Reports of a split between the two leaders of Mexico’s notorious Zetas drug gang suggest that a violent power struggle may be brewing in the group's northeastern home turf, a conflict which could shake the established order in the country's criminal underworld.

According to a new report from Proceso, the partnership of the Zetas' two main leaders – Heriberto Lazcano, alias “Z-3”, and Miguel Angel Treviño Morales, alias “Z-40” – has come under strain, and the two appear to be headed for an open confrontation.

In recent months, a series of public banners (known as “mantas”) and videos uploaded to the internet have made reference to the two Zeta leaders’ capacity for betrayal. One manta, which appeared both in Monterrey and Zacatecas on June 1, placed a photo of Lazcano amid several former Zeta leaders who have been killed or arrested over the past several years, implying that Mr. Lazcano arranged their downfalls so as to secure control of the group.

However, the manta also alleges that Mr. Treviño was involved in the betrayals and asks, “Are we better off with Lazca or Z-40?”, which suggests that the authors were either disgruntled lower-level Zetas or a rival group passing themselves off as such. A series of videos was posted online over the following days which referred to Treviño as the “New Judas” and accused him of using federal troops to have his fellow Zetas commanders picked off one by one.

The Proceso report points to Treviño as the more powerful of the two leaders today, with Lazcano evidently spending much of his time in recent years in foreign countries, among them Germany and Costa Rica.

But the tangle of accusations and apparent betrayals, which are far more numerous than those outlined above, suggests a breakdown in organizational structure that goes beyond the two principal leaders. As InSight Crime has noted in the past, this hypothesis is supported by the numerous incidents of disobedience in the ranks of the Zetas.

Proceso describes the 49 dead bodies left in along a highway in Nuevo Leon in May as another example of this phenomenon. According to the magazine, the local boss charged with carrying out the crime disobeyed Treviño in not tossing the bodies in a nearby town plaza, because of his worries about the backlash of such a provocation. Instead, he dumped the bodies along a comparatively remote stretch of highway, where they were subsequently discovered by authorities.

Treviño’s relative strength doesn’t assure that he’ll emerge victorious or (even less likely) strengthened by the internal strife. Indeed, the reports of internal decay make it likely that whatever the result of the recent tensions, the victorious capo will be heading a weaker organization.

Continuing degradation in the Zetas' command structure would likely be a source of violence in the group’s territories in the northeast, especially Veracruz, Coahuila, Nuevo Leon, and Tamaulipas. Certainly, internal strife within a group typically leads to a sharp uptick in murders. Such has been the case in Mexico’s northeast for years: the 2010 conflict between erstwhile allies the Gulf Cartel and the Zetas has driven a sharp increase in murder rates in the state's named above.

A similar dynamic was at play in 2008, when the Beltran Leyva Organization split from the Sinaloa Cartel, which drove an outbreak in violence across wide swaths of western and southern Mexico. Or, further back, the split between the Carrillo Fuentes family and the Sinaloa Cartel following the latter’s murder of Rodolfo Carrillo Fuentes in 2004 eventually precipitated the fight over Juarez that has turned the border town into Mexico’s most violent city for the past four years.

In such cases, the subsequent fighting may be initially motivated by revenge or personal hatreds, but the dispute for territorial control is often not far from the surface, and helps sustain the conflict for years to come.

For instance, Rodolfo Carrillo Fuentes’ murder may have helped spark the tension that led to the fight for Juarez, but it was control of the border town itself, one of the busiest along the US-Mexico border, that turned a blood feud into something like a war zone.

However, a prolonged spiral of violence isn’t inevitable; the division between the Familia Michoacana and Caballeros Templarios, which followed the 2010 death of Familia boss Nazario Moreno, provoked a relatively mild increase in violence in Michoacan. Indeed, the state’s murder rate in 2011 (a little more than 17) remained below the national average (just shy of 21), and the rate through six months of 2012 is virtually identical.

