@Fiery: The mandibles are simply a bit too tight for the bottles I use (camelback podiums). The thin arms actually kind of "crush" in the bottles and they just aren't as easy to get in and out as I'd like. The Dave-O's have wider arms and whether it's because of that or maybe they are just a tad bigger, they feel a bit less snug with the same bottles. Yet still seem like they'd hold a bottle very firmly for the type of riding I do.

isn't that a bit like sayin "I went from those shoes to these and now my feet get squashed but I've wanted a pair of these shoes since I was a teenager so they're here to stay".

The mandibles are fine cages but I think the Dave-O's will suit me more, particularly if I continue using the CamelBak podium bottles. Other bottles are less tight, for sure. In fact, these bottles won't even fit in a Campy 80th Anniversry cage which has an enclosed loop around the bottle with no room to give.

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