The “window of opportunity” for a 2nd Obama term

posted at 2:01 pm on July 1, 2012 by Jazz Shaw

One worry which I frequently see expressed in conservative circles has less to do with what Barack Obama may have actually done so far, and more to do with what he might get up to if given a second term. The general line of thought goes, “If you think things are bad now, just wait till you see what happens for the next four years.” (You are all invited to transmit that information to Vladimir at your convenience.)

As worries go, it’s not a bad one to ponder. Historically, presidents have felt a bit more “off the leash” when they no longer have to worry about the consequences of their actions in terms of winning another race. We typically have to rely on their desire to “protect their legacy” and not do too much damage to their party’s next nominee to keep them in check. Cold comfort, that.

So what would the agenda be Barack Obama in 2013 if he gets another bite at the apple? Well… jobs, obviously. OK! OK! I kid… I kid. But some recent conversations with Democratic leaders could probably give us a clue.

Leading House Democrats say President Obama has a great opportunity to pass immigration reform next year if he keeps the White House, but warn his window to act will be short.

Although Obama vowed on the campaign trail four years ago to make comprehensive immigration reform a top priority of his presidency, he never focused intently enough on the issue to move major changes through Congress…

“There is no luxury to say there’s a bigger issue in front of us,” said Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.), the chairman of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. “It is, and will continue to be, one of the top three [issues] he’s going to have to deal with.”

On the surface this sounds kind of crazy, right? Or is it just me? I mean, Obama came into office in January of 2009 with the economy collapsing around him and promptly proceeded to spend a couple of years getting his health reform initiative through. Even he has admitted it sucked all the air out of the room. And now the “recovery” is showing every sign of stalling and the economy is resting on a knife edge from month to month. He couldn’t possibly consider turning around this winter and going all in on the DREAM act, could he?

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You’re kidding right? This liberal has been everything conservatives have railed against and… you think he’d stop short if he somehow pulled out a win? President ‘I Won’ is nothing but big bad ideas, I find it laughable that he’d even hesitate.

The entire point to the Obama presidency is to get as much of the liberal legislative wet dream passed as possible. Everything else is secondary.

This is the last opportunity for the post-Great Society left to implement its agenda. They know this, and will go all out.

Despite a few tactical setbacks, Obama and the Democrats have done pretty well so far.

Comprehensive immigration reform, otherwise known as amnesty, is the next big one. Note that the DREAM Act is a tactic; full amnesty is the goal. That is what they will shoot for if Obama wins, and doesn’t have to worry about re-election. They will use every trick in the book, like they did with Obamacare.

They will move to get rid of DOMA and force gay marriage on the country.

They will move to further delegitimatize the United States’s role as the global hegemon.

They will push us much further along the green path, while demonizing the carbon-based economy, and shutting down domestic energy production.

Here’s a question for you, Jazz. Why are the Saudi’s helping Obama by increasing the oil supply and tanking the price? I thought they hated him because of his pro-Iran/Shia tilt.

Which reminds me, PBS documentary series ‘Frontline’ is doing a special coming up on dental care, how so many can’t afford it, so few dentists accept government aid programs, how you can actually die from a dental problem, etc, etc. Take all the usual sob stories about health care we have heard over the last twenty years and put them in someone’s mouth.

bho has already said he will not work with congress. bho has zero use of courts(unless they give him what HE wants), bho has zero use for our Republic or citizens. bho thinks our nation owes the rest of the world every penny they need because we are a capitisist country. bho hates, and I mean hates about as bad as any previous person and will do anything he can to make us worse than a third world country? Wanna bet he won’t do that if re-elected?

I will not bet on it. I have already seen who and what bho is and he is a very evil person. Every person around bho is as evil as he is and I mean mo/jarrett/foto’s! I will do all I can to see to it bho is NOT re-elected!
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Problem: O is likely to win a 2nd term.
We are hollering for joy how the doomsday for O is Nov 6, 2012, but the polls don’t show that. Look at today’s polls: O up 3 in Gallup, O up 2 in Rasmussen, O up 3 in Democracy Corps, and the Repub advantage on the Congressional Congressional Vote has shrunk to +2, and may dissipate altogether: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
What gets me is the happy go lucky “we don’t have to eviscerate O” attitude in a McCain style campaign that makes a big deal to point out that “the campaign is nothing like McCain’s.”

WE HAVE TO FIERCELY ATTACK OBAMA. Without a dramatic and sustained negative campaign against Obama, the public is going to keep rolling back to 50%+ levels of support for O, and that’s all O needs. Find the baseline issues, like the “New Morality,” F + Furious, immigration, obamacare, out of control govt, ground zero mosque, on and on.

WE HAVE TO FIERCELY ATTACK OBAMA. Without a dramatic and sustained negative campaign against Obama, the public is going to keep rolling back to 50%+ levels of support for O, and that’s all O needs. Find the baseline issues, like the “New Morality,” F + Furious, immigration, obamacare, out of control govt, ground zero mosque, on and on.

I read earlier that the candidate for the Institutional Revolutionary Party is in the lead to replace Calderon. I will confess to knowing next to nothing about Mexico’s politics.

