The term assault weapons is really just a buzzword now, just used for political gain, because dumbasses don't even know what one is. They think assault=automatic.

I have a friend with a shotgun that has a pistol grip, that can carry more than 5 rounds, that's an assault weapon under current definitions.

i never said assault weapon = automatic weapon.

Actually, assault weapons to me, are anything past your standard pistol, shotgun, bolt-action rifle--so basically anything semi-auto and above. If you think you have a legitimate need to carry a fucking semi-automatic weapon, or anything more powerful than anything used for hunting, then there's a problem.

Is there a reason for a civilian to carry military/law-enforcement-grade weapons? If you want to fire one of those off, sign up for the military.

If you think you have a legitimate need to carry a fucking semi-automatic weapon, or anything more powerful than anything used for hunting, then there's a problem.

Do you really think that an AR15 or an AK47 is more powerful round for round than a bolt action hunting rifle? Who told you this? That couldn't be further from the truth. The only advantage to them is they hold more ammo. There is nothing about them that is "more powerful" than anything used for hunting.

Do you really think that an AR15 or an AK47 is more powerful round for round than a bolt action hunting rifle? Who told you this? That couldn't be further from the truth. The only advantage to them is they hold more ammo. There is nothing about them that is "more powerful" than anything used for hunting.

i said nothing about the power of the round. The fact that you are breaking the argument down to find a strawman in there somewhere is pathetic.

You, nor anyone else here in the FOR assault weapons crowd, have provided an answer why assault weapons are something that belong in the hands of civilians.

i said nothing about the power of the round. The fact that you are breaking the argument down to find a strawman in there somewhere is pathetic.

You, nor anyone else here in the FOR assault weapons crowd, have provided an answer why assault weapons are something that belong in the hands of civilians.

Your ignorance shines through once more. Do yourself a favor and stick to posting shit in Rants and kissing Catalanotto's ass and stay out of firearm debates because you have no logical place in them. A firearm's power is determined by its ammunition which creates the velocity. You know, the basic scientific logic of force (the firing pin) x mass (THE SIZE AND WEIGHT OF THE ROUND IT FIRES) = acceleration? Common sense, dude.

If you can't explain where this "power" that you referred to lies, then excuse yourself from the argument. There is nothing strawman about it. Rather me informing you that you are lying to yourself in thinking that a black rifle is more powerful than a hunting one. The only thing straw here is you as you consistently throw out fallacies without any reasoning or evidence about firearm power. By the way, have I ever said we should be able to have them, or are you just talking out of your ass again?

....so what you're saying here is i need to be a gun enthusiast to participate in a debate about assault weapons?

You clearly seem to be upset about the whole thing with Cat and Rants. I'm not even sure what that has to do with any of this. Typical ad hominem once someone has come along to refute your argument is what that looks like.

Bro, you're defending the fact that assault weapons, weapons which do more than just HOLD MORE FUCKING AMMO, belong in the hands of civilians. You still have yet to answer why guns that are military/law-enforcement issued belong in the hands of civilians? If you own an assault weapon, what do you use it for? Seriously, answer the question, stop attacking me as a poster, or get the fuck out of the thread if you dont know how to properly debate a point.