Fedor didn't want to risk any ground game, but he gave Monson a real beating. I hope he comes to the UFC because I still think he could test Do Santos or anyone else.

Marchegiano

11-23-2011, 08:04 AM

Nah, he's lost it boys. He looked silly. I laughed at that fight like it was a Butterbean, or Valuev fight. Just novelty. Fedor's gapping was horrid. Half the fight I wanted so bad just to stop them and up him in the right position. Second his reaction time has dropped. His ****ty guard doesn't work if his feet aren't there, and boys he ain't even close. Fedor's always had this ridiculous sloppy form. swings as oppose to hooks etc. Now that he's slowed down he really telegraphs. All these flaws revealed by a dec fight against an old fighter who didn't make much of himself at prime. I love Fedor and don't mean to just attack him, but yeah. Retire.

Monson used the Maia/Werdum/WhoreWithOpenLegsInvitation strategy. Everytime he got touched, he just lay on his back inviting Fedor to come into his guard. Hard to finish a fighter that refuses to fight.

Marchegiano

11-25-2011, 10:11 AM

Since when does Fedor not go to the ground? This fad excuse is really ridiculous. Overeem's not done much on the ground since LHW, you can call him a striker. JDS never goes to the ground...striker. Liddel never grappled, striker. Fedor's got more subs then dec or ko's. Fedor loves the ground, hell we've seen him invite a ground battle many times. You mean to tell me Fedor is not shot, but respects Monson ground game? Since the **** when? Why didn't he respect Randlemans?

Josh Curran also beat Big Country, watch out for the amazing Curran. Sergei? Not including K-1 He lost to Fedor's ****ty brother. Best watch out for Alex he isn't getting KO'd in the first by cans. I love me some Cormier, but upon his decision wins you've got Devin Cole...**** offer him a SF title shot *****, and JDS got beaten Joaquim on a rematch. Even though he's got nine losses hell. He should be number one contender. eh? There's some stupid ass nonsense mma math that dont prove nothing for ya.

I have to admit, that was very nice fluid move, a thing of beauty for sure.

Nah, he's lost it boys. He looked silly. I laughed at that fight like it was a Butterbean, or Valuev fight. Just novelty. Fedor's gapping was horrid. Half the fight I wanted so bad just to stop them and up him in the right position. Second his reaction time has dropped. His ****ty guard doesn't work if his feet aren't there, and boys he ain't even close. Fedor's always had this ridiculous sloppy form. swings as oppose to hooks etc. Now that he's slowed down he really telegraphs. All these flaws revealed by a dec fight against an old fighter who didn't make much of himself at prime. I love Fedor and don't mean to just attack him, but yeah. Retire.

Stop talking noob.

Coming into the Fedor fight Monson was 9-1 in his last 10 fights. His only loss in that last ten was against Daniel Cormier.

Fedor's reaction time has slowed down but even so he is still faster than Cain. Fedor's reaction time and striking was good enough to cripple Monson while avoiding being hit. Cain on the other hand just got KOed on his feet.

Fedor didn't want to risk any ground game, but he gave Monson a real beating. I hope he comes to the UFC because I still think he could test Do Santos or anyone else.

Fedor used to fight his opponents even in their strong points. He would grapple with ADCC champs and strike with K1 fighters. No other fighter does this. I dont blame him for doing a 180, why fight on the ground with an ADCC champ when youve got an obvious upper hand striking.

Virgil Caine

11-26-2011, 12:32 AM

Since when does Fedor not go to the ground? This fad excuse is really ridiculous. Overeem's not done much on the ground since LHW, you can call him a striker. JDS never goes to the ground...striker. Liddel never grappled, striker. Fedor's got more subs then dec or ko's. Fedor loves the ground, hell we've seen him invite a ground battle many times. You mean to tell me Fedor is not shot, but respects Monson ground game? Since the **** when? Why didn't he respect Randlemans?

Josh Curran also beat Big Country, watch out for the amazing Curran. Sergei? Not including K-1 He lost to Fedor's ****ty brother. Best watch out for Alex he isn't getting KO'd in the first by cans. I love me some Cormier, but upon his decision wins you've got Devin Cole...**** offer him a SF title shot *****, and JDS got beaten Joaquim on a rematch. Even though he's got nine losses hell. He should be number one contender. eh? There's some stupid ass nonsense mma math that dont prove nothing for ya.
It's called strategy. Fedor had a huge advantage over Monson on the feet. Fedor, though very proficient on the ground (his foundation being sambo and judo), did not go to the ground against Monson, the ground being Monson's strongest area, because he was so superior on the feet.

