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this is a discussion within the Everything Else Community Forum; This is a true but strange story which proves that misery can indeed repeat itself, that those unwilling to learn their lessons from history are doomed to repeat it.
Jimmy Carter was born in 1937, the year of the Ox.
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The names Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama each contain eleven letters,
The names Gerald Ford and George Bush each contain nine letters.

Barack Obama has a pet dog named Bo.
Jimmy Carter had a pet dog named Bozo.

Jimmy Carter is a distant cousin of Motown Records founder Berry Gordy.
Barack Obama is a distanced relation of countless half-brothers and half-sisters.

Jimmy Carter had an embarassing brother named Billy.
Barack Obama has an embarassing brother named Abongo.
The names Billy Carter and Abongo Obama each contain eleven letters.

Billy Carter had his own beer.
Barack Obama had his own beer summit.

Jimmy Carter pardoned draft dodgers and later re-instated the draft.
Barack Obama claimed to have registered for the draft a year before it was re-instated.

Both President Carter and President Obama bailed out automobile manufacturers.

Both President Carter and President Obama were concerned with the issue of nationalizing health care coverage.

Both President Carter and President Obama chided Americans to get over setting the thermostat at whatever temperature they wanted.

Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama opposed Gitmo and the war against Saddam Hussein and supported Hugo Chavez.

In 2000, Carter severed ties with the Southern Baptist Convention, saying the group’s doctrines did not align with his Christian beliefs.
In 2000, Obama severed ties with the Trinity United Church of Christ, saying he could no more distance himself from Jeremiah Wright than he could disown an uncle.

Jimmy Carter was voted out of office with a 34% approval rating and a rising misery index.

President Ronald Reagan once said, “A recession is when your neighbor is out of work, a depression is when you are out of work, and a recovery happens when Jimmy Carter is out of work.” He also said that facts are funny things.

Seriously. Let's go over some of the missteps of the previous administration. 9/11. Going into Iraq without proof. Taxes had only been cut one time in U.S. history before 2003 with the Bush tax cuts and the Iraq/Afghanistan wars and that was 2001 WITH THE FIRST ROUND OF BUSH TAX CUTS AND THE WAR IN AFGHANISTAN. We also had a huge (whether you think it is justified or not) expansion of Medicare and we didn't pay for it. With that same Medicare expansion we also decided to give a huge "rent" to the pharmaceutical companies by not letting the government negotiate for better prices and instead agreeing to pay face value. The recession started on the G.W. Bush watch, whether you think it was his fault or not. The bailouts, the most people are united against, started under G.W. Bush.

Supply Side "Trickle Down" Economics does not work. President George H. W. Bush said as much when he was running for president when he called it "Voo Doo Economics." Bruce Bartlett, who's advised President Reagan and Congressman Ron Paul, says it does not work. Alan Greenspan, former FED chair and advocate for the Bush tax cuts, says they have to go.

Seriously. Let's go over some of the missteps of the previous administration. 9/11. Going into Iraq without proof. Taxes had only been cut one time in U.S. history before 2003 with the Bush tax cuts and the Iraq/Afghanistan wars and that was 2001 WITH THE FIRST ROUND OF BUSH TAX CUTS AND THE WAR IN AFGHANISTAN. We also had a huge (whether you think it is justified or not) expansion of Medicare and we didn't pay for it. With that same Medicare expansion we also decided to give a huge "rent" to the pharmaceutical companies by not letting the government negotiate for better prices and instead agreeing to pay face value. The recession started on the G.W. Bush watch, whether you think it was his fault or not. The bailouts, the most people are united against, started under G.W. Bush.

Supply Side "Trickle Down" Economics does not work. President George H. W. Bush said as much when he was running for president when he called it "Voo Doo Economics." Bruce Bartlett, who's advised President Reagan and Congressman Ron Paul, says it does not work. Alan Greenspan, former FED chair and advocate for the Bush tax cuts, says they have to go.

Let's get a back and forth on this. A discussion.

Whoa. A few points I'd like to make.

1) 9/11 was absolutely NOT a misstep of the Bush Administration. There is PLENTY of blame to go around. If you're talking about the actual act of 9/11, those seeds were planted by previous administrations, Republican and Democrat.

2) As for going in to Iraq without proof, lets us not forget that all the politicians who promote this 'no proof' accusation also voted to go in guns blazing. Every...Last...One of them. The information may not have been valid, however Bush didn't trump it up as you may have been led to believe. At best it was a failure of intelligence sources including but not exclusive to the United States'. Personally, I believe the United Nations gave Sadam ample time to get 'set up' for an appropriate denial. But that's just me.

4) The 'recession' started on Bush's watch? Are out of your mind? Once again, the recession is the product of many failures, both Republican and Democrat and reaches all the way back to the Carter Administration.

My suggestion is to look beyond the spin machine through which so many people are indoctrinated. Trickle down? Trickle up? People much smarter than you or I can't agree. I can type someone else's mantra just as easily as the next guy.

I'm not "blaming" Bush for Medicare. I'm blaming him and congress for passing it without paying for it and for giving a handout to the pharmaceutical industry.

These things are irrelevant at this point. Let's talk about how to fix our problems. I'll start:

Both sides talk about getting rid of loopholes and taking the corporate tax rate down from 35% to 25-28%. That's ok with me but it won't do much to create jobs. We could do that and then say that if you (the corporation) create a certain number or percentage of jobs in this country, as opposed to elsewhere, then you can get you rate down from 28% to 18%. Then we can allow them to take advantage of a couple of breaks that we know work, like R&D and depreciation of equipment, and you can get your rate down to about 12.5%. That 12.5% would equal, I believe, Ireland as one of, if not the, lowest in the world. But 12.5% is the rock bottom. No refunds and no handouts to the corporations.

I'm not "blaming" Bush for Medicare. I'm blaming him and congress for passing it without paying for it and for giving a handout to the pharmaceutical industry.

These things are irrelevant at this point. Let's talk about how to fix our problems. I'll start:

Both sides talk about getting rid of loopholes and taking the corporate tax rate down from 35% to 25-28%. That's ok with me but it won't do much to create jobs. We could do that and then say that if you (the corporation) create a certain number or percentage of jobs in this country, as opposed to elsewhere, then you can get you rate down from 28% to 18%. Then we can allow them to take advantage of a couple of breaks that we know work, like R&D and depreciation of equipment, and you can get your rate down to about 12.5%. That 12.5% would equal, I believe, Ireland as one of, if not the, lowest in the world. But 12.5% is the rock bottom. No refunds and no handouts to the corporations.

Your thoughts.

I believe you have to force companies to do something in return before you give them taxbreaks, otherwise that will just lead to increased profit which will go directly to owners/shareholders and thats not what the economy needs anywhere right now.