He said: “There will be an element of protestors who will be here for other purposes, we expect there to be protests for 7 to 10 days. It could be in Newport, Cardiff or London.

"We have got to plan for the worst.”

The force's priority is the safety and security of high profile heads of state and to minimise disruption, Mr Farrar added.

The Celtic Manor Resort, where the event will take place from September 4th to September 6th, will itself be closed off to the public three to four days before the start of the event for the police to search and seal the premises.

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According to a statement from No to NATO Newport, protest events will start on August 30 and will include a weekend march, a counter summit, a week-long peace camp, and protests on the summit’s opening day.

The group says the protests could be the biggest in Wales in a generation.

Wales Green Party leader Pippa Bartolotti said: “We’ve got a lot of interest across Europe and some from the United States... We’re expecting a large contingent from Germany but also from France.”

The protests will include a counter summit, which Ms Bartolotti suggests it is provisionally booked for Newport Centre, as well as a march across Wales

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She added that Newport was “about to be shafted, again. £40 million of public money was spent on the Ryder Cup, and the cost of the NATO meeting together with all the associated security and policing costs will be of no benefit to Newport, the jobs it needs and the people whose lives it will inconvenience.”

“The least we can do is voice the arguments against holding the Trident nuclear arsenal – due to be updated at a cost of £100billion over its 25 year lifetime – which will never be used, and which will largely be paid for by the very poorest in society,” she added.

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Comments (26)

As the Russian seizure of part of Ukraine, undoubtedly to be followed by attacks on the Baltic States (after all communist China got away with seizing Tibet, so why not?) so aptly demonstrates the continuing need for NATO it is deeply amusing to see the old dinosaurs like the Campaign for Unilateral Disarmament heave themselves wearily out of the swamp and lumber about their business-which will of course NEVER include exposing themselves to risk by showing off in Moscow or Peking.

As the Russian seizure of part of Ukraine, undoubtedly to be followed by attacks on the Baltic States (after all communist China got away with seizing Tibet, so why not?) so aptly demonstrates the continuing need for NATO it is deeply amusing to see the old dinosaurs like the Campaign for Unilateral Disarmament heave themselves wearily out of the swamp and lumber about their business-which will of course NEVER include exposing themselves to risk by showing off in Moscow or Peking.Dai Rear

As the Russian seizure of part of Ukraine, undoubtedly to be followed by attacks on the Baltic States (after all communist China got away with seizing Tibet, so why not?) so aptly demonstrates the continuing need for NATO it is deeply amusing to see the old dinosaurs like the Campaign for Unilateral Disarmament heave themselves wearily out of the swamp and lumber about their business-which will of course NEVER include exposing themselves to risk by showing off in Moscow or Peking.

Score: 10

Cefn17 says...8:15am Mon 24 Mar 14

"The force's priority is the safety and security of high profile heads of state" - and what about the public of Newport?

"The force's priority is the safety and security of high profile heads of state" - and what about the public of Newport?Cefn17

"The force's priority is the safety and security of high profile heads of state" - and what about the public of Newport?

Score: 46

ex-St. Julians boy says...8:25am Mon 24 Mar 14

You never know. These 20,000 'visitors' might all decide to head into town and spend their money in the shops providing a welcome boost to the local economy

You never know. These 20,000 'visitors' might all decide to head into town and spend their money in the shops providing a welcome boost to the local economyex-St. Julians boy

You never know. These 20,000 'visitors' might all decide to head into town and spend their money in the shops providing a welcome boost to the local economy

Score: 47

Mervyn James says...9:48am Mon 24 Mar 14

Dai Rear wrote…

As the Russian seizure of part of Ukraine, undoubtedly to be followed by attacks on the Baltic States (after all communist China got away with seizing Tibet, so why not?) so aptly demonstrates the continuing need for NATO it is deeply amusing to see the old dinosaurs like the Campaign for Unilateral Disarmament heave themselves wearily out of the swamp and lumber about their business-which will of course NEVER include exposing themselves to risk by showing off in Moscow or Peking.

Will Russia even turn up ? Apart from righteous indignation there is nothing at all the UK can contribute to the issue. The thing about demo's is they ALWAYS take place as far away from the action as possible, thus being pointless. We've had demos about Syria, Iraq, about Gay abuses in Africa/middle east, about Islamism etc, none have taken place where the issues are, we just get a record in the UK of making pointless demo's. One suspects Mc D's and a few others will make a killing via the protesters, I cannot see how or why, Newport should look forward to making a profit from the demo's, it shows a complete lack of understanding what it is all about. Now if they are talking about a demo regarding a few tiles on a wall.....

