London as a nest for a new Russian revolution.

LE

Interesting, what if a former British MP or/and minister (having a status of political refugee in Russia) would declare from Moscow that he plot a violent overthrow of British government. What would be a reaction of British authorities?

Police in Britain and Russia launched separate inquiries into the multimillionaire Boris Berezovsky yesterday after he disclosed to the Guardian that he was plotting a "revolution" to overthrow President Vladimir Putin.
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In comments which appeared to be calculated to enrage the Kremlin, Mr Berezovsky told the Guardian: "We need to use force to change this regime. It isn't possible to change this regime through democratic means. There can be no change without force, pressure."

He added that he was in contact with like-minded people within Russia's ruling inner circle, offering advice, finance, and "my understanding of how it could be done". Asked if he was effectively fomenting a revolution, he replied: "You are absolutely correct, absolutely correct."

Old-Salt

What a silly boy. He might want to lock him self in a lead lined room and eat only what he has cultivated and made himself....and not drink anything....or he could just lay himself down in the coffin right now

Old-Salt

If some misguided Brit politico wanted to retire to sunny Moskva and then talk total b*llocks from his dacha I do not think anybody here would give a flying proverbial. You will recall that one or two misguided Russki-loving arrse bandits from Cambridge ended up living out a miserable existence in your benighted city, and no one paid them much heed. Plus we in the UK enjoy the benefits of a fully developed and confident democracy (Bliar has told us, so it must be true). So any Brit stupid enough to condemn his government and encourage their destruction from the comfort of some hovel in the Urals is welcome to fill his furry boots. By the way I have spent some time in your country and it is sh*t and I can see why everybody is pissed all the time (everybody smells, your women dress like tarts from a Borat movie, your food is obnoxious and everybody wears shell suits). You cannot blame a few Slav super-rich from seeing sense and buying a decent lifestyle in our glorious country, go for a walk and you will see I am right.

“The military don't start wars. Politicians start wars.”
― General William C Westmoreland
However, military commanders reserve the right to screw things up.

LE

Police detained Garry Kasparov, the former world chess champion who now leads one of Russia's strongest opposition movements, and at least 100 other activists Saturday as they gathered for a forbidden anti-Kremlin demonstration in central Moscow.
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City authorities gave permission to Other Russia to hold a rally at Turgenev Square, but denied their request to gather at the more central and prominent Pushkin Square, one of Moscow's most well-known public spaces. Other Russia defied the ban and declared they would march from Pushkin Square to the other square, about a mile away.

Police detained scores of activists at Pushkin Square, but thousands of others began marching. More than 1,000 others gathered at the authorized rally site.

Among them was Mikhail Kasyanov, who was Putin's first prime minister but now has gone into opposition.

On this map you can see Pushkin square (the place of the detention) - it is in the Upper-Left corner of the map (there are 3 red M's here). Turgenev Square (allowed place for the demostration) is in the Upper-Middle part of the map (there are 2 red and one grey M's here). Both squares are approximately on the same distance for the Kremlin (triangle in the bottom).

@TheIronDuke: Russian or any other trolls tend to be dealt with using weapons Russia can never hope to deploy.
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LE

I don't know what the fuss is about. Russian emigre dissidents and revolutionaries have been dwelling here since the middle of the nineteenth century...although this time it is possibly not quite such a red revolution they are plotting!

They used to say if an infinite number of chimps typed we would get the works of Shakespeare, the internet has proved this is NOT the case...

LE

I don't know what the fuss is about. Russian emigre dissidents and revolutionaries have been dwelling here since the middle of the nineteenth century...although this time it is possibly not quite such a red revolution they are plotting!

Jack Straw has warned a Russian tycoon that his refugee status could be reviewed after he reportedly said he was planning a coup in Russia.
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Mr Straw said the government would "take action against those who use the UK as a base from which to foment violent disorder or terrorism in other countries".

"Advocating the violent overthrow of a sovereign state is unacceptable and we condemn these comments unreservedly," he said.

So the warning was made. But mr.Berezovky in fact ignored it. Do word of British FM cost anything or they are just an empty declaration? It is a question about real power. Whom does it really belong? British government or foreign crooks like mssrs. Berezovsky and Abramovitch?

Mr.Berezovsky stole a lot in Russia mainly using sophisticated financial schemes but there is one well documented case - $13 mlns. - really a change for the tycoon (his fortune really is much bigger than estimated 800 mln BP).

British court hasn't even looked into the mentioned case because of his status of political refugee.

@TheIronDuke: Russian or any other trolls tend to be dealt with using weapons Russia can never hope to deploy.
Humour Irony Intelligence Knowlege

LE

Mr.Berezovsky stole a lot in Russia mainly using sophisticated financial schemes but there is one well documented case - $13 mlns. - really a change for the tycoon (his fortune really is much bigger than estimated 800 mln BP).

British court hasn't even looked into the mentioned case because of his status of political refugee.

