The wheels are finally moving on the Jamie Weis murder trial after four years of delay in defense funding and a petition for certiorari going all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court.
Judge Tommy Hankinson presided over the Oct. 15 status hearing in which the defense filed three motions. The judge set another hearing for Nov. 30 to discuss any other motions and jury selection.

Talk about calling the kettle black... what do you think that you do almost everytime you make a comment on one of these blogs...Look in the mirror, reflect... then go back and read some of your own comments... Typical hypocrite...

Pleeeezze dont let this get out of hand. Mr Weis will get a fair trail in Pike County. And yes he has gained a lot of weight. That is because he is ill and the doctor prescribed medication. I looked it up and it is Seroquel. The patroitic way is not to let a human just die in a jail cell without medical attention. He is not a dog.

The medication Mr. Weis is on was named along with the monthly cost and posted by JC's assistant on his web site. His highly trained investigative staff don't miss much and you can believe what JC allows to be posted. JC is a highly trained professional.

Seriously! Come on JC, do you think knocking other blogs will increase your number above five followers? Look at the topics here and the creation of newsworthy information. So your assistant is on vacation, man up and do your duty alone.

It is not a vacation these two are on. They are attending a Bloggers Workshop sponsored by provider Sparklit. The 10 day event is over October 30th at noon after presentation of certificates and awards. They represent Pike County as they move us forward.

Maybe people shouldn't be so quick to judge, it's not your place to do so..My question is how would you like it if it was one of your family members and people was talking trash about you? No, i don't agree with what he done but I don't agree with people judging like they are. The family is suffering enough to see all this stuff wrote on these blogs. Let the family rest in peace, I am sorry for what happened but not our place to judge!!!

Patriotic Hell. Catherine King will not be celebrating Christmas with her family, why? Because this piece of feces decided to play God. Now he just plays the system. Just let him go and tell Catherine's loved ones which door he is using as his exit.

You are an evil person Jamie Weis.....I cannot fit all my opinion here...I will write to the Editor.

I have to agree his family didn't commit the crime. They have no control over what he does or did. No one should judge them for his actions.

I'm not on the Jury and I don't know enough about it to judge him. I don't know what evidence they have against him. How ever I think he may be guilty.

If he was innocent, I feel he would be raising Cane over it. He would want the truth out there for all to see. I feel he's just trying to prolong his life. The longer it takes to get convicted the longer he lives. That's if the death penalty applies.

Sounds like Donna and the Pike Patriot are just trying to view this from a Christian standpoint. There are still people out there who do more than just show up at church to feel they are doing the lords work. And as always, nobody is more down with the devil than Sheila Tolley. Hey Sheila, still having an easy time with them 10 Commandments? The Bible says if you can not keep any of the Commandments holy you might as well break them all. In the lords eyes you are on the same level with Weiss. Just because others dont choose too be on that level you shouldnt mock them.

this is tragic for ms.kings family. you ppl have the right to your feelings. i know the weis family and they are good ppl. they havent even been thought of. how would you feel if it was happing to your family.think about that 4 awhile. it could be anyone.

You might not be able to smell him over the bat urine odor coming out of the courthouse. And remember to vote no to the new Judicial complex. We that make the dirty south what it is just love that smell. And will fight to keep breathing it.

It is amazing that he killed Catherine King with ease but failed to commit suicide four times. He is a cold bloodied murderer. A loser, an abuser, a tax debt for Pike County citizens, his defense team at this point should work pro-bono. Since, in Latin, that means "for the public good" that is not really the proper term.

Have you seen The Devil wears Prada? He doesn't....he wears an orange jump suit with a number stamped on back.

I knew that wasn't you, Donna Jo. He will never see a death penalty. The weakness in our District Attorneys never ceases to amaze me. The same is true everywhere. I believe they all spend to much time at Sweeties PLEA market. If Walter will print it as a letter to the editor this week, you will see how I feel about the jerk. I hope he gets to read it. I wish I could interview him....I really do.

Oh dumb one. You need to pick up that Bible you stole from Motel 6, dust it off and read up on the anti-Christ. People will love and follow him...you obviously have not read many blogs that are directed to me.

We know you didnt write that. Thats why it says Donna, not Donna Jo. Sheila does not know anything either and she is ready to have the man executed. It must be in her blood from when her ancestors used to be in the lynch mob. The jury is not a judge. It is up to them to see if Weis committed this crime beyond a reasonable doubt. Just another stupid comment by Sheila to make herself sound like she has a clue. Judge, jury, and executioner? That would be Tolley if you let her be.They call this the Bible Belt? They should call it Satan's Suspenders. He seems to be the only one showing his work in these parts.

But you only know The King James version. I stole the original scripts before they were revised and edited from 3000 years ago. There is actually another whole set of Commandments that only I have read. One says, "If someone kills an elderly lady in order to steal from her, kill him back..with Haste like Texas."

You can come and enjoy reading the real scripts with me. But to save time please first learn to read and comprehend: Hebrew, Aramaic and Koine Greek. There is no need to waste your time on Latin in this case. That was a translation from the original three languages.

I am sure you are right. That is probably why Jamie has tried to commit suicide four times. He is in a hurry to get to Gloryland. Can you sneak a weapon in so that he can expedite his trip? I think it is cruel and unusual punishment that he keeps suffering in his suicide attempts. Don't you? "Let your ppl go."

Im done with my flick. My hands are kinda sticky, or is it the keyboard? Heck its probably both. Im with you lady. Sometimes anyway. Im with you either when you are drinking or not drinking. I cant tell which personality is which. I just love all this Jesus crap you all talk about. When a real life situation is in play there is no use for it. I dont care what scriptures you are going by. I will keep it real simple. What would Jesus do? You can call this Weis guy a true test of your faith.

Do you have any idea how long bat dodo has been an issue? Do you have any idea how many attempts have been made to rectify the situation? Funny that the checks have been cut for the service but the job was never done. Looks like someone made off with some more of the big taxes you pay here in Pike.

Yeah right. That was a totally Religious Murder that Weis committed. Mrs. King was just a religious sacrifice, is that right? The mighty 12 will JUDGE by the facts presented as to his guilt or innocence. If he is found guilty he eats a few more years off our tax money and WALKS just like Edgar Fry and the other murdering jerks.

Wrong again, Sweetheart.......my ancestors never wore white pointy hats or lynched anyone. When my Uncle decided murder was necessary, he killed the man accused of molesting his two girls then called the Sheriff to report himself and told them where to come to pick him up.

You are one of those Bible thumping, verse picking hypocrites. Quit reading my blogs. You cause me to have troubled thoughts in my sweet mind and heart. My Jesus does not like for you to be mean to me. He's gonna get you for that.

When you get back from church, read this? Perhaps you will find real redemption today. Just remember there are 31,173 verses in the Holy Bible. Jesus don't like pickers and choosers.

Are there still a lot of little stones in your back yard? It should be clean with the amount you have thrown. God will get you for that. Now say your blessing, repent and enjoy a nice Christian Dinner with the family.

