Obviously this was caused by the Government shutdown. If only we had a one-party dictatorship, we wouldn't have had this incident and everything would be running smoothly. Also, we have always been at war with Eastasia.

As a regular rider on that road - not in groups, just my commute - and based on my experience with people driving SUVs there, the guy in the car probably didn't yield and pushed into the bikes when he entered the highway - which is pretty dangerous for the riders. 'He did something that got them mad because the move where the guy pulls in front and blocks the SUV is insane. That's a 2 ton plus car versus a 400 lb motorcycle. Nobody would do that over nothing.

They SUV driver ran someone over and fled - that's a felony. He passes multiple exits where he could have pulled off and looked for a cop (or just stayed at the scene if the first place). He is also an idiot, he wasn't getting away by out running most of those bikes.

1:13 pm October 3, 2013

Hey now wrote:

@Mark

Native NYer here...I know that exact stretch of highway like the back of my hand you are wrong.
The video you see is taken my a rider and edited.

Look carefully those riders had stopped the flow of traffic or were slowing the flow of traffic to a complete stop in order to prove how cool they were and to allow the hotshots to do tricks. This is the busiest highway likely in the country. Thats why they were darting in in out near his car, to slow him down. Thats why there are no cars in front of them...this is almost impossible in NYC at that time of day.

They created the pump, like a bully saying hey you stepped on my Shoes..and then the poor guy even tries to pull over but as soon as he did that they tried to beat him up. So sanely he jetted out of there. THe person that got hit had it coming since he was intentionally obstructing them. He is no saint.

Looked for a cop?? The cops are afraid of those guys and were trying to stop them in other parts of the city.

1:16 pm October 3, 2013

marker wrote:

Hey mark if someone is bullying you to stop are you allowed to Honk your horn?? Im sure a computer guy and his baby and wife were trying to get 100s of bikers mad on purpose. The guy pulls in front and blocks the SUV is insane you are correct..... he was darting in and out like a loon to get the guy to bump him.

1:46 pm October 3, 2013

AJ wrote:

@mark:
Please stop being an apologist for the bikers. Jerks will use any vehicle to be a jerk. I'm sure you're not one of them, and I thank you for that. As for the motives for the SUV, even when it's know shown on the video is very very speculative on your part. Watch the raw footage on LiveLeak and see the history of these bikers. Look up articles about them - they're criminals (riding with suspended license, no license plate, DWI, aggression, etc). Then look up the history on Lien. I'm sorry, but the cards are stacked against the bikers and their credibility was shot a long time ago with their rap sheet. These bikers were in the wrong, plain and simple. Lien fled for the safety of his family because he was being antagonized; attacked; bullied. Lien had his wife and 2-year old daughter in the car, both who couldn't defend themselves against 100+ bikers. His only option was to flee, otherwise he or someone else in his family would be hurt. And this point is proven because he did get hurt in the end, and even stabbed on the face.

If these bikers are innocent, where are the other videos of this incident? Why did the original poster remove all his videos from Youtube? Why didn't they call the cops, and only Lien or his wife did? If these bikers are innocent, why don't they go to the police with evidence? In the video, there were plenty of other bikers with GoPro cams on their helmets. Turn those in for evidence.

Again, I think you're a responsible biker and I don't judge a person based on a vehicle because that's silly. But this bike mob is clearly in the wrong who escalated the situation instead of being calm and controlled, and I wish you could see that. Even Lien stops in the middle of the highway at one point of the pursuit until a biker tries to invade his space, which leads Lien to panic again.

4:09 pm October 3, 2013

dez wrote:

It is hard to figure out what I should think here. I have checked all of my usual news sources at Comedy Central and MSNBC and it's hard to tell who's side they come down on. I would like Presedent Obama to weigh in and tell us what he thinks about the SUV - bikers controversy. I need someone to tell me what to think and what to say. Thank you.

