Islamophobes and Sensitive Muslims

The remotion of the six imams of recent infamy has caused quite a stir in American media affairs. Originally, prayer was the suggested cause of suspicion, but US Airways spokesperson Andrea Rader claims,

“prayer was never the issue. She said the passenger overheard anti-U.S. statements and the men got up and moved around the airplane.” (L. Miller, AP; Washington Post)

Meanwhile, an interfaith group led by returning Imam Omar Shahin, one of the original six staged a “pray-in” on Monday, November 27. The Imam was joined by Muslims, a Christian Minister and Jewish Rabbi who also performed prayers in the terminal.

I find this interesting because if in fact the action taken by US Airways was prompted by anti-American discourse then the religious leader’s efforts were worth very little, especially if they were not travelling by getting on an actual US Airway flight. It would be more helpful to discuss what was said, and what of that discussion is considered anti-American. I think the real story lies in that discussion and what was overheard and unless this becomes part of the story it is just a pony-show for more Islamophobes and sensitive Muslims.

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I don’t believe anything “anti-american” was said. The person who made these claims should come forward and give us the full details or apologize. I’d wager this racist idiot doesn’t know a word of Arabic. If anything, its time to eject and heavily fine such trouble makers. remember those 3 medical students who went through hell because some hillbilly butterhog confabulated a lie about them “bringing things down”?
I remember telling an old white coot to keep his eyes to himself( “you like something you see, take a picture buddy”) when he started giving me dirty looks on a flight to Chicago years ago.
Thats why I always take non-white airlines when traveling internationally. The blacker and browner, the better.

Not so fast Omar… you must ask yourself, ‘what is being implied by racial profiling?’ Once one answers that question honestly then maybe one can make a reasonable rebuttal. Racial profiling is simply the wrong way to go… its a step backwards and anti-islamic. So rather than making jokes of the brother’s apprehension you might look to feel your brothers pain… especially if its a pain you do not share.

Abu Sahajj, that’s like asking a Malcom X to feel the pain of a Klansman! I sense a little Brown privelage here: whites have to sympathize but for all others, its open season on honkey… come on, this guys proabably misprescribes medications to his white patients to even the score a little. Would *you* trust a reverse-racist with your health??

Brown privilege? Ha! What a neoClown moron. So says the fake Muslim trolling around in white sheets. Expecting common sense from you is like drinking mineral water from a mirage.
White racists raise false alarms on planes and us coloreds are supposed to just nip it in the bud eh? I don’t think so goober. You’d scream bloody murder if your bacon was tossed off a plane by some joker passing notes. I guess you’ll learn when you’ve been treated in such a way, but we all know that munafiqs hopped up on white privilege rarely go through such an experience. Thanks for your contribution, but if I had wanted to hear from somebody with your IQ, I’d be at my local supermarket talking to the vegetables.

Yes it is DB… and I am finding that the lines of prejudice are not Black & White as they were in the past but race along with socio-political and ethno-religious affiliations as well. The complicated mess, that has been underlying multilateral social relations since the first World War are painfully obvious in todays geo-political sphere. Ultimately, the infinte spectrum of ideas must result in a solution that has yet to be produced as suggested by Susan Buck-Morss,

“While each stratum of the global public sphere stuggles for coherence, the whole is marked by contradictions. We coexist immanently, within the same discursive space but without mutual comprehension, lacking the shared cultural apparatus necessary to sustain sociability.”

Buck-Morss concludes that,

“We are in the same boat pulling against each other and causing enormous harm to the material shell that sustains us. But there is no Archimedean point in space at which we could station ourselves while putting the globe in dry-rock for repairs – no option, then, except the slow and painful task of a radically open communication that does not presume that we already know where we stand.” (S. Buck-Morss, Thinking Past Terror: Islamism and Critical Theory on the Left)

I could not find a more objective description of our overall socio-political condition of the global public sphere than this… and she is right, great resolve from a humanist’s standpoint will take a revolution of sorts, a resistance to the alignment and realignment with intellectual molds and patterns of the past, many of these patterns mere remnants of socio and geo-political strengths of the Cold War.

