Excuse me while I take some time to mope in my beer.I just said goodbye to Telic Thoughts after about 6 months of posting there.

BTW, I have a BS Electrical Engineering with an MBA. I put myself down for BS Science.

Don't get me wrong, as ID Proponents go, the TT bunch are pretty intelligent and most want to be open minded. You see, I like to think I am pretty good at getting to the heart of issues and pointing them out (my engineering training). I think I did a pretty good job. I bent over backwards to put it in terms they could embrace by accepting all base ID assumptions (even Dembski's "math"). To no avail. If it didn't support Theism it wasn't a "science" they could find acceptable.

I know better than argue with anyone about their faith, but I thought that maybe with a little open-mindedness and a firm declaration it's about science and not religion, that maybe, just maybe I could make a dent.