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Perry Belcher could store three fat ladies :: or one Newt Gingrich :: in his neck sacks. But that was a skill of little virtue in his battle with the fake robot :: which began with this March 2009 post. By September 2009 :: Evil Jowls had begun his capitulation in the comments of a post about this fraudulent Facebook ad …

That $56 million number is totally made up :: and it anyway includes mostly money made from Belcher’s decade long health fraud scam … detailed here in detail. The ad is a flagrant violation of Belcher’s probation {like almost everything else he does that doesn’t involve eating burritos}. He admitted as much in the comments …

First: My $56M career sales claim, while factual does indeed include sales from Selmedica, and that’s wrong.

Based on that I have decided to remove all career sales totals from my ads. If I ever decide to ever use career sales numbers in the future any sales I made from Selmedica will be removed from that total. Point taken.

Point taken. Well :: that’s good to hear … it’s a violation that cuts straight to the core of the probation terms … not to mention the original crime … so it’d be unfortunate for society if it were allowed to go on continuously unchecked.

But a few days later in private conversation with the The Droid :: Perry was back to claiming purity …

“Based on our conversations of late, I have recently sent in all my materials and activities (again) for review by the my lawyers, my probation officer, prosecutors and even the Judge in my case, especially the things you have recently brought to light, and so far everyone says I am operating within the parameters of my agreement.

So why is your take so different?”

I guess the Judge knows about The Syndicate … I guess famed Memphis criminal attorney Leslie Ballin signed off on a cartel-hyped muilti-thousand dollar how-to Twitter frauduct … I guess Tennessee Attorney General William Gibbons can’t understand how counting the proceeds from your computer crimes in your “and you can too!” Internet marketing is a violation of the law :: AND of the special conditions of Belcher’s probation …

You know … either that or Perry Belcher was lying.

Robots not impressed by lame liars :: and after approximately twenty “shut your fat lying face” email smack downs … Belcher decided to agree to most of my terms and fake surrender.

But I was testing … and watching. Not everything has to be done right now grasshoppers. Aggression paired with patience makes a robot warrior unstoppable :: some famous old Chinese person prolly said that shit … so you know it’s true.

Would it be better to isolate members of the cartel and pick them off by forcing others in the group to exert negative social pressures … or attack them all at once and let them sink sticking together? The latter is the obvious answer :: but the more naive me-at-the-time was partial to the former.

Within days of Belcher’s fake surrender :: The Syndicate started trying to push me off on Jeremy Johnson. “The Perry thing’s over :: the rest of our french for trade union is innocent … move along now smart ass.”

I’m so bad at moving along though. You get used to something … you know? And then you just don’t want to give it up until some useless fat people are incarcerated for an appropriately protracted period.

Belcher mostly never stopped breaching the terms of our agreement :: and I mostly pretended to ignore it excepts this one hilarious time. Oh and this …

… quite tasteful.

Every year {or something} Perry and Ryan invite people to their stupid offices for a wildly inappropriate fee. They used to call it a “field trip” and charge $10K :: but now it’s called a “Traffic and Conversion Summit” … and it’s only $997 {plus $2000 honor system}.

“The Wildcard” is considered the World’s greatest living conversion expert and one of the World’s top 3 living copywriters. Perry has sold HUNDREDS of millions of dollars worth of products online himself and BILLIONS for his private clients.

In addition, he is an international importer, a consultant to 8 figure plus companies, and a venture capitalist who now after his semi-retirement, spends most of his time buying and selling companies.

Perry retired from teaching in 2009, pulled all his products from the market, and canceled all future speaking engagements. The ONLY place to see him and learn from his vast experience is at this one conference.

He is a mesmerizing speaker and an infamous marketing legend. Don’t miss him.

So now he’s sold double the amount he stated two years ago when he admitted that the already bullshit $56 million figure incorporated his criminal earnings? He’s not gonna do that anymore :: point taken :: unless he needs to do it twice as hard for some reason important to ongoing fraud … of course.

Well … the truce is over you saggy :: neck-scrotum having :: felonious bastard.

Watch how hard my already metal foot can pound back down on the accelerator.

