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[505c]
said I, “if while taunting us with our ignorance of the good
they turn about and talk to us as if we knew it? For they say it is the
knowledge of the good,1 as if we understood
their meaning when they utter2 the word
‘good.'” “Most true,” he said.
“Well, are those who define the good as pleasure infected with any
less confusion3 of
thought than the others? Or are not they in like manner4 compelled to admit that there are
bad pleasures5?”
“Most assuredly.” “The outcome is, I take it,
that they are admitting

1 There is no
“the” in the Greek. Emendations are idle. Plato is
supremely indifferent to logical precision when it makes no difference
for a reasonably intelligent reader. Cf. my note on
Phileb. 11 B-C in Class. Phil. vol. iii. (1908) pp. 343-345.

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