Flat Shaming

As we all know, the current social climate (in the western world at least) has for the last 3 - 5 years been quite preoccupied with the phenomenon of 'fat shaming'. It has been the cause of many controversies as of late and makes waves on several major news platforms. But this is not the "Fat Earth Society" after all...

So!

I'm just curious as to how often, if at all, anyone here is "Flat Shamed" in the real world for discussing flat earth ideas/theories? I personally have never been 'flat shamed' before but I'm kinda too nervous to talk about flat Earth with friends/colleagues in case I become a target for bullying. Does anyone have any experience with this (bullies included)?

I have spoken about flat earth to my family and most of my friends. My parents did not believe it at first, and it took a few months for them to realize I was on to something. I have not been bullied about it, but that may only be because of the way I conducted myself. If you just kick open a door and blurt at the top of your lungs, "Earth is flat" you may not be responded to very well.

I would guess it would be similar to this site. Except without the anonymity the internet provides it would be more likely people would just politely nod and listen and the ridicule will be behind the FE's back.

I do suggest for your career's sake I would leave your belief the Earth is flat to yourself at work or even hanging out with your co-workers after work.

I have been responsible for hiring, firing and promoting people. If I had a choice to promote or hire two candidates for a position of responsibility and one believed the Earth was flat and the other did not and everything else was equal I would not go with the FE.

This is simply because a belief in FE demonstrates a lack of critical thinking, unwillingness to adapt and change a plan when new information or evidence is presented, lack of research skills and the ability to discern between reliable and unreliable sources.

For positions involving direct or high supervision where there is no important decisions made I would not care if they believe the Earth is flat or not.

I have spoken about flat earth to my family and most of my friends. My parents did not believe it at first, and it took a few months for them to realize I was on to something. I have not been bullied about it, but that may only be because of the way I conducted myself. If you just kick open a door and blurt at the top of your lungs, "Earth is flat" you may not be responded to very well.

Good post.It's definitely a case of feed tit bits to get a overall feel for the feed back. From this point on it should be plain to see whether flat Earth conversations will be taken with at least some seriousness or basically not at all.

It's much harder to get anything across in the main because most people are not really interested in physical person to person chit chat, unless it's idle gossip that has a potential stirring of trouble.

I would guess it would be similar to this site. Except without the anonymity the internet provides it would be more likely people would just politely nod and listen and the ridicule will be behind the FE's back.

I do suggest for your career's sake I would leave your belief the Earth is flat to yourself at work or even hanging out with your co-workers after work.

I have been responsible for hiring, firing and promoting people. If I had a choice to promote or hire two candidates for a position of responsibility and one believed the Earth was flat and the other did not and everything else was equal I would not go with the FE.

This is simply because a belief in FE demonstrates a lack of critical thinking, unwillingness to adapt and change a plan when new information or evidence is presented, lack of research skills and the ability to discern between reliable and unreliable sources.

For positions involving direct or high supervision where there is no important decisions made I would not care if they believe the Earth is flat or not.

In bold is just plain wrong. It demonstrates the exact opposite to what you're saying.I'd hire any person that could think alternate to what was hammered into their heads, because those people have a much better chance of enhancing my business than someone who has a one track mind.

Although I'm a roundie, I was shamed when my wife walked in the room and found me browsing this forum. We nearly ended up in counselling.

Now I take the precaution of opening several tabs of internet filth - if my wife walks in I can quickly flick over to the horse porn and pretend I was merely masturbating, rather than posting on the FES.

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Although I'm a roundie, I was shamed when my wife walked in the room and found me browsing this forum. We nearly ended up in counselling.

Now I take the precaution of opening several tabs of internet filth - if my wife walks in I can quickly flick over to the horse porn and pretend I was merely masturbating, rather than posting on the FES.

I would guess it would be similar to this site. Except without the anonymity the internet provides it would be more likely people would just politely nod and listen and the ridicule will be behind the FE's back.

I do suggest for your career's sake I would leave your belief the Earth is flat to yourself at work or even hanging out with your co-workers after work.

