Do you know how hard you have to stab yourself to make an Epi Pen work? Seriously, they give you a "trainer" pen without a needle, and the instructions involve the words "swing your arm around with force".

I still have bruises from the damn trainer pen. I've not needed to use my actual Epi Pen yet, but I'm fully aware that it's not just a little pin prick. It's a punch with a needle at the end.

Gedanken experiment: Daily Mail has 63 headlines in one day about attacks made with weapons other than firearms. How many times can the same joke and the same logo be greenlit consecutively before the farkularity occurs?

To The Escape Zeppelin!:Would an epipen do anything to you if you weren't already having a reaction to something? It can't be good for you but would it really do anything?

Epinphrine is a neurotransmitter your body makes. It is the same thing as Adrenaline. Epinephrine does a shiat load of things in your body. The basics are that your body shifts from resting/digesting mode to fighting/moving mode. Your heart beats faster, your lungs dilate, your arteries constrict (which prevents the swelling that an anaphylactic reaction would cause that would kill you), it releases glucose (so your body can make energy) into your blood stream.

So, our body is constantly using ephinephrine and other hormones and neurotransmitters to regulate most body functions. So it would really do something. I'm not sure if it is particularly bad for you unless you have specific heart defects/conditions- it is my understanding that it can kill these people.

FTA:"Peacock continued to stand his ground: He pushed, kicked and struggled with the officers as they tried to subdue him and take him into custody. As the arresting officers grappled with him, Peacock grabbed a detective's holster as if he were trying to take his gun from him, the release stated,Peacock was finally subdued and taken into custody. He was transported to a hospital to be checked out before being hauled to the slammer.He is charged with three counts of Fraud, Grand Theft, Resisting Arrest and Assault."

Florida law confuses me. If Peacock was standing his ground, how can he be charged with resisting arrest? I thought that once you were standing your ground all bets were off. Is it because he only reached for the gun and didn't actually shoot/kill the cop that he is in trouble?

RogermcAllen:FTA:"Peacock continued to stand his ground: He pushed, kicked and struggled with the officers as they tried to subdue him and take him into custody. As the arresting officers grappled with him, Peacock grabbed a detective's holster as if he were trying to take his gun from him, the release stated,Peacock was finally subdued and taken into custody. He was transported to a hospital to be checked out before being hauled to the slammer.He is charged with three counts of Fraud, Grand Theft, Resisting Arrest and Assault."

Florida law confuses me. If Peacock was standing his ground, how can he be charged with resisting arrest? I thought that once you were standing your ground all bets were off. Is it because he only reached for the gun and didn't actually shoot/kill the cop that he is in trouble?

Stand your ground doesn't apply if you are in the process of committing a crime or are resisting the lawful commands of a law enforcement officer.

The article used "stand your ground" so many times, its hard to think that there isn't some implied agenda on the part of the author.

spidermilk:To The Escape Zeppelin!: Would an epipen do anything to you if you weren't already having a reaction to something? It can't be good for you but would it really do anything?

Epinphrine is a neurotransmitter your body makes. It is the same thing as Adrenaline. Epinephrine does a shiat load of things in your body. The basics are that your body shifts from resting/digesting mode to fighting/moving mode. Your heart beats faster, your lungs dilate, your arteries constrict (which prevents the swelling that an anaphylactic reaction would cause that would kill you), it releases glucose (so your body can make energy) into your blood stream.

So, our body is constantly using ephinephrine and other hormones and neurotransmitters to regulate most body functions. So it would really do something. I'm not sure if it is particularly bad for you unless you have specific heart defects/conditions- it is my understanding that it can kill these people.

Is this stuff similar to the pen they distributed when our troops were going up against Saddam's massive reserves of nerve gas? (Heh.) Seems like they said that if you used it... and you weren't getting nerve gassed IT would kill you. (Quick get this man some nerve gas or else he'll die!!!)

spidermilk:Wait, so did he give himself the epinephrine in an effort to Hulk out? Epinephrine = Adrenalin. Sounds like it didn't work out. Should have tried PCP if he wanted to go down fighting the cops.

spidermilk:To The Escape Zeppelin!: Would an epipen do anything to you if you weren't already having a reaction to something? It can't be good for you but would it really do anything?

Epinphrine is a neurotransmitter your body makes. It is the same thing as Adrenaline. Epinephrine does a shiat load of things in your body. The basics are that your body shifts from resting/digesting mode to fighting/moving mode. Your heart beats faster, your lungs dilate, your arteries constrict (which prevents the swelling that an anaphylactic reaction would cause that would kill you), it releases glucose (so your body can make energy) into your blood stream.

So, our body is constantly using ephinephrine and other hormones and neurotransmitters to regulate most body functions. So it would really do something. I'm not sure if it is particularly bad for you unless you have specific heart defects/conditions- it is my understanding that it can kill these people.

zamboni:spidermilk: To The Escape Zeppelin!: Would an epipen do anything to you if you weren't already having a reaction to something? It can't be good for you but would it really do anything?

Epinphrine is a neurotransmitter your body makes. It is the same thing as Adrenaline. Epinephrine does a shiat load of things in your body. The basics are that your body shifts from resting/digesting mode to fighting/moving mode. Your heart beats faster, your lungs dilate, your arteries constrict (which prevents the swelling that an anaphylactic reaction would cause that would kill you), it releases glucose (so your body can make energy) into your blood stream.

