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Saturday, August 22, 2009

Another country heard from: "Liberals Have Guns Too, Ya Know..."

"Think about this, Rambo."

Folks,

Here we have one of the more creative leftist/collectivist reactions to the town hall armed contingents. You can find it at OpEd News.

My reaction post on their website follows.

MikeIII

Liberals Have Guns Too, Ya Know...

by Stephen Pizzo Page 1 of 1 page(s) www.opednews.com

So, the latest way the wing-nut right has found to get everyone's attention is to show up heavy at healthcare town hall meetings. I don't know what loaded guns have to do with healthcare reform, but there they are, AR15's hanging on the shoulders of men in baseball caps, 9mm semi-automatic pistolas strapped, Bruce Willis-style, on their upper thighs. All loaded for " what? Bear? Deer? Muskrats? Dingos?

Dunno. But there they are, loaded for something – prancing around with their hardware fully exposed with a, “mine is bigger than yours,” swagger. And "I got a honkin' bad, uncircumsized assault rifle." (With flash supressor.)

Right wingers are always fretting about how liberals are on the verge of taking their guns away. Which makes me wonder if they realized how many liberals out here are just as well armed as they are? Because we are. And, take it from me as a life-long liberal, I know liberals far better than right wingers do and taking your guns away is not on the mainstream progessive agenda.

So, we liberal gun owners don't lay awake nights, stroking our guns, waiting for black helicopters to sweep in with storm troopers there to wrench our guns from our “cold dead fingers.” We know that's not about to happen, at least as long as we don't abuse our constitutional right to keep and bear arms. (Civics Lesson: Every right in the constitution can only exist as long as those granted those rights don't abuse them... like yelling “fire” in a crowded theater --- or shooting up town hall meetings... just saying.)

Right wingers seem to think that only their kind appreciate the heft of a well-made gun. Wrong. As I already noted, many liberals own guns, often more than one. And, if I could dare to speak for fellow liberal gun-owners, here's how we view our firearm(s):

We view our gun the very same way we view the fire extinguisher we keep in case there's a fire. I'd feel pretty foolish, even irresponsible, if a fire broke out in our kitchen and I didn't have an extinguisher right at hand before it spread and burned our house down. Likewise, I'd feel pretty foolish if someone broke into my house in the middle of the night and I didn't have a way to protect myself and my family. (Knock wood, I've never had a fire or break-in, but both can and do happen, and I'm ready for either.)

That's one difference between liberal gun owners and those guys packing loaded guns at town hall meetings. We don't have their obsessive relationship with firearms, just as we don't don't have obsessive feelings toward our washing machines, or our lawn mowers or our fire extinguishers. Guns are just another household appliance, nothing more. (Imagine how crazy it would it be if I showed up at a healthcare town hall meeting packing a fully-loaded toaster oven? Pretty crazy, dudes.)

Furthermore, liberals tend to be more polite than right wingers, especialing when it comes the handling of firearms. We understand that flashing guns in public places makes other folks nervous. So we keep our guns where they belong, at home, in a secure place. I wouldn't show up with a gun at town hall meeting any more than I'd show up with a chainsaw. Sure, it's perfectly legal to walk around in crowd with a fueled up and ready to go chainsaw, as long as you don't assault anyone with it. But it's also something only a truly stupid, or insane, person would do... or for that matter, even consider doing.

One more thing. Imagine for a moment we libs started showing at these town hall meetings packing heat as well? Just how many nanoseconds do you figure would pass before some armed dimwit decided this was time to live out his personal “showdown at the OK corral” fantasy? Duh.

So, if those on the right are really worried politicians might pass restrictive gun laws, just keep tempting fate like you've been doing the past couple of weeks. Because when you purposely inject loaded guns into an already emotionally-loaded political/social debate, it's only a matter of time before the inevitable happens. Then there will be new gun laws. Because that's how it works in this country. We wait until something terrible happens, or nearly happens, then we pass a law against it.

Which is precisely why we now must take our shoes off at airports, even though everyone knows “shoes don't kill people, people kill people.”

Think about it, Rambo.

"No, think about THIS, Dumbo."

My post:

Think about THIS, Dumbo.

A. If there are statistically that many left wing collectivists (you are NOT classic liberals) who own firearms, then why do you bastards keep trying to take OURS away? Another example of collectivist hypocrisy?

B. It is good that you have firearms. Keep pushing us back from our God-given, inalienable rights to life, liberty and property and you sorry collectivist sonsabitches are gonna NEED 'em.

Mike VanderboeghPinson, ALthe alleged leader of merry band of Three Percenterssipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.comGeorgeMason1776@aol.com

You keep doing that, Stephen Pizzo. One day, while we are both enjoying dinner in a restaurant somewhere with our families, (most likely two separate restaurants, as I only patronize those establishments that welcome one’s 2nd Amendment Right to Bear Arms) and two someone’s who do not leave their firearms at home, and who also happen not to be law abiding citizens, decide to rob our respective restaurants, I’ll wish you and yours the best.

