Manipulative Idiocy of New Gingrich’s Attempt to Demonize Islam and Make War

By Daily Bell Staff - July 16, 2016

Newt Gingrich Argues U.S. Should Conduct Shariah Test … Newt Gingrich, a former speaker of the House and a finalist to become Donald J. Trump’s running mate, said in an interview on Fox News that Muslims in the United States should be subject to a test to see if they support Shariah law. “If they believe in Shariah,” Mr. Gingrich said Thursday night, referring to the legal code of Islam based on the Quran, “they should be deported.” – New York Times

Has Newt Gingrich actually talked to a Muslim?

Shariah law, as was explained to us long ago, is purposefully harsh to ensure that believers are warned not to transgress. Its intention is moral, not punitive.

The bar is set very high. For instance, it takes FOUR male believers to make an accusation of adultery. They actually have to witness the act. They have to be in the room.

Here, from Islamisweb.net:

In the case of adultery, Islam requires four witnesses to testify that they have seen the offence, or else, a clear and confirmed confession by the perpetrators.

It may be suggested, then, that the punishment is unreal and unenforceable, which renders it ineffective as a deterrent.

Punishment is not the basis of the Islamic approach; its basis is prevention, education and cultivating people’s finer feelings and consciences so that they refrain from even contemplating this offence.

The harshness of Shariah law is visited upon believers by sects like the Wahhabi. Wahhabi is a “mad” religion as we described it HERE.

It is this fundamentalist Wahhabism that Saudi Arabia is busily exporting around the Middle East … Wahhabism … contributes to the polarization of Islamic society generally.

[Western] elites, doing everything within their power to encourage a wider (phony) “war on terror,” surely have no compunction about supporting Saudi authoritarianism and the Saud family’s very own crazy religion.

And thus it is that one can argue the Americans and British are behind the dissemination of extremist Wahhabism in all its intolerance and brutality …

While making noises about liberating women in the Middle East and Africa, Western elites continue to prop up the Saud reign and its Wahhabi state religion …

This is truly the kind of psychopathology that can emerge only after societies have been corrupted for decades, for centuries. Unfortunately for Saudi citizens, their society has indeed been under attack for that long.

Does Gingrich not understand that the City is ultimately behind Wahhabism?

Does he not understand that Sunni Islam is fairly democratic, participative and peaceful?

He’s not a stupid person. He writes books and regularly opens his mouth for a living.

Just yesterday we wrote about the West – London’s City and the CIA – were behind the creation and expansion of Islamic terrorism. HERE.

This is well known. Gingrich must know it.

Shariah law’s fundamental intention is cautionary. And the Islamic extremists that regularly enforce it are Western inventions.

A war between Islam and the West is being fomented.

It is, however, a bankers’ war, ultimately, as every war is a BANKER’S WAR.

Gingrich later tried to walk back his remarks but it really doesn’t matter.

His intention is clear. He is preying on people’s ignorance to raise his profile. He will apparently say anything. Do anything.

More:

During his nine-minute interview with Sean Hannity, Mr. Gingrich said: “Western civilization is in a war. We should, frankly, test every person here who is of a Muslim background, and if they believe in Shariah they should be deported. Shariah is incompatible with Western civilization …

“We need to be fairly relentless about defining who our enemies are. Anybody who goes on a website favoring ISIS or Al Qaeda or other terrorist groups, that should be a felony and they should go to jail.

“Any organization which hosts such a website should be engaged in a felony; it should be closed down immediately.”

What is wrong with these two? Just like the rest of the Western elite establishment, they are interested in manipulations not in truth.

They are promoting war because that is today’s agenda.

They only wish to reserve a place at the head of the procession.

Gingrich will never fight in the wars he is promoting.

The people he works for – or wants to work for again – have manufactured a global depression.

Now they are desperately trying to create wars to distract people from the economic ruin.

The end result is to be increased globalization experienced by the survivors and led by a handful of banking manipulators.

If war is coming, real war waged against China, Russia or consolidated regions of the Middle East, then it will be the responsibility of those who choose to use their positions to propagandize military interventions.

Conclusion: Most people in this world are peaceful. It takes a lot of organization to induce people to pick up guns and shoot them at strangers. It is unconscionable to lie to generate this sort of result. Those lying are doing the evil work of a handful of individuals who use war as a tool to line their own pockets. Few words or phrases, unfortunately, are strong enough to condemn this process.

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“sharia is incompatible with western civilization”….i hear this a lot, even among people who call themselves libertarian…do they not realize they are talking about the west as a collectivist society? that totally goes against libertarianism…anyone can live together peacefully if they respect each other’s personal freedom…are they imagining muslims denying americans the right to be americans? are muslims really doing that? are they just angry at having to see people who are different and imagining some imposition? i’m convinced it is just pure ignorant bigotry…

Mdog

You sound like an intelligent person. You might want to spend a few weeks studying Islam before you say things like this. Sharia is utterly incompatible with the US constitution. That fact that you don’t think so is irrelevant. Please become educated about this. Read Robert Spencer or Jay Sekulow or any of many more experts on the subject.

Nonsense. Read the old Testament. It too is incompatible with the Constitution. There are plenty of Muslims living lawfully in the US. And from the standpoint of doctrine, Shariah Law is primarily a moral code – one not enforced to the letter (or regularly exercised as initially written) except by Western-funded ISIS and Wahhabi extremists.

CHESTY COOPER

Codifying pedophilia is for the purpose of morality?
Codifying wife beating and honor killing is for the purpose of morality?
Codifying genital mutilation is for the purpose of morality?
etc.-etc.
Seriously sir?
Has DB had a mental breakdown?

The vast majority of those living in countries where Islam is practiced are peaceful people, regardless of what you may think of their culture. Indonesia and Asia are not convulsed by war and violence. Neither was Libya, nor even Syria or Iraq, until the West attacked them.

Meanwhile, the US currently has some six million in various forms of incarceration – some 25 percent of the world’s population. Many of these “prisoners” are torn from their families and subjected to beatings, solitary confinement and worse for minor infractions and “victimless” crimes. One ouf of every three individuals is subjected to some sort of criminal investigation by age 24, according to USA Today. All societies struggle with violence and problems that have little to do with religion.

CHESTY COOPER

Six million is 25% of the world’s population? I trust that’s a typo. Your contention is that US prisoners are subjected to beatings and worse for minor crimes? The implication being that these are random? Unsubstantiated disinformation much?

What are you defending? Jailing one quarter of the world’s imprisoned population? Or subjecting people who smoke a joint now and then to lengthy imprisonment, beatings and worse?

Praetor

I would forgive some arrests, if they just put Hillary in jail!!!

CHESTY COOPER

Not at all. I prefer decriminalization of drugs, along with severe penalties for actual crimes such as causing injury or damage because of inappropriate behavior while under the influence. If you want to do drugs and be safe have at it. If you want to do drugs and OD, again have at it.
I suppose if we mearly cut the arms off thieves and executed drug users as per Islamic law, we would have a considerably lower incarceration rate. Would that sooth your angst about the US prison situation?

“I suppose if we merely cut the arms off thieves and executed drug users as per Islamic law, we would have a considerably lower incarceration rate.”

The US is one of the only Western countries that regularly executes prisoners. And it is one of the only countries that utilized torture – waterboarding – as a matter of policy. You are confusing government policies with peaceable, individual adherence. In fact, you are defending the indefensible if you are trying to maintain the West is “civilized” and the rest of the world is not. The US and Britain have prosecuted most of the organized warfare of the past half-century. Millions of women and children have died or been poisoned by depleted uranium weapons. To proclaim people who worship Islam are uncivilized and violent but people who live in the West are civilized and peaceful is not borne out by facts.

