Got some dirt on the US government that needs exposed. This NSA Internet and wire tapping ****, ain't nothing compared to their Remote Neural Monitoring program. Every square inch of America, every home, every person, is being monitored by a computer system that tracks their thoughts and brainwaves. The US government has in their possession a weapon that can see and hear through all walls, extract and monitor all images, sound, feeling, thought, memory, dreams, and other data inside the human brain storage device. The brain is a beautiful intelligence storing machine, and it's basically a magnetic storage device that usually never forgets and keeps all the information the government could ever want to know about you or anyone else. Why mess around with Internet traffic monitoring and phone records when they don't need to? They can just go straight to the source. From what I can tell, this system is used in secret, and they only act when they have physically gathered evidence through other systems such as Internet or phone system monitoring. Most of what I've witnessed this network get used for is secret torture, spying, and harassment of citizens, and it hasn't been used for anything security related. In fact, I happen to believe that this is the governments modern implementation of MKULTRA, and this is a system of mind control the government has deployed to keep control of us. I was personally set up and targeted by the CIA with it in 2008, and since I've been a target for torture, simulated psychosis, and other government and state wide abuse. I've heard from many others that this has happened to them as well, and I believe all the things that people were complaining about in the Washington Post article titled Mind Games are true. Got some links to share and this article. As a victim who's being controlled right now, I've put some details on my website about this in hopes of getting assistance. I have a donation drive seeking $1,000,000 for medical and legal expenses, for example, and my goal is to expose and stop the use of this illegal mind control and brainwave monitoring system. Links:

http://www.oregonstatehospital.net/ is my website, with details of my torture. It is currently being updated, lots of infos to disclose that I haven't had the chance to yet, thanks to illegal imprisonment.
-removed-http://www.facebook....tatehospitalnet is the URL of my Facebook Page, where we can discuss, and share information on this. Plus you can like it and share your support. I have a post there that you can use to copy/paste to your wall to help spread the message about my fundraiser and legal case.

Let me tell you a few of my unpublished ideas about how remote neural monitoring work. There are two methods for reading brainwaves, one is simply to use a telescope or antenna array similar to that as found in a WiFi router, only with many thousands of times more antennae. This system is similar to the electrodes used in EEG systems for reading brain waves in brain computer interfaces, only with higher resolution, it can read and separate signals from individual neurons more easily. When a computer detects and records these signals, it can then decode and separate the signals to create a stream of computer data, including what information is stored in and being processed in the brain or brains of people being monitored. It is not limited to brain activity, but any neuron in any part of your body. They can detect when, for what reason, precisely what signal is sent and from where in your brain, including sensations like pain, pleasure, tickling, itch, and also what the brain is processing, what nerves are activated in different parts of your eye and how they are activated, what you see in your eyes, and also what you see in your brain. They can also do the same for your ears, hearing and seeing what you hear, and also what you heard in the past. The brain is what records and keeps track of information long term, so of course your entire past experience, sensations, memory and feelings are recorded. Impulses related to muscle and organ control are also monitorable and recordable. When you think, and say something, they can monitor it all, even if you don't say it outside your mind. They can also fully read all subconscious signals, memory and neurons that are activated just by association with a specific memory or task. They don't monitor what you say, but why you say it, what impulses and memory go into your thought, to create your current mental state and direction in the world. You cannot fool the computer system, because it knows exactly what you are trying to do, why, and how. Past and future intentions are fully monitored, it just knows why you're in the state you're in. Okay, so they can see all those good feelings you have while you're being deceitful, or engaging in pleasurable sex. They monitor your girlfriend while shes thinking about how much she loves to get dominated, or to screw around behind your back. They really love monitoring your dirty side with this, and they have an entire data base full of every human emotion and situation imagineable, they have fully decoded human behavior and emotions, and understand us better than anyone else. The computer is driven by advanced artificial intelligence, which mimics and emulates most human behaviors in software, it adapts to you and your environment. It's controlled by brainwaves, operators can also use it to think about the information they want to retrieve, and they merely have to think to get the machine to do exactly as they intend or want. The machine can be used to simulate psychosis, and pry into a persons mind, torture, and do other things. It can simulate dreams, and do things to your body. This actually brings me to the remote nerve stimulation part of this, microwaves act as remote probes of your nerves, thousands of focused microwaves can be directly into your brain or body to create precise electromagnetic fields; these fields override your brain and bodies own energies, allowing them to beam audio, video, feeling, motor control, dreams, and other information into your brain. They can cause your nerves to respond or sense a particular feeling, and they can also do things to your body or environment directly; heat, cold, photons create pressure in your body, move tissue around, or expand, push, pull atoms and tissue around. Microwaves and sound energy can also create sound in the middle of no where, by manipulating particle and air movement, and recreation and recording of precise air and particle movement patterns is possible with remote fMRI. When the electromagnetic energy is powerful enough, visible light can even be produced in the middle of no where. Terahertz and microwaves are the two primary forms of radiation used for remote nerve, whole structure temporal fMRI, and manipulation of particles. This is the ultimate bully tool, used to rape, experiment on, and torture people world wide. And I'm not the first or only victim... please help.

