Six of the nine planets have satellites (moons) with the maximum of 12 for Jupiter. Since our moon is the nearest heavenly body let us know an important thing about it in the Qur’anic context. God says at the very first verse of Suratul Qamar (moon) in QURAN :

The hour drew near and the moon was split.

Even though moon appears smooth and beautiful to the naked eye telescopic photographs tell us its surface is in fact rugged and full of meteoric and volcanic craters of all sizes. The American Apollo mission of 1967 obtained a couple of remarkable photographs of the hidden side of the moon. They show a strange feature, a 240 km long cleavage 8 km wide. The edges appear to be result of striking with a huge weapon rather than a crack of geological origin. To this day no explanation has been offered. An article appeared in Islamic Voice a decade ago along with the photographs suggesting that the feature is the remnant of splitting of the moon by Prophet (Pbuh).

Authentic hadeeth accounts testify that two years before Hijrat (in 617 CE) in the fullmoon night of Rajab, Abu Jahl et al challenged Prophet (Pbuh) to split the moon in proof of his prophethood. He pointed his finger at the moon and moved it and the moon split in two. It remained so till it set. It was seen in the entire Arab land and elsewhere as far as Syria.

It was also seen by two rulers in India, namely Bhoj of Malwa Kingdom and Zamorin Perumal of Kerala. Both of them investigated the phenomenon and traced it to the promised last ‘avtar’ to be born in Arabia. They identified him with last Messenger (sal), the last prophet of God, got in touch with him and accepted Islam!

And (even) if they behold a portent (such as this, still) they turn away and say: ‘Prolonged (illusion)!’ (Thus) They denied (the truth)....... ( Qamar: 2,3 ).

Veracity of Shakkul Qamar has been estalblished by authentic hadeeth and God himself has vouched for it in Sura Qamar. Now, verification has arrived through science. Yet, it is painful to note, that a section of muslims preach and write to dismiss one of the greatest of mu’jizas as merely an “illusion due to atmospheric disturbance, even though it persisted for a whole night”. This is precisely as the Meccan mushriks did and exactly as recorded by God in Qur’an. These people should note that their rejection amounts to heresy, imperilling their very Iman . Read again how Allah judges their this action at several instances in Qur’an : “They denied the manifest truth.” In short they must realize that while the Meccan mushriks denied a Prophet, these people of shameful doubt falsify Allah Himself !

Do you actually know that the human imagination is so big that it even helps boosting the intellect dramatically?

Do you know that ,"Moon Split" is not only in the Koran?... the Moon split has been an event in many old time stories ,so that wouldn't surprise me.

And since that it was proved that Adam and Eve never existed .

And ironically enough, there was in old Hindu religions, TWO THOUSAND YEARS BEFORE JESUS, there was a God who was born of a virgin ,baptized at a river, and could heal people, and yeah ,he was also murdered and raised out the dead in 3 days, Exactly!

That God is still being worshiped by some people, and he came 2000 years before Jesus.

So basically that denies both Christianity and Islam.

P.S: I am not making shit out, he was worshiped before the coming of Jesus in India.

First of all you should know how to present islam. Secondly, you should get a solid insight of what is corect and what is wrong. Although NASA might keep some secrets dues to plitical agendas it is still not in your favour, simply because you can not prove it. As a matter of fact, this kind of discussion needs evidence(s).

Let me try to clear out somethings both for the muslims and the non-muslims. I apologize for my bad english spelling as english is not my mother tongue.

1. The way western people look at science has its own spectacular history and background. During the era of enlightment in the early european ages, people realized that method of scientific thinking is in fact very effective contra the old school thinking where emotions and feelings was put first and foremost. Thus the way of philosophy went from Geocentric to Heliocentric. The people got more aware of the use of scientific studies.

Shortly after Europe got its breakthrough with "industrialization" into the modern world. This is a major break through for the mankind. However, one must have in mind that the western world's technological/cultural advancement happende with the help of the islamic world who contributed with massive translations of their current history from which democracy arose as well as technological advancement such as algebra, the very scientific method of thinking etc. Check Al-Hitham in the Book of Optics. It was he who used/and mapped the scientific method of thinking, thus he is still a muslim. Why do I inform this? Only to show that believers are not necessarily a bunch of fools distant from anything rational. The massive litterature came from Bait Ul-Hikma or better know as The House of Wisdom during the times of caliphate.

However the intorduction of science led the european people astray in some fields and advancement in other fields. The scientific method, if you look at it and the way it is mapped, you quickly discover that the method is used in context with study of materia. And is not in any relation to the study of "existence of God" nor human psycology (known in the western world as Freud) which in turn they call for "Pseudo Science". Simply because the way science deduce things can never be 100% sound, only relatively close to the truth as we have seen various and numerous examples where the science failed in its own conclusion over time.