CHESTY COOPER

What, pray tell is this peaceable individual adherence relative to government policy you speak of?
You have attempted here,to make the case for Islam being demonized, and then pivot to condemnation of the US as a rogue “Western country”. I believe you want to have to both ways in your defense of your inconsistent assertions.

Don’t understand your comment. In the past half century, the West has prosecuted most if not all of the world’s serial, organized warfare. Not Islamic countries. The West. That’s not an inconsistent statement. It’s true.

CHESTY COOPER

Were we not discussing prison incarceration due to your deflection of Sharia being a moral code? A focused discussion can potentially yield some conclusions, if not agreement and enlightenment.

Sam Fox

DB, Jesus set the Old Testament & it’s law aside when He fulfilled it all with the last blood sacrifice for sin. He brought us a New Testament/Covenant. Read what the US Founders had to say about the Bible.
Anyone trying to use the OT as a basis for needless perpetual war is mishandling the Book. I do believe in self defense. Hope I am never in a place where I need it.
Since the USA is NOT founded on sharia, let Muslims go by what is already in place here. And assimilate.
SamFox

dauden

How embarrassing for those of us who actually use critical thinking when studying the Bible. Again, we DO NOT have a covenant relationship with God today! God never promised us anything! That which is prophetic in Scripture….about 80% of it…..is to, for and about the nation of Israel. The new covenant/testament concerns a people with a promise given to Abraham on the earth and subsequently to a nation that God revealed his perfect law to but knowing they could not keep it. We know this by studying Genesis through John and Hebrews thru Revelations. We are living today in the dispensation of the grace of God, Eph 3:2, found in Romans thru Philemon, a mystery hid from the foundation of the world Rom 16:25. If you would study the Bible, rightly divided, as instructed in 2 Tim 2:15, KJV, you would understand ALL of Scripture and not be “tossed to and fro” (Ephesians 4:14).

“That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the
commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise,
having no hope, and without God in the world:”
Eph 2:12, KJV

Sam Fox

dauden, Oh. Jesus musta been wrong when He said to the disciples that the wine at the 1st communion was symbolic of His blood of the new covenant. Matt. 26:28.

Yeah I’m so dumb. I just go by the Holy Spirit & what the Word says up front. Looks to me you are kinda Bible deficient. 😉 Betcha don’t know who the true Israel of God is. 🙂 Or who a true Jew is. 😮 KJ kinda limits ya.

Paul! How he musta blew it by turning from hard headed stuck on Moses’ Law Jews to the gentiles. Whoa! Acts 13:46. Acts 9:15. Acts 11:1. Acts 14:27.

Dispensationalist are you? Actually there has been a ‘dispensation’ of grace since chapter 3 of Genesis. It was grace that was given to Adam & Eve when Father killed an animal, clothed them & gave them the promise of the Redeemer.

Grace runs from Genesis to Revelation. Different forms/manifestations, but grace all the same.

Dispensationalism is a man made teaching. The Book doesn’t say there are different dispensations.

That time per Eph. 2:12 is over. Now salvation is a gift to all the world to those who will receive it, to the Jew first & also the gentile. Now every one who believes on Elohim’s Messiah has hope & are no longer strangers to the I AM That I AM.

You sound sorta like a pre trib Messianic kinda person.
Here, read Galatians 4 in the Amplified. Pay special attention to verse 21 to the end.

Can we do this talk somewhere else? The subject on the thread is Newt [the slime] & sharia.

SamFox

dauden

Sam, I would like to continue because I do believe you are saved (reading between the lines) but you, like so many christians today, are confusing by your use of the Hebraic Scriptures with the Pauline. If you separated prophecy from the mystery, by right division–again, God’s instructions to the church today found in 2 Tim 2:15 kjv only–then you would not try to fit yourself into Israel’s Abrahamic covenant.

You are trying to claim what is not yours! Most christians who claim to be one, do this and are simply confused. I don’t mean to offend, but you cannot take any Scripture out of the Bible and apply it to yourself. Not all of it was written to you. You must ask, “who is the audience this was written to”? and simply gain knowledge and understanding from it. The Apostle Paul is our pattern for the church today. He, alone, was saved by grace without works. Friend me on FB and let’s work this out further. Debra Auden

Me_Again

Sharia is utterly incompatible with democracy, never mind your constitution.

Frank McDuff

Well that just took him out of the VP position, should Trump win Gingrich will be in his cabinet for sure.

Mdog

I’m shocked that is sort of uneducated drivel is appearing on DB. Have you just been bought out by someone? True Islam is incompatible with freedom and liberty.

1096 Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter half the Jews in Worms, Germany.
1098 Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter almost all of the inhabitants of the city of Antioch.
1099 Roman Catholic crusaders massacre 70,000 Muslims and Jews when they capture Jerusalem.
1208 – 1226 The Albigensian Crusades in southern France. Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter approximately 20,000 citizens of Beziers, France, on July 22, 1209. Albigensian Christians and Catholics were slain. By the time the Roman Catholic armies finished their “crusade,” almost the entire population of southern France (mostly Albigensian Christians) has been exterminated. During the six centuries of papal Inquisition that began in the 13th century, up to 50 million people were killed. Read what J. A. Wylie’s The History of Protestantism has to say about the Crusades against the Abigenses
1236 Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter Jews in the Anjou and Poitou regions of western France. The Catholic crusaders trample to death under their horses 3000 Jews who refuse baptism.
1243 Roman Catholic mobs burn alive all the Jews in Berlitz, Germany (near Berlin).
1298 Roman Catholic mobs burn alive all Jews in Rottingen, Germany.
April 26, 1349 Roman Catholic mobs burn to death all Jews in Germersheim, Germany.
1348 – 1349 The Jews are blamed for the bubonic plague. Author Dave Hunt tells us, “Accused of causing the ‘Black Death’ Jews were rounded up [by Roman Catholic mobs] and hanged, burned, and drowned by the thousands in revenge.”
1389 Roman Catholic mobs murder 3000 Jews in Prague when they refuse to be baptized.
1481 – 1483 At the direction of the Roman Catholic inquisitors, authorities burn at the stake at least 2000 people during the first two years of the Spanish Inquisition.
1540 – 1570 Roman Catholic armies butcher at least 900,000 Waldensian Christians of all ages during this 30-year period.
1550 – 1560 Roman Catholic troops slaughter at least 250,000 Dutch Protestants via torture, hanging, and burning during this ten-year period.
1553 – 1558 Roman Catholic Queen Mary I of England (aka “bloody Mary”) attempts to bring England back under the yoke of papal tyranny. During her reign, approximately 200 men and woman are burned to death at the sake. Her victims include bishops, scholars, and other Protestant leaders.
Public Domain https://commons.wikimedia.org/…
Public Domain https://commons.wikimedia.org/……
1572 St. Bartholomew’s Day Massacre. French Roman Catholic soldiers begin killing Protestants in Paris on the night of August 24, 1572. The soldiers kill at least 10,000 Protestants during the first three days. At least 8000 more Protestants are killed as the slaughter spreads to the countryside.
1618 – 1648 The Thirty Years’ War. This bloody, religious war is planned, instigated, and orchestrated by the Roman Catholic Jesuit order and its agents in an attempt to exterminate all the Protestants in Europe. Many countries in central Europe lose up to half their population.
1641 – 1649 Eight years of Jesuit-instigated Roman Catholic butchery of Irish Protestants claims the lives of at least 100,000 Protestants.
1685 French Roman Catholic soldiers slaughter approximately 500,000 French Protestant Huguenots on the orders of Roman Catholic King Louis 14 of France.
Circa 1938 – 1945 Catholic dictators such as Adolf Hitler and Monsignor Tiso slaughter approximately six million Jews in Europe prior to and during World War 2.
1941 – 1945 The Roman Catholic Ustashi in the fascist state of Croatia butcher up to one million Serbian Orthodox Christians. Roman Catholic killer squads are often led by Franciscan priests, monks, and friars. This genocide is choreographed by two Jesuit prelates: Aloysius Stepinac and Ivan Saric.
For further details visit toughissues.org

