If you want to let your overdeveloped sperm shot run around and piss and schitt all over your house, then go ahead and do so. But, if you are going to go out in public then put a damned diaper on the brat. Oh, and I really do hope that cops start issuing tickets to the parents if they catch them having their brats go to the bathroom out in public.

I AM PARENT! I have made BABBY! You are NOT parent, you may not comment. You WILL enjoy my babby's feces and urine. You MUST! Complaining about babby feces on your restaurant table makes you a BAD person! How DARE you question the sanctity of my babby's feces and urine? You should be arrested for disliking feces and urine, you hateful horrible person! I am Parent- I have SPOKEN!

If I went to a friend's house and the floor was covered in bowls and the kid was running around naked and the bowls were for kid crap, I'd have one less friend.

If I went to my car and there was a parent getting his kid to crap between my car and another, I would have some words to say, mainly to the police officer who responded to my call and the photos taken of the parent and kid who crapped between my car and someone else's. If dog owners have to clean up after their dogs, these parents should be doing the same exact thing.

Also, "free elimination" is fine when you're a small village of 150 people and you don't care about hookworm, giardia, cholera and other fun parasites. You won't overload the local environment's ability to deal with the waste, unless there's a flood or something. Sure, it's not "natural" for children to wear diapers, but it's not "natural" for humans to live in communities of over 1000 people, if history is any indication. Any number greater than that and you might want to start giving some forethought about where and how you deal with waste.

Yep. Kids just wear pants with a little slit cut in the crotch, and shiat or piss whenever and wherever they need. Adults spit everywhere, chew with their mouths open, slurp their soup, stand on toilet seats and cut in lines.

Also, is there a vaccination available yet for the overwhelming desire to somehow be different and unique in a ridiculous fashion for no good reason whatsoever? How about this, you want to be different so bad, here comes the magical make-you-special genie *POOF* you've farking got scoliosis and 6 fingers on one hand, are you happy now?

Which is exactly the forward-thinking ecological paradise we should be emulating.

"But mostly, they say, they like feeling more in touch with their babies' most intimate functions. "

Lock up every one of those pedos.

"I have absolutely been at parties and witnessed people putting their baby over the sink," she said. One client took her baby and her bowl to a party, held her naked baby over the bowl, "and she just did it at this person's party in the corner, but obviously they were close friends," Ms. Shapiro said.

Also, is there a vaccination available yet for the overwhelming desire to somehow be different and unique in a ridiculous fashion for no good reason whatsoever? How about this, you want to be different so bad, here comes the magical make-you-special genie *POOF* you've farking got scoliosis and 6 fingers on one hand, are you happy now?

You know what is also normal in China?

Bird flu.

The Indians dump their dead into the Ganges river, which they they also drink from, fish in, and dump their sewage into as well.

Just because it's normal somewhere else does not mean it's acceptable here.

I would bet money the first item of clothing ever evented by cavemen was the diaper because they were smart enough to realize a small, mobile poop machine was a bad thing. Congratulations, hipsters, you failed at something so easy even a caveman could do it.

Also, is there a vaccination available yet for the overwhelming desire to somehow be different and unique in a ridiculous fashion for no good reason whatsoever? How about this, you want to be different so bad, here comes the magical make-you-special genie *POOF* you've farking got scoliosis and 6 fingers on one hand, are you happy now?

Ms. Shapiro scattered little bowls around the house to catch her daughter's offerings, and her sister insisted that she use a big, dark marker to mark the bowls so that they could never find their way back to the kitchen.

BarkingUnicorn:"I have absolutely been at parties and witnessed people putting their baby over the sink," she said. One client took her baby and her bowl to a party, held her naked baby over the bowl, "and she just did it at this person's party in the corner, but obviously they were close friends," Ms. Shapiro said.

GTFO of my house.

What I wanna know is, if you've got the time to go put baby over the sink, why not just hold baby over the TOILET already?

