Rashford has played roughly the same minutes/game as last season (45-48) so you can't say that it's really development for him, I'm sure he would want more minutes in later seasons. That number drops much lower since the arrival of Sanchez (Liverpool was his first start), and that's exactly the situation people refer to when saying that Mourinho doesn't generally favour the development of younger players. With a player like Rashford, who is being played on the left wing more, was it really necessary to sign Sanchez?

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Number of appearances isn't really the right metric to gauge development, particularly when that number is really quite high.

Rashford played a lot up to the end of the year, probably a bit too much really. Yes, he's had less opportunities in recent weeks but perhaps his form was such that he needed a bit of a rest. He comes back into the starting lineup and look what happens - that's an endorsement of his time out, not a reason to criticise.

I'd suggest he'll develop a lot more by learning from players like Sanchez than he will have done by being played every week, irrespective of form.

I do agree, however, that we need to continue to develop him. That'll be happening away from competitive games as well.

I agree and that is something that has changed from the time Sir Alex started though I still disagree with the part where someone mentioned that Sir Alex was the same as Mourinho (I remember him playing Fletcher a lot during the 04-06 seasons when he was pretty much deridded by everyone because there was clearly talent in him).

Football has become a lot more short sighted with the aim being immediate results rather than longer term success, though, a question can be would Mourinho ever do what Sir Alex did in 94-95 when he sold Ince, Kanschelskis, Hughes and brought in Beckham, Scholes and Neville? Those kids were obviously talented but few would've thought they were ready for consistent first team football at that time, it was about taking a risk and playing them with the long term future of United in mind.

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In 2004/06 we weren't winning things and SAF had sufficient capital stored up that it didn't matter. United also had sufficient experience and talent available that it could afford to let Fletcher and indeed Ronaldo and Rooney grow up without risking our CL place.

As for those sales in 94/95. It was a one-off. One of those perfect moments when suddenly possibilities opened up because we had exceptional young players ready simultaneously. We've seen Mourinho clear out squad players like Depay, Schneiderlin, Shweinsteiger and indeed Rooney to leave space for players.

I'm not talking about playing him off the bench, the talent that Rashford has he would've been starting under most managers, either as a LW or ST. And the point regarding De Bruyne, Salah etc was to make a general point that he doesn't play youngsters who he doesn't think perform to high level at that moment, other managers though would've persisted with them more.

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Which managers? De Bruyne needed another couple of years in Wolfsburg before he was ready to start at City and a couple of years at City before he was a starter for a (soon to be) title winner. Salah spent three years in Italy (not winning trophies) before joining Liverpool. When you look at modern managers who mostly don't get past three year contracts, players get starts for title contenders when they're ready to get starts for title contenders.

I somehow feel that it has changed at United, even in the last years of Sir Alex at United when we bought Van Persie when we had Welbeck. In the past though I did feel we persisted with talented younger/youth players even if there may have been better options elsewhere.

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We would have one less title, for sure. I get the point you're trying to make but that's a terrible example.

We would have one less title, for sure. I get the point you're trying to make but that's a terrible example.

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We finished the title winning season with the exact same number of points that we had achieved the previous season with Welbeck as our starting striker. We scored 3 fewer goals yet finished first. What changed is that City finished with 11 fewer points.

That squad had tons of players that could get goals for us. Hernandez's goals per 90 mins ratio was far superior to RVP's.

We finished the title winning season with the exact same number of points that we had achieved the previous season with Welbeck as our starting striker. We scored 3 fewer goals yet finished first. What changed is that City finished with 11 fewer points.

That squad had tons of players that could get goals for us. Hernandez's goals per 90 mins ratio was far superior to RVP's.

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We took the foot off the gas because we had the title wrapped up so soon. If any team had been close to us to put on the pressure our points total in 2012/13 would have been higher.

