DaveScot said... Curious about what school district in their right mind would include a book on family illustrating a homo household for students only five years old I googled Lexington "David Park" and found it was Lexington, Massachusetts. Figures. I wonder if the parent can get a fair trial in that homo haven where the jury won't be a jury of peers but rather a jury of queers. ROFLMAO - I crack me up.

I'm pretty sure he does not crack anyone else up, once the 'laugh with'/'laugh at' distinction is made clear.

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Am I allowed to use the word "queer" here or is calling a poofter a queer considered name-calling?

Dave really needs to learn not to blog after polishing off a case of Lone Star beer. He's even starting to make Mommy FTK uncomfortable:

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Holy crap, Dave. You are going to get me in all kinds of trouble...

I'm going to have to post a disclaimer somewhere...

"I will not be held responsible for what comes out of DaveScot's mouth".

--------------"Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Tell you what Jasper- YOU provide a valid definition of random and we will see if it works.

I take random to mean: determined by accident rather than design. In some cases the following is relevant: lacking a definite plan, purpose, or pattern.

Variation, in the evolutionary sense lacks a definite plan or purpose.

Wikipedia states the following:

A random process is a repeating process whose outcomes follow no describable deterministic pattern, but follow a probability distribution.

And THAT also fits what I stated.

But anyways- it is always a good thing when the opposing view has been chopped up so badly all that all the opposition has left is unsupported accusations and semantic quibbling.

BTW are you (Jasper) any relation to an imp named Zachriel?

So, Joe, I roll two six sided dice. Is the outcome random, or not? BAD, BAD TARD.

On the issue of heredity,

Copy the a text (e.g. the Bible), letter-for-letter, as carefully as you can. Of course, there may be a letter or two that are incorrect, or simply illegible to later transcribers. Does that make the transcribed texts "random"? Or is it just the errors that are random?

The whole point of heredity is to re-produce. Mutations are random (with respect to benefit).

--------------Zachriel, angel that rules over memory, presides over the planet Jupiter.Member AMF, Angelic Motive ForcePushing planets on celestial spheres â€” one epoch at a time.

"Animals live longer, if they're raised in a sterile, germ-free environment, therefore the Garden of Eden must be true!"

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This got me thinking about evolution vs. design. The animals raised germ-free could not have evolved in the natural world without exposure to bacteria but they could have been designed for GF life. The fact that they live twice as long in a GF environment when eating a diet that is nutritionally complete except for being sterile seems to be favorable evidence that animals were created in and for a germ-free world.

"Animals live longer, if they're raised in a sterile, germ-free environment, therefore the Garden of Eden must be true!"

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This got me thinking about evolution vs. design. The animals raised germ-free could not have evolved in the natural world without exposure to bacteria but they could have been designed for GF life. The fact that they live twice as long in a GF environment when eating a diet that is nutritionally complete except for being sterile seems to be favorable evidence that animals were created in and for a germ-free world.

Can this be interpreted to mean that a diet high in Cheesy-Poofs is an abomination to the Intelligent Designer?

--------------It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it. We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

"Animals live longer, if they're raised in a sterile, germ-free environment, therefore the Garden of Eden must be true!"

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This got me thinking about evolution vs. design. The animals raised germ-free could not have evolved in the natural world without exposure to bacteria but they could have been designed for GF life. The fact that they live twice as long in a GF environment when eating a diet that is nutritionally complete except for being sterile seems to be favorable evidence that animals were created in and for a germ-free world.

Huh. Average human lifespan has hugely increased in the modern west compared with ancient times, due mainly to the grossly artificial environment in which we live (medicine, diet, no predation and little violence etc.). We still die eventually, though, often of diseases that would have been rare in ancient people (Alzheimers, heart disease etc.). It seems to me that this study provides a striking parallel with changing human mortality. Dave appears to be trying to argue that because some animals live longer in artificially comfortable environs they are designed. Animals generally live longer in captivity than in the wild, as well - so what?

Actually, thats not even the worst thing with his post - where does he propose all the bacteria and viruses came from, if the world was originally 'germ free'?

12:37 amKen Miller is a jackass - COME ON! - let’s get real - these egghead morons are not worthy of the sweart off our collected nuggets - and I think they know it - don’t slack up on the fight, they are arguing as stupid idiots and they know it - fight fight fight

Amen (in my drunken stupor)

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mike1962

03/25/2007

12:38 amPlease pass the Petron and Guinness.

Oh thank you.

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Joseph

03/25/2007

10:37 amWhen nucleotide sequences can be shuffled and dealt at random and still sustain a viable organism, Dr Miller will have a point.

IOW as Stephen Meyers, Wm Dembski, et al., have been saying for years- not any DNA sequence will do.

And we know that chemically speaking, any DNA sequence is just as likely as any other.

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mike1962

03/26/2007

12:34 pm“Ken Miller is a jackass”

Hmm, I didn’t write that. Although it is apparent that someone sharing or spoofing my IP did.

favorable evidence that animals were created in and for a germ-free world.

