Oh brother don't throw fuel on the Redskins-"We will dominate"-fire at this point. They'll come out swinging in the offseason after they overpay some FAs like they do every year and when they actually get lucky and make the playoffs, they'll come out with dynasty talk the next year.

Oh brother don't throw fuel on the Redskins-"We will dominate"-fire at this point. They'll come out swinging in the offseason after they overpay some FAs like they do every year and when they actually get lucky and make the playoffs, they'll come out with dynasty talk the next year.

Let them stay in their graves until after the Super Bowl at least.

I don't recall ever talking dynasty talk. You're clearly putting words into every redskin fans mouth. That would make a liar and an asshole.

Oh brother don't throw fuel on the Redskins-"We will dominate"-fire at this point. They'll come out swinging in the offseason after they overpay some FAs like they do every year and when they actually get lucky and make the playoffs, they'll come out with dynasty talk the next year.

Let them stay in their graves until after the Super Bowl at least.

I don't recall ever talking dynasty talk. You're clearly putting words into every redskin fans mouth. That would make a liar and an asshole.

Sounds like someone is a little sour in the pants after being dead wrong about how good his team was going to be this year.

Funny, you think you would be good at it by now.....

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From what? His leg?

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That leg has had it out for him since day 1.

"We're the quiet guys, the guys before the storm. And then we hit you."

If redskins fans talk about how its their year to win the SB again this offseason after they sign another round of washed up FAs, Im going to flip a brick.

It should be clear to everyone by now that their system of "success" is a complete failure. Im tired of them being perennial SB contenders because they get a bunch of washed up FAs, and ESPN churns the hype about how great theyre gonna be and how Gibbs is so awesome.

Anyone with some common sense knew that Carter wouldn't do JACK for them, and Arch was a downgrade this past offseason, and that Randle El was a 25 million dollar slot receiver and Lloyd S UCKS. Yet we had to hear all offseason about how those moves would bring them to the promised land. Give me a break. If we go through this again, Im going to go nuts in the offseason.

Out of all NFC teams especially on these boards the skins are the least hyped, and you can't say every year the media calls us super bowl contenders it was just this past year and with common sense it was reasonable. A team who was a quarter from the NFC championship who's biggest weakness was the recieving corps added 2 good recievers, no one could have said that the same exact defense from last year would play so poorly, and that Brunell would be so bad, to say that going into this year the skins weren't a superbowl contender would be idiotic. Common sense tells me that when a top NFC team from the year before adds better players that they have a good chance at it.

Out of all NFC teams especially on these boards the skins are the least hyped, and you can't say every year the media calls us super bowl contenders it was just this past year and with common sense it was reasonable. A team who was a quarter from the NFC championship who's biggest weakness was the recieving corps added 2 good recievers, no one could have said that the same exact defense from last year would play so poorly, and that Brunell would be so bad, to say that going into this year the skins weren't a superbowl contender would be idiotic. Common sense tells me that when a top NFC team from the year before adds better players that they have a good chance at it.

But did they really add better players? Think about that. Carter is nothing special at all. Arch is a downgrade. Randle El as a receiver is mediocre. Lloyd is a bust, he had 1 highlight catch last year and he's an upgrade?

The truth is they downgraded themselves. They implemented an offensive system that doesn't fit their personnell, their aging qb got a year older, they downgraded their defense with Arch. There was no upgrades, only downgrades.

The biggest mistake was taking Gibbs offense away from him. Al Saunders is big time overrated. Gibbs used his parts better. Santana is invisible in Saunder's scheme, its a joke. I don't care if his playbook is 900 pages long, because apparantley its 900 pages of checking down to Laddell Betts.

All of us here are not the casual fan, while the casual fan could maybe see a SB in Washington this year, none of us who actually know the team and personnell honestly felt that way. I said theyd be bottom of the division before all this happened, and Im right.

Hey my 85 Corolla is still strong and running don't underestimate minor upgrades. Also based on TC what were you basing your bashing Al Saunders on, other than NFC East Homerism?

