Emails Reveal Close Relationship Between Psychology Group and CIA

Newly released emails show a close relationship between the American Psychological Association and the psychologists who helped create the architecture of the CIA’s torture program.

One email between CIA psychologist Kirk Hubbard and an executive from the American Psychology Association, or APA, makes a thinly cloaked reference to the role in interrogations of the now-infamous CIA contractors James Mitchell and Bruce Jessen.

“You won’t get any feedback from Mitchell or Jessen. They are doing special things to special people in special places, and generally are not available,” Hubbard wrote in August 2003.

The APA has denied allegations that it cooperated with the Bush administration to modify its professional guidelines for psychologists so that they would be allowed to participate in CIA interrogations. Those charges resurfaced last fall, in a book by New York Times reporter James Risen, Pay Any Price. In November 2014, the organization appointed an outside counsel to investigate the claims in Risen’s book.

Portions of the emails appeared in the book, but they were published today by the Times. A copy of the emails was also provided to The Intercept, along with a report authored by a group of psychologists and human rights researchers. The report alleges that the APA “secretly coordinated” with Bush officials to give the administration the legal cover they believed they needed for the CIA’s interrogation program to continue.

In December, after the Senate Intelligence committee revealed new details about Mitchell and Jessen’s role in the CIA program, the APA gave Reuters a statement that the details were “sickening and reprehensible,” and that the two should be held “fully accountable.”

Yet over 10 years earlier, relations between the CIA and the association seemed close: In 2003, the APA and CIA even cohosted a conference on “The Science of Deception,” which was attended by Hubbard, Mitchell, Jessen and other Bush administration staffers, according to a report on the conference. The topics covered included “research challenges,” such as the reliability of lie-detecting technology, what pharmacological agents were “known to affect apparent truth-telling behavior,” and “how might we overload the system or overwhelm the senses and see how it affects deceptive behaviors?”

In an email, Hubbard groused about his budget for the conference to the APA’s director of science policy, Geoffrey Mumford. “I can’t stay in the hotel with you guys without violating a half dozen regulations,” he writes. “I can spend several million dollars with no questions asked, but if I stay at hotel for $300 bucks I would rank right in there with pedophiles.”

Mumford replies, “have I got a deal for you … as a special promotion for APA members, who also work in CIA Ops AND are willing to share their last names, I will pull that pawltry (poultry?) room fee out of my policy budget and put you up for the night. This is the very least APA can do given the remarkable generosity your agency has shown in supporting the workshop.”

The emails and conference report came from the files of of Scott Gerwehr, a behavioral researcher with ties to the CIA who specialized in “deception detection.” Gerwehr died in a motorcycle crash in 2008, and his exact relationship with the CIA is not clear. But he was copied on many emails that provide a window into a controversial period in the APA’s recent history.

The organization in 2002 amended its ethics code to permit psychologists to follow “governing legal authority” even if it went against other aspects of the code. Then, in 2005, following the first major revelations of detainee abuse in Abu Ghraib and CIA interrogations, the APA convened a special task force, that, while condemning torture, affirmed that psychologists could supervise and conduct research as part of national security interrogations.

Gerwehr was included on email threads discussing a confidential meeting on “ethics and national security” in the summer of 2004, which included APA executives and intelligence officials. The meeting was framed as a response to the “Abu Ghraib prison situation.”

A later email from the APA credits Hubbard and other intelligence officials with getting the 2005 task force “off the ground,” and notes, “your views were well represented.”

Another email says that then-White House science advisor Susan Brandon had been an “observer” for the APA task force and had “helped craft some language related to research” in the task force’s findings. (Brandon is now with the FBI’s high-value detainee interrogation group.)

The APA has since repealed the changes to its ethics code and disavowed the 2005 task force findings. In response to the findings of the new report and the Gerwehr emails, an APA spokeswoman told the Times that there “has never been any coordination between A.P.A. and the Bush administration on how A.P.A. responded to the controversies about the role of psychologists in the interrogations program.”

In an email to The Intercept in October, responding to allegations in Risen’s book about his role in influencing the task force’s position on interrogation, Hubbard said his involvement was limited to the 2004 meeting. “I don’t see anything inappropriate,” he said. “I’m a psychologist, was a member of APA at the time, and a member of the intelligence community. Why not provide input?”

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And Cora, I do not blame you personally for this. I am bothered that people are threadjacking your story, frustrated at the limitations of freedom and liberty when harassment instead takes center stage, and (while, yes, perturbed at the schizophrenic moderation (and queer lack thereof)) deeply sorry that your article (while a predictable response) is being used by others to turn a well-researched piece of journalism into a crapfest. You don’t deserve that.

Tho a request to whoever is moderating (waits for this to be removed as my quite rational suggestions have been thus far)… if you insist on doing db magic how about removing libelous and out of context “replies” instead of picking and choosing and changing your mind later. I am tired of monitoring these replies to see what words are going to be put in my mouth (sic) days later from days earlier, so to speak. I despise drama. It is unproductive and too easily contagious — and defeats the real point of all of this. I am cynical it can get better but that doesn’t mean I do not believe it is worth the effort of trying.

I have a suggestion… Instead of ad hoc ex-post-facto (sic) removing, adding, unremoving, replacing, and selectively deciding that stays and goes in this thread, it might make more sense to just remove all the replies to this particular post, close the comments, and call it a wash. I’d rather nothing than the picking and choosing going on, the incessant ad hominem attacks, the thread jacking, and the fact that even with “moderation” the narrative has become even more skewed. Context matters a lot. Noone should get to pick and choose what to (days later) reinsert. Don’t become that which itself attacks you (and me, and coram, etc.) It just fans the flames.

“Something very rotten is going on at the heart of American behavioral science, and I’m not talking about decades-old scandals — I’m talking about right now. Along with collaboration with the CIA and military on possible new abusive interrogation methods, the APA is fighting to keep its links with the military, and to keep psychologists as essential components of their interrogation practice. This is the program behind the Intelligence Science Board’s Educing Information (large PDF) report, which was accepted recently by the Obama administration as their new template for interrogation practice. In a future article, I’ll discuss how this report was set up by the CIA and military as a snow job to mask the use of pernicious interrogation methods that include techniques of psychological torture.

In the meantime, won’t someone with political clout open up an investigation of the CIA/RAND/APA meeting that plotted torture?”

Huh? Dude, I know there are sites for TIs to congregate and support each other in their paranoid beliefs. Why don’t you and your friends opt for one of those? Rant to your heart’s content about me and Kitt being psyops or whatever, and how you can tell this even through the torture.

It’s just not been welcomed here, as you must have seen by the author moderation.

I thought I heard furniture breaking, so I thought I’d look in. It’s a bit early; you’re still only at 204 posts. Anyway, it’s Sunday, and another “This Week with Grima Wormtongue” is playing on the “Cowardly Firing” thread.

As it happens, the Intercept’s national security editor, Sharon Weinberger, has some expertise regarding the people who claim to be “Targeted Individuals — people targeted by the government for mind-control and mental torture.