You're right, Berezovsky is a big thief (oligarch) who stole hundreds of millions from Russia and who's tried to cloak himself in some pro-democracy clothing, which is pure horsesh*t to anyone aware of what was happening in Russia in the early-mid 90s and his role in it. The only thing different from him and the other big thieves is that those who supported Putin have been protected, those that don't spend time in jail or exile.

"I never meant to say that the conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it." - John Stuart Mill

LE

Interesting, what if a former British MP or/and minister (having a status of political refugee in Russia) would declare from Moscow that he plot a violent overthrow of British government. What would be a reaction of British authorities?

LE

Mr.Berezovsky stole a lot in Russia mainly using sophisticated financial schemes but there is one well documented case - $13 mlns. - really a change for the tycoon (his fortune really is much bigger than estimated 800 mln BP).

British court hasn't even looked into the mentioned case because of his status of political refugee.

You're right, Berezovsky is a big thief (oligarch) who stole hundreds of millions from Russia and who's tried to cloak himself in some pro-democracy clothing, which is pure horsesh*t to anyone aware of what was happening in Russia in the early-mid 90s and his role in it. The only thing different from him and the other big thieves is that those who supported Putin have been protected, those that don't spend time in jail or exile.

Couldn't agree more. Thieves that support mr.Putin are safe. There are rumours that nemely mr.Berezovsky promoted Vladimir Putin as pres.Yeltsin successor.

Btw, as I remember the former ENRON's boss supported and funded highly esteemed, learned mr.Bush. Also cash for honour affair in the UK springs in mind. So if you meant that all corruption is concentrated in Russia then I rather disagree. Though level of Russian corruption is much higher, of course it's huge.

GDav, suppose that a leader of IRA would make comments of mentioned type from Moscow threatening to use violed methods. I suppose that the reaction of British government would be very tough.

@TheIronDuke: Russian or any other trolls tend to be dealt with using weapons Russia can never hope to deploy.
Humour Irony Intelligence Knowlege

Old-Salt

By the way I have spent some time in your country and it is sh*t and I can see why everybody is pissed all the time (everybody smells, your women dress like tarts from a Borat movie, your food is obnoxious and everybody wears shell suits). You cannot blame a few Slav super-rich from seeing sense and buying a decent lifestyle in our glorious country, go for a walk and you will see I am right.

You want to be there in summer when they knock the hot water/central heating system off in the summer... fack me! There is a grot problem in mainland Russia however I like the women dressing up as tarts (at least they don't eat boxes of them like the fat slags do here) and as for the food
its pretty good. pirog and pelemi was down with ice cold kvas is as good as any takeaway food in the world

LE

Mr.Berezovsky stole a lot in Russia mainly using sophisticated financial schemes but there is one well documented case - $13 mlns. - really a change for the tycoon (his fortune really is much bigger than estimated 800 mln BP).

British court hasn't even looked into the mentioned case because of his status of political refugee.

You're right, Berezovsky is a big thief (oligarch) who stole hundreds of millions from Russia and who's tried to cloak himself in some pro-democracy clothing, which is pure horsesh*t to anyone aware of what was happening in Russia in the early-mid 90s and his role in it. The only thing different from him and the other big thieves is that those who supported Putin have been protected, those that don't spend time in jail or exile.

Couldn't agree more. Thieves that support mr.Putin are safe. There are rumours that nemely mr.Berezovsky promoted Vladimir Putin as pres.Yeltsin successor.

Btw, as I remember the former ENRON's boss supported and funded highly esteemed, learned mr.Bush. Also cash for honour affair in the UK springs in mind. So if you meant that all corruption is concentrated in Russia then I rather disagree. Though level of Russian corruption is much higher, of course it's huge.

GDav, suppose that a leader of IRA would make comments of mentioned type from Moscow threatening to use violed methods. I suppose that the reaction of British government would be very tough.

War Hero

Interesting, what if a former British MP or/and minister (having a status of political refugee in Russia) would declare from Moscow that he plot a violent overthrow of British government. What would be a reaction of British authorities?

LE

Mr.Berezovsky stole a lot in Russia mainly using sophisticated financial schemes but there is one well documented case - $13 mlns. - really a change for the tycoon (his fortune really is much bigger than estimated 800 mln BP).

British court hasn't even looked into the mentioned case because of his status of political refugee.

You're right, Berezovsky is a big thief (oligarch) who stole hundreds of millions from Russia and who's tried to cloak himself in some pro-democracy clothing, which is pure horsesh*t to anyone aware of what was happening in Russia in the early-mid 90s and his role in it. The only thing different from him and the other big thieves is that those who supported Putin have been protected, those that don't spend time in jail or exile.

Couldn't agree more. Thieves that support mr.Putin are safe. There are rumours that nemely mr.Berezovsky promoted Vladimir Putin as pres.Yeltsin successor.

Btw, as I remember the former ENRON's boss supported and funded highly esteemed, learned mr.Bush. Also cash for honour affair in the UK springs in mind. So if you meant that all corruption is concentrated in Russia then I rather disagree. Though level of Russian corruption is much higher, of course it's huge.

