I was a bit reluctant to download another monster ISO for nothing and since the current OS running on that laptop is also x86 Gentoo instead of amd64, I kept with the x86 ISO for both setups.

On the P4 desktop, the booting stops at the scrambling of the password. It's not that the OS hangs completely, because if I press the power button, ACPI tries to do its job (although there is no shutdown or reboot, I do see the traces on VT1).
On the Core2duo laptop, xdm tries to start, the screen "flashes" normally to graphical mode, but the screen stays dark. No keypress or combination of keypresses allows me to see or do anything. The graphics card on this system is an Intel GM965, which has always worked with the xf86-video-intel driver (currently 2.9 works fine and I also recall having the 2.6, 2.7 and 2.8 branches).

This might be kind of silly, but instead of downloading an entirely new DVD couldn't a merge folder be put online? Just mount the old .iso, drag the files in that change, and then burn it. I'm not sure if this is possible or not or how this would work, I've never seen a distro do this, but are there a lot of changes between 10 and 10.1?

10.0 worked great with the 64 kernel, not the wireless, but it never works 64 bit in any distro out of the box, I guess the 64 bit kernels never have my driver for my card. I tried the x86 kernel and it hangs on gdm, and I can never get in to verbose mode, is anyone else having this problem?

I've copied the LiveDVD 10.1 (amd64) to a USB drive and booted that, wondering if any of the settings (e.g. firefox logins) or installation of additional packages (eix dev-lang/R) will persist if I reboot?

Couldn't see any mention of this in the docs, but it would be stunning if so, as it would then mean I have my own customised Live Gentoo install to carry around in my pocket

EDIT : It would appear not since I just tried installing dev-lang/R and it reports a read-only FS....

Is there scope/a method for altering/adapting this so that it is possible to have a live system that can be modified on the fly? I'm guessing USE flags would have to be set fairly generically if this is the case.

slack

Mod edit: Fixed horizontal scrolling. --kallamej_________________"Science is what we understand well enough to explain to a computer. Art is everything else we do." - Donald Knuth

Is there scope/a method for altering/adapting this so that it is possible to have a live system that can be modified on the fly? I'm guessing USE flags would have to be set fairly generically if this is the case.

slack

Mod edit: Fixed horizontal scrolling. --kallamej

Currently all Gentoo media is read-only since unionfs support was removed from genkernel and gentoo-sources not supporting aufs which is the prefer way. Anyways, I will be testing AUFS integration on the next release, I can't promise that this will be official nor that I will be able to include it on the 10.2 release which should have lots of wireless support "staging drivers, firmwares etc..". There is no way now to get around the read-only implementation on the currently 10.0 or 10.1. Stay tune for updates or join #gentoo-ten for more discussion.

Is there scope/a method for altering/adapting this so that it is possible to have a live system that can be modified on the fly? I'm guessing USE flags would have to be set fairly generically if this is the case.

slack

Mod edit: Fixed horizontal scrolling. --kallamej

Currently all Gentoo media is read-only since unionfs support was removed from genkernel and gentoo-sources not supporting aufs which is the prefer way. Anyways, I will be testing AUFS integration on the next release, I can't promise that this will be official nor that I will be able to include it on the 10.2 release which should have lots of wireless support "staging drivers, firmwares etc..". There is no way now to get around the read-only implementation on the currently 10.0 or 10.1. Stay tune for updates or join #gentoo-ten for more discussion.

That sounds very promising, will keep an eye out for updates, cheers._________________"Science is what we understand well enough to explain to a computer. Art is everything else we do." - Donald Knuth

10.1 fixed my problems that I was having. I hoped there was a graphical install to go along with this. I love Gentoo, used it for 4 straight years but switched to ubuntu just because I didn't have the time to fix things when I did something stupid. Now I don't use Gentoo simply because I don't have the time to install it. I'm trying to install Sabayon right now, problem with my burner messing up the iso though. I'll try it and then I can at least say I'm using a Gentoo based distro.

I've just had to ditch using the Live-DVD-10.1 from a USB disk as whilst the Samba tools are installed there is no kernel support for Samba included (built-in or as loadable module as far as I could tell). Would be very handy to have this included if 10.2 is to be a fully useable live distro as I'd been hoping to mount the network drives here at work. I was going to try compiling kernel support as a module, but /usr/src/ is read-only and the computer seemed to freeze for about five minutes when I 'cp -r /usr/src/linux-2.6.30-r5 /home/gentoo/Downloads/.'

