opposed, but today house speakerjohnboehnerseemedto suggest he was open to wiggle room on the issue of taxes or fresh revenues. on the other hand, democrats are willing to compromise on sacred cows, entitlement reform. let's hear more of what the congressional leaders had to say after the meeting. take a listen. >> we should have a goal in terms of how much deficit reduction. we should have a deadline before christmas. we should share some milestones of success so that confidence can build. >> we have the cornerstones of being able to work something out. we're both going to give up some of the things that we know are a problem. >> we're prepared to put revenue on the table, provided we fix the real problem. >> reporter: tamron, if they can't avoid going over the fiscal cliff, it could mean economic disaster and the economy slips back into recession. i think we have a graphic of what that would specifically look like. the unemployment rate could tick back up to 9.1%, more than 3 million jobs could be lost. it could be a tax hike of $2,000 to middle income families. i spoke with some

't, toure. some complementary things said from an aide close tospeakerboehnersayingit was a very productive, positive meeting there with the president at the white house. the most interesting thing, though, from the boehner aide was that john boehner believes there is not enough time from now until the end of the year to actually have a grand bargain. there's enough time, though, to put together the framework for what a grand bargain would look like. essentially have the top lines agreed to that by sometime in 2013 you could have both the chambers, the senate and the house, come together on some substantial tax reform, entitlement reform, and get rid of the sort of automatic cuts that we see as a sequester, and the tax increases and have a mechanism you can replace them with. listen to the congressional leaders in their photo op in the white house before thanksgiving that they had today. >> we've put revenue on the table, as long as it's accompanied by significant spending cuts. >> we have a cornerstones of being able to work something out. we're both going to have to give up som

to figure out the fiscal cliff. isspeakerboehnerreadyto make a deal anytime soon? >>> plus, major news for big business. the justice department hits bp with the biggest criminal penalty ever assessed on a corporation for the 2010 gulf oil spill. >>> and so much for the ideas that twinkies last forever. bankruptcy breaks a big-time baker. >>> good morning from washington. it's friday, november 16, 2012. this is "the daily rundown." i'm luke russert in for chuck todd who hasn't worked hard enough at all this entire election campaign, he's now going to asia to cover the president's trip. former cia director david petraeus will testify in the benghazi attacks before the senate intelligence committee. he just wrapped up testifying on the house side. petraeus' questioning comes as he now finds himself under investigation by the agency he once led. acting director michael morell has ordered the inspector general to investigate whether he used agency resources including security details, private jets, and special accommodations to facilitate his affair with paula broadwell. officials say the c

an optimistic note about the way forward, as didspeakerboehnerafterthe meeting. >> my hope is that this is going to be the beginning of a fruitful process where we're able to come to an agreement that will reduce our deficit in a balanced way. >> to show our seriousness, we have put revenue on the table as long as it's accompanied by significant spending cuts. >> nbc's mike viqueira joins us live from the white house. mike, are there any signs, i have to put this to you, that the president may be able to persuade republicans at least to maintain the bush tax cuts on those making less than $250,000 a year? is there any sign that he's going to be able to persuade them on that? >> reporter: well, i think that he would be able to persuade them to extend those tax cuts, but he may not be able to persuade them to decouple them from those making more than $250,000 a year, martin. i don't mean to be flip, but that does remain at the end of the day here after the big root velt room photo-op the main sticking point. it's clear democrats feel they have the upper hand as do democrats h

do you you think of mcconnellandboehnerputting it on the table. >> mitch mccoppell had negative comments after at election. let's not take this to the bank. we have difficult negotiations ahead. what it seems to me has been made clear they will set is a revenue target and find a way to meet it and is it will have to increase some rates. by reducing the number of deductions. there will be significant changes in entitlements and democrats may have is a hard time with that. we may not get there until the end of december. you can imagine going through the negotiations and at the end of december boehner and mcconnell saying let's keep the tack cuts in place while we continue to negotiate. the president has to be firm. >> i completely agree with everything you just said. boehner after the meeting hinted he would be wiling to kick the can down the road and have the temporary solution. >> yeah. >> what would that mean for the markets? what would that mean for his caucus. do you think that's the most likely

