I would have agree with what Fullmetal89 said in regrds to the over all look of the Pandaren and in terms of the female worgen to an extent. They tried to make them look cute or appealing and facial structure wise, the female Pandaren look more feline than ursine in my opinion. The men atleast have a face the looks like their insparation base but over all fall short in haveing that animalistic savagery you see in Male worgen, Furbolgs, Taruen, Yangol and the other anthromorphic races of the game.

Please define what is childish then and give an example. To me it was the very definition of childishness because come on.. kung fu pandas?

I didn't find it childish because I saw it as an Asian-themed expansion, which I enjoyed. Martial arts are, usually, Asian in nature. Pandas are, in fact, from China. I don't deny the fact that the Pandaren are more cartoon-looking than the older races, but I felt it was just the art style they were heading toward with improved graphics. Considering how the updated races look, I guess I was right. The new-old races match the Pandaren in terms of art style.

Otherwise, I found races like the Mogu, Mantid, and Saurok very badass and aggressive. I found the essence of the story about the Sha much more adult - learning to control your emotions, even when you are undeniably angry or sad about things. I found Lei Shen to be the most badass person in all of WoW's lore. I mean, he seemed to have ripped the heart out of Ra-Den (considering the wound Ra-Den had) and, most likely ate it. Wrathion emulated this later on to get whatever power from Lei Shen's heart that he could. I found those to be a little more "teen-rated", at least.

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To be fair, the first thing I did when the expansion hit was to fly around the old world ganking Pandaren players. It was delightful in so many inexcusably evil ways.

I don't care about the players. Their pandaren are probably going to get a heart attack due to high cholesterol. I just want taran Zhu.
Please give me taran zhu.
I actually, physically cheered when he got axed in that cinematic. To the surprise of my wife that was sleeping on the sofa.
I actually cheered. I went "YESSSSS", I swear.
But of course, I'm racist so what do you expect?

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If you didn't want people flaming, a title that didn't assume everyone thought Pandaria was childish woulda been better Dropping the "Why" woulda made a difference.

Considering how some people have been acting in this thread anyway, the title is fitting.

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Likely because of Pandas. I wasn't too interested in it, because I really didn't care too much about the panda experience, or really the China experience either. But the more you play it, the more you realize its not kung-fu-panda or china experience. Plus scaring rabbits with turnips and punting marmots is awesome.

PS Japan is not the same as China. People give reasons why they wouldn't like the asia themed expansion because of Japanese influences, NOT Chinese influences. Unless you count the Kung-Fu-Panda insult.

I should note I'm not asking this so people can flame each other, start arguments, or be downright rude. Friendly debates are welcome, but I encourage people to be civil to one another, because this is just a game we're talking about. This is a genuine question.

What about Mists of Pandaria was childish, in your opinion? I simply don't see it, to be honest. Was it how the Pandaren looked? Was it the messages of balance and harmony? Was it the way Pandaria looked/the Asian theme? Overall, what didn't you like about it?

If you felt the opposite, why did you feel that way, then? What about it was equally or more hardcore than other expansions? What did you like about it overall?

Nobody thinks that it was. These were postulations before the expansion.

Alright let's put this in perspective. Pandas are childish because they are silly looking and cute, right? Wrong. Dead wrong. Why because pandas aren't some cutesy animal, it's a freaking bear. Bears overall can look cute and huggable with their thick coats, round little ears, and silly antics. Makes it easy to underestimate the fact it is a freaking bear! What's a bear? A bear is an animal with enough strength to rip a full-grown man's arms from their sockets with contemptable ease. A bear is among the most powerful predators to walk on land in the modern era.

So maybe it's the fact they know martial arts that makes them childish...Yeah, can't see that working either. As it is, MoP gave me a bit of fridge horror when I realize that Blizzard basically gave us a race of freaking bear-people that know martial arts. Making jokes about fat pandas only works so long as they don't decide to throw their weight around a bit.

Alright let's put this in perspective. Pandas are childish because they are silly looking and cute, right? Wrong. Dead wrong. Why because pandas aren't some cutesy animal, it's a freaking bear. Bears overall can look cute and huggable with their thick coats, round little ears, and silly antics. Makes it easy to underestimate the fact it is a freaking bear! What's a bear? A bear is an animal with enough strength to rip a full-grown man's arms from their sockets with contemptable ease. A bear is among the most powerful predators to walk on land in the modern era.

So maybe it's the fact they know martial arts that makes them childish...Yeah, can't see that working either. As it is, MoP gave me a bit of fridge horror when I realize that Blizzard basically gave us a race of freaking bear-people that know martial arts. Making jokes about fat pandas only works so long as they don't decide to throw their weight around a bit.

This would be true, if you only apply real life facts. Unfortunately you have to take into account that in most media, the panda is depicted as serene and docile. This not helped by Kung Fung Panda and other such shows that put forth the 'comedy' panda

Alright let's put this in perspective. Pandas are childish because they are silly looking and cute, right? Wrong. Dead wrong. Why because pandas aren't some cutesy animal, it's a freaking bear. Bears overall can look cute and huggable with their thick coats, round little ears, and silly antics. Makes it easy to underestimate the fact it is a freaking bear! What's a bear? A bear is an animal with enough strength to rip a full-grown man's arms from their sockets with contemptable ease. A bear is among the most powerful predators to walk on land in the modern era.

So maybe it's the fact they know martial arts that makes them childish...Yeah, can't see that working either. As it is, MoP gave me a bit of fridge horror when I realize that Blizzard basically gave us a race of freaking bear-people that know martial arts. Making jokes about fat pandas only works so long as they don't decide to throw their weight around a bit.

And that would be great if they put a tiny bit of effort to show them more like bear and less like dreamworks pandas.

Last edited by Djalil; 2013-11-12 at 06:46 PM.

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To me it was the very definition of childishness because come on.. kung fu pandas?

I'm not disagreeing with you - sure there were Pandas, and I guess Windwalker is kung-fu kinda sorta, and yes there were a bunch of relatively lighthearted quests with killing rabid bunnies in Valley of the Four Winds. There was also other stuff and I think the point is the people who like MoP were either liked or were apathetic about the Pandaren, or at very least got past it.

Personally, I thought the Suna Silenstrike and Klaxxi quest chains were awesome, as was the end quests in Valley after the Hidden Master chain were pretty good. All the end game content was fine, and I loved the continent design and the music in particular. Some people play Pandaren, but whatever floats their boat. Outside of leveling, there really isn't that much interaction with the Pandaren - that'd be one of my complaints actually - same goes for the lack of development of the Hozen, Jinyu and Yaungol.

On the other hand, everything you interpret in your mind, is as childish or serious and mature as you make it.

Undead chewing on people corpses might be childish, or it might be serious. Pandas may be serious and "gritty" or goofy and disney-like.

This game is an art... art is what you make it. Adults play with toys... and children are beaten every day. What the heck does childish or mature even mean? ... they mean exactly what you want them to mean.

Hense, ill choose that this conversation is childish and ridiculous. See how that works

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