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Deluge of Atlantis

Deluge of Atlantis

Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Carolyn Rose Goyda, a Facebook Friend of Mine, sent me a copy of this yesterday and I posted it to my timeline:

And I added, "And the direct derivation of Easter is from the European Goddess of Spring Oestra, also pronounced about like Ishtar, and from which we get the word Oestrus (Estrus)-when an animal gets into heat. And Oestra is also associated with rabbits and eggs."

But then Kyle Germann added "That might be Lilith" and "She might be the First Vampire"

So I elaborated, "Actually the picture is regularly called that. BUT Lilith might only be a form of Ishtar. Ishtar was also sacrificed by her sister Ereshkigal AND this could be Ereshkigal AND Ereshkigal could ALSO be the same as Ishtar. Its complicated. But the fact that she died-and-came-back is part of the same Goddess of Spring story, which is the same story as Snow White (who sleeps over the Winter) and Sleeping Beauty (Everything blossoms back into life when she wakes up again) http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/ereshkigalAnd the Classical Goddess of Spring story is another resurrection story, the one attached to Persephone, who is taken down to Hades but returns each springhttp://www.greekmyths-greekmythology.com/myth-of-hades-and-persephone/

The western part of the AH 919 (AD 1513) map is considered by most authors to depict the region of the Caribbean. However, Columbus believed he had been to Asia and Piri Reis wrote that the names in the western area of his AH 919 (AD 1513) map were obtained from Columbus. We considered it was necessary to re-investigate the shorelines depicted in this part of the map. We have used computer superposition to re-investigate the shorelines depicted in the western area of the map. The results suggest that the map depicts shorelines of East and Southeast Asia from the east side of the Kamchatka Peninsula in the north, to northwest Borneo in the south. Interesting results include that the Territory of Antilia is eastern China opposite Taiwan, and Island Antilia is Taiwan but showing bays of Puerto Rico; the authors suggest that the large western island is an erroneous depiction of southern Japan. Based on the superpositions and other supporting geological information, the authors suggest that the western source map used by Piri Reis (whether of Turkish origin or from Columbus) depicted shorelines which were charted prior to the Islamic and Christian eras.

INTRODUCTION

The Piri Reis AH 919 (AD 1513) map fragment (41, 51) was found during renovations of the Topkapi Palace Museum in 1929 (16, 20, 21, 28, 35, 44). The western region is thought to represent the Caribbean (16, 21, 28, 44). Hapgood (16) using a separate Grid "B" for this area identified the western continent as Central America in the vicinity of the Yucatan Peninsula and the coasts further south were suggested to be those of both Central and South America even though some locations were identified twice. The large western island he identified as Cuba.

The identifications made by others (21, 28, 44) are usually based upon inscriptions written by Piri Reis and attributed by him to Qulumbu(Columbus). These suggest that the northwestern coasts are the shorelines of Cuba (in continuity with the coasts of Panama further south) and the large western island is Hispaniola (20, 21, 28, 35, 44, 45). Columbus however believed he had been to Asia (21, 28, 37). In this paper we investigate Asia as a possible origin for the mainland depicted in the western area of the map. The results presented in this paper are essentially similar to those we have reported elsewhere (5).

The map at the top is my own interpretation. I think it is highly important that we have a detailed map of Sundaland and East Asia from this period, and the book Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings already supposes some of the other maps are indicating a Pleistocene Sundaland above water (Other maps show a postPleisocene Indonesia) The original would have been a Portolan or "Ports of Call" map and the area from Borneo to Japan heavily travelled by merchant ships. We know that something similar was going on in South India at the same time from other sources. At the same time, I would not doubt that the Admiral had access to older maps of the Caribbean and South America which he also compiled with the East Asian maps, following on Columbus' maps and observations. And the three marks near "Antilla" I take to be a reference to maps of three original islands which were combined to make the map on the chart: It is already known that there is a confusion between Atlantis and Antillia, and Cipangu (Japan) on different charts. Here I suggest that part of the problem is a mistaken combination of Antillia and Antipodes. It is also noteworthy that while Atlantis was a free island surrounded by the sea, the reconstruction used by Lacroix and Bywater calls both Taiwan and Japan peninsulas still attached to the mainland. Certainly there is a general confusion and an oversimplification going on at the time Piri Reis was compiling the old maps. He did do a quite remarkable job of preserving irreplaceable documents. And the missing sections of he map were very likely the same as the Old World mapof Ptolemy, because Pri Re'is mentioned him as a source also.

Friday, March 22, 2013

Out of Africa date brought forward

Ötzi the Iceman, a well-preserved natural mummy of a Chalcolithic (Copper Age), who was found in 1991 in the Schnalstal glacier in the Ötztal Alps. Credit: South Tyrol Museum of Archaeology (Phys.org)

—A study on human mitochondrial DNA has led to a new estimate of the time at which humans first began to migrate out of Africa, which was much later than previously thought.
The new study by an International group of evolutionary geneticists used mitochondrial DNA from the remains of ancient modern humans to estimate the rate of genetic mutations. Three of the skeletons were from the Czech Republic and dated at 31,000 years old, two were 14,000 years old, from Oberkassel, Germany. Another sample used was the natural mummy Ötzi the Iceman, who lived some time between 3350 and 3100 BC. The most recent skeleton was that of a man who lived in medieval France 700 years ago, while the oldest was dated at 40,000 years ago, and came from Tianyuan in China. The results suggest that the genetic divergence between African and non-African humans began between 62 and 95 thousand years ago, which tallies with other studies estimating the time through dating of stone tools and fossils, but they disagree with the results of recent genetic studies that estimated the migration began much earlier, up to 130 thousand years ago or even before. The previous studies sequenced the entire genome of living humans to count the number of genetic mutations (around 50) in newborn babies compared to the parents to determine the generational mutation rate. This then provided the a molecular "clock," which could be extrapolated backwards to date important events in human evolution.

The new study sequenced mitochondrial DNA from fossils of ancient modern humans rather than living humans. The fossils were dated using radiocarbon dating methods. Since the samples were from humans who lived up to 40,000 years ago, mutations that have occurred in the genome since they died would be missing, and the samples provided a range of calibration points for their estimation of the start of the migration.

[We are not talking the same migration Out Of Africa bacause we are not talking the same populations. The older divergence accounts for an older stratum of humanity that wound up in parts of Australia and the orient: this is the older migration and this genetic series has nothing to do wityh that. This measures a SECOND Out of Africa migration which led to the peopling of most of the rety of the world and which swallowed upany remants of the older migration. The two migrations can be defined by physical types (skulls) and archaeology (stone tools) and they are separated by the major eruption of the Toba volcano in Sumatra, the greatest known of all volcanic eruptions.--DD]

Lao skull earliest example of modern human fossil in Southeast Asia

August 20, 2012

The researchers found skull fragments that date to 63,000 years ago. Credit: Laura Shackelford An ancient skull recovered from a cave in the Annamite Mountains in northern Laos is the oldest modern human fossil found in Southeast Asia, researchers report. The discovery pushes back the clock on modern human migration through the region by as much as 20,000 years and indicates that ancient wanderers out of Africa left the coast and inhabited diverse habitats much earlier than previously appreciated.The team described its finding in a paper in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. The scientists, who found the skull in 2009, were likely the first to dig for ancient bones in Laos since the early 1900s, when a team found skulls and skeletons of several modern humans in another cave in the Annamite Mountains. Those fossils were about 16,000 years old, much younger than the newly found skull, which dates to between 46,000 and 63,000 years old. "It's a particularly old modern human fossil and it's also a particularly old modern human for that region," said University of Illinois anthropologist Laura Shackelford, who led the study with anthropologist Fabrice Demeter, of the National Museum of Natural History in Paris. "There are other modern human fossils in China or in Island Southeast Asia that may be around the same age but they either are not well dated or they do not show definitively modern human features. This skull is very well dated and shows very conclusive modern human features," she said. No other artifacts have yet been found with the skull, suggesting that the cave was not a dwelling or burial site, Shackelford said. It is more likely that the person died outside and the body washed into the cave sometime later, she said. The find reveals that early modern human migrants did not simply follow the coast and go south to the islands of Southeast Asia and Australia, as some researchers have suggested, but that they also traveled north into very different types of terrain, Shackelford said. "This find supports an 'Out-of-Africa' theory of modern human origins rather than a multi-regionalism model," she said. "Given its age, fossils in this vicinity could be direct ancestors of the first migrants to Australia. But it is also likely that mainland Southeast Asia was a crossroads leading to multiple migratory pathsThe discovery also bolsters genetic studies that indicate that modern humans occupied that part of the world at least 60,000 years ago, she said. "This is the first fossil evidence that supports the genetic data," she said. The researchers used radiocarbon dating and luminescence techniques to determine the age of the soil layers above, below and surrounding the skull, which was found nearly 2 1/2 meters (about 8.2 feet) below the surface of the cave. Researchers at Illinois used uranium/thorium dating to determine the age of the skull, which they determined was about 63,000 years old. Research fellow Kira Westaway, of Macquarie University in Australia (who dated the soils around the famous "hobbit" fossil found on Flores Island in Indonesia in 2003), conducted the luminescence analyses. These techniques measure the energy retained in crystalline particles in the soil to determine how much time has elapsed since the soil was last exposed to heat or solar radiation. She found that the layer of soil surrounding the fossil had washed into the cave between 46,000 and 51,000 years ago. "Those dates are a bit younger than the direct date on the fossil, which we would expect because we don't know how long the body sat outside the cave before it washed in," Shackelford said. "This fossil find indicates that the migration out of Africa and into East and Southeast Asia occurred at a relatively rapid rate, and that, once there, modern humans weren't limited to environments that they had previously experienced," she said. "We now have the fossil evidence to prove that they were there long before we thought they were there." More information: "An Anatomically Modern Human in Southeast Asia (Laos) by 46 ka," PNAS, 2012.Journal reference: Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences Provided by University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

