Gee, who was president then? (And, in his credit, this likely took a great deal of time to set up, so was possibly in the works since 2001, and who was president then?)

Yet Obama said he knew nothing about it. he lied. Again it's wrong regardless of who's in office, HOPE and Change, I'll have my AG examine the patriot act and toss out shit that is Unconstitutional! Instead orders more drone strikes than Bush, expands the patriot act.

Instead of BUSH BUSH BUSH like you always do, hold this jackass just as accountable.

Ug.1) I am holding him accountable, unless you mean I need to go down to the White House and drag him out myself, which I'm not doing. In fact, I'm still not convinced that's even necessary2) We don't know he's lying (but he probably is)3) Yes, I mentioned Bush, because you try to pin this just on one President4) But, if you read carefully (you never do) I more blame Clinton

Regardless Beamer, there's a ton of scary shit these politicians are doing, ALL of them, and no one seems to give a shit.

Because people spend too much time talking about what the other party is doing and not enough about what they're all doing. Everyone has this us vs. them with parties.

To paraphrase myself, from this exact thread, they all suck and only care about their own reelection funds. One side very transparently only cares about those most important to those funds (e.g., the very wealthy and the corporations), and the other is less transparent but marginally less focused.

Of course, when some people don't think the interests of the wealthy and the corporations are contrary to the interests of the vast majority of citizens, it hardly matters.

This is a common fallback argument for defeated liberals when they see "their side" is an indefensible failure. Instead of admitting Obama is a joke you say "well everybody sucks...CORPORATIONS!" Pretty soon you will be right back to defending the next mess this government creates until it can't be defended anymore. Then it's "WEALTHY AND CORPORATIONS! BOTH PARTIES!"