Post subject: Re: Why is feminism called feminism and not egalitarianism?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:25 pm

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Erika Soyf*cker wrote:

I love how it's always white heterosexual men who say things like "I don't see race because I'm colorblind," or "why do we even need feminism, women have more rights than men do these days!"

As a pale-skinned heterosexual man who defends his right to have opinions (is that ok?), I have a hunch that abolishing the idea of race is the only way to get past race, and that *any* reference to the idea (including my own here) perpetuates a tragically destructive myth. Race is a social fiction, and it always has been. Do your best to forget it, and you'll make a meaningful contribution. Unfortunately, I do still see race, but I'm working on it.

Despite my complexion and gender (sic), there's blood pumping to my brain, so I don't say that women have more rights than men.

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Post subject: Re: Why is feminism called feminism and not egalitarianism?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:27 pm

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Post subject: Re: Why is feminism called feminism and not egalitarianism?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:32 pm

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MrVEnT wrote:

Erika Soyf*cker wrote:

I love how it's always white heterosexual men who say things like "I don't see race because I'm colorblind," or "why do we even need feminism, women have more rights than men do these days!"

As a white heterosexual man who defends his right to have opinions (is that ok?), I have a hunch that abolishing the idea of race is the only way to get past race, and that *any* reference to the idea (including my own here) perpetuates a tragically destructive myth. Race is a social fiction, and it always has been. Do your best to forget it, and you'll make a meaningful contribution. Unfortunately, I do still see race, but I'm working on it.

Despite my complexion and gender (sic), there's blood pumping to my brain, so I don't say that women have more rights than men.

I don't think anyone here has suggested that white heterosexual men shouldn't have their own opinions. The fact that race is a social construct does not make it any less real, because people are still horribly oppressed for their race. It is real because humans make it real. To choose not to "see race" is to choose to ignore people's lived experiences of racism and privilege. Gender is also a social construct, but I'm guessing that you don't think it's important to not see it.

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Post subject: Re: Why is feminism called feminism and not egalitarianism?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:41 pm

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That race is a social construct may or may not make it less "real"...that's a question for philosophers, and I'm not one. But if it is a social construct, then getting rid of it means one thing, that we need to stop constructing it. The word "race" is the main building supply in this social construct, and you don't knock down constructs with building supplies. While there are cases of ambiguous gender where it can be useful to recognize that aspects of gender are social constructs, it is not the case that all of what we call gender is determined by social constructs. In any case, I'd like to rid people of race, but I certainly don't want to rid them of gender. Denying gender won't make it go away (thankfully), but in my opinion, denying race is the *only* thing that will make it go away, precisely because it's a social construct.

Post subject: Re: Why is feminism called feminism and not egalitarianism?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:52 pm

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Post subject: Re: Why is feminism called feminism and not egalitarianism?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:57 pm

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