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i'm wondering how many $cribble cds he'd have sold if it had been pressed
avid collectors would def buy it but how many avid collectors are we talking about ?
all in all that's gotta be quite some business to take care of for not much money at all in the end
he should press like 200 cds and sell them for $30 at least, i'd buy that

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new esham's out on spotify and itunes, somebody cop that bitch and send me the mpthrees plz
"let it snow," "i'm sorry," "snowball" and "cold winter's night" were produced by my homie King Arthur from East France

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ESG, do you have production credits for this Esham record? I cant find any on the webs- and I'm writing a review right now. That would help a bit. I miss the old days of Esham producing all of his own shit.

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"How you finna shine? when its winter time? and theres wolves out here, and its dinner time" -Esham

Esham, the Unholy Godfather of the Wicked Shit, Black Hitler; delivers ice cold wickedness on his most recent EP. During the United States coldest winter in recent history, the concept album "Dead of Winter" proves that Esham is still reinventing himself with each release. His latest work conjures imagery of the miserable cold and darkness that one would experience on the streets of Seven Mile on the Eastside of Detroit. Creating winter themes that help the listener suspend reality and become lost within the musical styling of a Motown Legend is executed effortlessly. In this Frozen meets Nightmare on Elm Street meets The Wire extended play, Esham demonstrates his ability to provide a fresh and inventive approach to hip hip in an era when unoriginal redundancy seems to be the norm.

Hypothermia-Immediately, the album sets the tone and breaks the ice with its opener Hypothermia. With a swing set percussion that drives the rhythm, accompanied by 1940’s style jazz horn samples and 80’s metal guitar riffs. Eshams unorthodox delivery dances around the rhythm; the reoccurring top of the beat “Hypothermia” highlights Eshams ability to inject catchy hooks that just wont leave your head for days. In the last verse it should be noted that Esham makes reference to Detroits own Blade IceWood, of CheddaBoyz fame- also from Seven mile. ( but from the West Side of Detroit.) 3/5 ***

Dead of Winter¨- Next up, Esham shatters any notions that the Wicked Shit vet has lost his way. “In the Dead of Winter, the death of a winner, I know I’m going to hell cuz I am a sinner, been doin this all my life, I’m no beginner, if lifes a bitch I put my dick all in her”. The production helps create an icey groove for Esham to lyrically skate over with perfection. “I’ve walked on ice, and never fell. I’m Eshams BOOMIN, words from hell”. This track is 100% ice cold. One verse, no hook- straight to the point- Esham assures his fan base that indeed, the Wicked Shit will never die. 5/5*****

Let It Snow- In a departure from the in your face hard hitting tracks we’ve all come to love and expect from Esham, Let It Snow lives in cold, desolate isolation. Sonically ambient, the minimalist production provides sanctuary for deep grizzly vocals, with simplistic rhyme structure- describing Eshams long relationship with cocaine, while the song feels more in line with the Lean Slowed craze that started with DJ Screw and Swisha House. Esham adds his own acid rap twist to this track creating a genre of his own within a genre of his own. Most will attempt to replicate this sound and will fail miserably. 2/5 **

Sub Zero- In yet another departure- Esham displays his musical versatility on the rock driven ballad Sub Zero. Heavy guitar riffs blanket thick kick drums and a snappy snare/clap combo. While we’d hope that Esham would rip this production to shreds with his sharp as a knife acid rap – instead he pushes his artistic limits by delivering a Marilyn Manson like vocal offering. “So cold, so cold, its so cold, its so cold without you”. This is just the tip of ice berg, as beneath surface Esham reveals the track title Sub Zero is in reference to his now ice-cold heart. “You turned me into a villain killin these heros, my heart is ice cold now they call me sub-zero, I used to be so high but now I’m so below, let me know if you feel icy icy blue like me”. Brilliant metaphoric delivery that works well inside this concept album. 4/5 ****

