A scene that I don't understand

I hope I post this correctly, as a post regarding a seperate topic I made 2 days ago somehow disappeared.

Anyway-- in the scenes where Kirk is speaking with Spock Prime, I believe toward the end, right before the beam out, Kirk says to Spock Prime something to the effect of, "You coming back in time. You cheated." Spock Prime responds with something like, "Something I learned from a old friend."

This whole exchange doesn't make much sense to me. I think I understand what the writers are trying to imply with this scene: that Spock Prime's solution to the Nero problem was no different than Kirk's solution to the Kobayashi Maru.

However, Spock Prime didn't come back in time intentionally. And even not taking that into account, now that Spock Prime is in the past, he is not trying to change anything (save for putting the Kirk/Spock friendship back on track).

So going back in time isn't his solution to anything. It's just what happened as a result of his actions.

Am I missing something else here? Can someone please clear it up for me if I am?

I hope I post this correctly, as a post regarding a seperate topic I made 2 days ago somehow disappeared.

Anyway-- in the scenes where Kirk is speaking with Spock Prime, I believe toward the end, right before the beam out, Kirk says to Spock Prime something to the effect of, "You coming back in time. You cheated." Spock Prime responds with something like, "Something I learned from a old friend."

This whole exchange doesn't make much sense to me. I think I understand what the writers are trying to imply with this scene: that Spock Prime's solution to the Nero problem was no different than Kirk's solution to the Kobayashi Maru.

However, Spock Prime didn't come back in time intentionally. And even not taking that into account, now that Spock Prime is in the past, he is not trying to change anything (save for putting the Kirk/Spock friendship back on track).

So going back in time isn't his solution to anything. It's just what happened as a result of his actions.

Am I missing something else here? Can someone please clear it up for me if I am?

thanks,
mike.

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I took it as a glib reference to Star Trek 4: The Voyage Home. And on the note that Spock did not come back intentionally I agree with you, that whole scene seemed somewhat contrived. Yet another plot hole I guess.

This timeline had already be altered 25 years before Spock Prime emerged. In effect, when he emerges, the damage has been done and Spock Prime is now a part of this new timeline. There is nothing he can set straight. He might as well be a part of it.

To that end, nudging Kirk in the direction of taking over the Enterprise is probably the point they are addressing before Kirk beams out. Kirk certainly wouldn't have done that without Spock Prime's urging and help. Who knows where he would've ended up had he not been told to take that chance by Spock Prime?

As far as Spock Prime's response to changing history being cheating is that he learned it from an old friend goes, the only problem I had is I don't recall a time Kirk ever set out to change history. In TVH nothing was changed. Whales were brought to the 23rd century, but obviously that was supposed to happen. In "City" or "Tommorow is Yesterday", it was about returning things to as they were supposed to be.

I think the thing the writers may have done is play on the popular misperception that Kirk made many trips through time and altered history as needed. Which is, of course, patently wrong in reality.

The line that Spock speaks during the movie that made absolutely no sense to me was something like "Thrusters on full" during Kirk's promotion scene. I kept expecting to cut to the Enterprise and have Kirk use that exact line (kinda as a tie in to between the two timelines). However, since it wasn't quoted exactly I have no clue why Spock said it.

Spock Prime gives Scotty future technology in order to get Kirk and Scotty to the Enterprise.

That's definitely cheating, no matter what his motives are and no matter his assertion that Scotty will discover it himself at some point in the future.

Pretty cut and dried in that respect.

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I can buy that. Keeping in mind what you just said allows me to enjoy the scene more. Thanks for the information.

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Spock Prime, of course, is an old hand at time-travel, which young Kirk and his friends don't yet know anything about. Spock or his companions have done a bit of it and have done a bit of cheating at it from time to time as well. He knows that from his POV it's worked out pretty well most of the time. Transparent aluminum...

The line that Spock speaks during the movie that made absolutely no sense to me was something like "Thrusters on full" during Kirk's promotion scene. I kept expecting to cut to the Enterprise and have Kirk use that exact line (kinda as a tie in to between the two timelines). However, since it wasn't quoted exactly I have no clue why Spock said it.

Any ideas?

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Exactly as you said. More than once in the movies before moving out, Kirk gives that command to Sulu. When Spock says it upon watching Kirk finally take his rightful command, we then cut to Sulus typical thruster/impulse lines and a one by one to each of the crews customary moving out lines per the movies.

Basically Spock was saying to himself what he knew would come next given how often he remembers it happening on the Enterprise.

Its kinda of a old man remembering his past scene, and was really meant for the fans than it was the general audience.

It was also referencing the fact that it is now "full thrusters ahead" for the launch of the Enterprise -- with a series of new adventures ahead of them in this exciting new timeline/reality in which the future is unwritten.

Kirk's whole history is one of "changing the rules" or "cheating death" to win at the end of the day. Spock was just referencing that this is something that he learned from Kirk. It is also why Kirk is the man who NEEDS to command the Enterprise against Nero. (And begin forming his bond with young Spock in the process.)