[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote:
As the Russian seizure of part of Ukraine, undoubtedly to be followed by attacks on the Baltic States (after all communist China got away with seizing Tibet, so why not?) so aptly demonstrates the continuing need for NATO it is deeply amusing to see the old dinosaurs like the Campaign for Unilateral Disarmament heave themselves wearily out of the swamp and lumber about their business-which will of course NEVER include exposing themselves to risk by showing off in Moscow or Peking.[/p][/quote]Will Russia even turn up ? Apart from righteous indignation there is nothing at all the UK can contribute to the issue. The thing about demo's is they ALWAYS take place as far away from the action as possible, thus being pointless. We've had demos about Syria, Iraq, about Gay abuses in Africa/middle east, about Islamism etc, none have taken place where the issues are, we just get a record in the UK of making pointless demo's. One suspects Mc D's and a few others will make a killing via the protesters, I cannot see how or why, Newport should look forward to making a profit from the demo's, it shows a complete lack of understanding what it is all about. Now if they are talking about a demo regarding a few tiles on a wall.....Mervyn James

Dai Rear wrote…

As the Russian seizure of part of Ukraine, undoubtedly to be followed by attacks on the Baltic States (after all communist China got away with seizing Tibet, so why not?) so aptly demonstrates the continuing need for NATO it is deeply amusing to see the old dinosaurs like the Campaign for Unilateral Disarmament heave themselves wearily out of the swamp and lumber about their business-which will of course NEVER include exposing themselves to risk by showing off in Moscow or Peking.

Will Russia even turn up ? Apart from righteous indignation there is nothing at all the UK can contribute to the issue. The thing about demo's is they ALWAYS take place as far away from the action as possible, thus being pointless. We've had demos about Syria, Iraq, about Gay abuses in Africa/middle east, about Islamism etc, none have taken place where the issues are, we just get a record in the UK of making pointless demo's. One suspects Mc D's and a few others will make a killing via the protesters, I cannot see how or why, Newport should look forward to making a profit from the demo's, it shows a complete lack of understanding what it is all about. Now if they are talking about a demo regarding a few tiles on a wall.....

Score: -19

sperduti says...12:35pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Cefn17 wrote…

"The force's priority is the safety and security of high profile heads of state" - and what about the public of Newport?

if our safety isnt a priorty then should be banned this protest !! what do they achieve nothing? no one listens to them !! all they do is damage shop windows and loot!!! we don't have the police resources for all this!!

[quote][p][bold]Cefn17[/bold] wrote:
"The force's priority is the safety and security of high profile heads of state" - and what about the public of Newport?[/p][/quote]if our safety isnt a priorty then should be banned this protest !! what do they achieve nothing? no one listens to them !! all they do is damage shop windows and loot!!! we don't have the police resources for all this!!sperduti

Cefn17 wrote…

"The force's priority is the safety and security of high profile heads of state" - and what about the public of Newport?

if our safety isnt a priorty then should be banned this protest !! what do they achieve nothing? no one listens to them !! all they do is damage shop windows and loot!!! we don't have the police resources for all this!!

Score: 1

regaturn says...2:12pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Gwent police are'nt particularly good at compiling figures are they? remember last year when Jeff admitted to the Home Select Committee that on a particular date last July the crime figures were under reported by 50 %. Can we have a second opinion please.

Gwent police are'nt particularly good at compiling figures are they? remember last year when Jeff admitted to the Home Select Committee that on a particular date last July the crime figures were under reported by 50 %. Can we have a second opinion please.regaturn

Gwent police are'nt particularly good at compiling figures are they? remember last year when Jeff admitted to the Home Select Committee that on a particular date last July the crime figures were under reported by 50 %. Can we have a second opinion please.

Score: 4

Magor says...3:43pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Mervyn James wrote…

Dai Rear wrote…

As the Russian seizure of part of Ukraine, undoubtedly to be followed by attacks on the Baltic States (after all communist China got away with seizing Tibet, so why not?) so aptly demonstrates the continuing need for NATO it is deeply amusing to see the old dinosaurs like the Campaign for Unilateral Disarmament heave themselves wearily out of the swamp and lumber about their business-which will of course NEVER include exposing themselves to risk by showing off in Moscow or Peking.

