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Re: [Round 1 - Team 7 vs Team 9 Singles 1] Ochi vs Tooyama

Tooyama definitely. The only problem is Mach serve, Kintarou would deal with it if Atobe returned it second try. However, Kintarou's mental is really low, so he might have problems dealing with Ochi's mental pressure.

I'm going with Tooyama because he would destroy Ochi as he has no strength. 6-3 for Tooyama or 6-4.

Re: [Round 1 - Team 7 vs Team 9 Singles 1] Ochi vs Tooyama

This depends entirely if Tooyama can break the serve. Ochi Mental Assassin also seem that it would be pretty effective against Kin-Chan. However, I don't see Ochi returning Kin-Chan new serve either. Eventually, Ochi arm should give out.

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Re: [Round 1 - Team 7 vs Team 9 Singles 1] Ochi vs Tooyama

I think it would be really close. Tooyama wins in the strength department, but Ochi wins in the Mental department.
Ochi's Mental pressure sorta ressembles Yukimuras Yips in a way. When yuki yipped Tooyama, he was utterly defeated, even though he is one known for amazing strength.
Ochi's serve would also be a big factor too.
Tooyamas serve was good too--- but even though it seemed like it scored on Hakamada, it really didnt phase him as he just did vanish the next points and started beating Tooyama.

I think Ochi could hold serve, as it seems he was never broken in the match except maybe in the very last set. Tooyama would prolly hold serve too, but might have a higher chance of being broken if the mental pressure gets to him.

Re: [Round 1 - Team 7 vs Team 9 Singles 1] Ochi vs Tooyama

Originally Posted by Tsukihime no uta

I think it would be really close. Tooyama wins in the strength department, but Ochi wins in the Mental department.
Ochi's Mental pressure sorta ressembles Yukimuras Yips in a way. When yuki yipped Tooyama, he was utterly defeated, even though he is one known for amazing strength.
Ochi's serve would also be a big factor too.
Tooyamas serve was good too--- but even though it seemed like it scored on Hakamada, it really didnt phase him as he just did vanish the next points and started beating Tooyama.

I think Ochi could hold serve, as it seems he was never broken in the match except maybe in the very last set. Tooyama would prolly hold serve too, but might have a higher chance of being broken if the mental pressure gets to him.

Close match where I still can not determine a winner.

That could mean that's because Hakamada strength is good. Ochi, on the other hand. got his racquet flying from just Kabaji's shot, which is no where Gin, and especially not equal to a shot more dangerous than that.

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Re: [Round 1 - Team 7 vs Team 9 Singles 1] Ochi vs Tooyama

I'm thinking 6-2 or 6-3 Kintarou. The pressure won't be on Ochi's opponent here, but on Ochi as Ochi doesn't have the speed or power to counter Kintarou so there will be zero threat of Kintarou's serve being broken. With the clones, Kintarou eventually returns Mach if he couldn't do so from the start. Of course, Kintarou could perhaps KO Ochi with Daishaarin. :P

Re: [Round 1 - Team 7 vs Team 9 Singles 1] Ochi vs Tooyama

If Ochi (and Mouri for that matter) were really that weak to power shots, why did Atobe tell Niou to switch back to Tezuka and not stay as Kabaji for the rest of the match as well? Seems like a much better choice to me if it was that simple.

Re: [Round 1 - Team 7 vs Team 9 Singles 1] Ochi vs Tooyama

Originally Posted by Kaoz

If Ochi (and Mouri for that matter) were really that weak to power shots, why did Atobe tell Niou to switch back to Tezuka and not stay as Kabaji for the rest of the match as well? Seems like a much better choice to me if it was that simple.

I've already discussed with you that I don't think they're that weak to power shots and Kabaji's just a limited player, so he's more or less ineffective against them. However, Kintarou's power is on a whole new level above Kabaji's and while I'm not saying Kintarou will KO Ochi, Kintarou just has incredible speed and power, plus the clones, and Ochi can't stand up to that long term.

Re: [Round 1 - Team 7 vs Team 9 Singles 1] Ochi vs Tooyama

Originally Posted by FrostyMouse

However, Kintarou's power is on a whole new level above Kabaji's and while I'm not saying Kintarou will KO Ochi, Kintarou just has incredible speed and power, plus the clones, and Ochi can't stand up to that long term.

He doesn't need to. Clones aren't really effective against Mach since it's based on reaction, not court coverage, so that should still take games and Kintarou is probably weaker to pressure than Atobe and will eventually beat himself.

Re: [Round 1 - Team 7 vs Team 9 Singles 1] Ochi vs Tooyama

Originally Posted by Kaoz

He doesn't need to. Clones aren't really effective against Mach since it's based on reaction, not court coverage, so that should still take games and Kintarou is probably weaker to pressure than Atobe and will eventually beat himself.

Reaction also happen to be Kin-chan forte. Doesn't he jump back far enough to get a ball that supposedly should score during his one point match with Echizen? I think if Ochi is going to win this, he'll by Mental Assassination

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Re: [Round 1 - Team 7 vs Team 9 Singles 1] Ochi vs Tooyama

Wasn't Mental Assassination caused by the pressure on Atobe to win? Kintaro's one of those "play for fun" guys who doesn't really care about winning. In fact, Chitose said his carefree attitude was why he was closest to TnK, not Echizen... so would Mental Assassination even work?

Re: [Round 1 - Team 7 vs Team 9 Singles 1] Ochi vs Tooyama

Originally Posted by -Ken-

Reaction also happen to be Kin-chan forte. Doesn't he jump back far enough to get a ball that supposedly should score during his one point match with Echizen? I think if Ochi is going to win this, he'll by Mental Assassination

Yeah but that Twist Serve is much slower than Mach. Or at least I would assume so given that people usually at least see it and it doesn't just end up behind them.

EDIT: Actually that more shows a good movement speed, not reaction. If he had an awesome reaction time, he would have just hit it the first try like everyone else.

Re: [Round 1 - Team 7 vs Team 9 Singles 1] Ochi vs Tooyama

Originally Posted by Kaoz

He doesn't need to. Clones aren't really effective against Mach since it's based on reaction, not court coverage, so that should still take games and Kintarou is probably weaker to pressure than Atobe and will eventually beat himself.

I think 10 guys holding a racquet have a better chance of hitting a ball than just 1.