The Parish Council met on Thursday, 3rd November 2016. Highlights included plans for this year’s Christmas tree and light switch-on, more complaints over parking, lorries, drains, leaves, traffic and verges. Delay to Purton’s plans to use the cricket pitch, and little progress on the yellow lines (but not for want of trying). And Car Park Lite is back on the agenda.

Councillors Harris (Chair), Pfleger, Cobb, Sharp, Dodge, Hearn, and Kayani attended. Apologies received from Councillors Baggs and Montgomery. County Councillor Groom also attended part of the meeting to give her report.

Councillor Harris was the chairman, Deborah Bourne the clerk.

Public Questions

The Chairman prefaced the meeting by saying that the parish steward only spends a limited amount of time in the parish, and the Parish Council may need to look at employing someone themselves for one or two days a week during peak time. It was frustrating when residents were raising issues, which never seemed to get resolved fully.

Clearing the leaves, particularly around the Butts

This was becoming a perennial issue. Build-up was particularly bad after the recent wet weather. They were a hazard to children going to school. On occasion, children risked injury on slippery leaves that were obscuring the demarcation between pavement and road. Parents didn’t complain because they didn’t believe anything would happen, even if they did.

The Chairman acknowledged this was a problem. One possibility was residents joining together to clear the leaves.

Councillor Cobb, however, said that there were issues with insurance and liability. The clerk said there was a possibility that liability could be covered by the Parish Council’s policy, but this needed further research and consideration. For example, the leaf clearing would need to be organised, a safe system of work put in place. In the meantime, the Chairman said leaf clearing (and freeing up drains) should be a priority for the parish steward.

What’s happening to the defibrillator?

The resident was concerned about the potential cost to the parish. However, Councillor Pfleger confirmed that the parish council had shelved this project after he had taken the advice of a senior paramedic, who had told him he didn’t know of a single life being saved through a defibrillator that was not on site.

Who is cleaning the free-standing bus stops?

A local resident has taken on responsibility for cleaning one of the bus shelters. The Chairman said the Parish Council would welcome other volunteers, and Councillor Pfleger warned councillors not to hold their breath.

What is happening to the telephone box in the Street?

A resident was concerned that, if kept, the telephone box would become dilapidated and a magnet for graffiti and vandalism. The resident was also concerned that the Parish Council did not consider fully the cost of its maintenance before deciding to keep it.

The Chairman said that this had slipped down the Council’s list of priorities in recent months, but there was a desire in the village to keep the telephone box. Two or three people had volunteered to take the telephone box on.

Councillor Pfleger said that if this did not happen, it would get taken away.

War memorials, can someone clear them?

A resident buys crosses to put on war graves in the cemetery, but some cremation plots can hardly be found, and the names illegible, because they are so overgrown. Can someone clear them? The Chairman said he would add this to the parish steward’s list.

What’s happening about all the heavy vehicles using the village as a thoroughfare?

The Chairman referred to two articulated lorries seen overtaking, and damage to this own wall. Others had also experienced inconsiderate driving, and lorries using roads that were weight restricted.

During a lively debate, Councillor Pfleger (Lorry Watch) said he could take no action without reports (registration number plates and times). People were, he said, possibly victims of their own complacency.

The Chairman asked County Councillors Groom and Lay to keep on top of the issue, and press the case with Wiltshire Council. He also voiced concern over what would happen when the M4 Junction 16 Works started as more vehicles would be using the village as a diversion. The results, potentially, would be chaotic.

The area of amenity land between Buryfield and the Close needs some TLC.

The area was planted by the Parish Council 10-15 years ago, but is now looking very untidy. The Chairman said he would get Open Spaces Working Group to look at it.

Application for change of use at Bagbury Business Park

Two representatives of Accelerated Learning and Certification Limited attended the meeting to talk about the merits of their application for change of use. Their intention is to run training courses for gas engineers and other construction professionals from the unit. There would, they said, be no issues with parking, and they liked quiet as all their students would be sitting exams.

(Later in the meeting, the Chair of Planning Working Group said their recommendation would be to oppose the application because of parking and the potential issues to residents because of evening and weekend working).

