THE tragedy of MH17 will do nothing to stop Putin in his plans to re-establish a new Soviet Union. This was a tragic accident for him but his ambitions extend beyond Ukraine and this will not stop that.

The world now knows he is involved with separatists connected to the deaths of hundreds of innocent people. I think Putin will understand there is no going back now and he will make his move.

Ukraine is only the first stage; it is the beginning of a wider campaign to increase Russia's strength. He will move to other countries, such as Moldova and Belorussia, where there is a strong Russian population.

This will become a European war if the West does not do more to stop it. The deaths of foreign civilians make this a European war already. Europe relies on Russia for oil and gas and Great Britain relies on it for money, but that is where they have to hit. If you watch Russian TV it is extremely anti-Ukrainian, they are showing a completely different picture.

The Russian people are being fed opposing information. They are happy to see themselves as a powerful state again, but not if it becomes expensive.

Europe should cancel visas for Russians who are members of parties that supported the annexation of Crimea, for example. It should stop Russian airlines flying over Europe or Russians from visiting the UK.

It should tell the wives of powerful people that they cannot travel to London to shop any more.

This is how you get them, you have to make it personal and there are ways of doing that. Europe should hit the rouble and hit the stock market. Cut the country off from the rest of the continent, and then Russians who rely on Europe for business will question what Putin is doing.

This is not a problem anybody wants to deal with, but the murder of the passengers on that plane means everyone has to. It is not economic any more, it is a political power struggle. If Europe does not demonstrate to Putin now that it is taking it seriously then the problem will escalate and we will have the costs of war to worry about, not just the economy.

What a coincidence. His comrade-from-another-mother, Barry Soetoro, doesn’t let loss of life like that which occurred at Ft. Hood and elsewhere stop him from fundamentally transforming The USA into The USSA.

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posted on 07/19/2014 6:50:12 PM PDT
by Texas Eagle
(If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)

It wasn't a mistake. They are part of the team. If they have to pull a Reggie Jackson and stick their hip into the path of a double-play ball from time to time in order to win The World Serious, they see it as their job.

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posted on 07/19/2014 6:53:43 PM PDT
by Texas Eagle
(If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)

~Europe should cancel visas for Russians who are members of parties that supported the annexation of Crimea, for example. It should stop Russian airlines flying over Europe or Russians from visiting the UK.

It should tell the wives of powerful people that they cannot travel to London to shop any more.

This is how you get them, you have to make it personal and there are ways of doing that. Europe should hit the rouble and hit the stock market. ~

Well, if they are looking to lose all the influence with any group in Russia why not?

~Cut the country off from the rest of the continent, and then Russians who rely on Europe for business will question what Putin is doing~
Why would they ask questions as far as it’s the West that severed ties? With all pro-Western groups isolated this way it would be a gift for any power inside the country willing to restore a real dictatorship.

All of the above worked exactly the same in Cuba or Iran. None of these regimes could have been alive today if not for a sanctions uniting populations behind their leadership who can easily cover their mismanagement and corruption blaming sanctions for poor performance.

Did we not encourage Russia to abandon communism and adopt capitalism and emulate America? Are we condemning companies that are doing business with Russia? Should they jettison all investments that they have made?

The reason we found it necessary to install a puppet government in the Ukraine was that they were getting ready to sign a deal with Russia that was better than the EU bankers were offering. Imagine that! A leader looking for the best deal for it’s country.

I would put the USA and Russia close to levels of corruption and having a Fascist governments with Russia still in the lead.

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posted on 07/19/2014 7:27:37 PM PDT
by listenhillary
(Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)

Russia has been holding joint war games with the ChiComs every other year, now every year, since 2005. They support Marxist dictatorships throughout Latin America. They stand behind communist North Korea. If they supposedly are through with communism, why do they support these communist regimes?

Venezuela did that. Venezuela is a model of (in)efficiency. Could take 3 weeks or months to unload a cargo ship. Seriously it is that bad.

