tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post5850475683969154447..comments2016-12-09T17:00:37.825-08:00Comments on John K Stuff: 50s Woody, Conservative Control and StyleJohnKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14033480276168015590noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-90860447457441367892009-12-14T15:21:18.675-08:002009-12-14T15:21:18.675-08:00Jesus, Johnny K.!
When I see this scenes from th...Jesus, Johnny K.! <br /><br />When I see this scenes from this <i>Woody Woodpecker</i> short - <i>Buccaneer Woodpecker</i> (1953, directed by Don Patterson) -, it seems that I&#39;m hearing the Clarence Wheeler&#39;s music score.rodineisilveirahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07751345474415214163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-44275485141350066042008-09-30T12:12:00.000-07:002008-09-30T12:12:00.000-07:00"Once their Woodpecker model lost his cool green i..."Once their Woodpecker model lost his cool green irises, the character became nondescript, and the cartoons are no longer visually interesting."<BR/><BR/>Good point Mike. I always felt the green irises gave Woody a "mentally challenged", crazed look helping to add another layer, another ingredient to the character.<BR/><BR/>Early Woody looks wacky and unpredictable, not unlike early Daffy Duck.<Rotguthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17032634677452588219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-72352794026949310542008-09-30T07:46:00.000-07:002008-09-30T07:46:00.000-07:00I really missed some shots of the (HEDIOUS) 90´s v...I really missed some shots of the (HEDIOUS) 90´s version of Woody in this post.RodTramontehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17710588561838437383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-85184295299891243362008-09-29T17:35:00.000-07:002008-09-29T17:35:00.000-07:00(I know this post is sortof old, but still)Larry: ...(I know this post is sortof old, but still)<BR/><BR/>Larry: The story also said that he didn't know who he picked at the time.<BR/><BR/>But that's just the DVD notes for ya.oppohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09228591957697880302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-15238205695165777472008-09-29T12:02:00.000-07:002008-09-29T12:02:00.000-07:00Even the Buzz Buzzard model used in "Buccaneer Woo...Even the Buzz Buzzard model used in "Buccaneer Woodpecker" shows the beginning signs of degeneration. The earlier, cooler Buzz had a 5 o'clock shadow. <BR/><BR/>The best Wally Walrus model has a soft, doughy, malleable cranium and tusks that weren't attached to his mouth - they just poked out from either side of his bushy mustache (as is clearly seen in the 2nd Wally scan). Eventually he lost mike f.http://www.blogger.com/profile/02685917448327606335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-8552333883013038662008-09-29T08:27:00.000-07:002008-09-29T08:27:00.000-07:00"They always had interesting titles though, like "..."They always had interesting titles though, like "Billion Dollar Boner""<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately, Lantz titles also eventually degraded. Starting in late 1965, with only one or two exceptions until the studio closed in the '70s, the titles were uniformly text over a solid color.<BR/>http://lantz.goldenagecartoons.com/1965.html<BR/>The lettering was different for each cartoon, but that's only Tedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14783618617749580841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-45705155956602134582008-09-29T08:04:00.000-07:002008-09-29T08:04:00.000-07:00I agree on the Buzz Buzzard de-evoltuion. They sub...I agree on the Buzz Buzzard de-evoltuion. They subtracted alot of his personality when they removed his ruffled feathers and smoothed out his beak, just awful. I love 40's Lantz overall, not as good as WB or MGM Avery but they had the heart.PCUnfunnyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00518171797365794688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-69504659261181152962008-09-29T04:30:00.000-07:002008-09-29T04:30:00.000-07:00"About Woody's voice: the story is that Walter Lan...<I>"About Woody's voice: the story is that Walter Lantz selected his wife after listening to many other auditions tapes, but he didn't know he picked his wife. So presumably the pickings were very slim. (But I don't see what was wrong with Gracie Stafford's performance.)"