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Florida Governor Refuses to Enact "ObamaCare"

Florida Republican Gov. Rick Scott says he will not implement the state health insurance exchanges mandated in the 2010 federal health care law despite President Barack Obama's re-election.

The Sarasota Herald Tribune reports:

"Speaking on the New College of Florida campus following a meeting of the state's university governing board, Scott said it will cost taxpayers and business owners too much to expand Medicaid and set up health insurance exchanges as called for under the law."

"'No one has been able to show me that that health care exchange is going to do anything rather than raise taxes, raise the cost of our companies to do business,'" Scott said, adding that expanding Medicaid would also require tax increases."
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Scott is one of many Republican governors who have resisted the state programs required by the law before Election Day, but he's the first to voice continued resistance after the election.

In Congress, Republican leaders have indicated that the election results, in which the Democrats retained control of the Senate and boosted their minority in the House, would curtail efforts of repealing the law.

"It's pretty clear that the president was re-elected," House Speaker John Boehner said in an interview with ABC News Thursday. "Obamacare is the law of the land."

Re: Florida Governor Refuses to Enact "ObamaCare"

Good for Scott. After four or five years of seeing the benefits to their neighbors in other states, maybe Floridians will wise up and elect a governor who can show honesty, integrity, impartiality, and competence at basic math.

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

Re: Florida Governor Refuses to Enact "ObamaCare"

Florida is not the only one, quite a few states are looking at the budgets they are already struggling with and saying why should we spend the money to do this even with a temporary federal subsidy. HHS desperate to avoid the bill themselves is moving the deadline back for states to say what they plan to do or have the Feds set up an exchange in their place.

Let’s remember that the most important provisions of the ACA, such as penalties for Americans lacking insurance and firms not offering it, the expansion of Medicaid, and the heavily subsidized exchange-based coverage, do not go into effect until 2014. Meanwhile, new taxes on self-employment and limits on flexible spending accounts are scheduled to go into effect next year, just as Congress will be trying to boost employment growth. Additionally, lawmakers will be desperately searching for ways to delay or cut spending to deal with the deficit. That adds up to 2013 being a year for buyer’s remorse in Congress and around the country.

The reaction of employers to the ACA is likely to be the first pressure point for changes in the ACA or at least the suspension of some of its provisions. Employers have been reporting for some time that concerns about mandatory benefits are slowing their hiring. And as the Wall Street Journal recently reported, lower-wage employers are moving towards hiring part-time employees to avoid the ACA’s penalties. These patterns will only grow in 2013 as many employers eye the prospect of putting their employees into the heavily subsidized exchange plans. And the possibility of larger-than-expected enrollment in health insurance exchanges will sharply increase the budget costs, adding to the deficit pressures to curb the ACA.

A store chain here in announced that they are doing the highlighted thing here locally, making it clear they could no longer afford to maintain full time employees under the ACA requirements.

Is it possible that the ACA survived the repeal threat only to die a death of a thousand cuts?

“You can’t con people, at least not for long. You can create excitement, you can do wonderful promotion and get all kinds of press, and you can throw in a little hyperbole. But if you don’t deliver the goods, people will catch on.”

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Oh it wont die a death of a thousand cuts. The law specifically says that any state refusing to participate and set up exchanges will have them set up for them by the federal government.

Meanwhile all of the citizens of the state will be subject to the penalty who do not have insurance.

The republican party should change its name to Romper room because of the decided temper tantrum leadership....

Same thing as Boehner claiming he will have no Fiscal Cliff deal with tax increases. Well guess what sweety on Jan 1st taxes go up. So lets see the republicans oppose a tax cut for the middle class....

This is the same deal. Republicans want to cow toe to their interest who have bought and paid for them but the law will prevent them from carrying it to far.

Everyone can be great, because everyone can serve.~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

Re: Florida Governor Refuses to Enact "ObamaCare"

whereas I meant Kowtow which I have no idea why it would be spelled that way... since I know of no KOWs.......

but apparently it comes from the Chinese

Kowtow, which is borrowed from kòu tóu in Mandarin Chinese, is the act of deep respect shown by kneeling and bowing so low as to have one's head touching the ground. An alternative Chinese term is ketou, however the meaning is somewhat altered: kòu has the general meaning of 'knock', whereas kē has the general meaning of "touch upon (a surface)", tóu meaning head.

Jesus fucking christ even our words are made in China now......

Everyone can be great, because everyone can serve.~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

Re: Florida Governor Refuses to Enact "ObamaCare"

Oh it wont die a death of a thousand cuts. The law specifically says that any state refusing to participate and set up exchanges will have them set up for them by the federal government.

Meanwhile all of the citizens of the state will be subject to the penalty who do not have insurance.

