This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

farking_texan:1. Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.2. Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.3. Checking up on your precious snowflake doesn't give you a valid excuse to ruin the moviegoing experience for other people. Take it outside.4. Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.5. A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilzed manner in a public place? Douchenozzle. Not deserving of death, but douchenozzle.6. A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilized manner in a public place. Douchenozzle.

This reminds me of that scene in that movie where the grizzled old hero cop has cornered some dirtbag in a dive bar and is holding him by the collar, and the cop's uptight rookie partner is all "Detective, no! This is a violation of his civil rights!" and the dirtbag is all "You can't touch me! I'll scream police brutality and have your badge!" and the hero cop lets him go and the dirtbag is all "Yeah, that's right, biatches, you better walk away" and the hero cop is pissed and brooding and the audience is mad too because how can this dirtbag get away with that and then you see this shower of popcorn hit the cop in the back of the head and the old cop turns to look at the uptight rookie cop and the uptight rookie cop smiles and says "Section 403.21b, assault on an officer of the law," and the audience is psyched because we weren't too sure about this suit-wearing pipsqueak who'd been riding the hero cop's ass about everything but now we can tell he's one of the good guys because they both turn around and unload their entire clips* into the dirtbag and then they high-five, although the rookie cop does make a joke about how he's going to have to report the hero cop for using a weapon that is not on the department's approved list and the audience laughs because the hero cop's giant hand cannon was one of the little personal touches that made us like him right from the start of the movie.

* or is it magazines? Eh, I doubt anyone on Fark knows enough about guns to correct me.

The death penalty applies for every crime, from attempting to ask direction while black to throwing popcorn in a movie theatre.

But you can't kill a fetus the size of a pin head even if it almost certainly will cost the life of the mother-to-be or was produced by incestuous father-daughter rape and will certainly be a miserable shameful inbred misfit and cause of misery and crime for life.

My take on this... the retired cop was in his 70s but he still wants to be a tough guy and start shiat with people in the street. But a younger guy can really hurt him, so he need his gun. So you see, without a gun he wouldn't feel comfortable acting like a tough and picking fights in public. And isn't protecting his right to do that worth a few lives here or there?

The Larch:redmid17: You know the police report doesn't mentiog laughter at all. Also he was texting his daughter's daycare provider, not his daughter. She is three and this was a matinee film in the afternoon.

Interesting. Can you post a link to the arrest reports?

So laughter can get you shot? Man, Dane Cook must be the most well-protected guy in the world.

Nuclear Monk:CrazyCracka420: Generation_D: It appears if you are a cop, or a wannabe cop, Florida is your paradise these days.

All you need is

1) A gun

2) An attitude

The shooting gallery is open, time to go hunting!

Note: fans of civilization that doesn't resemble Beirut in the 1980s, Somalia today or perhaps a very populated Old West, might want to just skip Florida entirely.

Let the inbreds and the senile battle it out.

Actually the "Wild West" had stricter gun control laws, and a lot less firearm deaths (at least that they documented, I suspect some people get killed and were buried in the desert without a trace...so the numbers may be skewed). I read that the most firearm deaths in any year, was 4 in Tombstone, the year of the OK Corral gun fight. Most frontier towns averaged 2 firearm deaths a year (again, this is something I read, so take with a grain of salt unless you want to do your own research).

Trivia Jockey:Don't laugh. I remember the Great Popcorn Wars like they were yesterday. I still have flashbacks when I hear those "POP POP POP" sounds. The Battle of Canola Valley was particularly tragic.

POP POP in the attic theatre? The mere fact that you call it "POP POP" tells me you're not ready.

Dimensio:Nabb1: Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

Dimensio:This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf:Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

That's like saying that everyone's cars should be taken away because of the few who drive irresponsibly. It's not logical to deny everyone something because of a small minority who are careless

Some day I'm going to clear up a weekend, update my will, open a long fark thread and take a shot whenever Dimensio gets a bite.

SuperNinjaToad:The argument about good guys having guns to prevent bad guys pretty much went down the drain after this incident. I mean until this incident this douche for all intent and purpose would be considered a 'good guy with a gun'.

