Islam/Sunni-Ismaili Marraige

Ali wrote at 2007-12-23 02:31:03
Ismailis are NOT Muslims, I don't understand how they can think of themselves as Muslims. When they pray they pray to a picture of this Aga Khan

rahim wrote at 2008-03-20 15:32:25
Look my girl is even a Sunni.. I just dont know what the hack concept have u ppl made in ur minds that Ismailis are not muslim . We are muslim the only difference between us and u is that .. u follow only 1 Imam and his teachings and u follow each and every imam in mosque... who even cannot get on the same length.

Ashfaque wrote at 2008-08-13 08:54:40
How is that you people simply and so easily call Ismailies as Non Muslims?? Calling someone non-Muslim is a very serious matter and you people are calling for ALLAH (SWT) wrath if you call Ismailies as non muslims without knowing anything about them.

salma suleman wrote at 2008-11-11 23:59:00
ismailis are not muslims, you can go to ismaili website and see the difference in both the religions. the five pillars of islam , they ismailis do not follow it, so totally they are not muslims. i have been married to ismaili man for 17 years and i have left him cause he does not want to convert, read suratul baqarah 121 which Allah (s.a) has explaned about idolators. they take aga khan as god and they say he is divine. Only Allah is Divine.

salma suleman wrote at 2008-11-12 01:20:21
sister please live this man, otherwise its too late as ui have married to an ismaili man for 17 years, and now i came to find out they are not muslims, its better for you now otherwise its too late.

rani kana wrote at 2008-11-24 00:26:25
ismailis are idolators, the take agakhan as god who has received noor from Allah. they are big time mushriks, and muslims are not allowed to marry any of their men or woman. though they say he is just imam but they should see what they recite in their jamat khanas. the mukhis are agents of agakhan and their missionaries are brain washing their ismailis community. may Allah show them the true islam.

Akram wrote at 2008-12-06 15:59:46
My dear sister it is a very wrong perception regarding ismailies.I have studied great many books of ismailies and i am a student of history as well.his Highness shah Karim Al Hussaini is the the direct desendent Of Hazrat Ali and 49th successor and his guidance is super human so ismailies living accross the world are respected by the governments and the people even by all sects of islam in the in the islamic society except a few obscurantists. Ismailies believe in onness of Allah and The Last Prophet.My dear sister there is nothing wrong to marry with an ismaili.

sali wrote at 2009-01-06 03:03:00
my dear sister,

you asked a wonderful question but are you ready to accept the answer. dear ismailies should not be considered muslims, because they think karim agakhan as god, as they pray to him and thinks that he knows all and he gives them all too. ask the boy to explain the term " Mowla ko sab roshan hai" and :Jay Jay mangoon tee tuhi dewe" ask him as thats what he believes and also ask him to explain the ginan haq tu pak tu.

I was one of them SHUKAR KHUDA He enlightened me made me a muslim

FIRAZ wrote at 2009-05-17 15:54:36
Salaams,i really dont belive collin.she says Ismailis r not muslims.thats just crap.all u need to do is ask your guy if he belives in the last n final prophet and in 1 allah.if he says yes u should marry him.remember we r allowed to marry ppl of the book.pls stop judging ppl.my dad is an Ismaili and mom a sunni.Ismaili ppl r lovely ppl.FIRAZ BADROODEIN FROM SA.0824786321

Deedar Ali wrote at 2009-05-22 11:00:33
Who told that Ismailies are non-muslims. You answer is totally wrong.

Ismaili belives One God, Last prophet Hazrat Muhammabd (PBUH) and Hazrat Ali the First Imam and now we have 49th Live Imam Aga Khan.

La Ilah Illaho Muhammadur Rasoolah is our Kalima.

Your teacher is wrong so thats why ur answer is also wron.

Sister u can marry with Islamili Mulim boy.

Deedar Ali

javed wrote at 2009-05-29 07:23:42
there are 72 firqe of Islam in the world. as for as ismailies concern they are also muslims.islam allow you to marry with any of them. as for as 72 firqas are convern all are belive in one god.there is no harm to marry with ismaili boy or girl becouse ther are the part of islam.if some one says this is haram i think he is enemy of islam

Ali wrote at 2009-10-21 23:15:46
A simple solution is, Its either you convert to being an Ismaili or he converts to sunnism...which I doubt he will. You both are muslims so its up you. Ismailis are the shia sect of Islam. So from Sunni to Shia is a big leap and and same for him from shia to sunni.

Muhammed Ali wrote at 2009-10-28 19:49:53
Yaa Ali Madad my dear all Shia Muslims brothers who are the Lover of Ali (A.S) then i told you laddy that you just be in your circle okk?i think you dont know nothing bout the Ismaili if you were then you never said like this?

i asked you that who are you that you annouce about Hlal or Haraam ?

Muhammad mudassar qasim wrote at 2010-01-26 13:37:00
• They are Ismailis (not Muslims) and they follow a devil who claims to be a descendant of the Prophet (SAWS). He not only claims to be a descendant but the Ismaili belief is that the "Agha Khan" is both Allah "incarnate" and Rasulullah "incarnate", and Ismailis make du'aa to him!

MUHAMMAD MUDASSAR QASIM wrote at 2010-01-26 13:39:28
• They are Ismailis (not Muslims) and they follow a devil who claims to be a descendant of the Prophet (SAWS). He not only claims to be a descendant but the Ismaili belief is that the "Agha Khan" is both Allah "incarnate" and Rasulullah "incarnate", and Ismailis make du'aa to him!

MUHAMMAD MUDASSAR QASIM wrote at 2010-01-26 13:43:02
• They are Ismailis (not Muslims) and they follow a devil who claims to be a descendant of the Prophet (SAWS). He not only claims to be a descendant but the Ismaili belief is that the "Agha Khan" is both Allah "incarnate" and Rasulullah "incarnate", and Ismailis make du'aa to him!

imran wrote at 2010-02-02 06:10:24
ismali are muslims they too use same shahada as all muslims

they are a different denomination but are muslims none the less.your marriage will up hold but depending on your families they may not except each other families or your marriage and your love to each other.

according to some scholars not all muslims can marry any one that is al kitab or one who follows a book. 5 holy books Suhuf Ibrahim (commonly the Scrolls of Abraham), the Tawrat (Torah), the Zabur (commonly the Psalms), the Injil (commonly the Gospel), and the Qur'an.

farhan wrote at 2010-03-01 19:33:55

with respect to any isamili i wanna ask: if possible ask yes or no

1. Do you believe there is Noor of Allah been mixed in spirit of imam. Thinking that he do sex and go to toilet ... is it possible or acceptable to relate this to God ??

2. Can he forgive sins of any person ... i think he does as i have heard.. plz clarify .. Can any Human being ( if we considers him to be human being ) can do it?

3. Hazrat Muhammad ( May peace be with him ) and Ali did 5 times salat , Haj , roza if ismailis love ali ( even i heard in youtube that according to them ali is a creator of universe don’t know whether ismailis really believes this ) then why don’t you follow Rasoolullah and Ali ... if your answer is that it is outdated and now we have new version of salat as guided by our imam connected with God then why all prayers are shrinking and made easier why not there is some addition as there is more easy to travel like doing Haj and offer prayers ... why God Farz Haj in past as it was more difficult to travel why not now ?? Is it True as Haj been equal and performed if you have seen Aga Khan ???

4. Do you believe Quran as guide for us FOREVER ??? is that Outdated according to you??

5. if it is not easier to understand Quran by average Human being and Only imam can understand its hidden meaning then wny God has said in it that we have made it easier to understand then is there any one who can ponder in it ??

5. Why Quran is not taught in the beginning of childhood why it is taught in after matric or higher levels in JK night schools only if they choose it ? I have seen many ismailis who don’t know to read Quran???

6. if Imam knows the Hidden meaning of Quran then why he don’t reveal it in sermons and in open space and gathering so that all Muslims can take advantage to understand this and may be then believe his divine personality. Why he is deprived all Muslims of his knowledge of Quran ?? where can i listen to his sermons why other ignorant non isamilis are not allowed to enter jamatkhanas to understand religion like shia and sunnis allow even Christian allow this .

7. Logically is this possible that out of 5 – 6 billion in whole world only 10 million people in the world is on the right path ( Believing that 50% of 15-20 million ismailis are following there religion correctly ). With this grave situation of humanity is not the duty of ismailis to invite people openly to there religion so that all or at least Muslims are entered in Jannah . but on the contrary they practice in secrecy , not allow any non ismaili to enter in jamat khanas and even don’t discuss there believes to any fellow Muslims. Why such attitude.. do they believe humanity has not achieved enough intellectuality or maturity to understand there beliefs till that time arrives we should allow billions of people to go to hell. ???

8. Do you believe Ali to be creator of universe as depicted in Ginans :

You are the just, you are the sinless,

oh ali the gracious heavenly king, you are indeed all.

rab tu(n) rahemaan tu(n) ya ali aval akhar

kazi tu(n)hi tu........2

you are the sustainer, you are the merciful,

oh ali, you are the first and the last, the judge, you are indeed all.

Te upaayaa te nipaayaa sirjann haar

ya ali tu(n)hi tu.............3

you are the one who originated and you are the one who created, oh ali you the creator, you are indeed all.

Jal thal mull mandal haar naa

ya ali hukam teraa bi tu(n)hi tu....4

in the water and on the land, you have laid the

roots (foundations, of creation),

oh ali everything therein and on is

at your command, you are indeed all.

9. Do you bow down to picture of Aga Khan and take his name while you are in Sajadah ???

I respect Aga Khan he is better person then me but it does`nt mean that i cant ask my queries. i am sorry if i hurt any ismaili person but i ask with open mind. Thanks

asif wrote at 2010-04-28 14:34:27
i gave u just one example there is a one apple a group of people sitting near and they are gusing each other one of them said the aple is not good they cant touch the aple they are just coments on the aple.without touch the aple how we can say that apl[ple is not taste or agood.so my brothers tasts the ismaili realision.

myStic wrote at 2010-05-24 05:43:22
"muslims can marry only muslims" is what this so-called expert tell us... where as, marriages with ahl-e-kitab are allowed in islam... besides, on what basis u so-called expert said ismailis are non-muslims? they believe in Allah, they believe Mohammad (PBUH) was the last prophet of Allah, they are a branch of shia muslims... and stop judging people as if God has put this responsibility on ur shoulders to judge who is a muslim and who isnt, tht's non of ur business.. only Allah knows who is the righteous... I was shocked to see the expertise of the so-called expert on this website... u need to do a lot of research to call urself an an expert of islam...

peace...

Mohammed Ali wrote at 2010-06-19 06:57:40
As Salaam Alaikum,

Dear brothers and sisters at any cost Ismailis are NOT MUSLIMS first of all they dont follow and believe in the five pillars of Islam and they dont perform taharat (cleaning the genital parts after getting relieved) and ismailis simply pray Aga Khan nauzbillah they address him as Maula, Ismailis take and give interest, Drinking Sharaab is permissible in their religion, if go to Jamaat Khana (Haraam Khana) they pray Aga Khan, nauzbillah seeing Aga khan is considered as HAjj for them they call it as Deedar and after finishing their prayers they greet each other saying Shah jo Deedar means (tumko aga khan ka deedar naseeb ho) they take food to their jamaat khan and auction it and the money goes to jamaat khana they call it Nandi and my brothers and sisters they preach aga khan in their jamaat khana's in a rythmic was and call it as Ginan u know guys this is the only one sect in the whole world who dont bow their heads in front of the Almighty Allah the bottom line is ISMAILIS ARE NOT MUSLIMS AND SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS MUSLIMS BECAUSE THEY PREACH AGA KHAN AS MAULA (NAUZBILLA),

Anisaq wrote at 2010-07-20 11:50:18
Can any Muslim from the sect ismaili answer the ques Mr. farhan have asked i aint Allah but i follow his commands in Quran and we all are humans lets discuss and get more details...

weee wrote at 2010-07-23 21:24:30
Who told you that Ismailis are not muslims, damn it. This guy sucks who has answered above. Its absolutely halaal to marry ismaili boy.

Ahmed wrote at 2010-07-27 14:34:31
Hey Ismailis are Muslims as well....So the marriage is halal. I am a Sunni but my wife is an Ismaili and our marriage was halal since day one so there is no way that Ismailis are non muslims as my learned friend said or meant to say.

