Tuesday, September 30, 2014

[PADA: Varsana swami was in New Vrdnavana for a long time, and was loyal to the GBC guru program. He needs apparently a ton of money for all sorts of multiple ailments. It is amazing how the GBC does not seem to care even for the loyal members of their program. I saw another "fund me" for a woman who is a long time servant of ISKCON -- and who is still seeming to be serving in ISKCON, yet she needs $10,000 for her teeth and other medical issues. Why is it that the only thing the GBC apparently funds properly, are their lawyers so they can sue us? Varsana swami was born in 1950, he is younger than many of our contemporaries, yet he has major physical issues. This seems to be a pattern. ys pd]

Vrindavan, 2014.09.21 (VT): Missing for almost 50 days, the decomposed dead body of Ram Sevak Das (Chhote Baba) was found near the river Alaknanda at Benakul, in Uttarakhand. Two teenaged sisters who accompanied him are still missing. The mystery has deepened further as no clue of the girls who accompanied him has been found. Hundreds of devotees started to gather at the Devraha Baba ashram on hearing this sad news. Many of them suspect that this is a case of murder.

The Junior Mahant of the Devaraha Baba ashram situated across the Yamuna River from Vrindavan on the Yamuna flood plain left the ashram on 27th July for meditation in the Himalayas. His elder god brother and the Senior Mahant Dev Das (Bare Maharaj) went looking for him everywhere but found no trace of his whereabouts.

On 5th August two brothers Gopal Jha and Gyan Das lodged a missing complaint for their two sisters Radha aged 16 and Sharda aged 18 from Hanuman Chatti along with the Chhote Baba. According to the report lodged with the Badrinath police station while going to Badrinath on 1st August, Baba Ram Sevak Das performed some ritual near the road with their sisters and went missing from there.

On Friday, some villagers informed the police of a decomposed dead body in the river. The body of Ram Sevak Das was identified by a surgery scar on his knee. The Chamoli police is investigating the case from the angle of murder.

Meanwhile, the Senior Mahant Dev Das ji Maharaj revealed his suspicions that the two brothers Gopal Jha and Gyan Das are responsible for Chhote Baba’s death. Interacting with the media Dev Das Maharaj wonder why it took two days to inform the ashram about Chhote Baba’s absence. They could have made telephone calls from the time they found Baba had gone missing.

Gyan Das was Chhote Maharaj’s driver, while his brother Gopal Jha played tabla during his satsangs. In a complaint made to the SSP Mathura, Bare Maharaj alleged that they stole cash worth Rupees 10 lakh, a cheque book and other valuables from Chote Maharaj’s room. The keys to the room were always kept with Gyan Das. No one could enter without his permission. Even Bare Maharaj had to take permission from Gyan Das to meet Chhote Maharaj. Chhote Maharaj appointed Gyan Das’s own uncle as the treasurer of the Trust, but he was removed from his post after objection from the other trustees.

The two sisters who accompanied Chhote Maharaj on his last journey were adopted by Choote Maharaj. He was bearing the cost of their education.

Ramsevak had been observing mauna vrata (vow of silence) for the last three years. He was given jal samadhi in Yamuna on Sunday as per his wish.

[PADA: These folks are giving people "siddha deha" initiations, where one is told what spiritual body one will have. OK, except Westerners in particular are really not ready for this. Its called sahajiya (imitation). There are some GBC gurus who are associated with this program (and use his books), and then they wonder why these Babaji people "initiate dozens of Western disciples." Ummm, because you GBC folks are taking people there? I am not sure if this is the program Mahanidhi has been connected to or not. Anyway, this is what Srila Prabhupada warned about, if devotees start going off to these babajis, then the preaching effort will be hampered -- and worse -- ISKCON people will be siphoned off to these other programs. That has happened. ys pd]

On 25th, after hearing us for the full day the Supreme Court passed the following order:

"Leave granted. Heard learned counsel for the parties in part. The Registry is directed to take steps to secure the original record pertaining to Civil Suit No.7934/2001 before the 9th Additional City Civil & Sessions Judge, Bangalore. List the matter on 18th November, 2014 as part heard."

By the mercy of Srila Prabhupada, Leave has been granted as per our Special Leave Petition (SLP) after hearing our preliminary merits for granting the leave in spite of the opposition by opposite party ISKCON Mumbai to reject the Special leave petition SLP from the day we entered the portals of the Supreme Court in 2009.

For those not familiar with the Supreme Court procedures please read below:

What is this granting leave?

The Supreme Court of India does not accept appeal directly wherein they are bound to hear any petition against High Court orders like lower courts below them do. In India, suit begins at munsiff court, then district court then High court and then Supreme Court. Only for Constitutional matters like fundamental rights etc one can go directly to the Supreme Court.

One normally starts litigation based on the jurisdiction of the property etc. We started with the district court as our Temple was located in the city. In Bangalore there are rural munsiff courts also.

Anywhere you lose in a lower court, you can appeal in the next court and it will be called appellate court of the court below where you can go in appeal. We won in the Trial Court in 2009 and ISKCON Mumbai went on an appeal in the High Court and won in 2011. That is when we came to the Supreme Court against the order of the High court.

As I said in the Supreme Court, you can only enter with a special leave petition SLP seeking permission to file an appeal and cannot file directly an appeal. It is the petition seeking leave or permission to file the appeal. If it is granted only then your appeal will be heard.

SLPs are heard on Mondays and Fridays. Each court will have about 250 matters on that day. There are 13 courts in the Supreme Court. Two judges preside over these courts. In Supreme Court single judges don't preside over the court. On Mondays and Fridays they will they either say 'issue notice' to other side or will refuse to issue notice and reject the SLP. If they issue notice then SLP will go to next stage of hearing the SLP on a subsequent date in the queue.

If they refuse to issue notice that is the end of your story. On that day you only get two minutes before the judge. That is the first critical point for any litigant who enter the Supreme Court. Mostly the judges would have read two three para 'synopsis' in advance in their Chambers and come. Many cases not even two minutes. They would have read and come and just lift the file and say SLP dismissed. Less than a minute. They won't even allow the lawyer to speak. They will say, we have read it.

In 2011 we crossed that stage without getting thrown out. We got one leg into the Supreme Court that day. The most dangerous stage mainly because there are limitations how much the lawyer can communicate and judges can understand in two minutes. Once rejected, you simply have to go home even if you had so much merit.

Any Supreme Court judge who reads our High Court judgement will get shocked that there is a finding given of such a huge number of documents being fraudulently fabricated. No judge will get opportunity to see the documents at this stage to verify if it is true or not and they won't think of verifying also. By default they will think it is true.

If you tell a very big lie people don't verify. We tend to think 'how can such a big thing be a lie'. Our high court judgement is like that. Out of two fifty three documents , High Court has given a finding that 106 documents filed by us are tampered and manipulated by insertions and affixing of seal of Karnataka society to make it look like our society document which really according to them are Bombay society's documents.

No judges at the SLP entry stage will think that two high court judges will make such a big mistake. Actually if you go into the documents and verify you won't find any seal or insertion on any of these. On this point (so called seal and insertions), the judges rejected these documents as having no evidentiary.

