One disturbing disclosure, AFRICAN AMERICAN CHILDREN were and still are THREE HUNDRED AND FIFTY PERCENT more likely to develop Autism under the current Vaccine MMR schedule," Schneider wrote. "This according to the original CDC study in 2001."

The agency said in a statement that the study's results were due to issues with the sample and not a vaccine-autism link.

Aka.. the study was in general about children in Georgia and they had a few children who happened to be black in the study sample but not enough to be statistically significant.

Vaccines are one of the most wonderful discoveries of the modern era. I think everyone should avail themselves of vaccines. However, I don't see why one should be FORCED to be vaccinated.

In many ways, it's a self correcting problem. Don't get vaccinated, suffer the consequences, fail to reproduce.

I've heard the herd argument-- that if one person doesn't get vaccinated then everyone is vulnerable. Well, then those people should get vaccinated if they want to be protected. Why should the state force one person to do something to their body for the benefit of the collective? I understand quarantine during an epidemic, but vaccines are preventative. Failure to get vaccinated does not equate to always getting the disease.

And I understand that vaccines are not 100% effective, so some innocent people who do get vaccinated might sill get sick if others do not.

But I'd much rather live in a world where people can make their own choices about what to do with their bodies rather than have some bureaucrat tell them what to do.

Begoggle:He's been ranting on Twitter about vaccines and "big pharm" since Robin Williams died.

To his credit, anti-depressants ARE being pushed through way too easily. Anything with a side effect that is basically "may take your existing condition and make it 10x worse" should never be approved by the FDA.

I'm quite impressed that he knows that CAPITALIZING CERTAIN WORDS AND PHRASES is bound to STRENGTHEN your argument by the TIME-TESTED TENETS of rhetoric and logic by UP TO FIFTEEN TIMES (provided, of course, you understand that the phrase "up to" also includes the value "naught").

Quasar:nickdaisy: But I'd much rather live in a world where people can make their own choices about what to do with their bodies rather than have some bureaucrat tell them what to do.

Absolutely. Sure, a bunch of innocent kids might get sick or hospitalized, but their parents will appreciate the power of freedom.

if you really want to protect the health of innocent kids mandate what parents are allowed to feed their kids. The biggest health problem among American youth is their chubby little bellies, not people dropping dead because a handful of loners don't want to get vaccinated.

But we'd never do that because we don't live in an authoritarian state.

Yet.

But Obama and his unelected wife (who for some reason thinks she has the authority to tell kids what to eat) would love to order you what to feed your kids.

The republicans, of course, are just as dictatorial. If it were up to them a woman could never get an abortion and a man could never give another man a handjob.

nickdaisy:Well, then those people should get vaccinated if they want to be protected.

And if they are unable to be vaccinated? They're just SOL?

nickdaisy:Failure to get vaccinated does not equate to always getting the disease.

Failure to get sick does not always equate to not spreading disease around.

nickdaisy:But I'd much rather live in a world where people can make their own choices about what to do with their bodies rather than have some bureaucrat tell them what to do.

You're still free to do whatever you want with your body. The rest of society is free to tell you to take some basic preventative health precautions if you want to join that society. If you don't want to do that, you're free to fark off.

nickdaisy:Vaccines are one of the most wonderful discoveries of the modern era. I think everyone should avail themselves of vaccines. However, I don't see why one should be FORCED to be vaccinated.

In many ways, it's a self correcting problem. Don't get vaccinated, suffer the consequences, fail to reproduce.

I've heard the herd argument-- that if one person doesn't get vaccinated then everyone is vulnerable. Well, then those people should get vaccinated if they want to be protected. Why should the state force one person to do something to their body for the benefit of the collective? I understand quarantine during an epidemic, but vaccines are preventative. Failure to get vaccinated does not equate to always getting the disease.

And I understand that vaccines are not 100% effective, so some innocent people who do get vaccinated might sill get sick if others do not.

But I'd much rather live in a world where people can make their own choices about what to do with their bodies rather than have some bureaucrat tell them what to do.

Mr. Coffee Nerves:I think it's obvious that 30 Rock was haunted by a michevious Joun Beluahi for years and he drove as many cast members insane as he could

At first I was confused and wondered how you screwed up the name. Then I couldn't figure out when the hell John Belushi was ever on 3rd Rock (from the Sun). Needless to say whoever this Joun Beluahi is, they drive men to madness at the mere mention of its name.

nickdaisy:Vaccines are one of the most wonderful discoveries of the modern era. I think everyone should avail themselves of vaccines. However, I don't see why one should be FORCED to be vaccinated.

In many ways, it's a self correcting problem. Don't get vaccinated, suffer the consequences, fail to reproduce.

I've heard the herd argument-- that if one person doesn't get vaccinated then everyone is vulnerable. Well, then those people should get vaccinated if they want to be protected. Why should the state force one person to do something to their body for the benefit of the collective? I understand quarantine during an epidemic, but vaccines are preventative. Failure to get vaccinated does not equate to always getting the disease.