Maheen Amjad wrote at 2010-08-04 09:17:15
u better consult the right person lady... you want to know about ismailism ask me... these ppl just blurrs every vision... do ur research God has given u power of observation... utilize it... :)

Heya wrote at 2010-08-23 12:32:32
Ismailis are and were the assassins of muslims and nobody but mighty Allah has the power to revoke or change the laws that HE set forth. Not Ali, not muhammad and certainly not a conman called Aga khan.

Because ismailis have revoked every single law and command in Islam they are not muslims. Get over it. Keep telling yourself you are on the right path. Brainwashing will do that to people.

The final prophet was muhammad and end of story. We have our guidance in the book of Allah the Quran and in the life lived by Muhammad as stated in the Hadiths. If you doubt eitehr one of the two you are no longer a muslim.

And Islam does prohibit Batinism/estorism so the fact that you believe differently does not make it islam. It is called denial. Why would anybody who calls himself a messenger of Allah contradict the message of Allah? Why seek forgivenes and help with a simple man who does not know anything about islam and not with Allah who created you and him?

Get your facts straight before you start talking about being muslims. You are s mere sect and do not belong to islam. You are a cult on equal terms with Jehovas witnesses except even they do not refuse to believe their bible but live by it.

You can not change what Allah has created and conman Aga Khan is no authority either. Nobody but Allah.

Muslims = adhere to one god (allah) and believe muhammad was his last prophet. They believe unconditionally in the Quran and its laws as stated in the hadith/sunnah.

Ismailis = refuse to acknowledge Islam and its laws. They refuse to pray salah but have instead made up their own prayers and even changed the testimony (shahada) suit their blasphemy. They believe in hidden meanings even when Allah has forbidden batin clearly in the Quran. They refuse to pray the way that Muhammad and Ali did. They refuse to believe in the Quran but change it according to their own perverse needs. They ridicule those who stick to the Quran as being primitive and non humans (e.g. donkeys). They seek constant proof for something that does not exist. They believe Allah conspired against ismailis and therefore the "evil" sunnis have removed all trace of Ali in the Quran and hadiths. Of course Ali was never mentioned in the first place but when you want something bad enough, just do like the ismaili. Make it up. They devided themselves from the main shia branch over disagreements of Al Sadiq(?) or whoever. Little known to Ismailis Allahhas forbidden muslims to divide into subgroups to deter division. Of course Ismailis don't acknowledge the word of Allah but aga khan. They adhere to a man not Allah and by changing Islam there is not much left of islam in Ismailism not that there was much to begin with. Their imams live under the false impression that they are divine and have the authority to change and remove things as they see fit. Again they forget who created them and who really has the ojnly authority. There is only one right here; either Allah or Ismailis and the truth is Allah. Ismailis are a sect who should be ashamed of themselves to even call themselves muslims. Forget sunni even mainstream shia do not acknowledge ismailis as being muslims. Ismailis = kafir.

They even made up a greeting for Ali. Why not just the greeting that Muhammad used? No it would not serve the blasphemic purpose of seeking help with Ali. This sick obsession with a man who was a supporter of Muhammad. He was never muhammad or Allah. Surely Muhammad should then have been paying sujood to Ali? You refuse to face the qibla because your imam says so although the Quran makes that clear and important during prayer. It aint a choice. Ismailis do what their leader feeds them. If he asked them to jump in the nearest river they would without hesitation. They put a mere conman higher than Allah. Subhanallah. What great mockery they have created of Allah and his message of Islam. And now they go anal because their fraud is revealed.

He it is Who has revealed the Book to you; some of its verses are decisive, they are the basis of the Book, and others are allegorical; then as for those in whose hearts there is perversity they follow the part of it which is allegorical, seeking to mislead and seeking to give it (their own) interpretation. but none knows its interpretation except Allah, and those who are firmly rooted in knowledge say: We believe in it, it is all from our Lord; and none do mind except those having understanding. (003.007)

Ismailis doubt the Quran while Allah clearly says:

The Truth is from thy Lord; so be not at all in doubt. (002.147)

They seek to promote their own false and decietful interpretations when Allah says:

He it is Who has revealed the Book to you; some of its verses are decisive, they are the basis of the Book, and others are allegorical; then as for those in whose hearts there is perversity they follow the part of it which is allegorical, seeking to mislead and seeking to give it (their own) interpretation. but none knows its interpretation except Allah, and those who are firmly rooted in knowledge say: We believe in it, it is all from our Lord; and none do mind except those having understanding. (003.007)

Ismailis divided themselves from shia which divided itself from sunnis knowing very well that Allah says:

As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou hast no part in them in the least: their affair is with Allah: He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did. (006.159)

But people have cut off their affair (of unity), between them, into sects: each party rejoices in that which is with itself. (023.053)

Ismailis (sects are ignorant) because Allah states so:

But leave them in their confused ignorance for a time. (023.054)

Why Muslims can not sit with Ismailis (kafirs) and why the two are not the same:

Turn ye back in repentance to Him, and fear Him: establish regular prayers, and be not ye among those who join gods with Allah,- (030.031)

Those who split up their Religion, and become (mere) Sects,- each party rejoicing in that which is with itself! (030.032 )

Why muslims will never worship anybody but Allah but Ismailis will:

For Allah, He is my Lord and your Lord: so worship ye Him: this is a Straight Way." (043.064 )

Why Ismailis are not muslims - again because they will not submit to Allah but a mere man:

'Amongst us are some that submit their wills (to Allah), and some that swerve from justice. Now those who submit their wills - they have sought out (the path) of right conduct: (072.014 )

How sects (Ismailis) rejects islam will burn in hell:

Can they be (like) those who accept a Clear (Sign) from their Lord, and whom a witness from Himself doth teach, as did the Book of Moses before it,- a guide and a mercy? They believe therein; but those of the Sects that reject it,- the Fire will be their promised meeting-place. Be not then in doubt thereon: for it is the truth from thy Lord: yet many among men do not believe! (011.017 )

Aga Khan = Satan's accomplice:

Satan makes them promises, and creates in them false desires; but satan's promises are nothing but deception. 004.120

Prove that Allah knew sinners like Ismailis would hate his word:

And Allah by His words doth prove and establish His truth, however much the sinners may hate it!"(010.082)

Why Only Allah can help muslims and not Aga Khan or Muhammad or Ali:

Nay, who is there that can help you, (even as) an army, besides (Allah) Most Merciful? In nothing but delusion are the Unbelievers (067.020)

Why it does matter which way you face during salah (of course Ismailis have abandoned salah altogether too and invoked their own 3 time daily false prayer in which they chant for Aga khan and his falsehood):

We see the turning of thy face (for guidance to the heavens: now Shall We turn thee to a Qibla that shall please thee. Turn then Thy face in the direction of the sacred Mosque: Wherever ye are, turn your faces in that direction. The people of the Book know well that that is the truth from their Lord. Nor is Allah unmindful of what they do. (002.144 )

Hinza Awan wrote at 2010-08-23 15:18:13
Salam to all,

Remember "Half knowledge is very dangerous" most of them are wrong because its only bullshit. I am Sunni girl and research at Imam Aga Khan community and i am only founding that they are Muslim and they have a powerful brotherhood system which we cant adopt.

Imama Aga Khan is only Guardian of Ismaili Shia and He is not God (True preception of Aga Khan.

This is my Research.

mo1964 wrote at 2010-11-01 02:15:23
From what iv seen,

Ismails do not pray...5 times, Salat

They do not Go to HUjj,

They do not Fast,

Nor do they pay Zakat,

Yes they do belive in the Shahada,, but they do not follow the holy book,

Or what it says

It is a fact that they do not bow there head towards the kaba,

They do belive that seeing the face of there imam is = to going to Hajj,

They drink and are allowed to do so, since the imam Aga Khan does they can,

They to not have to eat Hallal food, Evan pork is allowed,

There praying time is taken up by chanting and singing,

They all so meditate,, Light candles ect..

They belive that they are of a higher standing than Muslims from the Sunni and Shia, because they have changed over the years, according to what the Aga khan has told them fharman,

It is also true that the Aga khan has said that he has a book which was sent down , from which he can inform his followers about things as time goes by,

It is also true that a Non Ismaili, is not alowed to see what goes on when they get together,

These are facts, as i have seen them take place

And since evan the Last messinger of islam said the the book was sent down from God and his own actions where those that pleased god,

And it was to be the last Book and words from God,

Then any change in the basic rules as layed down In the 5 pillars of Islam,,, means that you do not accept gods book, and the teachings of his messinger,

This in turn means you are following a new faith,, which cant be Islam

follow the one book means you are a muslim,

Follow another and you are not

Sadia wrote at 2010-11-21 08:22:23
Hi,

I am so suprised that people have NOT done there research. I am a sunni Muslim studying Islamic Studies at University level.

I would like to enlighten you all to know the following facts about ismailis.

1. Same Kalma (one ALLAH and MUHAMMAD is the mesenger of ALAH

2. They fast during ramadan, and additional days during the year

3. Very well educated, as building intellect is fundamental in Islam

4. Jamatkhanas are built and designed so that the pray hall faces the Kaba

5. Pork is HARAM, they are taught to eat Halal food

6. Their community pays more zakaat than therequired amounts in ISLAM.

7. They help each and everyone, throughout history and current day, no matter what the religion is of he/she who is being helped.

fresheart4u wrote at 2010-12-11 16:28:50
This topic caught my eyes and I felt that after so many posts over the period of 7 years and made me write a response to this topic. As a famous saying that when something wrong is happening and if you keep yourself silent means you are the part of that wrong doing. I appreciate peoples interest in this debate. I like those who answered and put their comments without hurting any one and discourage those who makes statements without any knowledge.

In 2007 in Los Angeles, when Imam karim Aga khan meet his jamat in the Darbar for his Golden jubilee of Ismaili Imamat he made it very clear, When people want to know about your FAITH (He did not used word religion) explain them to the best of your knowledge, if they don't understand leave it alone because if they don't want to understand means they don't want to understand. It means it is necessary to understand the faith of Ismailism, Ismailism is not a religion it is a faith.

As far as he is GOD or not it is one's own judgement. On his visit to his followers he always uses this terms, I pray for your health, happiness, prosperity, unity in your family and for you to be on the right path of Sirat Ul mustaqim.

The Ginans mentioned in earlier posts like "Jay jay mangu tey Tuhi deway" mean what ever I ask is given by you. "Haq tu pak tu, Badshah meharban tu" were written by Sunni pirs and saints like Pir Sadardin and Pir Shams Tabrez of Multan. They even never met the Imam. They wrote their poetry by inspiring from Quran. Ismailies have adopted their poetry under the guidance of their Imam for the murid's spirituals upliftment. These ginans are same as other muslim faiths do from their Chants in Syria or Qasidas in Afghanistan and Iran.

The fiath of Ismailism teaches:

Tolerance,

Literacy,

Pluralism,

Generosity in Time, knowledge and Resources.

Care of needy and equality in society.

Meritocracy.

What else the isamili do which is against the Islam.

Prince Karim Agakhan is very keen to bring the Islam's image back to norm through is diplomatic ties. His efforts are helping the entire Ummah.

I guess we all remember that he was the only Non political leader of the world who was invited to Seerat Conference and First Islamic summit in Pakistan in 1974.

This is all and I am sure people would try to understand this faith and Imam's commitment to the Ummah. Let's not forget how respectful he is in this world and now in muslim world, like Syria, Egypt, UAE, Doha, Mali etc.

shams wrote at 2011-02-12 01:18:47
salam to brothers and sister. i was once a ismailie but i have converted due to the following things they follow. they say going to khane is like going to makah to perfome haji, NO WAY TO THAT/ you have pay to be in some special prayer if u dont pay u cant stay, half of the things they do they dont know why they do it, everyone praises aga khane like if he is god staferallah, they say u have to pray to aga khane and then to ali and then to muhammed sws and then your prayer will be send to allah. this is all wrong and they dont even recite the quran. from what i experienced ismailies are way off board. praseing a man is wrong if he is who u think he is then aga khane should be spreading islam all over the world like prophet muhammed sws. prophet muhammed could of choise any of the sahabas to be followed by and prophet muhammed said many good things about all the suhabas. the person that look for his right deen will find it inshallah if allah has chosen him/her to be guided to the right path.

asif wrote at 2011-03-07 21:14:43
Wa aleykum salam!

