Mr. Changsha, it might be a better idea for you to ask the various Chinese, Taiwanese, etc. players if they prefer/don't care/don't want this change. It doesn't affect 99% of the players here. You see there are only 10 serious players, so if you can get 10 prefers/don't cares and no don't wants, I will pop this into [Submitted] regardless of the result of this poll.

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DoomYoshi wrote:Mr. Changsha, it might be a better idea for you to ask the various Chinese, Taiwanese, etc. players if they prefer/don't care/don't want this change. It doesn't affect 99% of the players here. You see there are only 10 serious players, so if you can get 10 prefers/don't cares and no don't wants, I will pop this into [Submitted] regardless of the result of this poll.

So my current plan of challenging the leader of the Hong Kong faction to a one-off dubs on the Hong Kong map to determine sovereignty, is not the official, or the correct, way of going about this?

betiko wrote:lol, this is getting political. I personally consider taiwan as having the right to be independent. But I guess you would counsider that new caledonia has the right to be independent in response.

New Caledonia is absolutely irrelevent to the people of China. Frankly, I only know where it is because of my deep fascination for 2.1. Let's keep this on topic betiko, and the topic of this thread is about improving the cc-experience of China-based players.

Has anyone ever wondered why every chinese person I have ever introduced to the site has signed up, had a look around and then promptly left (almost certainly no one here has ever wondered about this)? Might it be because CC appears to be believe it is 1996 and Hong Kong is still a british colony? The CC scoreboard is deeply insensitive towards chinese people on this issue.

So a unified chinese scoreboard would both improve the cc experience for ex-pats living in China, Hong Kong and Taiwan but also make it more likely that some actual, real Chinese players could join us. For currently CC must seem like the UN in the 1960's, as it blatantly insulted the country by refusing to admit that Mao was the rightful leader of China.

why do they use HK dollar there if their status is not "complicated"? Why do they use the taiwan dollar in taipei? why are hong kong and taiwan represented in the olympics and have national teams? they don't want to be part of your "greater china", deal with it, neither on cc. And yes, new caledonia is totally on topic as it gives an example of something similar done on the site.If some chinese players are stupid enough to leave the site because HK and taiwan are represented on the site I don't really care. Did they stop watching the beijing olympics because HK was represented?

Well, I am merely trying to give a little political context to my suggestion - as is my right - but remember that this thread is about improving CC!

I think CC would be a (slightly) better place if we had regional/continental scoreboards and I am using the China area as an example of that. Outside of a few large Risk-playing countries, the individual scoreboards are sorry, lonely places.

GoranZ wrote:The proposal is more or less political issue so lets leave it to the politicians.

Somehow the discussion entered the political arena, but it's not about that at all.

Mr Changsha wrote:Well, I am merely trying to give a little political comtext to my suggestion - as is my right - but remember that this thread is about improving CC!

I think CC would be a (slightly) better place if we had regional/continental scoreboards and I am using the China area as an example of that. Outside of a few large Risk-playing countries, the individual scoreboards are sorry, lonely places.

DoomYoshi wrote:Mr. Changsha, it might be a better idea for you to ask the various Chinese, Taiwanese, etc. players if they prefer/don't care/don't want this change. It doesn't affect 99% of the players here. You see there are only 10 serious players, so if you can get 10 prefers/don't cares and no don't wants, I will pop this into [Submitted] regardless of the result of this poll.

So my current plan of challenging the leader of the Hong Kong faction to a one-off dubs on the Hong Kong map to determine sovereignty, is not the official, or the correct, way of going about this?

DoomYoshi wrote:Mr. Changsha, it might be a better idea for you to ask the various Chinese, Taiwanese, etc. players if they prefer/don't care/don't want this change. It doesn't affect 99% of the players here. You see there are only 10 serious players, so if you can get 10 prefers/don't cares and no don't wants, I will pop this into [Submitted] regardless of the result of this poll.

So my current plan of challenging the leader of the Hong Kong faction to a one-off dubs on the Hong Kong map to determine sovereignty, is not the official, or the correct, way of going about this?

It's not official, but Zhang Fei would approve...

It seems to me (though of course I am at best strange and at worst unhinged) that If I, the leader of the China scoreboard, defeat the leader of the Hong Kong faction on the Hong Kong map, that through the establised convention of spoils, the Hong Kong scoreboard would have to merge with the China scoreboard.

DoomYoshi's belief in the powers of democracy, while without question noble, ignores the cultural sensitivities of east-asian people. Leaders must decide matters between themselves...this is primarily an issue for Chariot of Fire and I, and I trust CC will respect the outcome of this contest.

DoomYoshi wrote:Mr. Changsha, it might be a better idea for you to ask the various Chinese, Taiwanese, etc. players if they prefer/don't care/don't want this change. It doesn't affect 99% of the players here. You see there are only 10 serious players, so if you can get 10 prefers/don't cares and no don't wants, I will pop this into [Submitted] regardless of the result of this poll.

So my current plan of challenging the leader of the Hong Kong faction to a one-off dubs on the Hong Kong map to determine sovereignty, is not the official, or the correct, way of going about this?