Does anyone know if the IRP would be friendly with Obama or what a new Mexican President might do about Fast and Furious?

Flora Duh on July 1, 2012 at 2:16 PM

The PRI(Partido Revolutionario Institutional) Had been the ruling party for 80 years following the Mexican revolution. They are a socialist party and they claim they represent the working class. The last two presidents have been from PAN(Partido Accion National) and been more conservative party.

The problem with Mexico is no matter who is running the country, corruption and incompetance keep most of the people poor while the connected get rich, sound familiar?

Rumor has it that thr PRI is making back door deals with the Cartels to bring down the violence and give the people a little more security. The problem is that the Cartels will continue to kidnap, extort, enslave the Mexican people and since they do not have the right to have private weapons thay are defensless to defend themselves against Cartel activity.

1. Just get it over with and declare the Constitution a 18th century document that “doesn’t address the 21st Century needs of a transformed America”. And did we mention it was written by a bunch of wig wearing Pilgrim slave owners that were racists?

2. Make the Radio and television airwaves a “public utility” and turn all of it into either writhing Lady Gaga type shows or channel after channel after channel of NPR “All things considered” or that hideous local government channel where they drone on for hours about the storm drains on 49th street and someone wants to know why the trash service only picks up on Mondays.

3. Takeover the Energy industry outright.
I mean “it’s the resources of the American People and it should be used……IN THEIR BEST INTERESTS.”

4. People don’t need guns and they don’t need cars.
Guns find their way into all sorts of violent crimes, small children need to be protected first and so all guns should be banned within 500 feet of a child. And cars? people can just spare the upkeep and all the fees and expense by just riding in public transportation.

5. People need “free healthcare”.
Just takeover all forms of healthcare administration. Put clinics in various places in the community so you can sit in the large waiting room of 200 people either sick and coughing their heads off, or stinking because they haven’t taken a bath in a week or belching up the crap they just ate at Taco Bell.

6. Charity?
Who better to decide where to spend money on the poor than the government supported (Union run) organizations like AmeriCorps? Can you really trust people that don’t know how to prepare food to make brown bag lunches for the homeless and pass them out on the street corners? What about their dietary needs?

7. Faith?
Just license all ministers. Force them to toe the line of the all-powerful state and preach tolerance and obedience. If they don’t then they can be shut down for various zoning issues. Really why do people need to look for redemption and meaning in their lives when they could work in one of the various Government run charities?

8. Re-Education Centers.
Start funding them, open them, and have those individuals in non-compliance with “goals of tolerance, and public service” be sent there for a week, two weeks, whatever it takes. In fact, isn’t rebellion a mental illness and treatable……with the right mix of medications of course.

Did I just about cover it?

***remember: We are Paul Revere!!!!

Ride patriots, use our 2012 lanterns and church bell towers to spread the news (emails/postings/etc.)

And now the “recovery” is showing every sign of stalling and the economy is resting on a knife edge from month to month. He couldn’t possibly consider turning around this winter and going all in on the DREAM act, could he?

..hey Jazz, you guys ought to lose the economic language tap-dance and totally and completely disabuse yourselves of ANY NOTION that the economy is “showing every sign of stalling”. It IS stalled and any knife metaphor should involve something along the lines of a dagger through the heart, what with this hatchet-asssed fool’s crap-sack ACA and dervish-like pirouettes on jobs.

The guy is a bumbling incompetent. Re-electing him would be like the message in that old Ray Bradbury story that asks the question, “What fool would put a gun in the hands of a mental retard?”

Win the House & Senate and then tell him to get sit in his high chair for 4 years and whine like a baby…yes, I know, Executive Order, blah,blah…

hillsoftx on July 1, 2012 at 3:16 PM

..Naw, mate, won’t work. Only if you have enough folks in the Senate to over-ride his vetoes. No re-election to worry about and the ego that wants to defend his uber-lib new age FDR legacy will make him and any surviving Dems like a whole squadron of Kamikazes fighting for their causes.

I think he’d go for amnesty/citizenship for the 20 to God knows how many millions of illegals (thus ensuring a permanent Democratic majority) and then go for the guns. He does that, and I’m going Chuck Heston on him: ‘From my cold, dead hands!’

Dems believe there is nothing really bad that you can do to the economy. Raise taxes and the increased government sending matches the decreased consumer spending. Waste money on a bridge-to-nowhere and the salaries of the workers building it still get spent. Put half the population on welfare and you get life-time voter support AND increases in low-end spending via “all McDonald’s all the time” eating habits. The idea that somethings generate more economic growth and somethings less (or even negative) growth never occurs to them.

Pouring money into a green company that promptly goes bankrupt IS different than Apple announcing the next I-phone. But not to Dems. If they can get credit for doing something, or anything, there’s nothing to complain about as far Dems are concerned.

