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<div>''&quot;'''This is the day which the Lord hath made; let us rejoice and be glad in it.&quot;''' Psalm 118:24''<br />
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<div>The '''Christmas Truce''' was a miraculous and otherwise unexplained cessation of combat on or near [[Christmas Day]] on the [[Western Front]] during [[World War I]], in 1914, among combatants who would otherwise engage in some of the most brutal warfare in world history.<br />
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It was a spirit that swept the Western Front without authorization and direction, as men came out of their trenches and exchanged gifts and good will to the other side. Some even played games of soccer.<br />
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== See also ==<br />
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*[http://www.history.com/topics/christmas-truce-of-1914 History of Christmas Truce of 1914]<br />
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<div>'''Forced abortion in North Korea''' is common.<br />
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A report published in British newspaper ''[[The Times of London|The Times]]'' set forth how an explanation provided by a diplomat from the West, who had visited North Korea 19 times:<br />
{{cquote|It’s vital to recognize that '[[juche]]' -- the dogma of self-reliance -- is not a theory but a cult and that [the dictator of North Korea named] Kim is worshipped as the leader of a religion. These Koreans genuinely believe they are a master race and that the peninsula will be united under the rule of the Kim dynasty.}}<br />
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''The Times'' further explained:<br />
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{{cquote|Behind the facade of a Supreme People’s Assembly, a presidium, a cabinet and the [[Workers' Party of Korea|Korean Workers' Party]], North Korea operates as a one-man military dictatorship founded on clan rule, blood ties and deification of the leader. Kim is falsely said to have been born on the sacred slopes of Mount Paektu. This is used to legitimize behavior by agents of the state which human rights activists believe will one day form the basis of indictments for crimes against humanity.}}<br />
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These &quot;crimes against humanity&quot; include racially motivated abortion and [[infanticide]], particularly when the unborn or afterborn child has a parent with an ethnicity other than Korean.<br />
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About 200,000 North Koreans are imprisoned, and the women of childbearing age are repeatedly asked if they are pregnant. If so, then they are given injections to cause abortions. If the injections do not work or a women gives birth without the pregnancy being detected, then the women are required to kill their own infants.<br />
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A human rights investigator for the United States Committee for Human Rights in North Korea, David Hawk, called North Korean's practice &quot;ethnic infanticide,&quot; in a report on 2003 based on testimony from eight women who had observed or been subjected to it.<br />
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== Sources ==<br />
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*[http://www.religioustolerance.org/aboforcenk.htm Religious tolerance report on abortion in North Korea]<br />
*[http://www.christianliferesources.com/?news/view.php&amp;newsid=3487 Christian Life Resources]<br />
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[[Category:North Korea]]</div>Tajhttp://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Forced_abortion_in_North_Korea&diff=1066768Forced abortion in North Korea2013-09-15T21:18:19Z<p>Taj: </p>
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<div>'''Forced abortion in North Korea''' is common.<br />
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A report published in British newspaper ''[[The Times of London|The Times]]'' set forth how an explanation provided by a diplomat from the West, who had visited North Korea 19 times:<br />
{{cquote|It’s vital to recognize that '[[juche]]' -- the dogma of self-reliance -- is not a theory but a cult and that [the dictator of North Korea named] Kim is worshipped as the leader of a religion. These Koreans genuinely believe they are a master race and that the peninsula will be united under the rule of the Kim dynasty.}}<br />
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''The Times'' further explained:<br />
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{{cquote|Behind the facade of a Supreme People’s Assembly, a presidium, a cabinet and the [[Workers' Party of Korea|Korean Workers' Party]], North Korea operates as a one-man military dictatorship founded on clan rule, blood ties and deification of the leader. Kim is falsely said to have been born on the sacred slopes of Mount Paektu. This is used to legitimize behavior by agents of the state which human rights activists believe will one day form the basis of indictments for crimes against humanity.}}<br />
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These &quot;crimes against humanity&quot; include racially motivated abortion and infanticide, particularly when the unborn or afterborn child has a parent with an ethnicity other than Korean.<br />
<br />
About 200,000 North Koreans are imprisoned, and the women of childbearing age are repeatedly asked if they are pregnant. If so, then they are given injections to cause abortions. If the injections do not work or a women gives birth without the pregnancy being detected, then the women are required to kill their own infants.<br />
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A human rights investigator for the United States Committee for Human Rights in North Korea, David Hawk, called North Korean's practice &quot;ethnic infanticide,&quot; in a report on 2003 based on testimony from eight women who had observed or been subjected to it.<br />
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== Sources ==<br />
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*[http://www.religioustolerance.org/aboforcenk.htm Religious tolerance report on abortion in North Korea]<br />
*[http://www.christianliferesources.com/?news/view.php&amp;newsid=3487 Christian Life Resources]<br />
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[[Category:North Korea]]</div>Tajhttp://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Workers%27_Party_of_Korea&diff=1066766Workers' Party of Korea2013-09-15T21:15:40Z<p>Taj: adding category</p>
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<div>The '''Workers' Party of Korea''' (WPK) is a political [[Communism|communist]] party in [[North Korea]] which was founded in 1949. There are two other parties the ''Korean Social Democratic Party'' and the ''Chondoist Chongu Party''. Those parties are supporting the Workers` Party of Korea. The WPK is not a [[Marxism-Leninism|marxist-leninist]] party. It supports the [[Juche]]-Ideology of the former dictator [[Kim Il-sung]]. The son of Kim Il-Sung [[Kim Jong-Il]] was from 1994 to his death 2011 the authoritarian leader of North Korea. Now his son [[Kim Jong-un]] rules the country. <br />
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<div>'''Forced abortion in North Korea''' is common.<br />
<br />
A report published in British newspaper ''The Times'' set forth how an explanation provided by a diplomat from the West, who had visited North Korea 19 times:<br />
{{cquote|It’s vital to recognize that 'juche' -- the dogma of self-reliance -- is not a theory but a cult and that [the dictator of North Korea named] Kim is worshipped as the leader of a religion. These Koreans genuinely believe they are a master race and that the peninsula will be united under the rule of the Kim dynasty.}}<br />
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''The Times'' further explained:<br />
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{{cquote|Behind the facade of a Supreme People’s Assembly, a presidium, a cabinet and the Korean Workers' party, North Korea operates as a one-man military dictatorship founded on clan rule, blood ties and deification of the leader. Kim is falsely said to have been born on the sacred slopes of Mount Paektu. This is used to legitimize behavior by agents of the state which human rights activists believe will one day form the basis of indictments for crimes against humanity.}}<br />
<br />
These &quot;crimes against humanity&quot; include racially motivated abortion and infanticide, particularly when the unborn or afterborn child has a parent with an ethnicity other than Korean.<br />
<br />
About 200,000 North Koreans are imprisoned, and the women of childbearing age are repeatedly asked if they are pregnant. If so, then they are given injections to cause abortions. If the injections do not work or a women gives birth without the pregnancy being detected, then the women are required to kill their own infants.<br />
<br />
A human rights investigator for the United States Committee for Human Rights in North Korea, David Hawk, called North Korean's practice &quot;ethnic infanticide,&quot; in a report on 2003 based on testimony from eight women who had observed or been subjected to it.<br />
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== Sources ==<br />
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*[http://www.religioustolerance.org/aboforcenk.htm Religious tolerance report on abortion in North Korea]<br />
*[http://www.christianliferesources.com/?news/view.php&amp;newsid=3487 Christian Life Resources]<br />
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'''Indiana''' was the nineteenth state to enter the union. Nicknamed &quot;The Hoosier State&quot;, is encompasses a geographical area of 36,291 square miles (38th in size among United States), and has a population of 6,195,643, according to a 2003 census. Its capital and largest city is [[Indianapolis]]. Indiana is bordered by [[Ohio]], [[Kentucky]], [[Illinois]], and [[Michigan]].<br />
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Indiana is recognized as the 'Limestone capital of the world' with more [[limestone]] quarried from the state than anywhere else in the world.<br />
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==Elected Officials==<br />
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===Federal===<br />
*Sen. [[Richard Lugar]] (R)<br />
*Sen. [[Dan Coats]] (R)<br />
*Rep. [[Pete Visclosky]] [D, IN-1]<br />
*Rep. [[Joe Donnelly]] [D, IN-02]<br />
*Rep. [[Marlin Stutzman]] [R, IN-03]<br />
*Rep. [[Todd Rokita]] [R, IN-04]<br />
*Rep. [[Dan Burton]] [R, IN-05]<br />
*Rep. [[Mike Pence]] [R, IN-06]<br />
*Rep. [[Andre Carson]] [D, IN-07]<br />
*Rep. [[Larry Bucshon]] [R, IN-08]<br />
*Rep. [[Todd Young]] [R, IN-09]<br />
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===Statewide===<br />
*Governor [[Mike Pence]] (R)<br />
*Lt. Governor Sue Ellspermann <br />
*Attorney General [[Greg Zoeller]] (R)<br />
*Secretary of State Connie Lawson <br />
*State Auditor Dwayne Sawyer<br />
*State Treasurer [[Richard Mourdock]] (R)<br />
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==Notable people from Indiana==<br />
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* Hoagy Carmichael, Songwriter<br />
* Jim Davis, Creator of Garfield the Cat<br />
* Eugene V Debs, 5-timr Socialist presidential candidate was based in terre Haute<br />
* Orville Redenbacher, [[Popcorn]] Magnate<br />
* Steve McQueen, Actor<br />
* James Dean, Actor<br />
* Karl Malden, Actor<br />
* Kurt Vonnegut, Novelist<br />
* Lew Wallace, Civil War General, Author ( Ben Hur )<br />
* Wendell Willkie, GOP presidential candidate 1940.<br />
* Alfred Kinsey, Sexual behavior researcher was based at Indiana University, Bloomington<br />
*Senator [[Evan Bayh]], also a former governer; he is the son of former Senator Birch Bayh<br />
*[[Astronaut]] Gus Grissom was born in Mitchell.<br />
*Former President [[Benjamin Harrison]] lived in Indianapolis and represented Indiana as a Senator.<br />
*[[William Henry Harrison]], a former President and the grandfather of Benjamin Harrison, was the first governor of Indiana territory.<br />
*Singer [[Michael Jackson]] is from Gary.<br />
*Comedian David Letterman was born in Indianapolis.<br />
*[[Mike Pence]] is a current [[Republican Party|Republican]] member of the [[United States House of Representatives|US House of Representatives]] from Indiana and has been mentioned a possible candidate for the presidency.<br />
*Former [[Vice President of the United States of America|Vice President]] [[Dan Quayle]] was born in Indianapolis and represented the states in the House and Senate.<br />
*Harland David Sanders (also known as Colonel Sanders), founder of [[Kentucky Fried Chicken]], was born in Henryville.<br />
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==External links==<br />
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* [http://www.in.gov/ Official State of Indiana site]<br />
* [http://www.h-net.org/~indiana/ H-Indiana], a daily e-mail-based discussion list sponsored by the Indiana Historical Society and H-Net, and edited by experts. The list commissionms reviews of newe books and brings together academics, history professionals, activists in local historical societies and anyone interested in the state's history to exchange ideas and foster discussion on Indiana's history and culture. They communicate current research and research interests; discuss new articles, books, papers, methods, and tools of analysis; and announce upcoming conferences and events related to Indiana history. Subscriptions are free, and the complete logs of back issues are available online from its founding in February 1998.<br />
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==Bibliography==<br />
===Surveys===<br />
* Boomhower, Ray E.; Jones, Darryl, photog. ''Destination Indiana: Travels through Hoosier History.''2000. 203 pp. <br />
* Gray, Ralph D., comp., ed. ''Indiana History: A Book of Readings.'' 1995. 442 pp. articles by scholars<br />
* Madison, James H. ''The Indiana Way: A State History'' (1990) [http://www.amazon.com/Indiana-Way-State-History/dp/025320609X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1196643233&amp;sr=1-1 excerpt and text search]<br />
* Peckham, Howard H. ''Indiana: A History'' (2003) [http://www.amazon.com/Indiana-HISTORY-Howard-H-Peckham/dp/0252071468/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1196643431&amp;sr=1-13 excerpt and text search]<br />
* Reese, William J. ''Hoosier Schools: Past and Present'' (1998) [http://www.amazon.com/Hoosier-Schools-Present-Midwestern-History/dp/0253211549/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1196643233&amp;sr=1-7 excerpt and text search] <br />
* Rudolph, L. C. ''Hoosier Faiths: A History of Indiana's Churches and Religious Groups.'' 1995. 710 pp. <br />
* Skertic, Mark, and John J. Watkins. ''A Native's Guide to Northwest Indiana'' (2003) [http://www.amazon.com/Natives-Guide-Northwest-Indiana/dp/1893121089/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1196643207&amp;sr=1-1 excerpt and text search]<br />
* Taylor, Robert M., Jr. and McBirney, Connie A., ed. ''Peopling Indiana: The Ethnic Experience.'' 1996. 703 pp. covers every major ethnic group<br />
* Taylor, Robert M. ed. ''The State of Indiana History 2000: Papers Presented at the Indiana Historical Society's Grand Opening'' (2001) [http://www.amazon.com/State-Indiana-History-2000-Historical/dp/0871951533/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1196643233&amp;sr=1-3 excerpt and text search]<br />
* Vanausdall, Jeanette. ''Pride and Protest: The Novel in Indiana.'' 1999. 169 pp. <br />
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===Pre 1880===<br />
* Bigham, Darrel E., ed. ''The Indiana Territory, 1800-2000: A Bicentennial Perspective.'' 2001. 196 pp. <br />
* Buley, R. Carlyle.<br />
* Carmony, Donald Francis. ''Indiana, 1816 to 1850: The Pioneer Era'' (1998), 924 pp [http://www.amazon.com/Indiana-1816-1850-Pioneer-History/dp/0871951258/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1196643157&amp;sr=1-1 excerpt and text search], standard scholarly history<br />
* Cayton, Andrew R. L. ''Frontier Indiana.'' 1996. 340 pp. , standard scholarly history<br />
* Giffin, William W. ''The Irish: Peopling Indiana.'' 2006. 127 pp. <br />
* Kellar, James H. ''Introduction to the Prehistory of Indiana'' (1983) [http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Prehistory-Indiana-James-Kellar/dp/0871950448/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1196643233&amp;sr=1-12 excerpt and text search] <br />
* Mills, Randy K. ''Jonathan Jennings: Indiana's First Governor.'' 2005. 259 pp. <br />
* Simons, Richard S. and Parker, Francis H., ed. ''Railroads of Indiana.'' 1997. 297 pp. <br />
* Stampp, Kenneth M. ''Indiana Politics during the Civil War'' )1949) [http://www.questia.com/read/3782996 online edition]<br />
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===Since 1880===<br />
* Barrows, Robert G. ''Albion Fellows Bacon: Indiana's Municipal Housekeeper.'' 2000. 229 pp. <br />
* Fadely, James Philip. ''Thomas Taggart: Public Servant, Political Boss, 1856-1929.'' 1997. 267 pp. <br />
* Madison, James H. ''Indiana through Tradition and Change: A History of the Hoosier State and Its People, 1920-1945'' (1982) [http://www.amazon.com/Indiana-through-Tradition-Change-Historical/dp/0871950421/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1196643233&amp;sr=1-10 excerpt and text search], , standard scholarly history<br />
* Phillips, Clifton J. ''Indiana in Transition: The Emergence of an Industrial Commonwealth, 1880-1920'' (1968), standard scholarly history<br />
* Rund, Christopher. ''The Indiana Rail Road Company: America's New Regional Railroad.'' 2006. 254 pp. <br />
* Thornbrough, Emma Lou. ''Indiana Blacks in the Twentieth Century.'' Indiana U. Press, 2000. 287 pp. <br />
* Whitford, Frederick and Martin, Andrew G. ''The Grand Old Man of Purdue University and Indiana Agriculture: A Biography of William Carroll Latta.'' Purdue U. Press, 2005. 385 pp. <br />
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===Primary sources===<br />
* Bowen, Otis R. and DuBois, William, Jr. ''Doc: Memories from a Life in Public Service.'' 2000. 232 pp. Bowen was Governor 1972-80<br />
* Streightoff, Frances Doan. ''Indiana: A Social and Economic Survey'' (1916) [http://books.google.com/books?id=PuJCAAAAIAAJ&amp;pg=PA252&amp;dq=intitle:social+intitle:survey+date:1900-1923&amp;num=30&amp;as_brr=1#PPA2,M1 full text online]<br />
* Taylor, ed. Robert M. ''Indiana: A New Historical Guide'' (1990), highly detailed guide to citiies and recent history<br />
* WPA Indiana Writer's Project. ''Indiana: A Guide To The Hoosier State: American Guide Series'' (1941), famous WPA Guide to every location; strong on history, architecture and culture; reprinted 1973; [http://www.questia.com/read/99249272 online edition]<br />
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|language=English<br />
|governor=Mike Pence<br />
|gparty=Republican<br />
|senator2=Dan Coats<br />
|s2party=Republican<br />
|s2phone=(202) 224-5623<br />
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|senator1=Joe Donnelly<br />
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'''Indiana''' was the nineteenth state to enter the union. Nicknamed &quot;The Hoosier State&quot;, is encompasses a geographical area of 36,291 square miles (38th in size among United States), and has a population of 6,195,643, according to a 2003 census. Its capital and largest city is [[Indianapolis]]. Indiana is bordered by [[Ohio]], [[Kentucky]], [[Illinois]], and [[Michigan]].<br />
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Indiana is recognized as the 'Limestone capital of the world' with more [[limestone]] quarried from the state than anywhere else in the world.<br />
<br />
==Elected Officials==<br />
<br />
===Federal===<br />
*Sen. [[Richard Lugar]] (R)<br />
*Sen. [[Dan Coats]] (R)<br />
*Rep. [[Pete Visclosky]] [D, IN-1]<br />
*Rep. [[Joe Donnelly]] [D, IN-02]<br />
*Rep. [[Marlin Stutzman]] [R, IN-03]<br />
*Rep. [[Todd Rokita]] [R, IN-04]<br />
*Rep. [[Dan Burton]] [R, IN-05]<br />
*Rep. [[Mike Pence]] [R, IN-06]<br />
*Rep. [[Andre Carson]] [D, IN-07]<br />
*Rep. [[Larry Bucshon]] [R, IN-08]<br />
*Rep. [[Todd Young]] [R, IN-09]<br />
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===Statewide===<br />
*Governor [[Mike Pence]] (R)<br />
*Lt. Governor Sue Ellspermann <br />
*Attorney General [[Greg Zoeller]] (R)<br />
*Secretary of State Connie Lawson <br />
*State Auditor Dwayne Sawyer<br />
*State Treasurer [[Richard Mourdock]] (R)<br />
<br />
==Notable people from Indiana==<br />
<br />
* Hoagy Carmichael, Songwriter<br />
* Jim Davis, Creator of Garfield the Cat<br />
* Eugene V Debs, 5-timr Socialist presidential candidate was based in terre Haute<br />
* Orville Redenbacher, [[Popcorn]] Magnate<br />
* Steve McQueen, Actor<br />
* James Dean, Actor<br />
* Karl Malden, Actor<br />
* Kurt Vonnegut, Novelist<br />
* Lew Wallace, Civil War General, Author ( Ben Hur )<br />
* Wendell Willkie, GOP presidential candidate 1940.<br />
* Alfred Kinsey, Sexual behavior researcher was based at Indiana University, Bloomington<br />
*Senator [[Evan Bayh]], also a former governer; he is the son of former Senator Birch Bayh<br />
*[[Astronaut]] Gus Grissom was born in Mitchell.<br />
*Former President [[Benjamin Harrison]] lived in Indianapolis and represented Indiana as a Senator.<br />
*[[William Henry Harrison]], a former President and the grandfather of Benjamin Harrison, was the first governor of Indiana territory.<br />
*Singer [[Michael Jackson]] is from Gary.<br />
*Comedian David Letterman was born in Indianapolis.<br />
*[[Mike Pence]] is a current [[Republican Party|Republican]] member of the [[United States House of Representatives|US House of Representatives]] from Indiana and has been mentioned a possible candidate for the presidency.<br />
*Former [[Vice President of the United States of America|Vice President]] [[Dan Quayle]] was born in Indianapolis and represented the states in the House and Senate.<br />
*Harland David Sanders (also known as Colonel Sanders), founder of [[Kentucky Fried Chicken]], was born in Henryville.<br />
<br />
==External links==<br />
* [http://www.h-net.org/~indiana/ H-Indiana], a daily e-mail-based discussion list sponsored by the Indiana Historical Society and H-Net, and edited by experts. The list commissionms reviews of newe books and brings together academics, history professionals, activists in local historical societies and anyone interested in the state's history to exchange ideas and foster discussion on Indiana's history and culture. They communicate current research and research interests; discuss new articles, books, papers, methods, and tools of analysis; and announce upcoming conferences and events related to Indiana history. Subscriptions are free, and the complete logs of back issues are available online from its founding in February 1998.<br />
<br />
==Bibliography==<br />
===Surveys===<br />
* Boomhower, Ray E.; Jones, Darryl, photog. ''Destination Indiana: Travels through Hoosier History.''2000. 203 pp. <br />
* Gray, Ralph D., comp., ed. ''Indiana History: A Book of Readings.'' 1995. 442 pp. articles by scholars<br />
* Madison, James H. ''The Indiana Way: A State History'' (1990) [http://www.amazon.com/Indiana-Way-State-History/dp/025320609X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1196643233&amp;sr=1-1 excerpt and text search]<br />
* Peckham, Howard H. ''Indiana: A History'' (2003) [http://www.amazon.com/Indiana-HISTORY-Howard-H-Peckham/dp/0252071468/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1196643431&amp;sr=1-13 excerpt and text search]<br />
* Reese, William J. ''Hoosier Schools: Past and Present'' (1998) [http://www.amazon.com/Hoosier-Schools-Present-Midwestern-History/dp/0253211549/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1196643233&amp;sr=1-7 excerpt and text search] <br />
* Rudolph, L. C. ''Hoosier Faiths: A History of Indiana's Churches and Religious Groups.'' 1995. 710 pp. <br />
* Skertic, Mark, and John J. Watkins. ''A Native's Guide to Northwest Indiana'' (2003) [http://www.amazon.com/Natives-Guide-Northwest-Indiana/dp/1893121089/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1196643207&amp;sr=1-1 excerpt and text search]<br />
* Taylor, Robert M., Jr. and McBirney, Connie A., ed. ''Peopling Indiana: The Ethnic Experience.'' 1996. 703 pp. covers every major ethnic group<br />
* Taylor, Robert M. ed. ''The State of Indiana History 2000: Papers Presented at the Indiana Historical Society's Grand Opening'' (2001) [http://www.amazon.com/State-Indiana-History-2000-Historical/dp/0871951533/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1196643233&amp;sr=1-3 excerpt and text search]<br />
* Vanausdall, Jeanette. ''Pride and Protest: The Novel in Indiana.'' 1999. 169 pp. <br />
<br />
===Pre 1880===<br />
* Bigham, Darrel E., ed. ''The Indiana Territory, 1800-2000: A Bicentennial Perspective.'' 2001. 196 pp. <br />
* Buley, R. Carlyle.<br />
* Carmony, Donald Francis. ''Indiana, 1816 to 1850: The Pioneer Era'' (1998), 924 pp [http://www.amazon.com/Indiana-1816-1850-Pioneer-History/dp/0871951258/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1196643157&amp;sr=1-1 excerpt and text search], standard scholarly history<br />
* Cayton, Andrew R. L. ''Frontier Indiana.'' 1996. 340 pp. , standard scholarly history<br />
* Giffin, William W. ''The Irish: Peopling Indiana.'' 2006. 127 pp. <br />
* Kellar, James H. ''Introduction to the Prehistory of Indiana'' (1983) [http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Prehistory-Indiana-James-Kellar/dp/0871950448/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1196643233&amp;sr=1-12 excerpt and text search] <br />
* Mills, Randy K. ''Jonathan Jennings: Indiana's First Governor.'' 2005. 259 pp. <br />
* Simons, Richard S. and Parker, Francis H., ed. ''Railroads of Indiana.'' 1997. 297 pp. <br />
* Stampp, Kenneth M. ''Indiana Politics during the Civil War'' )1949) [http://www.questia.com/read/3782996 online edition]<br />
<br />
===Since 1880===<br />
* Barrows, Robert G. ''Albion Fellows Bacon: Indiana's Municipal Housekeeper.'' 2000. 229 pp. <br />
* Fadely, James Philip. ''Thomas Taggart: Public Servant, Political Boss, 1856-1929.'' 1997. 267 pp. <br />
* Madison, James H. ''Indiana through Tradition and Change: A History of the Hoosier State and Its People, 1920-1945'' (1982) [http://www.amazon.com/Indiana-through-Tradition-Change-Historical/dp/0871950421/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1196643233&amp;sr=1-10 excerpt and text search], , standard scholarly history<br />
* Phillips, Clifton J. ''Indiana in Transition: The Emergence of an Industrial Commonwealth, 1880-1920'' (1968), standard scholarly history<br />
* Rund, Christopher. ''The Indiana Rail Road Company: America's New Regional Railroad.'' 2006. 254 pp. <br />
* Thornbrough, Emma Lou. ''Indiana Blacks in the Twentieth Century.'' Indiana U. Press, 2000. 287 pp. <br />
* Whitford, Frederick and Martin, Andrew G. ''The Grand Old Man of Purdue University and Indiana Agriculture: A Biography of William Carroll Latta.'' Purdue U. Press, 2005. 385 pp. <br />
<br />
<br />
===Primary sources===<br />
* Bowen, Otis R. and DuBois, William, Jr. ''Doc: Memories from a Life in Public Service.'' 2000. 232 pp. Bowen was Governor 1972-80<br />
* Streightoff, Frances Doan. ''Indiana: A Social and Economic Survey'' (1916) [http://books.google.com/books?id=PuJCAAAAIAAJ&amp;pg=PA252&amp;dq=intitle:social+intitle:survey+date:1900-1923&amp;num=30&amp;as_brr=1#PPA2,M1 full text online]<br />
* Taylor, ed. Robert M. ''Indiana: A New Historical Guide'' (1990), highly detailed guide to citiies and recent history<br />
* WPA Indiana Writer's Project. ''Indiana: A Guide To The Hoosier State: American Guide Series'' (1941), famous WPA Guide to every location; strong on history, architecture and culture; reprinted 1973; [http://www.questia.com/read/99249272 online edition]<br />
<br />
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|name=Indiana<br />
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|motto=&quot;The Crossroads of America&quot;<br />
|nick=[[Crossroads of America]]<br />
|capital=Indianapolis<br />
|language=English<br />
|governor=Mike Pence<br />
|gparty=Republican<br />
|senator2=Dan Coats<br />
|s2party=Republican<br />
|s2phone=(202) 224-5623<br />
|s2email=http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/senators/one_item_and_teasers/Coats_Daniel.htm Contact<br />
|senator1=Joe Donnelly<br />
|s1party=Democrat<br />
|s1phone=(202) (202) 224-4814<br />
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'''Indiana''' was the nineteenth state to enter the union. Nicknamed &quot;The Hoosier State&quot;, is encompasses a geographical area of 36,291 square miles (38th in size among United States), and has a population of 6,195,643, according to a 2003 census. Its capital and largest city is [[Indianapolis]]. Indiana is bordered by [[Ohio]], [[Kentucky]], [[Illinois]], and [[Michigan]].<br />
<br />
Indiana is recognized as the 'Limestone capital of the world' with more [[limestone]] quarried from the state than anywhere else in the world.<br />
<br />
==Elected Officials==<br />
<br />
===Federal===<br />
*Sen. [[Richard Lugar]] (R)<br />
*Sen. [[Dan Coats]] (R)<br />
*Rep. [[Pete Visclosky]] [D, IN-1]<br />
*Rep. [[Joe Donnelly]] [D, IN-02]<br />
*Rep. [[Marlin Stutzman]] [R, IN-03]<br />
*Rep. [[Todd Rokita]] [R, IN-04]<br />
*Rep. [[Dan Burton]] [R, IN-05]<br />
*Rep. [[Mike Pence]] [R, IN-06]<br />
*Rep. [[Andre Carson]] [D, IN-07]<br />
*Rep. [[Larry Bucshon]] [R, IN-08]<br />
*Rep. [[Todd Young]] [R, IN-09]<br />
<br />
===Statewide===<br />
*Governor [[Mike Pence]] (R)<br />
*Lt. Governor [[Becky Skillman]] (R)<br />
*Attorney General [[Greg Zoeller]] (R)<br />
*Secretary of State [[Charlie White]] (R)<br />
*State Auditor [[Tim Berry]] (R)<br />
*State Treasurer [[Richard Mourdock]] (R)<br />
<br />
==Notable people from Indiana==<br />
<br />
* Hoagy Carmichael, Songwriter<br />
* Jim Davis, Creator of Garfield the Cat<br />
* Eugene V Debs, 5-timr Socialist presidential candidate was based in terre Haute<br />
* Orville Redenbacher, [[Popcorn]] Magnate<br />
* Steve McQueen, Actor<br />
* James Dean, Actor<br />
* Karl Malden, Actor<br />
* Kurt Vonnegut, Novelist<br />
* Lew Wallace, Civil War General, Author ( Ben Hur )<br />
* Wendell Willkie, GOP presidential candidate 1940.<br />
* Alfred Kinsey, Sexual behavior researcher was based at Indiana University, Bloomington<br />
*Senator [[Evan Bayh]], also a former governer; he is the son of former Senator Birch Bayh<br />
*[[Astronaut]] Gus Grissom was born in Mitchell.<br />
*Former President [[Benjamin Harrison]] lived in Indianapolis and represented Indiana as a Senator.<br />
*[[William Henry Harrison]], a former President and the grandfather of Benjamin Harrison, was the first governor of Indiana territory.<br />
*Singer [[Michael Jackson]] is from Gary.<br />
*Comedian David Letterman was born in Indianapolis.<br />
*[[Mike Pence]] is a current [[Republican Party|Republican]] member of the [[United States House of Representatives|US House of Representatives]] from Indiana and has been mentioned a possible candidate for the presidency.<br />
*Former [[Vice President of the United States of America|Vice President]] [[Dan Quayle]] was born in Indianapolis and represented the states in the House and Senate.<br />
*Harland David Sanders (also known as Colonel Sanders), founder of [[Kentucky Fried Chicken]], was born in Henryville.<br />
<br />
==External links==<br />
* [http://www.h-net.org/~indiana/ H-Indiana], a daily e-mail-based discussion list sponsored by the Indiana Historical Society and H-Net, and edited by experts. The list commissionms reviews of newe books and brings together academics, history professionals, activists in local historical societies and anyone interested in the state's history to exchange ideas and foster discussion on Indiana's history and culture. They communicate current research and research interests; discuss new articles, books, papers, methods, and tools of analysis; and announce upcoming conferences and events related to Indiana history. Subscriptions are free, and the complete logs of back issues are available online from its founding in February 1998.<br />
<br />
==Bibliography==<br />
===Surveys===<br />
* Boomhower, Ray E.; Jones, Darryl, photog. ''Destination Indiana: Travels through Hoosier History.''2000. 203 pp. <br />
* Gray, Ralph D., comp., ed. ''Indiana History: A Book of Readings.'' 1995. 442 pp. articles by scholars<br />
* Madison, James H. ''The Indiana Way: A State History'' (1990) [http://www.amazon.com/Indiana-Way-State-History/dp/025320609X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1196643233&amp;sr=1-1 excerpt and text search]<br />
* Peckham, Howard H. ''Indiana: A History'' (2003) [http://www.amazon.com/Indiana-HISTORY-Howard-H-Peckham/dp/0252071468/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1196643431&amp;sr=1-13 excerpt and text search]<br />
* Reese, William J. ''Hoosier Schools: Past and Present'' (1998) [http://www.amazon.com/Hoosier-Schools-Present-Midwestern-History/dp/0253211549/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1196643233&amp;sr=1-7 excerpt and text search] <br />
* Rudolph, L. C. ''Hoosier Faiths: A History of Indiana's Churches and Religious Groups.'' 1995. 710 pp. <br />
* Skertic, Mark, and John J. Watkins. ''A Native's Guide to Northwest Indiana'' (2003) [http://www.amazon.com/Natives-Guide-Northwest-Indiana/dp/1893121089/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1196643207&amp;sr=1-1 excerpt and text search]<br />
* Taylor, Robert M., Jr. and McBirney, Connie A., ed. ''Peopling Indiana: The Ethnic Experience.'' 1996. 703 pp. covers every major ethnic group<br />
* Taylor, Robert M. ed. ''The State of Indiana History 2000: Papers Presented at the Indiana Historical Society's Grand Opening'' (2001) [http://www.amazon.com/State-Indiana-History-2000-Historical/dp/0871951533/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1196643233&amp;sr=1-3 excerpt and text search]<br />
* Vanausdall, Jeanette. ''Pride and Protest: The Novel in Indiana.'' 1999. 169 pp. <br />
<br />
===Pre 1880===<br />
* Bigham, Darrel E., ed. ''The Indiana Territory, 1800-2000: A Bicentennial Perspective.'' 2001. 196 pp. <br />
* Buley, R. Carlyle.<br />
* Carmony, Donald Francis. ''Indiana, 1816 to 1850: The Pioneer Era'' (1998), 924 pp [http://www.amazon.com/Indiana-1816-1850-Pioneer-History/dp/0871951258/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1196643157&amp;sr=1-1 excerpt and text search], standard scholarly history<br />
* Cayton, Andrew R. L. ''Frontier Indiana.'' 1996. 340 pp. , standard scholarly history<br />
* Giffin, William W. ''The Irish: Peopling Indiana.'' 2006. 127 pp. <br />
* Kellar, James H. ''Introduction to the Prehistory of Indiana'' (1983) [http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Prehistory-Indiana-James-Kellar/dp/0871950448/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1196643233&amp;sr=1-12 excerpt and text search] <br />
* Mills, Randy K. ''Jonathan Jennings: Indiana's First Governor.'' 2005. 259 pp. <br />
* Simons, Richard S. and Parker, Francis H., ed. ''Railroads of Indiana.'' 1997. 297 pp. <br />
* Stampp, Kenneth M. ''Indiana Politics during the Civil War'' )1949) [http://www.questia.com/read/3782996 online edition]<br />
<br />
===Since 1880===<br />
* Barrows, Robert G. ''Albion Fellows Bacon: Indiana's Municipal Housekeeper.'' 2000. 229 pp. <br />
* Fadely, James Philip. ''Thomas Taggart: Public Servant, Political Boss, 1856-1929.'' 1997. 267 pp. <br />
* Madison, James H. ''Indiana through Tradition and Change: A History of the Hoosier State and Its People, 1920-1945'' (1982) [http://www.amazon.com/Indiana-through-Tradition-Change-Historical/dp/0871950421/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1196643233&amp;sr=1-10 excerpt and text search], , standard scholarly history<br />
* Phillips, Clifton J. ''Indiana in Transition: The Emergence of an Industrial Commonwealth, 1880-1920'' (1968), standard scholarly history<br />
* Rund, Christopher. ''The Indiana Rail Road Company: America's New Regional Railroad.'' 2006. 254 pp. <br />
* Thornbrough, Emma Lou. ''Indiana Blacks in the Twentieth Century.'' Indiana U. Press, 2000. 287 pp. <br />
* Whitford, Frederick and Martin, Andrew G. ''The Grand Old Man of Purdue University and Indiana Agriculture: A Biography of William Carroll Latta.'' Purdue U. Press, 2005. 385 pp. <br />
<br />
<br />
===Primary sources===<br />
* Bowen, Otis R. and DuBois, William, Jr. ''Doc: Memories from a Life in Public Service.'' 2000. 232 pp. Bowen was Governor 1972-80<br />
* Streightoff, Frances Doan. ''Indiana: A Social and Economic Survey'' (1916) [http://books.google.com/books?id=PuJCAAAAIAAJ&amp;pg=PA252&amp;dq=intitle:social+intitle:survey+date:1900-1923&amp;num=30&amp;as_brr=1#PPA2,M1 full text online]<br />
* Taylor, ed. Robert M. ''Indiana: A New Historical Guide'' (1990), highly detailed guide to citiies and recent history<br />
* WPA Indiana Writer's Project. ''Indiana: A Guide To The Hoosier State: American Guide Series'' (1941), famous WPA Guide to every location; strong on history, architecture and culture; reprinted 1973; [http://www.questia.com/read/99249272 online edition]<br />
<br />
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|nick=[[Crossroads of America]]<br />
|capital=Indianapolis<br />
|language=English<br />
|governor=Mike Pence<br />
|gparty=Republican<br />
|senator2=Dan Coats<br />
|s2party=Republican<br />
|s2phone=(202) 224-5623<br />
|s2email=http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/senators/one_item_and_teasers/Coats_Daniel.htm Contact<br />
|senator1=Joe Donnelly<br />
|s1party=Democrat<br />
|s1phone=(202) (202) 224-4814<br />
|s1email=mailto:senator_donnelly@donnelly.senate.gov Contact<br />
|population=<br />
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'''Indiana''' was the nineteenth state to enter the union. Nicknamed &quot;The Hoosier State&quot;, is encompasses a geographical area of 36,291 square miles (38th in size among United States), and has a population of 6,195,643, according to a 2003 census. Its capital and largest city is [[Indianapolis]]. Indiana is bordered by [[Ohio]], [[Kentucky]], [[Illinois]], and [[Michigan]].<br />
<br />
Indiana is recognized as the 'Limestone capital of the world' with more [[limestone]] quarried from the state than anywhere else in the world.<br />
<br />
==Elected Officials==<br />
<br />
===Federal===<br />
*Sen. [[Richard Lugar]] (R)<br />
*Sen. [[Dan Coats]] (R)<br />
*Rep. [[Pete Visclosky]] [D, IN-1]<br />
*Rep. [[Joe Donnelly]] [D, IN-02]<br />
*Rep. [[Marlin Stutzman]] [R, IN-03]<br />
*Rep. [[Todd Rokita]] [R, IN-04]<br />
*Rep. [[Dan Burton]] [R, IN-05]<br />
*Rep. [[Mike Pence]] [R, IN-06]<br />
*Rep. [[Andre Carson]] [D, IN-07]<br />
*Rep. [[Larry Bucshon]] [R, IN-08]<br />
*Rep. [[Todd Young]] [R, IN-09]<br />
<br />
===Statewide===<br />
*Governor [[Mitch Daniels]] (R)<br />
*Lt. Governor [[Becky Skillman]] (R)<br />
*Attorney General [[Greg Zoeller]] (R)<br />
*Secretary of State [[Charlie White]] (R)<br />
*State Auditor [[Tim Berry]] (R)<br />
*State Treasurer [[Richard Mourdock]] (R)<br />
<br />
==Notable people from Indiana==<br />
<br />
* Hoagy Carmichael, Songwriter<br />
* Jim Davis, Creator of Garfield the Cat<br />
* Eugene V Debs, 5-timr Socialist presidential candidate was based in terre Haute<br />
* Orville Redenbacher, [[Popcorn]] Magnate<br />
* Steve McQueen, Actor<br />
* James Dean, Actor<br />
* Karl Malden, Actor<br />
* Kurt Vonnegut, Novelist<br />
* Lew Wallace, Civil War General, Author ( Ben Hur )<br />
* Wendell Willkie, GOP presidential candidate 1940.<br />
* Alfred Kinsey, Sexual behavior researcher was based at Indiana University, Bloomington<br />
*Senator [[Evan Bayh]], also a former governer; he is the son of former Senator Birch Bayh<br />
*[[Astronaut]] Gus Grissom was born in Mitchell.<br />
*Former President [[Benjamin Harrison]] lived in Indianapolis and represented Indiana as a Senator.<br />
*[[William Henry Harrison]], a former President and the grandfather of Benjamin Harrison, was the first governor of Indiana territory.<br />
*Singer [[Michael Jackson]] is from Gary.<br />
*Comedian David Letterman was born in Indianapolis.<br />
*[[Mike Pence]] is a current [[Republican Party|Republican]] member of the [[United States House of Representatives|US House of Representatives]] from Indiana and has been mentioned a possible candidate for the presidency.<br />
*Former [[Vice President of the United States of America|Vice President]] [[Dan Quayle]] was born in Indianapolis and represented the states in the House and Senate.<br />
*Harland David Sanders (also known as Colonel Sanders), founder of [[Kentucky Fried Chicken]], was born in Henryville.<br />
<br />
==External links==<br />
* [http://www.h-net.org/~indiana/ H-Indiana], a daily e-mail-based discussion list sponsored by the Indiana Historical Society and H-Net, and edited by experts. The list commissionms reviews of newe books and brings together academics, history professionals, activists in local historical societies and anyone interested in the state's history to exchange ideas and foster discussion on Indiana's history and culture. They communicate current research and research interests; discuss new articles, books, papers, methods, and tools of analysis; and announce upcoming conferences and events related to Indiana history. Subscriptions are free, and the complete logs of back issues are available online from its founding in February 1998.<br />
<br />
==Bibliography==<br />
===Surveys===<br />
* Boomhower, Ray E.; Jones, Darryl, photog. ''Destination Indiana: Travels through Hoosier History.''2000. 203 pp. <br />
* Gray, Ralph D., comp., ed. ''Indiana History: A Book of Readings.'' 1995. 442 pp. articles by scholars<br />
* Madison, James H. ''The Indiana Way: A State History'' (1990) [http://www.amazon.com/Indiana-Way-State-History/dp/025320609X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1196643233&amp;sr=1-1 excerpt and text search]<br />
* Peckham, Howard H. ''Indiana: A History'' (2003) [http://www.amazon.com/Indiana-HISTORY-Howard-H-Peckham/dp/0252071468/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1196643431&amp;sr=1-13 excerpt and text search]<br />
* Reese, William J. ''Hoosier Schools: Past and Present'' (1998) [http://www.amazon.com/Hoosier-Schools-Present-Midwestern-History/dp/0253211549/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1196643233&amp;sr=1-7 excerpt and text search] <br />
* Rudolph, L. C. ''Hoosier Faiths: A History of Indiana's Churches and Religious Groups.'' 1995. 710 pp. <br />
* Skertic, Mark, and John J. Watkins. ''A Native's Guide to Northwest Indiana'' (2003) [http://www.amazon.com/Natives-Guide-Northwest-Indiana/dp/1893121089/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1196643207&amp;sr=1-1 excerpt and text search]<br />
* Taylor, Robert M., Jr. and McBirney, Connie A., ed. ''Peopling Indiana: The Ethnic Experience.'' 1996. 703 pp. covers every major ethnic group<br />
* Taylor, Robert M. ed. ''The State of Indiana History 2000: Papers Presented at the Indiana Historical Society's Grand Opening'' (2001) [http://www.amazon.com/State-Indiana-History-2000-Historical/dp/0871951533/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1196643233&amp;sr=1-3 excerpt and text search]<br />
* Vanausdall, Jeanette. ''Pride and Protest: The Novel in Indiana.'' 1999. 169 pp. <br />
<br />
===Pre 1880===<br />
* Bigham, Darrel E., ed. ''The Indiana Territory, 1800-2000: A Bicentennial Perspective.'' 2001. 196 pp. <br />
* Buley, R. Carlyle.<br />
* Carmony, Donald Francis. ''Indiana, 1816 to 1850: The Pioneer Era'' (1998), 924 pp [http://www.amazon.com/Indiana-1816-1850-Pioneer-History/dp/0871951258/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1196643157&amp;sr=1-1 excerpt and text search], standard scholarly history<br />
* Cayton, Andrew R. L. ''Frontier Indiana.'' 1996. 340 pp. , standard scholarly history<br />
* Giffin, William W. ''The Irish: Peopling Indiana.'' 2006. 127 pp. <br />
* Kellar, James H. ''Introduction to the Prehistory of Indiana'' (1983) [http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Prehistory-Indiana-James-Kellar/dp/0871950448/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1196643233&amp;sr=1-12 excerpt and text search] <br />
* Mills, Randy K. ''Jonathan Jennings: Indiana's First Governor.'' 2005. 259 pp. <br />
* Simons, Richard S. and Parker, Francis H., ed. ''Railroads of Indiana.'' 1997. 297 pp. <br />
* Stampp, Kenneth M. ''Indiana Politics during the Civil War'' )1949) [http://www.questia.com/read/3782996 online edition]<br />
<br />
===Since 1880===<br />
* Barrows, Robert G. ''Albion Fellows Bacon: Indiana's Municipal Housekeeper.'' 2000. 229 pp. <br />
* Fadely, James Philip. ''Thomas Taggart: Public Servant, Political Boss, 1856-1929.'' 1997. 267 pp. <br />
* Madison, James H. ''Indiana through Tradition and Change: A History of the Hoosier State and Its People, 1920-1945'' (1982) [http://www.amazon.com/Indiana-through-Tradition-Change-Historical/dp/0871950421/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1196643233&amp;sr=1-10 excerpt and text search], , standard scholarly history<br />
* Phillips, Clifton J. ''Indiana in Transition: The Emergence of an Industrial Commonwealth, 1880-1920'' (1968), standard scholarly history<br />
* Rund, Christopher. ''The Indiana Rail Road Company: America's New Regional Railroad.'' 2006. 254 pp. <br />
* Thornbrough, Emma Lou. ''Indiana Blacks in the Twentieth Century.'' Indiana U. Press, 2000. 287 pp. <br />
* Whitford, Frederick and Martin, Andrew G. ''The Grand Old Man of Purdue University and Indiana Agriculture: A Biography of William Carroll Latta.'' Purdue U. Press, 2005. 385 pp. <br />
<br />
<br />
===Primary sources===<br />
* Bowen, Otis R. and DuBois, William, Jr. ''Doc: Memories from a Life in Public Service.'' 2000. 232 pp. Bowen was Governor 1972-80<br />
* Streightoff, Frances Doan. ''Indiana: A Social and Economic Survey'' (1916) [http://books.google.com/books?id=PuJCAAAAIAAJ&amp;pg=PA252&amp;dq=intitle:social+intitle:survey+date:1900-1923&amp;num=30&amp;as_brr=1#PPA2,M1 full text online]<br />
* Taylor, ed. Robert M. ''Indiana: A New Historical Guide'' (1990), highly detailed guide to citiies and recent history<br />
* WPA Indiana Writer's Project. ''Indiana: A Guide To The Hoosier State: American Guide Series'' (1941), famous WPA Guide to every location; strong on history, architecture and culture; reprinted 1973; [http://www.questia.com/read/99249272 online edition]<br />
<br />
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'''Hollywood values''' are characterized by decadence, [[narcissism]], rampant [[drug|drug use]], [[adultery|extramarital sex]] leading to the spread of sexually-transmitted [[disease]], [[abortion]], lawlessness and the promotion of the [[homosexual agenda]]. Such values have a very negative influence on the life of individuals, and very often lead to death. A 2006 poll by MSNBC said that 60% of [[Americans]] agree that &quot;Hollywood's values are not in line with the rest of America and that the quality of movies has diminished in recent years.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11714540/&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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The lack of [[morals]] and difference of [[values]] in [[Hollywood]] culture has been destroying the fabric of American culture, particularly the family.<br />
==Conflict over values==<br />
There have been, however, a handful of prominent people whose work in Hollywood opposed these values. [[Charlton Heston]], [[Jim Caviezel]], [[Ricardo Montalban]], [[Ronald Reagan]], [[James Stewart]], [[Pat Boone]], [[Paul Schofield]], [[Lisa Whelchel]] (&quot;The Facts of Life&quot; sitcom's 'Blair' who refused a role where she would be the first of Eastland's girls to become a non-virgin), [[Walt Disney]] and many others practiced conservative values while working in Hollywood and the productions of these and many others also reflect these values, irrespective of the names associated with them: [[The Chronicles of Narnia]] and ''Independence Day'' (a 1996 movie about the U.S. being attacked on [[Independence Day]]) being recent examples.<br />
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Although the social elite of Hollywood may have held different values that Main Street America, the disparity was hidden from the public. First, many film studios and actors hired publicity agents to control what life-style facts became known to the public. Certain personal indiscretions were considered &quot;off-limits&quot; to journalists and not generally reported, such as [[Marilyn Monroe]]'s connection to various [[organized crime]] and political figures.<br />
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Second, both the film studios and the television networks had codes of acceptable content. Actors who were living by Hollywood values were creating films and television programs that carefully avoid sexually explicit themes or foul language. For example, the code required that if a married couple were to be shown in a bedroom scene, they would have twin beds and would be wearing [[pajamas]].<br />
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Third, after the [[United States Supreme Court]] ruled that the [[First Amendment]] protected certain forms of literature and motion pictures that were previously considered [[pornographic]], (''[[Miller v. California]]'' in 1973), the case law developed that applied local community standards when deciding whether a particular work was to be protected. This had the effect of decoupling national values from Hollywood values and started a race to the lowest common denominator.<br />
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Finally, over time, the media has shifted from being concentrated to being dispersed. The three major television networks shifted to thousands of cable channels, and the adoption of the Internet by the general public made controlling the spread of news and the fabrication of false public images by movie studios impossible. As a result, [[tabloid journalism]] and [[reality television]] spread the full impact of the Hollywood lifestyle throughout American culture.<br />
==Description==<br />
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Hollywood values include a flagrant disrespect and disregard for:<br />
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* [[abstinence]], [[marriage]] and [[fidelity]] <br />
* [[patriotism]]<br />
* [[religion]] and [[spirituality]] (Hollywood's profits depend on the [[advertising]] and sale of [[materialism|material goods]] and other superficial &quot;solutions&quot; to problems.)<br />
* [[accountability]]<br />
* the [[military]]&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/editorials/hollywood_gets_it_right_p4d84a9jyymsfLw0THb7EM Hollywood gets it right, New York Post, March 09, 2010]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
* family responsibilities, like [[childrearing]]&lt;ref&gt;[[Britney Spears]] &quot;doesn't want [her] kids back.&quot; [http://www.nypost.com/seven/02132008/news/nationalnews/brit_doesnt_want_her_kids__1st_ex_97425.htm]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
* laws that apply to everyone else<br />
* commonly accepted behavioral boundaries and values of human decency<br />
* hard work and humility<br />
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In addition, Hollywood portrays these values as rebellious and [[counterculture|countercultural]]. They portray religious and spiritual institutions as greedy, self-serving, sexually perverted, prejudiced, ignorant, and unscientific. When comparing the satisfaction brought about by faith, spirituality, family, and friendship, which may happen to include donations to a church or other organization, it is clear that the profits of Hollywood and the industries which rely upon Hollywood for profit are the true establishment - thus making traditional values truly rebellious and countercultural, and Hollywood values a lie.<br />
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==Deaths ==<br />
Hollywood values are deadly. Tourists in Hollywood can visit over 30 sites of typically self-inflicted Hollywood celebrity deaths.&lt;ref&gt;http://www.hollywoodusa.co.uk/celebrity-death-sites.htm&lt;/ref&gt; A sampling of deaths caused by Hollywood values include:&lt;ref&gt;http://www.abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=4174733&amp;page=1&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/entertainment/news/article/20021--list-of-celebrities-taken-by-drug-use-tragic-and-growing&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Nick Adams]], 36, TV actor died of an overdose from barbiturates.<br />
*[[Jeremy Applegate]], 24, suicide, ironically after saying (in a voiceover scene) in 1989's teen film ''[[Heathers]]'' &quot;I hope this never happens to me, because I couldn't handle suicide&quot;.<br />
*[[John Barrymore]], 60, cirrhosis of the liver from heavy drinking.<br />
*[[John Belushi]], 33, was a repeated drug abuser who ultimately died of a lethal injection of cocaine and heroin.<br />
*[[Clara Blandick]], 81, &quot;Aunt Em&quot; in ''[[The Wizard Of Oz]]'' committed suicide in 1962 by O.D.'ing on prescription meds.<br />
*[[John Bonham]], 32, after too much drinking, asphyxiated on vomit.<br />
*[[Elisa Bridges]], 28, [[Playboy]] magazine model, drug overdose combining heroin, methamphetamine and other drugs.<br />
*[[Joseph Brooks]], 73, Hollywood producer, composer, lyricist, and accused multiple rapist committed suicide.<br />
*[[Timothy Buckley]], 29, musician, died of [[heroin]] overdose in 1975.<br />
*[[David Carradine]], 72, died from suffocation, most likely suicide, had history of suicidal thoughts, alcohol and narcotics abuse &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525177,00.html Thai Police: Carradine Death May Be Accidental Suffocation] Fox News, June 05, 2009 &lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Stephen Clark]], 30, Def Leppard guitarist, drug and alcohol overdose&lt;ref&gt;http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1108020/bio&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Lana Clarkson]], 40, actress and model murdered by [[Phil Spector]]<br />
*[[Kurt Cobain]], 27, lead singer from the band Nirvana, a heroin addict who committed suicide with a shotgun blast to the head.<br />
*[[Ray Combs]], 40, host of the TV game show ''Family Feud'' committed suicide by hanging himself while, ironically, in a psychiatric ward.<br />
*[[Jeff Conaway]], 60, film and television actor died from a suspected overdose. He struggled with addictions to cocaine and alcohol. <br />
*[[Don Cornelius]], 75, &quot;Soul Train&quot; TV creator died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/02/01/soul-train-creator-don-cornelius-dead-apparent-suicide-report-says/ 'Soul Train' creator Don Cornelius dead of apparent suicide, Fox News, February 1, 2012]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[John Costelloe]], 47, actor from HBO's ''The Sopranos'' known as &quot;Johnny Cakes&quot;, shot himself in the head. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,472864,00.html 'Sopranos' Actor Shocks Fans, Loved Ones With Holiday Suicide] NYPost, December 25, 2008&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Bob Crane]], 49, the actor's success as one of ''[[Hogan's Heroes]]'' led to a bizarre life of [[sex addiction]]. He was beaten to death in [[Scottsdale]], [[Arizona]].<br />
*[[Karl Dane]], 47, suicide by gunshot.<br />
*[[James Dean]], 24, a notoriously reckless and frequently ticketed driver crashed fatally head-on into a car turning left in front of his Porsche (see also crime, below)<br />
*[[Kevin DuBrow]], 52, lead singer of 1980's metal band Quiet Riot died from an overdose of cocaine.<br />
*[[Ryan Dunn]], 34, [[MTV]]'s reality star from the series ''Jackass'', died in a 3:00 AM auto accident after a night of drinking. [http://www.tmz.com/2011/06/20/jackass-ryan-dunn-dies-dead-car-crash-accident-pennsylvania/]<br />
*[[Eazy-E]], 31, [[AIDS]] death in 1995 contracted through drug use.<br />
*[[Peg Entwistle]], 24, leaped to her death from atop the Hollywood sign.<br />
*[[Brian Epstein]], 32, overdosed on sleeping pills and alcohol.<br />
*[[Althea Flynt]], 33, wife of [[Huster]] publisher [[Larry Flynt]], died of possible [[AIDS]] from an infected [[blood transfusion]] or prescription drug overdose.<br />
*[[Chris Farley]], 33, overdose of morphine and cocaine<br />
*[[Frances Farmer]], 56, cancer brought on by former lifestyle of heavy smoking.<br />
*[[Judy Garland]], 47, overdosed on sleeping pills<br />
*[[Lucy Gordon]], 28, British actress from the movie ''Spiderman 3'', hung herself &lt;ref&gt;[http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/Movies/wireStory?id=7642829 Actress Lucy Gordon Found Dead at Age 28 in Paris, ABC News, May 21, 2009]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Paul Gray]], 38, bassist of heavy metal band Slipknot, died of an overdose of morphine and fentanyl. &lt;ref&gt;http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100622/ap_on_en_mu/us_slipknot_bassist_autopsy&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Lee Grivas]], 26, the on-again, off-again boyfriend of actress Christina Applegate, 36, was found dead of an apparent drug overdose&lt;ref&gt;http://www.bloggernews.net/116552a&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Corey Haim, 38, teen idol who starred in many teen movies and then a reality show, died of a drug overdose.&lt;ref&gt;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8560246.stm&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Russell Craig Hamer]], 42, child actor, self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head.<br />
*[[Phil Hartman]], 49, murdered in his million-dollar house by his drug-addicted third wife, Brynn Hartman<br />
*[[Margaux Hemingway]], 42, suicide<br />
*[[Jimi Hendrix]], 27, an enthusiastic abuser of illegal drugs, choked on his own vomit after overdosing on sleeping pills and alcohol while in London.<br />
*[[Whitney Houston]], 48, singer/actress autopsy reports showed cocaine and drowning as contributors to her death. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/03/30/cocaine-found-in-whitney-houstons-hotel-room-report-says/?intcmp=features Cocaine found in Whitney Houston's hotel room, report says, Fox News, March 30, 2012]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Rock Hudson]], 59, AIDS in 1985.<br />
*[[Michael Hutchence]], 37, asphyxiated during an auto-erotic act while alone in a Sydney hotel. His wife, Paula Yates (see below), also fell victim to Hollywood Values.<br />
*[[Michael Jackson]], 50, cardiac arrest from a toxic mixture and abuse of prescription drugs, improperly prescribed by doctors.<br />
*[[Richard Jeni]], 49, suicide&lt;ref&gt;http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258231,00.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Russell Tyrone Jones]] (a.k,a. &quot;Old Dirty Bastard&quot;), 35, musician, died of drug overdose two days before his 36th birthday<br />
*[[Janis Joplin]], 27, heroin overdose<br />
*[[Lisa Robin Kelly]], 43, &quot;That '70s Show&quot; actress died while in a rehab facility for addictions<br />
*[[Andrew Koenig]], 41, child actor in the TV series ''Growing Pains'', committed suicide.&lt;ref&gt;[http://omg.yahoo.com/news/andrew-koenigs-body-found-in-vancouver-park/36485?nc Andrew Koenig's Body Found in Vancouver Park, Yahoo News, February 25, 2010]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Jani Lane]], 47, lead singer for the rock band Warrant was found dead in a hotel room. He had a history of alcohol abuse.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.tmz.com/2011/08/11/warrant-singer-jani-lane-dead-dies-died-hotel-ventura-los-angeles-cherry-pie/ EX-WARRANT SINGER JANI LANE<br />
DEAD AT 47, TMZ.com, August 11, 2011]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Heath Ledger]], 28, a straight actor best known as one of ''[[Brokeback Mountain]]'''s homosexual cowboys, died in his [[Manhattan]] apartment in 2008 from an accidental overdose of painkillers, sleeping pills, anti-anxiety medication and other prescription drugs. &lt;ref&gt;http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,328828,00.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Bruce Lee]] (Li Xiaolong), actor, 33, collapsed and died; trace amounts of cannabis found in bloodstream at postmortem; the official cause of death was acute cerebral edema (swelling of the brain) from hypersensitivity to aspirin. Cannabis probably didn't contribute to his death.<br />
*[[Johnny Lewis]], 28, actor from Sons of Anarchy fell to his death after killing his 81-year-old landlord.<br />
*[[Stuart Lubbock]], 31, found dead in the swimming pool of popular TV entertainer [[Michael Barrymore]], having suffered severe anal trauma, after a drug-fueled party at the star's home <br />
*[[Queen (band)|Freddie Mercury]], 45, born Farrokh Bulsara, lead singer of the band Queen, died from AIDS-related bronchial pneumonia.<br />
*[[Sal Mineo]], 37, murdered under circumstances that suggested &quot;a homosexual motive&quot;.<br />
*[[Marilyn Monroe]], 36, overdosed on sleeping pills.<br />
*[[Cory Monteith]], 31, star of the liberal show Glee died from a mix of heroin and alcohol. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2013/07/16/cory-monteith-died-mixture-heroin-and-alcohol-coroners-service-says/ Cory Monteith died of a &quot;mixed drug toxicity', Fox News, July 16, 2013]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Keith Moon]], 32, drummer of [[The Who]] overdosed on Clomethiazole prescribed to treat his [[alcoholism]].<br />
*[[Jim Morrison]], 27, died of an apparent heroin overdose.<br />
*[[Brittany Murphy]], 32, motion picture film actress died of cardiac arrest from combining prescription drugs &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2010/02/27/brittany-murphy-taken-vicodin-days/ Brittany Murphy May Have Taken 109 Vicodin in 11 Days, Fox News, February 27, 2010]&lt;/ref&gt; Official death from pneumonia and drug intoxication.<br />
*[[Chris Penn]], 40, brother of [[Sean Penn]], &quot;died accidentally from an enlarged heart and the effects of a mix of multiple medications&quot;.<br />
*[[River Phoenix]], 23, died from an overdose of cocaine and heroin.<br />
*[[Dana Plato]], 34, ''Diff'rent Strokes'' star, suicide by drug overdose after posing for lesbian pornography.<br />
*[[Elvis Presley]], 42, large drug intake causes a cardiac arrhythmia, and rumored to have suffocated on the carpet when he collapsed from a drug overdose.<br />
*[[Freddie Prinze]], 22, actor from ''Chico and the Man'', committed suicide by gunshot to the head.<br />
*[[Richard Pryor]], 65, comedian with a history of smoking cocaine, died of a heart attack.<br />
*[[Virginia Rappe]], 30, died of a ruptured bladder incurred at a party hosted by [[Roscoe Arbuckle]].<br />
*[[Robert Reed]], 59, actor known as Mike Brady on ''The Brady Bunch'' was a homosexual with AIDS, died from cancer in 1992.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/entertainment/2009/08/14/brady-bunch?slide=25 Robert Reed in 1990, Fox News]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Brad Renfro]], 25, became addicted to heroin and was found dead after a night of drinking<br />
*[[George Reeves]], 45, played Superman from the series ''Adventures of Superman'', suicide by gunshot<br />
*[[Rebecca Schaeffer]], 21, actress in CBS's television series ''My Sister Sam'', stalked and murdered by a crazed fan in 1989.<br />
*[[Ronald, aka &quot;Bon&quot; Scott]] lead singer of [[AC/DC]] chocked on his own vomit on alcohol and illegal drugs in 1980 while touring to support their (appropriately titled ?) album, ''Highway To Hell''.<br />
*[[Jean Seberg]], 40, actress with clinic depression committed suicide by overdose of alcohol and barbiturates<br />
*Michael Showers, 45, HBO actor found dead in the Mississippi River.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/08/25/treme-actor-michael-showers-body-found-in-mississippi-river/#ixzz1W3rKzHFr 'Treme' Actor Michael Showers' Body Found in Mississippi River, Fox News, August 25, 2011]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Anna Nicole Smith]], 39, accidental overdose on prescription drugs<br />
*[[Layne Staley]], 34, found dead in apartment two weeks after a drug overdose.&lt;ref&gt;http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/staley1.html&lt;/ref&gt; Layne promoted the use of hard drugs in the 1992 [[Alice in Chains]] song &quot;Junkhead&quot;&lt;ref&gt;http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Junkhead-lyrics-Alice-In-Chains/3A665DABDFC00AD54825688F0010CD45&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Dorothy Stratten]], 20, murdered by spouse after engaging in extramarital affair<br />
*[[David Strickland]], 29, cast member of NBC's ''Suddenly Susan'' hung himself in a Las Vegas hotel.<br />
*[[Sharon Tate]], 26, an actress with a [[hippie]] lifestyle who was murdered by followers of [[Charles Manson]], a [[Beatles]]-obsessed musician wannabe; Manson's followers murdered Tate, who was pregnant and only two weeks from birth, her unborn child, her prior lover, who was staying with her while her husband, movie producer [[Roman Polanski]] (see 'Crime', below), was away, and another unmarried couple staying in the house. (It is believed that Manson had actually intended his followers to kill the home's previous residents, [[Terry Melcher]] (son of [[Doris Day]]) and [[Candice Bergen]].)&lt;ref&gt;The Polanski Problem [http://moviegeeksclub.blogspot.com/2008/04/polanski-problem.html]&lt;/ref&gt; &lt;ref&gt;Sharon Tate Official Site: Sharon's Biography [http://www.sharontate.net/bio4.html]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Lou Tellegen]], 52, a silent film and stage actor, suicide<br />
*[[Lupe Velez]], 36, 1920s-1940s movie actress, suicide by an overdose of sleeping pills; she was pregnant and didn't want an illegitimate child.<br />
*[[Sid Vicious]], 21. [[Heroin]] overdose while awaiting trial for his girlfriend's murder in [[New York City]].<br />
*[[Herve Villechaize]], 50, actor who played the character Tattoo on the hit show ''Fantasy Island'', committed suicide by self-inflicted gunshot.<br />
*[[Kenneth Williams]], 62, comedian and actor, heart failure from interaction of pain medication and sleeping pills.<br />
*[[Amy Winehouse]], 27, young singer with a life of substance abuse. Toxicology reports showed alcohol but no illegal drugs found in her system.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/amy-winehouse-was-drug-free-when-she-died-20110823 Amy Winehouse Toxicology Report Shows No Illegal Drugs] Perpetua, Matthew, August 23, 2011, ''The Rolling Stone'', retrieved August 25, 2011.&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Natalie Wood]], 43, actress, drowned while intoxicated.<br />
*[[Paula Yates]], 41, television writer, heroin overdose. &quot;Coroner Dr Paul Knapman told Westminster Coroners Court she had not committed suicide but said her behaviour had been &quot;foolish and incautious&quot;. Her death was the result of &quot;an unsophisticated taker of heroin&quot; using drugs, he said. The court heard that 0.3mg of morphine per litre of blood was found in her body, which would not have been enough to kill her had she been a heroin addict.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;[http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1013404.stm Heroin overdose killed Yate] November 8, 2000, BBCNews.com, retrieved August 25, 2011&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Bubba Smith]], 66, football player and actor, died from an overdose of diet pills.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2056807/Police-Academy-star-Bubba-Smith-died-diet-pill-overdose.html Revealed: Police Academy star Bubba Smith died of a diet pill overdose - Daily Mail]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Actor Jonathan Brandis committed suicide in 2003.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.smh.com.au/news/heath-ledger/ten-actors-who-died-in-their-20s/2008/01/23/1201024961111.html Ten actors who died in their 20s], The Sydney Morning Herald&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Singer [[Elliott Smith]] committed suicide in 2003 by stabbing himself in the chest.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1475177 Singer Elliott Smith Dead in Apparent Suicide - NPR]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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==Sexually Transmitted Diseases==<br />
The loose sexual morals characteristic of the lifestyle defined by Hollywood Values often lead to sexually transmitted diseases. Examples include,<br />
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* [[Rock Hudson]] died of AIDS-related complications after contracting the disease through homosexual intercourse.<br />
* Michael Jeter, who was homosexual, also died due to AIDS-related complications. <br />
* Freddie Mercury of the rock group [[Queen (band)|Queen]], notorious for his flamboyant onstage presence, also contracted AIDS through his wildly promiscuous homosexual lifestyle, and subsequently perished of the self-inflicted condition.<br />
* [[Tommy Morrison]] 44, died of undisclosed illness after testing positive for HIV. He starred in the movie ''Rocky V'' and claimed to be related to [[John Wayne]].&lt;ref&gt;{{cite news|title=heavyweight champ also starred in 'Rocky V'|first=Dave|last=Skretta|work=Washington Post|date=September 3, 2013|page=B5}}&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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== Crime ==<br />
'''Hollywood values often include being arrested or convicted for a variety of crimes. Here are some examples:'''<br />
* [[Frances Farmer]], arrested in 1942 for driving with bright lights in a &quot;dim out&quot; zone that affected the West Coast during World War II, and was convicted of drunk driving.&lt;ref&gt;http://www.biography.com/people/frances-farmer-9542364&lt;/ref&gt; In 1943, she assaulted a hairdresser who she claimed insulted her and also failed to appear in court for the remainder of her previous fine. When arrested in 1943, she resisted and was eventually placed under guardianship of her mother, who eventually committed her to various psychatric hospitals until 1950 (the guardianship lasted until 1953).<br />
* [[Paris Hilton]] was convicted in 2007 of driving while intoxicated, and then violated the terms of her probation, leading to a 45-day prison sentence.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18472845/ Paris Hilton sentenced to 45 days in jail], MSNBC, May 4, 2007&lt;/ref&gt; She was also arrested in Las Vegas on 8/27/2010 for possession of a controlled substance, [[cocaine]]. The hotel heiress was a passenger in a vehicle that was stopped by police. The driver was arrested for DUI '''pertaining to drugs, not alcohol'''. Through further interaction between Hilton and authorities, it was discovered she was in possession of a controlled substance. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2010/08/28/paris-hilton-arrested-drug-possession/ Paris Hilton arrested in Las Vegas.]&lt;/ref&gt; In order to avoid prison, Hilton pleaded guilty to two misdemeanors, and received a sentence of one year's probation, a fine, community service and also was ordered to complete a drug abuse program. <br />
* Actress Lori Petty, who was featured in ''Free Willy'' and ''A League of their Own'', ran into a 14-year-old skateboarder and was arrested for felony drunk driving charges.&lt;ref&gt;http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7015343906&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
* Craig Phillip Robinson, the actor famous for playing Darryl Philbin on NBC's ''The Office'', &quot;was arrested on June 29, 2008, on suspicion of possessing MDMA, also known as ecstasy, and methamphetamine.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/TV/08/15/office.actor.arrested.ap/index.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
* [[Winona Ryder]] was convicted of vandalism and grand theft for stealing designer merchandise worth $5,560.40.&lt;ref&gt;http://www.courttv.com/trials/ryder/&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
* [[O.J. Simpson]] is widely believed to have murdered his wife and her friend, and was found liable in a civil (but not criminal) trial. He has since been convicted of unrelated felonies outside [[California]] ([[Nevada]] in 2008) and is serving time in Nevada.<br />
* [[Jim Bakker]], [[televangelist]] for the [[PTL]] Club, was convicted of accounting fraud in 1989, stemming from the [[televangelism]] scandals of the later 1980s. He was sentenced to 45 years in prison and a $500,000 fine, but this sentence was commuted to eight years and the fine was voided.<br />
* [[Jimmy Swaggart]], also a televagelist and involved in the late 1980s televangelism scandals, was caught in 1991 with yet another prostitute while in Indio California and when asked about, he said &quot;The Lord said it's flat none of your business&quot;. <br />
*[[Lana Turner]] was involved with [[Mafia]] enforcer [[John Stompanato]], who tried murdering her in 1958, but was himself killed by Lana's daughter, Cheryl, then 14 in an incident that would be ruled justifiable.<br />
*[[Hugh Grant]] was arrested in 1995 in Los Angeles when he found in a car with a known prostitute.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.mugshots.org/hollywood/hugh-grant.html]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Stacy Keach]], movie actor, was sentenced to 9 months imprisonment in the [[United Kingdom]] in 1984 after being arrested at [[London]] [[Heathrow Airport]] in possession of a large quantity of [[cocaine]].<br />
*[[Kiefer Sutherland]], an actor starring in Fox television series ''24'' was given a 48-day sentence for DUI in 2007, an offense committed while still on probation following a 2004 conviction for DUI.&lt;ref&gt;Sutherland is released from jail [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7200633.stm BBC]&lt;/ref&gt; He was also charged with misdemeanor assault for allegedly head-butting a fashion designer at a nightclub in 2009. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=47880 ‘24’ Star Kiefer Sutherland Charged for Allegedly Head-Butting a Fashion Designer] Associated Press, May 8, 2009&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Linda Blair]] of ''[[The Exorcist]]'' (I &amp; II's) fame was arrested in 1977 for possession of [[cocaine]] with intent to sell.<br />
*[[George Michael]] was convicted of &quot;committing a lewd act in public&quot;, having been arrested in a public restroom by a plain clothes police officer. Arrested in September 2008 in a [[London]] public lavatory, he was found in possession of crack cocaine and cannabis - but merely received a caution. &lt;ref&gt;http://uk.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUKLL28201720080921&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Snoop Dogg]], a popular [[rap|rapper]], was arrested in 2006 for [[marijuana]] possession. He is a libertarian&lt;ref&gt;http://www.ucllibertarians.com/celebrities.html&lt;/ref&gt; who advocates legal marijuana use.&lt;ref&gt;http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/dailydish/detail?blogid=7&amp;entry_id=21457&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Roman Polanski]], Polish-born film director &amp; producer, is unable to return anywhere in the [[United States]] as he jumped bail in 1978 and fled to [[France]] after being convicted on charges of unlawful sexual intercourse with a thirteen-year old girl.<br />
* Rapper DMX (Earl Simmons) was caught on camera drag racing at a speed over 110 miles on a freeway, and then a SWAT team was used to arrest him three days later on drug and animal cruelty charges. &quot;The Maricopa County sheriff's office says the 37-year-old, whose real name is Earl Simmons, at first tried to barricade himself in his bedroom. He came out as a SWAT team entered during the early-morning raid Friday.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;http://news.aol.com/entertainment/music/music-news-story/ar/_a/dmx-arrested-on-animal-cruelty-charges/20080509163709990001&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Martha Stewart]] was charged with illegal [[insider trading]] in 2003.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.sec.gov/news/press/2003-69.htm SEC press release (SEC Charges Martha Stewart, Broker Peter Bacanovic with Illegal Insider Trading)]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Tatum O'Neal]] was arrested in 2008 for [[cocaine]] possession. &lt;ref&gt;<br />
