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I enjoyed Halo 3 immensely, I rated it high and still play it. But to pretend it is the best game ever is madness.

Madness?

This. IS. HALLLOOOOOOOOO!!!

/oblig

Anyway, I find it weird that people keep saying that liking or hating Halo is purely subjective but in the same posts definitively state that "Halo is better than Half-Life" and "Half-Life is better than Halo". If it's subjective, then it's subjective, just discuss the points you felt made it better or worse.

1) yes, it is Rainbow Six. You win points for getting that right.
2) I never said Halo was the best game ever. I was pointing out that a lot of the needless bashing for the game is considered acceptable here but if it was any other game you would get laughed at and ridiculed. No, Halo is not the best game ever and yes, it has its faults. Half-life 2 is better single player IMO, though I do perfer Halo 3 thanks to online co-op. Doesn't excuse that the game is bashed at any chance it can when it really shouldn't be, such as in this thread.

There is one constant truth in the penny arcade forums. there is no game which is exempt from getting shit on if people dont like it. period.

halo is no different from any other. people wouldnt be infracted if they disliked a different game and it gets no preferential treatment.

people wouldnt laugh at you if you disliked a different game. people will laugh at you if you cant justify your opinion however.

There is one constant truth in the penny arcade forums. there is no game which is exempt from getting shit on if people dont like it. period.

Earthbound?

I dunno. I think half the time when people defend it blindly it is jest or almost sarcastic and mocking.

It's like a meme of the pa forums. something is either the best thing ever or the most inhumane abomination to grace the earth. There is no middle ground here.

Yeah but it's like that at every forum. The only reason I stick with this place is that people tend to be more aware of sarcasm and aren't usually in "pro / con" groups just for the sake of it with no possibility of discussing the reasons why.

I mean, I wouldn't want to end up at the gametrailers forums or anything. *shudder*

And people dont trip over themselves to talk about how much they hate halo half as much as the people tripping over themselves to fellate what is a good but not great game.

I really can't remember the last time someone talked about how amazing Halo is. Let alone more so then the number of people who talk shit about it. Also Halo is far better then Half Life, but then again Dakitana is better and was probably less overhyped.

Pac Man's character is difficult to explain even to the Japanese -- he is an innocent character. He hasn't been educated to discern between good and evil. He acts more like a small child than a grown-up person. Think of him as a child learning in the course of his daily activities. If someone tells him guns are evil, he would be the type to rush out and eat guns. But he would most probably eat any gun, even the pistols of policemen who need them.

Pac Man's character is difficult to explain even to the Japanese -- he is an innocent character. He hasn't been educated to discern between good and evil. He acts more like a small child than a grown-up person. Think of him as a child learning in the course of his daily activities. If someone tells him guns are evil, he would be the type to rush out and eat guns. But he would most probably eat any gun, even the pistols of policemen who need them.

Seriously, there's always a tonne of stuff out there, you don't have to play FPS's if you don't want to. Right now I'm playing through the Witcher, Company of Heroes, and Sins of a Solar Empire. I had my fill of good FPS's over the last few months, and now I'm on to this stuff.

but then you have Timeshift and Turok and Turning Point and Frontlines and Medal Of Honor Airborne and Soldier Of Fortune Payback and Hour Of Victory and America's Army and The Darkness and so on and so forth and I just wonder how you don't get tired of this shit

I don't mind so much that it's Halo, but that it's a game that doesn't really need the LEGO adaptation. I would be just as upset if they did LEGO Team Fortress 2. I don't think they need to just run games through the LEGO filter. Adapt movies or comics or something. LEGO Halo just seems so lazy to me.

Prediction: They will never make a LEGO game based on another video game.

but then you have Timeshift and Turok and Turning Point and Frontlines and Medal Of Honor Airborne and Soldier Of Fortune Payback and Hour Of Victory and America's Army and The Darkness and so on and so forth and I just wonder how you don't get tired of this shit

Pac Man's character is difficult to explain even to the Japanese -- he is an innocent character. He hasn't been educated to discern between good and evil. He acts more like a small child than a grown-up person. Think of him as a child learning in the course of his daily activities. If someone tells him guns are evil, he would be the type to rush out and eat guns. But he would most probably eat any gun, even the pistols of policemen who need them.

but then you have Timeshift and Turok and Turning Point and Frontlines and Medal Of Honor Airborne and Soldier Of Fortune Payback and Hour Of Victory and America's Army and The Darkness and so on and so forth and I just wonder how you don't get tired of this shit

Uh. Who cares about the mediocre games in any genre? I don't.

Turok being released dosen't effect me in the slightest.

I guess I'd prefer to see other things being done in the market more often, is all.

