say you have a set production capacity and a certain amount of orders for a product, and this product comes in both versions X and Y, but only X can be sold worldwide; well, it's likely the best to produce X first and then move to Y when production allows.

Given the current B58B30M1 is closer to 380hp in reality, do we expect the revised engine to be understated as well?

Click to expand...

You pose the same question I am asking and haven’t gotten an answer. Why change engines if it nets you no true HP increase? So something is at play....but you all are far smarter to figure it out than me. Maybe BMW discontinuing the current version of B58? Maybe new version will produce more than 382 published HP? Maybe it’s for cost, emissions, mpg reasons or a little of each? Maybe BMW preferred for ease of supply or production reasons to move to this B58 version? I have no clue and have not been told but certainly a reason exists because they could have left the current engine in Supra and just showed more published HP for 2021 release since it seems to be making more than they have stated?

Every B58 has been underrated on paper, which will probably continue for future offerings in the Supra. So while the current engine already seems to be on par with the paper specs for the next engine, expect that next one to be underrated as well.

Took delivery of mine last Saturday. While a bit more power would be nice, that's nothing I can't add down the road. I decided to not wait because I was afraid that the price would go up with later updates/versions, similar to what we saw with the R35 GT-R.

The only thing that would really bother me would be if they sold the updated version at the same MSRP, but that's a risk I'm willing to take as a first year buyer (even though it's not really a true first year car given the engine and tech are not brand new). I really enjoy the car and don't regret pulling the trigger now.

My point is, I wouldn’t be so quick to assume there’s a new car on the horizon. Nothing would change that drastically and have the same model designation (SPX 40i).

I’m highly suspicious of the assertions being made here.

Click to expand...

This was actually learned from 2-3 independent sources as far back as the early spring of 2019, so I'd put it as highly likely. And it fits with what BMW does with engine upgrades on a routine basis. Already, BMW models that came out with the B58 in 2017-2018 have gotten power bumps for 2019-2020. So it's almost inevitable that this will happen to the Supra as well, since it would be unlikely they'd make a special exception to keep it running an older B58 when the rest of the lines have moved forward.

Model designation doesn't change when BMW does this -- they still keep the basic 20i, 30i, 40i power designations (which correspond to legacy engines).

Most recent example I can think of is the 2020 X3 M40i, which got the bumped 382HP B58 compared to the 355HP B58 of the introductory 2018 model (that came out in 2017).

What might be different is how Toyota markets the power bump. BMW doesn't usually call much attention to it, if any, it's just a model year upgrade (and in some cases falls between model years). I might expect Toyota to treat this differently.

It is likely the NA market Supra will transition to B58D starting with March 2020 production. Other countries might get it too, but only those countries that currently receive the B58D version of Z4 M40i (because same rules apply).

The current plans call for A90 to be in production until the end of 2025.