Back in the early 1980's, a little group called Metallica were an integral part in the spawning of a movement it's safe to say a large number of metalheads around the world revere. We all know enough of their story to understand their importance, and let's face it, back in the day these guys were on top.

This EP is nice, the songs weren't bad,but they didn't have that edge which was in DM's songs :S And as for Lulu, I don't give a damn! It was a collaboration album, not part of the actual Metallica full-length discography this is stated by the band itself! Yeah I know it sucks and nothing changes it, but people should try to be objective, but that is impossible

Written by Angelic Storm on 14.12.2011 at 07:24Metallica are in a position now where they could release something of the exact style and quality of Ride The Lightning or Kill Em All, and some people would still hate it just because of the name on the cover.

I find some parts here and there that i like, but all over this is dissapointing. Some of the riffs are riffs anyone that plays a guitar could make in 1 minute.. like the bluesy one on Hate train that starts at 20 seconds or the uninspired one at 4:50. Hammet realy disapoints on the solos, sounds like an old man who don't care anymore and just plays bitts and pieces from old solos. James vocals are good enough, but some places he's even out of tune. Lars Drums are also ok i think, but i hope he will challenge him self to use the double base some more in the future
I think they should start play standard tuning again, and focus on speed a bit more and groove a bit less. Maybe that would help them get closer to their roots... If they want

By ''love the way you talk girl'' I meant ''not only I agree with every single word you stated, as loved the objectivity, ponderated and mature way you described it.'' And yes, I said it in a naughty sense
would that make you feel... "graffited''???

Written by Tiago Rocha on 14.12.2011 at 20:58By ''love the way you talk girl'' I meant ''not only I agree with every single word you stated, as loved the objectivity, ponderated and mature way you described it.'' And yes, I said it in a naughty sense
would that make you feel... "graffited''???

That was Vezzy's choice of words, not mine. And he "graffiti's" others' posts more than anyone else on this site, so I wouldn't pay any heed to what he had to say about it.

I just call it how I see it, and certainly even if Metallica had 100% control over how their material is released (as opposed to their record label, which isn't very likely), I think to say they milk their fans worse than any other band on the planet is a stretch at best, and has no real basis in logic at worst. To date, Metallica have never re-released an album with extra material, even their old 80's albums haven't been given that treatment. Yet many other bands have done this, and sometimes even with albums released just a short amount of time before they are re-released. They've also never released any sort of "hits" compilation, which for a band of their size, and length of time they've been going, is quite remarkable. Just on this evidence, far smaller bands than them are more guilty of extorting cash from true fans than Metallica are.

I look at it like this: They had material that didn't quite fit the album and wanted to do something for the 30th anniversary. An EP of outtakes is quite cool. Better than a "Best Of" or tacking those songs onto the next album just to fill up space.

As far as complaints about style: I like a bit of fine art. I'm not extremely into it, but I have favorites. Two well known artists I like are Klimt and Dali. Both had periods of work which, to this day, seem to define them, even though they both moved into other styles later in their careers (especially Dali). Creating the same thing over and over and over and over is stifling. While a couple of their albums do not appeal to me, I don't fault Metallica for trying out new things.

I think another art analogy could be Giger (my personal favorite). While he has maintained a certain Giger-ness to all of his work, he has made changes throughout his career (bio-mech, Alien, NY City, Dune and many more) and now mostly does furniture and sculpting, if he does anything at all. Does he seem to give shit. Nope. He'll always be remembered for putting penises, vaginas, and graphic sex in his paintings, but now he likes to make things that look designed for a creature from Hellraiser.

I look at it like this: They had material that didn't quite fit the album and wanted to do something for the 30th anniversary. An EP of outtakes is quite cool. Better than a "Best Of" or tacking those songs onto the next album just to fill up space.

As far as complaints about style: I like a bit of fine art. I'm not extremely into it, but I have favorites. Two well known artists I like are Klimt and Dali. Both had periods of work which, to this day, seem to define them, even though they both moved into other styles later in their careers (especially Dali). Creating the same thing over and over and over and over is stifling. While a couple of their albums do not appeal to me, I don't fault Metallica for trying out new things.

I think another art analogy could be Giger (my personal favorite). While he has maintained a certain Giger-ness to all of his work, he has made changes throughout his career (bio-mech, Alien, NY City, Dune and many more) and now mostly does furniture and sculpting, if he does anything at all. Does he seem to give shit. Nope. He'll always be remembered for putting penises, vaginas, and graphic sex in his paintings, but now he likes to make things that look designed for a creature from Hellraiser.

