The PETA XXX Porn Site

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, no stranger to attention-grabbing campaigns featuring nude women, plans to launch a pornography website in the name of animal rights.

The nonprofit organization, whose controversial campaigns draw criticism from women’s rights groups, said it hopes to raise awareness of veganism through a mix of pornography and graphic footage of animal suffering.

“We’re hoping to reach a whole new audience of people, some of whom will be shocked by graphic images that maybe they didn’t anticipate seeing when they went to the PETA triple-X site,” said Lindsay Rajt, PETA’s associate director of campaigns.

PETA has been accused of campaigning for animal rights at the cost of exploiting women. A Facebook group, Real Women Against PETA, was launched after the organization paid for a billboard showing an obese woman with the message: “Save the Whales. Lose the Blubber. Go Vegetarian.”

Another critical Facebook group is called, “Vegans (and Vegetarians) Against PETA.”

“PETA is extremely disingenuous,” said Jennifer Pozner, executive director of the New York-based advocacy group Women In Media & News. “They have consistently used active sexism as their marketing strategy to garner attention. Their use of sexism has gotten more extreme and more degrading.

“This may be in their minds the only thing left at their disposal to lower the bar,” she said.

PETA has filed paperwork to launch its pornography site when the controversial new .xxx domain becomes active in early December…

How the fuck did they spin animal rights off to woman’s rights to pornography? Honestly, that’s a bit of a fucking stretch! Hey all, I’m trying to promote awareness for the extinction of the great blue whale. Here’s a link to some BBW big tit action, but note, every couple frames might show a whale getting fucked, graphically. A natural aphrodisiac I know.

What

How the fuck did they spin animal rights off to woman’s rights to pornography? Honestly, that’s a bit of a fucking stretch! Hey all, I’m trying to promote awareness for the extinction of the great blue whale. Here’s a link to some BBW big tit action, but note, every couple frames might show a whale getting fucked, graphically. A natural aphrodisiac I know.

What

How the fuck did they spin animal rights off to woman’s rights to pornography? Honestly, that’s a bit of a fucking stretch! Hey all, I’m trying to promote awareness for the extinction of the great blue whale. Here’s a link to some BBW big tit action, but note, every couple frames might show a whale getting fucked, graphically. A natural aphrodisiac I know.

What

How the fuck did they spin animal rights off to woman’s rights to pornography? Honestly, that’s a bit of a fucking stretch! Hey all, I’m trying to promote awareness for the extinction of the great blue whale. Here’s a link to some BBW big tit action, but note, every couple frames might show a whale getting fucked, graphically. A natural aphrodisiac I know.

bunny

easy- domination and exploitation of nature…..comes from the same oppressive set of memes that created judaism, islam and christianity.
Even though we may live in more enlightened times, the memes are so deeply embedded in the culture, you are soaking in it. without even seeing it, like a fish in water.

SF2K01

Nothing in the three Abrahamic religions explicitly calls for exploitation of nature. You actually see the complete opposite in the Bible and Quran: They place Man above animals, but they simultaneously demand the responsibility that goes along with that placement. Those religions believe in the right to use nature, but have rules against abusing it. PETA is a complete inversion, only Animals have a right to use nature, and man has none.

http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

My copy of the Old Testament has page upon page about which animals need to be sacrificed to atone for sins.

Not an Abrahamic religion, but pre-Buddhist Hinduism was just as bloody.

Bunny

The scapegoat driven into the desert (became baphomet symbol of Pan or nature)

And of course there is the whole Eve debacle where women brought suffering into the word and are considered less than men..and must be dominated
when nature is talked about, it is often called “mother nature”

there was a good book on protestantism and its natural outcome being the capitalism we have today..Weber, “The Protestant ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism”
Basically all things INCLUDING lose value except forcollecting as a symbol of “God’s favor”

SF2K01

I’m not certain how chasing a goat away from camp represents a command to dominate and destroy the earth.

You also have a fundamental misreading of the Eve story. You can’t remove the context and pretend it is all about the woman, or insist that there is anything in there that states women are less than men since both received punishment. Both the man and the snake were punished as well, so is the bible now anti-people? Anti-Snake? Further the story doesn’t blame woman for bringing suffering to the world, it’s a whole other discussion on the problems of Man having knowledge of good and evil leading to him not being robot servants. There’s a crapload of (secular) scholarship around this, we don’t need to resort to brainless and childish understandings.

“Mother nature” is a colloquialism stemming from Greek myths and religion, not the Judaeo-Christian one, so the connection is especially unfounded.

I just wish people would stop talking about things they have no idea about, but assume they fully understand anyhow since they learned it in Sunday school.

Bunny

Thank you for informing me what i SHOULD THINK..

