While I do see that the Zune HD isn't on the Zune.net front page, it's still listed in the products page, as well as further into the site
(Zune HD). And, as Mac has kindly mentioned, the older devices also have their prospective pages (Zune digital media players)

They (MS) hasn't put the final nail in the coffin, but they're still digging too many graves. Just tell us the truth, with no BULLSHITT, and then I'd give 'em some respect!!!

Just tell us the truth, with no BULLSHITT, and then I'd give 'em some respect!!!

It continually pissed me off till I left this site for awhile whenever Dave would mention something, but not actually say anything. "We have some really cool stuff coming out", "The best stuff is yet to come", etc. Why can't you tell us what your working on? Is some kind of competitor going to steal it? Who wants to steal from the Zune HD? Whose your competition that is trying to sabotage you? Apple? I think the only time Apple acknowledges Zune is when they're looking for a laugh.

Microsoft has continued to be very vague regarding anything. The WP7 update even faced many issues (January, late February, early March, then late March). If Microsoft continues this downward streak I have a feeling they're going to lose a lot of momentum. Apple seems to be growing pretty rapidly whether you like it or not. The only reason Microsoft got the stronghold in the PC department was because they threw Windows on anything that had a screen. Apple created the first GUI for computers and keeps good on their promises. Last thing I have to say: Look at Apple's stocks and look at Microsoft's.

It doesnt matter, you are right. Its just that a lot of folks still think more juicy Zune PMPs will be on the way and suddenly all Zune HD owners will be wrapped in a snuggly love blanket by MS with loads of updates and 100's of new apps.

They wont.

The HD is dead too as far as MS is concerned. If it wasnt it would be on the Zune site.

Folks need to stop wishing for stuff that will never come. Most folks have realised this. The Zune part of this forum is a good indicator, 18 months ago these threads would be 10+ pages long after just a couple of days. But not anymore.

Just play your music and have fun.

Yeah now back it up and prove to me that they won't do all those things. I didn't say there won't or will be one. Also the zune hd is actually on the front of the product page. I don't wan't to make assumptions, but why are you acting like you know what is going to happen.

If Microsoft continues this downward streak I have a feeling they're going to lose a lot of momentum. Apple seems to be growing pretty rapidly whether you like it or not.

iPhone still only has about 17% marketshare worldwide. And that's only among smartphones, not among all cell phones in general.

And don't get me started on their Desktop OS's marketshare. Yeah, the one with the marketshare it took them 10 years to increase by 3% only to have Win7 bring it back down in less than 6 months? Yeah, THAT OS.

mindshare != Marketshare.

Just because the media seems to be on Apple's Viral Marketing payroll as of late doesn't neccessarily mean anything.

iPhone still only has about 17% marketshare worldwide. And that's only among smartphones, not among all cell phones in general.

And don't get me started on their Desktop OS's marketshare. Yeah, the one with the marketshare it took them 10 years to increase by 3% only to have Win7 bring it back down in less than 6 months? Yeah, THAT OS.

mindshare != Marketshare.

Just because all the gadget blogs seem to be on Apple's Viral Marketing payroll as of late doesn't neccessarily mean anything.

good point. I heard that recently there has been more Androids sold than iphones. If i'm wrong then please correct me(since it was on the news and I don't really trust anything when it comes to mainstream media)

good point. I heard that recently there has been more Androids sold than iphones. If i'm wrong then please correct me(since it was on the news and I don't really trust anything when it comes to mainstream media)

Yeah now back it up and prove to me that they won't do all those things. I didn't say there won't or will be one. Also the zune hd is actually on the front of the product page. I don't wan't to make assumptions, but why are you acting like you know what is going to happen.

I dont have to prove anything. Time will prove one way or another. But by say the end of May 2011 I'd say I was on the ball. I dont work for MS or the Zune team but I've been as accurate as Dave has to be honest. I say something months ahead that turns out to be true (the ZuneHD being a prototype for the Zune Phone/WM7 though Dave denies that bizzarely).

At least I'm not swinging any BS at you. I dont want you to buy anything.

Well...not that the Zune team has anything to sell you either......

At the end of the day all we want is a clear unambiguous message from MS of what the full future of the Zune ecosystem is.

What it involves, whats to come, will it survive? Should we continue to invest or walk away?

No more BS, no more non messages, just clear straight answers.

Until then some of us will just sit and take pot shots at it.

After all its just a bloody media system, not advanced fighter jet tech we are discussing here. Especially as MS are so far behind the curve now its not really that ultra secret. It's quite hilarious really.

Could you also point out to me where the image or direct mention of a ZuneHD lurks on the initial page of -

It continually pissed me off till I left this site for awhile whenever Dave would mention something, but not actually say anything. "We have some really cool stuff coming out", "The best stuff is yet to come", etc. Why can't you tell us what your working on? Is some kind of competitor going to steal it? Who wants to steal from the Zune HD? Whose your competition that is trying to sabotage you? Apple? I think the only time Apple acknowledges Zune is when they're looking for a laugh.

Microsoft has continued to be very vague regarding anything. The WP7 update even faced many issues (January, late February, early March, then late March). If Microsoft continues this downward streak I have a feeling they're going to lose a lot of momentum. Apple seems to be growing pretty rapidly whether you like it or not. The only reason Microsoft got the stronghold in the PC department was because they threw Windows on anything that had a screen. Apple created the first GUI for computers and keeps good on their promises. Last thing I have to say: Look at Apple's stocks and look at Microsoft's.

Granted, Zune could use a lot of things that the competitors either have or don't really care about, but Apple did copy the whole Social thing with Ping in iTunes, and Wireless Sync with Home sharing in iOS 4.3.
I do see how third party apps might want to be kept quiet, but honestly, I would want a Zune more if it had, or would-in-the-near-future have an email client.

Granted, Zune could use a lot of things that the competitors either have or don't really care about, but Apple did copy the whole Social thing with Ping in iTunes, and Wireless Sync with Home sharing in iOS 4.3.
I do see how third party apps might want to be kept quiet, but honestly, I would want a Zune more if it had, or would-in-the-near-future have an email client.

Granted, Zune could use a lot of things that the competitors either have or don't really care about, but Apple did copy the whole Social thing with Ping in iTunes, and Wireless Sync with Home sharing in iOS 4.3.

As far as iOS devices are concerned Home Sharing only allows you to stream your content to your device, there's no wireless syncing. But you're totally right about Ping, it's a direct rip off of Zune Social. I see musicians pushing their ping on twitter and whatnot.