide e-mail alert was sent. gramm spaniard was charged with perjury and obstruction of justice related to the jerry sandusky trial. sandusky was convicted on 45 counts of abuse last june and was recently sentenced to 30-60 years in state prison. thousands of people are waiting in long lines to get on a city bus into manhattan.

that are too close to call. advice vezjoebiden, ishe looking for a higher office? can we get through this election, really? it's thursday, november 1st and "starting point" begins right now. >>> welcome back, everybody. our team this morning, margaret hoover is with us, former white house appointee in the bush administrati administration, richard socarides, former adviser to bill clinton. and john berman is joining us. a panelist this morning is stuck in traffic on the brooklyn bridge. traffic is terrible in the city. we'll save a space for him. when he gets here, he will join us. aftermath of the super storm, city getting back to normal very slowly. i guess depends on what your definition of normal is. no heat, no power. gas is running low. bumper to bumper traffic. patience for a lot of people are being tested. buss are running this morning. gridlock is expected. we were really spoernsing it yesterday. rob marciano is at the brooklyn bridge for us. how is it looking? >> traffic is flowing over the bridge. people are definitely not coming out of this subway station, which is closed

is going to pennsylvania. most people would say, why spend time there? i mean that clearly isjoebiden's backyard.>> maybe this is the head fake, a bit of a hail mary for the romney campaign. the intriguing thing is the obama campaign is responding with advertising in those states. they're not sending the president there directly, although, bill clinton is spending time in minnesota and joe biden, son of scranton, will be in pennsylvania before this is out. >> very interesting final few days here. rick, you've been a great asset to us throughout the campaign season. we appreciate you joining us. we'll hear from you once again after tuesday, the big day. rick klein again, our senior washington editor, thanks again, rick. we'll be right back after this. >> announcer: "world news now" continues after this. the new color changing candle from air wick, brings light and fragrance together, to create a mesmerizing experience in your home. try the new color changing candle. something in the air wick. ♪ some folks like to get away take a holiday from the neighborhood ♪ ♪ hop a flight to

't do that to himself. you're absolutely crazy. you're getting as badasbiden. >>now the acting, directing legend says it was an ad lib, which was obvious at the time. let's listen. >> i have to give john vioght a pat on the back. i was sitting with him and a couple other people talking about the economy. he said why doesn't anybody in hollywood ever speak up. i said he's right, we are kind of chicken. the chair idea, that came out of the air. i was sitting there and the guy behind the stage said here, you want to sit down? i said no, but take it out and set it next to the podium. he said you want to sit down? i said no, put it there. i said that's stupid, why did i do that. afterwards, people came out and said it was fun. >> there you have it. on a more serious note, he said he's not happy with how obama handled the attack in mbenga sa. >>> four days to go before the election, biden read the top ten good things about voting early. here are a few highlights. >> single, looking to mingle. find that special someone in the early voting. if you vote early, you don't have to pay taxe

chief economist for vice presidentjoebiden, alsoan msnbc contributor. jared, as we look over these estimates and they're really rough now in the very beginning. >> very rough. >> sandy could cost when it's all said and done, the total $20 billion or more. exceeding the damage certainly from irene last year which was about 12 to $16 billion. meantime moody's an lytics estimate economic losses will total $10 billion a day, lost wages, production, sales for businesses. do you think that estimate is on target? >> yeah, i think that estimate is on target but i believe moody's said they're not going to alter their estimate for gdp in the fourth quarter because some of this will be made up and also some of this stuff that gets destroyed you have to put people to work to rebuild it. that actually adds to gross domestic product. it subtracts from the net but adds to the growth. >> one thing i'm being told in my ear, we have an updated death toll i want to pass along to everyone. we now have 27 -- 29, excuse me, 29 confirmed deaths. again, we started this hour it was 18. so the numbers

and vicepresidentbidenwillbe there today as well. >>> romney is not the only one back on the campaign trail, as we point out. the vice president is, paul ryan as well as bill clinton. new polls giving a slight edge to the president. the power panel will weigh in on this in just a second. >>> plus, you can't forget this dangling crane, we've show you the images, that still happenings perilously above new york city. still a very dangerous situation. we'll bring you up to speed on what's being done to get that down safely. if you have pictures from the storm, tweet them to us, include the hash tag msnbc pics. wooohooo....hahaahahaha! oh...there you go. wooohooo....hahaahahaha! i'm gonna stand up to her! no you're not. i know. you know ronny folks who save hundreds of dollars switching to geico sure are happy. how happy are they jimmy? happier than a witch in a broom factory. get happy. get geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. and i was told to call my next of kin. at 33 years old, i was having a heart attack. now i'm on a bayer aspirin regimen. [ male announcer