So, our body is constantly using ephinephrine and other hormones and neurotransmitters to regulate most body functions. So it would really do something. I'm not sure if it is particularly bad for you unless you have specific heart defects/conditions- it is my understanding that it can kill these people.

Is this stuff similar to the pen they distributed when our troops were going up against Saddam's massive reserves of nerve gas? (Heh.) Seems like they said that if you used it... and you weren't getting nerve gassed IT would kill you. (Quick get this man some nerve gas or else he'll die!!!)

No. It sounds like that is something caled Mark I NAAK which contains neurotransmitters I'm not really familiar with. IANAD. If they give you something that speeds up your heart to counteract a nerve agent that has slowed your heart then it can speed up your heart too fast. The heart doesn't fill and thus it can't pump- and you die. I don't know how nerve gas or the antidotes work, but that is just an idea of why it might kill you if you took it without the nerve gas.

spidermilk:zamboni: spidermilk: To The Escape Zeppelin!: Would an epipen do anything to you if you weren't already having a reaction to something? It can't be good for you but would it really do anything?

Epinphrine is a neurotransmitter your body makes. It is the same thing as Adrenaline. Epinephrine does a shiat load of things in your body. The basics are that your body shifts from resting/digesting mode to fighting/moving mode. Your heart beats faster, your lungs dilate, your arteries constrict (which prevents the swelling that an anaphylactic reaction would cause that would kill you), it releases glucose (so your body can make energy) into your blood stream.

So, our body is constantly using ephinephrine and other hormones and neurotransmitters to regulate most body functions. So it would really do something. I'm not sure if it is particularly bad for you unless you have specific heart defects/conditions- it is my understanding that it can kill these people.

Is this stuff similar to the pen they distributed when our troops were going up against Saddam's massive reserves of nerve gas? (Heh.) Seems like they said that if you used it... and you weren't getting nerve gassed IT would kill you. (Quick get this man some nerve gas or else he'll die!!!)

No. It sounds like that is something caled Mark I NAAK which contains neurotransmitters I'm not really familiar with. IANAD. If they give you something that speeds up your heart to counteract a nerve agent that has slowed your heart then it can speed up your heart too fast. The heart doesn't fill and thus it can't pump- and you die. I don't know how nerve gas or the antidotes work, but that is just an idea of why it might kill you if you took it without the nerve gas.

During a training, one of my coworkers accidently injected themselves when they held the epi pen upside down during a practice injection. They had to go to the hospital and got no end of ridicule for as long as I knew them.

AngryDragon:RogermcAllen: FTA:"Peacock continued to stand his ground: He pushed, kicked and struggled with the officers as they tried to subdue him and take him into custody. As the arresting officers grappled with him, Peacock grabbed a detective's holster as if he were trying to take his gun from him, the release stated,Peacock was finally subdued and taken into custody. He was transported to a hospital to be checked out before being hauled to the slammer.He is charged with three counts of Fraud, Grand Theft, Resisting Arrest and Assault."

Florida law confuses me. If Peacock was standing his ground, how can he be charged with resisting arrest? I thought that once you were standing your ground all bets were off. Is it because he only reached for the gun and didn't actually shoot/kill the cop that he is in trouble?

Stand your ground doesn't apply if you are in the process of committing a crime or are resisting the lawful commands of a law enforcement officer.

The article used "stand your ground" so many times, its hard to think that there isn't some implied agenda on the part of the author.

I've never had to use my epi-pen but I've had it used on me by paramedics before and the sensation is not pleasant. When I was showing the manfriend my trainer pen, he was very reluctant to hit me hard enough with it that it would actually make the click noise signaling that the jab was sufficient to release the medication in a real scenario.

spidermilk:To The Escape Zeppelin!: Would an epipen do anything to you if you weren't already having a reaction to something? It can't be good for you but would it really do anything?

Epinphrine is a neurotransmitter your body makes. It is the same thing as Adrenaline. Epinephrine does a shiat load of things in your body. The basics are that your body shifts from resting/digesting mode to fighting/moving mode. Your heart beats faster, your lungs dilate, your arteries constrict (which prevents the swelling that an anaphylactic reaction would cause that would kill you), it releases glucose (so your body can make energy) into your blood stream.

So, our body is constantly using ephinephrine and other hormones and neurotransmitters to regulate most body functions. So it would really do something. I'm not sure if it is particularly bad for you unless you have specific heart defects/conditions- it is my understanding that it can kill these people.

Oldiron_79:Actully the US has tighter controls on epipens than Canada, EU, Japan, etc. They require a prescription in US they are OTC elsewhere.

I'm in Canada, and need a prescription.

In relation to the article, you would need to have altered the epipen somehow to be swinging it around with a needle sticking out. The spring loaded delivery system covers the needle the instant after it injects the medicine. It isn't hanging out of the device at all, ever.

My son injected himself in that quick, silent way that little kids get into shiat that they're not supposed to. Had to go to the hospital to monitor his crazy high heartbeat. It went down after about 45 minutes. The injection site was extremely painful and bruised. It constricts the blood vessels at the site a lot. The most common epipen injury is someone hitting their fingers or palm trying to inject someone. Worst case scenario you could lose a finger due to the circulation being cut off for too long.