Now, spit out the chew, put your teeth back in and drive your pickup back to the trailer. Open an icy cold can of Pabst and tell Debbie Jo you want to relax in your second-hand Lazy Boy and watch Jerry Springer while she cooks you your pot-pie. If she burns it, slap her across the face.

There, that's better.

Title: Fucking hispanics
Post by: SHH on April 30, 2006, 10:18:00 PM

When you say Hispanics, you should be saying illegal mexicans instead. What you are referring to are illegal immigrants from specifically mexico. Not all hispanics get food stamps, have 7 kids, drive low rider cars, or are a burden on society. Not even all Mexicans are like that. I am half hispanic, Cuban-American to be specific. I think its dangerous to lump all hispanics in your biased opinion. Consider this: The former president of Coca-Cola was Hispanic. Many actors are hispanic. Carlos Santana the guitar great is hispanic. Cameron Diaz is hispanic. Members of congress are hispanic. I wouldnt consider any of them to be anywhere near the description you portray. I think illegal immigration needs to be curtailed in a big way, but I believe it should be done with the help of the mexican govt, the companies that hire these workers, and through better border patrolling. Having met a few illegals myself, for the most part they do not get govt assistance, work very hard, and are here because they were starving to death in mexico. This country was founded with immigrants. But it needs to be done properly. I think its up to the govt to do better border patrolling, work with Mexican Govt, fine the companies that hire them, and require that they apply for green cards before getting any govt assistance. I think we should welcome all immigrants....as long as they do it like the rest of us. (IM technically not an immigrant, I was born in the US, but my father is an immigrant).

Humorous indeed. But does it concern you that while you attempt to ridicule me, theres millions of others who feel the same way?

Hispanic immigration, legal or not is a very worthy debate. Care to take off the mask and approach the issue with some sort of intelligent response? Or is the op for a humorous moment your only motivation to speak of the issue on the table?

Your poor excuse of an argument is nullified by your polarized thinking and racist innuendo. Your type of thinking is why America is in such deep shit today, on many levels. Simplistic, blaming, and lacking real analysis.(Shhh actually did a better job exercising the points of views of both sides).

Since we are already becoming a stupid country, as evidenced by our election of GWB not once but twice, it pains me to think we are overrun by simpletons such as yourself. You are probably one of those people who think we should erect a wall, a la East Germany, so our country can become more isolated and more backward than we already are. We'll just call it CheckPoint Carlos.

It is not a simplistic issue. We have always either sanctioned (overlooked) or protested IAs depending on how it serves our interests at the moment. I have known IAs and I can tell you that I never met one receiving aid from our govt. due to pride and fear of getting caught. (Actually, statistics prove that the overwhelming majority of welfare recipients are white.

I think the govt. could do a better job with the tactics that shh mentioned, accepting there is no cure all, only a mitigant.

It would be nice, too, if our own companies actually kept American workers instead of exporting jobs abroad.

Title: Fucking hispanics
Post by: SHH on April 30, 2006, 10:51:00 PM

You know you bring up an excellent point. How many times have I tried to call Dell, or Bellsouth, or CitiFinancial, or MCI, or any of the other numerous customer service numbers, only to be connected to "John" in Bombay, or "Maria" in Calcutta? (I use India as an example becasue thats where they all seem to be located). Those jobs are needed HERE. I think the whole idea of outsourcing is WRONG WRONG WRONG.

"Humorous indeed. But does it concern you that while you attempt to ridicule me, theres millions of others who feel the same way?

Hispanic immigration, legal or not is a very worthy debate. Care to take off the mask and approach the issue with some sort of intelligent response? Or is the op for a humorous moment your only motivation to speak of the issue on the table?

"

Are you fucking kidding me, asking for "some sort of intelligent response"? Your OP is so silly that I assumed you were a troll looking to get people riled up. If there's an intelligent question posed, I'll be happy to give an intelligent response.

What exactly is the problem with immigration anyway? Illegal immigrants don't qualify for welfare and they don't apply for it for fear of being deported. Illegal immigrants take jobs that you won't take. I don't get the hype. It just seems like blatant racism to me.

Would you work 12 hours a day in difficult conditions for $4.00 per hour? I think not. Don't kid yourself. They are an important component of our economy.

Of course the person wouldn't, that wage is below the federal mandatory minimum wage! Have you heard of living wage before? America has worked a hundred years to implement the social changes and worker rights and civil rights, and now big business is undermining that work. WITH the support of limo-liberals like yourself. The working class knows whats up.