Weinberger wrote an interesting, lengthy piece in WaPo some years ago, entitled “Mind Games.” She is sympathetic to TIs even tho she does not find that they can offer proof or that they really have been targeted by the government. (I agree with her agree with her that these individuals are not necessarily mentally ill, any more than are millions of perfectly well-adjusted humans who believe in space aliens — and even that they have been abducted by aliens.) An excerpt — my bolded bit what I believe IS almost certainly true:

I WHAT IS IT THAT BRINGS SOMEONE, EVEN AN INTELLIGENT PERSON, to ascribe the experience of hearing disembodied voices to government weapons?
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In her book, Abducted, Harvard psychologist Susan Clancy examines a group that has striking parallels to the TIs: people who believe they’ve been kidnapped by aliens. The similarities are often uncanny: Would-be abductees describe strange pains, and feelings of being watched or targeted. And although the alleged abductees don’t generally have auditory hallucinations, they do sometimes believe that their thoughts are controlled by aliens, or that they’ve been implanted with advanced technology.
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(On the online forum, some TIs posted vociferous objections to the parallel, concerned that the public finds UFOs even weirder than mind control. “It will keep us all marginalized and discredited,” one griped.)
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Clancy argues that the main reason people believe they’ve been abducted by aliens is that it provides them with a compelling narrative to explain their perception that strange things have happened to them, such as marks on their bodies (marks others would simply dismiss as bruises), stimulation to their sexual organs (as the TIs describe) or feelings of paranoia. “It’s not just an explanation for your problems; it’s a source of meaning for your life,” Clancy says.
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In the case of TIs, mind-control weapons are an explanation for the voices they hear in their head. Socrates heard a voice and thought it was a demon; Joan of Arc heard voices from God. As one TI noted in an e-mail: “Each person undergoing this harassment is looking for the solution to the problem. Each person analyzes it through his or her own particular spectrum of beliefs. If you are a scientific-minded person, then you will probably analyze the situation from that perspective and conclude it must be done with some kind of electronic devices. If you are a religious person, you will see it as a struggle between the elements of whatever religion you believe in. If you are maybe, perhaps more eccentric, you may think that it is alien in nature.”
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Or, if you happen to live in the United States in the early 21st century, you may fear the growing power of the NSA, CIA and FBI.

Just so.

It would be unfortunate if TI became overrun, in article after article, with people ranting about Area 51 and their abductions to the Mother Ship, or what God has literally and painfully messaged to them most recently.

Jesus Christ Mona, every TI knows about Weinberger’s story but there was also criticism of it, particularly as she was an editor specializing in defense weapons systems. A note on her background:

“She has also worked as a defense analyst for System Planning Corporation (SPC), a research, electronics and computer software company working for the US DoD, where her work focussed on such areas as arms export policy, the Department of Defense laboratory system. Together with Dov S. Zakheim she co-authored a study for the think tank, the Center for Strategic and International Studies entitled Toward a Fortress Europe published in 2000.” Strikes me that she ought to know which weapons systems are real and which are not.

Wired editor Kevin Poulsen criticized her for not going far enough in her highly-referenced piece: If Weinberger [the reporter for “Thought Wars”] rea
lly thinks that somebody she interviewed is receiving microwave messages in their head from government spooks, she should nail that story down
tight and collect her Pulitzer. (Why not bring a radio spectrum analyzer to their homes?) Instead, it looks a lot like she exploited her sources’ delusions to add color to an entirely
unrelated story on government mind control research. For shame,

A detailed discussion of her piece can be found at MindJustice.com, found by Cheryl Welsh, a victim of electronic harrassment who has gone on to become recognized as one of the world’s experts on the subject. http://www.mindjustice.org/wparticle.htm

There is no debate any longer except in the mind of Mona and Kitt that these technologies exist and are being used. I have always believed Kitt is a sock puppet, but perhaps Mona is as well?

That’s a boatload of ad hominem that doesn’t rebut anything Weinberger, I or Kitt have written.

Look, I am not going to seriously engage you on this nonsense. Not gonna happen. You and your pals have been shown how at least two of the writers here, including Glenn, feel about how you carry on in comments — and you refuse to abide by their preferences. I’m not going to encourage or enable you.

Geesh, Mona, you’ve been both a radical nut case Jew and a blathering converted vehicle with much to say about your old one, but I don’t even believe there is a god, you nutcase. Your whole reason for mouthing off is a farce.

One or several, or several as one (I have no doubt that there are several user names being posted by a single user–and that that pattern is repeated by others) have been posting these same comments since the inception of The Intercept. Glenn has never shown the least interest publicly anywhere, and certainly not here at The Intercept. He has banned some for crap-flooding with comments similar to the ones seen shamefully destroying this thread following Cora’s article.

I don’t know what the purpose or the mindset would be behind any person incessantly harassing the founders and the long list of authors who are being published on a website to continue to harass the website, the authors and the other commenters month after month. If I honestly had problems of any sort that I wanted addressed I would seek help where help was being offered or at least considered. I wouldn’t continue to beg and insist on my importance by continuing to badger those who have shown no interest in my badgering. I also wouldn’t stoop to barking at anyone who suggests that I take my narcissism elsewhere — which has happened several times when a commenter has made such a suggestion following one of such comments, or several of such comments.

It makes no difference if these crap-flooding commenters believe what they post or not. The point has been made by the website founders that your subject matter and your destruction of comment threads is not welcome here. It’s incredibly rude behavior to pompously insist on making Glenn or others take measures to stop you, rather than you doing the only right thing, which would be to take your crapola elsewhere.

It seems this thread, including the unfortunate hijacking of it, are pretty much finished. But I’m not going to let that stand alone without response. You — and maybe at least one of your questionable team — have made that accusation a number of times on this thread. Glenn Greenwald has known Mona in the “real” world for a couple of decades. I met Glenn in person for the first time in 2011. I’ve met and spoken in person with him again since then on two other occasions. So unless you just want to continue posting doltish nonsense just to amuse yourself, you’d be doing yourself a favor by giving up on posting that particular nonsense about Mona and myself being that same person, or any sort of “sock puppet” at all.

No, your editor Sharon Weinberger must have approved deleting 143 comments and leaving your abusive comments about “alien abductions to the mothership and unhinged people”. So don’t blame the CIA Mona, because I am sure they and whole bunch of other people were monitoring this thread in real time. And they have ALL the comments.

Wow so all of my comments were edited out of this thread COMPLETELY even though I actually have credentials, several PhD’s, and experience and was trying to bring explanations and sanity to the matter.. even in places where it was NOT going on?

@Mona etc.: I think it’s pretty clear that some people here aren’t serious – there’s no law they have to be – and it’s annoying. But there are no accounts, no downvotes, and therefore, there is little real use in trying to rally people against silly comments. And that is very fortunate, because the “modern” method of forums involves something like Twitter with a GINI coefficient close to 1 (i.e. one post gets read 1000 times, the others zero). These aren’t even forums really, just places for those who put in the effort or money to get followers to broadcast their views to passive listeners. The hope can only be that some good commenters will pop in often enough that the disinfo and noise is drowned out by interesting conversation. So if people have good things to post, do!

Though the topic of EM harassment or attack seems full of misinformation, there is rarely a need to misinform unless there is some fire under all that smoke. And there are all sorts of ways to attack with EM. You could set up a portable X-ray source in a van that is aimed at someone’s bedroom. A global satellite network might reflect infrared laser beams to cause widespread fires in a target country. And though I lack proof, I am very suspicious that terahertz technology likewise has been and will be abused for war and surveillance. Terahertz frequencies won’t break DNA strands, but they can affect their noncovalent interactions. There has been considerable research indicating cell phone health effects – what if someone has been fine tuning those negative effects, finding exactly the right frequencies to cause something like cancer or depression by displacing certain general transcription factors? For surveillance, it’s already commonplace to use terahertz to look through solid objects. There is also considerable research into using terahertz to identify DNA, e.g. to make a sensor to detect anthrax in the air. A Chinese group was able to diagnose which species of fungus was inside a live tree with it. The question is, how far does that go – are they able to use it to identify individuals?

I wish that someone who guards Snowden’s still-secret files would crack them open to look at what they might have on terahertz, infrared, X-ray and other interesting forms of EM radiation.

