I am wondering why in neither video we have seen so far(showing Kuznetsov group heading to Syria), neither russian ship had its radar working? (I suppose if radar shaft is not rotating, then it is probably not turned on?)For example in last video, neither Kuznetsov has its Fregat radar working, nor Petr Veliky has any of its radars in "scan mode".

Ned86 wrote:I am wondering why in neither video we have seen so far(showing Kuznetsov group heading to Syria), neither russian ship had its radar working? (I suppose if radar shaft is not rotating, then it is probably not turned on?)For example in last video, neither Kuznetsov has its Fregat radar working, nor Petr Veliky has any of its radars in "scan mode".

They have had clear visibility all the way so far. With all their other ships around them why would they need to run their own radar, especially with no flight ops running? I don't think we have any film of when they were in the Norwegian Sea, when they did have flight ops running, to check if the radars were on then.

Honesroc wrote:If I recall right from my Navy days, those SU-33's are at +15 (meaning: ready for flight in 15 minutes).

.... that's a good amount of smoke pillowing from the K. Wonder what her top speed is?

Speaking of which, the relatively slow speed through the channel may have something to do with high traffic in the area, or the K's power plant. -That's just speculation on my part.

That speed, around 10 knots from tracking the tug following them, has been their speed all the way from the north of Norway. So unlikely to be dense traffic related, more a comfortable speed for everyone including the support vessels and kind on engines etc (no PR disaster breakdowns).

The sea might look very benign in these pictures but here is a reminder of what they are heading into north of Spain. Its a long video but the first minute will do. That's when the crew wish they were in a sub. Don'y think there will be any photographers out there then

JohninMK wrote:They have had clear visibility all the way so far. With all their other ships around them why would they need to run their own radar, especially with no flight ops running? I don't think we have any film of when they were in the Norwegian Sea, when they did have flight ops running, to check if the radars were on then.

In all videos we have seen so far, all ships that have been filmed had theirs radars off.We have prof of Kuznetsov and Petr Veliky with radars switched off in English channel as well as in this video somewhere near Shetlands where it is obvious that Admiral Kulakov had it radars switched off too. Maybe they are practicing radio silence, or this is to show "non agression", but I think that they missed unique opportunity to scan and track NATO vessels and Aircraft, and to practice tracking and targeting them. Anyway, guys in Russian navy probably know theirs reasons.

JohninMK wrote:They have had clear visibility all the way so far. With all their other ships around them why would they need to run their own radar, especially with no flight ops running? I don't think we have any film of when they were in the Norwegian Sea, when they did have flight ops running, to check if the radars were on then.

In all videos we have seen so far, all ships that have been filmed had theirs radars off.We have prof of Kuznetsov and Petr Veliky with radars switched off in English channel as well as in this video somewhere near Shetlands where it is obvious that Admiral Kulakov had it radars switched off too. Maybe they are practicing radio silence, or this is to show "non agression", but I think that they missed unique opportunity to scan and track NATO vessels and Aircraft, and to practice tracking and targeting them. Anyway, guys in Russian navy probably know theirs reasons.

JohninMK wrote:They have had clear visibility all the way so far. With all their other ships around them why would they need to run their own radar, especially with no flight ops running? I don't think we have any film of when they were in the Norwegian Sea, when they did have flight ops running, to check if the radars were on then.

In all videos we have seen so far, all ships that have been filmed had theirs radars off.We have prof of Kuznetsov and Petr Veliky with radars switched off in English channel as well as in this video somewhere near Shetlands where it is obvious that Admiral Kulakov had it radars switched off too. Maybe they are practicing radio silence, or this is to show "non agression", but I think that they missed unique opportunity to scan and track NATO vessels and Aircraft, and to practice tracking and targeting them. Anyway, guys in Russian navy probably know theirs reasons.

Actually rotating is not exclusive with radar being on or off. Many radars have rotation and radiation switches so you can rotate it without actually radiating anything, or radiate without rotating it...

That said unless the ships make dock in Russia..zero point to consider any of this fact.

Poland will say anything against Russia at this point.

Edit: On a side note if this was true (100 percent doubt it) maybe this is a reason russia is sending such a huge fleet down there?.

To have some Escorts take the Mistrals home so no one gets any funny ideas?.

I think the K in Syria is in case Clinton wins and has stupid ideas. I'm pretty sure they have nuk warhead on some P-700. That's why English are so scared.