We would have never won the league title in SAF last season without RVP. This season was all about RVP, Chicharito and SAF being genius in covering the cracks. There were some other outstanding players as Carrick and Rafael but RVP and Chicharito were saving us a lot up front.

We finished the title winning season with the exact same number of points that we had achieved the previous season with Welbeck as our starting striker. We scored 3 fewer goals yet finished first. What changed is that City finished with 11 fewer points.

That squad had tons of players that could get goals for us. Hernandez's goals per 90 mins ratio was far superior to RVP's.

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He scored 9 league goals the previous season and managed 2 the season RvP came in....

Not only that, but when he came on he was trying too hard, shooting every quarter chance he got when he should be playing people in. He looked well off. His decision-making was pretty shoddy for quite a while. Hopefully he's turned a corner now and regained his composure.

It is his quote after all. I don't what the fuss is about. Anyway, I've changed it. Hope it's okay now.

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Yup, it's Jose's quote nicknaming himself sarcastically. I'm fine with the prev title, no biggie but I can see why many would feel triggered by it as it can easily sounds inappropriate, misleading and some people didn't know Jose said it referring to himself.

Alternatively: Mourinho the "monster that kills little kids" or Mourinho = the monster that kills little kids. Both sounds safer, but nevermind, what's done is done.

The management of the academy and young players done with Mourinho in charge so far, have been arguably very good.

It's not just the players that are involved with the first team, but as does the young players who are not.

Ever since last season, all of the young players are pretty much not wasting their time.
-Last season can be debated to still have disorganization in managing the youngsters, understandably since there are new guys in charge with both Mourinho and Nicky Butt and their staffs, but this season is much much more efficient.
--This season instead, we see...

few young players remain who can be more involved and contribute: Rashford, McTominay, Shaw, Martial.

the rest of the academy players will at times training and travelled with the first team squad, even given some chances of game times: Gomes, O'hara, Hamilton, etc.

players who are not but highly rated and can be considered to have broken through to the first team are all send out on loan: Tuanzebe, Mitchell, TFM, Pereira.

if the young players request more game times and loans, they are given: A. Pereira (Mourinho wants him to stay).

Mitchell and Tuanzebe stay 1st half of the season in consideration to our LB and CB situations where it's possible they may gain more game times.

players who may not be rated and have lower chance of breaking through are all send out on loan if there are interest: Wilson, CBJ, Willock, Johnstone, etc.

each young players I'm sure are being help to find clubs that may be interested in loaning them, preferably good environment eg. TFM with CP in EPL, Tuanzebe with Villa training with 2 best CBs of the game.

if they fail in their loans, they'll be recall and help next: CBJ back to play with the reserves.

if they request transfer, will be granted: Harrop, Januzaj, etc.

It's different than during the reign of LVG, where there are quite a big number of youngsters on waiting list so to speak involved with the first team squad, but barely playing or given some chance then when they performed horribly are out next game, not permitted to be sent out on loan, etc. Some of the referred young players: McNair, Varela, A. Pereira, etc.

Credits to the manager, and the current youth/academy coaches and staffs too.

We would have one less title, for sure. I get the point you're trying to make but that's a terrible example.

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It's looking at it in hindsight that Welbeck turned out to be an average player but I'm speaking from the point of view of 2012 when Welbeck came off a 9 goal, 4 assist season as a 20-21 year old and played a massive role in United almost winning the title. He not only showed he can be a consistent goalscorer (15+ a season) in the future but his link up play with Rooney and Nani was particularly impressive, so yes back in 2012 I would've wanted us to continue to develop Welbeck rather than buying RVP; but ofcourse in hindsight that turned out to be a good decision.

It's looking at it in hindsight that Welbeck turned out to be an average player but I'm speaking from the point of view of 2012 when Welbeck came off a 9 goal, 4 assist season as a 20-21 year old and played a massive role in United almost winning the title. He not only showed he can be a consistent goalscorer (15+ a season) in the future but his link up play with Rooney and Nani was particularly impressive, so yes back in 2012 I would've wanted us to continue to develop Welbeck rather than buying RVP; but ofcourse in hindsight that turned out to be a good decision.

