Microsoft Demonstrates the Power of the Cloud at Build: “Enables Experiences that Have Never Been Possible”

During a livestream from Build Microsoft finally demonstrated the “power of the cloud” used for actual computation, showcasing the destruction of a building with over 35,000 physically simulated pieces falling apart in parallel on a high end PC and on the cloud. While the PC version crawled down to two frames per second, the cloud version kept stable at 32 FPS.

Here’s what Microsoft’s John Shewchuk had to say during the presentation, that was described as working “on a collection of devices:”

What we really think is that the power of the cloud enables new kinds of experiences that have never been possible. Even if we had multiple high end machines, they couldn’t do the kind of bandwidth that we’re doing.

What’s happening is the computation are going on in the cloud, we’re sending those rotations and the positional information down to the clients where the rendering is getting done.

You can see it for yourself in action below, courtesy of Arekkz Gaming. One thing is for sure. While there’ll be technical hurdles to overcome (especially on the side of internet bandwidth) the demo looks extremely promising, and it’s exciting to think about what can be achieved when this kind of technology will go past the prototype stage.

7 hours late at that. As a troll, you need to be RIGHT there on the moment of the reply along with the others. Your skills need work, goofmel.
I’m not good at trolling….but there’s your new nickname!

Xtreme Derp

Please get banned, you have nothing of worth to contribute.

Rai

If you’d scroll down you would see i’ve been having a few conversations, while you just insult me and call me a fool.
You have no room to talk at all man.

Are you friends with or are “you are flat out wrong”? You coincidentally both….came here at the same time….

Xtreme Derp

No your posts clearly indicate what you’re here for and you already know your kind of posts will get you banned on this site.

Rai

For debating and favoring something you don’t agree with? Is it because I like xbox? Is it because I hurt your feelings for saying “inb4 XtremeDerp”? Said that because I know you and your bias. You condoned and said the same about me anyways.
If your’e THAT petty, then sure w/e.

cozomel

Let me know when this actually happens in a game, til then , shut up Kevin Malone

Xtreme Derp

No need to downplay a demo like this, anyone who understand tech and internet latency knows it’s still not feasible.

Abba Okoro

Really and why may that be?

You are flat out wrong

This isn’t new. MS did a similar demo last year. It’s not difficult to downplay two controlled demos in closed environments spread out over a year.

When “da powwa of da clowd” has practically delivered only crap AI in Titanflop, it’s not difficult to be sceptical.

http://hitman42.tumblr.com/ Tyrelle Watts

the ai in titanfall isn’t supposed to be that tough in the first place, but you act like they can’t up the ai and make it tougher.

Rickowned

Nvidia is probably laughing their asses off right about now.

LGK

HAHAHAHA no.

You saw the video right? Other people are doing cloud rendering too, including NVIDIA. AMD announced Radeon Sky series for cloud gaming last year. More and more people are doing it.

The point of the MS demo was not to impress people about what is happening on the demo itself, but the fact that it’s being done with the cloud. That’s what’s new. If MS can make it work in the future it can benefit all gamers, especially those with weaker hardware. So I don’t see how this is a bad thing.

I already knew this type of thing has been done before on local hardware so I don’t see you’re point.

Rickowned

That cloud is shit if the local side of physics processing is like 100% greater.

corvusmd

Not if its in ADDITION to the local side at LITTLE to NO cost….then it’s all extra and frees your system up to worry about more immediate things.

Gannicus

so by your conclusoion everything is better client side?? ok cus everything 400 ears in the fitite is better cl;ient side

LGK

This was just a prototype. If MS can get this to work and it could help people with weak hardware in the near future, isn’t that a good thing? Or are you just one of those fanboys that just hate MS and everything they do?

And what is 100% greater hardware then? Do you think everyone have 100% better hardware and above? Come back when you got something better than that.

ConsoleTruth818

Yes I’m one of these Adults who hate’s Microsoft and everything they do because their decisions aren’t based in reality.

Are you saying this hate isn’t justified? Do you actually think Microsoft should be trusted after what they tried to pull?

I don’t personally believe anything they have to say and never will. In the meantime, I have stopped supporting all their products and services and bought a MAC for my internet needs. Because I’m not and never will be a PC gamer or a Developer, there is no need to have a disgusting Windows 8 PC in my home ever again.

Oh and yeah, I was one of the people who had some self respect and self restraint and actually had some integrity to jump out back in May when they alienated their consumer base first with their abysmal reveal to their PR nonsense.

And yet closed minded easily manipulated gamers are the only ones still with them. Lets just say, I’m glad I’m not one of them.

That’s an interesting link you gave.. and I’m letting you know personally I’m not a person who defends Sony or any company when they have done wrong. But the problem is compared to Microsoft Sony are practically saints as MS has a longstanding reputation of being anti-consumer since they Stole Steve Job’s OS from the original Macintosh years ago.

MS still has done far more things and blatantly too I might add in spades over Sony. In the same breath though, if anyone is that much of a Sony fan that they look past things in this article is just as Ignorant as the people who still choose to support xbox.

Anyhow just wanted to let you that while I dog on MS a plenty.. I have a strong sense of principles and I don’t give Sony any slack either.

Thank you for the link LGK, I think people need to open their eyes with that as well.

Gannicus

steve jobs OS LMAO complete fail more Steve Wozniak… jobs was a business guy Wozniak was the technical genius also they actually licenses DOS from MS cus they couldn’t do it. Jobs couldn’t even write his name in snow code. Wozniak built apple and jobs was the face. Epic fail mate

ConsoleTruth818

You seem to know more about it then me but it’s fresh in my mind because I just saw that movie on netflix. I also remember hearing about this kinda trash as a kid. As I said before, MS has no shame and never did.

Gannicus

Jobs was a business guy which is why he can talk a lot of trash about anything… Wozniak was hardware… and software but they eneded up licensing dos from MS cus they went software guys, Apple ran into the ground into the 90’s MS saved them from bankruptcy that’s why they have a cross licensing deal…. basically appl e can steal what the want from MS while MS makes up new and innovative stuff and apple just may not take everything but anything new they can just add cus there full of cr@p and think everything that comes out of themis gold. Why do ya think they have so much money after the first ophone they barey create anything. just sit back see what everyone is doing if it sells add it to there product line like bigger sceen sizes after they saw it was doing well and no risk all they have to over come is thereselve only marketing about how perfect a certain screen size is!!! I don’t like apple there so stilfling to the market, smasung innovate about 10x more than apple then apple try stop em when they see them doing so well. there qa horrible selfish greedy company.

ConsoleTruth818

I’m not sure about any of this to be honest with you other than taking your word. Either way, I was so disgusted with Microsoft and their reveal that I jumped out and vowed never to buy another Microsoft product again.

Since then I sold my PC and got a MACBook Air.. and man.. lets just I’ll never buy a windows PC again and thank god I don’t have to look at that windows 8 interface ever again. I love the OS, the browser and the laptop itself to death and this is my very first apple product I’ve ever owned. Still not getting an Iphone though as I prefer my Galaxy.

cozomel

So the moral of the story is, Saint MS, evil every one else, i see (f^cking fanboys)

RSR Studios

You’re the same just on sony fanboy list.

cozomel

RSR Studios, i hate to inform you that I am not on Sony’s fanboy list, but rather on the checking the delusional MS fanboys list. I dont think the PS4 is even that impressive, just the better of the two so called next gen systems. But you on the other hand, hmmmm

Gekko36

“MS has a longstanding reputation of being anti-consumer since they Stole Steve Job’s OS from the original Macintosh years ago”

OK be honest, if they stole Lisa the kernel would be similar to Lisa… it was nothing like it. Also Apple stole the premise from Xerox in the first place. I’m not saying MS were siants but neither are Apple or Sony. However I don’t see how copying another premise against a competitor constitutes anti-consumerism… it seems by that action they were giving their customers what they want.

ConsoleTruth818

What the hell is a Kernel? I remember them speaking about Lisa in the movie I just saw..

Either way, I’m not a PC gamer and have never been into computers or specs so my understanding isn’t that great but thank you for trying to clear it up.

Abba Okoro

LMFAO .
First Apple had to license DOS from Windows second Apple got it’s OS from BSD.
Steve Jobs was never a programmer so I can already see what type of person your are LOL

http://hitman42.tumblr.com/ Tyrelle Watts

but wait a minute, if apple threw the idea away in the garbage can, and bill gates looked at it and said hey i can make this work who’s problem is that really?

you can’t steal something that was thrown away. on mans trash is another mans treasure.

Abba Okoro

No, Apple never threw it in the trash they use it till this day WTF.
Did you read my comment?

http://www.facebook.com/revi.bennett Revben Chase Da Kingdom

You see that is the thing, you are refering to the past, now is the future. And pretaining to thet xbox reveal, they had a vision of their console, that you did not have to buy, but they did reverse those policies onf fan feedback.

ConsoleTruth818

THOSE THAT FORGET THE PAST ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT

You ever hear that hear that before?

They had a vision alright and it sucks! They spent more time and energy devoted to the 3 OS’s and the snap and kinect than they did for the hardware and pisspoor choice of RAM.

Also it doesn’t matter if they reversed their policies the damage has already been done as they showed their true colors. If you ask me those of us that don’t forget or forgive that nonsense are much more intelligent than those that did.

This is a matter of principle and I don’t support that kinda attitude from them.

Gamez Rule

“We are happy to announce that PlayStation 3 will have backward compatibility” = True.

“The PlayStation 3 is going to be a console that’s going to be with you again for 10 years” = Could well be correct as Sony supported PS2 for over 10 years

“Our next video is a small sampling of new games and future franchises being born on PS3″ = Some games made it and some didn’t make it ( welcome to the way it is sometimes )

“PlayStation 3 will have two HDMI outputs, standard Wi-Fi, and support for 7 controllers” = true and false as the PS3 didn’t have final specs when that was stated, and the only thing not needed was two HDMI’s ( specs chance from kits to final product happens all the time )

“I believe it represents a huge chunk of our users who will be
very excited by Home and what that means for their socialization,
communication, customization, and being able to live in this great 3-D
space that is Home” = true and NOT false as millions of people still use PS-Home and do all of the above.

“Over the next two to three years, the network must live together
with packaged media must come together. For large content distribution
we must use packaged media for the time being. But eventually a new
situation will arrive” = True and correct.

“PS3 will play used games” = true

“Sony wants to keep that entrepreneurial, pushing-the-envelope
spirit on the creative side of things but with a strong backbone
supporting the business side, so you can give your creative side freedom
without worrying where the next dollar is coming from” = True as Sony made the (( Pub Funding )) for that exact thing.

“It’s probably too cheap… For instance, is it not nonsense to
compare the charge for dinner at the company cafeteria with dinner at a
fine restaurant? It’s a question of what you can do with that game
machine. If you can have an amazing experience, we believe price is not a
problem” = True as PS3 still outsold 360 ( the cheaper console ) so has proven that price is not always a problem.

“PS3 can run games at 120 frames per second, stream six channels of HD, and decode one thousand media thumbnails simultaneously” = false

So what was the point in that link you gave?

Gekko36

“Because I’m not and never will be a PC gamer or a Developer”

So your proud of commenting on a thread about something your don’t care to understand?

“I have stopped supporting all their products and services and bought a MAC for my internet needs”

So out of the frying pan and into the fire then. Mac software is piss poor, always has been. Their Mac OSX Maverick is very poor and their updates have not addressed customer requests. At least MS listened to their customers and did some huge changes with the update Windows Blue (8.1)

Cael Collins

and what did they try and pull?
Allowing people to sell, trade and lend digital games which other companies don’t?
Allow you to trade in and buy right from the store without leaving your couch?
Offering free games to family members so you only have to buy a game once?
I know, horrible stuff.

Gamers are idiots, they get their backs against the wall and stop listening to the fact and make up their own.

ConsoleTruth818

They tried to control are gaming by TREATING US LIKE CRIMINALS and speaking to us all THROUGH A BUBBLE at their reveal and E3 and to make matters more insulting.. they did this in a PARENTAL MANNER very similiar to the crap Adam Orth and Don Mattrick said.. it’s all the same.

Do you seriously believe Microsofts promises? The family share plan was an outright lie and is exagurated by inept Microsoft fanboys as if there was some kind of a bright side to ALL THESE RESTRICTIONS that they 180’d on.

I can’t believe you believe these liars.. are you this Naive?

I wouldn’t believe shit from Microsoft if their tongues came notorized pal.. And your right, gamers are idiots as a whole.. Especially the braindead uninitiated gimps who still willing choose to do business with that god forsaken xbox brand.

You’re right, people are idiots aren’t they?

http://hitman42.tumblr.com/ Tyrelle Watts

are you a criminal could you really be trusted not to lend your game out to 10 or so friends and let them all download the game to their console for free?

the family share program, the same one that valve picked up. you sa it’s a lie you have to prove it was a lie. other wise you are just talking out the side of your neck.

ConsoleTruth818

The family share plan was an over-exagurated hoax to make it look like there was some light at the end of the tunnel with all those restrictions.

Winchester

somebody sounds like a spoilt little child

ConsoleTruth818

Someone sounds like another wise ass over the internet who deserves to be jaw clocked in the real world kid.

I used it for 2 weeks, just looking at the damn thing reminded me too much of that god aweful Xbox interface and only served to remind me of why I left the xbox brand on principle back in May.

Since then I sold it for a Mac Air.. and oh how much better that is!

Abba Okoro

Mac air..lmao must be stupid or 15 year old kid

ConsoleTruth818

No not a kid, just a much wiser consumer than you.. You scumbag Xclown.

Abba Okoro

So your spending 3x money on HARDWARE you could’ve gotten for less?

ConsoleTruth818

You know son, I’m 40 years old..Why did you make a stupid comment about me wanting a MAC Airbook? Do you understand I don’t play Steam PC games? There is no reason for me to ever buy a dirty ass windows PC again.. and I won’t.. That’s my testiment against your corporate criminal friends at MS who has lied much much more than Sony ever has.

Also what happened today with you and Truth huh? You and him were supposed to have a debate over Google Hangouts. Why did you flake on him? I was looking forward to him handing you your ass.

Abba Okoro

No, again you missed my comment.

You spend 3x on hardware you could’ve gotten for less.

