The Hutaree militia and the rising risk of far-right violence

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Interesting editorial by Eugene Robinson ........... I like it that he put the word Christian in quotes.

The arrests of members of a Michigan-based "Christian" militia group should convince doubters that there is good reason to worry about right-wing, anti-government extremism -- and potential violence -- in the Age of Obama.

I put the word Christian in quotes because anyone who plots to assassinate law enforcement officers, as a federal indictment alleges members of the Hutaree militia did, is no follower of Christ. According to federal prosecutors, the Hutaree -- the word's not in my dictionary, but its Web site claims it means "Christian warrior" -- are convinced that their enemies include "state and local law enforcement, who are deemed 'foot soldiers' of the federal government, federal law enforcement agencies and employees, participants in the 'New World Order,' and anyone who does not share in the Hutaree's beliefs."

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Eugene Robinson is a left-wing hack. I am not surprised to see you referencing him. Also, since you absolutely refuse to aknowledge any post or thread concerning actual democrat-on-republican violence and threats, I'm writing this off as yet another C.T.Boy flame attempt.

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Eugene Robinson is a left-wing hack. I am not surprised to see you referencing him. Also, since you absolutely refuse to aknowledge any post or thread concerning actual democrat-on-republican violence and threats, I'm writing this off as yet another C.T.Boy flame attempt.

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Try reading the editorial and then, in a rational way, tell us what you disagree with and what you agree with. Your above knee-jerk reaction tells us nothing.

Concerning Democrat on Republican violence, it was only one person. Show me any left wing radio or TV personality who has called for violence or who has called the right b******* as Rush did. I will edit Rush's quote:

‘Defeat’ Democrat ‘B*******,’ ‘Wipe Them Out’

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Show me quotes from left leaning politicians where violence has been advocated.

The party of NO is also becoming the party of advocation of domestic violence.

Show me any Democrat who made violent encouraging comments as Palin did.

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Show me any Democrat who made violent encouraging comments as Palin did.

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Palin is an idiot, but her comment was not inciting violence. She was just spouting off the same old rhetoric she always does.

You want someone that incites violence? How about these?

1991: A Hasidic Jewish driver in Brooklyn's Crown Heights section accidentally kills Gavin Cato, a 7-year-old black child, and antisemitic riots erupt. Sharpton races to pour gasoline on the fire. At Gavin's funeral he rails against the "diamond merchants" -- code for Jews -- with "the blood of innocent babies" on their hands. He mobilizes hundreds of demonstrators to march through the Jewish neighborhood, chanting, "No justice, no peace." A rabbinical student, Yankel Rosenbaum, is surrounded by a mob shouting "Kill the Jews!" and stabbed to death.

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1995: When the United House of Prayer, a large black landlord in Harlem, raises the rent on Freddy's Fashion Mart, Freddy's white Jewish owner is forced to raise the rent on his subtenant, a black-owned music store. A landlord-tenant dispute ensues; Sharpton uses it to incite racial hatred. "We will not stand by," he warns malignantly, "and allow them to move this brother so that some white interloper can expand his business." Sharpton's National Action Network sets up picket lines; customers going into Freddy's are spat on and cursed as "traitors" and "Uncle Toms." Some protesters shout, "Burn down the Jew store!" and simulate striking a match. "We're going to see that this cracker suffers," says Sharpton's colleague Morris Powell. On Dec. 8, one of the protesters bursts into Freddy's, shoots four employees point-blank, then sets the store on fire. Seven employees die in the inferno.

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Try reading the editorial and then, in a rational way, tell us what you disagree with and what you agree with. Your above knee-jerk reaction tells us nothing.

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There is no rational discussion with you.I have tried, but you refuse to cooperate.

Concerning Democrat on Republican violence, it was only one person. Show me any left wing radio or TV personality who has called for violence or who has called the right b******* as Rush did. I will edit Rush's quote:

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Show me quotes from left leaning politicians where violence has been advocated.

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I showed you a quote from John Kerry, just the other day. Here it is again. Challenge met, eh ?

ROFL. You have to go back 4 years to find a quote ... and the quote is not a threat. It is "I could have," not a "I want to," or a I think I will," or "I ought to." One quote and you misquote it. That is rich.

You logic would mean that if I said, "I could have gone to the store," you would hear that I was going to rob the store. Very poor logic there old buddy.

I am amazed you would quote Bill Maher. Yeah, he is so far right-wing. LOL
WOW! Are you a closet Maher supporter, a closet leftist? How often do you watch Maher. He is funny, if you have a sense of humor. In case you did not know, you can watch him at: http://www.billmaher.com/

Now one quote in the last four years is nothing compared to the myriad that has come out of the Republicans and Tea Party people the last week or so.

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ROFL. You have to go back 4 years to find a quote ... and the quote is not a threat. It is "I could have," not a "I want to," or a I think I will," or "I ought to." One quote and you misquote it. That is rich.

You logic would mean that if I said, "I could have gone to the store," you would hear that I was going to rob the store. Very poor logic there old buddy.

