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yfm wrote:Please note that these are my own beliefs and not any one else.

If you have faith, then you believe in the existence of Allah. Therefore you believe that HE is the final judge. When we are in trouble or distressed we turn to HIM because we believe HE is HERE!

When it came to who was the right DAI, both contenders turned to the Human Judge. But Allah, the Almighty is the supreme judge. By removing one and leaving the other, I believe Allah made the judgement as who the right Dai IS. Is there any doubt now who the right DAI is?

Regards,

I agree with Kimanu on this. The death of a person is no judgment on his veracity!!! This is the most ridiculous argument I have heard. Kimanu's argument regarding Imam Hussain is spot on.

I guess your feelings are mutual too. However, feelings that are induced when you seek the light are not the same as when you seek darkness. Can those feelings ever be mutual. Only with those of like minds which we differ on.

Just spurring with you as a cat does with a mouse that it does not fit to be devoured.

1) one who really thinks these kotharis are holy and they follow religiously
2) they sing ghanu jivo for personal gains they get their boti and roti by some means and by helping kotharis
3)people who dont care about mufadal and his pillas but they just want to be in community for family reasons and they dont even open mouth but watches every thing silently.
4)people who dont care about mufadal and his pillas but they just want to be in community for family reasons but they do open mouth when needed and try to educate people.
5) they where paying and following but now their ejamaat card and other shiit are seized and they are totally out of fold. and they dont care any more.

Just want to know where you fit in those above sections? Or are you in a separate section all together since All men are equal but some are more equal than others like YOU.

yfm wrote:Please note that these are my own beliefs and not any one else.

If you have faith, then you believe in the existence of Allah. Therefore you believe that HE is the final judge. When we are in trouble or distressed we turn to HIM because we believe HE is HERE!

When it came to who was the right DAI, both contenders turned to the Human Judge. But Allah, the Almighty is the supreme judge. By removing one and leaving the other, I believe Allah made the judgement as who the right Dai IS. Is there any doubt now who the right DAI is?

Regards,

Brother yfm,

On this, I agree with oo53 and kimanumanu too. In my mind there are several more "lessons" to be learnt and "similarities" between what happened to Imam Husain and what is happening right now in our community. Maybe, at some time I will put my thoughts on paper.

Peace.
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On another note, anybody has any update on the December 21st court hearing?

In general, if any legal person can explain as to how the legal system works, it would be helpful. For example, what do these terms mean, what does it mean for the status of the case, etc. When SKQ sahib passed away, the kothar made a big issue that the legal challenge was over. Does this now mean that the court is continuing with the case? Thanks in advance for your time; I appreciate it.

Chasing legal route is endless in India. By the time verdict comes, Muffy maula too may have been gone and fight will remain between successors of their own camps or who know there would be further splits in them as well.

humanbeing wrote:Chasing legal route is endless in India. By the time verdict comes, Muffy maula too may have been gone and fight will remain between successors of their own camps or who know there would be further splits in them as well.

I understand that it may take a long time, but how else do you suggest a civil person goes about making his claim? I mean, if somebody takes something from a person, and he is a gunda/thug, he resorts to violence. Alternatively, a civil person will take the legal route. So to that extent, I don't blame SKQ sahib (and now STF) for that.

dal-chaval-palidu wrote: I understand that it may take a long time, but how else do you suggest a civil person goes about making his claim? I mean, if somebody takes something from a person, and he is a gunda/thug, he resorts to violence. Alternatively, a civil person will take the legal route. So to that extent, I don't blame SKQ sahib (and now STF) for that. In addition, they should do dawa, and IMHO they are trying.

Bohra community and its related properties are developed on basis of faith. Anyone who claims to own that faith can have the ownership of the properties. There is no scientific/lineage claim of inheritance of these properties.
This is a number and manipulation game. SMB and SMS camp played well in both and actively took care of legal formalities, while SKQ woke up from the slumber to make sensational claim and now running to courts for making amends.
SKQ is going to court for restricting SMS camp from owning up bohra properties and not for the title of DAI.
More saner option is to do dawah vigorously and increase the number of followers and build another empire to rule on. There are enough fools out there ! and fatemi dawat is doing that. Court case is one such strategy to show their followers they are valiantly fighting for justice and the follower’s faith is in safe hands.
In general, SKQ was and STF is not restricted to visit dargaahs of duaats legally. Security can be taken care of, they are rich and influential enough. But have they visited ? have they gone into SMS abde dens and promoted their true version of bohraism ? Yes ! they are gonna face a mountain of hurdles and threats but that would be so much better. Shock and aww will keep SKQ camp alive in people’s minds. This is the time, to prove the heroics of bohra dai to the likes of Qutbuddin Shaheed, Babji maula etc. Time to show jalal of imam-uz-zaman.

Surely enough SKQ is applying all positive vibed strategies of education, medical, housing etc. for goody good followers .. the majority is enchanted with SMS circus .. if SKQ camp cares for the bohra herd then he needs to go out there and wake these sheeps up with loud thuds. Imam-uz-Zaman gave these DAIs one job to keep the herd intact while he is chilling in seclusion. Atleast the true dai should work hard at that. Atleast keep bohra as one bohras .. converting (dawa) to non bohras is far fetched and not advised.

In an article related to succession dispute on this website, Mr. Ismail K Poonawala says (last sentence on the first page) that both the SMS and SKQ were cross examined. Is that correct? Does anyone know if SMS was cross examined?

yfm wrote:"Let there arise out of you a band of people inviting to all that is good enjoining what is right and forbidding what is wrong; they are the ones to attain felicity". (surah Al-Imran,ayat-104)

yes sure there will be people and there are people who are inviting towards good and forbidding from evil.

but those who live ayyash live and make India and America daily tours on people funds dont qualify for these.

ask your leader to tone down, strip off prince and princess titles, cut down on show bazi and then do the real dawat.