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Re: Yahoo: Fox Sports prepares channel to take on ESPN

I'm an independent moderate. I can't stand FOX New's BS. Or MSNBC's BS. And most of the media is left-leaning, which IMO is not a great thing at all, either. I'm sure a lot of liberals do hate FOX News because it promotes the Republican platform, but it's also because of a lot of crap they shovel, too. This isn't the thread or the board to dive deep into this, but I felt compelled to speak up at least once because of the absolutist/black-white/us-vs-them attitude of this post.

That having been said, to be on topic I don't feel like the local FOX Sports network seems to be bad at all, so if the national version keeps up the solid work, I think they will be a good addition to cable packages and hopefully force ESPN to try harder.

Agreed for the most part

ironically i find myself getting more news from a bit of print media ( or the WAPO online) and a lot from electronic means like twitter.

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I could hardly care less about any sports network that starts up unless they are actually good at BROADCASTING THE GAMES. I don't usually bother to tune in and listen to what angle ESPN is shoving down everyone's throat for the day. I only watch when the games are on. And if Sunday's broadcast of the Pacers/Bulls is what is to be expected in the future by any sports network, then I will have to mute my TV. I mean is it common for the freaking color guy (girl in this case) to leave the table and go interview the coaches between quarters? It was like ESPN just didn't even give a ***** about this game.

What happened to the good ol' days with Bob Ley? Ironically, that was before my time.

I am honestly all for this Fox sports network. Anything to provide competition to ESPN should be a win for the fans. When the mainstream network is Kobe this, LeBron James that, Tim Tebow still did nothing today, Skip Bayless' mindless rants, among other things, it just gets annoying and unwatchable. In many ways, ESPN's coverage is like the NBA: if you have no superstar, you don't get airtime, or in the NBA's case, calls in games. It is all about the big name players, and since the Pacers don't have a top 10 player in the league, we don't get much national recognition (although that is changing quickly, and I am really starting to like that we get a little bit of attention) and frankly it's frustrating as a fan to never see your team on a national network. Or, whenever they are on a national network, the coverage of your team is what the other team did wrong.

Then, you have the completely biased announcers. I know our guy is Chris, Quinn and Austin are all biased for the Pacers, but at least they admit when the call is wrong but it went in the favor of the Pacers. They are not quite homers, but at least they provide a little bit of analysis for both teams. This is something ESPN has failed to do in this new set of announcers, specifically when we are playing against a team with a big-name player. Although, that big-name player did not always get the recognition, case in point, Sunday nights Joakim Noah lovefest by Doris Burke.

I am not counting on the Pacers getting ESPN recognition in the near future, at least to the extent of any team with a star. I mean, look at what the Spurs have done. They are not in a big name city, and they have two stars with one future Hall of Famer at the very least. They've had one of the most successful runs ever over the last decade, and yet, they still don't hardly ever get any recognition on ESPN.

I guess that is the end of my rant. I hope ESPN becomes more centralized for every team, but I'm not counting on it. For now, I will stick with NBA TV for my NBA coverage.

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Re: Yahoo: Fox Sports prepares channel to take on ESPN

Hey, it's another sports station, and it's not owned by ESPN! I hate ESPN, so this must be better!

Remember their answer to Sportscenter on Fox Sports? It was called Best Damn Sports Show Period, and it was basically Sportscenter mixed with The Man Show.

Anyone that thinks ESPN sensationalizes everything has apparently never seen Fox Sports outside of basic NBA broadcasts. Have none of you ever seen Fox's NFL Sunday morning show? Seriously?

I'm all for competition; just don't expect FOX to go the other way. If anything, they will try to out-ESPN ESPN. That's what FOX does. Sports with comedians, strippers and rednecks. Occasionally, they will bring in Tonya Harding and try to combine everything at once.

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It should be a rousing success if they stick to televising sports...

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
"But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetime’s worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

Re: Yahoo: Fox Sports prepares channel to take on ESPN

I'm an independent moderate. I can't stand FOX New's BS. Or MSNBC's BS. And most of the media is left-leaning, which IMO is not a great thing at all, either. I'm sure a lot of liberals do hate FOX News because it promotes the Republican platform, but it's also because of a lot of crap they shovel, too. This isn't the thread or the board to dive deep into this, but I felt compelled to speak up at least once because of the absolutist/black-white/us-vs-them attitude of this post.

That having been said, to be on topic I don't feel like the local FOX Sports network seems to be bad at all, so if the national version keeps up the solid work, I think they will be a good addition to cable packages and hopefully force ESPN to try harder.

Im glad that someone found a nice, respectful way to say this because I never could have. Fox News may be bias towards the right, but every other network out there is bias to the left. Pretty much all of us are being spoonfed what we want to hear, people just hate Fox because they do it better.

Re: Yahoo: Fox Sports prepares channel to take on ESPN

Have to disagree a bit here. I don't doubt Fox will be super popular, especially if they can localize their programming with local games. But you're also predicting they'll have better programming, which I'm not so sure about. In my opinion, Fox has the worst NFL coverage of all the networks with football (see: stupid dancing robot). NBC Sunday Night is by far the best, and probably the best produced sports program on TV right now.

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NBC is generally the best at sports, which is ironic because they suck horribly at everything else.

If they treated their prime time programming with half the dignity they treated the NBA and the NFL, they wouldn't be a total disaster right now.