4:33 pm October 3, 2013

Anonymous wrote:

both sides are in the wrong and both should be prosecuted for reckless driving and endangering life and a danger to other road users

4:35 pm October 3, 2013

Anonymous wrote:

both sides should be prosecuted for reckless driving and reckless endangerment of life and assalt with a deadly weapon and then it will show that you cant break the law and get away with it

4:46 pm October 3, 2013

Dude wrote:

The driver is not, nor should he be, held criminally responsible. It's obvious he was trying to save his family from a bunch of violent thugs. Anyone who values their family would do the same. It's stupid to think the driver of the SUV purposely tried to piss off a group of bikers with his wife and 2-year old in the vehicle. Get a grip people. What exactly would be his reason to instigate this encounter. There's a reason biker gangs have the reputation they do.

5:03 pm October 3, 2013

anonymous wrote:

The bikers deserve every amount of pain inflicted on them. They are thugs, waste of space, useless air guzzlers.

5:07 pm October 3, 2013

real biker wrote:

no body knows what happened b4 this incident but the bikers should not have acted the way they did they are not true bikers and never will they be and PLEASE DO NOT TARNISH ALL BIKERS WITH THE SAME BRUSH Im a biker and these scum should be prosecuted to the highest level and the whole incident investigated fully it would never be condoned in the biking community and the law should be up held and the only way is a full investigation and impound all bikes involved as it is totally uncalled for what they did but the driver did cause harm with intent and it should be looked into aswell even if he was protecting his family the law is the law and he commited a felony aswell
Ive a family and would have protected them just as much but its still is unjust and unlawful to use a vehicle as a weapon

5:48 pm October 3, 2013

Alexis wrote:

100% bikers fault! All a bunch of law breaking thugs with criminal records. That's a fact!

7:06 pm October 3, 2013

Lol wrote:

The driver can't be charged because the thug was driving without a license or tags. The law is there to protect people that follow law. Once mr. thug started to driving down the road he already breaking the law which mean anything that happen him is his fault. That's how the law work people.

8:55 pm October 3, 2013

I_don't_brake_for_biker_morons wrote:

'They SUV driver ran someone over and fled – that’s a felony.'
Not if a mob is surrounding your car, with your family in it, beating on it. Then it's a perfectly legal self defense. The paralyzed guy just needs his Darwin Award and a seat near the window so he can sit and polish it. If you're going to participate in that kind of illegal mob activity, at least be smart enough not to stand *in front* of the car, let's your bro's do that for you.

9:26 pm October 3, 2013

NO wrote:

It is surprising how blasé the police and politicians are about this.

Would their attitude be different if skin colors were switched?

Where were the police when these thugs were shutting down the West Side Highway? Why aren't the police pursuing EVERY moron in that video? The video even show other morons wearing cameras. This is one girl with an iPad holding it up while on the back of a bike. There is a lot of video of this incident out there, what efforts are being made to obtain it?

The video shows criminal activity by several bikers. Why aren't they being pursued?

9:29 pm October 3, 2013

Oleg wrote:

Another good reason to push for concealed carry in NYC. I bet you something like that would not have happened in Texas. We all need to carry guns in order to withstand to those thugs like in the video

10:47 pm October 3, 2013

Lien_did_a_public_service wrote:

'Would their attitude be different if skin colors were switched?'

Citywide manhunt for every last biker, and charges to put them in prison for many years, obviously.

2:00 am October 4, 2013

Jay wrote:

@Oleg can you elaborate how exactly conceal carry law would help Mr. Lien in this situation? Those thugs would be more likely to carry firearms (well they already carry knives) than he would, adding to the fact he was outnumbered. Thank god it wasn't the case or else it would be a much worse tragedy than it already was. Maybe all the shooting incidents happened in the concealed-carry states not enough for you?

