The Original Sin LIE

The body in of itself is not sinful: It has no ability to sin. Its the freewill choice of the heart of the soul that rebels against God. “the soul that sinneth it shall die” Ezek. 18

2 Timothy 1:14 That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us.

Would the Holy Spirit live in a sinful environment?

1Cor. 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

Would a sinful body be called a temple? The flesh itself is not sinful, living after the lusts of the flesh is

The false doctrine of total depravity and inability to obey God is at the very core of the doctrine of original sin. According to those who argue in favor of original sin, all men, even those who are Christians, have a corrupt, sinful nature and are unable to obey God as long as they are in this life: Augustine, the corrupt father of the doctrine of original sin, taught that salvation depends on God’s inscrutable election and predestination. Which came to be even more magnified by Luther, Calvin, and the Reformation .This doctrine is so out of character with the bible, in that it contradicts all its fundamental teachings. This is something that no true doctrine of the bible would do, but is exactly what would be expected of a false doctrine.

Original-sin is so engrained into the minds of Christian thought that it has become like bedrock. That by itself should be a clue of being in error and worthy of investigation in the scriptures. The fact is, the doctrine of original sin is so contrary to the scriptures that to try and make the two harmonize would be like trying to make light and darkness exist together in one and the same place.

Only by changing all the other doctrines, which they have done, could it harmonize with the text. The most fundamental doctrines of the Bible are contradicted by the doctrine of original sin. The doctrine of mercy, grace, guilt, pardon, and repentance all have to be redefined, and this is what has happened.

The insidious idea that “if men are born with a so-called sinful nature, then man himself is not guilty. And if man is not guilty, then Jesus died in vain”.

The doctrine of inherited sin makes a mockery of Christ! Christ died for our sins, of which we all have chose to sin, just like Adam did; a hard saying who can hear it. If the sinner truly believes that he was born a sinner which then enhances the doctrine that he cannot live without sin, believing he is the Romans wretch he will at the very least secretly excuse his sins. It’s no great wonder that the global homosexual movement says that they were born that way. Isn’t that what the church pundits have been teaching them? (everybody is born in sin they claim). So are not the gays just following suit by saying we were born this way? Once again this false doctrine gives the sinner an excuse for his sins. God never once excuses sin but rather warns of an awful judgement that awaits sinners continually from Geneses to Revelation. There is not one verse in the bible that says “sin-nature”, or child and sin, or children and sin, but rather the bible says man is evil from his youth.

The Bible teaches that children cannot be sinners and guilty and condemned at birth, for they do not know the difference between good and evil, and have not yet come to the “age of accountability”: Moses expresses this in the book of Deuteronomy in chapter 1.

“Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it.” Deuteronomy 1:39

Is Paul speaking to the heathens on Mars hill in Acts ch. 17, teaching those who seek the Lord that they inherited the genetics of Adam? No way,,, God breathed the breath of life into every person “the offspring of God” (Acts 17:28, 29). What heresy to say our soul/spirit is already tainted by sin at birth. We were formed fearfully and wonderfully in the womb by God in Psalms 139, and there is no sin in HIM. We were made to fear God and hate sin. Seems strange that if this were true we should also be born in sin. Nay, may God forbid! Sin is an “act” of disobedience to Gods’ commands, not a genetic trait, it is an issue of a chosen moral action…Sin has no atomic weight, nor do the works of righteousness have an atomic weight, both are a choice of action. However, our bodies indeed were born corruptible and will suffer infirmities and die. But our souls are born innocent.

Acts 17-27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: 28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

God does not demand of us or hold us RESPONSIBLE for that which we cannot be accountable for. Jesus, for example, said, “If you were blind, you would have no sin” (John 9:41). Jesus is teaching about being unable to comprehend right from wrong, and of course He was implying that the Pharisees could do such in verse 41.

Infants have no sin because God does not hold them accountable for that which they know not. Paul taught this also, he was “alive” but then “when sin became alive” he died, or was separated from God, (Romans 7-, 7, 8, 9).

The innocence of children referenced in the OT.Deuteronomy 1:39 – Describes children as having no knowledge of good or evil (Innocent/ Jonah 4:11 – is a reference implying that Gentile children are unable to discern between right or wrong Psalm 106:38 – And shed innocent blood even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood. Psalm 127:3 – Behold, Children are a GIFT of the Lord; The Fruit of the Womb is a Reward Joel 3:19 One must ask; is sin a gift from the Lord? Answer, no!!! – Egypt shall be a desolation, and Edom shall be a desolate wilderness, for the violence against the children of Judah, because they have ‘shed innocent blood’ in their land. Psalm 27:10 – When my father and my mother forsake me, then the LORD will take me up.

One reads in vain for the idea of original sin in the account of man’s fall as related in the account given in Gen ch 3. Genesis records many consequences resulting from the first transgression by Adam. There is pain in child birth, the ground was cursed, and physical death (the body returning to dust) is decreed. But nothing at all about infants or children inheriting the guilt of Adam’s sin.

“Everyone who doeth sin practices lawlessness. Sin is lawlessness.” (1 John 3:4). Sin is an “act” of unrighteousness, not a genetic thing lurking in the flesh. It is something we do. It is an “act” that is lawless, or contrary to God’s law. The bible NEVER refers to sin as a substance or something that we are born with, it is not a genetic inheritance. It is never defined in God’s word as an inherited trait. It seems that every known theologian in the 16th century reformation missed this simple truth.

Psalms 51 -5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.6 Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom

The Calvinists will build a whole theology around one faulty and carnal understanding of a verse.

David is not the object of the sin in this passage in verse 5, it is his mother. But it is much deeper in meaning…In proper context and in metaphoric expressive language David is giving a prayer of repentance and sorrow, not a prayer of excuses because he was born a sinner.

“Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me”. David does not imply he inherited his parents sins…It is a song of repentance. David is expressing, with strong expressive language the anguish of his guilt. The Psalms are not there to introduce theology or to spell out doctrine, they are there for the purposes of expression…one such example in Psalms, David’ says; “my bones singing out”. Of course that is not literal, just as Psalms 51-5 is not literal. David is lamenting over the loss of his son because of his own sin. He is confessing his own personal sin throughout this Psalm. .blot out “MY” transgressions,,,Wash “ME” thoroughly from “MY” iniquity,,,,cleanse “ME” from my sin,,,For I know “MY” transgressions,,,”MY” sin is ever before me. This is not a Psalm of EXCUSE because he was born in sin.

