What would TOY STORY 3 look like if Disney put it out in 1935? Wonder no more!

Hey folks, Harry here and this isn't a story about anything new. Instead it is about something that's 75 years old this year. In 1935, Walt Disney made a Silly Symphonies called BROKEN TOYS - it is a Silly Symphony that I've never seen and I've tried to watch about as many of the classic Disney cartoons as I can get my beady little eyes upon.
This is a story about a dump where old broken toys are disposed of along with the other refuge of society. This could very well have been an early outline of TOY STORY 3. The toys are being thrown away and they have to find a new place in the world. Now... Here's a warning. This is a cartoon made in 1935. As a result there is imagery that is likely to be offensive to some. In particular, the Stepin Fetchit toy, based upon the famous 1930's actor known as Stepin Fetchit (go visit his star at 1751 Vine Street in Hollywood). This is an incredible physical comedian that was amazing to watch, but his act became the basis for an incredibly hurtful stereotype that... well... it is what it is.
But in the cartoon you have tons of 30's era star cameos and fun. Honestly, I just thought if I haven't seen it - then there was a good chance that many of you haven't as well. I'm getting excited about TOY STORY 3 and just thought a little Disney History with animated toys would be fun. I hope you enjoy:

What do you think about the Warner Bros. shorts from around the same period that had cameos by famous Hollywood stars? D'ya think Disney got the ideas from Warners or do you think it was a collective unconscious fugue?

a Silly Symphonies that you've not seen? I thought you were an entertainment guru type thingy guy. And second, if Disney had released TOY STORY 3 in 1935 it would have caused confusion, because the first two wouldn't be seen for another 60 years. Plus the guys who wrote it hadn't even been born then, That's batshit crazy, man!!

I believe that one was a Muppet TV special. And it was something like, if the humans see you acting alive, you'll become an inanimate toy permanently. But, like Toy Story, they'd come alive when no one was around and have fun, etc.

Had to scroll down my screen size for days to see the whole thing at once. And it looked better that way, too. Anyway, yeah, black face happened. It's not something you need to apologize for Harry. Cool toon, though. Definitely hadn't caught that one before. Thanks.

That's the muppet special. Just looked it up. And it even has an sci-fi themed action figure that is the newly opened toy that believes it's actually real!<p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Christmas_Toy

I can't believe you would post this piece of shit cartoon,this is low. Not only is that fucking puppet black, but it's dancing the jig? Minstrel show at it's finest. Your response to such bullshit? "It is what it is"? You chose to give racism some shine on your website which you really didn't need to and your response was "IT IS WHAT IT IS?" Oh fuuuuuck no, I can only hope God has something so fucked up and evil planned for you in the future. Go fuck yourself with a Freddy Krueger glove ya sick bastard.

I think the last thing you want to do is pretend stuff like this didn't get made or edit it out as you really see how pervasive such things were. Racial stereotypes weren't like some racist joke where a school kid looks both ways and behind him/her before letting it go. This stuff was everywhere in all media. The fact that people now react to it and are somewhat appalled is progress, but the generation of kids that watched this and then were adults in the fifties and sixties and were told that all that shit they used to watch was actually bad must've been some kind of head trip. It'd be like finding out "G.I. Joe" cartoons were totally jingoistic Cold War reactionary propaganda bits. Or something.

Pixar's great, mostly, on the visual front, but stinks when it comes to story innovation. They're huge fans of "borrowing" other people's stories. Even the much lauded Incredibles is little more than a thinly veiled derivative. For me, the last straw with them was when Lasseter stood up at the Oscars and cited family trips as his inspiration for Cars. We all know where he really got the idea. Netflix.<p>
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Anyway, while it's nice to see this short, I don't hold out much hope for Pixar's future. Now that they're Disney's bitch, they're going to pump out crappy sequel after crappy sequel. I mean, really. Nothing is sacred with Disney. Even Bambi got a sequel. Pixar & Disney should leave well enough alone and stop messing with the (modern) classics.

...off-handed, "no big deal", semi-apology for posting something with racial overtones. Entertainment of that age often contained racial overtones. He should have just posted the thing and said, "discuss". My two cents.

would be just as bad and people would be whining about it as well. "Hey guys, here's an edited version!" Well fuck right off then. We're grown ups. "It is what it is" because you know what? No matter how PC and tolerant we are now, we are that way BECAUSE of unfair, degrading stereotyping that we now see the errors of. I get it. No one likes to look at the history of our society but fucking deal with it or move to Texas...I live in TX so stfu Austinites.