Its going to take a convergence of intellectuals… however this convergence may in fact be initiated by mere lays or working class for the benefit of the working class, as Camus has implied is the purpose of a true resistance.

Talk about a weak watered down response gumby. Your supposed patents on metaphors aside, a supporter of racial profiling and white privilege is most likely to be the idiot running about in white sheets.
BTW, impersonating Muslims is haram, as are your antics in the closet(don’t ask, don’t tell only goes so far even for the military). Oh well, at least you only charge what your free advice is worth, kkkonehead.

Terrorist sympathizers and racists like you deserve to be profiled and alot more…you’re just upset that good old america won’t rollover like the European puppy to acomodate the demands of people who *choose* to live in a new and different culture from thier own. Too bad, that’s life. Its people like you who run around Taliban or Lashkar jihad training camps thinking Allah favors them.

Wrong on all counts as usual, loser….”terrorist sympathizers”? Ha! Don’t confuse me with scum who gangrape 14 year old girls in Iraq, and now the Philipines. You’re no different then the taliban and every other group of trash hopped up on your jingoistic tribal delusions. “Racist”? So says the filth who defends racial profiling. If you think a bunch of inbred paranoid pigmentless race baiting maggots can falsely cry wolf and mistreat innocent people minding their own business, you’ve got another thing coming. It aint the 1950s anymore, sleazeball.
Got that grand dragon KKKonehead? Maybe you wouldn’t read like such a pathetic loser if you didn’t have that botched back street lobotomy that left you that crisscrossed shoelace scar on your forehead. One more thing, quit pretending to be a Muslim, and go back to the Aryan Nations pig sty.

What “race” are Muslims Patb? Generally speaking, they aren’t white European caucasians, thats usually enough to classify them as a homogenized other. I know how islamophobic cretins resort to the “I can’t be racist, because Muslims aren’t a race.” To you however, Muslims do constitute a “race.”
Try harder troll.

No, Muslims do not constitute a ‘race’ by any reasonable ethnic definition.
As with most letters I see written on this blog the consistant writers use whatever ‘psuedo-logic’ suites them to support thier own oppinions.
This, combined with the obvious display of hatred and lack of respect, reduces the arguments presented to street corner vitriol.

“No, Muslims do not constitute a ‘race’ by any reasonable ethnic definition.”

Your argument is in vain, because I do not think that anyone is implying that Muslims are a ‘race’ but a spectrum of ethnicities, some of which are a majority and others a minority. The visual representation was supposed to give you an idea where the majorities and therefore who most of the criticisms lie against.

Sir,
Actually I was refering to the use of ‘racism’ as it applies to it’s use in the discussion. Racism refers to an ethnicity issue. I’ve seen the term racism, as a push button device, used a lot lately by many Muslims.
I do remember the Islamofascism debate and the argument that it was improper because of the strict definition of fascism. Agreed.
You can’t have it both ways when it comes to word use.

Words are powerful and certain words more powerful than others.
Racism is a powerful word in the US and has obvious negative connotations and as such is often used as a trump card, conversation stopper, in inappropriate applications to squelch debate or gain the moral high ground (i.e. lack of gay rights equates to racial injustice). The use of the term here, as applied to Islam, gives the appearance of flying false colors to use the power of the term and actually undermines the argument of the user.
Racism is “hatred or intolerance for another race or races” and is not intolerance of a ‘concept’ or ‘religious group’.
If unsavory groups or individuals point this out it is because the error is obvious and you will have armed your enemies.

I may have lost the trail on your intent.
The Nazi party, a special bunch of loons akin to the KKK and NOI, do have racism as a central pillar of their party.
However, their religious dislikes extend to all, Jews, Christians, and everyone else that believes in a God that would supplant the State Supreme Govt. Islam and Muslims are just the latest group to be added.
As a side note though, historically, the 3rd Reich had a great deal of support from Islamic Imams and political leaders prior to and during the second WW so our most recent Nazi idiots don’t know their history.
I still don’t see the general racist definition use based upon the Nazi thing. Too general.
If I’ve misconstrued or missed your point set me back on the path.

