Mbdtf is not a "classic" and ive asked why people call it one multiple times and everyones like oh. Everyone naming all their classic albums in here negates what the article said and just adds to the detrimental consumption of popular culture

I've made my case for it throughout various Kanye West related news posts during the time it was released. I'm not going to rehash it because I already know you won't agree and that's fine, you have your mind made up and so do I.

Well, I think I understood the context, sorry if I mis-represented your view there.

What I'm getting at, I guess is, does it make sense for me to say 'Underoath's TOCS is a classic album within "The Scene", but that album fucking sucks"?

that's fine. I agree with that too, as TOCS is my least favorite Underoath album by far, and there are plenty of artists and albums that I know are influential to music and are considered as a classic that I have no care for.

Yes. The fact that listeners constantly compare every hip hop album that comes out to classics like Illmatic. Thus causing artists to strive to make "classic" albums which they ultimately fail at.

I don't think there's a whole lot of rappers out there releasing albums right now that actually strive to make something cohesive. In the end, a lot of them come out with a string of singles like 2 Chainz, Rick Ross, and Big Sean that knows their audience just wants a few songs.

I read that Pitchfork article, and I completely agree. I can't understand why people listen to Kendrick's album and instantly call it a classic. More than half of these people will put this album out of their personal rotation in 6 months and possibly never return to it.

Certainly there is a difference between a personal classic and a generally acclaimed "classic" record. For example, a personal classic of mine will be Saves The Day's "Stay What You Are". While this record is considered a classic within the means of music listeners who seek out the emo/punk scene, for the majority of people, it's not. I'd say something like The College Dropout is on it's way to be a worldwide "classic". Has lasting value, tracks are still played by people all over the world to this very day.

I guess you really also have to consider the fact that our generation is far more saturated with music than the generations before us, which makes it harder to push through everything we personally enjoy and find the albums that are considered gems by society as a whole.

To me a classic is a record that completely shifts the musical climate of the time. Even if the record wasn't necessarily the first album to sound like that, it for some reason (in lots of occasions it is an individual song) was the first to garner wide spread attention and shift the majority of peoples musical taste in that direction (Eg Enema, Dookie, Nevermind). Saying that however, since the start of the internet it is really hard to pinpoint which record was the true pioneer (especially in the scene, where radio play doesn't exist for the most part) as in most cases a lot of records emerge at the same time that are generally the same sound, so the "classic" record changes among different areas of people and different groups of friends.

For example in 2002, when the scene started its shift from pop-punk to post hardcore there was a lot of records that came out that made that it happen (The Used, What it is to Burn, Tell All Your Friends, Box Car Racer, The Illusion of Safety). For me I would say Tell All Your Friends is the classic record as thats the one that me and my friends related to the most, but for another group of people it may have been another record.

I don't think there's a whole lot of rappers out there releasing albums right now that actually strive to make something cohesive. In the end, a lot of them come out with a string of singles like 2 Chainz, Rick Ross, and Big Sean that knows their audience just wants a few songs.

I mean, as the article points out, even meek mill did it. Im arguing more about listeners calling things classics. Its tough to dissect the artists true motives and stuff

I read that Pitchfork article, and I completely agree. I can't understand why people listen to Kendrick's album and instantly call it a classic. More than half of these people will put this album out of their personal rotation in 6 months and possibly never return to it.

Certainly there is a difference between a personal classic and a generally acclaimed "classic" record. For example, a personal classic of mine will be Saves The Day's "Stay What You Are". While this record is considered a classic within the means of music listeners who seek out the emo/punk scene, for the majority of people, it's not. I'd say something like The College Dropout is on it's way to be a worldwide "classic". Has lasting value, tracks are still played by people all over the world to this very day.

I guess you really also have to consider the fact that our generation is far more saturated with music than the generations before us, which makes it harder to push through everything we personally enjoy and find the albums that are considered gems by society as a whole.