flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 5000

ASRS Report

81987

Person 2

Function

flight crew : first officer

Qualification

pilot : commercial pilot : instrument

Events

Anomaly

conflict : airborne less severe

Independent Detector

other flight crewa

Resolutory Action

none taken : detected after the fact

Consequence

Other

Miss Distance

horizontal : 200 vertical : 1500

Supplementary

Primary Problem

Flight Crew Human Performance

Air Traffic Incident

Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

Flight overflying bwi en route iad-phl IFR 7000'. Just after passing over bwi at approximately XA20 EST approach advised us of traffic at our 9 O'clock position, 3 mi 5000'. 'No contact.' air carrier flight en route bwi newark, nj called us in sight and cleared to 9000'to maintain visibility sep. Traffic was again called to us at 9 O'clock less than 1 mi 6200' and climbing. 'Still no contact.' ATC again questioned air carrier if they had us in sight because they were concerned with sep as per phone conversation with bwi approach controller. We then saw air carrier. He was at our 11 O'clock position just out of 7000' climbing rapidly less than on quarter mi away. Air carrier then confirmed they had us in sight 'directly below them at that time.' sometime later ATC bwi called the traffic out of 8000' and no longer a factor. I would call this a near miss but at best careless and reckless operation by the air carrier crew.

Title: CLEARED TO CONTINUE CLIMB WITH REFERENCE TO SIGHTED TRAFFIC. LESS THAN STANDARD SEPARATION WHEN TRAFFIC LOST.

Narrative: FLT OVERFLYING BWI ENRTE IAD-PHL IFR 7000'. JUST AFTER PASSING OVER BWI AT APPROX XA20 EST APCH ADVISED US OF TFC AT OUR 9 O'CLOCK POS, 3 MI 5000'. 'NO CONTACT.' ACR FLT ENRTE BWI NEWARK, NJ CALLED US IN SIGHT AND CLRED TO 9000'TO MAINTAIN VIS SEP. TFC WAS AGAIN CALLED TO US AT 9 O'CLOCK LESS THAN 1 MI 6200' AND CLBING. 'STILL NO CONTACT.' ATC AGAIN QUESTIONED ACR IF THEY HAD US IN SIGHT BECAUSE THEY WERE CONCERNED WITH SEP AS PER PHONE CONVERSATION WITH BWI APCH CTLR. WE THEN SAW ACR. HE WAS AT OUR 11 O'CLOCK POS JUST OUT OF 7000' CLBING RAPIDLY LESS THAN ON QUARTER MI AWAY. ACR THEN CONFIRMED THEY HAD US IN SIGHT 'DIRECTLY BELOW THEM AT THAT TIME.' SOMETIME LATER ATC BWI CALLED THE TFC OUT OF 8000' AND NO LONGER A FACTOR. I WOULD CALL THIS A NEAR MISS BUT AT BEST CARELESS AND RECKLESS OPERATION BY THE ACR CREW.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.