No, but before we start a program of self flagellation, we should realize that our history is no worse and in most cases, far better than almost any other country.

I don't believe in trashing America, since our country was founded on far more noble principles than many others.

I wasn't advocating this. Just thought we should not say anything negative about others exercising "adverse possession".

04-11-2019 08:14 PM

casull

"So that makes it right?
GuzziJohn"

It makes it reality. I prefer to live in the real world.

04-11-2019 01:20 PM

ironglow

from NW Hunter;

"Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence, (I conjure you to believe me fellow citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake; since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of Republican Government.

George Washington, Farewell Address, September 19, 1796

Since the beginning of our country, America’s Founding Fathers warned of threats to liberty from foreign entanglements.
The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible… It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world.
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I agree with most of the above, but clearly we must keep pace with events and developments.

In 1796, we enjoyed a buffer zone on both our east and west coasts..with very little threat from lands to the north and the south.

Ships were the only way to cross in 1796.. At least a month to cross the Atlantic, and perhaps 2 months to cross the Pacific.

Today an ICBM can cross such a span in mere minutes..planes a bit longer. Nuclear armed submarines are constantly lurking just off our coasts.

...And our own planes can be used as weapons against us (RE: 9/11)

We must have forces deployed across the world, so "all our eggs are not in one basket".... ready to be smashed! All of this dispersion requires diplomacy and bold action.

If we had little or no contact with other nations, how would we be able to move such entities as Iran and North Korea with sanctions.

Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence, (I conjure you to believe me fellow citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake; since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of Republican Government.

George Washington, Farewell Address, September 19, 1796

Since the beginning of our country, America’s Founding Fathers warned of threats to liberty from foreign entanglements.
The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible… It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world.

We need to start practicing once again what they preached."IMHO"

I agree with a great deal of this.

04-11-2019 09:43 AM

nw_hunter

Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence, (I conjure you to believe me fellow citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake; since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of Republican Government.

George Washington, Farewell Address, September 19, 1796

Since the beginning of our country, America’s Founding Fathers warned of threats to liberty from foreign entanglements.
The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible… It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world.

We need to start practicing once again what they preached."IMHO"

04-11-2019 09:18 AM

Dee

Ah, the duality of man. A pointless discussion of historical facts that cannot be changed, modified, or reversed.

04-11-2019 07:41 AM

GuzziJohn1

From IG:

Quote:

There are some 195 countries in our world.. How about you name some that have never been taken by force at one time or another?

So that makes it right?
GuzziJohn

04-11-2019 06:03 AM

ironglow

"The US should never put itself in a position to lecture ANYONE on taking land from others... That is the essence of the pot calling the kettle black, we built this country on the premise of taking land by force!!! I'm not saying it was wrong just the fact that it was."
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There are some 195 countries in our world.. How about you name some that have never been taken by force at one time or another?

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