GDav, suppose that a leader of IRA would make comments of mentioned type from Moscow threatening to use violed methods. I suppose that the reaction of British government would be very tough.

Soviet Union and Russia never sold, delivered, transferred (directly or indirectly) any weapons or explosive materials to IRA. If you has any information any form of cooperation of IRa nad Soviet Union or Russia then it would be very kind of you to present it.

@TheIronDuke: Russian or any other trolls tend to be dealt with using weapons Russia can never hope to deploy.
Humour Irony Intelligence Knowlege

LE

Mr.Berezovsky stole a lot in Russia mainly using sophisticated financial schemes but there is one well documented case - $13 mlns. - really a change for the tycoon (his fortune really is much bigger than estimated 800 mln BP).

British court hasn't even looked into the mentioned case because of his status of political refugee.

You're right, Berezovsky is a big thief (oligarch) who stole hundreds of millions from Russia and who's tried to cloak himself in some pro-democracy clothing, which is pure horsesh*t to anyone aware of what was happening in Russia in the early-mid 90s and his role in it. The only thing different from him and the other big thieves is that those who supported Putin have been protected, those that don't spend time in jail or exile.

Couldn't agree more. Thieves that support mr.Putin are safe. There are rumours that nemely mr.Berezovsky promoted Vladimir Putin as pres.Yeltsin successor.

Btw, as I remember the former ENRON's boss supported and funded highly esteemed, learned mr.Bush. Also cash for honour affair in the UK springs in mind. So if you meant that all corruption is concentrated in Russia then I rather disagree. Though level of Russian corruption is much higher, of course it's huge.

GDav, suppose that a leader of IRA would make comments of mentioned type from Moscow threatening to use violed methods. I suppose that the reaction of British government would be very tough.

Soviet Union and Russia never sold, delivered, transferred (directly or indirectly) any weapons or explosive materials to IRA. If you has any information any form of cooperation of IRa nad Soviet Union or Russia then it would be very kind of you to present it.

Old-Salt

By the way I have spent some time in your country and it is sh*t and I can see why everybody is pissed all the time (everybody smells, your women dress like tarts from a Borat movie, your food is obnoxious and everybody wears shell suits). You cannot blame a few Slav super-rich from seeing sense and buying a decent lifestyle in our glorious country, go for a walk and you will see I am right.

You want to be there in summer when they knock the hot water/central heating system off in the summer... fack me! There is a grot problem in mainland Russia however I like the women dressing up as tarts (at least they don't eat boxes of them like the fat slags do here) and as for the food
its pretty good. pirog and pelemi was down with ice cold kvas is as good as any takeaway food in the world

Actually mate I take it all back you are right the Kvas ain't bad if you can get it really cold and ignore what it is made of and I did like pirogi and bliny, trouble is my hosts used to try and cook wierd meat (unidentified) dishes with strange greasy gravy. Anyway enuff already.

“The military don't start wars. Politicians start wars.”
― General William C Westmoreland
However, military commanders reserve the right to screw things up.

LE

Mr.Berezovsky stole a lot in Russia mainly using sophisticated financial schemes but there is one well documented case - $13 mlns. - really a change for the tycoon (his fortune really is much bigger than estimated 800 mln BP).

British court hasn't even looked into the mentioned case because of his status of political refugee.

You're right, Berezovsky is a big thief (oligarch) who stole hundreds of millions from Russia and who's tried to cloak himself in some pro-democracy clothing, which is pure horsesh*t to anyone aware of what was happening in Russia in the early-mid 90s and his role in it. The only thing different from him and the other big thieves is that those who supported Putin have been protected, those that don't spend time in jail or exile.

Couldn't agree more. Thieves that support mr.Putin are safe. There are rumours that nemely mr.Berezovsky promoted Vladimir Putin as pres.Yeltsin successor.

Btw, as I remember the former ENRON's boss supported and funded highly esteemed, learned mr.Bush. Also cash for honour affair in the UK springs in mind. So if you meant that all corruption is concentrated in Russia then I rather disagree. Though level of Russian corruption is much higher, of course it's huge.

GDav, suppose that a leader of IRA would make comments of mentioned type from Moscow threatening to use violed methods. I suppose that the reaction of British government would be very tough.

Soviet Union and Russia never sold, delivered, transferred (directly or indirectly) any weapons or explosive materials to IRA. If you has any information any form of cooperation of IRa nad Soviet Union or Russia then it would be very kind of you to present it.

The Medved Sniper Riles had to come from somewhere Sergey That'd be Russian for Bear then.

Plus, I'd give 2CD or GRU a bit more credit than driving an old ZIL lorry across all of Europe and then taking 2 ferry trips to the Emerald Isle with a load of goodies in the back. I suppose the Semtex never came from the Czechs?

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Posters are however starting to agree on 2 things

1. Politicians are a bigger bunch of self-aggrandising crooks than the crooks themselves.