1096 Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter half the Jews in Worms, Germany.
1098 Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter almost all of the inhabitants of the city of Antioch.
1099 Roman Catholic crusaders massacre 70,000 Muslims and Jews when they capture Jerusalem.
1208 – 1226 The Albigensian Crusades in southern France. Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter approximately 20,000 citizens of Beziers, France, on July 22, 1209. Albigensian Christians and Catholics were slain. By the time the Roman Catholic armies finished their “crusade,” almost the entire population of southern France (mostly Albigensian Christians) has been exterminated. During the six centuries of papal Inquisition that began in the 13th century, up to 50 million people were killed. Read what J. A. Wylie’s The History of Protestantism has to say about the Crusades against the Abigenses
1236 Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter Jews in the Anjou and Poitou regions of western France. The Catholic crusaders trample to death under their horses 3000 Jews who refuse baptism.
1243 Roman Catholic mobs burn alive all the Jews in Berlitz, Germany (near Berlin).
1298 Roman Catholic mobs burn alive all Jews in Rottingen, Germany.
April 26, 1349 Roman Catholic mobs burn to death all Jews in Germersheim, Germany.
1348 – 1349 The Jews are blamed for the bubonic plague. Author Dave Hunt tells us, “Accused of causing the ‘Black Death’ Jews were rounded up [by Roman Catholic mobs] and hanged, burned, and drowned by the thousands in revenge.”
1389 Roman Catholic mobs murder 3000 Jews in Prague when they refuse to be baptized.
1481 – 1483 At the direction of the Roman Catholic inquisitors, authorities burn at the stake at least 2000 people during the first two years of the Spanish Inquisition.
1540 – 1570 Roman Catholic armies butcher at least 900,000 Waldensian Christians of all ages during this 30-year period.
1550 – 1560 Roman Catholic troops slaughter at least 250,000 Dutch Protestants via torture, hanging, and burning during this ten-year period.
1553 – 1558 Roman Catholic Queen Mary I of England (aka “bloody Mary”) attempts to bring England back under the yoke of papal tyranny. During her reign, approximately 200 men and woman are burned to death at the sake. Her victims include bishops, scholars, and other Protestant leaders.
Public Domain https://commons.wikimedia.org/…
Public Domain https://commons.wikimedia.org/……
1572 St. Bartholomew’s Day Massacre. French Roman Catholic soldiers begin killing Protestants in Paris on the night of August 24, 1572. The soldiers kill at least 10,000 Protestants during the first three days. At least 8000 more Protestants are killed as the slaughter spreads to the countryside.
1618 – 1648 The Thirty Years’ War. This bloody, religious war is planned, instigated, and orchestrated by the Roman Catholic Jesuit order and its agents in an attempt to exterminate all the Protestants in Europe. Many countries in central Europe lose up to half their population.
1641 – 1649 Eight years of Jesuit-instigated Roman Catholic butchery of Irish Protestants claims the lives of at least 100,000 Protestants.
1685 French Roman Catholic soldiers slaughter approximately 500,000 French Protestant Huguenots on the orders of Roman Catholic King Louis 14 of France.
Circa 1938 – 1945 Catholic dictators such as Adolf Hitler and Monsignor Tiso slaughter approximately six million Jews in Europe prior to and during World War 2.
1941 – 1945 The Roman Catholic Ustashi in the fascist state of Croatia butcher up to one million Serbian Orthodox Christians. Roman Catholic killer squads are often led by Franciscan priests, monks, and friars. This genocide is choreographed by two Jesuit prelates: Aloysius Stepinac and Ivan Saric.
For further details visit toughissues.org

Beth

studying the life of Mohammed and the quran should tell you exactly who and what this so called peaceful religion really is. I can’t believe you actually printed this article. Just because you and yours are satisfied that Islam is taking over Europe and forcing submission to european citizens, does not make it okay for the United States or anyone else to accept this farce. I suggest that you worry about your own countries and let the US worry about thiers. By the way it just might be a good thing for you people to think about war to save yourselves from the coming destruction and good luck. .

The mass European immigration was orchestrated by the US military at the behest of the City’s British bankers. They are trying to destabilize Europe, cause chaos and then use that as an excuse the deepen the political union. . Read up on these issues and identify who exactly is manipulating Islam, using the religion for propaganda, and why. Wahhabism is a creation of Saudi Arabia, funded by the US dollar.

Probably the same people who invented pre-modern Christian, Jewish and Hindu extremism. Religion has always been manipulated to create the wars the ruling classes seek.

Rog Cook

The mass European immigration was orchestrated by the US military at the behest of the City’s British bankers. They are trying to destabilize Europe, cause chaos and then use that as an excuse the deepen the political union.
…
I’ve never heard such tosh. I’m from the UK. We have just voted to leave the EU, which will probably cause it to break up. We voted to leave because of ‘mass European immigration’.

The EU was pushed by the US, I agree. But what’s that got to do with, your words:
“The mass European immigration was orchestrated by the US military at the behest of the City’s British bankers. They are trying to destabilize Europe, cause chaos and then use that as an excuse the deepen the political union”?
Mass immigration certainly destabilises Europe. But it doesnt DEEPEN THE POLITICAL UNION. It has caused Brexit to happen. The UK was afraid of mass immigration and so voted out. Fact. This will destroy the EU, as Italy/France etc will follow us later.
So how does this deepen the political union.

Yes, Brexit has been used as a pretext to try to deepen the political union. Alternatively, as we’ve pointed out, this deepening can lead to further chaos. Either way, the EU’s “controllers” have justification to continue and deepen the present system.

Mdog

Thank you Beth. I, too, am shocked that this PC drivel came out of these folks. It is so uneducated. It’s embarrassing. Clearly, you are educated about the threat of this so-called religion. I’m glad you’re out there fighting the good fight. I’m afraid these folks will never get it.

Sam Fox

Beth, taking over Europe? Oh yeah!! Any look up Muslim Demographics? Muslims are out breeding Europeans & soon most all of Europe will be Muslim.

We have the same problem here in the USA. Wakey wakey everyone!!

SamFox

Me_Again

“The bar is set very high”
In reference to your assertion above and in regard to adultery, it also applies to rape. If there were ever 4 male witnesses, why wouldn’t they stop the event?
Perhaps the bar is set so high because no one wants there to be a conviction?
Bizarre at the very least.

Islam takes very seriously the honor and protection of women. The Quran repeatedly reminds men to treat women with kindness and fairness. Rape is a horrible crime which causes a women humiliation and physical harm.

Some people seem to confuse Islamic law by equating rape to sex outside of marriage (adultery or fornication). However, throughout Islamic history there have been scholars who classified rape as a form of terrorism (hiraba). There have also been specific examples in Islamic history which can shed light on how early Muslims handled this crime and its punishment.

Examples from Early Islamic History

During the lifetime of the Prophet Muhammad, a rapist was punished based on only the testimony of the victim.

Wa’il ibn Hujr reported that a woman publicly identified a man who had raped her. The people caught the man and brought him to the Prophet Muhammad. He told the woman to go, that she was not to be blamed, and ordered that the man be put to death.

In another case, a woman brought her infant to the mosque and publicly spoke about the rape that had resulted in her pregnancy. When confronted, the accused admitted the crime to the Caliph Umar who ordered his punishment. The woman was not punished.

