That's a great point Pierce, of the top 10 guards in the NFL - by my own ratings, only Logan Mankins, Mike Iupati and Ben Grubbs were first round picks. If Guard is your only need, and there's extreme value there I think it's fine taking on in the first. But I just think there's so much we need, and I've never been that impressed by Warmack where other people say he's the best player in the draft.

Mankins, Iupati, and Grubbs were all late 1st rounders at that. I'd be perfectly fine with waiting until the 3rd to pick a guard (or center if we want to slide Velasco to RG). Plenty of starting interior lineman get picked in the mid rounds and this is a deep class.

I'm gonna watch some games of him again. I watched him some during the season, wasn't much impressed. Then I watched some vids recently, just didn't seem like a top 10 pick. But maybe I missed things. I'll probably watch Moore again too.

Call me crazy, but if they think Sheldon can be a Kevin Carter type, I'd probably draft him at 10 over Germany or Moore.

I like Richardson as a disruptive UT type, but the thing that concerns me about putting him at DE (when comparing him to guys like Kevin Carter) is that he lacks length. Sheldon is 6'2 1/2 and Carter was 6'6.

The majority of the top interior OL guys in the league weren't first round picks. Look at the 2 top guards in FA this year. Levitre was a 2nd rounder and Vasquez was a 3rd rounder.

Us deciding not to draft anyone there last year is another story...

The majority of guards drafted in the first round are a slam dunk. Would you rather have a pretty good guard or a guy to anchor or line for the next decade? Just look at the most recent All-Decade team.

I heard that Sylvester Stallone wrote The Expendables with The Alex in mind. He had to keep it realistic though and split The Alex's abilities into multiple characters. Stallone thought that critics would pan it for being too far-fetched if he just had one character effing everyone up.

Werner has great flexiabilty and bend. Imo, I dont understand the hype on Ansah because he gets destroyed on a pretty regular basis....He is ineffective against double teams, his technique is ****, he is on the ground to much,and his explosion off the snap is inconsistent. I like his upside, but I doubt that he is gonna beast off the starting line like JPP.

I like Richardson as a disruptive UT type, but the thing that concerns me about putting him at DE (when comparing him to guys like Kevin Carter) is that he lacks length. Sheldon is 6'2 1/2 and Carter was 6'6.

Of the measurables, I've always thought height was the least significant. A shorter guy can get a leverage advantage easier. Sheldon also has the more important length factor imo, 34.5" arms and big hands. I'd definitely have him play inside too, just as Carter did.

I can see that not being considered the best value there, so a trade down could be sought after.

Werner has great flexiabilty and bend. Imo, I dont understand the hype on Ansah because he gets destroyed on a pretty regular basis....He is ineffective against double teams, his technique is ****, he is on the ground to much,and his explosion off the snap is inconsistent. I like his upside, but I doubt that he is gonna beast off the starting line like JPP.

One thing Ziggy has that can not be argued is the ceiling. Compare his workout #'s and size vs Werner. But I wouldn't say that w/o having some film to that impresses. Look at plays Ziggy made in the Sr Bowl vs top competition playing in the role as a 43 DE that we would play him vs being somewhat misused at BYU. Ziggy makes more "wow" plays that tell me he can beat elite competition like he will see in the NFL.

Many things you said against Ansah can be said against Werner as well. Not sure why you'd say JPP has any advantage coming out of college. P2W already did a good comparison there, Ziggy has the advantage technically...and just looks better on his college film to me.

I think most the knocks on Ansah can be said about Werner as well. It's completely different playing in a 3-4 defense as Ansah did as to a 4-3 like Werner did.

What worries me most about Werner is that there's not a single thing when watching him that I can say he does great. He's not extremely quick, not extremely agile, not extremely agile. The best things he has going for him in my opinion is his vision and his motor. When watching his film I see him run right by the OT, do some type of lean to barely get by their grasp and make a play far too often. Does this translate to the NFL? Time will tell, but I don't think it will. He's far from the Chris Long he gets compared to so often.

I think the largest determinant on who if Ansah is available is whether Detroit takes him or not. Detroit could go several ways, OT, DE, or even CB could all be realistic options.

Also, I did a full review of JPP coming out, I went to JUCO with him and knew first hand some of the things he could do. Watching the film I came away far more impressed than others because I actually watch how his game translated to the pros, not just his production.

From a production standpoint I understand the JPP comparsion, but as a player I think Ziggy is more comparable to a little more athletic Justin Tuck or since we're Titans fans, an early career Kevin Carter type player. But in watching film of Ziggy, I see a lot of things that translate very well to the NFL just as I did with JPP.

But in watching film of Ziggy, I see a lot of things that translate very well to the NFL just as I did with JPP.

That's the catch isn't it? We can see college players dominate on film, but so many of the things they do well just won't translate to the pros. That's why Ziggy is getting the hype after little college production just as JPP did. When I see the "wow" plays from Ziggy, I think I see things that will work against the best of the best. If you are drafting top 10, that upside has to be a big factor in your decision imo.

Agreed Bobo, some people merely look at production and not the whole package. These are the people that rank guys like Bill Swancutt as being taken in the first few rounds.

