From Railgun's editor:>No plans for a Railgun Season 3. If there will be one, it would be after Index Season 3.>Touma will not appear in Dream Ranker>Gunha's appearance in Daihaseisai was not in Kamachi's original version>The appearance of the Shadow Metal at the end was a Fuyukawa addition and is therefore not foreshadowing for anything>Editor wants more appearances from Kiyama, but Fuyukawa keeps refusing>He doubts Dolly, Mitori, and Misaki will never appear in Railgun again>Gunha is unlikely to appear in Railgun again>Accelerator was incapacitated just like the Sisters during the Daihaseisai stuff>Probably nothing more with Xochitl>Komoe knows Misaki quite well>The dragons are real and not an illusion>Dream Ranker will have cameo appearances like Xochitl and Gunha in DaihaseisaiLink: http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-25793.htmltranslated by js06

>>111332499I will never understand why anyone expects anything out of Misaki's "past" with Touma. It's nothing but bait. He probably didn't even "save" her since her trauma is connected to Dolly and she handled that on her on

I can't make any sense of Aleister's plan. He apparently needs a power eating dragon and angel, as well as a world wide AIM field. Wouldn't the damn dragon eat the angel, the AIM field, and whatever the angel and AIM field are trying to do?

>>111333194Something like that is the only thing I could see happening to be honest. But that'll require power above the dragon. Perhaps the angel is supposed to kill the dragon? And the AIM field would power the angel I guess. But if the angel's too weak or messes up, the angel's dead. Which I suppose would require extra angels. This is making creepy amounts of sense

>Misaki is the 5th rank Level 5>her importance to the keikaku is to be a back up server to Touma's memories just in case Touma just so happened to lose his memories>keikaku doori

Actually, I could kind of see Crowley using Misaki to read important people's minds in order to analyze their thought patterns. It could help him predict what people are going to do in 'X' situation and thus make it easier to manipulate stuff. At least with Touma. Or maybe she's just a walking Testament prototype.

I give up trying to guess Aleister's keikaku. Nothing makes sense, and any theory that makes the slightest bit of sense is weak when you consider the actual people involved. What the fuck are you doing, Aleister?

>Be me, living the high class life at some wealthy middle school>Make dosh by following random higher ups, listening in on their thoughts, and reporting back to the main guy in charge>Easy money, since I can always just erase my target's memories of me if they ever catch me, no problem>Except for this one spiky haired asshole who can negate memory altercations by touching his head >Head of AC just so happens to have a boner for this guy, so I'm forced to stealthily stalk this faggot everywhere>In the past couple of weeks alone I've been dragged to Italy, England, and Russia just to keep tabs on this kid>And when he stays in the city, I have my hands full mindwiping half the media just so that he can maintain a low profile, as per orders>Christ I fucking hate this guy.

>Starts off the arc being hated and portrayed as possible main villain>Everyone expects Mikoto to beat Misaki and give her what she deserves>Everyone expects Misaki to be a villain of the week>But it turns out that Misaki was acting behind the scenes to protect the clones>It turns out she has a connection to the clones>It turns out that Mikoto was yet again the damsel in distress, this time victim of a retarded project that everyone fucking knew it was doomed to fail since the start, and would not bring nothing interesting to the picture given that nothing of this was even mentioned in Index>It turns out that Misaki was the main character of the story, capable of handling things on her own and never giving up, with plenty of character development and fleshing>It turns out that she proved to be a good girl and actually succeeded at being a hero>Mikoto and Mikotofags status = Overshadowed.

I wonder how many of those who talked shit when this arc was just starting are still here.

If Misaki were to info dump into Touma's head (lets say she puts all the answers for his math test directly into his brain, or hell even the knowledge needed to help solve each and every problem on the test), would he immediately forget everything the minute he touches his head? (thus making him fail the test, fukou da)

>>111337445Yeah, that's tricky. I mean she could kill most people in the series with that...but it'll also kill, well, everything else, including her. So it's not especially useful. I mean I guess she'd be just above Fiamma.

I think people like her are why Special sections exist. You don't really have to include her though, she's really ridiculously hard to place.

