this latest s/h windows xp professional hp desktop doesn't auto install anyof my various wi fi usb dongles that auto instal in all my other machines... am I missing a setting to be changed?........ keyboard and mice plug andplay but not any wifi dongles...... I have had to install drivers off adiscs for my old belkin g to get on wi fi.......time for all youprofessiopnals to have a laugh but I don't care.......

Post by Jim GM4DHJ ...this latest s/h windows xp professional hp desktop doesn't auto install anyof my various wi fi usb dongles that auto instal in all my other machines... am I missing a setting to be changed?........ keyboard and mice plug andplay but not any wifi dongles...... I have had to install drivers off adiscs for my old belkin g to get on wi fi.......time for all youprofessiopnals to have a laugh but I don't care.......

When you got the 'new' machine, was the XP installed or did you install it?

Post by Jim GM4DHJ ...this latest s/h windows xp professional hp desktop doesn't auto install anyof my various wi fi usb dongles that auto instal in all my other machines... am I missing a setting to be changed?........ keyboard and mice plug andplay but not any wifi dongles...... I have had to install drivers off adiscs for my old belkin g to get on wi fi.......time for all youprofessiopnals to have a laugh but I don't care.......

When you got the 'new' machine, was the XP installed or did you install it?

it was installed ....xp professional but dongles won't auto install...beenusing those cheap generic chinese usb £1 jobs and openbox units and theywork on all the win 7 10 and xp desktops I have wihout having to downloadsoftware or use a disc.......any help with some setting I have missed wouldbe nice.....

Post by Jim GM4DHJ ...this latest s/h windows xp professional hp desktop doesn't auto install anyof my various wi fi usb dongles that auto instal in all my other machines... am I missing a setting to be changed?........ keyboard and mice plug andplay but not any wifi dongles...... I have had to install drivers off adiscs for my old belkin g to get on wi fi.......time for all youprofessiopnals to have a laugh but I don't care.......

When you got the 'new' machine, was the XP installed or did you install it?

it was installed ....xp professional but dongles won't auto install...beenusing those cheap generic chinese usb £1 jobs and openbox units and theywork on all the win 7 10 and xp desktops I have wihout having to downloadsoftware or use a disc.......any help with some setting I have missed wouldbe nice.....

Ok.

That makes it a bit less certain but....

Depending when the install of XP was done, ie if is an 'old' install andhas all the updates etc, from MS, then like some of yours probably have,then it could well be expected to have the driver.

However, if it was installed 'recently' (which is why I asked if you didit) it may not have all the updates and therefore some newer drivers maybe missing. If the supplier did a fresh install before sending it out,chances are he couldn't do all the updates.

Your other machines, that you've had awhile, you kept current- at leastuntil support stopped and they have the driver you need.

The drivers for the other items that do work are either 'old' orstandard and in the original XP so they install OK.

Win 7, 10 etc are still current and either get regular updates and canstill download drivers from MS etc.

Post by Jim GM4DHJ ...this latest s/h windows xp professional hp desktop doesn't auto install anyof my various wi fi usb dongles that auto instal in all my other machines... am I missing a setting to be changed?........ keyboard and miceplugandplay but not any wifi dongles...... I have had to install drivers off adiscs for my old belkin g to get on wi fi.......time for all youprofessiopnals to have a laugh but I don't care.......

When you got the 'new' machine, was the XP installed or did you install it?

it was installed ....xp professional but dongles won't autoinstall...beenusing those cheap generic chinese usb £1 jobs and openbox units and theywork on all the win 7 10 and xp desktops I have wihout having to downloadsoftware or use a disc.......any help with some setting I have missed wouldbe nice.....

Ok.That makes it a bit less certain but....Depending when the install of XP was done, ie if is an 'old' install andhas all the updates etc, from MS, then like some of yours probably have,then it could well be expected to have the driver.However, if it was installed 'recently' (which is why I asked if you didit) it may not have all the updates and therefore some newer drivers maybe missing. If the supplier did a fresh install before sending it out,chances are he couldn't do all the updates.Your other machines, that you've had awhile, you kept current- at leastuntil support stopped and they have the driver you need.The drivers for the other items that do work are either 'old' or standardand in the original XP so they install OK.Win 7, 10 etc are still current and either get regular updates and canstill download drivers from MS etc.Does that make sense?

