Caucasoid is Caucasian, which means White. It is a pure race with began in Europe. Some scientists state that Caucasians arose in Europe from the Hominids at over 1 million years ago, citing hominids in Spain and Caucasus mountains.

A Mixed-"Caucasoid" is not a Caucasoid, it is a Mixed Race person with some Caucasoid features. Such as Vladimir Lenin.
Trying to claim a Semite race person, or a Indian, as a "Caucasoid" is faulty logic, as they are Mixed-Race people.

A Black like Obama with some Caucasoid features from his mother does not become a Caucasoid in classification. He becomes a Mixed-Race person with some Caucasoid features.

If you want to lump Cambodians with the Japanese, then you should lump the Dravidians with the Europeans.

Asia. Asians. Geography.

The Asians live in Asia, for tens of thousands of years. Europeans live in Europe. The Indian subcontinent isn't in Europe.

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Originally Posted by noname1980

The genetic difference between a Cambodian and Jap is much greater than the one between a Dravidian and German.

No.

See the Y-DNA chart I posted earlier, which you pretend doesn't exist.

Sumatra Indonesian and Nippon Japanese have the same Y-DNA genetics

The Blue is the O Y-DNA haplogroup.
The Yellow is the D Y-DNA haplogroup.

The O,D Y-DNA haplopgroups are more than 80% of both Inodnesians and Japanese.
The Chinese, Thais, Laotians, Cambodians, Japanese, Malaysians, Taiwanese, Indonesians, Koreans, and Philippinos all share 80% of the same Y-DNA haplogroups.

North Africans were Caucasians from the same basic migrations as Europeans when the Sahara worked as a barrier. With climate change that made it passable, they began mixing, and that sped up on account of the slave trade passing through their countries.

So, granted, they are a separate issue.

However the Semites Iraqis and the Southern Indians, for example, are Caucasian without major admixture to the best of my knowledge.

They would be the branches of the Caucasian tree who did not develop as high on average, like the Cambodians and so on are branches of the Mongoloid tree which did not develop as high on average as the Japanese, Chinese, and Koreans.

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Originally Posted by Keltic Man

The Asians from Sumatra, Indonesia to Japan all have 80% of the same DNA. That can't be said for Europeans and North Africans, look at the DNA map.

Would you consider Obama a Caucasoid?

If Obama's DNA was tested, he'd come out like an Algerian, Libyan, Egyptian, Berber or Moroccan, very likely, same with anthropology skull shape. He has some Caucasoid features from this mother. But he is not a Caucasoid. Caucasoid does not mean mixed.

Pure Caucasoid is the only Caucasoid. Mixed-Race is mixed races. This thread isn't about sampling the various mixed races in the border regions around the world.

Whites have developed in Europe as a genetic geographically protected population race group. Asia likewise has been in a relatively protected geographic group, but at a more southern latitude. The Asians of geographic group of Asia, because it is lower in latitude, has a lower IQ.

See the Y-DNA chart I posted earlier, which you pretend doesn't exist.

The Y-DNA is a record of a man's father's father's father's father's father's [...] father.

It doesn't necessarily tell you anything about the entire mass of DNA that comes from all of the rest of the ancestors. You need autosomal DNA to figure out how closely different people are related overall.

The Y-DNA is a record of a man's father's father's father's father's father's [...] father.

It doesn't necessarily tell you anything about the entire mass of DNA that comes from all of the rest of the ancestors. You need autosomal DNA to figure out how closely different people are related overall.

That still doesn't dismiss the fact Asian Y-DNA is consistent across Asia.

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ARL Division of Biotechnology, Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology and Department of Anthropology, University of Arizona.

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Obama is a man of mixed Negro/Caucasian race, with some Negroid and some Caucasoid features.

Then should be include Obama and Algeria in the 'wider Caucasoid" IQ group?

Do we include Mixed Races in our pure White Caucasoid IQ group? This thread says "White" not Mixed Race with 50% Caucasoid or Asian features.

This thread is simply about Asian vs White IQ. It doesn't aim to include fringe racial mixes of either group. Most people view Central Asians and North Africans as Mixed Race, as neither pure Asian, White or Black. As such fringe area with some Asian DNA, such as Tajikistan, Nepal, Borneo, Australasia, Siberian Asiatics, have been kept out.

