Able to change bets on a online crap table need help to profit from it

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I had a program coded for me about a year ago it was initially made for roulette to help me attempt to change the outcome of spin before it registered with the casino this ended up failing because the coder and I didn't consider alot of other factors anyhow I was using it again lastnight and realized that I could change and do alot of things that normally can't be done on a few online craps I do not play craps at all really I only play roulette After testing with my program this is what I can do With my program I don’t have to put any bets on the pass line or the dont pass line I can establish a point without any risk with the program and still get a point established and still bet. Example : I put 1 dollar on the pass line and 1 dollar on the don’t pass line at the start I use my software and take away both bets but the game still thinks I have bets on the table eventhough there is none on the table anymore the game spins and I’m able to get a point established and I can wait for a 6 or 8 point with no risk at all or any other point for that matter and bet anywhere else on the board except the pl and don’t pass line. Is there a strategy I can use if I can do that? I know you usually wouldn’t be able to but I am able to do this.

I can place bets on the table anywhere else except the PL and the Don’t Pass line after the game is in session and I can also change the amount of those bets an example of this I place 1 dollar on 4,5,6,8,9,10 I can change that to any amount anytime during play or anywhere else on the board this included the come and field sections and all over.

I can take away the money also when it expects me to bet an example is that I see that when a point is established and the white chip says on it won’t let me spin for free but wants me to bet but I can spin for free still with my program an example of this is I have now got lets say 8 as a point the roll button will not activate until there are bets on the table but I can with the program bypass this and still spin for free with no risk.

I hope that clarifies a bit more again I am sure I can do alot more with the program I just don’t know what to look for to try. I can I think fully change anything on the board during play.

I did look at some youtube videos which is why I thought since I could spin for free with no risk is to wait till I get a point like 6 or 8 since those number have the best dice combo to come out than I could bet the pass line with max pass line odds that a 6 or 8 will rolled? or since I dont have to place a bet until a point is established i would take max odds on 6 & 8 and max odds on DP for 4 & 10. I did try it and it worked several times just don’t know how good of a strategy that actually is.

Please anyone with more advice can you help even if its suggestions on things to check that the program will do. I may give the program I got coded for FREE or will definitely give money for help of a strategy that will help me monopolize on these factors that the game normally block me from doing etc.

To be honest I think your post is a load of rubbish that is leading into you dropping a link to a website where you will attempt to sell this snake oil to suckers. If it isn't then you have found a casino that is programmed by amateurs and good luck to you, although keep in mind that if the casino server software is that poorly coded then it would have to raise doubts about the capacity of the casino to pay you.

But I must warn you that every casino has a condition of play that you must not attempt to cheat or use a program that will attempt to alter the outcome of a game. Therefore if you attempt to use this with real money and are caught then you will have your money confiscated and be banned quicker than you can blink.

First off I DID NOT ask for money on here ONCE. I offered the OPPOSITE and I did get help on another forum and was able to now make the dice roll a certain number all the time due to people who were helpful unlike yourself. It works on a few casinos also not just one and if you knew how I had the program coded it would make sense to see how it actually works and better now due to the help I got on another forum. There are automated bots being sold everywhere I myself had a few before and have ALWAYS been paid especially when it came to bonus beating bots and other bots that would wait for events. I WILL NEVER ask ANYONE for money. I always pay people for the help they gave me like I did yesterday with the few who helped me somewhere else. Now that I know how to always get a number a roll I do not need anymore more help but please don't accuse me of as you put it "load of rubbish that is leading into you dropping a link to a website where you will attempt to sell this snake oil to suckers." I don't have a website I'm actually a regular tool and die maker who had a coder code me a program that didnt work for its original purpose but now works for a complete different game. Yes I know Casino have rules against bots etc but everyone knows bots and other cheats are used daily on all of them and if done right you will get paid.. I have again many times using my other bots and I have now withdrawn successfully from one casino from this exploit I have said above. If you have something against cheating a casino than I can respect that but don't accuse me of trying to lure people into buying something when in my first post I said nothing of that sort but said I would PAY someone for advice. I'm happy I found another forum where the members helped instead of what you just did above.. Good luck to you all.

No-one is here to help you cheat. If that is what you want you'll have to look elsewhere.

I have found several of your posts on other forums and the general response has ranged from ridicule to thread closed. I also noticed the words "progression system" and "profit sharing system" on some of those threads. So please excuse me but it looks very much like you are after other people's money. Lookie here at some of your posts elsewhere, posted yesterday:

focused83 wrote:

Hi guys some of you guys on here know I run a few exploits some instant ones and some ones that have a 24 wait period. Well I have a bot that is now generating 150-300 euro a day. It took me about a year to finally get it coded by a guy in the UK (He only coded the first part of the script I was able to finish it off so he isnt running it). I was thinking before I make a thread if anyone would be interested in profit sharing. Basically it works like this my bot can double any amount 100 percent from 150-300 euro but it 90 percent of the time makes way more than this. I will double anyone's money only up to 200 euro BUT it doesn't matter if you make 9000 from your 200 deposit I will only give back double of what you deposited and for now only up to 200 euro MAX. I do provide real time tracking over Teamviewer and will probably set this up on a VM network so people can login and see the progress depending if people are interested. I do have enough bank now to double people's money incase of any issues that may occur but I have been running the bot since June 2011 so I don't think there will be any. The bot only needs 100 Euro in it to run to do the exploit it executes.