The republican party should change its name to Romper room because of the decided temper tantrum leadership....

Same thing as Boehner claiming he will have no Fiscal Cliff deal with tax increases. Well guess what sweety on Jan 1st taxes go up. So lets see the republicans oppose a tax cut for the middle class....

This is the same deal. Republicans want to cow toe to their interest who have bought and paid for them but the law will prevent them from carrying it to far.

But that is exactly the problem, many states saying we can't afford what we have now so why should we do this and just letting the burden fall on the HHS which really doesn't want that bill. There are some assumptions that were made on how the ACA would be accepted and implemented that may turn out to be too optimistic and if they don't pan out will greatly undermine its effectiveness.

“You can’t con people, at least not for long. You can create excitement, you can do wonderful promotion and get all kinds of press, and you can throw in a little hyperbole. But if you don’t deliver the goods, people will catch on.”

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The states have zero up front cost and then only have to pay for 10% of the expansion.... the idea that they cannot afford that is ludicrous.

This is political 100%.

Political or not, the courts took away the Fed's power to force the State's to take on that burden. If they decide not to it will make little difference on the impact to the overall plan why they made that decision. The same goes for the business reactions of dumping full time employees.

“You can’t con people, at least not for long. You can create excitement, you can do wonderful promotion and get all kinds of press, and you can throw in a little hyperbole. But if you don’t deliver the goods, people will catch on.”

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Originally Posted by Kulindahr

Good for Scott. After four or five years of seeing the benefits to their neighbors in other states, maybe Floridians will wise up and elect a governor who can show honesty, integrity, impartiality, and competence at basic math.

These sorry old fucks elected this felon. I have no compassion for them as he dismantles the state run property insurance program (the only insurance left for many as for profit insurance won't insure or pull out of the state). He stated he would return property insurance to the private sector. His heavy vote is in big "SINKHOLE" territory and last year raised rates in Hernando and Marion County by up to 400% on sinkhole coverage which is mandatory like hurricane coverage for mortgage holders. The rates will go up dramatically again in 2013 for those living where the earth caves in. His prime electorate. Their escrow goes up even with a stable responsible fixed rate mortgage and they become foreclosures back to the suburbs of Long Island and Ohio these limber dics and sagging tits will go.

There is a place here called "The Villages" is a bunch of shit wads who think they are more then they are in the estate dept living in retirement farms. Fuck them.

Scott is a criminal. A hands on described CEO who had no idea that his company was making profits far above expectation off of Medicare fraud. He denies knowledge. He buys a election with 71 million of his own crooked money to become Gov of Fl. A job which pays $140,000 a yr.

If dumb fucks are going to knowingly elect criminals what can you do? The minority loses and suffers because of those that vote against the common good.

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One looming legal question about the provision for federal insurance subsidies available to low- and middle-income participants in the exchanges is whether the Affordable Care Act authorizes those payments for participants in a federal exchange. It will likely trigger a legal battle if states fail to establish their own exchanges.

This all matters in the all-important Section 1401, where it lays out who can get a federal insurance subsidy. There, the law says that only those who are “enrolled … through an Exchange established by the State under 1311.”

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Rick Scott is a greedy, beady-eyed cocksucker and his approval ratings are the lowest of any Florida Governor since I've lived here. I can't wait for his sorry ass to be voted out.... and it will happen.

Re: Florida Governor Refuses to Enact "ObamaCare"

whereas I meant Kowtow which I have no idea why it would be spelled that way... since I know of no KOWs.......

but apparently it comes from the Chinese

Jesus fucking christ even our words are made in China now......

Dammit! I wanted to tell you you spelt it wrong! it's Kow Tow and I, like you, have no idea why it's spelled that way, (did you see how I spelt spelled right?)
It does not make any sense.
Anyway I need to go to bed! See y'all tomorrow!

BEWARE! Harassing the Indian may result in sudden and severe hair loss.

Re: Florida Governor Refuses to Enact "ObamaCare"

whereas I meant Kowtow which I have no idea why it would be spelled that way... since I know of no KOWs.......

but apparently it comes from the Chinese

Jesus fucking christ even our words are made in China now......

That bit came from China back before the Civil War (War Between the States) (War of Northern Aggression) (Violent Disagreement Postponed by the Founding Fathers).

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

Re: Florida Governor Refuses to Enact "ObamaCare"

Dammit! I wanted to tell you you spelt it wrong! it's Kow Tow and I, like you, have no idea why it's spelled that way, (did you see how I spelt spelled right?)
It does not make any sense.

Ask the Royal Navy -- IIRC, they're the ones who first brought it into English... though they spelled it as one word, "kowtow".

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "