pepperonibread wrote:Since it's a revamp, I'm not allowed to actually change how many territories the continents have or how they border other continents (no gameplay changes).

Hmm, so it's not possible to fix the chaos. I don't see a possibility to get a reasonable map based on the current one. Too much areas are cut by the borders and others are united wich don't belong to each other.Maybe it would be the best to create a new map.

A compromise might be if you drop the unlucky names of the regions completely and use terms like "West" or "Southeast" in the USA map.

It looks like the bolded is what I'll be doing. Except for Bavaria. If I'm correct, that is an accurate German state.
So, more than anything, it seems like this is going to be a mainly graphical update.
Sorry for the late response

Pep you still have a few things missing thou. For example the page number of the latest update in the title and the information required in the first post

Information Requirements on the first post of a maps thread1. The number of territories currently on the map.2. The number of continents. (If this makes sense for your map)3. Descriptions of any unique features or areas.

pepperonibread wrote:A compromise might be if you drop the unlucky names of the regions completely and use terms like "West" or "Southeast" in the USA map.

It looks like the bolded is what I'll be doing. Except for Bavaria. If I'm correct, that is an accurate German state.So, more than anything, it seems like this is going to be a mainly graphical update.Sorry for the late response

ok, much better like this two things remain:
- we have to find another name for the yellow territory whis is named "Würzburg" right now, because Würzburg is a city in bavaria.
- and also: the German name is Bayern, not Bavaria.

Silvanus wrote:ok, much better like this two things remain: - we have to find another name for the yellow territory whis is named "Würzburg" right now, because Würzburg is a city in bavaria. - and also: the German name is Bayern, not Bavaria.

my least favorite aspect of this revamp is seeing the words tilted in any which way that they will fit. Can I suggest making the overall image size bigger, and zooming in a bit more on the playable area? You've got a lot of pixels to play with.

oaktown wrote:my least favorite aspect of this revamp is seeing the words tilted in any which way that they will fit. Can I suggest making the overall image size bigger, and zooming in a bit more on the playable area? You've got a lot of pixels to play with.

this map is looking nice. i like the colours, with the emblems incorporated into the continent backgrounds.

Silvanus wrote:two things remain:- we have to find another name for the yellow territory whis is named "Würzburg" right now, because Würzburg is a city in bavaria.- and also: the German name is Bayern, not Bavaria.

we can align the continents completely with the länder boundaries by renaming some more territories. this lets us avoid using artificial directional names for the continents.

rename hanover as braunschweig (west germany continent becomes niedersachsen or maybe niedersachsen-anhalt - does this last name make sense to our german players?). make kassel bigger and braunschweig smaller, then rename kassel as hannover. rename würzburg as kassel (hessen continent becomes rheinhessen - this, suggested by daydream, is a well-known wine-producing region). rheinland continent becomes baden-württemberg. rename bamburg as würzburg (bavaria continent becomes bayern). rename erfurt as jena. make kassel (the old würzburg) bigger and fulda smaller, then rename fulda as erfurt (east germany continent becomes sachsen-thüringen). rename prussia as preussen (suggested by daydream), unless we can think of a better name for this continent.

after renaming as above, will borders for unchanged gameplay be maintained if we use the correct political boundaries for the six continents (niedersachsen-anhalt, rheinhessen, baden-württemberg, bayern, sachsen-thüringen and preussen), based on the map below? i know that we can't use the actual political boundaries for each individual territory.

can u erase the part of the river that forms the border between dresden and both berlin and potsdam and replace it with mountains, since the river doesn't go that way (see below)?

add the oder river along the eastern edges of neubrandenburg and most of berlin, then veer it south-east into poland to join up with the existing river. add the neisse river along the eastern edges of dresden and berlin to flow into the oder river. below is a link to the preussens gloria website, which has a map of these two rivers, that together form the border between germany and poland.

iancanton wrote:we can align the continents completely with the länder boundaries by renaming some more territories. this lets us avoid using artificial directional names for the continents.

rename hanover as braunschweig (west germany continent becomes niedersachsen or maybe niedersachsen-anhalt - does this last name make sense to our german players?). make kassel bigger and braunschweig smaller, then rename kassel as hannover. rename würzburg as kassel (hessen continent becomes rheinhessen - this, suggested by daydream, is a well-known wine-producing region). rheinland continent becomes baden-württemberg. rename bamburg as würzburg (bavaria continent becomes bayern). rename erfurt as jena. make kassel (the old würzburg) bigger and fulda smaller, then rename fulda as erfurt (east germany continent becomes sachsen-thüringen). rename prussia as preussen (suggested by daydream), unless we can think of a better name for this continent.

after renaming as above, will borders for unchanged gameplay be maintained if we use the correct political boundaries for the six continents (niedersachsen-anhalt, rheinhessen, baden-württemberg, bayern, sachsen-thüringen and preussen), based on the map below? i know that we can't use the actual political boundaries for each individual territory.

Okay. So, you're suggesting continents like this, right: Quick DraftJust wanted to clarify.Like you said, the problem isn't going to be the continent (state) borders, but the individual territories. So I'll get a draft of territories within these new state boundaries hopefully soon, and allow everybody some time to give suggestions on it. I should be able to use the territory names you suggested, but I'll see how it pans out.Thanks for the suggestions Everything else you posted I agreed with.

this map looks great and is a real improvement but I would like to see the black/red/gold reintroduced. The current Germany map sucks in terms of graphics but with such bold and present colors it was undeniably German. Aside from the type, there isn't a whole lot German about it.

mibi wrote:this map looks great and is a real improvement but I would like to see the black/red/gold reintroduced. The current Germany map sucks in terms of graphics but with such bold and present colors it was undeniably German. Aside from the type, there isn't a whole lot German about it.

Alright, sounds good. Because of the width change and the major border changes, basically this whole map is going to be redone. So I'll have a lot of time to add in some more german flavor.

Alright guys, after doing some more research, here's the draft I came up with:

Like it was suggested, the "continents" now all align with the state borders of Germany. But because the borders were changed so much (the shape of the borders only, no gameplay changes), I needed to change the names of some of the territories. This is what I'd like comments on (from Germans, if possible). I need as accurate names as possible. Once all this stuff is ironed out, I'll begin working on applying these changes to the "graphically enhanced" version.Also, no umlauts yet, so don't mind that.

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Are you kidding me??? The colors on that are horrid. Put down the crayons! Seriously, the coloring on the Germany map is great, I love it, don't f*ck it up with those absurd bright colors! Please no!

Also, the text looks horrible!! I don't even know where to start to suggest changes.

Ok, apparently there are two drafts? WTF? which one are you working on dude? It's impossible to comment!! Scrap whatever crap is on this page and go back to the other draft and let's comment on that, eh?

wicked wrote:Are you kidding me??? The colors on that are horrid. Put down the crayons! Seriously, the coloring on the Germany map is great, I love it, don't f*ck it up with those absurd bright colors! Please no!

Also, the text looks horrible!! I don't even know where to start to suggest changes.

Ok, apparently there are two drafts? WTF? which one are you working on dude? It's impossible to comment!! Scrap whatever crap is on this page and go back to the other draft and let's comment on that, eh?

Sorry about the confusion. I mostly need comments on accuracy right now, as our German members aren't satisfied with my original map (http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w108 ... ny000L.jpg). Because of the major changes, I put up a draft with more accurate borders, as I want to get the borders/country names down before redoing the good graphics version.I'll clarify this on the 1st post