I am sure that those of us who are independent thinkers, love having watchdogs like you to inform us and call us names when we disagree with your view…

which BTW shows that you do not understand the rules of argumentation and have in fact have shown yourself to be “childish and idiotic”

Our culture here in the US is a blend of many different systems of thought..as is christianity

You are having difficulty distinguishing between what the Bible as a text says…and the popular interpretations that permeates culture at subliminal levels.

The interpretation known as christianity popularly practiced today, is itself anti life..it is almost a death worshiping cult.

greek thought especially neoplatonism merged with christianity and the more apocalyptic and dualistic aspects of Zoroatorism to form a syncretistic hybrid…that brought many of the archetypes along for the ride.
(many of the pagan god were adopted by christians as “saints”..the archetypes become incorporated)

But hank you for calling me”childish and brainless”..which is pretty much the same contempt i i will echo right back atcha

Josh

I like how you treat theories as fact, it’s cute.

SF2K01

Considering that the parts we’re talking about are coming from ancient Jews living before Zoroastrianism, Greek thought, etc, were invented, I don’t see how any of those cute theories about Christian ideology are relevant, even if they were based in some semblance of fact.

Tuna Ghost

The neo-platonism merging with christianity produced gnostic cults and Hermetic stuff, it didn’t have a real impact on mainstream Christianity we see today.

You are having difficulty distinguishing between what the Bible as a text says…and the popular interpretations that permeates culture at subliminal levels.

I’ll agree that the Eve story has been used as an excuse for placing women below men, but that doesn’t support your whole “dominion over women, we think of earth as a woman, therefore dominion over the earth” argument.

SF2K01

Sacrificing the occasional animal isn’t exploitation, especially since you eat most sacrifices anyway so it’s fundamentally equal to just killing an animal for food with a religious procedure, and even within those sacrifices, nothing there about maximizing the torture or pain of the animal, just the opposite that humanity has an obligation to minimize the suffering of any animal it eats (or even uses for labor).

No, what above person was suggestion was something more along the lines of some commandment from God to say wipe out all owls and pollute the seas with oil, I’m finding nothing along those lines.

http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

A cursory search does turn up this example: “And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and
multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion
over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every
living thing that moveth upon the earth.” Genesis 1:28

We may have different definitions of what “subdue” and “dominion” mean.

SF2K01

Our definitions certainly are different, but we do know the ancient conceptions here. Conquer and control would probably be a better translation in our modern ears of וכבשה ורדו, it reads like any other ancient king’s initiative in ruling over a people, in the ancient mindset that comes along with a lot of responsibilities which are enumerated later, the next big mention being in Genesis 9 which forbids eating an animal while it was still alive, a prohibition on a common ancient practice of animal abuse.

emperorreagan

So basically you won’t know if you’ll be geting off on an image of a cow getting a bolt shot into its head or sasha grey chocking on a penis? PETA is leading the way into a whole new genre of gonzo porn movies.

emperorreagan

So basically you won’t know if you’ll be geting off on an image of a cow getting a bolt shot into its head or sasha grey chocking on a penis? PETA is leading the way into a whole new genre of gonzo porn movies.

emperorreagan

So basically you won’t know if you’ll be geting off on an image of a cow getting a bolt shot into its head or sasha grey chocking on a penis? PETA is leading the way into a whole new genre of gonzo porn movies.

emperorreagan

So basically you won’t know if you’ll be geting off on an image of a cow getting a bolt shot into its head or sasha grey choking on a penis? PETA is leading the way into a whole new genre of gonzo porn movies.

E.B. Wolf

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/
I’m all for treating animals with respect and dignity (even though I sometimes like to eat a few), but fuck PETA. They’re a bunch of frauds.

E.B. Wolf

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/
I’m all for treating animals with respect and dignity (even though I sometimes like to eat a few), but fuck PETA. They’re a bunch of frauds.

E.B. Wolf

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/
I’m all for treating animals with respect and dignity (even though I sometimes like to eat a few), but fuck PETA. They’re a bunch of frauds.

E.B. Wolf

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/
I’m all for treating animals with respect and dignity (even though I sometimes like to eat a few), but fuck PETA. They’re a bunch of frauds.

http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

There are a lot of strange ideas in PETA land. Apparently they actually claim that owning a pet is unethical as well, denying their animal nature or some nonsense. Its so cruel!(aside from the fact that they never have to worry about food, water, and they probably get their waste cleaned up after them too depending on the pet).

I’m not sure why they don’t see the hypocrisy of killing these animals, but i think its somewhere along the lines of believing they aren’t “real” animals because they haven’t struggled in nature.

