On his TV show, early in the Clinton administration, Limbaugh put up a picture of Socks, the White House cat, and asked, 'Did you know there's a White House dog?' Then he put up a picture of Chelsea Clinton, who was 13 years old at the time and as far as I know had never done any harm to anyone.

But I just can't Howdy. Life is too short. And when I lived in WY I was exposed to the BLM leasing of grazing land too. It is a little corrupt at times who gets the grazing land. It is all supposed to be bid on but sometimes the system somehow fails. The BLM wild horse herds have been destroyed in WY too. They said the horses were destroying environment but then they leased that same land for natural gas fracking as soon as they eradicated the herds.

All the natural gas wells all over the BLM land is so ugly.

I suspect the reason they folded and gave the guy his cattle back is because that is what they want that grazing land for. He hasn't paid for it, he has no right to it. You can't believe the unpaid grazing tab that some WY ranches ran though.

I suspect they gave the guy his cows back because as soon as they legally have him off they are going to frack the hell out of that area. And if they had confiscated his cattle to do it, well that's just too much corruption in front of too many followers that this guy has garnered.

Hannity isn't telling the truth either, but I would like to avoid throwing things at my TV.

Would spend weekends with some of his other construction buddies and they would have beers and start drawing and discussing inefficiencies in current buildings and how to fix it all. Americans IMO are arrogant, intellectually lazy, and just damned wasteful and will have it no other way. We are decades behind where we should be when it comes to the energy our homes eat. It is ALL our own damned fault.

As a mass we don't even try where other nations have made efforts, some so successfully. As for visionaries being seen as crazy, sadly yes, particularly in the United States these days. I often see dwellings in magazines that have been built in other countries and under the heading of cutting edge that some builders wanted to start building here 35 yrs ago.

But whatever these people are, they have made millions of dollars - and even people on this website listen to their shows - if only to disparage them.

I have seen or heard only clips.

I find their sounds so immediately repulsive I cannot continue to listen.

In the same vein - there's W.
He sounds so dumb.
Then there's Reagan. The Saint. The Airport.

Add Bush the first to that scurvy list as far as I am concerned.

Then, of course, there are those pols who can sound intelligent (like Clinton), but prove themselves to be neither the best nor the brightest. They take a little time to wear you down. For me, Obama is in that latter category - although he lost me early on with "sweetie" and other sundry comments.

But at least those guys have an intelligent facade.

With Limbaugh and Hannity and O'Reilly, I can't get past the first few words before I reach for the remote - or the Dramamine.

barkers who tell people what they want to hear are always going to make a lot of money. It's a time honored tradition here in the US. There are over 300 million people here in the US. If they even can find 10% of the population to fleece that's 30 million people.

It is obvious that you do not like them. I have never heard them but I imagine that that listening to them would be excruciating for me. But then again I am not surprised that they rake in the money.
Not sure why you are.

Many people like stand up comedy, which is basically what they do, from what I understand.

What we can know, however, is that the Limbaugh ilk and related play on and spur people's fears. For awhile, fear can be a powerful motivator ... especially, if what is spewed on the airwaves is the fear of <fill in the blanks.> And, as I recall from some nebulous studies, once the fear is awakened and the stimulus is repeated again & again, it takes an increased level of fear-mongering to achieve the same result in the subject populace. So, witness the louder & louder levels of fear-mongering by Limbaugh and friends ... to the point where (as squeaky guessed) it borders on grotesque comedy.

Whether right-wing or whatever, that kind of fear-mongering used to leave me angry as well. Until I began to consider outlandish diatribes in politics to betray a bad comedy.

But to reply to what you just wrote - I think those guys hardly qualify as the enemy. So much hot air. I wonder how much influence they actually wield when it comes down to it.

It would be interesting to have some exit poll asking people if they were swayed into voting for some cretin or other by the blatherings of one of those "personalities".

In any case - to veer slightly - General Motors has recently been responsible - knowingly so - for the deaths of at least 13 people. How is that different from some freak with a machine gun mowing down a bunch of people? Now that's an enemy - and the machinery that will allow those responsible at GM to get away with murder - that's an enemy.

Seriously I think there has been a major effort on the right, not so much Bush - I actually W was more puppet than puppeteer which in no excuses what he did or allowed others to do. No child left behind was a disaster but I doubt it was intended to be - but the real under the radar right to gut education from K through college. Because they know that ignorant low information people are much easier to manipulate. I think it is ironic in some ways because one thing it created was the tea party. A monster they created and nurtured that is going to bite them right on the ass.

Marjorie Mezvinski played a singular role in securing Bubbas political legacy, that being casting the vote that passed his famous budget that set the country on the most prosperous peacetime expansion in history - to catcalls and hoots and shouts of bye bye Margie from Newt and his thugs, and now her son is, well, playing a major roll in securing his other legacy

Oh wait. It might not be lie. It is, however, the height of hypocrisy. But apparently you can be as hypocritical and insulting towards others who are not like-jim in way that few others on the blog are permitted.

That baby will be spoken of most often on Fox News but whatever Jim. Hell, Chelsea will be accused of deliberately getting pregnant to coincide with whatever election and open the door for her mom's Presidential run. We lefties have simply learned to embrace the inevitable.

Fox will want to be there to film the birth to make sure it doesn't have two heads. Rush Limbaugh will be screeching about how it was all "planned". Glenn Beck and Alex Jones will say that Chelsea really didn't give birth and it was a "secret adoption" that is denied to most Americans.

He's a regular columnist for Newsmax. He's appeared on Fox and Friends, Hannity, he's a right wing talk host. Yeah, I think Tracy had it nailed 100%. You guys are so predictable.

Even you were shopping Dick Morris's conspiracy theory the other day about the "secret CIA agent" that he can't realease his name and a document that only he and the secret agent man had seen. But hey, Morris has a good gig fleecing you guys and I guess you want to be fleeced so have at it buddy!!

You know, back in the day we had some really good debates. Usually civil and often informative.

That mostly went away in the 2008 election cycle when a plethora of KOS types showed up. Many of the regulars left and haven't returned. In fact, I think kdog, MT, squeaky and I are the only ones left from that group though I may have missed someone.

So the deal is this. Do you want a chat group or do you want a place to discuss and debate the various issues of the day?? I think you want a chat group.

there you go. Your article talked about what Drudge has been doing already. Of course, the idiot is also insulting grandmothers across America. They'll probably be so mad they'll for a "Republican Grandmothers for Hillary" Club or some such.