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Saturday, July 6, 2013

Ryo Fukawa criticizes Namie Amuro's music video

1： 五十京φ ★ 2013/07/01(月) 20:08:43.37 ID:???0

The media reported that Namie Amuro was playing piano "for the first time" which drew comments from different sectors.

Talent Ryo Fukawa, known as one of the best pianists in showbiz shared his thoughts on her latest music video for "Let me let you go" on his radio program Rocketman Show (J-Wave).

"Her finger forms are like those of a beginner.""This kind of sound will not come out with that kind of playing,"Pointing out that she was just pretending to play the piano.

"(If you say that you're singing to your own accompaniment) The sound that's supposed to be coming out of you should really be your own.""I thought with this that Amuro-san isn't an artist, but a performer. An artist will not do that.""I suppose Amuro-chan also has fans who have been playing the piano all their lives. Those fans are probably feeling sad too.""(To Avex) Are they looking down on the music industry?"

Some net comments:"If you just think that it's an act for the video, then just looking like you're playing it is alright.""I'm disappointed in you Amuro-chan.""So she's just an idol singer after all."

Ryo Fukawa was also popular for giving his opinion on Fuji TV who were giving importance to Hallyu, and gained the sympathy of many people.

やはり、ピアノやってる人間だとすぐにお見通しなんだなSo a piano player really can tell right away, huh?

11： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:11:48.29 ID:HkRe8m+T0

まあ舐めてるかって言ったら舐めてますよWell, I do believe they're looking down on the industry

16： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:12:07.65 ID:RufGLOsv0

ピアノ演奏初披露って銘打っているから問題だな
そうじゃなければアテフリぐらい許せるがThe problem here is that they declared that it's her "first time to show off her piano playing".If they didn't, I would have forgiven it if it was just an act for the video.

23： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:12:48.89 ID:4CLhnitd0

たしかにピアノはどうかと思ったわ
やる必要あったのかねTrue, I seriously wonder if they did the right thing with the piano here.Did they really have to do it?

27： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:13:40.64 ID:V98ehPW6P

アムロはパフォーマーでアーティストってイメージは確かにないRight, Amuro is a "performer", not an "artist"

http://news.music.biglobe.ne.jp/files/05/28/1025/20120525102805_0.jpg

29： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:14:03.39 ID:ntg8HSS90

安室奈美恵もミュージシャンと思われたいんでしょ
そのうちジャズとか歌い出すんだよNamie Amuro probably wants people to think that she's a musician too.I'm thinking that she'll start singing jazz one of these days.

30： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:14:05.28 ID:BkYFxVxC0

06/30 ラジオ 『J-WAVE ROCKETMAN SHOW』 生放送より
ふかわ「ちょうど安室ちゃんがピアノの弾き語りを初披露って記事があって、その新曲のPVを見たんだけどね、あれ見た？」
作家「いや知らないです」
ふかわ「酷いよあれ、弾き語りってさ。ピアノ弾いてる人にはわかるのよ。指の曲げ方や置き方が初心者特有のそれで、その弾き方じゃ絶対にこの音は出てないってのが明白なの。我々は騙せないってこと。そういうの見せられてどう思う？」
作家「PVですから音源とは別の部分を使ってるとかあるんじゃないですか？」
ふかわ「いや違うね。完全にあてぶりなのよ。安室奈美恵はピアノ弾けないわけ。CDの音が嘘ってこと。ぼくはアウトなのこれは。安室ちゃんっていったら日本の一流のアーティストでしょ？普通ね、あてぶり提案されても乗らないよその発案に。
これ見て安室奈美恵はアーティストじゃなくてただのパフォーマーなんだって実感したね。
それからこれをやらせて弾き語りって宣伝するエイベックスは日本を舐めてるね。
おいエイベックス日本を舐めてるのか
日本の音楽を舐めてるのか。
これは安室奈美恵に軸足が向いてる人は全然許せるんだろうね。でも僕みたいにピアノや音楽に軸足が向いてる人は絶対に許せないよ。安室奈美恵が好きな中にもピアノに軸足がある人もいるだろうし、そういう人はガッカリだろうね。
この会社はダメだね、ああ…もう一言あるけど…これ以上言うと発言拾われちゃうから。言わないけどね（笑）日本音楽業界における最悪な会社です。」6/30 J-WAVE ROCKETMAN SHOW tanscriptFukawa: "I've seen this article about Amuro-chan singing while accompanying herself with the piano for the first time, so I watched the video for that new song. Have you seen it?"Author: "No, I'm not aware of that."Fukawa: "That was horrible, playing while singing? People who play the piano could tell. The way she bends her fingers and her hand placements are those of a beginner, and it's obvious that this kind of sound cannot be created with that kind of playing. They're not fooling us with this. How would you feel when you're shown something like that?"Author: "Well, it's just a music video so they might be using additional sounds that don't come from the source which is the piano."Fukawa: "No, that's not it. She's totally just acting like she's playing it. Namie Amuro can't play the piano. It means the sound on the CD is a lie. I think this is unforgivable. Amuro-chan is a first-rate artist in Japan, right? Normally, if someone proposes this idea to you, you won't accept it, right? That means that Avex who asked her to do this and publicize it as "playing the piano" is looking down on Japan. HEY AVEX, ARE YOU LOOKING DOWN ON JAPAN? ARE YOU LOOKING DOWN ON JAPAN'S MUSIC INDUSTRY? I think this is totally acceptable to the people who are loyal Namie Amuro fans. But to people like me who are pianists and musicians at heart, something like this is definitely unacceptable. I suppose Amuro-chan also has fans who have been playing the piano all their lives. Those fans are probably feeling sad too. This company is no good. Yeah, I have one more thing to say... But if I say more than this, people will quote me on it. I won't say it though (laughs), this company is the worst company in Japan's music industry."

315： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:41:10.14 ID:iMUDn+e30

>>30
見出し以上にガンガンきててﾜﾛﾀWow, that's much more aggressive than the article

35： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:14:38.37 ID:yYX8uqD+P

口パクもどきは排除したいな
映画のＣＧもそうだが・・・I also want lipsyncing eliminated. But I think that can also be said for the CG elements in movies...

37： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:14:58.01 ID:9JZzMsqq0

安室ちゃんにはダンスと歌があるのになんでこんないまさらつまんないことしたんだろうな？Amuro-chan can already sing and dance. I wonder why she has to do something as boring as this.

38： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:15:12.33 ID:qE+uP+R50

音楽業界を舐めてるってのは飛躍しすぎwSaying that they're taking the music industry lightly is too much LOL

42： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:15:49.72 ID:zfZFMmHH0

いやいや、ＭＶなんか当てぶりに決まってるだろ
馬鹿なのかふかわWell, it's just natural that they'd only be acting like they're playing in music videos.Is Fukawa stupid or something?

49： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:16:51.97 ID:NgejB0Ig0

>>42
だからどうみても下手くその弾き方なのに
音としてはめっちゃ上手いから別人が弾いてるんだろって話だろWhat he's saying is that no matter how you look at it, she looks like she's a bad player and that the one playing is a really good musician.

47： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:16:27.39 ID:PwuhHoGU0

歌番組に出てるバンドも当て振りだから別にいいんじゃねーのBut the bands in music programs also aren't playing live, so I think it's alright.

http://cdn.natalie.mu/media/1205/0522/extra/news_large_P5226735.JPG

50： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:16:57.11 ID:7D2uRhij0

正論だけど、そこはＭＶの演出として割り切って見ろよWhat he's saying is correct, but he should at least differentiate this since it's a music video after all.

ライブで下手くそなりにピアノ披露ならば、ふかわの言い分だと文句ないんじゃないBut they did say on the morning programs like Mezamashi that "Amuro-chan trained hard and is playing piano in this music video"...The way they were promoting it, it was as if they were saying that the sound in the music video is actually made by her playing.Isn't that what Fukawa is criticizing?If she plays the piano badly during a concert, I don't think Fukawa will have any complaints.

55： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:17:25.98 ID:8mSxaxOWI

情報番組かなんかでこの映像が流れてるの見たけど、そのわずかな時間だけでもすぐにわかるくらい、素人丸出しの指の構えだった
かえってカッコ悪いのになんでこんなことしたんだろうなI saw a clip of this video in some sort of informational program, but that short clip was enough for me to tell that her fingers really looked like that of an amateur. This actually ruins her image, I wonder why they decided on doing this.

58： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:18:06.88 ID:ZsLwd/o2O

正論だなA sound argument

59： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:18:10.09 ID:LD0fBkSW0

エアピアノだからジャンルとしては金爆といっしょｗThis is called "air"-piano, same genre as Golden Bomber

安室側が「ピアノ弾きました」って言っているのが問題なんだろうなThe problem here is that Amuro's side is declaring that she's playing the piano

134： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:25:30.26 ID:XzSWjysu0

今朝、フジでやってたけど、メイキングを流すこと自体がもうね。
もう、マスコミも含めてウンザリだわ。They showed it on Fuji this morning and they even showed the making of the video. I'm just fed up with everyone, the media included.

136： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:25:42.33 ID:yksxHysz0

考えようによっちゃ口パクよりひどいかもな
口パクはあくまで本人の声だからなDepending on how you think of it, this is actually worse than lip-syncing.At least you're still singing to your own voice.

142： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:26:27.34 ID:AucQiGUs0

>>136
その声を調整継ぎ接ぎしまくってるのは…But there are also cases that the voice has been edited and adjusted like hell...

146： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:26:54.86 ID:yWSy9G/oO

PVってどれも全部CD音源なんですけど？
CDのプロモーションなんだから当たり前だよね
逆にアテブリじゃないPVを教えてほしいわBut all music videos have the music source coming from CDs, right?This is just natural since they're promoting the CD.I actually want people to point me to music videos where they're not just playing along to the sound.

160： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:27:49.09 ID:NgejB0Ig0

>>146
そのＣＤは誰が演奏して収録した音源なの？Then who's the one who played and had that sound recorded on CD?

207： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:32:11.39 ID:BT+R6j/t0

>>146
文盲？
さも安室が弾けるかのような演出に怒ってるんでしょCan't you read between the lines?He's angry at the fact that they're making it seem like Amuro is the one playing.

152： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:27:21.20 ID:nccagLsb0

ドラマで俳優が当てぶりするのは仕方ないと思うけどMVではダメだなI think actors have no choice but to do something similar on dramas, but they shouldn't do it on music videos.

153： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:27:24.35 ID:zzRrLZrHO

まあふかわは言う権利はあるんじゃないか
俺には指がどうとかわかんないからなI think Fukawa has the right to express his thoughts.I'm not one to talk about the fingers and such.

156： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:27:33.97 ID:DJXgN4TF0

そもそも安室のMVやライブのコンセプトは海外から拾ってきたパクリだらけだからな
こうだ！っていう自身の発信は皆無なのよねBut Amuro's videos and concepts of music videos are just rip-offs from what they do overseas. Doesn't she have an original concept of her own?

ステージ関係者と安室のライブ見たけど、「安室ちゃん、口パクだね」って一発で見抜いていた。
私には本当に歌っているようにしか見えなかったけど。
それ以来、安室ちゃんは眺めるだけにしてる。I once watched Amuro's live performance with a stage staff, and he saw through her and said "Amuro-chan's lip-syincing".To me, it only seemed like she was singing live.After that incident, I just stare at Amuro-chan.

438： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:52:22.75 ID:DS0jjdjaO

>>158
は番組収録？ライブ？
この人口パクはしないって言ってたし、かなりプロ意識が高いと思ってた。
ふかわの言う通りだ。
エイベも安室もだめだな。
最近の音楽番組にも一石投じてもらいたい。Are you talking about a taping for a program or a concert?She said that she never lip-syncs, and I thought that she had a high sense of professionalism.It's just as Fukawa said. Both Avex and Amuro are no good.I hope he also gives his thoughts on the recent music programs.

165： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:28:26.56 ID:md8tsRMb0

吉本のエース岡村隆史に逆らい
韓流を批判し、秋元康に吐き気を感じ
エイベックスの歌姫にも牙をむく

ふかわりょう、たくましくなったなHe went against Yoshimoto's ace Takashi Okamura,bashed Hallyu, expressed his disgust at Yasushi Akimoto,and has now turned his fangs against Avex and the songstress.