E.B. Wolf

It’s a shame too. I think the “I’d rather go naked than wear fur” campaign was great. The treatment of animals in the industrial farming and fur industries is disgusting and needs to be reformed ASAP.

I’d even agree that a lot of “exotic” pets should not be owned by Joe or Jane Blow (face-ripper monkey is a perfect example). Only people with special qualifications and conditions should be allowed to have big cats, exotic birds and reptiles, etc.

But when the organisation in question kills 90+% of the animals it “rescues” while pushing veganism as the only option, it’s kinda hard for me to look at them as being really concerned with anything other than their own bottom line. I’d much sooner support my local “no kill” shelter and buy my meet from a local farm that let’s it’s cows and pigs graze in open space.

Redacted

My cat has spent his day lazing around in front of a fan. He could be running from coyotes. This is abusive?

PETA fails at logic.

Tuna Ghost

Yes, the animals we’ve domesticated to be dependent on human society need to be released into the wild, immediately, so they can be eaten by wildlife, immediately.

Redacted

Only hipsters should be eaten by wildlife

Tuna Ghost

At least I’ll die hip, baby

…now that I think about it, it’s unlikely that your average hipster has enough meat on them to satisfy anything larger than a vole.

E.B. Wolf

A good size python that was released back into the wild by a PETA follower could probably swallow one whole, and snakes don’t need to eat very much.

easy- domination and exploitation of nature…..comes from the same oppressive set of memes that created judaism, islam and christianity.
Even though we may live in more enlightened times, the memes are so deeply embedded in the culture, you are soaking in it. without even seeing it, like a fish in water.

Anonymous

how can a supposed ‘animal rights’ organisation, be so anti-women?

Anonymous

how can a supposed ‘animal rights’ organisation, be so anti-women?

Jin The Ninja

how can a supposed ‘animal rights’ organisation, be so anti-women?

SF2K01

Welcome to the PETA ideology: Only animals have rights, not people.

Wanooski

Sorry, but veganism requires dependence on fairly large scale agriculture, and that kind of agriculture isn’t sustainable. Animals should be treated with respect and dignity, but there isn’t anything inherently wrong with eating them.

Anarchy Pony

Sorry, but veganism requires dependence on fairly large scale agriculture, and that kind of agriculture isn’t sustainable. Animals should be treated with respect and dignity, but there isn’t anything inherently wrong with eating them.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JR6QMHI5D3L6Z4JJBSAKO4KJBE brock

I’m all about my animal-based proteins, but this argument is absurd. Industrial animal production consumes way more agricultural resources than they replace. Maybe you’re making some point about organic farming? I’ve heard some of those arguments but I think they’re pretty weak as well.

Anarchy Pony

Oh, no I don’t like industrialized livestock operations either. The future is in low energy and sustainability, and modern industrialized agriculture in every way is exactly opposite. Both in terms of livestock and vegetation. But to exist solely on vegetation as in veganism requires large agricultural infrastructure and the virtual enslavement to that system that it requires for maintenance.

emperorreagan

That’s a very weak argument – urbanization is inseparable from a large agricultural infrastructure, regardless of the dominant dietary choices a society makes.

Jin The Ninja

Derrick Jensen asserts that any civilization that requires the importation of food is unsustainable. Ergo urbanisation is it’s current form is unsustainable. I believe this is the point Wanooski is making.

My view is an adjacent one that sees the need for urban pop’n to grow and produce much of their own resources.

http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

I tend to agree with you, but Daniel Quinn makes some excellent points in his “Ishmael” books. If you haven’t read them yet, you may enjoy them.

Jin The Ninja

Thank you, I will check them out!

emperorreagan

Wanooski’s initial comment, “Sorry, but veganism requires dependence on fairly large scale agriculture, and that kind of agriculture isn’t sustainable. Animals should be treated with respect and dignity, but there isn’t anything inherently wrong with eating them.” and final comment, “But to exist solely on vegetation as in veganism requires large agricultural infrastructure and the virtual enslavement to that system that it requires for maintenance.” singles out a particular dietary choice rather than addressing the full system. If it weren’t for the initial comment and the additional comment, I would agree that Wanooski was echoing Derrick Jensen. The implication of the comments in context, though, is that Wanooksi is under the belief that a vegetable based diet is intrinsically tied to the current system, whereas omnivores could move away from the present system to something more sustainable.

In terms of land use, a mostly vegetarian diet is the most efficient according to the UN Food and Agriculture Organization. There is also the biointensive farming method, summarized in the following wiki article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biointensive The least efficient use of land is the current meat-heavy diet of the west.

I don’t think there is anything inherently wrong with eating animals, but to assert the vegetarian diets aren’t agriculturally sustainable is false.

http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

Here’s the flip side to the argument.