I don't like the portrayals of Black and Asian (I'm Asian myself) people from this era, but I do respect the craft that it gave birth to. Let bygones be bygones as our young country (America) has definitely grown since Disney's time. I know the U.S. isn't perfect, but I'll stick by it until its done. It's home for me.

seek it out - same setting - made in the 70s - available on YouTube
Little girl brings Raggedy Anne home from school - drops her in special playroom - then all the toys come to life to discover that there is NEW toy that has been brought to the room for the little girl's birthday. The toy is then taken by a sea captain living in a globe - and Raggedy Anne and Andy go on a journey outside the room to save her. VERY trippy animation. Music by Joe Raposo

Cartoonists should be allowed to draw anything they want, didn't we all agree on that a couple weeks ago? <p> Don't get all hypocritical now folks, one man's Uncle Tom cartoon is another man's deity in a bear suit.

As far as the Smurfs go, I always rather assumed the communist thing, but not necessarily the junkie thing for Popeye. I guess, in hindsight and from a modern perspective, you could probably say that he was juicing, but that probably wasn't ever really the case, historically. Of all places, I read on Cracked recently how the idea for Popeye's spinach/strength connection came from a misplaced decimal place in the iron content for spinach, which had it at equivalent levels of something like steak. So, the connection was made that spinach, being as rich as steak, would give you the same sort of muscle building end result. Naturally, with it all being a mistake, it's kinda funny, but I think that this is the real deal behind his spinach thing. <p>
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Popeye, at least in my mind, never elicited the same sort of stoner connection that a Scooby Doo did. I can see how you'd see make one, but I'd be hard pressed to see it myself. Then again, you never know. If Wonder Woman can have S&M roots then Popeye could be a drug fueled loon. The early, very trippy shorts would at least partially suggest that, although that style seemed to be the norm for that era.<p>
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@PJoseph: I actually remember seeing that movie in the theaters in `79. The animation WAS a trip. It actually left me was a deep seeded heebie jeebies of that doll for years. =)

Typical stuff Harry posts anyway...
Admitting what you are doing isnt Cool News is the 1st step to recovery.
Then resignation because you realize you dont contribute anything of importance to this site anymore...

Not everything Bugs Bunny did was kosh by today's standards, but it was what it was. What we see as offensive today was just the norm back then. I have no doubt that we'll look back at some of today's stuff in 20 years and groan similarly. I even see stuff from 15 year old episodes of the Simpsons that probably would offend more than a few people today.<p>
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Apart from that.... It's just a fucking cartoon. These things are small slices in time. They're reflections of a society. They're not the society itself. They may offend or endear in their own unique ways, but they shouldn't be taken with the same sort of gravitas that one would the actions or inactions of a live human being. Cartons, like all art, are fantasy. More than that, they are fantasy taken to an extreme. I don't look at Smurfs and feel offended that they're largely sexist or that they don't uphold the "democratic ideals". No. I just shut the eff up and enjoy them on a superficial level, as intended.

Yeah. I know that this flies in the face of the site's name, but fluff is okay now and again, especially in a slow news week. I'm just surprised that Harry & Co haven't made even the slightest mention about Mark Millar's declaration that Kick-Ass 2 would shoot 2011 for a 2012 release. Even without a lionsgate confirmation, that would be more newsworthy than a post about a 75 year old cartoon.

Well, folks, this is always a thorny subject. This country is littered with remnant of the intolerances and negative imagery that go back far before this, and probably will continue far after. As a person of color myself (meaning that evnn though my people come from Cuba, Puerto Rico and Portugal, if you just glanced at me you'd think Black man, so it is what it is...) I have been a victim of snide remarks, ignorance, and have had my share of fistfights defending my honor against the stupidity of bias.<br><br>What those of you have to understand is that unless you have been or had a person in your family touched by racism, you cannot understand it. And to just say "Get Over It" is like telling the Jews to get over the Holocaust- meaing that some will and some won't. Forgiveness is hard but it has it own rewards.<br><br>I am a cinema buff and love animation. Both of those mediums have protrayed blacks, and for that matter, EVERY race if you think about it, broken down to the most offensive depictions. I think the difference here is that whites have not been discriminated to the same degree, and those feeling run deep, even today. These things need to be dealt with, not just tossed off carelessly. It's the only way that we all can break free of the cycle.<br><br>I've been part of these talkbacks and (usually) I throw my two cents in and happy to let those who differ express themselves. And I try not to get preachy one way or the other. But issues like the one raised here are important to take the time to address. Sure, someone's going to tell me to screw off, lighten up, whatever. I thought it was important enough to say. END OF SERMON.

