I don't believe in no Jesus. My faith is to the guy whose name was Jesjuah bin Joseph, aka Jesjuah ha-Mesjiach, who taught me a trick or two about
healing fatal injuries and fake death in the sense of logic and grace. No prophet was ever called Jesus, and no Jew born in Judea some 2000 years+ has
ever been called Jesus.

Indeed. What did Jesjuah say himself? "Do to others what you'd like others would do to you". And "The greatest kind of Love is to enter death for
another to live". Jesjuah didn't die for us other than in baptism, the soldier at the foot of the cross however died instead of him, since he let a
death-convict survive, and showed this convict the greatest kind of love around. This centurion was traditionally called Longinus Panthera, or the
"Lion's Lance". To me he is up there with Stephanos as the first marthyrs. Jesjuah only died once in my understanding. True death cannot be undone,
not even for gods, as demonstrated throughout religious history.

If there is something that you dont understand or do not know...does part of your belief give you faith that God will frogive that and understand
it?

And if that is so with you...what about with others that may not understand or know?

What about someone with good intent in life, always tried to love others and be humble and honest....is their lack of belief really going to matter?

All God asks is that we accept that no amount of good works can ever get us into heaven. If we come to that point, then we can accept his offer to
transfer our sin to Jesus. Once our sin is transferred to Him, our standing before God is "sin-free". It's a legal transfer. God declares that
legally, we are in right standing before him. There is no longer anything preventing us from getting to heaven.

Could you go into more detail regarding the geometry you speak of? Also, I am left wondering where the spelling Jesjuah comes from as I have only ever
seen it spelled Yeshuah. I am assuming this geometry is some type of numerology which would depend on the spelling? I remember hearing something
similar in regards to 666 and Nero. I also do remember some newer discovery about 616 being the actual number a few years ago so maybe there is some
validity to this supposition.

If Jesus existed at all, his story was probably really something like this:

This guy, Jesus, who has some distant claim to being King of the Jews through his mother, studies up on his sorcery and magic and presents himself to
be the Messiah. With the help of his aunt, Salome, he basically takes over the already large following and a lot of the philosophy of his cousin,
John the Baptist, and goes around casting out demons, generating money, and building his following. Eventually, he gets a little too ambitious for
his own good (and possibly infected by some demons, himself), goes a little nuts, and heads to Jerusalem to claim his title. He causes a ruckus in
the Temple, and mostly for being a pain in the butt, he's arrested, tried, convicted and executed. There are a few Gnostic stories that suggest
Simon Peter took his place on the cross, but that's not what the bulk of them say.

Not long after, somebody else who looks completely different shows up and convinces some of Jesus's following that he is Jesus back from the dead,
and some believe it. That person doesn't stick around too long, but it starts rumors.

And so some of the Apostles continue to do demon casting and preaching to make a living, and eventually the stories get mixed up and re-edited, and
Christianity lingers in the background for a couple hundred years until the Emperor Constantine credits it with helping him win a battle, and the
stories get standardized. That's probably what happened.

There are some other weird things that might have happened, like the time travelers at the tomb, and so on, but it makes the most sense as just a
plain and simple story about an overly-ambitious guy who failed to become King of the Jews.

Obviously nothing can rock your Petra mantra. Jesus died, and I agree, Jesjuah survived, and we were shown how to survive even the worst case
scenario, since there is love in other places than inside yourselves, but also in retired centurions who needs a little extra something to be
ressurrected (cloned from bones etc. in the future) and become a child of God in the Kingdom. How can anyone claim Jesjuah had to show this love,
while none others? And if others showed it, then how come you lie against it? Jesjuah says himself it is impossible to survive the certain death,
called the second death, and we are also shown that baptism counts as first death. Personally I survive the certain death about once a year since my
faith allows me to continue alive and relatively unharmed. I don't walk around calling meself the Son of God in effect of that, I simply thank God for
all the extra days he has given me, and promise I won't live life to the limit every bloody day and excuise myself for having turned to the Spirit for
help who has shown me mercy every time I was supposed to be dead. I should have been dead atleast 40 times during my life. Like Johnny Cash and
friends sing in the song below, life and death may be deceiving:

Originally posted by Soldier of God
All God asks is that we accept that no amount of good works can ever get us into heaven. If we come to that point, then we can accept his offer to
transfer our sin to Jesus. Once our sin is transferred to Him, our standing before God is "sin-free". It's a legal transfer. God declares that
legally, we are in right standing before him. There is no longer anything preventing us from getting to heaven.

My goodness my friend, sounds like you need a lawyer to plead your case into heaven. Heaven is right here before our eyes. The only thing God wants
from us is to love him with all our being and our neighbors as ourselves. At least that is what Jesus said.

OK, so kill your own son and prove to God what blessed Abraham was unable to when he tried to kill his only begotten son. There is no way that God
would demand human sacrifice. But all the Christian dissidents of the Roman branch still believe that God is dealing with human sacrifice. If I could
I would destroy such ignorance by calling you son and putting a fist into the softspot in your head or something. It just doesn't work the way you
claim, that God accepts human sacrifice, other than in the symbolic realm.

If there is something that you dont understand or do not know...does part of your belief give you faith that God will frogive that and understand
it?

And if that is so with you...what about with others that may not understand or know?

What about someone with good intent in life, always tried to love others and be humble and honest....is their lack of belief really going to matter?

All God asks is that we accept that no amount of good works can ever get us into heaven. If we come to that point, then we can accept his offer to
transfer our sin to Jesus. Once our sin is transferred to Him, our standing before God is "sin-free". It's a legal transfer. God declares that
legally, we are in right standing before him. There is no longer anything preventing us from getting to heaven.

And so for you to know this golden rule that good works cant get you into heaven....God counted on another man to write this down in a earthly book
for you to have this wisdom....right?

And God lost faith that you or I would not one day understand and be able to carry our own cross and come to Thee? Be ready to live more for Spirit
over the flesh....and that now we have to place Jesus's blood on our hands through believing another had to die when God says to 'not kill'.

What sense is this?

My point is, by looking into life, where the word is...a different story is told. To just go by the scriptures...is this really seeking?

So what have you learned on your personal path of seeking within, as Jesus said to do? And you are aware that Jesus did say for you to pick up your
own cross...right?

I see. So we sinned against God, therefore God had to send Jesus to earth. Jesus suffered because we sinned.

My question is this, if God is a good, forgiving and loving God. Wouldn't God just forgiven us for our sins instead of making Jesus suffer. I don't
see how that is a lesson learned.

It is not about learning a lesson -- it is about atonement.

First, I hope that you recognize that Christians believe that Christ IS God. God didn't send some random guy named Jesus to suffer and die, he sent
himself. If you don't get that, then you won't understand much about Christianity.

Secondly, St. Anselm demonstrated it this way. The nature of a crime is related to whom it is committed against, and the debt required to result in
satisfaction is commensurate with that. For example, treason against a king is a worse crime than betraying a peasant (appropriate for Anselm's
times) or the way that we see a man beating a child to be a worse crime than a man beating his wife, which is a worse crime than a man beating his
male friend.

In the case of sin, we have committed a crime against an infinite being, God, resulting in a debt which is infinite. For God to have satisfaction, he
can't simply "wave it off" as you imply, because this would be simply acquiescing to evil, saying that our actions don't matter. But we have an
infinite debt, one that we can never possibly pay, unless the one who is also infinite pays the debt for us.

And so that's what he did. He, God, suffered for our sins, but, for those who accept this sacrifice, our infinite debt for a lifetime of sin has
been paid.

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