There really isn't one, which is probably why you won't find much on the topic.

I've not read a book or heard a sermon that really touches on the topic. I think it's safe to say the CoE is a more current-time, rather then end-time, oriented Church. At least that has been the historical tendency.

There really isn't one, which is probably why you won't find much on the topic.

I've not read a book or heard a sermon that really touches on the topic. I think it's safe to say the CoE is a more current-time, rather then end-time, oriented Church. At least that has been the historical tendency.

+Shamasha

Shlama akhi Paul,

thanks for the quick reply! that is very interesting to me. obviously the Church awaits the 2nd Coming, but as to the particulars of how/when, i'm concluding it is somewhat vague?

are there any personal thoughts you might feel safe to share on how you would view it panning out? i'm curious because The Revelation really does a *good* job in wrapping things up, you know (minus all the headaches via interpretations), so i've wondered if the CoE position or general take was more closer to the Hebrew views of the akharit hayamim? i'm leaning more and more to the acceptance of the verified "apostolic authority of inspiration" of the Eastern Peshitta canon, and so i'm curious how the end is viewed without the W5 as entirely necessary.

Most of the Apostolic churches do not delve into end time prophecy and philosophy, this is because we are to worry about now as Christ in His humanity declared that he didnt know the day or the hour of His return.

I concur with what Akhan Alan mentioned. It's not really a focus or even a thought in the church.

The CoE is closer to the command that we go and baptize the nations. Not to worry about tomorrow while there is work to do today. And we go out to preach, not scare the dickens out of people. There's plenty of that going around these days.

All churches of course look forward to the Second Coming, the resurrection from the dead, and the Judgement Seat of Christ. Some are just focused on that, unfortunately, to the detriment of our main duties. In that sense, you might consider the CoE close to the Jewish concept of the latter days. It's there, but not a focus.

I concur with what Akhan Alan mentioned. It's not really a focus or even a thought in the church.

i really think you're right that some people overemphasize on this, but one should not forget that it was a big topic in the old and new testament, and that significant portions of scripture have been devoted to the end times in daniel and revelation.

i do realize you don't usually use revelation, but even Paul talked a lot about it, as well as Jesus.

thanks for the responses, Paul and Alan. i know that endtime teaching is a BIG focus in Protestant / Evangelical circles, so i was curious to see what different conclusions might have been reached without the influence of The Revelation, but i guess i'm outta luck!

and yes, the Hebraic perspective does place emphasis on the Days of Messiah / World to Come to some degree, but not as much as our brothers in the Protestant / Evangelical faith.

Some have suggested that it's precisely because of the lack of the book of Revelation in our canon, that there is not so much of a focus on the eschatological side.

When it is spoke of, briefly, our understanding is based on the relatively short passages about the topic in the book of Mattai and the epistles of Paul and Peter.

Daniel is not really focused on as the patristic references reveal an understanding based more on completed events in the history of the nation of Israel.

Don't think there is much more to say on the topic. Again the church tends to want to spread the Good News, not the Bad News. <!-- s --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/wink1.gif" alt="" title="Wink" /><!-- s -->

Some have suggested that it's precisely because of the lack of the book of Revelation in our canon, that there is not so much of a focus on the eschatological side.

When it is spoke of, briefly, our understanding is based on the relatively short passages about the topic in the book of Mattai and the epistles of Paul and Peter.

Daniel is not really focused on as the patristic references reveal an understanding based more on completed events in the history of the nation of Israel.

Don't think there is much more to say on the topic. Again the church tends to want to spread the Good News, not the Bad News. <!-- s --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/wink1.gif" alt="" title="Wink" /><!-- s -->

Shlama,

ah, yes, i view most of Daniel as being fulfilled, as well.

i'm definitely more interested in sharing the Good News, of course, tho i suppose you could look at the "Bad News" as what it takes to ultimately reach the culmination of the Good News. just an optimistic way of looking at it! <!-- satisfied: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/satisfied.gif" alt="atisfied:" title="Satisfied" /><!-- satisfied: -->

I sometimes preach on the street, and talk about the jews going back to Israel, what,s happening in the world and then tell the people that Jesus already predicted all this in the bible. God knows the end from the beginning. I am a protestant though, that loves the peshitta.

sean Wrote:I sometimes preach on the street, and talk about the jews going back to Israel, what,s happening in the world and then tell the people that Jesus already predicted all this in the bible. God knows the end from the beginning. I am a protestant though, that loves the peshitta.

Your next step is going back to the Church that the Apostles established my friend.

I have a preteristic view when it comes to Revelation. But these are just my opinions. Out of Western Five, I think Revelation is the only book that had an Aramaic Original. But Original no longer exists. And I don't think Four Epistles in Western Five are written by Apostles. But by somebody else.

I think Revelation was foreshadowing Nero's attack on Christians, and the fall of Jerusalem Temple in 70 AD. Not exactly the end of the world. But the end of times for the people who lived in Jerusalem and also Christians who lived during that time. Nero had a nickname of "Beast." Nero was also called Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus, because his father's name was Domitius. This may explain why some Historians thought Revelation was written during the time of Emperor Domitian.

Since this book isn't part of Peshitta, I don't think I should explain more about Revelation in this thread.