Palmer having career-year, validating trade that brought him to Oakland

For whatever reason, Carson Palmer hasn’t been able to win over the Raiders fan base since his arrival here a year ago.
Strange, too, given Palmer bailed out the Raiders from a tough situation when then-starter Jason Campbell suffered a season-ending collarbone injury and how well he has played this season.
Palmer is on pace for 4,619 yards passing this season, which would eclipse his career-high by almost 500 yards. He passed for more than 4,000 yards twice in his eight seasons with the Cincinnati Bengals — he didn’t play his rookie season — but he hasn’t reached that mark in five seasons.
Some people feel as if then-coach Hue Jackson gave up too much to wrest Palmer from the Bengals. The deal just before the 2011 trade deadline cost the Raiders their first-round pick in this year’s draft, as well as their second-rounder in 2013.
Yet, they tend to overlook the fact that the Raiders weren’t going anywhere with Kyle Boller as the replacement for Campbell. They had to make a drastic move, and such moves come with a heavy price sometimes.
Palmer relieved Boller in the seventh game last season, a touch past halftime of a blowout loss at the Coliseum. He started the final nine games.
Therefore, Palmer has played in the equivalent of an entire season since he joined the Raiders. In those 16 games, Palmer has completed 347 of 569 passes (61 percent) for 4,485 yards, with 20 TDs and 20 interceptions.
It says here, Palmer unquestionably is the best quarterback the Raiders have had since Rich Gannon cobbled together four straight remarkable seasons from 1999-2002.
Palmer is signed through the 2016 season. He turns 33 late this season, yet he is playing as well, or better, than he did during his prime.
Coach Dennis Allen time and again makes it clear that he is firmly behind Palmer. For example, Allen praised Palmer for the way he accepted blame for the Raiders loss to the Atlanta Falcons.
“That’s the type of quarterback you want; a guy that’s going to step up and take responsibility and not look to pass the buck on anybody else,” Allen said. “Carson has played extremely well for us. He’s a stand-up guy, and that’s one of the reasons that I’m glad he’s our quarterback.”

— Wide receiver Juron Criner (hip), defensive end Matt Shaughnessy (shoulder) and safety Mike Mitchell (ankle) suffered injuries in practice today. All three were limited as a result.
Allen said he is unsure whether any of the injuries is serious enough to cause the players to miss much time.
“We’ll have to get in here with the trainers and see where we’re at,” Allen said.
Shaughnessy missed most of last season with a shoulder injury that required surgery. Allen said he doesn’t know yet whether Shaughnessy injured the same shoulder.

— The Raiders released No. 1 cornerback Stanford Routt during the offseason, sending him packing with a satchel full of guaranteed money and a thanks for six seasons’ service.
Routt landed with the Chiefs, where he is paired with Brandon Flowers as the starting cornerbacks. As to how well Routt is faring, here’s coach Romeo Crennel’s take:
“Stanford has been learning our system, and he has been coming on,” Crennel said in a conference call. “He has an interception. He had a rough outing the last time. He was in position to make plays, and we didn’t make them. The opponent made them. Otherwise, he has been working well.”
The Raiders signed veterans Ron Bartell and Shawntae Spencer to help fill the void created by Routt’s departure. Bartell suffered a shoulder injury in the first game, Spencer hurt his foot in the second game. Neither has played ever since.
Routt allowed 47.4 percent of the passes thrown his way to be completed last season. This season, that figures has spiked to 58.1 percent, according to STATS Inc. Teams completed 18 of 31 passes for 328 yards and one touchdown vs. Routt the first six games. By comparison, former Raiders cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha has allowed 16 receptions in 31 passes for 318 an two touchdowns in six games for the Eagles this season.

Safety Mike Mitchell, whose locker was next to Routt’s, enjoyed giving his former teammate a bad time from afar. Mitchell said he texts with Routt often, but not this week. Asked if he thought Palmer would target Routt and try and get some penalty yards, Mitchell said, “I wish he would. I wish we would run at him every play and throw at him every play, just so he has to work. Let’s make him work. Let’s make it hard on him, let’s not make it easy on him. I feel that’s how he would want it and it’s definitely how we want it. We want to make him compete.”

