The rapture draws closer each day as Obama pushes America closer to facism, socialism and a one world government/new world order. :(

PhinPhan1227

04-05-2009, 01:18 AM

Didn't Jesus say he "would come as a thief in the night"? So if the man didn't want people to know when the rapture was coming....why do so many people think they know when the rapture is coming?

Dolphin39

04-05-2009, 11:25 AM

Didn't Jesus say he "would come as a thief in the night"? So if the man didn't want people to know when the rapture was coming....why do so many people think they know when the rapture is coming?

He also told us the signs that would be taking place. So one could argue he wanted people to have some idea of his return. :hi5:

Locke

04-05-2009, 02:54 PM

As someone who is not religious in the slightest, I have no idea what is mean by rapture. I know what the word means, but it seems like it has a different connotation in this case. Can someone explain it to me? Thanks...

Tetragrammaton

04-05-2009, 02:58 PM

How can one possibly be fascist and socialist at the same time? I know Glenn Beck said it, and that is all the validity that anyone could ever need, but can you explain someone can be far-left and far-right at the same time?

If the rapture is coming soon, why are we wasting time on an Internet forum? Don't we all have some sinning to do?

tylerdolphin

04-05-2009, 02:59 PM

The return of Jesus. While Jesus was alive I believe he mentioned returning after his death. Then after he was crucified he appeared to his disciples and told them he would return again someday for his followers.

I think the rapture is followed by 7 years of tribulation for all the non-believers left on Earth.

Marino613

04-05-2009, 03:08 PM

How can one possibly be fascist and socialist at the same time? I know Glenn Beck said it, and that is all the validity that anyone could ever need, but can you explain someone can be far-left and far-right at the same time?

If the rapture is coming soon, why are we wasting time on an Internet forum? Don't we all have some sinning to do?

I slightly disagree. I don't think fascism necessarily indicates the far right as we understand left and right today. Fascists are generally, for example, not theocracies (at least historically).

AS to the connection between Fascism and Socialism, while there are some major differences, and frankly I have yet to see definition of fascism that actually applies to all forms of governments that were called fascist (there was a great article about it recently I have to find), Hayek's the road to serfdom does cover the connection.

We can of course discuss this during the 7 years of tribulation which you an atheist, and me a somewhat confused, Jewish, Buddhist agnostic, will definitely be facing.

Locke

04-05-2009, 03:17 PM

The return of Jesus. While Jesus was alive I believe he mentioned returning after his death. Then after he was crucified he appeared to his disciples and told them he would return again someday for his followers.

I think the rapture is followed by 7 years of tribulation for all the non-believers left on Earth.

Ah, OK that makes sense. What are some of the signs that Jesus is coming back that have already been witnessed...?

tylerdolphin

04-05-2009, 03:22 PM

Ah, OK that makes sense. What are some of the signs that Jesus is coming back that have already been witnessed...?
Vague stuff like wars, rumors of wars, famines, natural disasters, diseases and stuff. Basically stuff that has always been happening as far as I can tell.

Locke

04-05-2009, 03:23 PM

Vague stuff like wars, rumors of wars, famines, natural disasters and stuff. Basically stuff that has always been happening as far as I can tell.

Ah, OK. Thanks again.. :up:

Tetragrammaton

04-05-2009, 03:37 PM

I slightly disagree. I don't think fascism necessarily indicates the far right as we understand left and right today. Fascists are generally, for example, not theocracies (at least historically).

AS to the connection between Fascism and Socialism, while there are some major differences, and frankly I have yet to see definition of fascism that actually applies to all forms of governments that were called fascist (there was a great article about it recently I have to find), Hayek's the road to serfdom does cover the connection.

We can of course discuss this during the 7 years of tribulation which you an atheist, and me a somewhat confused, Jewish, Buddhist agnostic, will definitely be facing.

Well, neither ideology really fits into the spectrum. While the ideology of socialism is far left in both economic and social policy, with emphasis on individual rights and communal ownership, the socialism that detractors refer to is usually Stalinism, where the government is authoritarian and resources are under central government control. Fascism is equally authoritarian, but the economics are somewhere between Keynesianism and central planning. Simply put, Stalinism and fascism are both on the same authoritarian scale, but you cannot be both.

The political compass explains it a lot better than I can. Both political parties in the United States are closer to fascism than they are to socialism.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/test

emeraldfin

04-06-2009, 07:08 AM

The G-20 summit has concluded and we are closer conditionally to the rapture of the Church than ever before. Under the cover of darkness, buried behind a gigantic international stimulus package, the International Monetary Fund has been given regulatory power over the U.S. economy - a step that paves the way both to our nation's sovereignty ending and the creation of a new world order. Did you know that leaders within the European Union - the revived Roman empire of Bible prophecy the prophesied Antichrist will lead in the Tribulation Period to come - are the force behind the IMF?

:sidelol:

Revived Roman Empire? Antichrist?

Bit harsh is'nt it, considering the EU has never taken hostile action against a nation nor does it even have an army.

Dolphan7

04-07-2009, 02:56 AM

The return of Jesus. While Jesus was alive I believe he mentioned returning after his death. Then after he was crucified he appeared to his disciples and told them he would return again someday for his followers.

I think the rapture is followed by 7 years of tribulation for all the non-believers left on Earth.Pretty close.

The rapture does indeed happen, but there are three schools of thought as to when in Daniels 70th week (the 7 years) it happens.

