Thanks for the info. What's the deal today, with submitted tasks not showing up anywhere?

You are aware of that you replied to a message regarding a problem in late November?

And when it comes to the tasks not showing up:

The BOINC replica database, which holds and presents the data you request is offline, following a DB Crasch of Mork the BOINC master database.

That's the reason why you can't see all your tasks. It will come online as soon as it is reasonably in sync with mork again. However I doubt it will happen before the 24 hour total outage Sunday (01/03/2010) at 12 noon (Pacific time).

Thanks Sten. Yes, I was aware that the previous post was extremely old, but I couldn't find any posts relating to the most recent problem. I appreciate your very helpful reply/explanation. Happy New Year!! :D
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Thanks Sten. Yes, I was aware that the previous post was extremely old, but I couldn't find any posts relating to the most recent problem. I appreciate your very helpful reply/explanation. Happy New Year!! :D

Usually the best place for info is to either ask in the Questions and Answers section or in Number Crunching.
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your server is very ofen down
you have to sold your problem to be always online
I have my own problem to ( hard disk to much use and sometimes down )
but I find solution to it in few hours/(minutes) I will be online and work for all times
for me this is the deal I manage to work all time
but you must be on line all times
if not I can't lose my time for somethink don't work
and I will close my acces
thanks

your server is very ofen down
you have to sold your problem to be always online
I have my own problem to ( hard disk to much use and sometimes down )
but I find solution to it in few hours/(minutes) I will be online and work for all times
for me this is the deal I manage to work all time
but you must be on line all times
if not I can't lose my time for somethink don't work
and I will close my acces
thanks

Actually, what you are asking is the exact opposite of what BOINC is trying to do. BOINC is trying to provide our CPU cycles to projects who need them and can't afford their own high end servers.

Since these projects cannot afford expensive servers, there will be times when they are down. Your best solution is to join another project and divvy up your resources between them.

If you refuse to join another project, then you must understand that there will be times when SETI is down and you are without work. If that is unacceptable to you, then BOINC/SETI is not for you and you should probably close your access as soon as you can.

However, I'd rather chance your mind and keep you as a volunteer, but in order to do so we must address the idea that SETI needs to be online more, which simply is not possible.
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I've stayed with SETI off and on for 10 years. When the computer is turned on it is with SETI.
Has anything come of this?
Has anyting promising been found?
Is there a good reason to continue the SETI?
How many of us are still hunting for SETI?
I realize it is a large cosmos, but it is starting to seem as if it is a very large waste of space, as Carl Sagan suggested it might be.
Perhaps we should be content with 'them' at last making their presence known.
Perhaps the cost of electricity and other facilities is not so dear to them.
Perhaps if there is a 'them' they have found it too dear a SETI to continue.

Lots of data has been processed. We're still in the data-collecting stage.

Has anyting promising been found?

I'm sure lots of interesting signals have been found, but there's no way to know until we can re-observe those points in the sky. The NTPCKR was designed to help distinguish which signals are the most interesting so we can mark them for re-observation.

Is there a good reason to continue the SETI?

If you're a firm believer in the idea that life is out there and are opposed to the idea that giving up could be the moment before we actually find E.T.I., then yes.

A quote from Thomas Edison comes to mind: "Many of life's failures are people who did not realize how close they were to success when they gave up."

How many of us are still hunting for SETI?

It shouldn't be measured in how many of us, but how much valid science is being processed. There were far more participants during SETI Classic, back when Contact and Hollywood supported the SETI idea, but the science was immature and lots of re-work was done unnecessarily.

By contrast, since maturing and joining BOINC, SETI has processed more useful data than they ever did during the Classic years with less participants.

I realize it is a large cosmos, but it is starting to seem as if it is a very large waste of space, as Carl Sagan suggested it might be.

Carl Sagan actually said he believe the Universe was teeming with life. It may very well be that our primitive methods for finding ETI are inefficient, but until we can develop better, we have to stick with what we have.

Perhaps we should be content with 'them' at last making their presence known.

For all we know, they have made their presence known, but we haven't been listening properly.

Perhaps the cost of electricity and other facilities is not so dear to them.

It's unknown what types of power sources they would/could use. As long as we don't know, we have to stick with what we do know, even if it is primitive by their standards. It's still better than not looking at all.

Perhaps if there is a 'them' they have found it too dear a SETI to continue.

That's a very large speculative statement for which we do not and cannot know their beliefs/opinions at this time. From a scientific standpoint, we can only continue on.

One last Thomas Edison quote comes to mind through all of this: "I have not failed, I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."

