the bible says you can move mountains with faith. apparently, that doesn't apply to walking on water. i find it amusing that miracles supposedly took place in the bible, and yet, when some faithful servant tries a miracle now, he just dies. tell me, what is god's plan in this? do you think this will do something positive for christianity? does a failed miracle some how have a positive impact? did he accidently turn off the "miracle switch?" oh, right, i guess our tiny brains can't fathom the complexities of god's plan.

Humans are unable to understand what total faith even means. I'm not dumb enough to try to walk on water because I know that my faith isn't strong enough to allow it to happen. In the bible, peter is able to momentarily walk on water until he begins to fear and worry and then he nearly drowns. As humans there will always be that inevitable shred of doubt in the back of our minds that prevents us from accomplishing things such as this. The preacher should have known better, and as a result, not only did he drown but he also made believers look silly.

I really don't understand what laughing at someone who dies, regardless of how or why accomplishes unless you're a total jerk, no offense.

Humans are unable to understand what total faith even means. I'm not dumb enough to try to walk on water because I know that my faith isn't strong enough to allow it to happen. In the bible, peter is able to momentarily walk on water until he begins to fear and worry and then he nearly drowns. As humans there will always be that inevitable shred of doubt in the back of our minds that prevents us from accomplishing things such as this. The preacher should have known better, and as a result, not only did he drown but he also made believers look silly.

I really don't understand what laughing at someone who dies, regardless of how or why accomplishes unless you're a total jerk, no offense.

none taken. i think it's sad that he was dumb enough to keep walking when he realized it wasn't working (maybe he was embarassed and would rather be dead), but i think it's funny that people think they can do miraculous things with faith, and it ends up backfiring.

this man had enough faith to DROWN. he didn't walk on the water at ALL. you're saying that a man who actually walked until he drowned didn't have as much faith as peter? you've got to be kidding me. i love the old, "you didn't have enough faith" cop out. so classic.

the bible says you can move mountains with faith. apparently, that doesn't apply to walking on water. i find it amusing that miracles supposedly took place in the bible, and yet, when some faithful servant tries a miracle now, he just dies. tell me, what is god's plan in this? do you think this will do something positive for christianity? does a failed miracle some how have a positive impact? did he accidently turn off the "miracle switch?" oh, right, i guess our tiny brains can't fathom the complexities of god's plan.

The whole thing was just a practical joke by god to see if anyone would try it. He's probably ROFLing right now.

Humans are unable to understand what total faith even means. I'm not dumb enough to try to walk on water because I know that my faith isn't strong enough to allow it to happen. In the bible, peter is able to momentarily walk on water until he begins to fear and worry and then he nearly drowns. As humans there will always be that inevitable shred of doubt in the back of our minds that prevents us from accomplishing things such as this. The preacher should have known better, and as a result, not only did he drown but he also made believers look silly.

I really don't understand what laughing at someone who dies, regardless of how or why accomplishes unless you're a total jerk, no offense.

But why would God take a person who has an enromous ammount of faith in him, and let him die an embarassing death while trying to show people that faith in the lord is powerful? Pretty messed up if you ask me.

the bible says you can move mountains with faith. apparently, that doesn't apply to walking on water. i find it amusing that miracles supposedly took place in the bible, and yet, when some faithful servant tries a miracle now, he just dies. tell me, what is god's plan in this? do you think this will do something positive for christianity? does a failed miracle some how have a positive impact? did he accidently turn off the "miracle switch?" oh, right, i guess our tiny brains can't fathom the complexities of god's plan.

But why would God take a person who has an enromous ammount of faith in him, and let him die an embarassing death while trying to show people that faith in the lord is powerful? Pretty messed up if you ask me.

exactly. the fact that the guy believed enough to actually go out there and drown trying seems like enough faith. who cares if he had a small bit of doubt; he still went through with it. sounds pretty lame if god is up there.

according to revolver45, everyone with faith has doubts. so, apparently, it's good enough to keep you out of hell but not good enough to keep you from drowning.

But why would God take a person who has an enromous ammount of faith in him, and let him die an embarassing death while trying to show people that faith in the lord is powerful? Pretty messed up if you ask me.

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exactly. the fact that the guy believed enough to actually go out there and drown trying seems like enough faith. who cares if he had a small bit of doubt; he still went through with it. sounds pretty lame if god is up there.

according to revolver45, everyone with faith has doubts. so, apparently, it's good enough to keep you out of hell but not good enough to keep you from drowning.

First of all, do we know that this guy knew how to swim? My apologies if I missed that. How do we measure faith? Someone might say that have complete faith they'll never cheat on thier wife. (All the time.) The Bible says you could move mountains if you had the faith of a mustard seed. Basically what I'm saying is that our faith is pathetic compared to an all powerful god. God may have not been too impressed by this preacher who was boastful it seems.

PS. I hope no one uses the "cop out" of saying that using the concept of an all-powerful god is a cop out. I personally never say "God did it." as a response, but maybe some people here should think hard about what that short statement means.

First of all, do we know that this guy knew how to swim? My apologies if I missed that. How do we measure faith? Someone might say that have complete faith they'll never cheat on thier wife. (All the time.) The Bible says you could move mountains if you had the faith of a mustard seed. Basically what I'm saying is that our faith is pathetic compared to an all powerful god. God may have not been too impressed by this preacher who was boastful it seems.