As it is well known that Islam is sub divided into 72 or more sects

and all 72 sects follow the islamic rules set by Holy Prophet (PBUH). as ismailies are concerned they also follow islamic rules, i my self study lot about ismaili muslims, they are under umbrella of Imammat directly linked by our Holy prophet (PBUH).

As marriage is concerned, you can marry ismaili muslims.

thanks

DR.Muhammad Asif Khan

PhD. spiritual sciences.

Madina wrote at 2011-03-15 06:20:53
HEY EVERYONE WHO IS SAYING THAT ISMAILIES ARE NOT MUSLIM ... WE DO NOT CARE WHAT YOU PEOPLE BELIEVE OR THINK IT DOES NOT MATTER TO US. THE ONLY THING MATTER TO US IS THAT ALLAH KNOWS WE BELIEVE ON HIM AND WE KNOW THAT WE ARE ALLAH'S FOLLOWERS AND WE BELIEVE ON QURAN AND WE BELIEVE THAT MUHAMMAD p.B.U.H IS THE LAST PROPHET SO THAT IS ALL MATTERS FOR US AND U GUYS SHUT UR MOUTHS AND KEEP UR MOUTHS QUITE WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU GUYS THINK OR BELIEVE OK. YOU GUYS HAVE NO RIGHT TO JUDGE US AND NO ONE HAS GIVEN YOU THE RIGHT TO SAY A WORD AGAINST ANY MUSLIM..... BEFORE POINTING YOUR FINGER TO SOMEONE YOU SHOULD FIRST KNOW WHAT THAT PERSON IS AND YOU SHOULD HAVE MUCH INFORMATION ABOUT THAT PERSON OR THING :) I THINK IT IS ENOUGH FOR YOU GUYS:) SO PLZZZZ PLZZZZZZZZ STOP STOP ! TALKING ABOUT ISMAILIES JUST LEAVE US ALONEE AND LET US BE WHAT WE ARE, WE ARE NOT GOING TO LISTEN TO WHAT YOU GUYS SAY WE KNOW WE ARE MUSLIM AND THAT IS ALL MATTERS!

karimuddin wrote at 2011-03-17 17:35:17
In my view an ismaili is also a Muslim.first of all ismailies are the Muslims and these are (Ismailies)a sect of Islam like Sunni.they fallow all the basic stages of Islam and perform the duties.Any person who belive in Allah and the last prophet of Allah, he is a muslim then he/she is sunni,shia,ismaili or any other community he belongs. for further details please contact me on my ID.I hope I will be able to solve your this misunderstanding.

burfat_k@yahoo.com

MUQEET wrote at 2011-03-25 07:03:09
WELL CAN SOMEBODY ANSWER THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS

WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF ISLAM AND MUSLIM/

AND WHO IS THE COMPETENT AUTHORITY TO DECLARE SOMEONE MUSLIM OR NON MUSLIM

naeem jan wrote at 2011-04-01 12:08:57

I am here to answer to you Mr. Farhan

1) Noor of Allah is not mixing with any one in this world but God gives same special things to his special person like muian ud din chusti like shahbaz qalander like rabia bassri it is not mean that they have Noor of Allah.in quran surah nisa verse 59 Allah says (O ye who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those charged with authority among you )he has authority because he belongs to allay bait that’s whey we are obeying him it mean not that he ha the Noor Allah

2) No one has the power that he can forgive the sin accept Allah but imam only avoid us to do the sin

3) Yes we are doing prayers of 5 time it is not prohibited to Ismailis but you are talking about the dua which we are doing regularly it is dua not prayer there is there is lot of different b/w prayer and dua and if any ismaili wealthy he can do haji but any one have not he cant do that by taking loans.

4) Yes there is no debit that Quran is guidance for ever to the Muslim the day of end.

5) Hhn my brother you didn’t under stand the meaning if this words hidden meaning of Quran does not means of that meaning of that words which are in Quran it some that some thing witch are not in Quran but they have strong link with Islam e.g. donkey is haram our jahaz is haram it not in Quran imam tells about this things not the words which are in Quran. ya Allah has told 4 time in one surah that Quran is in the simplest farm .

6) Who has told you that Quran is not taught In jk from nursery class the Quran is been taught in jk in nursery class we are teaching Quran Qaida to children from here we are teaching Quran of course we are not using such a strategy for teaching the Quran which is in madrasahs bit with pips etc.

7) jamat khana is not only pray hall for us in there we have offices, finance system and anther things that’s whey due to security reason we are not allowing any non ismaili to inter in jk.

8) Whose has told you that we are not preaching Islam we are preaching Islam by our work by helping people by giving them education by giving them health facilities. For that purpose (AKDN) has open 52 institutions all over the world. We are preaching Islam to non Muslims not in different sects of Islam like other doing

9) Yes we are giving priority to hazart ali than other khalifas because in the place of gadir khum prophet(pbun) said that(man kun tum mola fahaza ali mola) and he is the first imam of us yes in the ginan the person sad that is not mean that Ali is God in Sufism a stage camas which is called marifat in the that stage a person says any word to his beloved he say GOD creator any word he uses like mansoor halaj sad annal haq the is the case of one person not the hole sect if you read about Sufism you will came to know about this .

10) Yes we are taking the name of Allah when we are taking sajdah in namaz we are saying(subhana rabbi al ala) mean Glory be to my Lord, the most High and in dua we are saying (allah hum malakh su jodi wata ati)mean oh allah my all sajadh and worshipping’s are only and only for you .

If you have still confusion you can contct on my mail(naeemjan2010@live.com) my the brother you need more study about islam to know about the sects of islam

My sister madina don’t be upset try to defend then you can contact my mail

Zulfiqar Haider wrote at 2011-04-21 08:54:27
A O A. I am deeply sorry to know that many of Muslim brothers and sisters yet not know that Ismailis are also Muslims and called (Shia Imami Ismaili Muslims. We pray only Allah and belive on Hazrat Muhammad (PCBUH, Quran and say Kalma (Lailaha Illalaho Muhammad ur Rasool ul llah. Any Muslim girl can get married with any Ismaili Muslim boy.

zebkhan2003 wrote at 2011-05-12 00:40:27
Well! I am pretty sure most of you are posting your comments out of rumor not knowledge. I remember what people used to say about Ismalies back in Pakistan, and I used to believe it. Ismailies are way different than what others trying to portray them. Although I haven't seen or heard any Ismailies going for Haj or praying five time, I see no problem believing them if they say that they do pray five times and go to Hajj. Please note Naeem Jan said it in his reply to Mr. Farhan. You all should accept it that Aga Khan is doing so much charity all around the world and that facilitating everyone regardless of their belief and cast. He is very well educated and respected person and gets especial treatment wherever he goes. I think in this troublesome time for Muslims, he is trying to show a bright side of Islam to the Non-Muslim nations. In my opinion, he is billion time better than current existing Muslim leaders. Lets appreciate his work and thank him for spending his time and energy to develop a better image of Islam and Muslim.

Pointing someone as wrong or even a Kafir because they don't recite the same Kalma or don't believe the way you do will create more problem for Muslim. Lets not make anymore division among Muslim. We are in deep trouble already. Lets not make it worst. All we can do is pray to Allah and ask him to show us and others the right path, the sirat e mustakeem.

For the sister who married to a Ismaily: It is good to consult

with a scholar of your own belief regarding that. They are the one who can guide you better. We are all here getting educated. I don't think anyone here has authority to say anything with period:) Don't get any idea from this forum. This might create problem between you and your husband.

Muhammad Ali Shah wrote at 2011-05-16 07:40:45
Muslims can marry with ismailies because Ismaili tarriqa comes under 72 sects of Islam.The Ismailies also believe Touheed, Naboowat and Arakeen Islam.

sammar wrote at 2011-06-07 19:25:18
Its indeed very doubtful for all the people in the world about Ismaili.My friends are all ismailis--i dont interefere with their beliefe and i dont care what they do ,my religion or faith is what i see in the quran--pray 5 times a day, keep faith in all the 5 pillars of islam.and in one beleife that there is only one GOd Allah and Prophet Mohammad his his messenger.There is nothing beyond this and May Allah show us the right path and guide us in the right direction.May Allah SWT have Mercy on us and our children.

komal nadeem wrote at 2011-06-07 20:44:04
is ismailis are really muslim? i want to marry with a boy he is ismaili and i am sunni what can i do?

Ali Sayyed wrote at 2011-06-13 09:58:07
Assalamwalaykum to all my Sisters & Brothers...

I am not a Alim nor having much knowledge about Islam I am just a common Muslim guy having basic knowledge about our religion...

first of all I would like to Appreciate word's of zebkhan2003 which seems digestible to all whether Sunni or Shia or Ismaili...

But still as I had said I have basic knowledge of our Religion "Islam" I cant see anything spiritual or Religious in Ismaili Jamaat...

As Mr.naeem jan & Hinza Awan is trying to show is just a Better Image of Ismailis by the terms of Charity & Humanity...

I had visited their site www.theismaili.org in which you can see all the charitable work & Events but nothing about Islam or its teaching....

If you say Charity & Humanity is a Part of Islam which again I agree but most of other religion's do Charity & Humanity work as well...

Where is Islam & its teaching in Islaili Jamaat...

I agree you believe in 1 God & his Messenger & everything which a Muslim must but then where it is in your deeds???

And the things you do In JK conflicts with Islam... (photo of Aga Khan & Chanting his Name etc...)

You say you teach Quran in JK but most of my Iamaili friends dont know Quran.

They are Modern & adequate but no knowledge of their own religion.

Sorry My Brothers whether your belief is same but you are different coz of your Deeds (which doesn't shows Islam in it)

You are Doing Duniya but not Deen.

Allah Knows Better.

AHMED M SIDIK wrote at 2011-06-21 10:27:38
MINE IS JUST TO ASK THIS:-

IF SUNNIS SAY THAT WE CANNOT DIVIDE RELIGION THEN WHY IS IT THAT THEY HAVE 4 IMAMS WHO HAVE THEIR FOLLOWERS AND EACH SECT BELIEVES IN THESE IMAMS NAMELY:- HANAFI, SHAFI, HANBALI AND MALIK OF WHICH THEY CALL MADHHABS. BUT THEY CANNOT FOLLOW WHAT THE OTHER IMAM DID OR SAID

salah wrote at 2011-07-06 06:33:40
nikah is hallal with aheley kitab u can marry with him.beacuse they are Muslim and one of the most peace set in Islam which is the basic element of the Islam. they believe one Allah quran profitmohd and others beliefs of Islam also. if there is still any ambiguity read abut ismaily. i prefer ismaily then Sunnis

The Kalima is interpreted after the Muhammad PBUH when he delegated Ali as Mola (every one knows in Gadeer Kuhm)and this is the main kalima of islam. One who does't belive on Mola Ali (AS) he can not belive himself as Momen means the true muslim.

Now in shia islam the mola Ali (AS) was the 1st imam or Mola.

What is an Imam? the imam means the only authorized person who can interpreat the islamic practices through Quranic contexts and hadis. An imam is selecting by the perious imam. But a Profhet is selecting by Allah. No one can say imam is seleting by Allah. There is no verse in Quran or there is not a hadis for proof. Profhet Muhammad PBUH said that "I am leaving Two major things after my life, one is Quran and other is my Ahle Bait. if you stronghly follow these tow things then you never lost any time upto Oze Kosar (means Qayamat) and these two things are superior then each other means quran is superior then Ahle Bait (AS) and Ahle Bait is superior then Quran (It means both are the same in quality)".

Now i have a question to all of you who is Ahle Bait. We all have quran but no one is ahle bait (AS) Answer me?

The Kalima is interpreted after the Muhammad PBUH when he delegated Ali as Mola (every one knows in Gadeer Kuhm)and this is the main kalima of islam. One who does't belive on Mola Ali (AS) he can not belive himself as Momen means the true muslim.

Now in shia islam the mola Ali (AS) was the 1st imam or Mola.