If we use the less “productive” meat farming methods instead of vegetable/grain farming we’ll be unable to support as many people on the same amount of land. A hard limit on human population like food supply might be a good thing.

Humans not only damage natural habitats during food production, but also during other agricultural endeavors like logging, coal mining, and crude oil production. Additionally, most of our other industries spew extravagantly dangerous wastes into our environment.

So, fewer people, fewer environmental problems.

I’m not saying I actually support the view I just espoused, but there are some people that do and their arguments have some merit. Of course, they’re also a couple of clicks of the dial away from genocide as policy.

emperorreagan

In the same vein, you could argue that we should stay the course and aim for systemic collapse.

Of course, there are some of the more pessimistic scientists that already believe we’re past the tipping point and systemic collapse is inevitable.

Redacted

We’re well past the tipping point. Oil has propped up our little system so far, and even the hardcore types who think Jesus comes down at night and refills the Oil wells think we have maybe 100 more years.

I give it 30. Which means I’ll be 56 when WW3 breaks out over what little remains.

Jin The Ninja

my own assertion is that a mostly vegetarian diet is the “best”, but like Wanooski i have issues with the vegan polemic on animal products. Specifically Honey and dairy. I don’t eat meat generally (though occasionally) and would never advocate eating it in it’s industrialised form. I think it is problematic to disregard the specific issues of agriculuture related to the growing of plant crops (caligornia strawberries in dec. florida tomatoes, gmo soy in tofu, human sewage used as organic compost, gmo anything…). I think plant-based agriculture other than permaculture , localised organic farming, and no till methods ARE in fact based in our industrialised system. I am not of the mind it is MORE destructive than meat, but neither would i say it’s impact is minimal.

emperorreagan

I agree with you. My only objection is to singling out vegetarian diets, rather than making a full argument.

In terms of an industrialized diet, vegetarian diets are a step better but still fall far short of sustainability. I would take this to be self-evident, because on top of the industrialized means used to grow vegetables and grain (which are consumed whether you eat meat or not, so also factor into a typical western diet), factory farmed livestock consume more factory-farmed, GMO grain than it would take to sustain a person. Greater energy inputs + greater land use inputs = less sustainable.

Once you’re down to the level of localized organic farming, there’s little difference between someone choosing to only raise grains and vegetables or to keep a handful of domesticated/working animals.

Jin The Ninja

great reply. i completely agree.

DeepCough

So let me get this straight: they’re trying to dissuade people from carnivorous eating by showing off naked women as pieces of meat–uh, I guess it makes sense.

DeepCough

So let me get this straight: they’re trying to dissuade people from carnivorous eating by showing off naked women as pieces of meat–uh, I guess it makes sense.

And when you think about it, P.E.T.A. is still exploiting beavers for their cause.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JR6QMHI5D3L6Z4JJBSAKO4KJBE brock

I’m all about my animal-based proteins, but this argument is absurd. Industrial animal production consumes way more agricultural resources than they replace. Maybe you’re making some point about organic farming? I’ve heard some of those arguments but I think they’re pretty weak as well.

Wanooski

Oh, no I don’t like industrialized livestock operations either. The future is in low energy and sustainability, and modern industrialized agriculture in every way is exactly opposite. Both in terms of livestock and vegetation. But to exist solely on vegetation as in veganism requires large agricultural infrastructure and the virtual enslavement to that system that it requires for maintenance.

Anonymous

Welcome to the PETA ideology: Only animals have rights, not people.

http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

There are a lot of strange ideas in PETA land. Apparently they actually claim that owning a pet is unethical as well, denying their animal nature or some nonsense. Its so cruel!(aside from the fact that they never have to worry about food, water, and they probably get their waste cleaned up after them too depending on the pet).

I’m not sure why they don’t see the hypocrisy of killing these animals, but i think its somewhere along the lines of believing they aren’t “real” animals because they haven’t struggled in nature.

Anonymous

Nothing in the three Abrahamic religions explicitly calls for exploitation of nature. You actually see the complete opposite in the Bible and Quran: They place Man above animals, but they simultaneously demand the responsibility that goes along with that placement. Those religions believe in the right to use nature, but have rules against abusing it. PETA is a complete inversion, only Animals have a right to use nature, and man has none.

I think you might be looking for Conservapedia. Quite a bit of cattle diddling in those parts.

Anonymous

When ideas become institutions…

GoodDoktorBad

When ideas become institutions…

Anonymous

I think you might be looking for Conservapedia. Quite a bit of cattle diddling in those parts.

Okarin

it their quest for ethical treatment of animals the lost their ethical treatment of women

Okarin

it their quest for ethical treatment of animals the lost their ethical treatment of women

http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

This shit is going to be better than Muki’s Kitchen and Dolcett combined.

