>ITT: Retarded Questions that don't deserve a threadWhy the fuck didn't Feddies build underwater cities? They have the technology for literally hundreds of space colonies, they should at least have a few dozen underwater cities. Think of the benefits>No land mass to colony drop>Actual colony drops are impeded by miles of water>The Federation Navy has an actual role now

>>17041660>Why the fuck didn't Feddies build underwater cities?They have too much unused land that building an underwater city would just be an enormous contest of pointless economic and engineering dickwaving. Besides, this is the Federation we're talking about, they are perpetually stuck in bureaucracy and dealing with welfare issues. At least the space colony construction and relocation program had the purpose of moving the socially and economically poor away from the elite and reducing the ecological footprint of humanity on earth.

You're in luck though, an underwater city shows up in Victory Gundam episode 33 or thereabouts. Unfortunately they're not Federation-aligned, at least unofficially. The people in power were Zanscare-sympathizers and very much married to the matriarch cult of Zanscare's Queen Maria, I think.

>>17041675Depends where in the water you are. Usually tidal waves are only a problem for shorelines, we don't hear about the ocean floor being scrubbed clean by earthquakes tidal waves.

>>17041660>>17041675The problem is that water is an incompressible fluid for all practical purposes, and to an underwater city the pressure wave from the impact would be like the mother of all depth charges.

>>17041660I doubt they'll survive an onslight of zeek attacks since Zeon seemed to have the better aqua MS. Basically making them even more sitting ducks that they already were with the MANY MANY dangers of fighting in a colony or near the damn thing. Well that's what I think at least.

>>17043094Furthermore what benefit do you truly gain from building underwater cities instead of say... floating cities if your main concern is overpopulation? The idea that Feddie engineers would spend that kind of resources WMD-proofing their dwellings when it's only seriously ever happened once is absurd.

>>17041695A lot of it in the past few months may well literally be one guy.Otherwise, though, no answer to why it exists in the first place. There's a lot of potential for discussion, though, such as the prevalence of the false east v. west dichotomy, stereotypes and ignorance, company/console war idiocy being carried over, etc.

>>17041710According to him in-show it's because of the dust and smell of Earth's atmosphere or something to that effect, but I may be misremembering.

http://mechatalk.net/viewtopic.php?p=269587&sid=f35ae41b8868e0844bf2ce510cb0e9cb#p269587>In the final section of the story, "Over the Rainbow," we're told that the main Tennyson fleet consists of nine Musaka cruisers and six camouflaged transport ships (similar to the Garencieres). The Nahel Argama crew estimate that these ship types carry six and three mobile suits respectively, for a grand total of 72 mobile suits.>In addition to the Tennyson fleet, the Rewloola also has two Musaka cruisers as escorts. Assuming these ships are fully loaded, they'd carry a total of 24 mobile suits. That gives us a grand total of one Rewloola, eleven Musaka cruisers, six camouflaged transport ships, and 96 ship-based mobile suits

Why doesn't the Crossbone Vanguard just straight up kill their prisoners? Instead, they throw them into the gravity well and Ronah somehow expects they might survive. She's either a psychopath or actually retarded.

>>17045108Zeon's only hope was to land on Earth and knock out Jaburo to force a victory, because even if Zeon has the momentum and tech, they're still a much smaller force that is going to have a hard time winning by trying to destroy the entire EFF. They can't drop another colony because the Antarctic treaty game rules says so, and apparently no one has thought about dropping an asteroid instead. It's worth noting that there aren't many asteroids around the Earthsphere in the first place. Rocks like Luna II, A Baoa Qu, Solomon, and Pezun were towed into place from far away as a result of years of effort and high energy/fuel costs.

Anyway, landing troops on enemy territory means they need to capture resources and secure bases on Earth for themselves to use. The EF navy was horribly fucked up by the tidal waves generated by the colony fragments impacting earth, IIRC at least one fragment landed in the Pacific ocean. I would guess the EF navy was probably less of a priority for the Federation to focus on rebuilding so when Zeon landed on Earth, the EF navy wasn't able to resist and Zeon was able to secure territory and capture entire bases like California base. Among the captured bases were coastal submarine bases and land bases housing landships. These formerly Federation submarines and landships were put into use for Zeon.

