Just curious what exactly this is. I've heard of it but never what it was all about. The chaplain here at Camp Darby went through it and all he mentioned was "PT, PT, PT..." with a glazed over look.

In case you're wondering why a chaplain went through it, he was enlisted for about 18 years. He was in C 2-75 from 79-80 and an RI in Georgia in the mountain phase from 85-90. His name is Chuck Wood in case you're wondering who the hell I'm talking about.

If not mistaken, quite a few years ago, US Forces were no longer able to attend the ROK Ranger Course due to the attrition rate of Americans being so high. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Just as you did, from what I hear ... the amount of PT is MORE than enough to get John Goodman in shape in no time.

I believe either JSOCMarine or Tracy had a post about ROK Troops somewhere here or there. I as well mentioned the PT/H2H traits of the ROK Marines in one of my posts on one of the many Martial Arts related questions in I believe either this forum, or on the SEAL Forum. Do a search for it.

Maybe Tracy, JSOCMarine, RifleMaster or E19 can possibly give you more details.

As I recall. One of the problems with US personnell attending the ROK course, was that the ORM for many of their training evolutions determined that the risk of injury was to great, and the safety standards were not in place (atleast not to US standards) sufficiently enough to allow US personnel to participate.

In other words. They did not have the same degree of concern for hurting people in training that we do. Doing a slide for life across a 300 foot gorge without a safety line. Crossing a field expediant rope bridge 400' above ground level without having a safety line, etc. Because of the risk, US personnel were restricted from participating.

The ROK ranger badge is pretty cool, especially if you have ever seen it on a US uniform (I have personally only seen two, on crusty old-timer SF guys in Yongsan in 1985). It's a sideways dagger with a wreath and a star at the tip of the blade and is worn over the right breast pocket of class A's like foreign jump wings. At first glance, it looks like a distorted "second award" CIB with the wreath and star.....

Anyone else seen one of these? Better yet, anyone got a scan? It's been sixteen years and I'd like to see if my memory serves me well.....

I used to fear no heights. I guess it was during operation Bear Hunt '83 when I got to play those games in Korea. Now....I realise my own mortality, but as a young Cpl, nothing could hurt me. Sigh...those were the days.

Back in 1989 - 90 when I was stationed in Korea we had a guy graduate ROK Ranger School from my unit (yes a pogue signal unit, 304th Sig Bn). He came back with lots of stories of the abuse of the instructors on the natives (they couldn't touch the US soldiers). Things like caning and holding trainees heads under water etc. He also told us about the PT and the infamous "duck walk" which he hated.

I don't know anything about a ROK Ranger phase at Cheju-do, but it makes sense. I went to Cheju-do for the mountaineering and rapelling school which was an absolute blast. I still have pictures of me coming down the 300' rapel.

Good story bout ROK Ranger school.... As you know, the cadre beat the shit out of the ROK studs during each and every day there... Well, back in 89, we sent two TACPs from the Combined Field Army (CRC) thru the school... well, Crunch Myers was, shall we say "the biggest white boy these boneheads had ever seen"... He invited a few of us Camp Howze boys up to that little base outside of Pel-nang-ri to watch them run "O-Course" event... We tactically located in the vicinity of the "High Wall" which was about 10 feet high... all the "Snappers" were having a hell of a time negotiating that obstacle, and as they would "dismount", the cadre would pounce on them with the Boi-oing sticks (36 inch billy clubs with springs above the handle that would give you three whacks for every swing, thus the name Boi-oing stick)... Anyhow, Ol Crunch jumps over the wall, and we are fully expecting ol Sgt Kim to whup up on his ass with the boi-oing stick... and as he comes over the wall, said Instructor winds up for the big swing... Ol Crunch hits the ground, and in his loudest, deepest southern drawl says "I don't think so Adashi", and said instructor notices that he is 6'5" and 260 pounds of not so happy red neck, and drops the "club" and says in awesome pidgeon english... "Its O.K. you go now!" and sends him on his merry way... (The next ROK soldier over the wall got extra whacks by the way)... I almost shit myself laughing it was so funny... Unfortunately, the american guys who completed the School are only authorized to wear the "cool ass badge" while stationed in Joint Billets in the ROK...

Just thought that might bring a smile to Ya'lls (Plural possesive of Ya'll) faces..

Hotmike

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Diplomacy is the Art of saying "Nice Doggie" till you find a huge rock to crush his skull with...

Of course I am, you know us REMF types. We try to associate ourselves with famous names or headgear while trying to do as little as possible

Actually, I never even knew there was a Camp Darby and my "REMF" unit has gotten me into a tax-free zone 15 out of the last 21 months. And not just for overnights, we usually spend a week or three there at a time. Don't hold this against me, we do "forward deployed" REMF stuff when there. Thus I stay true to my handle. Moving unit equipment in and out for SFOR and KFOR and various Marine/SETAF exercises.

Been here for almost 2 years now.

(And the info geek in me had to read all about PGP since you keep splattering it all over the place. I thought I was a nerd, God, they have 10 page explanations on the nature of algorithms in multi-bit key combinations. Couldn't you just use some sort of embedded porn or something? I mean, hell, that would distract me from anything you had actually written.)

Well, the reason for my confusion is that there must be TWO
Camp Darby's. The Origional is at Ft. Benning and the
Chaplain's name is not Wood, hense/hence(?) the question.
As far as PGP, after becoming interested in computer
security and learning the myriad of ways a person's privacy
is compromised, it was a no-brainer. Open ports, NetBios
over TCP/IP, File and Printer Sharing enabled for no
reason, Trojans, Keyloggers, Spyware phoning home, Hostile
Active X, Cookies, Web Bugs, Referrer Logging, plus a
hundered more. If I sign a message and it validates, it is
from me and only me and has not been altered. No name
spoofing possible.
If I REALLY have something to say, I will encrypt
and NO ONE but the recipient can read it. Carnivore can
kiss my a$$ Better to have and not need...

Check the SITES database. The Camp Darby I'm at is near Pisa, Italy, has been around since right after WWII, and is an Army post that's population is half Air Force. Everybody and their brother comes here to camp in the summer.

I would guess the Camp Darby your used to would actually have more to do with it's namesake than the one I'm at.

SUUUUURE POLY.... just don't tell the boys about the alien transporter you got stashed away in the arms room....
William Hazen
PS. I figured out how to use PGP and many thanks to you for that... but I have no real need for it... by being ubiquetoues it is my hope to be inconspecuoius... It has been my experiance that any thing more than average security tends to attract the hacks like bees to honey... It's like holding up a sign that says HEY I AM OVER HERE COME AND GET ME!!! Sorry for the misspells boys

Originally posted by RangerHazen:
by being ubiquetoues it is my hope to be inconspecuoius... It has been my experiance that any thing more than average security tends to attract the hacks like bees to honey... It's like holding up a sign that says HEY I AM OVER HERE COME AND GET ME!!! Sorry for the misspells boys

The ROK ranger badge is pretty cool, especially if you have ever seen it on a US uniform (I have personally only seen two, on crusty old-timer SF guys in Yongsan in 1985). It's a sideways dagger with a wreath and a star at the tip of the blade and is worn over the right breast pocket of class A's like foreign jump wings. At first glance, it looks like a distorted "second award" CIB with the wreath and star.....

Anyone else seen one of these? Better yet, anyone got a scan? It's been sixteen years and I'd like to see if my memory serves me well.....

I have both the BDU Badge Class A Badge, And Graduation Certificate being in the very 1st Class of American Troops to complete the course. How can I get it to you?