While I have known about F-22s deployed to the Gulf region, the article also states that 20 F-15s from the Mass. Air National Guard's 104th wing are
at an undisclosed base in the region. On top of that the active duty 18th Wing, home based in Japan (guess they aren't worried about N,Korea?) have
also deployed; the 18th's aircraft have been updated with new radar.

This is the first substantial air superiority deployment to the gulf since the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Most combat deployments of the USAF in the
region have been attack aircraft and bombers to attack targets on the ground. It now appears they are prepared to fight in the air....which means
Iran.....

Throw the aircraft carriers' aircraft in, and all the other deployments it is seriously looking like someone expects something to happen. We have
moved alot of hardware (which means spent money) around the area.

I don't worry to much when they Navy moves around, they are designed to do that. But when home based USAF or US Army troops start moving, I start to
wonder.

Originally posted by Nietrick
I live in the flight corridor between Grissom AFB and Chicago, with the 122nd National Guard base nearby, so when there's military movement in the
area, I hear and see it overhead. In the last month or two I've noticed an increase in military flights in the area. In fact, this is the most
movement I've seen/heard since the beginning of the Iraq War and the Surge. While what I've been seeing isn't anywhere near that level, it IS an
uptick. Since it's mostly helicopters and a few jets, I've been wondering if it has to do with the craziness in Chicago because of NATO or if this
is happening all over.

So gather 'round the table fellow ATSers! This is the place to discuss what you're seeing as far as military movements are concerned. Maybe if we
share info, we can get a sense of what's coming and be better prepared. www.abovetopsecret.com...

this_is_who_we_are was kind enough to point me over here when I started a similar thread yesterday. In the spirit of community, I'll put my latest
observations in this thread instead of my own.

Another helicopter flew over my house today. It's getting to be a daily thing, which, for someone who lives in a really rural area, is odd. Also,
going over this thread I remembered something strange I saw a month or so back. I'll throw it out to you all to see if someone can elaborate on what
it was.

My small town has an industrial trailer factory. They make trailers (think mobile homes) used as mobile offices and add-on classrooms for schools. I
noticed a while back that they have an area in front of the building with stacks of what look to be hollow trailers with a door hole and one window
hole, painted camo along the back and like a damaged stucco building in front. They looked like the kind of thing used for training or for paintball.
There must have been a hundred or more of them. I thought it was unusual, but nothing to get excited about. Until helicopters and jets started flying
over my house. Now....I don't know. That this trailer factory is right next to the train tracks may or may not be in play.

Originally posted by dwarfflex
some thing is going on. ? i had a lady share this with me today, i find what she shared interesting .

I live in Norfolk England between 3 airbases. I know this sounds crazy but I know the sounds from the bases when they are practicing with weapons and
stuff. But lately I've seen a lot of trucks full of troops with ammo crates etc. this is not normal activity. Also of a nightime there's been odd
noises and yet they are not planes or choppers they aren't thunder either? It sounds very deep and it grumbles. Do you think this is kind of weird? I
lived here 13 years and I never heard nothin like thius before. And its also after midnight every time

As you go down the list at the link, you will notice certain rounds that are for nothing but killing people and inflicting maximum damage, and against
the Geneva Convention.. they dont want to wound anybody.. if you are shot, they want you to die, simple as that.

We heard 450 million rounds for Glock pistols..

This new list totals over 856 million rounds... along with other purchases..

This astonishing amount of purchased ammunition has lead many to speculate and believe that homeland security is actively preparing for what they
believe will be a bloody and extremely violent American uprising and or civil war.

When you couple this large scale buildup of ammo with bulletproof checkpoints, law enforcement bulletins labeling everyday Americans as possible
terrorists, and a series of videos that painted middle class Americans as the new Al Qaeda you can clearly see that at least portions of DHS are
planning for some sort of violent confrontation with the American people.

This information is very disheartening... It does make one wonder WHAT just sort of hell on earth do these DHS folks have planned, or are planning
for, "just in case"???

Whatever their reasoning, the "tea leaves" are telling me that a whole lot of hurt is coming for the peasants.

The air globally is becoming "pregnant", at times, (due to media hype), we feel a bit fearful the idiots might actually start a HUGE war... ready to
birth a superpower conflict even! If they keep the insanity going a bit longer!

Then we see a Secretary of State, threatening countries and saying they "will pay the price of supporting Syria".

I thought the dang position of Sec of State, was one of constantly seeking peace and diplomacy, NOT WAR THREATS, or some such heated rhetoric, eh??

The whole mess seems to be coming quite unglued recently, and the warhawks seem to be leading the charge, and winning the "permission struggle",
for more war.

For the
last two years, the President’s Budget Submissions for the Department of Defense have included purchases of a significant amount of combat
equipment, including armored vehicles, helicopters and even artillery, under an obscure section of the FY2008 National Defense Authorization Act
(NDAA) for the purposes of “homeland defense missions, domestic emergency responses, and providing military support to civil authorities.” Items
purchased under the section include combat vehicles, tanks, helicopters, artillery, mortar systems, missiles, small arms and communications equipment.
Justifications for the budget items indicate that many of the purchases are part of routine resupply and maintenance, yet in each case the procurement
is cited as being “necessary for use by the active and reserve components of the Armed Forces for homeland defense missions, domestic emergency
responses, and providing military support to civil authorities” under section 1815 of the FY2008 NDAA.