[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,361361,00.html Tatum O'Neal Released After Drug Arrest], [[Associated Press]], ''[[Fox News Channel|Fox News]]'', June 02, 2008.&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[James Dean]] was frequently stopped and ticketed for many driving offenses.<br />
*Redmond O'Neal, son of [[Farrah Fawcett]] and [[Ryan O'Neal]], pled guilty to possessing heroin and methamphetamine as well as driving under the influence of drugs.&lt;ref&gt;http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080627/ap_on_en_ot/people_redmond_o_neal;_ylt=AiQCBwpJpxqBOFWVyqEycXsDW7oF Redmond O'Neal pleads guilty to drug charges&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Actor]] Nick Nolte was arrested for drunk driving in 2002.&lt;ref&gt;http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/nolte1.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Sean Bean]] was arrested and spent the night in a cell after allegedly beating his wife.&lt;ref&gt;http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5hR3pX0eEytJcMo7m5LRLHOYpasSA&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Shelley Malil]], 43, worked as an actor in [[movies]] and [[television]]. He is charged with causing great bodily injury and using a deadly weapon on Kendra Beebe, a 35-year-old [[mother]] of two. He appeared on the back patio of Kendra's house and stabbed her 20 times. Now held on a $10 million dollar bond. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Aug13/0,4670,ActorArrested,00.html 40-Year-Old Virgin' actor pleads not guilty] AP, August 13, 2008&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Former child actor [[Skylar Deleon]], who had a minor part in one episode of the ''Power Rangers'' series, was found guilty of three murders, including those of Tom and Jackie Hawks, who were allegedly bound to the anchor of their yacht and tossed overboard. &lt;ref&gt;[http://articles.latimes.com/2008/oct/21/local/me-deleon21 Deleon guilty of killing couple at sea<br />
&lt;/ref&gt; He was subsequently sentenced to death.&lt;ref&gt;http://www.dcourier.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&amp;SubSectionID=1&amp;ArticleID=66850&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Musician George O'Dowd, better known by his stage name, [[Boy George]] in the [[1980s]] band [[Culture Club]], was convicted for handcuffing a male escort to a bed against his will and then beating him with a chain.&lt;ref&gt;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1092168/Guilty-Boy-George-warned-judge-faces-jail-falsely-imprisoning-male-escort.html&lt;/ref&gt; He served 4 months of his 15-month sentence in jail, and then spent an additional 90 days on home detention with electronic surveillance. Earlier he had been convicted of cocaine possession.<br />
*Dana Plato was arrested for armed robbery and prescription forgery.<br />
*Todd Bridges assaulted a motorist and was repeatedly arrested for drug-related offenses.<br />
*Gary Coleman was arrested for assaulting a woman by punching her in the face.<br />
*Musician/Producer [[Phil Spector]] was found guilty of second-degree murder for the shooting death of actress Lana Clarkson. &lt;ref&gt;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30194936/&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Actor Elmore &quot;Rip&quot; Torn was arrested for breaking into a bank and carrying a firearm while intoxicated. In 2009, he was given probation in a drunk-driving case. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2010/01/30/actor-rip-torn-arrested-allegedly-breaking-connecticut-bank/?test=latestnews Actor Rip Torn Arrested for Allegedly Breaking Into Connecticut Bank, Fox News, January 30, 2010]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Former teen actor Leif Garrett was arrested for possession of a controlled substance. He has a number of former arrests including [[heroin]] possession. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/02/03/crimesider/entry6170622.shtml Leif Garrett Arrested: Former Teen Idol Busted for Controlled Substance, CBS News, February 3, 2010]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Sean Penn]] was charged with criminal battery and vandalism for attacking the paparazzi in October 2009. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/19/sean-penn-crime-battery-vandalism-prosecution-jail-paparazzi/ Sean Penn Charged With Crimes, TMZ, February 19, 2010]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Comedian [[Andy Dick]] was arrested for groping an employee and a patron of a nightclub in West Virginia. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.herald-dispatch.com/breaking/x818845820/Andy-Dick-arrested-by-HPD Andy Dick charged with felony, shows still on, Herald Dispatch, January 23, 2010]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Actor Nicholas Brendon from ''Buffy the Vampire Slayer'' and ''Criminal Minds'' was arrested March 2010 in a drunken scuffle with police. He was charged with resisting arrest, two counts of battery against a police officer and felony vandalism. Brendon has a history of alcoholism.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.popeater.com/2010/04/07/nicholas-brendon-arrested-charged/ 'Buffy The Vampire Slayer' Star Charged With Police Battery, Vandalism, PopEater.com, April 7, 2010]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Hollywood television producer Bruce Beresford-Redman of CBS's ''Survivor'' series was arrested as the lead suspect in the murder of his wife. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2010/04/08/mexican-official-hollywood-tv-producer-suspect-wifes-death/?test=latestnews 'Survivor' Producer 'Suspected' in Wife's Death in Mexico, FOX News, April 8, 2010]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Actor Chris Klein, star of the ''American Pie'' films, which glorify sex and alcohol abuse, was arrested for drunk driving in June 2010&lt;ref&gt;http://www.tmz.com/2010/06/16/american-pie-chris-klein-busted-for-dui-arrest/&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Actor Michael Brea played roles in ''Ugly Betty'' and ''Step Up 3D'', killed his 55-year old mother with a sword while yelling Bible verses. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/11/24/ugly-betty-actor-allegedly-kills-mother-foot-sword-screaming-repent/ 'Ugly Betty' Actor Allegedly Kills Mother With 3-Foot Sword While Screaming 'Repent', FOX News, November 24, 2010]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*TV host and actor [[Gary Collins]] was arrested and charged with a felony for allegedly leaving a restaurant without paying his $59.35 tab. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/01/05/tv-host-gary-collins-arrested-skipping-restaurant/ TV Host Gary Collins Arrested for Skipping Out on $59 Restaurant Bill, FOXNews, January 5, 2011]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Actress Jaime Pressly was arrested for driving under the influence. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/01/11/jaime-pressly-wasted-dui-arrest/ Jaime Pressly Blew Nearly Three Times Legal Limit on Breathalyzer Before Arrest, Fox News, January 11, 2011 ]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Korey Rowe, producer of the 9/11 conspiracy film ''Loose Change'', was arrested for selling heroin.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/01/31/conspiracy-film-producer-arrested-drug-charges/?test=latestnews 9/11 Conspiracy Film Producer Arrested on Drug Charges, Fox News, January 31, 2011]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Lindsay Lohan is facing felony grand theft charges; she was charged with stealing a $2500 necklace from a Venice boutique.&lt;ref&gt;[ttp://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/02/05/lindsay-lohan-facing-years-state-prison-jewelry-theft Lindsay Lohan Facing Three Years in State Prison, Fox News, February 5, 2011]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Christina Aguilera was arrested under the misdemeanor charge of public intoxication.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/03/01/christina-aguilera-arrested-public-intoxication-report-says/?test=faces Christina Aguilera Arrested for Public Intoxication, Fox News, March 1, 2011]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Actor Tom Sizemore was arrested on an outstanding warrant for battery. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/09/20/actor-tom-sizemore-arrested-on-outstanding-battery-warrant-report-says/#ixzz1YVp32AsJ Actor Tom Sizemore Arrested, Fox News, September 20, 2011]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Canadian filmmaker Roger Avery, who had collaborated with Quentin Tarantino in the past, was convicted of drunk driving and vehicular manslaughter in August 2009.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/film/story/2009/08/21/avary-plea.html Pulp Fiction writer pleads guilty over deadly car crash - CBC0]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Christian Bale]] was arrested for assaulting his mother.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,388124,00.html Christian Bale Arrested for Allegedly Assaulting Mother, Sister; Actor Denies Allegation - Fox News]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Nicole Polizzi]], star of the reality show ''Jersey Shore'', was arrested in July 2010 for disorderly conduct and a month later was fined $500 for the charges that followed.&lt;ref&gt;[http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/entertainment/2012835886_apusjerseyshorearrest.html MTV's `Snooki' fined $500 for disturbing beachgoers - The Seattle Times]&lt;/ref&gt; On May 31, 2011 she got into troubles with the law once more, this time in [[Italy]].&lt;ref&gt;p[http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/90050118?Snooki%20crashes%20into%20police%20patrol%20car%20in%20Florence%2C%20Causes%20traffic%20jam Snooki crashes into police patrol car in Florence, Causes traffic jam]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[David Faustino]], known primarily for playing Bud in ''[[Married With Children]]'', was arrested in 2007 for possessing marijuana.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,272977,00.html 'Married With Children' Actor David Faustino Arrested on Marijuana, Intoxication Charges - Fox News]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Actress Natasha Lyonne has a long history of crime and drug use.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/theater/06simo.html When Living at All Is the Best Revenge - The New York Times]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Hollywood producer Robert Evans was convicted in 1980 of possessing cocaine.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.nytimes.com/1993/05/20/movies/the-rise-and-fall-and-now-rise-of-robert-evans.html?pagewanted=all&amp;src=pm The Rise and Fall and, Now, Rise of Robert Evans - New York Times]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Pop star Gary Glitter was conivcted several times on charges related to child pornography and statutory rape.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1088318/Take-Sex-Offender-Registry-says-Gary-Glitter--taxpayers-fund-appeal.html Take me off Sex Offender Registry, says Gary Glitter... and taxpayers will fund his appeal - The Daily Mail]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Former child actor Taran Noah Smith from &quot;Home Improvement&quot; was arrested for a DUI and drug possession. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/02/01/home-improvement-kid-busted-for-dui-and-drug-possession/?intcmp=obnetwork 'Home Improvement' actor Taran Noah Smith busted for DUI, drug possession, Fox News, February 2, 2012]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Zsa Zsa Gabor]] slapped a policeman in [[Beverly Hills]] in 1989 when she was stopped for a traffic violation.<br />
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== Falsehoods ==<br />
''See also: [[Essay:Worst Liberal Movies]]''<br />
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[[Hollywood values]] perpetuate [[liberal]]-driven [[Essay:Liberal Falsehoods|falsehoods]]:<br />
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*[[The Road We’ve Traveled]]<br />
:20 minute mini-documentary on [[Barack Obama]], narrated by actor [[Tom Hanks]], is more fiction than fact, more fantasy than reality.<br />
*[[Game Change]] <br />
:HBO's anti-Republican propaganda film about [[Sarah Palin]]. Stars and Executives of the production gave $200K to Democrats, Zero to Republicans. &lt;ref&gt;[http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/03/07/game-change-stars-and-execs-gave-200k-democrats-zero-republicans#ixzz1oUdT6O5w 'Game Change' Stars and Execs Gave $200K to Democrats, Zero to Republicans, Newsbusters, March 7, 2012&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Inside Job]]<br />
:A 2010 film by Democrat donor Charles Ferguson that blames the Great Recession on [[Wall Street]], deregulation, the [[Bush Administration]]. The film whitewashes Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac's role and claims the financial system corrupted politics. Capitalists are the bad guys.<br />
*[[Fair Game]]<br />
:Another Bush bash flick starring communist [[Sean Penn]]. 2010 film rehashes the lead up to the war in Iraq and [[Valerie Plame]]'s role. Typical un-American Hollywood film ''&quot;The narrative that [[Karl Rove]] and Dick Cheney’s Chief of Staff [[Scooter Libby]] were nefarious behind-the-scenes players intent on destroying innocent reputations while pushing the nation into war on false pretenses.&quot;'' &lt;ref&gt;[http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/10/hollywood-hit-job-fair-game-propagates-easily-disprovable-myths-about-lead-up-to-iraq-war/ Hollywood hit job: ‘Fair Game’ propagates easily disprovable myths about lead up to Iraq War http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/10/hollywood-hit-job-fair-game-propagates-easily-disprovable-myths-about-lead-up-to-iraq-war The Daily Caller, November 11, 2010]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[The Iron Lady]]<br />
: Meryl Streep plays [[Margaret Thatcher]] in this gross mistake of a film. Liberals distort her triumphs and her low career points. Streep portrays Thatcher as a dementia-sufferer looking back at her life with sadness. The director defended the film as &quot;a fictional film but it will be fair and accurate.” Thatcher's children Mark and Carol are appalled and say “They think it sounds like some Left-wing fantasy.&quot; &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/7895160/Margaret-Thatchers-family-are-appalled-at-Meryl-Streep-film.html Margaret Thatcher's family are 'appalled' at Meryl Streep film, Telegraphe.co.uk, July 17, 2010]&lt;/ref&gt; <br />
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*[[The Tillman Story]]<br />
:A liberals view of the circumstances surrounding the death of football star and Army Ranger [[Pat Tillman]]. The film portrays each and every fact as sinister. Plus, each and every fact is evidence of a conspiracy. Typical Hollywood [[George W. Bush]] bashing flick. The bias was clear, make Tillman a liberal atheist anti-war hero that was cannon-fodder for the government. Tillman's actions speak louder than any twisted accusations presented in this documentary. &lt;ref&gt;[http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/kschlichter/2010/07/13/the-tillman-story-dont-let-the-facts-get-in-the-way-of-your-agenda/ FILM REVIEW: Absurd Conspiracy Theories Abound in Agenda-Driven ‘Tillman Story’, BigHollywood.com]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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*[[Matthew Shepard Fallacy]]<br />
:Adherents to Hollywood values &quot;green-lighted a troika of [[Matthew Shepard]] movies after he was senselessly killed because it affirmed their gut feeling that a gay young man living in backward America is destined for death at the hands of hateful ultraconservatives. A street in West Hollywood still stands in his name despite ABC News reporting the story false: He was killed by crazed meth addicts for drugs and money -- not because he was gay. Isn't that tragic enough? Yet Shepard is still the icon of gay victims' rights, and the mistaken story of his 'fate' soon thereafter befell Jake Gyllenhaal's character in 'Brokeback Mountain.' The Oscar statuette stands as the exclamation point.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-op-dustup26sep26,0,1800794,full.story&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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*[[Inherit the Wind]] <br />
:Hollywood perpetuated complete lies about the [[Scopes Trial]] in order to smear Christianity, including:<br />
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:*portraying [[William Jennings Bryan]] as being ignorant, harsh and punitive, based on a false portrayal of his actions and testimony<br />
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:*falsely claiming that at the end Bryan, in a senseless fit of madness, died in the courtroom amid caring and reasonable Darwinists<br />
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:*falsely portraying the Darwinists in a positive light and the Christians as deceitful<br />
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:In real life, Bryan and the Christians won the trial and were charitable to the end, while the Darwinist Darrow was deceitful in reneging on his deal to take the witness stand after Bryan did.<br />
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*[[U 571]]<br />
:The 2000 film [[U 571]] had a plot which was based on the first capture of a German Enigma machine in [[World War 2]]. However, in the film the capture is made by Americans. In fact the first Enigma machine was captured by the British in 1941 prior to the Americans entering the war.<br />
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*[[Better This World]]<br />
:2011 documentary &quot;feature length lie&quot; is a [[PBS]] film regarding the thwarted domestic terrorist attack at the 2008 [[Republican]] National Convention and [[liberal]]s attempt to re-write history. &lt;ref&gt;[http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hgiles/2011/04/04/better-this-world-another-chapter-in-hollywoods-love-affair-with-terrorists/ ‘Better This World’: Another Chapter in Hollywood’s Love Affair With Terrorists]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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*[[Recount-film]]<br />
:The 2008 [[HBO]] movie on the 2000 Presidential elections and its aftermath in Florida. A look into how the [[Republicans]] stole the election and the role of its party members that made it happen. Republicans are portrayed as ghoulish and cited as manufacturing demonstrations. Both the real Warren Christopher and James Baker contend the film’s portrayal of the former is hopelessly untrue. &lt;ref&gt;[http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/hbos-recount-hanging-chads-and-black-humor/ HBO’s Recount: Hanging Chads, Black Humor] The Washington Times, May 4, 2008&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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*[[Winter Soldiers]]<br />
:The 1972 film about U.S. troops from Vietnam put on record as baby killers, human rights violators, and general disservice to America. This myth was propagated by a few anti-war activist liberal actors that never did see combat in [[Vietnam]] and some were never in the country. The initial result was to hold hearings in Congress over the matter. All allegations were proven fabrications, falsehoods, and lies.<br />
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*[[An Inconvenient Truth]]<br />
:The 2006 false documentary about man-made [[global warming]] created &amp; hyped by [[Al Gore]]. A [[British]] court found the film contained at least [http://www.conservapedia.com/Global_warming#Al_Gore.27s_.22Inconvenient_Truth.22_Movie_Claims 11 material falsehoods]. The Science and Public Policy Institute has found 35 falsehoods associated with the film. &lt;ref&gt;[http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/monckton/goreerrors.html 35 Inconvenient Truths, Science and Public Policy Institute]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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*[[Million Dollar Baby]] <br />
:A 2004 [[Clint Eastwood]] pro-[[euthanasia]] film in which Eastwood euthanasies his boxing trainee at her request after she suffered a crippling blow from her opponent that left her incurable. Especially controversial since 2005 when real life [[Terri Schiavo]] was euthanasied by her husband.<br />
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*[[Kinsey]]<br />
:Also 2004. A [[Bill Condon]] film depicting the life of fraudulent sex researcher [[Alfred Kinsey]]. Especially anti-Christian in early scenes' portrayals of Christians as narrow-minded, hypocritical, mean-spirited and stingy. Normalizes all forms of illict sex, esp. homosexual (of which Condon is an activist for), which resulted in the current [[venereal disease]] epidemics (i.e. [[AIDS]]), widespread [[abortion]], [[divorce]], [[pornography]], [[sex crimes]] and [[unmarried parenting]] and related urban poverty and violence by irresponsible parents.<br />
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*[[Brokeback Mountain]]<br />
:2005. Like [[Kinsey]], it's also extremely graphic and pro-homosexual in its story of an off and on &quot;romance&quot; between two rural [[Wyoming]] cowboys during the 1960s-1980s.<br />
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*[[Fahrenheit 911]]<br />
:A [[Michael Moore]] film that was a false portrayal of why America fought a war against [[Saddam Hussein]]'s Iraq. The main theme was to attack [[George W. Bush]] during wartime.<br />
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*[[Sicko]]<br />
:Another [[Michael Moore]] film which spread many falsehoods about American healthcare while unduly glorifying the so-called benefits of socialized healthcare. Memorably referred to Cuban healthcare as being better than American healthcare.<br />
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*[[Redacted]]<br />
:Brian De Palma’s 2007 fictional anti-Iraq War film funded by [[Mark Cuban]]. The film is credited with inspiring a terrorist attack that killed two U.S. servicemen in [[Germany]]. &lt;ref&gt;[http://weaselzippers.us/2011/03/11/confirmed-german-authorities-say-de-palmas-anti-military-movie-redacted-motivated-frankfurt-jihadi-to-murder-american-airmen/ Confirmed: German Authorities Say De Palma’s Anti-Military Movie “Redacted” Motivated Frankfurt Jihadi to Murder American Airmen, March 11, 2011]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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==Disrespect for marriage==<br />
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Many celebrities and other exponents of Hollywood Values have no respect for the sanctity of marriage - their own or anyone else's. This is manifested in a high rate of marriage breakdown, and by the home-wrecking activities of the promiscuous, whose moral outlooks have been distorted by liberal and atheistic teachings.<br />
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*In 1978 [[Ted Nugent]] started a relationship with then seventeen-year-old [[Hawaii]] native Pele Massa. Due to Massa being a minor at the time, Nugent could not marry her. Instead he joined Massa's parents in signing documents to make himself her [[legal guardian]].&lt;ref name=Spin2000&gt;{{Cite journal|last=Spitz|first=Marc|month=October|year=2000|work=The 100 Sleaziest Moments in Rock|title=Wang Dang Technically Legal Poontang: Whether Hunting or Romancing, the Nuge Likes Fresh Meat|journal=Spin|volume=16|issue=10|page=134|issn=0886-3032|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=HTMuhxamaFEC&amp;pg=PA134|accessdate=August 23, 2010}}&lt;/ref&gt; In 1995 Nugent fathered a child out of wedlock.&lt;ref&gt;http://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&amp;newsitemID=38423&lt;/ref&gt; He was already married at the time to his current wife, Shemane Nugent (né Deziel).&lt;ref&gt;http://entertainment.blogs.foxnews.com/2012/08/10/how-these-rock-stars-met-their-wives/&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Cecil B. Demille]], despite his direction of popular [[Biblical epics]], committed [[adultery]] during his marriage. <br />
*[[Ingrid Bergman]], Swedish actress who achieved U.S. fame in the 1940s with ''[[Casablanca]]'' (1942) and ''[[The Bells Of St. Mary's]]'' (1945). In 1950, Ingrid, who was married to fellow Swede, Peter Lindstrom, had an affair with director Roberto Rosellini while in Italy while filming his direction of ''[[Stromboli]]'' (1950) and remained there after becoming pregnant with his child. This caused her to be blacklisted from U.S. films for several years and denounced from pulpits as &quot;an agent of evil&quot; until her comeback in ''[[Anastasia]]'' (1956). Her marriage to Rosellini, like the one to Lindstrom, ended in divorce, as did her third and last marriage afterwards to Lars Schmidt. Bergman died August 29, 1982 in London on the night of her 67th birthday.<br />
*[[Bonnie Lee Bakely]] was married ten times, divorced four, annuled five and her last marriage (to [[Robert Blake]]) was the only one ending in death-hers in 2001.<br />
*[[Humphrey Bogart]], His first three marriages ended in divorce and his fourth (to [[Lauren Bacall]]) was the only one ending in death-his from throat cancer in 1957, age 51.<br />
*[[Joan Crawford]] (real name Lucille Fay LeSueur), last of Hollywood's &quot;movie queens&quot; with roles spanning 45 years (1925-1970, most of her popularity in the 1930s) and long since a [[homosexual]] [[idol]], was married and divorced three times and named as the other woman in at least one affair with a married man. Her fourth and last marriage to Pepsi Company's president Alfred Steele was the only one ending in death (his in 1959). When Joan died in 1977, her public disinheriting of her two oldest remaining adopted children from her $2M estate &quot;for reasons that should be well known to them&quot; was said to have caused her oldest daughter, Christina, to write her best-selling book ''[[Mommie Dearest]]'' (1978, adapted into film in 1981), which alleged a lifetime of [[extramarital affairs]], [[alcoholism]] and selfishness-induced [[child abuse]] at a time when child abuse was rarely talked about in public. Unfortunately, like her adoptive mother, Christina also got married and divorced three times in her own lifetime.<br />
*[[Frances Farmer]], who as a [[public school]]er in 1931, denied God in a controversial award winning high school essay and in 1935, visited the [[USSR]], was also popular in the 1930s to the point of being considered &quot;the next [[Greta Garbo]]&quot;, had three marriages at least two of whom ended in divorce, with extramarital affairs during at least one that included one with married writer Clifford Odets. She also had multiple [[abortions]] when abortion was illegal; the guilt of which caused her to avoid all contact with children. In 1958, however, when she moved to [[Indianapolis]] (she died there in 1970 at age 56), a friend's child whispered to her that she was &quot;good&quot;, something that nobody ever said or thought about her before. Soon afterwards, she went to St. [[Joan of Arc]] Catholic Church in where she went to [[confession]] of all her sins and took up classes about and in 1959 was baptized into the Catholic faith, turning away from her former lifestyle.<br />
*[[Judy Garland]], best known as &quot;Dorothy Gale&quot; in ''[[The Wizard Of Oz]]'' had five marriages, the first four ended in divorce, the last ended only three months later in her death in [[London]] from a barbituate O.D. in 1969 at age 46.<br />
*[[Florence Henderson]], despite her wholesome ''Carol Brady'' image on ''[[The Brady Bunch]]'', fell victim to these values ([[adultery]]) during her first marriage to Ira Bernstein in the late 1960s and early 1970s in an affair with [[New York City]]'s then-mayor John Lindsay, who she claims gave her crab lice. She divorced Berstein in 1985 and married John Kappas in 1987, which lasted until his death in 2002.<br />
*[[Katharine Hepburn]], whose movie and TV career spanned over 60 years, married to get money for her career in 1928 at age 21. It ended in divorce in 1941, after about 13 years. Shortly afterwards, she entered into adulterous relationships with her agent, [[Leland Hayward]] as well as [[Howard Hughes]] and [[Spencer Tracy]], the latter for 26 years until Tracy's death in 1967 at 67. The only &quot;respect&quot; Katharine had for Spencer's marriage was that she didn't attend Spencer's funeral. <br />
*[[Lana Turner]] Seven of her eight of her marriages ended in divorce and one in [[annulment]]. Two of them (her second &amp; third) were to the same man.<br />
*[[Larry King]] (real name Lawrence Zeiger) has been married eight (8) times to seven (7) different women.<br />
*[[Elizabeth Taylor]] has been married eight (8) times, including a nearly 6-year marriage to [[John Warner|Senator John Warner]] (R-VA). Taylor was married to and divorced twice from [[Richard Burton]].&lt;ref&gt;http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000072/bio&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Spencer Tracy]], best known as Father Flannigan in both ''[[Boys Town]]'' films (1938 and 1941) and also for the pro- [[evolution]] ''[[Inherit The Wind]]'' (1960) and post [[World War II]] court drama ''[[Judgment at Nuremberg]]'' (1961), was married to Louise Ten Broeck Treadwell from 1923-his death in 1967 but engaged in affairs with [[Joan Crawford]], [[Ingrid Bergman]] and his longest one with [[Katharine Hepburn]] until his death at the same time, claiming his &quot;devout Catholic faith&quot; was why he never got or sought a divorce from Treadwell. <br />
*[[Valerie Bertinelli]] said her divorce from [[Eddie Van Halen]] was caused by infidelity and drug use - by her too. She said she was &quot;destroying my body,&quot; trying to keep up with a rock-star lifestyle. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,332551,00.html Valerie Bertinelli About Divorce From Eddie Van Halen: 'I Wasn't An Angel Either'], [[Fox News Channel]], ''[[Associated Press]]'', February 26, 2008&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Eva Gabor]], younger sister of [[Zsa Zsa Gabor]], was married and divorced five times and had extramarital affairs with [[Frank Sinatra]] among others.<br />
*[[Zsa Zsa Gabor]] has been married nine (9) times. One of her marriages - to Felipe de Alba - was annulled after one day. Her current (9th) marriage to Frederic Prinz von Anhalt is the only one that is still intact.<br />
*[[Mickey Rooney]] has been married eight (8) times, but has been with his last wife for 30 years after embracing religion and abandoning his previous lifestyle.<br />
*[[Frank Sinatra]] was married four times, divorced the first three, had affairs with [[Ava Gardener]] and [[Zsa Zsa Gabor]] and had flings with [[prostitutues]]. <br />
*[[Charlie Chaplin]] married four (4) times, including his marriage at the age of 54 to an 18-year-old bride.<br />
*[[James Cameron]] has been married five (5) times, one of which ended when he cheated on his wife. He also had an out of wedlock child with his fourth wife.<br />
*[[Johnny Carson]] married four (4) times, and frequently made light of his having divorced three times, as if this were something funny.<br />
*[[Meredith Baxter]] from ''[[Family Ties]]'', was married and divorced four (4) times. In 2009, she finally admitted that she is a [[homosexual]].<br />
*[[Larry Flynt]]'s first three marriages ended in divorce, his fourth marriage was the only one ending in [[widow]]ment (his by Althea's death) and his current one to Elizabeth Berrios in 1998 came when his daughter, Toyna, published her book ''Hustled'' in which she claims she was sexually abused as a child by him and has since been disowned when she became a [[Christian]] and anti-[[pornography]] [[activist]].<br />
*In 2009, the married [[David Letterman]] admitted to having had adulterous sexual relationships with multiple members of his staff; he had previously fathered a child out of wedlock.<br />
*[[Jayne Mansfield]] was married three times and had numerous extramarital affairs. She appeared in the centerfold of the pornographic magazine Playboy, and died in 1967 at 42 in an automobile accident that was said to have been brought on by a curse placed by [[Satanist]] [[Anton LaVey]] on her lover, [[Sam Brody]], who was driving at the time and had also died, after expressing his hate for LaVey's cult.<br />
*[[Britney Spears]]' 2004 marriage to Jason Alexander lasted 55 hours.<br />
*Musicians [[Cher]] and [[Gregg Allman]] were married for eight days in 1975.<br />
*[[Drew Barrymore]] has two of the shortest celebrity marriages on record, one of 30 days and a five-month marriage to notorious lowbrow comedian Tom Green. Barrymore is a poster child for Hollywood values, as a former child star who became an alcoholic and drug addict who also posed for pornographic magazines.<br />
*[[Arnold Schwarzenegger]], made public that he had an adulterous relationship and fathered a child with another woman.<br />
*[[Halle Berry]], a fanatic supporter of [[Barack Hussein Obama]]&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8605.html Obamamania verges on obsession - Politico]&lt;/ref&gt;, had been married two times in the past and gave birth out of wedlock.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2009/08/21/celebrities-kids-wedlock/ Celebrities Who Had Kids Out of Wedlock - Fox News]&lt;/ref&gt; Later on, Berry and her baby's father Gabriel Aubry had split and a custody battle between the two ensued.&lt;ref&gt;[http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/halle-berrys-latest-blunder-gabriel-aubry/story?id=12813387 Gabriel Aubry: Another Bad Apple for Halle Berry? - ABC News]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Eddie Murphy]] impregnated former Spice Girl Melanie Brown without marrying her&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20043487,00.html Mel B: DNA Proves Eddie Murphy Fathered Her Baby - People Magazine]&lt;/ref&gt; and later on severed all contact with Melanie and their daughter.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/news/a101281/mel-b-writes-song-about-eddie-murphy.html Mel B writes song about Eddie Murphy - Digital Spy]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Kim Kardashian]] and [[NBA]] player [[Kris Humphries]] got divorced after 72 days.&lt;ref&gt;[http://articles.philly.com/2011-11-01/news/30346165_1_kris-humphries-kim-and-kris-kim-kardashian#ixzz1cVCWcXKK Sideshow: Smash go Kim and Kris - The Philadelphia Inquirer]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Producer [[Robert Evans]] has been divorced seven times.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,1205936,00.html Divorce No. 7 for Producer Robert Evans - People Magazine]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Actor [[Gary Oldman]] had been married four times.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/gary-oldman-the-spy-who-came-in-and-brought-the-cold-with-him-2356597.html Gary Oldman: The spy who came in, and brought the cold with him - The Independent]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Pamela Anderson]] has been divorced three times and her latest marriage lasted for only two months.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2008-02-26-pamela-anderson_N.htm Anderson seeks annulment of marriage to Salomon - USA Today]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Gregg Allman]], founding member of The Allman Brothers band, has been married six times and is engaged once again. He has a new memoir out with a Christian title &quot;My Cross to Bear&quot;. [http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2150083/Gregg-Allman-engaged-girlfriend-Shannon-Allman-Brothers-singer-64-marry-blonde-24.html]<br />
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== Offensive Behavior/Moral depravity ==<br />
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* [[Alec Baldwin]], now star of [[30 Rock]], made an obscene phone call in 2007 to his small daughter, Ireland, calling her, among other things, &quot;a thoughtless little pig&quot;.<br />
* [[James Dean]] displayed an unhealthy interest in a 12 year old boy.<br />
* [[Charlie Sheen]] to Wife Brooke Mueller: &quot;I'll Kill You.&quot; &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2010/08/09/charlie-sheen-wife-brook-mueller-ill-kill-you/?test=latestnews Charlie Sheen to Wife Brooke Mueller: &quot;I'll Kill You&quot;]&lt;/ref&gt;. Sheen was arrested on Christmas Day, 2009 for domestic abuse of his current wife Brooke. He was booked for second-degree assault, menacing, and criminal mischief. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2009/12/25/actor-charlie-sheen-arrested-domestic-violence-charges/?test=faces Actor Charlie Sheen Released From Jail After Domestic Abuse Arrest, Fox News, December 25, 2009]&lt;/ref&gt; Sheen has a history that includes assaults against girlfriends and his former wife. He is also infamous for drug/alcohol abuse, having tried (and failed) numerous attempts in rehab clinics. He was fired from the sitcom ''Two and A Half Men'' where, in true Hollywood hypocrisy, he played an &quot;amusingly&quot; alcohol-abusing ladies' man, except the lifestyle proves consequence-free-at least from bad results. Sheen has become dangerously unhinged in recent weeks and has been making increasingly bizarre rants online. No one from Hollywood has yet to step in.<br />
* Trashing hotel rooms is a favorite form of offensive behavior by Hollywood types. Many examples are readily available on the [[internet]].&lt;ref&gt;See, e.g., [http://www.budgettravel.com/bt-dyn/content/article/2007/12/21/AR2007122101034.html]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Mel Gibson]], who had started drinking again, was arrested in 2006 after being stopped for driving at 84 mph in a 45 mph zone on a notoriously dangerous road in Malibu, California.&lt;ref&gt;''Mel Gibson apologizes after DUI arrest'' [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14080210/ Associated Press]&lt;/ref&gt; A breathalyzer test confirmed he was drunk and next to him was an open bottle of Tequila; after being arrested he hurled anti-Semitic abuse at the Jewish police officer who stopped him.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2292336,00.html Mel Gibson rants against Jews in a drunk-driving arrest], Times Online, July 30, 2006&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*The parents of [[Miley Cyrus]], just 15 years old, allowed [[Annie Liebowitz]] to pose the starlet without a shirt or bra (nominally [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/topless &quot;topless&quot;]) and with just a sheet covering her front for Vanity Fair magazine.&lt;ref&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/28/business/media/28hannah.html?_r=1&amp;oref=slogin&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20195785,00.html&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23608789-5001026,00.html&lt;/ref&gt; &quot;I took part in a photo shoot that was supposed to be 'artistic' and now, seeing the photographs and reading the story, I feel so embarrassed,&quot; Cyrus said Sunday in a statement through her publicist. &quot;I never intended for any of this to happen and I apologize to my fans who I care so deeply about.&quot; &lt;ref&gt;http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gYLnT2kyPIgNUurQ71aNM3EJKpRAD90ARTGO0&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
:&quot;... a situation was created to deliberately manipulate a 15-year-old in order to sell magazines,&quot; a network statement said. &lt;ref&gt;http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gYLnT2kyPIgNUurQ71aNM3EJKpRAD90ARTGO0&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Many Hollywood stars who have purposely sought fame have then turned violent upon photographers and fans. [[Sean Penn]] is well known to lash out at photographers.<br />
*The parents of 16-year old Jamie Lynn Spears allowing her unwed pregnancy to be publicly portrayed as a normal act even though she is a role model for millions of underage teenagers. Gloucester, [[Massachusetts]] mayor, Carolyn Kirk, recently blamed the glamorizing of teen pregnancy by Jamie Lynn Spears for the 17 high school teenagers that got pregnant at the same time that Spears did. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2008/06/gloucester_mayo.html Gloucester mayor rebuts report of teen pregnancy pact], June 23, 2008&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Ellen DeGeneres]] proudly displays her [[gay]] sexuality for all to see. On August 16, 2008, DeGeneres &quot;married&quot; Portia de Rossi in a small ceremony in Beverly Hills. Fox News called it &quot;the biggest celebrity union since California legalized same-sex marriage.&quot; &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,405085,00.html Reports: Ellen DeGeneres and Portia de Rossi Wed] AP, August 17, 2008&lt;/ref&gt; Now, her fans and millions of young girls can read about her gay &quot;marriage&quot; in magazines such as People and Us Magazine and hear about it on celebrity news television shows.<br />
*Rapper [[Kanye West]] and his bodyguard attacked the paparazzi at [[LAX]] airport and allegedly smashed a $10,000 camera on the floor. The pair were arrested for felony vandalism. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,420869,00.html Kanye West Arrested in Altercation With Paparazzi] Ap, September 11, 2008&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Heather Locklear]] was arrested on suspicion of driving under the influence of a controlled substance. The officer noticed Locklear's car parked on a state highway and blocking a lane in Montecito, Ca. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,429388,00.html Heather Locklear Arrested on Suspicion of DUI] AP, September 29, 2008&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Celebrity of the moment [[Kourtney Kardashian]] gave a risque lingerie shoot while pregnant with her boyfriend's child. After birth, Mom and baby adorned magazine covers, highlighting the modern acceptance of single motherhood. The cover reads ''&quot;Baby Mason will bring our family together,&quot;'' obscuring the traditional meaning of family. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/entertainment/2009/10/16/kardashian-sisters?slide=2 The Kardashian Family, Fox News]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Actor [[Jude Law]] had a sexual relationship with model Samantha Burke that produced a daughter. It is reported that Law finally went to visit his daughter for the first time, 5 months after she was born. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.celebrity-gossip.net/celebrities/hollywood/jude-law-makes-first-visit-to-love-child-216056/ Jude Law Makes First Visit To Love Child, CelebrityGossip.net, March 1, 2010]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Actor [[Tom Hanks]] called Mormons 'un-American' for their support of Proposition 8 in California. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2009/01/23/tom-hanks-apologizes-calling-mormon-supporters-proposition-american/ Tom Hanks Apologizes for Calling Mormon Supporters of Proposition 8 'Un-American', Fox News, January 23, 2009]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Woody Allen]] seduced and took pornographic photographs of the youthful daughter of his then girlfriend [[Mia Farrow]].<br />
*Director John Waters claims that is biggest influence for his &quot;films&quot; are pornographic movies. In addition, he is openly gay and thinks he's okay.<br />
*[[John Cusack]] calls for a Satanic death cult to descend on Fox News, Dick Armey, Newt Gingrich and GOP welfare freaks. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2010/08/31/actor-john-cusack-calls-satanic-death-fox-news-gop-leaders/?test=faces John Cusack Calls for 'Satanic Death' of Fox News, GOP Leaders, FOXNews, August 31, 2010]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Brad Pitt]], appearing in a Spike Lee film announces his desire to see BP executives get the death penalty. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.politico.com/click/stories/1008/pitt_death_penalty_for_bp.html Brad Pitt: Death Penalty For BP, Politico, August 23, 2010]&lt;/ref&gt; Pitt also admitted to having a history of drug use, and while he claims it belongs in his past [[Quentin Tarantino]] has said otherwise.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1207391/Brad-Pitt-offered-drugs-reveals-Quentin-Tarantino-actor-claims-quit-cannabis-years-ago.html 'Brad Pitt offered me drugs,' reveals Quentin Tarantino after actor claims he quit cannabis years ago - Daily Mail]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Tracy Morgan]] made lewd comments about [[Sarah Palin]].&lt;ref&gt;[http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/01/tnt_apologizes_for_tracy_morga.html TNT Apologizes for Tracy Morgan’s Sarah Palin Comment - New York Magazine]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Keith Richards]], guitarist of the [[Rolling Stones]], has said that he snorted his father's ashes.&lt;ref&gt;[http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/17933669/ns/today-entertainment/t/keith-richards-says-he-snorted-fathers-ashes/#.TrAYI3L4JJE Keith Richards says he snorted father's ashes - MSNBC]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*During one of his performances, [[Michael Richards]] lashed at a member of the audience with racial slurs.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/tv/story/2006/11/20/kramer-racial-slurs.html Richards 'deeply, deeply sorry' for racial slurs - CBC]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Larry Wachowski, one of the directors of [[The Matrix]], previously dressed in drag before receiving a sex change and now goes by Lana Wachowski.<br />
*International filmmaker, Federico Fellini did acid as a source of inspiration.<br />
*Trey Parker and Matt Stone, creators of [[South Park]], attended the 2000 Academy Award Ceremony while dressed in drag; later on they admitted to taking drugs prior to doing so.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.inquisitr.com/146670/trey-parker-and-matt-stone-say-acid-trip-was-behind-drag-appearance-at-2000-oscars/ Trey Parker and Matt Stone Say Acid Trip Was Behind Drag Appearance at 2000 Oscars - The Inquisitr]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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=== Hollywood actor Dan Akroyd on bestiality ===<br />
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''See also:'' [[Liberalism and bestiality]]<br />
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{{cquote| &quot;I draw the line at bestiality because it’s unfair to the dog or the cat. ''' If the dog or the cat had consciousness, then that’d be OK with me.''' Sexuality has nothing to do with morality.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2008/sep/08091610 In New Book Actor Dan Akroyd Says he Would Support Bestiality if Animals Were Sentient]&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br />
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== Hollywood &quot;humor&quot; ==<br />
Another manifestation of Hollywood's offensiveness and moral depravity is found in many of its &quot;comedy&quot; movies. More so than any other entertainment industry, many Hollywood productions rely on lowbrow, juvenile humor. Unlike more intelligent comedies of the early to mid-20th century (such as ''The Great Dictator'' or ''Arsenic and Old Lace''), many contemporary Hollywood comedies eschew intelligence, social commentary, wit or satire in favor of lower-hanging fruit, such as &quot;toilet humor,&quot; nudity/sex, gratuitous violence and shock value. Examples of such films include:<br />
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*''American Pie'' - a long-running film franchise primarily dealing with teenage sex and alcohol; it relies on jokes about sex and bodily functions<br />
*''Jackass'' - These films are essentially montages of ridiculous stunts and pranks with no coherent story<br />
*''[[Beavis and Butthead]]'' 1990s MTV series and its 1996 [[movie]] adaptation (&quot;Beavis and Butthead Do America&quot;) make fun of injuries and their related suffering and, in the movie version, &quot;moon&quot; (expose their buttockses) [[nuns]].<br />
*[[Mel Brooks]] ''History of The World Part I'' (1981) makes fun of, among other things, the [[Dawn of Man]] by showing [[cavemen]] breaking their feet and creating the first [[homosexual marriage]], [[Moses]] bringing the [[Ten Commandments]] to the Israelites by literally breaking the extra five, many sex jokes and a mockery of the [[Last Supper]] in its [[Roman Empire]] scenes, mocked the sufferings of [[Jews]] under 1489's [[Spanish Inquistion]] and shows France's King [[Louis XVI]] (played by Brooks) in the [[French Revolution]] scenes using real humans as skeet targets for his target practice games, while hypocritically saying, &quot;I detest violence&quot;.<br />
* TV [[sitcoms]] ''[[All In The Family]]'' and its first spinoff ''[[Maude]]'' included controversial subjects in an often depressing way. ''[[Maude]]'' for example, had its title character getting an [[abortion]] in its first year. Later sitcom entries ''[[Married With Children]]'', ''[[Roseanne]]'' and ''[[The Simpsons]]'' (latter is still running over 20 years on) are also full of such humor.<br />
*''[[South Park]]'' - uses constant iterations of urine, feces, farting and shock humor, such as jokes about [[abortion]], [[rape]] and the [[Holocaust]].<br />
*''There's Something About Mary'' - contains gratuitous sex and jokes about bodily functions<br />
*''[[Family Guy]]'' - notorious for its shock tactics, this show routinely employs willful tastelessness for comedic shock value. Examples include one regular character who is a pedophile, a pet dog who drinks heavily as well as constant Hitler jokes.<br />
*''[[Cheech and Chong]]'' films are the original [[pot]] pair.<br />
*''[[Harold and Kumar]]'' films - the adventures of the pot-smoking duo that play up ethnic stereotypes, a la Cheech &amp; Chong. <br />
*''[[Dogma]]''- a movie that makes fun of the Bible and religion.<br />
* Lowbrow comedies like ''Porky's'', ''Vacation'' ([[Chevy Chase]], Beverly D'Angelo), ''Police Academy'' and ''Revenge of The Nerds'' series are full of all of the above.<br />
* ''Heathers''&lt;ref&gt;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097493/&lt;/ref&gt; - a pathetically grim comedy featuring [[public school]] kids killing other students while making it look like suicide.<br />
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== Rehabilitation clinics ==<br />
Hollywood values often result in [[Celebrity|celebrities]] going into rehabilitation clinics. Here are some examples:<br />
*[[Anthony Michael Hall]], of teen &quot;humor&quot; pics ''[[Sixteen Candles]]'' and ''[[The Breakfast Club]]'' where he was a real life [[teenager]], was in rehab for [[alcoholism]].<br />
*[[Kirsten Dunst]] checked into the [[Cirque Lodge]] treatment facility in [[Utah]] after a week of hard partying at the [[Sundance Film Festival]], according to a source at the lodge, although the lodge's director of operations denies this. &lt;ref name = &quot;foxkirsten&quot;&gt;<br />
[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329545,00.html Reports Say Kirsten Dunst in Rehab; Rep for Facility Denies It], ''[[Fox News]]'', February 08, 2008&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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The following all checked into the above facility seeking treatment for various psychological problems:<br />
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*[[Lindsay Lohan]]&lt;ref name = &quot;foxkirsten&quot;/&gt;<br />
*[[Eva Mendes]]&lt;ref name = &quot;foxkirsten&quot;/&gt;<br />
*[[Mary-Kate Olsen]]&lt;ref name = &quot;foxkirsten&quot;/&gt;<br />
*[[Robert Downey Jr.]]<br />
*[[Courtney Love]]<br />
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*[[Heather Locklear]]&lt;ref&gt;&quot;A spokeswoman for the 47-year-old star said: 'Heather has been dealing with anxiety and depression.'&quot; She &quot;checked into a clinic in [[Arizona]] that treats depression.&quot;[http://www.pnas.org/content/101/11/3721.full]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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*[[David Arquette]], enters rehab for for treatment of alcohol abuse and depression. &lt;ref&gt;[http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/gossip/2011/01/david-arquette-rehab-alcohol-courteney-cox-arquette.html David Arquette enters rehab; Courteney Cox supportive, L.A. Times, January 3, 2011]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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*[[David Duchovny]], having boosted Hollywood Values through his role in a decadent television series, now finds himself trapped by the depravity that he promoted, and has had to enter rehab for his addiction to unchastity&lt;ref&gt;http://www.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUSN2835847820080829&lt;/ref&gt;.<br />
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== Hypocrisy ==<br />
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Hollywood personalities often propose legislation such as outlawing private gun ownership, or speak out against things such as anti-gun laws, but have at the same time acted in movies contrary to their own public opinions: <br />
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* [[George Clooney]] on hearing that fellow actor and gun-rights advocate, [[Charlton Heston]], suffers from Alzheimer's disease, said: ''&quot;I don't care. Charlton Heston is the head of the [[National Rifle Association]]. He deserves whatever anyone says about him.&quot;''&lt;ref&gt;http://www.funnyreign.com/quotes-georgeclooney.shtml&lt;/ref&gt; Clooney starred in the film ''The Peacemaker'', in which he played an American military man defending the country from a nuclear attack; scenes in the film showed him using a gun to defend himself and others. <br />
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* [[Mark Wahlberg]] upon meeting Charlton Heston on the set of 2001's remake of ''Planet of the Apes'', Wahlberg rudely told Heston, &quot;It was very disturbing meeting you.&quot; Later, Wahlberg would have this to say at the MTV Movie Awards: ''&quot;I believe Charlton Heston is America's best villain because he loves guns so much. Maybe he should get the award for being president of the National Rifle Associati on.&quot;''&lt;ref&gt;http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=2360&lt;/ref&gt; Wahlberg's character in ''Planet of the Apes'' uses a gun to defend himself and other humans from the apes who would rule over them.<br />
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* [[Helen Mirren]] played Queen Elizabeth II in 2006's movie 'The Queen', but [http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,414361,00.html admits she used to use cocaine] as a result of her poor life choices as a younger woman.<br />
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* The [[Toyota Prius]]: Many celebrities will often be seen driving a Prius when in the public eye but drive a supercar such as a [[Porsche]] or [[Ferrari]] when they believe people are not watching.<br />
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==Using appearances to promote their [[liberal]] political views==<br />
*Rapper Kanye West infamously went way off script during a live benefit concert for victims of Hurricane Katrina, criticizing the media's treatment of images of black and white people and saying President [[George W. Bush]] &quot;doesn't care about black people.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/03/AR2005090300165.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*During the live broadcast of the 2007 Emmy Awards, actress Sally Field went on a sputtering anti-war rant, eventually concluding by saying, &quot;If the mothers ruled the world, there would be no g**d*** war in the first place.&quot; She received thunderous applause from the Hollywood audience for her vulgar remark.&lt;ref&gt;http://www.abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=3610891&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Michael Moore]] surprised no one by criticizing President Bush during his 2003 Oscar acceptance speech for &quot;Bowling for Columbine,&quot; saying, &quot;We live in the time where we have fictitious election results that elect a fictitious president. We live in a time where we have a man who's sending us to war for fictitious reasons, whether it's the fiction of duct tape or the fiction of orange alerts. We are against this war, Mr. Bush. Shame on you, Mr. Bush. Shame on you.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/features/20030323-2028-oscars-moore.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Actress Jessica Lange verbally attacked President Bush and the Iraq War during a 2008 commencement speech at Sarah Lawrence College in Yonkers, New York, stating, &quot;We are living in an America that, in the last seven and a half years, has waged an unnecessary war, established prison camps, condoned torture, employed corporate armies, eliminated the right of habeas corpus, practiced extraordinary rendition, and believe me, this is only a partial list.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;http://cbs5.com/politics/Jessica.Lange.President.2.732264.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Actress Megan Fox was recently quoted by MSN in a piece entitled &quot;The Wit and Wisdom of Megan Fox&quot; discussing her new movie Transformers 2. She said &quot;why not just take out all of the white trash, hillbilly, anti-gay, super Bible-beating people in Middle America?” &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.onenewsnow.com/Blog/Default.aspx?id=559876 Megan Fox would barter using ‘Bible-beating white trash’]OneNewsNow.com&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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==Vanity and [[Idol]] Worship==<br />
[[Hollywood]] places a value on appearance and it is driven into the minds of those who they seek profits and adulation from. There is such a need to be rich and famous that anything goes. It may be glamorizing to reveal skin &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/entertainment/2009/07/15/lovely-talented-khloe-kardashian?test=faces The youngest of the Kardashian gals decided flashing photographers was the best way to get some attention, FOX News, April 1, 2010]&lt;/ref&gt; or shamelessly being sex symbols to audiences. Pat-your-back awards ceremonies whereby we breathlessly await the ''stars'' to arrive. Naturally, scandals make big headlines and these people are no stranger to controversy for [[money]]. These fake gods have captured the hearts of millions upon millions who follow their every move. Negative stereotypes poison the minds of their followers. Women feel less worthy due to the overwhelming influence touching every part of society. [[Pennsylvania State University|Penn State's]] Media Research found the following regarding women's magazines, &quot;Past research indicates that exposure to thin models results in lower [[self-esteem]] and decreased weight satisfaction, and to increased depression, guilt, shame, [[stress]], insecurity and body dissatisfaction.&quot; &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.psu.edu/dept/medialab/research/selfworth.html Construction of Beauty as a Measure of Self-Worth] Penn State Media Research&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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==Award Shows==<br />
Fans of Hollywood are served copious amounts of vanity and glamour as celebrities are greeted on the red-carpet attending award events. Paparazzi snap pictures and the stars are rated for their appearance in various tabloids and entertainment television. Once the celebrities have arrived at the awards, television cameras capture for the masses acceptance speeches of their beloved stars. Once limited to couple of banquets such as the [[Emmy Award|Emmys]] or [[Golden Globe]]s, now some two-dozen award shows are vying for exposure. These new award shows offer glimpses into ego and moral depravity of Hollywood. It's not uncommon for the stars to act cool by cussing to the audience during acceptance speeches. These awards shows have become tawdry events that are marketed mostly to teens. <br />
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*Madonna engages in a lustful lesbian kiss onstage to [[Britney Spears]] at the 2003 MTV Music Video Awards. &lt;ref&gt;[http://top40.about.com/od/britneyspears/ig/Britney-Spears-Photo-Biography/Britney-Spears-Kissing-Madonna.htm Britney Spears and Madonna Kiss, About.com, 2003]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*A notoriously self-serving [[Kanye West]] jumped onstage at the [[MTV Video Awards]] to interrupt an acceptance speech by [[Taylor Swift]]. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.examiner.com/x-15972-Raleigh-Pop-Culture-Examiner~y2009m9d14-MTV-Video-Music-Awards-inspire-annual-controversy MTV Video Music Awards inspire annual controversy, Examiner.com, September 14, 2009]&lt;/ref&gt; <br />
*[[Mariah Carey]] attended the Palm Springs International Film Festival. Her acceptance speech was made while completely drunk. &lt;ref&gt;[http://neonlimelight.com/2010/01/06/video-mariah-carey-accepts-film-festival-award-drunk/ Video: Mariah Carey Accepts Film Festival Award Drunk, Neonlimelight.com, January 6, 2010]&lt;/ref&gt; <br />
*[[Miley Cyrus]] performed at the Teen Choice Awards in August 2009. The 16-year old was dancing around on a stripper pole. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1619183/20090820/cyrus__miley.jhtml Billy Ray Cyrus Defends Miley's Teen Choice Pole Dance, MTV.com, August 20, 2009]&lt;/ref&gt; In August 2013, the now 20-year-old Miley again stunned audiences with her disturbing performance at the VMA awards show &lt;ref&gt;http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2013/08/26/miley-cyrus-vmas-twitter/2699021/&lt;/ref&gt; that incorporated drug references and inappropriate costume and sexual gestures, that was widely criticized by the general public as well as other celebrities. <br />
*Actor [[Jack Black]] opened the 2009 MTV Video Awards by leading everyone in a prayer to [[Satan]]. &lt;ref&gt;[http://christianpress.com/content/entertainment/11-lifestyle/360-jack-black-leads-a-prayer-to-the-devil-at-the-2009-mtv-awards Satan Jack Black Leads A Prayer To The Devil At The 2009 MTV Awards, Christian Press, September 14, 2009 ]&lt;/ref&gt; <br />
*Adam Lambert’s [[American Music Awards]] performance received over 1500 complaints for flipping off the audience, kissing a male keyboard player, and fondling several of his backup dancers. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.ecanadanow.com/entertainment/2009/11/28/did-you-find-adam-lamberts-american-music-awards-performance-offensive/comment-page-1/ Did You Find Adam Lambert’s American Music Awards Performance Offensive?, eCanadanow.com, November 28, 2009]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Nominees for the 13th annual 2011 [[Teen Choice Awards]] include a lesbian kiss, a masturbating dog, a pot head middle school teacher. ''&quot;Teens will vote for their favorites, ranging from artists with hits about S&amp;M, to sex and drug-filled R-rated comedies, to favorite “break up” songs – one nominated song features the “f” word 16 times.&quot;'' &lt;ref&gt;[http://m.newsbusters.org/blogs/erin-r-brown/2011/08/05/producers-pick-lesbian-kiss-r-rated-movies-teen-choice-award-nominees Producers Pick Lesbian Kiss, R-Rated Movies as Teen Choice Award Nominees, Newsbusters.org, August 5, 2011]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Nicki Minaj]] performed an &quot;ode to Satanism&quot; in 2012 at the Grammy Awards show&lt;ref&gt;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2100258/Grammys-2012-Nicki-Minaj-morphs-possessed-alter-ego-Roman-levitates-live-exorcism.html&lt;/ref&gt;. &lt;ref&gt;http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=8639&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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==Preying on Underage Stars==<br />
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Very many child actors and actresses have gone on to have damaged and tragically short lives as a result of early exposure to Hollywood Values.<br />
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Debbie Gibson reflects on her life as a sixteen-year-old teenage Pop star and her exposure to the very sinister side of show business. “It is very disheartening that there are so many older men that prey on young performers.” What is even more disturbing than dirty male fans would be older male record executives trying to take her to adult parties and corrupt her with alcohol. Even the way the paparazzi stalk the younger artists is very different from following around adults. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,533542,00.html?test=faces Debbie Gibson Speaks Out About Pedophile Fans Wanting to 'Corrupt Little Girls' Fox News, July 17, 2009]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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Former child-actor Corey Feldman tells ABC that a big group of Hollywood executives are responsible for pedophilia and rape of underage stars. &lt;ref&gt;[http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/aprice/2011/08/16/child-molestation-allegations-against-hollywood-must-be-investigated/ Child Molestation Allegations Against Hollywood Must Be Investigated]&lt;/ref&gt; Feldman blames the death of troubled teen actor Corey Haim on Haim's Hollywood agent who molested him at age 14. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2025357/Paedophilia-Hollywoods-biggest-problem-alleges-child-star-Corey-Feldman.html 'Paedophilia is Hollywood's biggest problem,' explosive claim by former child star Corey Feldman, UK Dailymail, August 12, 2011]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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The father of teen idol Miley Cyrus said Disney destroyed their family. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/02/15/billy-ray-cyrus-scared-daughter-miley-says-hannah-montana-destroyed-family/#?test=faces Billy Ray Cyrus Scared For Daughter Miley, Says Hannah Montana 'Destroyed My Family', Fox News, February 15, 2011 &lt;/ref&gt; Billy Ray Cyrus accuses Miley's 'handlers' (Disney Executives) of going too far to promote her and when she got bad press they made her father the scapegoat.<br />
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=== Reality Stars ===<br />
[[MTV]] is notorious for filming underage reality stars. The pressure of instant fame with people in trying circumstances to begin with, the off camera news starts to creep more into the media. Arrests, suicide attempts, drugs and rehab are just some of the issues involving reality stars personal lives. Legal contracts with the network spell out MTV's rights to exploit their situations on the show. Psychologist Dr. Jeff Gardere. “In this country the media rewards bad behavior with more attention, thus more bad behavior is manifested because it is reinforced and rewarded.&quot; &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/06/17/is-mtv-repsonsible-when-at-risk-girls-it-exploits-go-off-deep-end/#ixzz1PYwX10oc Is MTV Responsible When At-Risk Teens it Features Go Off the Deep End?, Fox News, June 17, 2011]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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==Productions==<br />
The diseased moral values of the Liberal-dominated entertainment industry are manifested all too clearly in many of the products of that industry - motion pictures and television programs that offer no edification or instruction to the viewer, but plumb a cesspit of license and depravity. Some recent examples include the television series ''[[Desperate Housewives]]'' and ''[[Sex and the City]]'''s TV series and its movies.<br />
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==Religion==<br />
A short study of the ten most successful actors &lt;ref&gt;http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-most-successful-actors-at-the-box-office.php 10 most successful actors] &lt;/ref&gt; shows that only 50% are Christian (compared to 76% for the general population), with 30% expressing no religious beliefs at all (15% in the general public). These actors have had successful careers and it is very likely that religious affiliation in regular actors is much lower, exposing or predisposing them to the influence of Hollywood values. [[David Lynch]], for example, is apathetic towards all [[politics]] and [[religions]] and prefers [[transcedental meditation]] instead. Adrian Zmed, 1980s [[teen idol]] who starred alongside [[William Shatner]] in the [[1980s]] police drama, ''T.J. Hooker'', said in a 1983 interview with [[People Magazine]] that his rigid upbringing by his Romanian [[Eastern Orthodox]] [[priest]] father caused him to play juvenile deliquent and greaser roles (ex. in [[Broadway]]'s long running stage musical ''[[Grease]]'' and the 1982 sequel [[movie]] ''[[Grease 2]]'') as a relief from &quot;having a [[Father]] who is *your* [[father]]&quot;, and had also said &quot;Preachers kids have a sense of rebellion in them&quot;.<br />
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[[Scientology]] is practiced by many Hollywood personalities. [[Tom Cruise]], [[Krisite Alley]] and [[John Travolta]] are perhaps the most well known Hollywood Scientologists.<br />
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==Books==<br />
* ''Hollywood Against America''<br />
* ''Hollywood Babylon'' (1965) by Kenneth Anger (US edition)<br />
* ''Hollywood Babylon II'' (1984) by Kenneth Anger<br />
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==See also==<br />
*[[Supermodel]]s<br />
*[[Gallery of American Heroes]]<br />
*[[World Famous Pictures]]<br />
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==External Links==<br />
*[http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5ic_Q3agTpruvzoCJ5UxWaAqGJW3A Bush attacks 'Hollywood values'], ''AFP'', Oct 1, 2007<br />
*[http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/index.html Mug-shots of arrested Hollywood stars]<br />
*[http://www.parentstv.org/ptc/news/articles/2010/mtvmovieawards.asp Parent's Television Council: MTV’s Movie Awards Will Honor Profanity]<br />
*[http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/vernon/100802 From Hollywood: to Hitler with love (Stalin, too)]<br />
*[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2010/12/17/dumbest-things-celebs-said/?test=faces Ten Dumbest Things Celebs Said in 2010]<br />
*[http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/entertainment/2011/01/04/foul-mouthed-celebs/?test=faces#slide=1 Foul Mouthed Celebrities]<br />
*[http://www.irishexaminerusa.com/mt/2011/01/04/pop_culture_killing_classic_tr.html Pop Culture Killing Classic Traditions]<br />
*[http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/ Andrew Breitbart's BigHollywood.com]<br />
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'''Hollywood values''' are characterized by decadence, [[narcissism]], rampant [[drug|drug use]], [[adultery|extramarital sex]] leading to the spread of sexually-transmitted [[disease]], [[abortion]], lawlessness and the promotion of the [[homosexual agenda]]. Such values have a very negative influence on the life of individuals, and very often lead to death. A 2006 poll by MSNBC said that 60% of [[Americans]] agree that &quot;Hollywood's values are not in line with the rest of America and that the quality of movies has diminished in recent years.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11714540/&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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The lack of [[morals]] and difference of [[values]] in [[Hollywood]] culture has been destroying the fabric of American culture, particularly the family.<br />
==Conflict over values==<br />
There have been, however, a handful of prominent people whose work in Hollywood opposed these values. [[Charlton Heston]], [[Jim Caviezel]], [[Ricardo Montalban]], [[Ronald Reagan]], [[James Stewart]], [[Pat Boone]], [[Paul Schofield]], [[Lisa Whelchel]] (&quot;The Facts of Life&quot; sitcom's 'Blair' who refused a role where she would be the first of Eastland's girls to become a non-virgin), [[Walt Disney]] and many others practiced conservative values while working in Hollywood and the productions of these and many others also reflect these values, irrespective of the names associated with them: [[The Chronicles of Narnia]] and ''Independence Day'' (a 1996 movie about the U.S. being attacked on [[Independence Day]]) being recent examples.<br />
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Although the social elite of Hollywood may have held different values that Main Street America, the disparity was hidden from the public. First, many film studios and actors hired publicity agents to control what life-style facts became known to the public. Certain personal indiscretions were considered &quot;off-limits&quot; to journalists and not generally reported, such as [[Marilyn Monroe]]'s connection to various [[organized crime]] and political figures.<br />
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Second, both the film studios and the television networks had codes of acceptable content. Actors who were living by Hollywood values were creating films and television programs that carefully avoid sexually explicit themes or foul language. For example, the code required that if a married couple were to be shown in a bedroom scene, they would have twin beds and would be wearing [[pajamas]].<br />
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Third, after the [[United States Supreme Court]] ruled that the [[First Amendment]] protected certain forms of literature and motion pictures that were previously considered [[pornographic]], (''[[Miller v. California]]'' in 1973), the case law developed that applied local community standards when deciding whether a particular work was to be protected. This had the effect of decoupling national values from Hollywood values and started a race to the lowest common denominator.<br />
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Finally, over time, the media has shifted from being concentrated to being dispersed. The three major television networks shifted to thousands of cable channels, and the adoption of the Internet by the general public made controlling the spread of news and the fabrication of false public images by movie studios impossible. As a result, [[tabloid journalism]] and [[reality television]] spread the full impact of the Hollywood lifestyle throughout American culture.<br />
==Description==<br />
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Hollywood values include a flagrant disrespect and disregard for:<br />
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* [[abstinence]], [[marriage]] and [[fidelity]] <br />
* [[patriotism]]<br />
* [[religion]] and [[spirituality]] (Hollywood's profits depend on the [[advertising]] and sale of [[materialism|material goods]] and other superficial &quot;solutions&quot; to problems.)<br />
* [[accountability]]<br />
* the [[military]]&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/editorials/hollywood_gets_it_right_p4d84a9jyymsfLw0THb7EM Hollywood gets it right, New York Post, March 09, 2010]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
* family responsibilities, like [[childrearing]]&lt;ref&gt;[[Britney Spears]] &quot;doesn't want [her] kids back.&quot; [http://www.nypost.com/seven/02132008/news/nationalnews/brit_doesnt_want_her_kids__1st_ex_97425.htm]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
* laws that apply to everyone else<br />
* commonly accepted behavioral boundaries and values of human decency<br />
* hard work and humility<br />
