Walter Football, Scott Wright, CBS Sports, SI, and Fox Sports all had Ansah as the best DE in the draft. (Fox did have Dion Jordan ranked higher, but I am not sure as a DE or OLB - still irrelevant as he was already off of the board.) It seems Ansah was the 'safe' pick at DE as so many football gurus thought Ansah was the no brainer pick at number 5.

very encouraging but again its all based on potential and a guy named Jason Pierre-Paul who went to a team that is excellent at developing DLmen with tools. Now you have a guy with little experience coming to a team where we ve seen Ndamukong Suh regress in his time here and havent gotten a whole lot out of Nick Fairley. Both were guys coming in as immediate impact STUDS rather than projects. Thus the concern with Ansah coming to Detroit. I like the player, Im skeptical of the organization teaching him anything.

Walter Football, Scott Wright, CBS Sports, SI, and Fox Sports all had Ansah as the best DE in the draft. (Fox did have Dion Jordan ranked higher, but I am not sure as a DE or OLB - still irrelevant as he was already off of the board.) It seems Ansah was the 'safe' pick at DE as so many football gurus thought Ansah was the no brainer pick at number 5.

very encouraging but again its all based on potential and a guy named Jason Pierre-Paul who went to a team that is excellent at developing DLmen with tools. Now you have a guy with little experience coming to a team where we ve seen Ndamukong Suh regress in his time here and havent gotten a whole lot out of Nick Fairley. Both were guys coming in as immediate impact STUDS rather than projects. Thus the concern with Ansah coming to Detroit. I like the player, Im skeptical of the organization teaching him anything.

Accepting that we are stuck with Schwartz and Mayhew, and that we had to draft at number 5, I'm OK with the pick. I really wish Mayhew would steal a page from the Patriots and trade down more often. Since drafting is such a crap shoot, getting more, and cheaper, picks seems like the best strategy.

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Walter Football, Scott Wright, CBS Sports, SI, and Fox Sports all had Ansah as the best DE in the draft. (Fox did have Dion Jordan ranked higher, but I am not sure as a DE or OLB - still irrelevant as he was already off of the board.) It seems Ansah was the 'safe' pick at DE as so many football gurus thought Ansah was the no brainer pick at number 5.

very encouraging but again its all based on potential and a guy named Jason Pierre-Paul who went to a team that is excellent at developing DLmen with tools. Now you have a guy with little experience coming to a team where we ve seen Ndamukong Suh regress in his time here and havent gotten a whole lot out of Nick Fairley. Both were guys coming in as immediate impact STUDS rather than projects. Thus the concern with Ansah coming to Detroit. I like the player, Im skeptical of the organization teaching him anything.

Accepting that we are stuck with Schwartz and Mayhew, and that we had to draft at number 5, I'm OK with the pick. I really wish Mayhew would steal a page from the Patriots and trade down more often. Since drafting is such a crap shoot, getting more, and cheaper, picks seems like the best strategy.

But similarly to the Pats, MM is inconsistent at the very best at drafting the non-obvious picks. IMO the best strategy is to not trade down, but trade up more often.

Walter Football, Scott Wright, CBS Sports, SI, and Fox Sports all had Ansah as the best DE in the draft. (Fox did have Dion Jordan ranked higher, but I am not sure as a DE or OLB - still irrelevant as he was already off of the board.) It seems Ansah was the 'safe' pick at DE as so many football gurus thought Ansah was the no brainer pick at number 5.

very encouraging but again its all based on potential and a guy named Jason Pierre-Paul who went to a team that is excellent at developing DLmen with tools. Now you have a guy with little experience coming to a team where we ve seen Ndamukong Suh regress in his time here and havent gotten a whole lot out of Nick Fairley. Both were guys coming in as immediate impact STUDS rather than projects. Thus the concern with Ansah coming to Detroit. I like the player, Im skeptical of the organization teaching him anything.

Fairley didn't play much at all in his first season because of his foot and the need to get his conditioning up because of the injury. Suh's regression IMO was all due to him having to learn how to play within the whistle, which he is still learning to do. Suh's first season was a massive impact, this last season Fairley was tied for 5th and Suh was 2nd in sacks at DT. They are doing exactly what they are supposed to do in this defensive scheme. As long as Schwartz is here they will never make a huge run defense impact because of the holes in the scheme.

