Ex-Navy SEALs Kill 60 Terrorists In Benghazi Consulate Attack

Originally posted by trysts
This is a bunch of BS propaganda, with a bunch weirdos acting like killing people is heroic.

BS propaganda in who's favor? What are you afraid of kids looking up to these guys who gave their lives trying to protect American citizens? Sure as
hell isn't a move to make the government look good. If you remember the government were the ones letting it happen and tried to cover it all up. These
guys were absolutely heroes, but you're head is so far up your own butt with your righteous holier-than-thou attitude. To spit on the corpses of these
men as you did when they were trying to do what the military is actually there for is disgusting. Whether the story is true or not, it's the principle
of what they did that matters most.

It's an idiotic story, but you apparently believe it. Hero-worshipping the invaders is for the most confused jingoists in society, Echo3Foxtrot. There
is a certain point in life where you should grow up.

If your really upset at the imperialism, why blame the troops and not the leader? Did the seals have any say so on the policy? Did they want an
embassy there? Did they want to remove a dictator in some third world hell hole no one should give a s$%t about? All the answers are no. Thew simply
heard AMERICANS crying out for help being shot and raped and without regard for their own lives made the ultimate sacrafice for another human
being.

Only a troll coward would blame them(seals) instead of the leaders who are reponsible for ALL of the decisions made on foreign policy. Your lame and
an ignorant coward, go guzzle your dear leader maobama, when the time comes hopefully you have a chance to be abandoned as well.

Thanks for those extra links. Firms it all up a bit more for me but at the same time it does raise a couple of uncomfortable questions (as i want to
believe in this story for a variety of reasons). For example, it does strike me as completely odd that the 2 ex SEALs had laser pointers but no
weapons - they had to scavenge AK47's but yet they had state of the art laser pointers on them? Something about that doesn't sit well.

Thanks for those extra links. Firms it all up a bit more for me but at the same time it does raise a couple of uncomfortable questions (as i want to
believe in this story for a variety of reasons). For example, it does strike me as completely odd that the 2 ex SEALs had laser pointers but no
weapons - they had to scavenge AK47's but yet they had state of the art laser pointers on them? Something about that doesn't sit well.

I have a problem with the story too.

Not so much with them having laser target designators, they would be used by the CIA for targeting terrorist leaders in drone strikes, as has been
done in Afghanistan and Iraq. The designators were said to be used while they were fighting at the 'annex' (CIA post) after they evacuated from the
consulate.

What I have a problem believing is that they would have left the annex unarmed to help at the consulate.

I could believe that they took weapons with them and ran out of ammo, then discarded them in exchange for AK 47's that were retrieved from dead
combatants.

If your really upset at the imperialism, why blame the troops and not the leader? Did the seals have any say so on the policy? Did they want an
embassy there? Did they want to remove a dictator in some third world hell hole no one should give a s$%t about? All the answers are no. Thew simply
heard AMERICANS crying out for help being shot and raped and without regard for their own lives made the ultimate sacrafice for another human
being.

Only a troll coward would blame them(seals) instead of the leaders who are reponsible for ALL of the decisions made on foreign policy. Your lame and
an ignorant coward, go guzzle your dear leader maobama, when the time comes hopefully you have a chance to be abandoned as well.

I blame the "troops", and their leaders. I think it's morally wrong to support an army used to invade sovereign nations, as the U.S. does. I don't
believe the story to begin with, but it's also an ugly story of the mass slaughter of human beings that you apparently get a warm feeling about,
pyramid head. I just think it's disgusting that people actually feel good about murder, and hearing murder stories.

The laser designator is not that uncommon. In fact you can buy them yourselves for about the cost of a good handgun. Today I read that the SEAL using
the designator was on the radio at the same time calling for an air strike.
Now he did so in a particular way.
"Where the blank is the Spectre?'"
THE SPECTRE
Which implies that he knew there was an AC-130 Spectre gunship already on station or had been told it was on station.

If the laser they used was visable which I have to assume it was unless they had NVG's then it not only painted the target but painted their location
as well.
If Someone in the WH was watching this attack and prevented that AC-130 from engaging the mortar then they are responsible for the loss of those two
men.
Plain and simple.

Ouch. That stung. But I had it coming. I wasn't exactly cordial in what I said.