Against you, you only, have I sinned…David is overwhelmed with the consciousness of his own sin as he looks back on his life. David is accepting full responsibility for his actions. He is not seeking to pass his sin off on a former existing born in sin-nature condition. David is not making a statement about the origin of sin; he is making a statement about the depth of his own sin…

One cannot read through the Psalms and receive every statement as literal, if so; one will end up with all sorts of heretical doctrines. To read this verse out of context would make it a direct contradiction to Psalms 139-14. In fact, when David was born, or brought forth from his mother’s womb, he was brought forth in his mother’s iniquity. For she had 2 or 3 daughters from a concubine out of sin before David was born of her through Jesse. Also look at verse 3; David says he sinned ONLY against God. This cannot be taken literal as doctrine either, for David did sin also against Bathsheba, Uriah and his General. Psalms are an expression and metaphoric in many places not to be taken literally all the time

Are babies born sinners???
The lie that we are born in sin…
Calvinists will quite often lift up St. Augustine as being one of the greatest Christian thinkers of all time. Augustine is the theological creator of the Latin-Catholic system and much of their doctrine. Augustine a Catholic, he was the principal creator of the RCC of many false doctrines in which Calvin himself claimed to detest. Go figure. Why? Because Calvin was a man of confusion of faces…. Augustine prayed to Mary for the forgiveness of sins. Augustine is one of the most prominent Catholic Church Fathers, and is praised as one of the greatest Christian thinkers of all time by many Predestination Calvinists and many other Protestants like Spurgeon. He is the father of most of the false doctrine in Christianity.

Does Genesis to Revelation ever say that there us anything wrong with our nature? No. No scripture ever says there was a change in man’s nature. Nature did not change, relationship/fellowship changed and man needs reconciliation.

Where does scripture say man is born unable in his nature? That, if he was in relationship with God in this world he’d sin because of his nature? There’s NOT ONE verse in ALL of scripture that says or implies such a thing. In fact Gen. 4-7 says the opposite.

Sin-nature heresy is found in Greek Philosophy, Eastern Mysticism, Gnosticism. But it’s not found in the bible. The early church fathers fought against this heresy. 1 John repeatedly addresses the Gnostic’s and he called them seducers, deceived, and antichrists.

Jesus himself being fully God, but also fully man (Son of man), as HE took on the flesh and bone of man, being born of Mary’s egg. The Son of God proceeded from God the Father, overshadowed by the person of the Holy Ghost conceived through the egg of Mary, in Mary’s womb…How could Jesus be born in sin? He wasn’t

For example; the Augustine heresy teaching that a child being born of the flesh of Adam makes him born into sin. This false theology was developed by Augustine, then adopted by Luther/Calvin/Arminious….The bible will easily disprove this…Knowing of a truth, this first; that Jesus was born of Mary’s egg, Mary was not a surigut mother, Jesus took on the flesh and bone of “man”… This means that Jesus in His seed line in Luke ch 3 was a direct decedent of Adam in the flesh… Jesus was most defiantly born of Adam’s flesh. The bible says that Jesus had no sin in HIM. Yet heretics will say that all born of the flesh of Adam are born in sin…If this were true, then Jesus would have been born a sinner….

The problem with the false doctrine of born in sin is this; if we were born into sin, then so would Jesus have to be born into sin…

It has been a lie for 1600 years, and a very suitable one for manipulating and merchandising the flock…Keep them born in sin, and forever in their sin, even in Purgatory, and one can make a more than comfortable living fleecing the flock for the rest of his days.

Jesus was born into the same flesh as you and me. Scripture say, he was made in “all” ways like his brethren? He was born of Adams flesh and we are born of Adams flesh…He, possessing by birth, the same flesh, and thereby the same temptations we experience while never yielding to them (He being full of grace and truth), seems to serve rather to the magnification of His glory as the Son of God, as opposed to supposing that somehow his glory is diminished thereby. Jesus said, “I am the root and the offspring of David,” are we to discern that David sprang forth from the root of Christ having a sinful nature? Or, are we to understand that Jesus, as the offspring of David, was born with a sinful nature? Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega, He created David and was the offspring of David. We know that Jesus did not create David a sinner, and we know that Jesus was not born a sinner as the offspring of David.

Notwithstanding, we absolutely do inherit physical and temporal consequences form Adams sin, just as Jesus did also, because God cursed the ground, being born into a world full of suffering and a far cry from what God had originally intended for mankind. We inherit the consequences of Adams’ sin, but we do not inherit his sin. Ezek. 18 is very clear about this.

Adam’s sin does not condemn the child to being made a sinner…All were formed in the womb by God. According to some Christians, eating, pooping, crying, and being dependent on their parents is a sin. They never thought to realize, that Jesus like us, must have also did these very same things. Crying is their only form of communication other than reaching out with their arms. There is not one verse in the bible that speaks of a baby or child’s sin. Not one…It is no marvel that Jesus said we must come as a child. We must be “like children”, humble and innocent before the Lord, to enter the kingdom of heaven.

If children are already sinful, why does Jesus use them for an example? And calling to him a child, he put him in the midst of them and said, “Verily, I say to you, unless you turn and become like a child, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. This child could enter into heaven because he had no sin, and Jesus was using him for an example…Yes it is also expressing an example of child like faith as well… We must come to Him like little child, helpless. A child must depend on his parents to sustain life, and like a child, we too must depend on our Savior to sustain eternal life. Jesus didn’t preach about ‘genetics’ when He came 2000 years ago. Sin has nothing to do with ‘genetics’…Although the decay of man and the creation does have to do with genetics, because God cursed the earth, but man is not held responsible for Adams sin. When Adam sinned, however, the Lord cursed the universe. In essence there was a change, and along with that change God began to uphold the creation in a cursed state, and still holding it in place by HIS word unto the day of judgement, spoken of by the apostle Peter in 2 Peter 3.. Suffering and death entered into His creation. The whole universe now suffers from the effects of sin (Romans 8:22).” This is the condition of the creation after 2 severe curses by God, and this is what we inherited from Adam’s sin, we inherited a corrupt universe,

We inherit not Adam’s sin nature genetics..
Even though Jesus was without sin, HIS own flesh was still corruptible just as ours is. However He put on incorruptible flesh when He was Resurrected… Jesus himself was not corruptible, but His flesh was in-fact of this creation and all-things of this creation are corruptible and die, thus His flesh body was raised and made a new and incorruptible body…

Ezek 18-20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

“The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.” Job 33:4

But when God says he has created us “in His image,” and has given us “life and breath and all things,” are we to understand that He created us as sinners?

