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When you find more disclosure articles...please post! How scientists spotted 'mysterious pulse of light' from direction of newly-discovered '2nd Earth' two years ago An astronomer picked up a mysterious pulse of light coming from the direction of the newly discovered Earth-like planet almost two years ago, it has emerged.Dr Ragbir Bhathal, a scientist at the University of Western Sydney, picked up the odd signal in December 2008, long before it was announced that the star Gliese 581 has habitable planets in orbit around it...www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1316538/Gliese-581g-mystery-Scientist-spotted-mysterious-pulse-light-direction-newEarth-planet-year.html#ixzz11So9Eexf

Could ET Spot Our Solar System?Would an extraterrestrial with a planet-hunting telescope know our star has planets? Yes, conclude astronomers.If ET had telescopes no more advanced than ours, would he know our star has planets?Apparently so, conclude researchers at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland, who built a computer simulation of what our solar system's dust ring looks like from an outsider's perspective.We have Neptune to thank for our cosmic bootprint. As the planet orbits through the dusty Kuiper Belt region, its gravity perturbs the icy grains, leaving a small, telltale gap, computer simulations show....news.discovery.com/space/solar-system-alien-view.html

When you find more disclosure articles...please post! How scientists spotted 'mysterious pulse of light' from direction of newly-discovered '2nd Earth' two years ago An astronomer picked up a mysterious pulse of light coming from the direction of the newly discovered Earth-like planet almost two years ago, it has emerged.Dr Ragbir Bhathal, a scientist at the University of Western Sydney, picked up the odd signal in December 2008, long before it was announced that the star Gliese 581 has habitable planets in orbit around it...www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1316538/Gliese-581g-mystery-Scientist-spotted-mysterious-pulse-light-direction-newEarth-planet-year.html#ixzz11So9Eexf

Today:UFOs to Bring 'Great Events,' Chinese Scientist Predictswww.aolnews.com/weird-news/article/ufos-to-bring-great-events-chinese-scientist-predicts/19661107"The reason is that a UFO only appears randomly and often disappears rapidly in a few minutes. By the time large professional telescopes are started up, it has already disappeared. So, we can only rely on information from occasional sightings or encounters by observers," he said."Astronomers all over the world are now intensifying their efforts to explore extraterrestrial life. As long as we have open minds about scientific exploration of the unknown and employ multiple methods, the contact between humans and extraterrestrial life will, hopefully, come this century."

Hmm...wonder what they talked about here....Towards a scientific and societal agenda on extra-terrestrial life (Oct 4th -5th)The Royal SocietyShould extra-terrestrial life exist, upcoming efforts will provide living generations with a realistic chance of its detection. Even more than the scientific agenda, a corresponding complementary societal agenda needs to be debated. With a mix of invited talks and panel debates, we particularly look into the detection of life, the communication with potential extra-terrestrial civilizations, the implications for the future of humanity, and the political processes that are required.Four panel debates includeCalling ET, or not even answering the phone?Societal questions raised by the detection of extra-terrestrial lifeWhat could studies of extra-terrestrial life tell us about the future of humanity?Extra-terrestrial life and arising political issues for the UN agendaroyalsociety.org/extra-terrestrial-life/

I think mass awareness is right around the corner. The big question I have is: 'Are they going to come out about it BEFORE they show up in droves in the sky or wait till after?' If they wait till after, you're looking at one pissed off public. If they come out before, they may be able to salvage some 'respect'. That is if they even care what the public thinks. Considering the current damage being done to our political process right now with the Tea Party and foreign money being used for add campaigns, we may be in a state of martial law by the time the public does become aware of ET life. At that point, it wouldn't matter much what we (the public) think.

I find all this very interesting. Ufos,aliens,new planests and solar systems. It makes you wounder what will come out of the sky next or even in space. Or even the next life form we will find, even here on earth.

