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Team coverage from Bay Area News GroupWed, 01 Jul 2015 21:39:00 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.3By: Gregg Dieguezhttp://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2013/05/20/final-warriors-grades-not-straight-as-but-pretty-good/#comment-80499
Tue, 28 May 2013 18:45:13 +0000http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/?p=4776#comment-80499Can we see the grades WITHOUT expectations? There’s no way to know what yours were. The team finished 6th in the West, despite important longlasting injuries, and then ALMOST embarrassed the Spurs. So let’s see no-handicap grades.

Second, as I recall, 3 veterans missed 5 of 6 foul shots down the stretch in game 1, and how about those turnovers (?!@#$%^), so let’s not just pick on Jefferson.

He’s the only player in the NBA with an average of 18 pts, 11 rebs and 3 assts. THE ONLY ONE. He led the NBA with 31 games of 20+ pts and 10+ rebs. Dubs were 25-6 in those games.

Apparently, you thought so highly of David Lee before the season that you said to yourself, “if he hits marks that no other NBA player can, and makes third team all NBA, then that’s barely satisfactory in my book.”

Despite my comments I didn’t opine on a grade for D. Lee; I, too would think his grade should be closer to a B or B + than a C +. Sure, he is established & his expectations surpass those of his teammates but he unselfishly changed his game to suit the needs of the W’s as the season progressed.

As such his contributions cannot merely be statistically quantified. In addition his impact was marginalized by his “evolutionary process. . .” So, in the final analysis Lee’s grade should be in tune with a “sliding scale. . .”

With Bogut in the lineup Lee’s contributions inside weren’t as required. His rebound totals went down & he was espected to “d” up on the perimeter more than life before Bogut.

When Curry was hurt or his game was off Lee’s offensive impact became imperative. . .so one must consider Lee’s versatility & self sacrifice for “the greater good” of the W’s game to game adjustments into his final analysis. . .just to embrace total objectivity. . .

]]>By: GSReddhttp://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2013/05/20/final-warriors-grades-not-straight-as-but-pretty-good/#comment-79472
Fri, 24 May 2013 03:15:43 +0000http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/?p=4776#comment-79472I like David Lee. He, like Jack, like Curry, were central to our regular season success. A lot of individuals think Jack should have a lower grade because of his ‘over dribbling’ and turnover issues that were pronounced in the playoffs, but as MT said the expectation of Jack this season were nowhere near what we got out of him. Lee on the other hand, once an All Star, and once again an All Star, proven as a player for us last season, and performed better this season. Exceeded expectation, yes. Greatly?, uhm…, maybe not, but I do think better than marginally. C+ may be a little under graded, maybe not, its a difference of opinion. I would have graded him a B or B+ because I didn’t for-see the consistent 20/10 double doubles.

Future with or without Lee, would like to have it with Lee, but I can see what MT sees, Lee has value for trade right now, and his game is near it’s apex, and the Dub’s proved they could contend without him on the floor, during the 1st round of playoffs. Bogut, healthy, would minimize Lees rebounds, so those double doubles will become hard to come by. Barnes progress will create the defensive split of opposing teams, as will B Rush’s healthy return. Lee’s offense becomes decreased by these factors, and his defense…well let’s say thank god for Mark Jackson instilling a defensive framework for the team.

I’m sure my comments will be blasted. I like Antispy3’s comments, and agree that blasting other players does not really support the W’s.

I have my likes, my ‘waiting to see consistency or improvements’, and a few ‘hope we can trade (these largely because of limited playability and large dollar contracts)’. I have the jerseys(not signed yet) for 3 of the players on my like list: Curry, Barnes, and Lee, but like Antispy3, I am looking for W’s future success and improvement as we see it. Lee, I hope can exceed the expectation I have with the framework I listed.

]]>By: antispy3http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2013/05/20/final-warriors-grades-not-straight-as-but-pretty-good/#comment-79352
Thu, 23 May 2013 18:14:00 +0000http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/?p=4776#comment-79352let’s see. . .clyde Frasier routinely took the last shot in his day for the Knicks. not fleet afoot. Oscar Robertson, for all his splendor, fell into that category. . .Charles Barkley would draw the double team 7 still get his shot off. . .Earl Monroe, before he was a knick was the go-to guy for the Bullets. he had bad knees. couldn’t be considered as a fast guy. . .John Havelicek. . .

Steph will learn how to set his defender up; Barnes & Thompson become more relevant threats as the defense concentrates on Steph.

Steph has only scratched the surface of his game. As he slows down Tony Parker has learned how to set up his defender; how to keep him off balance. And then he dishes to, say, Many Ginoboli, who thrives on those situations. . .

So now y’all are gonna gang up on Steph? Where do you suppose Lee is in his career? Hasn’t he probably plateaued? Is he going to develop some new skill to set himself apart from the other 4’s?

Steph, Barnes & Thompson are the future of the W’s. They got a taste of playoff success & now they’re gonna want more. Plus they all could earn more dollars. . .