What is an Imam? the imam means the only authorized person who can interpreat the islamic practices through Quranic contexts and hadis. An imam is selecting by the perious imam. But a Profhet is selecting by Allah. No one can say imam is seleting by Allah. There is no verse in Quran or there is not a hadis for proof. Profhet Muhammad PBUH said that "I am leaving Two major things after my life, one is Quran and other is my Ahle Bait. if you stronghly follow these tow things then you never lost any time upto Oze Kosar (means Qayamat) and these two things are superior then each other means quran is superior then Ahle Bait (AS) and Ahle Bait is superior then Quran (It means both are the same in quality)".

Now i have a question to all of you who is Ahle Bait. We all have quran but no one is ahle bait (AS) Answer me?

Ali wrote at 2011-07-10 07:58:47
one how are called Ismaili are not Muslims then you are requested to please visit on

whatever wrote at 2011-09-02 17:48:17
Sunnis and Shias have no real community. Even in prayer they feel Allah won't listen to them unless there is a wall between the men and women. You will think of the opposite sex even more when it is repressed. How can a community and love grow when men and women cannot even interact in Allah's presence. There is a lot of jealousy because ismailies have a community and both male and females can interact with each other. Another reason ismailies have a community is because most understand the same message because of one imam who still says i can guide you but decide for yourself, whereas in the sunni and shia religions, there are 10,000 imams giving different advice and quran interpretations. The truth is many sunnis and shias are jealous and feel threatened their religion could be wrong because the aga khan is a direct descendent of mohammed. The only reaction is to not look deeper, or to deny, or to hate. Who cares one way or the other? Did Allah say its your business? I'm not saying ismailies are better. Allah only cares about character, not your religion. One more thing, when you pass away, you will not be muslim, you will be a spirit only. So dont hang on so hard to being a muslim or not. It will all be dropped and the truth will be there in the afterlife. So relax and I won't say get a life, but rather, live your own life and don't judge who's muslim or not. You think God really cares? He cares who's a good person or not. You only believe what you believe because you were born into it. God knows this. So stop caring who's muslim or not. Judge the heart, but wait, you can't only God can. Exactly, so turn your interests elsewhere.

H.ANJU wrote at 2011-09-21 10:39:57
I am an Ismaili, i have been through all these comments and after all my conclusion is this that our MUSLIM brothers "THE SUNNIS" have a very little knowledge about us. Islam has taught us peace, tolerance and other addicates, do you have these properties? If you call Ismailis "NON MUSLIMS" then what name will you give to those whose attack your mosques and are sunnis, belonging to Al Qaida and other terrorist groups? What would you call them who rape four or six year baby girls?. What would you call them who eat meat of death bodies by demolishing their tombs? DO Islam teach this to you?.

Have you ever listened that an Ismaili commited suiside attack, eat meat of death bodies, raped six year baby?

If we are not following QURAN, SUNNAH,SALAAT,FAST AND HAJJ then from where we got these qualities? You people are thinking about Muslims and Islam at a very low level but we get indepth of it.

I am also a tutor, a MOWLAVI sahib teaching my students QURAN but he nevere explained that what he had taught them? My students don't know what have they learant from Quran? If he will not explain the meaning of Quranic verses in simple word or in urdu language then how would the follow the right path?

Shah wrote at 2011-10-15 21:13:40
I was an Ismaili before, but by mercy of Allah Almighty I converted. To all other brothers, please don't ask why Ismailis don't pray, don't give Zakat etc.etc. because they are asked these type of questions everyday and they have answers for them.

On the 13th day of December, 1986 a revised Constitution for The Shia Imami Ismaili Muslims was ordained under the Sign Manual and Seal of Mawlana Hazar Imam Shah Karim al Hussaini His Highness Prince Aga Khan the 49th Imam of the Shia Imami Ismaili Muslims, at Merimont, Geneva, Switzerland. The very first article of the said Constitution is the ‘Power and Authority of Mawlana Hazar Imam: The first clause of the said article reads:

1.1 Mawlana Hazar Imam has inherent right and absolute and unfettered power and authority over and in respect of all religious and Jamati matters of the Ismailis. An Ismaili Momin who has taken an oath of allegiance (Baiyat) to his or her Hazar Imam has committed himself or herself to abide by this Constitution and obey the Aga Khan’s authority as the Supreme Authority over and in respect of all religious and Jamati matters.

An Ismaili Momin who has taken an oath of allegiance (Baiyat) to his or her Hazar Imam has committed himself or herself to abide by this Constitution and obey the Aga Khan’s authority as the Supreme Authority over and in respect of all religious and Jamati matters.

2. Double Standards in Prayers.

I want to ask all Ismailis. Don't you ask for forgiveness from Aga Khan? Don't you ask Aga Khan to make all your difficulties easy? Don't you ask Aga Khan to grant you success in your spiritual life? For forgiveness of the deceased? For prosperity of your family? These all duas are done, and they specifically mention the name saying that , "Aye Noor Molana Shah Karim Hussaini Hazir Imam, Absolve the Sins of the Jamat". (Naooz u Billah). All Ismailis, tell me don't you ask Aga Khan for all these? Then what is your justification to say that you believe in Allah and his prophet.

And they have double standard in their prayers. In one verse of their prayers, they ask forgiveness from Hazrat Ali. In one part from Aga Khan, but depsite that in their prayers they say that "Allah uma laka sujoodi wa taghati". (My Sajda and Ataghat are for Allah). What the hell is this double standard? Who is your god? Allah? Hazrat Ali? or Aga Khan?

Part 2 of Ismaili Prayers. ""Oh Allah, O our Lord, from Thee is my help and upon Thee is my reliance. Thee alone we worship and from Thee alone we seek help". Immediately after this, they recite: "O Ali, come to my help by Thy favours".

In Part 3 of Dua, they recite: "Seek at the time of difficulty the help of your Lord, the present (Imam) Shah Karim al-Husayni".

3. Imam is the savior at the Day of Resurrection.

The sayings of the 48th Imam of Ismailis.

"Do not at all ponder about the future and do not at all think over whether you shall receive Heaven or Hell in the hereafter. Because, all things - Heaven and Hell, (to give) is in my hand." Sultan Muhammad Shah, 20th February, 1910 (Khangi Farman, Page 72)

Respresentatives sprinkle a holy water, (process called Chhanta) on the faces of living and deceased Ismailis to absolve the sins they had committed. Can a human being absolve the sins of another human?

Just pick up Quran and read it. You are not living in Historical era. You have access to internet, you can download quran with translation. If you don't read and understand you are guilty in the eyes of Allah. Most of the Ismailis, don't read Quran and say that Aga Khan is talking Quran. Just pick Quran and read it with translation and as promised by Allah "We have made the Quran easy for you to understand", you will find that it is very easy to understand it.

It is my duty to tell everyone that Isamilis are doing wrong. Allah will ask me on the Day of Resurrection, that I saved you from 'Shirk', what you did for me? I can give an answer that I tried to spread your message and highlight the wrongs others were doing.

Ask Allah for hidayat and Straight Path. And don't worry if no one believes in the wrongs they are doing as Allah says.

And We have put before them a barrier and behind them a barrier and covered them, so they do not see.And it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe. Quran 36:9-10

arif wrote at 2011-11-21 15:32:47
Hello....

All commentators are too intelligent......

World (Dunia) is the testbed for all the human...who will succeed dont know...

One part is sure "Those who are making sects/modifying the gods message" are really nasty and dangerous.

For sure ...prophet has already indicated "dont worry you will see/face many sects in islam"....

keep your head cool because prohet has already given the solution for the forseen problem/anxiety.

One of my cousin brother is also a leader of new sect in islam.I do joke with him and tell "brother you are using 1000...>>% of your brain".

Dont worry friends "Be strong and believe only on the quran and the hadith(authentic)."

I must no body will distract you.

Cheers

Ahmad wrote at 2011-12-13 07:30:59
Ismaili are saying we are muslim, but it's quiet clear that they are not because if a person don't obey one verse of Quran he/she would be none muslim and Ismaili does not believe most of the Quran, please Ismaili borhter and sister, go and see the Quran and look to your believes and then compare, you will have the answer.... it's not enough believe on Allah and his prophet, we need to believe on teaching of Allah i.e. Quran.

fahed wrote at 2011-12-19 20:20:16
I don't understand why people are so keen on deciding who is muslim and who is not. Why can't we just respect everyone? We can find good and bad people everywhere. And a true Muslim does not need to prove anything, if you feel you are then you are. When people don't wanna understand you, its just waste explaining even Allah won't be happy with this.

techs wrote at 2011-12-25 22:34:29
ismailis are also affiliate with freemason which is a system in the world which is against Islam..so why should they call them selves muslims while they against it?,they don't play five salat as Allah -sw taught in the holy Quran,they don't fast they don't even know how to read verses of Quran...how comes they call them selves Muslims.

Kaz wrote at 2012-01-09 03:29:31
I have read enough of this rubbish now, who are you people to decide who is a kaphir or not, Allah will curse you all because you or I or anyone really does not know what happened at the time of the prophet and you are judging on that basis of historians and peopele that may have munipulated history, Shia Muslims believe that Imam Ali was passed as successor at Gadheer Kumbh and the 2 weighty things would not part till the day of judgement if that event happened all the other sects of Islam in the world are kaphirs (my point is until you know you can not judge) They do not take Aga Khan to be Allah, whoever tells you that even if it is an Ismaili really does not understand what their Imam is as for praying to a picture of Aga Khan that is total rubbish as well there maybe a picture of him in their place of prayer however they do not face it and pray. As for not following what the Quran says they are an esoteric faith and believe in ripening the soul by taking Gods name in the back of their minds all day not only 5 times a day (a hadith of Prophet Mohamed is "he who thinks of God at a time other than that of the time of prayer it is counted the same as prayer" and that is according to Bukhari Hadith). They believe that prayer is not forgiven even if you are at work you have Salahs to do so do them if you are at work do them when you finish if you are on the train and can not be clean do them Allah know what lies in your heart. As for not obeying one verse of the Quran that baffles me have you seen the way they practice faith? that you are making that judgement, as per any community/sect there are people who break their faith I as an atheist know many muslims sunni and shia that drink, gamble etc etc. You may say YES they think praying and remembering Allah is more important than being clean or facing the Kabba but anyone who disagrees with that truely does not understand Allah, Allah does not sit in the Kabba alone he is everywhere and sees everything surah 2 ayat 177 "It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces to the East and the West; but righteous is he who believeth in Allah and the Last Day and the angels and the Scripture and the prophets; and giveth wealth, for love of Him, to kinsfolk and to orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and to those who ask, and to set slaves free; and observeth proper worship and payeth the poor-due. And those who keep their treaty when they make one, and the patient in tribulation and adversity and time of stress. Such are they who are sincere. Such are the God-fearing." as for the 3 salas a day that they do please show me the ayat in the Quran that specifies 5 salas (most people who are meant to do 5 salahs a day do not even manage to do 2) and what is the excuse "oh I am working so I am forgiven" Ismailis do not believe that, because they are an esoteric faith. Now you say they are not Muslims the main thing the prophet practised most other sects of Islam do not practice (meditation for enlightenment)and yet you call them disbelievers. Other sects of Islam give 2.5% zakat at the end of every year if you have over 85grams of gold that is fine, Ismailis give 12.5% a MONTH after household bills so 5 times the prescribed amount and it is not necessary that it goes to the Aga Khan. Yes I agree they hold the Aga Khan in high regards but they believe in that holy line of the prophets family that will never leave till the day of judgement. I find it amusing that you call them non muslims when they seem to be the only sect of Islam that I have spoken to that understand what the sole really is!!! Yes I also may agree that they may say the Aga Khans name in their salah but but I have heard other sects of Islam calling the Prophets names in their Salah (not only Prophet Mohamed but others also)Ismailis do not worship the Aga Khan more so he is a spiritual guide for his believers. He is a descendant of the Prophet this test was done a while ago and it has been clearly proved so throw that argument out and they are the only sect of Islam that know where there true religous beliefs come from other sects have hndreds of people interpreting their faith, some make it violent others make it something else, do you not think it is funny that the Aga Khan is a spiritual leader in Islam and has never had any issues with terrorism, why? because their interpretation is pure peace. I could go on for hours but we all have our own opinions. My simple point is do not dis respect or judge anyones beliefs without really understanding them, do not go by what you are told by people, as you never know you maybe in the sect that broke the prophets confidences/wishes and now you are calling other people kaphirs and that could be vice versa they maybe Kaphirs but it is not your place to judge or disrespct them that is Allahs job.

