by Wilson

Thursday, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:59 PM EDT

After a brief hiatus, Al Gore is back on his global warming warpath. After giving a laudatory keynote address at the 2013 Tahoe Summit, the victory lap continued with a lovey-dovey interview the Washington Post’s Ezra Klein.

The former vice president told Klein climate change deniers are like “an alcoholic father who flies into a rage every time a subject is mentioned” and believes his climate ‘science’ has taken a little while to catch on because it is on par with movements such as abolition, civil rights and gay rights, which all gained acceptance over time.

“This is very important. We have to apologize in no uncertain terms to Mister – and do I even dare call him Mister? It’s so beneath him. Sir, even though he’s not been knighted, I think he should be,” Glenn said on radio this morning. “Sir Albert Gore. Boy, was he right. He is now taking credit for how right he is.”

“And you know what,” Pat asked. “We may have been among those mocking him when he said it and yet, I’m ashamed.”

“We are ashamed. We should be ashamed,” Glenn agreed. “Anyway, I don’t know exactly how that works, but it’s really bad, and he has made some predictions. And should we go with the predictions or should we go with him taking the victory lap?”

You can watch Gore’s full remarks from the Tahoe Summit below:

For those of you who don’t have 34 minutes to spend watching Gore recycle his old global warming speeches, one of the themes he attempted to convey was that the models presented in his documentary An Inconvenient Truth have come true years ahead of schedule.

GORE: Back when that movie came out, the single most common criticism of those who disagreed with what I was trying to say was they pointed to the part in that movie where I did an animation saying that with rising sea levels and flood and the storm surges, the World Trade Center Memorial site could be invaded by ocean water. They say, that’s ridiculous, that can’t ever happen. How demagogic can you possibly be predicting such a thing? Well, it happened last October 29th, way ahead of schedule. And Dan Cuomo, who was a colleague of these two great governors, said he went down there that night and watched the ocean water flood right in to the World Trade Center Memorial site.

Not so fast…

Ignoring the fact that Superstorm Sandy – the catastrophic event to which Gore refers – is considered a 100-year storm, his good friends over at United Nations appear to have a different opinion of global warming.

While Gore may be confident that he has science on his side, TheBlaze is reporting “a recently leaked draft of a U.N. report shows that although climate experts are confident man-made activity is causing global warming, they are having a hard time explaining why the warming rate seems to have slowed in recent years.”

According to Reuters, who reviewed the leaked document, scientists are now explaining the slowed warming rate in a new way:

An IPCC draft says there is “medium confidence” that the slowing of the rise is “due in roughly equal measure” to natural variations in the weather and to other factors affecting energy reaching the Earth’s surface.

Scientists believe causes could include: greater-than-expected quantities of ash from volcanoes, which dims sunlight; a decline in heat from the sun during a current 11-year solar cycle; more heat being absorbed by the deep oceans; or the possibility that the climate may be less sensitive than expected to a build-up of carbon dioxide.

“It might be down to minor contributions that all add up,” said Gabriele Hegerl, a professor at Edinburgh University. Or maybe, scientists say, the latest decade is just a blip.

Yes, volcanoes are now being blamed for the slowing of global warming. Glenn, Pat, and Stu have some fun with the volcano claim in the clip below:

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Gristle McThornbody

The scientific opinion on climate change is that the Earth’s climate system is unequivocally warming, and it is more than 90% certain that humans are causing most of it through activities that increase concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, such as deforestation and burning fossil fuels.

Hey, didn’t read any of your recent vomit. I told you a day or so ago that I don’t talk to boxes of hair, so every time I see your name on a post, I stop at your name, read no further and put a warning flag on the post “Box of Hair” so others can avoid the idiotic toxicity.

Hope you have fun typing for no reason. Not reading, don’t even know what you have said.

When someone vomits, you don’t go inspect it, you avoid it like the plague.

Anonymous

Gristle–I flew in the U.S. Air Force & know the answers to ‘Rich Politicians’–who tell
Lies about the a Hoax of Global Warming-! I posted Facts about a Website which I
read about 18,000 Jet Air Liners flying above 25,000 ft. is the the #1 cause of all Co2
Polutions in the ‘Upper-Atmosphere”–by being named from the “Scientific Research’
in 2008–as the Top 12% of all Co2 Polutions-! Example–( 12% X 5 yrs = 60%)–a
“Solid” majority of these Co2 Polutions-! I posted this earlier on this web-site with more
details-!
But now–I am forced to reveal what happens on the ground-levels–in words that even
6 yr-olds can understand–by another “Scientific Research” which anyone can do–
including 6 yr-olds or even ‘Blind-Men’ to come to the same Results each time it’s done!
P.S. Even as a Kid–I’ve never been “Burned by Co2 Gases”–I’ve been Frozen–yes-!

Carbon Dioxide Gas is like “Casper-the Ghost”-! Co2 Gas is .033 of !% of the Air-!
He doesn’t weigh enough & is too thin to ever harm anyone-! (Did anyone ever study
the principle of a “Weight-Mass”-!?) They’ve not found enough Co2 Gas in the air to
‘Tip’ their scales-! You can ‘Triple it’ & still not have a tenth of !%-! False Phophets of
Evironments are not ‘Qualified’ to be Experts in a “Court of Law”-! You make one
mistake, & you No Longer have a ‘Expert Opinion’-! Let’s “Put their Feet to the Heat”
and try an easy Science Experiment, which anyone can do-! “Go at 3pm on a sunny
summer-day to a Shopping Center, which is paved with “Black Asphalt”–“Remove
socks & Shoes, & walk about 40 yds.–“Bare-footed” on the Hot Asphalt & quickly
wave your right-hand thru the Air, & try to contact as much Co2 Gas as you can, as
you Walk-! (Take some ‘Burn-Ointment’ with you-!) Now–let your nerves tell you the
Truth-! What body-part got burned-? Was it your hand that you waved thru the Air-!?
No-!? How about your FEET-!? Did they feel the Heat-!? Yep-! Now , about the Co2
gas, it can be compressed in a small pressure container the size of a “Plum”–but that
won’t heat any room in your House-! I’ve used a coke-sized Fire Extinquisher in High
School Chemistry-! If you push the trigger, the ‘clear’ Co2 rushes out & you see ‘Frost’
that forms on the nozzle-! (This means that Co2 cools-not heats the Air-!) We used
“Common-Sense” of “Scientific Research” to prove that Al Gore published a “Hoax”-!
There’s over 5.7 million sq.miles of paved Highways & Streets in the U.S.–without
counting all of the “Black-Asphalt” Parking Lots-! The rolled paving is over 6″ thick,
because cars & Trucks drive on them-! There’s enough Asphalt-Paving to completely
Cover the State of IOWA–that has 56,274 sq.miles, or 15% of the U.S. land-area-!
That 6″ thickness provides the ‘Weight-Mass’ needed for a ‘hot-sun’ to heat up
asphalt temperatures over 125 degrees to a point–where the surrounding ground & air,
will get a temp-rise–over 2 degrees for world Global-Warming Change-! But it’s not the
Co2 gas that did IT-! IT was the Billions of ‘Tons’ of “Solid” Carbon Asphalt–that DID
IT-! Even a blind-man or a 4th Grader can do our Research Experiment, which gets
the ‘Same Results’ each time, no matter who does the Experiment-! I want every
Lawyer & Congressmen, who believes in “Cap & Trade” of Co2 Gases to do “This
Walk with TV Media recording their “Pains”, as they “Give Themselves–A Hot-Foot”!
We’ll ask any of their friends to join them–if they don’t believe the RESULTS-! (Repeat
the Experiment & see if you get the same “Results” each time your nerves tell you
the “Truth”–no ‘LIES”-! Do “The Walk–before you ever Talk–“About Co2 causing
Global Warming”-! Besides, why do you want to be “Taxed on the ‘Free Air’ that you
Breathe-!? Let’s make them all “Take the Walk”-! (Or do they want to tear up and
“Remove all of our Highways-!? P.S. I was a “Hot Roofer” who worked with “Hot-
Asphalt Roofing” & (Yes–you can be badly “Burned by Hot Asphalt”-!)

americanathlete

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, when you get to 5,000 feet, blah, blah, blah, blah….Every time gore opens his mouth it’s like watching a horse lift it’s tail to take a al gore–or I mean a shisa!!!!!!!!! Global warming my a$$. Natural disasters are gonna continue as long as we keep taking God out of this country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How about a little less science and A LOT MORE GOD!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous

Sweetheart, I’m wiling to bet your a creationist. Am I right?

DE Navarro

Box of hair.

I’m willing to bet you have put your avowed and sold-out faith in the total random accident theory of man.

Al Gore is a proven leftist fraud and schemer interested only in power, control and wealth.

Anonymous

Al is getting low on cash plus his major investment into the Carbon Exchange is not going anywhere. He has to fund all those mansions and private jets. Global Warming pays big.

How many Polar Bears has AL-jeezera’s jet wash killed this year – two? thee dozen?

Anonymous

Sweetheart, post your evidence or piss-off. I’m not gonna let you get away with any bogus claims, you bonehead. You need a good BITCH-SLAP!! Wathch how it’s done. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C_NzZWFaxQ

And so the cycle of the left continues: threats of blackmail, and now threats of physical harm. Once again jackass you have proven the bankrupt ideology of the left; come after me if you choose I have no fear of you coward.

Mary

WOW! Your command of the English language just leaves me speechless. Are you oblahblah’s speech writer, per chance?

DE Navarro

Suckfaceman has the intelligence of a box of hair. You are better off talking to exfoliated skin flakes.

Anonymous

Vacant you’ve been reported. That is a threat, and that is going way too far, your the lowest of the low. How dare you threaten somebody on this board, I am all about intelligent debate but your acting like a third grade child. Nobody can take you seriously or respects you. I only insult back because it seems that is the only language that can get through that thick, condescending skull of yours. As I read comments if their at all insulting or threatening their getting reported. EVERYBODY report this guy, if it (I won’t call Vacant a “he” because this thing isn’t a man) continues to use threatening language or is insulting. Lets get him kicked off this board, intelligent debate I don’t mind. You aren’t intelligent, go hide in your mother’s basement with your 3rd rate youtube “show” please.

Anonymous

What’s a “schemer”? Is that a Hebrew word?

Mary

You had to know his only interest is how much $$$$$$$ he can make. He has no conscience or integrity as to how.

Anonymous

Sweetheart please post your evidence that proves al gore is a leftist fraud? Remember you have to be specific. BATTA-BING!!

Lol, Bltch, you couldn’t take the pounding your momma gave you as an 11 year old last month. You got no chance against me you pussya$$ little boy. Go do the world a favor and sterilize yourself so any woman with a 2 digit I.Q. that’s dumb enough to sleep with you can’t get pregnant and pollute the gene pool with your inferior DNA.

Anonymous

You are probably over 12 in years. Obviously your mental & maturity growth stopped at the age of 12. All that you can come up with is the same, old, tired liberal think tank stories that have been floating around for the past dozen years. Without showing any empirical proof of your claims, besides your U Tube site, you expect the rest of humanity to accept your baseless theories. You answered one of my posts & told me that the sun couldn’t be changing temperatures. Have you bumped your head? If you think that the sun stays the same temperature all of the time then you ARE living in Al Gore’s fantasy land. It is established fact that the sun goes through heating & cooling cycles. If it isn’t possible for this to explain the current heating trend then please explain the Medieval Warm Period ( WMP ), also known as the Medieval Climate Optimum or Medieval Climate Anomaly This occurred from AD 950-1250. This was well before man’s extensive use of fossil fuels. What could have caused this? Maybe too many cook fires? During the 1700’s, the Earth went through a dramatic cool down. Maybe the peoples were using too much AC? Come on vacmancan, stop dipping into the liberal koolaid so much. Oh, by the way, I already have a Sweetheart so try using a bit less condescending tones in your future replies to all here. You might be a bit surprised. People might not be in such a rush to explain just how idiotic you sound.

I have reported him, in another post he is now to using threats of blackmail and physical violence. Another fine example of the lunatic left.

Anonymous

Sweetheart I never threatened you. Just because I said we have kinky videos of your sex capades is no reason to think I threatened you. BATTA-BING!!

Anonymous

Vacuum brain man who don’t you stop choking the internet ethers with your lockstep leftist pabulum. This is a political rather than scientific argument. Follow the money. Why has Al Snore become so wealthy? He is a huckster duping sheeples and there are plenty, like yourself to get in line and drink the swill he is dishing out. Carbon credits. Give me a break. People like you are dragging this county down into the muck and mire of the land of the unthinking, unsophisticated instead of where our founding fathers envisioned us to be…The land of the free and the home of the brave. So go join Al Bore and his diminishing minions and pitch a tent far, far away. Please,

Anonymous

That is another time you’ve been flagged. The level of your insults shows your real intelligence quotient, non existent, your a sad, angry, little thing who has to act like your a smart and big thing. I won’t call you a “man” your anything but a man.

Anonymous

To flag Vacant just drag your mouse down to the bottom of his non comment and a flag symbol should pop up. Click on it and flag his non comment as inappropriate.

DE Navarro

Box of hair.

Anonymous

Everybody report all of Vacant’s insulting comments. We should be open for different points of view and debate but Vacant sinking very low and using personal insults against people something I’ve used against it because its the only language it understands. I won’t call Vacant a man, it is far from it. Lets get him booted off this board for good.

Sweetheart, I heard that people who keep repeating “box of hair” are retarded. Is that true? Never mind, it’s true.

DE Navarro

Sweetheart, please post your evidence that any global scale climate change is the direct result of man’s activities — whether cooling or warming, which the Earth has done for billions of years from tropic ages with jungles in Canada to ice ages and ice sheets to Georgia — all before man.

Be specific and name your sources.

Oh you can’t? It doesn’t exist?

Thought so.

No one is denying that the Earth heats up and cools down in cycles over periods of time — the hoax and lie of global warming is that it is man caused.

If the Earth decides to go into a tropical age and we will again have jungles in Canada, do you really seriously think there will be anything man can do to stop it or prevent it?

I’m all for living in a cleaner, less toxic environment and we should learn to keep the planet cleaner — yes, that we need to do.

But to think that — no, to pretend that we humans have anything to do with global warming or cooling is preposterous.

Gristle McThornbody

Since 1978, a series of satellite instruments have measured the energy output of the sun directly. The satellite data show a very slight drop in solar irradiance (which is a measure of the amount of energy the sun gives off) over this time period. So the sun doesn’t appear to be responsible for the warming trend observed over the past 30 years.
Longer-term estimates of solar irradiance have been made using sunspot records and other so-called “proxy indicators,” such as the amount of carbon in tree rings. The most recent analyses of these proxies indicate that solar irradiance changes cannot plausibly account for more than 10 percent of the 20th century’s warming.

You have one-dimensional thinking. What if when the energy output of the sun decreases some other phenomena changes factors that cause the Earth to increase in temperature?

