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Thursday, March 25, 2010

Final Vote - Health Insurance Reform Passes!

The U.S. House of Representatives passed the big health insurance bill for the final vote tonight at about 7:58 pm. I feel somewhat good about this. Yeah it's kind of scary taking this on, but somthng had to be done.

19 comments:

Doing "something" doesn't have to be the same as doing "anything". Congress should have started in baby steps by expanding Medicare and Medicaid. That would have been logical. Instead of using a little logic, we continue to grow our mostly useless federal government so that we can follow several European countries into a medically socialized bankruptcy. We do need to help our poor but I think this will hurt more than it will help.

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Terrible day in the history of this country! More Fraud and corruption. Any person who agrees with this decision and process WHILE TRYING TO enforce it will BE LAUGHED AT IN THE FUTURE AND MET WITH RESISTANCE - MARK MY WORDS!

I don't see this as growing the government so much as growing the private sector insurance companies.That's the part I don't like. I am for a single payer system where everone that works, pays into it.It would be easier to enforce, increase the size of the pool and bring this country into the 21st. Century.

"easier to enforce" Brother, in those three words we find liberties taken away and replaced with threats of imprisonment. This amounts to a tax for being alive. The U.S. government taxes us for being productive members of society and even for dying. Now they get to tax us for simply being alive!!! This is a life tax!!!!!!!!!

Big Brother WANTS every human being to pay into THEIR SYSTEM. In other words, Government does not like hill billies, rural folks, back to landers, etc. because these folks save more money by living apart from society more so than all the other posers who just have to have concrete and steel to look at every single day. You see, when each human robot represents $$$$$$$$$$$$ in the eyes of those whom voters elect, then you live in penury as an economic slave. Funny how time flys.

Then, when a person's livlihood is threatened (Yes, a life can me murdered without a dead body), that person reacts and defends himself or herself, even though government has come up with fancy wordplays like domestic terrorist, etc... to imprison some of the most trustworthy, ethical and honsts citizens society has to offer. What is left is a society in the streets full of dummies, minions and stool pigeons, even locally.

Brainwashed humans are just as bad as the murderers and rapists in society. Oh, the Pain!

Not quite Jeffrey. A lot of people in our great country are feeling the pain of this crappy economy and have been doing so for so long that they have forgotten what it means to have 40%-50% or even more taken out of your pay check for taxes. If the union members (public and private) as well as lower income earners could feel what it is like to work 50-60 hours per week as I do only to have government, local and federal, extend their hands to take about HALF of the fruits of my labor, then we might actually see a declination to grow government. The public needs to be reminded of what brought down the USSR, crumbling Cuba, and is slowly bankrupting Europe: socialization. Socialization is an excellent private sector endeavor for churches and community groups. It is bad policy for government which always leads to the same outcome - complete economic collapse.

It seems that at every step of the way with the passage of new law, legislatures are quick to say that ONLY THOSE EARNING (fill in amount) WILL BE BURDENED. Just because one segment of society earns more money than another does not make taxes ok. Our federal government has only a handful of jobs that it was charged with: protect our borders from foreign invaders (FAILED), regulate interstate commerce (FAILED), and protect it's people from infringement on our civil rights (FAILED).Those with kids will understand this analogy: Children will always ask their parents for money and candy and whatever else the child’s whims bring about. Whether good or healthy, the child wants, wants, wants with an insatiable appetite. The parent can give in our not. As soon as you give in it reinforces the child's position of strength. When the parent holds firm to their job of being the parent, the child can only whine. Government is supposed to be limited because we the children are running it. As the kids have learned, we can eat out of the cookie jar if we want to. Might doesn’t make right.

Lot's of anger there Jeffrey. Getting a little dramatic don't you think? What if the Republicans/Conservatives/Tea Baggers were in charge of the country?

Do you think they would get rid of taxes? Really?And, for the sake of agruement,if they did get rid of them then who pays for our infrastructure? Roads, repairing court houses, funding police departments and fire services are just some of the things we require to function as a society.I can name more, but hopefully you understand what I'm saying. The grass will always be greener on the other side.When economic hard times hit (as in the Great Depression)people become dissatisfied with the current government that got them there.

Obama did not lead our country into economic chaos. Bush and buddies did and that's history. No amount of rhetoric can change the fact that two terms of Bush in charge of our governemnt led us into two senseless wars that are draining our coffers, and an economic collapse just short of the Great Depression.

What's Obama done in his first year that caused your taxes to go up? Here's a sobering fact;taxes went down $322 billion since he has been in office! The despised stimulus package that angered so many Republicans and Conservatives, was instrumental in producing 40 percent tax cuts for Americans.

Yes, the health bill is going to cause some taxes to go up. But look at the long range picture that shows services are going to increase for a majority of Americans. Nothing is without a price. No free lunch remember?Our health care system was broken. Now there's hope for the future.

At least wait and see how your friends, neighbors, and millions of other Americans are really treated. The law just went into effect.

Going by what reallys happens, and not your fears for the future, might make for a more peaceful existense.

