pipopak wrote: Sorry!. Sorry! (running for cover).Na, It's all right, but I HATE geared steam, just don't like them, the Heisler's are about the only ones I like, but they are carzy hard to find, and I am going to go with a fleet of 2-6-2's, seeing this picture from a canadian logging railway, LOVE IT! BEST PICTURE EVER!

W C Greene wrote: OK, no Shays...that limits you to modeling a rack railroad or maybe using a hoist to help pull cars up the grade. Geared locos were prefered by roads that had STEEP GRADES because they could do the job. Rod locos are fine, but they ain't geared. Possibly that outside frame 2-8-0 would do fine on grades since the weight is down over (and around) the drivers. But then, you could make any rod loco model pull grades if you put traction tires on all the drivers and ran with onboard batteries and radio control (traction tires won't allow track power pickup)

Some of the early logging lines used used 2-6-0 as power but they were mostly a size smaller and older that the Bachmann loco, more like the large scale one. 2-6-0's were quite popular on the southern swamp logging lines - I think a couple of these locos survive in Disney ownership, but these were much, much smaller locos again.

In general 2-6-2 were preferred for logging service but there were not that many of these on the narrow gauge - on NG lines in general the 2-8-0 was by far the most popular loco.

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tebee wrote: Some of the early logging lines used used 2-6-0 as power but they were mostly a size smaller and older that the Bachmann loco, more like the large scale one. 2-6-0's were quite popular on the southern swamp logging lines - I think a couple of these locos survive in Disney ownership, but these were much, much smaller locos again.

In general 2-6-2 were preferred for logging service but there were not that many of these on the narrow gauge - on NG lines in general the 2-8-0 was by far the most popular loco.Thanks, maybe I'll just go with what ever engine I pick up, am buying a custom kitbash of an IHC 2-6-0 and a Ken Kidder 4-6-0 chassis, and will convert it to Sn42.

To tell you the truth, I have been throwing out random numbers that sound good to me, but could you show me a chart of what different grades look like? I am thinking a 1% grade, after this video........