Pacifists and liberals worldwide love to tell about the grand accomplishments of Gandhi through non-violence and what an all around great guy he was.

HOWEVER

In South Africa Gandhi was fighting discrimination against his fellow Indians, but not the native Africans, whom he reffed to as Kaffirs, which was the local racial slur for black people. Here are some fun racist Gandhi quotes:

“A general belief seems to prevail in the colony that the Indians are little better, if at all, than the savages or natives of Africa. Even the children are taught to believe in that manner, with the result that the Indian is being dragged down to the position of a raw Kaffir.” (Reference: The Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi, Government of India (CWMG), Vol I, p. 150)

Regarding forcible registration with the state of blacks: “One can understand the necessity for registration of Kaffirs who will not work.” (Reference: CWMG, Vol I, p. 105)

“Why, of all places in Johannesburg, the Indian Location should be chosen for dumping down all the Kaffirs of the town passes my comprehension…the Town Council must withdraw the Kaffirs from the Location.” (Reference: CWMG, Vol I, pp. 244-245)

His description of black inmates: “Only a degree removed from the animal.”"Kaffirs are as a rule uncivilized – the convicts even more so. They are troublesome, very dirty and live almost like animals.” – Mar. 7, 1908 (Reference: CWMG, Vol VIII, pp. 135-136)

Oh, and, don't freak out pacifists, but:

During a prayer speech: “If we had the atom bomb, we would have used it againstthe British.” – June 16, 1947 (Reference: Gandhi’s “The Last Phase”, Vol II, p. 326)

Gandhi was a RACIST!

So promote Peace and Tolerance with Gandhis face, while fucking for virginity. We do approve of his fanboyism for Fascist Italy though

Gandhi wrote:I do not want to see the allies defeated. But I do not consider Hitler to be as bad as he is depicted. He is showing an ability that is amazing and seems to be gaining his victories without much bloodshed. Englishmen are showing the strength that Empire builders must have. I expect them to rise much higher than they seem to be doing.

Gandhi wrote:I do not want to see the allies defeated. But I do not consider Hitler to be as bad as he is depicted. He is showing an ability that is amazing and seems to be gaining his victories without much bloodshed. Englishmen are showing the strength that Empire builders must have. I expect them to rise much higher than they seem to be doing.

Well, he wasn't, so who gives a fuck? Just ignore whoever it is. He was just some Indian who had a powerful hatred for the British (Which is probably quite like a lot of them.) and just enough charisma to get some other people to do things for him.

Gauntleted Fist wrote:Well, he wasn't, so who gives a fuck? Just ignore whoever it is. He was just some Indian who had a powerful hatred for the British (Which is probably quite like a lot of them.) and just enough charisma to get some other people to do things for him.

Some people have a little more respect for history than "Oh, he was just some guy!"

Some people have a little more respect for the effects of powerful symbols than "Who cares what he really did?"

I get kind of tired of people only talking about how great Gandhi was too. He's only remembered by the world at large for the good things he did for the Indian people (at least, the non-Muslim ones), instead of some of the other crap he did while he was alive. Nobody's perfect, and I get irritated when a large number of people think someone was - especially when there's evidence to the contrary.

Also, chocobos.

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Gauntleted Fist wrote:Well, he wasn't, so who gives a fuck? Just ignore whoever it is. He was just some Indian who had a powerful hatred for the British (Which is probably quite like a lot of them.) and just enough charisma to get some other people to do things for him.

Some people have a little more respect for history than "Oh, he was just some guy!"

Some people have a little more respect for the effects of powerful symbols than "Who cares what he really did?"

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Dracoria wrote:I get kind of tired of people only talking about how great Gandhi was too. He's only remembered by the world at large for the good things he did for the Indian people (at least, the non-Muslim ones), instead of some of the other crap he did while he was alive. Nobody's perfect, and I get irritated when a large number of people think someone was - especially when there's evidence to the contrary.

Then again, imagine a world where history is full of people remembered purely for their negative contributions to Humanity.

This is nothing new. You would have to be pretty naive or stupid to believe that 'heroes' from history don't have feet of clay. That doesn't mean that they should be condemned or the good parts should not be celebrated.

Dracoria wrote:I get kind of tired of people only talking about how great Gandhi was too. He's only remembered by the world at large for the good things he did for the Indian people (at least, the non-Muslim ones), instead of some of the other crap he did while he was alive. Nobody's perfect, and I get irritated when a large number of people think someone was - especially when there's evidence to the contrary.

Then again, imagine a world where history is full of people remembered purely for their negative contributions to Humanity.

Now now, many elected leaders are.

Also, chocobos.

I show solidarity with the Tea Party by drinking more tea.I show solidarity with Occupy Wall Street by painting my toilet as a police cruiser.

Perhaps? Please, the entire OP was little more than thinly-veiled flamebait. No one is saying that Ghandi was perfect. He never claimed to be. I certainly don't condone these statements of his, but this doesn't mean that nothing he did was of any value.

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West Failure wrote:This is nothing new. You would have to be pretty naive or stupid to believe that 'heroes' from history don't have feet of clay. That doesn't mean that they should be condemned or the good parts should not be celebrated.

Exactly. Only refer to people in history when the point you are discussing is relevant

These quotes are often copied and pasted to various places, having not read the sources or researched the legitimacy of the sources I couldn't say whether they were said or not. But that doesn't matter.If there is a perceived good ideal people can attempt to emulate, be it Ghandi's, Buddha's, Muhammad's, Mary's or anybody else's, then I think that can lead people to do good things. I think a lot of people might argue that some peaceful ideologies have brought violence, but if one is going to intentionally perverse a peaceful message then I think they should have expected violence from that individual regardless of ideology.

Perhaps? Please, the entire OP was little more than thinly-veiled flamebait. No one is saying that Ghandi was perfect. He never claimed to be. I certainly don't condone these statements of his, but this doesn't mean that nothing he did was of any value.

I agree. Now Indians under any form of persecution across the globe knows that they should never have to suffer the indignity of being compared to a black person