-Swizzy-

11-26-2011, 02:41 AM

Fedor used to fight his opponents even in their strong points. He would grapple with ADCC champs and strike with K1 fighters.
this pretty much sums it up. Explains what makes him so great amongst other things.

Marchegiano

11-26-2011, 07:46 AM

Yeah I get that. But why? Fedor's went to the ground so many times with dudes better. Why is he changing his fighting style to suit cans? Why is he in the least bit respectful of Jeff ****ing Monson's skills any where? Prime Fedor didn't give a **** boys, and this ain't prime Fedor. It's ****ing old bull**** Fedor.

Again, Fedor isn't a just a striker. Fedor's always been well rounded, and never shied from a ground game. He fights different because he is different. This strategy nonsense is nonsense. If Overeem had pulled that **** against ****ing Monson I'd say he's useless too. WTF next? JDS gonna take ****ing Tommy Trauma to dec and no one calls him over?

#1Assassin

11-26-2011, 08:56 AM

Since when does Fedor not go to the ground? This fad excuse is really ridiculous. Overeem's not done much on the ground since LHW, you can call him a striker. JDS never goes to the ground...striker. Liddel never grappled, striker. Fedor's got more subs then dec or ko's. Fedor loves the ground, hell we've seen him invite a ground battle many times. You mean to tell me Fedor is not shot, but respects Monson ground game? Since the **** when? Why didn't he respect Randlemans?

Josh Curran also beat Big Country, watch out for the amazing Curran. Sergei? Not including K-1 He lost to Fedor's ****ty brother. Best watch out for Alex he isn't getting KO'd in the first by cans. I love me some Cormier, but upon his decision wins you've got Devin Cole...**** offer him a SF title shot *****, and JDS got beaten Joaquim on a rematch. Even though he's got nine losses hell. He should be number one contender. eh? There's some stupid ass nonsense mma math that dont prove nothing for ya.

liddel is a grappler who has power and slightly better striking skills than the average grappler. he used his wrestling background to stand up with other grapplers who cant fight for **** on their feet and knock em out. anytime he stood up with someone who could strike he got knocked clean out, except overeem. and overeem was beating him until liddell caught him with one big punch.

Virgil Caine

11-27-2011, 12:45 AM

Yeah I get that. But why? Fedor's went to the ground so many times with dudes better. Why is he changing his fighting style to suit cans? Why is he in the least bit respectful of Jeff ****ing Monson's skills any where? Prime Fedor didn't give a **** boys, and this ain't prime Fedor. It's ****ing old bull**** Fedor.

Again, Fedor isn't a just a striker. Fedor's always been well rounded, and never shied from a ground game. He fights different because he is different. This strategy nonsense is nonsense. If Overeem had pulled that **** against ****ing Monson I'd say he's useless too. WTF next? JDS gonna take ****ing Tommy Trauma to dec and no one calls him over?
Fedor needed a win. He fought cautiously, which is a good change following his recent slip ups. No need to take chances, just get the win, and he beet the hell out of Monson.

Marchegiano

11-27-2011, 08:25 AM

Well, **** me. Word Nodogoshi. Dude really did need that W bad, but it also seemed to me he needed more then a Dec over a Big Tim era contender. To be honest I hope I'm way off, but what I saw just made me sad, then chuckle. Maybe i'm stuck on old Fedor. I'll be happy when he's back to smacking around the strikers and choking the grapplers. I don't understand not accepting your not top comp anymore and just stepping down a bit. I've really enjoyed ProElite's AA fights.

Assassin. dude Vitor sprang to mind very quickly, and plus. He got knocked out by everyone once he got old. Before that he'd been KO'd by randy and rampage. 1-1 I get what they're saying, but I disagree with the notion that Chuck started getting KO'd because he started fighting strikers.

monaroCountry

11-27-2011, 05:56 PM

Yeah I get that. But why? Fedor's went to the ground so many times with dudes better. Why is he changing his fighting style to suit cans? Why is he in the least bit respectful of Jeff ****ing Monson's skills any where? Prime Fedor didn't give a **** boys, and this ain't prime Fedor. It's ****ing old bull**** Fedor.

