It sounds like it'll be really good. But its got the godawful cotic wrap around graphics which dont suit a road bike at all, they just scream "trail centre mincer"

If they stickered it up differently (with some of their other decals) it would be sweet. Otherwise it just has the look/feel of a "mtbers road bike" like the Orange Carbo, rather than something to be taken seriously.

I just can't shake the mtb'ers road bike, from the man who dislike drop bar bikes so much he made the roadrat.
On the plus side, it looks nice enough, and it's not just a badged up catalogue frame. Much as the cotic wrap isn't for me, it's better than them writing cotic on it 2 dozen times in the fashion of many road bikes. I guess price will be the point, will it compete with the genesis aether or the condor Acciaio?

not so interested after all, hoping they may have been 50/38 or so, oh well.

well that's the prototype bike (Cy's own) sporting a mix of 105 and XT gear; Cy runs a mountain bike chainset because his knees don't like narrow road cranks, so i guess you could put bigger rings on that one if you were desperate to show your MTB roots, or just put a road 50/38 chainset on the frame

i was interested in 50/38 for my hybrid is all, so i was hoping they might have been bigger rings on the cotic as i never come across a 50 ring for a mtb crank before and still haven't (not that i've been actively looking mind).

i was interested in 50/38 for my hybrid is all, so i was hoping they might have been bigger rings on the cotic as i never come across a 50 ring for a mtb crank before and still haven't (not that i've been actively looking mind).

Plenty of 50s available for an XT touring, as it's an old-fashioned 110BCD. Here's a 50T for a standard 4 arm MTB chainset.

Oh and that bike would just be a mtbers road bike, whatever stickers they put on it.

If you read the road.cc link, it sounds to me like Cy is aiming for a proper modern road bike made out of steel as he thought most of what he saw out there already were harking back rather than looking forward. Some more on it on the cotic site.

I thought I'd read more of Cy's thoughts on it but can't see it anywhere now, maybe I imagined it...

I don't think it's really competing with the Kaff as it looks like Cy has had to have his arm twisted to go for mudguard eyelets so it's doubtful it'll have rack bosses.

Don't see what the problem is with rack bosses, unless ultimate light weight is an issue.
Doesn't take anything away from the bike and makes it massively more versatile.
I can't afford or house two road bikes, so would be a deal breaker for me.