A weakening of the Zetas in their home turf may also discourage the group’s forays into far-flung regions of Mexico, such as Jalisco or Sinaloa. The organization’s presence in such areas has led to a great deal of violence, and has helped cement the Zetas’ reputation as the most expansionist, destabilizing gang in Mexico. Should fighting at home lead bosses to call their gunmen deployed elsewhere back into the state’s northeastern home, this could lead to a lessening of tensions elsewhere.

Furthermore, reports that a significant chunk of the Zetas could align with the Gulf Cartel could be a key factor in determining the impact of the split.

If a resulting alliance is capable of overwhelming the divisions between the Gulf Cartel and Zetas bosses – i.e., if the Zetas resisting collaboration with other groups are eliminated from the industry – then it could ultimately turn into a driver of a more peaceful interaction between the various gangs in Mexico’s northeast.

That’s the most optimistic scenario, and while not implausible, unfortunately recent history suggests that it is not a particularly likely outcome.

– Patrick Corcoran is a writer for Insight – Organized Crime in the Americas, which provides research, analysis, and investigation of the criminal world throughout the region.. Find all of his research here.

102 comments:

Wow I wonder what will happen?! Maybe half the zetas will split and rejoin with the Golfos. Maybe trevino will split and take those loyal to him and form his own cartel perhaps? I would like to know what everyone else thinks!

dammnn borderlandbeat im wondering myself how much do the golfos and chapos pay u too put down this false information about the 2 top bossses of los zetas.look motherfuckers if ya don't know and need to know lazcano and 40 are in no way of hell in a fight trust me this is just PR relations from los chapos and golfos.it sucks for the ppl who wanna seee the zetas go this is a act of desperation from part of golfos and chapos.borderlandbeat you guys dissapoint me in every way,i bet you guys got this information from sum cds or cdg cheeleader acting like a real cartel memeber.borderland beat and allyou cheeleaders ya don't beleive me fine well just get in the buissness so u can find out for yourselfs.zetas are not splitting at all.its correct we got 2 factions lazcanos ppl work the sout and 40ppl work the north thats the way it goes.all the operations in zacatecas and sinaloa etc etc are orderded by senor lazcano all operations orderd in tamps,nvo leon are under 40 orders.there are some cdg factions trying to set a truce with some zetas in order for the zetas to enter reynosa in a incursion but thats happening till like in september.the zetas might be thugz mugrossoz and all u wanna say but even the top cartels cant finisht them,cuz in the zetas cartel loyalty still runs in there family no matter what as long as lazcano is in charge.so they have to bring up this PR strategy which the national media is payed out by el chapo soo most medias will put this .soo cmon ppl hate on my comment im just stating facts not opinions not cheeleading just speaking the truth.

Will the little kid who keeps on with the English Z bullshit just shut the fuck up and start looking for Mummy's pussy on the porno sites.You think you're something but you're really just a brainless fucking idiot who needs a slap. Go away for fucks sake!

what lad, stop running your mouth and put a name too it u shit-bag, and well your doing dat go suck your dirty, stinkin H.I.V-Riddled momma yeah!! u have no idea nephew, Lazca's reach doesn't just stop at south america, he be running tingz in Europe also, so do us all a favour and go and smoke your pipe u crack-head cuz u got it all twisted u fuckin Muppit, Viva E Z

Z made arrogant demands of CDG that resulted in the split to begin with. If they had any sense at all they'd have shown respect for the chain of command and sat down like men and chopped it up and worked their differences out like men. They would be the strongest cartel in MX right now. But Z cry baby leaders made reflex decisions based on emotion and cocky egos. Z will never be able to handle CDG/CDS. It's only a matter of time before they ALL jump ship. They've been jumping back and forth all along, that's always the case in the business. Nobody has to claim fact or fiction on here and scream others are cheerleaders. It's in the news all the time how Z are getting pushed out of their areas. Pay attention dummy!!!