[This skull is hardly "Modern", it is a particularly rugged "Archaic" and could well have been in the earlier Out of Africa migration which was under way by 100,000 (one hundred thousand) BC--Dale D.]

Fig. 1. The human remains from Zhiren Cave. The Zhiren 3 mandible in anterior (A), lateral left (B), and superior (C) views. The midsymphyseal cross-section of the Zhiren 3 mandible (D). The Zhiren 1M3 in buccal and mesial views (E), and the Zhiren 2 M3 in the same views (F). (Scale bar, 5 cm.) (Courtesy of Drs. LIU Wu and JIN Chang-Zhu)

(PhysOrg.com)An international team of researchers based at the Institute of Vertebrate Paleontology and Paleoanthropology in Beijing, including a physical anthropology professor at Washington University in St. Louis, has discovered well-dated human fossils in southern China that markedly change anthropologists perceptions of the emergence of modern humans in the eastern Old World.

The research was published Oct. 25 in the online early edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. The discovery of early modern human fossil remains in the Zhirendong (Zhiren Cave) in south China that are at least 100,000 years old provides the earliest evidence for the emergence of modern humans in eastern Asia, at least 60,000 years older than the previously known modern humans in the region. "These fossils are helping to redefine our perceptions of modern human emergence in eastern Eurasia, and across the Old World more generally," says Eric Trinkaus, PhD, the Mary Tileston Hemenway Professor in Arts & Sciences and professor of physical anthropology. The Zhirendong fossils have a mixture of modern and archaic features that contrasts with earlier modern humans in east Africa and southwest Asia, indicating some degree of human population continuity in Asia with the emergence of modern humans. The Zhirendong humans indicate that the spread of modern human biology long preceded the cultural and technological innovations of the Upper Paleolithic and that early modern humans co-existed for many tens of millennia with late archaic humans further north and west across Eurasia.
Provided by Washington University in St. Louis

[Once again, two migrations Out of Africa, the older one around 100000 years ago and freaturing older, more rugged, more "Archaic" human beings most like some of the Australian Aboriginals, who preserve more of the people descended from these earlier colonists than anybody else-Dale D]

Monday, March 18, 2013

11,000 yr old star chart more accurate than NASA

Published on Dec 25, 2012

The star chart at Nabta Playa is composed of a few stones in the sand and it calculates the position of the star system Orion over the 24,000 year procession and calculates the distance to each star in light years. It is accurate on the stars we know the distances to, but have to assume its correct on the stars that NASA currently does not know the exact distance to. These stones were placed in the desert roughly 7,000 years before the Egyptians built the Pyramids. The purpose of the structure was recently discovered by Thomas G. Brophy.

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Friday, March 15, 2013

I found this while doing a photosearch for something different. This is a transliteration for a place name listed in a first-dynasty (3000 BC) Egyptian hieroglyphic inscription and it seems to correspond to Atlantis. It is not the familiar letter order, it is a little jumbled from what we are used to. Nonetheless this does seem another clear sign that the Atlantis legend is from the beginning of Egyptian history and did not originate in some subsequent event such as the Late Bronze Age eruption of the Thera volcano or the Trojan War.

Atlantis from first dynasty Egypt

[As I understand it, the initial H can be dropped or added by different dialects, as it is in London Cockney. And the Ancient Egyptian did not distinguish between l and r. Best Wishes, Dale D.]

Thursday, March 14, 2013

Word seems to be that the Bosnian pyramids are definitely of Ice Age date and manmade: they are earlier than 10000 BC, as shown by the age of the soil covering them. There are some pyramids of Latin America that are said to be that old, but the dates are hotly disputed. I think these are genuinely the original wave of pyramid builders out of the Atlantis Empire and associated with the oldest mine operations in Europe, the Mid-East, and in Latin America. And they all seem to be teocallis.-DD

It is high time to start taking these structures in Bosnia seriously whatever we may think of the interpretation. Importantly, it is claimed that this is a working pyramid. That is very important.

Even better we have a high quality cement we want to replicate.

