Sunday, November 13, 2011

The republicans debated foreign policy the other night, and, as is to be expected, there were some issues.

"WASHINGTON (AP) — Herman Cain contradicted himself on torture, Mitt Romney offered a prescription for challenging China that didn't add up and Newt Gingrich seemed to forget about crucial help by Pakistani intelligence in running down terrorists.

Factual missteps in the latest Republican presidential debate suggested that on some the knottiest foreign policy and national security issues of the time, contenders were out of their comfort zone. Several raised the prospect of an eventual war with Iran that the U.S., by any current measure, is ill-prepared to start.

A look at some of those claims Saturday night and how they compare with the facts:___ROMNEY on President Barack Obama and Iran: "What he should have done is speak out when dissidents took the streets and say, 'America is with you.' And work on a covert basis to encourage the dissidents."

GINGRICH: "First of all, as maximum covert operations — to block and disrupt the Iranian (nuclear) program, including taking out their scientists, including breaking up their systems. All of it covertly, all of it deniable. "

THE FACTS: It is widely believed that the Obama administration has been covertly attacking the Iranian nuclear program. By definition, covert action is not publicly acknowledged, so criticizing Obama for not doing something that he might very well be doing adds little to the debate. On just one front, there are strong suspicions the Obama administration either unleashed the sophisticated Stuxnet computer worm on Iran's nuclear program or supported Israel in that effort. The attack infected systems at the Bushehr power plant and set back Iran's nuclear development.

It is also believed the administration has provided secret help to Iranian dissidents, even if to little effect so far. Romney, Gingrich and most other contenders do not know what the U.S. is doing, and not doing, covertly. Michele Bachmann, as a member of the House intelligence Committee, might. If so, she's legally barred from talking about it.___ROMNEY on China: "On Day One, it's acknowledging something which everyone knows, they're a currency manipulator. And on that basis, we also go before the WTO and bring an action against them as a currency manipulator. And that allows us to apply, selectively, tariffs where we believe they are stealing our intellectual property, hacking into our computers, or artificially lowering their prices and killing American jobs. We can't just sit back and let China run all over us."

JON HUNTSMAN: "I don't think, Mitt, you can take China to the WTO on currency-related issues."

THE FACTS: As Huntsman, former ambassador to China, said, the World Trade Organization has no specified mandate to adjudicate allegations that a country is manipulating its currency to gain an unfair trade advantage. But using currency in a trade dispute hasn't been tried, so it's unclear how that might play out in practice.

Even if the international trade panel does take the case, any remedy would come long after Day One. As a highly political case, it would drag out. For example, the U.S. and European Union have been litigating a dispute over alleged subsidies to Boeing and Airbus since 2004, with no resolution in sight.Nor is it clear how a currency case could address the theft of U.S. intellectual property, an issue unrelated to the price of Chinese exports.___CAIN: "I will trust the judgment of our military leaders to determine what is torture and what is not torture. That is the critical consideration."

CAIN: "I would return to that policy (waterboarding). I don't see it as torture. I see it as an enhanced interrogation technique."

THE FACTS: Cain's conclusion that waterboarding is a legitimate means of interrogation contradicts the judgment of military leaders — and his own statement that he would be guided by them. The Army Field Manual prohibits waterboarding. It was the CIA, with the approval of the White House and Justice Department that conducted waterboarding, not the armed forces. As president, Cain could certainly decide that interrogators need not be constrained by the Army Field Manual rules. But if he did so, he would not be letting military leaders determine the tactics.___GINGRICH: "We don't have a reliable intelligence service. We don't have independent intelligence in places like Pakistan. We rely on our supposed friends for intelligence. They may or may not be our friends. And the amount of information we might or might not have, might or might not be reliable."

THE FACTS: U.S. killing of a succession of al-Qaida figures in Pakistan, none more prized by America than Osama bin Laden, demonstrates that the United States indeed gets vital and reliable intelligence out of Pakistan. While it may have been true when Gingrich left government in 1999 that the CIA's spy network was limited, since 2001 the agency has dramatically expanded its on-the-ground operations worldwide. The CIA station in Islamabad is now one of the most important in the world and officers there are responsible for building sources and helping select targets for the long and successful campaign of drone attacks.

Gingrich is right that Pakistan's intelligence agency is an often-unreliable U.S. partner and elements of the country's power structure have supported U.S. terrorist enemies. But as the bin Laden raid shows, the CIA is hardly impotent in its ability to operate alone in Pakistan.___ROMNEY: "The president should have built (a) credible threat of military action, and made it very clear that the United States of America is willing, in the final analysis, if necessary, to take military action to keep Iran from having a nuclear weapon."

GINGRICH: "Every possible aspect short of war of breaking the regime and bringing it down. And I agree entirely with Governor Romney. If, in the end, despite all of those things, the dictatorship persists, you have to take whatever steps are necessary to break its capacity to have a nuclear weapon."

CAIN: "I would not entertain military opposition.... We could deploy our ballistic missile defense ... warships strategically in that part of the world. We have the biggest fleet of those warships in the world. And we could use them strategically in the event that they were able to fire a ballistic missile."

THE FACTS: It is an open question whether the U.S., stretched thin by two long wars and a massive debt, is in a position to make a credible threat of war against Iran right now.

