Murat, you are too easy. A pushover. Buck up and overcome all those influences you whine about. This forum is not a device to move everyone’s attention to your boring hang-ups and away from achieving communication about more important and vastly more interesting subjects.

Think about this: If I want to communicate with a French speaking individual (actually have that person understand my words and meaning), I would choose to speak or write in French, in his or her language. I would choose to focus on their understanding me rather than on my showing off and boasting about my own self-interest in everything Me. If I want to communicate with a Russian speaking person, I would choose to speak or write in Russian. I would make a like decision if I were communicating with a Spaniard; or a Chinese; or a Bantu; or an English speaking person.

Now, since I speak only English, if I wanted badly enough to communicate with a person who speaks another language, I would first write my thought in English, and then find a way, probably on the Internet, to translate the English into whatever language was needed. Of course, I would not go to that trouble unless I truly wanted to communicate.

Sometimes having people hear me babble is not enough. Sometimes having people understand my thinking is quite important. I understand, though, that sometimes it is tempting to have people fail to understand what one says. Throwing a communication monkey wrench into a discussion can be a complete blast, a perfect way to show a kind of clever contempt for everyone else.

Once, in Mexico, an acquaintance thought it would be fun to antagonize and disrespect some Mexicans who were politely and generously trying to speak to us in English. My acquaintance and another guy began speaking in pig Latin. Of course, no communication took place. But my acquaintances were quite pleased with themselves. I call them acquaintances because I refuse to call them friends. At this point, since my point is made, I need no longer call them anything but shameful, disgusting, disgraceful, spoiled Americans, or worse.

re Larry :
"Think about this: If I want to communicate with a French speaking individual (actually have that person understand my words and meaning), I would choose to speak or write in French, in his or her language. I would choose to focus on their understanding me rather than on my showing off and boasting about my own self-interest in everything Me. If I want to communicate with a Russian speaking person, I would choose to speak or write in Russian. I would make a like decision if I were communicating with a Spaniard; or a Chinese; or a Bantu; or an English speaking person. "

... that is; a characteristic a paragraph; HOW; U'r generation; has moved, i n ," social -life " ..b e a snake, " be like him/her; " and U can ; locate U'r self, very e a i s l y ; i n t o, him/her..
... Susanne has made a similar sentence; " I spoke 2 him in his language " , also ..which, I did not like ..b u t , I skip, i t ..it was only one, sentence , alone ..
..L A R R Y; " B E; U'r self, O N L y ..
..be true 2 U'r self; first .. ( but U did not MAKE; that BODY; -in U'r youth; because U did not raised, 4 that ..) , of U'r OWN; that is ; designed ; " not d u e 2, the " others-around " " ..

..but there is an OTHER-GOD;( of emperors) that has -2 TAKE ..( not give)
( because when given things are accumulated, too much, there has 2 b e; someone to
take them; from u s ..)
( and that " GOD-2TAKE " ; E R A; begins, , and GOD2give-ERA,has 2, fade away .. )

..but of course; after a while, they will remember;
THAT; " GOD2TAKE " ; h a s to , b e ABLE; 2- G i v e ; alSO ..
...and that is HOW; i t; ; G i v e s " ..
(..a completely , an other system of, giving ..
..MONEY; system; i s ; an OTHER; K i n d, of a SYSTEM; to
b e able 2-give, Human needs ..)

..and all happen, i n ( the sake of ) ; " WALLSTREET-FiNANCE-SYSTEM "..
..s o, i f U , are in that; " chain-system-of-capitalist-galleries-System " , then;
that MONEY; i s, the MONEY; of that; Capitalist-System .. (OWNED by-Them..)
..n o t; coming from the ; " hearts of the, Human " ..( and as if it has to satisfy-human needs, also .. they are to satisfy the needs of that; Capitalist-imperial-SYSTEM ..
in the first-row .. -D .

