However, what I'd like to know is did Bundleman supposedly leave from this route?

And how was this entrance blinds/door found when Kate Mc went to check and found Madeleine missing?

From experience of carrying my daughter in the way that bundleman supposedly did, I can barely manage to turn the light switch off let alone open doors or fiddle with curtains. Its extremely difficult to do anything with your hands in that position. But maybe that's just me.

This topic just serves to prove that the 'evidence' and witness statements are seriously flawed. The Tapas 7 weren't in on the real story at all imo, they must initially have been told what to say. All the shutters were closed would highlight the one shutter that wasn't. Until it became clear that didn't work. RM clearly forgot what lie she had to tell, I think she is the only one to be so specific about the patio doors.I'd have to check, but I think the patio doors all opened on the 4th or the 5th of May, before that they were closed.Dr. Roberts has written about this in 'Early Doors' (see McCannfiles.com).

Not only does abductor battle with closed curtains on his way in, he also closes them on his way out. Oh and he also closes the two gates and the patio doors. You would think he had all the time in the world.

However, what I'd like to know is did Bundleman supposedly leave from this route?

And how was this entrance blinds/door found when Kate Mc went to check and found Madeleine missing?

From experience of carrying my daughter in the way that bundleman supposedly did, I can barely manage to turn the light switch off let alone open doors or fiddle with curtains. Its extremely difficult to do anything with your hands in that position. But maybe that's just me.

This topic just serves to prove that the 'evidence' and witness statements are seriously flawed. The Tapas 7 weren't in on the real story at all imo, they must initially have been told what to say. All the shutters were closed would highlight the one shutter that wasn't. Until it became clear that didn't work. RM clearly forgot what lie she had to tell, I think she is the only one to be so specific about the patio doors.I'd have to check, but I think the patio doors all opened on the 4th or the 5th of May, before that they were closed.Dr. Roberts has written about this in 'Early Doors' (see McCannfiles.com).

Not only does abductor battle with closed curtains on his way in, he also closes them on his way out. Oh and he also closes the two gates and the patio doors. You would think he had all the time in the world.

So far they seem to have been producing 'evidence' of Kate and the twins' suffering. Unless Michael Wright was presenting Gerry's case with his 'Gerry couldn't go on', then presumably we will have another 'professional' to give evidence of Gerry's depression etc. Very dodgy ground as Gerry is a practising National Health doctor, and I doubt his patients (or employers) want to hear their cardiologist is very unstable.

This is almost too painful to watch, and I am amazed they haven't yet thrown in the towel.

@tigger wrote:Rachel Mampily stated in her interview (can't remember if it was the PJ or the RI) that the]b] shutters[/b] of the patio doors were closed.

***Que?Do you have a link, please?TA

PJ processos V pages 1292 - 1296 15/5/07

The window shutters of the McCann’s apartments were closed. The patio door that they used to enter the apartment also had its shutter closed. In order to enter they had to raise the shutter.

At about 21.00 they were all seated at the restaurant. At 21.05 Gerry went to check on his children and returned minutes later. Jane also went to heck on her children before returning.

Bumping this thread as never realised that Rachel and others had to lift the shutters on the patio doors to enter the apartment?

There were no shutters?

Did she mean curtains?Or was it a slip of the tongue?

Well done spotting that in the statements. If there were shutters and they were down that would make it impossible for this silly 'wandered off' theory that is doing the rounds. It would also make it extremely unlikely anyone else had gone through the patio door.

here's a photo of the ocean club apartments showing what appear to be shutters on patio doors, the same as those on the windows.

Here's one of the outside of 5A and what appear to be the same kind of shutters at the top.

@Verdi and @ChippyM Thanks to both of you for the clarification. Indeed, they DO look like shutters which makes it even more remarkable for Madeleine to have left the apartment all by her lonesome, even more so that her mother suggested that they leave the doors unlocked for her to get out, should she wake, and meet them at the Tapas bar. Even more so that an "abductor" could possibly have used them and carried Madeleine from her bedroom, whilst she was sleeping and didn't awake, through the lounge area to the unlocked patio door and manoeuvred with both a child, shutters, curtains before opening the door to leave, then balancing Madeleine in their arms to shut the curtains, shutters and doors before escaping.

Phew! What a task!

Always the window of opportunity , I suppose. Oh wait, nothing jemmied, no evidential DNA from an "abductor".

Never will I understand how this "theory" gained legs!

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The purpose of a shutter is not only to control the interior temperature but as security. They are operated from the interior, you can't open or close from the exterior, any more than you can a window - the mere notion is ridiculous. If there story is to be believe, the patio widow/door shutter would have been left open to facilitate the parents and their friends checking the children via the open patio door.

What is clear is that the McCanns and their friends needed an opportunist abductor to explain Madeleine's disappearance. They kicked off by claiming the shutter to the children's bedroom had been jemmied open and the window was open - according to Kate McCann and her swooshing curtain tale. This ripping yarn they spread far and wide via their friends and family and contacts back at Blighty.

There was no evidence of forced entry into apartment 5a so they had to invent another version - the unlocked patio door! Why Kate McCann continues to this day cultivating the open shutter/window swooshing curtain nonsense is another matter altogether. Either she's been set up as the sacrificial lamb or it's a cunning plan for the future when their defence can claim diminished responsibility, should the proverbial hit the fan, or she really is mentally unstable so is allowed to ramble on without restraint.

The whole story is such nonsense it's not even worthy of attention. I've known parents to leave their children in a hotel room whilst they go to dinner for an hour or so and I've known parents who use a night childcare service whist they go off for a bit of adult time. Never ever have I come across a parent that would leave three children under the age of four years, alone at night in a strange environment, an apartment with an unlocked door! You wouldn't do it at home let alone on holiday!