With such a judgement with finding of fraud, normally the party won't cross the first stage of ‘issue notice’. In our case, ISKCON Mumbai appeared on the first date of hearing to support the judges to get the SLP thrown out without issue notice. By Prabhupada's and Krishna's mercy instead of two minutes the court took half an hour on that day in 2009.

Not only 'issue notice' to them was ordered but the court gave a two page status quo order allowing us to continue in management since we showed newspaper cuttings that they are trying to forcefully enter the temple on the strength of the High court judgment. It is then that the Supreme Court gave us the status quo order saying we only will continue to manage. That was our first victory in the Supreme Court against their opposition to get the SLP rejected without even issue of notice. This, ISKCON Mumbai could not digest.

Once ‘issue notice’ happens in a case, they have to file counter and we file a rejoinder to the counter and SLP is heard as to whether leave to be granted to file an appeal against the high court order or not on a listed date. It is during one such date of hearing they also filed an application saying that since fraud is the basis of high court judgement they wanted to be jointly managing the property in the interim period by telling stories about real estate diversion of temple funds etc. But we vehemently opposed it but agreed to an alternative to have a supervisory Oversight Committee headed by a retired Supreme Court Judge. That is how Oversight committee was appointed, but with no change in management; only supervising the Bangalore Society who will continue to manage. That was our second victory against them.

After the Oversight committee was formed the SLP was getting listed on several dates but our number was not reaching before the court closed for the day. This is very normal. Two years have passed by like this. Unlike Mondays and Fridays where they ensure atleast 250 matters for each court. On other days only about 20 to 25 items are listed. Still our matter was not reaching.

This is the stage after 'issue notice' to other side where the court will decide to hear on preliminary merits to admit the case by granting leave (permission) on our SLP to file the Civil Appeal (CA). If they see no merit in converting it into an appeal you get thrown out at that stage. That is again end of your story. If they see merit in hearing the appeal then only they will grant leave.

When this is done, automatically the court converts the SLP papers into a civil appeal CA with a new number. Such leave granted matters will come in the normal course after 4 to 5 years. In our case on 25th, last Thursday we crossed this second stage where leave was granted which means after hearing a full day the Supreme Court saw merit in giving us leave or permission to convert the SLP into a CA. The court could have rejected the SLP by dismissing it. This was the lurking danger on all the hearing dates till now since 2011. The court could have potentially said: 'we heard you, but we don't see any merit in hearing in depth through a Civil Appeal therefore dismissing the SLP.'

Once leave is granted, every CA has to be heard in full and a detailed judgement will have to come out. SLP is disposed off as merely orders without a judgement. Only CA will have a judgement and an operating order. Now the court has ordered to get all the documents from the original court in Bangalore. If our side takes ten days to show every document, the court won’t push us to hurry but will patiently hear both parties. Till leave granting stage the pressure of time before the court is always there. The court before granting leave can say 'no we don't want to hear anymore and get into details and we are not granting leave and dismissing the SLP'.

Now having granted leave they are hearing the CA or Civil Appeal and not the SLP. Both sides will take their own time and judges will have to write detailed judgement. This is the stage we are in today after leave being granted. We crossed two major hurdles and now both our legs are in the Supreme Court. When notice was issued we put one leg into the Supreme Court and when leave was granted our second leg is also in. Now it is a full fledged fight on merits of the CA or Civil Appeal.

Why our matter, after granting leave is coming so fast for hearing instead of four or five years?

In our case there is an application of urgency before the court from us saying that all our projects which are not even connected to litigation are affected due to Oversight Committee insisting on having jurisdiction to supervise over not only Hare Krishna Hill, but over all the properties of Bangalore society by interpreting the wordings in the order which created this Interim Oversight Committee.

In between this application was heard, and the court said it will be heard with the main matter as it had no time and gave a short date for final disposal. So we have been showing urgency by mentioning that fact several times to the court. So that is why after granting leave it is posted for immediate disposal in November instead of going into the que to come after four years.

Plus you see in the order there is mention of the word 'part heard'. This is another good thing. It won't be going from one bench to another and delaying. These two judges won't sit together in November as mostly the roster changes after holidays. But on November 18th and for further dates they will sit together only to hear our matter and will go on for about ten to twelve sessions like that till the case is closed.

Now we have ample opportunity to show the perversity of the High court judgement by showing each of the 106 documents. Plus we can prove that how they have fabricated an audit report of 1991 by forging the signature of our then auditor to show as if he was their auditor. We have filed a separate criminal case against them in Bangalore for this.

To get to hear the matter immediately instead of after three or four years is our third victory against their strategy to go on dragging the SLP just to harass our Vaikunta Hill Krishna Lila Theme Park project through the Oversight Committee who have already taken a stand that we cannot create any liabilities on the land where Krishna Lila Park is to be built.

Before the court rose it made a request to the counsel for both sides. Being august institutions, they expressed the opinion that the counsels for both the sides help the parties to come to some mutual settlement if possible. Our counsel said we have tried everything. Then one of the judges asked ISKCON Mumbai’s counsel as to why don't they try to accommodate ISKCON Bangalore under the big umbrella of ISKCON. The ISKCON Mumbai’s counsel replied that in a month long gap till next hearing he will speak to his clients on the same.

Please continue with your prayers to Srila Prabhupada and Deities to ensure that Srila Prabhupada's position as our dear spiritual master as well as our service to His Divine Grace is protected through the final outcome of this case as it pleases them, which can come out by December.

Friday, September 26, 2014

[PADA: While the GBC wastes millions on lawsuits ... This devotee in need is named Swarup Hebel. I actually like Swarup Hebel, really honest! But he and his pals like Bhakta das just seem to not comprehend why PADA protests the GBC's guru regime the way we do? Well OK, its in part because we do not think devotees like Swarup Hebel should be treated this way, to be living like peons -- while the big gurus drive around in Town Cars.

Swarup says his health is bad from living in stress of being so poor, and thus he has been moving around looking for a cheap place to live. And yet meanwhile the GBC gurus are living like kings in ISKCON, which is Swarup's house. They kicked Swarup out of his own house, so they can live like kings, and some of us have to live like homeless beggars, and try to get some money together for rent on a cheap place to live. Why should we not protest that?

Swarup's pal Sruta Srava eventually went off to the Gaudiya Matha, and I think he died a few years back, and in my opinion, because of the severe oppression he endured. This is not what Srila Prabhupada wanted for his disciples and followers. We should not allow a pack of false messiahs to take over our guru's house, that's pretty much our opinion. I have no idea why our fellow victims do not seem to think our protesting plan is a good idea. If we were kicked out of our father's house by a liar brother who changed the will -- so he would inherit the whole house -- and we would inherit nothing, would we not protest that? I have no idea why they do not see the need to protest this? ys pd]

PADA: Kirtanananda always wanted an "interfaith alliance," and we see the GBC and others are also promoting this agenda. Some ISKCON (or ex-ISKCON?) devotees are going to Kartik in Radha Kunda for a sort of interfaith alliance with the Babajis and others there -- and so on and so forth. Its not really what Srila Prabhupada wanted, he call this "a hodge podge." Srila Prabhupada also would not meet with other yogis at Kumba Mela, he said we should keep our identity separated. ys pd

Thursday, September 25, 2014

[PADA: OK we are not endorsing this program, but lamenting we (the ritviks) could not make similar projects around the world. This does look like a successful program from a material management point of view. Of course the first problem is -- these gurus burnt out the USA and then fled to places like Poland -- where people simply did not know about their shenanigans. These gurus do not have much success like this in the USA.