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In addition, Hollywood portrays these values as rebellious and [[counterculture|countercultural]]. They portray religious and spiritual institutions as greedy, self-serving, sexually perverted, prejudiced, ignorant, and unscientific. When comparing the satisfaction brought about by faith, spirituality, family, and friendship, which may happen to include donations to a church or other organization, it is clear that the profits of Hollywood and the industries which rely upon Hollywood for profit are the true establishment - thus making traditional values truly rebellious and countercultural, and Hollywood values a lie.<br />
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==Deaths ==<br />
Hollywood values are deadly. Tourists in Hollywood can visit over 30 sites of typically self-inflicted Hollywood celebrity deaths.&lt;ref&gt;http://www.hollywoodusa.co.uk/celebrity-death-sites.htm&lt;/ref&gt; A sampling of deaths caused by Hollywood values include:&lt;ref&gt;http://www.abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=4174733&amp;page=1&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/entertainment/news/article/20021--list-of-celebrities-taken-by-drug-use-tragic-and-growing&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Nick Adams]], 36, TV actor died of an overdose from barbiturates.<br />
*[[Jeremy Applegate]], 24, suicide, ironically after saying (in a voiceover scene) in 1989's teen film ''[[Heathers]]'' &quot;I hope this never happens to me, because I couldn't handle suicide&quot;.<br />
*[[John Barrymore]], 60, cirrhosis of the liver from heavy drinking.<br />
*[[John Belushi]], 33, was a repeated drug abuser who ultimately died of a lethal injection of cocaine and heroin.<br />
*[[Clara Blandick]], 81, &quot;Aunt Em&quot; in ''[[The Wizard Of Oz]]'' committed suicide in 1962 by O.D.'ing on prescription meds.<br />
*[[John Bonham]], 32, after too much drinking, asphyxiated on vomit.<br />
*[[Elisa Bridges]], 28, [[Playboy]] magazine model, drug overdose combining heroin, methamphetamine and other drugs.<br />
*[[Joseph Brooks]], 73, Hollywood producer, composer, lyricist, and accused multiple rapist committed suicide.<br />
*[[Timothy Buckley]], 29, musician, died of [[heroin]] overdose in 1975.<br />
*[[David Carradine]], 72, died from suffocation, most likely suicide, had history of suicidal thoughts, alcohol and narcotics abuse &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525177,00.html Thai Police: Carradine Death May Be Accidental Suffocation] Fox News, June 05, 2009 &lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Stephen Clark]], 30, Def Leppard guitarist, drug and alcohol overdose&lt;ref&gt;http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1108020/bio&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Lana Clarkson]], 40, actress and model murdered by [[Phil Spector]]<br />
*[[Kurt Cobain]], 27, lead singer from the band Nirvana, a heroin addict who committed suicide with a shotgun blast to the head.<br />
*[[Ray Combs]], 40, host of the TV game show ''Family Feud'' committed suicide by hanging himself while, ironically, in a psychiatric ward.<br />
*[[Jeff Conaway]], 60, film and television actor died from a suspected overdose. He struggled with addictions to cocaine and alcohol. <br />
*[[Don Cornelius]], 75, &quot;Soul Train&quot; TV creator died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/02/01/soul-train-creator-don-cornelius-dead-apparent-suicide-report-says/ 'Soul Train' creator Don Cornelius dead of apparent suicide, Fox News, February 1, 2012]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[John Costelloe]], 47, actor from HBO's ''The Sopranos'' known as &quot;Johnny Cakes&quot;, shot himself in the head. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,472864,00.html 'Sopranos' Actor Shocks Fans, Loved Ones With Holiday Suicide] NYPost, December 25, 2008&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Bob Crane]], 49, the actor's success as one of ''[[Hogan's Heroes]]'' led to a bizarre life of [[sex addiction]]. He was beaten to death in [[Scottsdale]], [[Arizona]].<br />
*[[Karl Dane]], 47, suicide by gunshot.<br />
*[[James Dean]], 24, a notoriously reckless and frequently ticketed driver crashed fatally head-on into a car turning left in front of his Porsche (see also crime, below)<br />
*[[Kevin DuBrow]], 52, lead singer of 1980's metal band Quiet Riot died from an overdose of cocaine.<br />
*[[Ryan Dunn]], 34, [[MTV]]'s reality star from the series ''Jackass'', died in a 3:00 AM auto accident after a night of drinking. [http://www.tmz.com/2011/06/20/jackass-ryan-dunn-dies-dead-car-crash-accident-pennsylvania/]<br />
*[[Eazy-E]], 31, [[AIDS]] death in 1995 contracted through drug use.<br />
*[[Peg Entwistle]], 24, leaped to her death from atop the Hollywood sign.<br />
*[[Brian Epstein]], 32, overdosed on sleeping pills and alcohol.<br />
*[[Althea Flynt]], 33, wife of [[Huster]] publisher [[Larry Flynt]], died of possible [[AIDS]] from an infected [[blood transfusion]] or prescription drug overdose.<br />
*[[Chris Farley]], 33, overdose of morphine and cocaine<br />
*[[Frances Farmer]], 56, cancer brought on by former lifestyle of heavy smoking.<br />
*[[Judy Garland]], 47, overdosed on sleeping pills<br />
*[[Lucy Gordon]], 28, British actress from the movie ''Spiderman 3'', hung herself &lt;ref&gt;[http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/Movies/wireStory?id=7642829 Actress Lucy Gordon Found Dead at Age 28 in Paris, ABC News, May 21, 2009]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Paul Gray]], 38, bassist of heavy metal band Slipknot, died of an overdose of morphine and fentanyl. &lt;ref&gt;http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100622/ap_on_en_mu/us_slipknot_bassist_autopsy&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Lee Grivas]], 26, the on-again, off-again boyfriend of actress Christina Applegate, 36, was found dead of an apparent drug overdose&lt;ref&gt;http://www.bloggernews.net/116552a&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Corey Haim, 38, teen idol who starred in many teen movies and then a reality show, died of a drug overdose.&lt;ref&gt;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8560246.stm&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Russell Craig Hamer]], 42, child actor, self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head.<br />
*[[Phil Hartman]], 49, murdered in his million-dollar house by his drug-addicted third wife, Brynn Hartman<br />
*[[Margaux Hemingway]], 42, suicide<br />
*[[Jimi Hendrix]], 27, an enthusiastic abuser of illegal drugs, choked on his own vomit after overdosing on sleeping pills and alcohol while in London.<br />
*[[Whitney Houston]], 48, singer/actress autopsy reports showed cocaine and drowning as contributors to her death. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/03/30/cocaine-found-in-whitney-houstons-hotel-room-report-says/?intcmp=features Cocaine found in Whitney Houston's hotel room, report says, Fox News, March 30, 2012]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Rock Hudson]], 59, AIDS in 1985.<br />
*[[Michael Hutchence]], 37, asphyxiated during an auto-erotic act while alone in a Sydney hotel. His wife, Paula Yates (see below), also fell victim to Hollywood Values.<br />
*[[Michael Jackson]], 50, cardiac arrest from a toxic mixture and abuse of prescription drugs, improperly prescribed by doctors.<br />
*[[Richard Jeni]], 49, suicide&lt;ref&gt;http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258231,00.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Russell Tyrone Jones]] (a.k,a. &quot;Old Dirty Bastard&quot;), 35, musician, died of drug overdose two days before his 36th birthday<br />
*[[Janis Joplin]], 27, heroin overdose<br />
*[[Lisa Robin Kelly]], 43, &quot;That '70s Show&quot; actress died while in a rehab facility for addictions<br />
*[[Andrew Koenig]], 41, child actor in the TV series ''Growing Pains'', committed suicide.&lt;ref&gt;[http://omg.yahoo.com/news/andrew-koenigs-body-found-in-vancouver-park/36485?nc Andrew Koenig's Body Found in Vancouver Park, Yahoo News, February 25, 2010]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Jani Lane]], 47, lead singer for the rock band Warrant was found dead in a hotel room. He had a history of alcohol abuse.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.tmz.com/2011/08/11/warrant-singer-jani-lane-dead-dies-died-hotel-ventura-los-angeles-cherry-pie/ EX-WARRANT SINGER JANI LANE<br />
DEAD AT 47, TMZ.com, August 11, 2011]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Heath Ledger]], 28, a straight actor best known as one of ''[[Brokeback Mountain]]'''s homosexual cowboys, died in his [[Manhattan]] apartment in 2008 from an accidental overdose of painkillers, sleeping pills, anti-anxiety medication and other prescription drugs. &lt;ref&gt;http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,328828,00.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Bruce Lee]] (Li Xiaolong), actor, 33, collapsed and died; trace amounts of cannabis found in bloodstream at postmortem; the official cause of death was acute cerebral edema (swelling of the brain) from hypersensitivity to aspirin. Cannabis probably didn't contribute to his death.<br />
*[[Johnny Lewis]], 28, actor from Sons of Anarchy fell to his death after killing his 81-year-old landlord.<br />
*[[Stuart Lubbock]], 31, found dead in the swimming pool of popular TV entertainer [[Michael Barrymore]], having suffered severe anal trauma, after a drug-fueled party at the star's home <br />
*[[Queen (band)|Freddie Mercury]], 45, born Farrokh Bulsara, lead singer of the band Queen, died from AIDS-related bronchial pneumonia.<br />
*[[Sal Mineo]], 37, murdered under circumstances that suggested &quot;a homosexual motive&quot;.<br />
*[[Marilyn Monroe]], 36, overdosed on sleeping pills.<br />
*[[Cory Monteith]], 31, star of the liberal show Glee died from a mix of heroin and alcohol. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2013/07/16/cory-monteith-died-mixture-heroin-and-alcohol-coroners-service-says/ Cory Monteith died of a &quot;mixed drug toxicity', Fox News, July 16, 2013]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Keith Moon]], 32, drummer of [[The Who]] overdosed on Clomethiazole prescribed to treat his [[alcoholism]].<br />
*[[Jim Morrison]], 27, died of an apparent heroin overdose.<br />
*[[Brittany Murphy]], 32, motion picture film actress died of cardiac arrest from combining prescription drugs &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2010/02/27/brittany-murphy-taken-vicodin-days/ Brittany Murphy May Have Taken 109 Vicodin in 11 Days, Fox News, February 27, 2010]&lt;/ref&gt; Official death from pneumonia and drug intoxication.<br />
*[[Chris Penn]], 40, brother of [[Sean Penn]], &quot;died accidentally from an enlarged heart and the effects of a mix of multiple medications&quot;.<br />
*[[River Phoenix]], 23, died from an overdose of cocaine and heroin.<br />
*[[Dana Plato]], 34, ''Diff'rent Strokes'' star, suicide by drug overdose after posing for lesbian pornography.<br />
*[[Elvis Presley]], 42, large drug intake causes a cardiac arrhythmia, and rumored to have suffocated on the carpet when he collapsed from a drug overdose.<br />
*[[Freddie Prinze]], 22, actor from ''Chico and the Man'', committed suicide by gunshot to the head.<br />
*[[Richard Pryor]], 65, comedian with a history of smoking cocaine, died of a heart attack.<br />
*[[Virginia Rappe]], 30, died of a ruptured bladder incurred at a party hosted by [[Roscoe Arbuckle]].<br />
*[[Robert Reed]], 59, actor known as Mike Brady on ''The Brady Bunch'' was a homosexual with AIDS, died from cancer in 1992.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/entertainment/2009/08/14/brady-bunch?slide=25 Robert Reed in 1990, Fox News]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Brad Renfro]], 25, became addicted to heroin and was found dead after a night of drinking<br />
*[[George Reeves]], 45, played Superman from the series ''Adventures of Superman'', suicide by gunshot<br />
*[[Rebecca Schaeffer]], 21, actress in CBS's television series ''My Sister Sam'', stalked and murdered by a crazed fan in 1989.<br />
*[[Ronald, aka &quot;Bon&quot; Scott]] lead singer of [[AC/DC]] chocked on his own vomit on alcohol and illegal drugs in 1980 while touring to support their (appropriately titled ?) album, ''Highway To Hell''.<br />
*[[Jean Seberg]], 40, actress with clinic depression committed suicide by overdose of alcohol and barbiturates<br />
*Michael Showers, 45, HBO actor found dead in the Mississippi River.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/08/25/treme-actor-michael-showers-body-found-in-mississippi-river/#ixzz1W3rKzHFr 'Treme' Actor Michael Showers' Body Found in Mississippi River, Fox News, August 25, 2011]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Anna Nicole Smith]], 39, accidental overdose on prescription drugs<br />
*[[Layne Staley]], 34, found dead in apartment two weeks after a drug overdose.&lt;ref&gt;http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/staley1.html&lt;/ref&gt; Layne promoted the use of hard drugs in the 1992 [[Alice in Chains]] song &quot;Junkhead&quot;&lt;ref&gt;http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Junkhead-lyrics-Alice-In-Chains/3A665DABDFC00AD54825688F0010CD45&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Dorothy Stratten]], 20, murdered by spouse after engaging in extramarital affair<br />
*[[David Strickland]], 29, cast member of NBC's ''Suddenly Susan'' hung himself in a Las Vegas hotel.<br />
*[[Sharon Tate]], 26, an actress with a [[hippie]] lifestyle who was murdered by followers of [[Charles Manson]], a [[Beatles]]-obsessed musician wannabe; Manson's followers murdered Tate, who was pregnant and only two weeks from birth, her unborn child, her prior lover, who was staying with her while her husband, movie producer [[Roman Polanski]] (see 'Crime', below), was away, and another unmarried couple staying in the house. (It is believed that Manson had actually intended his followers to kill the home's previous residents, [[Terry Melcher]] (son of [[Doris Day]]) and [[Candice Bergen]].)&lt;ref&gt;The Polanski Problem [http://moviegeeksclub.blogspot.com/2008/04/polanski-problem.html]&lt;/ref&gt; &lt;ref&gt;Sharon Tate Official Site: Sharon's Biography [http://www.sharontate.net/bio4.html]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Lou Tellegen]], 52, a silent film and stage actor, suicide<br />
*[[Lupe Velez]], 36, 1920s-1940s movie actress, suicide by an overdose of sleeping pills; she was pregnant and didn't want an illegitimate child.<br />
*[[Sid Vicious]], 21. [[Heroin]] overdose while awaiting trial for his girlfriend's murder in [[New York City]].<br />
*[[Herve Villechaize]], 50, actor who played the character Tattoo on the hit show ''Fantasy Island'', committed suicide by self-inflicted gunshot.<br />
*[[Kenneth Williams]], 62, comedian and actor, heart failure from interaction of pain medication and sleeping pills.<br />
*[[Amy Winehouse]], 27, young singer with a life of substance abuse. Toxicology reports showed alcohol but no illegal drugs found in her system.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/amy-winehouse-was-drug-free-when-she-died-20110823 Amy Winehouse Toxicology Report Shows No Illegal Drugs] Perpetua, Matthew, August 23, 2011, ''The Rolling Stone'', retrieved August 25, 2011.&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Natalie Wood]], 43, actress, drowned while intoxicated.<br />
*[[Paula Yates]], 41, television writer, heroin overdose. &quot;Coroner Dr Paul Knapman told Westminster Coroners Court she had not committed suicide but said her behaviour had been &quot;foolish and incautious&quot;. Her death was the result of &quot;an unsophisticated taker of heroin&quot; using drugs, he said. The court heard that 0.3mg of morphine per litre of blood was found in her body, which would not have been enough to kill her had she been a heroin addict.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;[http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1013404.stm Heroin overdose killed Yate] November 8, 2000, BBCNews.com, retrieved August 25, 2011&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Bubba Smith]], 66, football player and actor, died from an overdose of diet pills.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2056807/Police-Academy-star-Bubba-Smith-died-diet-pill-overdose.html Revealed: Police Academy star Bubba Smith died of a diet pill overdose - Daily Mail]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Actor Jonathan Brandis committed suicide in 2003.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.smh.com.au/news/heath-ledger/ten-actors-who-died-in-their-20s/2008/01/23/1201024961111.html Ten actors who died in their 20s], The Sydney Morning Herald&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Singer [[Elliott Smith]] committed suicide in 2003 by stabbing himself in the chest.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1475177 Singer Elliott Smith Dead in Apparent Suicide - NPR]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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==Sexually Transmitted Diseases==<br />
The loose sexual morals characteristic of the lifestyle defined by Hollywood Values often lead to sexually transmitted diseases. Examples include,<br />
<br />
* [[Rock Hudson]] died of AIDS-related complications after contracting the disease through homosexual intercourse.<br />
* Michael Jeter, who was homosexual, also died due to AIDS-related complications. <br />
* Freddie Mercury of the rock group [[Queen (band)|Queen]], notorious for his flamboyant onstage presence, also contracted AIDS through his wildly promiscuous homosexual lifestyle, and subsequently perished of the self-inflicted condition.<br />
* [[Tommy Morrison]] 44, died of undisclosed illness after testing positive for HIV. He starred in the movie ''Rocky V'' and claimed to be related to [[John Wayne]].&lt;ref&gt;{{cite news|title=heavyweight champ also starred in 'Rocky V'|first=Dave|last=Skretta|work=Washington Post|date=September 3, 2013|page=B5}}&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
<br />
== Crime ==<br />
'''Hollywood values often include being arrested or convicted for a variety of crimes. Here are some examples:'''<br />
* [[Frances Farmer]], arrested in 1942 for driving with bright lights in a &quot;dim out&quot; zone that affected the West Coast during World War II, and was convicted of drunk driving.&lt;ref&gt;http://www.biography.com/people/frances-farmer-9542364&lt;/ref&gt; In 1943, she assaulted a hairdresser who she claimed insulted her and also failed to appear in court for the remainder of her previous fine. When arrested in 1943, she resisted and was eventually placed under guardianship of her mother, who eventually committed her to various psychatric hospitals until 1950 (the guardianship lasted until 1953).<br />
* [[Paris Hilton]] was convicted in 2007 of driving while intoxicated, and then violated the terms of her probation, leading to a 45-day prison sentence.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18472845/ Paris Hilton sentenced to 45 days in jail], MSNBC, May 4, 2007&lt;/ref&gt; She was also arrested in Las Vegas on 8/27/2010 for possession of a controlled substance, [[cocaine]]. The hotel heiress was a passenger in a vehicle that was stopped by police. The driver was arrested for DUI '''pertaining to drugs, not alcohol'''. Through further interaction between Hilton and authorities, it was discovered she was in possession of a controlled substance. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2010/08/28/paris-hilton-arrested-drug-possession/ Paris Hilton arrested in Las Vegas.]&lt;/ref&gt; In order to avoid prison, Hilton pleaded guilty to two misdemeanors, and received a sentence of one year's probation, a fine, community service and also was ordered to complete a drug abuse program. <br />
* Actress Lori Petty, who was featured in ''Free Willy'' and ''A League of their Own'', ran into a 14-year-old skateboarder and was arrested for felony drunk driving charges.&lt;ref&gt;http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7015343906&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
* Craig Phillip Robinson, the actor famous for playing Darryl Philbin on NBC's ''The Office'', &quot;was arrested on June 29, 2008, on suspicion of possessing MDMA, also known as ecstasy, and methamphetamine.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/TV/08/15/office.actor.arrested.ap/index.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
* [[Winona Ryder]] was convicted of vandalism and grand theft for stealing designer merchandise worth $5,560.40.&lt;ref&gt;http://www.courttv.com/trials/ryder/&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
* [[O.J. Simpson]] is widely believed to have murdered his wife and her friend, and was found liable in a civil (but not criminal) trial. He has since been convicted of unrelated felonies outside [[California]] ([[Nevada]] in 2008) and is serving time in Nevada.<br />
* [[Jim Bakker]], [[televangelist]] for the [[PTL]] Club, was convicted of accounting fraud in 1989, stemming from the [[televangelism]] scandals of the later 1980s. He was sentenced to 45 years in prison and a $500,000 fine, but this sentence was commuted to eight years and the fine was voided.<br />
* [[Jimmy Swaggart]], also a televagelist and involved in the late 1980s televangelism scandals, was caught in 1991 with yet another prostitute while in Indio California and when asked about, he said &quot;The Lord said it's flat none of your business&quot;. <br />
*[[Lana Turner]] was involved with [[Mafia]] enforcer [[John Stompanato]], who tried murdering her in 1958, but was himself killed by Lana's daughter, Cheryl, then 14 in an incident that would be ruled justifiable.<br />
*[[Hugh Grant]] was arrested in 1995 in Los Angeles when he found in a car with a known prostitute.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.mugshots.org/hollywood/hugh-grant.html]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Stacy Keach]], movie actor, was sentenced to 9 months imprisonment in the [[United Kingdom]] in 1984 after being arrested at [[London]] [[Heathrow Airport]] in possession of a large quantity of [[cocaine]].<br />
*[[Kiefer Sutherland]], an actor starring in Fox television series ''24'' was given a 48-day sentence for DUI in 2007, an offense committed while still on probation following a 2004 conviction for DUI.&lt;ref&gt;Sutherland is released from jail [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7200633.stm BBC]&lt;/ref&gt; He was also charged with misdemeanor assault for allegedly head-butting a fashion designer at a nightclub in 2009. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=47880 ‘24’ Star Kiefer Sutherland Charged for Allegedly Head-Butting a Fashion Designer] Associated Press, May 8, 2009&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Linda Blair]] of ''[[The Exorcist]]'' (I &amp; II's) fame was arrested in 1977 for possession of [[cocaine]] with intent to sell.<br />
*[[George Michael]] was convicted of &quot;committing a lewd act in public&quot;, having been arrested in a public restroom by a plain clothes police officer. Arrested in September 2008 in a [[London]] public lavatory, he was found in possession of crack cocaine and cannabis - but merely received a caution. &lt;ref&gt;http://uk.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUKLL28201720080921&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Snoop Dogg]], a popular [[rap|rapper]], was arrested in 2006 for [[marijuana]] possession. He is a libertarian&lt;ref&gt;http://www.ucllibertarians.com/celebrities.html&lt;/ref&gt; who advocates legal marijuana use.&lt;ref&gt;http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/dailydish/detail?blogid=7&amp;entry_id=21457&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Roman Polanski]], Polish-born film director &amp; producer, is unable to return anywhere in the [[United States]] as he jumped bail in 1978 and fled to [[France]] after being convicted on charges of unlawful sexual intercourse with a thirteen-year old girl.<br />
* Rapper DMX (Earl Simmons) was caught on camera drag racing at a speed over 110 miles on a freeway, and then a SWAT team was used to arrest him three days later on drug and animal cruelty charges. &quot;The Maricopa County sheriff's office says the 37-year-old, whose real name is Earl Simmons, at first tried to barricade himself in his bedroom. He came out as a SWAT team entered during the early-morning raid Friday.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;http://news.aol.com/entertainment/music/music-news-story/ar/_a/dmx-arrested-on-animal-cruelty-charges/20080509163709990001&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Martha Stewart]] was charged with illegal [[insider trading]] in 2003.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.sec.gov/news/press/2003-69.htm SEC press release (SEC Charges Martha Stewart, Broker Peter Bacanovic with Illegal Insider Trading)]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Tatum O'Neal]] was arrested in 2008 for [[cocaine]] possession. &lt;ref&gt;<br />
[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,361361,00.html Tatum O'Neal Released After Drug Arrest], [[Associated Press]], ''[[Fox News Channel|Fox News]]'', June 02, 2008.&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[James Dean]] was frequently stopped and ticketed for many driving offenses.<br />
*Redmond O'Neal, son of [[Farrah Fawcett]] and [[Ryan O'Neal]], pled guilty to possessing heroin and methamphetamine as well as driving under the influence of drugs.&lt;ref&gt;http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080627/ap_on_en_ot/people_redmond_o_neal;_ylt=AiQCBwpJpxqBOFWVyqEycXsDW7oF Redmond O'Neal pleads guilty to drug charges&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Actor]] Nick Nolte was arrested for drunk driving in 2002.&lt;ref&gt;http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/nolte1.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Sean Bean]] was arrested and spent the night in a cell after allegedly beating his wife.&lt;ref&gt;http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5hR3pX0eEytJcMo7m5LRLHOYpasSA&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Shelley Malil]], 43, worked as an actor in [[movies]] and [[television]]. He is charged with causing great bodily injury and using a deadly weapon on Kendra Beebe, a 35-year-old [[mother]] of two. He appeared on the back patio of Kendra's house and stabbed her 20 times. Now held on a $10 million dollar bond. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Aug13/0,4670,ActorArrested,00.html 40-Year-Old Virgin' actor pleads not guilty] AP, August 13, 2008&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Former child actor [[Skylar Deleon]], who had a minor part in one episode of the ''Power Rangers'' series, was found guilty of three murders, including those of Tom and Jackie Hawks, who were allegedly bound to the anchor of their yacht and tossed overboard. &lt;ref&gt;[http://articles.latimes.com/2008/oct/21/local/me-deleon21 Deleon guilty of killing couple at sea<br />
&lt;/ref&gt; He was subsequently sentenced to death.&lt;ref&gt;http://www.dcourier.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&amp;SubSectionID=1&amp;ArticleID=66850&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Musician George O'Dowd, better known by his stage name, [[Boy George]] in the [[1980s]] band [[Culture Club]], was convicted for handcuffing a male escort to a bed against his will and then beating him with a chain.&lt;ref&gt;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1092168/Guilty-Boy-George-warned-judge-faces-jail-falsely-imprisoning-male-escort.html&lt;/ref&gt; He served 4 months of his 15-month sentence in jail, and then spent an additional 90 days on home detention with electronic surveillance. Earlier he had been convicted of cocaine possession.<br />
*Dana Plato was arrested for armed robbery and prescription forgery.<br />
*Todd Bridges assaulted a motorist and was repeatedly arrested for drug-related offenses.<br />
*Gary Coleman was arrested for assaulting a woman by punching her in the face.<br />
*Musician/Producer [[Phil Spector]] was found guilty of second-degree murder for the shooting death of actress Lana Clarkson. &lt;ref&gt;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30194936/&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Actor Elmore &quot;Rip&quot; Torn was arrested for breaking into a bank and carrying a firearm while intoxicated. In 2009, he was given probation in a drunk-driving case. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2010/01/30/actor-rip-torn-arrested-allegedly-breaking-connecticut-bank/?test=latestnews Actor Rip Torn Arrested for Allegedly Breaking Into Connecticut Bank, Fox News, January 30, 2010]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Former teen actor Leif Garrett was arrested for possession of a controlled substance. He has a number of former arrests including [[heroin]] possession. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/02/03/crimesider/entry6170622.shtml Leif Garrett Arrested: Former Teen Idol Busted for Controlled Substance, CBS News, February 3, 2010]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Sean Penn]] was charged with criminal battery and vandalism for attacking the paparazzi in October 2009. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/19/sean-penn-crime-battery-vandalism-prosecution-jail-paparazzi/ Sean Penn Charged With Crimes, TMZ, February 19, 2010]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Comedian [[Andy Dick]] was arrested for groping an employee and a patron of a nightclub in West Virginia. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.herald-dispatch.com/breaking/x818845820/Andy-Dick-arrested-by-HPD Andy Dick charged with felony, shows still on, Herald Dispatch, January 23, 2010]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Actor Nicholas Brendon from ''Buffy the Vampire Slayer'' and ''Criminal Minds'' was arrested March 2010 in a drunken scuffle with police. He was charged with resisting arrest, two counts of battery against a police officer and felony vandalism. Brendon has a history of alcoholism.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.popeater.com/2010/04/07/nicholas-brendon-arrested-charged/ 'Buffy The Vampire Slayer' Star Charged With Police Battery, Vandalism, PopEater.com, April 7, 2010]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Hollywood television producer Bruce Beresford-Redman of CBS's ''Survivor'' series was arrested as the lead suspect in the murder of his wife. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2010/04/08/mexican-official-hollywood-tv-producer-suspect-wifes-death/?test=latestnews 'Survivor' Producer 'Suspected' in Wife's Death in Mexico, FOX News, April 8, 2010]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Actor Chris Klein, star of the ''American Pie'' films, which glorify sex and alcohol abuse, was arrested for drunk driving in June 2010&lt;ref&gt;http://www.tmz.com/2010/06/16/american-pie-chris-klein-busted-for-dui-arrest/&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Actor Michael Brea played roles in ''Ugly Betty'' and ''Step Up 3D'', killed his 55-year old mother with a sword while yelling Bible verses. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/11/24/ugly-betty-actor-allegedly-kills-mother-foot-sword-screaming-repent/ 'Ugly Betty' Actor Allegedly Kills Mother With 3-Foot Sword While Screaming 'Repent', FOX News, November 24, 2010]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*TV host and actor [[Gary Collins]] was arrested and charged with a felony for allegedly leaving a restaurant without paying his $59.35 tab. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/01/05/tv-host-gary-collins-arrested-skipping-restaurant/ TV Host Gary Collins Arrested for Skipping Out on $59 Restaurant Bill, FOXNews, January 5, 2011]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Actress Jaime Pressly was arrested for driving under the influence. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/01/11/jaime-pressly-wasted-dui-arrest/ Jaime Pressly Blew Nearly Three Times Legal Limit on Breathalyzer Before Arrest, Fox News, January 11, 2011 ]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Korey Rowe, producer of the 9/11 conspiracy film ''Loose Change'', was arrested for selling heroin.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/01/31/conspiracy-film-producer-arrested-drug-charges/?test=latestnews 9/11 Conspiracy Film Producer Arrested on Drug Charges, Fox News, January 31, 2011]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Lindsay Lohan is facing felony grand theft charges; she was charged with stealing a $2500 necklace from a Venice boutique.&lt;ref&gt;[ttp://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/02/05/lindsay-lohan-facing-years-state-prison-jewelry-theft Lindsay Lohan Facing Three Years in State Prison, Fox News, February 5, 2011]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Christina Aguilera was arrested under the misdemeanor charge of public intoxication.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/03/01/christina-aguilera-arrested-public-intoxication-report-says/?test=faces Christina Aguilera Arrested for Public Intoxication, Fox News, March 1, 2011]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Actor Tom Sizemore was arrested on an outstanding warrant for battery. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/09/20/actor-tom-sizemore-arrested-on-outstanding-battery-warrant-report-says/#ixzz1YVp32AsJ Actor Tom Sizemore Arrested, Fox News, September 20, 2011]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Canadian filmmaker Roger Avery, who had collaborated with Quentin Tarantino in the past, was convicted of drunk driving and vehicular manslaughter in August 2009.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/film/story/2009/08/21/avary-plea.html Pulp Fiction writer pleads guilty over deadly car crash - CBC0]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Christian Bale]] was arrested for assaulting his mother.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,388124,00.html Christian Bale Arrested for Allegedly Assaulting Mother, Sister; Actor Denies Allegation - Fox News]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Nicole Polizzi]], star of the reality show ''Jersey Shore'', was arrested in July 2010 for disorderly conduct and a month later was fined $500 for the charges that followed.&lt;ref&gt;[http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/entertainment/2012835886_apusjerseyshorearrest.html MTV's `Snooki' fined $500 for disturbing beachgoers - The Seattle Times]&lt;/ref&gt; On May 31, 2011 she got into troubles with the law once more, this time in [[Italy]].&lt;ref&gt;p[http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/90050118?Snooki%20crashes%20into%20police%20patrol%20car%20in%20Florence%2C%20Causes%20traffic%20jam Snooki crashes into police patrol car in Florence, Causes traffic jam]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[David Faustino]], known primarily for playing Bud in ''[[Married With Children]]'', was arrested in 2007 for possessing marijuana.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,272977,00.html 'Married With Children' Actor David Faustino Arrested on Marijuana, Intoxication Charges - Fox News]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Actress Natasha Lyonne has a long history of crime and drug use.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/theater/06simo.html When Living at All Is the Best Revenge - The New York Times]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Hollywood producer Robert Evans was convicted in 1980 of possessing cocaine.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.nytimes.com/1993/05/20/movies/the-rise-and-fall-and-now-rise-of-robert-evans.html?pagewanted=all&amp;src=pm The Rise and Fall and, Now, Rise of Robert Evans - New York Times]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Pop star Gary Glitter was conivcted several times on charges related to child pornography and statutory rape.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1088318/Take-Sex-Offender-Registry-says-Gary-Glitter--taxpayers-fund-appeal.html Take me off Sex Offender Registry, says Gary Glitter... and taxpayers will fund his appeal - The Daily Mail]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Former child actor Taran Noah Smith from &quot;Home Improvement&quot; was arrested for a DUI and drug possession. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/02/01/home-improvement-kid-busted-for-dui-and-drug-possession/?intcmp=obnetwork 'Home Improvement' actor Taran Noah Smith busted for DUI, drug possession, Fox News, February 2, 2012]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Zsa Zsa Gabor]] slapped a policeman in [[Beverly Hills]] in 1989 when she was stopped for a traffic violation.<br />
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== Falsehoods ==<br />
''See also: [[Essay:Worst Liberal Movies]]''<br />
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[[Hollywood values]] perpetuate [[liberal]]-driven [[Essay:Liberal Falsehoods|falsehoods]]:<br />
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*[[The Road We’ve Traveled]]<br />
:20 minute mini-documentary on [[Barack Obama]], narrated by actor [[Tom Hanks]], is more fiction than fact, more fantasy than reality.<br />
*[[Game Change]] <br />
:HBO's anti-Republican propaganda film about [[Sarah Palin]]. Stars and Executives of the production gave $200K to Democrats, Zero to Republicans. &lt;ref&gt;[http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/03/07/game-change-stars-and-execs-gave-200k-democrats-zero-republicans#ixzz1oUdT6O5w 'Game Change' Stars and Execs Gave $200K to Democrats, Zero to Republicans, Newsbusters, March 7, 2012&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Inside Job]]<br />
:A 2010 film by Democrat donor Charles Ferguson that blames the Great Recession on [[Wall Street]], deregulation, the [[Bush Administration]]. The film whitewashes Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac's role and claims the financial system corrupted politics. Capitalists are the bad guys.<br />
*[[Fair Game]]<br />
:Another Bush bash flick starring communist [[Sean Penn]]. 2010 film rehashes the lead up to the war in Iraq and [[Valerie Plame]]'s role. Typical un-American Hollywood film ''&quot;The narrative that [[Karl Rove]] and Dick Cheney’s Chief of Staff [[Scooter Libby]] were nefarious behind-the-scenes players intent on destroying innocent reputations while pushing the nation into war on false pretenses.&quot;'' &lt;ref&gt;[http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/10/hollywood-hit-job-fair-game-propagates-easily-disprovable-myths-about-lead-up-to-iraq-war/ Hollywood hit job: ‘Fair Game’ propagates easily disprovable myths about lead up to Iraq War http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/10/hollywood-hit-job-fair-game-propagates-easily-disprovable-myths-about-lead-up-to-iraq-war The Daily Caller, November 11, 2010]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[The Iron Lady]]<br />
: Meryl Streep plays [[Margaret Thatcher]] in this gross mistake of a film. Liberals distort her triumphs and her low career points. Streep portrays Thatcher as a dementia-sufferer looking back at her life with sadness. The director defended the film as &quot;a fictional film but it will be fair and accurate.” Thatcher's children Mark and Carol are appalled and say “They think it sounds like some Left-wing fantasy.&quot; &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/7895160/Margaret-Thatchers-family-are-appalled-at-Meryl-Streep-film.html Margaret Thatcher's family are 'appalled' at Meryl Streep film, Telegraphe.co.uk, July 17, 2010]&lt;/ref&gt; <br />
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*[[The Tillman Story]]<br />
:A liberals view of the circumstances surrounding the death of football star and Army Ranger [[Pat Tillman]]. The film portrays each and every fact as sinister. Plus, each and every fact is evidence of a conspiracy. Typical Hollywood [[George W. Bush]] bashing flick. The bias was clear, make Tillman a liberal atheist anti-war hero that was cannon-fodder for the government. Tillman's actions speak louder than any twisted accusations presented in this documentary. &lt;ref&gt;[http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/kschlichter/2010/07/13/the-tillman-story-dont-let-the-facts-get-in-the-way-of-your-agenda/ FILM REVIEW: Absurd Conspiracy Theories Abound in Agenda-Driven ‘Tillman Story’, BigHollywood.com]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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*[[Matthew Shepard Fallacy]]<br />
:Adherents to Hollywood values &quot;green-lighted a troika of [[Matthew Shepard]] movies after he was senselessly killed because it affirmed their gut feeling that a gay young man living in backward America is destined for death at the hands of hateful ultraconservatives. A street in West Hollywood still stands in his name despite ABC News reporting the story false: He was killed by crazed meth addicts for drugs and money -- not because he was gay. Isn't that tragic enough? Yet Shepard is still the icon of gay victims' rights, and the mistaken story of his 'fate' soon thereafter befell Jake Gyllenhaal's character in 'Brokeback Mountain.' The Oscar statuette stands as the exclamation point.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-op-dustup26sep26,0,1800794,full.story&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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*[[Inherit the Wind]] <br />
:Hollywood perpetuated complete lies about the [[Scopes Trial]] in order to smear Christianity, including:<br />
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:*portraying [[William Jennings Bryan]] as being ignorant, harsh and punitive, based on a false portrayal of his actions and testimony<br />
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:*falsely claiming that at the end Bryan, in a senseless fit of madness, died in the courtroom amid caring and reasonable Darwinists<br />
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:*falsely portraying the Darwinists in a positive light and the Christians as deceitful<br />
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:In real life, Bryan and the Christians won the trial and were charitable to the end, while the Darwinist Darrow was deceitful in reneging on his deal to take the witness stand after Bryan did.<br />
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*[[U 571]]<br />
:The 2000 film [[U 571]] had a plot which was based on the first capture of a German Enigma machine in [[World War 2]]. However, in the film the capture is made by Americans. In fact the first Enigma machine was captured by the British in 1941 prior to the Americans entering the war.<br />
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*[[Better This World]]<br />
:2011 documentary &quot;feature length lie&quot; is a [[PBS]] film regarding the thwarted domestic terrorist attack at the 2008 [[Republican]] National Convention and [[liberal]]s attempt to re-write history. &lt;ref&gt;[http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hgiles/2011/04/04/better-this-world-another-chapter-in-hollywoods-love-affair-with-terrorists/ ‘Better This World’: Another Chapter in Hollywood’s Love Affair With Terrorists]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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*[[Recount-film]]<br />
:The 2008 [[HBO]] movie on the 2000 Presidential elections and its aftermath in Florida. A look into how the [[Republicans]] stole the election and the role of its party members that made it happen. Republicans are portrayed as ghoulish and cited as manufacturing demonstrations. Both the real Warren Christopher and James Baker contend the film’s portrayal of the former is hopelessly untrue. &lt;ref&gt;[http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/hbos-recount-hanging-chads-and-black-humor/ HBO’s Recount: Hanging Chads, Black Humor] The Washington Times, May 4, 2008&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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*[[Winter Soldiers]]<br />
:The 1972 film about U.S. troops from Vietnam put on record as baby killers, human rights violators, and general disservice to America. This myth was propagated by a few anti-war activist liberal actors that never did see combat in [[Vietnam]] and some were never in the country. The initial result was to hold hearings in Congress over the matter. All allegations were proven fabrications, falsehoods, and lies.<br />
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*[[An Inconvenient Truth]]<br />
:The 2006 false documentary about man-made [[global warming]] created &amp; hyped by [[Al Gore]]. A [[British]] court found the film contained at least [http://www.conservapedia.com/Global_warming#Al_Gore.27s_.22Inconvenient_Truth.22_Movie_Claims 11 material falsehoods]. The Science and Public Policy Institute has found 35 falsehoods associated with the film. &lt;ref&gt;[http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/monckton/goreerrors.html 35 Inconvenient Truths, Science and Public Policy Institute]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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*[[Million Dollar Baby]] <br />
:A 2004 [[Clint Eastwood]] pro-[[euthanasia]] film in which Eastwood euthanasies his boxing trainee at her request after she suffered a crippling blow from her opponent that left her incurable. Especially controversial since 2005 when real life [[Terri Schiavo]] was euthanasied by her husband.<br />
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*[[Kinsey]]<br />
:Also 2004. A [[Bill Condon]] film depicting the life of fraudulent sex researcher [[Alfred Kinsey]]. Especially anti-Christian in early scenes' portrayals of Christians as narrow-minded, hypocritical, mean-spirited and stingy. Normalizes all forms of illict sex, esp. homosexual (of which Condon is an activist for), which resulted in the current [[venereal disease]] epidemics (i.e. [[AIDS]]), widespread [[abortion]], [[divorce]], [[pornography]], [[sex crimes]] and [[unmarried parenting]] and related urban poverty and violence by irresponsible parents.<br />
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*[[Brokeback Mountain]]<br />
:2005. Like [[Kinsey]], it's also extremely graphic and pro-homosexual in its story of an off and on &quot;romance&quot; between two rural [[Wyoming]] cowboys during the 1960s-1980s.<br />
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*[[Fahrenheit 911]]<br />
:A [[Michael Moore]] film that was a false portrayal of why America fought a war against [[Saddam Hussein]]'s Iraq. The main theme was to attack [[George W. Bush]] during wartime.<br />
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*[[Sicko]]<br />
:Another [[Michael Moore]] film which spread many falsehoods about American healthcare while unduly glorifying the so-called benefits of socialized healthcare. Memorably referred to Cuban healthcare as being better than American healthcare.<br />
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*[[Redacted]]<br />
:Brian De Palma’s 2007 fictional anti-Iraq War film funded by [[Mark Cuban]]. The film is credited with inspiring a terrorist attack that killed two U.S. servicemen in [[Germany]]. &lt;ref&gt;[http://weaselzippers.us/2011/03/11/confirmed-german-authorities-say-de-palmas-anti-military-movie-redacted-motivated-frankfurt-jihadi-to-murder-american-airmen/ Confirmed: German Authorities Say De Palma’s Anti-Military Movie “Redacted” Motivated Frankfurt Jihadi to Murder American Airmen, March 11, 2011]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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==Disrespect for marriage==<br />
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Many celebrities and other exponents of Hollywood Values have no respect for the sanctity of marriage - their own or anyone else's. This is manifested in a high rate of marriage breakdown, and by the home-wrecking activities of the promiscuous, whose moral outlooks have been distorted by liberal and atheistic teachings.<br />
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*In 1978 [[Ted Nugent]] started a relationship with then seventeen-year-old [[Hawaii]] native Pele Massa. Due to Massa being a minor at the time, Nugent could not marry her. Instead he joined Massa's parents in signing documents to make himself her [[legal guardian]].&lt;ref name=Spin2000&gt;{{Cite journal|last=Spitz|first=Marc|month=October|year=2000|work=The 100 Sleaziest Moments in Rock|title=Wang Dang Technically Legal Poontang: Whether Hunting or Romancing, the Nuge Likes Fresh Meat|journal=Spin|volume=16|issue=10|page=134|issn=0886-3032|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=HTMuhxamaFEC&amp;pg=PA134|accessdate=August 23, 2010}}&lt;/ref&gt; In 1995 Nugent fathered a child out of wedlock.&lt;ref&gt;http://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&amp;newsitemID=38423&lt;/ref&gt; He was already married at the time to his current wife, Shemane Nugent (né Deziel).&lt;ref&gt;http://entertainment.blogs.foxnews.com/2012/08/10/how-these-rock-stars-met-their-wives/&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Cecil B. Demille]], despite his direction of popular [[Biblical epics]], committed [[adultery]] during his marriage. <br />
*[[Ingrid Bergman]], Swedish actress who achieved U.S. fame in the 1940s with ''[[Casablanca]]'' (1942) and ''[[The Bells Of St. Mary's]]'' (1945). In 1950, Ingrid, who was married to fellow Swede, Peter Lindstrom, had an affair with director Roberto Rosellini while in Italy while filming his direction of ''[[Stromboli]]'' (1950) and remained there after becoming pregnant with his child. This caused her to be blacklisted from U.S. films for several years and denounced from pulpits as &quot;an agent of evil&quot; until her comeback in ''[[Anastasia]]'' (1956). Her marriage to Rosellini, like the one to Lindstrom, ended in divorce, as did her third and last marriage afterwards to Lars Schmidt. Bergman died August 29, 1982 in London on the night of her 67th birthday.<br />
*[[Bonnie Lee Bakely]] was married ten times, divorced four, annuled five and her last marriage (to [[Robert Blake]]) was the only one ending in death-hers in 2001.<br />
*[[Humphrey Bogart]], His first three marriages ended in divorce and his fourth (to [[Lauren Bacall]]) was the only one ending in death-his from throat cancer in 1957, age 51.<br />
*[[Joan Crawford]] (real name Lucille Fay LeSueur), last of Hollywood's &quot;movie queens&quot; with roles spanning 45 years (1925-1970, most of her popularity in the 1930s) and long since a [[homosexual]] [[idol]], was married and divorced three times and named as the other woman in at least one affair with a married man. Her fourth and last marriage to Pepsi Company's president Alfred Steele was the only one ending in death (his in 1959). When Joan died in 1977, her public disinheriting of her two oldest remaining adopted children from her $2M estate &quot;for reasons that should be well known to them&quot; was said to have caused her oldest daughter, Christina, to write her best-selling book ''[[Mommie Dearest]]'' (1978, adapted into film in 1981), which alleged a lifetime of [[extramarital affairs]], [[alcoholism]] and selfishness-induced [[child abuse]] at a time when child abuse was rarely talked about in public. Unfortunately, like her adoptive mother, Christina also got married and divorced three times in her own lifetime.<br />
*[[Frances Farmer]], who as a [[public school]]er in 1931, denied God in a controversial award winning high school essay and in 1935, visited the [[USSR]], was also popular in the 1930s to the point of being considered &quot;the next [[Greta Garbo]]&quot;, had three marriages at least two of whom ended in divorce, with extramarital affairs during at least one that included one with married writer Clifford Odets. She also had multiple [[abortions]] when abortion was illegal; the guilt of which caused her to avoid all contact with children. In 1958, however, when she moved to [[Indianapolis]] (she died there in 1970 at age 56), a friend's child whispered to her that she was &quot;good&quot;, something that nobody ever said or thought about her before. Soon afterwards, she went to St. [[Joan of Arc]] Catholic Church in where she went to [[confession]] of all her sins and took up classes about and in 1959 was baptized into the Catholic faith, turning away from her former lifestyle.<br />
*[[Judy Garland]], best known as &quot;Dorothy Gale&quot; in ''[[The Wizard Of Oz]]'' had five marriages, the first four ended in divorce, the last ended only three months later in her death in [[London]] from a barbituate O.D. in 1969 at age 46.<br />
*[[Florence Henderson]], despite her wholesome ''Carol Brady'' image on ''[[The Brady Bunch]]'', fell victim to these values ([[adultery]]) during her first marriage to Ira Bernstein in the late 1960s and early 1970s in an affair with [[New York City]]'s then-mayor John Lindsay, who she claims gave her crab lice. She divorced Berstein in 1985 and married John Kappas in 1987, which lasted until his death in 2002.<br />
*[[Katharine Hepburn]], whose movie and TV career spanned over 60 years, married to get money for her career in 1928 at age 21. It ended in divorce in 1941, after about 13 years. Shortly afterwards, she entered into adulterous relationships with her agent, [[Leland Hayward]] as well as [[Howard Hughes]] and [[Spencer Tracy]], the latter for 26 years until Tracy's death in 1967 at 67. The only &quot;respect&quot; Katharine had for Spencer's marriage was that she didn't attend Spencer's funeral. <br />
*[[Lana Turner]] Seven of her eight of her marriages ended in divorce and one in [[annulment]]. Two of them (her second &amp; third) were to the same man.<br />
*[[Larry King]] (real name Lawrence Zeiger) has been married eight (8) times to seven (7) different women.<br />
*[[Elizabeth Taylor]] has been married eight (8) times, including a nearly 6-year marriage to [[John Warner|Senator John Warner]] (R-VA). Taylor was married to and divorced twice from [[Richard Burton]].&lt;ref&gt;http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000072/bio&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Spencer Tracy]], best known as Father Flannigan in both ''[[Boys Town]]'' films (1938 and 1941) and also for the pro- [[evolution]] ''[[Inherit The Wind]]'' (1960) and post [[World War II]] court drama ''[[Judgment at Nuremberg]]'' (1961), was married to Louise Ten Broeck Treadwell from 1923-his death in 1967 but engaged in affairs with [[Joan Crawford]], [[Ingrid Bergman]] and his longest one with [[Katharine Hepburn]] until his death at the same time, claiming his &quot;devout Catholic faith&quot; was why he never got or sought a divorce from Treadwell. <br />
*[[Valerie Bertinelli]] said her divorce from [[Eddie Van Halen]] was caused by infidelity and drug use - by her too. She said she was &quot;destroying my body,&quot; trying to keep up with a rock-star lifestyle. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,332551,00.html Valerie Bertinelli About Divorce From Eddie Van Halen: 'I Wasn't An Angel Either'], [[Fox News Channel]], ''[[Associated Press]]'', February 26, 2008&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Eva Gabor]], younger sister of [[Zsa Zsa Gabor]], was married and divorced five times and had extramarital affairs with [[Frank Sinatra]] among others.<br />
*[[Zsa Zsa Gabor]] has been married nine (9) times. One of her marriages - to Felipe de Alba - was annulled after one day. Her current (9th) marriage to Frederic Prinz von Anhalt is the only one that is still intact.<br />
*[[Mickey Rooney]] has been married eight (8) times, but has been with his last wife for 30 years after embracing religion and abandoning his previous lifestyle.<br />
*[[Frank Sinatra]] was married four times, divorced the first three, had affairs with [[Ava Gardener]] and [[Zsa Zsa Gabor]] and had flings with [[prostitutues]]. <br />
*[[Charlie Chaplin]] married four (4) times, including his marriage at the age of 54 to an 18-year-old bride.<br />
*[[James Cameron]] has been married five (5) times, one of which ended when he cheated on his wife. He also had an out of wedlock child with his fourth wife.<br />
*[[Johnny Carson]] married four (4) times, and frequently made light of his having divorced three times, as if this were something funny.<br />
*[[Meredith Baxter]] from ''[[Family Ties]]'', was married and divorced four (4) times. In 2009, she finally admitted that she is a [[homosexual]].<br />
*[[Larry Flynt]]'s first three marriages ended in divorce, his fourth marriage was the only one ending in [[widow]]ment (his by Althea's death) and his current one to Elizabeth Berrios in 1998 came when his daughter, Toyna, published her book ''Hustled'' in which she claims she was sexually abused as a child by him and has since been disowned when she became a [[Christian]] and anti-[[pornography]] [[activist]].<br />
*In 2009, the married [[David Letterman]] admitted to having had adulterous sexual relationships with multiple members of his staff; he had previously fathered a child out of wedlock.<br />
*[[Jayne Mansfield]] was married three times and had numerous extramarital affairs. She appeared in the centerfold of the pornographic magazine Playboy, and died in 1967 at 42 in an automobile accident that was said to have been brought on by a curse placed by [[Satanist]] [[Anton LaVey]] on her lover, [[Sam Brody]], who was driving at the time and had also died, after expressing his hate for LaVey's cult.<br />
*[[Britney Spears]]' 2004 marriage to Jason Alexander lasted 55 hours.<br />
*Musicians [[Cher]] and [[Gregg Allman]] were married for eight days in 1975.<br />
*[[Drew Barrymore]] has two of the shortest celebrity marriages on record, one of 30 days and a five-month marriage to notorious lowbrow comedian Tom Green. Barrymore is a poster child for Hollywood values, as a former child star who became an alcoholic and drug addict who also posed for pornographic magazines.<br />
*[[Arnold Schwarzenegger]], made public that he had an adulterous relationship and fathered a child with another woman.<br />
*[[Halle Berry]], a fanatic supporter of [[Barack Hussein Obama]]&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8605.html Obamamania verges on obsession - Politico]&lt;/ref&gt;, had been married two times in the past and gave birth out of wedlock.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2009/08/21/celebrities-kids-wedlock/ Celebrities Who Had Kids Out of Wedlock - Fox News]&lt;/ref&gt; Later on, Berry and her baby's father Gabriel Aubry had split and a custody battle between the two ensued.&lt;ref&gt;[http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/halle-berrys-latest-blunder-gabriel-aubry/story?id=12813387 Gabriel Aubry: Another Bad Apple for Halle Berry? - ABC News]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Eddie Murphy]] impregnated former Spice Girl Melanie Brown without marrying her&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20043487,00.html Mel B: DNA Proves Eddie Murphy Fathered Her Baby - People Magazine]&lt;/ref&gt; and later on severed all contact with Melanie and their daughter.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/news/a101281/mel-b-writes-song-about-eddie-murphy.html Mel B writes song about Eddie Murphy - Digital Spy]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Kim Kardashian]] and [[NBA]] player [[Kris Humphries]] got divorced after 72 days.&lt;ref&gt;[http://articles.philly.com/2011-11-01/news/30346165_1_kris-humphries-kim-and-kris-kim-kardashian#ixzz1cVCWcXKK Sideshow: Smash go Kim and Kris - The Philadelphia Inquirer]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Producer [[Robert Evans]] has been divorced seven times.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,1205936,00.html Divorce No. 7 for Producer Robert Evans - People Magazine]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Actor [[Gary Oldman]] had been married four times.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/gary-oldman-the-spy-who-came-in-and-brought-the-cold-with-him-2356597.html Gary Oldman: The spy who came in, and brought the cold with him - The Independent]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Pamela Anderson]] has been divorced three times and her latest marriage lasted for only two months.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2008-02-26-pamela-anderson_N.htm Anderson seeks annulment of marriage to Salomon - USA Today]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Gregg Allman]], founding member of The Allman Brothers band, has been married six times and is engaged once again. He has a new memoir out with a Christian title &quot;My Cross to Bear&quot;. [http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2150083/Gregg-Allman-engaged-girlfriend-Shannon-Allman-Brothers-singer-64-marry-blonde-24.html]<br />
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== Offensive Behavior/Moral depravity ==<br />
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* [[Alec Baldwin]], now star of [[30 Rock]], made an obscene phone call in 2007 to his small daughter, Ireland, calling her, among other things, &quot;a thoughtless little pig&quot;.<br />
* [[James Dean]] displayed an unhealthy interest in a 12 year old boy.<br />
* [[Charlie Sheen]] to Wife Brooke Mueller: &quot;I'll Kill You.&quot; &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2010/08/09/charlie-sheen-wife-brook-mueller-ill-kill-you/?test=latestnews Charlie Sheen to Wife Brooke Mueller: &quot;I'll Kill You&quot;]&lt;/ref&gt;. Sheen was arrested on Christmas Day, 2009 for domestic abuse of his current wife Brooke. He was booked for second-degree assault, menacing, and criminal mischief. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2009/12/25/actor-charlie-sheen-arrested-domestic-violence-charges/?test=faces Actor Charlie Sheen Released From Jail After Domestic Abuse Arrest, Fox News, December 25, 2009]&lt;/ref&gt; Sheen has a history that includes assaults against girlfriends and his former wife. He is also infamous for drug/alcohol abuse, having tried (and failed) numerous attempts in rehab clinics. He was fired from the sitcom ''Two and A Half Men'' where, in true Hollywood hypocrisy, he played an &quot;amusingly&quot; alcohol-abusing ladies' man, except the lifestyle proves consequence-free-at least from bad results. Sheen has become dangerously unhinged in recent weeks and has been making increasingly bizarre rants online. No one from Hollywood has yet to step in.<br />
* Trashing hotel rooms is a favorite form of offensive behavior by Hollywood types. Many examples are readily available on the [[internet]].&lt;ref&gt;See, e.g., [http://www.budgettravel.com/bt-dyn/content/article/2007/12/21/AR2007122101034.html]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Mel Gibson]], who had started drinking again, was arrested in 2006 after being stopped for driving at 84 mph in a 45 mph zone on a notoriously dangerous road in Malibu, California.&lt;ref&gt;''Mel Gibson apologizes after DUI arrest'' [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14080210/ Associated Press]&lt;/ref&gt; A breathalyzer test confirmed he was drunk and next to him was an open bottle of Tequila; after being arrested he hurled anti-Semitic abuse at the Jewish police officer who stopped him.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2292336,00.html Mel Gibson rants against Jews in a drunk-driving arrest], Times Online, July 30, 2006&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*The parents of [[Miley Cyrus]], just 15 years old, allowed [[Annie Liebowitz]] to pose the starlet without a shirt or bra (nominally [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/topless &quot;topless&quot;]) and with just a sheet covering her front for Vanity Fair magazine.&lt;ref&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/28/business/media/28hannah.html?_r=1&amp;oref=slogin&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20195785,00.html&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23608789-5001026,00.html&lt;/ref&gt; &quot;I took part in a photo shoot that was supposed to be 'artistic' and now, seeing the photographs and reading the story, I feel so embarrassed,&quot; Cyrus said Sunday in a statement through her publicist. &quot;I never intended for any of this to happen and I apologize to my fans who I care so deeply about.&quot; &lt;ref&gt;http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gYLnT2kyPIgNUurQ71aNM3EJKpRAD90ARTGO0&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
:&quot;... a situation was created to deliberately manipulate a 15-year-old in order to sell magazines,&quot; a network statement said. &lt;ref&gt;http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gYLnT2kyPIgNUurQ71aNM3EJKpRAD90ARTGO0&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Many Hollywood stars who have purposely sought fame have then turned violent upon photographers and fans. [[Sean Penn]] is well known to lash out at photographers.<br />
*The parents of 16-year old Jamie Lynn Spears allowing her unwed pregnancy to be publicly portrayed as a normal act even though she is a role model for millions of underage teenagers. Gloucester, [[Massachusetts]] mayor, Carolyn Kirk, recently blamed the glamorizing of teen pregnancy by Jamie Lynn Spears for the 17 high school teenagers that got pregnant at the same time that Spears did. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2008/06/gloucester_mayo.html Gloucester mayor rebuts report of teen pregnancy pact], June 23, 2008&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Ellen DeGeneres]] proudly displays her [[gay]] sexuality for all to see. On August 16, 2008, DeGeneres &quot;married&quot; Portia de Rossi in a small ceremony in Beverly Hills. Fox News called it &quot;the biggest celebrity union since California legalized same-sex marriage.&quot; &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,405085,00.html Reports: Ellen DeGeneres and Portia de Rossi Wed] AP, August 17, 2008&lt;/ref&gt; Now, her fans and millions of young girls can read about her gay &quot;marriage&quot; in magazines such as People and Us Magazine and hear about it on celebrity news television shows.<br />
*Rapper [[Kanye West]] and his bodyguard attacked the paparazzi at [[LAX]] airport and allegedly smashed a $10,000 camera on the floor. The pair were arrested for felony vandalism. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,420869,00.html Kanye West Arrested in Altercation With Paparazzi] Ap, September 11, 2008&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Heather Locklear]] was arrested on suspicion of driving under the influence of a controlled substance. The officer noticed Locklear's car parked on a state highway and blocking a lane in Montecito, Ca. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,429388,00.html Heather Locklear Arrested on Suspicion of DUI] AP, September 29, 2008&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Celebrity of the moment [[Kourtney Kardashian]] gave a risque lingerie shoot while pregnant with her boyfriend's child. After birth, Mom and baby adorned magazine covers, highlighting the modern acceptance of single motherhood. The cover reads ''&quot;Baby Mason will bring our family together,&quot;'' obscuring the traditional meaning of family. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/entertainment/2009/10/16/kardashian-sisters?slide=2 The Kardashian Family, Fox News]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Actor [[Jude Law]] had a sexual relationship with model Samantha Burke that produced a daughter. It is reported that Law finally went to visit his daughter for the first time, 5 months after she was born. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.celebrity-gossip.net/celebrities/hollywood/jude-law-makes-first-visit-to-love-child-216056/ Jude Law Makes First Visit To Love Child, CelebrityGossip.net, March 1, 2010]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Actor [[Tom Hanks]] called Mormons 'un-American' for their support of Proposition 8 in California. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2009/01/23/tom-hanks-apologizes-calling-mormon-supporters-proposition-american/ Tom Hanks Apologizes for Calling Mormon Supporters of Proposition 8 'Un-American', Fox News, January 23, 2009]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Woody Allen]] seduced and took pornographic photographs of the youthful daughter of his then girlfriend [[Mia Farrow]].<br />
*Director John Waters claims that is biggest influence for his &quot;films&quot; are pornographic movies. In addition, he is openly gay and thinks he's okay.<br />
*[[John Cusack]] calls for a Satanic death cult to descend on Fox News, Dick Armey, Newt Gingrich and GOP welfare freaks. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2010/08/31/actor-john-cusack-calls-satanic-death-fox-news-gop-leaders/?test=faces John Cusack Calls for 'Satanic Death' of Fox News, GOP Leaders, FOXNews, August 31, 2010]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Brad Pitt]], appearing in a Spike Lee film announces his desire to see BP executives get the death penalty. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.politico.com/click/stories/1008/pitt_death_penalty_for_bp.html Brad Pitt: Death Penalty For BP, Politico, August 23, 2010]&lt;/ref&gt; Pitt also admitted to having a history of drug use, and while he claims it belongs in his past [[Quentin Tarantino]] has said otherwise.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1207391/Brad-Pitt-offered-drugs-reveals-Quentin-Tarantino-actor-claims-quit-cannabis-years-ago.html 'Brad Pitt offered me drugs,' reveals Quentin Tarantino after actor claims he quit cannabis years ago - Daily Mail]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Tracy Morgan]] made lewd comments about [[Sarah Palin]].&lt;ref&gt;[http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/01/tnt_apologizes_for_tracy_morga.html TNT Apologizes for Tracy Morgan’s Sarah Palin Comment - New York Magazine]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Keith Richards]], guitarist of the [[Rolling Stones]], has said that he snorted his father's ashes.&lt;ref&gt;[http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/17933669/ns/today-entertainment/t/keith-richards-says-he-snorted-fathers-ashes/#.TrAYI3L4JJE Keith Richards says he snorted father's ashes - MSNBC]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*During one of his performances, [[Michael Richards]] lashed at a member of the audience with racial slurs.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/tv/story/2006/11/20/kramer-racial-slurs.html Richards 'deeply, deeply sorry' for racial slurs - CBC]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Larry Wachowski, one of the directors of [[The Matrix]], previously dressed in drag before receiving a sex change and now goes by Lana Wachowski.<br />
*International filmmaker, Federico Fellini did acid as a source of inspiration.<br />
*Trey Parker and Matt Stone, creators of [[South Park]], attended the 2000 Academy Award Ceremony while dressed in drag; later on they admitted to taking drugs prior to doing so.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.inquisitr.com/146670/trey-parker-and-matt-stone-say-acid-trip-was-behind-drag-appearance-at-2000-oscars/ Trey Parker and Matt Stone Say Acid Trip Was Behind Drag Appearance at 2000 Oscars - The Inquisitr]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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=== Hollywood actor Dan Akroyd on bestiality ===<br />
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{{cquote| &quot;I draw the line at bestiality because it’s unfair to the dog or the cat. ''' If the dog or the cat had consciousness, then that’d be OK with me.''' Sexuality has nothing to do with morality.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2008/sep/08091610 In New Book Actor Dan Akroyd Says he Would Support Bestiality if Animals Were Sentient]&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br />
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== Hollywood &quot;humor&quot; ==<br />
Another manifestation of Hollywood's offensiveness and moral depravity is found in many of its &quot;comedy&quot; movies. More so than any other entertainment industry, many Hollywood productions rely on lowbrow, juvenile humor. Unlike more intelligent comedies of the early to mid-20th century (such as ''The Great Dictator'' or ''Arsenic and Old Lace''), many contemporary Hollywood comedies eschew intelligence, social commentary, wit or satire in favor of lower-hanging fruit, such as &quot;toilet humor,&quot; nudity/sex, gratuitous violence and shock value. Examples of such films include:<br />
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*''American Pie'' - a long-running film franchise primarily dealing with teenage sex and alcohol; it relies on jokes about sex and bodily functions<br />
*''Jackass'' - These films are essentially montages of ridiculous stunts and pranks with no coherent story<br />
*''[[Beavis and Butthead]]'' 1990s MTV series and its 1996 [[movie]] adaptation (&quot;Beavis and Butthead Do America&quot;) make fun of injuries and their related suffering and, in the movie version, &quot;moon&quot; (expose their buttockses) [[nuns]].<br />
*[[Mel Brooks]] ''History of The World Part I'' (1981) makes fun of, among other things, the [[Dawn of Man]] by showing [[cavemen]] breaking their feet and creating the first [[homosexual marriage]], [[Moses]] bringing the [[Ten Commandments]] to the Israelites by literally breaking the extra five, many sex jokes and a mockery of the [[Last Supper]] in its [[Roman Empire]] scenes, mocked the sufferings of [[Jews]] under 1489's [[Spanish Inquistion]] and shows France's King [[Louis XVI]] (played by Brooks) in the [[French Revolution]] scenes using real humans as skeet targets for his target practice games, while hypocritically saying, &quot;I detest violence&quot;.<br />
* TV [[sitcoms]] ''[[All In The Family]]'' and its first spinoff ''[[Maude]]'' included controversial subjects in an often depressing way. ''[[Maude]]'' for example, had its title character getting an [[abortion]] in its first year. Later sitcom entries ''[[Married With Children]]'', ''[[Roseanne]]'' and ''[[The Simpsons]]'' (latter is still running over 20 years on) are also full of such humor.<br />
*''[[South Park]]'' - uses constant iterations of urine, feces, farting and shock humor, such as jokes about [[abortion]], [[rape]] and the [[Holocaust]].<br />
*''There's Something About Mary'' - contains gratuitous sex and jokes about bodily functions<br />
*''[[Family Guy]]'' - notorious for its shock tactics, this show routinely employs willful tastelessness for comedic shock value. Examples include one regular character who is a pedophile, a pet dog who drinks heavily as well as constant Hitler jokes.<br />
*''[[Cheech and Chong]]'' films are the original [[pot]] pair.<br />
*''[[Harold and Kumar]]'' films - the adventures of the pot-smoking duo that play up ethnic stereotypes, a la Cheech &amp; Chong. <br />
*''[[Dogma]]''- a movie that makes fun of the Bible and religion.<br />
* Lowbrow comedies like ''Porky's'', ''Vacation'' ([[Chevy Chase]], Beverly D'Angelo), ''Police Academy'' and ''Revenge of The Nerds'' series are full of all of the above.<br />
* ''Heathers''&lt;ref&gt;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097493/&lt;/ref&gt; - a pathetically grim comedy featuring [[public school]] kids killing other students while making it look like suicide.<br />
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== Rehabilitation clinics ==<br />
Hollywood values often result in [[Celebrity|celebrities]] going into rehabilitation clinics. Here are some examples:<br />
*[[Anthony Michael Hall]], of teen &quot;humor&quot; pics ''[[Sixteen Candles]]'' and ''[[The Breakfast Club]]'' where he was a real life [[teenager]], was in rehab for [[alcoholism]].<br />
*[[Kirsten Dunst]] checked into the [[Cirque Lodge]] treatment facility in [[Utah]] after a week of hard partying at the [[Sundance Film Festival]], according to a source at the lodge, although the lodge's director of operations denies this. &lt;ref name = &quot;foxkirsten&quot;&gt;<br />
[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329545,00.html Reports Say Kirsten Dunst in Rehab; Rep for Facility Denies It], ''[[Fox News]]'', February 08, 2008&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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The following all checked into the above facility seeking treatment for various psychological problems:<br />
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*[[Lindsay Lohan]]&lt;ref name = &quot;foxkirsten&quot;/&gt;<br />