I never said I believe the story outright. I will say I have read some old Medal od Honor citations from the world wars that rival this, so to think
it is impossible is to underestimate a well oiled killing machine in a desperate situation. But I'm not talking about the story being true. My point
lies with the fact that these men were doing what so many people know the military is there for: protecting American citizens. The circumstances of
the whole scene is questionable seeing as how it was a CIA safehouse and the ambassador was selling arms, so it may very wall have been a case of
protecting assets or the interest of greedy people. But I would like to sit in my fantasy world, if you will, and believe these guys disobeyed orders
to protect American citizens. That's the kind of stuff America needs, but unfortunately the story makes it a little far fetched.

I admit I have bias. I've been in the service for 6 years now. I want these guys to be the heroes they are portrayed as. I want to believe they are
perfect examples of the true mindset of us military guys. You know, we will give up our lives to protect this country and its citizens. Believe what
you will, but I will continue to believe that these men, who probably did not kill 60 men, are still heroes.

Some people call it invading, others call it justified. Until he American people stop following false idols, we will all remain split and doing the
bidding of the dark lords. I understand where you're coming from. That crap in the middle east I have been trying to avoid like the plague even
though it's my "job" to go over there. I've been to Iraq and Afghanistan. I will avoid going back at all costs. I don't agree with being there
anymore. Our purpose has not been met over the years and we have over stayed our welcome. It's time to tuck tail and run like the Russians. Who
cares. Lets fix our own crap before we even bat an eyelashes at the rest of the world. Tell the UN to take a hike, too.

If your really upset at the imperialism, why blame the troops and not the leader? Did the seals have any say so on the policy? Did they want an
embassy there? Did they want to remove a dictator in some third world hell hole no one should give a s$%t about? All the answers are no. Thew simply
heard AMERICANS crying out for help being shot and raped and without regard for their own lives made the ultimate sacrafice for another human
being.

Only a troll coward would blame them(seals) instead of the leaders who are reponsible for ALL of the decisions made on foreign policy. Your lame and
an ignorant coward, go guzzle your dear leader maobama, when the time comes hopefully you have a chance to be abandoned as well.

The ex-Seals were contractors, i.e. mercenaries, for the CIA. They didn't have to be there; they chose to work for blood money because it pays well.
Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Good gawd, it wasn't an embassy; it wasn't even a consulate; it was a US "diplomatic mission", which is an euphemism for a CIA base. Can't you
folks get that one straight yet? The fact that you don't even know what kind of facility it was shows that you are not in command of the facts on
this issue. They were likely conducting a gun-running venture to Libyan militia and Syrian rebels. They weren't protecting Americans, and the only
interests they were protecting were banking and oil interests. The CIA has a record of assassinating foreign leaders, causing coups in democratic
countries and smuggling drugs into the US to finance their clandestine and sordid operations. So I'm not too sympathetic to CIA goons getting
whacked. They're in another country supplying weapons to one group or another. If there were foreign nationals, working for a foreign spy service,
distributing weapons to various militia/militant groups in the US, you and just about everybody else would be raising holy heck. But it's OK for the
US to do it elsewhere, and how dare anybody attack US agents doing so.

By your rhetoric you seem to be implying that Obama is not your leader, so you evidently don't respect the commander in chief of the US military and
the leader of this country. And unlike George W. Bush, he was actually elected, rather than selected president by five partisan flacks on the Supreme
Court. Yet you claim to be patriotic. Typical right-wing cognitive dissonance.

And as more is coming out, it appears that help was sent to this CIA base, but that conventional US military forces were not sent because permission
of the Libyan government was required in order to not cause a diplomatic row. The fact that the Obama administration as not been very forthcoming has
to do with the covert nature of this operation, but that doesn't seem to bother you, FOX and the rest of the right-wing nut-a-sphere.

It also didn't seem to bother you all when the Bush II administration outed Valerie Plame, a CIA case officer working on monitoring nuclear programs
in various Middle East countries, and that her outting caused the deaths of some of her operatives/agents/informers. Again, the double standard of
the right-wing is INCREDIBLE.

I'm a combat war vet I speak from experience. Believe it or not, some people do love their country and the idea of it. Many also feel it is their
responsiblity to dedicate a portion of their lives in its service, not simply complaining then leaching off its freedoms like it is something they
have earned. Live in a country without freedoms, you would not even be on this website. Working for the CIA is no different than being joe schmoe the
troop.(may sound crazy but they actually work together ssshhhhh) Troops may not always agree with the mission, or even the morality of it, that is
not their job. If it was you could not have a military period, and shows you have a complete lack of understanding for its basic make-up and
function. Thats why it is YOUR job as a well informed citizen to ensure imperialists do not get elected and ABUSE the military.