The only thing we inherit from Adam’s sin is not the sin itself, but rather the consequences of it when God cursed the earth…We enter into a world of sin as innocent new borns. God cursed the serpent and the ground, but he did not curse Adam or Eve.

Adam was made in the image of God, yet Adam sinned. He was capable of sinning both before and after the fall. When Adam sinned there was as of yet no fall. Why did Adam sin? Was he created with a sin nature? What happened at the fall that would change Adam’s nature? God did not curse Adam, He cursed the serpent and the ground, and then he cursed the ground for a 2nd and final time in Gen ch 7 with a flood.

How was Adam’s nature different after he sinned than before? Yes his eyes were open, but his nature did not change, he sinned before and after. If Adam was made in the image of God, wouldn’t that mean that Seth was also made in the image of God? Genesis 9:6 “Whosoever sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man”. If man was no longer in God’s image then Moses would have no purpose in quoting this statement in verse 6. His argument against killing is that man is created in God’s image. He is not saying don’t kill because man used to be in God’s image. The use of this statement requires that Moses understood the passage to mean man is still made in God’s image. All sinners need to be conformed to the image of Christ, because of sin in their lives, but people are born in the image of God, not in sin. What did God mean when he said “let us make man in our image”?

“Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.” (Romans 4:15)

Hebrews 2:16-17 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

Jesus took on the seed of Abraham. If Abraham was born a sinner from Adam then his sin-nature was then transferred to Jesus..>Once again this makes Jesus born in sin .But we know that Jesus had no sin in HIM….Abraham lived by faith and it was accounted to him for righteousness, Hebrews 11

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 2 Cor. 5:10

All are judged according to what we have done (free-will)….

Sin reigned between Adam and Moses (the time period without the given Law (10 Commandments) because men still had the light of conscience (Romans 2:14-16). Thus between Adam and Moses people sinned against their conscience without a direct command. Adam violated a direct commandment (a given law) whilst those between Adam and Moses violated their conscience.

“If we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ, His Son cleanses us from all sin” 1 John 1:7.

Ephesians 2:1-3 1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

These verses listed above are not speaking of one’s natural birth into sin.

The phrase “by nature” does not mean “by birth”. check out the Greek on this one. In context these 3 verses mean that wicked men are not naturally good, but rather, naturally and habitually sinful, (he loves sin,) and he has a natural tendency toward sin because if his own addictions and choices. Mans’ heart is deceitfully wicked and who can know it? Jeremiah 17-9. (the wicked) He is evil from his youth a natural tendency formed from habits embraced toward sin among the wicked. Having a sinful nature to sin does not mean born of sin and Jeremiah is only speaking of the wicked in chapter 17 not the righteous,

One of the several possible meanings of “by nature” is ‘a sensual addiction or habit of feeling, and by acting out which by use of long bad habits over time has become one’s own nature. This would be in keeping with the rest of this passage. “you once walked” (imperfect tense – indicating habitual action) “carrying out” (also imperfect)

Romans 2:14 “For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law require…”
Does this mean it is the nature of the Gentiles to obey the law? That would contradict the claim that we are all born sinful.
There was no provision given under the law to enter into eternal life. So, keeping the law could not give eternal life. It was by Faith in the OT Hebrews Ch. 11
The Law of the Lord brings death (reveals sin) and Jesus Christ brings life (remission of sin).

Jesus told people to repent and believe the gospel because the Kingdom of Heaven was at hand… He warned many religious people because they were so set in their traditions of men that they had become ‘hardened’ in the heart. A heart of which has no mercy or forgiveness, a heart that had become exalted and self-righteous, full of spiritual pride just like their father the devil. Of which is a spiritual problem and a condition of the heart, not an inherited genetic problem of the flesh….Guilt or innocence is a question of behavior. So, until a new born child has done something wrong, he is innocent, if not, he would feel guilty over his sin. Remember Adam covered himself with fig leaves because he had guilt. He knew of his sin because he had knowledge of sin…An innocent baby does not…

Being born into a sinful world does not condemn the child to being a sinner. Born and fashioned in the womb in sin? No… Born into sin? Yes…thus the world is sinful, and the child will most likely sin once they realize right from wrong, this conviction is given to us by the conscience out pouring of the Holy Ghost John 16-8

Free will sinners is a choice that we cannot make until we reach the age of understanding, and all have sinned, and fallen short of the glory of God. Jesus was not a sinner; He was tempted just as we are, but remained sinless, if this wasn’t so, then HIS crucifixion was in vain. Jesus cannot abide with sin, flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, because the flesh is corrupt, and weak, easily tempted. This is why Paul said that this corruptible must put on incorruption.

Not “by Adam himself”, but rather by Adam’s “disobedience”. Likewise Jesus’ “obedience”. A very big difference. To grasp the truth of God’s words, it must be “cut straight” and not twisted to our own carnal and sensual understanding.

Neither obedience nor disobedience is inherited. To say one is inherited, is to then necessarily say that the other is also. Thus, they are either both inherent or they are both not. It takes very little effort and study in the word to see the problems with this false theory of inherent sin-nature. Hebrews 12 says that Easu and Jacob while wrestling in the womb did neither good nor evil… And especially is this the result when trying to harmonize it with the inspired words of Solomon, “Truly, this only I have found: That God made man upright, But they have sought out many schemes” Eccl 7:29. Once again God is not a molder of sin in the womb, for HE made man upright.

Psalm 139- 13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother’s womb. 14-For you have formed my inward parts: you have covered me in my mother’s womb. For thou hast possessed my reins.” Thou art the owner and have kept my inner most parts and person: (stars that all differ 1 Cor 15-45) not the indweller and observer only, but the acknowledged Lord and possessor of my most secret individual person made uniquely by God and knitted in the womb. Those who know God indeed and of a truth who first know the Lord, and then know all things in him. David was made to know the marvelous nature of God’s work, for he had found by experience and revelation that the Lord is a Master Creator. This coming into being as a marvelous work of the omniscient and omnipresent omnipotence of God

Thou hast covered me in my mother’s womb – to interweave; to weave; to knit together, and the literal translation would be, “Thou hast “woven” me in my mother’s womb, meaning that God had put his parts together, as one who weaves cloth, or who makes a basket. God does not weave sin. No not possible.