I doubt the cdg will form a new alliance with the zetas They would decapitate all of them if they had the chanceFirst you kill eachother then your friends it doesn't make sense there still has to be grudges towards eachother

I don't. Think Los ZETAZ/mugre ARE NOT SPLITTING UP. I THINK LOS ZETAZ/mugre WANT YOU TO THINKTHAT. JULY.27 2012.12:37pm I like yourcomment.BUT I DISAGREE ON THE PART WERE YOU SAY LOS Z AND GOLFAS ARE IN ATRUCE I THOUGH THAT THEY HATE EACHOTHER WITH PASSION.SO WHY WOULDTHEY MAKE A TRUCE NOW. OR MAYBE THIS IS WHAT 40 AND LASCANO WANTS. TO KEEPYOU. IN DISINFORMATION

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fact Fact: a piece of information presented as having objective reality— in fact: in truth "soo cmon ppl hate on my comment im just stating facts not opinions not cheeleading just speaking the truth. July 27, 2012 12:37 PM "dude you don't know fact if it bit you where the sun don't ...

All cartels give up your ways and you may yet be spared. you have been warned.

Either lazca or trevino is dead by the end of 2012.Make your bets. They are too wanted. Too hunted. Too despised. and a large 5 million$ reward.The American gvt will pressure Nieto to kill or capture Lazca and trevino. They will be killed to die with their secrets that implicate gvt officials.They have had a lucky run but soon they will stumble into hell.

I wonder what happened to XXX=M3 that was in my opinion the only guy who i trusted with any rumors regarding the golf cartel. I really hope for the sake of the population of Reynosa and Matamoros that factions from the CDG dont collaborate with the zetas to heat up the plaza

this sounds like chapo is fighting with his head not weapons cause hes no challenge for the zetas im pertty sure te zeta bosses know this ive never heard anything inregard to a possibility of a split here in baja or sinaloa and im a resident here in tijuana chapo is very smart but trust this zetas are to gotta go ad hit this pipe this is some good shit later bros

1. puro pedo trevino and lazcano trying to confuse everybody.2.Thats what lazcano gets for betraying osiel cardenas. He should off help him escape like it was plan with 3 helipcopters, when the zetas were real zetas. ( the old zetas, there dead now)3. whats gona happen with beltran leyva cartel if there is realy a split? Who goes where?4.Does lascano join forces with juarez? trevino goes on his own like the barbie? or trevino goes with golfo cuz of metro 3?5. cuz of this a brutal cartel war is gona erupt. pero tijuana esta solo? thats what we think, i dont think inge is gona want any of them cuz hes a lo pro vato that likes his plaza clean...

Remember people its just my opinion and questions we dont know. dont get offended if u do, i got two words for u.....

people are just repeating what the revista processo published! remember idiots they are in the business of magazine sales its pure bull shit de que yo e visto es los Zetas siguen mas pila que la madre! ni carteles unidos pueden con eyos porfavor. Los zetas top leaders are real soldiers with intelligence in war tactics and counter terrorism. I know this because i follow EZLN the last of the true people and we know that the Zetas were trained by the U.S Gov to take these EZLN revolutinarys down. These EZLN will fight to the death lead by comandante Marcos. So the U.S trained Los Zetas in counter terrorism so i dont see how these other cartels are going to beat los Zetas other then pure unadulterated propaganda like this one! Lets not forget that they also have trained KAIBILES from Guatemala. without trying to sound like a sow called "cheer leader" Military wise the Zetas will not be beat from the outside only from the inside out by making them turn on each other. Thats why we see stuff like this who knows maybe it will work

July 27, 2012 5:14 PM "oh so now u saying they fled jajaja funny come down to victoria,vallehermoso,nvolaredo and stop talking shit out ur ass."Hermano,take no shit off these idiots,we want to hear from players,and men who know thw score.I dont want to hear from internet bangers talking all grimey to men who might help us out a bit.You are not dry snitchin on no one,shit gets known in the end,you helpin to clear up shit,like the truce rumors.For fools who dont know,some of CDG,not all of them,are supposed to be talkin to Z ?As for this bullshit about Lazcano and Trevino Morales,how many times is this gonna get said?Man,these two are closer than everyone knows.As long as Lazcano is in charge,its tight.Lazcano is one clever,mean motherfucker,who been there and done it all.This is not about cheer-leading you fuckin idiots,of course you get players on here posting comments,and they are the ones we should welcome,because they know whats up.It is you clowns who start shouting Z cheerleader,CDG/CDS cheerleader,who should shut up and maybe we might figure some shit out,before you piss people off with your bullshit heroics.July 27, 2012 5:14 PM ,Senore keep posting,and most of us will keep reading,fuck the clowns.