>Dabude landship was originally a Russian/Federation design that was captured by Zeonhttp://www.mechatalk.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=7907&start=0

>Zeon submarines were originally Federal models captured by Zeon and modified for their useshttp://www.mechatalk.net/viewtopic.php?p=285858#p285858http://www.mechatalk.net/viewtopic.php?t=12127&start=360

From there on, the EF navy never had a chance to recover while Zeon just kept improving their brand new naval forces that they were able to obtain at the Feds' expense.

>>17045108>How come Zeon didnt use orbital bombardment Antarctic Treaty and the fact that most high priority targets were underground. Plus minovsky particles son. >Why was Zeon better at underwater warfare The Return of Johnny Ridden sort of answered this question but whether that's canon or not is debateable.

According to that it essentially boiled down to Zeon misreading the Federation. Zeon expected the Federation to hold out on Earth for the remainder of the war and expected them to make a bigger deal out of the seas so they invested heavily in aqua suits. The Federation decided to play a different game and cut Zeon off from space with Operation Odessa then decided to bum rush space with the numbers advantage. The Zeon troops knew this was bad news and thus the hail mary attack on Jaburo.

So in the original msg the Gundam had a fixed skirt, while in modern incarnations it’s separate. What are some ways I could modify a Gundam to keep its fixed shirt (turning it into a pelvis basically)?

How much do you think a mobile suit costs? I always feel like it should be incredibly expensive, but the way they get fucking killed so fucking fast sometimes makes me think Anaheim or whoever produces the mobile suit in question cuts costs hard somewhere in production. The Geara Doga getting fucking shredded by the Jegan vulcans for example.

>>17047919but how the heck did the EF outproduce them?>>17047917how exactly did businesses work within the realms of cosmo babylonia and zanscare? with zeon, you know they've got businesses that are in league with them but for the latter two, they just stroll in and hope the established ones plays ball?

>>17047923Zeon grew complacent due to the lull in fighting and never truly ramped up their production. The feds had lots of space and workers o they could outproduce once they retooled their lines. They also had enormous resource stockpiles I imagine.

We're never reallygiven a view into the Gundam business world, but I find it odd the Feds were able to lift so much stuff.

>>17047926>Compared to Earth Federation the military resources of Zeon is less than one thirtieth of theirs. Despite this major difference, how is it that we have been able to fight the fight for so long?

Thats from Gihren's speech at Garma's funeral. The EF always massively outproduced Zeon in resources and manpower. A big issue for Zeon was manpower. They had the technology and the resources but they didn't have enough capable pilots to produce suits the way the EF could. This lead to the need for super weapons and mobile armors, Zeon needed a way to maximize the effectiveness of a minimal pool or pilots.

>>17047951Nearly all Zeon mech development is a result of that necessity. In terms of overall forces the EF outnumbered Zeon significantly in conventional war machines (tanks, fighters, ships) and soldiers so Zeon produced mobile suits.

When the federation could at best make. Guntanks, Zeon was already eyeing development of Goufs and Doms for Earth. But then came the stalemate and Zeon had no way of beating the sheer numbers behind the Federation or lay siege to Jaburo and so came development of Mobile Armors. Also, in a dumber move, came the development of aquatic mobile suits as Zeon thought the EF would put up a bigger fight for the oceans.

And then the space fight. GMs were being cranked out like fucking Shermans and with every battle Zeon was taking losses that it couldn't recoup. So came the Gelgoog, finally a machine that could match the gundam, and the big zam, the val varo, the elmeth but by that time it was too late.

Plus the in fighting of the Zabi family and the factions within Zeon.

Another speech to consider is General Revil's speech that highlights how exhausted Zeon was right from the beginning of the war.

>>17049149Not him, but when the war reached Earth it was a stalemate, not a curbstomp. Zeon made very quick gains in space owing to their Mobile Suits and use of the blitz. After this came the Antarctic treaty and Zeon's invasion of earth. Zeon's ground forces, even with Mobile Suits, were not enough to overcome the EF's conventional forces. Both sides were basically gridlocked with each other, during which time the EF was developing its own Mobile Suits. The White Base's odyssey was a part of this but the EF was developing GMs during this time, drove Zeon off of Earth with their conventional force during Odessa, and then continued the offensive following the failed attack on Jaburo.