*[[Eva Mendes]]&lt;ref name = &quot;foxkirsten&quot;/&gt;<br />
*[[Mary-Kate Olsen]]&lt;ref name = &quot;foxkirsten&quot;/&gt;<br />
*[[Robert Downey Jr.]]<br />
*[[Courtney Love]]<br />
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*[[Heather Locklear]]&lt;ref&gt;&quot;A spokeswoman for the 47-year-old star said: 'Heather has been dealing with anxiety and depression.'&quot; She &quot;checked into a clinic in [[Arizona]] that treats depression.&quot;[http://www.pnas.org/content/101/11/3721.full]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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*[[David Arquette]], enters rehab for for treatment of alcohol abuse and depression. &lt;ref&gt;[http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/gossip/2011/01/david-arquette-rehab-alcohol-courteney-cox-arquette.html David Arquette enters rehab; Courteney Cox supportive, L.A. Times, January 3, 2011]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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*[[David Duchovny]], having boosted Hollywood Values through his role in a decadent television series, now finds himself trapped by the depravity that he promoted, and has had to enter rehab for his addiction to unchastity&lt;ref&gt;http://www.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUSN2835847820080829&lt;/ref&gt;.<br />
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== Hypocrisy ==<br />
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Hollywood personalities often propose legislation such as outlawing private gun ownership, or speak out against things such as anti-gun laws, but have at the same time acted in movies contrary to their own public opinions: <br />
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* [[George Clooney]] on hearing that fellow actor and gun-rights advocate, [[Charlton Heston]], suffers from Alzheimer's disease, said: ''&quot;I don't care. Charlton Heston is the head of the [[National Rifle Association]]. He deserves whatever anyone says about him.&quot;''&lt;ref&gt;http://www.funnyreign.com/quotes-georgeclooney.shtml&lt;/ref&gt; Clooney starred in the film ''The Peacemaker'', in which he played an American military man defending the country from a nuclear attack; scenes in the film showed him using a gun to defend himself and others. <br />
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* [[Mark Wahlberg]] upon meeting Charlton Heston on the set of 2001's remake of ''Planet of the Apes'', Wahlberg rudely told Heston, &quot;It was very disturbing meeting you.&quot; Later, Wahlberg would have this to say at the MTV Movie Awards: ''&quot;I believe Charlton Heston is America's best villain because he loves guns so much. Maybe he should get the award for being president of the National Rifle Associati on.&quot;''&lt;ref&gt;http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=2360&lt;/ref&gt; Wahlberg's character in ''Planet of the Apes'' uses a gun to defend himself and other humans from the apes who would rule over them.<br />
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* [[Helen Mirren]] played Queen Elizabeth II in 2006's movie 'The Queen', but [http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,414361,00.html admits she used to use cocaine] as a result of her poor life choices as a younger woman.<br />
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* The [[Toyota Prius]]: Many celebrities will often be seen driving a Prius when in the public eye but drive a supercar such as a [[Porsche]] or [[Ferrari]] when they believe people are not watching.<br />
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==Using appearances to promote their [[liberal]] political views==<br />
*Rapper Kanye West infamously went way off script during a live benefit concert for victims of Hurricane Katrina, criticizing the media's treatment of images of black and white people and saying President [[George W. Bush]] &quot;doesn't care about black people.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/03/AR2005090300165.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*During the live broadcast of the 2007 Emmy Awards, actress Sally Field went on a sputtering anti-war rant, eventually concluding by saying, &quot;If the mothers ruled the world, there would be no g**d*** war in the first place.&quot; She received thunderous applause from the Hollywood audience for her vulgar remark.&lt;ref&gt;http://www.abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=3610891&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Michael Moore]] surprised no one by criticizing President Bush during his 2003 Oscar acceptance speech for &quot;Bowling for Columbine,&quot; saying, &quot;We live in the time where we have fictitious election results that elect a fictitious president. We live in a time where we have a man who's sending us to war for fictitious reasons, whether it's the fiction of duct tape or the fiction of orange alerts. We are against this war, Mr. Bush. Shame on you, Mr. Bush. Shame on you.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/features/20030323-2028-oscars-moore.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Actress Jessica Lange verbally attacked President Bush and the Iraq War during a 2008 commencement speech at Sarah Lawrence College in Yonkers, New York, stating, &quot;We are living in an America that, in the last seven and a half years, has waged an unnecessary war, established prison camps, condoned torture, employed corporate armies, eliminated the right of habeas corpus, practiced extraordinary rendition, and believe me, this is only a partial list.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;http://cbs5.com/politics/Jessica.Lange.President.2.732264.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Actress Megan Fox was recently quoted by MSN in a piece entitled &quot;The Wit and Wisdom of Megan Fox&quot; discussing her new movie Transformers 2. She said &quot;why not just take out all of the white trash, hillbilly, anti-gay, super Bible-beating people in Middle America?” &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.onenewsnow.com/Blog/Default.aspx?id=559876 Megan Fox would barter using ‘Bible-beating white trash’]OneNewsNow.com&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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==Vanity and [[Idol]] Worship==<br />
[[Hollywood]] places a value on appearance and it is driven into the minds of those who they seek profits and adulation from. There is such a need to be rich and famous that anything goes. It may be glamorizing to reveal skin &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/entertainment/2009/07/15/lovely-talented-khloe-kardashian?test=faces The youngest of the Kardashian gals decided flashing photographers was the best way to get some attention, FOX News, April 1, 2010]&lt;/ref&gt; or shamelessly being sex symbols to audiences. Pat-your-back awards ceremonies whereby we breathlessly await the ''stars'' to arrive. Naturally, scandals make big headlines and these people are no stranger to controversy for [[money]]. These fake gods have captured the hearts of millions upon millions who follow their every move. Negative stereotypes poison the minds of their followers. Women feel less worthy due to the overwhelming influence touching every part of society. [[Pennsylvania State University|Penn State's]] Media Research found the following regarding women's magazines, &quot;Past research indicates that exposure to thin models results in lower [[self-esteem]] and decreased weight satisfaction, and to increased depression, guilt, shame, [[stress]], insecurity and body dissatisfaction.&quot; &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.psu.edu/dept/medialab/research/selfworth.html Construction of Beauty as a Measure of Self-Worth] Penn State Media Research&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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==Award Shows==<br />
Fans of Hollywood are served copious amounts of vanity and glamour as celebrities are greeted on the red-carpet attending award events. Paparazzi snap pictures and the stars are rated for their appearance in various tabloids and entertainment television. Once the celebrities have arrived at the awards, television cameras capture for the masses acceptance speeches of their beloved stars. Once limited to couple of banquets such as the [[Emmy Award|Emmys]] or [[Golden Globe]]s, now some two-dozen award shows are vying for exposure. These new award shows offer glimpses into ego and moral depravity of Hollywood. It's not uncommon for the stars to act cool by cussing to the audience during acceptance speeches. These awards shows have become tawdry events that are marketed mostly to teens. <br />
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*Madonna engages in a lustful lesbian kiss onstage to [[Britney Spears]] at the 2003 MTV Music Video Awards. &lt;ref&gt;[http://top40.about.com/od/britneyspears/ig/Britney-Spears-Photo-Biography/Britney-Spears-Kissing-Madonna.htm Britney Spears and Madonna Kiss, About.com, 2003]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*A notoriously self-serving [[Kanye West]] jumped onstage at the [[MTV Video Awards]] to interrupt an acceptance speech by [[Taylor Swift]]. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.examiner.com/x-15972-Raleigh-Pop-Culture-Examiner~y2009m9d14-MTV-Video-Music-Awards-inspire-annual-controversy MTV Video Music Awards inspire annual controversy, Examiner.com, September 14, 2009]&lt;/ref&gt; <br />
*[[Mariah Carey]] attended the Palm Springs International Film Festival. Her acceptance speech was made while completely drunk. &lt;ref&gt;[http://neonlimelight.com/2010/01/06/video-mariah-carey-accepts-film-festival-award-drunk/ Video: Mariah Carey Accepts Film Festival Award Drunk, Neonlimelight.com, January 6, 2010]&lt;/ref&gt; <br />
*[[Miley Cyrus]] performed at the Teen Choice Awards in August 2009. The 16-year old was dancing around on a stripper pole. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1619183/20090820/cyrus__miley.jhtml Billy Ray Cyrus Defends Miley's Teen Choice Pole Dance, MTV.com, August 20, 2009]&lt;/ref&gt; <br />
*Actor [[Jack Black]] opened the 2009 MTV Video Awards by leading everyone in a prayer to [[Satan]]. &lt;ref&gt;[http://christianpress.com/content/entertainment/11-lifestyle/360-jack-black-leads-a-prayer-to-the-devil-at-the-2009-mtv-awards Satan Jack Black Leads A Prayer To The Devil At The 2009 MTV Awards, Christian Press, September 14, 2009 ]&lt;/ref&gt; <br />
*Adam Lambert’s [[American Music Awards]] performance received over 1500 complaints for flipping off the audience, kissing a male keyboard player, and fondling several of his backup dancers. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.ecanadanow.com/entertainment/2009/11/28/did-you-find-adam-lamberts-american-music-awards-performance-offensive/comment-page-1/ Did You Find Adam Lambert’s American Music Awards Performance Offensive?, eCanadanow.com, November 28, 2009]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*Nominees for the 13th annual 2011 [[Teen Choice Awards]] include a lesbian kiss, a masturbating dog, a pot head middle school teacher. ''&quot;Teens will vote for their favorites, ranging from artists with hits about S&amp;M, to sex and drug-filled R-rated comedies, to favorite “break up” songs – one nominated song features the “f” word 16 times.&quot;'' &lt;ref&gt;[http://m.newsbusters.org/blogs/erin-r-brown/2011/08/05/producers-pick-lesbian-kiss-r-rated-movies-teen-choice-award-nominees Producers Pick Lesbian Kiss, R-Rated Movies as Teen Choice Award Nominees, Newsbusters.org, August 5, 2011]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
*[[Nicki Minaj]] performed an &quot;ode to Satanism&quot; in 2012 at the Grammy Awards show&lt;ref&gt;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2100258/Grammys-2012-Nicki-Minaj-morphs-possessed-alter-ego-Roman-levitates-live-exorcism.html&lt;/ref&gt;. &lt;ref&gt;http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=8639&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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==Preying on Underage Stars==<br />
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Very many child actors and actresses have gone on to have damaged and tragically short lives as a result of early exposure to Hollywood Values.<br />
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Debbie Gibson reflects on her life as a sixteen-year-old teenage Pop star and her exposure to the very sinister side of show business. “It is very disheartening that there are so many older men that prey on young performers.” What is even more disturbing than dirty male fans would be older male record executives trying to take her to adult parties and corrupt her with alcohol. Even the way the paparazzi stalk the younger artists is very different from following around adults. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,533542,00.html?test=faces Debbie Gibson Speaks Out About Pedophile Fans Wanting to 'Corrupt Little Girls' Fox News, July 17, 2009]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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Former child-actor Corey Feldman tells ABC that a big group of Hollywood executives are responsible for pedophilia and rape of underage stars. &lt;ref&gt;[http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/aprice/2011/08/16/child-molestation-allegations-against-hollywood-must-be-investigated/ Child Molestation Allegations Against Hollywood Must Be Investigated]&lt;/ref&gt; Feldman blames the death of troubled teen actor Corey Haim on Haim's Hollywood agent who molested him at age 14. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2025357/Paedophilia-Hollywoods-biggest-problem-alleges-child-star-Corey-Feldman.html 'Paedophilia is Hollywood's biggest problem,' explosive claim by former child star Corey Feldman, UK Dailymail, August 12, 2011]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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The father of teen idol Miley Cyrus said Disney destroyed their family. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/02/15/billy-ray-cyrus-scared-daughter-miley-says-hannah-montana-destroyed-family/#?test=faces Billy Ray Cyrus Scared For Daughter Miley, Says Hannah Montana 'Destroyed My Family', Fox News, February 15, 2011 &lt;/ref&gt; Billy Ray Cyrus accuses Miley's 'handlers' (Disney Executives) of going too far to promote her and when she got bad press they made her father the scapegoat.<br />
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=== Reality Stars ===<br />
[[MTV]] is notorious for filming underage reality stars. The pressure of instant fame with people in trying circumstances to begin with, the off camera news starts to creep more into the media. Arrests, suicide attempts, drugs and rehab are just some of the issues involving reality stars personal lives. Legal contracts with the network spell out MTV's rights to exploit their situations on the show. Psychologist Dr. Jeff Gardere. “In this country the media rewards bad behavior with more attention, thus more bad behavior is manifested because it is reinforced and rewarded.&quot; &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/06/17/is-mtv-repsonsible-when-at-risk-girls-it-exploits-go-off-deep-end/#ixzz1PYwX10oc Is MTV Responsible When At-Risk Teens it Features Go Off the Deep End?, Fox News, June 17, 2011]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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==Productions==<br />
The diseased moral values of the Liberal-dominated entertainment industry are manifested all too clearly in many of the products of that industry - motion pictures and television programs that offer no edification or instruction to the viewer, but plumb a cesspit of license and depravity. Some recent examples include the television series ''[[Desperate Housewives]]'' and ''[[Sex and the City]]'''s TV series and its movies.<br />
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==Religion==<br />
A short study of the ten most successful actors &lt;ref&gt;http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-most-successful-actors-at-the-box-office.php 10 most successful actors] &lt;/ref&gt; shows that only 50% are Christian (compared to 76% for the general population), with 30% expressing no religious beliefs at all (15% in the general public). These actors have had successful careers and it is very likely that religious affiliation in regular actors is much lower, exposing or predisposing them to the influence of Hollywood values. [[David Lynch]], for example, is apathetic towards all [[politics]] and [[religions]] and prefers [[transcedental meditation]] instead. Adrian Zmed, 1980s [[teen idol]] who starred alongside [[William Shatner]] in the [[1980s]] police drama, ''T.J. Hooker'', said in a 1983 interview with [[People Magazine]] that his rigid upbringing by his Romanian [[Eastern Orthodox]] [[priest]] father caused him to play juvenile deliquent and greaser roles (ex. in [[Broadway]]'s long running stage musical ''[[Grease]]'' and the 1982 sequel [[movie]] ''[[Grease 2]]'') as a relief from &quot;having a [[Father]] who is *your* [[father]]&quot;, and had also said &quot;Preachers kids have a sense of rebellion in them&quot;.<br />
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[[Scientology]] is practiced by many Hollywood personalities. [[Tom Cruise]], [[Krisite Alley]] and [[John Travolta]] are perhaps the most well known Hollywood Scientologists.<br />
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==Books==<br />
* ''Hollywood Against America''<br />
* ''Hollywood Babylon'' (1965) by Kenneth Anger (US edition)<br />
* ''Hollywood Babylon II'' (1984) by Kenneth Anger<br />
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==See also==<br />
*[[Supermodel]]s<br />
*[[Gallery of American Heroes]]<br />
*[[World Famous Pictures]]<br />
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==External Links==<br />
*[http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5ic_Q3agTpruvzoCJ5UxWaAqGJW3A Bush attacks 'Hollywood values'], ''AFP'', Oct 1, 2007<br />
*[http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/index.html Mug-shots of arrested Hollywood stars]<br />
*[http://www.parentstv.org/ptc/news/articles/2010/mtvmovieawards.asp Parent's Television Council: MTV’s Movie Awards Will Honor Profanity]<br />
*[http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/vernon/100802 From Hollywood: to Hitler with love (Stalin, too)]<br />
*[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2010/12/17/dumbest-things-celebs-said/?test=faces Ten Dumbest Things Celebs Said in 2010]<br />
*[http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/entertainment/2011/01/04/foul-mouthed-celebs/?test=faces#slide=1 Foul Mouthed Celebrities]<br />
*[http://www.irishexaminerusa.com/mt/2011/01/04/pop_culture_killing_classic_tr.html Pop Culture Killing Classic Traditions]<br />
*[http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/ Andrew Breitbart's BigHollywood.com]<br />
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<div>'''CGI''' is a technique used for special effects in [[films]] and [[animation]]. It stands for '''computer generated imagery'''. CGI is made by rendering a model on a [[computer]] and animating it. Like a computerized version of stop motion. Recent advances in computer technology have allowed for more realistic effects and even full movies made only through CGI. Examples of films produced fully in CGI include the [[Toy Story]] series and many of [[Pixar]] and Dreamwork's films. <br />
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<div>'''Brothers to the Rescue''' was a courageous group of pilots who would patrol waters between [[communism|communist]] [[Cuba]] and the [[United States]], in order to help those who fled Cuba to freedom.<br />
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On Feb. 24, 1996, [[Fidel Castro]]'s air force murdered these defenseless human rights workers by shooting them out of the sky with [[Soviet Union]]-built [[MiG]]s.<br />
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*[http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/02/23/3250842/a-salute-to-the-pilots-shot-down.html A tribute to the Brothers to the Rescue published in the Miami Herald]<br />
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<div>A '''battery charger''' stores chemical energy into a battery by forcing [[electrical current]] through it, reversing the chemical reactions that produce [[energy]].<br />
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<div>A '''battery charger''' stores chemical energy into a [[battery]] by forcing electrical current through it, reversing the chemical reactions that produce [[energy]].<br />
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<div>'''Banter''' is the good-humored exchange of teasing remarks. A common example of banter is among [[sports]] fans, who may deliberately bring up reminders of a recent loss in a playfully provocative way. To an outsider, banter may appear hostile or insolent.<br />
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<div>'''Attention Deficit and Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD)''' is a controversial diagnosed disease of adolescents that is characterized by lack of ability to focus on the task at hand, and often with a lack of ability to sit still. One cause is a lack of ''discipline.'' However, diet, lack of exercise, environmental factors, and genetic factors can be causal factors for attention problems and/or hyperactivity.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.amazon.com/Healing-Hyperactive-Brain-Functional-Medicine/dp/0968510809/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1273311192&amp;sr=1-1 Healing the hyperactive brain by Michael Lyons, M.D.]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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== Diagnosis ==<br />
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There are three common methods of diagnosing ADHD: parental observations and consultation with a healthcare provider, surveys and computer performance tests. In addition, Quantitative EEG analysis can be helpful in diagnosing ADHD.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.mindalive.com/1_0/article%203.pdf ADHD diagnosis and Quantitative EEG Analysis and audio-visual entrainment]&lt;/ref&gt; <br />
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=== Surveys to diagnose ADHD ===<br />
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Surveys do not rely on an individual's willingness to take a computer performance test, but survey questions have an element of subjectivity.<br />
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=== Test of variables of Attention - T.O.V.A. computer performance test ===<br />
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The T.O.V.A. &quot;is an objective, neurophysiological measure of attention, not a subjective rating of behavior. It is a 21.6 minute long, very simple &quot;computer game&quot; that measures your responses to either visual or auditory stimuli. These measurements are then compared to the measurements of a group of people without attention disorders who took the T.O.V.A.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.tovatest.com/ TOVA test website]&lt;/ref&gt; The TOVA test measures errors of omission commonly associated with inattention and errors of commission (misidentifying a closely resembling decoy stimuli) commonly associated with hyperactivity/impulsiveness.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.tovatest.com/about-the-t-o-v-a/ About the TOVA test]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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There are a number of websites on the internet which offer free TOVA tests.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.ehow.com/how_4449246_take-tova-adhd-test-free.html Free TOVA tests]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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== Treatment ==<br />
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There are a number of non-drug cures to ADHD used by a number of health professionals and schools which have been shown to be effective and can be used in conjunction with each other. For example, the treatments of: audio-visual entrainment, nutrition, exercise, cognitive development software, neurofeedback, psychosocial training and remediation of environmental contaminants and/or removing the patient from unhealthful environmental conditions.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.mindalive.com/3_1.htm Audio-visual entrainment study and ADHD]&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.mindalive.com/1_0/article%203.pdf ADHD and audio-visual entrainment]&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0805061282/adhdnewscom02-20 ADHD and nutrition]&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;Butnik, Steven M. &quot;Neurofeedback in adolescents and adults with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder.&quot; Journal of Clinical Psychology, May 2005. Vol. 61 Issue 5, p621-625&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.sharperprograms.com/ ADHD and cognitive development software]&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;[http://hes.dasa.ncsu.edu/news/exercise-and-adhd Exercise, cognitive training, psychosocial training and ADHD]&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.amazon.com/Healing-Hyperactive-Brain-Functional-Medicine/dp/0968510809/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1273311192&amp;sr=1-1 Healing the hyperactive brain by Michael Lyons, M.D.]&lt;/ref&gt; In addition, Dr. Margolis, a pediatrician for 36 years who conducted an informal trial of Nikken magnetic products with a number of his patients with attention and behavior issues, reported positive results through the use of these specially engineered magnets.&lt;ref&gt;The ADD Answer: How to Help Your Child Now By Dr. Frank Lawlis&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;[http://healthsolutionsintl.com/test-for-addadhd-dr-bernie-margolis-study-on-using-magnetic-products/ TEST FOR ADD ISSUES AND THE USE OF MAGNETIC PRODUCTS]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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=== Overuse of drug treatments ===<br />
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Sadly, the &quot;treatment&quot; that child psychiatrists, and school districts, often prescribe (or demand) involves giving the patient a large number of expensive &amp;ndash; and possibly dangerous &amp;ndash; drugs.<br />
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Symptoms:<br />
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*[http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/attention-deficit-hyperactivity-disorder/what-are-the-symptoms-of-adhd-in-children.shtml Symptoms of ADHD in children] - National Institute of Health<br />
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*[http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23623825 Beneficial outcome from EEG-neurofeedback on creative music performance, attention and well-being in school children] - PubMed journal article<br />
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ADHD Diets:<br />
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* [http://www.webmd.com/add-adhd/guide/adhd-diets ADHD Diets]<br />
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==References==<br />
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<div>[[Atheism|Atheists]] do not have a unified political standing, but embrace a diverse range of political opinions. However, historically and in recent times the majority of atheist have leaned towards the left/liberal side of the political spectrum in both their economic and social views. &lt;ref&gt;[http://atheism.about.com/od/Atheist-Agnostic-Belief-Survey/a/Atheists-Agnostics-America-Politically-Liberal.htm Atheists &amp; Agnostics in America Tend to be Politically Liberal]&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref name=&quot;Marxism-Leninsim&quot;&gt;{{cite web|url = http://www.investigatingatheism.info/marxism.html|title =Marxism|publisher = [[University of Cambridge]]|quote=The most notable spread of atheism was achieved through the success of the 1917 Russian Revolution, which brought the Marxist-Leninists to power. For the first time in history, atheism thus became the official ideology of a state.|year=2008|accessdate = 2011–03–15}}&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref name=&quot;Guillotine&quot;&gt;{{cite web|url = http://books.google.com/books?id=bf3m7IVAa9gC&amp;pg=PA461&amp;dq=France+atheism+guillotine++Christians+executed&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;ei=l4lUUaTRBufG0QGe0IHACA&amp;redir_esc=y#v=onepage&amp;q=France%20atheism%20guillotine%20%20Christians%20executed&amp;f=false|title =Christianity|author=James Adair|publisher = JBE Online Books|year=2007|quote=Although the Civil Constitution called for religious liberty, which was extended to Jews as well as Christians, many revolutionaries pushed for the establishment of a new state religion, either the Cult of Reason (atheists) or the Cult of the Supreme Being (Deists). Changes toAlthough the Civil Constitution called for religious liberty, which was extended to Jews as well as Christians, many revolutionaries pushed for the establishment of a new state religion, either the Cult of Reason (atheists) or the Cult of the Supreme Being (Deists). Changes to the calendar eliminated references to Christian holidays, and even the ancient seven-day week, and a ist of officially recognized saints included such famous thinkers such as Socrates, Jesus, Marcus Aurelius, and Jean-Jacques Rosseau. A period of political persecution, often with religious overtones, broke out, known as the Reign of Teror. Thousands of people were executed by the guillotine, including many of the original leaders of the French Revolution.|page=461|accessdate = 2011–03–15}}&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref name=&quot;France&quot;&gt;{{cite web|url = http://books.google.com/books?id=9WkBAAAAYAAJ&amp;pg=PA105&amp;dq=Reign+of+Terror+atheism&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;ei=HoRUUcD0NeXX0gGNo4HIDQ&amp;redir_esc=y#v=onepage&amp;q=Reign%20of%20Terror%20atheism&amp;f=false|title =Memoirs of the reign of George III. to the session of parliament ending A.D. 1793, Volume 5|page=105|author=William Belsham|publisher = G.G. &amp; J. Robinson|year=1801|quote=Reign of this portentous period, it has been eloquently tenor, and energetically observed, &quot; that the reign of atheism in France was avowed the reign of terror. In the full madness of their career, in the highest climax of their horrors, they shut up the temples of God, abolished His worship, and proclaimed death to be an eternal sleep:-in the very centre of Christendom, Revelation underwent a total eclipse, while atheism, performing on a darkened theatre its strange and fearful tragedy, confounded the first elements of society, blended every age, rank, and sex ,indiscriminate proscription and massacre, and convulsed all Europe to its centre, that the imperishable memorial of these events might teach the last generations of mankind to consider religion as the pillar of society, the parent of social order, and the safe-guard of nations.&quot; It is wonderful that, amid the horrors of this dismal period, while &quot;the death dance of democratic revolution&quot; was still in rapid movement, among the tears of affliction, and the cries of despair, &quot;the masque, the song, the theatric scene, the buffoon laughter, went on as regularly as in the gay hour of festive peace.&quot;|accessdate = 2011–03–15}}&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref name=&quot;Reign of Terror&quot;&gt;{{cite web|url = http://books.google.com/books?id=Tt5rqiCP1p8C&amp;pg=PA57&amp;dq=Reign+of+Terror+atheism&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;ei=HoRUUcD0NeXX0gGNo4HIDQ&amp;redir_esc=y#v=onepage&amp;q=Reign%20of%20Terror%20atheism&amp;f=false|title =Christianity, Islam, and Atheism: The Struggle for the Soul of the West|author=William Kilpatrick|publisher = [[Ignatius Press]]|year=2012|quote=Actually, it's helpful to think in terms of two Enlightenments: the Enlightenment that cut itself off from God. The former led to the American Revolution, the Declaration of Independence, the abolition of slavery, and the civil rights movement. The latter led to the French Revolution, the Reign of Terror, the suppression of church by state, and the godless philosophies of Marx and Nietzsche and their offspring-National Socialism and communism. More recently the abandonment of God has led to the regime of cultural relativism that regards rights as arbitrary constructions. It's this second Enlightenment tradition that Cardinal Ratzinger referred to when he wrote, &quot;The radical detachment of the Enlightenment philosophy from its roots ultimately leads it to dispense with man.&quot; Actually this transition happened no &quot;ultimately&quot; but almost immediately. The first instance occurred when Enlightenment worship of abstract &quot;reason&quot; and &quot;liberty&quot; degenearated quickly into the mass murders committed during the antireligious Reign of Terror in France. &quot;Liberty, what crimes are committed in your name&quot;, said Madam Rolande as she faced the statue of Liberty in the Place de la Revolution movements before her death at the guillotine. She was one of the early victims of a succession of secular systems based on rootless notions of &quot;liberty&quot;, &quot;equality&quot;, and &quot;reason&quot;. As many historians have pointed out, the atheist regimes of modern times are guilty of far more crimes than any committed in the name of religion. Communist governments alone were guilty of more than one hundred million murders, most of them committed against their own people.|accessdate = 2011–03–15}}&lt;/ref&gt; For example, a Harris interactive poll found that most [[United States|American]] atheists are liberal.&lt;ref&gt;[http://atheism.about.com/od/Atheist-Agnostic-Belief-Survey/a/Atheists-Agnostics-America-Politically-Liberal.htm Atheists &amp; Agnostics in America Tend to be Politically Liberal]&lt;/ref&gt; Atheists hold all major political positions, including the [[secular left]] and the [[secular right]].<br />
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Not possessing a [[Religion|religious]] basis for [[morality]], [[atheist]]s are fundamentally [[Moral_relativism|incapable]] of having a coherent system of morality (see: [[Atheism and morality]]). The [[Barna Group]] found that atheists and [[agnostics]] in America were more likely, than [[theist]]s in America, to look upon the following behaviors as morally acceptable: [[Illegal drugs|illegal drug use]]; excessive drinking; [[fornication|sexual relationships outside of marriage]]; [[abortion]]; cohabitating with someone of opposite sex outside of marriage; [[Profanity|obscene language]]; [[gambling]]; [[pornography]] and obscene sexual behavior; and engaging in [[homosexuality]]/[[bisexuality]].&lt;ref&gt;http://www.barna.org/barna-update/article/5-barna-update/58-practical-outcomes-replace-biblical-principles-as-the-moral-standard&lt;/ref&gt; Atheists are less likely to hold to [[social conservatism]]. <br />
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As atheists' morality can be diverse, so to are their political opinions, and this varies from country to country: the secular left are the most notable in the USA. But there have been atheists on the political right. For example, in the United Kingdom there are links with a tradition of the secular right, e.g. [[David Hume]], who was an atheist or agnostic (it is unclear),&lt;ref&gt;[http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/hume-religion/#10 David Hume - Stanford Encyclopedia of Philisophy]&lt;/ref&gt; whose book ''History'' would &quot;spread toryism across the land&quot; according to [[Thomas Jefferson]].&lt;ref&gt;http://oll.libertyfund.org/?option=com_staticxt&amp;staticfile=show.php%3Ftitle=673&amp;chapter=159422&amp;layout=html&amp;Itemid=27&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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== Atheism and socialism and communism == <br />
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According to the [[University of Cambridge]], historically, the &quot;most notable spread of atheism was achieved through the success of the 1917 Russian Revolution, which brought the [[Marxism-Leninism|Marxist-Leninists]] to power.&quot;&lt;ref name=&quot;Marxism-Leninsim&quot;&gt;{{cite web|url = http://www.investigatingatheism.info/marxism.html|title =Marxism|publisher = [[University of Cambridge]]|quote=The most notable spread of atheism was achieved through the success of the 1917 Russian Revolution, which brought the Marxist-Leninists to power. For the first time in history, atheism thus became the official ideology of a state.|year=2008|accessdate = 2011–03–15}}&lt;/ref&gt; Vitalij Lazarʹevič Ginzburg, a Soviet physicist, wrote that the &quot;[[Bolshevik]] communists were not merely atheists but, according to [[Lenin]]'s terminology, [[militant atheist]]s.&quot;&lt;ref name=&quot;Lenin &amp; militant atheism&quot;&gt;{{cite web|url = http://books.google.com/books?id=ufC9Ar8iuDcC&amp;pg=PA161&amp;dq=The+Bolshevik+communists+were+not+merely+atheists+but,+according+to+Lenin%27s+terminology,+militant+atheists.&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;ei=1oFUUdj6PIiK0QGvq4CAAw&amp;redir_esc=y#v=onepage&amp;q=The%20Bolshevik%20communists%20were%20not%20merely%20atheists%20but%2C%20according%20to%20Lenin's%20terminology%2C%20militant%20atheists.&amp;f=false|title =On Superconductivity and Superfluidity: A Scientific Autobiography |author=Vitalij Lazarʹevič Ginzburg|publisher = [[Springer Science+Business Media]]|year=2009|quote=The Bolshevik communists were not merely atheists but, according to Lenin's terminology, militant atheists.|accessdate = 2011–03–15}}&lt;/ref&gt; <br />
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[[Vladimir Lenin]] similarly wrote: &quot;A Marxist must be a materialist, i. e., an enemy of religion, but a dialectical materialist, i. e., one who treats the struggle against religion not in an abstract way, not on the basis of remote, purely theoretical, never varying preaching, but in a concrete way, on the basis of the class struggle which is going on ''in practice'' and is educating the masses more and better than anything else could.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;Lenin, Vladimir Ilyich, ''Proletary'', No. 45, May 13 (26), 1909, translated by Andrew Rothstein and Bernard Issacs, quote from [http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1909/may/13.htm].&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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In 1955, [[China|Chinese]] communist leader Chou En-lai declared, &quot;We Communists are atheists&quot;.&lt;ref&gt;Noebel, David, The Battle for Truth, Harvest House, 2001.&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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The [[atheism]] in communist regimes has been and continues to be [[militant atheism]] and various acts of repression including the razing of thousands of religious buildings and the killing, imprisoning, and oppression of religious leaders and believers.&lt;ref&gt;http://www.academia.org/campus_reports/2000/March_2000_4.html&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/ecumenism/frroman1.aspx&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;http://www.nysun.com/article/23082?page_no=1&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/5/7/120250.shtml&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1058/is_26_116/ai_56249447&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35818&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;http://theworldnow.wordpress.com/tag/around-the-world/asia/china/&lt;/ref&gt; For more information please see: [[Militant atheism]]<br />
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In the belief that &quot;people cannot change&quot;, governments under the banner of atheistic [[Communism]] have caused the death of somewhere between 40 million to 260 million human lives.&lt;ref&gt;[http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/finalconflict/fcrevb102.html The Black Book of Communism]&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~hpcws/lelivrenoir.htm The Black Book of Communism]&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;[http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm Source List and Detailed Death Tolls for the Twentieth Century Hemoclysm]&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.sarasotamagazine.com/blog/template_permalink.asp?id=365 Memory and Ideology]&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.firstthings.com/article.php3?id_article=2526 The Black Book of Communism: Crimes, Terror, Repression]&lt;/ref&gt; Dr. R. J. Rummel, professor emeritus of political science at the University of Hawaii, is the scholar who first coined the term [[democide]] (death by government). Dr. R. J. Rummel's mid estimate regarding the loss of life due to communism is that it caused the death of approximately 148,286,000 people between 1917 and 1987.&lt;ref&gt;http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM&lt;/ref&gt; For more information please see: [[Atheism and mass murder]]<br />
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Prior to this, the [[Reign of Terror]] of the [[French Revolution]] established an [[atheist state]], with the official ideology being the [[Cult of Reason]]; during this time thousands of believers were suppressed and executed by the [[guillotine]].&lt;ref name=&quot;Guillotine&quot;&gt;{{cite web|url = http://books.google.com/books?id=bf3m7IVAa9gC&amp;pg=PA461&amp;dq=France+atheism+guillotine++Christians+executed&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;ei=l4lUUaTRBufG0QGe0IHACA&amp;redir_esc=y#v=onepage&amp;q=France%20atheism%20guillotine%20%20Christians%20executed&amp;f=false|title =Christianity|author=James Adair|publisher = JBE Online Books|year=2007|quote=Although the Civil Constitution called for religious liberty, which was extended to Jews as well as Christians, many revolutionaries pushed for the establishment of a new state religion, either the Cult of Reason (atheists) or the Cult of the Supreme Being (Deists). Changes toAlthough the Civil Constitution called for religious liberty, which was extended to Jews as well as Christians, many revolutionaries pushed for the establishment of a new state religion, either the Cult of Reason (atheists) or the Cult of the Supreme Being (Deists). Changes to the calendar eliminated references to Christian holidays, and even the ancient seven-day week, and a ist of officially recognized saints included such famous thinkers such as Socrates, Jesus, Marcus Aurelius, and Jean-Jacques Rosseau. A period of political persecution, often with religious overtones, broke out, known as the Reign of Teror. Thousands of people were executed by the guillotine, including many of the original leaders of the French Revolution.|page=461|accessdate = 2011–03–15}}&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref name=&quot;France&quot;&gt;{{cite web|url = http://books.google.com/books?id=9WkBAAAAYAAJ&amp;pg=PA105&amp;dq=Reign+of+Terror+atheism&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;ei=HoRUUcD0NeXX0gGNo4HIDQ&amp;redir_esc=y#v=onepage&amp;q=Reign%20of%20Terror%20atheism&amp;f=false|title =Memoirs of the reign of George III. to the session of parliament ending A.D. 1793, Volume 5|page=105|author=William Belsham|publisher = G.G. &amp; J. Robinson|year=1801|quote=Reign of this portentous period, it has been eloquently tenor, and energetically observed, &quot; that the reign of atheism in France was avowed the reign of terror. In the full madness of their career, in the highest climax of their horrors, they shut up the temples of God, abolished His worship, and proclaimed death to be an eternal sleep:-in the very centre of Christendom, Revelation underwent a total eclipse, while atheism, performing on a darkened theatre its strange and fearful tragedy, confounded the first elements of society, blended every age, rank, and sex ,indiscriminate proscription and massacre, and convulsed all Europe to its centre, that the imperishable memorial of these events might teach the last generations of mankind to consider religion as the pillar of society, the parent of social order, and the safe-guard of nations.&quot; It is wonderful that, amid the horrors of this dismal period, while &quot;the death dance of democratic revolution&quot; was still in rapid movement, among the tears of affliction, and the cries of despair, &quot;the masque, the song, the theatric scene, the buffoon laughter, went on as regularly as in the gay hour of festive peace.&quot;|accessdate = 2011–03–15}}&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref name=&quot;Reign of Terror&quot;&gt;{{cite web|url = http://books.google.com/books?id=Tt5rqiCP1p8C&amp;pg=PA57&amp;dq=Reign+of+Terror+atheism&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;ei=HoRUUcD0NeXX0gGNo4HIDQ&amp;redir_esc=y#v=onepage&amp;q=Reign%20of%20Terror%20atheism&amp;f=false|title =Christianity, Islam, and Atheism: The Struggle for the Soul of the West|author=William Kilpatrick|publisher = [[Ignatius Press]]|year=2012|quote=Actually, it's helpful to think in terms of two Enlightenments: the Enlightenment that cut itself off from God. The former led to the American Revolution, the Declaration of Independence, the abolition of slavery, and the civil rights movement. The latter led to the French Revolution, the Reign of Terror, the suppression of church by state, and the godless philosophies of Marx and Nietzsche and their offspring-National Socialism and communism. More recently the abandonment of God has led to the regime of cultural relativism that regards rights as arbitrary constructions. It's this second Enlightenment tradition that Cardinal Ratzinger referred to when he wrote, &quot;The radical detachment of the Enlightenment philosophy from its roots ultimately leads it to dispense with man.&quot; Actually this transition happened no &quot;ultimately&quot; but almost immediately. The first instance occurred when Enlightenment worship of abstract &quot;reason&quot; and &quot;liberty&quot; degenearated quickly into the mass murders committed during the antireligious Reign of Terror in France. &quot;Liberty, what crimes are committed in your name&quot;, said Madam Rolande as she faced the statue of Liberty in the Place de la Revolution movements before her death at the guillotine. She was one of the early victims of a succession of secular systems based on rootless notions of &quot;liberty&quot;, &quot;equality&quot;, and &quot;reason&quot;. As many historians have pointed out, the atheist regimes of modern times are guilty of far more crimes than any committed in the name of religion. Communist governments alone were guilty of more than one hundred million murders, most of them committed against their own people.|accessdate = 2011–03–15}}&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
There is far more notable examples of Atheists on the left than in any other political spectrum. This is mainly due to the Marx idea that &quot;Religion is the opium of the masses&quot; which appeals to Atheists. Additionally, within totalitarian communist regimes, the church was a threat to the power of the dictator and so being a Militant Atheist was necessary in order to expand the power of the state. Though, quite ironically, the communist left sometimes push for more integration of church and state. An example of this was Stalin's revitalization of the Russian Orthodox Church in 1941, which was joked to be more of a nationalization than a revitalization.&lt;ref&gt;http://www.ipc.od.ua/14spravka.html &lt;/ref&gt;. In British Politics, the Socialist party Labour have had multiple Atheist members including Clement Attlee who became prime-minister&lt;ref&gt;&quot;[...] then in 1896 at the age of thirteen went on, like all the boys in the family, to Haileybury College. Here he confirmed an unobtrusive atheism—he became disenchanted with church attendance and religious observance—and played rugby and cricket with the handicap of his small stature and lack of any real skill, but enjoyed the rifle corps.&quot; R. C. Whiting, 'Attlee, Clement Richard, first Earl Attlee (1883–1967)', Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, Oxford University Press, Sept 2004; online edition, January 2008 (accessed May 2, 2008). &lt;/ref&gt; and Ken Livingston, mayor of London&lt;ref&gt;&quot;I assume you're an atheist? I am too. Isn't life easier?&quot; &quot;Ken Livingstone: The Interview&quot;. attitude.&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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== Atheism and liberalism ==<br />
The Secular left, while called left, actively promotes liberalism. It demands &quot;strict government secularism&quot; and &quot;anger toward religious and political conservatives,&quot;&lt;ref&gt;http://www.secularleft.us/about&lt;/ref&gt; within the USA. The secular left has historically opposed religious conservatives and social conservatism. Part of this is ideologically centered. Liberalism had its foundlings in challenging traditions and religious thinking has became tradition for certain countries. As such, being an Atheist defies tradition in these countries and so Atheism would seem liberal. It has been claimed that American Atheism has only became liberal in a reaction towards the attacks of the Religious Right&lt;ref&gt;http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unreasonablefaith/2012/06/liberal-atheists/&lt;/ref&gt; in a case of &quot;the enemy of my enemy is my friend&quot; and even a claim that the secular left is not strong but is rather an over-reaction of the religious right in calling all center-left politicians &quot;the secular left&quot;&lt;ref&gt;http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0523-25.htm&lt;/ref&gt;. Within the United Kingdom, there are notable atheist liberals such as current Deputy Prime-Minister Nick Clegg.<br />
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== Darwinism and antipathy towards social conservatism ==<br />
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[[Image:Evolution.jpg|alt=evolution darwin theory|right|thumb|225px| [[Charles Darwin]] ]] <br />
''See also:'' [[Evolution and liberalism]]). <br />
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Most liberals/leftists tend to be evolutionists (see: [[Evolution and liberalism]]). <br />
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In July of 2000, [[Creation Ministries International]] reported:<br />
{{cquote|For years, many people have scoffed at any suggestion that the evils in society could be linked with the teaching of the theory of evolution. But new research has confirmed what Bible-believers have known all along—that the rising acceptance of Darwin’s theory is related to declining morality in the community.<br />
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The research survey of 1535 people, conducted by the Australian National University, revealed that belief in evolution is associated with moral permissiveness. Darwin himself apparently feared that belief in evolution by the common man would lead to social decay. The survey showed that people who believed in evolution were more likely to be in favour of premarital sex than those who rejected Darwin’s theory. Another issue which highlighted the contrast between the effect of evolutionary ideas and that of biblical principles was that Darwinians were reported to be ‘especially tolerant’ of [[abortion]].<br />
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In identifying the primary factors determining these differences in community attitudes, the author of the research report, Dr Jonathan Kelley, said: ‘The single most important influence after church attendance is the theory of evolution.’&lt;ref&gt;[http://creation.com/morals-decline-linked-to-belief-in-evolution Morals decline linked to evolution]&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br />
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==Atheism On The Right (Conservatism and Libertarianism)==<br />
Made most apparent by the secular right, there are a number of Atheists who follow Conservatism in both the fiscal and social sense. Jillian Becker, a British Conservative Atheist who founded the blog &quot;The Atheist Conservative&quot;, once claimed &quot;one does not need Jesus to lead one toward a conservative viewpoint. In fact, US republicanism did not start combineing reglion with conservatism until the 1970s.&lt;ref&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/19/us/19beliefs.html?_r=0&lt;/ref&gt;. The Secular right claims that conservatism ends with &quot;Human Flourishing&quot;&lt;ref&gt;http://secularright.org/SR/wordpress/about/&lt;/ref&gt; and so an Atheist who follows reason and logic would accept this as the best political pathway. Another reason is that Atheists will reject [[Liberal claptrap]] due to the lack of evidence that Liberals can provide against the historical evidence that Conservatism provides. As aforementioned, the level of Atheists who are conservative varies greatly by country. In the USA, few Atheists are conservatives, while there are a few notable conservatives such as Razib Khan and Heather Mac Donald who are considered leading figures of the secular right. This low level can be attributed to Attacks from the religious right such as George Bush who once said &quot;No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots&quot; which would not ease Secular Right and Religious Right tensions. There is a far stronger position of Atheist conservatives in The United Kingdom, with famous adherents such as David Hume, Reginald Johnston&lt;ref&gt;http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199899/cmhansrd/vo990623/debtext/90623-40.htm&lt;/ref&gt; and Tory MP Michael Portillo. In South Korera, the Head of the conservative party was an atheist while he was running against a Roman-Catholic liberal.&lt;ref&gt;http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/12/conservative-atheists-not-rare-in-south-korea/#.UdyBOW3pRxI<br />
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<div>[[Michael Bloomberg]] said, &quot;... a disproportionate percentage of the crime is committed by a group of young kids that just don’t have any future.&quot; [http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/352507/bloomberg-numbers-dont-lie-stop-question-and-frisk-will-allen]<br />
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A [[RAND]] study said,<br />
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*[[Racial profiling]]<br />
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<div>[[Thomas Sowell]] wrote, {{sowell-educational-excellence}}<br />
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<div>&quot;Often, the identification of racial disparities leads to the formation of opposing sides without seeking to identify the specific policies and enforcement practices that are the root cause of the disparities.&quot; [http://www.rand.org/commentary/2007/12/06/NYDN.html Police Need to Do a Better Job of Explaining Stop-and-Frisk] - [[K. Jack Riley]], [[Greg Ridgeway]]<br />
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<div>'''John Mighton''' is a Canadian playwright and mathematician.<br />
He had a small part in &quot;[[Good Will Hunting]]&quot;. [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0585906/]<br />
He volunteers 40 to 50 a week for [[Junior Undiscovered Math Prodigies]] (JUMP), a math-tutoring group he founded in Toronto.<br />
He wrote two books about how to teach math.<br />
*''The Myth of Ability: Nurturing Mathematical Talent in Every Child'' (Sep 1, 2004)<br />
*''The End of Ignorance: Multiplying Our Human Potential'' (Aug 12, 2008)<br />
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<div>'''John Mighton''' is a Canadian playwright and mathematician.<br />
He had a small part in &quot;[[Good Will Hunting]]&quot;. [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0585906/]<br />
He volunteers 40 to 50 a week for [[Junior Undiscovered Math Prodigies]] (JUMP), a math-tutoring group he founded in Toronto.<br />
He wrote two books about how to teach math.<br />
*''The Myth of Ability: Nurturing Mathematical Talent in Every Child'' (Sep 1, 2004)<br />
*''The End of Ignorance: Multiplying Our Human Potential'' (Aug 12, 2008)<br />
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<div>A '''fact family''' is a group of arithmetic facts which use the same numbers. For example, 7 - 3 = 4 and 7 - 4 = 3 and 3 + 4 = 7 and 4 + 3 = 7. Students in primary school are told to memorize these related facts together.<br />
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== Writing Plan ==<br />
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Hello Mr. Poor,<br />
I would like to submit a writing plan. While I haven't been asked for one, I feel this would best help keep me on task and contribute the most productively. You seem to know an awful lot about this wiki stuff, and I'm still new at it, so if you could help me that would be great.<br />
I think I'd first like to help contribute to the various book articles around the site by adding in examples of the influence of Christianity, as a lot of books have Christian overtones that aren't currently listed. I'm thinking I'd like to start by drawing parallels between the story of Jesus in the Gospels with One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Please let me know if this would be acceptable.--[[User:JeremiahJ|JeremiahJ]] 18:10, 6 January 2011 (EST)<br />
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:Probably not. Please email me a draft. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:02, 17 January 2011 (EST)<br />
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== Request ==<br />
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Hello Mr. Poor, I have submitted a request [[Talk:Atheism#Addition_of_Information_on_Charity_and_External_Links_Request|here]] but it was never attended to. Could you please have a look at it? Thanks, [[User:Anupam|Anupam]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Anupam|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:19, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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== Image Upload Request ==<br />
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Hello Ed Poor, I hope this message finds you doing well. I was wondering if you could upload [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Young_Galaxy_Accreting_Material.jpg this image] for use in the article I recently created. I look forward to hearing your response. Thanks, [[User:Anupam|Anupam]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Anupam|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:32, 7 March 2011 (EST)<br />
:Hello Ed Poor, could you please add [[Atheism and the suppression of science]] to [[Template:Nb Atheism|this template]]? I really appreciate it! With regards, [[User:Anupam|Anupam]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Anupam|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:14, 7 March 2011 (EST)<br />
::Hello Ed Poor, I need two more images for the article I created which are available [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Independent_assortment_%26_segregation.svg here] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:John_Lennox.jpg here]. Recently, [[User:JMR10]] uploaded my previous one, for which I am thankful. Could you ask him to do the same for these two or could you please do these for me? I highly appreciate it. Thanks, [[User:Anupam|Anupam]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Anupam|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:40, 7 March 2011 (EST)<br />
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== I seem to have messed up the Ada article ==<br />
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My proxy keeps dropping stuff, so the picture at the top is busted. Also, I had to cut down the reference, because the captcha can't make it through. It should have a left bracket, and h,t,t,p, etc., and a right bracket after the &quot;pdf&quot;. I wonder if you could please fix it for me. I will contact Andy about getting my IP range restored.<br />
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What I was going to put in the talk page (and will do once things get straightened out) is that the two cited articles are very shallow, having only 7 and 3 sentences, respectively. They both refer to a &quot;plan&quot;, but that's because the word &quot;program&quot; hadn't been coined in the computer context. She really was the first person to write &quot;code&quot;.<br />
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I'm sorry about this. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 00:08, 5 April 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:I read her notes, and it doesn't look like a [[computer program]] to me. A charitable view might be that it's a [[specification|spec]], but there's no flowchart and no [[source code]]. Don't be sorry, just get it right. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:21, 5 April 2011 (EDT)<br />
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What did you expect this &quot;source code&quot; to look like? The term &quot;source code&quot; implies both a programming language and &quot;machine code&quot; that the source code is assembled or compiled into. Assemblers, compilers, and programming languages wouldn't be invented for another hundred years (by Grace Murray Hopper, John Backus, and others.) The same goes for the other accoutrements of modern software development, like flow charts and specifications. In fact, even the terms &quot;software&quot; and &quot;program&quot; hadn't been invented.<br />
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Furthermore, assuming that you accept that she had to write &quot;machine code&quot;, what would you expect machine code to look like for a machine that reads its instructions with rods poking through holes in large punched cards running around on a track, and does its arithmetic by counting teeth on turning gears? It wouldn't look much like Intel 586 code.<br />
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The fact is, the lines of Ada's written algorithm were intended to be punched into lines of holes in Babbage's cards, once the &quot;analytical engine&quot; was built, which it wasn't.<br />
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By the way, what I was being &quot;sorry&quot; for was not the content of my edit, but the fact that an extremely buggy proxy messed up the article and wouldn't let me fix it, despite several tries. Andy has been working with me to fix the network problems, and DMorris fixed the broken picture and hyperlink while my access was broken. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 20:39, 6 April 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:Then it would be more accurate to say that she described an algorithm. That's not the same as a computer program, even if she was hoping that Babbage's machine might be programmed to carry out the algorithm.<br />
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:An encyclopedia should be precise and unbiased, not used to create &quot;factoids&quot; for use in publicity campaigns, such as promoting [[women in science]]. <br />
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:I don't say she had to write machine code, but rather to be the &quot;first programmer&quot; she would have had to produce a [[computer program]]. If you have seen it, please show it to me. Otherwise, I'm going to make an editorial decision that she produced an algorithm rather than a program. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:18, 7 April 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:*Let's say that [[Ada Lovelace]] wrote one of the first comprehensive descriptions of an algorithm to generate [[Bernoulli numbers]]. But until I see the actual sequence of instructions, including [[if-then]] or [[loop control]] statements, I'd hesitate to call it an actual [[computer program]]. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:17, 17 May 2011 (EDT)<br />
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==The anti-Semitism of liberals==<br />
I love how libs reveal their true selves. No matter what we say or do in describing them, they come here just to confirm it all. So when they want to emphasize &quot;Jew&quot; in &quot;karajou&quot;, I'll be more then happy to get a gold Magen David to wear around my neck, join my brothers and sisters in the synagogue every week, and show everyone else just how hate-filled and intolerant these liberals really are. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 14:20, 12 April 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Please help! ==<br />
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Hi! I tried to add the information for Edo to the Tokyo article and for some reason,. it stripped a bunch of stuff out when I saved. Now when I try and revert the edit I made, I keep getting a internal server 500 error. Please can you revert for me? [[User:TracyS|TracyS]] 10:19, 14 April 2011 (EDT)<br />
:It's ok, I fixed it! [[User:TracyS|TracyS]] 10:30, 14 April 2011 (EDT)<br />
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::I'm glad it worked out for you. My Japanese name is &quot;Edo&quot;. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:04, 14 April 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Nice speed on reverts ==<br />
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You beat me to every one! Nicely done--&lt;small&gt;[[User:Iduan|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000&quot;&gt;I]][[User_talk:Iduan|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033&quot;&gt;Duan]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/small&gt; 20:05, 24 April 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks. I'll pass that on to my secret bot. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:10, 24 April 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Thanks for noticing me ==<br />
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I must be doing something right. Every time I mention alternate viewpoints, and no one sees fit to revert my edits, I get vandalism to my talk page. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:48, 10 June 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Jeb Bush ==<br />
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I'm trying to reorganize the information, not leave it out. If you notice, I'm working on the article quite a bit. May I please revert your revision? [[User:SharonW|SharonW]] 15:05, 14 June 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:Sure. I'm frequently too bold and hasty. And that's the wonderful thing about a wiki. Nothing is ever really deleted; it's all in the article history. Go for it! --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:09, 14 June 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Technical question ==<br />
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I'm lobbying for a separate namespace for the Conservapedia Bible Project. The idea is that each verse gets its own ''article'', which can be used rather as a template. I see a couple of advantages:<br />
*verses can be quoted more easily: instead of copying the whole verse, only a short link (like &lt;nowiki&gt;{{:CBP:John 20:8}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; ) is neccessary to get a neat result: &lt;nowiki&gt;{{:CBP:John 20:8}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;<br />
*thereby, the use of the CBP is encouraged over other translations.<br />
*if there is a change in the CBP, the afflicted verses don't have to be tracked down manually, but the change is applied automatically throughout the wiki.<br />
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To accomplish this, a new namespace has to be created. That shouldn't be too difficult, as there are only a few exemplary pages prefixed with ''CBP:'' at this moment.<br />
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But after this, the namespace has to be filled with the existing translated verses. My question: is your bot up to this task?<br />
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== madonna ==<br />
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Hi, please strongly reconsider your desire to create a &quot;kinder article.&quot; In stating that madonna is a person who has changed to being more spiritual you are buying to the liberal media's lies. It sounds like a madonna fan attempting to weave their bias in, which of course you are not. I think you may want to do more research, and read my recent additions as she is still, if not more so, a wicked and hateful person who has sucked millions of children into raunchy culture, dated murderers and mocked our Lord Jesus Christ who gave his life for us. Madonna deserves only the truth.[[User:Legolas2186|Legolas2186]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Legolas2186|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:14, 14 July 2011 (EST)<br />
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:And I just had a long conversation with some Wikipedians in Central Park last month, about whether CP is more neutral than WP. Now you want &quot;conservative bias&quot; to denounce [[Madonna Ciccone]]? Not even Wikipedia's BLP policy would allow that. <br />
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:I wonder whether you are a liberal '''tempting me''' to add bias, just so you can accuse us of being biased. Well, if so, I choose not to cooperate, my dear elf. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:45, 14 July 2011 (EDT)<br />
::I think Legolas here might be a parodist. Would you mind looking into him? [[User:NickP|NickP]] 00:12, 15 July 2011 (EDT)<br />
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Ed, your compassion sounds a little misplaced to me. Do you also visit the Fred Phelps, Bernie Madoff, Ted Bundy, and Charles Manson pages asking people for some &quot;Christian charity&quot; to tone those down too? Look into me all you want please. I dislike Madonna because she has mocked our lord Jesus Christ. Conservative people have respect for Christ end of story. The reason society has degraded is by giving raunchy people like madonna a free pass and pity. I'm the one who wants to print the ACTUAL history of madonna that the liberal media has left out such her dating the felon Chris Paciello. I only want the truth about her in the article. Why is that so bad? I thought this was the one place that might allow the truth.[[User:Legolas2186|Legolas2186]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Legolas2186|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:34, 17 July 2011 (EST)<br />
:Ed, can you please look into this guy? He is an obvious parodist. [[User:NickP|NickP]] 15:55, 17 July 2011 (EDT)<br />
First of all - Ed is a senior sysop at this site - I don't know why a few of you have taken upon yourself to post on [[User talk:Aschlafly|Andy's talk page]] when Ed is more than capable of dealing with an alleged parodist on his own. Secondly, just because he is posting radical things on a talk page does not make him a parodist. Looking at his contributions, you ''could'' argue that he is edit warring, but since Ed is simultaneously the user in the revert war and an admin, it is up to his judgement as to whether or not a block is deserving. Your collective alarmism has now spread across three talk pages. That's enough.--&lt;small&gt;[[User:Iduan|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000&quot;&gt;I]][[User_talk:Iduan|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033&quot;&gt;Duan]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/small&gt; 16:00, 17 July 2011 (EDT)<br />
::@NickP, your very.... quick to call somebody else a parodist. Why not leave that to the pro.'s to decide?--[[User:SeanS|SeanS]] 16:06, 17 July 2011 (EDT)<br />
:::Several others have also pointed out the fact that he acts very suspicious. [[User:NickP|NickP]] 16:13, 17 July 2011 (EDT)<br />
::::Saying he &quot;acts suspicious&quot; and saying he's a 100% no way im wrong about this Parodist is two completely different things.--[[User:SeanS|SeanS]] 16:16, 17 July 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:::::I prefer what Wikipedia old-timers used to call &quot;soft security&quot;. Just help me fix the articles in question. Everything will sort itself out. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:34, 17 July 2011 (EDT)<br />
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Ed, I left three (actually six) problem Categories that need some sort of merging at [[User_talk:EdBot]]. Thanks. [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 15:56, 18 July 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:Sorry, EdBot did not survive the MediaWiki upgrades. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:21, 18 July 2011 (EDT)<br />
::Does that mean it's all got to be done manually? Moving 200 entries into another Category?<br />
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:::Only if they really have to be moved. (Meanwhile, if anyone has an idea how a bot can &quot;log in&quot; with the new MediaWiki software, let me know.) --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:33, 18 July 2011 (EDT)<br />
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::::[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Creating_a_bot#Logging_in This] should help. Indeed, the whole [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Creating_a_bot page] is quite interesting. [[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 09:40, 19 July 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== A request concerning recent events ==<br />
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Hi Ed,<br />
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I'm very sorry to come to you with this, but I honestly don't know where else to turn at this point. You have always struck me as the voice of reason and level-headedness here.<br />
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Simply put: the current altercation on Andy's talk page is out of control. I recognize that I have no authority to tell sysops what they should or shouldn't do, but it seems to me that basic common courtesy calls for not filling up Andy's talk page with arguments and accusations. Moreover, the very public nature of the dispute is encouraging other users to join in. Some of them are doubtless sincere; others, I suspect, may in fact be parodists seeking to fan the flames (I notice a LOT of recently created accounts.) <br />
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Regardless, the fact remains that Andy's talk page has been turned into a general forum for accusations and arguments. At this point, it's degenerated to the level where people are making absolutely vicious personal attacks against certain of the participants. (Kudos to JamesWilson for promptly reverting the most egregious of these.)<br />
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You know the other sysops better than most of us; you talk to them; I would certainly hope they trust and respect your opinion. Is there anything you can do to persuade them to take a step back, cool down, and wait for Andy to respond at this point? Everyone involved has made their positions clear; further acrimony can serve no useful purpose.<br />
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I'm sorry to trouble you with this, but I really feel that this is both inconsiderate to Andy and deleterious to the Conservapedia project as a whole.<br />
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Respectfully,<br />
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--[[User:Benp|Benp]] 13:05, 28 July 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for the vote of confidence, but shouldn't I check with Andy before barging in? It may be that he prefers to let everyone air their opinions. It is not just his courage but his wisdom and compassion that attracted me to this project. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:59, 5 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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==[[User:MRellek]]==<br />
