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I've been seeing the radar van parked around Tucson. Anyone know whats up? I'm thinking they are just trying to control traffic...

On freeways or city streets? Only the radar vans for the state (highways essentially) were pulled from operating. Cities can still manage their own vans, just as prescott valley and paradise valley still do.

On freeways or city streets? Only the radar vans for the state (highways essentially) were pulled from operating. Cities can still manage their own vans, just as prescott valley and paradise valley still do.

I saw it on the East side of Tucson. I didn't realize they could still have them in a way. I'll have to check it out. Thanks.

Anyone know anything about that one on Northern and el mirage or dysart?
I know its a red light camera, but have been told its also a speed camera.
I flew through there about 6 months ago at night doing a tad over 55 and it flashed at me after i was already way past the intersection. Never got crap in the mail nor served.

On the original post I don't see the red light and speed on green that gets you going Northbound on Scottsdale at the Bell/FLW intersection. Wish I would have known it was a green speed camera a few months ago. And they do serve you if you ignore it.

Don't ignore the ticket if it is an actual ticket! But it may not be an actual ticket, sometimes it's just a notice.

Read the whole thing, front and back. Somehow my wife got popped driving my car and on the back it said "this is not a summons" and it asked me to identify the driver because it was a female and I'm a male so something to them wasn't right. But right on the back of the notice it said I didn't actually have to do anything.

Don't ignore the ticket if it is an actual ticket! But it may not be an actual ticket, sometimes it's just a notice.

Read the whole thing, front and back. Somehow my wife got popped driving my car and on the back it said "this is not a summons" and it asked me to identify the driver because it was a female and I'm a male so something to them wasn't right. But right on the back of the notice it said I didn't actually have to do anything.

Never heard a word nor got served and it's been a year now.

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It's an actual ticket.

However, it's state law that they have to serve you in person if you don't waive your right to that by accepting the ticket and respond to it. Worst case scenario is I ignore it and they successfully serve it to me and charge me $60 for doing so. For a $250 ticket, I'll take my chances with that.

However, it's state law that they have to serve you in person if you don't waive your right to that by accepting the ticket and respond to it. Worst case scenario is I ignore it and they successfully serve it to me and charge me $60 for doing so. For a $250 ticket, I'll take my chances with that.

Resurrecting and old thread I know! Just wanted to add; To this day I have NEVER responded to, nor have I actually ever been served in person for a speed camera ticket in this state.

As a side note, I very briefly dated the in house counsel for one of the traffic camera companies a few years ago and even she said to me that the tickets are almost always unenforceable in court even if you are served, for a variety of reasons. I thought that rather hilarious, especially coming from their own lawyers.

At the time she mentioned the statistic that roughly only 30% of traffic camera tickets were either responded to or served and ultimately paid out. They are literally betting on the fact that you either a) just want to avoid the hassle and will pay the ticket or b) can't afford to go to court to fight a couple hundred dollar ticket. Almost all of the traffic cameras, at least those run by the city of Phoenix, and the cameras on the freeways have been taken down because the cost to enforce the tickets far outweighs the ticket income. Apparently they needed somewhere around 65% of tickets to be paid to break even.

There are still quite a few traffic light cameras that will also ticket for speeding, but usually they only pursue red-light runners not the speeders. Some cities like Paradise Valley on the other hand, are still quite anal about it because they are all rich people and have the budget to pursue cases on principal alone. They also operate quite a few camera vans in the area.

Does the 'not enforceable' thing apply to red light cams or just speeding? I was never served for a speeding cam, but I paid a red light one for a late left turn.

It pretty much means all of them or so I was told. Apparently there are a handful of legal arguments that could be made in court that could get a case thrown out, but ultimately it's the judges discretion as to whether or not it is. According to the lady that told me that stuff, there was always something that could get a case dropped pretty much 100% of the time. It would obviously depend quite a lot on what they actually got you on camera doing, and how badly the city would want to pursue you for whatever charges they are trying to stick. For example there was one guy that hit the 101 camera in Scottsdale 136 times doing 160+ in a red Ferrari wearing a gorilla mask or something like that. I believe they finally tracked him down. They definitely tend to go after red light runners and other traffic light violations more vigorously than they do speeders, unless your doing like 120 in a school zone or something.

During our conversation she pointed out a couple interesting and notable facts that stood out. Firstly, an officer of the court must be present for legal service of process. The camera companies try to get around this by saying they have an officer review every ticket and sign it, which is not the case most of the time from what she said. They have to prove that an officer reviewed the ticket, and if they can't well there you go.

Secondly, it is not legal to service process through the mail, the thing you get in the mail is not official service of process. Which leads you to the 5th amendment rights, aka Self-incrimination. Responding to the thing in the mail is a violation of your 5th amendment rights, you basically being coerced into admitting guilt by way of threat of a fine. This is why an officer of the court actually has to serve you a summons in person. And there is a time limit from the date of the ticket that they have to do that, if my memory serves me right that was something like 120 days at the time, that may have changed since however so don't take my word for that.

From this point there are a few other loopholes from what I understand; Such as, forcing the camera companies to provide proof when the last time the camera equipment was maintained and calibrated. Apparently there is a time limit on that as well. There were a few more but this was quite some time ago and I don't remember all of the reasons she mentioned.

I've never personally attempted to argue one, and obviously I am not a lawyer myself, so please take this with a grain of salt. That said, it would probably end up costing you more than the ticket to mount any sort of legal defense unless you were representing yourself so its probably not worth it. Just as a disclaimer, this is NOT legal advice! I am simply recalling a conversation I had with an informed individual several years ago. Your mileage may vary.

That's pretty close to what I was thinking. If you're still in the intersection when the light turns red there isn't matter of fact to work with, so you only have matters of law. If they decide to actually serve you you're stuck. That's why I paid that one.

As to speed sensor cams there are a bunch of matters of fact you can work with like calibration so they are a lot less likely to put out the effort.

I don't know if anybody has mentioned it but El Mirage has an insane amount of cameras, also they move around an SUV and a portable camera around El Mirage road near the YMCA and Northern and El Mirage road.

I've also seen the cameras flash red at me instead of white near my plates/front of the car. I think they're flashing the car in front of me, any ideas?