I believe the BCS formula doesn't use the integer rank, but instead weights the number of points a team recieved. If this is the case, then Florida and Michigan are nearly a tie as far as the polls go; the computers will decide the outcome.

well, I just reread all the "bcs explanation" and how it all works. now, I'm more confused than ever and need a drink. I did see that Tressel abstained from voting - haven't figured out if I admire that yet, or if he took the easy way out when he had a chance to really screw us.Oy! what a day.is it 8:00 yet?

Actually that would be commendable on Tressel's part if he did abstain. Both he and Carr act like gentlemen, whereas Urban Meyer, the BCS head and the UF President have all been whining about the possibility of Michigan going to the title game for weeks. They actually should be reprimanded for that.

The only way to prove these SEC crybabies wrong is to see them get slaughtered by Ohio State....which they will with their sloppy play and arrogant attitude.

well, i'm not pissed FLA is going to get the shot. we had ours. they're a good team, and arguably, as good as michigan. that's not my bitch.

what i am pissed about is that this vote is being jobbed to set up the game "america wants to see", and not select "#1 vs #2".

to the point- anon 11:32- you're just wrong in your analysis. not because it isn't correct, but because that is NOT the reason the polls our being shifted so sharply.

if anyone voting had thought that data was relevant, why did FLA stay behind us the last 3 weeks? if SC had won, do you really think FLA would have moved from #4 to #3 based on that performance last night? have you heard anyone even suggest that FLA would beat Michigan if they played head to head?

no. this isn't about which team is better- and my apologies to FLA fans who naturally think they are- but the poll didn't shift overnight because the rest of the world woke up this a.m. and suddenly decided you were better than michigan.

this is ALL contrived to keep the big ten from locking up the mnc before the game.

I thought this quote from Carr earlier this week pretty much says it all when it comes to the class shown by Urban Meyer and everyone aboard the Florida campaign team:

"I think it's going to be a great controversy, I don't care who gets selected," Carr said, "because I just think that based on some of the comments the Florida coach has made in the last two weeks -- campaigning strenuously for a berth in the championship game -- and making some statements about Michigan that I think were inappropriate.

"That certainly is going to stir a controversy and who knows what that's going to lead to."

Carr has passed on a chance to lobby for his team, which lost to Ohio State during the regular season. The picks were to be announced Sunday night.

First let me say I'm not a big fan of either OSU, UM, or UF. I like Notre Dame, and yes, we're overrated. But I do like Tressel, and think he did the "honorable" thing by not voting.

The whole BCS system is flawed, but read my opinion statement for the whole thing.

The SEC is over-rated, and I hope the Gators do go play the Buckeyes and get their ASS kicked. Maybe then all of the SEC fans will shut up about how great their conference is, how much better it is than the Big 10, Pac 10, Big 12, etc. And the media is just as bad... Vern Lundquist last night was probably jacking off while talking about the SEC.

For you Michigan fans, that was one of the BEST games at the Horseshoe. It coulda gone either way. I just don't think Lloyd Carr can win the big game... or beat Jim Tressel.

A) Kudos to Tressel for acting in a classy way on this oneB) This whole thing was jobbed--do you think any other conference wants the Big 1(11)0 to get ALL the BCS Championship $$$$????No. It's all about the cash.

I'm betting that we are in the Orange Bowl....You think that the Rose wants to give back all that potential money from LSU fans???? hmmmmm

I think it is a classy move and a smart move by Tressel. He's going to be criticized any way he voted and by not voting it left the media with one less thing to waste time with until the game.

Howard21, I agree. This is the first time I have ever agreed with something Tressel has done. He would have gotten blasted either way he went, so from a PR standpoint he did the right thing. With that said, I would like to know who he thought was #2 though. Does anyone know how he voted after "the game?"

Look at the bright side. Between OSU and UM the Big Ten should finish #1 and #2. With any luck Wiscy will win too.

Illibuck, I'm hoping for that. What can the SEC blowhards say (and I live with them) if OSU wins, UM wins, and Wisc wins? Assuming LSU plays ND and wins, the final poll could easily have three Big 10 teams in the top five, something like: 1. OSU, 2. UM, 3. LSU, 4. Wisc, 5. Louisville if they beat Wake. Or maybe you could interchange Wisc and Louisville. Or even better, interchange LSU and Wisc, but I think I'm asking too much there. :)

Eh, too early to think about that now. The bowl games gotta be played.

