Well, I think feedback is the most important things, iand actually I did that on at least several scenes,Like when jess doesn't have the swimsuit, she doesn't want to go to the tub

But most of the time, I think I missed the feedback thing

And like I said before, I also regret the 2nd chance thing. Players should be allowed to go to the same place more than once as long as The goal is not achieved, although this would lead to more efforts on the gane-making

By listening to her previous advice on the Amy-game you already improved this game a lot! Now listen to her again and work on your storytelling/balance skills and your next game will be AWESOME.

I don't know how you plan those games, but maybe some kind of flowchart on paper before you even start working on the technical stuff will help. Maybe it also helps to start small (creating one possible path) and then just making it bigger by building more and more stuff around it.

Arnulf wrote : I do not quite agree with tlaero and her rules, because such a game is individual everytime and the game-creator should have his free decisions, how to make the game-story. Nevertheless it is not easy to understand all of the single steps and why they are working and why not. But believe me, in short time the main points will have been cleared and then for the short-thinkers there will exist something like a walkthrouguh!

Even when following these 'rules' the creator still has plenty of space for free decisions. It might be better to refer to them as 'guidelines' though, but still...And I'm not sure what you mean by "the main points will have been cleared", but it's virtually impossible to 'think' your way through the game in its current form. The fact that people come here and give hints/walkthroughs really has little to do with the game, and the game really should not have to rely on that to be able to be solved by the average player.

Anyway, I do have some things to add:In rule 1, feedback does not have to be immediate.Let's create a little scenario to illustrate this: Say you're walking the girl home, she's wearing a tiny dress and it's cold. Let's say you have some dialogue options (in which she might actually say she's cold), as well as the option to offer her your coat. Now by all means, giving her your coat is the best option. But, not giving her your coat does not justify direct feedback: if she'd say something like "Why are you not giving me your coat?", it'd come off as very pushy. A much more realistic alternative is that she begrudgingly accepts that you might not be a true knight in shining armour without saying anything (happiness -= 1, imo :P).But now we're missing the feedback, so enter part two of the scenario: you're back home and you made her a nice fire in the fireplace (happiness rises again). But, as a twist, because she was so cold earlier she refuses to go away from the fire (to more interesting locations?), clearly stating "No, I'm too cold, I want to stay here". And there's your delayed feedback, it does not have to be a game-ender, but it will certainly make the player wonder if he could've prevented her from getting cold.In my opinion, a scenario like this is much more pleasant than a direct "I want your coat" type of feedback.

And while not really on the topic of actual design, I can add another 'guideline': As a designer you're not the best tester. Now of course a designer can do plenty of testing needed to make it work (verifying paths works as planned, every works as per design, etc.). But, it is very hard for a designer to consider his own game as a 'black box', because he knows what's inside. He can never play it with the same naïvity as the actual players. As such, the quality of a game can really benefit a lot from some testing by a few motivated players before releasing it (of course these people shouldn't be afraid to show discontent with certain things, just saying "good game, I like it" is not gonna help much ).

By listening to her previous advice on the Amy-game you already improved this game a lot! Now listen to her again and work on your storytelling/balance skills and your next game will be AWESOME.

I don't know how you plan those games, but maybe some kind of flowchart on paper before you even start working on the technical stuff will help. Maybe it also helps to start small (creating one possible path) and then just making it bigger by building more and more stuff around it.

Really looking forward to updates and/or new games!

Great advice! I used to develop learning content in Flash and it was absolutely imperative to have the entire lesson plotted on paper before dropping anything on the timeline. It should be the same for any other coding format. As it is, you can't make it through Phreaky's game using any kind of logic based on feedback you get from Jessica. You've got to record everything on paper, then change ONE decision to see if that affects the outcome... and continue making singular changes to the route until you hit paydirt. That's a lot of work I don't feel like doing.

It's only right that the developer should do more paperwork than the players, but that's just my opinion. My Flash-fu is weak, since it's been six years since I used it professionally, but I'm taking a college Flash class next semester (towards an Animation degree), so I look forward to adding to the Sexy Game catalogue here.

Phreaky, you've got some real talent! I hope you'll take the Lagoon feedback for the constructive criticism it is and keep on keeping on!

It was challenging but I didn't get totally frustrated by it, I think people are getting a little overboard.

The things that added to the sexy variable threw me off at first because she seems pissed, but I was able to figure it out by looking at the code.

The one thing I think that should be a must for next time is that there should be a "fail" screen when you have gone everywhere and didn't do enough to get laid. Just getting stuck on the city screen but not being able to go anywhere is a stinky way for it to end.

As for going back to places, that would be nice, but not unlimited. There should be options that block returning that make sense storywise, but some that allow you to try again.