yes great thanks.....all the other s/h refurbished machines must have, asyou say must have had all the drivers for all my various dongles......I nowunderstand .....just thought this one might have had them too.....it camewith service pack 3 and it has done about 120 updates since I installed itusing the ethernet connection...OK won't worry about it then just thoughtthere might have been a setting to change couldn't find any....... I willjust use dongles that come with discs or that I know where to downloaddrivers from in future just for this machine......thanks

Post by Jim GM4DHJ ...this latest s/h windows xp professional hp desktop doesn't auto install anyof my various wi fi usb dongles that auto instal in all my other machines... am I missing a setting to be changed?........ keyboard and miceplugandplay but not any wifi dongles...... I have had to install drivers off adiscs for my old belkin g to get on wi fi.......time for all youprofessiopnals to have a laugh but I don't care.......

When you got the 'new' machine, was the XP installed or did you install it?

it was installed ....xp professional but dongles won't autoinstall...beenusing those cheap generic chinese usb £1 jobs and openbox units and theywork on all the win 7 10 and xp desktops I have wihout having to downloadsoftware or use a disc.......any help with some setting I have missed wouldbe nice.....

Ok.That makes it a bit less certain but....Depending when the install of XP was done, ie if is an 'old' install andhas all the updates etc, from MS, then like some of yours probably have,then it could well be expected to have the driver.However, if it was installed 'recently' (which is why I asked if you didit) it may not have all the updates and therefore some newer drivers maybe missing. If the supplier did a fresh install before sending it out,chances are he couldn't do all the updates.Your other machines, that you've had awhile, you kept current- at leastuntil support stopped and they have the driver you need.The drivers for the other items that do work are either 'old' or standardand in the original XP so they install OK.Win 7, 10 etc are still current and either get regular updates and canstill download drivers from MS etc.Does that make sense?

yes great thanks.....all the other s/h refurbished machines must have, asyou say must have had all the drivers for all my various dongles......I nowunderstand .....just thought this one might have had them too.....it camewith service pack 3 and it has done about 120 updates since I installed itusing the ethernet connection...OK won't worry about it then just thoughtthere might have been a setting to change couldn't find any....... I willjust use dongles that come with discs or that I know where to downloaddrivers from in future just for this machine......thanks

No problem.

The service packs are, or were, available either to download or on disksso, if you have them, you can at least get a 'new' install up to thatlevel. The problem is other updates.

To be honest, I'm no sure if MS are actually doing any updates. I heardthey did do some after the 'end date' but, not using Windows XP anymore,or even Windows, I haven't tried. Perhaps someone else who still usesWindows XP knows.

For an 'old' HP machine, the onboard stuff should all be in XP, I'd be abit surprised if much wasn't- at least to get it working basically. Ihave several old HP DC series machines I run Linux on, they are goodboxes. Only 'niggle' is that they don't use standard motherboards etcso, you can't reuse major parts.

Post by Jim GM4DHJ ...this latest s/h windows xp professional hp desktop doesn't autoinstallanyof my various wi fi usb dongles that auto instal in all my other machines... am I missing a setting to be changed?........ keyboard and miceplugandplay but not any wifi dongles...... I have had to install drivers off adiscs for my old belkin g to get on wi fi.......time for all youprofessiopnals to have a laugh but I don't care.......

When you got the 'new' machine, was the XP installed or did youinstallit?

it was installed ....xp professional but dongles won't autoinstall...beenusing those cheap generic chinese usb £1 jobs and openbox units and theywork on all the win 7 10 and xp desktops I have wihout having to downloadsoftware or use a disc.......any help with some setting I have missed wouldbe nice.....

Ok.That makes it a bit less certain but....Depending when the install of XP was done, ie if is an 'old' install andhas all the updates etc, from MS, then like some of yours probably have,then it could well be expected to have the driver.However, if it was installed 'recently' (which is why I asked if you didit) it may not have all the updates and therefore some newer drivers maybe missing. If the supplier did a fresh install before sending it out,chances are he couldn't do all the updates.Your other machines, that you've had awhile, you kept current- at leastuntil support stopped and they have the driver you need.The drivers for the other items that do work are either 'old' or standardand in the original XP so they install OK.Win 7, 10 etc are still current and either get regular updates and canstill download drivers from MS etc.Does that make sense?