Ed, per the site owner, Administrators [http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia:Guidelines&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=892763 &quot;instructions...are to be followed&quot;] is no longer operable. I have emailed you a copy of Mr. Schlafly's approval. [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 13:32, 6 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:Oh, sorry. I was hasty. Feel free to unban MRellek, if you feel I was out of line. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:32, 6 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
::Thank you, Ed. I'm trying to get the other sysops to do more warnings &amp; shorter blocks; let's get a sense of community here. After all, we've known many of these editors (the RW neighbors) for several years now. [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 15:37, 6 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Please let me know if you want to serve on a blocking policy refinement panel ==<br />
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Please let me know if you want to serve on a blocking policy refinement panel. I invited someone to edit Conservapedia and they were blocked and they should not have been. I got the block overturned. So I think there is room for improvement in Conservapedia's blocking policy. You can sign up [[User:Conservative/Sysops who want to serve on a blocking policy refinement panel|HERE]]. I invited active Syops/Admins plus people with blocking rights who might wish to be Sysops. If I left anyone out, please let them know about the panel. The people with blocking rights can sign up [[User talk:Conservative/Sysops who want to serve on a blocking policy refinement panel|HERE]]. The panel will probably convene when Iduan is back from his summer vacation or fairly soon afterwards. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:47, 13 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:I think I got signed up somehow, after jumping into a discussion. <br />
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:Can we have non-sysops on the panel? I'd like to invite a friend from Wikipedia to join it. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:00, 16 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== If I understand correctly, you are the local math expert. ==<br />
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If so, maybe you can take a look at [[Relativistic mass|this]] and some of that editor's other contributions. They seem pretty obscure/specialized for the general reader, to me, at least. Thanks! [[User:MrMorganH|MrMorganH]] 10:15, 14 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:Not an expert, but I know a lot about high school math. Andy's brother knows much more than I do. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:55, 16 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Revert ==<br />
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Good morning (afternoon?) Ed, why was my comment reverted? I can't see why it should be? [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 17:54, 16 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:Gosh, you're quick on the trigger. See your talk page for my response. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:58, 16 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
::I am indeed quick on the trigger, I like Westerns you see..:-) I have responded to you on my talk-page and re asked the question in a more cordial manner. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 17:59, 16 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== The Conservapedia Blocking policy refinement panel proceedings have begun ==<br />
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The panel proceeding have begun here: [[Conservapedia:Blocking policy refinement panel proceedings]] You can start making your edits to the page should you wish to do so. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 12:59, 17 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Farewell ==<br />
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Ed, in all sincerity you are by far the most interesting person I have met at Conservapedia. I regret that we couldn't get along better, though we did manage to improve a number of things. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 23:12, 18 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:We'd have gotten along better if we more goals in common. Building a trustworthy encyclopedia apparently was not one of them.<br />
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:In [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Aschlafly&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=893745 this drive by attack] you dodged my request for specific instances of the problem you complained of. (Note: saying &quot;all of them&quot; is a a typical liberal dodge. That's like global warming alarmists saying, &quot;Just look at the temperature record; the evidence is all there.&quot;<br />
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:For those listening in to this fascinating drama, the difference between real science and liberal junk science is that real scientists provide examples of what they're talking about, so that anyone can check it out and see for themselves. Liberals and other pseudoscientists '''pretend''' that they've already made the point.<br />
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:It reminds me of Japan, which always (1) says that it &quot;already apologized&quot; for the [[comfort women]] episode while steadfastly (2) refusing ever to admit that it did anything wrong. They are hoping we'll all be too polite to mention that #1 contradicts #2. <br />
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:Nice try on the parting shot, but your pretense of trying oh so hard fools no one. You're always welcome to come back if you '''ever''' choose to help this project instead of undermining it with trickery. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:41, 19 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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==Pontiac==<br />
Hi Ed, thanks for your help archiving my page. I know you are very experienced with Wikis, but I was wondering why you removed what I wrote about the government shut down of Pontiac destroying American history. A lot of people were really upset about Pontiac's closure and there are lots of websites and articles proving this, why can't it be in the article? I will differ to your judgement because you are so experienced, but just want to understand your reasoning. --[[User:CraigF|CraigF]] 22:46, 19 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:It can't be in the article until you find a way to make it trustworthy. Use references. You can't just write stuff off the top of your head, because you are not an established author. You are in fact an anonymous person, and we don't even know whether Craig is your real name. <br />
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:If there's a lot of proof for your assertion, be sure to provide references, like:<br />
:*The New York Times reported that after GM was taken over by the government, brands like Saturn and Pontiac were sold or eliminated (link and/or date)<br />
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:If you need help formatting references, lots of people here can help. But '''you''' must supply them. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:43, 20 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
==Pictures==<br />
Hi Ed, how do I add pictures? --[[User:CraigF|CraigF]] 16:08, 20 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:You can't add pictures, until you've made enough useful contributions to earn upload rights. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 21:34, 20 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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::In addition, Craig, you can use [[Conservapedia:Image upload requests]] until you earn uploading privileges. A Sysop will do it for you.--[[User:JamesWilson|JamesWilson]] 21:59, 20 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
:::Ok, I'll work even harder to earn my rights! I also wanted to apologize for being so familiar, my mom pointed out that I should be calling you Mr. Poor. I always call adults by their last names in real life, but on the internet I usually forget. Also thanks Mr. Wilson for your advice about upload requests. --[[User:CraigF|CraigF]] 13:24, 21 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
::::No worries. I wouldn't mind if you called me James or Jim, but I'm glad your mother has taught you well. Also, you will need a lot more work to earn uploading privileges, just so you know. Happy editing in the meantime!--[[User:JamesWilson|JamesWilson]] 14:21, 21 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Edit conflict ==<br />
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Just got edit conflicted by you on the Morse code page - what are the odds we'd both be working on it! [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 17:19, 24 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:One thought leads to another ... not such long odds. Sorry about stepping on your work. Feel free to revert, and I'll recover later. :-) --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:22, 24 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
::Its all OK, I added my work to your version. Great minds think alike, more like an average mind in my case but you catch my drift...:-) [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 17:24, 24 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== signature ==<br />
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I hope you don't mind, but I borrowed the format of your signature to use for my own. It's simple and to the point, but looks nice as well, so I thought I would use it as well. Thank you! [[User:KevinDavis|KevinDavis]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:KevinDavis|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:02, 27 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:I copied mine from someone else, so &quot;[[Pay It Forward]].&quot; --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 21:27, 27 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
::Oh, ok. Thanks for letting me know! [[User:KevinDavis|KevinDavis]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:KevinDavis|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:23, 28 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== like wikipedia? ==<br />
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i looked up [[milk]] and [[butter]] how is this conserivtive? is it like wikipedia at all what can i add? ty. --[[User:Rainbowboiz|Rainbowboiz]] 00:35, 28 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:Not unless your spelling improves. And we are not so much &quot;conservative&quot; as [[trustworthy]]. Unlike Wikipedia, we really do try to avoid political bias. Add anything that is correct and useful. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:17, 28 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Meat Loaf ==<br />
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I know his stage name is much better known (I'm writing the article on him, obviously), but wouldn't you think using the subject's real name is more appropriate for an encyclopedia? If you think the article should be titled under his stage name, you're the boss, but I thought I might want to point that out. Thanks!--[[User:JamesWilson|JamesWilson]] 11:14, 1 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Barack Obama's Muslim Heritage ==<br />
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Please help me as I am fairly new to this wiki. I have attempted to propose a discussion for deletion on this particular page. Before disccussing this, I have followed the instructions on templates via the help index [[http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Articles_for_deletion]] to add it to a discussion for deletion but this does not seem to work so I have not proceded further - with hindsight I should have guessed there was something wrong by the lack of entries on this page. <br />
My reason for wishing to commence this discussion is that I suspect the article (created by a user who does not appear to have an active talk page) seems to me to be parody and trolling to debase the credibility of this project. In my opinion, most of the logic followed in nearly every assertion is spurious and often uses blatant synthesis that a ten year old could question. It is to such an extent that I don't think an &quot;improved&quot; version would be posible. Of course, others may have different oppinions which is why I am trying to be fair and open it for rational discussion. What is the correct procedure? Thank you in advance - answer to my talk page [[User:DavidMilton|DavidMilton]] 19:54, 7 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:I'm not sure what the correct procedure is. Maybe you could post on the talk page, showing a few examples of &quot;spurious&quot; assertions. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:46, 7 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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::Ok I can do this, but I'm surprised that hte Help feature supplies a redundant page on discoussing articles for deletion. I was also under the impression that you had Sysop/Admin powers and would be familiar with such policies as it is a feature on other wikis. [[User:DavidMilton|DavidMilton]] 13:31, 8 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:::Actually I know policy fairly well and do have Sysop/Admin powers. Either provide the requested examples, or drop the matter. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:47, 10 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Sid 3050 ==<br />
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Sid 3050 was blocked for three month for ''trolling''. The only edit he made during the day before his block seems to be to answer to your question in a section above (''So, will it go away if you ignore it?'') - see his [[Special:Contributions/Sid 3050|list of contributions]]. You had personally addressed this comment (''But I'll take a look at Sid's material below now, just to be a good sport.''), so you should be able to judge whether such a comment is ''trolling''. Could you please review Sid's block? In a timely fashion? Thanks, [[User:RonLar|RonLar]] 09:17, 15 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:Sid was trolling. Whether this justifies a three month block is up to the admin in question. <br />
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:I'm always open to suggestions for making Conservapedia more trustworthy. If you have anything specific in mind, please speak up.<br />
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:Of particular interest to me would be any material relating to the contrast between conservative and liberal viewpoints on American political issues, as well as philosophy, religion and science. To my regret, repeated invitations to include users who are ideological opponents of this project have not met with an enthusiastic response. It's almost as if they wish to conceal their ideological differences; ironically, this could be seen as self-censorship. <br />
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:If anyone wants to describe liberal POV here they may, provided only that it is clearly labeled as such - not presented as gospel. This should not be an onerous requirement: it's the same as Wikipedia's NPOV policy. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:42, 15 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Vandalism ==<br />
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Help! A user called CortA is currently vandalising articles. --[[User:SamCoulter|SamCoulter]] 13:15, 15 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:OK, Andy blocked him. --[[User:SamCoulter|SamCoulter]] 13:17, 15 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Misled by RonLar ==<br />
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I was quite astonished by your last actions. I slept over it and want to clarify my earlier remark.<br />
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*I'd appreciate if you would be less generous with your slight innuendos (''&quot;thanks for nothing!&quot;'', ''&quot;misled by RonLar&quot;''): these make it difficult to assume ''good faith'' on your side. And they have the annoying tendency to backfire...<br />
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*my statement ''&quot;Where is the right place to propose an alternative viewpoint? Surely not in the article itself, but on its talk-page. This is a simple necessity for all protected articles, but a good idea for most of those articles some sysops feel strongly about.&quot;'' is hardly misleading - even though it is not written by a native speaker! In fact, it is echoing the sentiments of Conservapedia's [[Conservapedia:Editing etiquette|editing etiquettes]]:<br />
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:::* '''You should discuss changes made by an Administrator before reverting their edits. Administrators are charged with seeing that article content is in line with Conservapedia guidelines. [[Edit war]]ring with an Administrator usually results in a temporary block.'''<br />
:::* '''You should not alter the editorial content of an article away from a [[conservative]], or [[Christian]], or [[family friendly]] &quot;tone&quot; without discussing proposed changes on the talk page.'''<br />
:::*'''Never make substantial edits to an article without discussing your changes first on the talk page. If you have a reasonable expectation that other editors will accept your change(s), the changes are just formatting / copy editing, you should proceed.'''<br />
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*Inserting an alternative viewpoint is most certainly a ''substantial edit'' - and the etiquettes advise you to discuss such an edit at first on the talk-page.<br />
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*So, I made a true statement, in accordance with Conservapedia's policy on editing, and you '''misread''' it. To reiterate: You weren't '''misled''', you simply '''misread''' it. And this misunderstanding (of your part) you took as a reason to erase the whole section and seemingly not to read the rest of my comment? Deleting a section on censorship is always a little bit ironic... <br />
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*BTW: whether the article is protected or not is not of any interest for the discussion of censorship! A library does not only censor the books it throws from it shelves, but the books it doesn't allow into it shelves in the first place!<br />
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*I put the whole section up [[User:RonLar|here]], so you can read it carefully again. Take your time, but nevertheless, react timely - you said that would be important....<br />
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[[User:RonLar|RonLar]] 12:05, 16 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
:At this point, I think it's become abundantly clear that complaining about censorship will get you nowhere. I realize users will come up and be frustrated by certain site traditions, but that's just the way Conservapedia is run, RonLar.--[[User:CamilleT|CamilleT]] 13:41, 16 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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::Sorry, I thought you were saying the article was protected. <br />
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::Also, I'm astonished to think that you consider adding alternative viewpoints to be something that has to be '''cleared''' with a sysop first. My understanding of project policy is that all contributors are free to describe non-conservative, non-Christian views ... especially on an article describing a controversy between the two sides. <br />
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::Has someone told you you can't describe the liberal or secular viewpoint on some topic? (Or did you try to sneak in such a viewpoint without proper attribution)? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <br />
&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:38, 16 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:::*Apology accepted. Perhaps you could revert your reaction to this misunderstanding by reintroducing the section which you erased from your talk-page?<br />
:::*Please read [[User:RonLar#Again, the previous example of ideological censorship, in detail]] - all of it, not only the first sentence. This should answer some of your questions.<br />
:::*Please address the incident which I mentioned there.<br />
:::[[User:RonLar|RonLar]] 16:56, 16 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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::::Eh? I thought you wanted help. Please answer my question: Has someone told you you can't describe the liberal or secular viewpoint on some topic? (Or did you try to sneak in such a viewpoint without proper attribution)? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:39, 17 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:::::How is it a sensible use of my time to answer new questions when you seem to ignore my answers to your old ones? Please remember your statements:<br />
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:::::''Unless you can show at least one diff, where a senior editor censored something ... merely because it disagreed with some conservative shibboleth ... than you ought to stop saying this. I address this not so much to you, as to those who follow you or travel alongside you.'' }}<br />
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:::::''I asked for an instance of ideological censorship.''}}<br />
:::::Well, you find it here: [[User:RonLar#Again.2C_the_previous_example_of_ideological_censorship.2C_in_detail]] Of course I am willing to answer any question concerning this specific example of censorship, especially those which indicate that you read the whole comment.<br />
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:::::Thanks, [[User:RonLar|RonLar]] 02:41, 18 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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Nearly two weeks later: Did you take a look? Or even better, did you read the whole thing? [[User:RonLar|RonLar]] 18:17, 1 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Anti-Clancy cracks? ==<br />
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In general I'm a Clancy fan but I think some of the criticism you removed was valid. For example by the time he wrote &quot;The Bear and the Dragon&quot; his standards of research had perceptibly dropped (The AH-64 has a 20mm gun? Really?) and &quot;Red Rabbit&quot; and &quot;The Teeth of the Tiger&quot; were frankly rubbish. Maybe some of the criticisms should stay? --[[User:SamCoulter|SamCoulter]] 23:09, 17 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:Anything can stay if properly sourced: X said Y about Z. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:10, 17 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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::What would be an acceptable source? I have all Clancy's books; would they be acceptable sources for pointing out declining standards of technical accuracy? --[[User:SamCoulter|SamCoulter]] 23:20, 17 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:::LOL, '''your''' interpretation of Clancy's writings would be (what is called at Wikipedia) original research. If you don't know what I meant by 'properly sourced', then you're unqualified to contribute anything further to this project. If you do know, you're just toying with me. Godspeed. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:23, 17 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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::::Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear enough. What I'd do is reference both Clancy's books and technical sources that contradict them, such as the fact that the AH-64 does NOT have a 20mm gun. Like I said I'm generally a Clancy fan - &quot;Without Remorse&quot; may just be the best thriller ever written - but his last few books have been a bit disappointing and his research has definitely slipped. --[[User:SamCoulter|SamCoulter]] 23:28, 17 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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::::What I would propose is to remove the comments about &quot;The sum of all fears&quot; - a nuclear weapon could be built with a table saw and a small lathe, never mind optical milling equipment - but keep and expand on the comment about the declining level of technical accuracy. The divergence of the Ryanverse from reality isn't important because it IS fiction, but the declining level of research and tendency towards unrealistic assessments of real-world capabilities IS important. For example &quot;The Bear and the Dragon&quot; is utterly unrealistic even in the Ryanverse. If China invaded Russia they'd get about ten feet over the border before being annihilated. The fortifitions on the Sino-Russian border make the Maginot line look like a sand castle on the beach, and they were actually designed by strategic thinkers. --[[User:SamCoulter|SamCoulter]] 23:44, 17 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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On second thought, maybe I'm being too hard on you. I recently started tutoring schoolchildren, and I'm learning to be more patient with their quaint notions. After all, making wrong guesses and getting them corrected is often the best way to learn. Shall I not condescend to grant you the same grace? ;-)<br />
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I've read all Tom Clancy's [[Jack Ryan]] and [[John Clark]] novels. I always assumed that any discrepancies were inserted on purpose; Clancy certainly would have no reason to put correct information on how to make a suitcase-sized nuclear bomb in his books: what conservative would want to inspire a copycat crime? <br />
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If you want to include &quot;criticism&quot; by some published author who says an attack helicopter does or does not have a certain sized gun, go ahead. He's also not very accurate about the software used in the stock market, although it was a key plot element in ''[[Debt of Honor]]''. (Come to think of it, if a man knew everything and wanted to make money betting on horse races, he would know not to put all his winnings on the next race (&quot;[[John Doe]]&quot; TV series pilot). --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:56, 24 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Language ==<br />
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[http://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Big_Bang_theory Language like this] makes me extremely uncomfortable: &quot;when grownups talk&quot;, &quot;woman's logic is strange, don't you think&quot;, etc. (especially this in his earlier statements: &quot;and being educated briefly by my grandpa in matters &quot;of faith&quot;, mostly about &quot;Catholic errors&quot;, and the absolute need to be trufhful, my concern was that the Catholics are wrong on one more point since the Big Bang was proven wrong in 1985&quot;)<br />
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First, I am not a woman. My identity is very well known and I am quite easy to find. Ottava means eight, and Ottava Rima means Eight Rhyme, a type of rhyming pattern used in Italian epic poetry. Second, his language is condescending, misogynistic, religiously bigoted, etc. Third, his claims about the Big Bang Theory are rather strange, conspiratorial, and nothing I have ever heard by any legitimate scientist. I cannot honestly believe that he is a real conservative but I believe he is a plant just like many of the people who vandalize. His job is to produce some of the most absurd stuff to try and make conservatives look awful. If I am wrong, I am wrong, but his language does not seem like something that is appropriate. I talked to Geoff Plourde about this quite a bit tonight because it bothered me a lot. [[User:Ottava|Ottava]] ([[user talk:Ottava|talk]]) 22:44, 18 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Um ==<br />
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[[Atheism and obesity]] - is this a joke? It seems to be just a list of fat atheists. It even has random tidbits like &quot;Chuck Norris endorses the Total Gym exercise system.[59]&quot; I know many priests who are overweight, and many religious people who are. I know many atheists who are ultra thing and anorexic. <br />
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&quot;Christian and Library of Congress researcher's explanations of reports of UFOs &quot; How would that even deal with atheism and obesity? Yet it is in there. <br />
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The page looks like it was created to make Conservapedia and conservatism look really bad. Sigh. [[User:Ottava|Ottava]] ([[user talk:Ottava|talk]]) 22:58, 18 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:User:Conservative is good at attracting readership to this website. The [[Atheism and obesity]] seems to me a bit of payback for the liberals who call Rush Limbaugh a big, fat idiot. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:57, 24 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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::And in his payback, he demeans everyone who is overweight, including myself. I've dealt with mean-spirited behavior from people about weight the majority of my life - there is no acceptable reason for being hostile about the issue. --[[User:SharonW|SharonW]] 16:53, 24 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== You were looking for ideological censorship? ==<br />
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[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Bestiality&amp;curid=88619&amp;diff=920267&amp;oldid=920266 easy to find] --[[User:DrDean|DrDean]] 23:52, 23 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:Not as easy as you say. See [[Talk:Bestiality]]. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:44, 24 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Senior Admin assistance ==<br />
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Hi Ed, I would like to bring something to your attention as a senior administrator. I have been in private communication with User:SamCoulter over the last few weeks. There is nothing in his attitude and comments to me in private and his behaviour here on Conservapedia to suggest this user is anything but sincere. He was recently blocked for the edit [http://conservapedia.com/Special:Contributions/SamCoulter here] (the last edit he made - I will not link directly to it because the topics are extremely offensive and not family friendly). For this effort he was blocked for three months. His edit was a) relevant b) correct according to the article linked and c) was a link which was on the front page already. It seems that some users wanted to quote the article without implying the articles conclusions as they were at loggerheads with a users personal opinion. I don't think the user should have been blocked but now he is I won't remove it but I do believe that 3 months is extremely heavy-handed. I don't want to create controversy so I will not chnage the block myself but I am bringing this up with you and User:Karajou also (I am unable to contact the blocking sysop). Thank you. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 20:11, 25 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
:::Keep him blocked. He vandalized twice. In fact, I am going to increase the time blocked. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:02, 25 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
::::Do you have evidence of this vandalism? [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 21:04, 25 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
:::::If you want to defend those recent contributions be my guest. If you want to wrangle with me about them, it is not going to happen. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:09, 25 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
::::::I tell you now '''there was no vandalism''' you are blocking a user for adding sourced and factual material. You are blocking him for no reason! [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 21:09, 25 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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Sorry, but it's actually very easy to avoid a block. I suggest you start coaching new users about courtesy, project goals, etc. <br />
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I myself disagree with the project goals of RW, but they haven't given me any long blocks. Why? Because I follow their rules in their house.<br />
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Adolescents often have trouble figuring out what the rules are, or trouble realizing the benefits of following them. (In the long run, civil disobedience campaigns against beneficial institutions such as Democracy and Free Markets simply backfire.) --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:52, 2 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:I respectfully disagree with you. It's incredibly ''easy'' to get blocked on this site, because honestly, it appears to depend on the whim of the blocking editor (doesn't like what's being said because it's contrary to the blocking editor's opinion, got up on the wrong side of the bed, had a fight with someone in real life and are taking it out on editors here at CP.) You yourself just handed out an ''infinite'' block for ''defending'' someone.<br />
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:Many editors, myself included, have protested User:Conservative's articles and his method of defending them. If anyone objects, he automatically deems them an atheist/evolutionist, etc., which at least in my case, is far from the truth. I object to several things. First, his use of &quot;obese&quot; as a ''ad hominem'' attack against people whose ideas he disagrees with. I've dealt with bullying behavior about weight most of my life, and have tried to point out to him how hurtful his taunts are, but he thinks it's amusing, and the other sysops here (yourself included) appear to agree. I'm all for a good discussion about ''ideas'', but when the attacks become personal, and all-inclusive, then yes, I'm going to protest.<br />
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:Second, most of the articles are just ''badly, badly written''. They meander ''miles'' away from the original topic, they tend to be a bunch of quotes lumped together, and in many of them, the point that he's trying to make is missed completely. The actual subjects might be valid, and important enough to warrent an article on them, but creating 10 articles that say the same thing, and that can (and should) be consolidated into one, '''''well-researched and well-written document''''', is just poor scholarship. --[[User:SharonW|SharonW]] 12:53, 2 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
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::Well, thank you for not giving me an excuse to block you! ;-) Very well written . . .<br />
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::As I've said elsewhere, [http://ameriwiki.wikkii.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ed_Poor&amp;diff=4073&amp;oldid=4071] I disagree with the stance of &quot;the admin&quot; who is making ''[[ad hominem]]'' attacks on atheists; I think it's a misguided attempt to attract readership.<br />
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::If anyone's had a '''good''' edit reverted for a bad reason, they can just let me know. Just remember: if anyone is criticizing to condemn, I'm not interested, but if they want me to change things, I'm the man who can do it. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:03, 2 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== BrentH's block ==<br />
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I see you blocked BrentH for trolling and reverted 2 of his edits. He linked [[Professor]] to an existing article here on CP, [[Professor values]]. Why was that trolling? --[[User:SharonW|SharonW]] 19:55, 1 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
:Perhaps prior edits?--[[User:SeanS|SeanS]] 20:01, 1 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
::User: Ed Poor did not appreciate the section right above this one--[[User:CamilleT|CamilleT]] 21:14, 1 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
:::BrentH made a perfectly reasonable and respectful suggestion. It would appear from the edit history that he was referring to an article about Winona Ryder, created by Ed Poor, which contained one piece of trivia but no basic information regarding the person whatsoever. What BrentH said is simply common sense, and I too cannot see how this can justify a block. [[User:DavidZa|DavidZa]] 22:45, 1 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
::::Indeed, certain longstanding members of this community seem to have rather thin skin. I did not see BrentH's post as offensive or out of line--[[User:CamilleT|CamilleT]] 22:54, 1 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== This is an encyclopedia. ==<br />
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You wrote that on my talkpage. ''This is an encyclopedia.''. Well, if it is articles like [[bestiality and Britain]] ahould be deleted because, as I have pointed out numerous times, it has nothing to do with bestiality and Britain. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 16:27, 2 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:Article deleted. [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&amp;type=delete&amp;user=Ed+Poor&amp;page=&amp;year=&amp;month=-1&amp;hide_patrol_log=1]<br />
::Hey thanks Ed. Just for the record though I wasn't &quot;bothered&quot; by the content so much as bothered by the ''lack'' of content. As the commandments say - everything must be true and verifiable which that article clearly wasn't. Many thanks. I must admit - I have a lot of respect for you and karajou. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 16:54, 2 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
:::Ed, evolution was birthed in Britain and secularism has grown rampant in their country. Now their society is a mess and there is rioting in the streets. In addition, the'' Guardian'' just published a puff piece on bestiality. I say enough is enough and it's time their moral rot is exposed. I realize that pointing out that folly and consequences of atheism/evolutionism annoys liberals, but so what. Not only are they grossly and obviously in error, but atheists/evolutionists have shown themselves [[Atheism and cowardice|to be timid little bunnies]]. I restored the article because I feel confident that Conservapedia can stand up to foolish and timid little bunnies. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 17:21, 2 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
::::Enough with the insults conservative. I am neither a liberal nor an atheist and am sick to death of you accusing me of such. The article has nothing, I repeat '''nothing''' about the practice in Britain. I say again '''nothing'''. You poor scholarship is on show and we can ''all'' see it. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 19:02, 2 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
::::::Ed, a Brit was trying to bring over his deviant farming practices to the United States as can be seen [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/7600523/British-man-51-arrested-at-bestiality-farm.html HERE]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 20:28, 2 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::You misread the article, Conservative. The Oregon farm is owned by an American. The British man was visiting it. Read [http://www.examiner.com/headlines-in-seattle/seattle-convicted-cocaine-smuggler-arrested-likely-into-bestiality-liking-sex-with-animals here] for a version of the story that makes who owned the farm clearer. <br />
[[File:Keldaby goats.jpg|thumbnail|200px|right|An exclusive British art gallery was criticised for displaying a highly offensive bestiality oriented painting which featured a [[goat]] just yards from The Ritz hotel and where it could be seen by children.- The Daily Mail online (MailOnline), August 5, 2011 ''The explicit art that shows bestiality with a goat just yards from The Ritz'']]<br />
::::::::There is no way I'd let children any where this site with Conservatives despicable articles all over the place. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 20:54, 2 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::::Max, I heard Oregon was pretty liberal. It figures the farm was in Oregon. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:30, 2 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
::::::::::::I heard that most states are pretty liberal... But that doesn't make the rumors true. [[User:JonG|~ ]][[User_talk:JonG|JonG]][[Special:Contributions/JonG| ~]] 22:34, 2 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
Oregon voted for Obama plus fairly recently they had the most atheists per capita in the United States. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:57, 2 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
:Omaha, Nebraska also voted for obama but calling it liberal is very silly--[[User:SeanS|SeanS]] 22:58, 2 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
[http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/25/new-poll-identifies-most-liberal-and-conservative-states/ Oregon is liberal] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 23:07, 2 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
:I'm slightly confused as to why it's relevant or not that Oregon is liberal. After all the state DOES have a law against bestiality, so that argues against liberals being tolerant of it. --[[User:ColSharp|ColSharp]] 08:33, 3 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
::Since when do liberals obey the laws on the books in the first place? This photo [http://www.conservapedia.com/File:1915b7ec753fa9d0352885dc23da4469.jpg] is proof that liberals have no intention of obeying laws regarding littering. They trashed Washington D.C. ''when they got their way'', January 20, 2009. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 09:10, 3 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
:::There's a law in New Jersey about recycling, yet I know several conservatives who refuse to recycle. Why is this? [[User:JonG|~ ]][[User_talk:JonG|JonG]][[Special:Contributions/JonG| ~]] 13:26, 3 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Request for Admin assistance ==<br />
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To all senior admins and sysops. I am being repeatedly abused by user:conservative who, among other things, accuses me continuously of being an atheist simply because I point out some of the holes in his articles. See [http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&amp;curid=113357&amp;diff=924642&amp;oldid=924636 here for the latest accusation]. I have asked him numerous times to desist with his sneering name calling as I find it offensive to have my faith questioned and nothing is ever done. He state’s I am atheist because I don’t agree with some of his ridiculous contentions. In actual fact it isn’t even that I disagree with him it is that I point out his shoddy research, poor scholarship and his berating, insulting and sarcastic behaviour towards others. I am of the opinion now that he is purposely calling me names because he knows I don’t like it which is unchristian, impolite and, above all, insulting. Is anyone going to teach this man some manners? Has Conservapedia become a place where Conservative is allowed to behave this way without any warning or comeuppance but all other editors and warned and blocked for minor infractions. He is in continual violation of the commandments yet NOTHING is done whereas people like myself are always watching out to avoid being banned. Well, fine, ban me if you like. I probably will be after this posting and no doubt Conservative will cackle with glee at “winning” again. But laugh Conservative, you win nothing. I post this is full knowledge that I might be blocked banned and insulted by you in my absence and I have always remained polite and civil plus I can hold my head up high. Hopefully one of you will take a stand and insist on standards of civility. But I don’t hold out much hope. Thanks, many of you were kind, decent people whom I enjoyed working with and I pray for you. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 19:21, 5 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
:I am disappointed in you most of all Ed. Coming from wikipedia and being the first to jump on others for incivility you ignore when it comes to the ruling chaste of Conservapedia. You should be ashamed. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 17:48, 12 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
:::Max, I think you assume entirely too much about my dispositions. You really don't know what extent I &quot;cackle&quot; or if I &quot;cackle&quot; at all. You also don't know what value I place on &quot;winning&quot;. In fact, you don't even know if I am one person or a team. I/we remain inscrutable. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:24, 12 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
::::User:Conservative, this is getting silly. You wrote for instance:<br />
::::::''Actually KhalidM, I have a very outgoing personality and a university professor friend of mine told me that I would make a great administrator because I can be very diplomatic. While I realize that I will never cultivate a large atheist or liberal fan club, I can live with that. Conservative 20:34, 5 October 2011 (EDT) ''<br />
::::So, while your grammatical gender may be undetermined, your number isn't. [[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 15:44, 13 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== King George I ==<br />
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The article of [[King George I]] was deleted as a ''creation of vandals''. On the talk page I read the comment of User:RJJense: ''I added much new text, all of which I wrote, and previously posted on Citizendium.'' I looked up the article at Citizendium and it seemed to be quite informative - certainly not vandalistic! Could it be restored? I'd like to insert a valid link into [[elector]]s.<br />
[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 15:57, 13 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
:::I restored the last version by RJJense. I feel confident that his last version was a good article. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:34, 13 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks - it really seems so! [[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 16:57, 13 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
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==&quot;New Ordeal&quot;==<br />
Hello, I noticed that you placed the quotation marks around the term &quot;New Ordeal.&quot; As you have probably noticed I have been attempting to fix that article. Quite frankly, the article is pretty bad to start with and several of the references that prior authors cited have nothing to do with the topic. Do you know if there is procedure in which this article may be recommended for deletion? --[[User:Padams|Padams]] 15:33, 15 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:Better to mark it as an essay. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:31, 19 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Block of AugustO ==<br />
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I looked at [[Conservapedia:Editor's_guide#If_you_get_blocked]]:<br />
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''If you get blocked, it's probably because you (1) broke the rules and (2) ignored hints, requests and/or warnings. So the first thing you should do is review your communications with others here, particularly those who are admins. Have you been trying to get along by following our practices and supporting our goals, or have you been trying to change our ways? If you are new here, it's best to go along to get along. After you have contributed a lot, we'll be more likely to listen to your suggestions, but breaking the rules will just end up with eliminating you from the project. ''<br />
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::*I can't think of any rule which I broke<br />
::*I was requested to ''to do some charitable work somewhere instead''. I'm already engaged in such work, so this doesn't apply...<br />
::*I don't try to ''change our ways''. I try to correct factual errors (e.g., ιδού can be translated as ''at this moment'' or that it is right to call ''Carolus Martellus'' the grandson of ''Carolus Magnus''.)<br />
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''Perhaps upon reflection you may realize that you'd rather be part of the project than insist on your own way. You might want to apologize and get unblocked. ''<br />
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::*I don't insist on my own way and I apologize if anyone feels insulted by my criticism.<br />
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''If you want to discuss your block, '''do not create a new account'''. Rather, use one of the following methods to appeal the decision (listed in order of preference). ''<br />
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::*Here, I obviously failed. <br />
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1. ''Contact the person who blocked you (see below).<br />
::*tried<br />
2. ''If you get no reply after a reasonable amount of time, you may contact any Administrator.<br />
::*tried<br />
3. ''Email cpwebmaster@conservapedia.com giving the name of the Administrator or editor who blocked you, and the date, and it will be forwarded on to them. <br />
::*tried<br />
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''If you contact more than one person about this, please do them the courtesy of letting them know who else you have tried contacting. ''<br />
::*This should be obvious from the header of my emails.<br />
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''Contacting an Administrator or editor can usually be done by one of the following methods: ''<br />
*''Use the &quot;Email this user&quot; link in the toolbox. This, however, will only work if both you and the Administrator or editor have enabled this on your/their respective accounts.<br />
*''The Administrator or editor may have provided an email address or other contact information (e.g. AIM) on their user page. <br />
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::*This section seems to be obsolete: ''email this user'' doesn't work for any of the administrators I tried to reach. And I couldn't get Ed Poor's email address via his user page. So we are in a [[Catch 22]] kind of situation...<br />
::*I emailed to &lt;code&gt;aschlafy@aol.com&lt;/code&gt;, &lt;code&gt;conservapedia@zoho.com&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;cpwebmaster@conservapedia.com&lt;/code&gt;. I didn't get any reply (is 1-2 days a ''reasonable amount of time'' to wait? I thinks so...) to my short email which stated: ''I understand that my criticisms of CBP and the World History Lectures are quite unwelcome, but they are hardly trolling! I'd appreciate if you lift my block.''<br />
::*So I decided to create a new account to appeal the block, hoping that the advice against this action is as obsolete as other sections of the ''editor's guide''.<br />
[[User:ErnestO|ErnestO]] 07:56, 26 October 2011 (EDT) (AugustO)<br />
:::August, I think you should start a career in sales. You certainly have the persistence to be a good salesman. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 09:47, 26 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
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Ed Poor, the block of AugustO is now more than a week old. I tried to reach you via various channels - could you please lift the block as the stated reason (&quot;trolling&quot;) doesn't apply? [[User:ErnestO|ErnestO]] 11:09, 31 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:Please get a [[writing plan]] from him and get it to me, and I'll consider it. Meanwhile, any sysop is free to unblock him. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 21:01, 31 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
::Is that any official Sysop, or anyone with Block rights? I'd be happy to unblock Mr O so that he can post his writing plan.--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 10:25, 1 November 2011 (EDT)<br />
:::On second thoughts, perhaps I'll just go ahead. Please reverse my action if I'm overstepping the mark.--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 10:33, 1 November 2011 (EDT)<br />
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*Thanks for the unblock!<br />
*I read the article on the [[writing plan]], and I'll try to provide you with one. This would be easier if a ''sample plan'' were provided. But nonetheless, here it is:<br />
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Mainly I'm interested in the CBP. Mind you, I'm not ''Junker Jörg'', I'm not capable to create a translation on my own which stands for hundreds of years. But I think that translating the Bible in a group, and extensively discussing your work is a marvelous way to get a greater insight into the ''Book of books''. While doing so, I try to dig into what Conservative calls the ''ANE culture'', as you can see [[Talk:John_1-7_(Translated)#Issue_with_translation_of_John_4:53|here]], where I try to shed light on timekeeping during the Roman empire.<br />
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When I came here, I thought that there would be a group of likewise interested individuals, but at the moment there seems to be only one other editor with similar interests.<br />
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As my approach to the CBP generates quite a few edits on talk-pages, I balance these with edits to articles. These tend to by connected somehow with my namesakes (August of Saxony, Ernest August of Hanover), the history - or just happen on pages where I read something which puzzled me :-)<br />
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== Abortion issue ==<br />
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It would be a great idea to merge the articles. In fact, if you were interested in expanding the article, I might be interested in helping.--[[User:JamesWilson|James Wilson]] 14:28, 29 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:Yes, please help me organize this. We should give prominence to conservative views, but let's steer away from censoring liberal views. It would be nice if liberals could see '''why''' conservatives believe differently. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:43, 29 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
::OK!--[[User:JamesWilson|James Wilson]] 14:48, 29 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
::I merged the articles and added a bit on abortion and political ideology. How is it?--[[User:JamesWilson|James Wilson]] 21:53, 31 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
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==Thanks for the change but==<br />
perhaps it should be bed bugs (plural), and now when i make an edit and it goes thru, if i try to make another one i get &quot;Someone else has changed this page since you started editing it&quot; but no one has. Going back to page and trying anew results in the same. 3.1: longetivity should be longevity. <br />
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Jesus is Lord, thanks[[User:Daniel1212|Daniel1212]] 07:58, 5 November 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Blocking policy improvement panel member - please give your feedback here ==<br />
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Blocking policy improvement panel member - please give your feedback [http://conservapedia.com/User_talk:Aschlafly#Panel_members.2C_please_give_your_feedback_below HERE]<br />
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Your assistance would be much appreciated. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:05, 16 November 2011 (EST)<br />
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:I have explained my ideas in private email to you and Andy. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:50, 11 December 2011 (EST)<br />
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== a few messages to you ==<br />
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There are a few messages to you here: http://conservapedia.com/Talk:Air_superiority [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:14, 26 May 2012 (EDT)<br />
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== Thanks ==<br />
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Thanks for picking up some of my &quot;wiki litter&quot; that I left behind (redirects to non-existent pages). I will try to be more diligent as far as not littering in the future. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:22, 11 June 2012 (EDT)<br />
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:You're welcome. And don't bother yourself: it's better for you to focus your time on building the wiki, while less talented contributors like myself do the routine housekeeping. <br />
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:If I had your writing skill, I'd be making whole article like you do. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:34, 12 June 2012 (EDT)<br />
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== A message to you from Cipe ==<br />
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Fixing a MediaWiki message: <br />
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Hello,<br />
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Could you perform the edit I described [http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Aschlafly&amp;oldid=992864#Edit_request here, on very bottom of the page]? I asked Aschlafly but he's probably busy now.<br />
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Best [[User:Cipe|Cipe]] 15:33, 13 July 2012 (EDT)<br />
::I know the basics of Wiki coding and not the advanced level coding. I would ask someone else. Try Ed Poor. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:32, 13 July 2012 (EDT)<br />
:::Unfortunately, I cannot edit Ed's talk page. Could you suggest someone different? Or message him?<br />
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:::The change is rather small and requires only copy-and-paste. More directly: you can copy contents of this: [[User:Cipe/MW_fix]] to: [[MediaWiki:Revision-info]]. Even if my suggestion is wrong, it can be reverted, so there is no danger. [[User:Cipe|Cipe]] 16:41, 13 July 2012 (EDT)<br />
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Okay, I did it. But where can I see the results? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:53, 13 July 2012 (EDT)<br />
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Thank you very much. You'll see it when checking older revision. Here is an example: [http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Barack_Hussein_Obama&amp;oldid=991546].<br />
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I noticed that MediaWiki has a different message when you're checking current revision. I'll prepare fix in a moment. [[User:Cipe|Cipe]] 17:55, 13 July 2012 (EDT)<br />
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:The message seems to have logged me out. I think it needs fixing. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:56, 13 July 2012 (EDT)<br />
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::I also got logged out, but only once. I can consistently see the new message now. Perhaps the software logs out when a edit to MediaWiki is made. Could you please copy [[User:Cipe/MW fix 2]] to [[MediaWiki:Revision-info-current]]? I promise it's the last change :) It is shown for a permalink to current revision. [[User:Cipe|Cipe]] 18:08, 13 July 2012 (EDT)<br />
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:::I don't think that's it. I think you need to put the '''www.''' in front of '''www.conservapedia.com''' --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:09, 13 July 2012 (EDT)<br />
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::::It seems to work. I can see the messages: [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Barack_Hussein_Obama&amp;oldid=991546 for past revisions] and [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Barack_Hussein_Obama&amp;oldid=992065 for current revision]. Thanks for changing. [[User:Cipe|Cipe]] 18:19, 13 July 2012 (EDT)<br />
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== Thank you for unlocking your talk page ==<br />
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I really appreciate being able to get in contact with you directly when the circumstances arise. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 18:39, 13 July 2012 (EDT)<br />
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== Thank you ==<br />
Now he can try to justify what he said about the article. [[User:Davidspencer|Davidspencer]] 14:29, 14 July 2012 (EDT)<br />
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== File:GoreFireBreathing.jpg ==<br />
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Do you think it would be appropriate to use this image in the [[Current TV]] article? It's already in Gore's main article, so why not include it in the article about his obscure TV network on channel 9800 on my TV? --[[User:JamesWilson|James Wilson]] 20:35, 15 July 2012 (EDT)<br />
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== apology. ==<br />
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Hey, I just wanted to apologise for the comments I made related to you, they were impolite and unnecessary. I don't have anything against you or anything, I just posted something that I thought was relevent without thinking how it would be taken by anyone other than myself, as it happened they were rude and quite personal. I acknowledge that I behaved quite badly, and in future I will try to avoid giving you, or others, offense. So..... virtual handshake?[[User:Cmurphynz|Cmurphynz]] 06:18, 18 July 2012 (EDT)<br />
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:Oh, don't be so dramatic. Just comment on the articles and issues of the day, and forget about personalities. That's how this project's supposed to run. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 21:33, 18 July 2012 (EDT)<br />
::lol. Nah it's difficult to tell over the internet how people are reacting, so for all I knew you could have been quite insulted or something, and I had to make sure that I was being very clear. Anyway, cool[[User:Cmurphynz|Cmurphynz]] 01:03, 19 July 2012 (EDT)<br />
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:::I'm not sure you get it: We don't want personal remarks on this wiki, clear or not. You need to be clear only about one thing: what you intend to write about an article topic. You must not comment on other users in any way. Is '''that''' clear? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:01, 20 July 2012 (EDT)<br />
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== On Personal Attacks ==<br />
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Dear Mr. Poor,<br />
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As someone who has been the subject of personal comments (see [http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&amp;diff=987753&amp;oldid=987715], [http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&amp;diff=987827&amp;oldid=987777], [http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&amp;diff=987956&amp;oldid=987955], [http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Aschlafly&amp;diff=990739&amp;oldid=990566]), I would like to share my opinion on Conservapedia's policy on personal attacks.<br />
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I think it is very appropriate to make '''relevant''' comments on editing and other wiki behavior to determine what the best practices are with regards to editing and other actions and, if necessary, to instruct users who may not know better about such practices. For example, I have informed two administrators about redacting the automatically-generated deletion log entry to remove sensitive material. I have also asked one administrator to include source information in that user's uploaded images, requests with which this user has complied. Likewise, if someone has a habit of posting comments on talk pages without signing them, it is appropriate to inform them of how to sign posts. Further, if someone is about to violate 90/10, a warning is definitely appropriate. None of these have to do with the real-life '''personality''' that these editors, many of whom are brothers and sisters in Christ, have; these comments focus on on-wiki '''behavior'''.<br />
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Further, I think that if someone is going to make a statement regarding real-life facts or Conservapedia's commandments, policies, and best practices, it is appropriate to debate this statement '''without going into personality details'''. Such debate may very well include Socratic or rhetorical questioning as a argumentative device.<br />
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Of course, Mr. Schlafly is the owner of the site, so he has the final say in this, but I'm sure he would agree with what I have written. Although attacks on another editor's real-life personality should generally be removed, I do not see the need to remove good-faith debate and discussion over user '''behavior''' at Conservapedia.<br />
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Thank you for reading this. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 12:36, 21 July 2012 (EDT)<br />
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:Yeah, thanks, Greg. If I err on the side of &quot;absolutely nothing about the person&quot; to an absurd point, please continue to help me out. I'm mainly opposed to comments like, &quot;You're a jerk&quot; or &quot;I don't have to follow the rules.&quot; <br />
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:Nothing wrong with '''friendly''' personal comments, like, &quot;Thanks for pointing out that a rigid, absolutist enforcement of the rules may not be wise.&quot; --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:01, 22 July 2012 (EDT)<br />
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== Hey Ed ==<br />
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I saw your Arbcom case over at Wikipedia just today looking through for cases of bias there. :) Wikipedia's - nuts, huh? Lol. I ran into the Obama bias team over there in Scjessey, Wikidemon, and company, back in late 2009. It's become so hopelessly biased by now you've just got to laugh. They know they're keeping all controversy out of the Obama page and how biased they are, and don't care. Well, all my facts are at Conservapedia's services now. :) Anyway, just saying it's nice to see another ex-Wikipedian here I guess - hope we get some more! :) --[[User:Jzyehoshua|Jzyehoshua]] 01:15, 22 July 2012 (EDT)<br />
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==Tehpwn3r==<br />
'User names based on your real name or initials are '''preferred'''' does not state that you will be blocked. [[User:Conservative|Also]].--[[User:Wishnaka|Wishnaka]] 19:51, 25 August 2012 (EDT)<br />
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*Inappropriate user name. It has been a general principle that one's user name be &quot;based on one's real first name and last initial&quot;, though there are a number of reasons why that is not always practical. The point is that we don't like the kind of foolish &quot;handles&quot; that are often used in various blogs and social web sites. If you run afoul of this by accident, you will be asked to create a new account, and doing so will not be considered sockpuppetry. Of course, some user names are essentially just vandalism, and are treated that way.<br />
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== Randall7 ==<br />
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If you don't object, I suggest shortening his block to maybe 3 days. His remark, while rude and impertinent, did have some substance, and a hard block doesn't serve to do anything but cause more unhappiness. Thanks for considering,<br />
[[User:Brenden|brenden]] 20:48, 25 August 2012 (EDT)<br />
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:If you unblock him, you're responsible. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:54, 25 August 2012 (EDT)<br />
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::I recommend keeping the week. And don't &gt; dont. --[[User:JamesWilson|James Wilson]] 21:01, 25 August 2012 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks for pointing out the typo.[[User:Brenden|brenden]] 23:35, 25 August 2012 (EDT)<br />
==Michael Baumgartner==<br />
Dear Mr. Poor,<br />
Please do a careful side-by-side comparison of [[Michael Baumgartner]] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_Baumgartner&amp;oldid=509330054 the Wikipedia article]. I did a google search on &quot;Michael Baumgartner&quot; and came up with a number of sources including the Wikipedia article. I took notes from all of the sources, and wrote a new article based on my notes. I honestly believe that the article uses a different set of sources, covers ideas in a different order, and covers the topic differently than Wikipedia. Please take another look, and if you agree, please restore [[Michael Baumgartner]]. Thanks, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 14:05, 27 August 2012 (EDT)<br />
*I understand the workload you face. Could you please look at the article and reconsider? [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 14:51, 27 August 2012 (EDT)<br />
*:Already restored in good faith; I trust you, and I'm not going to compare it closely. I'll leave that to others. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:54, 27 August 2012 (EDT)<br />
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== My condolences ==<br />
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On the death of the Rev Dr Moon. [[User:JuanMotame|JuanMotame]] 18:54, 2 September 2012 (EDT)<br />
==Thanks==<br />
Thanks for the welcome. I wonder if you could help me. I tried [[Special:MovePage/William. J. Fulbright]] but apparently I don't have permission. The page should be at [[J. William Fulbright]], the name of the founder of the Fulbright scholarship program.<br />
:Done. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 17:26, 4 September 2012 (EDT)<br />
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== Sun Myung Moon ==<br />
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You changed the first sentence of the protected article on [[Sun Myung Moon]] from the present to the past tense. Could you take care of the rest of the article, too? Thanks. [[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 05:35, 5 September 2012 (EDT)<br />
*Feel free to take care of that yourself. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:01, 5 September 2012 (EDT)<br />
::I took care of it. --[[User:JamesWilson|James Wilson]] 13:21, 5 September 2012 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks to both of you! [[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 13:32, 5 September 2012 (EDT)<br />
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== Requesting Assistance ==<br />
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Mr. Poor, I'm relatively new here and don't completely know my way around. Would you please look at my comment concerning [[Talk:American Atheists and their challenges in terms of overweight leadership personnel|American Atheists and their challenges in terms of overweight leadership personnel]]. If my view is in line with the site, I'm quite certain that a template or procedure is needed at this point. If my views are not in line with the site, please feel free to remove that comment as you see fit. You seem experienced here, so your guidance is requested. --[[User:Nouniquenames|Nouniquenames]] 00:03, 21 October 2012 (EDT)<br />
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== [[Psychological manipulation]] ==<br />
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I've noticed that you moved/redirected the above article to [[Essay: Psychological manipulation in the Bible]] on grounds &quot;not a general article; case study uses a Bible story&quot;. I've got somewhat confused about this step, because IMHO the article is general and only the case study section itself contains a &quot;Bible story&quot;. In fact the rest is a combination of various sources, some of them far from having anything to do w/ Bible at all. I was by far not completely done with that article and now I actually do not know how to continue working on it. It says now &quot;This Is An Original Work. Contributors should add their signatures to the end section. If published, a notice will be posted and, if desired, contributors will be recognized.&quot; but that was not my idea at all, I would be more than happy if anyone could help to extend that, in my opinion, general article. If I could suggest anything then I would like to suggest to move only the 'case study' section to the essay realms and keep the rest as general article with hyperlink to that essay in appropriate, perhaps 'See Also' section. I also deem as deficiency that article does not appear in the Psychology category now, I believe it belongs there.--[[User:AK|AK]] 10:35, 31 October 2012 (EDT)<br />
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==[[Objections to evolution]]==<br />
As for your rationale for redirect on 'Objections to evolution', namely &quot;I thought we already had plenty of articles opposing the Theory of evolution&quot;, I agree with you that &quot;we have&quot;, but still would dare to oppose the redirect on grounds that 'Objections to evolution' is an article that brainwashes people at WP and enjoys special defence by witch-hunters who heavily suppress any different points of view there thus I believe it is of significant importance to have available alternative view on the same topic under the very same title.--[[User:AK|AK]] 10:50, 31 October 2012 (EDT)<br />
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== Quote Templates ==<br />
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I was doing some ''random page'' editing and found that there was a whole load of quote templates you created a while ago that link to nowhere and nothing seems to link to them. It seems the template for linking these quotes never got off the ground. I'm proposing that these either be deleted or put into some sort of quote page as I don't think there much use at the moment (except for possibly taking up server space). Kind Regards [[User:Dvergne|Dvergne]] 02:00, 2 November 2012 (EDT)<br />
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==[[Unificationism]]==<br />
I am not surprised to see you make changes to the Unificationism page in defense of your church, but why did you remove the part in which Moon told an interviewer, &quot;God is living in me and I am the incarnation of himself.&quot; &quot;The whole world is in my hand and I will conquer and subjugate the world.&quot; [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19459920?print=true]<br />
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Are you saying the BBC made that up? [[User:Daniel1212|Daniel1212]] 08:23, 14 November 2012 (EST)<br />
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:You can put that back in. Sorry for the delayed answer; my day job keeps me pretty busy. <br />
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:Be advised, though, that Rev. Moon himself disputed the ''conquer and subjugate'' quote, telling Newsweek interviewers that he had been quoted out of context. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:35, 20 November 2012 (EST)<br />
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== Way to stop the spammers ==<br />
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From Aschlafly's talk page <br />