As it stands, U.S. plans to put additional forces in the Middle East, including in Kuwait, are part of a military hedge against Iran. So is a program to put missile defense radars and interceptors at sites around Europe and the region. The threat of U.S. attack might become more credible in time, whether from Obama or the next president.

Meantime, Obama, like George W. Bush before him, has not ruled out military action against Iran as a final resort.

The U.S. certainly has military force readily at hand to destroy Iran's known nuclear development sites in short order. This is highly unlikely, however, because of the strategic calculation that an attack would be counterproductive and ultimately ineffective, spawning retaliation against U.S. allies and forces in the region, and merely delaying eventual nuclear weapons development.___GINGRICH: "You're giving some country $7 billion a year. So you start off — or, or, in the case of Egypt, $3 billion a year. So you start off every year and say, 'Here's your $3 billion, now I'll start thinking'? You ought to start off at zero and say, 'Explain to me why I should give you a penny.'"

THE FACTS: In supporting Rick Perry's proposal to make every recipient of U.S. foreign aid justify the money before it is approved, Gingrich exaggerated the amount of aid the U.S. gives to Egypt. The Congressional Research Service says total aid to Egypt is about $1.5 billion annually.___BACHMANN: "Now President Obama has made a very fatal decision in Afghanistan. He's made the decision that by next September, our troops will be withdrawn. "

THE FACTS: By September 2012, Obama is only planning to withdraw the additional forces he sent in. Once the 33,000 "surge" troops are gone, 68,000 will be left. They are to be pulled out gradually and won't be gone until the end of 2014, barring some change in the drawdown of troops.___RICK PERRY: "This country can sanction the Iranian central bank right now and shut down that country's economy. And that's what this president needs to do, and the American people need to stand up and force him to make that stand today."

THE FACTS: Perry is right that sanctions have stopped short of tough action against Iran's central bank, which handles the country's massive oil commerce around the world. The debate moved on without the pros and cons of that step being explored. The option of banning U.S. and European dealings with the bank is being considered by Western powers and their allies, even if it is a stretch to expect such a move would shut Iran's economy as Perry suggested. The downside risk is significant: Isolating the bank could drive up oil prices and imperil the fragile world economy." [Source]

Those pesky facts always seem to get in the way of a good republican debate.

Oh well, it doesn't matter, the partisans will stand by their man- or woman- no matter what. Facts be damned!

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Field, why must you ALWAYS try to put down Republicans? Have you no shame? Herman was referring to the CIA, regarding waterboarding. Surely you can acknowledge that? Just because he said 'military' does not exclude the CIA. If anything, t was his intention to encourage cross-intelligence between the military and CIA, which has been sorely lacking under the Obama administration.

You need to get the facts straight before you go off on Herman. It is clear you have nothing but ill-will for Herman, a good decent honest man who wants to save America.

Did you hear Michelle "why is she still in the race" Bachmann say there's going to be a "world-wide nuclear war against Israel"? What the hell was she talking about? And why didn't the moderators challenge her on that craziness?

In watching the debate, I felt pride welling up in my chest as I watched with great interest the fabulous lineup of candidates for President. It brought tears to my eyes to know that any of them on stage had the capabilities of leading our great nation. Yes! we still have great leaders among us.

Field, you should be grateful and proud too instead of being an ingrate. When Cain becomes Prez I hope his first act will be to shut your two-bit lib racist blog down for good.

THE FACTS: By September 2012, Obama is only planning to withdraw the additional forces he sent in. Once the 33,000 "surge" troops are gone, 68,000 will be left. They are to be pulled out gradually and won't be gone until the end of 2014, barring some change in the drawdown of troops.

The Korean War ended in 1953 -- 58 years ago. There are still 30,000 US troops on the border between North and South Korea.

That's how these things work. We've still got a huge military presence in Germany and Japan.

Obama is merely punting the ball of troop withdrawal until the day he's out of office, which, if things go right, will be next year.

GINGRICH: "First of all, as maximum covert operations — to block and disrupt the Iranian (nuclear) program, including taking out their scientists, including breaking up their systems. All of it covertly, all of it deniable. "

How about a dozen cruise missiles into the government offices in Tehran.

~Conservative breaph Negroes, the Republicans and Herman Cain will not be able to return you to those halcyon daze of the 1950s (for some the 1930s) when whidtes, er uh, the US ruled the world and you coloureds knew your place:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfnBXVA3S5g

Herman Cain wants to return you culludz to the daze when he joyfully and gleefully ran to the back of the bus and used the coloured only water fountain and the coloured only out-house, so as not to disturb dhe whidte folks delicate sensibilities.

... The island now known as Saint Vincent was originally named Hairouna ("The Land of the Blessed") by the native Caribs. The Caribs aggressively prevented European settlement on Saint Vincent until 1719. Prior to this, formerly enslaved Africans, who had either been shipwrecked or who had escaped from Barbados, Saint Lucia and Grenada and sought refuge in mainland Saint Vincent, intermarried with the Caribs and became known as Garifuna or Black Caribs. ...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Vincent_and_the_Grenadines`

Holy shit, Field, I had NO IDEA that so many right-wing-nut-job trolls posted on your site. I cannot believe some of the comments!! They seem to believe that Pizza-man is gonna be president! AND, they seem to advocate violating your Constitutional right to free speech!! Oh, well. I guess if you don't agree with them, then you don't deserve ANY rights.....

