Batman V Superman Ultimate Edition is a much, much better cut of that film than the cinema version was. Also, it is now 2.5 hours. That isn't too long for a movie like this, Dark Knight was about that length, as have a few of the marvel films been too. Given how much better this is, and how many little niggling plot details it clarifies or outright eliminates, why did the original actually get released like that. I liked this film as the cinema cut, but I would say this was a significant improvement. However, for those that really didn't care for the film, this isn't a cut that will change opinions (imo).

Saw the extended cut at a friend's home theater a couple months ago and none of us really cared for it, so I am really glad I didn't see it in the theater.

I agree with you about Guardians being the best though. I would put the first Avengers movie right up there with it and I rate Deadpool slightly ahead of Civil War, but they are all great movies.

There are aspects of the UC that make the movie better but for a few people I know it doesn't touch on their issues with the movie.

unfortunately, the lack of success of BvS will impact the DCCU for a number of movies. WB & DC are failing atm to get a grip on the universe. they've started flawed and they're not doing a good job of fixing the flaws.

The biggest problem facing DCCU right now is simply the characters they have chosen to focus on themselves. For one there is no reason batman needed rebooting and they could have rolled the previous version right into the greater universe without any issues. They've simply replaced the best characterisation of batman in film history with a far less popular one for no reason.

Secondly the B-grade heroes of aquaman, the flash and Android will never be popular. They're simply far too generic.

Wonder woman they have done well and I can't wait for her movie to come out. If only they had retconned her stupid rope away. The music score is simply incredible Imo so that will make up for it in a way.

And superman they stared great but old habits die hard and they're ruining him already. The big selling points of current superman were that it was darker and grittier and didn't involve kryptonite... Then after one single movie they've added kryptonite and given him ptsd from the one single battle he was involved in so that he is now a far softer more forgiving superman just like the old one that nobody liked.

DC simply can't seem to stick with an idea and are chopping and changing all over the place which ends up just seeming like they made it up on the fly.

What a pile of absolute f**king horsesh*t. I'm actually annoyed that I didn't turn it off after the first hour (at which point it felt like it had been about 4 hours). I usually think it sounds like a bunch of pretentious wanky bullsh*t when someone says a film "fails on many levels" and things like that. You know what, I get what they mean.

We had a bunch of bad guy characters that they tried to make into kinda good guys. Deadshot kills people and can sleep easily at night. But it's okay, he doesn't kill women and children and wants to look after his kid so he's a good guy really. Except he f**king kills people for money. I get they might not want to try a villain protagonist.We had a plot with horrific pacing - we also had scenes with horrendous pacing within them and tones that jumped about a fair bit.We had characters that felt wholly inconsistent.We had action scenes that generally felt like one action scene just reshot in different locations.The introduction and establishing of characters was done really poorly.The constant use of pop songs made me feel like someone on the Suicide Squad team saw how Guardians of the Galaxy did their muysic and tried to emulate that. But rather than carefully chosing music and moments, they just clusterf**ked in as much as they could.Captain Boomerang basically did nothing for the plot and served no real purpose. The cast of characters was already quite large... did we need him at all?I'm not sure the premise even made sense. Did the Suicide Squad really do much that a team of special forces couldn't have done? Maybe fighting the Bro-chantress at the end but the rest of it. Sending in special forces would seem more sensible. Do you need deniable soliders for a mission like that? It's not like it was a covert operation when an entire city got f**ked up before they even went there.

I could probably write a thesis on how bad that film was. I shudder to think what someone who is actually into film would be able to say about it. I'm actually angry that I spent over 2 hours of my life watching this bollocks.

As for DC. I stand by Man of Steel and Batman vs Superman (extended edition at least) as actually being pretty good movies. I'm probably about as pro-DC as you are likely to stumble upon without going looking for it. And I'd avoid this film desperately if I could. I don't know if this was just craply done to begin with or if the big-wigs ordered changed and edits and reshoots that screwed it up, but this film was awful. I hate to be that fat angry guy bitching about a film on a message board (especially since it's a film thats been out on home media for a while and it's an F1 message board) but I'm quite tiddled off that I watched this. It's not the worst film I've ever seen but it wasn't worth the time or the money.

Last film I got tiddled off at for wasting my time was the never ending King Kong film that Peter Jackson made.

LMAO, that was a great summing up of a film that I haven't actually watched cause I turned it off after 30 mins!!!