April 27th, 2013, 12:44 pm

regularjoe12

Off. Coordinator – Joe Lombardi

Joined: March 30th, 2006, 12:48 amPosts: 3955Location: Davison Mi

Re: Ansah it is

Don't forget it is supposed to take roughly 3 years for an average d lineman to fully reach their potential. I like the development of Fairly, and the fact that we did make LoJack look good for a minute and the same thing for young, gives me a little optimism for us being able to develop Ansah. Time will tell.

Walter Football, Scott Wright, CBS Sports, SI, and Fox Sports all had Ansah as the best DE in the draft. (Fox did have Dion Jordan ranked higher, but I am not sure as a DE or OLB - still irrelevant as he was already off of the board.) It seems Ansah was the 'safe' pick at DE as so many football gurus thought Ansah was the no brainer pick at number 5.

very encouraging but again its all based on potential and a guy named Jason Pierre-Paul who went to a team that is excellent at developing DLmen with tools. Now you have a guy with little experience coming to a team where we ve seen Ndamukong Suh regress in his time here and havent gotten a whole lot out of Nick Fairley. Both were guys coming in as immediate impact STUDS rather than projects. Thus the concern with Ansah coming to Detroit. I like the player, Im skeptical of the organization teaching him anything.

Fairley didn't play much at all in his first season because of his foot and the need to get his conditioning up because of the injury. Suh's regression IMO was all due to him having to learn how to play within the whistle, which he is still learning to do. Suh's first season was a massive impact, this last season Fairley was tied for 5th and Suh was 2nd in sacks at DT. They are doing exactly what they are supposed to do in this defensive scheme. As long as Schwartz is here they will never make a huge run defense impact because of the holes in the scheme.

i agree which is why ansah wont ever be a complete player in this scheme but may get some sack numbers which many other fast DEs couldve done in this scheme.

Walter Football, Scott Wright, CBS Sports, SI, and Fox Sports all had Ansah as the best DE in the draft. (Fox did have Dion Jordan ranked higher, but I am not sure as a DE or OLB - still irrelevant as he was already off of the board.) It seems Ansah was the 'safe' pick at DE as so many football gurus thought Ansah was the no brainer pick at number 5.

very encouraging but again its all based on potential and a guy named Jason Pierre-Paul who went to a team that is excellent at developing DLmen with tools. Now you have a guy with little experience coming to a team where we ve seen Ndamukong Suh regress in his time here and havent gotten a whole lot out of Nick Fairley. Both were guys coming in as immediate impact STUDS rather than projects. Thus the concern with Ansah coming to Detroit. I like the player, Im skeptical of the organization teaching him anything.

Fairley didn't play much at all in his first season because of his foot and the need to get his conditioning up because of the injury. Suh's regression IMO was all due to him having to learn how to play within the whistle, which he is still learning to do. Suh's first season was a massive impact, this last season Fairley was tied for 5th and Suh was 2nd in sacks at DT. They are doing exactly what they are supposed to do in this defensive scheme. As long as Schwartz is here they will never make a huge run defense impact because of the holes in the scheme.

i agree which is why ansah wont ever be a complete player in this scheme but may get some sack numbers which many other fast DEs couldve done in this scheme.

Thats not entirely true either. Suh has actually got better at run defense every year even without being asked to do so.

Ansah is also way more scheme versatile(if he does learn as well as they say) than most of the other DEs in this draft.

Fairley didn't play much at all in his first season because of his foot and the need to get his conditioning up because of the injury. Suh's regression IMO was all due to him having to learn how to play within the whistle, which he is still learning to do. Suh's first season was a massive impact, this last season Fairley was tied for 5th and Suh was 2nd in sacks at DT. They are doing exactly what they are supposed to do in this defensive scheme. As long as Schwartz is here they will never make a huge run defense impact because of the holes in the scheme.

Exactly. People love to bag on Suh about regressing, but last year he was one of the best DTs in football. I remember reading that (according to profootballfocus.com) he had the most QB pressures amongst all DTs (I'll see if I can find it again), and our coaching staff was very praiseworthy of him. He was 2nd in sacks amongst DTs. His tackles were down, no questioning that. But overall, I think he played really well last year. Amongst the top DTs in the league.