I’m Sorry- Always a Gentleman, Esham prefaces the song by stating its dedication to the ladies. While assuming the identity of the typical down and out male struggling with women issues, Esham apologizes for a plethora of short comings. “I’m sorry I’m not that man you wanted me to be and I’m a loser, sorry I used to be a drug abuser. I’m sorry I cant be all I can be like in the army, from Detroit and all these niggas wanna harm me”. These perfectly crafted lyrics are delivered through a somewhat pitiful tone that only reinforces the state of mind and emotion of the main character. Eshams brilliant performance convinces the listener so well that one almost forgets that Esham is a self-made millionaire and a pioneer in the hip hop industry. None of these apologizes could ever apply to such a successful artist. The continued heavy metal guitar riffs sampled for this song seem lazy, and I feel I deserve an apology for listening to this as long as I have. 2/5 **

El Diablo – El Diablo, in Spanish which roughly translates to “ A man in a red costume who wishes he could be as evil as Esham” provides the return to the wicked shit. The production laced with a chopped and synthesized voice repeating “El Diablo” is as annoying as it sounds. The best way to describe the production would be to imagine schizophrenia trapped in an 808. Unruly and intentionally irrational, the production is saved by the lyrical genius of East Side Hoes and Money. “Drivin down the street, with my finger on the trigga. I got 4 .44’s (4:44) but my name aint Jigga”. This obvious diss directed at Jay Z only confirms what we’ve all believed all along, that Esham is not happy with Jay Z and Beyonce’s union and that the Queen B belongs with Esham, the true king of New York. However, Esham does not tolerate a bitchs’ insolence and thus Pussy aint Got No Face. Only Esham could take such a terribly crafted beat and make a gem out of it. “Whooo, Ric Flair in this bitch, Boy I been had balls you grow a pair in this bitch, Whooo, the Nature Boy, that’s why they Hate cha boy, all the super models date cha boy that’s why they under rate cha booooooooyyyyyy.” This line alone saves this track. The A ’Capella of this track would be much better. 3/5 ***

Snowballs Chance In Hell- “How much dope do you think you gon sell? You got a snowballs chance in hell. If you get caught think he aint gon tell, you got a snowballs chance in hell” (Or something like that). Esham finds himself providing a myriad of hypothetical scenarios in which he depicts his cynical side reassuring that they would have a Snowballs Chance In Hell to succeed. The production is much better this time around and Esham finds comfort in delivering lyrical mastery bar after bar. My favorite notable line? “You got a Snowballs Chance In Hell, If you think your girl is true- bitches will leave your ass stinkin like some Doo-Doo”. Esham provides some timely and relevant political insight with “ You’ve got a Snowballs Chance in hell if you think the Presidents getting impeached. You got a snowballs chance in hell for blood to stop spilling in these streets” (Detroit, along with Chicago have continued to set record highs for murders in the US). This track is very “Esham”- excellent concept and amazing delivery. 4/5****

A Cold Winters Night- (I really wish I didn’t choose to review this entire album track by track. I should have just written one paragraph saying that I dug it. Fuck, I’ve had to listen to almost every single one of these songs three or four times in a row before I wrote something, and now its like I’ve wasted the last three hours of my day doing this) Finally! Esham comes completely out of left field with a right hook of superior lyricism atop an ice cold production. Eshams tone is militant and angry, but calm and collected. “Out cold, they salute, army fatigues and boots, Im General Motors and you all new recruits” Audibly I exclaimed “OOHHH God Damn”.The confidence of this lyrical delivery provided further proof to his mastery and superiority after decades of honing his craft. Easily the best track of the collection. Esham pays homage to his fallen comrade TNT that’s followed by a presumably intentional vocal moment of silence. TNT. Again, pure rap, no hooks- Esham executes his unique and signature brand of hip hop flawlessly 5/5 *****