I think it's odd how marvel have got their films spot on compared to DC, but the Marvel tv shows are no where near as good as the DC ones! The only Marvel tv show I watch is Agents of shield. Got bored with Agent Carter almost straight away in season 2 and have only finished the first season of Date Devil from all the Netflix Marvel shows, got bored of the rest half way through the first seasons and never got into season 2 of Date Devil. But I watch Flash, Arrow, Super girl and Legends of tomorrow every week without fail that it's on, 4 really good tv shows imo.

And just to give King Kong a bit of credit, if you skip every scene set in New York at the start and end, it makes a nice film! Looking forward to Skull Island.

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To be fair to Captain Boomerang, he was played by Jai Courtney, and managed to not be the worst part of the film. Then again, a film that casts Jai Courtney tends to be awful. Divergent, Die Hard 5, Terminator Genesys, Suicide Squad. It's a very poor resume for an up and coming actor.

Changing the subject, I recently saw Rogue One. It's just incredible. Not just as a Star Wars film, but just generally as a film.

The biggest problem facing DCCU right now is simply the characters they have chosen to focus on themselves. For one there is no reason batman needed rebooting and they could have rolled the previous version right into the greater universe without any issues. They've simply replaced the best characterisation of batman in film history with a far less popular one for no reason.

Secondly the B-grade heroes of aquaman, the flash and Android will never be popular. They're simply far too generic.

Wonder woman they have done well and I can't wait for her movie to come out. If only they had retconned her stupid rope away. The music score is simply incredible Imo so that will make up for it in a way.

And superman they stared great but old habits die hard and they're ruining him already. The big selling points of current superman were that it was darker and grittier and didn't involve kryptonite... Then after one single movie they've added kryptonite and given him ptsd from the one single battle he was involved in so that he is now a far softer more forgiving superman just like the old one that nobody liked.

DC simply can't seem to stick with an idea and are chopping and changing all over the place which ends up just seeming like they made it up on the fly.

Haven't watched BvS yet but it's clear to me that the only thing resembling the Frank Miller comic is indeed the fact Batman and Superman fight against each other, because it picks up from a completely different point than the comic. In the comic, it's actually Superman who's called by the White House to stop Batman's rampage, and Superman himself is not a factor until the story is close to the end, as opposed to the film which seems to show Batman's reaction to the existence of a near-god in his world.

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Haven't watched BvS yet but it's clear to me that the only thing resembling the Frank Miller comic is indeed the fact Batman and Superman fight against each other, because it picks up from a completely different point than the comic. In the comic, it's actually Superman who's called by the White House to stop Batman's rampage, and Superman himself is not a factor until the story is close to the end, as opposed to the film which seems to show Batman's reaction to the existence of a near-god in his world.

I think it makes more sense in the wake of Man of Steel to flip it because there is no backstory to show Batman's mindset to set up TDKR's story. There is an easter egg in BvS that teases the death of Jason Todd, which would have made an amazing story arc in the darkverse that Zack Snyder is intent on giving us.

So I was about to go to my bed earlier, when I saw Netflix had Terminator: Genisys up. I rather wanted to see this but ended up not seeing it at the cinema and forgot about it.

Not a bad film. Probably the 3rd best in the series*. As for this film, I liked the somewhat fresh take, though their time travel shenanigans was a bit nonsensical (somehow moreso than you'd expect for made up science). Arnie was pretty good. Of the 3 main actors... he was the best. I feel like the two other mains were just signed for being handsome face six pack man and pretty face boobs woman. Mileage may vary on that. My friend recently raved to me about how good Matt Smith was in this film. He's in it for about a minute. I have a huge soft spot for Smith due to his time on Doctor Who, but I fail to see how the role he had had the content or the screentime to really make any impression. The way my pal spoke about it, I expected Smith to be hugely involved. Also, they are talking to Skynet before anyone gets nuked. They don't try and even ask about a potential peace? After all, Skynet simply knows that the humans are coming to kill it according to what it's told and the events that transpire. Humans agree not to kill it, surely Skynet has no real yearning to destroy humanity? Not really a subplot you want in your explode-y action movie, but to some degree I do end up thinking that the humans are the dicks. Then again, might well have killed the pacing entirely. Also, not an MRI technician but I did love that the MRI had a huge start stop button (stop button I can fully understand) and an analogue knob to turn it up! Maybe that is how they do work in hospitals, but seemed off to me.

