If this is your first visit, be sure to
check out the FAQ by clicking the
link above. You may have to register
before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages,
select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Some RB's have fewer long runs. but are more consistent play to play. They have
fewer stuffs.some Running backs have more long runs plays , but have more stuffs at the Line of scrimmage. Parker doesn't do anything especially well.

As you can see Parker had the 3rd most yards on 1st down in the league. But as
you will see below, the yards gained were due to the heavy amount of attempts, not
because he was ultra efficient on a per carry basis.

Parker ranked 22nd in Yards per carry on 1st down. (for the record , he ranked 27th on 2nd down)

Note: If you break down the Steelers 3rd downs. over 50% of them were of third down
& 7 yards + or more. That was the 6 highest percentage in the league last
year. Also note that the Steelers ran theball on 1st and 2nd down more then all but
1 team in th NFL in 2007. Teams would just tee off on the QB as he would try to
complete 3rd and long.

User Info Menu

Re: Willie PArker

MSM how many of those guys at the top of the ypc on 1st down are the starters?

i mean i only scanned the list and counted 6 non starters ahead of parker. and i'm sure that there's more than that. it's pretty telling that even LT isn't above parker.

They all meet the mimimum Rushes requirement. ITs all based on percentage man.
If it were total yards, then yes, it would matter. But as long as you have the necessary carries to get an average, that average by and large does not change.

User Info Menu

Re: Willie PArker

More statistics without substantiation. Football is the ultimate team sport. Where in those RB rankings is the accountability of the O lines?

MSM - show us some O line rankings and stats. How does the Steelers '07 line rank in stuffs allowed or in all those other categories.

You always like to compare Parker to Ben when Parker is not to RBs what Ben is to QBs...no one is denying that. But the point remains that Parker alone is not responsible for the decline of his stats. Stats tell part of the story, but they don't tell the whole story.

User Info Menu

Join Date

May 2008

Posts

2,755

Re: Willie PArker

so msm your blaming the stuff percentage on parker? that stat is all on the o-line. how could it be any fault of any rb if he is hit behind the line of scrimage? im glad you posted that stat because i brought it up yesterday how there was an enormous ammount of carries he had with a d-lineman already in the backfield before or as the handoff was made. that is not parkers fault at all and it also affects his ypc avg tremendously. go ahead and keep blaming parker though. its funny how the o-line doesnt have nearly as much accountability in the run game, but if ben takes any hits its all on the o-line. it goes both ways

User Info Menu

Join Date

May 2008

Posts

2,377

Re: Willie PArker

Originally Posted by frankthetank1

so msm your blaming the stuff percentage on parker? that stat is all on the o-line. how could it be any fault of any rb if he is hit behind the line of scrimage? im glad you posted that stat because i brought it up yesterday how there was an enormous ammount of carries he had with a d-lineman already in the backfield before or as the handoff was made. that is not parkers fault at all and it also affects his ypc avg tremendously. go ahead and keep blaming parker though. its funny how the o-line doesnt have nearly as much accountability in the run game, but if ben takes any hits its all on the o-line. it goes both ways

It's funny that in the years that people thought that Bettis was finished, he had a lot of carries where he was hit in the backfield. When the o-line came together and he could actually hit the line running, he was more effective. Not that MSM is saying this, but it was said a lot on the other board, but I really can't see how so many people are ready to ditch WP, a guy who could have easily led the league in rushng yards last year, for an unproven rookie. Maybe Mendenhall will be that guy, but man.

User Info Menu

Join Date

Jun 2008

Posts

3,472

Re: Willie PArker

I noticed that Aaron Stecker is on your "Stuffs per carry Rankings" list in the 15th position. Stecker had 115 attempts last year. The Dump Truck, Davenport had 107 attemps last year and didn't crack the top 27. So what that tells me is Davenport had a HIGHER percentage of carries that he was stuffed on than Parker did. That in itself would lead me to believe that the O-line is the most important factor in this statistic ... not the running back.

What's even more interesting are some of the runners NOT on that list
LT - not there so he's worse than Parker
Adrian Peterson (Minn) - not there so he's worse than Parker
MJD (Jax goal line back) - not there so he's worse than Parker
Ryan Grant - not there so he's worse than Parker
Marshawn Lynch - not there so he's worse than Parker
Willis McGahee - not there so he's worse than Parker
Stephen Jackson - not there so he's worse than Parker
Kevin Jones - not there so he's worse than Parker
Chester Taylor - not there so he's worse than Parker
Jerious Norwood - not there so he's worse than Parker

Need I go on. It appears to me that some of the best backs in the league get stuffed more that Willie. I mean who would have thought Willie would be better than LT, AP and Stephen Jackson in this category? Evidently those guys can't run inside with power either.

User Info Menu

Join Date

May 2008

Posts

404

Re: Willie PArker

You guys all want to focus on the Stuffs and not anything else I posted.
And because of that your all missing the point. Yes , Tomlinson had few more stuffs
than parker. But he made up for those stuffs with a higher percentage of 10+ yard runs. Not to mention receiving Yards yards. Peterson is another one. Look at his 10+ yards run percentage. If Parker was breaking that many 10+ yard runs per his carries, we wouldn't concern ourselves as much with the stuffs. Read the whole post Fella's. Don't shoot the messenger. The Fact is Parker doesn't do anything especially well. Not on 1st and 2nd down. Not in the red zone. Not as a pass receiving threat. Not on long runs. He gets stuffed alot. We can do better at that postion.

User Info Menu

Join Date

May 2008

Location

cranberry township pa

Posts

269

Re: Willie PArker

Originally Posted by proudpittsburgher

Originally Posted by frankthetank1

so msm your blaming the stuff percentage on parker? that stat is all on the o-line. how could it be any fault of any rb if he is hit behind the line of scrimage? im glad you posted that stat because i brought it up yesterday how there was an enormous ammount of carries he had with a d-lineman already in the backfield before or as the handoff was made. that is not parkers fault at all and it also affects his ypc avg tremendously. go ahead and keep blaming parker though. its funny how the o-line doesnt have nearly as much accountability in the run game, but if ben takes any hits its all on the o-line. it goes both ways

It's funny that in the years that people thought that Bettis was finished, he had a lot of carries where he was hit in the backfield. When the o-line came together and he could actually hit the line running, he was more effective. Not that MSM is saying this, but it was said a lot on the other board, but I really can't see how so many people are ready to ditch WP, a guy who could have easily led the league in rushng yards last year, for an unproven rookie. Maybe Mendenhall will be that guy, but man.

I totally agree with you. Lets see if the NFL will take back FWP's 75yd Td run in XL. In '06 FWP had what 9 tds? In '07 was it two? Look at the decay in the O line after Hartings left in '06. With what he had to work with up front last year, its remarkable he didn't suffer two broken legs. FWP may not be a "complete" back, but he has added much to the Steeler O over the past few seasons. I just watched the Jags/Steelers reg season game of '07 again. I'm glad FWP was on our team. IF he would have been around for the PO game, we might have won!