This is utter bullshit. As I said before, UF would still be #4 had USC won against UCLA.

And I give Kirk Herbstreit props for saying this: one should vote for UF or UM as #2 only if he truly believes that that team is #2 in the country, and not based on whom he believes deserves a shot at OSU. Vote about who you truly believe is #2, and ignore whether or not you believe that UM deserves a rematch.

I have a real axe to grind with Urban Creyer. That fucking asshole has probably been lobbying for people to vote in UF like the classless POS that he is. If UF unfairly goes, then please OSU, shut that crybaby up.

We should be burning effigies of that asshole Meyer here in Ann Arbor.

"Vote about who you truly believe is #2, and ignore whether or not you believe that UM deserves a rematch"

Vote for who you truly believe is #2 in the country, and forget about how you feel about a rematch between OSU and UM. And the most disgusting thing about this? That UF had a rematch against FSU in 1996. Utter bullshit.

You are correct, we lost to #1 Ohio State, At Ohio State, by 3 points.

Flordia Lost to #11 Aubrun at Auburn by 10 pts.

So you could say, if Florida wanted a shot to play in the BCS NC Bowl then they should have A) Lost to a "higher ranked" team by less or B) not lost.

So, to say Michigan had their shot is also saying so did Flordia and they also lost.

As big of a U of M fan as I am, I rather almost see U of M get into the Rose Bowl and smack USC in the mouth and see Florida get their ASS handed to them by OSU. Becuase lets face it, unlike Arkansas, OSU isnt going to hand them 14 points.

You are all talking about the "SEC loosing all bowl games" or "UF will get their a.. kicked by OSU"...but what if that wont happen?

Either you all can see into the future or you just happen to have so much understanding of college football to foresee this...but asking me,UF will have a 50% of winning against OSU as well as UM would have had.

The news means that USC will play Michigan, not Louisiana State, in the Rose Bowl on Jan. 1.

LSU had pre-sold more than 42,000 tickets in advance of making its first-ever Rose Bowl appearance, but UCLA's upset win over previously No. 2 USC on Saturday, coupled with Florida's win over Arkansas in the Southeastern Conference championship game, changed the final pairings.

The BCS bowl lineup is now expected to be:

Rose: USC vs. Michigan.

Sugar: Notre Dame vs. LSU.

Orange: Louisville vs. Wake Forest.

Fiesta: Oklahoma vs. Boise State.

Florida's jump over No. 3 Michigan, which was idle Saturday and has not played since a three-point loss to No. 1 Ohio State on Nov. 18, likely will cause more uproar in BCS circles.

This will mark the fifth time in the nine-year history of the BCS that there has been controversy involving the title-game participants.

In the end, enough voters in the Harris Interactive and USA Today coaches' polls moved Florida to No. 2, ahead of Michigan, on their final ballots.

Ohio State Coach Jim Tressel released a statement today saying he did not vote in the final coaches' poll to avoid the perception of a conflict of interest.

"After consultation with my director of athletics, Gene Smith, and based on our unique position in the BCS standings, I believe it is only fair that we not participate (in) the final poll," Tressel said in a statement.

Michigan and Florida each finished the regular season with one loss, on the road. Michigan was 11-1 with its defeat at Ohio State, while 12-1 Florida lost at Auburn.

Florida picked up 66 points on Michigan in the coaches' poll and finished with a 26-point advantage.

B) This whole thing was jobbed--do you think any other conference wants the Big 1(11)0 to get ALL the BCS Championship $$$$????

Michigan gets the same BCS payout whether they are in the title game or Rose. First conference team into the BCS gets 14-17 million, second conference team in gets around 5. Doesn't really matter what BCS bowl it is.

I know you guys are pissed, and may be correct in believing Michigan should have the shot, but here's the reality of the human based system we live in:

Voters believed the champ of a tough conference like the SEC couldn't be kept out versus the second place team of the Big 10.

Its that simple.

I thought OSU got robbed in the first year of the BCS, as voters elected to send Bobby Bowden's zero offense Seminoles against Nebraska, and Nebraska later killed them in the championship bowl. But, OSU lost to MSU and left it in the hands of humans: always a bad move.

I will be cheering to see Michigan slaughter Petey's band of Hollywood pretty boys.