Do you really think the scientists have ALL the answers?

If you do, that is the most prominent error in your thinking. Go read a science book of ten, fifteen, twenty years ago and compare the scientific conclusions and theories during each decade to see how science is more guilty of modifying its conclusions and changing its outlook than any other filed known to man.

Scientific evidence is great, man’s ability to interpret it sucks.

Having been a military scientist in a past career, I dealt with sun data every day to carry out my job.

There are hundreds of factors that affect global heat retention and global heat exhaustion. The atmosphere, the level of ice, current core activity, physical particles from the sun that arrive 72 hours after solar storms and flares, magnetic fields, celestial phenomena, and on and on.

Please don’t further degrade yourself before all by pretending to know how all these factors work and that you are sure they are not the cause. It is obvious that you have sold out to the current fad and hoax of man-caused global warming and no common sense to the contrary will change your obstinate mind.

Secondly, you cannot quote a government agency as a third party independent opinion on global warming, any government agency will produce the reports that the government wants to hear. Show me some independent University studies — which I have studied.

Last year’s exposed emails from England show that there is a movement in the scientific community to squelch the accurate and empirical data that indeed, the warming has tapered off considerably and is trending down and that if such continues then we will begin another cooling period.

Sweetheart you claim to have been a military scientists, didn’t you? Why don’t I believe you? It’s sad you never learned the first step in a scientific process. The peer reviewed process. In addition you claim the emails were compromised, but can you prove that? Of course not. Why? Because it’s all bullshit for the “simple-folk” like you. BATTA-BING!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C_NzZWFaxQ

DE Navarro

I don’t care if you believe me. The sun is a yellow sun whether you admit it or not — I am what I am and your opinion is worth less than worm crap.

Aside from that, you have proven your self-proclaimed title of suckfaceman vacuum brain dudemongering box of hair.

Also, I have been tested with an IQ of above 140 and I’m sure you will not believe that (can you say box of hair) but again I don’t care because I am the one with the score and in the future when you are proven wrong you will remember your asininity this very night and rue the day you were born.

Fare the well and may the Earth burn your a $ $ very well done.

Guest

NASA admitted that it’s measurements have been wrong due to it’s poor calibration of it’s satellites instruments. They also admit that the data used by the Global Warming scientists doesn’t show the real affects as in their models.

“An analysis of NASA satellite data shows that water vapor, the most important greenhouse gas, has declined in the upper atmosphere causing a cooling effect that is 16 times greater than the warming effect from man-made greenhouse gas emissions during the period 1990 to 2001.”

Sweetheart why don’t you read the reports from NASA on how their data was faulty. I post a number of links showing how ignorant you are.

BATTA-BING BADDA-BOOM.

Anonymous

And vacmancan believes Al Gore – please the biggest user of resources in America. From flying his guzzling jet to running every light in his 9,000 square foot home. Seems as though he might be part of that as well.

Guest2757A

So true. He’s the hypocrite of the century next to Obama that is.

DE Navarro

And this too — it’s all documented – this is a totally educational video — not some political activist vomit:

Man creates 4% of the c02…96% is naturally produced….and if you don’t believe the sun affects temperatures you are simply an idiot…its the source that irradiates the earth…when it puts out less we cool,,,when it puts out more we warm…too simple for a liberal I know…

The CO2 graph follows the rise in temperature by hundreds of years. On a quick graph with minute scales, it looks like it exactly tracks with the rise in temp — as Al Gore tried to feign in his video. He said something like, “Ever notice how this fits together.” And the two graphs do track with each other.

But look very closely and watch the passage of time shown in the chart and you will see that the CO2 line FOLLOWS the rising temperature line. It is actually hundreds of years off. After the global temperature rises, the oceans follow and rise in temperature, then they begin to emit a higher volume of CO2 (they are the number 1 source of atmospheric CO2 — check the science) as the CO2 is emitted, it increases in the atmosphere so that it mirrors the rise in temperature but by a lag of hundreds of years.

What does this mean?

It means that the number one CAUSE of CO2 in the atmosphere is rising global temperatures NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

Amazing huh?

Never in history has a rise in CO2 directly correlated to a rise in temperature — it is that a rise in temperature directly correlates to a rise of CO2.

If you want to understand the science, take the time to watch this in full, it is a tremendous piece of work:

Senate Govt. reports put that figure as being much lower.1-3% at most.

DE Navarro

Okay bud, put on your thinking cap here.

What happens when you microwave food? You zap it for a minute and then take it out.

The microwave is OFF. Yet the food still cooks and increases in heat for almost another minute – why?

Radiation.

Scientifically you could say that since measurements from the microwave oven indicate that it is providing zero energy while the food continues to get hotter that the microwave is NOT responsible for the rising temperature of the food.

And that would be an absolutely FALSE statement — why?

Because the recent past activity of the microwave provided all the energy necessary for the food to continue to cook into the future.

I told you I was a military scientist, one of the best, and I can find a hole in any false conclusion easily. In fact RF radiation and the sun were my specialties.

The sun’s energy includes radiation as well as heat and it is still little understood by scientists to this day.

Things that happen on a global scale reflect influences over hundreds of years of time. It is not unlikely that solar, cosmic, and planetary events of the past 100 years are still affecting and impacting global climate today. It is the “ripple effect” in action.

Sweetheart PNAS is a lie? So you think the climate scientists writing peer reviewed studies would lie? Well if they lied it’s gonna be easy to prove. So let’s hear it.

Anonymous

Media Proved Al Gores Movie Was All Made Up With No True Facts! Get A Life And Stop Spewing The Left’s Talking Points!
The Left Are Idiot Puppets-obamazombies!

DE Navarro

Box of hair.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Scott-Todd/1424651317 Scott Todd

I’d love to grow peaches where I live. Not possible now. Minnesotans for Global Warming!!!

DE Navarro

Minnesota Peaches — sounds awesome!

Jim Davidson

We had a peach tree in Ohio in the ’70s and they were talking about “the coming ice age” at the time.

Derek Zenith

Michiganders for Global Warming

Anonymous

Sweetheart I have the right to tell every asshole who is a climate denier to sit down and shut up. When you’re wrong you need to be corrected. Now sit down and shut-up. BATTA-BING!!!!!! While your being timed out, watch my show. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C_NzZWFaxQ

DE Navarro

I am astounded and flabbergasted at the willful ignorance practiced by you global warming sheeple and mesmerized disciples of Al Gorithmic math — I shouldn’t be, you liberals have proven time and again that I’d be better off explaining this to a box of hair, and yet somehow I am still astounded that human beings can be so blindly stupid as you are. And so unbelievably petty. You have the credibility of a mirage. You refuse to watch my show, which I posted a number of times. It is the soundest evidence posted on this board. I tried to get you to at least consider reality, but you have chosen to remain hoodwinked and ensorceled to the magical illusions of your chief charlatan. If reality was a pimple on your face you’d say there was no blemish and you’d scour the internet to find other illusionists to back your facetious position.

I’m tired of talking to a box of hair — so I bid you farewell and may the skin on your buttocks be burned by the Earth that we carbon monsters heat up to singe your a $ $ es.

Anonymous

Sweetheart I am astounded and flabbergasted by the fact that you can’t bring yourself to post anything factual. Is your whole lie a miserably lie. You need a good BITCH-SLAPP!! allow me. BATTA-BING!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C_NzZWFaxQ

DE Navarro

Suckfaceman, you are a bona fide box of hair. The exfoliated flakes of skin from my forearm have more intelligence than you. Thanks for being such a Fisher Price plaything here on this board. Now go back in the box.

Thanks for saving me the trouble of saying the exact same thing.
You might add that the temperature of the Moon and the planets
has also risen. Did we cause that as well? In the final analysis
even by their gross predictions there is no power known to man
that will get everyone on Earth to agree to go back to living in
caves or in the trees. To spend ourselves into oblivion and to
ruin our economies in the fleeting attempt to fix what cannot be
fixed is a fools errand.

Anonymous

I don’t feel like scanning thru all these comments to get to the one where you commented to a post that I posted. You can have whatever opinion that you may want about ‘peer review.’ But It is obvious that you did not check through the site. The reason that I thought you would like it was not to dissuade you, but to in fact give you support for your position. From Govt. sources no less.

DE Navarro

It’s cool, hope you got my response.

Guest

Please post the optimum Earth temperature and quote your sources. Be specific. See how it works Sweetheart?

Seriously, Vacmancan, don’t you understand that the Earth has NEVER maintained a statistically perfect global temperature, century-to-century. Throughout geologic history, it has had its share of NATURALLY-OCCURRING peaks and valleys.

Why is it so hard for you Leftists to understand. For you morons, Environmentalism is a religion, requiring paltry evidence, non-rational thought, and a shitload of baseless faith.

And a shitload of other people’s money for governments that want to tax carbon emissions for another revenue stream. Just like our federal govt punishes achievers there are plenty of world leaders that would like to see a “more level playing field” by punishing productive countries. Obama would love to see our country “put in her place” and wacko environmentalists with their religious alliance and junk science are useful idiots for the govts of industrialized nations. WAKE UP AMERICA!

DE Navarro

You’ll have more success convincing a box of hair than getting suckfaceman to understand a thing.

Anonymous

Holy crap. Nothing amuses me more than liberals demanding names and sources, yet they can spout garbage and never have to provide the same information.

That is not how evidence & scientific theory works. How do you prove the non-existence of something? The people claiming man-made global warming/climate change exists (& want to base policy on it) must present evidence that it DOES exist. Not the other way around.

Well vacmancan were is your evidence next to of course 90%of climate scientist agreeing its real but what would a large majority of scientist who are trained to know this topic as apposed to a recovering drug addict and alcoholic

Anonymous

The way you constantly begin your posts with “Sweetheart” is not only irritating (which I suppose is part of your shtick as a troll), it also illustrates your condescending, misogynistic attitude. (Those are big words, so I’ll wait for you to go look them up . . . OK . . . you’re back.) Hmmmm . . . I thought only conservatives were women haters. Moron.

Sweetheart none of those articles are written by climate scientists. Why would you post something that proves your a bone head and embarrasses you, and your family? When you post something that is peer-reviewed i’ll read it. Until then stop making a fool out of yourself? OKAY? You “simple-folk” are so much fun. Thank you & BATTA-BING!!. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C_NzZWFaxQ

DE Navarro

Box of hair.

Cuffs

You first.

Cuffs

The real question is who funds these studies? Got it?

Anonymous

Lol, you’re a sorry little child trying to win an argument you lost before the debate ever started. You come here citing falsified data, corrupted scientific processes, and “bought and paid for” scientists, all with the delusions that you’re right and going to change someones mind. The laughable part is you just wont give up. Your willful ignorance is just a condition of an immature ego, incapable of seeing the truth for fear of a paradigm shift that you’d never recover from. That shift being, turning into an adult.

Anonymous

Guys, just so it is plain for everyone to see. When you want to shut up a climate denier, ask them to post proof of their claim, and to be specific and you’ll never hear from them again. BATT-BING!! I rest my case. Now you can watch my show. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C_NzZWFaxQ

Guest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDz9A679cXY
BATTA-BING!! IDIOT

DE Navarro

Box of hair.

Anonymous

Not only is it a man-made hoax but the people on that podium are knowingly trying to mislead and push their agenda on the folks that listen to this crap especially Harry Read. gun grabing Feinstein (only she carries for selfdefense) and nag nag nag Former VP lying s.o.b telling his phony BS. I was at Lake Tahoe when I was a little kid with my Grandparents – we came set up camp and when we left it was like we never where there. clean!!! So don’t tell me your crap – VP shut upa your face. Your energy use footprint stinks to high heaven!!!! Global warming – my foot!

Anonymous

Anthropogenic climate change is mostly— but not totally— a myth designed to scare the ignorant masses into greater government control and a massive carbon tax.

The earth’s climate is constantly changing.

In the resent past, the earth has undergone dramatic climate change that had nothing to do with mankind; for example, the Anasazi had the most advanced culture in the southwest until a drought lasting as least 50yrs wiped out their culture. Tree rings strongly corroborate this massive drought.

Some sources claim the drought lasted 300 yrs.

From Wikipedia:

” After approximately 1150, North America experienced significant climatic change in the form of a 300-year drought called the Great Drought. This also led to the collapse of the Tiwanaku civilization around Lake Titicaca in present-day Bolivia.[22] The contemporary Mississippian culture also collapsed during this period. Confirming evidence is found in excavations of the western regions of the Mississippi Valley between 1150 and 1350, which show long-lasting patterns of warmer, wetter winters and cooler, drier summers.”

Did it escape your notice that this particular source used the term “very likely” instead of *positively* regarding man-made global warming? —-“The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is *very likely* human-induced”. That’s what the article said because they are not sure.

Man-made global warming is just another theory. In my opinion, the carbon theory of global warming is weaker than the evolution theory which is also taught like it is a fact and not a theory.

Look, there is a huge discrepancy between both the believers and non-believers on just how much carbon effects earth’s climate.

Personally, I agree with those who think that man’s carbon footprint has a negligible effect on earth’s climate, which means that I do not think that mankind is the primary cause of a changing climate .

Personally, I favor Lord Monckton’s theory on climate change; he concludes that man has an innocuous effect on earth’s climate. He exposes the climate change lies, myths and pretexts of the establishment.

Sweetheart, according to the climate scientists, the science is settled. Don’t embarrass yourself by posting anything from lord mockington. That bug-eyed buffoon is not even a member of the house of commons. Even his name proves he’s a fake. BATTA-BING!!

On the contrary, the IPCC has been proven over and over by Monckton and others to be dishonestly unscientific to the point of that organization being a criminal operation— kind of like the UN they are— very untrustworthy..

Anybody who’s followed the IPCC knows just how scandalous there “science” has been on this issue. Just watch the irrefutable evidence presented by Monckton” and I think any open-minded person can then decide for himself about whose science is correct……

Gristle McThornbody

Monckton does not present evidence, nor has he published any findings that have been peer-reviewed in any way.

Your statements about the IPCC are hilariously unfounded. Regardless, the sheer number of experts from private, public, and international organizations leaves you forced to side with a rather comical C-list British celebrity to adhere to whatever it is that you want to believe.

Everyone is wrong? Lord Monckton somehow has access to empirical data that 97% of the world’s scientists somehow missed? He is privy to the most important, groundbreaking, “irrefutable” scientific evidence of the 21st century and nobody cares?

You truly need to reexamine your reasoning.

Guest

What the IPCC and anyone else had available was not scientific “evidence” it was “data”, some of which was sketchy and cherry picked, then it was forced through a contrived model that was tweaked to deliver the desired result. Inconvenient factors were excluded from the model. Results? Dishonest results, convenient for use in pushing the MMGW “theory”.

Anonymous

Life on earth is carbon based. There is no carbon in the atmosphere to speak of. Carbon is a solid and cannot float in the air.
You people think carbon and carbon dioxide are the same thing. They are not.

