On the Lyricus website James refers to teachers physical and non-physical and I wonder how we would know the non-physical ones? Multiversal posted this on the Moonz thread so I thought I would start this thread with this by the multiguy to discuss it.

Multiversal wrote:

SD , I don't believe that all channeling is decietful . It has the potential to be used that way and has . Perhaps one day on this planet in this dimension we will be able to contact and communicate with those not visible to our eyes on our own . Then it wouldn't be channeling , but more of a direct communication . I was at my Grand Father's funeral and it was my turn to pay my respects and say my final good bye to him personally . I went up to his caskette , touched his body and began crying when I realized how cold and lifeless it was . Then I heard his voice like he was standing beside me and he said , " Don't worry , I am still here , just not in my body . " I was instantly relieved and my pain vanished . It was an experience that has stayed with me to say the least . Although death is not the end by any means , it is still painful when you know that you are no longer going to see your loved one again , atleast the personality they acquired and explored the world with when you knew them .

That non-physical teachers are mentioned begs the question how would they communicate with us? I am familiar with the kind of experience that Multiversal speaks of here and have had a few myself and am not satisfied with most terms used to describe it because of how compartmentalized they are in describing something so much more unlimited, so may be we can come up with some of our own huh multiguy?

the non physical teachers (Galactic) transfer knowledge to the Incarnated physical Teachers (that they got from the Universal Teachers) ... via the Interface Zone which they are attuned to ... their messages don't come in "words" or a voice - they are "inspiration" ... when you KNOW, something you weren't conscious of knowing and had no previous experience with ... or have an "original thought" - they aren't hand delivered by "shinning ones" any more because we are more aware/conscious now than the ancient sages who were limited to the five senses ...

I have had visions, and heard voices too ... haven't we all?

when the Rising Heart paper talks about "physical teacher" they make it clear that these "teachers" are incarnate ...It stands to reason that they are Masters - transformed and whole Sovereign Entities who have returned to assist humanity because they DO take their consciousness with them - they willingly fragment their own consciousness again, to incarnate as Humans, and they begin to restore their wholeness almost immediately (around 12), without the materials, because they remember (are conscious of) how.... Once they are whole, they get their guidance/info from the galactic (LTO) teachers because they (now) resonate with the frequency of a higher dimension than the 3D - that isn't filled with static. These messages are not delivered in words or pictures that are associated in their mind with the physical world, because their "mission" extends outside of MEST.

They know, who they are, and why they are here and they do not seek "external" guidance (even from gods), because they are guided by their hearts - the Wholeness Navigator (from within) .

so.... this says to me, that if someone comes to you in a physical form - but isn't really physical ... they are phony - you either gave your desire to "see" and Angel or a guide or even God, so much energy that your MIND manifested it - your belief system "birthed" it via the GSSC ... or you have come in contact with a dis-embodied Entity who can manipulate your mind, into believing that you are seeing it ... and that it is trust worthy... because Interdimensional Beings aren't deceptive ... only Extra Terrestrials are.

James tells us in the interview with Mark H that no one sat at the foot of his bed and recited lessons to him - that he just "knew" (intuitive intelligence) what he is sharing with us ... his consciousness was not altered by incarnation, all he needed to do was to restore the systems that allowed the lower mind (that the Entity is limited to when in a fragmented state of consciousness - "natural" to BEing Human) to comprehend that level of consciousness - transform .

James also tells us that some "sub-consciously" receive communications from Wingmakers in the dream "state"(of consciousness)

If you want to communicate with the WingMakers, you simply need to apply the techniques in the Chamber Four philosophy paper and apply the principles outlined in the Chamber One philosophy. These two papers are very powerful elements in attuning to the frequency of the WingMakers. It is not that you will communicate with words, but rather you will enjoy the unmistakable presence of their consciousness. This alone is a key approach to aligning yourself to the universal objectives.

