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Your Daily Fix of Neuroscience, Skepticism, and Critical ThinkingSat, 01 Aug 2015 21:23:50 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1By: mumadaddhttp://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/ozone-sauna/comment-page-1/#comment-93283
mumadaddWed, 19 Nov 2014 13:52:01 +0000http://theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=5825#comment-93283"Ozone is only for people who are serious about their health and wellbeing and who have a positive approach to new and exciting things in life."
I'm sure there's a logical fallacy in here, although the name escapes me.“Ozone is only for people who are serious about their health and wellbeing and who have a positive approach to new and exciting things in life.”

I’m sure there’s a logical fallacy in here, although the name escapes me.

]]>By: sunflowerhttp://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/ozone-sauna/comment-page-1/#comment-93277
sunflowerWed, 19 Nov 2014 11:31:40 +0000http://theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=5825#comment-93277Hi GM,
It has been a year since you posted this comment...just wondering how you have been going with your Ozone Sauna.
I have only recently purchased one and would love to hear about your experiences.Hi GM,

It has been a year since you posted this comment…just wondering how you have been going with your Ozone Sauna.
I have only recently purchased one and would love to hear about your experiences.

]]>By: GMhttp://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/ozone-sauna/comment-page-1/#comment-58719
GMWed, 11 Sep 2013 08:03:51 +0000http://theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=5825#comment-58719I have since spoken to the chap that wrote the question to you about my weightloss, you of course had a full response from me to clarify the matter which I was sad to see you never published.
So on the basis that you only publish what suits your argument I know you won't publish this either, but no matter. Since I wrote to you on your Blog I have also been searching sources in Google, speaking to Doctors and Therapists and doing medical research on Ozone. All I can say is that you are completely in the dark when it comes to Ozone Therapy. Just like you I can also produce as much sceptical nonsense as I want from articles on Google. My advice for those who start off being sceptical is I suggest they move on, Ozone is only for people who are serious about their health and wellbeing and who have a positive approach to new and exciting things in life.
If you really want to know the power of Ozone, start doing your research on Germany - Almost every Medical Doctor in Germany uses ozone in their medical facilities as a matter of course. It is part of their offerings for health. Ozone Therpay is endorsed by the German Government and it is used in almost every hospital and clinic. Now if you really want to know the benefits of Ozone, talk to the Germans you will find some startling statistics about their low levels of viral, bacterial and fungal deseases and their use of Ozone in the treatment of cancer. But of course, I already know that you, as a sceptic, will find some other reason to justify that. But here is more, over 50 countries in the world use Ozone, tens of thousands of doctors and therapists use ozone, 20 USA states have endorsed Ozone, and for the benefits to real people of Ozone Treatment just search Youtube for the thousands of people who are sharing their recovery information after using Ozone. Also, checkout the Nobel winners, you may find something there about the effect of Oxygen on Cancer cells that makes your so called findings on the subject look ignorant.
Anyway, it is your Blog, you do what you want but it seems to me that the momentum that is building around the effectiveness of Ozone will wash people like you away in due course. As for me, my Ozone Sauna arrived this week, I have it in my house for personal use by me and my family and I am looking forward to a long and healthy life.I have since spoken to the chap that wrote the question to you about my weightloss, you of course had a full response from me to clarify the matter which I was sad to see you never published.

So on the basis that you only publish what suits your argument I know you won’t publish this either, but no matter. Since I wrote to you on your Blog I have also been searching sources in Google, speaking to Doctors and Therapists and doing medical research on Ozone. All I can say is that you are completely in the dark when it comes to Ozone Therapy. Just like you I can also produce as much sceptical nonsense as I want from articles on Google. My advice for those who start off being sceptical is I suggest they move on, Ozone is only for people who are serious about their health and wellbeing and who have a positive approach to new and exciting things in life.

If you really want to know the power of Ozone, start doing your research on Germany – Almost every Medical Doctor in Germany uses ozone in their medical facilities as a matter of course. It is part of their offerings for health. Ozone Therpay is endorsed by the German Government and it is used in almost every hospital and clinic. Now if you really want to know the benefits of Ozone, talk to the Germans you will find some startling statistics about their low levels of viral, bacterial and fungal deseases and their use of Ozone in the treatment of cancer. But of course, I already know that you, as a sceptic, will find some other reason to justify that. But here is more, over 50 countries in the world use Ozone, tens of thousands of doctors and therapists use ozone, 20 USA states have endorsed Ozone, and for the benefits to real people of Ozone Treatment just search Youtube for the thousands of people who are sharing their recovery information after using Ozone. Also, checkout the Nobel winners, you may find something there about the effect of Oxygen on Cancer cells that makes your so called findings on the subject look ignorant.

Anyway, it is your Blog, you do what you want but it seems to me that the momentum that is building around the effectiveness of Ozone will wash people like you away in due course. As for me, my Ozone Sauna arrived this week, I have it in my house for personal use by me and my family and I am looking forward to a long and healthy life.

