WSJ REPORTS: Germany Is Getting Closer To Blinking, And Discussions Are Underway To Build A 'Grand Plan'http://www.businessinsider.com/wsj-reports-germany-is-getting-closer-to-blinking-and-discussions-are-underway-to-build-a-grand-plan-2012-6/comments
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Spengler suggested that Merkel leave the Spaniards for the Buzzards. Would that be an active enough repudiation of old habits?
<a href="http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/NF05Dj04.html" target="_blank">http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/NF05Dj04.html</a>http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fccb23b6bb3f7ee6400000aEvilbuzzardMon, 04 Jun 2012 09:03:55 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fccb23b6bb3f7ee6400000a
Which is precisely why the actual value of the currency used to repay said debts eventually works its way down a curve towards a mathematical asymptote of zero. Debtors rejoice when the printing presses hum.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcc4fbe6bb3f7042e00001dJoe AMon, 04 Jun 2012 02:03:42 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcc4fbe6bb3f7042e00001d
So Germany is willing to give up sovereignty for the exchange of bankrolling bankrupt countries. In the return for more fiscal discipline in countries that have shown to be notorious liars. Sounds like a bad deal to me.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcc1262ecad04841a000020You dreamSun, 03 Jun 2012 21:41:54 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcc1262ecad04841a000020
Germans don't blink.
You should know thathttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcc0d0f6bb3f7c03d00000dJohnGaltFLASun, 03 Jun 2012 21:19:11 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcc0d0f6bb3f7c03d00000d
Is this the same WSJ that played the role of Kevin Bacon in Animal House during the 2007-2008 meltdown until it was uh, way too late? Yeah, that WSJ. All is well, remain calm!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcc097feab8eabe29000003 r cohnSun, 03 Jun 2012 21:03:59 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcc097feab8eabe29000003
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J1ADlO_ijA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J1ADlO_ijA</a>http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcc07776bb3f7982f000011explain thisSun, 03 Jun 2012 20:55:19 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcc07776bb3f7982f000011
What is EFSF?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbfdd5eab8ead409000013depressionSun, 03 Jun 2012 20:14:13 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbfdd5eab8ead409000013
FYI , EU not able to QE per their own treaty ..http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbfc4a69bedd1c6d000026Angela JerkelSun, 03 Jun 2012 20:07:38 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbfc4a69bedd1c6d000026
Germany is finally leaving the zionist euro. Congrads...
German refusal to tolerate being messed around where money is concerned seems to go back much further than the great inflation of the twenties.
In 1597, when alchemist Georg Honauer failed to keep his promise to transform two tonnes of iron into gold, Duke Friedrich I of Württemberg had him dressed in a garment made from gold braid and then hanged him on a gallows made from the same two tonnes of iron in order to deter anyone with similar ideas.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbfbe0ecad04e27300000fDeustchemark uber allesSun, 03 Jun 2012 20:05:52 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbfbe0ecad04e27300000f
Germany will abandon the zionist agenda of a euro:
German refusal to tolerate being messed around where money is concerned seems to go back much further than the great inflation of the twenties.
In 1597, when alchemist Georg Honauer failed to keep his promise to transform two tonnes of iron into gold, Duke Friedrich I of Württemberg had him dressed in a garment made from gold braid and then hanged him on a gallows made from the same two tonnes of iron in order to deter anyone with similar ideas.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbf750ecad04c46d000002Logical TradeSun, 03 Jun 2012 19:46:24 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbf750ecad04c46d000002
If ECB (essentially the Germans) were to guarantee the eurobonds and Germans pay for them, then Germans should have sovereign rights over these countries. Fair deal.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbf431eab8ea097c000006KCRobSun, 03 Jun 2012 19:33:05 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbf431eab8ea097c000006
It sure looks that way - and those they support insult them at every chance.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbf188ecad046b5f000021RockerSun, 03 Jun 2012 19:21:44 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbf188ecad046b5f000021
Like the photohttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbf138eab8eacd74000002vanillaexplosion99Sun, 03 Jun 2012 19:20:24 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbf138eab8eacd74000002
I like the photohttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbeceb69bedd524c000034andrewp111Sun, 03 Jun 2012 19:02:03 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbeceb69bedd524c000034
This is just a "trial balloon" to gauge public reaction. Politicians do this kind of stuff all the time.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbea72ecad042155000019JkirkMMSun, 03 Jun 2012 18:51:30 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbea72ecad042155000019
So GDR is supposed to finance the lifestyles of the irresponsible ?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbe8c7eab8eaf463000001explain thisSun, 03 Jun 2012 18:44:23 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbe8c7eab8eaf463000001
Calvinism - it's a mindset thing.
if that fails they've got the Pope as Plan B - can you beat that?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbe8ab69bedd5b4c000003Beltway GregSun, 03 Jun 2012 18:43:55 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbe8ab69bedd5b4c000003
Is it 2012 or is it the day after the end of WW1? Time for the Germans to step-up and break old habits. Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds and repeated thoughts are just junk food for the soul. Ms. Merkel, they may not love you tomorrow but history will embrace you for eternity.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbe879eab8ea5d5c00001eJames Altucher Is The ManSun, 03 Jun 2012 18:43:05 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbe879eab8ea5d5c00001e
Once you're done wishing upon a star Joe, keep thinking Germany will bail everyone out. Then, who will bail out Germany now that they own all of Europe's debt and none of these other countries will care.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbe7e56bb3f74f7400002fLord Rasta of Sax Coburg wont smoke your spliffSun, 03 Jun 2012 18:40:37 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbe7e56bb3f74f7400002f
Jeez, the money is in the bank - more money every day. Nobody is going down here.