As I have been extensively posting, we are steadily unearthing and recovering the shape of the Atlantean world from 3000 BC to 1159 BC and the Bronze ingot currency that drove it. All the core Atlantean centers mustered the man power able to build large pyramids. We are now finding them.

I also see no Atlantean evidence to support earlier chronology. However, this pyramid has been continuously radiating and I do suspect that this will strongly age carbon isotopes and I should mention that the aging limit for carbon is generally 12,000 years and should be labeled alternatively as greater than.

As readers of my blog likely understand, there certainly existed a pre - Pleistocene Nonconformity human world that we can rightly name as Antediluvian. To some degree, it is plausible that a pyramid power source technology existed and was simply abandoned before the crust was shifted. The great pyramid could be part of that while the Atlantean age was correctly one of imitation. [of the previous age]

The high quality concrete is the best argument for an antediluvian chronology and must be taken seriously.

It was in April 2005 that I first traveled to the town of Visoko, 20 miles northwest of Sarajevo, the capital of Bosnia-Herzegovina. Two pyramid shaped hills caught my attention at that time, and I later named them the Bosnian Pyramids of the Sun and Moon. For thousands of years locals had considered those pyramidal shapes just natural hills though they did have the shape of a pyramid because they were covered by soil and vegetation. When I first saw their triangular faces, obvious corners and their orientation toward the cardinal points, I knew that they had to be constructed by a force other than nature. I have investigated pyramids for decades throughout the world including China, Mexico, Guatemala and El Salvador and they had the same type of soil and vegetation coverage, I knew they had to be pyramid structures.

In 2005 work was started unearthing these pyramids and various construction companies and geologists were hired to do core drilling and geo-morphological analysis. Then I announced to the world, in a press conference, that the first pyramids in Europe had been discovered.

Shortly thereafter I established the non-profit, Archaeological Park: Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun Foundation, and the investigations in Bosnia have proven this complex holds the world’s largest inter-disciplinary archaeological project. We spent over 340.000 hours in archaeological excavation, sample testing and radiocarbon dating from 2005 until January of 2011. Discoveries have determined that the Bosnian Pyramid Valley consists five pyramids discovered to date which I have named: The Bosnian Pyramids of the Sun, Moon, Dragon, Mother Earth and Love. The site also includes a tumulus complex and a huge underground labyrinth that stretches for more than 10 miles underneath the pyramidal complex.

This discovery is changing history because of several things:

These are the first pyramids discovered in Europe

The site includes the biggest pyramidal structure in the world—The Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun (over 220 meters high) is 30% larger than the Great Pyramid of Egypt on the Giza Plateau (147 meters)

The Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun has the most precise north-south cosmic orientation of any pyramid on earth so far discovered

The Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun is completely covered by rectangular concrete blocks. Properties of the concrete, such as extreme hardness and low water absorption, are, according to the scientific institutions in Bosnia, Italy and France, far superior to any modern concrete materials

The pyramids are covered by soil (according to the state Institute for Agro-pedology) which is over 12,000 years old. This finding confirms the Bosnian pyramids are the oldest pyramids on the planet

Below the Bosnian Valley of the Pyramids is an extensive underground tunnel and chamber network which runs for more than ten miles

Ceramic sculptures have been discovered in the underground labyrinth with a mass of up to 20.000 pounds which makes them the largest so far found from the ancient world

This list of Bosnian archaeology finds does not end here. In the vicinity, we discovered the tallest tumulus in the World which is 61 meters high. Up until now the highest tumulus known was in Sillbury Hill in England and measure 60 meters high. The Bosnian tumulus consists of two-layers of megalithic terraces, clay layers and artificial concrete layers.

In 2010, a team of physicists who were brought onto the project located detected an energy beam coming through the top of the Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun. The radius of the beam is 4.5 meters with a frequency of 28 kHz. The beam is continuous and its strength grows as it moves up and away from the top of the pyramid. This phenomenon contradicts all known physical laws known to man today. This is the first proof of non-herzian technology on the Planet. It seems the original pyramid-builders in what is now Bosnian created a perpetual “energy machine” that is still working today.

In the underground labyrinth we discovered three chambers in 2010 and a small blue lake. Energy screening shows that the ionization level is 43 times higher than the average concentration outside which makes the underground chambers healing rooms.

Further electromagnetic detection in 2011 confirmed that levels of negative radiation through the Hartman, Curry and Schneider grids are equal to zero in the tunnels. There was no technical radiation (from power lines and/or technology) found in the tunnels and no cosmic radioactivity.

The large ceramic sculptures are positioned over the underground water flows resulting in the negative energy being transformed to into positive energy. All of these experiments point to the underground labyrinth as one of the most secure underground constructions in the world making it ideal for body rejuvenation and regeneration.