I am amazed you would quote Bill Maher. Yeah, he is so far right-wing. LOLWOW! Are you a closet Maher supporter, a closet leftist? How often do you watch Maher. He is funny, if you have a sense of humor. In case you did not know, you can watch him at: http://www.billmaher.com/

Now one quote in the last four years is nothing compared to the myriad that has come out of the Republicans and Tea Party people the last week or so.

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Your partisan hackery stands fine, on it's own, and I need add no more to this discussion.

Maher: You could have went to New Hampshire and killed two birds with one stone.Kerry: Or, I could have gone to 1600 Pennsylvania and killed the real bird with one stone.
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Full transcript of the interview here.
Was John Kerry ever questioned or investigated for making a threat against Bush? No.(Source: National Review.)

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Should he have been? No, not really. He was speaking in hyperbole. But only the most dishonest of us (such as CTB, who is as dishonest a poster as there is) would not admit that had it been a conservative that made the statement, his career in politics would have been over.

On August 4, 2000, when Bush won the Republican nomination (but before he was president), Craig Kilborn on CBS’s The Late Late Show with Craig Kilborn ran a graphic of the words “SNIPERS WANTED” under George Bush as he gave his acceptance speech. Although CBS belatedly apologized five days later, Kilborn was never investigated, questioned or punished, and continued to host the show for four more years.

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Oh, and there's lots more. Care to continue being dishonest, crabby?

In 2009, hundreds of thousands of protestors gathered in Washington, DC for the "tea party" rally:

I don't suppose that Crabby can tell us how many incidents of violence and anti-social behavior were dealt with at the rally. Hey Crabby...just for fun, compare the trouble with this bunch with the trouble caused by some of the leftist crowds that gather. (of course, you won't do this...you assign homework; you're not willing to do your own). And furthermore...we know you won't admit to this, because you're not intellectually honest.

Here's my point: Your gig is up, CTB. We all know how intellectually dishonest you are. You haven't the first shred of credibility. Your opinions here are so ridiculously divorced from reality as to be a source of comedy above all else. Even when you are caught in out-and-out dishonest shenanigans...you respond with re-direction, or refusal to answer questions, or more deception...or (my personal favorite) you disappear (It's amazing how your "trips" seem to be scheduled just about the time you're getting pummelled on a particular thread. And you get back just in time to start another thread...though you never seem to have the time to answer any valid questions).

But stick around. We need the entertainment. Not to mention...it reminds most of us just how right we are, and just how incredibly weak your arguments have become.

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Palin did *NOT* use inflammatory language intended to incite people to violence.

At best, she used metaphors to drive a point home. It's something we all do, all the time. Those that are trying to believe that she is inciting violence are simply trying to restrict her freedom of speech.

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Interesting editorial by Eugene Robinson ........... I like it that he put the word Christian in quotes.

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The arrests of members of a Michigan-based "Christian" militia group should convince doubters that there is good reason to worry about right-wing, anti-government extremism -- and potential violence -- in the Age of Obama.

THIS is the "quote" that should be addressed.

Crab boy, PROVE they are (1) Christian, (2) they are 'right- wing'. (3) They are violent.

Or are you one of those that decides that one is guilty before the trial?

Bumped for Crabby...not that he will respond...here's the possible scenarios:

1. Change the subject (only he is allowed to derail topics);
2. Hand out reading assignments (that's his favorite way to bail out of an arugment he's getting his rump kicked in);
3. We'll hear crickets chirping. I'm frankly amazed at how many threads crabby abandons. It's like a thousand-watt beacon that shouts, "I'm getting pummelled in this discussion. Since I'm losing, I'm gonna bail."

Remember: Crabby got his BVD's in a bunch wanting examples. Well...here you go. It must really stink when someone calls your bluff.

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Interesting editorial by Eugene Robinson ........... I like it that he put the word Christian in quotes.

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What a hypocrite!
Our poster boy validates the association in another title here:http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=65319
Notice that in his title there are no quotation marks to create a question about agreement in the characterization reported in the news.

He wasn't content that another poster had already started a thread on this news.

Sadly..... many folks in this country do not know Christ. Because they don't know him..... what many of them know of him is what they hear on MSM. And, sadly, many who say they are Christian's offer up validity as this poster did in his previous title: Many of the alleged 'far right' are Christians, and Christians who advocate preparedness and awareness are not promoting violence or violent 'solutions'. The same 'far right' are also desiring a return to the good ole' gospel teachings of faith, of morality in our communities and country, of just and reasonable law, of the sanctity of life, of respect for the family unit and its authority, to own - possess- and use one's own private property, and many other conservative values which have much to do with individual responsibility, work ethic, societal behaviors, decency in communications and entertainment, truth and integrity in all matters, charity and compassion, mercy and justice, and respect for all honorable persons regardless of their economic conditions or affluence.