Will Russia even turn up ? Apart from righteous indignation there is nothing at all the UK can contribute to the issue. The thing about demo's is they ALWAYS take place as far away from the action as possible, thus being pointless. We've had demos about Syria, Iraq, about Gay abuses in Africa/middle east, about Islamism etc, none have taken place where the issues are, we just get a record in the UK of making pointless demo's. One suspects Mc D's and a few others will make a killing via the protesters, I cannot see how or why, Newport should look forward to making a profit from the demo's, it shows a complete lack of understanding what it is all about. Now if they are talking about a demo regarding a few tiles on a wall.....

I think you will find Mc D's boarded up they seem to always be the target of these demos.

[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote:
As the Russian seizure of part of Ukraine, undoubtedly to be followed by attacks on the Baltic States (after all communist China got away with seizing Tibet, so why not?) so aptly demonstrates the continuing need for NATO it is deeply amusing to see the old dinosaurs like the Campaign for Unilateral Disarmament heave themselves wearily out of the swamp and lumber about their business-which will of course NEVER include exposing themselves to risk by showing off in Moscow or Peking.[/p][/quote]Will Russia even turn up ? Apart from righteous indignation there is nothing at all the UK can contribute to the issue. The thing about demo's is they ALWAYS take place as far away from the action as possible, thus being pointless. We've had demos about Syria, Iraq, about Gay abuses in Africa/middle east, about Islamism etc, none have taken place where the issues are, we just get a record in the UK of making pointless demo's. One suspects Mc D's and a few others will make a killing via the protesters, I cannot see how or why, Newport should look forward to making a profit from the demo's, it shows a complete lack of understanding what it is all about. Now if they are talking about a demo regarding a few tiles on a wall.....[/p][/quote]I think you will find Mc D's boarded up they seem to always be the target of these demos.Magor

Mervyn James wrote…

Dai Rear wrote…

As the Russian seizure of part of Ukraine, undoubtedly to be followed by attacks on the Baltic States (after all communist China got away with seizing Tibet, so why not?) so aptly demonstrates the continuing need for NATO it is deeply amusing to see the old dinosaurs like the Campaign for Unilateral Disarmament heave themselves wearily out of the swamp and lumber about their business-which will of course NEVER include exposing themselves to risk by showing off in Moscow or Peking.

Will Russia even turn up ? Apart from righteous indignation there is nothing at all the UK can contribute to the issue. The thing about demo's is they ALWAYS take place as far away from the action as possible, thus being pointless. We've had demos about Syria, Iraq, about Gay abuses in Africa/middle east, about Islamism etc, none have taken place where the issues are, we just get a record in the UK of making pointless demo's. One suspects Mc D's and a few others will make a killing via the protesters, I cannot see how or why, Newport should look forward to making a profit from the demo's, it shows a complete lack of understanding what it is all about. Now if they are talking about a demo regarding a few tiles on a wall.....

I think you will find Mc D's boarded up they seem to always be the target of these demos.

Score: 2

Leepod says...4:10pm Mon 24 Mar 14

ex-St. Julians boy wrote…

You never know. These 20,000 'visitors' might all decide to head into town and spend their money in the shops providing a welcome boost to the local economy

Probably create more income than the Ryder Cup did for the Town

[quote][p][bold]ex-St. Julians boy[/bold] wrote:
You never know. These 20,000 'visitors' might all decide to head into town and spend their money in the shops providing a welcome boost to the local economy[/p][/quote]Probably create more income than the Ryder Cup did for the TownLeepod

ex-St. Julians boy wrote…

You never know. These 20,000 'visitors' might all decide to head into town and spend their money in the shops providing a welcome boost to the local economy

Probably create more income than the Ryder Cup did for the Town

Score: 8

Rabid_Dale says...4:17pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Gwent Police would have trouble Policing a under 10s disco never mind 20,000 left wing loons.

Gwent Police would have trouble Policing a under 10s disco never mind 20,000 left wing loons.Rabid_Dale

Gwent Police would have trouble Policing a under 10s disco never mind 20,000 left wing loons.

Score: 11

Llanmartinangel says...4:37pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Rabid_Dale wrote…

Gwent Police would have trouble Policing a under 10s disco never mind 20,000 left wing loons.

How true. I watched police, armed to the nines, look on as hooligans wrecked shops and private cars in London a few years back. They are terrified of being filmed on mobiles and human rights lawyers.

[quote][p][bold]Rabid_Dale[/bold] wrote:
Gwent Police would have trouble Policing a under 10s disco never mind 20,000 left wing loons.[/p][/quote]How true. I watched police, armed to the nines, look on as hooligans wrecked shops and private cars in London a few years back. They are terrified of being filmed on mobiles and human rights lawyers.Llanmartinangel

Rabid_Dale wrote…

Gwent Police would have trouble Policing a under 10s disco never mind 20,000 left wing loons.