was thatjohnboehnerwasre-elected as speaker by this republican conference, and they knewthatboehnerwasgoing to be a dealmaker with the president. so even the hard liners may have read the election returns, and i think even the hard liners don't be responsible for a tax increase. >> not only boehner, even mcconnell. let me show you this, michelle. mcconnell and boehner had a different kind of sound, different tone today after the meeting. watch this. >> obviously the president won re-election. the republicans were basically unable to get any seats in the senate. more people voted for democrats in the house than republicans. why do you have any leverage whatsoever? >> there's a republican majority here in the house. the american people re-elected the republican majority. >> it's important to remember that in this case, the voters also re-elected a republican-controlled house last week. the fact is the government is organized no differently today than it was after the republican wave of 2010. >> now, listen to what they had to say today. >> tomorrow is speaker boehner's birthday. so

house listen to the principles themselves, the presidentspeakerboehnertalkabout these issues, i would rather be here because this is where so much of the same conversation is going to be taking place, and i get the opportunity today to talk to many of those principles directly involved in those negotiations, what's going to play out of the next couple months. it's a critical time in the country's fiscal history right now, tough decisions to be made. and again, honored. glad somebody people are watching as well over the internet and elsewhere. so we are going to begin some additional conversations here right now. i'm going to be talking about with members of congress but also to erskine bowles and alan simpson there. will he talk with some top economist about some of the choices facing those policymakers, but right now we are joined by one of the principals in the conversation to take place over at the white house in just about an hour or so, and that is gene sperling, the director of the national economic council. so i will invite him out there on the stage. so if gene sperling

andspeakerboehneragreesto a rate hike, not just limiting deductions and that sort of thing, what would you think? >>guest: i don't think he will agree to a rate hike. what you are looking at is closing loopholes and limiting deductions and getting revenue from growth combined with entitlement reform and better spending control. >>neil: if it is a rate hike you would not be for that because the president argued earlier this week he doesn't think the numbers are there to get as much from closing loopholes, allowances and the rest than a simple hike in the rate? >>guest: the reality is to get revenue, you need economic growth and by raising rates you hurt economic growth by closing loopholes limiting deductions you make sure that wealthy people pay their fair share. >>neil: you can get a like amount of money from that, senator, than just raising the rate itself? >>guest: that is the real chance to get revenue because you have the kind of tax reform that will stimulate economic growth. if our economy doesn't grow you will not have more revenue even if you raise rates. that combined with spendi

-free from anywhere. >> caller: why is he talking tospeakerboehner. wasn'the tried to get everybody paid off. >> stephanie: from the tobacco companies. >> caller: from the cigarette companies, i mean for years. i've watched politics for years and i mean it was always like a joke two and three years ago always drunk all the time. >> well, yeah. >> caller: you know, a political joke. i've heard people say that. i just want to make a comment. i was watching david schuster the last show, and i can't--i just want to make a comment because i've watched him for years, too. my friend have sisters in college, and i guess he's really popular in dorms. >> stephanie: he's dreamy. >> caller: in dorm rooms. people have pictures of him in their dorm rooms. >> stephanie: really? i can't wait to tease him about that. >> caller: politics, i'm just a housewife, and i hear stories about college but we're not there. >> stephanie: he's like a political geek liker beat. >> like shawn cassidy of the political world. >> caller: they were talking about religion on the last show, and i just wanted to make a comme

