Jason did a write up on the possibility of the Jets approaching Holmes like the Eagles did with Vick. The Eagles had better numbers to work with than the Jets do, but there are some similarities that creates leverage for the Jets as the Eagles had with Vick.

It's an obvious target, the Jets need to do their due diligence up and down the roster, and it would be foolish for Holmes to play hardball.

The two situations could not be more different.

The Eagles could have released Vick and not owed him a dime. He had every reason to accept the contract he did with the Eagles.

The Jets owe Holmes guaranteed money. He is coming off a serious injury. He has no reason whatsoever to give up guaranteed money to accept some sort of "promise" in the future.

Just pay him the $11.2 this season and let him walk next year. This season is all about biting the bullet! Bite the bullet on Sanchez, and bite the bullet on Holmes, then 2014 gets us a new QB and a non-cancerous #1 WR. It also gives one of the young bucks a chance to step up to become the #1WR.

Pay him, get it over with, move on... DO NOT RESTRUCTURE!

DO NOT RESTRUCTURE!

Do the Jets play him this year? If the goal is to get ready for 2014, then they might as well cut him now. If he isn't going to help the team in 2014, what is the point in taking away reps from Kerley and Hill?

Idzik should just use his honeymoon year for all it's worth and cut the rest of the bloated contracts after the season. Have no idea why he would want to marry himself to some of these players with awful contracts. Holmes, Harris and Sanchez can all be cut after 2013 for a cap savings of $21.55MM in 2014.

Do the Jets play him this year? If the goal is to get ready for 2014, then they might as well cut him now. If he isn't going to help the team in 2014, what is the point in taking away reps from Kerley and Hill?

Because if he has a good year and proves himself free of the injury he might have some degree of trade value....which at the moment is probably less than zilch.

We also need guys to take the pressure off Hill and any other young WR as they develop.Kerley doesn't need the reps(and do you really want him to have such a monstrous season that he decides he deserves to get paid in 2014?)

Hill needs to be allowed to come along gradually and not have to be 'the guy'

If we made a huge saving by cutting Holmes then fine,but we don't,so might as well make the fkr work for his money...if he'd rather be elsewhere...tough.

Idzik should just use his honeymoon year for all it's worth and cut the rest of the bloated contracts after the season. Have no idea why he would want to marry himself to some of these players with awful contracts. Holmes, Harris and Sanchez can all be cut after 2013 for a cap savings of $21.55MM in 2014.

was wondering this about holmes. what's the cap hit this year and next if they cut him? it's time to get these guys off the team already.

Idzik should just use his honeymoon year for all it's worth and cut the rest of the bloated contracts after the season. Have no idea why he would want to marry himself to some of these players with awful contracts. Holmes, Harris and Sanchez can all be cut after 2013 for a cap savings of $21.55MM in 2014.

was wondering this about holmes. what's the cap hit this year and next if they cut him? it's time to get these guys off the team already.

It makes little sense to cut him this year. Plus, he should be motivated to show he is back from his injury, or he knows he will effectively be done. If he can't play anymore, cut him after this year, and don't take the massive dead money hit.

was wondering this about holmes. what's the cap hit this year and next if they cut him? it's time to get these guys off the team already.

Originally Posted by patman

My take too, totally rebuild.

If we do what I suggested, according to Jason's site there will be a $21.55MM savings with just over $9MM in dead money. That is quite a bit of dead money but these are not contracts that Idzik made. As it stands right now, he has no ties to these players. If he restructures them then they become his contracts. Currently he has a built-in excuse and scapegoat in Tanny.

I would think he would do what Tanny did in 2006-2007. Let the bad contracts expire and go out and get your own FAs.

I just don't see the incentive for Holmes. If he tells the Jets to pound salt to the point the Jets cut him, he will have the open market to try to get on with a team that has a QB that can help him reach numbers this year that would gerner him a bigger contract. He's already being paid by the Jets this year with the guaranteed money. His only source of a long term high dollar contract is to put big numbers up on the field, somerthing he likely will not do here.

The Eagles could have released Vick and not owed him a dime. He had every reason to accept the contract he did with the Eagles.

The Jets owe Holmes guaranteed money. He is coming off a serious injury. He has no reason whatsoever to give up guaranteed money to accept some sort of "promise" in the future.

Yeah, as Patman mentioned, the only chance of a "restructure" is moving the non-guarantee.

From Holmes' perspective, he's getting $7.5M this year from somebody, either the Jets or a combination of the Jets and the offset from a payment from another team. There is no way in hell he's giving up that money.

Because if he has a good year and proves himself free of the injury he might have some degree of trade value....which at the moment is probably less than zilch.

We also need guys to take the pressure off Hill and any other young WR as they develop.Kerley doesn't need the reps(and do you really want him to have such a monstrous season that he decides he deserves to get paid in 2014?)

Hill needs to be allowed to come along gradually and not have to be 'the guy'

If we made a huge saving by cutting Holmes then fine,but we don't,so might as well make the fkr work for his money...if he'd rather be elsewhere...tough.

He had almost no trade value after winning the SB MVP. Now years older, bloated contract and one of the bigger POS in the league, he will have some value?

"Ah, but take a closer look; it's not as much leverage as you might think. There's off-set language in the contract, meaning Holmes -- if released -- can't earn more than $7.5 million in 2013. In other words, he can't double dip. He's maxed out at $7.5 million, so it might behoove him to take a haircut on that $11 million, knowing he'd make the most money by remaining with the Jets"

Basically it comes down to the interest in Holmes from other teams. If there is interest from other teams in him, he will feel fine in being released but it also means that we can trade him for picks. If there is no interest, then we won't get anything for him, but he will know that the Jets are his only chance to get paid.

"Ah, but take a closer look; it's not as much leverage as you might think. There's off-set language in the contract, meaning Holmes -- if released -- can't earn more than $7.5 million in 2013. In other words, he can't double dip. He's maxed out at $7.5 million, so it might behoove him to take a haircut on that $11 million, knowing he'd make the most money by remaining with the Jets"

Basically it comes down to the interest in Holmes from other teams. If there is interest from other teams in him, he will feel fine in being released but it also means that we can trade him for picks. If there is no interest, then we won't get anything for him, but he will know that the Jets are his only chance to get paid.

This is what I said, i think he will take a cut to 9 mill if the fully guarantee the 9 mill.

There will be no interest by other teams until he can get on the field which will be August at the very earliest