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Call it whatever you want, does it make it right? I donít justify that 2 americans were killed in Mexican soil, itís wrong. But crying over 2 while the USA kills illegal immigrants left and right itís a bit hypocritical.

I am sure the guys who killed only those 2 Americans had many reasons to do so as well.

Itís like USA going to the Middle East to find weapons of mass destruction with the goal of having world peace while the USA are the ones who create this weapons and sell them to their very own enemy.

Then you should acknowlegde crimes committed over here by people who snuck in illegally from over there.

Not just one link, but many. Children, elders, men, women, etc. killed by the border patrol and citizens. Illegal aliens can do bad things, sure, but US customs are no angels. Here you go:

Incidents of Border Patrol use of force
According to Rodolfo AcuŮa, Professor Emeritus of Chicano Studies at California State University, "Mexico's Ministry of Foreign Affairs reported 117 cases of human rights abuses by US officials against migrants from 1988 to 1990, including fourteen deaths. During the 1980s, Border Patrol agents shot dozens of people, killing eleven and permanently disabling ten."

In May 2000, an illegal immigrant was shot in the shoulder by a border patrolman near Brownsville, Texas, and died later from the wounds.

On May 28, 1994, MartŪn GarcŪa MartŪnez was shot by a Border Patrol agent at the San Ysidro port of entry. He died on July 3 as a result of his injuries.

On May 2010, a recently deported Mexican migrant died after a Customs and Border Protection officer shocked him with a stun gun at the San Ysidro border crossing.

On June 2010 , a 15-year-old Mexican citizen was shot to death on the Mexican side of the border near El Paso, Texas. The U.S Border Patrol reported that the officers responded to a group of suspected illegal immigrants who where throwing rocks at them.

Vigilante killings
According to Time Magazine, in the first half of 2000, three immigrants have been killed and seven others have been wounded in showdowns on the U.S. side of the border. In 2000, the United Nations opened an investigation into vigilante killings of migrants crossing Mexico's border with the USA, dispatching a senior UN investigator to the border country close to where Sam Blackwood, a 74-year-old rancher, was charged with killing Eusebio de Haro, an unarmed Mexican he tried to subdue for the border patrol and fatally shot in the back of the thigh after pursuing him a quarter mile down the road in his truck.

Intentional killings
On February 8, 2007, four gunmen of unknown nationality opened fire on a truck carrying illegal immigrants in the Ironwood Forest National Monument, killing two men and a 15-year-old girl. The incident was covered on the front page of every major newspaper in Mexico City.

International consequences
The deaths have caused tension between the United States and other countries, particularly Mexico and the countries of Central America, from where a majority of illegal immigrants that enter the United States through the Southwestern borders come. Foreign consulates across the Southwest United States, in particular those of Latin American countries, have condemned the deaths of illegal immigrants across the border.

Call it whatever you want, does it make it right? I don’t justify that 2 americans were killed in Mexican soil, it’s wrong. But crying over 2 while the USA kills illegal immigrants left and right it’s a bit hypocritical.

I am sure the guys who killed only those 2 Americans had many reasons to do so as well.

It’s like USA going to the Middle East to find weapons of mass destruction with the goal of having world peace while the USA are the ones who create this weapons and sell them to their very own enemy.

Depends on whether the reason for killing someone is valid or not. You don't seem to know the difference.

By the way, this is the illegal immigration forum so your last paragraph is off topic.

Call it whatever you want, does it make it right? I don’t justify that 2 americans were killed in Mexican soil, it’s wrong. But crying over 2 while the USA kills illegal immigrants left and right it’s a bit hypocritical.

and all the US citizens killed in their own country by those here illegally are just collateral damage of looking for a better life right?

You illegal apologists never cease to amaze me with your blind rhetoric

and trust me you do not want us to start posting examples of the killings perpetrated by MEXICAN border officials on their southern border............

Call it whatever you want, does it make it right? I donít justify that 2 americans were killed in Mexican soil, itís wrong. But crying over 2 while the USA kills illegal immigrants left and right itís a bit .

I am sure the guys who killed only those 2 Americans had many reasons to do so as well.

