topic Re: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over?? in Shopify Discussionhttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203909#M66997
<P>Here's what you do:</P>
<P>Apply to join the upcoming 'Handmade at Amazon' shops. Etsy is big, but Amazon is a giant with WAY more traffic. I have been waiting a long time for etsy competition and this is it.&nbsp;</P>
<P><A href="http://services.amazon.com/handmade/handmade.htm">http://services.amazon.com/handmade/handmade.htm</A></P>
<P>Get in with H at A&nbsp;and get over Etsy. I find Etsy's policies to be downright cruel. Mistakes are going to be made, sometimes more than once, and to lose your income overnight is ridiculous.&nbsp;Even Etsy forums are weird and fear driven. You ask a question and are met with rudeness. There is no such thing as friendly competition amongst sellers. It's a ruthless &amp; sad place. Do not bother to ask for your shop back. Leave and don't look back.&nbsp;</P>
<P>On top of joining Amazon's new shops, open a Shopify store as well. Never put your eggs in one basket.</P>
<P>Good luck!</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 03:16:10 GMTmjcorder2015-08-28T03:16:10ZMy Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203891#M66979
<P>Long Story Short ~ Etsy booted me because I was selling a Hello Kitty Bracelet. &nbsp;I bought the charm thru an&nbsp;Etsy shop and I was not aware of the&nbsp;infrigment laws of reselling it on a piece of jewelry I made.&nbsp; My Bad! &nbsp;No excuses. &nbsp;But my Shop on Etsy was so profitable the last couple years that I quit my day job. &nbsp;I now have nothing but tons of inventory. &nbsp;I love what I do so I want to make a go of it on Shopify but I have been up and running for a month and I do not know why I am not getting the sales I was on Etsy. &nbsp;Is it my shop? &nbsp;My pictures? &nbsp;I use $5.00 a day on Ad Words. (All I can afford). &nbsp;Please help with suggestions. &nbsp;~ Jules at JulesObsession.com</P>Wed, 26 Aug 2015 03:41:15 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203891#M66979Julie_Wootton2015-08-26T03:41:15ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203892#M66980
<P>Social Media Marketing is your best friend!</P>
<P>In my opinion, Ad words and other paid advertisements are a waste of time in comparison to what you can get from social media marketing. Jewelry is a booming market in the instagram world. Somewhat saturated depending on the jewelry you sell, but there will always be an audience. You said you have a lot of stock. Do some research on instagram to find influencers that have a good following. Check their comments to see comments like "that necklace though! does anyone know where she got it!?" and check their bios to see in they have emails.&nbsp;</P>
<P>If they do, that's where you come in. Drop them an email telling them you will send them an item or two if they post about it and tag your instagram page. If they agree, set up EXTRA cute packaging and mail it off to them. Packaging really does carry a lot of weight as people make it seem. Include something personal like a note and candy maybe!&nbsp;</P>
<P>Do that to about 10 very top rated influencers and wait.</P>
<P>Patience is key.</P>
<P>Just keep doing what you do and be patient.</P>
<P>-Vanessa&nbsp;</P>
<P>Owner of Iza Noir</P>
<P><A href="http://www.izanoir.com">www.izanoir.com</A></P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 02:13:27 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203892#M66980Iza_Noir2015-08-28T02:13:27ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203893#M66981
<P>It's most likely you aren't seen even a fraction of the traffic your Etsy sore was seeing. You were listed in a highly searched marketplace on Etsy. That's why you pay Etsy 12% of your revenue. Those same people won't find your new shop unless you get in front of them.</P>
<P>Here are some ideas:</P>
<UL>
<LI>Put your products up on Amazon (another highly seached marketplace)</LI>
<LI>Run Facebook Ads targeting your demographics, regions, and interests around your products. Target people that like Etsy</LI>
<LI>Launch a referral program&nbsp;so those that do buy are incentivized to share with the world</LI>
<LI>Launch an affiliate program so bloggers/social influencers are incentivied to drive traffic to your site</LI>
<LI>Post on forums or reach out to forums to run advertising</LI>
<LI>Target etsy shoppers on Google with Search advertising.</LI>
</UL>
<P>&nbsp;</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 02:13:47 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203893#M66981Dualsided2015-08-28T02:13:47ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203894#M66982
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<P>I think I would appeal to Etsy to reconsider. With Amazon Handmade coming online soon, they should be receptive to keeping a shop which does real volume. I would attempt to speak to someone by phone for this.</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 02:14:01 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203895#M66983rick_Ziesing12015-08-28T02:14:01ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203896#M66984
<P>Hi Julie</P>
<P>Etsy comes with the benefit of bringing their existing audience, who comes to the site searching for goods and you were part of that search.&nbsp;</P>
<P>That&nbsp;is now something you have to build on your own now that you have your own shop on Shopify (also a great advantage in itself, for many reasons). &nbsp;Have you tried other (mostly free) marketing methods to help bring in traffic, such as:</P>
<UL>
<LI>Posting frequently to social media, especially visually-driven networks such as Pinterest and Instagram?</LI>
<LI>Tried different email newsletter campaigns?</LI>
<LI>How about a referral program to help harness the power of your existing customers? There are many Shopify apps to help.</LI>
<LI>Contacting countless blogs, social accounts and websites that may be interested in featuring your jewelry? There are probably endless possiblities as long as you can invest the time.</LI>
<LI>Try investing some of that AdWords money to social media advertisting, ie Facebook or Twitter, and comparing the results.</LI>
</UL>
<P>From a website design perspective:</P>
<UL>
<LI>More professional photos can help, but if that's not in your budget right now I think yours are serving their purpose.&nbsp;</LI>
<LI>I would suggest making your photo sizes consistent (ie all square or widescreen), so your shop pages are cleaner.</LI>
<LI>Your long product titles are descriptive, but a bit hard to follow. Can you break up the quote and the details (you could use title and type and vendor fields, potentially, or Shopify meta fields).</LI>
<LI>Try to build a little story behind your brand... some photos of people wearing the jewelry, showing what type of cusotmer(s) you have and what the lifestyle behind them and your products is. That is a larger discussion but something to think about.</LI>
</UL>
<P>Hope some of this helps!</P>
<P>Eric</P>
<P>---</P>
<P><A href="http://www.ericmillerdesign.com">http://www.ericmillerdesign.com</A></P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 02:18:54 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203896#M66984Eric_Miller2015-08-28T02:18:54ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203897#M66985
<P>I agree. Etsy is less and less handcrafted. They have a ton of big box brands selling now that drive huge amounts of volume for them. They are being hypocrtical if they shut down your store because it wasn't handcrafted.</P>
<P>You can also apply for:<BR />
<A href="https://www.etsy.com/wholesale">https://www.etsy.com/wholesale</A></P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 02:19:26 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203897#M66985Dualsided2015-08-28T02:19:26ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203898#M66986
<P>Surely you could just start another etsy shop?</P>
<P>I sell via etsy, depop, ebay and shopify</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 02:20:31 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203898#M66986Chelsea_Li2015-08-28T02:20:31ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203899#M66987
<P>The same thing happend to me! Here is my story:&nbsp;<A href="http://ladypreneurleague.com/why-getting-kicked-off-of-etsy-was-the-best-thing-that-ever-happened-to-my-business/">http://ladypreneurleague.com/why-getting-kicked-off-of-etsy-was-the-best-thing-that-ever-happened-to-my-business/</A></P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 02:54:25 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203899#M66987Kendra_Barnes2015-08-28T02:54:25ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203900#M66988
<P>The same thing happend to me! Here is my story:&nbsp;<A href="http://ladypreneurleague.com/why-getting-kicked-off-of-etsy-was-the-best-thing-that-ever-happened-to-my-business/">http://ladypreneurleague.com/why-getting-kicked-off-of-etsy-was-the-best-thing-that-ever-happened-to-my-business/</A></P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 02:54:34 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203900#M66988Kendra_Barnes2015-08-28T02:54:34ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203901#M66989
<P>The same thing happend to me! Here is my story:&nbsp;<A href="http://ladypreneurleague.com/why-getting-kicked-off-of-etsy-was-the-best-thing-that-ever-happened-to-my-business/">http://ladypreneurleague.com/why-getting-kicked-off-of-etsy-was-the-best-thing-that-ever-happened-to-my-business/</A></P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 02:55:48 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203901#M66989Kendra_Barnes2015-08-28T02:55:48ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203902#M66990
<P>Hi Julie,</P>
<UL>
<LI>Adwords will be too expensive to get a good ROI.</LI>
<LI>Inbound Marketing works well if you are good at blogging and keyword tracking. And it takes time to get results. <A href="http://www.hubspot.com/inbound-marketing">http://www.hubspot.com/inbound-marketing</A></LI>
<LI>Like the others, get on amazon and ebay&nbsp;to compensate rapidly your lost of revenue.</LI>
<LI>On-Page SEO for Google is a bit different than Etsy, Less keyword but be more precise. &nbsp;<A href="https://moz.com/learn/seo/on-page-factors">https://moz.com/learn/seo/on-page-factors</A></LI>
</UL>
<P>And good luck!&nbsp;<BR />
<BR />
Fred</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 03:01:05 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203902#M66990Fred_Charest2015-08-28T03:01:05ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203903#M66991
