Re: MD5SUM for Intrepid Ibex

Alias wrote:
> Mike Easter wrote:
>
.... snip ...
>
>> One could also advise how and why to use the md5, such as is
>> described at help.ubuntu.com
>
> When I want your advice on how to post, I'll let you know. Don't
> hold your breath, asshole.

Re: MD5SUM for Intrepid Ibex

Aaron Grahn wrote:
> Why is anyone still using MD5? I thought I heard it was broken...
>
>

In this context, the md5 hash is (just) being used as a file integrity
checker for the .iso, there (supposedly) isn't a risk or problem of a man
in the middle substituting a bad-iso which has the identical md5 as the
good-iso.

For this file integrity usage, it seems to me that any 'pretty good' error
checking for correctness algo would be just fine, such as crc; since this
isn't really about a security signature type check.

--
Mike Easter

Re: MD5SUM for Intrepid Ibex

Alias wrote:
> I try to help by posting the MD5SUM and all I get is this? Don't worry,
> I won't post here again.
>
> Alias

Who wants to bet he's lying?

technomaNge
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Re: MD5SUM for Intrepid Ibex

On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:02:41 +0100, Alias wrote:
> Stephan Rose wrote:
>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:43:43 +0100, Alias wrote:
>>
>>> Mike Easter wrote:
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>> Mike Easter wrote:
>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>> Subject: MD5SUM for Intrepid Ibex
>>>>>> The way to create a new message
>>>>> Yeah, I made a mistake. Here are all of them:
>>>> The purpose of md5 is to assure the integrity of the download. We
>>>> should not be getting our md5 information from a message someone
>>>> posted in a newsgroup -- so your post isn't helpful in that regard.
>>>>
>>>> We should be getting the md5 information from the ub md5 site, such
>>>> as http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.10/MD5SUMS
>>>>
>>>> So, one form of message would be to state in a single complete
>>>> sentence:
>>>>
>>>> Here are the md5s for the new Ubuntu 8.10 releases
>>>> http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.10/MD5SUMS
>>>>
>>>> One could also advise how and why to use the md5, such as is
>>>> described at help.ubuntu.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> When I want your advice on how to post, I'll let you know. Don't hold
>>> your breath, asshole.
>>>
>>>
>> Your Valium prescription run out or something like that? Seriously,
>> look at the garbage you are spewing out here.
>>
>> Mike is very much right. I know I personally wouldn't want to trust
>> someone's MD5 sum posting on some random newsgroup, especially when the
>> next follow up response from the same person contains words such as
>> "asshole, go **** yourself", etc.
>>
>> Makes you look like an idiot.
>>
>>
> Telling me how to post makes him what?
>
> Alias

Well, it is kind of stupid to think you will listen to advice, or learn
anything.

Re: MD5SUM for Intrepid Ibex

Michael B. Trausch wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:02:07 +0100
> Alias wrote:
>
>> I try to help by posting the MD5SUM and all I get is this? Don't
>> worry, I won't post here again.
>
> All that is being said to you is that you should link to resources like
> this, not put them in the newsgroup where no (security-conscious)
> individual is going to accept the information.
>
> If that's such a big issue for you, then please, don't post here
> again. Or anywhere else on Usenet, for that matter. It's really just
> simple logic.
>
> --- Mike
>

Amen, brother!

This guy has been trolling the Vista.general NG rationalizing his
advocacy of Ubuntu as a valid subject for that NG for over a year now.
(Well, that's a SWAG on the timeline.)

No big surprise to find him insulting/cussin' folks here, in the NG of
his beloved Ubuntu. Consideration of his fellow man does not seem to be
one of his strong-points.

Lang

P.S. Running 8.04 here now... had many problems with NG readers in prior
releases... but TB working fine now. Also run OS X, Vista, XP on my
personal PC's.

I've had so much trouble with Thunderbird (granted, I have rather
strange configuration needs, but that really shouldn't be an issue)
that I wound up giving up on it. While I was in school, I used
Evolution, only because it handled HTML mail really well, but it never
quite fit into the way that I do things. These days, I am using Claws
Mail, which, aside from sometimes blocking the UI when the news or mail
server is being a bit slow, is quite excellent.

Maybe if I get the time, I'll find out how to make it not block the UI
when doing long-waiting network operations, and then it will be pretty
damn close to perfect. :-)

Re: MD5SUM for Intrepid Ibex

On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 01:18:00 -0400, Michael B. Trausch wrote:
>> P.S. Running 8.04 here now... had many problems with NG readers in
>> prior releases... but TB working fine now. Also run OS X, Vista, XP on
>> my personal PC's.
> I've had so much trouble with Thunderbird (granted, I have rather
> strange configuration needs, but that really shouldn't be an issue) that
> I wound up giving up on it. While I was in school, I used Evolution,
> only because it handled HTML mail really well, but it never quite fit
> into the way that I do things. These days, I am using Claws Mail,
> which, aside from sometimes blocking the UI when the news or mail server
> is being a bit slow, is quite excellent.