, including the most important negotiating partner of all a, house speakerjohnboehner. >>the framework i've outlined in our meeting today is consistent with the president's call for a fair and balanced approach. >> i feel very good about what we were able to talk about in there. >> we're prepared to put revenue on the table, provided we fix the real problem. >> i feel confident that a solution may be in sight. >> and in terms of the nature of that solution, what was discussed in the meeting was a two-step process in which the leaders and the white house first agree on a framework, an amount of deficit reduction it, both tax increases and spending cuts, and then they kicked the filling in of those details into the early months of 2013. they would do that with a legislative mechanism that provides some assurance to the american people and to the financial markets, guys, that those blanks would be filled in by the time they need to to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> very big blanks. okay. thank you very much. david, a couple words we've heard here are hopeful and encouraged. are you feeling more

during that financial meeting to talk with house speakerjohnboehnerandwish him a happy birthday today. boehner turns 63 tomorrow. the president congratulated the speaker and shook his hand. he joked that the white house staff didn't get him a cake because they didn't know actually how many candles they would need. he gave boehner a birthday gift of a bottle of wine. >>> a stunning security breach. mother who crashed through a gate and started driving down an air port runway with her child in the car. >>> the frightening moment a driver plowed straight into a police officer. >>> and the beltway becomes the santa express. how old st. nick took t >>> you ready tonight on news4 at 5:00, we're giving away tickets to hot 99 sold out jingle ball concert featuring justin bieber, casha, flo ridea, and psy gangnam style. look for the secret star of the day, then enter the name on nbc washington for your chance to win. each day we're giving a pair of tickets for vip floor seats. and one winner will get a meet-and-greet with one of the jingle ball artists. >>> in just a matter of hours, the brand

, the president took a moment to wish house speakerjohnboehnerahappy birthday. he turned 63 tomorrow. the president congratulated boehner and joked that the white house staff didn't get them a cake because they didn't know how many candles they might need. the president gave boehner a bottle of italian wine as a birthday gift. at least they're talking. >> yes. >> for a birthday, you can talk. >> nice sunshine out there today. >> yeah, we needed to see that sunshine. i think we're going to see a similar day tomorrow. if you liked today, you're going to see another one tomorrow. that comes on an all-important weekend. look outside right now. what you're seeing out there is a pretty nice night. yes, it's on the cool side. you'll need the jacket as you step outside, but other than that, not bad at all. you can deal with the chill. it's going to be a nice evening. 47 degrees the current temperature at the airport. winds out of the north about 7 miles per hour. that breeze, we'll call it a breeze instead of a wind, but that breeze will make things feel a little bit cooler. 37 down towards

.6 trillion in new taxes just isn't serious. it's a joke. a joke. >> house speakerjohnboehnerhasbeen far milder in this rhetoric. according to politico, some house republicans might consider a tax hike on millionaires. many republican lawmakers privately concede that the 2012 election left them far short of a mandate on taxes. and if urged by democrats to raise rates on the megawealthy, they will have a tough time resisting. for the record, president obama's position sounds much more in line with senator sanders' way of thinking. >> there are some tough things that have to be done, but there's a way of doing this that does not hurt middle class families, that does not hurt our seniors, doesn't hurt families with disabled kids. >> let's bring in ruth conif, political editor for the progressive magazine. also with us tonight, e.j. dionne, msnbc contributor, "washington post" columnist and author of the book "our divided political heart." great to have both of you with us tonight. ruth, you first. you know, this could set up to be a moment of real disappointment for liberals if the democrat

's about to happen in this building in an hour from now.speakerboehner, senatormcconnell, senator reid, democratic leader pelosi, all will come here and speak for a couple hours. day one of negotiations. nobody is expecting huge news but as jim has already tweeted out this morning, the market is going to look for signs that this tone of compromise that we've heard so much about all week long is that for real or are talks going to break down in early stages? the market specifically is going to depend on that tone today and we'll bring that live when the meeting happens a little after 10:00 a.m. >> we've seen reaction of futures to the possibility of a deal. we've been down for six of the past seven days but the dow this morning implied open is up 33 points. sapp looks s&p looks to add fiv. here we have italy down three-quarter percent and mixed bag for the rest. carl? okay. we're going to go to the road map this morning. that is where carl is in washington d.c. reports this morning that hard decisions surrounding deficit reduction could be kicked down the road until 2013 in favor of a s

