Tuesday, May 19, 2009

You take yourself waaay too seriously. Imagine what a twat I'd look like if I went after every other person that talked shit about my blog. And just so you know, I don't fucking follow your blog OK? Some reader sent me the link to your video. He probably felt sorry for you.

You clearly don't get the point of this blog.

You also clearly don't get the point of me being anonymous. Do you really think I want freetards hassling me in my real life? I just want a place to voice my frustrations. It's all o'y'all that are having a hissy fit over it. Do you think I want dialogue? Think again lundude. I'm done trying to talk to freetards.

Also, if you haven't noticed, freetards are notoriously terrible at separating an argument from the person making it. So why the fuck would I give them any opportunity to dismiss me just because of who I am or what I do for a living.

It's nice that you have nice balls. I still think I make better points. Also, I do it without wasting 30 minutes of peoples time by making them watch your inability to deal with xrandr.

If you want to make some points, why don't you write them on your lame blog. Then, if I feel so inclined, I'll write some stuff on my lame blog. We will make it impossible for our readers to follow. Isn't that how you freetards do it?

If so - Mark, when are you stopping this "Ubuntu" nonsense? I'm sure you can do something more productive with all that time and money, like creating school administration tools, or adopting a child, or doing lots of coke and whores.

Linux - it's dead, Jim.Linux - install once, uninstall once.Linux - you will have to live forever.Linux - awful software for dirty people.Linux - better when you're high.Linux - the can't do attitude.Linux - game over man, game over.Linux - you meant it as a joke.

"Learning new OS" is almost a meaningless thing. Installing software, troubleshooting, superficial UI differences, are not really a "Learning" experience. There's no deep underlying principle. If you really want to learn about computers, grab a theory book.

The implementation is mutable, and in the end, unimportant.

You use Linux as a toy, which is all it can ever be (and quite a stupid, broken, boring and ultimately futile toy). As long as you don't try to deploy it in any real world scenario, or try to convert anyone, it's OK. Sad, but okay.

What the guy said about studying theory is absolutely true in everything. Even though it's nice to play with many different things, at some point the best time investment is to go at the root of things, not forever, but long enough that at the end one is able to separate the main concepts from the implementations.And this way is also time saving: from one concept you basically can know the root of tons of implementation. If you take the other way around, you need to try *many* implementations before understanding the main point.

Ok ... so, i guess what I'm hearing is that (most of) you guys don't have an issue with using Linux on the desktop ...but a "freetard" is one who constantly tells everyone else that desktop Linux is superior.

For what it's worth, I don't think that's the case .. but I do think Linux on the desktop has come a long way since I first messed with RedHat, back in 1999 or so.

For most users, though, I'd say Windows is still the better choice, or Mac OS X. Me, I like the idea of another choice, so it's fun to investigate.

Hate to break it to you, but it already has, like 10 or 15 years ago. It is only some very zealous math people who still use TeX for anything important, and only even more zealous Linux or BSD users that do so on open source operating systems. In the last 10 years, closed source software has leapfrogged open source in every conceivable way. Windows 7 and OS X make Linux look like the crap that it is. Office 2010 puts POWER into the hands of both everyday users and power users like nothing else in history.

Admit it folks, open source software has failed miserably. Closed source has demonstrated, once and for all, that there is no real benefit to opening up software.

@ Rockwell:I like the idea of another choice, so it's fun to investigate.Fine, me too (and many other here) like the idea of another choice, but still Linux is not at all a suitable option for my needs. And I tried a lot.

I tried so much that at some point (realizing that I had to compile alsa for idiot reasons) I stopped and googled "Linux sucks", really full of hate! Then I found a forum and from there this blog.

It has been an enlighting moment to discover that it wasn't my fault, that there are precise, detailed reasons for the suckness and that I wasn't alone.

If it works for you, I'm actually happy for you.

If it doesn't, well, it's quite possible that the reason is very well explained in one of the posts of this blog (that's why I like it).

LH you are a fag indeed, I don't hide myself and I face Winchot users every time, and here in Argentina that's all the time. You are not hiding because you are affraid of freetards, it's because you feel ashamed of the CRAP you say in your blog.

WHO THE FUCKS CARES IF HE HAS A PROBLEM WITH XRANDRI don't use Linxu because it works good with external prjectors, I use it because of Bash that just keeps making my life eassier every fucking second, I use it because it has a community of mostly inteligent people, because i can show a screenshot to my pals with one fucking command:

me: xwd | nc -l -p 27000 -q 1them: nc 190.51.xxx.xxx 27000 | xwud

Because I can read the code of every fucking app I want and learn for free, because I can compile my kernel to have a pic of your MOM during boot !

captcha: gtfo - go the fuck off, please take your shamefull ass out of internet, it was not meant for idiots.

Linux - Also lives in your mothers basementLinux - Cuz UR 2 |33t 4 stuff that worksLinux - So you can laugh at people who put a value on their spare timeLinux - Because Computers Should Never Be SimpleLinux - For Those Who Still Think That Being Fringe Is CoolLiunx - Because RMS Eats a Kitten Every Time You Buy Non FLOSS Linux - Bringing Cheap LULZ to People Who Have Been There AlreadyLinux - Where Users are LusersLinux - Where Users Are The ProblemLinux - Because a Buffet Always Beats Fine Dining Linux - Because Many Poor Choices Are Still Better Than 2 Good OnesLinux - It's Free, so STFULinux - We Know What You Want, And Give You What We WantLinux - For A Forking Good TimeLinux - Works On Clusters, Clusterfuck On DesktopsLinux - The Emperor Has No Clothes

I don't use Linxu because it works good with external prjectors, I use it because of Bash that just keeps making my life eassier every fucking second, I use it because it has a community of mostly inteligent people, because i can show a screenshot to my pals with one fucking commandShowing a screenshot with one command. Wow. That is up there with bragging about turning your linux desktop into a cube or a fish tank. As if using cntrl-alt-printscreen + paste into email take 5 hours.