The Tard is strong today. So, if animals are designed, are germs not also designed?

I bet DS will soon wish he did not go here!Really Big Edit:In the comments Joey "IDiot" Campana asks

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What you report here is astounding. I have several points and questions that I am very curious to hear any responses to:

. Joey, WTF are you asking DaveScot for then? It's not like he's going to put any of his "alleged" millions into doing some research now is it?

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(1) If life was designed to evolve, and “animals raised germ-free could not have evolved in the natural world without exposure to bacteria,” what you report here would seem to confirm Hoyle’s suspicions about germs and viruses being vectors of evolutionary change. Any thoughts?

Hum, assuming (!) it's confirmed (via that ID research stalwart Biologic, no doubt) that viri and bacteria are the only vectors of evolutionary change how does that do ID any good? Hum, a virus diddit! Not very conforting for the children (well, insult to children that is) over at UD.

On this episode of ID The Future we present an interview with Joseph C. Campana, founder of ResearchID.org, a wiki-based website devoted to cataloguing scientific applications of intelligent design. CSC's Casey Luskin talks to Campana about what inspired the website, and how people can get involved to help constructively catalogue intelligent design scientific research.

Yeah, that's a goldmine i'm sure. But the comment is what I brought you here for:

quoting Inquisitive Brain:

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38 minutes ago, Question wrote:> How would you test the hypothesis that an> intelligent designer created DNA?

The same way you would test the hypothesis that an unintelligent designer created DNA:

Formulate a plausible pathway using a causal framework and test the pathway for causal specificity.

This, however, is a long process, and idealogues are not willing to let researchers test their ideas, much less wait for the results.

Inquisitive Brain, who, exactly, are the idealogues and how, exactly, are they stopping researchers (can you name them) testing their ideas?. Simple question. I can wait as long as you like for the answer. I don't know who the fark Inquisitive Brain is but, the question remains.

--------------I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot standGordon Mullings

26 March 2007Dawkins’s 66th birthday — Hey, what about my birthday greeting?William DembskiFor whatever reason, the people at richarddawkins.net put me on their mailing list and sent me an invitation some time back to write a birthday greeting for Richard Dawkins, who celebrates his 66th birthday today. Go to richarddawkins.net/happybirthdayRD, and you’ll find birthday greetings from Dan Dennett, Sam Harris, P.Z. Myers, Michael Shermer, etc. But my birthday greeting is nowhere to be found. Here’s the panegyric I sent in a few weeks back (yes, I’ve posted it at UD before; note that I cribbed from Harry Jaffa, Daniel Dennett, and Barbara Kingsolver). I figure just in case the ID thing doesn’t work out, I’ll have a backup . . . .

There are rare times and places, in the illustrious history of science, when outbursts of genius supply human civilization with the supreme wonders of human greatness. It is the contemplation of these that raises the mass of humanity to levels not unworthy of what, in less enlightened ages, we would have regarded as the divine image and which we now, rightly, regard as the pinnacle of evolutionary development. Such moments of supreme scientific achievement are to be found in the works of Archimedes, Copernicus, Newton, Maxwell, and Einstein. However, never before–or since–has scientific genius burst in such profusion on the human scene as in the 19th century when Charles Darwin propounded his theory of evolution and taught the creatures of evolution to understand that they are products of evolution. If an award were to be given for the single best idea anyone ever had, it would go to Darwin, ahead of everyone else. In a single stroke, the idea of evolution by natural selection unifies the realm of life, meaning, and purpose with the realm of space and time, cause and effect, mechanism and physical law. Natural selection is the greatest, simplest, most elegant logical construct ever to dawn across our curiosity about the workings of natural life. It is inarguable, and it explains everything. Every human good that we enjoy today is, directly or indirectly, a legacy from what Charles Darwin wrought and what Richard Dawkins has preserved. –WmAD

And if you believe this, there’s some real estate I’d like to sell you.

Hmm, for what possible reason? Inference the design, or whatever it is they do, and it's $$$

Intuition. That's how I knew that.

Controversy = Page Hits = Prizes.

After all, it'd be a pity if the dear reader was not aware of such delights as

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The Cave Painting is an allegorical novel exploring the intelligent design/evolution debate. With special emphasis on contemporary intelligent design theory the novel, together with comprehensive end notes, highlights the key shortcomings of current evolutionary theories in explaining the origin of specified complex things, whether they be cave paintings, or, by analogy, human beings.

It's a pity they don't think to put special empahsis on contempoarary intelligent design's shortcomings as well. Hum, cave paintings were painted by cave people? Is that a design inference? Manganese paintings were painted by manganese people therefore?!

Oh look the book has a recommendation!

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"A page turner"A page turner from the get-go, and informative, to boot. It's a rare treat to read something so absorbing yet so substantive.

Mark Hartwig is on the Access Research Network Board of Directors and has much experience with outreaching to students through the creation-evolution controversy. He has been an active member of the intelligent design movement by promoting understanding of the basic issues in popular media--especially to college students.

