To me, this is a HUGE turn off for Bill Parcells and co. Dez is very capable of running a low 4.4 time, but a 4.57 on a fast surface, to me, shows his lack of work ethic and his laziness. I don't think he is a consideration at this point.

To me, this is a HUGE turn off for Bill Parcells and co. Dez is very capable of running a low 4.4 time, but a 4.57 on a fast surface, to me, shows his lack of work ethic and his laziness. I don't think he is a consideration at this point.

So if he runs a 4.4 he is?

Dez Bryant isn't a consideration not because of his skills...

For all the Bryant fans, I would suggest to move on... its not gonna happen.

I was not high on him to begin with. He's a player I would only draft if he fell ridiculously low, say middle of the second round. I know he has more talent than that and will be gone, but something about him screams 'caveat emptor'.

Oklahoma State WR Dez Bryant is still going through position drills at his private workout for NFL teams, but I do have his 40-yard dash times to pass along.

Bryant began the workouts Tuesday in his hometown of Lufkin, Texas, with the 40, posting times of 4.52, 4.68 and 4.52. He was asked to run the third time due to the discrepancy between the first two times.

Early during his position drills, Bryant did drop some passes, but he looked much better after getting into the flow of the drills with former Oklahoma State QB Bobby Reid.

I was not high on him to begin with. He's a player I would only draft if he fell ridiculously low, say middle of the second round. I know he has more talent than that and will be gone, but something about him screams 'caveat emptor'.

Even then I wouldn't draft him. You can get an excellent player at that spot, and Dez Bryant is not that.

Lets see, we drafted Ginn because of his speed and I believe Oakland also greatly over reached on Heyward-Bey last year because they became enamored with his 40 speed. Hows that working out? Obviously there is a lot more to playing Wr in the NFL than a 40 yard time. Despite missing most of last season because of an excessively harsh suspension from the draconian goons at the NCAA, Dez is still expected to be the first WR drafted in April and it's easy to see why. He has an exceptional combination of size, mobility, and football skills. Bryant is a rock solid 6'2 215 with a very fluid running stride. He changes directions very well for a bigger WR and has a nice burst. Though not a true burner, Bryant possesses enough speed to make plays downfield and outrun defenders after the catch. He has the tools needed to become an above average WR1 in the NFL. I consider him the only can't-miss skill position prospect in this draft. I believe we can pick up Safety, OLB and NT in later rounds. If he's there at 12, I hope we grab Bryant.

Lets see, we drafted Ginn because of his speed and I believe Oakland also greatly over reached on Heyward-Bey last year because they became enamored with his 40 speed. Hows that working out? Obviously there is a lot more to playing Wr in the NFL than a 40 yard time. Despite missing most of last season because of an excessively harsh suspension from the draconian goons at the NCAA, Dez is still expected to be the first WR drafted in April and it's easy to see why. He has an exceptional combination of size, mobility, and football skills. Bryant is a rock solid 6'2 215 with a very fluid running stride. He changes directions very well for a bigger WR and has a nice burst. Though not a true burner, Bryant possesses enough speed to make plays downfield and outrun defenders after the catch. He has the tools needed to become an above average WR1 in the NFL. I consider him the only can't-miss skill position prospect in this draft. I believe we can pick up Safety, OLB and NT in later rounds. If he's there at 12, I hope we grab Bryant.

My point is not that he isn't an option because he doesn't have great speed...It is that he is faster than 4.57, and clearly did not train hard enough despite having extra time for this. On the field, he has 4.40-4.45 type speed, and there are very few DB's who can keep up on a down field route with Bryant.

The turn off is the lack of effort...not necassarily what he did run, as much as the fact that he should have run much better.

Talent wise, he is the number 4 player on my Big Board (if I had one), only behind the 2 DT's and Eric Berry. He is leaps and bounds bette than any WR in this year's draft. It's really a shame he does not have it between the ears.

How can you say he doesnt have it "between the ears" when you haven't met him or sat down and had an intelligent conversation with him. In 1983 they were tons of rumors right before the draft that Marino was a coke head. He slipped to us at 27. Bryant, to my knowledge, has never had any scrape with the law. A few rumors about showing up late to a team meeting doesn't equate that he won't be a star at the next level, IMO.

How can you say he doesnt have it "between the ears" when you haven't met him or sat down and had an intelligent conversation with him. In 1983 they were tons of rumors right before the draft that Marino was a coke head. He slipped to us at 27. Bryant, to my knowledge, has never had any scrape with the law. A few rumors about showing up late to a team meeting doesn't equate that he won't be a star at the next level, IMO.