The WingMakers do the majority of their communication during the dream state because the gates of the thalamocortical system are relatively closed, and there is complete focus on the inner communication at hand. If you have willingly immersed yourself into the WingMakers' materials, you can safely assume that you are already in rapport with members of this teaching organization. You are very likely experiencing the Tributary Zones during your dream state, under the tutelage of one or more of these teachers. Open yourself to this possibility and dream it alive to your senses. A13 QA S1

some are transported to the Galactic Transition Zones ...

the vibratory rate of the Tributary Zones is purposely accelerated in order to ensure that only those entities of a compatible vibration may enter. There are members of the humanoid species, throughout the galaxy, that attend these sites in their dream state or meditation sessions. A25 QA S2

consider that this knowledge is not transferred to the HI's consciousness, but stored in the "sub" consciousness - the Entity's Consciousness

the WingMakers’ Materials in their physical format are like the shadows of a greater body of work that is contained within the Galactic Tributary Zones. Your Wholeness Navigator is aware of these because you have been to these worlds in your dream and waking state. The WingMakers’ Materials trigger this response, whether you are listening to the Chamber Music, examining the art, reading the poetry, or contemplating a philosophical stanza. However, the shift in consciousness is extremely subtle and virtually undetectable to the human instrument familiar with human conditioning. A33 QA S3

and finally this ... which may seem that "talking to WMs" or Lyricus Masters, is possible, but if you read it all you will see that only what is contained in the "seed" grows/materializes in your consciousness - the event (conversations with LTO teachers) is not transferred to the HMS ... because it was experienced by the Wholeness Navigator ... not the HI. These teachers didn't come to the Human, the WN was transported to the Teachers - the WN is not an Entity - it is the heart of the Entity.

Lyricus is able to track and monitor SECUs (Sovereign Entities of the Central Universe) no matter what physical structures they inhabit. When we judge a particular SECU is properly prepared, they (their Wholeness Navigator) are transported to one of our training centers, which is unlike any you can conceive of on Earth. I use the words “Training Center” only because I can think of nothing else to describe them. Candidates are not necessarily spiritually minded, nor are they exemplars of humanity in terms of their personality, physical body, or temperament. They are, however, advanced SECUs operating in human form, typically unconscious of their mission and purpose.

These fortunate entities are escorted from their human instrument and guided to the Tributary Zone that is best suited for their purpose and mission. They are generally taught in the form of a dialogue – not unlike the Lyricus discourses depict. They are allowed to query masters, and the masters are allowed to elucidate on relevant topics. It will come as no surprise that Einstein was one such SECU that was attended by Lyricus masters. He was allowed to formulate “his” theories through a dialogue with a single master. When he returned to his human instrument the experience and knowledge was lodged in his higher mind and a trigger was then required to draw it into consciousness.

These triggers are carefully orchestrated event strings that the master in charge of the SECU coordinates through a process we call – again, I’m translating as best I can – lucid re-orientation. This process requires that the information gained, while at the Tributary Zone, filters into the consciousness in a re-collectable state. In order for this to occur, Dr. Einstein would experience an event or EDSS (Encoded Data Sensory Stream) that induces or triggers a recollection of a seed memory. The seed memory is the most critical part of the lucid re-orientation process because it alone carries sufficient power to draw the new knowledge into the conscious state of the human mind. A6 QA S3

_________________"...to know this information and then remain passive—a pure observer—is a programmed response, and that is not an answer to how do I best serve truth? It is a denial of truth.” 5th Interview

Perhaps one day we will be able to see and communicate with beings like the one behind me naturally . Perhaps we already can , I'm just not sure how . Another thing that is interesting is just how fast the being moves(vibrates) I would have to say that it slowed itself down considerably to be seen in the picture and be photographed . I wonder if some how in the future our human instruments can be modified to exist at such a high vibratory rate ? If so it makes sense that we would be able to do many many things that we can not even imagine at this time . Is that one aspect of being a Sovereign Integral , to be able to travel and interact in all dimensions with all beings ?

Thank you Shay for giving me an opportunity to discuss this , I didn't know how to approach it before . But now I am transparent and in the open .