Meanwhile I can kinda see the appeal of the communication thing. I mean, I'm lazy, so if I managed to recognize when the kid was going to poop/pee and whisk the kid off to the bathroom, off with the diaper, put her on the toilet - great, saves a diaper (we used cloth, so just put it back on like pants) plus one soiled diaper change. Win win. I've done this babysitting, anyway (with a slightly older kid though, not an infant).

But to not put diapers on the kid at all, that's just waaaaaayyyyyy too risky unless yeah, your plan is the kid just poops/pees wherever. At which point, keep it to your own yard, plz.

HairBolus:The article seems more of an every day thing as seen in China.

Yeah, but look at that kid - old enough to walk around and play. Surely that's more about not having to remove clothes than anything else? If there was a toilet at the park rather than a tree, the kid could go in there? If 3 month old babies are wearing split pants, how are they avoiding just peeing where they are and parents not getting there in time?

Also, ARE little infant babies wearing split pants? In Japan from a long time ago babies wore/wear "diapers," not really anything specialize but cloth (rags from old clothes, etc) tied down there that got washed. Older kids could do the squat thing, no need for split pants though since the traditional wear is already open on the bottom.

res_nihil:Do cloth diapers really save that much waste? I'd imagine that the water and other resources you'd need to wash them as often as you do would negate other environmental impacts, and unless you're composting or making fertalizer with the feces it still has to be disposed of somehow (or is it just flushed?).

At least you're flushing the dirty water away to a wastewater treatment facility, instead of bundling fecal material into a hermetically-sealed shiatbomb to be buried in a local landfill.

Parents are drawn to the method as a way of preserving the environment from the ravages of disposable diapers...

Fair point, but what's the environmental impact of dealing with the sanitary issues from having kids defecate all over the place? To be more specific, if this parenting method results in people getting sick more often, the environmental costs of combatting the sickness could be greater than the diapers?

It just reminds me of people buying those reusable shopping bags where more oil goes into their creation than several hundred plastic bags.

"They are more popular among older, affluent parents in larger cities, and can charge up to $1,000 for three visits (before, during and after birth).[7] "

"There is a lack of standardization and oversight of doulas, with multiple organizations providing different courses with varying requirements. There is no formal or universally recognized certification process or training requirements, and anyone can refer to themselves as a doula.[5] No academic credentials such as a college or university diploma, or high school equivalency are required.[7] In contrast, in the United States a certified nurse-midwife can deliver a baby outside of a hospital and without doctor's assistance but is a conventionally trained nurse who has undergone an extra one to two years of training.[7]Doulas do not require or receive any medical training.[7] In North America training generally takes the form of a two to three day seminar, and some experience with childbirth."

So when they're in their crib do they just piss and sh*t all over themselves?

If you propped your boy baby on the toilet like the kid in the article--he'd pee all over the wall and toilet tank. If he did that in public--are you a responsible enough parent to clean up the mess? I bet not. I think people like this are likely to be "me-firsters".

Want to raise your crotchfruit like a monkey? Then go live in the rain forest.

Fark It:But "elimination communication," as the diaper-free method of child-rearing is called, is finding an audience in the hipper precincts of New York City.Ms. Shapiro, who is a doula, a birth and child-rearing coach, says it is practically now a job qualification to at least be able to offer diaper-free training as an option to clients. Caribou Baby, an "eco-friendly maternity, baby and lifestyle store" on the border of artsy Greenpoint and Williamsburg,

And that's the point where I stopped reading.

Let me just say that there are times I am very, very glad I live in the Midwest.

LiberalEastCoastElitist:Feral_and_Preposterous: So when they're in their crib do they just piss and sh*t all over themselves?

Apparently one of the parents is hovering over the child 24 hours a day.

I swear, half the trendy parenting advice right now is setting feminism back 50 years. Why use a stroller when mum can carry the baby for two years? Why use diapers when mum can follow baby around 24-7 with a pooper scooper? Co-sleep! Extended breastfeeding! Don't even think about an epidural! Make your own baby food from organic pureed lentils! Whatever you do, don't leave your baby's side, and don't even think about having fun!

