What's your problem. He posted the proof right there for you, just because he used wikipedia as a source doesn't make it any less proof. Go and search for it yourself and check out plenty of other sources saying the exact same thing with the exact same proof.

Pull your head out of the bloody sand and wake up. The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows.

There isnt always some sinister plot when bad things happen. Crazy people do crazy shit.The proof that your talking about isnt proof of anything.

There isnt always some sinister plot when bad things happen. Crazy people do crazy shit.The proof that your talking about isnt proof of anything.

What are you talking about? Operation Northwoods is PROOF that the American government have attempted to stage terror attacks in an effort to justify a war against another country. Fact.

At least do some research before spouting out your uneducated views on the matter.

And yes I completely agree. There isn't always some thing sinister at work when crazy things happen. Crazy people do indeed do crazy things. But when the media release news that is so disjointed and riddled with inconsistencies, when you begin to actually look further into the matter and start asking questions about all of these inconsistencies, you start to connect the dots and see the real truth behind what's going on.

I also find it quite alarming that you actually think the "father" Robbie Parker who gave the post Sandy Hook interview is actually a real father. Any one who has even a basic understanding of human body language will tell you that this man is a blatant actor. It's right there, clear as day that this dude is actually acting (terribly I might add, I've seen better acting from Michael Bisping in Hollyoaks).

What are you talking about? Operation Northwoods is PROOF that the American government have attempted to stage terror attacks in an effort to justify a war against another country. Fact.

At least do some research before spouting out your uneducated views on the matter.

And yes I completely agree. There isn't always some thing sinister at work when crazy things happen. Crazy people do indeed do crazy things. But when the media release news that is so disjointed and riddled with inconsistencies, when you begin to actually look further into the matter and start asking questions about all of these inconsistencies, you start to connect the dots and see the real truth behind what's going on.

I also find it quite alarming that you actually think the "father" Robbie Parker who gave the post Sandy Hook interview is actually a real father. Any one who has even a basic understanding of human body language will tell you that this man is a blatant actor. It's right there, clear as day that this dude is actually acting (terribly I might add, I've seen better acting from Michael Bisping in Hollyoaks).

There really is no point in arguing with people who are insistent upon finding something that doesnt actually exist.

There really is no point in arguing with people who are insistent upon finding something that doesnt actually exist.

Myself and Liddell have provided you with sources and FACTS involving your very own government willing to comitt acts of terror on your own turf in order to justify wars against other countries. You're either ignoring it because:

A)It scares you or
B)You're just ignorant

But please, by all means, carry on putting all of your faith into massively corrupt and shady media establishments (keep believing every thing you see on the tv and in the newspapers) and continue to support the child abusing political powers that be (yes, paedophilia is absolutely rampant within politics), but please, like I said, by all means, carry on swallowing up all of their bullshit and keep believing that they have yours and your families best interest at heart.

First thing, trying to use wikipedia to prove a point is silly as hell. Second, go ahead and prove that any of these conspiracies are true. Its a lot like religion. Believing in something without actual proof is also silly as hell.

Are you serious? You realize there's a source link at the bottom of wikipedia right? The documents on operation northwoods were taken from the national security archives and were presented in public commmision hearings and the documents sourced were released by THE GOVT THESELVES. They are on CNN, NSA, ABC etc. read the sources.

Seriously at least use your head and click on the links before typing DUUUHHH WIKIPEDIA.

The sources for my other article were also Time magazine CNN and so on.

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Originally Posted by Freiermuth

I think we are so inundated with fictional drama that without experience, we wrongly relate to those fictional works as a mental reference for our expectations.

I've been with a grieving father at his son's funeral. Before he got up to talk about him he was indeed smiling and joking around, trying NOT to think about his loss and most around him were more than happy to keep him cheered up. However, once he got up to speak, the gravity of it hit him and he could barely go on. Now his son (and a my good friend) was a cancer victim and not a small child but the emotional aspect is similar.

Anyways, probably safe to say, don't judge that guy by the snippet of him and hope that you are never in his shoes.

More to the thread topic, the conspiracy video's many are believing is using mainstream media bits and pieces, they have not sent out a single investigate journalist of any kind or provided their own content. Their revenue model is based on implying facts and generating interest in conspiracies so while they have been proven wrong on several things, they are not going to change their tune. With a list of victims and people involved, don't you think they could dig up something concrete and not just a bunch of implied facts like the dad is an actor because he wasn't grieving up to an armchair psychiatrists standards?