yes great thanks.....all the other s/h refurbished machines must have, asyou say must have had all the drivers for all my various dongles......I nowunderstand .....just thought this one might have had them too.....it camewith service pack 3 and it has done about 120 updates since I installed itusing the ethernet connection...OK won't worry about it then just thoughtthere might have been a setting to change couldn't find any....... I willjust use dongles that come with discs or that I know where to downloaddrivers from in future just for this machine......thanks

No problem.The service packs are, or were, available either to download or on disksso, if you have them, you can at least get a 'new' install up to thatlevel. The problem is other updates.To be honest, I'm no sure if MS are actually doing any updates. I heardthey did do some after the 'end date' but, not using Windows XP anymore,or even Windows, I haven't tried. Perhaps someone else who still usesWindows XP knows.

yes they did some after that date but not seen any recently on the othermachines.... there were a load the other day as I say for my latest xpdesktop as they obviously just send it out with A new copy of XP SP3...sorry I love xp and only tolerate 7 and 10...but there you go I have nointerst in computers but I like what I know......

Thanks for the answer....I was waiting for FMF to call me stupid again...tee hee

Post by Jim GM4DHJ ...this latest s/h windows xp professional hp desktop doesn't autoinstallanyof my various wi fi usb dongles that auto instal in all my other machines... am I missing a setting to be changed?........ keyboard and miceplugandplay but not any wifi dongles...... I have had to install drivers off adiscs for my old belkin g to get on wi fi.......time for all youprofessiopnals to have a laugh but I don't care.......

When you got the 'new' machine, was the XP installed or did youinstallit?

it was installed ....xp professional but dongles won't auto install...beenusing those cheap generic chinese usb £1 jobs and openbox units and theywork on all the win 7 10 and xp desktops I have wihout having to downloadsoftware or use a disc.......any help with some setting I have missed wouldbe nice.....

Ok.That makes it a bit less certain but....Depending when the install of XP was done, ie if is an 'old' install andhas all the updates etc, from MS, then like some of yours probably have,then it could well be expected to have the driver.However, if it was installed 'recently' (which is why I asked if you didit) it may not have all the updates and therefore some newer drivers maybe missing. If the supplier did a fresh install before sending it out,chances are he couldn't do all the updates.Your other machines, that you've had awhile, you kept current- at leastuntil support stopped and they have the driver you need.The drivers for the other items that do work are either 'old' or standardand in the original XP so they install OK.Win 7, 10 etc are still current and either get regular updates and canstill download drivers from MS etc.Does that make sense?

yes great thanks.....all the other s/h refurbished machines must have, asyou say must have had all the drivers for all my various dongles......I nowunderstand .....just thought this one might have had them too.....it camewith service pack 3 and it has done about 120 updates since I installed itusing the ethernet connection...OK won't worry about it then just thoughtthere might have been a setting to change couldn't find any....... I willjust use dongles that come with discs or that I know where to downloaddrivers from in future just for this machine......thanks

No problem.The service packs are, or were, available either to download or on disksso, if you have them, you can at least get a 'new' install up to thatlevel. The problem is other updates.To be honest, I'm no sure if MS are actually doing any updates. I heardthey did do some after the 'end date' but, not using Windows XP anymore,or even Windows, I haven't tried. Perhaps someone else who still usesWindows XP knows.

yes they did some after that date but not seen any recently on the othermachines.... there were a load the other day as I say for my latest xpdesktop as they obviously just send it out with A new copy of XP SP3...sorry I love xp and only tolerate 7 and 10...but there you go I have nointerst in computers but I like what I know......

Post by Jim GM4DHJ ...this latest s/h windows xp professional hp desktop doesn't autoinstallanyof my various wi fi usb dongles that auto instal in all my other machines... am I missing a setting to be changed?........ keyboard and miceplugandplay but not any wifi dongles...... I have had to install driversoffadiscs for my old belkin g to get on wi fi.......time for all youprofessiopnals to have a laugh but I don't care.......

When you got the 'new' machine, was the XP installed or did youinstallit?

it was installed ....xp professional but dongles won't auto install...beenusing those cheap generic chinese usb £1 jobs and openbox units and theywork on all the win 7 10 and xp desktops I have wihout having to downloadsoftware or use a disc.......any help with some setting I have missed wouldbe nice.....

