According to who? And remember today's "freeloaders" as you call them would probably be reduced to freaking hobos back then. -.-

I think you're throwing shit at the wall and hoping something sticks. What I know is that it's not an option far as I'm concerned to remove it. If you were to tell me they should remove it I'd flat out call you a Quisling.

Because it was just flat out impossible to live like that back then. Sure there were more homeless people but most of those who I would today call freeloaders just manned up and did something to improve their situation. I'm not calling it perfect as there was no support for those who actually needed it like disabled or old people. You were forced to keep closer relations with your family or friends and create a small society of your own to support each other.

What I know is that it's not an option far as I'm concerned to remove it. If you were to tell me they should remove it I'd flat out call you a Quisling.

Nor did I ever say or will say anything like that. Like I said, replying to Asera's comment about all taxing being robbery, some people would just die if you suddenly removed the social support. I'm not making that decision even as a concept even though it could be the best for the human race and our future.

However I will say that I don't think those currently misusing the system are flawed per se. The system made them like that and only by changing something within could we improve it. There is different structural changes that could be made and really going in to details is impossible, like I said, it's very national specific what's the core problem. It all depends on your current social support system, wages, the wealth of your country and so on.

...isn't this the computer forum chat thread? What happened to talking about computers? Enough of this talk!

Yes and no. It is meant to keep the off-topic stuff out of threads in the Computer Forum. That being the case, it is doing a fine job.

We might be geeks, but we only talk about computers 95% of the time.

Originally Posted by Ghâzh

Maybe you haven't met that many long time unemployed people or young adults that have lived their whole life on the society's expense. There's those individuals that really have no intention of getting a job, no intention of doing any work for their lives, have extremely bad attitude and the most of all, are just ungrateful towards the help they get from the society.

I can attest to this. I've lived in a low income part of south eastern Ohio my entire life, and worked at my father's grocery store for seven years. I can say with utmost certainty that there are individuals who have absolutely no intention of ever working, who are more than happy to live on government assistance their entire lives. And the worst thing about them is: they act as if they are entitled to that assistance, even though they've done nothing to deserve it.

Please don't get me wrong, I'll all for assisting those who are down on their luck (disabled people, people who were laid off, veterans, the elderly, etc), but I'm absolutely against completely supporting people who are able but unwilling to work.

This leads us to one of the tragic things about politics: there have been thousands of debates like this the past, I don't know, 100 years, but what neither side seems to understand is that everyone wants more or less the same thing. Us socialists are all for making it as difficult as possible for freeloaders, we don't like them either. We just want to take care of those who truly are worse off, not those who choose to be, and I do think most of us do want to help those people, those who really do need it. It's just that us socialists think it's worth it to have some freeloaders until we fix the loopholes, whilst other people would rather wait spending money until everything is loophole-free, so that just those who need help, get help.

I understand and fully agree to the argument that we have to be careful about to whom we give money, because if we spend an unnecessarily large sum, to people who don't need it, then that hasn't really solved anything. We've just created new problems. There will always be idiots who want to throw a lot of money around without paying much attention to who gets it, just like there will always be heartless bastards who think that everyone who's worse off deserves living on the street, but it's vital to understand that the idiots are just as misrepresentative for socialists, as the bastards are for liberalists.

Personally, I'm really behind Cusco on this. I've got to tell Ghazh in particular though that I don't think any that he/she calls "freeloaders" would "man up" back then more than they would now. They'd just figure out a different way to leech.

I have trouble believing the 'mass' has really changed the way you want to push it. What I consider more likely is that these people just turned into hobos back then, or leeched off family, friends and partners that they might have had.

Right. My fans finally arrived and I progressed to install them. I had to remove my GPU in the process to route some cables and, to my surprise, the motherboard refused to register it after I mounted it back. Took me an hour of wiggling it in and out, changing PCIe slots, I actually broke the clip on the PCIe1 slot while trying desperately get it off before it just magically started working again. o_O Don't you just hate it when you don't know what was actually wrong in the first place?

A side note; Do you know if Asrock Extreme 6 should let you install single craphics card in the second PCIe slot with nothing in the first main slot. Or is my lower PCIe broken? :/

A side note; Do you know if Asrock Extreme 6 should let you install single craphics card in the second PCIe slot with nothing in the first main slot. Or is my lower PCIe broken? :/

As long as the card fits into the slot it shouldn't matter which slot for a single card, the board should pick it up and be good to go (at the most with a reboot). At least that's what my Asus board does, if I put the card into the second 16x PCIe slot then it picks it up right away, takes 1 reboot to associate drivers with the card (since it thinks I've put in a new card) and then good to game.

I actually managed to remove one of the clips from the bottom most pcie slot and put that on the main slot. It's a little "loser" then the rest of the clips but it works to secure the card. Still no idea why the second slot doesn't work with a single card. Will probably just leave it and worry about it later if I choose to SLI. It's not like I'm sposed to know if the second slot works when even the manual suggests using the first slot with single cards.

You guys think it might be worth it going from a BenQ XL2420T to a DELL U2312HM, image quality considered. I really won't be using 3D and the kinds of games I've been playing aren't really taking much advantaged from the 120hz. I'd like to improve on the viewing angles (it's been bothersome sometimes when playing with my girlfriend) and image quality for movies and good looking games really. I'm just wondering if the IQ difference would be noticeable.

You guys think it might be worth it going from a BenQ XL2420T to a DELL U2312HM, image quality considered. I really won't be using 3D and the kinds of games I've been playing aren't really taking much advantaged from the 120hz. I'd like to improve on the viewing angles (it's been bothersome sometimes when playing with my girlfriend) and image quality for movies and good looking games really. I'm just wondering if the IQ difference would be noticeable.

If you have the money lying around and your reasons/needs are strong enough, then nothing's really stopping you from grabbing a U2312HM.
I don't know how noticeable the IQ will be since that varies from monitor to monitor and the persons' eyes. But we are talking TN vs IPS and there is a difference for sure. You'll need to do a bit of tweaking to get the most out of it...I'm sure there are tons of guides on tweaking UltraSharps :P

I'll personally be sticking with my 120hz till kingdom come, absolutely love what it has done for my gaming experience.