So, we are glad some farms are being made somewhere, even if they are being made by the GBC folks, because we think eventually these places will convert to our idea over time. We are experiencing that more people are reading Srila Prabhupada's books inside of ISKCON, and thus more people are coming to our idea of worship of Srila Prabhupada by default.

We have skyped with some ISKCON temple folks recently and they are agreeing with our process, and they will preach "in a subtle way" as we advised them. They know the GBC's guru process is "a can of worms" and they want to take shelter of Srila Prabhupada. We also get letters from our web sites with ISKCON people asking us about the whole post-1977 history, so at least some of them are getting educated gradually.

Anyway! This farm is an unfortunate glaring example of how we so-called ritviks have ALSO failed, our process just has not produced many of these types of programs for whatever the reasons. Hopefully, we will wake up and start to develop these style of rural programs, for the future of our children and their children.

The future generations will need such places as the mundane society deteriorates and becomes more uninhabitable. This place looks very well managed, as opposed to some of our USA ISKCON farms that look like they were abandoned during the war -- and now no one is left. Here in California in the 1960s a group of ten "hippie" families would move to a large rural farm from the city, and just rent some big property by combining their incomes, and start "a commune" during the "hippie era," I am not so sure why a group of devotees could not do the same things now? ys pd

During the time when Drithrashtra was the King of Hastinapur and both the Pandavas and the Kauravas had grown up, there was a need for a new Yuvaraj (heir to the throne). Drithrashtra was always greedy about the throne. He wanted Duryodhan to be the next king. However, Drithrashtra was a mere representative of Pandava who had abandoned his throne due to a crime he had committed unknowingly. Thus, Yudhistira who was the eldest son of Pandava was the rightful heir to the throne.

In order to make a decision as to who is suitable to be the next king, Vidhur (the wise minister and the brother of Drithrashtra) decided to test both Duryodhan and Yudhistira in the courtroom. Four men were bought in who had committed a murder. When Duryodhan was asked to do justice to the four men, he said that punishment for murder was death sentence in their kingdom. Therefore, each man should be hanged. Then Vidhur asked Yudhistira to do justice. Here is what he said:

“ First I want to know the caste of each man. Upon saying so he found that one was Shudra, the other Vaishya, the third one was Kshatriya and the fourth one was a Brahman. He then said that Shudra is uneducated and he doesn’t know the difference between right & wrong. So he should be imprisoned for 4 years. Vaishya has some knowledge between good and bad. Thus he should get double of what Shudra gets. The Kshatriya is the protector of the nation and thus should not kill people and make them feel unsafe. So the Kshatriya should get double of what Vaishya got. The fourth man is a Brahman. He is well versed with the differences between good and bad. His punishment should be the most severe but you cannot kill a Brahman. Therefore, the head priest of the kingdom should decide the punishment of the Brahman. Every person is different. You cannot measure every person’s doing in the same scale. That would definitely be unjust”.

Mahabharat teaches us all the lessons we need to learn in order to lead a just life. The story that I just narrated has a very powerful meaning not only in terms of how justice should be granted to each individual but also in terms of our behavior towards each person. Since every person is different and comes from different background we need to change our behavior accordingly. If we meet someone who comes from modest background, it is our duty to behave modestly and treat him or her with respect. Also, when we are judging someone’s actions towards us we should understand where the person is coming from. If we start considering these things while interacting with different individuals, the world would definitely be a happier place.

My eternal gratitude to our Srila PrabhupadGiving a home with dance and songs of a loving God-------------------- Hearing of God's kingdom, where the Lord is only a boyHaving a Mata and Pita and girlfriends who are full of joy-------------------- Always making tasty arrangements for THAT BOY's pleasure they seekThis is a world of love and devotion given to the surrendered and the meek-------------------- To be in such a world where everything is always fresh and newA place where everything is based on love for THAT BOY so true--------------------It's a place that's worth the price, for it's all and more than we desireA pure, all enjoying, perfect and complete, a place where we never tire-------------------- For it's filled with devotion and love for the Source of all that beFir the Gopis, Gopalas and pure devotees, it's THAT BOY, yes, only He!-------------------- THAT BOY who is the supreme Lord in all places below and aboveHe is conquered by love and love alone - that is what Sri Radha's made of-------------------- She loves THAT BOY so much so that THAT BOY is sold out to her heartTheir love binds Them so well together, it's hard to tell Them apart-------------------- That is the real world with our real lovers, Jaya Sri Radha Syam!While begging for this mercy, take up with this Hari Nam-------------------- So beg dear sisters and brothers with all your heart and soulTo get this loving mercy and to be freed from death's toll-------------------- It's how we get this mercy from this Boyish loving God

My eternal gratitude to our Srila Prabhupad!

Vyasa Puja Offering to Srila Prabhupada

Dear Srila Prabhupada,Please accept my respectful obeisances.Today I am reflecting upon your causeless mercy. You have roamed the world collecting the broken glass of our worthless lives. Lord Caitanya has commissioned you for this miraculously task.O most merciful Srila Prabhupada, you are repeatedly impressing upon us the intense urgency for Krsna consciousness. You clearly see the tragic waste of human lives as the world’s population rushes into the jaws of death.At times you humbly appeal to us with the tearful pleas of a loving mother. At another time you may expose our ignorance with the roar of a lion. You have shown us how to utilize all that Lord Krsna has created, to awaken sleeping souls from the slumber of illusion. The world is addicted to drinking the poison of material enjoyment. You have given us the opportunity to realize, in this very life, Krsna, the embodiment of all rasas.When will we wholeheartedly respond to your urgent call? Life is passing quite rapidly. How intensely are we calling out the holy names? How faithfully are we studying your sacred books? How determined are we to preach your mission to suffering humanity? How lovingly are we serving your beloved servants?O Srila Prabhupada, you have entrusted us with the integrity of your divine legacy. I pray with all my heart that in a spirit of genuine humility we may be united in serving your sweet will. In pleasing you we will find shelter in the dust of your lotus feet. Let that dust be our ultimate aspiration, birth after birth.

Srila Prabhupada writes in Krsna Book C.20 The Descrition of Autumn this nectar: "Vrndavana forest improved from the rains and was replete with ripened dates, mangoes, blackberries and other fruits. Lord Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and His boy friends and Lord Balarama, entered the forest to enjoy the new seasonal atmosphere. The cows, being fed by new grasses, became very healthy, and their milk bags were all very full. When Lord Krsna called them by name, they immediately came to Him out of affection, and in their joyful condition the milk flowed from their bags.

Lord Krsna was very pleased when passing through the Vrndavana forest by the side of Govardhana Hill. On the bank of the Yamuna He saw all the trees decorated with beehives pouring honey. There were many waterfalls on Govardhana Hill, and their flowing made a nice sound. Krsna heard them as He looked into the caves of the hill. When the rainy season was not ended completely but was gradually turning to autumn, sometimes, especially when there was rainfall within the forest, Krsna and His companions would sit under a tree or within the caves of Govardhana Hill and enjoy eating the ripened fruits and talking with great pleasure.

