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Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

Originally Posted by Lutherf

The first reports I read apparently came from protesters who were there. They were saying that the shots came from 125 yards away with a pistol. If that was the case then the shooter was either the unluckiest person in the world who "accidentally" shot the cops or he was a better shot than anyone on the planet.

I saw the video and heard the shots. The gunman must have been pretty close. I'd guess he was no more than the other side of the street and was probably on a car. The idea that it was anything other than attempted murder is conspiracy fodder.

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The issue in Ferguson isn't only white cops shooting black men. What's bizarre is I've seen you criticize the heavy handed tactics of cops but Ferguson is the poster boy of systematic abusive and excessive force.

The brief version?
I. Police Department as Revenue Generator
Ferguson Police serving a city with a large portion of people under the poverty line used police citations in order to fill the city coffers. The fees from fines almost tripled and the city openly talked about using the police as a large revenue generator. Police would stop people for minor offenses and to meet the pressure to increase revenue started hitting people with multiple citations for minor offenses. They were stopping people with the intent of writing them citations. For the largely poor black population they couldn't afford these tickets and there were over 9,000 warrants issued for failure to pay. The Ferguson Police Jail turned into a virtual debtors prison.

II. Excessive Use of Force
Even using the officers own description of events officers habitually used excessive force. The report shows that cops didn't use force only in the case of protecting themselves, that a lot of time it was used in a retaliatory way towards anyone that showed "contempt of cop". Of course the instances of excessive force was used in much higher percentages against black communities. Excessive force included canines and tasers.

III. Lack of oversight
If you use force your supposed to file a "Use of Force" report that requires supervisor approval. Well...most of the Use of Force Reports were never viewed or signed by Supervisors and there is a lot of evidence suggesting that Use of Force reports weren't filled out in a lot of instances where it should of been. Police in Ferguson acted of their own volition without any consequences for their actions. That's dangerous...as mentioned earlier, the black community in Ferguson was the recipient of most of the Use of Force situations.

IV. "Contempt of Cop"
"Failure to Obey", "Failure to Comply", "manner of Walking" and "Resisting Arrest" where pretty much used by police if they didn't like the actions of people they were arresting or people around them. In fact, they were used multiple times on bystanders taping or calling a police officers supervisor as they used excessive force.

The article also mentions the "wanteds" system which even described in the police handbook is a blatant violation of the Fourth Amendment. They basically created warrants without any judicial oversight.

V. Racial Bias

There is more than enough evidence of racial bias...the article lists out some of the more damning statistics.

“People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices.”
*Adam Smith*

Re: Two Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station[W:263]

Originally Posted by iliveonramen

The issue in Ferguson isn't only white cops shooting black men. What's bizarre is I've seen you criticize the heavy handed tactics of cops but Ferguson is the poster boy of systematic abusive and excessive force.

In all my travels, by far, the most racist state I've ever had the pleasure of being in was missouri, joplin to be exact. but that's anecdotal.

I have no doubt this permeates into the police.

However, mike brown was a thug who just strong armed robbed a bodega, and got shot charging a cop. Race, in this specific incident had nothing to do with it and rallying behind mike brown, makes the pro-reform movement less respectable.

You should try to remember, ideas are conveyed by researching information, vetting sources, and confirming said information. Not by regurgitating talking points given to you by your "news" station.​Don't hate me 'cause I'm beautiful, but hate me all the more.

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In all my travels, by far, the most racist state I've ever had the pleasure of being in was missouri, joplin to be exact. but that's anecdotal.

I have no doubt this permeates into the police.

However, mike brown was a thug who just strong armed robbed a bodega, and got shot charging a cop. Race, in this specific incident had nothing to do with it and rallying behind mike brown, makes the pro-reform movement less respectable.

Mike Brown was a thug, the DOJ report supports that the use of force was justified, but it's pretty apparent by the other stuff in the DOJ report on why the people in Ferguson didn't trust the verdict or police/justice system in charge of making that verdict. The report also finds there are massive abuses by the Police while the City either directly benefited by that abuse or failed to provide any sort of oversight.

It's a pretty damning set of information and it's pretty easy to see why "hey guys, the shooting was justified" hasn't resulted in people going home and saying "back to business as usual".

“People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices.”
*Adam Smith*

Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

How in the world would you ever measure such a thing? What, blacks drivers in ferguson speed 50% more frequently than white drivers?

Gonna have a real hard time convincing me of this

There is very likely racial profiling going on in order to fund the police dept in ferguson, but it's like this nearby town where i knew to not go even 1 mph over the speed limit, and to avoid the town when possible. The cops there were notorious

Now the question is how is any of this worth the turmoil that has followed. Jesus, stop racial profiling drivers and stop rioting over dumb **** and that will solve the problems

Based on the updated information from The Conservative Treehouse,... The length of the street he is driving on, as well as the time between when the image was taken and the time the shots were fired it would suggest you were right.
I would have to say you are correct that the vehicle was not moving.

The above image was taken at 2:18:54 while the shots were fired 27 seconds later at 2:19:21.

Re: Two Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station[W:263]

Originally Posted by iliveonramen

Mike Brown was a thug, the DOJ report supports that the use of force was justified, but it's pretty apparent by the other stuff in the DOJ report on why the people in Ferguson didn't trust the verdict or police/justice system in charge of making that verdict. The report also finds there are massive abuses by the Police while the City either directly benefited by that abuse or failed to provide any sort of oversight.

It's a pretty damning set of information and it's pretty easy to see why "hey guys, the shooting was justified" hasn't resulted in people going home and saying "back to business as usual".

So, where does Wilson go to get his reputation back?

Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.
Alexis de Tocqueville