You don't even realize that your second sentence "…What we see as offensive today was just the norm back then…" is a justification of the mentality. Do you honestly think there were no complaints back then? No dude, there were plenty of criticisms, fairly consistently. Mostly made by the people being ridiculed.<br><br>Statements like that are always used to justify the sentiments of the past, usually without completely understanding the context. We're not talking about cartoons that transcend the stereotypical images like "Coal Black and de Sebbin' Dwarves" or "Tin Pan Alley Cats".

Let's be clear: Calling Harry a racist for posting the cartoon is nonsense. It would be different if he posted the thing and extolled the virtues of the cartoon based on it caricatures alone. So give the big man a break.<br><br>By the by, someone above mentioned the caricatures of famous people... it made me go look up some things about the period. It was most prevalent in the late 30s and into the 50s that a lot of actors and celebs were caricatured. But when different ethnic groups were represented, regardless of their acting roles, the caricatures centered more around their ethnicity and less about their roles.<br><br>Oh, and Blazing Saddles was funmy as hell.

black=big lips and lazy<br><br>
asian=slant eyes and bad english<br><br>
latino=bean eating and illegals<br><br>
white=rednecks and trailer parks<br><br>
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women=second class
gay=don't ask don't tell
disabled=freak
RACISM=IGNORANCE.<br><br>
No matter who, no matter what, no matter why, it does us all NO GOOD.<br><br>Damn, getting too preachy, let's get back to discussing the remake of (insert name of movie they're wasting their time making but we'll just bitch about it anyway)

First off, don't treat me like a schmuck. If you want to have an intelligent discussion, act like an adult. I'll be happy to discuss this issue with you if you're so inclined and in a civil mood. If not, either just don't address me or take your attitude elsewhere. The internet grants you certain a certain degree of anonymity, but it shouldn't free you from basic manners.<p>
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I'm by no ignorant to the notion that there were complaints of this stuff at the time. As a minority myself, I am well aware of racism in this world. However, in generations prior, the notion of being "politically correct" simply didn't exist. This was a fabrication of post-hippie & emerging yuppie culture.<p>
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In the years that preceded the civil rights movement, and many that followed, certain racial, ethnic, & religious stereotypes were not only common, but were accepted. That is not to say that they were acceptible. Being accepted and being acceptable are two entirely different things. Just because stereotypes that were promoted in the likes of Amos & Andy or something like the headhunter in the The Little Rascals accepted doesn't mean they were acceptable. No doubt, people complained and rightfully so.<p>
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Social standards change with each passing generation. In my parent's generation, it was just an accepted fact that white people had their bathrooms and "coloreds" had theirs. Was that acceptable? Hell no! Was it accepted? Sure. And, for those who didn't accept or tolerate it, they're the ones who helped to change the world.<p>
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I'm a 4th generation American of Puerto Rican descent. My parents were born in PR. My mom is pasty, pasty white. My dad is a modest olive color. Once, in the early 70s, a touch before I was born, they took a cross country road trip. Naive youngsters that they were, they stopped in a gas station in the deep South. <p>
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This was one of those places seemingly untouched by any political movement. Having to use the facilities, they asked attendant where the bathrooms were. My mom was directed to hers, but was told that her n****r husband would have to hold it. Fair? No. Acceptable? No. Accepted? Unfortunately, yeah, especially in that part the country and at that time in history.<p>
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Nobody ever said that either stereotypes or racism were fair. However, they exist. At certain points in our history, they're even tolerated, albeit with vehement protest.<p>
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My grandparents' world was as different for to my parents as theirs would be to me and mine would be to my 2yr old nephew.<p>
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I don't justify the sentiments of the past. I acknlowledge that they exist. I just know that the times change. When I was a kid, the idea of an interracial couple on TV was damn near blasphemous. The first ones were groundbreaking. Today, we don't even blink twice, at least most of us don't. Cycle back to my parents' generation, the mere existence an interacial couple would have resulted in a hanging.<p>
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The world is a living, breathing organism. It evolves and bends to the whim of its component cells (eg. its people). We weren't always as refined as we are now. We aren't, now, nearly as refined as we one day will be. That's just how it works.<p>
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I'm not going to justify the racist content in old school cartoons. I will acknowledge them as being a product of their times. Do I groan at seeing white guys play Native Americans in old cowboy movies or head hunters in jungle movies? Sure, but I know that this was how it was then.<p>
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Would I tolerate it now? ABSOLUTELY NOT. I became darn near physically ill at having seen Willem Dafoe play a Mexican in "Once Upon a Time in Mexico." Not only was it unnecessary, but it was blatantly offensive, both in as a casting decision and in his pathetically stereotyped portrayal. <p>
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I also groan whenever I see political cartoons and their offensively stereotyped characterizations of muslims & Arabs. It sickens me as much as the old "slap a Jap" comic stuff of WWII.<p>
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It's NOT acceptible, but I know that, with the world being what it is, this is what is accepted today. This is not a justification, rather an acknowlegement. I know that things will be different tomorrow. One day, what is acceptable and what is accepted will reach a happy middle point. Today, not so much. <p>
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True change of this sort starts in the hearts. That takes time. Not days, weeks, or even years. I'm talk about generations. Hopefully, my nephew's grandkids will inherit a more enlightened world than I did. Progress just takes time. It would be ignorant to say otherwise. It takes a shitload more than a "Yes we can" poster.