IMO, They don't need Mistrals. It's a civil design whithout any decent defences on it. A realy big target that would make you loose a lot if it's destroyed in a war.

In all fairness the K doesn't require so many escorts giving what she has with her now, that said ships of that type even the US class have little AA ships that of that type relay on escorts vessels for protection.

Like I said tho, zero chance there story is true. Just Poland doing the Blame russia game.

In all fairness the K doesn't require so many escorts giving what she has with her now, that said ships of that type even the US class have little AA ships that of that type relay on escorts vessels for protection.

Yes it need against subs. Having just helico searching for enemy subs isn't enough. And Udaloy's are first anti-sub destroyers. Now if they plan to use P-700, it's better to have the PtG and the K in the same place. During the Kosovo war they send one Ocsar undetected through Gibraltar and it was in position to fire against US carrier (it was the Koursk I think). So it wouldn't be a surprise if they send one now too. They would have the triad for P-700 + P-1000 on the Moskva.

The newest Corvettes Baltic Fleet "Courageous" and "savvy" returned to base in Baltiysk after the military campaign objectives in the North Atlantic, the press service of the Western Military District.

"Corvettes were on the march for more than 15 days. During this time the ships had passed more than 3 thousand nautical miles. In the campaign period, the crews have completed more than 10 different training and combat tasks, including joint exercises on communications, anti-aircraft and anti-submarine defense. The crews of naval helicopters Ka-27 naval aviation fleet based on corvettes, performed several flight changes in the Atlantic ocean, conducted training on search of enemy submarines conditional and detection of surface targets ", - said in a statement.

ZVO Press Service notes that the main objective of the campaign was to ensure a naval presence and the demonstration of the flag of the Russian Navy in the Atlantic Ocean.

On the pier sailors met representatives of the command of the Baltic Fleet, the Baltic administration, veterans of the fleet, as well as relatives and friends of the Baltic sailors.

At the moment, the Baltic Sea Fleet are four 20380 corvette "Guarding", "savvy", "Courageous," "Persistent". It is expected that in the coming years, several corvettes of this project will be part of the Russian Navy. Some ships will arrive in the Baltic Fleet ( "zealous", "Strict"), and some - in the Pacific ( "Hero of Russia Aldar Tsydenzhapov" "Perfect," "Loud").

NOTE: so this boys were just on a pysop to mess with NATO and they won't be going to Syria.

PapaDragon wrote:Those two Buyans just arrived in North Sea. Not too shabby for couple of river boats. Now if someone could please tell me what are they doing over there?

http://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/1537270.html

The photos in the link were taken from the helicopter of a Dutch frigate about 7 hours ago, so probably in that part of the North Sea. Interesting that they have a tug along with them.

Be interesting which way they go now, Baltic or Northern Fleet. Either way they will get a warm welcome, they went through a baptism of fire Atlantic storm off Portugal.

They may be small but they certainly pack a few punches.

People used to cross Atlantic and fight wars in ships half of that tonnage and 1/3 of Buyan-M lenght, on top of everything ships used to be wodden. Also people cross Atlantic fairly regulary on yachts that are nowehere near in size of Buyan. All that ocea-sea going classifications are abit pointless these days. Sure you will have alot better ride on 6.000t displacement ship but doesnt mean smaller ships cant deal with it.

People used to cross Atlantic and fight wars in ships half of that tonnage and 1/3 of Buyan-M lenght, on top of everything ships used to be wodden. Also people cross Atlantic fairly regulary on yachts that are nowehere near in size of Buyan. All that ocea-sea going classifications are abit pointless these days. Sure you will have alot better ride on 6.000t displacement ship but doesnt mean smaller ships cant deal with it.

If the sea is calm it can go anyywhere. But in storms waves are much higher in open sea/ocean than in litoral waters, that's the problem.

People used to cross Atlantic and fight wars in ships half of that tonnage and 1/3 of Buyan-M lenght, on top of everything ships used to be wodden. Also people cross Atlantic fairly regulary on yachts that are nowehere near in size of Buyan. All that ocea-sea going classifications are abit pointless these days. Sure you will have alot better ride on 6.000t displacement ship but doesnt mean smaller ships cant deal with it.

If the sea is calm it can go anyywhere. But in storms waves are much higher in open sea/ocean than in litoral waters, that's the problem.

Weather radars exist with a reason, but putting that aside, its not like its going to sink due to bad weather, i mean 15th century corvetes didnt.