Mitchell also relayed a story told by Routt after he’d been released and signed by the rival Kansas City Chiefs.

“He told me, I’m not mad, I’m getting paid by half the AFC West,” Mitchell said. “My whole thing, I just want to make him earn his money. I want to run at him every play, I want to throw at him every play. Make him earn that money.”

— The Raiders faced the Jaguars coming off a bye week. On Sunday, they face a Chiefs team that also is fresh from a bye.
The Jaguars surprised the Raiders by installing several defensive looks during the extra time to prepare. Those changes caused the Raiders fit in terms of running the ball and protecting Palmer.
Crennel said he and his coaches spent their time focusing more on ways to get more production from a team that went 1-5 before the bye.
“I wanted to work on us and kind of get through us, improve this game,” Crennel said. “So, we worked on fundamentals and the things that we need to do to try to be better in all phases of the game.”
Allen said facing teams coming off a bye presents some challenges for the Raiders in terms of playing a team that is fresh and has had an extra week to game plan for the Raiders.
“We all understand what they’re going through because we just went through the same things a couple of weeks ago,” Allen said. “So, we know that they’re going to come out ready to play, they’ll be emotionally, physically and mentally ready to play, and we’ve got to be ready to meet that challenge.”

— In a strange coincidence, Raiders running back Darren McFadden is playing against the Chiefs in the seventh game of the season. That’s the same opponent and game number in which McFadden suffered a Lisfranc injury that sidelined him for the final nine-plus games.
McFadden rushed twice for 4 yards against the Chiefs last season in a game played at the Coliseum before he suffered his injury. He missed the rest of the season.
Also of note, McFadden suffered the first of his two turf-toe injuries his rookie season against the Chiefs at Arrowhead Stadium, when he was dragged down from behind by safety Bernard Pollard at the end of a long run.
Good thing the game isn’t played on Halloween this year.

— The three previous Raiders coaches went undefeated against the Chiefs at Arrowhead Stadium. Now it’s Allen’s turn to see if he can keep the streak going.
Two of Lane Kiffin’s five victories in 20 games as the Raiders head coach came against the Chiefs on the road. Tom Cable guided the Raiders to two straight victories there, as well. Hue Jackson went 1-0 at Arrowhead Stadium in his lone season as coach.

— Allen said he is impressed by the way defensive end Lamarr Houston has played. Houston was named AFC Defensive Player of the Week for his play against the Jaguars on Sunday.
“I’m extremely proud of him and the way that he’s played,” Allen said. “He’s a guy that has continued to get better, that’s really bought into the effort part playing defense. If he continues to do the things that he’s been doing, his talent will allow him to be a productive player.”
Allen said Houston is the kind of player that can play inside and outside, but he doesn’t want to limit him to one position. He views Houston as a player that can make plays from anywhere on the field and someone determined to make an impact every play.

— A couple of things wrong with the idea of going no-huddle all the time, in theory putting the game in the hands of Palmer and bypassing offensive coordiantor Greg Knapp.

First, Palmer says it won’t work. Second, Palmer said Knapp calls most of the plays in the no-huddle.

“If that’s all you’re going to come into the game with you completely limit yourself, from personnel groups, to formations, to protections, in the red zone, on third down, (when you’re) backed up,’’ Palmer said. “It’s not feasible. It’s a good change-up. It gets us out of a rut every once in awhile . . . it’s not something you can run all the time.’’

While Palmer has more latitude to change plays at the line of scrimmage in the no-huddle based on what he sees from the defense, he disputes the notion that the system turns him into a play-caller.

“A lot of times in no-huddle coach Knapp’s calling the plays,’’ Palmer said. “The majority of the time.’’

Steve Corkran

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Please don’t take this personally, but this is exactly what the dumb fan does. The team is not performing so it MUST be the Q. Or the coach. The more enlighted fan might say, jeez, he has a revolving door at receiver, or how does a veteran MLB play every down in a game and have no tackles, or every position on the Oline is new, or why is the thoroughbred running back sucking like lil biachi on his gay lover when the backup is playing better? I mean you could ask those questions, or you can just blame the Q and the head coach.
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Sounds like excuse making for your point of view. But, you can be as insulting as you want. That’s all you got.

