Scientist, lawyer, musician and unapologetic nerd David Casimir joins the Rundmans for a fascinating conversation. Discussed: the effects of deliberate personal energy management, growing up with an artistic parent, and the mysterious altruism that motivates us to protect intellectual property.

Dr. Dawn Rundman is a developmental psychologist. Jonathan Rundman is a musician. They’re married. CREATIVITY DRILL is their podcast! Join the Rundmans as they hang out with cool guests and talk about life in the creative arts.