From the looks of it now, they arnt too close anymore. Personally I wouldnt put it past pat to do it, I know he knows his ****, and he is well respected, but I can see what hes doing with the USFA. I truely belive pat is setting up a monoply, and I wouldnt doubt he woul inform th fda on avant.

Dude,
uni liver tabs do squat for your liver. They are more of a form of acquiring Amino acids and a minut amount of protein, vitamins, and minerals. Theyre good to take but not required if your eating good. I take em though since there a cheap from of Aminos.

Legalgear has a liver support section now I believe. or at least the products that would help.

Im with nsruff, PA has been getting greedier and greedier over the years and it shows in his post. It doesnt take a genius to see that the hostility and possible jealousy is whats causing all the BS over at BB.com between the vendors and and members, mainly vendors bumping heads with each other though. Everybody has done nothing but commend how well a product the methyl versions are and could be and its almost as though the fact that nobody knows the future of it and where it stands with the government that they would rather promote it as a problem and not an answer. and thus push there own ****. And it seems that some people would rather push it out of the market completly because of what I just stated and do nothing else but give vendors carrying it negative feedback as a scare tactic, which is working very well. like I said before to Edog Id avoid any trouble and put it to the side till the smoke clears.

Also the fact that nobody over there is willing to except a new product without PAs recommendation is just garbage. Hes a smart guy and knows his **** very well but for christ sakes, let the **** be tested before flipping pages in the vida book and saying its crap.

Ive heard the saying "PAs clones" alot lately and Im starting to belive 1-AD isnt the only thing he's making in his labs. Some of his followers know jack **** about the industry and are exactly that, followers, but love to go around repeating everything he says until they are convinced that they know as much as him. He's got to realize that he's not helping the industry that he created by spreading slander on the internet to a bunch of brain watched kids. Im done, Im not even going any further. Ill be here all night.

Im know little about the supplement industry but I know alot more then most people about business and the way he does business nowdays has changed from how he used to. GREED is the word of the days kids. Can you say GREED. Repeat after me, G-R-E-E-D.

Exactly my feelings. Isnt it funny how pat says that 1,4adione cant be saved becasue it is only found in cow **** (which isnt true, it is found somewhere else) but he goes out and sells 4hydroxyandro. As soon as bil released his 4handro product, pat came out with one. It seems 1fast (even though he is a good guy) has to stick up for PA in every one of his fights, and to tlel you the truth, I wouldnt really listen to someone who dosnt even lift wieghts (1fast)

im kinda torn with pa these days.heres why.ok does everyone remember when 1-test first arrived? pat was screaming at the top of his lungs that it was bad for this industry..i do not doubt the man knew about it as he was the first to release 1-adione and then 1-adiol.now look whats happening ph's r going to banned.
pat def is showing that he is greedy and out for himself trying to only save 4-ad and 1-ad.i think one would def be foolish if u believed anyone of these guys is a "good guy" so to speak.show me a successful business man and i'll show u a liar.i def believe tha pat par story,just as pat allegedly tried to have mag-10 pulled.oh and if pat and par were firends before they def are not as tight as there were now because par pulled out of the usaf.

I ALSO THINK THAT ANYONE WHO TAKES ANYONES WORD ON ANYTHING JUST BECAUSE OF WHO THEY R ARE *******s AND SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO BREED.CHALLENGE EVERYTHING AND TAKE NOTHING AS A GIVEN IN THIS INDUSTRY.

Originally posted by legalgear.com I couldn't have said it better myself! That is exactly right. I am going to pull it very soon!

EDog

Say it ain't so man I want to get some but may not have the funds for a couple of months. SIGH!!!!! Oh well maybe the methyl hydroxy will be out then and I can get that. YES for my research on cattle ranching.

I wouldnt really listen to someone who dosnt even lift wieghts (1fast)

Actually, I just read over on the avant board that Mike has started lifting recently, so that comment doesn't really apply so much anymore. Why is everyone so quick to run the guy down due to the fact that he didn't lift though? It seems as though he more or less set the mold as far as innovative internet supplement businesses go, as so many of the recent supplement vendors to crop up tend to copy the 1fast webpage layout almost exactly.

Originally posted by curt2go Are you going to take anything for the liver??? TTY

I was going to take tylers liver detox and ALA. Anyone have any other ideas? I was going to take my 10mg of 1-test in the morning and 10mg at lunch and the Tylers before bed. Do oyu guys know were I can find tylers liver detox?

Actually, I just read over on the avant board that Mike has started lifting recently, so that comment doesn't really apply so much anymore. Why is everyone so quick to run the guy down due to the fact that he didn't lift though? It seems as though he more or less set the mold as far as innovative internet supplement businesses go, as so many of the recent supplement vendors to crop up tend to copy the 1fast webpage layout almost exactly.

We "copied" Mike's site because OS Commerce is the #1 open source internet commerce site. Wow, he is a real innovator... **** I bet he ran Windows XP before me on his home PC too... oh wait, so did millions of others! OS Commerce is a nice free site, not Mike's intellectual property.

Actually, I just read over on the avant board that Mike has started lifting recently, so that comment doesn't really apply so much anymore. Why is everyone so quick to run the guy down due to the fact that he didn't lift though? It seems as though he more or less set the mold as far as innovative internet supplement businesses go, as so many of the recent supplement vendors to crop up tend to copy the 1fast webpage layout almost exactly.

His layout was given to him by the program that many online stores use.....

Colin Powell said this once, you would do well to live by it: "Seek first to understand, then be understood".

You better start cutting some lawns quick then bro, I dont expect **** to get much better then this Methyl 1-test if its all cracked up to what everyone is claiming. The closer and closer we get to judgement day for our supps the less I think domestic vendors are going to be concerned about better products. I doubt vendors would want to stock up on publicly traded products days before there is a possibility of it becoming a crime to sell them. But thats not saying they wont have head statch for themselves.

Max,
Nothing against mike, hes a good guy, but I think the PA bug is starting to get him as well. As for the website, as everyelse has stated it is a free format and it is a basic format. He gets zero credit for web design of that page except for maybe some colors and pictures he added. I really care little if the guy lifts weights or not. You dont have to be strong to be a good businessman.

I agree he is a good business man, but I do question if he knows what he is talking about sometimes. He needs to break away from pat a little. I remember a few years back when 1ad first came out, Pat used to visit all the boards and answer questions. No arguements, just questions, but now that has all changed.

It IS 1-test, it is methylated for oral delivery with little first (or subsequent) pass degredation. There have been arguments that methylation effects the steroidal qualities (D-Bol vs. EQ), but I feel that the difference comes more from the release profile (no ester vs. a LONG ester) of the steroid than the 17AA modification to be methylated.

ManBeast

-Saving random peoples' nuts, one pair at at time... PCT info:
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No, in fact, the average daily dose of EQ should be higher given 400mg/week is the normal, and most never go above 50mg/day (350mg/week) of d-bol. With EQ, you get a long slow and relatively even release over a period of time (once stable levels are reached). With d-bol, it tends to spike up and trickle down during a day (even with the dosages spread out). I "think" the reason d-bol will bloat someone where EQ won't is because of the sudden spike of androgens prompts quick action to convert it, whereas slow and steady introduction (via a long release ester) will not cause the body to react as severly.

ManBeast

-Saving random peoples' nuts, one pair at at time... PCT info:
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/192992-pct-what-why.html
-Are you really ready for a cycle? Read this link and be honest:
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/191120-checklist-before-thinking.html
*I am not a medical expert, my opinions are not professional, and I strongly suggest doing research of your own.*