Anonymous

Below is just a few of those scientists who oppose the climate change fabricators and their many climate lies. Some of those listed below formally supported Obama and Al Gore. Some supported the now discredited IPCC. There are many more scientists who are fearful of coming forward and expressing their true beliefs.

I would encourage everybody to do their own research and be sure to include Lord Monckton’s work. The climate fabricators are terrified of Monckton critical thinking on this subject.

Claude Allegre, former director of the Institute for the Study of the Earth, University of Paris; J. Scott Armstrong, cofounder of the Journal of Forecasting and the International Journal of Forecasting; Jan Breslow, head of the Laboratory of Biochemical Genetics and Metabolism, Rockefeller University; Roger Cohen, fellow, American Physical Society; Edward David, member, National Academy of Engineering and National Academy of Sciences; William Happer, professor of physics, Princeton; Michael Kelly, professor of technology, University of Cambridge, U.K.; William Kininmonth, former head of climate research at the Australian Bureau of Meteorology; Richard Lindzen, professor of atmospheric sciences, MIT; James McGrath, professor of chemistry, Virginia Technical University; Rodney Nichols, former president and CEO of the New York Academy of Sciences; Burt Rutan, aerospace engineer, designer of Voyager and SpaceShipOne; Harrison H. Schmitt, Apollo 17 astronaut and former U.S. senator; Nir Shaviv, professor of astrophysics, Hebrew University, Jerusalem; Henk Tennekes, former director, Royal Dutch Meteorological Service; Antonio Zichichi, president of the World Federation of Scientists, Geneva.

Below is just a few of those scientists who oppose the climate change fabricators and their many climate lies. Some of those listed below formally supported Obama and Al Gore. Some supported the now discredited IPCC. There are many more scientists who are fearful of coming forward and expressing their true beliefs.
I would encourage everybody to do their own research and be sure to include Lord Monckton’s work. The climate fabricators are terrified of Monckton critical thinking on this subject.
Claude Allegre, former director of the Institute for the Study of the Earth, University of Paris; J. Scott Armstrong, cofounder of the Journal of Forecasting and the International Journal of Forecasting; Jan Breslow, head of the Laboratory of Biochemical Genetics and Metabolism, Rockefeller University; Roger Cohen, fellow, American Physical Society; Edward David, member, National Academy of Engineering and National Academy of Sciences; William Happer, professor of physics, Princeton; Michael Kelly, professor of technology, University of Cambridge, U.K.; William Kininmonth, former head of climate research at the Australian Bureau of Meteorology; Richard Lindzen, professor of atmospheric sciences, MIT; James McGrath, professor of chemistry, Virginia Technical University; Rodney Nichols, former president and CEO of the New York Academy of Sciences; Burt Rutan, aerospace engineer, designer of Voyager and SpaceShipOne; Harrison H. Schmitt, Apollo 17 astronaut and former U.S. senator; Nir Shaviv, professor of astrophysics, Hebrew University, Jerusalem; Henk Tennekes, former director, Royal Dutch Meteorological Service; Antonio Zichichi, president of the World Federation of Scientists, Geneva. http://online.wsj.com/article/…

Anonymous

Sweetheart why do insist on making a FOOL out of yourself on a national blog? How many of the scientists you named were climate scientists? The rest don’t count. Throw their names away, and forget you know them. Are you starting to get the idea? Or do you need more help?

Anonymous

Sweetheart if your not a climate-scientist, we don’t care about you opinion. See how this works?

Anonymous

What a creepy little insect you are. Do you mind if I rename you the BATTA-BING bug, or, if you don’t like that moniker, how about Lord Troll Shit?

DE Navarro

You’re being too nice.

Nonetheless, you’ll have more success getting through to a box of hair.

Did you read your link? It doesn’t support your argument. “By hoax, I mean maybe 6 of those names are real people.” Wiki doesn’t support your statement.

Watch it

The verification of the scientists was listed at 95%. But that doesnm’t matter because the wiki piece was written by 2 lefty collaborators who are big AGW fans.

Anonymous

Sweetheart, how many of these folk’s are climate scientists? Be specific. I can’t believe you insulted your family by posting this bullshit without finding out if they were climate scientists? What’s wrong with you? You “simple-folk” are so cute but why do you insist on embarrassing yourself in public?
You are a “KOCH-SUCKER” who supports the Koch brothers, the 1%, and the fossil fuel industry. What’s worse is you make a fool out of yourself sucking on that big “KOCH.” BATTA-BING!!

Guest2757A

How many of these people are not scientists little boy? Be specific. You seem to be a simple minded little boy playing with your pinwheels. I never mentioned the Koch brothers but liberals like you use them as a last resort when you have nothing. You have reached that point little fella.
BATTA-BING BATTA-BOOM.

Sweetheart we don’t care what you accept. We care what the climate-scientists, writing peer-reviewed studies, tell us. Get the idea? If you become a climate scientists we’ll listen to you. Until then, sit down and shut-up. Okay?

Guest

You don’t have the right to tell anyone to “sit down and shut-up”, Sweetheart.

Take your pinwheels and go back to your momma’s basement.

DE Navarro

No little Bo Peepie doo, it is you who hold on to the fabricated opinions that we do not accept. Apparently your brain is a vacuum – hence, vacman the empty void. Guest2757 is right on not to accept it and WE ALL AGREE HERE except you and another troll.

So I agree with the Guest – go sit in a corner and play with your pretty pinwheels, that will keep you intellectually challenged for the next decade.

Or, if you really want the perspective of professional climate scientists, then watch this, you might learn something:

Gore is just getting desperate because the cooler temperatures get, the less likely he will become a billionaire. He was all set to become a major player in the carbon trading markets but they weren’t set up, so he’s having to contend with merely being worth $100 million.

babsan

Al Gore is an empty wind bag making money on idiots

Michael S

Arguing with a global warming freak is like trying to argue about religion or politics. True believers believe and facts having nothing to do with it. Gore has made multi millions scaring people about global warming. So don’t waste your breath stating facts. You can always find weather scientists whose funding depends on global warming just as there are scientists that depend for funding from drug companies, who truly believe in their product. Even though half the diseases that now afflict us are caused by treating us for something else.

DE Navarro

Al-gore-rithmic math is a total fabrication and lie.

This is evil in action.

RichJ

Anyone who supports agenda 21 has to lie to try to make it work.

m134 gunner

Al Gore…you are a first class moron.

DE Navarro

I looked up moron in the dictionary and Al Gore’s picture was there.

Wow.

DE Navarro

Global scale climate change is NOT the direct result of man’s activities — whether cooling or
warming. The Earth has warmed and cooled for billions of years from tropic ages with jungles in Canada to ice ages with ice sheets to Georgia — all before man.

No one is denying that the Earth heats up and cools down in cycles over periods of time — the hoax and lie of global warming is that it is man caused.

If the Earth decides to go into a tropical age and we will again have jungles in Canada, do you really seriously think there will be anything man can do to stop it or prevent it?

I’m all for living in a cleaner, less toxic environment and we should learn to keep the planet cleaner — yes, that we need to do.

But to think that — no, to pretend that we humans have anything to do with global warming or cooling is preposterous.

The Earth will do what the Earth will do, in its cycles and times of heating and cooling, and we, my friend, will not stop it.

If we are going to have a Tropic Age, then we’ll all have to adjust and survive.

That’s awesome. I never denied that the planet warms and cools on its own without humans, and I happen to know enough science (military scientist for 10 years) to know that this warming recently is being pinned on man by falsification, twisting, skewing and tweaking of data. Let’s wait 30 years and see what the planet is doing. I’m confident it will warm and cool in spite of man.

You do know that the Earth went through Tropical Ages where tropical climates extended up into what we call Canada, and had Ice Ages where glaciers extended down into what we Georgia — all before man arrived on the scene, right?

Just wondering.

And you do know that the carbon footprint in our atmosphere during Tropic Ages was much higher than at other times — before humans arrived — right? You are aware of this, you do know science and have studied it, right?

Just wondering.

Also, you like YouTube so much, check out this well documented highly scientific video full of professional scientists and experts:

“If we are going to have a Tropic Age, then we’ll all have to adjust and survive.”

That is reality. The intelligent ones will learn to adjust, the MMGW alarmists who are used to the nanny state taking care of their problems will continue to tilt at the wind mills. Eventually they will go the way of Neanderthal – no loss.

Anonymous

Gore–go crawl back under the rock you somehow found your way out from under!

Anonymous

Notice that the human activity caused Global Warming crowd do not argue their point with data. They sound like the Spanish Inquisition. You are a heretic to be punished or stupid if you don’t buy their dogma. They claim it is “settled science”. I am an engineer in my 50s (so analyzing data logically is an everyday activity and must be done right or products will not function properly and I would be fired). In all my career, I have never heard the phrase “settled science” until not long ago. Even then, it have been only used by the Left to shut down all debate on a subject. Over the course of my lifetime, models of the structure of the atom has changed. On topics regarding health, the common belief seems to change every year. When my first child was born, researchers said to have the baby sleep on its side to minimize the probability of SIDS. By the time my 2nd child was born they said the baby should sleep on its back to minimize the probability of SIDS. In the 1990s, it was said that Moore’s Law would reach its limit, then in 2000 Intel made a discovery to extend it over a decade. So I say this “settled science” is a load of bullsh*t designed to shut down meaningful debate. I have only heard the Human Caused Global Warming crowd use the phrase “settled science”. I haven’t heard it used by the scientific and engineering community, of which I am a part, outside of the Human Caused Global Warming crowd. I haven’t heard any arguments by the Human Caused Global Warming crowd that even suggest the sun might be a factor in global warming/climate change. The sun is obviously a factor in the Earth’s climates. To exclude it must call into question the validity of the theory.

Gristle McThornbody

The data is everywhere.

climate.nasa.gov

DE Navarro

False data, a government agency will only report what the powers that be want to hear.

Did you just, like, conveniently totally miss a key phrase in the article you cited?

“These facts don’t prove causality and they shouldn’t end skepticism, but they raise the bar.”

Should I spell that out for you? These facts (the facts the article cites as evidence for man caused global warming, DO NOT prove causality.Do you know what “causality” means? Do you understand English? It means “what causes the result.”

So the evidence of man caused factors DO NOT prove they are what cause the result.

Does that help?

Look, dude, the verdict is still out on it all. I read the in-depth scientific articles that proved the global cooling of the 70s and immediately scientists and everyone else were trying to pin it on man, figure out what we were doing wrong to our planet that was causing it to cool.

Now we have the same with global warming.

The planet changes on its own, whether we are here or not.

So I don’t buy into all the passionate “proof” and “evidence” because scientists and astronauts have been FAR MORE WRONG in the past century than right — the reason scientific theories and conclusions have to change so much, get modified and even totally contradict themselves and the scientific fad of the last decade is because humans really blow at interpreting the scientific evidence — there are a multitude of nuances and factors that affect everything and for anyone to think they can peg anything on this intricate and diverse planet is sheer ego.

When man can stop a tornado or hurricane with all his brilliant knowledge, then maybe I’ll listen. Until then, I enjoy the discoveries and wonders of the universe and the diverse scientific record and draw my own conclusions which have proven, so far, to exceed those of experts.

Again I say the verdict is still out — I’ll wait another 30 years and let’s see what is happening. If next decade the temperature is up by a full degree, maybe I’ll investigate further. Until then, all the evidence I gather from scientific sites and carefully noting how they skew their data to give their preconceived conclusions has convinced me this is all a hoax. If it wasn’t, why do they constantly have to skew and twist data and develop charts and averages that reinforce the perspective they want to give?

The sun and methane hydrates ( molecule for molecule methane is 20 X the effect of CO2 as a greenhouse gas) were excluded. Also, temperature readings at ground stations that were in areas that over the years have become unshaded and surrounded by black pavement were included as if their environment had not changed.

Another faulty assumption from the beginning is that CO2 causes warming, when it has been shown that warming precedes the rise in CO2 levels.

How much pollution does a volcano produce? I’ve heard that a volcanoes spew out as much pollution as all the cars that have ever been put on Earth combined but how much pollution does a volcano produce when it erupts?
1. How many active volcanoes known?Erupting now: perhaps 20Each year: 50-70Each decade: about 160Historical eruptions: about 550Known Holocene eruptions (last 10,000 years): about 1300Known (and possible) Holocene eruptions: about 1500Note that these figures do not include the large number of eruptions (and undescribed volcanoes) on the deep sea floor. Estimates of global magma budgets suggest that roughly 3/4 of the lava reaching Earth’s surface does so unnoticed at submarine midocean ridges (see below).Which also cause a wrming effect on Ocean Temperatures.2.What you’ve heard is true.
Beside particulate (ash and other particles), volcanoes can release enormous quantities of gases, including the following pollutants:
H2O water vapor
CO2 carbon dioxide
SO2 sulfur dioxide
H2S hydrogen sulfide
CO carbon monoxide
HCl hydrogen chloride
HF hydrogen flouride

Even non-explosive basaltic volcanoes (Hawaii, Iceland) can release damaging quantities of pollutants in the form of “vogâ”, or volcanic smog. The Hawaii volcano observatory has recently issued warnings for sulfur dioxide emissions and restricted access to areas around Kilauea. The 1783 Icelandic basalt eruption resulted in emission of over 100 tons of SO2 in less than 8 months- killing humans, livestock and damaging crops in both Iceland and Europe. Gas emissions during the eruption of the Siberian traps may have caused the great Permian extinction 250 million years ago. Volcanic SO2 emissions can range up to 10 million tonnes per day.3. Krakatoa immence volanoThe best known eruption culminated in a series of massive explosions on August 26-27, 1883.The combined effects of pyroclastic flows, volcanic ashes and tsunamis had disastrous results in the region.The official death toll recorded by the Dutch authorities was 36,417 and many settlements were destroyed, including Teluk Betung and Ketimbang in Sumatra, and Sirik and Semarang in Java.The eruption also produced erratic weather and spectacular sunsets throughout the world for many months afterwards, as a result of sunlight reflected from suspended dust particles ejected by the volcano high into Earth’s atmosphere.This worldwide volcanic dust veil acted as a solar radiation filter, reducing the amount of sunlight reaching the surface of the earth.In the year following the eruption, global temperatures were lowered by as much as 1.2 degrees Celsius on average.Weather patterns continued to be chaotic for years, and temperatures did not return to normal until 1888..4. The largest volcanic eruption since the rise of modern humans, Homo sapiens, is the great eruption of Toba, in Sumatra, about 71,000 years ago. It produced some 2800 cubic kilometers of ash and may have reduced the world’s human population to only 10,000. The eruption of Toba is hypothesized by some scientists to have decimated the early human inhabitants of S Asia. The eruption lasted perhaps two weeks, but the ensuing “volcanic winter” resulted in a decrease in average global temperatures by 3 to 3.5 degrees Celsius for several years.MAN MADE GLOBAL WARMING IS A HALF TRUTH AT BEST. AS IT MAY BE A MINUSCULE CONTRIBUTOR BUT NOT THE CAUSE.

