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WOW!Braking from 160 to 0 takes only 162 ft,that would put it only 11ft more than Enzo's braking which is the only thing superior it has to F1(not including steering).And as for handling auto car also praised it by saying it has phenomenal handling.http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/mclaren/f1-1992-1998/ride

But I am full aware that handling and not to mention brakes and tires have come a long way since then so F1 can't cope up with modern cars.

As for F1 being faster than CGT,Rowan Atkinson said it in 2004 issue of Evo,Martin Brundle said F1 was the best in his 2002 car test.I still find it amazing that it is still considered a good benchmark.Its Millbrook and MIRA record still remains unbroken.

Its Estoril lap is even now one of the fastest just surpassed by 991 GT3,GTR 550PS and 991 Turbo S.The cars it lapped faster than includes ZR1,458 Italia,SLS AMG and 991 Carrera 4S.

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If you want a comparison, heres a 175hp 2009 road legal caterham setting a time of 1:53.4

As for S2000 lap time,I highly doubt it is stock and streetlegal as at braking stock S2000 will not pull 2g's.And no roadcar has broken 1:50 barrier according to autofoco magazine.Besides S2000 is slower than Civic Type r which again only did 2:04.

I just wished that F1 had more laps at tsukuba like other supercars rather than 1 lap,I hope that it improves by at least 1s.Its estoril laptime is very impressive only 2s slower than 991 gt3 on a technical track.

But the thing I hate about F1 is that it had soft suspension and too many body rolls through corners.Not having an anti roll bar at rear is fine because Jonathan Palmer said that it would make the handling unpredictable but still,I wanted it to be a track car rather than road car.

276*The F1 was always fast in a straight line. Above 150mph, it accelerated faster than F1 cars. It had very very little weight. Built at the time where there were no crash regulations to meet, airbags, heavy dual clutches. And importantly, the curb weight, was the curb weight. So that's huge power to weight. Bonus is that this car is low and has practically no aero drag. And it'll always be a legend because it'll always hold the world record for top speed in a N/A car, a car that won Le Mans, and the only supercar to seat 3 people.

if mclaren admitted that it would be beaten by mp4-12c then show me the link.
autocar said f1 is better than mp4-12c,tiff needle said it,evo said it,only bad review i heard is by tg.
on very ,tight track it might be true but on long track i doubt it.
they may have said that it is as fast as f1(at professionals hand ofcourse) like ferrari did with 430 scedura

this is comparision of f1 to f1 xp5
test f1 vs xp5 vs ameritech
0-100mph 6.3 vs 6s vs 7.7s
skidpad n/a vs 1.2(claim) vs0.86g
0-200kph 9.4s vs 7.6s vs 10.5+s
1/4 mile 11.1vs10.2s(est)vs11.6s
topspeed 231-240mph vs 243vs217mph
now concerning 7:11 lap time,if you are speaking of ameritech, standard f1, it can do it in about 7:30 at best,but xp5 can do much better than that it even requires 2010 upgrade package by mclaren for standard f1 to perform as good as xp5.
THE 20.832KM LAP TIMES ARE ABOUT 7S SLOWER THAN 20.6KM LAPS AS STATED BY NURBURGRING SITE

GTRs have always had good cornering speed in every generation they have been in from the late 60s to know, Hell i should no, But that is one factor, But it isnt the most. The reason it does a 7:08 is the AMOUNT of attempts it has taken, Give every car on that Nurb list and it would look Very different today. 10 laps or 1000, Which do you think would yield a better result?...

But again, If one is gonna claim a laptime, There better be proof, Now concerning a prototype XP5, Most of the time the finish product is much faster then the unfinished version, But McLarens XPs have been known to be quite a bit faster, F1 to P1. But it just didnt do a 7:11, Look at all the cars that havent even come close to that.

that may be because you have registered earlier,ijust registered 2 days before.
and reputation!=knowledge.
and 7:11 is not only from wiki but also fromhttp://www.sps-automotive.com/en_sps/track/07Nt_zonda.html
and circuit breaker just proves that f1 has lapped nurburgring but you said it has not lapped there.
it also proved that i was right about f1's 7:11.
calculate its average and it comes out to be around 169km/h.

nismo got 7:08 due to its good cornering speed.
if you are tracking the source,you should see the old formula one videos with matti kyllonen.
mclaren can hide this fact for many reasons like for not affecting their sales of new car.
which will tell that its old car is better than new.

autocar has stated several times that f1 is faster than mp4-12c around track in most conditions.

and lastly p1 has not shown any laptime for ring but they released its average speed as 111mph

if you know mika hakkinen you can ask about the laptime of mclaren f1 and confirm whether it is for xp5 or lm.

back then nobody cared about laptimes and its classical example is xj220 which was record holder for laptime for 3 yrs and nobody cared to buy it

Really though, None of those are a source, Its just a gathered sum of laptimes bunched together in databases that look for numbers rather then evidence, There is NO ACTUAL proof of the 7:11 time other then hearsay, I have never seen McLaren admitting to that time.