The Chairman asked what was happening over the road between Swinley Drive and Casa Paolo. Councillor Groom said she would check, but believed this was to be a green lane. There was also a debate over what had happened to any developer’s contributions towards road improvement or other works. Nobody seemed sure of the answer to this, but it was mooted that the planners had never been very clear over what was happening and that most of the money had gone to Swindon.

Neighbourhood Watch

Councillor Sharp said it had been a quiet month, but warned residents to be on their guard during Bonfire night and the run-up. In previous years, there had been cases of thieves using people being out of their houses as an opportunity.

Lydiard Millicent and its Neighbourhood Plan

Councillor Dodge gave an update on the first meeting of the steering group held on 18th October. The next meeting is to be held on 8th November.

Leaving the New V Neighbourhood Plan

The Clerk reported Wiltshire Council are not happy with the form of wording Lydiard Parish Council used to say they will be leaving the New V Group, and have proposed new wording. The main difference appears to be that Wiltshire Council want Lydiard Millicent to say they [Lydiard Millicent] want to leave New V. However, Lydiard Parish Council appear not to want to say that. They say they are only leaving New V because Wiltshire Council say they can’t continue to be part of New V when/if Lydiard Tregoz leave (because that will create a non-contiguous area).

Wiltshire Council allegedly want the departing parishes to leave sequentially.

The Chairman queried whether this stance from Wiltshire Council meant there would be less money available for Lydiard Millicent, which was being forced to go it alone.

Another debate on leaving New V ensued.

Councillors Dodge and Sharp pointed out that the resolution proposed in this instance did not affect Lydiard Millicent, but was necessary for Purton to leave. If the Council did not agree it, New V would just continue to limp on, achieving very little.

The wording proposed by Wiltshire was agreed. This consents to Purton leaving the group.

However, the resolution for Lydiard Millicent formally to leave New V (Wiltshire Council wording) appears yet to be approved, so it looks like the issue is still on-going.

The JCH and Recreation Ground

Purton Cricket Club will now not be using the Recreation Ground for 2017 season. The wicket is in a worse state than they originally thought, due in part to ant hills and a lack of maintenance in previous years. They remain committed to using it for the 2018 season. Due to the number of pitches having been converted to all weather surfaces, Lydiard’s could be in high demand and it was felt that work on it should progress.

Anti-pigeon spikes have now been fitted at the JCH.

The Community Field

The Chairman reflected on the resolution that the Council passed in November last year. This was not to abandon the car park project, but to postpone it because of the cost. The Open Spaces Working Group had been looking at alternatives and ways of reducing cost.

It was resolved that the Working Group should continue to progress matters. It would do so by considering ways of reducing costs; through discussions with Wiltshire Council over reducing the car park specification, seeking additional funding (possibly from the Church, Parish Hall, School – in conjunction with the development of its transport plan) and utilising self-help schemes involving the community.

Yellow lines to combat school-time obstructions

Councillor Cobb reported that he was trying hard to progress the parking restrictions, but wasn’t getting much joy from Wiltshire Council. He suspected that Wiltshire Council wanted to “save up” several requests from different parishes so that it could save time and costs by dealing with them in a single order.

Christmas Tree

Councillor Pfleger was organising this, and would be putting the tree and lights up on 26 November. However, it was agreed that the lights would be switched on for the first time on 3rd December, to coincide with the Christmas event organised by the Parish Hall Trustees on that day.

The meeting closed at 8.50pm. The next meeting will be held at the Parish Hall on Thursday 1st December, at 7.30pm.

Lydiard Tregoz Parish Council unanimously decided to continue their support for Taylor Wimpey’s controversial planning application to build 48 new homes in Lydiard Park.

Tregoz Parish Council allocated five minutes for Kevin Fisher, spokesperson for the Lydiard Heritage Action Group, to address their meeting yesteday evening. A further five minutes was allocated for councillors to ask questions, although in reality the debate lasted slightly longer, continuing for several minutes after the Tregoz egg-timer had gone off.

Mr Fisher asked Tregoz Parish Council to reconsider their decision to back the Taylor Wimpey application in view of the overwhelming objections to the proposals. (Of 601 representation letters, just two people had written in support. Robert Buckland and James Gray MP were against the proposals, as were Lydiard Millicent Parish Council and Swindon Borough Council).

