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We have a “trade imbalance” with China because we buy a lot of cheap Chinese shit. If you make Chinese things more expensive with tariffs all that happens is we spend more money buying it from China or somewhere else.

Yes, we are sending money to China. We do it in exchange for goods. It’s silly to worry about the “imbalance” because we’re (by we I mean individual private entities) are voluntarily engaging in trade. If they’d be better off buying goods from Vietnam or Indonesia Walmart is free to do that. They would if it was a better deal for them.

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We have a “trade imbalance” with China because we buy a lot of cheap Chinese shit. If you make Chinese things more expensive with tariffs all that happens is we spend more money buying it from China or somewhere else.

I actually don't have that big of a problem with some protectionism. I've held that for a while. And China should be punished for their actions. Tariffs may or may not be the best way to do so, but it is a way.

However, I understand that this action passes costs on to the US consumer. If ANY of board right wingers would admit this, particularly the stupid "libertarian", we might could have a conversation. But they won't because it goes against every thing they've ever been told to say and it doesn't look good that King Trump is levying a tax on the US consumer.

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I actually don't have that big of a problem with some protectionism. I've held that for a while. And China should be punished for their actions. Tariffs may or may not be the best way to do so, but it is a way.

However, I understand that this action passes costs on to the US consumer. If ANY of board right wingers would admit this, particularly the stupid "libertarian", we might could have a conversation. But they won't because it goes against every thing they've ever been told to say and it doesn't look good that King Trump is levying a tax on the US consumer.

Hey asshole. Tariffs are a tax on goods that we can choose to buy or not to buy. I did not say anything in support of an increase in tariffs so why don't you go fuck yourself.

All my posts were sensible and not one sided vs Obama or in favor of Trump. You are too dumb to see that. Please do not respond to another post of mine.

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We have a “trade imbalance” with China because we buy a lot of cheap Chinese shit. If you make Chinese things more expensive with tariffs all that happens is we spend more money buying it from China or somewhere else.

Yes, we are sending money to China. We do it in exchange for goods. It’s silly to worry about the “imbalance” because we’re (by we I mean individual private entities) are voluntarily engaging in trade. If they’d be better off buying goods from Vietnam or Indonesia Walmart is free to do that. They would if it was a better deal for them.

Trump has been obsessed with this issue since the 80s. Of course you are right, but to the extent Trump has core beliefs, lowering trade deficits and tariffs are among those he holds dearest.

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"Since Trump took office and began his trade war, the total value of America’s agricultural exports to China decreased from $17.142 billion in 2017 to $11.853 billion in 2018, a drop of 31 percent, data from the Foreign Agricultural Service show."

"The fall is set to worsen in the current year. According to the same data, U.S. agricultural exports to China between October 2017 and February 2018 totaled $9.76 billion. The same period a year later, between October 2018 and February 2019, the figure was $1.61 billion, a decline of 83.5 percent."

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Sonny Perdue said on Friday that President Donald Trump had asked him to create a plan to help American farmers cope with the heavy impact of the U.S.-China trade war on agriculture.

A new aid program would be the second round of assistance for farmers, after the Department of Agriculture's $12 billion plan last year to compensate for lower prices for farm goods and lost sales stemming from trade disputes with China and other nations.

The toll on U.S. agriculture has been heavy, in a sector that has largely been supportive of Trump. Soybeans are the most valuable U.S. farm export, and shipments to China dropped to a 16-year low in 2018, while soybean futures prices fell this week to 11-year lows - and once again closed down on Friday.

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The ultimate irony is that China can’t walk away for long. China will blink and be contact the US again within a very short time to open negotiations again because the Chinese economy is not doing very well currently.

At less than half the size of the US market, the Chinese economy can’t survive for long without the US, while the US economy can survive just fine without China. The US market is the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

China either learns how to play ball on a level playing field, or they will have to pay the 25% tariffs imposed to sell their goods in our market, while either scenario is good for Main Street USA

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