Not to down play this guy's "achievements ", but it seems all he has to show from his life is his "chiseled, lean muscle". Maybe if he spent more time on his education /career/better employment opportunities/family, he wouldn't be a 52 yr old "dirt poor" guy.

That's too much hate on the guy, who cares what he does (did) with his life outside bodybuilding ?While I think he's a bit "weird".... I give him credit for staying in shape, always abs visible we know how hard is that specially as you get older, plus not having the structure for bb (short torso) he had the desire and went 100% after.... Something to admire and be proud of.

Here's my advice.

1-Maybe if you (John) place your pants a bit lower (your toso won't look so funky) 2- Stop calling yourself Natural Mr.Olympia, not even Jay or Ronnie,Dexter, or Philsulin called themselves MR.O and everyone calls themselves NATURAL in this business...maybe thats why people can't take you seriously.... I don't mean to be disrespectful, youre a nice guy I'm just being honest.

Not to down play this guy's "achievements ", but it seems all he has to show from his life is his "chiseled, lean muscle". Maybe if he spent more time on his education /career/better employment opportunities/family, he wouldn't be a 52 yr old "dirt poor" guy.

No shit.

Completely not the point of my post, or the thread. We're speaking about genetic limitations here, Not what this gym rat should have done with his life instead of bodybuilding.

1-Maybe if you (John) place your pants a bit lower (your toso won't look so funky) 2- Stop calling yourself Natural Mr.Olympia, not even Jay or Ronnie,Dexter, or Philsulin called themselves MR.O and everyone calls themselves NATURAL in this business...maybe thats why people can't take you seriously....

The pants thing is to hide looseness below and around belly button area

Natural is the whole point. That's how he's made a name in bbing. Otherwise wouldn't feature

This is a life-long juicer. Without the "natural" qualifier what would he be? Just anotheraverage juicer with a huge ribcage. Well he's still not much but apparently he gets at least a little recognition out of his lying.

This is a life-long juicer. Without the "natural" qualifier what would he be? Just anotheraverage juicer with a huge ribcage. Well he's still not much but apparently he gets at least a little recognition out of his lying.

Look at the hormones dripping out his skin.

Just another Faildo, Moody, Willet, LaCour, etc.

Pure speculation. You, just like every other doubter, have no proof. Just another guy spouting his opinion (just like I'm doing too I suppose.) There are genetic freaks that exist out there. Mostly it's black dudes but an occasional white guy gets lucky. Ive seen John in real life recently. In clothes, he is UNIMPRESSIVE. Just like Juan Morel in clothes wasnt that impressive either, but when the shirt comes off its lights out. Bodybuilding is about ILLUSION. You guys are like conspiracy theorists, I swear. Someone's always out to get you, to trick you!

This is a life-long juicer. Without the "natural" qualifier what would he be? Just anotheraverage juicer with a huge ribcage. Well he's still not much but apparently he gets at least a little recognition out of his lying.

Look at the hormones dripping out his skin.

Just another Faildo, Moody, Willet, LaCour, etc.

Willet. That's the name I couldn't remember. Jeff willet, him and skip are amazing naturals! Weird how willet's muscle disappeared when he stopped his natural training and diet. That must've been some serious training, because the muscle-wasting that took place is reminiscent of drug users off cycle.

Must be because their superior hard training and diet has drug-like anabolic effectsShouldn't their superior genetics aid in holding on to their natural muscle mass?I mean, if you are able to make drug-like gains as a natural, even if you don't weight train, you're gonna be some kind of freak, IMO

Willet. That's the name I couldn't remember. Jeff willet, him and skip are amazing naturals! Weird how willet's muscle disappeared when he stopped his natural training and diet. That must've been some serious training, because the muscle-wasting that took place is reminiscent of drug users off cycle.

Must be because their superior hard training and diet has drug-like anabolic effectsShouldn't their superior genetics aid in holding on to their natural muscle mass?I mean, if you are able to make drug-like gains as a natural, even if you don't weight train, you're gonna be some kind of freak, IMO

Most people's muscles disappear when they stop training or dieting. I've seen this with myself when i got injured and many people I know

Pure speculation. You, just like every other doubter, have no proof. Just another guy spouting his opinion (just like I'm doing too I suppose.) There are genetic freaks that exist out there. Mostly it's black dudes but an occasional white guy gets lucky. Ive seen John in real life recently. In clothes, he is UNIMPRESSIVE. Just like Juan Morel in clothes wasnt that impressive either, but when the shirt comes off its lights out. Bodybuilding is about ILLUSION. You guys are like conspiracy theorists, I swear. Someone's always out to get you, to trick you!

There is no conspiracy and no speculation on my part. But there is an industry built on liesand bullshit. It's fitting that this guy was (is?) sponsored by Muscletech.

Pure speculation. You, just like every other doubter, have no proof. Just another guy spouting his opinion (just like I'm doing too I suppose.) There are genetic freaks that exist out there. Mostly it's black dudes but an occasional white guy gets lucky. Ive seen John in real life recently. In clothes, he is UNIMPRESSIVE. Just like Juan Morel in clothes wasnt that impressive either, but when the shirt comes off its lights out. Bodybuilding is about ILLUSION. You guys are like conspiracy theorists, I swear. Someone's always out to get you, to trick you!

I totally agree with you. You have to eat a ton of calories to get big naturally, especially if you are young with a fast metabolism and an ectomorph. I did the same thing for two years when I was 20-21 to gain weight and get bigger. A lot of young kids today always want to be ripped and have the abs but you can't do that and get big at the same time. A lot of these guys think the only way to get bigger is to take steroids but they can get big too if they eat more.

STFU you lying piece of shit, this is Getbig not BB.com you fucking fag.

Pure speculation. You, just like every other doubter, have no proof. Just another guy spouting his opinion (just like I'm doing too I suppose.) There are genetic freaks that exist out there. Mostly it's black dudes but an occasional white guy gets lucky. Ive seen John in real life recently. In clothes, he is UNIMPRESSIVE. Just like Juan Morel in clothes wasnt that impressive either, but when the shirt comes off its lights out. Bodybuilding is about ILLUSION. You guys are like conspiracy theorists, I swear. Someone's always out to get you, to trick you!

Just take a look at the vascularity,veins and thickness in forearms.........