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Actually milk is good for acne because it's a rich sorce of vitamin D which bolsters the immune system. Acne really isn't a hormonal problem as most people with acne have normal androgen levels. Hormones just make the skin oily and don't directly cause acne as many people with oily skin don't sufffer from acne lesions.

The inflammation in acne is caused by infection which only occurs to the degree it does because the immune system in an acne patient is inherently weaker than a clear skinned person. When someone grows out of acne it's because their immune system matures - not because their hormones balance.

I had inflammatory acne for thirteen years straight from age 11-23 and only recently grew out of it. I also grew out of my asthma and severe allergies at the same time as well so I'm definitely thinking it was all tied to me having a weaker immune system (as with any inflammatory disorder). I eat tons of dairy, cheese and grain currently and my skin is completely unblemished. Explain that?

Dairy is not a rich source of D. If you think you are getting adequate amount of D from dairy, you are very mistaken. You are getting a tiny, tiny fraction of what you need.

Get your D from the Sun as much as possible, and take supplements when it's not possible.

And no, our immune systems are not weaker either. I never get sick. That is not the difference between us and them. The differences lie in the way our cells proliferate, die off and exfoliate. There are several genetic traits that have been identified that affect that.

Also, androgens are not the only hormones involved in acne. There's also insulin and IGF-1, for example.

Also, anything that's bad for acne sufferers is bad for everyone else too. They just don't develop the symptom of acne because they don't have the genetic tendencies towards impaired cell proliferation/exfoliation. Likewise, everything truly good for health is good for acne.

I also don't notice any affect from dairy, but that would because acne is a result of many things you do to yourself. It's all cumulative. Whether or not I notice any effect from dairy, it still both contains and promotes hormones directly involved in acne and cell hyperproliferation (which means it also promotes cancer cell growth. You don't want hyperproliferation happening, period).

lchance,

Hormones are always involved. Except for pores clogged topically, and maybe allergic response, but there's still a correlationship between histamine and androgens.

"Hormones are always involved"? I had acne since 10-11 and went to five different endocrinologists (for a second and third opinion) from age 14-21 and none of them ever found any hormonal imbalance or PCOS ect. My androgens and other hormones (including insulin) were always completely normal. I even had salivary gland analysis back when I was around 22 as I heard that gives a more accurate reading of hormones and that came back normal as well.

Saying that all acne is caued by a hormonal imbalance is bullsh*T!

You don't read very well, do you? I did not say you or anyone else had a hormone imbalance. I said hormones are always involved. Which is fact.

I notice you ignored all my other corrections of your misinformation. You really should try to read the rest. Because, like I said, if you are relying on dairy to supply you with vitamin D you need, you will be severely deficient.

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Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

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Actually milk is good for acne because it's a rich sorce of vitamin D which bolsters the immune system. Acne really isn't a hormonal problem as most people with acne have normal androgen levels. Hormones just make the skin oily and don't directly cause acne as many people with oily skin don't sufffer from acne lesions.

The inflammation in acne is caused by infection which only occurs to the degree it does because the immune system in an acne patient is inherently weaker than a clear skinned person. When someone grows out of acne it's because their immune system matures - not because their hormones balance.

I had inflammatory acne for thirteen years straight from age 11-23 and only recently grew out of it. I also grew out of my asthma and severe allergies at the same time as well so I'm definitely thinking it was all tied to me having a weaker immune system (as with any inflammatory disorder). I eat tons of dairy, cheese and grain currently and my skin is completely unblemished. Explain that?

Dairy is not a rich source of D. If you think you are getting adequate amount of D from dairy, you are very mistaken. You are getting a tiny, tiny fraction of what you need.

Get your D from the Sun as much as possible, and take supplements when it's not possible.

And no, our immune systems are not weaker either. I never get sick. That is not the difference between us and them. The differences lie in the way our cells proliferate, die off and exfoliate. There are several genetic traits that have been identified that affect that.

Also, androgens are not the only hormones involved in acne. There's also insulin and IGF-1, for example.

Also, anything that's bad for acne sufferers is bad for everyone else too. They just don't develop the symptom of acne because they don't have the genetic tendencies towards impaired cell proliferation/exfoliation. Likewise, everything truly good for health is good for acne.

I also don't notice any affect from dairy, but that would because acne is a result of many things you do to yourself. It's all cumulative. Whether or not I notice any effect from dairy, it still both contains and promotes hormones directly involved in acne and cell hyperproliferation (which means it also promotes cancer cell growth. You don't want hyperproliferation happening, period).

lchance,

Hormones are always involved. Except for pores clogged topically, and maybe allergic response, but there's still a correlationship between histamine and androgens.

