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No you clealry have fear. Your fear if our nation doesnt torture somehow they "will do worse" to us, fear of if we dont torture and conduct 'human expriemrements' on them that they "may attempt to do to me or my family". Like I said, your whole justification is rooted in fear. Fear of if our nation does not partake in this action that they somehow will do worse to us, or they will do something undesirable to your family. You use this justification of we must do this action in attempts to stop a non-desirble action that may endanger others. AKA fear.

I quit reading at "clearly have fear". You don't know the first thing about me.
I have loathing if anything of those people. Not fear. I have zero compassion. I have no empathy. I have no want of understanding of them. I don't feel sorry for them. My heart doesn't bleed for them.
I will live all that up to your type.
But I can guarantee you, I have no fear.

So torture is okay, and human experimentation are okay because you have no empathy for them? Forget the whole concept if it actually works or not in intel gathering, or is an effective measure, or even if they are guilty of a crime, you lack empathy for them therefore its okay... Is that right?

I feel like thats even a worse justification than your "well if we dont torture we are gonna loose to the terrorists!" justification...

Quote me on saying "well if we don't torture we are gonna lose to the terrorists".

I quit reading at "clearly have fear". You don't know the first thing about me.
I have loathing if anything of those people. Not fear. I have zero compassion. I have no empathy. I have no want of understanding of them. I don't feel sorry for them. My heart doesn't bleed for them.
I will live all that up to your type.
But I can guarantee you, I have no fear.

So what happens if we dont torture? You said we have to because if we dont they will do worse to us, or worse to your family... How is that whole justification not based on fear? If we dont torture then this undesirable action will happen.

The only thing I can think of its the "My team vs your team" factor. As long as people are American and the violators are American they will always side with the American over the victim, if the victim isnt American. Like some of my distant families posts on facebook... They really dont care if America bombs indiscriminately, some Americans are huge fans of vicarious revenge news tickers.

I'm Finding it Harder to be a Gentleman, White Stripes ~ "You think I care about me and only me. When every girl needs help climbing up a tree."

What if Guantanamo was a indoctrination place to turn muslims into ISIS terrorists through torture and well placed propaganda? Would you care then if it was secretly churning out hundreds of mercenaries a month?

I'm Finding it Harder to be a Gentleman, White Stripes ~ "You think I care about me and only me. When every girl needs help climbing up a tree."

What if Guantanamo was a indoctrination place to turn muslims into ISIS terrorists through torture and well placed propaganda? Would you care then if it was secretly churning out hundreds of mercenaries a month?