Adultery or Terrorism?

It is incorrect to say that rape is merely a subcategory of adultery or fornication. In the well-known Islamic legal book, “Fiqh-us-Sunnah,” rape is included in a definition of hiraba (terrorism or crimes of violence): “A single person or group of people causing public disruption, killing, forcibly taking property or money, attacking or raping women, killing cattle, or disrupting agriculture.” This distinction is important when discussing the evidence required to prove the crime.

An early step in the science of rulership is to defeat through mental manipulation. War is a last resort. It is a resort, but not the first resort. First resort is to garner critical mass into a web of propaganda. Produce an enemy that “must be defeated”.

Fear of Islam has filled that nicely in this part of the world. As DB outlined in a recent article, Islam was not an issue until well after dawn of the 21st century. September 11, 2001 Gregorian was an opening volley. The meme has been pressed and intensified since that episode. Sam

sunshineinjuly

We are being manipulated all right..by the PE/Global elites who have a one world government ideation in their greedy gourds. The entire global warming scam is another of their pet projects that is made up of lies. There is no way man can heat up the central core of molten lava in the earth,.nor can any man control the 22,000 sun cycle of which we are now in the midst.. We are being lied to on many levels, but to deny one demon and put it onto others is a really big fat lie..as in islam not being whacked in the head and fed by 1,400 years of familial incest!! I really don’t think the CIA or the Pope or the Queen ever snuck into anybody’s tent and told them ‘tonight you have to do your sister or auntie’.

Western facilities have set up radical movements that make Islam appear to be a violent and predatory religion. In fact, much of the current Islamic “violence” (presented to the US public) is surely encouraged by Western factions seeking to increase tensions between the West and Islam..

We’ve identified ISIS and Al Qaeda as initial creations of the CIA, Saudi Arabia, Mossad and London’s City. If you believe the mainstream media story, you’ve been hijacked, not us.

The Guardian link is a dead link.
Yes Wahaabism is the most evil form of Islam. But for you to praise Sharia law when compared to the US constitution or the European liberal democracies is both wrong and sickening.
In the UK, around 25% of Muslims would like Sharia law to be enacted. This means enacting homophobic, anti feminist laws from people believing in sky gods from the Middle Ages.
Yes, the bible was as bad, but Christianity has moved on ( gay bishops, female priests etc). Islam has not.

Where did we praise Shariah law as superior to the Constitution? We are a libertarian publication.We believe that demonizing two billion people for their choice of religion will inevitably reduce freedom (in the countries doing the demonizing) and increase violence and the prospect of war.

That link is from Seamus Milne, well known ex communist and supporter of Russia (I live in the UK and know). But even he says:
“That doesn’t mean the US created Isis, of course, though some of its Gulf allies certainly played a role in it”
…
As for Sharia law, I’m really not sure what you are trying to say then. You certainly seem to be PRAISING it as a fine form of alternative justice. (And forget about it being homophobic, virulently anti-feminist. But go right ahead).

We provided three statements, including one from a former CIA agent. There are dozens more. You can look them up easily. It’s simply a fact that the US among other countries helped found first Al Qaeda and now ISIS.

We never “praised” Shariah law. We simply stated that it is purposefully written in a way that makes its more radical applications difficult to apply. In fact, its regular application is delivered by Wahhabi extremists – also cultivated by the US, the CIA, etc.

Rog cook

I wish I knew what you are trying to say about Sharia law.
You say it’s written in such a way that make its more radical applications difficult to apply. I don’t see that. It’s applied ‘benignly’ in countries which CHOOSE to do that like Malaysia, etc. But it’s dead easy to apply the more radical aspects for adultry etc. Wahaabism is the prime example, but the Taliban are pretty good at stoning ‘adulterous’ women to death.
It’s also extremely clear on its sexist attitudes to adultry, men can mess around, women not. Homosexuals are evil. So even in countries which don’t apply the ‘radical applications’ as you put it, the general population has to suffer homophobic, anti feminist laws.

From a theoretical standpoint, there are aspects of Sharia law that are repugnant. There are also aspects of Biblical law and even American or British law that are or have been repugnant. The language of Sharia law, like the language of the Koran, is being used to incite people to hatred. That is what Gingrich is doing, most cynically. The result of this hatred, if it continues and expands, will be war. Gingrich won’t participate in a war himself,, but others will.

Rog cook

I never said the US didn’t have some role in stirring up Muslims to found radical groups like Al Qaeda. I merely stated your link is from Seamus Milne, someone who hates the West and loves Russia. His attitude is ‘my enemies enemy is my friend’, therefore he will never criticise Islam. Indeed he has appeared on the same platform with radical UK Muslim clerics many times. I don’t think you know this, not comming from the UK.

Sam Fox

Rog, the Bible was not ever bad. The way it is sometimes twisted & taken out of context, yeah, that IS bad!

You may believe whatever ya want. But I have met Jesus via His Holy Spirit. I asked Him to forgive my sin & come into my heart. He did. If I was under a delusion in Nov. of ’69, I assure you, it would have worn off by now.

Shucks Rog, He is more real in my life now that ever. Like I said, believe whatcha want. As for me, I’ll stick with Jesus & what the Bible itself says, not some man’s interpretation.

And NO! I am not religious! Don’t even like ‘religion’. It can be antithetical to the true Bible based New Covenant freedom Christ brings.

Thanks.

SamFox

dauden

Sam, you have never met Jesus. But you can study His word and know Him through the “mind of Christ” laid out through the Pauline Epistles and right division (2 Tim 2:15, KJV).

And you can’t ask him to “forgive your sin and come into your heart”. Where is that Scripture verse? These are religious terms of modern Christianity.

And, yes, you are religious. The “true Bible based new covenant” is not to, for or about you. It concerned the promises to Israel, past and future. If you are truly saved today, you would simply trust in the finished work of Christ at the cross (I Cor 15:1-4) which was a mystery hid from the foundations of the world…until revealed to Paul (Romans thru Philemon). This would place you into the body of Christ, separate from the program God had, and will have again, with Israel when His promises, and their salvation, will be complete.

Sam Fox

dauden, you are the one being religious. And, yes, I did met Yeshua. I have been studying His Word since Nov. ’69.

Where is the ONE way to pray to get forgiven in the Book? I could have prayed “God be merciful to me a sinner” & if I placed my faith in Father’s Messiah I would have been just as saved as Peter, Paul or the little old ladies who my Mom got to pray for me.

I simply DO trust in His work on our behalf that He accomplished on the cross. I have been in the body of Messiah ever since I prayed that Nov night.

You don’t seem to know who the true Israel is. You think it’s natural Israel, & it was until Yeshua Messiah was resurrected.

Separate from Israel? Paul tells of there is no dividing wall between Jew & gentile & that of the two Father wants to make one new man. Verse in the link from Biblegateway.

I am not wanting to discuss this here as this is thread under a diff subject.

Is there a chat site we can use that won’t fill my ‘puter full of tracking cookies & malware?

I am not offended, so no worries there. Let me know & we can talk some more.

Thanks for responding.

SamFox

Deplorable Donna

“Islam is fairly democratic, participative and peaceful”
I guess “fairly” is the operative word here. Punishment for any woman, for almost any infraction, is quite severe. From stoning, to acid, to disfigurement, to death.

Islam is being demonized by those who want to encourage religious tensions globally. Religions are easy to criticize. One can criticize almost any society for a lack of “true peace.” For instance, the US conducts most of the world’s serial warfare, imprisons 25% of the world’s incarcerated population and makes torture a matter of policy.

