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<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="16756116"></LI-USER> wrote:<BR /><P>For one thing, your&nbsp;source may be a genuine scientist but that alone doesn't account for that much.&nbsp; Scientists generally don't march in lockstep with each other unless there is overwhelming evidence to support something like climate change.&nbsp; And with the vast majority of scientists all agreeing about climate change and its effect on hurricanes your source needs a LOT more to back him up than just showing his diploma on the wall to get intelligent people to believe his contention.&nbsp; And just saying Nye is wrong without clearly explaining WHY he is wrong doesn't cut it.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Remember when reputable scientists were arguing for the removal of lead from gasoline?&nbsp; In the 60s the oil companies paid a scientist to argue before Congress that lead in gasoline was harmless.&nbsp; That was about as true as when&nbsp;industry shills for the tobacco industry were claiming smoking wasn't harmful.&nbsp; Now it would appear we are seeing the same thing regarding climate change as we saw then,</P><P>But sadly, we tend to believe what we want to (or are <EM>told</EM> to) believe and ignore everything else.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>And since dangerous changes to the climate and oceans on a <EM>planet-wide</EM> basis is measured in the range of&nbsp; just a FEW degrees, it makes the flippant dismissal of the ocean just being "a little warmer" makes his argument ridiculous on its face.</P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp; &nbsp; It is interesting that all the of Blaze information is based on a report from the Global Warming Policy Foundation / UK. &nbsp; &nbsp;That report included a dataset (Maue's) &nbsp;that was erroneous. &nbsp; How bad was the error? &nbsp; So bad that the GWPF deleted the information and even tweeted their corrections. &nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Oh but wait, some here will be excited to learn that the Neo-Nazi's ( Daily Stormer) &nbsp;did NOT stop supporting the false information. &nbsp; This should keep the denialist happy...so yea!? &nbsp;&nbsp;</P>Wed, 13 Sep 2017 13:54:57 GMTafisher2017-09-13T13:54:57ZBill Nye blames powerful hurricanes on climate changehttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Bill-Nye-blames-powerful-hurricanes-on-climate-change/m-p/1905001#M760884
<P><FONT size="5"><STRONG>Bill Nye blames powerful hurricanes on climate change — then a real scientist shuts him down</STRONG></FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>With two major hurricanes striking the United States in just two weeks, many liberals and climate change alarmists have pointed to man-made climate change as the reason such powerful storms are striking the U.S. so closely.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>One of those alarmists is television host Bill Nye, of course.</P><P>Everything is climate change</P><P>Over the last several years, Nye, the former host of a 1990’s children’s television show, has become a leading crusader in warning against man-made climate change, denouncing anything other than his own version of science and truth.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>To Nye, any anomalous weather is a sign of climate change. So with record-setting Hurricane Irma coming on the heals of record-setting Hurricane Harvey, Nye was quick to connect the dots and conclude climate change.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>“It’s the strength that is almost certainly associated with global warming,” Nye <A href="https://twitter.com/RadioAndySXM/status/905499613494480897" target="_blank">told Dan Rather last week</A>. “As the world gets warmer and there’s more heat energy in the atmosphere, you expect storms to get stronger. You also expect ocean currents to not flow the way they always have. That will make some places cooler and some warmer.”</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>“The problem…is that these hurricanes are very powerful,” Nye said. “We’re all gonna pay for Harvey, we’re all gonna pay for Irma one way or another. So…anyway, the more heat energy in the atmosphere strengthens the storms — as you would expect.”</P><P>The PhD meteorologist responds</P><P>Dr. Ryan Maue, a climate scientist known for his work with tropics, weather models and climate research shut Nye down on Twitter.