1,500 troops divided into 3 battalions. This is getting intense. I need to reread the Constitution. I didn't think this was legal. My older bro is
former marine. I remember he told me they drilled the Constitution into him during his service. Forced gun seizures, north american union, all the
rest of the rumors are beginning to seem more feasible. hosted.ap.org...FOX News

Have to remember, with the influx of personnel coming back from Iraq, the military restructuring and addition of newer systems brought into the
military during TWOT many armories may be having to put addition vehicles or materiel in their motor pools and storage areas.

National Guard and Reserve Forces aren't a massive a threat as Active Federal Forces, not only do they hold their pledge to the State and Adjutant
General/Governor, but for years the Pentegon has been trying to move Combat Arms out of Guard and Reserve Units.

The Reserves have no current Combat Arms units, the Guard has slowly been having it's Armor taken away as the Pentagon seeks to shrink the existing
Armor Corps down in favor of vehicles like the M1128 MGS and other LAV's.

This of course is hinging on the bet that the Guardsmen and or Reservists take their oaths to be more than a spoken word. It could be very likely they
are activated as Federal Forces and play game with the Active Federal Forces in the event of Civil Unrest.

Federal Protective Service orders around 150 sets of riot gear to be delivered in 15 dayswww.abovetopsecret.com...
by frazzle
started on 7/27/2012 @ 09:49 PM

Originally posted by frazzle
Oh oh.

the behemoth Department of Homeland Security (DHS), which is tasked with protecting property owned, occupied or secured by the federal government,
seems to be getting ready for a riot or riots in the very near future.

The solicitation was posted on July 25, 2012 with a response date of July 26, 2012 and delivery a mere 15 days later.

The items required are: 147 “Upper Body and Shoulder Protection” which are brand name or equal to “Centurion Soft Shell Riot Control System
(CPX2500),” along with 152 “Thigh-Groin Protector” brand name or equivalent to “Centurion TPX200,” 156 “Forearm Protectors” brand name
or equivalent to “Centurion (FP100),” and 147 units of “Hard Shell Shin Guards” brand name or equivalent to “Centurion (TS70),” 147 carry
bags brand name or equivalent to Exotech (E4), 147 tactical gloves brand name or equivalent to “Damascus (DMZ333),” and 147 riot helmets brand
name or equivalent to “MaxPro (TR1000).”

This considerable procurement is for “the 2012 Democratic and Republican National Conventions, the 2012 Presidential Inauguration and other future
similar activities,” according to the solicitation.

Originally posted by GoldenRuled
Just copied the headline for those wondering on capital letters. Don't know if this is true. The ol lady's son( E9 sgt) I know is having issues with
getting his leave this month. He's long overdue for some time off but couldnt elaborate, other than he couldn't take it as originally planned for
next week.
***I had Jury Duty and the judge asked if anyone could not serve on a 3 week
criminal case please state your reason. A Naval Reserve officer said that he has been on call for a week and that next week all bases are gearing up
for something.
He stressed that twice with the judge that it will happen next week, and ALL Bases are being called and he couldn't serve. The judge asked him how
long will you be on duty and he said for the next three weeks.*** SteveQuayle.com

Originally posted by Nietrick
I live in the flight corridor between Grissom AFB and Chicago, with the 122nd National Guard base nearby, so when there's military movement in the
area, I hear and see it overhead. In the last month or two I've noticed an increase in military flights in the area. In fact, this is the most
movement I've seen/heard since the beginning of the Iraq War and the Surge. While what I've been seeing isn't anywhere near that level, it IS an
uptick. Since it's mostly helicopters and a few jets, I've been wondering if it has to do with the craziness in Chicago because of NATO or if this is
happening all over.

So gather 'round the table fellow ATSers! This is the place to discuss what you're seeing as far as military movements are concerned. Maybe if we
share info, we can get a sense of what's coming and be better prepared. www.abovetopsecret.com...

I also live where Nietrick is and I haven't noticed an uptick. You always hear jets and Helicopters around here. It's neat when they are flying close
to ground, not to neat on the ears though....LOL This area here, is a turn around for Grissom training runs.

DHS Purchases 2,700 Light-Armored Tanks For Service On Streets of the USwww.abovetopsecret.com...
by jtrenthacker
started on 3/4/2013 @ 11:55 AM

The OP:

Originally posted by jtrenthacker
Not sure if this thread should go under this topic. Moderators move it if needed.

I don't normally follow the conspiracies involving the United States turning into a 'police state' but this news story caught my attention. These
light armored tanks are specifically designed to resist mines.

What are these going to be used for? I immediately thought they would be used for border patrol but apparently they are going to be used by Homeland
Security on the streets. Expecting massive riots? Add this to the fact that the DHS has been stockpiling ammo and I'm starting to get a little
curious about what's going to happen. According to one estimate, since last year the Department of Homeland Security has stockpiled more than 1.6
billion bullets, mainly .40 caliber and 9mm. So, am I overreacting? Anybody out there have any other suggestions of what these tanks will be used
for?

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