CHESTY COOPER

“Our point is that Islam is being demonized by those who want to encourage religious tensions”
Islam is being demonized by real life, actual DEMONS who commit their horror in the name of Islam.
Perhaps you ought to balance your posted facts about the US’s negatives, with some facts and stats from the Islamic world.

The “demons” you refer to are extremists created and supported by Western interests. There is no “balance” to be had.

CHESTY COOPER

Just created them out of thin air?
If not for the evil CIA (and yes they are evil) the murderous, barbaric, inhuman actions of the Jihadi’s would never have come to pass? I trust you’re intention is not to insult my intelligence.

This sort of Islamic “terrorism” was not aimed at the West prior to the creation of Al Qaeda and ISIS. It didn’t exist as a Western issue.

CHESTY COOPER

You pivoted your argument once again. You stated it was created and supported by Western interests; now you say it wasn’t aimed at the west prior to AQ/ISIS. You have refuted your original point. You are correct in pointing out, however, that historically these terror merchants have always aimed their barbarism at someone.

What? We said it didn’t EXIST prior to AQ/ISIS. Modern Islamic violence is a Western invention.

Sam Fox

DB. I just want US Muslims to go by our laws. I want them to assimilate, which most don’t seem to want to do.

I don’t hate them or any one else. I don’t waste my energy on hating. I just want them to reconfigure themselves to the USA, not the other way round.

Thanks.

SamFox

Sam Fox

DB, so why don’t the ‘peaceful’ Muslims put an end to the hijacking of their religion? Why do most of them just sit around. It’s like they are waiting for a Muslim take over. Otherwise, why are so few of the millions & millions just being quite?
SamFox

Why don’t Americans stop the endless serial wars that have murdered and wounded so many millions in the Middle East and elsewhere?

S Johnson

This is just getting dumb. I agree the wars are sh–ty. Should have never happened. We should all live and let live. But we are human. Most are very ignorant and borderline brain dead. stay on topic DB.

and

Db , so why dont the peaceful catholics put an end to the hijacking of their religion?
Why do most catholics just sit around, its like they’re waiting for a pedophile takeover , otherwise why are so few of the millions and millions paying tithes knowig it funds lawyers and the silenced victims ?

Still not a fan of sharia , nor islam , nor politicians and finally , it’s the damb bankers , always has been and until the fiat currency system is scrapped or hobbled , we’ll always be at each others throats .

Deplorable Donna

Love to see you tell this b.s to the families of the victims that just got run over by a truck or the parents of the little 5 year old girl in Idaho that got raped by a Muslim.

Pedophilia seems to be the norm in the Muslim population. Maybe you would like to offer up your sons and daughters for a Muslim to play with?

Running people down with a truck, raping children, shooting up a bar full of gays certainly appears as if they are bringing the war to us….not Newt

The truck tragedy is now associated with ISIS. And ISIS was founded and supported by the CIA and other Western interests, including close Western ally Saudi Arabia. You are supposed to blame Islam. That’s the idea.

Sam Fox

Donna, Newt Stinks!! He is a snake on the level of 0, Hillary, the Bush family,…long list.

Sharia law cannot be separated from Islam — it is incompatible with Western civilization and the Bill of RIghts. Gingrich is no doubt an opportunist, however, the present invasion of the US sponsored by the Obama-Clinton espionage operation must be stemmed with extreme measures, including termination of those guiding the chaos.

You really think the Constitution and Bill of Rights provide the foundation of current US lawmaking? OK. Let us accept your argument at face value. Here, from “Teaching Tolerance” is an alternative view:

Q: Is Sharia compatible with American law and values?

A: Many aspects of Sharia or Islamic law are consistent with modern legal rules found in American law. For example, both legal systems allow rights to personal property, mutual consent to contracts, the presumption of innocence in criminal proceedings, and the right of women to initiate divorce proceedings.

If and when religious laws conflict with American law, the Free Exercise and Establishment Clauses of the First Amendment prohibit American government, including the courts, from substituting religious laws for civil law or following religious laws that violate civil law. This prohibition applies to all religions equally.

Q: Do all Muslim countries adhering to Sharia engage in stoning and amputations as punishment for crimes?

A: No. These penalties are not allowed in 52 countries that make up the 57-nation Organization of Islamic Cooperation, encompassing most countries with a Muslim-identified government. Indonesia, the most populous Muslim majority country, along with Egypt, Turkey, and Morocco all use Sharia as a primary source of law and none allow these punishments.

In countries where extreme interpretations of Sharia are applied, like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Somalia and 12 states in northern Nigeria, stoning and amputations for adultery and theft are rarely used or enforced.

moderate Muslim regimes may apply or ignore certain aspects of Sharia, but regardless, the evidence of invasion has been confirmed by border agents and various independent sources/journalists/whistle-blowers. Since the the invasion is engineered by elements within key federal agencies and the Usurper in chief, the states must recognize the danger and take action.

Sam Fox

DB, shouldn’t what you just said mean the Muslims in the USA should have no problem adhering to & tolerating the US Constitution & setting Sharia aside?
There is no way I want to see the two melded or Sharia take over. If they want Sharia, let them go home or somewhere it is now in play. If they want to stay in the US, let them go by what we have in place now.
All we have to do now is get those in DC to go by what we have in place now, the Constitution. Yeah…I know…dream on…
SamFox

MetaCynic

What those comments questioning DB’s sanity in defending Islam fail to note is that conflicts between nations and religions do not just mysteriously erupt out of nowhere. As DB has amply documented over the years, large scale strife is always orchestrated by hidden players lusting for power and money.

I agree with DB that, contrary to what their holy books may proclaim, most ordinary people all over the world, including Muslims, simply out of necessity, want to peacefully go about their lives working, raising families and getting along with neighbors. There isn’t much time for anything else. During times of peace, prosperity and social stability they have no inclination to go on the warpath for their beliefs.

It’s worth keeping in mind that ordinary people do not concoct and interpret religious creeds and political doctrines. Intellectuals do. It is intellectuals who invented concepts such as “the will of god” and “the interest of the nation.” Intellectuals then foisted these abstractions on gullible masses in order to control other men. During modern times intellectuals lent credibility and respectability to politicians looking to justify their iron-fisted rule. The 20th Century’s nasty political and economic “isms” weren’t some foul products of spontaneous human action. Instead they sprang from the unhealthy minds of power hungry intellectuals. The colossal, socially destabilizing failures of these “isms” have served as a pretext for further violent state intervention including war between nations.

Let’s not forget that on two occasions this past century, “civilized”, white, Christian Europeans and Americans searched their holy books to justify slaughtering each other in the tens of millions in the name of some intellectuals’ concept called “national honor.” Is it any wonder that now some formerly peaceful Muslims look to the most extreme tenets of their religious texts to justify barbarism, albeit on a much smaller scale, after the same “civilized”, white, Christian Europeans and Americans, egged on by their intellectual leaders, had acquiesced in the bombing and wrecking of Muslim countries for the purpose of making money for the already wealthy European and American elite?

Dimitri Ledkovsky

Holy Kaaba! What a reaction.

rahrog

People will argue forever over religion. America doesn’t need ANY immigrants from ANYWHERE at this time. The labor force participation rate is at an all time low, unemployment is running at 20%, wages are falling while the cost of food, fuel, clothing, and shelter continue to rise. Immigration in and of itself is neither good nor bad for an economy. Flooding an economy with job seekers drives down wages, and in the case of modern America, the cost of goods is rising because of fiat currency. America does not need ANYMORE immigrants at this time.

Ephraiyim

That really doesn’t work! Pun is intended. 😀

rahrog

Newt Gingrich is a dirt bag.

Sam Fox

rahrog, you are being way kind to the vermin snake Gingrich.
Thanks for knowing that. Lotta peeps think ol Newt is the cat’s meow. I think he’s lower than cat excretion.
SamFox

rahrog

Agreed. Although the stench of cat feces would be preferable to that which wafts of Gingrich.