Look up the specs to the macbook air and you could find a better laptop at a lower price 100% GUARANTEED

> “dirty ass windows PC again.. and I won’t.. That’s my testiment against your corporate criminal friends at MS who has lied much much more than Sony ever has.”

…….LOL Microsoft doesn’t rely on on disinformation like Sony nor Apple for that matter.
E3 200, 2005 AND 6 and now 2013.“We’re never going to charge you to play online”
Charges you.“Cloud computing is impossible”
>Pays cloud company
And Apple? LOL too much too say
hell recently they just sued Samsung for THEIR product.
They started this whole “patent trolling” for money.
Again waaaay to much to say about them.

Abba Okoro

“Well no shit sherlock.. that extra 400 I’ll be spending is the price it’s worth to never support those crooks again.”
You do know that Ms owns stocks in Apple right? And OSX uses directx? LMFAOOOOOOO

Microsoft overexagurates and hypes everything they do while backing out at the last minute.
>So if you’re referring to the 24 hour DRM fiasco(Which 4 months away from launch is considered “at the last minute”.
But marketing wise all companies hype up their games.
Again unless you are referring to dis-information, your words hold no merit.

Microsoft is spreading disinformation about Google Chromebooks in their pathetic schroogle campaign.
>No LOL yes they we’re kinda harsh but it’s true. Schroogle campaign whether you like it or not actually worked Link for proof click this text

Microsoft is spreading disinformation about the cloud.
>Alright now your biased is showing. You apparently missed the point of the video nor do you know that Windows Azure(Microsoft’s cloud platform) Is the BIGGEST in the world.PROOF

Microsoft is spreading disinformation about Directx12
>LOL Now you’re really talking out you’re ass makes me worry of what you said earlier about working in the collections.
Look up Graphic API’s and hardware drivers for optimization.

Major Nelson IS not a programmer(Hence 3 days after it was reversed)

You think whatever you want about MACs as we are paying for quality..
not to mention apple products aren’t built like shit like windows PC’s.
LOL PC’s are only as good as YOU make them to be.
Macs actually break more than PC’s considering their fragile design. An the fact that they use BSD meaning their source code is out in the public for ANYONE to break in.

ny was stupid NOT TO HAVE CHARGED FOR PSN FROM THE BEGINNING! Had they
done this PSN would have actually evolved at a much quicker rate because
it would have been funded.
>Doesn’t justify them selling you a FALSE PROMISE

Meanwhile all your money is going straight to MS’s greedy pockets
because it’s been proven XBL is funded on their advertisements.
Ok now I’m really starting to think you’re talking out your ass.
>Microsoft doesn’t publicly release how much they make from Xbox division since it’s part of the Entertainment division.
So that means every cent made on Xbox actually counts towards the Entertainment division it’s self.

As I said, apple has always been the higher quality product.. unless
of course you’re a nerd pc gamer, a developer, or some kind of IT
hardware engineer.Yeah, I can say a lot about MS.. in spades.
Two things
>No Apple been known to steal and sue other companies for their ideas.
>Second LOL you’re actually right at your description of me.

ConsoleTruth818

I’ll get to this later when I have time to rip it apart.. Remind me encase I forget.

ConsoleTruth818

Go run along and continue to defend the pedephile Zaire who couldn’t be filled with more shit and has been exposed for being a fake gangster.

Abba Okoro

Pedophilia? LMFAO Isn’t that shit illegal if so then why isn’t he in jail?

ConsoleTruth818

I want you to tell him something from me.. I work at Calfornia financial in Reseda CA. and my entire floor has gotton together and called Child Protective services on his ass 3 months ago. When I asked how things were going with the case when I called CPS they said the matter is being investigated through social media and youtube.

When that assclown of a father (who loves to throw up gang signs and swear like a sailor in front of his baby girl, doesn’t have heat in his house and lives like a damn barnyard animal with animals) get’s a visit from CPS to take that little girl out of that disgusting environment and into a new home with foster parents, You will have me to thank for it!

Zaire, is a piece of human garbage.. the lowest kind of scumbag there is.. As if being deluded about Microsoft wasn’t bad enough. The guy is clearly stupid too.. putting his wife on camera after Bond is still destroying his credibility.

Same goes for true morons like Showstoppa, Arsonell, Wildhorse74, Crapgamer and gamernate.. None of these guys have principles and no integrity when it comes to gaming.. If they did, they wouldn’t still be with Microsoft when they tried to pass off that DRM.

What makes me better than all these clowns is I have principles and I stand by them.. I said goodbye to the scumbag Xbox brand back in May.. when I knew they have finally lost focus.

Then again all xbox supporters are scumbags but I bet some of them atleast have more respect for their own children.
LOL correlating console preference with childcare?
God damn you got some serious issues.
But if he’s not in jail yet your words hold no merit

Abba Okoro

Give it time, the case has been made.. His daughter will be going to a foster family soon.. Do you honestly think I’m the only one who reported this to CPS? 14 others I work with did also.. not to mention the millions of responsible parents who might actually tune in and make up their own minds in an instant.

LOL This is why I think you’re a LAIR
You assume others are going to do it when you swear up and down you did it?

And because of people’s console preference their quote on quote “ignorant”. Seeing you’re lack of knowledge on technology I could call you ignorant in technology

Oh and yes.. ANYONE who supports the xbox brand is ignorant and have no principles or common sense. Irrifutable Scientific Law!

Yup having certain opinions are so stupid LOL

Also if you are calling me out on lack of knowledge about technology than you’re quite simply another nerd. I love technology but that doesn’t mean I have to be all into it like some friggen nerd.

Then goes on to say Since then I sold my PC and got a MACBook Air.. and man.. lets just I’ll never buy a windows PC again and thank god I don’t have to look at that windows 8 interface ever again. I love the OS, the browser and the laptop itself to death and this is my very first apple product I’ve ever owned. Still not getting an Iphone though as I prefer my Galaxy.

LOL Flip flopper

Enjoy the video… this is what a normal parent and a normal adult thinks of Zaire:,

I totally agree with that. It’s just that the article title is confusing, and they’re kind of cheating if they say that realtime physics simulation of 30K objects is impossible locally.

You are flat out wrong

THE THING IS I AM SO BUTTHURT TEH KLAWD IS REAL NOW. I WANT IT TO BE FAIL, AND YOU GUYZ NEED TO WORSHIP SONY AND HATE MICROSOFT MORE.

neko working

it wouldn’t scale very well for single player game.
it’s practical for multiplayer where one set of data syncronized across all clients.

corvusmd

Maybe you shouldn’t leave your trash here…it’s only showing ignorance. “It’s better to appear stupid than open your mouth and remove all doubt” I’d delete this if I were you…it only proves you don’t get the point of the demo

cozomel

You’re jumping the gun kid, lets just wait and see what comes out for X1. Cuz i bet you it wont be nothing.

You are flat out wrong

STFU klown. YOU ARE FLAT OUT WRONG kid

Jhora Zakaryan

First of all, calm down. I’ll explain why you’re a retarded idiot.

1. The title of the article reads “…experiences that have never been possible before”. And the demo basically shows that we can’t locally simulate 30K particles/debris without framerate drops, even on a ‘high-end’ client hardware. The video that was posted here just proves the opposite. If done right, you can simulate much more than that, and no need for ‘cloud’ computing and other voodoo magic. Physics simulation is something that is being done and proved to work with general purpose GPU and hardware price/performance is low enough so that even console hardware (PS4/XBOne) have a lot of horsepower in this regard.

2. If you think that having a server farm for such kind of thing and a complex infrastructure of servers/network-devices is cheaper than running it on a local 150 watt $200 gpu, than you’re maths teacher was an idiot as well.

3. If you’re among the idiots who think that I posted this just because I’m a ‘MS hater’, let me tell you this: I’ve been using Windows Phone from day 1 and, of course, have a couple of Win7/8 laptops/desktops. I work with Microsoft software development tools and I’m actively using their services. I didn’t get why you wrote the word gamer in parentheses. Just in case, my Xbox ID is georgezak, and my PSN ID is GeorgeZak91.

4. The idea of the MS demo was just to show that it is feasible to stream simulation output from servers efficiently, and I agree that this is something new and has a lot of potential. But use servers to simulate 30K debris…? Nah that’s past decade.

If you have more questions, feel free to ask.

Abba Okoro

If you think that having a server farm for such kind of thing and a complex infrastructure of servers/network-devices is cheaper than running it on a local 150 watt $200 gpu, than you’re maths teacher was an idiot as well.

LOL They have a $15 billion dollar cloud network BIGGER than Google. See this is how I KNOW you’re lying

corvusmd

Basically you are complaining about getting ANOTHER relatively free graphics card that can do this….well done “gamer”

https://www.youtube.com/ButtonBros TheRedButterfly

Congratulations on missing the point.

You are flat out wrong

OKAY IM NOT GOING TO LET U THINK THAT I AM AN IDIOT ALONG WITH EXTREME DERP AND COZOMEL. but i hate xbox to be the most powerful,because it IS The Most Powerful. It makes me butthurt to the next level, so i made a few alter ego accounts to spin xbox positive news for SONY my living God. Please hate xbox with me. THANKS

Jhora Zakaryan

I can’t even decide if this comment is sarcasm or plain-old fanboyism. Anyway, it is lame!!

Nvidia physx has done more impressive things years ago in tech demos, and vitally, actually implemented it into real world games as well for years, proving it works.

Also Sony own Gaikai. It’s entirely focused on cloud based services entirely relevant to gaming. Sony are doing it and they have a great company to work on it with specific applications to Playstation.

LGK

Yeah but this was done with the cloud, and it’s just a prototype. It is to help weaker computers do more calculations. And it will only get better and more efficient, while at the same time the average broadband connection speed will slowly go up.

I thought Gaikai was only for streaming? And does it have the same capacity as Azure in terms of geography?

Vulcanproject

Gaikai renders entirely in the cloud, however that hardware is hardware still available to Sony, and it is setup to render games to boot, so they will have loads and loads of GPUs. What microsoft are likely doing here is brute forcing physics on a bunch of server CPUs most likely, rather than just using the one (which would always struggle with this type of calculation) in the PC. When the actual best solution is always likely to be done on a GPU with compute, much as Infamous Second Son already does for it’s complex particle effects…

We know little else about the demo. however it still comes with all the potential downsides of in the cloud compute we are aware of (connection, reliability, variable latency etc)

So I think I prefer to err on the side of conservatism, knowing full well that local performance on a decent GPU such as in most gaming PCs or PS4 will probably be a better option for most developers for a long time to come.

LGK

I will remain skeptical about the MS cloud, but I hope they can get it to work properly someday in the future.

JustGaming

Let me first point out that I am a Nintendo/SEGA era stalwart that has seen some incredible s*** over my 25+ years as a gamer, this being one of them. I appreciate all tech advancements be it cloud, Morpheus, motion control, AR….. And I’m a Nintendo fan at heart. Now that’s out of the way……..

Sony have stated that if developers want to use Gaikai cloud services for computations, then they are free to do so. Absolutely everyone ever skips over this, and acts like its exclusive to M$oft when in fact it is not. Also, One IS NOT a high end PC, far far from it in fact (just as with PS4). People need to realise that just because it’s not in front of your face that it doesn’t mean that it’s not happening. Really, behave yourselves.

None of this, however, should take away from the fact that this is MS edging closer and closer to the always online, DRM-riddled world they envisioned last year that everyone went bananas at, and like the good businessmen they are they managed to make everyone think they went back on it. Silly, silly boys and girls. I hope your bandwidth and connections are good, you will need them. Get your (or probably more aptly, your parents) wallets ready too, because you will be paying extra for this, otherwise you will have the equivalent of low spec/high spec PC business going on. Same could be said for Sony, or anyone else that goes this route. It won’t just magically appear out of thin air, and will act as another revenue stream on top of paid online and initial software costs.

Now…… Back to playing Ghosts ‘n’ Goblins on my Genesis.

Gamez Rule

“Sony have stated that if developers want to use Gaikai cloud services
for computations, then they are free to do so. Absolutely everyone ever
skips over this, and acts like its exclusive to M$oft when in fact it is
not.” = Well Stated☺

Abba Okoro

Gaikai is built and mainly does streaming.

Infact it’s just a bunch of PS3’s stacked up to stream games

cozomel

They may not have the number of servers Azure’s got but do you really think every Azure server is dedicated to this? They rent these servers out to other companis and i bet you they will come first before it being used for some game

shinitaru

“broadband connection speed will slowly go up.”

But that’s not even the real issue, many people already have adequate bandwidth for a moderate level of performance and graphical fidelity. The problem is with cloud computations, the systems are constantly sending and receiving data, its not like a stream where a connection is established once. The problem is latency, the amount of time that it takes to send and receive each process increases exponentially. It will work fine for smaller, less time critical processes but things like this demo where real time calculations are required would be problematic

willhe

ok pony girl all that you said sounds good right? so why are sony ponygirls saying it cant be done. i mean all i wish for is sony ponies to stop being hypocritical bitches thats all. yes i game on playstation kinda sad. im like a playstation guy that hates ponies sorta like clarence thomas hate blacks.

Vulcanproject

If your reply made any sense I might be able to help you. But….sorry. It doesn’t.

willhe

makes a lot of sense if your head wasnt up your ass

ConsoleTruth818

Oh but your head is up your ass and through your skull… up in the clouds eh? I’m still going to be laughing at all of you when MS turns that DRM back on and raises the price of Live another $10 raising it to $70 in the U.S.

Yeah, gotta love Microsoft pal.. You puppets will learn eventually, but it’s going to take some of “YOU” to learn faster than others..

Vulcanproject

Something about ponies on a gaming site? This isn’t an equestrian site or a my little pony fansite. So it didn’t make sense, sorry but better luck next time.

cozomel

STFU you phony xboner/bot, pathetic idiot, supporting a weaker system and a company like MS, sad.

cell989

Just because Sony isnt bragging about it does not mean theyre not doing it. The difference here is that MS loves to hype shit up and under deliver. Sony doesnt show you anything until they have a working kit to actually show in real world scenarios. Like when they officially announced PS NOW or Morpheous.