What exactly do you use Bash for that makes your life easier? What couldn't be done with Cygwin?

Linux fish tank for those who haven't seen ithttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG1UY5hhExQ

Did you read at least one post of this blog? What the fuck are you trying to demonstrate? What do you want to say? Is this the freedom you are learning in FLOSS? Do you want attention? Do you understand that, if this fucking Linux stuff would work better it would be a great platform for many more people? Do you understand that it doesn't because of internal problems?Do you understand that not everybody is a programmer? And that among programmers not everybody is interested in FLOSS? And that among FOSS programmers not everybody is interested in RMS stuff? And that the same applies in general for life? And that that's exactly like in the nice fractal wallpapers that you make?

BTW, they are really cool. And you know, they are not good because of GIMP, they are cool because of the fact you did them and you did them well.BTW, You can do the same in every platform. But remember that many people CANNOT do what they want under Linux. But almost everybody can do what they want in Windows and partly under Mac. Why? Because Linux sucks in many things for many people.

Elder: Switch to linux and you'll never have to deal with windows problems again. You'll never have to deal with windows malware. All the cool smart kids are using it. It's really fast. I love it. You'll love it. You'll never have to buy windows again. Convert: It's free and really fast? Well ok I'll try it. Elder: Great welcome to the club. Convert: Thanks.

2 weeks later

Convert: Where can I buy Linux games?Elder: There are lots of free Linux games like Quake 3 and Tux Racer. Convert: Yea but not many new ones. Elder: That's because game companies don't want linux to be successful. Just buy a console. Convert: Like the xbox?Elder: ARGH! Haven't I taught you anything? That would just mean more money for Microsoft. Convert: The point of linux is to keep money from going to Microsoft?Elder: In some ways yes. So buy a PS3 or a Wii. Convert begins to lose faith.

1 month later

Convert: Hey I noticed that my scanner doesn't work with Linux. Elder: Just buy a new one. Convert: My cell phone doesn't work with Linux either. Elder: Just buy a new one. Oh and make sure you buy one that is on that list of cell phones that I sent you. Convert: You mean that list of 3 cell phones? Great. Oh and itunes doesn't work with Linux. Elder: ARGH. You sent money to Apple? Haven't I taught you anything? Convert: I got an ipod as a Christmas gift from my mom. Elder: Well your mom is retarded then. Sell it on ebay and buy a different one.

Convert loses even more faith.

3 months later.

Convert: I upgraded ubuntu and now I have no sound. Elder: Just buy a new sound card or wait a few months for another update to fix it. Convert: It's a laptop. Elder: Well wait a few months then.Convert: I have to wait for an update to fix an update?Elder: (loses control) FUCK. Did you know that my uncle had some software that didn't work in vista? So I guess windoze sometimes breaks software too. Convert: That was an OS change. I never had windows update take away my sound. Elder: Well Windoze is just as bad. I mean come one. Blue screen of death and everything. Yea. And Vista Sux. So there. Just wait a few months for the patch. Or buy a new laptop. Make sure you buy one that isn't from an evil manufacturer. Convert: Umm..sure...thanks for the advice....Linux sure is neat and stuff (reaches for restore cd).

Using Linux isn't some superior intellectual exercise. It's actually quite easy. The problem start when you have to troubleshoot Linux, or actually get work done. That's, as well, isn't Hard (with a capital H), it's simply tedious, or impossible.

Obscurity isn't cleverness.

Cumbersome isn't complex.

Knowing of tons of obscure, mostly useless details of operating a fringe operation system does not make you intelligent, it's just junk knowledge, since that knowledge changes on each release, and does not converge into a whole.

At most, mastering Linux makes you an IT helpdesk, or a wannabe sysAdmin.

Linux - running in circles is the way forward.Linux - facts are subjective.Linux - trivia is intelligence.Linux - Hitting your head against the wall is fun.Linux - futility is inevitable.

Linux Desktop seems to do strange things to external USB flash devices. I remember trying to copy MP4 videos from Ubuntu 8.10 to my PSP device, suddenly giving me errors about folder permissions WTF???? Fat32? I had to mess around and schmod 777 the folders and files on my USB flash drive to get it to work properly.

Anyways I'm done with Linux desktop. Some people say "it's come a long way", I say PooPoo. It only recently supported wireless cards with WPA, and works almost barely. And don't even talk to me about WPA SSID with spaces in them. Most distros BORK with those. And what does "come a long way" mean? Is there now a single stable desktop/sound/video/LSB standard? besides firefox, openoffice evolution, and gimp, what groundbreaking application was made? Where is DVD video and DVD menu creation program? Why is there no gnome equivalent of Krita? No better equivalent to Dia? (gnome draw doesn't count), BD support? Send to context menus?

I'm sorry but running windows apps in wine is not the solution I'm looking for. If that's the only case, why bother to switch?

Let us not forget the We've lost an Ubuntu convert to an iPod Touch thread on UbuntuForums, the bastion of brainwashed teen Lintards.Good lord that thread shows everything that is wrong with the linux cult. Instead of just putting the poor girl back on xp, they actually suggested:

1. Don't use the ipod, buy a different mp3 player.

2. Run itunes in a virtual machine. You don't need Windows. Wait I guess you do, but instead of simply inserting the restore cd you should setup a virtual machine.

3. Dual boot xp and ubuntu. Want to run itunes? Time to restart you computer! Yay Linux is fun.

I love how the community sees itself as "intelligent" when really its "arrogant".

Dial that arrogance to hubris and you get an inability to see the forest from the trees when discussing the future and potential new sources of computing systems. Their blind "Linux is superior in every way" and "everything Microsoft does is garbage" attitude has not only blinded them to deficiencies in their system and strengths in Microsoft's, it has also blinded them to the erosion of both marketshare and mindshare in traditional and emerging markets.