“However, their religious dislikes extend to all, Jews, Christians, and everyone else that believes in a God that would supplant the State Supreme Govt.”

Oversimplification, is a deception that can either be used to help the people or hurt the people. This statement PatB is an oversimplification. But anyhow, the point of introducing the article was to say that the adopted form of Muslim-bashing on the rise in Britain provided the opportunity for Nazi’s continue the anti-everything not anglo or aryan (or whatever) without being called racists and placed on the front page of every news paper. In fact it drew supporters saying their angst wasn’t against a race but an ideology, racism masked in cultural intolerance and therefore mildly acceptable, thats all.

Quite frankly, I’ve called ni**er, sand-ni**er and an f***ing terrorist and they all felt the same to me.

I understand your reaction based upon your experience.
Experience, to oneself or observed, is a teacher of certain finality.
To many with limited exposure to Islam the collective experience has been very negative and has lead to the ‘phobia’ (although false fear maybe a misnomer) that exists today.
Today, from my experience, I fear the increase of Muslims in the US. I fear it based upon what is done in it’s name, the expressed intentions of many of the religions leaders and what I see in predominately Islamic states. I just do not see secular moderates in positions of authority.
I may be wrong but my experience makes me nervous.
I sincerely believe the ‘Flying Imams’ planned their actions to draw attention and wanted to be expelled from the flight so they could cry ‘racism’ or Islamophobia and make a public statement, preferably in court.
Please don’t overeact to the above as it relates to my ‘fears’ as I am just being honest and many Americans have the same fear, some founded, some unfounded.

“Today, from my experience, I fear the increase of Muslims in the US. I fear it based upon what is done in it’s name, the expressed intentions of many of the religions leaders and what I see in predominately Islamic states.”

With all due respect Pat, that is bologna, there are billions of Muslims in the world. If there were a united Islamic threat against the US it doesn’t matter where you position youself in the US or otherwise. But since the threat you are so afraid of begins in your own suspicions, for you there is no resolve or solution except counceling, which I suggest for you (all bones aside).

“There are billions of Muslims everywhere” is true. I am speaking about the vocal Muslim/Islamic leadership.
Take CAIR for example, the most ‘in the news’ representative of US Islam. What they espouse is generally sensical in writing but how many of the leaders/founders have proven ties to terrorist/extremist organizations. Have been videoed making extemely violent messages at rallies etc.
My ‘fears’ are not imaginary shadows of the mind but simply based upon statements of Islamic leadership.
The President of Iran prays for the return of the ‘hidden Imam’ at the UN and later says he and the Ayatollah are in consult with ‘him’.
If you do not see the problems of present day Islam that could impact the continuity of our way of life then you probably need councelling in reality.

CAIR does not have any ties to terrorist organizations, PatB. Quit repeating rubbish you scavenged from some terrorism-promoting zionist neocon website. I bet you also believe the hoax of the yellow badges in Iran don’t you? Oh yes, the “hidden imam” speech, the one where the world was going to end on August 28 right? Your ignorance and racism expose you for the right wing shill that you are. Have you ever noticed that whenever you sit behind a keyboard, some idiot starts typing?
Christofascist armageddonist terrorists are the ones trying to end the world with their stupid Rapture acid trip. “Way of life” indeed. Get a grip on reality you lying fundamentalist lunatic.

DrM.
Thanks, you are a primary case in point.
You excuse the most extreme examples of Islamic leadership automatically, ignore documented proceedings and public conversation and make counter accusations laced with childish name calling.
You give the impression you would ‘side’ with any Muslim organization or activity, even violent activity in the name of Islam, out of rote duty as ‘at least they are not kafr’.
Your often demonstrated knee jerk verbal reactions combined with the leadership issue I’ve noted is the basis for the argument.
Sir, you are a poster child for ‘if you don’t stop calling us violent we’ll cut off your head’.

