Pat Robertson 700 Club Blames Haiti People for Earthquake

I normally stay away from the religion threads and subjects of controversy, but Pat Robertson's claim that the Earthquake is punishment from God on the Haiti people because they made a 'Pact with the Devil" is insane!!!!!!!http://www.nowpublic.com/world/pat-robe … 56010.htmlIf anything, this could be an example of Christian Outreach to the people of Haiti. To help others when a Natural Disaster occurs.

Yes it could, but Pat Robertson assumes Haitians can't donate money to his church so they must be eaten up with evil. He is disgraceful, and I'm sure that he's just trying to cover up his own pact with the devil.

Anyone preaching religion on TV is not worth the time it takes to change the channel.

I have been studying Noah. Noah was born during the tenth generation from Adam. This was the time when the flood came, and took the breath of every living creature, it was the tenth generation. 10 also means divine order, ten plagues on the Egyptains and ten commandments divine order. It was in the tenth year when Abramham had left Ur that Shara gave him Hagar. I have been studying this since December the 26, at that time I place a youtube video (Thecrowngem) a warning that God would send his wrath, that the saints of God must pray. Haiti has alot of crime going on there with leadership, Haiti is known around the world for over 85% of the people practice witchcraft Voodoo and an African friend told me there another witchcraft religion that they practice as well. However, I would not single out Haitis because there have been some other earthquakes all around the earth at the same time Haitis, I am putting the information up today, I would say Jesus is on His way start looking up.

Some people have made comments here on this forum that are just as disgusting as Pat Robertsons' comments. For anyone interested in the truth; instead of twisting Gods word to fit what is really in your dark evil heart, here is a fact. Haiti is on a fault line in the earth that has been there since the earth cooled. Earthquakes, Floods, Huricanes have nothing to do with the people that live or ever lived on this Planet. Pat Robinson is an Evil Liar and has always been one. I see a few people here on this forum are the same.

End times, this is what the book said would happen to anyone who are not with him. Everyone knows that Haiti is a voodoo practicing nation of people,What did God do to EVERYBODY else in the bible that DID NOT , obey him ,

Well expect no less today, I don't mean to sound cruel, even if we say nothing , God is sill going to do what he want. This want be the last place to be destroyed, this is just the beginning, OF SORROW. It is all down hill from here, don't expect it to get better. ACCORDING TO THE SAME BOOK that you don't want to admit is right. You can not stop what God said He is going to do in the bible. Even if John did this stuff over 2000 years ago.

IT IS STILL HAPPENING..........bet you can't make it stop. IF YOU AND NOBODY ELSE CAN DO NOTHING ABOUT IT . THAT'S GOD.

he did not blame the people for the earthquake,he ststed a fact that there leaders made a pack with satan to get rid of the french leadership,but has anyone wondered why haiti was so poor and the other side of the island the dominican rep.was so prosperes?

I don't agree with Davidsonofjesie and I'm not Christian however religion does not make killers, liars, thieves and so on. People make themselves these abominations. People invent things to blame for their own evils.

IT IS A WELL KNOWN FACT that this is a voodoo worshiping people , for MANY years before Christianity was introduced to it and it is still the main religion, how many churches have you seen or ministers from there asking for money, in fact HAVE YOU SEEN A CROSS ON ANYBODY'S NECK, they don't have churches like we do. I have seem reports on T.V. where news crews went over there to DOCUMENT WITCH DOCTORS going to the grave yards and raising up people from the dead, and they talk to the relatives. show you the graves then find the person in the next town over (not in the same condition) but up and walking around. This is what he is talking about. You should pay attention to the people you are speaking about before you bash old pat. I am not really a fan of his but I do know that Haiti just may not be on Gods good side,who knowsthen again anyone can repent, HAVE THEY. I am not God I can't say.

I'm out of the loop? God has a last name now? His last name is Robertson? Only God almighty sits in judgment over man not Roberton. Judge not lest ye be judged!!!! A true man of God practices this verse.

Pat Robertson is not a Christian, a man of God or a passible human being. We are seeing stories of the people of Haiti giving God the glory for their survival.

Jesus in his travels, would mingle with what the people in the era called "sinners" and was chastised by his disciples for doing so. Jesus replied: those that are saved don't need my help, I need to be with the unsaved.

This is the manner of a true Christian, if this knuckle dragging neanderthal felt that this entire island was destroyed because of some mythical pact with the Devil, then his behind and organization should be in the middle of the destruction extending a helping hand. Not wrapped up in his cozy office passing inane judgment on the situation.

What a moron, he needs to be removed from the airways. His last judgment was against those in the Katrina disaster. It seems wherever there are two or more people gathered of African decent this fool says their destruction was an act of God. Robertson is an ignorant wretch!

