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Re: Campaign launched against anti-Sharia law bill

You do understand the complete disconnect from reality the idea of stoning someone made legal because one minority religious group wasn't persecuted requires, right?

Is there really anything vaguely resembling a slight possibility of a majority of law-makers being extreme muslims in this country?

I'd be more concerned about a group of extremist christians making stoning gays legal than this. But neither is anywhere close to plausible. This sort of law is purely symbolic "nationalism" at its worst.

You're kidding right? Christians stoning gays? You bash Christians as being homophobic and stick up for Islamism. Unbelievable {shakes head} I'll pray for you and everyone who "liked" your post.

Re: Campaign launched against anti-Sharia law bill

What Sharia Law means depends on the person.... Some people don't understand that. They hear "Sharia Law" and they freak out... I call that ignorance.

Another false statement, Sharia Law is strict adherance to the teachings of the Koran. Anyone who is pushing this is not trying to do otherwise and if they tell you this they are lying.

Here... try reading from the Koran which is where Sharia comes from.. not just whatever in ten different versions as you'd have us think. I pulled up some of the links on treatment of women to hopefully educate you if thats possible.

Some insist that the veil is not mandated by the religion, although they do not have anything within the sacred texts to counter the passages in which Muhammad instructed its use. In fact, verse 24:60 says that the veil is only optional for unmarried women who are too old to have children, and even then the freedom to uncover the head is discouraged.

This is just a small portion I could post plenty more but I think you get the picture...

Luckily most muslims do not practice Sharia law or want to as they appear to like the freedoms we have here in this country. The Islamists follow the book fairly close so it is puzzling why you would say it was ok for them to practice it in this country. Do you realize the can of worms we'd be opening if we started to allow it in this country? Take a look at Britain where whole neiborhoods are now practicing Sharia in England separate from English law. Do you want that here?

Re: Campaign launched against anti-Sharia law bill

This is as pathetic, hateful & absurdly false of a comment as I've read here in recent days.

Please show us where the huge rise in Mosque fires was? Liar

How about the huge rise in violence against against Muslims? You cant or you'll have to look awefully hard for scraps. If anything with Fort Hood & other incidents it was the other way around.

The truth here is plain for us to see that you cant tolerate people with a different opinion than yourself so you throw out crap like this and expose your bigotry and intolerance.

Whats even more amazing is your defense of supporters of Sharia law which is about as hateful & intolerant of a law that could possibly be.

So what is it ignorance? prejudice? or maybe you agree with Sharia?

Like how she said the GOP attacked the mosque?

Since over 70% of the population was against it, I guess the GOP has grown.
Besides, there were plenty on the right who didn't have a problem with it. It was the first time in a long time there was bi-partisanship on something.

Re: Campaign launched against anti-Sharia law bill

This is as pathetic, hateful & absurdly false of a comment as I've read here in recent days.

Please show us where the huge rise in Mosque fires was? Liar

How about the huge rise in violence against against Muslims? You cant or you'll have to look awefully hard for scraps. If anything with Fort Hood & other incidents it was the other way around.

The truth here is plain for us to see that you cant tolerate people with a different opinion than yourself so you throw out crap like this and expose your bigotry and intolerance.

Whats even more amazing is your defense of supporters of Sharia law which is about as hateful & intolerant of a law that could possibly be.

So what is it ignorance? prejudice? or maybe you agree with Sharia?

How exactly am I being bigoted? I didn't accuse anybody of setting fires at Mosques... and there was a lot of news reports about fires, shootings, and violence. I can look up news articles if I must, but I have a feeling that wouldn't change your opinion...

I am not supporting Sharia Law... First of all, Sharia Law means many different things, and there are different schools of it. However, the most fundamental aspects of it are things like dietary laws, hygiene, marriage, and table manners. Really, I don't have a problem with that.

Re: Campaign launched against anti-Sharia law bill

Originally Posted by Barbbtx

Like how she said the GOP attacked the mosque?

Since over 70% of the population was against it, I guess the GOP has grown.
Besides, there were plenty on the right who didn't have a problem with it. It was the first time in a long time there was bi-partisanship on something.

They were the most vocal on opposing the NYC mosque... I wasn't saying the gop attacked Mosques and set them on fire

Re: Campaign launched against anti-Sharia law bill

70% of those polled cetainly doersn't easily extrapolate to 70% of a large population, especially if the sample size is, in comparison to the population this is being applied to, is minuscule.

Nationalism in high dosages may be hazardous to your health. Please consult a psychiatrist before beginning a regular regimen, and if feelings of elitism and douchbaggery continue, discontinue immediately before you become unable to do so on your own.

Re: Campaign launched against anti-Sharia law bill

Originally Posted by X Factor

Let's talk about religious tolerance. Was it France that recently banned the burkha? I thought that was a really interesting debate. Without having a dog in that fight, I could see both sides. On one hand, religious expression is being stifled (and for that reason such a ban wouldn't fly in the US), on the other, the burka is seen as a sign of oppression of women. So, what interest is more important? Should oppression be tolerated in the name of religious freedom?

The key words are: "seen as a sign"

Appearance of oppression if not the same as oppression. What France did was trying to get at a problem by attack what might be construed as a symptom and it's easy to attack the minority in this case since there's popular support.

Using a more extreme example, there are those that strongly believe that female circumcision (or genital mutilation depending on your POV) is important to keep a girl from having pre-marital sex. From their perspective (arguing it as best as I can understand it), sure it's painful, but what's a few hours of pain in this lifetime when compared to potentially protecting her eternal soul? On the other hand, our laws would likely see it as child abuse, especially if practiced the way it is in certain countries. So, what prevails here? Religious freedom or protecting a child?

The law has clear limits on our freedom. Harming a child is illegal, no arguement about religious freedom or whatever superceeds that. Religious abitration takes place within the limits of the Law, anything that violates the Law, i.e. illegal, is punishable by Law.

Originally Posted by Free_Radical

And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

Re: Campaign launched against anti-Sharia law bill

Originally Posted by Redress

Could some one show me some examples of these contracts? I am not saying they don't exist(I trust Dan, so if he says they do, they probably do), but have never heard of this before and I find myself at a loss to envision such a contract.

Islamic banking is an example. It is done according to Islamic Law which is against usury.

Originally Posted by Free_Radical

And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

Re: Campaign launched against anti-Sharia law bill

Originally Posted by Redress

Could some one show me some examples of these contracts? I am not saying they don't exist(I trust Dan, so if he says they do, they probably do), but have never heard of this before and I find myself at a loss to envision such a contract.

Sure. For instance, a delicatessen has a contract with a provisioning company to provide various meats for it's sandwiches. In the contract is going to be a provision that the meat must be kosher.