Sure, servers remain strong, but Linux is out of aging UNIX setups to displace. Even then Solaris and FreeBSD and seem to be gaining interest, especially with off-the-shelf projects such as pfSense, Monowall, and FreeNAS. Linux has no presence whatsoever in the small device markets held by the likes of iPhone, iPod, Windows Mobile, PSP, and Game Boy. The rapid fire failures of Linux in these ventures does not leave one optimistic to the future, either.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying DesktopIsDead(TM), but part of the competitive advantage of being the small guy is that you can maneuver faster than the big guys. When the big guys can come in and corner an emerging market faster than you can even recognize that it happened (e.g. netbooks), it means that there is no competitive advantage. Linux being unable to capture risky, unstable markets at the rate Microsoft, Apple, Sony, and Nintendo do means that Linux is slower and less efficient than the big boys that they openly mock.

Were Linux a traditional business, the recommendation would be "compete or die". Some vendors, like RedHat and Zimbra, seem to already see the writing on the wall. As others have stated, it's all over if interest drops among the aging corps of hardcore hackers drafted between the late 80s and late 90s, which encompasses the overwhelming bulk of effort. The RMSes, ESRs, Perenses, and Torvaldses that were so plentiful fifteen years ago have dried up. Linux is on borrowed time unless it markets itself in a way to capture the hearts of young visionaries.

The person wasn't a "convert", you just installed it on her computer and called it a day. Then when stuff she wants doesn't work, what's the first thing that happens? That's right, she wants what works back.

What you should have done was clean and recondition the copy of Windows like any non-fanboy would do.

This is more proof that Ubuntu (and Linux in general)is not ready for desktop use.

I say:

Make Windows her main desktop again, leave anti-virus off and teach her safe computing.Here's another funny freetard:Have had a similar issue here. My younger son used Kubuntu for six months until he went to 6th form college. He then decided he wanted XP back so he was "fully compatible" with the college. Couldn't argue there.

Then six weeks ago he finally got fed up with always having to check for viruses, mallware etc, and asked for Kubuntu to be put back on.

Then he went and got an iTouch!!!!I don't get fed up with always having to check for viruses malware, etc. I just don't run random programs on my computer. Strange concept!

For people who tend to get malware the easiest solution is to make them use vista in a limited account. There is also the question of what exactly are they doing that leads them to get malware when most computer novices I know are able to keep their computers clean. The only exception was a friend who didn't want to pay a measly $20 for GTAIII and downloaded a warez version. His computer was turned into a battleground for competing malware. Needless to say he learned his lesson.

I have heard it is common at places like geek squad for people to bring in computers filled with malware and blame it on the teenagers who were looking for porn. Always the teenagers of course.

But Linux as a solution to malware? Reminds me of people who propose the public bus as an alternative to the car. Sure it works for some individuals but will it meet the demands of a typical American family? Give me a break.

Being pushed by a Linux zealot into conversion away from Windows gives them the perfect excuse to blame you for anything that goes wrong. If they had a problem in Windows, it would be "Stupid computers." Once they have a problem in Linux, you can be sure it'll be "Stupid Linux. I want Windows back."

In order for people to successfully move away from Windows to Linux, they have to want to do so. I'm more than happy to help anyone I know who wants to make the switch... but given how many people I know who have to use iTunes for their iPod Touches or iPhones, I don't see that happening any time soon.Hardware and software? Computer being used for more than just the operating system? People actually using their computer for software to do stuff? Weird.

waitaminit ... i just did apt-get upgrade on my Ubuntu install that I've been kicking the tires on for a few months (like I said, I like checking stuff out) ... and now my wireless and VPN connections are gone.

Unfortunately things breaks when you upgrade in Linux, and especially in Ubuntu. SorryHey man, you have it all wrong. It's perfectly acceptable for minor revs to break drivers, software, etc. every 6 months.

What's unacceptable is when Micro$oft releases a new operating system once in 6 years and some stuff breaks!

Anyone else find it hypocritical that these guys espouse freedom, First Amendment, and all that, but when it comes to poking fun at the sheep in wolf's clothing that is Linux they're all, "What is your name?! Where do you live?! What is your job?! We demand this info, coward!"

It's so funny to read those threads on Ubuntuforums where a "Hi, I'm new to Ubuntu" post comes in begging for information on how to play DVDs or use WiFi or do video editing and no one gives the real answer: "go back to Windows".

I still think I make better points. Also, I do it without wasting 30 minutes of peoples time by making them watch your inability to deal with xrandr.”That is the part that pwnd him. And he couldn't say anything.

Here he was literally screaming for the happiness of getting some attention by the idiots of boycott novell. This crazy guy hoped that he made the video of the history, he failed and now he want some success.

He's a super-freetard, trying to change linux using freetardism, when linux is dying because of that.

OMG,an admirer of Lunduke started his blog to tell everybody why linux sucks.http://leifandersen.wordpress.com/2009/05/17/linux-sucks-part-1/

you know what it means, IMO? That in few months there will be a lot of "ILoveLinuxButItSucksALittle(TM) blogs, that then will be used to shut up even more real criticism by answering "You see, our good community is able to criticize, and we LOVE it". It will be cool to criticize Linux in this useless way.Of course things won't change. For sure.

But Linux as a solution to malware? Reminds me of people who propose the public bus as an alternative to the car. Sure it works for some individuals but will it meet the demands of a typical American family? Give me a break.Linux isn't the people who suggest the bus instead of a car. Linux is the guy in the corner who bikes to work. And not the friendly guy who does it for exercise, oh no. Linux is the flaming prick who walks around in the padded shorts and lectures people about big oil. And he never quite gets that you can't put $200 in groceries in the handlebar basket, and having to carry people around on the handlebars would get old.

