This may be the reason for ammo shortage

This is a discussion on This may be the reason for ammo shortage within the Ammo and Reloading forums, part of the Gun Forum category; A friend just sent me this message....HMMM.... has anyone else seen this? I havent had time to check it out, "From: Bob Jordan [mailto:bobjordn@msn.com]
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A friend just sent me this message....HMMM.... has anyone else seen this? I havent had time to check it out, "From: Bob Jordan [mailto:bobjordn@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 9:07 AM
To: Bob Jordan
Subject: FW: 9mm Ammunition (where is it???)

Subject: 9mm Ammunition

(What are your thoughts, and have you seen anything about this?)

You may not know this but George Soros owns most of the ammunition
manufacturing companies and many arms manufacturers as well. He's selling ONLY to the government right now, per WH & DHS orders. My son works for ATK, who owns just about all the rest of the ammunition companies that Soros doesn't own. He tells me that ATK has been ordered by the federal government to curtail sales of ammunition, primers and powder to the retail market. What you see currently on the shelves is old stock and what's left in the warehouses since the CT shootings and new stock will NOT be appearing anytime soon. ATK and Soros' companies have more than enough government contracts to keep them going for years to come. Like Soros' companies, ATK is a huge defense contractor and they've been told to sell ONLY to the DOD, TSA, FBI, DHS and local/federal law enforcement agencies. This is VERY scary and VERY ominous for what's coming down the pike in the future.

My son has seen the proposed pricing schedule for Federal, CCI, Hornady,
Remington, Winchester and several other ammunition manufacturer's lines of ammunition, components, reloading equipment (ATK owns Outers, RCBS, Hoppe and a host of others) and he's flabbergasted! As an example, when the sales of .22 LR bulk ammo resumes, the pricing will be over $50.00 for a 535-round Value Pak! That's nearly a dime-a-shot!! They're also going to
raise the prices by 300 - 400% on dies, presses, powder measures and the
like. He's in management there at ATK in Salt Lake City and they're NOT
happy with it at all! They firmly believe this will basically shut-down
the civilian market while leaving the government as the only purchaser of
their products. He saw the government pricing for the centerfire
ammunition they've been stockpiling and their prices have actually dropped
from a year ago so the feds are buying this stuff REAL cheap while we
can't even get our hands on it at all!

Something I've always said since Obummer came onto the scene in 2008 is
that, even if they can't actually ban the weapons themselves, the
government will make it nearly impossible for us civilians to feed them
with ammo, reloading components and the like. The WH doesn't HAVE to
actually ban the guns, as Biden said in one of his many faux pas,
foot-in-the-mouth, Freudian slip speeches he's famous for making. " All
we have to do is to make it too expensive to use them and the public will
eventually give them back to us if we offer an attractive price for these
weapons". What's an "attractive price" - a $10.00 Walmart gift card for a
$3,000.00 custom hunting rifle? Those were his EXACT words in one of the
speeches he gave to the freshman congressmen last week! Remember, Biden was one of the architects of the Clinton gun ban of years ago. I think
he's as dangerous to the Second Amendment as Obozo is, maybe more so,
because he's so stupid and doesn't know the muzzle of a gun from the
butt...

Feel free to pass this on so gun owners will be aware of what we're up
against. I doubt the NRA can do anything about it, IMHO. La Pierre can
get on all the talk shows he's invited to and cry the blues about the
assault weapons laws that are forthcoming from the WH but the real crux of
the matter will be whether or not we'll ever be able to purchase
ammunition (at all) or, if we can, what we'll be paying for it. As an
aside, here, I deal a LOT with Midsouth Shooters Supply for my reloading
components. Two weeks ago I ordered 500 cases each of .45 Casull, .44
Magnum, .357 Magnum and 9mm Parabellum. I was told everything I had
ordered was out-of-stock and no in-stock delivery date was being forecast.
They wouldn't even accept a backorder for this stuff! Think the
government isn't manipulating it? Think again, my friend...

