The Leopard is BACK! - OS2

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The Leopard is BACK!

The display glitch that was preventing Mac Pro users with high-end ATI
graphics cards (that would be me!) from running Leopard successfully
was resolved yesterday and I slipped the 10.5 upgrade DVD-DL into my
SuperDrive and let 'er rip this morning! Thirty minutes later the
Leopard was back on my system and running as it should. All 300 new
features are now mine to own and play with. It is so nice. I can
only wish OS/2 could be this nice.

Go ahead, read all about it on my blog, along with a high resolution
screen shot of my desktop, here: http://www.os2guy.com

I'm also offering two sets of "CoXtreme Wallpaper Packs" for
download. These packages include some of the most beautiful desktop
backgrounds you'll ever have the pleasure of viewing. Yes, they will
work on OS2 systems so feel free to download and enjoy!

Re: The Leopard is BACK!

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This has what to do with OS/2?

Shouldn't you be posting this to apple NGs instead of OS/2 or eCS
groups? Two years ago you were flaming pretty hard, and even threatened
legal action, when someone posted eCS info in an OS/2 group. Now you're
doing the same sort of thing. Why?

Re: The Leopard is BACK!

This has what to do with OS/2?

Shouldn't you be posting this to apple NGs instead of OS/2 or eCS
groups? Two years ago you were flaming pretty hard, and even threatened
legal action, when someone posted eCS info in an OS/2 group. Now you're
doing the same sort of thing. Why?

[FUD4] : The Leopard is BACK!

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 03:11:25 UTC, Jeff Estep wrote:

-> This has what to do with OS/2?
->
-> Shouldn't you be posting this to apple NGs instead of OS/2 or eCS
-> groups? Two years ago you were flaming pretty hard, and even threatened
-> legal action, when someone posted eCS info in an OS/2 group. Now you're
-> doing the same sort of thing. Why?

Its not the same thing. eComstation is based on OS/2. Mac OS X has
nothing to do with OS/2 other than being an alternative to the
predatory micro$oft monopoly.

Please stop feeding the psycho-troll. If you must respond to his
drivel, please put the tag [FUD4] in the subject. Thank you for not
quoting his latest lies and mis-information. Seehttp://www.mr2ice.com/TMFaq/ for more on the OS/2 groups resident
psycho-troll.

[FUD4] : The Leopard is BACK!

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 03:11:25 UTC, Jeff Estep wrote:

-> This has what to do with OS/2?
->
-> Shouldn't you be posting this to apple NGs instead of OS/2 or eCS
-> groups? Two years ago you were flaming pretty hard, and even threatened
-> legal action, when someone posted eCS info in an OS/2 group. Now you're
-> doing the same sort of thing. Why?

Its not the same thing. eComstation is based on OS/2. Mac OS X has
nothing to do with OS/2 other than being an alternative to the
predatory micro$oft monopoly.

Please stop feeding the psycho-troll. If you must respond to his
drivel, please put the tag [FUD4] in the subject. Thank you for not
quoting his latest lies and mis-information. Seehttp://www.mr2ice.com/TMFaq/ for more on the OS/2 groups resident
psycho-troll.

Re: The Leopard is BACK!

Dear Dr. Tim,
Do you have any hobbies that actually accomplish something worthwhile?

Re: The Leopard is BACK!

Dear Dr. Tim,
Do you have any hobbies that actually accomplish something worthwhile?

Re: The [FUD4]ster is BACK!

Jeff/Larry/Ron/Nick/Meng/Sally/Susan/whoever wrote:
> With the touch of a key the two displays move to a whole new
> clean desktop. Touch the key again and I go to another clean
> desktop. Hit the F6 key and I have all four screen displayed in a 4-
> way grid. Each space can be used for a specific project and I can
> move files, apps, photos, movies, etc., from one space to the other by
> dragging. It is totally amazing.
>
> You will NEVER see that in OS/2 or eComStation and it comes free with
> OS X (OS 10).

We've had that with some EWS since Warp 3, early 90's. Where have you been?

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Re: The [FUD4]ster is BACK!

Jeff/Larry/Ron/Nick/Meng/Sally/Susan/whoever wrote:
> With the touch of a key the two displays move to a whole new
> clean desktop. Touch the key again and I go to another clean
> desktop. Hit the F6 key and I have all four screen displayed in a 4-
> way grid. Each space can be used for a specific project and I can
> move files, apps, photos, movies, etc., from one space to the other by
> dragging. It is totally amazing.
>
> You will NEVER see that in OS/2 or eComStation and it comes free with
> OS X (OS 10).

