Great post nice and easy to understand, you guys helped me back in the summer when i was struggling doing a coarse of just deca and dianabol, got deca dick etc got some great advice on pct. that was only my second cycle so i was thinking of going back to basics and doing your beginers routine, just a couple of basic questions.

is test ethenate much different from sustanon (guy at gym sells sus 250).during 10 weeks on test you dont take anything else (unless you get symptoms of gyno).then start pct 2 weeks after last hit of test.no need for HCG at end of cycle just nolv and clomidis it better to rotate injections ie week 1 gluts week 2 delts to keep receptors fresh or would 10 weeks injecting in your gluts not make any difference.

thanks Rich

I wouldnt take any "Sus" floating around the USA out of a 10cc vial.1cc amps only.Karachi/Paki/Greek or Dutch Organon if its still out there.There also several Mid east countries make real SUs. Single amps with paper lables is the rule.The packing quality tells you its real. Avoid UG gear period IMO.

I personaly take some HCG or CLomid 5 days after last shot or TE. If it was real SUStanon (unlikely in a 10cc) 17th day. {Crash is about day 21 after a sus shot, longacting decanoate ester}

Hi Trab hope your keeping well, thanks for all your help in the summer. can you do me a favour please and outline your pct coarse FULLY inc timings and drugs, 1- if i use sus 250x2 per week for 10 weeks (the guy at gym geets it from greece). 2- if i use test eth 250x2 per week for 10 weeks.

Hi Trab hope your keeping well, thanks for all your help in the summer. can you do me a favour please and outline your pct coarse FULLY inc timings and drugs, 1- if i use sus 250x2 per week for 10 weeks (the guy at gym geets it from greece). 2- if i use test eth 250x2 per week for 10 weeks.

Your help is much appreciated Rich

I never use by a "recipe". I go by how I feel and what I got/ can get/ price.

The thing with Real 4 ester Sus is to avoid the crash at about the 21 day point after last shot. I crash like clockworkon 21 unless Ive built up a Hell of a level of the stuff, then a bit later.

TE or TC? I'm hittin' some HCG or clomid 5 days after last shot. I tapper down the last shots, many guy dont like that.

Sometime I use HCG at end, sometime not. If so, I'm leaning to smaller 500iu doses these days myself. (Bigger shots if midcycle use of HCG for me 1000iu). 20mg nolva w/ the HCG allways for me.

If I use HCG at end, I'll like some clomid after that. 100mg ed for 10-14 days.Nothing wrong with 20mg ed nolva after them clomid is gone.

ALL that said, I just came off with nothing but tapper down the test to 200mg ew. I Feel ok in 6 weeks.

New to the site. Thanks in advance for the info. I am 37, 5ft 8inches, 184 and a six pack showing, estimated 10-12% bf. Diet is pretty strict with 2500 calories, 200 g of protein and 300-350 g of carbs all over 5-6 meals and been training and lifting hard for 8 years. Ready to go to the next level. I am going to go with the recommendations listed in this posting for a first cycle. The 10 week cycle of test e and d-bol. My question is on the d-bol you mention 4 weeks. Would this be for the first 4 weeks? thanks

New to the site. Thanks in advance for the info. I am 37, 5ft 8inches, 184 and a six pack showing, estimated 10-12% bf. Diet is pretty strict with 2500 calories, 200 g of protein and 300-350 g of carbs all over 5-6 meals and been training and lifting hard for 8 years. Ready to go to the next level. I am going to go with the recommendations listed in this posting for a first cycle. The 10 week cycle of test e and d-bol. My question is on the d-bol you mention 4 weeks. Would this be for the first 4 weeks? thanks

New to the site. Thanks in advance for the info. I am 37, 5ft 8inches, 184 and a six pack showing, estimated 10-12% bf. Diet is pretty strict with 2500 calories, 200 g of protein and 300-350 g of carbs all over 5-6 meals and been training and lifting hard for 8 years. Ready to go to the next level. I am going to go with the recommendations listed in this posting for a first cycle. The 10 week cycle of test e and d-bol. My question is on the d-bol you mention 4 weeks. Would this be for the first 4 weeks? thanks

Yup, esp for 1st timers.Dbol very supressive.

Here, I'll sum up my personal AAS theory in a nutshell.

ANdrogenic compounds first, leading to anabolic ones and tapper down.Learn what drugs are more androgenic, and how long they last in the body and you can work with anything you can find.

This is my first time on here, so please be gentle. I dont consider myself to be a hard gainer but recently I feel like I have plateaued. I am considering an anabolic agent like D-Bol. My question is whether or not there is a difference between Dianabol and D-BOL. I know one is legal and the other isn't. Thanks for help.

Dianabol - methadrostenadione: the oral anabolic steroid, originally developed in 1950's to counter malnutrition in post-war children, etc...

Great article, the whole string is helping me out a ton. This will be my first cycle, I am doing Testosterone Enanthate and Nandralone Decanoate stack wich you said you recomend. I think I have everything I need except per your recomendations I am short on the post cycle drugs. So I am sure some if this is redundant or elementarty but hoping you guys could be gentle and help me out. This is my first post.

1st) I thought I could break the shots into two per week overall. Like Sunday stack 250mg of Deca and 250mg of Test and then wednesday do 250mgs of just the test. Is that not true?2nd) Is post cycle clowmid and or Nolvadex easy to get? Is it over the counter? 3rd) With the cycle I am doing (10 weeks) Deca / Test is gyno common? I will make sure I am prepared just wondering what the likely hood of this is?

Great article, the whole string is helping me out a ton. This will be my first cycle, I am doing Testosterone Enanthate and Nandralone Decanoate stack wich you said you recomend. I think I have everything I need except per your recomendations I am short on the post cycle drugs. So I am sure some if this is redundant or elementarty but hoping you guys could be gentle and help me out. This is my first post.

1st) I thought I could break the shots into two per week overall. Like Sunday stack 250mg of Deca and 250mg of Test and then wednesday do 250mgs of just the test. Is that not true?2nd) Is post cycle clowmid and or Nolvadex easy to get? Is it over the counter? 3rd) With the cycle I am doing (10 weeks) Deca / Test is gyno common? I will make sure I am prepared just wondering what the likely hood of this is?

Thanks Guys

1. This is fine.

2. It's easy to get but not OTC.

3. It's a 50/50 thing...some guys get it some don't. If you use over a long period over and over though, odds are at some point you'll get something.

Are you sure it's torn and not just strained or pulled? A strain or pull in the pec can really hurt but it's not a tear. Have you actually had it looked at?

I've stayed on during an injury before...I was probably about 8wks or so into a cycle when I twisted a vertebra in my back. After that training was limited but I did everything I could still do...no squats no deads but most other things were fine as long as I didn't jerk around...in the end it made my form better on a lot of things cause I had to make sure I stayed really tight. Anyway, I was back to full steam in 12wks and this was after they told me it would be 6months...doc didn't know what to think or how or why it happened...could it have been the gear, lol?