01:03:44asciilifeform:'Shortly thereafter, officers who had been working undercover to catch citizens attempting to self-serve, swarmed in to arrest the mostly nude man ? but not before Mapes took down 3 of the 6 officers by himself.'

03:47:39trinque:this monstrous, bureaucratic "modern state" which infiltrates every aspect of life is to whom I refer

03:49:00trinque:decimation: or in other words... if only the fire dept was the most of our worries

03:49:17trinque:I'd be happy to see it go if the rest were also in the bathwater

03:49:53decimation:trinque: no doubt, I can imagine lots of other structures, but I just don't see how groups of people who need to do business together can get away from some kind of central coordinating mechanism for certain tasks

04:14:07decimation:trinque: note that many people would replace orthodox Christianity with some kind of warmed-over socialism, that doesn't make their socialism Christianity (as loudly as they might protest otherwise)

07:27:59punkman:"The .tar file must be encrypted with the static key /tmp/.charlie. Yes, that's the actual key - the software passes the wrong argument to OpenSSL. -K is used to pass the keyfile instead of -kfile, meaning that the key is the path of the keyfile rather than the contents"

15:09:25pete_dushenski:" When a retired 51-year-old military man disclosed in a U.S. security clearance application that he had a 20-year affair with his former college roommate's wife, it was supposed to remain a secret between him and the government."

15:10:08pete_dushenski:what on earth would possess one to disclose such a thing on a fucking application form, in triplicate...

15:10:38pete_dushenski:" The man had kept the affair secret from his wife for two decades before disclosing it on the government's innocuously named Standard Form 86 (SF 86), filled out by millions of Americans seeking security clearances. "

15:13:45pete_dushenski:""It's kind of scary that somebody could know that much about us," said a former senior U.S. diplomat, pointing out the ability to use such data to impersonate an American official online, obtain passwords and plunder bank accounts."

15:26:04pete_dushenski:"In 2010, LEGO unleashed LEGO Universe, a massive, multiplayer game where builders of all ages could create whatever they wanted on their own digital plots. Well, almost anything: LEGO didn’t want any of the players to endow its online world with penises. After all, it was meant to be a kid-friendly place in which phalluses had no role—even its mini-fig citizens were dickless."

15:46:53assbot:Logged on 15-06-2015 15:09:25; pete_dushenski: " When a retired 51-year-old military man disclosed in a U.S. security clearance application that he had a 20-year affair with his former college roommate's wife, it was supposed to remain a secret between him and the government."

15:50:15asciilifeform:from the pov of the chumps, the more sinister aspect, as always, is the non-cryptographic concept of identity used in nato reich, where folks can actually impersonate you if they know a handful of basic biographical facts

15:52:37asciilifeform:ultimately usg 'department of plenty' ~really~ wants money to get borrowed. whether you in particular like to borrow money or not. if some 'helpful' nigerian can do it in your name, so much the better from their pov.

15:52:40assbot:Logged on 08-06-2015 04:27:15; asciilifeform: i, for instance, would much like to publicly register as 'anyone who walks in with my name and slave serial number and tries to take a mortgage, ever, is to be shot immediately'

15:53:28asciilifeform:hence also the utter lack of meaningful asymmetric crypto in bank cards, etc.

15:56:03asciilifeform:pete_dushenski: i have not personally scammed in this particular way, but watched colleagues deal with the fallout of 'xxx bought a house in your name'

15:56:08pete_dushenski:i had my credit card number lifted in chicago a few years back, sekoority centre called me to ask about a few purchases, which i hadn't made, they cancelled the card on the spot and refunded me the charges.

15:56:13asciilifeform:it is - at miniumum - a mountain of paperwork, dragging on for years

15:56:37pete_dushenski:mind you, cc is much smaller scale than mortgage

17:24:54assbot:Logged on 15-06-2015 15:56:08; pete_dushenski: i had my credit card number lifted in chicago a few years back, sekoority centre called me to ask about a few purchases, which i hadn't made, they cancelled the card on the spot and refunded me the charges.

18:28:22mircea_popescu:i take it the unsolicited redrawing of mpex on toilet paper by kindergartners did not end up selling for the "very modest" five digit figure he had in... for lack of a better term, mind ?

18:54:24mircea_popescu:seriously, as far as the "public opinion" is concenred, "there exists a weapon that has never been used on account of it being too effectual". something that happened with nothing never, the celts used iron weapons and the europeans used machine guns and everything in between that actually worked and was actually useful was actually used. and not a little used. USED. ubiquitously used, the franks re-engineered their en

18:54:24mircea_popescu:tire societal relations to make room for the horse on the battlefield.

