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Here is the article regarding vaccination by Dr Zahilah Filzah, a pediatrician of Sg Buloh Hospital as promised. I hope you’ll take time to read this article. She wrote a very precise, nice article about vaccination and I really hope we can convey this message to all mommies out there. If you have any question, please write on the comment section. Dr Zahilah or me myself will try to answer your question. I know some people are very ‘hardcore’ and can be emotional about this vaccination issue. Please don’t bang each other. We are adult and all of us has our own opinion. Don’t judge others who does or doesn’t want to give their child vaccination. We as medical providers, our job is to educate the public based on our knowledge as a doctor and Muslims.

Enjoy. And think!!

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Dear BarelySupermommy readers,

I reckon that some of you may have your own stand on this matter- vaccination. While some of you may disagree, I believe majority of us still believe in vaccination as an effective preventive measure to combat certain infectious diseases. However, the last few months or so, someone may have spoken to you or you may have read on Facebook – that vaccination is not what it seemed. That it is not safe , causes autism, not ‘halal’ and that vaccines are only for profits. You googled. There were many articles on the pros but there were quite a lot on the cons as well. You read the disadvantages of vaccination and then everything seem to weigh on you. You cant help it but started to wonder if they were all true.

I believe that most misconceptions and controversies regarding vaccination stems from the fact that people underestimate the disease and overestimate the side effects. While I agree that Adverse Event Following Immunization (AEFI) do sometimes occur , most are mild (e.g fever and soreness) and disappears rather quickly. I am sure most mothers out there would agree, having had your children vaccinated before. On the contrary, I believe not many of you have seen the diseases at their worst. Measles, for example, may be fever and red spots to most but are you aware that it can spread to the brain and cause death? Pertussis, may begin with the usual fever and cough but as it progress to the second stage of the disease, babies may have prolonged cough, turn blue and stop breathing. Polio was almost eradicated but sadly, on the rise in certain third world countries where the vaccination rate is low. Meningitis, or inflammation of the brain lining caused by Haemophilus Influenza may render a child debilitated and even cause death. Whether you like it or not , the truth is vaccination has tremendously reduce the burden of infectious diseases and has prevented deaths in millions of children all around the world.

Let’s discuss a little bit about the history of vaccines and how it works before discussing the issues because I feel that we would be able to appreciate what we have today if we knew how it all began. Have you ever heard of smallpox? Some of you may have not heard of it because the disease is no longer around. But do you know that the deadly disease was one of the most devastating diseases in the history of mankind and has in fact killed more than 500 millions people for many centuries? 500 millions! But thanks to Edward Jenner, whose work contributed to the development of vaccines, smallpox was eradicated and we don’t have to live to see our loves one dying from the disease.

How does vaccines work? Simply put, imagine a child who develops chicken pox for example, they will rarely contract the disease again . Why? Because the immune system has memory, so that the next time the child is exposed to the virus, the body remembers and destroys the virus even before it causes sickness. And vaccines works the same way, only artificially. Vaccines contains weakened or killed form of the germs, when introduced into the body triggers an immune response without causing the disease. So that the next time the children are exposed to the virus or bacteria, their antibodies would be able to recognize it and combats it.

I remember 3 years ago, a child was admitted to the ward for lung infection. Upon asking the immunisation history, we found out that the child was not vaccinated. In fact, none of his siblings were. I started to counsel the parents but I was quickly dismissed. They felt strongly against vaccination and did not want to discuss any further. Kata mereka ‘ anak anak yang lain semua okay je, tak pernah sakit pun walaupun tak divaksin’. I wanted to tell them about ‘herd immunity’ but then dropped the idea.

What is ‘herd immunity’? In other words, it’s called ‘community’ immunity. It occurs when majority of the population is vaccinated, and the immunity that is achieved by the community would be able to protect those who could not be vaccinated (due to medical reason , HIV, immunosuppresed children). I think that this has not been sufficiently emphasized- that when you get your child vaccinated , you not only protect your child from the infectious diseases but also other kids who are unfortunate enough to have low immunity to be vaccinated. I cant emphasize enough that you are doing a good deed if you get your child vaccinated. But when the rate of vaccination falls, the herd immunity is lost, and I guess you can figure out what comes next.

Having understood the basics, let’s move on to one of the most common misconception about vaccination, in particularly with the MMR vaccines. Does it cause autism? The answer is no, it does not. The scare started in 1998, when a medical journal, The Lancet published a study by Mr. Andrew Wakefield, MD (previously hold the title Dr) that stated that the combined MMR vaccine was linked to autism. However, not long after that, The Lancet itself withdrew the article and Wakefield lost his medical licence. Investigations proved that Wakefield’s research was fraud, unfounded and biased and that there were conflict of interest. His article has led to a drop in vaccination in UK and since then, many studies were done to look into whether there were any association between the MMR and autism, but none were found. Despite that, it’s sad to know that even after 2 decades, some people still believe that it does. Sigh…

The other concern is regarding the use of Thiomersal in the vaccines. Thiomersal is a mercury-based preservative that helps prevent bacterial growth in vaccines and helps maintain the effectiveness of the vaccines. Thiomersal contains ethylmercury, which basically means that it is eliminated from the body quickly and does not reach toxic level in the blood, unlike methymercury. The level of Thiomersal in the vaccines are so small , even fish contains more of it I believe. The amount of Thiomersal in the vaccine have not been shown to cause harm or health risk.

Vaccines are not ‘halal’? Hmmm… I must say that it is unfair to say that those who decided to vaccinate their children do not care of halal and haram. The Malaysian Immunization Programme is decreed permissible by JAKIM. In fact, our prominent Islamic Scholar , Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi stated that the lawfulness of vaccination in Islamic perspective is as clear as sunlight. It is the duty of every Muslim to ward off harm as much as possible, and while we all believe in natural ways to boost immunity e.g breastfeeding , taking honey ( not for those less than 1 year), Habatussauda’, olive oil, that does not mean that we Muslims should deny ourselves of modern medicine that has stood the test of time. I have always believe in complementary medicine.

I am not sure if I have covered all of your concerns but I hope this helps. You may or may not be convinced and that’s okay , as I believe conviction needs to come from one self. If you are doubtful, read further from reliable source, discuss with people who really knows and perform Istikharah. If you strongly object vaccination, my only request is that you do not pose your views on others. I am writing this merely for those who has concern and doubts, yet has not dismissed vaccination.

I strongly feel that we need to have these issues tackled at national level and it is the responsibility of the Ministry of Health to allay parental concerns regarding vaccination. The community needs to be educated and myths and misconceptions regarding vaccination should not be allowed to spread, or we would to have to suffer the consequences in the future.

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I know the article is a bit long to read especially during fasting month ;) Anyway, personally I think that was a nicely written article, very easy to understand for all mommies out there.. Hope this article answers your questions. Please write on the comment section… Thank you!!

Thank you Dr Halina & Dr Zahilah Filzah.. I’ve had my doubts and worries cause some people are so vocal in expressing their disapproval of vaccination and it makes me feel bad and worried about my son.. After reading this, I’m convince.. Insya Allah I’m making the right decision for my son.. Thank you again!

Reblogged this on the life of mummy mania….. and commented:
for my thought this is really hot issues now…
so think wisely beforr making any decision..hope this info will convince mommys out there…check it out

Salam Dr. Halina n Dr. Zahilah. Thanks for the useful article. My husband and I were confident in vaccines for children. We have 3 children and all of them were vaccinated since they were babies. Alhamdulillah, we never failed to get them vaccinated and never missed the appointment or delayed their recommended vaccination schedule. Anak yg sulung dah berumur 13 thn sekarang and I still keep their Baby Books till now ! I believe research from around the world shows that immunisation is the safest way to protect our child’s health. :)

Thank you for this doctors. As much as I am a pro vaccine mommy (compulsory & optional semua I bedal), I was very much curious on why on earth are they against it. At what point they become haram? Can somebody please enlighten me?

dear pu3natul.. i was in the same shoes as yours before. always wondering why some are against vaccines. my son’s paed said they were listening too much of the myths and misconceptions and some others are the ‘arqam’-type of people. one day i got lucky to come across a few parents who doesnt want vaccines. after spending some time with them, i begin to understand a few things. firstly, while some doctors always highlight the worst case of measles, tb etc, we as parents were never told about possible side effects that are quite extreme in some kids. imagine bringing ur kid for the usual jab and when they get home they start to scream for 3 hours and no one can console ur kid. as a parent, it is horrific! secondly, some rejects vaccines because they doubt the vaccine ingredients’ halal status. they stick to the Qur’anic verse that if u are doubtful about something (syubhah) then it is better for you to leave it. well, some vaccines like rotavirus are decreed as non-halal by jakim. you can search for it in the e-fatwa website. third, some parents choose to live naturally. let the body build its own immunity towards diseases by living healthily, ensure good sanitation and hygiene, eating real food instead of processed food, and resort to complementary medicine.

after searching myself, i believe that every parent has their own strong reasons for whatever they choose for the kids. and whether you vaccinate your child or not, every parents should educate themselves about the diseases and learn to recognize it and control it. parents should also be aware of the “garis panduan farmakovigilans” that were published by the MoH itself to know what adverse effects that might occur and how to report it if it occurs. You can google for it.

while some kids die from the diseases that should have been prevented by vaccines, some babies actually die from the vaccines itself. so we as parents should know the risks we are taking from either decision. after all, if the kids suffer from complications arising from vaccines or not vaccinating, the parents are the one who will be facing it. not anyone else. so make an informed decision :)

I love your comment. when reading about this issue, seems like one party Is trying to Condemn The Other party And Missed On Addressing The Real Issue. Medical People Should Validate Concerns Of Parents Who Are Against Vaccination and Not Merely Condemn Their Decisions Just Because They Think They Know Better Than Those Parents. I Do Believe In Education n to Have Gone Through Vaccination Procedure, Very Few Parents Were Educated About Vaccines And Very Few Were Informed About The vaccination Their Taking Esp For their Children. It is Also Sad To See doctors/nurses Does Not Bother To educate Parents About Vaccines That They Were Told To Take For Their Child or Deny Parents Right To Know About The Vaccines they Are Taking Especially Regarding The Adverse Effects N How To Deal With It If It Arise. When Those Parents Resort To Not Taking The Vaccines After Acquiring Knowledge From The Sources They Know, They Were Simply Blamed By The Medical People For Being Stubborn N Stupid Etc. Even Some Of them That I Know that Were Against Vaccinations Are Among The doctor Itself. I Am Not Against Vaccines. I Know Doctors N Nurses Already Have A Lot In Their Plate but I Believed That educating the Public Regarding Issue Like This Is One Of Their Social Responsibility Because They Are Learned. All In All I Believed That Parents should make An Informed Desicions N Try To Seek Reliable Sources. I Also Hope That Medical People Will Be More Assessible To The public especially When Informations Are Just A Tap Away From Them.

Hurm..Here is my opinion. I hope it can benefit others. Pneumococcal vaccine is used for protection against Pneumococci or Staphylococcus Pneumoniae (full name) which is bacteria in origin. This organism can caused bacterial pneumonia but we have to bear in mind that not only this solely organism can cause pneumonia. Other organisms like Listeria monocytogenes, or gram-negative rods (eg, Escherichia coli, Klebsiella pneumoniae) are other common causes of bacterial pneumonia. The most commonly isolated virus-respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) can cause viral pneumonia. And believes me, these organisms scattered and lingered around us like 24/7.

However, we can to take other measure in preventing pneumonia and it starts with us and our family. Simple hand washing and using clean handkerchief after sneezing, applying mask for other sick child may help in preventing pneumonia as we all know, it spreads speedily and easily. Healthy foods like vegetables and fruits help in boosting their metabolism. Food recommended by our beloved prophet s.a.w like raisins, tamar and milk can also be given. What happened to lots of parents nowadays, they often oversee they own faultiness. They feed their children with fast foods and obey to their child interest when they resent their veges and fruits. (points for other mommies too..)

I agree, lots of parents are in doubt regarding this vaccination thingy. Of course they have to weigh the pros and cons. So I respect every decision they made. Besides, this vaccine only optional so yeah, mommies have the right to choose.

And one more thing….the doctor mentioned about viral strains?? As I mentioned before this, pneumococci are bacteria…and they present in our community, just we cannot see them because they are minute in size.

nicely written, doc! i feel so much confident now to vaccinate my baby..and i do agree that if other parents still do not want to vaccinate their children, it is unfair to force other ppl to do the same..it is ur own choice..every parents want the best for their child

dear docs, just want to ask a question about prevenar vaccines n rotataq.. is it halal? my first child already took all the vaccines but my second child didn’t finish the vaccines.. it is because I’ve read an article that have porcine (non-halal) in it.. is it true? coz i really want my second child to complete the vaccines.. the immunity was so strong n i can compare it between my first n second child.. please advise me..

agreed. my daughter, got fever almost every month after her 6mo jab. And we decided to continue homeopathy and another natural remedies instead of vaccine. Alhamdulillah, she is now very healthy than before. No fever since last 5 months. Got flu and cough, but we refuse to give her medicine. We choose another alternative. Alhamdulillah.

With due respect for those yang tak mahu vaccine baby mereka. Pada saya group FB itu kebanyakkan agak keliru dengan beberapa fakta. Can further check their credibility in term of knowledge on this vaccine issue in this link:

I rather rely on expert rather than the group that Pn Tnor mentioned. They even can’t calculate how many formaldehyde in vaccine and even can’t define the purpose of MALT and GALT in digest system.

We should know all the info from internet is not really reliable nowadays, unless you have discipline on that area.i.e historian search for history topic,islamic sholar search for islamic study…..because they have a tool(dicipline) to sceen all the information and data.

doktor2 ni bukan robot…they are human being just like us, they also have their own families and children….they know the benefits of vaccines, that’s why they support is and also GAVE IT TO THEIR CHILDREN, not only because of their job.