Of course, every single Terminator film suffers in comparison to the rest of the series due to the sheer and utter brilliance that was T2. T2, imo, is quite probably the best action film I've seen. Arnie at his best, huge action sequences, a plot that wasn't all that convoluted. Damn, T2 is f***ing great. Wish T2 was on Netflix as my old DVD of it is at my parents house from when I still lived with them.

So I was about to go to my bed earlier, when I saw Netflix had Terminator: Genisys up. I rather wanted to see this but ended up not seeing it at the cinema and forgot about it.

Not a bad film. Probably the 3rd best in the series*. As for this film, I liked the somewhat fresh take, though their time travel shenanigans was a bit nonsensical (somehow moreso than you'd expect for made up science). Arnie was pretty good. Of the 3 main actors... he was the best. I feel like the two other mains were just signed for being handsome face six pack man and pretty face boobs woman. Mileage may vary on that. My friend recently raved to me about how good Matt Smith was in this film. He's in it for about a minute. I have a huge soft spot for Smith due to his time on Doctor Who, but I fail to see how the role he had had the content or the screentime to really make any impression. The way my pal spoke about it, I expected Smith to be hugely involved. Also, they are talking to Skynet before anyone gets nuked. They don't try and even ask about a potential peace? After all, Skynet simply knows that the humans are coming to kill it according to what it's told and the events that transpire. Humans agree not to kill it, surely Skynet has no real yearning to destroy humanity? Not really a subplot you want in your explode-y action movie, but to some degree I do end up thinking that the humans are the dicks. Then again, might well have killed the pacing entirely. Also, not an MRI technician but I did love that the MRI had a huge start stop button (stop button I can fully understand) and an analogue knob to turn it up! Maybe that is how they do work in hospitals, but seemed off to me.

Of course, every single Terminator film suffers in comparison to the rest of the series due to the sheer and utter brilliance that was T2. T2, imo, is quite probably the best action film I've seen. Arnie at his best, huge action sequences, a plot that wasn't all that convoluted. Damn, T2 is f***ing great. Wish T2 was on Netflix as my old DVD of it is at my parents house from when I still lived with them.

So I was about to go to my bed earlier, when I saw Netflix had Terminator: Genisys up. I rather wanted to see this but ended up not seeing it at the cinema and forgot about it.

Not a bad film. Probably the 3rd best in the series*. As for this film, I liked the somewhat fresh take, though their time travel shenanigans was a bit nonsensical (somehow moreso than you'd expect for made up science). Arnie was pretty good. Of the 3 main actors... he was the best. I feel like the two other mains were just signed for being handsome face six pack man and pretty face boobs woman. Mileage may vary on that. My friend recently raved to me about how good Matt Smith was in this film. He's in it for about a minute. I have a huge soft spot for Smith due to his time on Doctor Who, but I fail to see how the role he had had the content or the screentime to really make any impression. The way my pal spoke about it, I expected Smith to be hugely involved. Also, they are talking to Skynet before anyone gets nuked. They don't try and even ask about a potential peace? After all, Skynet simply knows that the humans are coming to kill it according to what it's told and the events that transpire. Humans agree not to kill it, surely Skynet has no real yearning to destroy humanity? Not really a subplot you want in your explode-y action movie, but to some degree I do end up thinking that the humans are the dicks. Then again, might well have killed the pacing entirely. Also, not an MRI technician but I did love that the MRI had a huge start stop button (stop button I can fully understand) and an analogue knob to turn it up! Maybe that is how they do work in hospitals, but seemed off to me.

Of course, every single Terminator film suffers in comparison to the rest of the series due to the sheer and utter brilliance that was T2. T2, imo, is quite probably the best action film I've seen. Arnie at his best, huge action sequences, a plot that wasn't all that convoluted. Damn, T2 is f***ing great. Wish T2 was on Netflix as my old DVD of it is at my parents house from when I still lived with them.

I tend to agree, for me Terminator and Aliens are two franchises that the second movie was better than the first and damn good fun overall anyway! They both went downhill after the second movie

Yes, I love (parts of) the the Terminator and Alien franchises, and probably watch at least the first two films of both about once per year. The later Alien films (excluding the vs. Predator ones...) are more enjoyable than the later Terminator films, although I was massively disappointed in the direction they took after Prometheus in Alien: Covenant, as I'd have much preferred a direct sequel to Prometheus. For me the last half an hour or so of Prometheus is up there with Alien and Aliens actually. There wasn't much memorable in Covenant.