Not among people who know what cops are really like, and therefore resist the urge of people like you to give cops (and government generally) more and more power, under the ridiculously false assumption they are "good."

"If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind?"

Because the subject has been referenced, I believe that this is appropriate:

Two popular narratives of the confrontation between Mr. Zimmerman and Mr. Martin exist.

In the "pro Zimmerman" narrative, Mr. Martin was actively casing a neighborhood in search of homes that he could easily burglarize and, while burglarizing, smoke marijuana cigarettes, have sexual relations with white women and use Skittles™ and a watermelon-flavoured beverage to create "purple drank". Mr. Zimmerman noticed Mr. Martin's clear and suspicious actions and, being a dutiful citizen, called the police to report the incident. After stepping outside of his vehicle to confirm his suspicions, lest he be mistaken (not wishing to summon the police should Mr. Martin actually be innocent), he was suddenly confronted with the 350lb Mr. Martin (all of that weight being muscle mass) whereupon he was pinned to the ground and struck repeatedly. He begged Mr. Martin to cease, attempting to use reason with his attacker at first, and resorted to deadly force only when Mr. Martin's refusal to cease violence (likely due to him being high on several drugs) was obvious.

In the "anti Zimmerman" narrative, Mr. Martin was returning home after volunteering at a homeless shelter for the previous sixteen hours. Mr. Zimmerman, seeking an opportunity to commit murder against an innocent black child, first contacted the police to establish a plausible justification for his premeditated crime, then -- despite a direct and lawful order by the police to remain in his vehicle -- stepped outside and deliberately followed Mr. Martin, preventing the youth from reaching his home. He held Mr. Martin at gunpoint, forced the boy to his knees, demanded that Mr. Martin refer to himself as "Toby", and then he fatally shot Mr. Martin. He then used the dying Mr. Martin's fists to strike himself in the face repeatedly, before slamming his head into the sidewalk in order to create the "injuries" that supposedly justified his use of force.

crzybtch:Well now that you so KINDLY asked, the only time I do go to a movie is to take a 9 year old kid whose mom died of ovarian cancer. But since you are adamant about things, why not go out and punch an old lady for no reason then go home and kick your dog Mr. Sunshine..

I might just do that...

But you should say positive, just think of all the money you're saving not buying that third ticket and extra crap at the concession stand.

TNel:Pathman: you think that's what happened? my take is that he was already fuming mad, the two of them were fighting and then the thrown popcorn put him over the edge.

blind rage kind of precludes cold-blooded, doesn't it?

I know compuction or clemency are big words so let's break them down. Compuction:guilt, clemency:mercy; That old man had no consideration, guilt, or mercy when he killed that guy. Yeah I'm sure he was pissed but a pissed off person doesn't pull out a gun and kill someone. If you are that pissed that you walk out to do whatever and then come back and sit right behind the person that first pissed you off. Then that issue is with you. He could have moved seats but choose not to.

Jim from Saint Paul:Calling someone a douche nozzle is generally considered to be a stament of dislike. You did it in a manner that was quite emphatic. Indeed on the Welcome to Fark. I am enjoying the internet fighting today.

You're still having problems with reading comprehension, I see. The douchenozzle comment was in reference to the idiotic popcorn throwing. You're right, I do not like it when people escalate a verbal disagreement into a physicial confrontation. Throwing popcorn at another adult during the course of a disagreement makes you a douchenozzle.

JesusJuice:One fewer asshole in the world ruining movies for everyone. Nothing of value was lost and the cop reserved a medal.

Dude you're late. If your going to do this you have to show up early or almost nobody will see it.

See this guy here?

Dimensio:This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

He showed up within 10 post AAAAND got a dozen hits, farking hat tip of the ol fedora to him. "Better late than never" works for periods during pregnancy scares and airlift rescues at sea, not here.

mbillips:/Obviously, shooting people is bad, mmkay; it's such a truism that it's not worth discussing. But douchebags need to learn that there are consequences to acting like a douchebag. Good punch in the face at some point in his life would have probably done Mr. Textalot a world of good.

jmayson:Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

He was retired law enforcement. And he's killed one more person than all CCW holders I know combined.

