Vinny is the top grappler in the world at his weight. Phil is not even Chris Weidman level BJJ....and that wouldn't matter cause Vinny flying armbarred Weidman in a BJJ match lol

But i wouldnt count him out. For all we know a Belcher/Palhares match could occur I just think davis is being a little underrated is all. I would pick him to win but not by submission. Probably either UD or possible TKO.

Vinny is the top grappler in the world at his weight. Phil is not even Chris Weidman level BJJ....and that wouldn't matter cause Vinny flying armbarred Weidman in a BJJ match lol

Btw whats up with the weidman s---. I think people need to stop. The only top level wins he has are against Maia who he barely OUTSTRUCK and slaughtering a rusty rusty munoz. People need to stop >_> no offense though

I guess :/ i just dont see any "big" achievements. D'arcing Lawlor is pretty good i guess since lawlor is a pretty good grappler. Im not trying to be a picky douche i just think we need to see weidman against top guys to actually make a claim for his so called early greatness.

I guess :/ i just dont see any "big" achievements. D'arcing Lawlor is pretty good i guess since lawlor is a pretty good grappler. Im not trying to be a picky douche i just think we need to see weidman against top guys to actually make a claim for his so called early greatness.

You don't sound like a picky douche, just sound a little uneducated, plus you're just only looking at MMA. I am talking about just BJJ and grappling competition. Weidman made a name for himself on the mats before the cage.

You don't sound like a picky douche, just sound a little uneducated, plus you're just only looking at MMA. I am talking about just BJJ and grappling competition. Weidman made a name for himself on the mats before the cage.

The only thing i see is qualifying for the 2009 ADCC Submission Wrestling World Championship which is pretty impressive for 1 year of formal BJJ training. Also there was the East Coast Grappler's Quest. I'd say he is a pretty good grappler but would you really have him beat guys like palhares or jacare or even shields? For his young age he is good. But elite he is not. I know you never said he was elite but i think overrating weidman isnt good either. I guess it is what it is......cliche i know.. im sorry ( _ _)

The only thing i see is qualifying for the 2009 ADCC Submission Wrestling World Championship which is pretty impressive for 1 year of formal BJJ training. Also there was the East Coast Grappler's Quest. I'd say he is a pretty good grappler but would you really have him beat guys like palhares or jacare or even shields? For his young age he is good. But elite he is not. I know you never said he was elite but i think overrating weidman isnt good either. I guess it is what it is......cliche i know.. im sorry ( _ _)

Look up Andre Galvao first then watch this:

(Weidman had only 6 months of BJJ training in this match, also try and block out the bias of the anouncers. I dont blame them being a Galvao fan as well but it was silly)

I think Davis has good enough top control & is good enough at jiu jitsu to beat Magalhaes. He can take him down at will, land some GnP, get up if he wants & do it all again. Vinny is great at jiu jitsu, but I feel when people talk about this fight they forget that Davis has pretty good jiu jitsu too. It's not as good as Vinny, but he's not exactly Melvin Guillard (sorry BRF).

As for Rockhold vs Belfort, I have no idea who would win that, I can't really remember Rockholds fights particularly well.

Hang on, did i miss something here? As far as i know, Rockhold called out Costa Philippou.
But it feels like i missed something after that. Did he get any feedback or answer from the UFC regarding the Philippou fight?
Because if not, i don't get why he already goes ahead and calls out the next one. Jumping from one callout to the next like that.. that's kinda weird to me.

As for the middleweights, I’m fine with any of the scenarios. I guess it depends on when Spider wants to fight and if he has a problem with any one. If Spider wants to fight as soon as possible, then it is Rockhold. Belfort and Weidman can fight Le and Larkin. If Spider wants to fight late spring/early summer, then Belfort makes since because Lombard fights in early March so given a minimum of 3 months training camp puts him into the summer. And Weidman is out until summer already and after the lay off, will need a warm up match before the other guys.So while JBJ spends this year fighting Sonnen then probably Hendo before he gets to Spider and GSP saying he needs time to build muscle mass etc and wants a warmup fight at MW, also putting him a year before fighting Silva, might as well do this:APRIL-ishSpider vs Rockhold – UFC 159 (co-headline with JBJ-Sonnen). Might as well with Lombard and Weidman tied up or hurt and with Belfort probably needing one more win before a rematch with Spider.Larkin or Kennedy vs Carmont or Philippou UFC-Fuel 9 or the next UFC-FX card (probably in April) Mix and match these four how you'd like. Looking at when they last fought, I'd go Larkin-Carmont, Kennedy-Philippou.Belfort vs Souza (timing would be right for both to be ready at the same time. Switch Souza for whomever you got ranked highest if need be or stick in Le vs Belfort)SUMMERWeidman vs Le (in the summer) (or Lombard/Okami winner if Weidman wants to a stronger test)Lombard (if not Weidman) then top guy available (Souza, Kennedy, Le, Philippou etc.) or Spider....assuming Lombard beats Okami.FALLIf Spider fights in April, then he can fight again in Aug or Sept. So be it against Lombard or Belfort since Weidman wouldn’t be ready if he fights a warmup in early summer.WINTERSpider can fight year-end show/Super Bowl14 vs Weidman or JBJ.Once again, this isn't just looking at what the best fights are but more at timing etc. Obviously a fighter could sit out and wait for a while for a better fight and there's injury etc. but this model prepares for that, like Belfort stepping in for Rockhold in April or Weidman (if no warmup fight), Lombard (if he beats Okami) or Belfort (if he wins one more fight) all capable fighting Spider in the Fall.

Vinny is the top grappler in the world at his weight. Phil is not even Chris Weidman level BJJ....and that wouldn't matter cause Vinny flying armbarred Weidman in a BJJ match lol

Vinny looked terribly gassed at the end of the 1st round in his last fight. If its a 5 rounder against Davis and Vinny has the same gas tank as his last fight, I wouldn't say Davis submitting him is out of the question. Davis has great endurance, great top game and good enough submissions to submit a gassed Vinny. Do i think Davis could submit him in the first 2-3 rounds? Probably not… Do I think it's possible that Davis submits an exhausted Vinny in rds 4-5? Absolutely.

Also, didn't Weidman do pretty damn good against some high level bjj players in the 09' ADCC after very little time training bjj? That is a serious question.

He doesn't have good enough submissions to catch someone of Vinny's caliber(Nor has he shown it against anyone thats even 1/2 as good as Vinny). The more he plays into Vinny's strength the worse it is for Phil