its abit weird u will be driving then the car starts to splutter then seems to clear itself run ok for a while then u stop it and its seems as if the car has flooded ..once it clears itself will run fine for awhile ?????

I think the tell here is that it runs fine until he shuts it off and then tries to re-start. If it is indeed flooding, won't he smell gas? If the injectors are leaking, wouldn't his fuel economy go out the window?

I would think basics here, plugs, wires, dist cap (although if any of that was marginal, I would expect hard starting in the morning as well).Possible bad temp sender to the ECU? Fairly easy to check.

Could it also be as simple as a weak battery? Those cause all kinds of havoc.

Quotealanrw
I think the tell here is that it runs fine until he shuts it off and then tries to re-start. If it is indeed flooding, won't he smell gas? If the injectors are leaking, wouldn't his fuel economy go out the window?

I would think basics here, plugs, wires, dist cap (although if any of that was marginal, I would expect hard starting in the morning as well).Possible bad temp sender to the ECU? Fairly easy to check.

Could it also be as simple as a weak battery? Those cause all kinds of havoc.

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I agree but cookie might have trouble with the Main relay, weak fuel pump (these have two). When the motor stops that would be the time to check systems; fuel and spark. Spark is the easiest so go there first.

this seems to be an intermitant prob as hot or cold start it seems as if its flooded ...but it does not do this all the time....only occasionally ....... i have replaced the plugs leads and dizzy cap ?????

car starts to splutter then seems to clear itself run ok for a while then u stop it and its seems as if the car has flooded...

an intermitant prob hot or cold start it seems as if its flooded...

Before we go too far down this road, maybe you should describe more precisely the symptoms which make you think it's flooded.

Is it cranking over fine, but just not firing? Is it belching black smoke when it finally does start? Can you smell gasoline coming out the exhaust? Have you tried pulling the spark plugs to see if one (or all) of the plugs are wet?

car starts to splutter then seems to clear itself run ok for a while then u stop it and its seems as if the car has flooded...

an intermitant prob hot or cold start it seems as if its flooded...

Before we go too far down this road, maybe you should describe more precisely the symptoms which make you think it's flooded.

Is it cranking over fine, but just not firing? Is it belching black smoke when it finally does start? Can you smell gasoline coming out the exhaust? Have you tried pulling the spark plugs to see if one (or all) of the plugs are wet?

yes to all above cranking fine/.... black smoke ,,, smell of petrol ...once started will clear itself and run ok ...start ok a few times,,,, then this will happen all over i would rather it shit itself with one problem

Quotecookieesp
yes to all above cranking fine/.... black smoke ,,, smell of petrol ...once started will clear itself and run ok ...start ok a few times,,,, then this will happen all over i would rather it shit itself with one problem

I repeat my initial diagnosis; have the coolant temperature sensor checked and the injectors.

Quotecookieesp
yes to all above cranking fine/.... black smoke ,,, smell of petrol ...once started will clear itself and run ok ...start ok a few times,,,, then this will happen all over i would rather it shit itself with one problem

I repeat my initial diagnosis; have the coolant temperature sensor checked and the injectors.

I'm with Peter on this one.

If it's leaky injectors the fuel system won't hold pressure after the engine is shut off. Fuel will bleed out into the intake and flood the engine making it hard to start. Furthermore, even if not flooded, it will require a longer crank period on the starter motor before the fuel pump rebuilds the required fuel pressure.

If the injectors are not actually leaking, it's still possible that they are being cycled open too long by the ECU causing flooding if the coolant sensors are feeding the ECU wrong information.

On the 86 325e there are up to four (4) separate coolant sensors mounted on the thermostat housing. See this RealOEM drawing.

#12 - Remote thermometre sending unit: This one is only connected to the temp gauge in your instrument cluster.
#13 - Temperature sensor, water: This is the important one that's used by the ECU to regulate injector pulses.
#15 - Temperature switch: This is just a switch that closes below 0-C (32F) to bump up idle speed.
#16 - Temperature Time Switch: This switch is dual-function. On cold starts it is closed for a certain time period (can't remember how long), or stays open if the coolant temp is above 35-C (95F). While the switch is closed it powers the cold-start injector, which is a separate little fuel injector mounted into the intake manifold up above the exhaust side of the engine (#7 in this drawing).

If either of those two sensors #13 or #16 in the RealOem drawing are buggered, it can cause flooding. Or if any of the fuel injectors (including the cold-start injector) are leaking, i.e. not properly closing fully, it will cause flooding.

Does the 325E have a schrader release valve on the injector log? Many cars have these in order to release fuel pressure before servicing the injectors. If the injectors are indeed leaking, thereby releasing fuel pressure, pressing the schrader valve after 30 minute would show no fuel squirting out. If no schrader valve, wait 30 minutes and simply disconnect the fuel line on it's way to the injector log. There are several places to do this. If everything is well, you should get fuel squirting out when you break the connection. If the injectors are indeed leaking, no fuel when you break the connection.

thanks guys i'm abit of a novice at this and this is also my first BMW so thanks for the info i will try to fix the probs with this new info ....the car seems to have alot of little faults so many thanks once again

Quotecookieesp
thanks guys i'm abit of a novice at this and this is also my first BMW so thanks for the info i will try to fix the probs with this new info ....the car seems to have alot of little faults so many thanks once again

Since many of us have experienced one or more of your problems and fixed them ourselves; don't hesitate to ask questions and seek advice on how to do these tests. We're here to help if we can

If you suspect flooding on the start, which one would if it did not start in about 4 seconds. Stop and press the gas pedal all the way to the floor and hold it there. Then try the starter with the pedal floored. Be ready though, when it does start, the engine will accelerate very quickly and you want to get off the pedal as soon as the tach hits about 2000 rpm. it will still accelerate past that but no sense hitting the rev limiter.

When the pedal is held down, the injectors are inhibited from turning on fuel so the flooding will not continue.

QuoteBob in Everett
I did read it somewhere and it seems like it works for mine when it floods. Can't remember where it came up. Began to think I was going to damage the starter before I learned about it.

Bob in Everett

Well, the problem with that theory is that if pressing the accelerator pedal shuts off the fuel flow; the engine would never start.

As others have pointed out, the fuel flow will be shut off if the engine doesn't start after 30 seconds or so(that's just a guess based on what is described in the Bosch Fuel Injection manual) and it is not affected by throttle position