Shaanxi family of woman who suffered forced abortion accused of being “national traitors” on banners

@假装在纽约： Shaanxi province Zhenping county. What makes people even more upset than the forced abortion was that the family of the woman who suffered that forced abortion [Feng Jianmei] had repeatedly openly put their trust in the Party and the government, even refusing foreign media interviews as a result. But when they finally had no choice but to accept an interview from a German journalist, the villagers raised banners cursing them as traitors to the country and the father of the woman who suffered the forced abortion was forced to flee. The wolf wants to eat the sheep, and yet the sheep does everything it can to protect the wolf, while the other sheep accuse this sheep of damaging this wolf’s reputation. Just when will the absurdity of this sheep end?

On June 24th, microblog user @假装在纽 posted a microblog message about Shaanxi province Zhenping county putting up a banner insulting the pregnant woman who was forced into labor and her family accompanied with a photograph. This microblog post attracted many netizen’s attention, being forwarded 10,633 times by netizens, with over 2000 comments.

On the 24th, @假装在纽约 once again posted a microblog message: Looked at the Zhenping discussion forum on Baidu, the local government has already organized a large amount of “water army” [individuals or companies that can be paid to post comments on the internet to help shape public opinion], its filled with abuse and rumors against the Deng family——that doctors exposed documents showing it was the Deng family who agreed to abort the baby; that Sister Jicai [a family member of Feng Jianmei] who is depending on selling out her country will soon enter the Japanese AV [adult video] industry as a “dark horse“; that the Deng family agreed to Japanese media interviews, going over to the Japanese, enemies of the country, no different from Chinese traitors; that no one in Zhenping county’s history has ever enjoyed better post-birth care than Feng Jianmei… The Shaanxi Forced Abortion case that has caused a sensation is once again creating waves on microblogs.

At the beginning of June, the Shaanxi province Ankang city Zhenping county Zengjia town government illegally detained a 7-month pregnant woman and forced her to have an abortion. Because the victim’s family doesn’t want compensation and resolutely demand that the people responsible be brought to justice, this incident of forced abortion reached an impasse. After the father of the forcibly aborted 7 and a half month old fetus, Deng Jiyuan, accepted an interview from a German journalist, he was cursed as a "national traitor" by locals, who also raised banners in front of the Deng family's home saying "Punish national traitors, drive them out of Zhenjia Town". They even threatened to banish them from the town.

Photo of the infant after being delivered through induced labor. (File photo)

Talk about a society that has reversed black and white and is overflowing with sewage! How do we put up with this kind of absurdity?

思想一直被强奸 [网易四川省成都市网友]：

What the fuck. What does this second pregnancy, being unable to pay the fine, and being forced to abort have anything to do with treason? Are they brain dead?????

xysdhr1987 [网易北京市网友]：

According to them, the people who induced labor and committed murder would be patriots then, right? I really don’t want to hurl abuse… [but] fuck you, you motherfucking “patriots”.

方轱辘自行车 [网易山西省太原市网友]：

The sky has gone dark, there is thunder and lightning.

望风捕影 [网易广东省汕头市网友]：

Whose hands is this country in?

做点对的起良心的事 [网易江西省宜春市网友]：

People become invincible when they’re completely shameless.

拿钱发帖者死全家 [网易广东省东莞市网友]：

A bunch of dogs.

lbg224522 [网易广西南宁市网友]：

“Those who retreated 50 steps laughing at those who retreated 100 steps” [a saying from Mengzi about people ridiculing others for faults or shortcoming they themselves have but only slightly less so], all of this was caused by people eying money.

大象她爸 [网易辽宁省沈阳市网友]：

I don’t even know what to say anymore!

peagrass [网易浙江省温州市网友]：

Looking on, looking on, being looked on.

网易重庆市网友：

Selling out our country my ass! The country isn’t even ours, so how can we sell it?

zjlxjdy [网易浙江省金华市网友]：

Who are the [real] traitors of the country, the ordinary common people all know…

逆風急流 [网易上海市网友]：

Have we returned to the Cultural Revolution again? With their money-making scheme ruined, we can imagine just what group of people are angry now~

网易河南省郑州市网友：

To use something netizens say online: “Our countrymen have the same nature as pigs, and the same fate. Only when we’re about to be slaughtered do we tragically squeal and snort, but it changes nothing.”

网易四川省德阳市网友：

Must’ve been something the villagers did on their own, it couldn’t possibly be the idea of our great leaders.

林加林 [网易广东省汕头市网友]：

Motherfucking, motherland. The child was forcibly aborted, is dead now, you guys should be compensating for the loss, but instead you’re using force to restrict other people’s freedom. It was just a foreign media interview and you fucking label them as traitors. Traitors, your sister! If the rabble had the power or ability to sell out the country, this country would’ve been screwed a hundred million times over long ago. Who are the real traitors to the country is something actually everyone already knows in their hearts. Those who raised the banners, you bunch of SBs, for a bit of money, you’ve completely sold out the most basic morality and self-respect people should have. Do your families actually agree with you SBs doing this kind of filthy disgusting thing?

yunj2012 [网易湖南省网友]：

Who can prove that this was done by the local government? Who can prove that it wasn’t done by the local people on their own?

网易广西南宁市网友： (responding to above)

Fuck, what people would have nothing better to do than to go do this? So your village has someone who was raped, do the people spontaneously go humiliate the raped woman as a prostitute?

Please be respectful of others. You have the right to express your views, and likewise I too have this most basic right. The local government is already in bad shape because of this incident, three people were suspended/relieved of their positions, which shows that they too want to resolve this as soon as possible. If “water hasn’t entered their brains” [aren’t complete idiots], they wouldn’t jump into the hole of shit after just jumping out of the pool [similar to “out of the frying pan and into the fire”]. What instigated this incident is because they accepted an interview from the Japanese, it can’t be ruled out that some elderly people reacted extremely, because you can’t understand how much hate they have for the Japanese in their hearts, which may not be less than the pain in the heart of the mother who suffered the forced abortion. I am just expounding my point of view, because this is my freedom, what is also what you year for…

网易北京市手机网友： (responding to above)

Suspended/relieved from office? Even executing them wouldn’t be going too far.

双目清泠 [网易山东省聊城市网友]：

This woman is being influenced/directed by certain powers, this is for sure.

中华一统天下 [网易陕西省西安市网友]： (responding to above)

Correct. Originally it was a small matter, but now it has been intentionally made into a big fuss. The Family Planning Bureau has already admitted to their error, and you still go find foreign journalists? You must know, what foreign journalists are the best at is deceiving the masses who can’t figure out the truth, starting fires and fanning the flames, wantonly exaggerating our faults, to achieve their despicable goals. So from this, going to a Japanese reporter is equivalent to being a Chinese traitor. If you have a problem, you can go to the relevant government departments. You shouldn’t accept interviews from the Japanese on your own.

yuenlong2004 [网易广东省网友]： (responding to above)

How about I kill your child then admit fault? How’s that?

网易福建省福州市网友： (also responding to 中华一统天下)

Hi, this happened this afternoon, I went to your home to fuck your wife and your son saw this. In a moment of anger, I killed your son, then fucked your wife to death. Now I express my apologies to you, please forgive me.

jmdwtr888 [网易山东省烟台市网友]： (also responding to 中华一统天下)

Go to hell.

一个昵称都跟我抢 [网易福建省泉州市网友]： (also responding to 中华一统天下)

You’re such garbage, saying bullshit like going to find foreign reports, do you think you can go find foreign reporters whenever you want? It was the foreign reporter who came to interview her and she accepted to be interviewed, what’s wrong with that?! Is there a national law against accepting foreign interviews?!

五大湿 [网易四川省成都市网友]： (responding to 双目清泠 & 中华一统天下)

Fucking you guys must’ve read too many conspiracy theories.

lhnxml [网易山东省潍坊市网友]： (responding to 双目清泠 & 中华一统天下)

In their eyes, the ordinary common people are just nobodies, so being killed is naturally just a small matter, no big deal. This is a common phenomenon of today’s government officials who do not see the ordinary common people as people. That’s why they will forcibly demolish your homes and watch you self-immolate, make you play hide and seek [refers to police in 2009 explaining a prisoner’s death as having ran head first into a wall while playing hide and seek]…

These so called traders can feel free to trade places with me on my sofa.

Can you blame me? I’m a cow.

Andy

You fucking idiot. Grow up.

SuperHappyCow

Why do you hate moo so much?

moop

it probably has something to do with your online persona being about as interesting as a pet rock and your sense of humor being about 10 levels lower than carrot top.

SuperHappyCow

since when was carrot top a comedian?

imho he was dope on the mic

moop

he’s not, he’s a prop-comic and a hack. and he’s funnier than you are. AIDS is funnier than you are.

SuperHappyCow

moop do you want to be a cow?

moop

awful. just terrible. reading you posts is like slamming one’s dick in a car door.

SuperHappyCow

if there was any animal on the planet that you could be, excluding animals that are not cows, which would you choosed to be?

moop

anything that kills cows

Tom Swift

Why doesn’t someone simply tear down this banner? Why do they leave it up? If it was just locals that paid for the banner and put it up (unlikely), then simply climb up at night and cut it down.

Patrick

Because there really isn’t anything to tear down. There’s only a few men carrying a couple banners on the most pathetic procession I’ve ever seen. Likely the local government paid a few guys to do this. Even in the one photo where you see many people in it, they aren’t part of it. Also you can’t really trust all of the story, the could be some embellishment to make it more interesting.

JoE

Anyone tearing it down will then become a free for all target. By police and people.

Dripping Third Leg

That’s because Chinese don’t have balls, lol
But I doubt it’s any civilian who puts up this banner, more likely some commie sons of guns working for the propaganda bureau.
If one day China becomes less nationalistic, China becomes democratic, or at least understands the importance of individualism.

Frank Zappa

i don’t get it.
Now i’m sure like in the other one will come some to justify, say that the murder is the mother, or that all women after 1st child should be sterilized (why not men).

anyway, forigner reports are germans like it is said in the text or japans like it is said in some comments?

anon

It could be both. Some people may be calling the father a traitor because he finally accepted an interview with a German reporter and others may be attacking the sister because she may have accepted an interview with Japanese media.

moop

where have you been?>

anon

Work? I was snowed in for about a week. I made a few comments Sunday but decided I wasn’t yet ready to wade into the big posts of the past week. Still unsure. Afraid I might hang myself from what I expect to be an avalanche of racist buffoonery. You know me, I’m Mr. PC around these parts.

moop

thats why i thought you had ska-dattled from the post. where the hell were you snowed in at? are you a fucking inuit?

anon

It was figurative.

moop

oh… and here i was thinking you were spending your days pondering the meaning of life in an igloo. was a pretty cool image though

anon

Heh, yeah, and typing essays is merely a means to an end, the end being to keep my fingers warm in this igloo. :)

moop

i knew it!

hoppy1

That’s it…I give up even trying to understand this country and it’s people. A sweeping statement I know, but it just confounds me no end!!

hooots

yeah, after living there a couple years I completely agree. I look back at chinaSMACK just to see what ‘s going on and it blows my mind every time. It’s like China has lost all sense of what it means to be a human being.

anon

Both of you are retarded, as retarded as Roger below, for your self-professed inability to form a holistic opinion of China on more than a few sensational stories. Nevermind that just about all of these stories consistently show people in China who have a very good sense of what it means to be a human being. Nevermind that you would likely think it retarded if Chinese people were to form their opinion of your home country on the basis of a few sensational stories or examples. How do you people even open your mouths and say something like this without immediately realizing how stupid you sound?

hooots

Sorry man, but I have formed this opinion after living in China, working for Chinese people, working with Chinese people, and living with Chinese people for years. It doesn’t come from Chinasmack or reading the news. It comes from reading the faces of the people and hearing their thoughts, feelings, and stories. I’m also sorry that you think someone who forms an opinion after years of first hand experience is “retarded.” I think people that say retarded are retarded.