At least it better fucking be…

http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

This shit is going to be better than Muki’s Kitchen and Dolcett combined.

At least it better fucking be…

http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

My copy of the Old Testament has page upon page about which animals need to be sacrificed to atone for sins.

Not an Abrahamic religion, but pre-Buddhist Hinduism was just as bloody.

E.B. Wolf

It’s a shame too. I think the “I’d rather go naked than wear fur” campaign was great. The treatment of animals in the industrial farming and fur industries is disgusting and needs to be reformed ASAP.

I’d even agree that a lot of “exotic” pets should not be owned be Joe or Jane Blow (face-ripper monkey is a perfect example). Only people with special qualifications and conditions should be allowed to have big cats, exotic birds and reptiles, etc.

But when the organisation in question kills 90+% of the animals it “rescues” while pushing veganism as the only option, it’s kinda hard for me to look at them as being really concerned with anything other than their own bottom line. I’d much sooner support my local “no kill” shelter and buy my meet from a local farm that let’s it’s cows and pigs graze in open space.

Anonymous

Derrick Jensen asserts that any civilization that requires the importation of food is unsustainable. Ergo urbanisation is it’s current form is unsustainable. I believe this is the point Wanooski is making.

My view is an adjacent one that sees the need for urban pop’n to grow and produce much of their own resources.

Bunny

The scapegoat driven into the desert (became baphomet symbol of Pan or nature)

And of course there is the whole Eve debacle where women brought suffering into the word and are considered less than men..and must be dominated
when nature is talked about, it is often called “mother nature”

there was a good book on protestantism and its natural outcome being the capitalism we have today..Weber, “The Protestant ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism”
Basically all things INCLUDING lose value except forcollecting as a symbol of “God’s favor”

Anonymous

My cat has spent his day lazing around in front of a fan. He could be running from coyotes. This is abusive?

PETA fails at logic.

Anonymous

My cat has spent his day lazing around in front of a fan. He could be running from coyotes. This is abusive?

PETA fails at logic.

http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

Its working…

…I suddenly feel that animal life is precious and women are objects to be exploited mercilessly…

…(Fuck you PETA…I will remember to slap my steaks before cooking them for the extra pain flavor…just because of the way you do business.)

http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

Its working…

…I suddenly feel that animal life is precious and women are objects to be exploited mercilessly…

…(Fuck you PETA…I will remember to slap my steaks before cooking them for the extra pain flavor…just because of the way you do business.)

Anonymous

Sacrificing the occasional animal isn’t exploitation, especially since you eat most sacrifices anyway so it’s fundamentally equal to just killing an animal for food with a religious procedure, and even within those sacrifices, nothing there about maximizing the torture or pain of the animal, just the opposite that humanity has an obligation to minimize the suffering of any animal it eats (or even uses for labor).

No, what above person was suggestion was something more along the lines of some commandment from God to say wipe out all owls and pollute the seas with oil, I’m finding nothing along those lines.

Anonymous

I’m not certain how chasing a goat away from camp represents a command to dominate and destroy the earth.

You also have a fundamental misreading of the Eve story. You can’t remove the context and pretend it is all about the woman, or insist that there is anything in there that states women are less than men since both received punishment. Both the man and the snake were punished as well, so is the bible now anti-people? Anti-Snake? Further the story doesn’t blame woman for bringing suffering to the world, it’s a whole other discussion on the problems of Man having knowledge of good and evil leading to him not being robot servants. There’s a crapload of (secular) scholarship around this, we don’t need to resort to brainless and childish understandings.

“Mother nature” is a colloquialism stemming from Greek myths and religion, not the Judaeo-Christian one, so the connection is especially unfounded.

I just wish people would stop talking about things they have no idea about, but assume they fully understand anyhow since they learned it in Sunday school.

http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

I tend to agree with you, but Daniel Quinn makes some excellent points in his “Ishmael” books. If you haven’t read them yet, you may enjoy them.

SantaVaca

As a long time animal rights activist and feminist, fuck PETA. This is the one group that everyone automatically associates with animal rights/vegetarianism/veganism and they are constantly, unwittingly trying their damnedest to give us a bad name; stereotyping us all as hysterical, pushy, anti-human and insane. Unfortunately, they don’t seem to give two fucks that all their harebrained (pardon the pun) ideas have the opposite effect, and I doubt this will change until there’s a radical overhaul of the organization’s leadership.

SantaVaca

As a long time animal rights activist and feminist, fuck PETA. This is the one group that everyone automatically associates with animal rights/vegetarianism/veganism and they are constantly, unwittingly trying their damnedest to give us a bad name; stereotyping us all as hysterical, pushy, anti-human and insane. Unfortunately, they don’t seem to give two fucks that all their harebrained (pardon the pun) ideas have the opposite effect, and I doubt this will change until there’s a radical overhaul of the organization’s leadership.

http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

I’d give you another “like” for spelling/using hare-brained correctly, if I could.