Remember the "Truths" thread I made? I thought from judging the personnell, and the philosophy itself, that Saunder's "schemes" were overrated. Im not a fan of setting up the run with the pass and the spread offense style. I also noticed that Saunder's "genius" in KC took a dramatic dip when Roaf was gone for a short time. Anyone can look like a guru when all they do is tell LJ to run offtackle behind Roaf to the left, or pull right with Willie Shields leading the way and Tony Richardson as lead blocker.

I felt that Gibbs style of run run PA pass, and screens with Moss fit your personnell better. And I still feel that way. Give the offense back to Gibbs, and I guarantee you see an increase in production.

EDIT: I like Toyota, and you may not know this, but the 85/86 Corolla is actually a cult car, and is a famous drift car. If you spiffy it up you'll have yourself a cult car. Look up the ae86 Toyota corolla if you don't believe me. Your car is wanted by a lot of people out there.

Hey my 85 Corolla is still strong and running don't underestimate minor upgrades. Also based on TC what were you basing your bashing Al Saunders on, other than NFC East Homerism?

Remember the "Truths" thread I made? I thought from judging the personnell, and the philosophy itself, that Saunder's "schemes" were overrated. Im not a fan of setting up the run with the pass and the spread offense style. I also noticed that Saunder's "genius" in KC took a dramatic dip when Roaf was gone for a short time. Anyone can look like a guru when all they do is tell LJ to run offtackle behind Roaf to the left, or pull right with Willie Shields leading the way and Tony Richardson as lead blocker.

I felt that Gibbs style of run run PA pass, and screens with Moss fit your personnell better. And I still feel that way. Give the offense back to Gibbs, and I guarantee you see an increase in production.

EDIT: I like Toyota, and you may not know this, but the 85/86 Corolla is actually a cult car, and is a famous drift car. If you spiffy it up you'll have yourself a cult car. Look up the ae86 Toyota corolla if you don't believe me. Your car is wanted by a lot of people out there.

Thanks for the info my mechanic was offering $800 I was gladly gonna take it but I didn't have another car at the time.[/b]

Actually, the correct answer is either a) the Falcons first rounder in exchange for their own, plus their 3rd round pick, and their 5th-7th rounders or b) their own 1st rounder and their 5th-7th picks.

Depending on where they finish in relation to the Falcons, that could change a little bit. But the most likely case is that their 1st round pick will be in the 7-13 range, and that they will swap with the Falcons, who will likely be in the 18-25 range. If that happens, then a) will be the result. If Washington somehow miraculously finishes in front of Atlanta, then b) will happen. However, if they finish fairly close together, like, say, Washington at 14 and Atl at 16, then there are other shades of grey that will come into play. As far as I know, those haven't been fully explained yet, but you get the general idea. This is all the result of the Duckett, Lelie, (Washington pick) trade that went down right before the season began.

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That leg has had it out for him since day 1.

"We're the quiet guys, the guys before the storm. And then we hit you."

Actually, the correct answer is either a) the Falcons first rounder in exchange for their own, plus their 3rd round pick, and their 5th-7th rounders or b) their own 1st rounder and their 5th-7th picks.

Depending on where they finish in relation to the Falcons, that could change a little bit. But the most likely case is that their 1st round pick will be in the 7-13 range, and that they will swap with the Falcons, who will likely be in the 18-25 range. If that happens, then a) will be the result. If Washington somehow miraculously finishes in front of Atlanta, then b) will happen. However, if they finish fairly close together, like, say, Washington at 14 and Atl at 16, then there are other shades of grey that will come into play. As far as I know, those haven't been fully explained yet, but you get the general idea. This is all the result of the Duckett, Lelie, (Washington pick) trade that went down right before the season began.

Depending on how each team fares this season, the two teams also could wind up swapping first-round picks, but only if Washington is scheduled to pick between No. 21 and No. 31 and Denver's first-round draft position is even higher. Unlikely, though not impossible.

Under that scenario, Denver also could get Washington's fourth-round pick in 2008 or the Redskins' third-round pick in 2007.