Heh. Why would you expect much else, when using email clients for
newsgroups? Have you ever thought that "Gee, maybe I should look into
learning how to use a proper newsreader..."?
> Maybe if I get the time, I'll find out how to make it not block the UI
> when doing long-waiting network operations, and then it will be pretty
> damn close to perfect. :-)

A better use of your time would be learning how to use a newsreader, and
use your email client(s) for email.

Re: MD5SUM for Intrepid Ibex

Stephan Rose wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:02:41 +0100, Alias wrote:
> So if you disagree with his post there are certainly better ways to
> handle it and respond. At least if you want to even remotely be taken
> seriously by anyone.
>

Stephan,

Har! Too true.

Dunno if you remember helping me out trying to get NG readers working in
a prior version of Ubuntu...

Installed Hardy the other day and got Thunderbird working w/o issue.
(Old issue was that I could read msgs but not respond.) Well... I guess
I should say... got TB working with some issues... like installing it.
Tried D/Ling from Mozilla site. Couldn't figure that out, but messed
around with it enough to mess things up. Ended up slicking the box and
using apt-get and that worked fine.

Anyway... glad to see folks here using common sense to deal with this dude.

Also see you're braving the rocks and shoals over in vista.general. Good
luck with that. ;D

Regards,

Lang

Re: MD5SUM for Intrepid Ibex

Dan C wrote:
> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 01:18:00 -0400, Michael B. Trausch wrote:
>
>>> P.S. Running 8.04 here now... had many problems with NG readers in
>>> prior releases... but TB working fine now. Also run OS X, Vista, XP on
>>> my personal PC's.
>
>> I've had so much trouble with Thunderbird (granted, I have rather
>> strange configuration needs, but that really shouldn't be an issue) that
>> I wound up giving up on it. While I was in school, I used Evolution,
>> only because it handled HTML mail really well, but it never quite fit
>> into the way that I do things. These days, I am using Claws Mail,
>> which, aside from sometimes blocking the UI when the news or mail server
>> is being a bit slow, is quite excellent.
>
> Heh. Why would you expect much else, when using email clients for
> newsgroups? Have you ever thought that "Gee, maybe I should look into
> learning how to use a proper newsreader..."?
>
>> Maybe if I get the time, I'll find out how to make it not block the UI
>> when doing long-waiting network operations, and then it will be pretty
>> damn close to perfect. :-)
>
> A better use of your time would be learning how to use a newsreader, and
> use your email client(s) for email.
>
> I suggest either 'Pan' or 'slrn'.
>
>

Thunderbird's not a NG reader? Seems to be working fine here.

Lang

Re: MD5SUM for Intrepid Ibex

On 01 Nov 2008 05:41:19 GMT
Dan C wrote:
> > I've had so much trouble with Thunderbird (granted, I have rather
> > strange configuration needs, but that really shouldn't be an issue)
> > that I wound up giving up on it. While I was in school, I used
> > Evolution, only because it handled HTML mail really well, but it
> > never quite fit into the way that I do things. These days, I am
> > using Claws Mail, which, aside from sometimes blocking the UI when
> > the news or mail server is being a bit slow, is quite excellent.
>
> Heh. Why would you expect much else, when using email clients for
> newsgroups? Have you ever thought that "Gee, maybe I should look
> into learning how to use a proper newsreader..."?
>

Actually, this has the features of most newsreader software I've used,
and having a single interface for both is pretty convenient. Whether
this software does both mail and news is wholly not relevant to whether
it blocks on network I/O. It only blocks when the server is slow to
respond, anyway, which doesn't happen very often.
>
> > Maybe if I get the time, I'll find out how to make it not block the
> > UI when doing long-waiting network operations, and then it will be
> > pretty damn close to perfect. :-)
>
> A better use of your time would be learning how to use a newsreader,
> and use your email client(s) for email.
>
> I suggest either 'Pan' or 'slrn'.
>

And I suggest that you be a little more friendly. People have
preferences, and they're not all yours.

BTW, I've used Pan and slrn. IMHO, they're both "okay". They're both
featureful, and I have nothing against either one of them in
particular. I do happen to like my current software quite a bit better
than either of those, though, because I actually *like* using a single,
tray-dockable application for both my mail and news. And it's
certainly not lacking in features.

Do you advocate ignorance all the time, or is today a special occasion
for you?

Re: MD5SUM for Intrepid Ibex

On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 02:33:47 -0400, Lang wrote:
>> A better use of your time would be learning how to use a newsreader,
>> and use your email client(s) for email.
>>
>> I suggest either 'Pan' or 'slrn'.
> Thunderbird's not a NG reader? Seems to be working fine here.

Re: MD5SUM for Intrepid Ibex

On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 05:07:43 -0400, Michael B. Trausch wrote:
>> A better use of your time would be learning how to use a newsreader,
>> and use your email client(s) for email.
>>
>> I suggest either 'Pan' or 'slrn'.
> And I suggest that you be a little more friendly. People have
> preferences, and they're not all yours.

Please explain (exactly) what was "unfriendly" about my comments above.
> Do you advocate ignorance all the time, or is today a special occasion
> for you?