1. Pre-tribulation says that we will be raptured at the beginning of the 7 years.

2. Mid-trib says just that - in the middle.

3. Post-trib says we will live though all the 7 years, the last three being the worst mankind will ever see.

I hope it is number 1.

In either case...I am ready.:up:

Dolphan7

04-07-2009, 02:59 AM

:sidelol:

Revived Roman Empire? Antichrist?

Bit harsh is'nt it, considering the EU has never taken hostile action against a nation nor does it even have an army.You can take over the whole world if you can control the entire money supply. With that money, you can buy every standing army on the planet.

emeraldfin

04-08-2009, 04:51 AM

You can take over the whole world if you can control the entire money supply. With that money, you can buy every standing army on the planet.

True, but all EU nations have entered into the union willingly, not because of force. Also any agreement by the US and EU is done so mutually, so there is no comparison to the Roman Empire.

Jimi

04-08-2009, 05:08 AM

One thing ive always wondered about the rapture id love some to clear up .. If the antichrist knows Jesus will come and defeat him, why will he still come to Earth knowing full well he will be struck down?

Dolphan7

04-08-2009, 11:47 AM

One thing ive always wondered about the rapture id love some to clear up .. If the antichrist knows Jesus will come and defeat him, why will he still come to Earth knowing full well he will be struck down?Foolish Pride? To take as many people with him as he can? Hoping God will stumble at some point, which is foolish thinking.

All of the above?

Dolphan7

04-08-2009, 11:53 AM

True, but all EU nations have entered into the union willingly, not because of force. Also any agreement by the US and EU is done so mutually, so there is no comparison to the Roman Empire.What you state is how things are today, but things can change over time. Think how the whole world is slowly moving toward more globalization - of money, of currency, of economies etc....

The Bible prophesy mentions there will be ten regions that will report or be under the influence and control of the anti-christ.

The EU fits in perfectly with that notion, as well as the North American Union, and the African Union, the Asian Union etc.....

It is all coming together. That I think is the revived Roman Empire, not just the EU.

But the fun thing about prophesy, it is meant to conceal, not reveal, so we could all be wrong. But it is interesting to see how this all unfolds before our very eyes.

emeraldfin

04-10-2009, 05:54 AM

What you state is how things are today, but things can change over time. Think how the whole world is slowly moving toward more globalization - of money, of currency, of economies etc....

The Bible prophesy mentions there will be ten regions that will report or be under the influence and control of the anti-christ.

The EU fits in perfectly with that notion, as well as the North American Union, and the African Union, the Asian Union etc.....

It is all coming together. That I think is the revived Roman Empire, not just the EU.

But the fun thing about prophesy, it is meant to conceal, not reveal, so we could all be wrong. But it is interesting to see how this all unfolds before our very eyes.

Interesting you make the point about globalisation. I think globalisation is actually the one thing that will bring the planet closer to the communitarian state Jesus looked for. We will never reach the utopian state that political philospohers have searched for since the time of Ancient Greece. But a united planet is acheievable.

Maybe I am being nieve. But one thing I will say is that 60 years ago after WWII, nobody in Europe would have expected France and Germany to be now strong partners in a political union. Amazing considering these two nations despised each other and fought continously.

I really do think that any nation that enters into a political union is looking for peace and to bring economic stability/growth to their nation. Unlike previos political alliances, there is no one ruling country or ruler.

It could work either way. All these poitical unions may well end up waring with each other, but guess we will have to wait and see.

Dolphan7

04-10-2009, 11:27 AM

Interesting you make the point about globalisation. I think globalisation is actually the one thing that will bring the planet closer to the communitarian state Jesus looked for. We will never reach the utopian state that political philospohers have searched for since the time of Ancient Greece. But a united planet is acheievable.

Maybe I am being nieve. But one thing I will say is that 60 years ago after WWII, nobody in Europe would have expected France and Germany to be now strong partners in a political union. Amazing considering these two nations despised each other and fought continously.

I really do think that any nation that enters into a political union is looking for peace and to bring economic stability/growth to their nation. Unlike previos political alliances, there is no one ruling country or ruler.

It could work either way. All these poitical unions may well end up waring with each other, but guess we will have to wait and see.
Just to take this to the next logical step. If the anti-christ is to rule the world, it will be a lot easier to take over 10 regions of economic and political and monetary power, than to overtake 250 or so nations. From that aspect globalization is simply the inroad to eventual loss of complete autonomy in world affairs as a nation, replace by things like the EU. Imagine Germany wanting to declare war these days. It would have to be through the EU. See where this is going?

emeraldfin

04-11-2009, 09:06 AM

Just to take this to the next logical step. If the anti-christ is to rule the world, it will be a lot easier to take over 10 regions of economic and political and monetary power, than to overtake 250 or so nations. From that aspect globalization is simply the inroad to eventual loss of complete autonomy in world affairs as a nation, replace by things like the EU. Imagine Germany wanting to declare war these days. It would have to be through the EU. See where this is going?

Even though I have not read the Book of Daniel or Book of Revelation, I have to say I find this subject very interesting. Unfortunetly because I'm studying the moral and ethical teachings of the New Testament and Jesus Christ I just do not have the time.

Let me ask you does the rapture have to be an invention of man (like war) or can it be casued naturally (asteroid, earthquakes, volcanoes)?