"A study conducted in the 1970's examined two samples of African Americans and found no correlation between degree of white ancestory and IQ. In fact in one study the correlation went in the "wrong" direction (ie. the more african ancestory the higher IQ"

"In a study involving Carribean children showed that there was no genetic basis for the IQ gap between blacks and whites, rather it showed the black children to be considerably more intelligent. The IQ of the children at the Orphanage was: Blacks 108, Mixed 106, White 103"

"In a study comparing the offspring of American GI's and German women, where the children where raised in Germany as Germans there was no correlation found between IQ and Race. Both the Biracial and German childredn had average IQ's of 97"

Can you post the links for those studies, so I can read them for myself, because the opinion of an anonymous person on Wikipedia is not good enough.

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"Joseph Graves, an African-American evolutionary biologist at Arizona State University-West in Tempe, notes that most people and researchers who try to establish correlations between various natural abilities and skin color are not geneticists.

Okay, this is nonsense before it has even started, because he is implying that race is nothing more than skin colour.

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These people don't know evolutionary genetics. They talk about interesting issues in race and biology. And since, I think, there are no real races, I wonder what these issues are. It makes me angry that I have to take time from my research (on the genetics of aging) to argue about something that shouldn't even need to be discussed (Blum)."

He thinks?

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C. Loring Brace, an anthropologist at the University of Michigan, claims that "race is a four-letter word with no basis in biological reality" (Blum).

Loring Brace does not deny the reality of racial differences, but he believes that people can't be clearly placed into racial categories. That is why Loring Brace is misquoted so often by Marxists.

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"...the fact that the average IQ of one racial group is a few points higher than that of another does not allow anyone to say that all members of the higher IQ group have higher IQs than all members of the lower IQ group...."

Strawman. Nobody has claimed that every single white person has a higher IQ than every single black person. What we're saying, is that on average, whites are higher.

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"Are the studies of no value that show African-Americans or Asians doing differently than so-called "white" Americans on standardized IQ tests?

So-called "white" Americans? Is he implying that white people don't really exist? Yet African-Americans and Asians do? What does that tell you about his agenda?

Notice that he also acknowledges that blacks score lower than whites, and Asians score higher, or as he put it, they "do differently".

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That is, is the work of people like Herrnstein and Murray worthless? No. It is valuable data, but it is also explosive data because of our racist political history. Such data will inevitably be exploited by white supremacists, twisted for their own political goals and used not to improve racial relations in America but to encourage further racial strife.

In other words, the problem isn't that the data is wrong, the problem is that it doesn't say what our current political rulers want it to say, therefore it must be suppressed. He is apparently more interested in improving racial relations than scientific reality.

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Such data consists mainly of correlations. And while correlations should convince orthodox empirical scientists of nothing, to the racist researcher, correlations are the heart and soul of their work. "

Correlation means everything when we are discussing racial genetics, because race is the correlation of certain genes.

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yet you are desperate to accept the word of maidofthearyanmist just because she agrees with you

I don't know what maidofthearyanmist has to do with this, but if she was making unfounded claims, I'd ask her for a source too. In fact, I ask everyone to back up what they say, even if they share the same views as me.

Ok, First y'all say blacks have distinguishible genetic differences between races. This is false, I challenge you to present one study that concluded there are genetic differences in races. Besides melinin content (what turns ones skin darker), their have been no geneogical differences found between any race.

There's also race-based medicines that work because of the genetic differences between the races.

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"Alan R. Templeton, Ph.D., professor of biology in Arts and Sciences, has analyzed DNA from global human populations that reveal the patterns of human evolution over the past one million years. He shows that while there is plenty of genetic variation in humans, most of the variation is individual variation. While between-population variation exists, it is either too small, which is a quantitative variation, or it is not the right type of qualitative variation -- it does not mark historical sublineages of humanity."http://record.wustl.edu/archive/1998/10-15-98/articles/races.html

That is like saying that LA is not a US city, because it is closer to Mexico City than it is to Washington.

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Oh, and on to the IQ arguments. First, IQ's determine only one type of intelligence, hardly an accurate portrayal of intelligence as a whole. These IQ's tests you cite (wikipedia, fantastic source) only test American whites and blacks, what about testing all white countries versus all blacks countries?

All countries have been tested, and African countries consistently comes out bottom, with an average IQ of 70. It is only when they live in white nations and have caucasoid admixture that negroids reach the dizzy heights of 85 IQ.

Like really... raceism is stupid. What's the point? Can someone just answer one question... What is the difference beteen white people and black people? Raceism is just someone wanting to build themselves up because they wish they were better. It's pathetic. Just because you are white (and I am white too) dosen't mean you are any better that anyone else. Really. What is the difference?

