It is the utmost of vanity to kill something so as to impress others with one's wealth or status. I can understand that there was a time when people didn't have options, but really today I can think of NO reason to justify the wearing of fur for fashion.

So let's say the fur only cost $5.00... That would eliminate the vanity side of things. Do you still think it is wrong?

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"The Cross is the way to Paradise, but only when it is borne willingly".
St. Paul of the Cross

Yeah but it's not new. The ermine garments that he wears are from the 1960's. He did get some flack from an Italian animal group about it. He is an animal lover. There's some story about some book/biography about Pope Benedict "written by a cat". Anybody know anything about that? I have to check it out.

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"If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man." St. Francis
"If I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. If I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." Dom Camera

If Jesus was here, say in the US, right now? Do you think he'd be eating veal and fois gras? Would he be eating factory farmed beef? Of would he take advantage of living at a time when we no longer need meat to survive and choose a vegetarian diet?

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"If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man." St. Francis
"If I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. If I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." Dom Camera

I know that Marfran has posted information on another thread on what is understood to have been the primary diet of the people of the middle east at the time that Jesus lived - and it was indeed for the most part a plant based diet, olives, fruit, bread, nuts, wine, - with some fish, (of course not part of the current over fishing)

But if you are asking what WOULD Jesus eat today... I would have to think he would find the current practice of factory farming objectionable - What I've learned about it just indicates to me that it just is not in keeping with the dignity of creation.

If Jesus was here, say in the US, right now? Do you think he'd be eating veal and fois gras? Would he be eating factory farmed beef? Of would he take advantage of living at a time when we no longer need meat to survive and choose a vegetarian diet?

Sinning animals alive is impractical because they squirm around too much.

Besides usually the pelt or skin is a byproduct of meat production. So you stun the animal to stop it from squirming and then you want to bleed it with the heart still going because leaving the blood inside will spoil the meat.

You also want to have the animal calm because an excited animal will result in a mean condition known as PSE. All that adrenalin and other hormones causes the meat to taste funny.

In a lot of Middle Eastern countries, they hold the animal down and cut its throat without first stunning it. But in the United States, we are humane and knock the animal out, with a bolt to the brain or by electric shock.

I was being cynical Animals feel pain and suffer. I am shocked when you tell the animal is not killed outright but left to bleed out.

It is not only in the middle east. Most Muslims follow a version of animal slaughter in the OT. They believe the animal can't be stinned first. There is someone from the Alazar University in Egypt who goes around the world telling Muslims it is Islamic to stun the animals first.