I have been responsible for hiring, firing and promoting people. If I had a choice to promote or hire two candidates for a position of responsibility and one believed the Earth was flat and the other did not and everything else was equal I would not go with the FE.

This is simply because a belief in FE demonstrates a lack of critical thinking, unwillingness to adapt and change a plan when new information or evidence is presented, lack of research skills and the ability to discern between reliable and unreliable sources.

For positions involving direct or high supervision where there is no important decisions made I would not care if they believe the Earth is flat or not.

In bold is just plain wrong. It demonstrates the exact opposite to what you're saying.I'd hire any person that could think alternate to what was hammered into their heads, because those people have a much better chance of enhancing my business than someone who has a one track mind.

There is an example of you behaving exactly like the reasons I listed why I would likely not hire a FE for a position of responsibility in the,"Do you deny this man?" thread.

You think the struts holding the shuttle to the fuel tank do not look like they could handle the stress of launch on them. Simply because they look like they can not to you. No other evidence is needed for you.

When something very simple is pointed out that offers strong evidence they can you dismiss it. That evidence is the shuttle launched and was witnessed at varying distances by people living in Southern Florida. Some no further than 5 miles away.

Instead of accepting you could be wrong about the struts you continued to make objections. Which involves dismissing pictures, eye witness accounts and videos. You even questioned census data that said about 6 million people live in Southern Florida.

Admitting the struts could handle the loads put on them does not even mean saying the shuttle went to space. Just that the shuttle is capable of flying in the atmosphere. It still could launch and head to a secrete airfield somewhere.

Show me where you are being objective there, where you do not just dismiss any evidence suggesting you are wrong.

For a position where someone needs to evaluate information, make a decision, then make evaluations of that plan as it is ongoing and things develop and make changes when needed FE's demonstrate they may not be the best fit for that position. They demonstrate once they get an idea in their head they will remain stubbornly committed to it.

Although I'm a roundie, I was shamed when my wife walked in the room and found me browsing this forum. We nearly ended up in counselling.

Now I take the precaution of opening several tabs of internet filth - if my wife walks in I can quickly flick over to the horse porn and pretend I was merely masturbating, rather than posting on the FES.

There is an example of you behaving exactly like the reasons I listed why I would likely not hire a FE for a position of responsibility in the,"Do you deny this man?" thread.

I look at what I view as potential in a person, regardless of whether they collect stamps or paint model soldiers or even have alternative views to the mainstream norm.You reek of bias and are trained by severe indoctrination and utter peer pressure, to basically become the closed minded person you are right now.One day you might see things differently. I don't care whether you do or don't to be perfectly honest, but you owe it to yourself to actually question the powers that have FULL control over you.

You think the struts holding the shuttle to the fuel tank do not look like they could handle the stress of launch on them. Simply because they look like they can not to you. No other evidence is needed for you.

I don't think, I know but the trouble is I can't physically prove it to anyone, so as it stands, I know it's bullshit and you believe the sci-fi of it all as fact.

When something very simple is pointed out that offers strong evidence they can you dismiss it. That evidence is the shuttle launched and was witnessed at varying distances by people living in Southern Florida. Some no further than 5 miles away.

Instead of accepting you could be wrong about the struts you continued to make objections. Which involves dismissing pictures, eye witness accounts and videos. You even questioned census data that said about 6 million people live in Southern Florida.

There's no evidence that what I'm seeing is the thing that is portrayed to me. It could be a model for video or CGI or many things.I know what it isn't and it isn't a space shuttle with big numb fuel tanks.One day you might wake up.

Admitting the struts could handle the loads put on them does not even mean saying the shuttle went to space. Just that the shuttle is capable of flying in the atmosphere. It still could launch and head to a secrete airfield somewhere.

If those struts are holding a composite model up then I agree they could.If those struts are portrayed (which they are) as part of a space shuttle to orbit then the whole shebang is complete and utter crap.

For a position where someone needs to evaluate information, make a decision, then make evaluations of that plan as it is ongoing and things develop and make changes when needed FE's demonstrate they may not be the best fit for that position. They demonstrate once they get an idea in their head they will remain stubbornly committed to it.