Aurora Borealis- Its quite possible that I’ve spoken too soon. Aura Borealis, appropriately titled displays yet another modern wonder of the natural world. Esham delivers a lyrical composition as smooth as freshly fallen snow. “Upgrade dope trade, the cops run they raids, we skatin on thin ice, call it ice capades, if you don’t stay on your toes, you might catch the fade, my heart is filled with malice, aurora borealis.” And before I could let out another audible GOD DAMN, Esham follows up with “Get paid get paid g-g-g-get paid, if you playin with the paper then you can g-g-g-get sprayed. I got the outside alligator inside suede. Call me special ed cuz yo I got it made”. (Which is a reference to a bullshit song from a bullshit NY artist from the late 80’s/Early 90’s). The dopest thing about Special Ed is that Esham just name dropped him. Esham skiis over the beat and doesn’t let the momentum stop as he continues with “She said I feel dead inside, I said get inside, let me drive you to suicide. These voices howd they get inside, these feelings I cant hide, lets take a murder ride”. STOP WHAT YOURE DOING AND READ THAT AGAIN! Did you do it? No? Ok fuck you then. Esham just single handedly saved the Wicked Shit. Esham just resurrected an entire genre with one verse. I dare you to listen to this song, and tell me that Esham isn’t the wickedest to ever do it. I stopped the song right there, bc whats the point? Esham is the greatest and based on that last line alone- this song is a fucking solid 5/5 and is now my favorite song on the album. 5/5****

In summation- Esham proves yet again after 30 years in the business that he is still a pioneer and a master of his craft. In this world there sits none higher than the King. The Unholy, Godfather of the Wicket Shit. EAST SIDE HOES AND MONEY! All in all, 4/5 **** Which is fucking unbelievable for an Esham record.

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Originally Posted by Larry

^^^Did you send the package yet? If not throw that in there as well, please.

my laptop won't play nor burn cds or dvds anymore so Nick Legrek's taking care of the NataS dvd, all the other cds have been burned alright, and yes i'd love to throw the new album in there as well but i don't have the mpthrees i don't use itunes, you can't buy 'em from spotify and i can't download mpthrees from the american amazon either, i don't have the words to tell you how dope that is
hopefully Nim finds a link, i'll keep lookin for one too

Originally Posted by Nuffy

ESG, do you have production credits for this Esham record? I cant find any on the webs- and I'm writing a review right now. That would help a bit. I miss the old days of Esham producing all of his own shit.

like i posted before that's all i have

Originally Posted by Eastside Gorilla

"let it snow," "i'm sorry," "snowball's chance in hell" and "cold winter's night" were produced by my homie King Arthur from East France

i have no idea who made the other beats

dope review Nuffy, i'll post my thoughts later
def best album of the decade so far tho

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Originally Posted by Nuffy

I feel like I wasted my time writing that review. Fuck all of you.

Very good review Nuffy...I almost fell asleep during Let It Snow. Not bad overall...but those damn slow tracks are hard for me to put up with and endure without skipping.With that said...there are some very good tracks on here and Esham seems to have gotten a little of his old fire back again.

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I almost went with that, if it weren't for the title track - with him spitting all that gibberish. worth the price of admission alone.

Esham really is a fucking pioneer doing shit no one has done before him. - think about that one track off of the Yabba dabba doo bomb ass podcast where the raps are in a computer voice. Alpha dog, I think it is.

I almost went with that, if it weren't for the title track - with him spitting all that gibberish. worth the price of admission alone.

Esham really is a fucking pioneer doing shit no one has done before him. - think about that one track off of the Yabba dabba doo bomb ass podcast where the raps are in a computer voice. Alpha dog, I think it is.

not trying to say it's all pure hot lava, but it sure is original.

the Yabba dabba doo podcast is so great, i think it's the one that has an unreleased TNT solo song too

ESG, do you have production credits for this Esham record? I cant find any on the webs- and I'm writing a review right now. That would help a bit. I miss the old days of Esham producing all of his own shit.

