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"Just talked to Tom Engberg at Cessna about G1000 WAAS upgrade. He said that
Cessna was waiting on Garmin to propose an upgrade to the pre 07 G1000s. He
also said that it was going to take a change in the GIAs and that would be
very expensive. This is if it is even made available. What I couldn't fine
believeable is that he said no one at Cessna knew if the upgrade was even
going to be made available. I believe that if the present owners of pre 07
G1000s don't start calling Cessna and demanding what their advertisements
stated, we will never get a WAAS upgrade."

"Just talked to Tom Engberg at Cessna about G1000 WAAS upgrade. He said that
Cessna was waiting on Garmin to propose an upgrade to the pre 07 G1000s. He
also said that it was going to take a change in the GIAs and that would be
very expensive. This is if it is even made available. What I couldn't fine
believeable is that he said no one at Cessna knew if the upgrade was even
going to be made available. I believe that if the present owners of pre 07
G1000s don't start calling Cessna and demanding what their advertisements
stated, we will never get a WAAS upgrade."

--
Dan
? at BFM

This will be interesting for CAP. We have lots and lots of 2006 G1000
182's and 206's.

"Robert M. Gary" wrote:
This will be interesting for CAP. We have lots and lots of 2006 G1000
182's and 206's.

Could be really bad. Owners 0f 2004-2006 Cessnas could find the IFR utility
of their airplanes diminishing yearly as the FAA commissions more LNAV-VNAV
WAAS approaches. Can you say "class action suit?"

What about when ADS-B arrives? Will G1000 owners be SOL then, too?

--
Dan

"The future has actually been here for a while, it's just not readily
available to everyone."

...
Could be really bad. Owners 0f 2004-2006 Cessnas could find the IFR
utility of their airplanes diminishing yearly as the FAA commissions more
LNAV-VNAV WAAS approaches. Can you say "class action suit?"

What about when ADS-B arrives? Will G1000 owners be SOL then, too?

...

I can't see the FAA decommissioning VOR / ILS / GPS / RNAV approaches as
they bring up new WAAS approaches. I can see that the older G1000s won't be
able to take advantage of the new approaches.

I also don't see this as a big impact for CAP since very, very little of our
flying is done in IMC (except for transport or maybe electronic searches).

I think this will become a marketing / legal issue for Cessna however,
especially if promises were made.

"Dan Luke" writes:
This will be interesting for CAP. We have lots and lots of 2006 G1000
182's and 206's.

Could be really bad. Owners 0f 2004-2006 Cessnas could find the IFR utility
of their airplanes diminishing yearly as the FAA commissions more LNAV-VNAV
WAAS approaches.

What the?! Did any fool ever any proclaim a guarantee of
"non-diminishing IFR utility"? Even if they did, how exactly do you
figure that the mere existence of LNAV-VNAV approaches somehow
dimishes the utility of those machines that cannot use them?! If
anything, they can be a plus -- there any LNAV-VNAV family approaches
that do not also have plain LNAV?
Can you say "class action suit?" [...]

What the?! Did any fool ever any proclaim a guarantee of
"non-diminishing IFR utility"?

No, but Cessna and Garmin both said that older G1000s would be upgradable.
Even if they did, how exactly do you
figure that the mere existence of LNAV-VNAV approaches somehow
dimishes the utility of those machines that cannot use them?!

Think about the fact that the FAA is counting on GPS to allow them to do away
with ground based NAV systems--it's already happening. Do you really believe
that won't include some ILS's?
If
anything, they can be a plus --

Haw-haw!
there any LNAV-VNAV family approaches
that do not also have plain LNAV?

Evidently the concept of lower minimums for VNAV is new to you.

Can you say "class action suit?" [...]

Yes, and I can also say "bozo the clown".

Can you do tricks on your tiny bicycle, too?

--
Dan

"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus

"Dan Luke" wrote:
Think about the fact that the FAA is counting on GPS to allow them
to do away with ground based NAV systems--it's already happening.
Do you really believe that won't include some ILS's?

So *that's* what you're aching to sue Garmin & Cessna for?
The hypothetical decommissioning of ILS approaches by the FAA?
Good luck with that.

there any LNAV-VNAV family approaches that do not also have plain
LNAV?

Evidently the concept of lower minimums for VNAV is new to you.

Or rather, I can tell the difference between a contrapositive and a
non sequitor.

"Frank Eigler" wrote:
Think about the fact that the FAA is counting on GPS to allow them
to do away with ground based NAV systems--it's already happening.
Do you really believe that won't include some ILS's?

So *that's* what you're aching to sue Garmin & Cessna for?
The hypothetical decommissioning of ILS approaches by the FAA?
Good luck with that.

That's quite a little reading comprehension problem you've got there, Bozo.
Did you take your Ritalin?
there any LNAV-VNAV family approaches that do not also have plain
LNAV?

Evidently the concept of lower minimums for VNAV is new to you.

Or rather, I can tell the difference between a contrapositive and a
non sequitor.

Debatable. If you were that familiar, you ought at least be able to spell the
words. However, judging by your remarks, I'd say you are a natural master of
non sequitur, even if you don't realize it when you are doing it.

--
Dan

"Almost all the matter that came out of the Big Bang was two specific sorts;
hydrogen, and stupidity."