HairBolus:Among some US parents, it is not uncommon to let kids who are near the potty training age to play without bottoms with a potty nearby in the hope they may use it. Often kids from 2 or more families are involved and it helps if one of the kids preforms correctly and can serve as a roll model.

The article seems more of an every day thing as seen in China.

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Okay, if they're near potty training age, that makes a certain amount of sense. But it still seems different, somehow, than dodging turd bowls in the kitchen.

Among some US parents, it is not uncommon to let kids who are near the potty training age to play without bottoms with a potty nearby in the hope they may use it. Often kids from 2 or more families are involved and it helps if one of the kids preforms correctly and can serve as a roll model.

Where I live, landfill space is so far down the list of environmental concerns, and water resources is the #1 problem, so yeah, I'll go with the disposable diapers. In NY, I'd imagine there is plenty of water, and not so much landfill space, so I can see where cloth might be more eco-friendly there.

No diaper is not an option in civilized society. Sorry, we quit pissing wherever we wanted generations ago, and are better off for it.

Words can't quite describe the look on my face when I was reading that. If you want to reduce waste, why not use cloth nappies like people used for centuries? They can be washed and reused, instead of buying a small country's GDP worth of disposable diapers. I don't see how letting your child urinate and defecate all over the place is preferable to buying so many boxes of Huggies, you're considered a stockholder.

But "elimination communication," as the diaper-free method of child-rearing is called, is finding an audience in the hipper precincts of New York City.Ms. Shapiro, who is a doula, a birth and child-rearing coach, says it is practically now a job qualification to at least be able to offer diaper-free training as an option to clients. Caribou Baby, an "eco-friendly maternity, baby and lifestyle store" on the border of artsy Greenpoint and Williamsburg,

AbbeySomeone:cyberspacedout: Hermione_Granger: Toilet training, she said, is a matter of conditioning, "just like Pavlov's dog," but in the United States parents begin talking about it around 18 months, with most children being potty-trained around ages 3 or even 4.

If your 4 year old is still wearing diapers you have failed as a parent.

I had a friend whose 3 year old was ALMOST fully trained, and then she got a baby sister. So she reverted to diapers to keep getting attention. It took another year to break her of that. She's a little bit special as it is, she's seven now and is still slightly behind in some stuff, but I can see this being logical when a new baby comes.

Hermione_Granger:Toilet training, she said, is a matter of conditioning, "just like Pavlov's dog," but in the United States parents begin talking about it around 18 months, with most children being potty-trained around ages 3 or even 4.

Who the fark waits until a kid is 4 year old to begin potty training? Has to be the same white people who will call the cops if your kid so much plays in their own yard without a parent hovering over them

It could have something to do with diaper manufacturers heavily advertising their products for older toddlers, giving TV watching parents the impression that not toilet training until 3 or 4 is normal. I hear it's a pretty competitive business, and wouldn't doubt that the larger companies try to manipulate public opinion in order to sell more product.

jaytkay:DerAppie: someone who is able to hit a ball using a piece of wood is to be celebrated because it takes a lot of hand-eye coordination. Someone who plays computer games is to be mocked

Ball games teach you to interact with real humans and you get some exercise.

Computer games are merely consumption - no better than watching TV.

So reading a book is even worse because you don't interact with people, you don't get exercise, you don't learn to strategise and you are merely consuming - no better than watching TV and worse than playing computer games.

specialkae:Once upon a time, there was this mythical thing called "diaper service" and the dirty diaper man would come by once a week and retrieve the soiled cloth diapers and return them clean, fresh and ready to reuse. Or so I've heard. I was a child of the 70's and my mom put cloth diapers on my believing them to be more healthy and to avoid diaper rash and paid the poop truck guy weekly. I haven't seen a diaper service truck on the streets for at least 20 years. Someone should open up a business like that again, bet they'd be in high demand.