We've had that with some EWS since Warp 3, early 90's. Where have you been?

--
[Reverse the parts of the e-mail address to reply.]

Re: The Leopard is BACK!

Thanks for asking, Dink. I do have hobbies that accomplish quite a
bit of worthiness. I also have a very busy professional life and a
healthy devotion to computing because it is such an ingrained part of
our lives now. You may not know that I live with four handsome and
beautiful Irish Setters. Two male, two female. Wonderful animals -
alive, spirited, intelligent, loving and very stunning to behold.
Each one with a distinct personality and each the love of my life.
Life without them would be cruel.

On another note and referring back to "Spaces" in OS X and responding
to one who claims that "We've had that with *some* EWS (not sure what
the reference is, perhaps English, Welsh and Scottish Railway Ltd or
Embedded Web Server perhaps?) since Warp 3..."

What OS/2 offered wasn't Spaces at all. OS/2 offered something called
"Work Areas" which in no way resembles OS X's Spaces today. Work
Areas were prone to crash and were really a concept and little more -
although they were offered in OS/2 - they were very limited in scope
and you could not drag one item from one work area into another -
although a third party vendor did try to implement the trick, it was
never successfully pulled off and resulted in a system hang. And if I
recall, Stardock came out with something called "Virtual Desktops" as
part of the Object Desk package but that too was prone to hang or
crash the system, just as limited in scope as described above and was
never a practical or usable feature.

Whereas OS X's Spaces is not only usable and practical, it is
downright amazing. It allows the creation a large number of "virtual
spaces" that can interchange with each other, can be seen as a grid
and that grid can allow the exchange or transfer of files, data,
programs you may be working on in one space. Spaces don't close when
you move to them, they jet-slide across the screen from whatever
direction you chose and they do it with grace, charm and stability.
The first time it happens you think to yourself how cool!""

A fine example of how Spaces work sofr me is what I often do on a day-
to-day basis. I will open one Space for general work day items (mail,
report writing, Net surfing, file downloading), another Space
specifically for the work being done for a client, another Space for
movie editing and rendering, another Space for music editing, ringtone
creations, CD or DVD burning and printing and another Space for blog
writing and website updating. If I want to use the CD or DVD burning
features being utilized in Space 3 I just grid the screen (by pressing
the designated F6 key) and drag the program from Space 3 (in this case
Toast) into Space 1. It is all done seamlessly and beautifully. And
I don't have to collapse the grid, I can work in each Space
independently or as a whole. On a 13" MacBook such a grid
configuration would be difficult and cumbersome. But it would be
quite practical on the MacBook to switch between each space. On a 60"
wide HD screen working with the full grid is awesome and when I want
the whole screen to work in just one Space I just click on the Space!
And you never have to close them up entirely, just move to a clean
Space when you need a clean work area.

OS/2, in all of its incarnations and glory, never had that ability.
Perhaps the concept but never the true ability. And neither will eCS.

Re: The Leopard is BACK!

Thanks for asking, Dink. I do have hobbies that accomplish quite a
bit of worthiness. I also have a very busy professional life and a
healthy devotion to computing because it is such an ingrained part of
our lives now. You may not know that I live with four handsome and
beautiful Irish Setters. Two male, two female. Wonderful animals -
alive, spirited, intelligent, loving and very stunning to behold.
Each one with a distinct personality and each the love of my life.
Life without them would be cruel.

On another note and referring back to "Spaces" in OS X and responding
to one who claims that "We've had that with *some* EWS (not sure what
the reference is, perhaps English, Welsh and Scottish Railway Ltd or
Embedded Web Server perhaps?) since Warp 3..."

What OS/2 offered wasn't Spaces at all. OS/2 offered something called
"Work Areas" which in no way resembles OS X's Spaces today. Work
Areas were prone to crash and were really a concept and little more -
although they were offered in OS/2 - they were very limited in scope
and you could not drag one item from one work area into another -
although a third party vendor did try to implement the trick, it was
never successfully pulled off and resulted in a system hang. And if I
recall, Stardock came out with something called "Virtual Desktops" as
part of the Object Desk package but that too was prone to hang or
crash the system, just as limited in scope as described above and was
never a practical or usable feature.

Whereas OS X's Spaces is not only usable and practical, it is
downright amazing. It allows the creation a large number of "virtual
spaces" that can interchange with each other, can be seen as a grid
and that grid can allow the exchange or transfer of files, data,
programs you may be working on in one space. Spaces don't close when
you move to them, they jet-slide across the screen from whatever
direction you chose and they do it with grace, charm and stability.
The first time it happens you think to yourself how cool!""