lead. michigan is dead even. they're sending bill clinton to minnesota,joebidentopennsylvania. obviously the obama campaign is on defense. do you really think pennsylvania, michigan, minnesota, wisconsin, and ohio, possibly romney votes? >> i'm not sure which one. you have had to check with someone like miki michael baronn that. i'm worried that the romney campaign will steal. i don't care where they're going to send biden. i'm going to wisconsin. five speeches this weeks. i'd look at illinois. democrats are massively unpopular in illinois because of quinn, because of raw rahm he e. there could be a surprise state like pennsylvania or illinois. >> sean: good to see you, ann coulter. when we come back, we continue to track the monster storm sandy. over a million and a half people are out of power and new york is being flooded. lower manhattan and the new york governor's office is reporting storm-related deaths. we have a live report coming up next, and then later, this storm is interrupting the political world, but we continue to focus on the benghazi coverup. tonight in studio

on the storm. let me play for you whatjoebidensaidin new hampshire yesterday. >> the last thing the president and i want to do is have the cam taken get in the way of anything. the most important thing is people's safety and people's health and property being saved here. >> dave wiegel, could this make-or-break his presidency? >> i think you're going to see a lot of wind breakers and north face jackets and fewer blazers and ties for a couple of days as he go it to these fema centers and does what he can, which is not a lot. he can stop in the path of the storm. the problem for obama that i see, and it's hard to ascertain for a couple of days how this affects him, is this a ground game campaign. they said this for a year. they're right. this campaign wins if it gets out votes at a more effective high rate than the romney campaign does. how does that change it if power goes out in places where people manage phone calms and charging up ipads door to door. that is what i think would have people worried. more than where the president physically can campaign. how much money do they pu

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? well it's contagious. congressman ryan's caught it. >> reporter: vice presidentjoebidenaccusedthe romney campaign of lying in a new ad in ohio that implies the auto bailout is sending american jobs overseas. >> why would they do this in the face of the overwhelming fact -- >> reporter: paul ryan said the ad was try troou. >> those stats are inconvenient for the president but no one disputes them. >> reporter: and ryan fought back hard. >> president obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy. taxpayers still stand to lose billion billions of dollars from the president's managed bankruptcy. >> reporter: romney has been on the defensive for months on his position on auto bailout, now taking it right to the president. their skirmishes back and forth about this issue on the auto industry show how important it is, especially in ohio, which could hold the key to the white house. there are 800,000 people in jobs related to the auto industry in that state. charlie and norah, they could be decisive. >> jan crawford, thank you so much. national journal white house correspondent major gar

can't stop, justasbidencannotstop, you cannot stop behaving inappropriately. >> dan. >> the president's campaign but out a 20-page pamphlet. >> a big part of this week, saying, i do have an agenda, responding to the romney criticism that he doesn't for the second term. >> exactly. and senior democrats have been saying that because romney put out this substantive economic plan, the president actually has to begin defining his own. he goes on this stump and does he talk about senate no. he does what we just saw on speech after speech. i honestly think that barack obama harbors some deep personal animosity toward mitt romney. he can't stop doing that even as his advisers say go in another direction. >> kim, what's the strategy here that the obama campaign is working? >> well, it's what they have been doing all along. it's class warfare, it's fear. the argue. has always been for obama, things are not necessarily as great as he would like them but we're making progress, and trust me, the other guy will be much, much worse. so it's the argument of stick with the devil you

obama. or vice presidentjoebiden. theromney campaign announced mitt romney will host a so-called "storm relief event" in ohio tomorrow with nascar's richard petty. and country music's randy owen. if the serious aftermath of this hurricane runs into this weekend then for all practical purposes the candidates may have already made their closing arguments to the voters. what they have to say now may not be heard over the storm coverage. team obama's last public act took place in ohio while the president was in washington. >> we went to florida last night and he got up this morning and called me and said, i've got to go back right now. the storm is getting out of hand i have to handle it. i said, mr. president, that's the right call. >> i just want you to know, he asked me to express his regrets for not being able to be here but, you know, he's doing the job a president should be doing. >> mitt romney's last come pain event was today in iowa. >> i want to take a moment before we begin just to think about what's happening on the coast, the east coast of our country right now. i