Look around man. Ask a large group of Chinese people if they are happy, if their families are happy, if their country is happy. Sure there will be some exceptions but for the most part it’s just a sad place. You know it’s true. Ask a class full of school children how they are. Most everyday they say terrible. I love countless people in China, and I wanted to love the country too, but it was one of the hardest things I’ve ever tried to do. I couldn’t try anymore. I had to get out.

anon

That’s fine, but you can’t blame me for taking your “I look back at chinaSMACK just to see what ‘s going on and it blows my mind every time.”

I agree that there’s a lot in China that is discouraging but I can’t help but suspect prejudices are ultimately the primary force coloring your opinion of China, given the many offensive comments you’ve posted on this website.

No, most Chinese people probably aren’t satisfied with where their country and society is at so far, but I would say many Chinese do think things are getting better and I’m happy for them for it. I think its an exaggeration to pain the country and its people as if they’re living in drudgery and misery every day, especially schoolchildren who in my experience are blessed with an innocence to grow up and only realize then how really poor they were but still not think life was that hard because it was just “life”. Life goes on.

There’s wanting better for another country and its people, but sometimes you cross into pitying them in a way that becomes offensive, that deprives them of dignity, and veers into contempt. Chinese people, like all other people, wouldn’t appreciate that. Lots of shit happen in China, this website and our own experiences are a testament to that, but I wonder if you’ve ever fully appreciated all of the good things that happen in China, the big and small, from netizens donating money to a girl like Lili to the daily small acts of kindness that you’d see if you just stopped expecting Chinese people to be selfish ingrates.

I think what it is is you guys reacting so harshly to this story. It is not as if we don’t have morons who do stupid confounding shit in our countries. Yes, you’ll say this is just the straw that broke the camel’s back, and point back to all the other disagreeable things you’ve read, seen or experienced. But even then, the harshness of your reaction makes me think you guys are unfairly preoccupied with only one side of China and its people, the negative side.

Of course, you guys may be more fair and rational off this site, but I can only go by what you guys say here.

anon

Sorry, that first paragraph should end with “at face value.”

I actually feel a little embarrassed for responding to you with such sincerity since I have very little reason judging by your past comments to think I’ll get anything back other than a snort of derision. Its natural for this site, by virtue of its content, to get people bashing China and the Chinese but I just wish more people of that sort would themselves remember what it means to be a human being because the things they blurt out do not reflect upon their own humanity very well.

filabusta

Try studying it’s history, it might give you a little insight.

whiskersthecat

Balls

Freeman

WTF!!! This is F!

fredf

Makes me ashamed to be a human being knowing that humans could stoop so low.
Chinese or foreign doesn’t matter. What they are doing is just so very disgusting.

Brett Hunan

There are no foreigners, other than the journalist, mentioned. You really took that racist scolding to heart, huh? Walking on politically-correct eggshells now?

fredf

No. I still stand by my opinions that small cities in China can be Hell for the non-Chinese, and that China has a victim mentality.

Janna

The Chinese government is as crooked as a snake, they LIE! CHEAT! STEAL! COMMIT MURDER! DO I NEED TO GO ON? Nothing but luring, lying, deceiving, MURDERERS,! NOBODY SHOULD LIVE UNDER THAT DICK- TATERSHIP! The ruler of CHINA IS A MURDERERING SLUTE! He is a SLIMMY SLUG! That leaves his slime all over the little minions that choose to NOT RULE THEMSELVES! When there is more people than government, the people should TAKE IT OVER! I promise you all if this happened in America, I would be part the party TAKING IT DOWN! And we are getting pretty close here. STAND UP AND TAKE OVER YOUR GOVERNMENT!! Kill that slimy PIG !!

whiskersthecat

I like how your voice fluctuates in strength and tone whenever you get to an important part of the sentence. I also like how you talked about dick ‘taters, whatever those is. I liked baked ‘taters.

linette

But is not just one party. It’s the whole entire system and majority of the people running it. Those corrupted officials need to be removed and replaced.
They do have good officials but the number of good officials are out numbered. Some even murdered.

mr. wiener

Those idiots are their own worst enemy. Beijing already fired two people over this, and they very seldom intervene in provincial business. This is going to raise another ruckas and more idiots will get canned.

Somethin Somethin

This is going to raise another ruckas and more idiots will get canned.

Naw the way I figure it they’ll fire the only two guys trying to do a good job. Looking for an idiot to fire would require the idiot doing so to understand he is an idiot and then find someone like himself. He’ll probably walk out his office at 11 in the morning and fire the first two people he sees, the only two guys in the office, because the other slack-jawed twats are all out shopping.

jiayi

Your average Chinese Joe keeps making these head honchos richer and richer every single day, and to be honest they don’t really want to do anything about it. ‘All fart and no shit’ as it goes. Instead of despising these rich fucks, they aspire to become like them. Instead of saying ‘driving a Roll’s Royce bought with peasant’s abortion clinic money & keeping 10 ernai whores on the side is wrong’ they say ‘Why can’t I be like him?’. Instead of doing anything pro-active they take pictures on their camera phones and complain about their problems online. Which is incredibly satisfying, but most often isn’t enough to spark a revolution.

D. Tective

So all the Chinese media interviewing foreigners are also traitors? The foreigners who grant interviews? Just kick out all foreigners from China and be done with it already, China. Stop wearing foreign-brand clothes, using foreign technology, remove English from the Gaokao, make all women wear qipaos and men wear Mao suits.

hooots

THAT’S WHAT I’M SCREAMING!!!! They gorge themselves with our style, our pop culture, our art, our music, our entertainment, and then act like foreign things are somehow disturbing their society. ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!?!?!?! Go see what your Chinese children are buying, wearing, listening to, watching, playing, emulating, …. None of it comes from China because they don’t let them create anything. The whole idea that they are trying to push out foreign influence is laughable and pathetic.

anon

Have you guys considered that maybe this isn’t an opinion held by all Chinese uniformly and to the same level of cognitive dissonance? The flip side of this would be indignantly blasting Westerners in general for some of them complaining about China demanding that they give up just about everything they own, use, and consume because its all made in China. What is wrong with you people?

that didnt work out the way i wanted it to. you can still click on the link and see the picture i wanted to post.

anon

Aw thanks, you warm my heart, fellow boob-lover. Rumor has it you got yourself into a bit of trouble on chinaSMACK lately?

Brett Hunan

haha

anon

Yeah, I thought maybe you’ve become a spammer but I took a look at the URL it was pointing to at the bottom of my browser and took a gamble. I was pleasantly rewarded with your hospitality, though part of me naturally suspects it might be sarcasm.

moop

haha, anon, you ass. i still think the site isnt as good without you posting, so i am actually non-sarcastically welcoming you back. this cowboy don’t spam

moop

notorious and i were moderated for a long argument for like a day or so. nothing other than that. unless there is something i dont know about.

Andao

I think if there ever was a day where China could claim technological parity with the US or Europe, they would kick out all foreigners in an instant. Then they would continue to wear jeans and listen to Lady Gaga and think nothing of the contradiction.

anon

I’d say that’s very unlikely. Given the amount of anti-foreigner sentiment that has been drummed up by governments and various parts of society throughout China’s history and the fact that Chinese people on the whole have still been completely fine with immigrating abroad, consuming foreign media and lifestyles, and tolerating foreigners in their midst, you needn’t worry about this coming to pass. We learned how to coexist with blacks, Asians, and Arabs in our midst. They will learn just fine as well. We’re just further along the multiculturalism bent than they are because we had more attractive lands for immigration throughout recent history.

wacky

so do you know how the foreign media would tell about the abortion??
would they tell it as it is or would they blow it out of proportion??

spreading pop culture is one thing but spreading misinformation is another thing, so far i have watched cnn, bbc, or any other western media and i know that most of the time they spread their own agenda rather than the truth.

the fact is chinese people do not complain too much about foreign this and foreign that as much as foreigner complain about made in china product and china take our job or foreign immigrant are taking over the country

anon

Half of your comment is a needed reminder here. The other half is bordering on conspiracy theory. In most cases, any misinformation from Western media can be blamed on private interests. Misinformation from the Chinese media can often be blamed on state/government direction. Both are worrisome and disheartening, but there’s an appreciable difference. Overall though, there’s a healthy amount of ignorance on both sides fueled and perpetuated by ignorant people in the media on both sides. Would you agree that’s fair?

Dr SUN

actually its my suit, he just adopted it.

markx

Some seem to take George Orwell’s “1984” as an instruction book, not as a warning.

i feel sad… to think that these kind of people exist.
funny thing is that… they are all old men from the MAO dynasty.
brainwashed bunch of idiots that know nothing.

Anon

What an utterly vile mentality.

Freshwang

So, the report says German journalists, what does Japan have to do with this? Did I miss something?

Frank Zappa

i didn’t get it either.. maybe a misunderstan..

linette

……………. to a Japanese reporter is equivalent to being a Chinese traitor. If you have a problem, you can go to the relevant government departments. You shouldn’t accept interviews from the Japanese on your own…………….

The blogger who post this comment is definitely someone who works for the China government. One of the corrupted China gov’t official. From now on any blogger who post comment like this on China internet, should definitely be labeled as China corrupted gov’t official or personnel. They should be attacked on the blog by other netizens.

hacienda

soup. they get to have soup.

anon

They ARE reliably attacked by other netizens, especially on NetEase.

linette

I wonder how much the China gov’t paid these men to harass the family. Fuxking dirty China officials. They can’t openly punish the family because now is an international news. They can’t drag the family into jail and beat them to death or the world will condemn China. They can only use dirty trick.

linette

The blogger user name is 中华一统天下 which translate into China dominate the world. Even his user name sounds like a corrupted China official. Go to hell.

JT

The extent to which there’s an expectation that negative news shouldn’t be reported about China is astounding. If the local Chinese media were freer then they’d be better able to swallow the truth (cause they would get truer info). There are endless negative news stories about America — reported in America (by Americans) and accross the world. To those in China who think the foreign press only report negative info about China, what exactly does Chinese media report about the US?

The worst part is the damn crazy-high level of nationalism! To be fair, there are, of course, such nationalists in the USA and other countries, too. It’s just that most places in the world have more of a balance. In China, by the government’s design, there’s just rampant, unchecked nationalism.

wacky

if the local media were freer the distortion and misinformation would get more rampant, which is truer according to you msnbc or fox news???
fox new has the largest audience in the US

most of the foreign press report about china is all about bad thing, i dont know about chinese media but the only english language cctv news rarely speak bad about america or any western countries most broadcasts are pro china but not anti america.
the most anti american international media i’ve watched so far are press tv iran and russia today

anon

Bad news sells anywhere. People generally don’t like their dirty laundry aired out for everyone to see. A lot of Americans would also throw a hissy fit if they felt some country’s news coverage of the US was predominantly negative, except most Americans in the US are insular enough to not consume any foreign media so they have no idea nor do they very much care. Plenty of Americans in China think Chinese news is always reporting negative about the US and other countries, partly because it fits the narrative that China is all nationalistic xenophobic propaganda all the time, but part of it is also because they’re conveniently ignoring the positive reports that actually aren’t that rare, especially on the Chinese internet. But of the above, if there is one thing to remember, its that bad news sells. I can’t think of a single country where this isn’t the case. There are countries that might suppress their OWN bad news, but most reporting about other countries is heavily skewed towards the negative, not because of nationalism and xenophobia, but just because that’s what people gravitate towards: the sensational and controversial. That’s why most of the stories on chinaSMACK are negative, because that’s what becomes popular.