Stories about him showing up late to meetings is the thing I am the least concerned with.

He showed up 30 min. before a game one time.....HALF AN HOUR! He consistently showed up late to class, practices, meetings, etc. He has gotten himself involed with Pac Man Jones, Dion Sanders, and the world's crappiest agent. He lied to the NCAA, and got himself suspended for the entire year.

He's immature, he's lazy, and he's undisciplined.

I don't know how intelligent he is, but he certainly isn't smart.

If he did not have those problems, I would have no problem predicting him to be the next Andre Johnson, as the talent is there. But you just can't take a chance on a guy like that at number 12, with so many needs defensively, and such great talent available.

Dez Byant is what I thought he was and would run, in the 4.4-4.5 range. He runs an average of 4.5 and now he is going to drop? He came in and 224 lbs running those times. He is faster than Anquan Boldin, as fast as Larry Fitzgerald and as fast probably as Brandon Marshall.

The guys that did not like Bryant would not have liked the kid if he ran a 4.3 or a 4.4, so stop trying to find other reason not to like the kid.

His production and talent is there. If his maturity issues scare people off, so be it, but the kid can ball.

Dez Byant is what I thought he was and would run, in the 4.4-4.5 range. He runs an average of 4.5 and now he is going to drop? He came in and 224 lbs running those times. He is faster than Anquan Boldin, as fast as Larry Fitzgerald and as fast probably as Brandon Marshall.

The guys that did not like Bryant would not have liked the kid if he ran a 4.3 or a 4.4, so stop trying to find other reason not to like the kid.

His production and talent is there. If his maturity issues scare people off, so be it, but the kid can ball.

Just saw the times, and apparently it was a 4.52 which he ran twice. That's better than a 4.57. However, I think he could have and should have run better than that. I don't think this bodes well for the people critical of his work ethic. That's all I'm saying; not that he can't play because he didn't run a 4.35.

How can you say he doesnt have it "between the ears" when you haven't met him or sat down and had an intelligent conversation with him. In 1983 they were tons of rumors right before the draft that Marino was a coke head. He slipped to us at 27. Bryant, to my knowledge, has never had any scrape with the law. A few rumors about showing up late to a team meeting doesn't equate that he won't be a star at the next level, IMO.

Stories about him showing up late to meetings is the thing I am the least concerned with.

He showed up 30 min. before a game one time.....HALF AN HOUR! He consistently showed up late to class, practices, meetings, etc. He has gotten himself involed with Pac Man Jones, Dion Sanders, and the world's crappiest agent. He lied to the NCAA, and got himself suspended for the entire year.

He's immature, he's lazy, and he's undisciplined.

I don't know how intelligent he is, but he certainly isn't smart.

If he did not have those problems, I would have no problem predicting him to be the next Andre Johnson, as the talent is there. But you just can't take a chance on a guy like that at number 12, with so many needs defensively, and such great talent available.

Regarding Dez's work ethic, it's hard to tell the smoke from the fire at this point. This is the time of year when character issues mysteriously crop up about every top player in the draft. At this time last year everyone was chirping about Crabtree's lack of character/speed while saying Harvin was a cancer who couldn't handle the pressures of the NFL. Like I posted earlier, Dan Marino was rumored to be a coke addict which is why he dropped to 27th.

If Dez works hard, he will be a solid top 10-15 WR1. I don't know if he's going to work hard, but I do know that he has difference-maker talent, which is more than can be said for all but 2-3 other rookies in this draft class. We need some play makers on offense. Our best WR wasn't even drafted and our RBs are fairly old by NFL standards. Defenses will start teeing off on our running game if we can't throw the ball.

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How can you say he doesnt have it "between the ears" when you haven't met him or sat down and had an intelligent conversation with him. In 1983 they were tons of rumors right before the draft that Marino was a coke head. He slipped to us at 27. Bryant, to my knowledge, has never had any scrape with the law. A few rumors about showing up late to a team meeting doesn't equate that he won't be a star at the next level, IMO.

Stories about him showing up late to meetings is the thing I am the least concerned with.

He showed up 30 min. before a game one time.....HALF AN HOUR! He consistently showed up late to class, practices, meetings, etc. He has gotten himself involed with Pac Man Jones, Dion Sanders, and the world's crappiest agent. He lied to the NCAA, and got himself suspended for the entire year.

He's immature, he's lazy, and he's undisciplined.

I don't know how intelligent he is, but he certainly isn't smart.

If he did not have those problems, I would have no problem predicting him to be the next Andre Johnson, as the talent is there. But you just can't take a chance on a guy like that at number 12, with so many needs defensively, and such great talent available.

