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Re: Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ

Oy vey; take out the word gun and insert "running with scissors." That makes more sense.

Well, would you let your child run around the room with a loaded gun?

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Re: Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

Originally Posted by Chomsky

My theory is a bit more pragmatic - either he or an associate broke into the agent's car stealing the gun, and then the incident involving the actual shooting was a run-of-the mill crime of passion or opportunity.

But, who knows?

Yes, the story might be accurate and true in all details. I certainly don't know.

But given what we know about Fast & Furious and other cases of government mendacity and staged events it is hard to tell. Maybe I've been watching too many episodes of Olivia Pope and Scandal.

Re: Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

Originally Posted by tech30528

So do you think, coming from another country other than ours where guns are everywhere, he had to find instructions on how to operate it? It would be intuitive for an American since it rains guns here, but for a Mexican national? It had to be a very confusing time for this man having come from such a peaceful place.

It rains guns in mexico, due to the proliferation from America and the lack of ability, as well as the poor job they do of enforcing gun laws.

- There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
- Idealistically, everything should work as you planed it to. Realistically, it depends on how idealistic you are as to the measure of success.
- Better to be a pessimist before, and an optimist afterwords.

Re: Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

Originally Posted by TurtleDude

we are not part of the problem and trying to lay a guilt trip on us if we don't support incremental steps gun banners want is silly.

You don't have to be directly part of the problem. If you sell a gun to someone, who sells it to someone else, when then uses it in a crime and kills someone then you are part of the problem. You are part of the supply chain that allows people to purchase firearms.

- There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
- Idealistically, everything should work as you planed it to. Realistically, it depends on how idealistic you are as to the measure of success.
- Better to be a pessimist before, and an optimist afterwords.

Re: Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

Originally Posted by Mason66

How would that have helped this case considering where the gun came from?

If it were his own personal firearm, and we had a registration process which put penalites on people who are poor at accounting for their weapons, he may have been more inclined to do just that.

- There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
- Idealistically, everything should work as you planed it to. Realistically, it depends on how idealistic you are as to the measure of success.
- Better to be a pessimist before, and an optimist afterwords.

Re: Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

Originally Posted by Lursa

If he's here illegally, how is it a human rights violation to send him back to his home country? (OK, in one piece)

Thats not a human right violation. TD (who I was responding to)seemed to be saying he should be killed and essentially calling open season on returning immigrants... "the killer needs to be returned to mexico-one piece at a time... there is something to be said for deported felons who return being fair game." Then he essentially called for execution of returning immigrants or jail for life... "people who commit felonies-are then deported to the country from which they came and then re-entered should be shot on site or jailed for life if they are caught committing another felony since they have proven that deporting them doesn't stop their predations."

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Re: Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist

Thats not a human right violation. TD (who I was responding to)seemed to be saying he should be killed and essentially calling open season on returning immigrants... "the killer needs to be returned to mexico-one piece at a time... there is something to be said for deported felons who return being fair game." Then he essentially called for execution of returning immigrants or jail for life... "people who commit felonies-are then deported to the country from which they came and then re-entered should be shot on site or jailed for life if they are caught committing another felony since they have proven that deporting them doesn't stop their predations."

Excuse me, WTF is a "returning immigrant"? Is that some new Politically Correct term for an illegal?

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