It hurts me someone who believs in Allah but does not practice a religion but enjoys reading about God, religions, sects etc. that there seems to be so much hate in this world how can we make the world a better place when humans can not come to any common grounds within their own religions. It is always easy to show the bad side of thing but always make a real effort to understand what is what before commenting.

ahmad wrote at 2012-01-16 19:26:22
any one could show me where and which ayat or sura of Quran their is mention that five times prayers are must i am also belongs to suni family and i study about different sects A/c to my knowledge i want to remember u people that ismilies bleaves agakhan just as guider (n allah) not GOd and i have another question that why and why khlafat system end only after 4th?

Shiraj wrote at 2012-02-23 01:06:44
I was Shia Imami Ismaili Nizari Khoja for almost 41 YEARS, until I learned I was following the wrong path. I will post a detail (wrong)doing of these Ismailis on my own web-site shiaismailikhoja.com. You'll be surprised how big KAFIRS these Ismailis are. I have nothing personal with them, but have speak the truth. Al-mighty Allah has shown me the righ path, I pray for these Ismailis.

Farhan wrote at 2012-02-29 01:19:13
My reply is replies to Mr Naeem ,

Please neglect if few pints are repeated

First let reply to your replies then u see other queries of mine

1) Noor of Allah is not mixing with any one in this world but God gives same special things to his special person like muian ud din chusti like shahbaz qalander like rabia bassri it is not mean that they have Noor of Allah.in quran surah nisa verse 59 Allah says (O ye who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those charged with authority among you )he has authority because he belongs to allay bait that’s whey we are obeying him it mean not that he ha the Noor Allah

Well I can accept your point as argument then every prophet is noor of Allah, in verse 59 , if u read it complete it says that if conflict comes then obey only prophet , please read that verse again. It means that final Authority is Prophet not oolal amer ( whtever you took word meaning ) or Imam. This verse clearly says if you have any doubts obey prophet not imam.

2) No one has the power that he can forgive the sin accept Allah but imam only avoid us to do the sin

well I have heard that when someone gives him charity he forgives his or her sin , by explanation of urs I accept that probably its wrong.

3) Yes we are doing prayers of 5 time it is not prohibited to Ismailis but you are talking about the dua which we are doing regularly it is dua not prayer there is there is lot of different b/w prayer and dua and if any ismaili wealthy he can do haji but any one have not he cant do that by taking loans.

If it is Dua u r saying then even then its done only 2 times and maximum 3 times prayers. Please don’t lie, I have so many ismaili friends who do only 2 times pray ( which u r saying is dua ) morning and evening time. If that is dua then when u do five times pray??? Tell me sir if Aga khan has performed Hajj as I think he is quite wealthy. How many you know who goes to Hajj. Is there any services offered in JK who arranges accommodation to go for. Have you planned yourself for that. Please answer true. Don’t do taqqyiya.

4) Yes there is no debit that Quran is guidance for ever to the Muslim the day of end.

Yes if you believe then why u took imam as authority over Quran , I mean u tale imam as final words not Quran isn’t it. If Quran would be the final authority then your generation would not be asking Questions

As I have seen on the website like sex before marriage , Alcohol etc .

just type word sex and you will see many Question where such questions are asked if sex can be done before marriage , if child can be produce before marriage , and in answer many ismailis will be saying its OK to have sex before islam. While its obvious like a sun that its haram. This is because your generation are never taught Quran and Hadiths.

5) Hhn my brother you didn’t under stand the meaning if this words hidden meaning of Quran does not means of that meaning of that words which are in Quran it some that some thing witch are not in Quran but they have strong link with Islam e.g. donkey is haram our jahaz is haram it not in Quran imam tells about this things not the words which are in Quran. ya Allah has told 4 time in one surah that Quran is in the simplest farm .

I again ask why God is inviting people to read and understand Quran and says it is made easier to understand , off course it has multiple meanings because of rich text of Quran , and any wise man can elaborate meaning from it , it doesn’t mean ONLY HE can elaborate its meaning. If he does , has he published any book elaborating its meaning based on Surah?? I wud certainly like to study and enlighten myself.

6) Who has told you that Quran is not taught In jk from nursery class the Quran is been taught in jk in nursery class we are teaching Quran Qaida to children from here we are teaching Quran of course we are not using such a strategy for teaching the Quran which is in madrasahs bit with pips etc.

How many percentage of ismaili people can read Quran in Arabi ? if not do they read Quran translation regularly ?? its only read as an optional subject , only as specialist subject ,I think. How many Hafiz Quran ismails have ?? Do you know Arabic have you read whole Quran in Arabic as well its translation ???

7) jamat khana is not only pray hall for us in there we have offices, finance system and anther things that’s whey due to security reason we are not allowing any non ismaili to inter in jk.

Why you hide the way you pray , does any religion hides on the world , why we cant any videos or so on youtube etc how you pray. Secrecy is the essence of ismailism, I have even heard that of if you say something happening in JK then its just like you have committed zina and you need to reconfirm the bayah to imam. Is that true ??

8) Whose has told you that we are not preaching Islam we are preaching Islam by our work by helping people by giving them education by giving them health facilities. For that purpose (AKDN) has open 52 institutions all over the world. We are preaching Islam to non Muslims not in different sects of Islam like other doing

my question was if Aga Khan knows the meaning of Quran is there any sermon where he speaks about meaning of Surah Yaseen , Surah baqarah etc. Do he understand Arabic as its essential to understand Quran . if you say no he cant but with translation he can elaborate by grace of God then, why not God by miracle given him Miracle to read Arabic. Why not he addresses mass meetings and replies answer to solution of problems Quoting ayat of Quran and Hadiths.

9) Yes we are giving priority to hazart ali than other khalifas because in the place of gadir khum prophet(pbun) said that(man kun tum mola fahaza ali mola) and he is the first imam of us yes in the ginan the person sad that is not mean that Ali is God in Sufism a stage camas which is called marifat in the that stage a person says any word to his beloved he say GOD creator any word he uses like mansoor halaj sad annal haq the is the case of one person not the hole sect if you read about Sufism you will came to know about this .

Well I disagree with you , in Sufism one is very close to God so every word shud be carefully written or spoken , to say Ali is creator is I think the clear offense to God Authority and shirk. Regarding Ghdeer Khum I will ask you below as a question.

10) Yes we are taking the name of Allah when we are taking sajdah in namaz we are saying(subhana rabbi al ala) mean Glory be to my Lord, the most High and in dua we are saying (allah hum malakh su jodi wata ati)mean oh allah my all sajadh and worshipping’s are only and only for you

I didn’t raise any objection on that. But do you take name of Your imam in Sajdah do you ??

Now sir I have few more Queries hope you will reply them as well ;

Few questions might be repeated so please if u wanna reply them its ur own choice

1. Why Quran does not say CLEARLY after Rasool there will be imam in every time and one has to follow them and that imam can change practices of Islam. Why this FUNDAMENTAL pillar of Islam is left in Quran without any clear sentence. Did God deliberately left this so that we will fight each other and divided in to sect, is that was goal of Allah.

2. Does Hazrat Ali or any other imam after him said the same CLEAR statement that we are superior to Quran and we can change Quran practices and we are your imam and there will be imams after us till Qayamat.

3. Did any one ask forgiveness form Rasool Allah or Hazrat Ali and recited their name in Sajdah or Salat.

4. Did any imam asked its followers to prostrate in front of them and say its name and ask forgiveness to them.

5. Is any where written in Quran that it is time bound and will be explained by imams in different times.

6. Why all initial imam married Muslims females in that way they married their own daughters as your explanation of marriages of Prince karim to non Muslims , as far as I knows your imam also married non muslim after converting them to ismaili so again he married to his daughter in other way.

7. What`s difference bet Rasool and imam. As formerly Rasool came to change previous Rasool shariat. Your imam is also changing that , he has changed namaz , Hajj, zakat etc etc. Almost replaced Quran by saying himself as walking talking Quran. You also don’t read Quran. Then practically he is claiming him as Rasool rather imam.

8. If Your imam knows meaning of Quran why he don’t gives lectures on topics and Surat on Quran , is there are available on any website ??? I want to listen him.

If ismailies are 1.5 million , it means only 1 % is following correct path and this trend is going to continue as you will never open doors to other Muslims in jamatkhana to preach this correct sect. This means only one percent is on right path and that religion who is supposed to dominate world , its 99% population is on wrong path. ??? How can I accept this??

9. If he is imam of time then why he has ignored 5 billion muslims , why don’t he preach him and show him right path?? It means he has no worry for majority of muslims ( if he thinks we are muslims ) why he is concentrating on tiny 1% population as always for last 1400 years. It means for 1400 years he never guided 99% of muslims, is this true responsibility of imam?? Should imam of times behave like.

10. If you fear of having lash back from muslims , do you preach your sect to non muslims , is it allowed for Christian or any other person to enter in Jamatkhana.

11. If me or any other non muslims ask your imam same questions will he say go to my websites or consult my scholars???

You will you provide any proof , that Karim Aga khan is the imam of times??

Tell me how you will prove ?? suppose I am a Christian or even sunni and if I wanna became ismaili how you will make me believe on him??Your imams was in hiding for many times and initial imams were martyred ( shaheed ) , so why I should trust him to be true and authentic ,I mean he may be deceiving and claiming himself as imam to enjoy its status and fortunes

Your sect was also divided in to Nizari and mustaali ?? why and who was right at that time ??

Why this imamat is running in family ??? is this similar to Royalty or Monarchy ??? Where King made son to follow his kingdom. If you say that it has to run in Ahlebayet then there must be many Ahleybait then him ,

I mean prophet Nasal is not running ONLY through him. Why he does not give his imamat other then to his family? Is imamate is like a family fortune similar to Jaageer or Jaeedaad. Is this the same reason of disputes imamat tree is divided in to many branches like many sons fighting for father inheritance.. is this the way DIVINELY imamat are settled???

Who is suppose to settle issue at the times of two imams like at the time of Jaffer sadiq or at the time of Ismail ??? Who was authority to decide who is right and who is wrong???

What is difference between Prophet and imam as he is behaving like prophet changing sharia ( Tariqah )

You haven’t replied me about his marriages why he chooses only non muslims ???

Why women leaves that perfect man and takes divorce, and why even after living with most holiest and divine man on earth they leaves him and then lives same style of life as before. Why after living with this perfect divine man doesn’t make any impact in them????? Why even living with imam they don’t see God`s noor in this divine man and continue to lives as non muslim.

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shaheen wrote at 2012-03-05 08:50:19
dear All Muslim Brothers and Sisters as i read All of your information that you gave about sect of ismaili as my idea that i have seen many wise man from Suni Brothers and Shia Brothere i really trust them these information are not belong to them becouse they all read and knows the history of islam they never say like these about the ismaili sect.you are the person that you dont know whats Quran and whats the religen and whate human being ? its nessary that you should ask from your self? why the Allah Creat you ? for what you come her ? what do you need when you go back? whats the mean of your creation ? whats the wold for ? sorry Dears these all requir for you to know first second time your eyes will be open to show you that next what will do. pray always that Allah solve your mentl problem

dr khalid farooq wrote at 2012-04-04 09:19:37
As for as i know that there are difference of openions in between different sects of islam.The main thing is that it is nt our job to say who is muslim who is non muslim,rather it is the job of allah.the main issue is who is following khatamunnabeen Mohammad(P.B.u.h)in true spirit.if you see through out history all the masangers of God has a long history of struggle against the thaghoot and impeial powers of that time like Moosa against firoon and qaroon ,Ibrahim against namrood,mohammad against abu-jehl ana his whole party.So in the light of this uswa there are many sects whose leaders are nourished and funded by imperial powers like France ,U.K,and ammerica.So fro this you can by urself get the conclusion that who is working as their puppets.