You’re full of it PatB, your lies are getting dull. Put up or shut up. Don’t act innocent when peddling your disdainful anti-Muslim stereotypes, you vile hypocrite. Tell us your sources of information. What? MEMRI, WorldNutDaily and the usual smear sites where you get your third hand information and spin from? It’s truly amazing the way you never let an idea interrupt the flow of your typing, but then, making sense isn’t your area of expertise, is it? Must be the anxiety for the “rapture.”
The topic of the post is the behavior of racist idiots like you who got the six imams thrown off a plane, so don’t give me the usual knee jerk “but but but Ahmedinejad said this, CAIR is bad, you”ll cut my head off” spiel. Not only childish, but utterly dishonest in your pathetic attempts to steer the discussion away to your favorite strawman. Interesting that beheadings didn’t even start until war criminals invaded a country over a pack of lies. English is your second language, isn’t it? You don’t have a first. Just as the strength of a solitary brick will not save a poorly built structure, your bold typeface does not redeem your craven incoherent words.

Sir,
One can almost see the phlegm on your lips as you scream invectives at your computer.
If I disagree with your point of view I am a ‘hater’.
Have you not read your own hate filled postings? You don’t argue a point you scream your opinion and if one does not agree they are labeled with whatever childish slur comes to your lips.
You talk about sterotypes but disdain whole races.
I take people one person at a time and allow them to define their position. You have defined yours, but I was aware of it from reading your other threads.
I still believe that the Islamic/Muslim leadership creates a great deal of the negative environment that accosts Islam today. I agree that there are Islamophobes that are witless and uneducated.
One of the primary problems is the tie between religion and state in Islamic countries. Doing secular politically motivated work in Gods name tends to color the religion in a negative way and allows for interpretaion on many fronts.
The amount of verified threatening comments from Muslim/Islamic leaders is so vast and common as to be beyond discussion.
I consider an Islamic leader to be; a head of state, a prominent Imam or Sheik; politoco-Islamic organizations; or prominent Islamic teachers/scholars.

p.s. the beheadings began over 1385 years ago and were documented rather well.

Give it a rest, Pat. You’ve been recycling the same racist drivel over and over in all its dullness and inaccuracy. You cite no sources, as I knew you wouldn’t. Your comments have nothing to do with the topic of the post. You’re just a one trick Islamophobic pony with your slanderous lying triad of “What Iran said, CAIR and beheadings.” The beheadings in particular are a red herring, if you had any clue as to what you were talking about you’d know that beheadings date back to the Greeks and Romans, practiced widely in Europe until very recently and hardly exclusive to Muslims. See, I know how racist and maliciously ignorant bastards like you think, Pat. You would be out of your depth in a parking lot puddle.
I know hypocritical creatures like you who support terrorism as against the peoples of Iraq, killing hundreds of thousands of them with the latest weaponry, based on a pack of lies don’t care about beheadings. Not counting the sheer hubris of Christofascist fundamentalist fanatics urging others to go “secular” while they try to bring about the end of the world through their armageddonist pipe dream.
In future, wake up the dozy peglegged hamster operating that wheel-powered brain of yours before you start typing.

Interesting point about the beheadings Doc and I agree that at that period of history Muhammed acted no differently than any other warlord. This action was the norm.
The difference is in the interpretation by terrorists of today.
If Muhammed was/is the perfect example of human kind, and I’ve oft heard that, then replicating his demonstrated actions can not be argued. This is the ‘beheading’ issue as the literal interpretation and religious justification cannot be denied in the activities seen today. Terrorists support their position with the Qur an and quote line and verse in their literal translation. I have not seen many Italians lately lopping off heads because the ancient Romans did. You know that so why do you pretend otherwise?
Iraq; the majority of the death and destruction in that country is Shia-Sunni’s killing each other in a power struggle. Granted Sadam kept his thumb on the Shia’s/Kurds and dealt harshly with any issue but once he was gone the old enmities arose again. If the two Islams were not fighting in that country (Iran supporting one side-SA the other covertly) there would be enough peace to start a reasonable Govt.
I suppose you support the Taliban too, great fellas that they are.
Another question Doc; did Muslim fanatics fly into the world trade center/pentagon or was that a Zionist plot aided by our own Govt? Were they fanatics of freedom fighters? I know we are off subject but I just wonder?