It's through people like you that we are all easy targets for being filled with bullshit. People like you are the dream of those in charge of feeding out bullshit disguised as fillet steak.

Great title! A hilarious comparison. I proudly tell people I have joined the FES. (By which I mean this forum.) They either laugh or get very polite and quiet. When I tell them I am just involved because I find it interesting, the atmosphere gets a little more relaxed. If they are scientifically minded we often get into a discussion about FET and GET. I don't know what they would say if I continued to express a belief in FET.

I only found out about FET a few months ago. I had heard of it, but I thought it was just a spoof. I probably acted a little mocking but that is because I really thought we were just joking around. Now that I know more about it I find it interesting to discuss various ideas and why they would or wouldn't work. Ultimately I kind of like the free-thinking attitude I see in many FEers but I still think the earth is a globe for a whole host of reasons. The biggest problem I see is what is and isn't considered evidence. FEers, in general, just seem to dismiss any evidence which contradicts their theory with a wave of their hand. (Dismissing the eye-witness testimony of thousands of people who watched the shuttle launches in Florida, as well as all video footage, for example.)

Great title! A hilarious comparison. I proudly tell people I have joined the FES. (By which I mean this forum.) They either laugh or get very polite and quiet. When I tell them I am just involved because I find it interesting, the atmosphere gets a little more relaxed. If they are scientifically minded we often get into a discussion about FET and GET. I don't know what they would say if I continued to express a belief in FET.

I only found out about FET a few months ago. I had heard of it, but I thought it was just a spoof. I probably acted a little mocking but that is because I really thought we were just joking around. Now that I know more about it I find it interesting to discuss various ideas and why they would or wouldn't work. Ultimately I kind of like the free-thinking attitude I see in many FEers but I still think the earth is a globe for a whole host of reasons. The biggest problem I see is what is and isn't considered evidence. FEers, in general, just seem to dismiss any evidence which contradicts their theory with a wave of their hand. (Dismissing the eye-witness testimony of thousands of people who watched the shuttle launches in Florida, as well as all video footage, for example.)

But you do exactly the same hand waving or at best book and video waving, without knowing a physical proof.

Great title! A hilarious comparison. I proudly tell people I have joined the FES. (By which I mean this forum.) They either laugh or get very polite and quiet. When I tell them I am just involved because I find it interesting, the atmosphere gets a little more relaxed. If they are scientifically minded we often get into a discussion about FET and GET. I don't know what they would say if I continued to express a belief in FET.

I only found out about FET a few months ago. I had heard of it, but I thought it was just a spoof. I probably acted a little mocking but that is because I really thought we were just joking around. Now that I know more about it I find it interesting to discuss various ideas and why they would or wouldn't work. Ultimately I kind of like the free-thinking attitude I see in many FEers but I still think the earth is a globe for a whole host of reasons. The biggest problem I see is what is and isn't considered evidence. FEers, in general, just seem to dismiss any evidence which contradicts their theory with a wave of their hand. (Dismissing the eye-witness testimony of thousands of people who watched the shuttle launches in Florida, as well as all video footage, for example.)

But you do exactly the same hand waving or at best book and video waving, without knowing a physical proof.

I agree this does happen. The difference, in my mind, is the degree to which it happens. There doesn't appear to be any evidence you can provide that won't be promptly dismissed by your average FEer for almost any reason or even no reason at all. (ie. Thousands of people lied to cover up a fake shuttle launch and a bunch of video coverage that looked real but was actually fake was produced etc. etc.) Some GEers do this too. I may have myself at times. But your average GEer will usually explain why they don't find the evidence convincing and give reasons that aren't bizarre.

Nothing is absolute. We could just be creatures in some electronic game of some alien kid. So if there is no bizarre bar (a limit as to how bizarre I am willing get in order to maintain my view) I can find a reason to reject pretty much any evidence I like. This method allows me to believe what I want but it does not help me to discover the truth about our world.