]]>By: OlegShhttp://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/ozone-sauna/comment-page-1/#comment-58418
OlegShMon, 26 Aug 2013 19:43:12 +0000http://theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=5825#comment-58418Ozone is a toxic gas. According to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) exposure at 50 ppm (98 mg/m3) for 60 minutes will probably be fatal to humans. (Just for a reference, the amount of oxygen in 1 cubic meter is about 300 grams):
http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/idlh/10028156.html
The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) requires ozone output of indoor medical devices to be no more than 0.05 ppm (98 microgram per cubic meter). It’s hard to see any health benefits of the ozone saunas with such a small amount of active ingredient applied to human skin that does not have any breathing function.
Also, EPA has a special article written about “Ozone Air Cleaners”:
http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/ozonegen.html
So, in the best case of scenario they (saunas) don’t work. In the worst case scenario (if the Ozone concentration is higher) they impose a real health hazard.Ozone is a toxic gas. According to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) exposure at 50 ppm (98 mg/m3) for 60 minutes will probably be fatal to humans. (Just for a reference, the amount of oxygen in 1 cubic meter is about 300 grams):http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/idlh/10028156.html

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) requires ozone output of indoor medical devices to be no more than 0.05 ppm (98 microgram per cubic meter). It’s hard to see any health benefits of the ozone saunas with such a small amount of active ingredient applied to human skin that does not have any breathing function.

So, in the best case of scenario they (saunas) don’t work. In the worst case scenario (if the Ozone concentration is higher) they impose a real health hazard.

]]>By: norrisLhttp://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/ozone-sauna/comment-page-1/#comment-58220
norrisLThu, 15 Aug 2013 23:00:41 +0000http://theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=5825#comment-58220Did the US ever have so called "oxygen bars", where imbibers would breathe "pure" oxygen for some minutes or however long it may have been. There were a few of these on the Gold Coast not far from where I live in Queensland, Australia.Did the US ever have so called “oxygen bars”, where imbibers would breathe “pure” oxygen for some minutes or however long it may have been. There were a few of these on the Gold Coast not far from where I live in Queensland, Australia.
]]>By: steve12http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/ozone-sauna/comment-page-1/#comment-58135
steve12Fri, 09 Aug 2013 16:52:52 +0000http://theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=5825#comment-58135'Oxygenation therapists proposed that disease is caused by absence of oxygen and loss of cellular ability to use oxygen for “good energy” metabolism'
A short cut if pressed for time is to dismiss any claim that talks nebulously about "energy". There are many buzzterms to look out for in the BS Universe - vibrations, toxins, western science (whatever this means), shaman, etc. But the one that has stood the test of time and seems simply irresistible to the pseudoscience crowd is energy.‘Oxygenation therapists proposed that disease is caused by absence of oxygen and loss of cellular ability to use oxygen for “good energy” metabolism’

A short cut if pressed for time is to dismiss any claim that talks nebulously about “energy”. There are many buzzterms to look out for in the BS Universe – vibrations, toxins, western science (whatever this means), shaman, etc. But the one that has stood the test of time and seems simply irresistible to the pseudoscience crowd is energy.

]]>By: ccbowershttp://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/ozone-sauna/comment-page-1/#comment-58134
ccbowersFri, 09 Aug 2013 16:51:40 +0000http://theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=5825#comment-58134"Whatever. I’d find a new doctor, but that’s an annoying process and the next guy could be just as bad."
Do it. It's a hassle, and there isn't a great and easy way to do it, but make the time to find a new physician. If you don't trust the one you have, even a random dart throw would probably find a you one that is better suited, and I'm sure that you can do better than chance. Small hassle now, but potentially much less hassle long term“Whatever. I’d find a new doctor, but that’s an annoying process and the next guy could be just as bad.”

Do it. It’s a hassle, and there isn’t a great and easy way to do it, but make the time to find a new physician. If you don’t trust the one you have, even a random dart throw would probably find a you one that is better suited, and I’m sure that you can do better than chance. Small hassle now, but potentially much less hassle long term

