Doogie Howser--for real?

I've heard of 18 year old geniuses and such getting into Harvard med, etc. after skipping several years of high school. Can anyone back these claims? If true, do these kids even take the MCAT? Extracurrics? Wtf?!#?

i once met a 19 year old law student at columbia, and she was far and away, the most immature, stupid, obnoxious person i ever met at any school in my life.
i wont get into the details of it, but her visit ended with her being kicked out of my dorm.

-these accelerated programs are the worst things for kids; the people grow up socially very awkward and very very messed up. as if fitting in weren't hard enough, these kids' peers have nothing in common with them. they may get to start life a little earlier, but they lose their youth.

What's even worse than the fact that a 17 y.o. doctor has lost his youth, is that there is no way that a 17 y.o. doctor has the mental maturity to interact with seriously ill patients in a comforting and appropriate way. I see mid-20s residents ALL THE TIME who are acting like schmucks . I can't even imagine what a 17-18 y.o. resident would be like. Those poor patients!

I agree choker...a lot of prodigies end up messed up because of the expectations placed on them combined with their immaturity. Dangerous mix. I think it ultimately makes no difference (in most cases) whether you get a head start or not. If I were a patient, I certainly wouldn't give a flying f*ck if my doc graduated when he/she was 27 as opposed to 20. Actually I'd probably trust the older doc more!

I think med schools recruit a lot of these youngsters for research. So they can make discoveries and stuff like that.

Doogie Howser - I tend to agree with anacapa - age isn't a determining factor in immaturity. I mean, suppose a kid had to deal with a sick sibling all his/her life? Then I could see a 17 year old approaching a situation with far more maturity than your average resident...

MacGuyver - Damn, now my life isn't complete without that channel... Seriously, tho, looking back at some of those shows that I thought were soo cool as a kid now just look stupid. Has anybody watched Alf lately? That's one BAD show...

Yeah, I apparently lived for Alf when it was....but I don't really remember. My mom still has my prized Alf shirt. But the show it too much to handle now, kind of like Family Matters and Full House...loved those shows then, can't stand them now.

anyone who says young accelerated people shouldn't start med school young, or they won't be mature enough, or lost their youth, or whatever
is being extremely biased and judgemental.
you really can't say one thing about a person because of their age, and making those statement is rather shallow.

I'm not saying people who are younger are fully well developed, but i just think people who make flat out judgements knowing nothing about a person, are well, only applying their (and the societies) steryotypes and making all-encompasing judgemental remarks that are very often untrue, without any solid basis.

I've known well grown adults who can act stupid and immature. I've known young kids who can act professional and proper. How do you know these kids "missed their childhood", whatever that's supposed to mean.

Why is there their the pervasive assumption that this kids are being pushed to meet someone else's expectation?

In the 50's, if a black man was found driving a mercede's, the police may ask for his liscense/registration to prove he owned the car, while a white man wouldn't be questioned. They operated under the assumption assumption that a black man couldn't possibly own a nice car, he must have stolen it. There was a lot of such discrimation 50 yrs ago. but, back then no one would call it discrimination (except the black). Now, we call it discrimination, but then, it was considered fine and natural.

Maybe the socio economic status of african americans have improved since then, but i don't think so. We, as a society have become more aware of the fact that they are african american they can still be succesful nice people.

We have pretty much dispelled the fact that majority of the blacks are poor and usually criminals. you guys haven't dispelled your myths about younger people who are advanced.

the difference between this african american discrimination vs. the steryotypes that people set on younger individual, is that the typical seventeen year old is NOT mature enough to be facing patients. But, very often the ones who are accelerated are usually more mature than their peers.

I'm 17 (well, 18 in a few weeks). and i'm a senior in university. I took my first college class when i was 9. from 9 to 17 i've finished most of my college and high school level work at a junior college and Washington Univ. unlike this boy in the article, i never felt a push from anyone to accelerate. neither my parents nor I had a desire for me to do it quick. Actually, I could take it easier than most college students, because i was several years ahead. but for some reason .... A LOT, and I MEAN ALOT of people assume i must have really pushed hard to finish young.

Choker,
i agree some of them can be very immature, and sorry you had a bad experience with your dorm mate. But, not all young ones are like that.

