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Hi,
What would cause a return of ocd routines and moderate anxiety at bedtime/through the night only? Wouldn't you think that if there was another infection, it would cause symptoms (attack brain, formation of antibodies) all day and all night.
Daytime is completely normal. in fact, there have been recent gains and these gains are evident during daytime.
Thanks for any thoughts.
Kim

Jan 251, Thanks so much for sharing that information on IL10. Very interesting tidbit. So it could very well be that the bacteria/etc. are congregating in the bladder causing irriation/inflammation.
Maybe the way around D mannose calming of inflammation yet potential exacerbation of untreated hidden infection would be to have urinary antiseptics on board as well (like herbs) while using the D mannose. IN fact, the ones in the health food store do have dmannose mixed iwth uva ursi, etc. My mind just goes back to the people who have been using D mannose as a maintenance and they do not seem to end up in a worse situation....atleast the ones that I have read. Time to do more research.
Emst, Thinking more on histamine issue you mentioned....I am pretty sure bacterias/parasites/protozoa are related to causing a rise in histamine or affecting mast cells. Maybe this is just mast cell activation in bladder like others get mast cell activation in other parts ot he body. Just thinking out loud.
Sarojane, Did your daughter's symptoms "flare" after starting treatment? As that is what I am connecting to our urinary flares...once while beginning antibotic treament and 2 years later while beginning herbals. Or do you connect it to something else such as Spring Season or PANDAS flare? And yes, I believe that ocd/anxiety can cause the urinary symptoms to increase.
Thank you for all the input as our kids will hopefully benefit from all of our minds brainstorming together.
Kim

Emst,
That is interesting. So in this case, it might be more reflective of the autoimmune nature of PANDAS rather than caused by herx. or bug accumulation in bladder. etc. I will have to go back and look up when this happened to us before. The first occurrence was definitely Feb. of 2012 when we had the crisis and received dx of PANDAS/Syd. chorea. Upon starting abx. treatment, through March and April, the urinary issues started. Then it just mysteriously stopped after several months.
It was definitely again around March when it started this year and I connected it to starting herbals causing herx/bugs migrating but it also is interesting the same time as far as Spring. Ineresting. he has no other allergy symptoms.
I can also tell you that he had a 3 days stint of it last year after getting a filling...but this was in May...so that owuld seem PANDAS flare related. It did not happen in March /April.
What has given you relief? Have you found relief with antihistamines. Zyrtec is not tolerated here.
Kim

Hi Everyone,
Has anyone used D Mannose successfully for urinary urgency, dribbling, discomfort and a negative urine culture. My theory is that for some, when you go on antibiotics/herbals, the bacteria(all kinds as well as tick related coinfections) like to congregate in the warm moist bladder and cause irritation. I have seen this pattern before when we first started on antibiotic treatment and it triggered urinary urgency, dribbling, and discomfort that lasted several months and now again, we are seeing these issues after switching to herbals.
Another theory I have is that they cling to bladder lining which is why some get repeated negative urine culture. Been there, done this as well.
In my searching of the forum, I did see one or two comment on D Mannose as helping. Nothing recent.
I also hope that since the D Mannose is absorbed quickly and shunted mostly thorugh the urinary system, it will not cause any gut growth of bacteria since it is techincally a sugar. I would imagine that other lyme/IC sufferers reporting relief would also have leaky guts and they are not complaining of bacterial growth in intestine afte rusing D mannose.
Finally, in my searching, I am coming across something called mannose binding lectin deficiency .....big sigh....seems like several of the kids on this forum are coming up with this as well. Will be researching this now.
Thanks for any input on the above.
Kim

Hi,
I am looking for feedback from those familes who have children that have received long term IVIG treatments and then made deicsion to stop or take a break.
How/Why did you make the decision to stop? Did you start increasing space in between infusions or cut it cold turkey?
If things went well, what do you think contributed to the continued upward trajectory even though you stoppped IVIG? Or vice versa....if symptoms flared again, what do you think contributed to that?
Thanks for any input.
Kim

Joybop,
Would you expand on this part?
I have been suspicious of the intracellular bacteria theory for years due to my kids other autoimmune issues and this really raises the flags. If that theory is true then supplementing him with vitamin D may make things worse.
I have a friend who swears they cannot tolerate any Vitamin D even though they are deficient. What is the intracellular bacteria theory connection.
Thanks.

Could she be in herx from the bee venom?
It is still early for me and no coffee....but trad. Chinese medicine guy uses bee venom as part of treatment for Lyme if I remember it correctly. Maybe yahoo search it.

Hi,
Does anyone have any experience with using Pectin to mop up after biofilm protocol? I keep reading about Modified Citrus Pectin having been proven to bind released metals. I do not like though that the MCP products usually seem to contain Sodium and Potassium....as some of the other supplements can too and if you have ACE++, this might not be optimal.
Finally, Interfase PLus.......read that some people who have CBS mutation do not tolerate the PLUS (EDTA). I suppose this is why they are using the Pectin?? to bind metals instead. ANyhow, just looking for a way to bust biofilm, bind metals and avoid toxins stuck in body that can flare symptoms.
Thanks for any input or sharing of your experiences.
Kim