LessO2:Just a sad reminder how everything boil downs to crossing our fingers that your kid doesn't get shot at school. that the media is swinging us back and forth like a cat strapped to a tether ball.

The world is getting safer. You just hear more about bad things, because if it bleeds then it leads.

LowbrowDeluxe:Mell of a Hess: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.

Surely you meant to type futility, not utility.

Nope. They work as intended.

If by that you mean that they notify people who wish to do harm to others that, if they're carrying a gun in a gun free zone, then they should not fear any immediate reprisal or resistance?

HotWingConspiracy:Mell of a Hess: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.

Surely you meant to type futility, not utility.

Nope. They work as intended.

If by that you mean that they notify people who wish to do harm to others that, if they're carrying a gun in a gun free zone, then they should not fear any immediate reprisal or resistance?

What do I win?

Herpa dee derpa dee do, friend.

No, he had a good point. Before gun free zone laws, shooters went into the pre-kindergarten rooms worried which one of those toddlers might be packing. Now, without a gun, there is literally no way to resist or fight back. Not a single way.

HotWingConspiracy:Mell of a Hess: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.

Surely you meant to type futility, not utility.

Nope. They work as intended.

If by that you mean that they notify people who wish to do harm to others that, if they're carrying a gun in a gun free zone, then they should not fear any immediate reprisal or resistance?

What do I win?

Herpa dee derpa dee do, friend.

Is that the 'splainin I was asking for? Please tell me why you think they work as intended, and while you're at it, tell me what the intention is.

HotWingConspiracy:Mell of a Hess: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.

Surely you meant to type futility, not utility.

Nope. They work as intended.

If by that you mean that they notify people who wish to do harm to others that, if they're carrying a gun in a gun free zone, then they should not fear any immediate reprisal or resistance?

What do I win?

Herpa dee derpa dee do, friend.

Ahh, the classic Farklib line of argumentation. Cast the magical incantation "Herp Derp" and you've "won" the argument without having to substantiate anything.

HotWingConspiracy:Mell of a Hess: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.

Surely you meant to type futility, not utility.

Nope. They work as intended.

If by that you mean that they notify people who wish to do harm to others that, if they're carrying a gun in a gun free zone, then they should not fear any immediate reprisal or resistance?

Mell of a Hess:HotWingConspiracy: Mell of a Hess: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.

Surely you meant to type futility, not utility.

Nope. They work as intended.

If by that you mean that they notify people who wish to do harm to others that, if they're carrying a gun in a gun free zone, then they should not fear any immediate reprisal or resistance?

What do I win?

Herpa dee derpa dee do, friend.

Is that the 'splainin I was asking for?

It's the one you're getting.

Please tell me why you think they work as intended, and while you're at it, tell me what the intention is.

You can read the laws as easily as I can. I'll give you a hint though, it was never argued that they would create magical force fields that guns cannot pass through.

lindalouwho:Mell of a Hess: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.

Surely you meant to type futility, not utility.

Nope. They work as intended.

If by that you mean that they notify people who wish to do harm to others that, if they're carrying a gun in a gun free zone, then they should not fear any immediate reprisal or resistance?

What do I win?

Whoa. I HATE guns, but when you're right, you're right.

LOL

It's astounding that you can't pick up the inherent flaw in this bumper sticker.

HotWingConspiracy:Mell of a Hess: HotWingConspiracy: Mell of a Hess: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.

Surely you meant to type futility, not utility.

Nope. They work as intended.

If by that you mean that they notify people who wish to do harm to others that, if they're carrying a gun in a gun free zone, then they should not fear any immediate reprisal or resistance?

What do I win?

Herpa dee derpa dee do, friend.

Is that the 'splainin I was asking for?

It's the one you're getting.

Please tell me why you think they work as intended, and while you're at it, tell me what the intention is.

You can read the laws as easily as I can. I'll give you a hint though, it was never argued that they would create magical force fields that guns cannot pass through.

The intent is to enhance safety at schools. So what , exactly, does the law do that enhances safety at schools? What evidence do you have that this law decreased the number of shootings, accidental or otherwise, at schools?

HotWingConspiracy:lindalouwho: Mell of a Hess: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.

Surely you meant to type futility, not utility.

