This is a discussion on Gus Hansen Accuses Online Poker Rival “SallyWoo” of Using Forbidden Computer Program within the online poker forums, in the Poker News section; http://www.pokernews.com/news/2014/01/gus-hansen-accuses-online-rival-sallywoo-17170.htm
What is the O8 Software Program?

Seems like the cries of a tilted player to me.I have seen more than my fair share of accusations from a player who lost a big hand over the years.It always easier to accuse someone of cheating than it is to admit their own short comings.

#3

February 17th, 2014, 11:51 PM

Quasimodo [172]

Online Poker at: carbon

Game: all

So whats so shocking when Hansen can't run like a Kenyan in the Olympics? I'm sure not giving him props in his accusations.

#4

February 18th, 2014, 12:00 AM

PLAYINBIG [1,379]

Sounded like Gus was on tilt & knows a lot about an 08 program.(what is an 08 program?does it try to read a RNG?)

#5

February 18th, 2014, 12:02 AM

zEric7x [515]

Online Poker at: Black Chip

Game: NL hold em

Originally Posted by PLAYINBIG

...what is an 08 program?does it try to read a RNG?)

That is what I am wondering my self. It almost sounds like something he made up but I don't know.

#6

February 18th, 2014, 5:52 AM

Weissr [835]

Poker at: take ur pick

Originally Posted by zEric7x

That is what I am wondering my self. It almost sounds like something he made up but I don't know.

Nah, I've head it mentioned in a thread somewhere before but no details about what it does.

Its a computer program designed to beat humans in poker. Similar to the AI software designed to beat humans in chess and backgammon. The Association for the Advancement of Artificial Intelligence (AAAI) has a competition every year to create a bot system that can beat the best players in the world. Programs such as "INOT" and its successor "Fell Omen 2" are a few examples of what I believe Gus Hansen is speaking of.

#8

February 18th, 2014, 7:04 AM

Quasimodo [172]

Poker at: carbon

Game: all

Hmmm! So programs exist that take away the sport? ARod cheated and is very wealthy and its possible he'll be able to return to baseball. I'm sure the programs will not be used in the small stakes I play, but where $millions can be made by cheating in a couple day's time I don't see any way it'll be able to be clean. Even a banned known cheater could use a buffer identity. So if you're good at poker, you better play only live action or else only small stakes. Geez!

#9

February 18th, 2014, 10:39 AM

shanest [2,037]

Online Poker at: 888

Game: Holdem

That must be why he's stuck $16m and counting. Them damn machines!!!

#10

February 18th, 2014, 6:38 PM

1luckysob [648]

Poker at: Bovada

Game: holdem

Originally Posted by Quasimodo

So if you're good at poker, you better play only live action or else only small stakes. Geez!

I dont know that its that black and white but i dont think its an impossible thought that a handful of players are using tools such as these. Since the creation of poker people have always tried to cheat the game, this is just a much more advanced way of attempting it, but just as any other way to cheat its not fool proof and there are risks involved.

#11

February 18th, 2014, 9:37 PM

Poker Orifice [18,255]

Game: NLHE

Well considering that they were playing HU Omaha Hi/Lo (aka 'O8').... I think it's safe to say one could assume he's referring to some sort of 'O8' program as in a Omaha Hi/Lo program

#12

February 18th, 2014, 9:56 PM

Makwa [6,076]

Poker at: chinatown

Game: all of em

Originally Posted by Poker Orifice

Well considering that they were playing HU Omaha Hi/Lo (aka 'O8').... I think it's safe to say one could assume he's referring to some sort of 'O8' program as in a Omaha Hi/Lo program

I doubt there is a successful program HU... has not been shown anyway... thats in HE... in O8 is almost unimaginable that a winning bot exists... who the hell plays HU 08 at nosebleed stakes? Who would design and test the program and for what cost? Etc...

#13

February 18th, 2014, 10:10 PM

Poker Orifice [18,255]

Game: NLHE

seemed a little odd that Sallywoo didn't respond to the allegation... but then again seems way more like Gus just bein' tilted & not wanting to accept that he's now a fish in the Highstakes arena. (he does have a huge ego...)

I doubt there is a successful program HU... has not been shown anyway... thats in HE... in O8 is almost unimaginable that a winning bot exists... who the hell plays HU 08 at nosebleed stakes? Who would design and test the program and for what cost? Etc...

I wasn't suggesting that there was. Only made the comment in reference to the 'O8' which seemed to have been considered by others to be the name of some special program or something.

