What will the new marine special forces do? - Page 4

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May 8th, 2004

RnderSafe

Hey Mickey boy, to whom are you speaking? Check your PMs, hot shot.

May 8th, 2004

Marksman

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May 8th, 2004

Abell

Several points, sorry....Im a new guy.
The Marines do have FR and if you have ever worked with them you would know, these guys are VERY good, NOT SOF...not even designed to be... but equal to any task of any unit of like nature, Ranger, SF....I have ever seen.
The comment that only ARMY has SF is not exactly true. In name maybe, but you can't cast out the SEALS as not being SF or SOF. Very broad mission parameters and tasking. AF does have PR and they too are amoung the elite. (God, I hate that term) Lets say, they are high speed and extremely competant/, certainly in the top echelon of masters of their trade.
You know, I sure get tired of hearing the words Special Forces, Elite, blah, blah, blah....see what Hollywood does?

May 8th, 2004

RnderSafe

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Originally Posted by Abell

Several points, sorry....Im a new guy.
The Marines do have FR and if you have ever worked with them you would know, these guys are VERY good, NOT SOF...not even designed to be... but equal to any task of any unit of like nature, Ranger, SF....I have ever seen.
The comment that only ARMY has SF is not exactly true. In name maybe, but you can't cast out the SEALS as not being SF or SOF. Very broad mission parameters and tasking. AF does have PR and they too are amoung the elite. (God, I hate that term) Lets say, they are high speed and extremely competant/, certainly in the top echelon of masters of their trade.
You know, I sure get tired of hearing the words Special Forces, Elite, blah, blah, blah....see what Hollywood does?

Abell, the comment that only Army has SF is quite true. Special Forces is just like "Navy SEALs" it is the title of the SOF unit, or in this case, groups. Like Rangers, like PJs, CCTs, etc. Special Forces, despite what some wannabes might think, is not a Hollywood term. If you wish to paint all of those units with a broad stroke, then the term SOF is appropriate, but referring to anything other than USA SF as SF is incorrect, period.

May 8th, 2004

Abell

Agreed in principal, if not fact. No one has the "Title" patented like Army Special Forces nor the long tab for that matter. The point is, over the years anything and everything has been brandished with the term when it should have been SOF OR whatever it is they do. Ie....Seals, Rangers, etc..SF has become a generic term while incorrectly placed. Your OSC is accepted... 8)

May 9th, 2004

RnderSafe

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Originally Posted by Abell

Agreed in principal, if not fact. No one has the "Title" patented like Army Special Forces nor the long tab for that matter. The point is, over the years anything and everything has been brandished with the term when it should have been SOF OR whatever it is they do. Ie....Seals, Rangers, etc..SF has become a generic term while incorrectly placed. Your OSC is accepted... 8)

Yes, it has .. quite a bit of that responsibility falls on the media for always portraying every unit no matter the title or mission statement as being "SF." After 25 years, you would think I would be willing to let it go - but it is a pet peeve and I most often always correct the misconception. Just as I try to inform people that members of the SOF community cannot fly, bullets do not bounce off of them - and there are no one man Rambo teams.

May 9th, 2004

Redneck

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Originally Posted by RnderSafe

members of the SOF community cannot fly, bullets do not bounce off of them - and there are no one man Rambo teams.

Why do the recruiting officers always have to lie to me, Sir?

May 9th, 2004

Abell

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Originally Posted by RnderSafe

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abell

Agreed in principal, if not fact. No one has the "Title" patented like Army Special Forces nor the long tab for that matter. The point is, over the years anything and everything has been brandished with the term when it should have been SOF OR whatever it is they do. Ie....Seals, Rangers, etc..SF has become a generic term while incorrectly placed. Your OSC is accepted... 8)

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Yes, it has .. quite a bit of that responsibility falls on the media for always portraying every unit no matter the title or mission statement as being "SF." After 25 years, you would think I would be willing to let it go - but it is a pet peeve and I most often always correct the misconception. Just as I try to inform people that members of the SOF community cannot fly, bullets do not bounce off of them - and there are no one man Rambo teams.