So using science in field where it is not to be applicated leads to astray and gives you a false feeling of "well enlighted". Unfortunately many muslims falled into this category where they strive to prove the god's existence through science.

Since the collapse of the caliphjate in 1923, the muslims have never felt a stronger urge to "live up" to hte westerns expectation regarding prooving them self right through the "systems of the western's way of thinking" aka. Scientific method. Now bear in mind the mastermind who mapped the scientific method of thinking never claim that the method cna be used to determine rahter if God exist or not, but only used it within its respective field, namely "the study of materia". One of the traditional scientific schoolars' first criteria in the scientific method is "a tangible matter". If the matter is not tangible, science can simply not deal with it, thus falling into the category of "pseudo science".

So prooving God's existene via the science is a disaster as the only thing you can proove, even if you are right you still admit according to the rules of scientific method of thinking that the facts is only true "for now".

2. So what kind of thinking should one use to know something is absolutely true? If you take a closer look you will discover the intellectual method of thinking is the way of thinking in such issues regarding god OR conclusion if a matter exist or not. There is no need to use(can not use) scientific methods/back ups in such field. The intellectual method of thinking is in fact the foundation whic the scientific method of thinking is built upon. As if you do not posses the intellectual thinking method one will not be able to use/taking benefits of the scientific thinking method.

Intellectual Thinking Method is...

1. Tangible and untangible reality(untangible forexample gravity)

2. One of the senses

3. Previous information(s)

4. Brain to bind all the 3 criteria together.

This simply, yet very strong of method is used everyday and only this can give you a 100% absolute conclusion whenever you want to conclude or exclude rather something exist or not.

NOTE: Concluding the reality and concluding the essence is not the same. The intellectual method of thinking is only limited to concluding of existence of a given reality and to a certain degree a bit of its essence.

With this one have to know if God(The Master Cause) exist, it must be prooved from our rational thinking. This means the mankind with an intellect must be able to recognize what is true and what is false in an instance without the tool of advance equipments and somethimes waiting for centuries for that technology to arrive. No, mankind must recognize with the help of his rational thinking.

So when is a evidence good enough to satisfy the human's intellect? Take a look around you, quickly you will realize that everything has their own materialistic property. These property can be defined as laws of physics. The laws of physic, meaning the way materia behaves in order rahter it is a man, animal, planet's rotation, water's boiling point etc. is not a part of the material but rather a forced system upon it. How do we know that? Well from the intellectual thinking method we see that no material can go beyond the laws of physics as these physics are defined and fixed in its nature. We nor the entire mankind have ever witnessed the materia selecting their own way of movement or property. This means this system is not a part of the material but rahter a forced phenomenon from a third party. The communism, dialectic materialism discuss this in depth! And they never manged to get around the fact that the materia is subjectd to a system that they can not break beyond. Thus giving them a problem arguing there is no "first cause" or bette known as "God". And they the old school communism is indeed hard core atheist, more than all you people together! And they could not defy the argues put by the rational thinking method. Because from this method the only conclusion you get, which is not bassed upon unverified theories, is there must be a first cause behind all this as nothing happens "just like that" without a cause.

So whom ever claims to be a messenger from God aka The master cause will necessarily be equipped with the ability to lift the laws of physics in order to satisfy the mankind. Which is why we find it amazing when someone showa us a trick of illusion! Why? Because it is contradicting our basic instincts and the way we see the world. Simply because every(sane person) know lifting of physic laws is indeed impossible. So the ultimate proove must be in the lifting og these laws in the message and not through the scientific method of thinking.

From a historical point of view, all the tellings of the prophets amazing "miracles" points only in one way and that is all their "trick" was beyond what we can imagine, lifting of physic laws. As if the Master Cause really exist, then this mater cause must be the only factor who has the ability to alter it!

So the question is, does the religion's sacred messages have any of this "mind satisfying" proove?

The answer is yes, and unfortunately, due to political agenda(refering to the agreements western countries made during around the beginning of 1900) islam and all its source/knowledge has been put "behind the curtain".

Last...the lifting of physic in islam is the very book. Not the spliting of moon nor the other "minor miracles". But in fact in THE BOOK. The book is writen in such a way that it is completely impossible to modify. And this means technically we do not care if a man wrote it down or not, but there was a third party intervention who is the real master mind, call it what you want, but the fact the book (Quran) has a unique composition is impossible to dodge. The composition is made in such a way that the book challenges the entire human kind to only produce one chapter equal to its quality and in the same level. This is still standing even after more than 1300 years. Simply because if you know how the arabic language is put together you see the lifting of physics in the textural content which is still standing today and attempted to be proved wrong 24/7, forexample in the Oxford University, England.

From the believers point of view we call the master of cause for Allah(swt)

From the experts among atheists' point of view they call it "a product from a higher being, but definately not from human".

Show a flying man to a child without understanding of the laws of physics and amuzement is only limited.