focused83 wrote:

There is two scripts I did share with scudger and also another I shared with Thomas I don't mind saying how they work here and my experiences with them. The first is a repeated number script it basically waits for any number or repeats of a number and bets on all numbers except the one that just repeated this works great on no zero roulette but I would NEVER do it with a 0 on the board I have always won if I set it to 3 or 4 I have never seen 5 repeats myself but the script is customizable due to Silvers excellent coding that I'm sure people can mess around with it and find a proper progression and repeated number format. The 2nd is simple also it waits for a column to hit X amount of times and bets on the other two columns with a progression I have NEVER lost with this script if I set the columns to start from 7 repeats and extend it 14 steps you will have to adjust it to the column table limit of the casino you use but the earnings are slow but it is the only script I feel safe to not even put stop loss on and go to sleep at night.

This may be a waste of time but I will indulge you with one more reply before banning you, because it may help someone else who stumbles across your BS here and elsewhere.

I know there are automated bots for sale. None of them can change the house edge of any game in a casino. The ones for sale are commonly used by either bonus hunters to relieve the tedium of playing through huge wagering requirements, or people not smart enough to know that a bot won't help them win. They are also a quick way to get yourself banned at most casinos. A lot of casino softwares these days have in-built autoplay which is effectively a casino-sanctioned bot. What does that tell you? Also, a bot that "waits for events" is for suckers, as they trade on the gambler's fallacy (look it up, as it is clear you believe in it) which is a failure to understand the statistical independence of events. Judging by your posts above you actually believe that if a number comes up twice in a row and you wait until after that happens before placing a bet with one of your bots, that there is less than 1/37 chance that the same number will land on the third spin. In short, you are a fool and your "system" is mathematically no better than randomly throwing chips onto a roulette table.

The reason for my "casino programmed by amateurs" comment is that I am/was a programmer for the last 15 years and I understand how an online casino works. Judging by your posts, I don't think I can say the same for you. When you press the button to place your bets, this is (or should be) stored on a server which you cannot change with a program running on your own computer unless you have somehow hacked into the casino's server and interfered with the random number generator. If so I think you have more to worry about that simply not being paid (I'm talking jail time if you are caught doing that).

If they are allowing you to change your bets before the dice are rolled, the fact remains that any competent programmer would store your bets on the server and they would be locked in before the random number is generated that simulates the dice roll. If they do have a flaw that allows you to change your bets on the server (that bit is critical because I can see how someone could code you something that changed the chips and stuff that you see on your own installation but does nothing to affect the server) after the result of the roll is known then I once again state that the people responsible for programming the casino software are grossly incompetent. And if the software company are hiring such incompetence then I would be extremely concerned that they could not afford to pay me should I win.

Your posts so far have utterly failed to convince me that you even understand what you are talking about. You have posted nothing sounding remotely like an explanation for a vulnerability in the software - just a bunch of "my program does this, I can do that". In short it sounds like bunk being peddled by a scammer, and I still believe that your game here is to get people interested so that you can sell them something down the track. I won't stand for our site to be used that way.

Lastly the age old question is if you did in fact come up with some way to cheat like you have described, why on earth would you go around posting publicly about it? I also question why, if someone was smart enough to code you such an exploit that actually worked, would they sell it to you instead of just using it themselves and retire to the Bahamas with their unlimited wealth?

C-L Ed said:" Lastly the age old question is if you did in fact come up with some way to cheat like you have described, why on earth would you go around posting publicly about it? I also question why, if someone was smart enough to code you such an exploit that actually worked, would they sell it to you instead of just using it themselves and retire to the Bahamas with their unlimited wealth?"

Excellent questions, CL-Ed. I have been waiting to read how you replied to this message, as I, too, was very puzzled by it.

Thank you for standing up against cheating the casinos. You gain greater respect from us honest players AND from the casinos, by doing so! I believe that cheating would take the fun out of gambling, and I, for one, would be too worried about karma coming back around on me. I did wonder about this, too, if the person has such a fool-proof "cheat" system, why would the person post all over the place instead of retiring in the Bahamas, as you suggested.

CL and CL-Ed never wavers in its/his firm believe in providing helpful, accurate, and HONEST information, and that is why this forum will continue to grow and attract many good members from all over the world.

You, GO, CL-Ed!

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I cannot stress this enough - if someone tries to peddle you a roulette or craps "system" (or any other system), you are being taken for a ride. The simple fact is that no system gives you an advantage over the casino, ever. If the day ever came that someone discovered one that did give the player an advantage, the casinos would remove the games or change the rules (it won't happen though because it is impossible).

focused83's roulette system above will lose 1 in every 36 times, making it unprofitable in the long term just like every other system ever tried. Just because a number has been spun twice in a row in the past does not make it less likely to be spun a third time. This is the elementary gambler's fallacy in action. In fact common sense would suggest that if you saw the same number landing repeatedly (many times, not just twice), then you might have a biased wheel and you would be better off betting on the number not against it.

The fact that focused83 makes such an elementary mistake makes me think that firstly he (she?) obviously does not know what he is talking about and secondly he is not smart enough to develop a program that would allow him to cheat at craps like he is suggesting.

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