So this intellectual giant thinks that it is dumb to not have a fire extinguisher at hand where a fire is most likely to break out, but thinks it is smart to not have a firearm at hand where he, or his family, is most likely to be attacked?

"Civics Lesson: Every right in the constitution can only exist as long as those granted those rights ... "

Why, oh why, do liberals bitterly cling to the belief that rights are 'granted'?

In the USA we are endowed with certain rights by our Creator - suposedly the highest authority there is. To state it in another way - we posses rights. They are as much a part of our fabric and being as much as we posses skin or fingernails.

Attempt to mess with my rights and I will respond in the same manner as I would had you decided to mess with my skin or my fingernails.

Just how stupid does Pizzo think we are? Liberals/statists (any stripe) gave us NFA35, GCA68, AWB-1, machine gun manufacturing limits, draconian permit systems in the several states and even denial/gross restriction(may issue) of permits in some states as well as draconian limitations on where a firearm can be carried by an honest, law abiding citizen. -To name a few. Most liberals I know DO NOT have firearms, much less ammo and gear. And those that do, generally don't have a clue as to how to use them or even consider carrying 24/7 as many of us do. I always carry a spare tire, fire extinquisher, insurance AND a firearm(s) because one never knows where the NEED for those items may occur. That means NOT at home or stashed somewhere where you can't get to them (that's plural, 'dude') in mere seconds.

Thank you, Mike for the clear and poiniant example.

Typical of an illogical liberal mind to make such emotional claims like 'we have guns, too'. So f'g what. I doubt you know how to use it, are willing to use it, have the training to use it, or even have the ammo to feed it. You most likely have even forgotten the combo to your safe or even where you hid them. Ha, ha, ha. Yes, I've actually seen this happen to a liberal more than once... Besides, a few liberals I know would faint dead away at the mere sight of a firearm, as evidenced by their utter shock that I carry 24/7. (The last one didn't believe me so I pulled it out and showed him in a discrete locale. The look on his face was PRICELESS.)

If chucklehead Pizzo could even recite the "four rules" of gun safety, I would be truly amazed.

How interesting that while some anti-gun people claim to be as well armed as we are, they feel the need to denigrate their projection of emotional pathology upon people they would never meet at some Manhattan cocktail party.

It is obvious that the statists are getting the message of armed citizens at these demonstrations. The number of op-eds and "News" chatter that we are stupid, childish, and irresponsible proves that they ARE getting the message that there is a threat of consequences significantly more personal than losing a future election.

This guy must be writing a humor column, tongue-in-cheek, don't you think? I mean, really, liberals "polite'??? Hold up a picture of my queen, Sarah Palin, and see how many of those nanoseconds pass by before the libs are frothing, thrashing their arms and legs, gnashing their teeth and turning purple. They put on a tremendously amusing show.

And fire extinguishers are useful but should always be in one's home, locked securely in a vault.

Finally I will agree with what everyone HERE already knows - a slave mentality, (i.e., liberal / socialist / statist ) can NOT grasp the concept of 'rights' that are not 'granted' by some superior authority. Only the mentality of a FREE man can grasp the concept that rights are bestowed by the Creator of all, on every person.

Oh, and just for the record Maccabee. When they hold up a picture of their queen, ( Barney Frank), in front of me for a few seconds. I give them the same reaction. But with intermitent vomiting added.......mthead

I get really tired of the old "you can't yell 'FIRE!' in a theater" myth. (The real quote asserts you have no right to FALSELY yell "FIRE!", but almost everyone misses that distinction, and it is still wrong anyway.) Yes, you can. It is your absolute human right to do so. It may not be nice, and you will be held accountable for any harm you cause by doing so, of course.

The Bill of Rights doesn't give us any rights at all. In fact, it doesn't even apply to you or me at all unless we work for government.

What it DOES do is prohibit government from enacting "laws" that restrict (violate) certain rights (think of it as a "government shall not..." list).

Since the First Amendment protects ALL speech from government regulation or control, it also protects the right to say things that can be destructive or stupid. That doesn't mean doing so is right.... it is not, but government can have no legitimate say in the matter.

What government can do, or what a private arbitrator should do, after the fact, is hold the speaker accountable for any harm his foolishness caused.

The best thing is that the Bill of Rights could be repealed tomorrow and it wouldn't diminish our rights at all. It might make it slightly easier for government to get away with violating those rights. We may get a chance to see.

I feel somewhat silly for belaboring the bleein' obvious, but.. as a graduate of UC Berkeley, having observed for many painful years the nation's finest and most cerebral of the libtards-in-training, I would offer the following observations:

- A malarial hyena has nothing on the hysterical bark of the righteously indignant libtard.

- Whenever someone on a lecture circuit who happens to be right of Trotsky (a rare event in itself) is incautious enough to visit Berkeley, the lecture is protested and disrupted in the most awful and impolite ways while the administration looks the other way.