Show a flying man to a old man, the amuzement will stay in him to he dies.

Study the composition of Quran and you will know, as no other devine books, source, scripture etc. ever claimed this before.

And for those saying Quran is like another Harry Potter truely deserve no attention nor worht of discussing as that is one of the greatest proof of "lack of knowledge of your enemy".

I asked him last nite and guess what he told me? He said,"My child, I have given you some noodle like stuff inside ur skull so that you dont behave like sheep and dumbly follow a herd. use ur noodles, think for urself and choose what appeals to your common sense. also, understand that you are not a better person jus coz you believe in some p'ticular faith, and proselytising at every drop of a hat (and dropping that hat yourself) is sooo uncool..."

and then suddenly there was these blinking lights and an alarm along with which came an announcement.

Sorry guys, got something that cannot be overridden by 'hundreds of sites, thousands of books or millions of people' unless it appeals to my common sense. Its called a mind. Any ideas on what I should do abt it?

Platao36 - god only can judge all, because he only created all creatures.

I am you and you are me- well said i have to feel as the opponent if i am in his position then the same incident happens to me then what i will think and how i will act. here i am you comes so allways think about others right and respect others feelings. Wooo w fantastic. you are me.

you also have the same feeling of mine, eat ,sleep, blood colour, hearing ability, productivity....... . wow you are me.

If you suffer i suffer.

If you are working in my company, when i see you are suffering to do some work , then i have to help you to relive from your pain/stress, or otherwise the same impact also will come to me when i suffer.

Prince: Let me correct you, Tetchens killed several children and adults when they attackecked a school and made everybody hostage about 3 years ago.

Regarding Iraq, there was a tactic called human shields, just like Hamas did on last campaign against Israel.

Brother Coelecanth: Nice to see you around :) The main problem with most part of my muslim brothers/sisters is that they keep ignoring Allah's message saying that if there are any doubts concerning His revelations to Mohammed (pbuh), than make a sunnah similar to the profet's ones (Qur'an), and present your witnesses independent from Allah, if we are right. (Al-Bacara-23)

I understand that they feal confused about Deism, because, like Atheism, it isn't a religion but a philosophy, you can be a Christan or Muslim or jew and still be a Deist the best proof you have about this is that you wont find in any of the revelation books a line saying that those books contain all the knowledge and that you can't reason about Allah's words :) I'll make another post about Islam and reasoning where we can all discuss this matter on a civilized way :)

As a Catholic I am 'supposed' to believe that Jesus fed a crowd of people with fishes and loaves of bread. As a Catholic I am 'supposed' to believe that he also walked on water and rose from the dead.

If I was talking to a Priest, I would not say 'what rubbish', however in private I would, because we now know through science etc those thngs are NOT achievable.

You have to remember when these miracles took place, thousands of years ago. Most of those people who followed him a round were 'simple' farmers (some were not), however, what else did they have in life?

They wanted to believe and they did and they wrote it down and passed it on. These are the thoughts and words of one man. He, like Mohammed PBUH, told them/us this is the word of god. Has anybody ever proven their is a god??? No............but what we do have is faith. Faith there is one and faith that he is the all powerful and is there to guide to us. We pray to god, we thank Jesus/Mohammed for passing on his word. If to spread that word 'magic' for want of a better word was used as a visual aid to get across that message then who are we to pop that bubble of faith.

It does not matter, if I or anybody else thinks it's rubbish, they don't. Some people may have 'blind' faith but let them have it. Most of us know the look of horror on childrens faces when they find out their is no Father Christmas. Terrible feeling isn't it when something you ardently believe in is taken away from you?

I don't believe that the moon was split in two. This person did.

As for the other matter. People have always fought for a cause they believe in. Some do it in a peaceful way some prefer to fight. Was Hitler a terrorist or a despot? Was Saddam Hussein a despot or a terroist?? We could go on and on.

The Irish Republican Army brought great shame to the Catholic Religion, funded by both America and The Vatican. It has taken Catholics years to recover from it. A lot of Muslims (I think) are ashamed of the actions of a few, they bring shame on a lovely religion.

You ask an Irish Catholic if the IRA were wrong in their anger and bitterness towards the British and they will say NO. What most did not like was that it deteriated into terroism and slurried a name and a country.

Sweet mother of all sour curds WTF is all this? Muhammad split the moon, Jesus fed 5000 people with 2 loafs of bread and 3 pieces of fish..believe whatever the hell you want to believe but none of you can deny the fact that Rudolf guided Santa Clause with his bright red nose!! I have tons of gifts at home to prove it, how else would Santa make it in time all those Christmases ago? huh huh answer me damn it!!!

Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)

Prince: I do understand your point about desperate individuals being driven to acts of violence and being branded as terrorists. But, the issue is, blowing themselves up in public places (or wherever else) is not gonna help them get anything (peace or homeland). Not in another thousand years. if anything, it will only give their oppressors more reasons for escalation.(as if they need any)

How many of the palestinian (political)groups do you think, sincerely want this conflict to end and live peacefully? The conflict is what fuels their cause and existence.

