The Short Man Shit Test

The Private Man has a post about a short male friend who received a particularly crass OkCupid message from a girl:

A friend and colleague is doing the online dating thing with OKCupid. He’s 26, intelligent, and with a diverse range of interests and enthusiasms. All in all, he’s a good guy and certainly boyfriend material. He’s also relatively short at 5’6″ and he accepts his height realistically.

A girl recently sent him this OKCupid message:

“You are perfect except for your height wahhh. We should be friends, I think we would get along really well and have similar tastes/interests.”

What. A. Bitch.

She is the one who sent the message to him and then she rejects him romantically in the first sentence because of a physical characteristic completely beyond his control. Worse, she still wants “friendship” as an option. Here’s the most clueless girl on the planet. It’s clueless (and classless) girls like this who turn men into cold-hearted pickup artists. If she’s pulling a shit test to see if my friend would rise to the occasion, she’s taking bitchery to stratospheric levels. Likely, she’s not even aware of how awful she came across in her message.

As TPM noted, there are not very many men who would send the unsolicited equivalent to a woman on an online dating site.

Most men have enough awareness to not send the following online dating message to a perfect stranger:

“You are perfect except for your weight. We should be friends, I think we would get along really well and have similar tastes/interests.”

Maybe men should start doing this. It would go a ways to correcting women’s poor behavior and aligning their expectations with reality. And that SMV reality has never looked worse for women: chubsters and battle-axes and man impersonators as far as the eye can see.

I suspect the increase in women’s rudeness, (and I don’t doubt it is increasing among American women), is part ego stroking, part masculinization caused by elevated T levels (which itself is caused by careerism, fat-assery and leftoidism (the latter has the opposite effect on men)), and part manifestation of deep-seated insecurity about their mate worth and ability to land a quality man.

Think about it. If you are a marginal woman who has been burned one too many times by a sexy jerk, you will start to construct a hard shell to protect against future relationship disappointments. This shell often appears in the form of aggressive, preemptive posturing; a kind of “I’ll “””reject””” him before he rejects me” mentality. This is how substandard girls rationalize their solitude and give themselves a temporary ego thrill.

The irony of this cunttastic tactic is that it’s most frequently targeted against beta males — just the sorts of niceguys who would least give these beta women any reason to hate men. But women are human, and humans, despite our protestations to the contrary, can’t help but despise the weak and respect the strong. If you give a cunt half an inch, she’ll take a country mile.

It may also simply be the case that the woman in TPM’s story is a spergqueen, and didn’t know any better. But that’s not the way to bet.

Anyhow, I’d like to turn our attention away from calculating to the tenth decimal place the exact degree of this girl’s bitchiness, and toward the idea that there is an opportunity presented here to handle a blatant shit test and flip an attraction switch in the girl. The fact is, no matter how bitchy a girl, there is no deserved comeuppance as delicious as seducing her, fucking her, and then leaving her before the jizz has dried, never to contact her again. Unless you don’t have the stomach for that kind of stone cold vengeance. Not that I would know anything about that.

So you can chew her out and chasten her — and there would be nothing wrong with that, for you would be making the world a better place for future men who might have the misfortune of crossing paths with her — or you can attempt to make vaginade out of caustic cuntery.

As shit tests go, this one provides us with an excellent opportunity to demonstrate alpha male composure after a truly obnoxious taunt is hurled our way. This taunt is especially irritating because the girl has couched her attack in soft, passive-aggressive, condescending language; just the sort of vile subterfuge with which women are very skilled. Below, I offer some replies that would effectively neutralize this short man shit test, and gain you hand over the girl should you decide pursuing a fuck close is worth it.

Whatever way you answer this shit test, remember that the most important factor is that you NOT sound bitter. Her bitch antennae will be sensitive to any hint of bitterness or anger or defensiveness, so you have to be careful to avoid leaving any impression like those.

“You are perfect except for your height wahhh. We should be friends, I think we would get along really well and have similar tastes/interests.”

Possible effective replies

“Wow – you’ve got big hair – I might need a ladder to check out all your split ends. What are the odds of my grabbing a handful later tonight?” — This one courtesy of commenter “tj” to the original post. I would categorize this reply as “Ignore, and redirect”. Probably would work better in person with a playful attitude, than in words where it can be misinterpreted as bitter.

“Short height, big dick. Works for me. I’ll bet you’re a crazy cat lady in training.” — Also from tj. I’d drop the “crazy cat lady” line. The first two sentences are enough.

“Hey – thanks for your interest. I can see you haven’t been trained by a man yet. Your message is going to cost you two points. Now – write me a polite letter of introduction and tell me why your hair is worth pulling.” — Again from tj. This would not work face to face. Too many words. Works better in email or chat.

“Sure, we can be friends. But you’ll have to meet my girlfriends first. If they don’t like you, I’ll have to pass.”

“Have you ever fucked in front of your cat?” — You can go all sorts of ways with this reply. For instance, if she objects, say “But I thought we were friends? This is what friends talk about!”

“I get this all the time… too tall for the ladies.”

“Is this how you pick up guys? I’m not smitten yet. Try harder.”

“Perfect height for cunnilingus.”

“Who is this?”

“Whoa, dial back the charm. My knees are knocking.”

“Slow down, party girl. What makes you think we would get along? I hardly know you.”

“You like it in the pooper. I can tell.”

“You’ll have to wine and dine me first.”

“Get away from me you crazy-eyed psycho.”

“Another charm school grad, I see.”

“It’s cute the way you flirt so badly. Nerves?”

“Ahh, child-like naivete. You have much to learn.”

“Who wants to be perfect? Perfect is boring. I like to give women a challenge.”

“You like rape, too? Awesome!” — Use with caution. An emotionally stunted feminist might not catch the sarcasm.

“I would tie you down like a Lilliputian.”

“Great! Let’s start our wonderful friendship watching the sun set. You might have to put me on your shoulders.” — Self-deprecating humor is risky, but works on some girls, especially if you’re careful not to milk it, and you segue quickly into sexual escalation.

“Lovely.” — Chicks dig ambiguity. What’s she going to make of this one word reply?

“I’ve heard better come-ons from insurance salesmen.”

“I’m glad you’re the kind of girl who doesn’t just love me for my bod.”

“You’re like that little girl who tries to give the boy she really likes cooties.”

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You’ll notice in most of the replies above, I rarely mention shortness or height. A successful reframe means just that: reframing away from a conversational topic which works against your advantage. Many of the replies contain implicit challenges — or qualifying tests — that are designed to put the girl on the defensive, provoking her to explain her actions, motivations, or worth as a human being. Girls like men who challenge them, because in their twisted minds they think this means such men really like them for more than their looks.

None of the replies are set up to make excuses for the man’s height, or to cajole a girl of the short man’s positive attributes. Cajoling = qualifying oneself, and that’s anti-game. Some of you may be tempted to say something along the lines of: “You should try a short man for once. You’d be surprised how good we are in bed. Compensation means we have mad skills.” No good. Instead, it’s better to ASSUME THE SALE. The last reply is a classic example of this dictum.

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My experience dating taller women has taught me to never being up the height. Same with dating older women, never bring it up as well.

Last tall gf I had (pre-redpill) would literally wince whenever I self-deprecated and brought up how she was taller than me (I’m 5’8″ and she was 5’9″).

It comes back to highlighting your strong attributes and hiding your flaws. Don’t point out the elephant in the room because odds are that it’s a DHV.

This current tall hb7 I’m gaming mentioned the first night i met her how she doesn’t date guys shorter than her (she’s 5’9 as well). I acted like I never heard the comment and proceeded accordingly. Remember that if they like you/perceive your value as high enough, she will find ways to rationalize her attraction for you. Don’t point out the difference in height because you are giving her ammo to disqualify.

I love seeing shorter dudes with taller girls because it signals that they’ve got something going on. Hard to explain but i embody the same dynamic with this girl I’m pursuing. I now legit believe I’m the coolest motherfucker on her radar and her height is of no consequence to me. And it isn’t. Because she is into me and never brought up the bullshit “height” issue with me after the first night I met her.

I hope this helps and if not then hopefully our esteemed commenters can pitch in.

I hate to start a racial thing, but has anyone noticed that when there is a short guy/tall girl pairing the only people that can’t get over it are black women?

I always dated taller because I was so short in college and black women would not shut up about this, whether they from work or school. White folks did the “act like nothing’s up” deal, even when the woman was in heels and dwarfing me.

Black and Latin folk never worry too much about that. Calling someone short or ugly isn’t really viewed as insults. It’s like, “Hey, fatty, you doin’ anything Saturday?” Sounds like you may have been a bit oversensitive back then.

Despite the hateful comments on this site, most black folks don’t give a damn about being PC. Jesus, they invented the dozens.

1 “Black … folk never worry too much about that. Calling someone short or ugly isn’t really viewed as insults.”
—lol. Yes, they are. Amongst men, a teasing sort of insult shows camaraderie. So men (not just the apes) use terms like “fattie” or ugly or shorty with close friends to show their bonds.

However, it also shows dominance with non-close man. If the local top dawg nigger insults you, what are you going to do if you’re just a weak street hustler? Nothing, that’s what.

If you think calling someone short or ugly isn’t an insult to apes, I suggest you run to Harlem and start calling niggers that post-haste. Please.

2. “Despite the hateful comments on this site, most black folks don’t give a damn about being PC,”
—lol. OH, they don’t care to apply PC to each other, because niggers get a free pass in our society to act very un-pc, whilst whitey is in the straight jacket. Haven’t seen the nigger yet who doesn’t like one-sided power on his side.

But let a whitey call a nigger a nigger, or start some un-pc insults straight up—and watch those little bitches cry. THeir emotional stability is on par with 10 year old children and girls—they can dish it out, they can’t take it.

3. “they invented the dozens”
–_First, niggers didn’t “invent” the dozens. Insult contests are as old as society. However, niggers work on it because a) to a nigger, a “zinger” automatically wins an argument, even if it makes no sense. Like women, they think logic and reality bend to whatever groupthink they can force on people; and b) niggers, being so weak emotionally, crumble when insulted, and take every slight personally (hence the nigger obsession with “disrespect” and “getting respect.” So childish, so weak). So the “dozens” just tries to show who among them can at least try to be emotionally stable whilst insulted.

I think short guys can still be hot and have the illusion of being larger if they embrace the SWOL life. The main guy from The Shield and the cop from Breaking Bad are great examples. They present large and alpha….they’re like hot little bulldogs…..totally sexy.

[Heartiste: True. That DEA agent from BB seems taller than he is.]

Shaved head also work on that type, which is a plus if you’re balding.