..when come to b e; a " commie ".. i s s u e ..
I belive i n " commune " system .. where every-thing is " a half ", and every half can help each other ..( there are commune -system s ; established, i n İsrael, also ..and was in USA .and that is not related, to that " COMMUNist-System o f " t h e ; Soviet " ..

..I think , an ARTist has to , b e ; a " commie " .. though .
( that is , commie-disciplines, are very sharp, -even religion disciplines are not, that sharp- ..)
...and art,has to include, these, " sharp disciplines,first; 4 the artist, itself ..
..and they are not for, " the common; ordinary-people " ; as was, in Soviet s.

..i t can be said as that way ..
I DO; not " digest ALPHABET " .. in my Brain ..
( so people are, slow ; as their brain, digest, the alphabet , also, , with the flow of the things ,in the M i n d ..S O; flow of things are SLOW ..
..and expression; is to MAKE-fast, these things i n the ; M i n d ; " outWards " ..

William, m y M i n d; and the things, i n my Mind can flow, very fast ..
..I can make " slalom " with these, letters; b u t; readers from outside, can not ..
( because they do not know, where the flags , a r e. )

..that i s ; people ..; MAKE all U'r art; i n a " accidental ", STATE ..
( it has to be accidents, -when THiNGs can CRUSH-into each other, freely and genuinely..in the track of actual f a c t s ..
... t h e n; that will b e ; a TOTALLY; SECULAR; an EXPRESSiON; (not expressionism)
o f; what has been installed; i n U; by the MEANs; o f true; iMPRESSİONs ..

..and because, (if we try to make our body-human-body by sports),
we are still-HUMAN; the creation, i n us; shall, b e ; " LEAK;&install; or procekted " , into that accidentally; M A D E; a r t ..
..and because it didi not make a tour, in a religion system; ; our creation will b e,
"p u r e ", in ; art-ACCİDENTal..

and that will satisfy our; needs; o f being; H u m a n ..
( but still , sports are t h e main source; for our Human-bodies; as i t still has that;
,, " human -body-itself " ..to copy from .

I was a teacher in High School once, teaching chemistry, ,and gave chance to express their " thinkings " ; in the class.. (2 these " the most stupid & idiot made students ") , perfectly-MADE; IDiots.. ; b y ,t h e (other teachers..) ..there were some clever and high talented, ; much-working -students, ( and they have to be MADE; dominant in the, society ..) ( and they should, s a v e , the; future of t h e; C o u n t r y .. ) ..only ..by their high studies ..

There was a " police-&army " state, in the school, ..every-ordinary, under pressure. all has been made easy, some has to save the country and others should, b e under the ground ..
..they fired m e , out of school; because, everyone was asking everything, in the school, and teachers; has to work, much more than, they planed ..

I was a teacher in High School once, teaching chemistry, ,and gave chance to express their " thinkings " ; in the class.. (2 these " the most stupid & idiot made students ") , perfectly-MADE-IDIOTs , ; b y ,t h e (other teachers..) ..there were some clever and high talented, ; much-working -students, ( and they have to be MADE; dominant in the, society ..) ( and they should, s a v e , the; future of t h e; C o u n t r y .. ) ..only ..by their high studies ..

There was a " police-&army " state, in the school, ..every-ordinary, were under-pressure. all has been made easy, some has to save the country and others should, b e under the ground ..
..they fired m e , out of school; because, everyone (every-student) was asking " everything " , in the school, and teachers; has to work, much more than, they planed ..

Brain itself is; " IDIOT " ..( like computers are ) ..and I had to DO; &MAKE; m u c h, to get that; " IDIOT " side, of , my Brain.. ..(because I was MADE; one of these high talented, and successful -students, once ) .. and I was to , be totally; " stupid "(or an IDIOT) , to eliminate that; " RATiO-Cleverness " ; also , that PUBLiC; has taught, m e, for years ..
( be wise all the time ..)