CrackpipeCardozo:Farker Soze: No, I really did hear it from an outside source, whether true or not. So, do you have citations on how this has never been studied?

Do you have citations that your mother didn't drown in her living room toilet?

Yes, I do. Now, is his statement "It has no basis in fact. It has never been studied. The poster has never read anything like this in a reputable book." verifiable, or is it is simply made-up bullshiat that comes straight from the imagination of the poster and it is being passed to you as if it were a fact.

moike:crzybtch: Obviously the cop should go to jail and so sad for the dead guys family (even if he was an arsehole).....but it is ironic how many times in the theater I have wished I could shoot people who:

text / check their mail / play games on their phone/devicetake ten minutes to open their candy in the noisiest way possibleeat their popcorn in a way that sounds like a pig gobbling crunchy sloplift their straw in and out making that awful plastic on plastic screeching soundkick the back of your seatsit in front of you in a virtually empty theatersit behind you in a virtually empty theaterTalk in a "whisper" that is loud enough to echoLaugh like a hyenaLet their kids do any of the aboveLet their kids run up and down the aisle

I am sure I can think of more if you give me time.

Just sayin'

That's what you get for being stupid enough to pay an exorbitant fee to cram yourself into a farking theater with other unwashed primitive screwheads. You bought the ticket, you take the ride... moron.

And the entire time you're wedged between two fatties with your eight dollar soda and 14 dollar popcorn ready to pop a vein in your forehead due to your rage-on the enlightened are smart enough to download a screener copy and watch the damn movie in the privacy and comfort of their own homes... Where things are far less likely to resemble a monkey cage whipped into a shiat-slinging frenzy.

Who the fark still goes to the movies in this modern day and age?

Well now that you so KINDLY asked, the only time I do go to a movie is to take a 9 year old kid whose mom died of ovarian cancer. But since you are adamant about things, why not go out and punch an old lady for no reason then go home and kick your dog Mr. Sunshine..

The Larch:And what bothers me is that I seem to be in a twilight zone episode full of people who are saying that it's OK to text in a theater. Seriously, read the thread... there are people here saying it was OK because it was the previews, or because it doesn't usually bother too many people, and all sorts of other excuses for terrible behavior. It's crazy world.

You are a tree and you suck at trolling. Go back to breathing carbon dioxide, doing photosynthesis, gently waving your leaves around, and smelling the sweet breezes of the good clean air, not the polluted air of too many bodies in a confined place and the overwhelming reek of artificial chemicals. Return to your roots--it's not too late. Movies are greatly overrated anyway.

mbillips:deanis: mbillips: This probably isn't a popular view, but my theory is that the victim was an entitled prick.

Exhibit A: He's texting to his THREE-YEAR-OLD during the previews. Fark, dude, you got a sitter and went to the movies. Stay in the moment; your precious snowflake won't die from lack of hovering.

Exhibit B: Cranky old man says something about the texting. Dickweed cops an attitude, points out that he's texting with his precious snowflake, so everyone should shut up. Cranky old man goes and tells the manager, who probably says, "It's the trailers, old dude; the house lights aren't even down all the way. Chill." Cranky old man comes back to his seat.

Exhibit C: Words are exchanged. I'm assuming Mr. I Got Shot copped an attitude about the old man narcing on him to the management. That's what you're supposed to do when someone is being a dick at the movies. Turning your farking phone off and leaving it in your pocket is the correct response to someone asking you to stop texting at the movies, not giving them a ration of shiat.

Exhibit D: Guy throws popcorn at an old man. Seriously, who throws popcorn? That's asking for a beatdown.

The old guys' ONE fault was bringing a gun and using it. Everything else is on the shooting victim. This should be a lesson to you gun fondlers out there, to leave the thing at home unless you're actually going somewhere hazardous, because there are pricks out there in the normal course of life that will make you LONG to shoot them.

How farked up is your life if someone throwing popcorn at you makes you "long" to shoot them? Grow up farkwads, have some self control.