Nabeela wrote at 2012-06-28 18:19:26
I am Ismaili and some of the things some people have said about Ismaili people...is just ridiculous. I feel sorry for the people who say Ismailis are not Muslim because of the lack of your education you have on Ismailis. It is very narrow minded way of thinking. Yes Ismaili follows and do things a little differently but that DOES NOT MEAN WE ARE NOT MUSLIM. If you look at a lot of different faiths it is divided and prayers and practices are different. That does not mean one is more right or correct then the other one or the same faith just because you do not understand that faith or agree with the practices. Shia breaks down in more than just Ismaili there is another group as well so does that mean they aren't Muslims as well???..so do your research. It’s very interesting how people compare Suni with Shia Ismaili and not Shia Ismaili with Suni...who made Suni the right or correct way to follow Islam??? Who are you to decide or say Ismailis are not Muslim. Only Allah has that right not any man or women. There are so many inter-religious marriages and they work just fine. No man or women can tell any man or women to not marry who they love. I am in a serious relationship with a Suni man and we plan on marriage and nothing will stop both of us from that. Both our parents know and accept us. So stop with the bullshit some of you are saying and do your OWN research instead of copying and taking other peoples’ thoughts and narrow mindedness.

Try to think for yourself instead of only what you are taught it helps to develop your mind because so far all i read are things taught from elders or religious practices from the ones saying Ismailis are not Muslim. If you say “oh Ismaili don’t do this and that or don’t believe this or they don’t practice the same prayers so they are not Muslim. Why don’t you find out WHYY!!! instead of saying and being like every uneducated person out there. The more intellectual questions you could ask would sound more like “why do they pray differently”?? Why do they have a spiritual leader?? Shia ismaili is not as old of a religion as suni so something must have happend to make all these changes because we were all one before...question is why. Maybe looking into the history of Islam for the reason of division and different practices would be the start of your research instead of putting Ismaili down by saying we are not Muslim that is an uneducated statement and narrow minded. Start thinking for yourself and not only what you have been taught or read. You have a mind for a reason.

Bhojani wrote at 2012-06-29 14:00:45
aga khan claims to be a direct descendant of the prophet.

I am an ex-ismaili, I can assure you that aga khan is misguiding the entire ismaili community.

1) Search for "aga khan vacation" on youtube and see what he does with every ones money.

2) Search for "aga khan sells alcohol" on youtube and see a list of hotels (serena hotels) that sell alcohol even in muslim countries.

After the dua is finished, everyday in the jamaat khana, ismailis ask aga khan (not Allah) for health, wealth and prosperity.

This is a direct contradiction of islamic values.

SOUTH AFRICAN MUSLIM wrote at 2012-07-13 13:45:18
CMON GUYS! SPREAD LOVE NOT ANIOMOSITY. TO EACH HIS OWN. WE SHOULD BE WORKING TOGETHER AGAINST ISRAEL AND THE EVIL YAHOOD! PEACE!THE WORLD IS LAUGHING AT US. THE YAHHOD ARE LAUGHING AT US! *HUGS ALL AROUND*

samkkc wrote at 2012-08-13 19:47:39
Yes..We Should not spread hate and enmity among our Sects...

but but but...We Should Spread a Correct & Authentic Knowledge and reality to each and every muslim..

First of all...We should not decide and say that Ismailis are non-muslims..As they Recite the Same Qalma and consider the Basic Aqeedah OF Islam & Claim to be muslims..So..they are Muslims certainly..But they are not Practising the Correct Islamic Teachings and not holding Fundamental Pillars....They are stretched from the mainstream and right way...the have been deviated...and there is a Shirq..concept among them...but it is not officially...It remains as insight & secretly...unannounced....means...it is a very very clever and double standard theme n concept..That They consider and have faiths upon there ShirQ based Concept but the do not officially called for it...its hidden...but it is every where in the Ismaili Salaah...u will find many many Mushrikeen Concepts and such bad and wrong points...But even ....knowing this.. we have no right to state them as non-muslims...They are muslims but they are not practising the Right Islam..

I hope and pray that May ALLAH (S.A) Guide them and show them a right path and drag them to the Holy Book...Quran..

Ismailis Should learn and understand Quran...

GOD BLESS EVERY ONE...PEACE FOR ALL

Ameen...!! :-)

Shairoz Dewji wrote at 2012-09-02 13:21:06
1. Ali wrote at 2007-12-23 02:31:03

Ismailis are NOT Muslims, I don't understand how they can think of themselves as Muslims. When they pray they pray to a picture of this Aga Khan

2. rani kana wrote at 2008-11-24 00:26:25

ismailis are idolators, the take agakhan as god who has received noor from Allah. they are big time mushriks, and muslims are not allowed to marry any of their men or woman. though they say he is just imam but they should see what they recite in their jamat khanas. the mukhis are agents of agakhan and their missionaries are brain washing their ismailis community. may Allah show them the true islam.

3. Muhammad mudassar qasim wrote at 2010-01-26 13:37:00

• They are Ismailis (not Muslims) and they follow a devil who claims to be a descendant of the Prophet (SAWS). He not only claims to be a descendant but the Ismaili belief is that the "Agha Khan" is both Allah "incarnate" and Rasulullah "incarnate", and Ismailis make du'aa to him!

4. Mohammed Ali wrote at 2010-06-19 06:57:40

As Salaam Alaikum,

Dear brothers and sisters at any cost Ismailis are NOT MUSLIMS first of all they dont follow and believe in the five pillars of Islam and they dont perform taharat (cleaning the genital parts after getting relieved) and ismailis simply pray Aga Khan nauzbillah they address him as Maula, Ismailis take and give interest, Drinking Sharaab is permissible in their religion, if go to Jamaat Khana (Haraam Khana) they pray Aga Khan, nauzbillah seeing Aga khan is considered as HAjj for them they call it as Deedar and after finishing their prayers they greet each other saying Shah jo Deedar means (tumko aga khan ka deedar naseeb ho) they take food to their jamaat khan and auction it and the money goes to jamaat khana they call it Nandi and my brothers and sisters they preach aga khan in their jamaat khana's in a rythmic was and call it as Ginan u know guys this is the only one sect in the whole world who dont bow their heads in front of the Almighty Allah the bottom line is ISMAILIS ARE NOT MUSLIMS AND SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS MUSLIMS BECAUSE THEY PREACH AGA KHAN AS MAULA (NAUZBILLA),

5. Heya wrote at 2010-08-23 12:32:32

Ismailis = refuse to acknowledge Islam and its laws. They refuse to pray salah but have instead made up their own prayers and even changed the testimony (shahada) suit their blasphemy. They believe in hidden meanings even when Allah has forbidden batin clearly in the Quran. They refuse to pray the way that Muhammad and Ali did. They refuse to believe in the Quran but change it according to their own perverse needs. They ridicule those who stick to the Quran as being primitive and non humans (e.g. donkeys). They seek constant proof for something that does not exist. They believe Allah conspired against ismailis and therefore the "evil" sunnis have removed all trace of Ali in the Quran and hadiths. Of course Ali was never mentioned in the first place but when you want something bad enough, just do like the ismaili. Make it up. They devided themselves from the main shia branch over disagreements of Al Sadiq(?) or whoever. Little known to Ismailis Allahhas forbidden muslims to divide into subgroups to deter division. Of course Ismailis don't acknowledge the word of Allah but aga khan. They adhere to a man not Allah and by changing Islam there is not much left of islam in Ismailism not that there was much to begin with. Their imams live under the false impression that they are divine and have the authority to change and remove things as they see fit. Again they forget who created them and who really has the ojnly authority. There is only one right here; either Allah or Ismailis and the truth is Allah. Ismailis are a sect who should be ashamed of themselves to even call themselves muslims. Forget sunni even mainstream shia do not acknowledge ismailis as being muslims. Ismailis = kafir.

6. shams wrote at 2011-02-12 01:18:47

salam to brothers and sister. i was once a ismailie but i have converted due to the following things they follow. they say going to khane is like going to makah to perfome haji, NO WAY TO THAT/ you have pay to be in some special prayer if u dont pay u cant stay, half of the things they do they dont know why they do it, everyone praises aga khane like if he is god staferallah, they say u have to pray to aga khane and then to ali and then to muhammed sws and then your prayer will be send to allah. this is all wrong and they dont even recite the quran. from what i experienced ismailies are way off board. praseing a man is wrong if he is who u think he is then aga khane should be spreading islam all over the world like prophet muhammed sws. prophet muhammed could of choise any of the sahabas to be followed by and prophet muhammed said many good things about all the suhabas. the person that look for his right deen will find it inshallah if allah has chosen him/her to be guided to the right path.

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To all those mentioned above all of u have no brains as a matter of fact accordin 2 me. u think that u r God ryt? u cn decide who is right or wrong? U think that u r the smartest people in the world ryt? And the person mentioned on no. 6 is shameless he/she although being an ismaili he is insulting his own religion, shame on u.. u r gng 2 b punished by God severely.

And Pls stop insulting the Ismaili religion.

Ali wrote at 2012-09-21 17:53:11
Ismailis are unfortunately not Muslims... They pray to Allah through the imam as a medium believing the imam has the soul of Allah within him which provides him with special powered even the Holy Prophet (SAW) did not even have. This is commonly known as shirk in Islam which is obviously one of the biggest sins in Islam. The do not follow the five pillars of Islam. The have replacements for each and every pillar of Islam. Hajj is similar to performing dedar (meeting the imam). Fasting in Ramadan has been replaced by beej which is also a fast but only two of them occur in a year. Prayers have been changed to three times a day with a completely different format. Surahs from the Quran have been taken and not altered but mixed together in such a manner the meaning changes but yet it seems authentic. The imam blood line possibly has not been entirely authentic. Around the 26th imam.. Imam alazhikrihis salam.. Also known as the man of the mountain may have not been a direct descendant of the previous imam. The imam claims he has altered these things for today's mankind. Can he explain how two imams ago the prayer was said in the Shia format? To all you Ismailies out there don't you notice how every time you give money in jamat Khana it's always taken in cash form never cheques? Did you hear about the issue where over a million dollars of the jamats money was caught on the border of America? I myself was an Ismaili at one point and my parents are still Ismaili and no matter how hard I try to believe all of this is correct I cannot hide from the truth. I believe in seeking knowledge to find out the truth. I did a lot of research before I converted to Sunnism. I am not just blabbering away because I am not Ismaili anymore. I have nothing personal against them as my parents are Ismaili. I just don't think what they donis correct and I hope many of them read this. I don't want you all to believe what I have written here. Ease read for yourselves and find out the truth. I know inshAllah one day you will :) some of my sources to guide you are as follows : the throne of gold. The assassins and a couple of books written by an Ismaili convert. These books can be found on allahuakbar.net regarding the history of the Aga Khans. I have just recently converted about a month ago and I thank Allah for guiding me to the right path. I still don't know how to say my namaz correctly but I try hard every day to perfect it. Utilize your life to learn what I have and inshAllah Allah will bless you with the truth. Goodluck to very Ismaili out there :) AllahHafiz

Nadhir Hussain wrote at 2012-09-26 04:42:03
Dearest Muslim Brothers,sisters,Scholars and academics from all walks of ISLAM,

May Allah Keep you all safe and well and may the NOOR of Allah

guide you to His Kingdom of Heaven and Paradise where sleep and dreams are made, where all that is imperfect is made perfect and may the names of the entire Umaah be carved upon all the entrances to His kingdom......Ameen, Ameen.

I have read pages and pages on ISMAILI Muslims, read all the questions & answers and all sugestions and opinions and I am by no means an academic.....BUT I am a Shiah ISMAILI Muslim who has married into a Pakistani Family and I conclude the following:

1) For all those who think ISMAILIS are not Muslims, please

look deep into your heart and sweep away the dust and CLENSE

YOURSELVES for Allah Lives in evry heart.

2) I am an ISMAILI and probably the least practicing one on the

Planet,However, my research has brougt out a lot of facts on

the subject. Firstly, we believe in the AGA KHAN because He

is a direct descendant in line from Hazrat Ali(pbuh) and

and Prophet Muhammed through the Fatimids Caliphate, as Ali

was by the grace of the Prophet married to Fatima. He stands

as our IMAM-E-ZAMAAN (Imam of our time).

During the last days of Our Beloved Prohet(pbuh), there was

a lot of conflict, as to who would take ISLAM and spread the

word into the next phase or generation.At this stage it was

made clear that the first born male child would become the

next PEER or IMAM all the way to IMAM JAFAR-E-SADIQ who had

two sons of whom we ISMAILIS follow ISHMAIL(pbuh) and all

the way to the IMAM AGA KHAN.