Thank you Wnt. I actually have had dews shot at my from vans parked a few feet from my home. (My bedroom is maybe 10 feet from curb) as well as been hit with what can only be microwaves since it created the ‘microwave auditory effect.’ This happened mere months after the city spent months allegedly installing new sewers on my street. Curiously, when the arrived on my street, they pulled directly in front of my unit. And when they were finished, the curb was broken exactly in line where with I sleep, and a very deep hole was inline with that — both feet from my bed. There are many perps involved but one was Sean Serrahn an electrical engineer from Northrop Grumman and his wife who was board president and was only person to access unit from which other DEWs were used.

If you note in the document mentioned below about DEWS, Northrop Grumman is a major player in the field. Serrahn was involved in the experimentation and torture of me and it continues with government contractors and now greedy (and former friendly) neighbors cashing in on the gravy train. It’s truly disgusting. And no one, no one yet will act to end this.

I’m willing to be open minded, but you’re making a lot of claims. What is the evidence you were hit by DEWS? (I figured out this stands for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed-energy_weapon ) Note that I’d expect the sewer work could have unpleasant effects normally – I know that a Bobcat excavator digging into the ground close by can produce enough infrasound (which to me is generally quite audible) to make me feel dizzy and make the coronal suture of my skull feel sore. (As explained at the Wikipedia article, loud noise is actually a non-EM class of DEWS)

Answer me this: how does one ‘prove’ they were targeted by DEWs? I filed a complaint with the city’s inspector general’s office. The injuries are internal burns. How do you prove that? I telephoned the city’s 911 and told them to remove the cards being used as platforms for DEWs and they mocked me but they stopped coming. Yes I am making a lot of claims — all of them true. But no one will be able to put the pieces together like have until a reporter actually pays attention and does digging.

Proof – External tiny burns defined by a dermatologist as “external trauma to the skin”, lesions all over the white matter of the brain that isn’t show up on previous MRIs and could have only been caused by a severe electrical accident (which I didn’t have) because all possible organic medical causes were tested and explored.

Clips/Chips inserted during repeated unnecessary breast biopsies. One clip 2 inches long curved wire with frayed endings. No one in ALL their years of medical practice had ever seen this particular clip before. Far from preventing cancer, there were bizarre cell changes all around the clips/chips…that once again no one had ever seen. The tissue samples had to be sent to specialist after specialist.

There also also military RFPs you can track down on the web, for devices to detect Directed Energy Weapons to protect the troops, who they believe will fight future battles saturated with Directed Energy Weapons.

This is the last comment I will ever make on this website. I will not be berated for disclosing the details of a domestic torture program. I’ve done everything I can possibly do to get this information into the proper hands. It is up to people far more powerful than I am, to do something about these crimes against humanity.

My skin has shown evidence of burning immediately after attacks. I have set off X-ray machines ever since getting a flu shot and when I go through airport detector a red box appears on the left bicep of the machine’s avatar. Today I had blood in my eye which I can’t help wonder if is related to the severe burning of my skull and radiation that I was exposed to about a month ago just before one of the perps (‘working’ for Samir Mayekar, Google his name and Albright to see what he did directly for Obama), the implants are activated by a high frequency to shock internally. I recognize that all this sounds ‘disturbed’ but I do not plan to stop talking about it because all if these incidents are real and have happened and continue to happen to people in the US and elsewhere. And the only hope for it to end is for reporters to wake up, take these reports seriously or at least show the curiosity required to be a good journalist and not dismiss these reports outright but rather to INVESTIGATE them. I invite The Intercept to witness and record the removal of these bio men’s from my
body. Someone must listen and Mona must stop denigrating people who are revealing these — yes — unbelievable crimes. I’ve told many details — check them
all out.

In this case, it is a microwave-like technology, but one that cooks you, not necessarily anything as precise as DNA alteration.

Some forms of consumer electronics also have unpleasant effects. People in California always suspected the new PG&E smart meters as carcinogenic, and my own experience is that the earlier models will do things like trip GFI breakers in the same box. (I used a common electricity sensor near the meter and found that it had an intense, if short-range, electromagnetic field around it for about a 12″ radius).

The theories may be off, but there are things out there to be wary of.

These weapons are mounted on platforms, which have been described as physical structures that are used to support or deliver the weapons. A weapons platform can be a missile, aircraft, ship, vehicle, etc. Other platforms evidently exist, as described by the Journal of California Law Enforcement, which revealed in January of 2002 that not only can an HPM can be built into a van, but highly portable suitcase-sized weapons and ones that resemble radios exist. Such weapons, the Journal tells us, offer covert qualities and the deniability of use.

After two years of being a target, I’ve educated myself and am trying to educate the public. Because this is happening NOW to innocent Americans who have not been charged with crimes.

@Mona etc.: I think it’s pretty clear that some people here aren’t serious – there’s no law they have to be – and it’s annoying. But there are no accounts, no downvotes, and therefore, there is little real use in trying to rally people against silly comments.

You misunderstand my purpose. My commentary here is to establish the total lack of evidence the Glenn Greenwald — who has been invoked by several of these nutbars — has evinced the slightest interest in this shit. (Or that any other writer here has demonstrated an interest.) This is not a site where paranoid and bizarre personal testimonials reign.

To readers wondering if Mona’s screed is justified, I can assure you that she is dangerously uninformed about the covert targeting campaigns taking place against some Americans. Some sock puppets do come here to confuse, but an intelligent reader need only do research in direct energy weapons, bio mems, electromagnetic burning to learn that all of these things are real and in use. Mona’s angry insistence that the people here pleading for help are ‘disturbed’ places us in more danger than we already are. I also wish that she would stop seeking to piggyback on Glenn’s power and success by pretending that she is his alter ego. If you don’t know this, Mona, you actually are two separate people.

I am very suspicious of the talk about the exotic weaponry supposedly being used on targets, and am inclined to be skeptical about the firing of a laser beam at an oven (more chaff?). But have no doubt, U.S. soldiers and medical professionals are deeply involved in the touch and no touch torture regimens being applied to dissidents, they have an extremely large, varied toolkit at their disposal, and a massive budget.

I am also certain GG is not in the least bit interested in this subject. But the NSA doc trove was initially given to him, and the perps are the NSA’s customers — hence the convergence of interest here from both targets and torturers.

Mona is naively and unwittingly supporting torture, or she is indeed the enemy. From a target’s perspective, what’s the difference?

Why is GG not interested? I do not know why; I can only infer a lack of interest, given the fact that to date, only five people (correct me if I am mistaken) have gained legal standing to sue — for relatively minor infractions compared to outright torture and death threats. And all of the lucky ones were quite wealthy, public figures; one of them was even a member of the bloodthirsty W admin. I might be wrong… Maybe others have been helped. I have a job — where I am stalked — plus other demanding responsibilities (like you do) so I do not have the time to keep up with all the “news”.

I don’t dismiss all reports from other targets, and am inclined to believe everything you’ve posted here. But I hate being fooled… I have given my torturers many gifts over the years by being gullible — sharing an apartment with Stasi rodents… having dinner with a couple in the Yucatan who were Stasi rodents tasked with collecting personal info… The list of my mistakes is long. I trust no one from the U.S. now, while trusting only those I have known for a long time in Brazil — and I have to be careful about some of them, too.

The perps have carried out some very bizarre tactics on me, so I do not doubt your and many others’ experiences are even more bizarre. I bet a 3 hour face to face meeting with you would verify or eliminate any doubts between us.

If you are a target, you are probably my ally. If not, you are the enemy. How could I possibly know, from communicating with you via this highly compromise medium (the Internet)?

Apologies if you are not lying, and suffering a great deal.
– skeptically yours

I also wish that she would stop seeking to piggyback on Glenn’s power and success by pretending that she is his alter ego.