Little Wolf

Insular? It’s all foreign media/news sources these days.(AAP, UPI, Reuters, Tass, Al-jazeera, Xinhua to name a few) It’s called the Internet. Unless you’re convinced all us Murrikans watch Good Morning America for the daily news. Just because we don’t read the fine print for the original source doesn’t mean we’re not reading foreign media.

anon

I would still say “most” Americans are insular. Most of that “most” not intentionally or with ill intent. It’s just the way it is. Big country, top of the heap…hard to really genuinely care about things far away that doesn’t really personally affect you and your own.

Brett Hunan

Is this follow-up week? Nice!

Rick in China

“finally had no choice but to accept an interview from a German journalist”

Interesting. Are they claiming the German journalists also dragged her away with 20 accompanying journalists and bricked her up in a room and abused her until she willingly interviewed?

D. Tective

They felt compelled because the local media ignored her story and local officials ignored her plight. There was little else to do, and when peoples’ families are threatened or attacked, you use any measure at your disposal.

anon

Yeah, I think that’s just a translation issue. The English translation could be interpreted that way but if you can read the original Chinese, its more clear that the family simply felt they had no choice but to finally interview with foreign media when initially they didn’t want to because they were pinning their hopes on The Party and Government. I’m not even sure the foreign media broke this story first though so there’s something questionable about this. I’m fairly certain they went online with their story and took the Chinese internet by storm first, which is what then brought all domestic and foreign journalists to them. This was already a big news story in China before any foreign journalists got involved.

Frank Zappa

thanks to have clarified, i was puzzled with that “they have no choice”. In this way it sounds resonable.

Somethin Somethin

Interesting. Are they claiming the German journalists also dragged her away with 20 accompanying journalists and bricked her up in a room and abused her until she willingly interviewed?

Naw if he wanted to do that in China he’d have to wait in line and 2 people would jump the que to beat him to it.

http://jimmychen.com Jimmy

Everyone is a traitor.

平凡人

The local government probably paid the people to do it. I struggle to believe they did it because they felt this story brought shame to the country and they are loyal citizens. LOL

moop

i’m surprised they didnt just stand around the family in a circle, pointing and chastising them. did these turds leave their neck placards and dunce hats at home? must have been busy smelting pig iron.

Yeah, this story really highlights how far down this country has fallen. It isn’t even funny anymore. It’s barren and bleak. No place to be, nor life to live, nor happiness to be had here. All just bad now. Emulating a western picture of shallow virtue yet substituting those very virtues of warmth with greed; sympathy with cowardice, respect with vanity. Like a child being raised by pigs.

On one tiny little bright side, this poor murdered baby didn’t have to live life in this God forsaken miserable shithole.

They are desperate to be happy. I mean a lot of times they pretend their are happy… tell each other to be happy and smile when nervous, sad, scared or happy (obviously). BUT mostly, they are NOT happy.

Most of them are stressed, depressed, emotionally repressed, feel trapped, guilty (to their parents), and committing suicide is not big thing. Talk to a lot of university students before about it?

They will tell you that people jumping off the buildings is no big thing, happens all the time… usually the information is suppressed. Escapism (alcohol and video games) is a HUGE issue in China. That’s why you see booze shops and net bars almost everywhere.

China REALLY needs to invest a lot of money in psychological aid. I see it being big in the future as China develops.

anon

There are booze shops and internet bars all over Japan and Korea too, but I wouldn’t go so far as to assume too much about national depression. That’s more like a Texas Sharpshooter fallacy.

I would actually say there’s a lot more hope and ambition for a better future and life in China over the past decade than there has been in many decades before that. Lamentations about poverty and corruption has always been a mainstay of Chinese society, mainly because the vast majority of Chinese society has historically been consistently poor. Remember, it wasn’t until after the Industrial Revolution that there was a build-up of large middle-class populations that now largely define what a first-world developed nation is like. Prior to that, our countries were like China, with a small ruling class at the top of the pyramid and huge base of underclass. If we went by what the underclass fretted about back then, it would look a lot like China. During the Industrial Revolution, also like China.

The poor have a lot to worry about. Pessimism and cynicism is always rampant. It defines existence at that level. A lot of us have forgotten that. If you take a snapshot, most Chinese people are only one generation into rising standards of living and a middle class has (in the grand scheme of things) only begun to form and feel comfortable with their position in society, and they’re still a small group overall. There’s a lot for Chinese people to continue being cynical about, but I think an objective look at Chinese society would have to recognize that there’s actually a lot of growing hope and pride in their country and life circumstances. Things are bleak, but I think its inaccurate and misleading to paint a picture of Chinese society being in some sort of downward spiral of gloom. Overall, it isn’t.

The Enlightened One

Yes, I agree that they are making progress in some areas. Although, the gap between the middle class and poor is becoming something I have never seen happen before. The gap between the wealthy and poor is just monumental.

So the also have loads of escapism methods in order to cope as well. Just too much pressure on the work force and the students. Japan is going through a massive population decline. It’s estimated in the millions, because most Japanese are just too busy to have children or can afford them.

Stu

Eh, it’s actually pretty cool and you can see plenty of happy people on the streets every day. But you know, carry on with your sweeping generalisations and drama if you find that kind of thing fun.

DRaY

America needs to put these policies in place. If you can’t pay the fine to have a bunch of kids, we’ll cut the baby out of your stupid, white trash, ghetto, trailer, housing project, broke ass womb!!!
I love it!!!
I’m calling Obama right now to add this to the Health Care Reform Bill…

moop

oh, thats right, i forgot the us has 1.3 billion people and that the health care bill is actually going to survive supreme court scrutiny

Appalled@everything

Why would you call Obama? The Senate doesn’t listen to him, nor support him, nor does he have any power. He is president yet, unlike Bush, he is not in a position of power, because he isn’t a republican, or a corporate puppet.

moop

“nor does he have any power” o rly? i guess he doesnt order drone-murders then

Patrick

Seriously I got to hear about American politics on CNN (doesn’t matter what the article is about), Facebook, and just about every social platform I see. Can’t we leave that stupid shit off here. It’s a site about China. Deriding a health care reform bill, or American democrats or republicans is just plain useless. If you have some compromising pictures of Obama banging a Chinese girl ( or boy ) then leak it to the appropriate place so the Chinese can jump all over that story, Fauna can translate it and then you can bitch about Obama.

DRaY

Me’thinks Patrick should have been aborted….. He sounds like a pussy.

Roger

Foreign media does in fact have bias towards affairs in china(serving their own agenda just like all media). However, calling the woman and her family traitorous is unjustified.

Roger

Why does this site never post anything positive about China? China just had a successful docking of their space station and sent the first woman into space.

Brett Hunan

Yea, all of that news is in the foreign papers, too. You can read about it anywhere.

moop

because they are 30 years late. its not really news. if they are the first ones to colonize mars or something then its noteworthy. besides, everyone knows that bad news sells.

Roger

by that logic calling someone a traitor for talking to foreign media is not news either. im sure someone did that millenia ago.

moop

yes, the emporer was giving foreign journalists the lowdown in 1012AD . its not news, in the sense that it isnt good news, it makes no impact on the world. its something that chinese will try to be proud of like the silly submarine that just reached a “chinese record” depth. so what? its all been done before by other people. its newsworthy in china for obvious reasons, but in the west its a news story so that they can play up on the sensationalism of “china’s rise”.

Roger

this story means absolutely jack shit.

its just some random farmers who got paid by the local government to badmouth their victim. yet somehow someway, chinasmack will go out of their way to report this story as opposed to actual achievements like a space station docking.

moop

lets see…. this is a follow up story to a woman having her child forcefully aborted by government officials. tell which one of these things is news: A grave violation of human rights and the loss of a life or a chinese woman being the 40th-something woman in space?

moop

human life=jack shit

meaningless achievement achieved by many others= really fucking important

roger, you are a clown

moop

my facts were a little off:

“55 different women total including cosmonauts, astronauts, payload specialists, and foreign nationals have flown in space.

6 different female cosmonauts have flown on the Soviet/Russian program*

1 female astronaut or taikonaut has flown in the Chinese program

48 different women have flown with NASA”

so it’s actually less impressive than i thought

linette

Roger

Space station docking is an achievement. But do not neglect human rights. A country without human rights and justice is nothing and I can careless how many space ship they docked in Jupiter or Pluto.

This story is just one out of thousands giving you an idea of what’s going on in China in those rural areas. This is how they treat human life. Do you want to live in a country where they treat the poor lower than animals but they can dock space ships? We are Chinese. We all want China to be strong. A country that’s safe to live. Where all men/women are created equal. A gov’t system that provide equal opportunities for both the rich and the poor. Equal access to education, health care, housing, etc….

Go read this first. Have better understanding with the one child policy and look up the forced abortion in those rural areas in China. You sound like an intelligent person. Maybe you are just not too familiar. I wasn’t familiar with the OCP neither until I read from other bloggers. Maybe it will change your view.

The Enlightened One

I agree with Linette,

It is actually more embarrassing that you can send people into space but you act so stupid when it comes to human rights and then paying people off or promoting the fact they are ‘traitors’.

While I was watching the spaceship docking with some friends and it said that is was being done manually… I laughed. I told them it was most likely being done by computers and just told everything that the Chinese guy was doing it to make it seem more heroic… They all looked at me thoughtfully. I said “Come on, if you paid billion of RMB for this would you leave it up to some middle aged guy strapped in a chair or a super computer you can control yourself?”

I think I ruined the moment for them a little.

By the way, all the girl did the entire time on camera was hand the leader his button-pusher cane every once in a while and pretend to read the manual… Chinese are not much for entertainment.

Bunny99

“I can careless how many space ship they docked in Jupiter or Pluto.”

Linette missed the chance to write

“docked in Uranus”

!

Andao

How many Chinese are going to go to space?

How many Chinese might have their kids forcibly aborted.

So this is why this story is more important.

The Enlightened One

Because a civilization should not be judged by how many people they send into vast open darkness that is space but by how they treat their people, their animals and how they can co-exist with each other “harmoniously”.

China focuses on presentation rather than substance… and it is becoming more and more apparent.

This site often reports positive stuff about China. It just depends on whether or not you remember them or if it is convenient for you to forget that fact at the moment. They operate by whatever is popular, whatever Chinese netizens are chatting about online. This story was at the top of NetEase, one of the biggest online news sites in China.

The fact is, most news that becomes popular tend to be “negative”. That’s just the way it is, everywhere. Often the popular “positive” stories become popular only because they can easily be juxtaposed against “negative” things. It is the negative and controversial things that get people talking. This site promises to report on what people are talking, it doesn’t promise to report negative or positive things, just what’s popular. It does a good job of it.

Even so, it often misses big stories. That’s fine, its only a few people, we can’t expect them to get everything. But the key is that they miss popular “positive” stories AS WELL AS “negative” stories. There are masses of commenters here who regularly complain about why chinaSMACK didn’t cover whatever recent scandal or controversy. You’re the flipside of the same coin. The answer for both is either that something isn’t actually that popular to qualify by their criteria or they just didn’t get around to it because they can’t cover everything.

Whatever the case, you can hardly accuse them of never posting anything positive about China. That’s just your own selective memory. They’re even running a fundraiser for a Chinese girl afflicted with a rare skin condition right now, with the post on every single page. Have you donated yet?

happycrow

Thanks, anon. I’m not a “China-watcher” per se, and have only come here a little bit. I’m glad to see more of the better, if not actually happy, stuff.

Somethin Somethin

Because no one gives a shit about China’s “space docking” either here or in the blogosphere. Most people I hear talking about it spend most of their time talking about how boring this mission is and how meaningless it is in the whole spectrum of things. So I doubt the weibo comments on it were that good so Fauna said whatevs and let it pass.

Roger

I also wanna make a comment about netease: it is the most mind numblingly braindead website ever, especially the comments. even more so than chinese government news sites like people’s daily.

anon

Law of numbers, my friend, law of numbers. I’d rather chinaSMACK pick their stories according to what’s popular on NetEase than People’s Daily though. The whole reason we visit this site is to get an idea of what Chinese netizens themselves are reading and sqwuaking about.