I’m a short guy myself and I am currently railing a 5’9 girl who loves to wear heels. She says she attracted to my confidence and how I ‘lead’ her. She says once to me ‘I love how you just walk in front of me and don’t look back.’ I always walk into a room first. Also, I dress to kill wherever I go.

You are joking right? Male or Female there is nothing more irritating than morons who feel the need to offer unsolicited nasty remarks regarding a personal attribute the person has no control over. This idiot, without any prompting, decided to message a random stranger and made them potentially feel bad about an attribute beyond their control. It is beyond lacking self-awareness, it is downright socially inept and stupid. If he had being the one to initiate a conversation then it would still have been mean, but at least it would have been fair game.

If I was the guy I would reply with “Funny you mentioned being friends, because with an eye/nose/head/(or any other thing about her appearance beyond her control) like yours, friendship is the only considerable option”. What a social retard.

The thing with your situation is that you initiated contact. If you were the initiator after she had made her preference for height known then you are just being brave in messaging her…which is good because it signals confidence. However, I don’t think you can classify her in the same boat as the above girl who went out of her way to throw an unsolicited diss at the guy.

Well, damn. My advice is all tailored to the specific culture you live in. And all this time here I’m picturing you as a cast member of Jersey Shore.

Really, you have to provide pictures or I’ll be apt to misrepresent you even worse next time. Or at least celebrity rough equivalents. Until I get confirmation otherwise, I must imagine you as a pint-sized JWOWW.

No man, I’m not. I have lol’ed at those remarks plenty of times. And i know Days of Broken Arrows is a really good commenter that i have appreciated several times.

I don’t know why, but that kind of comments don’t humor me anymore. That could have something to do with the fact that i I’m married and realize that although my wife isn’t always as well informed as me, or can be as logical and emotionally detached as i can, she is still a human.

Hot-cold, being alpha, in charge, being unexpected, they all have a place in a LTR. But just obnoxious talk like

“The only thing with your situation is that you have a vagina and we don’t take women’s advice here so you should shut the fuck up.

If you said the sky was blue, I would know it was green.”

i don’t buy it. It smells butt-hurt. It smells not being in control. It’s not something the master of the universe would say.

I don’t know, maybe it’s a consequence of having seen to many flaky sluts and to few virgin and submissive marriage material girls.

What i DO know is that my wife is actually able to communicate to me information that i can use to make my marriage stronger. Yes, i know all about projecting higher value, comfort != attraction and so on.

But i also see that those times when i go asshole on her and do my own shit, se gets hurt and cold, and the sex is just there because she thinks it’s her religious responsibility to never refuse.

But when i do take my time to listen to her and avoid the worst assholness, the spontaneous kissing starts to come, and the dead fish sex vanishes.

Being bitchy to bitches is probably merited. But take it as your default position, and you have internalized never being able to form a relationship that will enable you to create your own personal empire.

This particular woman I’d ignore bc she’s online and clearly not worthy your time…I imagine she read your profile & you were exactly what she dreamed of in a man so keep that in mind as it clearly suggests you are great catch. Now if she’s in front of you saying “wahhh, you’re too short” …give her a half smug type smile. Then if you have a tall buddy that you think might want to lay waste to her…proceed to mention him and hook them up.

I spent a few years with a very tall, thin blonde party type girl who would always say she wouldn’t date guys shorter than 5’10 …..except for the small fact that she was with me. Just be confident and gracefully shrug off their shit tests and you’ll succeed.

Remember, never listen to what women say they want…observe their behaviors and dominate accordingly.

This reminds me of the episode of Sex And The City where Samantha is put off by a shorter man she encounters. She tries to dash out in the middle of a date with him when she finds out he shops at the Boys department, and he catches her on the way out and he says, “Oh and where do you shop? The big and tall whore store?” He made her laugh so she decided give him a chance. I thought it was funny. And yes, I referenced SATC. :P

Choosing not to date someone because of their height is stupid obviously.

{Hertiste: I wouldn’t say it’s stupid. It’s as reasonable for women to desire taller men as it is reasonable for men to desire thinner women. These are primal forces that defy ethical or moral categorization. But the short man, faced with these realities, does not need to recuse himself from the field. THere are other traits women love in men, and those traits can compensate for shortness.]

China is likely heading towards some sort of collapse. Likely followed by a chaotic warlord and civil war period, much like the pre-Mao period.

It’ll be interesting to see how chinese women in the west behave when that happens. There has been a lot of arrogance among the chinese, with the idea around of China becoming a superpower. If China does collapse into chaos, the socio-sexual status of chinese men will likely fall. Chinese women might turn to non-chinese men as a refuge.

Its not really stupid….its a preference. I am 5’2 and have never dated someone below 6. There are many short guys (5’4-5’9) that I have found attractive by virtue or their confidence l who I would have dated if I was not in an LTR at a given time. There are guys have a strong preference from taller girls too. I know some guys who would not consider me a preferential ltr material because they want taller kids and think their chances are lowered by me birthing their offsprings…lol no lie, I have been told that….so you just gotta roll with the punches, know that you won’t be everyone’s cup of tea and do your best to optimize your chances …be it getting laid or getting commitment

I’m 5’5″ and it was great to read this. I’m (very) slowly getting better at game, and accepting that I’m as tall as I am seems to help with my confidence. Although, every now and then it’ll get to me, and I’ll begin to believe for the next few days it’s why I have limited success…

on the other hand, in person when ever a woman calls me short, I’ve always replied with the big dick line, or, “yeah, women say that in front of their friends, then turn around and sleep with me”. Not sure how alpha-beta that is, but it seems to get across the image that I’m not bitter and still a fun guy.

Heartiste, sometime ago you wrote about a short friend of yours who killed it online, and in person. I’ve been meaning to ask you if you could write more about how he does it and how others like me can find consistant success. I know it’s possible for a short guy to find success, but just not sure how to find it. I’ll find the link to the post and reply.

Others like YaReally and ABDada have had good advice, and I wish I could do a search for all their posts, but I don’t think its possible to search for specific comments… At least not from a phone. But, still, thank you to you guys.

Although this is my first time posting, I’m not new here. I’ve just decided that this is the year I will reform my self. So, hello everyone.

First thing, you are on a dating site where 90% of the women on there are liars, whores, cheats, and in general the scurge of society. Using dating sites to augment game is one thing, but if it is your only source of female interaction then you are just begging for disaster. If you are short and or fat lie about it. Don’t post pics where it looks obvious that you are short or fat. The thing to remember about dating sites is women get tons of messages from guys so they can use that currency to be bitches to other guys, so a realworld 5 or 6 will get about 5x the messages a model type guy will get. What to do about it depends on what you are looking for. If you are outcome independent it makes this stuff a lot easier. If you are just lookin for a lay out of it then being outcome dependent will beat up a guys confidence. If a woman is a bitch to you on a dating site the best thing to do is ignore her, don’t block her or message her back. Have a little bit of solace in that her bitchy behavior will leave her used up and sour for the rest of her life, but if you try to set her straight it might actually work, but she will hate you for it and you wont get her anyways. That is why it is best to leave her be. And besides you don’t want a woman like that.

The reason why women are being more bitchy and claiming high status when they really aren’t is because of the hookup culture. So a woman who is a 4 thinks she’s a 6 because guys will still slum it just to get a piece, or she will offer something a 8 won’t like anal or swallowing even money. I know guys who will use 3 and 4 type chicks for money, place to live, food, while gaming 7, 8 and 9s on the side. What I’m saying is that getting laid gives women a falls boost in status. The other part of it is the tv culture, with real tv women see other women acting like complete bitches and getting away with it and looking good doing it, so they aspire to be like that. Like I said, the best thing to do is leave them be and go on, these bitches are good for nothing, definitely don’t get them pregnant.

First thing, you are on a dating site where 90% of the women on there are liars, whores, cheats, and in general the scurge of society. Using dating sites to augment game is one thing, but if it is your only source of female interaction then you are just begging for disaster.

This.

This This This This THIS THIS!

Turn off the computer, sit up from the desk, walk outside, and go Carpe the Diem.

lol it’s just a shit-test to see if he’s insecure about it or not. It’s probably not even a conscious one, most of the time it isn’t (ie – they aren’t aware that their shit-testing means there’s some tiny bit of attraction to build on).

Here’s some Tyler stuff. There’s an important point in it:

“he suddenly looked at me while I was in the front seat and said, “YOU HAVE GREEN HAIR.” I stared at him blankly. He mentioned that I could stare at him blankly because I know my hair isn’t green, then asked me about an insecurity I have. I said that I haven’t been laid yet at World Summit. He then proceeded for a few minutes to stare at me while saying stuff like, “ARE YOU SERIOUS. YOU ARE IN LAS VEGAS, WHERE GIRLS GO TO GET LAID AND YOU CAN’T EVEN GET FUCKING LAID? YOU AT A PICKUP SEMINAR IN VEEEGAS AND YOU CAN’T GET LAID? DUDES ARE GETTING LAID LEFT AND RIGHT AND YOU CAN’T EVEN GET FUCKING LAID, WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT YOU? YOU LITTLE BITCH? ALL THOSE GIRLS AT THE CLUB DANCING WHILE THEY ARE DRUNK OFF THEIR ASSES AND YOU CAN’T EVEN PICK ONE OF THEM AND TAKE THEM HOME? THAT MEANS YOU AREN’T ATTRACTIVE.””

“He did the “green hair” thing because THATS YOUR BASELINE… you get that, right? Like he yells at you in front of a crowd of people like, “YOU HAVE GREEN HAIR” and you’re just like, “Uhh…u just think no… wtf lol” and maybe you kinda laugh but really, you’re just like.. wtf are you talkin bout man… Becuase, as he said… YOU DONT HAVE GREEN HAIR… and it’s like really really really really really fucking obvious… because well, you either have green hair or you fucking don’t lmao.

But THEN… he calls you out for something that YOUR NOT CERTAIN ABOUT… he yells at you in front of everyone JUST LIKE BEFORE… the ONLY DIFFERENCE…. is that this time it’s about something you’re insecure about holmes. This time, it’s about something that isn’t, in your eyes, as black and white as “green hair or no green hair”…

In your mind and heart you KNOW FOR A FACT that you don’t have green hair, so like it doens’t fucking matter what he says.

THe point is- whether or not you got laid at world summit doesn’t fuckin matter… You either KNOW that you are attractive or you don’t … and if you KNOW that you are attractive… then the whole thing with Tyler yelling at you in front of everyone wouldn’t effect you…. it would have the SAME effect on you as him telling you that you have green hair.”

And from Tyler: “Lastly as Bhuddagames said, the point of the exercise was to show you exactly the difference between a shit test where you feel secure with yourself, and a shit test where your sense of certainty isn’t as strong. It wasn’t a random barrating!! :) The girls will fuck with you faaaaaar worse, as I personally have girls saying all sorts of super mean things to me before fucking me on a weekly basis.