The reason why no one has ammo for sale anymore is because everyone is panic buying. I have yet to see any proof that manufacturing has declined, but with demand skyrocketing the suppliers simply cannot keep up. The rise in ammo prices can also be attributed to the panic buyers, as rapidly diminishing supplies allows profiteering companies to sell for exorbitant prices. A lot of the larger retailers (Walmart, Cabelas', etc) are still selling ammo for pre-Sandy Hook prices, but stock is almost nonexistent because they are bought up as soon as they come in.

The reason why no one has ammo for sale anymore is because everyone is panic buying. I have yet to see any proof that manufacturing has declined, but with demand skyrocketing the suppliers simply cannot keep up. The rise in ammo prices can also be attributed to the panic buyers, as rapidly diminishing supplies allows profiteering companies to sell for exorbitant prices. A lot of the larger retailers (Walmart, Cabelas', etc) are still selling ammo for pre-Sandy Hook prices, but stock is almost nonexistent because they are bought up as soon as they come in.

The problem with Wal Mart is that when they do receive a shipment of ammo, it's drips and drabs....

I have also heard stories of certain individuals who know store managers(I.E. Walmart, Gander Mountain, etc) and can get their hands on bulk ammo before they load the shelves in stores. Then the store manager leaves just enough to sell to the public.

I have also heard stories of certain individuals who know store managers(I.E. Walmart, Gander Mountain, etc) and can get their hands on bulk ammo before they load the shelves in stores. Then the store manager leaves just enough to sell to the public.

Don't know how true this is, but I could believe it.

Im not going to go into a long winded story about what i overheard from walmart employees while in the sporting goods section the other day. Essentially, the employees are buying it up and putting in on gunbroker etc here...

Under what authority is the "federal government" directing a publicly traded company (ATK) to restrict production of a legal commodity for civilian consumption? Answer: There is no authority. ATK stockholders would not stand for such an intrusion in legitimate business endeavors and rightfully so. The only restriction would be the production constraints that meeting their legal/contractual delivery commitments to the government and other entities would have on the output available for civilian consumption.

Under what authority is the "federal government" directing a publicly traded company (ATK) to restrict production of a legal commodity for civilian consumption? Answer: There is no authority. ATK stockholders would not stand for such an intrusion in legitimate business endeavors and rightfully so. The only restriction would be the production constraints that meeting their legal/contractual delivery commitments to the government and other entities would have on the output available for civilian consumption.

I agree with ThnkFrst. That would be like having our "federal government" restricting business from sending American jobs overseas. Now THAT would be something which they should do, but they don't, because they can't.

Im not going to go into a long winded story about what i overheard from walmart employees while in the sporting goods section the other day. Essentially, the employees are buying it up and putting in on gunbroker etc here...

This is what I think is happening as well. GunBroker is chock full of simultaneous ammo auctions all day long. No shortage of ammo there by any means. Good old capitalism.

Under what authority is the "federal government" directing a publicly traded company (ATK) to restrict production of a legal commodity for civilian consumption? Answer: There is no authority. ATK stockholders would not stand for such an intrusion in legitimate business endeavors and rightfully so. The only restriction would be the production constraints that meeting their legal/contractual delivery commitments to the government and other entities would have on the output available for civilian consumption.

Actually there is a clause in most all government contracts that forces the manufacturer to stop everything and all manufacturing capacity has to go to fulfilling the government order. These are a priority "X" and priority "Z". This I know for a fact. I am not an ammo manufacturer however I am a supplier that has govenernment contracts. If we get an X or Z request we have to drop everything and fill that order.

Actually there is a clause in most all government contracts that forces the manufacturer to stop everything and all manufacturing capacity has to go to fulfilling the government order. These are a priority "X" and priority "Z". This I know for a fact. I am not an ammo manufacturer however I am a supplier that has govenernment contracts. If we get an X or Z request we have to drop everything and fill that order.

Agreed, the government has the option to exercise the priority (if it's included in the contract terms and conditions) but that requires considerable justification. A political attempt to stop civilian sales of ammo would not pass legal review.