It is in the shop being painted right now. Have you missed me? My "Jesus Rocks" has almost worn off it from sprinkling "Spititual Dust" in Happy Valley. There is someone named Donna (I love the Lord but not enough to show people my last name) that must be eating my dust. It is magical dust. It is sucked in at locations of hypocrisy. I am always out of dust and can never make it to the Old Sandefur place.

I love you Betty Sandefur and I miss you as my neighbor. I hope you have a wonderful Christmas.

Move that dunce cap to the middle of your head, it is affecting your logic. I know that is true if you think I put my faith in judges at the courthouse for real life situations. Do you have a copy of the tape that got lost with the ex-judge starring in it? The title is "Da Judge in Da Culdesac. I heard it is HOT. But they may have meant STOLEN.

Quit playing with The Holy Bible, Donna. Jesus gave us a brain to guide us in decisions. The Bible as you read it today has been edited, revised and rewritten so much, to please each King and Priest, that Jesus probably does not recognize all of it.

This is my favorite verse. It probably made it through all the editing and remained pretty stable.

John 3:16 (King James Version)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Your Jesus and your Bible seem to be one of a kind. I am like you because I dont follow Christianity teachings or can even apply its beliefs to the real world either. Just as you are unable to apply it to this Weis case. So I am not the hypocrite. But you bringing up Jesus all the time makes you the hypocrite. The way your mind works you probably campaigned for Obama and voted for McCain. Just like you campaign for Jesus and vote for Satan.

Spoken like a true ambassador of Christ. If you keep thinking like that you will probably be one of the few people the Bible states that will make it to heaven. Religion is not the time to join a denomination the the majority does. For the bible states that heaven is a gift for the minority. As it is written anyway.

Jurors do not judge. They listen to testimony, review evidence and decide if the person is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. You like so many self proclaimed Christians like to take verses out the Bible and stretch them to fit your life or way of thinking. But it is not uncommon for people to do this. If you look back at all the people trying to fight the simple fact of Saturday being a day of rest you will see what I mean. Pretty much if it doesnt work with their lifestyles they will just go at it like a hypocrite and go all out to uphold their ignorance. In bible school they call it building an upside down pyramid. Start out with something small and try to build it bigger as you go. And the only motivator for one Being on the jury is not about if you like the defendant or not. It is about the evidence. You are not judging anyone. The actual judge is not even judging anyone but making sure the defendant get a fair trial. And none of his rights are violated. When a juror sees a man drive up to a bank on a surveillance tape. Gets out of a car with a tag on it registered to him. Walks in a bank showing his face. Robs it. Leaves with the money. Drives away. Gets recognized. The money is recovered at his house. And here he is in front of a jury. Thats a pretty good scenario what a jury is presented with. Now judgment has nothing to do with it if you do your job as a juror. You have been provided with the facts. Is he guilty or not.

Dang Virg.....I could listen to about 25mins of the case and determine his faith. Then if law allowed I could put a bullet into his head. Things were so simple years ago. Pansie as$ judges, defense lawyers and civil rights groups have choked the system to the point the system is a "JOKE". You know it and I know it, the difference is I don't make a livivng off the system.

Yeah, I sort of lost hope after Oral Roberts asked for a million dollar contribution to come down from his tower, Jimmy Swaggert paid a hooker $20 to sleep with him and pose as the Crucifixion naked on a monument in a graveyard as he took her picture. Then along came Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker. For years Jim Bakker's Praise The Lord (PTL) ministry had been the most successful television program of its type. Following the exposure in 1987 of an affair with assistant Jessica Hahn, his financial empire began to crumble. An investigation into the workings of PTL led to 24 indictments charging that Bakker had defrauded the public of millions. Between 1984 and 1987, PTL supporters paid $158 million to Jim and Tammy Faye. That is in a mere three years, folks. Then a local Preacher, many years ago, stole medicine from my very sick brother-in-law. How could I lose faith?

This does not mean that all preachers of the Gospel are bad. If you think that people do not go to church, try The Church of the Nazarene on Oliver Road (I love that church)or the one on Vega Road, my nephew sings there. He has an absolutely beautiful, God given, voice. Go early so you can get a seat at either of these churches. Or get on board with the ones I mentioned earlier. They will need to hire a lot of people to help them shove their stolen millions through that eye of the needle.

One more thing, Once was Lost. It sounds as if you may still be lost. If you cannot take the heat...don't follow that road to Hell.

I am quite sick of you people jumping me, Donna included, about the Bible. I love God and believe that there were original Holy and Sacred Scripts written by prophets. But I do not believe that they made it through 1500 years of editing followed by 1500 years of translations, all done by men, tossing out and adding in, in order to come to an acceptable version for King James to approve, that The Holy Scripts were not RAPED of some of their integrity. Look at today's politics and tell me that you are gullible enough to believe the "Ghost of Scriptures Past."

The 66 books of the Bible were written, on three continents, in three languages by about 40 different people (kings, shepherds, scientists, ATTORNEYS, an army general, fishermen, PRIESTS, and a physician),over a period of about 1,500 years, on the most controversial subjects, by people who, in most cases, had never met, by authors whose education and background varied greatly.
(I capitalized Attorneys (because we all want the most crooked one we can find when we need them) and Priests(because even TODAY, the PRIESTS will not agree to a zero tolerance to molesting young boys.)

Now all you hypocrites hear this, I do not need your approval to get to Heaven. God's opinion will be very sufficient. All you people who Judge me or my blogs and then toss in "I should not Judge because of that one verse that you remember" need to work on getting your heart right with the Lord. It will be sad if YOU do not make it to Heaven...so that we can continue our little conversation.........then the one and only real God can be the JUDGE.

A TRUE CHRISTIAN NEVER HAS THE NEED TO TELL ME THAT THEY ARE CHRISTIANS. I PREFER TO LOOK AT THE LIFE THEY HAVE LED OVER MANY YEARS. OF THOSE WHO HAVE PASSED, OZARLEAN BARRON, JEWEL REEVES AND MISS RUBY KILLINGSWORTH ARE MY TOP THREE LADIES.

Now HYPOCRITES, maybe you can win me over......go and gather 40 men (from the occupations shown above) and ask them to tell you what they would like on their pizza. If the lists are all the same...YOU WIN!

1. To form an opinion or estimation of after careful consideration: judge heights; judging character.
2.
a. Law To hear and decide on in a court of law; try: judge a case.
b. Obsolete To pass sentence on; condemn.
c. To act as one appointed to decide the winners of: judge an essay contest.
3. To determine or declare after consideration or deliberation.
4. Informal To have as an opinion or assumption; suppose: I judge you're right.
5. Bible To govern; rule. Used of an ancient Israelite leader.
v.intr.
1. To form an opinion or evaluation.
2. To act or decide as a judge.
n.
1. One who judges, especially:
a. One who makes estimates as to worth, quality, or fitness: a good judge of used cars; a poor judge of character.
b. Abbr. J. Law A public official who hears and decides cases brought before a court of law.
c. Law A bankruptcy referee.
d. One appointed to decide the winners of a contest or competition.
2. Bible
a. A leader of the Israelites during a period of about 400 years between the death of Joshua and the accession of Saul.
b. Judges (used with a sing. verb) Abbr. Judg. or Jgs or Jg See Table at Bible.
[Middle English jugen, from Anglo-Norman juger, from Latin idicre, from idex, idic-, judge; see deik- in Indo-European roots.]
Synonyms: judge, arbitrator, arbiter, referee, umpire
These nouns denote persons who make decisions that determine or settle points at issue. A judge is one capable of making rational, dispassionate, and wise decisions: In this case, the jury members are the judges of the truth.

