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Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'

Saber Prime wrote:According to the dialog on the show Digimon's divolution is controlled by EMOTION not his fist. Several characters on the show have been trying to teach him NOT to use his fist but he doesn't listen. So no he does NOT need to punch digimon to get Augumon to Digivolve, Augumon's digivolve is triggered by Marcus' emotions not his punching other digimon like a freaking idiot.

Close, but, in this series, digivolution is actually activated by the use of the Digisoul (D.N.A. Charge in the dub), whcih itself is human emotion manifested intoa state of power. While most of the characters are capable of summoning their Digisouls at will, Marcus is a different case. For some reason, he is required to punch out the digimon he is fighting in order to evoke his Digisoul, which then grants Agumon his digivolution ability. Agumon can't digivolve with out the Digisoul, and Marcus can't summon it without punching out the enemy. But after it's summoned, as long as he holds that emotion he was feeling when he delivered the punch, the Digisoul will remain summoned in oreder for him to charge it.

For example, in episode 2, Marcus tries to digivolve Agumon without punching the enemy, but his Digisoul won't activate for some reason. It is not until after he punches the monster that the Digisoul is summoned, charged, then Agumon digivolves.

None of the characters were telling Marcus to quit using his fists to fight with. It may have sounded like that in a way, but they were really telling him to use more than his fists, meaning his heart as well.

Saber Prime wrote:It's verry clear Marcus doesn't punch Digimon to trigger the Evolution for Augumon, he actully thinks he can hurt them by punching them. He allways acts really surprised when his punch has absolutly no effect on them and as far as he knows getting Augumon to Digivolve is just some weird side effect. He doesn't know how it's really triggered even though everyone does and has told him several times how it works.

When did any of that happen? The only times Marcus was surprised by the reaction he got after punching out a digimon were in episode 1, when he fist summoned his Digisoul and didn't have a clue as to what this orange thing on his hand was, and in episode 3, when he realized he couldn't punch the DemiMeramon because their bodies weren't dense enough.

And how do you figure that he thinks Agumon digivolving is a side effect? Many times has he acknowledged that the Digisoul he gets from punching the digimon is what enables Agumon to digivolve. Otherwise, he wouldn't bother to go through that whole "Digisoul, Charge!" sequence.

And he knows about the whole emotion thing. But like I said he needs to connect a punch to the enemy for some reason in order for his Digisoul to work. I'll admit there were some exceptions to this, but they can be explained. Like, in episode 13, he didn't need to punch to make GeoGreymon become RizeGreymon, but he had previously given a punch to make Agumon become GeoGreymon, and may have kept that emotion going the whole time, and then charged it up to a Digisoul at its full potential. Also, in episode 46, he doen't puch to summon the Digisoul at all, but due to the situation, his emotions must've gone off the acale enough to summon a Digisoul without needing a punch. After all, he was being asked/forced to kill his own father. If I were asked to murder my dad, I'd be feeling pretty emotional too.

Saber Prime wrote:I've seen like 3 episodes of Digimon Data Squad and from the 3 episodes, Poncholeomon who is apperently Marcus' father has told him that emotion triggers the Digimon's evolution. The guy who runs DATS told him about the emotion thing. Hell even some random old man who doesn't even have a digimon knows how it works. Marcus seems to be the only character on the show who has no idea how to controll his digimon's evolution and he's definatly the only character who trys to fight digimon himself. He's the only character EVER who trys to fight digimon by himself.

Well, there's your problem. Three episodes a 48-episode series does not make.

That "random old man" is Homer Yushima, the Commander-General of DATS. And he does so have a partner: Kamemon. He's used him to fight several times in the series.

And I'm not gonna repeat what I said about Marcus' Digisoul, but I will add that his is called the burning Digisoul of Anger, and it would seem that anger is the what one usually feels when he/she gives out a violent punch. Since its easy to feel angry when punching, that's probably why Marcus punches to summon his Digisoul. But that's just what I figure.

And I'm glad he's actually trying to fight back. At leastr he's not being lazy or a coward like some of those guys from the past series. Where they go run and take cover while the digimon does all the work. At least he's not like a cheerleader who jsut stands off to the side ALL THE TIME and doen't get his hands dirty.

Yes, there were some human characters that did some fighting in the past series, but they weren't as prominent as Marcus. The Tamers did help a bit with teir modify cards, and did do some fighting when they Biomerged. And the Frontier DDs fought in their digimon forms. But none of the Tamers or the S4 DDs fought as regular humans like Marcus. Well, Koji did fight like that, but only once. After he got his spirit, never again did he fight as a human.

Saber Prime wrote:He actully thinks he doesn't need Augumon, he can just fight on his own.