Sam Fox

Yo, DB, according to Jihad Watch, Town Hall, Post newspaper & several other sites, Sharia ‘honor killings’ are on the rise in the USA. Is the CIA behind them as well?
Those ‘honor’ murders are Sharia based.
How’s that fit in with what the article says?
SamFox

Gingrich is cynically trying to deepen anti-Islam feeling without revealing that the CIA and other Western entities are creating conditions for recent Islamic violence in order to deepen the polarization between the West and two billion Muslims. All cultures have problems. Humans are problematic. Hindus have a problem with caste-based honor killings. Gingrich isn’t trying to “whip up” anti-Indian feeling though. Only Islam.

Ephraiyim

“Sharia ‘honor killings’ are on the rise in the USA. Is the CIA behind them as well?”

All I can say Sam is how would we know?
Most revelations about CIA involvement in ANYTHING have come yrs if not decades later.
So…maybe!

EDD

As a student of comparative religions, I have found this article to have some refreshing insights. Every section of the world has had great souls take embodiment during the times when the world was much larger. By that I mean when the world was in ages where the information exchange was limited due to the separation of cultures, the Universal Consciousness saw that it was important to have souls with high spiritual standards take embodiment within these different cultures. Each of the souls so mentioned were very high in the evolutionary process.

Christianity has been so diluted that the original message of the master of the Piscean age has been distorted. My research has shown that the life of Jesus is much more profound than what has been written about his life. The Bible is very limited concerning his life. How much different would the understanding of Christianity be if the world was to understand that the life Jesus demonstrated was of a soul who also searched for the reason of his existence?

Christianity as taught for the last 2,000 years does not include his years of approximately 2 to 12 and 13 to 29 or 30. Many lost manuscripts have been discovered that indicates Jesus had several sources of personal experiences where he investigated the worlds religious philosophies of his time. There are indications he spent time in England during his formative years when he traveled with Joseph of Arimathea.

The ‘three wise men of the east’ came out of a culture that understood astrology and they were searching for the ‘great soul’ who was to come into embodiment at that time. In order to keep this post as short as possible, I won’t go into all my research sources but I have concluded Jesus traveled to India to study the Hindu religion and then traveled into the Himalayan region where he studied the Buddhist traditions. Then, and only then, did he begin his ministry in the mid-east.

The ‘golden rule’ is the same in all of the world’s major religious philosophies even though each uses different words to describe the thought. How fortunate that the ‘Creative Source’ used these souls to give us a glimpse into the spiritual principles underlying the physical universe. The unfortunate aspect of religious development is the dark forces used individuals inclined to subordinate the masses through fear to manipulate them through the ‘power trip’ of the dark force agenda.

The lesson of each philosophical leader was not to establish a religion but to give an example of how to live a life of serving his/her fellow mankind. It is through serving others that we grow spiritually. A study in the messages each of the spiritual leaders left behind does show a oneness of purpose to life.

Yes, DB, Shariah does set the bar high. Still, it is no different than the teaching of Jesus except in the idea of forgiveness. Only in that context is Christianity enhanced.

conjure

Your words are light and balance in the darkness of the Disqus comments sections. I am grateful to find another aspirant on the Path.

EDD

Thanks for the compliment. I suppose I said just enough for another seeker to recognize the continuity of a spiritual path regardless of whatever religious pursuit a person is engaged in.

You are probably aware of one of the more benevolent rulers in history and his dedication to religious tolerance. I am referring to Akbar the Great.

Akbar wrote: “As most men are fettered by bonds of tradition, and by
imitating ways followed by their fathers… everyone continues, without
investigating their arguments and reasons, to follow the religion in
which he was born and educated, thus excluding himself from the
possibility of ascertaining the truth, which is the noblest aim of the
human intellect. Therefore we associate at convenient seasons with
learned men of all religions, thus deriving profit from their exquisite
discourses and exalted aspirations.” [Johnson, 208]

Another quote from this source: “Although his family was Sunni, two of his childhood tutors were Persian Shias. As an emperor, Akbar made the Sufi concept of Sulh-e-Kuhl, or “peace to all,” a founding principle of his law.”

These quotes and more about his life can be found at

This is just one example of those enlightened souls in their search for the reason of embodiment on earth. Note that he was raised Sunni but had empathy for those of other faiths including Christianity according to the article.

I am glad the DB staff does not shy away from exploring how the dark force utilizes supposed differences in dividing earth’s population. And how they debase the cultural traditions in the name of ‘tolerance’.

notinmyname

The first half is, I feel, utter tosh and complete bunkum. I really don’t know where to begin. Equal rights for women and men – let alone homosexual and transgender- under mahommedanism, of any brand! Sunni mahommedanism, “democratic, participative and peaceful”? Has the author bothered to read the evidence? When was the last time the author travelled in a mahommedan state? While I don’t doubt that the City and CIA alike are probably behind this fomenting of war for whatever reason, that does not change the essential nature of that which they seek to weaponise. The application of nuclear fission in weaponry, for example, is quite neutral as regards the physical charateristics and results of use. A chemical or physical reaction devised in a lab is similarly “neutral”, in itself, even when used in a missile. Clearly, what is not is the partiality of those who would use that technology: West versus East, USSR (as was) versus NATO, NATO, now, versus god-only-knows. Mahommedanism, as a faith, is similarly dangerous in unredacted form. Just ask the relatives of those killed at Bataclan – the details of which are only now beginning to emerge, having been suppressed by the French government.
Mahommedanism is only weapon, and this is where those that would seek to foment war using mahommedanism as the _causus belli_. Think of it like a technology; nuclear technology applied to weaponry. But just as I am bitterly opposed to nuclear armament _per se_, I am also opposed to mahommedanism _per se_.
I have never, ever, seen it bruited about, but I maintain that mahommedanism can only be defeated by theology. By that, I don’t mean debate between theologians, but that the unredacted texts are made unlawful. The most violent, anti-women, anti-LGBT parts must be redacted. Most sensible Christians, for example, would not think it unreasonable that the, rather violent and exclusive or partial teachings of the Old Testament be ignored. You may think me nuts for suggesting so, but that (making it unlawful) is the only tactic that hasn’t had a wide canvass.
The conclusions, in the latter half, on the other hand, I tend to agree with. And with the final paragraph, I am in wholehearted agreement.
Think of mahommedanism as a boomslang with migraine. I would, and do, advocate Luciferianism. Much more sensible.
Wake me up, by the way, please, when my wife can drive – unaccompanied – in Saudi.

Staff has spent extensive time in Oman and Yemen among other countries. We’re well aware of the overriding British interference throughout the Middle East as well as the propaganda that the West has been subjected to regarding “Muslims.”

It is the British initially that cultivated Islamic extremism and spread it throughout the Middle East..

In Indonesia women vote, in Oman alcohol is regularly consumed by “believers.” In “Islamic” countries homosexuals have relationships without being murdered. In some 20 Islamic countries same-sex relationships are legal. Adultery and prostitution occur without killings.

Meanwhile, as we’ve pointed out below, there are honor killings and women regularly set on fire in India but Hindus – members of the fourth largest religion in the US – are not being attacked by the mainstream media and individuals like yourself. That’s because it is Islam that is being manipulated by the powers-that-be and demonized.

The resentment is being fueled by what amounts to forced Islamic immigration, especially in Europe, and also under the supervision of Western powers.

Only about 1% of the US population is reportedly Islamic and there is a good deal of question as to whether ANY of the terrorist incidents in the US are entirely what they appear to be.

You are allowing yourself to be manipulated and reacting emotionally. Your reaction is exactly what is wished for.

