Re: Mind Sear : Crit and Inner Focus

I haven't tried it with mind sear yet, altough I did with mindflay. Hard to tell with a 3min CD but the few times (2-3) I used it with mindflay I didn't really see it crit more often.

But on another note: I've read here and on the shadowpriest forums that raiders use inner focus with shadowword pain always. Why is that? SWP mana cost isn't that high?

Then I thought "Uh, maybe the +25% crit chance from inner focus gives SWP +25% damage through shadowform". Tried it but it didn't work

So why Inner Focus + SWP? I always use Inner focus with Mindblast.

It used to be the spell with the highest cost of all (not sure if Dev. Plague tops it now), and pre-patch 3, the shadowpriest mana efficiency sucked balls. So you had to save mana everywhere you could, since an OOM priest is a useless priest.

Nowadays we got more mana regen, more mana regenerating abilities and lower CD on the shadowfiend, so I'd definitely use it for Mind Blast

Re: Mind Sear : Crit and Inner Focus

Originally Posted by Nezoia

We're talking NOW, not 1½ month ago.

Much realized. Hence the entire post being in past-tense. Was merely commenting. Honestly, once I have the points to pick up IF, I'll probably use it most often for Mind Blast or SW when I want to get an Imp. Spirit Tap to proc. The mana regen for that will probably outweigh the fact that I could be using IF for a more expensive spell, and it ought to be a better damage increase than using it for a DoT.

Re: Mind Sear : Crit and Inner Focus

I don't have the numbers for you, but 750 mana seems a bit high. Max rank SW:P is 22% of base mana, while MB is 17% of base mana. 5% difference means, for your numbers to be right, we'd need 15,000 base mana.

Re: Mind Sear : Crit and Inner Focus

Originally Posted by Mosshorn

I don't have the numbers for you, but 750 mana seems a bit high. Max rank SW:P is 22% of base mana, while MB is 17% of base mana. 5% difference means, for your numbers to be right, we'd need 15,000 base mana.

Not to be a stickler but if 750 is 22% of base then isn't base (750/22)*100? That btw, equals about 3410. Not sure where you got 15k @_@

Re: Mind Sear : Crit and Inner Focus

Originally Posted by Mosshorn

I don't have the numbers for you, but 750 mana seems a bit high. Max rank SW:P is 22% of base mana, while MB is 17% of base mana. 5% difference means, for your numbers to be right, we'd need 15,000 base mana.

Priest Base mana at level 80: 3863
22% of 3863 = 849.86

Rounded mana value: 850 mana.

Then we get 6% mana reduction though Shadow Focus

850 - ( (850 / 100) * 6 ) = 799

Or if it's applied before to the base mana percentage: 618,08 mana.

I'll have to check when I get home tomorrow, because I'm 100% sure it was a 700-number.

Re: Mind Sear : Crit and Inner Focus

My number was coming from the fact that MB and SW aren't free spells. So saying using IF on one of those might not be worth 700-whatever mana is irrelevant, because you're not taking into account the cost of MB or SW.

So the comparison needs to be: Is a 25% increased chance to crit with MB/SW (which would be a DPS increase and proc Imp. Spirit Tap, assuming you wouldn't have crit it before and now would) worth the 5%/10% of base mana difference in cost between using IF on SW:P instead?

Re: Mind Sear : Crit and Inner Focus

Originally Posted by Mosshorn

So the comparison needs to be: Is a 25% increased chance to crit with MB/SW (which would be a DPS increase and proc Imp. Spirit Tap, assuming you wouldn't have crit it before and now would) worth the 5%/10% of base mana difference in cost between using IF on SW:P instead?

Assume that with imp crit you have a 50% chance to proc whatever regen you'll get from one issue of spirit tap.

Is 50% of one tap more than the % base mana difference? How about if you consider the then 25% chance that you'll lose 1 tick by over writing with your next MB if it crits?