Once upon a time, there was this mythical thing called "diaper service" and the dirty diaper man would come by once a week and retrieve the soiled cloth diapers and return them clean, fresh and ready to reuse. Or so I've heard. I was a child of the 70's and my mom put cloth diapers on my believing them to be more healthy and to avoid diaper rash and paid the poop truck guy weekly. I haven't seen a diaper service truck on the streets for at least 20 years. Someone should open up a business like that again, bet they'd be in high demand.

Leaving a kid who is ready for potty training to go free-range (no nappy etc) is one thing. That's actually the method recommended by most parents I've known. It's best when you have warm weather and a fairly private back garden they can be playing in.

Having babies and shiat, literally, all over the house just sounds like insanity. But if that's how they want to spend their time, good for them. I spent my son's baby years at his beck and call enough without adding more work for myself.

poot_rootbeer:Great Janitor: the photos taken of the parent and kid who crapped between my car and someone else's.

Actually, I'd think twice about taking pictures of someone else's 1-year-old making soft-serve in the gutter. The police might interpret it the wrong way.

Yeah, I thought about that. Angle the camera so that you can't see any infant genitals but still make it clear what is going on. That way no one can see it and scream child porn, they can see it and scream "Who the hell thinks it's a good idea to let babies crap in the streets???"

Let your kid piss and crap between my car and someone else's and you'll be washing my car while I find the owner of the other car to let him/her know that you'll be washing their's also.

Hermione_Granger:Toilet training, she said, is a matter of conditioning, "just like Pavlov's dog," but in the United States parents begin talking about it around 18 months, with most children being potty-trained around ages 3 or even 4.

Who the fark waits until a kid is 4 year old to begin potty training? Has to be the same white people who will call the cops if your kid so much plays in their own yard without a parent hovering over them

I think I get it.

40 is the new 3030 is the new 2020 is the new 1010 is the new preschoolerPreschoolers are the new infants and expected to still shiat themselves.Also explains why grown men play video games and act like babies.

My sister, when she had her first kid, didn't potty train her until she was well past her fourth birthday. My sister just used the excuse of "I am a store manager, I have to work 60 hours a week, I don't have time to potty train my daughter." Her husband didn't bother with it, he was too busy smoking pot all day and playing video games. He hasn't had a job since Bill Clinton was president, but no time to actually potty train his daughter who he lives with. My dad and stepmom were the ones who eventually potty trained her. Sadly, my sister or her worthless husband saw nothing wrong at all with a girl who they just registered for Kindergarten still wearing diapers.

This was several years ago, the daughter is now 11 and they have another daughter who is about to finish up her first year of Kindergarten. She didn't take quite so long to potty train.

Toilet training, she said, is a matter of conditioning, "just like Pavlov's dog," but in the United States parents begin talking about it around 18 months, with most children being potty-trained around ages 3 or even 4.

Who the fark waits until a kid is 4 year old to begin potty training? Has to be the same white people who will call the cops if your kid so much plays in their own yard without a parent hovering over them

I think I get it.

40 is the new 3030 is the new 2020 is the new 1010 is the new preschoolerPreschoolers are the new infants and expected to still shiat themselves.Also explains why grown men play video games and act like babies.

res_nihil:Do cloth diapers really save that much waste? I'd imagine that the water and other resources you'd need to wash them as often as you do would negate other environmental impacts, and unless you're composting or making fertalizer with the feces it still has to be disposed of somehow (or is it just flushed?).

Yes they do. I had half as much garbage the first week I switched. My wallet (read: hubby) thanks me too. I definitely spent less on water than diapers. And yes, you just flush it.