Yesterday after I prayed an idea came to me (most likely from god) to stop the spammers from registering the spam accounts. If we can move away from user captcha and instead use a question that requires some knowledge (for example what team does tim tebow sit on the bench for or which team did he turned around) as the spambots will be completely flummoxed by this. [[User:Dvergne|Dvergne]] 09:16, 19 November 2012 (EST)<br />
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:The questycaptcha is excellent for this purpose. It stops ocr bots, and most paid spammers. The code would be:<br />
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require_once( &quot;$IP/extensions/ConfirmEdit/ConfirmEdit.php&quot; );<br />
$wgCaptchaClass = 'QuestyCaptcha';<br />
$arr = array (<br />
&quot;A question?&quot; =&gt; &quot;An answer!&quot;,<br />
&quot;What is this wiki's name?&quot; =&gt; &quot;Conservapedia&quot;,<br />
'Who is Tim Tebow' =&gt; 'An athlete',<br />
foreach ( $arr as $key =&gt; $value ) {<br />
$wgCaptchaQuestions[] = array( 'question' =&gt; $key, 'answer' =&gt; $value );<br />
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Which you would place in /rootfiledirectory/localsettings.php[[User:Brenden|brenden]] 15:54, 19 November 2012 (EST)''<br />
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: Given your considerable experience in operating and maintaining wiki's like Wikipedia and convservapedia, do you think you would be able to implement this ? Regards [[User:Dvergne|Dvergne]] 05:12, 23 November 2012 (EST)<br />
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==A serious Biblical matter==<br />
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Aschlafly wrote the essay [[Mystery:Did Jesus Write the Epistle to the Hebrews?]]. This wouldn't have been to problematic, but now he puts his outlandish idea into an article in the main space ([[Epistle to the Hebrews]]). First he wrote:<br />
{{cquote|&quot;The [[Epistle to the Hebrews]] is the nineteenth book of the [[New Testament]], and one of the greatest mysteries in all of intellectual history: the authorship of this brilliant work is unknown, and '''the most plausible theory is that Jesus himself wrote or dictated it.'''&quot;}}<br />
[[User:Iduan]] toned this down somewhat, so that we read at the moment:<br />
{{cquote|&quot;The [[Epistle to the Hebrews]] is the nineteenth book of the [[New Testament]], and one of the greatest mysteries in all of intellectual history: the authorship of this brilliant work is unknown, and '''one plausible theory is that Jesus himself wrote or dictated it'''.&quot;}}<br />
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I couldn't find any Biblical scholar who shares this idea, I couldn't find any authorative figure who promotes this - and this isn't much of a surprise if you read the epistle for yourself! The only &quot;scholar&quot; who has proposed this &quot;theory&quot; in the last 2000 years is Andrew Schlafly. <br />
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I tried to delete this sentence, and then I tried to make it clear that this idea is a personal insight by Andrew Schlafly. My edits were reverted: any reader of this encyclopedia gets the impression that this theory is something commonly known or well discussed. That's utterly untrue. <br />
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I tend to be quite strict on Biblical matters - I'm often accused of being nitpicky. As one of the sysops of Conservapedia who was active in 2012 I ask you to weigh in on this problem: maybe it is just me and most of the of you and your fellow sysops think that it is acceptable to present an insight of a single person '''in a Biblical matter''' (an insight shared by virtually no one) as a plausible theory. But - as the title of this section indicates - for me this is a very serious matter.<br />
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--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 19:26, 25 November 2012 (EST)<br />
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:If your purpose for marking it as Mr. Schlafly's idea is to discredit it, then you're barking up the wrong tree. Anyway, the page is just an essay, and the entire page is therefore pure Schlafly. What's wrong with that? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:37, 5 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:*''&quot;Anyway, the page is just an essay, and the entire page is therefore pure Schlafly. What's wrong with that? &quot;'' As I tried to convey with the phrase &quot;this wouldn't have been to problematic&quot;, there is nothing wrong with the essay [[Mystery:Did Jesus Write the Epistle to the Hebrews?]]. But I think it ''is'' problematic that the ''insight'' of the essay spills over into a page in the main space, i.e., [[Epistle to the Hebrews]], and becomes a ''fact'' during this process.<br />
:*''&quot;If your purpose for marking it as Mr. Schlafly's idea is to discredit it, then you're barking up the wrong tree.&quot;'' It's the other way round: stating the ''insight'' in an article in the main space without making it clear that the only source for this idea is Andrew Schlafly is lending it an improper credibility. If you read an unsourced, unmarked statement in an encyclopedia, the reader generally takes it as a kind of common knowledge, even more so if he is e.g., a high-school pupil.<br />
:--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 02:28, 6 December 2012 (EST)<br />
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Conservapedia is a mix of opinion and fact. Each is clearly marked. Talk pages are filled with unsourced claims, and we make very few efforts to police such talk.<br />
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If there is currently an unsourced, unmarked statement in an article that needs attention, please point it out to me. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:09, 12 December 2012 (EST)<br />
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:Thank you - if unsourced, unmarked statements are reintroduced into the article, I'll point them out to you! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 14:02, 12 December 2012 (EST)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Im new here and need some help. I figured I would go to you since you seem very involved in the community. I recently tried to instate an article about R*tional Wiki and suddenly it was deleted. I thought since we had an article about Wikipedia that we could write about wikis. I also noticed that it had been deleted several times by the same people. Why? The words are spam filtered to. I feel that we need to write about the faults and propaganda of this completely biased website. Not to mention they completely badmouth you in the most rude ways. Please help...--[[User:Colesmithsayshi|Colesmithsayshi]] 14:18, 31 December 2012 (EST)<br />
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== Mass Wedding ==<br />
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I was wanting to know what is the significance of mass weddings in the unification church ? I see your church has recently conducted it's first mass wedding since the very untimely death of the great Sun Myung Moo. [[User:Dvergne|Dvergne]] 10:05, 17 February 2013 (EST)<br />
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== Not sure how to respond to messages. ==<br />
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I am not sure how to answer the message you sent me. There does not seem to be a way to respond attached to the message you sent. Do I just respond in this open forum? Thanks.<br />
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== Math ==<br />
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Greetings, Ed. We haven't communicated in quite a while.<br />
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The reason I am writing is that I saw your recent [[Essay:Campaign_to_make_Conservapedia_unusable]]. I know that this has long been an issue, and that you and I have both put a lot of effort into making math/science articles accessible. I have one comment about it: ''Your audience for this essay is just yourself.'' All the people who made things inaccessible&amp;mdash;Foxtrot, Lemonpeel, Jaques, etc, are long gone. So, if you want the situation to improve, instead of writing an essay, you're just going to have to make the improvements yourself.<br />
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Actually, I'm not sure what articles you have in mind for your criticism. If it's all the topology stuff ([[Regular_space]], [[Sequentially_compact]], [[Hausdorff_space]], ...), you have my sympathy, and you will just have to delete them. No one will improve them. But I strongly advise you ''not'' to delete them. They aren't doing any harm, and no one reads them (except me :-). An encyclopedia is not judged by how esoteric its most esoteric articles are, but by how well its mainstream articles are written, and how well those mainstream articles cover the field. I think the mainstream math articles at Conservapedia, like integers, rational numbers, real numbers, and complex numbers, are pretty good.<br />
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Which brings me to my specific point. It isn't true that no one edits math articles any more. There was a small amount of activity on integers and natural numbers recently. Perhaps this is what led you to write the essay. I don't think there was anything over-the-top about the recent edits, and I think you sometimes over-react to things like this. I believe that the recent edits in that area were well-intentioned, and trying to do a good job.<br />
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Giving a really good definition of the integers or natural numbers, in the way that you and I would like, at the appropriate level but with real clarity, is ''impossible''. Saying &quot;evenly divisible by 1&quot; doesn't work, because the reader who doesn't know what an integer is will have no conception of what division is or what &quot;evenly divisible&quot; means. Saying &quot;has no fractional part&quot; doesn't work either. I can see what the author intended--numbers are things like &quot;3.7&quot;, and &quot;.7&quot; is the fractional part. So, having no fractional part means it is something like just 3. That's correct, but it relies on having an intuitive notion of real numbers, that is, things like 3 and 3.1 and 3.7 and 3.14159.... (Speaking of which, happy pi day!!!) Now most people have an intuitive feel for numbers with fractions well before they have to think about a formal definition of natural numbers. I know I did. That is, I knew about &quot;3&quot; in the context of &quot;3.7 without the .7&quot;, or &quot;the biggest markings on a ruler, rather than all the small ones.&quot;<br />
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So how do you write the article? You do the best you can, giving an imprecise defintion in terms of &quot;numbers that you count with&quot;, or something like that. (By the way, I really really liked your &quot;mathisfun&quot; web link explaining these things on an elementary level, and I used it (crediting you) in my article at Ameriwiki.) So the right thing is probably to define &quot;counting numbers&quot;, as in the web link, and accepting that that's the best you can do. Then address, very lightly, the issue of how that might be different from &quot;natural numbers&quot;, and whether zero is included, and so on. It's not worth making a big deal about. Just pick some definitions, and stick to them. Mention that maybe not everyone agrees. Don't worry about students getting a bad grade on an exam because of a nit-picking difference--people taking exams will presumably have attended a class and gotten the instructor's view on this, if the instructor thinks it's important. The way you addressed the issue in the natural number article is just right.<br />
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Yeah, the stuff about integers being &quot;the only integral domain whose positive elements are well ordered and in which order is preserved by addition&quot; is over the top. Either take it out or move it to the very bottom. Other than that, I think the natural number / integer articles are in pretty good shape.<br />
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One more thing: Don't be put off by the fancy &quot;N&quot; symbol. The people are not trying to show off. The symbols are cool, and the students will think so. When I was in junior high, I thought that the summation and integral symbols were really cool, long before I knew what they meant. Let the students see them.<br />
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And I still say that the Peano axioms would be a good thing to have at Conservapedia. Nowhere near as complicated as &quot;integral domain whose positive elements are well ordered&quot;, and really interesting for the target audience. You may copy my Peano article from Ameriwiki if you wish.<br />
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[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 23:34, 14 March 2013 (EDT)<br />
:I just wanted to add my thoughts as a math graduate student who has made several edits to our math articles. As someone who plans on becoming a professor, I think it is fundamental that, as an educational resource, Conservapedia has accessible (to the extent possible) math material. However, we are not limited in space like a print encyclopedia, so there is certainly room for us to have more in-depth coverage of math topics for more advanced scholars. It's not my intention to make Conservapedia unusable as an educational resource; if you think that my edits are not helpful, please feel free to discuss them with me. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 20:20, 15 March 2013 (EDT)<br />
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::You may have missed my point, which is that 99% of our readers are concerned with math that is below the college level. I want the majority of our editorial effort in math to focus on what these readers need. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:30, 17 March 2013 (EDT)<br />
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Ed: I take exception to your implication that I &quot;missed your point&quot; about the intended audience of CP, or how to write for it. Be assured that I absolutely, totally, utterly, and completely understand these issues. If you have any question about this, please see my articles on [[Limit (mathematics)]], [[Algebra]], [[Compass and straightedge]], and [[Cramer's rule]]. ''These are all topics that I studied in high school'', and I'm sure you did too. In particular, I put an enormous amount of work into the limit article.<br />
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In any case, this stuff is entirely in your hands now. If you have any problems with the math articles, you have the administrative power to delete any articles that you think are inappropriate, like the [[Kolmogorov space]] article. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 22:57, 4 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, thanks, brother wolf, for exposing your neck so meekly. But I have no desire to be top dog, if you'll excuse me for mixing metaphors. I'm glad you understand and work hard, and I hope you will help me make high school math (and below) accessible to the average reader - not just those in the top 1% like you and me. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:47, 5 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
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I must confess that I don't understand your metaphors very much -- brother wolf? exposing my neck? I'm pretty clueless about contemporary culture. But I know what &quot;top dog&quot; means. There's no doubt that you are a top dog, being an administrator. Also, I'm flattered to be considered in the top 1%, but, remember, there have been a lot of really sharp people here. So I'm not sure about being in the top 1%.<br />
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In any case, good luck, and have fun. And don't hesitate to delete stuff that you consider inappropriate. Really.<br />
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I'll come by and look around and say hello from time to time. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 22:50, 11 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
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== Carbon Dioxide ==<br />
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I have redone Brenden's edits in a number of different edits. I hope this helps you. [[User:Dvergne|Dvergne]] 07:01, 10 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
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:It did. See my subsequent edits. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 21:23, 12 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
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== Understanding Islam ==<br />
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Hi Ed, thanks for this entry: [[Islam and tolerance]]. I followed the reference link to the news story &quot;The Roots of Muslim rage&quot;, and read the article. I thought it was really interesting, and as I am trying to better understand their beliefs and attitude towards us, (those of Christian faith and in Western Nations) I wanted you to know this was helpful to me, thanks. [[User:Taj|Taj]] 18:36, 15 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
:I put the article up for deletion; please contest me on it's talk page. Thanks, [[User:Brenden|brenden]] 15:29, 5 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
::I remember posting this thank-you to Ed Poor almost 3 months ago for making the page, as he referenced a very interesting article in the footnotes that helped me to better understand the position of Muslims. I had been trying to gain a better understanding of their point of view, and I found it very helpful. I'm surprised to see it up for deletion, since I don't think &quot;one quote&quot; pages are undesirable, as they often lead me to think more about a subject matter. Sometimes a little quote can lead to learning more about a subject. Why not add a little more information rather than try to delete the page? [[User:Taj|Taj]] 14:32, 6 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
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== Reminder ==<br />
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Some of your newer articles need some categories. I don't really know much about subject matter so would probably be better if you do it. [[User:Dvergne|Dvergne]] 09:03, 16 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
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:Feel free to place any category at all, when I'm too rushed to do it. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:18, 16 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
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:: Normally I would, just not to familiar with some of subject matter. [[User:Dvergne|Dvergne]] 09:22, 16 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
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==Christian Chivalry==<br />
I redirected your article on [[Christian chivalry]] to the already existing page [[Chivalry]] since they're the same concept and the other page was already much more in-depth. Hope that was alright. [[User:Fnarrow|Fnarrow]] 11:20, 19 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
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:Did you complete the merge before reducing the page to a redirect? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:16, 19 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
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I'm not an admin, I don't think I can do a full merge like that... I figured since it was just a sentence and the sentiment of that sentence was already covered in the other article that the redirect would be sufficient... sorry. [[User:Fnarrow|Fnarrow]] 22:26, 19 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
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:If you did your best in good faith, then no apology is needed. :-)<br />
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:I'll take a look later on, and if I think that quote is relevant I'll tack it on to [[Chivalry]]. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:28, 19 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
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==[[Talk:Gun control#New Infographic]]==<br />
As you are one of the main contributors to the [[Gun control]] page, I'm writing here to ask you to follow the link I posted in the heading of this section and read the data I found. I think it could be very helpful to the article, but as I said there I'm far from an expert in interpreting that kind of data. Thanks, [[User:Fnarrow|Fnarrow]] 11:59, 20 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
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:I'm interested in describing both sides in the [[Firearms debate]]. I don't think we have to overemphasize one side. Put in anything you like. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:59, 20 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
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==fnarrow's reply to your terms==<br />
I'm just copy and pasting what he sent me, please don't shoot the messenger. <br />
&lt;blockquote&gt;[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]], I agree to your terms unequivocally and will do everything I can on the future to not allow my emotions to get the better of me in the future. That said, I just want to take a second to point out that 2 of the 6 examples you gave of my behavior, (4 and 5 I believe, i do not have the other page open as I type this email) were not posted by me but were part of a comment posted by another user in response to my comments. The other 4 I do not deny and I agree that they were out of line. To that end, I would like to point out that if you or [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] look at the final interaction between myself and [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] in the &quot;why complaints will go nowhere&quot; section of that same page, you will see that we had settled our differences peacefully. It wasn't until after that that i was banned for earlier statements made in the heat of the moment and out of exasperation regarding the situation at the time they were made. I do not contest the justice of the 1 day block, but when it was immediately followed by the infinite block before I had a chance to respond, apologize or anything else, that was when I felt I had been treated unfairly and asked my friend to join the site as a conduit for contact. (thanks again John!) While I therefore still think the infinite block was unwarranted, i do apologize for my actions and will not allow it to happen again. Thanks for your time and i look forward to helping the site grow from this point forward. --fnarrow<br />
&lt;/blockquote&gt; btw, I'm not 100# sure what a &quot;sock&quot; is, assure you that to my understanding of the term I am not one. I have neither the time nor the inclination to edit your wiki and only made this account at my friend's request since he had no other contact anyone here. [[User:JSandler|JSandler]] 22:35, 28 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
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:Karajou said I could unblock Fnarrow. I hope this turns out okay. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:29, 29 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
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Would you be able to restore Fnarrows user and talk page whilst your at it mate ? [[User:Dvergne|Dvergne]] 09:30, 29 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
:(this is [[User:fnarrow|fnarrow]], I'm using [[User:JSandler|John(jsandler)'s]] phone at the moment as my IP is still blocked even though my user page shows that I have been unblocked by [[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]]... Can that be fixed?) I wanted to thank everyone for helping me understand what happened and helping me get reinstated. I look forward to working with you all more in the future. Also, as [[User:Dvergne|Dvergne]] already posted, is it possible to have my user page and talk page content restored? Most of it can be deleted now that issues have been settled, but I'd like to recover other parts. Thanks again, [[User:fnarrow|fnarrow]] 14:00, 29 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
::Ed, yes I can post again, I had assumed you had unblocked me... but I guess not based upon your comment on my talk page. Anyway, can you restore the content which was deleted from my user page and talk page? I don't know how to do that... Also, since you're a very knowledgeable Conservative and I consider myself to be a fairly knowledgeable Libertarian I'd be willing to work with you on the [[Conservatives and libertarians]] page you created if you're still looking for someone to help with that project. Let me know. Thanks, [[User:Fnarrow|Fnarrow]] 00:12, 30 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
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I unblocked your username. Someone else seems to have unblocked your IP address; I don't know how to do that.<br />
I'll leave your user and talk pages as C left them - ask him if he wants them undeleted. I'm just unblocking you, in light of your promise to chill out and be more focused on articles. <br />
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Please start the [[Conservatives and libertarians]] page, and I'll join in. Thanks! --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:41, 30 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
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:I think we can do that although I am not good with wikis. From what i Understand, Libertarians are conservative when it comes to economics, gun ownership, small government, defence etc but are closer to liberals on other social issues. The way I understand it, libertarians believe the law should protect person and property, but go no further than that. I will do some research in the next few days, write a beta copy and forward to you for review/editing if thats ok<br />
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::Excellent, Patmac. I'll add that to the article. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:22, 30 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
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== Homosexuality article and General protection idea/proposal ==<br />
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The [[homosexuality]] article seems to be a bit broken. The table of contents is in the wrong position. Could you or another sysop please fix this ? Also I had an Idea re article protection. Would it be possible to protect some article so that only those users with '''edit''' and '''sysop''' rights edit them. This would allow those pages to be edited and improved by trusted and known users whilst stopping liberal trolls and thugs pushing their POV and vandalizing them. I think that something like this would help improve the quality and accuracy of the encyclopedia as it would allow for updates, improvements, tweaks and general formatting improvements to be made to our most popular articles [[User:Dvergne|Dvergne]] 10:45, 4 May 2013 (EDT)<br />
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:For questions about rights (which involve software tweaks), talk to Andy. I can always unprotect an article at least temporarily. But if you want a longterm solution, I'm the wrong man to ask. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:41, 4 May 2013 (EDT)<br />
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== Odysseus ==<br />
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*You should highlight quotes by including them in apostrophes: see [[Help:How to Code]] for a simple introduction - and follow [http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Odysseus&amp;diff=1052312&amp;oldid=1052300 this link] for an example.<br />
*If you include a link to a source just by using simple square brackets (like &lt;nowiki&gt;[http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/odysseus.htm]&lt;/nowiki&gt;), it appears only as a number (like &lt;nowiki&gt;[1]&lt;/nowiki&gt;) in the text, similar to footnotes. But unlike those, it isn't listed in the references. To get it listed there, you have to include your link into &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;ref&gt;...&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; - tags. (see [http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Odysseus&amp;diff=1052314&amp;oldid=1052313 this link] for an example)<br />
--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 04:31, 15 May 2013 (EDT)<br />
::Perhaps either AugustO or Ed Poor can help me, but other than on recent wikis where the quotation mark and the italic notation can be easily confused, I have never seen italic font used as a stand-alone indication of a block quotation. I have seen italic used for titles of books or for emphasis or for foreign language words, but not as a replacement for quotation marks. Any sources for this alternative would be appreciated. Thanks, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 10:56, 15 May 2013 (EDT)<br />
:A very good question! Conservapedia states in its [[Conservapedia:Formatting conventions]]:<br />
::''Italic sections of text are usually used to portion off a portion of text, indicating it is integral to the sentence without being part of its continuation. ''<br />
:But while wikipedia don't like when you put quotes in italics <br />
::''For quotations, use only quotation marks (for short quotations) or block quoting (for long ones), not italics. (See Quotations below.) This means that (1) a quotation is not italicized inside quotation marks or a block quote just because it is a quotation, and (2) italics are no substitute for proper quotation formatting. ''<br />
:Conservapedia doesn't address the matters (as far as I could see). Instead, Conservapedia offer some templates which try to do the job.<br />
:*&lt;nowiki&gt;{{Quote}} or {{Q}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;<br />
{{Q|the Greek hero who spent ten years fighting his way home, spurning wealth, fame, and the promise of immortality to reclaim his family.}}<br />
:This template expects an author, so it can't be used in our special case:<br />
{{Q|the Greek hero who spent ten years fighting his way home, spurning wealth, fame, and the promise of immortality to reclaim his family.|John Taylor Gatto}}<br />
:Note how the text gets italicized, and is included in quotation marks: but this template is only used eleven times on this wiki. <br />
:*&lt;nowiki&gt;{{Quote box}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;<br />
{{Quote box|the Greek hero who spent ten years fighting his way home, spurning wealth, fame, and the promise of immortality to reclaim his family.}}<br />
:*&lt;nowiki&gt;{{Quotebox}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;<br />
{{Quotebox|the Greek hero who spent ten years fighting his way home, spurning wealth, fame, and the promise of immortality to reclaim his family.}}<br />
:*&lt;nowiki&gt;{{Quotebox2}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;<br />
{{QuoteBox2|quote=the Greek hero who spent ten years fighting his way home, spurning wealth, fame, and the promise of immortality to reclaim his family.|source=John Taylor Gatto}}<br />
:''QuoteBox2'' is used ten times on Conservapedia, ''Quotebox'' 422 times, ''Quote box'' only 1 time. Clearly they aren't very popular.<br />
:*&lt;nowiki&gt;{{Cquote}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;<br />
{{Cquote|the Greek hero who spent ten years fighting his way home, spurning wealth, fame, and the promise of immortality to reclaim his family.}}<br />
:This is the most popular version, used over 1500 times. <br />
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:#The main feature of a quotation are - surprise, surprise - the quotation marks. Especially for short quotes, they shouldn't be omitted. I haven't used them regularly in the past (see the first quotations in this section), but I'll do so henceforth.<br />
:#Conservapedia is mute on the use of italics to mark a quote. But perhaps we should follow wikipedia's lead and just don't do so<br />
:#Indenting via ::: alone is not enough to mark a section as a long quote, at least &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt; .. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; should be used - this indents the quote from the left and the right margin. A longer quotation should use one of the templates - best probably &lt;nowiki&gt;{{cquote}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;. <br />
:Any thoughts? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 11:50, 15 May 2013 (EDT)<br />
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::My thought is that the last time we discussed a formatting issue, I tried to throw my weight around, and it didn't end on a cheerful note. So why don't I just follow whatever you recommend? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 21:24, 15 May 2013 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks to both of you. I just want to say that I have never, ever thought of italics as conveying the limits of a quotation. I always assumed that someone had put a printout of wiki-marked up text into an OCR scanner and it just got confused between double apostrophes and a quote mark. I agree with your bottom line. Thanks [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 21:40, 15 May 2013 (EDT)<br />
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== Neutral third party's viewpoint sought ==<br />
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Hi Ed. I'd like to get your views on the discussion between another user and me that took place on my talk page. It looks as if you recently blocked him over another matter. I think he just tried to bully me for no good reason, but I'd like to hear what a senior admin thinks. Thanks for weighing in if you get the chance. [[User:DanAP|DanAP]] 00:14, 18 May 2013 (EDT)<br />
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Ed, I believe RontheDon and Bamorris9 are parodists--[[User:Patmac|Patmac]] 11:52, 20 May 2013 (EDT)<br />
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I started that article. It's a topic that you have, on several occasions (remember the &quot;wff N proof&quot; game?) expressed an interest in. I urge you to fill it out. Though I have a degree in mathematics, I do not know how to explain this topic at a high-school level, and I do not write about topics that I can't explain at a high-school level.<br />
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I also notice no activity on any &quot;sciency&quot; (STEM?) stuff over the last few months, from you or anyone else. Have you lost interest? I hope not. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 21:00, 1 June 2013 (EDT)<br />
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Hi can you please help me to expand the article [[Susan E. Rice]]--[[User:JoeyJ|JoeyJ]] 11:29, 6 June 2013 (EDT)<br />
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:I dont know how to put in a Officeholder-template. Can you please do it. Here are all informations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rice --[[User:JoeyJ|JoeyJ]] 13:32, 11 June 2013 (EDT)<br />
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It should read [[Edward Snowden]]. That was my mistake. I might even have heard someone else mispronounce that.--[[User:TerryH|TerryH]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TerryH|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:04, 12 June 2013 (EDT)<br />
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Hi can you please uploud this picture: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%D0%90.%D0%93.%D0%9B%D1%83%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%88%D1%8D%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%B0_(%D0%B2%D1%8B%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%BA%D0%B0).jpeg ? Thanks--[[User:JoeyJ|JoeyJ]] 09:18, 23 June 2013 (EDT)<br />
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:For the [[Belarus]] article? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:13, 23 June 2013 (EDT)<br />
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:No for the [[Alexander Lukashenko]]-article please.--[[User:JoeyJ|JoeyJ]] 10:50, 23 June 2013 (EDT)<br />
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I guess you mean [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/95/%D0%90.%D0%93.%D0%9B%D1%83%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%88%D1%8D%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%B0_%28%D0%B2%D1%8B%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%BA%D0%B0%29.jpeg this picture.] --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:13, 24 June 2013 (EDT)<br />
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:yes and please uploud a picture of [[Nicolas Maduro]]. Like [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Canciller_de_Venezuela_y_Ofrenda_Floral_a_Bol%C3%ADvar_%284%29.jpg this] here--[[User:JoeyJ|JoeyJ]] 11:25, 24 June 2013 (EDT)<br />
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:When will you uploud them?--[[User:JoeyJ|JoeyJ]] 08:55, 3 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
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You're welcome! - [[User:Markman|Markman]] 12:09, 17 August 2013 (EDT)<br />
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== Flags and Coat of Arms ==<br />
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Please uploud the flags and the coat of arms of the following countries: [[Guinea-Bissau]], [[Republic of China]], [[Benin]], [[Saint Lucia]], [[Saint Vincent and the Grenadines]], [[Ireland]] and [[Fiji]]. I already asked Karajou but he did´nt answered.--07:59, 21 August 2013 (EDT)<br />
:Please uploud them.--[[User:JoeyJ|JoeyJ]] 08:42, 28 August 2013 (EDT)<br />
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== quick reminder ==<br />
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Just a quick reminder. Please put category tags on your new articles. I would also try to have internal links to them from related articles (within articles or the &quot;see also&quot; sections. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 17:04, 30 August 2013 (EDT)<br />
::Your [[John Mighton]] and [[Learning styles]] articles need category tags and so do some of your most recent articles. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 17:11, 30 August 2013 (EDT)<br />
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*[http://www.learning-styles-online.com/overview/ Overview of Learning Styles]<br />
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<div>The '''Kushan Empire''' was a relatively short-lived empire that controlled a vast area from the eastern shores of the [[Caspian Sea]] across the north and east of modern [[Iran]], [[Afghanistan]], [[Pakistan]] and much of the [[Ganges River|Ganges]] valley in northern [[India]]. From the last years of the first century A.D. to its disintegration in the first half of the 3rd, it controlled all the land trade routes between the [[Mediterranean]], then under the [[Roman]]s - at the height of their power - and [[China]]. <br />
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The Kushans were an [[Indo-European]] people, part of the central [[Asia]]n Tokhari confederation of tribes, and moved into the then Hellenistic lands of [[Bactria]] in northern Iran in the century before Christ. They found themselves up against the [[Parthia|Parthians]], and turned towards the more lucrative east. By the second half of the 2nd century A.D. they were in India, which was to become their cultural base.<br />
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They did not last long. Like the Parthians. they were defeated by the [[Sassanians]], who were to rule most of south-west Asia from the first half of the 3rd century for the next 400 years.<br />
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<div>'''International relations''', considered as an academic field of study or as a [[public policy]] field, is concerned with relationships between countries.<br />
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== Writing Plan ==<br />
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Hello Mr. Poor,<br />
I would like to submit a writing plan. While I haven't been asked for one, I feel this would best help keep me on task and contribute the most productively. You seem to know an awful lot about this wiki stuff, and I'm still new at it, so if you could help me that would be great.<br />
I think I'd first like to help contribute to the various book articles around the site by adding in examples of the influence of Christianity, as a lot of books have Christian overtones that aren't currently listed. I'm thinking I'd like to start by drawing parallels between the story of Jesus in the Gospels with One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Please let me know if this would be acceptable.--[[User:JeremiahJ|JeremiahJ]] 18:10, 6 January 2011 (EST)<br />
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:Probably not. Please email me a draft. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:02, 17 January 2011 (EST)<br />
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== Request ==<br />
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Hello Mr. Poor, I have submitted a request [[Talk:Atheism#Addition_of_Information_on_Charity_and_External_Links_Request|here]] but it was never attended to. Could you please have a look at it? Thanks, [[User:Anupam|Anupam]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Anupam|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:19, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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== Image Upload Request ==<br />
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Hello Ed Poor, I hope this message finds you doing well. I was wondering if you could upload [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Young_Galaxy_Accreting_Material.jpg this image] for use in the article I recently created. I look forward to hearing your response. Thanks, [[User:Anupam|Anupam]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Anupam|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:32, 7 March 2011 (EST)<br />
:Hello Ed Poor, could you please add [[Atheism and the suppression of science]] to [[Template:Nb Atheism|this template]]? I really appreciate it! With regards, [[User:Anupam|Anupam]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Anupam|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:14, 7 March 2011 (EST)<br />
::Hello Ed Poor, I need two more images for the article I created which are available [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Independent_assortment_%26_segregation.svg here] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:John_Lennox.jpg here]. Recently, [[User:JMR10]] uploaded my previous one, for which I am thankful. Could you ask him to do the same for these two or could you please do these for me? I highly appreciate it. Thanks, [[User:Anupam|Anupam]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Anupam|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:40, 7 March 2011 (EST)<br />
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== I seem to have messed up the Ada article ==<br />
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My proxy keeps dropping stuff, so the picture at the top is busted. Also, I had to cut down the reference, because the captcha can't make it through. It should have a left bracket, and h,t,t,p, etc., and a right bracket after the &quot;pdf&quot;. I wonder if you could please fix it for me. I will contact Andy about getting my IP range restored.<br />
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What I was going to put in the talk page (and will do once things get straightened out) is that the two cited articles are very shallow, having only 7 and 3 sentences, respectively. They both refer to a &quot;plan&quot;, but that's because the word &quot;program&quot; hadn't been coined in the computer context. She really was the first person to write &quot;code&quot;.<br />
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I'm sorry about this. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 00:08, 5 April 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:I read her notes, and it doesn't look like a [[computer program]] to me. A charitable view might be that it's a [[specification|spec]], but there's no flowchart and no [[source code]]. Don't be sorry, just get it right. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:21, 5 April 2011 (EDT)<br />
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What did you expect this &quot;source code&quot; to look like? The term &quot;source code&quot; implies both a programming language and &quot;machine code&quot; that the source code is assembled or compiled into. Assemblers, compilers, and programming languages wouldn't be invented for another hundred years (by Grace Murray Hopper, John Backus, and others.) The same goes for the other accoutrements of modern software development, like flow charts and specifications. In fact, even the terms &quot;software&quot; and &quot;program&quot; hadn't been invented.<br />
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Furthermore, assuming that you accept that she had to write &quot;machine code&quot;, what would you expect machine code to look like for a machine that reads its instructions with rods poking through holes in large punched cards running around on a track, and does its arithmetic by counting teeth on turning gears? It wouldn't look much like Intel 586 code.<br />
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The fact is, the lines of Ada's written algorithm were intended to be punched into lines of holes in Babbage's cards, once the &quot;analytical engine&quot; was built, which it wasn't.<br />
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By the way, what I was being &quot;sorry&quot; for was not the content of my edit, but the fact that an extremely buggy proxy messed up the article and wouldn't let me fix it, despite several tries. Andy has been working with me to fix the network problems, and DMorris fixed the broken picture and hyperlink while my access was broken. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 20:39, 6 April 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:Then it would be more accurate to say that she described an algorithm. That's not the same as a computer program, even if she was hoping that Babbage's machine might be programmed to carry out the algorithm.<br />
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:An encyclopedia should be precise and unbiased, not used to create &quot;factoids&quot; for use in publicity campaigns, such as promoting [[women in science]]. <br />
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:I don't say she had to write machine code, but rather to be the &quot;first programmer&quot; she would have had to produce a [[computer program]]. If you have seen it, please show it to me. Otherwise, I'm going to make an editorial decision that she produced an algorithm rather than a program. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:18, 7 April 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:*Let's say that [[Ada Lovelace]] wrote one of the first comprehensive descriptions of an algorithm to generate [[Bernoulli numbers]]. But until I see the actual sequence of instructions, including [[if-then]] or [[loop control]] statements, I'd hesitate to call it an actual [[computer program]]. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:17, 17 May 2011 (EDT)<br />
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==The anti-Semitism of liberals==<br />
I love how libs reveal their true selves. No matter what we say or do in describing them, they come here just to confirm it all. So when they want to emphasize &quot;Jew&quot; in &quot;karajou&quot;, I'll be more then happy to get a gold Magen David to wear around my neck, join my brothers and sisters in the synagogue every week, and show everyone else just how hate-filled and intolerant these liberals really are. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 14:20, 12 April 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Please help! ==<br />
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Hi! I tried to add the information for Edo to the Tokyo article and for some reason,. it stripped a bunch of stuff out when I saved. Now when I try and revert the edit I made, I keep getting a internal server 500 error. Please can you revert for me? [[User:TracyS|TracyS]] 10:19, 14 April 2011 (EDT)<br />
:It's ok, I fixed it! [[User:TracyS|TracyS]] 10:30, 14 April 2011 (EDT)<br />
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::I'm glad it worked out for you. My Japanese name is &quot;Edo&quot;. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:04, 14 April 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Nice speed on reverts ==<br />
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You beat me to every one! Nicely done--&lt;small&gt;[[User:Iduan|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000&quot;&gt;I]][[User_talk:Iduan|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033&quot;&gt;Duan]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/small&gt; 20:05, 24 April 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks. I'll pass that on to my secret bot. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:10, 24 April 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Thanks for noticing me ==<br />
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I must be doing something right. Every time I mention alternate viewpoints, and no one sees fit to revert my edits, I get vandalism to my talk page. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:48, 10 June 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Jeb Bush ==<br />
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I'm trying to reorganize the information, not leave it out. If you notice, I'm working on the article quite a bit. May I please revert your revision? [[User:SharonW|SharonW]] 15:05, 14 June 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:Sure. I'm frequently too bold and hasty. And that's the wonderful thing about a wiki. Nothing is ever really deleted; it's all in the article history. Go for it! --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:09, 14 June 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Technical question ==<br />
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I'm lobbying for a separate namespace for the Conservapedia Bible Project. The idea is that each verse gets its own ''article'', which can be used rather as a template. I see a couple of advantages:<br />
*verses can be quoted more easily: instead of copying the whole verse, only a short link (like &lt;nowiki&gt;{{:CBP:John 20:8}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; ) is neccessary to get a neat result: &lt;nowiki&gt;{{:CBP:John 20:8}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;<br />
*thereby, the use of the CBP is encouraged over other translations.<br />
*if there is a change in the CBP, the afflicted verses don't have to be tracked down manually, but the change is applied automatically throughout the wiki.<br />
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To accomplish this, a new namespace has to be created. That shouldn't be too difficult, as there are only a few exemplary pages prefixed with ''CBP:'' at this moment.<br />
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But after this, the namespace has to be filled with the existing translated verses. My question: is your bot up to this task?<br />
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== madonna ==<br />
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Hi, please strongly reconsider your desire to create a &quot;kinder article.&quot; In stating that madonna is a person who has changed to being more spiritual you are buying to the liberal media's lies. It sounds like a madonna fan attempting to weave their bias in, which of course you are not. I think you may want to do more research, and read my recent additions as she is still, if not more so, a wicked and hateful person who has sucked millions of children into raunchy culture, dated murderers and mocked our Lord Jesus Christ who gave his life for us. Madonna deserves only the truth.[[User:Legolas2186|Legolas2186]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Legolas2186|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:14, 14 July 2011 (EST)<br />
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:And I just had a long conversation with some Wikipedians in Central Park last month, about whether CP is more neutral than WP. Now you want &quot;conservative bias&quot; to denounce [[Madonna Ciccone]]? Not even Wikipedia's BLP policy would allow that. <br />
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:I wonder whether you are a liberal '''tempting me''' to add bias, just so you can accuse us of being biased. Well, if so, I choose not to cooperate, my dear elf. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:45, 14 July 2011 (EDT)<br />
::I think Legolas here might be a parodist. Would you mind looking into him? [[User:NickP|NickP]] 00:12, 15 July 2011 (EDT)<br />
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Ed, your compassion sounds a little misplaced to me. Do you also visit the Fred Phelps, Bernie Madoff, Ted Bundy, and Charles Manson pages asking people for some &quot;Christian charity&quot; to tone those down too? Look into me all you want please. I dislike Madonna because she has mocked our lord Jesus Christ. Conservative people have respect for Christ end of story. The reason society has degraded is by giving raunchy people like madonna a free pass and pity. I'm the one who wants to print the ACTUAL history of madonna that the liberal media has left out such her dating the felon Chris Paciello. I only want the truth about her in the article. Why is that so bad? I thought this was the one place that might allow the truth.[[User:Legolas2186|Legolas2186]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Legolas2186|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:34, 17 July 2011 (EST)<br />
:Ed, can you please look into this guy? He is an obvious parodist. [[User:NickP|NickP]] 15:55, 17 July 2011 (EDT)<br />
First of all - Ed is a senior sysop at this site - I don't know why a few of you have taken upon yourself to post on [[User talk:Aschlafly|Andy's talk page]] when Ed is more than capable of dealing with an alleged parodist on his own. Secondly, just because he is posting radical things on a talk page does not make him a parodist. Looking at his contributions, you ''could'' argue that he is edit warring, but since Ed is simultaneously the user in the revert war and an admin, it is up to his judgement as to whether or not a block is deserving. Your collective alarmism has now spread across three talk pages. That's enough.--&lt;small&gt;[[User:Iduan|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000&quot;&gt;I]][[User_talk:Iduan|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033&quot;&gt;Duan]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/small&gt; 16:00, 17 July 2011 (EDT)<br />
::@NickP, your very.... quick to call somebody else a parodist. Why not leave that to the pro.'s to decide?--[[User:SeanS|SeanS]] 16:06, 17 July 2011 (EDT)<br />
:::Several others have also pointed out the fact that he acts very suspicious. [[User:NickP|NickP]] 16:13, 17 July 2011 (EDT)<br />
::::Saying he &quot;acts suspicious&quot; and saying he's a 100% no way im wrong about this Parodist is two completely different things.--[[User:SeanS|SeanS]] 16:16, 17 July 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:::::I prefer what Wikipedia old-timers used to call &quot;soft security&quot;. Just help me fix the articles in question. Everything will sort itself out. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:34, 17 July 2011 (EDT)<br />
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==EdBot==<br />
Ed, I left three (actually six) problem Categories that need some sort of merging at [[User_talk:EdBot]]. Thanks. [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 15:56, 18 July 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:Sorry, EdBot did not survive the MediaWiki upgrades. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:21, 18 July 2011 (EDT)<br />
::Does that mean it's all got to be done manually? Moving 200 entries into another Category?<br />
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:::Only if they really have to be moved. (Meanwhile, if anyone has an idea how a bot can &quot;log in&quot; with the new MediaWiki software, let me know.) --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:33, 18 July 2011 (EDT)<br />
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::::[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Creating_a_bot#Logging_in This] should help. Indeed, the whole [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Creating_a_bot page] is quite interesting. [[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 09:40, 19 July 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== A request concerning recent events ==<br />
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Hi Ed,<br />
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I'm very sorry to come to you with this, but I honestly don't know where else to turn at this point. You have always struck me as the voice of reason and level-headedness here.<br />
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Simply put: the current altercation on Andy's talk page is out of control. I recognize that I have no authority to tell sysops what they should or shouldn't do, but it seems to me that basic common courtesy calls for not filling up Andy's talk page with arguments and accusations. Moreover, the very public nature of the dispute is encouraging other users to join in. Some of them are doubtless sincere; others, I suspect, may in fact be parodists seeking to fan the flames (I notice a LOT of recently created accounts.) <br />
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Regardless, the fact remains that Andy's talk page has been turned into a general forum for accusations and arguments. At this point, it's degenerated to the level where people are making absolutely vicious personal attacks against certain of the participants. (Kudos to JamesWilson for promptly reverting the most egregious of these.)<br />
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You know the other sysops better than most of us; you talk to them; I would certainly hope they trust and respect your opinion. Is there anything you can do to persuade them to take a step back, cool down, and wait for Andy to respond at this point? Everyone involved has made their positions clear; further acrimony can serve no useful purpose.<br />
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I'm sorry to trouble you with this, but I really feel that this is both inconsiderate to Andy and deleterious to the Conservapedia project as a whole.<br />
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--[[User:Benp|Benp]] 13:05, 28 July 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for the vote of confidence, but shouldn't I check with Andy before barging in? It may be that he prefers to let everyone air their opinions. It is not just his courage but his wisdom and compassion that attracted me to this project. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:59, 5 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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==[[User:MRellek]]==<br />
Ed, per the site owner, Administrators [http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia:Guidelines&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=892763 &quot;instructions...are to be followed&quot;] is no longer operable. I have emailed you a copy of Mr. Schlafly's approval. [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 13:32, 6 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:Oh, sorry. I was hasty. Feel free to unban MRellek, if you feel I was out of line. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:32, 6 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
::Thank you, Ed. I'm trying to get the other sysops to do more warnings &amp; shorter blocks; let's get a sense of community here. After all, we've known many of these editors (the RW neighbors) for several years now. [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 15:37, 6 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Please let me know if you want to serve on a blocking policy refinement panel ==<br />
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Please let me know if you want to serve on a blocking policy refinement panel. I invited someone to edit Conservapedia and they were blocked and they should not have been. I got the block overturned. So I think there is room for improvement in Conservapedia's blocking policy. You can sign up [[User:Conservative/Sysops who want to serve on a blocking policy refinement panel|HERE]]. I invited active Syops/Admins plus people with blocking rights who might wish to be Sysops. If I left anyone out, please let them know about the panel. The people with blocking rights can sign up [[User talk:Conservative/Sysops who want to serve on a blocking policy refinement panel|HERE]]. The panel will probably convene when Iduan is back from his summer vacation or fairly soon afterwards. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:47, 13 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:I think I got signed up somehow, after jumping into a discussion. <br />
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:Can we have non-sysops on the panel? I'd like to invite a friend from Wikipedia to join it. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:00, 16 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== If I understand correctly, you are the local math expert. ==<br />
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If so, maybe you can take a look at [[Relativistic mass|this]] and some of that editor's other contributions. They seem pretty obscure/specialized for the general reader, to me, at least. Thanks! [[User:MrMorganH|MrMorganH]] 10:15, 14 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:Not an expert, but I know a lot about high school math. Andy's brother knows much more than I do. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:55, 16 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Revert ==<br />
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Good morning (afternoon?) Ed, why was my comment reverted? I can't see why it should be? [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 17:54, 16 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:Gosh, you're quick on the trigger. See your talk page for my response. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:58, 16 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
::I am indeed quick on the trigger, I like Westerns you see..:-) I have responded to you on my talk-page and re asked the question in a more cordial manner. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 17:59, 16 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== The Conservapedia Blocking policy refinement panel proceedings have begun ==<br />
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The panel proceeding have begun here: [[Conservapedia:Blocking policy refinement panel proceedings]] You can start making your edits to the page should you wish to do so. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 12:59, 17 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Farewell ==<br />
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Ed, in all sincerity you are by far the most interesting person I have met at Conservapedia. I regret that we couldn't get along better, though we did manage to improve a number of things. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 23:12, 18 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:We'd have gotten along better if we more goals in common. Building a trustworthy encyclopedia apparently was not one of them.<br />
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:In [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Aschlafly&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=893745 this drive by attack] you dodged my request for specific instances of the problem you complained of. (Note: saying &quot;all of them&quot; is a a typical liberal dodge. That's like global warming alarmists saying, &quot;Just look at the temperature record; the evidence is all there.&quot;<br />
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:For those listening in to this fascinating drama, the difference between real science and liberal junk science is that real scientists provide examples of what they're talking about, so that anyone can check it out and see for themselves. Liberals and other pseudoscientists '''pretend''' that they've already made the point.<br />
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:It reminds me of Japan, which always (1) says that it &quot;already apologized&quot; for the [[comfort women]] episode while steadfastly (2) refusing ever to admit that it did anything wrong. They are hoping we'll all be too polite to mention that #1 contradicts #2. <br />
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:Nice try on the parting shot, but your pretense of trying oh so hard fools no one. You're always welcome to come back if you '''ever''' choose to help this project instead of undermining it with trickery. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:41, 19 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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==Pontiac==<br />
Hi Ed, thanks for your help archiving my page. I know you are very experienced with Wikis, but I was wondering why you removed what I wrote about the government shut down of Pontiac destroying American history. A lot of people were really upset about Pontiac's closure and there are lots of websites and articles proving this, why can't it be in the article? I will differ to your judgement because you are so experienced, but just want to understand your reasoning. --[[User:CraigF|CraigF]] 22:46, 19 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:It can't be in the article until you find a way to make it trustworthy. Use references. You can't just write stuff off the top of your head, because you are not an established author. You are in fact an anonymous person, and we don't even know whether Craig is your real name. <br />
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:If there's a lot of proof for your assertion, be sure to provide references, like:<br />
:*The New York Times reported that after GM was taken over by the government, brands like Saturn and Pontiac were sold or eliminated (link and/or date)<br />
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:If you need help formatting references, lots of people here can help. But '''you''' must supply them. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:43, 20 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
==Pictures==<br />
Hi Ed, how do I add pictures? --[[User:CraigF|CraigF]] 16:08, 20 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:You can't add pictures, until you've made enough useful contributions to earn upload rights. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 21:34, 20 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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::In addition, Craig, you can use [[Conservapedia:Image upload requests]] until you earn uploading privileges. A Sysop will do it for you.--[[User:JamesWilson|JamesWilson]] 21:59, 20 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
:::Ok, I'll work even harder to earn my rights! I also wanted to apologize for being so familiar, my mom pointed out that I should be calling you Mr. Poor. I always call adults by their last names in real life, but on the internet I usually forget. Also thanks Mr. Wilson for your advice about upload requests. --[[User:CraigF|CraigF]] 13:24, 21 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
::::No worries. I wouldn't mind if you called me James or Jim, but I'm glad your mother has taught you well. Also, you will need a lot more work to earn uploading privileges, just so you know. Happy editing in the meantime!--[[User:JamesWilson|JamesWilson]] 14:21, 21 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Edit conflict ==<br />
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Just got edit conflicted by you on the Morse code page - what are the odds we'd both be working on it! [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 17:19, 24 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:One thought leads to another ... not such long odds. Sorry about stepping on your work. Feel free to revert, and I'll recover later. :-) --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:22, 24 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
::Its all OK, I added my work to your version. Great minds think alike, more like an average mind in my case but you catch my drift...:-) [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 17:24, 24 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== signature ==<br />
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I hope you don't mind, but I borrowed the format of your signature to use for my own. It's simple and to the point, but looks nice as well, so I thought I would use it as well. Thank you! [[User:KevinDavis|KevinDavis]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:KevinDavis|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:02, 27 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:I copied mine from someone else, so &quot;[[Pay It Forward]].&quot; --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 21:27, 27 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
::Oh, ok. Thanks for letting me know! [[User:KevinDavis|KevinDavis]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:KevinDavis|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:23, 28 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== like wikipedia? ==<br />
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i looked up [[milk]] and [[butter]] how is this conserivtive? is it like wikipedia at all what can i add? ty. --[[User:Rainbowboiz|Rainbowboiz]] 00:35, 28 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:Not unless your spelling improves. And we are not so much &quot;conservative&quot; as [[trustworthy]]. Unlike Wikipedia, we really do try to avoid political bias. Add anything that is correct and useful. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:17, 28 August 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Meat Loaf ==<br />
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I know his stage name is much better known (I'm writing the article on him, obviously), but wouldn't you think using the subject's real name is more appropriate for an encyclopedia? If you think the article should be titled under his stage name, you're the boss, but I thought I might want to point that out. Thanks!--[[User:JamesWilson|JamesWilson]] 11:14, 1 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Barack Obama's Muslim Heritage ==<br />
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Please help me as I am fairly new to this wiki. I have attempted to propose a discussion for deletion on this particular page. Before disccussing this, I have followed the instructions on templates via the help index [[http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Articles_for_deletion]] to add it to a discussion for deletion but this does not seem to work so I have not proceded further - with hindsight I should have guessed there was something wrong by the lack of entries on this page. <br />
My reason for wishing to commence this discussion is that I suspect the article (created by a user who does not appear to have an active talk page) seems to me to be parody and trolling to debase the credibility of this project. In my opinion, most of the logic followed in nearly every assertion is spurious and often uses blatant synthesis that a ten year old could question. It is to such an extent that I don't think an &quot;improved&quot; version would be posible. Of course, others may have different oppinions which is why I am trying to be fair and open it for rational discussion. What is the correct procedure? Thank you in advance - answer to my talk page [[User:DavidMilton|DavidMilton]] 19:54, 7 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:I'm not sure what the correct procedure is. Maybe you could post on the talk page, showing a few examples of &quot;spurious&quot; assertions. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:46, 7 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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::Ok I can do this, but I'm surprised that hte Help feature supplies a redundant page on discoussing articles for deletion. I was also under the impression that you had Sysop/Admin powers and would be familiar with such policies as it is a feature on other wikis. [[User:DavidMilton|DavidMilton]] 13:31, 8 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:::Actually I know policy fairly well and do have Sysop/Admin powers. Either provide the requested examples, or drop the matter. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:47, 10 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Sid 3050 ==<br />
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Sid 3050 was blocked for three month for ''trolling''. The only edit he made during the day before his block seems to be to answer to your question in a section above (''So, will it go away if you ignore it?'') - see his [[Special:Contributions/Sid 3050|list of contributions]]. You had personally addressed this comment (''But I'll take a look at Sid's material below now, just to be a good sport.''), so you should be able to judge whether such a comment is ''trolling''. Could you please review Sid's block? In a timely fashion? Thanks, [[User:RonLar|RonLar]] 09:17, 15 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:Sid was trolling. Whether this justifies a three month block is up to the admin in question. <br />
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:I'm always open to suggestions for making Conservapedia more trustworthy. If you have anything specific in mind, please speak up.<br />
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:Of particular interest to me would be any material relating to the contrast between conservative and liberal viewpoints on American political issues, as well as philosophy, religion and science. To my regret, repeated invitations to include users who are ideological opponents of this project have not met with an enthusiastic response. It's almost as if they wish to conceal their ideological differences; ironically, this could be seen as self-censorship. <br />
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:If anyone wants to describe liberal POV here they may, provided only that it is clearly labeled as such - not presented as gospel. This should not be an onerous requirement: it's the same as Wikipedia's NPOV policy. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:42, 15 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Vandalism ==<br />
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Help! A user called CortA is currently vandalising articles. --[[User:SamCoulter|SamCoulter]] 13:15, 15 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:OK, Andy blocked him. --[[User:SamCoulter|SamCoulter]] 13:17, 15 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Misled by RonLar ==<br />
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I was quite astonished by your last actions. I slept over it and want to clarify my earlier remark.<br />
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*I'd appreciate if you would be less generous with your slight innuendos (''&quot;thanks for nothing!&quot;'', ''&quot;misled by RonLar&quot;''): these make it difficult to assume ''good faith'' on your side. And they have the annoying tendency to backfire...<br />