That's pretty much standard Southern man reaction. It's not the popcorn; it's the lack of respect for my potential deadliness. Spitting on me would draw the same reaction. We're raised like that. Insult to honor = physical assault.

/I've pretty much grown out of it, but I UNDERSTAND.

But that's so backwards.

You can't insult MY honor by calling me a doodoo-head. Because any reasonable person would know that I am not, in fact, a doodoo-head. Therefore, the only honor that's been affected is YOUR honor, for acting like a moran.

If you call me a doodoo-head and I get all hot and bothered, that implies that I secretly am a doodoo-head, or have doodoo-head tendencies.

The Larch:Latinwolf: A few people have already claimed he was at fault for daring to text during movie reviews.

He texted in a movie theater, then he laughed at an old man who asked him to stop, and then he threw popcorn at the old man and laughed at him some more when the manager failed to do anything about it.

I'm not saying that he deserved to die, but it's easy to see why someone would come to that conclusion.

Texting, teasing, and throwing popcorn!? . Seriously, if things this small in magnitude cause you fits of rage: seek help. I can't wait until the next time someone does something I don't necessarily like (the next time someone farts next to me on a plane, BOOM. Shows over cupcake).

The Larch:Wait... there are honestly and truly people in this thread defending the piece of subhuman filth who was texting in a movie theater?

Are you all just being ironic and edgy, or are you serious about this?

You know, personally when I go to the movie theater to text my friends once the lights go off (it's the only time it's dark and quiet enough for me to really compose a good text) I always bring my glock with me ... that way if anyone starts any trouble, I can just shoot them and make sure nothing bad happens. That's why we should all be walking around with guns all the time everywhere we go - so that when we are temporarily pissed off, we can solve our problems in the moment, right then and there.

Trivia Jockey:Don't laugh. I remember the Great Popcorn Wars like they were yesterday. I still have flashbacks when I hear those "POP POP POP" sounds. The Battle of Canola Valley was particularly tragic.

spiderpaz:Talking on the phone during the feature would be cause for maybe a soda on the head at worst -

Years ago, I saw someone complain to a bunch of teens about being loud. One of them threw their soda over several rows at the guy...and he caught it. Without the lid coming off and spilling a drop. That was badass.

The Larch:Nutsac_Jim: Apparently, this does solve the Batman dilemma, of whether a CCW holder would have been able to shoot in a dark theater and hit his target and not kill the 15 people sitting around.

Yep. This guy was a trained law enforcement officer inches away from his target, he had been interacting directly with his target for several minutes, he fired only one shot, and despite all of that he still managed to hit an innocent bystander in addition to his intended target.

spiderpaz:/CSB: my wife and I were at a theater to watch a movie for the first time in 5 months after getting a day away from the baby finally and we sit down in an empty theater. Just before the feature starts this woman and her mom who's on oxygen being wheeled around come and sit right next to us, and then another couple sits on the other side of us (trapped). We had to sit there listening to this pump pushing oxygen into her every 3 seconds the entire time. THEN came the snoring. Lots.OF.Snoring. Still didn't ruin my mood though.

You're a coward and a disgrace to this country for not executing the lot of them.

Furthermore, the dead father was texting the babysitter, not his three year-old. The texting was during the previews, and the old bastard was involved in a previous incident at the theater where he intimidated a female who was texting.

This probably isn't a popular view, but my theory is that the victim was an entitled prick.

Exhibit A: He's texting to his THREE-YEAR-OLD during the previews. Fark, dude, you got a sitter and went to the movies. Stay in the moment; your precious snowflake won't die from lack of hovering.

Exhibit B: Cranky old man says something about the texting. Dickweed cops an attitude, points out that he's texting with his precious snowflake, so everyone should shut up. Cranky old man goes and tells the manager, who probably says, "It's the trailers, old dude; the house lights aren't even down all the way. Chill." Cranky old man comes back to his seat.

Exhibit C: Words are exchanged. I'm assuming Mr. I Got Shot copped an attitude about the old man narcing on him to the management. That's what you're supposed to do when someone is being a dick at the movies. Turning your farking phone off and leaving it in your pocket is the correct response to someone asking you to stop texting at the movies, not giving them a ration of shiat.