ALL THIS Z SPLIT LARK,IS PURE BULLSHIT.Dont chase off people who might help us understand some situations.Dont be little girls cheering for your favorite cartel,when most here have nothing to do with any cartel business at all.

Go back 20 years and watch the mexican cinemaversion of Narco movies grooming society of nice mexican people to what is happening now.It is worst than the movies 20 years ago.

Not like in the 1940's or 50's during El cinede oro movies.

Too much has occurred for peace anytime soon.With the economic situtation and the easy lure of $$$ there are plenty of recruits to replacethose killed or captured in the war.Years ago there were posters of Che Guevaraall over Mexico now they are replace by postersof "Scarface". This is what it has become. Young people listening to narco corridos and dreaming of a 4 door 4x4 , SUV ,Hummer, Escalade etc. So , with all the corruption,poverty,class distinction,discrimination doubt the violencestops anytime soon. Its just started. Sad but true.....

All you cartel pussies are the same what the fuck do all the innocent people yall kill have to do with yalls war yall call yourselves men you pussies aren't men killing innocent men and women that cant defend them selsves just show what kind of pussy coward motherfuckers yall are but its not yalls fault your pussy ass fathers just raised yall to be that way

@ July 27, 2012 6:18 PM O.K. zetilla, so rumors of ".For fools who dont know,some of CDG,not all of them,are supposed to be talkin to Z" is legit but not when they mention Lazcano vs 40 is bullshit?. Put the damn pom poms away!!!

This is bullshit.. There not splitting not now that there so close to whooping chapas ass.. Chapo been fighting the zetas since its used to be the armed wing of the golf cartel n what happen?? Yeah they lost.. After they went after the juarez cartel a smaller weaker cartel, so of course sinaloa whoop that ass.. But you dumbass chapa's dick rider think the zetas are like the juarez cartel.. Why you think them bitch golfas join chapa? Cuz they where scare shitless of the zetas.. Zeta never going to die .. Just by its name along they would always have recruits

Damn it girl! You don't know shit about the German language.You can't even write.The only thing I understood is : Francisco Villa. This blog is about the cartels war in Mèxico, not about the mexican revolution.

Get off the lame ass zetas nuts motherfucker.I see you refer to yourself as part of that filth on here,but I highly doubt you do it in person..i don't agree with any cartels way of living,but I respect the fact that most cartels make their money hustling,not extorting small businesses and kidnapping innocents.

This is my opinion the metro faction of the gulf might have been makin alliances or snitching on el Coss and r1 they were taking over the gulf and the metros didnt like it they wanted the leadership so metro 3 got clipped Coss and r1 alligned with chapo Guzman left the metris to fight for themselves so now metros started givin up everyone r2 Gilberto barragan balderas the metros prob had a deal with zs already sinaloa prob gave lots of guns money and soldiers to diablo a cell leader from Coss and r1s squad and hes takin it to the zsss thats just a penny for ur thought bueller bueller bueller?????