Is the NSA Conducting Electronic Warfare On Americans?

Jonas Holmes May 19, 2006 CHRONICLE ARTICLE

Russ Tice, former NSA intelligence officer and current Whistleblower, was to testify before the Senate Armed Services Committee this week. Apparently the testimony, Mr. Tice wanted to give, makes General Hayden’s phone surveillance program look like very small potatoes. Mr. Tice’s testimony is expected to reveal further illegal activity overseen by General Michael Hayden which even loyal and patriotic NSA employees view as unlawful. I think the people I talk to next week are going to be shocked when I tell them what I have to tell them. IT’S PRETTY HARD TO BELIEVE, Tice said. I hope that they’ll clean up the abuses and have some oversight into these programs, which doesn’t exist right now. According to Mr. Tice, what has been disclosed so far is only the tip of the iceberg. What in the world could Russ Tice be talking about! To figure it out let us take a look at Russ Tice’s work at the NSA.

According to the Washington Times and numerous other sources, Mr. Tice worked on special access programs related to electronic intelligence gathering while working for the NSA and DIA, where he took part in space systems communications, non-communications signals, electronic warfare, satellite control, telemetry, sensors, and special capability systems. Special Access Programs or SAPs refer to Black Budgets or Black Operations. Black means that they are covert and hidden from everyone except the participants. Feasibly there would be no arena with a greater potential for abuse and misuse than Special Access Programs. Even now Congress and the Justice Department are being denied the ability to investigate these programs because they don’t have clearance. To put it in CNN’s Jack Cafferty’s words a top secret government agency, the NSA, the largest of its kind in the world, is denying oversight or investigation by the American people because investigators lack clearance. To add a layer of irony to the Black Ops cake this travesty is occurring in America, the supposed bastion of Freedom and Democracy, which we are currently trying to export to Iraq.

It just gets scarier. The Black Ops that Mr. Tice was involved in related to electronic intelligence gathering via space systems communications, non-communications signals, electronic warfare, satellite control, telemetry, sensors, and special capability systems. For greater insight as to the impact of these programs readers should review decades old FOIA authenticated programs such as MKULTRA, BLUEBIRD, COINTELPRO and ARTICHOKE. Radar based Telemetry involves the ability to see through walls without thermal imaging. Electronic Warfare is even scarier if we take a look at the science. NSA Signals Intelligence Use of EMF Brain Stimulation. NSA Signals Intelligence uses EMF Brain Stimulation for Remote Neural Monitoring (RNM) and Electronic Brain Link (EBL). EMF Brain Stimulation has been in development since the MKUltra program of the early 1950's, which included neurological research into "radiation" (non-ionizing EMF) and bioelectric research and development. The resulting secret technology is categorized at the National Security Archives as "Radiation Intelligence," defined as "information from unintentionally emanated electromagnetic waves in the environment, not including radioactivity or nuclear detonation." Signals Intelligence implemented and kept this technology secret in the same manner as other electronic warfare programs of the U.S. government. The NSA monitors available information about this technology and withholds scientific research from the public. There are also international intelligence agency agreements to keep this technology secret.