<P>I think it was more than Hello Kitty. You sold items that were copyrighted by Inspired Endurance and you still are carrying copyrighted designs of Lift Your Sole, Chalk Talk Sports, and Rembrandt Charms. Alibaba is a dangerous place to buy items for resale.</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 03:04:21 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203903#M66991marie_scholl2015-08-28T03:04:21ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203904#M66992
<P>Hi Julie,</P>
<P>I would recommend repinning the jewelry from your new Shopify store on your Pinterest board. Right now it's leading viewers to your Etsy store.</P>
<P>I also think you should ask Etsy to review your case.</P>
<P>Best,<BR />
Beth</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 03:04:45 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203904#M66992beth82015-08-28T03:04:45ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203905#M66993
<P>I started my business on Etsy which I am currently phasing out. &nbsp;You have&nbsp;Google advertising provided by Etsy which&nbsp;helps to drive significant traffic &amp; revenue. &nbsp;Etsy also does a considerable about of volume in the jewelry category, so the customers are already there looking for you. &nbsp;You need outside sales channels -- eBay, Amazon, etc. -- which include Google promotion. &nbsp;The&nbsp;packages shipped to other channels should include a marketing piece to come back to your website. &nbsp;This strategy has been absolutely essential to growing my business. &nbsp;Take what you know about your demographics, keywords, top selling products &amp; focus on what you know &amp;&nbsp;what sells best -- put them front &amp; center on your site&nbsp;vs trying to put everything out there. &nbsp;On your homepage...you'll need a graphic front &amp; center answering:&nbsp;What is your key point of difference? &nbsp;What do you do differently from other jewelry brands? &nbsp;When customers come to Etsy, they already assume the handmade element is present. &nbsp;Etsy also emphasizes &nbsp;over &amp; over again&nbsp;that&nbsp;"images are everything." &nbsp;In other words...while text will help your SEO...make those photos of your product bigger (2-3x the current size) with a crisp&nbsp;WHITE background &amp; text limited to 2-3 words. &nbsp; Product forward, content second. &nbsp;I know from a zillion Etsy convo's that customers almost never read the descriptions...so make those photos pop! &nbsp;Look at the best selling jewelry products on Etsy...what do their photos look like? &nbsp;And what keywords do they use? &nbsp;Imitate the best! &nbsp;Hope that helps!! &nbsp;Best of luck!!!</P>
<P>(I recommend Upgraded Images -- upgradedimages.com for photos. &nbsp;~$20/photo &amp; quick turnaround. &nbsp;Make the most of any marketing and&nbsp;advertising $ by putting best face forward. &nbsp;Always. My Etsy visits +40% when I switched to my new images.)</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 03:14:34 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203905#M66993Melanie_Isett2015-08-28T03:14:34ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203906#M66994
<P>Here's what you do:</P>
<P>Apply to join the upcoming 'Handmade at Amazon' shops. Etsy is big, but Amazon is a giant with WAY more traffic. I have been waiting a long time for etsy competition and this is it.&nbsp;</P>
<P><A href="http://services.amazon.com/handmade/handmade.htm">http://services.amazon.com/handmade/handmade.htm</A></P>
<P>Get in with H at A&nbsp;and get over Etsy. I find Etsy's policies to be downright cruel. Mistakes are going to be made, sometimes more than once, and to lose your income overnight is ridiculous.&nbsp;Even Etsy forums are weird and fear driven. You ask a question and are met with rudeness. There is no such thing as friendly competition amongst sellers. It's a ruthless &amp; sad place. Do not bother to ask for your shop back. Leave and don't look back.&nbsp;</P>
<P>On top of joining Amazon's new shops, open a Shopify store as well. Never put your eggs in one basket.</P>
<P>Good luck!</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 03:15:48 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203906#M66994mjcorder2015-08-28T03:15:48ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203907#M66995
<P>Here's what you do:</P>
<P>Apply to join the upcoming 'Handmade at Amazon' shops. Etsy is big, but Amazon is a giant with WAY more traffic. I have been waiting a long time for etsy competition and this is it.&nbsp;</P>
<P><A href="http://services.amazon.com/handmade/handmade.htm">http://services.amazon.com/handmade/handmade.htm</A></P>
<P>Get in with H at A&nbsp;and get over Etsy. I find Etsy's policies to be downright cruel. Mistakes are going to be made, sometimes more than once, and to lose your income overnight is ridiculous.&nbsp;Even Etsy forums are weird and fear driven. You ask a question and are met with rudeness. There is no such thing as friendly competition amongst sellers. It's a ruthless &amp; sad place. Do not bother to ask for your shop back. Leave and don't look back.&nbsp;</P>
<P>On top of joining Amazon's new shops, open a Shopify store as well. Never put your eggs in one basket.</P>
<P>Good luck!</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 03:15:59 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203907#M66995mjcorder2015-08-28T03:15:59ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203908#M66996
<P>Etsy gives you 3 chances before the shut down your shop. Keep in mind infringement is infringment no matter where you sell.</P>
<P>For something like your items I would think Pinterest would be huge. Are you pinning there from your Shopify store? If you have pins to your old Etsy store I would delete them or edit them with your new address.</P>
<P>You are now going to have to drive your own traffic. More work but it can be done.</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 03:16:07 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203908#M66996Kay_Baxter2015-08-28T03:16:07ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203909#M66997
<P>Here's what you do:</P>
<P>Apply to join the upcoming 'Handmade at Amazon' shops. Etsy is big, but Amazon is a giant with WAY more traffic. I have been waiting a long time for etsy competition and this is it.&nbsp;</P>
<P><A href="http://services.amazon.com/handmade/handmade.htm">http://services.amazon.com/handmade/handmade.htm</A></P>
<P>Get in with H at A&nbsp;and get over Etsy. I find Etsy's policies to be downright cruel. Mistakes are going to be made, sometimes more than once, and to lose your income overnight is ridiculous.&nbsp;Even Etsy forums are weird and fear driven. You ask a question and are met with rudeness. There is no such thing as friendly competition amongst sellers. It's a ruthless &amp; sad place. Do not bother to ask for your shop back. Leave and don't look back.&nbsp;</P>
<P>On top of joining Amazon's new shops, open a Shopify store as well. Never put your eggs in one basket.</P>
<P>Good luck!</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 03:16:10 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203909#M66997mjcorder2015-08-28T03:16:10ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203910#M66998
<P>Here's what you do:</P>
<P>Apply to join the upcoming 'Handmade at Amazon' shops. Etsy is big, but Amazon is a giant with WAY more traffic. I have been waiting a long time for etsy competition and this is it.&nbsp;</P>
<P><A href="http://services.amazon.com/handmade/handmade.htm">http://services.amazon.com/handmade/handmade.htm</A></P>
<P>Get in with H at A&nbsp;and get over Etsy. I find Etsy's policies to be downright cruel. Mistakes are going to be made, sometimes more than once, and to lose your income overnight is ridiculous.&nbsp;Even Etsy forums are weird and fear driven. You ask a question and are met with rudeness. There is no such thing as friendly competition amongst sellers. It's a ruthless &amp; sad place. Do not bother to ask for your shop back. Leave and don't look back.&nbsp;</P>
<P>On top of joining Amazon's new shops, open a Shopify store as well. Never put your eggs in one basket.</P>
<P>Good luck!</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 03:16:30 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203910#M66998mjcorder2015-08-28T03:16:30ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203911#M66999
<P>This is excellent advice, and she is 100% correct. Save your money on paid ads and use social media for all it's worth. Instagram has recently grown past Facebook for click-thru sales by a landslide. I can vouch for that as 75% of my website sales come directly from Instagram--they're also my most loyal customers, meaning repeat sales.&nbsp;</P>
<P>I have an Etsy Shop too and I'm so sorry to hear they shut you down, it's a story I've heard all too often. But one of the best parts of having your own website (via Shopify) is you can sell whatever you want! No restrictions. Huzzah!</P>
<P>The only thing social media costs is time, and it's so well worth it and will pay itself off in spades. Just take the time to use it properly and you will succeed. Since you sell jewelry, you might want to try Pinterest as well, although it doesn't work for me, a lot of people have great success with it.</P>
<P>Good luck and keep going, you'll get there!</P>
<P>Lisa</P>
<P><A href="http://www.lacreeperie.com">www.lacreeperie.com</A></P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 03:24:31 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203911#M66999Lisa_Sumner2015-08-28T03:24:31ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203912#M67000
Hi Julie,
Etsy shut my shop down too after 6 years of high volume selling. The kicker is t wasn't even over an item I was selling but what another shop was selling. My house mate had a shop too and bought graphics from another etsy shop and made an item using the images. Etsy shut her shop down because they said it was infringement. It's ok for these shops to sell the charms and graphics but not ok to use them I guess. Even though her shop belonged to her with her own personal information and her own bank and PayPal info they shut my two shops down just because we shared an IP address. This policy is so wrong on many levels but it happened. I too had such success that I was able to do it full time so I know your pain! You all of the sudden you have nothing, they take all your listings, feedback and your online existance.