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="Screen Shot 2017-09-11 at 10.08.41 AM.png" style="width: 466px;"><img src="https://azqev28564.i.lithium.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/34679i763A6EB39BB062AB/image-size/large?v=1.0&amp;px=999" title="Screen Shot 2017-09-11 at 10.08.41 AM.png" alt="Screen Shot 2017-09-11 at 10.08.41 AM.png" /></span></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>When someone questioned Maue, he doubled down on his point that Nye was just plain wrong in his comments.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="Screen Shot 2017-09-11 at 10.08.27 AM.png" style="width: 459px;"><img src="https://azqev28564.i.lithium.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/34680i13088C21A99FCD32/image-size/large?v=1.0&amp;px=999" title="Screen Shot 2017-09-11 at 10.08.27 AM.png" alt="Screen Shot 2017-09-11 at 10.08.27 AM.png" /></span></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>What other scientists say</P><P>University of Washington atmospheric scientist Cliff Mass <A href="http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/09/02/scientist-shuts-down-climate-change-alarmists-with-new-report-about-hurricane-harvey/" target="_blank">also put the brakes on the climate change theory</A> in an extensive blog post last month about Hurricane Harvey.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>“Hurricane Harvey developed in an environment in which temperatures were near normal in the atmosphere and slightly above normal in the Gulf,” he wrote. “The clear implication: global warming could not have contributed very much to the storm.”</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>“There is no evidence that global warming is influencing Texas coastal precipitation in the long term and little evidence that warmer than normal temperatures had any real impact on the precipitation intensity from this storm,” he explained.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><A href="http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/09/10/bill-nye-blames-powerful-hurricanes-on-climate-change-then-a-real-scientist-shuts-him-down/" target="_self">http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/09/10/bill-nye-blames-powerful-hurricanes-on-climate-change-then-a-real-scientist-shuts-him-down/</A></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Bill Nye is too funny...</P>Mon, 11 Sep 2017 15:15:18 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Bill-Nye-blames-powerful-hurricanes-on-climate-change/m-p/1905001#M760884jimc912017-09-11T15:15:18ZRe: Bill Nye blames powerful hurricanes on climate changehttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Bill-Nye-blames-powerful-hurricanes-on-climate-change/m-p/1905006#M760888
the way i heard it ( shaky memory) warmer water warms the atmosphere creating a cyclonic movement. the bigger the disparity the larger the cyclone...and irma is historically huge..as in diameter. same basic principle for tornadoes etc.<BR />Why so big, so many this year? I think climate change effects it..thats about all i will say as im no " climate" scientist.<BR /><BR />SO..first you disparage Nye, and classify him with me as a scientist..enough science knowledge to run a kid show.<BR /><BR />and you accept some people that tweeted against the kidshow guy?<BR />the 3 % of scientist that deny change are your ammo? Okee.<BR />Mon, 11 Sep 2017 15:29:51 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Bill-Nye-blames-powerful-hurricanes-on-climate-change/m-p/1905006#M760888MIseker2017-09-11T15:29:51ZRe: Bill Nye blames powerful hurricanes on climate changehttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Bill-Nye-blames-powerful-hurricanes-on-climate-change/m-p/1905013#M760892
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="1499793"></LI-USER> wrote:<BR />the way i heard it ( shaky memory) warmer water warms the atmosphere creating a cyclonic movement. the bigger the disparity the larger the cyclone...and irma is historically huge..as in diameter. same basic principle for tornadoes etc.<BR />Why so big, so many this year? I think climate change effects it..thats about all i will say as im no " climate" scientist.<BR /><BR />SO..first you disparage Nye, and classify him with me as a scientist..enough science knowledge to run a kid show.<BR /><BR />and you accept some people that tweeted against the kidshow guy?<BR />the 3 % of scientist that deny change are your ammo? Okee.