31% conversion rate on 3rd down. Ineffective in the Red Zone, doesn’t sound like a career year for a QB.

Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

inonewordraider Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:38 am

Mistic here’s another one, if it’s all about wins and losses then that means Matt Barkley>Geno Smith correct?

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I am discussing this article, no playoffs no validation cut and dry.

geno smith matt barkley, newton, jfk, jesus christ, kermit the frog or whom ever else you want to discuss have nothing to do with it.

what a weirdo

The Big Banana

Please don’t take this personally, but this is exactly what the dumb fan does. The team is not performing so it MUST be the Q

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Exactly. Been saying this for awhile now. Simpleton approach to just default blame on the QB and disregard everything else. Simple fan needs someone to blame. Why not the most prominent player on the team so he can stop thinking about it and get back to his beer?

DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL

EVERYONE DESERVES A RING EVERY 60 YEARS OR SO.EXECPT THE CUBS I GUESS.HELL,EVEN THE RED SOX FINALLY GOT A COUPLE..

RaiderDanny

I want more Ausberry!!

Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure

Just Fire Baby Says: This might be the first year in awhile an 8-8 makes a wildcard. 9-7 for sure.============

Palmer needs to back up his stat line with wins. Then Raider fans will embrace him as our QB.
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Actually I don’t believe that. Raider fan makes the cardinal mistake of falling in love with some players and falling in hate with others. Makes no difference what they do on the field, just the way it is. Raider fan LOVED guys like McGlockton, Jerry Porter and Darrell Russell yet hated guys like Lincoln Kennedy, Richard Seymour, Tommy kelly and Samson Satele. It boggles the mind really…

hwnrdr

Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:46 am
Just Fire Baby Says: This might be the first year in awhile an 8-8 makes a wildcard. 9-7 for sure.============

Didn’t the Seahags go in at 7-9?

Yup, and upset the Saints!

hwnrdr

Jerry Porter…hmmm, the lasting impression for me was that middle finger he gave to the Black hole…I knew he was gone then…

Dakota

Raider E Says:

I would take Eli over ANY other QB in the league.
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Palmer playing on those Giants’ teams might have won two SBs as well.

Eli still can’t hold his brother’s jock in terms of his passing abilities.

RaiderDanny

I want MOORE, gimme MOORE, i want MOORE! The truth is here! The truth is here!

Just Fire Baby

the article should have said that palmer is having a career yardage year.

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So now we don’t value passing yards as much?

What happened, I though EVERYONE was looking up at Cam Newton for his rookie year, due to his passing yards?

You didn’t seem to value passing TD’s or W-L record when making those evaulations.

Fraud

Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

I dont know what matt cassel has to do with anything.

Why was palmer brought to oakland?
there is only one reason and there is no way around that reason. no other qb on any other team has anything to do with it.

Only the palmer deal, hurt our draft status, and put us over the barrell financially.

Hujack went all in and it flopped, and it continues to flop today.

excuses are for losers.

Just Fire Baby

Didn’t the Seahags go in at 7-9?

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Wildcard, people, wildcard.

There is a 8-8, 7-9 division winner almost every year.

Rarely ever in the WC.

morilla

KoolKell Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:45 am
31% conversion rate on 3rd down. Ineffective in the Red Zone, doesn’t sound like a career year for a QB.
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That has nothing to do with CP. Blame the play calling on that stat. We all see it with our own eyes.

Raider E

This from a Cincy fan in the comments section of Mistic’s link. BTW, the article mentions Mistic’s validation obssession, but also the feeling that Carson is a GOOD QB, like most fans on here agree.
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This has to treated differently, I’m a lifelong Bengals tortured fan – if I was him I would have “quit” sooner and told Mike Brown to shove it because all the Bengals are is a circus – sad but true because they are some of the best fans in sports …more

hwnrdr

Just Fire Baby Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:50 am
Didn’t the Seahags go in at 7-9?

When an offense is converting 31% of 3rd downs, is 2-4, don’t know how you can say the QB is playing exceptionally well…..or anything of that nature.