It won't do any good to try to get your shop reopened. I tried pleading with them for a whole year and they won't budge. I even emailed Chad Dickerson and he just has their legal department reiterate the poor policies they have. I tried to reopen a shop because I never even got a notice when they shut my shop down. If you try to reopen a shop they find it very quickly and they take away your buying privileges...yep, you heard me right, you are now banned totally. All of this happened to me and I didn't even break one rule or policy!
I am now on Shopify, Ebay and Amazon and have rebuilt my business to a decent level but nothing like Etsy. Here are my suggestions:
1. I found that paying for Google ad words was not only very expensive but not fruitful.
2. Get yourself a marketing campaign service such as Mail Cimp or Emma and go back into your etsy sales records and send out a marketing campaign letting your past customers know where to find you and offer a discount on their purchase.
Keep in mind you can only go back 18 months before breaking some other ecommerce rule.
3. As others have posted use Instagram and Pinterest. I have been told that Facebook is king but I am not that into it for several reasons, mostly time is very valuable I have to pick a poison and stick to it. I really need a social media guru as my best friend and employ them but again it's money.
4. If you haven't already get your application in for Amazon Handmade and put your efforts into your own site on Shopify and Amazon. I think maybe Amazon Handmade will be a great place for the legitimate sellers that have exiled from etsy to go.
5. Where ever you decide to make your new home on the web just never put all your eggs in one basket. I made that mistake with Etsy and it was a big lesson to learn! I never thought I had anything to worry about but now they are closing shops when they don't even do anything wrong. There are many many stories just like mine out there and they have had to rebuild too. It has taken me over a year to finally get over it but I have and you will too. There is a huge world outside of etsy!!
6. Don't give up and you will persevere! I wish you all the best!
Sincerely,
Melissa
Glamour Girl BeadsFri, 28 Aug 2015 03:30:56 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203912#M67000Glamourgirlbead2015-08-28T03:30:56ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203913#M67001
<P>I think it was more than Hello Kitty. You sold items that were copyrighted by Inspired Endurance and you still are carrying copyrighted designs of Lift Your Sole, Chalk Talk Sports, Charm Factory and Rembrandt Charms. Alibaba is a dangerous place to buy items for resale.</P>
<P>I am the owner of Inspired Endurance&nbsp;and seeing your Etsy shop and other Etsy shops&nbsp;resell my copyrighted designs has been a very sickening process that has damaged a business I have worked very hard to build for the past 8 years.&nbsp;I'm sure the other businesses above whom I respect are being damaged as well, thanks to Alibaba.</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 03:42:21 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203913#M67001marie_scholl2015-08-28T03:42:21ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203914#M67002
<P>I totally agree with ALL the other replies!&nbsp;</P>
<P>ETSY IS HORRIBLE.</P>
<P>I've had a different experience with Etsy shutting down my shop with little or no communication from them. I made roughly 70 grand through sales on
Etsy which drove me to take it on full time. Well sadly overnight I was shut down and basically lost my job(my store).&nbsp;</P>
<P>Good thing I used Social Media since I started to help me grow which its something I can have help me but my solo sales are NO WHERE close to what I brought in from Etsy.</P>
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<P>I too am waiting for Handmade by Amazon. Unfotunately they do not have my section available yet.&nbsp;</P>
<P>Just give it some time. Use what you have available to bring in some traffic. Literally after Etsy shut me down I got on every Social Media; Facebook, Instagram(my biggest), Twitter, Tumblr, Reddit. I used EVERY platform I could get my hands on that wasn't too expensive. I looked for similar Handmade marketplaces like Banaza. I took up selling on Ebay. I recently started posting my items on a app called Offer Up. Its usually for things people want to sell(like a big online yard sale app). But i'm getting sales there too!</P>
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<P>PUT SOME TIME INTO IT!! Make yourself stand out on every internet site you can! Patience is key!</P>
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<P>Etsy is very one sided and I beleive to harsh on their sellers which THEY NEED. I know that Etsy is a community based marketplace which is why it has grown the way it has but the community does not have anyone else interest besides themselves. Which is fine but now after being a victim of the Etsy monster I am glad to say I no longer do business with them. Being on your own should give you a push and boost to make it on your own without a third party.&nbsp;</P>
<P>Right now it might suck and you might feel the loss financially but MARKET your company and it will grow!&nbsp;</P>
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<P>BY THE WAY I love your site!
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<P>-Lea</P>
<P><A href="http://www.PasseDesigns.com">www.PasseDesigns.com</A></P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 03:55:55 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203914#M67002LeBrock_Blyston2015-08-28T03:55:55ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203915#M67003
<P>How did you come up with the 12% Etsy fee number? It is incorrect.</P>
<P>Etsy fess are 3.5% +.30 of the sale.&nbsp; Normal cc fess are 3% +.25-similar to what you would pay anywhere.</P>
<P>Traffic numbers are unmatched on that platform.&nbsp; I can't shut that store down due to the traffic I receive.&nbsp; This year has shown 136,395 views and over 800 orders.&nbsp; Christmas is our busiest time and we usually see double that in Oct &amp; Nov combined.&nbsp;</P>
<P>I would love to only have the web store when and "if" I can get the traffic up.</P>
<P>BoutiqueMonogram.com</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 04:04:26 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203915#M67003Boutique_Monogr2015-08-28T04:04:26ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203916#M67004
<P>I think Etsy's fees are way lower than that.&nbsp;</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 04:08:55 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203916#M67004LeBrock_Blyston2015-08-28T04:08:55ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203917#M67005
<P>I hate to say it but I have never used any social media until this happened! &nbsp;I am spending day and night trying to learn about Facebook and anything else pertaining to Social Media.</P>
<P>Thank you so much for all the great ideas! &nbsp;I just applied to Amazon Handmade and I am going to research Instagram now.</P>
<P>Patience ~ I know! &nbsp;Easier said then done!</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 04:13:55 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203917#M67005Julie_Wootton2015-08-28T04:13:55ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203918#M67006
<P>I agree. &nbsp;I looked at Jules' shop and see multiple items that aren't attributed to the trademark owner, including a University of Florida gator charm. &nbsp;UF has deep pockets and is relentless about going after trademark and copyright infringements. &nbsp;Beware.....</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 04:53:15 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203918#M67006Katherine_Swift2015-08-28T04:53:15ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203919#M67007
<P>Thanks! &nbsp;I just removed it!! &nbsp;I had&nbsp;no idea that was anything more then an alligator charm.</P>
<P>How do I know what I can and cannot use? &nbsp;If anyone see's something, please let me know. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 04:55:22 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203919#M67007Julie_Wootton2015-08-28T04:55:22ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203920#M67008
<P>Etsy is not very personable as far as their customer service. I also lost my shop on etsy, a different reason altogether. There seem to be quite a bit of negative feedback with past Etsy shop owners on google/bing reviews. I went through the process of calling, no response. (Not to mention finding the number to call was a hasle) then I emailed several times and I could get no where. The people I spoke to were in my opinion very rude and not open to reason at all....</P>
<P>That was my number ONE reason for opening my store with Shopify. I have been with shopify since February of this year and it's been slow drving traffic to my website. There are other sites like Etsy that work, like Artfire and Aftacraft... The problem is you bring them (Etsy, and others) a lot of traffic for them to make a lot of profit and in the end not value the very people that made them.</P>
<P>It's work, however social media is the ticket. Instagram, Pintrest, Twitter, Facebook, Fancy, google+. This is where everyone shares what they love and blogg about any and all. Also, paper ads in your very own local paper. There cheap and people still read the paper. It's also a business write off.</P>
<P>Don't give up!&nbsp; Your site looks good. Also add your website to everything, email, pins, tags.</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 04:59:39 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203920#M67008Sharon_Holliday2015-08-28T04:59:39ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203921#M67009
<P>Hey -</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 05:02:19 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203921#M67009Patty_Deuhs2015-08-28T05:02:19ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203922#M67010