"Windows Genuine Advantage - In case you forgot you don't own what you bought."

LOL It's more like - In case you forgot you don't own what you got off your neighbor/son/bit torrent.

Point conceded, though, WGA chafes a nerve, along with the even more paranoid anti-piracy stuff in Vista and beyond (yes my software is 100% legal).

The counter argument is that MS is entitled to receive their due from anyone using their software. This measure would not be necessary if there were fewer freeloaders - I remember people selling burnt CDs of Win98 and Office07 in the Buy&Sell way back (and I got my ads yanked when I tried selling Linux CDs to make a few lousy dollars).

No one has a perfect system. But, as is stated every now and then, this place is a haven for Desktop Linux "hate". There's plenty of crap about Microsoft flung around out there already for anyone to read. Some is true, and a great lot of it is tired old BS and FUD, which is exactly what this place gets accused of.

For myself, it's more for the laughs. No one on the net is going to change my views anyway. I've suffered system breakage with Linux (including today after updating a fresh server), so that's not BS, and I somehow manage to keep my home desktop running months without a reboot or GPF, years without a virus or reinstall, and never have had an update pooch something, except once on a grotty old win2k server, and recovery was an F8 - Use Last Known Good Configuration away

This blog rocks! I just spent 6 hours hacking together a working Suckbuntu 9.WTF. Ya see, I'm smart, I have two partitions, one has the broken new shit and one has stable 8.10. And to think I just turned my box with Nvida graphics card into a server and opted for Intel graphics just in time for Intel regression fail! After getting Pulse audio to work right, WTF, Audacity does not work.

Who ever wrote the following:

"Windows Genuine Advantage - In case you forgot you don't own what you bought."

LOL It's more like - In case you forgot you don't own what you got off your neighbor/son/bit torrent.

Linux - Because a Buffet Always Beats Fine Dining

Holy Crap thats funny!

LH, You rock! This is some of the funniest stuff I have read in a long time!

From Lunduke's reply:How about a debate on how the format of your blog is either helpful or harmful to the Linux (and software in general) world?I guess it helps, but only a little. No one can help Linux unless he has the power to do fundamental organizational changes to Linux development, something like major Linux vendors join force to develop for a single distro.

LOL O linux is showing it's age.Too little Too late, there are better alternatives out there in server/desktop, and now embedded.

I dare say if Apple was smart enough to license or coproduce it's iPod OS to GPS/embedded devices watch out! Ipod/OSX totally rocks! And I'm primarily windows user! Much respect to the programmers of Apple and Microsoft!

Linux OS is like a poor fake Apple Ipod touch clone. You know, the ones they sell for 70 bucks on the street corner?

linuxitouchclone=looks similar but shoddy made, poor interface and bad integration with components, can only do a few functions that are builtin (calulator/notepad), practically no third party games or apps. Don't mess or alter code or end up with breakage (just like desktop linux)

real ipod touch/phone=totally rocks, everything tightly integrated and makes sense, easy to control gui, wifi built-in, can download and run TONS of cool applications, games, productivity/special software. Worth every dollar as new software keeps popping daily and large catalog of cool software.

"Hey, Bill, are you the same guy as before posting about PJ? Just curious, haven't seen him around in a while."Are you talking to me?"I might be the only one here interested in the PJ crusade."Which crusade? The one against iPhone jailbraking?Groklaw's crusade on proprietary productsPJ isn't so bad after all as she prefers Mac OS X!I'm sure PJ and LH could become real good buddies.

But seriously, that video from lunduke`s made me puke, a bunch of stuck-up assholes pretending not to praise the allmighty linux.. If linux were a person his colon would be filled to the brim with those freetards` faces.

I`ve read all of your posts and I believe you have the right attitude towards the epic shitstain that is linux. I know you don`t care about me, but I hope you never stop posting on your blog; smart people such as yourself are hard to come by in this world largely divided into linux fanboys and ignorant twats.

Linux, FOSS and espcially FSF and GNU are circlejerks. This blog, at best, is a a circlepuke, where we non-freetards come to empty our guts after being nauseated by the tech press and freetardian blitzkrieg.

To the anonymous above:Recognizing Linux's faults and general suckiness does make you, or anyone else, more intelligent. Leave the presumptuousness, masturbatory self congratulation and general nastiness to the FOSS crowd.

Moblin seems really nice, but you see, it's not like Linux as a whole would suddenly become better thanks to this. Anyway that prove that the only viable way to make Linux work is the cathedral model, and being a company with a shitload of money to dump on this project helps too (because developers have to eat, you know). Also, seems like they are working on having standard ABI/API on this one, and that acually means two things: 1) applications designed for Moblin would work only on this, and 2) applications written for other Linux distros would never work if those use different/incompatible libraries (primarly I mean no Gnome/KDE apps, althoug some command-line programs could still work, but that really depends on the code).

Agreed.Moblin is getting a lot of positive attention lately.So does Android.What do we learn from this?Linux by itself is worthless. The only good thing that may come out of it is companies throwing money and manpower at it and shaping Linux to fit their needs.Google does so, too, with its "GoogleOS".For that, Linux is well-suited. It's a technology playground, useless buggy beta-crap on its own and you might find a few cool things here and there, but to make use of these things you need to create a real platform.Which is apparently the one major thing the FOSS crowd can't ever do - because the whole bazaar model fails in that regard.

"It appears that the current cause célèbre freetard, Lundumb, a.k.a. Brian Lunduke, came to the attention of the Linux Hater because Lundumb (badly) produced a video based on a presentation Lumbdumb titled, charmingly enough, "Linux Sucks!" As if far too many of us in the community don't know that already."Coward? You're calling Linux Hater a coward? Do you know who the real coward in the Linux community is? Her name is Pamela Jones. Yeah, that Pamela Jones, keeper of Groklaw."Link

And agreed also here. I mean, if someone puts money on Linux and makes something that works (and at least visually it seems that some professionalism was involved), well, there's nothing strange or miraculous. The only Linux merit is to give a 60% already-done job, open to other companies to build from. And that's fine.