Salam Dr Halina & Dr Zahilah Filzah,
Thank you for sharing the knowledge with us. Easy to understand.
I vaccinated my first daughter at govt clinic. As usual, every time check-up there was a long queue, but I know that is a common situation at govt clinic. My friend recommend me to go to Private Clinic, but my doubt is, whether is the vaccination at private clinic (our panel clinic is India clinic) is same with the one that is given at Govt clinic?
Second thing, I just deliver baby last March, he is 3 months old ++ & I refuse to vaccinate him since I read many articles about this before delivery. After reading this, I think I will discuss again with my hubby. My concern is, whether is it too late to go to clinic to take the 1st month of vaccine after BCG? Or.. we just proceed with the next vaccine?
Thanks in advance. :)
Salam Ramadhan.

ma hubby told me(he studied biomedic) d reason why most vaccine are coming from swine because their body is d most equal with human in terms of body composition,we cant extract the vaccine from human rite,plus they are mammal too ;)

Salam,
It is really a good article and worth to read. Asking your permission to share this on my wall.
Anyhow, to mommies that read and share this article ‘berlapang dada’ lah when you read and discuss this in a very good manner. Do not bash anyone that contradict with your opinion. :-)
Happy Ramadhan.

doctor,
what type / name of additional vaccine that you give to your children? and I support the idea of ​​necessary vaccines for our children as now too many infectious diseases. whether the same injection given to our children in government and private clinics? X

I’m not a mommy but I still a student :) btw, this article really really open my eyes about vaccination. so, there’s nothing to worry anymore about this issue.
thanks Dr Zahilah Filzah and Dr Halina :D

Tq Doc Halina and Doc Za for this entry….please after this make entry regarding pnuemococcal, coz i pun baru alert regarding this isu after read this story ( http://whitevincci.blogspot.com/2013/05/perginya-seorang-permata-hati-indah.html ) , kalau saya ingin mengambil this vaccine for my kids, it is possible coz his age already 5 year (coz i takut ade limit umur utk ambil this vaccine) … i already search the artikel regarding this vaccine but sad coz almost all article did not mentioned the age for taking this vaccine.

salam ramadhan doc n family ;)
i just want to know, is there any chance or risk that the vaccines can cause/develop any kind of allergies to the child? (either the healthy one or the one diagnosed with any health condition)
could you please elaborate some more on the side effects and how the parents can deal with them?
thanks doc. may we all have a blessed ramadhan this year :)

Assalamualaikum and happy Ramadan. Tq for the information about the vaccine you shared. I just want to know a little bit more about the vaccine given to the form 1 girls students for preventing from cervix cancer. Last year one of my student refuse to take the vaccine given. When i asked her, she told me that her father didn’t allow her to take the vaccine because the vaccine been rejected from the G8 countries. Her father is a medical doctor. I’m a little bit worry because my daughter is going to take it next year. Could you please explain a little bit about the vaccine Dr. Tq and wassalam.

I’ve seen this ads about the vaccine provided to teenage girls for preventing cervix cancer (overseas), but I never knew that its being offered in Malaysia. It was given to the girls here as they were exposed and usually committed into sex act at their early teenager, so to prevent the disease they ask the girls to take the jab as cervical cancer can also be caused by regular exchange of partners and active sex.

A friend of mine, is pregnant currently and will be expecting in 6 months pernah discuss benda ni dgn I. she asked my opinion on vaccination as I already have 2 kids. I’m ok with vaccination but dia ada ckp there are some pages/groups yg against vaccination sebab some of the members of the group yg anak diorg dibagi vaccine and ada yg sampai tak boleh jalan la. sampai terencat la so I’m very curious too. betul ke memudaratkan sampai macam tu? anak-anak saya ok je.

Salam docs,
Just to ask..i vacvinated myZahra since lahir then at around 3 months after her jab she suddenly develops a very bad cradle cap and it even sampai belakang telinga..its flacky n berair..am so sure gatal jugak cz zahra akan gosok2 kepala die bile baringkan kt bantal.. her pead simply dismiss it as mild eczema (no family history of eczema or asthma – just my dad have COPD) and he prescribe her a medicated syampoo…then after her mmr her skin plak..tk la teruk sampai gatal tp jadi mcm
kulit ayam tu..berbintik2…
Thats y i stop…my question…isn it then related to the jab that she took??

Vaccination causes collateral damage to your intestinal gut flora. It causes an overgrowth of candida or yeast. Try and find out what is in the vaccines and what causes overgrowth of yeast. Are there antibiotics, preservatives? These are the causes of overgrowth of candida. Very bad cradle cap is a sign of that. Before you know it the overgrowth of yeast causes your child’s body to constantly produce IgE antibodies. Before you know it, the child will develop an allergy to something…maybe dustmite on her mattress when she has already been sleeping on it for say a year and it was fine. Overgrowth of yeast will also cause Leaky Gut Syndrome. Because the roots dig deep into the intestines causing small “leaks” – a proper gut will help to rid of toxins, pathogens but when you have leaky gut, it goes into your blood. 70% mereka yang mempunyai eczema mempunyai candida albicans overgrowth di dalam sistem gastrousus (gastrointestinal tract) and a family history of inflammation makes it a good recipe to make your child’s immune system goes into hyperdrive and haywire.

Thank you so much dr. very informative and easy to understand. I really hope that doctor or paed’s association can bring this matter to the Ministry of health. I dont want our ‘herd immunity’ to be lost.

Thank you for the info. Very informative. I do however, have a question if you are able to get to answering this. My son is 2y/o and we gave him all the neccessary injections (excluding extras), and I do find that many of the immunisations are given a bit too close to each other. I wonder how the children’s immune system/ body can take this and whether there are side effects to this. As babies, they would enter this world and their immune system will be automatically bombarded with allergens and would be quite stressed out. Looking at the immunisations that the kids have to take the first 1 year is crazy though. Some of the immunisation is 3 in 1 – and some immunisation comes 1-2 months after the other. I cannot imagine putting a healthy adult through this, not to mention kids.

I believe immunisation is important, but we did not follow the standard schedule and tried to drag out the immunisation as long as we can- so that his system can recover before the next immunisation. But I am sure many parents out there will give the doses as recommended by doctors.

Thank you Dr Harlina for this. I just realised I did not take any Rubella immunisation when i was in school because of this questions of its halalness on my parents side (i was in private school). But before I got married 5 years ago I did a test on Rubella and found that I was immune after all. That might be the herd immunity at work. Thanks everyone for immunising me haha!

Tq very much.very informative and helpful especially for the parents who are in some cases act or decide against what’s right in order to care and provide the best for our children. insyaAllah…we decide to the best of our knowledge and Allah will care for the rest.ameen

Assalam dr. I found the article really interesting and would like to suggest if you could list down all the necessary vaccines that should be taken by our children.. what is offered by the government and what should be taken from the private healthcare provider. Thank you in advance.

Thanx doc. Btw, honestly,I dont trust in any vaccine and i wont jab my 3rd baby because my 2nd still got pertussis even after 2 doses of DTP. So, why i have to jab the baby, if the possibility to get the disease is still there? I do take habbatussauda n VCO in order to boost the immune system now, then i breastfeed the baby. Alhamdulillah. My 3rd recovered from the fever faster than the 2nd without PCM. As for me, natural way is better for the baby.

yes..very true indeed.. not just in the scope of vaccination, it applies to all…we cannot compare this era with that era and we cannot generalize the benefit of “makanan sunnah” in all aspect of disease….this is as per told by yusuf al qardawi…..and why not combining the sunnah food with modern medicine.. please dont say that modern medicine is not from islamic scholars..if it is not from islamic scholars itself from whom they came?? who gave the “ilham” to the non-muslim..think :) yes all the cure are from ALLAH and we have to find it..and somehow we have to reflect on ourselves..maybe these diseases occur because of our past sins…after all it is everyone choice aslmkm :)

There is always two sides of a coin. Here is the other side. Educate before you vaccinate mommies

LEADING PEDIATRICIAN AND VACCINE EXPERT ON VACCINES (AND WHY THEY POSE A DANGER TO YOUR CHILD)

Dr. Palevsky says:

“When I went through medical school, I was taught that vaccines were completely safe and completely effective, and I had no reason to believe otherwise. All the information that I was taught was pretty standard in all the medical schools and the teachings and scientific literature throughout the country. I had no reason to disbelieve it.

Over the years, I kept practicing medicine and using vaccines and thinking that my approach to vaccines was completely on board with everything else I was taught.

But more and more, I kept seeing that my experience of the world, my experience in using and reading about vaccines, and hearing what parents were saying about vaccines were very different from what I was taught in medical school and my residency training.

… and it became clearer to me as I read the research, listened to more and more parents, and found other practitioners who also shared the same concern that vaccines had not been completely proven safe or even completely effective, based on the literature that we have today.

… It didn’t appear that the scientific studies that we were given were actually appropriately designed to prove and test the safety and efficacy.

It also came to my attention that there were ingredients in there that were not properly tested, that the comparison groups were not appropriately set up, and that conclusions made about vaccine safety and efficacy just did not fit the scientific standards that I was trained to uphold in my medical school training.”

Were Vaccines Really the ‘Savior’ Against Past Diseases?

Conventional medicine teaches that the polio and the smallpox epidemics went away because of the vaccines, and that most of the diseases that we faced in the 20th century in the United States were brought down because of the power, strength and the implementation of the vaccine policy.

Meanwhile, there are a significant number of studies in the medical literature that actually show there were many other reasons that these infectious diseases went away.

For example, one article published in 2000 in the Pediatrics Journal describes how, before the World War II, the majority of the infectious diseases the US was faced with – such as diphtheria, tetanus, polio, pertussis, measles, influenza, parapertussis, tuberculosis and scarlet fever – were all reduced before World War II and BEFORE there were antibiotics and vaccinations available to treat or to vaccinate against these diseases.

The reasons for the reductions in incidence rates and mortality of these diseases were predominantly due to the implementation of public health strategies, including:

So, why is there such a vast difference among intelligent, scientifically oriented, committed and objective scientists and physicians about the safety and efficacy of vaccines?

Dr. Palevsky says:

“I think that if you ask most of my colleagues where they get their information, they will say that they read it from the American Academy of Pediatrics, from the AMA, from the CDC, and in their journals.

But I would like to challenge most of my colleagues to look through the studies themselves to actually see if the proper scientific studies were done using a proper study group and a proper control group.

Were the ingredients in vaccines properly studied?

Is there a difference between being exposed to a virus, bacteria, heavy metal or toxin through the air, food, your intestines and your skin, versus when it’s injected into your body?

Have we really looked at what happens to vaccine materials once injected into a child? Is an antibody sufficient to provide protection for a child against disease?

More and more studies are coming out to show that:

* The proper studies haven’t been done
* Antibodies are not the final way in which your body is protected
* There is a difference between how children process material through air and food versus through injection
* There are particles in vaccines that do accumulate in your body and cause impairments in your immune system
* There are particles in the vaccines that get into your brain, and
* There are foreign DNA particles that get into your body

For many health professionals it is a shock to discover that there is such a lack of information on the safety and efficacy, and a mounting degree of information that actually raises suspicions about the safety and effectiveness of vaccines, and whether or not they have been properly studied.”

How a Conventionally Trained Physician Accepts that Vaccines Can Cause Harm

Says Palevsky,

“It is heartbreaking, because I see many of these kids who were developmentally normal, who were doing well, who were speaking, then whose voices and eye contacts were lost, who went into seizures, who developed asthma and allergies, and they had nowhere to go because they’re doctors told them that they don’t know what they’re talking about. These kids are real.

The literature is showing that there are changes in the immune system of children who are vaccinated, especially if we vaccinate them before one year of age or even at one day of age.

The literature is there. It’s good scientific literature, and it shows that more and more of these kids who are suffering from chronic illness are suffering from impairments of their immune system.

Whether vaccines are causative or contributory, the literature is showing that there is a role that vaccines are playing in creating the groundwork for these children’s immune systems to start to show signs of impairment and destruction.

… When I look at the studies that the American Academy of Pediatrics and the CDC put out, saying that there’s no correlation between vaccination and autism or vaccinations and asthma, I have to say that the studies just don’t hold up to the scientific standards.

You can’t have 25 children in a study and then report that this proves that no children who get autism have any correlation to being injured by vaccines. This is what the media does: they take these conclusions, put it right out in front of the newspapers and say, “Vaccines don’t cause autism.”

When you really look at the studies – and there’s not a proper control group and there’s only 25 people – you can’t make a grand, generalized statement about a general population because you’ve studied 25 children.”

The NVIC Set to Create Groundbreaking Vaccine Safety Research

The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) just raised $100,000 and continues to look for donations and sponsors to allow proper safety studies to be done by independent researchers, who aren’t going to influence the outcomes.

One study that looked at the health outcomes of vaccinated versus unvaccinated children does exist.

Published in the Journal of Allergy and Clinical Immunology in April 2005, that looked at the health outcomes of children who are fully vaccinated, who are partially vaccinated, and who are not vaccinated at all.

All the investigators asked the parents to do was to report atopic illness. Atopic illness means allergies, asthma, eczema, hay fever. The investigators were blinded, meaning they didn’t know which category the participants belonged to.

When they assessed the data, they found that the largest number of reports by parents of children with atopic illness were in the kids who were fully vaccinated. The second highest reports were in the families who are partially vaccinated. And the lowest number of reports was in the children who were unvaccinated…

The investigators performed a statistical analysis to see if the data was based on chance or on real statistical differences, and found there were statistically significant differences between these groups. They couldn’t understand how this was possible, because the generally accepted consensus is that vaccines are completely safe, and completely effective.

Based on this initial finding, we clearly need to do follow-up studies to ask the same question over and over again; repeat this kind of investigation with different populations across different parts of the country, to unearth the truth!

Dr. Palevsky says:

“Certainly, the issue has been raised about the special interests, the money that’s tied, the policies, how much money the vaccine manufacturers stand to make, the doctors who make decisions on vaccines, and how much money they stand to make. But we need the science and not this conspiracy theory…

If we just stay with the science, and really start to address the need for the science, and look at the fact that there is a lack of science, we will definitely see that more needs to be done.

We have not done due diligence.”

Are Some Vaccines Safer Than Others?

Many may be surprised by Dr. Palevsky’s answer:

“… in my research of the vaccines, and of the basic microbiology and virology that we’re trained to know in our medical training, I cannot understand how a vaccine with a virus can be safe.”

What most people don’t know is that a virus is not “alive,” per se.

It is simply a piece or strand of either RNA or DNA. And even of itself, a virus can’t “do” anything.

In addition it is so tiny that it can only be seen under an electron microscope. It is much smaller than bacteria, which can only be seen in the regular microscope. So viruses cannot be isolated when you make a viral vaccine. All that can be isolated is the tissue, whether it’s human tissue or animal tissue that is believed to have been infected by that specific virus that you’re trying to isolate.

So when a viral culture or a set of cultures are made including the specific virus, you’re going to have the DNA of people or animals who were already infected. Those cells are then taken and grown on animal cells, whether it’s monkey kidney cells or chicken embryo cells.