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Originally Posted by Kerry Von Erich

I almost went with that, if it weren't for the title track - with him spitting all that gibberish. worth the price of admission alone.

Esham really is a fucking pioneer doing shit no one has done before him. - think about that one track off of the Yabba dabba doo bomb ass podcast where the raps are in a computer voice. Alpha dog, I think it is.

not trying to say it's all pure hot lava, but it sure is original.

Yeah, I think A1 Yola is pretty much E's worst album IMO.
I'm really surprised that no one has ever taken all the remixed and unreleased tracks from all the Bombass Podcasts and hasn't separated them and put them in a file to share with the fam.
I know this would take a long while to do...if I had some more free time on my hands I would probably do it myself.
Any one here feel up to doing it?

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Originally Posted by Eastside Gorilla

^ i started doing that last year but it's too much fuckin work, that's gotta be 100+ songs
that'd be so dope tho

Yeah...it would definitely be some work that would take a long time for sure. But man, it would be dope to have those tracks to put in my IPod to bump in the ride and have in my personal library.
Maybe someday we will all get lucky and we can get that done. It would be tight as hell if E would release all that shit as a box set or something like that...or a direct download file that you can pay for from him.
Oh well...I can still dream{LOL}.

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Supportive friends? I already have one dead friend who was too retarded to see he was being brainwashed. Now here we go again, another down and out loser with nothing to live for being manipulated by fucking Lisa. Eat all the dicks Jon, eat all of the ducks. Oops- ya missed one. There ya go. Turn round, and get fucked.

No he’s no longer invited to the Sleep Overs, well just have to play two player Golden Eye, which is fucking fine Bc I don’t like how small the screen is when it’s split, and last time when we hooked up four different flat screens Larry mule kicked one over and pissed on it.

Also- this Esham album is the tits, and at least it doesn’t live in its car.

I hope you bought a Great Milenko shirt at that concert we could have gone together (I would have bought it for you)... Lisa needs another jokers card for her collection. Ya bitch.

You stupid nerdy fucking bitch hanging out with Kent and talking about dicks for real. Weirdo.

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Yeeeaah that's great dude. Great post. Did you snort a big line for that one?

Lily, Kent and Lisa are supportive friends in that they take me for who I am. And, of course, they aren't coke heads that go around leaving a trail of wake and destruction. You're not gonna break my heart or ruin me like you do to everyone else in your life - which is of course only women because you have no "Mail Dominance".

Yeah let's hang out, I'll park my home right on top of your grave right after you overdose. Fake ass tony Montana

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Yeh I can handle my drugs and don’t have to hide from a forum of strangers for weeks at a time bc i “had a beer”. I definitely haven’t almost died from smoking some bullshit homeless weed. You joined a small professional wrestling squad as an excuse to hug on a bunch of dudes... at 30 plus years. Talk about mid life crisis damn, last week you were shaking Obie Trices hand, now he’s a buster? What the fucks with that?

Enjoy Lilly and Kent, and fucking Lisa of all people you shady fake ass bitch. What’s the matter Jon? Thought we’d hang out and have a good time? Oh that’s right, you didn’t want me fucking one of your girl friends like everyone else already has.

Sorry bub, keep this shit up and you’re getting the no vassaline treatment.

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^ $cribble has like 4 good songs and production is awfully ordinary
and Dead of Winter is totally original and perfectly executed, and wicked, ain't that what we've always wanted from esham ?

I agree Eastside...Dead of Winter is better than Scribble. For me it has E returning to a more Devil Shit type vibe...I want more of that from E again. I really miss that hard core wicked shit that he used to do so well. I would like to see a return to that from E because no one can do it like he used too. ICP's version of the wicked shit always came across to me as to comedic and not as real as E.

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J said in an interview that ICP used to speed up their vocals. I wonder if Esham did the same back then.