Try not to forget that before The Game Tressel stated publicly that he did not want a rematch regardless of who won and Carr expressed the same sentiment. A big deal was made about that in an article on ESPN.com. So if you don't see Carr actively campaigning don't crap on him if you think he should or pat him on the back if you think he shouldn't. He already rolled the dice on an NC and he's living with the result. We all should do the same.

You all can't be serious with the being mad at Urban Meyer for lobbying.

Please, the man is a head coach of the team thats his job to stand up for his team and say why he thinks their the best. Is it his fault Lloyd Carr has no backbone to buck up and say what he thinks instead of looking like a dumbass on ESPN. Please.

Your "We were speechless and classy and did not cry" case is dumb. Urban Meyer did what he had to, to get his team where he seemed fit. Survival of the fittest.

Please get off the 3 point loss bandwagon, Michigan got beat they didn't barley lose. They got beat.

Also Auburn beat Florida by 3, for those who watched that game knows that Auburn scored on the last play of the game when Florida was trying a "Music City Miricale" "Cal vs. Stanford" type play and fumbled it and Auburn ran it back.

YOU did whine. Michigan fans DID whine. Lloyd Carr was the only one classy enough to not whine. Don't try to take the high road because your coach did. UM fans are whining all over every Wolverine message board. The Anon that you were replying to didn't say anything about Carr or Michigan not whinig. He called Um fans out. You guys are no better than Urban Meyer - he just has a bigger audience

although i can understand tressel's motivation for not voting, i personally feel it's a chickenshit excuse and not very admirable at all. what coach doesn't have a "conflict of interest"? not only this poll, but all of them? if they're afraid to live with the consequences of voting for who they feel are the best teams then they probably shouldn't be doing any voting at all.

and didn't something similar like this happen at the end of the 1997 season when the coaches poll supposedly leapfrogged nebraska over michigan in order to give tom osborne a "sympathy" national championship in his last year?

i don't mind polls provided there is some transparency & accountability involved.

Has there ever been a time where a team that didn't lose got bumped in the polls two weekends in a row???

Florida fans... you haven't seen anything yet. Georgia and Alabama aren't any better than Wisconsin. And Ole Miss, Kentucky, Miss State, and Vandy aren't any better than half the teams in the Big 10.

If Urban Meyer brings that sad excuse for an offense to Glendale, you're going to get shut out and Laurinaitis is going to make Chris Leak his bitch. If you thought the defensive scores against in the LSU game were bad... just wait.

Just wait until Ted Ginn, Troy Smith, and company wild all over that pathetic secondary.

Talk is cheap Gator Nation. Be careful what you wish for because you just got it!!!

I know. That is one thing that the Gators don’t see. Sure they get to go to the NC Bowl...yay...but wouldn’t you rather WIN a rose bowl or a sugar bowl...than have your coach take you into a game you know you have no chance in hell of winning? Michigan has a chance...OSU won the first half of their game...but u of m handed their asses back to them in the second half...The Gators will get worked from the first second ticking off the clock. I can see a Oklahoma / USC game. Hand it to the undeserving and watch them get hammered by three touchdowns or more.

Do Gator fans THINK in all honesty they have a chance to win? With the closness of the UM/OSU game...I know UM has a 50% chance...i dont see gators having more than a 5% chance.

How the fuck did UF get more coaches' votes than UM, which has 1 vote less than it had last week. Obviously the voters were not thinking about which team is better. We didn't almost lose to a shitty S Carolina team at home or to an even shittier FSU team.

And to Anon 1:54, lobbying in college football is ok in politics, not in college football. It would be fine if Urban Meyer had left it at "My team is a great one that definitely deserves a shot at the national title," but he didn't. He had to go on TV and trash Michigan's team while that weasel of a president at UF cockily said last night that the team should already have its bags packed, and that if UF didn't go, then the system should be overhauled. We at UM don't stoop to that level.

Face it, UM is way above any team in the Shit-Eating Conference. We don't start fights, we don't plant our flag in the opposing team's field, we don't run up scores against shitty opponents (save for last year's game against EMU, but we were pissed after Notre Dame), and we sure as hell do not bitch and moan in public or lobby for support in popularity contests.

Last time I checked coaches are official representatives of their teams and the university. Their public comments about the BCS and football are not just casual personal remarks. Urban Meyer has been out-of-line for weeks.