My first name is Victor. See, there you goes your schizophrenia kicking in again. Thinking you know things that are not true. Thats why I would not post my name on the internet. With folk like you acting as judge, jury, and executioner it would be hard for me to sleep at night. Everyone is guilty to you. Its that old Georgia lynch mob blood in you from your ancestors. So dont take it personally. Maybe if you go visit Weis he will let you get some of his Seroquel. That way both of you will doing something about your mental illness. Just dont make him mad. I would hate to see him add another old lady to his resume.

P.S. I have just judged my yard to be full of leaves and I need to go rake them.

The evidence on Weiss is survellence video of him leaving her car in the Walmart parking lot. Her car keys were in his pocket when they arrested him as well as her credit cards. He did this all because of a ring that belonged to his girlfriend!!

Again I am NOT Virgil and I do not live in a mansion in Concord due to the legal profits of crack. My name is Victor and I live under a bridge because of the effects of crack. I have to go now as the library is about to close.

Do these churches you mention worship on the Sabbath and keep the Sabbath holy from sundown Friday to Sundown Saturday? Or are they your typical free for all, self proclaimed Christian churches. For a Christian church that does not obey the Ten Commandments is about as useful as a spare tire that does not hold air.

Oh my goodness. I just got off the phone with my buddy at Chronic. He told me he is going to resign after I had him read your blog. At first he told me you are the typical southern Baptist that will put there nose to the grind stone to take things out of context to make their lives easier, while ignoring the most simple teachings that would make their lives harder (sound familiar anybody?). But then he got on that bandwagon of fools that worship Jesus because he MIGHT be real. So being a good judge of used cars he doesnt want to take any chances either and quit his job. Your wisdom is always so useful. I am sure Jesus did not want that man being a judge of used cars. You have no idea the negative effect it was having on him and others. Funny to me that all the folks talking that Jesus crap dont have a slightest clue what his mission was.

i would like to know who you are. sounds like u know quiet a bit about Jamie. we can call him that;that is his name. Weis the correct spelling is his last name. anywho i was a girlfriend of Jamie too ofcourse that was in wv.

i would like to let all u ppl judging him that the 11yrs i dated him that this man was never mean violent n any way.YES this is tragic the whole case.i will b honest here name and all.this wasnt Jamie not the true Jamie it was a drugged induced man.

Jamie was on drugs and if u know anyone that is or was on them u know they are not themselves.he isnt who hes being made out to be.u ppl need to look n the mirror b4 u judge someone u dont know.he is human and knows he done wrong.it could b ur friend 1day

>People need to learn the verse in the bible..Judge not lest ye be judged

That verse has nothing to do with our civil duty to serve on juries (both civil and criminal).

>and let he who is free of sin cast the first stone.

Again, nothing to do with our civil and criminal justice system. The Lord Jesus Christ was addressing the religious and legalistic members of their Sanhedrin about their evil and distorted views of the law.

> The last time I checked murder is murder. Should he be given the death penalty, is the executioner to join him when he passes?

The right of the state to exercise capital punishment has nothing to do with murder--laws and punishment are for the protection of society. And by the way: self-defense and/or killing your enemies in times of combat.

And before you even start...

Please see how The Lord Jesus Christ will bring peace when He returns...here's a hint: it won't be with soft words.

You said it yourself fool. Jurors are judges of the truth. You sin repeatedly because you are a judge of the PERSON. Any one that understands what Jesus was about knows the difference. You clearly do not. Try a Seventh-Day Adventist Church if you are not working this coming Sabbath. They really are the most knowledgeable when it come to Christianity. Also, Saturday is no time for Christmas shopping either. Although that is one of a hypocrites greatest acts this time of year. "Happy birthday Jesus! I just got back from Christmas shopping on the Sabbath". "I know I am not supposed to work or cause others to work on this day. But thats why they say you are the reason for the season!" Stand outside Walmart from sundown Friday night to sundown Saturday night and take a toll on how many people actually think they are true to the Christian faith. Again it makes sense why the Bible states that few will make it to heaven. Just because all them fools that just bought little Johnnie a bike on the Sabbath think they are pleasing God. Even though HE was the one who commanded his children not to desecrate his day of rest. Just because you realize you are all sinners doesnt mean you shouldnt try to control yourselves. You all piss all over the most simple teachings without a care.

Interesting. But when God said not to judge there are people (really one person) stupid enough to think he meant not to judge evidence. Or used cars. Although he clearly meant people. But Christians will stretch anything try to make themselves look good. I know a guy who will do or say anything to uphold his Wednesday "Sabbath". Christians have the the highest amount of clueless followers than any other religion. Muslim extremists come in second place. But the extremists are truly clueless which means they will actually make it to heaven. These Christians who know right from wrong and still choose to do wrong are a different story. They think their "We are all sinners" crap is a license to kill amongst other sins. An extremist sacrifices his own life to God. A Christian just takes for his/her own gain and satisfaction. Even refuses to do his/her best to uphold ten of his commandments. Making it also the most selfish religion to date.

Hooray Sheila! People using $Christianity$ as a cover to molest children and capitalize from the lost followers income. Hush up. This is Americas best kept secret. Every ones paycheck is welcome. They have even cleared the way for homosexuals, thanks to the smart thinking of the CFO of the $Christian$ church. With Atlanta (The so called Bible belt) being the nations hub for homosexuals it was a excellent financial move.

your guilty of #4 lady. i also believe that would be the one the scriptures warn people about. you amuse me we your interpretations. the first published book in the world and people still do not get it. can you at least believe god is not worried about people judging cars as they did not exist when the scriptures were written? do you really think these are all the things god forbids us from doing? if so you need to recommend some more churches to attend in your blogs. this way i know the ones to avoid as they obviously have you delusional.

You do not apply them to your way of thinking. Like the rest of the self proclaimed Christians you recite Bible verses out your mouth and Satans work with your actions. Read your own blogs. If that is christian teachings I remember why I avoid their churches! But your right. If I asked a bunch of people they would tell me that you and Jimmy Swaggert are Christians. You two are just a different kind , that of the self proclaimed.

I think the same can be safely said for any group of people (or person) who tries to justify their bad behavior. Christians do not have a monopoly on this sort of thing. However, Christians are the ones usually attacked about it...

This is because the devil always wants to make a mockery of grace and to get people off the message and onto the man (and his failures). However, it is NEVER the man...unless that man is the person of our Lord and Savior: Jesus Christ. He is the only man that matters...everything else and everyone else is just a distraction (when your eyes are on them).

>Christians have the the highest amount of clueless followers than any other religion.

Biblical Christianity is NOT a religion. Religion is man trying to gain the approbation of God through works and deeds. Religion is always about man. Biblical Christianity is always about God and His grace. It is about God coming to us, not us getting to Him.

