I've been somewhat surprised at the number of Volt 2's I see here, despite the loss of the stickers. There's been a few that got in under the wire and had them, but the vast majority I see don't. I think people realize it's a pretty good, flexible car even without the perk, although it's still too expensive. I concur with your <sigh>, but at least there's a much higher percentage of small CUVs rather than hulking truck-based SUVs (those you call BROD-class) in the mix these days. Even the standard pickups are improving in fuel-efficiency.

Guy [I have lots of experience designing/selling off-grid AE systems, some using EVs but don't own one. Local trips are by foot, bike and/or rapid transit].

The 'best' is the enemy of 'good enough'.Copper shot, not Silver bullets.

Swimming a bit upstream here, I might actually consider buying a 2016 SV, although that would mainly happen if incentives (NY finally has one! but I don't know if it will apply to leasing) make buying the same cost or cheaper. Failing that I'll probably lease one, now that lease rates are falling. I only need a solid 100 miles of range, and I think that, knowing what I know now, I can limit degradation to 10% in the few years I'm likely to be driving it. With the Bolt and especially with the Model 3, I'd be much more worried about early production Buggy-ness than I'd be with a Leaf. I need to get another car within the next 12 months, and in that time frame the Leaf looks best to me.

2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium and no QC, a 2009 Vectrix VX-1 W/18 Leaf modules, and 3 EZIP E-bicycles.PLEASE don't PM me with Leaf questions. Just post in the topic that seems most appropriate.

DNAinaGoodWay wrote:.... I have until August 2017, so should be out by then. Hopefully a 60 kWh eNV200 too.

I'd be happy with any eNV200! well I suppose it would have to have at least a 30kWh battery to even equal a Leaf with a 24kWh battery and I'd prefer a larger battery but come on Nissan(or anyone!) come out with a smaller BEV utility van, I think they'd be surprised of the market. Extend the body and make it a 7 passenger(like the Transit connect or eNV200 in other markets) and you'll have a family hauler hit on your hands!

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Too bad Ford Fleet Vehicles are not available to the general public

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I've been somewhat surprised at the number of Volt 2's I see here, despite the loss of the stickers. There's been a few that got in under the wire and had them, but the vast majority I see don't. I think people realize it's a pretty good, flexible car even without the perk, although it's still too expensive. I concur with your <sigh>, but at least there's a much higher percentage of small CUVs rather than hulking truck-based SUVs (those you call BROD-class) in the mix these days.

Yeah. BRoD aka Battering Ram of Death to me == full-sized guzzler SUV that weigh over 5000+ lbs and are usually sub-20 mpg combined. Most of them also have terrible accident avoidance capability via terrible handling and brakes.

I just shake my head and am disgusted when I see so many of those running around driven solo and/or w/minimal passengers and cargo. It blows my mind further when I see brand new ones running around, like the solo-driven Yukon XL I saw today w/dealer placards still.

Yeah. BRoD aka Battering Ram of Death to me == full-sized guzzler SUV that weigh over 5000+ lbs and are usually sub-20 mpg combined. Most of them also have terrible accident avoidance capability via terrible handling and brakes.

I just shake my head and am disgusted when I see so many of those running around driven solo and/or w/minimal passengers and cargo.(

I tried to live without a pickup truck but I just couldn't do it.

Our stable includes our A 2015 Leaf as our daily driver 90% usage

A 2015 Lexus RX450h hybrid SUV when we need to transport more than 2 adults or travel more than 40 miles from home 5% usage