However, the Tregoz Parish Council Chairman said he thought Mr Fisher was being “very presumptious” in his request. It was not Mr Fisher’s place to try to talk the Parish Council out of a decision they had made at the last Parish Council meeting, and his attitude was “disgraceful.”

Mr Fisher explained that he, and a lot of other people, were struggling to understand the reasons behind Tregoz’s support for the application. That was the rationale behind his requests for information made under the Freedom of Information Act. It should be seen as a data gathering exercise, and he refuted suggestions made at the meeting that he was accusing councillors of any impropriety. He offered to put the correspondence on Shaw Residents Association’s website so that people could make up their own minds.

Tregoz Parish Council also took issue with the report which appeared in the Swindon Advertiser concerning their decision. According to one councillor, “blatant lies” had been published. Legal action was also mentioned. The Chairman of the Parish Council said he had raised this issue with the Swindon Advertiser, and was disappointed in the stance they had taken.

Mr Fisher said that Lydiard Tregoz Parish Council risked endorsing “the first and most significant domino” in the destruction of the rural buffer. Taylor Wimpey’s application, if granted, would pave “the way for the subsequent development of all the land west of Swindon up to and including Hook village.”

However, Lydiard Tregoz refuted this, maintaining that the gifted land from Taylor Wimpey would provide a valuable buffer between Swindon and the surrounding villages.

Lydiard Millicent “have missed a trick by not grabbing it with both hands,” one councillor said, referring to the proposed gift from Taylor Wimpey.

Mr Fisher did not accept this. He said that the land offered was unlikley to ever be built on because of its heritage status and the risk of flooding. In effect, Taylor Wimpey would be giving nothing of any value away. However, if they were successful on this sensitive location, then they could be confident they would be successful elsewhere. The buffer between Swindon and the villages to the west would then be open to development. Hence, his use of the term domino-effect.

The “gift” land in question is shown in the sketch above. It covers some fields to the south and west of Lydiard Millicent, but leaves open the possibility of developers moving in on land on the other side of Tewkesbury Way and Holborn. One area between Lydiard Stud and the Mews is already the subject of an application by Custom Land for up to 60 new homes.

One Tregoz Councillor said the Taylor Wimpey houses would meet their parish’s housing needs. They were constrained elsewhere in the parish because of the risk of flooding. However, objectors to Taylor Wimpey’s proposals maintain that the proposed development would increase the risk of flooding to Spencer Close and other areas.

Lydiard Tregoz said that they had left the New V Neighbourhood because other parishes were doing so and they could better further their residents’ interests by going it alone. They refuted any suggestion that their departure had been because of conditions imposed by Taylor Wimpey on the gifted land.

(In the main body of the meeting, it was explained that the draft neighbourhood plan would not be available for Mr Fisher’s FOIA request as it was still in draft).

The question and answer time concluded with the councillors unanimously agreeing to continue their support for the development, and the Chairman telling Mr Fisher, “You have your answer there. You can’t keep repeating stuff.”

Before public questions and the main body of the meeting, the Clerk explained how the Parish Steward scheme works.

Basically, the Parish Council submits requests for works to the Parish Steward. However, this does not mean all jobs will get done. The Parish Council may prioritise up to three. However, the parish only has a limited amount of the steward’s time; one day a month. It is down to the steward to allocate his time to certain jobs. Jobs not completed, however, are carried forward.

The clerk agreed to send councillors a list of outstanding jobs.

It was embarrassing when parishioners were raising the same points as jobs had not been done, the Chairman said. One option would be for the parish in the future to employ someone itself.

Public Questions

Leaves in the Butts

This was an item carried forward from the parish steward’s list and last meeting. Leaves still need to be cleared.

Cleaning of the bus shelters

This fell to the parish council to do. Councillor Blackmore used to clean the one in the village. In the absence of a new volunteer coming forward, the cost of doing this would have to be added to the precept.

Speed Watch

The resident appreciated Councillor Pfleger was not there. However, he wondered how many of the trained Speed Watch volunteers were still active.

Councillor Cobb said he thought about 6-8. Councillor Sharp said there were 11 names on the email circulation list.

Councillors considered whether they should be re-advertising for volunteers. It was agreed it would be a good idea to “spread the word” and to seek new volunteers, to help spread the load.

