It's all cordiality and please and thank you in the political forum too. Not a personal attack to be seen. What the hell happened? <br><br>Oh right, I almost forgot. Everyone on God's green earth finally figured out that George W Bush is a total imbecile and has an ironclad grip on "worst President ever". There are just so many times you can say that over again.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>

But, getting back to the O.P.…<br><br>When I first heard the story about Warren Jeffs, and saw his picture, I couldn't help but thinking that he was just another put-upon dickweed nerd that had no social skills, and decided that coattailling on Daddy Rulon's "methods-for-getting-young-chicks (or-little-boys-who-could-be-used-as-a-substitute)" were the only way he was ever gonna dip his weenie.<br><br>I like being a calm guy, but I wanted to spend 3 or 4 weeks punching him in his soft parts. He falls, gets back up, and I punch him again. et cetera.<br><br>

A friend of mine was attending an 'inter-faith' conference some years ago where his zen teacher was on the panel. At one point, a lady stood up in the audience, pointed to him, and said: 'Well, I buhleeve in the lord jeeziz christ, and I'm goin' to heaven when I die - where are you going?' - the zen teacher didn't bat an eyelid, he just replied: 'I'm going to hell - surely that's where all compassionate people should want to go'.<br><br>- padmavyuha<br><br>[color:purple]A lopsided man runs best along the little side-hills of success<br>- Frank Moore Colby</font color=purple>

"Oh right, I almost forgot. Everyone on God's green earth finally figured out that George W Bush is a total imbecile and has an ironclad grip on "worst President ever". There are just so many times you can say that over again."<br><br>Ah, saying it one more time can't hurt.<br><br>We are what we repeatedly do. -Aristotle

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>saying it one more time can't hurt.<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>As the Beatles say, [color:blue]All together now . . . all together now.</font color=blue><br><br><br>&#63743; &#63743; &#63743; &#63743;

Good grief, did I come back to this forum only to sing Kumbaya?<br><br>Kumbaya Bush sucks,<br>Kumbaya.<br>Kumbaya Bush sucks,<br>Kumbaya.<br>Kumbaya Rove's gone,<br>Kumbaya.<br>Kumbaya Rove's gone,<br>Kumbaya<br>...<br><br>altogether now, without socks.<br><br>Kumbaya ...<br><br><br><br><br><br><br>

I doano...<br><br>It took a while to stop ducking the fully expected lightening bolt<br>when ever I began to first actually enunciate "There IS No God."<br>Over time the cringe became a twinge, then even that was gone.<br><br>You don't know just how conditioned you are until you break free.<br><br>Looking back I came to recognize how we'd been hoodwinked into<br>a LIFETIME of chasing some non-existent carrot on a stick, and<br>how we'd been conditioned to never expect happiness in life, but<br>it was OK, because IF you did what you were told here, you'd get<br>your reward, even though there was ABSOLUTELY No Proof that<br>we ever would, in fact COULD reap any Promised Final Reward.<br><br>Those that are still LABORING under the Imperial Conditioning<br>may feel that that kind of thinking is too horrible to risk, while<br>those who have broken free of the cage (like [color:blue]Plato's Cave</font color=blue>) are<br>finally free to experience how liberating it feels to not rollover<br>on command, or drool whenever someone rings A Church Bell. <br><br>That doesn't mean that a person that no longer depends upon an<br>Invisible Guy in the Sky watching his every move to do the right<br>thing, we still live in a society that dictates that we conform in<br>order to co exist... We still shalt to kill, or steal, or bear false<br>witness... but we tend to depend more on an Honor System Basis<br>...and if we can't manage that, we're still thankfully accountable<br>to the prevailing system of secular justice. <br><br>Personally, I still think Jesus was a really cool dude, with a lot<br>of great ideas... "The Golden 'Do-Unto-Others' Rule" and "The<br>Loving Thy Neighbor As You Love Yourself" ones being top-most.<br><br><br><br>[color:green]"...or am I a butterfly that's dreaming she's a woman?"</font color=green> [color:green]. . . _ _ _ . . .</font color=green><br>

_________________________."...or am I a butterfly dreaming she's a woman?"

To put it more succinctly:<br><CENTER><br>Religion was not only a way of explaining what was unknown at the time,<br>but also dandy for keeping people in line, in an unenforceable situation.<br><br><br><br><br>It was also a means to Identify...<br><br>...and Unify the Masses.<br><br><br>Maintaining Control using the Threat of Excommunication...<br><br>....Or WORSE!<br><br><br>It was an effective tool to get peasants to work for you,<br>...by using a Promise of reward in an 'AfterLife',<br><br>....or alternately, the Threat of ETERNAL Damnation.<br><br><br></CENTER><br><br><br>[color:green]"...or am I a butterfly that's dreaming she's a woman?"</font color=green> [color:green]. . . _ _ _ . . .</font color=green><br>

_________________________."...or am I a butterfly dreaming she's a woman?"

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