When Krsna and Balarama were in the forest all day, mother Yasoda used to send Them some rice mixed with yogurt, fruits and sweetmeats. Krsna would take them and sit on a slab of stone on the bank of the Yamuna. While Krsna and Balarama and Their friends were eating, they watched the cows, calves and bulls. The cows appeared to be tired from standing with their heavy milk bags.

By sitting and chewing grass, they became happy, and Krsna was pleased to see them. He was proud to see the beauty of the forest, which was nothing but the manifestation of His own energy."

What a way to start the day and season by remembering our wonderful Krsna! \o/

[PADA: As far as social and welfare programs are concerned, this is a good one, we should all help preserve the holy rivers of India. Its a good idea, however, as the speakers noted, the government has been slow to act on actually getting the job done -- as they had promised before the elections.

Its always a major problem in India, getting things like this organized, despite promised help. We hope for the sake of current and future pilgrims that this job gets underway, never mind that the river is basically hardly usable in its current state. Vrndavana should be better cared for, plain and simple, and we hope that the building of a large temple there will attract government funds to upgrade the infrastructure and facilities, including, the river. ys pd]

Narrated by Leonardo Dicaprio, yes friends, the species of life will be killed off, this is Kali Yuga. As Srila Prabhupada says, finish off your business now, do not come back to be born again in Kali Yuga. ys pd

Deconstructionism is a theory of textual interpretation that challenges the belief in ultimate or objective meaning. It rejects claims to objective truth by asserting there is no direct, single interpretation of a literary work, but rather many valid interpretations, as the meaning of literature is dependent on the reader's experiences and the impersonal forces that surround the work's creation. At its core, it is decidedly "anti-metaphysical," and is therefore opposed by anyone who accepts the principle of absolutes, including the belief that bona fide religious texts are dictated by a supernatural being.

In the view of the deconstructionist, the author's intent is not particularly significant, as the work's meaning is defined by the reader's perception. Srila Prabhupada was not on board with this sort of open interpretation, "The author of a book knows very well what is the purpose of (his) book. That is my statement." In a lecture in Vrndavana in 1976, he elaborated on this point by referring to the book Shah Jahan by D.L. Raya. Shah Jahanappears to be the story of the Shah's son, Aurenzab. However, because Raya's intent was to show how all the exploits of Aurenzeb tortured the soul of his father, it is the Shah who is the main character and therefore the book is named Shah Jahan. Prabhupada quotes the author, "Because Shah Jahan was living, sitting in the Agra Fort as a prisoner, and all the reactions of Aurangzeb's activities, the killing of his other sons, usurping the empire, that was beating on his heart; therefore he was suffering. He is the hero."

This endorsement of direct, objective understanding of a text does not mean that there is no scope for new spiritual insights. These insights are invigorating and encouraged by Srila Prabhupada, and as such, he approved philosophical speculation. "Anyone may read Bhagavad-gita and Srimad Bhagawatam repeatedly throughout his whole life and yet find in them new light of information." (SP purport SB 1.1.19) However, he carefully distinguished philosophical speculation from mental speculation by insisting such contemplations never lose their grounding in the clear explanations of the acaryas. The authorized meaning of the text must not be lost in the process. The deconstructionist, however, is really only limited in his interpretation of a book or passage by his own imagination.

The impropriety of relying on a reader's subjective perception to create new and fanciful meanings for a religious text is certainly familiar to all devotees. Nevertheless, over the years I have seen the same mistaken idea promoted (sometimes overtly, sometimes tacitly) in relation to creatively defining a person's spiritual position. As deconstructionism calls for the observer (reader) to be the arbitrator of what a text means, the same flawed practice of "constructing meaning" has been used as a process for determining a person's spiritual qualifications. As a result, devotees who lack the objective qualifications for accepting an exalted spiritual position are nevertheless "awarded" such transcendental status and heedlessly forge ahead on the "strength" of their followers' perceptions. But if anything is to be based on objective standards, would it not be the credentials for assuming the most esteemed spiritual posts? Without objective measures, every devotee swiftly becomes a "law unto himself", with the awesome power to create a spiritual master by his or her individual fiat.

It is essential to maintain unassailable objective standards, based on qualities of consciousness, as the basis for representing the Divine at the highest level. For example, a person must have manifestly transcended the four defects ("without trace of mistake, illusion, cheating, and imperfection" SB 1.3.25). If we abandon these, out of either expediency or vanity, and gauge a person's spiritual status via subjectively constructed measures, we are left with a form of spiritual anarchy. Consider it in this light, if we should take such a notion seriously, it would also necessarily work in the other direction— meaning, the self-realization of exalted souls such as Narada Muni would be somehow dependent on our acknowledgement!

The qualifications of a spiritual master, such as the above mentioned freedom from the four defects, are true and objective standards that require one to possess a state of consciousness untouched by the material energy. Real standards have nothing to do with what a conditioned soul believes or doesn't believe. In this domain, there is no place for the "construction" of anything, specifically none via a perceiver who sees the world through a conditioned mind and imperfect senses.

If I can be allowed to make a poetic leap, the entire enterprise all seems sadly akin to Berkeley's idealism, a philosophy that can be debunked, as they say, with a wooden bat in a dark closet. The point being, there is a world that exists independent of our perceptions. Imagining doesn't make it so. Krishna defines what is real and we are well-served to follow His guiding principles. True knowledge is reality distinct from illusion, and so it is that both the objective standards for understanding sacred texts, as well as the objective standards for recognizing people of super-consciousness, must be eternally preserved and treasured. It is non-negotiable.

Friday, September 19, 2014

PADA: Lots of devotees have not heeded this warning, and they have got -- cut. Some have got cut so badly they already died spiritually. Spiritual life has to be one of renouncing this material world, and this can only be done on a steady basis by experiencing the alternated world, i.e. the ruci (taste) of Krishna. One can only truly give up the lower taste by experiencing the higher taste. That takes practice! Anyway, as soon as we are not paying attention to Krishna, we are in trouble. Its a living and active process. Srila Prabhupada says -- "Somehow or other you have grabbed onto Krishna's lotus feet, now whatever you do, DON'T LET GO." Good advice! ys pd

If a person fasts on this day, all his sins are eradicated and his forefathers who have fallen into hell are liberated. Oh best of kings, one who simply hears about this sacred Ekadasi achieves the great merit earned by performing a horse sacrifice.

In the Satya-yuga there lived a king named Indrasena, who was so powerful that he destroyed all his enemies. His kingdom was called Mahishmati-puri. The glorious and highly religious King Indrasena took good care of his subjects, and therefore he was rich in gold, grains, sons, and grandsons. He was greatly devoted to Lord Sri Vishnu as well. He especially enjoyed chanting My name, calling out 'Govinda! Govinda!'. In this way King Indrasena systematically dedicated himself to pure spiritual life and spent much time meditating on the Absolute Truth.

One day, as King Indrasena happily and peacefully presided over his assembly, the perfect orator, Sri Narada Muni, was seen descending. White as a conch, shining like the moon, like a jasmine flower, like a lightening bolt, Narada Muni descending from the sky. He is decorated with matted locks of reddish hair. The king offered Devarishi Narada, the saint among the devas (demigods), great respect by greeting him with joined palms, inviting him into the palace, offering him a comfortable seat, washing his feet, and speaking sweat words of welcome. Then Narada Muni said to Maharaj Indrasena, 'Oh king, are the seven limbs of your kingdom prospering?'