Nobody “almost” goes to jail for selling too many dietary supplements. Though they’ve had their run-ins with the FDA, every year GNC grosses nearly 50 times what Perry claims Selmedica did “one time,” and nobody’s gone or “almost” gone to jail as far as I know:

in·fa·mous
adjective
1. having an extremely bad reputation: an infamous city.
2. deserving of or causing an evil reputation; shamefully malign; detestable: an infamous deed.
3. Law.
a. deprived of certain rights as a citizen, as a consequence of conviction of certain offenses.
b. of or pertaining to offenses involving such deprivation.

It’s outrageous that Perry Belcher NOW claims he was just selling “dietary supplements.”

That’s NOT what he told your friends, neighbors, grandmothers, and other relatives when he was selling them medical CURES for very serious health conditions…close to *100* fraudulent cures…for serious illnesses such as DEPRESSION…which can lead to SUICIDE. That’s cold blooded and heartless!

@Jasper, Seems the Belcher has a friend.. :) Post more comments guys Amazon lets them stick …. (His book has been reduced from $9.99 to 99 cents… must be selling really well). Took your advice about getting a mention of Salty’s site in there.

@Alley-Cat (aka Spike), The Perry Belcher fanboy who posted the rebuttal to your comment on Amazon is “Claude Whitacre” from “Wooster, Ohio” who also posted a Brunson-love comment trashing SD and everyone here:

“When a person is convicted of a crime, the trial judge may order probation. The Adult Probation Department (CSCD) is responsible for supervising adults on court-ordered probation and monitoring their compliance with the conditions set forth by the court.”

State of Tennessee Board of Probation and Parole
(State in which Perry Belcher was convicted and sentenced to 10 years probation, subject to being sent to jail if he violated probation terms)http://www.tn.gov/bopp/contact_us.htm

“I have sold well over $100 million worth of products online and have spent tons and tons of time and energy learning how to push sites to the top of the search engine ranks.”

So why not stop?

Isn’t $100 million enough for you?

I emailed Ed Dale once and asked him why someone who claimed to have billions in the bank continued to con people out of money with something called the Immediate Edge (a $97 a month frauduct that is the upsell from his so called “free” challenge email spam scam) but he didn’t reply.

I asked him why he continued to pimp out his kids as social media collateral but he didn’t reply.

Suggested sections:
* Scumbags exposed – where people can post their stories.
* Shitstorm section – where people can discuss current shitstorms around various people.
* Droid leaks – where people can post absolutely any kind of information that they come across.
* General discussion – discussion about everything else.

You can prodbably come up with some more. A forum would be great. At least a real BB where we can use all the functionality of a real bulletin board. :)

You cannot believe a thing these people say to you. Any resemblance of remorse or change of ways is just a smoke screen and yet another one of endless attempts to manipulate you and mind fuck you to the max.

As for “mesmerizing speaker”: I haven’t personally heard TDBIQ (new acronym: The Douche Bag In Question) speak, but if he’s anything like the rest of his ilk (and how could he not be?) then the one actual marketable skill he has is that he can speak to a large group and get people to believe him. So that part’s true too.

I apologize for getting all over-intellectual but, “mesmerizing” is the exactly-perfect word if you happen to know its etymology [etymonline.com]:

mesmerism
1802, from Fr. mesmérisme, named for Franz Anton Mesmer (1734-1815), Austrian physician who developed a theory of animal magnetism and a mysterious body fluid which allows one person to hypnotize another.

It’s hard for me to believe that, that level of irony can occur naturally. I have to suspect the copywriter saw/knew the double meaning of that sentence, and wrote it anyway.
—
Furry cows moo and decompress.

When I pulled stats this morning, I was shocked to see
further proof that your people are dying for something to
do on Black Friday (besides mess with the crowds).

The average opt-in rate from affiliates for this has been
OVER 60%!!!

Which means – if you send it, they will come.

And if you send em, we will close them for you.

That’s what we do.

I’ve got 2 swipes in this email; TODAY’S swipe and
TOMORROW’S swipe. Drop today’s and queue up tomorrow’s
and you’ll be able to chill for Thanksgiving, knowing
that your business is making money while you stuff yourself.

Again, here’s how the PRIZES work on this:
Since most of us will be doing a lot of shopping in the coming
weeks, we’re sending all the contest winners Amazon giftcards.
With these, you can buy damn near anything for damn near anybody,
so you can do all of your shopping from the house, the
coffeeshop, wherever.