But, here we have those whos idealogy disagrees with the 'far right'. It is so important to these that they are accepted as being 'right' and that their own 'Christianity' is recognized..... that they would discard 'us' (the 'far right') if they could. Well, I got news for you, crabboy.... the same news media that delights in tieing Christianity to terrorism..... doesn't care a whit about your 'Christianity' either. At some point.... if the rest of us would vanish.... you would be the next target..... unless you have convincingly removed the real Christ from your Christianity.

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What a hypocrite!
Our poster boy validates the association in another title here:http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=65319
Notice that in his title there are no quotation marks to create a question about agreement in the characterization reported in the news.

He wasn't content that another poster had already started a thread on this news.

Sadly..... many folks in this country do not know Christ. Because they don't know him..... what many of them know of him is what they hear on MSM. And, sadly, many who say they are Christian's offer up validity as this poster did in his previous title: Many of the alleged 'far right' are Christians, and Christians who advocate preparedness and awareness are not promoting violence or violent 'solutions'. The same 'far right' are also desiring a return to the good ole' gospel teachings of faith, of morality in our communities and country, of just and reasonable law, of the sanctity of life, of respect for the family unit and its authority, to own - possess- and use one's own private property, and many other conservative values which have much to do with individual responsibility, work ethic, societal behaviors, decency in communications and entertainment, truth and integrity in all matters, charity and compassion, mercy and justice, and respect for all honorable persons regardless of their economic conditions or affluence.

But, here we have those whos idealogy disagrees with the 'far right'. It is so important to these that they are accepted as being 'right' and that their own 'Christianity' is recognized..... that they would discard 'us' (the 'far right') if they could. Well, I got news for you, crabboy.... the same news media that delights in tieing Christianity to terrorism..... doesn't care a whit about your 'Christianity' either. At some point.... if the rest of us would vanish.... you would be the next target..... unless you have convincingly removed the real Christ from your Christianity.

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If you look back I never called this militia Christian. The headline in the OP is from the media. I did not make up the headline. I was scolded severely about two years ago for not posting the headline of the magazine article in the OP title. Since then I have, except for a rare exception, copied and pasted the headline from the periodical or newspaper I took the OP quote from. I do not believe they are Christian as the alleged plans are a rejection of what Christ taught on how we should treat others. There are those on the far left that, under different circumstances, would plan the same. Violence, as I have said before, is wrong regardless of whether it comes from the right or the left.

Violence only breeds more violence which only breeds more violence.

The media calls this group Christian because the group says they are Christian. I wish the media would stop calling them Christian.

Christ, during his life on earth, emphasized how we should treat each other. I wish more would take his teachings seriously. If more did, if our government did our history and our world would be very different.

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Sorry, didn't see you post. Was working this morning at the hospital [volunteer] and was at the senior center for exercise after that.

Like I said, I am against violence regardless of where it comes from. It seems the right is more prone to violence currently. That may change in the future. The pendulum swings back and forth.

I have never been a union man. Never worked for a unionized company. But I am also not for unbridled management. Go too far in either direction and there is big trouble.

When I was a kid the steelworkers union and the United Mine Workers could bring the country to a halt. Back then unions had real power. They do not have nearly so much power now.

Before that, during the days of the robber barons the owners and management had too much power and treated workers terribly. Do you remember company stores where part of a workers salary was paid in script that could only be spent at that store? I remember it well.

Then there was the company housing. If you worked for the company you were to live in their housing. If a worker was hurt or killed in the mines the widow and children were thrown out of the housing and given nothing.

There have been far too many abuses from the left and the right, from unions and from management. Both need to be held accountable and regulated, but not stifled. It is a delicate balancing act.

There are people on the extreme right and on the extreme left that seem to find it impossible to believe that if a person does not agree with them totally than they are on the opposite extreme. This is not true. There is a middle. Any political party that strays too far from the center will never win a national election. We need both parties! Currently the gutless Republican politicians have sold out to the extreme right and this will end in their downfall if they do not move back toward the middle. They must move from being the party of NO to being a party willing to negotiate and find a middle ground. The same is true with the Democrats. If they move too far off-center their will suffer the same fate. It does not matter if the movement is too far right or left, it will not be accepted by the majority in the middle.

Currently the Republicans and Tea Party people are driving all minority groups into the arms of the Democrats. Wake up folks. The minority groups are needed for a party to control the national government. The USA is no longer just a white mans country. We are a multinational country whether you or I or anyone likes it or not.

When I was a kid there was one kind of restaurant, American. You had a choice of meat and potatoes with green beans, or potatoes and meat with green beans. This is no longer true in the rural area where I grew up. There are now Ethiopian, Chinese, Japanese, Thai, Italian and other ethic restaurants as well as American. This is true all over the country. Why? Because, whether your or I like it or not, there are people from all over the world living here now, legally and they will vote. If you make an enemy of these groups you do not stand a chance in the long run in national elections.

The US is not now the country that I was born in. Some things are better, some are not. I suppose that is normal.

We either change with the country or in time we and our kind die. I'd rather change than die!

It is kind of like Christianity, we change the method, but not the message.

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