Probably, that means that the possible merits of Moblin will be circumscribed to Moblin.

Uh, I'm curious to try it. I just watched the official video: no mention of Linux (good! They learnt the first lesson: don't scare the user), and a reasonable professional production (audio and video NOT made with OSS tools, I'm sure :P ).

Of course, the video doesn't answer to the first "next question" of the user: "Can I install other apps?". And I didn't say MS apps.

Ooops, sorry, dear communards, I forgot: before you go and copy some apps, please check ALL the Moblin's source code. You know, EU recently demonstrated that Intel is really $$$ addicted, so, before use their OS, I want to be sure that bugs and absence of suspicious software are checked by the common effort of the community.

And to the french polcie force that are migrating to Linux desktop, good luck on your next dist-upgrade or service pack rollout. Better not add anything not in repository and or upgrade or risk breakage hell.

So, went a little further checking moblin website (no download, it seems that there's a freetard over excited assault to moblin's pages.

from the website:

This section introduces you to some of Moblins key applications; the Moblin Web Browser, and Moblin Media player.So, it's a browser and a media player (I'm not really impressed by the word "some" in "...some of Moblins key apps").

Ahhh, finally I can recognize my old, dear Linux in all its awesomness. It's the peak of the YouDontNeedThat(tm) culture.

Now, I don't want to sound pessimistic, but either they will inform *very* well the possible future customers about the real limitations of the system, or, once again, it will be an epic fail, slightly reduced by the fact that it doesn't look like shit (as the xandros os looked imo). Let's see...

Ahah, great article!It seems that in Dell they are reading LH blog or that they would really agree with it! They also say that they don't care about what freetards think/want.

A mainstream user does not care if it's [Ubuntu Linux] 8.04 or 8.10 or 9.04 (he/she does not know what those are) -- she just wants it to work right and be stable/safe...Most of the Linux enthusiasts would not like to be so far behind (i.e., 8.04 vs. 9.04), but they are not our primary target audience for the [operating system] imageLinux enthusiasts (freetards) pwnd.

I am using linux for 7 years, not on programmers/developers level, mostly on end user usages. I'd used distro like red hat, fedora, gentoo, ubuntu (oh btw, ubuntu literally meant u as you, buntu as dead end in our language, lol) , centos and recently opensuse. For most part, I use them for server purposes, like web hosting, web apps development, bind/named, samba and etc.

For desktop experience.. those distro failed to impress me. I would rather using Windows or Mac OS X for delivering end product to my customer. Rather trying to figure out/solving problems by hardware/software in Linux for hours, which is always has been the problems with Linux distro for end user like me. It is much faster for me to author using proven software than get thick off and wasted time to deliver products in time.

For some users who has experienced in Linux may say, go to the forum to get help, use command line/syntax rather using the GUI?.. ugh I didn't know GUI is obsolete nowadays?, most beginners will turn their face away after getting difficulty in learning command line, post bugs, wait for the new fixes, the attitude of get it work on your own (hey it's free so no more question ask). But for normal people/user like us who need to feed families, we couldn't wait no more, we could pay some geeks, engineers or programmers to do it if they could do it much faster.

I could use various apps on windows/mac platform to get things done much, and get paid and continue living. It's not that we don't like linux and oss, we like them. But for less experience end user (which is populating around the globe), linux distro offer less experience which is killing linux in the end.

Unless there are no changes or revolution inside Linux community, graphic libraries, programming/developer tools, standardize tools/libraries, and issues, expect Linux no less for desktop, it is dying.

Welcome, and I agree with you in every detail (being myself mainly an end user, though in the audio field).

I really liked this part so I'll quote it.I could use various apps on windows/mac platform to get things done much, and get paid and continue living. It's not that we don't like linux and oss, we like them.I'd like to read stuff like that more often especially on linux-related websites.

I read that some were calling Ubuntu 9.04 "as slick as windows 7 or Mac OS X"; such an opinion was written on a "respectable blog", in this case Cnet.http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302104,00.htm

WTF? In just one hour this afternoon I have seen a huge amount of "Epic fails" when running Ubuntu 9.04, such as the inability to access my windows share, window content redrawing failure under X and Firefox running like crap. Aren't there some serious bloggers out there to point out how deluded these freetards are? I mean, there is only this blog which is quite well known and that's it? There's not a "well known" and "respected" blogger on Cnet to give the freetards a good reality check?

By the way, why did this Lunduke dude fail to report the ballant stupidity of such articles?

we could pay some geeks, engineers or programmers...I actually did it once. I asked the programmer of Lilypond for a feature. Luckily this really particular feature was already available through some scheme programming, so he gave me the hack, he documented it, and he told me the price for the time he spent: 25€ (15 minutes of work). He already tried to setup a pay-per-feature system, so his requests were public to the users.

I was lucky: for other features the price was of hundreds to thousands euro, and the feature I'm talking about is absolutely impossible to realize on the commercial available solutions.

But everybody can understand that this is not a suitable system, even sharing the money with other users, in particular if it's about a small, specific field (how many contemporary composers out there? :-)

What I should have done? Learn C++ and Scheme to make music and be free ? I actually learnt and still do some Lisp and and a lot of graphical programming as pure data and max.

But there's a real line between the programming skills that a composer (without a prior and proper programming education) can learn for his needs (advanced as they can be), and the programming required to make or modify a complex application. Programming is a wonderful art, but as all professions, it needs a lot of time, dedication and talent.

A 16 years old h4x0r maybe doesn't understand it, but freetardlandia is not only populated by kids, sadly.