I think mass awareness is right around the corner. The big question I have is: 'Are they going to come out about it BEFORE they show up in droves in the sky or wait till after?' If they wait till after, you're looking at one pissed off public. If they come out before, they may be able to salvage some 'respect'. That is if they even care what the public thinks. Considering the current damage being done to our political process right now with the Tea Party and foreign money being used for add campaigns, we may be in a state of martial law by the time the public does become aware of ET life. At that point, it wouldn't matter much what we (the public) think.

It's hard to say. I've always taken to heart a line Tommy Lee Jones has in the movie Men In Black where he says, "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." The truth to that statement almost causes physical pain it hurts so much. In any situation that causes an emotional response in a person and there are other people there to experience the same thing and support the feelings of each other, bad things are going to happen. People are very quick to abandon their morale beliefs and good judgement when the shit hits the fan. It is for that very reason that the American government (and all world governments for that matter) have kept the people in the dark about so much. It's a big nasty spiraling pit into oblivion from which it is hard to escape after that. Imagine what would have happened if the government had announced after Roswell that they had recovered an alien craft and there were survivors of that crash in govermet custody. It would have made the panic experienced during Orson Welles' narration of The War of the Worlds look like a picnic. I think it is going to take a well organized and public display of good and peaceful intention by any extraterrestrial race on a global scale to stop most of the panic. I actually think having the beings show themselves to individuals (meaning everyone) in person instead of broadcast via TV and radio would be necessary. People would have to see the beings for themselves and come to a conclusion on them without outside influence, but no matter what happens there will always be an angry torch wielding mob. It is an unfortunate but undeniable part of human existence that we see everything that isn't apart of our normal daily life as evil and dangerous and therefore requiring destruction.

It's hard to say. I've always taken to heart a line Tommy Lee Jones has in the movie Men In Black where he says, "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." The truth to that statement almost causes physical pain it hurts so much. In any situation that causes an emotional response in a person and there are other people there to experience the same thing and support the feelings of each other, bad things are going to happen. People are very quick to abandon their morale beliefs and good judgement when the shit hits the fan. It is for that very reason that the American government (and all world governments for that matter) have kept the people in the dark about so much. It's a big nasty spiraling pit into oblivion from which it is hard to escape after that. Imagine what would have happened if the government had announced after Roswell that they had recovered an alien craft and there were survivors of that crash in govermet custody. It would have made the panic experienced during Orson Welles' narration of The War of the Worlds look like a picnic. I think it is going to take a well organized and public display of good and peaceful intention by any extraterrestrial race on a global scale to stop most of the panic. I actually think having the beings show themselves to individuals (meaning everyone) in person instead of broadcast via TV and radio would be necessary. People would have to see the beings for themselves and come to a conclusion on them without outside influence, but no matter what happens there will always be an angry torch wielding mob. It is an unfortunate but undeniable part of human existence that we see everything that isn't apart of our normal daily life as evil and dangerous and therefore requiring destruction.

I have to say though that I highly doubt 'panic' is the reason for why the government(s) are keeping quiet about this. Panic would be short lived had the government come forward in 1947, or 1965, or any other time they got hold of alien technology and or biology. I agree with the MIB statement as well....however.The inner or secret gov, has not shown that they care in SLIGHTEST or in any fashion whatsoever to anyone but themselves. Every time a person sees one of these operatives there is a menacing (almost evil) regard for the average person. Wether it's the man driving the truck with the craft on the back, or the helicopter pilot flying over the house after a cattle mutilation. etc. etc.I find it nearly impossible to believe that the reason is panic. More than likely it is POWER. "We have it, you don't know about it and you never will. Here's a token, keep buying your plastic and leave us to figure this out. After all, the planet wont last forever and some of US need to be able to get off this rock or at least dominate what's here."