Sony owns Gaikai remember? a cloud base gaming service

willhe

A cloud base streaming service. do you even know what gaikai does?

cozomel

umm, explain to me why Gaikai couldnt do this? Go ahead, give me real legitmate reasons. All it takes is a certain number of servers

RSR Studios

Actually Sony is not working on cloud rendering and no Gaikai is not a pure cloud server farm is a streaming farm meaning I stream movies, or tv shows on another device. In their case they cant afford to do so anyway since they now have a VR headset in production that cost them even more money.

cozomel

So youre saying Sony couldnt easily do this? That MS is the only one. You really wanna go with that argument? Sony could easily rent servers to do this if they wanted to. And having Gaikai and their servers helps.

http://hitman42.tumblr.com/ Tyrelle Watts

hey sony would have to put money into then they’d have to do the r&d. this way if microsoft does it and it succeeds, then sony can just copy as all the r&d would have been done already.

just like gaikai if someone already done the work just buy them out it’ll probably come out much cheaper.

HalfBlackCanuck

They can attempt the same thing but only three companies have the sheer server size required to deploy this in a meaningful way: Microsoft, Amazon and Google (I believe in that order as well). I would actually be shocked if Amazon DIDN’T announce a similar game-plan for Fire TV

cozomel

Amazon and Google are bigger you doink. And Sony can easily rent servers from Amazon or Rackspace. What do you think you need a million servers to do this? And man, why is it that every website is just infested with MS fanboys sweating the f8ck out of everything MS does? You people treat MS like god.

HalfBlackCanuck

NOPEhttp://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/05/14/whos-got-the-most-web-servers/
Also, you need millions of servers if millions of people are utilizing the same features simultaneously, especially across multiple functions.
And you should talk about “sweating the f8ck”, I’m just explaining why it’s different than what cell989 is stating. Also, I don’t feel the need to downplay every move the competition makes. You, as an example, appear at every pro-MS post going through N4G that supports Disqus. How about you celebrate when Sony announces nice things and be neutral when MS does instead of clawing at false reasoning why it doesn’t matter unless Sony does it? For instance, explain why Project Morpheus (or whatever the VR headset is called) is a big deal when Move already failed critically, and less people can comfortably afford or stomach VR than can access a decent internet connection (cloud compute doesn’t take as much bandwidth as everyone seems to think)
EDIT: VR is interesting (I’ve played around with the Oculus as a buddy of mine has a dev kit) but it certainly is niche)

cozomel

That’s cute, you think i care about Sony like that, or what it does. Typical xbot way of thinking. You think i care about Morpheus? i could care less about it or Move or especially the shoved down everybodies throat Kinect or Wiimote. And just so you know, cuz you obviously dont seem to realize it. Your link proves nothing, cuz its a known fact that Google and Amazon are much bigger than any of those companies listed on that webpage and are bigger than MS. So try again. Now go back to whatever MS hole you crawled out of (probably their a$$).

HalfBlackCanuck

Why is that that every MS article you, Cozumel, feel the need to jump into and shut all over with half-truths and opinion?
For someone who doesn’t own or care to own a console you sure seem to spend a lot of time going into every article posted about it to say whatever random bullish!t you feel compelled to.
You call everyone who challenges you and Xbot but by merely being around you’re proving to everyone that you have a blind love for a corporation for no reason whatsoever.
You DO care about Sony like that, it’s painfully obvious to everyone except you (and maybe youreflatoutwrong and maybe XtremeDerp who will chime in any moment now). Why else would you take a freelance, non-pay job as Sony PR on every MS article posted?
Wiimote couldn’t have been shoved down everyone’s throats because it was the way to control the games from the beginning. People who chose to buy that machine mostly did so BECAUSE of the Wiimote.
So Sony can rent servers? With all that extra cash they have? Okay, that’s fine. Renting part of a larger server doesn’t give them more server space. Amazon and Google are also, in many ways, direct competition. Not saying they wouldn’t rent it out (everyone likes money) but it would come at a price)
So I’ll now go back to browning the web on my Surface Pro, taking calls on my Lumia 920 and enjoy a round of Titanfall on my Xbox One. Why? Because I like the companies design philosophy and like where they’re headed. Once Sony comes out with more than a singe game I really want to play (right now if just Infamous) then I’ll replace the PS3 on my TV stand.

http://hitman42.tumblr.com/ Tyrelle Watts

why are you on every microsoft article sweating microsoft? are you really that worried? or do you really envy microsoft that much. cuz in reality and i mean this your aren’t anything.

question for you again if it’s a article about microsoft then don’t you think people interested in microsoft are going to read and comment, so again why are you here? you wanted to see the power of the cloud and what it can do, and now you’re feeling some type of way.

cozomel

So i take it that you never go on any Sony articles and troll right? to be spweing that sh*t, GTFO of here with that stupid crap. And why does it bother you? you mad? cuz im not talking highly of your love, MS? Dont let me catch you on Sony articles then being a hypocrit spewing negativity and really on every MS article? Ok, kid, Go play Ryse or something, oh wait, Titanfall

http://hitman42.tumblr.com/ Tyrelle Watts

No i don’t go on ps4 articles to troll the ps4. I honestly don’t really care for ps4 to troll it. I go on articles that bing or google bring up when i search xbox one.

http://hitman42.tumblr.com/ Tyrelle Watts

You see my face im not hiding behind no made up name, i don’t have no fake avatar picture, this is tyrelle watts talking to you a 36 year old gamer far from a kid. See the difference between you and i is that i appreciate what competition brings, but i don’t really care for the playstation brand I’ll play it i won’t buy it, i won’t buy alot of stuff from japanese companies.

Hopefully that clears things up, i still tell people that the ps4 is a beast, but its not my system of choice. After all i do like competition since i play actual sports, and watch football and basketball.

Abba Okoro

Nope they only have $400 million dollars in disposable income they will probably report this quarter haha
BTW Google doesn’t rent out servers and do you know how much NASA pays Amazon for their service?

cozomel

I didnt say Google rents out its server, doink, now go back and reread what i said and you’ll see how wrong you are. And Amazon servers are not that expensive kid, Get your facts straight

neko working

ofc its going to cost you more $$$ than local game without TEH CLOUDZ

Jessika S.

Amazon is still number one, google is number two.

Fake_of_Silva

lol, sure gaikai is exactly the same thing!!

Bankai

Sony is actually doing cloud rendering.

You are flat out wrong

STFU bankai. You are flat out wrong. WRONG

Bankai

If that’s what you choose to believe, then I can’t stop you.

RSR Studios

Actually Sony is not working on cloud rendering and no Gaikai is not a pure cloud server farm is a streaming farm meaning I stream movies, or tv shows on another device. In their case they cant afford to do so anyway since they now have a VR headset in production that cost them even more money.

http://hitman42.tumblr.com/ Tyrelle Watts

see that’s what sony fans don’t realize.

Jake Maze

What a Joke you are here -1

You are flat out wrong

Hi Demetre. Nice to see you get another account. Forget your old password?

shinitaru

I heard that he got the banhammer

You are flat out wrong

He’s not banned, just dumb.

shinitaru

Demetre? IDK for sure, but word has been going around that he’s gone

JustGaming

Truth.

JustGaming

Nope, he got banned. It was only a mater of time before he weaseld his way back.

True_Fan

uh oh.

You are flat out wrong

Yeah, this is a nice distraction from MS while Phil Spencer starts sacking staff by the dozens.

shinitaru

That’s nice, but note how they never say where the cloud servers are located. Nobody has ever disputed that cloud processing is possible only that it is not possible over the average internet connection

barackshobama

People have ALWAYS disputed cloud processing/computing. Where have you been ever since Microsoft announced it back in May 2013?

shinitaru

What kind of question is that? Where have I been? Where I’ve always been. Sure there are always going to be those who have no clue but if you take the time to research the reality, it just doesn’t add up. It is possible ON PAPER but that’s it.

Whatheheckman .

… They did say where the cloud servers are located… That was literally one of the first things they talked about during the /Build// Keynote today.

shinitaru

Okay? So…..?

http://hitman42.tumblr.com/ Tyrelle Watts

well if it’s smart then it’ll connect you to the closest data center. with the lowest ping.

shinitaru

Not that simple, neither the server nor the client has any say about how it gets routed. it has nothing to do with that, it has to do with the number of hops that is required for each exchange of data and with cloud processing like this, the number of connections required would be considerable and would need to be recalculated every time you moved the cursor.

http://hitman42.tumblr.com/ Tyrelle Watts

well when i turn on titanfall it connects me to the closest data center.

shinitaru

You’re missing the point, with TF you don’t need to reconnect every time refresh the screen, the game is running locally with only logistical data being exchanged with the server, even then that ping is not static, it fluctuates all the time, now imagine if it were exchanging heavier data, those ping fluctuations would become significant and would multiply exponentially and need to travel back and forth constantly and quickly.
Only static feature and non time critical elements could work with any reliability. MS even admits this. This demo is just a proof of concept, demonstrating what is possible ONCE we have overcome the limitations. They aren’t trying to make any fantastic claims here, but I’m sure it doesn’t bother them that you and other fans like you are going to jump to conclusions

http://hitman42.tumblr.com/ Tyrelle Watts

you’re still reaching. you asked where the cloud severs were right. i said if smart they’ll goto the closest data center. so if they are in cali, i guess they would be connecting to servers in cali. is that plain and simple for you. the titanfall example is there to show that it connects me to the closest data center to ohio where i am.

so again in theory it should still goto the closest data center.

shinitaru

Whatever you want to believe. I know what I’m talking about but you don’t have to take my word for it. Educate yourself:

again like i said stop relying on what you read on sites like eurogamer. they aren’t the holy grail of technology. what have they contributed?

you’re thinking they want to do complete game rendering which is not what this is about sir. so educate yourself.

this is about offloading ai, few physics, and efx processes to the cloud. the graphics are still handled locally. i understand more then what you do. like i said you are reaching.

this is the conclusion i came to after they explained using the cloud the way they did. this is more innovative then just throwing more power to something like sony usually does.

see the thing here is you’re stuck inside the box with people telling you what can’t be done. the more they tell you that the more you believe it.

we are only 5 months in to this generation, there are alot of things that can still be optimized. we are still at the beginning stages.

you say you know but to me you are a internet nobody just like me. you don’t have any contributions to technology that i know of. so how can i take your word where’s your masters degree? i’ll ask again what have you done that i should take your word?

shinitaru

I don’t have to prove anything to you. as you pointed out already, you’re nobody. Believe me or don’t. I don’t care either way.

http://hitman42.tumblr.com/ Tyrelle Watts

so while these companies are proving you wrong you still talk shi. like i said you’re nobody just a internet forum entity that think they know it all, and can’t use his own brain.

obviously you talk as you have something to prove, so prove it or stop talking. exactly as i thought, you have no background in this besides what you read on the internet.

they just showed you a demo/prototype and you still don’t believe. you’re obviously not a problem solver. let’s see what eurogamer will write now.

shinitaru

You replied to me, I simply paid you the courtesy of responding, nothing more.

Don’t pretend you don’t know anything about me

Abba Okoro

Dude there are over 50 locations for Azure servers in the US.

shinitaru

and millions of different ways of being routed to them

Abba Okoro

……Example?

shinitaru

Simple, do you think that when you connect to anything that it just goes directly to the target IP address? No, it get relayed though other DNS servers, like a switchboard on a telephone network, each one of those “hops” adds to the latency. And it random, neither the server nor the client has any say in how it’s routed. Not a big deal for what we use it for, but when talking about a real time, persistent environment its a major roadblock, even more so than simple bandwidth requirements

Abba Okoro

They already explained in the beginning in the video why all the drama?

shinitaru

Drama? You asked for an example & I obliged.

Abba Okoro

SMH Fanboys and their delusions

shinitaru

Those were facts, I’m sorry that you don’t possess the wit to understand. As I’ve said before, you don’t have to take my word for it. Educate yourself

I already know how it works but that is just on the server end, neither the server no client have any control over how the actual internet infrastructure works. Weren’t you bragging about being an engineer or something like that? This should not be news to you

Abba Okoro

YES that’s what I’m trying to explain.

Internet is not a problem unless it’s below the 1/mbps mark or server is too far away(latency).
But that’s not a problem with Azure since(unless you live a 3rd world country) has servers in everywhere in America and Europe.

shinitaru

Only if you were streaming content, problem with cloud RENDERING is the the sheer number of transaction both up and down that multiply that latency exponentially.

Abba Okoro

Did you read my comment?
They have servers all over north america and Europe.

shinitaru

Yes I’ve read enough of your comments to see that you are just trolling and have no clue what we are talking about here. I’m not going to waste any more time on you.

Abba Okoro

I told you latency is only affected if servers are too far.
But Windows Azure doesn’t have that problem since there’s at least 2 servers in each state.

And you call THIS trolling? LOL

Gamez Rule

Gaikai shouts 60fps☺

Abba Okoro

It’s STREAMING

Gamez Rule

Gamers don’t care how it works as long as it does. Understand now. But steamed or not it’s still hitting 60fps and allowing people will crap hardware to play games at extreme settings LMAO!

Abba Okoro

Nope if you call 720p “extreme” settings LOL

Gamez Rule

How is 4k 720p LMAO!

A tablet playing a game while using a 4k screen using a streaming service at 60fps is better than what MS have shown with Titanfall and how a building getting shots at is at 32FPS in a controlled environment☺

Say all ya like but the truth is the truth and that won’t change☺

Abba Okoro

Link for proof

Gamez Rule

Fact is Gaikai don’t need a PC or console to play games at ultra extreme game settings. All it needs is an internet connect and a TV as shown years ago.

HAWKEN multiplayer being played simultaneously by gamers on a tablet (projected on an ultra HD screen) and a television all powered by Gaikai☺

Read the description? How about you watch the video and learn something..☺

IF you even watched the video they tell you how the game is being played LMAO! Hence why I stated “HAWKEN multiplayer being played simultaneously by gamers on a tablet (projected on an ultra HD screen) and a television all powered by Gaikai”

Yes I can see the link, and what has that got to do with Sony owning Gaikai, and that Gaikai allows low level hardware like TVs, Tablets ect to play games at extreme settings?

What has that link got to do with a tablet playing a game at 4k using only Gaikai cloud gaming technology?

So what is your point? as my point shows that while MS uses Azure to help hardware ( meaning you still need gaming hardware to play games even with Azures help ) Gaikai ( PS-Now ) allows FULL game streaming and doesn’t need gaming hardware to play the latest games.

What has that link got to do with those facts?

