RolandDeschain wrote:What a tool. Revoke his invitation to the HoF altogether.

What's the point of revoking something he's already declined? Or do you mean revoke his induction instead of his invitation? I'm pretty sure they aren't revoking an induction. I'm actually pretty sure that would be a bit of an overreaction.

“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”

Thought he should have been a first ballot inductee. I am sure he has his reasons but I really think he is making a very big mistake here and is something he will regret later in life. I hope someone can talk some sense in him. This is the pinnacle of football, he should do the whole process and enjoy it.

It's expensive -- you gotta pay out of pocket for all the friends and family and speakers you bring, have to pay for a big party, etc.

Usually the team that you're most associated with picks up the tab for all this stuff, but T.O. is atypical in that he doesn't really have a team he's most associated with, and he doesn't have a good relationship with any of the teams he played for.

If it is a money thing, a guy with ego of T.O. would never, ever admit that.

Popeyejones wrote:PFT made the potentially good point that it could be a money thing.

It's expensive -- you gotta pay out of pocket for all the friends and family and speakers you bring, have to pay for a big party, etc.

Usually the team that you're most associated with picks up the tab for all this stuff, but T.O. is atypical in that he doesn't really have a team he's most associated with, and he doesn't have a good relationship with any of the teams he played for.

If it is a money thing, a guy with ego of T.O. would never, ever admit that.

Expensive if you and I were doing it, how much does he make just in appearances now, autographs etc, let alone all the money from his playing days.

Not like he is doing something like having Madonna play at his celebration ya know.

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Ok for a football player being inducted to HOF weights more than an actor winning Oscar, because one can win multiple oscars over a long period of time.

That said , Woody Allen won multiple oscars BUT never attended or accepted any of them, he was too busy playing in a jazz band on those days

++++Despite friendly recognition from the Academy, Allen has consistently refused to attend the ceremony or acknowledge his Oscar wins. His publicly given reason is his standing engagement to play clarinet in a Monday night ensemble. Back in 1974, Woody was quoted by ABC News as saying, "The whole concept of awards is silly. I cannot abide by the judgment of other people, because if you accept it when they say you deserve an award, then you have to accept it when they say you don't".+++++

He broke this pattern once. At the Academy Awards ceremony in 2002, Allen made an unannounced appearance, pleading for producers to continue filming their movies in New York City after the September 11 attacks, where he stated, "I didn't have to present anything. I didn't have to accept anything. I just had to talk about New York City." He was given a standing ovation before introducing a montage of movie clips featuring New York.

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Do Woody wouldn’t travel his personal glories, but he did for the city that he loved.

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++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ You can call me a homer, but I am not the only one ++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Once more, T.O. has made it about him. The whole “at a later date I will announce when and where” bit is just more grand standing. He will never be anything more than a look-at-me moron. If he even remotely had a clue he would realize that on that stage he will have his look-at-me moment. He can say what he feels and make people understand who he is. Football is a better sport without him.

And if you think it’s too expensive you may want to go back and look at those contracts these guys sign. ‘Too expensive’ becomes an oxymoron after they get paid.

MD5eahawks wrote:Once more, T.O. has made it about him. The whole “at a later date I will announce when and where” bit is just more grand standing. He will never be anything more than a look-at-me moron. If he even remotely had a clue he would realize that on that stage he will have his look-at-me moment. He can say what he feels and make people understand who he is. Football is a better sport without him.

And if you think it’s too expensive you may want to go back and look at those contracts these guys sign. ‘Too expensive’ becomes an oxymoron after they get paid.

But that's the whole point. That's who TO is and what he's about. It baffles me that people are so mad about this. It's more fun to just sit back and enjoy it for what it is.

MD5eahawks wrote:Once more, T.O. has made it about him. The whole “at a later date I will announce when and where” bit is just more grand standing. He will never be anything more than a look-at-me moron. If he even remotely had a clue he would realize that on that stage he will have his look-at-me moment. He can say what he feels and make people understand who he is. Football is a better sport without him.

And if you think it’s too expensive you may want to go back and look at those contracts these guys sign. ‘Too expensive’ becomes an oxymoron after they get paid.

But that's the whole point. That's who TO is and what he's about. It baffles me that people are so mad about this. It's more fun to just sit back and enjoy it for what it is.