A fine example of how Spaces work sofr me is what I often do on a day-
to-day basis. I will open one Space for general work day items (mail,
report writing, Net surfing, file downloading), another Space
specifically for the work being done for a client, another Space for
movie editing and rendering, another Space for music editing, ringtone
creations, CD or DVD burning and printing and another Space for blog
writing and website updating. If I want to use the CD or DVD burning
features being utilized in Space 3 I just grid the screen (by pressing
the designated F6 key) and drag the program from Space 3 (in this case
Toast) into Space 1. It is all done seamlessly and beautifully. And
I don't have to collapse the grid, I can work in each Space
independently or as a whole. On a 13" MacBook such a grid
configuration would be difficult and cumbersome. But it would be
quite practical on the MacBook to switch between each space. On a 60"
wide HD screen working with the full grid is awesome and when I want
the whole screen to work in just one Space I just click on the Space!
And you never have to close them up entirely, just move to a clean
Space when you need a clean work area.

OS/2, in all of its incarnations and glory, never had that ability.
Perhaps the concept but never the true ability. And neither will eCS.

Re: The [FUD4]ster is BACK!

In article ,
Marty wrote:
>Jeff/Larry/Ron/Nick/Meng/Sally/Susan/whoever wrote:
>> You will NEVER see that in OS/2 or eComStation and it comes free with
>> OS X (OS 10).
>
>We've had that with some EWS since Warp 3, early 90's. Where have you been?

He's been out of touch... with reality, not just OS/2.

As for having something like "Space" bundled with the OS, ePager was bundled
with eCS 1.2 (probably other releases too). I use it a lot. It works
differently to "Space", but accomplishes the same tasks.

--
Don Hills (dmhills at attglobaldotnet) Wellington, New Zealand
"New interface closely resembles Presentation Manager,
preparing you for the wonders of OS/2!"
-- Advertisement on the box for Microsoft Windows 2.11 for 286

Re: The [FUD4] is BACK!

Tim/Nick/Ron/Jeff/Larry/Meng/Susan/whoever wrote:
> On another note and referring back to "Spaces" in OS X and responding
> to one who claims that "We've had that with *some* EWS (not sure what
> the reference is, perhaps English, Welsh and Scottish Railway Ltd or
> Embedded Web Server perhaps?) since Warp 3..."

Have you ever used OS/2? You don't know what Employee Written Software
is?? LOL
> What OS/2 offered wasn't Spaces at all. OS/2 offered something called
> "Work Areas" which in no way resembles OS X's Spaces today. Work
> Areas were prone to crash and were really a concept and little more -

"Prone to crash"? Either the application (9Lives is the one I liked)
worked or it didn't. You couldn't have one "crash" while the others
were still up because they were controlled by an application. So as
usual, your statement is unfounded and complete nonsense. Of course,
there were also other environments that allowed multiple logins too,
which were separate and independent of each other.
> although they were offered in OS/2 - they were very limited in scope
> and you could not drag one item from one work area into another -

Yes, you could. You could have sticky windows (appearing on some or all
desktops), and select which windows are "sticky" by either the
application name that owns them or the window title. You use the right
mouse button to drag them around and part of a window can exist across
multiple areas at the same time. You can switch desktops with a hot key
or by moving the mouse to a particular edge or corner of the screen.
Highly configurable, very stable, well implemented, and had it almost 2
decades ago. LOL

I feel like I'm trying to explain a light bulb to a prehistoric human
who just thawed from a glacier.

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[Reverse the parts of the e-mail address to reply.]

Re: The [FUD4] is BACK!

Tim/Nick/Ron/Jeff/Larry/Meng/Susan/whoever wrote:
> On another note and referring back to "Spaces" in OS X and responding
> to one who claims that "We've had that with *some* EWS (not sure what
> the reference is, perhaps English, Welsh and Scottish Railway Ltd or
> Embedded Web Server perhaps?) since Warp 3..."

Have you ever used OS/2? You don't know what Employee Written Software
is?? LOL
> What OS/2 offered wasn't Spaces at all. OS/2 offered something called
> "Work Areas" which in no way resembles OS X's Spaces today. Work
> Areas were prone to crash and were really a concept and little more -

"Prone to crash"? Either the application (9Lives is the one I liked)
worked or it didn't. You couldn't have one "crash" while the others
were still up because they were controlled by an application. So as
usual, your statement is unfounded and complete nonsense. Of course,
there were also other environments that allowed multiple logins too,
which were separate and independent of each other.
> although they were offered in OS/2 - they were very limited in scope
> and you could not drag one item from one work area into another -

Yes, you could. You could have sticky windows (appearing on some or all
desktops), and select which windows are "sticky" by either the
application name that owns them or the window title. You use the right
mouse button to drag them around and part of a window can exist across
multiple areas at the same time. You can switch desktops with a hot key
or by moving the mouse to a particular edge or corner of the screen.
Highly configurable, very stable, well implemented, and had it almost 2
decades ago. LOL

I feel like I'm trying to explain a light bulb to a prehistoric human
who just thawed from a glacier.

