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Hold on. So you basically want all the interesting Pokemon with diverse personalities to belong to the other characters, not Ash? Why is that? Ash should be able to have quirky Pokemon too. And why is Oshawott suddenly integral to Ash becoming a Pokemon Master? Like really, that makes no sense to me. I doubt even Pikachu is that important.

Why must the anime separate Pokémon between being either a good decent, battler, OR a Pokémon with personality?

And since when does Ash, need a Pokémon that's solely personality?

Originally Posted by weavile606

last I checked, wild battles were official battles. -_-
and idk who said that the point of keeping them unevolved is to show that they're strong without evolving. because it's actually just for marketing.

Please...unless it's a 600 BST Pokémon, or a fully evolved Pokémon, no one cares if a trained Pokémon can beat a wild Pokémon.

Please...unless it's a 600 BST Pokémon, or a fully evolved Pokémon, no one cares if a trained Pokémon can beat a wild Pokémon.

I can beat millions of wild Pokémon in-game.

Trained Pokémon on Wifi.....not even 1%.

I get what you're saying. but the anime isn't the games. in fact, wild Pokemon have been portrayed as strong and it's been said somewhere that when a Pokemon is captured, it is unable to use it's full strength. so the anime is quite contrary to the games where we can make a rape train out of a million audinos for tons of experience. do you recall that wild dragonite? oh that's right. it belongs to iris now. and that one wild snivy? it's ash's now and she was still a beast when she was wild, maybe even more so than she is now. so my point is that wild battles do count. it's not really an opinion, it's just that you don't like oshawott. and I'm being unbiased here.

I get what you're saying. but the anime isn't the games. in fact, wild Pokemon have been portrayed as strong and it's been said somewhere that when a Pokemon is captured, it is unable to use it's full strength. so the anime is quite contrary to the games where we can make a rape train out of a million audinos for tons of experience. do you recall that wild dragonite? oh that's right. it belongs to iris now. and that one wild snivy? it's ash's now and she was still a beast when she was wild, maybe even more so than she is now. so my point is that wild battles do count. it's not really an opinion, it's just that you don't like oshawott. and I'm being unbiased here.

No, what I don't like is Oshawott only being treated as a cute marketable Pokémon who is one of Ash's weakest Pokémon and it did jack in the league especially when it was deprived of evolution just to satisfy little children who...no okay I'm not going there, the point is, if a Pokémon is only going to be used for marketing in the cute department, it doesn't need to be with Ash period.

Marketing is probably what cost Ash the league, because if this was Sinnoh everything except maybe Scraggy would be evolved.

No, what I don't like is Oshawott only being treated as a cute marketable Pokémon who is one of Ash's weakest Pokémon and it did jack in the league especially when it was deprived of evolution just to satisfy little children who...no okay I'm not going there, the point is, if a Pokémon is only going to be used for marketing in the cute department, it doesn't need to be with Ash period.

Marketing is probably what cost Ash the league, because if this was Sinnoh everything except maybe Scraggy would be evolved.

if this was sinnoh, everything except oshawott would have evolved. however, oshawott probably would be that bad *** you want him to be. and don't get me wrong, I love oshawott as a Pokemon, and I also wish he was more of a battler but I was simply staying why he's I evolved. because it wasn't for the reasons you were stating.

No, what I don't like is Oshawott only being treated as a cute marketable Pokémon who is one of Ash's weakest Pokémon and it did jack in the league especially when it was deprived of evolution just to satisfy little children who...no okay I'm not going there, the point is, if a Pokémon is only going to be used for marketing in the cute department, it doesn't need to be with Ash period.

Marketing is probably what cost Ash the league, because if this was Sinnoh everything except maybe Scraggy would be evolved.

So in the end 5 of the 10 Pokemon got shafted this league and the "main 3" basically took almost all the wins (leaving 1 for Scraggy and a tie for Palpitoad).
Kotetsu was especially a joke and insulting match. Pikachu and Pignite (the 2 least deserving) took all the wins, the other 4 were fallguys and he was cheated out of a win because Kotetsu forgot Pokemon nr 6.