Dez Bryant may be immature, but lazy and undisciplined? You don't put up 147 career catches in 28 career games, 2,425 yards for a 16.5 yard average and have 29 career TD because you are LAZY.

His numbers he put up at his Pro Day are similar to Brandon Marshall. Marshall ran a 4.55, had a vertical of 37 inches and broad jumped 10.0. Bryant times averaged 4.55, he had a vertical of 38 inches and he broad jumped 11'1. I just saw the kid on ESPN and he looked ripped at 224 lbs.

I have said this before and I will say it again. Dez Bryant is among the group of guys I listed in my blog that I would be happy with Miami drafting in the 1st round.

His maturity issues are a concern and need to be checked thoroughly, but he has never had ANY issues with the law or with Mike Gundy while at Oklahoma State. The talent is there, the production is there.

I don't know what you call showing up late consistently to everything, and it gets bad enough that teammates are worried that you won't show up to games, but I call that lazy.

Again Tony, I don't care what he ran from the standpoint of you need to be a certain speed to be successful. As I've mentioned lots of times, Jerry Rice ran a 4.6 and Boldin a 4.7. But, in my opinion, the fact that he is capable physically of running in the low 4.4's, and he instead ran a mid 4.5, and forgot his cleats??? Come on...

Phins, I realize you are talking about the story posted by Jason Cole of Yahoo.com, but I also know that teams and agents put out information, false information in hoping that certain kids drop.

If Miami selects Dez, they will have done there homework on the kid and felt comfortable with what they found out about Dez and the various stories out there, including the one you keep hanging your hat on.

If they don't then there more truth to the story and the team will not feel he is worth the investment at #12.

4.5 or 4.6, It doesn't matter. With his strength and size, he is going to develop miss matches. The kid is strong and fights for the ball. Besides, I don't care about the 40 too much, I mean it's nice to see what a kid can run but game speed is totally different. When the ball is in the air, or a defender is chasing you everyone gets a little extra jolt and that 4.5 becomes a 4.4. I mean Ronnie didn't run the fastest 40, but when he breaks out of a hole, it seems no one can catch him at least for a while. I'll be happy with whatever decision the Phins make, but I still believe Dez is going to develop into one hell of a reciever.

Adam Schefter just reported that Dez ran a 4.57 at his Pro Day.To me, this is a HUGE turn off for Bill Parcells and co. Dez is very capable of running a low 4.4 time, but a 4.57 on a fast surface, to me, shows his lack of work ethic and his laziness. I don't think he is a consideration at this point.

I do not believe he was being considered any way. Miami will go pass rusher IMO.

Phins, I realize you are talking about the story posted by Jason Cole of Yahoo.com, but I also know that teams and agents put out information, false information in hoping that certain kids drop.

If Miami selects Dez, they will have done there homework on the kid and felt comfortable with what they found out about Dez and the various stories out there, including the one you keep hanging your hat on.

If they don't then there more truth to the story and the team will not feel he is worth the investment at #12.

Phins, I realize you are talking about the story posted by Jason Cole of Yahoo.com, but I also know that teams and agents put out information, false information in hoping that certain kids drop.

If Miami selects Dez, they will have done there homework on the kid and felt comfortable with what they found out about Dez and the various stories out there, including the one you keep hanging your hat on.

If they don't then there more truth to the story and the team will not feel he is worth the investment at #12.

Dez Bryant will make all the teams that pass him up look stupid. I think he lands in Seattle, but would not be surprised to see him go to the San Francisco 49er's.....imagine a team with Bryant, Crabtree and Vernon Davis ....speaking of the 49er's, there is a franchise going in the right direction.

Oh....didn't Jerry Rice run like a 4.6 40 yard dash.....he sucked all the way to Canton, huh? 4.5 to 4.6 speed coupled with a broad jump that would have beat all competition in the combine.....all on a 6'2" 225 lb frame....yeah....Dez Bryant is just clearly unable to play in the NFL. All the scouts and professionals are wrong. Please.....

This team has not had a breakaway scoring threat on offense since Ricky in his earlier stint with the Dolphins in 2002. We didn't have good receivers then either. I don't see this changing at all this year. We couldn't even pull the trigger on free agency for an upgrade.

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How can you say he doesnt have it "between the ears" when you haven't met him or sat down and had an intelligent conversation with him. In 1983 they were tons of rumors right before the draft that Marino was a coke head. He slipped to us at 27. Bryant, to my knowledge, has never had any scrape with the law. A few rumors about showing up late to a team meeting doesn't equate that he won't be a star at the next level, IMO.