<P>My etsy shop was shut down too for a dog collar that had John Deere ribbon on it. I bought the ribbon on another etsy store. I went around and around with Etsy Legal over it. They had me contact John Deere who the complaint came from. I did. I have an email from John Deere saying that the matter was settled between us but Etsy would not budge on letting us sell again. Etsy Legal finally just stopped responding to me. So I put a note on my home page saying we are on ebay now. But we are not getting even 1/2 the traffic and sale on ebay that we had on etsy. I'm the same as the poster here...we were dependent on the income from our etsy store and this is hurting us terribly. I don' t know what else to do.<BR />
Brenda in Maryland.</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 05:09:51 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203922#M67010brenda54602015-08-28T05:09:51ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203923#M67011
<P>i just applied for the amazon handmade store the reply I got was that the application will be considered but they'd contact me in about 4 weeks to let me know a decision. That's a long time to wait to get started but I guess it's better than nothing. Thanks for sharing the information.</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 05:24:11 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203923#M67011brenda54602015-08-28T05:24:11ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203924#M67012
<P><A href="https://ecommerce.shopify.com/users/379879">rick Ziesing</A>&nbsp;suggested contacting Etsy "by phone&nbsp;to reconsider." Etsy does not publish a phone number and they have destroyed many people's ongoing, profitable businesses for selling something they "believe was not licensed properly." In this case, the jeweler bought the Hello Kitty charm and used it in their own handcrafted jewelry. Why this was considered wrong I have no idea. But apparently someone reported it to Etsy (despite the fact that it was originally&nbsp;purchased on Etsy!) and BOOM! Etsy shop CLOSED.</P>
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<P>You cannot reopen a new store on Etsy under a different name, or by a different person, if it's a computer with the same IP address. In other words, if a mother's&nbsp;Etsy store has been closed with no real explanation or chance to rectify things (which is how Etsy operates), and her daughter also has an Etsy store, BOTH WILL BE CLOSED without explanation, rhyme or reason!</P>
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<P>There are many people who have been damaged by Etsy's unfair business practices, lack of resolution to problems and closing stores when people have outstanding orders and cannot get in even to notify people as to why they cannot fulfill their orders! It's really outrageous and people are beginning to complain to the Better Business Bureau (BBB), state attorney generals and more. Etsy needs to improve the way it treats it's vendors and that's one reason I don't sell on Etsy. Talk about unfair business practices! Surely if someone as a small individual business makes a mistake by using something like one small charm on one small bracelet, this could be rectified instead of destroying their livelihood overnight.</P>
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<P>I don't know what to tell you about "how to sell on Shopify," as your presentation and jewelry&nbsp;photos were obviously good enough for your previous sales. We are&nbsp;on Shopify and have very few sales ourselves. I have thought about using Etsy, but the way they operate makes me very leery of their damaging business practices... even though many people do very well with them until one day, BOOM! DOORS LOCKED, they have "lost their lease&nbsp;and they are out on the street!" With no recourse, reconsideration or review.</P>
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<P>I would definitely take this up with someone in a position of authority or a consumer rights group, but in the meantime I hope you are able to regain some of your lost sales position. Good luck and let us know how it turns out! I'm sorry this happened to you but as you have really nice products, surely "God will smile on you" and you can return to your former state as soon as possible.</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 05:32:18 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203924#M67012catherinetodd2015-08-28T05:32:18ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203925#M67013
<P>welp there it is!</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 06:12:01 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203925#M67013Rachel_Von_Glah2015-08-28T06:12:01ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203926#M67014
<P>it wont take that long they responded to me in a day ...they have not opened up their apparel part of the amazon handmade. So youll have to wait if thats something you do.</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 06:13:23 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203926#M67014Rachel_Von_Glah2015-08-28T06:13:23ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203927#M67015
<P>We do custom dog collars and leashes</P>
<P><A href="http://www.facebook.com/gone2thedogs2013">www.facebook.com/gone2thedogs2013</A></P>
<P>I'm hoping they let us list. We are on eBay too but they only allow a certain amount of listings at first...and we have so many collars and leashes that we can do. <A href="http://stores.ebay.com/gone2thedogs2015/">http://stores.ebay.com/gone2thedogs2015/</A></P>
<P>We don't even get 1/2 the orders there though that we did on Etsy...it's really hurting us financially.<BR />
Oh well..this too shall pass we hope!<BR />
Brenda</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 06:49:36 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203927#M67015brenda54602015-08-28T06:49:36ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203928#M67016
<P>Hi Brenda! What do you sell? I would love to visit your shopify store.</P>
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<P>Thanks,</P>
<P>Sharon</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 06:50:47 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203928#M67016Sharon_Holliday2015-08-28T06:50:47ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203929#M67017
<P>We are not on Shopify yet but we hopefully will be able to be soon. Right now we are on facebook <A href="http://www.facebook.com/gone2thedogs2013">www.facebook.com/gone2thedogs2013</A> and ebay <A href="http://www.stores.ebay.com/gone2thedogs2015">www.stores.ebay.com/gone2thedogs2015</A> ...but neither of those do as many sales as we had on etsy.</P>
<P>We make and sell custom collars and leashes for dogs.</P>
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Thanks,<BR />
Brenda</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 06:55:04 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203929#M67017brenda54602015-08-28T06:55:04ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203930#M67018
<P>I thought that to, however they have your IP address (which HotShield.com can block IP address locations) however you can't change your social security number and they require it.</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 07:58:21 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203930#M67018Sharon_Holliday2015-08-28T07:58:21ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203931#M67019
<P>Thank you for sharing Kendra! I shared your story in my bog. I also shared a link to your store.</P>
<P>:) Sharon</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 08:01:10 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203931#M67019Sharon_Holliday2015-08-28T08:01:10ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203932#M67020
<P>The shop was shut down because she was violating international copyright laws.</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 08:34:27 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203932#M67020Brett_Thevenot2015-08-28T08:34:27ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203933#M67021
<P>There are a lot of YouTube videos out there about Instagam and Pintrest marketing. &nbsp;Just be warned....it can be extremely overwhelming!! &nbsp;</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 08:56:47 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203933#M67021Vikki_Hart2015-08-28T08:56:47ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203934#M67022
<P>I hand make every piece of my jewelry howeve etsy just closed my shop saying my business is big operation.&nbsp;&nbsp; even though etsy closed my shop, but it allows dozens shops using my photos and descriptions to run business there.</P>
<P>I just set up my shopify store</P>
<P><A href="http://www.thelordofgemrings.com/">http://www.thelordofgemrings.com/</A></P>
<P>I would like to apply for handmade amazon.&nbsp; I am in the process in preparing the application to get invited to amazon handamde.&nbsp; any tips for successful application much apprecitated.</P>
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<P>&nbsp;</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 09:55:02 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203934#M67022Stephan_Joy2015-08-28T09:55:02ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203935#M67023
Jules,
Howdy. I saw your post on the Shopify newsletter and wanted to pass along some thoughts. A bit about me: I'm an author, speaker and have been doing marketing for about a decade.&nbsp; I'm the owner of a Google Certified Partner company and have been certified myself for 5 years.
I'm highly suggesting you Do Not use AdWords or Google shopping. They are expensive and I've never seen a jewelry company profitable via this for of ads.
It sounded like you had great success by using an existing platform to sell your goods. Given that I would suggest you look to other platforms to continue this.
Zulily and Pinterest are to great options for selling jewelry. Pinterest also has a fledgling advertising platform that is cheap (we average $0.11/click) compared to $2+ on Google. It additionally has the buy it now button on your items/pins.