I probably should point out a few issues regarding my relationship with Microsoft:

1. I don’t like them. I don’t like their attitude, and I don’t like their products in general.

2. The last time I willingly used a Microsoft software product, was in 1990: I unfortunately used Microsoft Word to write my dissertation. (Ocasionally I have to use MS WIndows since the classrooms I teach in have instructor computers running MS Windows, but I don’t consider that “willingly”.)

3. Since 1993, the department I worked in has moved from NextStep, to Openstep toGNU/ Linux. (We did inherit an MS WIndows lab for a while from another department but have changed it to GNU/Linux since then.)

4. If I am bias (and I probably am) then I am bias against Microsoft.

None of this of course means that I like unfounded accusations or one-sided statements. Free software can and will stand on its own. We do not need to stoop to inappropriate behaviour.

"You don't have the courage of your convictions to come out in public and support your views."

Perhaps you should read his post, like the "Do you really think I want freetards hassling me in my real life?" part. It's perfectly understandable to anyone with an IQ over 50.

"CHICKEN, you are CHICKEN PS I used my real name to flame"

An absolute nobody, that no one's ever heard of uses his real name to call some anonymous guy "chicken" on the web. Wow, I gotta give it to you, you really got some balls! It must've taken a lot of courage for sure.

Your all anonymous cowards? First off, no on owns all the anonymous cowards here, and second, the correct statement should be All of your anonymous cowards... followed by a description of what the anonymous cowards are doing or being.

Unless you mean "You're all a bunch of anonymous cowards". You're is the proper contraction of the words you are and denotes the state of being of a group. As for putting a real name up, anyone can create a name online and claim it is their real name, since they're not going to have to show paperwork to prove it.

P.s. Freetards/Lintards: please note the distinction between your and you're. It is also important to know the differences between they're, their, and there; please define and discuss they're, their, and there. Extra points will be awarded.

Basically LH insults Lunduke because Lunduke's criticism of Linux is too gentle, and misses crucial points like "G-P-fucking-L". This reminds me of the RMS/Torvalds debate over whether FOSS is about ideology or about better quality software. From what we've seen in the past, I feel the linux hater community is in the danger of fragmentation. Since LH is more extreme, he's the RMS equivalent, and he showed similar traits by aggressively claiming credits (you just took my posts and made them and to slides) reminiscent of the GNU/Linux naming claim.

Darrin Ritter, from Australia, who filed 3 bugs for Ubuntu feels like he can lecture people who have done more and for longer time with and toward Linux.

Darrin Ritter, you are nothing but a fool, first because you fail to provide facts to support your assertions, and resort to ad-hominem attacks.Second - because you have absolutely no right to uncover the identities of those who does not wish to do so.

Darrin Ritter, you are mindless idiot, a useless old fart with no purpose in life other to fuck itself up his ass with a chainsaw.

Now please, either provide facts and engage in meaningful conversation, or I shall taunt you a second time; failing to do either - maybe because you're just too stupid - you may proceed and cut your veins. No one will care.

Wait are you the Daren Ritter that cant get the touch pad working on your dumpy dildo edition of unbuntu, when it worked on the prior vulgar vagina edition? Then you also comment on your twitter +/- a few days that said dumpy dildo distro appears stable?

So wait... That makes you a liar AND a retard.

So you basciaclly agree with every hater here, only you are too dishonest to admit it, and too stupid to realize that when something (fundamental none the less) worked before, and does not work now, that precludes the possibility that it is "stable".

All you need to do now is make some stupid ass comment about "ethics" and Microsoft and the fosstard label applies to you!

"So here's my challenge to the Lundumb. You get PJ to come out in the open, and the very next day Linux Hater will follow suit. But until such time as that happens, Lundumb should just keep his opinions about cowardice under his hat."

D'oh!

I knew you were an idiot, but it never occured to me that you were a Bill Beebe caliber idiot!!!

Lets see, denial about current status, and how it got there, and what needs to happen to get out of this situation. Uncertain if that is even possible. While detached from the common public (the great unwashed center as opposed to the activists)feel about their brand. No real clue as to how to contue, or how to reverse the current slide. Increasingly refered to as a pariah by the center.

Luminaries and activists saying things that are harful to the brand, on an almost daily basis.

People joke about its status and increasingly refer to it as a dead end.

Even the most ardent activist, not to mention horeds of former memeber of this group lament its current state. Don't think there is any way to fix.

The activists say things that are utterly delusional with regards to current status, and future direction.

Heh, the fosstards keeps calling us names.It seems you have forfeited all attempts at coherence, and resorted to name calling.

Does your precious little Ubuntu works with either nVidia, Intel or AMD video cards yet? Is the sound layer fixed? the backward and forward compatibility? Printing? Wi-fi? Can you do anything useful with your software except masturbation and beta testing?

Oh, that's right, you cannot, and won't be able to in the near to medium to far future. Why? because your development model is a failure.

No go back to your mother's basements and ask her for some comfort sex, you pimply overweight, socially inept, reason impaired sons of whores.

And no, English is not my native language, so go fuck yourselves in advance. With a chainsaw, up your ass.

Anonimity has been used for centuries in satirical writing.Now, without comparing the two (even if LH writing skills are amazing), do you know that many Rabelais writings were anonymous? For those that don't know, they are the biggest attack to religious obscurantism ever made in the history (by a religious person, BTW). The author, besides being one of the biggest figure in French literature, was a key element(and with his real face) within the rennaissance humanism movement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Rabelais

I've seen more republican (hysterical refuse of reasonable discussion, religious views, personal attacks, desire of conquering the world, if you mean that) attitude in FLOSS circles than everywhere else. I don't like MS monopoly at all, but FLOSS attitude sucks and it's worst, in the sense that at least MS is a company, so they have to follow the money. FLOSS agressivity is free. As in fascism.