Anonymous

Who’s algore?

Anonymous

You are so correct. The day when Al gives facts & figures regarding 100 year storms and floods for – say 10,000 years, so we can get an accurate average – then I’ll listen to him. And the other Chicken Littles! Fact is, he is making money off morons like himself – who work themselves into a religious frenzy over climate. He’s no better than a tent preacher scamming the public. He wants the world to be afraid of the climate – to divert their attention from the scheming, thieving leaders like himself and the rest of the scummy “progressives”.

Anonymous

Al Gore is such a dope.

http://www.facebook.com/cheryl.mijangos Cheryl Adkinson Mijangos

Mr. Gorey should look at the science a little better. Last time I checked the ICE age lasted about 100 MILLION years. What has happened since? Global warming! Makes sense to me. what’s all the hubbub BUB?

BeachBum Philosopher

Just a question – if deforestation and green house gases create global warming then how did the earth ever cool down when it was nothing but volcanoes with very little plants….? No one can prove with any scientific certainty that humans are the cause of warming or cooling. To believe you have any control over nature is simply being a naricist. When nature wants to correct itself it simply does and nothing can change that. The earth will go through its cycles just has it always has. These cycles are influenced by many things (ex. the earths orbit and distance from the sun, the sun’s activity, ….). In the end, the ones trying to sell you carbon credits today are no different than the carpet baggers of days gone by. Only a fool would accept a hypothesis and/or theory as fact until those are proven to be true.

Al you dont spent too many winters in Montana, Wyoming or Utah or North Dakota do you? Because if you did you would see just how cold it really is and how looong winter lasts. You don’t need data to see that you just have to Live in a state where that are known for snow, and as a Utahan, I do. You are a blowhard Al, always were- this is the guy who thought Love Story was based on his and Tippers romance- well we know where That went don’t we?

James ‘Ironhorse’ Morrow

Once those that actually study science realize how much damage we have done it will be to late and sadly it will only be a debate until then. Pick up some books and read them just basic science books and read and understand our universe and how it is growing and how we are not only ignoring global warming but we should be putting massive amounts of our tax payers dollars into science and mathematics and we could live amazing lives until then though it will all only be debates. So pull your heads out listen to some birds and take in that air. It may be the last time.

Anonymous

Go look up “ice core” on Wikipedia and look at the right and see the chart detailing how temperatures work in cycles of 100K years. Your post contains no real facts, so I gave you some to ponder. Is it possible you’ve been manipulated so that the Democratic party can gain power, money and votes? Yes. Are you open minded enough to really consider that? That’s the question.

Anonymous

Dana, go look up “Global Warming” on Wikipedia. I’m very interested, in particular, to your response to the statement that

“…scientists are more than 90% certain that it is primarily caused by increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases produced by human activities such as the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation.[3][4][5][6] These findings are recognized by the national science academies of all major industrialized nations.[7][A]”

Are you open-minded enough to reconsider? Do you believe in science?

Guest2757A

Wikipedia is written by these global warming activists. Are you open minded for some sources other than Wikipedia?

This was said in 1970, “If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder by the year 2000…This is about twice what it would take to put us in an ice age.” Now these same people are doing a 180, and saying “global warming” the sky is falling. SMH

Anonymous

No, Ken, it’s not the same people. Don’t you understand how foolish it can be to cite hazy evidence from more than four decades ago? Here, let me help you understand.

In the 70s, there was random talk of a global cooling trend, and it was seized upon to sell print magazines. It was not a scientific debate even remotely like the current one. It was never subjected to rigorous scientific study, there wasn’t even enough interest to begin talking of scientific consensus, and the scientific methods available at the time were not nearly so sophisticated as they are now. This random idea has now been unearthed by AGW skeptics, and folks who don’t like to believe in science are trumpeting it as you have.

You do yourself no favors by falling for such nonsense.

DE Navarro

Just as the hoax of global cooling was seized upon to sell print magazines, so too the hoax of global warming has been seized upon to garner billions in government grants. Yes, it is ALWAYS about the money.

And the difference from the 70s to the 90s is that scientists realized they could cash in on this cow and so they have systematically legitimized this hoax with tweaked and falsified conclusions to gathered data.

You really need to take the time to watch this in entirety and detail — all well well documented:

And what changed the earth’s climate before humans populated the earth? The earth is about 4.5 Billion. years old. If you would compare the evolution of this planet to a 24 hr clock, humans did not appear before 11:58 PM this means about 2 minutes before midnight. We know from fossils that there have been plenty of warming and cooling periods. Al Gore’s arguments do not hold water. Global warming is a natural occurrence which has been taking place for ions.

DE Navarro

Al Gore has a time machine and went back in time and convinced the dinosaurs to fart alot.

Anonymous

It’s sad that such a simple concept needs to be explained again and again…

Yes, earth has always gone through climate changes, and there are many factors that affect this phenomenon. But these factors are independent from man-made emissions, everyone knows about them, and the scientific data and studies take into account these other factors that affect the climate. Man’s contribution to climate change exists separately from the natural factors. Is that clear enough?

DE Navarro

P.S. Just a P.S. to my other posts. I think you have a good idea of where I am coming from and how scientifically knowledgeable I am, so I just wanted to assure you that my position on the level of man’s influence on our current global warming is very well scientifically documented and is scientifically based and has nothing to do with any religious, Biblical, or spiritual beliefs but is based totally on the science of the matter.

As you said, man’s contribution to climate change exists separately from the natural factors. And the question posed is this: Is this current global warming trend man caused or a result of natural factors.

I maintain that scientifically, based on the same factual evidence being reported on both sides of this issue, that it is abundantly clear that the percentage of man’s impact on global climate is miniscule in comparison to the natural factors.

The industrial revolution has added CO2 to the atmosphere — about 4% at most. Man-caused supporters claim that this 4% has upset the natural balance of CO2 generation and absorption and has led to a cumulative effect of CO2 massing in the atmosphere.

I investigated this on my own and found that the scientific fact is that the oceans release MORE CO2 as they get warmer and absorb more CO2 when they cool. This is part of the natural cycle.

Although Gore and others have tried to pass off the rise in global temperature as synchronized with the rise in CO2, if you look closely at the graphs and look at the year marks (1600, 1650, 1700, 1750, 1800, 1850,1900, 1950, 2000, 2050 etc.) you will notice that the rise in CO2 actually LAGS BEHIND the rise in temperature ever so slightly on the graph. This ever so slight lag represents decades and centuries on the scale. Some scientists, including NASA scientists and PNAS maintain that the CO2 to temperature relationship is actually the OTHER WAY AROUND.

It is NOT rising CO2 that causes a rise in temperature, it is actually a rise in global temperature that causes a rise in CO2 — as the oceans release more CO2.

This is baffling, because we know that CO2 traps the heat in the atmosphere and makes the greenhouse effect and will add to a rise in temperature. But what it adds to global temperature rise is simply in step with the already rising temperature of the planet.

So what’s the answer?

Well, other scientists, in explaining natural cycles, also relate how the humidity and evaporation increases with the higher amount of water and heat on the Earth and this causes increased cloud cover globally.

In the natural cycle of things, after the Earth heats up to a certain level (as in past Tropic Ages and mini-Tropic Ages that happened without man) the balmy conditions of the atmosphere increase our global cloud cover which reflects and deflects the energy of the sun AWAY from the Earth and helps the Earth to begin a cycle of cooling.

Global climate is a fascinating topic and there are a multitude of factors to consider, including inner core activity and temperature (affected by electromagnetic fields and gravity), energy from the sun, actual charged particles from the sun, the solar wind, oceanic activity, volcanic activity, and on.

Volcanoes actually cool the Earth too, as they spew ash into the atmosphere it reflects and deflects the suns energy away from the planet even better than cloud cover — so after the Earth heats up a bit and volcanic activity increases, they also help the Earth to cool.

In fact, with our increased numbers of volcanic eruptions in the last decade, some scientists who defend man-caused global warming have been asked why the warming trend is slowing down instead of increasing with the increase of man-made CO2 emissions, and their answer was that the increased volcanic activity has countered the increase in temperature. They maintain that if we would not have had the volcanic eruptions that spewed massive amounts of metric tons of ash into the atmosphere in the past decade, that global warming would have continued more steadily.

Well now, let’s stop and think about what they really exposed by saying this.

What they exposed was that once again natural forces render man’s influence miniscule, if indeed it was man’s influence in the first place that caused a rise in global temperature.

Sure they are. They said the volcanic activity basically counteracted the rise in temperature.

I just don’t understand why people are so quick to try to interject man into the equation all the time and try to make our impact globally seem so significant as to determine the course of the Earth?

Look, I’m all for cleaner air, and I think we need emissions standards and pollutions standards that limit what man puts into the environment, because anyone who lives in large factory cities can tell you the local environment is poor, that air quality is impacted, and that we are trashing our environment.

I lived through the Lake Erie and Cleveland river phenomenon where the whole river caught fire because of the level of pollutants in it, and the basically declared Lake Erie a dead lake.

All the refuse from steel mills and factories killed the local environment.

They predicted that even with the clean-up efforts and new standards on factories that it would be fifty to a hundred years before Lake Erie would respond enough to be considered a clean or living lake again.

Well, the Earth and nature is more powerful than that. After these new standards were implemented, it took only a decade for Erie to be considered a living lake, and in twenty years it is as alive, fresh and vital as every other lake in the Great Lakes.

So yes, limiting man’s pollution of the environment has many many positive effects and I’m all for keeping our HOME clean.

But this does not mean I have to be scientifically stupid either. This does not mean I have to be ignorant to the fact that leeches have leapt upon the global warming train to make billions of dollars, to manipulate industry to their advantage.

I understand the science myself, and I know they are falsifying the conclusions for grant money and to please politicians and keep an “alarmist” hoax going that is making people rich.

The human impact on global warming is negligible. But that being said, I still believe in responsible industry and that there should be standards to follow so we do not trash our environment.

Take care.

Anonymous

Thank you. I really appreciate the depth, detail and tenor of your post. I’ve read about the many complexities of climate modeling and how much uncertainty there is about the many potential ways that different atmospheric factors may interact, and I’m aware that increased cloud cover could play a role in mitigating the overall increase in temperature.

I’ll definitely take a look at the links you sent and give them my complete attention. In over a year of posting on Beck’s site, this is the first time I’ve been impressed with the quality of contradictory evidence.

Thanks again.

Watch it

Excellent post.

DE Navarro

The greatest characteristic of any hoax is the support it garners from false testimony appearing real.

The systematizing of error in the scientific community over the past few decades has destroyed scientific integrity and relegated scientific papers to nothing but popularity contests and grabs for money.

When Wiki reports that scientists are 90% certain, they are only quoting the “accepted” scientists who have bought into the hoax and are giving their tweaked testimonies to garner their grant money and pats on the back.

The level of racketeering now rampant in scientific circles would make your head spin. Scientific agencies are dominated by politically correct ideologies because that is how they get their money. The love of money has opened the gates of twisted science.

There are still many thousands of scientists who operate with integrity, who do science because they love it, are passionate about it, have not sold out to the money train, and who will tell you at the drop of a hat what a hoax man caused global warming is and give you the specific, verifiable facts and evidence as to why it is impossible that CO2 is causing global warming.

No one is denying that the Earth heats up and cools in cycles and that we are in a period of global warming. The hoax is that it is man caused. We are like an anthill in a back yard. Our impact on global temperature is negligible. When the celestial, solar, planetary and cosmic conditions exist for the warming of the globe, there will be absolutely nothing we can do about it, we need to just prepare for a Tropic Age and survive.

We humans cannot even stop a tornado. What makes you think we can change global temperature? It is so preposterous and ludicrous, if it were not for the demi-god status scientists were elevated to in the 40s – 70s who spout this hoax, man would not have bought it.

Stop being in such reverent awe of scientists — they are people who lie like the rest of humanity and who will sell out for a buck as quickly as your local Congressman.

Good God get a clue.

If you want some real facts, take the time to watch this, it will blow your mind:

When time permits, I’d like to address your post in more depth, but in the meantime, if you have a moment to answer the above, I’d appreciate it.

DE Navarro

What kind of evolution are you talking about?

Are you talking about Lelerc-Darwin Evolutionism?

Are you talking about Catastrophism evolution?

Are you talking about Pangenesis?

Quantuum evolution?

Are you talking about Uniformitarianism evolution?

Are you talking about Modern Evolutionary Synthesis?

Are you simply speaking of natural selection?

Are we talking about mutations and genetic population mechanics?

Are we talking Punctuated Equilibrium or Phyletic Gradualism?

And time fails me to ask if we are talking about Symbiogenesis, Lamarckianism, Zoogenesis, Germplasm, Emication, Isolationist Evolution, Neo-Darwinism, Panspermia, Sustained Macroevolution, Orthogenesis, or some scientific postulation of which I am totally unaware?

How can I truly answer that question without knowing what kind of evolution you are talking about?

I have studied the ideas and scientific evidence and explanations in a number of these scientific disciplines and none of them is without scientific merit for its findings and evidence.

They all start very well founded in scientific evidence and then begin to build upon scientific interpretation of the evidence to present a plausible model of possible events and actions that led to the present condition of man and Earth.

I totally agree with natural selection and I know and understand that there is evolution within species. I believe and understand what genetic mutations are and how they can affect subsequent generations and modify characteristics so that they “evolve” into new characteristics based on the gene pool.

I largely agree with the factual science and evidence in all these fields of scientific discipline, but I do not necessarily agree with all the theoretical postulations built upon the scientific evidence by speculative interpretation of the facts and observational piecing together of facts that appear related.

I am also very aware, as all genuine scientists, of the very real limitations present in some of the methods of evaluation of the record, which can vary greatly and which presents further challenges to accurate interpretation and piecing together of the facts.

THAT this planet has gone through multiple changes throughout time in its manifestation of life, flora, fauna, and geologic development through the ages is indisputable, the problem is the HOW, and we have many hundreds of theories and postulations based on scientific models and evidence of HOW this happened, and some of them seem very plausible and some less likely and even some have been shown by newer scientific evidence to be in obvious error.

Many unproven questions still exist. For instance, did this all happen by cosmic accident or did some Power set the laws of the universe in motion to make this all happen?

It would be preposterous to discount that some Power set this all in motion and conclude based on the scientific evidence that it happened by random accident.

Even astrophysicists are smarter than this. In the book Endless Universe, a compilation of astrophysical research by award winning science writers Heather Couper and Nigel Henbest, in describing the Big Bang theory [which is often misunderstood as a massive explosion, like a bomb, but is actually a theory which explains a very ordered sudden expansion of light, time energy and matter that set everything in motion according to all the perfect physical laws of the universe that we understand today] they wrote thus:

“In the beginning there was nothing. A nothing so profound it defies human comprehension. Our story begins when there was no space and no time.

