Again, there will be loose cannons of every religion and political class, especially in a society as open as this.

What I'm demonstrating here, of course, are people of a common mind who believe it is their religious duty to kill infidels, namely Western Christians. And I haven't even added what's been going on in Paris, London and Madrid.

So spare me your tired old attempts to compare this to lone, isolated cases like McVeigh and Klebold.

Show me another group that has these many acts of violence on its rap sheet over the course of the last decade, and I'll listen.

Ned Flanders wrote:What I'm demonstrating here, of course, are people of a common mind who believe it is their religious duty to kill infidels, namely Western Christians. And I haven't even added what's been going on in Paris, London and Madrid.

I haven't seen any news reports that provide information that he was on a mission to kill infidels. Maybe he was, but I have not heard of statements made by him, or a note left behind, which he probably would have done to impress the virgins and figs he was bound to get.

C'mon, the dude was a Muslim. Aren't they all ordered by Allah to kill any Christian and/or American anywhere in the world anytime they should encounter them? It totally makes sense, no need for evidence one way or the other.

JMH wrote:Btw, ask an abortion doctor rocking a bulletproof vest and running door to door if he or she can think of any groups of Christians willing to kill in God's name.

Good luck getting Ned to care. I once posted a list of some Christias who've killed in God's name. Ned's only response was that The National Liberation Front of Tripura (the last on a list of eight) sounded like "something from a Marx Brothers movie." 11,000 dead/40,000 left as refugees. Yep - A Night In Tripura sounds hilarious. It could make jokes about forced pornography, kidnappings and bomb making. But that's Ned for you - murder doesn't matter, just stay on message.

Chuck_Schick wrote:How many psychotic shootings do you suppose have been carried out by Christians in such time, Ned, you racist twat?

Have people who've been born Christian committed murder? Sure. Have they done it in the name of Christ? Not many.

A silly take Schick.

Since Ned is perpetually fact-challenged, here is the FBI's take:

"We're working closely with the Salt Lake P.D. and we're obviously aware that that [terrorism] is a potential issue out there," [FBI spokesman Patrick] Kiernan said. "We've not seen anything that this is terrorism or an act against the government."

Wait, are you saying you don't trust the word of a representative of your government, of the federal agency tasked with investigating this crime?

Why do you hate America, girlfriend?

I think there is a lot of PC tip-toeing around this subject which was the original point of this thread.

If I had posted the same decade-long list of mayhem and substituted "white supremacist group", "skinhead" or "neo-nazi" for "Muslim" the media would be in a free-fall of wall to wall panic coverage (and rightfully so).

Ned Flanders wrote:If I had posted the same decade-long list of mayhem and substituted "white supremacist group", "skinhead" or "neo-nazi" for "Muslim" the media would be in a free-fall of wall to wall panic coverage (and rightfully so).

Rightfully so solely because of the message of hate inherently preached by these groups. Hatred is part of the white supremist/ skinhead / neo-nazi mission.

And therein lies the problem, Nedly - Christ, you're so fucking pathetic, you'd fail the ol' Sesame Street "which of things is not like the other?" test.

See, those first three descriptions are of racists. White supremacist = racist. Skinhead = racist. Neo-Nazi = racist. Muslim, on the other hand, (and pay close attention here as we're all getting tired of having to repeat it) DOES NOT equal terrorist. It merely equals Muslim. Just like Christian does not equal closed-minded bigot, it just often works out that way.

And therein lies the problem, Nedly - Christ, you're so fucking pathetic, you'd fail the ol' Sesame Street "which of things is not like the other?" test.

See, those first three descriptions are of racists. White supremacist = racist. Skinhead = racist. Neo-Nazi = racist. Muslim, on the other hand, (and pay close attention here as we're all getting tired of having to repeat it) DOES NOT equal terrorist. It merely equals Muslim. Just like Christian does not equal closed-minded bigot, it just often works out that way.

Thank you great oracle. Now I know you're a bit on the Corky side, so try to follow along: I picked those "groups" because I wanted to demonstrate the difference between how the media would cover acts of terrorism by them vs. the way the media is treating a string of actual acts of terrorism by Muslims. I never said that Muslim = terrorist, but the acts I list have been carried out by Muslims. There is no denying that.

Now again, I realize that you hate Christians and Bush and Haliburton more than the people in the world who would just as soon cut your throat than whittle a stick. More proof that your're intellectually dishonest and that any sense of self preservation has been drained from your rotund, flaccid body (probably caused by a provincial world view, no strong male figures in your childhood and/or an extremely soft life to date).

Wait, are you saying you don't trust the word of a representative of your government, of the federal agency tasked with investigating this crime?

Why do you hate America, girlfriend?

I think there is a lot of PC tip-toeing around this subject which was the original point of this thread.

If I had posted the same decade-long list of mayhem and substituted "white supremacist group", "skinhead" or "neo-nazi" for "Muslim" the media would be in a free-fall of wall to wall panic coverage (and rightfully so).

Ned Flanders wrote:I picked those "groups" because I wanted to demonstrate the the difference between how the media would cover acts of terrorism by them vs. the way the media is treating a string of actual acts of terrorism by Muslims. I never said that Muslim = terrorist, but the acts I list have been carried out by Muslims. There is no denying that.

Except:

Ned Flanders from earlier wrote:Have people who've been born Christian committed murder? Sure. Have they done it in the name of Christ? Not many.

So what's important? The religion of the criminal or the criminal use of that religion?

Ned Flanders wrote:Now again, I realize that you hate Christians and Bush and Haliburton more than the people in the world who would just as soon cut your throat than whittle a stick.

Which people are those, Ned? Criminals? I'm sure the Professor has a very strong dislike for criminals, and an equally strong desire to stay away from the homicidal ones. What are you trying to say here?