Last week saw revelations that the FBI and the NSA have been collecting Americans' phone records en masse and that the agencies have access to data from nine tech companies.But secrecy around the programs has meant even basic questions are still unanswered.

Some people on this forum are under the impression we don't have the technology for this type of thing. Hilarious!

A couple in Philadelphia has filed a class-action lawsuit against the National Security Agency and Verizon, claiming they and their phone records were targeted for surveillance because of their outspoken criticism of Barack Obama and the U.S. military. This is believed to be the first official lawsuit filed against the government and the company, since it was revealed that Verizon had been ordered to turn over phone metadata for all of its customers.

The couple who filed the class-action suit are not just any disgruntled Verizon customers, however. They are Charles and Mary Ann Strange, the parents of a Navy SEAL who was killed along with 37 others, when his helicopter was shot down in Afghanistan in 2011. Several of the families of those lost in the attack have questioned the Defense Department's official story of the incident — one of the deadliest single events of the entire war for American troops — and they specifically blame President Obama's polices for leading to those deaths. Among their many complaints: that Afghan forces working with the Americans may have set them up; that because many of those killed that day were members of the same unit that killed Osama bin Laden, publicizing their role in the earlier mission made them targets for retaliation; and that rules of engagement prevented the helicopter and the men on it from fighting back. They also claim that a Muslim cleric was invited to speak at the funeral, who then insulted the dead servicemen in Arabic, although there's little evidence to support that charge

Last week saw revelations that the FBI and the NSA have been collecting Americans' phone records en masse and that the agencies have access to data from nine tech companies.But secrecy around the programs has meant even basic questions are still unanswered.

Some people on this forum are under the impression we don't have the technology for this type of thing. Hilarious!

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A couple in Philadelphia has filed a class-action lawsuit against the National Security Agency and Verizon, claiming they and their phone records were targeted for surveillance because of their outspoken criticism of Barack Obama and the U.S. military. This is believed to be the first official lawsuit filed against the government and the company, since it was revealed that Verizon had been ordered to turn over phone metadata for all of its customers.

The couple who filed the class-action suit are not just any disgruntled Verizon customers, however. They are Charles and Mary Ann Strange, the parents of a Navy SEAL who was killed along with 37 others, when his helicopter was shot down in Afghanistan in 2011. Several of the families of those lost in the attack have questioned the Defense Department's official story of the incident — one of the deadliest single events of the entire war for American troops — and they specifically blame President Obama's polices for leading to those deaths. Among their many complaints: that Afghan forces working with the Americans may have set them up; that because many of those killed that day were members of the same unit that killed Osama bin Laden, publicizing their role in the earlier mission made them targets for retaliation; and that rules of engagement prevented the helicopter and the men on it from fighting back. They also claim that a Muslim cleric was invited to speak at the funeral, who then insulted the dead servicemen in Arabic, although there's little evidence to support that charge

I feel terrible they lost their son and the man made the ultimate sacrifice, but this lawsuit is bullshit.

People really need to sit back and wait for more facts on this one.

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You mean the same "security briefs" that gave our last president credible info that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? Those same guys? /facepalm

There is no security brief I could ever attend that would make me change my mind about spying on our own people without legal warrants. None.

__________________ "So let me get this straight. We have the event of the year on TV with millions watching around the world... and people want a punt, pass, and kick competition to be the halftime entertainment?? Folks, don't quit your day jobs."- Matty

Roger Clemens lies to Congress and they go after him relentlessly. The head of NSA lies to Congress and I imagine nothing will happen.

Why isn't he being charged? Why isn't he being impeached?

You want me to have faith in these guys to properly brief the President? **** no. Absolutely not.

__________________ "So let me get this straight. We have the event of the year on TV with millions watching around the world... and people want a punt, pass, and kick competition to be the halftime entertainment?? Folks, don't quit your day jobs."- Matty

You mean the same "security briefs" that gave our last president credible info that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? Those same guys? /facepalm

There is no security brief I could ever attend that would make me change my mind about spying on our own people with legal warrants. None.

Well thank God you are not in charge.

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Roger Clemens lies to Congress and they go after him relentlessly. The head of NSA lies to Congress and I imagine nothing will happen.

Why isn't he being charged? Why isn't he being impeached?

You want me to have faith in these guys to properly brief the President? **** no. Absolutely not.

LOL , and you want to know why people laugh at you? You just compared the Head of NSA to Roger Clemens .

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Why? I'd get rid of big money lobbying and changed campaign finance all together. I would then get rid of the god awful Patriot Act and do away with the Homeland Security waste.

I'd be a much better President than the one we currently have or the one previous to him as well.

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LOL , and you want to know why people laugh at you? You just compared the Head of NSA to Roger Clemens .

I haven't asked why people are laughing at me, mainly because they are not. Are you so dense that you don't realize that lying to congress is a crime? The fact that you think government officials should be above the law is mind boggling to say the least.

(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully—

(1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact;
(2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation;

or

(3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry;
shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both. If the matter relates to an offense under chapter 109A, 109B, 110, or 117, or section 1591, then the term of imprisonment imposed under this section shall be not more than 8 years.

(b) Subsection (a) does not apply to a party to a judicial proceeding, or that party’s counsel, for statements, representations, writings or documents submitted by such party or counsel to a judge or magistrate in that proceeding.

(c) With respect to any matter within the jurisdiction of the legislative branch, subsection (a) shall apply only to—

(1) administrative matters, including a claim for payment, a matter related to the procurement of property or services, personnel or employment practices, or support services, or a document required by law, rule, or regulation to be submitted to the Congress or any office or officer within the legislative branch; or

(2) any investigation or review, conducted pursuant to the authority of any committee, subcommittee, commission or office of the Congress, consistent with applicable rules of the House or Senate.

__________________ "So let me get this straight. We have the event of the year on TV with millions watching around the world... and people want a punt, pass, and kick competition to be the halftime entertainment?? Folks, don't quit your day jobs."- Matty