I work in a department store and I've had customers from Venezuela as well as a co worker who is from there. I mentioned that "Hugo Chavez was a real jag-off (a Pittsburgh word for jerk, idiot) and he ruined that country and economy and they agreed with me. One even said the guy who replaced him is worse.

He’s using the same strategy as Hitler, the use of Russian enclaves as an excuse for conquest. He’s opposed by the same sort of “Give him what he wants and maybe he will be satisfied” leadership. However, he has the ruthlessness of Stalin. This will not be pretty.

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posted on 07/19/2014 8:26:25 PM PDT
by Ingtar
(The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")

Putin’s regime will never be a restoration of the Russian Empire, because that would mean restoring the Romanov dynasty and returning their property. Putin is not about to do that anymore than Hitler put the Kaiser back on the throne of Germany. Putin can’t even condemn the murderers of the Romanov Family because that would mean he would have to condemn the whole Soviet Union and Lenin himself. He would have to condemn his own loyal service to the evil Soviet tyranny which destroyed the Russian empire in the first place. He’ll never do that. Putin cannot be a Tsar because he has no noble blood. He’s a peasant. His grandfather was Lenin’s cook.

Please see my previous post. Putin is not a tsarist of any kind, neo or otherwise. He is an unrepentant Chekist. His father was in the NKVD and his grandfather was Lenin's cook. He will never restore the Russian Empire and he will never repudiate the EVIL EMPIRE he loyally served. Fantasies about the restoration of the Russian Empire are really just foolish uninformed nonsense. Putin fans have the most ridiculous delusions.

Seriously Christmas cookies hit their shelves in April or something. Cargo ships just sit there, waiting and waiting. Which costs $$$ and I wonder if they lose more sitting idle than they got from the cargo. Or maybe more than the cargo is worth.

The government of Venezuela owes billions to airlines, hospitals and importers that the government does not have the ability to pay.

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posted on 07/19/2014 8:34:27 PM PDT
by GeronL
(Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)

Did Communism Fake Its Own Death in 1991?
American Thinker ^ | January 16, 2010 | Jason McNew

In a [] 1984 book [New Lies for Old], ex-KGB Major Anatoliy Golitsyn predicted the liberalization of the Soviet Bloc and claimed that it would be a strategic deception. ...”

“Golitsyn’s argument was that beginning in about 1960, the Soviet Union embarked on a strategy of massive long-range strategic deception which would span several decades and result in the destruction of Western capitalism and the erection of a communist world government.”

“Golitsyn published his second book, The Perestroika Deception, after the Soviet Union was dissolved in 1991. This book contained further analysis of the liberalization, in addition to previously classified memoranda submitted by Golitsyn to the CIA. The two books must be read together to get a complete picture of Golitsyn’s thesis.”

A Putin kind of communism - July 2, 2014 - Russian President Vladimir Putin has awarded the Order of Alexander Nevsky to the head of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, Gennady Zyuganov.

According to RIA Novosti, Zyuganov's award is for "achievements [in] labor progress, significant contributions to socio-economic development of the Russian Federation, [and] the implementation of the foreign policy of the Russian Federation."

Zyuganov, who has led the Russian Communist Party since 1993, has expressed support for the revival of the Soviet Union, changing the names of the Russian cities of Volgograd and St. Petersburg back to their Soviet-era names of Stalingrad and Leningrad, and is on record as declaring that the USSR was the "most humane state in human history."

The award was made public on Zyuganov's 70th birthday. In a meeting with Zyuganov, Putin gave also gave him a statuette of a popular Soviet-era hero Vasily Chapaev, according to the report.

Chapaev was a Bolshevik officer during the Russian Civil War, which pitted the Soviet Red Army against the White Army attempting to overthrow Lenin's Communist state. Killed in action, Chapaev was known for his devotion to duty and his Soviet fervor. During the Soviet era, a book was written about him, a film depicted his exploits, and a class of cruisers was named after him.

On Zyuganov's 65th birthday, Putin had given Zyuganov a copy of the Soviet edition of the Communist Manifesto.

Obviously the Russian Communist leader and the President of the Russian Federation have a common appreciation for things Marxist and Bolshevik.

