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Legal orders are far from my area of expertise, but it strikes me immediately that the 'new' filing linked to above is from a month ago. I wouldn't be amazed if things had moved along significantly since then.

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Legal orders are far from my area of expertise, but it strikes me immediately that the 'new' filing linked to above is from a month ago. I wouldn't be amazed if things had moved along significantly since then.

It was entered this morning May 11, 2018.

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Say, remember a few days ago a poster made reference to Avenatti's reckless conduct?

Well a letter motion has just been filed in the case pending before Judge Kimba Wood asking for a protective order due to the confidentiality concerns of two victims of the disgraced NY AG. What are those concerns based on? The "reckless behavior of Mr. Avenatti."

Please enjoy the motion linked within and let your friends know that you knew about his reckless behavior days ago...

It's likely that Trump was talking about either the original payment to Daniels or whatever private arbitration they tried to go through. In the actual filed case, ,Clifford v. Trump, et al.,, Cohen doesn't seem to appear as Trump's lawyer. His LLC is a named party and that LLC has appeared by a different attorney altogether.

Once again - with Trump as with Giuliani's statements - timelines have been kept vague. I believe it's being done purposefully to confuse the issues. But Essential Consulting's financial records (now in the hands of the FBI and at least in part in the hands of Daniels' lawyer) will eventually provide an inarguable timeline.

Cohen signed the original NDA. There's a line for Trump that went unsigned.

There was nothing vague about it until Trump got into his denial twisties.

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Let this serve as formal notice - there is significantly more evidence and facts to come relating to Mr. Cohen's dealings and Mr. Trump's knowledge and involvement. You can come clean now or wait to be outed. Your choice. We have only just begun...#Basta

"Let this serve as formal notice" says a guy posting on twitter! Oh man, what a *********** clown this guy is.

Considering that vast amount of trouble that Cohen is in, then I seriously doubt that he will give your opinion any import.

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I'm so glad Stormy Daniels happened. This is...this is just the best. Watching Trump supporters come out of their shoes to defend Trump is amazing. Pathetic, but amazing.

Labeling a lawyer as grandstanding, when Trump grandstands about eating *********** breakfast is so funny I'm literally crying. In fact, this has been the only thing that orange ******* hasn't grandstanded about. The fact that Trump not being able to keep his dick in his pants is going to be his downfall is just awesome. I love this thread.

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Mueller's team must be livid that people are leaking confidential records to this grandstanding jackass.

Maybe.

Or they could be Ambivalent, since Mueller and his team seem to be approaching the investigation in a professional attitude and is unlikely to be distracted by outside media attention that the leaks would cause.

Or they could be quite happy about the leaks, since they think it may apply political pressure to prevent the investigation from ending early. (Harder to justify ending an investigation for being a "witch hunt" when people are seeing the existence of real, live witches.)

I'm so glad Stormy Daniels happened. This is...this is just the best. Watching Trump supporters come out of their shoes to defend Trump is amazing. Pathetic, but amazing.

Labeling a lawyer as grandstanding, when Trump grandstands about eating *********** breakfast is so funny I'm literally crying. In fact, this has been the only thing that orange ******* hasn't grandstanded about. The fact that Trump not being able to keep his dick in his pants is going to be his downfall is just awesome. I love this thread.

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It's like watching a movie. The way two subplots, the porn star coverup and the Russia scandal, becoming intertwined is pure brilliance. Top that off with the Evangelicals supporting the most morally bankrupt president imaginable and we really have a winner. Pass the popcorn.

Or they could be Ambivalent, since Mueller and his team seem to be approaching the investigation in a professional attitude and is unlikely to be distracted by outside media attention that the leaks would cause.

Or they could be quite happy about the leaks, since they think it may apply political pressure to prevent the investigation from ending early. (Harder to justify ending an investigation for being a "witch hunt" when people are seeing the existence of real, live witches.)

I am certain that the Mueller team is very concerned by the leaks, because I am certain that we are going to start hearing about tainting the potential jury pool, and leaks of any sort are an anathema to the an orderly investigation. There are already calls to shut Mueller down and now we have a gibbering jackass who is so over the top and so unconcerned with things like not exposing the financial records of innocent people and actually filing motions that his antics could upset the whole apple cart.

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Or they could be Ambivalent, since Mueller and his team seem to be approaching the investigation in a professional attitude and is unlikely to be distracted by outside media attention that the leaks would cause.