I hope some of this helps,
Ken Cook
Http://preparedmarketing.comFri, 28 Aug 2015 20:28:14 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203935#M67023Ken_Cook2015-08-28T20:28:14ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203936#M67024
<P>After looking at your store I can see why they did Etsy has been getting a lot of flak over the whole handmade thing. One of their large stores just closed down do to the manufactoring concept they initiated. People who have been loyal sellers of handmade meaning they don't have employees making their items it is all done by the owner, so what you sell is sorta under that, you make the bracelet but all the charms and what not that you put on the braclets are premade, you buy them from someone and just hang them, now if you actually stamped them your self that would be different, cause there are shops out there that do that , they make the items from concept to finish. I am not saying its a bad thing you do but Etsy started as a complete handmade or vintage, not mass produced.</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 20:49:22 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203936#M67024Sylvia_Steampun2015-08-28T20:49:22ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203937#M67025
<P>@ Marie Scholl:&nbsp;Geez you better remove your current web address. She might steal those designs as well.</P>
<P>People suck sometimes.</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 21:38:03 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203937#M67025Samantha_Dennet2015-08-28T21:38:03ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203938#M67026
<P>@Samantha Dennett:&nbsp; My shopify site is a new business I started to help with the impact of the Chinese reproductions of my Inspired Endurance designs. Jules Obsession was not cooperative when notified LAST YEAR, demanded to see my copyright and trademark proof and again this year when she reposted my designs, likely thinking I wouldn't notice.</P>
<P>For instance she has this product: <A href="http://julesobsession.com/collections/bracelets/products/26-2-marathon-charm-on-silver-bracelet-expandable-adjustable-wire-bangle-finish-line-gift-trendy">http://julesobsession.com/collections/bracelets/products/26-2-marathon-charm-on-silver-bracelet-expandable-adjustable-wire-bangle-finish-line-gift-trendy</A></P>
<P>And the design is owned by Rembrandt charms: <A href="http://rembrandtcharms.com/CharmDetail?ClassID=10&amp;StyleID=2737&amp;SizeID=000">http://rembrandtcharms.com/CharmDetail?ClassID=10&amp;StyleID=2737&amp;SizeID=000</A></P>
<P>There are several on her site like this. Thankfully my designs are not on here but there are several who belong to my friendly competition.</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 21:52:12 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203938#M67026marie_scholl2015-08-28T21:52:12ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203939#M67027
<P>@ Marie Scholl</P>
<P>Yes I completely understand. I'm a toy/novelty retailer and am finding theres no point continuing as pricing and accessibility is out there for just anyone to buy, and at the same time, asian manufacturers scour sites to find stuff to knock off.&nbsp;</P>
<P>Well she still has your "5K" charm on there from when I quickly scanned.</P>
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It's killing me here that people are praising this woman's shop and "creativity" even though she is stealing designs. Ugh. Lol.</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 21:59:43 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203939#M67027Samantha_Dennet2015-08-28T21:59:43ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203940#M67028
<P>@Samantha Dennett:&nbsp; Thank you for noticing. The irony is that I was so over it and the shopify email was staring me in the face. I couldn't believe it when I saw it was her. Love your site ( :</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 22:06:38 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203940#M67028marie_scholl2015-08-28T22:06:38ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203941#M67029
<P>@ Marie</P>
<P>Yeah its amazing how some people can just breeze by this stuff and not notice that the&nbsp;<BR />
person is well, a thief! There I said it. Ignorance of copyrights is no excuse while Google<BR />
exists. The first thing I do before I buy or make something and put it&nbsp;on the web, whether its&nbsp;art or a product, is SEARCH it til I can't search anymore. She should have found you and&nbsp;Rembrandt and asked permission and hell it may have been the start of a mutually beneficial&nbsp;thing. I find that this&nbsp;trend of "its better to ask forgiveness than permission" is totally backwards.<BR />
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Thanks for the compliment though its probably coming down soon! The asian open market is killing me lol.Oh well on to the next beautiful disaster! =D</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 22:14:06 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203941#M67029Samantha_Dennet2015-08-28T22:14:06ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203942#M67030
<P>Once you have been shut down by Etsy, they warn you that you cannot start another shop. &nbsp;If you do, you will be banned from even shopping on Etsy.</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 23:12:24 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203942#M67030Fan_art_fan2015-08-28T23:12:24ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203943#M67031
<P>Samantha Dennett, "she" didn't steal anyone's designs. "She" said she sold a hello kitty charm that she bought on Etsy and other charms that were purchased on Alibaba and elsewhere. "She" didn't realize they were someone else's designs, including the alligator charm that apparently "belongs" to a particular University (Florida?). I didn't recognize that as being "owned" either!</P>
<P>The woman who says she sees her own designs "stolen" was talking about how Alibaba and others "steal her designs" and she sees them reproduced everywhere.</P>
<P>At some point people are going to realize that there is no way to protect one's own designs unless one has very deep pockets and is going to be able to protect their own designs. We do jewelry designs and beadwork and it's a constant problem to see our own designs copied the very next day by many others, but I have finally realized that anything I put out in the public eye is going to be copied and changed and reformatted and redesigned and we might just have to get used to it at some point.</P>
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<P>It's really disheartening to see one's designs copied, that's for sure, and I watermark all our photographs,&nbsp;but in that case it might just end up having to be kept in one's own "locked library or jewel case." I did that with some of our unique designs until I realized I just couldn't sell them that way, and gave up and put them in the public arena. They of course were copied and now very nice variations are beginning to appear, and that's all to the good.</P>
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<P>That's been my own experience about "owning" artwork and designs.</P>
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<P>Calling this woman who began this discussion a theif and saying "she might steal more of your designs" is really out of line. My apologies to Julie Wooten.</P>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 23:31:56 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203943#M67031catherinetodd2015-08-28T23:31:56ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203944#M67032
There is a particular shop selling thousands of items claiming they are handmade. They are made in China. I see the same items on sites such as Alibaba. Hmmm. I resell copyrighted items but I have a disclaimer on my site. I also cite the "First Rule Doctrine." Everyone on this forum needs to know about it. Feel free to use/copy my verbage.Sat, 29 Aug 2015 05:01:23 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203944#M67032TwistKnot2015-08-29T05:01:23ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203945#M67033
<P>Please expalin the "First Rule Doctrine" I am not familiar. &nbsp;Love your site but it contains Hello Kity. &nbsp;I am really confused now. &nbsp;Am I missing something? &nbsp;</P>Sat, 29 Aug 2015 05:30:33 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203945#M67033Julie_Wootton2015-08-29T05:30:33ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203946#M67034
<P>The top 3 selling shops on Etsy are selling import export items from India...as handmade...but I found their import export website with the same pictures for faux tribal&nbsp;gear earrings...they are A top five&nbsp;seller. &nbsp;I sent the website to Etsy and the store is still there 4 months later. &nbsp;The top five is a woman saying she makes headscarfs...I saw them...same item...same design and material in Walgreens for $8 and she sells them for $28. &nbsp;She makes about $60k per month....so how can she make that many????????? &nbsp;Etsy is fraught with politics and money for only Etsy.</P>Sat, 29 Aug 2015 07:05:55 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203946#M67034Fan_art_fan2015-08-29T07:05:55ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203947#M67035
<P>And this is the issue with how easy it is for anyone to start an online business,&nbsp; they just jump in feet first without learning the copyright and trademark laws.&nbsp;&nbsp; And asking someone on a message board is a horrible way to go about learning it,&nbsp; since there's misinformation here too.&nbsp; For instance the "first sale doctrine" does NOT apply to TwistKnot's store as they mistakenly believe,&nbsp; since they are not selling fabric.&nbsp; They have used the licensed fabric to create items for resale which is completely not covered under the first sale doctrine and the only reason their shop is still open is that they haven't made enough sales to get on anyone's radar yet.&nbsp;<BR />
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First sale doctrine is why you can buy a book,&nbsp; read it,&nbsp; and then sell it to someone else.&nbsp; However buying that book does NOT allow you to rip out the images and then create something out of the images and sell it.&nbsp;&nbsp; You can resell the item AS IS,&nbsp; you are not allowed to resell it any way you want.<BR />
