Trump has a plan for government workers. They’re not going to like it.

sorry man, had to reply to your incorrect assessment saying government workers dont make money disappear. They absolutely do.

I have worked as a civilian for the military...and i heard plenty of stories from people who witnessed first hand the kinds of abuse and waste that
would make your head spin.

in one particular story, a guy who wasnt even very high up in the GS system was a manager of a particular department. This guy had the audacity to
steal funds from operational expenses and spend nearly 50,000 USD on fixing up a couple of his cars with rims, stereo systems and other things...and
thats only what they could prove. They did a sting on him lasting several months (that cost us more money obviously) and to top it all off, even
though he was fired for doing it, he was able to get a job at another base in another department!

i also heard many stories about guys clocking in and going to play golf all day then coming back just in time to clock out. Yes, obviously some of
these guys were caught, but the punishment, if you can even call it that, was laughable. The guy playing golf all day got relocated back to the
States.

so....yes, HUUUUGE government waste is perpetrated all the time by fairly low level civilian wage earners. It all adds up.

The point here is that government workers have historically enjoyed a great deal of job security--so much that it is considered almost impossible to
fire them for any but the most outrageous deeds. Further, the benefits are tremendous. There was a time when government workers were rather low paid
compared to the rest of the populace, so this job security and wide-ranging benefits was considered compensation for that fact. No, you weren't going
to get rich, but you had a steady full-time job with a pension at the end of it. In effect, civil servants traded risk for security. But at some point
this rationale of relatively low pay with lots of bennies and job security changed to "we need to attract good people with competitive salaries." So
today if you look at the GS pay scale, it is the envy of workers everywhere. The "government class" is the new Middle Class. Unfortunately, many of
the employees who were "low pay and deserved it" are still in the government workforce with enough seniority to coast to retirement without anyone
being able to do anything about sub-standard performance.

These facts are not unnoticed by the bureaucrats who run the government show. They ave never met a tax they didn't like or a government program that
did not "need" to be started because some pressure group felt the government "should really serve this special need." So as a result we have, for
example, thousands of government funded "Senior Centers" that no senior ever asked for, but if were on the chopping block the SJW's advocating such
unproven needs would scream bloody murder. You want to know how government grows? That's how.

The clever way to do this is a "divide and conquer" strategy. The idea is to take a population and divide in such a way that the divided portion has
certain unmet needs. The above-mentioned "senior centers" are a case in point. "Seniors" have become "special people" who need "special services." As
a senior myself I have never net a senior who asked for a "senior center" but there are those in the community who have decided this would be a good
idea. so they have lobbied the city to spend prodigious amounts of money on a senior center I will never go to. And once built it must be funded, and
were the funding to stop, all hell breaks loose. After all, having a "senior center" is a "good thing," right? Who could object? Are you an uncaring
monster who would rip the precious senior center from those most vulnerable in our population? How could you?

That's what Trump is targeting, the ability to make government more flexible, the ability to axe unnecessary programs. But if you want a more
efficient government, that's what has to happen. The US government bureaucracy is so vast and so entrenched that no president so far has been able to
curtail it, and most didn't want to. So when you say "government employees won't like" the changes he proposes, I'm not surprised. Their beds are very
comfy and they do not want to be disturbed.

I'm not sure but is the hard to fire and raises thing part of the union. What you get now is with out a union is, no cost of living raises, crappy
health care, no job security, no grievance process if the company/manger breaks rules. Yes let's get the becasue they should have the crap the private
sector has????? Edit, 401k in place of pension and health care after retirement.

well it`s a good start and about time, automatic raises for incompetent government employees who can't be fired, no more.

Looks like many gov. agencies are going to be farmed out to private contractors.

Yes. That is how I believe the Republican Party has become split. One wing wants to use govt as a shopping center for businesses. Keep all the
agencies, but let taxpayer dollars flow through those agencies to business. The other wing, the now dominant (with Trump's election) wing, is the Koch
ideology wing that wants to abolish all of the federal govt except for military (and courts). The Koch wing will use lower taxes and privatization as
a means to eventually "starve the beast", so that in the end only the military and courts are left. There would not be any govt left for business,
except for the military.

originally posted by: seasonal
Looks like Trump wants to make the govt worker the same as the private sector worker.

President-elect Donald Trump and the Republican-controlled Congress are drawing up plans to take on the government bureaucracy they have long railed
against, by eroding job protections and grinding down benefits that federal workers have received for a generation.

Hiring freezes, an end to automatic raises, a green light to fire poor performers, a ban on union business on the government’s dime and less
generous pensions — these are the contours of the blueprint emerging under Republican control of Washington in January.

Trump may be able to make changes becasue he is an outsider and may have repub's support on the legislative side.

These changes were once unthinkable to federal employees, their unions and their supporters in Congress. But Trump’s election as an outsider
promising to shake up a system he told voters is awash in “waste, fraud and abuse” has conservatives optimistic that they could do now what
Republicans have been unable to do in the 133 years since the civil service was created.

Well, how about give them private sector wages then? On average, actual professionals in the public sector make far far less money compared to the
same level of position and responsibility in the private sector.

Part of the counterbalance for their public service, and often very modest salaries, is they get offered good benefits, a little more security in some
circumstances, etc.

originally posted by: MiloTheMarauder
How 'bout they set term limits for the senate and house too.

Term limits sound good at first, but actually give more power to lobbyists and special interests. I used to be 200% for term limits. Now, I'm luke
warm.

When you limit a congressmen or a senator to 2 terms or whatever, they're going to be trying to please those lobbyists (who don't have term limits) to
score those lucrative private sector "consulting" jobs after they leave office.

They're also not as beholden to their constituents. "What, I have one, maybe two terms? If they hate me its not like I'm trying to keep my seat..."

However, I will bet you any money you care to lay on it, that when compared with ORGANISED scams, like supply to military and government
organisations from private companies, that there are billions of dollars of overspend, and billions of dollars of unpaid taxes, companies banking off
shore, and being owned by members of the government or its infrastructures which is a clear failure of the conflict of interest margin.

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