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3. Hulls wasn't there mentally at all. Don't know what the deal is, but he seemed to have zero focus. For all the *****ing he does at other players, he needs to take a look in the mirror tonight. What bothers me about Hulls is that you concede that he can't defend at all and will get taken on every drive, so if he can't hit open shots, he has zero use on the court.

4. This team really got in trouble at a few points. One was when MSU figured that they could do whatever they wanted inside with Zeller so weak and Pritchard so incredibly slow.

5. The second was when Verdell Jones III decided to take it upon himself to make plays. Made horrible decisions, drove and didn't kick out, sloppy handles, bad shots. What we've come to expect. He needed to defer to Watford or Oladipo, but he took it upon himself, and it led to bad possession after bad possession.

6. Not having Sheehey really hurt, mostly on the defensive end, where IU's guards just couldn't match up with MSU's guards.

Expected loss for a young team, but Crean should kick their *** after that one, really. They could have won, but they got soft and played stupid basketball. I don't give the young excuse there because the talent is clearly there. But the effort, intensity and intelligence has to follow suit.

Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

Now they know the difference in opponent quality and what NOT to do. The next few practices will not be nice.

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
"But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetime’s worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

I thought offensively Zeller's absence was a combo. At times he was open in the post, and the entry guys didn't attempt to get him the ball - not on time, failed to improve passing angle, no ball fakes against ball pressure defnender, etc. In other words, very passive in even attempting the entry pass.

On many occasions, though, it appeared Zeller gave one brief, half hearted effort to establish position. Then he would not attempt to work to hold it and/or make the effort to quickly repost. So if the perfect entry opportunity didn't coincide with his possible second of being open, the window was closed. This often times came off looking like he didn't want the ball. So too passive here as well.

Seems to me we've seen this dilemma, both in establishing position and being intentional about getting Zeller the ball there before...maybe during the Kentucky game. So, I think it's a two way street. The entire team has to work hard to be sure and make that a priority. However, they did physically dominate us, especially inside.

Not too worried about the loss. I was confident the win streak was ending in Breslin Center before hand. Now, they have to use this and OSU to get acclimated to B10 defense and physicality and adjust accordingly.

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Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

That was about as bizarre a game as I remember. That 29-2 run, taking it from down 34-16 to up 45-36, was the best basketball on offense and defense IU has played all year. Otherwise, they played just as bad as possible and didn't cope well at all with MSU's physicality.

Cody needs some added strength to post up more. He needs to use the backside to lay claim to some space and allow more angles for the post entry pass. Sure the entry pass needs to be made better, and occasionally a bounce pass will work (particularly on the move/ off the dribble) and it never is tried.

I'm not sure if we have people on staff or close to the program to teach how to carve out space on the blocks. Benson could but he seems to be a Purdue guy now. Is McGinnis around? Maybe Cody can review some Adrian Dantley postups on youtube. Dude was 6'4" but used his body to carve out space on the blocks. Charles Barkley too. Dang, it seems you have to go old school to find postup players who did that well. Tim Duncan or David Robinson are as close to recent as I can think of who excelled at that.

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Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

I've thought he's done a horrible job at keeping his space. It's like he thinks he has to be continually backing into the defender in order to post up. They simply move out of the way, and he's off balance, and they're able to front him.

He also bends at the hips and tries using his ***, instead of getting into an athletic stance with a good wide base.

IU just really, really needs another guy who can score inside. Having 4 guys stand out along the perimeter and pass it around with only one guy in the middle just isn't going to cut it.

Either gotta get another guy to take some of the low post pressure off of Cody, or gotta get some guards that have the ability to create shots for other people.

Crean's offensive sets don't seem like they rely on player movement. They stand still until they get a pass, then try to go one-on-one just to make another pass.

Either gotta have an offense that creates good looks or players that have the ability to create their own.

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Yeah, a strong, big-bodied 4 would do wonders. Unfortunately, Watford is always going to be who he is, a 3 forced to play 4 who hangs out way too much on the perimeter and doesn't have the handles to consistently drive well. Elston is never going to be anything.

Would seem Perea is going to be more of an athlete/leaper than a big-bodied 4, and while I'm sure his presence will help Zeller, seems like he could use someone with a bit more bulk.

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Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

I didn't watch much of it because i picked to watch the Pacers game instead, then just wasn't interested in watching the IU game when the time came.. I knew it wasn't gonna be a great game for us. We haven't won up there at Mich St. in forever.. This team isn't the team to do it, yet. I didn't expect a win at all. The OSU game should be interesting though. Since its at AH. As we've shown, we have a chance against anybody there.