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re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

Originally Posted by poweRob

My contention is we need more cops on their feet and less in the vehicles just driving by. Be prepared for sure, but until then, be approachable... then the folks will voluntarily tell you where the problems are.

These would be the folks whose culture celebrates your murderer?

Color me skeptical.

Arpiao is such a dumbass showman/politician. He keeps getting elected by scaring all the old people down there. I lived there for 12 years and I had to move because the street behind my house was EXTREMELY 3rd world. Automatic gunfire every night. Ghetto Buzzards (police helicoptors) flying overhead every night. Finally had to move when a guy was murdered about 50 yards from my front door. He plays like he's tough on illegals. That's his schtick. He orchestrates all these raids on this and that area and arrests in giant groups. Makes him look good. Meanwhile, legal citizens are rounded up because of the way they look and they lose that whole day of work and have to explain to their bosses what happened and pray they don't get fired.

Then the illegals there were so terrified of being caught and deported that they created a sub-society and would absolutely NEVER cooperate with cops. Crime exploded... because the criminals know these folks won't work with the cops. You can say "so what? they are illegals so let crime happen to them" but that crime spills over big time.

You are absolutely right that crime spills over - because that is what happens when you allow the soft crime of illegal immigration in. Worse crime slinks in with it.

Don't complain out of one side that cops aren't pariticipating with their populace enough and then out of the other that cops are participating too much.

re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

Originally Posted by poweRob

Not just all of a sudden. It has to be worked in. You don't just start walking in hot zones. Work the edges. Talk to the folks. Hell knock on doors and introduce yourself. Make the hot zone implode on itself.

I would like to say that, since what you are decrying is the militarization of police, but what you are describing is COIN, that I find this conversation fairly entertaining

You are absolutely right that crime spills over - because that is what happens when you allow the soft crime of illegal immigration in. Worse crime slinks in with it.

Don't complain out of one side that cops aren't pariticipating with their populace enough and then out of the other that cops are participating too much.

Wouldn't be an issue if you could talk to these people. They'd turn over the criminals in their neighborhoods too. But if you can't talk to them because you call them criminals and therefore you don't want to talk to them so... no deal. Cops do this all the time. They find a pot smoker and don't arrest them and work with them to roll on their dealer. But all you tough on illegals guys can't wrap your brains around how crossing a border is not as bad as killing someone so have the mentality of "screw all of them" equally.

Originally Posted by Moderate Right

The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office.

re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

Originally Posted by poweRob

The Missouri attorney general's office issues annual reports that show the Ferguson police force is almost twice as likely to conduct searches of African Americans during traffic stops. But searches of whites are more likely to result in the discovery of drugs and other contraband.

There is perhaps validity to that statistic. however, one cant pick and choose if you are truly seeking validity. So...historically, in addition to the "twice as likely" statistic on searches, what are the statistics on how much more likely blacks are in that county to commit violent crimes? Be involved with drug possession, distribution, or use? Commit criminal vice acts? What are the employment rates? Graduation rates? Literacy rates?

re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

Originally Posted by VanceMack

There is perhaps validity to that statistic. however, one cant pick and choose if you are truly seeking validity. So...historically, in addition to the "twice as likely" statistic on searches, what are the statistics on how much more likely blacks are in that county to commit violent crimes? Be involved with drug possession, distribution, or use? Commit criminal vice acts? What are the employment rates? Graduation rates? Literacy rates?

Well the quote you that you cited showed who was more likely to be in possession. As far as other crimes or crimes in general, as I stated earlier in this thread, jobs tend to kill crime more than anything so if you want to know where the crime is anywhere, look for the poverty and jobless rates. Seem to go hand in hand no matter the race.

Originally Posted by Moderate Right

The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office.

re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

Originally Posted by poweRob

Well the quote you that you cited showed who was more likely to be in possession. As far as other crimes or crimes in general, as I stated earlier in this thread, jobs tend to kill crime more than anything so if you want to know where the crime is anywhere, look for the poverty and jobless rates. Seem to go hand in hand no matter the race.

Thats all well and good but it doesnt really answer the question. If you are citing a statistic the number of stops and searches, then you have to identify WHY the searches are being conducted and you have to look at ALL of the statistics. Unless you are just trying to score a cheap and insignificant point. Jobs may be a great answer to solving the problems of poverty, but thats not really the purview of law enforcement. Their job is designed more to serve and protect against violent crimes. So...who is more likely to commit violent crimes in Fergusen? It 'matters'. If your point is that blacks are searched in vehicle stops at a 2-1 rate, then you also have to ask at what percentage are blacks more likely to commit crimes and why are they being stopped and searched.

It MAY very well be just because the cops are all racist. Or, there MAY be a reason.

re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

Riot police wear gas masks for that very reason. Tear gas grenades to not distinguish between cop's eyes and rioter's eyes.

Riot police only wear masks when they are using it. You have no clue when a crowd will use tear gas and that's my point. Nor do you know if some idiot might walk into an office building and pop off tear gas and cause a mass "casualty" situation and commit a much more sinister crime elsewhere.

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re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

There is no need to be interested in why looting is their preferred method of protesting, there is only the need to put these people back in their places for being criminals.

If you try to lock these guys up, and one resists and another shooting happens.. We will hear all about how it was the officers fault again.. And this will be a never ending issue. I say we should gate off crime ridden communities like this, post the army around them and let them all shoot each other until all of them are dead.

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