Abba Okoro

They’re using Nvidia’s cloud technology.
Which only in terms takes work off local hardware.
(Whilst most of the work is done locally)
Why is this so hard to understand? LOL

Gamez Rule

BUT WE ALL KNEW THAT. so what is your point LMAO!

Gaikai isn’t JUST using Nvidia cloud technology either.

Abba Okoro

It is LOL This is there patented technology…
But yes MOST of the work is done locally.
What’s the point of this exactly?

Gamez Rule

Don’t turn this back onto me, I’ve asked you “So what is your point?” MANY TIMES and you have NOT given any points at all LMAO!.. I have given my point of views and proof in what I stated, while all you have shown is… well nothing new LOL.

I have shown proof that a Tablet can run games on a 4K screen using Gaikai, I have shown that Gaikai ( PS-Now ) can be used for gaming when using just a TV or low level hardware not even made for gaming, I have shown that Gaikai is not just Nvidia technology, I have given links as proof to my findings, and yet all you have done is avoided the simple question of ((( So what is your point? ))) LMAO!

So what is your point? as my point shows that while MS uses Azure to help hardware ( meaning you still need gaming hardware to play games even with Azures help ) Gaikai (PS-Now ) allows FULL game streaming and doesn’t need gaming hardware to play the latest games.

What has that link YOU GAVE got to do with those facts? AND If so what is your point?

Abba Okoro

allows FULL game streaming and doesn’t need gaming hardware to play the latest games.STILL Didn’t get my point SMH

We all KNEW that Gaikai was using Nvidia cloud technology, as well as it’s own tech with other 3rd parties, and now with Sony tech… So I’ll ask yet again..

So what is your point?

As I stated..

“I have shown proof that a Tablet can run games on a 4K screen using Gaikai, I have shown that Gaikai ( PS-Now ) can be used for gaming when using just a TV or low level hardware not even made for gaming, I have shown that Gaikai is not just Nvidia technology as Gaikai uses the x264 software running on powerful Intel CPUs too.. /////.. My point shows that while MS uses Azure to help hardware ( meaning you still need gaming hardware to play games even with Azures help ) Gaikai (PS-Now ) allows FULL game streaming and doesn’t need gaming hardware to play the latest games. ”

Fact is you haven’t got a point LMAO!

Abba Okoro

Nvidia cloud technology relies on LOCAL HARDWARE
LOOOOOOOOOL
Read the link I gave you bro

Sucka Free

when talking about networking, the term “local” only applies to nodes on the same network.

Abba Okoro

Apparently you ignored what I told you lol
Especially since you linked me that old Eurogamer article

Sucka Free

I didn’t ignore it, I disproved it

Abba Okoro

So Microsoft is lying? LOL
Read the ping messages in the pictures

Sucka Free

Look, bored of this conversation, I’ve already proven my point but you just keep blocking. Believe what you like, but I promise you, there will be no cloud processing in this generation or even the next.

Abba Okoro

Tell that to the people that pay MS billions of dollars to use it. LOL
Notice how you stopped talking about ping

Sucka Free

You are an idiot, that goes without saying. Yes, Xbox One uses the Azure for dedicated servers, AI streaming, and profile migration, but we aren’t talking about that. Jesus, it’s takes more effort to keep you on topic than it does to prove you wrong, every time I corner you, you switch to something else. anyway, you are wrong, just accept it and move on. This is my last reply to you fool

Abba Okoro

I’m not, I read above messages .
You seem to hate FACTS

Gamez Rule

I got the same thing from him too. Proved he knew nothing and still he tried LMAO!

Gamez Rule

((((( Latency is reduced for users by up to 30ms over standard
graphics card and allows cloud gaming to feel like playing on a local console ))))) Hahaha

We all KNEW that Gaikai was using Nvidia cloud technology, as well as it’s own tech with other 3rd parties, and now with Sony tech… So I’ll ask yet again..

So what is your point?

Abba Okoro

Latency is reduced for users by up to 30ms over standard

graphics card and allows cloud gaming to feel like playing on a local console

Answered your own point

Gamez Rule

You have not got a clue have ya! and STILL avoiding “So what is your point?” LMAO!

I made many points ( while you just repeat my points ) BUT you STILL have not made YOUR point.

While MS shows off a silly building falling to pieces and tells people how cloud gaming will better Xbone, the Sony group have got PS-Now ( up and running with games ) you know the things gamers like to play, so Sony is doing the better thing for gamers while MS allows it’s gamers to just watch buildings falling down☺ My point explains that while MS uses Azure to help hardware ( meaning you still need gaming hardware to play games even with Azures help ) Gaikai (PS-Now ) allows FULL game streaming and doesn’t need gaming hardware to play the latest games ( shown by PS-Now )

Abba Okoro

It needs a special GPU LOL Damn you don’t listen.

Gamez Rule

LMFAO! at special GPU..☺ And that was your point ( a worthless incorrect point at that )

PS-Now ( Gaikai ) runs on a TV ( that doesn’t even have a GPU ). You really have no idea what you are going on about.

“It needs a special GPU”…LMAO! = Classic

Abba Okoro

runs on a TV ( that doesn’t even have a GPU ). You really have no idea what you are going on about.

LOL Nope Smart TV’s are literally minicomputers and ALL TV’s have video cards in them wtf are YOU talking about? Clueless drone = Confirmed

Gamez Rule

There is not a GAMING GPU in TV numb nuts… And there’s not a ( special GPU ) in TVs either LMAO!

FACT is that Gaikai uses (( non-gaming devices alike )) just what I’ve pointed out time and time again and a TV falls into that Non-Gaming Device PMSL! Gaikai is running the game in the cloud and streaming the video through the Internet on non gaming devices ( no need for special GPUs ) lol

Abba Okoro

LOL There is NO SUCH THING as a gaming GPU lol

But time to destroy you completely.

Modestoryst TV GPU’s can’t display anything higher than 720p

Unless you have a+$1000 TV LOL

Gamez Rule

Clueless you really are☺

PS-NOW runs on non-gaming hardware *( TVs)* playing high spec games RIGHT NOW. A tablet played games on a 4k screen which is much higher than ( 720p ) hardware ( including the TV / Tablet )

So not only did a tablet play games that most PCs couldn’t at 4k resolutions but it done so with what Sony now owns. So all good for Sony and gamers alike.

Abba Okoro

For one it requires special hardware like before Gaikia could only run on Nvidia tablets and Smart TV’s
And the tablet costs more than the games themselves LOL

Gamez Rule

You are clueless.. Really you are. You are just WRONG in so many ways it’s beyond funny. Gaikai was running on PC ( My PC is homemade ) and nothing at all to do with Nvidia OR a Smart TV. So carry on making yourself look foolish☺

Here’s a little fact for you to show just how wrong you really are..

Gaikai streaming service was embedded on game-related websites and microsites, social media site such as facebook, so keep on telling yourself that Gaikai could only run “on Nvidia tablets and Smart TV’s” LMAO! Gaikai’s proprietary technology ran inside web browsers, in part, by using previously installed plug-ins LOL, nothing to do with tablets or TVs is it now☺

Abba Okoro

Looks like you never paid attention to what I said LOL. Gaikai was running on PC ( My PC is homemade ) and nothing at all to do with Nvidia OR a Smart TV. So carry on making yourself look foolish☺

I said it wasn’t in full 720p HD hell it was barely streamed 480p.

Gaikai streaming service was embedded on game-related websites and microsites, social media site such as facebook, so keep on telling yourself that Gaikai could only run

As a web developer let me tell you why that’s BULLSHIT

Facebook runs a HOSTING site unless they had super computers to run on top of the over worked servers they wouldn’t host it themselves.

And for the record you do realize it wasn’t even 720p?

Gamez Rule

FACT IS GAIKAI WORKED and Azure doesn’t work the way MS tells us it does!

Show me how it is being used today in gaming?
Show me Azure gaming at it’s best, ( like MS claimed ) when they stated…Azure cloud gaming that will make the Xbone 3-4 times more powerful?

I have shown more than one company and more than one game streaming service while YOU haven’t shown anything to do with Azure cloud gaming that will make the Xbone 3-4 times more powerful too me? LMAO!

YOU put down game streaming while praising Azure cloud gaming BUT no-one has shown Azure doing what MS claimed? Show me Azure at it’s best, ( like MS claimed then )?

( PS-Now is working as we type ) Onlive is streaming games, hell even Ouya owners can play games through the cloud using Playcast Media, AND now we also have the Steam In-Home
Streaming service which also just started up. ( MS is already behind gaming needs ) clearly shown by other companies.

FACT is game streaming seems to be growing and growing each day ( while MS just talks about what their cloud could do ) LMAO!

Now we all know that MS cloud ideas with Azure isn’t the same as streaming games BUT it does seem that more companies want to stream to non-gaming hardware devices than use MS ideas as Azure still needs gaming hardware to function. ( Tatanfall as proof on Xbone = Poor at best )

In fact IF the Azure Cloud System was as good as MS makes it out to be ( 3x Xbones ) then why is Titanfall the way it is on Xbone? The claim made by MS that combining the the local machine with the Azure cloud, allows computational juice of roughly three Xbone units to be used = BS!

Prove me wrong by showing me a gaming video using Azure cloud gaming that will make the Xbone 3-4 times more powerful?

Of course Cloud computing can somehow free resources to be used with graphics, but that’s an entirely different story altogether: if you offload elements like AI, limited physics, world simulation and similar to cloud computing, the local machine has more resources that can indeed be dedicated to rendering visuals BUT the cloud don’t make your hardware more powerful, that’s just BS from MS☺☺☺

And lets face it Azure is not even needed as streaming FULL games without people needing gaming hardware is still the better option ( hence why more companies are in game streaming situations than Azure as we type) You put down
game streaming while praising Azure cloud gaming BUT no-one has shown Azure doing what MS claimed? = a joke

Abba Okoro

Yup, Azure is CLOUD HOSTING technology to say it’s useless yet dedicated servers are in use everywhere. shows how much you don’t know about technology

I have shown more than one company and more than one game streaming service while YOU haven’t shown anything to do with Azure cloud gaming that will make the Xbone 3-4 times more powerful too me? LMAO!

Titanfall used it for matchmaking and like I said above Cloud hosting(Dedicated servers)

Of course Cloud computing can somehow free resources to be used with graphics, but that’s an entirely different story altogether: if you offload elements like AI, limited physics, world simulation and similar to cloud computing, the local machine has more resources that can indeed be dedicated to rendering visuals BUT the cloud don’t make your hardware more powerful, that’s just BS from MS

LOL You just contradict yourself and prove my point.
Case closed you admitted it

Gamez Rule

I’m so glad people can read these posts just to see how little you really know about these subjects.

“Azure is CLOUD HOSTING technology to say it’s useless yet dedicated servers are in use everywhere” … I will explain..We all knew Azure was nothing new BUT MS claimed that Azure cloud will make the Xbone 3-4 times more powerful, and that’s BS as Titanfal clearly proved. LMAO!

You stated,,”It’s all the same infact it was Nvidia cloud technology used by Gaikia” ….ok for one these are NOT all the same, ( Onlive / Ouya / STEAM, are all different to Gaikai and the only thing in they have in common is STREAMING. Gaikai does use Nvidia ( as well as other cloud servers from the game suppliers themselves, like EA / Ubisoft, ect ) as well as OpenStack, ect.

“You seem mis-informed/Delusional”..Your birth certificate is an apology from the condom factory, so carry on being a di*k.

“Titanfall used it for matchmaking and like I said above Cloud hosting(Dedicated servers)”.. This also shows what I posted to be correct as Azure is nothing new, and has been used by others for many years just like PS3 did back in it’s day. BUT MS makes out it is something new while making out that Azure cloud gaming will make the Xbone 3-4 times more powerful..LMAO!

FACT is game streaming seems to be growing and growing each day ( while MS just talks about what their cloud could do )LMAO!

YOU put down game streaming while praising Azure cloud gaming ( and only post about Titanfall ) BUT YOU haven’t shown Azure doing what MS claimed the cloud could do? ( EXPLAINED ) YOU haven’t shown anything to do with Azure cloud gaming that will make the Xbone 3-4 times more powerful too me like MS CLAIMED….. Show me proof.

http://hitman42.tumblr.com/ Tyrelle Watts

ok let me chime in here. first off how is onlive and gaikai not basically the same? i mean ouya can host streaming, i’m not sure about steam. so how is gaikai streaming any different from the other game streaming services? because its on playstation?
for one they haven’t fully developed it yet. but i’ll give it around the time dx12 launches. also titanfall is using it for more then matchmaking. it’s actually controlling all the ai in the game. none of the ai is rendered locally. again none of the ai is rendered locally.
also you say that that the ps3 had dedicated servers right? so if the ps3 had dedicated servers, then that’s why you guys are paying for ps+ to use multiplayer. because you know dedicated servers are expensive thats why cod, bf numerous other games don’t have dedicated servers.
as microsoft said they have been using the cloud to store profiles, leaderboards, matchmaking ect. thats on both systems.
the reason streaming is growing, is because it’s a little easier to do then cloud computing.
streaming is cool and all but it’s the ultimate in DRM. so again you won’t be able to trade your game in, you won’t be able to let your friends borrow your game. the samethings you guys get on microsoft for.
one more thing like i said when dx12 hits then i expect cloud computing on the xbox one to start to show more. also you said the ms demo was in a controlled evironment, well isn’t that what e3 is a controlled evironment? so who’s to say sony wasn’t streaming from LAN showing off gaikai?
please just quit while you still have dignity. it’s not on us to prove you wrong, it’s on you to prove microsoft wrong. also isn’t the streaming service going to cost you money to use? while the cloud computing is free.
they are 2 different technologies. also remember the folding project that the ps3 had when it had linux installed, guess what the ps3 was part of a cloud computing project.

Gamez Rule

“how is onlive and gaikai not basically the same?” .. Are you stating ( Like Abba ) that *It’s all the same* just becasue they both stream? LMFAO!

Just because they are streaming services doesn’t make them the same. I shall explain why.= Onlive uses a cheap, custom-made hardware encoder installed into each one of its servers. While Gaikai utilises CPU-driven x264 the most powerful, versatile video encoder on the market ( FAR FROM THE SAME THING ) hardware encoders simply cannot match the quality and efficiency of x264. ( they are different )

Now to the….