Uh-huh. I know, for a fact, that Glenn has banned several of the commenters here who are returned under different (slightly, in one case) names. I also know, for a fact, that Glenn has given no evidence, at all, that he thinks the U.S. government is “shooting some laser onto people’s ovens causing the porcelain paint to deteriorate and discolor.”

On the contrary, Glenn has banned people who say shit like this:

These ‘human rights” groups are completely infiltrated in the United States. For example there was one brother working for “The Center for Constitutional Law” and another Ratner was a major businessman/real estate developer. It was alleged, that “Constitutional Ratner” was covering and doing operations for Businessman Ratner. I have no proof, but I heard/read the numerous rumors. The ACLU is completely useless, don’t waste your time.

Because the ACLU won’t pay attention to this kind of thing:

These are but a few if the foundational problems that challenge our professed ‘exceptional ism’ at liberty. But because of the deceit and diabolical evil if these hidden ‘electronic zersetzen’ campaigns I would argue that there is no issue more important for the ACLU to address. People are being targeted, burned and then labeled when they cry out after being attacked. They are being forced into committing suicide, divorce, homelessness and even crimes.

Glenn has banned several accounts for voluminous ranting about this crap in his own threads. This is a FACT. Deal.

Mona, you are still talking for Glenn. I think he’s a big boy and does not need a voice box speaking for him. And should it be true (which I highly doubt) that GG has NO interest in the dozens of complaints here from people reporting being attacked with electric weapons and other abuses, he is making the same mistake he made when he ignored Snowden for many months until Poitras intervened. You also do him no favors when you try to convince the public that reporter Greenwald lacks curiosity. That is the quickest way to damage a reporter’s reputation.

A handful of unhinged people have overrun the comments to Cora Currier’s serious and excellent reporting. These “individuals” (about four accounts) may come from some freaky part of the Internet, or they may be here to “show” that the residents here are crazy.

We are seeing a flood of comments such as:

They have had military planes buzz my home and I believe shoot some laser onto my oven! The porcelain paint has continued to deteriorate and discolor. I hope one day a reporter shows up and takes it to test.

And:

There is no worse offense going on in America today than the targeting,’touchless torture’ and secret implantation of unwitting Americans

And we are told:

NameWithheld 30 Apr 2015 at 11:23 pm
I suspect GG is on the case.

No evidence exists that Glenn Greenwald, or any of the staff at The Intercept, share these, um, unusual concerns. I’d bet quite a bit that Greenwald does not.

Well Mona, I’m in agreement that often that these discussions about domestic torture are infiltrated with “crazy talk” to discredit the real victims, but so is every article about Israel.

Unfortunately, the situation is real and a much bigger story than Snowden revealed. My father among other things, did some contract work for the NSA. The New York Times has this and other documentation, they have footage (that many people including the police and FBI thought I was shooting for a documentary) and they have medical records. It’s some pretty damming proof of what’s really going on in America and elsewhere.

Pass the story…that’s what I told the NYT, when they wanted a phone interview (which would have been totally surveilled). I literally walked away from the pay phone. I don’t give a shit. Don’t cover the story, sooner or later it’s gonna come out.

I’d like to add that one of my few remaining friends that I stayed with before I left the country…is being terrorized. All of her pets have died, both her father and brother are now inexplicably sick.

My father stopped by while I was staying there. He was telling “war stories” and my friend said I thought you worked for the NSA. He said “that’s a figment of ____ imagination”. After he left, I told her I gave documentation to the New York Times that he worked for the NSA. She said knowingly “Of course you did”.

Your account, and several others (which may all be one person), has been banned here once already. So you’ve made new ones. You do not respect the site enough to refrain from spewing your, er, lamentations, where at least once it has been made clear they are not welcome. Especially in such volume.

I rarely comment. This is not one account, spewing “crap flooding”. I just had a bad three days, surrounded by military contractors in Range Rovers in a foreign country, plus my my friend is going through hell…so I’m a little pissed off.

Since you totally discount my experience, why don’t you have Glenn contact the New York Times. The documentation is in the Science/Health section. Or you can keep your head in the sand and pretend it’s all about “surveillance”. Cause that’s the tip of the iceberg…

The other point I would like to make is that the entire military is working in Directed Energy Weapons right now. They were developed by the Nazis during WWII, the CIA perfected them during MK Ultra…it is alleged that they lost control of the weapons, which have been in existence since the 40’s. How is this kept out of the media??

Shame on you for being so completely ignorant about a ubiquitous weapons system that has existed for 80 years. Maybe you should do some homework and if you don’t think these weapons were tested on “detainees”, you’re living in a fantasy land.

I am glad that Woody Allen’s daughter Sasha did not have to confide in you that she was sexually assaulted. I’m
sure you would have told her that she was a liar and delusional who should be banished from your company.

I too have contacted a writer at the Times’ science desk several months ago.

Mona, if there is anyone who should be ashamed here it is you with your insufferable righteous attitude. You are intolerable.

From release: A Directed Energy Weapon (DEW) system is capable of selecting discrete targets which operate at the speed of light and cause disruptive effects to the equipment, facilities, or personnel. The directed energy weapon produces a beam of electromagnetic energy, acoustic energy, or atomic/subatomic particles.

This report describes the analysis and forecast of the augmenting of the directed energy weapons market. It is segmented on the basis of technology, products, applications, and regions. The report highlights the factors driving the market, along with the restraints. It addition to this, it contains a brief about the recent technology, market, and industry trends in the market.

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Mona, I looked at your selected offensive comments and none seem implausible. What’s so hard to believe about the military targeting someone with a plane, that implants are being placed inside unwitting patients (see bio men’s and numerous examples of government experimentation), and that Glenn might be investigating? Are you sure you just aren’t mad that you can’t completely dominate the conversation?

Subcontractors? Taggers-on? What’s really awful is often people claiming (not going to debate veracity) to be victimised wind up feeling victimised by drawing people to places by proclaiming themselves victims, which induces a vicious cycle and I think few people once paranoid enough can differentiate between being the target of one type of cruelty and being the target of a different type of cruelty. Sometimes people are just cruel because people have demonstrated they will respond to cruelty in a way that somecpeople get off on. Then everyone becomes the victim. Though I think there are indeed sockpuppet armies roaming around also, especially on sites some people really do not like. Honestly I am generally far more surprised there is not more of it.

It’s there, and if you carry a smartphone, well, the Stingray and Dirtbox (cell tower spoof) programs are a matter of record. Newer cars’ navigation systems are nice, but people may not realize it’s a two way deal. RFID tags on merchandise are also a well-known phenomenon.

The police and intel people really don’t have to creep around your house or fly around it. You may have already taken delivery, and paid for it yourself. Consumerism was never this creepy.

But Lee Tien, senior staff attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, said privacy concerns are rising precisely because of these new devices.
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“More and more devices in the home are capable of sensing or recording household activity,” he said in an e-mail. “That’s not to mention the power of smart meters and electrical usage data to make inferences about appliance use and human presence.”
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Big Brother Barbie
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Renate Samson, chief executive of privacy advocacy group Big Brother Watch of London, said she’s disturbed by toy maker Mattel’s plans to market an Internet-connected Barbie doll with voice recognition technology that can carry on a conversation with a child …
— story

I have seen some jaw-dropping things on my digital TV in Brazil and San Jose — from politicians, comedians, and ‘news’ anchors. Years ago, I refused to believe my eyes and ears. Now it’s amusing… even flattering at times. I had no idea I was so popular.

No doubt the military is involved, starting with the USAF. If you despise bloodthirsty Texans, please give Lt. Col. Mike Caudle a piece of your mind. You can probably find him in Georgetown, TX. I already have, affording him a very easy shot back in Nov. 2008, when I stopped by to see if these monsters (family) had come to their senses after God’s Chosen (Bush) showed the world how evil and foolish they are… But that’s not possible if you’ve never had any sense in the first place.