~She was a career State Department employee who was working for the State Department in 1990 -- when Bush 41 was president -- you know, when the US went over there to kick Saddam out of Kuwait. Stooge.

She was following Bush'41s instructions, you ignorant stinking anal orifice!!`

The economy is shot, there are no jobs because they're all overseas, people losing their homes and their dreams, in this day and age in the "greatest" country people still without healthcare,etc.,etc., and they're talking up a smokescreen with all this bull&#)% about war and power struggles!!!

She was following Bush'41s instructions, you ignorant stinking anal orifice!!

Really? So in your little mind there was a benefit derived from luring Saddam into Kuwait, where he set the oil wells on fire, where we sent a hundred thousand troops, had them camp in the desert for six months, then set them loose on Saddam, ran him out of Kuwait, but didn't kill him, and then we spent several more months putting out the oil well fires.

Yeah, only a stooge like you would figure that a mess like that was the brilliant idea of someone in the US government.

The economy is shot, there are no jobs because they're all overseas, people losing their homes and their dreams, in this day and age...

If Obama wanted the economy to recover, he'd open up all the oil & gas territories in the US to drillers. That would put many many thousands of people to work in a hurry, and it would happen without a dime of government money.

IN any case, underground oil reserves are large and the oil does not know where the national boundary is.

Moreover, what you have described is a squabble over rights to underground oil reserves. Those disagreements are resolved diplomatically.

In fact, Iraq had borrowed $80 Billion from Kuwait to finance its war with Iran that lasted from 1980 to 1988.

Saddam decided it would be cheaper to annex Kuwait rather than repay the $80 billion. So he invaded Kuwait.

Saddam inquired of April Glaspie if the US would have any problems with Iraq attacking Kuwait; April Glaspie, reported back to Saddam from Bush'41, NO!!

That war was a fucking set-up, BISH!!

Only a stooge like you would believe that a huge, expensive and dangerous military mission undertaken by the US was the desired outcome of something that began as a refusal by Iraq to repay its debt to Kuwait.

"Holy shit, Field, I had NO IDEA that so many right-wing-nut-job trolls posted on your site. I cannot believe some of the comments!! They seem to believe that Pizza-man is gonna be president! AND, they seem to advocate violating your Constitutional right to free speech!!"

No they don't believe that Mr. 9-9-9 will be prez, but, like all wingnuts, they are not too bright.

"Good idea. But we already know he gave the green light to Fast & Furious. Therefore, he should resign."

Link please.

"What's wrong with waterboarding?"

Other than the fact that it's torture? I guess nothing. I take it you wingnuts don't believe in the three treaties and protocols of Geneva Conventions?

no slappz said...If Obama wanted the economy to recover, he'd open up all the oil & gas territories in the US to drillers. That would put many many thousands of people to work in a hurry, and it would happen without a dime of government money.

Desertflower said...So how come the previous administration didn't open up these territories for drilling either?-----------------They did, to the extent that they could, which is why U.S. production is as high as it is now.

It takes several years to go from exploration drilling to actual oil production.

Obama disingenuously takes credit for the high production today, which is based on leases granted years ago, during the Bush administration.

Meanwhile, future production will decline because no leases are being granted now.

Don't you remember The Bush Administration's efforts to open up Alaskan ANWR drilling areas being stymied by the democrat congress?

Obama has done everything he can to limit U.S. oil production. On top that, just this week, he put the Keystone pipeline, which would bring Canadian crude oil down to our Gulf of Mexico refineries, on hold until after the election in order to placate environmentalists. This means we will have buy more oil from the Middle East. Now Canada is exploring building a different pipeline to Vancouver to load tankers that will take the oil to China instead. And the tens of thousands of permanent jobs that go with this energy infrastructure are lost.

The economy is shot, there are no jobs because they're all overseas, people losing their homes and their dreams, in this day and age in the "greatest" country people still without healthcare,etc.,etc., and they're talking up a smokescreen with all this bull&#)% about war and power struggles!!!

WTF!"

10:30 PM-------------------------------------isn't this the way it always goes in America? We have scattered confused fearful minds and cannot stay with the problem. It's too scary and painful. We'd rather argue about shit that won't solve our domestic problems.

"Holy shit, Field, I had NO IDEA that so many right-wing-nut-job trolls posted on your site. I cannot believe some of the comments!! They seem to believe that Pizza-man is gonna be president! AND, they seem to advocate violating your Constitutional right to free speech!!"

Field lied, "No they don't believe that Mr. 9-9-9 will be prez, but, like all wingnuts, they are not too bright."-----------------------------------

Now, now, Mr. Field. You are not being very nice or smart are you?

You know fully well that the reason the Conservatives are here is because WE ARE EVERYWHERE! We see and know everything, and we know that many of you Liberal black Dems are thinking real hard about WHO you are going to vote for in 2012...that is those of you who vote.

And Conservative Blacks know our people and we KNOW a lot of our folks won't be voting for Obama. It's going to be Herman Cain. You know it and I know it, brother. And what's with your regular IDs talking like we don't have a right to be on FN? Hell, we ARE Field Negroes. THEY are the HNs.

Times are changing Field. The zeitgeist of the times is CONSERVATIVE. Nobody is interested in that immoral liberal progressive shit anymore. Why? Because it doesn't work!