--
[Reverse the parts of the e-mail address to reply.]

Re: The [FUD4] is BACK!

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:41:52 UTC, Marty
wrote:

-> Tim/Nick/Ron/Jeff/Larry/Meng/Susan/whoever wrote:
-> > On another note and referring back to "Spaces" in OS X and responding
-> > to one who claims that "We've had that with *some* EWS (not sure what
-> > the reference is, perhaps English, Welsh and Scottish Railway Ltd or
-> > Embedded Web Server perhaps?) since Warp 3..."
->
-> Have you ever used OS/2? You don't know what Employee Written Software
-> is?? LOL

I added comp.sys.mac.system so the folks there can see what a clown
the self-proclaimed "OS/2guy" is. Also since the troll is hawking
Macs now, the thread really belongs in a Mac group, not an OS/2 one.
Hopefully he knows more about OS X then he pretends to know about
OS/2. And he has been trolling the comp.os2 groups for over a decade,
using many different identities (hense Marty's string of
Tim/Nick/etc). He attacks real OS/2 users and developers. BTW, Marty
is a well known OS/2 developer, while tim martin is just a well known
troll.

->
-> > What OS/2 offered wasn't Spaces at all. OS/2 offered something called
-> > "Work Areas" which in no way resembles OS X's Spaces today. Work
-> > Areas were prone to crash and were really a concept and little more -
->
-> "Prone to crash"? Either the application (9Lives is the one I liked)
-> worked or it didn't. You couldn't have one "crash" while the others
-> were still up because they were controlled by an application. So as
-> usual, your statement is unfounded and complete nonsense. Of course,
-> there were also other environments that allowed multiple logins too,
-> which were separate and independent of each other.
->
-> > although they were offered in OS/2 - they were very limited in scope
-> > and you could not drag one item from one work area into another -
->

What a moron. Work Areas under OS/2 are special folders that will
automatically open contained objects and close them when you close the
folder. Saves time if you routinely open the same programs or
documents for a regular task. I used them for years and it has never
had problems with crashing. The psycho-troll is just being his usual
nitwit, lying self. It has nothing to do with virtual desktops, which
is what Spaces is. OS/2 has had virtual desktops for over a decade
from several free and commercial third party utilities as Marty has
pointed out. And the latest version of OS/2, eComStation has virtual
desktops builtin with ePager. Not quite as sophisticated as Spaces,
but it works well. And like Marty points out, it has stickey windows
and the ability to move a window from one desktop to another and other
features.

-> Yes, you could. You could have sticky windows (appearing on some or all
-> desktops), and select which windows are "sticky" by either the
-> application name that owns them or the window title. You use the right
-> mouse button to drag them around and part of a window can exist across
-> multiple areas at the same time. You can switch desktops with a hot key
-> or by moving the mouse to a particular edge or corner of the screen.
-> Highly configurable, very stable, well implemented, and had it almost 2
-> decades ago. LOL
->
-> I feel like I'm trying to explain a light bulb to a prehistoric human
-> who just thawed from a glacier.
->

He's a complete idiot and pathological liar. Anyone that takes advise
from this schmuck should be aware that he will lie about everything,
though he knows enough to sometimes sound convincing. He also likes to
post with sock-puppet IDs and have fake conversations with himself to
make himself look like a big shot, when in fact he's a pathetic little
scumbag. The OS/2 community actually made up a system to deal with
him, thatis how bad it was. He disappeared for a year while he
embraced Mac OS X but has come back to harass the comp.os2 groups
again. Best to ignore him. For more on this freak seehttp://www.mr2ice.com/TMFaq/

Re: The [FUD4] is BACK!