But are they generally confused? Yes, they often are. God's grace has been perverted into religion and legalism. Man always tries to add something to God's perfect plan and system. False doctrine is blasted from the pulpits. Is it any wonder that so many are confused and misguided. Does that make it right? No! But again: It is about the Lord Jesus Christ and not what other people do.

>Muslim extremists come in second place. But the extremists are truly clueless which means they will actually make it to heaven.

Being "clueless" doesn't get you to heaven. Believing in the Lord Jesus Christ--that He was our substitute and His death provided our atonement is what gets a person into heaven.

>These Christians who know right from wrong and still choose to do wrong are a different story.

Be not deceived, God is not mocked. We get away with nothing. The Superior Court of Heaven is always in session and as we sow...we will also reap. And don't think that prosperity can't be a punishment. It can be amount the worst when you have no capacity and appreciation for it.

>They think their "We are all sinners" crap is a license to kill amongst other sins.

1 John 1:9 is never a license to sin, but rather: a license to serve. We all fall short of the glory of God. We all sin. We all are tempted with our areas of weakness, but God's grace is bigger than ANY of our failures.

Do some Christians abuse this? You bet they do. It does happen. But God is still not mocked. Again: it does not matter what others do and how they try to circumvent the spiritual life. God will handle them.

>An extremist sacrifices his own life to God. A Christian just takes for his/her own gain and satisfaction

Again, that can be said about any group of people--not just Christians. But remember: people make themselves their own god when they claim themselves as the highest authority. This is a problem in the soul...not with Biblical Christianity.

>Even refuses to do his/her best to uphold ten of his commandments. Making it also the most selfish religion to date.

On the contrary the Lord Jesus Christ performed the most unselfish act in history: He laid down his life for the people whom He loved--all of humanity--to provide their salvation.

If you focus on what other people do (or don't do), you will always be let down, disappointed, bitter and even angry. And worse: you will be compromised and distracted to the invisible angelic conflict that wages around us all.

When you focus on people your life becomes a casualty--you completely miss the boat. Grow in GRACE and the KNOWLEDGE of our Lord and Savior...that is our mandate and that is our purpose.

Thank you for your support. What is so hard to understand about what you just said. I guess you do not have to take it out of context for any selfish reason. That is why Christianity is such a mess today. People twist the heck out of it to uphold their ignorance and bigotry. It is people like Sheila Tolley that mock Jesus and his teachings. Keep the word alive and powerful because people who are pissing all over it are causing it to be weak to the ears of many.

Only someone that has experienced life in many walks would know what you are talking about. So many people are ignorant to the tragic outcomes that the drugs America keeps supplying its citizens causes. Weis is the product of a society that we accept for what it is. And people as God to bless this mess.

When I look in my mirror I do not see a murdering, four year tax tick, hunting even more ways to use the system. Obviously, I am different from 98% of the people in blogland.
I sympathize with victims, not murderers. Yep, it could be my friend one day, Michelle. Your mother could be in a grave like Mrs. King one day, would you respect the Jamie Weis's of the world then?

Who shot him up against his will? Who force shotgunned him with marijuana? Who shoved pills down his throat? Who cracked him up or put him on ice?

I guess Catherine King just should not have been home that night, huh?

When he gets his tiny sentence and he will in a few years, our justice system will be sure of that, I hope Mrs. King's family pops him with a wrongful death suit that makes the Goldman's suit on OJ look like a heating bill in August.

Plus anyone can put on the Christian front until they are put to the test. Read this lady's blogs when she is fired up. She will break at least two commandments in a heartbeat. This Weis guy really should have made her realize she is not fit to be a Christian.

What kind of drugs did he do? This crime has meth written all over it. If anyone wants to try some you can go to buckhead and buy some off the streets. Its all over the place. Its all around but up there it has been accepted like the homosexuality. See if you want people to judge you while you have a good bit of it in your system. Dont be scared of it. Its all over the place. Cant be all that bad if nobody really seems to do anything about it. I guess the CIA, FBI, GBI, and all the rest of them that are supposed to protect our citizens are still out looking for Bin Laden. When they get back I will show them how to spot dope dealers and buy drugs. Once I get them educated I see no reason why they cant rid the country of drugs. Oh I forgot. They are looking for the big money jackpot. They want to swarm in on the big kingpin and take all the riches he has acquired. They are in the business to make money also. You have to understand that most street level dealers will cost the system money. Not only will it cost to prosecute them, it will also cost to appoint them a public defender. Yes everything comes down to money in America. If America could figure out how to make money off protecting its citizens from people like Weis that lady would be alive today. This is another story about cause and effect. And how us citizens are just pawns in Americas big game. This poor old lady Weis killed. She was just another casualty of Americas fake drug war. So she might as well be considered a hero also like all the fallen soldiers fighting the fake war on terrorism.

well sheila;i dont recall saying i agree with what jamie done.I said i know he wasnt himself when he done it.I have thought about what if it was my mom or family.i dont thank death solves anything.the victim will still b missed.

i thank ppl pay more by living with the mistakes they make in life.i also agree that noone forced him to do drugs.i know they make you do what you wouldnt normally do.i also believe in 2nd chances.ive seen ppl get on the right path;it can happen even 4you

now u asked me so let me ask u. would you still feel as u do if it was ur son or nephew who commited this crime. yeah yeah u might say u would but i seriously doubt it.you would want them dead no i thought not.hes not a sreial killer.he just f'd up.badly.

Mayhem, I'm not sure who you are, but I'm not here to support you, your opinions, or to advance your point of view. I posted on this thread to offer what is known as "Apologetics" for Biblical Christianity and to attempt to demonstrate the grace that I have been blessed with. To let others know that God loves them...despite their failures.

I don't care who they are (or what they've done) the Lord Jesus Christ was sent here for their sins just as much as he was the pillar of 'good' society.

I am not on your side and I'm not here to prop you (or anyone else..) up. I am not being rude, but I am making it very clear: I'm not looking for an online "mutual admiration society" or trying to create an online cabal here at the Pike County Paper. Just here to insert a little Divine Viewpoint into a conversation that is inundated with emotionalism, personal attacks and human viewpoint.

>It is people like Sheila Tolley that mock Jesus and his teachings.

I don't know Sheila Tolley and I'm not exactly sure what she thinks--to be honest: I don't really care. I do know this: regardless of what she does or doesn't do: it isn't my job to call her out and straighten her out. I'm pretty confident that God can do His job without my help. I have a spiritual life to live and it is my own. I don't have enough hours in the day to try and live the lives of others.

>Keep the word alive and powerful because people who are pissing all over it are causing it to be weak to the ears of many.

God's word is NEVER weak and it ALWAYS does as He planned for it to do. The only thing "weak" is people and their volition. And when enough people in a country have negative volition then bad things start to happen (have a look around...): The 5 Cycles of Discipline. And just think: we're only in the 2nd or 3rd stage. But...

"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land."

>Jamie was on drugs and if u know anyone that is or was on them u know they are not themselves.

The truly sad thing about drugs isn't that people use them to escape from reality--yes, that is bad enough, but they steal your volition from you soul. The more you use them...the less choices you make from your rational mind and the more you become like an animal.