I feel socially more comfortable with my peers at college than others my age. I took driver's ed at a local high school last summer, and it was strange being around those who were my age, but mostly high school juniors, while i was starting my senior year at univ. Honestly, i felt most of them were really immature compared to what I was used to.
Nowadays, no one can tell I'm young compared to the rest of my peers. About half my friends know i'm younger, and only a couple professors know. but I don't hide it from anyone (spare when you need to sneak yourself into a job you're not allowed to be in until you're 18 )

When i first started college, people could tell, and it was socially sort of strange. But, by my first or second semester of college, people got used to my brother and I (and a few other young kids) around the campus. I did hang out with other kids my age in little league and such.

Interact with people older just trains us to deal with people of different background, and makes us socially STRONGER, not outcasts. I was at a community college, and there were a lot of adults (like beyond college age, in their 30's and 40's) taking classes there. And, I was often a tutour for these guys. Sometimes they knew I was younger, sometimes they didn't, but it didn't bug them at all.

I don't think i've lost my youth in any significant ways. I go out with my friends to parties or for dinner on ski trips, or canoeing or whatever. We tease each other about who has a crush on who (and who has a crush on the supposedly hot EE professor ). I go out to movies and play computer games (kindof outgrown those RPGs now though), and mess around. Granted I've never walked been to a senior prom but, so?
What does it matter if people think i've missed out on stuff if I don't feel i have.
One of my friends (she was a budhist monk, and a pre-med student, and about 30) said it's probably good that I skipped through junior high and high because of all the social pressure their.

I think we probably grow up socially stronger than most of those people.

I agree patients will probably be comfortable with older doctors.

Maturity,
I had a friend, she started at the junior college when she was 14. I guess she's anti thesis to most of the steryotypes out their. Her parents totally wanted her to just stay in high school, didn't get why she wanted to do college early and such (she was in this joint program with HS/college). Her parents were unsupportive of her in many ways, not just schooling, but she had a LOT of determination. Despite the fact that half the time she didn't have a place to stay (she kept getting kicked out of her house...but that's a whole different story), and worked 20 hrs a week along with school, usually taking the bus or train b/c she didn't yet have a lisecne(and missed a final for her job interview). In some ways, I first see here as immature because she skipped class so much and wasn't focused and such, but knowing her, i'm pretty damn amazed, and doubt me or any you else at 20 could do as she did. She was pre med for a while, but is now a graduate english lit student (I think...).

YBee,
Maturity depends on how much life experience you've had. My cousin, all her life, has been mentally retarded. November last year I was in the hospital for a week, and didn't recover fully for about 6 to 8 mos after. and believe me, it's was the brutualist dose of what medicine is about. but, don't tell me I haven't seen how people suffer because of disease and such. And it affected how i'd talk to the patients in ER and such.

I think i've lectured you all enough. anyway, my point is, there are much more steryotypes than truth out there, and ALOT of people viewpoint is biased, based only on their imagination, and not at all on the stories or facts of younger students. and, most of your reaction have been judgemental and extremly biased (and considered a little rude to me, which provoked me into this LONG post.

I'm not totally like my peers in that i still live with my parents, and still talk to dad for advice more than someone who is 20 or 22 does.
The only think i can say I missed out on was dorm life. but, i think it's been overall a good descision for my parent to come with me to university (i started at a 4 yr univ when i was 15).

Yeah, I will take MCAT. I never seen doogie howsier, but heard about. wish I had seen it. there is "smary guy", but it's kindof a kiddish show though i like it(okay, i think my TV tastes also need to grow to match a 17 yr old, which means give up wonder years and boy meets world and disney channel). yeah, i got several extracurriculars.

Wow, that was a long post indeed... Anyway, you sound like the kind of responsible person that I would want treating me if I were a patient, so I fully support you! I think this bias towards older applicants is disappointing. There are a lot of young people who are just as capable of becoming great doctors!

While I wish you great luck in your pursuit of medicine, there is a significant flaw in your analogy between prejudice towards African-Americans and the young. For those who are not, can never know what it is to be black, whereas we all know what it is to have been young. Therefore, there is some basis for bias against those who are still young.

While my experience is not too far different from your own, I moved away from home at the age of 16 and, well, all I can say is that I know a whole lot less now than I did then.

Though I don't think age is the single best predictor of medical competence, there are certain areas in which I firmly believe extremely young (I'll even go up to the age of 24 or 25) physicians are not the best/nor qualified for the job. Don't care what anyone says, I don't want to have a conversation about birth control with an 18 yo.