Can you please tell me what a good score is.
As of today I had zero but it has jumped significantly in the past few hours and I am unsure of the scoring (credit) system???
Also how does score be obtained, what happens to give me a score at all..
Sorry for my ignorance....

Can you please tell me what a good score is.
As of today I had zero but it has jumped significantly in the past few hours and I am unsure of the scoring (credit) system???
Also how does score be obtained, what happens to give me a score at all..
Sorry for my ignorance....

To give you a brief answer, a good score is relative to what hardware you have. Try not looking at your score so much unless you have a deep pocket and want to complete with the Top Participants or the Top Computers.

Credit is granted only after two workunits match closely. Initially, each workunit (or task) is sent out to two computers to be "crunched". Each computer sends back their result so they can be compared. Since some computers are faster than others, some credit can remain in "Pending" status for a while, while others get granted pretty quickly. Sometimes, some users never finish their work or their was a mistake in sending the workunit (task) and it must reach it's deadline before it can be re-sent. If two results do not match closely enough, another is sent out as a "tie breaker".

For each task you complete successfully, you will receive Credit, which is just a measure of your contribution to BOINC and cannot be spent on anything physical at all. There is also your Recent Average Credit (RAC) which shows how much you contribute, on average, over a period of about a month. Think of your RAC as your speedometer on your car, while your Total Credit is your Odometer displaying your total mileage.

If you have any other questions, feel free to drop in the Number Crunching forum or the Questions and Answers forum.
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I've stayed with SETI off and on for 10 years. When the computer is turned on it is with SETI.
Has anything come of this?
Has anyting promising been found?
Is there a good reason to continue the SETI?

Let see one more 10 years :)

I'm afraid because of another reason: Nobody still gave me guarantee that we are definately hunting SETI, but not computing something for CIA or another organization. I'm afraid, that SETI and other boinc projects are not just cover for, for instance, military computations.
What u think?

Hi Molgao,
I must say your post made me chuckle to myself. I guess the best "proof" that this is not a government conspiracy would be that the CIA and such would have their own super computers dedicated to such things. They wouldn't need us and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't want anything they were working on to be let loose out in the wild like this is. I would guess if we ever do find anything the government spooks would go crazy.

What we are doing is geared more to the scientific community though. SETI also picks up things like pulsars and can be used to locate and study them too. As for other BOINC projects, they are doing many other scientific studies such as a search for a cure for cancer and other diseases. BOINC is designed for projects running on a tight budget. The little guys needing help with whatever it is they may need a lot of computing power for but can't afford to buy or rent time on a super computer.
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My answer to the server being down at times is to set my preferences to indicate that I want enough work for my computer so that I have AT LEAST FIVE (5) DAYS OF WORK AVAILABLE ON MY COMPUTER. Since I seldom turn my computer off I feel that with that amount of work available I can ignore the server being down for several days without any problem other than completing much of the work and not having it show up on my account as finished but even that is not a problem since my main aim in volunteering my computer time is to give the project more computation time and NOT to run up points or whatever.

The whole point of distributed computing is YOU provide your spare computer cycles to a project to use as they see fit. It is NOT a 24/7 gaming platform for your entertanment. Been with SET 10+ yrs, run a 10 day cache and check it once a week. Never had "issues". No need to micro manage this thing on the user side because the user is supplying science with resources, science is not supplying users with a toy.
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...and science needs the computing power provided by us all, isn't it?
While there are still a lot packages from 2007 around, I think it can't be
a bad idea to get some extra computing time by extra willing users ;-)

I'd also welcome a preference setting where I can demand more packages on hold
in case the project isn't available, which happens every Tuesday due to the
regular maintainance.

I've noticed that today my amount of owing credits didn't got updated.
Last entries are from Sunday but my real credits were still increasing during the day.

...and science needs the computing power provided by us all, isn't it?
While there are still a lot packages from 2007 around, I think it can't be
a bad idea to get some extra computing time by extra willing users ;-)

The project is always looking for users. We're only processing 2007 data now because it was too noisy to be processed then. Most of the current stuff has already been processed with MultiBeam. We're still waiting for the database to be fixed before they hand out new AstroPulse.

I'd also welcome a preference setting where I can demand more packages on hold
in case the project isn't available, which happens every Tuesday due to the
regular maintainance.

You can already control extra work through your preferences in your account. Go to your Computing Preferences and under Network Usage, increase the number for "Maintain enough additional work for X days".

I've noticed that today my amount of owing credits didn't got updated.
Last entries are from Sunday but my real credits were still increasing during the day.

That's because the Replica database is offline, so nothing in anyone's account will be updated until that is fixed.
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