I didn't care for the way the cartoon portrayed the white characters as sinister (jack-in-the-box), alcoholic (W.C. Fields), violent (toy soldiers), homosexual (little sailor boy), helpless (blind girl), oafish (fat policeman), and whorish ("come up and see you sometime" rag doll). Look, I'm just fuckin' around, but seriously I hate that cartoon. Awful. I fucking hate creepy, self-aware broken crippled toys. Nightmares. I'm a grown-ass man and I still have a phobia about dolls. I fucking hate dolls with every ounce of me. I especially hate some kind of terrible eyeless rag doll with stitched on hands feeling her way around. Are you kidding me with this? Nightmare. And yeah, that Raggedy Ann and Andy movie you guys were talking about bothered the shit out of me too when I was a kid. I really didn't like that French doll, Babbette or whatever the fuck her name was. ....Jesus, I need a shrink. Or some drugs or something.

I'm not saying that we don't have a long way to go before we can be considered enlightened. We do. However, as with everything here in the US-of-A, we take it to the extreme.<p>
In an effort to be all inclusive, we end up excluding. In an effort to understand, we end up pandering. We're not nearly as enlightened as we think that we are and it's a shame.<p>
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This whole political correctness thing is crap. You don't have to exclude white people just to include more blacks or hispanics. You don't have to make every kid a winner to make them feel bad for losing. You don't have to make up euphemisms when you're afraid to acknowledge a fat person's girth.<p>
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I think that we're going about the whole tolerance & integration thing the wrong way. PC stuff is made up by activists & politicians with nothing better to do.<p>
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I want a better world, but there are better ways. <p>
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For this reason, I'm against affirmative action. I fought my way to get into prep school & college. I earned every damn A & I'm proud of it. I wouldn't have felt the same had my admission to either been tainted by me being part of some quota. I totally agree about the so-called "reverse discrimination" thing going around. I get it. It sucks. It's not something I to which I want to contribute. <p>
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Kinda feel like going all Rodney King. "Can't we all just get along?" =) *sigh*

When I said whites can't understand it, you kind of proved what I was saying. It's deeper than being denied opportunites or who is the more "dominant" group. Racism denied people their EXISTENCE. Slavery, World War II, tribal genocide in Africa, and on and on. <br><br>In fact, America's dominant group was not white Americans, they were the Native Americans. And we know how that turned out.<br><br>Hope I clarified my position, and appreciate the comment.

...is a UK animated project from 1995 (the same year as Toy Story), starring Bob Hoskins about two discarded toys trying to find new owners. It's worth finding, but might have been even better with Hoskins going all Long Good Friday on the little bastards who threw him out.