The NSA has proprietary electronic equipment that analyzes electrical activity in humans from a distance. NSA computer-generated brain mapping can continuously monitor all the electrical activity in the brain continuously. The NSA records and decodes individual brain maps (of hundreds of thousands of persons) for national security purposes. EMF Brain Stimulation is also secretly used by the military for Brain-to-computer link. (In military fighter aircraft, for example.) For electronic surveillance purposes electrical activity in the speech center of the brain can be translated into the subject's verbal thoughts. RNM can send encoded signals to the brain's auditory cortex thus allowing audio communication direct to the brain (bypassing the ears). NSA operatives can use this to covertly debilitate subjects by simulating auditory hallucinations characteristic of paranoid schizophrenia. Without any contact with the subject, Remote Neural Monitoring can map out electrical activity from the visual cortex of a subject's brain and show images from the subject's brain on a video monitor. NSA operatives see what the surveillance subject's eyes are seeing. Visual memory can also be seen. RNM can send images direct to the visual cortex. bypassing the eyes and optic nerves. NSA operatives can use this to surreptitiously put images in a surveillance subject's brain while they are in R.E.M. sleep for brain-programming purposes. Individual citizens occasionally targeted for surveillance by independently operating NSA personnel

NSA personnel can control the lives of hundreds of thousands of individuals in the U.S. by using the NSA's domestic intelligence network and cover businesses. The operations independently run by them can sometimes go beyond the bounds of law. Long-term control and SABOTAGE OF TENS OF THOUSANDS OF UNWITTING CITIZENS by NSA operatives is likely to happen. NSA Domint has the ability to covertly assassinate U.S. citizens or run covert psychological control operations to cause subjects to be diagnosed with ill mental health. National Security Agency Signals Intelligence Electronic Brain Link Technology NSA SigInt can remotely detect, identify and monitor a person's bioelectric fields. The NSA's Signals Intelligence has the proprietary ability to remotely and non-invasively monitor information in the human brain by digitally decoding the evoked potentials in the 30-50 hz,.5 milliwatt electro-magnetic emissions from the brain. Neuronal activity in the brain creates a shifting electrical pattern that has a shifting magnetic flux. This magnetic flux puts out a constant 30-50 hz, .5 milliwatt electromagnetic (EMF) wave. Contained in the electromagnetic emission from the brain are spikes and patterns called "evoked potentials." Every thought, reaction, motor command, auditory event, and visual image in the brain has a corresponding "evoked potential" or set of "evoked potentials." The EMF emission from the brain can be decoded into the current thoughts, images and sounds in the subject's brain. NSA SigInt uses EMF-transmitted Brain Stimulation as a communications system to transmit information (as well as nervous system messages) to intelligence agents and also to transmit to the brains of covert operations subjects (on a non-perceptible level). EMF Brain Stimulation works by sending a complexly coded and pulsed electromagnetic signal to trigger evoked potentials (events) in the brain, thereby forming sound and visual images in the brain's neural circuits. EMF Brain Stimulation can also change a person's brain-states and affect motor control. Two-way Electronic Brain-Link is done by remotely monitoring neural audio-visual information while transmitting sound to the auditory cortex (bypassing the ears) and transmitting faint images to the visual cortex (bypassing the optic nerves and eyes, the images appear as floating 2-D screens in the brain). Two-Way Electronic Brain Link has become the ultimate communications system for CIA/NSA personnel. Remote Neural Monitoring (RNM, remotely monitoring bioelectric information in the human brain) has become the ultimate surveillance system. It is used by a limited number of agents in the U.S. Intelligence Community. RNM requires decoding the resonance frequency of each specific brain area. That frequency is then modulated in order to impose information in that specific brain area. The frequency to which the various brain areas respond varies from 3 Hz to 50 Hz. Only NSA Signals Intelligence modulates signals in this frequency band.

This modulated information can be put into the brain at varying intensities from subliminal to perceptible. Each person's brain has a unique set of bioelectric resonance/entrainment frequencies. Sending audio information to a person's brain at the frequency of another person's auditory cortex would result in that audio information not being perceived. Additionally, A 1994 congressional hearing reported that nearly half a million Americans were subjected to some kind of cold war era tests, often without being informed and without their consent. In addition, experimentation law is well grounded in constitutional and international law. It is an under-reported fact that two major reports on human rights and torture in the U.S. recently listed illegal radiation experiments. Many more facts are documented below. Therefore, human research subject protections should be a high priority and are just as significant as current issues of torture and illegal wiretapping. IT IS TIME FOR AMERICA TO WAKE UP. It is time for America to protect its Whistleblowers who are our last line of defense against dictatorship and despotism. It is time for America to take responsibility for oversight of its tax dollars and elect leaders who will assume such responsibility now. Yes, the war on terrorism is important. It is even more important and fearful if the terrorism is from within and unknowingly funded by hard working American citizens. There is no Special Access Program beyond the oversight of political leaders elected by the people and for the people. If these political leaders jeopardize national security then that shall be handled in a court of law. But to tell America, to tell the American people, to tell the political leaders elected by the American people that America does not deserve to know what happening in the NSA’s dark, black rooms, with billions of dollars, behind closed doors, when we know that privilege has already been abused; that is the true definition of TERRORISM. That is the true definition of Communism and a Police State, no oversight. So fellow Americans, you may hem and haw in the face of truth but know that one day you will realize that your country has been USURPED from the very principles upon which it was founded.