My dear brother Field, I have been trying to help you and some of your cronies for years, but you are one stubborn Jamaican, along with Miss PR out there in the middle of the ocean with her three hungry ass dogs.

But I must say, you still have the best blog in America. It's the only place where we all can meet where black Conservatives can recruit lost black souls like you and Desertflower.

Anyway, I am thinking we Black Conservatives 'might' build a statue to you as an honorary Conservative brother....next to MLK statue in DC. I say Conservative Blacks because everybody knows that Black Liberals ain't got no money to build anything.

Would you like for us to honor you with a beautiful bronz statue that will still be standing long after you are gone?

The trolls and the GOP are phoning this one in. It's almost like they have given up. They repeat silly talking points and send in the D team to run against Barack. I also like the conservative mantra if you repeat something enough times people will believe it so our guy keeps telling us the reason Cain won't win the nomination is because he had cancer and is over 60. Ha! How many trailer park dwellers A. know his age and B. know he had cancer. GTFOH, that useful idiot is only around to make the candidate field a bit more colorful so Hannity and his ilk can proclaim from the highest mountain they are not racists. It is right about the nomination being Romney's to lose but once people start finding out how nutty Mormonism really is with the magic underwear and all he won't play in Peoria.

"He'll fade in the primaries. At this point the Republican nomination is Romney's to lose."

Uhhhhhhhhh, guys shoud we inform our friend that it just contradicted itself? Pop quiz why are the two statements above contradictory? The winner gets a to attend the GOP convention er I mean comedy festival. Well, you heard it first from Slappz, four more years!I don't like this new Slappz, it's like it isn't even trying anymore.Field, last time, get better trolls!

~In her first televised interview ever, Gloria Cain, wife of Republican presidential hopeful Herman Cain, sat down with her husband and said that the allegations of sexual harassment against him don’t square with the man she knows. ...http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/post/gloria-cain-speaks/2011/11/13/gIQAP16yIN_blog.html?hpid=z2

Anonymous said... My dear brother Field, I have been trying to help you and some of your cronies for years, but you are one stubborn Jamaican, along with Miss PR out there in the middle of the ocean with her three hungry ass dogs.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Ahahaha! I'm still up working on a cake that's due tomorrow, but it's time to sleep now!~! :D

Desertflower, "Ahahaha! I'm still up working on a cake that's due tomorrow, but it's time to sleep now!~! :D"

You make cakes for people? How much do you charge for a cake? I would like to order a PR Cake Special, to be shipped to LAA in the VIs. And while you are at it, would you mind including some tacos from Taco Bell with the order?

There aren't any Taco Bells nearby in the VIs and I want to save her a trip by plane to PR. And please put "from Anony, Merry XMAS" on top of the cake.

PS. don't send any cakes that looks like a desert flower. They don't have any deserts in VIs.

Who is this "troll" policeman who calls himself PilotX? Man it seems all he knows to say over and over again, "Field you need to upgrade your trolls".

Hell, he needs to upgrade his mind so he can come up with something new. I have not seen one troll here tonight. Everyone...'except' PilotX... has posted something we all can learn a great deal from. In fact, the Conservative posts proved to be so rich tonight that it has been mind blowing. These soulful Conservatives have added a new colorful dimension to FN blog that should make Field proud and happy to be able to have watched the Republican debate between such bright skillful politicians.

And likewise, he has attracted great Conservative minds here tonight unseen before on any other blog. Mr. Field, let me be the first to congratulate you. Congratulations, you deserve it!

"No they don't believe that Mr. 9-9-9 will be prez, but, like all wingnuts, they are not too bright."

White Republicans are too racist to vote for Cain. They are using him as their racial leverage boy for sake of talking points. Talk is cheap, when they go to the polls they will show their true colors.

When Cain possibly loses by a landslide, they will flip the script and blame liberal whites for being racist, and liberal blacks for being too stupid to not know how racist liberal whites are suppose to be.

My, my. I just don't understand why those liberal FN Negroes keep telling themselves that the GOP is using Cain, --that he won't get the nomination when in reality he is out front?

They refuse to believe what is happening is 'really' happening! How do you talk to Black Liberals who refuse to accept things they way they are? But that's what Liberal FN Negroes do. Later, when they find out they were wrong, they will blame the system, but they will never admit they were wrong. I mean, look at Field: he still hasn't made his run on Broad St. and he "gave his word" he would if he was wrong! Just goes to show you how much the "word" of an Obamaholic is worth....ZERO.

I wonder what will they say when Cain "gets" the nomination? Why is it that some Negroes talk down Cain as if they were racists against a black man?

" can't believe the Ford Theatre banned Bill O'Reilly's book. This country has lost its mind."

Field replied, "Yes, it has. The fact that O'Reilly has a number one selling book is proof of it."---------------------------Don't you think you are being unfair to Bill? I am reading his book now and I must say it is one of the best books I have ever read.

BTW, he was on the view, and even they were raving over his book. What do you have against an upright man like O'Reilly?

