I didn't know how to subject this rant so just labeled it the cat of living the good life. Thought f ths before in the whelm of being "green", whatever the he'll that is but then thought about being rich itself.

People want to be "green" but have to pay for it. Many times through the nose. Like the folks who spend $40,000 to put a 10000 gal tank buried under their lawn to catch run off from their faucets and roofto water their green lawn. Just an example.

What resources are wasted or consumed to produce this extra money. I hear of carbon foot print but that comes at a price. No mention of the cost to the planet to produce this extra money. It must come to a cost to the planet. It just doesn't coe from out of the air, or even ifit did what does that do to the air. Like the book I just read where one f the characters recycles by driving several miles to the recycling center.

So I think we need to consider the cost of being green.

Then expand this.

What is the cost of being rich. Has there been any study to determine how many poor people it takes to support a rich one? We hear it the other way around, but not this way. We always hear about the rich providing the jobs but what we really mean is that the rich require folks to work for little in order for them to live in luxury.

Just a rant.

Dave

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Ok...I think this is also a ramble, because you aren't making a lot of sense.

Going "green" may cost a lot up front, but it usually pays off in the long run.

Not all rich people require poor people to support them. Just look at the late Steve Jobs as an example. He and Apple made a ton of money because they sold a lot of merchandise

Yeah, the products were made in China/Taiwan, but that's because labor is cheap over there. Is it Apple's fault for that? I tend to think it's China's Rulers for allowing companies to come in and pay so little wage.

I tend to think it's China's Rulers for allowing companies to come in and pay so little wage.

Yes and no.

China has what over a billion people , so China needs jobs for all those people. China rulers are kinda smart , what they do is subsidize, rent and utilities and some other stuff = thus making the cost of living so low that they can get paid far less , which in return attracts off shore to bring in yet even more jobs.

China and Malaysia at some point are gonna end up like Japan and Taiwan <-- they both pay scales have caught up to the point where they too have to outsource jobs because its cheaper. The roles are now reversed.

I suspect in 20 years China it self will be outsourcing to a 3rd world country. Maybe one of those break away former USSR republics ? or one of those in Africa - the key here it has to be a country that natural resources in the ground and can be mined locally.

On the green part, what I'm saying is that most folks that promote green don't figure in the cost an I say one needs to do that to get the final results.

I don't buy that green activities will pay off in the long run either. Of course some do but those aren't always just green but lie in the conservative category also.

My dad, in the fifties won a conservation award from the county for his land management/terracing activities. He dd t to save water and save hs topsoil. Green sure but financially was the reason. Buyingan overly expensive electric car is not conservative.

Dave

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Well, yeah, I don't know of anyone that can just blindly switch over to "green" without figuring in the costs. That goes with anything.

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I don't buy that green activities will pay off in the long run either. Of course some do but those aren't always just green but lie in the conservative category also.

You are losing me here. So are you saying that those "green activities" that do payoff in the long run are not in fact paying off but also lying about how they conserve energy?

(can you clarify what you mean by "activities"? There are things you can do to be green and things you can buy/install to be green. I am assuming you mean do)

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Buyingan overly expensive electric car is not conservative.

The only overly expensive electric car that I know of is the Tesla. Chevy's Volt & Nissan's Leaf aren't overly expensive.

And since I don't know what resources they use to fabricate them and charge them once they are in use, I don't know if they conserve much if at all. They might...I just don't know.

And you are right when it comes to current hybrid models. I have read that to make the battery of the Prius for example, the cost to the environment far outweighs whatever you are saving when you own one. I will have to look it up online to find a source

But there are methods out there that you and I can do that aren't that expensive. We don't need to install a 10000 gallon tank. Just some smaller ones to collect runoff of rain and then use that to water your lawn is one example.

Switching to LED lights helps you use less electricity. Just don't switch all at once...those suckers aren't cheap right now, but they will be going down eventually.

To totally switch to "green" is too expensive, but to do it in small steps is more economical.

Don't get me wrong, I am not against conceiving our resources. Not at all. I grew up living that way. As I have mentioned before, when I was growing up on the farm, we diverted the water that run off our roof into a cistern. It was our only source of drinking/bathing/washing water. So saving water was a necessity, cause when we were out we were out.

Activities like running a half glass of water to wash our teeth with instead of letting the faucet run. Reusing the dish water to water our garden. We carried it out by hand.

We created ponds in areas that had springs that helped replenish the supply fr our cattle. NEVER leaving a light burning in a room when it wasn't needed. We watched the tv in a darkened room. I grew up this way. It didn't majestic me special. I didnt go around proclaiming we were living "green" . We had to.

It was "make do" . So this is what gets me on a lot f this. Watching the Green channel makes me think it's something exclusive. That's why I get off on folks that send so much on bottled water.

I got on this when I read where folks were driving some distance to the recycling plant. Seems odd.

Speaking of the Prious. I really know much about them, but I have a friend who as one and I must say that that car s the easiest car I have ever got into or out of. Ever Now, I havent ridden in modern cars as most my friends are driving older cars so other cars might be also, but I sure do like this one for that reason . But I have heard that the batteries in those don't last long and that they are very expensive.

Dave

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