Yes, I love (parts of) the the Terminator and Alien franchises, and probably watch at least the first two films of both about once per year. The later Alien films (excluding the vs. Predator ones...) are more enjoyable than the later Terminator films, although I was massively disappointed in the direction they took after Prometheus in Alien: Covenant, as I'd have much preferred a direct sequel to Prometheus. For me the last half an hour or so of Prometheus is up there with Alien and Aliens actually. There wasn't much memorable in Covenant.

I was really underwhelmed with Alien: Covenant. Really wasn't a good film imo. I think Michael Fassbender did a superb acting job with his 2 parts and the idea behind the origins of the aliens was good, but the way it was written was just appalling. They fully explained the entire premise of the story in a about 5 mins towards the end of the film and I could see the 'twist' coming for a mile away.

It also annoyed me a bit that the specialist, trained crew in charge of one of Earths first colony missions were so inept at the jobs they were supposed to be good at! It worked in the first Alien film as the idea was 'truckers in space', so they were only there to haul cargo and didn't know what to do in reaction to events. But when you have an important manned mission and the crew pretty much all turn out to be inept at their designated roles, it makes the entire film unbelievable. It's like imagining they sent school teachers on the rescue mission in Aliens instead of marines!

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Yes, I love (parts of) the the Terminator and Alien franchises, and probably watch at least the first two films of both about once per year. The later Alien films (excluding the vs. Predator ones...) are more enjoyable than the later Terminator films, although I was massively disappointed in the direction they took after Prometheus in Alien: Covenant, as I'd have much preferred a direct sequel to Prometheus. For me the last half an hour or so of Prometheus is up there with Alien and Aliens actually. There wasn't much memorable in Covenant.

I was really underwhelmed with Alien: Covenant. Really wasn't a good film imo. I think Michael Fassbender did a superb acting job with his 2 parts and the idea behind the origins of the aliens was good, but the way it was written was just appalling. They fully explained the entire premise of the story in a about 5 mins towards the end of the film and I could see the 'twist' coming for a mile away.

It also annoyed me a bit that the specialist, trained crew in charge of one of Earths first colony missions were so inept at the jobs they were supposed to be good at! It worked in the first Alien film as the idea was 'truckers in space', so they were only there to haul cargo and didn't know what to do in reaction to events. But when you have an important manned mission and the crew pretty much all turn out to be inept at their designated roles, it makes the entire film unbelievable. It's like imagining they sent school teachers on the rescue mission in Aliens instead of marines!

The thing that maybe bugs me the most about both Prometheus and Covenant is how rushed they seem somehow. It´s like they edited out way too many scenes which results in narrow and distant characters who seemingly make all sorts of inexplicable decisions. I´ve been waiting on a director´s cut version of Prometheus for years now so I´m not too hopeful of seeing one of Covenant either.

Also, how did the last alien grow up to full size in what seemed like a few minutes near the end? Same with the squid in Prometheus; it didn´t even have anything to eat so where did all that mass come from?

Saw Temple of Doom last night on tv. Not seen it for years now and I completely forgot how many historical, cultural and natural inaccuracies there are in it and also the amount of casual racism in there! It's amazing looking at how that was all fully acceptable in 80's blockbusters, but even taking all that into account, still a good film

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Saw Temple of Doom last night on tv. Not seen it for years now and I completely forgot how many historical, cultural and natural inaccuracies there are in it and also the amount of casual racism in there! It's amazing looking at how that was all fully acceptable in 80's blockbusters, but even taking all that into account, still a good film

I love this movie for the simple fact that the protagonist achieves absolutely nothing in the entire film. Even if indiana jones did not appear in the movie at all the outcome would have been exactly the same. The Nazis still find the ark, open it and die. In fact it can be argued that Indiana Jones interference resulted in a worst outcome as if he wasn't there the Nazis plan was to immediately transport it back to Berlin in the plane and the first time it would have been opened would have been in front of Hitler killing him and all of his senior commanders.

Conclusion: Indiana Jones saved Hitler's life and cost those of millions of allied troops and innocent Jews. One job indy!

Saw Temple of Doom last night on tv. Not seen it for years now and I completely forgot how many historical, cultural and natural inaccuracies there are in it and also the amount of casual racism in there! It's amazing looking at how that was all fully acceptable in 80's blockbusters, but even taking all that into account, still a good film

I love this movie for the simple fact that the protagonist achieves absolutely nothing in the entire film. Even if indiana jones did not appear in the movie at all the outcome would have been exactly the same. The Nazis still find the ark, open it and die. In fact it can be argued that Indiana Jones interference resulted in a worst outcome as if he wasn't there the Nazis plan was to immediately transport it back to Berlin in the plane and the first time it would have been opened would have been in front of Hitler killing him and all of his senior commanders.