It's not official, but Zhang Fei would approve...

It seems to me (though of course I am at best strange and at worst unhinged) that If I, the leader of the China scoreboard, defeat the leader of the Hong Kong faction on the Hong Kong map, that through the establised convention of spoils, the Hong Kong scoreboard would have to merge with the China scoreboard.

DoomYoshi's belief in the powers of democracy, while without question noble, ignores the cultural sensitivities of east-asian people. Leaders must decide matters between themselves...this is primarily an issue for Chariot of Fire and I, and I trust CC will respect the outcome of this contest.

if you lose, can the chinese scoreboad merge so we could have only hong kong?

DoomYoshi wrote:Mr. Changsha, it might be a better idea for you to ask the various Chinese, Taiwanese, etc. players if they prefer/don't care/don't want this change. It doesn't affect 99% of the players here. You see there are only 10 serious players, so if you can get 10 prefers/don't cares and no don't wants, I will pop this into [Submitted] regardless of the result of this poll.

So my current plan of challenging the leader of the Hong Kong faction to a one-off dubs on the Hong Kong map to determine sovereignty, is not the official, or the correct, way of going about this?

It's not official, but Zhang Fei would approve...

It seems to me (though of course I am at best strange and at worst unhinged) that If I, the leader of the China scoreboard, defeat the leader of the Hong Kong faction on the Hong Kong map, that through the establised convention of spoils, the Hong Kong scoreboard would have to merge with the China scoreboard.

DoomYoshi's belief in the powers of democracy, while without question noble, ignores the cultural sensitivities of east-asian people. Leaders must decide matters between themselves...this is primarily an issue for Chariot of Fire and I, and I trust CC will respect the outcome of this contest.

if you lose, can the chinese scoreboad merge so we could have only hong kong?

Can a squirrel defeat a tiger?

The leader of the Hong Kong faction has, so far, ignored my challenge for a one-off game to determine the future of the china scoreboard. However, I have learned great patience from my chinese brothers and so I suspect I will be able to resist trolling my own thread in a splash of faux-outrage for at least another 2 hours and 57 minutes.

With regards to your very pertinent question the answer is a simple no. China is a country with 5,000 years of history behind it, Hong Kong is a glorified parking lot. If I lose, which I won't, for right is most surely on my side, I will give CoF 100 days and then simply increase my demands in a most fiendish fashion.

so why would he accept? cof is british, and I'm sure he won't agree that HK is fully china. you're not giving any reward to your challenge, so don't expect it to be accepted. oh and vs cof, you are the squirrel, he is the tiger.

Mr Changsha wrote:Cof is a superb player..no question about that. I look forward to the game.

This is the first sensible thing you've said all day

I have enjoyed your politicking though and wish it was representative of everything that came out of the Great Hall of the People (I've farted in there y'know!)

I accept your challenge on the map of my adopted country. Don't forget to apply for your permit prior to joining. On behalf of my fellow free brethren in Taiwan R.O.C. however I think being swallowed into the bosom of Mother China is not what they would like. Oh no comrade, not one iota. And if a player ever was to join from that verdant isle I'll warrant he will promptly leave the site when he sees he is playing under that big ugly red flag of oppression.

I would love for this to lead to an amalgamated Asian scoreboard though - that would be something worthwhile - but each country (and Special Administrative Region of course) retains its own standard.

spiesr wrote:Alright, let's get things under control here.If you want to turn this into a suggestion about creating regional scoreboards then stay on that topic. If not then this will be closed.

Was this directed at me? The game being played is exactly on topic for the China scoreboard or don't the members have any say? Don't be one of those fun police spiesr, closing this would not do you any favors.

We all know how many suggestions have been implemented, this one will probably never happen as well.

My suggestion is for you to stay away and let DoomYoshi handle this

Chariot of Fire wrote:I would love for this to lead to an amalgamated Asian scoreboard though - that would be something worthwhile - but each country (and Special Administrative Region of course) retains its own standard.

spiesr wrote:Alright, let's get things under control here.If you want to turn this into a suggestion about creating regional scoreboards then stay on that topic. If not then this will be closed.

On what basis are you going to close this topic?

1. My first suggestion that Hong Kong players should be part of the China scoreboard is a completely legitimate suggestion.

2. Writing about the political background to that would seem to me to be both educational as well as perfectly reasonable, or are the views of that nationality not allowed to be represented here? Writing it in a way that chinese people would find subversively amusing (rather like how the english might write about Ireland or Scotland) should also be fine. It is context to the suggestion.

2. Challenging Cof to defend Hong Kong's honour 'is the kind of thing we do on site based on conquest'.

3. My goal is to publicise the case for larger region, or even continental scoreboards. I've chosen to focus on creating a greater-china scoreboard, which is my right, but the eventual goal of this thread is clear...and was clear from the very first post.

Trying to play us off each other will get you nowhere. In any case, spiesr wasn't threatening a lock for past transgressions. If there were past transgressions, the thread would be locked, no threat required. The warning was for potential future transgressions.

Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right but here I am, a Methodist.