Vox Day: I won’t feel bad if leftists are killed

Terrible fantasy author and worse human being Theodore “Vox Day” Beale expects leftist “blood to be shed” at the hands of his alt-right pals at some point in the near future. And he’s ok with that. Hell, he seems positively giddy at the prospect.

[S]omeone asked me, in my capacity as a known Alt-Right figure, if I would feel bad, or guilty, if blood were to be shed as a consequence of the Alt-Right’s refusal to submit to the threat of violence from Black Bloc, antifa, and the post-American Left.

The answer, quite simply, is no. Not even a little bit. The course is set. The consequences are inevitable. The socionomic verdict is clear and the time of positive social mood, economic expansion, and peace is over. What we’re seeing now are merely the first little steps towards the large-scale uncivil war that will be a significant part of the inevitable decline and collapse of the United States.

Alt-right shitbags sure do love fantasizing about Armageddon, huh?

Men have a responsibility to defend their families, their people, their nation, and their civilization, and I am very glad to see that there are still Americans, and Russians, and English, and nationalists of every civilized nation, who are willing to stand up and do so before it is too late.

“Civilization” apparently involves a lot of Pepe-posting, Hitler-saluting lunkheads “defending their families” by hitting leftists with sticks. And worse.

I think uncivil war and partition coming on the heels of economic collapse is the most likely outcome. Warlords, corporate armies, and 4GW forces will arise. Some polities will be ethnically cleansed, others will be mixed, either by choice or by defeat. Remember, homogeneous societies tend to arise from larger heterogeneous forebears.

That reminds me of a line from that masterpiece The Eye of Argon: “A dark red blotch upon the face of the earth, blotching things up.”

I get the impression from that ending that Theis was in a hurry to wrap things up, since it was almost the only damn time he failed to use a poorly-chosen synonym of a word. (The Eye of Argon was clearly written with a thesaurus near at hand, but no dictionary.)

@Emil
Hi, I’m an Asian person who is part of said Diversity that you say is causing an imbalance in the “natural order.” I would like to say welcome to the blog, and fall into a Lego set you piece of rotting flesh.
@PeeVee the (Noice) Sarcastic
Did he not check to see if that location was going to be receptive to his words?

Speaking of Vox, one of his latest literary efforts was contributing to the anthology Forbidden Thoughts, featuring a who’s-who of conservative and Neo-Nazi authors coming together to publish stories and essays on how oh so hard it is now to be politically incorrect and how it will inevitably lead to Nineteen Eighty-Four. It’s even got a foreword by Milo Yiannopoulos. Featuring essays by Tom Kratman and Larry Corriea; I imagine they whine about the Hugos.

A lot of you will probably agree with one of the foundational principles of the alt-right.

No

Let me explain:

Oh boy. Nothing good usually comes after that.

if you agree that white Americans are becoming increasingly racist, white nationalism is rising, and there is a potential for these whites to escalate towards violence, war, or even genocide, then you in some way accept that diversity+proximity=war.

No. I don’t think white Americans are becoming increasingly racist. A large chunk of them always were. What’s happening is that they’ve become increasingly threatened with loss of a smidgen of the white privilege they’ve always had. If you believe that proximity to people of color makes people more racist, you need to provide some sort of citation. I can say that I know plenty of people (including myself) who grew up in diverse neighborhoods and schools who are pretty damn far from being a genocidal alt-righter. Anecdotal, I know but it seems to me like it’s the white people who were always in a white bubble who get upset when POC move into the neighborhood/town.

Yeah, no. I’m pretty WASPy (atheist and my dad’s side of the family is Catholic, but I grew up Protestant) and yet I belong to the diversity supporting and progressive group. People who aren’t WASPs can be racist or anti-Semitic or Islamophobic. Your groups are way too over simplified.

Problem is these groups are diametrically opposed, and while both groups have a history of pushing legislation to control and undermine the other, the latter group has been far more successful for the past 50 years.

Like I said, people don’t fit into your little binary. And equal rights do nothing to control or undermine white Christians. White Christians still have all the rights. Stop projecting. Wanting rights for oneself is not equivalent to wanting to take away rights from others.

The alt right believes that when you have this kind of imbalance, which will always occur, the group losing ground will eventually boil over and become extremely violent and genocidal because they are fighting for the preservation of their tribal identity.

Just because they believe something, doesn’t mean it’s the truth. The alt-right is not fighting for tribal identity. They’re fighting to oppress others. Also, white isn’t a tribe. There’s all sorts of ethnic, cultural and religious diversity among white people. What the fuck is white tribal identity? As far as I can tell, anyone who thinks “white” is an important part of their identity is just looking for an excuse to be racist. It means little either genetically or culturally. I say that as someone who is so white that my legs are reflective when I go out in the sun wearing a skirt after being covered up for months in the Minnesota winter.

The bitter truth is that the liberal side, just as the religious white side, will not stop as both are fighting for values, for their own respective good and evil, and for the whites it is a fight for survival of their way of life.