>>111337355>Misaki already knows how IB works and even warns Touma about his own ability>Mikoto takes months to even figure out it's his only his right hand despite fighting him daily, and even after she is aware of it, she still can't think of a smart move to defeat him with tons of Five_overs at her control>Everyone Touma has fought so far figures out his right hand just as he starts using it

Man, sometimes you get impressed at the vast difference of the characters' intelligence in this series.

>>111337355Volume 11 Prologue:>Kamijou used his right hand to pick the thing off his forehead tiredly. It was larger than a police identification card, a booklet made of red artificial leather. The words written on it were ‘Japanese Passport’.

At this moment, the information he got from Misaki vanished into the ether.

>>111331022>Gunha's appearance in Daihaseisai was not in Kamachi's original version>The appearance of the Shadow Metal at the end was a Fuyukawa addition and is therefore not foreshadowing for anything>He doubts Dolly, Mitori, and Misaki will never appear in Railgun again>Gunha is unlikely to appear in Railgun again>Probably nothing more with Xochitl>The dragons are real and not an illusionIs this just another Nagai-like fanfiction now?

>>111338624Her power is the same as Mikoto's on a basic level. And the Dark May Project shows you can make someone's power similar to someone else's by implanting their thought patterns. Implanting Mikoto's patterns in Mugino might work.

This is all pure fan speculation, so i'm of course a complete faggot for saying it.

>>111338977Interview basically went "Kamachi writes how it goes basically, Fukuyawa adds a bunch of flavor, then Kamachi approves the final product."

For one thing Kamachi actually doesn't put Touma in as much as he is in Railgun. The first time he shows up in the manga in Kamachi's version is at the very end of the Graviton Bombing Arc (and he doesn't go shopping with the little girl either).

Fukuyawa loves Touma and says he likes the reactions he can get out of Biri by putting him in, so he asks Kamachi to put Touma in as much as possible.

>>111330776Wello interesting considering that from what I remember they only made a second Index season as it was Railgun that cashed in the money for it.Apparently Index sells like shirt compared to Railgun and would not warrent more seasons without Railgun cashing in.

All these people in high positions that like Kamikoto for some awful reason just proves that Kamachi doesn't want them together. As awful as I find the characters together, I agree he could have made a lovely romance out of them. If he really wanted to do that, why hasn't he with the backing of the fans and his editors and manga writers like the pairing? That means he doesn't want it to happen

And no one's pointed out that eventually this god awful ship teasing between Touma and Mikoto that's thrown in just to sell is going to backfire? I mean, do they think people won't get sick of it, especially if this series goes on for another 12 or novels?

Still shipping Mikoto when they know more than anyone else that she is only used for marketing purposes and that her "relationship" with Touma is a bad joke that won't go anywhere, where their interactions are the same rehashed shit where she shocks him and he just tries to avoid her all the time, is a sign of zero taste.

>>111339931But that's the only thing Mikoto is good for. She brings a lot of money. Let her appear in illustrations and have pointless and forced scenes with Touma and people will eat it up like crazy. That's the end of her usefulness.

Her own goddamn manga is just a place where other characters but her get a chance to shine, the story isn't even about her.

>>111340297That's probably part of it yeah, though apparently a different part is that Kamachi just finds her easy as hell to write. According to him she's one of the few characters he can throw into any kind of scene and work with her easily, and she's the easiest character to write..

>>111340998I'm not saying Misaka's feelings for Touma aren't shallow because without a doubt they are and I can't wait for the pairing to end, but I'm pretty sure you could say Touma's shallow too because all he does is repeat the same shit with other people as well. The only 2 sided thing Touma and Mikoto have is shallowness

>>111341181I for one keep paying attention to the tsunderes in hope that they will be the old type of tsundere and not the new "beat him up, then show a little gentleness" shit the archetype has become.

>>111341181I don't see how anyone could look at their interactions and think they are cute, good, or interesting. It's just a typical stupid kid crush but add in misfortune and superpowers. It's not anything you couldn't see a watered down version of in any junior high school or high school

>>111341181Tsunderes with reasonable and balanced tsun, character outside of the archetype, actual character development and progression to deredere, like Kurisu, Haqua, Yui, Chidori and Eri are fucking love and their tsun side isn't overbearing and annoying.

