Maher said that Gruber was arguing “you have to slip a pill in the dog’s food, in a piece of ham, to get the dog to eat the pill,” adding “I agree and I’ve heard nobody else in America say that.”

Martin agreed with Maher and Gruber, with both hosts pointing to statistics about American knowledge of civics and arguing that Americans dislike Obamacare while liking the Affordable Care Act and what is in Obamacare.

Matthews then chimed in, pointing out that most Americans don’t know how much the US spends on foreign aid.

The only non-American on the panel, Canadian MP Chrystia Freeland defended the American public, after lauding the intelligence of her constituents and getting through a line of question from Chris Matthews on her pronunciation of “about,” declaring that media and politicians deserve blame for Americans checking out of politics.

The discussion concluded with Matthews stating “Gruber was right, he said they were going to take the money from the people who could afford insurance, who are healthy and young and don’t have expensive illnesses and give it to people who are sick and older. Everybody knew that. Where else was it going to come from, some other place?” And Maher pointing to Reps. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) and Michele Bachmann (R-MN) as examples of the idiocy of American voters.