7:16 pm October 4, 2013

Lien is a criminal wrote:

Lien should be arrested for assault. He panicked and rather than just pull over he ran over someone trying to help someone he already hit. - textbook definition of "hit and run"

7:47 pm October 4, 2013

Whatever wrote:

I love how because you get beat down after the fact, it's suddenly okay to hit-and-run. If I flee the scene of an accident, then run over a bunch of people in doing so, I'll be sure to know that I will be absolved of all my crimes because "scumbags" deserved to get run over. Be sure to keep this in mind when I plow over a few of you.

7:53 pm October 4, 2013

Cynics Aren't Cute wrote:

@NO - Yes, the NYPD was so blase, that in less than 24 hours they have already identified six of the people alleged to be involved, including the man who is alleged to have smashed the SUV window and grabbed the driver out. If only cops were so "blase" about rape and other violent crimes.

10:06 pm October 4, 2013

Katelyn wrote:

Thumbs up for Lien! He did what he can do the best under that situation. Don't wait after your family and kids were killed and then regret!

10:43 pm October 4, 2013

THUMPS UP LIEN. wrote:

CLEARLY MS LIEN IS INNOCENT.
IF THEY WANT TO GO ON ROAD TRIPS LIKE LITTLE KINDER GARDEN KIDS THE LEAST YOU CAN DO IS FOLLOW THE LAW AND ACT LIKE GROWN UPS.

10:58 pm October 4, 2013

bikki wrote:

Mr. Lien did what was best in that situation...Imagine being cornered by so many motorcyclists who were trying to do God knows what...maybe kill him? Motorcyclists must be banned from driving on public roads and highways. They are truly a nuisance on the road and they are so threatening to other people's lives. They should be given a small lot like a skate park or something to do their "business". I hope Mr. Lien is freed of all this and hope there are stricter laws that make the world a more peaceful and safe place to live.

11:00 pm October 4, 2013

fellow biker wrote:

if lien had got out of his car and talked to the biker after the first incident none of this would have happened. bikers are people to and they wouldn't have damaged his car if he didn't try to run away. I mean think about it if someone hits your car and drives away your not just gonna sit there and feel calm about it especially when bikes cost more than cars. lien should have to go to court just like all the other hit and run drivers.

12:21 am October 5, 2013

Peter wrote:

I hope the biker dies.

1:08 am October 5, 2013

fellow driver wrote:

This is not a good time to get out of the car and talk to the bikers for Lien because according to a trucker, the bikers are always there driving in groups, like to choose the cars with families in it and give them brake checks. Once they mildly hit the cars, they mob the vehicle, demanding money and/or begin attacking the people inside. They will also slash the tires of the vehicle to prevent it from escaping.
How civilized is this place?!

4:29 am October 5, 2013

guest wrote:

What did he expect standing in front of a suv on an expreesway?

11:32 am October 5, 2013

Bob H wrote:

Thugs and criminals like to single out Asians/Orientals because they suspect they will offer little resistance. Did the bikers single out the Liens to bully and harass for this reason? This may also be a bias crime. I hope these thugs spend a good deal of their time in court, paying attorneys, and going to prison.

3:51 pm October 5, 2013

Sue wrote:

OBVIOUSLY, cannot be more clear that, he was trying to run away from the MOB!!!! Who is at fault ?!?!?!?!?!?! NOT ONE SECOND IN MY HEAD THAT IT WAS THE MOB!!! COULD THEY HAVE TAKEN DOWN THE LICENSE PLATE OF THE SUV AND CALL THE COPS AND LET THE COPS DEAL WITH LIEN?!?!?!?!?!???????? WHICH PART DON'T THEY UNDERSTAND?!?!?!?!? What made the mob has to chase down Lien?!?!?!?! They had all the time in the world to just write down the plate number of the vehicle and go after the driver LEGALLY. Instead, they took the whole matter into their own wrong hands. Now tell me who's at fault !!!!!!!!

5:36 pm October 5, 2013

Don wrote:

Sue,

There were 6 off duty NYPD cops in the biker pack. No need to call 911 over 200 times.
There is a picture of the guy who got run over by the SUV wearing a hat with "KINGS".
If the KINGS + a lions head is marked, then that's the LATIN KINGS GANG sign.