The problem with PETA, as I understand it, is the same problem I have with Mensa. Local chapters are given wide latitude in what they’re allowed to do and say under the PETA banner.

So, you get this whole collection of oddballs trying to one-up each other in the publicity game, with very little oversight.

If I were a 25 year old PETA guy, I’d probably be on board with launching a porn site in the name of Animal Rights, especially if we were using local talent.

But at 25, I wasn’t really at the height of my intellectual game…

DeepCough

And when you think about it, P.E.T.A. is still exploiting beavers for their cause.

Tuna Ghost

Yes, the animals we’ve domesticated to be dependent on human society need to be released into the wild, immediately, so they can be eaten by wildlife, immediately.

I’d give you another “like” for spelling/using hare-brained correctly, if I could.

The problem with PETA, as I understand it, is the same problem I have with Mensa. Local chapters are given wide latitude in what they’re allowed to do and say under the PETA banner.

So, you get this whole collection of oddballs trying to one-up each other in the publicity game, with very little oversight.

If I were a 25 year old PETA guy, I’d probably be on board with launching a porn site in the name of Animal Rights, especially if we were using local talent.

But at 25, I wasn’t really at the height of my intellectual game…

http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

A cursory search does turn up this example: “And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and
multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion
over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every
living thing that moveth upon the earth.” Genesis 1:28

We may have different definitions of what “subdue” and “dominion” mean.

emperorreagan

Wanooski’s initial comment, “Sorry, but veganism requires dependence on fairly large scale agriculture, and that kind of agriculture isn’t sustainable. Animals should be treated with respect and dignity, but there isn’t anything inherently wrong with eating them.” and final comment, “But to exist solely on vegetation as in veganism requires large agricultural infrastructure and the virtual enslavement to that system that it requires for maintenance.” singles out a particular dietary choice rather than addressing the full system. If it weren’t for the initial comment and the additional comment, I would agree that Wanooski was echoing Derrick Jensen. The implication of the comments in context, though, is that Wanooksi is under the belief that a vegetable based diet is intrinsically tied to the current system, whereas omnivores could move away from the present system to something more sustainable.

In terms of land use, a mostly vegetarian diet is the most efficient according to the UN Food and Agriculture Organization. There is also the biointensive farming method, summarized in the following wiki article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biointensive The least efficient use of land is the current meat-heavy diet of the west.

I don’t think there is anything inherently wrong with eating animals, but to assert the vegetarian diets aren’t agriculturally sustainable is false.

http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

Here’s the flip side to the argument.

If we use the less “productive” meat farming methods instead of vegetable/grain farming we’ll be unable to support as many people on the same amount of land. A hard limit on human population like food supply might be a good thing.

Humans not only damage natural habitats during food production, but also during other agricultural endeavors like logging, coal mining, and crude oil production. Additionally, most of our other industries spew extravagantly dangerous wastes into our environment.

So, fewer people, fewer environmental problems.

I’m not saying I actually support the view I just espoused, but there are some people that do and their arguments have some merit. Of course, they’re also a couple of clicks of the dial away from genocide as policy.

Bunny

Thank you for informing me what i SHOULD THINK..

I am sure that those of us who are independent thinkers, love having watchdogs like you to inform us and call us names when we disagree with your view…

which BTW shows that you do not understand the rules of argumentation and have in fact have shown yourself to be “childish and idiotic”

Our culture here in the US is a blend of many different systems of thought..as is christianity

You are having difficulty distinguishing between what the Bible as a text says…and the popular interpretations that permeates culture at subliminal levels.

The interpretation known as christianity popularly practiced today, is itself anti life..it is almost a death worshiping cult.

greek thought especially neoplatonism merged with christianity and the more apocalyptic and dualistic aspects of Zoroatorism to form a syncretistic hybrid…that brought many of the archetypes along for the ride.
(many of the pagan god were adopted by christians as “saints”..the archetypes become incorporated)

But hank you for calling me”childish and brainless”..which is pretty much the same contempt i i will echo right back atcha

Bunny

Perspective of a female scientist (not a feminist)
and practicing pagan vegetarian who actually has spent years volunteering at an animal refuge…..
While I understand the need for Humane treatment of animals I find PETA’s shock ads to be strategically opposed to their stated intent…

Sometimes i even suspect that they are actually working for establishment interests because they DO in fact turn so many people against humane treatment of animals

The people like me who ARE open to their message are left DEEPLY disturbed by their videos (i honestly cannot watch them)…and the people they need to reach are so turned off by their tactics they won’t even consider watching the videos, ads etc

Either way, they have created a lose lose scenario, and i am left wondering why.

