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What are some of your opinions on this girl? Squatting in different gyms, using different types of weights. Doing 455 lbs for reps with little to no strain at a bodyweight of maybe around 150 lbs? No belt, no wraps or chalk. Yeah sure, the spotter is helping her a bit but I still reckon her to be the strongest female lifter of all time. I mean what could potentially be her max. 550-650 lbs? She also has 7.8 million followers so she’s inspired countless people to train and make gains. According to the logic presented in the thread, having inspired people makes it more likely that the weights are real.

If you don’t believe her, YOU have to provide evidence that the weights are fake!

Your post here, in many ways, causes one to dig deeply into how we make decisions in our lives on a daily basis. When one has some degree of knowledge on a subject, and something seemingly ridiculous occurs, we immediately reject it as fake, and then move on with our lives. Or, in this case, my own reaction is to want to reach for my telephone and call my formerly Elite Powerlifter son (665 or 670 DL at 220lbs. a few years ago) to see what he knows about her - - or what “Smelly” of Bigger Stronger Faster thinks of her (my kid is one degree of separation from him). I would probably hear she was a fraud, then move on. Life is too short to spend on silly matters. We usually rely on our own expertise in how we go about our lives, and when something is beyond our own expertise, we either study it further, or seek someone who has some perceived level of expertise. But we usually value our personal time, so we don’t waste much energy on dumb things.

And, when it is not a dumb thing, and everyone moves on...

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Your post here, in many ways, causes one to dig deeply into how we make decisions in our lives on a daily basis. When one has some degree of knowledge on a subject, and something seemingly ridiculous occurs, we immediately reject it as fake, and then move on with our lives. Or, in this case, my own reaction is to want to reach for my telephone and call my formerly Elite Powerlifter son (665 or 670 DL at 220lbs. a few years ago) to see what he knows about her - - or what “Smelly” of Bigger Stronger Faster thinks of her (my kid is one degree of separation from him). I would probably hear she was a fraud, then move on. Life is too short to spend on silly matters. We usually rely on our own expertise in how we go about our lives, and when something is beyond our own expertise, we either study it further, or seek someone who has some perceived level of expertise. But we usually value our personal time, so we don’t waste much energy on dumb things.

And, when it is not a dumb thing, and everyone moves on...

Why would you call your son? How would your son or “Smelly” know if she is a fraud or not? They don’t have any evidence of her being a fraud. Why would you choose to believe them over her and her training partners? If you want to be consistent to your own chosen logic you have to take her word and accept her lifts as true.

What would it take for you to believe her? A few personal texts? A phone conversation where she seems nice?

The girl in the video (no idea of her BW) appears to be doing 480# at times for very easy reps totally raw. It's hard to imagine someone that strong with no interest in competing. I can't imagine that many fake plates of different types being available ??? That's all the brain power I can use on this without thinking about her "lungs" - sorry.

The girl in the video (no idea of her BW) appears to be doing 480# at times for very easy reps totally raw. It's hard to imagine someone that strong with no interest in competing. I can't imagine that many fake plates of different types being available ??? That's all the brain power I can use on this without thinking about her "lungs" - sorry.

I didn't even notice she was holding a barbell until you brought it up.

The girl in the video (no idea of her BW) appears to be doing 480# at times for very easy reps totally raw. It's hard to imagine someone that strong with no interest in competing. I can't imagine that many fake plates of different types being available ??? That's all the brain power I can use on this without thinking about her "lungs" - sorry.

I think those are equipped records, right?

There are many other videos of her squatting. The heaviest I’ve seen is a set of 495 lbs for 10 reps, using plates that actually look more realistic than the ones in the clip I posted.

Personally. I would say she’s obviously using fake plates. If she wants her lifts to be taken serious she needs to go to a powerlifting or strongman competition or in the very least meet up and train with some serious lifters. But according to the logic that have been presented by some of the guys in this thread, it’s not up to her to prove to us that the weights are real, it’s up to us to prove that they are fake. And if we can’t prove that they are fake, we have to accept it as truth.

When﻿﻿ one has some degree of knowledge on a subject, and something seemingly ridiculous occurs, we immediate﻿﻿l﻿﻿y reject it as fake, and then move on with our lives﻿﻿. ﻿﻿﻿

I believe that is exactly what happened with Kinney. Honestly her video, while being way more entertaining than JK's, is actually closer to what the strongest women on the planet can do than the bigfoot video close was to what the strongest gripsters in the world (including WSM Magnus) have been able to accomplish with a legit #4.

Why would you believe 1 and doubt the other? I haven't texted with her, but she seems like a very nice girl. I understand that she is also fond of saying, "word is bond."

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I believe that is exactly what happened with Kinney. Honestly her video, while being way more entertaining than JK's, is actually closer to what the strongest women on the planet can do than the bigfoot video close was to what the strongest gripsters in the world (including WSM Magnus) have been able to accomplish with a legit #4.