Please note: this is not justification for bad decisions and/or criminal behavior--the "user" still made a decision to do drugs. Whether they truly understood the consequences of their decision is irrelevant--they did it. I'm merely pointing out that the more you use...the more of your volition you give away.

>he isnt who hes being made out to be.

Michelle, surely you can see that he made a a bad decision--a decision that not only has consequences, but criminal and legal repercussions. And like it or not: people will remember him for that decision.

That can't be changed.

I'm pretty sure that most of us have a few things that we'd like to have back if we could (I know that I do!). Things that people will not let go of and always throw up in our faces. That's just people.

And people's opinions don't (ultimately) matter.

What matters is God and His grace. The Lord Jesus Christ died for this person, for you, for me and for everybody. He died for ALL of our sins. Now, legalists will try to beat you with the fact that some people are just too bad/evil for God.

What arrogance!

Nothing we do is greater than what God has done for us through the saving work of Jesus Christ on the Cross.

"God [The Father] made Him [ The Lord Jesus Christ] who had no sin to be sin for us [to be our substitute], so that in Him [The Lord Jesus Christ] we might become the righteousness of God. "

"Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved."

"You are saved by grace, not by works, lest any man should attempt to brag about it."

That is your hope. That is your encouragement. That is what you concentrate on--not people.

But please understand: Forgiveness of sin doesn't mean that there isn't a penalty for our actions. If a crime has been committed then punishment must be served. But be of good cheer, God causes ALL things to work together for the good for those who love the Lord. Not some of them. Not a select few. ALL things.

Trying to prevent people from judging others would be like trying to hold back the waves from crashing on the shore. You can't do it. Tongues are going to wag. Fingers are going to point. Stones will be thrown...

It is pointless to try and stop it. People always want to look at the wrongs, failures and crimes of other people. It is always easier to focus on others than it is to take a good and long hard look at ourselves--it's painful (at least if we're honest about what we see).

But you can have the "peace that passes all human comprehension (a relaxed mental attitude) knowing that God knows all and He sees all: He will sort it all out.And no matter what we've done: Nothing can snatch us from his Righteous right hand.

Do you people ever read entire sections of the Holy Bible? Verse picking hypocrites are sneakier than obama. When I interpret this very few verses here is what it tells me. I should not judge people unless I am worthy to judge that person. In order to do that I cannot be guilty of the same crime. So far, I am not a murderer and Jamie Weis is. I wish the death sentence on him, but that will not happen because it cost Pike too much money. He has already sucked the county dry.

Judging Others
Lk. 6.3738, 4142
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
6 ¶ Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Now, Be Gone evil hypocrites. My Jesus does not like hypocrites. Take that elephant out of your eye before responding. And if you would not make that same comment in front of Jesus, keep it to yourself.

Thats because when you look in the mirror all you see is you. I see a face with eyes that see beyond myself. I have known some good people who have done some terrible things. And they were fueled by illegal narcotics. It is real easy to be a Christian when you go to your snobby churches and hang around your own kind. But This Weis character was the kind that Jesus was trying to get you to love. 98% of Christians can act the part as long as you do not interfere with their perfect bubble. But as soon as the bubble gets broken, and a test of faith is presented, they fall like the twin towers.

Of coarse God will forgive Jamie Weis if he should ask, and Braley if he did ask and the cold bloodied murderer who killed Donna Johnson, if they should ask................BUT in the meantime two young ladies were snatched away from life and loved ones in their youth and Mrs. King did not choose to die even though elderly, in such a manner....that is my guess.

But Jesus said, "forgive them Father, for they know not what they do" as they crucified him? Right.

Are you equal to Jesus? I am not. Do you have Jesus' power of forgiveness, I do not.

So therefore, I hope the two remaining (or more) who have brutally murdered people receive equally brutal sentences.

I hate not one person in this whole world. I have feelings that fall within four categories. Respect, Disrespect, Love and Like.

My Respect and Love list are real short ....comparatively speaking.

Merry Christmas to all as we celebrate the conception of our Lord, Jesus Christ.

NEWS FLASH. There are mentally ill people walking around who are known to make a bad decision every now and then. With all the illegal drugs society keeps readily available to its citizens it creates a time bomb just waiting to explode. Its like putting a blind person on a tight rope. It is just a matter of time. You put the same ingredients in a bowl over and over you will come out with the same end result. I have known someone that has committed almost the same crime under the influence of drugs. He was an 18 year old boy. I say boy because he had the mental capacity of an 8 year old. He is presently doing 40 to life. 33% weis. 33% narcotics. 33% the person who sold him the dope. America doesnt seem to care about the dope dealers that play a part in fueling these crimes. I guess they need their help to keep the prisons full.

If woodblock printing, which requires laboriously hand carving a wood block for every page of the book, is considered a contender, then the Diamond Sutra is the oldest surviving example of a printed book. A copy in the British Library dates to 868 CE. There's a catch, however: other block printed books are probably older, but are undated, making the Diamond Sutra the first printed book with a verifiable date, not the oldest printed book and most certainly not the first.

Way down in numbers, number 2 goes to "Quotations from Chairman Mao Tse-Tung" with 900 million sold copies.

In spot number 10, with 30 million sold, you will find "Valley of the Dolls" by Jacqueline Suzanne. I have that book and it is good (but it doesn't touch The Bible). I enjoyed the movie made from this book many, many years ago with Patsy and Richard Jones. (Hello, you two, I hope you have a merry Christmas)

If I recall correctly, Sharon Tate played in the movie. She was later killed by Charles Manson's gang, she was over 8 months pregnant and her baby was cut from her womb. Mean people have always been around. They are just so readily accepted these days. So sad.

uh-oh. another one applying the living by grace defense. once they play that card you might as well give up. as no wrong can not be tossed upon jesus's back in their eyes. he can fix all mans wrongs. as man still does not think jesus has toted enough. make room for daddy! but it is a good thing you count on him to save you. because you would have too make big changes in your lifestyle otherwise without your scapegoat getting you a free ticket to heaven.

Biblical Christianity is upheld by the Seventh-Day Adventists. All other forms of Christianity have chosen to put a more selfish approach on it. Like you put it, Biblical Christianity is about God (go figure!). And your self-proclaimed selfish religion is about man. Funny that man made it easier than what the Bible intended it to be. But that is human nature. Isnt it? Where would all these homosexuals go to worship if they did not have man to piss on Biblical Christianity. They do not mind taking things out the Bible that uphold their own beliefs. But if its something they do not support the Bible becomes a doorstop again. Biblical Christianity, living by grace, we are all sinners. Is there anymore excuses out there I have not heard yet to mock what is written in the Bible.

Yeah being he is a non-biblical Christian he is going to have to write his own book. Us Biblical Christians use the Bible. You can wait on his to come out Sheila. I am sure it will have a whole lot less commandments in it. Now do not stay up all night wondering which ones he feels are not important.

Hell no, I would not want my son found guilty. I would lie, cheat and steal to keep my son from being caught. I would go to jail in his place if possible. I would sell everything I own to get the best and most crooked lawyer I could find, for my son. My nephew? It depends on which one is being tried.