A new witness in the Herman Cain sexual harassment scandal has hired powerhouse attorney, Gloria Allred, and will be holding a press conference on Monday afternoon in Shreveport, Louisiana, RadarOnline.com is exclusively reporting....The new witness is a pediatrician, and a former boyfriend of Bialek's. The doctor was with Bialek when he met Cain. Bialek told her then-boyfriend that Cain had inappropriately touched her shortly after the alleged incident took place in Washington D.C. Cain has said, "I don't even know who this woman is."...http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/11/gloria-allred-holding-press-conference-with-witness-herman-cain-sex-scandal`

NBC is to announce on Monday morning that it has hired Chelsea Clinton to become a full-time special correspondent for NBC News....http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/14/business/media/chelsea-clinton-hired-by-nbc-news.html`

how is anything listed better than what hobama has done????...will do????

If Obama, makes the case for war and terror even after having consulted with Bill Kristol and his ilk, most progressives will go along with whatever he says without question, complaint, or protest. If as in the case of Libya, the dirty deed is done without a loss of American lives, as the president bragged after Gaddafi was killed by a raging mob, then so much the better. “Without putting a single U.S. service member on the ground, we achieved our objectives, and our NATO mission will soon come to an end.”

Americans love wars if they are short and sweet, don’t result in coffins covered by Old Glory, and are waged for what they consider to be noble motives. Obama got the evil tyrant routing down perfectly, and helped people who think of themselves as do gooders to justify their support for the horror inflicted upon Libya.

Perhaps it isn’t surprising that the man who is president at this momentous point in history would be a person who changes politics in such a negative way. The influence of money, the death of black politics, and the end of the financial system as we know it combine to insure that the person who emerges at the top of the political heap will be an unmitigated disaster. The question is, will we rise to the occasion and call him what he is.

Maybe you're so delusional you forgot that there had been a $25 MILLION Reward for information leading to the capture of Osama bin Laden.

Well, the offer of $25 million yielded nothing. Get it? Paying people to talk failed. But the option was there.

No one in Pakistan -- our purported ally -- dropped the dime on bin Laden.

On the other hand, we caught Khalid Muhammad and we caught a few others, we tortured them and they talked. After a while, the information extracted by torture enabled US intelligence agencies to connect the dots and locate bin Laden.

Without torture, bin Laden would still be living his life, protected in Pakistan.

Meanwhile, even though bin Laden is dead, every time I go to the airport, I still have to go through the security check. Thus, the death of bin Laden has done nothing to make travel more pleasant.

field negro said...BTW, it has been proven that it doesn't work. Where have you been for the last five yars? Planet Wingnut?--------------Waterboarding worked. Ask Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who graciously shared very valuable information that led directly to stopping terrorist activities after a waterboarding session.

The public and provite scenarios are both legitimate. Capture a terrorist who knows where a bomb is set in a school, but won't tell. Would you sanction government torture to get the informaiton if it meant saving hundreds of children?

Waterboarding was done on a grand total of three very high value suspects: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Abu Zubaydah, and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, in 2002 and 2003. All three were very bad men who had done some very bad things. All three are alive and well today and residing at Camp Gitmo.

La♥audiobooks said... "No they don't believe that Mr. 9-9-9 will be prez, but, like all wingnuts, they are not too bright."

White Republicans are too racist to vote for Cain. They are using him as their racial leverage boy for sake of talking points. Talk is cheap, when they go to the polls they will show their true colors.

When Cain possibly loses by a landslide, they will flip the script and blame liberal whites for being racist, and liberal blacks for being too stupid to not know how racist liberal whites are suppose to be.

This is liberalism at it's finest. One of the ones attacking Cain and calling him a dumb nigger Tom is predicting that he will lose and when he does that people will "wrongly" say it was because of the attack of stupid Blacks and the ones who own and direct them the rich white liberal masters. Now, how can you predict that people will say precisely what you are doing and blame them in advance of stating the truth as if they haven't already been saying it?

Obviously Np Slappz, like most conservatives, does not check facts before spouting talking points. Bet, it goes away for a while and then pretends this never happened. Let's share a few facts shall we? If, according to Slappz, Americans won't elect a prez over the age of 60 what does that mean? Obama will win because the only GOP candidates under 60 are Jon Huntsman Jr., Michele Bachmann and Rick Santorum. For the record Pretty Mitt is 64, that's a long way from "about 55". Jeezus, do wingnuts even know that we can read/hear what they've said in the past? Wow, slappz, your game used to be a little tighter.

A political lifetime has elapsed since Barack Obama’s election. Bailouts and big-government have yielded to tea parties and deficit angst. Gallup’s ideological identification survey registered the highest percentage of liberals in its history the year of Barack Obama’s election. Gallup’s most recent ideological identification survey registered its highest percentage of conservatives since the inaugural 1992 poll. Between the 2008 survey and last year’s, conservatives have gained seven points vis-à-vis liberals. To know liberalism isn’t to love it.1. It’s Still the Economy, Stupid

The Misery Index, popularized by Governor Carter to hound President Ford only to be President Carter​’s undoing, haunts Democrats again. The combined unemployment and inflation rates are at their worst level in twenty-eight years. The stock market has just spent six weeks in the red. The GDP grows at an anemic rate of 1.8 percent. The housing market has been in shambles for five years, and seems to be double dipping. Debt approaches GDP. Flat-lining and nose-diving trend lines make the president’s reelection precarious. Even a browbeaten Bill Daley, the president’s chief of staff, conceded to an incensed National Association of Manufacturers convention, “Sometimes you can’t defend the indefensible.” He said it.