With Ziggy, you've got to look further than just the stats and how many big plays he made. He was a 3-4 DE so it's hard to analyze.

Ziggys 10yd split was very good for a guy 271. Ansah isn't a run the arch DE like JPP, Kearse and others. He's more of a power DE in the mold of a Kevin Carter, Justin Tuck, Bruce Smith type.

I like Ziggy alot, he's a complete player that can move inside on passing downs and the number 10 pick will be a reasonable cap number for a backup DE and in a few years he will be a steal in my opinion.

CB Brent Grimes: Grimes is coming off injury and may be looking for a 1 yr prove it deal. Little to no risk with the right contract.
TE Fred Davis: See Brent Grimes
RG Brandon Moore: One of the best RGs in the NFL, he is a little older but still playing at a high level. He should come very fair priced.
DE Osi Umenyiora: The market is soft for the DEs that have already signed, and with Elvis Dumervil, John Abraham and Dwight Freeney still available, he may be best signed a short-term deal.
DT Sedrick Ellis: His best years came under Williams, a 1yr prove it deal would provide us with depth and help Ellis resurrect his career

The Tits are said to have interest, along with the likes of the Ravens and Patriots. We'd have to probably offer $10 million a year so we can outbid the contenders. He was set to make $8 million this season.

The Tits are said to have interest, along with the likes of the Ravens and Patriots. We'd have to probably offer $10 million a year so we can outbid the contenders. He was set to make $8 million this season.

The Tits are said to have interest, along with the likes of the Ravens and Patriots. We'd have to probably offer $10 million a year so we can outbid the contenders. He was set to make $8 million this season.

I agree that we probably will have to outbid the contenders, but I'm not sure those contenders will be ponying up $8 mil per.

I'm kind of torn on this one. I do like Dumervil and we did lack a pass rush last year, but I'm uncertain if Dumervil is the right guy at his price point. We already have Wimbley and Ayers as undersized speed rushers. But at the same time the man can get to the quarterback and we need that.

On a side note, how pissed do you think our LBers are? Our 3 starters are the 4th, 5th and 6th highest paid LBers on our team...

On another site someone projected we had $6.1 million left to spend, however, they did this as the average of the contracts, whereas they are usually backloaded so I would say we actually have closer to $10m right now

Doom is a double-digit sack artist. They don't get 5y/$30m contracts. They get 5y/$45m contracts.

But if we can get him for the same price Cincy got Odom or Atlanta got Edwards, that'd be fine by me. I just think we'll have to open up our wallets for him, especially with so many superior teams pining for him.

CB Brent Grimes: Grimes is coming off injury and may be looking for a 1 yr prove it deal. Little to no risk with the right contract.
TE Fred Davis: See Brent Grimes
RG Brandon Moore: One of the best RGs in the NFL, he is a little older but still playing at a high level. He should come very fair priced.
DE Osi Umenyiora: The market is soft for the DEs that have already signed, and with Elvis Dumervil, John Abraham and Dwight Freeney still available, he may be best signed a short-term deal.
DT Sedrick Ellis: His best years came under Williams, a 1yr prove it deal would provide us with depth and help Ellis resurrect his career

Not sure what to think about Pollard. Is he ok with being depth?

Grimes would be hella worth a shot. The market value may be hard to judge here though.

I'd like Moore, but I'm guessing they'll draft a rookie fairly high and start him day one. If Moore still has some gas though, this has to be the one signing of this bunch that could be the biggest impact.

Doom is a double-digit sack artist. They don't get 5y/$30m contracts. They get 5y/$45m contracts.

But if we can get him for the same price Cincy got Odom or Atlanta got Edwards, that'd be fine by me. I just think we'll have to open up our wallets for him, especially with so many superior teams pining for him.

I don't think Dumervil will get close to a 9m/yr deal with the current market. The teams most notably interested in him don't exactly have a ton of cap space, although they could move it around if really interested.

I think we'll see Dumervil sign something close to a 1-2 yr deal worth around 6-7 annually.

The Ravens reportedly have around 7m in cap space, and they really need to try to bring in someone to play safety for them unless they decide to cut Suggs and replace him with Dumervil, I don't see it.

The Patriots have an estimated 10m in current cap space, so this is the largest possibilty of the 4 that show up as interested from nfl.com

The Broncos have around 8.8m from estimates, and they ate around 4.5m in dead money cutting Dumervil. So if they sign him to another 6-7m contract, that'd be 10-11m they're playing him this season. So I don't think that will happen.

Grimes would be hella worth a shot. The market value may be hard to judge here though.

I'd like Moore, but I'm guessing they'll draft a rookie fairly high and start him day one. If Moore still has some gas though, this has to be the one signing of this bunch that could be the biggest impact.

As for DE, I just want to start building with youth there.

I don't know about Pollard, but he could come relatively cheap. He's pretty slow though.

I would love to add Moore in FA, I bet he would sign something close to a 2yr/6m deal. Cutting Amano would clear $3.685 off the books according to rotoworld. So we could upgrade the RG position drastically AND get rid of Amano, now that's a winning combination!

Signing Moore would give us a beastly offensive line, while allowing us to groom a 3rd-4th round lineman to take over at Center/Guard