But it ain't my son in this case. It is Jamie Weis. The murderer of an elderly next door neighbor, because she was home.

Loving thy neighbor? What are you smoking? He killed his neighbor. I am not strong like Jesus. You obviously think you are. Would you walk in Jesus' sandals and then ask God to forgive the people who are crucifying you? I personally would be fighting like a rabid outhouse rat. What would you do, tough guy?

I have a relative, very near and dear to my heart, who can translate complex reading into simple texts. If he wrote a book...YOU would buy it. I would have him write it in an even simpler version for you. Like the assorted "Books For Dummies."

Now I know your lost. Alcohol is the worse drug out there. It causes more harm than all other illegal drugs combined. But if you are still getting high and think that other drugs will not do the same, hit me up, I got something for you.

P.S. And when Jesus decided to turn water into the most crippling drug known to man kind his drinking buddies will confess to seeing him doing stuff from healing blind folk to walking on water!

I share your same opinion. I like you because you uphold my religion also that uses the Bible for a doorstop.

> You have a wonderful gift of expression and the ability to make complexities easy to understand.

I was having such a hard time explaining to people that even though Jesus said if you love him to keep the Ten Commandments holy, that it is not important to being a Christian. Loving Jesus would then cramp my selfish lifestyle and I can not have that. You make desecrating the Ten Commandments sound like no big deal. Non-Biblical Christianity will not only be easier for me to uphold it will be much easier for me to understand.

> You should write a book

It sounds like you can write a book that will not cause me to sacrifice anything. I would make this book my new Bible. This way I will not have to be a self-proclaimed Christian. I can be a Non-Biblical one.

>Good Blog

This blog actually upholds mine and every other hypocrites view toward having to uphold the Ten Commandments and everything else Jesus was trying to accomplish. I am just dying to hear more.

Biblical Christianity is upheld by the Seventh-Day Adventists.All other forms of Christianity have chosen to put a more selfish approach on it.

While there certainly isn't anything wrong with a strong fundamental approach to scripture...I don't recall the Lord Jesus Christ telling me which day I am mandated to attend church.

And don't even try to talk to me about the Sabbath...

If you don't understand the concept of "dispensations" then there really isn't any point. We are not Israel. We are not spiritual Israel. We are the Church. And here in America...our laws are the Constitution of the United States all the way down to our local ordinances...not the Mosaic law.

Sure, we incorporate many of the same aspects of the Mosaic Law because God is the author of Divine Establishment principals: Protection of your person and family, property and privacy, but we are not under the Mosiac Law.

Incidentally, the Mosaic Law was the GREATEST gospel message (apart from the first advent of Christ) that God has ever given. It was meant to prove that man isn't good enough to live up to God's standards. It was meant to demonstrate that we fall short. That we can't do it on our own. That we are guilty. It was meant to show our need for a savior and not to show how righteous and holy we are for (trying to) keep it.

We can't keep it all--it is impossible. And if we've broken one part--JUST ONE LITTLE TINY PART--then we've broken it all.

Making issues out of non-issues distracts people from what is really important: Faith Alone in Christ Alone. Then to grow in grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior.

>And your self-proclaimed selfish religion is about man.

ALL religion is about man.

> Funny that man made it easier than what the Bible intended it to be.

Hardly. Faith Alone in Christ alone is the easiest thing in the world. Man has distorted God's word into a bunch "Do's" and "Dont's" and works and deeds. Man makes nothing about God easier. Being "moral" is not the Christian way of life. However, morality will be a byproduct of living the spiritual life.

>But that is human nature. Isnt it?

Actually, the human nature is just sinful and rebels against God.

>Where would all these homosexuals go to worship if they did not have man to piss on Biblical Christianity.

I believe we probably have a very different idea about what "worship" really is. Worship is way more than: singing, clapping, holding your hands up in the air and swaying like your in some kind of trance. Worship is taking God's word in (gnosis) and transferring it by faith into your soul (epignosis) and applying it to your life. That is the ultimate form of worship. Not too much worship going on in America these days...

If homosexuals (And for that matter: people who have a trend towards legalism or antinomianism--the word of God doesn't discriminate...) go to "worship" and actually get a little gnosis that turns into epignosis...there just might be some change in their lives. God's word tends to do that to people. Of course that change in mental attitude is always predicated upon: positive volition to the word being taught.

But we don't have a whole lot of that either...

> They do not mind taking things out the Bible that uphold their own beliefs. But if its something they do not support the Bible becomes a doorstop again

All religions that claim to be "Christianity" do this--Not just homosexuals. And it isn't just major religions, denominations and sects: I know plenty of sweet little old ladies (who aren't gay by the way) who love to proof text God's word in order to beat you over the head with scripture. They do this to make you conform to their idea of what being righteous and holy is. They project their piety so that others can marvel and how wonderful and spiritual they are.

These same sweet and good people will gossip, malign and judge others...and do it under the guise of "we're going to pray for them." And they turn other people away from the gospel. And that is the true tragedy. Not some mixed up person who is confused about their sexuality.

It is easy to condemn the homosexual, because their sins are so overt and in your face, but the mental attitude sins and the sins of the tongue are the ones that are so damaging and destructive. And they come from all places. Even the good side of town...

"Renewing your mind" comes from God's word. That is what we all need (including the homosexual) and not attacks and resentment. Persecuting people doesn't bring about change..only bitterness and resentment.

Change comes from hearing the word of God.

Readers:

Grace is always attacked because it is what God did (and continues to do) for us. We don't deserve it. We don't earn it. We will never be good enough for it. But God gives it. You mention grace to a religious and legalistic person and you can watch their face contort, turn all shades of red and look like they have bad heart burn. They want nothing to do with that. The question is: Why?

The answer is simple: That means that they don't have anything to do with what God has done for us. And they can't comprehend that....they're just "so good that it hurts" and surely God knows it--He must! And they want you to know it too. That's why they're always telling you how to live your life...

What arrogance. To think that we have something to offer God. That God needs us. That we're God's right hand (wo)man. That God depends on us to get around and get things done.

The truth is: none of us are good enough. We all fall short of the glory of God. None are righteous...no not even one. Our righteousness is like a filthy rag ("filthy" is a euphemism: you should hear what it actually says in the Hebrew...)

And yet...

God and His grace still found a way. He sent the Lord Jesus Christ to be our substitute and pay the penalty for sin. Our sins were poured out on Him and judged. All you have to do is say in the quietness of your soul: "Father I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. I believe that He died for me. And I am trusting by faith that You will honor your word."

You don't have to walk the aisle. You don't have to go kneel at the front of the church. You don't have to shake the preachers hand. You don't have start telling people all the horrible things that you've done and how you won't ever do them again. You don't have to give money to the church. You don't have to give money to the building fund. You don't have to buy the DVD's and MP3's that they're selling. You don't have to go out and stand on the street corner with a sign. You don't have to go out and try and round people up for Jesus. You don't have to burn all your books, dvds and CD's.

You don't have to do anything. Anything that you do gets in they of God's grace. It isn't about what we do...it is all about what God does for us.