Ryo Fukawa, you've really become stronger.

173： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:28:53.54 ID:OE9eZRVl0

これでライブで完璧に生演奏を仕上げてきたら安室を見直すがなｗI'd change my opinion of Amuro if she proves him wrong by playing perfectly LIVE though LOL

>>176
トキオも絶対演奏してないよな・・
まあ多少は出来るだろうけどCD音源は別の人がやってると思うTOKIO probably doesn't play their music at all too...Well, I guess they can but I think that other musicians play the instruments on the CD.

458： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:54:02.22 ID:2cLeVYaT0

TOKIOは演奏してると思うけど、
男闘呼組ってあの編成で出来てたの？I think TOKIO plays their instruments, but was Otokogumi able to play their instruments with members like that?

481： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:56:13.49 ID:yWSy9G/oO

>>458
TOKIOは以外と上手いらしいけどCDはプロが弾いてるよ
なぜなら演奏者本人に聞いたからTOKIO are actually pretty good players, but professionals play the music on their CDs.That's because I heard it directly from the one who plays the music.

182： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:29:52.87 ID:2dHbe2fC0

ふかわりょうはけっこう好きだけど、作る音楽は素人に毛が生えた程度だと思うI like Ryo Fukawa but I think the music he makes is just a little better than amateur level

183： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:30:08.01 ID:58iTPsXt0

そもそも安室なんかアイドル崩れでアーティストじゃないだろ
アーティストが弾き語りしたぐらいでニュースになるかよBut Amuro isn't an artist, but an ex-idol in the first place.An artist who just plays an instrument while singing won't be making headlines.

197： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:31:49.74 ID:tJKWEbS40

安室自身がもう良くも悪くも権威になっちゃったから
本人の提案に待ったかけれる人が近くに居ないのかもねWhether we like it or not, Amuro herself has become an authority.I wonder if there's anyone one near her who can stop her from pushing through with her ideas.

209： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:32:29.01 ID:l/hXEAcT0

ギターはエアーか本物かすぐ分かるよね。ピアノはやってた人しか見抜けない。You'd immediately know if someone is just faking the guitar, but the piano can only be seen through by people who have played it.

214： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:32:44.66 ID:Fmlrb2VpO

ピアノはやった事ないから知らんが、安室は英語の発音どうにかならんのか
かっこよさげな曲とダンスでもあの英語の発音じゃ台無しだぞI've never played the piano so I really can't tell, but can't Amuro do anything about her English?She may be cool when she sings and dances but everything goes to waste with pronunciation like that.

http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/seserara-geinou/imgs/4/c/4c983cc6.jpg

239： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:34:37.29 ID:58iTPsXt0

>>214
それでいて曲の殆どが英詞だったりするから滑稽だよなAnd what's funny is that most of her songs have English lyrics

277： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:37:29.27 ID:vJDyWdFC0

>>214
あとドリカムとかね
英語すらできないゴミが本格派気取って英語ばっかの歌歌うのは恥ずかしすぎるSame as Dreams Come True.They can't even speak English but they're acting like they can, it's embarrassing really.

221： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:33:14.90 ID:oK82AF+N0

ポケビのMVでのうっちゃんこと内村光良のピアノは本当にうっちゃんが演奏したもの？What about Pocket Biscuits' MV? Is Ucchan, I mean Teruyoshi Uchimura, really the one playing the piano there?

安室にピアノってすっっっごい似合わないｗ
ビックリした
日本一ピアノが似合わない女だよ安室奈美恵The piano doesn't suit Amuro at all LOLI got surprised.Namie Amuro is the number one woman in Japan who doesn't look good on the piano.

241： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:34:48.44 ID:gIpyAByxP

MVの中でどんなコスプレしてもいいんだけど、
ピアノは音楽の道具だからね。音源の中で自分が弾いてもいないのに嘘ついたらいかんな。She can cosplay all she wants in her music videos, but a piano is a musical tool. She's not even the one who's playing the piano on the CD, she shouldn't be lying here.

260： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:36:03.93 ID:1TwkopkOP

DJで評価されてから変わったよねふかわ
これがいいのか悪いのかは知らんけどFukawa has changed after people rated him highly as a DJ.I don't know though if it's a good thing or a bad thing.

http://storage.kanshin.com/free/img_24/240980/1632178305.jpg

272： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:37:00.27 ID:90FwUaf4T

安室が本当にピアノ弾いてると思ってる人いないでしょBut I doubt that there are people who actually think that Amuro plays the piano

284： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:38:05.21 ID:+sZa3Fnj0

>>272
ピアノ初披露って売り文句だからいるだろ
ピアノかじったことないと指の運びなんてわからんよThere are since he's complaining that they promoted this song by saying that Amuro was playing the piano.I really have no idea how the fingers of someone who hasn't played the piano look.

293： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:38:43.96 ID:58iTPsXt0

>>272
安室が弾き語りを披露って提灯記事書かせて宣伝してたからなThat's because of the fake news the Amuro is showing off her piano skills in this one

302： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:39:37.22 ID:Va0PHTeWP

明日から5時に夢中MCは逸見太郎が復帰かなDoes this mean that Taro Itsumi will return as 5-ji ni Muchuu's host?

最近妙にアーティストぶってたしな
踊ってるだけなら年の割に動くねですんだのに
ピアノの弾き語りとか出来もしない事やろうとするからボロが出る She's been trying to act like an artist lately.If she just sticked to dancing, people would just say that "wow, she can still move in spite of her age!"but she suddenly goes and plays the piano. That's why her faults will come out.

>>328
５時に夢中の司会をしているうちに
毒づくボーダーラインが狂ってきたんじゃないかな？
これくらいの発言なら、５時に夢中基準なら単なる雑談でしかないしHe might have lost track of the borderline between what is and what isn't harsh due to his hosting duties on 5-ji ni Muchuu. A statement like this is just a mere chit-chat based on 5-ji ni Muchuu standards.

336： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:42:52.04 ID:jAkBjMif0

小指が余りにも丸くなってるから、当て振りなのがわかって正直痛かった

でも意外とTOKIOの国分が上手なんだよね
アレンジも上手いし
スキマスイッチのピアノの人と同様、大人になってから始めてあれだけ弾ければすごいよHer pinky is too round so it's pretty pathetic once I found out that she wasn't the one playing. But I'm surprised that Kokubun of TOKIO is actually pretty good.He's also a good arranger.Just like the Skimaswitch pianist, it's amazing that they can play this much even though they started when they already became adults.

昔は、坂本龍一も、「エイベックスなんて、NYのクラブに行って売れないディスコサウンドミュージックを買いあさっている会社でしょ？」
なんて放言していたもんだったが、ここまででかくなるとはなあ。Ryuichi Sakamoto once said, "Avex is that company who goes to NY clubs and buys the unpopular disco music there, right?"I didn't imagine it would escalate this much.

http://www.commmons.com/alp/artists/img/sakamoto.jpg

409： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:49:29.67 ID:fpBDSq520

>>389
教授エイベックスで仕事してるやんBut the professor himself is working for Avex

445： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:53:11.53 ID:kHVZSCXSP

ふかわは韓流とか安室とか、普通は喧嘩売れないところに突っかかる馬鹿wFukawa is a fool who picks a fight with the seemingly untouchable ones like Hallyu and Amuro LOL

456： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:53:54.63 ID:iB64zflA0

あかんふかわ干されてしまうUh-oh, Fukawa might lose his projects

467： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:55:25.38 ID:+bxJ6rZ60

ふかわに同意するがエイベックソ相手に大丈夫なんだろうか
干されないか心配だI agree with Fukawa, but will he be alright going up against Avex like this?I'm worried that he'll lose his job.

484： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/01(月) 20:56:20.64 ID:RO4g4UIq0

>>467
もう干されてるからこういう路線で行くことにしたんじゃないの
事務所自体はでかいから安心してんのかなHe's already losing his projects so that's why he's taking this path.His agency is pretty huge too, so there might be a feeling of confidence coming from him.

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