"Ashkenaz" was the medieval Hebrew name for Germany, based on the names of one of the descendants of Noah in Genesis 10. Here's Wikipedia on the etymology of the name:

EtymologyThe name Ashkenazi derives from the biblical figure of Ashkenaz, the first son of Gomer, and a Japhetic patriarch in the Table of Nations (Genesis 10). The name of Gomer has often been linked to the ethnonym Cimmerians. Biblical Ashkenaz is usually derived from Assyrian Aškūza (cuneiform Aškuzai/Iškuzai), a people who expelled the Cimmerians from the Armenian area of the Upper Euphrates,[28] whose name is usually associated with the name of the Scythians.[29][30] The intrusive n in the Biblical name is likely due to a scribal error confusing a waw ו with a nun נ.[29][30][31]

In Jeremiah 51:27, Ashkenaz figures as one of three kingdoms in the far north, the others being Minni and Ararat, perhaps corresponding to Urartu, called on by God to resist Babylon.[31][32]

In the Yoma tractate of the Babylonian Talmud the name Gomer is rendered as Germania, which elsewhere in rabbinical literature was identified with Germanikia in northwestern Syria, but later became associated with Germania. Ashkenaz is linked to Scandza/Scanzia, viewed as the cradle of Germanic tribes, as early as a 6th-century gloss to the Historia Ecclesiastica of Eusebius.[33] In the 10th-century History of Armenia of Yovhannes Drasxanakertc'i (1.15) Ashkenaz was associated with Armenia,[28] as it was occasionally in Jewish usage, where its denotation extended at times to Adiabene, Khazaria, Crimea and areas to the east.[34] His contemporary Saadia Gaon identified Ashkenaz with the Saquliba or Slavic territories,[35] and such usage covered also the lands of tribes neighboring the Slavs, and Eastern and Central Europe.[34] In modern times, Samuel Krauss identified the Biblical "Ashkenaz" with Khazaria.[35]

Sometime in the early medieval period, the Jews of central and eastern Europe came to be called by this term.[31] In conformity with the custom of designating areas of Jewish settlement with biblical names, Spain was denominated Sefarad (Obadiah 20), France was called Tsarefat (1 Kings 17:9), and Bohemia was called the Land of Canaan.[36] By the high medieval period, Talmudic commentators like Rashi began to use Ashkenaz/Eretz Ashkenaz to designate Germany, earlier known as Loter,[31][33] where, especially in the Rhineland communities of Speyer, Worms and Mainz, the most important Jewish communities arose.[37] Rashi uses leshon Ashkenaz (Ashkenazi language) to describe German speech, and Byzantium and Syrian Jewish letters referred to the Crusaders as Ashkenazim.[33] Given the close links between the Jewish communities of France and Germany following the Carolingian unification, the term Ashkenazi came to refer to both the Jews of medieval Germany and France.[38]

In any event, I don't really agree with the article. Ashekenazi Jews are white, but Jews as a whole include all races:

Im not sure youre familiar with 23andme, its a DNA test that tracks your roots through your DNA and its really accurate.

Different races that have different genes and they can easily be determinated. European (white) is one of the main categories that includes subtypes like German/french, Italians, Ashkenazis, baltics, etc (each one with their own distinctive genes).. So ashkenazies are genetically white.

Middle Eastern are another main catgeory, different than whites.

Some places like Spain or southern Italy are quite mixed and a big part of the population is partially middle eastern, at least genetically. That's why they look darker. What Im saying is ashkenazis might not concider themselves ethnically white, but they can't trick DNA.

Im not sure youre familiar with 23andme, its a DNA test that tracks your roots through your DNA and its really accurate.

Different races that have different genes and they can easily be determinated. European (white) is one of the main categories that includes subtypes like German/french, Italians, Ashkenazis, baltics, etc (each one with their own distinctive genes).. So ashkenazies are genetically white.

Middle Eastern are another main catgeory, different than whites.

Some places are mixed though like Spain or souther Italy that have many dark mediterraneans with middle eastern blood. But these are mixes formed by 2 different things (white and middle eastern). What I say is you can't trick DNA.

Though I myself find fascination with Jews, would anyone actually want affiliation with them? And note the abuse and misuse of science and language in the most recent open relationship thread just to satisfy Jewish bourgeois egotism...