State of the road in The Beeches

The bad state of the road was mentioned. It had not been resurfaced since the drainage was put in. It was agreed the state of the road was very poor, but it was a no-through road and there was felt to be more chance of residents winning the lottery than Wiltshire Council treating it as a priority for a proper resurface. But Councillor Cobb said he would try, by raising it as an issue and it would help if residents could do so too with Wiltshire Council.

The Neighbourhood Plan

Tom Pepperell said he was surprised this was not on the agenda as an item. However, Councillor Dodge said he was hoping to hold a meeting of the steering group next week. No volunteers had come forward and it was felt the village was suffering from mass apathy.

The clerk confirmed that she had submitted the neighbourhood designation order application, and was awaiting to hear back from Wiltshire Council on it.

Neighbourhood Watch

Councillor Sharp gave his update. It had been a quiet month. The new local police team working arrangements were being introduced on 17th October, and he was attending a meeting about this on Wednesday.

County Councillor Report

County Councillor Groom sent her apologies. There was no report, and the Chairman said this should be raised with Councillor Groom as many county council matters affected the parish.

Attendance at other meetings and events

The Chairman had attended Harvest Festival at the Church. The Parish Council had purchased a wreath for Remembrance Sunday and Councillor Sharp would be attending.

Wiltshire Council Budget Meeting

Councillor Sharp and the Clerk had attended. The main issue arising was the Government’s consultation on the Local Government Finance Settlement and the proposed referendum principle on precept increases.

The latter, if passed, would require a referendum on precept increases above 2%. In its current form, it would not affect Lydiard Millicent as the prospective cap would apply only to larger authorities. However, the Parish Council were opposed to it in principle since, if rolled out to smaller authorities, it would affect its ability to raise the precept for the provision of services and was “not workable” for Lydiard Millicent.

The Clerk’s Report

This was a new agenda item.

The Clerk reminded residents she was available at the Jubilee Club House on Tuesdays 10-12 and Thursdays 2-4.

The Clerk is meeting with the parish steward and also attending the Local Government Clerks’ Conference. She reported on Finance Meeting, Jubilee Club House cleaners, discussions over the cricket ground and submission of the application for the designation order for the neighbourhood plan.

There were still two casual vacancies for new councillors.

Planning Matters

Nothing controversial. Notice was received too late for a change of use application at Bagbury Business Park. The Clerk is to ask Wiltshire Council for an extension so that the Parish Council can respond.

Jubilee Club House Grounds and Purton Cricket Club

The Parish Council is in discussions with Purton Cricket Club over use of the sports ground/recreation field. Councillor Cobb gave the update in Councillor Pfleger’s absence.

The potential quality of the wicket at Lydiard Millicent is very good, and would be suitable for club play if brought back into condition. Purton are looking to share their expertise, and hire the ground, if a deal can be reached. (Lydiard Millicent would help with any grant application, and maintain the pitch, which would probably involve training volunteers). Women and girls’ cricket in North Wiltshire could potentially be developed at the site, as well as club play and the possibility of a local team being set up.

The working group were keen to progress discussions and the Chairman described this as “a very exciting opportunity.” It was unanimously agreed to continue discussions and research.

School Parking and update on the road markings

Councillor Cobb talked about his battle to get the road markings from the Butts to the Beeches progressed.

Basically, the request is now with Wiltshire Council. However, despite Councillor Cobb pushing for this to be resolved finally, progress is slow. The school are apparently not happy with the proposals. It was reported that they thought the imposition of lines would pose a safety hazard for children. This was disputed, and the general feeling was that any safety hazard came from the crazy antics and bad parking of a minority of parents.

The School had prepared a draft travel plan, but this needed to be sent to parents and consulted upon. Wiltshire are waiting on this.

Other reasons why progress was slow; Wiltshire Council says there is little or no money available for line marking and signage, even if broken. Wiltshire would also need to consult on the line marking proposals, and include in an order which covers other schemes and works, all of which add to the delay.

The Council would keep pushing Wiltshire, and asked residents to keep the pressure up. Any pictures of irresponsible parking or the problems caused around the Butts should be sent to the Parish Council.

Lines may not be the complete solution to the traffic problem, but it was felt they would be a good first step. The proposed restriction would be 8.30-9.30 and 2.30- 3.30. The local PCSO at Royal Wootton Bassett was amenable to come over on an ad hoc basis to ensure compliance.