At this point, you’re pretty much whining because you just don’t like what you’re reading. I really don’t want this site to start catering to what people want to read, picking stories and comments just so certain people can feel warm and fuzzy inside.

eddie9684

whos the traitor? lol, the people who are behind this are traitors to humanity thats what its.

eattot

hahaha,nowadays people still use traitors to name others.hahahaha!
quite poisoned by mao,hahaha!
but about kind and stupid chinese farmers, even they live poor,still not ask why,and,still love what they called our great country or party.and always a lot of ass kissers in this country.even they only can get or not get a bit leftover.

moop

eattot, i can’t believe we agree on something!!! far too few people ask “why” and keep the status quo.

http://www.thecapitalinthenorth.blogspot.com jixiang

You know, many poor Chinese farmers no exactly what is wrong with their lives, and who is to blame. It is more often well-off urban Chinese like you who are the asskissers.

moop

damn, you havent come on here and said stupid shit in a while.

hess

I thought eattot is from the countryside?

eattot

yes, i am from village,so i know them well.in china,city people are seflish and snobish,village people are dumb and wooden.

DRaY

So Chinese people are either , selfish and snobish or dumb and wooden????

WoW…..good thing I don’t live in the same China you live in… That would suck…..

moop

(in a zombie voice) EVERYTHING SHE SAYS IS TRUE

Genki

So, Do you mean chinese farmers are stupid?

Roger

sigh…

nobody managed to answer my question: “why does this specific story about some uneducated folks calling a victim a traitor become newsworthy?”

the question above is completely unrelated to the story about an inhumane treatment of a mother and the evil murder of her baby.

why is it that nationalism on the part of the ignorant become more newsworthy than an actual achievement such as the docking of a space station?
…..

the theme of the site is :”we perpetuate negative stories about china. we welcome racism, name calling, and all other sorts of negative behavior. any questions about why this is done will be promptly met with a go fuck off.”

thats great !

moop

nice mischaracterization. but you fucking off would be pretty cool

linette

Roger
I do agree many people here make racist comments against Chinese. If you read those racist comments against Chinese…go freakin troll them back big time. That’s all. hehehe…
I troll them back big time all the time and they know they are saying stupid nonsense racist things against Chinese.

mr. wiener

Roger.
If you feel there are too many negative stories on China you could go out an find a few positive one to contribute to chinasmack. I’m not exactly sure what the policy is here on contributing stories, but I’ve seen plenty of the people who post here do that.

whiskersthecat

Roger, shut up. Sending women to space and docking with space stations is old news. Now if they start docking with women in space, then we should like to see that.

If you want to counter a negative story with a positive one, make sure it’s on the same topic. Forced late-term abortions and space travel aren’t the same topic. If the story were about, say, China being shitty about technology, then yes you could come back and say “well their scientists docked with a woman in space for the first time ever”.

moop

this is going to sail over his head. he has yet to dock with anything other than his toy mushroom

linette

Now if they start docking with women in space…..

You are killing me………me faint….X^X

Roger

moop your cohabitor called. She wants that credit card paid for right now.

linette

FACEPALM…. -_-

Andao

Space docking is boring. The lives of real people are interesting. That’s basically it.

anon

I’m sad that Brett pointed you to the FAQ and you still haven’t figured it out. What is “newsworthy” for this site is what becomes popular and discussed on the Chinese internet. That’s the mission of this site. It’s on the About page and the FAQ. Are you brain dead? If you can prove that this story is somehow grossly less popular than the other stories this website translates and posts about, you could jump on the moral pedestal and accuse them of failing to live up to their stated mission.

Unfortunately, if you go look at the source, you’d have to admit that this story was trending on NetEase (amongst other places). They did exactly what they promised they would do. The question is why you ever thought chinaSMACK should change its mission to fit your delicate sensibilities?

Should foreigners drop in on Chinese discussion forums and demand Chinese media to stop perpetuating negative stories about their countries, welcoming racism, name calling, and all other negative behaviors? No doubt there are people who would (if they could), but at some point you need to take your head out of your ass.

This site has a stated mission. You can judge it against what it professes to do. You can even just not like what it professes to do. But failing to understand what it professes to do or intentionally mischaracterizing it reflects upon your own intellectual dishonesty.

mr. wiener

Nice to have you back anon. Haven’t waded through one of your essays for a while :)

Bai Pifu

Now I see why Chinese educators don’t let you ask questions in school. They know that you will never fucking get it, so just memorize it. Here is what you need to know: A mother was FORCED into abortion at 7 months by the gov’t, then realizing they can’t trust/communicate/engage with the gov’t they sought out a reporter who would actually listen. To sum up the victims are now called traitors by other villagers. Got it! now go kiss your mother for not aborting you.

Pete of Perth

Start your own blog.

linette

Chinese farmers are not stupid. They are uneducated. The China gov’t make sure they are uneducated and not to provide any good public school system in the rural areas of China. The gov’t need to exploit them for their cheap labor. I am sure if given the opportunity in their younger years, the Chinese farmers too can become educated.

The Enlightened One

Exactly, they are not stupid at all. They just don’t know any better because nobody has taught them. But a lot of them are getting the internet (I have seen computers in mud houses) and are inevitable getting smarter.

Frank Zappa

which country in the world has money to pay a good education for 1 bilion and more of people? i think we can’t say it’s just gov fault.. they already done a lot teaching them all to read and to write, while in the previous generations it was really rare.

The Enlightened One

Well, it kind of is their fault.

Mao wanted them to have more kids, so they had more kids. Now the government, that Mao created… has to fix their own problems. So really, it is their fault.

Roger

sigh…

nobody managed to answer my question: “why does this specific story about some uneducated people calling a victim a traitor become newsworthy?”

the question above is completely unrelated to the story about an inhumane treatment of a mother and the evil murder of her baby.

why is it that nationalism on the part of the ignorant become more newsworthy than an actual achievement such as the docking of a space station?

moop

you dont really get it do you? it is a FOLLOW UP to a popular story here on this website. it is a FOLLOW UP to a story that was about human rights abuses and the nationalism aspect goes hand-in-hand with the recent news here in china about foreigners and Yang Rui’s ridiculous comments.

Again, considering the fact that man has been docking with space stations since 1978, its NOT NEWS.

Roger

yes. and i can invent a FOLLOW UP story about where that poor woman went for dinner.

these idiots do NOT represent the VAST MAJORITY of chinese. thats the point im trying to make here.

moop

so this story was invented? this woman is being harrassed for bringing the attention of foreign media to human rights abuses. you still don’t get it. are you chinese?

Roger

you again fail to acknowledge the main point im trying to make. which is that these people do not represent the vast majority of chinese.

moop

who cares what your point is? we can see from the comments that these views arent held by a majority of chinese, we can also see this in the article before that. you have no point. your point it saying “the sky is blue”. it’s too obvious to be a point.

anon

I disagree with moop, the space docking is news in China and if its popular amongst Chinese netizens, then it could very well be posted on chinaSMACK. It doesn’t matter if some people don’t think its news, all that matters is that Chinese people are buzzing about it. That’s the point of this site. Not what we commenters dictate as newsworthy.

That said, moop is correct that this is a follow-up story but more importantly, this is a POPULAR follow-up report to an earlier news story, which multiple people have already pointed out to you, Roger, and which is explicitly stated and linked in the translated news story above itself. It’s popular, hence it qualifies to be on this site. Don’t like that editorial criteria? Good luck convincing Fauna and the site to abandon it.

Next, you suggesting follow-up stories being “invented” was you being a retard and asking for it. How could anyone not react to you possibly suggesting this was an “invented” story. They give you their sources, anyone can check for themselves, so you taking that route to express your displeasure with this post is just “brain dead”. You only have yourself to blame for that.

Moreover, that suggestion didn’t really help your main point that these people do not represent the vast majority of Chinese. First, this site already cautions people against making that assumption (see FAQ). Second, unfortunately, there are some people who still insist on making such assumptions (which I’m often flamed for taking issue with myself). Third, did you not read the multitude of Chinese netizen comments that very clearly show that what these people did is not in the least bit agreeable to many other Chinese people? Interestingly, this third point applies equally to the retards in this thread who are getting ahead of themselves talking as if these retards represent Chinese society in general. And here we have you who thinks the opposite but making the same mistake.

Just as a news report featuring parents in Los Angeles spouting off about Confucius Institutes being dangerous Communist propaganda machines doesn’t necessarily reflect the vast majority of Americans, a news report about some villagers in Shaanxi raising banners calling a family traitors obviously doesn’t necessarily represent the vast majority of Chinese. Especially not after Fauna goes through the trouble of translating something like 30 Chinese netizen comments, many of them being amongst the most upvoted comments on Netease, mostly flaming those villagers.

How do you read these things and not process it into a sensible conclusion?

Roger

again. yang rui does not represent the views of the vast majority of chinese. if you knew china better you would agree.

I would say that the majority of chinese like the west and envy it. if somewhat blindly

moop

so, he’s a public figure and he wasn’t even reprimanded by the CCP who he is a mouthpiece of. hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. apparently i know china better than you do ya dummy

Roger

again. the ccp “official party line” no longer represents the viewpoints of most chinese.

if you talked to more chinese you would realize this. but then again, you seem to be convinced that all chinese hate westerners.

Roger

you seem completely ignorant of what chinese people believe in: pursuit of happiness and humane treatment of all people.

moop

yes, my wife hates westerners so much she married me. it doesnt matter if the ccp official party line no longer represents most chinese. its the only party in china and they hold all the power, and they are the only voice inside of china and the only voice for china to the outside world. you really are a tedious ass

moop

“pursuit of happiness and humane treatment of all people.”

hahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahhh

please go fuck yourself with that bullshit. tell the tibetans and the uighurs if they feel that way. or the thousands of their own people rotting in black jails.

please ask your countrymen to fucking prove it. their actions more or less say otherwise

moop

typical chinese mainland beliefs of people 30 years and older (there is still some hoope in the younger generations): my country is the center of the world, and i am the center of the universe, lines are optional and road rules are a boor. my son (if i am lucky) is the SUN and i revolve around him.
china’s experiencing a rebirth and soon it will be time for the rest of the world that wronged us to repent or face being surrounded by jutting jaws and pointed fingers and chastisment.
we are a very accepting and loving people, which is why we stare and point at people that are different from us eventhough it would make us uncomfortable if the situation was reversed. we are a very accepting society but anyone in asia who is not chinese is just a japanese yellow dog or a yellow monkey. we are very generous and therefore actually have the process of only giving in order to recieve institutionalized.
we are very prideful people and take face very seriously. its very different from “honor”. we can do morally unjustifiable things as long as we don’t get caught, thats why its called “face”, because it only matters what is percieved and not what is done.

jin

wowwa moop got a reason to troll and spam chinasmack now, you were born for this moment!!! congratz you did your life purpose, now die.

moop

look up the word troll and then look up the word spam. then hit yourself over the head with a hammer ’cause you’re a retard

anon

Roger, what Yang Rui said unfortunately represents the views of quite a lot of Chinese people, especially when they’re caught up in the moment. It’s just like a lot of commenters here (or people prone to generalizations everywhere). If they calmed down, they don’t necessarily hold to those views absolutely, but given the right circumstances, they can be just as irrational. It’s stupid to think he represents all Chinese, but its also stupid to dismiss him.

Yang Rui also didn’t represent the CCP’s official party line either. His views actually represented heat-of-the-moment nationalistic xenophobes more than the CCP. He wasn’t speaking as a representative of CCTV, just himself. It’s just that he will invariably reflects upon CCTV and the CCP.

