Nate Hubbard, 27, a volunteer Big Red coach, went so far as to accuse the victim of making the whole thing up to excuse a night of excessive partying, “The rape was just an excuse, I think,” he told the New York Times.

“What else are you going to tell your parents when you come home drunk like that and after a night like that?” Hubbard asked. “She had to make up something. Now people are trying to blow up our football program because of it.”

Gee, and we get people like Edward Gemmer here all the time, telling us we are living in a post sexist society. Uh huh.

“What else are you going to tell your parents when you come home drunk like that and after a night like that?” Hubbard asked. “She had to make up something. Now people are trying to blow up our football program because of it.”

Odd how nobody ever asks of the men involved in incidents like this “What else are you going to tell everyone after you have drugged and raped a woman?” The presumption that the woman has a reason to lie about what happened but the men don’t.

A juvenile judge and a Steubenville county prosecutor have both had to recuse themselves from the case because of ties to the football team. Steubenville is a small town, the judge told the Times, “Everybody knows everybody.”

THIS says it all. “Everybody knows everybody.” “Everybody” are the men involved in the rape; the witnesses to it who did nothing; the cops, prosecutors and judges who tried to ignore it.
“Everybody” doesn’t include the 16 year old girl. She is apparently not a part of the Steubenville community. Nobody in Steubenville has to care about what happened to her or that she gets justice.
(To be fair, some people posted phone videos that substantiated her story – so there are some people in Steubenville who don’t think like that.)

Rothlisberger, Sandusky, the unnamed Notre Dame players, and countless others. I’m noticing a sickening pattern in football that just reinforces the sad truth of what happens to justice and women when money is involved.

But I do take issue with the article’s Point 8. There are many types of Men’s groups. I am in one now, have been in other groups in the past and have helped form Men’s Groups. Our main focus is on respect, confidentiality and growth. We don’t try to improve ourselves by appropriating other cultures.

We are Men who love women and who want to have better relationships with the women in our lives.

Not wild about the list, too many early entries are just sophistry, but I want to focus on #13, which is certainly not. Having helped several women recover from being raped, let me tell you guys in the strongest of terms: EVERY ONE OF YOU KNOWS A WOMAN WHO HAS BEEN RAPED. They simply choose not to tell you. Really. If you take nothing else from the list, take this. It’s common, its happened to people you know, and its not remotely funny.

But I do take issue with the article’s Point 8. There are many types of Men’s groups. I am in one now, have been in other groups in the past and have helped form Men’s Groups. Our main focus is on respect, confidentiality and growth. We don’t try to improve ourselves by appropriating other cultures.

We are Men who love women and who want to have better relationships with the women in our lives.

If the criticism doesn’t apply to you, then they’re probably not talking about you.

Well, a Type 15 commenter would get all bent out of shape about writing “winging” when you presumably meant “whinging”, but that may an artifact of the unnecessarily imposed impossibility of making private editing suggestions about such near-inconsequentia.