When mixed together, these cells will splice and recombine, which means that DNA from animal cells are going to mix with DNA from the known infected cells with the virus.

So by definition, a viral vaccine contains foreign animal and, even possibly, foreign human DNA. That’s why if you have an egg allergy, you shouldn’t get certain vaccines because it is known that there’s going to be egg protein in the vaccine.

So the question is, how safe is it to inject viral material that is embedded into the DNA of foreign DNA cells?

What studies have been done to actually test whether foreign DNA is getting into your body; whether it stays in your DNA; whether it gets into your brain; and whether there are foreign animal viruses that are inherently present in animal DNA to begin with?

Pushing for Informed Consent

So, does that mean you should never vaccinate against anything?

Dr. Palevsky says:

“That’s something that needs to be left up to the individual parent. I am truly a proponent of informed consent, and I’m truly supportive of families who have done their homework and who have been able to make the choice.

What is the possible risk of the illness? What is the possible health outcome if your child gets one of those illnesses?

And how much do you know about those risks versus how much do you know about the risks of the vaccines and the health outcomes of what may happen when children are vaccinated against single, or even multiple, vaccines?

And when parents are given both sides, it is up to them to make that informed choice.

It is no longer my role to tell them that they must do this vaccine but not that vaccine, because each parent has to make an informed choice based on their understanding of how diseases occur or don’t occur, what science we have available, and whether they feel comfortable with the devil that they know (the science and the outcomes of disease) versus the devil that they don’t know (science and the outcomes of the vaccine).”

What about the Swine Flu Vaccine?

He says:

“Now if you read the packaging first of the swine flu vaccine, it specifically states that the swine flu or the H1N1 flu vaccine was manufactured in the same manufacturing process as the flu vaccine. Therefore since we believe that the flu vaccine has been sufficiently tested to be safe, we can then conclude that the H1N1 vaccine is safe.

But the public should know that even though our authorities are standing there and saying that the H1N1 vaccine is safe, the proper studies have not been done.

… And it’s unfair to say to parents or to the public that if you come down with a flu-like illness, it must be H1N1. In studies that have been done, people who did get the flu had their noses swabbed, and they were found to have H1N1.

What’s missing in these data is a population of healthy people who have not had any flu symptoms – to actually see if their noses contained H1N1 – because if someone is sick and has the presence of an H1N1 virus in the nose, it doesn’t mean that the H1N1 is causing the illness.

You really have to take an appropriate control group to see if people are colonized with that virus even when they’re not sick.

So we don’t have that data; we really don’t know. I don’t think we can say with good scientific certainty that people who are getting sick from the flu and who are being diagnosed with H1N1 are actually having H1N1 as the cause.”

Many insist that vaccinated individuals “protect” the unvaccinated against the flu virus – in essence, reaping the benefit of the protection they refuse for themselves, while at the same time putting others in danger.

But how does that make sense?

Says Dr. Palevsky:

“How does vaccinating against the flu virus stop you from carrying the flu virus in your nasal passages?”

And yet, this is what many believe.

The Concept of Herd Immunity and the Myth that Unvaccinated Children put Others at Risk

One of the primary arguments that is being used to justify this insane behavior is “herd immunity.”

The fact is that vaccination does NOT stop you from carrying bacteria or viruses in your nose, in your throat, in your intestines, in your airway, on your skin, or in your body.

But many do not understand the significance of this fact, and have been made to believe that if you’re vaccinated, you won’t carry viruses, and therefore, others will be protected because you’re vaccinated.

As it turns out, this belief is NOT based on scientific fact.

Dr. Palevsky explains:

“This whole concept of herd immunity is very interesting, because we were taught that herd immunity occurs because a certain percentage of a population gets an active illness. Therefore by a certain percentage of getting the active illness, they impart a protection onto the remaining part of the population that has not gotten the illness yet.

And so the herd that is getting the illness is shedding the illness and protecting those who have not gotten it.

In vaccine science, we are extrapolating or concluding that if we vaccinate a certain percentage of people, we are imparting protection on those who have not been vaccinated. And that has NOT been shown to be true, because the true herd immunity in theory is based on an ACTIVE DISEASE, and we know that despite what we’re taught, vaccination does not mimic the natural disease.

So we cannot use the same model of herd immunity in a natural disease in the vaccination policy. But unfortunately, we do use it even though it cannot be used because it doesn’t have scientific backing.

What’s most interesting to me is that the entire concept of herd immunity fails to acknowledge that there is a life cycle of the viruses and the bacteria all on their own, and that what turns them on and off may have nothing to do with the percentage of people who have been infected.

All you have to do is look at the SARS outbreak. That virus that we were supposed to fear didn’t infect 70 or 80 percent of the population, which would then impart herd immunity on the 20 or 30 percent that didn’t get the disease.

This is because the virus itself had a life cycle of its own. And so it came and went without any percentage of the population being protected. There wasn’t herd immunity, and yet the virus died out on its own.

We fail to include that viruses have a life cycle, and that they are in relationship to other organisms and to us. Something activates them and something actually stops them, and it has nothing necessarily to do with the percentage of people who would have the illness or who have been vaccinated.

… It is preposterous to think that a child who is vaccinated no longer carries the bacteria or the viruses that they have been vaccinated against. If, in fact, children are vaccinated, then why are parents and public health authorities afraid that non-vaccinated children are somehow carrying something that their children are not, when they should feel comfortable that their children are vaccinated?

You can’t have it both ways.

You can’t vaccinate believing that your children are protected and then feel that your children are not protected because somehow, some non-vaccinated child is carrying some secret organism that no one else is carrying.

It just doesn’t make any sense.”

The Difference between Natural Immunity and Vaccine-lnduced Immunity

It’s important to understand that the natural illness has greater influence on the health of your body. Says Dr. Palevsky:

“In medical school, the mentors that I had saw children in their practices in the 40s, 50s and all the way up to the 80s getting these flu-like illnesses who were properly treated with rest, fluids and proper supplementation.

Those kids had developmental growth spurts after the illnesses were over.

There is something to say for these viral illnesses that impart a certain boosting of the immune system of your children. And if we’re not letting them have these illnesses, what are we doing to their immune systems? Aren’t we actually hampering their overall health?”

You need to understand that there’s a significant difference between natural immunity and vaccination immunity.

When children are born, they develop natural immunity to hundreds, thousands, millions, and even trillions of microorganisms that they breathe in, eat, and touch through their skin. Their immune systems at the lining of their airways, at the lining of their intestines, and on their skin are actively protecting their body from the outside world.

Those immune systems that are intricately and specifically located in the linings are very important to create memory and protection to the organisms that they continue to breathe, eat, and touch.

That immune system response then has a domino effect on creating other memory and immune responses that give your body antibodies and protection.

That’s a very important step for how the immune system matures in our children. From the linings, the immune system receives information, sends out signals to all other parts of the immune system, and creates an immune response, memory, and antibodies.

On the other hand, when you inject materials into your body, you are bypassing that crucial first step called the primary line of defense.

With vaccination you are just creating an antibody. That does NOT impart long-term immunity because it does not create the kind of memory that occurs when you breathe it in, eat it, or are exposed through the skin, and then go through the course of the natural disease.

Some people will argue that this is why we have nasal spray vaccines.

However, again, you’re making the assumption that you have not already been exposed to the virus at some point, and you’re also making the assumption that exposure automatically leads to infection.

Exposure does not necessarily lead to infection. A lot of it has to do with the overall status of your immune system.

The Dangers of Combining Vaccines

One issue that is frequently ignored is the potential harm from the synergy of combinations of vaccines, which have never been studied.

No one knows whether there’s interaction between the bacteria and the viruses in the vaccines administered as part of the childhood vaccination schedule, or if there is interaction in the trace thimerosal (which is still in some of the multi-vials of certain vaccines), or the large amount of aluminum that is in many of them.

Dr. Palevsky says:

“There is a scientist named Boyd Haley, who has actually looked into some of the vaccine ingredients and (1) what happens to nerve cells when you inject them in the lab to specific vaccine ingredients, and (2) what happens to the nerve cells when you keep adding another vaccine ingredient.

He specifically showed that in the presence of thimerosal, there’s a lot of damage to nerve cells. When you add aluminum to the thimerosal, you need less thimerosal to create the damage to the immune and nerve cells in the presence of aluminum.

Then when you add neomycin – an antibiotic in some of the vaccines – it potentiates the potency of nerve cell damage with aluminum and mercury together.

And when you culture the nerve cells and testosterone, versus estrogen, and you expose them to some of the vaccine ingredients like thimerosal, you actually see that the nerve cells that are exposed to testosterone are more damaged in greater amounts than the nerve cells that are bathed in estrogen.

That raises some concern because we do see that children with neurodevelopmental disorders are 4:1, boys to girls.

So you have to question whether testosterone actually makes children more vulnerable to exposure to toxins like mercury, aluminum or their combination?

None of these studies have been done in humans. People say, “We can’t do those studies.” And I say, “Why not?” They say, “It’s unethical.”

I say, “Well, if it’s unethical to do those studies on vaccine ingredients and combining them together, then it’s unethical to give the vaccines in general.”

So we’re missing a lot of important data that we won’t believe, and we’re also missing a lot of important data that we won’t accumulate because most of the studies that are done are by the manufacturers of the vaccines themselves.”

Ummu mujahed-
Before you quote Dr. Palevsky as leading peadiatrician, you need to know what is his credentials and conflicting interest. He is a holistic peadiatrician with and his field involves usage of homeopathy, chiropractic not conventional medicine. If my kids end up with life threathening case of infectious disease – i am not going to seek him despite him being a leading peadiatrician.

I quote another leading peadiatrician.
Dr. R. “Mort” Wasserman, an attending pediatrician at Vermont Children’s Hospital at Fletcher Allen Health Care and a professor of pediatrics at the University of Vermont College of Medicine.
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I am a UVM College of Medicine faculty general pediatrician, over age 60, with a degree in public health. Although I am primarily a researcher now, in my years of active practice I cared for many children whose parents were reluctant or refused to immunize them and am sensitive to parents’ concerns about immunizations. I regularly engaged those parents in discussions on the issue and some changed their minds. I appreciate the chance to change others’ minds.

Knowledge can be gained from personal experience and/or from examining the data. As far as experience goes, my vaccine-related experiences began with a kindergarten classmate dying of polio. Two other ex-schoolmates suffered lifelong disability from that disease. Also in the experience department, I have provided care to children who died of pertussis (whooping cough) and bacterial meningitis and to others who survived meningitis but have severe lifelong disabilities. Pertussis, bacterial meningitis, and many other vaccine-preventable diseases are much less frequent or quite rare because of vaccines.

Most Vermont parents who are concerned about vaccines lack personal experience with these diseases. They have not stayed up, night after night, with a child coughing from pertussis or sat next to the hospital bed of a child with bacterial pneumonia. They take the absence of vaccine-preventable disease for granted. A few are also angry about the greedy pharmaceutical companies. They value personal choice. I also am no fan of the pharmaceutical companies and I also value personal choice.

I have provided care to children who died of pertussis (whooping cough) and bacterial meningitis and to others who survived meningitis but have severe lifelong disabilities. Pertussis, bacterial meningitis, and many other vaccine-preventable diseases are much less frequent or quite rare because of vaccines.
However, I also have a public health perspective driven not only by personal experience, but by data. The laws about vaccines are directed at protecting the public’s health, and the data are quite clear. Children get very sick from, hospitalized because of, and (sadly) occasionally die from vaccine-preventable diseases. The impressions of every Vermont pediatrician over the age of 50 who has seen multiple child deaths and permanently disabilities resulting from these diseases are supported by substantial research. As to vaccine complications, the data also are very clear. Children very rarely get sick from, hospitalized because of, or die because they received a vaccine. The supposed autism-measles vaccine connection has now been thoroughly discredited by multiple groups.

Are vaccines completely effective? No. Is vaccine policy based only partly on science, and partly on convenience of administration? Yes. But do vaccines drive up Vermont health care costs? Absolutely not – every cost-benefit analysis shows substantial cost savings. Do Vermont doctors profit mightily from administering vaccines? No. They typically obtain vaccines from the Vermont Department of Health and charge only a modest administration fee.

This public policy debate is about the protection of our children. When parents don’t immunize their children, they place other people’s children at risk, including: (1) children too young to be immunized against some of the diseases in question (generally infants younger than 6 months of age); (2) those whose immunization series has begun but who have had too few doses to establish immunity or who have not had the needed booster doses; (3) those who have been completely immunized but for whom the immunization series does not afford complete protection (varies from vaccine to vaccine, but approximately 10 percent for most vaccines); and, of course (4) those whose parents have chosen not to have them immunized. That risk persists because insufficient immunization levels in the general population fail to confer the “herd immunity” that prevents the overall spread of disease.

You can’t have 25 children in a study and then report that this proves that no children who get autism have any correlation to being injured by vaccines. This is what the media does: they take these conclusions, put it right out in front of the newspapers and say, “Vaccines don’t cause autism.”

Haraz is fully vaccinated because I believe like most medications there are always side effects but the chances of it happening to you is very slim. There is never a 100% quarantee but it’s better to be vaccinated than sorry.

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Dr Zahilah Filzah wrote an eloquent article on vaccinations. Kudos.

On autism – mmr link – it has been exposed as a fraud – the doctor researcher cooperating with a lawyer seeking money in damage lawsuits and offering mercury chelating therapy to parent for supposed detox for mercury containing vaccinations. He has been deregistered as well as stripped off his medical license.

There is no conspiracy to kill/maim your children through vaccination – you all were also vaccinated – sihat jer kan? My grand mom used to tell stories of kids dying of fever and small pox during her childhood days. You dont see it anymore now thanks to vaccines and modern medicine.

salam dr harlina.. u may also want to read a post about vaccination written by ‘kereta mayat’ in his blog, http://keretamayat.blogspot.com … though it was not written beautifully (hihi) as Dr Zahilah’s, but it is also worth reading… thank you for posting Dr Zahilah’s article, it is indeed very informative and enlightening..

To adress most of common concerns regarding vaccines, i like to highlight these articles

For mommies that like to read – please read actual medical evidence in studies – this all latest studies conducted and published in peer reviewed highly regulated transparent journal. No conspiracy theory here
The paper can be read the links provided – in full text.