@May 21, 2009 5:59 AMEnglish is not my native language, so no problem in admitting that. Could you now please move your attack to the points I made?

Well, my pointy headed little HaterTard, perhaps it would help if illiterate mouth breathers like you No, sorry, you attacked the english of MY post (the one with the list of sillogisms x --> y etc), and now you show me a bad english found in another post.

Should I point you to the thousands examples of "I don't read/I dont understand well, but I attack" found on this blog, posted by freetards?

You are not stupid, this is clear, but stay on the topic, please. Anyway, three answers, and you didn't provide yet any fact.

You think that if I discuss about anonimity, danger of too easy sillogisms in floss culture, I'm the same person that writes "Is the chainsaw running? Your anus is waiting." ?Look: me, you, the anus guy we are all "anonymous said..." people, but first, you mixed two different posts, insulting english skills. Me, I can recognize your writing even if we are all anonymous.

After three answers to you, I got an idea about your mentality, I didn't have any prejudice. You are exactly demonstrating the hystery of too many freetards. Anyway, if you want to discuss here, you are welcome.

It's seems you still don't understand why you're a freetard.I'll explain myself more slowly, in a faint hope that you will understand. If you don't, well, more lulz for me.

I did not ask for proofs for my deviance, anally or otherwise. That should have been obvious, and if you've failed at that, you do deserve a flaming chainsaw up your anus.

It's seems that you somehow try to defend Linux, FOSS and/ or Lunduke.Your defense is obviously lacking, since it is centered around name-calling and other useless rhetorical devices.

As you can see, we're all pretty much capable of name calling ourselves, and since you weren't able to conjure a defense that consists of anything else, you've earned all the scorn you deserved.

You probably couldn't understand it either, so I'll try to explain in a way you'll understand:

You've been POWNED. I no longer have any hope for you, and you should delude yourself that there is any.Death will be a release for you.Please try to do it in a funny way, say, a flaming chainsaw and your anus combined, so at least you'll serve some purpose.

"The advantages of using a Linux system include advanced power management, optimized boot and shutdown times, as well as more WiFi and 3G support such as software development kits (SDK) from telecommunication providers, Lim said."

from http://jakedth.tumblr.com/post/110392665/linux-hater-bryan-lunduke-and-freedom

Distributions use gStreamer and/or PulseAudio, etc.. DEB or RPM, etc.. GNOME, Xfce and/or KDE. Because the developers see such software as being superior.Cute! I thought that distros were using this stuff because it was the only one available...

I told you, they'll start now the new trend, criticizing Linux in a useless way to try to get back some respect lost because of the bullshits they said (and say) for years.

Which brings to a couple of new lines:

linux hater --> troll

criticizing linux technically, socially, with facts --> troll

saying not so focused things against linux, repeating the obvious but writing gnu somewhere and putting in the first line "Linux is the best, but..." --> cool

BTW, the "russian list" didn't get any attention from lunduke and co. Sure it starts with "I love Linux", but is detailed and serious. Head in the sand, again?

"I did not ask for proofs for my deviance, anally or otherwise. That should have been obvious"

Okay, your deviance and anal fixation is obvious. I concur.

"you do deserve a flaming chainsaw up your anus."

Okay, I get it - you constantly obsess about anal chainsaw rape.

"It's seems that you somehow try to defend Linux, FOSS and/ or Lunduke."

Really? Provide the quotes that lead you to say that. What? You can't find any? Listen moron: I don't need to "defend" anything. Linux doesn't require me to "defend" it, especially from the likes of you. Nor does "FOSS" or Lunduke, who has done a great job of revealing your hero Linux Hater as a spineless, cowardly thumb sucker!

"Your defense is obviously lacking, since it is centered around name-calling and other useless blah blah blah etc"

Again: what "defense" are you yammering about? What? You're talking out of your ass? I guess for an anally fixated deviant such as yourself that should come as no surprise! As for "name calling", isn't that Linux Hater's thing? Sure, he borrowed his schtick from smarter people, but he's better at it than his witless minions are!

"As you can see, we're all pretty much capable of name calling ourselves"

Well, if you think that repeating the names your retard hero uses on his blog makes you "capable", then who am I to burst your bubble?

"and since you weren't able to conjure a defense that consists of anything else, you've earned all the scorn you deserved."

Again: where is this "defense" you keep whining about?

Also "you've earned all the scorn you deserved"? Is that supposed to make sense? And what "scorn"? Your inadvertently hilarious gibbering? A couple of hypocritical HaterTards calling me feeble names someone else made up for them between carrying on about anal chainsaw rape? Some witless kid who I have driven into a frothing frenzy telling me that I have been "pwned"?

I guess it's true: the HaterTards have evolved into some sort of mutant SuperTard!

Who needs to "defend" anything from the likes of you? I'd rather have a few belly laughs at your expense, like I have already had here today.

God, he can't even get out of the second paragraph without throwing up distraction tactics like "Linux" vs. "GNU/Linux". And then he launches into a strawman with the claim that "insane" Linux Hater will only use commercial software and believes any usage of GNU/Linux is "wrong". While Linux Hater may believe that, nothing in his posts indicate such. Furthermore, us truly sane people don't box ourselves in the corner with arbitrary absolutes like, "I resolve to use only GNU and everything else is terrorist anti-freedom".

Then he goes back to semantics and the predictable "I think AppX is better than AppY" choice/freedom merry-go-round we've all suffered for 20 years. WantToBelieve(TM) indeed.

I agree. GNU/Linux is completely indefensible. As it its development model, many of its developers, its failure to deliver anything other than an anti-corporate philosophy, and all of its activists who are too lazy to get out of their chairs and find a REAL cause to believe in.

Only a fool would try to defend that mess, and clearly you are no fool.

A yammering baboon with all the wit of a dribbling 8 year old with FAS, yes, but no fool.