Though I could go on, I won't, and just wish you luck with your MCATs and medical school.

The guy who played Doogie Howser? Neil Patrick Harris? Total dingus. I worked with him on a really lousy movie called The Proposition in '97. He's incredibly concieted and a lousy actor to boot! Totally ruined my love for that 80's sitcom!

Hope his "people" don't get wind of this. I'll probably end up getting sued...which, I guess, is good practice for being a doctor...

Sonya, while I too am happy to see such academic focus, you still have alot to learn. First, you cannot compare the struggles of accelerated students with the 400+ year struggle of african americans.These two plights are very different in both scope and scale.
In addition, your knowledge of classroom material is in no way an accurate indicator of maturity. While you may have tutored older students, believe me, they know much more about life than you do.
Being an effective physician requires much more than book knowledge. What is most important is an ability to interact with your patients in order to 1)make them feel comfortable and 2)properly assess the problem. That is an art that cannot be taught by any textbook.
Maturity is defined by the extent of one's life experiences, not credit hours. And that you will not gain by the time you are 20 years old. I am not being condensending, because believe me, you sound alot like I used to. However, what you will find as you get older is that at this age, you were not as mature as you thought.

Sonya, do not compare the stereotypes projected toward African-Americans to those toward young people. Racism is a virulent disease that has caused the deaths and subjugation of millions over hundreds of years. Kobe8 mentioned this before, and I think it's worth emphasizing again. Age discrimination--particularly that toward young people--is nowhere near the same ballpark as racism in terms of intensity and focus. It's not wise to toss racism around as an analogy unless you know, or have experienced, what you're talking about.

We all have grown up, struggled, and learned from years of experiences. I think each of us, having gone through college and such, know that a few extra years--no matter how mature one was earlier--make an enormous difference. There are some things that cannot be learned early on. Of course, there are some people that never learn. But there's a reason why med schools are favoring older applicants. For example, there tends to be the attitude with young, smart individuals like yourself, Sonya, that you think you know everything you can know before you go to med school. I know because I used to be like that too. All I can say is no matter how mature you think you are, the mere fact that you claim to be so mature is immature in and of itself. No one is mature enough, and we all have stuff to improve...So ask yourself: What is the rush and what am I chasing toward in my life?

-these accelerated programs are the worst things for kids; the people grow up socially very awkward and very very messed up. as if fitting in weren't hard enough, these kids' peers have nothing in common with them. they may get to start life a little earlier, but they lose their youth.

Well let us not forget that for people on a mission there is no such thing as getting started too early. Plus look at the fact that in our parents day (mine at least) you were no longer a kid at 18 you were expected to be out in the world doing "your thing" It's only our generaion (Gen X, I'm 32) and younger that prolongs youth. In some cultures you're an adult at much younger ages right?

So it just depends on how you look at it, just because this young lady didn't adjust well doesn't mean it is a bad thing overall.

Originally posted by megkudos:
<strong>Next semester at UMDNJ-SOM (osteopathic) there are two 14 year old twins starting as freshman. I have no clue how they pulled that one off!!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Don't you have to be 21 to practice medicine in this country? What are they gonna do for the 3 years between graduation and when they can legally be a resident? I'm guessing get a PhD?

Originally posted by megkudos:
<strong>Next semester at UMDNJ-SOM (osteopathic) there are two 14 year old twins starting as freshman. I have no clue how they pulled that one off!!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Hey, I'm going to be at UMDNJSOM in the fall (I am 30, however). Where did you find this out?

I graduated from undergrad with one such "genius" and socially awkward was an understatement in his case!

He was turned down by every medical school to which he applied, and I know UCSF actually cited the fact that he had to be 21 yo to be licensed. They encouraged him to reapply when he was 17, which he did, and was accepted. I used to hear stories about this socially inappropriate medically student on Ob-Gyn there and often wondered if it was him!

A couple years ago in the Seattle Times, I read about a ten year old at UC Davis. Towards the end of the article they talked about how precocious secondary and post-secondary education ran in the family b/c his sister was twelve and was starting med school. I can try and find something about it if I can finish my X-mas shopping. I should really get something for my parents. They showed a pic of the ten year old and he looked no younger than any other undergrad. In fact, he looked more stressed out than his classmates, whom none of them knew he was any younger than they were. Why rob a child of the freedom of adolescence?