I’m often hard on students because THE GIRLS will be harder.

Personally girls have been really fucken cruel with me over the years — like many girls I sleep with say the cruelest shit to me beforehand.

I had one girl recently push me into the couch and say over and over that she only fucks tall guys and that I’m a “miniature man” and too small to fuck. The girl is very very hot so you know it’s likely true she’s only fucked tall guys before me, etc.

Other girls will call me out on losing hair, being pale, etc. The shit is absolutely absurd — it’s only because my reaction is the same as if they yelled “GREEN HAIR!” (ie: totally indifferent) that I wind up getting laid and even having the same girls getting all needy after.

The bottom line though is WORDS ARE JUST WORDS. It’s a bunch of noises coming from a person’s throat. “Like chirping” as Julien would say. Irrelevent.”

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Her telling him he’s too short should register as significant as her telling him “you’re perfect except for your green hair wahhhh”. The only reason this story hits guys on an emotional level is because most guys are insecure about their height or have friends who are, etc so it’s a sore spot. And her subconscious knows that. Does her hypergamy want a pussy who lets things a SILLY INTERNET GIRL says emotionally devastate him to his core? How is he supposed to handle the shit the world will throw at them as a couple if some text sent by a silly Internet girl he doesn’t even know rocks him?

Her hypergamy wants the guy that knows that any shit she gives him, or anyone else gives him, is just irrelevant chirping and won’t deter him from his goals.

I don’t think there’s any attraction there. I think she’s probably just looking for another beta male orbiter to add to her collection. That’s why she threw out the “let’s be friends” suggestion. If you’re a guy and you hear that from a female you need to make sure you don’t waste another microsecond of your time on her.

So, go to school event at a bar. Jennifer is there. I don’t have much interaction history with her, which is kinda cool cause I haven’t fucked up enough to LJBF outright yet. Jennifer is like…a 6-6.5. She’s the friend from the last field report that I said I was going to make up this rumor, blah blah blah (that’s probably my only real interaction with her).

I sit next to her at the table with everyone, and I kind of open with small talk. But within about thirty seconds, I’m asking whether her friend asked her about the rumor and told her about me loving her. She blinks and is like ‘no she didn’t tell me about the second thing.’

I just repeat it ‘oh yeah, I’m in love with you,’ and lean back with a shrug and smile. She nods and laughs. I just sit there looking at her for a moment.

Me: Look, don’t make it weird. You’re making it weird.

Her: Nooo, I don’t think I’d make it weird. You’re the one who brought it being weird up.

Me: …listen you’re just going to have to deal with the fact that we’re soulmates and we’re probably gonna bone like 6 times a week.

Her: (laughs) Okay, well I don’t think you’re in love with me.

Me: ARE YOU SAYING I’M A LIAR AND THAT YOU HATE AMERICA? That’s disgusting. If I didn’t love you so god. damned. much………

She laughs, shaking her head. I’m actually unsure if it means anything though, because I mean…unlike most girls, she actually seems pretty socially savvy, so I discount chuckles/laughs as IOIs. But whatever, fuck it, I’m kind of having a good time anyway.

Me: It’s kind of a big deal. So……we should probably hang out.

Her: We’re not hanging out, all of us now?

In the past, I would have just given up — even, especially, in the context of a social circle. But I’m just like….fuck it, man. What other choice do I have?

Me: Nah, I meant like just us hanging out.

I said it strongly, I remember that. She nods.

Her: Okay, sure.

In the middle of the conversation I just get her number — it feels much more natural to ask for someone’s number in the context of a social circle. And then…I just kinda, lose courage.

Me: Yeah, I mean while I’m IN love with you…I just want to be friends though.

Mentally I roll my eyes at myself like wtf you piece of shit. She slowly nods, ‘oooh ok, well I don’t think you’re actually in love with me.’

Me: WHAT?

Her: Wait, do you think that love is objective?

Inner debate, do I answer honestly, is she giving me some sort of ninja shit test, wtfidk. For now, I just answer honestly….it’s just this spiel about ‘believing in belief for its own sake and how that’s important to the human experience.’ This sparks a big conversation, and I kind of regret what I’ve done. Because previously, the two chodes sitting across from us didn’t exist. But now, she asks them the question — they jump in, agreeing with what she says = that it isn’t. She asks the waitress, who by the damned way is a freaking 8 — I’ll probably go back there just to try and game her soon. The waitress agrees. It’s everyone vs. me. I just kind of shrug and say ‘ah well, I think believing in something higher than yourself, just for its own sake — regardless of whether it’s true — is a powerful motivating force in life.’

She sits back and says ‘oh don’t get me wrong, I’m a hopeless romantic.’

Me: So then what are we arguing about?

Her: blah blah blah blah I’m smart.

I kinda just sit back, because I think arguing logically with a girl is pointless. At this point, I just kind of downshift, figuring I royally fucked up and misread everything. By now there’s like four other guys surrounding this girl with me because most of the other people have left. Her and two other guys go outside to smoke, she invites me to come along…

Her: You can come with us if you want.

I have always hated when people have put any invitation to anything like this. And I always have a similar — maybe dickish — response to it.

Me: Yaaaa, it’s a free country after all comrade.

Her: Well…I was just saying, you can come if you like.

Me: Maybe…it’s cold out there.

For awhile I just sit and talk to the other dudes, but eventually we all go out there to part ways. But you know how that goes…takes like half an hour, mainly because all the guys stand around the girl…it’s like some sort of stupid fucking mexican standoff. However, two of the guys did get into a discussion about something or another that was really boring and technical, which left me and her free to talk about stupid shit like the best weapons to use in a zombie apocalypse. After awhile, I just say I’m leaving, get hugs from her and handshakes from everyone else, and go.

Not really a cold set, but ehhhh……this shit just comes out in everything I do now, so whatever.

Friday:

So, I text her today: hey this is scray, i live in your phone now.
Her: Hey Scray, a phone is a weird abode.
Me: Ur a weird abode.
Her: Am not
Me: Rodrigo says yes (fake fiance I made up)
Her: Rodrigo lies

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So, up until this point the texts aren’t exactly lightning speed back and forth…each takes like, an hour between responses. She’s taking awhile to respond. She could be at work, but idk…I just take it to mean she’s not too into it.

Me: u raging this weekend or what
Her: Not really, except for Sunday obviously…what about you?
Me: Nm just planning our ice-breaking first date.

I sent the last one about five hours later, near midnight…so no response as of yet. But, regardless of if there ever is a response…everything I did feels wrong, and I feel like I need to read about text game, which I would have if I wasn’t so busy Friday with other shit. I feel glad that I was able to communicate -some- sort of direct interest. How fucking gay is that. Lots of self-discovery :D

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Friday night sucked dick. Went and hung out at this packed bar. Couldn’t hear shit. The group of people there that I knew are mostly lukewarm to me, save one or two. And ‘shut the fuck up’ girl from weeks ago made an appearance lol. I didn’t open any sets there…just felt so out of my element and I didn’t want to drink. I brought a friend with me there to hang, but neither of us had much fun. I did one thing that was fun.

Chode: hey bro, I don’t mean to bother you here at the bar, but could you take a picture? (points to his group)

Me: Sure brah!
(Takes phone, turns phone around, gets good angle, then just steps in front of group takes picture of self. Group laughs, Scray walks up to group leader and hands him the phone)

Chode: hahahah, now take a real one.
Me: (deadpan) No.
(walks away)

Thoughts:
My beliefs about my height are starting to change. I mean, short and fat — rapidly slimming down now though — me has zero-game options. Now, I don’t like those options so much, sure. I mean, I remember a Heartiste post ‘I didn’t need game to land my wife.’ Sure enough, the first and second pics are EXACTLY the types that, without doing anything, will take to me. I just can’t bring myself to do anything with less than like a 5.

The social circle stuff is new to me. I definitely feel like it’s going to be important, because I already can feel the pushback against me rising up in the group. The main thing about social circle to me, seems to be about state. And my state is still pretty weak. Working out helps a little but, ehhh….I really just think I’m gonna need to build up a ton of social experience — cold approaching maybe — and at least SOME success before I have a steadier state.

I think with some of your texting its like your asking too much out of the woman right away. With her I would stop texting her till next weekend, then send her a whats up, and work on double entendres and plausible deniability… It probably wont lead anywhere, but you are already in LJBF territory. Talking about sex in a fun and interesting way is entertaining to women and gets them going, then you work on figuring out a way to get over to her place. Whether it is for drinks a movie or cuddling. Just remember though, don’t waste too much time over at her place if you know nothing is gonna happen. If nothing happens after a half hour I usually go in for a slow seductive kiss and try to escalate, and if you get any resistance make up an excuse and leave. Also, don’t ever take advice from women about women, even if their advice is well intentioned it cant even be wrong. Meaning, success is determined by either succeeding or failing, the worst thing is to leave someone in limbo between not knowing if they are succeeding or failing which is what women are doing when they give advice.

Oh for sure I know I completely fucked up this interaction, although I’m still unsure where I went wrong. I can’t really find much about social circle text game (if there’s even a difference). But again, you’re totally right…her reply is a total LJBF hint:

‘Rodrigo says I shouldn’t date, but he’s ok with me hanging out with friends.’

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh fawwwwwwk. My plan now is just non-respond/bail.

I’m definitely itching to see what Yareally has to say about these last two FR’s though.

You didn’t fuck up per se’. She might not know the exact reason she gave you her number, but you got it nonetheless. At the puaforums there are some good texting guides, but I think where you go wrong is not escalating. I was listening to Adam Carolla’s podcast where he had Gilbert Godfrey as a guest, and in that podcast they were talking about how just being funny doesn’t get a guy laid, but it gets their foot in the door. Then Gilbert made the comment that women don’t lay in bed at night fingering themselves to fantasies of funny guys. Anyways, your first text was good, and when she responded a phone is a weird abode I would of said it is not my favorite thing to be inside of, and play off of that. You will eventually come to a place where you have outcome independence and be able to come up with things like that on the fly.

No more txts to that one, she’s friend zoned ya. Or rather, you friend zoned yourself. There was a point where you were good and probably could’ve pulled it off but your brain shit a brick and you pulled back and that incongruency pretty much doomed ya lol

It’s okay, practicing game is like chasing someone riding away on a bicycle. Down the road you’ll be able to catch them a lot of the time but at the start you’ll chase them and get a little closer than last time and then gas out and watch them speed off. :)

No more txting her. Txt her back flirt (hold your frame) if she txts you (my mentality is “I am a flirt. If you contact me, I will flirt with you, that’s how it goes. If you don’t want to flirt with me, stop txting me, because I am incorrigible and 100% believe that I will eventually get you.” If she keeps txting me ill usually win her over (strongest frame wins))…but don’t txt her first.