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As for your copyright and trademark violations,&nbsp; I think the issue is that you're selling pirated stock,&nbsp; it wasn't bought from official sources.&nbsp; Sourcing from China is scary business,&nbsp; sure the charms are cheap but they're cheaply made and they are stolen.&nbsp;&nbsp; You need to buy your stock from the LICENSED dealers,&nbsp; which means that your costs will go up dramatically because the Alibaba prices are just not the correct market prices.&nbsp; You may find that a lot of your previous success was due to the fact that you could underprice your competition,&nbsp; and that having to charge full retail may mean that your business is no longer enough to support you.&nbsp;&nbsp; Your VALUE before was your pricepoint,&nbsp; but it was never going to be a lasting business as it was built on unlicensed charms.&nbsp;&nbsp; So you need to find a new value or a new job.</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>Sun, 30 Aug 2015 06:02:46 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203947#M67035Julie_Lalonde2015-08-30T06:02:46ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203948#M67036
<P>And this is the issue with how easy it is for anyone to start an online business,&nbsp; they just jump in feet first without learning the copyright and trademark laws.&nbsp;&nbsp; And asking someone on a message board is a horrible way to go about learning it,&nbsp; since there's misinformation here too.&nbsp; For instance the "first sale doctrine" does NOT apply to TwistKnot's store as they mistakenly believe,&nbsp; since they are not selling fabric.&nbsp; They have used the licensed fabric to create items for resale which is completely not covered under the first sale doctrine and the only reason their shop is still open is that they haven't made enough sales to get on anyone's radar yet.</P>
<P>First sale doctrine is why you can buy a book,&nbsp; read it,&nbsp; and then sell it to someone else.&nbsp; However buying that book does NOT allow you to rip out the images and then create something out of the images and sell it.&nbsp;&nbsp; You can resell the item AS IS,&nbsp; you are not allowed to resell it any way you want.</P>
<P>As for your copyright and trademark violations,&nbsp; I think the issue is that you're selling pirated stock,&nbsp; it wasn't bought from official sources.&nbsp; Sourcing from China is scary business,&nbsp; sure the charms are cheap but they're cheaply made and they are stolen.&nbsp;&nbsp; You need to buy your stock from the LICENSED dealers,&nbsp; which means that your costs will go up dramatically because the Alibaba prices are just not the correct market prices.&nbsp; You may find that a lot of your previous success was due to the fact that you could underprice your competition,&nbsp; and that having to charge full retail may mean that your business is no longer enough to support you.&nbsp;&nbsp; Your VALUE before was your pricepoint,&nbsp; but it was never going to be a lasting business as it was built on unlicensed charms.&nbsp;&nbsp; So you need to find a new value or a new job.</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>Sun, 30 Aug 2015 06:04:32 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203948#M67036Lovely_Clementi2015-08-30T06:04:32ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203949#M67037
<P>One more thing about the Etsy "monster".&nbsp;&nbsp; It is not up to Etsy to educate you on how copyright/trademarks work.&nbsp; It is also not up to Etsy to educate you on how to run a legitimate business.&nbsp; Etsy simply enforces copyright infringement claims that are submitted to THEM by the copyright/trademark owners.&nbsp; I've had a few stores on Etsy for several years, with over 15k sales,&nbsp; in graphic design.&nbsp;&nbsp; In all that time I've had Etsy shut down a listing once,&nbsp; for using the term "Onesie" in a tag.&nbsp; I didn't realize that it was trademarked to Gerber,&nbsp; completely my fault,&nbsp; I should have researched.&nbsp;&nbsp; The point is Etsy did not shut me down,&nbsp; they gave me a few days to fix my mistakes.&nbsp; I removed any mention of Onesie from my listings and from that point on there has been no issue.&nbsp;&nbsp; The stores that I've seen get shut down were because the owners left other infringing listings up (Etsy will only point out ONE infringement,&nbsp; it is up to the owner to look through every single listing to make sure they are compliant).&nbsp;&nbsp; Honestly,&nbsp; I sell stock vectors on Etsy so as a graphic artist I take copyright pretty seriously.&nbsp; I am seriously surprised at the amount of people on Etsy that don't take it seriously at all.&nbsp; Come on people,&nbsp; you can't draw Mickey Mouse and then sell it.&nbsp; YOu can't do "Disney Princess inspired" items.&nbsp; Just because Disney has bigger fish to fry and hasn't come after you does not mean it's right.&nbsp; So just because you have sold something on Etsy for years does not mean that it is OK.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Basically if it's trademarked,&nbsp; you need a license to use it.&nbsp; If you purchased licensed fabric,&nbsp; that does not give you the right to sell a blanket you made out of it and sell it as a "Disney blanket" etc.&nbsp; If you want to sell Disney blankets,&nbsp; you need to fork over hundreds of thousands of dollars to Disney to get the license agreement.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; This is COMPLETELY different from making a quilt out of generic polka dot fabric.</P>
<P>Basically if I can look at your item and say "Hey,&nbsp; that's Mickey Mouse!" then it's not OK.&nbsp; Unless you are selling an official Disney item that you purchased from official sources and are reselling it,&nbsp; like I bought this Mickey doll on sale at the Disney Outlet and i'm going to turn around and sell it for full price on my Shopify store.&nbsp; THAT is ok.&nbsp;&nbsp; But you can't buy red polka dot fabric and black fabric and yellow buttons and sew up a Mickey Mouse doll and sell it.&nbsp; That is using a trademarked character for commercial use and it is definitely NOT allowed without proper licensing.&nbsp;&nbsp; You also can't buy licensed fabric (notice on the selvedge it will say something to the effect of "cannot be used for commercial purposes).&nbsp; The reason is that the license for that trademarked character/team/whatever was granted for the purpose of that fabric. Disney could have given the rights to Company B to sell Toy Story fabric,&nbsp; and Company C to have exclusive rights to make Toy Story bedding.&nbsp;&nbsp; So you can absolutely use your fabric to make bedding for your own child or for your own personal use,&nbsp; but if you sell it you're infringing on Company C's license and Disney's Trademark.&nbsp;&nbsp; Hope that makes sense.&nbsp; Seriously,&nbsp; read up on trademark/copyright law if you're going to be selling things made from other peoples work,&nbsp; it's really important. &nbsp;</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>Sun, 30 Aug 2015 13:26:17 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203949#M67037Lovely_Clementi2015-08-30T13:26:17ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203950#M67038
<P>Lea you say Etsy was horrible and shut you down however it does not seem like you've learned anything from that experience as you're still selling trademarked character designs in your store.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; So you've learned nothing from the experience and somehow it's Etsy's fault because they didn't coddle you enough.&nbsp; Obviously you were unwilling to let go of trademarked characters,&nbsp; because face it,&nbsp; they're an easy sell,&nbsp; you're selling items because people want a Stitch costume,&nbsp; not because of the quality of the costume itself.&nbsp;&nbsp; Amazon will shut you down as well,&nbsp; I am not sure why you think it is fair to profit off of someone else's work (Disney in this case).&nbsp;&nbsp; You can't just put a note that it's "inspired by Disney" and maked it OK.&nbsp; Star Wars,&nbsp; Batman etc... you can't sell items with those logos on them!&nbsp; You can't even use them as keywords.<BR />
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People please,&nbsp; learn the law,&nbsp; it is so frustrating as a creative to see pirated and non-licensed designs getting a ton of sales,&nbsp; because face it,&nbsp; they're easy sales!&nbsp; If you can get that many sales using your OWN original work then that is awesome!&nbsp; If you have the money to license someone else's work and use that to help you sell items,&nbsp; then that's completely a legit business too.&nbsp;&nbsp; But stealing will always come back to bite you in the end,&nbsp; as we can see in this thread and the multiple Etsy shops that were closed.&nbsp;<BR />
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Etsy wants to make money.&nbsp; They don't shut down shops for no good reason.&nbsp; They shut down shops that are going against their terms .&nbsp; So far the examples i've seen on this thread have all been trademark violations.&nbsp; I'm sure there are some that were shut down by mistake but not in this thread.</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>Sun, 30 Aug 2015 14:04:15 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203950#M67038Lovely_Clementi2015-08-30T14:04:15ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203951#M67039
@Lovely
I was not shut down due to copyright. I've never been in that situation with Etsy. As I stated I had a different problem with Etsy being unfair about shutting me down without proper explanation. My shop being shut down was based on a WHOLE other issue.
My response to this forum was for the question asked by Julie on the original topic of "HOW TO START OVER". Not copy right or trade mark issues which this has clearly turned into.Sun, 30 Aug 2015 14:10:10 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203951#M67039LeBrock_Blyston2015-08-30T14:10:10ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203952#M67040
<P>The problem is if you were shut down due to Trademark violations which I believe to be the case with your store and Julie's store since you both are using Trademarked or pirated items,&nbsp; then the SAME THING can happen anywhere you go.&nbsp; Except in the case with a site like Shopify,&nbsp; the copyright owners will sue you directly instead of dealing with Etsy as the middle man.&nbsp; If you keep selling the items that got you in trouble in the first place you can't expect a different result wherever you go.&nbsp; It's the unwillingness to play by the rules that I find baffling.&nbsp; Why would you want commercial success if it's not earned?&nbsp;</P>
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<P>&nbsp;</P>Sun, 30 Aug 2015 14:17:19 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203952#M67040Lovely_Clementi2015-08-30T14:17:19ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203953#M67041
That is perfectly fine if you believe that is the reason but copyright was simply not the case.
