DiCE shouldn't trick ppl like this, only 3% of PC gamers will get what they are showing so far, Consoles gamers on next-cur gen has no idea how the game looks on their console of choice so does the average PC gamer on mid-high setting

I'll wait and see the final release trailer for BF4 running on ps4 before I preorder it or buy it

battlefield 5 will look better on the xbone and ps4 than what battlefield 4 will. why? well it's because ea hasn't had devkits for that long and as they learn more about the hardware, the more they can push it. it happens in every generation and why games on the x360 and ps3 look better now than launch. even though battlefield has been around for many years battlefield 4 is still very much a launch game for the new hardware. the foundation looks very good so far, 60 frames per second and 64 players online.

games like forza 5 and killzone shadow fall will showcase what the new systems can do more so because they are internal studios who have had devkits earlier. but even those games wont show the true power of the systems because again we are in the early stages and they too will improve there game (no pun intended).

its also not really fair to compare a $400-$500 console to that of a pc system that is likely over $1,000 to build. these new consoles will be quite powerful but we have to put it all into context. they can mass-produce these consoles and sell them at a bit of a loss but they still won't be able to compete with the best of what pc can offer.

Its a catch 22 for them. they want to show off their game they way they intended..but the console versions will fall short visually. If they just showed off the console versions as early a the PC they would not have this peoblem. They went through the same thing with BF3.

@ trafalger Got to agree with you, while the next-gen consoles are both starting to look more like mid-end PC's. You can't really compare a $500 pc build to a $1500 high-end pc. That's like comparing a Nissan Altima (270HP) to Nissan GTR (545HP).

I know what he is saying but,Patrick Bach is sounding a little cocky in this interview though. Yes FB3 is amazing and it's a power house game engine. However, saying the extra horsepower of the PS4/XBone didn't attribute to what we're seeing on next-gen and it's all FB3? Then we should be seeing 32v32 + Commander, 60fps and 720p minimum on both the PS3/XB360.

I think this article steers away from certain things...It seems like he is talking more about the 'core' of the visuals, and being because of the optimized engine, is still available on current gen consoles...obviously fidelity will be limited, but similar to BF3 on consoles, 'most' of what you see in terms of things happening...will make it to the ps3/360...

If you follow rendering engines, you have to see how frostbite 2 and 3 have been pretty impressive...not just in overall visuals...but in optimization...

I mean BF4 was showcased on very expensive machines for sure...but it was also rendered natively at 3k...for the general 1080p/60hz audience, you won't need even half of that...not to mention, the gpu's in those machines were AMD 7970s (2 of them iirc)...a nearly 2 year old card...

for comparisons sake...Crysis 3 can make a $1000 titan sweat...but isn't tangibly better looking at all...On the other hand, most reports are showing several ~$300 gpu's that will remain 60fps with nearly every setting maxed out on bf4...something CryEngine has NEVER figured out...

so, I don't really find this as arrogant...BF4 on any system will do multiplayer stuff that NO ONE else has come close to...

"DiCE shouldn't trick ppl like this, only 3% of PC gamers will get what they are showing so far" oh really? I played BF3 on max on a £120 graphics card at release and I reckon it will be around the same for BF4 as they are really well made unlike crysis so you don't need a stupidly powerful PC to max the game out and make it look amazing. This is thanks to the engine and creators.

I would say more like 30% of PC gamers can play this game and make it look as good if not better than nex gen consoles. My current PC blows nex gen away and will all through the 10 years there out with haswell i5 and 7970. I currently run BF3 at 1080P at 120FPS. I don't expect BF4 to demand much more than 3.

And considering the devs have already said this game has had to be cut to work at a steady framerate at 1080p on new consoles I wouldn't be surprised if you only see a locked 30fps on xbone and ps4. That's a huge difference.

I don't think anyone buys a console expecting it to be high end PC level. Not even when the consoles first launch. However I am sure the game will look great and play great on the new consoles. I will be getting it for both PC and PS4 so I can play with family. I am excited about using the PS4 controller to lean. I know this sounds petty but I think it will change how the game is played. And of course I am looking forward to playing it on my PC because the game is jaw dropping on ultra settings. (assuming it looks as good or better than BF3 on ultra settings)

You are right, IF BF4 is the only reason you buy a next-gen console. But if you are going to buy it anyway, why not getting the better version ? And imagine playing THAT via remote play on the Vita... Another reason to have a boner in bed.

Lol i was coming in here to say the same thing after reading the headline.

Okay EA we get it frostbite 3 is powerful but BF4 isnt the MOST visually stunning 'next-gen' launch game so maybe you guys should start trying to tap into Next-gen power and not rest on you own engine only.

I'd highly suggest you wait until October for any gpu upgrade...AMD is giving free copies of the game with a handful of different gpu's...not to mention, the 'Hawaii' line is supposed to be announced around mid September, shipping in time for bf4...rumors show the 9xxx series could have faster cards dropping at the same price as 7970 and 7990's do now...but significantly faster...

but in either case...if you're set on a 7990...I guarantee after the Hawaii line up is announced...the price will plummet...and by then be bundled with the game to begin with...

I have only Macs since I'm 5yo in 87, PC gaming is just a weird concept to me. Consoles are relatively cheap and give you good gaming for years without the need to upgrade. I don't care if the graphics are not as good as a 2000$ PC. And this is a launch game... Wait a couple of years and THEN we will see the real power of the new consoles.

How is it "Due to Frostbite 3 instead of next gen horsepower" But "Won't look as good on the current-gen platforms as it will on the next-gen" If the statement was true, wouldn't it looks just as good on previous gen consoles?

Its the game engines behind all games that take advantage of the hardware. Perfect example is BF4 vs Call It Doodie, I mean you could have COD running on a godam super computer running and BF4 running on a $400 gaming PC and COD would still look like crap. Why ? Their rehashed tired ass engine.

That is so disappointing... Since this game isn't where it is supposed to be means that I shouldn't feel the need to spend 60 dollars on it. I'll support the game, but not at 60. I'll buy it at 30 or 40.