PS. I hope no one uses the "cop out" of saying that using the concept of an all-powerful god is a cop out. I personally never say "God did it." as a response, but maybe some people here should think hard about what that short statement means.

I just don't understand why God would take a person who is obviously very dedicated to his faith in the Lord, and kill him in an embarassing way while he's trying to show that faith in the lord is powerful. It seems like a greusome practical joke.

Humans are unable to understand what total faith even means. I'm not dumb enough to try to walk on water because I know that my faith isn't strong enough to allow it to happen. In the bible, peter is able to momentarily walk on water until he begins to fear and worry and then he nearly drowns. As humans there will always be that inevitable shred of doubt in the back of our minds that prevents us from accomplishing things such as this. The preacher should have known better, and as a result, not only did he drown but he also made believers look silly.

I really don't understand what laughing at someone who dies, regardless of how or why accomplishes unless you're a total jerk, no offense.

hahaha are you kidding me? I'm supposed to respect and feel bad for a guy who killed himself doing something absolutely rediculous? I pity him for having his mind so badly distorted that he believed he could do something like this. But I laugh because it's a great extreme example of millions of instances how religion crashes head on into common sense.

As for the miracles... Yeah there's nothing fishy about there being a multitude of them in the bible but nothing anything close to a "miracle" has ever been accurately documented to the point where there is no doubt ever since!

God has countless efforts devoted to having his believers down on Earth constantly going on about how everybody is going to hell, but saving a man who was probably completely devoted to him wouldn't fit into his schedule.

But to ever point out a contradiction or illogical point to do with religion makes me an ******* who doesn't respect peoples' right to believe what they want. Spending countless hours nitpicking every single scientific theory for holes though is an admirable pursuit though.

It's sad that someone would do something like that, I'm sure he's missed by friends and family.

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But why would God take a person who has an enromous ammount of faith in him, and let him die an embarassing death while trying to show people that faith in the lord is powerful? Pretty messed up if you ask me.

Because if God did something like that, that would be the same as giving evidence. And if you have evidence, that removes faith, and without faith then there is no freewill to believe. Or something like that.

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The problem here is in the interpretation of what Jesus meant by "faith". Is by no means blind conviction. This is evidenced by this dumb guy drowning himself.

The faith that Jesus spoke of is belief in the holy spirit, and in the Christ consciousness that exists throughout creation, after one has had real contact with them.

Once you have merged your consciousness with one of God's agents of creation then Jesus states to have faith in them, that they will do what you ask of them.

Walking on water can only be done by those who can see in reality and truly that all of creation is just a condensation of God's thoughts. His thoughts were condensed into light, energy, atoms, electrons, and finally solids, liquids, gases, plasma, and ether.

Only when you percieve this light of God everywhere can you control it.

Yogis in India have been performing the miracles of Christ before his birth and after.

the bible says you can move mountains with faith. apparently, that doesn't apply to walking on water. i find it amusing that miracles supposedly took place in the bible, and yet, when some faithful servant tries a miracle now, he just dies. tell me, what is god's plan in this? do you think this will do something positive for christianity? does a failed miracle some how have a positive impact? did he accidently turn off the "miracle switch?" oh, right, i guess our tiny brains can't fathom the complexities of god's plan.

Maybe he has so much faith that god decides to let him get to heaven sooner

the bible says you can move mountains with faith. apparently, that doesn't apply to walking on water. i find it amusing that miracles supposedly took place in the bible, and yet, when some faithful servant tries a miracle now, he just dies. tell me, what is god's plan in this? do you think this will do something positive for christianity? does a failed miracle some how have a positive impact? did he accidently turn off the "miracle switch?" oh, right, i guess our tiny brains can't fathom the complexities of god's plan.

The Bible says thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Putting your life at risk aside from God commanding it is not good. Jesus is God. This man is not. For him to attempt this is foolish and no surprise the outcome he acheived. I would laugh too so I really dont care that you do. Just dont assume this man had any support from God being that God never said it is good to threaten your own life. When Jesus was asked to threaten his life he replied with

"thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God" Perhaps this man could have gotten more with this revelation

This story reminds me of the joke I heard where a man walked into the lions cage at the zoo saying that God would protect him but the lions ate him anyway. After eating, one lion said that they had prayed for a meal to come along before the man had said his prayer.

If you start to put yourself in the position of miracle-maker, actively trying to use the Bible and God's word for your own personal gain, you will fall, and hard.
What need is there for this man to try a stupid stunt like this? Nothing of the sort in the Bible encourages this type of behavior. God gives us free will, and unfortunately that free will also includes the ability to undertake amazingly idiotic acts.

The Bible even implores people not to let others know when they are fasting, not to seek attention for their suffering. This man was obviously trying to gain attention for himself through his act.

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the bible says you can move mountains with faith. apparently, that doesn't apply to walking on water. i find it amusing that miracles supposedly took place in the bible, and yet, when some faithful servant tries a miracle now, he just dies. tell me, what is god's plan in this? do you think this will do something positive for christianity? does a failed miracle some how have a positive impact? did he accidently turn off the "miracle switch?" oh, right, i guess our tiny brains can't fathom the complexities of god's plan.

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What an idiot. Everyone knows God doesn't work through miracles like that. That's too convincing. He performs miracles in a more round about way, like helping people get good grades on their tests, determining the outcome of football games, helping rappers win a grammy, and making trees that kind of look like a praying person.