You have a good point but would you not agree that Gods Judgement is upon us, our terrible economy is a prelude to the real storm that is brewing. 95% of Haitians practice Voodoo along side there catholic or Christian worship. That is playing with fire, we are accountable to God and His patience is far greater than our minds can even comprehend. Look to Job, he was rightous in Gods eyes and the devil was still given the authority to almost wipe him out. I pray for Haiti but there is a cause and effect scenario being played out here.

How are you, or any one of us, *anywhere* any better than people who practice voodoo, or any other mystical, ceremonial religion or cult?

I think it was Jesus who said let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Pointing out another's "sins" makes you better than them how???

I don't see it. According to Christianity, we are all beggars of Christ's mercy and atonement. If that's the case, why is there a need to point fingers of who's "badder" than us.

It's stupidity driven. We somehow erroneously perceive that we will somehow be spared all the devastation in the end, but in reality, no one escapes devastation of some kind in this life.

Therefore, the need for compassion.

And I might add, this type of thinking is the very root and reason why I have no respect, no tolerance for religion. I studied this stuff for almost 5 decades, and finally learned what a complete and absolute lie is perpetuated because of this incredible and dispicable intolerance for anyone else who isn't "branded" by their religion as being "good." Bullsh** I say.

Any one who produces fear and hatred is not of God. It says so in the Bible. So most conservative Christian commentators, and so many political commentators who spread fear and hate are in bed with the devil, based on their own Biblical facts and readings. And yet they deny it. How stupid can one be?

Spreading fear that such acts as earthquakes, tsunamis and hurricanes is a punishment from God is demonic at best.

And I'm not a religious person. However, it's best to fight fire with fire, and I'm contesting what they're saying with their own sources.

Words of clarity, Rebekah! And might I add, sheep led by a Wolf in Sheep's Clothing. That is, any of the Cristian religion who gives value to such words. Had much of Western "civilization" not been pillaging such small countries as Haiti for hundreds of years, Pat and people like him wouldn't be enjoying most of their many material luxuries.

Haiti will rise in history as a sign of strength of Spirit; with or without outside intentions, be they religious or not. Haiti will be seen as the exceptionally strong and Robertson will be seen as the exceptionally weak and fearful. It's now a lesson, a message to those who attach themselves to Christianity: We are all as One.

On the plus side, at least our aid isn't as laughable as France's, given that it was France's demand of 90 million gold francs (more than $27 billion in today's dollars) in "reparation" for property (i.e. slaves) lost during the revolution that started Haiti on its path to disaster in the first place. It took Haiti more than 100 years to pay off the "debt" and in the process they had to close all their public schools, deforest their island, and more. Two aid planes, wow, that will make up for it, Sarkozy.

It certainly has. What makes me sick is a slime dweller like Robertson trying to act like it's all their fault, when there are really very few cases in the world of more obvious victimization of a small, weak nation by several bigger and more powerful ones.

Pat is a sad man but sadder still are all of those who follow his words with such wonder. However the absolute worst is all of the media that continue to give him air space, maybe this display of ignorance will finally wake some of them up. My sincerest prayers for such a human.

Who are we to judge? All of us need to just get along. Just like others in the media and on TV, he to is also entitled to his thoughts. I disagree with what he said, but it isn't any worse then some of the other things I have seen or heard on television.

I have been watching Pat Robinson for years, it is not judging, read Genesis chapter 5-9, then read the history of Haitis, Haitis people some not all, but most are into Voodoo. Their govenment is very corrupt. This is the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere, I do not know if God is punishing them, but I would pay attention to what Pat Robinson says, this man knows his Bible.

In the Bible, after the Flood, a rainbow was set in the heavens as a promise God would no longer destroy the earth because of man. These are natural disasters..not God.

Gen. 8:"21 And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done."

Like I said Above:Does one sin rank higher than another sin?James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all"

Matt. 5: 21-22 "Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment:

Sins of the Father??Deut. 24:16-"The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin"

2 Kings 14:1-6 says -"The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, nor the children be put to death for the fathers; but every man shall be put to death for his own sin"

Now we must not get confused between people who call themselves Christian, and people who belong to Christ.

Christians DO NOT practise voodoo.

The 80% Roman Catholics were probably born into the 'faith'.The 16% Protestants were probably mainly converts.

I would guess that the main practitioners of voodoo were ostensibly RCC 'believers' because we Prot's tend to notice voodoo activity and stop it or throw them out if they want to continue doing demonic satanic worship.

Either way, if voodoo is being practised in substantial numbers, then the nation (any nation) is at risk.