#15

February 19th, 2014, 12:43 AM

ChipEaterMan [389]

Online Poker at: PP PS 888

Game: Holdem

What a loser. What's next? Perhaps he's going to say the site is rigged

#16

February 19th, 2014, 10:50 AM

twan2630 [52]

Poker at: pokerstars

Game: holdem

I also think its account he have is doing some with he is so unlucky every times he play..

#17

February 19th, 2014, 6:02 PM

1luckysob [648]

Online Poker at: Bovada

Game: holdem

Originally Posted by Makwa

I doubt there is a successful program HU... has not been shown anyway... thats in HE... in O8 is almost unimaginable that a winning bot exists... who the hell plays HU 08 at nosebleed stakes? Who would design and test the program and for what cost? Etc...

Actually the firs AI programs were made for HU play, now they are perfecting bot programs for full tables

#18

February 19th, 2014, 6:08 PM

loomis311 [173]

Poker at: lock

Game: holdem

Hansen is not good or just gets really bored at cash games and thus turns into a big loser. He should stick to tournaments.

no matter what the game when it comes to online there's always the posssibilty of ''host booting'' which in simple terms is flooding an ip address that your in contact with using ''bots'' which is a collection of viruses that hackers spread on random peoples comuters through torrent downloads which allows the said hacker too use these bots (peoples computers) to flood the ip address of the victim and the more the hacker has spread them the more bots he has in his arsenal. so in heads up you should only have to ip's yours and the opponents which you can get by using a ip sniffer which is widely available. Whether or not this is known and counteracted by the sites is unknown but i too have been playing heads-up and have had my internet interfered with but i quickly reset my router and rejoined and still won but the moral of the story is that it is possible to do this as it has been happening on xbox live for many years and people have been doing this to close small web sites connection as well and its not the hardest thing to do so its quite common :s

By the way I'm by no means trying to condone this action or trying to scaremonger I'm simply sharing my experience in this pathetic cyber crime

#22

February 23rd, 2014, 12:31 AM

sunburnt2k11 [210]

that is interesting never thought that it would really work but i will have to look more into it.

#23

February 23rd, 2014, 4:46 PM

dmorris68 [6,776]

Online Poker at: Wherever

Game: NLHE

Originally Posted by steffdbird

no matter what the game when it comes to online there's always the posssibilty of ''host booting'' which in simple terms is flooding an ip address that your in contact with using ''bots'' which is a collection of viruses that hackers spread on random peoples comuters through torrent downloads which allows the said hacker too use these bots (peoples computers) to flood the ip address of the victim and the more the hacker has spread them the more bots he has in his arsenal. so in heads up you should only have to ip's yours and the opponents which you can get by using a ip sniffer which is widely available. Whether or not this is known and counteracted by the sites is unknown but i too have been playing heads-up and have had my internet interfered with but i quickly reset my router and rejoined and still won but the moral of the story is that it is possible to do this as it has been happening on xbox live for many years and people have been doing this to close small web sites connection as well and its not the hardest thing to do so its quite common :s

By the way I'm by no means trying to condone this action or trying to scaremonger I'm simply sharing my experience in this pathetic cyber crime

You're describing a Distributed Denial-of-Service (DDoS) attack, which is used to take down a site or render it inoperable, and has absolutely nothing to do with using bots to cheat at poker.

And yeah, O8 in this context is referring to an Omaha 8-or-better game. He's not naming a specific software, he's saying that some kind of O8 AI software is being used. I don't know if any exist as I don't play O8, but I'd be surprised if there were any very good ones just considering the state of HE bots in general. Gus just "runs bad." He plays an extremely aggressive and high variance style in what is already a higher variance game.

#24

March 3rd, 2014, 2:18 AM

shanest [2,037]

Poker at: 888

Game: Holdem

He's put together a few decent days on tilt. Playing a lot of 400/800 PLo as we speak and he seems to be winning a nice bit again. Time for the upswing?

Actually the firs AI programs were made for HU play, now they are perfecting bot programs for full tables

What is the point of this sport if there will be cheaters.....can the poker rooms not take any steps to make sure their player are clean ??

Btw I've seen the movie Runner Runner............is that based on a real story ?

#29

March 31st, 2014, 12:54 AM

shanest [2,037]

Online Poker at: 888

Game: Holdem

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Gus killing it at the moment. Maybe he found his own programme

#30

April 7th, 2014, 10:57 AM

theRaven68 [1,384]

Poker at: available

Game: nl holdem

I have found this
Polaris is a composite program consisting of a number of bots, including Hyperborean08, the winner of the limit equilibrium series in the 2008 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_for_the_Advancement_of_Artificial_Intelligence (AAAI) Computer Poker Competition. Polaris also contains a number of other fixed strategies, and chooses between these strategies during a match.