If what you say is true, then I have a question for you. Why did you decide to share this only days after the PRISM documents leak?

I was jailed and illegally imprisoned. But this goes perfect with the prism and NSA stuff that's going on now, it's perfect because the media is actually covering it. Most of this has been exposed before, years ago, and none of the media would touch it. MSNBC is the only one that was covering any of this back in 2006/2008, pretty much every other main stream media site ignored it. Prism and this spying stuff is nothing new.. but I did just get out of jail, I was set up by the CIA, they had be held in jail where I was being tortured for two years. Just got out Thursday.. right when I got out, all this NSA stuff was going on.

I am so lucky to be alive, and free at this point. Lucky I could communicate any of this.

I got the good stuff on MKULTRA, actual documents from the CIA, FOIA request. Hey, these guys are literally ****ing crazy back then, they drugged and experimented on thousands of Americans. They were really into "Experimental Psychiatry" - Psychiatry is about mind control, mind control for medical reasons, mind control for weapons, the CIA sought to find ways to control people, truth drugs, LSD, and drugs for weapons, again like LSD, and psilocybin (drug to induce psychosis). Other parts of this include the brain wiping repatterning ****, setting people up to look psychotic, killing people, getting people permenently committed, enemies of the government. The CIA did pretty much have everyone in America involved, they got America hooked on drugs, doctors pretty much prescribing LSD in every major hospital just so the CIA could learn more about it and see what it would do to society. They also did a lot of bioelectromagnetic research and microwave weapon research. Check these sites for more info:

and look at the end of this big ass synthetic telepathy lawsuit to find a miniature amount of documents attached that came directly from the CIA on MKULTRA, ARTICHOKE, and BLUEBIRD (ignore the lawsuit stuff, yes most of the stuff is references to real programs and incidents, but the MKULTRA papers are at the bottom and dictate every record the CIA has on it. the actual CIA FOIA is bigger though, over 15,000 pages):http://mireilletorjm...ills_in_america

ps. the real bread and butter for mind control was never in drugs. to do real mind control, you need to have some level of control over individual neurons, which drugs don't do. they block things, receptor sites, usually, prevent nerves from functioning a certain way, cutting off signals, cause a hell of a lot of damage and toxicity, but not much else. microwaves and electromagnetism are the one true way to tap and control the mind, and I'm convinced they figured that out very earlier, which is when they consolidated everything, hid the programs, and started to find ways to deploy and use it usefully to their advantage. they probably also learned that only digital manipulation could get the result they wanted, which meant technology and computers. now they can get right in there and get precisely what they what, without even asking you or getting anyone's permission. they can also dose you very precisely with mind control, the messages they want, no unpredictable drugs for them, they want full control over the process when they torture and control people these days. I created a new term for it, "wireless LSD" because it can make you as sick as LSD and is designed to "make you psychotic", the difference is it's controlled; they can turn it on and off at will, and it's scripted, produced, and a program of mind control designed for each individual. no pill necessary, just a light gun array and long range EEG machine. it's safer for them as well, because they can stay very far away from you, and no one will believe what they can't see or easily test for (we can test for it, but who do you know that has the right kind of radar or radiowave detector, other than the military themselves? This brings up another point, since the military and government can detect it, they probably do watch it go on and intentionally just not do anything to protect anyone, like it's a group collaboration.).

Blocking this whole plan by wearing a $3 aluminium roll from Wal-Mart: priceless

Stanford or Harvard tested this, tinfoil only amplify radio signals. You gotta get a tinfoil sleeping bag, cover yourself up, and ground it to have a chance of it working. Problem is also, this is directed energy, millions of lasers come together to create a magnetic field in a precise location, ie your body or brain, so it's harder to block. I don't even believe MRI shielding would make a dent.