clinton where vice presidentjoebidenstoodin for him. >> folks, i know you're expecting the real president, the present president, reverend, i just want you to know, he asked me to express his regrets for not being able to be here but, you know, he's doing the job a president should be doing. [ cheers and applause ] and first and foremost on behalf of the president, i want to thank all the first responders throughout this country. you know, there are folks from all over america heading to my part of the world to the east coast to help now. they're coming from all over. >> well, mitt romney and paul ryan have canceled all of their campaign events tomorrow and at their last event in ohio romney asked people to help if they can. >> i want to mention that our hearts and prayers are with all the people in the storm's path. sandy is another devastating hurricane by all accounts and a lot of people are going to be facing some real tough times as a result of sandy's fury and so if you have the capacity to make a donation to american red cross, you can go online and do that. if there are

is campaigning in florida and vicepresidentbidenisin floridaed if today. both sides are getting back into the campaign and they realize they have to be careful to make sure the focus is on the storm and the aftermath with so many victims. >>shepard: thank you. the atlantic ocean is relatively calm today but it is far from normal on the jersey shore. in seaside heights the park is in ruins half submessaged in the surf. to the north across the river from midtown manhattan, a taxi braving the water crosses passes with someone roing down a street in a kayak. jonathan hunt will be live with news a few minutes and marring national guard trucks rolled through the city delivering meals and other supplies to those who were still stranded. people are still stranded in their homes with no way to get out and they are evacuating those who want to leave. now to rick down the shore. officials are not letting residents back in. rick: we have seen a handful of people make it beyond the roadblocks but they do not want residents coming in because of gas lines that are ruptured and downed power lines an

for romney. joebidenisdoing the letterman show, doing the top ten list, whatever, i'm not sure. should mitt romney do it? >> no. >> jennifer: too much risk? >> too much risk at this point. i think that he -- he should not risk making a mistake at this point. >> jennifer: isn't that why he's not answering any questions from reporters at this point? >> he turned off the mics about a week ago ten days ago. "saturday night live" has been trying to get him for a long time. that would be a little more risky. if he reads the top ten list in letterman, that's scripted. but if it is a live setting where he needs to ad-lib or it is outside of his comfort zone. >> he hasn't said anything unscripted. >> jennifer: hang on. a lot more to cover. they'll stick around. there is still one big piece of news coming before tuesday's election. that's tomorrow's jobs report. we'll get into that after the break and a little later we'll welcome actor and activist cal penn into "the war room. hopefully he will ease my concerns that

things to watch tonight and through the weekend, first lady, michelle obama,joebiden, alsobig ohio presence this weekend. president clinton on the democratic side doing a lot of campaigning. and tonight in ohio near cincinnati, romney, ryan, their families, and all their major surrogates, minus chris christie are going to be doing a big rally, john mccain, marco rubio, rob portman, one big rally in ohio and then spreading out. that's going to be a big event. and major surrogate action on both sides, nobody believing anything, as we like to say, on the field. >> and very interesting last thing about romney, two stops in new hampshire within the last three days, which is kind of fascinating given -- i mean, he's closing his campaign in new hampshire, but he's also going there on saturday. interesting that they think that those, what, five or four electoral votes could be really important for them. >> one other big piece of news this morning, president obama picked up the endorsement yesterday of new york city mayor michael bloomberg, citing superstorm sandy. the independent mayor wro

. >>joebidenrespondedto romney this way today. >> called it territorial tax. it's the bain way. it means if you're going to build a factory you go find -- this is the fact. you go find a currentory with the lowest tax rate and the cheapest wages. build it there, pay those taxes and you never have to pay a penny in tax in the profit you make when you bring them back home. why would anybody build -- why would anybody build a factory here? ladies and gentlemen, the experts point out, that new territorial tax will create 800,000 jobs. all of them abroad. i'm not making up, all of them abroad. 800,000. i found it fascinating at their convention when governor romney said the first thing i will do when i'm elected president, i will take a jobs tour. it's going to have to be a foreign trip. >> joining me now ezra klein and eugene robinson. it was a strong week for the conspiracy theoryists about the unemployment numbers. first the theory was that the president would use hurricane sandy and its effects possibly on washington, d.c. as an excuse for delaying the jobs report until after th