“titanfall is using it for more then matchmaking”..We all know this, BUT like I stated…… “YOU haven’t shown anything to do with Azure cloud gaming that will make the Xbone 3-4 times more powerful too me like MS CLAIMED….. Show me proof.” ( and still waiting )

Also YOU stated ….

“ps3 had dedicated servers right? so if the ps3 had dedicated servers, then that’s why you guys are paying for ps+ to use multiplayer” … That’s completely WRONG, as online gaming on PS3 has always been FREE and ( PS+ is still optional on PS3 ) and not needed for Mulitplayer LMAO! IF you had one you’ll know that fact.

Which bring us too…

“so again you won’t be able to trade your game in, you won’t be able to let your friends borrow your game. the same things you guys get on microsoft for.”… = Wrong yet again as you don’t have to stream the game, you can also download the game from PSN / PS+ if you like the game from PS-Now onto the console, and anyone on that console can use your content with no need for extra subscriptions. So streaming is an OPTION not a must have.

“please just quit while you still have dignity” Brains aren’t everything. In fact, in your case they’re nothing as is your so called knowledge.

http://hitman42.tumblr.com/ Tyrelle Watts

ok by your definition. they aren’t the same because they use different technology to achieve the same goal of streaming video games, so yes they are the same the hardware might be different. just like my car is basically the samething as a truck, as they both carry passengers from point a to point b, so no matter which one you choose they still do the same basic function and that is transportation and are classified as automobiles.

so again no matter the technology they still do the samething and thats streaming, no matter how you try to spin it. just like xbox, playstation, and nintendo all are different but they all are classified as videogame consoles.

i know you don’t have to pay for ps3 multiplayer but you do have to pay for ps4 multiplayer. so go on and say you don’t have to pay for ps+ to use multiplayer on the ps4. thats what i meant by saying paying for ps+. maybe i could have worded it right or maybe i thought you had enough brains to know i was talking about paying for ps+ on the ps4. wow you can download any game to the X1 and anybody can play it, but that still doesn’t mean you can let your friends borrow your game or take it and trade it in.
now remember this is the first generation of games. give the devs time to figure out how they want to use the cloud to offload resources to. microsoft is providing the tools, and also doing their own research which they then pass on to devs.
remember this is still the beginning of this generation 6 months in, gaikai has been around since what 2010 and still won’t be ready for the ps4 till around a year after release. but azure has been used maybe not in the fashion you want to see, but still it’s being used by developers. The only reason Sony even aquired gaikai was because they were streaming playstation games already, microsoft built azure from the ground. so somebody already did the work for sony.
but titanfall is a online game only, just like before consoles battllefield was a online only game. to me thats just like you need gas for your car to go,it just so happens to be part of the requirements. i can still take my phyical copy of titanfall and trade it in or give it to a friend.

Gamez Rule

When there is a difference in tech and methods they are NOT the same. Just based on the same.. Example 3 is 3 = same / 6 and 3 = different ( but still numbers nevertheless ) And In streaming I have shown that not only does Onlive and Gaikai use N-Grid one is still using better tech than the other ( showing a difference ) IE, one being better than the other ( not the same )

“so again no matter the technology they still do the samething and thats streaming, no matter how you try to spin it”/// = Like I pointed out, but they are NOT the same thing as there’s differences to set one better apart from the other but all do the streaming.

YOU stated “”ps3 had dedicated servers right? so if the ps3 had dedicated servers, then that’s why you guys are paying for ps+ to use multiplayer”, = This is wrong as explained.BUT then YOU posted..

” so go on and say you don’t have to pay for ps+ to use multiplayer on
the ps4. thats what i meant by saying paying for ps+. maybe i could have
worded it right or maybe i thought you had enough brains to know i was
talking about paying for ps+ on the ps4″….WELL if you meant PS4 why state PS3 in the first place as the are two different things while using the same services. So anyone with brains posting about PS4 wouldn’t place PS3 instead hoping everyone knew what they meant LMAO!

To answer the ( PS3 PS+ Multi-player ) No you don’t have to have it to play or use online.

To answer the ( PS4 PS+ Multi-player ) Yes you do need it to play online. BUT PS+ is not needed for Multi-player as shown by ( Free To Play Multi-player games that do not need PS+ )

So the above proves that PS+ is NOT needed fof Multi-player as otherwise PS3 will need it and Free 2 Play games wouldn’t be free ( That would then become MS with XBL )

http://hitman42.tumblr.com/ Tyrelle Watts

just goes to show that you don’t pay attention to details. i mention the ps3 and dedicated servers because you did. with dedicated servers being so expensive hence the fee for ps+.

see these are tricks used to size people up. usually a test. and you fail. seriously you fail. you can’t make connections. you are just a one track person.

you try to rebute the fact they are the same, not the EXACT same but same never the less.

oh and my whole point that you missed. was that ps3 so called dedicated servers led to the sub for ps+. why because dedicated servers need to be maintained, and your network can’t grow unless you put money into it.

and for your numbers thing 3 is not 6 but they are still numbers. well there are different ways to get to those numbers, and you didn’t specify their common task. where as gaikai and onlive= game streaming, cars and trucks=transportation. but the number thing 3 and 6(i can say be used for counting, can be used for numbering, can be used for mathematical equations.) so then they are the same since they have a basic function.

so i’ll actually give you a partial credit tho. they are the same, but they aren’t the EXACT SAME because of the technology they use.

http://hitman42.tumblr.com/ Tyrelle Watts

this is just for fun now.
pick the one that isn’t the same as the others.
1)A.gaikai B.onlive C.comcast

2)A.xbox one B.ps4 C.cash register
3)A.sony B.microsoft C.linux

Gamez Rule

“just goes to show that you don’t pay attention to details”

If YOU do not explain yourself correctly how can people pay attention to anything you post. IF you meant PS+ and PS4 then do NOT post PS3 as that isn’t going to receive the same details back as PS4 would.

On PS4 Multi-player free 2 Play games using dedicated servers also do NOT need PS+

( PS+ is needed for online gaming with PS4 ) and NOT just because of Multi-player games as otherwise PS+ would be needed on PS3. SONY states the extras here…

“To play online multiplayer on PlayStation 4 you need to be a member of PlayStation®Plus. This enables you to make the most of the PlayStation 4 system’s enhanced online features, INCLUDING Play As You Download, Companion App, Multi-Device Connectivity and Sharing, that will compliment online play”..NOT just for dedicated servers☺

YOU put down game streaming while praising Azure cloud gaming ( and only
post about Titanfall ) BUT YOU haven’t shown Azure doing what MS
claimed the cloud could do? ( EXPLAINED ) YOU haven’t shown anything to
do with Azure cloud gaming that will make the Xbone 3-4 times more
powerful too me like MS CLAIMED….. Show me proof.

For one I only explained what Gaikia was a streaming service of course not as some utopian idol you made it to be LOL And explain to you WHY it’s nothing to brag about.

There scroll down for full details, there hope I educated you a bit LOL

Gamez Rule

I stated “.ok for one these are NOT all the same, ( Onlive / Ouya / STEAM, are all
different to Gaikai and the only thing in they have in common is
STREAMING”

I have also shown some differences while leaving the streaming service in common. ( And I never stated that Onlive didn’t use N-Grid as I knew they were “NVIDIA is excited to see OnLive launch new services that are based on NVIDIA GPU technology”

YOU stated they are the same, and they are NOT the same only having the streaming is the same. Same can be said for internet, we all us different methods to access the internet, BUT we all have differences on how we do so, but the common thing is the internet itself.

(((( YOU haven’t shown anything to do with Azure cloud gaming that will make the Xbone 3-4 times more powerful too me like MS CLAIMED….. Show me proof ))))

Abba Okoro

And I never stated that Onlive didn’t use N-Grid as I knew they were
Goes on to say l==> YOU stated they are the same, and they are NOT the same only having the streaming is the same.

So they use the same cloud techology only thing they are different is from Business name. Infact Nvidia rents out the servers to them.

It’s alled Cloud service reseller Look that phrase up while you’re at it.

That’s what you call streaming? LOL It’s called remote Desktop really infact all you do is get a machine connected to the internet and with the right software access it from another machine.
The Xbox one and 360 could do this with media player.
So did the PS3 don’t know about the PS4 tho.

I just showed you do I have to screen cap it for you? Revisit my link and scroll down to the virtual cores and RAM it’s the measure of power(I know you’re not computer literate but common lol)

Gamez Rule

“So they use the same cloud techology only thing they are different is from Business name”….

NO LMAO! they are NOT using the same cloud tech ( Similar yes NOT the same ) Is coffee the same as Tea just because it’s hot and with water…Nope.

Abba Okoro

Simliar?
What’s Nvidia grid called again?
And did you look up Cloud service resseller like I told you?

Tea and coffee are both horrible examples as they’re completely different. A better example wouldn’t been a garden shared by different businesses

shogunknight

I have a few questions that need to be answered if possible:
1. Whats the specs of the high end pc?
2. Whats the speed of the internet used?
3. The 32 frames is coming from an xbox one kit?
I would be grateful if i can get them

shinitaru

We can assume that both systems are identical, otherwise the whole demonstration would be a lie. But the fact that they didn’t mention bandwidth speed would indicate that it was local, otherwise they would be bragging about it

Abba Okoro

It ran from the local datacenters THE FIRST THING THEY SAID IN THE BEGINNING

Matt Dickinson

impressive

Jhora Zakaryan

I guess GPGPU APIs like CUDA have been doing such things locally for more than 5 years.

Nick

The PS guys will try to downplay this, but I find it rather impressive. I doubted the cloud, but now, I think it may actually not be a made up fairy tale from MS to save face.

MTM2

Calm down mate, one demonstration in a controlled environment isn’t enough to get too worked up about. This environment was obviously selected to give the most desirable circumstances for the technology to work.

Boerewors

Let’s implement it first on One and start serving 50 million of those in 3-4 years…. Then we’ll see. Not a fanboy talking, I would be thrilled if this works out…I highly doubt it will anytime soon. And if it could work, at what cost for us consumers??

You are flat out wrong

Two demos in closed environments over a year means it’s “substantial.” Yeah. Sure.

http://hitman42.tumblr.com/ Tyrelle Watts

so the same thing can be said for gaikai then right since they haven’t launched.

superkarma

Ahh yes, the almighty power of the cloud. Now, instead of demo’ing that almighty power of the cloud on your perfect isolated environment, specifically tailored for such a thing…I would like a demo of actual real-world environment. Ya know, one where internet bandwidth plays a major role in such an accomplishment. Either way, it’ll be interesting to see the industry leaders shoot this down, just like they did leading up to the X1 launch.

I bet the Xbots are drooling over this, though. I can’t wait to hear what the next batch of MisterX drones have to say about it.

Wargreymon559 .

Lol agree still waiting for the so called “MAKES TEH X1 3X MORE POWERFUL”!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gamez Rule

LMAO!

willhe

ahhh the ponies roids are bursting over this. so ponygirl what real world environment do you know of that will have suped up computers crashing to their knees. pony girls are amazingly the lowest form of gamers

superkarma

When you can type out a coherent sentence, then maybe we can have a discussion. Until then, stick to your MisterX livejournal site.

ConsoleTruth818

It’s funny how you use the term ponies.. Did that scumbag Zaire teach you that? Or how about the Mentally Ill gamernate78 and that Delusional piece of garbage Crapgamer?

The lowest form of gamers are the ones who are easily manipulated… you Xbox supporters.

Rai

Awesome bias right there. Not calling out karma for using “xbots” lol.
Both who support the terms are in the lowest pit.

ConsoleTruth818

Sorry, I didn’t understand what you just said here.

Rai

Sorry. Typing is hard.

Rai

How about you take off your fanboy pants and let the demo….well, be a demo. Since it’s supposed to be used in real-world they’ll obviously show what it can do in the setting later down the road.
Talking about the MisterX drones when you guys are on the opposite end….Guess that’d make you guys part of the SDF fanboys o.o

superkarma

It has nothing to do with being a fanboy, but rather everything to do with Microsoft using buzzword marketing once again. Industry leaders and tech analysts essentially killed the “power of the cloud” dream in real-world environments back when Microsoft tried to scam the public into believing their “vision” last year. This demo doesn’t change a single thing.

Sorry if I choose to live in reality and not some delusional fanboy fantasy. Cloud computing on a console in real-world environments is not going to happen (to this extent or any extent Microsoft continues to claim) for a very, very long time. Don’t worry, you’ll find out soon enough when the same industry leaders and tech analysts shoot down this latest “demo”.

Rai

Nothing to do with being a fanboy? Hmmm. Bias sounds better. Blinded by hate, and blind to the potential.
Fantasy? That’s funny. Cloud computing is already relevant and is evolving. Like anything and everything on this earth, who knows what it will become in the future. You can sit on Industry leaders all you want. It’s not like they’ve been wrong before or anything.
I think in the future (internet improving and what-not) this type of computing can become a part of the console space effectively, but who knows? The kind of reality your’e living in ins’t a fantasy one, like you said, but definitely not one looking towards the future. Sony, Microsoft, Nividia, etc, are making some nice progress with computing. Shit, they might shock us all one day.

superkarma

“Making some nice progress with computing”…that’s fantastic. Even still, none of them will be able to achieve anything worthwhile on a console in a real-world environment for many, many years.

Again, this has nothing to do with being a fanboy or being biased. Unlike you, I speak in facts. I don’t speak in “what ifs” or “maybe one day”. Right now, cloud computing in irrelevant on a console. It will not do the magical things that Microsoft would like the ignorant public to believe. As I’ve said, everything I’ve been saying has been backed up by tech analysts and industry leaders.

Could cloud computing be something amazing in the future? Of course. But we haven’t seen a single thing to suggests that yet. It will be many years before it even makes its way to the consumer and then additional years before anyone learns how to truly take advantage of it. Not only that, but the underlying problems here are bandwidth and latency. Solve those issues and we can have a real discussion.

Rai

You speak some true stuff. You just had a wholely negative take on matter imo. It could be years before we see stuff like this indeed, but right now cloud computing is certainly not irrelevant to consoles, and they are working with it. I believe there’s a beta for playstation now on the Ps4, and titanfall & Forza took advantage of computing. Really the A.I in TF are impressive.