Sheesh. . .ripping Steph because your feelings are hurt by a critique of Lee? you guys really support your team! Three successful playoff runs in 30 years & just because some people are willing to speak the truth you want to slaughter the golden calf?

You pick ONE charaterization of Jackson regarding Curry; how ‘bot robbed for all star laurels, one of the best shooters playing in the best shooting backcourt of all time, all the boquets coach Jack lauded upon Curry & you want to represent Jackson & your opinion with ONE comment? Wow. . .

I bet almost all of you that have your panties in a bind are white. If I’m wrong, well to err is human. .

But know this; I’m white. That’s just for the sake of identification. I also happen to be color blind. I just want to see the W’s maximize their potential. . .the best should be in store for this team. They have a chance, now, to really do something special.

Can’t stand pat, folks. . .

]]>By: Grey Wardenhttp://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2013/05/20/final-warriors-grades-not-straight-as-but-pretty-good/#comment-79344
Thu, 23 May 2013 17:34:48 +0000http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/?p=4776#comment-79344Hard for Curry to take the last shot because he isn’t fast enough to blow by his defender. There are 2 ways for Curry to get open for a shot:

1) Set a screen for him
or
2) Have Curry do some fancy dribbling, hoping the defender goes for the crossover fake, and go for a step-back jumpshot.

And this is only if a single defender is on him. Double team him and there’s practically no chance for him to get a good shot up.

]]>By: Stanhttp://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2013/05/20/final-warriors-grades-not-straight-as-but-pretty-good/#comment-79338
Thu, 23 May 2013 17:26:09 +0000http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/?p=4776#comment-79338I know one thing..when the last shot needs to be taken- Lebron takes it. How many times this year did the Warriors let Jack,Landry,Green take the last shot? And why we lost most of those games. Just as the Pacers coach takes the blame to not put Hibbert in the lane,Jackson has to admit he needs to design ways to get Curry the ball in crunch time. YOUR BEST should take the last shot,not who you want to pat on the back and say nice try.
]]>By: antispy3http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2013/05/20/final-warriors-grades-not-straight-as-but-pretty-good/#comment-79318
Thu, 23 May 2013 16:09:35 +0000http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/?p=4776#comment-79318Curry was the only thing going that night. Nothing else was working. Curry HAD to be the focus. . .Just like a college player that suffers through bad stats because he is the prime focus & the focus of “box & one” defenses. . .

curry doesn’t approach the game like he is an individual star. He’s not selfish. . .

The next game was in Oracle. . .The W’s were no longer playing great on the road when they lost in New York. The Knicks were suffering through their worst stint of the regular season. . .

And why was Lee not there? got tossed from the previous game for fighting. . .some would consider that selfish. . .

The W’s enjoyed relative success early on against substandard competition. . .when 2012 became 2013I opined often on this blog about expecting the W’s to “return to earth” & the holes in their team would be exposed. . .which is exactly what happened.

About the same time, right before the all star game curry’s game elevated to almost “rock star’ status. . .Lee/ he mimicked the W’s play & his weaknesses were exposed by better competition.

At one point of the season Charles Barkley lamented that Steph & Klay Thompson might not be able to coexist in the same backcourt. Redundant strengths. Not enough versatility. We ALL know how that played out. . .

later on “Sir Charles” jumped on the bandwagon lamenting the W’s backcourt as perhaps (a bit too much overhype, but I’m making a point) “the best shooting backcourt in the history of the game.”

Down the stretch Bogut finally was able to make consistent contributions to the W’s playoff drive. Then it was considered by many that he & lee were too redundant & lee’s defensive weaknesses exposed. Lee as a shot blocker, stan? Show me the stats that coorborate that. . .Total unrealityville, stan. . .

In the playoffs, out of necessity harrison Barnes game began to flourish. utliizing the “stretch 4,” the newest offensive innovation in the game elevated barnes game & his confidence grew. Too big for most 3’s & much too quick for 4’s, combined with “glue guy” Draymont Green, who can “d up” some 2’s, 3’s on a consistent basis & many 4’s. heck, he’s even drawn the assignment of sone point guards. Can lee offer any of that? don’t think so. . .

Also; all your comparisons were based on REGULAR SEASON PLAY! Curry offered big time game on both stages. . . with no Curry the defense stacks it in around lee; he is worn down & cannot contribute on the boards, arguably his strength (along with quickness, but there are athletic bigs that regularly mitigate his effectiveness. . .). . .so, the W’s perimeter threat actually opens up the W’s inside game. . .Get it right, fellas. . .your collective subjective nature has been exposed. . .deal with reality. . .an objective source uniformly lauded for his expertise, reality, candor & accuracy, combined with knowledge of the game (along with having the background of a trained writer, who is paid to professionally structure his approach)& has covered the W’s (his beat; his job) for years is all of a sudden wrong?

Oh, one last point; lack of ability to penetrate? Remember all the circus shots & one hand, slight of hand passes? His long range accuracy makes the opposition play him more honest. Wait until next year, doubters. This is the identity of the W’s, today & in the future. Can you say the same about Lee? be reasonable. Be real.