#31

April 7th, 2014, 11:39 AM

S3mper [7,520]

Online Poker at: any US sites

Game: NL Holdem

Originally Posted by steffdbird

no matter what the game when it comes to online there's always the posssibilty of ''host booting'' which in simple terms is flooding an ip address that your in contact with using ''bots'' which is a collection of viruses that hackers spread on random peoples comuters through torrent downloads which allows the said hacker too use these bots (peoples computers) to flood the ip address of the victim and the more the hacker has spread them the more bots he has in his arsenal. so in heads up you should only have to ip's yours and the opponents which you can get by using a ip sniffer which is widely available. Whether or not this is known and counteracted by the sites is unknown but i too have been playing heads-up and have had my internet interfered with but i quickly reset my router and rejoined and still won but the moral of the story is that it is possible to do this as it has been happening on xbox live for many years and people have been doing this to close small web sites connection as well and its not the hardest thing to do so its quite common :s

By the way I'm by no means trying to condone this action or trying to scaremonger I'm simply sharing my experience in this pathetic cyber crime

I'm going to guess that you are an Xbox Live player and going to assume it's Halo lol

"Host booting" is DDoS(sing) which is illegal (Federal law) I'm not certain about this but I'm going to assume it is much harder to get an IP address off of a poker site like FullTilt poker.. Microsoft (XBL) has terrible security and just gives out players IP addresses..

I always thought the most annoying this about people who would DDoS is they all thought they were some incredible hacker because they downloaded Cain&Abel with Zone Alarm Pro SMH...

anywaysss....

"In the meantime, “SallyWoo” was busy winning $241,300 on Saturday by taking $151,000 from Viktor “Isildur1” Blom at the $2,000/$4,000 FLO8 tables in just 26 hands over 14 minutes and $89,700 from “Sanlker” in 288 hands of $500/$1,000 CAP no limit hold’em."

Where do I get this '08 program? =P

#32

April 19th, 2014, 5:19 AM

Micro Maven [195]

Poker at: N/A

Game: Omaha

What's with everyone ITT acting like a limit game being solved has any relevancy to NL bots? Limit obviously way more mathematical(i.e. solvable) than a non-fl game. Who were any of these 3 accused before O8 became a high roller game? Nobodies... but also LHE players, another game where bots can win.

#33

April 19th, 2014, 6:34 AM

bsam [102]

Online Poker at: ACR

Game: hold em,PLO8

damn thats some dumb stuff it does sound like he's mad just cuz hes been losin. If they are cheating they shouldn't even play its bs if u cant win on ur own.

#34

April 19th, 2014, 12:42 PM

punctual [1,057]

Poker at: bovada

Game: HOLDEM

if he is using a bot or other computer program, i hope they catch him....

Maybe the way to avoid this sort of thing from happening is for online poker companies to require high stakes players to buy a proprietary machine made by the poker company. this proprietary machine would only have the poker client on there and no other programs....the poker site would monitor on a periodic basis whether other programs have been installed and ban those players...

I am for any kind of scheme that can curb cheating.....because as we know, if you CAN cheat in a game, someone out there most likely will!

if he is using a bot or other computer program, i hope they catch him....

Maybe the way to avoid this sort of thing from happening is for online poker companies to require high stakes players to buy a proprietary machine made by the poker company. this proprietary machine would only have the poker client on there and no other programs....the poker site would monitor on a periodic basis whether other programs have been installed and ban those players...

I am for any kind of scheme that can curb cheating.....because as we know, if you CAN cheat in a game, someone out there most likely will!

I disagree, not with the if he is cheating catch him that I obviously agree with that. However their is no evidence he is cheating other then Gus crying which isn't evidence it's a wildly boarder line inappropriate accusation.

As far as not being able to have other software running would be a no, no especially with Poker tracker, and Holdem manager and whatever else..

Also I think it would be a mistake to inconvenient players with downloading something like that, plus I wouldn't want Pokerstars to be monitoring everything I do.. I'll leave that to my government =O

I'll have to take my signature "gotta sacrifice some freedoms because of them thar terrorist" and apply it to this situation (kind of) the non cheaters shouldn't be inconvenienced no matter how small because of the few cheaters out of the many legitimate players.

It's almost an extreme example of taking away my 4th amendment to search me without any evidence simply because their have been some break ins around the neighborhood.