I'm not sure if they were fourteen year old twins at UMDNJ-SOM, but...

Back in October, I got into school a bit early to do a bit of cramming before our 3 exams that day. I noticed three fairly young-looking people in suits and went over to say hello. They said that they were here to interview for the med school, and I wished them luck and wandered off to study.

A bit later, we were told that the interviewees were all between the ages of 14 and 16, that none of them had a GPA of less than 3.8 or an MCAT until 34, and that the administration was Very Excited about interviewing them. (The numbers may be slightly off, but I'm moderately sure of them.) I suppose that two of them might have been twins... I don't know. They _did_ all wear the same tie, though- red, white, and blue stripes. Very snazzy.

They seemed quite serious and mature... but I only spent about two minutes with them, so take that for what it's worth.

Bests,
Paige (who started med school at 21, but turned 22 a few months after... fairly standard, I'm afraid )

I apologize for all caps. It's not meant to be flaming, just emphasis. This is supposed to be a lively debate.
Also, none of my questions are sarcastic or for driving points... if anyone wants to philosiphise (bad spelling, i know) or discuss answers, i am very curious!

Lizard king....

I'm not going to continue to debate and argue with you if you are simply going to be extremely closed minded, stating your point, and not bothering to read what I write. You only seem read enough to find points to knock it down, and don't concede to the fact that there is any credibility to what I'm saying.

Instead, you are going to find any half baked excuses to support your view. your points have little basis. provide me statistics, stories, or any reason to believe your viewpoints have any credibility.

I've seen my story, and those of many of my friends. I've guided many other homeschooling families and others at the youth/high school programs at my old community college.

I'm only saying people should be open minded. THAT'S ALL. I'm saying, people should not throw tons of steryotypes on someone just because they are young and smart WHEN THEY NO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT THE PERSON.

granted, in medschool admissions/jobs/etc, they have a limit to what they can ask in the personal essay, etc and they need to judge you as a person. Thus, everything counts, and there are always going to be steryotypes.

But I am much more talking about PERSONAL interaction with people you meet on campus, internet, wherever. In personal interaction, there shouldn't be this a large set of steroytypes.

My brother (maybe around 12 or 13 then) met and becomes aquantinces with this guy and a social indian community dance. A few days later, he meets him on the college campus. The guy is totally shocked my brother is in college when he's barely a teenager and is like "what are you doing here?? you're gonna go brain-damaged!!" yeah, he used words to those effect.

Yes, age brings maturity. But, it is not pure age that brings the maturity as much as what I'd call "life experiences" (you know what i mean, tough situations, unusual experiences, poverty, etc, etc). But if people based maturity more on that than age, they would be making a more valid judgement. I told you some example of my friends story... and the point of that was that sometimes people can be quite young yet faced a lot of "experiences" in life than older people (if you don't get what I'm talking about read "Small Victories" or "And Still We Rise").

Whether you realize it or not, lizard king (and some others), you guys are making a lot of assumptions about me or people in my situation w.r.t. to age and academic achiements.

THIS IS WHAT REALLY GETS TO ME. PEOPLE DO NOT EVEN REALIZE THEY ARE MAKING ASSUMPTIONS AND THINK IT IS ABSOLUTELY NATURAL THAT SOME STUFF COME AS A CONSEQUENCE OF BEING YOUNG AND SMART. IN FACT THE REALITY FOR MANY OF US IS QUITE THE OPPOSITE!

Okay... at few things that have come up here (and they are very typical).

* Being young means and academically advanced means our parents pushed us through it. That it wasn't our choice. Would someone tell me why this is a pervasive assumption?

* Being young means we were deprived our our "childhood" or "adolesence". What exactly were we deprived of? Is it exactly something totally good? I have on the whole enjoyed my life and education, just as do others my age. granted academically were at a different level, and most of my friends are older than me. But what was I deprived of? and why does being deprived of this have a negative connotation in the society?

* Being young means that we rushed through it.
This is a STERYOTYPE! Steryotype as in NOT true!
There was never any rush for me to finish my schooling. To the contrary, my dad all told me to take it easy. I could take whatever classes interested me and didn't have to overload myself above what i could handle. I just started early.
None the less, this "steryotype" does hold true for many others. I don't see why they want to push themselves or what the rush is. But for me, there was quite the opposite of a rush.