Hi, brain, we all love to play the game. As to my opinion, I think, reading and using the posts here give hint for hint to the players and sometimes they can get a further step into the game. This is my one cent to the game and I always be patient enough to wait for the next illumination to my brains. This is the main feature of such a game, please think of some girls, who are not as easy to get! (such thinking we have also to allow a game creator!)

Hello Jessica, nice to meet you. Tell me a bit about yourselfDamn, you're hot ! <Sexy +1>Err.. sorry for the language, but I'm just being honest (smiles)Show me aroundFollow JessicaWhat kind of things ?Check the laptopClick for the next pictureI could stare at that ass all day long | Great ass. I should take a photo of you sometime <Model +1>SureLet's go to the cityNo Prerequisites>Go to the mallExcuse yourself to go to the restroomLeave her and go to the store insteadHi, I'm looking for a lingerie. It's supposed to be a gift for my girlfriendI have no idea, but I think it's almost similar to your sizeGood ideaNice. Why don't you turn around and show the back side ?Yeah. But I'm a bit wrong about the hip size, though. Yours is... well, what can I say ?Yours is much bigger, to be honest. What about trying another lingerie ?Check out her assYeah, sureI don't know about her, but I surely love it. I'll take this one. Thanks, Keisha <Model +1>Let's buy some drinksBuy the beers <Beer Get!>Let's go somewhere elseNo Prerequisites>Let's try something naughty and go to the strip clubFancy to do some dancing ? (grin)Too bad, I was hoping you would take them offWatch the stripperWatch the stripperFinish watchingIt's hot in here. Let's have some drinks <Model +1>Let's go somewhere elseNeed: Model 2+>Go to the parkIt's kinda creepy, huhHug and kiss herKiss her neckContinue <Model +1>Let's go somewhere elseNeed: Model 4+ Sexy 1+>Suggest going to your apartmentWell, I'm not complaining (smile) <Happy +1>Let's play some gamesWell, shoot thenDefinitely romantic onesNext question pleaseHow about Sinatra ?I can read your mind. What next ?Sexy lingerieThat's all three correct, give me a kissMy hobby is photography. Why don't you be my model, I have a set right next doorGo to the setJust relax and sit on the couchCome on. You're just naturally beautiful. Just pose a littleGood one. But there's something missing here.Your costume. I bought you this nice lingerie. How about you put it onWait for herClose up on her titsDon't be, you have a great body. Like they said, If you got it, flaunt it (grin)Definitely. Now go a bit creative

Good. Actually you could think of making a career out of this. You'll be a great modelI won't say a thingSay nothingJust gorgeous. Absolutely gorgeousWell, you have to wonder no moreSay nothingYeah, you're rightGently push her back to the couchFuck herFuck herCum on herContinue

Hello Jessica, nice to meet you. Tell me a bit about yourselfDamn, you're hot ! <Sexy +1>Err.. sorry for the language, but I'm just being honest (smiles)Can I go to the restroom ?Go to the restroomSneak to the kitchenSet a prank for Jessica and go back to the living room <Naughty +1>Kiss her cheek <Happy +1>Can we have some drinks ?Anything will doContinueSureSneak to the other roomCheck the drawersTake the dildo and go back to the living room <Naughty +1>Wow, you look so sexy on those <Sexy +1>Girl, you have an amazing body. Just show what you got <Happy +1>So you like to browse a lot ?Me too, it's a good tool to keep us updated <Friendly +1>Approach and kiss her <Sexy +1>Let's go somewhere elseLet's hit the cityNeed: Sexy 3+>Go to the mallLet's buy some drinksBuy the beers <Beer Get!>Let's buy some lingerieOkHot. Go try anotherThe black one is sexier. Let's take this oneAsk the shop assistant about a promo <Swimsuit Get!>Good deal. We'll take that one, too. ThanksNeed: Swimsuit, Beer>Go to the spaLet's go to the jacuzziNot for me. Let's get inI really enjoy being with youContinueGood idea <Naughty +1>OkNeed: Naughty 3+>Go to the hotelSuggest to get a roomGo to the roomStrip for meWatch her stripDamn, those are nice titsYou're beautifulShow her the dildoJust play with itWatch herSuck meSuck deeperCould you deep throat me ?Ohhh... damn, that feels goodContinueCum inside her mouthOhhh.. you're a great cock sucker<>