Itís like USA going to the Middle East to find weapons of mass destruction with the goal of having world peace while the USA are the ones who create this weapons and sell them to their very own enemy.

Then you should acknowlegde crimes committed over here by people who snuck in illegally from over there.

I'm sure this guy had his reasons too, he was probably coming over here looking for a better life, right?
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Exactly. Same reason why I acknowledged that illegal immigrants are bad. But to hear the USA crying over 2 guys who got killed across the border while keeping it quiet when they kill all those who jump the fence is a bit hypocritical.

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Originally Posted by chicagonut

So you obviously don't know the difference between "target practice" and LE exercing their right to enforce the law and to defend themselves from initial attacks?

Ooooh ok, so now you do accept that many who jump the fence are killed, right? Good. How about the car that had children and some hillbilly drove up to the car and killed everybody in there including the children because they were illegally in the country? Is that practicing your right? that’s just one example of many Americans who “practiced their right to enforce the law”.

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Originally Posted by mkfarnam

I'm not calling it anything. Your calling it "payback".

When it comes to hypocracy, speak for yourself.

Nope. I admitted how wrong it is for illegal immigrants to break the law. Heck, I even support the whole Arizona law or whatever it is called! It’s the common American attitude of “You shouldn’t do wrong, but I can” that is known around the world. “You can’t kill only 2 guys who cross the border to Mexico but its fine if we kill way more than just 2…It is fine for us to create weapons of mass destruction and even sell them to you but you can’t have them so give them back to us…” no wonder Americans are not liked around the world. Go to Europe, Central America, South America, Middle East, Asia, etc. And tell them you are American and see how they react compared to someone saying that they are, say, from Japan or Mexico. Is it right for people to be biased against the USA, I don’t think so. Not because a country is known for acting as a bully, international moral police, etc. it means their citizens are all bad but what can we do? The USA also does good things. Oh well.

Exactly. Same reason why I acknowledged that illegal immigrants are bad. But to hear the USA crying over 2 guys who got killed across the border while keeping it quiet when they kill all those who jump the fence is a bit hypocritical.

Ooooh ok, so now you do accept that many who jump the fence are killed, right? Good. How about the car that had children and some hillbilly drove up to the car and killed everybody in there including the children because they were illegally in the country? Is that practicing your right? that’s just one example of many Americans who “practiced their right to enforce the law”.

Nope. I admitted how wrong it is for illegal immigrants to break the law. Heck, I even support the whole Arizona law or whatever it is called! It’s the common American attitude of “You shouldn’t do wrong, but I can” that is known around the world. “You can’t kill only 2 guys who cross the border to Mexico but its fine if we kill way more than just 2…It is fine for us to create weapons of mass destruction and even sell them to you but you can’t have them so give them back to us…” no wonder Americans are not liked around the world. Go to Europe, Central America, South America, Middle East, Asia, etc. And tell them you are American and see how they react compared to someone saying that they are, say, from Japan or Mexico. Is it right for people to be biased against the USA, I don’t think so. Not because a country is known for acting as a bully, international moral police, etc. it means their citizens are all bad but what can we do? The USA also does good things. Oh well.

Exaggerations and lies such as "But to hear the USA crying over 2 guys who got killed across the border while keeping it quiet when they KILL ALL those who jump the fence is a bit hypocritical" does nothing to lend credibility to your arguments and neither does bringing up incidental incidents such as some hillbiilly incident. And don't put words in my mouth I never said that many are killed that jump the fence either. Those are your views, not mine. The Border Patrol has the right to use violent force if they are being threatened by an illegal alien such as those who throw rocks at them.

Just what is your trip in here? Seems like your mission is to demonize this country for one thing or another while throwing in an occasional compliment. I will repeat again that this is the illegal immigration forum not the "let's bring up the bad things about the U.S." forum. Take it elsewhere.

We don't "kill all those that cross the border", where are you getting this? You are being quite the hypocrite yourself, should we take a look at the dangers faced by those crossing illegally into Mexico on it's southern border, or should we just ignore that? Quick question, should the US treat it's illegals the same way Mexico does? yes or no.

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