"Hormones are always involved"? I had acne since 10-11 and went to five different endocrinologists (for a second and third opinion) from age 14-21 and none of them ever found any hormonal imbalance or PCOS ect. My androgens and other hormones (including insulin) were always completely normal. I even had salivary gland analysis back when I was around 22 as I heard that gives a more accurate reading of hormones and that came back normal as well.

Saying that all acne is caued by a hormonal imbalance is bullsh*T!

You don't read very well, do you? I did not say you or anyone else had a hormone imbalance. I said hormones are always involved. Which is fact.

I notice you ignored all my other corrections of your misinformation. You really should try to read the rest. Because, like I said, if you are relying on dairy to supply you with vitamin D you need, you will be severely deficient.

Hormones are not the cause of acne and never have been. No one knows what causes acne, it is a mystery. People with normal hormones can be covered in nodular acne while people who have androgen levels through the roof can have skin like a porcelain doll. It is ultimately up to genetics and doesn't always make sense. The human body is very hard and extremely complex to understand and we still don't know everything.

I am not relying on dairy alone to get "vitamin D" I rely on a whole host of foods for vitamin D absorption and nutrition.

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Actually milk is good for acne because it's a rich sorce of vitamin D which bolsters the immune system. Acne really isn't a hormonal problem as most people with acne have normal androgen levels. Hormones just make the skin oily and don't directly cause acne as many people with oily skin don't sufffer from acne lesions.

The inflammation in acne is caused by infection which only occurs to the degree it does because the immune system in an acne patient is inherently weaker than a clear skinned person. When someone grows out of acne it's because their immune system matures - not because their hormones balance.

I had inflammatory acne for thirteen years straight from age 11-23 and only recently grew out of it. I also grew out of my asthma and severe allergies at the same time as well so I'm definitely thinking it was all tied to me having a weaker immune system (as with any inflammatory disorder). I eat tons of dairy, cheese and grain currently and my skin is completely unblemished. Explain that?

Dairy is not a rich source of D. If you think you are getting adequate amount of D from dairy, you are very mistaken. You are getting a tiny, tiny fraction of what you need.

Get your D from the Sun as much as possible, and take supplements when it's not possible.

And no, our immune systems are not weaker either. I never get sick. That is not the difference between us and them. The differences lie in the way our cells proliferate, die off and exfoliate. There are several genetic traits that have been identified that affect that.

Also, androgens are not the only hormones involved in acne. There's also insulin and IGF-1, for example.

Also, anything that's bad for acne sufferers is bad for everyone else too. They just don't develop the symptom of acne because they don't have the genetic tendencies towards impaired cell proliferation/exfoliation. Likewise, everything truly good for health is good for acne.

I also don't notice any affect from dairy, but that would because acne is a result of many things you do to yourself. It's all cumulative. Whether or not I notice any effect from dairy, it still both contains and promotes hormones directly involved in acne and cell hyperproliferation (which means it also promotes cancer cell growth. You don't want hyperproliferation happening, period).

lchance,

Hormones are always involved. Except for pores clogged topically, and maybe allergic response, but there's still a correlationship between histamine and androgens.

"Hormones are always involved"? I had acne since 10-11 and went to five different endocrinologists (for a second and third opinion) from age 14-21 and none of them ever found any hormonal imbalance or PCOS ect. My androgens and other hormones (including insulin) were always completely normal. I even had salivary gland analysis back when I was around 22 as I heard that gives a more accurate reading of hormones and that came back normal as well.

Saying that all acne is caued by a hormonal imbalance is bullsh*T!

You don't read very well, do you? I did not say you or anyone else had a hormone imbalance. I said hormones are always involved. Which is fact.

I notice you ignored all my other corrections of your misinformation. You really should try to read the rest. Because, like I said, if you are relying on dairy to supply you with vitamin D you need, you will be severely deficient.

Hormones are not the cause of acne and never have been. No one knows what causes acne, it is a mystery. People with normal hormones can be covered in nodular acne while people who have androgen levels through the roof can have skin like a porcelain doll. It is ultimately up to genetics and doesn't always make sense. The human body is very hard and extremely complex to understand and we still don't know everything.

I am not relying on dairy alone to get "vitamin D" I rely on a whole host of foods for vitamin D absorption and nutrition.

Yeah, you really can't get near enough vitamin D from food. There isn't that much vitamin D in any food. It's added artificially to milk, but just enough to help prevent

And it's not a complete mystery. Many things have been found to lead to the formation of acne. It's a cumulative thing. And hormones are always involved. And it's all affected by diet. But yes, there are also genetic factors involved. Obviously. But your genes are not set. They are turned on and off by the things you do to yourself.