But, I blame Knapp mostly.
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Please don’t take this personally, but this is exactly what the dumb fan does. The team is not performing so it MUST be the Q. Or the coach. The more enlighted fan might say, jeez, he has a revolving door at receiver, or how does a veteran MLB play every down in a game and have no tackles, or every position on the Oline is new, or why is the thoroughbred running back sucking like lil biachi on his gay lover when the backup is playing better? I mean you could ask those questions, or you can just blame the Q and the head coach.

Please don’t take this personally, but this is exactly what the dumb fan does. The team is not performing so it MUST be the Q. Or the coach. The more enlighted fan might say, jeez, he has a revolving door at receiver, or how does a veteran MLB play every down in a game and have no tackles, or every position on the Oline is new, or why is the thoroughbred running back sucking like lil biachi on his gay lover when the backup is playing better? I mean you could ask those questions, or you can just blame the Q and the head coach.
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Sounds like excuse making for your point of view. But, you can be as insulting as you want. That’s all you got.
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No. If we go back through all those 3rd down conversions I will bet there will be 8-12 drops on perfectly thrown balls. Is that Palmers fault? No. Is the play calling to blame? No. Don’t take it personally. I am not being insulting I am just stating the fact. The casual fan doesn’t remember those plays, they just look at stats and rail against the coach and Q until nap time.

DMAC

KoolKell Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:53 am

31% conversion rate on 3rd down. Ineffective in the Red Zone, doesn’t sound like a career year for a QB, or an Elite QB.
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.03% of houses sold in the bay area by Kell doesn’t sound like a career year for a realtor.

RaiderDanny

KNAPP! I will help u! Gimme 8 screens to DMC! 2 reverses DHB and Moore! 2 shallow crosses! 3 bombs 9routs dbl moves!! After that u can run any F-D UP PLAY U GOT!

31% conversion rate on 3rd down. Ineffective in the Red Zone, doesn’t sound like a career year for a QB.
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That has nothing to do with CP. Blame the play calling on that stat. We all see it with our own eyes.
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I just said in Post # 583, that I mostly blame Knapp.

On the other hand, an elite QB can help on 3rd downs and the RedZone, where the Raiders are bad in both categories.

Thec

Game against the ville,

Average was below average in the first half.
Average was above average in the second half.

So the average for Average is average.

mcfadden20.

Thec Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:55 am

Carson Palmer = Average

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If he is average with this Oline and offensive support, then I’ll take it .. this Oline and supporting cast will make all HOF qb’s look average .. just the truth .. quit bagging on him , we all know the guy is the only 1 that is doing something on O

DMAC

Thec
What up dawg?!

Dakota

624.Raider E Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:55 am
Eli still can’t hold his brother’s jock in terms of his passing abilities.

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Eli has a better arm and deep ball. Hands down.

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Jay Schroeder had a better arm and deep ball than Eli….doesn’t make him a better QB.

“If he is average with this Oline and offensive support, then I’ll take it .. this Oline and supporting cast will make all HOF qb’s look average .. just the truth .. quit bagging on him , we all know the guy is the only 1 that is doing something on O”

Palmer needs to back up his stat line with wins. Then Raider fans will embrace him as our QB.
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Actually I don’t believe that. Raider fan makes the cardinal mistake of falling in love with some players and falling in hate with others. Makes no difference what they do on the field, just the way it is. Raider fan LOVED guys like McGlockton, Jerry Porter and Darrell Russell yet hated guys like Lincoln Kennedy, Richard Seymour, Tommy kelly and Samson Satele. It boggles the mind really…

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Bingo again.

I gotta run some errands. Im passing the torch to you Seymore now that you just showed up. I feel the blog is in good hands with you and JFB handing out rational thought.

For a moment there we were all having solid football talk and making progress. Now the trolls are showing up and the sh!tshow will commence. Later guys.

mcfadden20.

mcfadden20. Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:55 am

KoolKell Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:53 am

31% conversion rate on 3rd down. Ineffective in the Red Zone, doesn’t sound like a career year for a QB, or an Elite QB.

