spamdog:HideAndGoFarkYourself: No. According to every legitimate source around, Hussein was inside the spider hole when found.

I remember some reporter on CNN at the time had obviously been given some conflicting information, and she suggested that there was a taxi in the spiderhole with him!

This gave me some really confusing imagery. Was the taxi buried or something? Was there a small tunnel leading into one of the windows or something?

Of course later it came out that he was just hiding in an inconspicuous suburban home and it all made a lot more sense then!

That makes more sense than the Wiki entry on the topic.

"Items confiscated during the raid include two AK-47 rifles, a pistol, $750,000.00 U.S. dollars and one white/orange taxi. Two other individuals who have not been identified were also detained. There were no casualties in the operation."

this country has picked a significant fight on average every 4 years since the Spanish-American war.there have been maybe two military interventions we have undertaken in the last century that we didn't actively choose to become a belligerent, but rather were the innocent victims.

heck, since my first memories as a small child thirty years ago these interventions I can recall:

that's 13, in 30 years, and only one of those was provoked. and we've been doing this for a century.If you go into the service assuming you will be defending America from an existential threat, you are just a straight up ignoramus.

This once great nation used to be populated by people who didn't just sit back and take it on the chin when power (government or corporate) decided to put the screws to them. Had Iraq 2 happened in the early 1900s, you can rest assured that a ragtag assortment of labor unions, farmers, intellectuals, and political muckrakers would have been out in the streets rioting; demanding to know why the working class was sent off to die so the elites could fatten their billfolds.

Instead, we not only re-elected the cretins who plunged this country headfirst into war profiteering (which is all Iraq 2 was), but we completely swore off any investigative or punitive measures in the aftermath to punish those responsible. Obama has made it clear that there will be no prosecutions of anyone in the Bush administration. Your weak countrymen have responded to this with a resounding "meh".

You can't blame power seekers for not giving a fark about you, soldier. They've always been that way and they always will be. But you CAN blame your countrymen for being derelict in their duty (namely, not holding these "elected" leaders' feet to the fire when necessary).

I have a crazy idea that would make a lot of people happy, order an arrest warrant for George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and Karl Rove for their involvement in ordering a war that should have never happened.

Operation Iraqi Freedom documents are some 48,000 boxes of documents, audiotapes and videotapes that were discovered by the U.S. military during the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

During an interview with Committee staff, the lead DIA analyst who follows the issue of possible connections between the Iraqi government and al-Qa'ida noted that the DIA 'continues to maintain that there was no partnership between the two organizations'.

The study also cites documents demonstrating that key evidence presented by Colin Powell to the United Nations in February 2003 had been severely misinterpreted by the U.S. government.

The study's findings represent the analysis of many of the Iraqi Freedom documents and related interviews. In particular, the project concluded that: (1) Saddam's secretive and authoritarian government, together with his paranoia, rendered the Iraqi army grossly unprepared for conflict with coalition forces; (2) Saddam grossly miscalculated the ability of his contacts with the Russian, French, Chinese and other governments to prevent military action against Iraq, and (3) although Iraq almost certainly did not possess weapons of mass destruction, Saddam's desire to preserve ambiguity on the issue, together with his government's secrecy and previous attempts to deceive UN inspectors made it difficult for Iraq to convince the world that it had disarmed.

Many of the documents seem to make clear that Saddam's regime had given up on seeking a WMD capability by the mid-1990s. As AP reported, "Repeatedly in the transcripts, Saddam and his lieutenants remind each other that Iraq destroyed its chemical and biological weapons in the early 1990s, and shut down those programs and the nuclear-bomb program, which had never produced a weapon." At one 1996 presidential meeting, top weapons program official Amer Mohammed Rashid, describes his conversation with UN weapons inspector Rolf Ekeus: "We don't have anything to hide, so we're giving you all the details." At another meeting Saddam told his deputies, "We cooperated with the resolutions 100 percent and you all know that, and the 5 percent they claim we have not executed could take them 10 years to (verify). Don't think for a minute that we still have WMD. We have nothing."