Ok.That makes it a bit less certain but....Depending when the install of XP was done, ie if is an 'old' install andhas all the updates etc, from MS, then like some of yours probably have,then it could well be expected to have the driver.However, if it was installed 'recently' (which is why I asked if you didit) it may not have all the updates and therefore some newer drivers maybe missing. If the supplier did a fresh install before sending it out,chances are he couldn't do all the updates.Your other machines, that you've had awhile, you kept current- at leastuntil support stopped and they have the driver you need.The drivers for the other items that do work are either 'old' or standardand in the original XP so they install OK.Win 7, 10 etc are still current and either get regular updates and canstill download drivers from MS etc.Does that make sense?

yes great thanks.....all the other s/h refurbished machines must have, asyou say must have had all the drivers for all my various dongles......I nowunderstand .....just thought this one might have had them too.....it camewith service pack 3 and it has done about 120 updates since I installed itusing the ethernet connection...OK won't worry about it then just thoughtthere might have been a setting to change couldn't find any....... I willjust use dongles that come with discs or that I know where to downloaddrivers from in future just for this machine......thanks

No problem.The service packs are, or were, available either to download or on disksso, if you have them, you can at least get a 'new' install up to thatlevel. The problem is other updates.To be honest, I'm no sure if MS are actually doing any updates. I heardthey did do some after the 'end date' but, not using Windows XP anymore,or even Windows, I haven't tried. Perhaps someone else who still usesWindows XP knows.

yes they did some after that date but not seen any recently on the othermachines.... there were a load the other day as I say for my latest xpdesktop as they obviously just send it out with A new copy of XP SP3...sorry I love xp and only tolerate 7 and 10...but there you go I have nointerst in computers but I like what I know......

Post by Brian ReayTo be honest, I'm no sure if MS are actually doing any updates. Iheard they did do some after the 'end date' but, not using WindowsXP anymore, or even Windows, I haven't tried. Perhaps someone elsewho still uses Windows XP knows.

There's a registry hack which allows you to keep getting the updates forXP embedded, which helps.

Unfortunately, stuff like Chrome, Firefox etc are dropping support nowtoo.

I still have an XP box to run something VERY old in a DOS mode, but it'sairgapped from the real internet.

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Post by Brian ReayTo be honest, I'm no sure if MS are actually doing any updates. Iheard they did do some after the 'end date' but, not using WindowsXP anymore, or even Windows, I haven't tried. Perhaps someone elsewho still uses Windows XP knows.

There's a registry hack which allows you to keep getting the updates forXP embedded, which helps.Unfortunately, stuff like Chrome, Firefox etc are dropping support nowtoo.I still have an XP box to run something VERY old in a DOS mode, but it'sairgapped from the real internet.

Airgapping didn't protect the Iranians from Stuxnet. There are otherroutes for malware but I'm sure you are well aware of that.

Post by Brian ReayTo be honest, I'm no sure if MS are actually doing any updates. Iheard they did do some after the 'end date' but, not using WindowsXP anymore, or even Windows, I haven't tried. Perhaps someone elsewho still uses Windows XP knows.

There's a registry hack which allows you to keep getting the updates forXP embedded, which helps.Unfortunately, stuff like Chrome, Firefox etc are dropping support nowtoo.I still have an XP box to run something VERY old in a DOS mode, but it'sairgapped from the real internet.

Airgapping didn't protect the Iranians from Stuxnet. There are otherroutes for malware but I'm sure you are well aware of that.

From the point of view of its purpose, Stuxnet ( and itsderivatives) were really very clever. Right down to their ' selfdestruct' feature which, perhaps, is indicative that the creatorswere after limited targets.

Air gaps are far from the secure barrier to 'infection' somebelieve. If anything, they can allow the unwary to neglect basicsecurity. Then, there are those who aren't up to date withcurrent OS disk encryption .

Post by Brian ReayFrom the point of view of its purpose, Stuxnet ( and itsderivatives) were really very clever. Right down to their ' selfdestruct' feature which, perhaps, is indicative that the creatorswere after limited targets.

Stuxnet went after particular pieces of a firm's control software; it'sself-destruct feature wasn't linked to that restriction.

Post by Brian ReayAir gaps are far from the secure barrier to 'infection' somebelieve. If anything, they can allow the unwary to neglect basicsecurity. Then, there are those who aren't up to date withcurrent OS disk encryption .

There's plenty of Class Bs about who never got up to date with CWencryption. It's still the most popular mode on the HF bands.--Spike

"RSGBTech is meant for everyone", or so the RSGB says. The group ismoderated 'toensure that the questions are on topic', but the group's own admissionspolicy mention(a pre-) 'vet', 'known', 'trouble', and 'maker', but not the vettingpolicy! None of these arementioned in the RSGB's Guidelines, which they claim the group shouldfollow.