Job 31:15 Did not he that made me in the womb make him? and did not one fashion us in the womb?

We were all fashioned marvelous and innocent in the womb.
Both Job’s manservant and maidservant were made by the Lord just as Job was…The God of the bible said he formed them in the womb. I would think it is impossible for God to form, fashion, or make something of sin….For God even created Satan perfect in all his ways.(Exek. 28), ….We were made innocent like Adam and chose to sin, because our free-will and a selfish nature which is liken to Adam. God makes the bodies and creates the souls of all men just as at the first, all are formed and fashioned by Him, and they have all the same rational powers and faculties of the soul. Children are born innocent, they become indoctrinated and corrupted by the adults and world around them.

Is God the author of sin? No, He hates sin, its man who chooses to sin. Just as Adam and Eve did when they were given a commandment. The nature of man in his flesh hates the law, as Romans chapters 5,6,7,8 explain. Once man becomes dead God will call him and he must “put forth his hand” Gen. 3, and feed from the tree of life (the free-will to seek God and accept God’s grace and covenant in Jesus Christ).Seek and ye shall find.

Romans Chapter 7-7,8,9, says there is no sin without first having the knowledge of the law given to us. Same with Adam; it was impossible for Adam to sin until God gave him a commandment.

Romans7-7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Is the law sin? God forbid… was our conscience that was formed in us sin? Nay! God forbade. Our conscience conviction is the law.

8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

But sin taking now “occasion” (a starting point) by the way of our conscience conviction (the law that commands) now brought into Paul all manner of desires, lusts. I think this answers the question of babies and born sinners. We sin because we choose to. Also man can only sin against his knowledge of the truth.

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9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. For example mentally impaired or retarded people have much less knowledge of the truth and are judged in accordance to their accountability. In some cases I perceived many of them are innocent like children are.

Romans 7:7-9…Paul was alive without the knowledge of sin, but when Paul now had the knowledge of the commandment sin revived and Paul died. Here Paul says he was alive once without the law. Most certainly the law was in existence before Paul was born, so what does he mean? Paul uses alive and dead as metaphors to describe the conviction of the law and sin which separates man from God. His being alive without the law, means before he understood the law he was not condemned by the law, but when the law came, or when he understood the law, He died, became condemned by the law. Essentially he is saying that before he understood the law he was not convicted by sin, however after he understood the law he became guilty of sin. Paul also spoke in Romans 4 of this. Same thing with Adam, if he ate of the tree of knowledge with out God giving him a commandment not to, it would not have been imputed to him as sin..

Romans 4:12-16 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. .Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

There is no law in the mind not capable of comprehending the law.
If we are honest with ourselves, we will realize that Adam is a fair representative for all of us. If a perfect person in a perfect place decided to disobey God’s rules, so can we. . Romans 5-12 “Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned” .Not because they were born in sin, but because they sinned. Death came by way of the consequences of Adams sin, as a curse came upon the earth. The law now is our conscience.

Romans 5-19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

If read properly; many has to be the same in both parts of this verse, it does not say “all”, so I ask here who are the many? If there are many then there must also be a few who did not sin. Who are these few? Those who have died before they had the knowledge of sin. Obedience; This is man’s free-will responsibility to respond to his knowledge of the law written on his mind. God says this starting point of sin takes place from his youth in Gen. ch. 8. Man is evil from his youth. This is the age of accountability of a person. People are formed in the womb by God and born innocent without sin…

Many just as Adam became disobedient, Adam was of the age of accountability, babies are not.

For as by the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous. Romans 5:19

What does this verse mean? The word “make” is idiomatic in some cases. Take for instance this verse from Matthew 12,

Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for the tree is known by its fruit. In this instance, Jesus is using the word “make”, not as a synonym for “construct”, or “create”, but as a synonym for “identify” or “classify.” The tree is classified as “good” or “bad” depending on what kind of fruit it produces. Jesus said, if continued in, the truth will MAKE you free from sin.

Romans 5:19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. Paul is using the term “made” in the same sense as Jesus was using it. When he says that one man’s disobedience “made” the many sinners, he means one man’s disobedience identified the many as sinners. Also many were made sinner not all, and many will be made righteous not all.
Paul isn’t saying that Adam caused the many to be sinners.

What, then, is this insistence that man is constitutionally sinful, that man is a natural born sinner? Unfortunately, the commonly taught Doctrine of Sin Nature “AKA” Original Sin doctrine– most often results in a plethora of excuses for continuing in sin, while becoming an hardened road-block to any attempt to live godly and apart from sin. This is the express image of the Laodiceans church now seen in these last days. They say “Christians aren’t perfect, just forgiven”, however . “But put ye on the LORD Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof” Romans 13:14.

This false doctrine of Sin Nature robs, those who receive it, making difficult the natural action of the true believers, which is to lovingly obey the Lord (1Timothy 6:15), who “purchased [us] with His own blood” (Acts 20:28). Should not we desire to be different from the lukewarm nature of Laodicea? “15 If ye love Me, keep My Commandments… 21 He that hath My Commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth Me: and he that loveth Me shall be loved of My Father, and I will love him, and will manifest Myself to him… 14 Ye are My friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you” (John 14:15, 21; 15:14)

There are many more examples in the text that disprove this hoax of original sin.

Augustine, Luther/Calvin all taught that man was born a lump of sin, he has no free will, God never changes, He is immutable, and Grace only for the elect and God decides, Just wars, and persecution of so-called heretics. The truth is babies are not born in sin, but they are born in Babylon. God does NOT write sins into ANYONE’S heart, His very character forbids it. A common sense biblical outlook is that “God hates sin”. Is He going to punish sin with more sin? No, that’s illogical. This same principle can be carried over to Jesus. Many believe He became sin on the cross. That is a lie from the pit of hell. He became a blameless “sin offering” on our behalf. He didn’t become sin to defeat sin. That would be ludicrous and contradict the whole bible..

What the scriptures teach; Born Innocent, man has a free and independent will, God interacts with man, and can alter His course based upon mans repentance, Grace to Whosoever Will Come, Jesus died for all, Love your enemies, Pay no one evil for evil. Babies are born into Babylon but they are not born in sin.