They trace 467 450 danish kids comparing children vaccinated with a thimerosal-containing vaccine with children vaccinated with a thimerosal-free formulation of the same vaccine

The risk of autism and other autistic-spectrum disorders did not differ significantly between children vaccinated with thimerosal-containing vaccine and children vaccinated with thimerosal-free vaccine

In this lancet study (a major peer reviewed medical journal)
40 full-term infants aged 6 months and younger were given vaccines that contained thiomersal (diptheria-tetanus-acellular pertussis vaccine, hepatitis B vaccine, and in some children Haemophilus influenzae type b vaccine). 21 control infants received thiomersal-free vaccines. samples of blood, urine, and stools 3—28 days after vaccination were obtained. Total mercury (organic and inorganic) in the samples was measured by cold vapour atomic absorption.

Administration of vaccines containing thiomersal does not seem to raise blood concentrations of mercury above safe values in infants. Ethylmercury eliminated from blood rapidly via the stools after parenteral administration of thiomersal in vaccines.

This study newly published in Journal of peadiatrics address parental concern whether vaccination antigens associated with autism or not or whether high exposure through antigens causes autism. There is no founded correlation.

“With kids, they don’t produce any anybodies until after age 6 months. So why give a vaccine to anyone under the age of 6 months if they can’t produce antibodies. Even if the whole vaccine theory really worked, it would be absolutely pointless to inject a baby of 6 months or less with a vaccine . With a child’s immune system being very immature until age 2, the overload of 36 vaccines by the age of 18 months seems about as logical as drinking from a fire hydrant.”

“With kids, they don’t produce any anybodies until after age 6 months. So why give a vaccine to anyone under the age of 6 months if they can’t produce antibodies. Even if the whole vaccine theory really worked, it would be absolutely pointless to inject a baby of 6 months or less with a vaccine . With a child’s immune system being very immature until age 2, the overload of 36 vaccines by the age of 18 months seems about as logical as drinking from a fire hydrant.”

Salam..I was a provax, but i have stop vaccinate now, and i didn’t even read about Dr Andrew Wakefield by the time i decide not to vaccinate.So I have 2 views from both side of the coin in myself.I took about 5-6 months weighing whether i do the right thing for me and my child. I have made my choice, and so should others.Do not follow other people blindly, do not rely on one source only when you decide, i do strongly agree about doing istikharah to help you decide.After that, either you chose to vaccinate or not, the decision is yours only to decide.Not others.I repeat.NOT OTHERS.

It is all about choice, informed choice. Dr Zahilah article contain scare tactics in the end ” The community needs to be educated and myths and misconceptions regarding vaccination should not be allowed to spread, or we would to have to suffer the consequences in the future.”What consequences is that supposed to mean?Read below and care to judge whether I’m writing about myths, or facts?I just choose to write about AEFI.Not halalness issue, conspiracy theories or vaccine content(thimerosal, aluminum etc).

Yes , the community need to be educated, about pros and cons of vaccine.Vaccines is treated like a sacred cows( lembu suci/benda suci) until it’s efficiency cannot be questioned.At all.

In US, they have National Vaccine Information Centre(NVIC)They have awarded about USD 2 billion to vaccine injured victims.If vaccine is safe, how come there is victims of vaccines? http://www.nvic.org/injury-compensation.aspx

In Rotateq vaccine, the insert mentioned about vaccine shedding.Quite scary because babies who have just been vaccinated will have virus shedding from their stools and can infect unvaccinated person!

“( item 5.5) ……Transmission of vaccine virus strains from vaccinees to non-vaccinated contacts has been observed post-marketing.
The potential riskof transmission of vaccine virus should be weighed against the risk of acquiring and
transmitting natural rotavirus.”

This is no misconception or myth, this IS WRITTEN IN THE INSERT!(yes i know rotateq declared haram already, i just use this as example)

MMR vaccine (MMRII by merck & Priorix by Glaxosmithkline)
The vaccine are contraindicated in babies who are sensitive to eggs and neomycin.But, the nurses don’t bother to ask before vaccinate.Well, after vaccinate you will know for sure.

“Persons with a history of anaphylactic, anaphylactoid,or other immediate reactions (eg., hives, swelling of the mouth and throat, difficulty breathing, hypotension, or shock) subsequent to egg ingestion may be at anenhanced risk of immediate-type hypersensitivity reactions after receiving vaccines containing traces ofchick embryo antigen. The potentialrisk to benefit ratio should be carefully evaluated before considering vaccination in such cases. Such individuals may be vaccinated with extreme caution, having adequatetreatment on hand should a reaction occur .”Excerpt from MMRII insert.http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/m/mmr_ii/mmr_ii_pi.pdf

Most doctors will say parents are too paranoid of AEFI.This is just rashes and eczema.Hello, allergies and anaphylaxis is 2 different thing.Allergy, u’ll be uncomfortable for life but u’ll live.Anaphylactic shock, can lead to swelling, hives, dificulty breathing, vomiting, diarrhea, dehydration and can even lead to death.And there are more AEFIs than just fever,rashes, swelling or eczema.I will just list a few below(i have translate some)

it is so nicely written, in Malay, and easy to understand, 30 pages only.Why did nurses or doctors never mention AEFIs before giving vaccination to children?Some scares me when i ask, they did not event know what is this garis panduan is all about!Some will say, AEFI is just demam and ruam.o_O.Oh yea, in case you vaccinate, and babies got any AEFI, please report to the KK(klinik kesihatan) using this form (which I come to know by Google/Yahoo), not from the mouth of the doctor or nurses themselves.

Education and knowledge is for all, please do not hide infos just because you worry that people will not wanting to vaccinate.I have friends who are provax, but i respect their choice as they respect mine.So i guess unvax and provax can live together peacefully, isn’t it?Educate before you vaccinate and make an informed choice.Salam Ramadhan, peace.

wrong place woman. People are getting clarification from the educated one not from ‘manipulative info ‘ from the internet or certain group from FB, What is it again? Our Healthy Unvaccinated Babies apa ke jadah. Dont interfere. I definitely would not want my kid to be friend with kids who does not vaccine as an act of selfishness without considering the immunity herd. Sudah-sudahlah tu. Our government has spend millions even billions for the research about vaccine and to the certain moms who believes information from internet rather than doctors, seriously something wrong with you guys.

Sorry for the harsh word but im getting fade up with this issue already. Make the right choice, mak bapak korang pun vaccine korang jugak, are there something wrong with you guys?

Pro vaccine mum, bila masa kjaan spend millions on vaccine research? Negara kita produce ke? My father is the living proof who never get vaccinated in his life. And he is very healthy, strong like a young man at age of 60.

See what i mean, this people are like everywhere. every single details akan dipertikaikan and di debate kan. Please go to your respected site which you guys can whine and moan about how bad vaccine this all day long and please don’t violate others that has different opinion than you. (or those yang baru nak belajar about vaccine). Let me conclude this as it fit well with you guys:

Before someone else post link this and that, quote Dr this and that( some of it quote from Pediatric Chiropractic or whatever) youtube cut and paste let’s us to be reminded :

We should know all the info from internet is not really reliable nowadays, unless you have discipline on that area.i.e historian search for history topic,islamic sholar search for islamic study,engineer search for engineering topic,art..…..because they(people expert at their area) have a tool(dicipline) to screen all the information and data.

narrow minded. Peads can earn good salary not because they’re meds la.. U are accusing all the peads who try to help.. that’s y kita skarang adalam ‘zaman dajjal’.. as we have peopla like you bashing others without reasons.. dr lagi (p.s. i’m not a doctor’

YES, I’ve educate myself before I vaccinate my children and I was also vaccinated…Salah ke? And this is also an informed choice for most of the other mommies too…If you opt not to vaccinate, it is TOTALLY UP TO YOU. But, please stop spreading these irresponsible rumours/statements/whatever that might frightened other mommies to vaccinate, just like what I’ve been through before….OK!

Assalamualaikum…sakit dari Allah…penyembuhnya juga adalah Allah…dadah hanya inhibit not curing….people die in infectious disease due to the drugs given…not due to the germs…and drugs is ubiquitous..it’s in your food..your soap…your shampoo..your cosmetics…in form of synthetic chemicals…why are we easily fooled that those synthetic chemicals is safe for us…when you get symptoms, why we tends to blame kacang..sayur..why we don’t blame cakes, biscuits that have those drugs in it…
see…we tend to blame the nature (Allah’s creation) and get screwed with all the misunderstandings…

You tell me what things/food in these world that haven’t got any synthetic chemicals? If only u can back to basic in preparing all the foods yourself, wash your clothes only with water, then maybe you can 100% sure you’re not gonna get any of these synthetic chemicals, so go ahead. All processed food have synthetic chemicals. Nak jus buah ke, susu segar ke, ha amik buat sendiri. And don’t forget that the pollutants and toxins in the atmosphere also can trigger those who have genetic vulnerability to autism ye, so always keep yourself at home so that you might not be infected by thousands of germs/toxins from the environment. Tau pun kan mustahil la nak berperap je kat rumah…even kalau tak kerja duduk rumah jaga anak pun kena keluar rumah juga pegi shopping bercampur dengan orang…

Nampaknya anda masih tidak tahu kewujudan kumpulan manusia yg besar esp di Amerika yg dah kembali having a life without synthetic chemical..FYI siapa kata tak boleh buat industri kalau tiada synthetic chemical? U tahu tak dalam plants ada banyak organic chemical (which means exclusively created by Allh Taala) yang boleh produce much2 better effect compare to man made yang penuh dengan kelemahan..Cuma masalahnya seluruh manusia telah di divert pemikirannya kepada sesuatu yg mudah yg telah being supplied by the system…you tahu L’occitane product?100% plant chemical…we need to brief ourself regarding organic chemistry dan synthetic chemistry first…anyway ini adalah soal akidah juga..for example you know that iron is needed for Hemoglobin synthesis..tapi u tahu tak that iron that being given to pregnant lady around Malaysia is the synthetic one? The molecule is different and it is not meant to be accepted and used for Hb synthesis…so what the KKM should do is actually make a tablet that rich in iron from plant source which is planned by God to be consumed by human..if u think the Zionist are smart so that we have to use their way…we should be smarter because we believe in Allah , the creator of the universe..we believe that human can never ever create anything that Allah has created not even a single, tiny virus but they lied to you by producing the virus themselves through recombinant DNA and make a fake study to make u really believe that the vaccine does the job…anyway as a good muslim do you think that solat, sabar, iman, good behaviour does not have any role in immunity? It has a role …a big role..as it increase oxytocin released from the post pituitary and please read yourself about the oxytocin effect..in wet they even make synthetic oxytocin as sublingual prep. to maintain calmness and happiness…but we have Islam that all the teaching boost up our oxytocin…
Peace!!!Luv u all because of Allah..we don’t quarrel to see who’s gonna win..but we quarrel for seeking the truth..and the truth is always bitter..but we need to have some patient and mujahadah ..

Drug companies make tens of billions of dollars from drugs given to treat side effects and life time illnesses caused by vaccines.

Vaccines are the backbone of the medical system. Without vaccines, healthcare costs would go down because we would have a healthier overall society. We have exchanged chicken pox for autism, flu for asthma, ear infections for diabetes. The list goes on and on. In the zeal to eliminate a short list of relatively benign microbes, we have traded temporary illnesses for pervasive, life long diseases, disorders, dysfunctions and disabilities.

Coudn’t agree more with ahfar,maybe i should top-up little more based on my research with google ( disclaimer I’ve degree holder ya not form3)

Zionis Protocol 10, Part 19.

“But you yourselves perfectly well know that to produce the possibility of the expression of such wishes by all the nations it is indispensable to trouble in all countries the people’s relations with their governments so as to utterly exhaust humanity with dissension, hatred, struggle, envy and even by the use of torture, by starvation, BY THE INOCULATION OF DISEASES, by want, so that the goyim see no other issue than to take refuge in our complete sovereignty in money and in all else. But if we give the nations of the world a breathing space the moment we long for is hardly likely ever to arrive.”

Coudn’t agree more with Ahfar. On top of all that scary diseases, human exchange those curable diseases (chicken pox etc) with the SCARIEST & INCURABLE disease = CANCER! Memanglah baby x dpt cancer when vaccinated, but cancer cell will develop in the long term due to the weakened immune system. Yang untung siapa? Sendiri mau ingatlah.

Cancer is from genetic mutation? Sound like Darwin’s evolution theory pulak. Its partly true but cerita x habis. You ingat cell badan mutate sendiri eh? Body kita x de protection system ? Bdn kita is like a civilized country, u know. Lengkap dgn askar2nya. The T and B cells, who r the body’s military intelligence system, seeking out their targets and sending defenses to lock onto them and are like the soldiers, destroying the invaders (like viruses). Before the viruses attack normal cells to mutate to cancer cells, they have to face those armies IF AND ONLY IF the army is strong enough! If the body’s defense system is weak (due to the virus attack of vaccination ets), memang serah badan je lah pada virus utk attack normal cells. Finally, they mutates and cancer cell develops.

MasyaAllah. It has become a war zone! Reading comments from some of u has made me confuse than ever! My 1st son was vaccinated as what prescribed by kkm. It was no issue back then. Tak ada group antivaccine or provaccine.

But now i’ve just given birth to my premature twins. Their immune systems are not fully developed n doctors(muslims) recommended rotavirus n pnemucocal for both of them.

I think i will need to think thru abt this before making any decisions.

Lets pray d best for our children n community n PLEASE, stop bashing each other.

I won’t listen to someone like you doc. I do my own reading, i ask my own questions to numbers of people/experts and then i decide. I will not decide based on what written by a doctor who happened to be famous just because she’s the wife of Malaysian first so-called astronaut.Thank you and PEACE!

Ms/Mrs inafilza, for ur information this article wrote by Dr Halina besties Dr Zahilah. As Dr Halina said “Don’t judge others who does or doesn’t want to give their child vaccination. We as medical providers, our job is to educate the public based on our knowledge as a doctor and Muslims”.
She don’t even mention for u or other mommies out there to decide based on this article. Please careful with ur words and do respect people which have their own initiative to provide us this article for free. Thank you.

In this case I really support inafilza, she’s totally right. We have to do our own research. Personally based on my own experience, now I am on-going to finish geology, law and metafizik at the sametimes with google. Next I want to complete my vaccine research to entitle me as legal anti-vaccinologist.

Dear Meme-antivaccine,
Go ahead , do what you want . Good for you. The thing is , this is not your place , just as Our Healthy Unvaccinated Baby (OHUB) is not ours. It’s funny that you are even here, dont bother . We are here to find out what the doctors feel abt vaccinations and sincerely ask further questions because we want to know. You are here obviously for something else. This article has been shared by many on their blogs and FBs, I heard, that it irritates you people , right ? Is that why the anti-vaccine people are here ?