Two hundred years of Egyptology has not produced a satisfactory answer to the question of what the real purpose was for building the pyramids. But with only six years of research on the Bosnian pyramids we have applied inter-disciplinary scientific research looking at this complex from not only the physical, but the energetic and spiritual dimensions as well which has produced some astounding information. And, we have pioneered results which affects the science of pyramids which until now has largely been ignored in Egypt. This archaeological project is changing the world as we know it with each new discovery.

Perhaps by exploring new ways of looking at things we can learn from our ancient past by changing our present and make our future better.

[Note: Robert Klein uses "Atlantean" in the sense of "Atlantic Bronze Age" and it is probably true the people themselves called themselves Atlanteans and identified their lineage as coming from the earlier Atlantis. For the most part the term "Atlantean" in this sense applies to the Megalithic culture of Europe - DD]
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Wednesday, March 13, 2013

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This is a belated post on the meteor-hit in Russia, but better late than never.

On 22nd February, 2013, a meteor / asteroid of 17 metres in diameter and weighing 10,000 metric tons entered the atmosphere at a speed of 40,000 mph and broke apart about 12 to 15 miles above the Earth's surface and landed at Chelyabinsk in Russia as a fireball around 9:20 am local time.

This was an unexpected event from space at that time, while the world was actually waiting to watch another asteroid to pass across the earth from the near the sky off Sumatra on the same day 16 hours after this event. Fortunately both of them did not cause any grave havoc. Though the Russian meteor was found to be 30 times more powerful than the Hiroshima bomb, the extent of damage was much less. Compared to this the asteroid-hit that struck Russia at Tunguska in 1908 was more serious as it was supposed to have been 1000 times more powerful than the Hiroshima bomb. Though that event continues to be a matter of scientific investigation, the fact remains that not much damage happened to the people and the world as a whole. In comparison the Fukushima earthquake was supposed to have disturbed the earth's tilt by some micro units.

Usually events like this used to fascinate me and I used to dabble something by picking out something from astrology or mythology. But this time I couldn't catch up anything other than thinking that the world is safe! The first thought was that my daily prayer paid well â€“ "Loka samstha sukhino bhavanthu" (Let the whole world / everyone be happy). I never want to hear any suffering for anyone around me. Particularly if it pertains to Space I can never bear the thought of some bolt from the blue hitting someone on the earth. It is because Space and the objects in Space continue to give me an indescribable sense of calmness, compassion and happiness. Anyone who had gone to Space had experienced it. Michael Collins, the first ever man to have circled the earth all alone had expressed how alone and fragile that the earth is going in Space. Sitting here on earth I have experienced it many times just by looking at the sky and the stars. How alone we are in space, but still going safely with Brahman protecting us (the earth) like a cocoon! The image of the magnetic field around the earth that deflects solar radiation gives me this thought of Brahman and the earth as a cocoon.

As a lover of space and an avid sky-watcher, I cannot bear the thought of some object from space smashing on earth and causing havoc. The first ever such incident in my memory was the fall of the Skylab.

I was a teen then, much engrossed in space entities and didn't wish to hear anything bad to happen to space programmes or a space programme to fail and fall down as hell on someone's head. I was keenly following the broadcasts of how the falling skylab was handled so that it would not cause harm to life. Like how I am doing blogging nowadays, I was habituated to writing poetry in my teens on anything that affected me. The hype created on the fall of the Skylab was such that I was worried that it would fall on someone and wrote an "Anthem for an unknown victim" before the skylab-fall. But nothing untoward happened which made me write a "Realisation" (after the skylab fell on the ocean near Australia) that God is near and He would never allow the rhythm of the world go astray because He is Duty-bound to protect this world.

This love of Space and Space objects was one of the things I transferred to my kids. On hearing about the meteor-fall in Russia, they kept asking me what I think about these events and why I didn't blog on these events. I could not think of any astrological connection but what kept appearing in my mind was TIME! Everything has its root in Time. If something were to happen, Time must be conducive for it. So many meteors have gone past the earth or crashed on the earth, but for them to become menacing, Time must be supportive of such a menace. On that Friday, two asteroids had come closer to earth. One of them fell on earth while the other just whizzed past. But nothing grievous happened because it was not Time for a grievous happening to mankind.

Thinking of it, Mahabharata talks about Time as the cause for events at many places. The very first chapter of Mahabharata narrates the importance of TIME as the causative factor for whatever happened as Mahabharata! When Dhritharashtra was aggrieved at the death of his sons, his charioteer Sanjaya consoled him by pointing out that it is TIME that does everything.

"No one can leave the way marked out for him by Providence. Existence and non-existence, pleasure and pain all have Time for their root. Time createth all things and Time destroyeth all creatures. It is Time that burneth creatures and it is Time that extinguisheth the fire. All states, the good and the evil, in the three worlds, are caused by Time.

