Sergey Brin's Double-Standard: Google Happy To Keep Censoring Results For These Other Governmentshttp://www.businessinsider.com/google-censorship-2010-3/comments
en-usWed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 -0500Tue, 31 Mar 2015 17:26:14 -0400Nick Sainthttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4d2a7b81ccd1d52773360000bbdwkikikSun, 09 Jan 2011 22:22:41 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4d2a7b81ccd1d52773360000
Entirely different: Censoring results for years, shifting course for entirely unrelated reasons, and then vilifying competitors who don't jump on the bandwagon. (Though, of course, completely Google's prerogative.) But it's particularly hypocritical when Google is still happily censoring its search and YouTube products for other countries.
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Excuse me, what LAW do you mean, US LAW or China LAW?
I think the china government's point is censorship is mandatory because it is required by local LAW.
Try to persuade them to amend or change their LAW first. Copycat of US LAW is welcome, LOL...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bb0e5327f8b9a5029130500howardMon, 29 Mar 2010 13:36:50 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bb0e5327f8b9a5029130500
I dont know where you got your list, but to be fair and to tell the truth, I live in China and can tell you many sites you mentioned are always well accessbile.
I visit CNN, BBC, Telegraph(UK), guardian(uk), FT.com(uk), NYtimes, Washingtonpost, LATimes, CSMonitor, Huffingtonpost, bloomberg, foxnews, reuters, Time and newsweek frequently;
I buy many books from Amazon and Dangdang;
I visit the US government and thinktank websites (whitehouse, the hill, dod, cia, heritage, foreignaffairs, etc.) for some useful information;
I have accounts on msn, yahoo, and google, so I can chat with my friends when online;
I do business with IT companies like IBM, Microsoft, Oracle, Cisco, HP, EMC, Intel and Quancomm, and often visit their web sites to check updates;
I also have accounts on facebook, youtube, blogspot and wordpress, but now these sites are blocked in mainland China. :(http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bb0c7357f8b9a420ca00100MikeMon, 29 Mar 2010 11:28:53 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bb0c7357f8b9a420ca00100
It is the ironic that the company that is doing the most harm in dumbing down information and killing off newspapers is taking this stance.
Somehow Google will save the Chinese people and if we can't liberate the poor Chinese, and only Google can, the world may topple. This seems to be their argument. Google is one of many search engines and last I checked the Chinese are quickly buying large swaths of the US economy and prospering quite well on their own.
Maybe the censorship that Google has been imposing on the US for the last 10 years is the problem, the Chinese seem to be doing fine for themselves from where I sit.
This is all a PR stunt by Google because there is only one real issue here - page views. Google needs more pages to put ads on, they don't make any of the content we are speaking about and I can hardly see why they would care to comply with local laws, we have plenty of stupid ones here in the USA. I could see a content provider being upset that their content is not displayed to a big audience but Google makes no content. Google has given us all this free crack (in this case it is information and not a drug) and convinced us that if we don't have immediate access to their advertisement filled knowledge that we will somehow wither as a race. Luckily the Chinese aren't buying this load of bs that we bought in the US.
Google has trampled over privacy and intellectual property worse than anyone. Their anti-competitive dumping has killed or severely impacted many industries and they have zero self restraint. Their marketing says that they are somehow the source of eternal knowledge and truth and not taking a bite of their apple is sacrilegious. It is pure arrogance and I'm glad that China is sticking up to the arrogant bullies at Google. The US should follow suit and get serious about protecting intellectual property rights and small businesses that Google destroys with their anti-competitive practices. Germany stood up to Google as well and soon the newspaper industry will before they are completely destroyed.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4baf4f427f8b9ab7736f0000Fritz BSun, 28 Mar 2010 08:44:50 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4baf4f427f8b9ab7736f0000
All censorship happens because of fear. The old Marxism/Leninism/Maoism political philosophy is doomed and the Chinese leaders know it.
All they are doing is frantically rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. The rise of the middle class will spell the end of the PRC.
Next up for certain extinction: Islamic Wahhabism and sharia law.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4badcc267f8b9a2874c90d00Think AgainSat, 27 Mar 2010 05:13:09 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4badcc267f8b9a2874c90d00
Whats up with you brin? Still censoring???http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bad7a827f8b9aff724f0000DorkmanFri, 26 Mar 2010 23:24:50 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bad7a827f8b9aff724f0000
Why the hell so many ppl still dont understand the censorship in China is beyond the LAW?
That's not filtering; its totalitarianism's media control.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bad7a217f8b9ada61960300ChrisFri, 26 Mar 2010 23:23:13 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bad7a217f8b9ada61960300
Sergey Brin is a Jew. The bullying he experienced in the United States because of his language difficulties would have been nothing compared to what he would have experienced in Russia in the late 70's and 80's.
