Already severely outgunned? Car Magazine claims the new F80 M3 will have 444 horsepower from its turbo inline-6

Already severely outgunned? Car Magazine claims the new F80 M3 will have 444 horsepower from its turbo inline-6

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Already severely outgunned? Car Magazine claims the new F80 M3 will have 444 horsepower from its turbo inline-6

The only bright side BimmerBoost can see is that the new M3 may be severely underrated just like the F10 M5. Let's assume this is the case and apply what we have all seen with the F10 M5 to the new M3. That would mean 417 wheel horsepower for the new M3 despite its appallingly low crank rating. That would also mean an increase of 67 wheel horsepower over the E92 M3 which is a hell of a lot better than 30 horsepower at the crank.

With the new turbo motors BMW is making a habit of underrating them especially in M trim. The low crank rating likely designed not to insight a horsepower war with Mercedes and Audi which is already going on anyway with Mercedes already raising the stakes in the V8 arena. Regardless, assuming about 420 wheel horsepower (which is a best case scenario with a 444 hp crank rating) BMW is not going to win the raw power battle as they did with the F10 M5 temporarily until Mercedes regains the crown.

Going by what info on their respective websites. Curb weight of C63 is listed at 3,649 lbs. M3 at 3704 lbs.

Where do you arrive at your theory that the C63 will be over 4,000 lbs? When Benz themselves said weight reduction is on their priority list as well.

Weird, I just checked MBUSA's website and it does say the car is 3,649 but I swear is used to be listed at 3,900. All of the magazine articles I can dig up also say 3,900 and I distinctly remember seing 3,900+ on their website.

E36 M3, no real competition from Mercedes. Absurdly powerful in Euro trim with the S50. Still somewhat hard to believe it was that ahead of its time. BMW got away with giving the USA almost 100 less horsepower and the car was STILL better than everything.

E46 M3 comes out, makes everyone wet. I camp out at the dealership until I get one basically. Mercedes only had AMG models to rival after they had a controlling interest in AMG acquiring 51% officially in 1999. This led to the supercharged W203 C32 AMG. Benz douchebags proclaim superiority. I take my stock E46 M3 and race a stock C32 AMG. I win, race after race, and post video on bimmerforums and mbworld. Much cheering ensues, parade thrown, banned from MBworld and Bimmerforums for a while due to rubbing it in the doubters faces.

E39 M5 is still king at this time. W210 E55 has only 350 horsepower and the E39 M5 spits in its face and laughs. Not only does it have more power but a better chassis along with a real manual transmission.

AMG gets pissed off from BMW M peeing on them and stealing their lunch money circa 2003. They deliver a supercharged W211 E55. The 600 model V12's get turbos. They raise the stakes with the 65 AMG to a level nobody thought they would which BMW has no answer for and still doesn't. BMW pretty much pretends the Benz twin turbo V12's with over 600 horsepower don't exist.

Regardless, BMW's remain the better drivers cars. BMW makes a mistake with the E60 M5 by not delivering more displacement than the E39 M5 but the motor has 100 horses on it and up top its faster than the E55. But, Mercedes-AMG closed the gap strictly power wise.

That brings us to today where people act like AMG's have always been more powerful yet the new M5/M6 is more powerful than the E63 even with the performance package. It was BMW's that were always more powerful for the longer period of history. The competition just caught up and BMW focused more on delivering the entire package. Well, now Mercedes has Black Series. And BMW has "i". And "i" think that's bull $#@!.

not to mention everything is going to be a ///M these days...lol

Originally Posted by Sticky

I always make sure to provide links in articles to all the other relevant information. I think I do it well to keep people apprised of what is going on.

It is mandatory on the S but you can just up the boost anyway. It's just software, no big deal.

Love the damn all wheel drive though now. Tempting.

ya just a bit....gonna be unreal

Originally Posted by M3_WC

Autocar had that article recently about the next W205 chassis. New weight savings techniques involved in chassis design. It will their first car to use it.

They quoted the entry level C160 will weigh 1380kg (or about 3040 lbs.)

now that is going to be interesting....our AMG guys (actual workers from AMG can't say enough about that)

Originally Posted by Remonster

Weird, I just checked MBUSA's website and it does say the car is 3,649 but I swear is used to be listed at 3,900. All of the magazine articles I can dig up also say 3,900 and I distinctly remember seing 3,900+ on their website.

Who gives a $#@! about the weight....it's gonna be an inline 6 and sound like a little fart can. I'm sure they will pump some nice throaty V8 rumble through the stereo tho to keep all the Bimmer fanboys happy LOL.