The flow of time is intimately linked to space, and to matter and gravity. We cannot speak of what happened before the Big Bang, because time itself did not exist then.

Before space came into being, nothing could exist; there was nowhere for it to exist. Our universe probably came into existence not only from nothing, but from nowhere.

Why? Science cannot answer the question of why the universe began. Why didn’t the original “nothing” stay that way? Philosophers and theologians have their own answers, which can probably never be proven one way or the other. All we do know is that something did happen.

From nothing, a tiny speck of brilliant light appeared that was almost infinitely hot. Inside this fireball was all of space. With the initiation of space came the birth of time some 13 billion years ago. The energy in the fireball was so concentrated that matter began to appear, the distant ancestor of the matter that would become stars, planets and galaxies. As soon as the fireball appeared it started expanding. In the first trillion-trillion-trillionth of a second the universe grew a hundred million times bigger and the temperature dropped from near infinity to 10,000 trillion trillion degrees.

The Big Bang was not an “explosion” into anything, it happened everywhere because space itself was created at the instant of the Big Bang. Astronomers see the aftermath of this origin all around us today in the continued expansion of the universe. Although galaxies appear to be rushing away from each other, in reality space continues to stretch out carrying them apart.”

End quote.

This book and these astrophysicist that contributed to it admit that “science cannot determine why” and that science can only measure back to that trillion-trillion-trillionth of a second after that speck of intense light appeared and exploded or expanded into the universe we have today — initiating time, space, matter and energy — all linked to LIGHT.

But I know what that Light is, and I can explain it to you if you desire, and I can show you how the religious theories of “creationism and intelligent design” are wrong, and the “seven days of creation” are totally inaccurate, and the supposed 7000 years postulation is a total mistake and misunderstanding, but how the Biblical record in Genesis is absolutely accurate with everything I have discussed here. I can detail that accuracy scientifically from the Biblical text and how it is compatible with all the scientific evidence.

If not, do not count on me responding to you here, I am quite done with this article and this news blog. I’m not a Beck fan either, I just take it all in and evaluate everything.

Whatever your choice, may you have a good life exploring, discovering, and understanding this amazing and intricate planet and universe around us.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000280922937 Gary Church

“If at first you don’t succeed Al, try try again. OOPS! I am wrong, no sense in your trying again Al as you have failed for years and still show people how preposterous you are. Everybody sees right through you and your BS!

Anonymous

Man-made global warming is a farce so that Gore and his fellow corrupt-icrats can make money off of their planned climate exchange program and their “green” based crony capitalism. “Green” technology is not green in the way that it’s doing something great for the environment, but green in the way in which bananas are green long before they become ripe. The technology, which takes taxpayer subsidies to make even remotely viable, has created next to no jobs, has run many companies bankrupt and has wasted taxpayer dollars on scam companies like Solyndra. It’s as immature as most of the left’s voters.

If you look up “ice core” on Wikipedia and look at the chart on the right, a child could see the pattern of natural temperature increases and falls. This is real science by NOAA, not some delusional, greedy, political hack, like Gore. As the chart shows there are peak hot points every 100,000 years and we’re in the hottest part and will eventually go into a period of global cooling which will pose real problems. Look it up.

What’s obvious to everyone but Gore and his friends with drunken father issues, is that man didn’t cause this 100,000 years ago and we’re not doing it now. The change in temperatures is due to dust in the air (volcanoes and space debris), and/or Solar cycles. What’s more CO2 only makes up 400 parts per MILLION of our atmosphere. It is very porous and not even comparable to a greenhouse made of solid glass which traps heat. It doesn’t come close to keeping heat in the way they say it does. These are the facts. It’s Gore that acts like a drunken idiot whenever people use this science and logic, to which he has no answer. His only answer is to hurl childish insults and tell us that if you don’t vote Democrat you hate the planet. Just another left wing strategy for manipulating fools. For the last couple weeks it’s been very pleasant here in Philadelphia, especially for August, but god forbid, if there’s ever weather that people don’t like, Democrats will be there to try to turn weather into votes. These people are children throwing a temper tantrum and trying to manipulate the clueless, nothing more. They want to destroy Capitalism and brandish control. They not only can’t prove their case, but the facts aren’t in their favor. They just want more change for the sake of change and hope it doesn’t turn into a mess like everything else they’ve ever done.

Gristle McThornbody

I am sure if you watch this video that was originally hosted on NOAAs website, you will understand that you fundamentally misunderstand the nature of Dendrochronology and how the tree rings are actually proof that humans have a direct impact on climate change.

Not even the IPCC are relying on the tree ring theory. Sorry, the NOAA is just trying to keep it’s government funding.

Guest2757A

Tree ring forecasting has been found to be unreliable in predicting earths temperature. Also, this so called scientist left one out very important reason for the size of tree rings which has nothing to do with temperature? Did anyone catch it?

The amount of rainfall !!!

Watch it

Exactly – water is the driver of tree ring size, not a couple degrees change in temperature. LMAO!

DE Navarro

Gristle, you seem to be intelligent, but you are grasping at straws and falsities and using every skewed support you can find. Seriously consider this:

Sweetheart, we need to keep going over this until even you, can understand it. If you want to learn about climate-change, you ask climate-scientists. No one else. It’s sad you can’t understand this. If you have a tooth ache would you go to your car mechanic to get it fixed? Of course not. So why are you posting stuff that is not “peer-reviewed” by other climate-scientists? Come on babe, get with the program. You would think that after awhile, you would start to understand this? For your kid’s sake, stop making a fool out of yourself. Please

The former vice president told Klein climate change deniers are like “an alcoholic father who flies into a rage every time a subject is mentioned” Well there you have it, the big problem with Al and his rages. By the way, about the money..Mark 8:“Whoever desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. 35 For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake and the gospel’s will save it. 36 For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? 37 Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul? 38 For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him the Son of Man also will be ashamed when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels.”
KEEP THE MONEY, I AM GOING WITH JESUS TO LIVE FOREVER YOUNG WITH ALL THE JOYS OF GLORY…you can’t buy this with money.

DE Navarro

Al is the alcoholic.

Anonymous

Sweetheart, If al’s an alcoholic, you’re an asshole. RIGHT? See how this works?

Anonymous

Sweetheart how can you be a clear minded common sense American if you believe in the bible? Have you ever read the bible? There’s some pretty sick shit in there. I ain’t killing no one for working on sunday. Even though the bible tells me, I have too! And the talking snake part, blows me away!!!! And you believe this shit? Are you retarded?

DE Navarro

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Dave

Leave it to captain planet, i mean Al “Gross use of power” Gore To go out and lead by example the guy still uses a ridiculous amount of power himself typical of a liberal their change is all you you you never them them them.

Carol Chadbourne

I don’t believe a word of it. There is only ONE being who can control anything. If you know the Bible and you are familiar with ‘Revelation’, then you would not question what has been prophetic for over 2000 years. When was the first time that Hawaii was ever threatened with a ‘hurricane’…??? How more severe have the tornados and hurricanes on the East Coast become in the last few years? Any inclement weather, to Christians, is a way of Our Father in Heaven trying to wake up those who , today, refuse to believe that the devil is doing his work, or he’s preparing the way for the ugly one….9 months, Americans…9 months to help save America and her people. No, I’m not a bible thumper and I’m not preaching…merely telling you what all GOOD Christians know to be true….the TRUTH….something this administration has an allergy to using. Wake up…..and help us defeat the new world order, led by the u.n. and radical muslim bro-hoods, hamas, hezbollah, jihadists et al…for Heaven’s Sake they have their own ‘bible’ in which they believe every word about killing all Christians , Jews and Catholics…kill the infidels, rape, murder, torture….from the koran, which b.o. reads and believes…I do not capitalize anything having to do with b.o.

Anonymous

Sweetheart you follow a book that was written by folk’s who didn’t know where the sun went at night? This is where you get your inspiration from? Read numbers 15-32 and then light this book on fire. God is an evil prick, isn’t he?

DE Navarro

Box of hair.

Anonymous

Haven’t we realized that there has been “perfect environment” on this planet only once in its history. If you are, as I am, a believer you know that there was perfect environment in the Garden of Eden not because of anything that man did, but because of what God did. You also must realize that it remained that way until Satan convinced man and woman to sin, and as a result perfect environment was ruined by Satan and the introduction of sin into the world. The curse that God placed on the world because of Adam’s rebellion was that the earth would bring forth thorns and briars and man would have to till the ground for his livelihood. There will be a time of perfect environment in the future during the thousand year reign of Jesus Christ on the throne of David. Again, Satan will intervene in the affairs of man and that perfect environment will cease to exist.

But Satan has used misguided individuals throughout history to champion his cause so that he can prove that man is the master of his own destiny and that he, Satan, will create a perfect environment, thus superseding God as the sovereign universe. Perfect environment is not the answer. It is a personal relationship of Jesus Christ that will change the greed in the hearts of men that produce the environmental conditions that are plaguing our planet.

Of course this is my opinion and you may see it differently. That is your choice.

Anonymous

Mr. Gore….well I’d say with “all due respect” but I would be lying. You have manufactured this entire concept to benefit yourself, sir. And, as a Capitalist I have to say you won. But if truth is what you’re after…..You aren’t telling the truth and you know it. You have more scientists saying that like the 70’s, when liberals were crying about the next ice age…you’re benefitting from this lie. And, evidently, having your millions and millions isn’t enough. You want to perpetuate the lie even more. I can’t believe, at this point, you still believe it…unless you are delusional…which is wholly possible. You got an Oscar…the Nobel (which lost any respect from your and Obama’s prize) and I think you truly believe the hype. And so do other lost souls, but not me and most people who know how to research the Internet and find out facts for themselves. You are a puffed up…empty suit who threw away a wife because of your inflated ego (sadly). And I know so many people who think you are a joke.

Anonymous

Al Gore doesn’t scare me. What scares me is that there are people that actually believe this fool. This is a man that BARELY passed earth science. EARTH SCIENCE!!! That’s the class for jocks so they can get their science credits. And now he’s some sort of expert on global warming? Don’t think so. This movement is nothing more than a political grab for power by legislation through litigation AND….it also managed to enrich fat Al Gore by over 98 MILLION DOLLARS.

Anonymous

Gore has lost it. He is either mentally ill, has dementia, or his brain is fried.

Anonymous

Maybe there is global warming. The glacier melt seems to lead in that direction. That being said, in either the 13th or 14th century, the same thing happened. Tree ring records show there was an extensive period when Earth’s atmosphere heated up considerably. No fossil fuel use back then. Maybe the reason is carbon breath emissions from humans as there are so many of us today. Of course, back then there were less of us & many more mammals of other species so it appears that human breath couldn’t be the culprit. Why don’t we look at a new approach. THE SUN IS HOTTER YOU LIBERAL,TREE HUGGING IDIOTS.

DE Navarro

The Earth goes through cycles of heating and cooling — that’s why we have had Ice Ages and Tropic Ages — all before man ever arrived on the scene.

I wonder who was at fault back then?

No one, the Earth does what the Earth does.

Anonymous

Sweetheart, it’s sad the AGW is too difficult for you to understand. You need A couple of more years in high school, and I think you may start to understand it.

Anonymous

Vac, are you getting paid for all the foolish and trivial ramblings?

DE Navarro

Box of hair.

Anonymous

Sweetheart don’t embarrass yourself by making a stupid statement like the sun is getting hotter. OKAY? It’s better to let people think your stupid then to put it in print and prove it. Understand?

Anonymous

I got proof that Global Warming is a hoax. Just listen to “Bloomberg” or any of the other one of those “finance and stock ratings” type shows. Last night, they were all talking about how all the carbon stocks hadn’t done as well as they thought they would, something like 60% less than predicted, and here is ol’ Al, trotting around with his Bulls–t again, right on schedule. I also heard he lost a few trill in prospected earnings when his company didn’t take off like it should have done. No, I don’t know much about finances, but I know a shyster when I see one.

women99

I Bet Al fat A puts a large part of that carbon in the air with his private jet and big home

Anonymous

No one seems to be referring to the effects from Monsanto GMO industry on/in agriculture and chemtrail spraying. Keep in mind William Gates, Sr, has been active in the Eugenics programs, his son, Bill, as well, to bring global population down; thusly, very involved in the GMO systems. These activities affect climate change of which all government agencies are aware. Al Gore is one of the biggest crooks on the planet and, hopefully, his actions will soon be exposed.

women99

God
will decide if it is hot or cold not FAT ALBERT

Anonymous

Sweetheart, which god are you talking about? Some gods think al gore is right and global warming is real. If some gods think that, how can you argue?

DE Navarro

Box of hair.

DannyE

Al gore is the offspring of a donkey and a syphilitic mother. Global warming is a how to dumb down liberals kit. The speak it and appear stupid…while they lose brain cells.

women99

I wonder how much carbon Fat Albert spewed during this 34 minute speech

Jeri107

Since I don’t have any scientific information, graphs or charts, let me just say GORE IS FULL OF SHIT, and the only reason he made this whole global warming crap up, is MONEY

DE Navarro

I have discovered that there is a direct correlation on the graphic charts with the rise in temperature and the level of b.s. coming out of Gore’s mouth.

Anonymous

Sweetheart, if you don’t have any graph’s or charts, sit down and shut-up. I’ll handle this. OKAY?

http://www.facebook.com/kevin.fleming.963 Kevin Fleming

this man makes no sense at all. really Al, 400 nuclear bombs go off in our upper atmosphere everyday is your example. if that was the case we all would have been burn to a crisp 20 years ago.

Anonymous

Oh man. Yup, they can’t account for how the Earth has been cooling for the past 20 years, so they have to blame it on something while saying Climate Change, or Erratic Weather patterns as a substitute. Problem is, the climate isn’t changing, beyond that seasons come and they go, and the whether is just as predictable as ever it was. We get a doubt in one spot of the US one year, and we get a surplus of rain the next. they really don’t know how to handle this. They’ve built empires on this lie and they have to make every excuse to keep it going, to keep the engine that is in place via the EPA and the UN to destroy us, and any like us.

Amazing to also look at these slimy, sleazebags collude with one another. Oh, Harry, that was so over the top. Oh, Harry, thank you, from the bottom of my heart…

God, these slimeballs would make Sodom and Gomorrah envy with their sleaze and decadence.

However, that was comical. I just wish it didn’t have to be about these pieces of dirt, but something truly that was good to laugh at.

motherall

The only one who should be ashamed is the two faxed mr. Al himself. Stop with charade

Anonymous

Could Al be suffering from syphilis? His brain seems cooked; He’s been touting this lie, it has to now be 20 years, no?
.

Watch it

Could be, he denied his way out of allegations by that masseuse about trying to force himself on her sexually. Who knows where he gets his warming, globally …. 😉

Anonymous

Was he talking about HIS alcoholic father? That would explain a lot. Having him for a son would drive me to drink too.