Perhaps one day we will be able to see and communicate with beings like the one behind me naturally . Perhaps we already can , I'm just not sure how . Another thing that is interesting is just how fast the being moves(vibrates) I would have to say that it slowed itself down considerably to be seen in the picture and be photographed . I wonder if some how in the future our human instruments can be modified to exist at such a high vibratory rate ? If so it makes sense that we would be able to do many many things that we can not even imagine at this time . Is that one aspect of being a Sovereign Integral , to be able to travel and interact in all dimensions with all beings ?

Thank you Shay for giving me an opportunity to discuss this , I didn't know how to approach it before . But now I am transparent and in the open .

I would love to hear yours and others experiences on this topic .

Mr. Mojo this is soooo cool. I see that being and thank you for verifying something I have been curious about as well. Have you checked out my orbs thread because I have a few pics there of similar beings, some call them plasma but for me they are consciousness as much as we are in these bodies. They are in a another frequency/dimension which isn't as slow as this one. And maybe it is with your feelings that they are communicating with you. The Orbs thread is under the General Topics and Discussions. Here's the link.viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1471&p=80069#p80069

You contribute greatly to this because even with the orbs they communicate with me through my feelings in particular and there are times I have this almost unbearable "lighness" of being because of our communication. The higher the frequency the more awesome the feeling. At least for me and perhaps, because I have no fear about this being so very open to it like a wise discerning child they invite me to discover their multidimensional world so intricately linked to ours, just in a different frequency.Thanx so much and I look forward to more interaction about this with you.

my question is, were you aware of its presence before you saw the picture ...(I think we were already told no)

my experience with the Orbs is that they crave attention ... they are little tricksters ... flitting about distracting you flying all around in the static all around us ...

I don't believe that anyone has ever described a wingmaker ... other than to say it is my future self ...

I just don't have any interest in communicating with anyone other than a WM (my self) ... I really have no reason to believe that any species other than human has my best interest in mind ... none what so ever.

as for that angel painting, I think I have seen that same angel in artwork on the web ... maybe not, but this one is part of WM's art too

the composite prints are just that composites blending the 3D with the translated "visions" of 4D

are angles 4D entities ? If they had a message for someone, wouldn't they just come right out and deliver it ?

the WM were mistaken for Angels in the past, they were called Shinning ones, Elohim, gods ... they delivered messages ...

maybe we've grown too dense to "receive" and that is why they hang around ?? hoping that we will listen to them ... or maybe they are some "other" extra Terrestrial, watching for a way into our world, listening for an invitation .

All I know is, my future self doesn't need an invitation - and it is not shy about delivering its messages.

_________________"...to know this information and then remain passive—a pure observer—is a programmed response, and that is not an answer to how do I best serve truth? It is a denial of truth.” 5th Interview

I know them the non physical teachers through my Heart which allows me to hear them there.............would venture the notion that this applies to All..............if Heart is not engaged....messages are just abstact channelings( from the Animus remnant ?)....not always for my greatest good.

I'm waiting for others to contribute who are informed enough about Lyricus that they can make qualified statements .In other words people who have an idea of what is discussed here because they have bothered to find out what it is.

I am waiting to see if this discussion will stay on topic are we talking about Lyricus Teachers, that come in all Species?

accord to the only LTO text I know of, which I quoted above ... the Lyricus Teachers, teach in stealth ... they have classes when the mind is distracted by dreamland ... they teach the "sub-conscious" aspects of the Entity's components ... and are "invisible" to the HI's perspectives are you suggesting that the Orbs, are Lyricus Teachers (or are they ?) which is not to say that the Lyricus Teaching Order is limited to SECUs/Wingmakers, but open to all species.- The fact that they do not need one's invitation to invade your state of consciousness, suggest to me that they are ME - timeshifted - it makes sense to me that I would trust my self beyond the shadow of a doubt and be open to any assistence... and appreciate its unlimited ability to transfer knowledge to the Soul (entity consciousness) without the HIs mind being aware of it (fantastic, no interruptions or distractions) .