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God sees everything just as it is. He doesn’t have any filters, or where rose colored glasses. He searches the heart for guile and alternate motives…Gods vision is not blurred, for the 7 eyes of Holy Ghost goes throughout the earth.

Here is an interesting fact that few have noticed in the text concerning how Jesus reacts to sinners and seriousness of their future if continued in…

Nineveh turned from their wicked works in repentance, in hopes that God might pardon them. Jesus speaks about these same people of Nineveh in the NT. It’s very interesting and telling what He had to say about them. As we know, by way of a miracle Jesus fed the 5000 men, which was about 20,000 counting women and children. He then returned to these places in Galilee (Bethesda, Coperniam etc) about a year later, He upbraided the entire cities because they were still living in sin. He said if Sodom and Gomorrah had seen such great miracles they would already have repented, but ye repent not. Them He spoke of the Ninevites, and how they repented and would stand in judgment against them on judgment day. Likewise the Queen of Sheba……….Using Nineveh as an example because they turned away from their sin………Bill

I agree that the doctrine of original sin is a lie. However, according to the Bible such as in Romans 7, the flesh body is sinful and is doomed to cease because of this. It must be “changed”. But the reason for this is not because of inherited sin (as that is a myth), but just as a computer can be “corrupted” so the flesh has learned to have a sinful nature by the evil spirits that abound in the world. The flesh therefore cannot ultimately be saved. But the spirit of man is pure and clean providing he does not become reprobate or a child of the devil beyond the hope of salvation.

Also, penal substitution is just as big a lie if not the worst and most blinding lie of all and is rooted in original sin doctrine. “Substitution” is not mentioned in the Bible at all (the true Bible being the Authorized King James).

The church does not know why Jesus died and remains in an infantile state of understanding, at least understanding that Jesus is God come in the flesh. God however has chosen me to understand the gospel that I might show the truth to God’s people.

Greetings Richard
The flesh in of in of itself is simply sarx, it can do nothing one way or the other, it is the soul that is in jeopardy. In Gen 2 we see that God endowed man with desires and inclinations. When the soul missuses those desires and inclinations (wrongful use/sin) abounds. The flesh is corrupted because of the curse upon the earth and death. However it is not corrupted morally because it is not held accountable to any standard, only the soul which directs the members of the flesh can sin. Paul said to be blameless in spirit, soul, and body, (mind, desire, and deeds) the triune matrix of man. Jesus was made flesh of the same corrupted body kind as we have. His flesh was renewed in His resurrection> Our flesh is corrupted because of Adam’s sin, not because the flesh itself is sinful. Because of this, at the resurrection, the corrupted cursed flesh will put on incorruption and become immortal as is the soul…………..

I agree that penal substitution is a Reformation lie, and so is public justice, or moral government theology. The bible teaches covenant theology via ransom and freedom from sin, which then by the atonement of Christs suffering (the mercy seat), of the which justifies God,s mercy for the purpose of reconciliation…………be blessed, Bill

Regarding your saying that the flesh is itself not sinful, I must disagree using the Scripture which says the opposite:

Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak
through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness
of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

The flesh is stated here as being sinful. The flesh is itself sinful (morally corrupt). This corruption is not inherited, but is the natural result of being exercised upon by the evil spirits that abound in the world. The flesh is defined as the old man and is the outer man. Each of us are in fact “two men.” (The spirit-man and the flesh-man.) Figuratively this old man has to be “put off.” It is the deeds of the body that have to be mortified.

Also the moral sins of the flesh are called so in the statement:

Romans 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye
through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall
live.

You see the words, “deeds of the body.” And also in Galatians 5:19-21, beginning with the words, “Now the works of the flesh are manifest…” It doesn’t even say the works of the soul. It emphatically states that the flesh is where we are contaminated morally and which taints both our heart and soul, if not put to death or mortified. The lie of both original sin and penal substitution exists to deny that we are really righteous and do not deliberately sin, and that only in the flesh are we “sinners”. We were never truly sinners in that we are not sinful spirits. This is the good news which is universally denied. Only those who are lost forever (children of Satan) are sinful spirits and true sinners.

The flesh is also said in Scripture to have a will of its own. The soul sins only through the flesh. Yet I can’t even find a single verse in the Bible (Authorized King James) that says the soul has a will of its own. The Bible does however state the will of the spirit. Jesus said for example, that the spirit is “willing” but that the flesh is weak. So a man has a flesh-will and a spirit-will. He has two wills. Who has defined a soul? I don’t know of any correct definition by anyone and I don’t claim to clearly define the “soul” as yet. However, in the Bible, when the soul is said to hunger it is speaking of the flesh hungering and there is a very close connection between the two. Thus if the flesh sins so does the soul. The spirit of man is untouched however, because the man is not an evil spirit and not a sinning spirit, otherwise he is a child of the devil and doomed to everlasting punishment. For the flesh can sin whilst the spirit of man does not sin. (Romans 7 for example shows this.) He is therefore justifiable and can be proved innocent and blameless of all sin to God the Father through the blood of Jesus Christ. This is the truth of the gospel which the church has missed, not knowing that Jesus died to prove mankind’s innocence to God. To be justified is to be proved innocent and blameless of all sins. The law cannot justify anyone however, and declares all guilty, so that one must find justification through Jesus Christ alone.

May God bless you!

By: dovelike on December 4, 2018 at 8:46 pm

Joh_8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Think about this. Not what anyone told you, but what the Lord tells us.

Hi Bob, Everything I received concerning the gospel I got from Jesus not from man. It’s not what anyone told me. The Scripture you quoted, what is that supposed to mean? I did not say we are to continue to sin. But who knows the gospel? BEHOLD, THE LAMB OF GOD, WHICH TAKETH AWAY THE SIN OF THE WORLD.

By: dovelike on December 6, 2018 at 7:12 am

what is that supposed to mean?

Your posting on a study of the original sin lie.

Advocating that sin is Natural and blaming evil spirits :

“This corruption is not inherited, but is the natural result of being exercised upon by the evil spirits that abound in the world. The flesh is defined as the old man and is the outer man. Each of us are in fact “two men.” (The spirit-man and the flesh-man.) Figuratively this old man has to be “put off.” It is the deeds of the body that have to be mortified”

‘I can’t even find a single verse in the Bible (Authorized King James) that says the soul has a will of its own”.