The seven limbs of a king's domain being; the king's well being himself, his ministers, his treasury, his military forces, his allies, the brahmanas, the sacrifices performed in his kingdom, and the needs of the king's subjects. 'Is your mind absorbed in thinking of how you can properly perform your occupational duty? Are you becoming more and more devoted and dedicated to the service of the Supreme Lord, Sri Vishnu?'

"The king replied, 'By your kind grace, Oh greatest of sages, everything is quite well. Today, just by your presence all the sacrifices in my kingdom are successful ! Please show me mercy and explain the reason for your kind visit here.'

"Sri Narada, the sage among the devas, then said, 'Oh lion among kings, listen to my astonishing words. When I descended from Brahmaloka to Yamaloka, Lord Yamaraja praised me very graciously and offered me an excellent seat. As I glorified his truthfulness and wonderful service to the Supreme Lord, I noticed your father in Yamaraja's assembly. Though he had been very religious, because he broke an Ekadasi fast prematurely, he had to go to the Yamaloka. Your father gave me a message for you. He said, "In Mahishmati lives a king named Indrasena. Please tell him about my situation here - that because of my past sinful deeds I have somehow been forced to reside in Yamaraja's kingdom. Please give him this message from me: 'Oh son, kindly observe the coming Indira Ekadasi and give much in charity so I can go upward to heaven.' "

Philosophically we can understand that every living entity is an individual, and individually everyone has to practice Krishna consciousness to traverse back to home, back to Godhead. As stated in Garuda Purana, someone who is suffering in hell cannot practice Krishna consciousness, because this requires some mental peace, which the reactionary tortures of hell make impossible. If a relative of a sinner suffering in hell gives some charity in the name of the sinner, he can leave hell and enter the heavenly planets. But if the sinner's relative observes this Ekadasi fast for his suffering kinsman, the kinsman goes directly to the spiritual world, as stated in this narration based on Brahma-vaivarta Puranam.

"Narada continued, 'Just to deliver this message, Oh king, have I come to you. You should help your father by observing the fast of Indira Ekadasi. By the merit you gain, your father will go to heaven.' "King Indrasena asked, 'Oh great Naradji, please be merciful and tell me specifically how to observe a fast on Indira Ekadasi, and also tell me during what month and on what day it occurs.'

"Narada Muni replied, 'Oh king, please listen as I describe to you the full process of observing the Indira Ekadasi.

1. This Ekadasi occurs during the dark fortnight of the month of Ashwin.

2. On the Dashami tithi, the day before Ekadasi, rise early in the morning, take bath, and then do some service for God with full faith.

3. At noon, bathe again in running water and then offer oblations to your forefathers with faith and devotion.

4. Be sure not to eat more than once on this day and at night sleep on the floor.

5. "When you awaken on Ekadasii morning, cleanse your mouth and teeth thoroughly and then with deep devotion for the Lord take this sacred vow: 'Today I shall fast completely and give up all kinds of sense enjoyment. Oh lotus-eyed Supreme Personality of Godhead, Oh infallible one, please give me shelter at Your lotus feet."

6. At noon, stand before the sacred form of the Sri Shaligram Shila and worship Him faithfully, following all the rules and regulations; then offer oblations of ghee into the sacred fire, and tarpana directed to help your forefathers.

8. Now take the food pindas you offered to your forefathers, smell it, and then offer it to a cow. Next, worship Lord Hrishikesha with incense and flowers, and finally, remain awake all night near the Deity of Lord Sri Keshava.

9. "Early in the morning of the next day, Dvadasi tithi, worship Sri Hari with great devotion and invite Brahmin devotees to a sumptuous feast.

10. Then feed you relatives, and finally take your meal in silence.

Oh king, if you strictly observe a fast on Indira Ekadasi in this way, with controlled senses, your father will surely be elevated to the abode of lord Vishnu.' After saying this, Devarishi Narada immediately disappeared from the scene to bless someone else with his presence.

"King Indrasena followed the great saint's instructions perfectly, observing the fast in the association of his relatives and servants. As he broke his fast on the Dvadasi tithi, flowers fell from the sky. The merit that Indrasena maharaj earned by observing this fast released his father from the kingdom of Yamaraja and caused him to attain a completely spiritual body. Indeed, Indrasena saw him rising to the abode of Lord Hari on the back of Garuda Vahan. Indrasena himself was able to rule his kingdom without any obstacles, and in time when he handed over the kingdom to his son, he also went to the spiritual realm of Vaikuntha.

"Oh Yudhishthira, these are the glories of the Indira Ekadasi, which occurs during the dark fortnight of the month of Ashwin.

Whoever hears or reads this narration certainly enjoys life in this world, is freed of all reactions to his past sins, and at the time of death returns home, back to Godhead, where he lives eternally."

Thus ends the narration of the glories of Ashwin-krishna Ekadasii, or Indira Ekadasi, taken from the Brahma-vaivarta Purana.

Dear Laksmi Kary. I am sorry to see that you are blaming me for all the bad public media stories that have come out of ISKCON post 1977. I did not create ANY of these stories, they were all in the media and I merely commented on them. You are blaming the messenger.

Hansadutta, on the other hand, was one of the primary ring leaders of the bogus post-1977 "GBC guru" party that made all this bad publicity. He knew better than any of us that Tamal, Satsvarupa, Jayapataka, Ramesvara, Jayatirtha, Harikesh, Bhagavan, Bhavananda, Kirtanananda, Hrdayananda, -- and his humble himself, were not qualified to be worshiped as Srila Prabhupada's and Krishna's guru successors. Hansadutta knew this better than any of us because -- he knew all these people were having all kinds of management problems, and a few of them would call each other "goof balls," and in sum they were not qualified to be gurus. Hansadutta knew that from the get go, better than any of us knew.

Hansadutta told me himself, that he had helped the other ten cook up their "appointed 11 guru's program" at SECRET meetings held among these eleven where they PLOTTED this deviant scheme. Hansadutta said ALL of them knew their "11 guru's program" was a bogus and essentially a criminal takeover scam -- but they did not care -- since they ALL wanted to take over Srila Prabhupada's mission (money, buildings, assets and important manpower) for themselves.

This was a criminal conspiracy to "usurp the assets" just like the Gaudiya Matha's deviants "usurped the assets." And when I went to Berkeley temple in 1975, there was a huge five foot high photo of Hansadutta sitting at the feet of Sridhara Maharaja, the founder father of the post 1936 homosexual guru's deviation. Srila Prabhupada said the Gaudiya Matha are the "usurpers" of the guru seat program, and that is where Hansadutta went for shelter? This also helped make the spin off of several thousand ISKCON devotees to the Gaudiya Matha's program.

Hansadutta admits this guru appointment fraud was due to the fact -- these leaders were all personally MOTIVATED for power, prestige, money, glory, worship and so forth. Hansadutta at least admits that was their motivation, i.e. they had material motivation. OK all the more reason that these eleven are not qualified to be gurus, people who are self-interested and personally motivated are not qualified to be worshiped as God's successors. As Berkeley police officer Joe Sanchez said, there was Srila Prabhupada, and then there were those who thought they were Srila Prabhupada.