I see you’ve set aside this special time to humiliate yourself on the Internet. It sounds like English, it even looks like English, but I can’t understand a word you’re blabbering. Rumor has it that you are almost incomprehensible in person (as revealed by your desperate urge to babble nonsensically on message boards.) No doubt, this rumor is true. The rapture christofascist terrorist routine is getting dull as your pathetic smears wear down. Big talk for a lying right wing gutter snipe with fables and revisionist spin about ficticious WMDs.
Your repetitive, off-topic, ahistorical, disingenuous and racist nonsense is laughable. No sources as usual, just evasive, tangentical illiterate white trash claptrap, Ann Coulter style. Typical of the breed. I suggest you need Mark Twain’s advice : “It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.”

Sir,
Doc, I don’t know what lead to your racism and I am sorry if your personal experiences with whites has been negative.
That should not happen but does. Like I said, I take people one at a time and not by race.
I do not, however, have the ‘white guilt’ syndrome that excuses racism in others for the sins of folks I have had no control or influence on.
I don’t think you have the ability to discuss an issue with a person of another color or religion because of your racism. It seems to influence all and any expression you make.
I truley hope you can find some peace in your anger.
I mean that and am not being flippant.
Racism and anger can destroy this country and what it was meant to be.
Good luck in the future.

Yawn…still at it I see, so spare the spin. Anybody who has read your posts can see who is the racist here, as is your inability to address the topic at hand… just posting broad based nonsense you cut and paste from anti-Muslim websites. I don’t hate white people, just ignorant bigoted white trash.

Doc,
All of this is from court recordings or congressional hearings on Cair.
CAIR was formed in or about 1994 by Omar Ahmad (“Ahmad”) and Nihad Awad (“Awad”), then officers of an organization known as the “Islamic Association for Palestine” (“IAP”).

4. IAP is, and was at all times relevant; a radical Islamic fundamentalist organization that believes Islam is in conflict with “Western Civilization.” IAP is dedicated to the destruction and overthrow of the State of Israel, which it deems an impermissible Western intrusion in the Muslim world. IAP’s ideology is presented on its website as follows:

[T]he real nature of the conflict is a civilizational conflict waged between, on the one land (sic) Islamic Civilization with its divinely inspired laws and mission to create on this earth the society of justice and freedom which has been ordained by God; and on the other hand, Western Civilization with its materialistic culture, worship of ethnicity and the state, and denial of God’s supremacy. The existence of a Jewish state in the heart of the Muslim World…is symbolic of the weakness of the Muslim Ummah and Muslims’ own straying from the path of Islam in embracing imported ideologies…the Blessed Lands of Palestine do not belong to the Palestinians or Arabs alone but to all Muslims, and only when the Muslim’s (sic) return to their faith and see the conflict in its real terms can they liberate Palestine as was done in the 12th Century by Salah al-Din Al-Ayyubi who, while not an Arab, knew his Islamic responsibility in undertaking the civilization struggle against the West…
The Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology and Homeland Security held the second in a series of hearings aimed at examining Saudi Arabia’s role in exporting Islamic extremism abroad. The hearing, titled “Two Years After 9/11: Connecting the Dots,” was focused on the prevalence of the radical Wahhabi Islamic sect among Muslim political groups in the U.S. CAIR Executive Director Nihad Awad and Chairman Omar Ahmed were invited to testify at the hearing, but both declined to attend. In their absence – and in front of their empty witness chair – the committee heard compelling evidence that Saudi Arabia financially and ideologically supports a network of American organizations that act as the defenders, financiers, and front groups of international terrorists. CAIR has been a major player in this network since its creation in 1994, with a particularly soft spot for the suicide-bombing death squads of Hamas.
….just hours before the hearing, news services reported that former CAIR official Bassem K. Khafagi had pleaded guilty to charges of visa and bank fraud in federal court in Detroit. The charges were brought against Khafagi for his role with the Islamic Assembly of North America, a group that has advocated violence against the United States and is believed to have funneled money to organizations with terrorist connections. At the time of his arrest, Khafagi was Community Affairs director with CAIR. (Later he pleaded guilty and was deported to Egypt).