Bunny

Perspective of a female scientist (not a feminist)
and practicing pagan vegetarian who actually has spent years volunteering at an animal refuge…..
While I understand the need for Humane treatment of animals I find PETA’s shock ads to be strategically opposed to their stated intent…

Sometimes i even suspect that they are actually working for establishment interests because they DO in fact turn so many people against humane treatment of animals

The people like me who ARE open to their message are left DEEPLY disturbed by their videos (i honestly cannot watch them)…and the people they need to reach are so turned off by their tactics they won’t even consider watching the videos, ads etc

Either way, they have created a lose lose scenario, and i am left wondering why.

emperorreagan

In the same vein, you could argue that we should stay the course and aim for systemic collapse.

Of course, there are some of the more pessimistic scientists that already believe we’re past the tipping point and systemic collapse is inevitable.

Josh

I like how you treat theories as fact, it’s cute.

Anonymous

Only hipsters should be eaten by wildlife

Anonymous

Considering that the parts we’re talking about are coming from ancient Jews living before Zoroastrianism, Greek thought, etc, were invented, I don’t see how any of those cute theories about Christian ideology are relevant, even if they were based in some semblance of fact.

Anonymous

Our definitions certainly are different, but we do know the ancient conceptions here. Conquer and control would probably be a better translation in our modern ears of וכבשה ורדו, it reads like any other ancient king’s initiative in ruling over a people, in the ancient mindset that comes along with a lot of responsibilities which are enumerated later, the next big mention being in Genesis 9 which forbids eating an animal while it was still alive, a prohibition on a common ancient practice of animal abuse.

Tuna Ghost

At least I’ll die hip, baby

…now that I think about it, it’s unlikely that your average hipster has enough meat on them to satisfy anything larger than a vole.

http://twitter.com/pitbullover2011 Tammy McElman

ya-people will be watching…animals….sex….animals…sex= beastiality!!! Geez-its that illegal in most states!! and gross!!

http://twitter.com/pitbullover2011 Tammy McElman

ya-people will be watching…animals….sex….animals…sex= beastiality!!! Geez-its that illegal in most states!! and gross!!

E.B. Wolf

A good size python that was released back into the wild by a PETA follower could probably swallow one whole, and snakes don’t need to eat very much.

Anonymous

Thank you, I will check them out!

Anonymous

Thank you, I will check them out!

Anonymous

Thank you, I will check them out!

Anonymous

my own assertion is that a mostly vegetarian diet is the “best”, but like Wanooski i have issues with the vegan polemic on animal products. Specifically Honey and dairy. I don’t eat meat generally (though occasionally) and would never advocate eating it in it’s industrialised form. I think it is problematic to disregard the specific issues of agriculuture related to the growing of plant crops (caligornia strawberries in dec. florida tomatoes, gmo soy in tofu, human sewage used as organic compost, gmo anything…). I think plant-based agriculture other than permaculture , localised organic farming, and no till methods ARE in fact based in our industrialised system. I am not of the mind it is MORE destructive than meat, but neither would i say it’s impact is minimal.

emperorreagan

I agree with you. My only objection is to singling out vegetarian diets, rather than making a full argument.

In terms of an industrialized diet, vegetarian diets are a step better but still fall far short of sustainability. I would take this to be self-evident, because on top of the industrialized means used to grow vegetables and grain (which are consumed whether you eat meat or not, so also factor into a typical western diet), factory farmed livestock consume more factory-farmed, GMO grain than it would take to sustain a person. Greater energy inputs + greater land use inputs = less sustainable.

Once you’re down to the level of localized organic farming, there’s little difference between someone choosing to only raise grains and vegetables or to keep a handful of domesticated/working animals.

Anonymous

great reply. i completely agree.

http://meechity.blogspot.com Meech!

This seems like the most anti-intuitive move possible. Not only can you get your human-porn fix, but they’re making a TERRIBLE visual connection here…. I can imagine that sick fans of bestiality and animal cruelty are now going to have an entry-level point into animal torture porn like crush videos. F-cking STUPID idea, Peta.

(I don’t understand the “Peta kills animals” complaint? Any kind-hearted person can see that there are situations worse than death. Unwanted animals stagnating in stacks in no-kill shelters to go crazy or gasp in the fumes of their own waste is no way to live. As a tremendous believer in animal rights and kindness, I’d euthanize these poor creatures myself… I’d rather lethally inject a hundred-thousand animals, than know they’re wasting away with neglect, or see a single living throat slit to make someone’s sandwich.)

http://meechity.blogspot.com Meech!