<BR /><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P><STRONG><FONT size="4" color="#008000">Basic grade school science - warmer water (has more heat content) evaporates more readily/faster - warmer air holds more of that evaporated water that already&nbsp;contains more heat (energy)- hint - so we get more evaporated water with more heat (energy) content - hint - net result stronger storms containing more water and more energy.</FONT></STRONG></P><P><STRONG><FONT size="4" color="#008000">A simple cause and effect sequence that any sixth grader - but not a republican/conservative/trump supporter - can easily comprehend.</FONT></STRONG></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><STRONG><FONT size="4" color="#008000">republicans/conservatives/trump supporters better get that loser Ken Ham to pray for them...</FONT></STRONG></P>Mon, 11 Sep 2017 15:58:32 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Bill-Nye-blames-powerful-hurricanes-on-climate-change/m-p/1905013#M760892alferdpacker2017-09-11T15:58:32ZRe: Bill Nye blames powerful hurricanes on climate changehttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Bill-Nye-blames-powerful-hurricanes-on-climate-change/m-p/1905044#M760913
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="1499793"></LI-USER> wrote:<BR />the way i heard it ( shaky memory) warmer water warms the atmosphere creating a cyclonic movement. the bigger the disparity the larger the cyclone...and irma is historically huge..as in diameter. same basic principle for tornadoes etc.<BR />Why so big, so many this year? I think climate change effects it..thats about all i will say as im no " climate" scientist.<BR /><BR />SO..first you disparage Nye, and classify him with me as a scientist..enough science knowledge to run a kid show.<BR /><BR />and you accept some people that tweeted against the kidshow guy?<BR />the 3 % of scientist that deny change are your ammo? Okee.<BR /><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>So...let's see...without getting into any further detail than necessary, there would be two basic sources of heat on this old earth.&nbsp; One from the Sun dumping heat from outside in to.air, water, rock, sand, dirt...whatever....on or above the surface. The other, the molten iron core down there pumping heat up to the same surface.&nbsp; Themal transfer, volcanic activity, hot springs etc.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Both can and do change temperature overall or in specific areas on the composite or earth AND its atmosphere.&nbsp; I expect even the 3% would agree with that...it's one of those 'self-evident thingys'. Being non-rational, the other deniers might not 'get it' even IF the 3% does.&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>So...it now seems both surface temperature AND atmospheric temperatures <U>are</U> changing..... differently from place to place on the earth's surface...it's getting hotter, but not uniformly.&nbsp; Some places might even be getting colder.&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>NOTHING stays the same when <U>any</U> components is changed.&nbsp; Doesn't 'act' the same, doesn't 'work' the same AND the consequnces are different.&nbsp; Another of those 'self-evident thingys', so it is.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>So then,..heat can be entrained in.the "atmosphere". Trapped.&nbsp; Could come from the sun, could come from the ground/water surfaces of the earth....really the only two that count all that much. &nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>IF the heat can not and does not escape into space outside the 'atmosphere', the 'atmosphere' gets hotter. AND so do the earth's surfaces under it EVEN IF nothing has changed in what the Earth's Core puts out.&nbsp; That's happening.&nbsp; It has happened periodically since the earth was formed.&nbsp; There's a difference now, though,</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Man and his chemical/gas/carbon/methane contributions have changed the atmosphere so the heat no longer escapes as it did.&nbsp; Man and ALL of the non-natural consequences of his existence has been added into the equation.&nbsp; The equation no longer is in 'balance'.&nbsp; This time around, Man did it.&nbsp; IF Man doesn't fix it, Man will go away.&nbsp; Nature doesn't screw around.&nbsp; Got that jim?&nbsp; You can't credit or blame God for this one.</P>Mon, 11 Sep 2017 17:43:51 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Bill-Nye-blames-powerful-hurricanes-on-climate-change/m-p/1905044#M760913umbarch642017-09-11T17:43:51ZRe: Bill Nye blames powerful hurricanes on climate changehttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Bill-Nye-blames-powerful-hurricanes-on-climate-change/m-p/1905054#M760923