Or they could be quite happy about the leaks, since they think it may apply political pressure to prevent the investigation from ending early. (Harder to justify ending an investigation for being a "witch hunt" when people are seeing the existence of real, live witches.)

I am certain that the Mueller team is very concerned by the leaks, because I am certain that we are going to start hearing about tainting the potential jury pool, and leaks of any sort are an anathema to the an orderly investigation. There are already calls to shut Mueller down and now we have a gibbering jackass who is so over the top and so unconcerned with things like not exposing the financial records of innocent people and actually filing motions that his antics could upset the whole apple cart.

I am certain that the Mueller team is very concerned by the leaks, because I am certain that we are going to start hearing about tainting the potential jury pool, and leaks of any sort are an anathema to the an orderly investigation. There are already calls to shut Mueller down and now we have a gibbering jackass who is so over the top and so unconcerned with things like not exposing the financial records of innocent people and actually filing motions that his antics could upset the whole apple cart.

Lies. Plain and simple. But expected i guess.

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I am certain that the Mueller team is very concerned by the leaks, because I am certain that we are going to start hearing about tainting the potential jury pool, and leaks of any sort are an anathema to the an orderly investigation. There are already calls to shut Mueller down and now we have a gibbering jackass who is so over the top and so unconcerned with things like not exposing the financial records of innocent people and actually filing motions that his antics could upset the whole apple cart.

And Avenatti has absolutely nothing to do with the Mueller investigation at all. They haven't supported or condemned him, as far as I know. Is there anything to say the opposite?

The calls to shut Mueller down are by Trump supporting congress critters that are more concerned about licking his boots than the investigation. No one cares what they say, and if Trump fires Mueller I have no doubts **** will hit the fan.

If Mueller was worried, he'd say something. Since he hasn't I'll just chalk this up as nonsense.

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Again, I was referring to the motion for entry of protective order to which he has no standing to object.

Not to speak for Steve, but it appears he understands what you're saying.

I am certainly curious what that means and how it's important? Care explaining it in your lawyerly lingo? If he can't object and it goes through, then what? If he does object and it goes through, then what? If the judge doesn't grant it without an objection, then what? You see where I'm going with this. Remember to show your work!

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No, I linked to the order that gave the lawyer leave to file a memorandum of law in further support of his motion for a protective order, which pending motion Avenatti does not have standing to object to.

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EXACTLY! Mr. Hit and Run is the unfettered power of the United States Government and the right turn on red people are the ones at the target end of that long spear, and now that Government is leaking information for the sole purpose of swaying potential jurors? Despicable.

"Innocent-until-proven guilty is a conceit of the judicial system." I assume that is one of those Poe things that people were talking about seeing as how we are ONLY talking about the judicial system here? If so, well played.

So much BS. There is no evidence that suggests that the government is leaking information. There are private citizens at financial institutions that have access to the SARs database. There is also no evidence that suggests the leaks have been made to influence a jury.

What is despicable is your nonsense diversion from the obvious corruption.

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No, I linked to the order that gave the lawyer leave to file a memorandum of law in further support of his motion for a protective order, which pending motion Avenatti does not have standing to object to.

Yes you did. A procedural order. Now, why would Avenatti care?

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EXACTLY! Mr. Hit and Run is the unfettered power of the United States Government and the right turn on red people are the ones at the target end of that long spear, and now that Government is leaking information for the sole purpose of swaying potential jurors? Despicable.

If that were the analogy, then the Deep State would be acting in a corrupt manner (hit-and-run), and Cohen would be in hot pursuit. It's also a mischaracterization to say that this leak is coming from the "Government." Did the Government leak hundreds of thousands of cables? More precisely, it was Bradley Manning. You might be in the realm of scoring a point if the leak you're kvetching about came from the Special Counsel, but it was noted that hundreds (if not thousands) of people have access to the information in question.

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"Innocent-until-proven guilty is a conceit of the judicial system." I assume that is one of those Poe things that people were talking about seeing as how we are ONLY talking about the judicial system here? If so, well played.

No, we are not only talking about the judicial system here. Posters are making moral judgements about Cohen based on the publicly available evidence, just as we would do in any other case. I doubt anyone here would be comfortable sending Cohen to prison without a trial.

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

Here in this thread we are talking about the lack of concern about what is clearly deliberate leaks of financial records of several people named Michael Cohen to a person who has no respect for the laws protecting such information.