Actually, the correct answer is either a) the Falcons first rounder in exchange for their own, plus their 3rd round pick, and their 5th-7th rounders or b) their own 1st rounder and their 5th-7th picks.

Depending on where they finish in relation to the Falcons, that could change a little bit. But the most likely case is that their 1st round pick will be in the 7-13 range, and that they will swap with the Falcons, who will likely be in the 18-25 range. If that happens, then a) will be the result. If Washington somehow miraculously finishes in front of Atlanta, then b) will happen. However, if they finish fairly close together, like, say, Washington at 14 and Atl at 16, then there are other shades of grey that will come into play. As far as I know, those haven't been fully explained yet, but you get the general idea. This is all the result of the Duckett, Lelie, (Washington pick) trade that went down right before the season began.

Depending on how each team fares this season, the two teams also could wind up swapping first-round picks, but only if Washington is scheduled to pick between No. 21 and No. 31 and Denver's first-round draft position is even higher. Unlikely, though not impossible.

Under that scenario, Denver also could get Washington's fourth-round pick in 2008 or the Redskins' third-round pick in 2007.

Do your Research!!!

Why would you trade a 3rd round pick for TJ Duckett, and not even use him? Why would you trade a 3rd round pick for Duckett at all anyway???
Since the Redskins don't seem to place a high premium on draft picks, I don't think they'll be successful.

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Actually, the correct answer is either a) the Falcons first rounder in exchange for their own, plus their 3rd round pick, and their 5th-7th rounders or b) their own 1st rounder and their 5th-7th picks.

Depending on where they finish in relation to the Falcons, that could change a little bit. But the most likely case is that their 1st round pick will be in the 7-13 range, and that they will swap with the Falcons, who will likely be in the 18-25 range. If that happens, then a) will be the result. If Washington somehow miraculously finishes in front of Atlanta, then b) will happen. However, if they finish fairly close together, like, say, Washington at 14 and Atl at 16, then there are other shades of grey that will come into play. As far as I know, those haven't been fully explained yet, but you get the general idea. This is all the result of the Duckett, Lelie, (Washington pick) trade that went down right before the season began.

Depending on how each team fares this season, the two teams also could wind up swapping first-round picks, but only if Washington is scheduled to pick between No. 21 and No. 31 and Denver's first-round draft position is even higher. Unlikely, though not impossible.

Under that scenario, Denver also could get Washington's fourth-round pick in 2008 or the Redskins' third-round pick in 2007.

Do your Research!!!

Why would you trade a 3rd round pick for TJ Duckett, and not even use him? Why would you trade a 3rd round pick for Duckett at all anyway???
Since the Redskins don't seem to place a high premium on draft picks, I don't think they'll be successful.

It's really quite the mystery.. however, Duckett busted out a 12 yard run against philly and then we never saw him the rest of the day. I think he'll start seeing the ball more now that Portis is on the IR (obviously)

As per the last part, i think that idea has been stated at least 1,000 times seriously. If you'd like a response to it just go did up some past thread, there's liable to be hundreds.

Actually, the correct answer is either a) the Falcons first rounder in exchange for their own, plus their 3rd round pick, and their 5th-7th rounders or b) their own 1st rounder and their 5th-7th picks.

Depending on where they finish in relation to the Falcons, that could change a little bit. But the most likely case is that their 1st round pick will be in the 7-13 range, and that they will swap with the Falcons, who will likely be in the 18-25 range. If that happens, then a) will be the result. If Washington somehow miraculously finishes in front of Atlanta, then b) will happen. However, if they finish fairly close together, like, say, Washington at 14 and Atl at 16, then there are other shades of grey that will come into play. As far as I know, those haven't been fully explained yet, but you get the general idea. This is all the result of the Duckett, Lelie, (Washington pick) trade that went down right before the season began.

Depending on how each team fares this season, the two teams also could wind up swapping first-round picks, but only if Washington is scheduled to pick between No. 21 and No. 31 and Denver's first-round draft position is even higher. Unlikely, though not impossible.

Under that scenario, Denver also could get Washington's fourth-round pick in 2008 or the Redskins' third-round pick in 2007.

Do your Research!!!

