Channel log from 14 March 2010 (all times are UTC)

alkisg, nice work on fatclients, got some students working on it, they have got full gnome running using ltsp fatclient

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<alkisg>

Nice!

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I do hope it'll get more widespread so that it gets more testing...

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<cyberorg>

alkisg, they are planning to do gnome and kde prebuilt images

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<alkisg>

Unfortunately, for fat clients prebuilt images are not much different from a live usb stick

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cyberorg: i.e. we should put more focus to allowing easy updates/upgrades/app installations for fat clients

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Now I'm using an nbd partition for that, so that I don't have to run ltsp-update-image

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<cyberorg>

yeah, the image will be based on live CD

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<alkisg>

But that's not something anyone could do...

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If we had an ext3 partition inside a file, though, it'd be much easier

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"create a fat chroot with size = 50 Gb" or something like that

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Of course if it was a .vmdk vbox disk image that could grow dynamically, that would be the best :D

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* alkisg goes for a loong bike ride, bbl

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<cyberorg>

they use sparse image

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<AndyGraybeal>

anyone run xpra on ltsp?

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xpra (the screen-like thing for X)

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<stgraber>

morning everyone

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Just a quick note that I'll be producing a new snapshot of ltsp and ldm that if they don't contain any visible bug will become 5.2.1 and 2.1.1. Unless someone has something that'll be commited in the next hour or so.

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<alkisg>

Do we have any provisions for allowing localapps to access the local disks?

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<vagrantc>

LOCALDEV_DENY_INTERNAL_DISKS=false ?

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it defaults to True if unset, due to issues with laptops that suspend to disk causing filesystem corruption and whatnot

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<alkisg>

Isn't that exposed with ltspfs?

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I.e. not for localapps?

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<vagrantc>

localapps have access to localdevs, at least in theory.

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<vagrantc>

if you install ltspfs in the chroot, at least

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<alkisg>

Does the traffic go through the server?

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<vagrantc>

it probably doesn't work as elegantly as one might hope...

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alkisg: no, it's all local.

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<alkisg>

I'm wondering how I should handle internal disk mounting for fat clients...

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<vagrantc>

similar code that makes localdev available to rdesktop

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<alkisg>

The users can mount the devices as usual, subject to policykit,

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but it would be nice to have an option to mount internal disks on fstab

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<vagrantc>

alkisg: depends on if you want to look at it from the distro perspective, or the ltsp perspective...

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<alkisg>

From the ltsp perspective, but I do hope that ltsp will focus more on fat clients in the future

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<vagrantc>

i.e. should it behave just like a normal disked machine, or should it behave more like a thin client?

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indeed, fatclients appear to be the immediate future

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<alkisg>

I don't think fat clients could share the LOCALDEV_DENY* infrastructure...

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*should

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Wouldn't it be better if they behaved more like standalone machines?

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I.e., if an admin wants to limit access, he could use pklocalauthority..

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And I think it'd be better if we also used that for thin clients as well