connell, who's the senate minority leader, he's taking a tougher stand thanevenboehner. let'slisten to both of those positions. >> let's be clear. an opening bid of $1.6 trillion in new taxes just isn't serious. it's more than simpson/bowles or any other bipartisan commission has called for. it's been unanimously rejected in the house and senate. it's twice as much as the white house agreed to last summer during the debt ceiling talks, and looked at in the context of the spending cuts yet to be implemented, it amounts to about 20 cents in cuts for every new dollar in tax hikes. in other words, no cuts at all. it's a joke. a joke. >> we right away say 98% of americans are not going to see their taxes go up. 97% of small businesses are not going to see their taxes go up. if we get that in place, we are actually removing half of the fiscal cliff. half of the danger to our economy is removed by that single step. >> okay. so is it a joke, or as the democrats would say, the math isn't adding up? let's look at the issue of deficit reduction. the democrats say the -- let's say if you cut loopholes

standing next tojohnboehner? >>and mitch mcconnell -- >> and mitch mcconnell by the way. right. >> the president is in a different position now. re-elected by a pretty impressive margin than he was the last time he tried to forge a deal that collapsed. >> right. that was the debt ceiling. he had a real problem with that with the grand bargain. he also had after the 2010 midterms when he had a lame duck session of congress and he had to give on keeping the tax cuts for the wealthy. this is a president right now who believes he's got some leverage. he got re-elected. and these are republicans who are trying to figure out just who they are and what they stand for. and as you saw in the president's press conference earlier this week, he's somebody who studied the flaws of a second term. what he wants to do is make some progress without overreaching. it's very clear they're worried at the white house about doing some overreach here. if he can get a fiscal deal done, that will be very, very important for his legacy in the long-term. and he knows it. >> are the republicans operating f

fromjohnboehnerand-- >> yeah,fromboehneriam. the president has now painted himself -- painted those guys in to -- how many times has he drawn a line in the sand about that high right on 250. he's made a point and he can't possibly go back on that now, can he? >> i think he can. look, i think he's drawing a line on getting money from those people, there people making 250 and above. but he hasn't drawn a line on how he gets that money. he's said at his news conference i'm skeptical that you can do enough in loopholes and exclusions to get the money that we need for a deal from that group. but he also said i'm open to new ideas. so if there is in fact an effort to close some loopholes that gets you some of the way there, you can certainly see the president, i could anyway, compromising somewhere between 35 and 39.6 on a slightly higher rate. if shall be caomebody came up w source of revenue which didn't change the distribution of the tax burden, figure out a way to do it without a top rate. i kind of expect what's going to happen is loophole closing and you end up at like 37 ors

leaders to avoid the fiscalcliff.boehnerandmcconnel and nancy pelosi and harry reed reed. without a deal billions of tax increases go into affect january 1st. and those are your head lines. i would like to be a fly on the wall for that meeting. >> brian: there is shock waves across the markets. coming in way above expectations, remember that explanation. hurricane sandy's fault. everyone gets fired when a hurricane hits? what kind of logic is that. >> a crash scene with a baby girl trapped in the twisted metal. but you haven't seen the hero that jumped inside to save her, he's coming up this hour. [ male announcer ] when was the last time something made your jaw drop? campbell's has 24 new soups that will make it drop over, and over again. ♪ from jammin' jerk chicken, to creamy gouda bisque. see what's new from campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. it's a new way to get cash back deals, and it's called bankamerideals! i sign into my online banking... click the "cash back deals tab"... and pick the deals i want. i just use my bank of america debit or credit card when i pay,

years later, what moment are we inasboehnerenters?>> this is a magic moment, i really do. it is a moment when our generation has a chance to do something about this problem that we created. it is our generation that got us into this mess, and we ought to get ourselves out. we got a good chance. you got a second-term democrat president who has come out and said he is willing to put entitlements on the table. big deal. you've got a speaker, a republican speaker, who really gets at, who really understands the depths of the problems we face, and he has come out and said we are going to put revenues on the table. big move. he got at least half the members of the senate already saying they will support a balanced plan, which makes a lot of sense. we have got the business community lined up firmly against -- for doing something smart, and i guess most importantly, we got this fiscal cliff where if we go over it, we are going to face the most predictable economic crisis in history. fortunately for all of us, it is also the most of voidable. this is the magic moment to get somethi

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