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Well Welbeck played a hell of a lot the season RvP came in and managed 2 goals. If Fergie had of trusted him enough, he wouldn't have felt the need to buy RvP. For me, Welbeck was never anywhere near good enough and Fergie definitely got the absolute best out of him.

Well Welbeck played a hell of a lot the season RvP came in and managed 2 goals. If Fergie had of trusted him enough, he wouldn't have felt the need to buy RvP. For me, Welbeck was never anywhere near good enough and Fergie definitely got the absolute best out of him.

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Welbeck played almost half the minutes he played the previous seasons (1293 vs 2014) so I wouldn't agree that he was trusted enough. Ofcourse in hindsight Sir Alex was right to make that decision though since Welbeck didn't end up as good as I thought he could be at that time.

People mouth off talking complete shite, in this case about Mourinho. It doesn’t stand up to the slightest scrutiny and is widely exposed as nonsense. The person carries on, regardless, peddling the same cliched rubbish and hides behind the popular narrative.

More people need to be called out and I’m actually glad Jose, himself, does it periodically.

Rashford will fail longterm if he is regarded as a permanent LW & so will martial.

The fact that Jose bought Sanchez and moved martial towards the right - shows that Jose is more about giving game time to rashford than particularly improving him by handing him out a proper position for him.

Rashford was great against Liverpool; finally scoring goals from his style of shooting that has only appeared this season and was largely unsuccessful thus far.
Yet there are fans talking about his shooting style having greatly improved- just after one game. How Jose has improved him by what exactly? Playing him at LW now?

Rashford will only reach his heights eventually as a CF. A simply comparison to someone like Stirling from the same country shows why he will struggle to play to even similar standards on the wider areas by comparing style of play.

Jose has not improved Rashford after one performance- he has

initially dropped him for zlatan from ST

Replaced Zlatan with Lukaky at ST

Moved Rashford to the right wing where he wasnt the best

Moved him to the left to compete with martial; again netiher are the best

Replaced the Left wingers with Sanchez who has only moved centrally due to his lack of form.

Ideally- the likes of martial, Rashford & lukaku should be playing in partnerships.

The only person who he has progressed is mctomminay & fair play to him for that; the other being Lingard by simply moving fro mthe right wing to central position which was always going to happen sooner than later.

He is not killing youngsters - but neither is he god's gift to them either - the dropping of tuenzebe for lindelof is similair to what he did with rashford & lukaku/ibrahimovic.

The reason alot of pundits have been talking about Rashford & Mourinho in particular is simple - They viewed him like many here as a player with the ability to be the leading striker of Manchester United. Because Jose cba to improve him as a striker, wait for him to reach the accepted level - even though rashford was fairly clinical in his breakout season; he has replaced him almost immediately.

Partnerships are the only thing that will save him in the long term. One game against liverpool does not change anything.

The management of the academy and young players done with Mourinho in charge so far, have been arguably very good.

It's not just the players that are involved with the first team, but as does the young players who are not.

Ever since last season, all of the young players are pretty much not wasting their time.
-Last season can be debated to still have disorganization in managing the youngsters, understandably since there are new guys in charge with both Mourinho and Nicky Butt and their staffs, but this season is much much more efficient.
--This season instead, we see...

few young players remain who can be more involved and contribute: Rashford, McTominay, Shaw, Martial.

the rest of the academy players will at times training and travelled with the first team squad, even given some chances of game times: Gomes, O'hara, Hamilton, etc.

players who are not but highly rated and can be considered to have broken through to the first team are all send out on loan: Tuanzebe, Mitchell, TFM, Pereira.

if the young players request more game times and loans, they are given: A. Pereira (Mourinho wants him to stay).