Post by Brian ReayAir gaps are far from the secure barrier to 'infection' somebelieve. If anything, they can allow the unwary to neglect basicsecurity. Then, there are those who aren't up to date withcurrent OS disk encryption .

Yes, and there are those who aren't up to date with current RIPA law,despite it having been all over the news for years.

Making up "daily mail" stories doesn't stop it being stalking, you dumbcripple.

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Post by Brian ReayAir gaps are far from the secure barrier to 'infection' somebelieve. If anything, they can allow the unwary to neglect basicsecurity. Then, there are those who aren't up to date withcurrent OS disk encryption .

Yes, and there are those who aren't up to date with current RIPA law,despite it having been all over the news for years.Making up "daily mail" stories doesn't stop it being stalking, you dumbcripple.

Tell us about that imaginary hearing in Sept again.

This seems to be a right hassle for you to prove. ;-)

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It's not my imaginary hearing - it's listed in the paperwork you areabjectly failing to beat me over the head with.

Isn't it amazing though that while you are attacking me on that basishere, someone else is trying very hard to avoid admitting being fired asa Company Secretary of the company she is attacking in the place youfound the links.

Almost as if you were working together.

Now you may be retired, but if she is posting lies and libel from heremployer, that puts them in the frame too.

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It's not my imaginary hearing - it's listed in the paperwork you areabjectly failing to beat me over the head with.

You are still bluffing. There was no hearing in Sept. It just didn't happen.

Post by Paul CumminsIsn't it amazing though that while you are attacking me on that basishere, someone else is trying very hard to avoid admitting being fired asa Company Secretary of the company she is attacking in the place youfound the links.Almost as if you were working together.Now you may be retired, but if she is posting lies and libel from heremployer, that puts them in the frame too.

Post by Brian ReayAir gaps are far from the secure barrier to 'infection' somebelieve. If anything, they can allow the unwary to neglect basicsecurity. Then, there are those who aren't up to date withcurrent OS disk encryption .

Yes, and there are those who aren't up to date with current RIPA law,despite it having been all over the news for years.Making up "daily mail" stories doesn't stop it being stalking,

Yes, the subtle but distinctive burns he's getting over in ulm aresomething to behold.--Spike

"RSGBTech is meant for everyone", or so the RSGB says. The group ismoderated 'toensure that the questions are on topic', but the group's own admissionspolicy mention(a pre-) 'vet', 'known', 'trouble', and 'maker', but not the vettingpolicy! None of these arementioned in the RSGB's Guidelines, which they claim the group shouldfollow.

Post by Brian ReayAir gaps are far from the secure barrier to 'infection' some believe. If anything, they can allow the unwary to neglect basic security. Then, there are those who aren't up to date with current OS disk encryption .

Yes, and there are those who aren't up to date with current RIPA law,despite it having been all over the news for years.Making up "daily mail" stories doesn't stop it being stalking,

Yes, the subtle but distinctive burns he's getting over in ulm aresomething to behold.

I've just seen he's been burned twice in one reply!--Spike

"RSGBTech is meant for everyone", or so the RSGB says. The group ismoderated 'toensure that the questions are on topic', but the group's own admissionspolicy mention(a pre-) 'vet', 'known', 'trouble', and 'maker', but not the vettingpolicy! None of these arementioned in the RSGB's Guidelines, which they claim the group shouldfollow.

Post by Jim GM4DHJ ...this latest s/h windows xp professional hp desktop doesn't auto install anyof my various wi fi usb dongles that auto instal in all my other machines... am I missing a setting to be changed?........ keyboard and mice plug andplay but not any wifi dongles...... I have had to install drivers off adiscs for my old belkin g to get on wi fi.......time for all youprofessiopnals to have a laugh but I don't care.......

I'm still running XP on the shack computer (ancient skip-weaselledDell) with wifi . I just use it for logging and MGM modes.

It is a Belkin card and I had to download drivers as I got the card S/Hfor a £1. Autoupdate rarely works on XP these days,if at all so you haveto do it the hard way.

Post by Jim GM4DHJ ...this latest s/h windows xp professional hp desktop doesn't auto install anyof my various wi fi usb dongles that auto instal in all my other machines... am I missing a setting to be changed?........ keyboard and mice plug andplay but not any wifi dongles...... I have had to install drivers off adiscs for my old belkin g to get on wi fi.......time for all youprofessiopnals to have a laugh but I don't care.......