Unless their Arab brethren show some unity amongst themselves, unless the palestinians bring about amongst themselves what they ask from the world, nothing's gonna change. Face the harsh reality- nobody really cares except for their own mileage, its upto the ones involved to straighten out. and I guess its better that way, coz the sense of entitlement that has arose out of a precedence of international interventions has only suppressed a much needed introspection amongst themselves.

Well I think before 9/11 terrorism was seen as a tactic used by guerilla groups. Gureilla groups, like government military used terror tactics as part of it's general arsenal, so yes I would agree with for:

1 & 2, however I'm pretty sure Chechen's did target civilians, and in regards to number 4 I didn't realize coffee shops were considered military sites.

:P

The post 9/11 thing is that there are no groups that souly work in terrorism, not just terrorism as one tactic amongst dozens. Al Qaeda for example is purely a terrorist organization.

in islam, when u believe in word of god, u believe in every word, and it is clear from quran that prophet muhammed is the seal of the prophet and that there will be no more prophets,so now if any person come claiming he is a prophet we will not believe, we only believe that prophet jesus will come back, and we also know the situation in which he will come, so there is not going to be any confusion with regards to it..

none of our prophets never took money from any

one, and if anyone gave them money they always spent it on the way of Allah, our prophet muhammed himself led a very very simple life, he hated the luxuries of this life, he lived all his life poor and died also poor,

its not that he cdnt be rich, but that he never wanted to be,

the prophets had to endure difficulties to spread the word of Allah, and had to face many hardships, and they did all this on command of Allah , expecting a reward in hereafter,

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i want to learn until i die, if u have some knowledge then share with me.

ishquia...If GOD sent a messenger to people during his time, why wouldn't God send another messenger in our time? Is it because it was written that he is the last one? And believeing in SOMEONE whom he claims he is, is the same as being BLIND. Will you invest all your money on somebody claiming that he was a messenger of God and you need to give all your belongings to that messenger? What i am asking is, you have heard a lot of people USING GOD's NAME IN VAIN, is there any reaction from you? You HEARD ONE PERSON SPEAK ABOUT THE PROPHET's NAME IN VAIN, ALL WENT BERSERK FOR THAT PERSON. Tell me, am i BLIND in recognizing this?

the_prince...is it only about Israel? What about Iraq? Afghanistan? Is OSAMA bin Laden a Terrorist? For the Talibans, OSAMA is acting according to the teachings of your book, but your SCHOLARS are condemning it. Do they have the same book as you do? Tell me now that it's all about media... BROADEN your HORIZON, Israel is not an issue, but those doing an ACT of Terrorism, using your book as a HOLY EXCUSE.

It's not because things are difficult that we don't dare, it's because we don't dare that makes things difficult!

I'm simply arguing terminology, not the politics, I'm a stickler for the proper terminology. If they commit suicide in the act of taking out their enemies it's a sucide bombing, plane crash, what have you, and those are called terror tactics or terrorism. The Americans used it during the Revolution, the Japanese in WWII and the Vietnamese during the Vietnam war, Castro & Guevera in Cuba, plus countless others. It's a pretty commonplace tactic actually, especially during guerilla warfare, which, while not 100% accurate, is the closest description we have of the Israel/Palestine conflict.

... lets see this matter this way: Moon split in half is not just a matter of phenomenon that needs scientific evidances or witnesses.

It concern on someone's faith and believe. If someone decides to believe it base on his faith or believe or not to believe base on certain things, at the end, no one will gets hurt because of it.

There are many things in this world that actually do not need to be proven (Moses and the Red Sea Crossing; Death and resurrection of Jesus; )but actually people has already believe it happen or exist.

in islam ,wen God ask us to believe in him, he also asks us to believe in his prophets, his books , his angels, and the day of judgement,

by prophet it means not only in them but also their teachings, by book it means the message contained in them which is the word of god,

so if you believe in god , you have to believe in what he asks you to believe,

why we believe in prophet muhammed, there are several reasons, we r not just blindly believing , if god wanted us to blindly believe , he woudnt given us the capability of reasoning,

firstly , our prophet attained prophecy at the age of 40 , so his life until he reached 40 is a reason to believe in him,

secondly, who were the first people to believe in him?, his wife, his best friend, his adopted son, etc these were the people who knew him well, and readily believed in him when he said this is a message from god,

now dont tell , this was a group effort for misleading people, because no person would go against an existing community, and take all the hardships which our prophet and his followers had to take just for a lie,

the_prince...i believe you have a very poor understanding of Deism. Deism doesn't have a dogma, nor a book to follow and base our salvation. We do not base our belief on a man born hundred of decades back to decide what our eternity would be. That is called REASONING, and every Deist reason for everything, that's why we argue. We are not divided in belief that there is only ONE GOD and disbelief in Religion made by man. That is our common ground. you can ask any Deist you know if the two i mentioned earlier differs with them.

