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a letter was received from Syed Naziruddin Shah Rashidi incharge of crime monitoring cell dated Aug. 9th. 2016. Govt of Sind home department with copies to
1, The director General, Pak Rangers, Sind
2, The inspector general of Police, Sind
3The joint director, intelligence bureau sind
4The head quarters 5 corps Karachi.
The letter states about a threat and warning to the bohries about damage to their so called masjids.
We talk about majlis all the time . Ijn arabic word majlis is translated in english as a Salon or a talking place.
what will be the reaction of the entourage. will they be bold enough to still go on their money collection trip to Karachi, Multan, Lahore, Pindi and Quetta.

The threat is a sham. The zaadas want high level security for Muffy which the local government may be reluctant to provide. So they have enacted this drama. This would have serious repercussions for Bohras.

Muffy will cash out from many businesses that is holding his profits. He will also collect these monies in the form of Ziafats and Salams. His ziafat givers will make sure their right hand knows what the left is parting out. It will also up the ante.

All the Kadambosi money will be used for paying the security people and other vultures, some official and other are local gundas.

Amils will demand bigger crowds for his 5%.

There will be plenty of chest beating and fragrance of biryani all around.

Local muslims will call bhori bhai as kafirs and mushrik, rest will think we are people of low IQ. Rightfully justified.

People has gone that route. It is impossible to get a conviction in third world countries. When the society is filled with corrupt officials, justice is for sale. However a group of old justices and their peers can decide the case, impose punishment.

Another group of individuals or teams would carry out verdict. After few verdicts, mulaji and their ilk will run into woods,never to return.
The role of Mukhtar Al-Thafaqi is needed to help the poor masses from the the talons of the rotten family.

Our children are denied basics so the mulaji can live the life of Firoun. We can do Dua and Bad-dua till the cows come home. Another rout is Jhat mangni, Phat biya, you know what I mean.

after such credible threats, one would assume that an astute leader would advise his followers to practise taqqiya and blend in with the larger society, a leader with half a brain and the care and concern of his flock would wish them to be safe. but no, here we have a moron and a [DELETED] dai who is more interested in self-glorification, pomp and show-baazi and for this purpose he will let his community get blasted to smithereens. tum maro, mujhe paisa kamana hai...!!

now in the face of such open threats, he is going to pakistan to mop up some more moolah, security and safety of bohras be damned. the processions, huge gatherings of idiots falling over each other for "deedar", amtes in garish ridas, cries of mola mola... bayans full of crap and crocodile tears.. laanats on his rival and family, laanats on dawat na dushman, on the first 3 khalifas, the list of provocations goes on.

if after all this, a few bohras get blown up or murdered, what difference does it make to their ilah ul ardh? none, zilch, nada, zero. if this is what a community of retards deserve, so be it.

Al Zulfiqar wrote:after such credible threats, one would assume that an astute leader would advise his followers to practise taqqiya and blend in with the larger society, a leader with half a brain and the care and concern of his flock would wish them to be safe. but no, here we have a moron and a haramkhor dai who is more interested in self-glorification, pomp and show-baazi and for this purpose he will let his community get blasted to smithereens. tum maro, mujhe paisa kamana hai...!!

now in the face of such open threats, he is going to pakistan to mop up some more moolah, security and safety of bohras be damned. the processions, huge gatherings of idiots falling over each other for "deedar", amtes in garish ridas, cries of mola mola... bayans full of crap and crocodile tears.. laanats on his rival and family, laanats on dawat na dushman, on the first 3 khalifas, the list of provocations goes on.

if after all this, a few bohras get blown up or murdered, what difference does it make to their ilah ul ardh? none, zilch, nada, zero. if this is what a community of retards deserve, so be it.

damned if he goes damned if he doesn't go.if he doesnt ull cry he got afraid of lil threats.u are a 2 faced hypocrite.admin how are you allowing such a cheap language .Are you serious about reforms or just want to end up makin this forum tug of war of abuses..

guy_sam2005 wrote:
damned if he goes damned if he doesn't go.if he doesnt ull cry he got afraid of lil threats.u are a 2 faced hypocrite.admin how are you allowing such a cheap language .Are you serious about reforms or just want to end up makin this forum tug of war of abuses..