They may play like retarded fodder (which i’m actually believing is supposed to be the case now) you can see and hear them doing various things in game. Like a grunt duking it out between two other soldiers, a grunt dragging his wounded buddy into a corner, and then starts talking to him telling him how he’ll “be okay”, or running up a a frightened grunt who then proceeds to put his gun down and get on his knees and puts his hands behind his head, or even listening to them have full blown conversations about how one of the grunts joined the militia because he didn’t like his dad that much. And the titans themselves aren’t easy. *Rambling over*

But yeah, facts about computing (bandwith, latency, etc), we need em. Beyond the talk of what they can accomplish in the future, it’s certainly relevant already.

cozomel

More wishful thinking, wake up kid, you sound like a fool.

Rai

A lot of the wishful thinking spawned from his negativity and undermining. Got a lil carried away >_>
But anyways you’d have to be a fool to undermine it.

cozomel

Fanboy alert! fanboy alert! The fanboyism is strong in you. Whats your position in the MDF?

Rai

Oh I just realized who you are. Your contribution to any conversation is….well….barely worth replying to. As in your comments are trash. You’ll now be replied to halfheartedly and jokingly good sir.

DJ Evans

Great and maybe it’s just me but he didn’t detonate the building like it was on PC. He shot it a few more times started to do something else. At the end when he goes back to the building you can see that only a small bit of debris is falling. Not much of a detonation.
Not even on no fanboy stuff but I call BS. Would be impressive if they just “detonated” both at the same time and let it go to see total destruction.

Bankai

Looks nice, but I highly doubt it’ll be possible on your everyday internet connection. Not to mention that even if it were possible over normal wifi, it’d really only be utilized by a handful of first party studios, as it wouldn’t be cost effective for third parties to build cloud specific features for a single platform.

http://hitman42.tumblr.com/ Tyrelle Watts

in a way you are wrong microsoft is providing the servers, it is up to the devs tho. if they want to throw the lighting and ai onto the cloud to free up those resources for better graphics rendering.

Gamez Rule

Or just place the game into Gaikai and not haveing any need for freeing up those resources☺

http://hitman42.tumblr.com/ Tyrelle Watts

They certainly could do that, but that defeats the purpose of having a powerful console. Heck they could do that and you could play in 4k.

Gamez Rule

While MS shows off the power of the cloud on their perfect isolated environment back in 2012 Crysis 2 was running at 1080p at extreme settings using Gaikai ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcZNrBjdpv4 ) skip to 2:50 for game start.

LGK

That’s just streaming the game, not rendering it..

Gamez Rule

LMAO!, Why only render, when you can do a whole lot more, like play a whole game on a browser☺

willhe

dumbfuck streaming is not that impressive, computing is. do you even know what your punk ass is bragging about? since you are obviously stupid let me explain how it works. all you are doing is sending the button press information upstream. what comes back a video. its like watching twitch but your button presses doing the work. im not knocking gaikai at all just all the homo ponies who think streaming and computing is the same

Gamez Rule

Sony confirmed that Gaikai can do cloud computing too, as well as full cloud processing☺

willhe

sony said a lot of shit but thats not gaikai was and never has been. sony bought them for their streaming services. but to your point and what pisses me off about ponygirls. sony said we can do cloud processing too. right? so why do sony bitches downplay it from microsoft. purely just to be hypocritical bitches nothing more nothing less

Gamez Rule

“So why do sony bitches downplay it from microsoft” = Because all MS shows us is a building being blow up while Sony shows us games being played from their cloud services☺

willhe

streaming is not that impressive im sorry. whats so hard to understand the difference?

Gamez Rule

IF you think that HAWKEN multiplayer that’s being played simultaneously by gamers from a tablet while being (projected onto an ultra HD screen) while also using a television at the same time only being powered by Gaikai isn’t impressive then there is no help for ya☺

PCS4-Box U

You do know that Sony already stated their cloud service can be used for rendering right? I think it’s cool that Microsoft is pushing it forward as I could see some practical applications for this tech. I still want to see how it works in real world setting and I won’t be delusional and think it’s going to super power Xbox or anything but I can see it loosening the noose a little. On a side note since we’re talking about cloud, got me psnow beta code today! Sadly, they are very serious about the nda so I cant discuss details but peoples minds are going to be blown! It’s…wow!

Gamez Rule

Exactly.

Also does your account get signed out when loading from PS-Now, then back in when finished loading?

PCS4-Box U

Yep… Not sure why it does that though. Validating account maybe? Idk.

Gamez Rule

Cool. Not just me then☺

corvusmd

When Gakai was doing this, MS was streaming Halo 4 to a phone with less latency that most online games. You’re right that the comparison isn’t a true comparison, but the side that you are on is the wrong side of it. The physics that the MS demo is pulling on high end PCs is MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH more demanding than anything you’ve seen in that Gaikai demo

Gamez Rule

Not at all. Azure does partial cloud processing while Gaikai does full cloud processing. Gaikai allows you to play PS3 games even though you do not have a PS3 console. Standalone you can play highest end PC graphical games on laptops / notebook because Gaikai cloud does 100 percent of the processing.

corvusmd

Uh get your facts straight bud. In this case, yes it would be rendering PART of the game to add onto and existing game, but nevertheless, it’s MUCH more computations that streaming Crysis over the net. That being said, Halo 4 was NOT installed on the phone, it was being streamed completely and wholly to the phone, so I don’t know why you are insisting it was doing only part of it. Azure cloud can process full games to devices, not to mention that MS also owns other servers that can do the same thing. More to the point, your comparison is invalid. If Gakai did this back in 2012 and it’s so wonderful, where is it? The amount of processing power in doing something like this makes playing Crysis look like old tech.

shinitaru

“That being said, Halo 4 was NOT installed on the phone, it was being streamed completely and wholly to the phone

That’s not any great accomplishment, nor would this be if it were only being streamed from a remote server. We already have examples of that in operation. Onlive was rocking that 3 years ago.

corvusmd

I wasn’t saying that to brag, I was only pointing it out because he brought up streaming Crysis.

So while Albert Penello, stated “Azure cloud servers could be more complicated things like rendering full games like a Gaikai we just have to figure out how” Sony are already doing it with games… Not buildings☺

corvusmd

Dude you’ve lost sight of the bigger picture. This demo shows a TON more power than simply streaming a game to a device. Step back and look at it.
EVEN IF the simulation on both systems ran at a steady 32 fps and it didn’t brick the PC sim down to 2fps (has playing Crysis done that on a moderate to high end pc?) The cloud based processing should be seen as ADDITIONAL processing power at little to no cost to the original device…in essence that would mean that this demo created a system with nearly double the processing power being as the home device would only have to process things needed immediately, and allow for the cloud based process to filter in. However, that isn’t what happened. The exact same simulation nearly killed the stand alone PC while it ran smooth and fast on the cloud based side….in THAT essence that would be adding 16x the processing power (I know it doesn’t work that way so we’ll knock it down to 8 times). Now I’m not delusional enough to believe that esp early on that will be the norm or anything. This is a closed demo, but so was the Crysis demo (not sure why you are so negative and unbelieving about one, yet so sure about the other)….is running Crysis through Gaikai streaming 8xs more powerful? Or even 2 times?

Gamez Rule

“The cloud based processing should be seen as ADDITIONAL processing power at little to no cost to the original device” = same a gaikai did back in 2008, and what PS-Now is doing in 2014 by running a PS3 game on a vita.

“is running Crysis through Gaikai streaming 8xs more powerful? Or even 2 times” = Yes. You can play Crysis 2 on extreme settings using a notebook / laptop or in some cases just a TV☺

corvusmd

Who said notebook or laptop…we are talking about the PCs they were using at this demo….at least if you want a fair comparison that is what you’d use. This simulation ran on these computers…if Crysis 2 could brick these computers down to 2 fps, then you may have a point…till then, you’re just assuming.

Gamez Rule

Fact is Gaikai don’t need a PC or console to play games at ultra extreme game settings. All it needs is an internet connect and a TV as shown years ago.

Dude, you’re still not getting it at all. Like medicine for the dead. Fine have fun with Gaikai…I’m sure that it too will be great…I have no issues with it at all. Your bias has you blind to other amazing tech advances…bringing up Gaikai in this Convo just makes you look like a fanboy desperate to downplay any tech advances that MS pushes. Gaikai doesn’t belong in this Convo at all…it’s not the same thing, nor is it even remotely as demanding as this tech demo. You should be excited about this if you’re a gamer.

Gamez Rule

Say whatever you like but what Ive shown is the now. So while MS shows people fu*k all about cloud power. Sony confirmed that can do cloud computing as well as full cloud processing using Gaikai / PS-Now.

http://hitman42.tumblr.com/ Tyrelle Watts

again full cloud processing is still done in the cloud. 100% nothing is rendered locally. so in reality you don’t need to buy a ps4, what’s the use if it can stream straight to your tv?

do you see it yet? do you? i don’t think so because your brain is to clouded.

let me see if i can put it so you can understand. you have bf4 on the ps4 and xbox one. bf4 takes advantage of azure for the xbox one. now with that scenerio you start destruction of buildings and on the ps4 it drops to 15 fps even with all the local power the ps4 can muster. then on the xbox side you’re locked in at 30 fps.

thats about as good as i can try to make you see. no doubt if this works you’ll see and hear sony talking about it more.

Gamez Rule

Ok, Think of this for one minute.. Gamers don’t care how it works as long as it does.

Example = A piss poor TABLET playing a game on a Ultra HD Screen using gaikai which is running approximately 60 fps.

This tech already allows gamers the better choice when compared to Azure ( as it’s working now and has been since 2008 ) as shown already in the video above. No need to worry about how to play the game as long as you can play the games.

Why would developers use Azure when ANY internet device will use this Gaikai service for gamers to play games from Sony as well as movies, ( Netflix proved it works )

Now remember you’re not just playing games but you can also swap from one piece of hardware to another ( TV to Vita OR PS4 to Vita OR PS4 to TV OR Vita to PS3, OR Tablet to PS4 ) you get the picture. So it doesn’t matter to the gamers if games are streaming or using local computing as long as games are brought to the table for gamers to play without problems☺

http://hitman42.tumblr.com/ Tyrelle Watts

Maybe so but still less impressive then this, because all that horsepower is not needed.

Example what if i don’t have a good internet connection, or what will i do if don’t have internet connection. Same things you all harp about xbox will apply to gaikai streaming.

Gamez Rule

Good and bad internet connections effect everything online so gaikai and azure will be effected. But you knew that☺

http://hitman42.tumblr.com/ Tyrelle Watts

but again you are only streaming, what processing can you do on just your tv? do you really think you can play crisis on your tv with no processing at all locally?

that’s what this is all about, streaming=no local computing at all.
cloud computing= offloading processes to the cloud to free up local services.

try to wrap your little brain around it.

Gamez Rule

Wrap your brain around this, gamers don’t care how it works as long as it does, and so far all MS have shown people is how the AI in Titanfall is dumb and poor at best using their cloud, while also seeing that the game starts pixelating all over the place while using their cloud. ( Or how a building falling hits 32FPS )☺ in a controlled environment.

Yet Sony gamers ( while just using a TV or a Vita ) was playing games with NO problems at all and not needing any hardware as such allowing the gamer to play the games ( as if it was on their console ) even when their hardware wouldn’t have been able to play that game at those settings. ( See Crysis 2 above on extreme settings )

So it doesn’t matter if a games streaming or using local computing as long as games are brought to the table for gamers to play ( something Sony is doing now )

http://hitman42.tumblr.com/ Tyrelle Watts

The ai in titanfall isn’t supposed to be overwhelmingly strong, they are there as fillers to distract you from other pilots.

Actually you just don’t see the overall impact this has on all gaming. Sony not talking about it because they aren’t invested in it.

But if they are able to stream ps4 games to tablets, phones, the vita, then what’s the purpose of actually buying a ps4 in the future? Oh and guess what, that will require that you basically be online all the time always connected.

Gamez Rule

Same as titanfall that you basically have to be online all the time always connected. Hence why I stated “gamers don’t care how it works as long as it does” So your point is?

corvusmd

Keep in mind that Sony bought Gaikai…they didn’t make them, and it was back in 2010 I believe…streaming games has been around for a while and Gaikai isn’t the only one to do it, and they weren’t the first. Bringing up Gaikai in this converstaion only makes you look like a fanboy, it doesn’t really belong here because it’s not the same thing really…it’s apples and oranges…or in this case a cloud based Apple tree against an Orange from 2012

http://hitman42.tumblr.com/ Tyrelle Watts

your are pretty stupid. streaming like as in netflix that’s what gaikai is doing, the same thing onlive tried to do. that was their business model. sony brought them because they were streaming playstation games, if they weren’t streaming playstation games sony probably would have never brought them.

and halo wasn’t made for the phone so what are you saying, you are not saying much.

what i do see from your comments is that while sony is showing a streaming service in action, that is not the same as showing gaikai cloud to have constant framerate while doing advanced physics calculations.

http://hitman42.tumblr.com/ Tyrelle Watts

just a quick reply. that’s what they built their service to do. microsoft on the other hand was mainly supplying to enterprises, realizes they could use azure to offload some console instructions.

True_Fan

MSFT has proved the cloud is real, now the ps4 fans have moved to the next excuse, internet connection. You guys just have to downplay anything MSFT and XB1 does.

superkarma

Internet connection is not an excuse — it’s the reality. A reality that has been talked about since the very start of Microsoft’s buzzword marketing. This has already been proven by industry leaders time and time again.

Instead of taking everything Microsoft spoon-feeds you at face value, perhaps you should do your own research and learn a thing or two.

True_Fan

Then once they announce you only need 10mbps down 3 up, what are you guys going to move on to.

superkarma

I won’t need to worry about that, because in order to achieve something like this, you’ll need much, much more than that.

Batnut1992

Another thing to consider is the threat of Net Neutrality from the likes of Verizon and Comcast. I mean if they start charging for heavier uses of Bandwidth than, I can imagine that something like the cloud would seriously jack up the price.

shinitaru

Nowhere but I will only believe it when I see it. BTW, the average connection in the US is less the 7 up 1.5 down and that isn’t even a stable connection. do you think that MS is only going to make games for the 1-2% of the world with fiber optic connections?

You are flat out wrong

Now the Xbot resorts to fanfiction.