This Conflict brought about many changes and suddenly there

were DIFFERENT Sects and ISLAM started to break up. The

IMAMS that followed appointed MAULVI-SABS to spread the

word, where as all IMAMS in LINE from ISHMAIL condutcted

their own duties to spred ISLAM and The AGA KHAN stands in

line to conduct His DUTIES as IMAM

3) This, I am sorry to say lead to various different

interpretations of the SURAHS and Qurani Ayats which to this

day cause conflict, especially at the time of RAMADAN

where SHIAHS in Pakistan and SUNNIS everywhere clash for

the sightings of the moon to start RAMADAN and end up with

EID a day apart (just one example of conflict) of Maulvisabs

YES, the fundamental issues of the Quran and the Hadiz must

be followed....i.e do as Our Beloved Prophet(pbuh) did....

waduh, shahdah, salat ect. ect. which the ISMAILIS dont do.

4) almost 80% of ISMAILIS were Hindus during the DAYS OF THE

RAJ in INDIA AND THE 20% across IRAN, IRAQ and the Middle

East were Bedouins and Normads and asassins during the fall

of the FATIMID EMPIRE. So the Asians(hindus) became converts

to ISMAILIS and migrated to EAST AFRICA to avoid

persecution.

5) At this stage the Quran was not and to this day remains

unimportant because we ISMAILIS have the AGA KHAN to guide

us. Extracts of QURANI AYATS have been taken By the IMAM AGA

KHAN and recited as DU'A in the Jamat Khanas and Ginans are

ISLAMIC Poetry same as SHIAH/SUNNI provide NAMAAZ & NAATS

which all lead to the same devotional message in praise for

ALAAH and forgiveness from ALLAH.

6) ISMAILISM is MODERN and LIBERAL. the faster pace of LIFE

in General has granted ISMAILIS 3 prayes a day which is

better than the SHIAH/SUNNI 5 prayers a day which they

cannot sometimes MEET due to the demands of everyday LIFE

today.

For us ISMAILIS Our IMAM AGA KHAN is a MEDIUM by which we

feel that HE does not FORGIVE US our SINS but gives us ALL

the BLESSINGS for the good we do and as a MEDIUM HE asks

ALLAH to in-turn FORGIVE HIS MOMINS or His Servants for the

any wrong doing same as Our BELOVED PROPHET(pbuh) did during

HIS time for His People.

We do not preach to the photograph of The AGA KHAN, we

preach to Allah and all His Messengers in line.

I personally have yet to see an ISMAILI drink alcohal.

However, I did a degree in Hotel management and was acting

GM for TRUSTHOUSE FORTE HOTELS in LONDON and I can solenmly

confirm that during the time of RAMADAN our Hotels were FULL

of ARAB/ASIAN SHIAHS and SUNNIS drinkig alcohol and

womanising and showing off their wealth which ALLAH condemns

in the QURAN.

Further more, SHIAH/SUNNI Muslims treat their WIVES like

Servants and maids ( by my observation...not cticism).

We ISMAILIS allow our Wives to work along with us and try

and educate them.

For us ISMAILIS...Hajj is important but not necessary...and

certainly not fulfilled by the sheer glimpse of AGA KHAN.

Zakaat is imprtant to us, however, it is MAAFI to those on

low income.

SHIAHS/SUNNI have no guidance but the word of varios MAULVIS

which is totally different from ONE MAULVISAB TO THE NEXT

and because of this LACK of Guidance everyone interpretes

the QURAN and the Hadiz by individual standards. 90% of

MAULVIES lack understanding and education.

The QURAN is very COMPLEX and therefore it is better for us

ISMAILIS to act on the Guidance of our IMAM AGA KHAN than

make a mockery of ISLAM.

We too, believe in MARTYDORM but through good deeds in

Society rather than becoming a suicide bomber on political

issues.

ALAAH gave you Life and HE alone can take it at the time

of HIS chossing yet people blow themselves up in the name

of ALLAH.....For what?????

Finaly, I'd like to finish by letting everyone know that

We are all LEAVES OF THE SAME FAMILY TREE OF LIFE.

We just break up and represent ourselves through various

braches.

We ISMAILIS do not consider ourselves as SUPERIOR to SHIAHS

or SUNNIS, but....by right we should because we have an

IMAM descendant to guide us.

On the question of GAMBLING....The AGA KHAN is actually

Involved in breeding Arabian/Persian horses and like to take

pride racing them. unforyunately, everything is controlled

by BOOKIES and therefore The AGA KHAN take part in this

system purely as a hobby and this is considered just that.

Thankyou for your kind attention to this.

May ALLAH show "US" all the right path.

ALLAH HAFIZ

Nadhir Hussain wrote at 2012-10-01 00:25:26
Dear Brothers and sisters of ISLAM,

Follow up to the above article of mine, please note also the following points......

1)For the SHIAHS/SUNIS, the word ZAKAAT means giving donations

based on the amount of GOLD in the Household. So, if there

is no GOLD, then no ZAKAAT? doesn't make sense!!!!

ISMAILI ZAKAAT is based on income.

2)We ISMAILIS follow our IMAM AGA KHAN because throughout our

history, we have been guided to seek the INNER MOST truth

within ourselves....as well as the TRUTH of DIVINE guidance

and the NOBLE QURAN and how it is presented to us.

Since the QURAN is complex and Arabic is hard to read and

write, we follow Our IMAM.

Now a days one can read the QURAN in English...BUT..BUT

How is it possible to RECITE the surahs in English?..I ask.

I was once given a PRAYER MAT with ARABIC SCRIPTURES on it

and was determined to find out what was written on this

PRAYER MAT so I asked the local MAULVIESAHIB to explain and

HE said that this was far to complex for HIM.(this is one

example of the complexity of arabic and the QURAN.

3)on the question of MARRIAGE, I have yet to come across

anything in writing that ONE should not marry an ISMAILI.

(The NIKAAH is the same....so why not?) I ask.

Shaadi ki jodi ASMAAN mein Banti Hai...by ALLA'S WILL.

SHIA/SUNNI WOMEN are not allowed to marry outside ISLAM...

yet the MEN are...WHY? ALLAH has given more rights to WOMEN

then MEN....doesen't make sense.

4)On the question of ALCOHOL...There is no such writing in

the QURAN...ONLY our Hadiz has banished this....because

in the OLD days, people used to drink and cause a NUISANCE

in the negibourhood with filthy and foul language and beat

their women folk and children because they were not in their

right state of mind and then said SORRY to their wives and

kids when the damage had already been done. So why cause

HAVOC and INFLICT PAIN on others and then feel ashamed and

sorry? ISLAM is a PEACE teaching faith within the family and

within the neighbourhood and in the world and that's why

ALCOHOL was BANNED!!!!!

5) SUICIDE bombers act on POLITICAL ISSUES and leave behind

their LOVED ONES....WHY? WHAT becomes of them?

Most WOMEN and CHILDREN resort to BEGGING to support

themselves because HE committed suicide.... IS THIS RIGHT?

BEGGING IS A SIN.

ISLAM was laid down by ALLAH.....POLITICS is man made...so

WHY leave ALLAH and take part in POLITICS and say "this is

MARTYRDOM."...

When OUR Beloved PROPHET MUHAMMAD(pbuh) went to MECCA and a

POLITICAL DECISION was made by the GOVERNER that "YOU and

your FOLLOWERS are welcome here for HAJJ for 3 months and

should leave thereafter. This truce will remain for 10 years

and be reviewed"....why was there no acts of MARTYRDOM

then???..

Because Our Beloved PROPHET(pbuh) was a PEACE loving

PERSON(pbuh) AND DID NOT WISH TO CAUSE CONFLICT with man

made POLITICS and ALLAH'S WILL....as much as HE loved KAABA

suicide is actually a SIN and to KILL others

in the process is even more GUNNAH..Why kill others...they

haven't harmed you and what or who gives you the right to

TAKE other peoples LIVES....ONLY ALLAH CAN DO THIS.

This is yet another example of SHIAH/SUNNI interpretation.

Overall, the ISMAILIS have more unity and respect for all others...MUSLIMS, CHRISTIANS, JEWS and non believers....

where as SHIA/SUNNI believe that everyone outside of ISLAM is

an infedel.

Our beloved PROPHET(pbuh) said you should not mock me or my

family members or all those friends and relatives associated with me or those whom I have chosen to spread the word of

QURAN.

We, as ISMAILIS respect all the sons and descendants of the Family Tree of Our Prophet Muhammad(pbuh).

History tells us that Our Prophet(pbuh) deligated all his Family and COUNCIL of IMAMS to do CHARITABLE work.

History of ISMAILIS also shows ALL the IMAMS carrying out THEIR

DUTIES accordingly all the way to THE AGA KHAN who...through

HIS network(AKDN) DOES more to better the LIFE of Humanity than the SHIAHS/SUNNI sect.

The SHIAH/SUNNI community make donations to buy ARMS and get involved with POLITICAL issues and change the TOTAL focus

on ISLAM

Ultimately, we also know that the AGA KHAN is not a PROPHET

because there will be no more PROPHETS after PROPHET MUHAMMAD

(pbuh).

However, the AGA KHAN is an IMAM descendant of the family tree

of MUHAMMAD and deserves total respect for HIS STATUS on the

PLANET.

May we all be guided by ALLAH on the right path and may the NOOR of ALLAH always shine upon us.

May he give us all....The DEATH of a SHAHEED

May HE grant us death while we are in SAJDAH

May the last words of our Lives be SHAHADAH

May the last beat of our hearts be...the DHJKR of ALLAH

May the Guider of all SOULS forgive the entire UMMAH

May HE forgive our Parents, our families and friends

And May HE only take us when HE is Happy with us.

AMEEN....THUMA AMEEN

stranger wrote at 2012-10-11 09:14:09
ALAMA IQBAL_SAYED

Nathe jub apne hall ke khaber dekhte rahe logon k aib o hunar

Pary jub apne kirdar par nazar to nigha me koi or bura na raha

This line i sayed only for those who don,t no himselves and sayed other was wrong first who understand his self than sayed others r wrong

I m ismaili my stranger.

stranger wrote at 2012-10-11 09:14:59
ALAMA IQBAL_SAYED

Nathe jub apne hall ke khaber dekhte rahe logon k aib o hunar

Pary jub apne kirdar par nazar to nigha me koi or bura na raha

This line i sayed only for those who don,t no himselves and sayed other was wrong first who understand his self than sayed others r wrong

I m ismaili my stranger.

NAeem Ud Din wrote at 2012-11-18 14:43:09
Salam everybody! I wanna ask some questions from the Sunni friends that who has given you the right to say that whether somebody is Muslim or non Muslim???

Don`t you know that calling a Kafir As kafir Is not allowed by Allah Almighty???

Even an Ismaili who perform prayers for Allah whatever the timing maybe, maybe five or three, You are calling An Ismaili As non muslim. Damn! Who the Hell You Are???

Do you have any Leader like my Imam Who claims to be the successor of Hazrat Ali(A.S)???

Any Muslim Leader else do you have like my Imam???

NO NO Ain`t nobody!!!

Look my friends, An Ismaili believes in oneness of Allah And The last Prophet Hazrat Mohammad And Quran Pak Too. Half Knowledge is very Dangerous. My Imam Works 16 Hours outta 24 to serve humanity, To serve Islam. And this fact is admited by the whole nations.

My Imam Never Claimed To Be God(nauzibillah) by God!!! He Is just the way to reach Allah.

My Imam emphasizes to perform prayers, To respect Ladies, To give half To A Girl and quarter to a boy.

Simply You the guys have misconceptions about Ismailism. thats All... I am proud to be an Ismaili

Ismaili wrote at 2012-12-03 05:00:48
Apparently you need to do your research because an Ismaili is a Muslim. Please do not give answers when you are obviously uneducated. If you really love your husband, learn about his religion too and maybe you will see it is much more open than the close mindedness of some of the Sunni Muslims who are unaccepting and claim to know about what a Muslim is

Nadir Nazar wrote at 2012-12-22 06:55:49
Assalam o alaikum

sir with due respect i want to say that how can u say that ismailis are not muslim??