Not saying that they should be discriminated against. I wouldn't dare. However, it's almost a bad thing to be a white guy nowadays. You might as well fuck yourself with a chainsaw if you're white AND rich too. Society damn near hates you and wants you to burn. Sure, we see the exact opposite on TV and in other media, but I think that we're now at a point where white guilt is so prevalent that they feel like shit for existing and apologize even when they don't have to. ... Not that way with every white guy. Don't want to generalize there, I can see how some white guys WOULD get it while some wouldn't.<p>
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Anyway, I'm not even sure that made sense. Not one bit. Went to a Cinco de Mayo party tonight & I'm still pretty toasted. =) If it made no sense.... Ignore the fuck out of me. LOL

— but to say that these elements were 'accepted' is false. Blatantly false. It was the dominant cultures mainstream viewpoint; a one sided one that is often conflated with 'a societal norm', because, y'know, the other views don't count.<br><br> Understand, the communities that were consistently ridiculed understood the ramifications of how images shaped perceptions of ethnic identity. There is no debate about this. They often reacted against these depictions by including protesting, writing articles, and producing their own films, partially to counteract these images. It wasn't about being hyper-sensitive to these depictions, it was the simple fact that these images added to the general consensus that People of Colour were subhuman. People were being lynched. People were being shot. And if you can put enough distance between someone and their humanity, it's easier to negate it.<br><br>Accepted? No. Not to the people who were depicted.

There has been change in this country. The fact that a black man was elected President says a lot. But remember, when whites were pushing forward, there were multitudes of enslaved blacks and the asian, italian and irish were used in that effort, and more often than not the whites profited. But they were the catalyst for change, for good and for ill.

— within the context of race or gender politics is essentially a reaction against the loss of privilege — it is based on the rejection of the violent social upheval that took place during the 1960's. Those movements expanded the scope and dialogue of society and illuminated the mainstream by including the experiences of the 'other'. Those 'values' that were once held sacred were challenged when other voices were added to the fray and demanded an audience.<br><br>We're not talking about it's current (and false) label — the emasculation of drama, censoring Saturday Morning Cartoons, or soft-pedaling 'difficult' subject matter to be palatable to a mass audience. We're talking about challenging the basic assumptions in the dominant culture and how those assumptions weren't inclusive, except as 'exotic primitives',or something that can reaffirm the comfort of the mainstream. That's where the term came from.<br><br>

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Probably not.<p>
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Black on black crime fills the news headlines. It gives a bad name to all of the truly good black people.<p>
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Stupid gang wars over colors and non-existent turf makes gangs like the Latin Kings here in NY make the Bronx sound like a post-apocalyptic battleground. Nothing could be further from the truth.<p>
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Minorities lower themselves everyday in comedies where they themselves further stereotypes. Comics like Carlos Mencia do way worse for Mexicans than some cartoon like Speedy Gonzalez. Black people who refer to each other as n***a this and n***a that aren't taking power away from the "n word" they've empowering it.<p>
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Want to know what makes people of color look subhuman? Ignorant people of color.<p>
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More often than not, our own people tend to be our own worst enemy. For every Barack Obama and Sonia Sotomayor, there are probably hundreds of Snoop Doggs or Mencias that hurt the images of their own people.<p>
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Cartoons like this or old school portrayals are way less hurtful than what we, as a people do to ourselves.<p>
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Black guys? Does a loud mouth like Al Sharpton REALLY speak for all of you? Probably not. Don't you absolutely love it when Kanye goes on TV and makes all black people look like morons? Probably not either. What about gangsta rappers? Aren't you delighted when one of them gets into trouble and every white guy thinks that you're just like him, carrying a glock and able to so easily rap? Shit no. Right?<p>
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Every time a black/hispanic/whatever guy skips out on his baby's momma, he does a disservice to his community. Every time an idiot gets arrested for dog fights, he lumps everybody in his community into a small box. Whitey isn't the enemy. The media isn't the enemy. We are. <p>
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Might not be popular to say, but we need to get our shit together. One man CAN make a difference. Unfortunately, that difference is usually negative.<p>
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Man I'm bummed right now. =P

Halfbreedqueen, now I agree with you totally. rSanta, wish i could disagree but cannot. As much as racism is a fact, it is not exclusive to external factors. We aid and abet the destruction of our races by the inability to recognize we can do better. Bill Cosby got all over this and black people got pissed. Truth is truth; and if we cannot respect one another in our own community, we can't cry when someone who doesn't look like us does it. BUT that's one part of the whole solution, and at least its a work in progress. <br><br>alright, now i am out.

