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Baseball. Baseball. And then a bit more baseball.Tue, 03 Mar 2015 20:47:18 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: fish751http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/07/report-the-phillies-didnt-mean-to-include-domingo-santana-in-the-hunter-pence-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-717542
Sat, 07 Jun 2014 21:50:17 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=524553#comment-717542Unfortunately, Nothing surprises me anymore with this regime. And the sad thing is they just had another draft. Can’t wait until we get a big league scouting department.
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Sat, 07 Jun 2014 20:06:01 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=524553#comment-717498Chris Antonetti?
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Sat, 07 Jun 2014 19:36:16 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=524553#comment-717479It sounds like Obama was involved in these negotiations for the phillies.
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Sat, 07 Jun 2014 19:16:36 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=524553#comment-717468I thought Arizona had claims on all GITMO detainees since they’re GRITTY.
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Sat, 07 Jun 2014 19:09:28 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=524553#comment-717466Doesn’t surprise me. Ed Wade, the Astros GM at the time, used to work for the Phillies. Sounds like Sandberg to the Cubs all over again (Dallas Green was the GM of the Cubs).
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Sat, 07 Jun 2014 19:07:17 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=524553#comment-717465It’s axiomatic that Amaro is in over his head. But unless the ownership group senses a cataclysic money and/or PR problem from him being there, nothing will happen. This has only happened a few times with this ownership group: once when Giles was forced to abdicate to David Montgomery, one when Montgomery had tio bow to pressure to fire Wade, and most recently, the firing of Manuel.

Another simple fact is that it is easy to say he must go. The problem becomes who do you replace him with. Everyone wanted Manuel’s head last year – not the bext x’s and o’s manager, bumbling personality, etc. – but it’s not like they are any better under Sandberg. That’s not a knock on Sandberg, who has a pretty bad squad to work with (though you’d have to wonder why he’s take this job with the talent he has to work with). It’s more an admission that Manuel clearly was not the problem.

There’s no one within the organization that could replace Amaro effectively right now. Green is effectively retired even with the ‘special assistant” title. Manuel has the same title but does not have executive experience. Wade is employed by them but is toxic to the Phillies fan base. The assistant GMs there now are part of the problem so you wouldn’t hire them. The issue relates to their structure and their reliance on preserving the “family”.

Hiring Bob Boone might be an option. Has had a pretty good executive career and has on field (albeit not terribly successful) experience. Currently an assistant GM with the Nationals. But it’s not an option that would set the world on fire.

The team will not be sold anytime soon, so don’t bank on that either. The last thing Philadelphia needs is another ownership soap opera like what’s been going on with The Phladelphia Inquirer and Daily News.

Short of asking Pat Gillick to come back, which I doubt would happen (and I doubt he’s say yes, and oh btw, he’s a senior adv to the president I believe), I fail to see what benefit would be derived from axing Amaro, especially during the season.

All of this from a ex-pat Philadelphian who still hopes they do well yet having moved to other allegiances.