guy sam, how convenient of you to ignore the safety and security of the abde community which is being jeopardised by the visit of muffy moron and his showbaazi gimmicks. either you were born stupid or became retarded with the constant brainwashing of your haqiqi kaaba and the incessant beating of your chest and head. or you are too smart and deliberately playing dumb, which i don't think is possible because all abde fanatics are dumb anyways. no acting skills required, all they have to do is follow their leader who is a raving lunatic.

as for language, pls make some effort and point out which words you are specifically complaining about. i will make it easier for you.

moron = a stupid person. fool, idiot, ass, blockhead, dunce, dolt, ignoramus, imbecile, cretin, dullard, simpleton, clod.
haramkhor = a person who eats, steals and enjoys what is not rightfully or legally his and is therefore haraam. such a person is also called a haraami.
retards = persons with arrested or retarded mental development who have very little brain capacity to understand any logical reasoning
moolah = money. generally referred to in those cases where it comes as a windfall or easy money like a lottery or when fools willingly part with their money and hand it over to a conman who is deceiving them with false promises
raving lunatic = completely starkly insane
dumb = stupid, retarded, idiot ... very similar to moron as above

these words were exactly and appropriately used in perfect placements as the definitions clarify. they refer to abdes like yourself, your leader and your fellow fanatics. to test their veracity, please request your mad dictator to visit pakistan and lay on all the show, pomp and glamour that he can and then watch the results. is that also something too hard for you to comprehend?

Big rain in Karachi washed out all the decorations of stage etc prepared for Muffy arrival. All money down the drain , all flowers in gutters, shamiana all wet , stage almost falling down. Can this ever happen if a true representative of Allah is spreading the word of Allah.

think wrote:Big rain in Karachi washed out all the decorations of stage etc prepared for Muffy arrival. All money down the drain , all flowers in gutters, shamiana all wet , stage almost falling down. Can this ever happen if a true representative of Allah is spreading the word of Allah.

Maybe Allah subhanahu had enough of it and in a way gave a pointer to stop this non-sense or else will destroy it completely. Meanwhile during ashara what you will eat is here.

of course! isn't that what hussain died for? as he prayed in sajda at the last minute while the laeen shimr waited with his 'butthar khanjar" for the "baar ragra", hussain prayed for 51st, 52nd and 53rd dais and also most definitely stressed in his dying duas that the followers of these mojiza na sahebo should be well-fed with halwa, malidas, kebabs, khichro, tarkaris and pulaos so that they remain rotund and fattened for ritual slaughter by their molas as he was slaughtered most gruesomely by his enemies.

there is deep taawil behind these moharram menus published in advance my friend, which you will never understand with your superficial ilm of our deen. to fully grasp its esoteric ramifications, you have to be transported back in time to be among the shohodas of kerbala, thirsty, hungry, fearful, persecuted, reviled and treated worse than haiwaan. our mola is actually gibraeel, the one who advised hussain to have himself be killed so that bohras centuries later could travel to far-off exotic lands, shop, do sightseeing and feast on labrez jamans, light up their mohallas and create an atmosphere of frantic celebrations whilst practicing their skills at acting out rova jevu moh and relieve their daily tensions and stresses by banging themselves silly. hussain had predicted that this release of endorphins for abdes would ease his own pains whilst he was being beheaded.

ice cream?? it should be badam pista kulfi. if you ask such ignorant questions next time your hijar and saaya kurta will be shredded and your topi sent flying high above saifee mahal.

You write very well, you are the king of sarcasm. I always have admired your clear thoughts and boldness in expressing them, however I have a request for you to not use the word Hijar for Izar. Hijar is holy place around kaaba where doa is mustajab, Izar is a garment that abdes wear borrowing from their younger brothers. Thanks

with all due respect, but i think you have the terminology confused. what you are probably referring to is hajr, as in hajr al aswad (hajr means rock in arabic) which is installed in a corner of the kaaba which is where most pilgrims stop to touch and pray. this rock is believed to be a meteorite of ancient origin and there is no explanation as to its presence, why and when and who installed it there.

there is no word called hijar in arabic. the closest word is hijri, which is used for 'year' (after migration or hijrat of the prophet). you are right in that the correct word for pyjamas in urdu is izar, but tell me how many bohras pronounce it correctly? in that respect my usage is correct.

there is semi-circular wall about 4-5 foot high to one side of kaaba, during the tawaaf you walk on the outside of it. it is believed that Ismail A S and his mother Haja A S are buried there. it is considered part of the kaaba. The only time we go inside there is to pray nafal namaz after we put haj ihram. So, because of hijar e Ismail and Hijar e Hajar A S is buried there, pluraly that area (at least in our sahifas) is called Hijar.