/Which is why I have said repeatedly that fallacious appeals to hypocrisy are quite possibly the worst arguments one can possibly make for numerous reasons, because not only are they a logical fallacy, they are a clear attempt to derail the discussion and most importantly demonstrate that the person making the argument is acting hypocritically (here for example our correspondent appears concerned with "Hillary Clinton" but not at all concerned with the actual subject of what appears to law enforcement leaks against several people named Michael Cohen) Really fascinating stuff, imho.

Understatement of the thread: You don't have a good handle on logical fallacies. Then again, the genre of ad hominem fallacies, part of the sprawling genre of fallacies of irrelevance, are not well understood by most messageboard commenters. Calling someone an idiot, for example, is not necessarily fallacious. It could simply be a conclusion based on reading a person's posts. The fallacy is to say someone is wrong because he's an idiot.

Currently you are attempting to fashion yourself as the only person interested in the rule of law, so others are naturally pointing to how you handled accusations against D's rather than R's. Hypocrisy is not about right and wrong but credibility. We have every reason to believe you're not arguing in good faith, and indeed you're probably the least morally serious participant here. Your views seem colored more by tribal membership than the rule of law. Donald Rumsfeld was quick to condemn Saddam Hussein for violating the Geneva Convention by putting captured soldiers on television. Do we honestly believe Rumsfeld cares about the Geneva Convention?

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Mueller's team must be livid that people are leaking confidential records to this grandstanding jackass.

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

Maybe.

Or they could be Ambivalent, since Mueller and his team seem to be approaching the investigation in a professional attitude and is unlikely to be distracted by outside media attention that the leaks would cause.

Or they could be quite happy about the leaks, since they think it may apply political pressure to prevent the investigation from ending early. (Harder to justify ending an investigation for being a "witch hunt" when people are seeing the existence of real, live witches.)

Exactly. If anything, I bet they are loving it. The evidence that Avenatti provided to the press shows very suspicious if not incriminating evidence. It certainly makes it look as if there are real crimes to be investigated. What is totally hilarious is this absurd outrage by the big dog about the leak. It's as if he doesn't want to discuss Trump and his sleazy lawyer.

So far, we see more and more evidence that Trump was screwing every woman he could and probably impregnating a woman that was not his wife. That Cohen was running around paying off these women for their silence and arranging at least one abortion. We see that Michael Cohen was being paid huge sums of money for absolutely nothing.

And TBD thinks the real problem is the leaks. ROTFLMAO.:

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Understatement of the thread: You don't have a good handle on logical fallacies. Then again, the genre of ad hominem fallacies, part of the sprawling genre of fallacies of irrelevance, are not well understood by most messageboard commenters. Calling someone an idiot, for example, is not necessarily fallacious. It could simply be a conclusion based on reading a person's posts. The fallacy is to say someone is wrong because he's an idiot.

Currently you are attempting to fashion yourself as the only person interested in the rule of law, so others are naturally pointing to how you handled accusations against D's rather than R's. Hypocrisy is not about right and wrong but credibility.

The appeal to hypocrisy fallacy is known as a tu quoque fallacy. Its form is "I'm sure that if I checked your rich posting history, you refrained from commenting on Hillary Clinton's guilt/innocence even though she wasn't indicted, let alone tried" which is an ad hominem fallacy because my posts about Clinton do not falsify my comprehensive statements about the developments here in any way, and in fact are a fairly blatant attempt to derail the discussion.

The highlighted sentence is a straw man.

While I enjoy teaching about logical arguments, you'll forgive me if I continue to focus on the substantive developments from here on in. Thanks for posting, tho.

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The appeal to hypocrisy fallacy is known as a tu quoque fallacy. Its form is "I'm sure that if I checked your rich posting history, you refrained from commenting on Hillary Clinton's guilt/innocence even though she wasn't indicted, let alone tried" which is an ad hominem fallacy because my posts about Clinton do not falsify my comprehensive statements about the developments here in any way, and in fact are a fairly blatant attempt to derail the discussion.

The highlighted sentence is a straw man.

While I enjoy teaching about logical arguments, you'll forgive me if I continue to focus on the substantive developments from here on in. Thanks for posting, tho.

It's only a fallacy if someone uses it in support of their argument. Simply saying "I see hypocrisy" is neither a tu quoque fallacy or an ad hominem, simply an observance of behavior.

ETA: You're right about the straw man, but again, he wasn't using it to support his own argument, it was simply what he gleaned from your posts, and made an assessment.

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