topic Re: Standalone Broadband in General Chathttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Standalone-Broadband/m-p/1520096#M240463
<P>You might need a phone line, but you don't need voice service which is really what people are objecting to.even if they don't realise it (the mistake CPs have made is to bundle line rental and voice service together as consumers see it as one and the same thing.)</P>
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<P>And Openreach have been trialling their SOGEA (aka naked DSL) for some time now</P>
<P><A style="font-family: inherit; background-color: #ffffff;" href="https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2017/12/openreachs-sogea-standalone-fibre-broadband-product-gets-3rd-trial.html" target="_blank">https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2017/12/openreachs-sogea-standalone-fibre-broadband-product-gets-3rd-trial.html</A></P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>Tue, 06 Mar 2018 10:59:41 GMTDaveyH2018-03-06T10:59:41ZStandalone Broadbandhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Standalone-Broadband/m-p/1520021#M240452
<P>who would prefer Broadband with no phone line ?</P>
<P>The latest ISPreview reader poll, which was conducted between 18th Jan and 1st Mar 2018, has suggested that the vast majority (75.1%) of respondents would rather have a truly standalone broadband connection than a bundle.</P>
<P><A href="https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2018/03/poll-finds-strong-desire-flexible-contracts-standalone-broadband.html" target="_blank">https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2018/03/poll-finds-strong-desire-flexible-contracts-standalone-broadband.html</A></P>
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<P>Yes i would <img class="lia-deferred-image lia-image-emoji" src="https://community.plus.net/html/images/emoticons/afro.gif" alt="Thumbs_Up" title="Thumbs_Up" /> ok it may cost a bit more but i pay for a phone i dont use</P>Tue, 06 Mar 2018 08:07:06 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Standalone-Broadband/m-p/1520021#M240452rongtw2018-03-06T08:07:06ZRe: Standalone Broadbandhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Standalone-Broadband/m-p/1520027#M240454
<P>The thing is unless you have fibre then you need that phone line of course for your broadband.&nbsp;</P>
<P>I cancelled my phone contract once I was on fibre and went over to the VoIP system but was then penalised in part by having my 'broadband only' charge bumped up by Plusnet in order to self compensate for their loss. A bit naughty I thought but what can you do?</P>
<P>Yes my monthly bills are smaller but no, I'm not happy at being obliged to pay more for my FTTP broadband as a result.</P>Tue, 06 Mar 2018 08:54:13 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Standalone-Broadband/m-p/1520027#M240454Minivanman2018-03-06T08:54:13ZRe: Standalone Broadbandhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Standalone-Broadband/m-p/1520060#M240458
<P>That would be a step in the right direction but.......</P>
<P>It's getting harder and harder to buy broadband alone without having to also buy the phone rental etc from the same company.</P>
<P>Never mind standalone broadband.</P>
<P>For the past couple of years things seem to be running backwards with rapidly rising prices and often being forced to buy packages with little real choice in the matter.</P>
<P>Not without incurring a financial penalty anyway.</P>Tue, 06 Mar 2018 09:41:19 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Standalone-Broadband/m-p/1520060#M240458billnotben2018-03-06T09:41:19ZRe: Standalone Broadbandhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Standalone-Broadband/m-p/1520084#M240460
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<P><EM>"Not without incurring a financial penalty anyway".</EM></P>
<P><SPAN>As did I, but lets watch as those prices rise as more go over to fibre and more ditch those telephone lines. They have to make their money up somehow I guess, but still.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>All a question of balance and fairness I guess, but with one side being able to call the shots........</SPAN></P>Tue, 06 Mar 2018 10:12:25 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Standalone-Broadband/m-p/1520084#M240460Minivanman2018-03-06T10:12:25ZRe: Standalone Broadbandhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Standalone-Broadband/m-p/1520096#M240463
<P>You might need a phone line, but you don't need voice service which is really what people are objecting to.even if they don't realise it (the mistake CPs have made is to bundle line rental and voice service together as consumers see it as one and the same thing.)</P>
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<P>And Openreach have been trialling their SOGEA (aka naked DSL) for some time now</P>
<P><A style="font-family: inherit; background-color: #ffffff;" href="https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2017/12/openreachs-sogea-standalone-fibre-broadband-product-gets-3rd-trial.html" target="_blank">https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2017/12/openreachs-sogea-standalone-fibre-broadband-product-gets-3rd-trial.html</A></P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>Tue, 06 Mar 2018 10:59:41 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Standalone-Broadband/m-p/1520096#M240463DaveyH2018-03-06T10:59:41ZRe: Standalone Broadbandhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Standalone-Broadband/m-p/1520119#M240464
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="27489"></LI-USER> wrote:<BR />
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<P><SPAN>As did I, but lets watch as those prices rise as more go over to fibre and more ditch those telephone lines.</SPAN></P>
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<P>Yeah but many folks can only get FTTC instead of FTTP and thus they still need those copper lines to carry their super speed dsl for their fibre speeds. Those phone lines aren't going to be replaced any time soon.</P>
<P>To be fair, i've been saying for several years i could live without a landline phone. The only time they have an advantage is when you need to ring an area code that isn't included in the mobile plans minutes but that is extremely rare. There's some months when the landline phone doesn't even get physically touched in this house (well not by me anyway).</P>
<P>I fail to see the point making people have a phone service they don't need just so that they can have a broadband signal on it. Line rental is also something i've never really understood, if you don't pay it, BT aren't going to come and take it away are they, in fact we should be charging them for having their fixings attached to our properties lol.</P>Tue, 06 Mar 2018 11:42:54 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Standalone-Broadband/m-p/1520119#M2404647up2018-03-06T11:42:54ZRe: Standalone Broadbandhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Standalone-Broadband/m-p/1520146#M240467
<P>The price for BB would go UP as most ISP use the line rental to&nbsp;subsidise the actual cost , it is said without the phone line price which is&nbsp;supposed to be used for&nbsp;maintenance and repair to the overhead lines , which have been in place for over 100 years&nbsp;obviously some have been replaced .</P>
<P>i moved to this house 20 years ago and had a new copper line fitted so my rental has paid for it several times over , and its never been repaired , so its just money for old rope , or cooper in this case <img class="lia-deferred-image lia-image-emoji" src="https://community.plus.net/html/images/emoticons/wink.gif" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /></P>
<P>Would be interesting to find out how Much BT/OR actually spend on line&nbsp;maintenance compared to income generated ?</P>Tue, 06 Mar 2018 12:36:39 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Standalone-Broadband/m-p/1520146#M240467rongtw2018-03-06T12:36:39ZRe: Standalone Broadbandhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Standalone-Broadband/m-p/1520166#M240468
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<P>i moved to this house 20 years ago and had a new copper line fitted so my rental has paid for it several times over , and its never been repaired , so its just money for old rope , or cooper in this case <img class="lia-deferred-image lia-image-emoji" src="https://community.plus.net/html/images/emoticons/wink.gif" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /><SPAN style="font-family: inherit; color: #494c4f;">&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN style="font-family: inherit; color: #494c4f;">It's not just the cooper that feeds you though is it?!</SPAN></P>
<P>The exchange and the equipment within doesn't look after and pay for itself, cost of network upgrades, the ongoing costs of installing, maintaining and powering all those FTTC cabs and G.fast pods, and on and on and on.</P>
<P><SPAN style="font-family: inherit;">And let's not forget the wholesale line rental costs have actually been falling, whilst the retail prices have been going up, so it's the ISPs you should really be pointing your finger at for using line rental to make up for loss of call revenue and to subsidise broadband and all the ridiculous new customer offers...</SPAN></P>Tue, 06 Mar 2018 13:19:09 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Standalone-Broadband/m-p/1520166#M240468DaveyH2018-03-06T13:19:09ZRe: Standalone Broadbandhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Standalone-Broadband/m-p/1520189#M240469