- Should a brave (and well-groomed, for a change) right-of-Trotsky campus club attempt to hold signs peacefully reminding people of one liberal insanity or another, the campus police are called out.

- The self-righteousness of the libtard is such that quite frequently they have no realization of the profound hypocrisy implicit in their behavior -- they, who are the self-styled "champions of tolerance and free speech", are by far more intolerant and censorship-prone than any of their ideological opponents.

- UC Berkeley, while producing some leading edge science, is an absolute pit of despair insofar as the explicit and implicit political spin they impart to the students. While a few escape with a heightened resolve to derail the corporatocratic/collectivist menace, I have no doubt that most emerge as confirmed obamanoid zombies in this regard. Professors do not hide their socialist biases, and blatantly penalize students who don't play along.

- The birthplace of the 60's "free speech movement" is probably the most shrilly censored campus in the country. You'd have to be there to believe it... a travesty of grandiose proportions.

Well, that was quite a walk down memory lane. I could almost detect a whiff of patchouli and over-ripe Birkenstocks.

Almost forgot. Mike, thanks for putting up the pic of Sylvester "Rambutt" Stallone. I'd almost forgotten how much I came to hate that hypocrite after the statements he said when Phil Hartman was killed by his off-meds wife.

In case anyone's forgotten, to the effect, "The police need to go door to door and confiscate all guns."

Two thoughts: At the top--almost the lead--Pizzo (or his leadr) wrote, "I don't know what loaded guns have to do with healthcare reform. . . ." I say he surely knows because none of us Nazis ;-) has connected the two.

On Libidiots with guns: I gave a Mossberg 20-gauge pump to a neolib WW2 Army vet who e-mailed me yesterday that he hasn't yet figured out how to use it!?!?!?!

These brain trusts keep making the same stupid statements about no connection between the right to bear arms and this insidious health care 'plan'. First, they must be ignoring the "Ted Kennedy" inputs to the bills which only show after the bill had past. Secondly, they don't seem to get the connection that the citizenry is over unconstitutional legislation.

I think the main reason that conservatives are bringing firearms to display their independance from guberment is that they aren't enjoying what the guberment is trying to shove up our backsides and the liberals seem to relish it. Why would a liberal want to complain about something they like?

Liberals and state-run media profess to get the vapors over weapons carried openly by citizens at political events, but one question is never asked:

Were those weapons loaded? Did the bearers of arms have ammo on their person?

I think the answer in each case was a resounding NO. But if it was reported thus, "The AR-15 carried by one protester was found to be empty" or "the Glock on the protester's hip had an empty magazine", that would completely derail their propaganda about "dangerous armed right-wing extremists".

And we can be certain that media people did confront the arms bearers: "Sir, is that gun you are carrying loaded!?"

A negative reply would as noted deflate the implied message of dangerousness.

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On the efficacy of passive resistance in the face of the collectivist beast. . .

Had the Japanese got as far as India, Gandhi's theories of "passive resistance" would have floated down the Ganges River with his bayoneted, beheaded carcass. -- Mike Vanderboegh.

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"I believe that being despised by the despicable is as good as being admired by the admirable."

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The fears of man are many. He fears the shadow of death and the closed doors of the future. He is afraid for his friends and for his sons and of the specter of tomorrow. All his life's journey he walks in the lonely corridors of his controlled fears, if he is a man. For only fools will strut, and only cowards dare cringe. -- James Warner Bellah, "Spanish Man's Grave" in Reveille, Curtis Publishing, 1947.

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"The time is now near at hand which must probably determine, whether Americans are to be, Freemen, or Slaves; whether they are to have any property they can call their own; whether their Houses, and Farms, are to be pillaged and destroyed, and they consigned to a State of Wretchedness from which no human efforts will probably deliver them. The fate of unborn Millions will now depend, under God, on the Courage and Conduct of this army-Our cruel and unrelenting Enemy leaves us no choice but a brave resistance, or the most abject submission; that is all we can expect-We have therefore to resolve to conquer or die." -- George Washington to his troops before the Battle of Long Island.

"We will not go gently . . ."

This is no small thing, to restore a republic after it has fallen into corruption. I have studied history for years and I cannot recall it ever happening. It may be that our task is impossible. Yet, if we do not try then how will we know it can't be done? And if we do not try, it most certainly won't be done. The Founders' Republic, and the larger war for western civilization, will be lost.

But I tell you this: We will not go gently into that bloody collectivist good night. Indeed, we will make with our defiance such a sound as ALL history from that day forward will be forced to note, even if they despise us in the writing of it.

And when we are gone, the scattered, free survivors hiding in the ruins of our once-great republic will sing of our deeds in forbidden songs, tending the flickering flame of individual liberty until it bursts forth again, as it must, generations later. We will live forever, like the Spartans at Thermopylae, in sacred memory.

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