Of course Chinese people believe in pursuit of happiness and humane treatment, especially for themselves. EVERYONE believes in this. Who doesn’t want to be happy or humane treatment (and yes, they’re usually thinking about themselves) That they believe in this doesn’t mean they don’t believe in other things, Roger. You’re literally angry at others tarring Chinese people one “negative” brush but instead of shaming them with the fact that diverse Chinese people are diverse in their beliefs, you go to the opposite extreme and tar the Chinese with some “positive” brush. How do you expect to be taken seriously?

That said, moop, if there were only two sides here, I wouldn’t really want to be on your side either. I think you could’ve reacted more effectively. Roger’s position and comments were so absurd, this was really your battle to lose.

jin

moop you mad?

Roger

yes. here you are acknowledging that a chinese woman is willing to marry a western person like yourself, on the other hand thinking that most chinese hate the west.

talk to 10 people in china. I guarantee 7 or 8 will say positive things about the west and say they are disappointed with the CCP.

Roger

its obvious from your comments you know nothing about china.

I have nothing more to say to you

moop

i never said most chinse hated the west. so you are still not making any valid points despite the number of posts you’ve made

moop

lived here for years and you can continue to go fuck yourself. you had nothing to say from the beginning you clown, not reading your pointless shit would be a blessing.

Roger

rude and ignorant. yep. pretty much characterizes the typical you know who

if you hate it so much go back to your home country.

moop

haha, never said i hated china either. i do hate the ccp and i also hate people like you though

Roger

whatever. you have very little ability to logically debate an issue

anon

I’m going to fulfill my role as grand arbiter here and say both of you didn’t debate very logically.

Northerner

Roger, I’d like to join the debate at this point and say, you are obviously a cunt.

I’m sure you don’t realise the fact your self but that doesn’t change the grim reality.

Please die soon.

linette

Roger

…..why is it that nationalism on the part of the ignorant become more newsworthy than an actual achievement such as the docking of a space station?…..

Because there are too many ignorant and they are part of the China society.
Why is it more newsworthy the docking of a space station than China commonly practiced ripping babies out of 7 months pregnant women like this woman, then accuse her of being a traitor for seeking help? I would rather pay more attention to the humanity issue in the society.

Roger

whatever

you have very little ability to logically debate an issue.

moop

“if you hate it so much go back to your home country.”

why? so people like you can continue to do nothing to make it better or push for it? if more chinese acted like you say they believe would there be so many societal problems today here? but you would rather us all be distracted by unimportant nationalist rainbows. the chinese space mission is just a token. its all been done before and it is unimportant.

Little Wolf

Hi
If anybody’s been following it’s moop:15 Roger: 0

Now back to our regular scheduled programming.

Brett Hunan

He seems to have stopped posting. I think thats a record for quickest time running someone out of here.

you should keep it in your pants though. i heard there was a circle jerk around here.

Brett Hunan

Roger, I don’t think you get it. Regardless of whether or not a story is “newsworthy”, chinaSMACK posts stories that get the most attention. They just happen to often be negative, sensationalistic, stories because that is what people comment on.

Whether or not you feel people ganged up on you, the reason is that we enjoy reading these stories; the good, the bad, the sad, the happy, the extreme, the “inhuman”, all of it.

You are right, China isn’t like all of the netizens that post on Netease. The netizens ARE, however, definitely a faction of the Chinese population and this does count for something. No one here thinks that the comments of individuals account for all that encapsulates China and Chinese citizens. If they do, they are most surely wrong (and remarkably idiotic).

You can’t just waltz in here and start slinging shit, challenging everything about the site that we all enjoy reading (less the racist part), and not expect to hear some slack about it.

If you would like to have a conversation, without the feces throwing, try to address the real matters. This site isn’t going to change because you or I or anyone wants it to.

If you would like to defend China and Chinese people, by all means do so. But keep it relevant and instead of challenging the chosen stories and comments, challenge the idiocy that us posters pour out too.

Roger

on the contrary Brett. I started out very respectful. This is my few days knowing this site and I happened to see that the majority of comments on here were remarkably anti-china or anti-chinese. With great restraint, I made my first comment, which simply stated that all media have their own political agenda and it was wrong to call the woman a traitor.

soon after, some shits on this site started with the ad-hominim attacks that soon escalated into a full fledged shitstorm. My first instinct was to leave but I wanted to make one point which was that not all chinese people are not xenophobic nazis as this site might imply.

and I could give less of a damn about what the goal or purpose of this site is.

moop

might i suggest some johnson&johnson no more tears shampoo?

Roger

thank you moop

your ignorance of china despite living here for so long was making me cry

I must congratulate you on coming up with a response that isnt ad-hominim mud slinging. because thats what monkeys do

Roger

you expats are too easy. no wonder you couldn’t find a job back in your home country.

moop

actually you are proving to be quite the stereotype. enjoy the shampoo girly-mouth. at least you’ll be a tearless stereotype with clean hair ya pussy

moop

“you expats are too easy. no wonder you couldn’t find a job back in your home country.”

sent here by an australian company and i work with the chinese government and make a decent sum of money. keep throwing around that “can’t find a job” grenade, its bound to hit something, but it wont hit most of us here.

mr. wiener

Ahh,
So you came here to a site who’s articles you don’t agree with , tried to have a serious argument. ignored anyone who did want to have a serious argument [like anon] and now you are still here to tell all the expats what losers they are.
We’ll I guess we’ve all been told then.

Roger

moop… moop

when will you get it. you cant win. you will just get humiliated again and again if you refuse to come up with any creative comebacks. You need to do better than calling someone a pussy. A elementary student can do better than that.

then again, theres a reason why expats here in china couldnt find a job in the western world.

mr. wiener

Started my own business, it sux to be me.

Roger

yes. im sure all of you started a “business” here in china. the living standards here are soo much better than in the west right.

dont give me that shit about being an employee of a international company in china. not even us chinese want to stay in this country.

moop

now come the self-contratulatory pats on the back like he’s won something.

roger, you not only don’t grasp what this story and website are about, you fail to grasp reality. you’ve been inventing your own in every post. you have not made a single clear point and even the points you did try to make were not well defended. that is because you are full of shit and lack the mental capacity to form a reasonable argument. mommy and daddy wasted a lot of money sending you overseas to get an education.

Brett Hunan

not even us chinese want to stay in this country.

Wow, Roger, you really outdid yourself with that one.

moop

we’re here to cohabitate with your women and take gps maps of this godforsaken land. didnt you get the memo? of course you did.

Little Wolf

Oh waaaaahhhhhhh, Roger! Unable to manipulate this site to fit your agenda so you want to bitch and complain because some “shits” aren’t going to allow you to just start running things around here?

Why is it the biggest displays of balls from Chinese on this site are mostly coming from 3 girls? (Linette, Fauna and eattot)

whiskersthecat

Roger, why are you so defensive? You keep saying the same things over and over. “They don’t represent the vast majority of Chinese!” We get it. I think the point of the story was to say that these people in this village called her a traitor, not the majority of Chinese.

But I do like how, in your nationalist rage, you started echoing the same lame attempts at insults over and over. How many times did you mention a “circle jerk”? It sounds like you’re hinting at what you’re desiring: A bunch of white men surrounding you, circle jerking.

You’re so dense, Roger, and you’ve made a fool of yourself. I’m guessing you’re going to get defensive and say that your foolishness doesn’t represent the vast majority of the Chinese populace, right?

The Enlightened One

Oh Roger,

You tell us (westerners) not to generalize and then you get angry and made a huge sweeping statement that all westerners here couldn’t land a job back home. English teacher or not, that doesn’t mean anyone is a loser.

I am self-employed and run an online business. I could do it from my home country, China or wherever. I do it from here because my wife is close to her family and I want her to be happy… but people like YOU and your government… make it increasingly difficult. Because I am a westerner in China, I am automatically a loser? I can’t make it in my own country? What kind of idiocy is this? Isn’t that more or less insulting your homeland, your people and yourself?

You really do fit the stereotype once you get a little rattled.

whiskersthecat

I’m a photographer, if we’re all listing our jobs for Roger. Well, I’m a photographer even if we aren’t. You know what I mean. I would love to photograph you though, Roger. I know a great mound of rubble you can stand on, shield in hand, dressed up as a knockoff Captain Amer–er, I mean Captain China.

hess

wow, just wow..
looks like you lost moop, big time..
oh wait

Roger

Looks like I really did strike a nerve with the no jobs comment. I made every expat on here list what their job is. :D

I still love laowai though.

Roger

By the way my boys, hows that Chinese language study coming along? I mean after so many years in the heavenly kingdom your Chinese skills have gotten up to high school level right?

mr. wiener

You know what I think pisses you off the most Roger? Spending all that time and money studying OS ,or at a very good school, or being an ABC and getting back to China and thinking you are going to be the shit…..and WTF those blasted girls are all chasing laowai!
Fuck!
And look at the bastards. These guys are losers back in their own country! Why don’t you girls want me?! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ………………

It’s ok to feel like that, really, you’ll find a nice girl one day, In fact I know a nice half german half chinese girl I could set you up with, She even posts on here sometimes….goes by the name of Hongjian.

anon

Hongjian is several orders of magnitude more intelligent than this guy. I must say, I’m starting to suspect Roger isn’t even Chinese, or at least definitely not an ordinary mainland Chinese person.

I haven’t checked if I’ve gotten any replies on my previous responses to you, Roger, but I think you’re being both unfair and dishonest (not to say that moop doesn’t have his faults but you need to be honest with yourself too). Did anyone take any issue with your initial respectful comments? I don’t think so. People took issue with your subsequent comments that were questionable. Don’t conflate the two as if anyone was being unfair to you. I’ll grant that moop’s reactions to you weren’t very polite, but you were hardly being polite to him either.

You have two main points here:

1) These villagers in Shaanxi don’t represent the vast majority of Chinese people.

Yes, that’s very likely true. Your mistake is in thinking everyone here thinks that. Notice that there are a lot of different commenters here. SOME have made comments that suggests they’re generalizing and being ignorant. OTHERS have not. You need to avoid generalizing the commenters here just as you want the commenters here to not generalize the Chinese.

2) You object to this site’s content and regardless of what its stated purpose and methodology is, you want it to post more positive stories about China.

I’ve already responded to you about this. Bottom line is that you’re whining because you don’t like what you see and you’re unwilling to be rational about it, demanding that others conform to your whims. That’s just not going to happen. Get a clue. There are two things you should be doing: 1) Trying to lessen the negative things that happen in China, and 2) Trying to encourage greater rationality from those who are beholding the negative things about China. What you shouldn’t be doing is trying to stick your head in the ground and demand that everyone else do the same.

linette

……and WTF those blasted girls are all chasing laowai!…

Stop putting Chinese guys down. Many and many Chinese women love Chinese men. My father he is THE BEST. The Chinese girls who find good Chinese boys they are lucky to have each other.
I don’t understand why you folks keep saying those Chinese girls are chasing laowai. Not the Chinese girls around me.

Anyway, any women that chase after men they need to get a reality check. It should be the other way around.

Roger

Haha. with these expats it’s always about something sexual. Notice I never mentioned a thing about chinese women and their preferences. I welcome chinese women to date whoever they want.

why do you people always quote yang rui? is it because you are idiots like he is?

Roger

I think it is amusing that expats who couldnt didnt settle down in their home country, instead going to a third world country like my own, are proud of the fact that there are girls who like you.

REALITY check. you are the one who thinks you are the shit.

whiskersthecat

Roger, you suck so bad at trolling people. You’re worse than that one guy I had to have a talk with the other day. I forgot his name…crap

Roger

if im a troll then you are doing a terrible job at ignoring me.

whiskersthecat

Haha, no Roger, everyone is enjoying you for sure.