1. Exorcism is a Roman Catholic practice, ritual based, voodoo seemingly springs from Roman Catholicism, and it's relevant to note that the RC Cathederal was burnt. That is not a condemnation of RCC believers either. But many folk are involved in 'cradle' belief, they have never examined what they believe fully, and are therefore sitting in churches made by man.

2. Jesus cast out, or evicted, demons that affected people before He healed them etc, but not in some ceremony where the participant lost control to a spirit of unknown variety. Christ's followers do NOT do trances, get inhabited by strange spirits that take over their body, nor cast curses on folk.

Yes I know you have seen those sort of things on the God channel, yes they were not in line with the words of Christ.

You work it out!

3. What people confuse with Christianity (the belief of the Lord Jesus Christ and the decision to follow Him and lead others to His fullness)is actually Churchianity, and is a man made religion hung on historical facts, and I do not disagree with anybody here about that situation.

4. I am not saying the PEOPLE brought this disaster on themselves, I am saying that the leaders of those people, by their turning from God and observing corrupt practises, gave authority to Satan to bring the country down. It may be that a 'natural' occurrence caused a massive earthquake to happen where it did.

But 'natural' occurrences still ONLY happen because God has condoned it occurring.

I am not saying this makes the innocent guilty, nor that I understand the reasons why God allowed this to happen, nor that I, in my human logic can think that this would be reasonable.

But even the insurance companies ALL have a clause exempting them from 'ACTS OF GOD'.

Have you never heard of generational curses?

The bible is full of them in the old testament, and they affect nations as well as individuals, and no matter how unreasonable we may think these things are, they are there, and they are valid, and they affect all humanity, not just believers, indeed, they often affect non believers more than those who do believe.

So I understand why for the secular world it may suit their thought processes to say 'Bad things just happen' and indeed they do, as stated in the bible when the 18 were killed by a roof fall, and someone asked Jesus, what was their sin, and Jesus said (more or less) just that: Bad things happen.

But those bad things are NOT just random natural occurrences that God has no control over, that statement denies God the ability to control the world.

I allow that God controls the world, and that I do not fully understand all of the things that happen, God does not make people privee to what He is doing unless they are part of it in some way, and even then they never know more than just their part. Maybe God saw this being brewed up and diverted it's epicentre a couple of thousand miles away from Florida.

Maybe it WAS brewed up... ever heard of Nikola Tesla?

The Russians and the US have been experimenting with this for years.

I am just as horrified about this as anyone else, our body have children we sponsor in Haiti, we have friends who work there, fortunately the friends are OK, we have yet to hear about the children.

Here is what our friends said...

"We are writing this e mail to the many who have written and asked how we are in light of yesterday’s earthquake in Haiti . Short answer – Yes, Bastia and I are both safe and unharmed due to nothing short of a miracle of God.. Bastia and I were both in Port au Prince when the earthquake took place. Bastia dropped me off at a grocery store to do some shopping while he and our friend TiJean went across the street to get their hair cut. Within 10 minutes of being in the grocery store, I felt the floor start to tremble. I remember thinking, “This feels like an earthquake, but Haiti doesn’t have earthquakes”. As I looked up, the ceiling tiles were trembling. Underneath me, the trembling increased where I could not stand, so I knelt down on the floor, covered my head, and prayed.The trembling increased and the lights went out. It was pitch black everywhere. I heard people screaming and the sound of people trying to run to get out of the building as ceiling tiles fell and things fell off the shelves. All around me, I was aware that things were falling, but nothing touched me. The tremors stopped, and the first thing I tried to do was try to call Bastia from my cell phone. No answer, just a recorded message in Creole.Same thing, the second attempt. I was aware that there was a woman behind me. “Are you OK?” I asked. “Yes”. I said, “Don’t be afraid, Jesus is with us.” I told her to follow me, and with the light of my cell phone, we carefully and slowly began crossing the debris to exit the building.As I exited, I looked everywhere for Bastia.And then, right there in front of me, there he was along with TiJean. I cannot explain the relief and joy to see his face. Bastia had a more harrowing experience. It was a huge cement building and he and TiJean were sitting in the barber chairs when the tremors began. TiJean fell on the way out, but got out before the building collapsed. Bastia was not able to get out and a huge slab of cement fell down right above him and stopped right above his head. I personally believe Gods’ angels were holding up the cement to not crush him. He saw no way to get out, but then found a hole to crawl through and escaped. This morning, when we drove by the same barber shop, it had totally collapsed, and Bastia would have died if that had happened while he was in the building. Once out, he and TiJean came immediately to find me. We are praising God continuously for His protection and deliverance."

They could send this out because they have a satellite connection back at their location... here is an update....

"As we write this, people in PAP are trying to return to their provinces. This morning, we rented a large bus which went from Hinche to PAP to pick up people that are originally from the Hinche area and would like to return but have no way of getting there.