What is it with the middle aged men and the students? Why pick on them? :)experenced student outreacher indeed. And how does this bloke appeal to students via the mass media anyway? Just wants to flog them stuff if you ask me.

ID is one big circle Jerk, everybody reviewing everybody else's books, one big happy family in their big ole tent. Fingers in ears. As long as the books keep selling it's gravy all round. I just followed the 1st advertising link I found on UD and already the IDEA people are there with their approval. It's lucky ID's "elephant in the room" AKA no proof whatsoever is actually an absence of the already mentioned "elephant" as it died (or would have, if it existed) a while ago now and is stinking (or would have, anyway) up the tent.From what I can see, Mr Hartwig, Ph.D is a big cheese over at IDEA, long time liar for jesus. It's just nice that he's got time to take out of his busy day and write a book recommendation for a book that will

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provide a thorough criticism of Darwinism but also detail the many scientific arguments for design

You can own it now for only $16.00 !

--------------I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot standGordon Mullings

Does it feel to anyone else that ID is now mostly an historical event?

Pretty much. Dead as a threat to science education anyway.

I won't count ID out until there has been an appeal to a higher court. This means a second trial at a minimum.

It would be a good idea to let some jerkwater school board in California to go ahead and vote to teach ID. There have been two recent instances, but both were quashed before anything real could happen.

--------------"Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy."

Incidentally, while doing research I came across this item in The Encyclopedia of Evolution, in the introduction, by Richard Milner:

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Everyone has heard of the Scopes "monkey trial" in Tennessee (although most of the "facts" are usually wrong), but the Slade trial of Victorian England is now almost forgotten.

In 1876, British Spiritualists and evolutionists fought this emotional courtroom battle over the authenticity of "Doctor" Henry Slade, an internationally celebrated spirit-medium (or channeler in today's jargon). The issue was "materialism"--the idea that human personality is inseparable from the biological brain.

"Materialist" scientists insisted that Slade's communion with "departed spirits" had to be a criminal fraud to bilk the bereaved. While many among the general public may have privately agreed, for a scientist to publicly insist that a human "soul" cannot exist apart from a body was shocking--much worse than claiming apes for relatives. Evolutionists Charles Darwin and Alfred Russel Wallace (a prominent Spiritualist) supported opposing sides in the Slade affair, each convinced that his own vision of evolutionary science was at stake.

Interesting, no? Spiritualism (thought not channeling) has gone the way of Arthur Conan Doyle's fairies of Cottingly Glen, but the fight about "materialism" goes on.

--------------Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip?

AtBC Poet Laureate

"I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive

It would be a good idea to let some jerkwater school board in California to go ahead and vote to teach ID.

I'd rather have it come out of the worst state in the union, South Carolina. Just to try to maximize that crazy period, before Casey Luskin flies in and tells them to keep their mouth shut, where they're having angry board meetings with some apes yelling "Ain't you luv Jaysis?" "What're yew some kind of atheist faggit?" "Don't you know separation of church and state is a communist lie ?!?!?!?!" "Don't you believe what The Lord said in the bible?!?!?!?"

RIGHT NOW IM WRESTING A HERD OF CHEESBURGERS AND I CAN DO ABOUT A 100FT OF THEM A DAY STANDING ON MY FEET. I NEVER HAVE MEALS WHEN IM EATING I ONLY STOP FOR SAUCE. YOU CAN'T BEAT THAT EXERCISE.

ITS DANGEROUS WORK BUT IT KEEPS ME FIT.

I USED TO BE ABLE TO EAT FIVE FORKLIFTS FULL BEFORE LUNCH ......NOW THAT IM RETIRED I USE A BARGE TO SHIFT THEM.

RICHARD T HUGE IS A HOMOBURGER HAHAHAHAHA -I'M UP MY CRACK.-dt

--------------The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

Being built like an average NFL football player has its advantages but at my age I should be shooting for middleweight boxer instead.

Indeed...(Former Dallas Cowboy OL Nate Newton)

--------------"Molecular stuff seems to me not to be biology as much as it is a more atomic element of life" --Creo nut Robert Byers------"You need your arrogant ass kicked, and I would LOVE to be the guy who does it. Where do you live?" --Anger Management Problem Concern Troll "Kris"

It just ocurred to me that according to Ernst Mayr I must be a different species from Inuits. We’re reproductively isolated by geography and there isn’t a snowball’s chance in south central Texas I’d be attracted to an Inuit woman anyhow even though we’re probably still physically compatible on a hypothetical basis sort of like brown bears and polar bears.

It just ocurred to me that according to Ernst Mayr I must be a different species from Inuits. We’re reproductively isolated by geography and there isn’t a snowball’s chance in south central Texas I’d be attracted to an Inuit woman anyhow even though we’re probably still physically compatible on a hypothetical basis sort of like brown bears and polar bears.

More gratuitous, unapologetic racism from DaveScot. This just after WAD took Darwin to task on behalf of the Irish.

--------------Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."- David Foster Wallace

"Hereâ€™s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."- Barry Arrington