<P><LI-USER uid="19907"></LI-USER> while i agree with what you say , if you took at it as two&nbsp;separate lines&nbsp; phone and BB .</P>
<P>yes BB has had a lot of upgrades and in need of drastic&nbsp;infrastructure upgrades&nbsp; to bring it up to date&nbsp; , but the phone system is&nbsp;requesting a minimal&nbsp;maintenance , and its that what needs seperating from the BB cost&nbsp;</P>Tue, 06 Mar 2018 13:49:51 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Standalone-Broadband/m-p/1520189#M240469rongtw2018-03-06T13:49:51ZRe: Standalone Broadbandhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Standalone-Broadband/m-p/1520201#M240470
<P>I do wish those who like to moan about having to pay for line rental would just focus on the total cost rather than the different elements of the charge. For around £20 a month you get access to the whole world of the internet:</P>
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<LI>Seemingly endless forums on which you can express whatever bizarre views and opinions you have,</LI>
<LI>An almost infinite number of cat videos, and video from Russian dashcams,</LI>
<LI>The ability to send written messages at enormous speed, without even having to cough up the cost of a stamp or disrupt your watching of cat videos by having to go out in the cold,</LI>
<LI>The facility to avoid your local supermarket and get them to bring you whatever you want (within reason), with the added entertainment value of finding they have sent you a rubber duck as a substitute for a small tin of tuna,</LI>
<LI>Access to an unbelievably extensive selection of movies and tv programmes, and even the opportunity to avoid paying for them, and</LI>
<LI>If you are Plusnet customer, all those hours of listening to a selection of popular music completely free of charge while you are waiting to get through to Plusnet’s customer services.</LI>
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<P>Now, if that isn’t good value, I don’t know what is. And if you want, you can even pay a bit extra for FTTC and you can do all the above even quicker. (Except the last one.)</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>Tue, 06 Mar 2018 14:20:50 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Standalone-Broadband/m-p/1520201#M240470Anonymous2018-03-06T14:20:50ZRe: Standalone Broadbandhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Standalone-Broadband/m-p/1520203#M240471
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<P>Still need that copper cable for FTTC but that would only be as far as the nearest cabinet or node I'm thinking therefore you could still ditch that phone as you are only suspending it's use for your number back to the exchange? Have to get my thinking cap on I think..... unless others know different.&nbsp;<img class="lia-deferred-image lia-image-emoji" src="https://community.plus.net/html/images/emoticons/smiley.gif" alt="Smiley" title="Smiley" /> &nbsp;</P>Tue, 06 Mar 2018 14:18:13 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Standalone-Broadband/m-p/1520203#M240471Minivanman2018-03-06T14:18:13ZRe: Standalone Broadbandhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Standalone-Broadband/m-p/1520207#M240472
<P>The majority of the cost is in providing and maintaining the phone line and associated equipment - not the phone service. When the stand alone BB product is introduced by OpenReach it is not expected to result in any significant savings.</P>
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<P>Can't tell you how FTTC works exactly but I do know that my line (when I had one) came from a cabinet supplied by TPON cabling.&nbsp;There was&nbsp;also&nbsp;test equipment installed in 2007 (which gave us a decent ADSL service). I assume the line from the cabinet to my house was copper.</P>
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<P>What I can tell you was the setup was incompatible with FTTC - I believe due to the TPON cabling.</P>
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<P>Brian</P>Tue, 06 Mar 2018 14:28:20 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Standalone-Broadband/m-p/1520207#M240472bmc2018-03-06T14:28:20ZRe: Standalone Broadbandhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Standalone-Broadband/m-p/1520224#M240474
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="27489"></LI-USER> wrote:<BR />