Every company these days is trying to catch a little of that halo/cod magic and it's tiresome

The Halo series are fun games but I really think the reason the first one was huge was the LAN play. I say this because, as someone who had been playing games online for years, it didn't impress me. I had fun with it but there wasn't anything that I really considered special about it. The whole LAN thing was something I'd already been doing on the PC only we got to play five or six games instead of one.

Hearing about how awesome it was got to me though. For awhile it didn't bother me but after listening to people go on and on about how much fun LAN play was with Halo I got pretty tired of hearing it and actually started to hate the game. Then one day I realized that it wasn't the games fault. The game itself was actually pretty fun, especially co-op. I didn't hate the game. I hated the people who were convinced this was the best thing ever invented and who would incessantly try and get me to play a game that I had already played through and that held little interest to me based upon the reasoning that Halo multiplayer was this awesome new thing when it wasn't. It was something that I'd been enjoying since Tribes, or going back even further since Duke Nukem 3D.

Halo brought widespread FPS multiplayer to consoles. I got and respected that. But as someone who had been doing that online and at LAN parties for years hearing about it got really fucking old. Then Halo 2 came out and it was same thing all over again because now you didn't even need to do a LAN, you could just do it over the internet. Enter months of "So seriously man, I know you beat the game when you rented it but you should get a Live subcription and pick the game up!" Ugh, like I said, it got old.

The Halo series are fun games but I really think the reason the first one was huge was the LAN play. I say this because, as someone who had been playing games online for years, it didn't impress me. I had fun with it but there wasn't anything that I really considered special about it. The whole LAN thing was something I'd already been doing on the PC only we got to play five or six games instead of one.

Hearing about how awesome it was got to me though. For awhile it didn't bother me but after listening to people go on and on about how much fun LAN play was with Halo I got pretty tired of hearing it and actually started to hate the game. Then one day I realized that it wasn't the games fault. The game itself was actually pretty fun, especially co-op. I didn't hate the game. I hated the people who were convinced this was the best thing ever invented and who would incessantly try and get me to play a game that I had already played through and that held little interest to me based upon the reasoning that Halo multiplayer was this awesome new thing when it wasn't. It was something that I'd been enjoying since Tribes, or going back even further since Duke Nukem 3D.

Halo brought widespread FPS multiplayer to consoles. I got and respected that. But as someone who had been doing that online and at LAN parties for years hearing about it got really fucking old. Then Halo 2 came out and it was same thing all over again because now you didn't even need to do a LAN, you could just do it over the internet. Enter months of "So seriously man, I know you beat the game when you rented it but you should get a Live subcription and pick the game up!" Ugh, like I said, it got old.

I suspect I'm not the only one this was the case for.

Halo was a better LAN experience, cause all you needed for a good match was 2 XBoxes and a pair of TVs. No hauling everyones gaming rigs to one house and all that. Much easier on everyone.

I don't mind so much that it's Halo, but that it's a game that doesn't really need the LEGO adaptation. I would be just as upset if they did LEGO Team Fortress 2. I don't think they need to just run games through the LEGO filter. Adapt movies or comics or something. LEGO Halo just seems so lazy to me.

Halo was a better LAN experience, cause all you needed for a good match was 2 XBoxes and a pair of TVs. No hauling everyones gaming rigs to one house and all that. Much easier on everyone.

Wait, what? That is wrong and you are wrong.

Instead of hauling a tower and a monitor you now have to haul an Xbox (which is probably half the size of a tower) and a TV (which could be twice the size of your monitor). And then instead of having a backpack with a keyboard and mouse stuffed in it, you've got a backpack with controllers and AV/AC cables. Other than that the only difference is speakers/headphones.

To say that an Xbox LAN party is considerably easier than a PC LAN party is pretty crazy. They both entail roughly the same amount of work to get set up.

Halo was a better LAN experience, cause all you needed for a good match was 2 XBoxes and a pair of TVs. No hauling everyones gaming rigs to one house and all that. Much easier on everyone.

Wait, what? That is wrong and you are wrong.

Instead of hauling a tower and a monitor you now have to haul an Xbox (which is probably half the size of a tower) and a TV (which could be twice the size of your monitor). And then instead of having a backpack with a keyboard and mouse stuffed in it, you've got a backpack with controllers and AV/AC cables. Other than that the only difference is speakers/headphones.

To say that an Xbox LAN party is considerably easier than a PC LAN party is pretty crazy. They both entail roughly the same amount of work to get set up.

One detail you're forgetting is that one person gets to do the hauling for 4 people (4 people per XBOX). If you wanted to have a 16 player LAN, you wouldn't need 16 people that had 16 computers and 16 copies of the game. Just 4 people with XBOXs/TVs, and 12 people that you just pulled off the street because they bought you beer.