. gerri: and the left out swinging today claiming the ad is inaccurate, includingjoebidenwhocalled it flagrantly dishonest. my next guest says romney has it right. here to explain, associate fellow for the national legal and policy center. great to have you back. always a pleasure to have you on the show. this all came out of a report in bloomberg. let me read you what the road and read your response. european sales, the ceos, sergio marchini, considering building chrysler models in italy, including jeeps, for export to north america. now, is that true or is that false? >> that is absolutely true, and prior to that there was a bloomberg report that did say that the yacht was going to be building jeeps in china, possibly old jeeps, so that is where the governor romney got that information. now, there was one slight inaccuracies under the romney and where he said the obama administration sold chrysler to the italians. he didn't. he gave it to them. the only thing they paid up front was some technology they transferred. did not even pay any money for it. gerri: you're saying possibly

tojoebiden. >>single and looking to mingle? find that special someone in the early voting line. if you vote early you don't have to pay taxes. i'm sorry, i'm being told that's not accurate. honestly, don't you want this election over with already? >> yes, we do. >> i got to say, sometimes it is hard to tell when the vice president is joking. >> i thought the same thing, as well. does he know this is comedy? okay. thanks, john, ahead this morning on "starting point," you saw some of the images that john is talking about, people desperate for gas, in the devastating aftermath of hurricane sandy. we're going to talk to rob marciano this morning on the ground updating that story and much more. jack, you're a little boring. boring. boring. [ jack ] after lauren broke up with me, i went to the citi private pass page and decided to be...not boring. that's how i met marilyn... giada... really good. yes! [ jack ] ...and alicia. ♪ this girl is on fire [ male announcer ] use any citi® card to get the benefits of private pass. more concerts. more events. more experiences. [ jack ] hey, who's bo

bidenthereputting a big focus on the military vote here in virginia. today, the saturday before the election, it's the last day to vote absentee, in person. if you don't vote by today, you have to wait until tuesday to vote with everybody else. back to you. >> steve: peter doocy live in virginia where it's good to know when he ♪ reporting he is at the gym working out. hi, peter. >> gretchen: now to the rest of your evidence lines, this may be one of the most important elections in your history. that doesn't mean you can vote more than once. this is roxene reuben trying to vote twice. nevada woman cast a ballot on monday and tried to vote at another location later in the day. a worker turned her away after a routine check showed she had already voted. she has been charged with a felony. >> steve: maybe she forgot. meanwhile in massachusetts, a town they are using the word illegal is now illegal. the word was banned in the town of summerville when describing immigrants. the mayor outlawed the illegal word after a group of teenagers argued it was a hurtful term. instead the group

leader, storm forcesromneys,bidentocancel visits. the storm has forced officials to reschedule the granite state debate for the first congressional district for next friday. in florida a race to the finish, so says the daytona beach news junl as local volunteers move into high gear. team romney is feeling excited in florida while team obama is trying to finish with a dramatic push. that big push was supposed to include a joint appearance with president clinton, but sandy rained on that parade. president obama is now back squarely in washington to deal with this storm leechl leaaving former president with the stage all to himself. >> as the president said, governor, you were in bain capital. if i brought a deal to you and said i have a great idea for a business with jobs like crazy, and you said where's your budget? i'd say, see me on that in a year or two, you'd run me out of our office. how can you expect us to vote for you for president. you won't give us the budget when you say it's the biggest problem in the country. vote for the man with the plan. vote for barack obama. >>

a campaign event today into a rereef event, their surrogates have been out there, ann romney,joebiden, michelleobama, bill clinton. their campaigns have continued to run advertising. we've seen solicitations for contributions not to the obama campaign but to the red cross from that massive email list that barack obama has. the campaigns were up and running. they're still doing all the things they normally do. there's a little more sensitivity in the states that are affected by the hurricane but they can't really afford to pull out, to push the pause button. >> ifill: democrats have been saying that mitt romney during the republican primary debates may have said that he would actually cut back on fema which is not as unpopular as it once was. >> he said he wanted to move as much of that responsibility to the states and to private contributions as possible. so he's getting hit for that right now. what would mitt romney's fema look like? would it be as well funded as the current organization? there's about $7 billion in the bank right now. if mitt romney and republicans were in control

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