For the rest of you,

I know that analogy with african americans isn't very strong. It wasn't really well thought out our anything, and probably there are many flaws. It just came to my head at the time I wrote that post.

Originally posted by locitamd:
<strong>I apologize to all if this post proves to be an exercise in rhetoric.

Sonya,
there is a significant flaw in your analogy between prejudice towards African-Americans and the young. For those who are not, can never know what it is to be black, whereas we all know what it is to have been young.

While my experience is not too far different from your own, I moved away from home at the age of 16 and, well, all I can say is that I know a whole lot less now than I did then.

Don't care what anyone says, I don't want to have a conversation about birth control with an 18 yo.

Though I could go on, I won't, and just wish you luck with your MCATs and medical school.</strong><hr></blockquote>
you raise a lot of good points! Especially the one about birth control. Of course there will be disadvantages of going into medicine at a young age. But, there are also a lot of advantages... considering how long the medical education process is. I can see not having to raise a family while in residency to be a big plus.

You have all been young, and you have all been med students etc. BUT YOU HAVE NOT ALL BEEN BOTH! you can not say that you can combine everything YOU know in YOUR experience as a teen and what you know about stress/pressure of college and combine them and conclude IN MY OPINION QUITE WEIRD FACTS like we're totally being pushed, and loosing our "child hood", and will go crazy, etc.! Listen, in many ways, my upbringing has been different from that of many other kids. NOT just in academics. I am NOT saying it is true for everyone in my situation though. But the majority of kids I have known in my situation are happier than without academic acceleration!

I have known many kids who have been forbidden from acceleration (by their parents, and more often beuracracy and money oriented public school systems). This has made the kids much more unhappy/stressed than

Of couse we all are always growing. Between ages of 14 to 20, we are growing and learning about life the most. And it will always improve us and add maturity, strength, and a lot more. I know how much I have grown since I was 13.

and that's why i say the stuff about life experience. there are events in my life that have happened that have changed me and been difficult to get through, and led to maturity.

Ofcourse maturity helps. What is so special about having it right before you enter medschool or college, or whatever? As different stuff happen if you life, you will gain maturity.

Originally posted by LizardKing:
<strong>It's not wise to toss racism around as an analogy unless you know, or have experienced, what you're talking about.
...
For example, there tends to be the attitude with young, smart individuals like yourself, Sonya, that you think you know everything you can know before you go to med school.

...

All I can say is no matter how mature you think you are, the mere fact that you claim to be so mature is immature in and of itself. No one is mature enough, and we all have stuff to improve...So ask yourself: What is the rush and what am I chasing toward in my life?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Okay... I'll forget the african american analogy... whatever... if i made it seem like that was an important supporting point for my discussion, I must have been unclear.

WHEN THE HECK DID I SAY THAT I KNOW EVERYTHING I CAN BEFORE MEDSCHOOL? (anwer that question! and that is flaming, not emphasis) If I did then I didn't mean to. If you're just saying people who are young tend to think they do (in general)... you need to honestley ask yourself how many people do you know (and how well do you know theam) who are young and academically advanced? if you feel your knowledge about people in my situation has reasonable basis, then you are free to have that opinion. If you are making that up from your guesses or superficial judgement of people, or knowlege of just one of your friends, then you need to realize you are just setting accusations.

"The fact that i claim to be mature is immature in itself" WHAT??????????? okay.... that is (IMHO, not trying to be rude) a stupid enough statement to discredit most any and everything else you've written! (i'm not saying you're stupid, just that was a real stupid argument).

THAT EXACTLY PROVES MY POINT!! first of all, perhaps I was unclear. I'm not saying I am as mature as someone 30 yrs old. A big point I made was that some really young people can be quite mature, while some grownups can be quite immature, and age is often not a good quantitative measure of maturity. That just shows that you barely get to know these kids. you have some pre conceived ideas in your head made up mostly by your ignorance and you are going to take one sentence they say and judge ALL kids like that based one little experience with one. One CONTORTED little experience with one where you are not even bothering to understand that person.

