Originally posted by hmdphantom
This is why I call Freemasons , the masters of dis-information.

What is there to deny? You posted useless sources in a foreign language. Maybe I should jump over to an Arabic website, call people names and post
sources in English. How would that go over? You obviously do not get your own hypocrisy.

Originally posted by hmdphantom
This is why I call Freemasons , the masters of dis-information.

What is there to deny? You posted useless sources in a foreign language. Maybe I should jump over to an Arabic website, call people names and post
sources in English. How would that go over? You obviously do not get your own hypocrisy.

Sorry, no one is here to do your work for you. If you are going to link sources they should be easily accessible and ready for general consumption and
not requiring people to jump through your deflective hoops.

Funny that Google Translate says it's Israel excavating under the temple. It does not mention the Freemasons.

I guess it must be all those Freemasons working for Google that have programmed Google Translate to say "Israel" instead of "Freemasons" so that us
ATS Masons can't read it. Oh, but that doesn't make sense either...

But, as you say, the pictures speak for themselves, and the picture is definitely saying "Freemason" and not "Israel". Or is it?

Originally posted by CasiusIgnoranze
1) Know the secrets of the Ancients and pass it down by word of mouth.

This is true. But it is also the case that Freemasons do not have
exclusive control over this same knowledge. In fact, much of these so-called secrets are the basis of many religions and philosophies.

2) Are NOT Devil Worshippers

And this is also true. I'm sure a couple of us might be... but a statistically insignificant
proportion.

because they worship the astronomical significance of the Pentagram Cycle of Venus.

Oh, and now your'e just making stuff up.
Freemasonry is not a religion. Freemasonry, as an institution, does not support any one particular religious dogma. And neither the pentagram nor the
"Cycle of Venus" are of much interest to a majority of Masons.

3) Have built and designed many important cities and monuments to hide their esoteric secrets in plain view e.g. Washington and
Vatican.

Actually, Masons HAVE designed some cities. But you're wrong on Washington and the Vatican. Those are actually cities we DIDN'T
design. Try again.

I do the love the post where you basically say, agree with me or you're a liar. Completely ethical and not biased or ignorant in any way...no not at
all.

Our secrets were known by the Ancients?! Really?! We built the Vatican?! You're giving us way more credit than what is due and what is contrary to
history and established fact. What record or evidence supports this?

Conspiracy Theorists view = Freemasons want complete world domination and are behind the New World Order.

Christian and Muslim view = Freemasons are a Satanic cult who want to bring forth the New World Order.

Constitutes a small fraction of the population. Most are oblivious to us and really know that we're that group from the National Treasure movie or
that Dan Brown book.

Your question relies on the notion that we are harboring some secret to eventually be released to the public. Such is not the case.

Everyone enjoys privacy, secrecy, so get your self-righteous butt off of your high horse. You yourself even enjoy secrets, private matters, to a
point I'm sure. I hate yet to see you give us your information to include banking account number, routing number, PIN, SSN, and DOB.

Originally posted by partycrasher
Freemasonry is about building an empire just like the Vatican would like to run everything on the planet.

It is about that upward reach in the hearts of men.... to see how high or how far that empire whether on the individual mason level or on the
worldwide or universal level...how far that empire can expand.

The means justify the end result...meaning that the masons portray that their end result will be so great that whatever means it takes to get their is
viable.

Same old song and dance from every other empire building organization, excuses.

Masonry has nothing to do with building an "empire" of any sort. If that were true, we would actively seek recruits wouldn't you think? Men come to
Masonry out of a sheer desire to be better Men and to become a part of the tradition. Many of them had family members or friends who were extremely
influential in their lives who were Masons. They simply want to be more like the people who they looked up to as they were growing up.

But you are right about one thing: Masonry is about uplifting the hearts of Man. It teaches us to be better friends, neighbors, parents, husbands and
people.

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