She probably won’t txt or will out of politeness to invite you to some group event. If that happens that’s cool, the way to recover and get her is to basically demonstrate a shit-ton of value (be awesome around her and in your group and hit on other girls around her etc) until her hypergamy forces her to chase you…but 1) this can take a long time lol and 2) you can’t demonstrate the amount of value you now need via txt, only in person, so txting her has ZERO benefit for you from a logical % play-the-odds standpoint.

So if she txts you, flirt as if you assume it’s on, if she invites you out, own her group and mack on other girls in front of her, otherwise no txting her.

FR analysiseseses are comin, it was a busy weekend for me sorry lol. I’ll link em for everyone when they’re up

Yareally, would you elaborate on how Scray could’ve maintained that tension he had at the begining with this chick. I was reading the report and I felt it slipping into a LJBF zone but couldn’t identify specifically how it veered that way or what he could’ve done differently to pull it off. Thanks!

Yo man I’ve been learning a fuck to from your breakdowns of Scrays field report.

The impressive part is that Scray gets a ton of IOIs and you’re able to break down the nuances. I read the analysis and am like, whoa, the same thing happens to me; all these IOIs and potential lays that I’m oblivious to.

Will do! I’ll address it in-depth in my analysis, check back here in a couple days. The exact “tsn turning point” was “Me: Yeah, I mean while I’m IN love with you…I just want to be friends though.”. He was done from there. The thing is, he didn’t sabotage himself with the actual words he said…the sabotage came from being incongruent with who he presented himself as in the first half of the interaction. Once her subconscious catches a glimpse of a chick in the armor, she can no longer trust him to be who he says he is because something is “off” and from there her defenses go up. This is why girls like assholes, because they’re congruent…they can TRUST them to be an asshole lol Comes back to the Joker: “Nobody panics when things go according to plan…even if that plan is horrifying!”

@immoralgables

“I’ve been learning a fuck to from your breakdowns of Scrays field report.”

That’s why I’m doing it here publically instead of just E-Mailing Scray. :) I got a TON of benefit out of reading Field Reports and other people’s breakdowns of them back in the day, so I know there’s a lot of value in it for the guys who are going out and applying this stuff in-field and seeing all the correlations and connecting the reference experiences in their head. Like you say “woah, the same thing happens to me!!” and boom, some part of your experience makes more sense even though it wasn’t your Field Report.

“The impressive part is that Scray gets a ton of IOIs and you’re able to break down the nuances.”

lol like I say, Naturals are usually really good at subconsciously picking up on these. I pick up on them consciously because I had to learn them. The funniest example of this idea in general, that you can get better at seeing these IOIs etc. is that I had a buddy who always talked himself out of girls being into him. Then he did PUA stuff for a few years and he came back from a trip or something and he was telling me about it and he was like “man girls are so slutty these days…this one girl, she stood beside me in line and then ASKED ME THE TIME. I was like okay fine I’ll hit on you…” and he was 100% serious and we laughed at how much his mentality had changed over the years compared to before.

A lot of these things sound delusional to guys who don’t go out and study pickup and learn to look for the IOIs, so they write it off as us just bullshitting ourselves and exaggerating etc., but that’s because they don’t go out and have any success and they don’t get that we have a shit-ton of reference experiences of “10 girls who’ve asked me for the time have turned out to only be asking me that because they’re attracted to me and I’ve made out with most of them and banged a few of them, so when a girl is asking me for the time, it is completely within my reality and logical that that means she’s attracted and that it’s something I can probably push toward sex if I run some tight game and collect some other IOIs.”

lol seriously, when gables said I get a ton of IOI’s I was like ‘wtf.’ I mean, I guess I can’t convey how girls say things to me — esp cold approach — because a lot of the time it’s just said flatly. idk, the goal is to get to 1000 approaches and see how I feel about game then. What’s funny is that I haven’t even made it to 30 sets yet lol….

What’s interesting to note though is that when I started undergrad I didn’t know anyone, and I had no idea about the PUA community. My natural instinct was just to cold approach people — mostly girls. I cold approached one girl, completely fucked up the interaction by getting into a long-winded debate about Kerry v. Bush. Cold approached another girl and she became my gf for years.

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What would my life be like now if I had just kept cold approaching back then?

ioi’s are often a lot more subtle than guys think, especially guys who don’t have experience with Game. Most guys are waiting for the girl to go “I want your cock in me” spread-legged on a table, and even THEN they’d go “do you think she was into me? Maybe she’s just flirty with everyone”.

I can’t count the number of times I’ve watched friends throw away what are blatantly obvious opportunities because its so outside their reality that a girl could like them that they convince themselves it’s not happening. It’s phenomenally frustrating and it’s not an isolated incident, it happens over and over with the guys and I’m just like “god you’re killing me please just fuck her already!! She’s dying for it!!”

And the funny part is a normal guy would watch this go down and laugh with me and be like “ya that guy is an idiot it’s so obvious she wants him!” but then the same thing will happen to him and he’ll be like “well her voice tone was flat so she was probably just being polite…”

I’ve gone off literally shit like a girl holding eye contact for half a second longer than she needed to, one single neutral non-insult in a barrage of insults, one re-open about some completely boring and irrelevant topic. It’s in the checkout girl who lingers an extra second handing you your change. It’s in the curious question your buddy’s girlfriend asks you after you say something that makes her laugh. My buddy has hit on the girl at the taxi service when he phoned to order us a taxi just because he picked up on a slight voice inflection that he knows means there’s a spark he can fan into a flame.

When you learn to see it all, you will shit a brick at how many guys are passing up girls who would fuck them…it’s insane and depressing in a way lol but it also fuels why I’m not concerned about competition when I go for a girl. Even if a girl is more into another guy than me, I know 90% of the time he’s gonna fuck it up or get cockblocked or talk himself out of it loooong before he gets his dick in her.

And you can tell them “dude seriously here’s all the shit she’s doing and why you should escalate” and they will fight tooth and nail to resist going for it. It’s amazing that someone would resist something that they logically WANT lol but there are a bunch of psyche principles behind why they resist so it makes sense…it’s just really frustrating when you’re their buddy and you know they need to get laid but won’t accept that a girl is into them until she pins them down and sticks their dick in her for him and even then he’ll wonder if he’s misreading her signals lol

My favorite description is from Roger Dodger:

“All right. Here we go. Get this straight. Sex is everywhere, okay? It is all around us. It’s not some distant destination. It’s not Everest. It is right here. You have to attune yourself to it.
You have to bring yourself into alignment. You have to find the zone, Nick. Okay? Do that, and I promise you a whole world will open up. Look at me. I walk around in a state of total receptivity. I’m like a fucking lightning rod.”

This is a pretty good description of the mental state my Natural buddies and myself live in.

Also this isn’t just ugly dudes that talk themselves out of it. I’ve seen tall good-looking guys do it too. It’s insane to me lol

This is why I’m pointing out all the little moments/signals where you could have worked the situ into a successful pickup, because I know you are oblivious to those moments right now and you need to understand how abundant they are in your interactions so that you start to act on them and crash through those success barriers and shatter your limiting beliefs.

I can identify with this guy. I’m 5’7″. I typically offset by wearing my favorite pair of boots which bring me up to a reasonable 5’9″. And hey, if you get to the point where you need to take your boots off and you’re gaming a woman, you’re most likely not vertical at that point anyways.

Unfortunately height is one of those immediate physical indicators of alpha traits along with upright posture and physique. Height means almost nothing in reality, though. Hockey players are the manliest of the manly, and their average height is about 6’0″. The game rewards people with a low center of gravity.

It’s just another disadvantage that needs to be played strategically. If a guy has a prominent nose and a girl makes a remark about it, he also has to disarm it with either humor or reframing. The key issue at stake here is to demonstrate you’re a man, not a boy who takes everything personally and must be coddled and comforted all the time.

We already have self-esteem. Why? We’re high value. Say it until you believe it, and it will be true.

I hit the gym hard. I’m 5 foot 9, weigh 165-170, and bench 290. Taller “cool” guys (like those basketball players with polio arms) know that height is no advantage when TSHTF. Lots of these guys have NEVER been in a real fight.

You hit on another point – chicks are as dismissive of ectomorphs as they are of “short” guys. I’ve heard enough cattiness about ectomorphs to know that women despise them. Unfortunately it takes ectomorphs a lot of time and effort to even put on a few extra pounds of muscle.

I have time and put in a lot of effort in the gym. Women are secure with someone who can easily cripple or kill some niggerball-playing pussy in a couple of seconds. You ain’t big, you’re tall, that’s all. Military training, Tae-Kwon-Do, boxing, wrestling, and overall viciousness usually carries the day. I almost always get away with a close-up “Fuck you!” inches from some taller asshole’s face. If not they walk home with their teeth in their hat. If they’re lucky. If they’re too big, I use a knife. I ENJOY fighting. My opponents, not so much. Women think I’m crazy and that gets the tingles going. Fuck with me and you might die. ‘Nuff said.

Two things come to mind. my style of clothing makes it hard for women to gauge how muscular and strong I am, when I get lucky they usually comment they had no idea I was like that. I would do better getting tailored clothing that fits well. I was reading on here that body wise arms are what women trend to notice on guys first but they can be the hardest thing to develop

Not to excuse the cuntery, which is cuntilicious in the extreme, but perhaps some of this dynamic comes from the fact that tall women are frequently rather self-conscious about their height in the same way that some short men are self-conscious. (I personally don’t get it; I always wanted to be 5’10” or taller, but it just wasn’t in the cards for me genetically).

I have a tall friend who hates the fact that she towers over many men, and gets visibly upset when she sees a tall man with a petite woman. “Save the tall guys for me!”

The “computer” industry used to be a lot of fun until all this Web 2.0 garbage began to appear. Now it’s filled with hipsters and losers. The “tech press” is complete garbage compared to when it consisted of just a few magazines. Gizmodo, Mashable and TechCrunch should all just disappear because they suck ass.

(Next scene: Days of Broken Arrows heads back to dorm with Debbie (actual name) because he doesn’t like rude women even if it is just a “shit test.” Plus, Debbie had breasts from god. The memories still linger…)

I’ts funny, I’m 5’9 and never gave my height a second thought until I got into game. And I didn’t realize I was 5’9. I was 5’7 when I was 18 and that was the last time I checked because I had assumed I had stopped growing so I went 20 years claiming 5’7 and shortchanging myself an inch and a half!
In hs, I weight about 140lbs and started on the football team(no Al bundy stories I promise!) I could always bench 100lbs more than my bodyweight and was always the hardest hitter on the football team so I had the respect of all the bigger guys so out of school and in life, i never gave it a second thought.
Anyway, I have girls with bfs and husbands that are 6 ft plus and their women call me. No woman has ever told me I was too short at least, but who knows what goes on in their minds.
So guys, I’m telling you, if your height doesn’t matter to you, I think you will be okay if you learn some game, at least if you are around 5’7. If your close, say 5’5 there are shoes with easily an 1-2 inch heel that will help. That said, I never even considered my heigth until I got involved learning game.
A couple of my ladies are about 5’10 maybe 5’11 and after reading this site, I did ditch a pair of shoes I had that had very little heel, and I now wear a brand of shoe that pretty much always has a 1 1/2 inch heel.

