tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post2181055759951768318..comments2016-06-25T19:29:59.191-04:00Comments on Biblical Evidence for Catholicism: Michael Voris Sez "Establishment" Apologists Are Financially Compromised, so that They Deliberately Avoid Criticizing BishopsDave Armstronghttps://plus.google.com/115516270318198347148noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-59699891048937281672013-09-02T17:41:20.338-04:002013-09-02T17:41:20.338-04:00I will check it out over there. Thanks.I will check it out over there. Thanks.Dave Armstronghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-46457840897636690472013-09-02T17:40:52.810-04:002013-09-02T17:40:52.810-04:00Hi Terry,
I did save my comment. So I could send ...Hi Terry,<br /><br /><i>I did save my comment. So I could send you an email, if I had any idea what your email was.</i> <br /><br />Once again: in the previous post, where you and Jay already commented, I said I&#39;d be happy to continue in e-mail correspondence, and gave my e-mail address. Here it is again:<br /><br />apologistdave [at] gmail [dot] com<br /><br />It&#39;s also not that difficult to find on my blog sidebar . . . <br /><br /><i>I included mine in my comment. I didn&#39;t see yours. It seems you prefer public communications.</i><br /><br />I prefer public exchanges when it is a case of a public critique being made regarding something I know about and wish to defend. Therefore, it&#39;s sensible that that is in public.<br /><br />If you respond now in your e-mail to my public response to your public counter-reply, that had to do with Vori&#39;s public video, I will also respond to THAT in public; it&#39;s only sensible.<br /><br />But as to this more personal conciliatory avenue, we can now take that private. That&#39;s fine. <br /><br /><i>What does it take to be more than a &quot;supporter&quot; of Michael Voris (which, in your commentary, is almost demeaning)? Do you have to work for him? Oh. That&#39;s right. I do. Just call the studio at 248-545-5716, ask for Bridget Gallagher (Michael&#39;s scheduling coordinator) and ask who I am. That&#39;s also the person to ask to set up some time to meet Michael.</i><br /><br />I don&#39;t know why you seem to be getting frustrated. There is no need to. You made strong public criticism; so did Michael; I replied. It&#39;s nothing personal; never was.<br /><br /><i>The purpose of your visit would be for you to meet him, and he you.</i><br /><br />Obviously; that&#39;s what a visit is! If we go about this sensibly, we should, IMO, try to seek congenial interaction between us, and then you can communicate to Michael that I am a nice guy, etc., and that helps a meeting between myself and Michael. That&#39;s just normal people stuff. I don&#39;t want to rush over there tomorrow. All he knows is that I&#39;m some guy who has written several critiques of his videos. I have heard that he at least knows my name.<br /><br /><i>Whatever follows depends entirely on the integrity of both parties.</i> <br /><br />Yes it does. My goal is to try to build some bridges and additionally, try to persuade Michael to at least take down these videos where he goes after apologists; to try to convince him that those are not in his best interest, the Church&#39;s, or anyone else&#39;s: that&#39;s it&#39;s a lose-lose proposition to go down that road.<br /><br /><i>You are more likely to meet the person who hosts the series &quot;The Majesty of God,&quot; &quot;Armor of God&quot; and &quot;The One True Faith.&quot; You are not likely to meet &quot;The Vortex,&quot; as that is a specific setting with the particular agenda of editorial commentary.</i><br /><br />Okay; I&#39;ve never seen the other ones. I&#39;ve seen one or two &quot;Mike&#39;d Up&quot; or whatever it is called . . . <br /><br /><i>Write to me at my email address and I will be happy to send you what I tried to post.</i> <br /><br />I gave you my e-mail above. Please, by all means, send it.<br /><br /><i>If you would rather not, Dr. Jay Boyd has offered to post it on her blog as a standalone blog posting with links to you.</i><br /><br />I&#39;d love to see what she thinks of my reply, too, since it was also to her!<br /><br />God bless!Dave Armstronghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-39578376605391710652013-09-02T17:33:52.110-04:002013-09-02T17:33:52.110-04:00Dave,
It seems Dr. Jay Boyd jumped the gun and ha...Dave,<br /><br />It seems Dr. Jay Boyd jumped the gun and has already posted my response to you.<br /><br />You can find it at http://philotheaonphire.blogspot.com/2013/09/cmtvs-response-to-dave-armstrong.html<br /><br />You&#39;re still free to write me and make an appointment to see Michael Voris anyway.<br /><br />Terry CarrollTerry Carrollhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16785999685192600412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-56597494735697103472013-09-02T17:09:02.208-04:002013-09-02T17:09:02.208-04:00Dave,
I did save my comment. So I could send you...Dave,<br /><br />I did save my comment. So I could send you an email, if I had any idea what your email was. I included mine in my comment. I didn&#39;t see yours. It seems you prefer public communications.<br /><br />What does it take to be more than a &quot;supporter&quot; of Michael Voris (which, in your commentary, is almost demeaning)? Do you have to work for him? Oh. That&#39;s right. I do. Just call the studio at 248-545-5716, ask for Bridget Gallagher (Michael&#39;s scheduling coordinator) and ask who I am. That&#39;s also the person to ask to set up some time to meet Michael.<br /><br />The purpose of your visit would be for you to meet him, and he you. Whatever follows depends entirely on the integrity of both parties. You are more likely to meet the person who hosts the series &quot;The Majesty of God,&quot; &quot;Armor of God&quot; and &quot;The One True Faith.