Greg, Although I would agree with what you stated (my blogging for the past several years is transparent), I do not understand "Not quite Jeffrey". Please clarify.

Dave - Anger??? Heck no, gleefully with knowledge. The truth of the matter is that it is not an argument to discuss the basic necessities and infrastructure that MOST people use (I being a user of this infrastructure); rather, it is about WASTE - waste of tax dollars, waste of future wealth because of debt, war, population over-loads, resource extractions, power and wealth seeking more power and wealth, so many things that are unfolding.

Only those who understand Mathematics, Fiat Currency and Corporate Abusery can truly understand the scope of America's problems. Obama, Bush, keep going back, way back - MOST all added DEBT while contributing through schemes and kickbacks and subsidies and, and, and to essentially r a p e your wallet, mind and trust (if you were not one of the lucky ones educated enough to understand mathematics).

So, really not an issue to debate with myself because when Obama started "paying off" the Wall Streeters with printed money that was front-loaded as revenue and back-loaded as debt with yearly interest being paid for with current incomes taxes collected out of your paycheck, he decided to continue what Bush and previous prez's have done - no different (if your one of the lucky ones to still have a job).

Health Care is another grab TO SAVE unfunded mandates and special interests. The system is out of whack! Whose fault is it????Not government!(Yeah right) Problem = no more money!(So true - wasted!) Resolution = steal it from others through force (make the good folks pay for the brainwashed folks - ya more people are getting a clue).

As an aside scoff - when couples decide to have a child, they better go file a document in the county recorders office that is a disclaimer that their child will be aware of the fact that they must insure their life at some point in time; AND, when the parents get a divorce, mediation should be interesting with funded mandates and all for health insurance for dependents (the children).

Jeffrey LytleMcKinleyville - 5th District

Now it is true too that in blogosphere world, those who are the minions and stool pigeons will counter-argue to protect the establishment.

"Exactly Greg," Exactly what I said, no more, no less. I thought you might be adding words to my statement. This is the Dems response to the Patriot Act. Not tit for tat but equal in magnitude: expensive, expansive, and over reaching.

"Only those who understand Mathematics, Fiat Currency and Corporate Abusery can truly understand the scope of America's problems."

Gee...I guess I just have no idea of what's happening to our country because (see quote above)I don't fit into that all wise space you're in.What's it feel like to always be right? It must get boring after awhile.

I noticed you didn't say a thing about the facts I posted. There was nothing to say because they're accurate. So you ignored them and went off into a rambling dissertation.Quote: "Now it is true too that in blogosphere world, those who are the minions and stool pigeons will counter-argue to protect the establishment."

I guess I better not try to sensibly discuss this issue any further or I'm going to be a "minion and a stool pigeon" for not agreeing with you.

I've always found it difficult to talk with people who use rhetoric rather than facts to make a point.

I think we are on the same page then. My "exactly blah blah" was in reference to this:"Brother, in those three words we find liberties taken away and replaced with threats of imprisonment. This amounts to a tax for being alive. The U.S. government taxes us for being productive members of society and even for dying. Now they get to tax us for simply being alive!!! This is a life tax!!!!!!!!!"

Dave: I don't believe I said you did not understand mathematics; or fiat monies; or corporate abusery, etc...

Your facts: I corrected your misunderstandings, hardly an ignoring action. Treading into a riptide of deceit is futile. Good Luck sir.

I just wish they had left out many of the 100 republican amendments. The idea of a penalty or tax for those that do not contribute was a republican idea. Sure, some of the republican ideas were good but since they didn't want to vote for it anyway, the democrats should have just gone in for Medicare for all and settled for a public option. The democrats blew it and tried to be bipartisan. For what? Certainly not for their votes.

It's odd that the we ( Greg and Jeffrey ) dislike the bill for many of the same republican ideas inserted into it.Democrats can learn something from this. They can learn to just say no to obstructionist republicans.

Representative Anthony Weiner from New York sponsored a bill last year to abolish Medicare.No one voted for it. Not a single conservative republican thought that Medicare should be abolished. Not a single person in the entire House of Representatives voted for it. Everyone likes it more than they dislike it.

It is possible that with some fixes, Insurance Reform, like Medicare, will become something that all would prefer over the republican alternative of doing nothing.

Insurance reform is one thing. Giving all people in the U.S. medical coverage with a huge tax penalty or else they go to jail is the ridiculous law that was passed. The Democats and Rebuglicans are both bad for We The People. Why can't they use a little logic like Medicare expansion?

California has the Department of Managed Health which fights for fairness for people with HMOs that are slow to provide coverage or just flat out denying them coverage. Blue Cross thought they didn't have to cover something with my medical. I sent a letter to the Dept. of Managed Health. They had me answer some questions and Blue Cross gave in quickly. No one is denied emergency care in California as a matter of policy. Unfortunately, many can't afford basic care. Those are the basics of healthcare in California. An expansion of Medicare would fill the gap. But no, let's waste money and time reinventing the wheel.

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