What James C said - /usr/lib/mozilla (nearly 8mb) and /usr/lib/seamonkey (29mb) plus ~/.mozilla (867k) all still there.

Switched to IceWM - got a black desktop until I ran the wallpaper setter (can't actually change it though - same in JWM). Pwidgets works here. All the browsers I tried crashed within seconds under IceWM.

As a note, Whippet carries over one bit of behavior that I don't like --but don't know how to change-- namely, it does not permit you to run in RAM or specify boot options without a bootloader. So DON'T run it on a system where it will try to read an existing savefile and screw everything up! Run it on a clean system.

...if someone can tell me how to fix the "instant startup without prompt" misfeature, I'd love to know!

I seem to recall that TurboPup required the user to press madly and repeatedly on the "p" key right from the very start of the boot process. (Then you have to delete all the "p"s that appear at the boot prompt...). Doesn't cure the problem of course, just a workaround.

...starting to think I should work with Puplite instead. It's not nearly as much of a mess to figure out...

It would be easier if you remastered Akita or Puplite.
... Or use woof2 to make a custom Wary build.

Learning woof2 takes patience, but it will save you time in the long run, if you are adding or removing a lot of apps.
I am still remastering Solidpup becuase I put a lot of time into it, but if I were to start over, I would use woof2.

You can boot straight to desktop if you install Shinbar's firstrun pet.
But older versions of Xorg need the video driver to be set to "Vesa" and it will only boot straight to desktop at only 800x600 resolution.

Next versions will be based on Puplite5 almost for certain. While I could work with a beta of Akita, I'd rather not mess with that. Betas have a bad habit of breaking in unexpected places and ways... not what I'm looking for here!

One thing is for sure. I'm done with TurboPup. That thing is a mess inside, and no matter what I try, it poops the carpet whenever I try to change it or "fix" it... which means that whatever Synth did, he did very carefully and within tolerances that I'm simply too ham-handed to meet.

Thing is that it takes Puplite5 more than 5 minutes to boot on a particularly low-spec laptop (Dell Latitude CPi D300XT). I want to drastically reduce that. What things (and how) can I disable or slim down, safely, in order to accomplish this, WITHOUT going through TurboPup-level craziness?

...as a side note, Xvesa does NOT work on that laptop. It actually crashes spectacularly (lots of multicolor, blinking/changing artifacts instead of an intelligible screen) less than 30sec into the desktop, and the colors are all wrong anyways. So that's one thing I can't strip out.

FWIW, I also thought about plumping up pUPnGO... but by the time I bring it back to GTK2 (IIRC it runs GTK1 now!), add full Xorg capability (it's Xvesa-only right now) and add enough programs (and their dependencies) to make it actually useful (and slightly more user-friendly) it'd be as big as Puplite5 or bigger. So there's no point in that, whatsoever -- particularly since I'm not confident (to say the least) in my ability to accomplish super-technical bits like GTK2 and Xorg...

EDIT: I'll also be trying a tool I discovered, namely Igu's version of Woofy. It's called Moo. It certainly sounds more capable than Woofy... so I'll be giving it a chance._________________

Wow, moo looks cool! I've never heard of it before, so thanks for bringing it to my attention.

Instead of remastering next time, I think I try it out moo on Solidpup. I'm pretty sure the "update woof skeleton" option is broken now though, since Barry has moved over to woof2, but there's still a lot of nice options availiable. in moo.

You should test Akita for a while first ... seemed pretty stable to me.

...it was actually slower to boot than Puplite5, which is the other reason I'm hesitant to use it. I suppose I could test the latest beta and Puplite5 on the same machine, see how fast each is... but I'm lazy _________________

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