come back we'll come back i want to bring an dimitri to this because you talked a lot about russian i met in dmitri as in moscow so we're taught you talk touched on this a bit earlier but what role does russia play and making sure that this doesn't escalate and become more complicated as the met said you know it's a possibility but he doesn't think is likely what role does russia play in that dmitri. well i think i don't disagree with the math math. on the main points i think that rush and durkin now are indeed allies in the bringing peace to syria because. if you just forget the lies from the western press russia never wanted just mr assad to stay in power whatever happens around his position is that syrians themselves should elect their government eve syrians want us and it's not the business of the united states it's not the business all over the european union to tell them who their new president should be

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so in that sense the position of mr charles shrug and the position of the russian foreign minister sergey lavrov they are identical there in fact the same and sergey lavrov at today's meeting in moscow with his turkish colleague says that we want the so-called constituents know can meet here or syrians which comprises both their position members and their representatives of the government we wanted to start working as soon as possible in geneva as for russia's role in syria look russia does not have a russian minority in syria historically syria was never a part of russian empire so we don't want to force anything on syrians what we want to avoid is that syria become said base for some kind of a islamist terrorist organization or islamist terrorist state. like

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isis tried to be let me remind you of that thousands of russian citizens unfortunately who became militant islamists they. emigrated to syria and they took part in the fighting against. the syrian government russia condemns these people. of course ok so all of what russia wants is that the syrians should rebuild their own country the syrian government should control the territory that is the unite here they want and we and we see now that the darker side doesn't object if if if there is no terrorist state or that there are two of syria was russia and turkey are great ally as you leave syria is and he joined us that you can see mali thank you elias is the fellas let me bring you into this the turds the kurds pardon me say that they feel betrayed. by donald trump should they be are they. yes they are betrayed from

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a subject point of view. the government and the sudan government have a common target which is this the shooting the b.g. even dismembering the military security administrative system of the because if there is an entity on the syrian side on this he has tired of the turkish syrian border of for the kurds that would threaten the integrity of turkey which is not in the national security interest of turkey from the syrian side any any attempt to. independent state or. and and it kind of dependent and it is also threats the syrian and dignity so both sides have the same target now how to bring both sides together in order to

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realize the start get i think it's business of the russian government because so far. the political distance between the thought of the grass is very far. i think that now the russian mediation after the. united states will out from all northern syria will be sensitive and very important and crucial in. making the a transitional phase in northen syria a very small and safe for all the constituents of the region there's a great point so many how how bout that how significant how much is at stake based on how turkey and syria work this out between themselves. well i think turkey has a few points that it has been arguing from the from this from the very beginning first

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of all it does not want any terrorist group. stablish ing some sort of defacto autonomy along its border particularly the y.p. g. given the fact that there isn't a very close thing between teacake a terrorist organization and the y p g and also any sort of other extremist groups along its border because these are these locus to just like the previous speaker said national security threats to its citizens other than that turkey wants to establish. you know some sort of stability turkey wants to be part of the establishing ability in syria because we are hosting nearly four million syrians in our country and that they need to eventually lead a day or need to be able to go back to their homes once they live it and thirdly did turkey wants to make sure that the political transition in syria is not

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enforced but it is it through peaceful process through a democratic process that will bring a long lasting stability once other actors are removed from the ground so these if these are established through negotiations obviously with the with russians and with the iranians as they are also part of the for example the stana process. and ultimately through these two backers of the assad regime alternately they need to have. some sort of linkage with the assad regime as well so if these are established turkey like you know for example praise the no nonsense in fighting turkey does not have any interest to stay in syria for longer than it needs to are we shouldn't forget that it's the it is also a very harsh economic burden that turkey has been sorry if anything with regards to the military and also be

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a military aspect of took his involvement in syria dimitri what does this mean what's happening and non-base now what does this mean for asada eventually being able to reclaim all of syria talk about the significance of monbiot. well i think that mon bishops crucial because i think it was a test it was a test to all of. loyalty of whom do people actually fear i mean people in syria. are sunni muslims are. alawite christians. talk amongst whom do they fear most it turns out that they don't fear most and they don't distrust bolster the syrian government or russia or even turkey they distrust and fear the islamists and unfortunately of their western backers because what we see now is

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a terrible embarrassment for the west it turned out that the civil war the insurgency which the united states and the european union and saudi arabia have been supporting since two thousand and eleven that the insurgency is not popeil at its own trailing it made it to me to say i'm popular not only in the mission that arab sunni areas but also in the kurdish area mitri is it fair for you to say that syrians don't fear bashar assad hundreds of thousands of people have been killed he is accused of war crimes is it fair to say that the people of syria don't fear him . well i think that if he had not been full pillai if he didn't have the support over huge part of the population he wouldn't be able to reclaim ninety percent of the territory in our popular and with her therefore true art when monday she would not have surround the through him. ok let me bring it out let me bring in

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more foreign agents including some people from saudi arabia and from libya so that's good that's your assessment i'm going to bring in elias now because that being that said without any evidence that short opinion elias what do you think about. what it is the syrian people want now. and there see there aren't want the want peace and stability in syria they want a central government they want an administration they want public services pumping courts they want schools universities public health they want an integrity to their country this is what they want and this cannot be achieved unless the mr assad and this government or whoever was this government stayed. in power. that was depend upon and. elections fair and fair and just elections and all or. where all parts concert take part in this elections as to the

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getting what is now in the media most of the people killed in syria kept by al qaeda affiliated groups by isis and most of the burned. by by by those people i am aware that. the. syrian air forces bombed. many places in syria but then that there are people that are going to prison and there's a theory now because the army the army i mean the army was and the defensive last was of the country and that the at back of isis and i that i forget that the groups that so this is this is shadowed in the media the role of al qaeda i forget that group and not that in syria and on the borders of lebanon and in southern syria and the role of isis in destroying syria and the east and the bad so now they are got to rid of most of those still some remnants and.

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need some cooperation with turkey and russia in order to get get that of what us at the in the gods of religion and. which is the. sham in syria so i mean the there is this should. be a cooperation between russia durkee in order to get there of the remnants of this these thought of going to. you know to a disease that they should they should meet with the with the turkish obsessions about the. y.p. . who are going to zation constitute an affair with the all right elias at the met let me let you have the final word on what we're really are at a time that fight the final word is do you think that we are now any closer to the civil war being over well i think we are closer than what we were before however i just want to make a very short comment i think to syrians to the average joe on the street who were

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you know before two thousand and eleven you know what assad is to them is not is not what assad is to damn right no ok so that i think that's a very clear fact that we need to acknowledge and what you know what it comes with threats to the average syrians. as saudis as thread fall as many other extremist groups on the ground be it their wipe e.g. . they did die or other extremist groups ok however assad has the grace to record cyo but he will not be able to cover the war crimes he committed that will be the last word at the met thank you very much and that sell it to me tree babiche and gentlemen thank you offer the discussion and thank you for watching can watch the program again any time get our website al-jazeera dot com for further discussion on our facebook page at facebook dot com ports slash a.j.

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