And for any disenfranchised, armed, enraged young black men in East Austin — punished for the crime of breathing in the presence hideous crackers in Texas — go pay mom a visit. Look up a Diane Bailey. If that monster is still breathing, you can probably find her in Sun City, TX, just outside Georgetown. She is also the bitch who whelped a UT at Austin frat boy, who, with much gusto, used to sing a little ditty that went something like this: “There will never be a nigger Sigma Nu…” (I bet those brave Greek lads are a bit worried about roosting chickens now.)

They promised to murder me, and collaborated with my torturers.

If and when it stops, I will be a bit more magnanimous. Until then, such niceties are self-defeating. What goes around… they’ll catch on to the rest.

Most scholarly papers on torture classify it as aberrant human human behavior/pathology.
Which leads one to inquire about the mental health status of its members; people who exercise more power than they should within their human community.
“Amending” (destroying) their ethics code to obey governing authority shows a remarkable lack of understanding of human history and complete lack of any moral code within the individuals in this organization.

A disgusting development. Just shows that they completely lack ethics or any moral recompose whatsoever, and are willing to tread on anyone’s toes to heighten their perverse sense of justice. A truly pathetic union between the APA and the CIA should put the entire APA to shame. Without a fundamental sense of decency, how are they going to be taken seriously by any credible organization/person without the threat of force and intimidation? Bullying at it’s finest. No legal repercussions whatsoever for the bullies on the block.

The Coalition for Ethical Psychology http://ethicalpsychology.org/ has been all over this for years, at first working from within the APA and then, after the corrupt PENS (Psychology Ethics and National Security) report, as an independent organization.

I was going to stay out of this discussion, but my patience, as usual has been sorely tested in the past few days.

To all who are discussing the stalking/harassment/electronic torture program. I made sure everyone in a position of power knows…government (FBI, Justice Department etc…) and the media. James Risen can walk over to the desk of one of his co-workers who has substantial documentation. Glenn Greenwald can call James Risen and collaborate. The main issue is…who is running the program? Early on I had many “operatives” imply they were CIA or FBI, which led me to believe it was some other group trying to pin the operations on the CIA/FBI. Also, the expenditures per “target” are so massive that no agency (other than the Defense department) could possibly hide these operations against civilian targets, which are estimated to be at least 300,000 people in the United States and 1 million worldwide. Israel under it’s current right wing leadership is heavily involved, if Isaac Herzog had been elected it might be a different story. This is not meant to imply that the people of Israel are involved or Jewish people worldwide, who I believe would be horrified if they knew. Bibi is owned by some very wealthy powerful people in America, including Sheldon Adelson and David Rockefeller.

I believe the billionaires who doubled, tripled, quadrupled their wealth…since the financial crisis of 2008 and now hold the wealth and power of 15th century Kings are funding at least part of this operation. It’s pennies to them. Yes, the doctors and some pharmaceutical companies are involved…but who are the shareholders in Big Pharma?

And the military contractors and security companies that provide the “management” for the stalking/harassment operations and the expertise to operate Directed Energy Weapons, which sometimes are so powerful, they have a range of two miles…who owns them?

I know definitively that DOD is involved as well as Northrop Grumman electrical engineer Sean Serahn. But other government agencies also are involved as I know my local mayor is aware of my situation. The advice I got was to go see a doctor for medicine to ‘feel better,’ the assumption being that any doctor would label me crazy. But they have not. I was also told to ‘take care’ of myself, and that I can’t solve the world’s problems.

Also, Huron Consulting is cover for government contractor in Fannie Mae-owned unit adjacent to my own. I recovered a shipping label to perp and traced it back to website listing prices for govt. contractors and ‘lab loaded’ computers. Then I put that URL into Wayback machine and it has 18 related URLs — all related to government & surveillance. Pretty strong evidence if you ask me.

The FBI knows about it…doesn’t mean they are in on it. Without clear direction from the AG, they can’t round up a worldwide terrorist organization funded by the billionaire & corporate donors to both political parties. But the situation is so completely out of control at this point, they have to do something.

The people who initially showed up on my block were specialized military or ex-military (enhanced soldiers chemically or otherwise). They were not Feds. They were all driving very expensive SUVs, the type military contractors drive.

I have made it very clear that THEY, meaning the Justice department and the FBI, need to start arresting people or face the consequences of an extremely volatile situation in the United States. This did not make me very popular at my high school reunion, but I believe the message was passed on…

I didn’t give it to Risen, because I don’t know him. I gave it to someone else at NYT, who knows me well. I had to hide my intentions and repeatedly make comments about the Times not living up their reputation and convince others that I had no contact with the reporter in question for years (which was true). So no one thought I would ever walk in there. Otherwise, I never would have made it in the door.

I called Fitzgerald’s office directly twice. He had someone call me back and said to take it to FBI, but they are in on it. So I don’t have much hope on that front. I also visited an old friend whose husband works for FBI and left note saying I needed help. She called right away and left message, but when I tried to reach her afterward, she avoided me. When I caught up with her finally, she said ‘I don’t know anyone who can help’ and didn’t want to talk. I left her alone but not before clearly getting message she knew what was going on. AND I still have picture of gang stalker who walked her street as I was leaving a note.

My feeling is that psychology has long been associated with the CIA, i.e. Donald Ewen Cameron, but I think its pseudoscientific nature tends to trump its ability to do harm. I mean, water boarding is literally medieval technology. Show me a detainee with electrodes in his striatum, or at least one who has been made an addict with a central line delivering delivering a continual dose of fentanyl that varies with his forthcomingness, and then I’ll believe they’re actually trying. The question is: was the whole operation purely a corrupt, vengeful game, or is there a secret facility we don’t know about where they interrogate detainees like they mean it?

Superficially, the psychologists’ association enshrinement of obeying orders as the highest moral imperative in their code of ethics appears laudable. But it indicates they had some reservations about whether their members would embrace torture voluntarily. This demonstrates that the process of recruiting new candidates and training them in this field must be improved. A screening process could be used whereby people with the proper tendencies were identified at an early age, and could be placed in a specialized study program. This would create a conduit of new trainees culminating in full membership in the apa.

Like a horde of primitive ancestors gone mad, they swarm on the torturee — letting the victim know their place. The fact that the victim is deceptive is without doubt; the fact that the torture victim is hiding something is beyond circumspection. Just goes to show that power and influence have wed together in a union of treatment that we so negatively attack as “torture”. Surely, there must be some benefits to this treatment. I mean, torture has a bad reputation. Sure it’s against the law and the APA went along with it, but hey, what could go wrong when the torturer’s intent is for something to go incredibly wrong? Just because they want the worst possible outcome and are the ones in the position of authority does not necessarily mean that it wasn’t supposed to happen. I mean, for all the negativity on this thread about torture and reckless destruction, I think these two phenomena have gotten a bad rap. Lighten up and acknowledge the fact that you deserve the torture! Smile in the breeze as you endure horrific acts that should be relegated to actions conceived only by criminals in insane asylums! The irony is that these good-natured men and women of the APA and the CIA are the ones fighting the despicable criminals and madmen of the previous sentence. Sometimes you are hardest on yourself. A good lesson to learn for the CIA and the APA. I mean, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander, so why not open up a little about your love of torture and begin torturing yourselves? I think that’s where they slipped up, but then again with the heavy workload of these two organizations who’s to say they aren’t tortured enough? The professionalism that they must exhibit on a day-by-day basis is unquestioned; so what if they want to relieve a little tension from their work week with a little torture? I mean, we all have our vices.