Mitchell and Tuanzebe stay 1st half of the season in consideration to our LB and CB situations where it's possible they may gain more game times.

players who may not be rated and have lower chance of breaking through are all send out on loan if there are interest: Wilson, CBJ, Willock, Johnstone, etc.

each young players I'm sure are being help to find clubs that may be interested in loaning them, preferably good environment eg. TFM with CP in EPL, Tuanzebe with Villa training with 2 best CBs of the game.

if they fail in their loans, they'll be recall and help next: CBJ back to play with the reserves.

if they request transfer, will be granted: Harrop, Januzaj, etc.

It's different than during the reign of LVG, where there are quite a big number of youngsters on waiting list so to speak involved with the first team squad, but barely playing or given some chance then when they performed horribly are out next game, not permitted to be sent out on loan, etc. Some of the referred young players: McNair, Varela, A. Pereira, etc.

Credits to the manager, and the current youth/academy coaches and staffs too.

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This is one of the funniest posts I'v seen talking about picking at sticks. Basically absolutely nothing has changed except for Mctominay. Dear of dear - the Jose supporters will pick anything little up for support whilst the more questioning will also do the same/

This is one of the funniest posts I'v seen talking about picking at sticks. Basically absolutely nothing has changed except for Mctominay. Dear of dear - the Jose supporters will pick anything little up for support whilst the more questioning will also do the same/

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Eh why? You didn't read the many reports of what the coaches said about the many decisions made (loans, sales, etc) of the young players?

Similarly (not really), anti-jose like you (probably, don't know whether you're a fan of him or not, but sounds like you hates him) will find anything to slates him with, without checking nor thinking/considering for the facts, reports and reasons behind everything Jose and the coaches did.

Rashford will fail longterm if he is regarded as a permanent LW & so will martial.

The fact that Jose bought Sanchez and moved martial towards the right - shows that Jose is more about giving game time to rashford than particularly improving him by handing him out a proper position for him.

Rashford was great against Liverpool; finally scoring goals from his style of shooting that has only appeared this season and was largely unsuccessful thus far.
Yet there are fans talking about his shooting style having greatly improved- just after one game. How Jose has improved him by what exactly? Playing him at LW now?

Rashford will only reach his heights eventually as a CF. A simply comparison to someone like Stirling from the same country shows why he will struggle to play to even similar standards on the wider areas by comparing style of play.

Jose has not improved Rashford after one performance- he has

initially dropped him for zlatan from ST

Replaced Zlatan with Lukaky at ST

Moved Rashford to the right wing where he wasnt the best

Moved him to the left to compete with martial; again netiher are the best

Replaced the Left wingers with Sanchez who has only moved centrally due to his lack of form.

Ideally- the likes of martial, Rashford & lukaku should be playing in partnerships.

The only person who he has progressed is mctomminay & fair play to him for that; the other being Lingard by simply moving fro mthe right wing to central position which was always going to happen sooner than later.

He is not killing youngsters - but neither is he god's gift to them either - the dropping of tuenzebe for lindelof is similair to what he did with rashford & lukaku/ibrahimovic.

The reason alot of pundits have been talking about Rashford & Mourinho in particular is simple - They viewed him like many here as a player with the ability to be the leading striker of Manchester United. Because Jose cba to improve him as a striker, wait for him to reach the accepted level - even though rashford was fairly clinical in his breakout season; he has replaced him almost immediately.

Partnerships are the only thing that will save him in the long term. One game against liverpool does not change anything.

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There are these things called context, experiences, influences, training, pressure, team balance, system, tactics, instructions, advices, etc.
Try and have a more wider point of view and more wholistic perspectives.

So..
Rashford, and Martial and the rest (except McTominay and Lingard) improves not because of Jose? He have zero influences why they improved?
Lingard only improves after playing as CAM?
Rashford can only improves playing upfront as a striker?