.. THiNGs, has to b e installed, i n2 the m i n d, by daily DO i n g s.
Artist has to live systemic, (as art is an other system,too ),in many disciplines ..and making multi arts has2 be in these, multi D O i n g s .
S O, artist has to D O; arts, during the day ..(as he lives in them )(writing, sport-makings, playing Piano, painting e.c.t.).. and has to live accidentally ,also..

..but the most important stage (phase) for all that; art-effort; i s to write,..and I offer, to write as a " Buddhists-performance " .. That is, U have to write 4 basic writings (with 4 headlines) to a page ..( that is, a square, that does stop the roll of that ; Mind &Thinking ..) ..and that writing, starts, that, surreal, " automatism ; of that THiNG "; occurred, i n the Mind, by the means of all, deeds..l i v e d , i n, daily-l i f e , ..(also as (in); art discipline-D O in g s ..)

Elwood, U shouldn't have any problems with any of those WORDS;-&their meaning- , then U can understand, why I USED; them in that way ..( for the sake of telling something, differently..for a new THiNG; can occur in my writing ..) I can guess o f , .. -D .
..belive m e, I am not in pain ..
or I am not injecting " any pain " ; a s I am ; a PAiN T e r, also ..
I can install my pain; i n t o ; PAiNT; b e f o r e , i t becomes, PAiN o f mine .
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Elwood H., 02/06/14 11:17 tarihinde şunları yazdı:
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I see my name, but I did not bother to read it. Your still a pain.

Harry.. if I would have to define a " DEFENSE " STRATEGy " ; for ; USA,, and I should have to design, a " great wall o f CHiNA " .. ( 4 USA) ..then..
( ..did U know, that wall was made, to stop Middle-Asian-TURKs; enter-China .. )

..L e t me describe the GREAT; WALL; for USA ..
..first of all, USA citizens are still, the fundamental-LAND-and-City-REAL-ESTATE-HOLDERs, i n the ; country ..
..i f U are to TURN-U'r FACE; to these, n e w ; people, that came into USA; then; U will lose that; " cultural-war " ; ..
..when they turn U'r FACEs; to them; U begin to CHANGE; according to their, culture ..A optimization has to occur, or balanced ..( but that will bring that result of, GALLUP " couture upside-DAWN " .. )

Harry, U reminded m e; " WHAT; I w a s, o n c e " .
.. when I had much time, (i n my youth) , I used to go " some-films ", , " 7 times " ..
..I was saying, ; that film includes , also; " hallucinations-of-art " ;
( and those hallucinations , are the " most core " parts
of t h e art-THiNG; , and I have to -WAS2- memorize t h e m ..
as visions ..)
...that film did not finish, y e t . (in one watch )..

I did not see it ; " every-THiNG; , in vision-means " ;
.. and " I " ; have to , ; " MAKE-it-all-Vision " ..
( i f a Film is, " a pure-Vision " ; only ;
.. or if " I was 2 be a painter " ; where all was 2 be, ViSiONs; ONLY ..
in the paintings .. ))

..and that; " yellow-SUBmarine ,song of Beatles .. " ..
.. I hated, that song ,in the very beginning .. and I never listen to i t ..
and it was an anti-magnet to rush " the other side of ; T H E -B e a t l e s ) ..

.. U can not DRAW; (Figures) and , put color on and in-between , these, line s..

..i t wouldn't match .. ( color and " line "; has to free, -and simultaneous- both ..when they ; meet, i n the paint ..)
( and lines should come from early-TEXts-written-by -the hand of the artist-painter , unconsciously ..-but in contemporary texts are about what U see. - )

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1954 born in Istanbul -Turkeyin Ankara- Turkey ,since 1962Basketball in the team&,chorus,in Opera House;When ChildChemical Engineering Graduated ,in Hacettepe Univ. Ankara Turkey..married & two childrenChemistry teacher in High school for 5 years..An Every day writer ,painter,music maker,basketball player since childhood till today..(My Job is to do these all dedicated to ART)- should doing these continuously change the WAY The ART flows..