Anonymous

all the scientists in the world in support of agw can’t change the fact the Earth is ever changing and always has been. and considering how little weather has been studied and recorded officially and scientifically, logic dictates it would take hundreds, if not thousands of years to come to any conclusion either way. right now, the reality is, the global warming charade is merely theory and speculation based on, more or less, unproven, knee jerk reactive, prejudice data. anyone who thinks otherwise, is in denial. check … and mate.

Anonymous

You’re saying that the scientific establishment of every major country on earth has bought into a hoax? Do you understand the scientific method? Are you aware that the same scientific establishment has established the standards, methods and practices that have brought us from pre-history, through ancient history to the modern age, with computers, space travel and all the rest?

Guest

LMAO! “the same scientific establishment has established the standards, methods
and practices that have brought us from pre-history, through ancient
history to the modern age, with computers, space travel and all the
rest? ” Too funny! You believe that the IPCC is THE scientific community? . The IPCC that constructed a study whereby the desired ends determined the data, model and method? LMFAO!

algoreis your stereotypical liberal. you disagree with them, they attack you personally, yet they claim to be so tolerent. riiiiight.

spoke

For those that blame man for global warming I have only this one question. Do you all remember the discussion of the “Ice Age” ? Even have a cartoon about it. Remember? Ok, after the Ice Age what warmed the Earth up? Man was not here? There were no SUV’s, there was no coal fired plants? So if man didn’t cause the Earth to warm up? What did? Recently the discovery channel pointed out that the Earth over time will actually get colder and then prior to the sun actually dying out it will suddenly burst forth with so much heat that we will all be dead. Why worry about something that we truly cannot control. Instead, love your families, be good to your neighbors, vote Republican and live a happy life. Oh and tell all socialist pigs to bug off…

DE Navarro

It was Raymond — remember, the Wooly Mammoth was Raymond Romano. Him and his ilk caused the Ice Age and then caused the subsequent warm up by dying and decaying and decomposing and becoming CO2 and methane gas.

Anonymous

Sweetheart how can you make a statement like “love your families and be good to your neighbor,” and be a climate denier at the same time? By Being a climate denier you are making a statement that you hate your kids. That’s right, if you don’t care enough about your childrens future to get up to speed on AGW then you hate your kids. Simple as that! When you put your party before your kids, you hate your kids. By voting republican you prove you hate your kids, isn’t that sad? Why don’t you just spit in your children’s faces, and tell them the republican party, and the 1% COME BEFORE THEM!!! Then watch my show. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C_NzZWFaxQ

DE Navarro

Box of hair.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Sandy-Caruso/1587245855 Sandy Caruso

Global warming to Al Gore is about Al Gore making ‘money’ LOTS of it. It is a hoax, plain and simple and Gore has made 100 million because of it.

Anonymous

Sweetheart please explain to us how global warming is a hoax? Be specific and name your sources, Thank you.

Brent Coleman

OK, guys, civil rights, gay rights etc are NOT science. Science is moving away from the Algorian theory of warming. Al Gore is still a nut.

http://AskHuldah.blogspot.com/ Maidservant Huldah

Gen 8:22-19 “While the earth remains,
Seedtime and harvest,
And cold and heat,
And summer and winter,
And day and night
Shall not cease.”

Jos 24:15 “If it is disagreeable in your sight to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves today whom you will serve (Al Gore)… but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.”

Anonymous

Absolutely as will we God bless

Anonymous

Sweetheart, why would you quote a book that was written by folks who didn’t know where the sun went at night. Read numbers 15-32. god is a real prick, isn’t he? And you’re quoting him, that’s sad.

DE Navarro

Box of hair.

Anonymous

Al Gore is a science illiterate and an outright lair who just makes it up. Here is the absolute proof in his own words:

“Peer reviewed” is nothing but a deceptive racket. Go find someone who agrees with you and have them review it and pat you on the back (and they get paid for it).

“Peer reviewed” is meaningless in our world where there is a total lack of integrity.

It’s all about money, buying and selling endorsements.

Same as lobbying in government. Anytime I see “peer reviewed” as the basis of credibility, I laugh — it is meaningless — the peers already agree with you and then get you to review their papers and endorse them so that you all can scam the government and get your billions in funding.

Lies lies lies based on the love of money.

You wouldn’t be far off to say that “Money is the primary driver of global climate.”

DE Navarro

So sorry I did not communicate well in my response to you. yes, I know your post was in support of mine and many others’ positions that man-made global warming is a hoax. I should have started out my original response with “Thanks for the support, appreciate the reference.” And then went into my point about how distorted the term “peer review” has become.

I was not directing my comments at you — but at the issue of peer review and how it is now used as some sort of credibility stamp when it is still wide open to manipulation. And now people believe things that are “peer reviewed” have some sort of higher credibility — there is no safety in numbers, it is false.

So again, very sorry if you took offense, I appreciated the support and content, but I got a little passionate about blasting that “peer review” monster.

Thanks.

Anonymous

Sweetheart stop proving you didn’t graduate high school by claiming the “peer-reviewed” process is open to manipulation? Your kids are begging you, mommy, Stop proving that you don’t know what you’re talking about, you’re making us look like, we’re all retarded. BATTA-BING!! Have your kids watch my show, at least they’ll learn something. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C_NzZWFaxQ

DE Navarro

Box of hair.

DE Navarro

Man made global warming according to current scientific models should happen in the upper atmosphere first, and the conundrum current scientists are facing is why the surface temperatures are rising and NOT the upper atmospheric temperatures — why?

All models point to the fact that our greenhouse gasses are increasing and trapping the sun’s heat. BUT, if the dual set of data is correct (set 1: satellite measurements, set 2: weather balloons) that the upper atmosphere measurements prove it is NOT warming consistent with the surface.

So what is the explanation?

Does anyone remember what is at the center of the Earth? Yes, a molten core. That core will heat and cool based on magnetic pull, gravity and other unseen forces of the universe.

If the warming is happening on the surface, does it not make simple sense that perhaps our core is experiencing an increase in heat?

Man-made global warming is a hoax.

Anonymous

Sweetheart, it’s obvious you are not a climate scientist, so why are you pretending to be one? For your kids sake, Stop making yourself look stupid by posting things you know nothing about. Let’s leave climate science to the climate scientists. We don’t need an asshole like you, who doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the wall, telling us about science.

Gene Sibbett

Let’s see… how long has it been since he said the polar caps would melt in 5 years? Can we call him a phony yet? Where’s the data outside of the cocoon he has constructed.

Anonymous

Sweetheart, today you can swim across the North Pole. Pretty sad, isn’t it? As you can see al gore was right. BATTA-BING!!

DE Navarro

Box of hair.

Take 2

oh no! Al should announce the Obama gases that are just a day from a few thousand years away from earth! I liked the beard Al…! Sexy – strong mopey looking Tom Cat.

pushtoshove

I believe the earth is changing, and being only 46 I am old enough to remember when summer came on gradually and winter did as well..I also am an avid surfer ( 23 years at the beach and am very aware of trending weather…Does that make me an expert? of course not…does my opinion count…Of course it does ) I recently ( well 8 years ago ) went to surf Kauai….and the reefs were blanched…also blue cave was dry…A local life guard said they were having a drought ..( usually 400 inches per year of rainfall ) do i see this as global warming? I dont know..I do know the volcanic activity in the islands is high these years.. I will not claim to be part of a race that is capable if altering the course of a planets evolution…I say the human race is just not that advanced…Arrogance is not an attractive option for me..Will i take a side ,in this pissing contest? No…..I will watch my own activities and try to live in harmony with my environment…World wars? Just pissing contests with terrifying amounts of stubbornness….It does not matter who is right. It matters that we are aware of living in harmony with the environment.One last thing….every year i have gone out to surf the morning after the so called “earth day”….The worst litter you have ever seen and smog to boot…every time….

DE Navarro

No one is denying that global warming is taking place, the hoax is that it is man caused by CO2 emissions. This is a ridiculous assertion for the following scientifically factualy reasons:

1) Anyone can check this scientifically established fact that about 96% of CO2 emissions are naturally caused and only 4% are due to man on the earth.

2) CO2 is absolutely NOT the prime driver in global climate, it has a very minor role.

3) The rise in the CO2 graph line closely resembles that of the rise in temperature and can fit very nicely together in shape — this fact is used by Al Gore and other proponents of CO2 caused global warming to validate their point — they say, “See the correlation, rise in CO2 corresponds to the rise in Earth temperature.” But what they conveniently do not point out is that upon careful analysis of the chart, you will see that the CO2 line actually lags behind the rise in temperature line by a number of years. So even though the lines track with each other in shape, the CO2 line happens AFTER the rise in temperature. So the exact opposite is true, it is the rise in temperature that precipitates the rise in CO2. And this is very simply scientifically explainable, the number one source of CO2 release on the planet is the ocean. As the ocean heats up it releases more CO2 as it cools down it absorbs CO2. So quite simply, as the ocean waters begin to heat up by absorbing the heat of planet Earth when temperatures rise, they release more CO2 and thus in subsequent years the CO2 in the atmosphere goes up. So they are lying when they try to make it appear the other way around.

Sweetheart you posted a lot of crap in this post so let’s take them one at a time, okay? In #1 you claimed that 96% of co2 is naturally caused and only 4% is man-made. Stop right there!!!!!! Please post the evidence that conclusively proves your point. It must be specific and you have to name your sources, sound fair? Post it, or piss off, okay?

DE Navarro

Box of hair.

DE Navarro

The link was already posted with the original statement, but I wouldn’t expect a BOX OF HAIR to notice that.

Don Payson

This is from the same asshole who sold his TV station to a company back by Middle Eastern oil.. and you morons believe him??

Jim Davidson

AGW, to any important extent, is a myth and CO² is not a pollutant.

Anonymous

Sweetheart, if you can prove AGW is a myth, post your evidence, and your sources, be specific. Thank you.

DE Navarro

Box of hair.

Kathleen

Climate has been constantly changing for centuries. Al Gore needs to check out the maps and notes from the past centuries. The continents changed, weather changes, etc. nothing ever remains quite the same if you look far enough in the past.

DE Navarro

I suppose that when volcanoes that were dormant for centuries start exploding it will be our fault too.

Anonymous

Sweetheart we don’t want you to suppose nothing. Just listen to the climate scientists, that’s all. Pretty simple, isn’t it?

GLOBAL WARNING IS A FATE. JUST A WAY FOR SOMEONE TOMAKE MONEY. GUESS HE NEEDS SOME MORE MONEY NOW.

Anonymous

Oh my dear God in heaven–please help us get our beloved country back on track to goodness, kindness, honesty and integrity.

DE Navarro

We certainly could use a little bit of human warming one to another. God bless you, and remember that God is still on the throne and He will remember His own — this whole mess of a world we live in will pass away and all will be rectified.

Anonymous

Sweetheart are you a god freak????? Which god do you like? Do you have a favorite god? Is there a god of the month club or something like that?

http://www.speakthewordnow.com Karen Rose

Listen up vacmancan,…Why are you so mad and furious about everything that is true? Don’t reply, because I already know the answer. You are the one that is making a fool out of yourself. The fool has said in his heart, there is no God. Everyone knows that there is a God, even if they try to push Him out of there mind. And it doesn’t matter how hard that they try, nothing can change the TRUTH. Get a load of this….Matthew 25 New King James Version (NKJV)
The Parable of the Wise and Foolish Virgins25 “Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2 Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish. 3 Those who were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them, 4 but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. 5 But while the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept.6 “And at midnight a cry was heard: ‘Behold, the bridegroom is coming;[a] go out to meet him!’ 7 Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ 9 But the wise answered, saying, ‘No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.’ 10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut.11 “Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open to us!’ 12 But he answered and said, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.’13 “Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour[b] in which the Son of Man is coming.Have an awesome day

Anonymous

Karen, what does the Christian idea of God have to do with an argument about science? It’s always curious to me that so many on the political Right rely on the Old or New Testament when arguing politics and science. American law is secular, deliberately so, and it’s a very good thing. It helps protect the integrity of both politics and religion. Why mix them?

DE Navarro

The problem is in “what is religion?” Religions are man-made attempts to reach God, gods, a god, a deity, an ultimate source, a Supreme Being, Whatever.

Man’s attempts always fail because he is going about it all backwards.

If indeed we are formed made and created by a Supreme Being, then that Being would of necessity be superior to us to an infinite, supernatural, and timeless manner, to name a few.

We are finite, living in a finite world, able to measure and interact with our world in a finite way — how ridiculous to think that the finite could explain the infinite, that that which is made can define the Maker.

However, the absolute TRUTH is eternal whether anyone ever discovers it, believes it, finds it, acknowledges it or not — it is what it is — independent of man because it is TRUTH. Similarly we do have natural laws in the universe that, although they do not reach the level of truth, are nonetheless very immutable laws in our physical universe, such as the Law of Gravity, the Law of Temperature or Thermodynamics, and many other Laws of Physics and Science.

If I denied gravity, electricity, how temperature behaves, it would be absolutely foolish.

My attitude toward temperature or gravity does not change the laws of thermodynamics and gravity one iota — it still is what it is whether anyone believes it or not.

Religions have long skewed and distorted man’s views of science out of fear, out of the necessity to preserve their religious position that man invented once that position is challenged by reality and/or truth.

Truth is right, religion is not.

So just as we cannot change what gravity is or temperature is by what we believe about it, we cannot change what TRUTH is because of what we believe about it.

TRUTH is superior to the finite universe, it is superior to FACTS, it is superior to natural laws of the universe because truth extends into dimensions and realms that are beyond physical science. TRUTH is what is behind the physics.

Finite man can only register and evaluate the physics or science of anything, not the eternal truth of it.

So the only way that man will ever know his Creator, if there is One, is if that Creator reveals Himself/Herself/Itself to man and explains Itself to man.

That Creator has. And I will stop there, because it comes down to a free will choice to believe or not. And by all finite odds of probability and by all scientific methods and by all physical means known in this universe, from a purely scientific perspective, it is a 50/50 chance for either side to be right. Period.

Why? Because since finite science cannot test, measure or evaluate God by anything in this physical universe, then it cannot prove God anymore than it can disprove God. It is simply outside the realm of the infinite.

Science can neither prove nor disprove God with equal force. From the purely scientific perspective God might exist, He might not — it’s 50/50 — no way to measure it or tell it.

If you choose not to believe, then you will not know if God exists or not now. The very presence of the universe is God’s calling card to anyone who wants to know. And to those who want to know, God will be revealed.

And remember, you can laugh at me, discredit me, make me a freak before the world — it doesn’t matter because TRUTH is independent of man, and nothing you or I can say, do or think will ever change what it is no more than we can change the law of gravity by what we think about it.

So go ahead and ridicule if you want or must, but I know.

Anonymous

Thank you. I appreciate and agree with much of this, and in any case, I’d never mock any person’s beliefs – although I, too, find religious certainty as absurd as atheism. My concern, like that of many others, is that religion is frequently used in preference to empiricism on critical matters of public policy.