It seems to me that you are talking about "visible" beings that have approached you (you have become aware of) and who you are in communication with in our environment (not the GTZs) in perhaps an altered state of consciousness that you will yourself to be in (meditation,. Beta state)

it is not a new concept - "when the student is ready, the teacher will come" but according to James, the LTO whisk your heart (WN) away to a "training center" where knowledge is transferred to you by Lyricus teachers directly to your soul ... it becomes part of the Entity's consciousness to be experienced - and integrated into the HIs consciousness via this experience because Your heart, the Wholeness Navigator,and the heart of the Entities consciousness, will pass this data to the mind with such authenticity that it will not fail to express it into MEST - without the student's mind being consciously aware of where this knowledge came from- the mind will recognize the frequency it is transmitted on.

just as Multiversal is suggesting, it comes to your mind, via the heart of the Entity.

I wouldn't trust anyone to modify me (even subconsciously) ... but myself - we've seen the results of the HMS that has a program (GMS) to recreate humanity, with mechanical enhancements... and we've seen what ETs do when they intervene with their own agendas and pretend to be "guides".

These Lyricus Teachers (non physical) transfer knowledge to us to experience/express as personal wisdom - given to them from the Central Sun's Teachers of Light who are invisible too (according to the Rising Heart paper )

I am talking about Lyricus teacher ... based upon the Rising Heart Paper ... and how I perceived their "teaching" based on Answers from James I have no recollection of communication from them ... by design - but I know when one of the seeds is producing inspiration

what are you talking about?

_________________"...to know this information and then remain passive—a pure observer—is a programmed response, and that is not an answer to how do I best serve truth? It is a denial of truth.” 5th Interview

More of the informed of the positive quadrant are coming and I wait for them to contribute, easily, effortlessly and positively. They are most welcome here. Don't get caught in the undertow...oh...yes...maybe you need to get caught there...

And to think Jeshua ben Joseph is one of the non physical master teachers.There is a rumor circulating in some of the more esoteric circles that he and a few other dudes took their bodies with them when they ascended. I wonder how they did that?. I know why they would of. The practice of the Six Heart Virtues is a gold mine in preparation alone for these crazy times we live in and not always easy to apply but may be all that's left to some for the uncertainty that lays at their feet. However, its a choice.

Russell I don't think I would want Ironman to show his feelings to me we already have enough violence here of the verbal written kind and did you know that in the Lyricus wesite it states that a planet cannot use violence as a means of solving conflict or disagreements if it wants to become a part of the galactic community? That means verbal and written violence as well which includes sarcasm(seething anger based), backhanded comments written one way but its intent is meant to maim or hurt another emotionally through the provocation of negative reactions and anything said to diminish or discredit the essential goodness displayed of a person who openly and trustingly expresses themselves sincerely and honestly like a child and some people do like to rip that innocence apart for their lose of it so far back they don't remember.And that requires our compassion and understanding, however, none of what I just said is based on mutual respect or cooperation nor having evolved past it as a means to deal with things on a planetary scale so there is no hope in hell that a galactic community would want to babysit such brats. So we have the Central Sun and its awesome cosmic energy blowing through us(literally) to wake us up and open up like a flower in receiver ship if not a bath to get rid of the debris accumulated from these last experimental eons we are at the tailend of now. So we do have a lot on our plates and best we get on with doing what we need to to accommodate the planet and each other in these shifting and unpredictable times with only the heart being stable enough for the tremendous love there(we all hold), that we can tap into to help each other and the planet transition on through and maybe with a grin? Whatta ya think?

alright already...how about a good laugh?

nice teeth and look at the guy on the right what a happy camper huh? But now he has "permission" if ya get my meaning.

Quite lovely and exactly what I needed to see in this moment and thank you Russell , just another thing to appreciate you for , gladly. I just finished watching this now a while after posting my singing heart pic not having seen this yet. Its cool to see how in sync we can be with Light hearts. I like our dance.

_________________"...to know this information and then remain passive—a pure observer—is a programmed response, and that is not an answer to how do I best serve truth? It is a denial of truth.” 5th Interview

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