squishy wrote:I recently read a story were a mother was bulling a friend of her daughter on myspace, pretending to be a boy and then turning on her with personal attacks. The girl committed suicide shortly after because of it...

I'm not denying that, although there's more to that story than the myspace aspect of it. I'm saying there's no way anybody would seriously associate that incident with what happens in PnP.

Dow Williams wrote:There are spineless cowards in the real world and PnP is nothing more than a reflection of that realistic percentage. If you try to moderate PnP than these, no doubt obese, hackers who spend 24/7 in front of their computer will find mischief in the main body of the site. It is best to give them their little own fiefdom, where they get a sense of false fulfillment, thus keeping the majority of the site related to real SP fundamentals, hiking, climbing whatever it might be, somewhat void of trash. I wish you could all see the beauty in this design and laugh at the dopes wasting their day away in the basement.

SPtroll wrote:Many times the beta from here turns out to be shit anyway and the site is full of assholes posting pictures of flowers and hero shots of themselves on top of some peak no one has ever heard of that fulfills their lifelong dream of hiking every high point in their county, state, region, country blah blah blah. The rest of you are all too busy standing in line to see who gets to jerk THE CHIEF off next.

SPtroll wrote:Piss and moan, whine and cry. Why don't you just shut the fuck up and go climbing?

Statement:"I think there a few members who deliberately only do insult others, not in the heat of debate, but for the joy of it. They ought to be banned, it would be better for the site, and many has asked for it to happen."

Answer:"It would be worse for the site if P&Pdark was removed. P&P is needed as a vent-place and popular, it will stay. Don't go to P&P if you don't like it (=being insulted). Etc. "

That's a good way of putting it, the complaint has nothing to do with P&P dark, unfortunately I'm just receiving canned answers that have been posted time and time again. Same old thing, I guess people don't understand the difference or don't understand what they read...I tried..

I disagree. It is a response. The question is whether PnP dark should be subject to the same rules as the rest of this site. And as you yourself noted, this is a colaborative site, where the users have some say, and the users, for the most part, agree that PnP dark should exist, as is. The fact that some were uncomfortable there was addressed with the creation of PnP light. Staying away if you are uncomfortable seems to me a reasonable response. It is, after all, what I do.

Statement:"I think there a few members who deliberately only do insult others, not in the heat of debate, but for the joy of it. They ought to be banned, it would be better for the site, and many has asked for it to happen."

Answer:"It would be worse for the site if P&Pdark was removed. P&P is needed as a vent-place and popular, it will stay. Don't go to P&P if you don't like it (=being insulted). Etc. "

That's a good way of putting it, the complaint has nothing to do with P&P dark, unfortunately I'm just receiving canned answers that have been posted time and time again. Same old thing, I guess people don't understand the difference or don't understand what they read...I tried..

I think it's more a question of priorities. For most of us, SP is about climbing, mountaineering, hiking, .. getting outdoors. Hanging out in p & p and talking politics is simply of no importance to the site.

The elves' time is a limited resource - they have families, jobs, and climbing trips of their own. Why should they spend their unpaid hours here playing babysitter because some idiots can't manage their own time wisely ?

If someone is upset with SP because they don't like p & p, then I would ask if perhaps said individual's time is better spent doing something more productive, like posting mountain / route pages or (shudder) actually climbing.

Before the web, we had usenet groups, and before that were .. well, I forget .. it was more than 20 years ago for me If someone posts something on the internet that you don't like, you can just ignore them. It's that simple. Complain all you want, but then again some people just enjoy complaining for its own sake

rhyang wrote:Before the web, we had usenet groups, and before that were .. well, I forget .. it was more than 20 years ago for me If someone posts something on the internet that you don't like, you can just ignore them. It's that simple.

That's a good thing to remember. USENET was nasty.

Complain all you want, but then again some people just enjoy complaining for its own sake

I've never gotten any sake for complaining, but that sounds like a good idea! I bet a lot of people would get more mellow after a few swigs.