Posted 08 November 2012 - 08:44 PM

Posted 08 November 2012 - 08:50 PM

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The XYZ Material leaves the field a XYZ Material and is sent to the Graveyard a Monster Card. Example Sangan won't activate but Dandylion will.

Definitely WRONG. XYZ Material enter the grave as XYZ material and not monster card. The reason why Sangan doesn't activate is because it wasn't sent from field to grave since it was xyz material. The reason why Dandylion effect activates is because it's simply when it's sent to grave, doesn't matter if its monster card or not, as long as it hits the grave, its effect activates.

Posted 09 November 2012 - 03:58 AM

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Definitely WRONG. XYZ Material enter the grave as XYZ material and not monster card. The reason why Sangan doesn't activate is because it wasn't sent from field to grave since it was xyz material. The reason why Dandylion effect activates is because it's simply when it's sent to grave, doesn't matter if its monster card or not, as long as it hits the grave, its effect activates.

XYZ material enters the grave as a monster card, as any other example of a monster that was something else on the field and changed in its way to the graveyard. The fact that Sangan doesn't get its effect doesn't depend on the fact that it doesn't hit the grave as a monster. It's "from the field to the Graveyard" clause was not true. Keep in mind that a Sangan that was equipped to something like Relinquished is treated as a spell card on the field but switches to a monster card when it hits the graveyard. So, as you can see it doesn't really matter in what "form" the monster begins its way to the graveyard, it always ends up there as a monster card.

As for the Dimensional Fissure VS Coffin Seller text similarity, we can probably "blame" PSCT (or actually, the lack of PSCT) on Coffin Seller.

This is why Dimensional Fissure doesn't have any effect on XYZ materials. "Any monstersent to the Graveyard is banished instead.". When an XYZ material gets detached we are not talking about a monster. That's why Fissure doesn't "see" it as one and allows it to hit the grave. It "checks" what is heading to the grave when that something leaves the field. At that moment it's not a monster card, so it leaves it alone. Also, the "instead" part makes Dimensional Fissure to check everything before it hits the grave, so as to banish it before it gets there. Monsters are not sent to the grave and then banished, they re-route when they leave the field.

Coffin Seller's text is not written in the proper "form" that its rulings suggest. The OCG ruling (http://www.db.yugioh...keyword=&tag=-1) states that the XYZ materials removed still work for the effect of Coffin Seller. That suggests that Coffin Seller checks the "type" of the card when it has already arrived to the graveyard, seeing it as a monster card and inflicting damage. Since that rulings is relatively new (July 20th, 2012) I am inclined to believe that the problem lies in the old Coffin Seller's text, and not in the way that konami wants it used.

That being said, that was a mere rationalization, not anything official (apart from the OCG ruling). I hope we can consider this solved.

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