— but, there are so many variables to that equation. There is a staggering amount of idiocy coming from all sides. People of Colour must ABSOLUTELY take control of their communities and hold people accountable. But, we're talking about representation here.<br><br>And, for all the hip hop artists that do incredibly stupid things there are a stack of others who will never get the same exposure. For all the obnoxious and lazy comedies ("Soul Plane" etc.) their are many, many independent artists trying to get their movies seen. Or trying to get them funded and told "There just isn't a market for this kind of movie." Yet, Mumblecore still survives as a 'vital' independent film movement (never mind that Black and Latino people are usually peripheral characters, just like most mainstream movies — uh, "The Blind Side" anyone?).<br><br>Ever wonder why easier to sell a story about a crackhead than a college graduate? The simple fact that 'if it bleeds, it leads.' There are literally THOUSANDS of stories about people who don't fit the stereotypes you mentioned — they'll never make the evening news unless their involved in a tragedy. But, they keep living their lives.<br><br>So, the question should be, 'how do you make the non-tragic, focused, life-affirming story prominent, without resorting to cheap sentimental bilge?

I grew up in a household where my parents always encouraged me to speak my mind, even when it was against them. I went to prep school and college, where I was encouraged to do the same. I simply cannot imagine what it must be like to live in a place like China where they silence the voice of dissent.<p>
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I'm like the whitest hispanic guy ever, but I guess truly I'm happy to at least be living in a time and a part of the world where I can speak my mind as a hispanic and not be afraid that somebody will bean me with a brick. (Then again, my redneck hillbilly brother in-law might. LOL)<p>
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I guess what bums me out a little is the fact that I may try so hard not to give a crap about this stuff, but I'm in a world where this is the stuff that seems to matter the most. My nephew's half Asian and this is not the world I want him to inherit. I want him to be judged by the color of his character and nothing more. It just won't be that way. I'm not bummed for myself, but for him

Unfortunately, life affirming & positive doesn't sell as well. We all love to read about a guy rising to prominence, but we sure as hell love to watch him fall even more. <p>
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We're in a society that's heavily driven and carefully crafted by a sensationalistic media. Not to sound old, but it wasn't this way when I was a kid. News was news and nothing more. It didn't dig for dirt. It didn't hound and haunt. It was about the facts, more or less. Today, especially with cable and the internet, we dig into everything and in every way. And since, like sex, horror & tragedy sell more than happy stories, we're inundated with the bad stuff ever more. By the truckload.<p>
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I'm not a fan of Tyler Perry. Actually, I think that he's a hack. However, I can't fault the guy for trying to tell positive stories about good, honest people of color. I don't like him, but at least he tries. If only we can get a hundred more like him, intention-wise.<p>
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I wish I had the answers. Best I can say is that I try my hardest to be a positive role model. Maybe those in my life will pay it forward and it'll domino from there on.<p>
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Like I said, one man CAN effect change through his actions. He just has to make sure that those actions are positive.<p>
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If enough people do this over time, maybe we'll hear more about this good stuff on the news. One can only hope. Glass half full, right?

who the first black cartoon characters were? both offensive & non-offensive? just wondering, i don't really have a knowledge of toons' pre-80's. and while i'm asking, does the 'toy story' world have any characters that aren't white? i'm not a pixar savant either & am curious.

— that if you share the same skin with someone, that you are a fan of their work. The person with the highest visibility somehow becomes the 'representative' of that ethnicity. My latino friends are asked "You like Carlos Mencia, right?" Or my Asian friends become ambassadors of Asian Films (even if it's from a different culture). So, while I can't name a single person who likes Tyler Perry's work, from a media standpoint, he's Black so the assumption is that I'd have more in common with him than say Christopher Nolan or Steve McQueen (the director, not the actor).<br><br>That's simply a product of the revenue Perry generates for Lionsgate (apparently 1/3 of their revenue). Someone must be watching his movies. And, while I can be thrilled at his success, I'd rather watch "Children of Men" or something by Fincher, or Junet et Caro. But, now we're discussing taste.<br><br>The irony is that when someone like Chris Cherot did "Hav Plenty" or Wendell B. Harris did "Chameleon Street" those films would never play as well, because they're not in a mainstream voice. They appeal to people who aren't interested in a reductive approach to their lives (oh wait! — just like Mumblecore, right? Strewth.) and these films contain references to films that are probably obscure to mainstream audiences.