Look my suggestion was to Julie about how to handel starting over from Etsy and building traffic to earn sales. That is it. So thank you for whatever advice you have to offer.Sun, 30 Aug 2015 14:24:44 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203953#M67041LeBrock_Blyston2015-08-30T14:24:44ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203954#M67042
<P>When I've asked sellers on Etsy HOW they've gone about getting permission to sell, say Batman treat bags, or Star Wars "personalized" invitations, I either get NO response, or someone telling me the Batman logo was drawn by them as inspired by Batman. &nbsp;There are copyright laws regarding even fan art. &nbsp;If there wasn't I'd sell my son's drawings so he could save money school. &nbsp;Explaining that to someone who wanted me to MAKE Batman everything for her child's party was difficult. &nbsp;I think she thought because I COULD do it, that I WOULD. &nbsp;But, I refused. &nbsp;Apparently Etsy only shuts down companies&nbsp;when the copyright owner files a complaint. &nbsp;I find that to be a bit insane. &nbsp;Really? &nbsp;How many people has George Lucas given his Star Wars rights to? &nbsp;I highly doubt it's nearly every person selling items on Etsy. &nbsp;Personally in my situtaion I didn't want to be the person DC Comics decided to make an example of. &nbsp;Having worked for a company designing websites and coming across the EXACT website I designed&nbsp;at another URL, it was shocking and maddening. &nbsp;I err on the side of caution given I am not in the position to afford a lawyer at this time. &nbsp;So in no way do&nbsp;I defend using others works without at the minimum some acknowledement. &nbsp;However, with all the DIY sites, craft stores, etc. out there, I think it's going to become more and more difficult to police it. &nbsp;And, clearly based on my situation - people think it's OK to do these things because they see other people doing it - and no amount of explaining helped my guess - just out and out refusal to do the job.</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>Tue, 01 Sep 2015 07:49:12 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203954#M67042Michelle_McCrac2015-09-01T07:49:12ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203955#M67043
<P>I've been asked more times than I can remember to do Minecraft this or Spiderman that or My Little Pony etc.&nbsp;&nbsp; And when I say no,&nbsp; these people can find someone on Etsy that will say yes,&nbsp; it's sad.&nbsp; It's a cheap tactic to get a sale. &nbsp; I keep wishing that Etsy would close down all those shops but they don't shut down stores unless the copyright owner makes a complaint unfortunately. &nbsp;</P>Tue, 01 Sep 2015 08:06:29 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203955#M67043Lovely_Clementi2015-09-01T08:06:29ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203956#M67044
Mistake, s/b First Sale DoctrineFri, 04 Sep 2015 02:03:13 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203956#M67044TwistKnot2015-09-04T02:03:13ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203957#M67045
Mistake, s/b First Sale DoctrineFri, 04 Sep 2015 02:07:30 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203957#M67045TwistKnot2015-09-04T02:07:30ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203958#M67046
<P>The problem is that the waters are so muddied between what is copyright infringement and what isn't. &nbsp;I do fan art under the idea of parody. &nbsp;However I was shut down by Etsy for it. &nbsp;I've researched everything only to find out that anyone can claim infringement - not for images - but for trademark. &nbsp;Words in your key word search are considered trademarked even if you don't use them together as a key word. &nbsp;I had the word "The" and "rock" for a Dwayne Johnson fan art, they weren't together but because they separately were on my page I got flagged. &nbsp;It is not fair that I can't use a tag of "the" and another word "rock" and still get slammed by the WWE. &nbsp;I didn't even use any WWE images...in fact I create another entire work of art that is protected "Fair Use" Act. &nbsp;&nbsp;The old saying is the bigger they are the harder they fall, and there&nbsp;will be someone to take the reigns from Etsy (thank you Amazon for stepping up!) &nbsp;Etsy deserves to go out of business for how they treat their sellers. &nbsp;And none of us, even ones that are with Etsy now, will jump ship to the new kid on the block - Amazon Handmade (will have more traffic than Etsy could even dream about).</P>Fri, 04 Sep 2015 08:31:06 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203958#M67046Fan_art_fan2015-09-04T08:31:06ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203959#M67047
<P>Dakota,&nbsp; you would not have gotten slammed for using the keywords "the rock" if it was for instance,&nbsp; an engagement ring.&nbsp; But you were using it for Dwayne Johnson fan art,&nbsp; and you can't do that.&nbsp; Context is everything,&nbsp; it is obvious in your key words in that instance that you were referring to him and not generic rocks.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Also fan art is not fair use,&nbsp; you cannot sell your art commercially and say "well,&nbsp; it's a parody".&nbsp; That's not how fair use works.&nbsp;&nbsp; Fan art is never going to be OK to sell.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; For instance HBO has gone after a lot of the people who were making A Song of Ice and Fire fan shirts.&nbsp; And JK Rowling is very protective of anything Harry Potter.&nbsp;&nbsp; With Etsy,&nbsp; you can never tell if something is OK just because someone else is doing it.&nbsp; That only means they haven't been caught.&nbsp;&nbsp; You could make a blog post about Dwayne Johnson and put your image on it and call THAT fair use,&nbsp; because you're not using it commercially,&nbsp; it would be editorial use.&nbsp; But you can't profit from it.&nbsp;</P>
<P>Sorry but saying that Etsy deserves to go out of business because they caught you doing something you shouldn't,&nbsp; that's just sour grapes.&nbsp; You are kidding yourself if you think that Amazon will allow you to sell copyrighted material.&nbsp;&nbsp; I bet Amazon will be even more strict than Etsy,&nbsp; and then I guess you could blame them for shutting you down, again.&nbsp;</P>Fri, 04 Sep 2015 09:05:52 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203959#M67047Julie_Lalonde2015-09-04T09:05:52ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203960#M67048
<P>Julie actually fair use can be used in any new work of art as long as it exists as a new work of art having a major percentage of the work as derivative. &nbsp;It can exist&nbsp;As a piece of art that I created as a complete new work, I had every right to do so. &nbsp;How do you think Weird Al Yankvich makes his money? &nbsp;He takes the original song and videos of other artists using more than 50% of his work and 50% of the artist he is parodying work and blends them into a new work &nbsp;even though it is still copy written. &nbsp; Like "Beat It"&nbsp;was "Eat&nbsp;It"...same tune but different words....Weird Al. &nbsp;All art evolves from another artists work. &nbsp; &nbsp;As for Etsy.... It's not so much what they did to me that is upsetting, but it's how they handle their sellers as far as customer service..... Never able to get emails answered or speak to a live person....their needs to be an appeals process as well as consistency throughout and open lines of communication. &nbsp; Amazon has that and more. &nbsp;</P>
<P>Have a good evening.</P>Fri, 04 Sep 2015 16:02:29 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203960#M67048Fan_art_fan2015-09-04T16:02:29ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203961#M67049
<P>Weird Al has permission from the folks that he parodies so that's a completely different situation.&nbsp;&nbsp; Etsy will remove any listing if the copyright owner asks them to.&nbsp; They don't police it or make a judgement themselves,&nbsp; they simply act out the wishes of the copyright holder.&nbsp;&nbsp; Fair use is quite complicated and it's anyone's guess which way the courts would go,&nbsp; I would think most small business owners do not have the money to go to court against Disney etc to argue fair use.&nbsp;</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>Fri, 04 Sep 2015 16:26:42 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203961#M67049Julie_Lalonde2015-09-04T16:26:42ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203962#M67050
<P>&nbsp;....-"</P>
<P>Lovers of offbeat music and hard-core rap would probably never use the names "Weird Al Yankovic" and "2 Live Crew" in the same sentence. Yet, they have something very important in common. The law protects their use of other people's musical works. The reason is that courts consider both 2 Live Crew's rap combined with pop music riffs and Weird Al's combination of everything... to be parodies, which are protected under fair use&nbsp;doctrine.</P>
<P><STRONG>Defining Fair&nbsp;Use</STRONG></P>
<P>It is an American tradition to poke fun at, criticize and imitate cultural and political icons. However, that tradition could get you sued. There is a defense in copyright cases called "fair use." Section 107 The Copyright Act of 1976 outlines what a court has to consider when determining if something is fair&nbsp;use:</P>
<P>1) Purpose and character of the&nbsp;work</P>
<P>2) Nature of the&nbsp;work</P>
<P>3) Amount and substantiality of the portion used in new&nbsp;work</P>
<P>4) Effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted&nbsp;work</P>
<P>What this means is courts go through four steps, the first of which is to look at whether the creator of the new work did it as social commentary or financial gain. Next, they look at whether it is parody, satire, criticism and if that purpose is obvious in the content. A judge will also consider how much of the original work is included, and whether the will hurt the present or future sales of the old&nbsp;work.</P>
<P><STRONG>2 Live Crew Remixes Pretty&nbsp;Woman</STRONG></P>
<P>The leading case on fair use as it pertains to musical parody is&nbsp;<EM>Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music</EM>. It put Luther "Luke" Campbell against Roy Orbison's record label over a bawdy 2 Live Crew remake of the classic "Oh, Pretty&nbsp;Woman."</P>
<P>Campbell asked the record label for permission, but were refused. They remade the song anyway, giving credit to Orbison and the record label. The label sued, and the case made it to the Supreme Court. The Court compared the song to the original before applying the four steps. The justices decided that the 2 Live Crew version "commented on" the earlier song and seemed to criticize it. They said that part of the content, along with the original rap lyrics, parodied the Orbison song. The court reached a unanimous decision that parodies fell under the fair use defense.&nbsp;</P>