Otherwise, I got nothing but guesses on this subject. Feelsgoodman. God bless the PUAstructors for cracking this particular nut. Height to men = weight to women = hair to black women = education to black men.

Get lifts, work on your posture, channel your inner Robert Downey Jr./Mark Wahlberg, don’t ever crane your neck upward? I wouldn’t laugh it off so much as turn it into a strength: a kind of peacocking that doesn’t lapse into Napoleonic overcompensation.

Crispie Creme Christie is pretty good at deflecting commentary about his weight, though he is an inexcusably fat fuck. He dominates interviews by addressing his fat-fuckedness squarely and turning the humiliation back on the person for persisting, which, presto-frame-o, suddenly seems petty and small.

I weigh more than you and I’m 5’6″. I have always dated 7-8’s although you wouldn’t know it by looking at their facebook pages 20 years later :). Then again, 20 years ago I could buy my jeans in the children’s section (26″ waist).

A+ on the confidence. Like in fighting, you go in confident and don’t lead with your face. In love, go in confident and don’t lead with your heart. The first time my wife told me she loved me, I pretended I didn’t hear her.

It is true about the milk. One estimate is that drinking a lot of milk in childhood causes you to grow about 2 inches.

One thing people don’t mention about paleo diets is that modern diets make people taller as well as fat. Hunter/gatherers are pretty short.

[Heartiste: I read somewhere that Americans have been getting shorter on average since the mid 20th century. If true, this would belie the contention that a surfeit of food is making everyone taller as well as fatter.]

Most of the height growth due to the modern diet is in the legs. Apparently, contemporary japanese are about the same height when sitting down as their grandfathers who are considerably shorter.

[This has less to do with diet and more to do with evolved racial differences in body structure.]

“but the dude who she would have had to cheat with would have to be a carbon copy of my old man since he and look like twins”

well, maybe she has a type: men who remind her of your dad pre-settling down.

but i’d bet you’re his kid. cuckoldry isn’t very common, and your height, though it doesn’t approach the nearly +2 standard deviations of your parents’, is still on the right side of the bell curve (young non-mestizo white men average 5’10.4″ in the u.s., blacks 5’10”, mestizos 5’7″). well within the realm of normal variation.

in support of anon’s comments, milk- and protein-rich diets probably buy the scandinavians and especially the dutch their slight height advantage over other Westerners; perhaps your folks ate better than you. probably your height is just another demonstration of regression to the mean–especially if your parents are among the tallest in their families.

Yeah, maybe a victim of the MSM over the last 30 years bleating about the “dangers” of dietary fat and protein, and pushing North Americans towards a high carb, plant based diet with lots of estrogen mimicing soy.

Mostly it’s been the fear mongering about dietary fats.
However, some of the pushers of vegetarian diets have claimed that a meat centric diet can cause harm from too much protein. I think they claim it damages the kidneys.
Just one part of the long term push to get people on a high carb, plant based diet, with the resulting wide spread obesity.

Most of the vilification of carnivorism came from animal rights/feminazists in an attempt to get people to ditch fats and meat protein. Despite what the AHA or any other doctorless health organization says, you need salt, chlorestoral, and meat proteins to thrive.

Also, big agriculture and food business has been at fault. North America grows immense quantities of corn and soy. Corn and soy are in much of the processed food that so many people eat. The push to a plant based diet is probably at least partly a case of profits before public health.

Archeovore, lift like an animal, and swim 2-3 km per day in cold water. You become the caveman/half-animal that every woman wants to get ravished by. They bitch that you abuse your body, but they love being abused by the beast. Bondage, strangulation, suffocation, and anal becomes the norm.

Over the last decade, the number of paternity tests taken every year jumped 64 percent, to more than 400,000. That figure counts only a subset of tests — those that are admissible in court and thus require an unbiased tester and a documented chain of possession from test site to lab. Other tests are conducted by men who, like Mike, buy kits from the Internet or at the corner Rite Aid, swab the inside of their cheeks and that of their putative child’s and mail the samples to a lab. Of course, the men who take the tests already question their paternity, and for about 30 percent of them, their hunch is right.””””

Actually, I work very little and don’t need much money. I just don’t give a fuck about work. I’m a part-time college professor and full-time miscreant. GFs always buy me what they think I need, like washing machines, refrigerators, furniture, cars, etc… but they know that nothing is as important as my self-built (semi) street-legal Harley drag bike. It’s a pussy magnet.

Agreed. Its been said many times.
Women are emotionally stunted 12 year olds.

All you have to do is BE more solipsistic than her.

BE the most solipsistic man in the room, THE most solipsistic man in the environment AND THE most solipsistic man in the conversation.

In other words make it about your awesomeness and why she’s right in disqualifying herself.

I can easily understand why you would think of me as Jack the Giant Slayer
Of course you would be apprehensive and feel out of control in my company
I totally get it. A woman like you would need to disqualify herself somehow. That I totally get.
Perfection is intimidating to handle for most women I know.
Be a good friend then and send your girlfriends to me.

I’m just under 5’4″ reading comments from guys who are 5’8″ and think they are too short. Where does that leave me?

For those of you who only think of Mickey Rooney as some old guy, remember that he had (and married) a huge list of A-list Hollywood starlets.

In the scene linked to below and the scene after it, Mickey meets Dorothy Ford and then goes dancing with her.
Mickey is about 5’2″. Dorothy Ford is about 6’2″.
Mickey doesn’t let this phase him, and probably didn’t let it phase him in real life either.

Boyfriend Trainer, which is available in both the App Store and the Android market, lets players slap, electrocute, or mace a virtual boyfriend for what most people would call minor transgressions, including drinking their girlfriend’s drink or leaving his shirt on the ground.

“Crack that whip and teach your guy a thing or two about being the Perfect Boyfriend!” reads the game’s description. “When scolding doesn’t work, just zap him, whack him and train him to be your ideal man!”

For instance, when the boyfriend eyes another girl at what appears to be a prom (or some other formal dance), the girlfriend/player whips out a can of mace and sprays it into his eyes as surrounding dancers laugh at his misfortune.

What’s funny is that most domestic violence is a woman hitting a man. It’s just that when men hit women we do more damage. The same situation happens with suicide; more women attempt, more men are successful.

Interesting comments here. As a short guy, I can say for certain that there is a preference for taller guys because 1) it’s more likely a taller guy can be her “boss” and be leader of the guys around him and 2) girls definitely care what her enviornment thinks of her and who she is with.

BUT what I’ve learned from going after a lot of these girls society says would be “out of my league” is that when you can flip the script on her…suddenly all of those concerns don’t really matter. Yea, in a perfect world I’m sure some taller guy with the knowledge of game that I have will not be beat in a head-to-head competition. If the girl feels you’re not totally sold on her, in her head that hamster runs wild. It’s the moment she lives for…it’s exciting and fun and, like playing Mario Bros on Nintendo, it’s the process of playing the game for the game’s sake and trying to solve it that keeps you coming back.

A little secret I figured out quickly…most of these “men” that are taller are relying heavily on their image to get girls. I can’t beat out all of them, but damn sure best a LOT of them by not relying on self image and actually treating the girls like another human.

As Yareally mentioned a few weeks back about his short friend…It’s almost as if you get “bonus points” as a short guy if you can attract a girl. says “contrast is king” in action. I highly agree. You stand out BIG TIME when you can be the boss as a short guy…because no one expects it.

Short guy with no game = no kidding, it fucking sucks to be you.

Short guy with game = complete opposite direction.

Game is only different at the margins for short guys…just a few other little things you gotta deal with at the starting point. Off of a thin slice, a tall blonde with a cute figure is, by society’s definition, going to be more valuable than little ole me right off the bat. Sometimes I’ll go direct as a warm up if I’m going to be approaching quite a bit, but honestly in my experience it’s a bad strategy because 1) it forces the serious consideration of “OK, here are the facts, do I want to date/fuck this guy or do I never see it happening?” and 2) before she gets to see the real guy (who I KNOW she’ll love ;)) she’ll lump me in the loser category.

I’ve had way better success as a short guy staying indirect….at least until she’s shown some interest back. I’m finding that it’s often as easy as 1) not appearing all that interested/keep it neutral/not sold yet, 2) hitting her with either a neg or some kind of qualifying statement where she explains herself a bit on something. It keeps the balance of power in tact where she’s thinking “OK so this short guy has a little going for him apparently. He’s not a pushover quite like I thought. He’s making me work for it. The muscley guys come on pretty strong and I don’t have to work for it with them. I like this…let’s see where it goes!” Or something to that effect lol.

Anyway…that was pretty long winded way of saying “it’s not bad to be a short guy.” Hold your value and make her work…and she’ll reward :)

“As Yareally mentioned a few weeks back about his short friend…It’s almost as if you get “bonus points” as a short guy if you can attract a girl. says “contrast is king” in action. I highly agree. You stand out BIG TIME when you can be the boss as a short guy…because no one expects it. ”

Solid post. And backs up what I’ve been trying to explain. It’s why I’m trying to encourage Scray to approach hotter girls and drop more sexual content/innuendo etc into his conversations…he doesn’t have to go direct right away because like you say it forces her to make a decision, but by approaching really hot girls and being indirect BUT expressing a very sexual personality, he’s combining the bonus points of approaching hotter girls than people think he should AND giving the girl a chance to see, experience, and fall for his awesomeness before he shows legit interest in her (the “soulmate” stuff isn’t legit interest, it’s clearly you fucking around so that’s fine to use right away lol).

I think the optimal route for a short guy who doesn’t want to cold approach is social circle game where he can build a reputation and become a leader in his group, banging the girls in it. Unfortunately this can be drama and the selection of girls isn’t as wide as being able to cold approach.

So for cold-approach I think the optimal route for a short guy is learning to work a group, and then cold-approach groups with smokin hotties in them indirectly. Take over the group, demonstrate a sexual vibe and social dominance etc, THEN switch gears to go for her because now she’s seen you have value and she’s more receptive, plus when you know she’s attracted and shooting iois you can drop in a “ya I just wanted to come hit on you, this was all an elaborate plan to get in your pants ;)” which when she’s into you, will escalate things solid. Like Scray’s last FR where he told the 9 his opener was bullshit and he just wanted to meet her.