Sis Inafilza..She is helping us lots.. She never take guaranteed with the title she got. She shares her knowledge with us. Pls keep your word, it is not good to say to anyone either.
It is fine if you dont want to vaccinate your kid. It is up to you. But pls respect to others.

Dear inafilza and the rest of refuse-vaccination mommies, if u dont want to vaccinate your children or follow what dr halina and her bestie wrote, it is fine. I believe all of u are an adult who can carry the responsibility to whatever actions that u took. And yes it is true if ur children get sick, you are the one who will take care of them. So let it be, u dont want to vaccinate, u bear the risk, we want to vaccinate, we will bear the risk. What is not right here is googling does not mean doing research. It is called surfing. If I google about hukum fiqah and I understand from what I read, does that make me an ustazah who studied at tahfiz, universiti al azhar etc? Does that allow me to produce fatwa and jatuhkan hukum etc. Am i elligible to do so. No, right? Because I did not go to proper, formal religious school or college or university. I dont have proper teaching. How can I talk about things that I get from google?…

Same goes to all refuse-vaccination mommies. Googling about adverse effect of vaccination does not make you a microbiologist, an immunologist who can declare that vaccination is totally dangerous. And again, u can continue with all strike about no-vaccination but dont spread things that u did not master at.

And the doctors not the life saviour. We assist people to be in optimum healthy state. ALLAH does the saving and cure.

This is an article by Dr. Wilson, the only medical doctor I know who believe nutrition rather than drugs prescription. He doesn’t believe vaccine too, mommies! No one should be vaccinated like he said. The article is quoted with references, research studies & big sample evidences, FAR FAR FAR more reliable than Dr Za’s, who just have 1 case of her patient. Plus, she relies on halal certificate from Jakim, which brings DOUBT such that this body has never make a lab test plus restoran cina pun dpt status halal from them.

Vaccination began 200 years ago as an experimental life-saving medical tool. While it originally had some merit, today it has become perhaps the leading cause of death and disability among our children.
This article covers many aspects of the vaccine debate. It addresses vaccine history, effectiveness of vaccines, and the side effects of vaccines. It also discusses other problems of vaccines and some alternatives to vaccination. It also covers how to opt out of vaccination.

A BRIEF HISTORY OF VACCINATION

Dr. Edward Jenner is credited with the first successful vaccine about 210 years ago. Smallpox was among the worst diseases of the day. Medicine had little to offer in the way of a cure or preventive.
Dr. Jenner injected pus into healthy human beings taken from cattle who had cowpox, a form of smallpox that affects only cattle. By this means, he was able to protect some of those who were vaccinated against smallpox. The word vaccine derives from the word vaca, meaning cow in Spanish.
As word spread of the new vaccine idea, the world was astonished, just as we would be today if someone suddenly had a cure for cancer. As a result, vaccination was accepted as a valid medical advance.
Smallpox, typhoid fever, diphtheria and polio have declined in the world. What we are not told, however, is that vaccination had little to do with it. If one examines the statistics carefully, the major advances had to do with better hygiene and much better nutrition of the population in the 20th century.
Meanwhile, new vaccines were developed for other conditions such as measles, hepatitis and many other conditions, even though these are not usually life-threatening diseases. Unfortunately, the vaccines have side effects. Like so many medical drugs and procedures, vaccination is now creating much more horrible problems for thousands of people, especially children.

VACCINE PROBLEMS

From the start, there were problems with vaccines. These included adverse effects such as fevers, and occasionally death from the very disease the vaccine was designed to protect against. However, the benefits of vaccines outweighed the problems and the shots helped eradicate certain diseases.
This background is brief, but very important to understand the vaccine situation now. Today, vaccination is a “protected industry”. That is, no one has seriously questioned its premises in spite of horrendous problems that we will discuss. Our federal government protects the vaccine industry by handling its liability problems.
According to the government’s own Vaccine Injury Compensation Program or VICP website, the cost as of January 8, 2008 is $1,749,743,610.45, (about $1.75 billion). This works out to about $100 million every year and it is growing fast.
Regardless of your feelings or beliefs about vaccination, the mere fact that a major government budget item is paying damage awards due for vaccine injuries means there exists a severe problem with this industry. Let us examine it in detail. Before doing so, however, here is a very recent medical article that shows how medical research distorts the value of vaccination.

In this recent study involving 704 people, it first appears that flu shots reduced death from respiratory illness a full 50%. However, the researchers decided to check an important factor.
They corrected the data for what is called the “healthy user effect”. This is an extremely important factor in some vaccinations that has not been taken into effect in previous studies.
The healthy user effect refers to the fact that some patients take generally better care of themselves. They eat well, avoid smoking and drinking, take nutritional supplements and so forth.
When this group was excluded from the vaccine study, it turned out that the difference in the death rate from the flu between the vaccinated and unvaccinated groups was 0. In other words, if you take care of yourself, flu shots, according to this smaller study, had no benefit whatsoever.

Who should be vaccinated? The answer is no one.

Now let us examine the history of vaccination in America, its nation of origin and still the most vaccinated in the world.

THE WORLD OF 140 YEARS AGO

The world of Dr. Jenner (1749-1823) was quite different from ours:

* Doctors did not wash their hands when they touched patients or even when they delivered babies.
* Most deaths were due to infectious diseases. Cancer, heart disease and diabetes were relatively rare.
* Children died by the thousands in America and Europe from infectious diseases due to bad water, poor food, inadequate shelter and poor hygiene and sanitation. Rats, mice, ticks and other vermin carried cholera, typhoid and many other diseases everywhere, spreading germs and filth.
* There were few antibacterial or antiviral medicines. Those that did exist were extremely toxic, such as arsenic and mercury (Calomel).

THE WORLD TODAY

Filthy conditions still exist in some parts of the world, as do the infectious diseases that go with them. In these places vaccination may still make good sense.
However, America and the developed world have cleaned up the water, the food, and even the air. It used to contain fecal matter such as horse manure, hoards of flies, mosquitoes and more. Today, instead of germs in the air we have toxic chemicals and metals, a new situation with different consequences.
Personal hygiene and sanitation are taken for granted in most advanced nations, and many occupational and public health laws protect us from deadly contagious illnesses.
Medicine has advanced tremendously, with modern antibiotic, antiviral, antifungal and other agents that can halt many infections quickly and safely.
The epidemic illnesses are ‘degenerative’, such as cancer, heart disease, diabetes and dementias.

WHAT ABOUT VACCINES TODAY?

Vaccination can still protect people from some infectious diseases. However, adverse effects of vaccines are increasing. Possible reasons for this are:
1) The differing conditions explained above.
2) Many more vaccines. Fifty years ago there were some 8-10 vaccines. Today, over 40 are recommended in some states.
3) Combinations of vaccines are decidedly deadlier.
4) Other reasons might include more awareness of vaccine-related injuries and more attorneys willing to assist clients in this area.
For all these reasons, it is time to review the benefits versus the problems of vaccination as a public health method.

VACCINE EFFECTIVENESS

Vaccine advocates claim that the reduction in certain diseases is mainly due to vaccination. However, careful studies, such as that by J.B. and S.M. McKinlay, show that the vaccine-related diseases such as tuberculosis, diphtheria, smallpox and others were declining before vaccination came along. Improved hygiene, better sanitation and better nutrition of the people are the likely factors in their decline. This has been shown to be the case in many nations since then.
The McKinley study indicated that vaccines accounted for only about 4% of the decline of several important diseases. However, it can appear that vaccines were of more benefit because they came along about the same time that hygiene, sanitation and nutrition improved.
It is also well-known that vaccines do not protect 100% against a disease, and they offer only temporary or partial immunity.

VACCINE SAFETY

Vaccines side effects are well-known. The following was taken from vaccine package inserts and other vaccine company information. Your doctor is supposed to tell you about them. How many of the following were you told about?

* HPV or Gardasil: Death reports are beginning to accumulate as this new vaccine is given to more and more teenage girls and even boys, although they cannot get the same condition of cervical cancer, which the vaccine is supposed to prevent, so this is patently insane except to try to prevent transmission of the sexually-transmitted HPV virus. However, the vaccine only covers some strains of the virus, so it is not even fully effective, if it works at all.
Other “side effects” have so far included: Bells Palsy, Guillan-Barre syndrome, seizures, blood clotting and heart problems, miscarriages and fetal abnormalities amongst pregnant women who received the vaccine.
Thousands have experienced syncope, rashes, facial paralysis, seizures and other effects, especially when this vaccine is combined with any of about 18 others in young girls or boys.
* Polio Vaccine Side Effects: Contracting polio from the vaccine, spreading the disease to others and Guillian-Barre syndrome. (Guillain-Barre syndrdome is a severe fever and nerve disease that did not exist prior to vaccination.)
* The “Safe” DaPT (formerly DPT-diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus): This is one of the worst, with many instances of high fevers, shock, convulsions and death.
* Smallpox: Gangrene, smallpox, encephalitis, liver, spleen, pancreas and kidney disorders, herpes and polio.
* HiB (Influenza): When given with the DPT, persistent crying, seizures, hives, asthma and kidney failure.
* MMR (measles, mumps, German measles): Contracting measles, seizures, Guillain-Barre syndrome, arthritis, autism, nerve deafness and death.
* Hepatitis B: Shock, arthritis, Guillain-Barre, bronchospasm, multiple sclerosis, herpes, and possible sudden infant death.
* Chickenpox: Seizures, fevers, death and contracting chickenpox (in 27% of cases), which can cause birth defects if it spreads to pregnant women.
* Flu Shots. These can cause the flu in people who are healthy. I know of a person who died as a result of getting the flu right after receiving her “flu shot” vaccine.
My comment is this is one of silliest vaccines. There is no way to tell which of the hundreds of strains of influenza will be dominant in a particular year. Companies that make the shots literally guess which strains of flu to put in the vaccine. They also still contain some mercury, so the patients are poisoned with this as well. I suggest avoiding these always.
Adverse effects of the 30 or so other “mandated” vaccines would fill another 10 pages, but the point is clear. Vaccines are not safe at all. The references contain more information.

ADVERSE EFFECT REPORTING

Most vaccine problems are never reported. Until 1991, no centralized method existed to even report vaccine adverse effects.
According to the FDA, only about 10% of vaccine side effects are reported. However, other studies reveal that only 1 to 4% of adverse effects are ever reported.
For example, in 1998, the National Vaccine Information Center did a survey of New York pediatric offices and found out that “only one in 40 doctors reports a death or an injury following vaccination.” That is only a 2.5% reporting rate! If we extrapolate this percentage of underreporting, one finds that at least 20 million adverse effects have occurred since 1991.
Unfortunately, pediatricians and other doctors have an incentive not to report vaccine problems. Vaccination is the bread and butter of much of the pediatric profession.

THE BILLION-DOLLAR COVER-UP

A Drug Company Subsidy. For years, the federal government has “limited the liability” of drug companies that produce vaccines. This was kept quiet in the past, but is no longer a secret.
I was shocked to visit the website of the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program or VICP. The US government (this means you and me) has paid out over $1.7 billion in vaccine damages to 3466 victims, as of January 2008.
In fact, most claims were dismissed, probably due to the “10-day rule”. This is the insane idea that any injury that you do not report to your doctor within 10 days doesn’t count as vaccine-related. It is ridiculous because most severe vaccine injuries can take weeks, months or years to develop.
The VICP Mission. The VICP website states that its mission is to reduce lawsuits aimed at vaccine companies in order to “stabilize” vaccine supplies and promote vaccine research and development. In other words, drug companies are not responsible for the deaths and disability they cause.
Without this government support, many fewer vaccines, if any, would be on the market due to liability concerns.
The Right To Sue For Damages. I do not always like the tactics used by lawyers. However, the right to sue and recover damages is a fundamental legal principle. It protects all of us from all types of shoddy and dangerous products. Every medical device, drug, and procedure that I am aware of is subject to legal liability except vaccination.
Meanwhile, our government quietly has been paying the bill to the tune of about $100 million every year out of taxpayer money. Not only has the cost been rising. As explained below, it is likely to increase much more.
Autism Damage. The VICP website states that the $1,749,743,610.45. in damage awards includes just one case of autism, and that occurred in 2008. This is probably because autism may take weeks or several years to develop after vaccination, so it does not count in court as a vaccine injury.
However, autism did not even exist as a medical diagnosis before widespread vaccination was in place in America and around the world. Many shocked parents will attest that their child developed normally until after a vaccination.
I expect the damage awards for the hundreds of thousands of autism cases to increase drastically in the years to come. Interestingly, a study of Amish people found that there were only three cases of autism in the group. Amish people do not vaccinate their children. The three cases, it turned out, were all children who had been brought into the Amish community from outside, and had been vaccinated.
Vaccine damage awards are already a major government budget item. Other staggering costs for parents, insurers and the states include the lifelong treatment of all the autistic children and those with other vaccine-related developmental problems. Clearly there are serious problems with vaccines.

MERCURY AND OTHER TOXINS IN VACCINES

Extremely toxic chemicals are always added to all vaccines. They include mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde, acetone, lead, cadmium and others. Most often, they are not listed on the package insert. However, they are needed as sanitizers, stabilizers and preservatives.
They must be added to reduce contamination of the vaccine with other viruses, bacteria, parasites, fecal matter and other items found in the culture medium on which the vaccine germs are grown.
These additives are themselves deadly, especially for very young children. However, they are highly toxic for everyone. For instance, they are all neurotoxic. This means they impair and can destroy brain function, especially in young, quickly-growing children and infants. Some are toxic for the immune system, for the digestive system and for other body systems as well.
Mercury is probably the worst single offender in the vaccine tragedy now occurring all over the world where vaccination is practiced. Well-known symptoms of mercury toxicity in young children include autism, ADHD, gut damage, visual disturbances, and delayed myelination of the nerves. Other problems include thyroid disease, delayed development, learning disorders and even death.
Mercury has been well-studied, despite lies to the contrary by our health agencies such as The Institute For Medicine, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the Centers For Disease Control (CDC).

AUTISM

Bernard Rimland, PhD, is director of the Autism Research Institute and founder of the Autism Society of America. He wrote:

“The FDA, CDC and various medical associations have failed miserably in their duty to protect our children (from the horrors of vaccination, editors note). Rather than acknowledge their role in creating the immense, catastrophic rise in autism, they have resorted to denial and obstruction. They stand to lose their credibility and billions of dollars in liability suits that will soon reach our courts. The truth must and will emerge.”