One ? Whats up w these vatos thinking they is hella hard doing all this shit yet once they pinched by pigs or picked up by rivals they r quick to straight rat on anybody n I dnt hear bout these cats getn there in mex prisons. Fkn sorry ass lames n most of all the chavalas that swing on there nuts aspiring to ultimately SNITCH OR GET CAUGHT N MADE A TAPE OUT OF. in califas u cooperate or saying the most miniscule intel to any juras n it will be documented. Eventually tru a motion of discovery will u find out exactly whos saying wat or who said that. If u havent heard many prison murders go unheard of to the general public but let me tell u fools getn stabbed the fuck up for snitching. I trip out on these vatos simon u have feria n all that nice shit but wether u admit or not u live in fear. In my varrio w never bow regardless we defend our ground at wat ever fkn cost. I just trip out on all these jales these fools be doing only thing that bothers me is that my Tio payed the piper n yet he never said a word cz he had nothing to say. Honest as he was for selling churros to try to get by in michoacan he was picked up n never found. Life aint fair pero chales bro. So when they take a scenic ride this way we make sure them fools now were the fuk they aint welcomed. In huron barra chamizal para los plasticos q se quieran atorar.. Fuk these fools loking up to there snitch ass homeboys n in the pinta u vatos aint shit. Paying taxes to live on yardas n simon u vatos can have that Lil corner by the excusados to post up. Qvo to all the real gente out there

MY THEORY IS THIS ALL CARTEL JEFES/BOSSES THEY KNOW EACH OTHERTHEY PROBABLY CALL EACHOTHER EVERYDAYTELLING EACHOTHER WERE EACH OTHERS RIVALS\CARTELSCUM LIVE AT SO AN OTHERRIVAL WOULD SHOW UP AN MERK HIS SHIT.AND THE BOSSES ARE PROBABLY SOME WEREIN EUROPE WITH A BUCH OF HOOKERSAN A PYLE OF COKE/COCAINE MONEY AND POWER INTOXCATE.BUT EVIL COMES WITH IT. I JUST HAVE A GUT FEELING THATALL JEFES ARE IN ALLIANCE ITS MAFIA.ALL C.I.A OPERITVES JUST TRYING TO SURVIVE. WHILE WE WORRY ABOUT SUMFUCKING IRANIANS NUKING SUM JEW/JUDASIN PLESTINE/ISREAL/GAZA.

Zeta leaders are cowards. Lazcano and trevino lead a life of cowering in the shadows.If they are so brave and powerful where are they. Are they on national televison giving orders to america and the world. Are they marching into mexico city to assume the presidency. No! They are hiding in their spider holes while they send stupids and drug addicts to their death! In europe, ha ha ja ja! the only europe they will see is a map in their spider hole!These little punkers life will end soon.

zetas are weak. when ice agent killed how quickly they dumped DELIVERED THEIR BROTHER TO AMERICAN AUTHORITIES. Hundreds of other examples. Zeta soldiers are brainwashed idiots.The zeta leader scam is, we care about, you when in fact you zeta soldiers are kotex pads to be disposed after use by the pussy commandantes.

July 28, 2012 1:10 PM July 28, 2012 2:55 PM We got some real vatos in here.And that fuckin bitch ass clown,English Z.You fuckin doja,what shit are you talkin bout?This bitch be a little kid,talkin outta his ass.Man,it hard to get a decent conversation goin on here,all the bitches talkin greasy and praising this,that.We tryin to find shit out to know a bit more,but it gets stopped short by bad boy bangers,grow the fuck up.

Wtf. Is doja in my country doja meansmarijuana is Doja supposed to be offensive? ZETAZ are even stupidin England. If you want to be offensive Try some words we can understandyou sound like a gangster Alfred Hitchcock. In my city/Reno NV.We call Marijuana Doejaa.Brav.

To the fag that said bad boy bangers let me tell u sometning u anonimous coward. I posted were I can be found n were I post up. U trying to find out what? Wat conversation? Im letting u know that we r dealing w yhis matter even though its small in comparison to the bs in mex im telling u im defending my mex race n my hood. Grow up? Come on now bro be real stop m think that if all goes un noticed when they come to a town city near u then what? Will u step up to the plate n sacrifice a life sentence to let these bastards no there bs aint tolerated here. But dny talk out ur ass cz one day u can find out for urself big bad Huron california 559 chamizal bar is were u can find me just chilling waiting for another flashy wanna be narco start talking bout he works for him or watever he might flash . Means its open season on tnat mudafkr .