Can’t people all just assume whatever they tell us to be afraid of is underproportionate but totally mappable to something they themselves have discovered how to do, and know they could do, and want to make sure noone but them can do or get away with without their express authorisation?

I think psychologists who are not involved in doing the CIA’s bidding should sue the APA for defamation. The American Medical Association and the American Psychiatric Association defrocked members who worked on the torture programs. The APA should have done the same thing a long time ago.

Everyone has turned a blind eye. The law — i.e attorneys general, FBI, police, state, mayors, governors, Congressmembers — they are all complicit in order to get their piece of the piece. Lawyers are too afraid to challenge the government. Part of the problem has been that only now reporters are beginning to understand the targets aren’t crazy and that these weapons being used are mere electromagnetic fields. Once that realization is out, it’s not hard to believe the targets’ complaints and much easier to piece together how and what the perps are doing. There are tools to find these electromagnetic fields in homes, so it shouldn’t be that hard to detect once someone begins to complain about being ‘burned.’ Ordinary people need to wake up. Until we are marching en masse like the Baltimore protesters nothing will change.

The ACLU? The ones who have had an FOIA lawsuit in the Manhattan district court on the torture videotapes? Fun fact: Judge Hellerton has ordered the administration to release them and the deadline is sometime in May.

The swarms of stalking spies are extremely careful not to give evidence to targets, and the ACLU won’t give targets the time of day without it. Another obstacle: every real target’s story is buried in a huge pile of disinformation.

I like you. But if you simply adopt the ACLU’s attitude about it — people who claim Americans are torturing Americans are crazies — I have been fooled again.

Targeted individuals have sought help from the ACLU for a decade and have only gotten the doors slammed in their faces. Of course the ACLU does many wonderful things but it too is about a decade behind the abuses.

They don’t take every case, or even every civil liberties case, or maybe just file an amicus brief. Resources are thin, especially with all the national-security litigation they’ve had to do against the Obama administration. And if they lose, it’s bad case law, whether it’s the Jeppesen Dataplan line of lost cases, or, historically, the Korematsu ruling, which still stands. They have to pick their fights.

There is no worse offense going on in America today than the targeting,’touchless torture’ and secret implantation of unwitting Americans. There is nothing more important than revealing these hidden crimes against humanity. There are many many abuses as revealed here at The Intercept daily — the differing standards of judicial system for whites and blacks, the corrupt financing of political campaigns by lobbyists and well heeled special interests, the elimination of the First and Fourth and Amendments by intelligence services, the criminal inhumanity of keeping prisoners in isolation for 23 hours out of the day, the continued existence of Guantanamo and its lack of due process for men who’ve been imprisoned in some cases for more than a decade. These are but a few if the foundational problems that challenge our professed ‘exceptional ism’ at liberty. But because of the deceit and diabolical evil if these hidden ‘electronic zersetzen’ campaigns I would argue that there is no issue more important for the ACLU to address. People are being targeted, burned and then labeled when they cry out after
being attacked. They are being forced into committing suicide, divorce, homelessness and even crimes. Myron May was undoubtedly a targeted individual. They have no one to go to —
police are complicit, doctors label them
crazy, perps lie as they commit crimes in front of your eyes. Someone commented here before that ‘there is no way out’ for these people. Their only hope is that journalists wake up, that the next Snowden steps forward, and that some civil liberties group finally rises to meet
the enemy. The evidence is there — they must do the work and document it.

@S. Butler
There are worse things than what is happening to me — and many others, I am sure. Having said that, I’m still pretty fucking self-interested; it’s like having terminal cancer in a world that denies such a thing even exists.

Smedley, when even people who have explicitly done things to “earn” a high degree of attention (or “are” explicitly “interesting”), such as certain pronouncedly vocal activists, political dissidents, or heavily infiltrated religious groups, cannot gain ground in either the legal system, the hearts/minds of people or indeed anywhere, it is safe to bet that (whether or not there are conspiracies, some groups of really nasty people who “just” get off screwing with people, or anything else) – while it may not feel irrelevant, and certainly those who perceive themselves as targeted won’t see themselves as irrelevant, regardless of circumstances, the problem is far far larger than just getting someone to listen to you long enough to figure out if your story is true ir not. The ACLU has limited funds and resources. People either cling to conspiracies or repel them, but it is very difficukt for most people to whittle thungs down to their component parts, weigh out facts, figure out how gaps get filled in, and come up with (debatable) truths (or, dare to dream, Truth). MLK never got to live to see the COINTELPRO evidence come out that was used to attempt to screw with his mind. The LSD MKULTRA coverup was a coverup for a totally different coverup. Sometimes coverups and conspiracies are made up expressly to make different questions go away. But none of this really matters, any more than any single one of us does. And your story, while important, is no more or less important than anybody else’s story… At this point we need to focus on getting larger matters addressed, and to do that one often has to use the most obvious cases possible. Even then, people still generally will make excuses or be in denial of stuff like the MLK letter/blackmail.

You need to start with what you have a chance at causing more people to wonder why and how things are overstepped, not ‘if’.

These ‘human rights” groups are completely infiltrated in the United States. For example there was one brother working for “The Center for Constitutional Law” and another Ratner was a major businessman/real estate developer. It was alleged, that “Constitutional Ratner” was covering and doing operations for Businessman Ratner. I have no proof, but I heard/read the numerous rumors. The ACLU is completely useless, don’t waste your time.

You have to understand how the billionaires and their minions are thinking…sustainable earth 1 billion. Oh and they’re working on personally living until at least 300 years old. Notice how many of them are 80s, 90s, 99 and still actively ruling the world. Ranters will live, the police, the FBI, the CIA will all die and their kids…unless they join the junta. So guess what, the “Jig is up”, because the military, police et al are just as likely to shoot at these .01% motherfu*$ckers, than they are are to protect them.

A well known businessman…now philanthropist asked the Rockefeller’s for guidance when setting up his foundations. This businessman still has an investment division that nobody knows about. They are heavily invested in DNA sequencing, which is considered a bioweapon, because it can target large specific populations. Perhaps his intentions are good, I don’t know. I just know for a fact that the .01% and the military are planning for the worst case scenario regarding future events.

The multi-billionaire in question, has steel walls that come down as part of his security…in case one of his “precious” children would be kidnapped in his home. The security is insane. Because they are so much more important than the rest of of the humanity.

FBI, DOJ do your fucking jobs and protect the American people against these predators.

Ok, Bill Gates. Hey, you never know maybe he’s a real good guy. But I suggest the multi-national terrorist organization back the fu*ck off or I might get even chattier, since I worked at the private equity firm.

AG14:
“and the military are planning for the worst case scenario regarding future events.”
is not really entirely accurate. Militaries think strategically (even if they usually do so in flawed manners; people are limited by their own lack of intelligence (in every sense of the word) and insight. Most people cannot do a whit of reality testing, for instance). Some chess players are better than others… some have the benefit of “cheating”. But most good strategists do not so much plan for the “worst case scenario” — they plan for as many scenarios as they can, but more to the point they find a way to make even offensive strikes against them capable of furthering their own agenda(s). To some, that may mean causing “offensive strikes” (and this is where ‘conspiracies’, both real and imagined, intermingle in the ways easiest to (ironically) use against people, regardless of veracity)… and while I do not discount the existence of some conspiracies, it is far far more common to just be well-versed in the art of opportunistic Macchiavellianism and know how to twist the conveniently-placed knife.

AG14: priming and psychological shape charges for amplified effect of affect are, as an example, something that really is applied vigorously. The human mind does not need bludgeoning… it is best manipulated via hints and suggestions; one’s own mind often then provides the bulk of the actual “work”, fills in the blanks, and tries to make “sense”. One can go in these circles for years led by merely a hint or three a year. People can far more effectively create their own psychological prisons at little or no expense to anyone. The mind is a pattern-matching machine, and pumped up on norepinephrine and cortisol, it will furiously attempt to find a way to frame anything in a way it can make sense of, even if it is to the self’s own detriment.