DE Navarro

Thank you, that’s the best testimony anyone could ever give to me.

Now read Karen Rose’s response and try to have a little more personality and intelligence than a box of hair.

Anonymous

Sweetheart, which god are you praying too? Can you be specific. There’s a lot of gods out there. Which one?

DE Navarro

Box of hair.

http://sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/ Gadamer too

Anthropogenic climate change is not in doubt unless you want to believe the liars in the fossil fuels business.

Know how many people consider Glenn Beck “crazy?” Lots. Beck is the last person to point fingers. I doubt many of his followers have figured out that Beck is a shill for the Koch brothers and their vast empire, but he is leading people toward the destruction of civilization once positive feedback of methane release kicks in.

Beck is a demagogue pushing a dangerous agenda, and yes, not unlike an alcoholic. Even Pres. Bush said that we’re addicted to oil. I bet $100.00 Glenn Beck did not smear Bush like he’s smearing Gore.

DE Navarro

Box of hair.

Guest

Victor Tiffany the Glenn Beck hater posts once again. Victor is the sick fake journalist who post hate filled garbage all over the internet.

His sickness is quite evident in his comments. He also hates big business but works for a Fortune 500 company that paid his bills. He also uses their computers to spam the internet with his hatred for fortune 500 companies.

He’s also a failed Occupy Wall street idiot.

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Victor is a liberal parrot. They just repeat without thinking. Given that his mental powers and analytical skills are lacking, he makes a good little puppet.

Todd Scheller

Plus what he can do when swallowing those liberal talking points is amazing.

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He has a future doing b grade X-rated movies – he wants acceptance in the LGBT community, so it’s a good ‘fit’.
😉 LOL

Todd Scheller

His real future is in c grade X-rated movies.

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LOL – you could be right. His lines as well as everything else he just can’t get down.

Anonymous

Just a question that you’ll perhaps be kind enough to answer: who is Victor Tiffany, and why is there an obsession with him/her among so many Beck-o-philes?
Follow-up question: assuming this person is a fool and a salacious liar, what does that have to do with the substance of other arguments posted by folks, like me, who disagree with Beck?

It makes no sense to me when I post an argument and receive a response mentioning Victor Tiffany. I hope you will at least answer question # 1 for me, so that I’ll have some background. As for question # 2, that may be a bit tougher, I expect.

Thanks for your consideration.

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I don’t have the time to explain Victor Tiffany. There isn’t an obsession with him among anyone, he however does have an obsession with Glenn Beck. He has made himself sort of ‘famous’ over the past 3-4 years with his behavior on Becks site and others. Some of this behavior includes making libelous statements about Beck and many of the posters on his site, threatening people who call him on lies or other misinformation, or who disagree with him, who win a debate using logic or facts, as he can’t back up his opinions (which he presents as facts) with actual facts. He has attacked people with vile, vulgar, sexually perverse and explicit epithets. He was banned at Becks and other sites, but manages to re-enter using a new account or faked IP. He has privatized his profile to hide the evidence, and usually “guests” his posts to hide his identity. There is more to the story, but I haven’t the time or interest in delving into it. He is a liar and slanderer and otherwise dishonest.

Now a question for you, why do you label people as “Beck-o-philes” and what is your definition of this label? It does seem to be used with the intention to denigrate.

Anonymous

A Beck-o-phile, as the name suggests, is someone who likes Glenn Beck. I use it to refer to some of the regulars who post on his site and seem to accept Beck’s stories as reality. While there’s nothing inherently derisive in the term itself, if you’ve read my posts, you’ll know that I have little respect for most opinions that agree with Beck’s. I think it’s very clear that Beck is a hatemonger, literally. He makes a living by selling hate. I can elaborate if you’d like, just let me know.

I was interested in learning who Victor Tiffany is because he’s mentioned frequently, often with sexual innuendo, and also because, as I noted, some responses to my posts have accused me of being him, being in cahoots with him, being in a relationship with him, etc. So, it makes sense that I’d want to get in on the joke, no? I appreciate your filling me in, especially since you mentioned twice that you didn’t have time to do so.

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I don’t have time to fill you in completely about Victor – you got the time saving abbreviated version.

So, you admit then that your use of the term “Beck-o-phile” is derisive.

HOSPADA BETUMBE’

Marb is a little misinformed about all kinds of things. I’ve just read her ranting for the past 6 months and she’ clueless.

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I think she looks through the lefty biased lens. I notice when she justifies her position, (s)he doesn’t have all the facts, just the select ones that support one angle, and then makes illogical extrapolations/extensions and generalizations.

Anonymous

Thanks, your description, however brief, told me what I wanted to know. I googled him and found out more.

The term “Beck-o-philes” is both too broad and too playful (I enjoy concocting monikers for friend and foe alike) to give you a handle on my attitude towards Beck-o-philes. I approach posts and their authors on a case-by-case basis. But, as I said, I find Beck to be a malign person, and it follows that I generally don’t respect the arguments of those who agree with him. But while I have contempt for Beck, I can respect someone who believes his nonsense, so long as they do likewise. Good people can believe in very foolish ideas, and Beck preys upon many of them. That’s the pity of it.

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You won’t find the answer to why people react to Victor the way they do on Google.

As for Beck or any one who agrees with something he says, you use an awfully broad brush.

Anonymous

I went to VT’s own site. Yes, he has an obsession with Beck, but then, I agree that Beck is one of the foulest of the foul, and it’s kind of funny that folks would get upset about someone who, in their opinion, slanders Beck, since Beck makes his living by slandering others. What goes around comes around, no?

Regardless, I still don’t understand why anyone would bother making or joining juvenile threads about VT’s sexuality. This sort of attack adds nothing to any discussion; it’s circle-jerking. And there is a lot of it, not only about VT but about everyone else Beck targets with inflammatory b.s.

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Apparently you don’t get it. People get upset with VT because of the way he treats them. When they, with facts, debunk a claim he makes, he makes personal attacks on them which are vulgar, vile, sexually explicit deviant attacks, even threats. It has been going on for 3-4 years and has even gotten him banned from websites. It has caused a lot of people to develop a ‘hair trigger’. I explained this to you in another post – you seem to have forgotten it?

He posts at Becks to vilify, not to take part in the topic. People got sick of it and his treatment of them so they retaliate, so “what goes around comes around”, yes – he gets it back.

If you think Beck is one of the foulest of the foul, why persist in posting here? Do those foul include people like the MSNBC crew of Schultz, Sharpton, Maddow, Matthews, Olberman to mention a few? Or some of the bloggers at Salon, Mother Jones, Media Matters etc? I bet they get a pass from you. Your claim that “Beck makes his living by slandering others” is a gross overstatement but typical of statements lefties make. He does no more slandering than any other commenter of political topics and people does, but since you hang left, you would have a bias filter that doesn’t let you see it.

Your comments:
“I still don’t understand why anyone would bother making or joining juvenile threads about VT’s sexuality. This sort of attack adds nothing to any discussion; it’s circle-jerking.” It is called venting, or even retaliation. It is a response to VT’s years of attacks – as you said what goes around…” As far as sexual references – he makes sexual reference personal attacks. Also people still remember comments he made about Jesus f*cking sheep. I don’t care if you are Christian or not, that sort of vilification is unjustified and he will not be allowed to get away with it. That is just a hint of his history. I won’t go into the threats he made on people lives – take too long and tired of rehashing it – and some of the other shenanigans. As to the last part of your comment …”This sort of attack adds nothing to any discussion…” Let me remind you, Victor posts at Becks to attack and vilify, not to ‘add to the discussion’. You ignored that.

I suggest that if you don’t like Beck and what he has to say, that you refrain from watching, reading, or listening to him. I don’t necessarily agree with everything Beck says, nor do I condone his behavior sometimes, many others here also don’t, but I don’t denigrate others here who do like him or agree with everything he says as VT does.

If you still don’t understand it, think about it more, and without bias. I don’t know what more I can do to make you understand it.

Anonymous

Thanks for the detail about reasons for venting and retaliating at VT. That, along with your suggestion that, if I dislike Beck, I should “refrain from watching, reading, or listening to him”, bring to mind some observations.

I watch, read and listen to Beck and others on the Right, and I engage with them and their supporters – and have done so for 20 years – because I find it fascinating to learn how others think, especially folks with whom I disagree. I don’t want Beck or anyone else to be defined for me by MSNBC or any other business that commoditizes information. So, I learn for myself, first-hand. That’s my “Lefty lens.” Plus, far above my pay grade, at the national level, it’s important to find common ground if we’re to reach the accommodation and compromise necessary to make public policy that’s acceptable in our heterogeneous democracy. Libs tend to understand this.

The joys of knowledge and understanding, as well as the urge for compromise and accommodation, are far more powerful forces on the Left than on the Right, although it’s not typical for the majority of folks on either side, since people generally find it more comfortable to follow group norms than to question them. It’s no surprise that artists and creative types tend to tilt Left, as do academics and the gay community. The fact that academia tends to be on the Left also partly debunks the Right-wing myth of media bias. (I don’t expect you to follow that, but I’ll be happy to explain if you’re interested. The Left has its nonsense, of course, but it has far less bias than the Right.)

I condemn the threats and obscenities you say VT uses. But you can’t condone venting and retaliation against VT or Libs without accepting that VT and Libs are also responding to provocation. In my view, the Right clearly bears responsibility for causing most of our nation’s problems today, but Beck and his ilk, along with most of the TP, rather than admit the many errors of their ways, choose to aggressively attack those in both parties who have learned from the past and are trying to mend the damage. The Right caused this mess, and now they’re trying to keep saner people from cleaning it up.

The last two decades have shown that the main difference between Left and Right is not so much about philosophy as it is about process. Or rather, for the Right, it’s philosophy, for the Left it’s process. The Right’s belief in its disproven dogmas remains so unshakeable that, time and again, it places politics above country, threatening the economic, financial and governmental institutions that have made America great (think debt-ceiling hostage negotiations). Partly to distract attention from their culpability and partly because hyperbolic appeals to anger, resentment and force have always been in the DNA of the American Right-wing, Beck et al encourage venting & retaliation, disrespect & dehumanization against entire categories (like liberals) and, above all, against the democratically-elected leadership of our nation, particularly our President. His purpose is not to inform; it’s to inflame. He’s a rabble-rouser. The emotionality he breeds and nurtures serves to excite passions and cloud reason, making it infinitely more difficult to resolve differences and to govern our country – while making Beck very wealthy. Any similarities on the Left pale in comparison in terms of scope, degree, intensity and strategic importance because the Left has a much smaller audience for demagoguery. Liberalism, by nature, is more disposed to compromise than to combat.

OK, so you don’t agree. Yes, this is a bare sketch of reality different from yours, but all the details is there in abundance, easy to see, in plain sight, for anyone willing to venture out of the protective Right-wing bubble.

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Oh my goodness!
I haven’t seen as much of this stuff since my neighbor mucked out the stalls last winter, until just now.

Anonymous

Great response, good example of what most folks do when confronted by issues they find too messy to deal with. It’s easier on the heart and mind to assume that ideas you don’t like are just horse-shit that may be ignored. Problem for you, for me and everyone else, is that this doesn’t solve problems, it makes them worse. The reality I present affects you whether you decide to look into it or not.

Here’s a final pearl of wisdom, since you seem to be a nice person, like most of my friends on the Right, all of whom are white, Christian, mostly rural. (I’m not.) The perspective of the historically dominant culture, which frames your worldview, is not available to everyone. People who are not white-Christian generally see complications, obstacles and thorny issues that may be invisible to you because you most likely don’t have to face them. So, from your viewpoint, some nasty parts of the world just don’t exist. Your ignorance in this regard certainly makes for a more comfortable life – after all, who wants to clean the stable when you don’t have to? – but it doesn’t make for a fuller, more knowledgeable one. The change in America, represented by Obama, threatens your comfort. I threaten your comfort when I call your attention it. At the end of the day, however, denial doesn’t work. You have to adjust and accept new realities in order to continue to survive and prosper. I hope you live long enough to see that I’m right.

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Don’t pretend to know what my knowledge is. Your assumption of this, as well as your assumptions of my perspective or what frames my world view or what I am exposed to is ignorant and offensive. You are far off the mark. You comment in a manner designed to elevate yourself above others that is lacking in merit.

I guess my previous response was to indicate to you that I saw your continuing comments to be basically full of shit and not worth my time. FYI, I don’t find any issues too messy to deal with, but I do get tired of discussing the same things repeatedly with different posters. You don’t threaten my comfort, not even with your condescending attitude, you bore me.

TheMaskedMarauder

Another hope and change dope, eh?

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Yup, another self inflated leftist with blinders on.

TheMaskedMarauder

How can there be so many? One would think they would have trouble finding mates tolerant of their obvious personality defects and thus they would end up bred out of the human race.

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Birds of a feather …..

TheMaskedMarauder

All together.

Anonymous

I admit it: ignorant of who you are, offensive (sorry, I meant only to provoke), condescending, judgmental. Same as you. Where it seems we differ is that I’m looking for intellectual engagement, and I’m bored by dishing with like minds about the idiots on the other side. That’s circle-jerking. It’s an indication that I’m correct about you. Go dish about Victor, and please add me to the list.

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When you put it out, you get it back. If you want to think you’re correct, I don’t care, but you aren’t.

Get over yourself, you aren’t worth further time.

Anonymous

Just what I expected. We’re so much alike.

Hasta luego!

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LMAO!

Anonymous

Thank you, thank you, I’m here all week!

Guest

Vicky
Anthropogenic climate change is in doubt unless you want to believe the liars in the left wing political pocket.

Know how many people consider Victor Tiffany “crazy?” Lots. Victor is the last person to point fingers. I doubt Vicky realizes that everyone knows he is a shill for Obama, the real liar and the left wing puppet masters who are flushing this country down the economic sewer.

Obama is a demagogue pushing his Socio-Marxist ideology with his Obamacare, a dangerous agenda, and yes, not unlike an alcoholic. Even Max Baucus said that it’s a train wreck waiting to happen. I bet $100.00 Victor Tiffany did not smear Obama like he’s smearing Beck.

Bill

TAHOE is nice, but it’s not the fairest place on earth. He’s obviously never been to British Columbia.

Anonymous

Aljazeera is a traitor. Other than that, he is an arrogant, delusional, bloated, corrupt blowhard that spews his lies while he lives in a mega huge house and jets around the world sucking up more power than my small town in a year. Why anyone would listen to this fool is puzzling as he has zero credibility. If he truly believed his global warming gospel he would walk the talk. That is how you tell a true believer. It is all about finding “solutions” to the imaginary “problem” and laughing all the way to the bank, period.

DE Navarro

And those are his best qualities.

Anonymous

I wonder how many SUV’s it took to reverse the last ice age ?

DE Navarro

Didn’t you know that dinosaurs drove them and that’s why they became extinct?