Shitty tsunderes that are bipolar, overly violent, with irrational, suffocating, possessive tsun, no real development, constantly flipping between tsun and dere, don't have personality outside of the tsundere archetype and still beat up the MC even after realizing their feelings can die in hell. Taiga, Louise, Kirino, Mikoto, Minami, Naru, Houki are examples of this.

>>111342468Thats what I mean. Kids CAN do some really cute shit but they're also one of the leading causes of second hand embarrassment. I definitely get second hand embarrassment off Mikoto's "crush" and not "aww that's cute"

>>111343098 They are Choronzon.>Choronzon, the Demon of the Abyss, the Stooping Dragon with Eight Heads which struck at the Crown of the Tree of Life and failed to attain it, become lost within the confusion of falsehood which is "knowledge," called in Hebrew "Da'ath." Choronzon is without substance and is "legion," being an infinite concatenation of various disconnected impressions vifified into the delusion of sentience and self-existence by the various scraps of ego which may follow a magician into the Abyss. The Demon Choronzon will devour (presumably by subsuming "them" into itselfs) anyone without the proper momentum to cross the Abyss, or who is unable to keep Silence, which is the one condition which the Demon, in its mad confusion, cannot abide. The place from where I took this doesn't gives a source, so take it as you want. There is another page with a pretty long text talking about Choronzon relationship with dragons or something like that. I posted it the first time the dragons were posted here.

The dragons DO change the game. Are they IB's true form? They seem to be. What does Crowley want with it? And wouldn't these things destroy any kind of power being used around them unless they were being completely controlled which....would require power.

Being real doesn't mean they can't be AIM. It's still very likely that that is the case, as it appears 1)when Imagine Breaker isn't there. 2)only in Academy City, which coincidentally the only place saturated with AIM

>>111342561>Just imagine if Touma and Mikoto had the level of chemistry Okabe and Kurisu had.It simply cannot happen. We could start with the fact that Touma isn't anywhere near as good and likeable as Okabe. Or that Mikoto isn't as mature and level-headed as Kurisu. Or that Steins;Gate characters' and writing in general are vastly superior to Index's.

>>111345342Those evil ones did have a name, so that puts them above irrelevant tier.

The directors killed by Vento didn't have speaking roles.Accel's assault against Mike's group in HC's hospital could be handwaved since they're in the doctor's proximity.The mercenary group BLOCK was trying to smuggle into the city before the Six Wings tore them up could be handwaved as dunked into the water.

>>111345939 Just make sure to procreate (HA!) and train your children in the ways of /a/. Then, one day, your grandson will come to you and tell you "Hey, grandpa. Index S3 was announced, now you just need to wait 20 years to see the Thor fight animated!"

>>111346203>60 years in the future>On my deathbed>I have taught my children well, though my grandchildren are anime only fags>They come to me and say >"Grandpa, that Index anime is pretty good! When's S3 going to come out?"

>>111345778>>111345838>>111345878Haha oops, I was reading the wrong section of the wiki.There's 22 volumes and the manga only reaches volume 10? Guess it's pointless to read the manga if I've already seen the anime.

Alright, I know that the chart looks a little rough, but I'm tired as hell and I figure I can make it look pretty later.

Gungnir Birdway and Summons Marian are just in placeholder spots for now, as I really can't decide where to fucking put them. I'll let you guys hash it out, and I'll tweak it accordingly for version 4.1.

As usual, if you have any problems or suggestions, feel free to point them out and discuss among yourselves. For now I'm going to go to bed, but I'll look up this thread tomorrow in the archive to see what you guys post.

>>111332949Let's go over this in order:Aleister plans to create an "artificial heaven".The AIM is there so you have a medium to make into heaven.The Dragon is there to make that medium into whatever it is.Aleister needs an Angel so he can have an Angel as God, he'd be a pretty lousy god if he didn't have a single angel.

Did I miss something? I thought last novel showed Crowley being at the very least on par with the sekrit club, who, like >>111349398 didn't give a shit about Aiwass and laughed at it like a failed project.

Also we haven't really seen what Birdway can really do with an imitation spear, it's all speculation. Surpassing normal Fiamma is a big deal and should need some solid evidence to justify it.

