Thome would be a tough one..... some Indians fans hate him, but him hitting #600 at The Jake for the Tribe would (or should I say "should") be a big attendance boost.

And the guy can still hit.

I think Thome might fall into the category of time heals all wounds. Also, having the Decision lessened some of the sting of The Rock, which lessened some of the sting of Manny getting paid, which lessened the sting of Belle signing with the White Sox. In the end, winning trump (dis)loyalty.

If Pronk is definitely out for the season, Nick Johnson can't come back and play, and there's no other position player available that makes sense...then definitely give it some thought.

bookelly wrote:I Hanahands. But if the Mets are sellers who can argue David Wright. It would cost us the Chiz probably, and one of our stud lefties in the minors + ?. Would you make the deal assuming he's healthy? I would.

Commodore Perry wrote:I would be surprised if the Indians traded any significant prospects. The farm is this team's life blood. With guys like grady, choo, haf and o.c., probably gone in the next couple of years, the tribe is going to need everyone they can get out of the farm.

yeha but if is needed they could trade those guys off for prospects or recieve very good compensation for them if they left as free agents

peeker643 wrote:M's are right in that race as of now and may stay in it solely because of the pitching they're getting from Hernandez, Pineda and Fister, et al.

The might soon be shopping in the same aisle as the Tribe.

Yeah. They could use David Wright, et al., even more than the Indians could.

Along those lines, this season seems unusual in that the AL seems tighter than the NL. The only definite AL seller at this point seems to be the Twins, with like 4 or 5 probable sellers already in the NL, aided by the Dodgers and Mets issues. We'll see where things are on July 15.

Yeah. A lot of close races mean fewer sellers and more buyers. If the Dodgers and Mets decide to turn things over they'll have a shit ton of teams to deal with. And some of those teams will value their own prospects much less than the Tribe does.

If 85% of the people in Cleveland have ever heard the name of the minor leaguer being requested by another team, you can pretty much cross him off the list of being traded.

No way is this group suddenly going to go Anti-Plan and unload any of the kids for a quick fix. This isn't even the year they are supposed to be full tilt. They will scream patience and hope the yutes are what they expect next year.

pup wrote:If 85% of the people in Cleveland have ever heard the name of the minor leaguer being requested by another team, you can pretty much cross him off the list of being traded.

No way is this group suddenly going to go Anti-Plan and unload any of the kids for a quick fix. This isn't even the year they are supposed to be full tilt. They will scream patience and hope the yutes are what they expect next year.

Right, wrong, or indifferent.

Well, I get the point, but no way in hell 85% of the people in Cleveland have ever heard of Kipnis, Chisenhall, Phelps or Pomeranz.

pup wrote:If 85% of the people in Cleveland have ever heard the name of the minor leaguer being requested by another team, you can pretty much cross him off the list of being traded.

No way is this group suddenly going to go Anti-Plan and unload any of the kids for a quick fix. This isn't even the year they are supposed to be full tilt. They will scream patience and hope the yutes are what they expect next year.

Right, wrong, or indifferent.

Well, I get the point, but no way in hell 85% of the people in Cleveland have ever heard of Kipnis, Chisenhall, Phelps or Pomeranz.

pup wrote:If 85% of the people in Cleveland have ever heard the name of the minor leaguer being requested by another team, you can pretty much cross him off the list of being traded.

No way is this group suddenly going to go Anti-Plan and unload any of the kids for a quick fix. This isn't even the year they are supposed to be full tilt. They will scream patience and hope the yutes are what they expect next year.

Right, wrong, or indifferent.

Well, I get the point, but no way in hell 85% of the people in Cleveland have ever heard of Kipnis, Chisenhall, Phelps or Pomeranz.

I agree they will be stingy in giving up players, but its clear to me now that they have some sort of numbers system they crunch to evaluate trades. They will have a set number value for Wright, Reyes, the King and if a trade comes in at above said # value (including $alary no doubt) I bet they pull the trigger.

Like it or not, this team is run by a computer program now. Tribe is one of the most SABr metric teams in the league.

Edit; After thinking about it, there is prolly only one number the computer spits out which is relative player value, then the FO would have to decide if it made business sense. I bet it's any interesting process, one which they guard very deeply I heard as it's obviously quite a good system/program.

bookelly wrote:Like it or not, this team is run by a computer program now. Tribe is one of the most SABr metric teams in the league.

If this were true, you really think that they'd have signed Orlando Cabrera?

Well, yeah. Obviously defense plays into the formula, and he was cheap. I think he's more than fulfilled his spot holding down 2B until one of the kids is ready. Not arguing there wasn't some gut instinct involved, there always is.

bookelly wrote:Like it or not, this team is run by a computer program now. Tribe is one of the most SABr metric teams in the league.

If this were true, you really think that they'd have signed Orlando Cabrera?

Well, yeah. Obviously defense plays into the formula, and he was cheap. I think he's more than fulfilled his spot holding down 2B until one of the kids is ready. Not arguing there wasn't some gut instinct involved, there always is.

In retrospect, I should have put completely in front of true. I know what the point you were making was.

There are plenty of other exceptions, basically all the vet signings over the last 5-6 years.

A God Damn dead man would understand that if a minor league bus in any city took a real sharp right turn, a Zack McCalister would likely fall out. - Lead Pipe

The Mets recent "lowball" offer of a measly $100mil (actually it is a lowball offer. Crazy world) made me think of this thread. Reading through it, it's not quite as embarrassing as you might think. A few "what would we do with Chiz" comments and my favorite (sorry Jumbo):

It looks like the Mets a major hole at second base. Hmm...Phelps or Kipnis + Hagadone for Wright? But that leaves Chiz blocked, but there'd be no rush to deal him or anything.

Some things that struck me the most was the thought that Wright's injury might mean he's never the same again. The Dodgers were sellers and in dire straights financially. We had a promising player named Cord Phelps. Pomeranz was all but untouchable...

This thread is only a year and a half old...but it was a million damn years ago.

The Mets recent "lowball" offer of a measly $100mil (actually it is a lowball offer. Crazy world) made me think of this thread. Reading through it, it's not quite as embarrassing as you might think. A few "what would we do with Chiz" comments and my favorite (sorry Jumbo):

It looks like the Mets a major hole at second base. Hmm...Phelps or Kipnis + Hagadone for Wright? But that leaves Chiz blocked, but there'd be no rush to deal him or anything.

Ironically, Kipnis vs. Wright is actually an interesting short-term vs. long-term, contender vs. rebuilding comparison. Would one season of Wright (before FA) be more or less valuable than 6 years of Kipnis? How good of a team do you need in 2013 before your answer changes from Kipnis to Wright?

FWIW, Jonah Keri ranks Kipnis #31 on his trade value list on Grantland. Wright is not listed (or, at least, I didn't see him on a quick scan).