Is congressional districting according to race justified racial discrimination?

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Re: Is congressional districting according to race justified racial discrimination?

Not really self-explanatory. The Voting Rights Act required it of affected states, so are you asking was the law justified or the states that complied with the laws, but then went far beyond in gerrymandering GOP seats by further diluting black votes in the process?

Re: Is congressional districting according to race justified racial discrimination?

Originally Posted by Declan

Not really self-explanatory. The Voting Rights Act required it of affected states, so are you asking was the law justified or the states that complied with the laws, but then went far beyond in gerrymandering GOP seats by further diluting black votes in the process?

No, that's not what I am asking. The question is is the practice of deliberately drawing congressional district lines to favor or disfavor a particular racial group justified racial discrimination. That is the question. Clear?

Re: Is congressional districting according to race justified racial discrimination?

Originally Posted by OrphanSlug

No, because there is no such thing as "justified racial discrimination."

I disagree with you. There is indeed a such thing a justified racial discrimination. If you want to discuss it, I have opened a thread on the topic. Having said that, I am not sure if this is an example of it. I just want to see what others think. It may assist me in coming to a conclusion.

Re: Is congressional districting according to race justified racial discrimination?

Originally Posted by Declan

Not really self-explanatory. The Voting Rights Act required it of affected states, so are you asking was the law justified or the states that complied with the laws, but then went far beyond in gerrymandering GOP seats by further diluting black votes in the process?

You seem to be confusing intended outcome of discrimination with the process of discrimination. You cannot turn a minority into a majority; you can either concentrate minorities into special districts thus giving them a token representative (still easily ignored) or spread them as thinly as possible hoping to minimize the impact of their vote in that manner.

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Re: Is congressional districting according to race justified racial discrimination?

Originally Posted by US Conservative

Racist through and through. As are race based preferences that the left loves.

Do they really love them, or do they support it just to get black votes, just like some on the right support anti gay policies just to get the votes of the religious right? I was talking to one guy and he said it's just a shell game both sides play.

Re: Is congressional districting according to race justified racial discrimination?

Originally Posted by MildSteel

I disagree with you. There is indeed a such thing a justified racial discrimination. If you want to discuss it, I have opened a thread on the topic. Having said that, I am not sure if this is an example of it. I just want to see what others think. It may assist me in coming to a conclusion.

Well, then lets turn the tables a bit (sorry I missed the other thread.) If there is such a thing as "justified racial discrimination" when it comes to congressional redistricting then are we not making an argument for outright segregation of the populace? It seems to me that if we are suggesting that representation should best match the racial make up of a community, then by source the community has to be overwhelmingly one race to ensure pure outcome of that representation under "justified racial discrimination." Or, segregation by race. And if follows, then there is no reason to stop at race but also extend to age, perhaps income level, etc. I mean, why not? Since we are talking about "justified racial discrimination" then why not have "justified ageism discrimination?"

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Re: Is congressional districting according to race justified racial discrimination?

Originally Posted by MildSteel

Do they really love them, or do they support it just to get black votes, just like some on the right support anti gay policies just to get the votes of the religious right? I was talking to one guy and he said it's just a shell game both sides play.