How true. I watched police, armed to the nines, look on as hooligans wrecked shops and private cars in London a few years back. They are terrified of being filmed on mobiles and human rights lawyers.

Score: 2

Magor says...5:07pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Gwent Police will be in the minority, there will be Police and Troops from all over the place.

Gwent Police will be in the minority, there will be Police and Troops from all over the place.Magor

Gwent Police will be in the minority, there will be Police and Troops from all over the place.

Score: 8

Mervyn James says...6:50pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Magor wrote…

Mervyn James wrote…

Dai Rear wrote…

As the Russian seizure of part of Ukraine, undoubtedly to be followed by attacks on the Baltic States (after all communist China got away with seizing Tibet, so why not?) so aptly demonstrates the continuing need for NATO it is deeply amusing to see the old dinosaurs like the Campaign for Unilateral Disarmament heave themselves wearily out of the swamp and lumber about their business-which will of course NEVER include exposing themselves to risk by showing off in Moscow or Peking.

Will Russia even turn up ? Apart from righteous indignation there is nothing at all the UK can contribute to the issue. The thing about demo's is they ALWAYS take place as far away from the action as possible, thus being pointless. We've had demos about Syria, Iraq, about Gay abuses in Africa/middle east, about Islamism etc, none have taken place where the issues are, we just get a record in the UK of making pointless demo's. One suspects Mc D's and a few others will make a killing via the protesters, I cannot see how or why, Newport should look forward to making a profit from the demo's, it shows a complete lack of understanding what it is all about. Now if they are talking about a demo regarding a few tiles on a wall.....

I think you will find Mc D's boarded up they seem to always be the target of these demos.

Couldn't happen to nicer people really....

[quote][p][bold]Magor[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote:
As the Russian seizure of part of Ukraine, undoubtedly to be followed by attacks on the Baltic States (after all communist China got away with seizing Tibet, so why not?) so aptly demonstrates the continuing need for NATO it is deeply amusing to see the old dinosaurs like the Campaign for Unilateral Disarmament heave themselves wearily out of the swamp and lumber about their business-which will of course NEVER include exposing themselves to risk by showing off in Moscow or Peking.[/p][/quote]Will Russia even turn up ? Apart from righteous indignation there is nothing at all the UK can contribute to the issue. The thing about demo's is they ALWAYS take place as far away from the action as possible, thus being pointless. We've had demos about Syria, Iraq, about Gay abuses in Africa/middle east, about Islamism etc, none have taken place where the issues are, we just get a record in the UK of making pointless demo's. One suspects Mc D's and a few others will make a killing via the protesters, I cannot see how or why, Newport should look forward to making a profit from the demo's, it shows a complete lack of understanding what it is all about. Now if they are talking about a demo regarding a few tiles on a wall.....[/p][/quote]I think you will find Mc D's boarded up they seem to always be the target of these demos.[/p][/quote]Couldn't happen to nicer people really....Mervyn James

Magor wrote…

Mervyn James wrote…

Dai Rear wrote…

As the Russian seizure of part of Ukraine, undoubtedly to be followed by attacks on the Baltic States (after all communist China got away with seizing Tibet, so why not?) so aptly demonstrates the continuing need for NATO it is deeply amusing to see the old dinosaurs like the Campaign for Unilateral Disarmament heave themselves wearily out of the swamp and lumber about their business-which will of course NEVER include exposing themselves to risk by showing off in Moscow or Peking.

Will Russia even turn up ? Apart from righteous indignation there is nothing at all the UK can contribute to the issue. The thing about demo's is they ALWAYS take place as far away from the action as possible, thus being pointless. We've had demos about Syria, Iraq, about Gay abuses in Africa/middle east, about Islamism etc, none have taken place where the issues are, we just get a record in the UK of making pointless demo's. One suspects Mc D's and a few others will make a killing via the protesters, I cannot see how or why, Newport should look forward to making a profit from the demo's, it shows a complete lack of understanding what it is all about. Now if they are talking about a demo regarding a few tiles on a wall.....

I think you will find Mc D's boarded up they seem to always be the target of these demos.

Couldn't happen to nicer people really....

Score: 2

The Red Claw says...7:30pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Would this be the 'huge coup' for Newport referred to a few weeks back?

Would this be the 'huge coup' for Newport referred to a few weeks back?The Red Claw

Would this be the 'huge coup' for Newport referred to a few weeks back?