The size of your Amazon card will be based on the number of
REGISTRANTS you send to the BFB training next Friday.
250 registered = $250 Amazon Gift Card
500 registered = $500 Amazon Giftcard
1000 registered = $2000 Amazon Giftcard (2x Bonus)

I actually met the guy before and he’s one of the few who actually showed me a couple of things that made me money (though not with twitter). Very nice in person, too – one of the few people in the marketing area who you can discuss basic politics and the financial crisis with without getting reminded of either preschoolers or Rush Limbaugh rhetoric.

It’s sad that he still doesn’t appear to have fully learned from his past. Although he’s usually pretty open about the conviction, the details are always a kind of blurry Kern-type “I made some mistakes and the government likes to take money from rich people so there”. Nah, you sold snake oil, time to suck it up and take full responsibility. It’s scary, sure, but it should beat living a lie, or a very broadly defined half-truth.

@Clark, I’ve never met Perry Belcher, but I once worked for a guy years ago who was just like him in nearly every behavioral respect. I know his kind – I can spot them miles away. They have no moral compass or genuine human empathy. Perry Belcher is THE classic sociopath. Very charming and gregarious on the surface, but very cold underneath.

This is a person who is dishonest to the core and, as SD once described him, lies by reflex. Ultimately, though people like that may smile and appear to be your ‘friend,’ they will also immediately throw you to the wolves the moment it serves them.

There is a comment on Mike Young’s blog post about Belcher’s arrest, made by someone who once worked for Belcher and saw the “real” person behind the facade, and it was very telling. You can read it here:

Make no mistake. Left unchecked, Perry Belcher will continue to defraud people and those activities will multiply and grow worse. He has not stopped his deceptions, and in fact, he resumed his fraudulent activities before the ink had even dried on his parole papers.

Well, it’s just sad. As much as I like to trash IM products, his marketing stuff (with the exception of the social media launch, which I’ve ignored) is pretty solid and useful, not just for “businesses” inside the get-rich-quick area.

He’s clearly a smart guy and would surely make a lot more money helping a small tech startup or b&m business than by selling fake meds and then wearing it like a badge.

@Clark, That lament is essentially espousing that Belcher has “something to offer” despite the fact that he is an outright liar and fraudster, and his long time track record shows there is zero likelihood of his ever changing.

Not only does that not help the cause, but it just further elevates that sociopath and his potential for more damage. I’ve noticed that comment time and time again: “He might be a crook, but I can learn something from that crook.”

Don’t ever think he is reserving his lies for everyone but you.

Sometimes you HAVE to throw the (bad) baby out with the bathwater. Otherwise, society, and perhaps even you, will pay a price for feeding and enabling a predator just so you can learn some of that predator’s “hunting techniques.”

There may have been a time once when people felt they could improve their business management skills from reading “Mein Kampf” and just trying to overlook “the bad stuff.”

I disagree with that. If at some point Perry uses techniques that clearly defy legality, he deserves to be held accountable for that, but that doesn’t change the fact that his tactics on paid traffic are pretty useful – and that the fake med scam is over and a pretty strong deterrent against future scams in place.

I’m wouldn’t consider it “enabling” when I’m paying for something that I consider personally worthwhile. If he’s involved in other businesses, it should be the task of government agencies to track such things; I wouldn’t buy into the idea that I’m under moral obligation to boycott him, just because he’s not showing adequate signs of remorse for his past crimes.

To stay with your examples: I don’t think there’s anything useful contained in Mein Kampf, but there are books about the leadership skills of Genghis Khan which I’m enjoyed, although I clearly wouldn’t endorse his philosophy.

I generally dislike black/white judgments; it’s the same kind of binary thinking that annoyed me in the Myers discussion, although to much larger extent then here.

“If at some point Perry uses techniques that clearly defy legality, he deserves to be held accountable for that”

At “some point?” Belcher has committed MORE fraud since his felony conviction, so the more appropriate question would be, “at what point not?”

Have you even read all of the posts here about Belcher, including the comments which follow them? If you have, and that’s your thinking, I am speechless.

