peppermack wrote:So I am in love with my ESP cyclones. Do I need to get some in other plastics as well? i am playing so infrequently right now that I am throwing my ESP Cyclones most of the time off the Tee cause it is the only thing I can get up to speed right now and am consistent with. So some of you cyclone specialist give me the 411.

Depending on how often you throw your ESP Cyclones and how stable they are....I would consider throwing a X Cyclone. There are subtle differences between the two that I like. My X is a little less stable and I use it to throw uphills for that little extra turn.

Thanks for the input, that is what I was thinking and wanting! I think I will get a few X clones and maybe some more of booters Clones too

Mine is a hog but it doesn't penetrate headwinds. My best Buzzz shot went as far as the longest ESP Cyclone toss. With obvious hard fade of the Cyclone. This is the evil twin of the x out TP Cyclone pair i have. TP flips big time and i can't keep the ESP straight or in the air because it won't glide and much worse is so mega LSS that it will fade out early and tilt fast and drop hard. Even annied releases don't make it a lot longer thanks to the lack of glide. What a brick! Not my idea of a straight tunnel disc for sure even thrown at face level. For reference no wind shot of Westside 166,5 King with an s-curve to 420' with skip in 37F.

Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.

JR wrote:...i can't keep the ESP straight or in the air because it won't glide and much worse is so mega LSS that it will fade out early and tilt fast and drop hard. Even annied releases don't make it a lot longer thanks to the lack of glide. What a brick!

That disc is money! Just be patient and let it wear. You have to beat the glide into it, and it'll give you plenty (it'll beg for more!). While it is still over-stable, you can enjoy using it for power flex shots around steep obstacles, left dogleg fades, and the like. Also, like many old school molds, the Cyclone responds very well to spin-dominant flight...get your wrist in front of that bitch and spin the hell out of it.

JR wrote:...Not my idea of a straight tunnel disc for sure even thrown at face level...

Not yet. After you beat the glide into it, you'll be able to put it on a very slight anny for a little gradual left-right journey down a long 3 m wide tunnel with a gentle landing and skip back to the left side of the fairway at the end. Or just throw a Roadrunner for tunnels, like most everybody else.

JR wrote:...i can't keep the ESP straight or in the air because it won't glide and much worse is so mega LSS that it will fade out early and tilt fast and drop hard. Even annied releases don't make it a lot longer thanks to the lack of glide. What a brick!

That disc is money! Just be patient and let it wear. You have to beat the glide into it, and it'll give you plenty (it'll beg for more!). While it is still over-stable, you can enjoy using it for power flex shots around steep obstacles, left dogleg fades, and the like. Also, like many old school molds, the Cyclone responds very well to spin-dominant flight...get your wrist in front of that bitch and spin the hell out of it.

JR wrote:...Not my idea of a straight tunnel disc for sure even thrown at face level...

Not yet. After you beat the glide into it, you'll be able to put it on a very slight anny for a little gradual left-right journey down a long 3 m wide tunnel with a gentle landing and skip back to the left side of the fairway at the end. Or just throw a Roadrunner for tunnels, like most everybody else.

I don't doubt any of that happening but with the attempts of beating it in failing thanks to the stiffest ESP blend i've ever encountered that ain't gonna happen overnight. Abuse time it is. There are better utility discs for going around obstacles and i have plenty of them. Even those that don't need powering down. Like Champion Banshee and GL XXX. RR hasn't been the best tunnel disc for me lat season ia haven't thrown it yet this season after the snow melted from one practice area alone. RR is too flippy for my taste especially in the winds but i need to retest mine and compare it to the other flippy disc S TD. Light Northmen are shorter but seem to be more HSS and around equally LSS for me but Beasts did it for me last season. With a form tweak test yesterday i finally didn't flip Rancheros and for some reason Beasts and Flows act more LSS to me so it limits their tunnel abilities I hope i can reconnect with the RR or S TD and make them work in the wind. I seem to be turning over Leos too easily. I need to remove flash from MD2, Squall and Opto River to see what happens then because at the moment each of them may be better and easier to break in than that super stiff ESP Cyclone with the flat top. Compared to TP anyway, it ain't Flick flat topped.

If i could beat any of my PDs to straight or get one of those harder to find no fade P PDs... They would be a distance jump too wide over the Stalker/Leo range that is only a few feet more than Sabre or Squall shots. I have more testing to do to decide on my bag. Sabre is too inconsistent with D based on how high i throw it and the lack of wind tolerance and i didn't throw the Squall yesterday with the modified form to see if holds up better in HSS. The last time i threw it it was at the mercy of the winds. And i'd like to avoid situational discs as much as possible. That's why RR and S TD need more practice. They are the most dependable on calm days but not so much on windy days.

Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.

Sean40474 wrote:I was perusing some sites and noticed a DGA Flathead Cyclone. What is the difference between this and DC's Cyclone?

It was just a Cyclone run in a base plastic as opposed to TP. They didn't dome up like the TP's. They were really flippy, and the ones I had were made in a really crappy waxy plastic that got thrashed in no time. I used them for a short time for turnovers/rollers, but after I built up a stash of broken-in Cyclones I didn't need them anymore.

Furthur wrote:Either get a lighter one, throw harder, or find a disc with more glide.

^The Cyclone is a great disc to use for a standstill mid-shot when your traction is bad.

Does anyone have a really thrashed ESP Cyclone yet? Mine is wearing, but I want it to become more LSS. As of now it hyzer flips to flat, or from slight hyzer to turned over and flexes back. I have it paired with TBs so I feel like I need a super beat one to have something sufficiently understable.

Peot wrote:^The Cyclone is a great disc to use for a standstill mid-shot when your traction is bad.

Does anyone have a really thrashed ESP Cyclone yet? Mine is wearing, but I want it to become more LSS. As of now it hyzer flips to flat, or from slight hyzer to turned over and flexes back. I have it paired with TBs so I feel like I need a super beat one to have something sufficiently understable.

Yeah, keep working it, they do eventually get really beat up, and stop hyzering out at the extreme end. But it takes a long time, the ESP plastic is really quite super. I pair mine with PDs...one is beat to prime roller state.

Learned some stuff about the Cyclone, probably not new info put I'm posting anyway.

As I've found it there are 4 distinct cyclone moldsXClone - crapCyclone2 - no ideaWixom - blunter nose, don't glide as well. Tooling is on the inside rim.Walled Lake - sharper nose aka the good ones. Tooling is on the bottom of the flight plate.

I've been told that current Pro D and ESPs are run with both toolings... anyone know anymore about this odd little production thing?

cfair wrote:...there are 4 distinct cyclone molds:XClone - crapCyclone2 - no ideaWixom - blunter nose, don't glide as well. Tooling is on the inside rim.Walled Lake - sharper nose aka the good ones. Tooling is on the bottom of the flight plate.

I have to admit, I've never thrown an XClone.

I did pick up a couple old Cyclone2 discs from a re-sale. One looked like it had sat on the bottom of a pond for 20 years, but the plastic was still good, although the color was ruined (brown). These had a high dome, and fly very much like the domey ESP Cyclone I have, except a bit more over-stable. They are also sensitive to OAT, like the domey ESP Cyclones.

All my ESP Cyclones, both domey and flat, had the tooling on the bottom of the flight plate. None of them had tooling on the inside rim. The green plastic was the most domey...it's very nice plastic, just domey and ultra-sensitive to OAT (like a Comet). My flat tops are money, very high speed stable (maybe a few degrees turn) and always a hyzer curl at the end.