Why would u post that hmie those narcos are xlose to ur frontera u will be easy to find with that bar u mentioned area code and Fresno I hope ur post wont affect any innocent people at that bar u mentioned these fuckers will throw pinas aka nades or countless other things just a friendly heads up take care saludos de larete texas

"Thats what lazcano gets for betraying osiel cardenas. He should off help him escape like it was plan with 3 helipcopters" el mamito and el hummer designed the plan but 5 gulf cartel members who were captured ahead of the plan f'cked up snitchin

el espanto .Brah,be cool,you missed what i said,,,July 28, 2012 1:10 PMJuly 28, 2012 2:55 PM"We got some real vatos in here"Then we got the bitches who think they all street,and go crazy after readin on this shit.Like it some fuckin game,"i wanna be in a cartel"some of these clowns are fuckin day dreamin for real.Brah,as you say i say"to all the real gente out there"Always brah.Saludos and get that money,make that money.

"throw the English Zeta's into the mix, and us Z will be unstoppable"Motherfucker you embarassing yourself talkin shit like that.You wouldnt believe there were people like this.Sheeeit,you got aussy pussys calling you a bitch,you wanna shut that mouth of yours you little clown.Some of us know where you from,you fuckin clown,the place with the big birds and the two tunnels,red and blue,nah mean.So stop embarassing it.

July 29 2:40 I respectfully withdraw from the comments made in your direction. Plz understand I jumped a gun n took offense to wat u relayed. Look bro although I am a gang member I do follow certain rules n regs but we do have some morality left in regards to women children n da elderly. This astrocity going on in mex , to us mexicans, will affect us one way or another. A family member of mine fell victim to it no bullshit brah he was a clean cut fam man who sold churros for a miserable living n never fkn complained. Now for those cats living close to birder states it is a fact that this is spilling over. Im from fresno county california n my statements regarding the presence of these cowards in smaller mex filled towns is too make these fags pay the ticket for all those who have suffered or continue to get exploited by these punks. Realize that this mex on mex violence is gonna start affecting the other factions of races. I personally have made it a somewhat of continued mission to make these fuckers pay. If I see u flashing fancy things hear you brag about being affiliated w any mudafkn cartel or talking bout what u can pull n what not will let me tell u cartel bastards u the first on the list. I aint trying to portray myself as this big bad robin hood of mexs not by all means brah but its icing on the cake to put the most smallest of dents against these fkrs so that they realjze there operations will be sought down at all in this side of the map. I hope ur curiosity toward wats going on in mex is a Lil more understood from my perspective. Make money n make these cowards life miserable. Arriba mi RAZA MEXICANA . Fresno County on the mapa 559

Ive seen interviews done too real zeta leaders like el mamito and el amarillo. Ive noticed that when they refer to osiel cardenas the refer to him as "el senor" weird to think that they respect him still knowing that they (the Zetas) were at war with his cartel and brother. I have always wondered if el coss was the one behind the capture of osiel and the split of Z/CDG. I wonder what would have happened if osiel's brother wouldnt have been killed and his nephew arrested i would say that they would have aligned them selves back with the zetas since there rumors right now saying some cdg members are joining the zetas i wonder if thats the faction that is loyal to the cardenas family if so maybe now theyy know that el coss is a rat.I think that between the zetas and the cardenas family there is still respect.

el espanto .Ey man,i got no hate for Mexicans.I take a person the way i find them,whatever race they be,one on one.You find some who know the score,and some who are pure pretenders in every race.You can find a brother after a day together,and be down for each other.I hear what you sayin,some of this shit goes beyond what a man can,and should do.I say on here,violence is fuckin everywhere,it is part of us.But,i know right from wrong.As men,this shit is part of us,we can take care of ourselves,but women and children is goin way beyond any reasons.The working man and woman does not get involved in any kind of criminal shit or violence,but now,it seems anything is game to make a buck.Right and wrong,we gotta have some morals and rules or we got a fuckin jungle,for real,we got nothing.el espanto,i got no problem with inner city dudes makin money slangin,fuck else are we supposed to do,get a job in an office?But just keep your head up and be a man.Even a gang got to play by its own rules.Brah,i would love to see a prosperous Mexico where young people can get jobs,training,opportunities,but the people in power are not the right people,,,the world over,not just Mexico.Anyway man,tener cuidado.