Every square inch of America, every home, every person, is being monitored by a computer system that tracks their thoughts and brainwaves. The US government has in their possession a weapon that can see and hear through all walls, extract and monitor all images, sound, feeling, thought, memory, dreams, and other data inside the human brain storage device.

I'm not too sure why I came in to this thread, I got to this point and had to stop.

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So this can read brainwaves, thoughts, etc. as well as implanting such things in to a person's mind? If so, why haven't they been using it on a wider scale to catch terrorist attacks before they happen? Given which section of the forums we're in I think I can already anticipate the reply, but this whole thing just doesn't make sense to me.

Stanford or Harvard tested this, tinfoil only amplify radio signals. You gotta get a tinfoil sleeping bag, cover yourself up, and ground it to have a chance of it working. Problem is also, this is directed energy, millions of lasers come together to create a magnetic field in a precise location, ie your body or brain, so it's harder to block. I don't even believe MRI shielding would make a dent.

I would get Apple to design me a tinfoil hat. If they can block the signals coming in to the iPhone 4, they could probably make a good (and stylish) tinfoil hat.

... but I did just get out of jail, I was set up by the CIA, they had be held in jail where I was being tortured for two years. Just got out Thursday.. right when I got out, all this NSA stuff was going on.

I am so lucky to be alive, and free at this point. Lucky I could communicate any of this.

So this can read brainwaves, thoughts, etc. as well as implanting such things in to a person's mind? If so, why haven't they been using it on a wider scale to catch terrorist attacks before they happen? Given which section of the forums we're in I think I can already anticipate the reply, but this whole thing just doesn't make sense to me.

Possibly because there aren't any terrorists worth catching. Otherwise, there'd be big bombs going off every day, and yet there are relatively few attacks. I personally assume that we can't verify how Osama bin Laden was really found or caught, the CIA could have easily published disinformation on the whole operation, because they would never tell you they used Remote Neural Monitoring or any type of brain scan technology to track him down.

There is the other problem that, the government can't use this technology constitutionally, so it's more of a game to hurt people, and they don't have serious interest in doing anything good but control society "in the black" with it. This stuff fits in a whole other side of government, one in which they see us all as the enemy, and they don't believe in any of our laws or anything.

Were you jailed, or involuntary committed?

Beat by two involved cops in front of my own family. Might want to listen to the audio recordings from my website which has their testimony (they witnessed it, see story.html). The cops were out to assault me, the whole incident was their own doing. Let me say, they framed me to say I did something I didn't, and had me arrested to cover the assault up. Lets say, that, they have a very dirty side, where they had intent to frame me, because they would never admit to using a microwave weapon on a person, or to using this technology to either spy, or as a weapon on someone. It's always a crime, they will always be very violent and rough if you accuse them or they actually did anything like this.

Possibly because there aren't any terrorists worth catching. Otherwise, there'd be big bombs going off every day, and yet there are relatively few attacks.

Ah, so it needs to be a big enough planned attack in order for them to bring out this device? So the recent shootings and the Boston bombings weren't deemed serious enough to warrant saving citizen's lives?

I'm not saying anything about your personal experiences as I can neither confirm nor deny them, but this Remote Neural Monitoring idea is too silly for me to consider for the moment.

Ah, so it needs to be a big enough planned attack in order for them to bring out this device? So the recent shootings and the Boston bombings weren't deemed serious enough to warrant saving citizen's lives?

I'm not saying anything about your personal experiences as I can neither confirm nor deny them, but this Remote Neural Monitoring idea is too silly for me to consider for the moment.