Fans complaining on the Internet is just that fans complaining on the Internet. My status as a Michigan alum doesn't quite compare with Coach Carr's. He is Michigan football; we're just its supporters (it's a symbiotic relationship but still).

I appreciate your comments however I was responding specifically to Yost. An anon poster said that Michigan fans were whining. Yost retorted that "we" aren't whining, but Urban Meyer sure it. Yost was a representative of Michigan's fans just like Carr is of Michigan's team. As such, Yost and UM fans ARE whining like crazy. Check out STadium and Main or any other UM site.

I give Carr major props for taking the high road (even though several Michigan posters are in effect blaming him for not lobbying).

Uhh..I don't think Michigan would have had any trouble with Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama or Arkansas. Gimme a break, will you? Those hoosiers that make up the SEC should be reminded of one very important fact: You couldn't beat a great northern team from 1861-1865 (still hurts, doesn't it?) and you will get your sorry, toothless asses handed to you in Arizona. Go Bucks!

The Rose Bowl match-up will be great; two programs who really need the win. Michigan needs the win because it has not won a bowl game in four years. USC needs to get off their Pasadena schneid.

The pollsters may be fickle, but that's the system Michigan agreed to. Besides, these teams are so close by any objective metric that it cannot be a tragedy to pick one over the other.

Lloyd Carr handled himself admirably by not campaigning. Urban Meyer sounded like some sleazebag on WWF "Smackdown," saying he would not honor a Michigan title. It is not a 'coach's job' to trash-talk other programs, as one Anon suggested. It's just plain trashy.

The silver lining is that this could be the death knell for the BCS. I think the voting in the AP and Coaches' poll was reactive to the concern for preserving a flawed system more than anything else (i.e., there would be more fall-out if Michigan, who did not win its conference, went to the title game).

Anon 2:50 P.M.: outcome of the BCS title game notwithstanding, it is funny now to laugh at the ramblings of a mind apparently unspoiled by formal education ("Meyers," "whinning," "he was able to sell the benefits of his team than Carr was able to"). Are you really unaware of the Florida coach's last name, or are you just being sloppy? Assuming you are a Florida fan, you are not exactly dispelling any stereotypes about people from the South.

"Also, as much as I hate the BCS system, it would be another fumble if a team that didn't even win it's own conference was able to play in the Championship game."

Not if that squad is legitimately the second-best college football team in the NCAA at the time of the voting. But apparently you favor a system where only conference champions play for the NCAA title.

"apparently you favor a system where only conference champions play for the NCAA title."

Why should a team that couldn't even win it's own conference get a shot at a national title? If they aren't good enough to win their own conference, they don't deserve a shot. As for Michigan, they had their shot on November 17th and didn't execute. They had opportunity and there are NO SECOND CHANCES IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL

With that kind of logic, one could argue that Florida had their chance to go undefeated and be the undisputed #2 team... but they lost to an average Auburn team... and would have had absolutely NO chance of making it to the NC game except that they happen to be fortunate enough to play an EXTRA game at the end of the season and were able to beat an overrated Arkansas to bump up their rating... so much for NO SECOND CHANCES...

I agree with you. Florida didn't deserve it in '96 nor did OK deserve it in '03. So we should repeat past mistakes?

Anon 4:03:

Florida still won their conference. That was the whole point of what I was saying, you lutz. If Michigan would've won on the 17th, it wouldn't have made any difference what Florida did. Michigan had their shot, quit whining for a 2nd chance at what they couldn't do the 1st time.

For the record, I am not a fan of Florida, Michigan, or OSU; in fact, I've never actually cared for any of their programs.

Anon 2:38 said "Uhh..I don't think Michigan would have had any trouble with Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama or Arkansas." Yeah uhh... 2 words for you Ball State.

The system sucks get over it, someone gets screwed almost every year.

Now if UF does get to the title game don't count them out. I would take OSU every single time, but I would've also taken Miami every time in 2001 so it's not a 100% certainty that OSU will win.

Also I wish that somehow someway that LSU could face Michigan instead of the Irish's overrated ass. Top 4 Big 10 vs. top 4 SEC would settle a lot of arguements. Tenn. will beat PSU, Arkansas/Wisconsin should be a good one, the title game will be good, and I'd wish I could see that Michigan/LSU game.

"Also Auburn beat Florida by 3, for those who watched that game knows that Auburn scored on the last play of the game when Florida was trying a "Music City Miricale" "Cal vs. Stanford" type play and fumbled it and Auburn ran it back."