Anyway, on height: To a guy, a girl in a slutty dress is a blinking neon sign of “this person likely has the attributes you want to fuck”. A tall guy is the same for a guy, it’s a shortcut of “this person probably has the attributes you want (sexual dominance, social dominance, leader of men, pre-selection, confidence etc)”

But 1) a lot of those guys don’t have those attributes to back it up (same as if that slutty dress girl was wearing spanx and a push-up bra and makeup and was ugly once it all came off) which is why I don’t give a shit at all about competing with them…their skills are shit because they haven’t had to work on them, like a rich kid with no money management skills…mine are tight because they HAVE to be lol, and 2) if, as a short/ugly/poor/etc guy, you can demonstrate those attractive attributes to her, she will be attracted, even if you’re shorter than her. This is why people always point to guys like Pacino when they reference alpha celebrity short guys, because a guy like Pacino is demonstrating all the alpha/attractive shit a tall guy is supposed to, he’s just shorter than them.

My best wingman I head out with regularly is 6’4″ and way better looking than me and a Natural. But when I’m hitting on all cylinders, I can take girls off him. I don’t grow taller or anything, I simply display the attributes I know are attractive and dominate the set.

It was a lot easier when we first met cause I say a lot of shocking inappropriate shit that fucks with people lol so I’d drop something about how I want to give the girl AIDS by doing her in the bum, like a minute after meeting her, and he’d completely freeze up like “holy shit did he just say that??” like a deer in the headlights waiting to see if the girls slapped me or not. So right there I’d become the dominant one in the group because he’s reacting to me…so if they thought he was an alpha and he’s reacting to me, then they’d assume I must be a super alpha.

Now we’ve known eachother long enough that he knows I do stuff like that AND that I can get away with it (because I smoothly pass all the follow-up shit-tests it instigates) so he isn’t phased anymore when I do that and it’s harder to take over lol. Now I’ve started just physically removing girls from him, like picking them up and carrying them off. He hasn’t figured out how to counter that yet lol but he will down the road I’m sure. The cat and mouse game continues lol

Nope lol that’s my own shit. I don’t want uncalibrated dudes out there saying shit the shit I say, they’ll get their ass kicked by guys AND girls.

I get laid with it because I can calibrate and handle the barrage of shit-tests it creates, and as we all know passing a shit-test builds more attraction than not getting shit-tested at all. But make no mistake, shit hits the fan hard when I do it lol that’s why my buddy would freeze up waiting for the consequences until he saw me turn it around and end up making out or banging the girl (no AIDS given! I am AIDS-less) enough times over the years that he knows it’s all good.

Remember it’s not the words I’m saying that works, it’s all the other stuff saying that and passing the tests demonstrates…frame control, not caring what people think, standing up to social pressure, self-amusement, assuming I will get away with it, etc

“Remember it’s not the words I’m saying that works, it’s all the other stuff saying that and passing the tests demonstrates…frame control, not caring what people think, standing up to social pressure, self-amusement, assuming I will get away with it, etc”

I have a friend back home that’s exactly like you in this regard. The guy can get away with saying ANYTHING. I’ve seen him in action plenty of times and if I were to pick out three qualities of the type of person that can ignite and then defuse these type of situs it would be:

1) Very playful, self-amusing personality where he can just ping off the environment. This is also why he’s pretty popular; people like being around him because he is always having fun. It’s because of that playfulness that he gets away with more shit because that’s what he’s known for; so it’s like “Oh, Fred is just being Fred!”
2) Very competent at passing shit tests. My friend grew up doing the most outlandish shit in school (painting nails black in elementary, dying hair in middle, freestyle battling others in the hallway in HS) and through the years he was able to handle and embrace being the center of attention. It was through years and years of practice and he’s lucky he got started knowing how to deal with the attention in middle school.
3) Very keen on the dynamics in a social situation. He understands the nuances of how guys and girls operate while out in public. The validation, the seeking of respect, if and when people are being real with their value or bringing faux DHVs to compensate for their insecurities.

So this is deferring to Anon’s original question where YR deflected elaborating on the AIDS routine. Knowing the routine and being able to say it is not going to help you. Using the three attributes I listed above (and that is just the tip of the iceberg), there are more qualities one has to have than being adept at memorizing and reciting lines in order to get away with the kind of BT-spiking social mastery that is described here.

The next question would be is, what kind of activities/exercises can I be doing that will give me some of the attributes that will allow me to get away with the AIDS routine.

The 3 points you broke down are solid and all a part of my vibe. I would add another important one to the list with regards to pickup: turn EVERYTHING sexual and imply you’re going to fuck the girl. Or if there are dudes in the group, riff a bunch of gay shit.

“Are you guys gay?”
“No we just wore the same shirt tonight by accident. That’s not gay.”
“lol well you–”
“Now sucking eachother’s cocks earlier. THAT was pretty gay.”
“omg lolololz mind blown”

My wing used to freeze up at that stuff and like 99% of dudes will too and the girl will grab her friend and go “omg listen to what he just said!!!” and I end up with the whole set reacting to me and I’m the center of attention. Any other guy in the set doesn’t exist anymore, even if they’re better looking or the girl was more into them before, because I’ve introduced a new, more emotional stimulus for them to focus on. “Follow the shiny object” and all that. Their RAS (reticular activation system) is 100% focused on me. Once they “solve” the situation I’ve created, the other guys will fade back into existence again so I only get a short window to work with. But I know how to escalate things and riff off it and keep opening more windows if I need to. This is a big part of how I take or protect my girls from other guys. Very few guys, especially ones who don’t know me, can smoothly roll with what I throw down. A lot will try, but it’s like a kid punching the same bag as Tyson lol my vibe steamrolls theirs.

Now my wing knows I’ll say shit like that and he just rolls with it and exaggerates it more. At that point it becomes almost a contest of who can say the most offensive shit, which is funny to us but his adapting to it means I can’t snuff him out as easily anymore lol

But step back and look at what’s happening when we do that…we’re completely self-amusing, we don’t care at all what the girls think so we’re outcome independent, we’re confident enough in our sexuality to joke about it, we’re comfortable and non-judgemental enough with sex in general to riff about it with girls we’ve just met, etc etc. in the end we get attraction, again not because of “the AIDS routine” but because of our sub-communications.

An example I stumbled across recently of this is Norm Macdonald in pretty much any interview:

Not a single fuck is given about her being a supermodel (vs conan’s fawning over her and interestingly, an example of a guy trying to force another guy to supplicate like “dude don’t you know she’s on a pedestal??”). Norm just slays the thing and he’s completely offensive. But because he has that shit-eating troll grin plastered on his face you know he’s just self-amusing. He comes off as way more alpha than Conan, who’s normally a sharp witty guy himself but Norm steamrolls him.

Starting at 3:40 in this clip:

Stick around to the end of the clip where he talks about gay pride lol he escalates the offensiveness as much as he can.

He’s saying logically really offensive shit but again he doesn’t have a single fuck to give and his troll-face sells it as self-amusement. CK Louis is really good at this too.

Note how Norm, Conan, and this Miller guy are all professional comedians, but which of the 3 sets a sexual tone/vibe in his jokes? I love Conan’s humor but its mostly dancing monkey humor.

Compare all those guys to someone like Craig Ferguson:

Ferguson is an epic flirt (though a bit dancing monkey), he’s awesome to watch to learn how to drop innuendo and riff and improvise and flirt, but his vibe is a little less in-your-face than Norm’s. Norm goes for the shock value, which is what I like doing. Ferguson’s vibe will get less shit-tests compared to Norm’s. I think that’s part of why Norm has that frozen-face staredown slow vibe to him…because he knows when he says shit that people will need a few seconds to register “wow did he really say that??” and realize they’re supposed to laugh lol

Also of interest is the Miller guy in that Norm clip who’s putting on a “shtick” for the cameras. That guy comes off phony and supplicative to the crowd and he’s basically putting on a persona…this is what most newbie/shitty PUAs look like to girls. it’s awkward and weird and incongruent. But Norm is just brutal honesty. What he’s saying is probably a routine but it comes from a place of “I’m saying this because its funny to ME, I don’t really care if YOU think it’s funny but it’s cool if you do.”

Anyway, this is a big part of why I don’t really hit on drunk chicks like a lot of people assume PUAs do. Those girls don’t get any of my humor and can’t register all the nuances so they just think I’m an asshole or 90% of it whiffs over their head. I much prefer the sober or just buzzing chicks who not only get what I’m saying but can play back at me with it themselves. A chick who can go back and forth with me is massively attractive to me. I use it as a qualifier (“Most girls can’t keep up with me. I’m impressed. (escalate)”).

And of course find what fits your vibe and personality. I like to get people to react because I feel like I’m seeing a more honest side of them when they’re thrown off balance and can’t keep up whatever “shtick” they’re putting on to impress/please everyone, so this stuff suits me and its all from my own twisted mind. You won’t find “the AIDS routine” on a PUA site somewhere lol

These replies only work in competitive sexual markets such as LA, NYC, or Florida. While women are not as obsessed with the physical as men, it is still important to them – and nothing is more important than how tall they are. In cities like Copenhagen and Toronto, you would need superhuman frame and borderline telepathic game to get over a height deficiency to get a local 7 at 5′ 6″.

Height is the funny difference between the sexes when it comes to physical desirability. Men obsess about womens’ looks except for their height. If she’s 6’2″ or 5’2″ with an hour glass figure and a symmetrical face, we don’t care. Women don’t usually care too much about mens’ looks – except for how tall they are. For women with high SMV in cities where desirable men effectively outnumber desirable women due to hypergamy, a short man with perfect game will not outmaneuver a tall man with existent but poor game.

The best evo-psych explanation I have heard is that women prefer tall men because their height when we were cavemen made it easier to club shorter men to death.

Ive always found it very hard to explain how women can have such a strong preference for height while men have no particular preference for height in women. Most men don’t care very much about height. Some prefer tall women and some prefer short women.

I don’t understand how men with a preference for taller women did not gain a reproductive advantage over men without such a preference because men with a preference for tall women would be expected to have taller sons, who would be expected to be more attractive to women.

Not only that, but height correlates with intelligence because taller people have larger organs in general and larger brains. I am not aware of any evolutionary advantage of being short as a human other than maybe that the smaller body is easier to feed.

Does anyone have an explanation for how a male preference for height in females never successfully evolved?

[Heartiste: The best explanation I’ve come across is that shorter women are more fertile than taller women, thus there was selection for shorter women, who, because of knock-off effects on siblings, have shorter brothers on average. Iow, the reproductive advantage accruing to short women trumps the reproductive disadvantage accruing to short men.]