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Sat, 07 Jun 2014 18:53:15 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=524553#comment-717464This seems surprisingly plausible. Even at the time they made the deal, it seemed very strange that they would include a third high-ceiling prospect in addition to their best hitting prospect and a well-regarded power pitcher, all to get a good but not great right fielder.
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Sat, 07 Jun 2014 18:45:49 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=524553#comment-717462So….it wasn’t a mistake? They aren’t sloppy they are just stupid.
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Sat, 07 Jun 2014 18:35:02 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=524553#comment-717456As long as this ownership group is in place and Montgomery is president, Amaro will remain the G.M. as long as he wants. (from a locked in source)
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Sat, 07 Jun 2014 18:22:43 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=524553#comment-717453Stop going to games. Cancel your season tickets. Pray to Jobu.
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Sat, 07 Jun 2014 17:01:18 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=524553#comment-717430Ruben Amaro needs to go, how do you get rid of a GM?
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Sat, 07 Jun 2014 16:55:17 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=524553#comment-717427Team ownership has been way to loyal to Amaro Jr. He has taken a world series winning team and turned them into a hopeless mess.
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Sat, 07 Jun 2014 16:43:46 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=524553#comment-717423For what it’s worth, when the Phillies came to DC earlier this week, I looked at Stubhub to see about going to a game. The prices were definitely higher — probably twice as much — than they were for an equivalent game against the Marlins in the second week of the season.
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Sat, 07 Jun 2014 16:41:15 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=524553#comment-717421Don’t leave out Dan O’Dowd. He has been manning the Rockies since 1999 and has been horrible practically the entire time.
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Sat, 07 Jun 2014 16:27:29 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=524553#comment-717411Ed Wade got a lot of crap down here for his time as GM, and deservedly so with signings of Kaz Matsui, Brandon Lyon, Pedro Feliz, and drafting Jio Meir before Mike Trout was off the board, but he should get credit for this trade as well as drafting Springer and Castro.
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Sat, 07 Jun 2014 15:43:04 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=524553#comment-717395Dear Major League Baseball,
Please name Ruben Amaro Jr. as your next Commissioner.
xoxox
The Philadelphia Phillies
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Sat, 07 Jun 2014 15:36:21 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=524553#comment-717394I can just picture him wearing mike schmidts uniform and getting ketchup and mustard all over it
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Sat, 07 Jun 2014 15:32:49 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=524553#comment-717393How long before the E-A-G-L-E-S chants start up at Citizens Bank Park again?
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Sat, 07 Jun 2014 15:29:55 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=524553#comment-717392I honestly don’t think the ownership group will fire him after this year. They too are part of the problem. When the head of the ownership group says if they hit on 30% of their decisions that equates to a .300 average as a hitter and would put you in the Hall of Fame I knew this recent success was all a fluke. Until the owners sell (and they won’t) the mindset of this organization will never change and nor will the results. Many bad years of baseball with a little success sprinkled in every once in awhile. There’s a reason they were the first pro team to 10,000 loses
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Sat, 07 Jun 2014 15:26:39 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=524553#comment-717391At this point I’m starting to think Amaro is like Costanza. He just can’t get fired no matter what he does. What a joke.
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Sat, 07 Jun 2014 15:25:35 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=524553#comment-717390Phillies answered the question of what they would rather be perceived as

Stupid or Incompetent

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Sat, 07 Jun 2014 15:14:57 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=524553#comment-717386Citizens Bank Park is going to be a ghost town later this summer because these idiots clearly have no clue. It’s not just Amaro and the scouts, but the ENTIRE organization. It’s sad to see and to say, but baseball is dead in Philly…again. The only good thing is that tickets will be basically given away on Stub Hub so I can see the visiting players who come to town. It’s like the Veterans Stadium years all over again. Hey maybe they’ll start putting free tickets in Phillies Franks again :)
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Sat, 07 Jun 2014 15:12:22 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=524553#comment-717385It’s a 3 horse race between Ruben, Towers and Moore
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Sat, 07 Jun 2014 15:11:15 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=524553#comment-717384CLUNK!

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Sat, 07 Jun 2014 15:10:36 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=524553#comment-717383the decision to fire*
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Sat, 07 Jun 2014 15:09:53 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=524553#comment-717381Anyone think that the decision to for Amaro has already been made and that they delayed it until after the draft? Maybe they leaked this story after day 1 setting up the inevitable conclusion shortly there after?
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Sat, 07 Jun 2014 15:05:20 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=524553#comment-717378Nah. The way Dom Brown is hitting, thatd actually be a decent deal for philly, so he would never do that
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Sat, 07 Jun 2014 15:04:08 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=524553#comment-717377(speechless)
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Sat, 07 Jun 2014 14:59:27 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=524553#comment-717374The drool is probably puddling as we speak…
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Sat, 07 Jun 2014 14:58:48 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=524553#comment-717372I think it’s more of a way to save face. Would you rather say you didn’t think he was that good of a prospect and risk being perceived as not knowing how to judge talent. Or say you knew he was good and was put on the list as a mistake? Either way…ouch
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