In sum, Hansadutta supported this regime because he wanted a piece of the stolen Judas gold for himself. And devotees like Nanda Kumar say that their "kali chela" conspiracy against Srila Prabhupada was full blown even when Srila Prabhupada was still present, it was being cooked up at that time already.

And this is why some people like Prithu das said -- even in the mid-1970s -- that Srila Prabhupada had told him, "Most of my devotees are praying for me to live, but Hansadutta is praying for me to die (so he can sit in my seat)." And Tamal Krishna swami told me in 1976, "I know you Puranjan, you are waiting for Srila Prabhupada to die so YOU CAN SIT IN HIS SEAT." Yep, the Hansadutta group was meditating on -- sitting in their guru's seat. In sum, Tamal and Hansadutta then became best buddies after 1977, because they were both in agreement that they should sit in his seat.

Then there was the 1973 (?) incident where both Hansadutta and Kirtanananda had placed their photos on the altars even while Srila Prabhupada was here, and Srila Prabhupada said, "At least my God brothers waited for guru maharaja to depart before they did this." He was disgusted with their greed for being in his seat.

Hansadutta's history went way back to the early days with all these people like Kirtanananda, and he therefore should have known that Kirtanananda was a renegade from Srila Prabhupada more than a few times, and thus he should not be posted as the acharya. Of course, Harikesh had insulted Srila Prabhupada more than a few times, and this was known to a lot of us. Satsvarupa messed up the book keeping in Boston so they could not even pay their electric bill. Bhagavan was almost removed from the GBC at one point because he had refused to pay the trash bill -- so the Paris temple got a huge fine from the city. Bhavananda had blooped more than a few times to go stay at Andy Warhol's place, and so on and so forth.

It would seem Hansadutta would have known all these details probably more than any of us, since he was intimately connected to ALL of these folks ALL along from the start of ISKCON. For Hansadutta to want to place these KNOWN severely conditioned souls in the Vyasasana seat of Srila Prabhupada was certainly a big blunder, at the very least. Naturally this would lead to a VERY dangerous "Charles Manson, David Koresh, Jim Jones, Heaven's Gate" cult environment, and it did. Hansadutta knew that was going to be the result because -- this is well known to be the result of posting conditioned souls as messiahs.

And who was it that was reading about Hitler and Joeseph Goebels? OK it was Hansadutta, he often quoted "tell a lie so big no one could challenge it" -- and many times. Even Srila Prabhupada had to say to Hansadutta, we should not be reading books about Hitler. These 1930s folks in Germany were experts at the deviated psychology of "mass mind manipulation" in order to promote themselves. Hansadutta's studying their writings was to enhance his personal ambitions and desire for their mundane mind manipulation skills, which has no basis in spiritual understanding. Of course, Srila Prabhupada says the demons use black magic style mind control techniques to fool and thus control the mass of people, so they can cheat and exploit the mass of people.

After 1978 people like Mahamsa swami complained that Hansadutta's people were making death threats against him, so right away we had a violent criminal cult going on to remove all of the original Srila Prabhupada disciples. Yasodananda was told that some of them were going to break his legs if he stayed. I was getting threats from the Jayatirtha people, and so on and so forth. Hansadutta's folks were making death threats against the devotees of Srila Prabhupada, and Srila Prabhupada says, -- the way you treat the master's dog is how the master gauges how you would treat him. Well, Hansadutta's program wanted to have us killed.

By 1985 Hansadutta had got rid of all but two original disciples of Srila Prabhupada from Berkeley, one was gay and one was a criminal, these guys got to stay. And the police were making constant visits to the temple to make arrests there in Berkeley for all sorts of felony crimes, because Hansadutta wanted to make Krishna's ISKCON into his own personal criminal empire, and he did. Later on the newspapers had a big article, "Machine Gun Swami," ok that was Hansadutta who was arrested for possession of a machine gun, making horrific publicity for ISKCON, not me?

Hansadutta convinced poor Vipra das to "take the rap" for the machine gun to save himself from going to jail. He just destroys others lives with no thought or consideration. Vipra took the rap thinking he was helping save ISKCON from a scandal, and Hansadutta was expert at exploiting these sentiments to use and abuse others.

Yes, Hansadutta eventually thought he was going to die from drug overdose, so he invited me to come to the temple to "preach about Prabhupada," but he never really made it clear to his flock that he was on my side. Rather he would also glorify Kirtanananda as "the only pure devotee on the planet," so he was at best causing (intentional?) confusion among his followers. Hansadutta was sort of backing both our "Prabhupadanuga" idea and the "Kirtanananda swami is pure" idea, simultaneously, at the same time. That means our lives were in danger, because Kirtanananda's program sometimes assassinated dissenters.

When I was living there at the Berkeley temple in 1985, fifty of Srila Prabhupada's original devotees came to Berkeley to attend a new age festival. I invited them to come over the Berkeley temple with me and they said, "Hell no, we are not going to go over there to get our faces pounded in by Hansadutta's thugs, he is a dangerous criminal." And this "violent cult mood" had been the exact mood that Hansadutta wanted to project, that he is a dangerous criminal, so all of Srila Prabhupada's ACTUAL devotees would stay away and he could thus promote his deviants and friends like Kirtanananda as saints.

And then there was a big problem in the overall society of things like child abuse, in addition to the other problems of Srila Prabhupada's devotees being banned, beaten and assassinated. And so, while all these children were suffering and getting abused, and people like Sulochana were being chased by angry mobs of these guru's goondas, meanwhile Hansadutta for his part was just getting stoned on various intoxicants, including apparently percodan, and having illicit sex with various lady disciples. He could care less that his victims, including children, were suffering so badly like this. And that is one main reasons almost all these children today are not coming to ISKCON, they have had their faith shattered by the Hansadutta regime's leaders.

Lets look at some other victims of this bogus guru regime, for starters -- the example mother Tribhuv. She was PREMATURELY removed from her pujari service by the Hansadutta regime, then she told me because of that -- she had "lost her will to live." She did not want to live any longer without seeing her dear lord Jagganath. One year later, I was sitting in the hospital by her bed side as she lay dying of terminal cancer. She was dying PREMATURELY.

Why was she dying?

Because, she had "lost her will to live" -- because of the actions of others, that means she was killed. Who killed her? She was de facto murdered, that's my opinion, because taking away her service killed her. And the person who orchestrated taking away that service? That would be Mr. Hansadutta and his regime, and that means he has her blood on his hands. And that is merely one out of of thousands of victims of this regime.

Then again, what happened to Buddhimanta? Died prematurely. Himavati? Died prematurely. The disciple of Hansadutta who committed suicide, being fried that his guru was a hoax? Died prematurely. Sulochana das? Died prematurely. Its endless really, Mula Prakrti, Kulashekhar. Tribhuvanath, ok really the list is endless of ALL these people who died WAY before their time. And up to a recent event where a local devotee died of alcohol poison because of being discouraged by these contaminated gurus. OK that means the Hansadutta regime has caused the untimely death of hundreds of vaishnavas, premature or otherwise.

Of course, the spiritual deaths would be in the millions if we consider that this movement was supposed to save millions in the world. Its like a mass spiritual abortion program going on here ...

