I suspect the guy paid (or otherwise induced) someone to punch him in the head. It's a total fascist right meme to make out like the left is all about physical violence and the right is all cream puffs except for officially sanctioned violence.

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Yes, if you want to legitimise their friends' violence against your friends.

I think it legitimizes them when people treat them like they're normal humans with valid opinions that merit some kind of civil debate rather than a solid punch in the head.

They don't care about legitimacy, and they thrive on people's natural impulses to be polite and to avoid confrontation. It normalizes and emboldens them.

They're violent no matter what, and all not punching them accomplishes is that it makes them comfortable. They don't understand much, but they do understand fear, and once they learn to fear being punched in the head every time they start to spout their Nazi shit, they will stop doing it in public.

I think it legitimizes them when people treat them like they're normal humans with valid opinions that merit some kind of civil debate rather than a solid punch in the head.

So you are advocating the way the Nazis took power in Germany.

lol @ how stupid liberals are

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Yes, if you want to legitimise their friends' violence against your friends.

I think it legitimizes them when people treat them like they're normal humans with valid opinions that merit some kind of civil debate rather than a solid punch in the head.

They don't care about legitimacy, and they thrive on people's natural impulses to be polite and to avoid confrontation. It normalizes and emboldens them.

They're violent no matter what, and all not punching them accomplishes is that it makes them comfortable. They don't understand much, but they do understand fear, and once they learn to fear being punched in the head every time they start to spout their Nazi shit, they will stop doing it in public.

This pretty much sums up my thoughts as well. "Live and let live" is often a nice philosophy, but it breaks down with people who are not willing to let live. Nazis are, of course, a fundamental exception to this rule; their entire world view is based around not letting people they disagree with continue to live. There is no room for rational discourse here, and attempting to have such a discourse with them legitimises them in a way they don't deserve. Nazis don't respond to rational arguments; they respond to violence. So let them be subjected to violence.

I also am sceptical to the idea that being subjected to violence makes them more sympathetic. Their entire position is fundamentally based on violence. While in the overwhelming majority of cases I do not believe in the legitimacy of preemptive attacks, this is one case where I am willing to make an exception. I'm advocating for Nazis to be punched in the face, while they're advocating for Jews to be put into ovens, so both sides do it! Seriously, though, I am entirely okay with making Nazis afraid to show their faces in public. This is how it was in this country before Herr Gropenführer took office, and it should be the natural order of things. If restoring it means that a few, or even more than a few, Nazis have to be punched in the face (or in other delicate parts of their anatomy), that's a small price to pay.

In short, Make Racists Afraid Again.

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I suspect the guy paid (or otherwise induced) someone to punch him in the head. It's a total fascist right meme to make out like the left is all about physical violence and the right is all cream puffs except for officially sanctioned violence.

Well, he did induce him by being a Nazi, but I'm not seeing where you think it's fake. I don't know for sure, but that guy is dressed pretty Black Bloc. He's probably an anarchist.

And who is going to be swayed by actual fascists memes claiming that it's somehow "liberals" who are violent, and not them, the ones whose entire raison d'etre is genocide?

I get a little tired of the constant focus on fucking "optics," like being polite and civil is somehow magically going to make people be reasonable. Because it's pretty obviously not true. If you didn't know that already, we recently saw that demonstrated.

And to be clear, I'm not talking about punching Nazis in the heads while they're minding their own business.* I'm talking about punching them in the heads when they are actively saying Nazi stuff, as negative reinforcement.

I should add that I'm not certain punching Nazis in the head actually counts as preemptive violence, anyway. There are six million members of my ethnic background who are no longer with us as a direct result of the actions of Nazis. It's pretty difficult to argue for any attacks on Nazis as being preemptive after that.

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I suspect the guy paid (or otherwise induced) someone to punch him in the head. It's a total fascist right meme to make out like the left is all about physical violence and the right is all cream puffs except for officially sanctioned violence.

Well, he did induce him by being a Nazi, but I'm not seeing where you think it's fake. I don't know for sure, but that guy is dressed pretty Black Bloc. He's probably an anarchist.

And who is going to be swayed by actual fascists memes claiming that it's somehow "liberals" who are violent, and not them, the ones whose entire raison d'etre is genocide?

I get a little tired of the constant focus on fucking "optics," like being polite and civil is somehow magically going to make people be reasonable. Because it's pretty obviously not true. If you didn't know that already, we recently saw that demonstrated.

I usually don't have much time for the Black Bloc, but this is one case where they did the world a favour. Punching Nazis in the head may be the cause that gets the entire left to unite.

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“If you took the most ardent revolutionary, vested him in absolute power, within a year he would be worse than the Tsar himself.” -Mikhail Bakunin

It looks fake. The assailant led off by clapping his left hand on Spence's shoulder. This is an unnatural and ineffective way to go about delivering a punch in the face. Then he really just pushed from Spence's right to left on the side of his head/neck with his right forearm. A glancing blow at best. It was way more of shove then a punch. Looks staged to me.

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I'm inclined to say "no." But alas, it's all too true that you can't have a rational conversation with such a person. In fact, they're counting on their opponents to be passive and to try to "reason" with them -- while they have no intention of being either passive or reasonable.

"All that's necessary for evil to triump is for good people to do nothing," after all.

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"Live and let live" is often a nice philosophy, but it breaks down with people who are not willing to let live. Nazis are, of course, a fundamental exception to this rule; their entire world view is based around not letting people they disagree with continue to live. There is no room for rational discourse here, and attempting to have such a discourse with them legitimises them in a way they don't deserve. Nazis don't respond to rational arguments; they respond to violence. So let them be subjected to violence.

I also am sceptical to the idea that being subjected to violence makes them more sympathetic. Their entire position is fundamentally based on violence. While in the overwhelming majority of cases I do not believe in the legitimacy of preemptive attacks, this is one case where I am willing to make an exception. I'm advocating for Nazis to be punched in the face, while they're advocating for Jews to be put into ovens, so both sides do it! Seriously, though, I am entirely okay with making Nazis afraid to show their faces in public. This is how it was in this country before Herr Gropenführer took office, and it should be the natural order of things. If restoring it means that a few, or even more than a few, Nazis have to be punched in the face (or in other delicate parts of their anatomy), that's a small price to pay.

In short, Make Racists Afraid Again.

The event does look suspicious, though. For one, the attacker didn't know how to throw a punch, or if he did, he was deliberately doing a terrible job of it.

But then, it's not as if the average person on the street is a trained boxer or karateka.

In short, I don't think that I would have punched the guy, but I'm finding it rather difficult to feel sorry that it happened.

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I think generally, as a rule, no, it's not OK to punch a Nazi, for the most part. However, should you be standing around somewhere and a Nazi gets punched in your vicinity, and you happen to totally miss it and not even see anything at all, that is pretty understandable.

Oh, wait, I found the best mashup, because it puts it into context. You be polite, you don't punch them, someone gives them a podium and a projector and they get a bunch of sniveling little turds Nazi saluting them in conference rooms.