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Date: Friday, Aug 04, 1995 10.41.22
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I'm afraid I'm taking this opportunity to say what many others have said but
seemingly with little impact on and certainly no response from our Betty. If
you wish to enter into a scientific debate then you need to try and be a
little scientific about it.
1/ anecdotal evidence is pretty meaningless to those trained to evaluate on
the basis of statistics and to always consider as many variables as possible
that might contribute to or explain a given set of data or outcomes. Here's
a great example:
In article: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950804023317.10184K-100000 at noel.pd.org> Betty
> And John I was in emergency medicine - I worked with diabetics also!....
and another...
> There are so many diabetics going blind because of aspartame and its just
> criminal.
You worked with diabetics and so did John - yours went blind and his didn't.
They both used nutrasweet containing products. So now what? A session of
"I'm right and you're wrong"? The fact here, and with other anecdotes you
use, is that you do not consider any other possible causes of pathology - of
which there are probably thousands. What were the DIFFERENCES between these
groups that might make one develop optic neuropathies and the other not,
given that their aspartame intake may have been similar? I don't think
anyone on this newsgroup is either persuaded by, or interested in, these
case reports.
2/ Stop citing publications as though anything printed is gospel. Just
because Dr. Authority wrote it down - don't make it true. Plenty of
rubbish finds it's way into print. Sure, those reports finding nutrasweet
safe might ultimately be subject to the same criticism - time will tell.
> > :I mentioned that menthanol is a narcotic. John Vogel
> > : made this comment that it wasn't. I then came back and gave the
> > : reference which is:
> > : Louis, R.J. Sax's Dangerous Properties of Industrial Materials,
> > : Eighth Edition, New York, Van Nostrand Reinhold (1992) pp.2251-2252.
> > You still haven't made any effort to back up your single reference.
3/ For crying out loud please cut the hysteria!! How can we take this debate
seriously (and it would be nice) when things like this...
> And John if you want to fight for this poison so much go right on and
> drink it. I'm only here to warn the ones who want to maintain good
> health without the complication of a chemical poison!
......turn up on our screens. John wasn't "fighting" for anything. He was
just commenting on the validity of some of your evidence. This type of
hysterical response does not help your case.
Most people (as has been pointed out ad nauseum) are aware of alcohol's
toxic properties as well as its addictive nature. Folk the world over set
themselves up for heart disease and lung cancer with their little
indulgences. IF aspartame is source of self-damage (and that's a big IF)
then it has many others to line up with. If we campaigned to get rid of all
of them - we'd have very little left to eat and indulge in.
I know this has all been said before, but can't you try and tailor your
writing style for the newsgroup and at least make yourself seem a little
more credible. Then perhaps we can all stop going round in circles,
Alisa