Whereas Christians and Muslims only share one book, but they differ in their interpretaion of the book. The Muslims who are doing the suicide bombing has another interpretation of the SAME book as the people who promotes Islam as peace. The christians are divided into different belief, where you can see Catholics who believe that Jesus is God, Born Again christians who are again divided to different areas, where you can see a trinitarian, full gospel, etc...etc... It is human nature to reason out...and the thought that among your denomination you reason out and creates division, i don't think it's what God planned for us.

Research more about Deism. It's simple as it may seem. Believe that there is ONLY ONE GOD, and he did not send ANYONE to proclaim his RELIGION, neither are the prophets (Jesus and Mohamad) claiming that they were sent by GOD TO CREATE RELIGION...they were sent to BECOME EXAMPLES in FAITH and Belief. If anyone can point to your book with the prophets saying they were sent to create a RELIGION, i would be more than interested.

True essence of religion is of God, not the prophet. You will kill for your prophet, but not for God. You hear everyone speaking of God's name in VAIN, but you do nothing. You hear someone using the prophet's name in VAIN, you go berserk. Is your religion FOR GOD or FOR THE PROPHET?

It's not because things are difficult that we don't dare, it's because we don't dare that makes things difficult!

ashwin...you believed that a man was sent by God because it was written...what was hard to believe that i "might be" one of them? and for the record...i am not an atheist, but a DEIST...a believer on the existence of God, but not of the religion presented by men. Besides, there was NONE written on ANY religious books that the prophets presented a NEW RELIGION. They presented a teaching and a way of life, and the followers decided to create a POLITICAL STAND on faith.

The only thing that the prophets teach is BELIEVE IN GOD and do not do unto others what you don't want others do unto you. They never mentioned anything about Christianity or Islam (i'm talking about the religion, and not the meaning of Islam). From your religious stand point, you create division among yourselves. Christians divided among christians because the INTERPRET the book differently, same applies to Muslim, where there was division. I don't think GOD wants division among believers, or does he? Then why can't you just scrap your political stand on your so-called "belief" and start believing in God, and not in the prophet and the religion created by their followers?

It's not because things are difficult that we don't dare, it's because we don't dare that makes things difficult!

Ha! Another argument about religion... presenting "FACTS" to prove it to be correct, but once questioned and presented with "REAL FACTS", they then become hostile.

Winn...that would be the BEST ANSWER that i've read so far. 2 kings SAW that the moon was split by the prophet thru TIME TRAVEL...or they just HEARD from other people, so as the person who wrote the book?

Just like the creation of human race from one person, doesn't prove ANY REASONING or whatsoever...it's believed because "IT WAS WRITTEN".

What if i told you i was sent by God to tell everyone that Religion is nothing but politics...would you believe me? If not, why believe the person whom you never met, and was only portrayed in books?

If you present a fact to support your claim of a miracle, make sure it comes from a credible source, not from YOUTUBE or GEOCITIES...use EBAY!

It's not because things are difficult that we don't dare, it's because we don't dare that makes things difficult!

Azam - none of us are trying to stop people from worshipping. All that's happened on this thread is that we've pointed out that the information about NASA was false, and we've discussed the issue of Muslims constantly trying to prove things about their religion.

Just because people question and debate things doesn't mean they want you to stop worshipping.

LOL, Azam, I wasnt upset, I was trying to pacify people who seemed to be upset and indignant.

Prince: I have been given the links of umpteen Islamic sites by various people who wanted to win me over to their faith. Problem is that when I go back to them and ask why something is said in a particular way, all I get is 'just so' type of answers to simple logical questions.

I mean, if I wanted a 'just-coz-its-written-in-the-book' answer, I'd rather read fairy tales.

As for anti-islamic sites, do tell me if you know any that give a balanced view. I would defenitely go through (in my own time) and get back to you.

Azam: "But keep posting the stuff like this for us to tax our minds answering you, right winn? "

stuff like what? Facts that I posted earlier against this completely incompetent hoax of a propoganda, so riddled with holes that a simple google search can expose it? You come up with such ridiculous stories and expect people to swallow it jus like that?

Btw, if it taxes your mind, good for you! :-)

As for how I have been fairing here, been here for over a year and been good.

"the poster has not started a quarrel between you and muslims here."- Who said I was quarelling here? and when did posting simple facts with proper references become 'quarrel' to you?