Generation_D:When do the easily deluded, easily conned followers get their share of the blame/credit for the military debacles of history?

Never. Its always those poor noble men and women who were led astray.

I wonder what you get out of framing it this way. Even I knew in 2003 invading Iraq was stupid; just about everyone I knew and talked to at the time did. But somehow, there were people in my group of friends who joined anyway. Apparently their reasoning is not something you are capable of understanding and in fact feel the need to crap on.... which frankly says more about you than them.

pkt729:I have a crazy idea that would make a lot of people happy, order an arrest warrant for George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and Karl Rove for their involvement in ordering a war that should have never happened.

middleoftheday:I wonder what you get out of framing it this way. Even I knew in 2003 invading Iraq was stupid; just about everyone I knew and talked to at the time did. But somehow, there were people in my group of friends who joined anyway. Apparently their reasoning is not something you are capable of understanding and in fact feel the need to crap on.... which frankly says more about you than them.

Deciding to join in with something dangerous and stupid isn't reasoning, it's rationalization.

Al Queda, as we knew it, is over. Most of this was accomplished via banking regulations and local government crackdowns.We left Saudi, and moved a permanent residence into Afghanistan/Iraq, stabilizing the Saudi King's seat of powerThe separation of powers between congress and the presidency were further muddiedThe U.S.A.P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act is now a thing and will never go away.Being "Patriotic" is now an acceptable excuse to be dumb.

As if there was any comparison. Sheesh. Jimmy Carter was probably more of a war criminal.

Obama's administration is worse than Bush's in some ways. They are more prone to prosecuting whistle blowers, decline to prosecute bankers (HSBC) who wittingly launder money for drug cartels and Iran (Iran!), routinely seek to extend and expand the NDAA, expand drone warfare and so-called lily-pad bases to carry out extra-judicial killings and assassinations on their own authority throughout the Middle East and Africa. Obama is cool because he thinks you should have access to health insurance and everyone should quit picking on the gays. On the other hand, a few years ago he went to India as part of a trade PR tour and his personal guest of honor was the CEO of the company that makes the back scatter x-ray machines for use in air ports. In short, don't kid yourself. Obama is charming, but he's not a good guy.

pkt729:I have a crazy idea that would make a lot of people happy, order an arrest warrant for George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and Karl Rove for their involvement in ordering a war that should have never happened.

we should have assassinated him, but ultimately the US was responsible for Saddam because we gave him the weapons and money he was using to kill and suppress his own people. we gave him these things to kill iranians of course, and that was just another example of crappy foreign policy....

muck4doo:pkt729: I have a crazy idea that would make a lot of people happy, order an arrest warrant for George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and Karl Rove for their involvement in ordering a war that should have never happened.

hurrr hurrr hurrr yeah!

It might restore some faith in America from the rest of the world.

I live in China. Most expats and locals have this "how could the most powerful country be so dumb" attitude about the whole affair.

It's like realizing you left the keys to the car with your five year old.

pkt729:I have a crazy idea that would make a lot of people happy, order an arrest warrant for George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and Karl Rove for their involvement in ordering a war that should have never happened.

Better idea, arrest all republicans! They stand in our way of the brave new world we want to bring!

muck4doo:pkt729: I have a crazy idea that would make a lot of people happy, order an arrest warrant for George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and Karl Rove for their involvement in ordering a war that should have never happened.

hurrr hurrr hurrr yeah!

I bet you STILL think you were right in supporting the war, don't you, sucker. Politicians count on people like you.

muck4doo:pkt729: I have a crazy idea that would make a lot of people happy, order an arrest warrant for George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and Karl Rove for their involvement in ordering a war that should have never happened.

Better idea, arrest all republicans! They stand in our way of the brave new world we want to bring!

You mean smart people? You're right, smart people do have a dream of a world not overrun with drooling suckers such as yourself.

pkt729:I have a crazy idea that would make a lot of people happy, order an arrest warrant for George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and Karl Rove for their involvement in ordering a war that should have never happened.