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="519556"></LI-USER> wrote:<BR /><BR /><P><A href="http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/09/10/bill-nye-blames-powerful-hurricanes-on-climate-change-then-a-real-scientist-shuts-him-down/" target="_self">http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/09/10/bill-nye-blames-powerful-hurricanes-on-climate-change-then-a-real-scientist-shuts-him-down/</A></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Bill Nye is too funny...</P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P><FONT color="#0000FF" size="4"><STRONG>No. He's not funny. He's serious.</STRONG></FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT color="#0000FF" size="4"><STRONG>What's funny is that THE BLAZE is a resource headed by a mentally incapacitated GLENN BECK who has all the following on his resume:</STRONG></FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT color="#0000FF" size="4"><STRONG>(1) Drug Addict</STRONG></FONT></P><P><FONT color="#0000FF" size="4"><STRONG>(2) Alcoholic</STRONG></FONT></P><P><FONT color="#0000FF" size="4"><STRONG>(3) Suicidal</STRONG></FONT></P><P><FONT color="#0000FF" size="4"><STRONG>(4) ADHD</STRONG></FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT color="#0000FF" size="4"><STRONG>He has, through other means such as self diagnosis or through spurious "medical" outlets, also attested to the following "illnesses":</STRONG></FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT color="#0000FF" size="4"><STRONG>(1) Eye problems where he can't focus</STRONG></FONT></P><P><FONT color="#0000FF" size="4"><STRONG>(2) Autoimmune Disorders</STRONG></FONT></P><P><FONT color="#0000FF" size="4"><STRONG>(3) Adrenal Fatigue (whatever that is)</STRONG></FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT color="#0000FF" size="4"><STRONG>Legitimate medical experts had labelled his "illnesses" as arising from pseudoscience.</STRONG></FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT color="#0000FF" size="4"><STRONG>Glenn Beck is a space cadet and any information from a media outlet headed by him must be treated as just the flotsam and&nbsp;jetsam that arises from the mind of someone that isn't all there, so to speak.</STRONG></FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P>Mon, 11 Sep 2017 18:50:08 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Bill-Nye-blames-powerful-hurricanes-on-climate-change/m-p/1905054#M760923nctarheel2017-09-11T18:50:08ZRe: Bill Nye blames powerful hurricanes on climate changehttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Bill-Nye-blames-powerful-hurricanes-on-climate-change/m-p/1905056#M760925
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="519556"></LI-USER> wrote:<BR /><BR /><P>Dr. Ryan Maue, a climate scientist known for his work with tropics, weather models and climate research shut Nye down on Twitter.</P>&nbsp;<P><A href="http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/09/10/bill-nye-blames-powerful-hurricanes-on-climate-change-then-a-real-scientist-shuts-him-down/" target="_self">http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/09/10/bill-nye-blames-powerful-hurricanes-on-climate-change-then-a-real-scientist-shuts-him-down/</A></P><P>&nbsp;</P><BR /><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P><FONT color="#0000FF" size="4"><STRONG>I find it so interesting in reviewing your sources; that there is a pattern that is virtually repeated over and over and over.</STRONG></FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT color="#0000FF" size="4"><STRONG>Generally, the researcher quoted in your posts work for a Conservative Think Tank or for no one at all.</STRONG></FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT color="#0000FF" size="4"><STRONG>Generally, you find more about this researcher's "public self" in the TWITTERVERSE rather than legitimate scientific papers and journals.</STRONG></FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT color="#0000FF" size="4"><STRONG>Generally, if you find web sites mentioning your researcher, it will be an ALT-RIGHT website.</STRONG></FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT color="#0000FF" size="4"><STRONG>Generally and finally, your researcher will usually be criticized by legitimate publications such as Politifact and Scientific American Magazine.</STRONG></FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT color="#0000FF" size="4"><STRONG>This applies to Ryan Maue (whoever he is) and a multitude of other "experts" you have&nbsp;quoted previously.</STRONG></FONT></P>Mon, 11 Sep 2017 18:48:01 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Bill-Nye-blames-powerful-hurricanes-on-climate-change/m-p/1905056#M760925nctarheel2017-09-11T18:48:01ZRe: Bill Nye blames powerful hurricanes on climate changehttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Bill-Nye-blames-powerful-hurricanes-on-climate-change/m-p/1905059#M760928