And I understand that vaccines are not 100% effective, so some innocent people who do get vaccinated might sill get sick if others do not.

But I'd much rather live in a world where people can make their own choices about what to do with their bodies rather than have some bureaucrat tell them what to do.

Who's with me?

I can see where your questions come from and they are good questions. Here are the answers.

1) People under the age of 12 months are more vulnerable to contracting these illnesses due to not being vaccinated yet and, even when vaccinated, not developing immunity after the first or second shot. So, someone not vaccinated for whooping cough may contract whooping cough at age 5. He will cough for 3 months but otherwise be ok. In those 3 months, he could infect dozens of others including these babies who could easily die from this infection. This applies to many of the vaccines we give- measles, pneumococcal, hib.

2) There are a small number of people who never develop immunity despite being fully vaccinated (less than 1%) and those people will contract these infections through no fault of their own.

3) Everyone did get their own choice in the fifties. With thousands of people dying from measles and being paralyzed from polio, society made a collective choice to screw the individual who says "you can tell me what to do" and tell them what to do.

4) If mandatory vaccination was bagged, within 5 years it would be back as the horrors of an unvaccinated society would lead to a collective demand that all these illnesses and deaths be stopped.

germ78:Mr. Coffee Nerves: I think it's obvious that 30 Rock was haunted by a michevious Joun Beluahi for years and he drove as many cast members insane as he could

At first I was confused and wondered how you screwed up the name. Then I couldn't figure out when the hell John Belushi was ever on 3rd Rock (from the Sun). Needless to say whoever this Joun Beluahi is, they drive men to madness at the mere mention of its name.

Lebanese-Hawaiian harbinger of insanity, bringing terror and madness while ululating to a ukelele. A ululele, if you will.

uncle soondead:Canton: Nabb1: Mugato: Christ, was this fark in anything with any redeeming value? Even Adam Sandler was in Airheads and The Wedding Singer. Demolition Man was a good flick but despite him.

Looking at his bio on IMDb, it looks like he once appeared on an episode of "Seinfeld," but the rest of it is pure crap.

He was in The Waterboy. Rob Schneider as, um... Townie. That was a pretty good flick.

Original Judge Dredd only thing I can think of that was half decent with him having more than 3 lines.

whitman00:nickdaisy: Vaccines are one of the most wonderful discoveries of the modern era. I think everyone should avail themselves of vaccines. However, I don't see why one should be FORCED to be vaccinated.

In many ways, it's a self correcting problem. Don't get vaccinated, suffer the consequences, fail to reproduce.

I've heard the herd argument-- that if one person doesn't get vaccinated then everyone is vulnerable. Well, then those people should get vaccinated if they want to be protected. Why should the state force one person to do something to their body for the benefit of the collective? I understand quarantine during an epidemic, but vaccines are preventative. Failure to get vaccinated does not equate to always getting the disease.

And I understand that vaccines are not 100% effective, so some innocent people who do get vaccinated might sill get sick if others do not.

But I'd much rather live in a world where people can make their own choices about what to do with their bodies rather than have some bureaucrat tell them what to do.

Who's with me?

I can see where your questions come from and they are good questions. Here are the answers.

1) People under the age of 12 months are more vulnerable to contracting these illnesses due to not being vaccinated yet and, even when vaccinated, not developing immunity after the first or second shot. So, someone not vaccinated for whooping cough may contract whooping cough at age 5. He will cough for 3 months but otherwise be ok. In those 3 months, he could infect dozens of others including these babies who could easily die from this infection. This applies to many of the vaccines we give- measles, pneumococcal, hib.

2) There are a small number of people who never develop immunity despite being fully vaccinated (less than 1%) and those people will contract these infections through no fault of their own.

3) Everyone did get their own choice in the fifties. With thousands of people dying from measles and being paralyzed ...

thank you for actually reading the entirety of my post and the sensible response.

I still prefer to not grant to government the authority to compel me to preemptively do something to my body, but agree you have sound arguments. I believe though that on the balance the danger of authoritarian government outweighs the danger of a small number of people getting sick. (I disagree with your last point because I think most people today understand the value of vaccinations. As you point out, the innocent population that is vulnerable is quite small.)

People should get vaccinated or suffer the consequences. Just as they should quit smoking, have regular sleep habits, eat lots of green veggies, and avoid stress. But we shouldn't surrender our liberty to have big brother force us to live healthy.

germ78:Mr. Coffee Nerves: I think it's obvious that 30 Rock was haunted by a michevious Joun Beluahi for years and he drove as many cast members insane as he could

At first I was confused and wondered how you screwed up the name. Then I couldn't figure out when the hell John Belushi was ever on 3rd Rock (from the Sun). Needless to say whoever this Joun Beluahi is, they drive men to madness at the mere mention of its name.

30 Rock is the nickname for 30 Rockerfeller Center, the building Saturday Night Live's studio is in. There was also a sitcom on NBC called 30 Rock.