Barack Obama is a formidable campaigner. His presidency is not without accomplishment (see, Osama bin Laden). And occupants of the White House have lost general elections just five times in the last hundred years. But he has governed ineffectively and stubbornly against the wishes of the American people. He could win reelection. But the preponderance of indicators suggests his defeat. This should make conservatives hopeful for change

Twelve-year-old African-American student and Bronx native Justus Williams was named the youngest black national chess masters champion in the country.

Nicknamed the “Lebron James of chess,” Williams’ chess-playing skills have taken him to Brazil and Canada. He is not alone in his victories, however. Two other black 12-year-olds - Joshua Colas and James Black Jr. - joined Williams as masters champions, but Williams’ victory was the first. The young black chess masters have competed against champions ranging in age - up to over 50 years old.

Obviously Np Slappz, like most conservatives, does not check facts before spouting talking points. Bet, it goes away for a while and then pretends this never happened. Let's share a few facts shall we? If, according to Slappz, Americans won't elect a prez over the age of 60 what does that mean? Obama will win because the only GOP candidates under 60 are Jon Huntsman Jr., Michele Bachmann and Rick Santorum. For the record Pretty Mitt is 64, that's a long way from "about 55". Jeezus, do wingnuts even know that we can read/hear what they've said in the past? Wow, slappz, your game used to be a little tighter.

Yeah and dat ass o yours used to be tighter too..it ain't anymore whats your point chickenhawk...do you do anthin but talk shit? Anything positive to say? OF course not there is no positive in your life, your positiveness is ignoring your own shit and looking for someone else's blemish ..try keegles it works for the women who cry all the time like little bitch's, not sure how it would handle a human hemmorhoid like you though

Twelve-year-old African-American student and Bronx native Justus Williams was named the youngest black national chess masters champion in the country.

Nicknamed the “Lebron James of chess,” Williams’ chess-playing skills have taken him to Brazil and Canada. He is not alone in his victories, however. Two other black 12-year-olds - Joshua Colas and James Black Jr. - joined Williams as masters champions, but Williams’ victory was the first. The young black chess masters have competed against champions ranging in age - up to over 50 years old.

It's always newsworthy when something incredibly unusual and never before experienced has happened. Why has it taken so long for a token to shirk the actin white guilt and actually accomplish a thinking activity? Is he an anamoly of the black mind?

"One of the ones attacking Cain and calling him a dumb nigger Tom is predicting that he will lose... "

Anony 10:57 am, I stated a theory that I suspect will eventually materialize based on the previous political/racial patterns of Republicans. You are the one making direct accusations that can easily be disproved. I have never called Cain a "dumb nigger Tom", or any other derogatory name for that matter. In fact I would never call another black person a "nigger", especially for your satisfaction.

What you stated was an exaggerated psychological projection based on your own inner thoughts about black people. I don’t recall anyone else calling Cain such a vile name. Furthermore, I consider myself neither Republican nor Democrat, fyi.

You know, I have asked you this question before, but you never answer... Are you an actual adult?

Let's share a few facts shall we? If, according to Slappz, Americans won't elect a prez over the age of 60 what does that mean?

Until 2008, US voters had not elected a senator to the presidency.

However, in 2008, when both the Republican and Democratic candidates were Senators, it was obvious electoral history was about to change.

Inasmuch as Romney is older than I thought, it's obvious that being under 60 will play a lesser role.

Perry is 60, Romney is 64. Huntsman is a long, long longshot and Bachmann is not a viable nominee.

Hence, the Republican nominee is going to be between 60 and 65.

Moreover, the Republican nominee will have held elective office and the nominee will be a candidate who has not had cancer.

As for whether Obama gets re-elected, well, his record is so bad that he knows he's in trouble.

He has failed to lead the economy to higher ground and he has failed to improve the national mood.

The Occupy Wall Street crowd spends its time spreading the message that incumbents are bad and that they take billions of dollars from lobbyists. Occupy Wall Street is getting a lot of media coverage, none of it good for Obama.

Many young voters will not vote for Obama or the Republican nominee. They will stay home on election day.

Historically, there have been some 40 bona fide black chess masters. Further, there are many more black senior masters than most people realize. Most players, black or white do not even realize that back in the 1850s there was a formidable black problemist. He was an African-American by the name of Theophilus Thompson, who put together a book of chess problems (albeit not a very good one, to the taste of bookseller Fred Wilson). Copies of the book are rare.

On the forget-me-not list is K.K. Karanga, the young African-American genius (literally) who made it before trudging off to study at Yale. It is not clear whether it was he or Howard Daniels who became the youngest African-American to make U.S. master. But, let's not get too far ahead of this fascinating story.

In 1963, America was on the verge of a cultural explosion that would touch our lives and alter its very social fabric. Even in the world of chess, with its then exclusive clubs and its odd assortment of esoteric warriors, a minor revolution had taken place. America produced its first black chess master. His name was Walt Harris, an unassuming, dedicated scientist who for some years worked at the U.S. Naval Observatory in Washington, D.C., the nation's capitol and a strong urban chess center.