I look at it like this: They had material that didn't quite fit the album and wanted to do something for the 30th anniversary. An EP of outtakes is quite cool. Better than a "Best Of" or tacking those songs onto the next album just to fill up space.

As far as complaints about style: I like a bit of fine art. I'm not extremely into it, but I have favorites. Two well known artists I like are Klimt and Dali. Both had periods of work which, to this day, seem to define them, even though they both moved into other styles later in their careers (especially Dali). Creating the same thing over and over and over and over is stifling. While a couple of their albums do not appeal to me, I don't fault Metallica for trying out new things.

I think another art analogy could be Giger (my personal favorite). While he has maintained a certain Giger-ness to all of his work, he has made changes throughout his career (bio-mech, Alien, NY City, Dune and many more) and now mostly does furniture and sculpting, if he does anything at all. Does he seem to give shit. Nope. He'll always be remembered for putting penises, vaginas, and graphic sex in his paintings, but now he likes to make things that look designed for a creature from Hellraiser.

What the hell are you talking about?

I would insult you, but I'd rather just let you look up the word "analogy" in the dictionary.

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Metallica are in a position now where they could release something of the exact style and quality of Ride The Lightning or Kill Em All, and some people would still hate it just because of the name on the cover.

Indeed they would. Our overnegative fuckminds will call it "repetitive and unoriginal, would've rathered to see something new". And when they see something new but decent, a la Death Magnetic, it will be "a weak attempt to return to the past." >_>

Why the fuck are you using stative verbs or whatever you call 'em when I'm referring to your brain needing rewiring, not that something's wrong with your actual person (even though something IS wrong, a whole lot of fucking somethings).

Why the fuck are you using stative verbs or whatever you call 'em when I'm referring to your brain needing rewiring, not that something's wrong with your actual person (even though something IS wrong, a whole lot of fucking somethings).

I did.

And I'll keep on trying.

I just don't like it when people talks about my brain, that's it.

Plus, it's you Vezzy, I already know that this discussion won't end well.

Why the fuck are you using stative verbs or whatever you call 'em when I'm referring to your brain needing rewiring, not that something's wrong with your actual person (even though something IS wrong, a whole lot of fucking somethings).

I did.

And I'll keep on trying.

I just don't like it when people talks about my brain, that's it.

Plus, it's you Vezzy, I already know that this discussion won't end well.

Suck on the barrel suck suck till its dry,,in the shine of a midnight revolver.
I think the barrel refers to Metallica because they are really dried up. that line was totally gay.
and they should've called the album ' beyond the lulu thing'
so much repetition, James is getting worse and worse. this was a real lame waste of time.
by the way, some songs in death magnetic are way better even though i hate the album.
and what's with the magnet thing? wut does it mean? world magnets tour, death magnets, now beyond magnets. i guess their next album will be titled 'Magnetic Magnetic Magnetic'. that's some crazy shit.
They should've retired from composing along time ago and kept on touring only.

Metallica are in a position now where they could release something of the exact style and quality of Ride The Lightning or Kill Em All, and some people would still hate it just because of the name on the cover.

That's certainly true. However, we all know it will never happen, for the simple reason that they will never release anything close to their 80s albums.
But there's two sides to a coin. The other side here is they can release even the most utterly worthless piece of shit and lots of people will buy it only because of the name on the cover.
No one will ever make me cry over Metallica's 'sad' fate. Imo, they will always receive way too much praise and not enough bashing. But it's only my opinion and I'm probably a bit carried on by the fact that I never understood the fuss around this band and I've been quite annoyed in the 80s by all the attention this average at best band got.

Written by RavenKing on 28.12.2011 at 23:34That's certainly true. However, we all know it will never happen, for the simple reason that they will never release anything close to their 80s albums.
But there's two sides to a coin. The other side here is they can release even the most utterly worthless piece of shit and lots of people will buy it only because of the name on the cover.

Of course. Like I said, Metallica are a band that inspires blind hate and blind praise in equal measure. Whether positive or negative, it's became an impossibility for many people to have a true sense of perspective, or even the slightest tinge of objectivity when it comes to Metallica. Which I think is due to their size. And that clouds a lot of people's judgement when it comes to their output.