There is a public station for Hinche in PAP where many are waiting to come to the Hinche area but have no money or means to get back to Hinche. We are also checking on how we can send a truckload of water from Hinche to PAP for the surviving victims.

How to Help

Continued prayer for all those affected is first and foremost. All of Haiti is impacted in some way. Food staple prices have already begun to escalate and it is anticipated that the cost of food, gas, and other supplies will skyrocket as well as being scarce. As Christians, we praise the Lord that we are saved through the blood of Jesus Christ and have an eternal hope.

We need not be afraid of death for He has overcome its sting.

Statistics indicate that about 90% of Haitians are involved in voodoo in some way. Voodoo was legalized as the official national religion by ex-president Aristide. We pray that the Lord will use this present disaster as a way for people to see God’s power so they may know that He alone is worthy of praise.

We pray that many will come to know Jesus Christ and accept Him as their personal Lord and Savior. Sunday afternoon, we will be giving an update to the local community of Caneille where we reside along with a strong Gospel message. The theme that will be shared by Bastia is: “Jesus Christ, the Savior of the World” with an emphasis on now being the time to make a decision for Jesus Christ. Caneille felt some gentle tremors, but no damage or injuries. Many are not aware of the severity or severe consequences of the earthquake."

So please don't shoot the messenger, just think about the why's and wherefores of this event.

John

PS in case you think our friends are those rich missionaries, take a look at their church....

I beg to differ with you sir... u have been mislead. and your statement, is not True, not in the biblical sense. For that island has zero, i repeat sir, zero Christians. For they have chosen not to obey the Gospel of Christ, and those that choose not to obey the gospel of Christ, Hath Not God.. According to His Word. My comment was in response to KerryG 96% figure...

yes, he is "entitiled to his thoughts", but he is a public figure, and his little minions who can't think for themselves think that everything he says is gospel. i can just hear them over their morning coffee and muffins "well, you know, Blanche, Pat said those Haitians had it coming, being cursed and all"..."Oh, I know, Beatrice. shouldn't make pacts with the Devil *tsk*"...

by the way, how does he know that the Hatians "made a pact with the devil" anyway, huh? even if they did, what is he saying with his comment? that they are "cursed"? cursed by who? and what does that "curse" have to do with what happened to them? let's not forget, there were Americans over there who were working or living or volunteering over there who suffered as well - why were they injured?

Haiti gained its independence in the 1800s when the people revolted, right? which made it an independent Black country. maybe they won their freedom because they fought hard for it, not because they "made a pact with the Devil"

as i recall, he also alluded that 9/11 was cursed onto this country because of those "immoral gays and lesbians". and i also seem to remember him saying something similar about the victims of Hurricane Katrina. i don't have time to research it, but if you're going to defend this idiot, i'll find out exactly what he said.

"don't judge?"

you know, i hear people say this a lot, especially when televangelists get busted doing all kinds of scandalous stuff, like that one dude who spoke out against homosexuals from his pulpit while secretly engaging in homosexual acts. why would God give Man the ability to judge and not expect him to use it? some things we have to judge and denouce. and this is one of them

I agree that he could have addressed it a little different. But actually he did not say what you think you heard. And he is close to correct about the fact that the slaves that had setteled Haiti did make a agreement with the devil of sorts. You have to remember that Africa is were the slaves came from mostly.They came to Haiti as a result of wickedness of course. The problems Mr Robertson spoke of have to due with long term generational sins of the Parents. The greatgrand parents of the people living today. And he is correct that the direct actions of you great grandparents will indeed affect you and your country. New Orleans is little different. These are judgements that are the result of sin. Some sin brings direct judgement, example: you slap a 5 year old child in the face in the middle of a PTA meeting. You will get a direct judgement from the people there and also get arrested. Gods judgement is slower sometimes. Is America under God Judgement at this time? All indication would be how could it not be. America has become a whore in the sight of God. Sad to say. This once great nation that was a light shining into a dark world. Has become a nation filled with rebellious kids, woman who murder there children before and after birth. Leaders who are nothing more then deserters of anything good and noble. And schools that do not educate the children but teach trash and call it fact. The science community as well as the bankers are bought and sold to the highest bidder. The nation can't understand the difference between good and pure evil as a whole. Most just want a hand out and not a hand up. Living on a stold dollar that the next generation does not even know was stold yet. So America has become the busted, the broke and the destitute. And you all want to point at Pat Robertson and say he did wrong. Maybe you should go stand in front of a mirrow and take a hard look. Mr. Robertson is correct. Sad but true. And only a coward attacks a peron who is not there to address them. At Least Robertson is not a coward, and he is speaking the truth. The sins of a people and a nation will come home one day.

