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<font face="URW Palladio L">I've been watching this discussion for a
while from quite far away, and I agree that a mural full of proper
Noisebridge Excellence would be a excellent idea. I should not,
for context, that the Hacking Ethics mural is nearly worshipped;
everyone who wishes to be a Hacker is customarily taken to the
Ethics first and made to read them in detail, attempting to cement
True Hacking Ethics in everyone who ever hacks at all. On the
other hand, there's also some aura around the Ethics, saying that
"Hacking is illegal, but if you get caught and are following the
ethics, you'll be punished less." I'm not sure such a aura can be
easily replicated when participating at Noisebridge is not
illegal.<br>
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I would propose, as a potential solution for sleepers making the
space less habitable for those awake, something I've seen
implemented with some success: "You can nap here, but everyone
else is duty-bound to completely ignore you, and are duty-bound to
be as loud as if you were awake, and you are duty-bound not to
complain about noise because the purpose of the space is primarily
not sleeping." I don't know if this is something currently
implemented, having never attempted to sleep at nb, but I do
believe it fits 'be excellent to each other'.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04/16/2013 01:54 PM, Ken M. Haggerty
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<div>Thanks, Reverend Mik. <b><u>This is really unacceptable.</u></b></div>
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<div>I think it would do us some good to establish set of <b><u>"Hacker
ethics"</u></b> very much in line with what is at MIT:</div>
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<div>These <b><u>guidelines</u></b> could be posted in LARGE
LETTERS as a mural as you enter the space so that it is made
clear what is expected of individuals whom are given the <b><u>privilege</u></b>
to enjoy Noisebridge and the community we as a whole have
created.</div>
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<div>The idea of a <b><u>non-binding</u></b> set of <b><u>protocols</u></b>
would be to establish a normalization of behavior (a phrase I
am sure will bother more than a few people).</div>
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One of the key things I have learned thus far in life is that
<b><u>you really cannot assume anything of anyone</u></b>,
including "standards" of behavior; not because "people are
bad," but because...</div>
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<div style="">• People come from all sorts of backgrounds and
experiences, and the one experience that taught you not to
pick your nose may not have happened to someone else.</div>
<div style="">• We are a product of the environment with which
we surround ourselves.</div>
<div style="">• Everything each of us knows is a result of an
external input being interpretted by an internal process, and
we each have varying reactions to external inputs.</div>
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<div style="">Those who are generally active in these
discussions are likely not those who are treating the space
poorly, and so these email threads are <b><u>preaching to the
choir</u></b> + the few "trolls" who, to a limited extent,
do us a service by engaging debate (and then usually things
fall to pieces...).</div>
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<div style=""><u style="font-weight:bold">The challenge then is
in determining what characteristics of Noisebridge are
indeed are part of our proud character and which are merely
correlational and/or detrimental and should be changed.</u></div>
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<div style="">I may or may not be at tonight's meeting as I am
leaving for NYC tomorrow for a week.</div>
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<div style="">-Ken</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 10:42 AM,
Mitchel McAllister <span dir="ltr"><<a
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dogs in the space last night that I know of.<br>
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However, it was brought to my attention early this
morning that there have been bottles and other
containers full of urine found in hidden places in
the space. It doesn't make sense to me either.
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- Reverend Mik McAllister<br>
<hr>"You can see the summit but you can't reach it<br>
Its the last piece of the puzzle but you just
can't make it fit<br>
Doctor says you're cured but you still feel the
pain<br>
Aspirations in the clouds but your hopes go down
the drain"<br>
- Howard Jones, "No One Is To Blame"<br>
<hr>Purveyor of Subversive Fiction<br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow"
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target="_blank">http://www.lunatextpublications.com</a><br>
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Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Feces and Urine in
the shop<br>
To: "NoiseBridge Discuss" <<a
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Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2013, 10:33 AM
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<div dir="ltr">I arrived at Noisebridge about
15 minutes ago to get some work done. There
was a large pile of feces next to the table
saw and a drying puddle of urine next to the
drill press. I have cleaned up the feces and
am in the process of drying, sweeping, and
cleaning up the urine.
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<div>This is the second time within the
last week that there has been feces in
the shop, and more than the second time
that I have found urine in the space.</div>
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