Waa you gatt?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbe751eab8eaf75900000cbelogicalSun, 03 Jun 2012 18:38:09 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbe751eab8eaf75900000c
Timing is everything and the fact that they are putting this out before the Asian open tells me this is likely about containing contagion, then any real shift. Notice we hear they are close to blink and not that a deal is done. You don't need time to work out everyone knows what has to be done you just need to agree and since they haven't all their doing is jerking the markets aroundhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbe6abeab8ea0b5a000012Sir Bunts Singh Prince of Pun jabSun, 03 Jun 2012 18:35:23 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbe6abeab8ea0b5a000012
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good point...wage increase is notable..Lutheran Germany has had trade surplus with all their Catholic neighbours for years....typical Beggar-your-Neighbour policy ...keep wages low, beat the competition.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbe494eab8ea0b5a000006imdwightgoodenSun, 03 Jun 2012 18:26:28 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbe494eab8ea0b5a000006
There would be some short term issues for sure, but major pain is unavoidable. For someone who fashions themselves as worldly you sure think small. There's been economic strife and ups and downs all throughout history- are you so dumb and arrogant to think you're immune? Or that man and fallible man made systems can prevent what's coming?
Sorry punjabi but you and your cobra charming uncle Ramesh are in big trouble if that's how you plan on going about strategizing for the upcoming onslaught.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbe3f7ecad04ec4c000003explain thisSun, 03 Jun 2012 18:23:51 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbe3f7ecad04ec4c000003
Listen, miserable - I said it before I'll say it again: the day Germany raised public sector wages by 6.3% (!) was the day they blinked. You guys might be used to this sort of indulgence, but this is unprecedented in unified German history.
Wages are up to compensate for imminent inflation caused by further QE. The periphery and the US may watch and sulk.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbe259ecad048942000022J RyanSun, 03 Jun 2012 18:16:57 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbe259ecad048942000022
Asian markets getting ready to open. Need to pinch of another utterly undocumented rumor of something that won't happen. I doubt this crap will work again - we've seen this one before.
Merkel isn't going to commit political suicide and break German law to bail out the fools that loaned all that money to the Spanish casino/banks.
F**k the bank bondholders. Let them take their losses - they earned them.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbe13ceab8eae04d000026Sir Bunts Singh Prince of Pun jabSun, 03 Jun 2012 18:12:12 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbe13ceab8eae04d000026
idiot...if the rim countries all fall, then Germany is the nation of last lender. They would fall too.They are out to protect themselves...sort of kick the can down the road...which is always the best solution for TODAY.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbe03feab8eae24d00000fSir Bunts Singh Prince of Pun jabSun, 03 Jun 2012 18:07:59 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbe03feab8eae24d00000f
I am salivating at the thaught of what would happen to Gold.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbdf9c6bb3f7e067000014imdwightgoodenSun, 03 Jun 2012 18:05:16 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbdf9c6bb3f7e067000014
If it's so vital to the world then the whole world should pony up- not just Germany. Of course, it's best to just let everything crumble do that we can rebuild something new and better and more sustainable. Let it collapse already.
Long.walk.home.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbdf6aeab8ea864d000007Angela JerkelSun, 03 Jun 2012 18:04:26 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbdf6aeab8ea864d000007
Nah, that the amerikans...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbdefeecad048942000003adegiulioSun, 03 Jun 2012 18:02:38 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbdefeecad048942000003
If eurobonds are the answer, how come they haven't used them yet? If it's so simple and plain to see, why wait?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbdded69bedd4f37000001....Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:58:05 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbdded69bedd4f37000001
If I was germany and agreed to this union, I would be setting the rules. No more then 5% of the population on the government dime, maximum pay for government workers, no pensions. Retirement age same as Germany 67, etc etc. Mess up once you are out.
Just like in the movie The Lookout, when the kid has the money and knows where it is, the bad guys will not harm him. He saids "I have the power".http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbddd36bb3f7f067000006naroSun, 03 Jun 2012 17:57:39 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbddd36bb3f7f067000006
It is always possible for money printing central banks to pay their debt.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbdda169bedd793000000dnaroSun, 03 Jun 2012 17:56:49 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbdda169bedd793000000d
At this moment billions of Euros are being shipped from Southern tier to northern tier nations in Europe daily. Southern tier nations will run out of euros in a few weeks, and become completely impoverished and unable to pay their bills. Their banks would collapse. Germany must do something drastic to force the return to liquidity to the South. Eurobonds WILL BE the answer--and they are coming.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbdd90ecad04543c000019It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:56:32 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbdd90ecad04543c000019
Joe,
Are you sure more debt, endless debt, impossible to pay debt is REALLY the answer?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbdd19eab8eaa443000009watchingthesuckingmachineSun, 03 Jun 2012 17:54:33 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbdd19eab8eaa443000009
Germany is of course the target.
They want everything: Their land, their right of selfdetermination, their freedom...
... and now their wealth.
Germans from now on will have only one role in the world: being debtslaves.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbdc776bb3f7a95f000019naroSun, 03 Jun 2012 17:51:51 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbdc776bb3f7a95f000019
The ONLY solution to the world's mess is ECB guaranteed Eurobonds. This will allow the failing banks and economies of Southern Europe a CHANCE to recover their bearing. Sure it will cost Germany plenty, but Germany is soaking up all of Europe's Euro right now. They will have to pass them back. This game of chickens by the German government is sickening. It will be Eurobonds or the end of the Eurozone and a massive world wide depression.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbdb796bb3f7a365000004DepressionSun, 03 Jun 2012 17:47:37 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fcbdb796bb3f7a365000004
if it came from the FT'S i might be interested , but most likely some WSJ reporters proably overheard it in a bar or loo ...