Time cutteth short all things and createth them anew. Time alone is awake when all things are asleep: indeed, Time is incapable of being overcome. Time passeth over all things without being retarded. Knowing, as thou dost, that all things past and future and all that exist at the present moment, are the offspring of Time, it behoveth thee not to throw away thy reason."

A similar sentiment was narrated by Ved Vyasa when Arjuna reached him after the exit of Krishna. Exactly a week after Krishna ascended to his Abode, sea water entered Dwaraka. Arjuna was evacuating the remaining population mostly of women and children to safer places. But alas, on the way they were attacked by Mlecchas in the land of five rivers who abducted many women of Vrishni clan. They included married, unmarried and pregnant women. There is every reason to believe that the so-called Aryan presence in Iran or the claim of Darius, as the Aryan of the Aryans originated from these women of Royal and excellent calibre of Dwaraka of Krishna. It is Time that had pushed them into the hands of Mlecchas!

It's Time that didn't come to the help of Arjuna when they were abducted. Arjun's military prowess had no match until then. But he found himself thoroughly helpless and weak at that moment. He could not raise his Gandeepa to fight to stop the abduction of these women. It was as though he lost his power when Krishna was not with him. Already they were distressed at the exit of Krishna, at the loss of Vrishni men who killed one another and the loss of their land to the oceans. Life was indeed terrible at that moment. When he lamented this to Vyasa, Vyasa said as follows:

"All this has Time for its root. Time is, indeed, the seed of the universe, O Dhananjaya. It is Time again, that withdraws everything at its pleasure. One becomes mighty, and, again, losing that might, becomes weak. One becomes a master and rules others, and, again, losing that position, becomes a servant for obeying the behests of others. Thy weapons, having achieved success, have gone away to the place they came from. They will, again, come into thy hands when the Time for their coming approaches."

Thinking on these lines, our world is indeed sailing in space alone and against all odds. It is ramming through much of space debris many a times. But if nothing happens to it, it is because the TIME favours it to move safely. The two asteroids passing the earth on that Friday very much had the potential to create a global havoc, but nothing of that sort happened. It is because Time did not favour such havoc at that moment.

But Time had not been favourable at all times in the past. Thinking specifically of meteor or asteroid hits of the past, I can quote 2 instances, one just before the onset of Mahabharata war and another a week after Krishna's exit from this earth.

Just before the start of the Mahabharata war, Vyasa was narrating to Dhritharashtra the unusual events noted in the sky and on the terrestrial plane. It seemed as though the sky had tilted a little, because the planets seemed to have shifted back from their earlier positions. Even Arundhathi, the twin star of Vasishta in the Sapta rishi mandala (Ursa Major), seemed to have gone ahead of Vasishta, said Vyasa. This could not have happened in the celestial spheres, but could have been perceived so for the observer on earth if the earth's position had changed from the usual alignment. This is supported by another observation of Vyasa of the lunar cycle ending in 13 days. The only probable reason for this to happen is to have some asteroid or comet hitting the earth somewhere, thereby changing the tilt or speed of the earth to some extent.

The terrestrial happenings mentioned by Vyasa concur with the kind of after-effects of a meteor or asteroid hit. There were fierce winds, showers of dust, trembling of earth, roaring noises, high waves at the seas, strange behaviour of animals etc narrated by Vyasa as terrestrial happenings. All these portend the crashing of a meteor with high velocity in some place of the earth.

Interestingly, scientists have come up with a theory of a comet-hit in Austria around the time of Mahabharata war. Their theory has been supported by the Cuneiform tablet prepared in 700 BC but which explains a meteor-fall 5000 years ago.

It shows a falling meteor or asteroid whose period (based on the sky map shown in that tablet) is said to be 29th June, 3123 BC! The location is said to be somewhere in Austria!

The date is fascinating as it is 21 years prior to the start of the Kali yuga (3102 BC)! Mahabharata war happened 36 years before the start of Kali yuga and there was a detailed description of a probable meteor or asteroid hit somewhere on the earth just before the war started. There is a 15 year gap between that hit and the year deciphered from the above shown tablet. But such a close date makes me wonder whether the asteroid â€“hit shown in the tablet was the same as the one deciphered from the Mahabharata. Or we may come across such a meteor hit on the exact year of Mahabharata some time in future. I for one would not fault the Mahabharata year, for, we in India have a continuing tradition of calendar that is based on 5 factors related to the position of the sun and the moon on everyday basis, which has its beginning on 3102 BC when Kali Yuga started. The 5 factors are like counter checking devices such that even if one of them is wrong, we would not be having the other factors correct. So it is impossible to say that we have erred in our calendar.