</I><BR/><BR/>Lantz often noted he came up with Woody due to a woodpecker encountered on his honeymoon--despite the fact Woody Larry Levinehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02796712092304761340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-35756757678366557092008-09-28T22:22:00.000-07:002008-09-28T22:22:00.000-07:00Sorry johnk for the email I just got a little stea...Sorry johnk for the email I just got a little steamed up at the fact that since someone has the power to talk to a profesional like yourself doesnt mean they should abuse it!JOHNCBEGGShttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16357842332036135997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-67380253871436393502008-09-28T21:59:00.000-07:002008-09-28T21:59:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.JOHNCBEGGShttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16357842332036135997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-65793339824072214292008-09-28T21:54:00.000-07:002008-09-28T21:54:00.000-07:00Thanks, John, for the post. I'd be interested in a...Thanks, John, for the post. I'd be interested in any further commentary you may have about Shamus Culhane's Lantz cartoons; even his films that don't quite work contain some interesting, compelling and creative animation.<BR/><BR/>I have a fondness for the Swing Symphonies and Woody cartoons from the mid to late 40's. And the 1950's efforts directed by Don Patterson are not half bad.<BR/><BR/>I paul etcheverryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16039423552957022688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-28191007828180347852008-09-28T20:25:00.000-07:002008-09-28T20:25:00.000-07:00Eric, stop wasting everyone's time!!!! We don't ca...Eric, stop wasting everyone's time!!!! We don't care about that debate anymore! We know what John thinks, we have our own opinions, and in case you haven't noticed, this is a blog about rebuilding cartoons from scratch. Satire can't exist successfully in an animated environment until studios re-learn how to establish an overall standard of quality that BEGINS WITH THE ANIMATION!!! I love the Zoran Taylorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01257217002413486395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-79912087866104273992008-09-28T19:12:00.000-07:002008-09-28T19:12:00.000-07:00I know this is off subject butwhere would i find s...I know this is off subject but<BR/><BR/>where would i find some good but cheap suplies for drawing up comix.Dlove4u2http://www.blogger.com/profile/12088778243661566989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-90922725226215728772008-09-28T18:34:00.000-07:002008-09-28T18:34:00.000-07:00Hey John?How come your agenst Writters?Look at Mat...Hey John?<BR/><BR/>How come your agenst Writters?<BR/><BR/>Look at Matt Groening, not the greatest drawer in the world, but what a great Satirist.<BR/><BR/>Same goes with Trey and Matt (you might know them since you sued then for the creation of Mr. Hankey).<BR/><BR/><BR/>And another thing John. Why are you so protective over the art of Cartoons?<BR/><BR/><BR/>Hey John, I got an Idea<BR/><BR/><BREric C.http://www.blogger.com/profile/09458303516352331838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-38652666893354338542008-09-28T18:24:00.000-07:002008-09-28T18:24:00.000-07:00And as for growing up with 90's cartoons: yeah, I ...And as for growing up with 90's cartoons: yeah, I did enjoy 90's cartoons before I knew 40's cartoons, but the 50's stuff doesn't impress me. A lot of the stuff you show that isn't from the 30's and 40's doesn't impress me.<BR/><BR/>Especially 50's era Tom and Jerry. The Chuck Jones stuff was okay, but I hate the Gene Deitch era.<BR/><BR/>Now that I've soared off topic, Ii have to say that J.R. Spumkinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02549566560966437074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-6817359568215019342008-09-28T18:08:00.000-07:002008-09-28T18:08:00.000-07:00John, I know this is off the topic of the great Wo...John, I know this is off the topic of the great Woody, but have you ever considered or done a post on cartoon music and SFX? You use the best stuff in your cartoons and I wanted to know your opinion on music and sound effects.J.R. Spumkinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02549566560966437074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-33323862143326728402008-09-28T18:04:00.000-07:002008-09-28T18:04:00.000-07:00About Woody's voice: the story is that Walter Lant...About Woody's voice: the story is that Walter Lantz selected his wife after listening to many other auditions tapes, but he didn't know he picked his wife. So presumably the pickings were very slim. (But I don't see what was wrong with Gracie Stafford's performance.)oppohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09228591957697880302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-8024720797782526562008-09-28T12:02:00.000-07:002008-09-28T12:02:00.000-07:00Walter Lantz was the Robert McKimson Unit on a stu...Walter Lantz was the Robert McKimson Unit on a studio sized scale: a small handful of decent output in a vast sea of turkeys despite a revolving door of great talent.