I have to say though that I highly doubt 'panic' is the reason for why the government(s) are keeping quiet about this. Panic would be short lived had the government come forward in 1947, or 1965, or any other time they got hold of alien technology and or biology. I agree with the MIB statement as well....however.The inner or secret gov, has not shown that they care in SLIGHTEST or in any fashion whatsoever to anyone but themselves. Every time a person sees one of these operatives there is a menacing (almost evil) regard for the average person. Wether it's the man driving the truck with the craft on the back, or the helicopter pilot flying over the house after a cattle mutilation. etc. etc.I find it nearly impossible to believe that the reason is panic. More than likely it is POWER. "We have it, you don't know about it and you never will. Here's a token, keep buying your plastic and leave us to figure this out. After all, the planet wont last forever and some of US need to be able to get off this rock or at least dominate what's here."

I do believe that people with power only care about two things: 1) keeping the power they have, and 2) getting more power. It is my belief that everyday brings us closer to the time when mankind as a race will be mature enough to handle open extraterrestrial contact and interaction. I think another big reason (but certainly not the only one) the government keeps it secret now is fear. They've kept the secret for so long I believe they fear the public's reaction if the expose themselves. Sure when they say, "alien life exists and we've been in contact with it," there will be panic, but there will also be a tremendous amount of anger when they quickly add on, "oh, and we have been for the last 63 years." It might be enough to cause the government to collapse, and in this case that would definitely not be for the better because there would be no new government waiting to take its place. I think a lot of people in power are beginning to fear the wrath of the people due to the ever increasing loss of faith in it, and they are ever watchful for the metaphorical straw that will break the camel's back; in this sense the admittance of extraterrestrial contact is a brick.So I agree that the only reason they keep their secrets isn't panic, but I do believe that to be their original reason for doing so. One day I think the world will be ready; the powers-that-be won't have to make the decision, and the people won't have to demand answers. Eventually our species will have gained the wisdom necessary for everyone to realize that secrets help no one. It may be a long time coming, but I am patient.

There's a really funny joke about the cat/grandma on the roof which deals with how to break difficult news. So either this is a grandma on the roof sort of situation or its just another cyclic turn of astronomy breakthroughs that leave all of us believers hoping. I have been hearing this same "disclosure" discourse for forty years now, every time there is new technology or a rash of balloon sightings.