Xbone is shit.

shinitaru

Internet connection was always the problem, Nvidia has had a closed system like this in operation for years

LGK

Well it’s just a prototype, but I wonder if they can use Tiled Resources somehow combined with cloud.

And I wonder what happens when you lose connection lol.

shinitaru

You’re making my point for me. Same thing with this, what happens when you lose connection or even drop a few packets?

And Tiled Resources? WTF are you going on about? Maybe if we sprinkle some fairy dust from Never Never land….

LGK

I’m not trying to argue with you the thing I said about Tiled Resources was more of a question, I don’t even know if it’s possible to do it with cloud. Tiled Resources is a real thing, do you even pay attention? Why are you so defensive all of a sudden? Did your fanboy instincts kick in?

Gamez Rule

“Cloud computing cannot be used for real-time jobs, something Microsoft has admitted.What it could be used for though are large datasets that are non-time-critical and can be downloaded in advance to the HDD”

shinitaru

Naw, it was my bullsh*t alarm going off. I know what tiled resources are but I wonder if you do or is it just something you throw into the topic when all else has failed?

LGK

No I was actually looking for an answer to that and hoped maybe you could answer it, but instead you replied with a childish response. I see now you have nothing positive to contribute with.

shinitaru

I did answer the question, you just didn’t like what I had to say. Let me dumb it down for you. Tiled Resources is simply a method by which rendering is concentrated on the area of focus. It has nothing at all to do with the cloud. If anything, it would slow down cloud processing since it would need make calls one the remote server every time you panned the scene

So do I, but what about latency? Cable is notorious for high pings. That’s the problem with cloud processing, it has to connect for each process both up and down.

But aside from that roadblock, do you think that connections like ours are the norm for most users? Do you think that MS is just going to make game for people like us with lots of bandwidth from now on?

Gamez Rule

We know the cloud is real as Sony has Gaikai ( up and running ) while MS shows off buildings☺

You are flat out wrong

Yeah, “da clawd is real,” that’s why it’s only been shown off in closed environments at trade shows.

Come on, Xbots, at least some show evidence you’re able to think critically.

You are flat out wrong

“Da clawd.” Game changer! In ten years.

You Xscum should be thanking us, we made the Xbone a better console than it had any right to be.

Gannicus

I think with cloud based stuff theres obviously bandwidth issues and latency etc but I think the main problem could be what if some strange coincidence 3 million X1’s were on the exact part and it needed to render this for 3 million consoles. what would happen then?

Jecht_Sin

That each console would get 1/10 of a server power, which translates to nothing indeed.

Gannicus

think the hurdle is still real time…. its obviously a good start for MS whether other companies have done it before or not MS’s solution still needs to evolve etc and in the future most stuff will prolly be cloud based, not 5 years, not even 10 years, realistically 20 years with the slow broadband infrastructure uptake across some European coutries and archaic and anti technological bandwidth caps in America or Canada its not really viable to do full cloud based stuff, I know this is a small bit but in the future most stuff will be cloud based just needs a display link to whatever your using client end etc

http://hitman42.tumblr.com/ Tyrelle Watts

here’s a simple reminder. how many people had broadband internet when the 360 or ps3 came out? not many. now how many people have broadband internet?

i think internet speeds will get faster sooner then you think. since the want us to be in a connected world, they want your coffee machine, fridge, stove, basically your whole house connected to the internet.

take at&t digital life i think that’s what it is called. they say you can turn off your lights, unlock the door, arm or disarm alarm, turn on/off water, turn on/off oven.

people who pick sides and defend it are pathetic, if the cloud can render a whole game at 60 fps then yes the cloud can do these computes easily get over it and yourselves …

shinitaru

Different technology, services like Gaikai and Onlive are merely streaming videos of a game running on a remote server. Netflix could do it. Only thing going up is the control instructions. But cloud processing is different, it is outsourcing local processes to the network, running them on the server then sending them back to your machine, heavy bandwidth would be required both ways and then the local machine would still need to use resources to integrate them seamlessly into the game.

Gamist

I feel like I’m watching a magic show where some will say “whoa…” while others say “smoke and mirrors, man.”

It’s impressive yes, like all things however this thing needs to be tested in real world scenarios – internet stability seems crucial for this to work effectively and I just don’t think we’re there yet.

Red Foxx

They need to show this in a real time gaming application with other things going on and rendering in the background. Promising though…

Jecht_Sin

I would love to know the bandwidth and the latency of the connection between the PC and the “Cloud”. Still I have to agree that even if the remote servers were on a Ethernet or dedicated fiber connection as a “proof of concept” it would do. Not that it would be practical on the Internet, though.

shinitaru

Come on, the fact that they don’t say, says it all. If it were anything but local, they would have spent the entire presentation bragging about it.

Jecht_Sin

Sure. A real (scientific) presentation would have studied how the fps vary changing at least the latency, let’s say from 0.1ms to 200ms. Bandwidth in this case shouldn’t be much important, since the remote servers are sending small data for each piece.

As well as they should talk about the efficiency. To go from 2 to 32 fps the Cloud needs to allocate at least 15x the PC power. Was it 15? or 50? Let’s not forget that lower the efficiency much higher the cost.

shinitaru

“Bandwidth in this case shouldn’t be much important, since the remote servers are sending small data for each piece”

But actually that is the biggest problem, the number of times that it has to send and receive, the latency of each exchange of data is larger issue than the sustained bandwidth of the connection. It is was only required to connect once, like with normal streaming of video or games, it could take its time to connect, then the connection speed would be the only issue.

Eagles83

To be honest every demo ever has always been local so there is no reason to assume this one would have been any different.

Winston

awesome cant wait for it to be in a retail xbox one game

async2013

Maybe by 2030 not in your generation pal

JumpIf NotZero

You’re trying too hard.

async2013

hahaha so much Microsoft spin here i cant help but laugh. Enjoy this feature 20 years from now.
What they dont say speaks louder than what you can see spun on your screens now

JamesSB

This feature is already in use.

willhe

or enjoy now? what will you do when sony says hey look we got cloud computing too. what will punk ass ponygirl like yourself say then. stop being bitches and just embrace new tech its a good thing.

… LOL that anyone would want to downplay the significance or be mad that MS showed a proof of concept of cloud computing…. I’ll be really curious of all these reasons “Cloud Won’t Work” the day Sony shows something regarding cloud compute.

shinitaru

I’m sure that it comforts you to think that, but this is just the reality of the technology. This is not really anything positive or negative, it is a proof of concept running in a perfect environment.
Believe what you like, but you will not see this implemented in any games in this or maybe not even in the next generation

You are flat out wrong

Because aside from demos at conventions there’s nothing to suggest this is positive in any way?

Lmao u got to admit this is funny i’m sure theres an Xbot one out there somewhere.

Cultofpersonality84

The guy who made this video sounds like fox7 from IGN.

You are flat out wrong

How to be an Xbot loser.

Thats Mr. Smoove

dude, don’t take it personal. wait, you weren’t mentioned specifically? wait? did you just expose yourself as a Pony? If you’re not a fanboy then you’re not offended. I didn’t make the vid I just Shared it.

You are flat out wrong

Maybe if Quatman had anything worth making a video about, he wouldn’t be scraping the barrel. I know! He could do one about the massive layoffs MS have started. Oh wait, he doesn’t do videos about that because it makes him butt flustered.

Axe99

I’m still interested in how much it’s going to cost to run these machines in the cloud. A virtual private server with pretty mediocre specs (sub PS4/XB1) costs non-negligible dollars to run on a monthly basis. Until I know how Microsoft plans to get their money back, I’m going to hold off getting excited.

Gannicus

I think atm the cloud will only help to someat processing power that’s lacking… for example think of it like an AMD APU, and amd integrated gfx can be paired up with compatible discrete GPU’s for xfire, id say compatible GPU’s slightly cus they cant pair say an apu 6850D with a 280x with mantle cus that may create 290 level performance, they have be careful what they match it up with but in terms of X1 it would be like the chip on there + “xfiring” the clouds processing power and some of nvidias cloud processing units with like think it was like 6-8 titans in althought costing $50,000 per unit is pretty steep. compared to the X1’s processing power having say 8 Titans in there would be 30-40x the X1 power, possibly just dragging figures out of my bum but your know what I mean and having that in some massive technical feat “xfiring” X1’s with the cloud at some point could be quite interesting.

Only theory not saying it is true cus who knows cus ya never know what MS are doing cus there soooo good at telling ppl stuff

In case you didn’t get it AMD APU’s are open to xfiring so maybe that’s what MS are getting at for the future if the internet infrastructure is there could xfire the GPU with the cloud…. sounds mental but might just work

Axe99

It’s an interesting idea but I suspect the data transfer rate over the internet wouldn’t be near enough to support Xfire (AMD) or SLI (Nvidia) style pairings, but you never know? The issue is that, at the end of the day, the speed of light is the speed of light, and that’s as quick as things get (at least at this stage – when/if we break the light barrier, there’ll be bigger changes than faster GPUs and internets, lol).

mikeslemonadeFromN4G

If this is viable then PS4 and PC will also do it. However I’m a old school gamer and i prefer all the computation to happen on the set-top box. This won’t be viable because games are multiplat form and only the exclusives will take advantage of this. In which case Microsoft has the shortest list of exclusives. Maybe next generation but not this generation.

seg84

you’re a hater

Gannicus

I think atm the cloud will only help to someat processing power that’s lacking… for example think of it like an AMD APU, and amd integrated gfx can be paired up with compatible discrete GPU’s for xfire, id say compatible GPU’s slightly cus they cant pair say an apu 6850D with a 280x with mantle cus that may create 290 level performance, they have be careful what they match it up with but in terms of X1 it would be like the chip on there + “xfiring” the clouds processing power and some of nvidias cloud processing units with like think it was like 6-8 titans in althought costing $50,000 per unit is pretty steep. compared to the X1’s processing power having say 8 Titans in there would be 30-40x the X1 power, possibly just dragging figures out of my bum but your know what I mean and having that in some massive technical feat “xfiring” X1’s with the cloud at some point could be quite interesting.

Only theory not saying it is true cus who knows cus ya never know what MS are doing cus there soooo good at telling ppl stuff

mikeslemonadeFromN4G

I saw it. What I got was you won’t see this at a large scale this generation. We want boxes to keep getting stronger instead of relying on external sources. That’s the only way to get hardware cheaper and stronger.

Gannicus

that’s not entirely true unless sony has a very good deal in place GDDR5 will only be getting more expensive because we should be moving to GDDR6 very soon cus its took gddr5 to long to get where its at… well its hard to say if the new 20nm incorporate GDDR6 GDDR5 is screwed cus as GDDR6 ramps up in production and get cheaper GDDR5 ramps down and gets mor expensive because less if produced. so its base on when gddr6 is realesed + 1 year for it to ramp up

mikeslemonadeFromN4G

well they have sold over 7mil PS4s in 5 months. So ddr5 is gonna be viable. 7mil might be a small number for console sales but for consumer electronics that should drop the price down as production becomes more feasible.

Gannicus

ummm no GDDR5 on PC graphics cards is why your GDDR5 in the PS4 is so cheap and has bin used for years, everything uses it from a $70 offering to a $3000 (titan Z) its go absolutely nothing to do with the PS4, the pS4 was originally going to have 4GB… don’t listen to any of sony BS cus it was something to do with a brerakthrough of manufacturing technique allowed it to produce higher density ram and PS4 had to redesigned slightly to incorporate 8GB in it and that’s why every PS4 is sold at a loss cus the extra 4GB lead to a loss, only a small one though but if the PS4 had only 4GB of GDDR5, what do you think the outcome of the gfx would be???? they got very very lucky and most ppl in the industry said the same. There going be looking into 3D stacked DRAM for PS5 that’s why they’ve bought nintendos DRAM factories, wouldn’t be doing that if they thought ram ewasnt important!!!! oh Samsung built 3D stacked DRAM last year so don’t think its a sony exclusive btw cus much much far technical companies build this stuff to be used in other ppl hardware… not trolling its a fact

shinitaru

How’s your piece of sh*t computer holding up? Have you had to OC it yet so it will run Angry Birds?

Gannicus

yeah man can run star wars version now… saw your comments last time and my posts I was really drunk but ya know not everyone has happy days, sorry if me feeling rubbish impacted ya day, just felt like blowing steam off….

mikeslemonadeFromN4G

Well in that case whatever modification or version they making their ram it’s going to get cheaper because they’re gonna sell over 100 mil by the end of this generation.
And it it doesn’t then if you account for other parts of the system that will get cheaper as well. And I’m more talking about next generation because this generation is already won by PS4. If we want stronger next gen systems they need to focus on the local hardware to make it cheaper.

Gannicus

DDR4 is out this year so system ram will be pushing 100-110GB/s system ram, GDDR6 not sure what the limits are on that but with nividida Pascal (2016) there putting stacked dram on the GPU allowing upto 1TB/s of gfx bandwidth virtual unified memory, cpu can access GDDR and GPU can access syetme ram simultaneousnly also through nvlink they want PCIe to go from 16GB/s to 80-192GB/s and working with intel to do this etc, PS4 I t think cpu to gpu is 30GB/s which is more tha a PC…. you can laugh all you want…. shout misterx…. what do you think is possibly going be in the PS5???? im sorry but you PS fanboys need this tech to reamin rlelevant if you stuck to the architecture you got in ps4 and didn’t adapt, you;l; drop to the last 20% of anything… sony will be looking to incoroparate this stuff so be happy

k j

Devs are sure to put this to good use. It allows for a much richer world. Ps4 is just going to end up putting out watered dowN multiplats and exclusives that don’t have rich environments.

k j

MS has spent tens of billions on server farms and infrastructure. Sony can’t do this cause they don’t have the money. Creating an azure network for sony would really bankrupt them. Their cloud is just for streaming the golden oldies. Ps4 fans will have to be content with what they got.

shinitaru

Which is still more than MS is giving you since they don’t even have any “Golden Oldies” to stream and cloud rendering is just a pipe dream.

