This. Like I've said several times... we have officers in our schools. They've stopped things from happening before it was too late. While they are there, our patrol officers go to each school several times a day to do a walk through. It's helpful.

The only issue with that is in many places the funding for police has been cut (Camden, NJ, for example, had to drastically reduce its police force), so in a lot of cases they don't have the manpower to do it.

Can't some of these religious groups just stay out of the "limelight" for just one second? Leave these families alone.

Originally Posted by F34R

This. Like I've said several times... we have officers in our schools. They've stopped things from happening before it was too late. While they are there, our patrol officers go to each school several times a day to do a walk through. It's helpful.

This is probably a really good solution.

But would that affect state schools being merged/closed down due to "funding" just to cut down on the number of cops patrolling?

Originally Posted by Wrath

You told me to study my history. However, there is no such thing as "European history" by itself. Each country has its very distinct past and needs to be examined individually before general assumptions can be made.

I don't think having teenagers in school with weapons promotes anything of a solution.

Students most certainly should not be able to handle weapons in school. Maybe, maybe,maybe college students could be allowed, but even that's a stretch. If my time in school has taught me anything it's that kids can be the worst kind of people. It's a stupid idea, and people will get hurt and killed.

Students most certainly should not be able to handle weapons in school. Maybe, maybe,maybe college students could be allowed, but even that's a stretch. If my time in school has taught me anything it's that kids can be the worst kind of people. It's a stupid idea, and people will get hurt and killed.

You do realize there are college students that carry legally everywhere but on their campus, right?

It's part of our national identity. Guns were and are an instrument of checks and balances and nothing you say is going to change that fact. Because the everyday average American has at least one firearm, the average American can push back against the worst offenses and ideas designed with tyranny and oppression in mind. Say what you will but I know that you understand this perfectly well. It has been drilled into your skull time and again with every thread concerning guns, murders, shootings, politics and the military. You're gonna have to accept the fact that we're not gonna change for anyone... ever.

as much as i dont' want to get drawn into this.... you may also have to accept these tragedies as a regular occurance if guns are so readily available. its a simple fact that if here, in the uk, (*and this is not a 'we're better than you comment, just an observation*) a student wanted to cause as much damage they would find it very difficult to get hold of a weapon capable of doing so. i'm sure they could attempt something similar, but its the scale that makes this so shocking, and its the weapon that facilitated the scale.

and, in all honesty, the idea of checks and balances is wildly outdated imo. if the government turned on the population it would have the army on side. and if that was the case, you'd lose, or the army would shy away from slaughtering you. its probably why the second amendment can't be wheeled out in defense of owning a tank.

and this is ignoring the fact that no western government would want to turn on its population anyway. you are already where they want you. you make them, and those around them, rich. you seen any of the members of congress suffering from austerity? because our parliament certainly isn't....

Well anybody read one of the more recent news posts on the home page? Wouldn't you know Video games were mentioned as a possible contributer to this. For the simple reason that people are saying that the guy was a gamer. Figures. That's what the media tends to do when they don't have answers. They have to blame something. Guns were the first thing, now games are being mentioned. I would be interested to see an autopsy report. A "normal" person just doesn't do something like this.

Well anybody read one of the more recent news posts on the home page? Wouldn't you know Video games were mentioned as a possible contributer to this. For the simple reason that people are saying that the guy was a gamer. Figures. That's what the media tends to do when they don't have answers. They have to blame something. Guns were the first thing, now games are being mentioned. I would be interested to see an autopsy report. A "normal" person just doesn't do something like this.

its just diversionary i guess.

out of interest, why aren't gun laws tighter in terms of where you can keep them? ie a lock box?

would most object to this? i know its not perfect by any means, but might stop kids getting hold of them so arbitrarily

Ok this comparing cultures have got to stop. If USA was to suddenly ban guns they would still be easy to get just like DRUGS, WHICH ARE ILLEGAL YET EASY TO GET, and it would cause more violence, JUST LIKE BANING ALCHOOL DID. Most gun related incidence have, AND HAS BEEN LINKED MANY TIMES IN THREAD, been used with a relative weapons. This is more of a case of someone not locking up their guns properly and you can not baby sit everyone. I have guns and they are all locked in a safe where only me and wife know pass code.

Bottom line is it is far to late to out right ban guns like some people suggest. We are looking at guns and not one of you "ban gun" people have even show the slightest interest in, make health care not a business and re-institutionalize America so those who have mental problems get the help they need, argument even a hint of acknowledgement. STOP looking at the tool and start asking yourselves why a person with mental sickness was not given the help he needed(of course this post will prob be ignored like my others because it shifts focus from guns and guns are bad mmmkay)

Originally Posted by J3ff3

its just diversionary i guess.

out of interest, why aren't gun laws tighter in terms of where you can keep them? ie a lock box?

would most object to this? i know its not perfect by any means, but might stop kids getting hold of them so arbitrarily

A GOOD gun owner would have their guns locked up aside from the home defense one. Sadly most do not do this.

Ok this comparing cultures have got to stop. If USA was to suddenly ban guns they would still be easy to get just like DRUGS, WHICH ARE ILLEGAL YET EASY TO GET, and it would cause more violence, JUST LIKE BANING ALCHOOL DID. Most gun related incidence have, AND HAS BEEN LINKED MANY TIMES IN THREAD, been used with a relative weapons. This is more of a case of someone not locking up their guns properly and you can not baby sit everyone. I have guns and they are all locked in a safe where only me and wife know pass code.

Bottom line is it is far to late to out right ban guns like some people suggest. We are looking at guns and not one of you "ban gun" people have even show the slightest interest in, make health care not a business and re-institutionalize America so those who have mental problems get the help they need, argument even a hint of acknowledgement. STOP looking at the tool and start asking yourselves why a person with mental sickness was not given the help he needed(of course this post will prob be ignored like my others because it shifts focus from guns and guns are bad mmmkay)

A GOOD gun owner would have their guns locked up aside from the home defense one. Sadly most do not do this.

people will always go undiagnosed with mental health issues. people will always have 'breaks', when otherwise recovered. adequate profiling and mental health provision will not prevent this. legislation on who and what people have access to, weapons wise, will.

regardless, being against your current gun laws, or their justification =/= an outright ban on weapons. it can also mean considering what regulation is put in place. we can have guns here, they are just strictly controlled, and penalties are harsh. you need to be less worried about comparisons with other countries, and more worried about whether you neighbours are as stringent and sensible with their firearms as you are.

unfortunately, as you say, a GOOD owner would have them locked away, but the problem is, as gun supporters point out, that people are the problem. its a problem that laws and legal systems are designed to help.

people will always go undiagnosed with mental health issues. people will always have 'breaks', when otherwise recovered.

and besides being against your current gun laws, or their justification =/= an outright ban on weapons. it can also mean considering what regulation is put in place. we can have guns here, they are just strictly regulated. you need to be less worried about comparisons with other countries, and more worried about whether you neighbours are as stringent and sensible with their firearms as you are.

unfortunately, as you say, a GOOD owner would have them locked away, but the problem is, as gun supporters point out, that people are the problem. its a problem that laws and legal systems are designed to help.

I fully agree with you, I was aiming at the people who did say ban all guns in USA will magicly solve it. There have been a few, Stricter gun laws? now I will have to see what defines that but I do not think we need it as much as we need people to just have a little bit more common sense with guns. The law can only do so much. Bottom line is stupid people will always be stupid. Common sense is not a strong point in USA I admit that and so will anyone who has worked retail here lol.