Telephone conversation between Henry Azadehdel of Nottingham, England and Dr.Eric Walker, former (1956-1970) President of Penn State Univ.; ChairmanInstitute for Defense Analysis, and founder and former director of the Navy's Ordanance Research Laboratory. The interview took place March 8,1990.

Mrs Walker¬† Hello?

Azadehdel¬†¬† Hello. Is Dr. Walker in, please?

Mrs. Walker Yes.

(I waited for a short while)

Dr. Walker¬† Hello?

Azadehdel¬†¬† Hello. Dr. Walker. This is Henry from Nottingham.

Dr. Walker¬† Hello. How are you?

Azadehdel¬†¬† I am fine thank you. Doctor, I have sent you a book earlier this week. I hope you will enjoy reading it. It is called the Open Verdict. It is about 25 scientists who worked in the Ministry of Defense, and all died in mysterious circumstances.

Dr Walker¬†¬† Well I have not received it yet. Have you received my book?

Azadehdel¬†¬† No. Doctor. I sent this book on Tuesday by Air Mail. You should receive it in ten days or so. But, Doctor, I have been reading this book called Above Top Secret. There are some documents there referring to a group known as MJ -12. Have you heard of them?

Dr Walker¬†¬† For a long time now. I have nothing to do with them.

Azadehdel¬†¬† Are the documents authentic?

Dr Walker¬†¬† I don't think so.

Azadehdel¬†¬† Doctor. Is there such a group still active?

Dr Walker¬†¬† How good is your mathematics?

Azadehdel¬†¬† As good as it could be for a doctor in physics, but why?

Dr Walker¬†¬† Because only a couple people are capable of handling this issue. Unless your mind ability is like Einstein's or likewise, I do not think you can achieve anything.

Azadehdel¬†¬† well, Doctor, for years I have been trying. But, are there government scientists?

Dr Walker¬†¬† Everyone mistakes this issue. I gather by that you mean whether they work for the Defense establishments of the military.

Azadehdel¬†¬† Yes, Doctor, that is what I meant.

Dr. Walker¬†¬† Well, that is where you are wrong. They are a Handful Of Elite. When you are invited into that group I would know.

Azadehdel¬†¬† Is it a group like Bilderbergs, Pugwash, or the Trilaterals?

Dr Walker¬†¬† I didn't get that

Azadehdel¬†¬† Is this group like the Bilderbergs, Pugwash, or the Trilaterals?

Dr Walker¬†¬† (Silence for a long while)¬† Something like that.

Azadehdel¬†¬† Are there any members of the public in this group?

Dr Walker¬†¬† What do you mean?

Azadehdel¬†¬† I mean ordinary people who have dedicated their lives to studying UFO?

Dr Walker¬†¬† No.

Azadehdel¬†¬† Are you a member of that group?

Dr Walker¬†¬† I cannot answer that. How good is your sixth sense? How much do you know about ESP?

Azadehdel¬†¬† I know to some degree about ESP and EVP. But, what has that got to do with it?

Dr Walker¬†¬† Unless you know about it, and how to use it, you would not be taken in. Only a few know about it.

Azadehdel¬†¬† Doctor, are there any military people in that group?

Dr Walker¬†¬† No.

Azadehdel¬†¬† Have we used any derivative of the learnt technology in the military?

Dr Walker¬†¬† I cannot answer that question. You are trying to squeeze answers out of me. If you are invited into this group I would know.

Azadehdel¬†¬† Are the members 10, 12, 14, are they all Americans?

Dr Walker¬†¬† I cannot give you the numbers, and no, not nessessarily, they are not all Americans.

Azadehdel¬†¬† Doctor, have we mastered the knowledge? Are we working together with the entities? Dr Walker¬†¬† No. We have learned so much, and no we are not working with them...only contact.

Azadehdel¬†¬† Have we captured any saucers.. any material from the discs to study?

Dr Walker¬†¬† The technology is far behind what is known in ordinary terms of physics that you take the measure and obtain measurements. You are pushing for answers aren't you?

Azadehdel¬†¬† Doctor, I have obtained a report called Project Magnet. Have you ever met Wilbert Smith who worked on this project in Canada?

Dr Walker¬†¬† No, I don't believe having met this person.

Azadehdel¬†¬† Is the concept on the Electromagnetic or Gravity?

Dr Walker¬†¬† As I said. It is far ahead of the known level of physics. A very few have knowledge of it.

Azadehdel¬†¬† O.K. Doctor. Let us change the subject. What do you usually read?

Dr Walker¬†¬† Well, at the moment, I am reading The Spy Catcher.

Azadehdel¬†¬† You are a little behind, Doctor, in that department, aren't you?

Dr Walker¬†¬† ( he laughs ) Well, I have not had the time. But it is interesting.I like books like this.

Azadehdel¬†¬† Well, Doctor, in that case you will enjoy my book. I would send you hereafter some books.

Dr Walker¬†¬† Are you familiar with the theory of Relativity? Do you know whether we have used it or not?

Azadehdel¬†¬† Yes, I am familiar with it. But, whether we have used it, I guess my answer would be yes and no.

Dr Walker¬†¬† That is correct, yes and no.

Azadehdel¬†¬† Doctor, I guess this subject is like chasing the whirlwind. ( Henry specifically used this word because of the curious¬† phrase " chasing windmills " used by Walker in the Steinman interview)

Dr Walker¬†¬† Well, yes. But if you capture that whirlwind, what do you want to do with it?

Azadehdel¬†¬† It is a very good and valid question, one which...that sort of analogy from my point of view does not apply to it. I am not going to pass judgment on it, as to whether it is good or bad, and hence I should not follow it up for those reasons. I am a scientist, looking for answers and solutions. I guess like any other scientific problems which I might encounter.

Dr Walker¬†¬† As I said, very few who are not officials have been able to work ( with them ) and if you are invited into their circle, I would know.

Azadehdel¬†¬† Doctor, thank you very much for your time. We should chat again.