It's hard to believe that this is the same network that gave us "The Cosby Show", "Cheers", "Seinfeld", "Frasier", "ER", "Law and Order" (originals), etc. NBC's prime time used to be head and shoulders above everyone else, but its been horrible lately. Everything about Sunday Night Football is fantastic aside from the promos for crappy NBC shows.

Re: Yahoo: Fox Sports prepares channel to take on ESPN

Anyone that thinks ESPN sensationalizes everything has apparently never seen Fox Sports outside of basic NBA broadcasts. Have none of you ever seen Fox's NFL Sunday morning show? Seriously?

I read a quote from someone with FOX in one of the online articles this morning that indicates Fox NFL Sunday is their model for what they will do. I haven't watched it in years but when I did it always seemed more entertainment than what ESPN, CBS or NBC did on Sundays. So I agree with you, chances are FOX will try to go in that direction

Re: Yahoo: Fox Sports prepares channel to take on ESPN

Re: Yahoo: Fox Sports prepares channel to take on ESPN

More competition the better I think, market will decide. Ya, I think Foxnews is funny, I'd never go there if there was a serious thing going on, thats just me. Everyone else has the right to watch it and I also have the right to fun of you for doing so. Not sure why there's any argument, otherwise, isn't it better to always have more on the menu to choose from?

Re: Yahoo: Fox Sports prepares channel to take on ESPN

Who seems more similar to Bill O'Reilly/Glen Beck: Bill Simmons/Bob Costas, or Skip Bayless/Stephen A. Smith? Take a wild guess which direction Fox will take their sports news channel.

There is one glimmer of hope here: Fox gives huge contracts to Bayless and Smith to steal them from ESPN. Fox Sports turns into Mega-ESPN. ESPN dumps Chris Berman, Woody Paige and the like, hands the network over to David Jacoby and Bill Simmons, and ESPN essentially turns into the Grantland Network.

Yeah, I'm probably dreaming. But with the 30 for 30 series and the highly active Grantland YouTube channel, I've suspected that they have been ramping up for an actually cable TV Grantland Channel separate from ESPN for awhile now.

Re: Yahoo: Fox Sports prepares channel to take on ESPN

Yeah, I'm probably dreaming. But with the 30 for 30 series and the highly active Grantland YouTube channel, I've suspected that they have been ramping up for an actually cable TV Grantland Channel separate from ESPN for awhile now.

I was kinda critical of Grantland when it debuted but they've really won me over. I listen to a lot of their podcasts and read every word Zach Lowe writes. While I doubt they get their own channel, I'd love to see them play a bigger part in what goes on ESPN.

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Re: Yahoo: Fox Sports prepares channel to take on ESPN

I'm just glad that our most treasured sporting event, the Super Bowl, hasn't been ESPN-ized yet. It will be a sad day when they get their hands on it.

I'd rather watch an event covered by Fox Sports than ESPN. The BCS Bowl games on ESPN are a perfect example. As soon as the games were over, ESPN would IMMEDIATELY stick a microphone in the winning coach's face and not give them two seconds to celebrate with their team. IIRC, Fox at least gave them a bit of time to celebrate with their team. Little things like that are what makes ESPN annoying.

Re: Yahoo: Fox Sports prepares channel to take on ESPN

I was kinda critical of Grantland when it debuted but they've really won me over. I listen to a lot of their podcasts and read every word Zach Lowe writes. While I doubt they get their own channel, I'd love to see them play a bigger part in what goes on ESPN.

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I was kinda critical of Grantland when it debuted but they've really won me over. I listen to a lot of their podcasts and read every word Zach Lowe writes. While I doubt they get their own channel, I'd love to see them play a bigger part in what goes on ESPN.

I just appreciate that I can get that kind of content and thus don't NEED to watch ESPN or Fox Sports 1 or whatever else is/will be out there. With the Internet/podcasts/youtube, I honestly don't even feel the need to watch NBATV for this stuff. I get breaking news, rumors, reports, and instant reactions on Twitter, I can pick and choose which articles I want to read from there, including stuff on Grantland, or videos on YouTube, and then between listening to the Grady and Big Joe Podcast (selectively listening to Pacer talk once the podcast is up in the afternoon), BS Report, and now I'm staring to ease into Grantland podcasts, the Miller Time Podcast and the SVP/Russillo podcast, and when you add all that up, to say nothing of coming here daily, I'm more than satisfied with my NBA content and it has nothing to do with any of these network shows anymore.

I just need TV to watch the games; otherwise the Internet is all I want or need. It's awesome.

Re: Yahoo: Fox Sports prepares channel to take on ESPN

I only go to ESPN if there is a Pacers or IU game on. Also, I only go to their site for the NBA gamecast...when it's working properly.

Just haven't liked ESPN now for a few years. It's only about big market teams.

Ratings are all that matter anymore, and people love dumbed down stuff. Just think about the news networks run now, and all the reality tv that's out there. How the hell does Honey Boo-boo get a tv deal, and people watch. It's infuriating.

Re: Yahoo: Fox Sports prepares channel to take on ESPN

It's hard to believe that this is the same network that gave us "The Cosby Show", "Cheers", "Seinfeld", "Frasier", "ER", "Law and Order" (originals), etc. NBC's prime time used to be head and shoulders above everyone else, but its been horrible lately. Everything about Sunday Night Football is fantastic aside from the promos for crappy NBC shows.

Parks and Rec, 30 Rock, and Community are all pretty good shows, but NBC rarely supports them. Either way, I don't care who gets the games, if more networks get games that means more nationalized tv games, which hopefully means more national Pacers Games.