Steve

The DB needs to read the Quran, Sunnah, Ahadith’s. You might just learn that your “visit” to Oman and Yemen are ill representatives of Islam. Try Saudi lately? Iraq lately? Afghanistan lately? I have.

Oman along with Jordan are pretty much Westernized. Though there are differences.

Please do some homework. Start with some websites. Religion of Peace, Jihadology, JihadWatch, Clarion Project, et.al.

Thank you for your thoughtful and considered reply. Remarkably, I agree, actually, with much of what you say.

There are some – like myself – that would say that British influence ought never have been given up in these, former colonial, areas. They have more claim to be legitimate spheres of British interest than, say, American interest. Curiously, you are precisely correct about the cultivation of mahommedan extremism going right back to the days of General Charles Gordon in the Sudan but the rise of extremism in wider locales is usually the result of British “cock-up”. The history books are littered with examples.

Let me give you one to illustrate the point: my own opinion is that had the UK not caved in to US pressure at the time of the Suez crisis, the whole problem in the Levant would never have arisen. The same procedure was repeated much more recently in Kuwait, Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybia and Syria. That would, presumably, because we were, as Tony Blair said, with [the US] – whatever!
I take your point entirely about women voting in Indonesia and the consumption of alcohol in Oman but I would be interested to know how representative of mahommedan cutures worldwide you believe these examples to be? And while same-sex relationships may well be permitted in some such countries, I suspect that the overwhelming number of countries with mahommedan administrations do not condone such behaviour.

As for suttee, or similar, and the exquisitely named “honour killings” (which, by definition must be anything but honourable) I would be the first to jump on the barricades to denounce such practices. We might include female genital mutilation and the circumcision of boys (for much the same reason) as well, by the way. It was the British administration in India that got rid of suttee in the mid-19th century, yet it is only last week that the UN could bring itself to desgrive FGM as child abuse. Times have moved on . . .

But let us shout from the rooftops, by all means.

Seriously, though, the examples you give to illustrate progressive mahommedanism are nugatory in the extreme.

Regarding your observation that “Islam is being manipulated by the powers-that-be and demonized,” I must beg to differ. I am quite sure that, as a faith – in the most general of terms – it is cabable and able to proselytize on its own without any help from the West. It seems to be doing a prety good job.

I concur with you, entirely, regarding forced immigration into Europe under the supervision of Western powers. I expect Mrs Merkel will pay a very high political price for her, in my opinion, misplaced, actions. Thank goodness, following the Brexit vote, we may succeed in putting a lid on it, and crossing the Channel between the UK and France is very different from island-hopping in Greece. Though I will not be holding my breath for a while.

Your readers might find it instructive to realize that the first post-war wave of immigration into Britain in the late 50s and early 60s has, since, proved to be generally successful. The West Indian community integrated and assimilated to the point where one of our most prominent Brexit campaigners was a black woman of West Indian origin. I cannot remember when last I heard of West Indian terrorism on the streets of London.

I cannot speak for terrorist incidents in the USA. Terrorism in the UK used to be the province (pardon the pun) of the IRA, and for most of my adult life I – like every Briton – had to live with that. That fact, alone, I think bears very careful consideration in light of what is being portrayed as ISIS-terrorism as there are a number of salient comparisons and parallels to be made and significant differences to be drawn. The most glaring one, of course, is that the IRA had a stated aim, viz. the reuniufication of the island of Ireland. The stated aim of ISIS-inspired terrorism is very nebulous. Probably, quite deliberately, if your thesis is true. A second (maybe) salient factor is that subsequent inquiries and information later come to light have shown beyond doubt that the principals _on both_ sides were in cahoots. I have utterly no doubt that the principals in the current action are colluding all the way to the bank.

For that reason, alone, you are probably “right on the money” as we say. But comparison of IRA/ISIS terrorism is always instructive: I would encourage your readers to look for parallels.

As for reacting emotionally and allowing myself to be manipulated, I must allow for preternatural perspicuity on your part as we have never met.

In turn, let us thank you as well for a thoughtful reply – of the sort which, unfortunately, has not always been evident on this thread.

Me_Again

“It is the British initially that cultivated Islamic extremism and spread it throughout the Middle East.”
Blame the Brits time now is it…
Applying Hitchen’s razor, what can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

May I ask is it Christopher or Peter to whom you refer? (Both wholly admirable, in my estimation.) Your wider readership on the DB making a critique of mohammedanism would find Peter Hitchen’s more recent thoughts (try youtube) encouraging. I always find him very bracing.

bionic mosquito

DB, you have much more patience than I could ever show.

What a miserable discussion, led by feedbackers who are willingly blind to how easily they are manipulated while at the same time calling for the deaths of billions. You can’t even see that 2+2=4.

They don’t hate you for your freedom – you don’t have freedom and you don’t even know it. Perhaps they hate you for your stupidity.

I agree with the DB’s conclusion in general, however, I don’t understand why Gingrich’s/Trump’s proposal to screen all Muslim’s for their beliefs is such a bad idea.

To me it is the most humane response to what’s happening. After all, something must be done. Baring the inability to fire the entire “Deep State” what else makes any sense? Regardless of what has created the radical jihadists they do exist and will continue to terrorize the US and Western world as much as they can. At least by keeping radicals out of the US they won’t be able to terrorize this country. Europe can deal with their problem however they want.

After all, wouldn’t the official reason for escalating military activity in the ME be to stop terrorism here in the US? Stopping them “at our borders” would be a lot more effective and humane than killing wholesale numbers in the ME just to kill the relatively few who are radicalized.

To continue to admit virtually everyone who wants to emigrate to the US regardless of ideology is just suicidal, even for the “Deep State.”

Lynn Carroll

I wonder when we’ll hear about some the ex-prisoners of GITMO being allowed into the United States as a Gesture of goodwill to the Muslims?

Bruce C.

Something else occurred to me while reading this piece. It’s not so much to challenge the DB’s thesis that “the Deep State” – or whatever you want to call the vested interests in war – but to question why things are the way they are right now.

Assuming the “Deep State” exists and wants to continually incite wars and the growth of the MIC then why has the military become smaller and weaker both in potential and activity since Obama took office? Why were troops pulled out of Iraq? Why has Obama fired his most aggressive generals? Why didn’t Obama escalate the war against ISIS when so many in the US wanted him to? Why has Obama vetoed nearly every bill to repair or replace military equipment?

One answer could be that Obama really doesn’t like the military and he – as President – IS able to reject the desires of the Deep State, contrary to what some believe is even conceivable, let alone possible.

Unless it’s complete bs that the US military is relatively depleted, how and why did that happen?

Kingsley Beattie

Sharia is the “official” expression of the “eternally existing and valid words of Allah; as transmitted by an unusual human being, Mohammad, by the angel Gabriel. The fact that over 100 of the inoffensive early Meccan verses have been “abrogated” by the later rather “mean” Meccan verses received by Allah’s Messanger between 610 & 622CE; when he had become the very cruel and absolute leader of the Arabian tribes. Examples are Verses 3;28, 4:89, 5:51, 8:12, 8:38/39, 8:60, 9:29 and there are a lot more. One message declares Mo to be the “ideal human being” all believers should strive to imitate. History shows that Islam has been at war with the infidel world since Medina, where Mohammad, accompanied by his Aisha, his favourite wife whom he had married at age six and, had waited till she was nine to consummate the marriage, supervised the slaughter of some 700 Jewish males. He kept the wife of the Jewish leader for his own sexual use. The other females became slaves; along with male children who had not reached puberty. There are many other interesting reports of his behaviour. As a very old agnostic. who feels deep concern for the future of my grand chlldren, I will do what I can to protect their future against the imposition of any aspect of Sharia. I would support any organization that would make the promotion of the Islamic ideology a criminal offence. I regret that DB seems ready to endanger that future.