Stories about him showing up late to meetings is the thing I am the least concerned with.

He showed up 30 min. before a game one time.....HALF AN HOUR! He consistently showed up late to class, practices, meetings, etc. He has gotten himself involed with Pac Man Jones, Dion Sanders, and the world's crappiest agent. He lied to the NCAA, and got himself suspended for the entire year.

He's immature, he's lazy, and he's undisciplined.

I don't know how intelligent he is, but he certainly isn't smart.

If he did not have those problems, I would have no problem predicting him to be the next Andre Johnson, as the talent is there. But you just can't take a chance on a guy like that at number 12, with so many needs defensively, and such great talent available.

why is being "involved" with Deion bad?

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Dez Byant is what I thought he was and would run, in the 4.4-4.5 range. He runs an average of 4.5 and now he is going to drop? He came in and 224 lbs running those times. He is faster than Anquan Boldin, as fast as Larry Fitzgerald and as fast probably as Brandon Marshall.

The guys that did not like Bryant would not have liked the kid if he ran a 4.3 or a 4.4, so stop trying to find other reason not to like the kid.

His production and talent is there. If his maturity issues scare people off, so be it, but the kid can ball.

I dont know where people got the info that Dez Bryant forgot his cleats. It was my understanding he had a ton of cleats and he kept slipping in the underarmour ones and he actually went over to the underarmour rep to tell him he was going to switch to his nikes on the agility cone drill and then he didnt slip.

People that dont even know Dez Bryant are dragging him under the bus any chance they get. He is a 20 year old kid getting ready to play a mans game in the NFL. Cut him some slack until you read he gets in trouble with the law.

I dont anticipate Miami selecting him, but if they do, it would still be a good choice in my opinion.

Bryant could very well end up being a phenomenal NFL player. But if he flames out, the warning signs were present.

It started with the decision to lie to NCAA investigators regarding his relationship with Deion Sanders. And it was magnified by the report -- not rumor, as the AP now tries to describe it -- from Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports regarding multiple instances of tardiness for various activities, including games.

Bryant put his credibility firmly on the line when he responded to the report by claiming he's never been late for anything. Any team that is able to confirm Cole's report with a phone call to an Oklahoma State assistant coach, teammate, or roommate should think seriously about taking Bryant off the board, because it will mean that Bryant cannot be trusted, ever.

More recently, Bryant blew his chance at a buzz-building Pro Day by not bringing his best cleats to the event. And while he scoffs at our report that he forgot to bring cleats at all by pointing out he brought six pairs but didn't bring the best ones, does he really think that his explanation makes the situation any better?

Bryant forgot to bring the shoes he wanted to wear. The fact that he brought a bunch of other shoes makes him look even more scatterbrained and disorganized.

His response? "What do this got to do with me playing football? Even if I did forget my cleats, what do that have to do with me playing football? I don't think it has anything to do with me playing football."

Technically, it doesn't have anything to do with playing football. But the kind of character flaw that makes a guy tell a lie whenever he thinks the truth would hurt his interests and the kind of knuckleheadedness that makes a guy show up late (allegedly) or forget to bring his best shoes for the biggest 40-yard dash of his life will manifest itself in other ways.

Plaxico Burress was constantly late for stuff. And he eventually blew a hole through his leg and landed in jail for 20 months.

Burress wasn't a criminal. But he did something criminally stupid. And Bryant is supplying the football-following world with evidence to reinforce the time-honored maxim that stupid is as stupid does.

Plenty of stupid guys can play football very well. But stupid guys can also do things that keep them from being available to play football. And it can happen because they slept too late or because they carried a loaded gun into a Manhattan night club or because of one of many other potential reasons in between.

So whoever decides to take a chance on Bryant will have to account for the possibility that he might do something to affect his ability to play football -- and they'll need to be able and willing to spend the money and time necessary to protect Bryant from himself.

Our advice to Bryant? Quit trying to explain these events. It's only making the situation worse.

He's like an 8 year old that keeps lying about stuff, then getting caught and making up another elaborate story and then pouting to earn some sympathy. Amazing.

Yup.

Pro football weekly also came out with a story that Dez has some sort of a learning disability, and for the first couple of years of his career, he is going to need a simplified playbook.

I can feel for the people that have troubles learning, or aren't very smart. However, you have to be willing to learn for it to work. Is it a disability, or just lack of motivation? Either way, if he's going to be a project that could end up getting in trouble, I don't think he's worth a top 15 pick. Without all this coming into play I never thought he was worth the top half of the draft in the first place, but I don't know, his whining could ship him late into the 1st, maybe even 2nd.