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I was listening to some guy from New Zealand on the radio and he said something I found interesting. He claime the fundamental difference between between Fascists and Commies is Nationalism vs Internationalism.

I thought about this forum and all the internationalists who think that nationalism is Fascism. It is as if the people here believes everyone is a Socialist.

The extemt to which internationalism has been embraced just goes to show how strongly communism has influenced the west.

Originally posted by @eladarI was listening to some guy from New Zealand on the radio and he said something I found interesting. He claime the fundamental difference between between Fascists and Commies is Nationalism vs Internationalism.

I thought about this forum and all the internationalists who think that nationalism is Fascism. It is as if the people here believes everyone is ...[text shortened]... rnationalism has been embraced just goes to show how strongly communism has influenced the west.

Eladar seems ignorant of the historical existence of the Comintern.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_International

"The Communist International, abbreviated as Comintern and also known as the Third International (1919–1943),
was an international communist organization that advocated world communism."

Has Eladar ever heard 'the Internationale' sung in any language?
I have sung it in more than one language (including the original French).

Originally posted by @eladarIs point concerned the antifa thugs. He pointed out that the thugs who were fighting against the Naxis simply joined the brown shirts.

The leftist thugs we see today are simply a continuation of the communist thugs back then.

Thug is thug, communist vs fsacist the only difference is internationalis vs nationalist.

No. No it is not.

The very bases of communism is that the person who produces something has control over that production and an equal say in its distribution.

Fascism has a centralized power which dictates production and distribution on every level.

Fascism has an inward view of the world, anything foreign is a threat to the status quo of the authorities.
Communism is per definition internationalist. It can’t even function on a solely national level (maybe on an island).

As for antifa...
Just because people call them selves anti-fascist, doesn’t make them left-wing or communist.
I put to you that 90% of the antifa members wouldn’t know dialectic materialism if it was written on a pamphlet, shoved up their bums and lit on fire.
Not, by the way, that I can see any reason for doing that, it just fit well with the prose.

The very bases of communism is that the person who produces something has control over that production and an equal say in its distribution.

Fascism has a centralized power which dictates production and distribution on every level.

Fascism has an inward view of the world, anything foreign is a threat to the status quo of the aut ...[text shortened]... re.
Not, by the way, that I can see any reason for doing that, it just fit well with the prose.

If you ask me, both centralized systems are war machines, so in that way, they are both very much an internationalist movements.

The very bases of communism is that the person who produces something has control over that production and an equal say in its distribution.

Fascism has a centralized power which dictates production and distribution on every level.

Fascism has an inward view of the world, anything foreign is a threat to the status quo of the aut ...[text shortened]... re.
Not, by the way, that I can see any reason for doing that, it just fit well with the prose.

So has there been an example of a society run by communism in the modern world?

Originally posted by @eladarI was listening to some guy from New Zealand on the radio and he said something I found interesting. He claime the fundamental difference between between Fascists and Commies is Nationalism vs Internationalism.

I thought about this forum and all the internationalists who think that nationalism is Fascism. It is as if the people here believes everyone is ...[text shortened]... rnationalism has been embraced just goes to show how strongly communism has influenced the west.

The difference between term A - which you have no clear definition of - and term B - which is a mystery to you - appears to be something confused that you possibly didn't hear properly. But all these words turn up somewhere and maybe sound familiar, though you can't quite place why. Which might go to show and then again maybe not.

During the Spanish Civil War, Franco received major support (regular troops) from
Italy, Germany, and Portugal in addition to diplomatic support from the Vatican.
The Catholic Church supported Franco, and so thousands of foreign volunteers
(Catholic or right-wing) went to fight for Franco.

A right-wing German Jew (who worked for the Abwehr) was sent to Spain to help Franco.
He volunteered to fight in the Spanish Foreign Legion and was decorated for bravery.
He asked Franco to reward him with Spanish citizenship (so he need not return to Germany).
When Germany went to war in 1939, he volunteered to fight for Germany but was rejected.
After Germany invaded the USSR, Spain formed the Azul division of volunteers to support the Axis.
He joined that division and was killed in action, fighting alongside Germans against the USSR.
Sadly, his heroics on behalf of the Axis failed to benefit his Jewish family still in Germany.

During the Spanish Civil War, Franco received major support (regular troops) from
Italy, Germany, and Portugal in addition to diplomatic support from the Vatican.
The Catholic Church supported Franco, and so thousands of fore ...[text shortened]...
Sadly, his heroics on behalf of the Axis failed to benefit his Jewish family still in Germany.

You must believe people to be morons to believe you must point out that both the Nazis and the Russians aided opposing sides in the Spanish Civil War.

Originally posted by @eladarYou must believe people to be morons to believe you must point out that both
the Nazis and the Russians aided opposing sides in the Spanish Civil War.

Eladar's latest rant is irrelevant to what I wrote.
Eladar asked this question, and I answered it.

"Was Franco's Spain an international war machine?"
--Eladar

Franco seized power in Spain due to his support by an 'international war machine'.
Without support from Italy, Germany, Portugal, etc, he would have failed to take power.
Franco's victory was *not* on account of a very popular revolution in Spain, though
Franco did have the support of many Spaniards, including the Catholic Church.

In the Second World War, Franco sent an elite division to fight with the Axis in the USSR.
After the Second World War, Franco focused on ruling Spain rather than attempting
to spread Fascism abroad, which obviously had become extremely unrealistic.