tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7470604945324400365.post5855148642024098707..comments2017-08-07T09:17:20.786-07:00Comments on Infinite Waves of Beauty: The Three Card Monte Enlightenment ScamBroken Yogihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02257804418740860542noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7470604945324400365.post-26556556085590520682014-09-24T15:03:26.530-07:002014-09-24T15:03:26.530-07:00I don&#39;t make any recommendations for teachers....I don&#39;t make any recommendations for teachers. A person needs to decide that issue for themselves, based on their own understanding, characteristics, needs, interests, and so forth. In general, one should allow oneself to be attracted to whatever one feels an attraction for, and yet at the same time observe oneself in the midst of that, and gain intelligence from the encounter. In a very realBroken Yogihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02257804418740860542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7470604945324400365.post-66219718861136162392014-07-07T13:31:54.928-07:002014-07-07T13:31:54.928-07:00Broken Yogi, Your points sound like a re-hash of A...Broken Yogi, Your points sound like a re-hash of Adi Da&#39;s teaching. A well-constructed re-hash to be sure, but I think he makes these same points with greater force, conviction, and persuasiveness. Still, your contribution is useful. Thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7470604945324400365.post-77299517167999223432014-04-01T23:53:03.937-07:002014-04-01T23:53:03.937-07:00Who do you recommend as a teacher besides Ramana?Who do you recommend as a teacher besides Ramana?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7470604945324400365.post-72440931785733709742014-04-01T19:57:42.805-07:002014-04-01T19:57:42.805-07:00Thanks for writing this much needed article. Hopef...Thanks for writing this much needed article. Hopefully it will serve as antidote to many caught in the spell! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7470604945324400365.post-42849475209872150622014-03-31T12:32:20.280-07:002014-03-31T12:32:20.280-07:00not enough YES&#39;s, Likes, and Exactly&#39;s fo...not enough YES&#39;s, Likes, and Exactly&#39;s for this post. ~ ThankYou ! <br />could not see how to post response to post so here it is. YES ~ exactly~ Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7470604945324400365.post-82941342316978520782014-03-31T12:27:18.990-07:002014-03-31T12:27:18.990-07:00there are simple, direct, &#39;easy&#39; PENETRATI...there are simple, direct, &#39;easy&#39; PENETRATING yet little known/used &#39;ways&#39; to (as above) &#39;see that this is all illusory&#39; ~ all ~ Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7470604945324400365.post-6147358905739648552014-03-29T09:05:30.799-07:002014-03-29T09:05:30.799-07:00Mark, those are fair criticisms, if not taken too ...Mark, those are fair criticisms, if not taken too literally. As Ramana often said, when people got too involved in ashram politics, we have to attend to the business for which we have come. On the other hand, even Ramana was a social creature living amongst others, and these kinds of issues do come up and have some significance to us. One of Ramana&#39;s primary teachings was that one must begin Broken Yogihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02257804418740860542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7470604945324400365.post-19624707496737062712014-03-29T00:10:35.586-07:002014-03-29T00:10:35.586-07:003 APPROACHES:
1. Neo-Advaita: I am so freaking enl...3 APPROACHES:<br />1. Neo-Advaita: I am so freaking enlightened.<br />2. Broken Yogi: I am so freaking unenlightened and full of ego.<br />3. Ramana: Enough with all the conclusions! Enquire: &quot;Who am I?&quot;<br />Mark Hovilanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7470604945324400365.post-983715775679542922014-03-28T23:31:48.638-07:002014-03-28T23:31:48.638-07:00Why concern yourself with whether others are as &q...Why concern yourself with whether others are as &quot;awakened&quot; or &quot;enlightened&quot; as Ramana or the Buddha? Of what relevance is that to us? If Ramana says &quot;You are the Self,&quot; do we say: &quot;Oh, how profound!&quot; whereas if Joe Schmoe says the same thing we say: &quot;What deluded nonsense&quot;? The truth is the truth, no matter who says it.