Why would you believe 1 and doubt the other? I haven't texted with her, but she seems like a very nice girl. I understand that she is also fond of saying, "word is bond."

She’s also been lifting and posting her training for longer than what Joe did.

There are many other videos of her squatting. The heaviest I’ve seen is a set of 495 lbs for 10 reps, using plates that actually look more realistic than the ones in the clip I posted.

Personally. I would say she’s obviously using fake plates. If she wants her lifts to be taken serious she needs to go to a powerlifting or strongman competition or in the very least meet up and train with some serious lifters. But according to the logic that have been presented by some of the guys in this thread, it’s not up to her to prove to us that the weights are real, it’s up to us to prove that they are fake. And if we can’t prove that they are fake, we have to accept it as truth.

It’s like all the people nowadays that say they are something they aren’t, and you must comply to the delusion, or be labeled hateful or sued. How dare you say the obvious and call someone out on a delusion.... but I digress.... so, any others we think can close the gripper like Ronnie “light weight, BABY” Coleman??

It’s like all the people nowadays that say they are something they aren’t, and you must comply to the delusion, or be labeled hateful or sued. How dare you say the obvious and call someone out on a delusion.... but I digress.... so, any others we think can close the gripper like Ronnie “light weight, BABY” Coleman??

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it’s kinda like the whole Paul Anderson thing. Where ppl started doubting his weight cause no one else could do what he was doin. Before the steroid era that is.

he did squats through the day, think it was sets of 2-3 reps with insane amounts of weight.

I don’t have all the facts though, I’m sure someone on here does but.

anyhow I can’t prove joe did what he did but I can’t replicate his exact training either though, I get injured a lot trying to do so. So I’ve tweaked it alittle and seeing some results slowly here and there. It’s something to try to reach for anyhow 😁

it’s kinda like the whole Paul Anderson thing. Where ppl started doubting his weight cause no one else could do what he was doin. Before the steroid era that is.

he did squats through the day, think it was sets of 2-3 reps with insane amounts of weight.

I don’t have all the facts though, I’m sure someone on here does but.

anyhow I can’t prove joe did what he did but I can’t replicate his exact training either though, I get injured a lot trying to do so. So I’ve tweaked it alittle and seeing some results slowly here and there. It’s something to try to reach for anyhow 😁

@Roark did a great investigation on Paul's backlift claim. He pretty much proved it couldn't have been what he claimed. Joe Roark, if you are unfamiliar with him, is the preeminent iron historian on the planet.

Note: he was also the one who set up getting Kinney's gripper calibrated by PDA so he could get rid of the naysayers. Sadly, JK "lost" the gripper. I guess he must have "found" it so he could show it to Heath a few years later.

it’s kinda like the whole Paul Anderson thing. Where ppl started doubting his weight cause no one else could do what he was doin. Before the steroid era that is.

he did squats through the day, think it was sets of 2-3 reps with insane amounts of weight.

I don’t have all the facts though, I’m sure someone on here does but.

anyhow I can’t prove joe did what he did but I can’t replicate his exact training either though, I get injured a lot trying to do so. So I’ve tweaked it alittle and seeing some results slowly here and there. It’s something to try to reach for anyhow 😁

You just aren't squatting enough. If you're not doing at least 400 lb Hatfield squats for 60 reps every day, there is no way your body can make enough steroids to handle the rigors of Kinney's training program. You have to squat every day for over a year. Anything less and you have only yourself to blame. 😉

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You just aren't squatting enough. If you're not doing at least 400 lb Hatfield squats for 60 reps every day, there is no way your body can make enough steroids to handle the rigors of Kinney's training program. You have to squat every day for over a year. Anything less and you have only yourself to blame. 😉

Yeah I Tryed the squatting , Sadly I don’t have a good form for it all . Had to stop was killing my back I tend to lean forward when I get in the hole .

I mean hes not really wrong, everything is a spring and can bend. Whether you can perceive it or not is another question tho I have heard high level bench presses mention feeling their arms bend, no way to know if that's real or not.

I mean hes not really wrong, everything is a spring and can bend. Whether you can perceive it or not is another question tho I have heard high level bench presses mention feeling their arms bend, no way to know if that's real or not.

At my age, my bone bends slightly more than it used to. Oh. Wait. Different conversation. Thought this was the EDBoard. You should see the arguments about world class claims on that forum! 😳

What are some of your opinions on this girl? Squatting in different gyms, using different types of weights. Doing 455 lbs for reps with little to no strain at a bodyweight of maybe around 150 lbs? No belt, no wraps or chalk. Yeah sure, the spotter is helping her a bit but I still reckon her to be the strongest female lifter of all time. I mean what could potentially be her max. 550-650 lbs? She also has 7.8 million followers so she’s inspired countless people to train and make gains. According to the logic presented in the thread, having inspired people makes it more likely that the weights are real.

If you don’t believe her, YOU have to provide evidence that the weights are fake!

One thing is for sure, I have chosen the wrong career. Are their any self-study courses on how to become a fitness model spotter?