Hey dickneck, those points counted as much as your points off that jackoff dropping a punt on the one yard line and you jumping on it in the endzone, we won by 10. F yourself.

Man I'm not even sure I want to tread in these waters...the passions are running high. And I can understand it. We have a very, very flawed system and I hope the powers-that-be can find some sensible and feasible improvements.

But I did want to add one thought: little is written or said on what is "fair" to Ohio State, the bona-fide and clear #1.

The BCS Championship is supposed to be played between the #1 and #2 BCS teams--no one argues that point--but its primary purpose remains choosing a legitimate college football national champion without undermining the tradition and purpose of the regular season (i.e., a championship WITHOUT a playoff).

Is that primary purpose best served by an Ohio State v Michigan rematch that excludes the champion of the nation’s toughest football conference, the SEC?

What does Ohio State get to prove if it beats Michigan again: nothing. On the other hand, Florida may throttle ND in the Sugar Bowl, and for years and years put an asterisk on the Buckeyes’ title in their mind.

And what if Michigan beats Ohio State? You get a national champion that did not win its conference championship, and one that is 1-1 against Ohio State in back to back games. Big surprise. A rivalry game is always a coin flip--you could play this game 100 times and it might be 50-50.

No, another OSU v Michigan game for the title diminishes this season’s championship ; it diminishes football by ignoring what the regular season already proved: OSU was better than Michigan when it counted. The Buckeyes are Big Ten Champions. Michigan is not #1, we know that because they are #2 in their conference. But Florida? Well, they could be #1. We don't know just yet, we haven't seen them play the Buckeyes.

Yes, we get this type of thing all the time in NCAA Basketball, but keep in mind that 64 teams get a shot in that tourney. That is a hard-earned title. Here, the system hand picks just two.

Shouldn’t it be the two teams left that best settle the argument for #1?

Look, I know some are going to vehemently disagree with me on the above, especially on this board. I respect that. I just want to offer another angle on thinking about the quagmire of the BCS this season.

We all deserve better; and Michigan fans deserve to throttle USC. If OSU slips against the Gators, my bet is you will get a share on the title through the AP...

One final thought. I personally am taking this disappointment like I would want Florida's program and fans to take it had it gone Michigan's way: accept it and move on because both teams have had pretty good years. GO BLUE! BEAT USC!!

Which reminds me, has anyone noticed that John David Booty kind of looks like a Baldwin Brother?

first, "FLA- Michigan- who's better?" is a tired, answerless debate w/ out a playoff. i don't fault FLA fans or Meyers for pushing (though even most FLA fans i know were a bit put off by his hard sell) for wanting a shot.

second, what i consider, and a fair number of fellow fans and posters, is NOT us getting passed over, per se. it's the pernicious motivation behind it.

20 some coaches didn't wake up today and think "oh, i think FLA is a better team". they didn't think that two weeks ago. they didn't think that last week. FLA has been a solid "4" all along.

if USC had won yesterday, FLA would STILL be a "4". all of the debate by media is so much rationalization.

starting around 8:00 p.m. yesterday, everyone outside the big ten, who had been counting on USC solving this, went to plan B. they didn't want a rematch, but more importantly, they didn't want the big ten locking up the mnc w/ out them.

good luck to FLA. i don't think they have a chance, but they didn't screw michigan- the system did.

next to last thought- what would have happened if Wisco had won in A2? we'd be 10-2 playing in Orlando. they'd be 12-0 and ranked #2? conference co-champions? makes me wonder what the BCS powers would have done w/that?

final thought- big ten now has legitimate shot to finish 1-2-3. if michigan & Wisco hold up their end, we could all end up having the last laugh.

Your point is well taken, but it also shows the flaws in the BCS system where a team that didn't win its own conference can be a national champion.

nathanp2112

Oh the irony when the guy who heads the damn thing is from the SEC. Perhaps the reason why it has never been mandatory to win the conference is because of how highly the SEC thinks of itself...

Isn’t it a rule that no more than 2 teams can crash the BCS party??? But if they had that amount of foresight you cannot tell me nobody who makes the BCS rules never thought of a conference champion requirement.

Dudes, I know you hate us ND fans and all, but I have to put in my two cents and say you got screwed royally. Put it this way-- a ND-UF sugar bowl was literally the only matchup that didn't leave me weeping with terror at the impending 4 TD blowout loss. Now we're gonna get raped by LSU.