If you're so tough, then why you didn't join the Army or the Marines and go to Iraq and Afghanistan and help this country and the people over there instead of wasting your time hiding in a mexican cantina waiting for some drunk sob flashing some cash or gold so you can beat him half dead and steal whatever he has on him. My advice is that you join the armed forces, go and fight so you can learn some form of discipline, then learn a trade and do something better with your life. You are writing all this posts because you need some kind of attention.

What u had to say was good bro n well ive said quite a few words as well n check this out me personally I dont condone drugs or users. It may sound crazy but my crew lives n exist under a strong code of conduct bcz at the end of the day I have we all kids n loved ones. So we have no play in bs against the elderly children n woman. I have my means of income but has nothing to do with what you mighy think im doing bro. My over all.concern from the gate bro was to pass along intel to La RAZA in neighboring counties towns n cities to not let these cats set up shop here. Its not just bout the dope they sell that could lead to one of my kids demise, but them acts try to pimp out woman n Lil girls who could possibly be related to any one mexican. Bro my point is to make these mudafkrs lives miserable at all.costs. wether its with hands on one on one , getn knives wet, or makin the glocks hot, I personally will not tolerate them cats were I reside. We aint scurrred of them cats here we got training too n big boy toys that go boom. Its a fkn abomination whats going on in mex so least I can do from my position is to get at these cats were I can reach out n touch em. All I would hope for ES MI LINDO MEXICO PROSPERANDO SIN TEMOR ALOS CARTELES. I cordially step out bro have a good one

Ps to all the cartels abusive to innocent people fuck you twice in the neck n a lifetime of splintered dildos up ur asses

I have to agree with that: Fucking cartels have no code. I seen those guys back in 1970 in Huntington Park, Ca. Gang members from the Florencia 13 gang, those guys had a bad repitation, but also had a strong code of discipline and they all lived by that code. That Mexican pussy ass cartels don't come even close to the guys at Florencia 13.

In regards to ur opinions, first n foremost y would I join the service when I aint even american? My concern is for mexicans not u let alone to go fight in iraq for a fkn medal. Lol I see how great the states take care of there veterans so im good ill pass. I dont hide in the cantinas I told the world were I can be found so I aint hiding. As far,as trades go dont speak on ehat u dont know I have a 9 2 5 as well but im actually do ok ng something instead of standing by n watchinh shit build n get worse. I do have dicipline buddy n a code of ethics as hard as it may be to believe I dont have to prove shit to u. Whats the point of joining the service when look at all the casualties that have come about for what? Defend the home turf bro n fuk the iraqis n dnt speak on what u dont know

I'm also a Mexican American, I we fight for our freedom, do you think what happened in New York was funny? And yes the Government takes good care of me, they deposit over two grand a month in my account, plus medical care for me and my family. A 925? I'm 68 and still working I drive a 379 extended hood All American Classic Peterbilt. Comes now if you ain't american what the fuck are you doing here? All my sons are paratroopers and have been deployed several times to Iraq and Afghanistan, all of them have earned their Purple Hearts and CIB's , we fight so all of you and your loved ones can sleep peacefully at night, smoke a joint and do nothing for our freedom. US of A, love it or leave it. Yours very truly: SFC Hector Pruneda. US Army, Retired. PS. please don't collect food stamps and welfare check. Thanks.

They should dig a big pit and everytime they catch a narco, throw them and feed them nothing. Maybe they'll kill each other.Every time they get to 15 or 20, pour gas on them and set them on fire. Shooting them or jail is too good for things who aren't human.