You have a choice:

Jos_24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Confirming scriptures:

Rom_7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Rom_15:6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

1Co_1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

1Co_2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Php_1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;

2Th_2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

1Pe_1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;

Think about what your defending.

all good,

bob

By: DIS on December 6, 2018 at 11:24 am

Hi Bob,

Think about what I am defending? I have spent years doing so, and written hundreds of pages proving the truth of the gospel, which truth is entirely missing in the said church. What I am telling you was revealed to me by God, not by anyone in the present day and spanning to the time of the apostles. What the said church believes today about the cross of Christ is a joke (and a great abomination). What is believed is an abomination, and the denial of why Jesus died.

It is evident that you appear not to have understood me. I did not say that we do not have a choice. If a person repents however, he proves himself blameless of the sins previously committed. You see, to repent is to be sorry and to declare that one did not really mean to sin ‘deep down’ (in his spirit). Read Romans 7. Paul stated that when he (that is, his flesh) sinned, he did not really sin. HE SAID THIS. Sin is obviously in the nature of the flesh because the flesh is a natural body and the flesh-man sins. And evil spirits are to blame for that. Evil spirits are to blame for all sin in the natural flesh body. You see, the moment I say that, the accuser of the brethren in the mouth of the Christian starts to defend the devil, and say that it is man that is to blame, not evil spirits.

This is the concept I see that apparently no other Christian has understood for so very long (and I see myself as a forerunner in this), and wish I could get it into the mind of deceived Christians. It is this: a person can sin with his flesh, and be truly innocent of that sin, because it is not his spirit choosing the sin. His flesh has a will contrary to his spirit. He can be bound to “choosing” with his flesh what he will not with his spirit. This is a state of bondage, not real freedom to choose. Study Romans 7. Paul said he never chooses to sin!! He said and states clearly that he does what he will not do, and that it is not him doing the sin, but sin in his flesh that is doing it!! Read it in the Authorized King James.

Where are all my Scriptures? I have already given you Romans 7. But I haven’t room here to quote them all, there are so many. But I’ll quote these. Here is one that shows that God does not forgive the truly guilty but he forgives the truly innocent only. And such are ultimately proved to be innocent by the atonement. For that’s why there is an atonement – to prove innocence even when the law says one is “guilty.”

Exodus 34:6-7 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children’s children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

God appears before Moses and says he will BY NO MEANS CLEAR THE GUILTY. Notice that here God is saying a person can commit iniquity and transgression and sin, and yet not be guilty of those things! Because God will not clear the guilty by ANY MEANS.

What is the main point of the Bible? John the Baptist stated it (the Gospel). “Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.” Take away sin here does not mean making people repent, although that comes as a result. The atonement is not man repenting to God, it is Jesus saying to God that mankind is not truly guilty of sin. The atonement RECONCILES mankind to God. And one cannot be reconciled being guilty of sin! For God is just and must justly destroy the sinners. There are more verses in the Bible saying God will destroy sinners rather than saying he will save them. Because no true sinner can be saved. That is to say, no one who willfully sins in the knowledge of the truth can be saved! In Hebrews it says this.

2 Corinthians 5:18-19 “And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; TO WIT, THAT GOD WAS IN CHRIST, RECONCILING THE WORLD UNTO HIMSELF, NOT IMPUTING THEIR TRESPASSES UNTO THEM; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.”

Who believes this? I can’t find anyone yet. Read carefully, for it is most clear. (The word impute means to attribute.) God says on the cross of Christ or through his sacrifice that he ATTRIBUTES NO SIN TO THE WORLD. Good news! More wonderful than anything you ever heard! It should be! God says to the world that he sees no sin in them. He sees no sin in them even while the world is still going on in sin! GRACE! The offering of Christ is our sins being shown as white as snow to God. They are shown as acts of innocence in the body of Jesus Christ, because he represented us as sinless to God in the flesh.

Following this, God says to therefore be reconciled to him in behaviour, because that, no one who willfully sins in the knowledge of the truth and in being given the light and such grace, will be saved.

You never heard this before, I know.

By: dovelike on December 7, 2018 at 2:23 am

Im just going to quote you:

“It is evident that you appear not to have understood me.”
“I have spent years doing so, and written hundreds of pages proving the truth of the gospel”
“If a person repents however, he proves himself blameless of the sins previously committed”
“to repent is to be sorry and to declare that one did not really mean to sin ‘deep down’ (in his spirit)”

Lev 11:44 For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Lev 11:45 For I am the LORD that bringeth you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: ye shall therefore be holy, for I am holy.

Lev 19:2 Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say unto them, Ye shall be holy: for I the LORD your God am holy.

Lev 20:7 Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I am the LORD your God.

Lev 20:26 And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine.

1Pe 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

Changed by Repenting, looking at your life thru the eyes of a Holy God.

Here is another quote from you:

“This is the concept I see that apparently no other Christian has understood for so very long (and I see myself as a forerunner in this), and wish I could get it into the mind of deceived Christians. It is this: a person can sin with his flesh, and be truly innocent of that sin, because it is not his spirit choosing the sin”.

Here is your delusion, and exactly what your advocating to anyone who reads all your writings:

Generally, people that are given to a reprobate mind, are filled with their own knowledge.

Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

So, you are actually advocating to sin on a original sin Study.

So stop.

bob

By: DIS on December 8, 2018 at 8:41 am

“What is the main point of the Bible? John the Baptist stated it (the Gospel). “Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.” Take away sin here does not mean making people repent, although that comes as a result. The atonement is not man repenting to God, it is Jesus saying to God that mankind is not truly guilty of sin. The atonement RECONCILES mankind to God. And one cannot be reconciled being guilty of sin! For God is just and must justly destroy the sinners. There are more verses in the Bible saying God will destroy sinners rather than saying he will save them. Because no true sinner can be saved. That is to say, no one who willfully sins in the knowledge of the truth can be saved! In Hebrews it says this”.

No, the atonement gives man the opportunity to clear himself of sin via the conviction of the Holy Ghost John 16-8…sinners are most diffently guilty in Jesus eyes, but they can make amends through repentance and crucifying the old man. “Come let us reason together” says God in Isaiah 1-18….