Abuse of power is not the reponsibility of the troops, it is of the commander, otherwise whats the difference between the troops and commander if they
all have the same authority. Most people, like myself don't celebrate the specific "killing" of anyone, and in this case most people are
describing the heroism and selflessness it takes to forgoe your life for someone else. Hold you government accountable, that should be your biggest
outcry. But you know this and just being a lib troll

You have alot of stupid assumptions about the CIA. I have personally worked with them(CIA) overseas and they saved troops lives with valuable
intelligence they provided while they were on the ground, just like we were. You are talking out of your @!# and it is evident by your lack of
understanding of how the military and CIA operate. Using your logic troops are mercinaries as well.

To assume these were just some money grubbing seals is sad on your part. You should speak to people who have fought overseas. There are many
different circumstances for what people do, people who serve in the military have more heart than you so maybe you cannot understand, but I have seen
guys re-enlist just because the had a sense of loyalty to their unit and felt they had an obligation to protect them, even though they were facing
certain hostile deployment.

These guys were seals, use a little intelligence, what are they supposed to do when they get out? Many military people do government related jobs
when they get out, i.e. police, FBI, CIA, its common sense. It would be like getting a biology degree then expecting that person to be a chef. They
can be, but they are probably going to do something biology realted.

It is not the job of ground troops(everyone except commanders) to dictate mission, just carry it out. Your dear leader obozo is the commander,
imperialist policies are all his to own. Whatever you believe the reason americans are in libyia for, the ultimate desicion resides with the
president, just like it did for bush. You should learn how the power structure and accountability works before blaming two heroic seals who
sacraficed their lives for other americans, its shameful.

I'm a combat war vet I speak from experience. Believe it or not, some people do love their country and the idea of it. Many also feel it is their
responsiblity to dedicate a portion of their lives in its service, not simply complaining then leaching off its freedoms like it is something they
have earned. Live in a country without freedoms, you would not even be on this website. Working for the CIA is no different than being joe schmoe the
troop.(may sound crazy but they actually work together ssshhhhh) Troops may not always agree with the mission, or even the morality of it, that is
not their job. If it was you could not have a military period, and shows you have a complete lack of understanding for its basic make-up and
function. Thats why it is YOUR job as a well informed citizen to ensure imperialists do not get elected and ABUSE the military.

Abuse of power is not the reponsibility of the troops, it is of the commander, otherwise whats the difference between the troops and commander if they
all have the same authority. Most people, like myself don't celebrate the specific "killing" of anyone, and in this case most people are
describing the heroism and selflessness it takes to forgoe your life for someone else. Hold you government accountable, that should be your biggest
outcry. But you know this and just being a lib troll

First, pyramid head, the U.S. government, and it's military, don't give me "freedoms". I was born free, like everyone else on earth. Governments
and laws tell us of the consequences of specific actions I may take while living in a society. That is not giving me "freedoms", so I don't
'leach' off "freedoms".

Second, as much as you would seem to like it if all the people who keep signing up for the U.S. military would have no responsibility for the
systematic slaughter of human beings around the world, it's not so, in my view. Trying to defer sole responsibility to the leaders, instead of the
people who serve the leaders, is transparently false.

You are born free in america, not all countries. Freedom is constantly fought for and maintained via a countries military, not by trolls on computers.
The mere presence of the military ensures your freedom, even if you do not understand that basic concept. You do not even understand that other
countries our different. Simply being born entitles you a "right" to nothing, try being a woman born in pakistan. Your world view shows your lack
of basic knowledge on how the real world works. Your comments reflect your lack of education and are based on an opinion of nonsense.

Spoken like someone who has acomplished nothing in life. Just because you have no honor or self-repect does not apply that to all. The bottom line
is they did not get paid to die for the americans they saved, they did that against orders. Their orders were to listen to them die, they did not,
and lost their lives. Its pathetic that this has to even be argued. There is nothing more disgusting than some lazy kid on a computer taking his
freedom for granted and bashing someone who has made the ultimate sacrafice for his country. Very sad.

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