Because only men are the good thing. A genetically successful man is a man that impregnates lots of females, or all the females. Not a man that discriminates between tall and short. I’m the best man ever, and all women could do with having my babies, they’d be better for it. I’m not being proud of anothers traits when i mate, i’m being proud of my own. Also i know plenty of short women with tall brothers, not all traits manifest in females the same as the males.

I guess women like tallness for the implied dominance or superiority, but it’s still only an implied superiority, its just good enough when its not clear what actually is a good thing. In a tribal situation it’s a lot more clear whos who and whats what. Who’s the good thing? which man thinks hes the best and does anyone agree with him? when people are forced to interact in an enclosed environment or competitive manner it’s a lot more evident whos the best, than any 1 physical or personality trait would indicate in this larger more anonymous world.

Nothing is good or bad but thinking makes it so. Women want a good thing, but don’t know exactly what that is…..because it’s whatever everyone else thinks is a good thing, including the man himself. Height is just 1 visual/physical indicator as to who should be taken seriously in a world when its not exactly clear who that is.

A man is a lot shorter when he is on his kness. Actual power still trumps all implications and indicators thereof.

I’ve been reading up on this and it seems there is some evidence that higher final height in women is associated with a slower and later onset of puberty. I found this conclusion in an article on the internet:

“The timing of menarche and the level of final height in Catalan girls with early onset of puberty was found to depend on prenatal growth. Girls with normal birth weight tend to progress slowly through puberty with a normal timing of menarche and normal final height. In contrast, girls with low birth weight tend to progress relatively rapidly to an early menarche and to a reduced final height.”

It may be the case that shorter women can have children earlier, which would definitely give them a pronounced reproductive advantage in pre modern societies, given that younger years are the more fertile years and that younger puberty means more fertile years.

The preference for tall men is nearly universal and strong in almost all women. Human populations gain and lose height on average. Every loss of an inch of average height battles against the constant female preference for height. Still, sometimes the loss of height is successfully selected for.

I have not seen an experiment, but I would guess that the female preference for height is actually absolute and not relative. That means that a typical Chinese woman will prefer a 6’+ man in the same way that a Danish woman would, regardless of the frequency of this height in their populations. Not only that but a typical Danish woman probably does not have any preference for a man who is 6’6″ rather than 6’2″, and a Chinese woman does have a preference for a man who is 6’1″ rather than 5’8″. Most all women like a little taller than 6′ as ideal. Being 6’8″ does not hurt a man, but it probably does not do very much to help him either. The relative commonality of a height in a population does not seem to have much if any effect on ideal height preference as far as I can tell from experience.

Bigger guys get no mercy from me. I can always stab them and go to court and say “I was afraid because he is bigger than me”, so I don’t back down from them. It could mean meeting the Grim Reaper for them, while I get off scot-free.

watching movie god bless america
pretty wild so far
interesting points dude gets fired after 12 years on job for sending flowers to some chick in reception
starts killing reality tv show people
but only thing is he asks a 16 year old chick who deserves to die she says people who watch nascar and people who listen to country music
so you can see some off influence
2nd movie today where white dude supposed to go on shooting rampage just watched employee of the month
only thing is its so rare in real life for it to happen out of 286 million people in states it happens a handfull of times it just captures the imagination some dude grabbing nuts and saying fuck it and having zero tolerance just like ompanies do

I’m 5′ 8″
was competing with 50 6 foot drug dealers and a 6 ft husband i won
who knows
chick says i need to delete who knows i did win lolzzzzz
got to add overweight too he he he
still haven’t got my teeth fixed only have the bottom ones on half a side
so no top teeth
small dick
and she likes tall in shape white dudes with big dicks for ltr’s

””’Watch what women do, don’t listen to what they say they want in men.”””
so that might be true
but her past ltr dudes she had kids with are 6 ft and over white dudes who still want her
plus the black dudes she knows plus the million dudes who want to fuck her
so i don’t know
(she just came in and cut out my nose hairs with the thing i got cause i said my nose was itching and got the boogers out)
she does know i can be evil though without emotion so maybe that trumps everything
and then the confidense thing even though some shit might be fucked up i still know i am the shit and deserve to be treated like a king and pampered

There was a guy in another thread here who talked about going to military school, being short and dating a women’s volleyball player. I’d follow his lead.

-Or just “Act As-If” you are a 5’6″ George Clooney or Brad Pitt.
Maybe you’re just too busy or too damn cool/high-value to care.
-Or reply, and lazily give her some alpha-abuse just to amuse yourself on a whim.

++Funny, but I have heard some of the most devastating stuff come out the mouths of Alphas abusing uppity women (+and on their insecurities, too); -and they all said it like they were either sleepy or bored; I could’ve sworn most were practically yawning.
Like: “Hrm; Or how ’bout you just grind your tits off with a belt-sander instead? -blaaahh;… yawn… God, it’s so EARLY; you guys wanna grab a coffee?” ::strolls off::

(btw, would that/any chick turn down a movie star because he’s short? most movie stars are absolutely tiny people.)

She’s a cunt, but she messaged you; attention == she likes you. I agree with the insecurity-projection-thesis.

-On a similar note, I can not begin to believe some of the apocalyptically-delusional bavage many women voice.
It routinely makes The Joker sound perfectly reasonable.
If you were a guy, you’d get thrown in an asylum for the same. -Just hilarious!

take all your faults own em and know its ilfe its shit for everyone try your best to make yourself happy at least
got a theory on the shit i look at the nice looking chicks coming out of the methadone clinic and ya got to think why did they start doing drugs why did they need to get higher than they should of allready been being a beautiful chick and being able to get whatever they wanted
maybe it is that in life if it is to easy or they can get any dude they want maybe that type of shit doesn’t make em high anymore they have to find new ways to get any type of high out of life because its to easy nothing is exiting cause they have done it all
maybe a few faults like being short make you appreiate the things you are able to do more because you understand it was a bitch to get and appreciate it more maybe
or why maybe its a longer curve to achieve everything you want so you don’t go down the complete nialist path quicker
or maybe it just makes ya commit suicide he he he
even the dudes going to the place look good no homo
got to be something to it
why do rich people destroy there bodies with drugs
allthough ok it does help em stay thin
noticed one fat chick there today and she gave my chick her takehome box that was all cutsied up and shit cause it was her last day of taking methadone she had gained weight as she stopped doing the drugs
maybe drugs are good

another great tactic is to make a neutral/slighty neg comment about something in one of her pictures not directly related to her. the hotter she is, the more direct you can go against her beauty, clothing. if shes more average, stick to a non personal subject.

“you need to clean your room it looks like a hamster cage”

“hey what is your friend’s name in the green dress”

“you always wear that same wrinkly skirt”

“cool outfits now I remember why I don’t shop for clothes at walmart”
[you may need to calibrate this with a ;) ]

And some good one word replies:

“nerd”

“dork”

“(yawn…)”

“eh…”

never reply right away. give it a few hours at least. or half a day, or even the next day.

Oh good! He was getting really bad results with what he had and I haven’t heard from him since we did the rewrite. Hopefully its because he’s getting more responses. He told me his plan is to swoop up a girl on the 13th, what is known as Desparation Day. lol

As a chic. ok, as my as a chic, I really…. don’t notice height that much – UNLESS they are shorter than me wo heels (in 5’5). That of course is if they walk around like they are 6 ft tall (confidence dudes, that’s what the post is all about!). I’d preeefer a guy 5’8 so I could wear heels and be the same height but really, whatever.

Tall men the same, slouchers seem short, shoulders back head up seem tall. I dated a guy for a month before realizing he was 6’6… went up to kiss him and was like wtf… he said, you didn’t realize how tall I was did you (we were taking things slow… okay)

“Uh huh.” Good stuff, though it helps when the girl (screenwriter) is leading the conversation in the right direction, allowing him to be laconic/aloof.

Bogie is the quintessential leading man who earned his presence with an effortless aura that wasn’t built on height, stature, status, or looks, like the other fellows, who were born with a firm alpha foundation.

Men are more observant of the subtle difference among other men. Like women and weight.

But women aren’t exactly “clueless.” Large deviation from the mean (very tall, very short) is an enormous first impression that takes work to overcome. It’s a primal spacial thing. If a tiny woman is walking next to me, I feel it, and it feelsgoodman. Likewise, if she is gigantic and displacing lots of cubic volume, the urge to dominate/protect turns into nausea, or worse, a sensation of threat. Captain, large mass on the sonar at 3 o’clock, closing fast.

I imagine it’s much the same for a diminutive girl. She is enthralled through dinner by his wit and looks and charm. And then they stand up to go. Oh. Right. Must she be the one on the lookout for bogeys? There is a solid instinctive reason why couples sort themselves out a certain way along a 10+ to 1 ratio.

Well, it does make it hard to kiss someone’s cheek when you’re standing there looking up at them like they’re a tree. Tall men are hard to peck! The nice part is they can pick you up like a feather, when you lean against them, you never feel like you’re squishing them, and if they put a hand on you, their giant mitts practically cover a tenth of your body.

I beat the fuck out of guys like that. Their size kept them out of fights but as soon as they get hit they cover up because they have no fighting experience. A little bit of pain and they’re whimpering like a newspaper-spanked puppy.That seals their fate. Knock ’em down and kick’em in the face. Game over.

You’re overcompensating. Like you have a lot to prove. You’re demonstrating everyone’s point when they say height matters. I’ve never seen so much combox bravado in one post. Close the can of whup-ass for a comment or two.

There’s the relaxation of knowing you can take care of threats. And then there’s the anxiety of thinking you have to constantly demonstrate your potential. If you’re big, you don’t have to do that as much — it’s written into your very body type. That’s the point.

Height really matters. And the shorter you are, the more it matters. Guys who claim it doesn’t are just whistling past the graveyard. Self-help gurus always try to talk around it, because there really isn’t anything you can do about it so it cannot sell self-help books, but – sorry – height really matters.

Great example of how to stay away from specifics. I was trying to set my friend up on a blind date and one of the first things she asked was how tall the guy was. I knew he wasn’t the six feet that she prefers, so I just replied, “Taller than me in heels.” That’s all that really matters, anyway.

OH JEEZ this is beautiful. So many possibilities here. The reply “you are perfect except for your weight” springs first to mind, but I would enjoy playing with this one.

I am fortunately 6’2″ and I can tell you that women are C.U.N.T.S about shorter guys – based on the experiences of friends I know. But on behalf of all you brothers 5’11 and shorter, I give women the payback they deserve,

Recently a cunt said to me “I SO like that you are tall. I only date guys over 6 feet.” Inside I was rolling my eyes but I came back with “OH YEAH? (faking keen interest) How tall are you?? 5’3″????

