Re: Margaret Thatcher, Former UK PM, Dead At 87

Can you hear it in the distanceCan you sense it far awayIs it old Rudolph the reindeerIs it Santa on his sleighIt's heading up to EasingtonIt's coming down the TyneOh it's bloddy Maggie ThatcherAnd Michael Heseltine

chorus

So merry Christmas Maggie ThatcherMay God's love be with youWe all sing together in one breathMerry Christmas Maggie ThatcherWe all celebrate today'Cause it's one day closer to your death

They've come to raid your stockingsAnd to steal your Christmas pudBut don't be too downheartedIt's all for your own goodThe economic infrastructureMust be swept awayTo make way for call centresAnd lower rates of pay[repeat chorus]

And they've brought their fascist boot boysAnd they've brought the boys in blueAnd the whole Trade Union CongressWill be at the party tooAnd they'll all hold hands togetherAll standing in a line'Cause they're privatising SantaThis merry Christmas time[repeat chorus]

So, I take it this is one funeral at which Elton John did not sing a eulogy?

rjm

Re: Margaret Thatcher, Former UK PM, Dead At 87

Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:43 am

This is the first time I've visited FECC to post for a couple of months now. I thought I'd drop by the Off Topic section and see what you guys have made of some of the recent big events that have happened like Thatcher's death, the Boston bombings etc.

And quite frankly, I am appalled and disgusted by some of the comments here. I find it disgusting people think it is OK to 'celebrate' her death. We are not talking about Saddam Hussein or Osama Bin Laden. This lady is not a criminal. You may not have liked her policies, but was she really that bad for you that you celebrate her death? We are talking about a mother, a grandmother and one of the great Prime Ministers of our country.

You know, I'm of the silent majority. I'm not one of these middle class left wing 'champagne socialists' or one of these northern moaners who want everything in life handed to them on a plate. I'm just a regular, working class Londoner who works hard to make a living for myself. To me, Thatcher was and remains a hero. Unlike the phony politics of today's 'spin doctors', she had her beliefs, and whether you agreed with them or not, she stuck by them and didn't give a toss if you didn't like them or not. You have to admire here spirit, at the very least. She was also a great patriot, who served her country greater than any Prime Minister bar Churchill.

I'm of that silent majority, of whom some 250,000 lined the streets of London on Wednesday to dutifily pay our respects to the woman who put the 'Great' back into Britain again. It was a tremendous send off and it re-affirmed by hope in this country's values.

Re: Margaret Thatcher, Former UK PM, Dead At 87

Sat Apr 20, 2013 1:02 pm

Good Time Charlie wrote:This is the first time I've visited FECC to post for a couple of months now.

Good hope its your last post for another couple of months. northern moaners who want everything in life handed to them on a plate ! what a crock of sh*t !!! and the rest of your post ain't any better

Re: Margaret Thatcher, Former UK PM, Dead At 87

Sat Apr 20, 2013 2:08 pm

the greatest ever prime minister, for the socialist's who say she ruined the country when she took over the dead were not getting buried 4 foot of rubbish on the streets,inflation at 30% and everyone on strike or if you were lucky 3 day week.they also forget that harold wilson's labour government closed 250 mining pits to maggies 125 pits,they choose to forget this and when they come out with she ruined the country how much worse could it possibly get?if these mines were profit making then would they have closed i think not they were a massive burden on the british tax payer.this could not go on as with british steel the biggest loss maker approx 1 million a day she privatised it its still going under the tata steel logo, and doing very well i should know i work for them for the last 29 years.

Re: Margaret Thatcher, Former UK PM, Dead At 87

Sat Apr 20, 2013 2:34 pm

myalfie wrote:the greatest ever prime minister, for the socialist's who say she ruined the country when she took over the dead were not getting buried 4 foot of rubbish on the streets,inflation at 30% and everyone on strike or if you were lucky 3 day week.they also forget that harold wilson's labour government closed 250 mining pits to maggies 125 pits,they choose to forget this and when they come out with she ruined the country how much worse could it possibly get?if these mines were profit making then would they have closed i think not they were a massive burden on the british tax payer.this could not go on as with british steel the biggest loss maker approx 1 million a day she privatised it its still going under the tata steel logo, and doing very well i should know i work for them for the last 29 years.

I know you're just jesting with us here.But in your underlying message to us.. I agree- she was bad.

Maggie trumphed anything Labour ever did... Record high unemployment(still not beaten to this day) Record high Interest rates(still not beaten to this day). Presided over 2 MAJOR recessions(I believe the current lot will smash this record though). Devasted whole communities and left nothing, absolutely nothing in place to help. She dished out untold misery on millions of people; again with no support or help.Glad you survived in a working capacity, many millions didn't, but you were all right.

Re: Margaret Thatcher, Former UK PM, Dead At 87

Sat Apr 20, 2013 3:20 pm

Myalfie and Daylon, the issue here is that you are both right - and that is why we shouldn't take for granted either side without looking at all the facts. Thatcher has been somehow divorced from the historical context. Most people who talk about Thatcher don't know the state the country was in when she took over.

Myalfie is correct in saying the following:

when she took over the dead were not getting buried 4 foot of rubbish on the streets,inflation at 30% and everyone on strike or if you were lucky 3 day week.they also forget that harold wilson's labour government closed 250 mining pits to maggies 125 pits

Daylon, on the other hand ,is also correct in saying the following:

Maggie trumphed anything Labour ever did... Record high unemployment(still not beaten to this day) Record high Interest rates(still not beaten to this day). Presided over 2 MAJOR recessions(I believe the current lot will smash this record though). Devasted whole communities and left nothing, absolutely nothing in place to help.