But your average GEer will usually explain why they don't find the evidence convincing and give reasons that aren't bizarre.

Nothing is absolute. We could just be creatures in some electronic game of some alien kid. So if there is no bizarre bar (a limit as to how bizarre I am willing get in order to maintain my view) I can find a reason to reject pretty much any evidence I like. This method allows me to believe what I want but it does not help me to discover the truth about our world.

Good sir, I do believe that calling something bizarre is a matter of opinion. If you can find reason in absolutely any kind of evidence, something might be wrong with you.

But your average GEer will usually explain why they don't find the evidence convincing and give reasons that aren't bizarre.

Nothing is absolute. We could just be creatures in some electronic game of some alien kid. So if there is no bizarre bar (a limit as to how bizarre I am willing get in order to maintain my view) I can find a reason to reject pretty much any evidence I like. This method allows me to believe what I want but it does not help me to discover the truth about our world.

Good sir, I do believe that calling something bizarre is a matter of opinion. If you can find reason in absolutely any kind of evidence, something might be wrong with you.

I've never been "flat shamed". If someone is mocking me, at least they've the courtesy to do it behind my back. Like so many things in life, I can well imagine one's approach to the subject affects the outcomes greatly. If I zealously attempted to convert others, I suspect I would see different responses. Socratic questioning is by far the best teacher of yourself and others. It is a skill developed over a lifetime. Ask the right questions of yourself and others and allow everyone to come to their own conclusions or pursue their own questions. This world needs more doubt and less dogmatism. I've had many interesting conversations with all manor of folk, including a lively discussion with a very bright doctor in a planetarium at Lowell's Observatory. While neither of us made any apparent headway in changing the other's mind, he was gracious enough to admit that many things in the field are highly theoretical and inferred, not deduced. I hope he follows his unanswered questions as vigorously as I follow mine.

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"Never think you can turn over any old falsehood without a terrible squirming of the horrid little population that dwells under it." -O.W. Holmes "Truth forever on the scaffold, Wrong forever on the throne.."

I have been responsible for hiring, firing and promoting people. If I had a choice to promote or hire two candidates for a position of responsibility and one believed the Earth was flat and the other did not and everything else was equal I would not go with the FE.

I hired, fired and managed people in an industrial graphic design setting for a couple of decades. All else equal, I would have gone with a Flat Earth believer if I had known.

Although, I would ask candidates for the square root of 81. You would, (or might not), be surprised. 70% were flat out stumped.

I find your thought process, bizarre. Have you asked your elders about flat earth? You may be surprised that a good many older fellows believe the earth is flat...

Yes I have talked to my elders about a flat earth. They all laughed at me.

Maybe they were just laughing at you, not at the idea of a flat earth. Try hanging around the docks at a marina, there are plenty of old salts who know the earth is flat.

I am curious what marinas you have been hanging out in.

I have been living on a boat for about 15 years of my life and sailing for about 25.

I can tell you much of what people learn and successfully use when sailing does not support a belief in a Flat Earth.

Celestial navigation, ships and land appearing or disappearing from the top down, estimating ranges using the horizon, using great circle routes when crossing oceans, charts being accurate including south of the equator

I imagine you can find people who do not go too far from shore and did not bother learning and using any other navigation techniques besides turning on their GPS might be FE believers.

How about finding anyone responsible for navigating a ship across an ocean if it is flat or not. Maybe someone who was in the Navy who was trained and responsibilities included being a lookout and needed to estimate ranges.

This search will be geared towards finding forums where members who you claim are more likely to believe the Earth is flat will be. Since you said people who go beyond just learning to turn on their GPS are the ones who would be more likely to know the Earth is flat.

Would you rather admit your claim that you may be wrong about this:

"I imagine you can find people who do not go too far from shore and did not bother learning and using any other navigation techniques besides turning on their GPS might be FE believers."

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Lol Its funny because the exact opposite is true.

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Try hanging around the docks at a marina, there are plenty of old salts who know the earth is flat.

I came up with a method to gather evidence. Do you have a better one to back up your claim?