]]>By: Aardwarkhttp://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/ozone-sauna/comment-page-1/#comment-58133
AardwarkFri, 09 Aug 2013 14:17:42 +0000http://theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=5825#comment-58133@jettero,
Your comment made me reflect upon a subtype of quackery that, in a way, is even more irritating than the usual - namely, using validated science-based diagnostic methods and then allowing gross pseudo-scientific interpretations of results.
Enzyme-linked immunosorbent assays (ELISA) are, just as your experience illustrates, a perfect example. This is an elegant and powerful diagnostic technology used to measure quantities of specific substances in bodily fluids. It is based on monoclonal antibodies that specifically recognize and bind the molecule that is being investigated. These antibodies are labeled with an enzyme, leading to a proportional quantity of a colored reaction product.
However, as you seem to have found out the hard way, some quacks have found ELISA a useful material for their schemes - there are laboratories that claim to measure - by a 'sort of' ELISA - 'responses of lymphocytes' to 'allergens'. This does not work at all, the results have just as much meaning as if they just put down numbers by random. I feel that this is an example of the most insidious form of quackery - one that, in its alleged principles, comes very close to the real thing - and yet is light-years away from it.
One potential harm this type of quack does, apart from separating people from their money and suggesting to them lifestyle changes without any benefit (or, at least, without any additional reason to think there is one), is to reduce the public credibility of perfectly good scientific methods, like ELISA. For instance, anti-gliadin antibodies Dr Novella mentioned in the previous article, are routinely being measured by an ELISA test. But, unlike the quacks' version, for legitimate ELISA what is measured is meaningful and there is evidence-based knowledge about how to interpret results.@jettero,

Your comment made me reflect upon a subtype of quackery that, in a way, is even more irritating than the usual – namely, using validated science-based diagnostic methods and then allowing gross pseudo-scientific interpretations of results.

Enzyme-linked immunosorbent assays (ELISA) are, just as your experience illustrates, a perfect example. This is an elegant and powerful diagnostic technology used to measure quantities of specific substances in bodily fluids. It is based on monoclonal antibodies that specifically recognize and bind the molecule that is being investigated. These antibodies are labeled with an enzyme, leading to a proportional quantity of a colored reaction product.

However, as you seem to have found out the hard way, some quacks have found ELISA a useful material for their schemes – there are laboratories that claim to measure – by a ‘sort of’ ELISA – ‘responses of lymphocytes’ to ‘allergens’. This does not work at all, the results have just as much meaning as if they just put down numbers by random. I feel that this is an example of the most insidious form of quackery – one that, in its alleged principles, comes very close to the real thing – and yet is light-years away from it.

One potential harm this type of quack does, apart from separating people from their money and suggesting to them lifestyle changes without any benefit (or, at least, without any additional reason to think there is one), is to reduce the public credibility of perfectly good scientific methods, like ELISA. For instance, anti-gliadin antibodies Dr Novella mentioned in the previous article, are routinely being measured by an ELISA test. But, unlike the quacks’ version, for legitimate ELISA what is measured is meaningful and there is evidence-based knowledge about how to interpret results.

]]>By: pdeboerhttp://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/ozone-sauna/comment-page-1/#comment-58132
pdeboerFri, 09 Aug 2013 14:03:39 +0000http://theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=5825#comment-58132I find it useful as a critical thinking tool to reverse this technique on some science claims to see the fallacious logic of the opposition. Its also a good method to refine your fact checking skills too.
Just type AIDS hoax into google and see what nonsense comes up. Then try to substantiate the dubious claims with legitimate science. Its frustrating when its just a fabrication, but most of the time you can find some reference taken out of context, or a conclusion made on the research that the researcher never claimed.
Caution, it will be a little depressing, because a lot of denialism is linked with some hatred for some group, be they government, medical scientist, etc. Its satisfying to follow a reference chain and see the broken telephone game they play.I find it useful as a critical thinking tool to reverse this technique on some science claims to see the fallacious logic of the opposition. Its also a good method to refine your fact checking skills too.

Just type AIDS hoax into google and see what nonsense comes up. Then try to substantiate the dubious claims with legitimate science. Its frustrating when its just a fabrication, but most of the time you can find some reference taken out of context, or a conclusion made on the research that the researcher never claimed.

Caution, it will be a little depressing, because a lot of denialism is linked with some hatred for some group, be they government, medical scientist, etc. Its satisfying to follow a reference chain and see the broken telephone game they play.

]]>By: Bruce Woodwardhttp://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/ozone-sauna/comment-page-1/#comment-58131
Bruce WoodwardFri, 09 Aug 2013 12:18:29 +0000http://theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=5825#comment-58131"He was given treatment using an Ozone sauna together with a much healthier diet of mainly raw vegetables. During the two weeks he lost 16lb and generally feels great. He puts this all down to the Ozone sauna!"
I love how he got some woo treatment and at the same time ate healthier food and immediately jumps to the conclusion that it was the woo that helped. This is just like those weight loss pill ads which have the disclaimer "to be taken along with a calorie controlled diet". We are supposed to eat fewer calories and take the pills and then give the credit to the pills for the inevitable weight loss!
/Picard facepalm“He was given treatment using an Ozone sauna together with a much healthier diet of mainly raw vegetables. During the two weeks he lost 16lb and generally feels great. He puts this all down to the Ozone sauna!”

I love how he got some woo treatment and at the same time ate healthier food and immediately jumps to the conclusion that it was the woo that helped. This is just like those weight loss pill ads which have the disclaimer “to be taken along with a calorie controlled diet”. We are supposed to eat fewer calories and take the pills and then give the credit to the pills for the inevitable weight loss!