I can speak for myself: I used Linux and I felt in love for the idea of an alternative. I even liked the FSF culture, at the beginning. After 7 years trying to use linux for my job, spending countless hours learning how to fix broken things, filing bugs, joining mailing lists, I literally needed for someone, much more expert than me, who was saying aloud what's wrong with Linux.

Then I found this blog.At first I felt that only few of his rants were right, even if all were really funny to read. I wanted to defend Linux, even when it was impossible.Later, reading more carefully and questioning myself, I went to the conclusion that LH is really right, unfortunately. But you know, it was also the fact that this blog was partly positively reviewed by Linux-foss big names, that convinced me even more.

Linux needs more true haters, not "MStards", if they exist (I believe there are really few people around that hate Linux only because they think Ballmer is a genius).

If you don't trust me, maybe you'll trust *your* ESR, which, btw, is far from admit the slightest mistake in his bazaar concept.

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=628

In this blog, thanks to the commenters, I actually learnt the strenght and the weakness of all OSs, or at least I got a different point of view, compared to the mainstream IT journalism. Yes, nowadays is Linux that suffers from the lack of objective criticism from the press.

I'd like to see Linux supporters arguing on the technical side against LH's arguments. Claiming superiority is not defending Linux. Saying "linux needs no defense" is not an argument. BTW, unless one is 12, admitting the mistakes is a proof of strenght. Changing broken things in practice and reality, is a proof of wisdom and care. The lack of all that can be easily called, in a synthetic and funny way, "freetardism". One can hate Linux in words (but providing facts!), other people are simply harmful to Linux, lost in their egos, lack of a common target, fanatism and no interest for the average user.

So far they were really few freetards that discussed things in detail (Oiaohm, compared to Lunduke and others, you deserve a lot of respect on that).

I'm in it for the lulz.The vast majority of fosstards are extremely easy target, since they zealously believe something that can hardly be defended. That's part of the reason they revert ad-hominem so early into the argument.

Holy God, that Lludkrab guy's blogpost. Hilarity top to bottom, starting with calling out LH for hating on Linux and not GNU/Linux, proceding to not address or even quote a single statement of LH's, and finishing up with a multi-paragraph restatement of the GNU manifesto. It turns out that using computers isn't about doing things with computers, or using computers to make your life better, it's about "freedom". So what if you can't print, at least you're not using The Man's print driver, and that's what really counts! The only thing missing is a supercomputer reference.

He's also the kind of desperate-for-attention type who responds to every other poster in his comment section. And he sure does love his "clever" "scare" "quotes"!

"I agree. GNU/Linux is completely indefensible. As it its development model, many of its developers, its failure to deliver anything other than an anti-corporate philosophy, and all of its activists who are too lazy to get out of their chairs and find a REAL cause to believe in."

Golly, you sound absolutely *vehement* about "GNU/Linux"! And here I thought that the whole point of this blog was ostensibly to point out flaws in Linux for the love of it, and to poke zealots in the eye. Yet you are clearly a zealot who despises not only "GNU/Linux" but "its development model" and "many of its developers"! In fact, so addled are you by your festering, zealous hatred that you are induced to say flagrantly idiotic things like "its failure to deliver anything other than an anti-corporate philosophy"! Hello? What do you think this blog is being served on, brainiac? IIS?! How about the Mars rover? What OS do you think runs it? Vista? How about the most powerful computers on the planet? What OS are they running? XP Home Basic? Who is Red Hat's biggest customer? Hint: it starts with "US" and ends with "Army". How do you reconcile the increasing ubiquity of Linux with such retarded statements as "failure to deliver anything other than an anti-corporate philosophy"?Clearly, you are having a problem coming to grips with reality.

I'll say it again: I knew that Linux Hater is an idiot*, but his fawning, uncomprehending minions are clearly a whole new breed of SuperTard!

"As a result, we increasingly came to favor the faster, better, cheaper solution that was Linux. We eventually purchased two high-end SGIs to add to our Linux boxes during flight operations, but it is unclear whether we will end up using them; the Linux boxes now give us equal, if not better, performance. As a result, the MER rovers are being commanded by multiple teams working in parallel on the dozens of Linux systems we've purchased for the mission.The RSVP System

Our software, a suite of applications called the Rover Sequencing and Visualization Program (RSVP), was developed, tested and deployed on Linux. RSVP gives MER's engineers and scientists sophisticated tools for commanding Mars rovers."

I mention the supercomputer argument, and in the very next post, some Lintard starts ranting about how supercomputers run Linux and not Vista Home. Amazing. You're as predictable and constant as the sun rising in the east. Don't ever change, Lintards.

Oh my God, multi-billion dollar corporation creates an in-house ultra-specific use for Linux which clearly translates to a win on the desktop.ditto.

To the other guy, you are only few days late for the GoogleIsLinux(tm) and related.

It was discussed for few days in the second page of comments here (comments from 201 to 400):

http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/2009/05/poser-hater.html

And from LH perspective, read here:http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/2008/05/linux-sucks.html(BTW, happy birthday (even if late) to the Linux Hater's blog and readers-commenters!)

Bring some new argument to the subject. Anyway you are probably new (if you didn't read the previous LH post and comments), welcome, and, as you see, bringing a reference to arguments is considered here. Exactly as in real world.

If I said you were off base on your knee-jerk assessment, would you even bother to read it, or would you rather continue to flog the tired old party line of Clusters and LAMP?

I guess my comment, which consisted of nothing more than several of the core themes of What Is Wrong With Linux, touched a nerve or three, didn't it?

That's okay, son. Someday you'll realize when you're being baited.

About the same time your testies drop and you start to think that girls are more fun than getting excited over an OS that is doomed to be an also-ran on the desktop. No matter how many clusters it runs, it's still a clusterfuck on the desktop.