I'm still running XP on the shack computer (ancient skip-weaselled Dell)with wifi . I just use it for logging and MGM modes.It is a Belkin card and I had to download drivers as I got the card S/Hfor a £1. Autoupdate rarely works on XP these days,if at all so you haveto do it the hard way.Brian

I also found an old belkin card with disk I used inside my windoze 95desktop then I found a couple of g dongles with no disc so I downloaded thedrivers through Ethernet....first time an xp computer of mine then thathasn't downloaded all the drivers for my other makes of dongle wi fiunits...wonder what else it hasn't downloaded ? .........I think the deathof xp has been exaggerated and it will live for ever! .......

Post by Aeolus 14 Umbra..wonder what else it hasn't downloaded ? ........going to try a camera now bet it doesn't work ......

woo hoo ...plug and play...yeeeees

There is an example of driver problems I've seen in Linux (NOT acriticism of Linux).

I have a couple of old, cheap, webcams. I forget the make but theyalways worked fine with Windows and even Mac.

Linux, not a hope. I found that they were both listed as not havingdrivers / being supported. Probably the manufacturer hadn't released thedata so a driver could be written- a lot of drivers etc are developed byvolunteers but they need data.

No big deal, I have another camera which is supported etc but, someoneinstalling Linux for the first time, not knowing the ropes, etc wouldjust see his unsupported camera didn't work and blame Linux. Playingdevils advocate, I can see why but as a Linux fan, I find it annoying.

I know you don't want to get involved with Linux but it really is a goodway to reuse old hardware, which is always fun.

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Post by Aeolus 14 Umbra..wonder what else it hasn't downloaded ? ........going to try a camera now bet it doesn't work ......

woo hoo ...plug and play...yeeeees

There is an example of driver problems I've seen in Linux (NOT acriticism of Linux).I have a couple of old, cheap, webcams. I forget the make but theyalways worked fine with Windows and even Mac.Linux, not a hope. I found that they were both listed as not havingdrivers / being supported. Probably the manufacturer hadn't released thedata so a driver could be written- a lot of drivers etc are developed byvolunteers but they need data.No big deal, I have another camera which is supported etc but, someoneinstalling Linux for the first time, not knowing the ropes, etc wouldjust see his unsupported camera didn't work and blame Linux. Playingdevils advocate, I can see why but as a Linux fan, I find it annoying.I know you don't want to get involved with Linux but it really is a goodway to reuse old hardware, which is always fun.

Post by Jim GM4DHJ ...this latest s/h windows xp professional hp desktop doesn't auto install anyof my various wi fi usb dongles that auto instal in all my other machines... am I missing a setting to be changed?........ keyboard and mice plug andplay but not any wifi dongles...... I have had to install drivers off adiscs for my old belkin g to get on wi fi.......time for all youprofessiopnals to have a laugh but I don't care.......

I'm still running XP on the shack computer (ancient skip-weaselled Dell)with wifi . I just use it for logging and MGM modes.It is a Belkin card and I had to download drivers as I got the card S/Hfor a £1. Autoupdate rarely works on XP these days,if at all so you haveto do it the hard way.Brian

I also found an old belkin card with disk I used inside my windoze 95desktop then I found a couple of g dongles with no disc so I downloaded thedrivers through Ethernet....first time an xp computer of mine then thathasn't downloaded all the drivers for my other makes of dongle wi fiunits...wonder what else it hasn't downloaded ? .........I think the deathof xp has been exaggerated and it will live for ever! .......

Depends what you want to do.

I still have a DOS machine I use for some legacy stuff. True, I can dueit under Linux (well in a DOS environment inside Linux) but the oldAmstrad laptop does the job when I need it to. Unless the hardwarefails, it should go for years. The data entry is never via media, nonetwork connection etc, just a keyboard. Not even a mouse.

You will hit problems like browser compatibility. Chrome 16 bit forLinux has already been dropped as regards updates. If it hasn't happenedalready, the older Windows versions can't be far behind. I expect otherbrowsers will be similar.

Hopefully your hardware won't fail or, at least, you can get s/hreplacements which are XP compatible, but newer stuff won't have driversetc.

Virus problems are, of course, a risk. Not using Windows I don't followthe current trend in protection software but I'd be surprised if theycontinue to support XP for much longer, assuming they still are.

