I've just been listening to Shaun Moran, an agent with the Border Patrol talk to Roger Hedgecock on his San Diego show (AM600, streaming audio available at the link). Moran says the Border Patrol has informed him and all agents that, contrary to policy up to now, there will be no more paid media appearances. Moran has been the official spokesman for the union representing Border Agents, and has made many paid appearances to inform the public in that capacity, most recently in regard to the illegal alien sweeps that the Border Patrol has recently made. Moran says he's sure this new policy is retaliation for the heat and embarrassment that's been generated as a result of these sweeps and the consequent banning of same by the DHS after the illegal alien advocacy groups started screaming about it. Moran says the public is entitled to the truth and that his union is going to make sure that they get it, despite this new policy. Moran says that, if necessary, his union will pay for his appearances (or Moran will do as he did today and make them while on vacation, before work, etc.) just to make sure the word gets out. If you'd like to register your objection to the banning of the sweeps and/or the attempts to stifle the dissemination of information regarding same, there's contact information for Asa Hutchingson's (Under Secretary for Border & Transportation Security) office at NBPC1613.org. Click on the "U.S. citizens: please help us protect you and your family - click here - "

LOL. Thank you very much for looking that up. Unlike some here I have no problem admitting my mistakes nor will I pretend infallibility. I don't have a secretive agenda that warrants hiding my identity, either.

Who's the "you" in the reference and which Americans are exempt from work?

The term "Americans" covers a broad range of nationalities from Canadians to Chileans and I don't care who earns an honest living in agriculture as long as the work gets done at a cost that our US economy can tolerate.

Besides the number of illegal aliens requiring services such as health care, emergency housing, food stamps, and other programs...

FYI, the greatest impact is on the cost of public education. As am example in California the annual per child cost of the public education system is a shade under $10K. The consequences of unregulated immigration now consumes about 1/3 of the public education budget which is the largest single program in the state budget exceeding $30B annually.

Oh yes, public education. I don't know how that slipped my mind. All that money that goes into it, and kids come out illiterate. Mexico has free education right through college, don't know about other Latin American countries though. It really galls me that illegals will get a better deal for community college than my kids will.

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posted on 07/11/2004 12:50:40 PM PDT
by TheSpottedOwl
("In the Kingdom of the Deluded, the Most Outrageous Liar is King".)

Goebbeles stated that if your tell a lie long enough, people will believe it.

I am taking a reverse Goebbel's strategy, where I am telling the truth(Baca being a major catalyst in stopping the sweeps) and getting attacked by those on FR who wish for others not to know the whole truth.

Who's the "you" in the reference and which Americans are exempt from work?

The term "Americans" covers a broad range of nationalities from Canadians to Chileans and I don't care who earns an honest living in agriculture as long as the work gets done at a cost that our US economy can tolerate.

The 'you' quite simply refers to you. No one is exempt from work except the corporate conservatives who are trying to turn this country into a plantation.

In America, American means American, but your statement reveals a lot about your ideology. The price of labor is determined by supply and demand, which normally conservatives believe in. The labor supply siders of course believe in large supplies of labor to drive down wages regardless of what damage it does to working Americans; that's Americans as in USA in case you got confused again.

Good idea....but don't go getting unilateral on us. Make sure that Democrats are turned out as well as Republicans

Since I don't vore for Dems I have no control over that part of your equation. The part that I do have I will. If I follow your analogy here then we will never resolve the problem of wholesale invasion across our southern border.

I'm so fed up that I pledge that if any politician that votes for any form of amenesty and I am eligible to vote for in future elections I will work against him/her to get them tossed from office. Since these sleaze balls are no longer interested in protecting this nation and my family then they no longer deserve me and my familys support.

I'm no longer interested in compromising any more principles with RINO Republicans.

Since I don't vore for Dems I have no control over that part of your equation. The part that I do have I will. If I follow your analogy here then we will never resolve the problem of wholesale invasion across our southern border.

Your scenario will further enable Liberals and make the problem a lot worse....and make you a lot angrier. Chill out and don't become part of the problem. If the GOP loses, Democrats win. Why complicate the matter?

I understand your point but I'm one of those old fashioned long time conservatives who has finally had his fill of mush mouth spineless Republicans selling me and the country out for money, votes or whatever they trade for. I've been asked to stay the course with the Republican party since they started moving to the left (some call it the center).

I swallowed my pride and principles and played along and voted the Republican ticket when I knew I shouldn't because the only difference I could see between those I voted for and the ones on the other side had to do with that R or D designation after their name.

Well, I'm finally through playing along just to get along. The party just keeps going even further left with each passing election cycle. In my view the party is trying its best to morph the Democrats. The RNC is bringing all of this on itself so don't blame those of us on the right who are finally getting their fill of ever more liberalism within the Republican party.

Good, so don't do anything that will give the Democrats control of any part of government. They used to be Liberals...now they're Socialists. Keep that in mind.

...but I'm one of those old fashioned long time conservatives who has finally had his fill...

If the GOP loses, the Socialists win, and if you help the Socialists win, then you are part of the problem, and we don't need any more problems. In '92, disgruntled Conservatives got mad at Bush 41 and unintentionally helped the Liberals to elect the Clintons. Now we have Kerry Conservatives threatening to do the same thing. Are you one of them?

Step off the plane at Galeon or Ezeiza and announce to the customs authorities that you're an "American". Make it clear to those parochial Neanderthals that they need not bother checking your passport because you're an "American". Remind them that you're an "American" at least three times and advise them that they can kiss your lily white ass if they've got a problem with that.

So, I guess your point is that anyone from this continent is eligible for any job produced within our borders because America is so much more than a country, it's an entire continent! Is this your own personal compromise to global wage arbitrage or do you just like mixing poetry and politics?

So, I guess your point is that anyone from this continent is eligible for any job produced within our borders because America is so much more than a country, it's an entire continent! Is this your own personal compromise to global wage arbitrage or do you just like mixing poetry and politics?

The point was, which now seems like ages ago, that a society/government that doesn't control its boarders can't maintain its sovereignty and then ceases to exist.

The US was, until the great depression, a country full of enthusiasm, wild hope, remarkable productivity, and an arrogance born of accomplishment. When FDR and his kindred spirits began their quest to apply 70 years of a liberal and enlightened guidance designed to avoid the unavoidable we are becoming a hollow man.

It seems that you are part of the problem. Quit being an apologist for all that is wrong with the GOP and work to clean house of the many spinless two-faced RINO's that have taken root in the Republican party and refuse to represent the views of the base of the party before it is too late.

You can also can that pitiful excuse to keep voting for RINO's. I've been hearing that tired worn out excuse for far too long now. I see what it has done to the party. The more we put the RINO-R in power the worse the situation gets!

...and work to clean house of the many spinless two-faced RINO's that have taken root in the Republican party and refuse to represent the views of the base of the party before it is too late.

The RINOs were put there by voters...."It's the voters, stupid." And the "base" includes liberals, moderates, Conservatives, wingnuts, etc. It looks like the liberal and moderate Republicans might well outnumber the other Republicans and the majority of voter base gets the most attention....in any political party.

You can also can that pitiful excuse to keep voting for RINO's.

Don't assume that I vote for RINOs. For that matter, don't assume anything. If the majority of voters want RINOs, then that's the way it is, so get used to it and stop bitching and moaning about it. That stuff gets old real quick.

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