Nothing is black and white.

Re: Margaret Thatcher, Former UK PM, Dead At 87

Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:43 pm

rjm wrote:So, I take it this is one funeral at which Elton John did not sing a eulogy?

rjm

Hahahaha, can you imagine another "Candle in the wind" with Thatcher lyrics?By the way, did you like the song? Catchy, isn't it?

For the rest of you, my friends in Liverpool want to sing a song for you

Re: Margaret Thatcher, Former UK PM, Dead At 87

Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:14 am

Good Time Charlie wrote:This is the first time I've visited FECC to post for a couple of months now. I thought I'd drop by the Off Topic section and see what you guys have made of some of the recent big events that have happened like Thatcher's death, the Boston bombings etc.

And quite frankly, I am appalled and disgusted by some of the comments here. I find it disgusting people think it is OK to 'celebrate' her death. We are not talking about Saddam Hussein or Osama Bin Laden. This lady is not a criminal. You may not have liked her policies, but was she really that bad for you that you celebrate her death? We are talking about a mother, a grandmother and one of the great Prime Ministers of our country.

You know, I'm of the silent majority. I'm not one of these middle class left wing 'champagne socialists' or one of these northern moaners who want everything in life handed to them on a plate. I'm just a regular, working class Londoner who works hard to make a living for myself. To me, Thatcher was and remains a hero. Unlike the phony politics of today's 'spin doctors', she had her beliefs, and whether you agreed with them or not, she stuck by them and didn't give a toss if you didn't like them or not. You have to admire here spirit, at the very least. She was also a great patriot, who served her country greater than any Prime Minister bar Churchill.

I'm of that silent majority, of whom some 250,000 lined the streets of London on Wednesday to dutifily pay our respects to the woman who put the 'Great' back into Britain again. It was a tremendous send off and it re-affirmed by hope in this country's values.

Northern moaners? Thats a bit of a generic offensive comment. I know that because of these comments I can tell that you dont read much outwith the tabloid newspapers.

Do you know what happens when you take everyones tax money and invest it mostly in one area, namely London, what do you think you will have? Plenty of jobs of course. Do you know what happens when less money is invested in one area? fewer jobs. Its all right for you where billions of pounds have been invested. But a bit condescending when you insult people where little has been invested.And for our northern english readers...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-16235349"Transport spending 'skewed towards London' The Institute for Public Policy Research North says £2,700 is spent per person in London compared with £5 per head in the north-east of England."

As for making comparison, I can compare her to anyone I feel I think she deserves to be compared to. In one way I can say that Saddam Hussein has not affected my life but Maggie Thatcher has...and Thatcher has affected many lives in this country to their detriment over 30 years. In the Falklands war, Thatcher ordered the sinking of the Belgrano leaving over 300 dead when it was outside and moving away from the exclusion zone. Thatcher was friendly with several dictators while happily supplying them with weapons which were used to kill many innocent people, dictators including Saddam Hussein and Pinochet. You can take a day off work "celebrate" her if you like, you are a bit naive.

On one more note, as for socialism. London receives more per head from the Government that any other part of the UK. And thats not including any of the hidden subsidies the city receives.

Re: Margaret Thatcher, Former UK PM, Dead At 87

Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:22 am

javilu wrote:

rjm wrote:So, I take it this is one funeral at which Elton John did not sing a eulogy?

rjm

Hahahaha, can you imagine another "Candle in the wind" with Thatcher lyrics?By the way, did you like the song? Catchy, isn't it?

It's a . . . uh . . . CHRISTMAS SONG!!!

If someone came out with something like that in the States, they'd be strung up. Remember the Dixie Chicks? And what they said wasn't even close to that! Interesting.

rjm

Re: Margaret Thatcher, Former UK PM, Dead At 87

Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:36 pm

rjm wrote:

javilu wrote:

rjm wrote:So, I take it this is one funeral at which Elton John did not sing a eulogy?

rjm

Hahahaha, can you imagine another "Candle in the wind" with Thatcher lyrics?By the way, did you like the song? Catchy, isn't it?

It's a . . . uh . . . CHRISTMAS SONG!!!

If someone came out with something like that in the States, they'd be strung up. Remember the Dixie Chicks? And what they said wasn't even close to that! Interesting.

rjm

Elton John can do as he pleases! He's beyond good and bad haha.What did you think about the other video? The one with the Liverpool fans.

Re: Margaret Thatcher, Former UK PM, Dead At 87

Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:23 pm

javilu wrote:

rjm wrote:

javilu wrote:

rjm wrote:So, I take it this is one funeral at which Elton John did not sing a eulogy?

rjm

Hahahaha, can you imagine another "Candle in the wind" with Thatcher lyrics?By the way, did you like the song? Catchy, isn't it?

It's a . . . uh . . . CHRISTMAS SONG!!!

If someone came out with something like that in the States, they'd be strung up. Remember the Dixie Chicks? And what they said wasn't even close to that! Interesting.

rjm

Elton John can do as he pleases! He's beyond good and bad haha.What did you think about the other video? The one with the Liverpool fans.

Like i said before somewhere, you can take the scouser out of liverpool (in this instance, on the train) but you'll never take liverpool out of the scouser. Once red, always red!