Conclusion: Indiana Jones saved Hitler's life and cost those of millions of allied troops and innocent Jews. One job indy!

Guess your talking about Raiders there?

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Saw Temple of Doom last night on tv. Not seen it for years now and I completely forgot how many historical, cultural and natural inaccuracies there are in it and also the amount of casual racism in there! It's amazing looking at how that was all fully acceptable in 80's blockbusters, but even taking all that into account, still a good film

I love this movie for the simple fact that the protagonist achieves absolutely nothing in the entire film. Even if indiana jones did not appear in the movie at all the outcome would have been exactly the same. The Nazis still find the ark, open it and die. In fact it can be argued that Indiana Jones interference resulted in a worst outcome as if he wasn't there the Nazis plan was to immediately transport it back to Berlin in the plane and the first time it would have been opened would have been in front of Hitler killing him and all of his senior commanders.

Conclusion: Indiana Jones saved Hitler's life and cost those of millions of allied troops and innocent Jews. One job indy!

Guess your talking about Raiders there?

Haha oops you're right! I guess it's been a while since I've watched it too

First one was the Power Rangers reboot. It felt a lot like a Breakfast Club version of a decent Transformers movie (i.e the first two). Not going to win any awards, but doesn't feel quite enough like a cynical money grab.

Second up was Fast and Furious 8. It's absolutely dire. Even for a Fast and Furious film. It has no redeeming value whatsoever. There's a bit where an ice skating The Rock kicks a torpedo at a truck, and that's not even remotely the worst bit.

Lastly, I saw John Wick 2. Pretty much like the first one, it has a plot of some sort, but it's just a glorious excuse for us to see Keanu Reeves in some exceptionally choreographed shootouts. And they're worth it, especially the scene in the hall of mirrors. I have no idea what the plot is about, but it made no difference to the enjoyment of the film.

First one was the Power Rangers reboot. It felt a lot like a Breakfast Club version of a decent Transformers movie (i.e the first two). Not going to win any awards, but doesn't feel quite enough like a cynical money grab.

Second up was Fast and Furious 8. It's absolutely dire. Even for a Fast and Furious film. It has no redeeming value whatsoever. There's a bit where an ice skating The Rock kicks a torpedo at a truck, and that's not even remotely the worst bit.

Lastly, I saw John Wick 2. Pretty much like the first one, it has a plot of some sort, but it's just a glorious excuse for us to see Keanu Reeves in some exceptionally choreographed shootouts. And they're worth it, especially the scene in the hall of mirrors. I have no idea what the plot is about, but it made no difference to the enjoyment of the film.

First one agreed

Second one, kind of agreed. I mean it wasn't dire, it is what you expect to see from the F&F franchise. I like the touch with Helen Mirren! But yes, the sub being faster than the speeding cars? Yeah right, subs can go up to 40mph or so (not nautical ones), so no way it could catch them. Then again in the last one they cad that 20 mile airstrip, didn't they? Hehe

Third one I agree, but I can see it going like "Taken"; they had an unexpected success, then they milked it until the last one was pretty much unwatchable... Although John Wick may be on to something now with that ending

Second one, kind of agreed. I mean it wasn't dire, it is what you expect to see from the F&F franchise. I like the touch with Helen Mirren! But yes, the sub being faster than the speeding cars? Yeah right, subs can go up to 40mph or so (not nautical ones), so no way it could catch them. Then again in the last one they cad that 20 mile airstrip, didn't they? Hehe

Third one I agree, but I can see it going like "Taken"; they had an unexpected success, then they milked it until the last one was pretty much unwatchable... Although John Wick may be on to something now with that ending

Actually, Helen Mirren and

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Jason Statham and Luke Evams

were the only decent bits. The baby scene was pretty fun. They'd actually be a fun spin off series.

And yeah, John Wick could end up being ridiculous like Tak3n, but I really hope not, because the stunts are fantastic.

Second one, kind of agreed. I mean it wasn't dire, it is what you expect to see from the F&F franchise. I like the touch with Helen Mirren! But yes, the sub being faster than the speeding cars? Yeah right, subs can go up to 40mph or so (not nautical ones), so no way it could catch them. Then again in the last one they cad that 20 mile airstrip, didn't they? Hehe

Third one I agree, but I can see it going like "Taken"; they had an unexpected success, then they milked it until the last one was pretty much unwatchable... Although John Wick may be on to something now with that ending

Actually, Helen Mirren and

Spoiler (click to show)

Jason Statham and Luke Evams

were the only decent bits. The baby scene was pretty fun. They'd actually be a fun spin off series.