I agree with you my brother, I do not think that Pat Robinson is bringing forth Judgement, I believe he is trying to make sense of what has happen to these people accordingly to the Word of God and he is just bold enought to say what he feels how God is leading. Soon he will be with the Lord, he has more days behind him then in front, therefore he is going to be more sincere in how he looks at things according to the Bible. However what ever they have done we must help them.

If you believe in God and Christ and I'm sure you "SAY" you do. He stated he did not come to condemn the world..but to save it.John 3:17It is also stated in Luke 15:4 "What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it"

I wrote religious music for 30 years. It's still performed by lots of choirs around the globe. I've set these passages to music. They are a reminder of what is good, that before we cast the first stone, we best assess whether or not we are without sin or malace ourselves. Perhaps Mr. Robertson has cast his stones prematurely far too many times.

Yes of course..However if Pat Robertson steps into the street tomorrow and a Semi Truck runs over him; crushing him so far down into the pavement that it will take two sheets of Bounty paper towels to clean him up..It will be God calling him home..Right?

This once great nation that you speak of[America] committed genocide on the Native People, and enslaved and ruthlessly abused Africans, even after they were, suppossedly, freed.

If Haiti is getting all of this devastation because of their past corruption and Voodoo, what should befall America for the genocide of the Native People, and the enslaving and lynching of African Americans? You are ridiculous!

Pat Robertson is a complete MAD MAN!!! It would be nice if he went the way of Jerry Falwell and Oral Roberts.

******************************************************People settled in America to make a new life. Though the Indians say they feel the Earth is part of and belongs to the Great Spirit (God) not to man, they didn't like the Europeans moving here. Many of the settlers were killed too. There are still many Native Americans. Which are American Indians as well as the Eskimos and Aleuts of Alaska and Hawaiians.

Though the Indians fought to keep us from staying, America of today allows anyone to move here and doesn't fight to keep them away. The President and Congress have just stated any Haitian illegally in America right now is granted immunity due to the disaster. That's pretty generous to me.

The Americans today did not kill the Indians so let it go.I also have never had a slave and you have never been enslaved. I believe all men should be free. A white man; Abe Lincoln fought for the slave's freedom.

AS far as Africans go It was the Spanish and the Africans themselves that sold the slaves Most slaves were black and were held by whites, although some Native Americans and free blacks also held slaves; there was a small number of white slaves as well.America was not the only country that owned slaves, yet it is constantly thrown in our faces as though we were the only ones.

Though I don't agree with Pat Robertson, I think it is pretty evil of you to say he should die. That's a really nasty statement.

According to the internet "Twelve million Africans were shipped to the Americas from the 16th to the 19th centuries. Of these, an estimated 645,000 were brought to what is now the United States. The largest number were shipped to Brazil" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in … ted_States

You're missing some very important and obvious context, there. Getitrite was responding to the accusation that the Hatians deserve this disaster because of the evils of their ancestors, pointing out that if evils are inherited generation to generation then the Americans have inherited as more or more than the Hatians.

The real point of the post was that it's stupid to say people deserve something so terrible as retribution for things that happened before their time.

It's quite foolish to respond by saying that current day Americans shouldn't be blamed for the evils of America hundreds of years ago.

*********************************I have established in the posts before my last that Haiti was not being punished. I have stated it over and over.Since getitrite made statements about us..I felt the desire to respond to it. Which is my right. Don't call me foolish. Read my other posts. You are the one who seems foolish. I did not miss any points., however you did.

Not attempting to stir this one up, if Robinson said what has been attributed, he was wrong however you look at it.

I have no actually heard what he said, and it is possible that he was also misquoted or misconstrued. I have no idea.

Has any poster her actually heard what he said?

Now to generational curses.

They do exist, and they would apply equally to America, and looking at the American situation, it does seem to have a few problems that could be interpreted by someone as having a relationship to the decline in observing Gods laws and the increase in secular humanism in government and society.

The difference is that America can better handle it's 'natural' disasters.

If you look through history, countries that have honoured God seem to prosper more than those who are secular, and there is a correlation.

Mr Robertson has a history of making outrageous statements without referencing his sources. I wish he would either cite his source or shut up. The way it is, his comment (true or not true) has helped neither Haiti nor the Church.

Remember when he ran for president in 1988? At the time he tried to win votes by claiming to be a "combat marine." Unfortunately for him, there were marines who remembered him and what he actually did during the Korean War. His father was a senator who apparently pulled strings so that Pat had a job out of harm's way, which was to keep the local officers clubs supplied with booze. I wrote a little limerick at the time in celebration of Pat's claim. Here it is for laughs....

