hypervirtue wrote:He knows:1. The vigilante and Ollie have been seen together.

He has? Was this one of those things from season one that I have wiped from my memory.... Along with the rest of season one.

Yes, it's happened at least twice, once to get Ollie out of being initially suspected, and again when Ollie needed his mother questioned. Diggle has worn the hood those 2 times.

Exactly... So if we go on this, and we go on the knowledge that we know that the Detective knows that the Arrow uses a support network, it makes perfect sense for him to assume that Ollie has ties to the Arrow rather than actually is the Arrow.

Seriously... Lance has to know (or at least very strongly suspect) Ollie's the vigilante by now...

"Hmmm... My long-lost daughter disappeared with Oliver Queen six years ago... He popped back into town just when the vigilante first appeared... And I know his secretary is working with the vigilante... And now my daughter's back in town and she's a kick-a$$ assassin-turned-crimefighter who's working with the vigilante... And my daughter's also now dating Oliver Queen... And I just left the two of them at a party minutes ago, and my daughter shows up at a crime scene in her crimefighter identity and the vigilante is with her... And he's oddly familiar with all sorts of details about Oliver Queen's business... Oh, and he looks exactly like Oliver Queen, only with a hood and a mask and a deeper voice, but with the exact same build, mouth, jaw, facial hair... But I only spent a few years as a police detective, so I'm probably not capable of figuring this one out..."

C'mon already... Just about everyone who's not a close friend or relative of Oliver Queen already knows he's the vigilante.

On a positive note, I liked that Ollie finally confronted Laurel about her acting like a world class jerk... Although I think it's a bit sleazy of Ollie to wait until he has a new GF (Laurel's sister, no less) before cutting Laurel off... Just sayin'.

I think that was the point of that scene. Laurel finally is starting to turn around, partly due to Oliver, and partly because she's accepting her love of her sister over her long-held grief and new anger.

I like that Oliver went a little too far with what he said. His "go get wasted" was a real low blow, but it also sounded true-people say some really nasty things to people they love/used to love, and unfortunately its part of the ugliness that dealing with addiction brings up. I found that scene really good, but kind of hard to watch.

I can't help but smile when Felicity says something cringe-worthy and embarrassing (like her 'your girl' riff this ep), because she sells it so well, and I loved her silly attempt to get in on the scar-discussion, and Sara's comment, 'She's so cute.'

Even the 'NPCs' in this show are sometimes interesting. The Asian dude who was working for Tockman, who was prone to follow directions, wisely kept his mouth shut when the other dude mouthed off and got killed for it, and then, after getting taken down by a bola-arrow, still kept fighting and throwing bullets around, had a pretty good showing for a nameless minion.

Yeah, Emily Rickards can really sell those awkward moments, which are what makes her character endearing enough that I barely mind Felicity being the vehicle for the "computers are magic" thing that I find annoying in media (though a lot more excusable in a superhero setting).

And I continue to be impressed by Caity Lotz's physique. And I continue to find Green Arrow's endless hypocrisy towards his mother's lying to be amusing.

What you mean the whole "someone bad took advantage of me, it turned to shit & then I had to keep it a secret for the benefit of others" thing.... Yeah I asked Ollie "but what about how you ended up on an island for 5 years?" & he shot me through the leg with an Arrow. I took this as a subtle hint that he didn't want to talk about it.

“Anti-Intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge’.”-Isaac Asimov

What you mean the whole "someone bad took advantage of me, it turned to shit & then I had to keep it a secret for the benefit of others" thing.... Yeah I asked Ollie "but what about how you ended up on an island for 5 years?" & he shot me through the leg with an Arrow. I took this as a subtle hint that he didn't want to talk about it.

There is a Skyrim joke in this statement somewhere...I just know it!

"One must first experience pain in order to be able to appreciate it's absence."

“Anti-Intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge’.”-Isaac Asimov

drkrash wrote:My biggest gripe was that Slade's motivation in the present was kinda lame. Ollie was right: get over it. He never had Shado, Shado had already chosen Ollie, and she died a long time ago.

That's exactly what I mean.... It was just a really weak motivation. I mean if I were to extract his motivation & place it into stereotypical villain monologue this is how that would read "Mwahahahahahaha, my dear Oliver, I have come back from the dead, instigated a huge plot to destroy the remains of Starling city, after coming back form the dead, losing my eye & turning my self into an internationally wealthy captain of industry, as revenge for someone else murdering a random girl who showed me no sexual interest 5 years ago, because a guy with a gun created a no win scenario in which you could not possible have won & shot her dead."

As far as lame motivations go that is totally the lamest one I've heard recently.

“Anti-Intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge’.”-Isaac Asimov