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:41:52 UTC, Marty
wrote:

-> Tim/Nick/Ron/Jeff/Larry/Meng/Susan/whoever wrote:
-> > On another note and referring back to "Spaces" in OS X and responding
-> > to one who claims that "We've had that with *some* EWS (not sure what
-> > the reference is, perhaps English, Welsh and Scottish Railway Ltd or
-> > Embedded Web Server perhaps?) since Warp 3..."
->
-> Have you ever used OS/2? You don't know what Employee Written Software
-> is?? LOL

I added comp.sys.mac.system so the folks there can see what a clown
the self-proclaimed "OS/2guy" is. Also since the troll is hawking
Macs now, the thread really belongs in a Mac group, not an OS/2 one.
Hopefully he knows more about OS X then he pretends to know about
OS/2. And he has been trolling the comp.os2 groups for over a decade,
using many different identities (hense Marty's string of
Tim/Nick/etc). He attacks real OS/2 users and developers. BTW, Marty
is a well known OS/2 developer, while tim martin is just a well known
troll.

->
-> > What OS/2 offered wasn't Spaces at all. OS/2 offered something called
-> > "Work Areas" which in no way resembles OS X's Spaces today. Work
-> > Areas were prone to crash and were really a concept and little more -
->
-> "Prone to crash"? Either the application (9Lives is the one I liked)
-> worked or it didn't. You couldn't have one "crash" while the others
-> were still up because they were controlled by an application. So as
-> usual, your statement is unfounded and complete nonsense. Of course,
-> there were also other environments that allowed multiple logins too,
-> which were separate and independent of each other.
->
-> > although they were offered in OS/2 - they were very limited in scope
-> > and you could not drag one item from one work area into another -
->

What a moron. Work Areas under OS/2 are special folders that will
automatically open contained objects and close them when you close the
folder. Saves time if you routinely open the same programs or
documents for a regular task. I used them for years and it has never
had problems with crashing. The psycho-troll is just being his usual
nitwit, lying self. It has nothing to do with virtual desktops, which
is what Spaces is. OS/2 has had virtual desktops for over a decade
from several free and commercial third party utilities as Marty has
pointed out. And the latest version of OS/2, eComStation has virtual
desktops builtin with ePager. Not quite as sophisticated as Spaces,
but it works well. And like Marty points out, it has stickey windows
and the ability to move a window from one desktop to another and other
features.

-> Yes, you could. You could have sticky windows (appearing on some or all
-> desktops), and select which windows are "sticky" by either the
-> application name that owns them or the window title. You use the right
-> mouse button to drag them around and part of a window can exist across
-> multiple areas at the same time. You can switch desktops with a hot key
-> or by moving the mouse to a particular edge or corner of the screen.
-> Highly configurable, very stable, well implemented, and had it almost 2
-> decades ago. LOL
->
-> I feel like I'm trying to explain a light bulb to a prehistoric human
-> who just thawed from a glacier.
->

He's a complete idiot and pathological liar. Anyone that takes advise
from this schmuck should be aware that he will lie about everything,
though he knows enough to sometimes sound convincing. He also likes to
post with sock-puppet IDs and have fake conversations with himself to
make himself look like a big shot, when in fact he's a pathetic little
scumbag. The OS/2 community actually made up a system to deal with
him, thatis how bad it was. He disappeared for a year while he
embraced Mac OS X but has come back to harass the comp.os2 groups
again. Best to ignore him. For more on this freak seehttp://www.mr2ice.com/TMFaq/

Re: The [FUD4] is BACK!

Mark Dodel wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:41:52 UTC, Marty
> wrote:
>
> -> Tim/Nick/Ron/Jeff/Larry/Meng/Susan/whoever wrote:
> -> > On another note and referring back to "Spaces" in OS X and responding
> -> > to one who claims that "We've had that with *some* EWS (not sure what
> -> > the reference is, perhaps English, Welsh and Scottish Railway Ltd or
> -> > Embedded Web Server perhaps?) since Warp 3..."
> ->
> -> Have you ever used OS/2? You don't know what Employee Written Software
> -> is?? LOL
>
As if there were any doubt, os2guy is a totally bogus moniker for
Timmy. Anyone that knows OS/2 knows what EWS references even if they
don't know all of the applications that are available.

Re: The [FUD4] is BACK!

Mark Dodel wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:41:52 UTC, Marty
> wrote:
>
> -> Tim/Nick/Ron/Jeff/Larry/Meng/Susan/whoever wrote:
> -> > On another note and referring back to "Spaces" in OS X and responding
> -> > to one who claims that "We've had that with *some* EWS (not sure what
> -> > the reference is, perhaps English, Welsh and Scottish Railway Ltd or
> -> > Embedded Web Server perhaps?) since Warp 3..."
> ->
> -> Have you ever used OS/2? You don't know what Employee Written Software
> -> is?? LOL
>
As if there were any doubt, os2guy is a totally bogus moniker for
Timmy. Anyone that knows OS/2 knows what EWS references even if they
don't know all of the applications that are available.