~CNN Poll: Gingrich Surges to Tie Romney; Cain SlidesBy Steven ShepardUpdated: November 14, 2011 | 12:44 p.m. November 14, 2011 | 12:14 p.m.Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich sit atop the GOP presidential field, according to a new CNN/ORC International poll released on Monday that also shows businessman Herman Cain's support beginning to fade.Romney leads Gingrich in the poll, 24 percent to 22 percent, a significant surge for Gingrich, who was at just 8 percent a month ago. Romney, meanwhile, has slid two points, down from 26 percent in mid-October.Cain is in third place, but he has fallen to 14 percent from 25 percent a month ago....http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/cnn-poll-gingrich-surges-to-tie-romney-cain-slides-20111114?mrefid=election2012`

La♥audiobooks said... "One of the ones attacking Cain and calling him a dumb nigger Tom is predicting that he will lose... "

Anony 10:57 am, I stated a theory that I suspect will eventually materialize based on the previous political/racial patterns of Republicans. You are the one making direct accusations that can easily be disproved. I have never called Cain a "dumb nigger Tom", or any other derogatory name for that matter. In fact I would never call another black person a "nigger", especially for your satisfaction.

What you stated was an exaggerated psychological projection based on your own inner thoughts about black people. I don’t recall anyone else calling Cain such a vile name. Furthermore, I consider myself neither Republican nor Democrat, fyi.

You know, I have asked you this question before, but you never answer... Are you an actual adult?

What exactly is it when you call a Black man a Tom a compliment? Why when you hate this man not for what he stands for but for being Black and standing for the things he does makes him a Tom and not you? You and your liberal rich white masters are the ones going all out to attack him by calling him racist, jigging, Tom and yes I have heard dumb coon, nigger and the like. NOW you predict you will be held accountable for your actions - and somehow think this lets you off the hook because you predict it and will be able to twist it and blame someone else.

You have never asked me a thing but I will tell you, I am a responsible self accountable adult. Are you? Hiding behind the very thing you use - name calling and hateful rhetoric. Disgusting. When in doubt - play the victim.

Oh and that theory of your's is pretty astute; conservatives already blame you for the very thing you ARE DOING right now. Lynching a Black man, whithout proof because he is living proof you dont need to be victim and rely on your rich white liberal masters to take care of you just because they tell you that you are black and incompetent. So be scared - he has changed the theme.

Bill Bakken said...Don't you remember The Bush Administration's efforts to open up Alaskan ANWR drilling areas being stymied by the democrat congress?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Yes I do vaguely remember something of the sort, because I don't pay too much attention to politics anymore.

It just seems to me that no one in politics really cares about the countrys weel being anymore. Just warring and gaining oil and power.

Anonymous said...You make cakes for people? How much do you charge for a cake? I would like to order a PR Cake Special, to be shipped to LAA in the VIs. And while you are at it, would you mind including some tacos from Taco Bell with the order?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I can do one better, I can make her a cake in the shape of a Taco Bell burrito or taco or whatever she likes from there!

Anony 3:36, are you unable to comprehend basic English? For the last time I am not a Republican, nor a "Democrat/liberal", I do not have white masters and I have never called Herman Cain out of his name. Are you hearing voices? Would you prefer pig Latin?

" I would like to order a PR Cake Special, to be shipped to LAA in the VIs. And while you are at it, would you mind including some tacos from Taco Bell with the order? '

LOL. How did I miss this. Wise Anony, you are so sweet. Thank you. Our VI mail has to go through PR anyway (but please pay DF first, don’t let her send the cake COD. :)

The Keystone Pipeline project was expected to create up to 1,000,000 high-paying US jobs in the oil refining, petrochemical, and associated industries. The project itself would create 20,000 construction jobs.

But Obama, for purely political reasons, refused to sign the Keystone agreement last week. Today Canadian Prime Minister Harper told Obama that he would look to Asia to sell its oil:

Canada’s prime minister says he made it clear in a meeting with U.S. President Barack Obama that Canada will step up its efforts to sell oil to Asia since the Obama administration delayed a decision on an oil pipeline.

As Obama's crony-capitalist, green energy boondoggles fail one by one, and wind and solar technology is shown to be not ready for prime time, this will mean we have to buy more oil from the Middle East. And more jobs will go to China.

It is absolutely clear Obama is trying to destroy our economy. No one is this dumb.

The Keystone Pipeline project -- as designed -- would have used the Quanta Services corporation of Houston to build much of the line.

Quanta said the project would require 13,000 employees -- people who earn high wages for their labors.

Of course there would be many permanent employees to maintain and operate the pipeline.

Clearly Obama is out to destroy the country.

If the day comes during his administration that solar power is actually forced on American consumers, then the price of sunny land on which solar panels are placed will jump, which will make the price of electricity from the sun even more expensive.

Currently, the price of solar energy is equal to oil if oil were $500 a barrel.

"White Republicans are too racist to vote for Cain. They are using him as their racial leverage boy for sake of talking points. Talk is cheap, when they go to the polls they will show their true colors."

FOR REAL.

Uncle Herman ran for Senator from Georgia and was leading in the polls up till election time.

Then got trounced.

Come to think about it, when has a black Republican won statewide anywhere at the top of the ticket?

One more question.

Has Slappy or any of the anon-goobers EVER VOTED for a black Republican candidate?

" Occupy the White House said...The Keystone Pipeline project was expected to create up to 1,000,000 high-paying US jobs in the oil refining, petrochemical, and associated industries. The project itself would create 20,000 construction jobs.

But Obama, for purely political reasons, refused to sign the Keystone agreement last week. Today Canadian Prime Minister Harper told Obama that he would look to Asia to sell its oil:

Canada’s prime minister says he made it clear in a meeting with U.S. President Barack Obama that Canada will step up its efforts to sell oil to Asia since the Obama administration delayed a decision on an oil pipeline.