Exhibit D: Guy throws popcorn at an old man. Seriously, who throws popcorn? That's asking for a beatdown.

The old guys' ONE fault was bringing a gun and using it. Everything else is on the shooting victim. This should be a lesson to you gun fondlers out there, to leave the thing at home unless you're actually going somewhere hazardous, because there are pricks out there in the normal course of life that will make you LONG to shoot them.

farking_texan:1. Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.2. Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.3. Checking up on your precious snowflake doesn't give you a valid excuse to ruin the moviegoing experience for other people. Take it outside.4. Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.5. A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilzed manner in a public place? Douchenozzle. Not deserving of death, but douchenozzle.6. A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilized manner in a public place. Douchenozzle.

This was great Pro-AM quality for sure. 7.89/10. One point deducted for not getting away with an obvious trigger word but one point awarded for 93.5% event recap distortion in a believable way.

the guild may- MAY have a letter for you in the morning. No promises, but keep up the good work.

xanadian:Begoggle: Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

10/10I like how you have as many "smart" votes as "funny" votes.

Yeah, that post was a thing of beauty, and got a lot of bites.

In fact, my posting was an attempt to employ the technique known as "sarcasm", with no intention of it being interpreted as a sincere sentiment or expression of belief. Evidently, I have yet to master this technique.

CrazyCracka420:Generation_D: It appears if you are a cop, or a wannabe cop, Florida is your paradise these days.

All you need is

1) A gun

2) An attitude

The shooting gallery is open, time to go hunting!

Note: fans of civilization that doesn't resemble Beirut in the 1980s, Somalia today or perhaps a very populated Old West, might want to just skip Florida entirely.

Let the inbreds and the senile battle it out.

Actually the "Wild West" had stricter gun control laws, and a lot less firearm deaths (at least that they documented, I suspect some people get killed and were buried in the desert without a trace...so the numbers may be skewed). I read that the most firearm deaths in any year, was 4 in Tombstone, the year of the OK Corral gun fight. Most frontier towns averaged 2 firearm deaths a year (again, this is something I read, so take with a grain of salt unless you want to do your own research).

He's an old bully who is accused of harrassing other movie patrons with his pet peeve (CNN's top headline now). He got in someone's face after he couldn't get him thrown out (left the theater in a huff, returned in a huff without an employee) and pisses off the victim. Victim stands up for himself, throws popcorn and old man shoots, hitting both the wife and the husband.

This all happened during the previews. The movie was not even running yet. Guy had a big chip on his shoulder and panics when someone doesn't cower to his badge-less posturing. Charge him with murder and attempted murder, take away his toys and lock him up. Then throw more popcorn at him.

/(retired) Cops are not above the law, they are supposed to uphold it. yada yada, broken record.

when the movie starts.2. Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater when the movie starts.3. Checking up on your precious snowflake doesn't give you a valid excuse to ruin the moviegoing experience for other people. Take it outside. Unless the movie hasn't started, in which case, fair game.4. Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater when the movie starts.5. A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilzed manner in a public place? Douchenozzle. Not deserving of death, but douchenozzle.6. A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilized manner in a public place. Douchenozzle.

FTFY. But yeah, it's rude to throw popcorn. That shiat has fake butter all over it and will stain your clothes.

1. Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.2. Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.3. Checking up on your precious snowflake doesn't give you a valid excuse to ruin the moviegoing experience for other people. Take it outside.4. Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.5. A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilzed manner in a public place? Douchenozzle. Not deserving of death, but douchenozzle.6. A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilized manner in a public place. Douchenozzle.

Dimensio:This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

ikanreed:Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

Can I participate in the dogpile on you too, or are you good?

The joke, as it is constructed, is not merely in that police officers (both active and retired) are often regarded by major firearm restriction advocates as being more "trustworthy" to carry firearms when in public, but also in that federal law explicitly allows both active and retired law enforcement to carry concealed firearms in every state (with limited exceptions) regardless of state laws regarding the carrying of concealed deadly weapons, thus making Florida's "shall-issue" concealed weapons permit statute irrelevant to the shooter's legal ability to carry a firearm.