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Hello Jessica, nice to meet you. Tell me a bit about yourselfDamn, you're hot ! <Sexy +1>Err.. sorry for the language, but I'm just being honest (smiles)Kiss her cheek <Happy +1>Let's just talk for a whileSo, what kind of stuff do you like ? <Friendly +1>Oh wow, I bet you have a beautifulYeah, I like music, especially jazz <Happy +1>Suggest to look around the placeFollow JessicaWhat kind of things ?SureI like it. It's unique <Friendly +1>Kiss her lipsContinue <Sexy +1>Honestly I want more than just a kiss <Sexy +1>No, I'm just kidding. Forget it, let's go somewhere elseThe weather is great. Let's go to the beachNeed Sexy 2+ & Friendly 2+>Great. Let's go to the beachContinueGosh, you have an amazing body <Sexy +1>Let's sit down for a whileSo, tell me about yourself <Friendly +1>Offer to rub her backSlowly rub downwards to her assAsk her to turn around<Club Route>Rub her stomachContinue rubbing her stomach <Horny +1>ContinueLet's hit the cityLet her changeWait for herCompliment her <Happy +1>Well, I think anything will look sexy on you anyway (grin) <Friendly +1>Need Horny 1+>Go to the clubHi Amy, what's on for tonight ?Approach AmyThank youLet's order some drinksDrink the champagne <Horny +1>Drink some more <Horny +1>Do you think the waitress is kinda cute ?C'mon. You have wonderful breasts yourself. I love 'em <Sexy +1>Go somewhere elseNeed Sexy 4+ & Horny 3+>Go to the hotelSuggest to get a roomGo to the roomDo you fancy a romantic sex ?French kiss herWhy don't you get more comfortable ?ContinueWait for herLet me see those beautiesSuck on her titsFuck herSuck my dickWatch her suck your dickFuck herCum inside herContinue<>

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Hello Jessica, nice to meet you. Tell me a bit about yourselfOne thing for sure, you are a very beautiful girl <Happy +1>Kiss her cheek <Happy +1>Let's just talk for a whileSo, what kind of stuff do you like ? <Friendly +1>Oh wow, I bet you have a beautifulYeah, I like music, especially jazz <Happy +1>Suggest to look around the placeFollow JessicaWhat kind of things ?SureI like it. It's unique <Friendly +1>Kiss her lipsContinue <Sexy +1>Honestly I want more than just a kiss <Sexy +1>No, I'm just kidding. Forget it, let's go somewhere elseThe weather is great. Let's go to the beachNeed Sexy 2+ & Friendly 2+>Great. Let's go to the beachContinueGosh, you have an amazing body <Sexy +1>Let's sit down for a whileSo, tell me about yourself <Friendly +1>Offer to rub her backSlowly rub downwards to her assAsk her to turn aroundStop and just stare at her beautiful bodyI'm admiring you, Jessica <Happy +1>ContinueLet's hit the cityLet her changeWait for herLet's goNeed Happy 4+ & Sexy 3+>Go to the mallLet's buy some drinksBuy the beers <Beer Get!>Let's buy some lingerieLet's try some lingerieOkTry posing with thatVery sexy, now try another oneLook at her crotch(I can see her pubic hair) (grin)Yeah, I love itJust try another one for the final decisionGosh, I'm speechlessBuy her the lingerie <Lingerie Get!>Go somewhere elseNeed Beer + Lingerie>Suggest going to the spaLet's have a massageWait for herLook for the masseuseHi Jen. Can you do me a favor ?Offer her money to give Jessica an erotic massageThanks ! I owe you one <Happy-Ending Get!>Watch her have the massageContinueContinueLet's go to the jacuzziGet in to the tub with herDon't be. Let me help you to relaxKiss herContinueSuggest her to relax moreSure, I was thinking about the same thingLick her nipplesFuck her from behindContinue to fuck herContinue to fuck herContinueCum inside herJessica, that's one heck of a fuck

@GraenI tried your walkthroughs, which were very helpful indeed, but the last one was unsuccessful in my case. I did as u wrote, but couldn't manage to go to the mall as Jess replied each time by "Not really a place that I want to go to now. Let's go somewhere else. Could you tell me what I`m doing wrong and how to fix it?Thanks

darkknight wrote : @GraenI tried your walkthroughs, which were very helpful indeed, but the last one was unsuccessful in my case. I did as u wrote, but couldn't manage to go to the mall as Jess replied each time by "Not really a place that I want to go to now. Let's go somewhere else. Could you tell me what I`m doing wrong and how to fix it?Thanks

Try it again, the Club Route and the Spa Route split off during the beach scene... If she's wearing her red dress, she's not going to be interested in going to the mall.

Arnulf wrote : As to my opinion, I think, reading and using the posts here give hint for hint to the players and sometimes they can get a further step into the game.

I think you understood me wrong, I'm not saying that people giving hints is a bad thing at all. Hell, I think most of us need a hint or nudge in the right direction for these games sometimes.

But the problem here is that someone has to solve things first to be able to give hints. Now imagine we'd have to work our way through this game without being able to look at the source (not having to look at the source would be one of my requirements for a really good game). With the game giving little, and in one case, the wrong feedback, this would boil down to days/weeks of systematically trying out every combination. I think this is a bad thing, but that's pretty much the point I've argued before, I'm sorry if it isn't coming across...