As Obama's crony-capitalist, green energy boondoggles fail one by one, and wind and solar technology is shown to be not ready for prime time, this will mean we have to buy more oil from the Middle East. And more jobs will go to China.

It is absolutely clear Obama is trying to destroy our economy. No one is this dumb.

"I can do one better, I can make her a cake in the shape of a Taco Bell burrito or taco or whatever she likes from there!

But it'll cost you :D"

Don't worry about the cost, just bill me. Actually, I thought since the holidays are around the corner, you would do it for free in the spirit of XMAS. But I see you missed part of your Catholic upbringing about "giving".:D

Nevertheless, as soon as LAA lets me know she received the cake, 'the check will be in the mail.'

I like the cake in the shape of a taco...make that a Supreme Taco! Oh boy! LAA is going to be sooo happy. Laa, don't forget to send a slice of cake to no_slappz...afterall, Hanukkah is coming.:)

~...Zuckerman stated that Bialek had met with Cain after losing her job in the late 1990's and "when she returned, she was upset. She said that something had happened and that Mr. Cain had touched her in an inappropriate manner. She said she handled it, but didn’t want to talk about it any further. I respected her request."

Notably, Zuckerman claimed the issue had not been raised since, but that when the first report about the allegations against Cain were published he called Bialek to find out if she was one of the accusers. She wasn't. Zuckerman then said he recommended Bialek get in touch with Gloria Allred.

Zuckerman also noted he was a registered Republican, had filed for bankruptcy, and finished by asking the press to stop calling his office....http://www.businessinsider.com/gloria-allreds-herman-cain-boyfriend-accuser-2011-11http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/post/victor-zuckerman-gives-press-conference-with-gloria-allred-on-herman-cain/2011/11/14/gIQA1U5OLN_blog.htmlhttp://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2011/11/herman-cain-accuser-gloria-allred-news-conference-/1`

uts, "Has Slappy or any of the anon-goobers EVER VOTED for a black Republican candidate?"

Of course. I have done it quite frequently.

uts-"If so, who?"

Now, why should I tell you? This is America where Voting is a confidential matter. But I can tell you this: in 2012 I will be voting for Herman Cain. And that should be ample proof of Republicans voting for Blacks.

"Have you heard of Michael Steele, JC Watts from Oklahoma? I could go with a longer list, but I'll give you time to digest and google those two."

Lt. Governor and congressman is not STATEWIDE AT THE TOP OF THE TICKET you freakin idiot."

See? this is why Republicans refuse to discuss matters with name-calling Liberal black Dem fools like you. You don't know how to have an intelligent conversation with intelligent Republicans because you are an out-of-control ghetto maniac living in the burbs. You remind us all on FN of Black Beverly Hillbillies...only worse!

"You negroes cheering the character assasination of a black man are sick MF's, singing all the live-long day down on the plantation."

Field-"What "black man"?

"But Obama, for purely political reasons, refused to sign the Keystone agreement last week."

Field-"Good for him".-------------------------------------Field, You should be an ambassador for civil intelligent dialogue but you are encouraging anarchy while the Conservatives are genuinely being civil and fair.

"What exactly is it when you call a Black man a Tom a compliment? Why when you hate this man not for what he stands for but for being Black and standing for the things he does makes him a Tom and not you? You and your liberal rich white masters are the ones going all out to attack him by calling him racist, jigging, Tom and yes I have heard dumb coon, nigger and the like. "

As if you'd give a raccoon's ass about what names are being directed towards a black man or any other black person. I can sniff reverse psychology on top of racial exploitation from a mile away. You are fooling no one.

'Laa, don't forget to send a slice of cake to no_slappz...afterall, Hanukkah is coming.:)'

I dunno. No-slappz once said that he's always seeing black women on the subway reading "trashy novels", and he said that black women are always in the "bars" trying to pick up men. No-slappz sure pays a lot of attention to black women in odd places.

"What exactly is it when you call a Black man a Tom a compliment? Why when you hate this man not for what he stands for but for being Black and standing for the things he does makes him a Tom and not you? You and your liberal rich white masters are the ones going all out to attack him by calling him racist, jigging, Tom and yes I have heard dumb coon, nigger and the like. "

As if you'd give a raccoon's ass about what names are being directed towards a black man or any other black person. I can sniff reverse psychology on top of racial exploitation from a mile away. You are fooling no one.

Methinks that smell is coming from an orifice that is a lot closer to you. Brush those "liberal" teeth lately?

Anonymous said...Don't worry about the cost, just bill me. Actually, I thought since the holidays are around the corner, you would do it for free in the spirit of XMAS. But I see you missed part of your Catholic upbringing about "giving".:D~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Ahahahaha! Sure "the old "spirit of holiday giving" line. and the old "check is in the mail" line ahahahahaha.

I get it but you contradicted yourself.So Slappz make it easy for me, do you mean you were mistaken that America won't elect someone over 60 or you're saying Obama will win. Which is it? Romney is 64.

Also curious what the next excuse is on why Cain won't get the nomination because he's just 1 year older than Romney. And don't get testy with me, you're the one who stated your so called "facts" that turned out to be (shock of all shocks) wrong. Answer my questions.

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