This will not change.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bad2f087f8b9a7869970200moussaoui ahmedFri, 26 Mar 2010 18:02:47 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bad2f087f8b9a7869970200
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wow now! I am american, and I entirely agree with you: Censorship is Censorship . Please don't paint all americans as ignorant. There are more than a few that aren't.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacf7de7f8b9aff61620000RogerFri, 26 Mar 2010 14:07:26 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacf7de7f8b9aff61620000
The holier than thou position of Google is so hypocritical. Google, unlike Microsoft, has this corporate structure such that the founders control the voting shares EVEN if they are not the majority shareholders. How's it that much different thinking from a dictatorship. The premise of a dictatorship is that the ruler believe they know better than the commoners and they are entitled to do whatever they feel is "right". So, let's get off the high horse! To be critical of Microsoft of not backing up Google in this censorship matter. Microsoft is not choir-boy. But Google is just being hypocritical.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacf3347f8b9add0fb00600JimFri, 26 Mar 2010 13:47:32 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacf3347f8b9add0fb00600
I bet he remembered the humiliation by kids at school in the states when he grew up here. Those could be some experience for him as a young immigrant. In psychology, this kind of humiliation makes him hate the place where he comes from even though he could not remember a thing.
I met a guy who also immigrated from Russia at a young age. He told me that at 7 years old, he refused to speak Russia at home after he got taunted at school by US kids. Later on after he became an adult, he realized that it was just a natural reaction for him at the time, and he should not forget about his past.
I am sure when Sergey gets older, he will change as well.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacf2757f8b9a2312850400alessandroFri, 26 Mar 2010 13:44:21 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacf2757f8b9a2312850400
Of course there are, and, as also Gates (which is not really my kind of "hero") said "China's censorship is really limited". The ways to overcome it are numerous, easy and cheap. And anyway, it's better to know that exists some censorship (the chinese government never denied it, as some other "free and democratic" government has instead done) and be prepared to overcome it, than to firmly believe (as so many, too many, people in the west do) that we're free, that media are free, objective and impartial and so on, and be fooled so easily.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacf0a27f8b9aab13bf0000JimFri, 26 Mar 2010 13:36:34 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacf0a27f8b9aab13bf0000
I am currently sitting in an apartment in Shanghai. I have no problem in getting on whitehouse.gov and other sites except usa.com. This guy alphadirected is a liar. He made the list up. He just humiliated himself in front of everybody.
By the way, I am very puzzled by google's decision. People still get tons of information even if some sites or words are filtered. There are also many ways of getting around it if people are really interested in those information.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bace8097f8b9afc09e00500AlessandroFri, 26 Mar 2010 12:59:53 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bace8097f8b9afc09e00500
Come on, it's time to put a stop at BS..I'm currently living in BJ (i'm not chinese) and I've just lost a few minute checking ur supposed list of "blocked sites"..of the 10 sites u listed only 2 (usa.com and whitehouse.gov) are really blocked..I didn't have any problem opening each one of the other sites (vatican.va included) from my home, and I have a normal connection.
I don't see why people has to bullshit this much on these issueshttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacdf667f8b9a1e06780100Martin RustebergFri, 26 Mar 2010 12:23:02 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacdf667f8b9a1e06780100
whilst i object google’s censorship, particularly in societies that consider itself otherwise open democracies, the censored search results in germany and france (don’t use other localized versions) clearly mark that search results have been removed – when using a non-censoring version these results are then shown in that country, opposite to search results in china where the URL’s in question are simply blocked by the province’s proxy servers.
so, for me it is absolutely fine to make the search for illegal content less easy as long as people are made aware of it and can find other legal and accessible means to access that (still possibly illegal) information.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacd92a7f8b9a836a5d0700dadoFri, 26 Mar 2010 11:56:26 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacd92a7f8b9a836a5d0700
try to search information about ETA in Spain...no chance...censored...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacd6377f8b9a537d4c0200Nick SaintFri, 26 Mar 2010 11:43:51 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacd6377f8b9a537d4c0200
"To be fair, many of the censorship requests Google honors are far less objectionable than China's, which are overtly aimed at silencing dissent."
From the article you're commenting on.
I don't approve of Germany's laws, and I wouldn't play ball if I were Google, but Google has every right to do it.
What it can't do is paint itself as a champion of free speech, villify its competitors, and expect not to get called out on it.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacd5067f8b9a8572cc0e00modelportfolio2003Fri, 26 Mar 2010 11:38:45 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacd5067f8b9a8572cc0e00
@Nick. Off topic but related to Google/Android. Did you see following post earlier today and in view of what SAI has been saying negatively about the Nexus One, does it suprise you? I happen to love the SIM free approach and direct to consumer model of Google for the Nexus One as it does away with the long term contract lock-in and monthly cancellable contracts:
Here is link: http://socialmediaseo.net/2010/03/26/google-nexus-one-outsells-iphone/
Suggest you stick with technology assessment and not political articles about Google. This story, if true, is hot news for SAI.
comment?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacd40a7f8b9a105cfa0700modelportfolio2003Fri, 26 Mar 2010 11:34:34 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacd40a7f8b9a105cfa0700
@alphadirected
Sad but true about China. Despicable actions that in another era we would describe Microsoft as an apologist or appeaser.