The Parish Council agreed something needed to be done and would push Wiltshire Council on this one.

Other highway issues

The issue of signage in Greatfield has now been closed by Wiltshire. Since the speed restriction road signs are visible, they do not think there is a problem.

The issue of the Beeches bus stop being made disabled friendly has also been closed as there is not enough room to alter the stop apparently, and there is disabled access on the other side of the road (their logic, not mine).

The County’s Freight Management Scheme had been discussed. Councillor Cobb expressed surprise at Wiltshire Council’s view that the Lydiards area did not have a problem.

Councillors met to discuss Custom Land’s appeal against the refusal of their application for outline planning permission. Local residents also attended, and offered their thoughts on Custom Land’s proposal to build four houses on land off the Mews.

Parking and bin storage is already an issue at the Mews, residents said. Building more homes on the land, with a narrow access way would make things worse.

They also voiced concern that Lydiard is “quite a special place” and that the appeal, if successful, could have a domino-effect. Custom Land have also recently taken informal soundings on plans to build up to 60 homes on land bordering the application site, whilst Taylor Wimpey have applied for permission to build 48 houses off Tewkesbury Way. Residents, therefore, fear a potential pincher movement from developers threatens the green fields, which separate Lydiard from Swindon.

Residents urged the Parish Council to do anything they could to support Wiltshire’s case for refusing the application.

Whether Custom Land’s plans go ahead will now be determined by a planning inspector at an Appeal. A Planning Inspector will consider written representations from the developer, Wiltshire Council and others, and reach a decision. They will consider all the previous information submitted, and any new submissions. In reaching their decision, the Inspector can only take into account information that is relevant to the Appeal. In most cases, the arguments will hinge upon the grounds for refusal set out in the planning authority’s decision letter.

The deadline for new submissions is 20 September. There is no set date by which the Inspector must make a decision. However, the average time taken to determine appeals of this nature is 18 weeks from start to finish.

Unanimously, the Parish Council decided to reiterate their original objections to the proposals, and to draft a new letter to send to the planning inspector. The letter will cover the same grounds, but with a different order of emphasis. In addition, Councillor Sharp suggested that lack of sustainability should be added. Although Lydiard has some facilities, these are limited and stretched. The school is rumoured to be oversubscribed. There is a lack of parking and traffic congestion. The bus service is limited, and under threat. There are better, more sustainable locations, to build the type of homes Custom Land are proposing.

The Parish Council’s original objections include-

Access to the site is via a shared driveway with The Mews, extra traffic would be detrimental to the already congested area.

Refuse Lorries are not currently able to access the road at The Mews (where it is anticipated that the entrance to the new site would be). Residents have to take bins from their houses to a designated area along the road, any new buildings would add to this already unsatisfactory situation.

A recently commissioned Housing Needs Survey for the Parish identified that starter homes and small bungalows for “downsizing” were required within the village and not larger detached family homes.

Surface and flood water currently flows into the field, there is a concern that building works would inhibit this and exacerbate flooding in the area.

The application states it is an infill site; Core Strategy Policy 2 refers to infill as “the filling of a small gap within the village that is only large enough for not more than a few dwellings”. Two suggested layout options show four houses on this site; again reference to the Core Strategy gives a meaning of infill as “generally only one dwelling”.

Building on this side of the village should be discouraged so an Open Space is kept along the border between the Parish and Swindon Borough Council, to stop coalescence of the two.

Out of the council and residents’ original objections, only one is referred to as a grounds for refusal in the planning officer’s decision letter, that the site is not infill.

Wiltshire Council, the planning authority, were bound to determine the application in accordance with National and Local Planning Policies. It based its refusal on more narrow grounds than the wide spectrum of residents’ concerns, maintaining that the proposal was contrary to a number of its Core Policies. In particular, under Core Policy 2, it maintained that development in small villages, like Lydiard Millicent, should be limited to within the existing built area.

In reaching their decision, the planning officer at Wiltshire Council also took the view that the site was not The term infill is defined in the Core Strategy as the filling of a small gap within the village that is only large enough for not more than a few dwellings, generally only one dwelling.