11:32 pm October 5, 2013

DM wrote:

A big sucked in to the guy who was paralysed. Unfortunately I heard he 'might' walk again. We'll all be praying hard that this is not the case.

Do you think the off duty policemen had lots of wee-wees in their pants when they were too scared to do their job?

10:26 am October 6, 2013

Jay wrote:

First of all, they were trying to block off a section of a public high way so they can perform tricks, no permits, no notice, nothing. As if traffic isn't bad enough normally.

Secondly, many of the bikes involved did not have plates. Some of the riders, including the one that got his spine snapped, were not licensed. Insurance? Forgettaboutit.

Third, they didn't have enough sense to know that every time you use a motorcycle to brake check an SUV, the motorcycle ends up losing. As if brake checking anyone in anything isn't enough of an dbagy thing to do.

Lastly, if there were fifty bikers and they started beating on your vehicle and slashing your tires, there is every reason to think they mean you harm. And since it's 50 to 1, it's not going to be much of a fight once you got out of your vehicle. I would have used the SUV to mow as many of them down as possible as that was the only weapon he could use for self defense at the time.

I don't care if it's one or 50, the next time I see a motorcycle driving like they own the road, I’m going to swerve right into them and let the insurance company sort it out.

12:21 am October 8, 2013

Afraid to use it wrote:

Motorcycles definitely seem to attract the wrong kind of people. Many years ago in high school, a patrol policeman told us that. He certainly seems to have that right.

7:25 am October 8, 2013

Mad as hell wrote:

Incidences like this are the reason "Stand Your Ground" laws were passed. People are sick and tired of thugs like these being treated as the victims when they reap the rewards of their behavior because a person just defended themselves.
As for the injured biker, I feel sorry for him, but he has no one to blame but himself. You play with the hogs, you get covered in mud. He has no one to blame but himself and his fellow thugs. Had it been one biker, that is one thing, but 10+, that is disparity of force and the SUV driver had a right to do whatever was necessary including running over all of them.

8:51 am October 8, 2013

ain't skeered wrote:

If new Yorkers weren't scared of guns, this would not be as likely to happen. That douchebag that got paralyzed got what he deserved. To bad more of 'em could not have been taken out once the tires were slashed. All douchebags. That undercover cop has no business with a badge. What happened to protect and serve?

8:59 am October 8, 2013

@Jay wrote:

Those bikers all probably had guns as well as knives. That is how the criminal mind works. They don't obey laws. The law is only for the lawful. At least if Lien had a gun, he might have gotten away. Problem is that many people who own a gun have never trained to use their gun in an effective and safe manner. Yes, guns can be used in a safe manner, just like any other weapon.

9:30 pm October 8, 2013

aaa wrote:

That douchebag that got paralyzed got what he deserved

8:24 am October 9, 2013

darci wrote:

Paralyzed?! The guy feiens did that....Choose your friend, Thanks GOD, that gangs this time, didn't has gun, if has all the Family now was in a Cemetery.....

6:02 am October 10, 2013

Biker tards wrote:

He should have mowed every last one down, then gone back over and over till there bodies were just one big flat flesh pancake. That cop who smashed the window should lose his job too. that menzee faggot got what he deserved, hes a "aspiring rapper" faggot who can't move out of the way of a car more like it, anyone know which hospital the guys at?

2:16 pm October 27, 2013

Frank wrote:

Only two? There are over twenty bikers there. Every single one of them--the paralyzed asshole included--should be in prison.

11:36 pm January 14, 2014

ae em wrote:

The arrest of felony suspect at 178th is shocking to many. A non-violent arrest attempt was made on exit ramp 14 witnessed by 5 cars, including whit Toyota station wagon. No violence prior to 178th street stop can be determined form the video footage. The claims of wife Ng of being in grave danger does not have supporting video footage.

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