I'll tell you why I think I'm more mature than many kids my age. it has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with knowledge. Constantly i am interacting with others much older, and I adapt to be more like them in some ways. of course, in many ways I'm still 17.

okay....
I have made my points and had a great time debating. But really, I've probably most of what I have to say, are re-iterated it. over and over. Read what I have to say and think, and decide as you please (basically, i'm tired of debating considering my interests have ventured away from SDN)

Please look at what I think are typical steryotypes that people make without even realize they are making(OUTSIDE of the issue of maturity, the things with *). I am not trying to just say those for debate or trying to convince you that we are not pressured or whatever. I honestley believe those but have seen those steryotypes absolutely everywhere in my life. If I convince you of those facts, i'm happy, and my jobs done here.

okay.... so whatever I'm missing out in child hood, it'll be over for good in 6 days (I turn 18 ). So then, everything i miss out from then will be what I miss out in "adulthood".

oh yeah... those links in my previous post were stories of other "genius kids".

Here's request for all of you... especially those who think negative of persuing an educational path like it did. List all you steryotypes/beliefs/reasons why its bad for us to go to medschool young. give brutal, blunt, first impression of someone that young in medicine. (let me know it's just your impression and feeling though, or I'll attack the statement as debate ). This is just for me to understand peoples perspectives on it. (so... you know... when it comes to medschool essays/interviews i will understand peoples reactions and this is always interesting). And I take nothing personally... i've learned not to.

I'm almost scared to agree with many of the folks on here for fear of having a novel written again that analyzed every micro-point of mine. How about you just cool out? As you say, people should read each other's opinions, NOT cram them down each other's throats. Chill....--Trek

wow. I think Trek's right. But let me say this, I am a current applicant at 19, and though one interviewer raised doubts over my maturity, others (4 so far) didn't seem to be bothered by it. There's no one way to determine how mature one is to behave as a physician etc.....i guess committees have to rely on their instincts and that of the interviewer(s).
I didn't read 90% of the thesis Sonya wrote, so this post may seem a bit awkward. Anyway, my $0.01.

When I was 16 I was mature. When I turned 25 I was definitely mature. When I was 30 I had no doubt I was mature. When I became 35 I was even more mature! Now I am 40 and I think I finally have this mature thing down pat!

Sonya, I have no doubt that you are probably more mature then others your age. Just for a kick though......keep a copy of your responses to these posts....put it away somewhere. Twenty years from now take it out and read it. I have a feeling you might get a little chuckle out of reading them.

I'm with you marleybfour. One of the great things about being older is that although we missed the hip 60's, we remember the 70's and lived through the big 80's - as adults. Not a particularly envious feat, however, the 80's nostalgia is worth it!

Ok, so to add to this whole mess...i got something to say. I **believe** that students in India (plus some countries in the middle east) actually get to apply and get into med school at 18...become docs at 22...etc etc. I think this age is an approximate, I want to say 16 but I have a feel that 18 is the right age. Somebody could look into this for me.

I have tons of friends in India, of my age, who are already doctors now. Just wanted to mention that perhaps, age is/is not a relevant thing depending on the society you are living in, and the social responsibilities inherent to it. I know boys in India that take care of their families at 19...yes, they are the main bread winner, with "executive level" jobs etc. Does that mean that **all** of them are like baby geniuses? I think not! If I was brought up there, I would be having the same responsibilities as them and doing what they do, and I consider myself only average. Hence, age/maturity is something dependant on the society you are living in. And in America, where so many opportunities galore, we shouldn't be surprised to see others taking advantage of it.

Originally posted by A. Caveman:
<strong>Sonya, you have TOO much time on your hands. Your posts are RIDICULOUSLY longwinded. chillzit out!!
</strong><hr></blockquote>

yeah... LOL I know.

either i have too much time or i get side tracked too easy. (the latter is probably true). or more likely, it's something i should express all my opinions about and dump in one of my webpages.
I wont attack you much if you say it's just your opinion, and don't make any absolute statements.

About SDN

We are a non-profit academic community founded in 1999. Our mission: help students become doctors.

Join thousands of fellow college students, health professional students and practicing doctors from across the United States and Canada. Membership is always free, anonymous, and member information is never sold or shared with other organizations.

Student Resources

Donate Today!

As part of our mission, we ensure our student resources are always provided for free or at cost. In addition to our free forums and data-driven resources, we also archive excellent online services, blogs, and publish multiple books for our community.

Make a tax-deductible donation and receive an immediate forums account upgrade!