” The human mind does not need bludgeoning… it is best manipulated via hints and suggestions; one’s own mind often then provides the bulk of the actual “work”, fills in the blanks, and tries to make “sense”. One can go in these circles for years led by merely a hint or three a year. People can far more effectively create their own psychological prisons at little or no expense to anyone. The mind is a pattern-matching machine, and pumped up on norepinephrine and cortisol, it will furiously attempt to find a way to frame anything in a way it can make sense of, even if it is to the self’s own detriment.

Sounds like you are one of the APA psychologists who participated in creating these mental games against targets. You love the game and think you are smarter than everyone else.

Dismantling any system requires knkwledge of how that system works. Cognitive empathy is not the same as emotional empathy. One needn’t be a sociopath to learn how sociopaths think, and one most certainly doesn’t need to sympathise with it.

The System is sociopathic. Its subsystems are also typically sociopathic. Such Systems need to be approached as one would approach a sociopath, which is to say with great caution and a lot of information. You cannot fight what you cannot predict.

Psychology isn’t magic, and you do not need to be a practitioner of the Black Arts (and I use the term “Art” here with a sneer) to pick it apart.

In fact often the biggest question traumatised individuals contend with is “why?”, or more specifically “why me?”. The source of trauma doesn’t change this, be it a natural disaster, a technological disaster, abuse, war, or any other sort of trauma. Often there is no answer for “why me?” but “why?” is a bit more approachable.

I harbour no grudges. I am not going to argue with you about my intentions. I do hope you find whatever it is you need, as long as it doesn’t harm other people (or yourself). Leaving thread. Be well.

Sooo….does any practicing psychologist have to (de facto) be a member of the APA in order to get priority on referrals, medical accesses, priority on journal articles, or other privileges? If not, surely any psychologist with a conscience would quit this terrible organization.

I find this disturbing, as I’m completing studies to put me as a professional in the field of psychiatry and psychology, and the field seems just as corrupted as anything else establishment-controlled. I don’t think anyone who could have been involved in this is truly in their right mind, personally.

Good. Use your skills wisely. Keep your sharp mind and make sure you do not reach burnout by being vigilant for the signs of it (compassionate burnout is quite common).

You and only you have the right and ability how you use your knowledge and mind, and you bear the responsibility for it. Not the APA, any more than the AMA can make a doctor perform human vivisection or AARP can make a “retired person” ‘act old’. Organisations are prone to all sorts of misconduct, and the leaderships often make horrible decisions (take the dietary association in the 70s/80s). But leaderships can be changed and overhauled. Sometimes that winds up… less than ideal (DSM’s increasing pathologisation and fuzzy definitions replacing ease of coding). Other times it can create something far sturdier in its place.

Either way… Professional organisations are not themselves necessarily the enemy – in this case pathology (ironically) is. They can create disasters like any contagious idea can but…

It is important to understand that there is no real scientific basis for the observations and diagnoses of the pseudo-medical profession of Psychiatry.
There is an established history that the basis resides not in medicine, but in the torturous experiments and/or practices called research studies specifically conducted by so-called professionals of questionable ethics and moral integrity.
Today this has evolved into an economically lucrative collective business enterprise that has is own niche in the Medical Industrial Complex (practitioners, pharmaceutical giants, and insurance companies).
The ability to thrive off of the implementation of torture and fear is the founding force of the Psychiatric profession.

Nah! The CIA wouldn’t use corrupt psychologists or psychiatrists to promote torture. They must have learned their lesson by now. Recall when they dosed unsuspecting Americans with LSD with project MK Ultra as a study of interrogations and psychological warfare. But they would never go down that road again. Right?

BTW, corrupt psychologists or psychiatrists are used to design torture. Others implement it. I have no idea which and how many organizations are involved, but it is reasonable to assume the CIA is involved when targets are outside US borders, as I am today — in Brazil.

The CIA no longer just operates outside U.S. Its agents are performing same covert actions here as they do offshore. As a target of ‘touchless torture,’ it was only months before I stumbled on the experiments of ‘learned helplessness’ and realized this was part of their agenda. Experimentation most definitely is a primary goal, combined with desire to destroy the lives and reputations of individuals deemed ‘dissidents’ and political enemies as well as just the unlucky. Targets have been complaining here as far back as the release of secret documents showing government was targeting Wikileaks supporters as well as implementing programs to destroy and defame targets. Go back and read the loud laments in those early TI stories. Pay closer attention to their complaints. Much has been revealed here but too often the revelations are dismissed.

I believe your statement about CIA involvement inside US borders, but have no proof. And I have been “touch tortured” and Zersetzung targeted for more than ten years (another understatement). So believe me — I have done a little homework. I am also convinced that the cumulative cost of my little experiment is in the tens of millions.

If you are not Stasi, you will understand I have “trust issues” about you.

Stan, my msg was intended for anyone but you. I know intimately of what you speak. My goal is to make the other well-intentioned readers here wake up to the depth of the depravity going on within our own borders. There are so many people involved — and so much money being spent — in the campaign against me it provokes mouth gapes. They have had military planes buzz my home and I believe shoot some laser onto my oven! The porcelain paint has continued to deteriorate and discolor. I hope one day a reporter shows up and takes it to test.

And I sent GG an email yesterday asking if he would indulge me in a cup of coffee up in Rio, less than an hour away… No luck. I want to write a book, and want his attourney/jouno’s opinion: (1) non-fiction, comparing East German Stasi’s tactics with the US’ own variety, followed by my own experience as a target, or (2) fiction, based on my own experiences, plus shit I just make up — which could not be any more bizarre than the real deal… In the style of hysterical realism.

When I think it really can’t get any worse, reports such as this hit the wires.

I’m embarrassed and ashamed that the nation I emigrated to, over fifty years ago, is fast becoming one of, and perhaps even the worst abuser of human rights on the planet.

Yet the powers that be, strut around, professing to be earth bound angels, when in fact they orchestrate the most heinous of crimes, torturing and killing people, without due process, all over the planet, and routinely killing thousands of innocents, in the process, which they categorize as “collateral” damage, a tactic that is part of their program of “perception management”.

Collateral is generally inanimate, as in not alive, so imprinting such thoughts lessens the seriousness, when the crimes become public knowledge.

The failure to acknowledge their crimes, insulates them from acceptance of guilt, and punishment, and causes the behavior to become accepted, especially here in the United States, as we are now seeing all over the nation, as our heavily militarized police departments run roughshod over people in our cities and towns, generally minorities, who do not have the wherewithal to defend themselves.

Any reasonable person can see that something is terribly wrong, and if not soon dealt with, will make us a pariah among nations, something to be seriously afraid of, instead of respected.

It’s a real kick in the ass, isn’t it. To learn that the country you chose to live in turns out to be as corruptible as any other. The US has been, from before its inception, involved in genocide, forced relocations of its inhabitants(many times), medical experiments on unsuspecting citizens and inhabitants(many times), and I could go on, but I suggest you look for yourself. I lived most of my life believing the US was the good guys, who could never knowingly do the morally bankrupt things I just described. I started to question whether what I believed was true or just in my imagination. It doesn’t take much research to learn the facts, and the facts cannot support the image most have of the US.

The US is just a bunch of different people from different places who came and took over other peoples’ “home country” (the Native American tribes, generally speaking) — generally wise, peaceable tribes who had limited tribal war and a great respect for people, creatures and the land. Their generosity was rewarded with such gifts as the deliberate spread of smallpox in trade for food, shelter and aid in survival. Which is not to say some immigrants did not have good intentions or that everything about the country is bad – – but it is a country basically put in place via corruption and a long tradition of imported power-grabbing.

