Originally posted by JustinShapiroI think there's a pushed spot in TNA for him so he's like "I want to go to there." Maybe on January 4th the ECW Originals reunite to take on the Pope Breed w/ the returning Monty Brown.

Tommy Dreamer paid his dues and no longer needs to be in the main WWE spotlight anymore.

I think Tommy Dreamer wasn't as relevant with the WWE going into directions and everything else in between. I respect Dreamer though because this guy worked hard in everything he did and nothing was truly given to him on a silver platter but settled for any type of platter that was given to him.

Tommy could work backstage and probably would be more helpful in that department based on his longevity in the business and experience. But I guess we will all know eventually if he jumps into the less hectic schedule that is TNA.

I stopped caring about HHH after 2001. Shawn is great, but I go so tired of him in 2003 where it was HHH/HBK for almost the entire year. HBK has the greatest second life as a wrestler in history. Yet, I am intrigued by his opponents like Taker, Jericho and Flair then him. Also, I am not a big fan of someone who cares part time. Its good for him to heal up, but he was gone for six months this year came back to reform the dead horse of DX and feud with Legacy for a good chunk of his return.

Tommy spent this summer having a great feud with Christian/Swagger. I don't think its horrible taste since Shawn was overrated in his younger days. Didn't he lose his smile , didn't lie for years about his part in Montreal and didn't MSG turn on him as a face? Shawn is remembered for a ladder match and iron match that WWE where he apparently wrestled himself. HBK is a great wrestler, but I feel like there have been very few matches where I was with him the entire to see him win and most of those were in 2002. Tommy I was with him every step of the way. Tommy has also helped train the younger ECW guys and gals. ECW maybe an overrated via time, but to me it pales in the comparison of HBK: The Greatest Wrestler of 90s spin they had done with him.

Originally posted by Psycho PenguinI think the point is.. you're talking about HBK and HHH in a topic about Dreamer. I'm sure there are other places to discuss how boring DX is and how everyone on RAW gets buried.

...and this will be the sad fate of Dreamer's departure.

Group A: Oh man, remember when Tommy Dreamer quit the WWE a couple of years ago?

Group B: Oh yeah, I remember when I heard about it Hornswoggle was made a member of DX, and Sheamus became champion because he was Triple H's gym spotter. Shawn ruined wrestling for me!

It's easy to say "well he wasnt motivated for doing the job in that last match" but damn did he suck in that one.

When Ryder pulled him down from the apron he almost couldnt make the partial flip that was required to land on his back.And thats saying something for the guy whose sentons look like someone throws a sack of sand.

His dropkick was almost a baseball slide.

Having said that, I liked how he threw his tshirt in the crowd. Wow. That's a nice souvenir!

Tommy had a great career, and was always more over on "thats a cool guy" than any real charisma or skill.

I hope that he retires. His time in the WWE must have allowed him to save a little money? He deserves it.

If he chooses to go to TNA I hope he has fun. Even though they don't need him.

Originally posted by lotjxI stopped caring about HHH after 2001. Shawn is great, but I go so tired of him in 2003 where it was HHH/HBK for almost the entire year. HBK has the greatest second life as a wrestler in history. Yet, I am intrigued by his opponents like Taker, Jericho and Flair then him. Also, I am not a big fan of someone who cares part time. Its good for him to heal up, but he was gone for six months this year came back to reform the dead horse of DX and feud with Legacy for a good chunk of his return.

Tommy spent this summer having a great feud with Christian/Swagger. I don't think its horrible taste since Shawn was overrated in his younger days. Didn't he lose his smile , didn't lie for years about his part in Montreal and didn't MSG turn on him as a face? Shawn is remembered for a ladder match and iron match that WWE where he apparently wrestled himself. HBK is a great wrestler, but I feel like there have been very few matches where I was with him the entire to see him win and most of those were in 2002. Tommy I was with him every step of the way. Tommy has also helped train the younger ECW guys and gals. ECW maybe an overrated via time, but to me it pales in the comparison of HBK: The Greatest Wrestler of 90s spin they had done with him.

Holy God. You're actually saying that the perfunctory Dreamer/Christian/Swagger feud was better than anything HBK has done this year?

Man, you deserve TNA.

EDIT: I mean, Shawn was a douche for most of the nineties, but he was also pretty much the best wrestler working during that time period. He had a five-star match with Jeff Jarrett and dragged Kevin Nash to his best matches ever. Who was better during the nineties? Raven?

And using your criteria of "being with them", Virgil circa 1991 is an all-time great.

