He was the architech behind Guida's running man fight against Maynard also condits hit and run against Diaz(although not to bad of fight) and is mainly responsable for GSP's transformation into the safety first fighter he has turned into.

Not my words, but Dana cant be happy after Clay v Grey and Diaz v Condit and now having to cancel a PPV. **** costs money

I still don't get why people that are not named Diaz are *****ing for the Condit fight. Surely Condit shouldn't have just stood in front of Diaz until he got knocked out. This is MMA, it isn't a 'who has the better chin' contest.

I still don't get why people that are not named Diaz are *****ing for the Condit fight. Surely Condit shouldn't have just stood in front of Diaz until he got knocked out. This is MMA, it isn't a 'who has the better chin' contest.

Well, it all boils down to intentions. The most decisive manner of victory is finishing your opponent inside the distance. If you go into a fight trying to finish your opponent and time happens to run out, that is one thing. Going into the fight thinking it is going to go the distance, and fighting to win by not losing is another.

Look at why this sport developed. The sport developed mainly out of trying to prove the best discipline for self defense. This best way to demonstrate this was in a fight with limited rules(no eye gouging, biting, or throat strikes) and no time limits. The winner had to finish the opponent. BJJ ultimately proved to be the superior fighting style.

Fights had to become timed for television purposes. Promoters purchase blocks of air time for events, and there is no way to ensure an event ends on time without time limits. This is why a scoring method became necessary.

Today, mma is not as much about proving the better style. However, it is about proving who the best fighter is. This should come down to finishing opponents. I realize it is impossible for a fighter to win inside the distance every time out, but they should still try. Condit had no intentions of finishing Diaz. Condit was fighting for a points victory. Victory by decision is not what mma is about. Fighting for the finish is what mma is about.

Well, it all boils down to intentions. The most decisive manner of victory is finishing your opponent inside the distance. If you go into a fight trying to finish your opponent and time happens to run out, that is one thing. Going into the fight thinking it is going to go the distance, and fighting to win by not losing is another.

Look at why this sport developed. The sport developed mainly out of trying to prove the best discipline for self defense. This best way to demonstrate this was in a fight with limited rules(no eye gouging, biting, or throat strikes) and no time limits. The winner had to finish the opponent. BJJ ultimately proved to be the superior fighting style.

Condit had no intentions of finishing Diaz. Condit was fighting for a points victory. Victory by decision is not what mma is about. Fighting for the finish is what mma is about.

Well, it all boils down to intentions. The most decisive manner of victory is finishing your opponent inside the distance. If you go into a fight trying to finish your opponent and time happens to run out, that is one thing. Going into the fight thinking it is going to go the distance, and fighting to win by not losing is another.

Look at why this sport developed. The sport developed mainly out of trying to prove the best discipline for self defense. This best way to demonstrate this was in a fight with limited rules(no eye gouging, biting, or throat strikes) and no time limits. The winner had to finish the opponent. BJJ ultimately proved to be the superior fighting style.

Fights had to become timed for television purposes. Promoters purchase blocks of air time for events, and there is no way to ensure an event ends on time without time limits. This is why a scoring method became necessary.

Today, mma is not as much about proving the better style. However, it is about proving who the best fighter is. This should come down to finishing opponents. I realize it is impossible for a fighter to win inside the distance every time out, but they should still try. Condit had no intentions of finishing Diaz. Condit was fighting for a points victory. Victory by decision is not what mma is about. Fighting for the finish is what mma is about.

All this is opinion. Yea, I like it too when fighters try to finish fights, but I am not going to condemn a fighter if he doesn't go for the finish, when it is clear that he's minimizing his chances of winning if he goes for it. I am not sure that there is any fighter alive right now that could finish Nick Diaz. So having that in mind, I can't accuse Condit of 'fighting safety first' or whatever. He did what he had to do to win vs a tough as nails fighter with an incredible chin.

Fighting to win by not losing? Wtf does that mean? If you were a HW boxer and you had to fight Oliver McCall, would you try to knock him the **** out, or try to outscore him? Do you think that people should give you **** if you won a pts victory? Come on now. Every fight is different. And we're talking about a guy (Condit) who has 26 finishes out of his 28 wins.

All this is opinion. Yea, I like it too when fighters try to finish fights, but I am not going to condemn a fighter if he doesn't go for the finish, when it is clear that he's minimizing his chances of winning if he goes for it. I am not sure that there is any fighter alive right now that could finish Nick Diaz. So having that in mind, I can't accuse Condit of 'fighting safety first' or whatever. He did what he had to do to win vs a tough as nails fighter with an incredible chin.

Fighting to win by not losing? Wtf does that mean? If you were a HW boxer and you had to fight Oliver McCall, would you try to knock him the **** out, or try to outscore him? Do you think that people should give you **** if you won a pts victory? Come on now. Every fight is different. And we're talking about a guy (Condit) who has 26 finishes out of his 28 wins.

You seem to be suggesting that I'm wanting someone to just wage in, and go shot for shot until someone gets knocked out. That is not what I am advocating. I will repeat:

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Well, it all boils down to intentions. The most decisive manner of victory is finishing your opponent inside the distance. If you go into a fight trying to finish your opponent and time happens to run out, that is one thing. Going into the fight thinking it is going to go the distance, and fighting to win by not losing is another.

This is an mma thread, but you bring up boxing and Oliver McCall. If I were fighting Oliver McCall, I would try to choke him out. **** going for the knock out, but you can't do that in boxing. Anyway, I always liked boxing. It was 1989 when I began to follow the sport seriously. It didn't take me long to find out who Pernell Whitaker was. Whitaker became my favorite fighter.

Pernell won more fights by decision than he did by knock out, but he still followed the rule that I hold mma fighters by. Whitaker didn't hit with concussive power. Still, Whitaker beat people up. Whitaker had a great jab, a consistent body attack, good counters, and good combinations.

Condit may have 26 of 28 wins inside the distance, but he "fought" Diaz as though he were playing tag. Pernell would have been ashamed of Condit's effort. There was no run and gun, it was just run and run.

You may like watching people win using a gimmick, but I don't. What I saw is a man that would have been hunted down if the bout were held without a time limit.

Condit may have 26 of 28 wins inside the distance, but he "fought" Diaz as though he were playing tag. Pernell would have been ashamed of Condit's effort. There was no run and gun, it was just run and run.

Run and run, and outland your opponent, and use a greater variety of strikes, and land the harder shots, and make him look like a one-dimensional clueless fool.