Im not sure youre familiar with 23andme, its a DNA test that tracks your roots through your DNA and its really accurate.

Different races that have different genes and they can easily be determinated. European (white) is one of the main categories that includes subtypes like German/french, Italians, Ashkenazis, baltics, etc (each one with their own distinctive genes).. So ashkenazies are genetically white.

Middle Eastern are another main catgeory, different than whites.

Some places are mixed though like Spain or souther Italy that have many dark mediterraneans with middle eastern blood. But these are mixes formed by 2 different things (white and middle eastern). What I say is you can't trick DNA.

Though I myself find fascination with Jews, would anyone actually want affiliation with them? And note the abuse and misuse of science and language in the most recent open relationship thread just to satisfy Jewish bourgeois egotism...

Answer to your question: probably not - but that's not the point. What I say is they are genetically white, like it or not, why is it so hard to understand? Im not making this up, it's scientifically prooved , the reason I know is because I got tested myself so Ive been reading a lot about it, by the way, Im 0% ashkenazi

^^ There are many people in the middle east with green eyes and fair skin and they still got middle eastern blood - either that or their ansestors were white. Whatever it is a DNA test reveals the exact gens composition and background. For example maybe your parents are from Palestine, have green eyes and fair skin; they might be 100% middle eastern or maybe the DNA results show they have european blood, which means their ansestors emigrated from Europe to Palestine at some point.

My great grandfather was middle eastern himself and had light brown hair, however he obviously had middle eastern gens in him because 3 generations later I still got a percentage of middle eastern DNA in me.

Im not sure youre familiar with 23andme, its a DNA test that tracks your roots through your DNA and its really accurate.

Different races that have different genes and they can easily be determinated. European (white) is one of the main categories that includes subtypes like German/french, Italians, Ashkenazis, baltics, etc (each one with their own distinctive genes).. So ashkenazies are genetically white.

Middle Eastern are another main catgeory, different than whites.

Some places are mixed though like Spain or souther Italy that have many dark mediterraneans with middle eastern blood. But these are mixes formed by 2 different things (white and middle eastern). What I say is you can't trick DNA.

Though I myself find fascination with Jews, would anyone actually want affiliation with them? And note the abuse and misuse of science and language in the most recent open relationship thread just to satisfy Jewish bourgeois egotism...

Huh? Or, should I say, WTF? That said, the original article from the Times is a rather silly regurgitation/combination of junk science such as only the liberal press could print, the Times' posturing as an "independent" journal notwithstanding.

Im not sure youre familiar with 23andme, its a DNA test that tracks your roots through your DNA and its really accurate.

Different races that have different genes and they can easily be determinated. European (white) is one of the main categories that includes subtypes like German/french, Italians, Ashkenazis, baltics, etc (each one with their own distinctive genes).. So ashkenazies are genetically white.

Middle Eastern are another main catgeory, different than whites.

Some places are mixed though like Spain or souther Italy that have many dark mediterraneans with middle eastern blood. But these are mixes formed by 2 different things (white and middle eastern). What I say is you can't trick DNA.

Though I myself find fascination with Jews, would anyone actually want affiliation with them? And note the abuse and misuse of science and language in the most recent open relationship thread just to satisfy Jewish bourgeois egotism...

Huh? Or, should I say, WTF? That said, the original article from the Times is a rather silly regurgitation/combination of junk science such as only the liberal press could print, the Times' posturing as an "independent" journal notwithstanding.

I didn't realize you had commented on what I said until today. The reference to 'bourgeois egotism' is to indicate that there have always existed people who are so unabashedly self-indulgent and who will say anything to justify their indulgence, even to the point of abusing science and language to do so (the reasoning and studies cited on open relationships are quite useless since they are biased in favor of an 'egotistical bourgeois view'). Criticism of the 'bourgeois' predates the term itself, and such criticism tended to target people of a middle-upper class background and whose incomes are derived from activity or from professions that don't actually benefit much people, like litigators, college professors, various jobs in the financial sector, etc, etc. The bourgeoisie have produced various reactions over the ages, much of it actually tempered, but have inadvertently provided the impetus for extreme left/right political ideologies and governments in the last two hundred years, and with this last century being the most deadly for them in some countries. One can even say that Nazism, which championed traditional German peasant and labor values (like what one would find in some Midwestern cities) was the ultimate reaction and solution to the bourgeois value system of the self that typified the Weimar years. Bourgeois values have come to characterize most gay men and will characterize general society soon, if it hasn't already happened. The reference to 'Jewish bourgeois egotism' then, is to point out that Jews have often typified such a value system. More so than most, even when compared to today's gay men, the modern Jew is indulgence personified.