<BR/><BR/>But, there is one small difference: Paul J. Smith was an even bigger hack as a director than McKimson.<BR/><BR/>The other thing that finished off Woody (at least for me) was Lantz hiring his wife to replace Ben Hardaway as Larry Levinehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02796712092304761340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-29558234093481093762008-09-28T12:01:00.000-07:002008-09-28T12:01:00.000-07:00I agree, Woody is great compared to modern minimal...I agree, Woody is great compared to modern minimalism. The only thing I don't like about Woody cartoons are how they reuse the same gags and catchphrases too much. They always had interesting titles though, like "Billion Dollar Boner"Calebhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05869540004263391426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-92011945461016520152008-09-28T11:53:00.000-07:002008-09-28T11:53:00.000-07:00If you want to see the dregs of limited animation ...If you want to see the dregs of limited animation and design, check out the 1964 Lantz Halloween special "Spook-A-Nanny" which is rock bottom cheap and stiff. The absolute nadir character design of Andy Panda turns up there, and yet Lantz actually had the sense to make fun of the Beatles, the same year they came on the scene in the USA, remarkable for a fossil of his generation.Whithttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07308880186307909986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-86493545344862725282008-09-28T11:24:00.000-07:002008-09-28T11:24:00.000-07:00Totally agree about the revised Buzz Buzzard desig...Totally agree about the revised Buzz Buzzard design...the original was way more sleazy and dangerous. For me, the 2nd Woody design was the best.<BR/><BR/>Would really like to see a John K. Woody episode or three...hello, Universal?Roberthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06075177380054332719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-68022646834143506842008-09-28T10:33:00.000-07:002008-09-28T10:33:00.000-07:00You should check out "Fine Feathered Frenzy". The ...You should check out "Fine Feathered Frenzy". The second half, animated entirely by Don Patterson, is some of the most insane animation ever done during the 50's at Lantz. The short itself is average, though. <BR/>I've always had a fondness for 50's Lantz. As mentioned, most of them are lame, but they make good time killers. Also, what do you think of Sid Marcus' work during the later Lantz Kaseyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14658697975083699628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-90038994570854472972008-09-28T08:59:00.000-07:002008-09-28T08:59:00.000-07:00Walter Lantz, "worst of all time"? I think the fa...Walter Lantz, "worst of all time"? I think the fact that actual directorial styles (however clumsy they were) emerged throughout the studio's history rates Lantz higher than studios like Famous Studios or Terrytoons, where NO directorial style emerged in their history. For the record, I'm aware Lantz wasn't doing anything in the late-50s and beyond worthy of accolades, but I sure enjoy them Cartoon Crankhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10616614323020027836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-7935448915714780522008-09-28T08:54:00.000-07:002008-09-28T08:54:00.000-07:00"The BG paintings in those cartoons (until when ev..."The BG paintings in those cartoons (until when everything in the later era of Lantz toons became flat and uninteresting) may have been the biggest eye candy for me"<BR/><BR/>The backgrounds actually remained significantly better than the drawings. <BR/>Compare this background from the 1961 Inspector Willoughby cartoon the Eggnapper <BR/>http://tag.rubberslug.com/gallery/inv_info.asp?ItemID=Tedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14783618617749580841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-87218405384282563892008-09-28T08:19:00.000-07:002008-09-28T08:19:00.000-07:00Lantz, perhaps more so than post-Tom and Jerry HB,...Lantz, perhaps more so than post-Tom and Jerry HB, created a good variety of enduring, interesting, cute, and funny characters with fantastic, distinct voices.<BR/><BR/>It is a shame the scenarios he plugged the characters into were not much to write home about.<BR/><BR/>I would be hard-pressed to be able count the great Woody, Chilly Willy, Andy Pandy, and Inspector Whiloby (SP?) shorts on Bugs BadIdeaSocietyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02402683768703087476noreply@blogger.com