As you can see there's alot of unplayables in here but I'm bored and wanted to start a discussion on something I'll probably be facing 4 out of 5 rounds in my first few RtR standard events.

I played a few games against this exact list with BG zombies with my teammate and the matchup was terrible 6-1 in his favor.Who knew that turn 3 Huntmaster turn 4 Thragtusk was unbeatable for zombies. :P

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I like your list, James, the Rancor plan seems solid. I'm not all that crazy about Lili yet what with the possibility of so many tokens and general value dudes. Though we'll certainly see. Also lack of Pillar feels risky.

I'm not that hot on Arbor Elf now knowing there won't be a winged friend (RIP Birds, I'm in shock), but I still like hitting the turn 3 Mangler and the ability to boost Bonfire a little. Could as easily be more Nighthawks/Rancors/Pillars.

catowner wrote:

Welcome to 2012. Blue has the most efficient creatures, black has the all-in monocolored aggro deck, the most controlling deck in the format is green-red, control decks lose to aggro in attrition wars, and counterspells aren't an answer to fatties.

Yea I wasn't too fond of Lili as well. You could potentially SB her for anyone who try's to play control in the early parts of the season. I wonder how good the Rakdod one drop would be in this deck. As long as I have Rancor in here I don't feel bad about any creature I play, and he can lead to some pretty fast starts. However I also feel those 4 slots could be used on better, more impactful cards. It's all theory right now just cause we can't play with the set yet. And you're probably right about Pillar. Zombies isn't going anywhere, and getting rid of Messengers/Crawlers is always good.

I'm too hot on dorks in Jund as well. I don't know I just think they're better suited for Naya/Bant/Junk Beatdown decks than they are for Jund. I really like the versatility of Rancor, and putting it on a Nighthawk is pretty filthy. I don't know how good Tragic Slip will be when we rotate, and since you don't have many ways to easily trigger morbid, I'm skeptical about starting it.

And last but not least I wouldn't start more than 2 Bonfires. You don't want to see it in your opening hand, as it just pretty much rots away for most of the game.

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@James, I guess I'd changed some stuff in my list without adapted the rest to it. The Slips were from when I had a couple Lili, but I still think the card will be good. I like it better than most of black's removal, and it's better than Electrickery. Could be more Pillars, though.

I was seriously totally sure Birds would be back, so I had expected Bonfires to be powered up by dorks. Probably for the best. I'll test with people and see, but very well might go -4 Arbor Elf, -1 Bonfire; +5 whatever.

I do think Garruk will be good. Control should be a thing again at least in some capacity, so making an extra dude a turn or tutoring up a Big Thing off a token should be really good. And he's yet more removal against the other midrange/aggro decks as necessary. I could see having 2 of him.

catowner wrote:

Welcome to 2012. Blue has the most efficient creatures, black has the all-in monocolored aggro deck, the most controlling deck in the format is green-red, control decks lose to aggro in attrition wars, and counterspells aren't an answer to fatties.

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4 Evolving Wilfs for maximum mana consistency. Added 2 Pillars and a Garruk in favor of the Lilianas and Devils Play. I figure 3 Volleys is enough reach for the, and between Dreadbore, Ultimate Price etc you have plenty of ways to kill stuff. I would like to fit in a 2nd Garruk but dont know what to cut.

And finally 2 Silverhearts in the main over double Conscripts and the Thundermaw. I feel like I'll always want to see a Silverheart more often than Conscripts. Wolfy is also pretty scary with 12 haste dudes in the deck. You can attack for 6-8 dmg out of no where. Also Silverearts compliment the new mana base better.

One last add would be Kessig Wolf Run, maybe for one Overgrown Tomb.

I'd be really excited to play this deck if I could. I think it has some serious potential.

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Slower Jund, like a midrangey list is fine. 4 Thragtusk, some removal, a little bit of ramp. There's not much point playing an aggressive non-zombie jund deck. Play lots of value creatures and spells.

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Haha youve said thattttt but serious i really dont think ittll be too mic of an issue inthink i could cast it more often than not btw how to you post someone elses comment along with your own idl if i can in an iphone...