Those things are all works and they have nothing to do with salvation. Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved. Then pray and ask God to send you to a qualified pastor who studies and teaches what the word of God actually says--one who isn't just trying to build an empire here on earth and preying (not praying) that you keep coming back.

>Yeah being he is a non-biblical Christian he is going to have to write his own book. Us Biblical Christians use the Bible. You can wait on his to come out Sheila. I am sure it will have a whole lot less commandments in it. Now do not stay up all night wondering which ones he feels are not important.

Readers:

This is nothing but an ad hominem statement that is designed to bait an emotional reaction from the parties it is referencing (myself and another writer on this post). When truth can't be refuted...people attempt to make it personal by attacking the character of the person doing the communicating with sarcasm and snarkiness. However in this care, the writer used an implied accusation--the writer doesn't actually come out and say what is really on his/her mind...it's just implied).

And that is fine.

I don't mind being attacked because I have a problem solving devices for situations like these. In fact all Christians have numerous problem solving devices for these little situations. It's a pity they aren't being taught from the majority of the pulpits in America.

How do you deal with people testing?

1. You apply God's promises to the situation. Example: "Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake." and "Vengeance is mine. I will repay."

2. This allows you to take your focus off the attacker and direct your attention toward God and His infallible word.

3. You know that God can't tell a lie. So, we know that we will be blessed for enduring persecution. And we know that we don't have to retaliate because the Supreme Court of Heaven is in session and God will handle it.

4. Therefore, we don't have to get all bent out of shape about the attacker and what they said (or did). We are able to apply impersonal love (you can't love everyone personally) to the attacker and go about our business. Impersonal love doesn't put value on the object (the person attacking), but it puts value on the Character of God and allows you to overlook the faults of others and to forgive them--Just ash God has forgiven us.

I am able to overlook these sort of attacks because I know how horrible of a person I am and how greatly I fall short from God's perfect standards.

Furthermore, I know that any attacks and suffering are but for a minute in this life and they are NOTHING compared to eternity. I want to live my life in the light of eternity. Again, you take your eyes off man and direct them to God.

Reminds me of a cute joke. Two carpenters were going to San Jose, California for temporary work. They stopped at a little country store to get snacks, the store owner asked, "Where are you guys headed?" One answered San Jose (pronouncing the j) The store owner said, "I should let you know that people here pronounce their J as if it were a H) Then he asked,
"When are you planning on returning home?" One of the men replied, "Probably Hune or Huly."

I think you should do a little more research before you run your mouth on Virgil, He is a ---- good lawyer and he did earn that money by doing a great job, as many drunks and dopers can attest too. Also it is so easy to blast a man from a stupid blog if you need his address or phone number I am sure you can get it and a good ole Georgia Brown's --- whooping . We have been delivering them to idiots for years...and Virgil always delivered them very fast and accurately...

>Of coarse God will forgive Jamie Weis if he should ask, and Braley if he did ask and the cold bloodied murderer who killed Donna Johnson, if they should ask.

It isn't a matter of forgiveness with God...sin has been paid for at the cross. Our sins were imputed into the Lord Jesus Christ and judged. The issue is: What do they think of Christ. That's the heart of the matter.

The law will handle the criminal and legal matters. Any failings of our law to deal with criminals is nothing more than a mirror reflection of society and its refusal to orient to God's mandates. The nation begins to slip into the 5 cycles of discipline (which we are doing).

>BUT in the meantime two young ladies were snatched away from life and loved ones in their youth and Mrs. King did not choose to die even though elderly, in such a manner....that is my guess.

And that is horrible. No doubt. But crime and punishment and salvation are two different issues.

>But Jesus said, "forgive them Father, for they know not what they do" as they crucified him? Right.

Yes, that's exactly what He said--and meant! They didn't know what they were doing (or more importantly: who they were rejecting). That's Agape love. To forgive even when wrong is being done to you. The Lord Jesus Christ was wronged. He was beaten for no reason. He was ridiculed. He was killed (His humanity; not His Deity). But He did it for us. He endured the greatest injustice ever known to man--and He did it willingly.

>Are you equal to Jesus?

I am not.

>Do you have Jesus' power of forgiveness, I do not.

I have the potential, but it has to become the reality.

Jesus has mandated us to love and to forgive. He would not mandate us to do something that we are not capable of doing.

Please note: Forgiving does not mean that criminals shouldn't be prosecuted. They should. But forgiveness does mean that we get our eyes off the wrongs and injustices that have been done to us and put them on God. We know that Jesus endured the greatest injustice ever known....and the suffering that we face is but for a minute. We do not allow the wrongs committed against us by others to hijack and derail our spiritual life.

It hurts. It often hurts very badly...

We suffer. Mostly for our own mistakes, but sometimes for wrongs brought against us for no reason.

But we have confidence that God will cause even the most horrible things that happen to work together for the good. We have confidence in our God's ability to judge the situation fairly (because He is the only person to know all the facts and circumstances) and we let Him work it out. And we let the state do their job in prosecuting.

But we don't get our eyes on man. We do our best to keep our eyes on God. And when we slip, we 1 John 1:9 and get back to it. We repeat as necessary.

It is always so very fascinating to watch people respond to a grace message: they usually are overcome with joy and happiness (because of God loving them despite being who they are), or they retaliate and try to make a mockery of it--they just cannot accept that God doesn't need people to put their grubby little hands into His perfect work.

I was starting to agree with him FBT. He really sounded smart. But I asked him a simple question and he went on about being a Non-Biblical Christian. Which are more commonly called hypocrites. At least if you are doing any work this Saturday you found yourself another helper!

We need to understand one another: I'm not looking for you to agree. I don't need for you to agree. You talk to God or god (if you make yourself the highest authority) about what you agree and don't agree with. It is none of my business.

I presented information. It is up to you to either accept or reject it. That's a matter of your privacy and your volition. Not mine.

Now, I understand that you may be used to dealing with "Christians" who want to change you. "Christians" who harass you and tell you "how wrong you are!" and how "you're going to die and burn in hell!" if you don't believe what they're screaming at you.

Well, I'm not one of them.

I can't change you. I don't want to change you.

I can't pressure you into believing like I do. I can't coerce you into believing that Jesus Christ died for your sins.

See, I know: The only true change comes from hearing the word of God and being positive to it--not from outside pressure. I don't score brownie points with God for how many heads I bring in each week to my local church. And I don't get paid for how many arms I twist . I'm not banking a huge salary for all the guilt trips I send people on.

So, you can relax. I don't want to change you.

Now, having said that, No, I don't want people to die without believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, but I also understand: it is their choice. Their freedom. Their privacy. Their life. And I respect that.

So, do as you want. I've fulfilled my mandate.

>But I asked him a simple question and he went on about being a Non-Biblical Christian. Which are more commonly called hypocrites.

The term "Non-Biblical Christian" is nothing more than nomenclature used to differentiate between the actual teaching of the word of God and the religion (man trying to get to God) that many so called "Christians" practice. Now, I only say "so called" because if they haven't believed in the Lord Jesus Christ...they aren't Christian. You can't have "Christianity" without Christ--even if religion tries to do it. It always has been and it always will be: Faith alone in Christ alone--not good works.

