Wait, it was embarrassing for Biden to try and WIN the debate? Isnt that what debating is all about? Also, why make fun of his appearance, he's a freaking old man, what do you expect, a full head of hair?

I've found that Romney fans are obsessed with making fun of Obama and Biden's demeanaor, appearance, debating style, attitude, etc. and they convieniently ignore the idea that Romney is trying to win the presidency while divulging as little information as possible. He doesnt want to really explain in detail his plans, methods or policies. If romney is really the best candidate for the job, why all the secrecy? Why hiding the tax returns? If Romney wasnt called out on the carpet about his taxes, he would have not volunteered to show them on his own. Obama has constantly asked Romney to explain, in detail, what his plans are and Romney just beats around the bush and avoids the subject.

Maybe the Romney camp is too busy trying to send out press releases that Joe Biden is acting 'strange' and "off balance". I know if i was trying to NOT discuss the actual policies and issues and wanted people to vote for me, i'd take the stance that the other guy is strange rather than say that i'm the right man for the job because of XYZ.

Just remember this when you vote Obama in 2012 and recall the pledge Obama made on Feb 23 ,2009

Obama made the pledge , following a "Fiscal Responsibility Summit" one month after his inauguration.

His words: "Today I am pledging to cut the deficit we inherited in half by the end of my first term in office. Now, this will not be easy. It will require us to make difficult decisions and face challenges we've long neglected. But I refuse to leave our children with a debt that they cannot repay, and that means taking responsibility right now, in this administration, for getting our spending under control."

He said then that the nationís $1.3 trillion deficit was the largest in the nationís history. That figure was mostly unchanged through fiscal year 2011.

And now you want to believe the same served up in 2009 for 2012?

I also was deeply offended by Biden laughing and smirking when Ryan was debating serious issues--these issues are no laughing matter.

Anyone who smirks and smiles like a Cheshire Cat at these issues should be given a swift kick in the rear end.

Do people actually watch these things trying to figure out who they will vote for?? If you can't tell the difference on the issues and need a debate then something is wrong or you are asleep. There is a stark difference between the two candidates on what they stand for.

I also feel that nobody votes based on who the VP is.

Too many compelling baseball games on to be bothered watching these ripoffs talk.

Just remember this when you vote Obama in 2012 and recall the pledge Obama made on Feb 23 ,2009

Obama made the pledge , following a "Fiscal Responsibility Summit" one month after his inauguration.

Well, yeah, and George Bush made the promise he was going to cut the deficit and reduce the size of government, and instead added $5 trillion to the national debt and then presided over the largest expansion of the Federal government ever. And now Romney promises he's going to do things like cut tax rates but make up the revenue by eliminating loopholes and deductions, and this zero sum plan is supposed to stimulate the economy. And he's not going to eliminate the more popular aspects of Obamacare like not allowing the insurance companies to discriminate against pre-existing conditions but get rid of things like the mandate, and somehow the insurance companies are going to buy off on this. Or he's not going to cut any money at all out of Medicaid and in fact increase it, and he's going to expand the military (which is already 70% of the discretionary budget), and don't worry about Medicare and Social Security ... and somehow he's going to get spending under control and reduce the deficit by eliminating Big Bird's 0.00000014 of the Federal Budget.

So the choice comes down to do you want someone (Obama) who failed to deliver on a promise in the fact of a hostile, intransigent Congress, or do you want someone (Romney) who is telling obvious whoppers up front, and who represents a party that absolutely failed to bring down deficits, and instead put the country on a trajectory to its current $trillion dollar deficits, relying exactly the same trickle down economics,tax cutting plan the last time they held the office? (Well, for that matter under Reagan, too.)

no problem,personally i don't care for biden obama romney or ryan but biden did win the debate tonite

No he didn't. Joe can laugh, smile, and smerk but 23 million americans out of work and a 15 triilion dollar debt is nothing to laugh about. Ryan won according to CNN. Looks like you are in a minorty if you think Biden won.

Wait, it was embarrassing for Biden to try and WIN the debate? Isnt that what debating is all about? Also, why make fun of his appearance, he's a freaking old man, what do you expect, a full head of hair?

I've found that Romney fans are obsessed with making fun of Obama and Biden's demeanaor, appearance, debating style, attitude, etc. and they convieniently ignore the idea that Romney is trying to win the presidency while divulging as little information as possible. He doesnt want to really explain in detail his plans, methods or policies. If romney is really the best candidate for the job, why all the secrecy? Why hiding the tax returns? If Romney wasnt called out on the carpet about his taxes, he would have not volunteered to show them on his own. Obama has constantly asked Romney to explain, in detail, what his plans are and Romney just beats around the bush and avoids the subject.

Maybe the Romney camp is too busy trying to send out press releases that Joe Biden is acting 'strange' and "off balance". I know if i was trying to NOT discuss the actual policies and issues and wanted people to vote for me, i'd take the stance that the other guy is strange rather than say that i'm the right man for the job because of XYZ.

No he didn't. Joe can laugh, smile, and smerk but 23 million americans out of work and a 15 triilion dollar debt is nothing to laugh about. Ryan won according to CNN. Looks like you are in a minorty if you think Biden won.

better check your math about me being in the minoritycnn has ryan winning 48% to 44%cbs has biden winning 50% to 31%

And can ONE of these 4 guys answer a question with some honesty? Their answers are 98% lies that they should all be called out on. I don't get it.

America as we were raised to believe it was, is circling the drain.....every "great" nation/society of days gone by has perished after a millennium or whatever. Anyone believe America and its "democracy" will survive mankind? Try reading The History of Man for proof........

Well, yeah, and George Bush made the promise he was going to cut the deficit and reduce the size of government, and instead added $5 trillion to the national debt and then presided over the largest expansion of the Federal government ever. And now Romney promises he's going to do things like cut tax rates but make up the revenue by eliminating loopholes and deductions, and this zero sum plan is supposed to stimulate the economy. And he's not going to eliminate the more popular aspects of Obamacare like not allowing the insurance companies to discriminate against pre-existing conditions but get rid of things like the mandate, and somehow the insurance companies are going to buy off on this. Or he's not going to cut any money at all out of Medicaid and in fact increase it, and he's going to expand the military (which is already 70% of the discretionary budget), and don't worry about Medicare and Social Security ... and somehow he's going to get spending under control and reduce the deficit by eliminating Big Bird's 0.00000014 of the Federal Budget.

So the choice comes down to do you want someone (Obama) who failed to deliver on a promise in the fact of a hostile, intransigent Congress, or do you want someone (Romney) who is telling obvious whoppers up front, and who represents a party that absolutely failed to bring down deficits, and instead put the country on a trajectory to its current $trillion dollar deficits, relying exactly the same trickle down economics,tax cutting plan the last time they held the office? (Well, for that matter under Reagan, too.)

PS - Good to see The Real Truth on the forum again.

If you truly believe all this then the only person you don't have on ignore is Barrack Obama. Watch baseball it will free up your mind.

This is correct....and dont let anyone tell you otherwise. I have to give Ryan credit for one thing, he can look straight at anyone and say ANYTHING....no matter how factually incorrect it is and not even blink. Has chosen the perfect career.