“I’m wouldn’t consider it “enabling” when I’m paying for something that I consider personally worthwhile. If he’s involved in other businesses, it should be the task of government agencies to track such things”

That comment is probably worthy of an entire S.D. post. It’s part and parcel as to how sociopathic grifters are often able to regroup and resume again after they’ve been caught.

@SD Speaking of supplement fraud, I had just digested this whole disgusting saga when I noticed @noradzone following me on Twitter. They are “the leading authority on nutrition and health as well as a provider of scientific information on anti-radiation supplements and therapies.” Ahem. (Meteoric rise, for a company incorporated this year.)

The whole site stinks. Lots of vague claims, scare stories (be ready for nuclear fallout!!) and terrible grammar. Supplements that imply (without saying outright) that they prevent cancer. Everything is pretty cheap, but it looks like “VIP autoship” is included, for your convenience.

Sample copy: “Because we have had so much success and have reached so many of people, we have a responsibility to go to the next level.”

I have a feeling it would be better if they didn’t reach so many more of people.

As someone who lives a lot closer to the leakiest nuclear power plant on the planet than they do, I’m angry at their fiery radiation symbol logo and scaremongering. Is there anything to do? I guess they’re not the usual IM suspects, but after reading about Mr. Belcher (nice that he saved you the trouble of making up a terrible name), who knows. I would have thought this was just relatively harmless internet noise til I read your stuff.http://www.no-rad-zone.com/FAQ.html

Is it a scam? Actual fraud? Or just some friendly fake scientists exercising their rights in a free market?

I write copy for nutritional supplements. So, I’m not unbiased, but I know what’s OK to do and what’s not.

First, the “vague claims” and “imply[ing] (without saying outright) that they prevent cancer” are actually what you have to do to follow FDA regulations. This blog post explains “the strange world of FDA regulation.”

On the product pages I clicked on, they cite references of actual medical trials supporting their structure-and-function claims. That’s what I do for my clients, and that’s what I want to see as a consumer. I can go over to PubMed and read those studies myself to verify what they’re saying.

Second, I don’t see autoship mentioned anywhere. Did you see it? All I see is “$5.50 Flat Rate Shipping. Free Shipping for orders $25.00 and over.” Anyway, autoship itself is perfectly legal, but you have to tell them they’re signing up for autoship right by the “Get My Free Sample Now” button. You can’t hide it in the fine print below the fold.

I’d say their fiery radiation symbol implies that their products protect from radiation, which would be illegal if untrue, but, at least for potassium iodide, there’s truth to it.

You can ask the FDA to review them, but here’s the FDA’s priorities when it comes to nutritional supplements:
1. Seize supplements coming in from overseas that contain heroine, cocaine, etc.
2. Seize U.S. supplements that contain prescription medications.
3. Seize supplements coming in from overseas that contain dangerous levels of mercury, arsenic, lead, etc.
4. Everything else.

Bottom line, yes, they are within their rights in this free market.

I welcome @Jack and @_cartman_ and anyone else to add anything I’ve overlooked.

@Lanna, Only GRASE info and not all the other you put us over to – all which seems interesting for me, especially big part about claims being FDA priority – at least not like it’s explained in the article the man wrote for me and other people named Jack.

@Concerned citizen, Well, there appears to be no names listed on the site, no address, and the site is also registered anonymously. You have to ask, “why?”

They are mainly pushing potassium iodide with fear based marketing. However, potassium iodide is widely available, and is sold over the counter very inexpensively, should someone want it for their personal armageddon stockpile.

The site totally smells like the bottom of a pair of recently field-worn cowboy boots.

@Jack, It meant to say eleven 45 minute classes, but probably 11 minutes would have been better to use the $10,000 for, because then the person could use the other time to do more productive/sensible things.

@Clark, Maybe Perry the felon Belcher’s “newsletter” will explain whatever that was supposed to be, along with barely-literate tips on how you too can be a convicted felon and fraudster just like he is.

That link gives my browser a 404, just as the first video gave my brain. Bashing politicians with lame overconfidence in a goanimate video is something I’d expect from my 14yo cousin, not a “old as dirt” copywriter. And the description makes it just more puzzling.

@Mike, He also looks like a guy who frequently EATS at Hornschmuggler’s Tavern and Saloon, judging by his chin count. If he wasn’t such a lying-tongued loudmouth, you’d need a bookmark to locate his mouth.