<P><STRONG>The First Amendment Could Free Weird Al's&nbsp;Speech</STRONG></P>
<P>The First Amendment is often used to defend against copyright violations. Artists argue that parody falls within the right to free speech. When analyzing this defense, courts weigh the value of the work as social criticism against it being construed as entertainment. They will also look at the interest in encouraging social debate against the copyright owner's right. If the work is more on the "entertainment" end of the spectrum, then the defense is more likely to&nbsp;fail.</P>
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<P>From Legalzoom. &nbsp;Couldn't post the rest...too long I think.</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>Fri, 04 Sep 2015 17:26:56 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203962#M67050Fan_art_fan2015-09-04T17:26:56ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203963#M67051
<P>Okay, Etsy shut you down... Something caused it, whether you feel it was your fault or not. At this moment in your life you can keep doing what got you here or change things and START OVER! If you no longer have an Etsy shop it's not the end of your business. However, if you are using Copyrighted material and keep using it no matter where you go it (the material you use, not the company/person who catches you) will shut you down. Looking for a NEW START! Then this is the site for you! Looking for another place to list your items, then this is another GREAT place to be. It's FREE to list!</P>
<P><A href="http://www.simplysouthernlegend.com/blogs/simply-southern-legend/44906180-places-to-sell-like-etsy">http://www.simplysouthernlegend.com/blogs/simply-southern-legend/44906180-places-to-sell-like-etsy</A></P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>Fri, 04 Sep 2015 22:22:12 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203963#M67051Sharon_Holliday2015-09-04T22:22:12ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203964#M67052
<P>Hello everyone.</P>
<P>If you're interested, you may have a look at the alternatives for Etsy.</P>
<P><A href="https://easyerp.com/blog/sites-like-etsy/">https://easyerp.com/blog/sites-like-etsy/</A></P>Tue, 28 Mar 2017 19:42:20 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203964#M67052Diomino2017-03-28T19:42:20ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203965#M67053
<P><A href="https://www.pickahome.com">Pickahome</A> - Same thing happened with me. Even I dont know how to start! Can u pls help me out of this!</P>Wed, 05 Apr 2017 14:35:52 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203965#M67053Pickahome2017-04-05T14:35:52ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203966#M67054
<P>I feel for you and you are one of many to have problems with etsy after being very successful on there network. This seems to be a normal problem sellers have there.</P>
<P>Best thing is to keep this positive, in selling there you did still learn things that you can take into the future on your own being independent as you really should be. Your the boss of your business, You should run your own show so to speak.</P>
<P>Yes, being on there platform you where exposed to a lot of traffic and made a lot of sales and from experience i have been there and done that.</P>
<P>You get removed and all the sudden no sales no money and your heart breaks because you, are your business.</P>
<P>So what's next the real work starts. You have to build your own traffic.</P>
<P>Remember you already have a customer data base there.</P>
<P>Good luck on the real start of your success and maybe read the power of broke by Daymond John, it comes in auto books at amazon also.</P>
<P>I will route for your success. Get Empowered!</P>
<P><A href="http://www.dirtysouthvintage.com">www.dirtysouthvintage.com</A></P>Mon, 10 Apr 2017 22:33:36 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203966#M67054Kitty_South2017-04-10T22:33:36ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203967#M67055
<P>This is all so familar to me because etsy closed my shop to for a bogus reason!</P>
<P>I not sure what I'm doing wrong or if its just a waiting game. I have had only 4 sales since my website launch. I market on instagram and facebook. I have spent way too much money on facebook and instagram ads. Before I launched my site , I had an etsy shop that was really doing well. I wanted to open my own website to generate income from both by selling more products on my shopift website. I was literally almost making a little over $2000 a week from my etsy shop. I have been on etsy for 1 year and was doing really well with traffic, instagram marketing and sells. I had my site but, it was still not gerating any income. I was sitting on my site not doing much unil I was force to reallly focus on my shopify. I always wanted my shopify, howver I was just letting it sit because all of my income was coming from etsy. Then all of a sudden in July etsy closes my shop without warning. I was so hurt because after closing my shop etsy customer service agents became rude. I was told that they can close a shop permentaly without explantation.&nbsp; They are also holding funds that was still in my shop payment account until 1/2018 which beyond ridiculous. I got so comfortable selling on etsy, helping them generate money through sales, my insagram and facebook traffic and seller fees that I was not focus on my own baby. MY SHOPIFY ACCOUNT. Its like I'm starting my business over from the ground up. After etsy I became a stay at home mommy selling my handmade accessories, jewelry and clothing. With thee success of etsy it became my only form of incom. I still sell the same items however, I branch into adding more items to my brand by incorpoaring more trendy items to my website.&nbsp; I can not market and buy instagram&nbsp; and facebook ads like I did a couple of months ago. Etsy is a much different platform so I'm still learning. I love my shopify because I'm free without being micromanage by a middle man. I;'m also not helping a huge platfrom like etsy continue to get rich off of my hard work.&nbsp; I just want my shopify to work. It will be awesome If anyone can help and tell me what more I can do for my site.</P>
<P>Thank you,</P>
<P>LINZ &lt;3</P>
<P>4everUnicornFashion.com</P>Fri, 08 Sep 2017 03:48:41 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203967#M67055Linz_B2017-09-08T03:48:41ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203968#M67056
<P>You can not start another etsy shop I have tried several times.</P>Fri, 08 Sep 2017 03:56:51 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203968#M67056Linz_B2017-09-08T03:56:51ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203969#M67057
<P>Ok i could write you a book to any and all of you that got shut down by etsy because so did I a few years ago. BEST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED TO ME!</P>
<P>I am really busy right now but my first best advice is no matter what anyone on etsy tells you, or anyone anywhere tells you, the sales you have where yours, you earned them! You go to all your sales list right now and start grabbing all those emails and keep them. I grabbed all mine and and kept them and emailed all those customers and let them know where I went! Send them right to your website with a cute little email, I did it one by one everyday till I was done and yes it kick started me off!</P>
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<P>Etsy will ban and stop anyone who does well the minute your making to much money and getting to popular, your soon to be gone! They will give you all kinds of nonsense reasons and once they have started picking on you it will never stop, even if they allow your shop back up as they did mine a few times and others. They also do pick and choose and discrimination is something they do to people.</P>
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<P>You need to move on, get independent, take your customers with you and forget ETSY! They where a great learning experience but there not your future!</P>
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<P>ETSY wants smaller sellers and they like them small there not into making you famous it's not there goal.</P>
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<P>I was making well over a 1000 a day there for many many months and then the trouble started.</P>
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<P>You can do this so get tough and get started!</P>
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<P>Think of this as a fight for your business and turn this into your business success. I will be cheering for you! All of you!</P>
<P>Please ignore and reject all negativity, you don't deserve it. If you made or make mistakes along the way that's ok it helps you grow and get better! Mistakes make you better and stronger!</P>
<P>Kitty South</P>
<P>CEO</P>
<P><A href="http://www.dirtysouthvintage.com">www.dirtysouthvintage.com</A></P>
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<P>&nbsp;</P>Fri, 08 Sep 2017 05:46:58 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203969#M67057Kitty_South2017-09-08T05:46:58ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203970#M67058
<P>Thank you kitty!!!&nbsp; Everything you stated was so very true. I needed to hear those words of encouragment. Also,The first thing I did was take all my buyer emails from etsy and sent them a marketing email. butt, I only did it once. I will commit to sending more of those more often</P>Fri, 08 Sep 2017 07:09:16 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203970#M67058Linz_B2017-09-08T07:09:16ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203971#M67059
<P>From the research that i have gathered Etsy appears to be quite something else... i remember reading about claims that it was not just Etsy involved in different types of tricky situations but moreso, some of the other shop owners too. This was used as a way of eliminating potential competitors. I am really sorry that you had to go through this.</P>Tue, 12 Sep 2017 21:49:12 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203971#M67059Mrs_smith2017-09-12T21:49:12ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203972#M67060
<P>Even I was also shut down due to copyright! Thanks for the suggestions :)</P>Wed, 21 Mar 2018 20:12:47 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/203972#M67060FTRpoker2018-03-21T20:12:47ZRe: My Shop was Shut Down by Etsy ~ How to start over??https://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/510061#M123469
<P>J'ai le même problème avec ma <A title="boutique en ligne" href="https://sitewebexperts.ca/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">boutique en ligne</A></P><P>Toujours pas de réponse?</P>Fri, 03 May 2019 03:09:28 GMThttps://community.shopify.com/c/Shopify-Discussion/My-Shop-was-Shut-Down-by-Etsy-How-to-start-over/m-p/510061#M123469shopynoname2019-05-03T03:09:28Z