Stoller: Government---or business, little difference---IS force, the force of one set of property relations upon another.

Don: The difference is substantial. The buisness down the street isn't going to have some sturmtruppen break in my door. The government might. I don't have to buy what the buisness sells or give them money if I don't want their product. Not so with the government.

Only conspicuous control is bad? Covert control is OK?

Stoller:To advocate a society where there exists no government is to advocate a classless society.

Don: I see no reason why a class system would not exist in the absense of government.