Roger

whisker whisker

no wonder you couldnt find a real profession and ended up a photographer. you completely lack the ability to logically debate an issue outside of slinging shit like “haha…”.

moop

roger, what is it exactly that you do? what job did mommy and daddy find for you?

whiskersthecat

Roger, I’m not going to talk about circle jerks with you. That’s gross and you should be ashamed of yourself.

linette

You three are still at it? How about ruff ruff, meow meow, and Roger play nice together? I don’t think all three of you are so bad.

wacky

i am not so sure if this is even a news? the original story is.
maybe just an int

Roger

sigh…

nobody managed to answer my question: “why does this specific story about some uneducated people calling a victim a traitor become newsworthy?”

the question above is completely unrelated to the story about an inhumane treatment of a mother and the evil murder of her baby.

why is it that nationalism on the part of the ignorant become more newsworthy than an actual achievement such as the docking of a space station?
…..

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dr_barefoot

Then go elsewhere.
This is not a news site btw, just a site that reports latest hot topics discussed on the Chinese internet.
Go tell the majority of chinese netizens that “this is now newsworthy” maybe they’ll care.

Just passing through

I would like to give it a shot at answering Roger’s question.

The reason why this story is more ‘newsworthy’ is because even though it is an isolated incident, and blatantly wrong on so many levels, and that it’s condemned by the vast majority of Chinese people, it persists. It is happening, local government allowed it to happen, people believe that local government MADE it happen.

Do you not see how extreme this story is? How far fetched? And you must realise the vast majority of China consist of these rural places. The MAJORITY of the Chinese population live in these rural places and are subject to the rules of local governments, not unlike the ones people associate with the forced abortion incident.

I think the vast majority of westerners who read about these news stories are not laughing and pointing fingers at China, mocking the country for its backwardness, instead I believe they are sympathizing with the victims. Westerners want human rights for Chinese citizens more than Chinese people, because they know that only when the people are protected under basic human rights can the PEOPLE KEEP THEIR GOVERNMENT IN CHECK.

Most people, normal people would feel empathy for the unfortunate family. People who are jaded enough and desensitized to such an extent to read about the incident, shrug, and make a remark about them being uneducated hillbillies, contribute to the problem and are the main reason why these incidents persist in modern China.

Little Wolf

Jpt: If this was on reddit, I would have upvoted it. Don’t be glum if nobody replied. It is standing alone on it’s own legs.

Roger

bottom line. this is just some idiots who badmouthed a person that suffered under inhumane birth control policies.

coverage of inhumane birth control is newsworthy

nationalistic idiots that call others traitor for talking to foreign media is not news worthy

linette

I am pretty sure you know these farmers are paid by the gov’t to harass the woman and her family. It’s not just bad mouth. Without the media attention and protection the woman and her family would be in jail by now being beaten to death. People died and disappear in rural areas in China, abused by China authority.
This article is news worthy for China smack because it’s a follow up to what happened to this woman after being forced abortion at 7 months. Her sister took photos of her and her dead baby and posted on the internet causing massive reaction around the globe on internet. Now China gov’t is retaliating trying to hurt her and her family maybe trying to kill her. I strongly believe her life and her family are in great danger. The China gov’t will not end there. They will shut her up and punish her for exposing them. They need to use her to set example to the China people. Look what they did to Chen Guangcheng. This tells you the ugly truth about the China gov’t official.
If you do not care about how China gov’t is running the country maybe you do not love China.

linette

Roger

,,,,,,,,,,, which is that these people do not represent the vast majority of chinese………..

You are missing the IMPORTANT ISSUE of this article. This article is not about a few crazy farmers calling a woman a traitor because she did an interview with foreigner. It’s about China gov’t’s RETALIATION on people who expose them to the public. It’s a follow up to the other story. This is why we are so upset with the corruption of China gov’t.

Roger

the government will never change. and i agree these people were hired by the government.

however, sometimes chinasmack makes it look like all chinese people are xenophobic. but that isn’t the case at all.

Roger

I hate the ccp corruption as much as anyone out there.

linette

I am glad you hate ccp corruption. That is a good start. Corruption is the roots of all evil in ccp. Too much corruption. No justice.

Andao

Then do something about it.

You don’t need another Audi or a 300 sq m bieshu or another ernai. You need a real government and a real society.

hess

I don’t get it why Audis are considered “the tits” here.
They’re average Joes cars in Sweden along with Volvos..

linette

don’t say never. Never = zero hope. We the Chinese are in trouble.

hess

If it won’t change, its because of people like you.
At least linette has a clue.

dr_barefoot

Then go elsewhere.
This is not a news site btw, just a site that reports latest hot topics discussed on the Chinese internet.
Go tell the majority of chinese netizens that “this is now newsworthy” maybe they’ll care.

dr_barefoot

to: Roger

dr_barefoot

i meant “not newsworthy”

Roger

why should I?

articles on chinasmack make all chinese people look xenophobic when that is far from the truth. I have a stake as a chinese person to point that out.

dr_barefoot

chinasmack is just a reflection of the Chinese internet.
Everybody is xenophobic to some degree, in China and abroad, stop feeling self-conscious.

Digression: the interesting/unsettling thing about xenophobia/racism in China is that it is a tool so commonly used by the gvt (on TV or internet, dunno about print media) to rally people around in the great “one country one heart” nationalistic pride bs spirit.

hess

The articles on chinasmack are from the most popular on the chinese internet.. How can you not understand this?
And we can clearly see that you’re chinese, as you keep ranting with your retarded “arguments” in order to “save face”

Ian G

He gets paid his 50 cents for each post doesnt he? Anyone want to add it up? I can’t be bothered.

whiskersthecat

What you actually need is steak as a Chinese person. It might calm you down if you eat something delicious for once.

anon

So random it made me laugh out loud.

The Enlightened One

Yeah, this comment was quite strange.

Hey calm down angry Chinese guy!

*Throw steak*

That will calm him down.

whiskersthecat

“I have a stake as a chinese person…” -Roger

Come on, guys. The only thing better at calming down even the most jingoistic half-wit than a clever pun is a delicious steak. This should not be strange.

anon

LOL, yeah, maybe it would’ve been easier to spot if there wasn’t a few comments in between. Either way, a good laugh that doesn’t rely on something inherently offensive. Much appreciated.

Roger

HAHAHA soo funny.

steak – stake

GET IT? hahaha
you are so clever

Brett Hunan

articles on chinasmack make all chinese people look xenophobic

From your defensive stance it does. That doesn’t make your accusation true.

The Enlightened One

Roger,

I am certain most westerners don’t think all Chinese are xenophobic. That makes no sense at all. You guys are driving foreign cars, eating western food, dressing yourself up in foreign fashion, learning foreign languages…. etc.. etc.. etc…

How can they open up to all this yet still be xenophobic? Seems impossible. You can’t just take parts of western or foreign culture without taking parts of western or foreign culture… know what I mean?

linette

I agree with The Enlightened One. How can they open up to all this yet still be xenophobic? Look how many interracial marriages also. black, white, yellow, red, brown…all mixed in.

And look at the shit those couples are recieving linette.
No, all chinese are definitely not xenophobic. But too many are, but you won’t agree to this, cause it was said by a “laowai”

linette

hess,

Xenophobic happens everywhere. Yes, China also have many people who are xenophobic. It will get better as time change. Give them time. Don’t just blame China.

I am sure there are TONS of racism against Asian people in your country too. If the Asian Causcasian married couples are living in your country, they will be mistreated too, probably even worst. Especially for the Asians. I do not want to live in your country. Like no way.

hess

Yes. SWEDEN has TONS of racism towards Asians, grr do we hate those Asians! Going to Sweden, working, studying! God damn we hate them! There’s even a stereotype about Asians being hardworking, never fiddling with taxes. They got it just because we hate them so much.
Sweden has 22% immigrants, a mixed race couple is nothing people notice, it’s just there.
Good thing you would’nt want to live there, you wouldn’t fit in. You’re just too xenophobic (Xenophobia is defined as “an unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange.” Pretty sure you had no idea what it meant.)

linette

okay………
I am sure Sweden has a good gov’t system if they have welfare and take of the poor. Good for you. :)

I am not xenophobic. Nice try.

hess

You’re not xenophobic? Yet you assume that sweden is a racist place simply because its a country you’re not familiar with. Irony

Roger

Im glad you realize Chinese people are not xenophobic. Ordinary chinese are very open to western ideas and technology, but the government keeps trying to rile up nationalist sentiment.

wacky

the birth control policy is a necessary to control the population, the population keep growing and consuming the resources, the more people you have the more resources you consume, and the world simply could not cope with that.
i think the birth control policy is a must in every developing country in the world.

the problem with this case is not about the birth control policy but rather with the implementation of the policy, i too can say that the woman violated the law first by having the baby, then the official violated the law by aborting the 7 month fetus.

as for the foreign media, we dont know what kind of news would they show, is it the real situation or would they blow it out of proportion, but nevertheless speaking to the foreign median does not make her a traitor either as she neither aware about the news nor watch the foreign media.

bendaxiong

i see many two children families here in the Jing. I think that the second child should be taken out and shot regardless of their age or sex. Teach the parents a lesson.
the basic point that the law is routinely violated and then other laws equally routinely violated when local govt wants to uphold first law. the whole thing then becomes a bad joke.
So, maybe it should be amended to: take out and shoot all second children of CCP officials and CCP members, regardless of age.

wacky

people can have 2 children if they can pay for it, if one of the children is foreign national (including hk and macau) or if the children are twin

abiding the law is necessary so if she should be punish for it so should the officer.

linette

people can have 2 children if they can pay for it, if one of the children is foreign national (including hk and macau….

Hong Kong gov’t needs to ban all China people from coming in to give birth and obtain HK citizenships. HK gov’t should also revoke all hk citizenships given to those China children whose parents don’t reside or work in HK and pay tax.
This way they will stop the China mothers from sending in tenths of thousand of kids to HK just to use the free education, healthcare,etc and not have to pay tax.
They are draining the HK resources. Killing the HK people. It’s hard for HK people to start a family. Everything too expensive and not enough resources. There are only a bit less than 7 millions hk people on earth. These Cantonese are going to extinct.

hess

“There are only a bit less than 7 millions hk people on earth.”
There’s 9.5 million Swedish, with about 22% of them being immigrants, you dont here me bitching about Sweden getting extinct.
You’re the one true example of double standards.
In one post fighting of laowai critizing China as they’re the scourge of the earth, in another saying that HK should “n all China people from coming in to give birth and obtain HK citizenships.”

linette

hess

I have no problem anyone getting HK citizenships. But they must stay and reside in HK. Meaning even if they have to give up their own country citizenship and join HK. Would you want HK people to send tenths of thousands of HK kids to Switzerland and use your resources and not pay tax? NOt supporting your gov’t and your economy? What will happen to your country and your economy. Someone has to pay tax and work and support the gov’t you know. Not just drain it and abuse it.

linette

correction:

I meant sweden.

Dr SUN

Linnette I think you will far more objection from the Chinese Hong Kongers with dual citizenship than from foreigners with dual nationality if you forced them to give one up.

hess

Mistaking Sweden for Switzerland, a great start..
Would you want HK people to send tenths of thousands of HK kids to Switzerland and use your resources and not pay tax?
Wow, here I thought Sweden had one of the most generous immigration politics in the world, guess HK has that! Right? And what about tax? I pay 31% income tax, I bet you pay more! Or?..
And on top of that at least 25% of anything you buy.
Don’t bitch to a Scandinavian that you’re country has high taxes.

hess

“you’re”
damnit!

linette

Hess,
I will take note of that. I know where to send my future kids in case the HK gov’t system crash due the China people draining it. I won’t live in Sweden though. Just send the kids and use your resources and leave when they are done. Back to HK.

hess

linette.
I’m pretty sure that you know nothing about Sweden, I’m actually fairly sure that you don’t even know where Sweden is. But let me put this easy for you; Sweden is a welfare state, far more so than HK. People use it everyday, and we have to pay for it. Sweden is still here, and it always will be.

wacky

@linette
i think that those mainlanders are taking advantages of the weak hk legal system, but until hk government changes that what they are doing is legal

i dont know about cantonese being extinct there are lots of cantonese in guangdong province, when i went to zhaoqing most of the people there spoke very bad mandarin,
and it is funny to see hongkongers arguing that cantonese are going to extinct, i red an article about how hk parents prefer to speak english to their children, when i went to hk i did see some of the parents do so. and i dont think that hk is holding on to the cantonese when i was there i talked in englsih everytime, i met a japanese in guangzhou who used to work in hk but speak no cantonese nor mandarin

linette

wacky,
Hk people speak fluent Cantonese. That is our first language. Many of us can also understand some English and speak it. Our mandarin is poor, but many of us still understand Mandarin.