Fark It:But "elimination communication," as the diaper-free method of child-rearing is called, is finding an audience in the hipper precincts of New York City.Ms. Shapiro, who is a doula, a birth and child-rearing coach, says it is practically now a job qualification to at least be able to offer diaper-free training as an option to clients. Caribou Baby, an "eco-friendly maternity, baby and lifestyle store" on the border of artsy Greenpoint and Williamsburg,

My neighbor in colombia has a four year old who who would run around my condos common area who whould drop trou and poop and piss and the parents thought it was adorable until I scooped up the kids creation and put it on his doormat.He called the police on me too file a complaint and the cops showed with the colombian version of child protective services and the health department

HairBolus:Among some US parents, it is not uncommon to let kids who are near the potty training age to play without bottoms with a potty nearby in the hope they may use it. Often kids from 2 or more families are involved and it helps if one of the kids preforms correctly and can serve as a roll model.

res_nihil:Do cloth diapers really save that much waste? I'd imagine that the water and other resources you'd need to wash them as often as you do would negate other environmental impacts, and unless you're composting or making fertalizer with the feces it still has to be disposed of somehow (or is it just flushed?).

We used cloth, and the waste savings was astounding, I think. Our neighbors had a kid the same age as our son, and they used disposables, and I know they threw away bags and bags of diapers. I threw the bag of diapers in the washer every other day. Our HE washer on the small load setting uses 15 gallons of water. We used a small amount of detergent, a little bit of electricity for the washer, a small amount of gas for heating the water; they air dried quickly overnight. The difference in cost with our utility bills was negligible, so it can't have been much. The cost was dramatically less using cloth, and I felt good about not throwing disposable diapers into the landfill. I think that even creating a little extra wastewater is probably better than the plastic garbage bags filled with plastic diapers filled with human waste.

BarkingUnicorn:"I have absolutely been at parties and witnessed people putting their baby over the sink," she said. One client took her baby and her bowl to a party, held her naked baby over the bowl, "and she just did it at this person's party in the corner, but obviously they were close friends," Ms. Shapiro said.

Saw something similar in Beijing once; a father holding his toddler by the hands and feet over a trashcan so the kid could pee. This was in a grocery store, btw.

As mentioned elsewhere in the thread, Chinese toddlers often wear pants with open crotches:

/saw similar things in the army//but those were adults peeing in the sink///farking country hicks

BarkingUnicorn:"But mostly, they say, they like feeling more in touch with their babies' most intimate functions. "

Lock up every one of those pedos.

"I have absolutely been at parties and witnessed people putting their baby over the sink," she said. One client took her baby and her bowl to a party, held her naked baby over the bowl, "and she just did it at this person's party in the corner, but obviously they were close friends," Ms. Shapiro said.

GTFO of my house.

Speaking of, if a cop catches you letting your kid piss in public, are you going to get arrested and put on the sex offender registry?

Well, these are the same types of people who tether their children to leashes; basically treat their children like domesticated pets. So it's not really much of a surprise when they treat their child's bowel movements as nothing more than common dog droppings.

res_nihil:Do cloth diapers really save that much waste? I'd imagine that the water and other resources you'd need to wash them as often as you do would negate other environmental impacts, and unless you're composting or making fertalizer with the feces it still has to be disposed of somehow (or is it just flushed?).

Flush the solids, soak diapers in a bucket with detergent until you're ready to wash.

Parents are drawn to the method as a way of preserving the environment from the ravages of disposable diapers...

Fair point, but what's the environmental impact of dealing with the sanitary issues from having kids defecate all over the place? To be more specific, if this parenting method results in people getting sick more often, the environmental costs of combatting the sickness could be greater than the diapers?

It just reminds me of people buying those reusable shopping bags where more oil goes into their creation than several hundred plastic bags.

Do cloth diapers really save that much waste? I'd imagine that the water and other resources you'd need to wash them as often as you do would negate other environmental impacts, and unless you're composting or making fertalizer with the feces it still has to be disposed of somehow (or is it just flushed?).

DRTFA, but when it was time for my kids to be potty trained, this is the way the wife did it. Worked like a charm, but she only did it around the house. Only one or two accidents and the kid is trained.