I'm not trying to convince you that Win 10 is the way ahead, it isterrible in my view. Ditto Win 8. I think you have Win 7 and you willhave your own views on it.

Like you, I quite liked XP- at least as far as Windows goes. I wasgenerally forced to use Windows for admin work while working- bothteaching and engineering- and used it at home in addition to Linux forcompatibility. Plus, the family used to use Windows, thankfully nolonger, and it made things easier to have Windows.

Of course, for 'every day use', Windows is generally fine. With the bestwill in the world, it is relatively recently that Linux has become adoddle to set up for those who don't know anything other than absolutebasics. Heresy to some but I say it as a firm Linux supporter. Part ofthe problem can be issues with drivers which is more to do with 3rdparties than any core Linux issue. MS have used their market positionand HW suppliers produce drivers or the data so MS can for Windows.Linux doesn't always enjoy the same situation.

Apple, of course, control the HW and SW- one reason their thingsintegrate so well. In fact, boringly so at times if you like to tinker ;-)

Android, while good (I'm impressed with a new phone) suffers some of theproblems you see with Windows. The OS doesn't always work quite the samewith all HW. I'm seeing a problem like this which, looking around theinternet, seems quite common with the app in question. Fine on somephones, not others, same version of Android etc.

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Post by Jim GM4DHJ ...this latest s/h windows xp professional hp desktop doesn't auto install anyof my various wi fi usb dongles that auto instal in all my other machines... am I missing a setting to be changed?........ keyboard and miceplugandplay but not any wifi dongles...... I have had to install drivers off adiscs for my old belkin g to get on wi fi.......time for all youprofessiopnals to have a laugh but I don't care.......

I'm still running XP on the shack computer (ancient skip-weaselled Dell)with wifi . I just use it for logging and MGM modes.It is a Belkin card and I had to download drivers as I got the card S/Hfor a £1. Autoupdate rarely works on XP these days,if at all so you haveto do it the hard way.Brian

I also found an old belkin card with disk I used inside my windoze 95desktop then I found a couple of g dongles with no disc so I downloaded thedrivers through Ethernet....first time an xp computer of mine then thathasn't downloaded all the drivers for my other makes of dongle wi fiunits...wonder what else it hasn't downloaded ? .........I think the deathof xp has been exaggerated and it will live for ever! .......

Depends what you want to do.

work...tee hee

Post by Brian ReayI still have a DOS machine I use for some legacy stuff. True, I can due itunder Linux (well in a DOS environment inside Linux) but the old Amstradlaptop does the job when I need it to. Unless the hardware fails, itshould go for years. The data entry is never via media, no networkconnection etc, just a keyboard. Not even a mouse.You will hit problems like browser compatibility. Chrome 16 bit for Linuxhas already been dropped as regards updates. If it hasn't happenedalready, the older Windows versions can't be far behind. I expect otherbrowsers will be similar.Hopefully your hardware won't fail or, at least, you can get s/hreplacements which are XP compatible, but newer stuff won't have driversetc.Virus problems are, of course, a risk. Not using Windows I don't followthe current trend in protection software but I'd be surprised if theycontinue to support XP for much longer, assuming they still are.

ms defender still works on my xp machines.......and updates

Post by Brian ReayI'm not trying to convince you that Win 10 is the way ahead, it isterrible in my view. Ditto Win 8. I think you have Win 7 and you willhave your own views on it.

can just about tolerate windoze 10 but I had to sell that 8.2laptop...should have kept it but I didn't know 10 was coming.......

Post by Brian ReayLike you, I quite liked XP- at least as far as Windows goes. I wasgenerally forced to use Windows for admin work while working- bothteaching and engineering- and used it at home in addition to Linux forcompatibility. Plus, the family used to use Windows, thankfully no longer,and it made things easier to have Windows.Of course, for 'every day use', Windows is generally fine. With the bestwill in the world, it is relatively recently that Linux has become adoddle to set up for those who don't know anything other than absolutebasics. Heresy to some but I say it as a firm Linux supporter. Part of theproblem can be issues with drivers which is more to do with 3rd partiesthan any core Linux issue. MS have used their market position and HWsuppliers produce drivers or the data so MS can for Windows. Linux doesn'talways enjoy the same situation.Apple, of course, control the HW and SW- one reason their things integrateso well. In fact, boringly so at times if you like to tinker ;-)

disllike apple for that reason....