That just begs to ask why not all trainers went through an institution like that. It's clear we've seen PLENTY of ten year-olds forgetting the...

Okay, Trip, say it.

Trip: Basics.

Yeah, that's right.

Ash clearly didn't go to a Trainer School and even if he had, he clearly wasn't a model student. Heck, May and Dawn are the worst offender in this case. I know they're going for the "know just as much as the new viewers do" angle with the main male and female leads (save for Iris and Misty) but it raises a lot of questions.

No, what I don't like is Oshawott only being treated as a cute marketable Pokémon who is one of Ash's weakest Pokémon and it did jack in the league especially when it was deprived of evolution just to satisfy little children who...no okay I'm not going there, the point is, if a Pokémon is only going to be used for marketing in the cute department, it doesn't need to be with Ash period.

Marketing is probably what cost Ash the league, because if this was Sinnoh everything except maybe Scraggy would be evolved.

No, what I don't like is Oshawott only being treated as a cute marketable Pokémon who is one of Ash's weakest Pokémon and it did jack in the league especially when it was deprived of evolution just to satisfy little children who...no okay I'm not going there, the point is, if a Pokémon is only going to be used for marketing in the cute department, it doesn't need to be with Ash period.

Marketing is probably what cost Ash the league, because if this was Sinnoh everything except maybe Scraggy would be evolved.

Just like Gible and Buizel evolved? the marketability was always a factor.

I can see what dman is talking about. Oshawott feels like it's "just there" kinda similar to Totodile.

Yeah, that's what I feel too. At the beginning he was great and showed battling capacities and development, but now he's simply used as a simple marketing tool. That's quite sad, because he has the potential to be a great battler.

Sure, winning against Cheren will redeem him a bit, but I can't help but feel that Oshawott has been screwed up a bit too much. Hopefully after this battle he will get some more, during Episode N.

I can see what dman is talking about. Oshawott feels like it's "just there" kinda similar to Totodile.

Taidow I respect your opinion, but I cannot understand how Oshawott feels like he's "just there" when he's one of the most active Pokemon Ash has ever had. Totodile did literally nothing in Johto until the Whirl Cup, and he sort of flopped there. You cannot compare Oshawott to him at all because at least Oshawott gets to do things every five episodes or so.

Taidow I respect your opinion, but I cannot understand how Oshawott feels like he's "just there" when he's one of the most active Pokemon Ash has ever had. Totodile did literally nothing in Johto until the Whirl Cup, and he sort of flopped there. You cannot compare Oshawott to him at all because at least Oshawott gets to do things every five episodes or so.

He's active but even he does appear usually it's to do nothing of importance. That's why he feels like just there to be there. His last official win was vs Clay. Personally I don't count fending off against wild pokemon such as Onix as they technically didn't faint but Oshawott did if I recall correctly when he tried to Aqua Jet them. His last official battle was vs Cameron and he lost there.

Oshawott did nothing of importance in BWS2 at all. the other pokemon at least got wins.

He's active but even he does appear usually it's to do nothing of importance. That's why he feels like just there to be there. His last official win was vs Clay. Personally I don't count fending off against wild pokemon such as Onix as they technically didn't faint but Oshawott did if I recall correctly when he tried to Aqua Jet them. His last official battle was vs Cameron and he lost there.

Oshawott did nothing of importance in BWS2 at all. the other pokemon at least got wins.

Why does Palpitoad's draw with Zebstrika count as "something"? It technically didn't win. Oh and I find it ironic that Palpitoad went missing for like nine months, yet it's still considered to be important. Like, how can a Pokemon that was missing-in-action for almost a year be more integral to the plot than a Pokemon like Oshawott, who at least participated in several plot points? He formed a rivalry with Piplup that lasted for about as long as Dawn was in the cast, plus he formed a friendship with a Legendary Pokemon. That was character development for him, which should count more than victories.