Anonymous

Sweetheart, do you ever think about what your saying when you are writing? Why do you insist on making an asshole out of yourself? You “KOCH-SUCKERS” are willing to make stupid remarks to support the Koch brothers, and the 1%. Why? Don’t you have ant respect for the other members of your family, or, are they as stupid as you are. I’m betting they’re as stupid as you are. Am I right?

Anonymous

You are some piece of work. ‘Stupid is as stupid does”, and all you write is stupid stuff, especially calling everyone “Sweetheart”. There must be something wrong with you, no?

Anonymous

Alright I wish there was a way to boot people off that were condescedning, rude, arrogant and insulting. Look I enjoy a DEBATE. Not insults, post your links and quit the “sweet heart” stuff” these are what people call “trolls” they aren’t interested in intellectual debate. Vacant keeps posting links from global warming fascists, and I acts idiotic by saying “BATTA BING” sorry to break it to you, you didn’t “batta bing” anybody. All you did was make yourself look stupid. I only insult back because its the only language you people understand. If you were at least half way respectful and disagreed then I’d have no problem but your jerk. Go in a gutter and die somewhere please.

Anonymous

This needed to be said a long time ago.

DE Navarro

And that is exactly why I have responded to his lunacy in kind. I have thousands of posts and rarely do I ever call anyone anything. I may say their argument is weak or they are displaying stupidity, but I don’t call them names.

However, vacman is well deserving of the angst he has brought upon himself. I refuse to respond to a box of hair, so I will not post anything else in response to his lunacy.

He lives in paper towel tube in some alternate reality.

Thanks and take care.

Anonymous

Sweetheart, there’s an off button on the computer, but there is no anti-BITCH-SLAPPING button. BATTA-BING!! I love smackin” the snot out of you. Are you a creationist?

DE Navarro

Box of hair.

Anonymous

The so called “scientests” on that you say are “peer reviewing” are funded by various governments and organizations who want the power of the state to grow. Their highly suspect. Just because something is “peer reviewed” doesn’t mean its the end all be all. I want to see what organizations and groups fund these scientist’s research, questions you seem you don’t want to answer. The more they give the various governments what they want to hear, the more funding they get.

DE Navarro

Vacman is a box of hair.

Anonymous

Sweetheart stop insulting yourself, by saying that peer-reviewed studies are suspect? By saying that you prove that you never graduated high school, that’s sad. You’re an embarrassment to your family. Why do hate your kids? Why don’t you care enough about their future to get up to speed on global warming? Why do you put your party before your kids? You sound like you need some mental help. Starting in Jan. thanks to your buddy, obama, you cam get the care you need!!! Thanks to obamacare, you can get some help!!!!! BATTA-BING!!!!! Watch my show, I teach people how to stop hating their kids. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C_NzZWFaxQ

DE Navarro

Box of hair.

Anonymous

And the climate change deniers are funded by…?

This idea that climate change science has sold out for the almighty dollar is nonsense, literally. It makes no sense in the real world. Every scientist get a paycheck. Every profession is subject to corruption, it’s human nature.

So, let’s look at this: For your claim to be true, every major scientific organization, worldwide,both academia and government, would have to be corrupted by wealthy, powerful forces that have paid to have studies falsified. Is that your claim?

Meantime, the scientists employed by the fossil fuel industry and the few dissenters from academia and govt are the only ones honestly reporting the story?

And the investigative media has also been taken into the plot?

Is this your claim?

Cuffs

Oh come on, guys. Global warming a.ka. climate change
can all be solved very quickly. We just need a global
carbon tax mainly from industrialized nations. That
should cure it once and for all.

Anonymous

Sweetheart you got the right idea. The fossil fuel industry has to start paying for polluting the air. Nice to see you come around!

DE Navarro

Box of hair.

Anonymous

Well, hell, global warming is Algore’s money maker. Remember he rec’d an Academy Award for that movie which warned all of us. He, also, said there would be another category added to hurricane warnings—category 6 (didn’t he?) “They” came out and said, no it won’t be added.

1@a51cr.com

What is wrong with his shirt? Look on the left shoulder and then the right. I report you decide.

Anonymous

It is as screwed up as he is, ha, ha!

Anonymous

Anthropical global climate change is real, people. Not really, just wanted to say anthropical. It’s such a cool sounding word.

Anonymous

Sweetheart the question is? Do you know what the word anthropic means?

Anonymous

This fool is such a pain.

DE Navarro

vacman aka vacuumbrainman ie suckfaceman = box of hair

Anonymous

Sweetheart, why don’t you take it easy, sit down, light up a nice big fatty, open a bottle of wine and enjoy “Uncle Rich” on you tube. I guarantee you a good time. BATTA-BING!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C_NzZWFaxQ

Anonymous

when is gore going to apologize and make restitution to all the people who haves dies from the tobacco he and his family made there fortune tobacco does kill global warning not yet if ever
so to me al gore is a murderer

Anonymous

It’s obvious that we must teach Truth to 6 yr-olds to contradict the Lies of rich politicians-!
#1-Carbon Dioxide is a heavier gas that normally doesn’t “Float Upwards”-! #2–At altitudes
above 25,000 ft.–temperatures are under 40 degrees-! #3–Cars are strangely Absent–at
this Altitude & Cold Region-! There are no Factories, nor Coal-Fueled Power Plants in this
High Region-! There isn’t any animals that normally live above 25,000 ft.-! #4–18,000
commercial Jet-Liners visit this cold thin Atmosphere–Each Day-!! The Jet-Liners’ Engines
do carry Co2 Gases into this upper-atmosphere-! Most of the Co2 Gases here, were carried
by Aircraft, not by cars, nor by Factories or Power-Plants-! Our deposits of Co2 Gas have
become a “majority” in this ‘Thin-Atmosphere’ Region-! #5–Hot Co2 Gas heated by Jets
normally “Goes Up & Gets Stuck” above these Cold-Air Layers-! #6–Can idiots & their books
on the ground–Change any of the Above Facts-!?? You must understand that a Jet-Liner uses
more fuel during just it’s “Take-Off” than 500 cars-! The size of one Jet-Engine Exhaust
compared to a car’s tail-pipe–is clearly seen by a 4 yr-old, you don’t need a PhD to realize
the difference-! Almost anything that is done on the ground–will not change the fact that the
majority of these “Green-House” Gases were carried into the “Upper-Atmosphere” by Jet-
Liners-! Those gases that were already “Deposited” up there–will probably remain there,
unless the Climate conditions say otherwise-! So now–the ‘Critical Question’ can be asked–
“Is there anything we can do about it-!?” That’s a Loaded Question-! Because no one wants
to do IT-! And yet, the answer is simple-!! “Ground 1/2 of the commercial Jet-Liners & reduce
the number of Air-Ports”-! ( Believe Me–I don’t like this Solution–Either-!! ) But the idiots on
the Ground–insist “We have to do something–to help raise ‘Our TAXES’-!! So they’ve used
every EXCUSE to do so-! The 18,000 commercial Jets are the #1 cause of the Co2 Polution
in the ‘Upper-Atmosphere’-! I found a Web-site, where the British Air Minister disclose their
“Scientific Study for 2008″–which named this Jet-Travel as the “Top 12% and #1 cause to all
Co2 Polutions in the Atmosphere-! Here’s a example-! ( 12% X 5 yrs =60%)–a “Solid”
majority of those Co2 Gases-! (Shock-!) That’s not what Al Gore Says-! “An Ounce of
Brains is worth a ‘Ton of Bull-Chips’-!” Obama won’t understand this either–He was “Brain-
Washed” by Al Gore-! He doesn’t like to read FACTS-! Do cars in CA & FL affect Kansas &
NY or their upper-atmospheres-!? Nope-! How about the factories or Power Plants in VA, OH,
or Michigan-!? It’s the same answer–since none of their industries are based above 25,000 ft,
above sea-level-! Yet, Obama wants to “Cap & Trade”–put a ‘Fine’ on Elec.& Gas industries
& buy ‘Credits’ by his standards, that get “Rid of Nothing” & gives him “Lots of Taxes–which
Trickles down to the average consumer–paid by the “Tax-Payers”, who make less than
$90,000 per year-! You Tax-Payers get your “Hidden-Taxes” raised by having your Electric
& Gas Bills “Doubled”-!! ( Isn’t this the “Fair-Trade” Obama was talking about–“Suckers”-! )
In a recent news-forum, ‘Southwest Airlines’ stated their Jets made over 1.5 million”Climbing-
Ascents” to Cruising Altitude–during one year’s time-! This is like having 3 continuous
“Freight-Trains” dumping “Box-Car” Loads of Co2 “Green-House” Gas in the Atmosphere-!
( Oh, Oceans & Volcanoes were #2 & #3 for the emissions of Co2 Gas–but you can’t stop
either one of those either–Why do you want to be”Taxed on the Free-Air” that you Breathe-!?

Anonymous

Sweetheart, we don’t care what you think. When it comes to climate change we only consider 1 source. Climate scientists, that’s it babe, no one else. So if you’re a climate scientists writing peer-reviewed studies, we’ll listen to you. Otherwise, sit down and shut-up. Okay? While you’re sitting down watch my show and learn something. BATTA-BING!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C_NzZWFaxQ

Andy Porter

Even if global warming was indeed a reality, only Americans and other western countries would submit to the laws designed to reduce greenhouse gasses (and slow their economies). Look at China’s smog problems, yet no major push from anyone to get China into compliance! Of course not! Global warming is an invention of the left and we know China is as far left as a country can be. Leftists never blame their own.

Anonymous

Sweetheart it’s a shame you don’t know what you’re talking about. Where did you get the idea that China is not concerned about AGW? Please post the evidence that proves your point. .Thank you.

Anonymous

True, so true!!!!!

Anonymous

Sweetheart when it comes to climate-change there is only one group of people we need to concern oursevleve’s with, and that’s the climate scientists, right? So what do the climate scientists have to say? BATTA-BING!! You need to watch my show. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C_NzZWFaxQ

Anonymous

Sorry, you are a Ding Bat with your Sweetheart and BATTA-BING drivel. There are more scientists who think global warming is not taking place than scientists who swear there is. A really inconvenient truth isn’t it? The earth has stopped warming in 1997 (Policymic) John Scott. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. You have bee brainwashed by the Left!

Anonymous

Sweetheart you made a claim that “there are more scientists who think global warming is not taking place then the scientists who swear there is.” Didn’t you? Okay, now it’s time for you to post the evidence that supports your claim. Be specific and name your sources and then I’ll rip you a new asshole. Sound fair? You’re up sweet cheeks. Time to make yourself look stupid. Remember, Be specific. Thank you.

Anonymous

I wonder who makes himself or herself look stupid? First of all I gave the source: Google Policymic John Scott Report, but if you care to dig deeper there are many other reports. I don’t even know why I should answer your vile posts, you can’t be normal, your posts are disgraceful and without merit. Don’t write back, because your malevolence is showing. You must be a depraved low life to use such noxious language. Your mother must be really proud of such an immoral wretch.

Anonymous

Sweetheart, you claimed my posts were vile, what did I say that bothered you? Did I call you a “KOCH-SUCKER” who supports the Koch brothers, the 1%, and the fossil fuel industry. I don’t think so, did I? Maybe I pissed you off when I proved that climate deniers hate their kids. Was that it? Sweetheart you can learn stop hating your kids. All you have to do is admit that climate change is going to ruin your children’s future. Most parents care about their children, how did the 1% get you to put them before your children? You suck.

Anonymous

You are beyond help. Hope you do not use that disgusting language in front of your children. The Koch brothers have nothing to do with global warming. You are just jealous. Go to work, teach your children to
be good Christians and stop this nonsense you are preaching. You sound like you just escaped from an evil swamp. All you do is make yourself look stupid because you have a one track mind. As I said you are beyond help. Don’t write back because I do not want to be soiled by your dirty language.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Geoff-Pace/1447673162 Geoff Pace

oh, “global warming” exists alright. We used to call it “summer” and “winter.” D-u-u-h…..

Anonymous

Sweetheart, that’s what stupid people say. Why do want to embarrass yourself and your family by making such a stupid statement?

Anonymous

“Al Gore compares global warming skeptics to an ‘alcoholic father” I guess AlGore can blame his stupidity on his racist father.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=581834054 Ginny Auldridge

those were COLD-canoes [not volcanoes]

Anonymous

I am a believer in garbage science, or, better said, the science of garbage.( a sub-set of archeology). It was warmer in the lands surrounding the North Atlantic a thousand years ago than it is now. In the period called the Medieval Optimum, lasting about 3 to 400 years (depending on your definition), there were no thermometers reading in degrees, but there were plenty of them growing in the ground and pasturing in the fields.

We can tell what crops were grown and what animals husbanded not only by the written records but also by the “kitchen middens”. The Norse settlements on Greenland are a prime example – they grew crops and raised cattle in areas where we couldn’t do that now. There is also evidence that there actually were vinyards in Vinland (Nova Scotia), although that isn’t proven. As the climate cooled around the late 11th C. and early 12th C. the Norse gradually deserted the settlement. The native populations, on the other hand, went back to their earlier diet of marine mammals – according to the Norse writings.

I could go on with examples – the recorded complaints of French vintners about the importing of cheap English wine (currently there are some attempting vinyards in England, they get a half decent crop about every two years – not exactly an export business) – but this is enough.

The real “flat earthers” are those who have a thesis and an agenda and build a “science” to support it. Mann’s “hockey stick” used about 150 “proxies”, most of which he wouldn’t identify – I’m happy just to look at what people were able to grow to eat.

Anonymous

Yep, Global Warming is a man made invention. The facts do not support such a claim. We were told ahead of time, in the bible. in the end times we will face unimanable natural disasters. God is trying to get our attention, wake up humanity.

Anonymous

Did you ever notice scientist often change there anylisist if the facts don’t support their claims. They scramble to find an answer for the change. With lots of words and double talk they manage to fool most people. You want the truth? You want to know why we are facing these hardships on earth. Read your bible. Everything that has happened in the past, has been proven in his word. Everything foretold up to this point has come true. Put your trust in Christ because he is the reason you were given life. If someone told you, “you can live forever in paradise, I will give you a new body, and you will never experience pain or harships again”, what price would you pay for that? A million dollars? More? Well, you have that offer on the table all you need to do is claim it.

Anonymous

“I want to acknowledge everyone who’s made me very rich…”

Anonymous

And by the way, the “sense of despair” he talks about is the part that is actually man-made. FUD is often used to sell loads of crap one is trying to push on those who are unprepared and easily misunderstand.

Raymond DeBrane

News flash! Glenn Beck works for the Koch Brothers, 2 big time oil and coal barons who have funded Beck and a whole lot of other climate deniers. The Kochs organized all those nationwide Tea Party meetings and one of the things the partiers were told is that global warming is a hoax. I hear the Kochs and other energy companies pay well for media shills willing to lie for them. Just Google ‘Climate science denial’ and also Google “climate denial Donors Trust’ and Google Donors Capital’ and read and learn.