What are the basics of being an muslim??

do u consider yourself as a muslim after saying some one as non muslim??you are just muslim cox u born in a muslim home.

in islam its not permitted even sayinf a kaafir non muslim so how can u catogarize a muslim as non muslim??

I m a boy and ALLHAMDULILLAH i m a muslim and ismaili as well.

People like you are here just to mis guide other people.i m so sorry to say that people are like existing in this word how can u guide any one else instead u need to get guidence from some one

Amit Abdulkarim Merchant wrote at 2013-01-29 20:47:07
Why dont we all think as we are muslim first than Shia or sunni... All allah talla wanted us to be was being a muslim a true muslim... We All belive in quran so please tell me where in the quran it is written that allah wanted us to become shia or sunni muslim. All allah talla wanted was us to become is true muslim who does good deeds in his din and also remain as good human in dunya... So i think Any 1 who Truly follows this 2 things in his life and has 100% faith in allah is a true muslim.

1.Also we know that with out the permission of allah not even a leaf can move from its place and on other hand we say that ismailies who work on the path allah is not a muslim who on this planet has right to judge this, only allah can judge that we ismailies are muslim or not.

2.Also having half knowledge about any thing can always create misunderstandings so it is better to have the whole Knowledge of ismailies. you can get to learn whole lot of things from this Site http://www.theismaili.org/

3. Many People are there who say we see aga kahn as GOD, but no dear we know that he is just our imam. Imama Aga Khan is only Guardian of Ismaili Shia and He is not God (True preception of Aga Khan.

4.I am so suprised that people have NOT done there research.

a. Same Kalma (one ALLAH and MUHAMMAD is the mesenger of ALAH

b. We fast during ramadan, and additional days during the year

c. Very well educated, as building intellect is fundamental in Islam

d. Jamatkhanas are built and designed so that the pray hall faces the Kaba

e. Pork is HARAM, we are taught to eat Halal food

f. Our community pays more zakaat than the required amounts in ISLAM.

g. We help each and everyone, throughout history and current day, no matter what the religion is of he/she who is being helped.

The fiath of Ismailism teaches:

Tolerance,

Literacy,

Pluralism,

Generosity in Time, knowledge and Resources.

Care of needy and equality in society.

Meritocracy.

What else the isamili do which is against the Islam.

So i think by all this you do understand we 2 are muslims and we follow are din like a true muslim and inshalla till the last

breath we take in our life we remain good on SIRATAL MUSTAKIM..

Even I m in Love with Sunni Girl and Inshallah if we all are children of allah than certainly we are not doing any thing wrong by getting married.

Karim Ladha wrote at 2013-03-08 19:52:32
I am shocked to read all the comments . Now I get an answer why we have so many. Problems within the umma

1.we judge ,,,it's not our place to judge only Allah has that authority

2.we accuse..... That is haram

3. We point fingers....that is haram

4.we mislead...that is haram

5.we kill in the name of Allah.....that is haram

In fact so much is done within the Muslim umma that is not what we shoul be doing

Our imam teaches us

Tolerance

Humility

To leave by the ethics of Quran

We receite suras in our prayers

Yes we sing to the fact rejoice allahs creation

We do pay zakat..

And we do all that will love and devotion

I am saying 72 sects in Islam was brought on by this kind of thoughts and finger pointing we should respect each other and have tolerance to different beliefs around the world our imam we are proud of. Him and we are proud of what he is doing for the ummah

In regards to marrying an Ismaili boy my advice is don't as you have doubt in what he believes in and that will always create friction in your life in fact when you fall in love everything else takes aback seat if he is black or white different religion or whatever I think you don't love him that much

Thank you for all supporting ismailism ,people who have studied us please keep it up

Lets all get together and pray for all Muslim brothers and sisters who are facing war and tribulation all over the world

Ya ali madat

Zul Hasham Suwani wrote at 2013-03-13 14:38:29
This forum has been there a long time a go and I hope that the girl has finally married the Ismaili boy which is the right choice.To lall the contributors and the people Who have answered the questions I would like to say everyone is right as what they perceive and what they have been taught.I think everyone agrees that in Quran Allah mentions that I leave behind my Holy book and my progeny and this progeny is none other the present living Imam of the Time The Aga khan.It is important to all concerned that they should read the book The Aga Khan which will give to all concerned the insight into the lives of the Imamat also the book to read is Islam the Religion of my fore father by Mowla Sultan Mohamed Shah Aga Khan.Half Knowledge is dangerous and by reading this books you will understand Ismailsm and the True meaning of the Imam

subi ramat wrote at 2013-03-28 06:00:15
Ismalias are MAKING SHIRK by PRAYING TO THEIR IMAM & SAKING from him instaed of ALLAH.

They donot pray salat, they pray BIDAH called DUA designed and invented by their IMAM,

They Follow their IMAM and disobey to ALLAH & Prophet.

CHECK IT IN THEIR JAMAT-KHAMAs

Naeem uddin wrote at 2013-04-28 05:16:02
@ subi ramat, listen man firstly you r a gadha a bufoon came to put a comment here. An ismaili till now have never judged a sunni whether he's muslim or not. the world curses you and considers you as the terrorists. But an Ismaili is respected wherever he goes, and treated well. My Girl is a sunni and i'll marry her, agar rishta nae hua to bhaga k shadi karunga hahaha

Iqbal wrote at 2013-05-17 11:42:59
AOA!

Listen u all who are sayn that ismailis are non muslims,its non of ua business to cal sm one as nonmuslim.Half knwledge is always dangerous,if u dnt knw each nd evri thing clearly then dnt cmnt wth half knowledge..Just tell me if u are a sunni whats ur cntribution to ur sect that u are sunni tday????? The answer is that nly nd nly u were born in a sunni house thats y u are sunni tday.(pehla socho phir tolou phir bolo).Befr cmnting on ismailis first thorougly study about the ismailism and then comment.We dont care who is callin us nonmuslim,God Almighty knws each nd evri thing very well..

We are muslims

"LA ILAHA IL ALLAH MUHAMMAD U RASUL ALLAH"

Farhad wrote at 2013-07-18 06:00:31
Dear all,

Its misperception about ismalies they are not Muslims, this is the request you all please do deep study of Islam 1st then decide what the Islam and last prophet said.

What the last prophet said …mai ilam ka sheher hon tu Ali us ka darwaza hai it means you all not accept it. After nabowet the imamat is start so the ismalies follow the imamat so how we can say that they are not Muslims.

According Islam muslims we can marry to al kitab. holy books are!

the Tawrat , the Zabur, the injil and the Qur'an.

There are 72 sects of Islam so why we pointed out this sect is non muslim and that sect is non muslim it’s not our job Allah knows that who is muslim and who is not.

Except these two if u follow any Agha khan or Ahmad raza u will be mis guided...

May Allaah guide us all on straight path...aameen...

Muhammad wrote at 2014-07-28 03:12:00
The Ismaili's writing here have been informed of their wrong beliefs.

So much has been written about their wrong beliefs from what I have read here and on Google. Sheiks, Mufti's and Molvis have denounced them as Kafir where ever I asked. Believing in Allah and the Prophet is not enough to be a Muslim as some here claim. They fooling no one except themselves.

If it is true they do not fast in Ramadan, looking at Aga Khan is Haj for them, not praying salat five times day but doing something or making dua three times day in their Jamat Khana, etc - all this is is not Islam and they cannot fool others they are Muslims.

My experience with Ismail's was on a cruise ship when a large group of about fifty Ismaili people were cruising. I saw at their private function woman and men dancing to Indian music and, some men drinking alcohol. This is not Islam.

They will have no excuse on Day of Judgement as they have been informed of their wrong ways in threads like this and still do not want to convert to Islam. If they are Kafir then Jahannam can only be there abode. Same goes for the Shia's which is another topic.

MJ wrote at 2014-10-06 08:13:20
Assalamo Alaikum everyone.

I was an ismaili girl and i am reverted to Islam because of unacceptable beliefs of ismailis towards their so called god Aga Khan. everyone will be asked for their deeds on the day of judgement so we should not get into this debate. May ALLAH Pak give hidayat to everyone Ameen.

Imran wrote at 2015-06-24 13:08:52
Imy name is Imran and i am an ismaili, i used to follow the teaching of ismaili's and praying the ismaili way that was by chance. Alhamdulillah today i am proud to say i am a muslim because i changed my lifestyle. I pray 5 times a day.

Ismailis claim that Karim Aga Khan is no more than a “community leader”, but they don’t know what they are reciting in their daily prayers.

The following Arabic text of Ismaili prayer is formulated and promulgated by the Aga Khan. Every Ismaili recites this verse, thrice a day as a part of the Holy Du’a:

Seek at the time of difficulties, the help of your Lord, the present living Shah Karim al-Hussainy

(The above translation is reproduced from an authorized Ismaili publication)

A vast majority of the young Ismailis who claim Karim Aga Khan to be no more than their “Community Leader” do not know what the Arabic passage means. You can seek help in the time of difficulties only from someone who can and will hear your cries for such help, from any part of the world and at any time, and respond to them.

The above quoted enigmatic text is recited by the Ismailis after they recite the opening chapter of the Qur’an — Surah Al-Fatiah, in their ritual prayers. This text negates the portion of Al-Fatiah which reads:

Iyyaka Naabdu Wa Iyyaka Nastayeen

Translation:

To Thee (Allah) Alone we worship and from Thee (Allah) Alone we seek help

Do these educated Ismailis of 21st century really believe that their “community leader”, the Aga Khan, their Hazar Imam, Karim al-Husseini living in France does hear their cries and responds?

If their answer to the above question is yes, then Karim Aga Khan has the power and ability that even the messenger of Allah had never claimed. Consequently their Lord – Hazar Imam is greater than Prophet (pbuh) and is therefore God on Earth.

But it has already been revealed to thee as it was to those before thee “If thou were to join (gods with Allah) truly fruitless will be thy work (in life) and thou wilt surely be in the ranks of those who lose (all spiritual good).”

Holy Quran 39: 65

If their answer to the above question is a “No”, then their prayers are in vain and the money that they pay to Karim Aga Khan’s agents (mukhis) in the Jamatkhanas are wasted.

Unto Him is the real prayer. Those unto whom they pray beside Allah respond to them not at all, save as (if the response to) one who stretcheth forth his hands toward water (asking) that it may come unto his mouth, and it will never reach it. The prayer of disbelievers goeth (far) astray.

Qur’an 13: 14

The next time you open up your wallets in the Jamatkhanas or your Ismaili Centers, think. You better give that money to the needy and earn their honest blessings. Is it not better than wasting money and earning the sin of shirk?

Ismaili strong!! wrote at 2015-08-18 18:52:36
To the sister who tried to convert my fellow ismaili brother. Props to my ismaili brother for no converting into sunni even after 17 years of marriage! To all of you other sunni and shia muslims you can bash ismailism all you want!!! Get mad, kill us, do what you wish, but one thing is for sure. We are not messed up, fighting against each other, we all can agree with each other, don't resort to usless violence, and we have the whole great relations to many of the strongest western nations. Even at a point ismailis where the president of of the UN. So in reality think about it. Who are far better off, sunnies and shias who fight and act like tribal people, or modern intellectual ismaili beings who help push the world farther!!!

shaheen wrote at 2016-05-21 19:25:39
Asak,dear friends ,I use to be an ismaili before I chose to become a Muslim as sorry to Say Ismailis pray to their Hazar Imam for each and ever thing as we pray to Allah. They only utter kalma but do not practice it. Believe me they only give emphasis to the current Imams farmans which are all worldy matters related and far away from Preachings of Islam. I choose to move away from this mess by deliberately marrying a Sunni Muslim boy n I am Alhamdulillah so grateful to Allah for removing me from ignorance to his path.

shaheen wrote at 2016-05-21 19:26:03
Asak,dear friends ,I use to be an ismaili before I chose to become a Muslim as sorry to Say Ismailis pray to their Hazar Imam for each and ever thing as we pray to Allah. They only utter kalma but do not practice it. Believe me they only give emphasis to the current Imams farmans which are all worldy matters related and far away from Preachings of Islam. I choose to move away from this mess by deliberately marrying a Sunni Muslim boy n I am Alhamdulillah so grateful to Allah for removing me from ignorance to his path.

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