Comment by Serennia

It dropped when we killed Sartharion 10-man with 2 drakes up, so yes, there's your confirmation.

Comment by cutterx2202

Used to be the best leg piece a warrior can get his hands on anywhere for dps, even better than the T7 piece.

Now that these were nerfed (they removed the arm pen), it's close between these and the T7, with the T7 looking slightly better unless you need hit. I think they should have left it as is, a fitting reward for a tough 2-drake fight vs a drop from an easy boss (T7 legs).

Comment by Gotthi

Hurts my eyes to see those legs being desecrated by crappy gems. At least get str instead of ap. :\

Comment by ferri

Is it just me or does this item seems really over-budgeted compared to the tier legs, or even this: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40318 which is the same ilevel. I mean, the Belabored Legplates has more stats in every single area and an extra 42 hit rating...

Comment by Tunasaladin

Well not to be ignorant in any way, and although Sartharion with two drakes up is no where equivalent to the difficulty of three drakes up, you have to really work on this encounter and earn it. You're essentially comparing loot (ignoring the level of the loot) to Instructor Razuvious in a 25 man setting, which is not fair. I think it suffices as a good reward for those who are able to accomplish at least two drakes up in ten man, where every person needs to be of a certain skill level.

**Edit: Also it should be stated how much easier 25 man Naxxaramas really is, and how you're able to easily carry a number of players through that content. In ten man Sartharion with two or more adds up, there is no way you can completely carry players in the same context that you can in Heroic Naxxaramas.

Comment by williambeepbeep

well seeing as how every single stat is better and it has 42 hit rating, i think you'd have to be retarded if you have a hard time telling which is better.

Comment by Serennia

These legs were unfortunately nerfed on the 3.0.8 PTR, as I just noticed on my Death Knight after copying:

After the nerf, the item budgets seem to be in line with other Sarth2D 10m drops, which are slightly worse than Naxx 25m loot. These pants, like the Great Ring of Collision are very sta heavy.

What ever happened to "risk vs reward"? This is sad, since 10m Malygos drops slightly better than Naxx 25m quality loot and I'd say this is the 3rd hardest encounter in WotLK currently, behind Sarth3D 10m and Sarth3D 25m as it requires a very specific mix of classes with a very limited number raid spots.

I agree that the budget seemed high, but that's normal with items with a wide spread of stats. Something with str, sta, and crit would seem to have a smaller budget than something with str, sta, crit, and expertise, and so on. Lets hope that Blizzard lessens the nerf and buffs the ilvl 213 loot to be at least on par with Maly 10m loot.

Comment by MasterLoco

I hadn't even noticed the nerf on these until I loaded up Rawr. These legs were indeed slightly over item budget before. They are now slightly worse then T7.5 for retribution paladins but nonetheless a very good alternative. On the other hand, I very much doubt you don't have access to the T7.5 ones while you manage to get your hands on these...

Comment by Fatebringer

By far the best leg piece a warrior can get his hands on anywhere at the moment for dps, even better than the T7 piece.

The stats may have been better then the T7, but you can never discount the value of the set bonus

Comment by ujabiji

These leggings are very poorly budgeted now compared to their tier 7.5 counterpart, despite being the same ilvl. 50 points are wasted in stamina (33.3 if you wanna get technical..), and are at best, a sidegrade if not a downgrade for many plate classes. This makes me very sad indeed, given the challenging nature of the encounter.