This post is actually an opener to a "thread" (with no replies, at least as yet) of its own on a couple other sites, so I apologize, if necessary, for its length. Am hoping it's appropriate enough for this thread. Its title is, or would be (on this site), WHY I DOUBT THE GRADUAL PREPARATION THEORY.I want Disclosure - which is only the precursor to the much bigger and more important Contact - as much as anyone who most desires it, but am unable to outright believe the fairly widely-held notion that there has been, for the past, say, 50 to 60 years (or however long), a secret program or policy among the PTB to gradually prepare the public for the eventual Disclosure of and (presumably) Contact with an advanced, presumably extraterrestrial civilization. (Advanced means morally-ethically and spiritually, obviously not just technologically). This is basically because there is a simply TOO inexpressably powerful base, or prevailing mentality, of ignorance, arrogance and apathy. The dominant culture of Earth humans is interested only in maintaining BELIEFS - blind faith, be it religious and/or political - with no DESIRE for greater knowledge and abilities. Religion, not to be confused with spirituality, worldwide is clearly GROWING, not diminishing. It can be argued, and quite correctly, as I see it, that this "civilization" is even MORE strongly entrenched in the anthropocentric universe model today than in Galileo's time (roughly 400 years ago). Back then it was only religion that kept them backward, isolated, in the dark, but TODAY we have the double whammy of religion AND the monolithic de facto religion of secrecy-BASED government(s), the latter of which virtually NO ONE is able to properly criticize and undermine. Oh sure, there are plenty of ranters who go on and on about such ill-defined, unclear entities as the Illuminati, Bilderbergers, CFR, other secrect societies and groups, and of course that ever-specific (*sarcasm*) force referred to as the NWO, but effectively NO ONE can attack the most tangible, concrete, REAL stuff of which the SYSTEM of government is made. In the US, which is currently the world's only "superpower" (de facto empire), that's the National "Security" STATE, with all its alphabet soup agencies, and Black Budget - the entire SYSTEM that is the military-secrecy complex (not JUST military-industrial complex). To move on to the next level of knowledge-consciousness primarily requires enough of a very clear and unequivocal rejection of government as we know it PERIOD, and that's very far from anywhere to be found. OR, if there really HAS been a clandestine acclimation-to-ET program, it would seemingly HAVE to be something intended simply to absorb the shock as much as POSSIBLE. Certainly anyone with enough common sense who's (by definition) sufficiently in touch with reality can see that. Such an acclimation is or would be the equivalent of sandbagging around one's house before the flood hits, but the house gets heavily damaged anyway... And PERHAPS they're only preparing us for an invasion of plainly, or at least primarily, malevolent beings in the first place. It seems pretty clear that most people don't have a problem knowing they're not ALONE in the universe; it's the confirmation of not being the CENTER of the universe that's the real cause of the fear/anxiety. That goes for not only the more obvious religious - particularly Abrahamic - nuts, but for a HUGE population of those who would stomp and scream and "stab and shoot and spit" their mere meaningless words to the contrary. "Actions speak louder than words" is the biggest understatement of all time. Actions, including inactions, are effectively ALL that speak PERIOD. One's willing enough (by definition) support of secrecy-BASED government shows a (plainly irrational) need to believe one's "civilization" is at least effectively the center of the universe. It's nothing more than a primitive, pathetic ego trip. The overall or global macro-conspiracy is, primarily, however unconsciously or unintentionally (or not), WITHIN most of the common people, and NOT hapless victimization by the PTB or whatever outside force. Wake up and FOCUS on the heart of the matter: the need for SYSTEMIC change! Too many are too addicted to all talk and no action, and I see nothing that will ever impede that, therefore, apparently, no real progress like Disclosure-Contact will ever happen. I hope I'm wrong. Remember the "Prime Directive," or whatever the real deal is actually called. No silver platters will be handed to ANYONE. No magical Superman will ever come a-soaring down to Earth, cape a-flappin', to save the day. There's no evidence, nothing vaguely resembling evidence, that any real breakthrough, real change, real progress will happen through any governmental or other outside action, so that leaves only popular action. Forgive me if this issue somehow turns out to be a case of accomplishment through passivity and ignorance (???), and I'm just unable to recognize it. Happy Hollow-weiner! :o)