The gravest symptom of mercury, according to many studies, is a worldwide epidemic of a “new” disease, autism. It was totally unknown before about 1940, before mass vaccination began. In the 1980s, the incidence was about 1 in 10,000 children. Today it is diagnosed in 1 in 150 children, about 80% of which are boys. In fact, the incidence is much higher in vaccinated boys, according to a 2007 study of 17,674 children in California and Oregon.
Treatment for mercury toxicity is not always successful, so autism and several other conditions possibly related to it such as ADHD, developmental delays and learning problems are extremely costly and in many instances hard to treat.

Thimerisol-Free Vaccines. Some vaccines are now available without thimerisol or mercury-free. However, many doctors and hospitals do not stock them.
Also, this is often a lie. For example, those who have requested thimerisol-free vaccines are told incorrectly that they are receving them, when, in fact, they are not. Thimerisol-free can mean the vaccine just contains less mercury. Even most flu shots still contain 25 mcg of mercury as thimerisol.
Also, if thimerisol mercury is not present in your vaccine, something has replaced it that may not be listed on the label and could be as toxic or moreso than thimerisol.

For all the documentation on the link between mercury as thimerisol and autism, please read Evidence of Harm-The Story of Thimerisol by David Kirby.

MEMORY LOSS, LEARNING DISORDERS AND OTHER BEHAVIORAL PROBLEMS

Aluminum is commonly used to stabilize vaccines. It is associated with dementia and other brain problems. Lead and cadmium found in some vaccines and other pharmaceutical preparations cause severe tissue damage to the liver, kidneys and other organs and systems of the body. Acetone, another vaccine component, also used as nail polish remover, damages the liver, kidneys and most other organs of the body.
Cumulative Poisons. Health authorities tell us the amount of mercury, aluminum and other toxins in vaccines is small. Let us review the numbers.
The recommended exposure to mercury for a newborn is 1-4 micrograms or mcg. It is estimated that today’s child receives up to 212 mcg of mercury from his recommended vaccines! Similar huge exposures occur to aluminum, cadmium, lead and other toxic chemicals and metals.
Add to this that most children born today already have excessive levels of these toxins in their bodies. This is due to vaccines given to the mother, along with environmental exposures that range from silver amalgam dental fillings that are half mercury to eating too much fish. Many pharmaceutical drugs also contain the same preservatives and chemicals as vaccines. Childhood is also a time of extreme vulnerability to toxic chemicals of any kind because the nervous system and other body systems are growing fast.

AIDS AND GULF WAR SYNDROME

The greatest incidence of AIDS happens to be in the most intense regions of smallpox vaccination in Africa, Brazil and Haiti. Scientists believe this may have occurred because African monkeys were imported to the United States and elsewhere to produce certain vaccines.
These shots may have accidentally transmitted the SV40 monkey virus to the people. This is a close relative of the AIDS virus. Let us explain why this could have happened. Vaccines are grown on dog and monkey kidneys, horse and calf serums (including pus), rabbits’ brains, even animal urine . This can introduce the DNA of other species directly into the blood of young human children. This is akin to genetic engineering, but with no controls and unknown long-term consequences. This could be the origin of AIDS and many other strange new diseases today.
Beware, there are no long-term studies done on today’s vaccines before they are introduced and recommended by our public health authorities. Read that sentence over and over before you go for your next flu shot or vaccine for your child.
Mixing animal organs and tissues directly with a child’s blood also introduces a wide variety of random viruses, bacteria, parasites and other material that is contained in these body fluids and tissues. It is impossible to purify tissues completely. Even if it is done correctly, one can never know when contamination has occurred.
Gulf War Syndrome. This has taken the vitality and even the lives of many of our best young men and women. Is it about vaccines? You decide. Our troops received about 15 “experimental” vaccines. Even those who were never deployed to the Middle East developed gulf war syndrome.
Troops from France, however, did not receive the experimental vaccines. They did not develop Gulf War syndrome, even though they fought against Saddam Hussein’s army with its possible use of chemical and biological weapons.
This would tend to rule out chemical weapons, depleted uranium or food-borne illness as causes of Gulf War Syndrome. In spite of these facts, the American military vaccine program continues today.

THE NEED FOR FURTHER VACCINE RESEARCH

In 2005, Julie Gerberding, director the Centers For Disease Control, stated that studying the health of vaccinated versus unvaccinated children would be “something that could be done”. Yet no such studies have been begun by our government, in spite of begging and pleading by several groups of concerned citizens.
In October, 2007, however, Generation Rescue, a private group, spent their own money to conduct a survey of 17,674 children in California and Oregon from ages 4-17. 911 unvaccinated children were found. The study showed that the incidence of ADHD among the older unvaccinated boys was less than one fourth that of the vaccinated boys. The incidence of autism among boys who were not vaccinated was less than half that of boys who were vaccinated.
This is extremely damming evidence, and quite easily verified by more studies, but so far the government refuses to do the studies.
The California-Oregon study was conducted based on an earlier smaller study of Amish people in 2005. The Amish do not allow their children to be vaccinated. This study revealed only three cases of autism.
Upon further investigation, all three of these children had been vaccinated. Two were adopted into the community after vaccination. The third was a boy whose mother joined the Amish community after he was vaccinated . In other words, no autism at all was found among the Amish!
Privately funds an unvaccinated children are desperately needed for more studies of this kind. Anyone who has an unvaccinated a child may inquire about participating in such a study by contacting Mary Tocco at Mary@marytocco.com.

SUDDEN INFANT DEATH

The cause of Sudden Infant Death, or SIDS, is not known. It is increasing, however, wherever vaccination is practiced. A revealing study was conducted in Australia in the 1970s. Due to safety concerns, vaccination was made voluntary in Australia. Almost immediately half the population stopped vaccinating.
The same year, the incidence of Sudden Infant Death also decreased in Australia by about 50%. Obviously, this is an area in need of greater research to confirm or disprove a link between SIDS and vaccination.

OTHER CONSIDERATIONS BEFORE VACCINATING

Vaccination Is Not Immunization. When vaccines are effective, they do not confer complete or “natural” immunity. This is well-known, but hardly ever explained to parents and others.
In fact, vaccines only confer an artificial, partial or temporary immunity. The only way to obtain full immunity from an infectious illness is if one actually goes through the illness and recovers fully.
Vaccine-based “immunity”, by way of contrast, diminishes in its protective effect after one or more years, assuming it was effective at all. As stated in an earlier section of this article, one does not know if one’s vaccination was or is ever effective or not. There is no easy way to tell.
The Need For Boosters. Natural immunity occurs due to contracting a case of mumps or chickenpox. You are in no danger of another episode later in life.
Vaccines, however, reduce in effectiveness after a number of years. So you can get the disease unless you keep getting vaccinated repeatedly, hoping each time that the vaccine works well. This is costly and exposes one repeatedly to all the problems associated with vaccines.
More Serious Diseases Later In Life. Since one does not obtain full immunity to disease from a vaccine and may forget even one booster shot, many people get mumps, chickenpox or rubella (German measles) later in life. This is far worse than having it as a child and is associated with deafness, birth defects and even death. Other side effects later in life might include multiple sclerosis, adult ADHD, and much more.

Spreading Diseases. Sadly, vaccination can spread disease in three ways:

1) People get the disease they are being vaccinated against. Most cases of polio, whooping cough, diphtheria and even tuberculosis are in people who have been vaccinated.
2) People who are vaccinated get a mild case of the disease and spread it to someone else by contagion.
3) Vaccines can spread germs and even cause new types of diseases when they are made by sloppiness during their manufacture. Viral cultures must be reproduced or grown on eggs, animals and other media. Occasionally slip-ups, contamination and other problems occur that are potentially very dangerous, such as the AIDS possibility discussed above.
4) Vaccination spreads all disease by weakening people’s immune systems. This is a very serious problem in itself.

“Killed” Vaccines. This is not so much a problem in itself as much as it is a deliberate lie to make vaccines more acceptable to the public. Vaccines never contain just killed micro-organisms. If they did, they would be ineffective. Instead, they contain very weakened or attenuated organisms. So the term “killed” vaccines is definitely incorrect.

Combinations of vaccines. Administering several vaccines at once, of combination vaccines like the DPT is an even greater recipe for disaster. Reports from the federal Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (see references) indicate that the most deaths have occurred with combination vaccines. These include the DPT, DaPT and the MMR.
Also, combination of individual vaccines are often given at a single doctor’s visit to save time and trouble. This is also an very unwise and insane practice, according to government statistics.
Healthy People Are Much Less Susceptible to All Illness. This should be obvious but bears repeating. There is no substitute for eating well, resting adequately and living healthfully. Any other approach to your health is risky at best. Vaccines are known to weaken the body and thus worsen general health.
Most Infectious Diseases Are Benign. This includes such “killer” diseases like polio, which is completely benign in over 95% of cases. Many people have had it and don’t ever know it. It appears as a flu-like syndrome that passes without a problem if treated correctly. Most cases of polio since the 1980s are in vaccinated children.
Another illness that occurs mostly in vaccinated children in whooping cough. It, too, can be handled with conventional medical and natural methods without the need for vaccination in almost all cases.
Measles, mumps and chickenpox are also totally benign in most cases. In fact, it is far better to contract it harmlessly as a child than to be vaccinated and run the risk that the vaccine loses its effect after 10 or 20 years. When that happens, on may contract the disease as an adult, when these illnesses are far more severe than in childhood.
The same is true of hepatitis, infant diarrhea, diphtheria, tetanus, flu shots, human papilla virus, herpes, and the other diseases for which vaccinations are suggested.
In summary, the side effects of the vaccines tend to be far worse than the illnesses they are designed to protect against. Also, there are no guarantees the vaccines are even effective. In one vaccine package insert, I read that in 42% of cases, the vaccine did not “take”, meaning it was not effective,
All Diseases Are Treatable. Doctors may say that some diseases, such as polio, are “untreatable” and thus vaccination is needed. This is absolutely untrue, as is some other information available about infectious diseases. “Untreatable” means only that the doctor doesn’t know how to treat it.
Most all infections, bacterial and viral, can be handled safely and quickly by modern emergency medicine. This was not the case, however, 50 years ago when many vaccines were developed.,
Natural approaches can enhance treatment, and at times is far better than any drugs or other medical therapies, especially if used at the first sign of illness. The basics of natural treatment for infections include:

1) Plenty of rest. Keep your child home from school or, if you are the one who is ill, stay home from work. This alone helps the body fight the infection more than any other single measure.

2) Natural Remedies. Colloidal silver, herbs such as Echinacea, and golden seal, vitamins A and C, bee propolis, and other natural remedies can be used immediately. They must be given in sufficient amounts for the age and weight of the person. Chiropractic, colon therapy, energy balancing and many other natural therapies can also greatly assist the body to fight any infection. Once again, natural methods of treatment can and should be applied immediately and aggressively. This is true even if one will visit a doctor and take an antibiotic or antiviral medicine. An older natural healing book, Back To Eden by Jethro Kloss is one resource for old-fashioned ways to cope with infectious diseases in a gentle, safe manner. Newer natural remedies include colloidal silver and especially vitamins A and C in high doses. According to the book, Curing The Incurable, Vitamin C, Infections and Toxins by Thomas E. Levy, vitamin C in high doses will stop most all infections. Exercise caution with vitamin C drips, however. This is not something to do lightly and I hardly ever recommend it because other methods are much safer, less expensive and even better. For example, I much prefer to use sauna therapy for deep, chronic infections and obtain excellent results. The point is, there are plenty of ways besides conventional medicine to cope with infections without resorting to vaccination with all its problems we have elaborated above.

3) Drink lots of water and eat lightly. Preferably drink distilled or spring water. Do not eat too much of anything when feverish. Favor soups and liquids. Do not eat any junk food, as it just makes fighting the infection that much harder. For much more information about treating infections naturally, read Boosting The Immune System.

OPTING OUT

Anyone in America who does not wish to be vaccinated can still opt out – either on philosophical or on religious grounds. You need not submit yourself or your children to the horror that is vaccination today. Here is a link to find Vaccine Refusal Forms. The references below also list websites that offer vaccine refusal forms for every state. Some schools have them as well. Do not allow yourself and your child to be bullied.
If you still choose to have yourself or your child vaccinated and problems arise, report them quickly to a physician and insist that he report them to the Vaccine Adverse Effect Reporting System or VAERS.
Filing A Vaccine Injury Claim. If you wish to file a claim for vaccine injury, our benevolent government will pay your legal cost, even if you do not win your case. Most cases are dismissed, probably because of the 10-day rule. But at least there is some legal recourse. A website in the references specifically deals with legal defense for those injured by vaccines.

IF YOU STILL DECIDE TO VACCINATE

If you choose to vaccinate, here are some important and perhaps life-saving suggestions:

1) Never vaccinate unless the person is very healthy. If your child is sniffling or has an upset stomach on the day of the doctor’s appointment, call and reschedule when the child is totally well.

2) Never, ever give a child more than once vaccine at a time. Combinations are far more lethal, according to all statistical studies of vaccination.

3) Always request mercury and thimerisol-free vaccines and ask to see the package insert to verify this. Do not trust the doctor or nurse on this one. Many doctors are simply not informed on this topic. Also, check what was used as the replacement for thimerisol. It could be just as bad as thimerisol or worse. Remember, something must be used to reduce vaccine contaminants.

WHEN IS VACCINATION INDICATED?

One may ask, What if I do not eat well and must work a lot as well? Then should I get vaccinated and vaccinate my children? The answer is a definite no, in my view. Instead, take better care of yourself and your children, because the resources to nourish yourselves better, detoxify the body, and heal the body naturally are readily available.

You may also ask, What about vaccines for the starving children in Africa, pars of Asia and other undeveloped nations? They cannot afford good food, healthful water to drink and clean homes. The answer is that while vaccines may save a few lives, this must be weighed against the problems vaccines cause. Studies show that many poor children have infections, and this means vaccination is probably even more dangerous among them. So many die anyway that good studies of vaccine-related injuries among them are difficult. The money for vaccines would be far better spent on bringing them better food, better water, better homes and vitamin and mineral supplements.

Many years ago I lived in Mexico and worked there as a medical student and intern. I found it sad that most of the children who developed polio were the ones who were vaccinated. I cannot think of any times I would recommend vaccination.