What way of life? And you are aware that progressive white religious people exist, right? My white protestant aunt goes to a church that has gay pride flags hanging up in it. Also not all religions that white people belong to are Christian. Religious doesn’t necessarily mean Christian.

There is an argument to be made that perhaps there is no compromise to be made and if the left continues to push the whites into the corner the whites will rear up and commit heinous acts of genocide.

What corner? How are whites pushed into a corner? What the everloving fuck has happened to whites that even remotely justifies genocidal violence? Seriously. What the fuck is wrong with you?

Most of the alt right leaders, deeply wish for a peaceful transition into separate states for instance, but most have little hope that this is possible.

They are free to pool their money and buy their own private island to form their own state and not allow non whites and non Christians in. Go ahead and peacefully leave. None of the already established nations have ever been all white and all protestant Christian. You have no right whatsoever to commit genocide and then blame it on the victim for daring to exist in your precious little snowflake existence. Fuck off and leave those of us who don’t love genocide in peace. Don’t even buy an island. Blast yourself off into space. None of the flora and fauna on any islands deserve you either.

I think Emil has a point. Take the history of Medieval and Renaissance England. It was a white, Christian country surrounded by other white, Christian countries and so I can only assume that there were never any wars there.

Most of the alt right leaders, deeply wish for a peaceful transition into separate states for instance, but most have little hope that this is possible.

Source, please.
They sure don’t do anything to reach that goal.

As for the proximity thing – yes, going from a tiny town with nearly no contact to anyone with more than a slight tan to a large city, a school with a refugee-program I’m active in and lots of contact to a not-blood-little-sister and her mother who are not white has made me MORE racist. Sure. Totally. Hell, I can barely contain myself from shooting people.

Hi. I’m a white Protestant American. Of German descent, even–my great grandparents still spoke German and my grandmother could understand it.

I have *no* problem at all with America becoming more diverse. From my front porch I can see the houses of my neighbors; some are black, some are white, one is Phillipino, the family across the street are Mexican, the couple up the block are mixed race. They are lovely and have helped me mow my lawn and shovel my driveway, and they even checked on me after a bad storm. My way of life is threatened by exactly none of them.

And oh yeah, my German great-grandparents? They were Mennonites, and were so deeply pacifist that they emigrated to another country rather than get forced into military service in their own. I’m *pretty* doggone sure they wouldn’t be punching young women in the street because of politics.

Not only was the con lying about their non-profit status, and not only was the ex-con chair on the sex offender registry; when all this started to blow up the aforementioned ex-con chair sent a rather bizarre ‘cease and desist’ letter to the person who had originally made the joking comment about punching nazis. In that letter he described himself as a ‘Chief Executive Contract Law Officer’, used all sorts of vaguely threatening but legally meaningless language, and then signed in red ink with a red thumbprint. All of which is classic Sovereign Citizen activity.

Emil | April 18, 2017 at 11:01 pm
A lot of you will probably agree with one of the foundational principles of the alt-right.

Holy shit, you’re coming out swingin’ aren’t cha?

I somehow fucking doubt it, but let’s all see what you have to say. Surely you know what you’re talking about, right?

Let me explain: if you agree that white Americans are becoming increasingly racist,

Hello, yes, white person here. I don’t think that white people are becoming “increasingly” racist. I think that white people are born into and taught racism. We’re born into a racist society that puts more value on us for being white, and we absorb these attitudes and thoughts from other white people around us.

I have racist family members. Some more racist than others. I learned my attitudes from them, as children do.

What I think is happening is NOT that people are becoming “increasingly” racist, but rather that they’re more comfortable with being OPENLY racist. Two very different things.

Now that they feel that their views are acceptable, they’re more open about it. They were always racist, but now they think that it’s acceptable to let it out of their headspace, and into whatever space will have them.

white nationalism is rising, and there is a potential for these whites to escalate towards violence, war, or even genocide, then you in some way accept that diversity+proximity=war.

No. What I see is “racism becomes acceptable because we elected a man who ran on a platform of racism, whereas the previous president was a Man of Color and therefore it wasn’t as acceptable in most places => The man who ran on a platform of racism emboldens the white people who were ALREADY racist, and they decide that now’s the time to “Make America Great Again” by kicking out all the non-white people => Conflict”

If only the world was so nice as to fit into neat little boxes, amirite?

The problem is that you’re wrong. Severely so. Even if we were to break it down into ONLY two groups, those groups wouldn’t be WASPs and “diversity supporting, progressive value liberal identity groups”, it would be “People who are okay with racism or who are racists themselves” and “People who are not okay with racism”.

Problem is these groups are diametrically opposed,

Those two groups aren’t really. There’s a (not) surprising amount of overlap.

and while both groups have a history of pushing legislation to control and undermine the other, the latter group has been far more successful for the past 50 years.

“I’m oppressed because LIBRULS are taking away MUH RIGHTS as a CHRISTIAN!”

Much oppress. Such wow.