This seems like the most anti-intuitive move possible. Not only can you get your human-porn fix, but they’re making a TERRIBLE visual connection here…. I can imagine that sick fans of bestiality and animal cruelty are now going to have an entry-level point into animal torture porn like crush videos. F-cking STUPID idea, Peta.

(I don’t understand the “Peta kills animals” complaint? Any kind-hearted person can see that there are situations worse than death. Unwanted animals stagnating in stacks in no-kill shelters to go crazy or gasp in the fumes of their own waste is no way to live. As a tremendous believer in animal rights and kindness, I’d euthanize these poor creatures myself… I’d rather lethally inject a hundred-thousand animals, than know they’re wasting away with neglect, or see a single living throat slit to make someone’s sandwich.)

Syllvie

I agree, to a point. The no-kill shelter that I volunteer for has only six cages for dogs (I don’t remember how many for cats, though). However, they always have someone who will become a foster parent. In other words, someone who will take the animal into their own home until the animal has their “forever home.” THAT is far more commendable than killing hundreds of animals.

And as for the slitting of the throat of a living animal: I agree that this is cruel. However, where I come from, animals are humanely killed so that it is painless and fast.

http://meechity.blogspot.com Meech!

Hi Syllvie, I’m glad you responded. It’s been an assumption of mine that most shelters don’t have a network of foster homes expansive enough to care for all of the unwanted animals if the shelter became overcrowded. That is certainly an ideal situation; it makes me happy that the shelter you’re affiliated with is so resourceful and kind. I wish I could say the same about our local no-kill shelters. The stench of their overcrowded “cat house” is almost inconceivable.

(( Since people are always going to want sandwiches made of animals (a desire I do understand), it would be ideal to individually gas, then lethally-inject the animals: I’d think that would be the only guarantee of a painless killing. But since that’s far too expensive and time-consuming to ever be considered for mass slaughter, something like a shot to the brain, or a beheading, could conceivably be fast enough to be classified as painless. But that requires precision (and a bit of luck) on the part of the human administering the blow. ))

Oops, I didn’t mean to get so off-topic. But I STILL think the porn idea is bunk. 😛

Anonymous

We’re well past the tipping point. Oil has propped up our little system so far, and even the hardcore types who think Jesus comes down at night and refills the Oil wells think we have maybe 100 more years.

I give it 30. Which means I’ll be 56 when WW3 breaks out over what little remains.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=561270894 David Crowe

Is PETA still headed up by that insulin dependent diabetic harpy? (Ask: where do they get the insulin from?)

David Crowe

Is PETA still headed up by that insulin dependent diabetic harpy? (Ask: where do they get the insulin from?)

Tuna Ghost

The neo-platonism merging with christianity produced gnostic cults and Hermetic stuff, it didn’t have a real impact on mainstream Christianity we see today.

You are having difficulty distinguishing between what the Bible as a text says…and the popular interpretations that permeates culture at subliminal levels.

I’ll agree that the Eve story has been used as an excuse for placing women below men, but that doesn’t support your whole “dominion over women, we think of earth as a woman, therefore dominion over the earth” argument.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_T4SPDWKBUV7EBDBDGYCTTBWNXQ Ashurbanipal

This is a good example of going way too far.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_T4SPDWKBUV7EBDBDGYCTTBWNXQ Ashurbanipal

This is a good example of going way too far.

Syllvie

I agree, to a point. The no-kill shelter that I volunteer for has only six cages for dogs (I don’t remember how many for cats, though). However, they always have someone who will become a foster parent. In other words, someone who will take the animal into their own home until the animal has their “forever home.” THAT is far more commendable than killing hundreds of animals.

And as for the slitting of the throat of a living animal: I agree that this is cruel. However, where I come from, animals are humanely killed so that it is painless and fast.

http://meechity.blogspot.com Meech!

Hi Syllvie, I’m glad you responded. It’s been an assumption of mine that most shelters don’t have a network of foster homes expansive enough to care for all of the unwanted animals if the shelter became overcrowded. That is certainly an ideal situation; it makes me happy that the shelter you’re affiliated with is so resourceful and kind. I wish I could say the same about our local no-kill shelters. The stench of their overcrowded “cat house” is almost inconceivable.

(( Since people are always going to want sandwiches made of animals (a desire I do understand), it would be ideal to individually gas, then lethally-inject the animals: I’d think that would be the only guarantee of a painless killing. But since that’s far too expensive and time-consuming to ever be considered for mass slaughter, something like a shot to the brain, or a beheading, could conceivably be fast enough to be classified as painless. But that requires precision (and a bit of luck) on the part of the human administering the blow. ))

Oops, I didn’t mean to get so off-topic. But I STILL think the porn idea is bunk. 😛