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I received this email from a friend and the attached file
I finally think that this is what some thing Kothar should have been doing. Now they finally realize that Abdes do not know proper way of doing Wadu and Namaz (How can you blame them they were brain washed in doing Qadambosi and Ziyafaats and Purjosh Mataam)
They should be given credit and I do mean it in all sincerity for doing the right thing. Only question this should also be required of all the male population and just not female population but again in Abde Culture Women rules and Kothari Goons controls the male thru Muminas

Bil farmaan Alvazarat us Saifiyah Moazzama, every mumina all over the world needs to take sanad (certificate) for wudu and Namaaz. This sanad will be given basically for the arkaan and duas for wudu and namaaz. The system follows accordingly:
Aamil Saheb/ Masooleen Zaujat takes sanad first and then has a the authority to test others.
To prepare and correct, attached please see the shakelat PDFof wudu and namaaz.Those who seek audio/video will be given upon request.

KhalifatulRahman wrote:wow so again a fatwa exclusive for women....what is this obsession about?

It seems that KahlifatulRaman is more obsessed with woman, you said some thing about Sunnah do you know as per Sunnah, woman can build a good family or ruin a family and our Shafiq Bawa (TUS) knows the hikkmat and that is why the women is trained so she can train the children properly in doing Namaz and Wazu and fathers can learn

yes, there are sometimes glimmers of hope and good which emerge from the otherwise money grabbing kothar. this is indeed a good initiative, but why the requirement to obtain a sanad?? obviously the mumina will have to do a monetary salaam to get it, even if it is a token salaam.

another great initiative which i acknowledge is the taiseerun nikaah system. in principle it has a sound and noble objective. its implementation could be greatly improved though, but i see that in individual towns, they do listen to the youngsters and make adjustments. dozens of voluntary counsellors devoting their time and efforts gratis is to be admired. most of them take their work quite seriously and diligently. what is quite concerning though is their subtle pressure on the kids to select someone they find likeable and 'get on with it'. the counsellors, perhaps misguidedly, call up the parents and urge action. this results in many hastily arranged engagements breaking up and heartaches.

another good thing i see is the community directory where the details of each jamaat member is mentioned, addresses, contact nos, email addresses etc. we are a very well organised community, but what is abhorrent is that the organisation and close ties to the community are being exploited by kothar for their own vested interests.

KhalifatulRahman wrote:wow so again a fatwa exclusive for women....what is this obsession about?

It seems that KahlifatulRaman is more obsessed with woman, you said some thing about Sunnah do you know as per Sunnah, woman can build a good family or ruin a family and our Shafiq Bawa (TUS) knows the hikkmat and that is why the women is trained so she can train the children properly in doing Namaz and Wazu and fathers can learn

Abde talking about sunnah and QURAAN sounds really awkward to my ears, but any ways let me tell you some thing, off course WOMAN is most important member in house to make it or to destroy it but yet WUDU and NAMAZ is compulsory for men and women equally, so fatwa shud have been for both and not just for women.

but any ways your shafiq bawa doesn't knows what fatwas are published from his office, so he is not to be blamed.

its a whole team of IDIOTS who are handling badri mahal.

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AZ bhai
Very good posting. It is nice to see that you made the most fun of our Shafiq Bawa TUS and his Mansoos Sydi wa Maulai Muffadal BS (TUS) but at least
you and SBM bhai do give credit for good things they do.For asking Sanad, I asked about it my Jamaat Secretary and they explained it to me that this way they will make sure that every one has been given Taalim and it will be reported to their E Jamaat Card just like Safai Chitti.
People like K....rehman try to find something wrong.With his evil thinking i thought he would say that the only reason they are giving to woman so the aamil saheb can look at the women. The Sanad to women will be given

Masooleen Zaujat takes sanad first and then has a the authority to test others.

AZ Bhai and SBM Bhai, even though some times I do not like your postings but I am encourage that you as well as GM bhai do give credit for the good things done by our Shafiq Bawa TUS

It seems like this forum is causing some ripples in Kothari Bureaucracy. Brother GM who took a great initiative to expose the Ziyaffats Galore did catch their attention and now all of sudden there are no mentions of Ziyafaats. By having a fruitful debate and claim-counter claims between Anajmi-Adam-Porus it seems that some one in Kothari Goons realized that Progressives do make sense as far as Dawoodi Bohra straying away from Islam,
Might be our posting about them getting classified in the same category of Qadyani/Ahmedi and Br Hussain_KSA observation of how Saudi-Kuwaiti and now Dubai ruler are looking at them and their Islamic practices created some nervousness and this initiative.
Br OZ doing his job of exposing FGM has some what muted their public support.
I hope that Bohraji who started Poverty in Ahmedabad can also get their attention and they do help those in needKUDOS TO THE ADMINISTRATORS OF THIS FORUM YOU ARE BRINGING CHANGES SLOWLY BUT SURELY AND INSHALLAHA ONE DAY WE WILL ALL BE UNITED UNDER RIGHT CIRCUMSTANCES. Ameen

SBM wrote:It seems like this forum is causing some ripples in Kothari Bureaucracy. Brother GM who took a great initiative to expose the Ziyaffats Galore did catch their attention and now all of sudden there are no mentions of Ziyafaats. By having a fruitful debate and claim-counter claims between Anajmi-Adam-Porus it seems that some one in Kothari Goons realized that Progressives do make sense as far as Dawoodi Bohra straying away from Islam,
Might be our posting about them getting classified in the same category of Qadyani/Ahmedi and Br Hussain_KSA observation of how Saudi-Kuwaiti and now Dubai ruler are looking at them and their Islamic practices created some nervousness and this initiative.
Br OZ doing his job of exposing FGM has some what muted their public support.
I hope that Bohraji who started Poverty in Ahmedabad can also get their attention and they do help those in needKUDOS TO THE ADMINISTRATORS OF THIS FORUM YOU ARE BRINGING CHANGES SLOWLY BUT SURELY AND INSHALLAHA ONE DAY WE WILL ALL BE UNITED UNDER RIGHT CIRCUMSTANCES. Ameen

R they?
So why the Aaamil of Australia was in Jail, who exposed them
Why the picture of an Envelope showing Currency was removed from Abde wesbsite once it was exposed here
How come no more posting of Ziyaafats on abde website
Why the restriction on Abde Website
Why the limit on number of pictures on Abde Website
And why the Farman of not visiting this Website at different Bilaads
ALL THESE HAPPENED AFTER IT WAS DISCUSSED AND DISSECTED AT THIS FORUMSO WHO IS DELUSIONAL?