I am a black man, and I think all of these old racist stereotypes are funny as hell. People need to lighten up and stop taking everything so seriously. Nothing about this cartoon screams hate, and stereotypes exist for a reason. Just grow up and get over it.

In some cases (again "Coal Black" and some of the Avery stuff) I can agree. But, when less talented artists produce it — you just feel like kicking someone in the cock. If Black, Asian, First Nation people had an opportunity to do the same, I'd have no issue. But, Avery and Clampett were geniuses. Harmon/Ising? Not so much.<br><br>I mean a modern day take on using stereotypes to make interesting points is "The Boondocks"

http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/697057/0/rec/genesis/apocalipsis/ in spanish, but basically Genesis is the prequel and will be directed by Paco Plaza and Apocalypse will be directed by Jaume Balagueró and will kick off right after the ending of REC 2, which I found even better than the first one. Good news, even thought these directors don't work that well when on their own, they're awesome when together, though

I would love if there was a constant thread where we could slag off the ads for rubbish toys on aintitcool. Like that one on the home page with the True-Type African American figurine which just happens to look exactly like Obama.

Of course racism towards whites is still acceptable which is complete bullshit. If a black or mexican can call me cracker then I have every right to call them a nigger or a spick. Freedom of speech is awesome.

There's a scene in IM2 where Rhodey's War Machine armor is hijacked remotely. So Rhodey can't control what he's doing. Tony (as IM) radios to JARVIS to help get control of the suit back. His words: "Come on--I need to OWN him."<p>
Don't think my black brothers and I didn't catch that line. They could have phrased it any other way, but no.

Toy Story 4: Woody and Buzz rescue an old Stepin Fetchit doll from a junkpile. Their new friend later leads a rescue of Jesse, who is kidnapped by a grown-up Syd. Using break-dancing and carjacking skills, Stepin saves the day.

What's the problem with that? If they're sitting together, it's an honest mistake if she asked how they knew each other. They're SITTING TOGETHER. She might have made the same error with two white people sitting together. Was there more to the story?

Yes, of course it was an honest mistake. She made an assumption. No offence was intended, but that doesn't mean no offence was taken. It's certainly the last situation you'd want to find yourself in whilst on stage, discussing racism. Hence her recounting her horror.

Which illustrates something: Had the comedianne been black, and made that mistake of two whites in the audience, I'm 98% sure the whites wouldn't have been offended. Which begs the question, SHOULD they be? And if not, why would blacks be?<p>
Just a thought for sake of discussion. For all I know, maybe they WERENT offended, but need the comedianne have felt "horror" or guilt over her error?

I understand what you're saying, but even if everyone laughed it off, how would YOU feel in her shoes? Ultimately, the story was about the comedienne (a minority) making an assumption about another minority. There's an important point in there somewhere. Lock the doors - no one's leaving until we've found it ;)

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is that considered "hurtful"? <p>
As a honkey-honkey, I thought it fulfilled the pretext of saying only things - ahem - "people of color" can say because it was written by a "person of color" and directed by a Jewish man . . . and the Jews were a persecuted peoples, as everyone who is not an Iranian dictator knows. <p>
Is anyone else tired of trying to figure out what all we're supposed to feel bad about that we had nothing to do with? I sure as hell am.

So in 60 years I guess Murphy's Nutty Professor movies and the entire Chappelle show are going to be the most racist shit of all time.<P>
Take note black comedians, this will be your legacy, when you are dead people won't be talking about how funny you were, but how racist your bits were.<P>
Tyler Perry probably isn't even safe.

When Tintin goes to congo he buys "a boy" as a guide, and the congolies carry tintin around. I guess if he went to china and got in a rickshaw, he would be racist then to?
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/tintin-is-racist/615897/

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Your not discussing racism, your discussing your right to 'free speech.' Well, if those hypothetical name-calling idiots decide to exercise their 'free speech' they SHOULD face consequences. But, don't mistake your hypothetical as 'racism'. You obviously have no idea what it is.

The toys repair each other and then deliver themselves to an orphanage on Christmas Eve. Awwwww. Really, a cartoon like this has a charm lacking in anything being made today. Not that there aren't a lot of good cartoons now...but there's an innocence that's been lost. Too bad. Glad we lost the stereotypes too, though. But we need to remember that Stepin Fetchit was a CHARACTER, created by a fine comic actor, just like W.C.Field's drunken blowhard was a CHARACTER created by another fine comic actor. I agree with those here that say that some black comedians are just as detrimental to blacks' image as was Stepin Fetchit. I don't see much progress between portrayals of blacks as lazy laggards and as obscene misogynistic thugs. JMHO.