>>17049156>>17049162oh i get it, it's just i didn't realize how late the comeback was. october maybe but late november makes it sound like zeon gets pounded for the entirety of december (screw christmas!).

>>17049167That's essentially what happened. Operation Odessa was in early November and crippled Zeon's earth occupation. They made a desperate attack on Jaburo at the end of November (which is when the GM first sees combat) and then it was right to space.

Battle of Solomon was on December 25th and A Baoa Qu as December 31st.

>>17041660It is easier to get out of earth and build shit in space than exploring the oceans and building underwater constructions.it is the same reason why in real life there is not much funds and research to explore th depths of the ocean. water exploration is a fucking bitch. the pressure underwater makes it a lot more difficult if not impossible to expand humanity's living territory in that area of the planet.

>>17047934All colonies once complete are supposed to be self sufficient when it comes to resources. Even the Jupiter colonies are self sufficient, although it was hell for the first couple decades because they didn't receive any support from the EF to get them onto their feet first.

Being self sufficient doesn't extend into funding or supplying a war effort or producing goods to trade with other colonies.

Here's a really retarded question that really doesn't deserve a thread.I watched a 4-6 episode OVA from the 80s-90s years ago and I can't fucking remember what it was called. The main character looked a bit like Guyver here, but the show was this horrible mess of fucked up porn monsters and guro. Giant old men with snake dicks that attacked people, a monster fat chick that sucked dudes up and spit them out without their skin.What the fuck show am I thinking of?

>>17041736>You're in luck though, an underwater city shows up in Victory Gundam episode 33 or thereabouts. Unfortunately they're not Federation-aligned, at least unofficially. The people in power were Zanscare-sympathizers and very much married to the matriarch cult of Zanscare's Queen Maria, I think.

Doesn't mean they built it. I don't remember the details, but it might have been built by the Feds before Victory.

>>17052161In the Zeta era they did kind of experiment with control surfaces, fins were common design features as well. Movable assemblies that combined thrusters and control surfaces were called binders.

Most non-flying MS don't generally operate at high enough altitudes that they could glide from though, and if they had to then they would have a Dodai or something. Even when thruster hopping, the amount of time until they reach the ground is measured in just seconds, and for control surfaces to be able to impart an appreciable amount of force to shift around a 50~75 ton MS from just lift, they would need to be rather large, no? The large the cross section, the more likely they are to be spotted and get damaged in combat.

If the idea was to airdrop MS on an enemy position, it'd make more sense to get them down to the ground as safely as possible as quickly as possible as they are vulnerable in midair, so they would have rocket assisted landings like in 08th MS Team and Zeta, carrying external thruster pods for landing operations. If the idea is to save operational fuel and allow them to travel farther distances while in flight, might as well just give them a flight platform that has its own fuel supply since the things are so cheap and numerous already. In UC they have perfected thermonuclear jet engines that don't use fuel ignition to produce thrust, but heat from a reactor instead, as used on the Dom for hovering and on the Zeta Plus A series for thrust in atmospheric flight.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_Nuclear_Propulsion

In the end, most MS that feature control surfaces are the higher end models where cost is less of a concern. For basic MS like a GM that will almost never spend much combat time in midair, they won't bother to give it any control surfaces.

>>17058878It would take something bigger than the typical space colony to actually destroy the earth. And they usually are dropped as a combination of shock and awe and to fuck over one area specifically. The original drop was meant to take out the eff headquarters at Jaburo, Delaz's drop was intended to wipe out major food production farms in north america to cause a food shortage, Haman's was basically a scare tactic and "fuck you" to the EF, and Char wanted to drop a huge asteroid colony hoping it would trigger an impact winter and force people to abandon the earth (and because he wanted to force amuro to confront him).

>>17058920No, everyone in series just assumed it was meant for Jaburo. The true purpose of operation stardust was to cause a food shortage that would lead to the EF drawing resources from the colonies, which would stir up unrest and spark a new spacenoid uprising.

>>17058924Its course was always meant for NA, Gato was just doing last minute course corrections after it got hit by the mirror array.