<br /><br />Being concerned Mark Hovilanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7470604945324400365.post-40506988749385333852014-03-28T20:02:30.790-07:002014-03-28T20:02:30.790-07:00It&#39;s tempting to quote the entire &quot;Be As ...It&#39;s tempting to quote the entire &quot;Be As You Are&quot; book, but here&#39;s just a little excert:<br /><br />The ‘I’-thought is like a spirit which, although not palpable, rises up simultaneously with the body, flourishes and disappears with it. The body-consciousness is the wrong ‘I’. Give up this body-consciousness. It is done by seeking the source of the ‘I’. The body does not say ‘IBroken Yogihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02257804418740860542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7470604945324400365.post-56807164629248134282014-03-28T18:01:06.154-07:002014-03-28T18:01:06.154-07:00The import of that report of that guy experiencing...The import of that report of that guy experiencing himself &quot;bodiless&quot; in that state brought about by inverted concentration or focus is that it reveals the dynamics of identification with the subtler levels of &quot;body-mind&quot;. It seems this guy was using enquiry as a concentrative tool (dharana). One pointed, calmness inducing, concentrative and inverting practices do induce (Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15259151459827690096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7470604945324400365.post-38347655833528411082014-03-28T17:25:42.790-07:002014-03-28T17:25:42.790-07:00I had just yesterday read the portions Mark repost...I had just yesterday read the portions Mark reposted here. I presume from the awesomely helpful &quot;Be As You Are&quot; edited by David Godman. I think if we take a look at page 62 and on, it might sharpen the comprehension:<br /><br />Q: How do I get peace? I do not seem to obtain it through vichara [enquiry]?<br /><br />A: Peace is your natural state. It is the mind that obstructs the Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15259151459827690096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7470604945324400365.post-71057888239354974762014-03-28T12:52:46.272-07:002014-03-28T12:52:46.272-07:00I agree, Broken Yogi. I just watched a couple of v...I agree, Broken Yogi. I just watched a couple of videos where somehow, the ego or I was either a) realized to be illusory b) to be nonexistent (no &quot;I&quot;) or c) somehow &quot;dropped away&quot;. I have been VERY skeptical that such people are &quot;Awakened&quot; or &quot;Enlightened&quot; like those of Ramana Maharshi or even the Buddha. <br /><br />What these represent is the first step Neerav Trivedihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13448683933647446034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7470604945324400365.post-13080062921056664202014-03-28T02:20:36.304-07:002014-03-28T02:20:36.304-07:00Mark, Ramana taught that from the ultimate point o...Mark, Ramana taught that from the ultimate point of view there was no reality to the ego. But he did not teach that from our ordinary or even spiritual point of view as aspirants that there was no ego. He was very clear about the distinction, and your own quotes demonstrate that he took the relative existence of the ego to be a serious matter for people to address. <br /><br />Ramana did not Broken Yogihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02257804418740860542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7470604945324400365.post-28352151180052846272014-03-27T22:49:23.829-07:002014-03-27T22:49:23.829-07:00You say that Ramana didn&#39;t teach that there wa...You say that Ramana didn&#39;t teach that there was no ego. This is not correct. For example:<br /><br />&quot;Mrs. J. I suppose one has to sublimate the ego-self into the true Self.<br />Bh. The ego-self does not exist at all.<br />Mrs. J. Then why does it give so much trouble? Look at the havoc it has created among nations and people. It is dreadful even to oneself.<br />Bh. To whom is the Mark Hovilanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7470604945324400365.post-52564693858324207222014-03-27T05:36:09.925-07:002014-03-27T05:36:09.925-07:00I think your choice of three card monte as a metap...I think your choice of three card monte as a metaphor for bastardized, commericalised non dualism is most apt because as with three card monte, how many will be fooled but momentarily before they realise this a game they cannot win?<br /><br />So, indeed, you disidentify with the objects of your awareness. Or you strengthen the energetic bodies. Or you develop some vey real siddhi. But you know, Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03812113989929685215noreply@blogger.com