&quot; You are not likely to meet &quot;The Vortex,&quot; as that is a specific setting with the particular agenda of editorial commentary.<br /><br />Write to me at my email address and I will be happy to send you what I tried to post. If you would rather not, Dr. Jay Boyd has offered to post it on her blog as a standalone blog posting with links to you.<br /><br />Terry Carroll<br />Executive Producer<br />ChurchMilitant.TV<br />terrycarroll@churchmilitant.tv<br />Google Voice and Text: 682-738-6745<br />Skype: terry.carroll.realcatholictv (no video)Terry Carrollhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16785999685192600412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-76439866544106571982013-09-02T16:37:29.054-04:002013-09-02T16:37:29.054-04:00I tried to respond, but my response was too long f...<i>I tried to respond, but my response was too long for your combox. How sad. And it was SO GOOD!</i><br /><br />In the earlier thread for the previous paper, I bowed to your wishes to move to e-mail, and asked if you would respond to this in an e-mail. No need to be frustrated by length restrictions. You need to &quot;copy&quot; or &quot;save&quot; everything so you can paste it later if there is a problem.<br /><br /><i>I&#39;m very disappointed that you decided against engaging me (or Michael Voris) as a human being instead of a representative of a despised ideology which you consider dangerous to the Church.</i> <br /><br />I responded to the arguments you gave. An argument is not the person making the argument. I do consider RadCathRism dangerous to the Church, but what else is new? Voris bashes things every day; he obviously is alarmed about things. Why are we not allowed to be alarmed about things, too? But because you hold to them, it&#39;s a naughty no-no.<br /><br /><i>I spent a lot time composing a serious response, but this format won&#39;t allow it.</i><br /><br />You should have saved; then all you had to do was paste it into an e-mail.<br /><br /><i>I don&#39;t do Facebook and Twitter and, in truth, Michael Voris doesn&#39;t either. Even his personal Facebook page is maintained by someone on the staff, although he does respond to personal messages.</i><br /><br />6,000 likes is pretty good for &quot;not doing&quot; Facebook! I&#39;d love to have those numbers (I&#39;m at 1,450 or so). I&#39;m trying to sell books to make a living.<br /><br /><i>You will never find him in anyone&#39;s combox or FB discussion. But you will find him at the studio when he is in town. And I&#39;ve never known him to turn down anyone for a visit.</i><br /><br />As I said, I&#39;d be happy to consider such a visit. I regarded the interaction with you as a possible prelude to that.<br /><br /><i>I guess dealing with people as people just isn&#39;t your thing?</i><br /><br />I deal with people all the time. I&#39;ve always tried to make personal overtures to everyone: even my most bitter enemies (anti-Catholics and so forth). I would reach out and make an effort; get it on a &quot;human&quot; level, but they spurned it. <br /><br />There are serious charges being slung around here, so I respond forcefully to those because I think they are unjust and unethical.<br /><br />But I separate the person from the worldview. Oftentimes people are far better persons than their rhetoric would lead one to believe. I think that is the case with Michael, as I&#39;ve stated several times. <br /><br />If he can dish out all this stuff he does, he has to be able to take criticism back. But here I am talking to his supporters, not him. If it works out, I&#39;d be glad to talk to him. I&#39;d have to be clear about what he regarded as the purpose of such a visit. If he&#39;s gonna be all defensive about me, and expect some &quot;tiger&quot; going in there to rip him to shreds, that won&#39;t work. NOT my purpose or style at all. I&#39;m an easy-going, laid-back, soft-spoken guy. No one need be personally daunted by me. I&#39;d probably listen a lot more than I would talk.<br /><br />I have spent the better part of two days carefully responding to those who interacted with my arguments (including many Voris supporters like yourself). I&#39;ve been kind and courteous, if forceful in argument (as one would expect: I&#39;m an apologist and veteran of 32 years of intellectual dialogues).<br /><br />I treat people respectfully, with charity. If Michael wants to talk man-to-man, Catholic -to-catholic, in charity and amiability, without rancor, I&#39;d be more than happy to. I think we would actually get along and like each other. I&#39;m usually right about those things.Dave Armstronghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-75661278380118517772013-09-02T16:04:30.380-04:002013-09-02T16:04:30.380-04:00Dave,
I tried to respond, but my response was too...Dave,<br /><br />I tried to respond, but my response was too long for your combox. How sad. And it was SO GOOD!<br /><br />I&#39;m very disappointed that you decided against engaging me (or Michael Voris) as a human being instead of a representative of a despised ideology which you consider dangerous to the Church. I spent a lot time composing a serious response, but this format won&#39;t allow it.<br /><br />I don&#39;t do Facebook and Twitter and, in truth, Michael Voris doesn&#39;t either. Even his personal Facebook page is maintained by someone on the staff, although he does respond to personal messages.<br /><br />You will never find him in anyone&#39;s combox or FB discussion. But you will find him at the studio when he is in town. And I&#39;ve never known him to turn down anyone for a visit. <br /><br />I guess dealing with people as people just isn&#39;t your thing?<br /><br />Terry Carroll<br />Executive Producer<br />ChurchMilitant.TV<br />terrycarroll@churchmilitant.tv<br />Google Voice and Text: 682-738-6745<br />Skype: terry.carroll.realcatholictv (no video)<br />Terry Carrollhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16785999685192600412noreply@blogger.com