The Allman Brothers Band management has noticed a number of people listing Instant Live and ABB Archival CD's for trade in the Tape Trading forums. This is illegal and will not be tolerated.

We will delete listings of Instant Live and ABB Archival CD's for trade. Your account will be banned if you list an Instant Live or ABB Archival CD for trade. If this continues, we will have to take more drastic action such as taking the days with Instant Live and ABB Archival CD's out of the trading lists, or even removing the trading forums entirely from Hittin' The Web.

I know that most of you understand this is illegal and do not tolerate it. Please report anyone trading Instant Lives to me or Lana.

Where I see this the most is in the Have Recordings/Want Recordings sections following the setlists of the IL dates. Check 9/25/04, for instance. I was a bit surprised by the brazeness of the offers, as I hadn't seen this at all in the Trades forum.

It does get mentioned too often and 99% of people know the answer. Let's police ourselves so we don't ever lose the Trading part of the forum. Most people follow the policy and wishes of the band. Those that don't please show some respect.

These shows are definitely hot commodities. For instance, when I was at the Bristow show this past September a guy in front of me bought 10 copies of the show! You know he probably had the intentions of selling/trading these shows. I find it very disturbing when these people do not follow the wishes of their "favorite" bands.

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bump ^^^ we need to make sure everyone reads this, yes most of them know... but since it's here let's keep it up for a while - I sure appreciate the ABB letting us trade audience tapes and we would like to keep it that way.

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Thanks for understanding, y'all! Just to be ultra-super clear, you CAN trade an audience recording of the EXACT SAME SHOW as an Instant Live, just not the soundboard source.

Think about it, the band is saying "You can record any of our concerts, and copy and distribute them to anyone in the world. However, we ask that you not trade and/or duplicate any recordings that WE made." That's not a lot to ask, really.

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Is there a way to keep this thread on page one of this Forum? Maybe it should be in the FAQ, too.

If you check the trades forum, there is a post similar to this one. In the subject title of the thread, though, you see the word (topped) in light blue type. I assume that's a way of keeping the post on the top of the list, similar to FAQ's and "read this first" posts on other forums.

You know I've been trading off and on for about five years, and when I came back to this website after having been off the internet for several months, I had to ask about the recent Instant Live project, simply to get a clarification of what is allowed. I know it makes perfect sense that it is illegal to duplicate and trade ABB, DBGS, etc, Archive Releases, and or Instant Lives, but I still wanted to see something in print spelling out exactly, that those recordings were out of bounds in the trading circles.

Also, too many commercial recordings are mistakenly traded all of the time. I know FREEBIRD THE MOVIE, the soundtrack is constantly traded. I used to tell everyone not to trade that soundtrack. But traders trade the show as Knebworth, but the soundtrack is only a Knebworth partial, plus Asbury Park, NJ and also Oakland, CA. Most people simply did not know what they had, and I always tried to clarify the situation when I could.

The Instant Live recording is somewhat new, I think. And I had to ask others in a thread I created, just to find out if other sources, audience sources, would be available for trade. I wasn't clear as to what might be available for trade. Anyway, I have no instant lives, and only two shows from March of 2004.

And traders also should make a notation at the top of their list, or on a webpage reminding and educating traders on the novelty of the Instant Live recording, and how those recordings, the soundboard sources, are simply not for trade.

If Rowland's note had been up on the front page of this website two weeks ago, I wouldn't have had to ask my question. I think it is important that this website makes a point to educate and to warn traders that there are consequences to trading those recordings.

quote:Where I see this the most is in the Have Recordings/Want Recordings sections following the setlists of the IL dates. Check 9/25/04, for instance. I was a bit surprised by the brazeness of the offers, as I hadn't seen this at all in the Trades forum.

[Edited on 1/3/2005 by TopDroog]

And you won't.

Anytime we see an offer, someone points out that only a purchased, official show can be swapped for another purchased, official show.

Not CDR copies.

My etree list does have a few IL shows listed, but I haven't been able to notate Not For Trade.

quote:These shows are definitely hot commodities. For instance, when I was at the Bristow show this past September a guy in front of me bought 10 copies of the show! You know he probably had the intentions of selling/trading these shows. I find it very disturbing when these people do not follow the wishes of their "favorite" bands.

quote:You know I've been trading off and on for about five years, and when I came back to this website after having been off the internet for several months, I had to ask about the recent Instant Live project, simply to get a clarification of what is allowed. I know it makes perfect sense that it is illegal to duplicate and trade ABB, DBGS, etc, Archive Releases, and or Instant Lives, but I still wanted to see something in print spelling out exactly, that those recordings were out of bounds in the trading circles.

Also, too many commercial recordings are mistakenly traded all of the time. I know FREEBIRD THE MOVIE, the soundtrack is constantly traded. I used to tell everyone not to trade that soundtrack. But traders trade the show as Knebworth, but the soundtrack is only a Knebworth partial, plus Asbury Park, NJ and also Oakland, CA. Most people simply did not know what they had, and I always tried to clarify the situation when I could.

The Instant Live recording is somewhat new, I think. And I had to ask others in a thread I created, just to find out if other sources, audience sources, would be available for trade. I wasn't clear as to what might be available for trade. Anyway, I have no instant lives, and only two shows from March of 2004.

And traders also should make a notation at the top of their list, or on a webpage reminding and educating traders on the novelty of the Instant Live recording, and how those recordings, the soundboard sources, are simply not for trade.

If Rowland's note had been up on the front page of this website two weeks ago, I wouldn't have had to ask my question. I think it is important that this website makes a point to educate and to warn traders that there are consequences to trading those recordings.

This is weird question but someone got to ask it. What about Instant Live recordings that have been taken off market? I'm thinking about the 2003 shows (with the exception of Raleigh, which is still available). I think somewhere down the line that this may be an issue. Sure, if you can buy from the ABB (or people who they have designated to sell it for them) then of course the only ethical thing is to buy a copy. The "gray area" is going to come when the Instant Lives are no longer commerically available, how's one to get a copy and not feel like they are "ripping off" the band. Rowland, perhaps somebody in the band or management could "enlighten" us on this.

Fred, I'm sure that would still be taboo. But why not ask for an audience recording of the same show? The Gregg CD One More Try is out of print and I wouldn't ask anyone for a copy of that. I guess the alternative would be to check eBay.

TerriB, you brought up a good point but I am leaning towards 'no harm done if out-of-print'. I have that 'One More Try' CD and it is fantastic. I am sorry that it is out of print. I would not sell a copy of it to anyone ever, but how could I deny a listenable copy? The New Yorker recently ran a very good article on the same subject lamenting how differently we treat books, art, music, speeches, etc. when it comes to 'copyrights'. There seemed to be a double standard.

I started a thread on this forum about music that doesn't exist anymore, in any form. My example was 'Back in 72' by Bob Seger. It is gone forever and yet to this fans ears one of the best he's ever done. Since it is nowhere to be found why can't I make a copy for a friend? If Bob cared, he'd be selling the album today. I think this is slippery ground with each arguement being both true and false at the same time. I don't want to cheat anyone out of any money, but if no money is being made anywhere at all, why the harm? We have all recorded music for friends, if not from an album, from the radio.

IL's shouldn't be for trade, I agree. But I could copy the IL for myself and GIVE the origonal away. The courts support that idea.

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