Its a bit shocking isn't it? I heard the V30 and thought yep, that sound good, lets see what the others can add, but the V30 sounded way better. Thats cool with me, I just bought another one. I was expecting more from the others though, particularly the G12H30

There are several amps and cabs played clean and dirty with consistent riffs. This time the Celestion offerings include V30, Greenbacks, G12T75 and Classic Lead. The Greenies and V30 are fairly similar, but I still vote V30.

The G12H-30 70th is not the best speaker. That V30 sounded better. They should have tested a Real G12H-30.

The G12T-75 isn't too bad. I actually kinda liked it in that demo. V30 was OK - A little too much high mids IMO, which is what I've been saying all along. Sounds nice with the G12T-75. The WGS version is supposed to fix that.

To be fair, the V30 sounded significantly better but, I'm sure a proper "EQing" would have helped the others. IMO though...

i agree with you on that , i myself like the g12h's better than the v30's for
classic rock (lower gain stuff) , but then i love what my v30' s sound like when playing the more aggressive modern metal type stuff . i think to really
get a good comparision you would need to have a couple different cabs loaded with the different speakers and try them out , for best results !!

I think the point made above about EQ is a good one - a test with all settings the same lets you understand how each speaker is different, but to hear how good each can be, each deserves to be seperately EQed. Also, a louder speaker will have an advantage over a less efficient one in a sound test, unless the levels are made equal.

Meantime, Id like to show you something else. Appologies in advance if this is getting too nerdy, but I found it interesting and wanted to share.

I play a DSL401 and a Crate Powerblock, and I have been using a generously sized closed back 1x12 cab that I built, as an extension speaker. Since I've had this, it has had in it the stock Goldback speaker from the DSL401, but yesterday my new V30 arrived so I put it in.

But before I did, I set up a test so I could understand the difference objectively. Using the Powerblock, driven to a slight crunch, I set up a short loop on my delay pedal based on an A-chord rythm. I recorded this with a mic offset from the cone centre and about 6" back. Volume was quite low. Then, leaving the loop intact and not touching any settings, I stopped the amp, changed the speaker to the V30 and ran it again with all the same settings, using the same loop.

Here is the result, Goldback v Vintage 30. I run each vesrion alternately three times each, starting with the Goldback, then at 3 1/2 sec (two bars) it changes to the V30, then back to the GB at 7 sec etc.

This is a crispy new V30 and a well used Goldback, but what surprised me was how little difference there is. The sound level is not adjusted and my software tells me that the signal from both are almost identical in level, to within 0.1 db, which is suprising when the V30 is a perticularly efficient type. The perceived tonal sound difference is slight, with a bit more highs on the GB and mids on the V30, but both sound fine to me.

I'm expecting though, that the V30 will develop as it breaks in, and at higher volume I think it will cope better too.

I assume you left the amp on the same settings for each take, and I agree the V 30's had the best vibe with however the amp was set. BUT...if I had a cabinet of all the other speakers, I'd be tweaking the amp to make them sound a lot better. Your setiing had a sweet spot for the V30's. I'm no G12T75 fan in general but I bet I could have made them sound a LOT better had I played with my amp settings. So while this is a fun test, I would take it with a grain of salt.

I'm just curious how they EQ'd the amp. Did they set it up for the V30 and then run the rest off of that setting, or was it set flat? Obviously the V30 sounded best in that clip, but what if they EQ'd the amp for the GT75 how would the others sound then? I've heard all 4 of these speakers separately and all sound great when paired with the right amp and EQ'd properly. And some (V30+GT75) sound fantastic together.IMHO I wouldn't make any judgements on what speaker to use based solely on that short clip.

All true - In addition to the EQ, the G12T-75 is at a dissadvantage because it is less efficient, so comes out not as loud (which is not a real problem). As you play that clip, try bumping up the volume a tad just as it changes to the G12T-75

All true - In addition to the EQ, the G12T-75 is at a dissadvantage because it is less efficient, so comes out not as loud (which is not a real problem). As you play that clip, try bumping up the volume a tad just as it changes to the G12T-75

well.... me beign a sorry ass GP all i can say is that i have a 4x12 wired as 2 2x12 with G12H30 (anniv) and V30s as pairs, i like how the G12H sound on their own but it lacks something with some tipe of music (like Metallica or scorpions IMO), the V30s on their own sound very good but to me they lack something with some type of music (like ACDC, B sabb or Zepp), when i use both it seems that everything sounds good

Therefore i think that each one on their own make a perfect sound for some type of music but they complement each other when playing a broader range of music, however i do not like the G12T75īs, but Celestion claims YM uses them as a preffered weapon of choice, so i guess it true when they say that it all depends on what you like jajajaj

So rockinr0ll, after hearing the V30 v G12T75 v G12H30 v G12K100 video and the video I just posted I decided to pull the trigger on a V30 from a member of another forum for $70.

Actually it is a Hellatone 60 and he bought it last summer and only tried it briefly in a cabinet then removed it. He sent photos and it looks pristine. I would think judging from some of your comments that I made the right choice in choosing the V30 for my AVT50.

Thats another interesting comparison. I think the LP samples are the most telling here - and Id pick the G12H over the V30 on this one. They come from the same family though - with their heavy magnets and classic sound. I reckon they are not so far away from each other that you couldn't use EQ to bridge the gap.

On other tests, I usually prefer the V30, and they have 2x the power rating so better than G12H for Combos of 40W or above.