Oh, yes. Because in the '60s, when Desmond had his hit, he was working the black clubs and the white clubs. But black folks are not loyal fans. If you're current, yes. But if you're not current, anymore, then that's it. But with white folks, like for instance, jazz. There was a time when jazz was a black thing, but then white folks just take it as their own. It becomes a white thing. There was a time when rock and roll was a black thing. Of course, a lot of people think white folks create rock and roll, which is amazing. You understand?

Yeah, I suppose you had first-hand experience with reggae becoming not just a white thing, but a skinhead thing.

Oh, the skinhead just totally capture, I wouldn't say "reggae," I would say "Desmond's music." The skinheads, Desmond is their god. And then they discovered Laurel Aitken. But Desmond was their god. Because we been to places where people said it was all National Front skinhead.

Did you talk to any of these people?

Oh, yes. I mean, me, personally, when we go to some places that we know that they're National Front. But they just love Desmond's music, I said, "On Saturday night they jump to reggae music, and on Sunday they go kick head in." [laughs]

Were these guys racists?

People used to say they're Nazis. But as far as Desmond was concerned, they were fans. They loved Desmond. I don't know if they like black people, but Desmond was theirs.

Was his fashion style influential? It seemed like the skinheads were copying the way he looked.

Yes, and the mods with the short pants, and the rude boys in the short pants. You know, Desmond's trousers used to be three-quarter length, above his boots. And you look at the rude boys and skinheads today, their trousers stop above the boots. That's Desmond.