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*my statement ''&quot;Where is the right place to propose an alternative viewpoint? Surely not in the article itself, but on its talk-page. This is a simple necessity for all protected articles, but a good idea for most of those articles some sysops feel strongly about.&quot;'' is hardly misleading - even though it is not written by a native speaker! In fact, it is echoing the sentiments of Conservapedia's [[Conservapedia:Editing etiquette|editing etiquettes]]:<br />
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:::* '''You should discuss changes made by an Administrator before reverting their edits. Administrators are charged with seeing that article content is in line with Conservapedia guidelines. [[Edit war]]ring with an Administrator usually results in a temporary block.'''<br />
:::* '''You should not alter the editorial content of an article away from a [[conservative]], or [[Christian]], or [[family friendly]] &quot;tone&quot; without discussing proposed changes on the talk page.'''<br />
:::*'''Never make substantial edits to an article without discussing your changes first on the talk page. If you have a reasonable expectation that other editors will accept your change(s), the changes are just formatting / copy editing, you should proceed.'''<br />
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*Inserting an alternative viewpoint is most certainly a ''substantial edit'' - and the etiquettes advise you to discuss such an edit at first on the talk-page.<br />
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*So, I made a true statement, in accordance with Conservapedia's policy on editing, and you '''misread''' it. To reiterate: You weren't '''misled''', you simply '''misread''' it. And this misunderstanding (of your part) you took as a reason to erase the whole section and seemingly not to read the rest of my comment? Deleting a section on censorship is always a little bit ironic... <br />
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*BTW: whether the article is protected or not is not of any interest for the discussion of censorship! A library does not only censor the books it throws from it shelves, but the books it doesn't allow into it shelves in the first place!<br />
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*I put the whole section up [[User:RonLar|here]], so you can read it carefully again. Take your time, but nevertheless, react timely - you said that would be important....<br />
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[[User:RonLar|RonLar]] 12:05, 16 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
:At this point, I think it's become abundantly clear that complaining about censorship will get you nowhere. I realize users will come up and be frustrated by certain site traditions, but that's just the way Conservapedia is run, RonLar.--[[User:CamilleT|CamilleT]] 13:41, 16 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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::Sorry, I thought you were saying the article was protected. <br />
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::Also, I'm astonished to think that you consider adding alternative viewpoints to be something that has to be '''cleared''' with a sysop first. My understanding of project policy is that all contributors are free to describe non-conservative, non-Christian views ... especially on an article describing a controversy between the two sides. <br />
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::Has someone told you you can't describe the liberal or secular viewpoint on some topic? (Or did you try to sneak in such a viewpoint without proper attribution)? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <br />
&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:38, 16 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:::*Apology accepted. Perhaps you could revert your reaction to this misunderstanding by reintroducing the section which you erased from your talk-page?<br />
:::*Please read [[User:RonLar#Again, the previous example of ideological censorship, in detail]] - all of it, not only the first sentence. This should answer some of your questions.<br />
:::*Please address the incident which I mentioned there.<br />
:::[[User:RonLar|RonLar]] 16:56, 16 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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::::Eh? I thought you wanted help. Please answer my question: Has someone told you you can't describe the liberal or secular viewpoint on some topic? (Or did you try to sneak in such a viewpoint without proper attribution)? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:39, 17 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:::::How is it a sensible use of my time to answer new questions when you seem to ignore my answers to your old ones? Please remember your statements:<br />
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:::::Well, you find it here: [[User:RonLar#Again.2C_the_previous_example_of_ideological_censorship.2C_in_detail]] Of course I am willing to answer any question concerning this specific example of censorship, especially those which indicate that you read the whole comment.<br />
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:::::Thanks, [[User:RonLar|RonLar]] 02:41, 18 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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Nearly two weeks later: Did you take a look? Or even better, did you read the whole thing? [[User:RonLar|RonLar]] 18:17, 1 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Anti-Clancy cracks? ==<br />
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In general I'm a Clancy fan but I think some of the criticism you removed was valid. For example by the time he wrote &quot;The Bear and the Dragon&quot; his standards of research had perceptibly dropped (The AH-64 has a 20mm gun? Really?) and &quot;Red Rabbit&quot; and &quot;The Teeth of the Tiger&quot; were frankly rubbish. Maybe some of the criticisms should stay? --[[User:SamCoulter|SamCoulter]] 23:09, 17 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:Anything can stay if properly sourced: X said Y about Z. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:10, 17 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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::What would be an acceptable source? I have all Clancy's books; would they be acceptable sources for pointing out declining standards of technical accuracy? --[[User:SamCoulter|SamCoulter]] 23:20, 17 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:::LOL, '''your''' interpretation of Clancy's writings would be (what is called at Wikipedia) original research. If you don't know what I meant by 'properly sourced', then you're unqualified to contribute anything further to this project. If you do know, you're just toying with me. Godspeed. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:23, 17 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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::::Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear enough. What I'd do is reference both Clancy's books and technical sources that contradict them, such as the fact that the AH-64 does NOT have a 20mm gun. Like I said I'm generally a Clancy fan - &quot;Without Remorse&quot; may just be the best thriller ever written - but his last few books have been a bit disappointing and his research has definitely slipped. --[[User:SamCoulter|SamCoulter]] 23:28, 17 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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::::What I would propose is to remove the comments about &quot;The sum of all fears&quot; - a nuclear weapon could be built with a table saw and a small lathe, never mind optical milling equipment - but keep and expand on the comment about the declining level of technical accuracy. The divergence of the Ryanverse from reality isn't important because it IS fiction, but the declining level of research and tendency towards unrealistic assessments of real-world capabilities IS important. For example &quot;The Bear and the Dragon&quot; is utterly unrealistic even in the Ryanverse. If China invaded Russia they'd get about ten feet over the border before being annihilated. The fortifitions on the Sino-Russian border make the Maginot line look like a sand castle on the beach, and they were actually designed by strategic thinkers. --[[User:SamCoulter|SamCoulter]] 23:44, 17 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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On second thought, maybe I'm being too hard on you. I recently started tutoring schoolchildren, and I'm learning to be more patient with their quaint notions. After all, making wrong guesses and getting them corrected is often the best way to learn. Shall I not condescend to grant you the same grace? ;-)<br />
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I've read all Tom Clancy's [[Jack Ryan]] and [[John Clark]] novels. I always assumed that any discrepancies were inserted on purpose; Clancy certainly would have no reason to put correct information on how to make a suitcase-sized nuclear bomb in his books: what conservative would want to inspire a copycat crime? <br />
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If you want to include &quot;criticism&quot; by some published author who says an attack helicopter does or does not have a certain sized gun, go ahead. He's also not very accurate about the software used in the stock market, although it was a key plot element in ''[[Debt of Honor]]''. (Come to think of it, if a man knew everything and wanted to make money betting on horse races, he would know not to put all his winnings on the next race (&quot;[[John Doe]]&quot; TV series pilot). --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:56, 24 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Language ==<br />
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[http://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Big_Bang_theory Language like this] makes me extremely uncomfortable: &quot;when grownups talk&quot;, &quot;woman's logic is strange, don't you think&quot;, etc. (especially this in his earlier statements: &quot;and being educated briefly by my grandpa in matters &quot;of faith&quot;, mostly about &quot;Catholic errors&quot;, and the absolute need to be trufhful, my concern was that the Catholics are wrong on one more point since the Big Bang was proven wrong in 1985&quot;)<br />
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First, I am not a woman. My identity is very well known and I am quite easy to find. Ottava means eight, and Ottava Rima means Eight Rhyme, a type of rhyming pattern used in Italian epic poetry. Second, his language is condescending, misogynistic, religiously bigoted, etc. Third, his claims about the Big Bang Theory are rather strange, conspiratorial, and nothing I have ever heard by any legitimate scientist. I cannot honestly believe that he is a real conservative but I believe he is a plant just like many of the people who vandalize. His job is to produce some of the most absurd stuff to try and make conservatives look awful. If I am wrong, I am wrong, but his language does not seem like something that is appropriate. I talked to Geoff Plourde about this quite a bit tonight because it bothered me a lot. [[User:Ottava|Ottava]] ([[user talk:Ottava|talk]]) 22:44, 18 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Um ==<br />
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[[Atheism and obesity]] - is this a joke? It seems to be just a list of fat atheists. It even has random tidbits like &quot;Chuck Norris endorses the Total Gym exercise system.[59]&quot; I know many priests who are overweight, and many religious people who are. I know many atheists who are ultra thing and anorexic. <br />
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&quot;Christian and Library of Congress researcher's explanations of reports of UFOs &quot; How would that even deal with atheism and obesity? Yet it is in there. <br />
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The page looks like it was created to make Conservapedia and conservatism look really bad. Sigh. [[User:Ottava|Ottava]] ([[user talk:Ottava|talk]]) 22:58, 18 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:User:Conservative is good at attracting readership to this website. The [[Atheism and obesity]] seems to me a bit of payback for the liberals who call Rush Limbaugh a big, fat idiot. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:57, 24 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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::And in his payback, he demeans everyone who is overweight, including myself. I've dealt with mean-spirited behavior from people about weight the majority of my life - there is no acceptable reason for being hostile about the issue. --[[User:SharonW|SharonW]] 16:53, 24 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== You were looking for ideological censorship? ==<br />
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[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Bestiality&amp;curid=88619&amp;diff=920267&amp;oldid=920266 easy to find] --[[User:DrDean|DrDean]] 23:52, 23 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:Not as easy as you say. See [[Talk:Bestiality]]. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:44, 24 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Senior Admin assistance ==<br />
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Hi Ed, I would like to bring something to your attention as a senior administrator. I have been in private communication with User:SamCoulter over the last few weeks. There is nothing in his attitude and comments to me in private and his behaviour here on Conservapedia to suggest this user is anything but sincere. He was recently blocked for the edit [http://conservapedia.com/Special:Contributions/SamCoulter here] (the last edit he made - I will not link directly to it because the topics are extremely offensive and not family friendly). For this effort he was blocked for three months. His edit was a) relevant b) correct according to the article linked and c) was a link which was on the front page already. It seems that some users wanted to quote the article without implying the articles conclusions as they were at loggerheads with a users personal opinion. I don't think the user should have been blocked but now he is I won't remove it but I do believe that 3 months is extremely heavy-handed. I don't want to create controversy so I will not chnage the block myself but I am bringing this up with you and User:Karajou also (I am unable to contact the blocking sysop). Thank you. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 20:11, 25 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
:::Keep him blocked. He vandalized twice. In fact, I am going to increase the time blocked. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:02, 25 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
::::Do you have evidence of this vandalism? [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 21:04, 25 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
:::::If you want to defend those recent contributions be my guest. If you want to wrangle with me about them, it is not going to happen. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:09, 25 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
::::::I tell you now '''there was no vandalism''' you are blocking a user for adding sourced and factual material. You are blocking him for no reason! [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 21:09, 25 September 2011 (EDT)<br />
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Sorry, but it's actually very easy to avoid a block. I suggest you start coaching new users about courtesy, project goals, etc. <br />
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I myself disagree with the project goals of RW, but they haven't given me any long blocks. Why? Because I follow their rules in their house.<br />
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Adolescents often have trouble figuring out what the rules are, or trouble realizing the benefits of following them. (In the long run, civil disobedience campaigns against beneficial institutions such as Democracy and Free Markets simply backfire.) --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:52, 2 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:I respectfully disagree with you. It's incredibly ''easy'' to get blocked on this site, because honestly, it appears to depend on the whim of the blocking editor (doesn't like what's being said because it's contrary to the blocking editor's opinion, got up on the wrong side of the bed, had a fight with someone in real life and are taking it out on editors here at CP.) You yourself just handed out an ''infinite'' block for ''defending'' someone.<br />
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:Many editors, myself included, have protested User:Conservative's articles and his method of defending them. If anyone objects, he automatically deems them an atheist/evolutionist, etc., which at least in my case, is far from the truth. I object to several things. First, his use of &quot;obese&quot; as a ''ad hominem'' attack against people whose ideas he disagrees with. I've dealt with bullying behavior about weight most of my life, and have tried to point out to him how hurtful his taunts are, but he thinks it's amusing, and the other sysops here (yourself included) appear to agree. I'm all for a good discussion about ''ideas'', but when the attacks become personal, and all-inclusive, then yes, I'm going to protest.<br />
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:Second, most of the articles are just ''badly, badly written''. They meander ''miles'' away from the original topic, they tend to be a bunch of quotes lumped together, and in many of them, the point that he's trying to make is missed completely. The actual subjects might be valid, and important enough to warrent an article on them, but creating 10 articles that say the same thing, and that can (and should) be consolidated into one, '''''well-researched and well-written document''''', is just poor scholarship. --[[User:SharonW|SharonW]] 12:53, 2 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
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::Well, thank you for not giving me an excuse to block you! ;-) Very well written . . .<br />
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::As I've said elsewhere, [http://ameriwiki.wikkii.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ed_Poor&amp;diff=4073&amp;oldid=4071] I disagree with the stance of &quot;the admin&quot; who is making ''[[ad hominem]]'' attacks on atheists; I think it's a misguided attempt to attract readership.<br />
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::If anyone's had a '''good''' edit reverted for a bad reason, they can just let me know. Just remember: if anyone is criticizing to condemn, I'm not interested, but if they want me to change things, I'm the man who can do it. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:03, 2 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== BrentH's block ==<br />
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I see you blocked BrentH for trolling and reverted 2 of his edits. He linked [[Professor]] to an existing article here on CP, [[Professor values]]. Why was that trolling? --[[User:SharonW|SharonW]] 19:55, 1 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
:Perhaps prior edits?--[[User:SeanS|SeanS]] 20:01, 1 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
::User: Ed Poor did not appreciate the section right above this one--[[User:CamilleT|CamilleT]] 21:14, 1 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
:::BrentH made a perfectly reasonable and respectful suggestion. It would appear from the edit history that he was referring to an article about Winona Ryder, created by Ed Poor, which contained one piece of trivia but no basic information regarding the person whatsoever. What BrentH said is simply common sense, and I too cannot see how this can justify a block. [[User:DavidZa|DavidZa]] 22:45, 1 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
::::Indeed, certain longstanding members of this community seem to have rather thin skin. I did not see BrentH's post as offensive or out of line--[[User:CamilleT|CamilleT]] 22:54, 1 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== This is an encyclopedia. ==<br />
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You wrote that on my talkpage. ''This is an encyclopedia.''. Well, if it is articles like [[bestiality and Britain]] ahould be deleted because, as I have pointed out numerous times, it has nothing to do with bestiality and Britain. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 16:27, 2 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:Article deleted. [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&amp;type=delete&amp;user=Ed+Poor&amp;page=&amp;year=&amp;month=-1&amp;hide_patrol_log=1]<br />
::Hey thanks Ed. Just for the record though I wasn't &quot;bothered&quot; by the content so much as bothered by the ''lack'' of content. As the commandments say - everything must be true and verifiable which that article clearly wasn't. Many thanks. I must admit - I have a lot of respect for you and karajou. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 16:54, 2 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
:::Ed, evolution was birthed in Britain and secularism has grown rampant in their country. Now their society is a mess and there is rioting in the streets. In addition, the'' Guardian'' just published a puff piece on bestiality. I say enough is enough and it's time their moral rot is exposed. I realize that pointing out that folly and consequences of atheism/evolutionism annoys liberals, but so what. Not only are they grossly and obviously in error, but atheists/evolutionists have shown themselves [[Atheism and cowardice|to be timid little bunnies]]. I restored the article because I feel confident that Conservapedia can stand up to foolish and timid little bunnies. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 17:21, 2 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
::::Enough with the insults conservative. I am neither a liberal nor an atheist and am sick to death of you accusing me of such. The article has nothing, I repeat '''nothing''' about the practice in Britain. I say again '''nothing'''. You poor scholarship is on show and we can ''all'' see it. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 19:02, 2 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
::::::Ed, a Brit was trying to bring over his deviant farming practices to the United States as can be seen [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/7600523/British-man-51-arrested-at-bestiality-farm.html HERE]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 20:28, 2 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::You misread the article, Conservative. The Oregon farm is owned by an American. The British man was visiting it. Read [http://www.examiner.com/headlines-in-seattle/seattle-convicted-cocaine-smuggler-arrested-likely-into-bestiality-liking-sex-with-animals here] for a version of the story that makes who owned the farm clearer. <br />
[[File:Keldaby goats.jpg|thumbnail|200px|right|An exclusive British art gallery was criticised for displaying a highly offensive bestiality oriented painting which featured a [[goat]] just yards from The Ritz hotel and where it could be seen by children.- The Daily Mail online (MailOnline), August 5, 2011 ''The explicit art that shows bestiality with a goat just yards from The Ritz'']]<br />
::::::::There is no way I'd let children any where this site with Conservatives despicable articles all over the place. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 20:54, 2 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::::Max, I heard Oregon was pretty liberal. It figures the farm was in Oregon. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:30, 2 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
::::::::::::I heard that most states are pretty liberal... But that doesn't make the rumors true. [[User:JonG|~ ]][[User_talk:JonG|JonG]][[Special:Contributions/JonG| ~]] 22:34, 2 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
Oregon voted for Obama plus fairly recently they had the most atheists per capita in the United States. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:57, 2 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
:Omaha, Nebraska also voted for obama but calling it liberal is very silly--[[User:SeanS|SeanS]] 22:58, 2 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
[http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/25/new-poll-identifies-most-liberal-and-conservative-states/ Oregon is liberal] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 23:07, 2 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
:I'm slightly confused as to why it's relevant or not that Oregon is liberal. After all the state DOES have a law against bestiality, so that argues against liberals being tolerant of it. --[[User:ColSharp|ColSharp]] 08:33, 3 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
::Since when do liberals obey the laws on the books in the first place? This photo [http://www.conservapedia.com/File:1915b7ec753fa9d0352885dc23da4469.jpg] is proof that liberals have no intention of obeying laws regarding littering. They trashed Washington D.C. ''when they got their way'', January 20, 2009. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 09:10, 3 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
:::There's a law in New Jersey about recycling, yet I know several conservatives who refuse to recycle. Why is this? [[User:JonG|~ ]][[User_talk:JonG|JonG]][[Special:Contributions/JonG| ~]] 13:26, 3 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Request for Admin assistance ==<br />
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To all senior admins and sysops. I am being repeatedly abused by user:conservative who, among other things, accuses me continuously of being an atheist simply because I point out some of the holes in his articles. See [http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&amp;curid=113357&amp;diff=924642&amp;oldid=924636 here for the latest accusation]. I have asked him numerous times to desist with his sneering name calling as I find it offensive to have my faith questioned and nothing is ever done. He state’s I am atheist because I don’t agree with some of his ridiculous contentions. In actual fact it isn’t even that I disagree with him it is that I point out his shoddy research, poor scholarship and his berating, insulting and sarcastic behaviour towards others. I am of the opinion now that he is purposely calling me names because he knows I don’t like it which is unchristian, impolite and, above all, insulting. Is anyone going to teach this man some manners? Has Conservapedia become a place where Conservative is allowed to behave this way without any warning or comeuppance but all other editors and warned and blocked for minor infractions. He is in continual violation of the commandments yet NOTHING is done whereas people like myself are always watching out to avoid being banned. Well, fine, ban me if you like. I probably will be after this posting and no doubt Conservative will cackle with glee at “winning” again. But laugh Conservative, you win nothing. I post this is full knowledge that I might be blocked banned and insulted by you in my absence and I have always remained polite and civil plus I can hold my head up high. Hopefully one of you will take a stand and insist on standards of civility. But I don’t hold out much hope. Thanks, many of you were kind, decent people whom I enjoyed working with and I pray for you. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 19:21, 5 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
:I am disappointed in you most of all Ed. Coming from wikipedia and being the first to jump on others for incivility you ignore when it comes to the ruling chaste of Conservapedia. You should be ashamed. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 17:48, 12 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
:::Max, I think you assume entirely too much about my dispositions. You really don't know what extent I &quot;cackle&quot; or if I &quot;cackle&quot; at all. You also don't know what value I place on &quot;winning&quot;. In fact, you don't even know if I am one person or a team. I/we remain inscrutable. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:24, 12 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
::::User:Conservative, this is getting silly. You wrote for instance:<br />
::::::''Actually KhalidM, I have a very outgoing personality and a university professor friend of mine told me that I would make a great administrator because I can be very diplomatic. While I realize that I will never cultivate a large atheist or liberal fan club, I can live with that. Conservative 20:34, 5 October 2011 (EDT) ''<br />
::::So, while your grammatical gender may be undetermined, your number isn't. [[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 15:44, 13 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== King George I ==<br />
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The article of [[King George I]] was deleted as a ''creation of vandals''. On the talk page I read the comment of User:RJJense: ''I added much new text, all of which I wrote, and previously posted on Citizendium.'' I looked up the article at Citizendium and it seemed to be quite informative - certainly not vandalistic! Could it be restored? I'd like to insert a valid link into [[elector]]s.<br />
[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 15:57, 13 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
:::I restored the last version by RJJense. I feel confident that his last version was a good article. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:34, 13 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks - it really seems so! [[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 16:57, 13 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
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==&quot;New Ordeal&quot;==<br />
Hello, I noticed that you placed the quotation marks around the term &quot;New Ordeal.&quot; As you have probably noticed I have been attempting to fix that article. Quite frankly, the article is pretty bad to start with and several of the references that prior authors cited have nothing to do with the topic. Do you know if there is procedure in which this article may be recommended for deletion? --[[User:Padams|Padams]] 15:33, 15 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:Better to mark it as an essay. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:31, 19 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Block of AugustO ==<br />
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I looked at [[Conservapedia:Editor's_guide#If_you_get_blocked]]:<br />
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''If you get blocked, it's probably because you (1) broke the rules and (2) ignored hints, requests and/or warnings. So the first thing you should do is review your communications with others here, particularly those who are admins. Have you been trying to get along by following our practices and supporting our goals, or have you been trying to change our ways? If you are new here, it's best to go along to get along. After you have contributed a lot, we'll be more likely to listen to your suggestions, but breaking the rules will just end up with eliminating you from the project. ''<br />
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::*I can't think of any rule which I broke<br />
::*I was requested to ''to do some charitable work somewhere instead''. I'm already engaged in such work, so this doesn't apply...<br />
::*I don't try to ''change our ways''. I try to correct factual errors (e.g., ιδού can be translated as ''at this moment'' or that it is right to call ''Carolus Martellus'' the grandson of ''Carolus Magnus''.)<br />
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''Perhaps upon reflection you may realize that you'd rather be part of the project than insist on your own way. You might want to apologize and get unblocked. ''<br />
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::*I don't insist on my own way and I apologize if anyone feels insulted by my criticism.<br />
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''If you want to discuss your block, '''do not create a new account'''. Rather, use one of the following methods to appeal the decision (listed in order of preference). ''<br />
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::*Here, I obviously failed. <br />
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1. ''Contact the person who blocked you (see below).<br />
::*tried<br />
2. ''If you get no reply after a reasonable amount of time, you may contact any Administrator.<br />
::*tried<br />
3. ''Email cpwebmaster@conservapedia.com giving the name of the Administrator or editor who blocked you, and the date, and it will be forwarded on to them. <br />
::*tried<br />
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''If you contact more than one person about this, please do them the courtesy of letting them know who else you have tried contacting. ''<br />
::*This should be obvious from the header of my emails.<br />
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''Contacting an Administrator or editor can usually be done by one of the following methods: ''<br />
*''Use the &quot;Email this user&quot; link in the toolbox. This, however, will only work if both you and the Administrator or editor have enabled this on your/their respective accounts.<br />
*''The Administrator or editor may have provided an email address or other contact information (e.g. AIM) on their user page. <br />
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::*This section seems to be obsolete: ''email this user'' doesn't work for any of the administrators I tried to reach. And I couldn't get Ed Poor's email address via his user page. So we are in a [[Catch 22]] kind of situation...<br />
::*I emailed to &lt;code&gt;aschlafy@aol.com&lt;/code&gt;, &lt;code&gt;conservapedia@zoho.com&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;cpwebmaster@conservapedia.com&lt;/code&gt;. I didn't get any reply (is 1-2 days a ''reasonable amount of time'' to wait? I thinks so...) to my short email which stated: ''I understand that my criticisms of CBP and the World History Lectures are quite unwelcome, but they are hardly trolling! I'd appreciate if you lift my block.''<br />
::*So I decided to create a new account to appeal the block, hoping that the advice against this action is as obsolete as other sections of the ''editor's guide''.<br />
[[User:ErnestO|ErnestO]] 07:56, 26 October 2011 (EDT) (AugustO)<br />
:::August, I think you should start a career in sales. You certainly have the persistence to be a good salesman. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 09:47, 26 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
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Ed Poor, the block of AugustO is now more than a week old. I tried to reach you via various channels - could you please lift the block as the stated reason (&quot;trolling&quot;) doesn't apply? [[User:ErnestO|ErnestO]] 11:09, 31 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:Please get a [[writing plan]] from him and get it to me, and I'll consider it. Meanwhile, any sysop is free to unblock him. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 21:01, 31 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
::Is that any official Sysop, or anyone with Block rights? I'd be happy to unblock Mr O so that he can post his writing plan.--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 10:25, 1 November 2011 (EDT)<br />
:::On second thoughts, perhaps I'll just go ahead. Please reverse my action if I'm overstepping the mark.--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 10:33, 1 November 2011 (EDT)<br />
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*Thanks for the unblock!<br />
*I read the article on the [[writing plan]], and I'll try to provide you with one. This would be easier if a ''sample plan'' were provided. But nonetheless, here it is:<br />
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Mainly I'm interested in the CBP. Mind you, I'm not ''Junker Jörg'', I'm not capable to create a translation on my own which stands for hundreds of years. But I think that translating the Bible in a group, and extensively discussing your work is a marvelous way to get a greater insight into the ''Book of books''. While doing so, I try to dig into what Conservative calls the ''ANE culture'', as you can see [[Talk:John_1-7_(Translated)#Issue_with_translation_of_John_4:53|here]], where I try to shed light on timekeeping during the Roman empire.<br />
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When I came here, I thought that there would be a group of likewise interested individuals, but at the moment there seems to be only one other editor with similar interests.<br />
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As my approach to the CBP generates quite a few edits on talk-pages, I balance these with edits to articles. These tend to by connected somehow with my namesakes (August of Saxony, Ernest August of Hanover), the history - or just happen on pages where I read something which puzzled me :-)<br />
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[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 09:21, 8 November 2011 (EST)<br />
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== Abortion issue ==<br />
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It would be a great idea to merge the articles. In fact, if you were interested in expanding the article, I might be interested in helping.--[[User:JamesWilson|James Wilson]] 14:28, 29 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
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:Yes, please help me organize this. We should give prominence to conservative views, but let's steer away from censoring liberal views. It would be nice if liberals could see '''why''' conservatives believe differently. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:43, 29 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
::OK!--[[User:JamesWilson|James Wilson]] 14:48, 29 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
::I merged the articles and added a bit on abortion and political ideology. How is it?--[[User:JamesWilson|James Wilson]] 21:53, 31 October 2011 (EDT)<br />
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==Thanks for the change but==<br />
perhaps it should be bed bugs (plural), and now when i make an edit and it goes thru, if i try to make another one i get &quot;Someone else has changed this page since you started editing it&quot; but no one has. Going back to page and trying anew results in the same. 3.1: longetivity should be longevity. <br />
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Jesus is Lord, thanks[[User:Daniel1212|Daniel1212]] 07:58, 5 November 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Blocking policy improvement panel member - please give your feedback here ==<br />
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Blocking policy improvement panel member - please give your feedback [http://conservapedia.com/User_talk:Aschlafly#Panel_members.2C_please_give_your_feedback_below HERE]<br />
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Your assistance would be much appreciated. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:05, 16 November 2011 (EST)<br />
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:I have explained my ideas in private email to you and Andy. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:50, 11 December 2011 (EST)<br />
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== a few messages to you ==<br />
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There are a few messages to you here: http://conservapedia.com/Talk:Air_superiority [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:14, 26 May 2012 (EDT)<br />
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== Thanks ==<br />
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Thanks for picking up some of my &quot;wiki litter&quot; that I left behind (redirects to non-existent pages). I will try to be more diligent as far as not littering in the future. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:22, 11 June 2012 (EDT)<br />
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:You're welcome. And don't bother yourself: it's better for you to focus your time on building the wiki, while less talented contributors like myself do the routine housekeeping. <br />
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:If I had your writing skill, I'd be making whole article like you do. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:34, 12 June 2012 (EDT)<br />
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== A message to you from Cipe ==<br />
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Fixing a MediaWiki message: <br />
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Hello,<br />
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Could you perform the edit I described [http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Aschlafly&amp;oldid=992864#Edit_request here, on very bottom of the page]? I asked Aschlafly but he's probably busy now.<br />
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Best [[User:Cipe|Cipe]] 15:33, 13 July 2012 (EDT)<br />
::I know the basics of Wiki coding and not the advanced level coding. I would ask someone else. Try Ed Poor. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:32, 13 July 2012 (EDT)<br />
:::Unfortunately, I cannot edit Ed's talk page. Could you suggest someone different? Or message him?<br />
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:::The change is rather small and requires only copy-and-paste. More directly: you can copy contents of this: [[User:Cipe/MW_fix]] to: [[MediaWiki:Revision-info]]. Even if my suggestion is wrong, it can be reverted, so there is no danger. [[User:Cipe|Cipe]] 16:41, 13 July 2012 (EDT)<br />
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Okay, I did it. But where can I see the results? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:53, 13 July 2012 (EDT)<br />
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Thank you very much. You'll see it when checking older revision. Here is an example: [http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Barack_Hussein_Obama&amp;oldid=991546].<br />
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I noticed that MediaWiki has a different message when you're checking current revision. I'll prepare fix in a moment. [[User:Cipe|Cipe]] 17:55, 13 July 2012 (EDT)<br />
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:The message seems to have logged me out. I think it needs fixing. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:56, 13 July 2012 (EDT)<br />
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::I also got logged out, but only once. I can consistently see the new message now. Perhaps the software logs out when a edit to MediaWiki is made. Could you please copy [[User:Cipe/MW fix 2]] to [[MediaWiki:Revision-info-current]]? I promise it's the last change :) It is shown for a permalink to current revision. [[User:Cipe|Cipe]] 18:08, 13 July 2012 (EDT)<br />
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:::I don't think that's it. I think you need to put the '''www.''' in front of '''www.conservapedia.com''' --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:09, 13 July 2012 (EDT)<br />
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::::It seems to work. I can see the messages: [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Barack_Hussein_Obama&amp;oldid=991546 for past revisions] and [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Barack_Hussein_Obama&amp;oldid=992065 for current revision]. Thanks for changing. [[User:Cipe|Cipe]] 18:19, 13 July 2012 (EDT)<br />
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== Thank you for unlocking your talk page ==<br />
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I really appreciate being able to get in contact with you directly when the circumstances arise. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 18:39, 13 July 2012 (EDT)<br />
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== Thank you ==<br />
Now he can try to justify what he said about the article. [[User:Davidspencer|Davidspencer]] 14:29, 14 July 2012 (EDT)<br />
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== File:GoreFireBreathing.jpg ==<br />
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Do you think it would be appropriate to use this image in the [[Current TV]] article? It's already in Gore's main article, so why not include it in the article about his obscure TV network on channel 9800 on my TV? --[[User:JamesWilson|James Wilson]] 20:35, 15 July 2012 (EDT)<br />
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== apology. ==<br />
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Hey, I just wanted to apologise for the comments I made related to you, they were impolite and unnecessary. I don't have anything against you or anything, I just posted something that I thought was relevent without thinking how it would be taken by anyone other than myself, as it happened they were rude and quite personal. I acknowledge that I behaved quite badly, and in future I will try to avoid giving you, or others, offense. So..... virtual handshake?[[User:Cmurphynz|Cmurphynz]] 06:18, 18 July 2012 (EDT)<br />
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:Oh, don't be so dramatic. Just comment on the articles and issues of the day, and forget about personalities. That's how this project's supposed to run. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 21:33, 18 July 2012 (EDT)<br />
::lol. Nah it's difficult to tell over the internet how people are reacting, so for all I knew you could have been quite insulted or something, and I had to make sure that I was being very clear. Anyway, cool[[User:Cmurphynz|Cmurphynz]] 01:03, 19 July 2012 (EDT)<br />
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:::I'm not sure you get it: We don't want personal remarks on this wiki, clear or not. You need to be clear only about one thing: what you intend to write about an article topic. You must not comment on other users in any way. Is '''that''' clear? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:01, 20 July 2012 (EDT)<br />
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== On Personal Attacks ==<br />
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Dear Mr. Poor,<br />
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As someone who has been the subject of personal comments (see [http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&amp;diff=987753&amp;oldid=987715], [http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&amp;diff=987827&amp;oldid=987777], [http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&amp;diff=987956&amp;oldid=987955], [http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Aschlafly&amp;diff=990739&amp;oldid=990566]), I would like to share my opinion on Conservapedia's policy on personal attacks.<br />
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I think it is very appropriate to make '''relevant''' comments on editing and other wiki behavior to determine what the best practices are with regards to editing and other actions and, if necessary, to instruct users who may not know better about such practices. For example, I have informed two administrators about redacting the automatically-generated deletion log entry to remove sensitive material. I have also asked one administrator to include source information in that user's uploaded images, requests with which this user has complied. Likewise, if someone has a habit of posting comments on talk pages without signing them, it is appropriate to inform them of how to sign posts. Further, if someone is about to violate 90/10, a warning is definitely appropriate. None of these have to do with the real-life '''personality''' that these editors, many of whom are brothers and sisters in Christ, have; these comments focus on on-wiki '''behavior'''.<br />
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Further, I think that if someone is going to make a statement regarding real-life facts or Conservapedia's commandments, policies, and best practices, it is appropriate to debate this statement '''without going into personality details'''. Such debate may very well include Socratic or rhetorical questioning as a argumentative device.<br />
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Of course, Mr. Schlafly is the owner of the site, so he has the final say in this, but I'm sure he would agree with what I have written. Although attacks on another editor's real-life personality should generally be removed, I do not see the need to remove good-faith debate and discussion over user '''behavior''' at Conservapedia.<br />
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Thank you for reading this. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 12:36, 21 July 2012 (EDT)<br />
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:Yeah, thanks, Greg. If I err on the side of &quot;absolutely nothing about the person&quot; to an absurd point, please continue to help me out. I'm mainly opposed to comments like, &quot;You're a jerk&quot; or &quot;I don't have to follow the rules.&quot; <br />
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:Nothing wrong with '''friendly''' personal comments, like, &quot;Thanks for pointing out that a rigid, absolutist enforcement of the rules may not be wise.&quot; --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:01, 22 July 2012 (EDT)<br />
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== Hey Ed ==<br />
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I saw your Arbcom case over at Wikipedia just today looking through for cases of bias there. :) Wikipedia's - nuts, huh? Lol. I ran into the Obama bias team over there in Scjessey, Wikidemon, and company, back in late 2009. It's become so hopelessly biased by now you've just got to laugh. They know they're keeping all controversy out of the Obama page and how biased they are, and don't care. Well, all my facts are at Conservapedia's services now. :) Anyway, just saying it's nice to see another ex-Wikipedian here I guess - hope we get some more! :) --[[User:Jzyehoshua|Jzyehoshua]] 01:15, 22 July 2012 (EDT)<br />
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==Tehpwn3r==<br />
'User names based on your real name or initials are '''preferred'''' does not state that you will be blocked. [[User:Conservative|Also]].--[[User:Wishnaka|Wishnaka]] 19:51, 25 August 2012 (EDT)<br />
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*Inappropriate user name. It has been a general principle that one's user name be &quot;based on one's real first name and last initial&quot;, though there are a number of reasons why that is not always practical. The point is that we don't like the kind of foolish &quot;handles&quot; that are often used in various blogs and social web sites. If you run afoul of this by accident, you will be asked to create a new account, and doing so will not be considered sockpuppetry. Of course, some user names are essentially just vandalism, and are treated that way.<br />
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== Randall7 ==<br />
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If you don't object, I suggest shortening his block to maybe 3 days. His remark, while rude and impertinent, did have some substance, and a hard block doesn't serve to do anything but cause more unhappiness. Thanks for considering,<br />
[[User:Brenden|brenden]] 20:48, 25 August 2012 (EDT)<br />
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:If you unblock him, you're responsible. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:54, 25 August 2012 (EDT)<br />
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::I recommend keeping the week. And don't &gt; dont. --[[User:JamesWilson|James Wilson]] 21:01, 25 August 2012 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks for pointing out the typo.[[User:Brenden|brenden]] 23:35, 25 August 2012 (EDT)<br />
==Michael Baumgartner==<br />
Dear Mr. Poor,<br />
Please do a careful side-by-side comparison of [[Michael Baumgartner]] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_Baumgartner&amp;oldid=509330054 the Wikipedia article]. I did a google search on &quot;Michael Baumgartner&quot; and came up with a number of sources including the Wikipedia article. I took notes from all of the sources, and wrote a new article based on my notes. I honestly believe that the article uses a different set of sources, covers ideas in a different order, and covers the topic differently than Wikipedia. Please take another look, and if you agree, please restore [[Michael Baumgartner]]. Thanks, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 14:05, 27 August 2012 (EDT)<br />
*I understand the workload you face. Could you please look at the article and reconsider? [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 14:51, 27 August 2012 (EDT)<br />
*:Already restored in good faith; I trust you, and I'm not going to compare it closely. I'll leave that to others. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:54, 27 August 2012 (EDT)<br />
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== My condolences ==<br />
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On the death of the Rev Dr Moon. [[User:JuanMotame|JuanMotame]] 18:54, 2 September 2012 (EDT)<br />
==Thanks==<br />
Thanks for the welcome. I wonder if you could help me. I tried [[Special:MovePage/William. J. Fulbright]] but apparently I don't have permission. The page should be at [[J. William Fulbright]], the name of the founder of the Fulbright scholarship program.<br />
:Done. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 17:26, 4 September 2012 (EDT)<br />
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== Sun Myung Moon ==<br />
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You changed the first sentence of the protected article on [[Sun Myung Moon]] from the present to the past tense. Could you take care of the rest of the article, too? Thanks. [[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 05:35, 5 September 2012 (EDT)<br />
*Feel free to take care of that yourself. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:01, 5 September 2012 (EDT)<br />
::I took care of it. --[[User:JamesWilson|James Wilson]] 13:21, 5 September 2012 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks to both of you! [[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 13:32, 5 September 2012 (EDT)<br />
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== Requesting Assistance ==<br />
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Mr. Poor, I'm relatively new here and don't completely know my way around. Would you please look at my comment concerning [[Talk:American Atheists and their challenges in terms of overweight leadership personnel|American Atheists and their challenges in terms of overweight leadership personnel]]. If my view is in line with the site, I'm quite certain that a template or procedure is needed at this point. If my views are not in line with the site, please feel free to remove that comment as you see fit. You seem experienced here, so your guidance is requested. --[[User:Nouniquenames|Nouniquenames]] 00:03, 21 October 2012 (EDT)<br />
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== [[Psychological manipulation]] ==<br />
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I've noticed that you moved/redirected the above article to [[Essay: Psychological manipulation in the Bible]] on grounds &quot;not a general article; case study uses a Bible story&quot;. I've got somewhat confused about this step, because IMHO the article is general and only the case study section itself contains a &quot;Bible story&quot;. In fact the rest is a combination of various sources, some of them far from having anything to do w/ Bible at all. I was by far not completely done with that article and now I actually do not know how to continue working on it. It says now &quot;This Is An Original Work. Contributors should add their signatures to the end section. If published, a notice will be posted and, if desired, contributors will be recognized.&quot; but that was not my idea at all, I would be more than happy if anyone could help to extend that, in my opinion, general article. If I could suggest anything then I would like to suggest to move only the 'case study' section to the essay realms and keep the rest as general article with hyperlink to that essay in appropriate, perhaps 'See Also' section. I also deem as deficiency that article does not appear in the Psychology category now, I believe it belongs there.--[[User:AK|AK]] 10:35, 31 October 2012 (EDT)<br />
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==[[Objections to evolution]]==<br />
As for your rationale for redirect on 'Objections to evolution', namely &quot;I thought we already had plenty of articles opposing the Theory of evolution&quot;, I agree with you that &quot;we have&quot;, but still would dare to oppose the redirect on grounds that 'Objections to evolution' is an article that brainwashes people at WP and enjoys special defence by witch-hunters who heavily suppress any different points of view there thus I believe it is of significant importance to have available alternative view on the same topic under the very same title.--[[User:AK|AK]] 10:50, 31 October 2012 (EDT)<br />
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== Quote Templates ==<br />
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I was doing some ''random page'' editing and found that there was a whole load of quote templates you created a while ago that link to nowhere and nothing seems to link to them. It seems the template for linking these quotes never got off the ground. I'm proposing that these either be deleted or put into some sort of quote page as I don't think there much use at the moment (except for possibly taking up server space). Kind Regards [[User:Dvergne|Dvergne]] 02:00, 2 November 2012 (EDT)<br />
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==[[Unificationism]]==<br />
I am not surprised to see you make changes to the Unificationism page in defense of your church, but why did you remove the part in which Moon told an interviewer, &quot;God is living in me and I am the incarnation of himself.&quot; &quot;The whole world is in my hand and I will conquer and subjugate the world.&quot; [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19459920?print=true]<br />
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Are you saying the BBC made that up? [[User:Daniel1212|Daniel1212]] 08:23, 14 November 2012 (EST)<br />
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:You can put that back in. Sorry for the delayed answer; my day job keeps me pretty busy. <br />
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:Be advised, though, that Rev. Moon himself disputed the ''conquer and subjugate'' quote, telling Newsweek interviewers that he had been quoted out of context. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:35, 20 November 2012 (EST)<br />
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== Way to stop the spammers ==<br />
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From Aschlafly's talk page <br />
Yesterday after I prayed an idea came to me (most likely from god) to stop the spammers from registering the spam accounts. If we can move away from user captcha and instead use a question that requires some knowledge (for example what team does tim tebow sit on the bench for or which team did he turned around) as the spambots will be completely flummoxed by this. [[User:Dvergne|Dvergne]] 09:16, 19 November 2012 (EST)<br />
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:The questycaptcha is excellent for this purpose. It stops ocr bots, and most paid spammers. The code would be:<br />
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require_once( &quot;$IP/extensions/ConfirmEdit/ConfirmEdit.php&quot; );<br />
$wgCaptchaClass = 'QuestyCaptcha';<br />
$arr = array (<br />
&quot;A question?&quot; =&gt; &quot;An answer!&quot;,<br />
&quot;What is this wiki's name?&quot; =&gt; &quot;Conservapedia&quot;,<br />
'Who is Tim Tebow' =&gt; 'An athlete',<br />
foreach ( $arr as $key =&gt; $value ) {<br />
$wgCaptchaQuestions[] = array( 'question' =&gt; $key, 'answer' =&gt; $value );<br />
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Which you would place in /rootfiledirectory/localsettings.php[[User:Brenden|brenden]] 15:54, 19 November 2012 (EST)''<br />
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: Given your considerable experience in operating and maintaining wiki's like Wikipedia and convservapedia, do you think you would be able to implement this ? Regards [[User:Dvergne|Dvergne]] 05:12, 23 November 2012 (EST)<br />
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==A serious Biblical matter==<br />
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Aschlafly wrote the essay [[Mystery:Did Jesus Write the Epistle to the Hebrews?]]. This wouldn't have been to problematic, but now he puts his outlandish idea into an article in the main space ([[Epistle to the Hebrews]]). First he wrote:<br />
{{cquote|&quot;The [[Epistle to the Hebrews]] is the nineteenth book of the [[New Testament]], and one of the greatest mysteries in all of intellectual history: the authorship of this brilliant work is unknown, and '''the most plausible theory is that Jesus himself wrote or dictated it.'''&quot;}}<br />
[[User:Iduan]] toned this down somewhat, so that we read at the moment:<br />
{{cquote|&quot;The [[Epistle to the Hebrews]] is the nineteenth book of the [[New Testament]], and one of the greatest mysteries in all of intellectual history: the authorship of this brilliant work is unknown, and '''one plausible theory is that Jesus himself wrote or dictated it'''.&quot;}}<br />
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I couldn't find any Biblical scholar who shares this idea, I couldn't find any authorative figure who promotes this - and this isn't much of a surprise if you read the epistle for yourself! The only &quot;scholar&quot; who has proposed this &quot;theory&quot; in the last 2000 years is Andrew Schlafly. <br />
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I tried to delete this sentence, and then I tried to make it clear that this idea is a personal insight by Andrew Schlafly. My edits were reverted: any reader of this encyclopedia gets the impression that this theory is something commonly known or well discussed. That's utterly untrue. <br />
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I tend to be quite strict on Biblical matters - I'm often accused of being nitpicky. As one of the sysops of Conservapedia who was active in 2012 I ask you to weigh in on this problem: maybe it is just me and most of the of you and your fellow sysops think that it is acceptable to present an insight of a single person '''in a Biblical matter''' (an insight shared by virtually no one) as a plausible theory. But - as the title of this section indicates - for me this is a very serious matter.<br />
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--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 19:26, 25 November 2012 (EST)<br />
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:If your purpose for marking it as Mr. Schlafly's idea is to discredit it, then you're barking up the wrong tree. Anyway, the page is just an essay, and the entire page is therefore pure Schlafly. What's wrong with that? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:37, 5 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:*''&quot;Anyway, the page is just an essay, and the entire page is therefore pure Schlafly. What's wrong with that? &quot;'' As I tried to convey with the phrase &quot;this wouldn't have been to problematic&quot;, there is nothing wrong with the essay [[Mystery:Did Jesus Write the Epistle to the Hebrews?]]. But I think it ''is'' problematic that the ''insight'' of the essay spills over into a page in the main space, i.e., [[Epistle to the Hebrews]], and becomes a ''fact'' during this process.<br />
:*''&quot;If your purpose for marking it as Mr. Schlafly's idea is to discredit it, then you're barking up the wrong tree.&quot;'' It's the other way round: stating the ''insight'' in an article in the main space without making it clear that the only source for this idea is Andrew Schlafly is lending it an improper credibility. If you read an unsourced, unmarked statement in an encyclopedia, the reader generally takes it as a kind of common knowledge, even more so if he is e.g., a high-school pupil.<br />
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Conservapedia is a mix of opinion and fact. Each is clearly marked. Talk pages are filled with unsourced claims, and we make very few efforts to police such talk.<br />
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If there is currently an unsourced, unmarked statement in an article that needs attention, please point it out to me. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:09, 12 December 2012 (EST)<br />
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:Thank you - if unsourced, unmarked statements are reintroduced into the article, I'll point them out to you! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 14:02, 12 December 2012 (EST)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Im new here and need some help. I figured I would go to you since you seem very involved in the community. I recently tried to instate an article about R*tional Wiki and suddenly it was deleted. I thought since we had an article about Wikipedia that we could write about wikis. I also noticed that it had been deleted several times by the same people. Why? The words are spam filtered to. I feel that we need to write about the faults and propaganda of this completely biased website. Not to mention they completely badmouth you in the most rude ways. Please help...--[[User:Colesmithsayshi|Colesmithsayshi]] 14:18, 31 December 2012 (EST)<br />
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== Mass Wedding ==<br />
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I was wanting to know what is the significance of mass weddings in the unification church ? I see your church has recently conducted it's first mass wedding since the very untimely death of the great Sun Myung Moo. [[User:Dvergne|Dvergne]] 10:05, 17 February 2013 (EST)<br />
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== Not sure how to respond to messages. ==<br />
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I am not sure how to answer the message you sent me. There does not seem to be a way to respond attached to the message you sent. Do I just respond in this open forum? Thanks.<br />
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== Math ==<br />
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Greetings, Ed. We haven't communicated in quite a while.<br />
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The reason I am writing is that I saw your recent [[Essay:Campaign_to_make_Conservapedia_unusable]]. I know that this has long been an issue, and that you and I have both put a lot of effort into making math/science articles accessible. I have one comment about it: ''Your audience for this essay is just yourself.'' All the people who made things inaccessible&amp;mdash;Foxtrot, Lemonpeel, Jaques, etc, are long gone. So, if you want the situation to improve, instead of writing an essay, you're just going to have to make the improvements yourself.<br />
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Actually, I'm not sure what articles you have in mind for your criticism. If it's all the topology stuff ([[Regular_space]], [[Sequentially_compact]], [[Hausdorff_space]], ...), you have my sympathy, and you will just have to delete them. No one will improve them. But I strongly advise you ''not'' to delete them. They aren't doing any harm, and no one reads them (except me :-). An encyclopedia is not judged by how esoteric its most esoteric articles are, but by how well its mainstream articles are written, and how well those mainstream articles cover the field. I think the mainstream math articles at Conservapedia, like integers, rational numbers, real numbers, and complex numbers, are pretty good.<br />
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Which brings me to my specific point. It isn't true that no one edits math articles any more. There was a small amount of activity on integers and natural numbers recently. Perhaps this is what led you to write the essay. I don't think there was anything over-the-top about the recent edits, and I think you sometimes over-react to things like this. I believe that the recent edits in that area were well-intentioned, and trying to do a good job.<br />
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Giving a really good definition of the integers or natural numbers, in the way that you and I would like, at the appropriate level but with real clarity, is ''impossible''. Saying &quot;evenly divisible by 1&quot; doesn't work, because the reader who doesn't know what an integer is will have no conception of what division is or what &quot;evenly divisible&quot; means. Saying &quot;has no fractional part&quot; doesn't work either. I can see what the author intended--numbers are things like &quot;3.7&quot;, and &quot;.7&quot; is the fractional part. So, having no fractional part means it is something like just 3. That's correct, but it relies on having an intuitive notion of real numbers, that is, things like 3 and 3.1 and 3.7 and 3.14159.... (Speaking of which, happy pi day!!!) Now most people have an intuitive feel for numbers with fractions well before they have to think about a formal definition of natural numbers. I know I did. That is, I knew about &quot;3&quot; in the context of &quot;3.7 without the .7&quot;, or &quot;the biggest markings on a ruler, rather than all the small ones.&quot;<br />
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So how do you write the article? You do the best you can, giving an imprecise defintion in terms of &quot;numbers that you count with&quot;, or something like that. (By the way, I really really liked your &quot;mathisfun&quot; web link explaining these things on an elementary level, and I used it (crediting you) in my article at Ameriwiki.) So the right thing is probably to define &quot;counting numbers&quot;, as in the web link, and accepting that that's the best you can do. Then address, very lightly, the issue of how that might be different from &quot;natural numbers&quot;, and whether zero is included, and so on. It's not worth making a big deal about. Just pick some definitions, and stick to them. Mention that maybe not everyone agrees. Don't worry about students getting a bad grade on an exam because of a nit-picking difference--people taking exams will presumably have attended a class and gotten the instructor's view on this, if the instructor thinks it's important. The way you addressed the issue in the natural number article is just right.<br />
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Yeah, the stuff about integers being &quot;the only integral domain whose positive elements are well ordered and in which order is preserved by addition&quot; is over the top. Either take it out or move it to the very bottom. Other than that, I think the natural number / integer articles are in pretty good shape.<br />
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One more thing: Don't be put off by the fancy &quot;N&quot; symbol. The people are not trying to show off. The symbols are cool, and the students will think so. When I was in junior high, I thought that the summation and integral symbols were really cool, long before I knew what they meant. Let the students see them.<br />
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And I still say that the Peano axioms would be a good thing to have at Conservapedia. Nowhere near as complicated as &quot;integral domain whose positive elements are well ordered&quot;, and really interesting for the target audience. You may copy my Peano article from Ameriwiki if you wish.<br />
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[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 23:34, 14 March 2013 (EDT)<br />
:I just wanted to add my thoughts as a math graduate student who has made several edits to our math articles. As someone who plans on becoming a professor, I think it is fundamental that, as an educational resource, Conservapedia has accessible (to the extent possible) math material. However, we are not limited in space like a print encyclopedia, so there is certainly room for us to have more in-depth coverage of math topics for more advanced scholars. It's not my intention to make Conservapedia unusable as an educational resource; if you think that my edits are not helpful, please feel free to discuss them with me. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 20:20, 15 March 2013 (EDT)<br />
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::You may have missed my point, which is that 99% of our readers are concerned with math that is below the college level. I want the majority of our editorial effort in math to focus on what these readers need. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:30, 17 March 2013 (EDT)<br />
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Ed: I take exception to your implication that I &quot;missed your point&quot; about the intended audience of CP, or how to write for it. Be assured that I absolutely, totally, utterly, and completely understand these issues. If you have any question about this, please see my articles on [[Limit (mathematics)]], [[Algebra]], [[Compass and straightedge]], and [[Cramer's rule]]. ''These are all topics that I studied in high school'', and I'm sure you did too. In particular, I put an enormous amount of work into the limit article.<br />
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In any case, this stuff is entirely in your hands now. If you have any problems with the math articles, you have the administrative power to delete any articles that you think are inappropriate, like the [[Kolmogorov space]] article. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 22:57, 4 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, thanks, brother wolf, for exposing your neck so meekly. But I have no desire to be top dog, if you'll excuse me for mixing metaphors. I'm glad you understand and work hard, and I hope you will help me make high school math (and below) accessible to the average reader - not just those in the top 1% like you and me. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:47, 5 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
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I must confess that I don't understand your metaphors very much -- brother wolf? exposing my neck? I'm pretty clueless about contemporary culture. But I know what &quot;top dog&quot; means. There's no doubt that you are a top dog, being an administrator. Also, I'm flattered to be considered in the top 1%, but, remember, there have been a lot of really sharp people here. So I'm not sure about being in the top 1%.<br />
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In any case, good luck, and have fun. And don't hesitate to delete stuff that you consider inappropriate. Really.<br />
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I'll come by and look around and say hello from time to time. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 22:50, 11 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
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== Carbon Dioxide ==<br />
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I have redone Brenden's edits in a number of different edits. I hope this helps you. [[User:Dvergne|Dvergne]] 07:01, 10 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