Watch episode 6. He gets in an argument with Agumon, thay split, he actually tries to fight by himself, he realizes he can't, regrets ditching Agumon, Agumon comes back, they make up, and then they team up once again to win the fight. Marcus is well aware that he needs Agumon just as much as Agumon needs him. You can't really have one without the other.

Saber Prime wrote:You seem to like to ignore alot of dialog don't you? I know more about Marcus after just 3 episodes than you seem to. He is just a hot headed idiot who doesn't listen and everyone else on the show know how to control Digimon evolution, for Marcus, he can't control it because he can't control his emotions and thinks every problem is solved by his fist.

Maybe it would help if you told me which three episodes you saw, so you can back your claims better, instead of basing it solely on first impressions and opinions.

Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'

I don't know the names of the episodes but I can give you a basic summary of each episode.

In one episode, Poncholeomon was acting as a senca (spelling) and trying to teach the 3 main characters how to better control their emotions for a stronger digicharge. Their Digimon had to wait outside and they were being attacked by 3 other kids who seem to spirit digivolve. The trainers inside were unable to help till they could each activate their digicharge. The other two kids managed to get by fairly quick. Marcus took forever to get his digicharge activated and he did it WITHOUT PUNCHING for the first and probly only time ever. So again I say he does not need to punch digimon to activate it.

All three episodes I've seen he's run up and punched digimon then actully said something exsclaiming his surprise that his punch had no effect and then he calls Augumon to go in.

You really don't pay attention to the dialog do you? He does this every time, he's not surprised that his fist is glowing but he is surprised that he can't harm whatever digimon he's punching.

Pluse he exsclaims "it's fighting time" every time he charges in on a digimon and even after Augumon digivolves he continues to try and "help" while the others sit back knowing they can't do anything to help, Marcus runs in like an idiot trying to actully fight them.

Another episode I saw there was some guy's ugly face in a digimon's body which was scarry beyond all reason, not the digimon, just the dudes face sticking out of it. Anyway Marcus ran at this guy and proceeded to throw punches at this guy long after Augumon had allready digivolved. And in this case even the Digimon weren't hurting him but Marcus still thought he could.

The other episode was Kristy's birthday. I will say that is Marcus' one redeeming quality, at least he's a good brother. Still an idiot though.

All the leader type characters in each series have been a little hot headed but non of the others have been nearly as bad as Marcus.

Saber Prime wrote:I don't know the names of the episodes but I can give you a basic summary of each episode.

In one episode, Poncholeomon was acting as a senca (spelling) and trying to teach the 3 main characters how to better control their emotions for a stronger digicharge. Their Digimon had to wait outside and they were being attacked by 3 other kids who seem to spirit digivolve. The trainers inside were unable to help till they could each activate their digicharge. The other two kids managed to get by fairly quick. Marcus took forever to get his digicharge activated and he did it WITHOUT PUNCHING for the first and probly only time ever. So again I say he does not need to punch digimon to activate it.

All three episodes I've seen he's run up and punched digimon then actully said something exsclaiming his surprise that his punch had no effect and then he calls Augumon to go in.

You really don't pay attention to the dialog do you? He does this every time, he's not surprised that his fist is glowing but he is surprised that he can't harm whatever digimon he's punching.

Pluse he exsclaims "it's fighting time" every time he charges in on a digimon and even after Augumon digivolves he continues to try and "help" while the others sit back knowing they can't do anything to help, Marcus runs in like an idiot trying to actully fight them.

Another episode I saw there was some guy's ugly face in a digimon's body which was scarry beyond all reason, not the digimon, just the dudes face sticking out of it. Anyway Marcus ran at this guy and proceeded to throw punches at this guy long after Augumon had allready digivolved. And in this case even the Digimon weren't hurting him but Marcus still thought he could.

The other episode was Kristy's birthday. I will say that is Marcus' one redeeming quality, at least he's a good brother. Still an idiot though.

All the leader type characters in each series have been a little hot headed but non of the others have been nearly as bad as Marcus.

Not your best argument having only seen three epsiodes.

When he and the others were training with BanchoLeomon, his digisoul did burst out of him, but he didn't activate it, he merely "concentrated" it. Then he unleashed it to blow up the building and get rid of the force field. It wasn't until he punched BioThunderbirdmon that it was actually activated.

And the others don't get there's working until after Marcus does. And even after Marcus got it, they still didn't understand it. They had to have it explained to them even more before they got it. Marcus got it without the extra explanation.

Now that I know which episodes you've seen, I'm looking at the times when Marcus punches the enemy in each episode and I still don't see how he reacts surprised when he punches them.

1. Birthday episode - he doesn't fight in this one, so it can't be counted.

2. Training episode - When he punches BioThunderbirdmon, we can't see his face. So there's no way to tell how he reacts. Plus the second after he punches him, he lands on the ground (still no face visible), and yells out "Agumon!" He rushes to Agumon's side, apologizes for taking so long, and asks if Agumon is ready to fight. There's no surprised reaction here.

