** Oisin Hurley, IONA -- flights booked already, and can't find the $1000 down the back of the couch to change them.

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** Mary Ruddy

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** John Graham

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** Gary Xue, Actuate

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** Doug Clarke, Oracle

== Date, Time and Location ==

== Date, Time and Location ==

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* Sunday March 22, 5pm - 6pm at a meeting room at the Hyatt (after the [[StAC 090322 Minutes|StAC all-council meeting from 3pm-5pm]])

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* Sunday March 22, '''Bayshore Room at the Hyatt'''

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** FYI -- PC meeting (not involving the AC): 2pm - 3pm

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** [[StAC 090322 Minutes|StAC]] (which includes the AC): 3pm - 5pm

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** AC only: 5pm - 6pm

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== Discussion ==

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Unfortunately Pizza dinner won't work in the room. We'll have a whiteboard, projector and markers. Wireless will only work if you've paid for it as a Hyatt guest (and even then it's not guaranteed in that room).

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Open discussion here. Feel free to add anything (this is not yet an agenda), prefix with your name.

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== Potential Agenda Items ==

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Open discussion here. Feel free to add anything, prefix with your name. We also collect AC input for the StAC meeting.

* (Martin) '''Mentor Experience roundup''': Each Mentor to talk 1-5 minutes about how it's been going with their projects

* (Martin) '''Mentor Experience roundup''': Each Mentor to talk 1-5 minutes about how it's been going with their projects

* (Martin) '''Improvements Brainstorming''': 15 minutes uncommented brainstorming of ideas what could be improved if there were no limitations

* (Martin) '''Improvements Brainstorming''': 15 minutes uncommented brainstorming of ideas what could be improved if there were no limitations

* (Oisin) Options around static web pages for projects, not wiki, confined to project committers, web component in each project, not in separate source code repository.

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* (Linda) Among the Java developer community, Eclipse is often used purely as an IDE. Most are not even aware of all the Eclipse projects that are available. How can the AC help to introduce and provide an architectural overview of all the various projects, including incubating ones?

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* (DavidC) What do we mean by "Architecture"? Does this include development practices? Release Engineering? Or are we just talking about Patterns and Design? Clearly defining our role within eclipse is important to provide some leverage moving forward.

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* (DavidC) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technical_debt Technical Debt]? It has many negative affects on the eclipse code base, but also the end user experience.

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* (Martin) '''Parallel IP for Mature Projects'''.

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** As per [http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/eclipse.org-committers/msg00575.html this message], it's possible but official EMO policy does not exist yet

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** Notice on download pages or inside the downloads?

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** Guideline for projects? - Some may not want it e.g. Eclipse -- Milestones sometimes consumed into projects. Want to be crystal clear that everything is OK.

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** Perhaps have a separate branch (E-builds for Experimental) which contain I-build contents as per the Mapfile but also include parallel IP'd libs? Might be possible with a separate Mapfile just for the libs (but then also the features would change). See also [[Eclipse/PMC]] for 18-Mar-2009.

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* (Andrew) What can we do to improve the ability of projects to accept patches from contributors in a timely fashion?

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* (Andrew) How can we help to increase the overall interaction and UI consistency of Eclipse projects? Push for the Foundation to hire an interaction designer?

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* (Boris) Should we generalize the DVCS discussion and also talk about the other the software tools we are using regularly (Bugzilla, Wiki, Build infrastructure, ...)? How can we get "the best tools money can buy"? (question 9 on [http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000043.html The Joel Test])

Date, Time and Location

Unfortunately Pizza dinner won't work in the room. We'll have a whiteboard, projector and markers. Wireless will only work if you've paid for it as a Hyatt guest (and even then it's not guaranteed in that room).

Potential Agenda Items

Open discussion here. Feel free to add anything, prefix with your name. We also collect AC input for the StAC meeting.

(Martin) Mentor Experience roundup: Each Mentor to talk 1-5 minutes about how it's been going with their projects

(Martin) Improvements Brainstorming: 15 minutes uncommented brainstorming of ideas what could be improved if there were no limitations

(Oisin) Options around static web pages for projects, not wiki, confined to project committers, web component in each project, not in separate source code repository.

(Linda) Among the Java developer community, Eclipse is often used purely as an IDE. Most are not even aware of all the Eclipse projects that are available. How can the AC help to introduce and provide an architectural overview of all the various projects, including incubating ones?

(DavidC) What do we mean by "Architecture"? Does this include development practices? Release Engineering? Or are we just talking about Patterns and Design? Clearly defining our role within eclipse is important to provide some leverage moving forward.

(DavidC) Technical Debt? It has many negative affects on the eclipse code base, but also the end user experience.

(Martin) Parallel IP for Mature Projects.

As per this message, it's possible but official EMO policy does not exist yet

Notice on download pages or inside the downloads?

Guideline for projects? - Some may not want it e.g. Eclipse -- Milestones sometimes consumed into projects. Want to be crystal clear that everything is OK.

Perhaps have a separate branch (E-builds for Experimental) which contain I-build contents as per the Mapfile but also include parallel IP'd libs? Might be possible with a separate Mapfile just for the libs (but then also the features would change). See also Eclipse/PMC for 18-Mar-2009.

(Andrew) What can we do to improve the ability of projects to accept patches from contributors in a timely fashion?

(Andrew) How can we help to increase the overall interaction and UI consistency of Eclipse projects? Push for the Foundation to hire an interaction designer?

(Boris) Should we generalize the DVCS discussion and also talk about the other the software tools we are using regularly (Bugzilla, Wiki, Build infrastructure, ...)? How can we get "the best tools money can buy"? (question 9 on The Joel Test)