ISREAL: "There May Be a Major Escalation Within Hours"

Originally posted by DOLCOTT
It is sad to see all the Israeli haters, Israel has a right to defend herself and has shown remarkable restraint through the years, Secondly Palestine
has never existed, this is Israeli land from 1000's of years ago, not to mention the Biblical aspect that this land was given by God to Abraham, The
hajji's believe it is also their holy place so what more do you expect. The muslims only respond and respect force, over whelming force. Weakness as
Obama has demonstrated only fans the flames of hatred which has existed in that region for thousands of years. Let Israel handle them if they fall
short, we can provide some shock an awe.

Please, please - read your history. Israel never existed as a state - only a people (kind of like the Sioux Nation). It was created by the UN in the
aftermath of WWII.

Ignore history and facts? Well history shows the Zionist parasites tortured, murdered and ran the Palestinians out of the land back in the late 40's
after the British decided it was a great idea to simply pack their sh!t and walk out of Palestine.

Ever since, Israel has been under attackand now their paranioa is taking over. Israel deserve to be paranoid for the rest of their existence. Its what
they made for themselves.

Judging by the vast amount of stars on pro-israel comments on this thread i suddenly realized there are a LOT of ATS members who do not care about
justice and right or wrong.
They care more about politics, territory and religion.
That makes me sad

Originally posted by SrWingCommander
I love how you can be granted a strip of unincorporated, sparcely populated land by the UN, get attacked multiple times by the neighboring countries,
who lose said property due to the results of the failed attack, and then be seen as a "land thief", that's funny.....

Antiquity
Further information: History of ancient Israel and Judah and History of Palestine

The notion of the "Land of Israel", known in Hebrew as Eretz Yisrael (or Eretz Yisroel), has been important and sacred to the Jewish people since
Biblical times. According to the Torah, God promised the land to the three Patriarchs of the Jewish people.[32][33] On the basis of scripture, the
period of the three Patriarchs has been placed somewhere in the early 2nd millennium BCE,[34] and the first Kingdom of Israel was established around
the 11th century BCE. Subsequent Israelite kingdoms and states ruled intermittently over the next four hundred years, and are known from various
extra-biblical sources.[35][36][37][38]
The northern Kingdom of Israel, as well as Philistine city states fell in 722 BCE, though the southern Kingdom of Judah and several Phoenician city
states continued their existence as the region came under Assyrian rule. With the emergence of Babylonians, Judah was eventually conquered as well.

All four of the 'extra-bibical' sources cited are of recent origin (latest being 1985). Granted these are probably secondary or teriatary sources, the
Bible cannot be a sole source of authenticity. On this matter.

I don't know much more about the post Egyptian era of the Kingdom of Israel/Philstine. Not that interested. Whatever the case is the Jewish people
don't have a good claim on the land. And even less of a claim on the land that has been stolen from the Palestinians since the UN Mandate.

It's informative to look at just how much the 'Borders' have changed since the state of Israel has come into being. Here is a link to the changes
between 1946 and 2008. Tell be this is not a war of aggression.

So... you just reiterated my point that there was an Israelite state centuries ago before Palestine, but then add that you don't see any claim to
land? I'm confused. Again, you can't look at the issue based on contemporary events, there's way too many other dynamics involved that go back
centuries. Additionally not all Israelis are Jews, almost a quarter are Arab.
www.cia.gov...

So... you just reiterated my point that there was an Israelite state centuries ago before Palestine, but then add that you don't see any claim to
land? I'm confused. Again, you can't look at the issue based on contemporary events, there's way too many other dynamics involved that go back
centuries. Additionally not all Israelis are Jews, almost a quarter are Arab.
www.cia.gov...

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But with that i'm sure that others have also staked their claim to the land around Israelis pissy, short termed occupation somewhere back in the
distant past.Oh wait a minute, God just spoke to me..He said I have the rightful claims to Israel.. Should I go and claim my promised land?

Whoooaa stop the bus please I want to get off..... People just stop and take a step back and look what is happening here ,this right here is the
reason Israel and Palestine will never be at peace ,the war has started already right here on ATS.... He said she said they did it its the Jews no
it's the islamists they killed so many civilians no they killed so many of our citizens when the hell is this all going to end..... Truth be told it
probably never will ,it will take superhuman effort on both sides to talk peace and make it stick but that is the hard way it is far easier to drop
bombs and missiles on each other ,when will the people of these respective countries give their leaders (WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO BE LEADING!!!) the finger
and just come to an agreement by themselves and screw the politicians who can't see past the end of their noses on both sides.... I am tired of
watching humanity tear itself to pieces think of what we could have acheived in research and technology instead of using all our talent on finding
ways to better kill ourselves.....

Better he should just wait for them to start tossing warheads at Israel? I have relatives there and I would prefer he didn't wait for those crazy
bastards in Iran or Syria to act first. They are the one's begging for a war. Israel is not the bully. They are David fighting Goliath, again.

Where is your proof of this? All we ever see in the news is Nutjobyahoo begging for war!!

Well said. I'm a realist though and I realize there will never be world peace. That said I'm neither pro-Israel nor pro-Palestine. What I am is
pro-stable Middle-East. As much as people like to rant about the evils of U.S. oil interests, they wouldn't wine so much when the price of gas sky
rockets past 10 dollars a gallon. Not to mention all the other goods that we depend on that are petroleum products (e.g. plastics).

Well said. I'm a realist though and I realize there will never be world peace. That said I'm neither pro-Israel nor pro-Palestine. What I am is
pro-stable Middle-East. As much as people like to rant about the evils of U.S. oil interests, they wouldn't wine so much when the price of gas sky
rockets past 10 dollars a gallon. Not to mention all the other goods that we depend on that are petroleum products (e.g. plastics).

But excuse me... it's not like the US is the only country in the world.

All we ever hear is "oh dear... gas prices are high in the US... oh dear, we need to kill and invade because it's our right to have a low gas price,
even if it has consequences for other nations and its peoples.

WHAT THE # is up with that kind of mentality???! The course of the world should never be based on the needs of the average American. End of story.

# if your gas prices go high... they were too low to begin with, not adjusted to the future world we will live in. You are spoiled, naive,
careless.

So don't use the bloody argument about gas prices. Deal with the fact that you are NOT entitled to the riches of the world.... noone is. This Earth
is meant to be shared and if that means that Americans have to adjust downwards, then so be it. So many people is this world have it way harder than
they need to because someone else wants more more more more.

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