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It's like a well oiled machine.

I dunno. I think it will be Asterix. She really has nothing to do, and zero emotional connection to this storyline. I love the character, but if there's anyone who's just filler at this point, it's Asteroid.

And yes, thank you for the dedicated Talkback. Much appreciated. And also anger-making, as i'm going to be traveling and not get to see this episode when it airs. Can anyone tell me how/where I can catch it online later tonight? Does such a thing exist?

What they've done with Broyles is basically the reason I've gone off Fringe in the last couple years. Lance Reddick is an awesome actor and that scene where 'our' Broyles is confronted by his alternate's dead body in season 3 is awesome. Unfortunately due to the Peter reset of season 4 there's never been any follow up to it. If they killed him off again it wouldn't hold the same weight as before because he's basically a new character now. Same for Astrid to a certain extent.
But yeah it's definitely one or the other. Can't see them killing Etta but I suppose it could be September...
Enjoying Fringe this year but it seems completely disconnected to the show of the first 3 years...

I've been waiting for a proper Astrid story and she's basically done nothing in the first 3 episodes. Where's her meltdown or reaction to finding out everyone she knew other than the Bishops is dead? This is the prefect opportunity to give her a real, meaty storyline of her own. Be proper gutted if they chose to kill her off instead.
But really it's bound to be her or Broyles right? Not exactly a long list if candidates

True, although if they do kill off ether i would bet (hopefully) the episode would be a majorly revolve around said character. Kind of like the episode where they killed off Alternate Broyles (in season 3) revolved around him with his son being kidnapped by the sugarman.

Well they did have Broyles touch a little on his feelings of seeing his alternate dead in the animated episode when he was stoned he made some comments about his feelings. truth be told hes a retty stoic character and wouldn't have revealed anymore of hi feelings otherwise.

Thught e that it would be Broyles or Astrid but this one hit hard. Should be interesting where they go next, but it makes sense, its now paired down to the core original group for the final 9 or so episodes.

Just arrived at my shitty hotel and need to figure out how to watch this episode - which I managed to spoil for myself already. Not seeing how time travel will be a solution in a battle against time travelers, but I have just spent the past four hours in the car with the wife and kid squawking nonstop all the way, so I'm not thinking clearly anyway. Gonna try to find his episode online. Any pointers greatly appreciated.

Now that that part is closed I'm curious and excited to see what the focus on the 2nd chapter (episodes 5 - 8) will focus on?!?!?!?! I'm betting that its going to be them gathering the pieces of the machiene and rebuilding themselves as a family unit/healing themselves and the 3rd chapter will be their final offence against the Observers. I was curious as to why they kept reruning the park flashback in a million different ways ahn why no September or other flashbacks. I bet that maybe chapter 2 will focus on September (in the flashbacks) helping them as they enact the plan in the Future.

...at least that tree people episode felt like a slight nod to Asimov's Foundation, with an entire population built for the purpose of preserving history as a whole.
It's too bad that the tree peoples' real intentions weren't as awesome as Foundation's.

thats not was was said, but it would have been a real spoiler other wise.
Dammit. i guess death is inevitable being the final season. sucks though.
actually the Broyles reunion was actually quite touching.
damm. i'm going to miss this series.

It could be as simple as the Fauxlivia Peter child did not have the ability to block them from reading her mind due to the Cortexaphan in the real Olivia's blood.
Without that ability, she would never have been able to get them out of the amber.

I hope to see that actress a lot more in the future. Gorgeous and she did a nice job with the part. I can't believe there are only 9 episodes left. I agree that time travel is what September gave them, at the end Peter and Olivia will be back in our time period with their child by their side.

But I agree with time travel being the equation that they found in the subway. I can see the final scene of the series being Peter and Olivia back in the park with the young version of daughter on the day she was taken by the Observers. This time, an Observer materializes and it's September - telling them something similar to "this timeline is unwritten, make the most of it."

I was quite surprised it wasn't Broyles who died. Etta's death had a real impact on the characters, and the viewers. I have long suspected time travel will be the key to stopping the Observers. I also think that other universe is going to be a key part of the plan. When they mentioned the purple red vines candy in the lab a few weeks ago, and Walter did not remember switching from red, I knew the other side was involved. Color has played such an important role in the storytelling process of this show, that such a simple thing like that had to indicate something. My guess is that the Walternate is helping them somehow. Our universe ultimately saved theirs, and now they will repay the favor. The emphasis on the bullet also reinforces this theme, as that bullet saved both worlds, not just ours. I am truly looking forward to seeing where it all ends up.

I need to see this episode. I hope Captain Skidmark gets severely beaten by an LSD-rage fueled Walter. I wonder if the machine will enable September to return from wherever he has been the past few episodes, or if he's dead from some past event.

Anyone else see that spray painted waaay up high on the pillar where the team met with Broyles (up higher than the average graffiti artist could reach).
Had to be one of their foreshadowing hints. Any ideas what it could mean?

Did we ever get a complete explanation about The First People? I know it was theorized that Walter and the rest of our main cast might be them, sent back millions of years into the past. I may have to rewatch some old episodes to refresh on all the Sam Weiss stuff. I was wondering if that could be part of their ultimate plan to defeat the Observers.

Joshua Jackson wrote a really great 3 part comic called Beyond the Fringe that details his adventure of hiding the parts and then September explaining how to choose differently when he got into the machiene again along with why he was sacrificing himself.