<P>Mlseker:&nbsp;&nbsp; SO..first you disparage Nye, and classify him with me as a scientist..enough science knowledge to run a kid show.<BR /><BR />and you accept some people that tweeted against the kidshow guy?<BR />the 3 % of scientist that deny change are your ammo? Okee.</P><DIV class="UserSignature lia-message-signature">So it begins.</DIV><DIV class="UserSignature lia-message-signature">&nbsp;</DIV><DIV class="UserSignature lia-message-signature">&nbsp;</DIV><DIV class="UserSignature lia-message-signature"><FONT size="4">Not much to say in answer&nbsp; to this level of derp coming from the right. They're going to grasp whatever ludicrous thing they come across and present it as if it merits serious consideration.</FONT></DIV><DIV class="UserSignature lia-message-signature">&nbsp;</DIV><DIV class="UserSignature lia-message-signature">&nbsp;</DIV><DIV class="UserSignature lia-message-signature">&nbsp;</DIV>Mon, 11 Sep 2017 19:05:06 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Bill-Nye-blames-powerful-hurricanes-on-climate-change/m-p/1905059#M760928Panjandrum2017-09-11T19:05:06ZRe: Bill Nye blames powerful hurricanes on climate changehttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Bill-Nye-blames-powerful-hurricanes-on-climate-change/m-p/1905065#M760930
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="1772541"></LI-USER> wrote:<BR /><P>Mlseker:&nbsp;&nbsp; SO..first you disparage Nye, and classify him with me as a scientist..enough science knowledge to run a kid show.<BR /><BR />and you accept some people that tweeted against the kidshow guy?<BR />the 3 % of scientist that deny change are your ammo? Okee.</P><DIV class="UserSignature lia-message-signature">So it begins.</DIV><DIV class="UserSignature lia-message-signature">&nbsp;</DIV><DIV class="UserSignature lia-message-signature">&nbsp;</DIV><DIV class="UserSignature lia-message-signature"><FONT size="4">Not much to say in answer&nbsp; to this level of derp coming from the right. They're going to grasp whatever ludicrous thing they come across and present it as if it merits serious consideration.</FONT></DIV><DIV class="UserSignature lia-message-signature">&nbsp;</DIV><DIV class="UserSignature lia-message-signature">&nbsp;</DIV><DIV class="UserSignature lia-message-signature">&nbsp;</DIV><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P><STRONG><FONT color="#008000"><FONT size="4">There needs to be a standard for measuring republican/conservative "derpitude".</FONT></FONT></STRONG></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><STRONG><FONT color="#008000"><FONT size="4">Perhaps Glenn Beck should be considered to be a "derpitude" measurement of 100 (for those not institutionalized).</FONT></FONT></STRONG></P>Mon, 11 Sep 2017 19:34:26 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Bill-Nye-blames-powerful-hurricanes-on-climate-change/m-p/1905065#M760930alferdpacker2017-09-11T19:34:26ZRe: Bill Nye blames powerful hurricanes on climate changehttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Bill-Nye-blames-powerful-hurricanes-on-climate-change/m-p/1905068#M760931
<P>For one thing, your&nbsp;source may be a genuine scientist but that alone doesn't account for that much.&nbsp; Scientists generally don't march in lockstep with each other unless there is overwhelming evidence to support something like climate change.&nbsp; And with the vast majority of scientists all agreeing about climate change and its effect on hurricanes your source needs a LOT more to back him up than just showing his diploma on the wall to get intelligent people to believe his contention.&nbsp; And just saying Nye is wrong without clearly explaining WHY he is wrong doesn't cut it.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Remember when reputable scientists were arguing for the removal of lead from gasoline?&nbsp; In the 60s the oil companies paid a scientist to argue before Congress that lead in gasoline was harmless.