Sounds like someone who believes only in "right" single positioning and "right" single formation that could improves players.
--In addition to more game times (preferably the whole season 35+ matches) in those "right" formation and single position.
---Only then the young players will improve.
*I wonder why this sounds so videogames-centric way of looking at football.

Youngsters already in the first team that developed well under him: None

At Chelsea (3 years):

Youngsters he bought into the first team: None

Youngsters already in the first team that developed well under him: None

At Man Utd (2 years):

Youngsters he bought into the first team: McTominay

Youngsters already in the first team that developed well under him: Rashford, Lingaard

So basically nothing special in the last 8 years.
2 young players successfully bought into the first team and 2 young players developed well.

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I could care less about what he did at Chelsea and Madrid. At United he has handed McTominay a debut and consistent path into the first team while continuing to give steady minutes to Rashford, Lingard and Martial despite erratic form at times over their 2 seasons under Mourinho. He also wanted Pereira to stick with the team this season because he wanted to give him opportunities, but Pereira wanted to ensure consistent game time and went out on loan again.

I fully expect Fosu-Mensah and Tuanzebe to be integrated into the first team more consistently next season.

Youngsters already in the first team that developed well under him: None

At Chelsea (3 years):

Youngsters he bought into the first team: None

Youngsters already in the first team that developed well under him: None

At Man Utd (2 years):

Youngsters he bought into the first team: McTominay

Youngsters already in the first team that developed well under him: Rashford, Lingaard

So basically nothing special in the last 8 years.
2 young players successfully bought into the first team and 2 young players developed well.

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At Real Madrid the pressure for instant results over youth: Immense (you guys sacked a Champions League wining manager).
At Chelsea the pressure for instant results over youth: Immense (they sacked Jose when he was their most successful manager)

The fact is that Chelsea and Madrid are buying clubs with little recent history of bringing through youth. I understand it pains you that your club will never have a 'Class of 92' because you are a Government run buying machine but please refrain from criticising a club that respects their youth teams.

Chelsea he brought in Loftus cheek into the mix. Conte has brought in Christensen. Besides that none of the academy players even get in the squad if I’m not wrong.

How many did Ancelotti bring in? Unless you count carvajal?

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I don't disagree. I'm just saying that Mourinho does not have a special record in bringing in youth.
What about his major-trophy haul during that period?
2 Leagues, 1 Domestic Cup, 1 Europa in 8 years.
It's good but then you can't use the excuse that he has bought these clubs wild success by using experienced players.

At Real Madrid the pressure for instant results over youth: Immense (you guys sacked a Champions League wining manager).
At Chelsea the pressure for instant results over youth: Immense (they sacked Jose when he was their most successful manager)

The fact is that Chelsea and Madrid are buying clubs with little recent history of bringing through youth. I understand it pains you that your club will never have a 'Class of 92' because you are a Government run buying machine but please refrain from criticising a club that respects their youth teams.

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I'm just saying that Mourinho does not have a special record in bringing in youth.
What about his major-trophy haul during that period?
2 Leagues, 1 Domestic Cup, 1 Europa in 8 years.
Its good but then you can't use the excuse that he has bought these clubs wild success by using experienced players.

Also look at Lord Zidane at Real Madrid (3 years):

Youngsters he bought into the first team: Achraf

Youngsters already in the first team (whether at Real or elsewhere) that developed well under him: Nacho, Vazquez, Asensio, Kovacic, Casemiro

Thats already 6 players and he has won 3 major trophies in 3 years (Mourinho 4 in 8 years).

Every major club has benefited from some sort of intervention, whether private (John Henry Davis, James Gibson), public (Man Utd in 1991) or government (Barca/Qatar/UAE).
You are probably one of the newer United "fans" who has a limited knowledge of their own history.
Read up on your history first before making snide digs at Real Madrid.