Score: 3

jd1234 says...9:37pm Mon 24 Mar 14

How will the poorest in society be paying for 'it'? I reckon the tax payers will be doing that.

How will the poorest in society be paying for 'it'? I reckon the tax payers will be doing that.jd1234

How will the poorest in society be paying for 'it'? I reckon the tax payers will be doing that.

Score: 4

The People's Republic of Newp says...10:56pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Dai Rear wrote…

As the Russian seizure of part of Ukraine, undoubtedly to be followed by attacks on the Baltic States (after all communist China got away with seizing Tibet, so why not?) so aptly demonstrates the continuing need for NATO it is deeply amusing to see the old dinosaurs like the Campaign for Unilateral Disarmament heave themselves wearily out of the swamp and lumber about their business-which will of course NEVER include exposing themselves to risk by showing off in Moscow or Peking.

Nonsense. NATO was and remains a Cold War relic and a significant impediment to the normalisation of Russo-West relations.

[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote:
As the Russian seizure of part of Ukraine, undoubtedly to be followed by attacks on the Baltic States (after all communist China got away with seizing Tibet, so why not?) so aptly demonstrates the continuing need for NATO it is deeply amusing to see the old dinosaurs like the Campaign for Unilateral Disarmament heave themselves wearily out of the swamp and lumber about their business-which will of course NEVER include exposing themselves to risk by showing off in Moscow or Peking.[/p][/quote]Nonsense. NATO was and remains a Cold War relic and a significant impediment to the normalisation of Russo-West relations.The People's Republic of Newp

Dai Rear wrote…

As the Russian seizure of part of Ukraine, undoubtedly to be followed by attacks on the Baltic States (after all communist China got away with seizing Tibet, so why not?) so aptly demonstrates the continuing need for NATO it is deeply amusing to see the old dinosaurs like the Campaign for Unilateral Disarmament heave themselves wearily out of the swamp and lumber about their business-which will of course NEVER include exposing themselves to risk by showing off in Moscow or Peking.

Nonsense. NATO was and remains a Cold War relic and a significant impediment to the normalisation of Russo-West relations.

Score: 2

Dai Rear says...7:10am Tue 25 Mar 14

The People's Republic of Newp wrote…

Dai Rear wrote…

As the Russian seizure of part of Ukraine, undoubtedly to be followed by attacks on the Baltic States (after all communist China got away with seizing Tibet, so why not?) so aptly demonstrates the continuing need for NATO it is deeply amusing to see the old dinosaurs like the Campaign for Unilateral Disarmament heave themselves wearily out of the swamp and lumber about their business-which will of course NEVER include exposing themselves to risk by showing off in Moscow or Peking.

Nonsense. NATO was and remains a Cold War relic and a significant impediment to the normalisation of Russo-West relations.

"Normal relations" with a man like Putin being....What?

[quote][p][bold]The People's Republic of Newp[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote:
As the Russian seizure of part of Ukraine, undoubtedly to be followed by attacks on the Baltic States (after all communist China got away with seizing Tibet, so why not?) so aptly demonstrates the continuing need for NATO it is deeply amusing to see the old dinosaurs like the Campaign for Unilateral Disarmament heave themselves wearily out of the swamp and lumber about their business-which will of course NEVER include exposing themselves to risk by showing off in Moscow or Peking.[/p][/quote]Nonsense. NATO was and remains a Cold War relic and a significant impediment to the normalisation of Russo-West relations.[/p][/quote]"Normal relations" with a man like Putin being....What?Dai Rear

The People's Republic of Newp wrote…

Dai Rear wrote…

As the Russian seizure of part of Ukraine, undoubtedly to be followed by attacks on the Baltic States (after all communist China got away with seizing Tibet, so why not?) so aptly demonstrates the continuing need for NATO it is deeply amusing to see the old dinosaurs like the Campaign for Unilateral Disarmament heave themselves wearily out of the swamp and lumber about their business-which will of course NEVER include exposing themselves to risk by showing off in Moscow or Peking.

Nonsense. NATO was and remains a Cold War relic and a significant impediment to the normalisation of Russo-West relations.

"Normal relations" with a man like Putin being....What?

Score: -2

scraptheWAG says...7:27am Tue 25 Mar 14

how the town does not get damaged, the suspect the high brow will have to take extra protection

how the town does not get damaged, the suspect the high brow will have to take extra protectionscraptheWAG

how the town does not get damaged, the suspect the high brow will have to take extra protection

Score: -3

Ollie254 says...4:27pm Tue 25 Mar 14

regaturn wrote…

Gwent police are'nt particularly good at compiling figures are they? remember last year when Jeff admitted to the Home Select Committee that on a particular date last July the crime figures were under reported by 50 %. Can we have a second opinion please.