About Hk people being extinct, I am just implying that our system and gov’t are dying, losing control. We are losing control of our own land.

Northerner

Linette

I had a raging arguement with my neighbours the other night. You’ll appreciate the dense living conditions here. Well this is a family from the mainland and they repeatedly keep their door open at all hours with about 10 of them in an apartment made for about two. The noise gets extreme. The building management have given up as they mainlanders ignore every request to keep to their own apartment and stop disturbing their neighbours. This particular night I went to talk to them myself. The response was ‘This is China!’ Apart from being slightly amused by the fact I thought for a moment I might be in the film 300 (and I was standing next to the elevator shaft on the 55th floor) overall I was saddened that the implication from those and other comments was that even as a tax paying resident contributing to the economy here, basically as a foreigner I have no rights. I’m pretty certain many mainlanders will hold the same attitude to Hong Kong people, after all you snuggled up to the colonialist dogs and betrayed your motherland to build one of the greatest cities on the planet. Good luck for the future of Hong Kong as we know/knew it.

Andao

Anyone who is rich enough to pay the fee can have as many kids as they like. It’s a “rich people have many kids policy”, not a one child policy. Very appropriate for a communist country where, you know, the working classes rule.

The birth control policy is NOT necessary to control the population. No other country in the world had to do this to achieve developed nation status. China is less densely populated than nearly every European country, so please do not try the “but there’s so many Chinese people!” argument.

wacky

rich people can have many kids because theoretically can afford to raise the children.

when the european rose to become developed country they were supported by resources from their former colony, today china does not have such situation, china is a large country but many large area like tibet are unpopulated and cant be populated. china has sacrificed a lot of its natural resources to achieve current economic condition, even today with the policy still about 6-7 millions baby are born in china every year.

Andao

That’s a pretty disingenuous response. Just because some guy can’t pay 300,000 RMB to have a second child, doesn’t mean he can’t afford to support the child. With 300k a family could pay for everything a child needs for years and years. Instead they have to give it to the gov who does…what exactly with the money? Does anyone know where “extra baby” money goes?

I’m extremely skeptical that colonies made average Europeans especially rich, or gave them the means to support big families. I think it is much more likely that women’s education and participation in the work force naturally reduced the birth rate, just the same as it has done in every country in the world.

linette

It’s a “rich people can have many kids policy”, not a one child policy. ..

This part I agreed.

wacky

yes the law is weak but the law is law until it is changed people have to abide by it, whether it is a woman in the remote village or a government official. i am very much in favor of law supremacy and i think that the woman should be punished for having second child but the official too should be punished for aborting 7 month old fetus they should have done that early on the pregnancy
i think if one can pay that much money show that they are ready and capable of rising the child.
the woman we are talking about here obviously could not afford that much money. people too have a responsibility to monitor how government use the money after all corruption too is against the law.

and yes i think china today has an excess of population that the european did not have back then the problems of population today are different from those in the past. in the past developed country were the only major consumption of world resources today all the developing countries are emerging and started to consume more.
in the past we did not have electricity now we do, energy consumption has never been this big, china which is still a developing country already consume in large quantity.
in the past there were only 7 or 8 developed country then we have hongkong singapore south korea and taiwan, outside of this 4 small countries i have not seen any other country moving closer to reach a developed status, yet the rate of consumption is rising so is the population
philippines population increases 3 times in 30 yearhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Philippines#Philippine_census_surveys

these countries are not going to become a developed country soon yet the birth rate is stable means they are going to consume more.
usually the families with many children are poor family with no access to the family planing program

well i dont think that beijing are in favor of keeping hk as a separate entity ” a house divided against itself cant stand”, hk as a separate entity is not a good thing, even today US warships often come to visit hk how would beijing think about that??

linette

wacky

Hk people want it to remain ONE COUNTRY TWO SYSTEMS. We will fight to preserve our language. We won’t go down easy.

wacky

well then good luck for you, but i think for beijing the importance of hk does not go beyond economic reason ,if any city in guangdong like guangzhou or shenzhen, etc can reach the hk level the improtance of hk is going to disappear

http://www.kalanstar.com KopyKatKiller

Free HongKong!

HongKong, part of China? What did they ever do to deserve that? Poor bastards…

well, to be fair we can say that all media are propaganda, i dont know about chinese media (my chinese is pretty low enough to watch cartoon but not news) but watching cctv news i can say that most of the news are indeed pro china but not anti foreign countries, while bbc (i think bbc is government owned) news about china is almost always have anti china tone.

Fang Rui Qiu

Of course, what these backwater pieces of human trash don’t realize is that the situation is going to be an even greater embarassment for China in the international community after news of this boot-licking “patriotism” show gets out. I really don’t get it — they’re like animals that just love getting whipped by their masters. Just fucking can’t get enough of it, to the extent that they’re offended by the idea of Western civil society/foreign influence. I guess my frame of view is so stamped by my own acculturation that I’m incapable of truly understanding how people can self-police these insane, one-way power structures.

mr. wiener

China theatre presents: China Story!
Scene opens with Charictiture of a white capitalist [complete with uncle sam top hat and union jack waistcoat] kicking a Chinese peasant.
White Capitalist: “Work harder Yellow scum!”
Peasant: “You just don’t get it white devil”
*Aiyo*[is kicked.]
“I come from a culture with 5000 years of civilization”
[Kicked]
“My ancestors where sailing the oceans while yours where sitting in a cave scratching your fleas!”
[kicked]
“we will never willingly submit to barbarian rule!”
White Capitalist: “Shut up while I’m trying to civilize you” [kicks]
CHinese Communist Cadre: ” Leave that peasant alone white capitalist devil! The Chinese people reJect you and your bankrupt culture. The way to self determinisation rests solely with the Chinese nation. We shall attain our true destiny as the paramount nation in the world”.
White Capitalist: “OK I’m leaving”
Chinese Communist Cadre: “Back to work comrade peasant” [Kicks peasant]
Peasant: “Heavens be praised thank you noble sir. These barbarians will never understand China!!”

moop

hahaha

Ian G

Shades of Orwell’s Animal Farm and a reasonable representation of the state of China today.

The Enlightened One

Amusing. Unfortunately, quite true.

hess

i actually lol’d

linette

sad but true……..

dragon (aka Roger)

the western devil will be defeated soon enough

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whiskersthecat

Haha Roger, you fail so hard

Roger

Seeing by the type of comments you make:
“you are a troll”
“you fail”

seems like your IQ is no higher than whiskerthecat. incapable to any substance other than meow.

whiskersthecat

Considering that my name on ChinaSMACK is “whiskersthecat”, I would agree that yes, it is actually impossible for my IQ to be higher or lower than my own IQ.

Roger

whisker… youve just humiliated yourself again!

given that I was first joking about your IQ being lower than a cat’s, you proceeded to say that I was referring to your online persona “whiskerthecat”

by that logic, your online persona referring to the person behind the keyboard, then “whiskerthecat” and you must have EQUAL iq scores.

you are such an idiot. did you even pass basic logic?

whiskersthecat

Haha Roger, you seem angry. Why are you angry?

Roger

yet another no substance post.

when you post substance it is illogical. otherwise you post air.

Brett Hunan

Using multiple identities isnt cool man. Its dishonest and the last resort of someone about to give up. Let me suggest to not try that again. You dont wanna get banned when you’re having so much fun, do you?

@mod~ nice ;)

Roger

whatever

you still butthurt?

Brett Hunan

No, and I dont belive I ever was. I just dont like when people use multiple identities. I dont mind talking with you Roger, just dont be disingenuous.

kodi

People who are taught not to think will usually draw a blank when met with a moral situation such as this. All some people know how to do is blindly serve a power they see as selfishly looking out for the good of the masses. Don’t blame the idiots for not knowing how to be humane. Blame the power that forced the family to commit this act because they really had no choice. The people calling the girl and the family traitors don’t know better and they are just sheep. Its a tough situation when less than half of the population is civilized enough to ask questions and have a sense of right and wrong. Thats when things like ” the cultural revolution” happen.

Just passing through

Seeing how nonchalantly people carried out this little mini parade, I would guess that this is a tactic that the rural government often employ to get rid of people they don’t like. Being called a traitor in China is equivalent to being called a Nazi in western countries, it evokes such strong negative feelings that it’s hard to defend your position because people are too busy hissing and booing.

However I am very glad that with modern technology these incidents are captured digitally, and uploaded for everyone to see. If it weren’t for the internet, the vast majority of the more priviledge Chinese would not know that events such as these took place and the family planning officials would not be punished. I believe this is a step in the right direction, government officials should be held responsible for their actions and the first step is to let everyone know what exactly what atrocious deeds they’ve committed.

grovesman

Song for this artice: The Beverly Hillbillies

Well this is a story about a man name Jed
Poor mountaineer, barely kept his family fed

Adam

It gets better – now local officials have decided to abduct the father. some families get all the luck…

Patrick

Local officials are the biggest asses. At least the central government knows when to go with public opinion.

Allen

I’ve long said: China is no where near to defeating it’s enemy.
Why? Because China has yet to even determine correctly who that enemy is.
A couple hints; 1. No, it’s not the US. 2. Stop looking “out there” your enemy is NOT out there. Start looking within; that’s where he’s to be found.

Hongjian

I feel proud of my countrymen being actually so patriotic to raise such a protest for the sake of combatting “national traitors”.

China, as it is today, is far better off when being driven by hate, chauvinism and unreasonable xenophobia, than being merely driven by nothing but plain materialism.

I actually see this thing here as a huge success for China. Finally, Chinese people mobilized themselves for something other than just for the sake of getting something for free at the nearest supermarket.

May China be a nation propelled by deep hatred of the western world. Every great empire needs a healthy dose of scorn at those who are standing in their way.

China’s eternal problem was that they never hated anyone, not even their arch-enemies like the Mongols and Japanese, and were always swallowed by them since they lacked the resolve to resist coming from the lack of hate against the invaders, because the lack of a truely national, popular hate denied the entire empire to band together and resist foreign aggression. The lack of an unifying hate also propelled internal rot and corruption, which was the final nail in the coffin of every Chinese dynasty.
But now, with China apparently having attained a feel of unifying nationalist hate against the west, which I hope will lead to the emergence of a siege-and-castle-mentality, the stability and ability of the Chinese nation and state to act for their interests will be assured, at least in this field.

Nazi Germany also could only fight a vicious war against the whole world, because they were spirited and unified in their hate against the enemy of the Reich. China, up now, was never able to replicate that, due to their mentioned lack of such a unifying spirit.
Now, with this spirit, at least on the small scale, in place I expect nothing less from the Chinese Reich but to replicate the power, the might and the legacy of the greatest empires in human history.

If this poor mother and her seven month old child must be the sacrifice for national strenght through hate against the vicious enemies in the western world and for the rise of China as a dominant and independent power, it is a price that is just too cheap for not being paid.

