Saturn rocking back and forth?? What if CW Leonis were really Nibiru? Link inside.

It seems to me that the data they found was very inconclusive to say the least

I think you misunderstand what they have written. The abstract states that the earlier assumption that the force was sunward is not correct when they
examined data a period twice as long as others have inspected.

Would the Sun's heat counteract this? The model they used incorporates the forces acting on it including the Sun.

It remains unproven to me anyway.

Why is that? Is it because real scientists did the work instead of hoaxers?

So are you ready to provide even a shred of evidence to support that ridiculous PDF about Nibiru?

The paper purports to show that astronomical alignments, particularly that of Elenin, are the proximal cause of earthquakes of magnitude 6 or
stronger. To save you time before you read the paper and my critique of it, I’ll give you a short and long summary.

Clearly, Saturn is not tilted. If it were the delicate gravitational balance that holds the rings in formation would be adversely affected and the
rings would come apart. Also, it would be the talk of amateur astronomers all over the world that regularly view Saturn.

For example, here is an article telling people about an interesting issue to observe. www.space.com...

So I guess really i am more of a noob to this stuff but are you guys saying that the blue thingy with the blackish looking stuff around it has not
moved since may 2007 to become closer in May 2011( 11 times closer) as per the description in the paper?

How are we supposed to see this thing? says only in infarred, how can we see this in infarred or whatever? Tell us how to use or get infarred, so we
can see or dismiss the thing. I will look up infarred, if i spelled it correctly.

The Pioneer anomaly is real. It has been discussed in peer reviewed literature for decades. The suggestions as to its cause are debated in a
scientific forum where tough questions get asked about the correctness of solutions and whether or not issues have been accounted for.

On the other hand we have a childish write up by someone that is unable to provide fake data that an elementary school kid quickly sees as fake. The
nutter places an object bigger than Jupiter inside of the orbit of Earth. Ever see how bright Venus is? Anyone notice a bright object out there that
is incredibly brighter than Venus? No, of course not.

I have no idea why anyone would give such a childishly written hoax any consideration at all.

The answer is NO. Did you read the article by Alan Hale? There are a number of factors which would prevent what you suggest. Please go back and read
the article and he clearly gives pointers on the life cycle of a comet and what can happen.

Bunkers are being built and there are reasons for their construction. You can look the reasons up. Moscow for example will begin building bunkers in
late 2012 to early 2013. The city of Moscow is larger and there is insufficient space for the population. That is the reason.

Another reason for building bunkers is that there are loonies that have freaked out and want one despite no threat. I figure there are plenty of cheap
bunkers that were built for 1999 and 2000 and 2001 when the world was destroyed.

Seed vaults are built mainly by companies to store their "bread and butter." Some countries have built seed vaults as have some private
organizations to maintain genetic diversity especially for food crops.

The Pioneer anomaly is real. It has been discussed in peer reviewed literature for decades. The suggestions as to its cause are debated in a
scientific forum where tough questions get asked about the correctness of solutions and whether or not issues have been accounted for.

On the other hand we have a childish write up by someone that is unable to provide fake data that an elementary school kid quickly sees as fake. The
nutter places an object bigger than Jupiter inside of the orbit of Earth. Ever see how bright Venus is? Anyone notice a bright object out there that
is incredibly brighter than Venus? No, of course not.

I have no idea why anyone would give such a childishly written hoax any consideration at all.

Flat Earth was discussed for a long time in peer reviewed papers, is it the truth? It was taught in universities and to speak of any other theory was
blasphemy. Round 'Earthers' I'm sure they were called were 'roundly' ridiculed for their wild crazy beliefs. Experiments abounded showing how any
other theory could not possibly be correct. Do we live on a flat earth?

Tough questions involving the facts they were taught in a school using the approved theorems from approved literature citing others who were taught
the same exact facts, and no room for discussion of any alternative theories I'm sure. Or maybe they had a round table discussion where they delved
into all theoretical possibilities.

The lie that is often preached is that certain objects can only be seen in infrared. That is a lie.

What is really happening is that some objects are not hot enough to give off light. They give off infrared. Your hand does not emit light. It is warm
to the touch and shows up on infrared film. Even though you do not give off light you can still be photographed because you reflect light.

What the liars claim is that the object is invisible because it does not emit light. Can you see yourself? Can you see a light bulb before you turn it
on?

None of the planets give off their own light, yet we can see them in the night sky. We see the Moon and it does not give off light. Only the Sun emits
light. Everything else reflects the light from the Sun. Were this object nearby it would be brilliant in the night sky. Being closer to the Sun than
us would mean that it would be visible either at sunset or sunrise. An object that large as claimed would be visible even during the day because it
would be so bright.

I'm still not getting the Saturn tilting business. So did the astronomer tilt his telescope in order to get shots of the underside of Saturn's
rings? Did he tilt the picture? How do the stars wind up in the same place? Is there a tilt correction in the telescope so one object can tilt in
one direction and another in a different direction? The rings are still there so it must not have affected them. Maybe it's the huge new ring 3.7
billion miles out from Saturn found by the Spitzer that was the effect?

You keep saying we will see changes in our solar system, unexplained changes. I was just citing 3 that have occurred in the timeframe of this
paper.

I've said no such thing.

You posted 3 issues. At least 2 are older and have been discussed here. None of what you posted has anything at all to do with that nitwit write up
that was done by some kid with no idea how to fake data.

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