"Illegal immigrants don't qualify for welfare and they don't apply for it for fear of being deported." An interesting opinion which happens to be totally wrong. The hospitals in Tuscon are going broke from having to care for Mexicans that never pay for anything. As far as racism goes... If you think the US is racist, take a good look at how Mexico treats people from other countries.Border crossers from Latin America ?They are shot. If you are not a citizen and hurt in Mexico you will die in the street before receiving ANY care. Fucking Mexicans have a LOT of FUCKING NERVE asking for ANYTHING in the US.

""Illegal immigrants don't qualify for welfare and they don't apply for it for fear of being deported."

An interesting opinion which happens to be totally wrong. The hospitals in Tuscon are going broke from having to care for Mexicans that never pay for anything."

So what do hospitals going broke (which is ridiculous) have to do with WELFARE?

Title: Fucking hispanics
Post by: SHH on May 02, 2006, 01:54:00 AM

There is a difference between "welfare" and not having health insurance. Yes, the illegal immigrants get medical attention even though they will never pay for it (usually). But they do not qualify for food stamps, unemployment, social security, disability, WIC, or any other govt assistance you can think of. And trust me, hospitals aren't "going broke" from illegal immigrants. They are going broke from the millions of LEGAL CITIZENS not being able to afford health insurance. If you want to know about that, ask our lovely "president". I put that in quotes for a reason.

""Illegal immigrants don't qualify for welfare and they don't apply for it for fear of being deported."

An interesting opinion which happens to be totally wrong. The hospitals in Tuscon are going broke from having to care for Mexicans that never pay for anything."

So what do hospitals going broke (which is ridiculous) have to do with WELFARE?"

It has to do with the fact illegals do not have medical insurance and come to the ER for their primary medical care. Yes, it is a problem, I've experienced it first hand.

Title: Fucking hispanics
Post by: odie on May 02, 2006, 10:38:00 AM

Lets just take some of the lazy bastards on welfare and put them to work in these menial jobs that nobody seems to want, then we will take care of 2 problems, putting deadbeats to work therefore lessening the taxpayer burden, and forcing illegal aliens to look elsewhere for a free ride.

"The FARC is part of the history of Colombia and a historical phenomenon", (President Pastrana) says, "and they must be treated as Colombians". ... They come and ask for bread [aid from Washington], and you give them stones.

Robert White is a former American ambassador to Paraguay and El Salvador, and former No. 2 man with the U.S. Embassy in Bogota, is president of the Centre for International Policy in Washington D.C.Robert White

"Lets just take some of the lazy bastards on welfare and put them to work in these menial jobs that nobody seems to want, then we will take care of 2 problems, putting deadbeats to work therefore lessening the taxpayer burden, and forcing illegal aliens to look elsewhere for a free ride.

Fucking exactly. But sadly, that will never happen in this lazy, fatass country.

No, an illegal immigrant does not qualify for state "welfare" programs...not until they have a fucking baby on US soil.The first bill an illegal immigrant racks up is in the delivery room. Average cost: $4000.00 Which is NEVER paid by them or their families. Since they dont have a social security number, the bills are written off. Driving the cost of healthcare/insurance for the rest of us further up. Ever see a fucking mexican bitch who DOESNT have 3 fucking kids?These illegals usually leave the hospital with welfare checks and a housing voucher in hand.These people are not ignorant...come to the US, have a baby and you can stay while the american taxpayer foots the bill. Many come here because they can legitimately work in some seasonal ag jobs, yet many of them stay through the year, living off their womans welfare checks, making more babies to get bigger checks.The pay for these ag jobs have little or no tax liabilty and are most often paid in cash without any deductions. Which means what? The immigrants who Do work, make no contribution to the taxes which are dispursed to the welfare and living assistance programs they and their fucking kids live on.

Of course the "fat lazy" americans are not going to do the jobs these people do. The pay in ag jobs is far less than minimum wage.To live within your means on minimum wage is to live in a tent, and eat ramen noodles. The cost of living far exceeds unskilled labor compensation in this country, yet the welfare system offers enough food stamps to keep them fat and lazy, section 8 housing guidelines allow people to live in apartments for next to nothing.

Come to america, have a child (who is now an american national) get a social security card for you and your child...dont learn a lick of english to limit your job oportunities, get a rent voucher once a month...fill the apartment (the tax payers foot the bill for) with more illegals who will have their own babies and repeat the whole process.

The fed shells out billions of dollars for border patrol that doesnt work. State and local economies are burdened by illegal immigrants that are captured and jailed for months, even years. Anyone care to guess what they average daily cost to house a county jail inmate is in this country? About the same as a home loan payment on a $150,000 dollar fucking house.

As for the cunt with the redneck response to the first post...get a fuckin clue bitch. Racism is alive and well in this country, some of it for very good reason...No chance you or anyone else with your silly fucking attitude is going to change that.I have a real problem with illegal immigrants from mexico...Maybe they deserve the same oportunities we here in america do, but define the oportunities a mexican looks forward to.