Have to use M$-windoze until my new computer arrives here at work Still at least there is Cygwin & PuTTy that make life bearable

slack_________________"Science is what we understand well enough to explain to a computer. Art is everything else we do." - Donald Knuth

Have tested the 10.1 now ( AMD64 version) . It solves my problems :
while a message during the boot warns about the fact that I have to unmute my sound card, KDE starts with music .
The internet connection is directly operational as well.

There is a horrible hack you can do on a CD-RW to put an ISO9660 at the start and a UDF filesystem at the end. That way you can boot from it and if its on -RW media in a writer, change the bit in UDF.

You can do something similar with DVDs - put a random filesystem on DVD+RW (UDF preferred) so its all writable but I don't know if you can boot from UDF, nor if you can just dd it to a usb pen.

Publishing a DVD that users can change is probably going to be a support nightmare - even if its useful

I like the idea and convenience of having Gentoo on a USB drive that I could write to, so I can basically take my work with me in my pocket and use anyone's computer to get things done. Would have to be a static snap-shot really and have lots of things included that most would use, but given the current ISO is ~2.6Gb and DVD's are ~4Gb (very approx.) I can see room for leveraging that spare space with some more apps and more kernel modules (e.g. SMB FS support as mentioned above).

I think the slax USB distro version is writeable._________________"Science is what we understand well enough to explain to a computer. Art is everything else we do." - Donald Knuth

Hi! I don't know if it is technically possible but could there be a "patch" for 10.0 to upgrade the ISO to 10.1? I'm behind slow internet connection and just as I finished downloading 10.0 I saw the news about 10.1 and I would not like to spend another week for downloading.

I boot liveDVD-10.1 off a usb key on an Asus 900A eeePC. But then I can't use any more usb keys. The icon for the drive appears on the desktop(Gnome -- kde don't work) but when I try to mount it I get an error msg:

Code:

Cannot obtain lock on /media/.hal-mtab

In fact there's no such dir as '/media'. But mounting manually doesn't help if you want to play some tunes, rythymbox can't see them. I've tried different keys in different slots with the same result.

Another irritation: when I try to use any of the alt+fn consoles I keep getting interrupted by an overflow from the log(f12) console.

i use sabayon and crunchbang at the moment, but thnx to crunchbang's excellence, i want to get my teeth sunk in a little deeper, so went a looking, came across this around when i was thinking "arch", n it got me back to thinking gentoo. i did my research years ago,... why am i still faffing around... my research years ago clearly pointed the way... gentoo is the best distro to snugle up to n grow old with.

gladly downloading 10.1 64 right now.

i see sabayon a bit like it is a great gentle intro to gentoo for the novice keen to learn. but the sabayonteam have been moving their distro further along in their own distinct way, setting themselves farther apart from gentoo... and it's the gentoo i came and stayed for. i prefer the portage to the entropy.

so anyways, i'm kinda hoping for a similar experience of "oh wow, it's gentoo, but really well configured out of the box, and everything just works" kinda feel that sabayon makes it's self famous for. ... except of course, i'll be getting just the gentoo... none of the [sabayonish] stuff pulling me in a direction i dont want to go.

i use sabayon and crunchbang at the moment, but thnx to crunchbang's excellence, i want to get my teeth sunk in a little deeper, so went a looking, came across this around when i was thinking "arch", n it got me back to thinking gentoo. i did my research years ago,... why am i still faffing around... my research years ago clearly pointed the way... gentoo is the best distro to snugle up to n grow old with.

gladly downloading 10.1 64 right now.

i see sabayon a bit like it is a great gentle intro to gentoo for the novice keen to learn. but the sabayonteam have been moving their distro further along in their own distinct way, setting themselves farther apart from gentoo... and it's the gentoo i came and stayed for. i prefer the portage to the entropy.

so anyways, i'm kinda hoping for a similar experience of "oh wow, it's gentoo, but really well configured out of the box, and everything just works" kinda feel that sabayon makes it's self famous for. ... except of course, i'll be getting just the gentoo... none of the [sabayonish] stuff pulling me in a direction i dont want to go.

fingers crossed.

Note that if you're doing a fresh install you shouldn't use the Live DVD, you should use the Mininal install CD. The handbook is excellent and if followed will leave you with a basic system from which you can get going (see more docs for Xorg, desktop configuration etc. etc.)._________________"Science is what we understand well enough to explain to a computer. Art is everything else we do." - Donald Knuth

Awesome work... How did you managed to make an ISO that boots directly off an USB drive? It doesn't work with any other liveCDs I tried. Just dd-ing a minimal install CD to an old 128 MB flash drive would be great : the liveCD changes often and CDs can only be written once.

