uh, sorry but it seems to me Murray finally turned the tables on Federer. Murray owns Federer now. He kicked his ass at Wimbledon pretty convincingly.

if/when Nadal will comes back healthy, Nadal will beat everybody. He owns Fed and Murray. And he's been owning Djokovic the past 3 times now. Yet Novak will still be Nadal's toughest opponent from here on out.
Federer is pretty much done.

LOL, what's this. One loss and suddenly you've dumped your man, while siding with Fed who got out in the QF.

Cvac will come back guns blazing at the AO. Nadal will only come back in good form by the FO not likely earlier. Would like to wait and watch on Murray. But yes, if Nadal comes back fit, he'll regain dominance over Murray and Fred. Nole and Nadal will be pretty much even with Nadal having an edge.

Not sure. Rafa hasn't won anything off clay since 2010. Hard to tell how he's gonna fare in 2013 especially after such a long break (6 months). I know Fed is having a glorious year but still he will be pushing 32 next year. Even this year he didn't dominate the slams. And he is in top form, so I really don't think it will happen next year either. If anything, Fed's stellar form could drop a bit next year even in best of 3. By the way, kind of off topic but I've just realized Djoko has never beaten Murray during summer hard court!! They played once in Canada and Murray won, twice in Cincy and Murray won and now once in USO and Murray won. Djoko only dominates slow hard courts: AO and Miami. I would love a Rafa/Murray domination of the tour in 2013. I hope it happens but it all depends on how well Rafa can recover. I definitely don't believe Fed will ever dominate the slams again. It's completely up to him when to pull the plug but I know if I were him, I wouldn't wait too long at this point. He achieved his "post 30" goals: getting an Olympic medal, 1 more slam and the #1 ranking back. It's all downhill from here and I would leave while still on top if I were him (maybe at the end of next year or after AO 2014).

LOL, what's this. One loss and suddenly you've dumped your man, while siding with Fed who got out in the QF.

Cvac will come back guns blazing at the AO. Nadal will only come back in good form by the FO not likely earlier. Would like to wait and watch on Murray. But yes, if Nadal comes back fit, he'll regain dominance over Murray and Fred. Nole and Nadal will be pretty much even with Nadal having an edge.

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Sentinel....there is no way I have sidelined My champ Novak. he is the best human being out there and best loser Tennis has seen.

But my feeling is that out of the top4 Novak looks the most vulnerable when pitted against each other.

Again...no I will not give up on Novak..I started liking him from 2007 and was the only man to stand against the tyranny of Fedal domination.

I wish my champ would hold 2-3 slams in his life, but only time will tell.

One thing for sure...Nadal will won Both Fed & murray. time will tell, time will tell!

No It's completely up to him when to pull the plug but I know if I were him, I wouldn't wait too long at this point. He achieved his "post 30" goals: getting an Olympic medal, 1 more slam and the #1 ranking back. It's all downhill from here and I would leave while still on top if I were him (maybe at the end of next year or after AO 2014).

if/when Nadal will comes back healthy, Nadal will beat everybody. He owns Fed and Murray. And he's been owning Djokovic the past 3 times now. Yet Novak will still be Nadal's toughest opponent from here on out.
Federer is pretty much done.

uh, sorry but it seems to me Murray finally turned the tables on Federer. Murray owns Federer now. He kicked his ass at Wimbledon pretty convincingly.

if/when Nadal will comes back healthy, Nadal will beat everybody. He owns Fed and Murray. And he's been owning Djokovic the past 3 times now. Yet Novak will still be Nadal's toughest opponent from here on out.
Federer is pretty much done.

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then why is federer wimbledon champion?

anyways, i don't see this reverting back to just "fedal" winning majors. djokovic is definitely not going to slide out of the picture anytime soon and murray is getting a tons better.

however, i am curious if murray's able to keep this pace up, but of course, we have to wait and see.

Nadal has owned Murray in So many Slams, he he alwaus has the right to say Hi to Murray even when when Murray sleeps....c'mon man this thread is not meant to derail with Nadal's early exit from wimbly 2012.

Federer is 31, so I don't expect him TO DOMINATE tennis severly again. He can win maybe one or two more GS, but not very likely.

Nadal??? Nobody knows his physical state. Something tells me he will never be back at his full physical potential. If that is the case, he will no longer dominate tennis and probably only be a GS winner again on clay.

I say Djokovic and Murray each one wins more GS from now on than either Federer or Nadal (from now on, I mean).

Not sure. Rafa hasn't won anything off clay since 2010. Hard to tell how he's gonna fare in 2013 especially after such a long break (6 months). I know Fed is having a glorious year but still he will be pushing 32 next year. Even this year he didn't dominate the slams. And he is in top form, so I really don't think it will happen next year either. If anything, Fed's stellar form could drop a bit next year even in best of 3. By the way, kind of off topic but I've just realized Djoko has never beaten Murray during summer hard court!! They played once in Canada and Murray won, twice in Cincy and Murray won and now once in USO and Murray won. Djoko only dominates slow hard courts: AO and Miami. I would love a Rafa/Murray domination of the tour in 2013. I hope it happens but it all depends on how well Rafa can recover. I definitely don't believe Fed will ever dominate the slams again. It's completely up to him when to pull the plug but I know if I were him, I wouldn't wait too long at this point. He achieved his "post 30" goals: getting an Olympic medal, 1 more slam and the #1 ranking back. It's all downhill from here and I would leave while still on top if I were him (maybe at the end of next year or after AO 2014).

Murray CANNOT beat nadal on clay or even hardcourt. If he runs into him at any point of a slam, the bets are crossed against him. Murray is celebrating, but it's the same celebration that Fed did in 09 at FO. I understand Djok is a much better finals opponent than soderling, but the main point is Nadal was a no show. If he's in, murray won't even take 2 sets in a slam event off him.

Murray CANNOT beat nadal on clay or even hardcourt. If he runs into him at any point of a slam, the bets are crossed against him. Murray is celebrating, but it's the same celebration that Fed did in 09 at FO. I understand Djok is a much better finals opponent than soderling, but the main point is Nadal was a no show. If he's in, murray won't even take 2 sets in a slam event off him.

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umm USO 2008 and AO 2010 say hi! Also tokyo where nadal only won 4 points in the third set also says hi

I think if Nadal is a bit off his game he can lose to Murray at the AO or USO, but at Wimbledon and Roland Garros I don't think Murray will ever beat Nadal. Grass rewards the more aggressive player, and that is Nadal. And clay rewards Nadal, period.

Isn't it more likely that Fed is winding down and we see Rafa and Murray as the new rivalry. I'm beginning to think, Rafa, after some time out may find more motivation than Djokovic who is aiming at not much really. He's stuck between being established but not getting up there with the Sampras of this world.
Only think I can see him wanting badly is the career slam with RG.

I think if Nadal is a bit off his game he can lose to Murray at the AO or USO, but at Wimbledon and Roland Garros I don't think Murray will ever beat Nadal. Grass rewards the more aggressive player, and that is Nadal. And clay rewards Nadal, period.

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Yes. As an aside, I do think no other rivarly will match Rafa/Rog, as much as I like watching Rafa, Rafa/Murray just will never have the gloss of the aforementioned.