Nope. They work as intended.

If by that you mean that they notify people who wish to do harm to others that, if they're carrying a gun in a gun free zone, then they should not fear any immediate reprisal or resistance?

What do I win?

Whoa. I HATE guns, but when you're right, you're right.

LOL

It's astounding that you can't pick up the inherent flaw in this bumper sticker.

YixilTesiphon:HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.

Surely you meant to type futility, not utility.

Nope. They work as intended.

Sending people who haven't harmed others to jail, while doing nothing about those who intend to cause harm?

You are correct. HotWindConspiracy is unconcerned with reducing violent crime. The only worthwhile firearm laws are those that cause inconvenience to lawful firearm owners; whether violence is affected is immaterial. If, somehow, a firearm regulation caused an increase in violent incidents yet still substantially inconvenienced firearm owners, HotWingConspiracy would consider the regulation to be worthwhile.

Callous:HotWingConspiracy: Mell of a Hess: HotWingConspiracy: Mell of a Hess: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.

Surely you meant to type futility, not utility.

Nope. They work as intended.

If by that you mean that they notify people who wish to do harm to others that, if they're carrying a gun in a gun free zone, then they should not fear any immediate reprisal or resistance?

What do I win?

Herpa dee derpa dee do, friend.

Is that the 'splainin I was asking for?

It's the one you're getting.

Please tell me why you think they work as intended, and while you're at it, tell me what the intention is.

You can read the laws as easily as I can. I'll give you a hint though, it was never argued that they would create magical force fields that guns cannot pass through.

The intent is to enhance safety at schools. So what , exactly, does the law do that enhances safety at schools? What evidence do you have that this law decreased the number of shootings, accidental or otherwise, at schools?

Show your work.

I think by this point in the thread it should be obvious he's not here to engage in intelligent debate.

Typical of the Democrats. You can't have guns, but I can. Much like you will find Republicans who hate gays in airport bathroom stalls across the nation, or Tea Partiers riding around on their government-purchased Rascal scooters.

HotWingConspiracy:YixilTesiphon: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.

Surely you meant to type futility, not utility.

Nope. They work as intended.

Sending people who haven't harmed others to jail, while doing nothing about those who intend to cause harm?

WHYCOME DEY SENDIN LAW 'BIDIN PEOPLE TO JAIL

Dude, you're getting hammered. Do you want to go do some research and get back with us?

Dimensio:YixilTesiphon: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.

Surely you meant to type futility, not utility.

Nope. They work as intended.

Sending people who haven't harmed others to jail, while doing nothing about those who intend to cause harm?

You are correct. HotWindConspiracy is unconcerned with reducing violent crime.

Nonsense, I'm fully in favor of neutering those that traffic and trade in weapons used in violent crime.

The only worthwhile firearm laws are those that cause inconvenience to lawful firearm owners; whether violence is affected is immaterial. If, somehow, a firearm regulation caused an increase in violent incidents yet still substantially inconvenienced firearm owners, HotWingConspiracy would consider the regulation to be worthwhile.

As the news tells us daily, today's responsible gun owner is tomorrow's family killer/office slayer. It's just a shame that gun owners turn out to be irresponsible people so often. We've tried to work with them.

Callous:HotWingConspiracy: Mell of a Hess: HotWingConspiracy: Mell of a Hess: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.

Surely you meant to type futility, not utility.

Nope. They work as intended.

If by that you mean that they notify people who wish to do harm to others that, if they're carrying a gun in a gun free zone, then they should not fear any immediate reprisal or resistance?

What do I win?

Herpa dee derpa dee do, friend.

Is that the 'splainin I was asking for?

It's the one you're getting.

Please tell me why you think they work as intended, and while you're at it, tell me what the intention is.

You can read the laws as easily as I can. I'll give you a hint though, it was never argued that they would create magical force fields that guns cannot pass through.

The intent is to enhance safety at schools.

Partially.

What I really love is the people that biatch about these laws the most are the reason they were enacted in the first place.

HotWingConspiracy:You can read the laws as easily as I can. I'll give you a hint though, it was never argued that they would create magical force fields that guns cannot pass through.