It wasn't Jeff,s fault.......it was the one before, you know the one that all the Labour MP,s created a storm about when she left.

[quote][p][bold]regaturn[/bold] wrote:
Gwent police are'nt particularly good at compiling figures are they? remember last year when Jeff admitted to the Home Select Committee that on a particular date last July the crime figures were under reported by 50 %. Can we have a second opinion please.[/p][/quote]It wasn't Jeff,s fault.......it was the one before, you know the one that all the Labour MP,s created a storm about when she left.Ollie254

regaturn wrote…

Gwent police are'nt particularly good at compiling figures are they? remember last year when Jeff admitted to the Home Select Committee that on a particular date last July the crime figures were under reported by 50 %. Can we have a second opinion please.

It wasn't Jeff,s fault.......it was the one before, you know the one that all the Labour MP,s created a storm about when she left.

Score: 0

Mervyn James says...8:10pm Tue 25 Mar 14

scraptheWAG wrote…

how the town does not get damaged, the suspect the high brow will have to take extra protection

What POSSIBLE damage could vandals and protestors DO to Newport ? (The council beat them to it).

[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote:
how the town does not get damaged, the suspect the high brow will have to take extra protection[/p][/quote]What POSSIBLE damage could vandals and protestors DO to Newport ? (The council beat them to it).Mervyn James

scraptheWAG wrote…

how the town does not get damaged, the suspect the high brow will have to take extra protection

What POSSIBLE damage could vandals and protestors DO to Newport ? (The council beat them to it).

Score: -1

The People's Republic of Newp says...9:20pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Dai Rear wrote…

The People's Republic of Newp wrote…

Dai Rear wrote…

As the Russian seizure of part of Ukraine, undoubtedly to be followed by attacks on the Baltic States (after all communist China got away with seizing Tibet, so why not?) so aptly demonstrates the continuing need for NATO it is deeply amusing to see the old dinosaurs like the Campaign for Unilateral Disarmament heave themselves wearily out of the swamp and lumber about their business-which will of course NEVER include exposing themselves to risk by showing off in Moscow or Peking.

Nonsense. NATO was and remains a Cold War relic and a significant impediment to the normalisation of Russo-West relations.

"Normal relations" with a man like Putin being....What?

I wasn't aware that Putin was in power in '89/90. Do you honestly believe the gradual extension of the EC (and EU) and NATO to within a few hundred miles of the Russian border played no part in the hardening of the Russian position post 1990? Lets not forget this was a nation that suffered to far greater an extent than any other WW2 participant, and which has ample right to district political manoeuvring from the west. To my mind, the deliberate exclusion of Russia from NATO after glasnost and perestroika hastened the isolation, fear and extremism that Putin has so expertly exploited. Who's to say what the result might have been had we collaboratively devised new international defensive arrangements that rejected the Cold War paradigm? There's no doubt the guy's a horrorshow... but he didn't appear out of the ether.

[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]The People's Republic of Newp[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote:
As the Russian seizure of part of Ukraine, undoubtedly to be followed by attacks on the Baltic States (after all communist China got away with seizing Tibet, so why not?) so aptly demonstrates the continuing need for NATO it is deeply amusing to see the old dinosaurs like the Campaign for Unilateral Disarmament heave themselves wearily out of the swamp and lumber about their business-which will of course NEVER include exposing themselves to risk by showing off in Moscow or Peking.[/p][/quote]Nonsense. NATO was and remains a Cold War relic and a significant impediment to the normalisation of Russo-West relations.[/p][/quote]"Normal relations" with a man like Putin being....What?[/p][/quote]I wasn't aware that Putin was in power in '89/90.
Do you honestly believe the gradual extension of the EC (and EU) and NATO to within a few hundred miles of the Russian border played no part in the hardening of the Russian position post 1990? Lets not forget this was a nation that suffered to far greater an extent than any other WW2 participant, and which has ample right to district political manoeuvring from the west.
To my mind, the deliberate exclusion of Russia from NATO after glasnost and perestroika hastened the isolation, fear and extremism that Putin has so expertly exploited. Who's to say what the result might have been had we collaboratively devised new international defensive arrangements that rejected the Cold War paradigm?
There's no doubt the guy's a horrorshow... but he didn't appear out of the ether.The People's Republic of Newp

Dai Rear wrote…

The People's Republic of Newp wrote…

Dai Rear wrote…

As the Russian seizure of part of Ukraine, undoubtedly to be followed by attacks on the Baltic States (after all communist China got away with seizing Tibet, so why not?) so aptly demonstrates the continuing need for NATO it is deeply amusing to see the old dinosaurs like the Campaign for Unilateral Disarmament heave themselves wearily out of the swamp and lumber about their business-which will of course NEVER include exposing themselves to risk by showing off in Moscow or Peking.