19:06:44assbot:Logged on 15-06-2015 01:03:44; asciilifeform: 'Shortly thereafter, officers who had been working undercover to catch citizens attempting to self-serve, swarmed in to arrest the mostly nude man ? but not before Mapes took down 3 of the 6 officers by himself.'

19:07:14mircea_popescu:how is "working undercover" what you do when you sit around in a gas station "trying to catch people who self serve" ? this isn't even lance corporal, whaty officer.

19:08:16BingoBoingo:"publishes all news as shareable images, thereby bypassing a large number of restrictions and limitations, not needing clickbait, and being immune to adblock ? but also paying people well, using bitcoin" << And completely ignoring the MP doesn't read text as images

19:30:58ag3nt_zer0:question: does it matter what email provider I use for GPG setup? I tried to set it up with Tutanota but cannot set it up with thunderbird and enigmail which i suspected but wasn't sure until I tried... I shudder to maintain any connection to google or yahoo, but does it matter with GPG?

19:32:00mircea_popescu:if you run gpg correctrly, whic his to say locally, use plaintext email

19:39:33ag3nt_zer0:ok ty mircea_popescu I am pretty confused... I have been following contravex guide - so is that preparing me to run locally? Or is utilizing enigmail through thunderbird attached to a gmail account no longer local? And is it just more secure to use plaintext over html? So much to learn...

19:40:02mircea_popescu:anyway, malcom x correctly identified "the state is this thing which fucks us over", but he thought it's about money (ie, what he didn't have) rather than about cocksize (ie, what the people actually employing it didn't have).

19:40:23mircea_popescu:whenever you see a cripple walking on a crutch, it's a good idea to think the crutch as compensation for HIS shortcoming, not yours.

19:40:38mircea_popescu:this, of course, is still uncharted territory in the mental map of the fifth millenium.

19:41:01BingoBoingo:ag3nt_zer0: Just encrypt and then paste into a mail client

19:41:09mircea_popescu:ag3nt_zer0 the fewer things involved, the less available to break. and yes, what he said.

19:50:17assbot:Logged on 15-06-2015 04:14:07; decimation: trinque: note that many people would replace orthodox Christianity with some kind of warmed-over socialism, that doesn't make their socialism Christianity (as loudly as they might protest otherwise)

19:50:59ag3nt_zer0:Trinque, well some basic programming would be a good place to start I think... a more fundamental understanding of the history of the cypherpunk movement, encrytion fundamentals, etc, anything that will allow me to be something more than a slave

19:54:46asciilifeform:BingoBoingo: same reason why a winblows box. 'it's what they had in the shop'

19:56:36asciilifeform:http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164495 << no one actually asks 'what is the alternative to state.' what they are really asking is 'what, in your cosmography, is to be the means whereby i get fed, roofed, and far away from bloodthirsty cannibals like before ?' and if the answer is 'you don't, fuck you, biodiesel' don't expect a 'thank you' from the interlocutor

20:15:27asciilifeform:<mircea_popescu> stepping out of the idiotology << what does this consist of in practice ?

20:15:54mircea_popescu:i run into this question a lot. "just stop" "how ?" "by not doing it" "but i don't know how!!1"

20:16:11mircea_popescu:usually it's resolved with "if you ever do this again im going to beat you with a wet dulap"

20:16:38asciilifeform:i notice a tendency among #b-a folks to dwell on 'convince folks to leave gravity well.' well, guess what, i was convinced 15+ yrs ago, before ever met you lot. and fat lot of good it did

20:28:34assbot:Logged on 15-06-2015 15:13:45; pete_dushenski: ""It's kind of scary that somebody could know that much about us," said a former senior U.S. diplomat, pointing out the ability to use such data to impersonate an American official online, obtain passwords and plunder bank accounts."

20:32:09assbot:Logged on 15-06-2015 15:26:58; pete_dushenski: "Management “wanted a creative building MMO [massively multiplayer online-game] with a promise of zero penises seen,” tweeted Megan Fox, a developer who worked on the project,"

21:22:20asciilifeform:speaking of 'sf-86' form, does anyone else consider such things a peculiar anachronism? it isn't as if usg did not already have 100% of everything in that thing in some db or other

22:26:59mircea_popescu:BingoBoingo of course, the truly ridiculous thing in that inept flailing of two different groups of idiots with 100 BTC in the middle is the proposition that btc-e stealing user funds is "what any legitimate busines would have done".