Dimensio:This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

This is either a brilliant and subtly sarcastic observation, given the fact that the shooter in this case actually is a retired law enforcement officer, or it's really dumb.

Dimensio:Generation_D: Trivia Jockey: vpb: The problem is that all he has to do is claim that he was afraid and he is good. It doesn't matter if he actually had a reason to be afraid, it just matters that he was.

That's not true. Although I hate SYG, it doesn't just require a subjective feeling of fear. It requires a showing of reasonableness.

"Here's the thing," said Bob Dekle, legal skills professor at Levin. "It's not whether or not you're in fear. If the standard about shooting were fear that would give cowards carte blanche. The question is was there reasonable fear, was the fear reasonable?"

Yeah, but that's the logic Invader Zimm used when the Scary Black Kid was Walking and Talking on the Cell Phone in a threatening manner, wearing a hoodie and carrying skittles.

You are correct. That Mr. Zimmerman also reported being pinned to the ground and repeatedly punched in the face by Mr. Martin was in no way a part of his legal defense.

Yes, making up multiple lies was part of his defense, not just one lie. Let's be fair.

Nabb1:Trivia Jockey: shanrick: Is it too soon to talk about popcorn control?

Yes, let's talk reasonable butter limits.

That shiat they put on movie popcorn is not butter. It's like an industrial lubricant made out of the most powerful cholesterol known to man.

I worked at a movie theatre as a poor college student. Had a '77 Dasher that burned oil like a motherfarker.

I have to admit that in some bleaker moments of poverty, in those darkest "hey, what's the worst that couId happen" musings, I seriously considered tapping off some of that free "butter" for the Dasher when I would have to choose between food or a few quarts of 10W40.

factoryconnection:Generation_D: Yeah, but that's the logic Invader Zimm used when the Scary Black Kid was Walking and Talking on the Cell Phone in a threatening manner, wearing a hoodie and carrying skittles.

That worked because (a) Zimm was injured by Trayvon Martin and (b) the other witness in that case was a corpse.

In this case you have the injured wife, the cop's wife, the off-duty sheriff that disarmed the shooter, the nurses that tried to save the victim's life, et cetera. The lawyer is using "Stand Your Ground" because it is all he's got to defend his crazy client that shoots people in movie theaters.

Also victim is a clean-cut white guy. That really doesn't help the defense's case. Maybe if he had some tattoos or a long hair they'd have a case.

Generation_D:Trivia Jockey: vpb: The problem is that all he has to do is claim that he was afraid and he is good. It doesn't matter if he actually had a reason to be afraid, it just matters that he was.

That's not true. Although I hate SYG, it doesn't just require a subjective feeling of fear. It requires a showing of reasonableness.

"Here's the thing," said Bob Dekle, legal skills professor at Levin. "It's not whether or not you're in fear. If the standard about shooting were fear that would give cowards carte blanche. The question is was there reasonable fear, was the fear reasonable?"

Yeah, but that's the logic Invader Zimm used when the Scary Black Kid was Walking and Talking on the Cell Phone in a threatening manner, wearing a hoodie and carrying skittles.

You are correct. That Mr. Zimmerman also reported being pinned to the ground and repeatedly punched in the face by Mr. Martin was in no way a part of his legal defense.

Trivia Jockey:vpb: The problem is that all he has to do is claim that he was afraid and he is good. It doesn't matter if he actually had a reason to be afraid, it just matters that he was.

That's not true. Although I hate SYG, it doesn't just require a subjective feeling of fear. It requires a showing of reasonableness.

"Here's the thing," said Bob Dekle, legal skills professor at Levin. "It's not whether or not you're in fear. If the standard about shooting were fear that would give cowards carte blanche. The question is was there reasonable fear, was the fear reasonable?"

Yeah, but that's the logic Invader Zimm used when the Scary Black Kid was Walking and Talking on the Cell Phone in a threatening manner, wearing a hoodie and carrying skittles.

Nabb1:Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.