It was cool seeing the old 'gas that causes your mouth eyes and ears to seal up' again.
Thought it was going to be Broyles getting killed. Big shock it being Etta. I think they're definitely going to introduce time travel this year, Peter will use the machine to restore the timeline somehow. The only thing wrong this season is the ongoing story, so Walter had a plan to save the world, but he recorded it on separate videotapes that he stored in the lab (again separately, for some reason) and then stored other pieces elsewhere, but then ambered the lab? I don't get why it's so complicated...
Why separate the plan onto different tapes and then keep them in the same place? It just seems drawn out just to fill a few more episodes. It's a minor complaint cuz the performances and everything else are so good though. Man, how good was that scene with Broyles and Captain whatshisname? I could watch Lance Reddick doing pained stoicism all day. Awesome.
I hope they do manage a sort of time jump later this season as it opens up possibilities for cameos from some of the other characters. And it would be cool if the alt universe was worked back in somehow. But yeah, having your daughter abducted, missing her whole childhood and early adult life, only to be reunited and then see her get killed is pretty dark, surprised they went there.

I really hope that we get a few episodes back in the present so that we can get a few final cases in the present again just for old times sake. It would be cool also if we get another 80's flashback episode thats deals with Peter and Olivia's childhood. Maybe one dealing with Walter's wifes suiside or Peter's conman days, but if not I'll still be happy.
I agree though that they need to let us see the alt world at least one more time since there was such a big deal made about how the two worlds are united.

He knew where that scroll was and a few things about the machine pieces and a few other things, but yes he didn't know as much as was lead to believe. The Beyond the Fringe comic had Peter meeting up with Sam Wiess'es ancestor and giving him information and the scroll or something when Peter was bouncing around time hiding pieces of the machine.

I think they could have had some better dialogue moments between Etta and Olivia... Like five minutes scenes just discussing whatever questions Etta had. Or maybe she didn't have too many questions because she's moved on, don't know.
But yeah good casting... I didn't like her much at first, but did totally accept her as Olivia's daughter in the end

From Season Two? How is he going to fit in? He was adopted by human parents, right? Was he mistakenly dropped here in the present time frame? Was he sent back twenty years before the Occupation for some reason? September seemed to know who he was. No mention since. He would be of age in this timeline. I hope he comes into play and is not forgotten, as his origin story, in that one episode was sorta awesome. I'd be ever so impressed if the creators planted something so early on that would come to flourish in this last season.

Who was the man that Olivia nonchalantly said would kill her when they were searching for her through her own mind (remember, the animated man with an X on his shirt?). That seemed a little too important to just forget...

I am surprised you guys are so easy to please. Fringe had so much potential but lost its identity or what is wanted to be about a long time ago.
The cast has kept us coming back hoping for decent writing and we keep hoping and it never happens. Storylines are developed and abandoned as if it never happened. Who is the villain...who are the villains are never established with certainty and that has finally gotten the show cancelled.
There was a chance to make a nice followup to the season when Peter disappeared. What did we get? A season full of crap seemingly written as the episodes were due, with no connectivity with the previous seasons. Not in a good way anyway. Relationships have been sacrificed for twists which werent necessary, as the Fringe lore was complex enough.
You know you have watched every episode but you wonder if you missed a few as you cant see how you got here or why the story needed to go there. I guess the people who make this series just wanted to move on..and so I am disappointed.

Totally unpredictable, totally reinventing itself over and over and over and becoming what it is today--just downright glorious, beautiful storytelling with some of the most nuanced and enjoyable characters to ever be seen on tv. And when its over, there will be a void in my life.

I actually read an interview with the showrunner saying that they were thinking of trying to work in the child Observer from season 1. I also really hope that they do!
As for the guy that was supposed to kill Olivia a lot of people are wondering about him, hopefully thats something that they pay off also.

Are you talking about the X guy from 3x19 (the cartoon episode)? I figured that was Walternate in the season 3 finale.
With all that has happened to the Fringe crew, I think killing Etta off is enough.
I'm hoping we get a Observers takeover flashback episode. The September episode has to be coming up, too.
William Bell anyone? ZFT? So many cool things to bring back. Just 9 episodes left!

No the X guy was just a storyline that hasn't yet (or might never) get picked up (just like the season one storyline about some mob guys still trying to get Peter or his debt to Nina) While it would be nice if they answered the Mr X thing, its not going to be a big deal if they don't, since as you said theres still a lot going on.
I agree that we most likely get an Observer taking over flashback ether in the second arch 5 - 8, or the third 9 - 13. Since the 1st revolved around Etta, I would bet that 2 revolves around September and 3 revolves around the Fringe team or something?
As for William Bell I would be that he returns somehow since Walter cut his hand off when he was in Amber.

why not series finale it with September and a time travel story which takes them back to when Etta was a child so that they can defeat The Observers and everyone lives happily ever after?
That would make me happy.

I believe by Bell in the finale? So at the very least were going to get a flashback and then maybe be brought back to life in the future?

Nov. 2, 2012, 12:14 a.m. CST

by skiprat1

I suspect this Talkback is dead, but I'm curious... at any point has September revealed his motivation for helping Peter and co? Are other observers on September's side? I re-watched 5.01 and 5.02 today, and they were so much better the second time. Funny how that happens. Did September explain exactly why he wanted to help during the episode where Peter went inside his mind?