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:It did. See my subsequent edits. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 21:23, 12 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
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== Understanding Islam ==<br />
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Hi Ed, thanks for this entry: [[Islam and tolerance]]. I followed the reference link to the news story &quot;The Roots of Muslim rage&quot;, and read the article. I thought it was really interesting, and as I am trying to better understand their beliefs and attitude towards us, (those of Christian faith and in Western Nations) I wanted you to know this was helpful to me, thanks. [[User:Taj|Taj]] 18:36, 15 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
:I put the article up for deletion; please contest me on it's talk page. Thanks, [[User:Brenden|brenden]] 15:29, 5 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
::I remember posting this thank-you to Ed Poor almost 3 months ago for making the page, as he referenced a very interesting article in the footnotes that helped me to better understand the position of Muslims. I had been trying to gain a better understanding of their point of view, and I found it very helpful. I'm surprised to see it up for deletion, since I don't think &quot;one quote&quot; pages are undesirable, as they often lead me to think more about a subject matter. Sometimes a little quote can lead to learning more about a subject. Why not add a little more information rather than try to delete the page? [[User:Taj|Taj]] 14:32, 6 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
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== Reminder ==<br />
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Some of your newer articles need some categories. I don't really know much about subject matter so would probably be better if you do it. [[User:Dvergne|Dvergne]] 09:03, 16 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
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:Feel free to place any category at all, when I'm too rushed to do it. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:18, 16 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
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:: Normally I would, just not to familiar with some of subject matter. [[User:Dvergne|Dvergne]] 09:22, 16 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
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==Christian Chivalry==<br />
I redirected your article on [[Christian chivalry]] to the already existing page [[Chivalry]] since they're the same concept and the other page was already much more in-depth. Hope that was alright. [[User:Fnarrow|Fnarrow]] 11:20, 19 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
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:Did you complete the merge before reducing the page to a redirect? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:16, 19 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
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I'm not an admin, I don't think I can do a full merge like that... I figured since it was just a sentence and the sentiment of that sentence was already covered in the other article that the redirect would be sufficient... sorry. [[User:Fnarrow|Fnarrow]] 22:26, 19 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
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:If you did your best in good faith, then no apology is needed. :-)<br />
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:I'll take a look later on, and if I think that quote is relevant I'll tack it on to [[Chivalry]]. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:28, 19 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
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==[[Talk:Gun control#New Infographic]]==<br />
As you are one of the main contributors to the [[Gun control]] page, I'm writing here to ask you to follow the link I posted in the heading of this section and read the data I found. I think it could be very helpful to the article, but as I said there I'm far from an expert in interpreting that kind of data. Thanks, [[User:Fnarrow|Fnarrow]] 11:59, 20 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
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:I'm interested in describing both sides in the [[Firearms debate]]. I don't think we have to overemphasize one side. Put in anything you like. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:59, 20 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
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==fnarrow's reply to your terms==<br />
I'm just copy and pasting what he sent me, please don't shoot the messenger. <br />
&lt;blockquote&gt;[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]], I agree to your terms unequivocally and will do everything I can on the future to not allow my emotions to get the better of me in the future. That said, I just want to take a second to point out that 2 of the 6 examples you gave of my behavior, (4 and 5 I believe, i do not have the other page open as I type this email) were not posted by me but were part of a comment posted by another user in response to my comments. The other 4 I do not deny and I agree that they were out of line. To that end, I would like to point out that if you or [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] look at the final interaction between myself and [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] in the &quot;why complaints will go nowhere&quot; section of that same page, you will see that we had settled our differences peacefully. It wasn't until after that that i was banned for earlier statements made in the heat of the moment and out of exasperation regarding the situation at the time they were made. I do not contest the justice of the 1 day block, but when it was immediately followed by the infinite block before I had a chance to respond, apologize or anything else, that was when I felt I had been treated unfairly and asked my friend to join the site as a conduit for contact. (thanks again John!) While I therefore still think the infinite block was unwarranted, i do apologize for my actions and will not allow it to happen again. Thanks for your time and i look forward to helping the site grow from this point forward. --fnarrow<br />
&lt;/blockquote&gt; btw, I'm not 100# sure what a &quot;sock&quot; is, assure you that to my understanding of the term I am not one. I have neither the time nor the inclination to edit your wiki and only made this account at my friend's request since he had no other contact anyone here. [[User:JSandler|JSandler]] 22:35, 28 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
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:Karajou said I could unblock Fnarrow. I hope this turns out okay. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:29, 29 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
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== Fnarrow ==<br />
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Would you be able to restore Fnarrows user and talk page whilst your at it mate ? [[User:Dvergne|Dvergne]] 09:30, 29 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
:(this is [[User:fnarrow|fnarrow]], I'm using [[User:JSandler|John(jsandler)'s]] phone at the moment as my IP is still blocked even though my user page shows that I have been unblocked by [[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]]... Can that be fixed?) I wanted to thank everyone for helping me understand what happened and helping me get reinstated. I look forward to working with you all more in the future. Also, as [[User:Dvergne|Dvergne]] already posted, is it possible to have my user page and talk page content restored? Most of it can be deleted now that issues have been settled, but I'd like to recover other parts. Thanks again, [[User:fnarrow|fnarrow]] 14:00, 29 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
::Ed, yes I can post again, I had assumed you had unblocked me... but I guess not based upon your comment on my talk page. Anyway, can you restore the content which was deleted from my user page and talk page? I don't know how to do that... Also, since you're a very knowledgeable Conservative and I consider myself to be a fairly knowledgeable Libertarian I'd be willing to work with you on the [[Conservatives and libertarians]] page you created if you're still looking for someone to help with that project. Let me know. Thanks, [[User:Fnarrow|Fnarrow]] 00:12, 30 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
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I unblocked your username. Someone else seems to have unblocked your IP address; I don't know how to do that.<br />
I'll leave your user and talk pages as C left them - ask him if he wants them undeleted. I'm just unblocking you, in light of your promise to chill out and be more focused on articles. <br />
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Please start the [[Conservatives and libertarians]] page, and I'll join in. Thanks! --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:41, 30 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
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:I think we can do that although I am not good with wikis. From what i Understand, Libertarians are conservative when it comes to economics, gun ownership, small government, defence etc but are closer to liberals on other social issues. The way I understand it, libertarians believe the law should protect person and property, but go no further than that. I will do some research in the next few days, write a beta copy and forward to you for review/editing if thats ok<br />
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::Excellent, Patmac. I'll add that to the article. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:22, 30 April 2013 (EDT)<br />
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== Homosexuality article and General protection idea/proposal ==<br />
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The [[homosexuality]] article seems to be a bit broken. The table of contents is in the wrong position. Could you or another sysop please fix this ? Also I had an Idea re article protection. Would it be possible to protect some article so that only those users with '''edit''' and '''sysop''' rights edit them. This would allow those pages to be edited and improved by trusted and known users whilst stopping liberal trolls and thugs pushing their POV and vandalizing them. I think that something like this would help improve the quality and accuracy of the encyclopedia as it would allow for updates, improvements, tweaks and general formatting improvements to be made to our most popular articles [[User:Dvergne|Dvergne]] 10:45, 4 May 2013 (EDT)<br />
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:For questions about rights (which involve software tweaks), talk to Andy. I can always unprotect an article at least temporarily. But if you want a longterm solution, I'm the wrong man to ask. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:41, 4 May 2013 (EDT)<br />
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== Odysseus ==<br />
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*You should highlight quotes by including them in apostrophes: see [[Help:How to Code]] for a simple introduction - and follow [http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Odysseus&amp;diff=1052312&amp;oldid=1052300 this link] for an example.<br />
*If you include a link to a source just by using simple square brackets (like &lt;nowiki&gt;[http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/odysseus.htm]&lt;/nowiki&gt;), it appears only as a number (like &lt;nowiki&gt;[1]&lt;/nowiki&gt;) in the text, similar to footnotes. But unlike those, it isn't listed in the references. To get it listed there, you have to include your link into &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;ref&gt;...&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; - tags. (see [http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Odysseus&amp;diff=1052314&amp;oldid=1052313 this link] for an example)<br />
--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 04:31, 15 May 2013 (EDT)<br />
::Perhaps either AugustO or Ed Poor can help me, but other than on recent wikis where the quotation mark and the italic notation can be easily confused, I have never seen italic font used as a stand-alone indication of a block quotation. I have seen italic used for titles of books or for emphasis or for foreign language words, but not as a replacement for quotation marks. Any sources for this alternative would be appreciated. Thanks, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 10:56, 15 May 2013 (EDT)<br />
:A very good question! Conservapedia states in its [[Conservapedia:Formatting conventions]]:<br />
::''Italic sections of text are usually used to portion off a portion of text, indicating it is integral to the sentence without being part of its continuation. ''<br />
:But while wikipedia don't like when you put quotes in italics <br />
::''For quotations, use only quotation marks (for short quotations) or block quoting (for long ones), not italics. (See Quotations below.) This means that (1) a quotation is not italicized inside quotation marks or a block quote just because it is a quotation, and (2) italics are no substitute for proper quotation formatting. ''<br />
:Conservapedia doesn't address the matters (as far as I could see). Instead, Conservapedia offer some templates which try to do the job.<br />
:*&lt;nowiki&gt;{{Quote}} or {{Q}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;<br />
{{Q|the Greek hero who spent ten years fighting his way home, spurning wealth, fame, and the promise of immortality to reclaim his family.}}<br />
:This template expects an author, so it can't be used in our special case:<br />
{{Q|the Greek hero who spent ten years fighting his way home, spurning wealth, fame, and the promise of immortality to reclaim his family.|John Taylor Gatto}}<br />
:Note how the text gets italicized, and is included in quotation marks: but this template is only used eleven times on this wiki. <br />
:*&lt;nowiki&gt;{{Quote box}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;<br />
{{Quote box|the Greek hero who spent ten years fighting his way home, spurning wealth, fame, and the promise of immortality to reclaim his family.}}<br />
:*&lt;nowiki&gt;{{Quotebox}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;<br />
{{Quotebox|the Greek hero who spent ten years fighting his way home, spurning wealth, fame, and the promise of immortality to reclaim his family.}}<br />
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{{QuoteBox2|quote=the Greek hero who spent ten years fighting his way home, spurning wealth, fame, and the promise of immortality to reclaim his family.|source=John Taylor Gatto}}<br />
:''QuoteBox2'' is used ten times on Conservapedia, ''Quotebox'' 422 times, ''Quote box'' only 1 time. Clearly they aren't very popular.<br />
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{{Cquote|the Greek hero who spent ten years fighting his way home, spurning wealth, fame, and the promise of immortality to reclaim his family.}}<br />
:This is the most popular version, used over 1500 times. <br />
:My conclusion: <br />
:#The main feature of a quotation are - surprise, surprise - the quotation marks. Especially for short quotes, they shouldn't be omitted. I haven't used them regularly in the past (see the first quotations in this section), but I'll do so henceforth.<br />
:#Conservapedia is mute on the use of italics to mark a quote. But perhaps we should follow wikipedia's lead and just don't do so<br />
:#Indenting via ::: alone is not enough to mark a section as a long quote, at least &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt; .. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; should be used - this indents the quote from the left and the right margin. A longer quotation should use one of the templates - best probably &lt;nowiki&gt;{{cquote}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;. <br />
:Any thoughts? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 11:50, 15 May 2013 (EDT)<br />
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::My thought is that the last time we discussed a formatting issue, I tried to throw my weight around, and it didn't end on a cheerful note. So why don't I just follow whatever you recommend? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 21:24, 15 May 2013 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks to both of you. I just want to say that I have never, ever thought of italics as conveying the limits of a quotation. I always assumed that someone had put a printout of wiki-marked up text into an OCR scanner and it just got confused between double apostrophes and a quote mark. I agree with your bottom line. Thanks [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 21:40, 15 May 2013 (EDT)<br />
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== Neutral third party's viewpoint sought ==<br />
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Hi Ed. I'd like to get your views on the discussion between another user and me that took place on my talk page. It looks as if you recently blocked him over another matter. I think he just tried to bully me for no good reason, but I'd like to hear what a senior admin thinks. Thanks for weighing in if you get the chance. [[User:DanAP|DanAP]] 00:14, 18 May 2013 (EDT)<br />
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Ed, I believe RontheDon and Bamorris9 are parodists--[[User:Patmac|Patmac]] 11:52, 20 May 2013 (EDT)<br />
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== Propositional calculus ==<br />
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I started that article. It's a topic that you have, on several occasions (remember the &quot;wff N proof&quot; game?) expressed an interest in. I urge you to fill it out. Though I have a degree in mathematics, I do not know how to explain this topic at a high-school level, and I do not write about topics that I can't explain at a high-school level.<br />
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I also notice no activity on any &quot;sciency&quot; (STEM?) stuff over the last few months, from you or anyone else. Have you lost interest? I hope not. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 21:00, 1 June 2013 (EDT)<br />
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== Susan Rice ==<br />
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Hi can you please help me to expand the article [[Susan E. Rice]]--[[User:JoeyJ|JoeyJ]] 11:29, 6 June 2013 (EDT)<br />
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:I dont know how to put in a Officeholder-template. Can you please do it. Here are all informations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rice --[[User:JoeyJ|JoeyJ]] 13:32, 11 June 2013 (EDT)<br />
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It should read [[Edward Snowden]]. That was my mistake. I might even have heard someone else mispronounce that.--[[User:TerryH|TerryH]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TerryH|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:04, 12 June 2013 (EDT)<br />
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Hi can you please uploud this picture: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%D0%90.%D0%93.%D0%9B%D1%83%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%88%D1%8D%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%B0_(%D0%B2%D1%8B%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%BA%D0%B0).jpeg ? Thanks--[[User:JoeyJ|JoeyJ]] 09:18, 23 June 2013 (EDT)<br />
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:For the [[Belarus]] article? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:13, 23 June 2013 (EDT)<br />
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:No for the [[Alexander Lukashenko]]-article please.--[[User:JoeyJ|JoeyJ]] 10:50, 23 June 2013 (EDT)<br />
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I guess you mean [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/95/%D0%90.%D0%93.%D0%9B%D1%83%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%88%D1%8D%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%B0_%28%D0%B2%D1%8B%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%BA%D0%B0%29.jpeg this picture.] --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:13, 24 June 2013 (EDT)<br />
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:yes and please uploud a picture of [[Nicolas Maduro]]. Like [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Canciller_de_Venezuela_y_Ofrenda_Floral_a_Bol%C3%ADvar_%284%29.jpg this] here--[[User:JoeyJ|JoeyJ]] 11:25, 24 June 2013 (EDT)<br />
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:When will you uploud them?--[[User:JoeyJ|JoeyJ]] 08:55, 3 July 2013 (EDT)</div>Tajhttp://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Bay_Area_Rapid_Transit&diff=1059892Bay Area Rapid Transit2013-07-06T18:25:05Z<p>Taj: update on strike</p>
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<div>The '''Bay Area Rapid Transportation''' (BART) system is a mass transit commuter travel system in Northern [[California]] that uses electric trains to connect the city of [[San Francisco]] with many other cities in the Bay Area. Bart currently runs several lines including from Richmond, CA to Fremont, from Pittsburg, CA to Millbrae, and includes the transbay tube, an underwater tunnel spanning the bay from [[Oakland]] to San Francisco. The system has expanded over the years and now includes service to the San Francisco International Airport. The BART system is similar to other large transit systems such as the [[New York]] and [[Chicago]] [[subway]] systems. <br />
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Bart workers went on strike on July 1, 2013 &lt;ref&gt;http://www.mercurynews.com/bay-area-news/ci_23571889/bart-strike-union-leaders-meeting-decide-whether-resume&lt;/ref&gt;, leaving 400,000 commuters trying to find alternate ways to get from the East Bay into San Francisco. Traffic was gridlocked during commute hours, with a routine 1 hour drive across the Oakland Bay bridge turning into 4 or 5 hours. Some Bart riders were able to take the AC Transit bus or the ferry service across the Bay, but it was a huge inconvenience for many. Governor [[Jerry Brown]] did not opt to impose a 60-day &quot;cooling off period&quot; as he had during the previous strike, saying that the end of the cooling off period would coincide with the planned closing of the Bay bridge to complete retrofitting work required after the [[Loma Prieta Earthquake]]. <br />
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Bart workers returned to work on July 5, 2013, but only for a 30 day period while contract talks resume. &lt;ref&gt;http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/BART-starts-rolling-after-5-day-strike-4648160.php&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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*[http://www.bart.gov/stations/ BART Map showing stations]<br />
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[[Category:Transportation]][[Category:California]]</div>Tajhttp://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia:AFD_Islam_and_tolerance&diff=1059887Conservapedia:AFD Islam and tolerance2013-07-06T17:54:49Z<p>Taj: </p>
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<div>The article in question is a single qoute, without any context. The alternative is to move it into templatespace. [[User:Brenden|brenden]] 16:41, 5 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
:Let me quote the CP Commandments: &quot;Any content you create or change [...] must be family-friendly, clean, '''concise''', and without gossip or foul language. [emphasis added]&quot;. It manages to succinctly summarize a complex subject with a few short sentences, rather than engaging in excessive [[Talk pollution|liberal jibbar jabbar]]. - [[User:Markman|Markman]] 16:52, 5 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
::Indeed, but articles should also be useful by themselves. In this case, it is not. [[User:Brenden|brenden]] 17:03, 5 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
::''Delete.'' [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 09:19, 6 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
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I agree that the short quotation, by itself, does not constitute an article. Like the crucial message in [[Crimson Tide]], it is merely a fragment. Template space is a great place for it. Thanks for the heads-up.<br />
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By the way, it really is a pleasure working '''with''' you guys, rather than butting heads. :P --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:20, 6 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
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:I remember posting a thank-you to Ed Poor on his talk page for making this page, as he referenced a very interesting article in the footnotes that helped me to better understand the position of Muslims. I had been trying to understand their point of view, and I found it very helpful. I'm glad he made this page, and it would be really nice to see it expanded rather than put up for deletion. I don't think &quot;one quote&quot; pages are undesirable, as they often lead me to think more about a subject matter. [[User:Taj|Taj]] 13:54, 6 July 2013 (EDT)</div>Tajhttp://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Hayley_Mills&diff=1052287Hayley Mills2013-05-15T02:30:54Z<p>Taj: external link, see also's</p>
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<div>'''Hayley Mills''' is a British actress who first became known for her work as a child actress in the movies ''&quot;[[Pollyanna]]&quot;'' (1960), and ''&quot;[[The Parent Trap]]&quot;'' (1961) in which she played twin teenage girls. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055277/ imdb &quot;The Parent Trap&quot;]&lt;/ref&gt;. She is also known for her work in other films including ''&quot;Whistle Down the Wind&quot;'' in which a group of children find an escaped criminal whom they mistake for Jesus Christ. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055618/ imdb &quot;Whistle Down the Wind&quot;]&lt;/ref&gt; Ms. Mills also starred in the film ''&quot;That Darn Cat!&quot;'' (1965) &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059793/ imdb &quot;That Darn Cat!&quot;]&lt;/ref&gt;.<br />
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*[[Drew Barrymore]]<br />
*[[Shirley Temple]]<br />
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*[http://www.blockbuster.com/browse/catalog/personDetails/43509 bio at Blockbuster]<br />
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<div>'''Hayley Mills''' is a British actress who first became known for her work as a child actress in the movies ''&quot;[[Pollyanna]]&quot;'' (1960), and ''&quot;[[The Parent Trap]]&quot;'' (1961) in which she played twin teenage girls. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055277/ imdb &quot;The Parent Trap&quot;]&lt;/ref&gt;. She is also known for her work in other films including ''&quot;Whistle Down the Wind&quot;'' in which a group of children find an escaped criminal whom they mistake for Jesus Christ. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055618/ imdb &quot;Whistle Down the Wind&quot;]&lt;/ref&gt; Ms. Mills also starred in the film ''&quot;That Darn Cat!&quot;'' (1965) &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059793/ imdb &quot;That Darn Cat!&quot;]&lt;/ref&gt;.<br />
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<div>'''Hayley Mills''' is a British actress who first became known for her work as a child actress in the movies [[Pollyanna]] (1960), and [[The Parent Trap]] (1961) in which she played twin teenage girls. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055277/ imdb &quot;The Parent Trap&quot;]&lt;/ref&gt;. She is also known for her work in other films including ''&quot;Whistle Down the Wind&quot;'' in which a group of children find an escaped criminal whom they mistake for Jesus Christ. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055618/ imdb &quot;Whistle Down the Wind&quot;]&lt;/ref&gt; Ms. Mills also starred in the film ''&quot;That Darn Cat!&quot;'' (1965) &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059793/ imdb &quot;That Darn Cat!&quot;]&lt;/ref&gt;.<br />
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<div>'''Hayley Mills''' is a British actress, famous for [[Pollyanna]] (1960) and [[The Parent Trap]] (1961). She is probably most famous for the film whistle Down the Wind in which a group of children find an escaped criminal whom they mistake for Jesus Christ.<br />
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*[http://www.blockbuster.com/browse/catalog/personDetails/43509 bio] at Blockbuster<br />
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[[Category: Actresses]]</div>Tajhttp://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Taj&diff=1052199User talk:Taj2013-05-14T19:28:17Z<p>Taj: </p>
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<div>''&quot;'''This is the day which the Lord hath made; let us rejoice and be glad in it.&quot;''' Psalm 118:24''<br />
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Taj has been an editor at [[Conservapedia]] since April 2, 2007.<br />
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<div>'''Newgrounds''' &lt;ref&gt; http://www.newgrounds.com &lt;/ref&gt; (founded on July 6, 1995 by Tom Fulp) &lt;ref&gt;http://www.newgrounds.com/wiki/about-newgrounds/staff&lt;/ref&gt; is an online [[website]] where amateur computer game designers, movie-makers and audio creators, using &quot;Flash&quot; animation, can post their creations to an internet portal so other people can have the chance to see their work and try their [[Video game|games]]. It is often used by new game designers to test out their projects to see if they are well received. Anyone can create an account, play the games and vote on them. The better games tend to get good votes and stay in the higher rankings, while the poorly made games tend to quickly fall off the charts. Newgrounds does not censor it's content, so although most games are fine for everyone, some of the material may be deemed too violent for the general public. <br />
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<div>'''Hayley Mills''' was a child actress, famous for [[Pollyanna]] (1960) and [[The Parent Trap]] (1961).<br />
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<div>'''Hayley Mills''' was a child actress, famous for [[Pollyanna]] (1960) and [[The Parent Trap]] (1961).<br />
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*[http://www.blockbuster.com/browse/catalog/personDetails/43509 bio] at Blockbuster<br />
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<div>'''Sylvia Browne''' (born, Sylvia Celeste Shoemaker: October 19, 1936) is a self-proclaimed &quot;[[psychic]]&quot; and [[author]] of many books on the subject of spirituality. Browne is a celebrity psychic, [[medium]], and [[occult|occultist]], having appeared regularly on the [[Montel Williams]] television show and others. She leads her own church, the ''Society of Novus Spiritus''. Browne advertises services through her website, employs other &quot;mediums&quot; and generates income through lectures, &quot;Spiritual Salons&quot; and telephone readings. &lt;ref&gt;http://www.novus.org/home/support_novus.cfm &lt;/ref&gt;. Many have questioned her credibility in light of unfulfilled claims she has made, such as telling the parents of a kidnapped boy, Shawn Hornbeck, that their son was deceased. Shawn was later found alive with another kidnapped child. In 2004 Browne also incorrectly informed the mother of kidnapped Amanda Berry that her daughter was dead; Amanda was found alive in May 2013. &lt;ref&gt;http://gma.yahoo.com/psychic-said-amanda-berry-dead-silent-berry-found-212849667--abc-news-topstories.html&lt;/ref&gt; In fact, Browne has been proven wrong many times over, not only telling parents that their children are dead when they are alive, but also the opposite, that they are alive, when they are actually no longer living. &lt;ref&gt;http://www.csicop.org/si/show/psychic_defective_sylvia_brownes_history_of_failure&lt;/ref&gt; This unethical activity on the part of Browne has caused heartache and grief for parents, as well as wasted time for law enforcement officials who have attempted to follow up on her &quot;leads&quot;. In 2006, Robert S. Lancaster created a website called &quot;Stop Sylvia Browne&quot;, which details her incorrect predictions. The site description reads: ''&quot;Examining and debunking the claims of purported psychic Sylvia Browne&quot;''. &lt;ref&gt;http://www.stopsylvia.com/&lt;/ref&gt; There are currently few rules or restrictions pertaining to those claiming to be psychics, mediums, fortune-tellers, tarot readers, occultists, etc.; they are largely unregulated and need no license to practice. &lt;ref&gt;http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11409477&lt;/ref&gt; <br />
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<div>==Clarification==<br />
Nearly all of those who accomplished great deeds while being teenagers made even greater contributions when they became adults. Especially, this list can't be used to bolster up the claim that ''most of the greatest works in history were accomplished by people who were teenagers''<br />
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== Heavenly voices ==<br />
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Is hearing heavenly voices an acheivement? Is was it leading France to victory that was the acheivement? It rather reads as if the hearing of voices was the acheivement. --[[User:TCochrane|TCochrane]] 18:26, 26 December 2008 (EST)<br />
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Obviously if someone produced a work ''before'' becoming a teenager it proves the same point; hence the reversion.--[[User:Aschlafly|aschlafly]] 21:34, 26 December 2008 (EST)<br />
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:Then how about renaming the page to keep it accurate? &quot;Great Achievements by Minors&quot;, maybe? [[User:DRussell|DRussell]] 21:40, 26 December 2008 (EST)<br />
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I removed [[Karl Benz]]: Though he was a child prodigy, at the given age ('''15'''), he ''&quot;only&quot;'' passed the entrance exam of the University of [[Karlsruhe]]. His genius really flourished in his late thirties. --[[User:BRichtigen|BRichtigen]] 07:10, 27 December 2008 (EST)<br />
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* '''7''' - Yehudi Menuhin: made his last recording age 82<br />
* '''8''' - [[Pablo Picasso]] Cubism: age 30 <br />
* '''8''' - [[Frederic Chopin]] Piano Concert No. 1: age 20<br />
* '''12''' - [[Blaise Pascal]] &quot;Traité du triangle arithmétique&quot;: age 30<br />
* '''13''' - [[John]] stays a mistery<br />
* '''13''' - [[Joan of Arc]] inspired and led [[France]] to victory in the [[Hundred Years War]]<br />
* '''13''' - [[Anne Frank]] began writing her diary, later published as &quot;Anne Frank: The Diary of a Young Girl&quot;<br />
* '''14''' - chess-player [[Bobby Fischer]] World Chess Champion: age 29<br />
* '''14''' - [[Mozart]]&quot;Don Giovanni&quot;: age 32<br />
* '''15''' - [[Louis Braille]] invented the [[Braille]] system<br />
* '''15''' - [[Christopher Paolini]] writes the first draft of his [[Eragon]] trilogy which is published when he is 19.<br />
* '''16''' - Jean-François Champollion: deciphers the [[Rosetta Stone]] age 32<br />
* '''18''' - [[Mary Shelley]] writes Frankenstein (The Modern Prometheus) - it is only published when she is 21, however.<br />
* '''20''' - Carl Friedrich Gauss makes his first mathematical discoveries, which will lead to the completion of &quot;Disquisitiones Arithmeticae&quot;, his magnum opus, at the age of 21.<br />
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So, most of the persons in the list made contributions to their field works overshadowing there achievements as teenagers.<br />
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[[User:BRichtigen|BRichtigen]] 08:57, 27 December 2008 (EST)<br />
:A corrosive attitude is not beneficial. If, as Andy suggested, you opened your mind you might find nmany more examples to support this case. Bear in mind: demolition is easy, to build takes effort! [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 08:59, 27 December 2008 (EST)<br />
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==Jesus==<br />
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I'm not entirely certain I'm comfortable with including Jesus on a list of &quot;teenagers.&quot; Part of that may just be a visceral reaction against applying the term to the Almighty, but setting that aside, I'm still not entirely sure he belongs on the list. After all, despite His physical age at the time he preached, He was still God, and therefore timeless and eternal. It's going to be a little hard for anyone, teenager or adult, to measure up to His list of accomplishments! --[[User:Benp|Benp]] 14:18, 28 December 2008 (EST)<br />
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Although it is a hotly debated subject, there is no concrete evidence to suggest that IQ peaks in the pre-teen/teenage years. The linked article provides evidence to support that the rate of brain development peaks at this time, but this is idependant of a person's IQ.<br />
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To highlight the diparate viewpoints, it is possible to show an IQ peak at anywhere from 14-16yrs old, all the way up to 50yrs+ - depending on what you measure, how you measure and how you interpret your findings (as with many stats i suppose).<br />
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More info: http://www.albion.edu/psychology/fac_psyc/jwilson/psy101/intell.htm<br />
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Hope my edit is satisfactory --[[User:J00ni|J00ni]] 18:22, 28 December 2008 (EST)<br />
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==Mary as &quot;17&quot;==<br />
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Can I suggest using the word &quot;uncertain&quot; for Mary's age instead of assuming that it's 17? That takes nothing away from the assumption that she was a teenager when she gave birth, but it doesn't seem right for CP to state a specific age as if it were a fact when the comment goes on to acknowledge that the actual age was unknown. --[[User:DinsdaleP|DinsdaleP]] 09:20, 30 December 2008 (EST)<br />
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: The footnote is clear enough. No one doubts she was a teenager, and 17 was an average age of betrothal. The purpose of this list is plainly not to pinpoint precise ages, but merely to show the teenagers as a group.--[[User:Aschlafly|aschlafly]] 09:24, 30 December 2008 (EST)<br />
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:: I don't disagree with that. I've added an asterisk after her age to highlight that it's an approximation, and leaving the rest as-is. --[[User:DinsdaleP|DinsdaleP]] 10:03, 30 December 2008 (EST)<br />
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:::It could be even earlier; in the middle ages it was not uncommon for girls to give birth at 14, so in this case I think it could be as young as 15 (but I think it's 16, personally). [[User:ETrundel|ETrundel]] 14:29, 30 December 2008 (EST)<br />
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:::: I too was given to believe she was younger than 17 at the time. My maternal family line has a long tradition of Mary-derived names in firstborn daughters, (I'm Regina, yes, that's Mary Derived, have &quot;Ave Regina&quot;) and my mother always told the story that she was around 15. When I was little that seemed quite grown up, but when I was 15 myself, it struck me just how very brave she was, and how young. I think the note of approximation is important for this reason, it is true she could have been as old as 17, but at that young age, two years is a world of difference in maturity and self assurance. If she was indeed younger than 17, bumping up her age underestimates the greatness of her faith. Best err on the side of caution and reverence. [[User:BirdieA|Birdie]] 13:25, 30 December 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::: I side with Birdie, I have always understood it as the age of 15. --Jpatt 14:27, 30 December 2008 (EST)<br />
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A 13-year-old programming is not a remarkable achievement, and Gates' significant accomplishments occurred as a young adult, not a teen. --[[User:DinsdaleP|DinsdaleP]] 14:06, 30 December 2008 (EST)<br />
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:I understand your point and I for one do not wish to glorify an atheist. By todays standards, that is not an achievement. At age thirteen in 1968, think about the computer he was working with? It is a bright child that succeeded, is it a great achievement? --Jpatt 14:24, 30 December 2008 (EST)<br />
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::Under further scrutiny, I have decided against including Bill Gates. What did he achieve at 13? computer skills, not a great achievement. Also, he has enough accolades, believes in the God of nothing (catch that prying eyes?), listed next to Anne, no way the two should reside together :) --Jpatt 20:28, 31 December 2008 (EST)<br />
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== remove some or move the page? ==<br />
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If it is going to be Great achievements be teenagers, then we need to limit the list to teenagers only, not 8 and 10 year olds and 20 year olds. We need to remove the non-teenagers from the list, or else change it to something like &quot;great achievements by young people&quot; --[[User:CPAdmin1|Tim]] &lt;small&gt;(CPAdmin1)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:CPAdmin1|talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:55, 30 December 2008 (EST)<br />
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:12 year olds are also not teenagers. It sounds like we're getting technical, but saying that 8, 10, 12 and 20 year olds are teenagers is effectively the same as saying girls who wear pants are boys. [[User:NormanS|NormanS]] 20:02, 30 December 2008 (EST)<br />
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::not really. It is more like saying that 4 is an odd number because it is close to 5 which is an odd number. --[[User:CPAdmin1|Tim]] &lt;small&gt;(CPAdmin1)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:CPAdmin1|talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:06, 30 December 2008 (EST)<br />
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== Roger Mason entry ==<br />
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The Roger Mason entry does not rise to the level of achievement of the others. Even if it was a meaningful discovery, which is dubious, we don't have the shepherd who discovered the Dead Sea Scrolls and I don't see why would include Mason's &quot;discovery&quot; as a great achievement either.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 19:53, 13 August 2009 (EDT)<br />
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:Although I didn't add that entry, I did feel it was right to change it to state it as ''what some believed'' rather state it as scientific fact. --[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;small&gt;/Admin&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:11, 13 August 2009 (EDT)<br />
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:: I agree with your edit, and am suggesting that we go further and either toss the entry or downgrade it further in an appropriate way. It just does not rise to the level of, say, David slaying Goliath.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 20:37, 13 August 2009 (EDT)<br />
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::: OK, so I see there's been some discussion of Roger Mason. The point is that he didn't just stumble over some strange markings in the rock: he knew they were fossils and he knew the rocks were pre-Cambrian. His teenage open-mindedness led him to see what older, more closed-minded professors did not see. He had the confidence to go to a professor and tell him what he'd discovered - the professor didn't believe him till he'd seen it with his own eyes. A whole new era of biological life? A big discovery by anyone's standards. I've part-reverted the deletion, i.e. I've made it clear why it was such a big deal. [[User:BenjyB|BenjyB]] 18:30, 3 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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Mason's achievement is that he discovered the first fossil to come from rocks that were undoubtedly of a Pre-Cambrian era. Before that, the consensus of professional scientists was that there were no complex lifeforms before the Cambrian. Mason knew the rocks were Pre-Cambrian and he knew that what he found was a fossil. The fossil is named for the place it was found, Charnwood Forest, and for him: ''Charnia masoni''. Very very few people have revolutionised a whole area of science as teenages - Mason is one of them. You can read about it in New Scientist, issue of April 14, 2007.<br />
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The text I wrote looks pretty much correct (bar one spelling mistake). I suggest you re-insert it in the article:<br />
'''16''' - Roger Mason discovers fossils from a whole era of complex life, the Ediacran (c.600 million years ago). His open-mindedness leads to an insight which overturns the limited preconceptions of earlier scientists, including Darwin, about life on Earth. [[User:BenjyB|BenjyB]] 19:26, 5 February 2011 (EST)<br />
: There have been no objections to this text so I've added it to the page. [[User:BenjyB|BenjyB]] 14:57, 6 February 2011 (EST)<br />
::And I've removed it again. When the site owner and a senior administrator agree something should be removed, and tell you to discuss it on the talk page, you don't just add it back in without their input. Wait for their response. [[User:JacobB|JacobB]]&lt;sub&gt;[[User talk:JacobB|Shout out!]]&lt;/sub&gt; 15:10, 6 February 2011 (EST)<br />
::: 1. When's he going to respond?<br />
::: 2. I thought this was an encyclopedia that gathers knowledge from the public, not one person's private website.<br />
::: 3. OK, I'll wait a little while longer. [[User:BenjyB|BenjyB]] 15:17, 6 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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:::: Your edits are heavy on opinion without links to back it up. &quot;Roger Mason&quot; is a name few have heard of, and perhaps for good reason. You'll need to back up your claim with far more than you have before it merits inclusion in this impressive list. Godspeed.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 15:36, 6 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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Responding to your request on my talk page, here are two key references and a brief commentary:<br />
* http://www.geolsoc.org.uk/gsl/geoscientist/geonews/page4300.html: Explains the importance of the Ediacaran period in geology and explains the great importance of the discoveries made by teenager Roger Mason in revealing the origins of complex life forms in the pre-Cambrian period.<br />
* http://wapedia.mobi/en/Charnia: Explains the importance of the fossils of the genus ''Charnia'' to studies of pre-Cambrian life and the important role that Roger Mason, as a teenager, played in discovering fossils within pre-Cambrian rocks.<br />
* A ''New Scientist'' article (http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19425991.500-ediacarans-the-long-fuse-of-the-cambrian-explosion.html) reports the importance of the Ediacaran fauna and the personal role played by Mason but you need a subscription to read it in full.<br />
[[User:BenjyB|BenjyB]] 19:55, 6 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:::Perhaps you can also explain what is meant by &quot;600 million years ago,&quot; given the fact that Biblical inerrancy as a pretty big deal 'round these parts. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 19:58, 6 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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:::Benjy, greatness is not apparent from your descriptions, or the links. At best it appears that some teenagers stumbled upon some fossils, of which there are millions, and then speculation by some professors followed. This hardly ranks with, for example, the achievements of the author of the [[Gospel of Mark]], wbich is part of the most influential book of all time.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 20:27, 6 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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::::Perhaps the better comparison would be with Kathryn Aurora Gray. --[[User:CecilQ|CecilQ]] 21:29, 6 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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Aschlafly, you're missing the point: Mason's breakthrough was that '''''as a schoolboy''''' he recognised fossils in what he knew were pre-Cambrian rocks. The very strong consensus among professional / academic geologists at the time was that there were '''no''' complex life-forms in the pre-Cambrian - and hence no complex fossils in pre-Cambrian rocks. Mason, as a teenager, was not hide-bound by the preconceptions of the academic world. This exactly fits your own criterion of &quot;the natural open-mindedness of young people before they may experience attempts to indoctrinate them towards certain worldviews&quot;.<br />
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As for the the scale of his achievement, there are 11 recognized geological eras and Mason discovered the first fossils recognized to definitely come from one of them ''and knew exactly what he had done'' (i.e. unlike the shephard discovering the Dead Sea Scrolls, who had no idea what the pieces of parchment were). That's a pretty big deal<br />
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Another good reference is this radio programme (''In Our Time'', a weekly science-for-non-scientists programme on a talk radio channel over here): http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00lh2s3.<br />
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Martyp, young earth creationism may be a big deal for some people round here but evidently not everybody: I've read enough CP to know that.<br />
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I'll give it an hour or so to let others respond further, then make the appropriate edit to the page. [[User:BenjyB|BenjyB]] 15:32, 7 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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: Well, it's now ''two'' hours later and there haven't been any adverse comments. So as there are no further objections, I've restored the entry for Roger Mason. [[User:BenjyB|BenjyB]] 17:44, 7 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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:: Aschlafly, just taking the entry out isn't good enough. You need to give a reason. It's getting late on this side of the pond so I leave it up to your conscience whether you let another day go by with or without one of the outstanding teenage scientists in your encyclopedia. [[User:BenjyB|BenjyB]] 19:42, 21 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:::What are you trying to achieve here BenjyB? Why not try making some substantive contributions instead of trying to push your bizarre agenda and insulting the owner and founder of the site? [[User:PeterUker|PeterUker]] 20:06, 21 February 2011 (EST)<br />
::::He's gone. Just another UK troll from a ragwiki elsewhere.--[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 20:19, 21 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:::::I only noticed that after I'd posted, sorry! What's a 'ragwiki'? Is that a UK term as I'm not familiar with it? [[User:PeterUker|PeterUker]] 20:30, 21 February 2011 (EST)<br />
::::::Just a gathering of like minded troublemakers from anonymous proxies who lead lives of lutz.--[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 20:38, 21 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:::::::Ah, you mean [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]]? I should have known that such trolls would be from that online gutter! [[User:PeterUker|PeterUker]] 20:52, 21 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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== ''Teen''agers ==<br />
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&lt;!-- Hi, just found this excellent website whilst searching for information on young Kathryn Aurora Gray's outstanding achievement - I will certainly be reading through a lot more articles here and encourage my friends at church to do the same!<br />
However --&gt;I noticed that there are a few people on this list that are not teenagers and so must have been added by mistake - shall I go ahead and remove them so that the article's content matches its title? I don't want to do so without asking as I'm new here. &lt;!-- Thanks and God bless.--&gt; [[User:BobG|BobG]] 12:55, 5 January 2011 (EST)<br />
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:You haven't said what you think are mistakes. Go ahead and edit the content entry and let's what you think are mistakes.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 13:14, 5 January 2011 (EST)<br />
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:Bob, the individuals listed with a non-teen year obviously had remarkable contributions as teenagers also.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 13:45, 5 January 2011 (EST)<br />
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::Sorry, I hadn't realized that! Shall we rephrase their entries in order to make that clear, such as by listing the teenage achievements primarily (along with the age at that point) and giving the currently listed achievements as footnotes or 'also achieved' in parentheses)? If you can help me finding information on these teenage achievements I'd be delighted to take on the task! Thanks. [[User:BobG|BobG]] 14:45, 5 January 2011 (EST)<br />
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Apart from the interesting idea that 10 year-old Kathryn Aurora Gray is a [[teenager]], is a source (from main page news report - which I added to entry) like [[CNN]], owned by [[leftist]] mogul [[Ted Turner]], with its [[liberal bias]] and support for the [[liberal]] agenda really a reliable source? The article claims the supernova happened 240 million years ago which is patent nonsense since that predates [[creation]]. CNN also claim that the girl’s father was an amateur astronomer, however, according to [http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/01/10-year-old-girl-becomes-youngest-person-to-discover-a-supernova/68911/ this source] the girl’s father is a professional astronomer, so it seems extremely likely that this is an example of [[liberal deceit]] and [[professor values]] where unjustified claims of expertise and knowledge are being made on behalf of a child in a [[Narcissism|narcissistic]] frenzy of publicity seeking [[liberal arrogance]]. [[User:AmandaBunting|AmandaBunting]] 14:21, 6 January 2011 (EST)<br />
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:The quibble is over the term &quot;teenagers&quot;, and this suggestion could be made into a constructive one if we renamed the article to something like [[Great achievements by young people]]. <br />
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:As a middle aged man, I am far from discouraging the next generation to make contributions. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:45, 7 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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== Zuckerberg &quot;commercializes&quot; Facebook==<br />
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I'm curious about the choice of words for the Zuckerberg entry. Why &quot;commercialized&quot; instead of &quot;created&quot;? Is it because there's an argument over who really created the site? &quot;Commercializing&quot; doesn't seem like such a great achievement. [[User:EMorris|EMorris]] 11:47, 7 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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:My understanding is that Facebook was created for Harvard students, and existed in that form before it was commercialized. I agree that commercializing something is not as great an achievement as other items on the list.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 12:02, 7 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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== A question about achievements ==<br />
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''Most of the great achievements throughout history in the fields of art, culture, science and technology have been by teenagers.'' If this is so, the list of remarkble teenager should include only those whose achievement is impressive for a man (or woman!) of any age. Aschlafly, you ''trimmed'' away some teenagers who don't fall into this category, but there are more dubious case, like:<br />
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*Michael Kerney: ''the world's youngest university graduate'' <br />
*Jonathan Krohn: ''homeschooled, actor, internet radio host, guest speaker at CPAC, author of Defining Conservatism.''<br />
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== Cameron D ==<br />
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Please don't delete huge chucks of the page like that. First of all, the &quot;age&quot; question is already addressed in three places here on the talk page - did you read the discussion before editing? And if you claim the &quot;19&quot; info is incorrect please prove it - I've seen several sources that say 19 was the average age. It's just not cool to go around deleting information from articles when there is no need, we are trying to build an encyclopedia, so why don't you add some information to an existing page or create a new page, instead of tearing down existing articles? Thanks, [[User:Taj|Taj]] 21:23, 9 May 2013 (EDT)</div>Tajhttp://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Great_Achievements_by_Teenagers&diff=1051489Great Achievements by Teenagers2013-05-10T01:16:35Z<p>Taj: Reverted edits by CameronD (talk) to last revision by DonnyC</p>
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<div>Most of the '''great achievements''' throughout history in the fields of art, culture, science and technology have been by '''teenagers'''. This may be because they are able to think in new and innovative ways, or their thinking is not hidebound by discredited nostrums. It may be due to the emergence of God-given talent at an early age, and the natural open-mindedness of young people before they may experience attempts to indoctrinate them towards certain worldviews. Biologically the rate of brain development, and according to some studies [[IQ]], reportedly peak in smart individuals just prior to their teenage years.&lt;ref&gt;http://articles.latimes.com/2006/mar/30/science/sci-brain30&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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==Achievements, listed by age at which they were made==<br />
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* '''7''' - Yehudi Menuhin gives his first solo violin performance with the San Francisco Symphony in 1923.<br />
* '''8''' - [[Frederic Chopin]] plays his first public piano performance, having already composed two polonaises (G minor and B flat major) at age 7.<br />
* '''10''' - [[Mark]], author of the [[Gospel of Mark]], witnesses the arrest of Jesus and develops the first [[Gospel]].<br />
&lt;!--* '''10''' - Michael Kearney, [[homeschooled]], becomes the world's youngest university graduate.&lt;ref&gt;He earned a bachelor's degree from the University of South Alabama.&lt;/ref&gt;At age 17, began a teaching career at college.&lt;ref&gt;[http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080617185918AAum3vj Who is the YOUNGEST person to graduate college?] Yahoo Answers&lt;/ref&gt; --&gt;<br />
* '''12''' - [[Blaise Pascal]] had secretly worked out the first twenty-three propositions of Euclid by himself.<br />
* '''12''' - [[Jesus]] presents His wisdom in the temple in [[Jerusalem]].<br />
* '''12''' - William &quot;Willie&quot; Johnson earned the [[Medal of Honor]] for his actions during the [[Seven Days Battle]] and on the [[Peninsula Campaign]] during the [[American Civil War]]. [http://www.homeofheroes.com/moh/citations_1862_cwh/johnston_willie.html]<br />
&lt;!--* '''13''' - [[Jonathan Krohn]] homeschooled, actor, internet radio host, guest speaker at [[CPAC]], author of ''Defining Conservatism''. --&gt;<br />
* '''13''' - [[John]] wrote the first draft of the [[Gospel of John]], the greatest written work of all time.&lt;ref&gt;[[Mystery:Was John a Child?]]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
* '''13''' - [[Joan of Arc]] was inspired and led [[France]] five years later to victory over the English in the [[Hundred Years War]]; was martyred at age 19.&lt;ref&gt;http://www.discoverfrance.net/France/History/Joan_of_Arc.shtml&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
* '''13''' - [[Anne Frank]] began writing her diary, later published as &quot;Anne Frank: The Diary of a Young Girl.&quot;<br />
* '''14''' - [[David]] slays [[Goliath]].<br />
* '''14''' - Ismail founded the Safavid dynasty and became its &quot;shah&quot; (military and spiritual ruler)<br />
* '''14''' - [[Bobby Fischer]] became an International [[Chess]] Grandmaster.<br />
* '''14''' - [[Mozart]] wrote the opera, &quot;Mitridate Rè di Ponto.&quot;<br />
* '''14''' - [[Nadia Comaneci]] &quot;achieved in her sport what no [[Olympian]], male or female, ever had before: perfection.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/events/1996/olympics/daily/july25/flashback.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
* '''14''' - [[St. Theresa of Lisieux]] rejected by Bishop Hugonin, pleads with Pope Leo XIII so she may enter the Carmelites. Became Carmelite nun at age 15. <br />
* '''14''' - Bernadette Soubirous (St Bernadette of Lourdes) has a vision of the Virgin Mary<br />
* '''14''' - The publication of Charles Schulz's first drawing of a dog, which became an inspiration for his cartoon strip ''Peanuts'' about a dog named Snoopy&lt;ref&gt;http://www.ripleys.com/weird/daily-dose-of-weird-wtf-blog/unbelievable-but-true/charles-schults-snoopy-was-first-a-believe-it-or-not/&lt;/ref&gt; <br />
* '''14''' - Aaron Swartz develops RSS. Swartz would go on to contest the private ownership of data by trying to liberate millions of academic articles from a corporation. <br />
*'''15''' - Jack Andraka developed a new method to detect pancreatic [[cancer]]. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/education/competitions/international-science-and-engineering-fair/winners.htl]<br />
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* '''15''' - [[Louis Braille]] invented the [[Braille]] system.<br />
* '''15''' - [[Christopher Paolini]] writes the first draft of his [[Eragon]] trilogy which is published when he is 19.<br />
* '''16''' - Jean-François Champollion, can speak a dozen languages and delivers a paper on the Coptic language to the Grenoble Academy. By 20, he can speak another 13 languages and at 32 he deciphers the [[Rosetta Stone]].<br />
* '''16''' - Boy sailor Jack Cornwall, of HMS Chester, is awarded a [[posthumous]] [[VC]] for gallantry at the [[Battle of Jutland]].<br />
* '''16''' - the average age of 58 [[homeschooled]] teenagers who founded Conservapedia, so that the light of truth would continue to shine and darkness would not overcome it.<br />
* '''16''' - [[Franz Schubert]] wrote his First Symphony; having already composed songs, chamber pieces etc.,<br />
* '''16''' - [[Sun Myung Moon]] writes [[Crown of Glory]].<br />
* '''17''' - Cassie Bernall defended her [[faith]] in front of an [[atheistic]] gunman at the [[Columbine massacre]], and was martyred for it&lt;ref&gt;Two witnesses, Craig Scott and Joshua Lapp, confirmed a question-and-answer confrontation; others said Cassie was praying when murdered.[http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/c/cassie.htm]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
* '''17''' - [[Georges Bizet]] wrote his Symphony in C of which is heard frequently today.<br />
* '''17*''' - [[Mary]] accepts [[God]]'s will to conceive [[Jesus]] by the [[Holy Spirit]], and gives birth nine months later.&lt;ref&gt;Mary's exact age is not known, but she was old enough to marry under Jewish law and was almost certainly a teenager.[http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15464b.htm]&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
* '''17''' - Shawn Fanning develops the first large-scale peer-to-peer file sharing program, Napster<br />
* '''17''' - Private 1st Class Jacklyn H. Lucas, [[United States Marine Corps]], earned the [[Medal of Honor]] five days after his 17th birthday during the [[Iwo Jima]] battle in [[World War II]]; he was a Marine for ''three years''. [http://www.homeofheroes.com/moh/citations_living/ii_mc_lucas.html]<br />
* '''17''' - [[Mendelssohn]] composed his Octet, widely considered the best of its genre. He had already written 12 string symphonies by age 14.<br />
* '''17''' - [[Pele]] scored six goals in four games in the 1958 [[World Cup]], including perhaps the finest goal ever in the finals, leading [[Brazil]] to the championship.<br />
* '''18''' - Lila Rose, a [[UCLA]] student who had been [[homeschooled]], goes undercover and does a stinging expose of an [[abortion]] clinic.&lt;ref&gt;http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2007/may/07051504&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
* '''18''' - Shawn Goldsmith from Long Island has earned all 121 merit badges offered by the Boy Scouts. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,473964,00.html Boy Scout Earns All 121 Merit Badges] AP, December 30, 2008&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
* '''18''' - [[Mary Shelley]] writes Frankenstein (The Modern Prometheus), later published when she was 21.<br />
* '''18''' - [[Kasparov|Garry Kasparov]], considered the greatest [[chess]] player ever, won the [[U.S.S.R.]] championship.<br />
* '''19''' - Captain Albert Ball, [[VC]], MC, DSO &amp; 2 bars, commences his career as a fighter pilot. By the time he is killed, aged 20, in 1917, he has become one of the [[First World War]]'s greatest air aces, accounting for at least 44 [[German]] aircraft.<br />
* '''19''' - was the average age of front-line [[US]] service personnel fighting to defend democracy in [[Indochina]] during the [[Vietnam War]].<br />
* '''19''' - [[Evariste Galois]] applies [[group theory]] to the unsolvability of polynomial equations, before his death in a duel at age 20.<br />
* '''19''' - [[Babe Ruth]] began playing for the Boston Red Sox, in what would become the greatest baseball career in history.<br />
* '''19''' - Kirani James won the first [[Olympics|Olympic]] gold medal for the small nation of [[Grenada]], as the first non-[[America]]n to run 400 meters in less than 44 seconds.<br />
* '''19''' - [[John D. Rockefeller]] starts a new company, turning an enormous profit in its first year, and became the most influential businessman in history.&lt;ref&gt;http://www.notablebiographies.com/Pu-Ro/Rockefeller-John-D.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
* '''19''' - [[Steve Jobs]] begins collaborating in electronics with Steve Wozniak&lt;ref&gt;http://www.ideafinder.com/history/inventors/jobs.htm&lt;/ref&gt; in electronics, and developed the personal computer within two years.<br />
* '''19''' - [[Mark Zuckerberg]] commercializes [[Facebook]], which later became the leading social networking system on the [[internet]].<br />
* '''19''' - Jim Ryun broke the world record for running the mile.<br />
* '''19''' - [[Bill Gates]] co-founds [[Microsoft]].<br />
* '''20''' - Carl Friedrich Gauss makes his first mathematical discoveries, which will lead to the completion of &quot;Disquisitiones Arithmeticae&quot;, his magnum opus, at the age of 21.<br />
* '''20''' - Willis Carrier invents modern air conditioning.<br />
* '''20''' - Trevor Bayne, who had been [[homeschooled]], became the youngest driver to win a Daytona 500 race.<br />
* '''20''' - [[Tim Tebow]], who had been [[homeschooled]], became the first sophomore and also the youngest person to win the [[Heisman Trophy]].&lt;ref&gt;Subsequently, in 2009, a 19-year-old won the trophy also.&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
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== See also ==<br />
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*[[Gallery of American Heroes]]<br />
*[[Gallery of British Heroes]]<br />
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==External Links==<br />
*[http://listverse.com/miscellaneous/top-10-child-prodigies/ Top 10 Child Prodigies]<br />
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==References==<br />
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<div>{{Dictator bio<br />
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| name =Idi Amin Dada<br />
| birth =May 17, 1928&lt;br/&gt;Koboko, Uganda<br />
| parents =Andreas Nyabire&lt;br/&gt;Assa Aatte<br />
| religion =Islam<br />
| education =<br />
| spouse =<br />
| children =<br />
| death =August 16, 2003&lt;br/&gt;Jeddah, Saudi-Arabia<br />
| deathmanner =<br />
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| country =[[Uganda]]<br />
| military =n/a<br />
| rank =n/a<br />
| polbeliefs =Islamism<br />
| party =<br />
| dictatordate =January 25, 1971<br />
| war =[[First Uganda-Tanzania War]]&lt;br/&gt;[[Second Uganda-Tanzania War]]<br />
| deathnumber =300,000+<br />
}}<br />
General '''Idi Amin Dada''' (1923 - 2003) (commonly known as '''Idi Amin''') was the [[Muslim]]&lt;ref&gt;[http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3156011.stm The Idi Amin I knew - BBC]&lt;/ref&gt; [[dictator]] of [[Uganda]] for 8 years in the 1970s. Idi Amin held power from 1971 until 1979. In 1970 the British government established [[gun control]] laws which aided in Idi Amin's ability to hold power. He executed mass [[genocide]]s against his people in order to stay in power and suffered from extreme [[paranoia]] and arrogance. His efforts and [[ideology]] spread to neighboring countries such as [[Rwanda]], [[Burundi]] and [[Tanzania]]. When he was threatened by [[UN|United Nations]] forces with the possibility of a trial for [[crimes against humanity]], he fled to the [[Middle East]] where he was harbored for 25 years without punishment until the end of his natural life. Under his rule, more than 300,000 oppositionals were killed, include Christians.<br />
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There have been several movies about Idi Amin, including the 1974 film ''&quot;General Idi Amin Dada'' &lt;ref&gt;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071544/&lt;/ref&gt; and the [[Academy Award]]-winning film ''&quot;The Last King of Scotland&quot;''. &lt;ref&gt;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0455590/&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
== References ==<br />
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==External Links==<br />
*[http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/2003/aug/18/guardianobituaries Idi Amin Obituary]<br />
*[http://atrocities-of-amin.blogspot.com/ Atrocities of Amin]<br />
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==See also==<br />
*[[Robert Mugabe]]<br />
*[[Mengistu Haile Mariam]]<br />
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<div>{{Dictator bio<br />
| image =<br />
| name =Idi Amin Dada<br />
| birth =May 17, 1928&lt;br/&gt;Koboko, Uganda<br />
| parents =Andreas Nyabire&lt;br/&gt;Assa Aatte<br />
| religion =Islam<br />
| education =<br />
| spouse =<br />
| children =<br />
| death =August 16, 2003&lt;br/&gt;Jeddah, Saudi-Arabia<br />
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| military =n/a<br />
| rank =n/a<br />
| polbeliefs =Islamism<br />
| party =<br />
| dictatordate =January 25, 1971<br />
| war =[[First Uganda-Tanzania War]]&lt;br/&gt;[[Second Uganda-Tanzania War]]<br />
| deathnumber =300,000+<br />
}}<br />
General '''Idi Amin Dada''' (1923 - 2003) (commonly known as '''Idi Amin''') was the [[Muslim]]&lt;ref&gt;[http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3156011.stm The Idi Amin I knew - BBC]&lt;/ref&gt; [[dictator]] of [[Uganda]] for 8 years in the 1970s. Idi Amin held power from 1971 until 1979. In 1970 the British government established [[gun control]] laws which aided in Idi Amin's ability to hold power. He executed mass [[genocide]]s against his people in order to stay in power and suffered from extreme [[paranoia]] and arrogance. His efforts and [[ideology]] spread to neighboring countries such as [[Rwanda]], [[Burundi]] and [[Tanzania]]. When he was threatened by [[UN|United Nations]] forces with the possibility of a trial for [[crimes against humanity]], he fled to the [[Middle East]] where he was harbored for 25 years without punishment until the end of his natural life. Under his rule, more than 300,000 oppositionals were killed, include Christians.<br />
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There have been several movies about Idi Amin, including the 1974 film ''&quot;General Idi Amin Dada'' &lt;ref&gt;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071544/&lt;/ref&gt; and the [[Academy Award]]-winning film ''&quot;The Last King of Scotland&quot;''. &lt;ref&gt;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0455590/&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
== References ==<br />
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{{reflist}}<br />
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==External Links==<br />
*[http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/2003/aug/18/guardianobituaries Idi Amin Obituary]<br />
*[http://atrocities-of-amin.blogspot.com/ Atrocities of Amin]<br />
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<div>{{Dictator bio<br />
| image =<br />
| name =Idi Amin Dada<br />
| birth =May 17, 1928&lt;br/&gt;Koboko, Uganda<br />
| parents =Andreas Nyabire&lt;br/&gt;Assa Aatte<br />
| religion =Islam<br />
| education =<br />
| spouse =<br />
| children =<br />
| death =August 16, 2003&lt;br/&gt;Jeddah, Saudi-Arabia<br />
| deathmanner =<br />
| burial =<br />
| country =[[Uganda]]<br />
| military =n/a<br />
| rank =n/a<br />
| polbeliefs =Islamism<br />
| party =<br />
| dictatordate =January 25, 1971<br />
| war =[[First Uganda-Tanzania War]]&lt;br/&gt;[[Second Uganda-Tanzania War]]<br />
| deathnumber =300,000+<br />
}}<br />
General '''Idi Amin Dada''' (1923 - 2003) (commonly known as '''Idi Amin''') was the [[Muslim]]&lt;ref&gt;[http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3156011.stm The Idi Amin I knew - BBC]&lt;/ref&gt; [[dictator]] of [[Uganda]] for 8 years in the 1970s. Idi Amin held power from 1971 until 1979. In 1970 the British government established [[gun control]] laws which aided in Idi Amin's ability to hold power. He executed mass [[genocide]]s against his people in order to stay in power and suffered from extreme [[paranoia]] and arrogance. His efforts and [[ideology]] spread to neighboring countries such as [[Rwanda]], [[Burundi]] and [[Tanzania]]. When he was threatened by [[UN|United Nations]] forces with the possibility of a trial for [[crimes against humanity]], he fled to the [[Middle East]] where he was harbored for 25 years without punishment until the end of his natural life. Under his rule, more than 300,000 oppositionals were killed, include Christians.<br />
<br />
There have been several movies about Idi Amin, including the 1974 film ''&quot;General Idi Amin Dada'' &lt;ref&gt;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071544/&lt;/ref&gt; and the [[Academy Award]]-winning film ''&quot;The Last King of Scotland&quot;''. &lt;ref&gt;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0455590/&lt;/ref&gt;<br />
== References ==<br />
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{{reflist}}<br />
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==External Links==<br />
*[http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/2003/aug/18/guardianobituaries Idi Amin Obituary]<br />
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