I left out the last bit of your post, as I see no point in debating that, as it's your own opinion, and whilst I don't share it, it's a pointless excercise to discuss that, as both our opinions are equally valid.

Like I said, Metallica are a band that inspires blind hate and blind praise in equal measure. Whether positive or negative, it's became an impossibility for many people to have a true sense of perspective, or even the slightest tinge of objectivity when it comes to Metallica. Which I think is due to their size. And that clouds a lot of people's judgement when it comes to their output.

I left out the last bit of your post, as I see no point in debating that, as it's your own opinion, and whilst I don't share it, it's a pointless excercise to discuss that, as both our opinions are equally valid.

When a band is as big as Metallica, everything gets out of proportion. It is indeed hard to remain entirely objective when Metallica is mentioned.

In my case, my opinion in the 80s was that this band was ridiculously overrated, as I found their albums quite average and never enjoyed them. But at least it had some value. However, since the black album (and especially after it), I think this band released only shit.

As for the last part of my post, it was only a few personal thoughts, based on my position towards the band.
In the end, I believe that when a band is that big, it creates even more blind love from those who like it and it makes you hate it even more when you happen to never liked it.

Kenos - 30.12.2011 at 20:24

Oh gosh, this is so wonderful. I was just looking for the 30th album to put in my 2011 shitlist and here it is.

All these songs were released individually to fan club members during their 30th anniversary week (last week) when they played 4 shows at the Fillmore. Each night they played a new song, and the studio versions (though in a rough mix form) were sent on to club members soon afterwards. All this is, is a collection of those songs.

These aren't new songs, of course, these songs were recorded during the Death Magnetic seesions but were left off DM due to the quality of the songs. That says a lot about these songs because DM wasn't good at all.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 02.01.2012 at 16:28These aren't new songs, of course, these songs were recorded during the Death Magnetic seesions but were left off DM due to the quality of the songs. That says a lot about these songs because DM wasn't good at all.

I can think of countless examples of songs from album sessions that were left off the albums they were recorded for, (that turn up as bonus tracks or on later compilations) that are actually better than many of the songs off the album itself.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 02.01.2012 at 16:28These aren't new songs, of course, these songs were recorded during the Death Magnetic seesions but were left off DM due to the quality of the songs. That says a lot about these songs because DM wasn't good at all.

I can think of countless examples of songs from album sessions that were left off the albums they were recorded for, that are actually better than many of the songs off the album itself.

Anyways, I just made the point that sometimes bands make mistakes with songs they choose to leave off albums, as on many ocassions, they are better than songs that were actually put on the album. Just because a song doesn't make the album, doesn't automatically make it a bad song. It's also worth mentioning the songs on this EP are in rough mix form, though considering how terrible the final mix on the album was, maybe that's not a bad thing!

Anyways, I just made the point that sometimes bands make mistakes with songs they choose to leave off albums, as on many ocassions, they are better than songs that were actually put on the album. Just because a song doesn't make the album, doesn't automatically make it a bad song. It's also worth mentioning the songs on this EP are in rough mix form, though considering how terrible the final mix on the album was, maybe that's not a bad thing!

I agree that sometimes bonus songs are better than some songs on the album, when they are really new songs and not useless covers.

As for the sound, well, "Death Magnetic" was an example of awful production. We're not talking of making an album raw on purpose or aiming at a different sound here, but of fucked up, plain bad, production.
And things like that are not supposed to happen when a band is as rich as Metallica. We could say the same about Maiden's "No Prayer For The Dying" or Slayer's "World Painted Blood".

Written by RavenKing on 03.01.2012 at 00:08I agree that sometimes bonus songs are better than some songs on the album, when they are really new songs and not useless covers.

As for the sound, well, "Death Magnetic" was an example of awful production. We're not talking of making an album raw on purpose or aiming at a different sound here, but of fucked up, plain bad, production.
And things like that are not supposed to happen when a band is as rich as Metallica. We could say the same about Maiden's "No Prayer For The Dying" or Slayer's "World Painted Blood".

I never count covers when comparing them to a band's originals. lol

Yep, totally agree. And both of those albums were terribly produced also. It is funny how many band's earlier albums seem to have a better sound than on later albums, when they have a lot more money to spend on production.

Hate Train and Just a Bullet Away are awesome, Hell and Back is good, Rebel of Babylon is too much progressive in my opinion but it's still ok. The songs are actually very good, I don't know why they didn't add them to Death Magnetic.