If someone can design a Eezar with zip in the front. Shooting the pistole for #1 can become so easy trouble free. Couple of sheet of toilet paper, to wipe last drop or two. Kurta with buttons or zipper all the way down and we have two piece monkey suit.

Get the Raza and split the profits with Mafia of Qasr-e- dimagh Khali.

think wrote:a letter was received from Syed Naziruddin Shah Rashidi incharge of crime monitoring cell dated Aug. 9th. 2016. Govt of Sind home department with copies to
1, The director General, Pak Rangers, Sind
2, The inspector general of Police, Sind
3The joint director, intelligence bureau sind
4The head quarters 5 corps Karachi.
The letter states about a threat and warning to the bohries about damage to their so called masjids.
We talk about majlis all the time . Ijn arabic word majlis is translated in english as a Salon or a talking place.
what will be the reaction of the entourage. will they be bold enough to still go on their money collection trip to Karachi, Multan, Lahore, Pindi and Quetta.

yesterday I saw that aahh ahh aahh video from a friend mobile, and I am speechless. I request bohras to avoid such stupid things, if you want to cry on Imam Hussain(s) cry with heart and not fake it out....

Well you are not looking closer... you will find "SYEDNA WA MOULANA ABU JAFAR US SADIQ ALE QADR MUFFADDAL SAIFUDDIN (TUS). " Whoa that was a mouthful.

He is Payasa and hungry just like Imam Hussyn but the only difference is one was thirsty for water and food and sacrifice himself to save Islam and the other bloke is for MORE MONEY, MORE POPULARITY, POPE MOBILE A/C Mercedes Benz AND MORE KADAMBOSI.

Just a flash came to my mind while writing the name in CAPS, we call Allah Tahala one or two syllables, Moula Ali AS two syllables, Moulatena Fatema AS SMS addresses her as Fatema first name basis, Moula Ali AS as Ali first name basis, Imam Hassan AS as Hassan Imam and Imam Hussain as "Hussain Tu Hussian che" first name basis. While SMS wants his name mentioned in "11 syllables". Oops sorry i forgot the degree of "DR" so that is 12 Syllables. SMS bypasses Allah Tahala and Panjtan paak in respect. He MUST BE ALLAH ON EARTH......Am i right in saying so ?

I Rizwan wrote: yesterday I saw that aahh ahh aahh video from a friend mobile, and I am speechless. I request bohras to avoid such stupid things, if you want to cry on Imam Hussain(s) cry with heart and not fake it out....

muffy have some weird fantasies. his wife need to advice him.

Something about this dude i would call it " Mental imbalance " like Kim-jong Ug. Aaahhh no Naaroo and cry...he sure does have a very obedient lot and people does whatever he say. He say Dance and people Dance that we have seen in the video when SKQ died. Now Muhaaram time he says Cry and we practice crying in ohbat with Aahh no naaroo and to carry special crying stripy Red rumaal. Pheran without pockets and while topis with only gold trimmings. Generation of subduing is paying back. English white people ruled us for over 100 years and trained us to be inferior to them and 66 years after independence we still love white skin. See the analogy.

there is semi-circular wall about 4-5 foot high to one side of kaaba, during the tawaaf you walk on the outside of it. it is believed that Ismail A S and his mother Haja A S are buried there. it is considered part of the kaaba. The only time we go inside there is to pray nafal namaz after we put haj ihram. So, because of hijar e Ismail and Hijar e Hajar A S is buried there, pluraly that area (at least in our sahifas) is called Hijar.

Kaka Akela,

this wall is actually referred to as 'Hateem'. as for it being referred to as 'Hijar' in our sahifas, be that as it may, i do not agree to it. there is no such word in arabic either as an adjective or noun. i repeat, our bohras have a penchant for distorting and perverting arabic and foreign words, often unwittingly, but of late, deliberately and cunningly. there is a word used locally as hidjr for the wall but that has no comparison with our usage and understanding of the word hijar (hijaar) which is again a mutation of the word 'izaar' as you rightly pointed out. below are 2 commentaries on this wall, one from a respected islamic site and the latter from wikipedia.

