I would have to say that after watching that video twice, I would have to laugh at the comment made by McCaffery about the drivers being "articulate". I would be willing to bet that more than half of the drivers can't even SPELL the word much less display the actual act.

Glad you chimed in Warren. Here's your quote backing up Swoody. You were dead wrong too.

Man enough to admit it?

Will you stop already with trying to reason, rationalize and present actual evidence to conspiracy theorists and anti-Illinois racing folks. You have a better chance of winning the powerball than convinicing the harbingers or should I say the harpies of gloom and doom.

Will you stop already with trying to reason, rationalize and present actual evidence to conspiracy theorists and anti-Illinois racing folks. You have a better chance of winning the powerball than convinicing the harbingers or should I say the harpies of gloom and doom.

I didn't think you'd be man enough to admit you were wrong, Warren, but i held out some hope.Oh well...

EXACTLY what do you want? I was wrong, it was not in that particular interview. I do know that someone said it. Not sure who now. But now you've got me on the trail of who said and in what interview.Will you admit the bingo idea is/was a bad one when it fails dismally ? ANY one with an ounce of intelligence KNOWS that bingo players are NOT horse players. IS the idea of INCREASING the handle foreign to some ? THAT'S supposed to be the idea. Or do you just want 1,000 people there watching the bingo ? It's good for the track because those 1,000 people will be buying concessions but the horsemen do NOT get a cut of that. Horsemen should only be concerned with the HANDLE. And what cut they get out of that. It's amazing how people lose focus of what's important.

If they come out to the track, there is a good chance they will bet at least a few races. You have to develop handicappers, they don't just appear.

No, there isn't. People who play bingo are NOT going to wager on horse races. It isn't in their circle. Take a card player to a slot room and he will just sit there. And even if they did, how much would they bet ? $2? $4? Just like when they have their "free voucher" nights. How much higher is the handle ? Not at all. The ones who win are the concessions and the booze sellers. Horsemen get NOTHING of that. A lot of people betting nothing to speak of. The tracks need gamblers and honest racing. Not people who bet 4 or 6 dollars a visit.

Will you stop already with trying to reason, rationalize and present actual evidence to conspiracy theorists and anti-Illinois racing folks. You have a better chance of winning the powerball than convinicing the harbingers or should I say the harpies of gloom and doom.

With those rose colored glasses, the Cubs must be winning the World Series, huh?

Instead of *** about it supernaut bring something to the table on getting handle increased. You can start by giving reasons to getting the whales back who all swam to the Thoroughbred game because of deeper pools. And no bullshit about late closers at the end of the year. Does nothing. Went out to Balmoral Sunday when they had a 168k pick 5 maybe 30 people in the place. I'm starting to believe it is a dead game. When you have Tampa Bay downs on a week day handling 600k per a race there is something very wrong with Harness racing.

carryover or not sundays especially sunday night's during nfl season will never be a winner at a track out in the booniesplenty of people have to go to worlk mondays and you killed them with that trip from balmoralimo it makes no sense to race 1 day at bal then 2 days at maywood and back to bal for 2 days give maywood wed and sunday and bal thurs fri and sat nitesthe mile tracks outhandle all other tracks and you are losing revenue on fri nites by racing at maywoodeliminate the smaller payout for live on track customers at balmoral vs those playing at a otb in indianatry an accurate post time for the races 10 mtp does not mean 15 or moreguarateed seeded p5's and p4's of at least $20k not waiting for a carryover to stir interest

i have more but they will not do the simplest of things because mgmt does not carei fogot who invited me to meet with mgmt but only 2 people were to sho and mgmt did not feel that was important enuff to meet with us so they canceledthey had no idea how much either of us wagered in a yr yet blew us off

I hate to jump on the bandwagon but you're wrong again , I recently had a work outing at Maywood where four out of the 12 people played Bingo and went to the casinos the others had never gambled , they had great time won money and stayed for the full card so I'm not sure were you're getting your information from?

No, there isn't. People who play bingo are NOT going to wager on horse races. It isn't in their circle. Take a card player to a slot room and he will just sit there. And even if they did, how much would they bet ? $2? $4? Just like when they have their "free voucher" nights. How much higher is the handle ? Not at all. The ones who win are the concessions and the booze sellers. Horsemen get NOTHING of that. A lot of people betting nothing to speak of. The tracks need gamblers and honest racing. Not people who bet 4 or 6 dollars a visit.

carryover or not sundays especially sunday night's during nfl season will never be a winner at a track out in the booniesplenty of people have to go to worlk mondays and you killed them with that trip from balmoralimo it makes no sense to race 1 day at bal then 2 days at maywood and back to bal for 2 days give maywood wed and sunday and bal thurs fri and sat nitesthe mile tracks outhandle all other tracks and you are losing revenue on fri nites by racing at maywoodeliminate the smaller payout for live on track customers at balmoral vs those playing at a otb in indianatry an accurate post time for the races 10 mtp does not mean 15 or moreguarateed seeded p5's and p4's of at least $20k not waiting for a carryover to stir interest

i have more but they will not do the simplest of things because mgmt does not carei fogot who invited me to meet with mgmt but only 2 people were to sho and mgmt did not feel that was important enuff to meet with us so they canceledthey had no idea how much either of us wagered in a yr yet blew us off

Some good ideas Niatross maybe even an occasional DH on Sunday

Yes, Yes on the post times.....since when does 0 minutes to post = the post parade