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Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

Originally Posted by KingHashirama

Key word "counter".... once you are caught you cannot counter it.. only known people to do that Jins or another Uchiha members.. Which is the point. And i gave Tsukuyomi as a Example... And it is my opinion on which clan is stronger why does it bother you?

Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

Originally Posted by Noddy

Ultimately, it's because reasoning is shit.

No its because its known for not having a counter.... that is why Kishimoto failed in this. (he probably would explain a counter in the Hashirama vs Madara fight).. until then no. no need to act like a smartass mate.

Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

Originally Posted by KingHashirama

No its because its known for not having a counter.... that is why Kishimoto failed in this. (he probably would explain a counter in the Hashirama vs Madara fight).. until then no. no need to act like a smartass mate.

Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

Originally Posted by KingHashirama

all 6 of them has MS and especially Shusui who had the strongest Genjutsu known.. probably had tsukuyomi. But yea the people we have seen using it are only 3.

Good post, the point is once you caught in Tsukuyomi you cannot escape it.. It has already been shown in the case of Sasuke and Itachi. And this is talking about Jutsu not if the whole clan has it or not. Not the whole Senju clan is strong as Hashirama. Madara used a Genjutsu (probably Tsukuyomi ) and it made Raikage fall to his knees.

Tsukuyomi is instant. which makes it very hard to avoid. And then look at Izanami , or Izanagi.

Well that is true, if you were to fight one on one, however, who would be stupid enough to fight someone with kekkei genkai or a special dojutsu like sharingan alone? Sure when they fight Bee it is an assault, which for the assaulted shouldn't be about fighting but simply making an escape.

Many jutsus are overpowered in certain situations, but if Itachi is alone, it's not really an useful jutsu to use depeding on who and the amount of opponents.

Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

Originally Posted by thegame

Well that is true, if you were to fight one on one, however, who would be stupid enough to fight someone with kekkei genkai or a special dojutsu like sharingan alone? Sure when they fight Bee it is an assault, which for the assaulted shouldn't be about fighting but simply making an escape.

Many jutsus are overpowered in certain situations, but if Itachi is alone, it's not really an useful jutsu to use depeding on who and the amount of opponents.

Tsunade vs Itachi ....... Guy vs Itachi... Kisame vs Itachi .. or Madara or whoever. The thing is its not like other Genjutsus. Its instant. Boom your caught in it. And when facing the big 3 uchihas you have no choice but to look at them. And then you have shit like Izanami..

In a one vs one Situation the jutsu VERY OP. currently the jutsu used against Kabuto.. Kabuto was basically killed there.

Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

Originally Posted by KingHashirama

point proven.

Laughable. Kamui is lethal if the foe is initially caught. As is Jinton (unless you're a S/T user). You single out Tsukuyomi for being OP once the opponent is caught yet you seem to fail to realise that this is true for a ridiculous amount of jutsu, including some possessed by the Senju Clan; all these things must be avoided, not directly countered in most cases. Believing Kishimoto has unbalanced the story and that this one technique seperates the two clans shows a clear lacking of thinking skills.

Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

this is dumb...... because donzo can get out of tsukuyomi with izanigi and so can nagato and so can the SO6P, because the rinnegan grants the user the abilitie to detect any genjutsu so i have already pointed out 3 people that can counter tsukuyomi......

Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

Originally Posted by KingHashirama

Tsunade vs Itachi ....... Guy vs Itachi... Kisame vs Itachi .. or Madara or whoever. The thing is its not like other Genjutsus. Its instant. Boom your caught in it. And when facing the big 3 uchihas you have no choice but to look at them. And then you have shit like Izanami..

In a one vs one Situation the jutsu VERY OP. currently the jutsu used against Kabuto.. Kabuto was basically killed there.

Well Izanami was made to work against the selfish ones using Izanagi, and Kabuto got too full of himself, it wont work on any kage or any good guy shinobi

Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

i see your point in a 1v1 battle there hasnt been a way to counter it and its not like many other one shot justsu because you really cant dodge it because its not physical which leads you to question how a hashirama beat madara even tho he obviously did so there must be some way

Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

as for izangi and izanami they arent really one shots izangi can really only be used twice and all it does is stop you from dying pretty much as for izanami its only useful on the arrogant like kabuto a person like hashi or naruto probably could escape it.