The dividing line between Asia and the Indian subcontinent is usually geographic along the Himalayas and rivers. Burma is Asia, Bangladesh is in the Indian subcontinent.

That still doesn't dismiss the fact Asian Y-DNA is consistent across Asia.

The Caucasian groups which have not mixed substantially with Negros or Asians/Orientals constitute one category, one associated with a lot of migrations and Y-Haplo groups. You can see even in Europe that there is a lot of variation in Y-Haplo groups, and in their proportions in different areas.

Still these are all Caucasians, despite the diversity in Y-Haplo groups and their diverse and variable distribution.

The Asians/Orientals do seem to have less variation in their Y-Haplo groups from place to place, and within places, with 'O' (the one represented by dark blue) being extremely common.

This is information about movements within the Asian/Oriental race.

It does not mean that the race as a race can't be compared with the Caucasian race, just because the Caucasians have more Y variability (which is all still Caucasian) while the Asians have less.

Does anybody know how the IQ tests are administered? At what age bracket are these tests taken? Someone wrote this to me:

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I forgot to mention - the existing IQ data is heavily based on data from children because they can be forced to take IQ tests in school. However, I suspect that the minds of Whites takes longer to reach full maturity - this would explain why the Japanese are so awesome in elementary school, but then fall off in college. Thus, the data for Asians (being heavily based on data of young people) will suggest that they are more intelligent than they actually become as adults.

What I would like to see is a comparison of White and Asian IQs of 35-45 year olds.

So when we're talking about the general IQ here in this thread, we're basically talking about the IQ levels of teenagers, not adults, hence we're using the numbers based on IQ tests on teenagers (I suppose between the ages 10-14?).

The Caucasian groups which have not mixed substantially with Negros or Asians/Orientals constitute one category, one associated with a lot of migrations and Y-Haplo groups. You can see even in Europe that there is a lot of variation in Y-Haplo groups, and in their proportions in different areas.

People include North Africans, Semite Middle Eastern Jews, Turks, in what they call a "wider Caucasian" group, which really is just Mixed-Race. The purpose of this thread is to not include the Mixed-Race groups around the Caucasian (White) and Asian (Yellow) pure race groups.

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Originally Posted by Iris Sophia

The Asians/Orientals do seem to have less variation in their Y-Haplo groups from place to place, and within places, with 'O' (the one represented by dark blue) being extremely common.

This is information about movements within the Asian/Oriental race.

The Asians have more variation in their Y-Hap groups. Still the Asians share specific a Y-Hap group, all have O and most have C.

It is information about the fact that the Japanese have the same genetics as the Indonesians and are thus both Asians genetically as well as geographically. Which anti-racists have been denying in this thread to deny White Caucasians are pure Caucasian and Asians are pure Asians. We get people trying to mix Semites into Caucasians (J Y-DNA Haplotype), just as they try to mix Australoid Blacks into Asian, (K Y-DNA Haplotype). The presence of limited J Y-DNA in some parts of Italy, or the presence of K Y-DNA in some parts of southern Indonesia, Malaysia, China, does not make Aborignies of Australia into pure Asians race people.

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Originally Posted by Iris Sophia

It does not mean that the race as a race can't be compared with the Caucasian race, just because the Caucasians have more Y variability (which is all still Caucasian) while the Asians have less.

Mongolian Y-DNA is vastly different from Chinese Y-DNA, the effect of the Great Wall.

Asians have more variability though, in both IQ scores (Bhutan 78, Japan 105) and genetic race.

Intra-Asian genetic variability:

Mongolian (MO) 50% C Y-DNA
Buryat (BU) 65% C Y-DNA
China (HA, Han) 4% C Y-DNA
The China - Buryat/Mongolian genetic difference is wider and sharper than anything in Europe between countries sharing a common land border.
90% of Buryats share no genetic Y-DNA with Chinese. There is only the Great Wall that caused that.
Mongolians share less than 30% Y-DNA with the Chinese.

Japan 40% D Y-DNA
Tibet 50% D Y-DNA

Korea 0% D Y-DNA
Philippines 0% D Y-DNA
There is similar difference between Ukraine and Spain regarding Japan, Tibet, Korea, Philippines variance)
The Japanese have more Mongolian and Tibetan in them than the Chinese.

So I'd say White and Asian are about the same in terms of genetic variation and consistency. Genetically the Asians have similar diversity to Caucasians (Whites), but Asians have a wider bell curve.