What I wish to point out by citing the cuneiform tablet is that the probability rate of an asteroid-hit was high around the start of Mahabharata war. That hit had a fatal impact on the earth â€“ a case of how TIME determines the events.

The next catastrophe happened 36 years after Mahabharata war. Krishna had left his mortal coils and 7 days after that, massive waves “ resembling a tsunami “ hit Dwaraka and completely submerged it. This also seems to have been caused by an asteroid hit. There exists a scientific study that an asteroid of 3 mile width smashed on the sea floor off the coast of Madagascar. The date, interestingly was 5000 years BP â€“ the time that Dwaraka was swallowed by Arabian sea. The chevrons seen around Madagascar are said to have been formed by a massive tsunami of 600 feet-high waves when an asteroid landed in the Indian Ocean near Madagascar.

This hit was supposed to have thrown up debris and dust on the air for about a week. Any disturbance here can be expected to trigger tsunamis that travelled to Arabian Sea. The Dwaraka submergence could have been caused by this (or any) tsunami that originated south of the Arabian Sea and hit Gujarat where Dwaraka was a prominent habitat 5000 years ago.

Madagascar is also the location of early Tamil settlements of the 1st Sangam period which ended 5550 BC (All Tamils must unite to save Ram-Setu.) This hit must have wiped off the1st Sangam settlements and pushed the people to Kumari range (extension of Western Ghats in the Arabian Sea) to closer to South Indian mainland.

In the illustration below, the Mascarene plateau is shown in a green ring near Madagascar. This was submerged about 7000 to 5000 years ago.

The white arrow marks are the route of tsunami waves if an asteroid had hit the sea near Madagascar, as found in the study. The red ring is the area available for settlement during the 2 sangam period of Tamils. This settlement lasted between 5550 BC to 1850 BC (with an approximation of 2 centuries before or after). By 1850 BC (that is the time Indus civilisation came to an end due to earthquakes and the subduction of the Saraswathy river thereby indicating a violent disturbance in the Arabian sea corridor where 2nd sangam Tamils were located) the Kumari ranges were lost to the seas â€“ an information that we get from Silappadhikaram.

The cause of this last catastrophe was tectonic disturbances but the loss of Dwaraka and even the 1st sangam Tamil regions can be attributed to an asteroid hit.

Coming to the theme of this article, we are crossing Space in a comparatively safer Time now than during the Mahabharata and Kaliyuga start-up times. In an amazing coincidence I am writing this article on the day after Mahashivaratri! This day signifies the Cosmic Dance of Lord Shiva by which He offers protection to his devotees from death and destruction. Mayamatham says that worship of any of the dancing forms of Shiva (there are supposed to be 108 different forms of Shiva's dances!) brings in return the immediate death of an enemy. This reminds me of the small but intricately carved Shiva as Nataraja in the dancing form found at the entrance of Krishna's sannidhi in Dakur Dwaraka. Was it consecrated there to stall any future fury of the ocean at Dwaraka? TIME only knows!

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Absolutely great as usual. Not many of us know whay happened after the Mahabharatha war or after Sree Krishna left the earth. HOPE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS TOPIC.

I think after the war, there was not only the desctruction of cities, but also a destruction of a great civilisation that slowly was swallowed by Time to the state it is today and Time may bring back those times back to the worthy

The Indus culture was a Post- Mahabharata culture of people of dwaraka spreading out to northwest India and starting their traditional jobs. It must be noted that 18 clans left the Gangetic regions and accompanied Krishna when he left Mathura once for all to come to settle down at Dwaraka. Each of these clans were experts in a particular trade. They continued their trade once after they settled in Dwaraka. But they had a hurdle in marketing their products. That formed one of the core reasons for Mahabharata war - a reason to have an economic advantage!

Let me explain. The northern silk route was a popular route that connected North India (Aryavarta) with Central Asia and Europe. Even as early as Ramayana times, this route was in use in some form. Kaikeyi's motherland was there (Kazakhsthan) and Bharata had to travel for a week by a fast moving carriage to come from there to Ayodhya. Bharata later founded Pushkalavathy (Peshwar) and Tjakshasheela (Taxila)on the route mainly to have control and vigilance over this route to Europe.

In Mahabharata times, Duryodhana's maternal home happened to be in this route in Gandhara! That means Kauravas must have controlled this northern route and anyone moving their goods would have to pay taxes to them. At that time Krishna's men in Dwaraka possessed varieties of trading skills and must have been aping to have a control over this trade route.

In South india, all the 3 Tamil Kings also must be dependent on these north Indian kings for far-off trade purposes. We have ample evidence in Tamil sangam texts to say that Tamils had gone past the Thar desert to regions beyond that (NW India and Central Asia)for trading purposes. They had taken a year to come back on such trading missions.