I will agree that many Irish catholic males are pugnacious drunks.<p>
What I'm saying is a lot of stereotypes have basis in fact. Which is why I'm not offended by the "Fighting Irish" leprechaun logo of Notre Dame. Conversely, many people think the Cleveland Indians logo is offensive (Chief Wahoo) granted no one cares much these days because the Tribe sucks.

I will agree that many Irish catholic males are pugnacious drunks.<p>
What I'm saying is a lot of stereotypes have basis in fact. Which is why I'm not offended by the "Fighting Irish" leprechaun logo of Notre Dame. Conversely, many people think the Cleveland Indians logo is offensive (Chief Wahoo) granted no one cares much these days because the Tribe sucks.

of early high school days when the administrators told us not to yell racial slurs out the windows of the bus while going home.<p>
Naturally, we cracked those windows and yelled "Racial slur! Racial slur!" immediately

Stepin Fetchit was a brilliant comedian who was typecast by the studios. He wasn't hired to perform his other material, only his trademark character. How that would compare to Dave Chappelle's career is ludicrous.<br><br>@FeralAngel. The only way certain Black comedians could be "…just as detrimental to blacks' image as was Stepin Fetchit…" is 1.) If said comedians are taken as a representative of an entire ethnicity (see my post above about Tyler Perry) — would anyone think that Andrew Dice Clay represented ALL white people? Or the Jerky Boys? 2.)The Black comedians didn't have a choice in what material they could perform. They do. And, when their lacking they will be taken to task. Watch the YouTube clip where Jamie Foxx destroys an unfunny comedian. It's painful to watch.

I'm a white guy and I completely get what you're saying and agree with everything I read (although, I admit, I only read a couple posts of yours after your lengthy post)... but still. From what I did read, well said.

Thanks, Harry, don't know if it was the context of seeing it on your site or seeing it after CAT SHIT ONE but that was Surreal!! Loved the theme, though -- that of the broken and outcast coming together and fixing/healing each other. In troubled times like these, we could all use some of that. And I loved that they returned to the orphanage to give themselves away -- honoring their greater purpose. Really cool! Thanks.

Hate you D.Vader, I hope you get your balls whacked off with a rusty butter knife. Harry....Big Red One....I'm sorry for that knee jerk reaction. Everyone that didn't like what I had to say can suck my fucking dick. You probably don't care Harry but to some people that shit as cartoony as it can be touches on a sensitive subject. I don't expect you to apologize...just be aware of the people you play host to. As for every single one of you cowardly motherfuckin baby killers who chose to diss me, Get the fuck off my balls and ride your own dick.

How in the hell does Disney World feature "Splash Mountain," a ride based on Uncle Remus characters (as they are rendered in the Song of the South animation), but Disney still refuses to release the movie on DVD?!? Yes, society has moved on, but the movie is a cultural artifact (and a fun one at that). As a child in the 70's, I actually remember going to see the movie in one of the theaters at the Disney World Contemporary hotel . . .

I used to watch it as a kid and I never thought it was particularly racist. There were racist people in the film, but the film itself was not racist towards black people, unless I'm remembering it wrong. I don't see how that film is any worse than Blazing Saddles.

You know what's batshit? We in AZ have been paying billions of dollars dealing with illegal immigration for years, and the Federal Government hasn't done a damn thing about it. The amount of crime here in Arizona related to illegals is getting worse, and the Federal government just shrugs when we try to bill them.
Our law in AZ is a lot fairer than the equivilent Mexican laws. Under the arguments of the SB 1070 people, no one is qualified to arrest someone who is here illegally. No other country is expected to look the other way when people flood across their border; why should we?
And, Robert Rodriguez, you arrogant numb fuck, tell you what. Why don't YOU go to Mexico illegally, and see how you fare? They will throw your prima donna ass in prison, and it won't have a fucking thing to do with the color of your skin - Mexico treats ALL illegal aliens as FELONS. The AZ law just reaffirms Federal law and makes it a state misdemeanor.

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Is a silly cartoon, black people were portrayed as they were in that time. If they do a cartoon now a black guy could be portrayed as the president of the nation. So why keep complaining? Is History. Is what it is. Harry is right. We're not racist. You are. Idiots.