Of course she thought I was joking and proceeded to hate-flirt up a storm, following me after I excused myself, using my line as a comic ice breaker. (Ha ha ha right ladies?? is that funny to you? OK let’s take it further)

3 hours later we were back at my place and after the bang I didn’t call. About 3 months later, we bumped into each other and she punched my shoulder “HEY! You never called!”. So I said: ” remember when I told you I don’t date women under 5’5″. I wasn’t kidding. Take care doll.”

Left her there – FURIOUS with hamster spinning – and realizing what kind of a cunt she (and most women) are about this. So for all you bros 5’9″ and under, you can know that some of us are fighting the good fight for you. I don’t tolerate that shit from women – even though her initial statement was well-intended only as a compliment, it was clearly an insult to other men. I read somewhere that only 4% of men are 6’2″ and taller, so I raise my glass to the other 96% and tip my hat to you. Destroy these cunts right back. They want to start this game, it’s up to MEN to finish it.

No woman has ever – or will ever – reject me based on “height”, so I would never have to think about how to reply in the above example, but I would hold the mirror right up to her. “Well at least you admit I am otherwise perfect. You, on the other hand, are FAR from it.”

I was given a shit test about my AGE few times. Many women enjoy men 12 to 15 years older, and some don’t, so when a 21 year old says something like “you’re a little old for me” I cut her right back – which is especially effective the younger she is.

They might reject you on small penis size but don’t worry I am out there fighting the good fight for you and King A!

lol no but seriously, spread good vibes. You don’t get mad at a dumb dog for shitting on the couch. Chicks can’t help what they’re attracted to. She’d just date a short guy then cheat on him with a tall guy down the road, that’s no good.

If a dude (short, tall, ugly, poor, whatever) can’t pass a hot chick shit-testing him, he doesn’t deserve to get her and wouldn’t be able to keep her if he did. Step it up, gentlemen!

Har. Har. And in other online tips, don’t ask a woman out in a first email or she’ll immediately try to figure out why she can’t go out with you. Its too much too soon. Then you’re bound to get some sort of “‘rejection”/shit test. I had a 32 year old message me the other day. For many reasons, I didn’t want to go out with him, but I reply to EVERY email I get because, to me, all that other stuff like winking/liking of pictures/etc. is just a bunch of silliness. I politely replied that I really was looking for someone older (my age preference is clearly listed as 40-55) and I wished him luck. He petulantly replied, “I’m not a kid.” Well, that pretty much confirmed it for me. On the other hand, when I politely declined the attention of a separated man, he handled it gracefully, and, who knows, when he is legally single, it might be a different story.

I agree with this sentiment. I guess a lot of folks are (fairly, perhaps) bitter about getting shat on by chicks in the past so they ratchet up their meanness. This is the wrong starting point. Get over and above that shit.

“Wahhhhh my problems are worse than other people’s problems!! You just don’t understannnnd! Things are so much harder for meeeeee”

If you don’t base your self-worth on external validation, that link is irrelevant. No one said this shit would be easy…we’re men, we fight and adapt and overcome adversity. Pissing and moaning about how unfair the world is, is for women.

For everything a RSD video. Has it been compiled into chapter and verse yet? Or do you masturbate to them so regularly that you can call them up by memory?

Canards like “you don’t base your self-worth on external validation” are the pisswater remnant of the self-esteem bowel movement, designed to puff up unworthies with “You Go Grrrl” lies about themselves.

External “validation” (another pedagogical pansy word) is the surest indicator of one’s worth beyond the baseline of every individual’s infinite dignity. You don’t listen to haters. But then again, not every critic is a hater, as your paranoid church of The “Real” Dynamic insists to be the case. In fact, if your friends aren’t testing you through invalidation of your unearned, “self”-delusional “worth,” they aren’t friends at all.

“Or do you masturbate to them so regularly that you can call them up by memory?”

I have an excellent memory, I only need to masturbate to them once. :) Plus I go out and apply principles from them and gather first-hand reference experience relating to them, so they stick in my mind as “oh ya, that’s like that thing Tyler was talking about in that video I watched this week”. That’s that whole “going out and interacting with other people” thing you seem to think is beneath you.

“Canards like “you don’t base your self-worth on external validation” are the pisswater remnant of the self-esteem bowel movement, designed to puff up unworthies with “You Go Grrrl” lies about themselves.”

bla bla bla, you just say things for the sake of saying things. “I like pasta.” “Pasta is the pisswater remnant of cooking by peasants who don’t understand the first thing about the finest of culinary excellence and choose to wallow in their own filth of ineptitude!” “uhhh, sure thing dude?” Like, you’re not actually saying anything under all your flowery writing.

Of course it is. For you. That’s why you still post in comment sections of blogs that talk about things you don’t even like or have an interest in, begging for attention and validation from everyone. And you probably used to get it because you’re an excellent Internet bully…until people started calling you out lol

“But then again, not every critic is a hater (…) if your friends aren’t testing you through invalidation of your unearned, “self”-delusional “worth,” they aren’t friends at all.”

Agreed. I give serious consideration to my friends advice and critiques. But then, their opinions hold value to me. Your mistake is in thinking that your opinion holds any kind of value to anyone but yourself. That’s why no one listens to you. Try contributing something useful and positive to people, backed up with more than your bitter old crazy man shouting on the street corner ranting, and people might actually give a shit about you…think of all the wonderful external validation you’ll get oboy!!!!! :) lol

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[…] Height is the funny difference between the sexes when it comes to physical desirability. Men obsess about womens’ looks except for their height. If she’s 6’2″ or 5’2″ with an hour glass figure and a symmetrical face, we don’t care. Women don’t usually care too much about mens’ looks – except for how tall they are [källa] […]

If anyone needs further proof that online dating sites are nothing but a female ego-stroking scam, look no further than the fact that EVERY ONE of them requires users to put in their exact height TO THE INCH/CM — and allows users to filter people out for failing to reach a specific threshold — while weight is relegated to vague, weasly terms like “average” and “a few extra pounds”.

Lots of good comments here. Best of luck to our shorter brothers navigating the dating minefields and don’t ever let some cunt define you based on your height.

Unfortunately, it does matter at the end of the day. I’m lucky in this department: 6’4, 225 with an athletic build, been lifting my whole life. I’ve dated women from 5’1-5’11, and every one of them has told me, more than once, how much they enjoy being much smaller when they are with me. Truth be told, I like it, too. Sex can be a bit of a challenge with the really petite ones, so my ideal height is 5’6-5’8.

1) height matters to women- and is a disqualifier. accept it. now here’s the positive: you’re less threatening on approach. if there is a potential target in the group, pivot the tall one. make her laugh, roll off. then re-engage later.

even at 6’1″ ive been in environments where im the short guy. its relative. if ur 5’6″, dont hang out at the basketball league venues. and dont be a bitter little napolean fuck. learn how to reframe. the best frame for physical insult shit tests is: Embrace and Expand. (c) Ripp. heh…

2) internet game should be used as a light suppliment while applying and refining cold approach. internet is a gamble. hot women are overwhelmed with email from men. its mostly an ego-stroking attention whoring device for them. a utility. use it accordingly, use it to work on your game. not to try and find sex or a date. its a good starting point, but if u find its your only source of new opps, time to make changes.

3) internet game can help support txt game. be outcome independet, experiment. insult her beauty and she *will* most likely respond. you compliment her beauty, she won’t. whats that tell you? cofusing, peculiar, mysterious, different, quirky, silly, kind of dick, kind of cute, etc. this spikes attraction. she never gets it. view her profile pics, fuckable? yes. hit her with a one liner: “my friend sarah has that same skirt random”

3) learn how to refine your game to optimum levels of efficiency. always write a little less than she does. only make statements. then *TELL* her to give you her #. go for #close within 2nd or 3rd email. then start txt game. then close for meet.

4) best value of internet game is you can setup a stream of “at-bats” to experiment on.

ever been on a date and spent $0.0 only later she txts thanking you for the evening?

ever have a great time then ended the date abruptly?

ever bounced if she was 15minutes or more late?

every man has been disapointed to meet a fat hog from the internet that had pics up from 5 years ago. remember how disinterested you were? capture that frame. and use it on a hot chic when it happens. experiment with the ugly one. end date after 5 minutes. “hey im sorry this isnt going to work”. if u stay and spend any money on her, you’re a pussy.

internet dating is going through insane growth. revenue projections are through the fucking roof. thing is, 8s+ dont need it. they never will.

I don’t see ANY reason to be excited or insulted over this girl’s shit test on height. He should be glad she is honest. And, please remember no girl owes any guy anything. Everything she gives him he has to earn. The guy should just ignore the shit test. and say, yeah babe, let’s go out and hang out, with our similar interests and all. What she actually said was, your height is a negative factor, but, go ahead, impress me. If he has any game he’ll fuck her the second date. After all, it is the sex he is after, not some long term relationship. She might fuck short guys but not want to marry one.

BTW, somebody mentioned race and height discrimination. From what I hear, the Asians are the worst on that. Short Chinese guys are just anathema to Chinese women, I am told. Anybody have any experience with that?

BTW, somebody mentioned race and height discrimination. From what I hear, the Asians are the worst on that. Short Chinese guys are just anathema to Chinese women, I am told. Anybody have any experience with that?
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hmmm… it might be a wash because Asians as a race tend to be shorter in general but the men are still taller than the women. In addition, from a genetic standpoint, Asians often have short legs compensated by a longer torso; this is why the girls often ware “capri pants” which make there legs look longer.

Their short legs and compact size are why they dominate gymnastics and diving…; its provides a more manageable center of gravity for complex manuvers.

Finally, small size is the most efficient bady shape for humans which is why there are billions of Asians.

Indeed, it is better to be a tall Asian guy. But a short Asian guy with a fat wallet will still do very well.

To sum up, this entire debate about height is really a discussion about nobility VS “peasant stock”.

A tall person must be in charge of shorter people because he cannot compete against shorter people in the peasant lifestyle.

Something that hasn’t been mentioned: a lot of men lie about their height. They will measure themselves with bulky sneakers and built up hairstyles. Most guys claiming 6 foot are actually 5’10. And there are broads with delusions of modeling potential that claim 5’8 when they are 5’5.

Yes most women are 5’1 – 5’6″ so one wonders why they go on about hating short guys in the first place. If men rejected women because they are short, we would see a noticeable improvement in their behavior.

“You are perfect except for your weight. We should be friends, I think we would get along really well and have similar tastes/interests.”

I guess we all can imagine what kind of reaction this answer would cause. The funny thing is, women can actually do something about their weight (i.e., lose some), whereas men have no influence on their height.

Us extra-petite (~5′ or less) girls get rejected by guys based on our height as well. I am called “cute” and compared to a baby all the time. Look at you short guys get upset over being called short and then desire TALLER women! Hypocritical?