This is a pretty classic "nuh-uh" style of argumentation. Make an assertion, imply anyone who disagrees with the assertion is stupid and/or evil, and when challenged to substantiate the assertion, respond with

HotWingConspiracy:Dimensio: YixilTesiphon: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.

Surely you meant to type futility, not utility.

Nope. They work as intended.

Sending people who haven't harmed others to jail, while doing nothing about those who intend to cause harm?

You are correct. HotWindConspiracy is unconcerned with reducing violent crime.

Nonsense, I'm fully in favor of neutering those that traffic and trade in weapons used in violent crime.

The only worthwhile firearm laws are those that cause inconvenience to lawful firearm owners; whether violence is affected is immaterial. If, somehow, a firearm regulation caused an increase in violent incidents yet still substantially inconvenienced firearm owners, HotWingConspiracy would consider the regulation to be worthwhile.

As the news tells us daily, today's responsible gun owner is tomorrow's family killer/office slayer. It's just a shame that gun owners turn out to be irresponsible people so often. We've tried to work with them.

Egad. I don't call people names on FARK, but

neutering those that traffic and trade in weapons used in violent crime?

DanInKansas:HotWingConspiracy: You can read the laws as easily as I can. I'll give you a hint though, it was never argued that they would create magical force fields that guns cannot pass through.

This is a pretty classic "nuh-uh" style of argumentation. Make an assertion, imply anyone who disagrees with the assertion is stupid and/or evil, and when challenged to substantiate the assertion, respond with

This is funny... While I can imagine the occasional Joe Sixpack forgetting about his gun and wandering into a school, or even the airport, I can NOT understand how a guy who specifically endorsed a change in the laws regarding bringing a gun onto school grounds would bring a gun onto school grounds.

Every single gun owner I know of (and myself included) are hoping that this guy gets the book thrown at him.

What we are expecting is that he won't, he'll get off with a wrist slap, be a free man and STILL carrying his gun with no consequences. I so hope that happens, because then it gives us a chance to go after these laws to get them struck down.

A few things you won't hear about from the saturation coverage of the Newtown, Conn., school massacre:Mass shootings are no more common than they have been in past decades, despite the impression given by the media.In fact, the high point for mass killings in the U.S. was 1929, according to criminologist Grant Duwe of the Minnesota Department of Corrections.Incidents of mass murder in the U.S. declined from 42 in the 1990s to 26 in the first decade of this century.The chances of being killed in a mass shooting are about what they are for being struck by lightning.Until the Newtown horror, the three worst K-12 school shootings ever had taken place in either Britain or Germany.Almost all of the public-policy discussion about Newtown has focused on a debate over the need for more gun control. In reality, gun control in a country that already has 200 million privately owned firearms is likely to do little to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals. We would be better off debating two taboo subjects - the laws that make it difficult to control people with mental illness and the growing body of evidence that "gun-free" zones, which ban the carrying of firearms by law-abiding individuals, don't work.

AdvertisementFirst, the mental-health issue. A lengthy study by Mother Jones magazine found that at least 38 of the 61 mass shooters in the past three decades "displayed signs of mental health problems prior to the killings." New York Timescolumnist David Brooks and Cornell Law School professor William Jacobson have both suggested that the ACLU-inspired laws that make it so difficult to intervene and identify potentially dangerous people should be loosened. "Will we address mental-health and educational-privacy laws, which instill fear of legal liability for reporting potentially violent mentally ill people to law enforcement?" asks Professor Jacobson. "I doubt it."

Gun-free zones have been the most popular response to previous mass killings. But many law-enforcement officials say they are actually counterproductive. "Guns are already banned in schools. That is why the shootings happen in schools. A school is a 'helpless-victim zone,'" says Richard Mack, a former Arizona sheriff. "Preventing any adult at a school from having access to a firearm eliminates any chance the killer can be stopped in time to prevent a rampage," Jim Kouri, the public-information officer of the National Association of Chiefs of Police, told me earlier this year at the time of the Aurora, Colo., Batman-movie shooting. Indeed, there have been many instances - from the high-school shooting by Luke Woodham in Mississippi, to the New Life Church shooting in Colorado Springs, Colo. - where a killer has been stopped after someone got a gun from a parked car or elsewhere and confronted the shooter.