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Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

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Actually milk is good for acne because it's a rich sorce of vitamin D which bolsters the immune system. Acne really isn't a hormonal problem as most people with acne have normal androgen levels. Hormones just make the skin oily and don't directly cause acne as many people with oily skin don't sufffer from acne lesions.

The inflammation in acne is caused by infection which only occurs to the degree it does because the immune system in an acne patient is inherently weaker than a clear skinned person. When someone grows out of acne it's because their immune system matures - not because their hormones balance.

I had inflammatory acne for thirteen years straight from age 11-23 and only recently grew out of it. I also grew out of my asthma and severe allergies at the same time as well so I'm definitely thinking it was all tied to me having a weaker immune system (as with any inflammatory disorder). I eat tons of dairy, cheese and grain currently and my skin is completely unblemished. Explain that?

Dairy is not a rich source of D. If you think you are getting adequate amount of D from dairy, you are very mistaken. You are getting a tiny, tiny fraction of what you need.

Get your D from the Sun as much as possible, and take supplements when it's not possible.

And no, our immune systems are not weaker either. I never get sick. That is not the difference between us and them. The differences lie in the way our cells proliferate, die off and exfoliate. There are several genetic traits that have been identified that affect that.

Also, androgens are not the only hormones involved in acne. There's also insulin and IGF-1, for example.

Also, anything that's bad for acne sufferers is bad for everyone else too. They just don't develop the symptom of acne because they don't have the genetic tendencies towards impaired cell proliferation/exfoliation. Likewise, everything truly good for health is good for acne.

I also don't notice any affect from dairy, but that would because acne is a result of many things you do to yourself. It's all cumulative. Whether or not I notice any effect from dairy, it still both contains and promotes hormones directly involved in acne and cell hyperproliferation (which means it also promotes cancer cell growth. You don't want hyperproliferation happening, period).

lchance,

Hormones are always involved. Except for pores clogged topically, and maybe allergic response, but there's still a correlationship between histamine and androgens.

"Hormones are always involved"? I had acne since 10-11 and went to five different endocrinologists (for a second and third opinion) from age 14-21 and none of them ever found any hormonal imbalance or PCOS ect. My androgens and other hormones (including insulin) were always completely normal. I even had salivary gland analysis back when I was around 22 as I heard that gives a more accurate reading of hormones and that came back normal as well.

Saying that all acne is caued by a hormonal imbalance is bullsh*T!

You don't read very well, do you? I did not say you or anyone else had a hormone imbalance. I said hormones are always involved. Which is fact.

I notice you ignored all my other corrections of your misinformation. You really should try to read the rest. Because, like I said, if you are relying on dairy to supply you with vitamin D you need, you will be severely deficient.

Hormones are not the cause of acne and never have been. No one knows what causes acne, it is a mystery. People with normal hormones can be covered in nodular acne while people who have androgen levels through the roof can have skin like a porcelain doll. It is ultimately up to genetics and doesn't always make sense. The human body is very hard and extremely complex to understand and we still don't know everything.

I am not relying on dairy alone to get "vitamin D" I rely on a whole host of foods for vitamin D absorption and nutrition.

Yeah, you really can't get near enough vitamin D from food. There isn't that much vitamin D in any food. It's added artificially to milk, but just enough to help prevent

And it's not a complete mystery. Many things have been found to lead to the formation of acne. It's a cumulative thing. And hormones are always involved. And it's all affected by diet. But yes, there are also genetic factors involved. Obviously. But your genes are not set. They are turned on and off by the things you do to yourself.

I never did anything wrong. I did everything right and still had acne! I had tried it all! every natural organic treatment under the sun and stuck with it for more than a decade. Heathy diet never cleared or improved my acne all those years and it didn't stop me from being diagnosed with my Cancer either.

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diet is not the answer in every case.many have seen results ,many have not.

its like not all who smoke have lung cancer but that doesnt change the fact that tobacco is carcinogenic.

u cant just state there is no diet-acne connection.

Yes, there is also a genetic tendency involved. Plus what you do to yourself. Diet, sleep, stress, chemical exposures, etc.

dairy and sugar promote cancer growth.

Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

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I can say from personal experience that avoiding milk has been one of the main factors in keeping me acne free. I used to break out each time I used to have milk, but it wasn’t until one day when I simply stopped milk by accident because there wasn’t any at home that I realized it was aggravating my acne.