cuttaxrates. the opposite ofwhatobamasaid.they don't believe it. they want a western european style cradle to grave state. they want to make sure that they preserve it and they want to pay for it. the middle class is going to be nailed and they are going to blame republicans and they are going to have to go back to get more money. isn't it mostly true, taxing the rich, and you poll the whole electric. the middle income people believe they are going to be next. middle income say you are not going to get enough money there. they are going to hit me and there is going to be a carbon tax. president obama needs to expand the government. i wish the majority of the middle class saw it that way. more than half the country felt that his left wing agenda was it. it isn't eventually the middle class is going to get nailed. and the spin will be that republicans jacked up the economy so badly. >> i think that is where this is going. i think there could be a tax and maybe it can't get through congress. but i have never seen a time, i have seen polls on this. taxing the rich. they know that.

, but the democrats also want to extend some of thetaxcutsthatwere enacted as partofobama's 2009stimulus plan. that's where you get that bump up for college tuition and extra child credits and that sort of thing. >> we have another graphic i want to throw up. this is pretty much your upper middle class couple, combined yearly income, 940,000 bucks. under the democrats' plan, you see the numbers, taxes going up about $37,000. much less when you see the republican plan numbers, about $17,000. and then if we go off the cliff, this couple gets hammered because their taxes go up close to $50,000. their best deal, laurie montgomery, coming from the republicans. >> right. exactly. because the republicans don't want to raise their rates where as if we go over the cliff, they lose everything. everyone loses everything if we go over the cliff. and the democrats want those folks to lose their income tax rates anyhow so they get a better deal from the republicans because the republicans are saying, no, no, we want to extend the tax cuts for you too. >> laurie montgomery from the washington post, thank yo

differences. boehnerwouldcutmuchmore.obama's viewiswe'vecutsomuch from that already we have to be careful how much more we cut. >> when you talk about discretionary spending cuts, a big difference between defense cuts and domestic cuts. does it go after defense spending the way he has? >> he hasn't spelled it out yet. we don't know. r&d, a lot of investment programs we think we need to keep this economy growing. >> can i ask a question? what makes up the difference between the bowles-simpson proposals and the other ones? why is that so much higher? what are they leaving out? >> there were more tax increases. it was light on entitlements. >> okay. >> where did bowles-simpson get the revenue. >> they eliminated a whole slaw and lowering rates and also a tax on gasoline. >> they let the bush tax cuts expire, right? >> initially they did and then were going to do tax reform. >> would they increase the taxes on the rich? >> yeah. >> they would? >> yes. >> to the same extent? >> i would have to do the math. >> don't you do any homework? >> numbers cruncher. dad, thank you so much.

onpresidentobamatotake bold action on the controversial issue of global warming. welcome to "america live", i am megyn kelly. the nrdc has issued a groundbreaking proposal to cut pollution in america's power plants, saying that the epa can and should be used. rules for hundreds of existing power plants, bypassing congress altogether. this kind of proposal would obviously have huge economic impact that could spread across the industry that employ hundreds of thousands of americans. the coal industry. chris stirewalt is our digital politics editor and host of power play. this group has emitted this proposal and wants the epa to take control of these admissions in a way that president obama could not get through congress. he submitted his cap and trade proposal when the democrats controlled the house and senate. nancy pelosi got passed in the house. now this group is going to the epa in saying that you just do it, crack down on these admissions yourself. the supreme court has said that you have this power. go for it. the eta said no, for now. reporter: the epa probably wishes that the group

but only 71 with enough swag to makethecut. here'sthe top ten led by the second-year running, president barack obama. the highest ranking female, angela merkel. then mr. putin of russia. bill gates, pope benedict, ben bernanke, saudi king. more on how the list was assembled and other details, forbes media ceo, mike, thanks for being with us. >> this is important to us because nothing personifies what we do at forbes like our power list. we're about success and the impact of people who achieve success have. we have ten editors who get together. we draw on a huge bank -- >> they always agree on everything. don't they? >> exactly. there is some subjectivity, i must admit. they talk about the number of people that someone influences. the amount of financial resources that they have. how many spheres they operate in, are they just financial or are tle political or philanthropic. the fourth criteria is do they act on their power, do they use their power. and if you look at -- >> that's the reason why bill gates would rank so high here is how he has used some of his financial power in the phil

in today for john berman. >> and i'm zoraida sambolin. >>> up first,presidentobamastandinghis ground over the fight in the fiscal cliff. americans face crushing tax hikes and severe spending cuts in 27 days if democrats and republicans cannot come together on a deal. by the way, congress breaks for the holidays in ten days. slash that number. in an interview with bloomberg news, the president made it crystal clear he's not about to blink on the issue of tax hikes for the wealthiest americans. >> we'll have to see the rates on the top 2% go up. and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> white house correspondent dan lothian joins us live from washington this morning. very nice to see you, dan. >> good to see you. >> here's the deal. we have republicans pitted against democrats. now we understand there are issues amongst republicans as well. >> that's right. they're in a tough spot here. they don't want to be in left in a position of being blamed for the fiscal cliff. you're seeing a division between house members and senate members. the reason for this is mainly over

, see? i'm ready for negotiation. put me on the team. i just did a lotofcutsthatmean nothing. boy, how much did i save us over ten year. >>> thank you, rick. more santelli in the third hour. >>> still ahead, of course, live coverage of president obama's remarks on the fiscal cliff and the negotiations before the business roundtable. we'll bring that to you live in just a few minutes. [ male announcer ] citi turns 200 this year. in that time there've been some good days. and some difficult ones. but, through it all, we've persevered, supporting some of the biggest ideas in modern history. so why should our anniversary matter to you? because for 200 years, we've been helping ideas move from ambition to achievement. and the next great idea could be yours. ♪ >>> with the internet streaming space, hey, there melissa, we're looking at netflix bouncing around based on comments from the chief content cipher but the stock took a bit of a hit when he said that netflix has to plans to cover the costs of the disney deal. nevertheless causing the stock to come off the best levels of the day.