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April 27th, 2013, 1:38 pm

Murtyle

Mr. Irrelevant

Joined: April 16th, 2005, 3:23 pmPosts: 941Location: Hollywood, FL

Re: Ansah it is

wjb21ndtown wrote:

Murtyle wrote:

Ansah got his degree in actuarial science... I think we can put the worries over whether he'll be able to pick the game up to rest...

I was good with the pick cause I didn't really care for anyone at the top of the draft, but the more I learn about him the more at ease I am with the pick...

Uhmmm... No...

It's not his ability to UNDERSTAND the game that I'm worried about, it's his ability to APPLY that knowledge to HIS GAME that I care about. He's already said to have a "gentle nature" and he doesn't use his hands well. You think he doesn't know how to use his hands? Or is he unwilling/not aggressive enough to take it that far?

He gets off of blocks well... He struggled or seemed to struggle in 2 places... When he was double teamed and when they put him at DT... Neither of those scenarios are likely to happen much here...

How could one not be aggressive enough to use his hands to get past a blocker, but aggressive enough to make a tackle? I don't get that...

April 27th, 2013, 3:03 pm

wjb21ndtown

Re: Ansah it is

Murtyle wrote:

wjb21ndtown wrote:

Murtyle wrote:

Ansah got his degree in actuarial science... I think we can put the worries over whether he'll be able to pick the game up to rest...

I was good with the pick cause I didn't really care for anyone at the top of the draft, but the more I learn about him the more at ease I am with the pick...

Uhmmm... No...

It's not his ability to UNDERSTAND the game that I'm worried about, it's his ability to APPLY that knowledge to HIS GAME that I care about. He's already said to have a "gentle nature" and he doesn't use his hands well. You think he doesn't know how to use his hands? Or is he unwilling/not aggressive enough to take it that far?

He gets off of blocks well... He struggled or seemed to struggle in 2 places... When he was double teamed and when they put him at DT... Neither of those scenarios are likely to happen much here...

How could one not be aggressive enough to use his hands to get past a blocker, but aggressive enough to make a tackle? I don't get that...

Really? You don't understand that you can not be aggressive and still make a tackle?

I was good with the pick cause I didn't really care for anyone at the top of the draft, but the more I learn about him the more at ease I am with the pick...

Uhmmm... No...

It's not his ability to UNDERSTAND the game that I'm worried about, it's his ability to APPLY that knowledge to HIS GAME that I care about. He's already said to have a "gentle nature" and he doesn't use his hands well. You think he doesn't know how to use his hands? Or is he unwilling/not aggressive enough to take it that far?

He gets off of blocks well... He struggled or seemed to struggle in 2 places... When he was double teamed and when they put him at DT... Neither of those scenarios are likely to happen much here...

How could one not be aggressive enough to use his hands to get past a blocker, but aggressive enough to make a tackle? I don't get that...

Really? You don't understand that you can not be aggressive and still make a tackle?

His Mother called him gentle and his former coach said it about his off field demeanor. His old coach also said he was ferocious on the field. He'll be fine.

April 27th, 2013, 3:21 pm

wjb21ndtown

Re: Ansah it is

rao wrote:

wjb21ndtown wrote:

Murtyle wrote:

wjb21ndtown wrote:

Murtyle wrote:

Ansah got his degree in actuarial science... I think we can put the worries over whether he'll be able to pick the game up to rest...

I was good with the pick cause I didn't really care for anyone at the top of the draft, but the more I learn about him the more at ease I am with the pick...

Uhmmm... No...

It's not his ability to UNDERSTAND the game that I'm worried about, it's his ability to APPLY that knowledge to HIS GAME that I care about. He's already said to have a "gentle nature" and he doesn't use his hands well. You think he doesn't know how to use his hands? Or is he unwilling/not aggressive enough to take it that far?

He gets off of blocks well... He struggled or seemed to struggle in 2 places... When he was double teamed and when they put him at DT... Neither of those scenarios are likely to happen much here...

How could one not be aggressive enough to use his hands to get past a blocker, but aggressive enough to make a tackle? I don't get that...

Really? You don't understand that you can not be aggressive and still make a tackle?