I love the fact that Jose is seriously out to prove at Utd that he can bring kids through. This will only benefit the club. McTominay will be on the bench a lot more though next season when we sign another midfielder but at least has shown that he'll be a brilliant squad player and could make the role his own one day when Matic is ready to pack it in.

I'm just saying that Mourinho does not have a special record in bringing in youth.
What about his major-trophy haul during that period?
2 Leagues, 1 Domestic Cup, 1 Europa in 8 years.
Its good but then you can't use the excuse that he has bought these clubs wild success by using experienced players.

Also look at Lord Zidane at Real Madrid (3 years):

Youngsters he bought into the first team: Achraf

Youngsters already in the first team (whether at Real or elsewhere) that developed well under him: Nacho, Vazquez, Asensio, Kovacic, Casemiro

Thats already 6 players and he has won 3 major trophies in 3 years (Mourinho 4 in 8 years).

Every major club has benefited from some sort of intervention, whether private (John Henry Davis, James Gibson), public (Man Utd in 1991) or government (Barca/Qatar/UAE).
You are probably one of the newer United "fans" who has a limited knowledge of their own history.
Read up on your history first before making snide digs at Real Madrid.

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Ok so if we are using some of your Real examples for Zidane we can then revise the list you gave Jose to include Martial, Shaw and Bailly. Maybe even Morata too. We can also give him credit for Zouma at Chelsea. Now I wouldn't do that personally because they weren't 'our' youngsters but because Madrid is so short of their own (Nacho and Vasquez aside) I suppose under these new rules they should be included. In fact if we use Achraf we may as well include Tuanzebe and Gomes for Jose too.

Also trophy haul? I assume you mean 2 league titles against the best team of all time (surely you are aware of them as they are your biggest rivals). 1 domestic cup and europa league after taking over a mess of a club (as all our fans will attest to). Losing someone like SAF is a big deal to United, not that tigger happy Madrid will ever know the feeling of having a long term coach.

I'm not even a Jose fan, as seen by my 'Knee-Jerker' tag, but sorry mate you are talking complete smack.

Rashford will fail longterm if he is regarded as a permanent LW & so will martial.

The fact that Jose bought Sanchez and moved martial towards the right - shows that Jose is more about giving game time to rashford than particularly improving him by handing him out a proper position for him.

Rashford was great against Liverpool; finally scoring goals from his style of shooting that has only appeared this season and was largely unsuccessful thus far.
Yet there are fans talking about his shooting style having greatly improved- just after one game. How Jose has improved him by what exactly? Playing him at LW now?

Rashford will only reach his heights eventually as a CF. A simply comparison to someone like Stirling from the same country shows why he will struggle to play to even similar standards on the wider areas by comparing style of play.

Jose has not improved Rashford after one performance- he has

initially dropped him for zlatan from ST

Replaced Zlatan with Lukaky at ST

Moved Rashford to the right wing where he wasnt the best

Moved him to the left to compete with martial; again netiher are the best

Replaced the Left wingers with Sanchez who has only moved centrally due to his lack of form.

Ideally- the likes of martial, Rashford & lukaku should be playing in partnerships.

The only person who he has progressed is mctomminay & fair play to him for that; the other being Lingard by simply moving fro mthe right wing to central position which was always going to happen sooner than later.

He is not killing youngsters - but neither is he god's gift to them either - the dropping of tuenzebe for lindelof is similair to what he did with rashford & lukaku/ibrahimovic.

The reason alot of pundits have been talking about Rashford & Mourinho in particular is simple - They viewed him like many here as a player with the ability to be the leading striker of Manchester United. Because Jose cba to improve him as a striker, wait for him to reach the accepted level - even though rashford was fairly clinical in his breakout season; he has replaced him almost immediately.

Partnerships are the only thing that will save him in the long term. One game against liverpool does not change anything.

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I'd like to thank you for taking the time out of your busy schedule of youth coaching to provide this analysis. I am now Jose out because he is killing the youth.