HAVING HEALTHY CHILDREN

Vaccines distract us from raising healthy children naturally. This topic is large. Much more information about raising healthy children is available in several other articles on this website. Here is basic information if you wish to have healthy children:

Prenatal Care. This should begin long before having children. The only adequate prenatal care, in my experience of 30 years, is to embark on a nutritional balancing program of the type I design. Preferably do this a year or more before you want to have children. Both mothers and fathers, too, could use this, although it is most critical for a ll young women who ever hope to have children. Nothing less will do, although eating many more cooked, not raw vegetables, (and not fruits) and caring for the body much better are always helpful.

Taking a “pre-natal vitamin” when a woman is pregnant is far too little too late. This style of prenatal care is laughable. By this time, most of the baby’s nervous system is already quite far along in development, although the baby is still very tiny.

It takes months to years to build up the body’s nutritional state, especially after the ravages of the teenage years. Most teens eat terribly, do not sleep enough and may engage in often stupid and dangerous behavior like premarital sex and other activities.

Our governments and most health educators encourage teens to eat poorly by allowing the sale of all manner of junk foods in school cafeterias and in the supermarkets. Sadly, this is how we prepare our young women, in particular, to have healthful children. It is no wonder so many mothers and their children have physical and emotional problems.

Farmers and ranchers all know that one must prepare the adult animals well, with superior nutrition, to produce healthy offspring. Dog breeders know this, too. In some “primitive” cultures girls begin preparing for pregnancy when they reach puberty. The only ones that seem to be in the dark are our medical and other government health “authorities”.

Breastfeeding is another obvious way to improve the health of children. This tends to run in fads in medicine. Right now it is “in”, although mothers are told that a few months of breast feeding is adequate. It is not. One should breastfeed for two to three years for optimum immune system development.

La Leche League International is one of the best resources on our planet because it helps many mothers to keep breastfeeding when they develop difficulties and have no one else to consult. This is a very worthwhile organization to support.

Children’s Diets. This should be an obvious way to keep children healthy, rather than vaccinate them repeatedly. Most children’s diets are so bad I wonder how the children survive as they do.

In particular, children require plenty of quality fats and oils and, in particular, DHA, one of the essential fatty acids found in cod liver oil, an old remedy for children that works wonders for infections, both as a preventive and as treatment. It comes in flavors, and even in capsules if needed, so the taste is no longer an issue.

Vegetables are important as well, as is some fruit for vitamin C. Meats are important for many nutrients, and whole grains are okay in moderation only. Soda pop, fruit juices, water and beverages tainted with fluorides and chlorine, refined sugars and white flour products, in contrast, ruin children’s health.

Lifestyle. Children also need plenty of rest, especially the teenagers, and a lot of peace and quiet. They need human interaction and not just computer games. They need to stay away from cell phones as much as possible as well. These simple measures, diet and lifestyle, are critical at all ages, but especially for today’s children.

Salam ramadhan.
Sorry for this msg. I feel regret to comment earlier on this topic, now my inbox was full by the negative words by
“non qualified Dr. I though I’ll gain lots of info regarding this topic but end up it’s being a hot place & un moral chat.
I really don’t understand y some of us being so emotional about this topic. We are discussing the best for out kids n upcoming generation. The writing by Dr doen’t force us to take the vaccine. And it’s not Dr harlina opinion . it’s up to us. We decide the best for our kids depends on our lifestyle. If we r traveling around the world maybe we need the vaccine, if not maybe it’s save if we just in our save area . I feel so ashamed of those trying very hard to make their opinion accept by others. Calm down, relax.. This is only the place of sharing and caring. I would like to advice Dr better to remove this post due to the problem & it’s a debate place not in the right way.
For mother who throwing a bad words, I don’t know how raise up ur kids. Mcm mana acuan, begitulah kuihnya. So it’s means that ur parents teach u that way n now u r being so naïf , and now ur next generation will be the same as u. Think b4 do anything. Anak2 adalah cermin Ibu Bapa.
Action speaks lauder than words. !

Liyana,
I’m sorry , that’s not a good advice. This is a good article and should not be removed. A lot of us are gaining knowledge. What should be ‘deleted ‘ ? Those uncivilised group who datang attack article ni sebab tercabar. 2 of my friends changed their minds after reading this and the comments by readers also helped, sebab the anti-vaccine group wrote so irrationally that they do not want to follow them. Haha, in a way , anti-vaccine ppl telah membantu lebih ramai buat decision untuk vaccine kan anak mereka. Haha. Misi tak berjaya antivaccine!!!!

Dr.Halina,please DONT delete this post because i found this very informative.For those who are anti vaccine which officially disagree with this post,please move on,dont give your kids vaccine,medicine or all your claim harmful,i wonder when your kids get sick are you going to see a real doctor or just refer to doctor google,dont try to outsmart doctor,if you have their brain,you wont barking like a mad.

funny! i’ve been telling my phd students not to quote from dr google and yet over here, ppl have been relying on google to make big decisions concerning life. i could just write some unfounded theory on the net about how a single drop of vaccine could destroy the world in milliseconds and i bet you, some may even believe it!!!

Thank u for d article but I find it to be rather disappointing. As a medical doc or to be precise a paed, u should be neutral and not being biased. You cannot hide the fact of every vaccine includes a package insert that tells the doctor (and the parent lucky enough to see one) all about the vaccine, including its description, ingredients, purpose, WARNINGS (under what circumstances one should NOT have the vaccine) and side effects.

Take for example the MMR vaccine insert. Under the description of ingredients, the MMR is made in a medium using chick embryo cell culture. That means the disease is cultivated in eggs. Another potentially allergenic ingredient is gelatin. Anyone with an egg or gelatin allergy will want to avoid having this injected into their blood stream. However, the package insert clearly states that women should only receive the MMR vaccine 3 month prior to actually becoming pregnant.

It also states “Postpubertal females should b informed of the frequent occurrence of generally self-limited arthralgia and/or arthritis beginning 2 to 4 weeks after vaccination.” Here, individuals are warned if they are allergic or sensitive to any of the vaccine ingredients, if they are pregnant, if they have any immunosuppressive diseases or a family history of such conditions, or any condition effecting the lymph or bone marrow. Under the Warnings section, we are told that anyone currently with or who has a family history of convulsions, cerebral injury, or “any other condition in which stress due to fever should be avoided.”

Again, I hope doctors are always neutral on this issue because u cannot hide the fact that every technique has its own pro and cons. They have complications too. Please dont deny the sudden death cases due to vaccination. I am not surprised that the medical establishment isn’t being upfront and honest with their patients. Plus our country doesnt have bodies to defend the victims of health procedures among rakyat marhaen.

Vaccine Injury is real. If not why the US govt set up The Vaccine Injury Compensation Program to pay to vaccine damage victims? Pls see here

TQ Shah. After making reports, what is next? Will our govt give compensation to the victims? We are talking about the medical procedures victims as a whole. There are hundreds or thousands cases out there due to wrong medications, surgery complications and doctors errors. Do they get help or being ignored just because they r poor? Are doctors good in prognosis ? They r human like us or God ?

o “TQ Shah. After making reports, what is next? Will our govt give compensation to the victims? We are talking about the medical procedures victims as a whole. There are hundreds or thousands cases out there due to wrong medications, surgery complications and doctors errors. Do they get help or being ignored just because they r poor? Are doctors good in prognosis ? They r human like us or God ?”Anti-Vaccine.

comment :Hundred or thousand? I think this is speculative figure isn’t?Perhaps you can show me the report of thousand.

Dear anti-vaccine and meme-vaccine,
I believe all doctors in KK knows because it is the policy to refer all cases of children with egg allergy to tertiary hospital like where I work for MMR vaccination.We get 2-3 cases in a week or two. These children are given injection of MMR under close observation . No problems, Alhamdulillah .
Having said that, I do not deny that AEFI is real but most are mild and resolves rather quickly.

i think its frustrating when doctors keep saying AEFI are mild and resolves quickly when the fact is there are a lot of bad cases where some of them are permanent and forces some parents to take unpaid leaves and pay a HUGE amount of money because their kid is sick due to the vaccination.. think about these parents, think how much they suffer after TRUSTING their doctor saying, hey vaccinations are completely safe.. when they struggle day-to-day taking care of their sick children.. its unfair… just because your kid didnt suffer its not OK to say its mild and not dangerous at all..

and to the other parents yang suka nak judge parents yg anti-vaccine – ask first what is their reason.. klu anak u sakit because of the vaccine .. i bet u’ll have a strong feeling towards vaccination also..

Salam Pn/Tuan Jgn Marah,
1.May I know what the AEFI that parents suffer and what the vaccine taken?
2. Did they make a report/complaint?
3. If yes, what the result of report/diagnosis, is AEFI due to vaccine or accidently occur after vaccine?

if your kid is sick , how “BIJAK” can u be in handling the situation? when it comes to your own kids, you get emotional. and in the middle of the worrying-sleepless nights, you are told “oh, puan, sila isi borang ni ya utk record” and whats the conclusion after that? nothing. you are left with taking EL every other day and get whisperers behind your back from your co-workers for taking too many leaves because of your childs condition..

your kid didnt suffer. alhamdulillah. other kids that suffered and saying, oh its mild and resolves quickly when in reality it doesnt? itu tidak adil.

dun think bad bout doctor,they are trying hard to force parent to get their kids get vaccine to have a herd immunity,means to protect who those CANNOT be vaccinated.they are some kids who cannot get vaccine due to many illness problem but not from the vaccine,allergies or something.If we do not have a herd immunity,all the disease like swine flu will spread again.dun judge doctor wrongly,they are doing their job.

how can you say dont judge doctor wrongly. their job also involves educating/informing the parents what are the possible effects of vaccination. not only the good of the vaccination, but also what might go wrong. let the parents decide. OR you expect the parents to educate themselves? read journals? since Mr Google is unrealiable most of the people here claim…

talk about herd immunity. i think its hard for parents yg anak dah dpt AEFI nak think about other kids when their kid is suffering from it .. call it selfish but you think what u will do if ur kid suffered from AEFI? you will still continue vaccine for ur child?

Dear Tn/Pn jgn marah please, i believe there is an attempt by mr/ms Shah in this trail trying to assist you if in fact you are in the position where your child is suffering from AEFI. in fact there are several other attempts to assist others as well. but i can see that you didn’t even answer his/her questions and tend to keep on venting your frustrations. are you here to seek help or just to amplify the “noise” within the trail. if your intent is the latter, this is just not the platform. file a complaint and let it be addressed accordingly, if it’s not, do it legally. same goes to the anti-vacs, qualified or not, handle it professionally. i pray that our brains could dominate our emotions. i know what it takes to earn a medical degree/masters and phd. if you do as well, you’d be more open minded and be able to acknowledge their expertise. else, is it the case of trying to look superior and genius (google or not) while hiding your own inferiority complex?

I think bukan gaduh but some of it sound like ‘that’. May All clear and purify our intention. I really appreciate for those in medical line to educate public regarding this vaccine or anything else related to modern medicine( allopathy or whatsoever).

I know it’s very difficult(=impossible) to medical officer/specialist do the explanation A to Z during your working day but let’s take proactive action to allocate sometime to write-down and piping your opinion and your knowledge in cyberspace with layman language as well injected with lil’ bit scientific word.

p/s: But please balance between family and internet, remember at home you are not doctor, ahaks…

I understand the dilemma and worries. But, I do feel that these issues needs to be tackled wisely. I am not biased in my opinion though a few of you believe so. Airplanes do crash but studies show that they are safer than traveling by road vehicles. Whenever we read or hear news on plane crashes, we do still take the plane don’t we? Because there is no alternative for us to reach our destination overseas, or that other means e.g by sea may take us way too long and the safety is questionable. Yes , we do feel sorry for those who died in the plane crash but do you go all out to prevent other people from taking the plane? Do the CEO of whatever airplane company highlight the crashes? It involve lives after all right ? Because, the chances of plane crash happening is so small. It does happen but the majority of times , it does not . Just a very simple analogy. So, in any decision we make, weigh the benefits and risks. And , when we are at lost , pray to Allah for guidance. Yes, It’s that simple.

Having said that , correct information is vital. Some of you read the insert and may be worried of the ‘less common’ adverse events and feel the need to highlight those facts. If it was a secret , it would not have been printed on the insert! But I choose to highlight the fact that the diseases are real because they are of concern, and cover some of the common worries about vaccines that most parents have. I haven’t covered all aspects of vaccinations, yes I know , it is supposed to be a simple, not ‘too long’ article.

Again, vaccines are generally safe. Generally. We acknowledge AEFI and if anyone does have any adverse event , file a report. Someone mentioned about the MMR vaccine and egg allergy. We know that (and yes the KK doctors knows…duhhh :) ) and took measures to make sure that the kids are safe when and after the injections are given, hence done in tertiary hospital. But the fact is, in most countries and in UK, close observation is no longer needed because further studies have shown that IT IS safe. The MMR vaccine is cultured on chick embryo, not the egg white or yolk. Therefore, those with egg allergy are safe to take MMR vaccines. I see them so often. I have not seen any problem with it so far ! Yes, perhaps some do have AEFI but if the number is small comparatively , why hide the bigger fact. The mild fever or rash , should not hinder you from protecting your children against diseases with a more serious complication , which again may or may not happen to your children but they exist and still pose threats as they have not been fully eradicated. Small pox had been eradicated, therefore it is not in the immunization schedule. If we are able to eradicate these diseases , soon they will be taken out of the immunisation schedule as well. But , sadly , it is on the rise. So please, weigh the risk and benefit.

I do not wish to argue with some of you here, especially not in this holy month, but, I am against misinformation and misguidance. Seeing children die, parents crying and regretting, many times in my life due to action they took based on what other people say is what prompted me to say yes when Dr. Halina asked me to write on this topic. It is always a challenge when it come to preventive medicine, as decisions are made by parents when children are well. When a child gets really sick, do you question the chemicals in antibiotics, paracetamol, cough syrups? Do you question the fact that they dont have a HALAL logo? Do you say that doctors are biased because they dont tell you the side effects of the medicine your child needs while he/she is fighting for his /her life? All they say, ‘please do your best doctor’. And that what we are doing or trying to do,- our best. And, trying our best also means sharing facts. We take this as ‘amanah’. The rest is in Allah’s hand.