This post is actually an opener to a "thread" (with no replies, at least as yet) of its own on a couple other sites, so I apologize, if necessary, for its length. Am hoping it's appropriate enough for this thread. Its title is, or would be (on this site), WHY I DOUBT THE GRADUAL PREPARATION THEORY.I want Disclosure - which is only the precursor to the much bigger and more important Contact - as much as anyone who most desires it, but am unable to outright believe the fairly widely-held notion that there has been, for the past, say, 50 to 60 years (or however long), a secret program or policy among the PTB to gradually prepare the public for the eventual Disclosure of and (presumably) Contact with an advanced, presumably extraterrestrial civilization. (Advanced means morally-ethically and spiritually, obviously not just technologically). This is basically because there is a simply TOO inexpressably powerful base, or prevailing mentality, of ignorance, arrogance and apathy. The dominant culture of Earth humans is interested only in maintaining BELIEFS - blind faith, be it religious and/or political - with no DESIRE for greater knowledge and abilities. Religion, not to be confused with spirituality, worldwide is clearly GROWING, not diminishing. It can be argued, and quite correctly, as I see it, that this "civilization" is even MORE strongly entrenched in the anthropocentric universe model today than in Galileo's time (roughly 400 years ago). Back then it was only religion that kept them backward, isolated, in the dark, but TODAY we have the double whammy of religion AND the monolithic de facto religion of secrecy-BASED government(s), the latter of which virtually NO ONE is able to properly criticize and undermine. Oh sure, there are plenty of ranters who go on and on about such ill-defined, unclear entities as the Illuminati, Bilderbergers, CFR, other secrect societies and groups, and of course that ever-specific (*sarcasm*) force referred to as the NWO, but effectively NO ONE can attack the most tangible, concrete, REAL stuff of which the SYSTEM of government is made. In the US, which is currently the world's only "superpower" (de facto empire), that's the National "Security" STATE, with all its alphabet soup agencies, and Black Budget - the entire SYSTEM that is the military-secrecy complex (not JUST military-industrial complex). To move on to the next level of knowledge-consciousness primarily requires enough of a very clear and unequivocal rejection of government as we know it PERIOD, and that's very far from anywhere to be found. OR, if there really HAS been a clandestine acclimation-to-ET program, it would seemingly HAVE to be something intended simply to absorb the shock as much as POSSIBLE. Certainly anyone with enough common sense who's (by definition) sufficiently in touch with reality can see that. Such an acclimation is or would be the equivalent of sandbagging around one's house before the flood hits, but the house gets heavily damaged anyway... And PERHAPS they're only preparing us for an invasion of plainly, or at least primarily, malevolent beings in the first place. It seems pretty clear that most people don't have a problem knowing they're not ALONE in the universe; it's the confirmation of not being the CENTER of the universe that's the real cause of the fear/anxiety. That goes for not only the more obvious religious - particularly Abrahamic - nuts, but for a HUGE population of those who would stomp and scream and "stab and shoot and spit" their mere meaningless words to the contrary. "Actions speak louder than words" is the biggest understatement of all time. Actions, including inactions, are effectively ALL that speak PERIOD. One's willing enough (by definition) support of secrecy-BASED government shows a (plainly irrational) need to believe one's "civilization" is at least effectively the center of the universe. It's nothing more than a primitive, pathetic ego trip. The overall or global macro-conspiracy is, primarily, however unconsciously or unintentionally (or not), WITHIN most of the common people, and NOT hapless victimization by the PTB or whatever outside force. Wake up and FOCUS on the heart of the matter: the need for SYSTEMIC change! Too many are too addicted to all talk and no action, and I see nothing that will ever impede that, therefore, apparently, no real progress like Disclosure-Contact will ever happen. I hope I'm wrong. Remember the "Prime Directive," or whatever the real deal is actually called. No silver platters will be handed to ANYONE. No magical Superman will ever come a-soaring down to Earth, cape a-flappin', to save the day. There's no evidence, nothing vaguely resembling evidence, that any real breakthrough, real change, real progress will happen through any governmental or other outside action, so that leaves only popular action. Forgive me if this issue somehow turns out to be a case of accomplishment through passivity and ignorance (???), and I'm just unable to recognize it. Happy Hollow-weiner! :o)

Nicely said, talk is the cheapest thing on the planet....necessary, but still cheap. Action is in VERY short supply. We've been conditioned to expect things without taking action to get it.The government, IMO will not "save" us and if I were an alien race looking down, I'd be hard pressed to want to save us either. We can't even do the simplest of things, which is keeping our 'room' clean. Funny, we get so far up the ladder and religion still creeps up and yanks us back down again. It's beyond sad.