Pat says he's a "combat marine"Truth is he couldn't be seenIn hole fighting gooksBut improving his looksIn a job where his TUSH would be clean

The Statements made by Pat Robertson that the Country was so evil God is destroying it..is incorrect according to the Bible you believe in. If it was true we would all be dead by now. It also says we do not suffer from each others sins.

OK let's do some Bible reading.

Does one sin rank higher than another sin?James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all"

Matt. 5: 21-22 "Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment:

Sins of the Father??Deut. 24:16-"The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin"

2 Kings 14:1-6 says -"The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, nor the children be put to death for the fathers; but every man shall be put to death for his own sin"

Read Genesis 5-9, Read Matthew 24 this is the signs of God's return, do some research on all the earthquakes that happen just in the last couple of weeks of this New Year. You will be surprise how many there have been, it is just that Haitis was the worse, and because their government is so corrupt they are in need of the world again. Last time Amercia sent them help the government stole it from the people remember the Hurricans that hit them real hard in 2008 and again our country came to their aid and help. I thank God is saying something.

Hold the phone:You mean to tell me that you feel that Haiti is filled with demon-devil-practicing people and that their government is completely corrupt--right??

But what makes you possibly think that the US or ANY other country is not as corrupt as Haiti??? HELLOOOOO!!!! That's an ILLUSION that other countries are corrupt and the US is not!! And how many supposed "devil-worshippers" and "witches" and voodoo-ists do you suppose are in the US? Or ANY other country, for that matter??

As Deborah very eloquently pointed out, the entire earth and all its inhabitants SHOULD have been destroyed long ago based on what we deserve. We are ALL GUILTY, according to Pat Robertson's own terms of description. And he is apparently one of the WORST offenders, having absolutely no esteem, no love, no tolerance for anyone else but himself, whom he erroneously perceives as being "acceptable" to God. How sick and twisted is that?

NO ONE is exempt here. We are all imperfect, we all make mistakes. There is no one is ISN'T deserving of such catastrophes if you want to base your ideologies on a hateful, vengeful God. But I for one believe that these assumptions are based on arrogance and stupidity and have nothing to do with enobling and freeing the human spirit.

Love does that. Loves does not condemn. Remember Paul's writings about love?

If you don't love, then you are not of God. If you have time to condemn your brother or sister, you have too much time to worry about your own insecurities instead of doing something good for the world.

Pat Robertson is a devil incarnate, as far as I'm concerned. Trouble is, there are clones of him everywhere. And yet the answer is not vengence, the answer is to bring focus where it needs to be: on love and compassion. Otherwise we perpetuate more of the same lunacy we see everywhere at this point.

If someone or something which doesn't agree with Pat Robinson dies, it is God's judgment against them..However if Pat Robertson steps into the street tomorrow and a Semi Truck crushes him so deep into the pavement that it will take two sheets of Bounty paper towels to clean him up..It will be God calling him home..Right?

You know, I'm not even really religious. I grew up in a very religious family, and I understand all this religious talk pretty well. I studied it for years. But as you can surmise, the lunacy of such self-righteous arrogance turned me light years away from religion. I do believe there is something greater than us in the universe and I have no idea what it is. But I think that's a personal thing, and a very personal journey. It just makes no sense to me to pass judgment on a whole society of people as "evil" and in need of "cleaning."

Truth is, the earthquake could have happened to any of us. And, in fact, may yet happen to many of us. We just don't know. So when the next one hits, as it did China, are we going to pass judgment and condemn those people as well? What incredible stupidity. What inhumane arrogance.

However, karma has a great way of handling these things. I've seen it over and over.

I agree.and you know, some people say USA will be hit by a great catastrophe in the West Coast area, some time or other. do we have to think that's God punishment as well ?and what about what happened to New Orleans then !

The State where I live in the US is experiencing a lot of sink holes which can swallow up homes. Our State seems mild compared to others as far as being wild and unruly. It's a natural disaster occurring here, God is not punishing us.

Nor has he punished the Chinese when they experienced that horrible earthquake, nor the people of New Orleans during Katrina, nor the tsunami of 2004. So many good people lost their lives and so many lives were left shattered because of the losses.

But there should be hope for all of us. Those of us who survive should be the answer. It's in a song I wrote last year:

Be the One,Be the Answer,Become the healing and the love.Be the forgiver and the good.

Be the One,Be the Answer,Become the hope when there is none,Be that for you, for everyone.

As far as Pat Robertson's statement about gay people..A gay person is not gay by choice. They can not help who they are attracted to and love anymore then straight people can. Some of the things you read in the Bible have been inserted to take control of people's thinking and to steer things the way they want it.There is also a lot of mistransliteration.In the Old Testament it says "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live"The word chasaph--which is Hebrew for poisoner was changed to witch. These were people who knew a lot about herbs, poisoners who made and sold poisons to people.