Here’s a challenge for you: Name ONE way that “diversity supporting, progressive value liberal identity groups” have tried to “control” and “undermine” WASPs.

Bonus points if it doesn’t involve taking away the ability to oppress and discriminate against other people.

The alt right believes that when you have this kind of imbalance, which will always occur, the group losing ground will eventually boil over and become extremely violent and genocidal because they are fighting for the preservation of their tribal identity.

Seriously, what “tribe” are they identifying with? There’s so many people who are white that trying to claim a “white tribe” would be like trying to claim an “Asian tribe” as a singular group of people.

There’s Scottish, Swedish, English, American, French, Anglo-Saxon, and so on and so forth.

There’s so many people who are white that trying to claim a “white tribe” would be fucking silly.

So, you’re saying that the alt-right neo-nazis are losing ground and their “tribal identity” is under attack? and that’s why they’re threatening to kill people?

And this is acceptable…how?

The bitter truth is that the liberal side, just as the religious white side, will not stop as both are fighting for values, for their own respective good and evil, and for the whites it is a fight for survival of their way of life.

If “our way of life” consists of rampant bigotry, then as a white person, I vote that we burn this shit to the ground and start over.

There is an argument to be made that perhaps there is no compromise to be made and if the left continues to push the whites into the corner the whites will rear up and commit heinous acts of genocide.

“Don’t do what we say, and we’ll kill you! It’ll be all your fault for not listening and refusing to comply!”

Most of the alt right leaders, deeply wish for a peaceful transition into separate states for instance, but most have little hope that this is possible.

The problem isn’t that they want to “transition into separate states” so much that it’s they’re trying to shove out/murder people who already live in their areas so they can claim it as “theirs”.

Space Oddity
April 18, 2017 at 10:50 pm
On the “terrible writer” part–don’t forget he’s also a shitty editor and a wretched publisher, who has gotten himself nominated for the Hugos for several years now by abusing the nomination process–the whole Puppy mess.

And trust me–he’s really, really TERRIBLE at editing.

Wait, putting two consecutive chapter 5s in a screed about essjews is bad editing now?

And that explains why English is so popular as communication language between people who speak it equally poorly. Made for the purpose from beginning 🙂

*laughs* Well, pretty much. While the primary cause of English being the modern trade tongue probably derives from the fact that Britain and the U.S. have dominated international politics for the last few centuries, the other part of it is that English is a very flexible and ‘robust’ language. (By ‘robust’ I mean that you can get tenses, vowels, word order, and conjugation wrong, and still usually be understood as long as you aren’t trying to be too fancy.) That makes English (or at least a particular subset of it) one of the better languages for communication between two people that only have it as a second language.

I’ve been at international scientific conferences before. Sometimes the native English speakers are the ones that have the most trouble being understood unless they know to limit themselves to the ‘International English’ subset.

There are, broadly, two groups in the US. The White Protestant Anglo-Saxon identity group, and the multiracial, diversity supporting […] group.

(emphasis mine)

Ooh, nice own goal!

If one entire side of the argument is pro-diversity, then they’ve somehow figured out how to have diversity without leading to war, eh? Which knocks out the entire “too much diversity is a demonstrably bad thing” peg from your argument. Diversity isn’t inherently bad, you just don’t like it, and are grasping at straws trying to frame your feelings as objective fact.

The full text of your equation should read: “your diversity + proximity to us = us starting a war”. You, in your own words, have singled out yourself as the problem.

As far as I can tell, anyone who thinks “white” is an important part of their identity is just looking for an excuse to be racist

Nit-picking: Where I am now, my whiteness is an important part of my identity.

My whiteness means the local Inuit have a well-founded predisposition to be very skeptical of any claims I might make that I want to help them. It means I’m at high risk of not sticking around for long — a year or two. It means I might want to buy some artwork (seriously, any time I’m in a public place frequented by white people, Inuit people are wandering around, proposing beautiful artwork and mitts and hats to all the white people… and half-jokingly to the Inuit too).

This is important, but it’s not something that I value and want to perpetuate — much the contrary. When I toured Thailand, I struck out for the parts that weren’t western tourist traps (though they may be Thai tourist traps). There, I was a fellow human being who needed a bit extra help because I was illiterate, barely could speak, and didn’t know how anything worked. Similarly in Greece, in the inland northwest, near Albania and Macedonia — it’s a very different feel than on the islands.

Is the fact that you’re white of central importance to you, though? It will directly impact how you interact with others, but is it something that you consider to be a defining characteristic that must be recognized? I’d say there’s a pretty significant difference between “I happen to be white in an area where that comes with several stereotypes which directly affect me” and “I’m proud because I’m white”.

I think I got into a brief exchange with one of this chucklewit’s followers on the Brigade forum, which I now tend to avoid because it got pretty toxic pretty quickly. This was before Lord Dampnut was given the green light to take over the White House by the Electoral College. Said assclown was fapping over how there would be blood in the streets if Clinton won, it would be Teh Civle War!!!111!!11

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