&nbsp; That was about as true as when&nbsp;industry shills for the tobacco industry were claiming smoking wasn't harmful.&nbsp; Now it would appear we are seeing the same thing regarding climate change as we saw then,</P><P>But sadly, we tend to believe what we want to (or are <EM>told</EM> to) believe and ignore everything else.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>And since dangerous changes to the climate and oceans on a <EM>planet-wide</EM> basis is measured in the range of&nbsp; just a FEW degrees, it makes the flippant dismissal of the ocean just being "a little warmer" makes his argument ridiculous on its face.</P>Mon, 11 Sep 2017 23:02:45 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Bill-Nye-blames-powerful-hurricanes-on-climate-change/m-p/1905068#M760931jims7306562017-09-11T23:02:45ZRe: Bill Nye blames powerful hurricanes on climate changehttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Bill-Nye-blames-powerful-hurricanes-on-climate-change/m-p/1905641#M761180
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="16756116"></LI-USER> wrote:<BR /><P>For one thing, your&nbsp;source may be a genuine scientist but that alone doesn't account for that much.&nbsp; Scientists generally don't march in lockstep with each other unless there is overwhelming evidence to support something like climate change.&nbsp; And with the vast majority of scientists all agreeing about climate change and its effect on hurricanes your source needs a LOT more to back him up than just showing his diploma on the wall to get intelligent people to believe his contention.&nbsp; And just saying Nye is wrong without clearly explaining WHY he is wrong doesn't cut it.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Remember when reputable scientists were arguing for the removal of lead from gasoline?&nbsp; In the 60s the oil companies paid a scientist to argue before Congress that lead in gasoline was harmless.&nbsp; That was about as true as when&nbsp;industry shills for the tobacco industry were claiming smoking wasn't harmful.&nbsp; Now it would appear we are seeing the same thing regarding climate change as we saw then,</P><P>But sadly, we tend to believe what we want to (or are <EM>told</EM> to) believe and ignore everything else.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>And since dangerous changes to the climate and oceans on a <EM>planet-wide</EM> basis is measured in the range of&nbsp; just a FEW degrees, it makes the flippant dismissal of the ocean just being "a little warmer" makes his argument ridiculous on its face.</P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp; &nbsp; It is interesting that all the of Blaze information is based on a report from the Global Warming Policy Foundation / UK. &nbsp; &nbsp;That report included a dataset (Maue's) &nbsp;that was erroneous. &nbsp; How bad was the error? &nbsp; So bad that the GWPF deleted the information and even tweeted their corrections. &nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Oh but wait, some here will be excited to learn that the Neo-Nazi's ( Daily Stormer) &nbsp;did NOT stop supporting the false information. &nbsp; This should keep the denialist happy...so yea!? &nbsp;&nbsp;</P>Wed, 13 Sep 2017 13:54:57 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Bill-Nye-blames-powerful-hurricanes-on-climate-change/m-p/1905641#M761180afisher2017-09-13T13:54:57ZRe: Bill Nye blames powerful hurricanes on climate changehttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Bill-Nye-blames-powerful-hurricanes-on-climate-change/m-p/1905657#M761190
<P>Bill Nye is just too funny.</P>Wed, 13 Sep 2017 15:08:34 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Bill-Nye-blames-powerful-hurricanes-on-climate-change/m-p/1905657#M761190jimc912017-09-13T15:08:34ZRe: Bill Nye blames powerful hurricanes on climate changehttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Bill-Nye-blames-powerful-hurricanes-on-climate-change/m-p/1905659#M761192
<P><FONT size="4">Deniers have their heads stuck in the sands.</FONT></P>Wed, 13 Sep 2017 15:15:42 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Bill-Nye-blames-powerful-hurricanes-on-climate-change/m-p/1905659#M761192ChasKy532017-09-13T15:15:42ZRe: Bill Nye blames powerful hurricanes on climate changehttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Bill-Nye-blames-powerful-hurricanes-on-climate-change/m-p/1905683#M761207