Nonsense. NATO was and remains a Cold War relic and a significant impediment to the normalisation of Russo-West relations.

"Normal relations" with a man like Putin being....What?

I wasn't aware that Putin was in power in '89/90. Do you honestly believe the gradual extension of the EC (and EU) and NATO to within a few hundred miles of the Russian border played no part in the hardening of the Russian position post 1990? Lets not forget this was a nation that suffered to far greater an extent than any other WW2 participant, and which has ample right to district political manoeuvring from the west. To my mind, the deliberate exclusion of Russia from NATO after glasnost and perestroika hastened the isolation, fear and extremism that Putin has so expertly exploited. Who's to say what the result might have been had we collaboratively devised new international defensive arrangements that rejected the Cold War paradigm? There's no doubt the guy's a horrorshow... but he didn't appear out of the ether.

Score: -1

Dai Rear says...8:04am Wed 26 Mar 14

He was a senior officer in the KGB so I suppose he had the power of death over the citizen but no, he wasn't President. It's a big debate. I agree it would have been unlikely that Russians would ever understand that they suffered massive losses against their former allies in 41/42 because Stalin had systematically eliminated experienced leaders in the Red Army. But would they have ever settled into an arrangement based on the Rule of Law and respect for property rights, which is essentially what NATO and (through clenched teeth) the EU is about? The rise of the oligarchs says not. However EU meddling has been, again to put it mildly, unhelpful. But NATO is all we have now if the man decides he wants a "Drang Nach Westen" into the Baltic. And believe me, he will, as the minerals start to run out. It is necessary for a Rogue State to have an external enemy to blame and sadly Putin's Russia is a Rogue State.

He was a senior officer in the KGB so I suppose he had the power of death over the citizen but no, he wasn't President. It's a big debate. I agree it would have been unlikely that Russians would ever understand that they suffered massive losses against their former allies in 41/42 because Stalin had systematically eliminated experienced leaders in the Red Army.
But would they have ever settled into an arrangement based on the Rule of Law and respect for property rights, which is essentially what NATO and (through clenched teeth) the EU is about? The rise of the oligarchs says not. However EU meddling has been, again to put it mildly, unhelpful.
But NATO is all we have now if the man decides he wants a "Drang Nach Westen" into the Baltic. And believe me, he will, as the minerals start to run out. It is necessary for a Rogue State to have an external enemy to blame and sadly Putin's Russia is a Rogue State.Dai Rear

He was a senior officer in the KGB so I suppose he had the power of death over the citizen but no, he wasn't President. It's a big debate. I agree it would have been unlikely that Russians would ever understand that they suffered massive losses against their former allies in 41/42 because Stalin had systematically eliminated experienced leaders in the Red Army. But would they have ever settled into an arrangement based on the Rule of Law and respect for property rights, which is essentially what NATO and (through clenched teeth) the EU is about? The rise of the oligarchs says not. However EU meddling has been, again to put it mildly, unhelpful. But NATO is all we have now if the man decides he wants a "Drang Nach Westen" into the Baltic. And believe me, he will, as the minerals start to run out. It is necessary for a Rogue State to have an external enemy to blame and sadly Putin's Russia is a Rogue State.

Score: 1

The People's Republic of Newp says...9:50pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Dai Rear wrote…

He was a senior officer in the KGB so I suppose he had the power of death over the citizen but no, he wasn't President. It's a big debate. I agree it would have been unlikely that Russians would ever understand that they suffered massive losses against their former allies in 41/42 because Stalin had systematically eliminated experienced leaders in the Red Army. But would they have ever settled into an arrangement based on the Rule of Law and respect for property rights, which is essentially what NATO and (through clenched teeth) the EU is about? The rise of the oligarchs says not. However EU meddling has been, again to put it mildly, unhelpful. But NATO is all we have now if the man decides he wants a "Drang Nach Westen" into the Baltic. And believe me, he will, as the minerals start to run out. It is necessary for a Rogue State to have an external enemy to blame and sadly Putin's Russia is a Rogue State.