The blood of Christ was for the purpose of justifying God’s mercy that He always desired to extend to mankind. His work established a New Covenant (it is finished), whereas by one Man’s benevolence for mankind that they might be reconciled back to God’s favor in the baptism of repentance, by way of “hilasmos” propitiation/mercy seat of God. Christ is the mercy seat of God, or also translated propitiation for our sin.

note: I perceive that repentance cannot be found in any concordances defined correctly. Only the scriptures will define repentance correctly. 2 Cor. 7-10,11 lays out the zeal that must be applied to be cleared in the matter. And it is capsulized in the epistle of James very well..James 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls…James 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.……..no concordance that I know of defines repentance correctly because they are built upon man’s understanding and Hermenutics, or (the Greek god of wisdom, Hermes)…..I think I once found a fairly good definition of repentance in the “The Compact Bible Dictionary” listed below“Repentance:That divinely wrought conviction of sin within the heart, that the soul is guilty before God, and a resolute turning away from sin, in the which the sinner identifies himself with the gracious act of God in redeeming him. Repentance involves BOTH the change of mind about sin and the heart attitude towards sin. It is at the time a renunciation of sin and the acceptance of the Holy Ghost enablement to holy living. Repentance is NECESSARY to salvation; Jesus asserted that it is a necessary in Matt. 3-2,8, and Matt. 4-17, while both Paul and Peter identified it with true salvation Acts 20-21, 2 Peter 2-9″..….

be blessed, Bill

By: DIS on December 8, 2018 at 4:54 pm

Richard,

Be of good cheer:

Mat_9:2 And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee.

Mat_14:27 But straightway Jesus spake unto them, saying, Be of good cheer; it is I; be not afraid.

Mar_6:50 For they all saw him, and were troubled. And immediately he talked with them, and saith unto them, Be of good cheer: it is I; be not afraid.

Joh_16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Act_23:11 And the night following the Lord stood by him, and said, Be of good cheer, Paul: for as thou hast testified of me in Jerusalem, so must thou bear witness also at Rome.

Act_27:22 And now I exhort you to be of good cheer: for there shall be no loss of any man’s life among you, but of the ship.

Act_27:25 Wherefore, sirs, be of good cheer: for I believe God, that it shall be even as it was told me.

Hello, I’m a technological dummy and mother of 7 young children. I was radically born again at the age of 29 upon hearing the gospel. Jesus Christ is everything to me. I am so grateful that I had absolutely no knowledge of religion prior to my conversion because the Holy Spirit alone has been my guide. I’m a skeptic and completely untrusting of all things human. I can’t tell you how much this has helped me as a believer! I am absolutely so disgusted by the constant chattering every preacher I have ever sat under trying to convince me that I have a “sinful nature”. I was a professional sinner, and not once did I ever think it was because it was the way I was made. I knew as a complete nincompoop that I had a choice. I was very weak and grieved by my sin, but it was always me doing it. Everywhere you go, there you are!

It is in a dog’s “nature” to eat meat. Can you imagine God sending a dog to hell for all of eternity for doing that which is in it’s nature to do? How unjust! Are we no better than dogs? These “preachers” make God an accomplice to sin! Why can’t they see that? It is so sad that I have to sit in church every Sunday listening to this absurd talk being drilled into my children’s minds. I spend the rest of the week trying to undo. I love Jesus and I am pained by his church. I’m sorry, but I feel so sad. I’m to love these people that are constantly trying to put me back under condemnation. I WAS a sinner; I’m now a child of the ALMIGHTY GOD! I can walk boldly before his throne of grace with all confidence because I am covered in the blood of the Lamb! How can I possibly be filled with the Holy Ghost and sin at the same time? This is insanity. If people will just stop listening to their silly doctrines and listen to Jesus, He would tell them the truth. If anyone knows of a “church” anywhere near middle TN that teaches the truth, please let me know… I’ll travel!

We don’t know what the judgment of others is.
We do know we can judge righteousness.

Its very un-righteous to preach another Gospel like born in sin.

Good pastors:
Jer_3:15 And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.

Bad pastors:
Jer_12:10 Many pastors have destroyed my vineyard, they have trodden my portion under foot, they have made my pleasant portion a desolate wilderness.

Jer_22:22 The wind shall eat up all thy pastors, and thy lovers shall go into captivity: surely then shalt thou be ashamed and confounded for all thy wickedness.

Jer_23:1 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.

Jer_23:2 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.

Eph_4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

You study yourself approved unto God.

In Jer 3:15 the Lord gives you pastors.

1 verse, being a pastor

Jer 17:16 As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day; thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right before thee.

Then the Lord tells you the way, not a man.

Psa 119:1 ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
Psa 119:2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
Psa 119:3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
Psa 119:4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
Psa 119:5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
Psa 119:6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.
Psa 119:7 I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.

Greetings Karen, thank you for commenting, much appreciated….In answer to your question; there never was a book of Enoch, nor a book of Noah…The so-called book of Enoch that we see today is a popular fiction book having several authors and written about 700 years ago. Probably Roman Catholic in origin….be blessed, Bill

he is the image and glory of God
forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God

Think about that?

bob

By: DIS on February 16, 2018 at 2:50 pm

It is clear from scripture that God formed, fashioned and made each one of us in our mother’s womb. So to falsely claim that God made us with sin/sinful nature is blasphemy against God who is just and holy in both nature and character. Those who add to what the scripture says make themselves liars according to Proverbs 30:6. Why would anyone with normal intellectual capacity be so persistant about their false “born with sin/sinful nature” that they condemn themselves? Also how could one repent of his alleged “original sin/sinful nature” if he did nothing to acquire it? One could run around all day long trying to repent of someone else’s sin and it would not do him or anyone else any good. The “original sin/born with a sinful nature” philosophy is completely unintelligible.

Speaking of Adam (original sin)
Romans 5 verse 8
Therefore as by the offence of one (Adam) judgment came upon ALL men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one (Jesus Christ) the free
gift came upon ALL men unto justification of life.
verse 19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners so the
obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Jesus Christ is my Saviour and the world needs a Saviour. Jesus came for the sinners and to save the lost.

We are lost because of the original sin. We are all sinners. Why condemn each other?

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

We are all slaves because of the original sin and because we are flesh.
Slaves do not have free will, they need a Redeemer a Saviour that is Jesus
Christ.

Why not preach the Gospel the Good News that Jesus Christ will in due time
save us all? Or are you all not in need of a Saviour?

Colossians 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

I am happy everyone on this site does not sin. If so then you may cast a stone at me.

