m1ke:I feel dirty for agreeing with this one part of his incoherent ramble: "Every federal agency and department should be required to take an immediate, real 15 percent cut in its budget - no funny accounting tricks, but a real 15 percent cut."

You should because it's stupid:

See those tiniest slivers on the right there. Those are what you are talking about. You can never get about 1.5 trillion from 500 billion. People don't understand that the things the GOP are asking to cut are the tiniest parts of the budget.

This myth of the non-taxpayer won't go away. There is not an adult alive in this country that does not pay any taxes whatsoever. That's not a good thing, either. Trying to increase people's taxes so that they have more "skin in the game" is just lazy, yet tyrannical, thinking.

Corvus:m1ke: I feel dirty for agreeing with this one part of his incoherent ramble: "Every federal agency and department should be required to take an immediate, real 15 percent cut in its budget - no funny accounting tricks, but a real 15 percent cut."

You should because it's stupid:

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See those tiniest slivers on the right there. Those are what you are talking about. You can never get about 1.5 trillion from 500 billion. People don't understand that the things the GOP are asking to cut are the tiniest parts of the budget.

Yeah, but as soon as they can chop NPR funding, we'll be freakin GOLDEN

shotglasss:Taxing the poor is not a bad idea, a small amount like 2% would bring in billions of dollars that Obama wants to desperately to spend on vacations to get the First Beast out of town so that he can eat like a man instead of the cuck she has turned him into.

Revoking voting for those on welfare is fine if they've been on gubmint checks for more than a year. Once they get off my dime they can vote again.

Does that apply to the Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid? I'd love to see what would happen to the GOP if you strip voting rights from seniors and the Hoverround brigade.

jigger:Trying to increase people's taxes so that they have more "skin in the game" is just lazy, yet tyrannical, thinking.

Yeah, that 3.6% on everything over $250,000 like they used to pay is just tyranny. Opposing it with every breath is certainly worth throwing us into a recession over and taking the US credit rating into the shiatter.

How does anyone think they can "tax the poor"? Tax WHAT? If they have no income, there's no income to tax. If they're making below poverty level, the graduated income tax we all pay doesn't ALLOW them to be taxed. People on disability, unemployment and social security cannot be taxed. What exactly do these cretins want to "tax"?

And even if the tax laws were changed so everyone had to pay taxes--again, what are you going to tax? Someone who makes $24,000 a year, if you taxed them at 5%, you'd get a whopping $1200 out of him. However, that would also be $1200 he couldn't spend on the economy--you know, food, clothing, gas--so that's money out of the commerce stream. People not buying stuff is what contributes to recession, not people not paying taxes. We need poor people buying stuff, not paying crippling taxes.

I'm not much of an economist, but even I know that if poor people give all their money to the government, the government winds up having to support them.

vernonFL:I thought Ted would have moved to Canada or killed himself if Obama won.

Too bad.

Canada?! Come on man. Our Canadian hard line conservatives would practically be commies by the Ted Nugent standard. He would see our universal health care and handgun restrictions and bail immediately.

Soup4Bonnie:jigger: Trying to increase people's taxes so that they have more "skin in the game" is just lazy, yet tyrannical, thinking.

Yeah, that 3.6% on everything over $250,000 like they used to pay is just tyranny. Opposing it with every breath is certainly worth throwing us into a recession over and taking the US credit rating into the shiatter.

Corvus:beta_plus: Krieghund: beta_plus: //This is what the French actually believe

The French can't hear you, they're busy with their 5 weeks of vacation and 35 hour work weeks.

You have an interesting idea of what's a vacation:

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I went to France during the rioting. It was wonderful. They had armed police on many corners. Felt more safe than most of the time in most cities in the US. My wife and I walked alone everywhere.

You are an idiot who has no farking idea what you are talking.

OOOOH! Look at me! I went on a Eurail trip and saw all the historic preserved European downtowns while ignoring their poor suburbs so that makes me an expert on all of the countries that I went to because there is no way class and racial divisions in other countries could differ from America!!

But don't worry, you really are an expert on all that is "European", because we all know the Champs Ellysee is exactly like a Banlieue.

Just wondering: Are you just butt hurt that you got called out on how you don't like living among the poor or are you really that stupid? I'm invoking Poe's law here.

And BTW - So you think a racist police state is the way to run things. Well, at least you are willing to show your true liberal face - I'll give you that.

shotglasss:Taxing the poor is not a bad idea, a small amount like 2% would bring in billions of dollars that Obama wants to desperately to spend on vacations to get the First Beast out of town so that he can eat like a man instead of the cuck she has turned him into.

Revoking voting for those on welfare is fine if they've been on gubmint checks for more than a year. Once they get off my dime they can vote again.

Nothing important or intelligent to say, so you attack Obama's wife, shiat all over your fellow Americans, and admit you don't know shiat about anything.

beta_plus:Corvus: beta_plus: Krieghund: beta_plus: //This is what the French actually believe

The French can't hear you, they're busy with their 5 weeks of vacation and 35 hour work weeks.

You have an interesting idea of what's a vacation:

[blogs.reuters.com image 300x234]

I went to France during the rioting. It was wonderful. They had armed police on many corners. Felt more safe than most of the time in most cities in the US. My wife and I walked alone everywhere.

You are an idiot who has no farking idea what you are talking.

OOOOH! Look at me! I went on a Eurail trip and saw all the historic preserved European downtowns while ignoring their poor suburbs so that makes me an expert on all of the countries that I went to because there is no way class and racial divisions in other countries could differ from America!!

But don't worry, you really are an expert on all that is "European", because we all know the Champs Ellysee is exactly like a Banlieue.

Just wondering: Are you just butt hurt that you got called out on how you don't like living among the poor or are you really that stupid? I'm invoking Poe's law here.

And BTW - So you think a racist police state is the way to run things. Well, at least you are willing to show your true liberal face - I'll give you that.

LIBS LIBS LIBS LIBS LIBS LIBS LIBS!

Try looking at the world with your own eyes, listening with your own ears, and thinking with your own brain once in a while.

Cyberluddite:Donnchadha: A lot of local taxes are voted on by the public -- California is the famous example of this. They vote on any state imposed tax, which never passes, because who votes FOR a tax? and then they wonder why they have no money.

Except, you know, in the last election, when Prop 30 was approved. I can see how that might be forgotten, though, since it was damn near a month ago.