Again, Fedor isn't a just a striker. Fedor's always been well rounded, and never shied from a ground game. He fights different because he is different. This strategy nonsense is nonsense. If Overeem had pulled that **** against ****ing Monson I'd say he's useless too. WTF next? JDS gonna take ****ing Tommy Trauma to dec and no one calls him over?

Put the same expectations on the other fighters
* why didnt Overeem go to ground with Werdum?
* why didnt Cain go to ground with Brock?
* why didnt JDS go to ground with Zombie Nog?

Im glad that Fedor is no longer going where his enemies are at their strongest, afterall he is no longer the young crazy invincible buy he was. In saying that he would still beat most if not all of todays HW's (so long as hes cautious and follows a game plan). It just goes to show how ahead of his times Fedor was, when even now, no one has really showed as well rounded as him.

Monson is a two time ADCC grappling champion, the last time JDS went up against a semi decent grappler on the ground, he got submitted.

Marchegiano

11-28-2011, 08:08 AM

Your point is sound, but your examples do hang me up. Like I said before. To me Fedor was better at both stand up and ground games then anyone else around. We both agree old Fedor don't give a **** what your good at. He's 100% confident he can beat you. That was probably my biggest attraction to him. I guess what I'm saying is what y'all see as improvement I'm seeing negative. There's just no way my psyche can logically rationalize Fedor giving Monson respect is any field. I get that that's his strength. I get that. But Monson on his best day in his best way should be a walk in the park for Fedor. Monson was a Tim Sylvia title contender. Fedor beat Tim by way of KO. The next champ of that era AA by way of KO, but the loser of the era. Thats who he's got to worry about. Fedor was cautious against a fella I'm not impressed with. He respected skills I've no respect for. You don't gotta keep posting his AC wins I read them. I just don't care. Fedor used to be the destroyer of champions and now he's out pointer of bums. I just upsets me.

On a different note. I really hope the best for him. Not a lot of times you hope to be wrong, but really I'd love to see him back in the big time.

monaroCountry

11-28-2011, 08:58 AM

theres not many ADCC champs around, Monson is actually one of them. People talk about NCAA wrestlers as having good ground game, yet Monson won a world grappling tournament twice. I rate Monson's ground game as more dangerous than your walk in the park college level wrestler.

Virgil Caine

11-28-2011, 10:06 AM

Your point is sound, but your examples do hang me up. Like I said before. To me Fedor was better at both stand up and ground games then anyone else around. We both agree old Fedor don't give a **** what your good at. He's 100% confident he can beat you. That was probably my biggest attraction to him. I guess what I'm saying is what y'all see as improvement I'm seeing negative. There's just no way my psyche can logically rationalize Fedor giving Monson respect is any field. I get that that's his strength. I get that. But Monson on his best day in his best way should be a walk in the park for Fedor. Monson was a Tim Sylvia title contender. Fedor beat Tim by way of KO. The next champ of that era AA by way of KO, but the loser of the era. Thats who he's got to worry about. Fedor was cautious against a fella I'm not impressed with. He respected skills I've no respect for. You don't gotta keep posting his AC wins I read them. I just don't care. Fedor used to be the destroyer of champions and now he's out pointer of bums. I just upsets me.

On a different note. I really hope the best for him. Not a lot of times you hope to be wrong, but really I'd love to see him back in the big time.

Fedor is possibly not the fighter he once was anymore. At 35, he is still an extremely capable fighter. But it is part of the human condition that you can't always do at 35 what you could do at 26.

It is generally believed that Fedor could have won any of those 3 fights which he lost. You are right to allude that Fedor use to beat people at their own strengths, and that was as much as anything what made him into a legend. He beat the hell out of Nog in his guard, outstruck Crocop, armbarred a judo gold medalist, attempted to throw a 7-3 Sserium champion, etc. etc.

But, that was then. I do not know whether Fedor is still capable of his former physical feats. It seems likely that he may have already exceeded his physical prime, but that doesn't mean he cannot still perform at a worldclass level. In the interest of career longevity, he probably needs to evolve into a more mature fighter. It is certainly the case that Monson was not an A-class fighter, and Fedor's performance for this reason alone needs to be taken in its proper context, but Fedor fought pretty well in that fight. He looked like a dangerous man, and he looked sharp to me. I think that Fedor could still hang with most, if not all, guys out there.

And I'm not trying to endorse a guy hanging around too long, either. I'd support Fedor if he chose to retire tomorrow. But, I don't think there is necessarily cause for believing that he can't still compete at the top level.