His Mother called him gentle and his former coach said it about his off field demeanor. His old coach also said he was ferocious on the field. He'll be fine.

To me he looks slow to get off of the ball, and tentative to engage with the OL. I don't see that mean nasty streak in him.

I was good with the pick cause I didn't really care for anyone at the top of the draft, but the more I learn about him the more at ease I am with the pick...

Uhmmm... No...

It's not his ability to UNDERSTAND the game that I'm worried about, it's his ability to APPLY that knowledge to HIS GAME that I care about. He's already said to have a "gentle nature" and he doesn't use his hands well. You think he doesn't know how to use his hands? Or is he unwilling/not aggressive enough to take it that far?

He gets off of blocks well... He struggled or seemed to struggle in 2 places... When he was double teamed and when they put him at DT... Neither of those scenarios are likely to happen much here...

How could one not be aggressive enough to use his hands to get past a blocker, but aggressive enough to make a tackle? I don't get that...

Really? You don't understand that you can not be aggressive and still make a tackle?

His Mother called him gentle and his former coach said it about his off field demeanor. His old coach also said he was ferocious on the field. He'll be fine.

To me he looks slow to get off of the ball, and tentative to engage with the OL. I don't see that mean nasty streak in him.

IMO it's more to do with him still being unsure on how to take on the blocker than his lack of aggressiveness. He runs down plays and plays hard, so it feels like more of a knowledge issue. Also the Lions have Suh to teach him how to be more aggressive.

April 27th, 2013, 3:31 pm

Murtyle

Mr. Irrelevant

Joined: April 16th, 2005, 3:23 pmPosts: 941Location: Hollywood, FL

Re: Ansah it is

wjb21ndtown wrote:

Murtyle wrote:

wjb21ndtown wrote:

Murtyle wrote:

Ansah got his degree in actuarial science... I think we can put the worries over whether he'll be able to pick the game up to rest...

I was good with the pick cause I didn't really care for anyone at the top of the draft, but the more I learn about him the more at ease I am with the pick...

Uhmmm... No...

It's not his ability to UNDERSTAND the game that I'm worried about, it's his ability to APPLY that knowledge to HIS GAME that I care about. He's already said to have a "gentle nature" and he doesn't use his hands well. You think he doesn't know how to use his hands? Or is he unwilling/not aggressive enough to take it that far?

He gets off of blocks well... He struggled or seemed to struggle in 2 places... When he was double teamed and when they put him at DT... Neither of those scenarios are likely to happen much here...

How could one not be aggressive enough to use his hands to get past a blocker, but aggressive enough to make a tackle? I don't get that...

Really? You don't understand that you can not be aggressive and still make a tackle?

Which is a more violent act? Tackling or using your hands to get past an offensive lineman? If he's aggressive enough to tackle... He's aggressive enough to do an outside swat...

April 27th, 2013, 5:07 pm

wjb21ndtown

Re: Ansah it is

Murtyle wrote:

wjb21ndtown wrote:

Murtyle wrote:

wjb21ndtown wrote:

Murtyle wrote:

Ansah got his degree in actuarial science... I think we can put the worries over whether he'll be able to pick the game up to rest...

I was good with the pick cause I didn't really care for anyone at the top of the draft, but the more I learn about him the more at ease I am with the pick...

Uhmmm... No...

It's not his ability to UNDERSTAND the game that I'm worried about, it's his ability to APPLY that knowledge to HIS GAME that I care about. He's already said to have a "gentle nature" and he doesn't use his hands well. You think he doesn't know how to use his hands? Or is he unwilling/not aggressive enough to take it that far?

He gets off of blocks well... He struggled or seemed to struggle in 2 places... When he was double teamed and when they put him at DT... Neither of those scenarios are likely to happen much here...

How could one not be aggressive enough to use his hands to get past a blocker, but aggressive enough to make a tackle? I don't get that...

Really? You don't understand that you can not be aggressive and still make a tackle?

Which is a more violent act? Tackling or using your hands to get past an offensive lineman? If he's aggressive enough to tackle... He's aggressive enough to do an outside swat...

I don't agree that tackling is a "more violent act," and I don't think you have to be "aggressive" to make a tackle. It's part of the job.