Gypsy: Harry potter is indeed a miracle. No one has been able to write a book like that ever since it was written. No one will be able to no matter how much they try. Also, not a word has been changed from its first edition onwards. Do you need any further proof to accept it as a miracle? :-p

Really, there is no need for all this commotion. If you think you NEED a reason to believe, look within. You wont find that reason outside you, least of all in science. Faith is a matter of heart. Why tax your brains, when you know its an exercise in futility?

and for those who are upset that NASA doesnt prove their point of view, why do you need an evil machinery from the 'big bad west' to prove your God's word? If you had faith, you wouldnt have been looking for proof in the first place. Let the very fact that it has been said in your Holy Quran be your proof!

BUT,

Please do not insist that someone who doesnt believe in Quran should also accept it as a proof! As I always say,

It is not that one you believe gives something out of the blue.... Look closely.. it is something you always knew... but you accept it .. and it enters deep down... when it is from a person whom you trust...

PM: Since i came to QL and met you, amoud and some other racional muslims that i leurned that Islam also asks us to reason about what we don't know and not just to follow it blindly, once again, thanks for that article.

Popcorn: wise words, :) God/Allah tought us the basics, than left up to us to devellope knowledge, so he created us able to reason using the clues he left written to us. :)

We muslims believe that there is only one god, and that this is our temporary life , in which god is testing us, and that after our death we have to face god and either one will go to heaven or hell , and in this life we have to believe in Allah and do righteous deeds,

apart from this we also have the responsibility of dawah , that is to call others to islam and atleast inform them about our religion,

when a muslim comes about telling people about islam, and not just keeping with his belief , he is just doing his duty,

we cannot make anyone believe, if u want u accept , if u deny then go ur way, there is no forcing in islam, islam is peace.

our duty is only to convey the message ,

if one is sincere in finding the truth , he will find it.

any ways there will come one day , we will all know what is the truth, and that is the day or our death,

well according to islamic history.. it was a full moon night , and it was split in two by Allah when people asked prophet to show some miracle as a proof of his prophecy, and it was clearly split in two and just by a small distance but it went as far that people could see a mountain inbetween, and it stayed like that for some time, and then it went back together,

people who saw it said that this was nothing but magic, so some one wise from them said , if this was magic then magic will be only on people who were present then , so lets wait for the travellers.. if this actually happened then it will be seen by the travellers,

when the travellers came they affirmed that they saw the moon split, after this many people believed , and many people didnt ..

the science may not have proved this fact yet,

but for a muslim it is a fact,

n another of your long post you said that muslim are contradicting the quran by saying prophet performed the miracles,

though we say prophet performed a miracle , what we mean is that it was performed through him by Allah , and he could not do anything of his own,

even when we say jesus performed miracles , we mean that it was done through his by Allah, and he himself did not have any such powers, and to this fact all prophets say the same that they are mortal human beings who have no power of their own and whatevr extra ordinary things they performed were by the will of Allah,

I don't know if this person has posted something like this before. So can't say if he causes 'trouble' or not.

To give them the benefit of the doubt he may believe it and so be it.

The trouble now with all these 'religious claims; is that science has moved on so much and with the internet and therefore a sharing of knowledge people don't believe as easily as we used too.

Take the Shroud of Turin. My mother has always believed in it. Even when, I think 20 years ago it was 'proven' not to be real. I have read somewhere recently through DNA and other scientific research they now think it is real.

Interesting to see how that turns out. In my limited understanding people cling to ideaology and try and make it true.

It's not a problem at all to most people it makes for cracking debate. However, if you post something like that especially on here you have to accept that somewhere down the line the proverbial shit will hit that fan.

I was amused by it really. Not in a 'lets get at Muslims', it seemed to far out for me.

Especially as reading about the splitting of the moon; it was all about Mohammed PBUH, being in a secluded spot with a few people and pointing at the moon with his finger and drawing a 'mythical/magical' line on it. Although 'allegedly' the night was a cloudy one. So the Moon not that clear. The people there truly believed he had split the moon. As it was, they saw the half moon as we all know now one half is black (night) the other light (day). These people who trusted and believed were not stupid people they were in awe of a great person.

Popcorngirl: Please don't generalize, not all muslims are fond of distorcing facts to attribute them to Mohammed (pbuh), normally it's the scholars that fill up my muslim brothers/sisters heads with false concepts and events so that they don't need to think.

As a muslim, it offends me that some people decrease Allah's knowledge by accepting that His wizdom would be so litle that could be contained in a small amount of books.

Allah created us as racional beings for a reason, if He wanted us to follow him blindly without questioning Him, he wouldn't need us to be racional, we would be like the other live beings, inteligents but not racionals

Why ever defend a false proof? IF it is false, then it is! I've seen a case of some Arab atheists planning to forge a false proof of Islam, distribute it, and then later attacking how "ignorant Muslims" use false evidence.

Dear non-Muslims:

Try to be as objective as Winn is, or just ignore the post.

All:

Pls, respect each others' believes, as it is NEVER a funny subject. We want to understand your point of view, just don't mock others beliefs. It never helps. It makes things worse.