The Enlightened One

Are you trying to win your seat on the CCP or just an epic troll?

moop

nah, hongjian is just one of the more consistant jokes on this site. back in kindergarten no one wanted to share their toys with the little red rocket and he’s taken it very personal. later in life as an awkward teen he was always picked last for soccer and the hate and resentment continued. as a young adult he joined the german military and recieved further ridicule because of the posters of tim mcveigh and the unibomber. one night, in a fit of furious masturbation to said posters, he was caught red handed by his brothers in arms and dishonorably discharged for being a twink and absolute failure

The Enlightened One

LOL. That’s quite a sad story, sounds like a case of serial killer in the making due to self loathing and closet homosexuality.

Judging by his post, he is just purely just trolling.

Obviously, he used the quotation marks on “national traitors” on purpose (suggests they aren’t traitors) and using the term “unreasonable xenophobia.”

This suggests he understands reason (because it is unreasonable) and would know that now he is being unreasonable with his post, which makes the whole thing contradictory. Basically, that means this post is a load of garbage and really means nothing.

He is trolling dumb people who will flame and hate on him for something he doesn’t even really believe.

Next troll please!

Hongjian

Partly.

But I meant no trolling or irony, since it is the spirit of these people I admire, even though they obviously picked on the wrong target.

An aggressive and hateful spirit as theirs today, is something very rare to find in a society that is made of apathy and materialism.
People like them, who are even ready to get off their asses from their comfy sofas made of said apathy and materialism to mobilize for a cause, no matter how wrong morally, is still better than having no spirit.
Something so non-profit and materially unimportant as ‘national treason’, becoming a cause for conflict and effort from the Chinese people today? Doesnt this sound absolutely strange?

But obviously, there are still people out there who care about stuff that has nothing to do with Audis, Luxury Houses, Gold-Bars and Maotai. There are people out there, who are actually concerned with such unprofitable matters as ‘treachery against the nation’.

Call this unreasonable spirit of hate stupid, wicked and evil. But at least it is still a strong spirit, which is better than no spirit at all in a society that needs it the most.

For that, I admire them very much.

anon

Is it me or does this NOT actually sound like Hongjian?

Only the faintest whisper of a somewhat profound point is in this (that its good when people mobilize for values or principles and not just for practical material interests). I’m accustomed to Hongjian making such a point in a more effective manner (that is also simultaneously much more infuriating to those who are foolish enough to take Hongjian at face value).

Something isn’t right here. Or have I been away too long? It was just a week…

The Enlightened One

Are you male or female?

You are quite aggressive like a male but I read some posts that say you are a half-German, half-Chinese female.

Is this true?

If so, you may be way more warped than I intentionally thought.

anon

No, TEO, don’t fall for the Hongjian is a female trap!

moop

another mastabatory fantasy brought to you by your favorite nationalist and all-round crazy idiot, hongjian

Bang

These protesters were bus loaded in to town then fed and paid to attack this poor girl’s family.

Is this an example of China united against the west?
Is Bullying the week for money an example of spirit thats needed in China

Its more an example of greed rather than your non profit rage against the west.
These people are coward skum.

Bang

lol so many mistake!!!!!

I just wanted to reply quick and fast

Hongjian

Your dog is ugly.

This race of dogs reminds me of what humankind did to the proud wolves they once were, capturing them, imprisoning them, put them under leashes, imbreeding them with the weakest and most teratist specimens of their race, torturing and mutilating them over and over, from one generation to another until becoming an unidentifiable meat-ball made of ugly, shaking, overlapping tissues of sadness and misery while only being capable of performing the doggish ritual of unquestioning loyalty. For they now are truely ‘dogs’ not wolves anymore. This process is what we call “to domesticate”.

This same fate awaits those who stand against the hegemony of the western world. Those who are seeking to be an independent great power unfetted by western control over their fortunes and fate.
This process of “domestication” is exactly what the US and their western lackeys seek to commit on China. They call that “to become a responsible, democratic and liberal stakeholder in the international system” – the same system they alone created WITHOUT the consent of those they seek to rule with it.

Your ugly lump of meat and tissue you call “dog” cant help but be liberal, democratic and peaceful.
But it will never be a wolf who is able to freely hate, freely scorn, freely kill and freely love whoever it wants. For this is true freedom, not the “freedom” of the domesticated animal.

Call that nationalism, call that drivel, call that masturbatory fantasy.
I still wish my nation and country to be the wolf. Not your ugly dog.

Patrick

Who’s that blowhard scary bitch they had doing the news in North Korea? ‘Cause got to say you share an equal ability to delude yourselves. If the Chinese truly banded together they’d be ripping those government officials aka thugs apart.

Hongjian

Fine with me.

Even though I think that people’s rule in China will result to chaos and anarchy, I still hope this will be accomplished one day.
But then, even with a democratic and liberal China, I stil hope that she will rip you fuckers some new anuses in your asses, if you continue to attempt to contol and contain her.

Real freedom is great, but to those who are profiteering from oppression and control of a global scale, it is not: The Western world are the government officials aka thugs on the global level.
And they have to be ripped apart along with those in China.

anon

This sounds more like the Hongjian I know!

“Your dog is ugly.”

LOL.

moop

when have the chinese ever been wolves? you ever looked at a chinese poll? its always like 90+% agreeing. if you want to start on this kind of racial shit, its sounds like chinese are more like sheep or cattle who have been stuck in a cattle car too long and are a little honery. dogs herd sheep and drive cattle. see how racists bullshit is bullshit?
when they werent being defeated by outside invaders, they were fighting eachother. you are living in a fantasy world. nothing in chinese history or culture even leads a rational-thinking human being to believe your shit. you are not a wolf. you are a pussy behind a computer. no one takes you seriously. you and your ideas are a joke, literally. we joke about assholes like you on a regular basis.

Hongjian

Chinese have never been wolves, and this is why I wish they should be wolves, beginning with hating and scorning. Easy as that.

When people can actually have emotions which leads to acutal actions, they are at least a level above being sheeps and dogs.
It would be nice if you are clever enough to deduce this yourself, instead of posting your nonsensical shit, were I have to explain something, so that an idiot like you could understand it.

But it matters not. You are just an unintelligent failure, who should at least possess so much honour to relieve your poor pet from his suffering of being alive, both with you and being such an ugly, mutilated specimen.

And if you are already in the process of doing so, do the world and humanity a favour and end yourself too. Thank you.

mr. wiener

You forgot to say “kill all Americunts’ , but what the hey, it was a vintage rant. Welcome back Hongjian, long time no froth at the mouth :)

Roger

No, we as chinese must never learn to hate. The reason we were so late in industrializing was due to xenophobia and feeling of superiority.

We chinese need to be industrious, learn from all anything positive the western world has to offer. The western hemisphere can teach us much.

You are right in that we have become much too materialistic. However, that is due to a century of abject poverty as well as disastrous policies under the cultural revolution under mao.

We can be strong without being xenophobic and full of hate.

The Enlightened One

That is quite true. But the Chinese really need to change in how they perceive “face”. I think is one of the greatest flaws of the Chinese people.

It’s like “honor” except without code and only for yourself. It’s like never admitting you are wrong and never reflecting on mistakes. Once this “face” thing is removed (along with certain levels of corruption) and creativity is added into education, I think the Chinese people can surpass any nation in many areas.

Capt. WED

what? Face is not about never admitting your are wrong. Well someone can do that, not admit wrong doing, for FEAR of losing face. But it’s not what face is about “never admiting wrong”. In face you can lose face and immeditely apologize for losing face. LOL.

WHAT THE FUCK. THIS WEBSITE IS SO FUCKING STUPID AND RETARDED. I skim a little bit of the “convo” above… what the fuck. HAHA.

FUck Chinasmack.

moop

i think what he is trying to say is that face is very different from what most people view as “honor”. face is completely superficial. if i am alone and steal something i do not lose face. i only lose face if i am caught. it is external and superficial, even the concept’s name displays it as such. “honor” on the other hand can be both internal and exteral, public and private.

The Enlightened One

I said it is like never admitting you are wrong or reflecting on mistakes for fear of losing “face”. “Face” can’t even really be deeply defined because it defies logic. I guess the greatest problem is FEAR of losing “face”.

How many times have you gone to a supermarket and asked for something and if they didn’t know… or want to help… they say “Mei you”. Instead of finding someone else to help you and admit they don’t know, they fear losing face in front of co-workers and others and say they don’t have it.

You walk over a few aisles and find it. It makes them look even stupider. But they would rather risk not losing face and appear incredibly stupid (which usually happens) rather than just doing the right thing. I think they should abolish this stupid “face” concept or evolve it similar to “honor”.

kodi

You are right man! China is better off now………. even better off when all the people with brains emigrate abroad!

Jahar

@Moop I can’t reply to you,but I just wanted to say your assessment of the 30+ people here was awesome. I love a good rant, especially when i agree with it all.

http://epukhk@yahoo.co.uk e peter

Welcome to China……the land of the fucked and the Fucked-up!

http://epukhk@yahoo.co.uk e peter

The Authorities don’t see it, but to objective eyes, China is closer to becoming a land of a billion destitutes and immorals, and where there is just no hope for ordinary and good people……For the youth they already know that they’ve got to cheat, steal, lie and commit the unethical and the immoral to get better in life……it’s the only way. If things don’t change, and if Authorities don’t change, this will just continue to be the way of life and become the norm. We will all sit in our armchairs making comments on these kind of reports and after a while become numb to them. In fact we may already have………….Even having a good education is not going the save one from this predicament.

linette

@moop, you are pissing me off. Why are you so rude and sarcastic to Roger? Roger sounds like a young Chinese lad with a few misunderstanding of the China gov’t. You need to help open his eyes and heart. You live in China don’t you? Chinese like Roger can go back to spread and preach human equality influencing other Chinese netizens on the China websites.

And Roger is right about many negative and racist comments posted by Laowai here on Chinasmack. ummh…

hess

Because he’s a fucking idiot perhaps?

anon

To have the moral high ground, one needs to rise above it and not lower themselves to the other person’s level.

hess

I don’t give a single crap about that

anon

Yes, that’s clear, which is why you’re liable to make the rest of us look bad. However, I was more or less commenting in response to Linette about Roger and moop.

Moop knows I think he could’ve dealt with Roger in a better, more effective way. I laid into Roger too in my responses, but I think moop just responded to Roger in kind and it ended up being a roll in the mud for the two. I know some people think moop “won” but I personally didn’t like how it unfolded. Roger proved himself to be a fucking idiot, but I don’t think moop really came out looking much better…and he could’ve came out of it clean.

Of course, I know that may not be moop’s character (just like it may not be your character to give a single crap about rising above) but I’m just saying I would’ve preferred it.

Roger

The Chinese government is corrupt and inefficient. What misunderstanding am do I have?

http://www.kalanstar.com KopyKatKiller

Murdering babies is not wrong, talking about it is! This Is China!

happycrow

Just once, ONCE, I would like to hear a story involving China that ISN’T about yet another unmitigated cruelty. It’s really hard to defend China when everything coming out of the country makes out the Han to basically be the cruelest people on earth, worse even than the ignorant savages in Waziristan. I have yet to ever see a single story about one of these folks actually being kind to somebody who isn’t them.

Somebody prove me wrong. PLEASE.

http://www.kalanstar.com KopyKatKiller

^^During WW2 the Manchukuo army was made up of Chinese volunteers. That was a pretty nice thing of them to do for the Japanese, no?

http://www.yahoo.com teach love not hate

l once asked a friend what the cheapest thing in china was ..with no hesitation he told me human life.Although he’s answer made my skin crawl literally ,curiosity led me to the next question.. why? The guy bumped a cigg and ask me for a light . His face lost all expression and he said ‘son,its the norm of any over populated society where people are so poor that the only thing the have is money’.There are people in this world that are not ruled by greed. And they are truly the good ones….

http://lloydlofthouse.org Lloyd Lofthouse

Yea, like India where about 6,000 children die daily due to starvation and this has been going on since 1947, but we never hear about that do we? Why?