For them the first stop must have been at Dwaraka through Dakshina pada and from there to Uttara pada (northern route). This explains why the Tamils also participated in the Mahabharata war. Of interest is the participation of Pandyan King Sarangadwaja who sided with Pandavas. (The Cheran king in contrast, supplied logistics to both the sides.).

The Pandyan king sarangadwaja was not interested in siding with Pandavas that had Krishna as the mentor. It was because Krishna had earlier killed the father of sarangadwaja. (Mahabharata says all this) So Sarangadwaja was keen on taking revenge on Krishna. But Drishtadhyumna pacified him and convinced him to be on the PAndava side. What possibly could have made Sarangadwaja to ignore the enmity with Krishna and fight along with him? As he was a king, nothing other than a larger good for his country could have convinced him to side with Krishna. The larger good could be in all probability some commercial or economic benefit available for his subjects. If the northern route came under the control of the Pandavas, all those in their alliance could reap the benefit. The artisans and traders were all in Dwaraka and they had a greater stake in wresting the control of the Northern route and their king, Krishna was supporting Pandavas. That is how the Pandyan loyalty to Pandavas could have been got.

To substantiate this line of thinking, we will see that the entire IVC culture was a trading and commercially active culture. It covered the region from Dwaraka to Gandhara and was busy sending their products to Europe and Central Asia. There were no kingdoms in this culture because there was an overall power centre at Indraprastha which ensured that the trade routes were safe for them. The unicorn moulds of the IVC -found in silver too - were infact the Varaha money (legal tender) which continued till Vijayanagara times.

The IVC culture continues smoothly till natural causes rattled the settlements 1500 years after it started (around 1500 BC). It was at that time Byt Dwaraka was inundated.

A complete dispersal of people of the IVC happened. While most of them moved to the Gangetic plain, those in Dwaraka were brought to Tamil lands. The 18 clans with rich expertise in many trades were brought to Tamil lands by Agasthya. It was the same time - the same natural calamity disturbed Kavatam of PAndyans who also entered mainland South India. A merger took place in what is now known as Kongu region. Kangeyam, Muddor kURRAm were the regions where the shepherd communities of Dwaraka and Thennan (southerner) PAndyan mixed up. The Kangeyam bull is similar to the bull depicted in IVC seals. There is a genetic study that says that bulls of South india came from IVC sites!

The Kongu Tamil of this region is not the original Tamil as most of the settlers were from Dwaraka who spoke Kodum Tamil (Apa-brahmsa). The rich tradition of Mahabharata God in this region also testifies their previous regions in Dwaraka and before that in Ganga region. The classification of 5 Thinais of Tamil grammer took shape only after the Dwarakans came here. Tholkappiyam of today was written sometime after they shifted to Tamil lands.

Vajra was their memorable king. vajra was the great grand son of Krishna who was evacuated from Krishna's Dwaraka by Arjuna and was installed as the king of Indraprastha. Vajra was incidentally the grand son of Banasura of Mahabali's lineage. He was located in Mahabalipura which is now submerged.(There were 7 locations one after another into the sea off present day Mahabalipura. Like Dwaraka, this region was remembered and reestablished after each submergence. The reason was Vamana connection to Bali. The submergences must be in the direction of Sundaland (Indonesia))
By this we can say that Vajra can be considered as having had early roots in or near Tamilnadu. The word 'Vajra' in Porunthal pot can be explained by the Vajra connection to Dwearakans who later migrated to Tamil nadu. Their identity with Dwarakan Vels ended by 2000 years ago when the last popular Vel king Paari was killed by the 3 Tamil kings by deceit. By the time of silappadhikaram, almost all the Vel kings (the kshtriyas who protected the displaced Dwarakans)were killed and the artisans became the 2nd class citizens under the Tamil kings. The roots of caste conflicts started then and it is my contention that the 18 castes - all of then artisans) mentioned by Marai malai adigal as backward classes were in fact displaced Dwarakans.

By all these it is indicated that life and civilisation had continued after Mahabharata and we are continuing that legacy.

Interesting and fascinating. Thank you once again. You have given an absolutely different perspective about the Mahabharata as well as our history.

It is time to rethink our history as mere mythology or imaginary, but in terms of economics, trade, science etc.

The Mahabharata has made a very drastic change in the history of the world as a whole.

Hope someone will combine such datas and create a marvelous movie, so that our next and the present generation gets to know the true world history based on a single/great incident. Let the Hassans and MKs get hit on thier heads

//I have written at many places what had happened post Mahabharata. Kindly read the following article.//

Actually I have been reading most of your blogs, infact I am addicted to your blog for the last 3 years, the only thing is I forget most of the names, places etc because of confusion. One thing I do normally is I have text file that contains all the links of any interesting topics such as this for future reference

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