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Yah most of those 3rd downs are like 3rd and 10 because on 1 or both first 2 downs.. Mcfadden only gains 1 yard and other play is q stupid call that goes no where.. so go figure

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and forgot to add that O-line he is to stand behind on those 3rd and longs .. so go figure

31% conversion rate on 3rd down. Ineffective in the Red Zone, doesn’t sound like a career year for a QB, or an Elite QB.
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.03% of houses sold in the bay area by Kell doesn’t sound like a career year for a realtor.
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So you have to go stupid? What do you do for a living dumbass?
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LMAO
2 fk’n funny

Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

Just Fire Baby Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:49 am

the article should have said that palmer is having a career yardage year.

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So now we don’t value passing yards as much?

What happened, I though EVERYONE was looking up at Cam Newton for his rookie year, due to his passing yards?

You didn’t seem to value passing TD’s or W-L record when making those evaulations.

Fraud
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Same with you, I am discussing the above article, you counter with newton. laughable.

When a rookie sets all time records for a leauge that is over 90 years old and passes all of the greatest names in history it is a big deal.

A 10 year vet doing what has already been done before by mnay qbs, and failing to back it up with wins simply isnt that impressive. Especially when you consider that palmer is only middle of the pack, and if you look at his total body of work it is down right paltry as a raider.

Palmer needs to back up his stat line with wins. Then Raider fans will embrace him as our QB.
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Actually I don’t believe that. Raider fan makes the cardinal mistake of falling in love with some players and falling in hate with others. Makes no difference what they do on the field, just the way it is. Raider fan LOVED guys like McGlockton, Jerry Porter and Darrell Russell yet hated guys like Lincoln Kennedy, Richard Seymour, Tommy kelly and Samson Satele. It boggles the mind really…

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Bingo again.

I gotta run some errands. Im passing the torch to you Seymore now that you just showed up. I feel the blog is in good hands with you and JFB handing out rational thought.

For a moment there we were all having solid football talk and making progress. Now the trolls are showing up and the sh!tshow will commence. Later guys.

Please don’t take this personally, but this is exactly what the dumb fan does. The team is not performing so it MUST be the Q. Or the coach. The more enlighted fan might say, jeez, he has a revolving door at receiver, or how does a veteran MLB play every down in a game and have no tackles, or every position on the Oline is new, or why is the thoroughbred running back sucking like lil biachi on his gay lover when the backup is playing better? I mean you could ask those questions, or you can just blame the Q and the head coach.
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Sounds like excuse making for your point of view. But, you can be as insulting as you want. That’s all you got.
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No. If we go back through all those 3rd down conversions I will bet there will be 8-12 drops on perfectly thrown balls. Is that Palmers fault? No. Is the play calling to blame? No. Don’t take it personally. I am not being insulting I am just stating the fact. The casual fan doesn’t remember those plays, they just look at stats and rail against the coach and Q until nap time.

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Seymore: 2
KK: 0

morilla

You put Brady, Rodgers or Manning on the Raiders we would still have the same record.

mcfadden20.

Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:59 am

Just Fire Baby Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:49 am

the article should have said that palmer is having a career yardage year.

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So now we don’t value passing yards as much?

What happened, I though EVERYONE was looking up at Cam Newton for his rookie year, due to his passing yards?

You didn’t seem to value passing TD’s or W-L record when making those evaulations.

Fraud
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Same with you, I am discussing the above article, you counter with newton. laughable.

When a rookie sets all time records for a leauge that is over 90 years old and passes all of the greatest names in history it is a big deal.

A 10 year vet doing what has already been done before by mnay qbs, and failing to back it up with wins simply isnt that impressive. Especially when you consider that palmer is only middle of the pack, and if you look at his total body of work it is down right paltry as a raider.

No. If we go back through all those 3rd down conversions I will bet there will be 8-12 drops on perfectly thrown balls. Is that Palmers fault? No. Is the play calling to blame? No. Don’t take it personally. I am not being insulting I am just stating the fact. The casual fan doesn’t remember those plays, they just look at stats and rail against the coach and Q until nap time.
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And you’re a professional fan who remembers every play? an ex GM maybe?