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Topic: The Bathroom Window Revisited (Read 2364 times)

As there is little movement on the case I thought I would try and spark debate (debate not an argument!).

I am still convinced that Bamber left WHF via the bathroom window because of his description of how he could use a hacksaw blade to open the catch and enter and bang the window closed to make it look as though it was locked. Many old sash windows use the type of catch below and as you can see, it's simply a screw which fits in a slot. You can easily use something like a hacksaw blade to push the catch out of the slot housing and open the window and banging it shut will cause the pivoted screw to fall forward back into the housing. This is why Jones thought the windows were all locked however, when Sergeant Stephen Golding checked the shower room window, he found it closed but not secured, to secure it, you have to tighten the screw or the window remains unlocked.

Why? It's simply a tool that is thin enough to fit between the two panes. They found a hacksaw blade and he admitted to using one on other occasions. It wasn't used to saw anything. However, he doesn't have to have used a HSB, he could have used anything.

wouldent there be a danger of being heard if you opened a window like that.

Indeed you will, but hadn't he described it as a method he'd previously used? Of course, there are many who are determined to to call it a coincidence. A danger of being heard? With the residents upstairs, asleep? It was a very solid Georgian family house with thick walls. I imagine it was a chance worth taking.

Indeed you will, but hadn't he described it as a method he'd previously used? Of course, there are many who are determined to to call it a coincidence. A danger of being heard? With the residents upstairs, asleep? It was a very solid Georgian family house with thick walls. I imagine it was a chance worth taking.

maybe there determined to call it a coincidence because that's what it is.

maybe there determined to call it a coincidence because that's what it is.

I imagine that 'coincidences' can be attached to every crime that's ever been committed. They form a part of a defence counsel's 'bag of tricks' which they use to try to get their client off. If you watch "Murder, Mystery and My Family -Case Closed" you'll see that the majority were convicted on coincidences. A present day judge has only -of the cases I've watched- ruled one as being an unsafe conviction.

surely he could of left any way he wanted to he wouldent of needed to.

Well now. If you're trying to rule out windows, I'll hazard a guess that all that's left are doors. But if you're a murderer who's trying to paint a picture of the murders being carried out by someone within the house, unless you have a door key, it's going to look a bit suspicious, when the police arrive to find an unlocked door

Well now. If you're trying to rule out windows, I'll hazard a guess that all that's left are doors. But if you're a murderer who's trying to paint a picture of the murders being carried out by someone within the house, unless you have a door key, it's going to look a bit suspicious, when the police arrive to find an unlocked door

Well now. If you're trying to rule out windows, I'll hazard a guess that all that's left are doors. But if you're a murderer who's trying to paint a picture of the murders being carried out by someone within the house, unless you have a door key, it's going to look a bit suspicious, when the police arrive to find an unlocked door

This is why Jones thought the windows were all locked however, when Sergeant Stephen Golding checked the shower room window, he found it closed but not secured, to secure it, you have to tighten the screw or the window remains unlocked.

You can't conclude that's the reason unless you know that the particular window catch used for the window concerned is of the type you've mentioned (or similar). Did Sergeant Golding specifically state that the catch concerned had a screw that needed to be tightened to secure the window, as distinct from a catch that just required a quarter or half turn (approximately) to secure the window?

You can easily use something like a hacksaw blade to push the catch out of the slot housing

You stated you believed that Jeremy left via the bathroom window, which wouldn't require dislodging the catch from outside. Do you also believe he entered via the same window and relied on prising it open from outside instead of just leaving it unlocked in advance? If a hacksaw blade had ever been used to open that window's catch from outside, there would be noticeable scratches on the catch caused by the hacksaw blade (or similar instrument).