Another comment which is hard to understand. What's with the unwarranted
hostility?

Re: MD5SUM for Intrepid Ibex

On 01 Nov 2008 16:13:47 GMT
Dan C wrote:
> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 05:07:43 -0400, Michael B. Trausch wrote:
>
> >> A better use of your time would be learning how to use a
> >> newsreader, and use your email client(s) for email.
> >>
> >> I suggest either 'Pan' or 'slrn'.
>
> > And I suggest that you be a little more friendly. People have
> > preferences, and they're not all yours.
>
> Please explain (exactly) what was "unfriendly" about my comments
> above.
>

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Dan C wrote in msgid :
>
> Heh. Why would you expect much else, when using email clients for
> newsgroups? Have you ever thought that "Gee, maybe I should look
> into learning how to use a proper newsreader..."?
>
----

This is incredibly condescending. Condescending is quite unfriendly.
A "proper newsreader" is software that adheres to Usenet conventions,
that follows the NNTP protocol standard, and handles applicable updated
standards such as message signatures and the like. Claws does all of
these things wonderfully well. The only issue Claws has is that it's
not multithreaded. This isn't a huge problem. The only fix that'd be
required would be to make it multithreaded. Obviously, being
multithreaded isn't a requirement; slrn certainly isn't.

Outlook Express and Windows Mail do not fit this standard, and thus can
be considered to be not proper newsreaders since they both fail to
implement current standards of message retrieval and display. For
example, neither can display a message that is digitally signed unless
the digital signature is inline and thus a nuisance for everyone that
doesn't have a reader that can verify the signature.
> > Do you advocate ignorance all the time, or is today a special
> > occasion for you?
>
> Another comment which is hard to understand. What's with the
> unwarranted hostility?
>

----
Dan C wrote in msgid :
> Michael Trausch wrote in msgid <20081101011800.3c46a1b6@zest>:
> > Maybe if I get the time, I'll find out how to make it not block the
> > UI when doing long-waiting network operations, and then it will be
> > pretty damn close to perfect. :-)
>
> A better use of your time would be learning how to use a newsreader,
> and use your email client(s) for email.
----

Here you slam Claws, tell me that I should learn how to use a
newsreader (which, surprise, Claws is one), and then dictate workflow
to me. Again, condescending. You also make the implication that
practicing multithreaded programming and software modification is a
waste of time, ergo advocating ignorance. Unwarranted hostility from
me? No. Just a more than well-deserved and far more tolerant than
should be response to your condescension from your soap box.

I don't make a particularly good or tolerant bird-mother. Don't ask me
to digest your food for you and regurgitate it again, thanks.

Re: MD5SUM for Intrepid Ibex

On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 12:36:41 -0400, Michael B. Trausch wrote:
>> Another comment which is hard to understand. What's with the
>> unwarranted hostility?
> ----
> Dan C wrote in msgid :
>> Michael Trausch wrote in msgid <20081101011800.3c46a1b6@zest>:
>> > Maybe if I get the time, I'll find out how to make it not block the
>> > UI when doing long-waiting network operations, and then it will be
>> > pretty damn close to perfect. :-)
>>
>> A better use of your time would be learning how to use a newsreader,
>> and use your email client(s) for email.
> ----
> Here you slam Claws, tell me that I should learn how to use a newsreader
> (which, surprise, Claws is one), and then dictate workflow to me.
> Again, condescending.

Wow. You're a sensitive little fella, eh? I did *not* slam Claws, did
not "dictate" anything (it was a recommendation), and I don't think
anything was condescending about it. More like trying to help a Usenet
n00b learn how to use newsgroups more effectively.
> You also make the implication that practicing
> multithreaded programming and software modification is a waste of time,
> ergo advocating ignorance.

I made no such implication. Not even close.
> Unwarranted hostility from me? No. Just a more than well-deserved and
> far more tolerant than should be response to your condescension from
>your soap box.

There's that thing with condescension again. You really are new to
Usenet, aren't you? Grow a thicker skin.
> I don't make a particularly good or tolerant bird-mother. Don't ask me
> to digest your food for you and regurgitate it again, thanks.

http://brandybuck.site40.net/pics/stfun00b.jpg
> You can talk about newsreading software after you've written some decent
> one. But that would be a silly duplicated effort unless you were doing
> it to learn more about how it worked in general.

Oh, OK. I didn't realize one had to write a newsreader in order to know
anything about them. Which one(s) did you write?
> Perhaps I've said it before, but C.O.L.A. is an excellent environment
> for persons such as yourself. Off you go.

Re: MD5SUM for Intrepid Ibex

Dan C wrote:
> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 02:33:47 -0400, Lang wrote:
>
>>> A better use of your time would be learning how to use a newsreader,
>>> and use your email client(s) for email.
>>>
>>> I suggest either 'Pan' or 'slrn'.
>
>> Thunderbird's not a NG reader? Seems to be working fine here.
>
> No, it isn't. It's an email client that (sort of) (half-assed) does
> newsgroups too. Poorly.
>
> If you've not tried a real newsreader, you don't even know what you're
> missing.
>
>
>