When Pazzy raves about gay white men he's actually making criticism of bourgeois elements of the gay community. However, some of the individuals he frequently has fights with on this forum don't actually have a bourgeois outlook on life, and ironically, he seems 'okay' with RJ members who wreak of bourgeois vibes (who variously come from places like Canada, Florida and New York, and some of whom are non-white). Perhaps it's better to attack the message and not the messenger? I do find that gay black men, while not free from bourgeois elements, are the least likely to be bourgeois and thus can be generally attractive because of it.

|| we show that all four major founders, ~40% of Ashkenazi mtDNA variation, have ancestry in prehistoric Europe, rather than the Near East or Caucasus. Furthermore, most of the remaining minor founders share a similar deep European ancestry. Thus the great majority of Ashkenazi maternal lineages were not brought from the Levant, as commonly supposed, nor recruited in the Caucasus, as sometimes suggested, but assimilated within Europe

|| the majority of contemporary Jews descended from the ancient Israelites that had lived in the historic land of Israel until ~2000 years ago. ...neither Ashkenazi nor Sephardic Jews cluster adjacent to their former host populations, a finding that argues against substantial admixture of males. These findings are in accordance with those described by Hammer et al. (2000).

|| The study demonstrates that the Y chromosome pool of Jews is an integral part of the genetic landscape of the region and, in particular, that Jews exhibit a high degree of genetic affinity to populations living in the north of the Fertile Crescent.

We've come a long way from the "one drop rule" when we consider people who may be going on 80% non-European to be "white".

|| we show that all four major founders, ~40% of Ashkenazi mtDNA variation, have ancestry in prehistoric Europe, rather than the Near East or Caucasus. Furthermore, most of the remaining minor founders share a similar deep European ancestry. Thus the great majority of Ashkenazi maternal lineages were not brought from the Levant, as commonly supposed, nor recruited in the Caucasus, as sometimes suggested, but assimilated within Europe

|| the majority of contemporary Jews descended from the ancient Israelites that had lived in the historic land of Israel until ~2000 years ago. ...neither Ashkenazi nor Sephardic Jews cluster adjacent to their former host populations, a finding that argues against substantial admixture of males. These findings are in accordance with those described by Hammer et al. (2000).

|| The study demonstrates that the Y chromosome pool of Jews is an integral part of the genetic landscape of the region and, in particular, that Jews exhibit a high degree of genetic affinity to populations living in the north of the Fertile Crescent.

We've come a long way from the "one drop rule" when we consider people who may be going on 80% non-European to be "white".

Ahh that's me, my mum is Ashkenazi Jew originating from Israel and my dad is half Jamaican half Irish (funny combination) but I got most of my genes from my mum whereas my sister was the opposite. We have a hard time making people believe that we are actually siblings -3-

Im not sure youre familiar with 23andme, its a DNA test that tracks your roots through your DNA and its really accurate.

Different races that have different genes and they can easily be determinated. European (white) is one of the main categories that includes subtypes like German/french, Italians, Ashkenazis, baltics, etc (each one with their own distinctive genes).. So ashkenazies are genetically white.

Middle Eastern are another main catgeory, different than whites.

Some places are mixed though like Spain or souther Italy that have many dark mediterraneans with middle eastern blood. But these are mixes formed by 2 different things (white and middle eastern). What I say is you can't trick DNA.

Though I myself find fascination with Jews, would anyone actually want affiliation with them? And note the abuse and misuse of science and language in the most recent open relationship thread just to satisfy Jewish bourgeois egotism...

(Bold added above).

That is naked anti-semitism and you should be ashamed of yourself. There are good Jews and bad Jews, just like every other race and ethnicity or group of people. I refute your hate.

Unnamed6 saidThough I myself find fascination with Jews, would anyone actually want affiliation with them? And note the abuse and misuse of science and language in the most recent open relationship thread just to satisfy Jewish bourgeois egotism...

(Bold added above).

That is naked anti-semitism and you should be ashamed of yourself. There are good Jews and bad Jews, just like every other race and ethnicity or group of people. I refute your hate.