Why don’t we stop expanding this thread. It’s long enough and is growing balky.

S Johnson

DB says. I give.

Mdog

That’s silly. I don’t care what you believe. It’s when you start cutting heads of, and start slaughtering and raping That I have a problem. Besides, you either know very little of Islamic teaching, or you are a sympathizer. Islam is not a religion. If you studied it, you’d understand that.

I don’t mean to make waves on your blog. I’ve been a subscriber for years, and I just thought your journalistic standards were higher. I’m surprised.

CHESTY COOPER

I am feeling the same way these days. I have been a subscriber for many years. I had a post removed last night. I HAVE NEVE HAD A POST REMOVED FROM ANYWHERE.
I reposted above. Let’s see if DB has the true fortitude for honest debate.

Rollie

Censorship has been alive and well a the DB for some time, have you noticed how some contributing posters just disappear ? I will be surprised if this post survives.

Sure 150 replies and then censorship? We’ve been having trouble with the thread and disqus. It is too long.We suggest you wait for another article to launch further irate responses. Please wait to comment.

Lynn Carroll

The Muslim religion can be looked at more properly as the Islamic government. Just as Democrats are no longer Democrats but Socialist Progressives whose ideologies collide with our Constitution. To the so-called “Democrats,” government IS their religion.

Pilgrim

Sharia is incompatible with liberty.

This muslim vs that muslim vs the other muslim. Baloney. They all submit to these Koran commands:

• Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them(2:191)

• Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood (9:123)

• When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them (9:5)

• Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert to Islam or refuse to pay Jizya tax (9:29)

Now that is a very pertinent point! To which there is an appropriate defence for Christians but, as they say, I don’t have a dog in that particular fight.
I’m very new to The Daily Bell. I must say, I like it very much.

Kingsley Beattie

Religious beliefs are ideologies, not subject to proof or disproof. Islamism is a religious/political ideology that commands the faithful to impose Sharia on all the worlds infidels. Jihad is the expression of that duty. I would criminalize any belief system, religious or political, that mandates hatred of non-believers; and, mandates that those human beings who refuse the offer to convert are to be enslaved or killed. Islam “may” allow Zoroastrians/Jews/Christians to exist as submissive, and useful, Dhimmis. In effect it is semi-slavery where no Muslim can be charged for the abuse, or killing of the Dhimmi. YES the ideology is criminal and should be treated as such.

You can find plenty of examples of similar rhetoric in the Old Testament and Torah.

CHESTY COOPER

So you removed this comment last night. Why? Is it offensive?

Jews worldwide are not dealing death and destruction to thousands of their neighbors on an almost daily basis, nor are any Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, or Rastafarians, so your attempt to equate the Jews is specious. Are you an apologist for Islamic terror? As thousands around the world are sent to the grave by these modern day savages, you argue in vague academic terms to mitigate the reality of their barbarism. How vacuously intellectual of you

We’ve been having trouble with the length of the thread and Disqus. We’ve lost three of our own replies in fact and suggest you wait for another article to launch further irate responses. Anyway, we’re going to close the thread. There will be another article shortly. Please wait to comment.

We are at the moment all immersed in a fervently worshiped belief system called regulatory democracy which forces us at gunpoint to pay taxes and obey all kinds of laws, edicts and regulations. Anyone who refuses to obey, pay-up and submit will be fined and jailed. If they resist, they will be killed by agents of the regulatory democracy who themselves are rarely held accountable for their actions and who view us as an enemy to be exploited for the benefit of the ruling caste.

Can you explain how our present status is different from slavery and an improvement over Sharia? I would think that Americans right now have a much greater threat to their life, liberty and property than the distant specter of Sharia. In fact, I would argue that Sharia is just a boogie man to distract us from the sad reality of our rapidly dwindling liberty at the hands of our own government.

spdlf

If I didn’t have to sign in I would upvote this a thousand times.

There is a serious amount of anti-Islamic propaganda circulating in the alternative media.The trolls are out in force.

Its this kind of deliberate ignorance and indulgent xenophobia is what got our grandfathers into the senseless world wars of the 20th century. Apparently folks are content with glassing the entire middle east if you take a poll where I live. I don’t know what to say to these self described Christians, other than it’s attitudes like that is why I left the church. WWJD? Yes he would definitely commit nuclear holocaust. All I hear is how bad “those islamists” are but then conveniently forgetting the Christian West’s bodycount tops them all. And in one century alone. Quite a feat for such ‘peaceful’ Christians. Of course I will be told they weren’t true Christians or some such.

I don’t mean to pick on Christians though. I just mean to point out the hypocrisy in all cultures.They don’t put the ‘cult’ in culture for no reason..

Thanks. We were surprised by some of the comments. Very questionable to generalize about 1.5-2 billion people living in more than 50 nations. Especially when the US is far more warlike than any Islamic country we know of.

Bruce C.

The problem is that too many conflate the ideals of the US with the actions of its government. What makes the USA “exceptional” are its founding principles. Ironically, the fruits of that philosophy has both elevated the rest of the world but also provided a host for leeches to feast. As a result there is a conflicted country of its ideals and its history. Everybody seems to know that there is a discontinuity in play but it’s not clear what it is.

Webforager

Or, maybe, too many conflate the ideals of individual liberty with the US Constitution. It seems to me the discontinuity stems from the abrogation of the right of association. This is what incentivizes the leeches. So much for the first amendment.
If the notion of justice includes the right to exclude, then why can I not exclude these people from my life and go about my peaceful business without concern?

Bruce C.

“too many conflate the ideals of individual liberty with the US Constitution.”

Well, they may but they shouldn’t. Liberty is the freedom to act without government interference, and the US Constitution was designed to keep government in check precisely so it would not become intrusive, oppressive, regulatory, and tyrannical – thus to preserve liberty.

Webforager

Yes… that’s what we’ve been taught. But a piece of parchment cannot check humans. Only humans can check humans which becomes incredibly difficult, if not downright impossible, when obligation is forcefully imposed. Without the option to peacefully exit, value cannot be proven.

Lynn Carroll

RIGHT ON!!!

Lynn Carroll

We aren’t supposed to know what it is that’s wrong with us. It’s is the purpose of those pulling the strings to keep the average American fearful, nervous, and confused. This makes it so much easier to control the masses.

Lynn Carroll

True. All the major religions believe in peace. The Muslim religion is the only one that preaches hated of non-believers.

America doesn’t benefit. People benefit from individual arrangements with other people. If people want to make arrangements for Muslims to come to the US, they ought to be able to do so. That’s a common libertarian stance. Individuals ought to be able to determine who comes and goes, not government. The passport/visa system is less than 100 years old.

rahrog

If wishes were horses … A host country (in the real world) does not benefit from open borders unless the immigrants are bringing resources that the host country lacks. A lot of “common libertarian stances” are cotton candy clouds.

I just heard an interview with Mr Gingrich on the BBC this morning regarding the recent voting patterns of citizens following Brexit, Austrian presidential election, etc. etc. His remarkably frank admission was that “people are really p****d off [with politicians]”. It did have the ring of truth about it.
You know:- Mr Gingrich and his ilk might, actually, be getting the point!

william beeby

Very good and true article . Any extreme form of any religion is un_acceptable in any society . You could apply the same logic to extreme Judaism or Christianity not just Islam . Saudi Arabia is a truly ” Middle Ages ” religion and if any country in the middle east is guilty of being an appalling influence of Islam it is the royal house of Saud. America and Britain have upheld this barbaric monarchy since WW11 and are not l I Velcro change now .