Skimmed through the Natas DVD a few days ago. Its what I was expecting. It's similar to the Death Of An Indie Label documentary - lots of old concert footage with light commentary (Esham stops to tell a funny story about his RLP jacket being snatched at a show) They go through all the albums, some get more talked about than others. Clips of a Mastamind interview are thrown in. One fact I did not know was that Esham and TNT met with a record executive in New York who was ready to give Natas a deal but Mastamind didn't want to do it, which is why he only appeared on one track on N Of Tha World. Esham also said the group was together full force for Fuqerrbdy, yet TNT is only on one track.

I'll definitely go back and watch it start to finish at some point. Its nice that a final boxset and documentary was made in remembrance of a great rap group that not enough people know about.

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J said in an interview that ICP used to speed up their vocals. I wonder if Esham did the same back then.

idk, sounds very unlikely to me
speeding up the vocals would mean rappin' over a slower beat too or rappin' twice as slow, wouldn't it ? then you'd totally hear it, and i think raps would just be off-beat otherwise ? i like to believe these guys could rap their asses off especially back in the days
besides that Zug Izland song in the middle of which Violent J has an amazingly fast flow and i don't think it was meant to make believe he could rap that fast, i don't see what other ICP song would have the vocals sped up
i've gone through many horrible raps myself and speeding up the vocals's never been an option, idk

Originally Posted by Larry

Skimmed through the Natas DVD a few days ago. Its what I was expecting. It's similar to the Death Of An Indie Label documentary - lots of old concert footage with light commentary (Esham stops to tell a funny story about his RLP jacket being snatched at a show) They go through all the albums, some get more talked about than others. Clips of a Mastamind interview are thrown in. One fact I did not know was that Esham and TNT met with a record executive in New York who was ready to give Natas a deal but Mastamind didn't want to do it, which is why he only appeared on one track on N Of Tha World. Esham also said the group was together full force for Fuqerrbdy, yet TNT is only on one track.

I'll definitely go back and watch it start to finish at some point. Its nice that a final boxset and documentary was made in remembrance of a great rap group that not enough people know about.

TNT is on 5 or 6 tracks maybe, itunes version included, but yeah
i don't see how the dvd could have been any better tbh, except for a bit of professional live footage maybe but that's it, it's all very well put together in a very esham way and i don't need to know more really
that moment when they seem to be rehearsin the WWW.COM album or shooting a video on that smoky red stage is fuckin dope

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Last night Esham rocked it in front a considerable crowd of twelve at a dingy club I've never heard of in a hollowed area of the hood. We got there right on time as the openers were finishing up. I did notice two tables set up in the back draped with RLP logos but no merch. A woman was sitting behind them. Then I noticed Esham talking to her so I walked up and gave him a dap. He gave me a little hug and thanked me for coming out. Turns out they did have merch but it was already packed up in the SUV (I'm wondering if they even bothered to take it out) So the girl was nice enough to go back out in the cold and fish me out a shirt.

The set started with the KKKill The Fetus intro and he did three songs off that. Then he started mixing it up. Went through a lot of his classics. He asked everyone to give it up for his DJ, Mr. Invisible (There was no DJ behind the gear. Hey, at least E has a sense of humor) He continued to have several conversations with Mr. Invisible throughout the night. He invited everyone to take a drink every time some new wicked shit played AKA every time he preformed another song.

I wish there was a better turnout but getting a private performance was doap. Seems that E draws better in certain cities than others. Word is he drew a really good crowd the night before in Buffalo. He ended the set by giving each of us a personal thank you ("You, in the ONYX shirt, I love you!") I'm guessing this is Esham's final hurrah, his version of a This Is It tour. A salute to a true originator of Hip-hop. My friend even made the girl go back out in the cold and fish another shirt out.

I really didn't have time to hang around afterwards. A pic would have been cool. I was going to try to get a video of him shouting out ESG but didn't catch him in time. Maybe Vanda1 can try it.