Just for shits and giggles, perhaps we should stop FUCKING up other peoples countries. Perhaps then they would not need/want to come here for a freaking job, or to hide from the daily dousing of agent orange.

How can we ever expect people to be happy in their own countries when we knock down governments (including those that are democratic) and setup puppet regimes.

That is not the America I was sold. These are not the actions or intentions of our fore fathers.

Many of the illegal immigrants are NOT from Mexico, they are from other countries south of the border.

Here in Dc, most hispanics are NOT Mexican, they are usually from El Salvador, also Nicaragua, Columbia, , ect...

The ones from El Salvador tend to cause a lot of problems. Not all of them, of course. I know several who's parents made them learn English, go to college, ect... But far too many of them go the other route, know what I mean? Gangs, violence, teenage motherhood...you know the routine.

Anyway, most of them take a bus from El Salvador to somewhere in Mexico, then walk the rest of the way.

And yes, they do have a devastating effect on our healthcare system (though they are not the only group who does so).

However, young doctors and nurses who work with them (in maternal medicine, that is) get to learn a whole lot real quickly; it's very "hands on" learning, a sort of "baptism by fire", as these women do not pay and must rely on student and resident doctors to deliver their babies. When I was a nursing student, the first birth I saw was attended only by me and a medical student.

Sure, there was an older doctor present on the floor somewhere, but he can only be in one place at one time, and there were probably 6 other uninsured women in labor at the same time.

... and there were probably 6 other uninsured women in labor at the same time. "

I bet 5 of them didnt speak english.

Title: Fucking hispanics
Post by: SHH on May 12, 2006, 08:12:00 PM

You know, if you think about it, we are ALL immigrants, well our ancestors were anyway. Unless you're Cherokee, Choctaw, Iroquis, Shawnee, Dakota, Apache....etc etc....nobody has a leg to stand on bitchin and moanin about people immigrating to this country. The white man STOLE this land from the Native peoples. I do feel immigration should be in a legal manner, however, to diss immigrants as a whole is just hypocritical plain and simple.

"You know, if you think about it, we are ALL immigrants, well our ancestors were anyway. Unless you're Cherokee, Choctaw, Iroquis, Shawnee, Dakota, Apache....etc etc....nobody has a leg to stand on bitchin and moanin about people immigrating to this country. The white man STOLE this land from the Native peoples. I do feel immigration should be in a legal manner, however, to diss immigrants as a whole is just hypocritical plain and simple. "

Uhh, quite a contrast between a decendant of an 8th generation European immigrant and a first generation illegal alien.

Please try to grasp the contrast in terms too. An immigrant and an illegal alien are two very different things. Im not sure anyone is complaining about immigrants. Its the illegal aliens that need to fuck off.

"You know, if you think about it, we are ALL immigrants, well our ancestors were anyway. Unless you're Cherokee, Choctaw, Iroquis, Shawnee, Dakota, Apache....etc etc....nobody has a leg to stand on bitchin and moanin about people immigrating to this country. The white man STOLE this land from the Native peoples. I do feel immigration should be in a legal manner, however, to diss immigrants as a whole is just hypocritical plain and simple. "

Uhh, quite a contrast between a decendant of an 8th generation European immigrant and a first generation illegal alien.

Please try to grasp the contrast in terms too. An immigrant and an illegal alien are two very different things. Im not sure anyone is complaining about immigrants. Its the illegal aliens that need to fuck off."

I think a history lesson is in order too. Was there a universal rule that said no Euro settlers could get on a boat bound for North America because the land belonged to a couple hundred thousand natives?

There was no establishment of goverment or military or voters who made laws back then. The natives faught and killed each other for land and resources, who said Europeans were not as justified to stake a claim of thier own by the same means?

Hell that was the rule then, fight and die for what you want.

Things are a little more civil now...apply to our goverment for residency, or stay the hell out.

I had a contract gig in a warehouse. Went to work thre and much to my chagrin only one otherperson employed there spoke english. During my time there I saw employees place products for storage on birdshit laden pallets, then place the products in a puddle of gawd knows what. Sadly in the bathroom there was a sign telling people what to do with used toilet paper( I have a picture) in spanish. Now while this doesent seem like much of a big deal , it is ..... the products were surgical supplies....the name of the company, for whom I no longer work and never gave a confidentiallity agreement to is Medline. The freshly under the fence motherfuckers are USELESS. Like tits on a bull. I did not ask them here. Its not my job to teach them the language of the country, or hygene. Homeland security is a joke ( kinda like the" war on drugs") because America doesn't control it's own borders. As for the whole native american, oh you shouldnt bitch ...blah blah blah.....I didnt do that wasnt here so so sorry that is a moot point. Hippy. Jerry died . Fish sucks. Get a job. ::deadhorse::