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Voice chats, social scripts

Adapted from the Fallible Ideas Discord Chat (link at the end of this page)

Cleaned up the formatting and edited a bit to remove off topic stuff and some typos

robert loserierh
Hey does anyone wanna meet in the voice chat

JustinCEO
Nah

internetrules
why in voice chat and not just text chat?

robert loserierh
I like talking better

internetrules
i think that is something you should try to change, idk how you would change that tho

internetrules
what do you like about voice more than text?

JustinCEO
With text it is way easier to quote and look back

internetrules
maybe you type slow, so you dont want to type as much?

JustinCEO
Text is more asynchronous by default. People expect voice chats to have a certain kinda constant flow

JustinCEO
Sometimes people want that in text too but much less so

internetrules
you have to always pay attention to voice chat, and if your not, people have to repeat them selfs

JustinCEO
I had a friend who I used to talk to on voice a lot, and I would get annoyed if they would afk especially if it was sudden

JustinCEO
Cuz it was like bumping up against my expectations of what voice chats should be like, politeness etc

JustinCEO
There are legit reasons to do voice chat like, you are walking somewhere and can’t text (even then audio messages in a text chat can be better). Or you want to comment live on something

JustinCEO
It’s good voice chat exists and it has cases

JustinCEO
But people’s preference for it is often a social vibe kinda thing

JustinCEO
And not based on considering relative merits of different means of communication

JustinCEO
even talking about this kinda stuff can bother a lot of people. Wanting to voice chat is a totally socially normal thing. Doing a bunch of analysis of the merits of voice vs text and then coming to a different conclusion than the normal one is the sort of thing that can strike people as really weird

JustinCEO
It’s signaling to people a certain confidence in your own judgment that strikes them as arrogant

JustinCEO

“Tell me, Miss Taggart, what’s going to support a seven-thousand-ton train on a three-thousand-ton bridge?”
“My judgment,” she answered.

JustinCEO
Challenging social scripts can seem threatening to people in almost a visceral way

JustinCEO
Like they can have a very deep negative reaction to it

JustinCEO
If you don’t comply with a social script but it’s read as incompetence that’s very different. They might still be outwardly polite while judging you

JustinCEO
But if you actually challenge stuff directly, that’s different

JustinCEO
Can get ugly

internetrules
in what way can it get ugly?

mister_person
talking is faster than typing for most people

internetrules
thats a thing that can be changed

internetrules
you can practice touch typing

internetrules
and getting faster at it, and get apps to train you to touch type

internetrules
i currently have a weird hybrid method of typing, but can also switch to touch typing, im alot slower at touch typing than my current hybrid method, but with more practice i can get alot faster

mister_person
I type 80-90 wpm, but I can talk way faster than that

mister_person
most people can’t type at >100 wpm

mister_person
it takes a lot of practice to get as fast as you can talk

internetrules
its still better to type even if you are slower at it, cuz it keeps a record of what you and other people have said, and you can do it at different times.

internetrules
im repeating what me/justin has said, and i dont even know if you disagree with that statement.

JustinCEO
re getting ugly, ppl might get mad if you explain you think birthdays are silly and then don’t wish them a happy birthday on their birthday. they might take it as like u not liking or appreciating them or something. or if u explain to grandma her grandkid doesn’t like hugs and kisses when grandma is coming for holidays, grandma will think u aren’t raising ur kid right

JustinCEO
people should learn to type faster but like, people should also kinda slow down in another sense. the issue for a lot of people is not an inability to get all their great thoughts down quick enough but a lack of sufficient thinking that goes into the thoughts in the first place. lots of people could benefit a ton from higher thinking-time-to-output ratio. with typing you can pause, reflect, take a break, edit, before sending stuff. so that is good.

JustinCEO
with voice the default expectation is u take turns saying a stream of not-very-well-considered stuff

JustinCEO
some people who are thinkers might have done a lot of thinking on some point in advance, and so when it comes up they can talk about it extemporaneously in a meaningful way

JustinCEO
and a few especially good thinkers can “think on their feet” and say interesting stuff even when dealing with something that’s pretty novel

JustinCEO
but for like the vast majority of people that’s not rly the case

JustinCEO
my real time voice reply to internetrules’ question about getting ugly would have been worse cuz it took me a minute to come up with the birthday example. i came up with the grandmother thing right away. but if we were talking on voice i might not have had time to think of another example, conversation might have drifted to other topic, whatever.

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curi

talking is faster than typing for most people

curi
for virtually everyone

curi
even if u type 120 wpm, some website says avg ppl talk at 125-150 wpm. and i’ve found audio books, which sound slow, are often near 150 or more.