Greetings Maria…. Are you speaking of the vile sins that Paul said would disqualify a person from inheriting the kingdom? Or are you speaking of stumbles, mishaps, mistakes and sins of ignorance because we as humans are flawed and made subject to vanity for our own good? Are you saying that vile sin is the forgone conclusion of the gospel? Whereas Jesus and the apostles teach that righteousness is the forgone conclusion of a godly repentance. Lest how could Jesus COMMAND that woman to “go and sin no more”? Did He command her to do the impossible? If so, that would be illogical. However, HE is the “Word” (Logos) and completely logical.

You say Jesus came to save sinners..I agree>>> What did Jesus come to save the sinners from? Answer..Their sin. If one is saved from sin do they still continue in sin? The Apostle John said not to let men deceive us “he that does righteousness IS righteous, and he that sins is of the devil.

Romans 7, Paul was speaking of Paul’s’ former condition, and Romans 8-2 clarifies that. Read Romans 6,7,8 in full context.

God said that Zacharias and Elizabeth were BLAMELESS and keeping ALL the commandments. How could they do it but Christians who say they have the Spirit cannot? Note: Even though Zacharias and Elizabeth were BLAMELESS (a perfect heart for God in obedience) dose not mean they didn’t need a Savior. I’m quite sure they too had sins of ignorance, but not vile sins that will send them to hell.

The “not needing a Savior” is a tireless STRAW-MAN. In other words not needing Christ justifies one’s continuance in sin? That’s completely illogical and unbiblical. The simple stories of Cornelius and Lydia should put that myth to rest.

Cornelius was ALREADY a “just man”, and of one heart, devout towards God. Yet he still needed a Savior. Innocent babies have NO sin yet they still need a Savior. How can they be risen from the grave if not?

I don’t know why some hate the message of repentance and forsaking sin. It was the first words from John the baptizer, Jesus, and Peter on the day of Pentecost. Man sins in rebellion to God, not because he was born that way. Sin has no substance or atomic weight. Its not a THING, its a choice. The rebellion to God must stop in repentance and a SEASON of goodly sorrow or it will never stop……………..

Actually we are to condemn no one, but judge all things righteously. Nowhere on this website have I ever said “so and so” is in hell. All men have a chance to repent as long as they are still breathing…To say that babies are born in sin is placing an unjust condemnation upon them..Ezekiel 18 makes that clear “the soul that’s sins he shall die” The son doesn’t inherit sin from his father.…Neither virtue nor sin is transferable .. ….. Ezekiel also said that it is an abomination to call a righteous man a sinner. The bible says all “have” sinned (past tense action) and come short of the glory God. Sin is something we have chosen to do, not something we are born with. However it can be reversed in repentance unto life..

All that we inherited from Adam is our flesh genetics and the consequences of his sin, “ie” (Physical death, infirmities, and sinful influences everywhere). The flesh (sarx) cannot sin. It’s the freewill choice of the soul that sins. “the soul that sins it shall die” ………………………dig deep and learn of His word and be blessed always, Bill

Amen and amen! It is nice to see someone else with a correct understanding of this out there, it is certainly few and FAR between! Spot on that sinful nature is a doctrine of devils. And it was great to see your correct comment about Romans 7 being Paul’s pre salvation experience which is abundantly obvious if you can read simple King James English, that he is showing the power of the law which only has power over a LOST individual! Great article! God bless!

By: SH on July 23, 2016 at 10:38 pm

Thanks for you honest about the truth in scripture, it’s like a breath of fresh air. I have researched the issue of “original sin”, “sinful nature” very extensively and have found it to be an excruciatingly wicked and evil philosophy. The words “sinful nature” are not found together any place in scripture, the two words put together juxtaposes (changes) the meaning of both words and the false concept implied is a direct violation of scripture.
The passage in Psalm 51:5 which is wrongly used to claim “original sin”/”sinful nature” is clearly talking about David’s mother’s sin. It shows that David was formed in the womb of a sinful woman and that David’s mother was living in the sin of adultery when he was conceived and born. In II Samuel 17:25 and I Chronicles 2:15-16 we find that David had two half sisters, Abigail and Zeruiah who were also daughters of Nahash. We also find that Nahash was still living when David was conceived via Jesse and his mother Nitzivet. So it is clear that in the text of Psalm 51:1-4 David was repenting and lamenting his sin of adultery with Bathsheba and in verse five David as an adult was specifically lamenting the adulterous condition of his mother when he was born. A person has to have help from Satan to believe that children are born with sin or a sinful nature, because the spirit and soul for every child born comes directly from God who is righteous and holy. Also sin is an immoral act and cannot possibly be transferred as a chemical substance through DNA from one’s parents. Ezekiel 18:20

The Doctrine of Original Sin asks us all to blindly accept guilt, without proof, for a transgression which supposedly happened six thousand years before any of us existed. This contradicts the American concept of justice, wherein we are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

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The myth of original sin is the most perfect excuse that was ever invented by man to continue in sin. It has resulted in multitudes of false converts who have never been truly converted but have fashioned themselves as Christians and lead others into the lie generation after generation a form of godliness >a Christian veneer, has been used to cover all of this . They miss-use the scripture to support their fallacies, claiming that they see the light and understand the deeper things of God, but because their eye is not single, the whole body is full of darkness. (Matt. 6:23-24). To them scripture supports the lie and they will use it in such a manner that many followers in the congregations will be confused and deceived into believing what these false prophets teach; simply because they WILL NOT search the scriptures for themselves. The bible does not teach the things that mainstream Christianity (the False Religious System) believes in. Original Sin is at the top of the dung hill of false doctrines. It tickles the ears of millions and brings them into a strong delusion that is almost IMPOSSIBLE to escape from.. It will require steadfast diligence on your part, laboring in the word in order to break free of this Satanic lie and escape the deception. Start with repentance, dig deep, and build on the Rock of Truth.. Because the lords of darkness in the pulpits and Christian book stores continue to teach that nan is born a sinner, it results in the following conditions:
1. No real clearing of sin through repentance takes place, because they believe that no one can stop sinning 2. Jesus obeyed for you, because you can’t Obey Him 3. Sin is treated as a disease not as a crime against God 4. The message is softened to excuse sinful behavior to add numbers to the congregations and build up tithes 5. The power of God’s Grace becomes un-conditional and the myth of un-merited favor becomes an acceptable covering for sin 6. Jesus becomes your substitute, not your example to follow after 7. God does not see you sinning, He only see’s Jesus not sinning in your place…