Hard to disagree with any of that Dai, although I look upon NATO as more militarist in design and scope. Blame on both sides for sure, but the hypocrisy of Western leaders sickens me: dirty hands from the Marshall Plan and Truman Doctrine to the present. A sad and unsettling reality.

[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote:
He was a senior officer in the KGB so I suppose he had the power of death over the citizen but no, he wasn't President. It's a big debate. I agree it would have been unlikely that Russians would ever understand that they suffered massive losses against their former allies in 41/42 because Stalin had systematically eliminated experienced leaders in the Red Army.
But would they have ever settled into an arrangement based on the Rule of Law and respect for property rights, which is essentially what NATO and (through clenched teeth) the EU is about? The rise of the oligarchs says not. However EU meddling has been, again to put it mildly, unhelpful.
But NATO is all we have now if the man decides he wants a "Drang Nach Westen" into the Baltic. And believe me, he will, as the minerals start to run out. It is necessary for a Rogue State to have an external enemy to blame and sadly Putin's Russia is a Rogue State.[/p][/quote]Hard to disagree with any of that Dai, although I look upon NATO as more militarist in design and scope. Blame on both sides for sure, but the hypocrisy of Western leaders sickens me: dirty hands from the Marshall Plan and Truman Doctrine to the present. A sad and unsettling reality.The People's Republic of Newp

Dai Rear wrote…

He was a senior officer in the KGB so I suppose he had the power of death over the citizen but no, he wasn't President. It's a big debate. I agree it would have been unlikely that Russians would ever understand that they suffered massive losses against their former allies in 41/42 because Stalin had systematically eliminated experienced leaders in the Red Army. But would they have ever settled into an arrangement based on the Rule of Law and respect for property rights, which is essentially what NATO and (through clenched teeth) the EU is about? The rise of the oligarchs says not. However EU meddling has been, again to put it mildly, unhelpful. But NATO is all we have now if the man decides he wants a "Drang Nach Westen" into the Baltic. And believe me, he will, as the minerals start to run out. It is necessary for a Rogue State to have an external enemy to blame and sadly Putin's Russia is a Rogue State.

Hard to disagree with any of that Dai, although I look upon NATO as more militarist in design and scope. Blame on both sides for sure, but the hypocrisy of Western leaders sickens me: dirty hands from the Marshall Plan and Truman Doctrine to the present. A sad and unsettling reality.

Score: 1

JanJenkins says...10:35pm Sat 29 Mar 14

My Son has a business on Bulmore Rd. The road is going to be closed for 10 days. How is he and others supposed to go to work or their customers going to get to them. or the People that live there. Police and 1000's of protesters, We've just had months of flooding along this road. That lost enough trading days for us . Nobody gives a dam about those living and working around the area .There was enough problems with the International golf competition so called security. . Newport didn't see any benefit from that, whatsoever.

My Son has a business on Bulmore Rd. The road is going to be closed for 10 days. How is he and others supposed to go to work or their customers going to get to them. or the People that live there. Police and 1000's of protesters, We've just had months of flooding along this road. That lost enough trading days for us . Nobody gives a dam about those living and working around the area .There was enough problems with the International golf competition so called security. . Newport didn't see any benefit from that, whatsoever.JanJenkins

My Son has a business on Bulmore Rd. The road is going to be closed for 10 days. How is he and others supposed to go to work or their customers going to get to them. or the People that live there. Police and 1000's of protesters, We've just had months of flooding along this road. That lost enough trading days for us . Nobody gives a dam about those living and working around the area .There was enough problems with the International golf competition so called security. . Newport didn't see any benefit from that, whatsoever.

Score: 1

Mervyn James says...10:58am Sun 30 Mar 14

Send the Bill to Newport council. They must be getting compensation themselves.

Send the Bill to Newport council. They must be getting compensation themselves.Mervyn James

Send the Bill to Newport council. They must be getting compensation themselves.

Score: 0

merlin the silure says...11:14am Sun 30 Mar 14

Yep 20k soap dodgers,tree huggers along with the usual bunch of anarchists all taking part.

Yep 20k soap dodgers,tree huggers along with the usual bunch of anarchists all taking part.merlin the silure

Yep 20k soap dodgers,tree huggers along with the usual bunch of anarchists all taking part.

Score: -4

Good Job No Kids says...3:00pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Anyone no where they'll be protesting? I'd like to site a number of catering vans in the vicinity.

Anyone no where they'll be protesting?
I'd like to site a number of catering vans in the vicinity.Good Job No Kids

Anyone no where they'll be protesting? I'd like to site a number of catering vans in the vicinity.

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