This post is actually an opener to a "thread" (with no replies, at least as yet) of its own on a couple other sites, so I apologize, if necessary, for its length. Am hoping it's appropriate enough for this thread. Its title is, or would be (on this site), WHY I DOUBT THE GRADUAL PREPARATION THEORY.I want Disclosure - which is only the precursor to the much bigger and more important Contact - as much as anyone who most desires it, but am unable to outright believe the fairly widely-held notion that there has been, for the past, say, 50 to 60 years (or however long), a secret program or policy among the PTB to gradually prepare the public for the eventual Disclosure of and (presumably) Contact with an advanced, presumably extraterrestrial civilization. (Advanced means morally-ethically and spiritually, obviously not just technologically). This is basically because there is a simply TOO inexpressably powerful base, or prevailing mentality, of ignorance, arrogance and apathy. The dominant culture of Earth humans is interested only in maintaining BELIEFS - blind faith, be it religious and/or political - with no DESIRE for greater knowledge and abilities. Religion, not to be confused with spirituality, worldwide is clearly GROWING, not diminishing. It can be argued, and quite correctly, as I see it, that this "civilization" is even MORE strongly entrenched in the anthropocentric universe model today than in Galileo's time (roughly 400 years ago). Back then it was only religion that kept them backward, isolated, in the dark, but TODAY we have the double whammy of religion AND the monolithic de facto religion of secrecy-BASED government(s), the latter of which virtually NO ONE is able to properly criticize and undermine. Oh sure, there are plenty of ranters who go on and on about such ill-defined, unclear entities as the Illuminati, Bilderbergers, CFR, other secrect societies and groups, and of course that ever-specific (*sarcasm*) force referred to as the NWO, but effectively NO ONE can attack the most tangible, concrete, REAL stuff of which the SYSTEM of government is made. In the US, which is currently the world's only "superpower" (de facto empire), that's the National "Security" STATE, with all its alphabet soup agencies, and Black Budget - the entire SYSTEM that is the military-secrecy complex (not JUST military-industrial complex). To move on to the next level of knowledge-consciousness primarily requires enough of a very clear and unequivocal rejection of government as we know it PERIOD, and that's very far from anywhere to be found. OR, if there really HAS been a clandestine acclimation-to-ET program, it would seemingly HAVE to be something intended simply to absorb the shock as much as POSSIBLE. Certainly anyone with enough common sense who's (by definition) sufficiently in touch with reality can see that. Such an acclimation is or would be the equivalent of sandbagging around one's house before the flood hits, but the house gets heavily damaged anyway... And PERHAPS they're only preparing us for an invasion of plainly, or at least primarily, malevolent beings in the first place. It seems pretty clear that most people don't have a problem knowing they're not ALONE in the universe; it's the confirmation of not being the CENTER of the universe that's the real cause of the fear/anxiety. That goes for not only the more obvious religious - particularly Abrahamic - nuts, but for a HUGE population of those who would stomp and scream and "stab and shoot and spit" their mere meaningless words to the contrary. "Actions speak louder than words" is the biggest understatement of all time. Actions, including inactions, are effectively ALL that speak PERIOD. One's willing enough (by definition) support of secrecy-BASED government shows a (plainly irrational) need to believe one's "civilization" is at least effectively the center of the universe. It's nothing more than a primitive, pathetic ego trip. The overall or global macro-conspiracy is, primarily, however unconsciously or unintentionally (or not), WITHIN most of the common people, and NOT hapless victimization by the PTB or whatever outside force. Wake up and FOCUS on the heart of the matter: the need for SYSTEMIC change! Too many are too addicted to all talk and no action, and I see nothing that will ever impede that, therefore, apparently, no real progress like Disclosure-Contact will ever happen. I hope I'm wrong. Remember the "Prime Directive," or whatever the real deal is actually called. No silver platters will be handed to ANYONE. No magical Superman will ever come a-soaring down to Earth, cape a-flappin', to save the day. There's no evidence, nothing vaguely resembling evidence, that any real breakthrough, real change, real progress will happen through any governmental or other outside action, so that leaves only popular action. Forgive me if this issue somehow turns out to be a case of accomplishment through passivity and ignorance (???), and I'm just unable to recognize it. Happy Hollow-weiner! :o)

I like what you're saying and what godlypunk says in reply. Even in local politics (yack) people are all about going to the bar and bitching about what is going "wrong" but won't lift a finger to change anything. Even now science is doing the same thing religion has been doing for thousands of years. Scientists just a few years ago would say there was no evidence of life on other planets. People couldn't swallow that anymore so they revised it too there probably is life out there, but it's only bacteria or they're too far away. I swear people could watch the President get beat to death by a giant hairy troll on TV while alien spaceships bombed their home town and they would just laugh and say it's all good CGI or probably just some drunk kids playing a prank.