And yeah, John Wick could end up being ridiculous like Tak3n, but I really hope not, because the stunts are fantastic.

Spooks: The Greater Good. A bit of a weird one. Thankfully, Kit Harrington was good enough for the role he had (GoT is the big thing of the moment and imo it's lead to some awful casting decisions purely to get a name that will pull in the punters). The plot was a bit clumsy I felt. I'd also note I am a big fan of the show. I think this movie works well if you've seen the show but much less so if you watched this purely as a standalone. I also think the writers might have wanted the viewer to doubt Harry, which anyone who has seen the show would know is probably wrong. A couple of the dramatic moments were probably only dramatic if you knew the characters involved. I can't recall for sure, but Tim McInnerny's character is pretty signficant as the boss of MI:5, but I'm not sure they tell you that until very late. Again, having see the show this would be known. I don't know, for me, this felt a bit like they couldn't decide if they wanted to re-introduce characters properly or treat this like you would new episodes of the show, and assume people have seen the previous. I enjoyed it well enough though it doesn't really feel any bigger or grander than a 2 part episode of Spooks would have.

I rewatched The Full Monty the other night. Surely everyone (in the UK anyway) must have seen this movie. Brilliant stuff. I already knew I rated this film, but this has restored my love of it. The cast is fantastic. Robert Carlyse's Gaz saying he looks like a psycho always makes me think of the pub scene in Trainspotting. The writing is good and it's a damned funny movie imo. The bank scene is hilarious. The final strip never ceases to amuse too. Basically, I watched a movie I knew I liked and ended up liking it.

Spooks: The Greater Good. A bit of a weird one. Thankfully, Kit Harrington was good enough for the role he had (GoT is the big thing of the moment and imo it's lead to some awful casting decisions purely to get a name that will pull in the punters). The plot was a bit clumsy I felt. I'd also note I am a big fan of the show. I think this movie works well if you've seen the show but much less so if you watched this purely as a standalone. I also think the writers might have wanted the viewer to doubt Harry, which anyone who has seen the show would know is probably wrong. A couple of the dramatic moments were probably only dramatic if you knew the characters involved. I can't recall for sure, but Tim McInnerny's character is pretty signficant as the boss of MI:5, but I'm not sure they tell you that until very late. Again, having see the show this would be known. I don't know, for me, this felt a bit like they couldn't decide if they wanted to re-introduce characters properly or treat this like you would new episodes of the show, and assume people have seen the previous. I enjoyed it well enough though it doesn't really feel any bigger or grander than a 2 part episode of Spooks would have.

I think the main issue with it is that Spooks is a bit of a slower burn, and the film tries to have the same vibe, but condense it too much to make it feel a bit too fake. Also a big part of the tension of Spooks was that they would kill big characters all the time, so you thought no one was safe at any point, but the casting of Jon Snow throws that out of the window.I did watch it in the same week I watched The Man From UNCLE and Rogue Nation, both of which did the glossy spy flick a few degrees better, so maybe it was better than I thought at the time.

Second one, kind of agreed. I mean it wasn't dire, it is what you expect to see from the F&F franchise. I like the touch with Helen Mirren! But yes, the sub being faster than the speeding cars? Yeah right, subs can go up to 40mph or so (not nautical ones), so no way it could catch them. Then again in the last one they cad that 20 mile airstrip, didn't they? Hehe

Third one I agree, but I can see it going like "Taken"; they had an unexpected success, then they milked it until the last one was pretty much unwatchable... Although John Wick may be on to something now with that ending

Actually, Helen Mirren and

Spoiler (click to show)

Jason Statham and Luke Evams

were the only decent bits. The baby scene was pretty fun. They'd actually be a fun spin off series.

And yeah, John Wick could end up being ridiculous like Tak3n, but I really hope not, because the stunts are fantastic.

I also recently watched john wick 2, The ending for jw2 leaves you with the impression that another installment would be the final climax in the series. Could be the best one yet....

Also watched cars 3 and i enjoyed it, movie comes full circle. Would have liked to see a different ending but the story they went with was interesting.

This whole franchise tears me up inside. On one hand, the films are clearly bad. On the other hand, they are clearly fun to watch. Now that I think about it, I can say this about most of Michael Bay's films (and films made by his studio that he did not direct).

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