Never mind that many ex-gurukuli children were also discouraged en masse by these false gurus and many of them ended up thinking the religion is a fraud, Many of them have had drug problems, never mind a suicide problem, and so many other problems, no one can start to count them, all thanks to Hansadutta's crazy guru process which alienated them wholesale. Yet the laws of nature are most strict, someone is going to have to be accountable and pay the price for each one and all of these victims, that's all there is to it. And that is why the Isopanisad says, better for a bogus acharya to have never even heard of the Vedas, his future is very dark. Even the ordinary man has a much brighter future than false acharyas, that is what shastra says.

Anyway, thanks to fraud gurus like Hansadutta, some numbers of these poor ex-kulis children ended up eating hamburgers and cursing at Krishna. Hansadutta mis-represented Krishna to them and this caused them to revolt against Krishna. Hansadutta's eleven guru's regime thus caused hundreds if not thousands of people to become faithless, if not millions if we include the bad media he caused, and that is what Srila Prabhupada says, bogus spiritual leaders make the masses become faithless, basically Hansadutta and his pal's program post 1977.

If a person is born as a devotee, is then mistreated by his religion's leaders, and the victim starts eating hamburgers, guess who is responsible? Yep, the leaders who caused the alienation are responsible, they aborted this child's spiritual life.

So now you are citing some outsiders who are upset with the religion, because of the actions of fools like Hansadutta who misrepresented the religion, but the Hansadutta guru process also alienated and upset even MOST the adults in ISKCON, and they almost ALL left in a huge exodus. And worse, Hansadutta's program furthermore alienated MOST of the children BORN inside the movement. These children are NOW gone and ARE not coming back! EVER! That means FOREVER!

Srila Prabhupada said he was counting on these children to make a new wave of people to promote his mission, and almost all of them were spiritually killed off by these false acharyas. What is the karma for that? I hate to even think what it would be, killing off and aborting the children of Srila Prabhupada and bringing a number of them back to hamburgers instead of Krishna? Who caused this to happen? The leaders of course, this did not happen by chance or accident.

Never mind that, Hansadutta's process caused mass public alienation of the religion, so he caused most people outside AS WELL AS most of those already inside the movement to be fried and alienated from the religion. He fried out the first generation of devotees, second generation of devotees, and millions in the public, all in one big swoop. Fried them all to toast so that he could sit in a big seat for a few years.

I had nothing to do with his actions in this regard, except, I reported on him in my newsletters. You are quoting the outsiders who are alienated, forgetting that Hansadutta' program also alienated 99 percent of the Srila Prabhupada INSIDE ISKCON devotees and 99 percent of their children from participating in ISKCON. He created a massive exodus to get away from the putrid stink of his motivated ego-tism and self-appointed acharya's program. The 99 percent of devotees who left will never return, they are totally disgusted with this guru program and want nothing to do with it, ever again. Forever.

And all the while as Hansadutta's program was stomping giant jackboots on all these innocent people, he was just getting stoned on intoxicants, and shooting guns at occupied buildings, while he was carrying $15,000 cash in his pocket. He had only been interested in taking care of himself. Who was ordering all these children they had to worship deviants like Kirtanananda? Who made all this mess for all these children? Who said we are demons when we said there is a problem with these children's treatment? And who helped demonize us to get us killed when we protested Hansadutta's criminally abusive guru cult?

We all know whom that is, we just do not know when these people are going to accept individual or collective responsibility for generating all this criminal mayhem, but they will have to accept responsibility either now or in their future lives, what we sow is what we reap. On the other hand, we convinced a number of Hansadutta followers to worship Srila Prabhupada, and many of them still shake my hand when they see me today being thankful we set them on the right path.

If a person has to go to hell for some years -- for each hair on the body of a cow that he helps get slaughtered (by eating meat) -- then what about each hair on the head of Sulochana? And Tribhuv? And so on and so forth? Who will have to answer for all these untimely deaths? We say, and shastra says, it the people who caused all these deaths.

OK that means Hansadutta and his 11 guru's regime, individually and collectively, they caused all this, they are responsible for all this. I reported on it, because it was an important issue, that these gurus were ruining the lives of countless people and ruining the mission of Lord Chaitanya. That means of course, the agents of the Lord will deal severely with these people who exploited this mission in their own way, and I'm glad not to have been part of this gang of usurpers of property that belongs to GOD ALMIGHTY.

Hansadutta was thus demonizing me and Sulochana on purpose, to get us killed, he wanted us to die and he got his wishes partly fulfilled. Hansadutta knew FULL WELL that Kirtanananda had a dangerous cult going on, and he knew we were complaining about that cult, then he sided with the child abusers and devotee assassins club because -- he supported them and crammed all this down the throats of the devotees, the women, and the ISKCON children, and the public. He crammed these molester messiahs down the throats of others, so he is fully responsible for the results. I was saying lets not cram these bogus gurus down the throats of others, so this was done by him and not me.

Narayana Maharaja says the false guru program of the Gaudiya Matha was torturing and brutalizing the devotees, and Hansadutta just followed in their footsteps. He was torturing these hundreds if not thousands of people by forcing them to stay away from their beloved Krishna, sometimes causing their death, and causing many spiritual deaths to boot.

Worse, some of these deaths were due to slowly dying of cancer like Tribhuv, which means, the Hansadutta regime tortured her to death. Its hard for us to even think of the karma these people will be enduring for all this oppression upon these innocent souls, especially these poor women and children. Anyone who causes Krishna's devotees to suffer and even die will never expect to get much mercy from the Lord or any agents of the Lord, that is the opinion of shastra.

If Hansadutta had said this is all bogus from the get go, he could have save a lot of these people, At least Berkeley could have been saved and there would be not so many victims here. He did speak up somewhat to his credit, but he waited until it was too late for most folks to say a few words, and its not a complete explanation either. Neither Hansadutta has explained why his best pals were saying "the poison is going down" in Srila Prabhupada's room. And why did Nanda Kumar say he had to leave Vrndavana in 1977 because these kali chelas (Hansadutta's associates) were mistreating Srila Prabhupada? Why does Hansadutta not explain any of this?

If you want to know why there is a bad image of the movement, first ask them why they created this mess and it had to be reported by the police, media, FBI and so on? Hansadutta created a bad image of the movement all over the world. causing even a number of the children to reject the religion and start eating hamburgers. His program caused this alienation.

Another among countless victims is Bhakta das. After Hansadutta's people stole his briefcase and started using his credit cards he went into a tail spin and has never recovered, he also ran off to the Gaudiya Matha. His service and association was destroyed just like hundreds of others had their lives destroyed. No one is authorized to destroy the lives of Krishna's devotees, there is a heavy penalty for that. Indeed, the heaviest penalty, which is why these false gurus are destined for the most obnoxious regions, they have to pay back what they stole from all these thousands of people, what they stole from Krishna and His pure devotee, and all this is compounded daily with interest.

Hansadutta also took those big Krishna deities and placed them in a shed where he lives. Doesn't that say it all? He drove away all the devotees and was left with deities he cannot care for properly, and he has Krishna kidnapped away in a isolated shed. Srila Prabhupada said we need fifty brahmanas to worship Radha and Krishna, and now there is no one there for them, just a shed in the country. Srila Prabhupada wanted hundreds of devotees, kirtanas, pujaris, programs, he did not want Krishna to be stuck in a shed somewhere?