Like? BTW, raceism is not a word. There si no point to racism, but that does not mean people should not be racially aware. There are many differences betweem whites and blacks. The main differences are quite obvious. Facial features, body shape, culture, different strengths (ex. whites are more technologically gifted, blacks are very athletic and do well at most sports). The question, "what is the difference between" is really unintelligent because there are differences no matter how you look at it. I do not think that any race is the best per se, however we are all a bit biased towards our own culture and people. You cannot deny that simple truth. There should be a requirement for intelligenge here. Brady

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Re: White people are the same as black people. Really.

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Ok, First y'all say blacks have distinguishible genetic differences between races. This is false, I challenge you to present one study that concluded there are genetic differences in races.

I have already posted the links on another thread you are a part of, but just in case you missed them here you go:

Oh, and on to the IQ arguments. First, IQ's determine only one type of intelligence, hardly an accurate portrayal of intelligence as a whole.

No IQ tests a number of things. It is not exactly the same as intelligence, but in general it is a very good way of finding out who is smarter and/or who has more chance of success in life. Look at the link below to find out more:

Furthermore, blacks have been disadvantaged in terms of schoolind for centuries in America.

So why do blacks in America score higher than blacks in Africa?

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First of all, this does not somehow justify inequalities in America. Black segregated schools were often in much poorer condition than whites schools, In addition, it was almost impossible to get educates as a blach student at the college level until about 100 years ago, when you cant compete, you cannot make money.

Well this is not my area of expertise. But I can tell you that despite affirmative action in the States and ôpositiveö discrimination in the UK, blacks still end up bottom of the social scales. Why?

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In addition, racism in America, or Europe was not limited to those continents.

Racism is common throughout the world chief.

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Imperialist countries exploited Africa in a very ruthless manner. Countries such as France used military force to overrun tribal, or soveriegn authorities in an unjustified war against Africa. Countries such as Belgium raped the reasources of the Congo.

The result is lasting economic inequalities and oportunities for self-determination.

Well African states have been independent for the last forty or so years and apart from tin pot dictatorships and genocidal conflict show no inclination of doing any better. Sure most African states are artificial nations, but we live in a world with few ethnically based nations. The UK is an artificial state, so is France, Spain. India. Yet despite some difficulties these states mange to function. Africaĺs excuse is what? India has gone from being a British colony to one of the most powerful nations in Asia, so I hardly think colonialism is much of an excuse.

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And if some how the military power of European countries proves the inferiority of Blacks, then why is it such a "moral" and "ethical" race such as the whites would use such authority to exploit another? As the bible said (and another poster argued), "though shall not covet thy neighbor's wife".

Colonialism is a facet of many civilisations. When you take five minutes from your anti-white ravings have a little read about the Japanese Empire in World War Two. How about the Chinese Empire? The Aztecs? Take your pick. If you get stuck give me a nudge.

Still... why you be hatin? There are plenty of black people who do have higher IQ's than you. Just because a race in general has a lower IQ means nothing. People shouldn't individually hate a race because of that.

Anyway, you are just white by chance.

If everybody was the same why do we have black, mexican and white communities ?
Ever heard of segregation ?
Wake up.

Somehow, some way, it seems you have apparently been unable to understand my last post. So let me briefly repost it...

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What city do you live in where whites commit double the number of assaults, death by driving and rapes than blacks.?

What school do you go to where blacks outperform whites?

Again, what city do you live in where whites are on income support at a far greater level than blacks?

Don't worry about providing statistics if you don't have them. Just give us the name(s) and we'll do the rest in terms of finding out the real truth behind your lies.

This, to me, seems amazingly straightforward. I'm asking you to provide evidence to support your ramblings. Either do so, or get lost. This thread is already full of enough liars who have been proven wrong.

Still... why you be hatin? There are plenty of black people who do have higher IQ's than you. Just because a race in general has a lower IQ means nothing. People shouldn't individually hate a race because of that.

Anyway, you are just white by chance.

I don't hate any race in it's entirety, But I do hate the things that are being done to my race. I hate the way my country is being despoiled by people of other races and I hate the way my culture and heritage is being denied and derided because of the misguided sham that is multiculturalism. I hate the people who advocate race mixing and the people who promote the cultural destruction of my people.
So, although I don't actively hate every member of every other race, I, and I think most others on these forums, believe that the only way that we can safeguard our future is in the separation of the races, both culturally and geographically.

So tell me one thing... why do you have to HATE them for being black? It's not their fault for being born black.

It's because of their black father and black mother.

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It's not their fault for being raised in the way that they were...

It's because of their absent black father and black mother.

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around drugs because of the pathetic whites like you who do not want to help them rise from their poverty but instead want to kill them. It's wrong.

I gave the blacks drugs? I don't see how since I try to avoid contact with them; unlikely though in my city (pop 110,000) where 48% are black. I believe you need to take that up with the Mexcats since the good weed and cocaine comes from south of the border.

Secondly, why do whites have to help raise them from poverty? Is that because blacks are inferior to whites?

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If you were black and grew up in the same situation, you would be the same way.