MOSCOW (AP) - President Vladimir Putin lamented the demise of the Soviet Union in some of his strongest language to date, saying in a nationally televised speech before parliament Monday that it was “the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.”

In his annual address to lawmakers, top government officials and political leaders, Putin also sought to reassure skittish investors about Russias investment climate - just two days before a ruling in the tax evasion and fraud trial of oil tycoon Mikhail Khodorkovsky.

His statements on the collapse of the Soviet Union and its effects on Russians, at home and abroad, come as the country is awash in nostalgia just two weeks before the 60th anniversary of the end of World War II in Europe - a conflict Russians call the “Great Patriotic War.”

Putin, who served as a colonel in the KGB, has resurrected some communist symbols during his presidency, bringing back the music of the old Soviet anthem and the Soviet-style red banner as the militarys flag.

In the 50-minute address at the Kremlin, Putin avoided mentioning the need to work more closely with other former Soviet republics - in contrast to previous addresses ...”

“What a coincidence. His comrade-from-another-mother, Barry Soetoro, doesnt let loss of life like that which occurred at Ft. Hood and elsewhere stop him from fundamentally transforming The USA into The USSA.”

Yes, yes. Now that you mention it, those two do have quite a bit in common...

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posted on 07/19/2014 9:06:47 PM PDT
by MichaelCorleone
(Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)

Many people don't realize that the official ideology of the Soviet Union was not Marxism, but Leninism. The Bolshevik leader Lenin contradicted key parts of Marxist theory. Lenin focused on creating an all powerful state which would act as the "vanguard" of revolutionary socialism. This "dictatorship of the proletariat" would establish socialism which meant a centralized economy. Actual communism was only a promise which would come after a period of socialism. Lenin's "New Economic Program" even allowed limited capitalism with the purpose of improving the economy. The Putin regime is simply following in Lenin's footsteps, allowing limited capitalism, but only for the purposes of improving Russia's economy while maintaining a dictatorship which promotes Communism around the world.

Russia has been holding joint war games with the ChiComs every other year, now every year, since 2005. They support Marxist dictatorships throughout Latin America. They stand behind communist North Korea. If they supposedly are through with communism, why do they support these communist regimes?

The United States is the biggest supporter of Communism through trade with Communist countries.

Putin’s foremost a businessman in today’s Russia and on an International Scale....companies know he’s ready , and has been, to do business.

Recent Economic summit showed corporations are and will continue to do business with Putin. And interesting listening to EU businessmen stating they will go in their own direction regarding business with Russia and Putin.

Companies who have stated they won’t do business are those being strong-armed by the US Administration.....and even they are looking for means and ways to loosen the leverage being used.

Putin is a modern csarist. Putin wants to flip Germany to his side and break up NATO. He wants to leave bankrupt Greece and Spain on their own, or better still let them drag down France once Germany has left the EU.

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posted on 07/19/2014 10:01:58 PM PDT
by Southack
(The one thing preppers need from the 1st World? http://tinyurl.com/ktfwljc .)

...”If they supposedly are through with communism, why do they support these communist regimes?”....

Doesn’t matter what position they hold when it comes to trade and doing international business. .....Ideologies etc only matter for political leverage in their game, but bottom line will always be the purse.

People would do well to recognize that nations citizens are simply pawns on their game table....nation leaders will feed them emotionally to their advantage...or deny them.

Putin knows he has to play to the new generation and the old population as he brings his nation along from it’s fall. So he’s simply being a statesman in his approach to satisfy all......it’s something he knows he has to ‘balance’ as the people adjust to the new Russia of today.

Unlike Obama who has shoved his “Hope and change” down everyones throat...like it or not. He’s a terrible politician let alone any resemblance to a Pres.

Well we have been stabbed in the back as it’s all moved to the Eastern Hemisphere. That’s just the reality of where things are happening.

Russia and China’s partnering in trade is simply “business”...not political so much, though it’s given some consideration regarding both those nations are ramping it up to be top dogs with International clout..and that in ‘all’ respects.......but neither Russia nor China are “friends”...they know it.

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