For security of your precious children and your personal belongings, you would shut/lock the patio door, lower the shutter, check all windows are closed and shutters down throughout the apartment and you would leave by the main door and lock it!

Geeez!

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@Verdi wrote:The purpose of a shutter is not only to control the interior temperature but as security. They are operated from the interior, you can't open or close from the exterior, any more than you can a window - the mere notion is ridiculous. If there story is to be believe, the patio widow/door shutter would have been left open to facilitate the parents and their friends checking the children via the open patio door.

What is clear is that the McCanns and their friends needed an opportunist abductor to explain Madeleine's disappearance. They kicked off by claiming the shutter to the children's bedroom had been jemmied open and the window was open - according to Kate McCann and her swooshing curtain tale. This ripping yarn they spread far and wide via their friends and family and contacts back at Blighty.

There was no evidence of forced entry into apartment 5a so they had to invent another version - the unlocked patio door! Why Kate McCann continues to this day cultivating the open shutter/window swooshing curtain nonsense is another matter altogether. Either she's been set up as the sacrificial lamb or it's a cunning plan for the future when their defence can claim diminished responsibility, should the proverbial hit the fan, or she really is mentally unstable so is allowed to ramble on without restraint.

The whole story is such nonsense it's not even worthy of attention. I've known parents to leave their children in a hotel room whilst they go to dinner for an hour or so and I've known parents who use a night childcare service whist they go off for a bit of adult time. Never ever have I come across a parent that would leave three children under the age of four years, alone at night in a strange environment, an apartment with an unlocked door! You wouldn't do it at home let alone on holiday!

For security of your precious children and your personal belongings, you would shut/lock the patio door, lower the shutter, check all windows are closed and shutters down throughout the apartment and you would leave by the main door and lock it!

Geeez!

True @Verdi, but obviously it was worthy of the Mets review remit of "abduction"

But it seems the Met didn't even notice that the shutters, curtains and door would prove difficult to manage carrying a three year old child, leaving no DNA and being oh so quiet as Bjork would sing whether they be pock man, crecheman, charity collectors or a bungled burglar!

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@tigger wrote:Rachel Mampily stated in her interview (can't remember if it was the PJ or the RI) that the]b] shutters[/b] of the patio doors were closed.

***Que?Do you have a link, please?TA

PJ processos V pages 1292 - 1296 15/5/07

The window shutters of the McCann’s apartments were closed. The patio door that they used to enter the apartment also had its shutter closed. In order to enter they had to raise the shutter.

At about 21.00 they were all seated at the restaurant. At 21.05 Gerry went to check on his children and returned minutes later. Jane also went to heck on her children before returning.

Bumping this thread as never realised that Rachel and others had to lift the shutters on the patio doors to enter the apartment?

There were no shutters?

Did she mean curtains?Or was it a slip of the tongue

Gerry broke the shutter mechanism to the door/window in their bedroom.

Yes apparently he did, didn't he? This was about shutters on the patio doors in the lounge area, which was ascertained they probably are as seen in the previous threads. I was confused and thought they were simply blinds.

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Eddie and Keela alerted to items and places concerned with the McCanns - and importantly to no other items or places.

According to Eddie and Keela, the body of Madeleine McCann lay lifeless behind the sofa in Apartment 5a, clinging to the only thing from which she could derive any comfort; a soft toy called 'Cuddle cat'.

Kate's book 'madeleine', Page 219: "Did they really believe that a dog could smell the 'odour of death' three months later from a body that had been so swiftly removed?"

After forensic analysis of the 'Last Photo' there is little doubt now that the pool photo CANNOT POSSIBLY have been taken on the Thursday 3rd May, but most likely on the Sunday 29th April. So, where was Madeleine at lunchtime on Thursday?

John McCann:"This was terrible for them, Kate dressed Amelie in her sister's pyjamas and the baby said: "Maddy's jammies, where is Maddy?"Martin Roberts:"If Madeleine's pyjamas had not, in fact, been abducted then neither had Madeleine McCann."Dr Martin Roberts: A Nightwear Job

Death Toll in McCann Case

Gerry McCann called for an example to be made of 'trolls'. SKY reporter Martin Brunt doorstepped Brenda Leyland on 2 October 2014 after a 'Dossier' was handed in to Police by McCann supporters. She was then found dead in a Leicester hotel room the next day. Brenda paid the price.

Colin Shalke died suddenly in mysterious circumstances with a significant amount of morphine in his system. At the Inquest the coroner said there was no evidence as to how he had come to take morphine, and no needle mark was found.

Ex-Met DCI Andy Redwood had a "revelation moment" on BBC1's Crimewatch on 14th October 2013 when he announced that Operation Grange had eliminated the Tanner sighting - which opened up the 'window' of opportunity' from 3 mins to 45 mins, in accordance with their remit, to allow the staged abduction to happen.

Dr Gonçalo Amaral, retired PJ Coordinator: "The English can always present the conclusions to which they themselves arrived in 2007. Because they know, they have the evidence of what happened, they don't need to investigate anything. When MI5 opens their files, then we will know the truth."

Tracey Kandohla: "A McCann pal told The Sun Online: "Some of the savings have been siphoned off from the Find Maddie Fund into a fixed asset account, which financial experts have advised them to do. It can be used for purchases like buying a house or building equipment."

The McCanns, Operation Grange and the BBC are all working towards one goal - to make us keep looking at what happened (or didn't happen) on 3rd May, instead of looking at what happened days earlier. There is NO evidence of an abduction. Smithman is ALL they have got. Without that, they are sunk. No wonder Operation Grange clings on to Smithman...