By the way, on you list was Cisco.com which is reported to have supplied the equipment that allows the Chinese to operate the Great Firewall. Talk about the pursuit of the almighty dollar?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacd3d67f8b9a686a330300real analystFri, 26 Mar 2010 11:33:42 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacd3d67f8b9a686a330300
its multiple clicks that are the problem.
why do we need to click to view them all as one... just have them in the post.
Sure this increases pageviews, by a factor of 10, but the least amount of due diligence will reveal that hitting a certain pageview quota will get you more money per click but less actual clicks. I will never click on a sponsored ad on this site.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4baccead7f8b9a465bb20900Yuhong BaoFri, 26 Mar 2010 11:11:41 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4baccead7f8b9a465bb20900
Some good news on this:
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/03/google-tells-australia-its-net-filters-go-way-too-far.arshttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacce2f7f8b9a185c9e0200Get RealzFri, 26 Mar 2010 11:09:35 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacce2f7f8b9a185c9e0200
Censorship is censorship.
It is quite presumptuous (and characteristically American) for you to decide what content is "acceptable" to censor and what isn't.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4baccbb37f8b9a42696c0300rightonFri, 26 Mar 2010 10:58:59 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4baccbb37f8b9a42696c0300
I can't believe in Brin's story about his bad experience in Soviet Union before he was age 6 therefore
Google has to leave China.' This is so full of BS. I like to find out exact details of what he
remembers about Soviet Union. I left my country (very repressive one in South East Asia) at age 13
and I don't remember the house I live in, or the friends I had.
So Brin, tell us exactly what you remember.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacc8a27f8b9a436fa50500alphadirectedFri, 26 Mar 2010 10:45:54 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacc8a27f8b9a436fa50500
Please...
This is such an unsophisticated argument. Grow up Nick. If you're going to be provocative, then at least be intelligent about it...
Google censors violent Neo-Nazi and anti-Semitic groups in Germany. In China you can't even pull up the existence of well known PRC ministries. It's if they don't exist.
Just a few Websites China blocks.
whitehouse.gov
washingtonpost.com
hotmail.com
vatican.va
stern.de
apple.com
usa.com
skype.com
amazon.com
cisco.com
A few blocked keywords.
brutal torture
democracy
sino russian border
student federation
tiananmen (anything)
evil
oppression
despotism
Take a look a this graphic prepared by Informationisbeautiful.
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2010/01/what-does-china-censor-online.gif
Not even close...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacc8747f8b9ade6eb80700JamesFri, 26 Mar 2010 10:45:07 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacc8747f8b9ade6eb80700
Nick, don't forget Saudi. I am here right now and it sucks how much they censor.
Also, stop with the slideshows. It would have been so easy to just list those....http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacc83e7f8b9a6e68990500muzuzuFri, 26 Mar 2010 10:44:12 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacc83e7f8b9a6e68990500
This article is a steaming pile of you know what. I don't even know why I read this site anymore. In fact I'm booting it from Twitter right now.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacbe8d7f8b9a656a490300Get RealzFri, 26 Mar 2010 10:02:53 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacbe8d7f8b9a656a490300
Yea, Microsoft is the friend who will tell you to screw off to your face.
Google is the guy who is all smiles with a goody two-shoes facade, but will stab you in the back as soon as it's in their best interest.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacbe177f8b9a40675d0300Joey ZazaFri, 26 Mar 2010 10:00:55 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacbe177f8b9a40675d0300
WTF, how is this bleacher material??
You guys censor worse than Google.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacbe017f8b9ab566a10500Nick SaintFri, 26 Mar 2010 10:00:33 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacbe017f8b9ab566a10500
You can click to view our features as one page if you prefer.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacbdde7f8b9a8159cf0300HamFri, 26 Mar 2010 09:59:58 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacbdde7f8b9a8159cf0300
I have a feeling SAI will mysteriously lose some SEO points after this post ;)http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacbd997f8b9aca59950200GarbanzoFri, 26 Mar 2010 09:58:49 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacbd997f8b9aca59950200
Stop with the damn slide shows for every post that has multiple items! I know it's Henry's way to drive traffic, but it's highly user unfriendly and your peer companies aren't nearly as slideshow heavy.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacbd807f8b9ad46afc0200Get RealzFri, 26 Mar 2010 09:58:24 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacbd807f8b9ad46afc0200
Yea, Microsoft is the friend who will tell you to fuck off to your face.
Google is the guy who is all smiles with a goody two-shoes facade, but will stab you in the back as soon as it's in their best interest.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacbc5e7f8b9adc66780400TomFri, 26 Mar 2010 09:53:34 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bacbc5e7f8b9adc66780400
Google treads where Microsoft for all its greed never and that is, challenging a government. Which is more sinister? Microsoft makes Google look like a pedophile priest. I choose Microsoft over Google as my buddy anytime.