3. Ugly-guy's-face-in-body episode - When he and Agumon jump off the building and give Belphemon a punch, he jumps back, is smiling, asks Agumon if he's alright, then gives him the go to digivolve. He's not surprised here yet. But notice that immediately after this punch that the all-powerful, almighty, Great Demon Lord Belphemon FALLS OVER! That punch must've had some effect on him. Later, after ShineGreymon Mode Changes into his Burst Mode, Marcus only punched Kurata ONCE. One punch. No more. Just one. In fact, that's the only punch he's ever given Kurata in the whole series, and he was dying to do so for a long time (Kurata deserved it anyway, he's a modern Adolf Hitler). Anyways, after that punch, he just stands there watching Belphemon disintegrate with a neutral look on his face, showing ZERO signs of being surprised. He is surprised, however, to see Kurata having one more trick up his sleeve, but he's not surprised that he didn't hurt him. In fact, that punch was the final blow to Belphemon, resulting in his defeat.

Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'

Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'

People wrote:zombybunnie: N_V scares me...I no longer wish that my pants transformed Burn:Anyone notice how much of a boring party pooper N_V is? He doesn't join in the fun, he's spent the last few years with dodgy builds feeding XP to the Autobots, and he sure as heck doesn't spam. disruptor96: I forgot how insane you were.

Name_Violation wrote:so which was the series where the kids became digimon. i've watched most of it hoping it would get better, but it never did

now i think it was the first digimon gam for ps or ps2 where the evolutions were ramdom? wtf?

still like the franchise as a whole, but some of its hard to sit threw.

That would be Frontier, A.K.A. Season 4.

No digivolution is set in stone. They've always brnached out in different ways before. It's only been the animes that's had them digivolve in one preferred evolutionary line, but that was just to make it easier for the people making the show, and for the viewers to better keep track of who could become what.

Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'

People wrote:zombybunnie: N_V scares me...I no longer wish that my pants transformed Burn:Anyone notice how much of a boring party pooper N_V is? He doesn't join in the fun, he's spent the last few years with dodgy builds feeding XP to the Autobots, and he sure as heck doesn't spam. disruptor96: I forgot how insane you were.

Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'

People wrote:zombybunnie: N_V scares me...I no longer wish that my pants transformed Burn:Anyone notice how much of a boring party pooper N_V is? He doesn't join in the fun, he's spent the last few years with dodgy builds feeding XP to the Autobots, and he sure as heck doesn't spam. disruptor96: I forgot how insane you were.

Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'

People wrote:zombybunnie: N_V scares me...I no longer wish that my pants transformed Burn:Anyone notice how much of a boring party pooper N_V is? He doesn't join in the fun, he's spent the last few years with dodgy builds feeding XP to the Autobots, and he sure as heck doesn't spam. disruptor96: I forgot how insane you were.

Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'

whatever. i haven't played that game in hella long and screwed of my memory over the years, my point is there was no "evolution tree" per se. i would have assumed it would have followed the show, but they evolved into "random" monsters. it was all funky

People wrote:zombybunnie: N_V scares me...I no longer wish that my pants transformed Burn:Anyone notice how much of a boring party pooper N_V is? He doesn't join in the fun, he's spent the last few years with dodgy builds feeding XP to the Autobots, and he sure as heck doesn't spam. disruptor96: I forgot how insane you were.

Name_Violation wrote:whatever. i haven't played that game in hella long and screwed of my memory over the years, my point is there was no "evolution tree" per se. i would have assumed it would have followed the show, but they evolved into "random" monsters. it was all funky

Well, digivolution is determined by the specific conditions and requirements of a digimon in order to digivolve.

Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'

Name_Violation wrote:whatever. i haven't played that game in hella long and screwed of my memory over the years, my point is there was no "evolution tree" per se. i would have assumed it would have followed the show, but they evolved into "random" monsters. it was all funky

Well, digivolution is determined by the specific conditions and requirements of a digimon in order to digivolve.

Too bad they don't tell you the requirements in the game...do they? Anyway it would've made World Championship much easier.

Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'

Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'

Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'

Coughler wrote:Dude i loved season 2 of that show. And i also liked Black War Greymon such a cool bad ass character, was kinda bummed how he was killed off.

Yeah, I liked Zero Two as well, but its English dub was overloaded to with lame jokes and dumbed-down dialogue (moreso that Adventure, Tamers, Frontier, and defintely more than Savers). I wish I could see the original version. I know that it's the only one of the five series that has been officially subtitled, but it cost money to watch each episode. Money that I can't pay for 50 episodes. I guess I'll have to check araound the Net and see if anybody who's bought the episodes has put them online.

Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'