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="1371512"></LI-USER> wrote:<BR /><P><FONT size="4">Deniers have their heads stuck in the sands.</FONT></P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I don't know about sand, but those heads are stuck <EM>somewhere</EM>!&nbsp; Unfortunately, I'm cursed by having a memory and I remember when they completely denied&nbsp; there even WAS smething called&nbsp; global warming.&nbsp; Later, when the evidence became too strong that that particular dodge no longer worked, they switched lanes and started saying "yeah, sure there's global warming...but it's a 'natural' thing and not the people's fault".</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>The problem with that logic is that there are 239 MILLION little bonfires on wheels in the world.&nbsp; And that's just automobiles.&nbsp; It doesn't count all the trucks, buses, boats, farm equipment, lawn mowers and dozens of other things that use internal combustion engines&nbsp; every day on this planet.&nbsp; Then there are thousands of factories, coal, gas and nuclear power plants that all generate massive amounts of heat.&nbsp; Combine that with deforestation&nbsp; on a massive, global scale and you have a LOT of heat.&nbsp; Add to that the large scale&nbsp; industrial air pollution (and the trapped methane and CO2&nbsp; released by melting glaciers and&nbsp; disappearing permafrost)&nbsp; that keeps a lot of heat from escaping the planet's&nbsp;atmosphere into space and you have a HUGE problem, and ALL of that is caused by human activity exclusively!</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>So the takeaway is that even if there IS a small component of this being 'naturally' occurring, the overwhelming blame for this situation is OUR fault, period!</P>Wed, 13 Sep 2017 18:28:53 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Bill-Nye-blames-powerful-hurricanes-on-climate-change/m-p/1905683#M761207jims7306562017-09-13T18:28:53ZRe: Bill Nye blames powerful hurricanes on climate changehttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Bill-Nye-blames-powerful-hurricanes-on-climate-change/m-p/1905686#M761209
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="519556"></LI-USER> wrote:<BR /><P>Bill Nye is just too funny.</P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P><FONT size="4" color="#993366"><EM><STRONG>He can be. He was very serious when he debated that religious whack-a-doodle in Kentucky over evolution. &nbsp;He was quite respectful even though there were lots of eye roll moments.&nbsp;</STRONG></EM></FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT size="4" color="#993366"><EM><STRONG>He has been an exceptionally good communicator of the proven science behind man made climate change. It must be frustrating to debate against people who's only retort is "Is NOT!" and no belief in science. &nbsp;Well, he seems to carry it off well.&nbsp;</STRONG></EM></FONT></P>Wed, 13 Sep 2017 16:16:33 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Bill-Nye-blames-powerful-hurricanes-on-climate-change/m-p/1905686#M761209Richva2017-09-13T16:16:33ZRe: Bill Nye blames powerful hurricanes on climate changehttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Bill-Nye-blames-powerful-hurricanes-on-climate-change/m-p/1905768#M761257
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="1371512"></LI-USER> wrote:<BR /><P><FONT size="4">Deniers have their heads stuck in the sands.</FONT></P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P><STRONG><FONT size="4" color="#008000">My 17 year old granddaughter explained the logical sequence to me...</FONT></STRONG></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><STRONG><FONT size="4" color="#008000">The expression "pack sand" is merely a preliminary operation setting up conditions that will allow deniers to be able to stick their heads in the sand.</FONT></STRONG></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><STRONG><FONT size="4" color="#008000">It is noted that the previously mentioned whackadoodle's ark project has failed to meet economic promises that got it&nbsp;big tax breaks, and appears to be "sinking" - something the crackpot has blamed upon&nbsp;Atheists - as if&nbsp;Atheists would be expected to spend excessive amounts of money to patronise what they would obviously&nbsp;consider a superstition based enterprise...</FONT></STRONG></P>Wed, 13 Sep 2017 22:16:58 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Bill-Nye-blames-powerful-hurricanes-on-climate-change/m-p/1905768#M761257alferdpacker2017-09-13T22:16:58Z