Pac Man's character is difficult to explain even to the Japanese -- he is an innocent character. He hasn't been educated to discern between good and evil. He acts more like a small child than a grown-up person. Think of him as a child learning in the course of his daily activities. If someone tells him guns are evil, he would be the type to rush out and eat guns. But he would most probably eat any gun, even the pistols of policemen who need them.

Halo was a better LAN experience, cause all you needed for a good match was 2 XBoxes and a pair of TVs. No hauling everyones gaming rigs to one house and all that. Much easier on everyone.

Wait, what? That is wrong and you are wrong.

Instead of hauling a tower and a monitor you now have to haul an Xbox (which is probably half the size of a tower) and a TV (which could be twice the size of your monitor). And then instead of having a backpack with a keyboard and mouse stuffed in it, you've got a backpack with controllers and AV/AC cables. Other than that the only difference is speakers/headphones.

To say that an Xbox LAN party is considerably easier than a PC LAN party is pretty crazy. They both entail roughly the same amount of work to get set up.

Yeah, except you only need 1 Xbox and 4 controllers per 4 people.

As for TVs, at most you need to haul 1 for every 4 people above an initial 4. And that's assuming where ever your going only has 1 TV.

For a LAN party, every person needs a tower, monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers.

Halo was a better LAN experience, cause all you needed for a good match was 2 XBoxes and a pair of TVs. No hauling everyones gaming rigs to one house and all that. Much easier on everyone.

Wait, what? That is wrong and you are wrong.

Instead of hauling a tower and a monitor you now have to haul an Xbox (which is probably half the size of a tower) and a TV (which could be twice the size of your monitor). And then instead of having a backpack with a keyboard and mouse stuffed in it, you've got a backpack with controllers and AV/AC cables. Other than that the only difference is speakers/headphones.

To say that an Xbox LAN party is considerably easier than a PC LAN party is pretty crazy. They both entail roughly the same amount of work to get set up.

Have you ever even attended a PC LAN party? It takes somewhere around 5 years for everybody to arrive and get their rig set up. Half of the people need to reinstall Windows and only 2 people have games installed. Someone has drivers from 1998, and there is at least one person who insists on running Linux and fiddles with Wine the entire time. A bunch of people get bored after a few games and start clogging up the network transferring porn files between their computers.

Halo was a better LAN experience, cause all you needed for a good match was 2 XBoxes and a pair of TVs. No hauling everyones gaming rigs to one house and all that. Much easier on everyone.

Unless you have access to a computer lab. But even if you're hauling your PC I'd say it's about the same amount of work as hauling a decent sized TV. It takes one more trip from the car to inside but that's not really a huge deal. On a personal note after attending a couple of LANs with 20-30 people in attendance and playing things like Tribes there was really just no way Halo LAN play could compare. I guess you could say I was spoiled.

That wasn't really my point though. My point was that listening to people go off about how new and revolutionary a multiplayer FPS game was when it wasn't at all got really old and I think that the game took a lot of undue flak from people who felt that way.

Halo was a better LAN experience, cause all you needed for a good match was 2 XBoxes and a pair of TVs. No hauling everyones gaming rigs to one house and all that. Much easier on everyone.

Unless you have access to a computer lab. But even if you're hauling your PC I'd say it's about the same amount of work as hauling a decent sized TV. It takes one more trip from the car to inside but that's not really a huge deal. On a personal note after attending a couple of LANs with 20-30 people in attendance and playing things like Tribes there was really just no way Halo LAN play could compare. I guess you could say I was spoiled.

That wasn't really my point though. My point was that listening to people go off about how new and revolutionary a multiplayer FPS game was when it wasn't at all got really old and I think that the game took a lot of undue flak from people who felt that way.

It was new to ALOT of people. Almost the entire console market + the significant number of people who'd never gone to a LAN party.

Exactly why it got so tiring. It was a ton of people raving incessantly about how great this new thing was and to the people who had been playing online multiplayer games, lan play that required multiple consoles and TVs to reproduce the same experience they'd already known about and enjoyed for years wasn't even discussion worthy let alone something worthy of raving about.

Enter vitriolic comments and thus discussions that degenerated into shitstorms when other people pointed out, often in a sarcastic or teasing way that this was nothing new and that when held to the standards of PC FPS games Halo wasn't really anything special. Then things would get even dumber as the argument went on. Eventually you'd have one side saying how the game was utter crap and the other touting it as the best thing to ever come out of the gaming industry. The silly thing is both sides were wrong but everyone was so used to the zealots it got to the point that you couldn't say "I liked Halo but I think there have been better FPSs" without getting jumped on from both sides for either not liking it enough or saying you think it was a good game.