Marian is in a better position, but I can't help but feel that if she was really able to reach planet buster level then she'd be a mch, much bigger deal in the magic side.

>>111349869That's why he said Birdway's and Marian's were place holders. Also if Birdway with Gungnir like he mentioned is one of those tricky ones since she could have pretty much destroyed the world by throwing the thing.

And Marian actually is a really big deal. In the Stiyl SP, Richard Brave gives a theory that the Dvergers (like Marian) were the real power in Norse Mythology, and a modern person with their techniques would be insanely powerful.

Yeah but, knowing about her being in Gremlin shpuld have put her in the same level of danger as Othinus, shouldn't it? Othinus is infinetly more powerful and durable than Dainsleif, but in the end if any of them were to activate the result would be virtually the same. Instead, they leave her as a second thought with enough liberty to chase Othinus and Touma on her own.

The thing is, unless I missed something, one of the basic ideas of Idol theory was that no copy can match the original ( Othinus' Gungnir was an exception because it WAS the original god). The legend of the original Dainsleif says that it signals the start of Ragnarok, but a copy should be one level lower, same with Birdway's spear.

>>111350590Not possible.The fake draws power from the original.Another thing important is belief.Basically the more popular a thing is the better it is, that's why Christian Magicians are the top dogs.Golden Dawn and the like don't seem to follow that rule, though.

Pretty much, and Norse religion is pretty dead aside from some metal bands, so it's barely a factor. It kinda evens out because the religion was heavily based on weapons, and the originals are pretty crazy.

Do you plan to put Touma (Dragons) on the chart?Also I believe that Aleister should be higher than the sekrit club, I really can't imagine him starting a fight he's not certain to win. But I guess sooner or later we'll get some real evidence.And the last thing - shouldn't Ollerus' state be changed from current, since he lost his powers?

>>111351813>Fukuyawa: Also, my editor keeps telling me to draw panties. (laugh) I was even told to do away with Mikoto’s shorts. (laugh) But that’s a crucial part of the setting.

>Ogino: I did say to do away with the shorts, but I never said to show her panties.

>Fukuyawa: Aren’t those the same thing? (laugh)

>Kamachi: Sounds the same to me.

>Fukuyawa: If you can’t see what’s under her skirt, how are you supposed to know the shorts are gone?

>Ogino: They’re completely different things!

>Fukuyawa: The way I see it, any characters with panty shots in the novels can have panty shots in the manga. If Misaka Imouto ever shows up, I will view it as okay to give her one.

>Ogino: People are going to misunderstand! I wasn’t telling you to draw the panties. It’s just that a lot of Daioh readers don’t like having the main heroine wearing shorts all the time. You should be blaming all the people who haven’t read the novels. (laugh)

>Fukuyawa: It’s because there’s no explanation. The novels at least had Kamijou mention it.

>Miki: Calm down, calm down. Let’s not focus so much on the sexual stuff.

>>111353527We can only hope he gets put out to pasture for some other shitty project, or at least told not to add shitty filler again. Nagaispace was pretty unpopular as well as being needless, I just wish they'd give us SS1 + 2 (at least as OVAs if they can't air with the manga adaptation due to publisher issues or whatever); Daihaiseisai should take up the better part of 2 cours.

>>111355678Not directly.The point of Idol Theory is to provide a pattern that the caster can use to shape their magic. Well-known legends usually grow more detailed with time, which helps with that.With things like Birdway's spells however, there's no legend and therefore no believers at all. She just did the same thing so often that a pattern that she could use for idol theory formed. If belief directly influenced the spells power, all the Othinus-specific spells (like the crossbow) would have been extremely weak, since there aren't even many people who know those legends.

Or are you telling me everyone believes in the power of the little matchstick girl and Cinderella?

Theoretically, a magician could crack open Harry Potter and, with enough time and effort, create spells that use the HP magic system.

>>111356458That's not how Idol Theory works. Or rather, Idol Theory is invoking or borrowing power from some place else.

Most spells don't do this.

The reason that most spells have a basis in stories is because its easier on the Magician this way. They don't borrow power, they plagiarize another person's work and then use their own mana to power it.

Birdway's spell seems like some bastard version of the two.

Basically, as a general rule, Magic Items are Idol Theory, magical spells are not.

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