At some point in your life you have to grow up and show respect. Do you think the other inductees are okay with his antics carrying over to the most prestigious portion of their careers. He is given a podium and time. Time that has been allotted to him so he can be him and all the football world will be watching. But no, he has to make it more than that. "That is just TO" ain't gonna cut it.

RolandDeschain wrote:What a tool. Revoke his invitation to the HoF altogether.

What's the point of revoking something he's already declined? Or do you mean revoke his induction instead of his invitation? I'm pretty sure they aren't revoking an induction. I'm actually pretty sure that would be a bit of an overreaction.

Yeah, I meant induction. I know they won't do it - but this is a pretty big thing to snub.

toffee wrote:Ok for a football player being inducted to HOF weights more than an actor winning Oscar, because one can win multiple oscars over a long period of time.

That said , Woody Allen won multiple oscars BUT never attended or accepted any of them, he was too busy playing in a jazz band on those days

++++Despite friendly recognition from the Academy, Allen has consistently refused to attend the ceremony or acknowledge his Oscar wins. His publicly given reason is his standing engagement to play clarinet in a Monday night ensemble. Back in 1974, Woody was quoted by ABC News as saying, "The whole concept of awards is silly. I cannot abide by the judgment of other people, because if you accept it when they say you deserve an award, then you have to accept it when they say you don't".+++++

He broke this pattern once. At the Academy Awards ceremony in 2002, Allen made an unannounced appearance, pleading for producers to continue filming their movies in New York City after the September 11 attacks, where he stated, "I didn't have to present anything. I didn't have to accept anything. I just had to talk about New York City." He was given a standing ovation before introducing a montage of movie clips featuring New York.

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Do Woody wouldn’t travel his personal glories, but he did for the city that he loved.

When most people think of TO they think of the boisterous character that populated the NFL for over a decade, burning bridges wherever he went.

Thats not inaccurate BTW. TO could really be an a$$.

What trips me out is I remember his draft. I remember his early interviews where he was so nervous he could barely speak. I remember him coming from a tiny little school and the next thing he knew he was in a room with Jerry Rice every day.

Remember, this is coming from a guy who couldn't stand him because of the way he left SF, but to me he was one of the most naturally gifted athletes I've ever seen. He was just a monster with the ball in his hands.

Popeyejones wrote:PFT made the potentially good point that it could be a money thing.

It's expensive -- you gotta pay out of pocket for all the friends and family and speakers you bring, have to pay for a big party, etc.

Usually the team that you're most associated with picks up the tab for all this stuff, but T.O. is atypical in that he doesn't really have a team he's most associated with, and he doesn't have a good relationship with any of the teams he played for.

If it is a money thing, a guy with ego of T.O. would never, ever admit that.

That's an interesting angle. Didn't he file bankruptcy or am I thinking of another former player?

As to the "associated with," I would think that would be the 49ers. I know that's who I think of first when I think of TO, even though he went many, many other places but where you first burst onto the scene is usually what you are most known for (except certain players like Drew Brees).

Mistashoesta wrote:No thanks to the Hawks for taking a chance on him?? Wonder why..

50/50, he catches that pass, could have made the team. Love or hate the guy,,, he is an anomaly in football. Very weird him and Moss showed up on the same theater at the same time. Those two were the most ridiculous receivers of all time. Moss ^^

Never seen top tier receivers get more wide open than those two,,,,how??? You know they are good, yet shit, all of a sudden they are open. What?

If someone wants to celebrate their induction on their own, with family and friends, or however he'd prefer to do it, great! I'll shrug my shoulders on this one, more power to him. I don't really care what he wants to do, and nobody should be forced to go if they don't want to be there. He was a great WR and he deserves the nod- doesn't mean he has to go.

nategreat wrote:If someone wants to celebrate their induction on their own, with family and friends, or however he'd prefer to do it, great! I'll shrug my shoulders on this one, more power to him. I don't really care what he wants to do, and nobody should be forced to go if they don't want to be there. He was a great WR and he deserves the nod- doesn't mean he has to go.

For the most part I agree with you but I just really think there should be some peer pressure from the HOF inductees to let him know he is making a mistake. This is a once in a lifetime event and he really should participate in it.

Aside from prestige, are there any benefits to being inducted into the Hall of Fame? T.O. was never a fan of the NFL as a business, I'm not at all surprised by his decision. Honestly, as a business, the NFL sucks, but that's for another thread and another day.