It's apparent Mr. Roberson doesn't know Jesus. To all Christians who are reading this post. Nobody knows, why God allowed this tragedy to occur. But what I do know; this is an opportunity for Christians to show Jesus versus just talking about him. Mr. Roberson possesses the pharisee spirit. I'll pray for him. There are too many tele-vangelist who embrace the mental position; look how God is using me. This isn't Christlike. The biblically inspired mindset should be, look what God has allowed me to be apart of. Let's all within and beyond our means, Lend A Helping Hand. Be blessed Hubber Family.

I realize that liberal arts schools don't tend to emphasize the study of plate tectonics, but c'mon. This dude is from California. Can you really grow up in San Francisco without learning what makes the ground go all shaky?

Danny may have been trying to promote his global warming cause when he said the Haitian Earthquake was caused by Global Warming...but, he may be right. Heat makes things exspand, cold makes things constrict. Maybe the sudden temprature changes we experience due to Global Warming caused the earthquakes in China and Haiti. Or made them worse than they would have been because of the sudden changes the earth had to go through...just maybe.

In particular, note that El Nino is associated with a rise in the frequency of underwater earthquakes in the Pacific. We are currently experiencing El Nino, and after this disaster in Haiti, you have to wonder if it might be affecting plate tectonics under the Atlantic as well.

This isn't the first time Pat Robertson has said something totally outrageous.

There's no kind way to put this: The man is certifiable and because he has so many people hanging on his every word, he's dangerous.

Regardless of religious or spiritual beliefs, everyone should be able to see that he's simply not in his right mind.

A few of his undeniably delusional statements:

"There is no such thing as separation of church and state in the Constitution. It is a lie of the Left and we are not going to take it anymore."

-- Pat Robertson, address to his American Center for Law and Justice, November, 1993

"Individual Christians are the only ones really -- and Jewish people, those who trust God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob -- are the only ones that are qualified to have the reign, because hopefully, they will be governed by God and submit to Him."

-- Pat Robertson, The 700 Club television program, January 11, 1985, defending his stance that only Christians and Jews are fit to hold public office

"I never said that in my life ... I never said only Christians and Jews. I never said that."

-- Pat Robertson, Time magazine, after having been confronted regarding his statement on The 700 Club of January 11, 1985

"The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians."

I'm sure he said SOMETHING, but what I would like to know is WHAT he said, not what he may have been reported to say...

Sometimes the media are trying to catch a soundbite to sell their product and discredit those who they disagree with.

I have even seen folk here on the forums using just bits of someone's post to attempt to make them say what they have not said, to discredit them.

I was wondering if ANYBODY had heard what was said before they crucified the man.

I don't even know who he is, so I have no axe to grind, and I'm sure he's just another TV preacher hireling, so I'm not supporting him, I'm simply asking....

What DID he say?

I mean did some reporter ask him "Do you see the hand of God at work here?", which would have produced an affirmative response, because any believer knows that God is in everything, but which would produce a headline saying:

'ROBINSON DECLARES HAITI WAS GODS JUDGEMENT'

See what I mean Earnest, folk can be tricky, asking trick questions, trying to deceive...

CBN.com – VIRGINIA BEACH, Va., January 13, 2010 -- On today’s The 700 Club, during a segment about the devastation, suffering and humanitarian effort that is needed in Haiti, Dr. Robertson also spoke about Haiti’s history. His comments were based on the widely-discussed 1791 slave rebellion led by Boukman Dutty at Bois Caiman, where the slaves allegedly made a famous pact with the devil in exchange for victory over the French. This history, combined with the horrible state of the country, has led countless scholars and religious figures over the centuries to believe the country is cursed. Dr. Robertson never stated that the earthquake was God’s wrath. If you watch the entire video segment, Dr. Robertson’s compassion for the people of Haiti is clear. He called for prayer for them. His humanitarian arm has been working to help thousands of people in Haiti over the last year, and they are currently launching a major relief and recovery effort to help the victims of this disaster. They have sent a shipment of millions of dollars worth of medications that is now in Haiti, and their disaster team leaders are expected to arrive tomorrow and begin operations to ease the suffering.

Mr. Robertson implies in his comments that any disaster that's befallen Haiti is a direct result of a "pact with the devil". As the recent earthquake is one of the biggest disasters to hit Haiiti in reason years, it must be included with the things Mr. Robertson says Haiti has been cursed with "one after another".

No amount of back-pedalling from a CBN spokesperson can change the meaning of the comments.

