It's a crossover episode! Sean McCarthy (Just a Catholic Dad)
sits down with Mac & Katherine on his turf. Sky Lounges,
puddings, and dodgy hips abound. We also talk about the
overwhelming sadness and awe or Salsilbury Cathedral.

Beautiful weather finally
arrives as Mac & the boys go help clean up a cemetery, Jude
wants confession, The Iron Giant still holds up, and we reflect on
why we podcast and our place in the great conversation.