This will probably never ends. Reading most of the comments here, I must say that I feel much relieved that majority believe in the importance of vaccinations.And yes, I agree that we doctors could do better in providing you information, explaining about adverse effects, brief you on what to expect and improve on awareness of how to deal w AEFI. It is a big topic and I hope that we can provide you more information in the future.I do want to reply many of the comments here because they are all pertinent questions but I ended up scrolling down and reading the comments every time I click on Halina’s blog and gosh , that took so much time. :P

I believe in educating and empowering parents because then my job gets easier ..haha. Really , is is almost impossible to spend time with parents talking about this when so many kids are waiting to be seen for treatment.

So much for a Friday break :)

I pray that all of your children , vaccinated and unvaccinated alike, to be protected by Allah at all times from the burden of diseases. May Allah guide us in every decision we make in our lives.

I’ve noticed that this topic has led to many debates and arguments among the readers of of barelysupermommy. What saddens me is the mentality that some of the readers of this blog/post have. I am not pro-vaccine, nor am i anti-vaccine. But i am pro common sense. Dr Zah and Dr Halina are simply playing their part to help educate the general public regarding this issue. It is unfair for some to argue that Dr Zah’s opinions are biased as these are the things she’s learnt through 6-7 years of medical school + her experience as a doctor. Believe me, not all of us are cut out to go through years of learning. As doctors they are constantly learning, and all they are trying to do is give back. Dr Zah mahupun Dr Halina tidak memaksa pun kalian semua untuk bersetuju dengan pendapat mereka, they are simply expressing their opinions, just like all the anti-vaccine moms have been doing through commenting. People are entitled to their own opinions, after all it is a free country, and people need to learn to respect that. There is no need to get emotional, and there is definitely no need to launch personal attacks against Dr Halina just to prove your point. It is silly and childish. In order to educate ourselves efficiently, we need to start with an open mind. Weigh in the pros and cons (hopefully not just through google) and decide carefully. At the end of the day, every parent want the same thing; the best for their child/children.

I guess u have so much free time to do all research and googling aroung. During ur varsity years, never at once ur lecturer warned not to copy-paste directly from google, even from any journal ? I guess that’s not the question anymore, but being solely reasearch from google said medical students were just ‘memorizing’ is so much unfair. My husband’s family different background of medical student and Alhamdulillah they succeed after so much of sufferings in their study. So becareful of ur choosing of word..

As a matter of fact, Doctors do need to memorize a lot of things, but with understanding. Memorizing things should not be considered shameful, as there are thousands of classification, staging, signs, symptoms, eponymous clinical names that requires memorizing.

Doctors also do research, we occasionally use Google as well to look for journals, and just like everyone in this age, we receive an abundant of information. But what is the difference? Doctors are taught to validate the information, either it is a true information or a false information by scientific deduction, statistical testing, or experience alone. A housewife who researches may not know that what is told to her is false, especially when there is a big name quoted, like prof emeritus who in the real world may just be a flight attendant or a medical school drop-out. But a good doctor would usually be able to tell through the content. Even the great Wakefield who tried to make a profit out of a seemingly legitimate research was caught red-handed actually trying to commit fraud. Caught by a group of dedicated doctors.

A housewife with no academic qualification, can NEVER be at par unless she enters medical school or enters clinical training. Can you learn and work as an oil refinery engineer with Googling? Can you repair your own television (Major Damage) with Googling? Can you repair a car with Googling? No, you must be trained. That is why in handling human lives, we must be more thoroughly trained. Even that at times, do not suffice.

Of course an anti-vaccine supporter is fearless of the consequences because they have yet to see polio, congenital rubella, CA cervix, etc. happening to their loved ones. A doctor, most of the time have either experienced the difficulties in treating such cases, or have been taught of such cases. So, they fear for their patients.

Actually if people think of it, not vaccinating actually profits doctors. People not immunized will develop advanced diseases, and treating them will be costly to patients, profiting doctors. A polio patient will be admitted for long periods, and will develop multiple complications, and each treatment will usually profit the doctor. Complications will also cause drug companies to develop more drugs, profit them also. So, why do you think doctors still try to advocate vaccination? Because they sincerely care, not for their ego, but for their patients.

If Homeopathy and Allopathy cures cancers, then they should already be super rich. Millions die per year. A definite cure will surely profit them. But it doesn’t seem like that. Mostly just so-so, a few just ok, the rest come and go. Not even a single country use them as a mainstay treatment, incorporated into their health ministry budget. Why? Because they don’t work.

But I am not surprised if anti vaccinators are actually homeopathy or allopathy vendors. Defaming vaccines so that they can sell their stuff.

As doctors we have nothing to gain. We can just keep quiet, vaccinate our family members and ignore this trend of anti vaccinations and “alternative medicine”. More people will fall sick, private GPs will see more patients, private hospitals will receive more admissions, and government doctors will still come home after work or join private, drug companies will have more opportunity to develop more drugs, funeral services having more business. But we do not do that. Why? We fight something that actually benefits us economically. As my teachers always remind me, always ask why?

Because a doctor’s knowledge is to serve the best interest of his patients, not himself.

Whatever happens, doctors win. Because in the end, either we’ll be waiting in the clinic to give you vaccines or drugs, have more patients to learn from if more people fall sick, wait in the Hospital to treat you, figure out how you died through post mortem, or do a study since so many have fall sick and probably win a Nobel prize.

Saya juga seorang doktor…let us think and try to see things like what Allah wants us to see. How come disease are so common nowadays?Is all those germs really dangerous? Can we doctors teach patient on how to boost immune system so that they can face any germ in their life rather than inventing vaccines day by day? How many germs are there in your surroundings?and they do mutate…think!!!Just learn how to boost your intelligent-body immunity….Believe me, we are not thaught on how to do this in medical school….so , you still don’t believe in the Zionist agenda?

Dr. Abdullah, I hope you are a MEDICAL DOCTOR, not a homeopathic, ayurvedhic, or traditional and complimentary “doctor”. I am not sure what you meant by “seeing things like what Allah wants us to see”, but I am rather surprised your medical school did not explain on the questions you asked. Please allow me to try to answer them.
1. How come diseases are so common nowadays:
-People live longer, previously people die out of cholera or some infectious diseases, now the numbers reduced
-Feasibility of transportation, travelling long and short distances. HIV was believed to be from Africa, a mutation of the Simian Immunodeficiency Virus, SARS transmission through people travelling, outbreaks, etc.
-Introduction of new hazards: nuclear, ionizing radiation, complex hydrocarbon, mercury, etc.
-Now we know how common. Previously due to restrictions in communications, statistical evicdence is scarce.
-And perhaps a thousand other more reasons

2. Are those germs really dangerous:
-Depends on which bacteria, fungus, virus, or prion you’re talking about. I am surprised a doctor asks of this. This is basic microbiology, man.

3. Can we doctors teach patient on how to boost the immune system rather than creating vaccines
Yes, doctors are doing that. We advocate healthy eating, regular exercise, not to take antibiotics for mild infection, do not abuse drugs, do not have unprotected random sex, etc.

But you cannot prevent polio in a baby through that. That is where the idea of vaccines is valid. They are meant to provide some degree of immunity to susceptible age groups: babies, elderlies, post splenectomy, the immunocompromised. How would you expect somebody who lost his spleen from an accident to protect himself from meningococcal meningitis? Eating carrots? Vaccines also do not target ALL diseases, they target diseases difficult to treat but preventable through vaccination, like hepatitis B, Polio, Rubella, Meningococcal, Pneumococcal, etc. Enlighten me on how YOU prevent meningococcal in elderly going to endemic areas? Wear an oxygen tank?

4. How many germs are there? and they mutate.
Many, of course. Yes they mutate. Some we can adapt on our own, some we treat with antibiotics, some we create vaccines. So what if they mutate? We’ll just have to keep on trying. That’s why doctors work in research areas and epidemiology.

5. We were not taught to boost our body immunity?
Are you joking? They didn’t teach you that? Which medical school is that? They didn’t teach you nutrition, risk factors to get infection, the high-risk groups? Doctors are taught that. Even nursing schools and paramedic colleges teach that.

6. You don’t believe the zionist agenda?
Personally, I think the Zionist agenda is to create distrust in all good things created by anybody, like vaccines, library, cars, technology, etc. so that they will be the only one to profit from using the good things in life compared to Muslims or non zionists, and to make people trust in bad things like spreading rumors, border-less sex, alcoholism, dirty politics, war, drug abuse and what not. People become paranoid of all things with proven benefits like modern medicine, vaccines and antibiotics, and make people trust scam like homeopathic or “complementary” drugs which until now is not proven to cure anything (as a standard clinical practice). Yes, I do believe the zionist agenda, but most importantly, I know what it is through common sense, and not some mythical tales told from aggrandizing neighbours.

Hi ordo…great answer for a totally puzzled minds..this is what they exactly wants to be there in every Dr’s brain..
Healthy eating?you really know about it?How come Dr still crazy for MD,Burger King?
Do you know about free radicals and how it disrupt your cell membranes?You know what can even alter your DNA?
Listen..in every field there are certain things that they want you to know and certain things that they don’t want you to know.
If you choose to read only your so-called reliable source of information, then you are done with it…
Of course i’m a medical doctor…please wake up doctors!!!!!!Why are we standing in this field and being satisfied of not having cures for diabetic..hypertension…autoimmune dis…cancer…and we claimed that we are scientific?
Try to read about GMO..monsanto..glyphosate roundup…you see..they feed us with poison..a slow acting one…even your wheat is n ot safe…sorry..i’m a little emo…but it is so sad fou us to sacrifice our time waking up at night to take care of the diseased one..and they are the one who create the disease…

Haha. Are u a real medical doctor ‘Dr Abdullah’?. Sorry no offense. I just feel your answer sounds so like people who selling ‘supplements’ that can cure all kinds of disease or MLM doctor (doctors who are doing direct selling or MLM). I dont get clear picture of what you are trying to convey here. I believe if u are a true medical doctor perhaps u can give a better, precise and clear message of your thoughts just like Dr Filzah and ordo and few other drs who did commented on this thread. Provided with true and distinct evidence. Please enlighten us. Thank you.

I have suspected all along, but that is the problem. Nowadays homeopaths, ayurvedhic, chiropractitioner and complementary medicine practitioners are using this dr title and obviously some uneducated fools would belive them.

Haha..ordo don’t be too harsh to ‘dr abdullah’. I believe he did not undergo horrible medical school exposure and terrible life in housemanship to sustain that kind of judgement and sadistic comment..hehe.. Anyway I could not agree more to what u said. True medical doctors would not say rubbish thingy. We were trained to be honest, knowledgeable and profesional. We do not tolerate lies, any conflict of interest or emotional and non intelectual discussion. No offense again to dr abdullah. Thanks. And wassalam ;)

Good job mr.Hisham rauf,
See people there are conspiracies, and the conspiracy is true.
Once again you show to all this doctors how to use youtube wisely.Medical school need to offer 3-4 credits for youtube subject.

Quote “dr”abdullah: “Do you know about free radicals and how it disrupt your cell membranes?”
interesting that you mentioned this. as a medical doctor, you should know what is the real mechanism of “free radicals”. sounds like you are one of those supplements/vitamins seller promoting no-free-radicals-no-sickness. owh well, i bet you are so familiar with cancer-related cases after consuming long term high dose antioxidants.

Perhaps he slept during the lecture regarding free radicals, oxygen dependent mechanisms of immune cells, etc. Singlet oxygen, supraoxide anions (another words for free radicals, attention layman or bogus doctors) are used by our own cells for antibacterial actions. Perhaps you would enlighten us how using NADPH these are formed, Abdullah? How on earth did you pass immunology and say all that?

This is my point again. People may be fooled by such claims, those who think they can be better than doctors by googling and ”research”. People like Abdullah here may claim to be doctors and claim this and that, saying he as a doctor is against immunisation or modern medicine, and people will start to quote him and his pseudoscience.

My advice to you Abdullah, if you really are a doctor, you should read your books, all of them. Perhaps a couple of rounds. If you’re not, stop instilling fear to the zionist agenda and actually acting like a zionist. Come clean.
Have some dignity and pride of your own identity.

I Am sure we all muslims here…the pseudoscience is science that is not in line with sunnatullah…the real science is in line with sunnatullah.Islamic teaching is already complete according to prophet Muhammad pbuh…maybe after ordo being so arrogant of expelling the facts that he claimed to be true science, he can now try to reads Quran and hadits regarding health. Then compare both systems. You do not need study to prove Quran and hadits is true,,They are just like the real truth from the creator of the universe. The mistake that we made is that we know the fake science first before we know the truth science..then we tend to say that the truth one is the fake one…this is the

Assalaamualaikum doc. Tqsm doc on ir really informative article! Recently, I’ve been added to a group in fb ‘Our Healthy Unvaccinated Baby’ (OHUB) n I’ve been reading a few articles n stories on why parents shouldn’t vaccinate their babies. It’s stuck in my mind and i’ve been very miserable ever since as my baby is 2mo and had to go for the 3serangkai. I went to the clinic to get the jabs feeling ‘guilty’ that i was doing my baby wrong. I discussed the issue with my husband n he wasn’t very happy with the OHUB group ‘findings’. I talked to my mum n mil n they both told me that it was ok to continue with provided vaccines. I read about articles on effects of vaccines that the group wrote n quoted n clearly the group have absolutely zero knowledge on what they were talking about. I’m very (u have no idea) happy after reading your article above. N feel greatly relieved that i didn’t after all did my baby any wrong. Tqsm doc. U shud translate your article to Malay so that other mommies cud read it too. Tq again doc! So sorry for the long ramble! Wassalam.xx

Issue regarding to vaccine or not, is currently become a hot debate.I totally agree with the saying clean water, good sanitation system, eat good foods. Certain questions are still remain. Try to look this picture more globally, that means, involve countries, neighboring countries and then zoom too smaller scale. Have you ever heard the term of health inequality? Just put that statement into a larger scale. Some countries are not able to practice or implement proper healthcare systems probably due to poverty, war, poor economic performance, the keyword is, do they have enough resources to maintain adequate or good healthcare system in their society. People will go out from poverty by means of traveling to neighboring town, state, even to the nearby countries. Besides that, they bring along diseases and start to spread that diseases to other population. Global transmission in a larger scale. Between health and wealth, this people that is fundamentally poor, will do anything to survive and try to gain wealth with all means and think less of their illness that could harm others. So vaccination is an alternative so far (not absolute option) to combat this scenario. If healthcare system is equally distributed to all regions in this world, then I think theoretically possible not to vaccine but practically achievable with very minimal percentage.

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