It will be fun though to see that whiny turtle's face when OSU drops 28 on them by halftime.

mattathias - despite my efforts never to make a personal attack on here and call anyone but myself a wank, I'd love to make the exception to your 2:19 post. A shitty S Carolina team - hmm let's see, SoCar's only loss where the game was never in doubt was against UGA (keep in mind your game with tOSU was also never in doubt for tOSU after about the mid-way mark in the 2nd quarter). The other losses were SoCar coming up short in their final drives - Tenn, Arky, Auburn and UofF for the wins. I'd kill for the Cocks to have had UofM's schedule this year, perhaps we'd be in the hunt with 1 loss as well.

Urban didn't trash your team, relax. He only said if there is a rematch, he would really want a lobby to get a playoff system. He said less rude remarks than nearly every UofM poster on here. Not that anyone cares, except to point out the emotional hypocrisy (which certainly is understandable). I feel your pain, damn right you guys think you deserve a shot (and I agree), but so does UofF (which I also agree with). But damn right Urban should lobby for his team instead of sit on his hands. He's the coach and doing his damndest to make a mark for himself outside a big shadow.

Also, no one on here has played the whatif about whether Michigan played WI at Camp Randall, but many are wondering what if UofF played Arky at Fayetville instead of a neutral field.

And the planting flags comment - are you sure you didn't accidentally put that in there? To the best of my recollection - that is some of your Big Ten & Midwest bretheren's style this year. I don't remember any other team planting flags this year, esp. from the SEC, but I could be wrong. Apparently from your post, you're the only one that isn't.

So should Lloyd Carr have lobbied harder for Michigan? I say yes. He seemed apathetic and defeated in his interviews. (I know his personality, but this is a special case). I think that he should have voiced the same things as Herbie did on Gameday.

As I am currently living in Georgia, I have had the chance to see the SEC up close and personal. The SEC has some terrific teams, and some great fans. The passion for college football runs very deep here. (I have never seen anything so bitter as Auburn/Alabama, that is hatred beyond anything Michgan/OSU has going), and as a fan of college football myself, it is a great enviroment to knock back a few adult beverages and get into a debate at the local pub.

Do I want to see Michigan play OSU in the Championship game, of course, as a Michigan Alum, I live for that game every year, and a national title hanging in the balance would be beyond my wildest dreams. But, we had a chance and did not win, I can't begrudge not having a rematch.

What I am having problems with is Florida getting it, while Michigan was impotent to really do anything about it. I just don't understand how USC losing a rivalry game makes Florida all of a sudden better then Michigan, which is what happened with the polls today. I suspect some of this is payback for Auburn a few years ago, and part of it is not wanting to see a rematch (ironic though that it is Florida who benefits from that) unfortunately Michigan is the one who has to get punished in this.

The system sucks, but it is what it is until we have a playoff in place. Since the national title is not going to happen, I just want to see the Big 10 kick ass, so next year, I can point out to my SEC friends that their conference is not quite as Lundquistian as they think, and that we do play real football up where it snows.

Go Wisco, Go Blue, and though it kills me to say it...

Go Notre Dame and Go Buckeyes.

Pleease don't leave me down here listening to yet another year of how the SEC has have a monopoly on good football.

As an OSU fan, I think UM did get the shaft by the BCS this year. Carr handled the situation with utter class and Urban Cryer is still a prick.

Apparently, Cryer did not look into his new teams history before he opened his lying mouth. Did UF win their only national title in a rematch of FSU? Or did I dream that? That prick has lied through his whole career to make himself look good.

Kudos to Carr, taking the high road and not whining about why UM should be there. They have proven themselves on the field. I, for one, would LOVE a rematch with UM in AZ, but the almighty BCS has screwed the pooch again.

All I have to say to this is that I hope UM kicks USC's uppity ass in the Rose Bowl to prove the system SUCKS!!!

GO Blue in Pasadena!!

Go Bucks in Glendale!!

Let's show these assholes that the Big Ten is the best conference in the country!!!

the problem for fla is: ginn, gonzales, pitcock, pittman, wells, smith, paterson, laurenites, smith, and other players who are just as good--robiske, wells, white, it just goes on and on. The SEC self perceived aura will fade in about two minutes of the first quarter, then its going to be as predictable as gravity.

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