The US is hardly unique. Australia and New Zealand are also countries originally inhabited by peoples who were also relegated and are treated with actual scorn by settling foreigners (many originally sent there as punishment).

I guess what I sm saying is we can overcome our roots but first we need to acknowledge them, figure out the harm we are responsible for, and make amends for it – but those who truly need to do the most of this are generally the ones least willing to do so.

What I am curious about is you say you chose to live there… While I admit it is quite difficult to get actual facts about history, especially American history, I am wondering where you came from and how difficult it might have been to learn? Hopefully that question did not come off as brusque. I am genuinely interested in how you got from a to b to c to now. :)

“They are doing special things to special people in special places, and generally are not available … I don’t see anything inappropriate, I’m a psychologist, was a member of APA at the time, and a member of the intelligence community. Why not provide input?”

You just confessed to complicity in a war crime. Got any more quackish things to say before the court passes sentence?

… 2. For the purpose of this Statute, “war crimes” means:
(a) Grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, namely, any of the following acts against persons or property protected under the provisions of the relevant Geneva Convention:
(i) Wilful killing;
(ii) Torture or inhuman treatment, including biological experiments;
(iii) Wilfully causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or health …
— Art. 8, Statute of Rome

… 3. In accordance with this Statute, a person shall be criminally responsible and liable for punishment for a crime within the jurisdiction of the Court if that person:
(a) Commits such a crime, whether as an individual, jointly with another or through another person, regardless of whether that other person is criminally responsible;

(b) Orders, solicits or induces the commission of such a crime which in fact occurs or is attempted;

(c) For the purpose of facilitating the commission of such a crime, aids, abets or otherwise assists in its commission or its attempted commission, including providing the means for its commission;

(d) In any other way contributes to the commission or attempted commission of such a crime by a group of persons acting with a common purpose …
— Art. 25, Statute of Rome

Hubbard refers to himself as a member of the community. “I’m a made guy”. He knows he’s untouchable.

The soft inviting glow of using “community” to refer to spy agencies devoted to anti-democratic means, imperialism, torture, and any-means-necessary is but one small example of how we are all being socialized to accept intelligence agencies intrusions as part of the normal fabric of American life. In the movie, Three Days of the Condor, Mr. Higgins (Cliff Robertson), tells Joe Turner (Robert Redford) that someone within “the community” must be behind the killings that have Turner on the run. Turner repeats Higgins’ phrase back to him, saying “community” with disdain. Higgins clarifies, saying “intelligence field,” and Turner says “Community! Jesus, you guys are kind to yourselves. Community!” The CIA’s colonization of America’s consciousness has progressed so well that the words “intelligence community” ha[ve] taken on a normal soft and natural feel.

You indirectly helped me by reminding the harassment squad at my worksite on Central Expressway in San Jose, CA that they are directly complicit in serious, violent crimes which would put them away for a very long time if the U.S. was a nation of laws.

Well that is part of the problem right there. You are living in Brazil but commuting to San Jose, home of the largest concentration of sociopaths preying on the largest concentration of people on the autistic scale… and certainly some of the worst traffic in America. I don’t know of any commuter in Silicon Valley who does not feel like traffic there (not to make light, I am not) is torture. That stretch of road could induce road rage and feelings of being provoked in anyone.

He who cannot laugh at his own misfortune creates the very psychological environment that provides for his downfall. Believe me when I say this, because I do know, the less you let things destroy you and the more you find ways to laugh at the fates, the more control you have over your self, your future, and your enemies (whoever they may be).

As to “American Vermin” … probably is neither an accurate depiction nor something you want to go bandying about calling people, on principle. For one thing it probably wreaks havoc on your own credibility at the same time you are going around lamenting your own situation, or your interpretation thereof.

I am not at all concerned with what people like you think. I also do not care if you are offended by the term vermin. Americans taught me the language of de-humanization. And people who make fun of torture subjects deserve much, much worse than to be de-humanized in their own vernacular.

He who cannot laugh at his own misfortune creates the very psychological environment that provides for his downfall.

P&C, you are showing an amazing lack of insight and empathy here. You obviously have not thought deeply about what it’s like to be shocked, burned and yes — poisoned — all while being surveilled 24/7 and DOUBTED by almost every person you know. (Thankfully, there are some people who are less judgmental and more insightful into what is ‘crazy’ than most.) I would ask that you give Stan a break.

As I’ve emailed dozens of reporters and civil libertarians, I have realized that desperation is not a trait that attracts. Yet it is hard to be laidback and crack jokes while you’re being zapped among other things.

Let me ask you this… if one were to put themselves in the mindset of “the enemy” and you saw people go on about this stuff everywhere (which reads as anger, panic, desperation, and many other things), would you not see it as victory?

Perhaps initially. But they say that the more you say something, the more it becomes the truth. I intend to keep on saying it, and eventually the tables will turn. I dare say they already have here today.

It sort of freaks me out someone with that much power misspelled (and knowingly, at that) paltry, didn’t bother even finding out the correct spelling KNOWING he didn’t knkw it while obviously online… but has the power to pass judgment on other peoples’ sanity, diagnoses, and oh yeah… suitability for and methodologies of conducting psychological torture.

Another point: no one knows more about US foreign and domestic torture programs than the perps their subjects. The perps are not talking, and journalists refuse to listen to subjects. But thank you again, Cora, for getting a little warmer.

You might look up the Nuremberg Doctors’ trial. We did precisely that, to certain medical practitioners that also “did special things to special people in special places.” This isn’t a Godwin metaphor, it’s a matter of legal precedent.

Ehh, coram, but then the US poached as many scientists as they could get their hands on (and giving them somewhat free rein, immunity, clean slates and new identities), and all the research, from both Japan and Nazi “efforts” thus springboarding their own efforts, creating some of the most deplorable non-wartime experiments and programs ever conceived. This stuff just grew from that (though it certainly didn’t originate from it). So that’s a bit of a problem.

I haven’t forgotten that. The German rocket scientists made at least some use of slave labor, the Japanese had that biological-warfare unit, and the Japanese royal family had a role in the war, starting in Nanking, and we did overlook them. We did punish the slave managers, and I brought up the doctors’ trial because their experiments were vicious quackery — but even there, they went to the gallows complaining that they weren’t doing much the US didn’t do in the areas of eugenics and human experimentation. Which brings us around to Glenn’s point: the worst form of national mythology is how we commemorate and remember — selectively — our past wars.

…and all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death …
— Macbeth

He who makes the best rationalisations gets the best weapons and the most power? I am so tired of the hypocrisy, more than anything else, only it often is more like “oh, a Molotov cocktail! shit, shit, what do we do? we need to be the Good Guys here and make a point but hooowww? oh yeah, that’s right, we have Superiour Firepower, let’s show them how the good guys do things… (insert disproportionate and generally terrifying atrocity here). whew, that was a close one. those civilians sure know we are serious now. i felt so threatened. (yeah me too, high five, high five, high fives all around, let’s go get drunk)”.

There is an ebb and flow, but I suggest it has been this way for quite some time with the difference being, more sunlight is shining on the ugliness, because of truthtellers such as the people at TI, Ed Snowden, Thomas Drake, Daniel Ellsberg, and many more. Apologies to those whose names weren’t included.

Well, I see that my other comment didn’t post. In it, I mentioned that Joe Trento — an investigative journalist who used to work for CNN — understands some of the issues/problems, as well as anyone. http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKtrento.htm (Also mentioned that the ACLU has turned a blind eye, as well as many others. It’s truly shameful.)