Obama should have done this. That's not my crazy liberal fantasy -- if he was really any different than Bush, he would have told the Republicans (and half the Democrats) to shut the fark up and used his entire first term dragging this thing into daylight, no matter where it led.

He'd have been a one-termer for sure, but it would have done more long-term good than anything else he's been up to. This bullshiat will never stop until a rich guy goes to the chair for war crimes.

Confabulat:muck4doo: pkt729: I have a crazy idea that would make a lot of people happy, order an arrest warrant for George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and Karl Rove for their involvement in ordering a war that should have never happened.

Better idea, arrest all republicans! They stand in our way of the brave new world we want to bring!

You mean smart people? You're right, smart people do have a dream of a world not overrun with drooling suckers such as yourself.

Confabulat:muck4doo: pkt729: I have a crazy idea that would make a lot of people happy, order an arrest warrant for George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and Karl Rove for their involvement in ordering a war that should have never happened.

hurrr hurrr hurrr yeah!

I bet you STILL think you were right in supporting the war, don't you, sucker. Politicians count on people like you.

Do you still think you are "right" for supporting your political side so the other guys don't win? Instead of making sure that every one of those farkers is voted out of office?

Confabulat:muck4doo: log_jammin: muck4doo: Good thing you got it back on point

"I know you are but what am i"

Straight to getting back to the point.

Confabulat: muck4doo: pkt729: I have a crazy idea that would make a lot of people happy, order an arrest warrant for George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and Karl Rove for their involvement in ordering a war that should have never happened.

hurrr hurrr hurrr yeah!

I bet you STILL think you were right in supporting the war, don't you, sucker. Politicians count on people like you.

I didn't vote on it. Did you?

No, but I didn't spend years on Fark arguing why it was a good idea either.

History has already proven you wrong. Why can't you be man enough to apologize?

Sorry, didn't realize i spent years on fark arguing for it. But forget all that, time to wipe out people with differing views! It's the Confabulat way.

So you join the military. Get sick. Now pissed that you where expected to fight im a military action because well you joined the military. So today's military is just the post office. A bunch of guys that dont want to work. Dont want to do the job they volunteered for. Pick and choose what orders to follow. Well its definitely an example of the past few generations. Im sorry your sick. Im sorry your going out this way. I know your mad this is the way your going out. But grow a pair.

And get over it. This has been Obama war for what 5 years now. Has he pulled all the troops out no. And this war crimes crap needs to go away.

As if there was any comparison. Sheesh. Jimmy Carter was probably more of a war criminal.

Obama's administration is worse than Bush's in some ways. They are more prone to prosecuting whistle blowers, decline to prosecute bankers (HSBC) who wittingly launder money for drug cartels and Iran (Iran!), routinely seek to extend and expand the NDAA, expand drone warfare and so-called lily-pad bases to carry out extra-judicial killings and assassinations on their own authority throughout the Middle East and Africa. Obama is cool because he thinks you should have access to health insurance and everyone should quit picking on the gays. On the other hand, a few years ago he went to India as part of a trade PR tour and his personal guest of honor was the CEO of the company that makes the back scatter x-ray machines for use in air ports. In short, don't kid yourself. Obama is charming, but he's not a good guy.

Exactly. You're describing a normal POTUS vs. war criminals. There is no real comparison. Not that it's apples to oranges, that it's 1000:1 on the bullshiat scale. But thanks for insulting me by suggesting i'm a starry-eyed moron. Which, btw, i have found in exactly zero Obama supporters, as it is another right-wing fantasy.

kombi:So you join the military. Get sick. Now pissed that you where expected to fight im a military action because well you joined the military. So today's military is just the post office. A bunch of guys that dont want to work. Dont want to do the job they volunteered for. Pick and choose what orders to follow. Well its definitely an example of the past few generations. Im sorry your sick. Im sorry your going out this way. I know your mad this is the way your going out. But grow a pair.

And get over it. This has been Obama war for what 5 years now. Has he pulled all the troops out no. And this war crimes crap needs to go away.