Biblical fact: EVERYONE on the earth perished during the flood, except EIGHT people. Do you think Noah and his family were reaching down to pull up the people who were scratching, clawing and begging on the sides of the boat?Biblical Fact: Sodom, and Gomorrah ( and several nearby cities, that to this day have the highest sulfer content EVER found on this earth)totally destroyed, scans ONE family ( and the wife screwed that up by turning to look)I could name many more instances in the bible...oh, and also CHILDREN were involved....As for "natural disasters"..When God wants to "off" people, he sends Drought, famine, pestilence, disease, flood, earthquakes, and plaque.Ex. AFRICA. and now Haiti.Haiti's main religion is Voodoo and Catholic's, and the Catholic's still practice voodoo. ( Which comes as no surprise, since they have priests forgive them for their sins and bow to them, and call them father...which is wrong on sooo many levels.)I'm sorry, but GOD kills people.What do you think will happen in the end???If only EIGHT people made it during the flood, surely you don't think all these "good Christians" will fare so well either, do you?They dont even understand the book they use to proclaim their beliefs.So, yeah, keep sending these people money....

Somebody just shared this on another site and I thought it was too good not to share. From a Letter to the Editor in the January 15, 2010 Minneapolis Star Tribune:

"Dear Pat Robertson,

I know that you know that all press is good press, so I appreciate the shout-out. And you make God look like a big mean bully who kicks people when they are down, so I'm all over that action. But when you say that Haiti has made a pact with me, it is totally humiliating. I may be evil incarnate, but I'm no welcher. The way you put it, making a deal with me leaves folks desperate and impoverished. Sure, in the afterlife, but when I strike bargains with people, they first get something here on earth -- glamour, beauty, talent, wealth, fame, glory, a golden fiddle. Those Haitians have nothing, and I mean nothing. And that was before the earthquake. Haven't you seen "Crossroads"? Or "Damn Yankees"? If I had a thing going with Haiti, there'd be lots of banks, skyscrapers, SUVs, exclusive night clubs, Botox -- that kind of thing. An 80 percent poverty rate is so not my style. Nothing against it -- I'm just saying: Not how I roll. You're doing great work, Pat, and I don't want to clip your wings -- just, come on, you're making me look bad. And not the good kind of bad. Keep blaming God. That's working. But leave me out of it, please. Or we may need to renegotiate your own contract.

This is not new for Pat Roberson. This man is the king of retarded quotes. His most idiotic was one that he made when he was running for President a while back.

This question involves nuclear weapons. His thoughts on nuclear war, were if I and he quoted "I" were to start a nuclear warthat would be a good thing, because we would a die and go to be with Jesus in heaven.

This man is a senile dickhead, who should not hold any office ofinfluence. He was also one of the first to declare that AIDS was gods revenge on homosexuals. Really? So, God makes childrensuffer because he doesn't like fags? Pat?

This man is like an evil dog that needs to be taken behind the barn a shot. Then him and Jerry Falwell will have a lot to catchup on when they are burning in hell. I can't stand him!

Bad things happen to people who have done nothing to deserve it. So what if the government of Haiti is corrupt? It doesn't mean thousands of impoverished Haitians with no power to do anything about it deserve to be crushed under tons of rubble. You don't like the way they practice their religion? Well fuck you if you think that's why this happened.

There is no moral reason for this. The world just isn't fair. Once you accept that, you can stop blaming the victims of disaster for their misfortune.

The idea that Haitians preformed Satanic masses to drive out whites was spread by American slave owners afraid that the news would encourage their own human property to rise up and revolt against them as well. I mean, it shocks no one that Pat Robertson is on the side of slave owners, but I mean, c'mon.

They use it as propaganda so they don't have to make an effort, they spread all sorts of lies in God's name.. one guy I used to know said that people at his church told him 'someone sat on a used syringe at a nightclub by us and got hiv'

It is my hope that people won't decide all Christians are as ignorant as Pat Robertson. The days of God punishing people on earth were over after Christ came and died for our sins. The only earthly punishment for "bad behavior" comes from natural laws of cause and effect and punishments put in place by people.

Okay. I don't hold a degree in theology... But from my understanding from studying the Bible in church as well as in school, the old testament speaks to JEWS, not GENTILES. Gentiles were not under Jewish law. It was not until after Christ died and rose again that Gentiles (anyone who is not a Jew) were included. Again, I am only speaking from what I have read and interpreted. Biblically, salvation is available to all. More importantly, a person's spiritual life is completely personal. Christians have no business casting judgement in the way Robertson has -- not without a consequence in the end -- that is Biblical, too.

It is sad that so many Christians forget what really matters: love. (again, Biblical)

If folk have accepted Christ as their Lord and Master, they are living in His Grace and Mercy, if not, well I guess the Dark Ages are actually a little advanced for them, because actually they are still under the law from before Christ came.

It is a mistake to confuse the 'bells and flashing lights' of modern technology for advancement in the spiritual realm.

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