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"a card with no entitlements will not clear any channels" well:
I have had cards with expired entitlements, they had all disappeared, decoding all the soft **** and HD retail info channels. The oscam log shows what is happening, as shown in #8. People have said "these channels are not encrypted" but if I pull the card out the channel stops. This is in a box with no other connections or cards.
I have left the card working in say the climax channel and it got updated.

when you left white card with all tiers expired to update at climax channel which channels card open when get updated

difficult to answer the update time but I would have thought less than a day

any sly channel can be used for updating, but I tend to leave it on motors or a sony channel, then you know when its updated as the channel clears (I have never tried that channel you mentioned as I only use the ones I know about above)

I used to use c5 HD until it went dark

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when I tune to an encrypted channel I got
This Is the wrong Sky viewing card for this Sky+HD box Please Insert the correct one
Is It because of Inactive card or there Is a problem with cardcard does clear only BT sport preview and some XXX soft channels

simply ignore the message This Is the wrong Sky viewing card for this Sky+HD box
it will go away when card gets some Emm hits and picture will appear .
i usually leave it for a further 45mins aswell just to be sure .
freesat cards are being phased out it obvious , its gone from more than a few dozen to maybbe half a dozen channels
and freeview periods on various channels
but card may come in handy when Sky Offer thier free to view days like first games of EPL Season i believe was offered last season etc..
but be patient and follow what echelon has said that is the key and im sure your card will be fully working if you do leave it few days untill it updates
i know it usually dont seem like it will happen but ive had the same issue myself and its never failed thanks to advise i was given by Echelon and fellow members here too .

Good luck : )

The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Barney For This Useful Post:

thank you for support
two more questions -
If card got activated will It open also ch4 on 12.483 V
last night I left It In sky+ HD box but after few hrs box automaticaly turned off - Is It a problem If box Is not turned on

The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Barney For This Useful Post:

after more than week left working In original paired to card sky + box Amstrad 890 card still Is Inactive - does not open 4Music, etc
could be Amstrad 890C box with Rev 11 firmware does not allow card update - how about to put It In oscam linux box or other sky+ box - got Thomson sky+ box
also I am wondering how an expired card with no active entitlments can auto update with no operator action
do I need to register an acount with card and receiver nr
but at the other hand there are many expired card selling outhere and sellers claim to put In whatever box and It will update to actve 24 - 72 without calling sky etc