Awesome work... How did you managed to make an ISO that boots directly off an USB drive? It doesn't work with any other liveCDs I tried. Just dd-ing a minimal install CD to an old 128 MB flash drive would be great : the liveCD changes often and CDs can only be written once.

Many thanks. I managed to boot a minimal install CD and some other distros with this utility. I wrote a little howto/reminder and i put it online : http://jonas-baehr.de/~mick/cd-usb.html. But unfortunately some distros (not Gentoo ) expect their filesystem to be on a CD, causing init failures.

@mchz : Once you've downloaded the ISO you can use sys-boot/unetbootin to stick the ISO onto a USB drive and make it bootable._________________"Science is what we understand well enough to explain to a computer. Art is everything else we do." - Donald Knuth

i downloaded 10.1 twice and the first time the download was corrupt, the second time i boot from the DVD and it takes about 20 mins to load. I left it for about 2 hours and it constantly read from the DVD even after the 2 hours.
Fujitsu N6110
it uses an intel chipset/video card and i know there are issues with intel drivers
any ideas without waiting for another month before i can install via livedvd?
kubuntu works great and the 10.1 DVD has been checked for errors and verified to match the download file that was also md5 checked._________________my system: 8800 GTS, Asus p5n32sli premium wifi-ap, Core 2 duo, SB live! 24-bit, creative inspire 5200s, 2G OCZ gold plated 800mhz ram, 200gb 10000 sata HD, 3 ide HDs and 2x XP installs 2x vista installs and 3 linux installs!

Well I did the worst, and rm /* -rf
So I thought, now is a good time to reinstall gentoo, they've just come out with a new release.
So I went to download it. 2gig's later, and I've got a live CD.
Seems like a lot, you guys must be including everything.

No, you didn't include the stage3 part.
No the wireless didn't work. (bug reported)
No I couldn't get onto the internet.
The xorg worked the first time. After that it got stuck at 74% (consistently). Right around the time xdm starts. I've got no idea what's going on.
The ctrl-alt F1 seemed to work, but then alt-f2,f3 ... didn't work. Only one console?!? That's not useful.
The cdrom locks up and cannot be opened, even while rebooting. I had to resort to a wire in the unlock hole.
The cdrom seems very slow, and speeds up and slows down over and over, even when there is no reason to access it.

So I eventually found a cable and hooked up a wired ethernet and downloaded stage 3.
I tried to take some shortcuts by keeping my existing configuration, but that didn't seem to work.
It seems that some files were missing, or the wrong version etc. OK, that's my bad I guess.

So then I pulled out a copy of puppy linux from 2007. X worked, wireless worked, right out of the box, and it would install to my hard disk.

Wow! what a concept. A live CD that can install itself! Hey you guys, that idea was new in 2002 with knoppix. If you're going to waste my bandwidth on a live cd, at least make it possible to install itself!

BTW I never had the problems installing from stage one that I've ALWAYS had installing from stage 3. And no, stage 1 doesn't take longer, because stage 3 doesn't seem to ever work!

**edit** OK that was a lot of frustration talking. I've since wiped the disk and done the stage3 install fresh and things seem to be working much better.
@slack---line Yup, I could have wasted 5 minutes of time reading docs instead of wasting a day. It's always the things that you think you know that screw you up. (as well as the things you don't know).
As I think the problems were my particular system and not general I didn't provide information. The above comments about the livecd are still valid though. (I also added some new ones).
The methods for installing from a live cd have been around for years, coming up to a decade. I think we could probably borrow someone else's solution. Then again, there is probably special case things for gentoo that I'm not aware of.

It was weird after I rebooted into puppy, and then back into gentoo's livecd things started working again. including switching between terminals. Maybe the cd was dirty or something.

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@iplayfast : If you'd read the docs surrounding the release you would have found out that the LiveDVD should not be used for installation and you could have saved the bandwidth yourself.

Besides which ~2Gb is only half of the capacity of a DVD, and if you look at the Knoppix Live DVD's they weigh in at ~4Gb!

Further, perhaps this is a step towards producing a liveDVD that an install can be done from, now there's a novel idea, developing something gradually

So great to hear your complaints and sarcasm, and useful that you filed a bug report, but more info on your hardware specs and the steps you've taken might actually see some resolution of them!

Perhaps feedback or file bugs in bugzilla on the documentation front, because the current handbook works fine for thousands of users (I've done two fresh stage3 installs in the past month on amd64 without a single problem). What are you encountering with regards to stage3 problems? Sure you're getting the correct build for your arch?)_________________"Science is what we understand well enough to explain to a computer. Art is everything else we do." - Donald Knuth