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<P>Still need that copper cable for FTTC but that would only be as far as the nearest cabinet or node I'm thinking therefore you could still ditch that phone as you are only suspending it's use for your number back to the exchange? Have to get my thinking cap on I think..... unless others know different.&nbsp;<img class="lia-deferred-image lia-image-emoji" src="https://community.plus.net/html/images/emoticons/smiley.gif" alt="Smiley" title="Smiley" /> &nbsp;</P>
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<P>I've already mentioned above Openreach have been trialling SOGEA. That's precisely what that is, FTTC without voice service...</P>Tue, 06 Mar 2018 14:56:40 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Standalone-Broadband/m-p/1520224#M240474DaveyH2018-03-06T14:56:40ZRe: Standalone Broadbandhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Standalone-Broadband/m-p/1520257#M240478
<P><LI-USER uid="22648"></LI-USER>&nbsp; You forgot one thing.... </P>
<P>You can send morse code over the internet and chat to people all over the world .. just the same as when it&nbsp; when the undersea cables were laid to our empire outposts. ! !&nbsp; ( the original internet ) .... <img class="lia-deferred-image lia-image-emoji" src="https://community.plus.net/html/images/emoticons/smiley.gif" alt="Smiley" title="Smiley" /></P>
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<P>How`s about that for real progress..... the "internet" is not as "new" as many people think..... <img class="lia-deferred-image lia-image-emoji" src="https://community.plus.net/html/images/emoticons/shocked.gif" alt="Shocked" title="Shocked" /></P>Tue, 06 Mar 2018 15:56:30 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Standalone-Broadband/m-p/1520257#M240478shutter2018-03-06T15:56:30ZRe: Standalone Broadbandhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Standalone-Broadband/m-p/1520281#M240481
<P><LI-USER uid="22648"></LI-USER>&nbsp;I do wish people would stop moaning about cat videos&nbsp;<img class="lia-deferred-image lia-image-emoji" src="https://community.plus.net/html/images/emoticons/lipsrsealed.gif" alt="Lips_are_sealed" title="Lips_are_sealed" /></P>
<P>They're here to stay so accept it&nbsp;<img class="lia-deferred-image lia-image-emoji" src="https://community.plus.net/html/images/emoticons/wink.gif" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /></P>Tue, 06 Mar 2018 17:25:44 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Standalone-Broadband/m-p/1520281#M2404817up2018-03-06T17:25:44ZRe: Standalone Broadbandhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Standalone-Broadband/m-p/1520320#M240488
<P>Andrews &amp; Arnold (<A href="http://www.aaisp.net.uk" target="_blank">www.aaisp.net.uk</A>) offer a copper pair (aka "Naked DSL") for £10/month but charge quite a lot for their broadband services.</P>Tue, 06 Mar 2018 20:20:35 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Standalone-Broadband/m-p/1520320#M240488Jonpe2018-03-06T20:20:35ZRe: Standalone Broadbandhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Standalone-Broadband/m-p/1520354#M240493
<P>Yes there's little point if the standalone service costs more than many many combined phone/broadband services.</P>Tue, 06 Mar 2018 22:42:34 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Standalone-Broadband/m-p/1520354#M240493billnotben2018-03-06T22:42:34ZRe: Standalone Broadbandhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Standalone-Broadband/m-p/1520365#M240495
<P>Yep, it's something they've concocted though, rather than true naked dsl</P>Tue, 06 Mar 2018 23:27:11 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Standalone-Broadband/m-p/1520365#M240495DaveyH2018-03-06T23:27:11ZRe: Standalone Broadbandhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Standalone-Broadband/m-p/1520370#M240499
<P>The sad part is, a lot of the telephone exchanges these days are basically big VoIP farms, as they're converting your POTS line from handset to exchange into a digital service that runs over fibre, basically making Openreach the middleman when you could have a little box by your router doing the same thing over fibre to the premises (which a lot of FTTP does anyway), so some of the line rental is going into a "by the short and curlies" VoIP service when it could be gotten cheaper elsewhere... <img class="lia-deferred-image lia-image-emoji" src="https://community.plus.net/html/images/emoticons/idiot2.gif" alt="Crazy2" title="Crazy2" /></P>
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<P>Gone are the days where the telephone line was copper from end to end, that said, that was gone in the 80s when they went from mechanical switching to PCM encoding to cram more "lines" into a pair to send across the world...</P>Wed, 07 Mar 2018 00:16:19 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Standalone-Broadband/m-p/1520370#M240499twocvbloke2018-03-07T00:16:19Z