As a Muslim, I get all these kind of false emails. I do my homework to see whether it is true or false, but my belief remains intact because it is independent on them.

I came across these definitions in google. There's no relation for its accuracy but for our contibution as part of the topics in this thread :-

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The study of the origins and development of the Qur’an can be said to fall into two major schools of thought, the first being a traditionalist view and the later being a non-traditionalist view.[citation needed]

The traditionalist view, which relies on the early Islamic literature as authentic or reliable, ascribes to the view that the Qur'an began with Muhammad's claims of divine revelations in 610 AD. Most of these revelations were either memorised or obscurely written down during the lifetime of Muhammad. These revelations were subsequently collected and were standardised in today's version by the caliph Uthman c. 653/654 AD. The text was later given vowel pointing and punctuation in the seventh and eighth centuries.[1]

The non-traditionalist view covers a variety of schools of thought generally anathematised by Muslim academia[2]. Their view generally treats the early Muslim traditions, which arose over a century post-hoc[3], with scepticism and evaluates the claim of the Qur'an as a text on the basis of higher critical analysis, independent evidence and source hypotheses.....Unquote"

well i am not insulting any one here .........i am calling it straight tat posting topics n people with no or little knowledge abt it discussing it in a way putting down the respect of the same is also insulting.................i hope u got my point

its just i said idi____ n nothing much. then wat do u have to say to those who are simply talking nonsence abt islam n v happily participating in the same arguments wen its wrong to argue. I hv often seen people using censor and filthy words on QL. All i want to say is dont post such topics tat can make muslims get hurt or even irritated n may be even angry .........as i really cant take things against islam

There is no evidence (in the scientific sense) that the moon was ever split in to.

NASA has never said such a thing.

NASA have taken photos of, and studied, the Rima Ariadaeus, which is a 300km long linear rille on the far side of the moon. It is believed to have been formed when a section of the Moon's crust sank down between two parallel fault lines (making it a graben or fault trough).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rima_Ariadaeus

Given that the entire circumfrence of the moon is over 10,000km, and this rift is just 300km, I fail to see how it is undisputable evidence that the moon was split in half. Surely if that was the case, visible evidence would exist on the visible side of the moon as well?

nuhy its very sad to say such topics y u want to put out ...cmon yaar people are making fun of Quraan & Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) .........if u r doing the dawah work its different but getting into arguments or getting stupid answer on QL is not a good dicscussion.....U need not prove Islam for idiots who cant understand

The main problem is that it contradicts the Quran itself. In various places Muhammad admitted that he could not have or did not have to perform miracles to prove himself. When asked to perform miracles his response was:

Glory be to my Lord; am I aught but a mortal messenger?

Qur'an 17:93

In another place Muhammad put the following words in the mouth of Allah:

And those who disbelieve say: Why has not a sign been sent down upon him from his Lord? You are only a warner.

Qur'an 13:7

Muhammad insisted that even though other prophets had miracles, his only miracle is the Quran. So when Muslims claim that Muhammad performed miracles, they are going against the Quran itself. (See the article Muhammad's Miracles?)

The other problem with this claim is that such a phenomenon should have been observed not just in Mecca but also all over the world. Many cultures have recorded even eclipses, why there is no mention of such a thing that for sure would have been the most amazing phenomenon?

Moiz Amjad, one scholar that answers questions for Understanding-Islam.com site says, “I have not yet come across any historical accounts of other nations, which refer to the incident.” He thinks this is “a sign of the promised hour.”

Curiously the same site contradicts itself and claims that in fact a certain king of India observed the splitting of the Moon and he sent his son to Mecca who converted to Islam and upon returning he died in Yemen.

This story is of course another fabrication of Muslims. Muslims are fond of fabricating stories to attribute Miracles to their prophet. They do it all the time. One such ridiculous fabrication was the claim that the astronauts who landed on Moon heard the adhan (Muslim call to prayer) being chanted there. There are thousands more.

First of all there is no record that any King of India ever visited Muhammad. This is not mentioned in any biography of Muhammad.

Secondly the splitting of the Moon should have been observed by everyone all over the world and not just by one king. Where is the record of such a phenomenon?

Thirdly, assuming that this Indian king saw splitting of the Moon, how could he interpret this alleged cosmic phenomenon as the sign that there has appeared a new prophet in Mecca? Muslims claim that Indian scriptures contain predictions about the coming of a messenger from Arabia. This is bull. There is no mention of Muhammad in any sacred book of any religion.

Many Muslims are convinced that this phenomenon has indeed happened. They are shown these close-up pictures of the Moon taken by NASA as the evidence and as gullible as they naturally are, they believe without any hesitation.

These are called Lunar Rilles. Rilles are long and deep gorges resembling canyons. A rille is typically several kilometers wide and hundreds of kilometers in length. Similar formations are found on a number of planets in the solar system, including Mars, Venus, and on a number of moons. See below.