Content? Yeah, I think I can live with that..

k j

Watch out sony defense force is here! Get the hoses.

shinitaru

Typical, can’t dispute what I’m saying so you attempt to mock me. I’m not trying to defend Sony, they don’t need my help

k j

Of course your defending them. That’s why your so bitter.

shinitaru

read my history, then cry me a river, fanbot. I understand the technology behind this, all you have is wishful thinking

k j

Naw. It’s just a bunch of angry comments. Won’t waste my time. Besides who should I believe? A random angry fanboy or actual tech demos from a reputable company with a proven track record? That ones obvious. Now run along.

shinitaru

Won’t bother trying to prove it to you, you’ll find out for yourself soon enough. Too bad you’re such a moron, you wouldn’t need to take anyone’s word for it, you would know for yourself
pathetic

Way to upvote yourself whenever you post. Makes you look so believable lol.

shinitaru

wha? I don’t care about upvotes

k j

You upvoted yourself again. Congrats.

shinitaru

I already told you, I don’t care about the votes.

shinitaru

But its cute that you took the time to come back and check after all this time, you must really miss me ;D

superkarma

That was me, by the way. I had a feeling it would upset you…mission accomplished.

shinitaru

LMAO. Just wait, he’ll accuse us of being the same person

k j

Lol sure buddy. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

JerkDaNERD7

Prove it to me, I can take an honest debate fairly well. but given my past comments with you, you clearly divert from any relevant facts and post rinse and repeat comment like KJ fanboy here and not so hilarious gifs.

shinitaru

Not going to take the time to debate it with you but if you want to go over what I’ve already posted, then here:

There’s really no debating it anyway, this is the reality of it whether you want to accept it or not. I’m past the point of caring

Gannicus

maybe they don’t need golden oldies if there planning on enhancing todays generation, what would you prefer? youd prolly prefer the goldens but I think many ppl would prefer enhancing todays generations.. MS could spend $20billion on thes egfx farms and shrug it off, if sony did that theyd be shutting up shop cus theyd be bankrupt its a very very big difference

shinitaru

Sounds great, if it were possible. I guarantee you, none of this will change anything for this generation, maybe not even the next.

k j

SDF spotted.

shinitaru

whatever you need to tell yourself

k j

The butthurt is strong with this one.

shinitaru

yeah, whatever

superkarma

And yet, those 300,000 severs of theirs are almost entirely virtual servers.

JerkDaNERD7

WRONG! Those are actual servers buddy. Even if it is virtual servers , still need a lot of and very expensive infrastructure to spin those servers up. Ask yourself why hasn’t Sony been building servers.

superkarma

Actually, I’m right. Some are actual physical servers, but a good majority of them are simply virtual servers. And no, you do not need a very expensive infrastructure to spin virtual servers up. That’s the entire reason to use virtual servers, because it’s cheaper than building server farms.

Sony has been building servers, but it’s silly to put that much effort into it, as the “cloud” will never amount to anything…at least not for many, many years. Not only that, but Sony could easily just use someone else’s servers, such as Amazon. Amazon has a bigger and better server infrastructure than Microsoft’s Azure anyway.

JerkDaNERD7

Amazon? what does Amazon have anything to with this. They don’t have dedicated servers for games specifically. I’m glad we have a company like Microsoft with deep pockets who can push the industry further. Also take into account Microsoft’s “Univsersal Apps”? Wow things are changing and for the better.

Hope Amazon and Google get’s in seriously. But doubt Sony will be capable to compete at that level.

Either way, you really are stating misinformation. Microsoft has been building servers EVERYWHERE. Second largest only to Amazon and still growing. Sony is NOT building servers, your comment is so full of crap it’s not even worth considering. Either your misinformed or just full of crap.

superkarma

And you think Microsoft’s Azure servers are built specifically for games? Lol, talk about misinformation. Azure servers are enterprise servers, built with corporations and the like in mind. Just because the servers are not built for games specifically doesn’t mean they can’t be used for games. Amazon’s servers are far better and larger than Microsoft’s and if Sony wanted to, they could easily use them for the PS4.

Microsoft can build all the servers they want. It won’t make a difference on the console consumer end of things. The consumers internet connection and latency are the important things when talking about cloud computing…not the amount of server farms a company has. Also, yes, Sony is in fact building servers. How do you think GaiKai will function? How do you think PS Now will function? When Sony bought GaiKai, they acquired all of their servers.

Please, either learn what you’re talking about or don’t bother hitting that reply button.

JerkDaNERD7

When did I ever claim Azure is built specifically for Xbox Live?! Never.

I know it’s for their enterprise products and software. You pretty much started an argument I never claimed. You LOVE playing ‘how low can ya go’, huh?

Sony is NOT building servers. I know that for a fact. Probably renting em’, yes. But don’t lie to yourself that they are, LOL! Internet connection are increasing every year, they had a demographics proving that and it’s only natural for it to be, like anything technology. Your intentions are clear, whatever IS a Microsoft benefit your clearly going to denounce it’s progress no matter what. You have NOTHING relevant to say, which begs the question….why are you on an Xbox article? Sony’s PS4 success doesn’t need your defence force. You don’t see me on Ps4 articles spreading misinformation, do you?!

It’s very sad that your on here, your delusional and need to refrain from the keyboard until you know how to state points worth mentioning.

I get it, you know everything about Microsoft. You’ve developed the servers, you know the emerging markets and it’s new industries ahead of us and I believe internet connections won’t get better in the next 2-3 years. You know Microsoft is NOT developing ANY good games, and even if they do see some success and make a great game….it’s still not good enough. Microsoft will go bankrupt and sell off it’s Xbox Division, it’s clear as day right? Cloud will do NOTHING compared to streaming, even though it requires lower bandwidth useage than game streaming with lower data packets required. But you know ALL of this right and state points considering ALL of this. Great job buddy, your proving yourself useful.

superkarma

*yawn*

By the way, I stopped reading after “Sony is NOT building servers. I know that for a fact.”

If you know it for a fact, prove it. Until then, I’ll continue laughing at you, fanboy.

http://hitman42.tumblr.com/ Tyrelle Watts

i know sony just spent what 200 million to purchase gaikai, how much have they gotten back out of that deal so far?

http://hitman42.tumblr.com/ Tyrelle Watts

so if its not going to be anything why wait to invest when it does so to say explode? you’ll be behind everyone then.

Nintendo Fan 4 Lif3

Okay, I’m actually impressed.

JerkDaNERD7

You and a few who can look pass doubt and see it’s true potential.

You are flat out wrong

“Potential.” Once again, that’s all you Xbots have. It’s been a bad day for you.

S Evans

so… for those that don’t appreciate the amazing magic of the cloud, your internet becomes a cable to connect you to better computers…..yawn…. they have that in their labs? Boys give me a lab, a 3D Voodoo gfx card and a Kinect and I shall provide a TITAN! Also, put your hand up if you think using their super (HP) machines via the internet to boost your piece of crap xbox one so it works as it should do…will be priced a) free b) reasonable or c) Microsoft

Trebla Remark

Most of you are missing the big picture here, this isn’t about helping weaker PC’s perform up to par with higher end PC’s. Imagine a high end PC with the assistance of the cloud and what it could be capable of. It’s not doing all of the work but instead lightening the load so therefore the PC can perform even more tasks, so essentially pushing the high end PC beyond its capable limits

DemonFenton

All Cloud is an buzzword. Cloud is great for streaming movies/games and storage. What makes an machine aka PC or console powerful is the hardware in. Soldered onto the Mobo or not is what devs can or can’t get out of. I just don’t The Cloud turning one console into an powerful PC with say 16 gigs of memory, 8+ cores and a video card that’s better than a GEForce GTX Titan Black.

You are flat out wrong

Very true. Unfortunately Xbots have no games to play and the very real prospect of an underpowered console irrelevant by next year so they have to play up “potential” and “teased games” and “Wait for E3!” It’s pretty pathetic.

Jamie Lawler

I am actually starting to feel guilty about the enjoyment I get from reading playstation nerds sulking,just like this joker above!

shinitaru

I know what you mean, I occasionally get a perverse satisfaction in the way that Xbots thrash about trying to deny the facts that are presented to them. I feel bad about it once in a while but then I rmember that they are Xbox fanboys, its not like I’m performing medical experiments or something on lab rats or any other creature for which you could actually feel pity or remorse

JerkDaNERD7

You’ve proven all of our points with your comment, I bough out. You win.

shinitaru

You say that as if it were some kind of accomplishment….

You are flat out wrong

What’s to sulk about? Laughing at MS spin? This is nearly as laughable as MS’ “2.7 million minutes!” guff a few days ago.

Jamie Lawler

Thank you for providing even more enjoyment. Man you’re like the gift that just keeps on giving haha

You are flat out wrong

And I can happily say the same for your submoronic Xbot friends.

BuckRogers87

except you don’t have to see a doctor to get rid of this turd.

JerkDaNERD7

Exactly, kinda sad isn’t it.

http://hitman42.tumblr.com/ Tyrelle Watts

actually take a program like photoshop that can basically be ran from a tablet doing cloud computing. see you dumb people don’t realize that with the so called power of the cloud which can grow over time unlike console hardware, is there to supplement the existing hardware.

now take in all the calculations that the cloud can do that’ll bog down the system locally, those resources are free from local computations allowing for better graphics to be produced. remember your physics run thru the gpu also.

DemonFenton

Your still going to need good hardware no matter what. If the hardware is crap than soffware isn’t going to do anything. All cloud is an buzzword for gaming. It’s great for STORAGE and STREAMING. It’s not going to boost the console graphics to the point of it beating out it’s competitor or even an PC with that I just laid out. I know about the GPU problem is a major software update or boost won’t make up for the hardware’s GPU on consoles.

Here’s the cloud for gaming major Achilles’s heel. Internet connection. The big cities and some big time video game journalist have great connection. When you say get out to the other parts of the US or better yet even the world, the cloud power gets weaken. It’s like a stack of dominoes you bog down the servers and than people on the receiving end feels it. Why you think people were mad when MS original plans with the Xbox One, 24/7 internet connection it required and some people who games have spotty internet.

http://hitman42.tumblr.com/ Tyrelle Watts

Ah but check in could be done with cell phone acting as a hotspot. Learn something. You simply don’t understand the more devices require internet the faster isps will have to roll out.

DemonFenton

You had to check in before the 180 by the machine itself. Even than you STILL needed the 24/7 connection. I am saying right now many people just don’t have those extremely fast speeds in some areas. Your one of those who believes Cloud gaming will save the Xbox One. The thing is not everyone living in the US or all over the world have great internet and thus part of the reason why MS had to swap 180.

Actually, bandwidth is the least of their problem, latency is the real killer

You are flat out wrong

Xbots so desperate for good news they resort to a second controlled demo for tech that hasn’t been practically demonstrated in an actual game in a meaningful way other than with bad AI.

benbenkr

Issue no.1
“Running on a high-end machine…”
Says the presenter twice, but never bothered to disclose the specs of the “high-end” machine. Lol. Yeah, for all I know it could be running on a 7770. Because, WHO KNOWs right?!

So now MS is going to use this to institute DRM by stealth in a few years, rather than being used as an figleaf to cover for DRM. Interesting. Also: very unwanted.

Gamez Rule

We all know that MS wants to offload computational tasks onto the cloud so that the hardware doesn’t have to use it, but you still need decent hardware to play games ( Look at Titanfall on Xbone and you see what I mean )

Now computational power of the cloud will undoubtedly grow, meaning there is no doubt that as time goes on, software that takes advantage of the cloud computing which will perform better as the cloud becomes more powerful. ( but here is the thing Xbots forget ) Azure is NOT only usable by MS as it’s open to others, so what is to stop Sony using Azure LMAO!

While on the other hand Sony using Gaikai has proven you don’t need decent hardware at all, which is better than needing hardware IMO.

Gaikai has proven this fact in the past while running games from a tablet while also being projected onto an ultra HD screen that games can be played with just using a low quality hardware product ( even to just using a TV for extreme game settings )

Now MS stated they could push the Xbone further beyond the system specs when using the Azure Cloud System, BUT that’s what Sony and Gaikai have already been doing ( without decent hardware ) for years.

Example look at PS3 games running on Vita, or when Sony stated….. “PS Now will allow users to engage in the world of PlayStation, whether they’re existing fans or have never owned a PlayStation platform”…. Hell even Beyond: Two Souls, and God of War:Ascension was running on a TV using only PS-Now / Gaikai.

So what I’m thinking is this. Why wait for Azure and all of Microsoft promises while Sony using Gaikai technologically allows gamers to play games no matter what hardware they own.

What happens when I get a momentary disconnection on my network or lag? Does even my single player game have to crash on the spot?
How can any dev programme that kind of performance into a game having no idea whether any given consumer will have the network to support continuous cloud streaming?

You are flat out wrong

You go back to PS1 era pixels. Get hype, the golden years are coming back.

See sony fans just seem to think its only sonys way or no way. Some how they feel entitled.

3rdworldgamer

you need to have a solid internet connection to avail the power of the cloud (if indeed this will be possible at all). coming from a 3rd world country such as myself where internet speeds are not that good (you have to pay a fortune to avail a stable & fast internet speed), the power of the cloud is pretty much pointless for someone like me.

http://hitman42.tumblr.com/ Tyrelle Watts

ifyou don’t have stable internet take that up with your isp.

Corey

dang….I wanna see the whole presentation!

TheFanboySlayer

TH3 P0WER OF TEH CL0UDZZ!!! hhaha jkjk looks cool

Fusion_Pirate

If I didn’t see the date on the article, I would have thought this was an April Fools’ joke. LOL
As always, Microsoft’s lack of specs and details are more interesting than what they’re actually saying…moving along…

Abynx

I’m not a programmer or coder of any kind or really a killer gamer. But over the years with my various experiences watching the Demoscene evolve its way from the C64 to the PC – Why do I feel that I have seen more impressive calculations with less lag going back as far as early 2000’s? Sure its fun to watch stuff explode, but lets have at least some more information on what the pc setup was in both cases. Also, by the way things work naturally with display ‘on screen’. Why did the example not stay focused on the building and immediately pull away to the ball shooting part? Wouldn’t you think that there would obviously be less to compute as you turn away? I know for a fact that things happen faster off screen, a big part of all the computations are in the display so the fact he turned around with the cloud based demo and keep the none cloud demo focused upon the destruction seems kind of flawed..

http://hitman42.tumblr.com/ Tyrelle Watts

if you payed attention he said you can still move around. with the game still going at 30 fps. that the take i got from it. while the one system went down to single framerate. look and listen.