Nancy Pelosi is not going back to Majority Leader if Obama wins, there is very little chance of that. They have yet to tell us what Obama intends to do in the next four years. Obama has not said he is going to do anything, he just hints. If he is elected he will have divided government, and will not be able to get his legislation thru. He will have to do more of this executive power thing, and while he walks a fuzzy line right now, that is only because republicans are trying to let him exit gracefully…for them…He will never get back the first two years of his term when he had the House and the Senate on his side. Every week will be the kind of scheming that you see now. And if he doesn’t please the other 49.99% of the country that doesn’t vote him in, he will have even more republican House and more republican Senators in his mid term. A four year lame duck, Work-a-round Presidency.

I think he’d go for amnesty/citizenship for the 20 to God knows how many millions of illegals (thus ensuring a permanent Democratic majority) TxAnn56 on July 1, 2012 at 3:27 PM

What I don’t get is these Republicans, Rubio, etc who are okay with amnesty. Don’t they know that once they get amnesty for 20 million here and the other 20 million that will come in with chain migration, new illegals, etc, Republicans will “NEVER” win another presidential election?

Priority #1 will not be “immigration” “reform”, it will be cap-and-trade. Energy suppression came even before “health” “care” on the left’s agenda. But when it came to a choice of which of the two to spend their political capital, Pelosi/Reid/Obama wing chose wisely, as it turned out.

Priority #2 will be suppression of free speech on the internet (in the name of “protection” of course).

Of course he could. Øbama cares about the economy only as it bears on his re-election. After that, it’s all about making this country into a one-part socialist system… and screwing the private sector economy.

Given the dictatorial nature of his regulators and EOs so far, I would expect government by decree and fiat to be the rule. Business – especially energy and finance – would be crippled under a second four years of the Regime. It would become a question of national survival.

Romney needs to stop playing it safe. Use those zillion dollars in campaign contributions to carpet-bomb the opposition over the health care mandate and the economy. I don’t care when the convention is – you’re late to the dance already, Mitt.

Of course he could! And he could also continue to increase union power, using the Fed to fight against reforms like Walker’s and Daniels’ right to work legislation.

Obama is a true believer. He truly thinks that he saved the economy from the next Great Depression. He truly thinks he’s been a great POTUS. Yes, he is THAT delusional and THAT stupid. And if given a chance you can bet your bottom dollar, before it’s confiscated anyway that he will continue to take money from those who are productive and shovel it down the gaping maw of government in the name of “fairness” and “social justice.”

He will nuke into oblivion the District that gave him the lowest percentage of votes, as a lesson to the other 12 Districts.

Each year, he will require the other 12 Districts to send one boy and one girl between the ages of 12 and 18 to participate in a game to the death, as punishment for refusing to simply extend his term by mass acclamation.

Whatever the agenda, he’ll get to pick 2-3 more SCOTUS justices. Before the other day the worry would be merely that he’d pack the court with Kagan-type creatures. Now we wouldn’t even be safe if he picked a couple-three Roberts’. Finesse or not, long game or not, this ruling allowed the destruction of healthcare to proceed apace. The tipping point has been reached, It really is not now worth your while to be a productive citizen.

He couldn’t possibly consider turning around this winter and going all in on the DREAM act, could he?

Just think of the absolutely worst thing he could possibly do for the country, what would damage the lives and the futures of hard working taxpayers and screw them over so badly that they might never recover? When you have an answer to that, then you know what Obama will do in his second term.

His goal is to bring America, the great satan, to her knees. He’s doing a pretty good job so far.

You are missing the point. We either will or will not have real elections in November. I give it a 50% chance. He is acting like he does not have to worry about elections already.

Let us say we have bogus elections that re-install him for a second term, or we …screw up so badly that he is actually re-elected. He has already shown a penchant for rule by decree, ignoring the laws and the lawmakers, and the courts. We will be looking at his 3rd term, 4th term, etc. until he elects himself for life. And for that matter, he may plan to run for a second term after that.

If he wins by fair means or foul, it is over until whenever the regime is taken down. And that won’t be electorally.

America used to be different from the rest of the world. He has made us like them. OK, we play by whatever rules are in force, and make up a few of our own along the way.

If he loses, however it happens; then we will have Romney. Not exactly an encouraging thought. But that means that political means are not dead…yet. Of course, we will have to deal with the inevitable civil disorder and terrorism from the Democrats and their allies. I suspect that the suppression will not be done with kid gloves. It might be worthwhile reading up on Germany’s Weimar Republic from 1919-1923.

You are missing the point. We either will or will not have real elections in November. I give it a 50% chance. He is acting like he does not have to worry about elections already.

So true. Remember the 214 people that all lived in the same house in OH, but when the reporter went there, it was a vacant lot? Dogs are getting motor voter registration cards in the mail…military ballots are being thrown away. I think we could actually win a clean election. But there will be, just guessing here, probably about 10% of the vote for Obama will be fraudulent. So if we squeak by with a 1% win, we probably won by 10%.

My favorite phrase my whole life has always been “These are the good old days” and I just find that harder and harder to say anymore. I am becoming demoralized. I’ll still go out and vote of course, but I have no hope for change. I think he’s going to get a second term and destroy the country.

The most worrisome aspect is that, unlike other “lame duck” Presidents, Obama will not respect what that status means. He may try to get legislation done the first two years, but in the last two years he will run wild with executive measures of one kind and another. This is not a possibility, it is a certainty.