How these rilles are formed is still not known with certainty. Theories include erosion at some point in the stellar body's history, collapsed lava tubes, and tectonic activity/stresses.

There are three types of rilles on the lunar surface:

Sinuous rilles meander in a curved path like a river, and are commonly thought to be the remains of collapsed lava tubes or extinct lava flows. They usually begin at an extinct volcano, then meander and sometimes split as they are followed across the surface.

Arcuate rilles have a smooth curve and are found on the edges of the dark lunar maria. They are believed to form when the lava flows that created a mare cools, contracts, and sinks.

Straight rilles follow long, linear paths and are believed to be grabens. That is, a section of the crust that has sunk between two parallel faults. These can be readily identified when they pass through craters or mountain ranges.

Rilles can be found all over the lunar surface and they do not form a belt and therefore do not in anyway support the claim of Muslims that the Moon had been split asunder. Here are a few pictures that should dismiss this Islamic wishful thinking. To understand how rilles scar the surface of the Moon, we have to take a look at pictures showing the moon from farther up.

I don't understand why people continue to put up false statements and false "scientific proof" and then get offended when people point out that it's false. If you don't want to hear that what you believe might not be true don't post it on a public forum.

David Mosa Pidcook (leader on British Muslim Party) said: It was shown in BBC a program where there was a debate between three experts.

The discussion was about if the amount of money paid by NASA to send a human to land on the surface of the moon to study the inner structure of the moon was worth it or not?? The American government authorized a budget of $100, 000, 000, 000 (one hundred thousand million dollar) for this project. One of the discoveries of that project was that there is a layer of material that splits the moon into two halves and the only explanation to this discovery that the moon was split at some times in its history and rejoined!!!

So getting back to the topic - it seems that, contrary to your cut'n'paste, NASA doesn't actually have any evidence that could possible prove the moon-splitting theory. Is this something you'll feed back websites you got your information from?

The word 'qur'an' means 'recitation', and the first verse of the Qur'an to be revealed by the Angel Gabriel to the Prophet Muhammad was a command to 'Read (or recite)! In the name of your Lord…' This directive to a man who, like most people of the time, could neither read nor write, marked the beginning of a new age in human communication, learning, and development. Whereas earlier Scriptures had been written and passed down by elite circles of priests and scribes - usually long after the death of the religion's founder - the preservation of the Qur'an was a community effort from the beginning, and it was completed during the Prophet Muhammad's own lifetime. The Prophet's early followers eagerly memorised and recorded each new revelation as it was revealed; by the time he passed away, thousands had memorised the entire Qur'an by heart. Within two years after the Prophet's death, the first caliph Abu Bakr requested the Prophet's secretary Zayd to collect all existing copies and fragments of the Qur'an in one place, in order to compile a standard edition. This manuscript became the basis for the authorised editions that were distributed to each Muslim province during the rule of 'Uthman, third caliph; remarkably, a few of those early manuscripts have been preserved and can still be viewed in museums today.

The American Apollo mission of 1967 obtained a couple of remarkable photographs of the hidden side of the moon. They show a strange feature, a 240 km long cleavage 8 km wide. Can you confirm this and give me more explanations ? Thank you very much for your help!

I think you may be misinformed. There was no Apollo mission to the Moon in 1967; the first Apollo flight around the Moon was Apollo 8 in December 1968. While there are lots of interesting geological features on the far side the Moon, I don't know of anything that meets your description of a long cleavage. Most of the lunar farside is ancient terrain similar to the highlands on the side that faces Earth. For a good summary of the discoveries made during the Apollo program, I recommend Stuart Ross Tayler's "Lunar Science: A Post-Apollo View".

It would be a nice gesture, if you could give links to some authentic websites instead of some blogs. (Also I can tell you that the solar spots was caused last time I sneezed. )

Also there is no king called Zamorin Perumal. The king you are referring to is Cheraman Perumaal who went to Mecca and converted after hearing about the miracle from travellers. but his reign is said to be in the late eightth century. Do your math and decide whether he was there when the prophet was supposedly doing the moon splitting.

Please dont tell me they all time-travelled to seventh century, watched the moon-splitting and then went back to their respective centuries. There is so much a rational mind can take.

If you were trying to give credibility to ur arguments by citing these rulers, sorry to say, you have failed miserably and not only that , have raised a question about promoting faith on false grounds.

It was also seen by two rulers in India, namely Bhoj of Malwa Kingdom and Zamorin Perumal of Kerala. Both of them investigated the phenomenon and traced it to the promised last ‘avtar’ to be born in Arabia. They identified him with last Messenger (sal), the last prophet of God,

Great. First time that I heard of it after having lived all these while. Its not metioned in any of Christianity write up and I wonder why these society is so lacking in knowledge. Someone out there, please write some journal that the sun is split into three.