Your own husband told me that Hansadutta had ordered him to divorce you so he could marry you. What kind of guru orders a married woman to divorce so he can marry her? Again, he is another victim, and you are an unkowing victim. Then your own husband, i.e. another victim, left the place in disgust. And his devotee brother went with him too, and so on and so on and so on and so on, all so that Hansadutta could manipulate these poor souls for his own personal gratification. Of course, one devotee was going to shoot Hansadutta with a shot gun for having sex with his wife, and I saved Hansadutta by restraining this person who was going to drive to the farm to blow off Hansadutta's head. So before you condemn me, realize that I am the person who saved Hansadutta's life.

You folks have to start to get this history in order, I did not cause any of these crimes, I reported them. After Sulochana was killed Hansadutta sent everyone to New Vrndavana, he wanted to be in all the bad media, he sent everyone there because he knew these people were murderers of Vaishnavas and he wanted the murderers to be worshiped. And because he sent everyone to New Vrndavana, Berkeley was a basket case and still is, he burnt that place to the ground be sending all the sevakas away. So he should just admit to all this and get it over with instead of still trying to still defend himself as some sort of victim himself, he is the perpetrator, not the victim. ys pd

[PADA: Not sure if this is all accurate, but anyway we will comment on the story as it is being presented.]

Hearing of the Main SLP Commenced in Bangalore Case

BY: SUN CORRESPONDENT

Sep 16, 2014 — NEW DELHI, INDIA (SUN) —

[PADA: Sun "Correspondent" is probably Dayarama das (JPS), who told me that I am right, his GBC leaders have been making homosexuals and other fools into their acharyas. How these people even got into a court is beyond my comprehension, homosexuals are God's successors, and thus that agenda is accepted by the courts?]

Today the Supreme Court started their hearing of the main SLP in the Bangalore vs. Mumbai lawsuit. ISKCON's main senior counsel, Sri K. K. Venugopal, was not keeping well (he had fever) and therefore wanted the matter to be adjourned for a week. Madhu Pandit dasa's senior lawyer strongly opposed, however, and there was a heated exchange of words between Madhu Pandit's lawyer and Krishnan Venugopal, the son of K. K. Venugopal who is also senior counsel, but is junior to his father in representing ISKCON reg. in Mumbai.

[PADA: Really? A program that says homosexuals and deviants are Lord Krishna's successor acharyas -- has a lawyer to defend them? Amazing!]

The Judges were inclined to grant the adjournment but as Madhu Pandit's senior was not relenting, the Judges made the decision to hear the matter till lunch and then post it to next week for further hearing. After hearing the matter for more than two hours, the court posted it for hearing on next Thursday, 25 September, 2014.

During the course of the hearing Madhu Pandit's lawyer made the judges go through the 'Direction of Management' of Srila Prabhupada as well as some of the letters of Srila Prabhupada. The senior Judge commented that from the letters, it appears that Srila Prabhupada, apart from being a spiritualist, was a very accomplished administrator. His appreciation of Srila Prabhupada in the open court was very pleasing to hear.

Madhu Pandit's lawyer took the judge through the July 9th, 1977 Letter (appointment of ritviks etc.), indicating a theological discussion, but the senior Judge told Madhu Pandit's lawyer that this is not the issue the court should be involved in, and it this is not the dispute before them.

Madhu Pandit's lawyer said just as all Muslims accept Prophet Mohammad as authority, so everyone in ISKCON accepts Srila Prabhupada. The Judge said, but they may disagree on interpretation of the teaching. So court cannot get involved with that. Fortunately, the Judges did not allow this issue to cloud or derail the main issue.

It is a fact that in Madhu Pandit's suit there is no prayer for enforcement of the Ritvik system in ISKCON. The suit is only for the ownership and management of the ISKCON Temple at Bangalore.

[PADA: OK so lets get this straight, its ok to support a program of worship illicit sex with men, women and children as God's acharyas and messiahs -- because its a matter the court cannot deal with since, its a theological argument? No -- its a basic moral argument, are deviants God's successors or not? Any ten year old child in the USA knows that a program of "deviants as God's successors" is bogus, why is this so baffling for these assembled folks?Worse, this "clouds the main issue"? Why isn't this the main issue, that saying deviants are acharyas is a criminally FRAUDULENT mis-representation of Srila Prabhupada, ISKCON, dharma, the Vedas, and India's culture and etc? Why are we not asking these judges -- why such a perverted deviation from dharma is being allowed, and why aren't the people promoting this deviation under criminal charges of fraud?This is similar to what happened in 1997 when we said, this court case should be about the criminal fraud of misrepresenting ISKCON and its aims, ideals, objectives and the instruction of the founder, and moreover saying deviants are acharyas is an attack on India's heritage and culture. But the IRM folks, ok Krishna Kanta, said this is "too heavy, its bad language," and so forth, and they wanted to make a debate based on some inner circle ISKCON legal documents, which avoids the main fraud and misrepresentation complaint.Of course nowadays we still have people like the GBC gurus / Bhakta das / et al. saying that our complaints are "using bad language." This is why I am so fortunate to have grown up in the USA. If someone walks into a bar in the USA and says, "homosexuals, sexual predators, molesters and criminals are successors to God," that person would be treated very severely by the bar patrons, because people here have basic respect for God. The common man would not allow someone to insult God in this manner. Its amazing to me that this is being allowed, even legally allowed, by these folks? Of course, since 1977 as soon as we say, homosexuals, sexual predators, molesters and criminals are NOT God's successors, then immediately the GBC and their goody two shoes defenders like Bhakta / Prahlad / Prabhupadnauga EU etc. -- all come out of the wood work and say, oh forsooth this is "stooly language"! We have to allow these deviants to sit in the seat of God's successors, and only use nice language around them, while we get Bhakta das to offer them a chamara fan! We have to "use nice language" regarding the people who created Srila Prabhupada's poison complaint? Amazing cry babies! I also easily can imagine what would happen to all these assembled deviants in Vedic times, the pious king would take such offenders to task immediately and not allow them to function in his society, -- the whole group would be ALL marked as criminals. Saying deviants are NOT acharyas is what people HAD TO SAY in Vedic times, saying otherwise was FORBIDDEN. Of course this is why the people saying "this is bad language" never debate with us, we defeat them right out of the gate with this one argument alone. But hey its Kali Yuga, so now, anyone who says deviants are not God's successors is "using bad language" and not only the GBC deviants but even their new followers on Prabhupadanugas EU are crying like a baby that we are insulting the deviants posing as messiahs with "bad language." I thank God every day I grew up in USA, so I'd have the sense to know that one should NOT endorse and defend the people who are insulting God by saying His successors are deviants. Anyway, we are glad someone had put these documents into court, that is a great start. And Madhu Pandit is the only person with enough sense to even try to forward this in court, so that is also good. Now there are some critics of PADA who say we were causing all the trouble by using bad language, going to the police and media for back up and so on. Well fine, except -- that means none of these folks can defeat our original argument, that deviants are not God's successors? And this means, they are just upset that the police and media backed up my version all along, and they still do today. These police and media folks are on my side eternally, and so are ALL the people in any USA bar, they are also on my side, as is any ten year old child on my side, and so is God on our side of this argument, God does not want to see deviants to be listed as His guru successors, its just not what He agrees to -- eternally. We will win this eventually, of that I am quite confident, because its what God wants, to see only His pure devotees listed as His successors. Satyam eva jayate. ys pd]