1. Hatim (also romanized as hateem), a low wall originally part of the Kaaba. It is a semi-circular wall opposite, but not connected to, the north-west wall of the Kaaba known as the hatīm. This is 90 cm (35 in) in height and 1.5 m (4.9 ft) in width, and is composed of white marble. At one time the space lying between the hatīm and the Kaaba belonged to the Kaaba itself, and for this reason it is not entered during the tawaf. According to western scholars the space contains the remains of Hagar and Ishmael as it is called hidjr Ismail[16]

2. Praise be to Allaah.
First of all we should point out that there is no basis for the people calling Hijr Ismaa’eel by this name, and Ismaa’eel knew nothing of this Hijr. Ibraaheem and Ismaa’eel (peace be upon them) built the Kaa’bah completely, including the area of the Hijr, then the walls of the Kaa’bah became weakened because of a fire and flood that happened before the mission of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) began. So Quraysh knocked down what was left of its walls and rebuilt it. They ran out of money from good sources and were thus unable to complete the building on the foundations of Ibraaheem and Ismaa’eel (peace be upon them), so they left the Hijr outside, and built a small wall around it to indicate that it was part of the Ka’bah. They had stipulated for themselves the condition that nothing should be used for building it except money from good sources, and that the earnings of prostitutes or profits from interest-based sales could not be used, or money that was acquired wrongfully by anyone.

In al-Saheehayn it is narrated that ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: “I asked the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) about the wall – is it part of the House? He said, ‘Yes.’ I said, ‘Why did they not incorporate it into the House?’ He said, ‘Your people ran out of money.’”

Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1584; Muslim, 1333.

“The wall” here refers to the Hijr.

The correct way is to call it al-Hijr, without attributing it to Ismaa’eel (peace be upon him).

It is not proven in any marfoo’ hadeeth that Ismaa’eel (peace be upon him) was buried in this Hijr, or that Haajar was buried in it. But there are mawqoof reports with weak isnaads which may be understood as meaning that the grave of Ismaa’eel is inside the Hijr.

For more information see Tahdheer al-Saajid min Ittikhaadh al-Quboor Masaajid (Warning to Worshippers against Taking Graves as Places of Worship) by Shaykh al-Albaani (may Allaah have mercy on him), p. 75, 76.

It is extremely unlikely that Ismaa’eel (peace be upon him) would have buried his mother inside the Ka’bah, or that his sons would have buried him there. Such a suggestion needs proof, and no such thing has been proven, praise be to Allaah.

And Allaah knows best.

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after this any further discussion on this subject should, in all fairness, be taken to a fresh thread under the sub forum for discussions on Islam. we have diverted enough from the original topic here.

think wrote:a letter was received from Syed Naziruddin Shah Rashidi incharge of crime monitoring cell dated Aug. 9th. 2016. Govt of Sind home department with copies to
1, The director General, Pak Rangers, Sind
2, The inspector general of Police, Sind
3The joint director, intelligence bureau sind
4The head quarters 5 corps Karachi.
The letter states about a threat and warning to the bohries about damage to their so called masjids.
We talk about majlis all the time . Ijn arabic word majlis is translated in english as a Salon or a talking place.
what will be the reaction of the entourage. will they be bold enough to still go on their money collection trip to Karachi, Multan, Lahore, Pindi and Quetta.

Bohra Community under threat; alert issued

August 10, 2016

KARACHI: Home Department, Government of Sindh has directed the Sindh Rangers and Sindh Police to take extra ordinary steps for the security of Bohra Community, as the terrorists of banned outfits may target the community people at their religious places and ceremonies; a govt letter stated yesterday. According to details, the Sindh Home Department has some information that the terrorists of banned outfit i.e. Tahreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) may target the Bohra community at their religious places. In the threat alert issued by the Home Department Sindh Police and Sindh Rangers were asked to take strict security measures in and around the residential and religious places of Bohra Community in order to avert any untoward incident. Furthermore, a delegation of Bohra Community met Sindh Chief Minister Syed Murad Ali Shah at CM House. During the meeting, Sindh CM Murad Ali Shah assured the Bohra Community of fool proof security arrangements in and around places of Bohra Community. It is pertinent to mention here that the Bohra Community was already being targeted in recent past including an attack at Bohra Jamaat Khana in Saddar area.