Good works are a RESULT of living the Christian/Spiritual life....they are NOT the Christian life itself. Too many Christians try to put the cart before the horse.

A hypocrite would be a person who tells you that drinking is a sin (it isn't...just being drunk), but HABITUALLY ties one on every Friday and Saturday night. You aren't a hypocrite because you slip and sin (or slip and gin!). You're a hypocrite when the life you live doesn't consistently match up to what you try and enforce on others (or proclaim to others that you are..when you aren't!).

See the difference?

One is a perversion of God's word into a religion. The other: an invasion into the lives of others--and refusing to do the very thing(s) they're nagging other people about. Both are evil, but they are not the same thing.

> At least if you are doing any work this Saturday you found yourself another helper!

More implied accusations and snarky little remarks to bait an emotional reaction.

Slap all you want. It is my decision to turn the other cheek. Words do not hurt me. What hurts is taking a long and hard look around at the place that I love and seeing so much locked in negative volition, religion, legalism, animosity and open hostility towards God.

It hurts me very deeply....

So, attack all you want. You are free to ostracize, ridicule, scrutinize, malign and judge...

And believe me: there is plenty for you to find fault with. I assure you--I'm no where near perfect or good. I know what I am: A complete and absolute total failure...who is saved by the grace of God!

You do what you do. And I will do what I do: I will pray for more time for my nation, positive volition and more opportunities to present the greatest story every told: The saving work of my Lord and Savior: Jesus Christ on the cross.

im starting to see that. it seems like there was a book written after the new testament. thats the only one i have to rely on at this time for christian teachings. someone mentioned something about a Non-Biblical way of being a christian. i didnt know there was such sect. now i can understand why you call yourself a christian and do not follow the teachings in the new testament. i will put it to rest now that i understand this.

I know. I thought they were supposed to do their best to uphold 10 Commandments. Little did I know they do not even try! I just thought with Jesus saying that if you love him to keep them holy, they would at least make an effort. You are right FBT. I have no idea what you are teaching the youngsters at your church. Except for you are a sinner, you always will be a sinner, and dont feel bad about it because God forgives you for all of them. "But whats a sinner mommy?" A sinner is
a killer, a thief, a rapist, a liar, and so
on. And if you stick with us you can do these things and still go to heaven. Even though we decided upholding the commandments is not important we feel like keeping the free ticket to heaven is in our best interest. But if Jesus ever catches on to this scheme we might be waiting in that hole in the ground for quite along time. "I already feel a whole lot better mommy. I was feeling so bad after stealing little Joey's candy bar. And even worse when I lied and told him I didnt know where it was. But now that I know that even I am a sinner I feel great about it. And it feels so good to be a part of a group that also have found a way to make themselves feel great about sinning. I will have to tell the principal at school that I am a sinner. Hope he shows me the same compassion as this cult does. And I will be sure to sin every week. This way when preacher man talks about us all being sinners on Sunday I will not feel left out anymore." 1

>I know. I thought they were supposed to do their best to uphold 10 Commandments.

Anything that a non-believer can do...is NOT the Christian way of life. Keeping the 10 Commandments will certainly make you 'good' and 'moral', but they will not provide your salvation. Plenty of unbelievers are 'good' and 'moral' people, but that is all they are...

And guess what? Our 'goodness' and our 'morality' isn't good enough. It falls short. It misses the mark. Sure, it may impress certain people--BUT...it does NOT impress God. God's righteousness is the only thing that impresses God and that's imputed in to us at the moment of faith alone in Christ alone (along with 39 other things revealed in scripture). See Romans 3:22a:

This RIGHTEOUSNESS is given through FAITH in JESUS CHRIST to all who BELIEVE. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile for ALL HAVE SINNED and FALL SHORT of the glory of God (His perfect essence) and all are JUSTIFIED FREELY by his GRACE through the REDEMPTION that came by Christ Jesus.

Anything that an unbeliever can accomplish through the power of the flesh (willpower, having proper norms and standards, abstaining from something, etc..) is not the Christian way of life. The 10 commandments were meant to govern unbelievers and believers. They also helped to point out that man needs a savior--because we all have broken the law. We all have sinned. Nothing wrong with keeping them. We should. But they don't make us spiritual and they certainly won't save you.

>"But whats a sinner mommy?"

I can't answer for you, but I will share what my answer would be:

We all are baby. We all fall short of God's perfect standards, but don't be upset...there is good news! The Lord Jesus Christ died for us and sin isn't the real issue any longer. Then you walk your child through the whole thing. You break down the concepts of: Atonement, Regeneration, Justification, Propitiation, Substitution, Reconciliation, Redemption, Imputation, Sanctification, etc... for them.

Break these biblical concepts down for a child and you'll be amazed at how quickly they can comprehend them! Why? Because it's LOVE! And they understand love. It is about our Heavenly Father providing everything for us (through grace) and us being helpless to help ourselves--JUST LIKE A CHILD is helpless to himself/herself--they depend of their parents for EVERYTHING. Just like we depend on our Heavenly Father for everything! (As an aside: What happens when young children try to help mommy and daddy out? They often make a mess and make the job much more difficult to do. Yes, we love them, but they make a mess when they try and do our jobs for us! Well, that's how we are when we try and help God...we make a mess and over complicate things)

>A sinner is a killer, a thief, a rapist, a liar, and so on. And if you stick with us you can do these things and still go to heaven.

Yes, they are those things. They are also: a liar, a person who fears, a person who has mental adultery, bitterness, gossip, a malinger, a judger, a person who is jealous, a person who is implacable, on and on and on and on. We are ALL SINNERS.

1 John 1:10: If we claim we have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar and His word is not in us.

It is so sad to watch Christians try and twist God's word into nothing but legalism and morality. They put being "good" on a pedestal and they try to keep it out of reach (for others). That gives them the power to project that they are HOLIER and much closer to God than all us poor and horrible sinners.

The Christian way of life is SO MUCH MORE than just morality. It is my prayer that you'll one day experience that.

The rest of your comment is nothing but the moaning, whining, crying and putting words in other people's mouths because that's the only way you can carry on a discussion: pitching a tantrum, hysterics, and trying to confuse the issue.

Readers:

The issue isn't: sin. Sin has been paid for. The issue is: What do you think of The Lord Jesus Christ and His substitutionary death on the cross? That is the issue.

Do not be browbeaten by legalistic people who want you to believe that you aren't worthy of forgiveness. That you've done something so horrible that it is stronger than what God has done for you. That is pure arrogance to think that man can do something that is greater than what God has done for us: The saving work of Jesus Christ on the cross.

You believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you take in His word with positive volition and morality will come. Your thinking will change. Your mind will be renovated. Old things will be put aside and you will become a new creation (with a new way of thinking). But the one important difference is: You will know that it is what God has done (and is doing...) for you and NEVER what you're doing for God. And it is the most wonderful experience in the world. You can have peace in the middle of adversity. You can have confidence in God's ability to hold you up...even in the middle of the storm.

But most importantly: on your death bed: you won't ever worry if you've been good enough to get into heaven. You'll know that your eternal state is secure because of the AMAZING Grace of God!

It is my prayer that all of you will experience that.

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