Thank you for the contempt. I'm glad to see that you're taking all that losing so well.

Contrary to your professed understanding of this deal, terms have not been officially announced. This is merely Adam Schefter's understanding that you are reporting. If you know anything about the media and Schefter himself, you know that he is one of the least credible sources out there.

All that is actually known is that the deal depends upon the final record of the two teams. It was my bad on confusing the Falcons and the Broncos, so you're right there. Just had a little bit of a brain-blip, but no biggie. I can give you plenty of other sources that do not indicate anything regrarding the no.21 or better finish that Schefter is reporting as being the benchmark. Also, I remember an ESPN report at the time of the trade that explicitly mentioned the possibility of swapping first round picks even in the event of Washington holding a top 10 and the Broncos holding a late 20s early 30s pick.

... the Broncos compensation wont be determined until the end of the season. The scenarios: (1) The Redskins and Broncos swap 2007 first-round picks; (2) the teams swap 2007 first-round picks and the Broncos receive a third-round pick; (3) the teams swap 2007 first-round picks and the Broncos get a 2008 fourth-round selection; (4) the Broncos get a 2007 third-round pick and a 2008 fourth-round pick.

I wouldn't count on Schefter as being the final authority on any behind-the-scenes info, if I was you. That would be a bad choice of affiliations. But then, I am talking to a Redskins fan....

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He was protecting his self

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From what? His leg?

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Originally Posted by Paranoidmoonduck

That leg has had it out for him since day 1.

"We're the quiet guys, the guys before the storm. And then we hit you."

Actually, the correct answer is either a) the Falcons first rounder in exchange for their own, plus their 3rd round pick, and their 5th-7th rounders or b) their own 1st rounder and their 5th-7th picks.

Depending on where they finish in relation to the Falcons, that could change a little bit. But the most likely case is that their 1st round pick will be in the 7-13 range, and that they will swap with the Falcons, who will likely be in the 18-25 range. If that happens, then a) will be the result. If Washington somehow miraculously finishes in front of Atlanta, then b) will happen. However, if they finish fairly close together, like, say, Washington at 14 and Atl at 16, then there are other shades of grey that will come into play. As far as I know, those haven't been fully explained yet, but you get the general idea. This is all the result of the Duckett, Lelie, (Washington pick) trade that went down right before the season began.

Depending on how each team fares this season, the two teams also could wind up swapping first-round picks, but only if Washington is scheduled to pick between No. 21 and No. 31 and Denver's first-round draft position is even higher. Unlikely, though not impossible.

Under that scenario, Denver also could get Washington's fourth-round pick in 2008 or the Redskins' third-round pick in 2007.

Do your Research!!!

Thank you for the contempt. I'm glad to see that you're taking all that losing so well.

Contrary to your professed understanding of this deal, terms have not been officially announced. This is merely Adam Schefter's understanding that you are reporting. If you know anything about the media and Schefter himself, you know that he is one of the least credible sources out there.

All that is actually known is that the deal depends upon the final record of the two teams. It was my bad on confusing the Falcons and the Broncos, so you're right there. Just had a little bit of a brain-blip, but no biggie. I can give you plenty of other sources that do not indicate anything regrarding the no.21 or better finish that Schefter is reporting as being the benchmark. Also, I remember an ESPN report at the time of the trade that explicitly mentioned the possibility of swapping first round picks even in the event of Washington holding a top 10 and the Broncos holding a late 20s early 30s pick.

... the Broncos compensation wont be determined until the end of the season. The scenarios: (1) The Redskins and Broncos swap 2007 first-round picks; (2) the teams swap 2007 first-round picks and the Broncos receive a third-round pick; (3) the teams swap 2007 first-round picks and the Broncos get a 2008 fourth-round selection; (4) the Broncos get a 2007 third-round pick and a 2008 fourth-round pick.

I wouldn't count on Schefter as being the final authority on any behind-the-scenes info, if I was you. That would be a bad choice of affiliations. But then, I am talking to a Redskins fan....

You're saying his sources aren't reliable and then you bust out PFW? That's hilarious.