Post by Brian ReayAndroid, while good (I'm impressed with a new phone) suffers some of theproblems you see with Windows. The OS doesn't always work quite the samewith all HW. I'm seeing a problem like this which, looking around theinternet, seems quite common with the app in question. Fine on somephones, not others, same version of Android etc.

wife loves her note 4 over her iphone...but I can't stand touch screens...

interesting.........I still say modern technology is squandering the worldsresources...but then again silica is abundant.........

Post by Brian ReayYou will hit problems like browser compatibility. Chrome 16 bit forLinux has already been dropped as regards updates. If it hasn't happenedalready, the older Windows versions can't be far behind. I expect otherbrowsers will be similar.

16-bit browser for a 32 or 64 bit OS? I had a 16-bit Opera for Windows3.11 that worked better than Netscape and IE.

Post by Brian ReayYou will hit problems like browser compatibility. Chrome 16 bit forLinux has already been dropped as regards updates. If it hasn'thappened already, the older Windows versions can't be far behind. Iexpect other browsers will be similar.

16-bit browser for a 32 or 64 bit OS? I had a 16-bit Opera for Windows3.11 that worked better than Netscape and IE.

Of course, silly error, I should have said 32 bit, but they did dropsupport for 32 bit Linux some time back. I assume they've dropped, orwill some do so. for XP et al.

Opera was good, as you say. Not used it recently.

Netscape- that brings back memories.

I saw 3.11 somewhere recently- I suspect YouTube and GEM (the oldAmstrad version), again I think on YouTube. Very dated but both seemedgood at the time.

Post by Brian ReayYou will hit problems like browser compatibility. Chrome 16 bit forLinux has already been dropped as regards updates. If it hasn'thappened already, the older Windows versions can't be far behind. Iexpect other browsers will be similar.

16-bit browser for a 32 or 64 bit OS? I had a 16-bit Opera for Windows3.11 that worked better than Netscape and IE.

Of course, silly error, I should have said 32 bit, but they did dropsupport for 32 bit Linux some time back. I assume they've dropped, orwill some do so. for XP et al.Opera was good, as you say. Not used it recently.Netscape- that brings back memories.I saw 3.11 somewhere recently- I suspect YouTube and GEM (the oldAmstrad version), again I think on YouTube. Very dated but both seemedgood at the time.

When you say 32-bit Chromium you more than likely mean i386-linux-gnu.It's still very much alive for the 32-bit arm versions armv6l and armv7lthat I'm using. It's a bit slow on a Pi3 but quite useable on an AsusTinkerboard.

Post by Brian ReayYou will hit problems like browser compatibility. Chrome 16 bit forLinux has already been dropped as regards updates. If it hasn'thappened already, the older Windows versions can't be far behind. Iexpect other browsers will be similar.

16-bit browser for a 32 or 64 bit OS? I had a 16-bit Opera forWindows 3.11 that worked better than Netscape and IE.

Of course, silly error, I should have said 32 bit, but they did dropsupport for 32 bit Linux some time back. I assume they've dropped, orwill some do so. for XP et al.Opera was good, as you say. Not used it recently.Netscape- that brings back memories.I saw 3.11 somewhere recently- I suspect YouTube and GEM (the oldAmstrad version), again I think on YouTube. Very dated but both seemedgood at the time.

When you say 32-bit Chromium you more than likely mean i386-linux-gnu.It's still very much alive for the 32-bit arm versions armv6l and armv7lthat I'm using. It's a bit slow on a Pi3 but quite useable on an AsusTinkerboard.

I was referring to Google's Chrome 32 bit (double check not 16 ;-) )version. I'm aware of the Chromium browsers but don't follow them. AsI was referring to browsers Jim would be likely to use, I doubt he isgoing to go far 'off piste'- he likes to stay in his comfort zone withcomputers (no insult intended Jim).

Post by Brian MorrisonLatest Opera reputed to be 38% faster at page loading than thelatest Firefox versions 57+ which was much faster than the previousversions of FF.You could try Vivaldi, it's Opera based, but I have not tried toassess it for page load speed.

Both now use the Chromium source.

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Post by Brian MorrisonLatest Opera reputed to be 38% faster at page loading than thelatest Firefox versions 57+ which was much faster than theprevious versions of FF.You could try Vivaldi, it's Opera based, but I have not tried toassess it for page load speed.

Both now use the Chromium source.

Correction, the Chromium rendering engine.

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