Perhaps not the tightest of definitions. But then planning terms, which must bear application across a wide range of contexts, rarely are. In any case, the meaning of a few remains open to conjecture. In their appeal statement, Custom Land argue that four houses fall within any objective definition of a few and so should be classed as infill. This would then place their proposed development within Core Policy 2, as one suitable for a small village like Lydiard.

Custom Land also argue that the development should be permitted in any case because it would make a contribution to the area’s housing need. The benefit, they argue, would outweigh any potential harm, which the Core Policies are designed to prevent. The legal and planning arguments are complex. However, where a local authority fails to show a sufficient rolling five-year housing supply, less weight can be attached to its Core Policies which may restrict development. In those cases, it is harder to argue against the presumption in favour of sustainable development contained in national planning policy. Elsewhere in the county, and nationally, developers have succeeded at appeal using similar arguments where the local planning authority cannot demonstrate a deliverable five-year housing supply.

Custom Land say that Wiltshire cannot show a five-year housing supply so that the presumption in favour of development should prevail.

In their original decision letter, the planning officer for Wiltshire argued that any housing shortfall was slight. In their view, this means sufficient weight should still attach to its Core Policies, and that the harm in deviating from them would outweigh the potential good.

However, Custom Land think otherwise, and Wiltshire Council’s reply on this point should be interesting.

In May of this year, Wiltshire Council withdrew a number of its objections to an appeal by Beechcroft over proposals to build 70 new homes at the Forty in Cricklade. It acknowledged that it was then unable to demonstrate a five-year housing supply. Critics argue that this failure to show an adequate housing supply leaves Wiltshire’s towns and villages vulnerable to inappropriate development, contrary to its own planning policies.

On-street parking and where to put their wheelie bins may be the issues that most concern residents. However, Custom Land’s success or failure, may ultimately depend upon Wiltshire’s ability to show enough homes are being built elsewhere.

Any submissions on Custom Land’s appeal can be made on-line at the planning inspectorate’s website or sent in triplicate to the planning inspector at 2 The Square, Temple Quay House, Bristol, BS1 6PN, quoting reference APP/Y3940/W/3154507.

Residents are invited to “a public consultation event” to hear about a developer’s plans to build up to 60 new homes in Lydiard Millicent.

Custom Land are organising the event, which will take place on 14th July in the Parish Hall, between 7.30 and 9.30pm.

Custom Land was recently unsuccessful in its application to build four homes off the Mews. However, its latest plans are far more extensive and encompass the land to the south of the original site, bordering Meadow Springs and Badger’s Brook. The developer has yet to lodge a formal application, so the planned event is an opportunity for villagers to find out what is going on and to make their views known.

Custom Land’s previous application was vigourously opposed by local residents and the Parish Council. It failed, largely on the technical grounds that it did not constitute “infill.” However, the case law on housing need continues to develop, as does the politcial and social pressure for more homes. The draft neighbourhood plan for Lydiard shows other preferred areas for development and stresses the need to preserve a rural buffer from Swindon. However, the implosion of the neighbourhood planning process means the neighbourhood plan remains unadopted, and won’t be taken into account when any application is considered.

Wiltshire police have arrested a suspect in connection with the so-called car park rage incident at Lydiard Park.

The police have spoken to a number of witnesses. However, they are appealing for anyone else who may have seen the incidents to come forward.

The events took place on Saturday 12 March between 1.30 and 2 pm.

Things started to go wrong when a man became abusive in the Coach House tea rooms over the waiting times. He pushed a female member of staff and entered into an altercation with a member of the public who intervened, before running off to the overflow car park.

Pursued by park wardens and a member of the public, the man got into his car and tried to drive off. However, in doing so, he reversed into another person and a car. He then accelerated into a rope fence, which was being used to mark off the car park. The rope and stake became attached to the car and unfortunately the car and trailing fence post then collided with a mother and her eight year old daughter, knocking both of them over. The young girl sustained minor leg injuries. A further car was also damaged in the car park.

PC Sarah Cooper of Swindon Response Team said it was a miracle nobody was seriously injured during the incidents.

Although a 48 year old man from Monmouthshire has been arrested and released on bail, the police need to speak to anyone else who may have seen what happened.

If you saw anything, and haven’t yet spoken to the police, contact PC Cooper at Gablecross Police Station on 101.

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