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According to commentators Infiltration thinks Guy counters Elena. Called it with Momochi trying to develop a Guy so hard.

Big Bird our savior.

Yo Keoma destroyed reiketsu, your boy may be the current best Abel tbh. It wasn't just that he won, but he basically read and shutdown everything the guy did.

I wonder why he feels that way? Does EX Hozanto counter common healing setups or something? Her normals seem better than his, and St.MK/sweep make elbow seem pretty useless. Not sure how the matchup is supposed to be played, but it's not something I can envision being in his favor, then again I'm not a world class player either.

I don't know either, but Big Bird is getting a lot of mileage out of s.mk. That no go midrange zone that Elena has where you're threatened by low or EX Mallet Smash is contested by it pretty convincingly. And for her fucked up hurtbox at least TC2 works from surprisingly long ranges, even after run overhead.

Did Reiketsu play Vega or Poison? If it was Vega it was a poor pick because Keoma regularly plays one of the best Vegas in the world imo.

Why did it take people so long to realize Keoma is legit? It's funny cause saying that last year in other communities = down voted. Especially after the ChuChu blow up. Now those same people are massaging his D. I thought his lack of travel would work against him, but his recent results say otherwise.

Reiketsu played Poison. He's actually getting manhandled lately when he picks her over Vega. Even if he loses with Vega, it's nowhere near as bad.

Making man children cry on this forum is way too easy.

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TheFreshPrinceSold so many chickens think I work for KrogerJoined: March 2012Posts: 3,725

Doubt he knew that, but went with Poison both games and got raped. He didn't know how to play the neutral against Abel at all, just kept running into EX wheel and stepkick all day into mixups. He also got U1 twice on reads (was way too fast to be a reaction), though the 2nd one whiffes due to spacing.

I gotta be honest even if you play against these guys it's hard to gauge level by comparing videos or theoretical level so I wasn't sure where our best ranked.

If Keoma is doing this well, I'll go as far as to say we also have the best Vega in the world and he could also achieve the same success (baring stuff like tournament nerves or travelling stress).

You can see how inexperience played a huge part in Keoma's losses vs MBR, for instance. We have no really legit Akuma players and so he got tagged multiple times by demon flip quick rising after EX tatsu in the corner.

Keoma vs Big Bird intrigues me a ton. Similar kind of players from regions with not enough exposure, will be interesting.

I like watching Pain.Ludo a ton too Otori, does he still play? It's a shame that Fabinho sucks, I've seen a couple other Giefs but god damn they just do shit and don't understand either neutral or do the good mixups. They rely a ton on matchup inexperience and online gimmicks.

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TheFreshPrinceSold so many chickens think I work for KrogerJoined: March 2012Posts: 3,725

The only negative thing I can say about Keoma, is that his defense is really suspect. I know lack of matchup experience plays a big part in if, but it seems like once he's knocked down against someone with good mixups, he cracks pretty hard.

I like watching Pain.Ludo a ton too Otori, does he still play? It's a shame that Fabinho sucks, I've seen a couple other Giefs but god damn they just do shit and don't understand either neutral or do the good mixups. They rely a ton on matchup inexperience and online gimmicks.

Ohhh feels good you know these players lol. I haven't heard from Ludo for over a year now, I don't recall him being in a tournament since 2013 so I'm pretty sure he stopped playing. Fabinho was actually my first tournament elimination with the j.hp, spd "combo" lol. Never got my runback.

And I wholeheartedly agree with what you said. The problem with underdeveloped communities is that people get away with scrub tactics...online here is Elena, Rolento, Hugo and Gief for the most part. If you watched the Capcom event here it was the same thing. Even big names like Bruno and Breno are not comparable to Keoma and Haztlan.

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TheFreshPrinceSold so many chickens think I work for KrogerJoined: March 2012Posts: 3,725

So there's like 70% chance of Europe getting a premier spot. America is dumb for never traveling to the events with the lesser/already qualified competition.

Europe didn't travel either. It's not that they are dumb, it's just not feasible for some. PR Balrog and Justin Wong traveled, they have a 9-5. Snakeeyez traveled and leveled up more. KBrad traveled a ton etc

But I do agree that PR Balrog had better chances here than he did at CPTA

I don't get it though. Everyone going on about how E.Ryu is S tier, yet nobody who has a pocket E.Ryu does amazingly well with it, but everybody who has a pocket Elena bodies people with her.
Is she easier to learn than E.Ryu?

She just seems more flowchart and easier to grasp a basic gameplan for. Throw a lot of lights around that can hit low and have the range of most other characters' mediums and go into full combos. I've seen Elena players that literally don't press anything other than light normals the majority of the match. Sad times. It makes Vanilla Balrog look fun.

Still need shoto fundamentals to play E.Ryu which arguably take longer to learn and don't have a health gimmick that doesn't require any real theory or practice.

Also @ArtVandelay there are top tiers that are just too difficult execution/theory wise to pocket. Zato One/Eddie in Guilty Gear is a pretty popular one. There is no pocketing that character. You either put your heart and soul into him or GTFO. You can't just run and pocket his negative edge execution and basically what is controlling 2 characters at once. MVC3 Viper is similar too. You don't just throw her out there. You have to live with her.

I don't think E.Ryu is that rough to use, but his difficulty is just at the point where pocketing him will get you blown up more than actually winning.

It's like they found a way to create a character that has most of the things I can't stand about SFIV in one character. Would be funny to have her win Capcom Cup just for the hilarity. I'm just here to watch because this is pretty much the road to SFV at this point, but man.

It's like they found a way to create a character that has most of the things I can't stand about SFIV in one character. Would be funny to have her win Capcom Cup just for the hilarity. I'm just here to watch because this is pretty much the road to SFV at this point, but man.

This would be the worst way to end the life of SF4 on the big competitive scene

I think my favorite EVO finals of all time was Daigo vs Justin playing Rog. Then again it was my first time watching EVO and getting to know fighting games at such a high level so that's probably what made it so impactful. Worst one was by far Ricky vs Daigo.

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NecrotrophicDoes not like SJWs or the alt rightJoined: June 2009Posts: 6,001

I don't get it though. Everyone going on about how E.Ryu is S tier, yet nobody who has a pocket E.Ryu does amazingly well with it, but everybody who has a pocket Elena bodies people with her.
Is she easier to learn than E.Ryu?

Evil Ryu is way harder to pick up than Elena. Elena might be the easiest character to use.

E. Ryu is def s tier but that doesnt mean hes easy, it just means hes that strong. Evil isn't for everyone, unless you have great zoning, footsies and execution, he wont work out imo

I think my favorite EVO finals of all time was Daigo vs Justin playing Rog. Then again it was my first time watching EVO and getting to know fighting games at such a high level so that's probably what made it so impactful. Worst one was by far Ricky vs Daigo.

It's like they found a way to create a character that has most of the things I can't stand about SFIV in one character. Would be funny to have her win Capcom Cup just for the hilarity. I'm just here to watch because this is pretty much the road to SFV at this point, but man.

Elena, Ken, and Yun are the only characters I have trouble thinking of someone who just straight hard-counters their shit. 5.5-4.5/6-4 are the highest I could go when thinking of the few characters who beat them.

I got upset knowing the best thing I can whiff punish Elena's Low Jab with (as Ryu) is Low Short xx EX Fireball... and it doesn't combo most of the time.

With all the hope combined... there can be a chance in SFV that Ken can, one day, walk again. #TeamWheelchair
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