Not so silly as it seems though. It is possible, like in my case, that the technology comes out for official secret investigations only, like it was used by the US DOJ and CIA at the Oregon State Hospital in 2006/2010 during the investigation into the states chronic patient rights violations, which is basically how I became a target, because I tried to expose it all, and there was a big scandal with incidents I witnessed that included many staffers aiding in patient escapes and drug smugglings, and my case where one of the involved staffers sexually abused me and lied about it and sabotaged my care and release was covered up due to the states lack of liability insurance (see US DOJ report, newspaper articles, etc in "My Story" on oregonstatehospital.net); this women, Bonita Tucker, went on, along with several staff, to smuggle in bolt cutters, marijuana, morphine, amphetamine, and to marry her patient boyfriend at a later date - the state protected her and the staff, and targeted me for trying to expose it. But it wouldn't be far fetched to say it's in use everywhere and that no special circumstances need to exist, because technically any satellite or device capable of reading radiowaves can read brainwaves. It's not any special device, outside of the computer and software designed to interpret the signals. Basically, the waves produced by the brain are very low level frequency EMF (5-100Hz range), and are of the same type as any other light, radio, or microwave radiation. All the receiver has to do is focus on the frequencies of the nervous system, which are just below AM and FM signals. Truth is, many sources of radiation "electromagnetic fields" exist, anything that uses electrons produces a electromagnetic field, ranging from humans, to cats and dogs, to insects, and to wiring and electronic devices inside your homes. This is what aids them in seeing and hearing through walls, and of course any computer device can be designed to read and monitor these signals. This radiation flows through everything like a bright light bulb, and reflections and other distortions allow them to even see objects and shapes of the waves, thus it can also be used as a type of visual imaging device. It also has all the secrets of what's going on in your brain, allowing them to monitor everything you think. It's possible they have to focus on you, but I don't believe the US military or NSA would design some crappy system that wasn't covering most of the land. It's mostly an engineering issue, maybe they don't pay attention to everything they observe. But, again, the constitutionality of it all comes into place, they cannot use any of this information in a court of law, and can't bust you directly over something they read in your thoughts. If they gave off any sign that they were spying on you like this, attorneys, courts, and newspapers nation wide would go crazy; because it violates so many laws. There's the 1st amendment which clearly states the government needs probable cause and a warrant to spy on you, and the many torture, experimentation, and assault/battery laws would effectively criminalize everything they do with this. They'd much rather keep it all a secret and use the information they gather for their own personal and covert convenience only. This is not a crime fighting or national security system, because just by using it the government is committing a crime, which in itself is against national security. They would go to all lengths to protect the torture and experimentation they've done with these devices, the fact that they had to essentially crack the human brain open to get it all working, and they had to hurt thousands of people to do it. There are many victims of remote mind control and torture experiments nationwide which bars them from disclosing or doing anything but hurt people with this crap nationwide. And yes, even if it's just used to monitor you and not do anything to you, an assault on your privacy and rights is illegal no different than a direct physical assault.

Info: There is technically no distance requirement for them to pick up and read the energy produced by your brain. These EEG electrodes are planted outside of the skull and don't need to be attached to nerves directly, so CMOS optical sensor, or telescope, or again, a dense array of antennae can do the same thing. You just need a really good antennae for it to work from a distance. If you've seen the latest telescopes that can see a germ or bug from space, and read all of earths surface in a single shot, you begin to realize they could easily use the same telescope or radio imaging device to do the same thing but focusing on brain energy instead of light energy.

There's some information on Wikipedia about this type of "brain computer interface" - it's technically an external long range non-invasive BCI, that instead of being designed for consumerist or medical purposes, serves the police and military, and government usually for nefarious issues and completely illegal spying and mind control experiments. Wikipedia also documents that the brain responds to light and photonic energy, meaning microwaves which from what I can tell actually just create and alter the electromagnetic field produced by neurons. All communications in neurons are controlled by this field of electro discharges and the resulting electromagnetic field, ie neurotransmitters respond and move via the electromagnetic field produced by the nerves and neurons. Microwaves can stimulate and override these signals, so the brain "responds to light" - the brain has no mechanisms for distinguishing where the signal comes from, either itself, a closeby neuron, or a computer which mimics the signals of a neuron from afar. Brains are also notoriously fragile and effected by radiation, for example, people hallucinating from wiring and electromagnetic fields in their environment. They have developed a computer which taps into all this, and the problem is they're using it all in secret every day, and it's their most top secret and illegal program to date.

Check out this awesome article by Dr. Carole Smith, since it's obvious you didn't click through to the website or read any more information because dismissing this as "silly". I personally think you have no insight into our government, or how we are the communist country that basically survived over the years. This is one of the most corrupt and deadly places you can live, and there might be a reason others want to attack us still - we just don't care about the outside world that much. http://dandelionsala...y-carole-smith/