p.s. Cair withdrew (closed session) their anti-defamation law suit when they realized they would have to provide the court with all of their fiscal records indicating who they received money from and what organizations they sent money to. They did not want to self incriminate.

Doc,
I’m not exactly alone in this opinion.
(Opinion Article from a Stanford Prof.)
Read any newspaper or turn on any news broadcast and you’re bound to encounter stories of Islamic radicals fighting, killing and threatening each other – and just about everyone else.

In Somalia, jihadists, with the support of al-Qaida, have clashed with troops loyal to the country’s internationally recognized interim government and now threaten neighboring Ethiopia with all-out war.

Nearby in Darfur, Muslim militiamen called janjaweed are waging genocide against black Christian and animist villagers – apparently with the consent of the Sudanese government.

Shiite and Sunni militias, each claiming to represent true Islam, keep slaughtering each other in Iraq.

Hezbollah (“Party of God”) seeks to destroy democracy in Lebanon by provoking Israel, which it is sworn to eliminate.

On the West Bank, Hamas and Fatah have taken a timeout from their attacks on Israel to murder each other and innocent bystanders.

The Iranian Shiite theocracy – when not hosting Holocaust deniers or sending terrorists into Iraq – issues serial pledges to finish off Israel.

The shaky Pakistani leadership pleads that it can neither target Osama bin Laden nor stop Taliban jihadists hiding out in the remote regions of Pakistan from streaming back into Afghanistan.

In Europe, opera producers, novelists, cartoonists and filmmakers are increasingly circumspect out of fear of death threats from Islamists.

While each conflict is unique and rooted in its own history, the common thread – radical Islam – is obvious. It’s thus worth asking why this violent, intolerant strain of Islam has taken hold in so many unstable places – and at this particular time.

The ascent of radical Islam is, perhaps, the natural culmination of a century’s worth of failed political systems in Muslim countries that were driven by morally bankrupt ideologies, led by cruel dictators, or both.

In the 1930s, German-style fascism appealed to Arabs in Palestine and Egypt. Soviet-style communism had sympathetic governments in Afghanistan, Algeria and Yemen. Baathism took hold in Syria and Iraq. The secular Egyptian dictator Gamal Abdel Nasser promised a new pan-Arabism that would do away with colonial borders that divided the “the Arab nation.” Then there is the more pragmatic authoritarianism that survives in Muammar el-Qaddafi’s Libya or in the petrol-monarchies in the Gulf.

Radical Islam may be as totalitarian and as morally bankrupt as any of these past or mostly defunct “isms,” but its current appeal isn’t hard to figure out. Unlike fascism or communism, radical Islam is locally grown, and not plagued by charges of foreign contamination. Indeed, Islamists claim to wage jihad against the modernism and globlization of the outside, mostly Westernized world. Such a message resonates in stagnant, impoverished Muslim countries.

Of course, while the people of the region may be poor, the Islamist movement isn’t. Huge oil profits filter throughout the Muslim world, allowing Islamists to act on their rhetoric. In today’s world, militias can easily acquire everything from shoulder-held anti-aircraft missiles to rocket-propelled grenades. With such weapons, and on their own turf, Islamists can nullify billion-dollar Western jets and tanks.

There is still another reason for the rise of Islamists: They sense a new hesitation in the West. We appear to them paralyzed over oil prices and supplies and fears of terrorism. And so they have also waged a brilliant propaganda war, adopting the role of victims of Western colonialism, imperialism and racism. In turn, much of the world seems to tolerate their ruthlessness in stifling freedom, oppressing women and killing nonbelievers.