You also forget, OTHER laptimes from cars, How many manufakturs have claimed the lap record and not a SINGLE one has ever said anything about the 7:11 or aimed for it UNTIL the Apollo Speed?....

But hell maybe they did do it, McLaren has said for the past 2 years there P1 lapped The Ring in Under 7Mins....And still AFTER ALL this time no video or anything....

We all know the F1 is fast, But its not doing a 7:11, Hell a Carrera GT with Rohl behind the wheel ONLY did a 7:28, And you think an F1 is almost 20s faster? lol Know we should all understand a few things when regarding a Ring lap, Driver, Conditions, Traffic, Options, But ONE of THE most important things to have, Is number of laps, WHy do you think a Nismo got a 7:08 and NONE of its other laptimes reflect a siiliar outcome?...

why?
where's the evidence for 5:15 with swift?
if looking that way there is no evidence for 8:04 of a diablo gt.
also they must have had used the old references.
also do all the laptimes taken in nurburgring have an onboard video?
THE LAP TIMES DO NOT ORIGINATE WITHOUT ANY SOURCES OR ANY PERSON RECORDING IT.7:11 WAS A MANUFACTURER CLAIM.YOU SHOULD ASK MIKA HAKKINEN,MCLAREN,MATTI KYLLONEN (WHO SAID ABOUT IT IN A 1997 FORMULA 1 SEASON) ABOUT THAT.SEE 1990'S FORMULA ONE HIGHLIGHTS WITH MATTI KYLLONEN AS COMMENTATOR

I BET EVEN IF THERE WAS MIKA HAKKINEN VIDEO TODAY,YOU WOULD STILL SAY IT IS UNREALISTIC.

WHAT MORE REFERENCES DO YOU WANT?

AND WHERE DID YOU GET 0.7G FOR A ZONDA R?

IF SWIFT COULD DO IT IN 5:15 THEN THE RECORD LAP OF 6:11 SHOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN BROKEN WHICH IS STILL UNBEATEN BY LMP'S OF TODAY.

who cares if YOU believe something happened. It still didn't happen, or else every effing journalist, record book, and holy Mclaren themselves would have been jumping at every chance to say how wonderful the F1, made in UK was.

heres the link for ccr speed around the ringhttp://img3.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Rundenzeit-Nordschleife-Supertest-Koenigsegg-CCR-sportauto0306-fotoshowBigImage-50190c4b-219116.jpg
these are the speeds for mclaren f1 in mph
200,170,180,60,90,130,75,150,110,
170,70,140,90,40,150,100,60,120,50,60,110,90,130,70,150,110,120,70,140,80,90,80,75,90,75,80,130,140,120,
90,75,85
and these are the speeds for ccr(km/h)
313,143,166,267,102,250,162,113,98,247,166,89,114,109,194,222,96,135
and LOL it is circuit breaker article which made me believe the 7:11 lap by mika hakkinen,it has easily done 7:45 let alone by flemke at half throttle.
however here are the speeds at around same points for f1 and ccr.
f1 (mph) vs ccr(km/h)
200, vs 313
90, vs 143
110, vs 166
170, vs 267
70, vs 102
140, vs 250
100, vs 162
90, vs 113
70, vs 98
150, vs 247
110, vs 166
80, vs 114
75, vs 109
130, vs 194
140, vs 222
75, vs 96
85 vs 135
and don't tell f1 has not lapped around nurburgring even if no laps were released.from what i can see f1 will have around 6km/h more speed than ccr.EVEN XJ220 (90'S TIRES)DID 7:46 I CAN'T SEE IT BEING ONLY SLIGHTLY FASTER THAN THAT
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auto car is not a source.

Normally a car trapping 107 mph in the eighthmile will do the 20.6-20.8km 'Ring in about 7:11-7:15, but also put its classic technology (i.e., 1990s technology) and 17" tires (17 inch?!! Many modern luxury cars wear 18's or 19's) into this aspect....It can't really do 7:11, but more like 7:35-7:40.

An R35 NISMO on the other hand sprints through an eighthmile at a 104 mph trap, yet it does 7:08 at the 'Ring. That's because....two fourth-grade-level words: newest stuff.