I'm happy for Dreamer. He was probably itching to do more than he was currently doing and was told "sorry". And for whoever thought Dreamer could've stayed in WWE and made a lot more money in the long run.... uh, of every wrestler I've seen, Dreamer is probably the ONE wrestler who makes choices based on everything BUT money. More power to him.

Originally posted by Spaceman SpiffDon't like Taker, either.

Seconded. I can't believe he's still around. Haven't ever seen one quality match with him that I didn't think was quality because of the other person involved.

Originally posted by the ReverendHaven't ever seen one quality match with him that I didn't think was quality because of the other person involved.

So that was Batista carrying the Undertaker to all those great matches that year.

Originally posted by lotjxMinus Taker/HBK what has Shawn done this year?

DX is the worst, but his acting when he was JBL's slave, Shawn/Cena before the Rumble, and Shawn/HHH/Cena at Survivor Series are all better than anything Tommy Dreamer has ever done, cried about, or eaten.

Originally posted by Amos CochranEDIT: I mean, Shawn was a douche for most of the nineties, but he was also pretty much the best wrestler working during that time period. He had a five-star match with Jeff Jarrett and dragged Kevin Nash to his best matches ever. Who was better during the nineties? Raven?

I don't really disagree with your main point, and I certainly don't mean to belittle HBK's ability or achievements, but I do have one answer to your question: Bret Hart.

Originally posted by JustinShapiroDX is the worst, but his acting when he was JBL's slave, Shawn/Cena before the Rumble, and Shawn/HHH/Cena at Survivor Series are all better than anything Tommy Dreamer has ever done, cried about, or eaten.

Really, the Bradshaw feud? I thought that whole thing was a piece of garbage. I'm assuming you are comparing all of these things to Tommy's stint with the WWE and not his whole body of work. His best moment in the WWE was his four way 'Extreme Rules Match' with RVD, Sandman and Sabu. That really was ECW's last hurrah.

Tommy Dreamer was the last of the true ECW wrestlers left. There are others in WWE that have wrestled for the original ECW (Mysterio, Jericho) but Tommy Dreamer WAS ECW! Tommy Dreamer will forever be known as the Man, the Legend of ECW. More so than everybody else, more so than the Dudleyz, more so than the Sandman, more so than Raven ECW = Tommy Dreamer & Tommy Dreamer = ECW. Can anyone say that about Shawn Michaels? Does Shawn Michaels = WWE? Hell no! Tommy Dreamer carried ECW on his back and in his heart for his entire career. Shawn Michaels cant hold Tommy Dreamers jock strap when it comes to the passion for the business!

I hope Tommy goes to TNA because then he can once again be the TRUE INNOVATOR OF VIOLENCE, that us from the true ECW fan base can love and enjoy once again, and when he nails Raven with a steel chair, once again, we will all erupt in the chants of ECW! ECW! ECW! ECW! ECW! ECW! Not because TNA is ECW but because Tommy Dreamer IS ECW!

Didn't they have a cane match, or just a match that eventually incorporated canes, and they caned each other severely? That was pretty cool. Throw in RVD vs. Tommy to unify the IC and hardcore titles and you've completed my half-disc Best of Tommy Dreamer in WWE set. In fairness, he did stay over for the long haul with an audience that was eventually very far removed from ECW despite losing pretty much every match he was in just by coming across like a nice guy who liked wrestling and crying.

Originally posted by Reverend J ShaftI'm happy for Dreamer. He was probably itching to do more than he was currently doing and was told "sorry". And for whoever thought Dreamer could've stayed in WWE and made a lot more money in the long run.... uh, of every wrestler I've seen, Dreamer is probably the ONE wrestler who makes choices based on everything BUT money. More power to him.

Absolutely. When I think of Dreamer, I don't think of those "WWE Confidential" versions of Cribs where they have a large pools, five cars, a bed that's the size of my apartment, and whatever else. I could see Tommy and his family in a sensible four bedroom house in Suburbia, with Tommy being the type to mow his own lawn, or whatever else. Pretty tame for the Innovator of Violence.

For some weird reason, I'd love to see the houses of the WWE stars.

Originally posted by Reverend J Shaft

Originally posted by Spaceman SpiffDon't like Taker, either.

Seconded. I can't believe he's still around. Haven't ever seen one quality match with him that I didn't think was quality because of the other person involved.

My issue with the Undertaker is that the entire schtick is getting old: he comes back with all the theatrical SFX nonsense, wins a few matches and perhaps a title, and disappears for a number of months. Rinse and repeat.

However, Tommy's program with Christian was really, really good - and that's something I can't say about his current storyline with Batista, or Rey Mysterio or whomever.