So how, aside from killing jihadist terrorists, can we defend ourselves against the insidious spread of radical Islam? Here are a few starting suggestions:

Bluntly identify radical Islam as fascistic – without worrying whether some Muslims take offense when we will talk honestly about the extremists in their midst.

At the same time, keep encouraging consensual governments in the Middle East and beyond that could offer people security and prosperity, while distancing ourselves from illegitimate dictators, especially in Syria and Iran, that promote terrorists.

Establish that no more autocracies in the Middle East and Asia will be allowed to get the bomb.

Seek energy independence that would collapse the world price of oil, curbing petrodollar subsidies for terrorists and our own appeasement of their benefactors.

Appreciate the history and traditions of a unique Western civilization to remind the world that we have nothing to apologize for but rather much good to offer to others.

Finally, keep confident in a war in which our will and morale are every bit as important as our overwhelming military strength. The jihadists claim that we are weak spiritually, but our past global ideological enemies – Nazism, fascism, militarism and communism – all failed. And so will they.

Victor Davis Hanson is a classicist and historian at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, and author, most recently, of “A War Like No Other: How the Athenians and Spartans Fought the Peloponnesian War.” You can reach him by e-mailing author@victorhanson.com.

you are dreaming,just wakeup.as every body know Islam is not like communism and other failed ideologes.I really need to open your mind to know whatr really Islam mean.at last i don’t whant to explain our ideology I want to assure you one thing i.e Islam is not the same as you trying to explain it.

Doc,
One final comment on your ‘people of color’, any other than ‘white’ comment.
I find it interesting that you always mention race, racism etc. and yet Islam has always been tolerant of slavery.
Owning slaves was not outlawed in Saudi Arabia until 1962 and the majority of household slaves were blacks from the Darfur sub sahara region that they still come from today. The Umma had to be aware of this as with all of the Hajj muslims seeing this slavery first hand. Slaves are still traded/sold in Muslim countries today (UN report on Darfur and human rights).
The Arabic word for black ‘Abd’ is still universally used as another term for servant/slave in SA today.
Ironic that the Nation of Islam (I know you do not subscribe to their racism, illustration only) called the white man the devil, took Islam as a people of color religion, and made the Hajj to a country that still had blck slaves.

Calling you dull is a gross underestimation of just how tedious you are. You have the personality of a damp sponge and the appeal of a moldy sweat sock. Now you’re diverting the attention to slavery? …No citation of sources, certainly no comments related to the topic of the post, just distraction about CAIR, beheadings, the easter bunny, on and on and on. Believe me o christofascist you do NOT want to start a tangent on slavery, given your history. You can keep globe trotting your cut and paste antics all you want, but its very clear that you indeed are a bigot and a racist, not to mention an inept reich wing extremist… incapable of any dialogue.
To sum up: you are about as smart as your rubber bow tie and two left shoes suggest…

Doc,
Why Doc, you silly guy you, you’re just a race baiter.
I note you do not dispute the Islamic slavery issue though, and by the way Doc, I don’t have a slavery issue, never owned one or condoned the practice. That’s classic Doc, ignore the facts and make counter accusations. You’d do well on Jesse’s team.
I’ve never seen you document a single statement you’ve ever made Doc.

Have you two noticed the title of this article – Islamophobes & Sensitive Muslims – ironically you both have harmonized with it quite well. To the point – that is hardly debatable – I think PatB you have proved yourself a certifiable Islamophobe, while DrM has unequivocally shown us his responsiveness to stimuli.

I agree with you Hakim. DrM may be a little quick on the draw but I think its safe to say that he put a hater like Pat in his place. Everything he posts sounds like racist… picked up from Dan Pipes.
Any comment(s) not pertaining to the main post ought to be deleted IMHO.

Gents,
I am fearful of Islam as I see it in todays world. I have never said otherwise. I was pointing out why; what I see in Islamic leadership and the lack of disention from the rank and file.
I disagree with Islamophobe because that is a false fear. I believe there is a reason to fear.
The good Doc is simply a racist and can’t get beyond that point.