Can People of Color be racist? - Atheist Nexus2018-05-24T18:07:36Zhttp://atheistnexus.org/forum/topics/can-people-of-color-be-racist?commentId=2182797%3AComment%3A2761940&xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI learned. Thanks for taking…tag:atheistnexus.org,2017-08-27:2182797:Comment:27628762017-08-27T18:11:55.385ZFrankie Dapperhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/GlenRosenberg
<p>I learned. Thanks for taking the time John. </p>
<p>I learned. Thanks for taking the time John. </p> That really is kind of you to…tag:atheistnexus.org,2017-08-27:2182797:Comment:27627852017-08-27T17:39:49.360ZBenGeehttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/JesseBGardner
<p>That really is kind of you to say, thank you John.</p>
<p>Too bad I can't turn this into a decent job lol. To be fair I find many people place a high degree of emphasis on credentials, so my attempts to play mine down is an active attempt to disarm people who would judge me based on education rather than listen to my arguments and points.</p>
<p>Also you did a far better job explaining how the genetic markers used to identify heritage than I think I could have.</p>
<p>That really is kind of you to say, thank you John.</p>
<p>Too bad I can't turn this into a decent job lol. To be fair I find many people place a high degree of emphasis on credentials, so my attempts to play mine down is an active attempt to disarm people who would judge me based on education rather than listen to my arguments and points.</p>
<p>Also you did a far better job explaining how the genetic markers used to identify heritage than I think I could have.</p> You should ask John Elder abo…tag:atheistnexus.org,2017-08-24:2182797:Comment:27625772017-08-24T17:44:28.080ZBenGeehttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/JesseBGardner
<p>You should ask John Elder about this, as he's a biologist. However, I'll quote him for you here...</p>
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<p>"Biologically you are exactly right BenGee. There are no fixed significant genetic differences among so called "races". -John Elder</p>
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<p>It's not a lie, what it is is a failure to understand what constitutes a new species. Race isn't really a thing, you can have similar delineations in animals which in turn carry specific genetic propensities for illness, ect. However…</p>
<p>You should ask John Elder about this, as he's a biologist. However, I'll quote him for you here...</p>
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<p>"Biologically you are exactly right BenGee. There are no fixed significant genetic differences among so called "races". -John Elder</p>
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<p>It's not a lie, what it is is a failure to understand what constitutes a new species. Race isn't really a thing, you can have similar delineations in animals which in turn carry specific genetic propensities for illness, ect. However that doesn't mean they posses "significant genetic differences" add to that those "differences" are not fixed between the "races" I can not accept your claim. So I did not lie, nor do I think I am wrong here.</p>
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<p>Dog breeds are the closest example I can think of that could be similar to "race" and yet dog breeds are also a social construct, in fact dog breeds have far more genetic variety than humans and yet still are all the same species with no further meaningful delineation. Dog "breeds" were invented by rich people in the 17th century or so with too much time on their hands having fun with selective breeding. However none of the changes constitute anything significantly different on a genetic or biological level. John, feel free to jump in here and correct me if I'm wrong on this. After all I'm just a kid who grew up in bio labs. I never actually studied biology as a science. I have been to many of the research bio labs around the world and have seen absolutely nothing to back up your claim that "race" exists.</p>
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<p>(My dad was a microscope sales rep, I grew up being cheap/free labor putting together multi million dollar microscopes, I got to use a laser dissecting microscope in Hawaii, have worked with electron scanning microscopes, inverted microscopes. My dad treated me like shit, like I was too stupid to understand, the lab personnel however treated me well and answered any/all questions I had. I just made sure to ask when my dad wasn't in the room. None of this is the same as having the qualifications John has, who is a biology professor. So I could be wrong, but this is how I grew up viewing the world. I have yet to see any evidence that should suggest I significantly change my view of things)</p> Bertold, i had to look up Poe…tag:atheistnexus.org,2017-08-24:2182797:Comment:27623692017-08-24T02:14:59.194ZFrankie Dapperhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/GlenRosenberg
<p>Bertold, i had to look up Poe...</p>
<p>Bertold, i had to look up Poe...</p> I thought Glen meant it too,…tag:atheistnexus.org,2017-08-24:2182797:Comment:27623682017-08-24T01:34:38.377ZBertold Brautiganhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/BertoldBrautigan
<p>I thought Glen meant it too, until I checked. Glen, maybe we should add a &lt;/snark&gt; tag to some comments.</p>
<p>I thought Glen meant it too, until I checked. Glen, maybe we should add a &lt;/snark&gt; tag to some comments.</p> Not a problemtag:atheistnexus.org,2017-08-24:2182797:Comment:27623672017-08-24T01:29:12.076ZFrankie Dapperhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/GlenRosenberg
<p>Not a problem</p>
<p>Not a problem</p> Also, I would say it is ignor…tag:atheistnexus.org,2017-08-24:2182797:Comment:27624532017-08-24T01:20:09.905ZJohn Dumakerhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/JohnDumaker
<p>Also, I would say it is ignorance, more so than racism, that I oppose.</p>
<p>Also, I would say it is ignorance, more so than racism, that I oppose.</p> Apologies. My fault for skimm…tag:atheistnexus.org,2017-08-24:2182797:Comment:27623662017-08-24T01:17:02.795ZJohn Dumakerhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/JohnDumaker
<p>Apologies. My fault for skimming through posts rather than reading all of them. I should also have seen you would have been skewered if those comments were literal.</p>
<p>Apologies. My fault for skimming through posts rather than reading all of them. I should also have seen you would have been skewered if those comments were literal.</p> I am happy to see how opposed…tag:atheistnexus.org,2017-08-24:2182797:Comment:27624522017-08-24T01:05:15.339ZFrankie Dapperhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/GlenRosenberg
<p>I am happy to see how opposed to racism you and others are but disappointed in how you fail to discern satire. </p>
<p>I am happy to see how opposed to racism you and others are but disappointed in how you fail to discern satire. </p> " Yes there was incidental bu…tag:atheistnexus.org,2017-08-24:2182797:Comment:27624512017-08-24T00:58:55.567ZJohn Dumakerhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/JohnDumaker
<p>" Yes there was incidental but necessary collateral damage in causing the natives to be taught our superior culture "</p>
<p>Who the fuck are you to claim one culture is superior to another ??? You can claim the colonists had superior technology, though it was primarily disease that subdued the natives, but you have no right to state any culture is superior to another. Only an asshole says such things.</p>
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<p> "So backwards were they that they aspired to live in harmony with nature…</p>
<p>" Yes there was incidental but necessary collateral damage in causing the natives to be taught our superior culture "</p>
<p>Who the fuck are you to claim one culture is superior to another ??? You can claim the colonists had superior technology, though it was primarily disease that subdued the natives, but you have no right to state any culture is superior to another. Only an asshole says such things.</p>
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<p> "So backwards were they that they aspired to live in harmony with nature instead of subduing it the way a christian does"</p>
<p>It sounds like you are claiming that Christianity is superior to native animistic belief. Are you, in fact, a christian ? What are you doing here if you are promoting one religion as superior to another ?</p>