Sgt. Largent wrote:and have averaged over 30 pts per game the past four games, WITH a terrible O-line, no run game to speak of and 65% of our cap space dedicated to the defense..

One more thing. You skip right past "with a terrible oline" to reduce the burden of responsibility on Cable. Why is Cable not held more responsible for "that terrible oline" in your eyes to begin with??That makes zero sense. Cable is the #1 person responsible for the situation to begin with. Those are "his guys" that are terrible. Only one new player that started the season was not here last season (Joeckel), who Cable ranked tops in the league.

Seymour wrote:Like I said. Cherry picking 4 weak games does not override the stats that they as a group are a liability and have under performed to the assets given to the problem. They are 5 of 11 on offense, looking at them closer than "all of offense" as an isolated group is where the real problems will emerge. You avoid that to help make a point, that is 1 step up from "winning". That point is skewed with Wilson's scrambling ability and the outstanding play of a few WR's and Graham even last game.

Ironic that you say I'm cherrypicking my stats, then cherrypick Russell's scrambling ability, our WR's and Graham as to why the offense has looked good of late..........you mean as in the OFFENSE? LOL.

Yes my total pts scored of 32 the past four games was cherry picked, but that was to prove this staff is finally figuring some stuff out. You know, being accountable.

Here are the SEASON stats Seymour.

- #7 in total offense- #10 in pts- #7 in yards per game- #10 in yards per play- #7 in passing

Again, all with NO run game, a terrible O-line and btw 4 of our first 7 games on the road.

So sorry, I'm not holding anyone accountable. Cause what I've seen is an offense that's starting to find it's footing getting better and better each week, just like most Pete Carroll teams. As the season goes along he and HIS COACHES that you'd like to be held accountable get this offense rolling.

Sgt. Largent wrote:and have averaged over 30 pts per game the past four games, WITH a terrible O-line, no run game to speak of and 65% of our cap space dedicated to the defense..

One more thing. You skip right past "with a terrible oline" to reduce the burden of responsibility on Cable. Why is Cable not held more responsible for "that terrible oline" in your eyes to begin with??That makes zero sense. Cable is the #1 person responsible for the situation to begin with. Those are "his guys" that are terrible. Only one new player that started the season was not here last season (Joeckel), who Cable ranked tops in the league.

I do hold Cable accountable. I'm not his biggest fan, but I also take into account that he's been given scrap heap lineman and project draft picks that he's suppose to mold into some awesome line?

Not entirely fair, so I give him more leeway than you and others who think he should turn the Fant's of the team into all pro linemen.

The difference between you and me is when our offense struggles, I hold EVERYONE accountable. You and others just seem to "cherrypick" Bevell and Cable. Why aren't the players accountable? Pete? Schneider? He's the one who drafted them.

Those stats do not isolate the oline's performance like that oline evaluation stats do. They differ widely and are skewed for the last time.

You have entered a circular argument of ZERO accountability.

It's everything Seymour. DESPITE having a bad line, this offense is still a top 10 offense. I'm giving our coaching staff credit for that, you're not..............not sure why. I assume because then you and others who hate Bevell and Cable would have to admit you're wrong.

I know? Hard to do huh?

So there's no circular argument. I've shown you stats showing that we have a good to great offense. So no need to hold any coaches MORE accountable just because we've acquired a good LT. They've already been held accountable, and have worked wonders this year so far with MAJOR holes in the line and run game.

Meanwhile you've shown me nothing but nonsense. Stats Seymour, where are the stats showing me this is a bad offense that needs to hold it's coaches more accountable.

I don't think red zone TD percentage is as important to team success as some people here seem to think it is and I certainly don't think it indicates some sort of problem or underlying fatal flaw that some here seem to think it does.

Perfect. We'll call you back in from the bullpen on the next Fire Cable thread.

I am past firing Cable. I don't think Pete can fire him. I've posted this, Pete is too deep in it himself. At this point I only can hope they bring in someone to at least evaluate talent to give us a chance and stop wasting so much draft capitol and FA garbage players.

bmorepunk wrote:Look, guys. Until .NET stands up as one and demands the firing of Cable and Bevell (AKA "holding them accountable"), it won't happen. You guys are keeping this from happening. Step the hell up.

As if the team would regard that 'demand' as anything more than the ravings of fans who do not completely understand the complexities of the situation. BTW no rocks were intended to be thrown at anyone with that last remark.

Just so it's clear I doubt the people in power with the team hold the same low regard for Coaches Cable and Bevell as many do here. For me I'm not a fan of Bevell, but he has his moments. I am being dragged to the belief that Coach Cable is failing to produce quality OLinemen. It's not as if the team hasn't provided him with a large quantity of potential candidates many of whom were well regarded college players or exceptional athletes so perhaps the argument of a low talent pool to work with is wearing thin.

Now though with the addition of Brown, if the OLine continues to suck, Coach Cable has some explaining to do.

Until we develop a pass rush that will cause opposing teams to be forced to scheme to defend it we will never be able to consistently take the final step. The interior rush needs improvement. The OLine clearly still needs work.

As much as Pete touts competition, I don't see it in the coaching. He seems to live and die by the staff he has and based on what they've done the past few years, unless you don't like playoff football, they are doing pretty good.

I think our offensive lineman talent evaluation is a problem but there are quite a few former Seahawks that are starting for other teams on the offensive line simply because we didn't pay them a competitive price. If we find the next Walter Jones in the draft though you can be sure we will be signing him before his contract expires. We haven't even sniffed that kind of talent though and the evaluation has failed to keep us stocked sufficiently.

We can't and won't see what they do to improve talent evaluation year to year. You don't even have to trust that they aren't doing the right things to win because we have been winning. We've been to the playoffs every year since 2012 and have won at least our first playoff game every year. While we can nitpick about how unhappy we are with the offensive line, I like winning, so as far as I'm concerned, Pete and John are gold plated winners and have earned the benefit of the doubt until they lose so much Paul loses faith (or Pete retires). I don't see that happening any time soon.

Those stats do not isolate the oline's performance like that oline evaluation stats do. They differ widely and are skewed for the last time.

You have entered a circular argument of ZERO accountability.

It's everything Seymour. DESPITE having a bad line, this offense is still a top 10 offense. I'm giving our coaching staff credit for that, you're not..............not sure why. I assume because then you and others who hate Bevell and Cable would have to admit you're wrong.

I know? Hard to do huh?

So there's no circular argument. I've shown you stats showing that we have a good to great offense. So no need to hold any coaches MORE accountable just because we've acquired a good LT. They've already been held accountable,and have worked wonders this year so far with MAJOR holes in the line and run game.

Meanwhile you've shown me nothing but nonsense. Stats Seymour, where are the stats showing me this is a bad offense that needs to hold it's coaches more accountable.

LMAO.....Blast from the past.

How did that turn out Sarge??

And thank you Pete for finally holding those coaches responsible to the accountability SOME of us have been calling for.