ALL three military chiefs of staff send a SIGNED proposal to terrorize their own people just like 9/11 and Sandy Hook, this is released by the govt and now PUBLICLY ACKNOWLEDGED as genuine and true, and this isn't proof of anything? Oh and the president who said no to this proposal was killed and another took his place.

As GR said, are you guys really that willfully ignorant or just scared to acknowledge the possibility?

Also plenty of independent media outlets send their own investigators and journalists. Alex jones, huffington post etc. and many others. But then you guys dismiss them as "conspiracy theorist" sources. Link proof from mainstream media, and it's "pieced together".

There really is no satisfying willful ignorance is there? I could put a televised confession by the president himself, and you'd still give it the LALALALA NOT TRUE GO AWAY treatment wouldn't you?

Are you serious? You realize there's a source link at the bottom of wikipedia right? The documents on operation northwoods were taken from the national security archives and were presented in public commmision hearings and the documents sourced were released by THE GOVT THESELVES. They are on CNN, NSA, ABC etc. read the sources.

Seriously at least use your head and click on the links before typing DUUUHHH WIKIPEDIA.

The sources for my other article were also Time magazine CNN and so on.

ALL three military chiefs of staff send a SIGNED proposal to terrorize their own people just like 9/11 and Sandy Hook, this is released by the govt and now PUBLICLY ACKNOWLEDGED as genuine and true, and this isn't proof of anything? Oh and the president who said no to this proposal was killed and another took his place.

As GR said, are you guys really that willfully ignorant or just scared to acknowledge the possibility?

Also plenty of independent media outlets send their own investigators and journalists. Alex jones, huffington post etc. and many others. But then you guys dismiss them as "conspiracy theorist" sources. Link proof from mainstream media, and it's "pieced together".

There really is no satisfying willful ignorance is there? I could put a televised confession by the president himself, and you'd still give it the LALALALA NOT TRUE GO AWAY treatment wouldn't you?

I would believe a confession from the President

I'm glad you brought up Huffington post as they actually posted a debunking story on it so I'm not sure where you are going with it, please explain if I've missed it.HP Debunk

Alex Jones (of INFOWARS) is a fear monger, on par or worse than Glen Beck. I've been in IT for a while and remember his Y2k lies and how Russia was going to attack us. Why would he miss an opportunity to sell more of his nuclear survival kits? To his credit in this one, he doesn't even say he thinks it was false-flag, he just says essentially there are some unexplained things.

Operation Northwood was not submitted for implementation, it was a preliminary submission for planning purposes from 30 years ago that was exposed to the public by...dun dun dun....the evil government that could have simply not released it as we all know. Now it is utter crap that it was even thought up, but the govt explores a lot of courses that it doesn't pursue and unfortunately this is a good example of a terrible one.

Yes almost anything is possible but looking at all the available sources the most probable explanation is the one given by virtually everyone from Fox, CNN, The Young Turks and the Huff post....and the actual cops/investigators of the crime scene.

I'm glad you brought up Huffington post as they actually posted a debunking story on it so I'm not sure where you are going with it, please explain if I've missed it.HP Debunk

Alex Jones (of INFOWARS) is a fear monger, on par or worse than Glen Beck. I've been in IT for a while and remember his Y2k lies and how Russia was going to attack us. Why would he miss an opportunity to sell more of his nuclear survival kits? To his credit in this one, he doesn't even say he thinks it was false-flag, he just says essentially there are some unexplained things.

Operation Northwood was not submitted for implementation, it was a preliminary submission for planning purposes from 30 years ago that was exposed to the public by...dun dun dun....the evil government that could have simply not released it as we all know. Now it is utter crap that it was even thought up, but the govt explores a lot of courses that it doesn't pursue and unfortunately this is a good example of a terrible one.

Yes almost anything is possible but looking at all the available sources the most probable explanation is the one given by virtually everyone from Fox, CNN, The Young Turks and the Huff post....and the actual cops/investigators of the crime scene.

So please, tell me what you guys think happened?

I don't think Alex Jones or HP are the most reliable or truly independent either. I mentioned earlier in this thread that I also believe Jones is a commercial fearmonger that's out to sell stuff, but my point was to debunk your claim that no "conspiracy theorist" gathers their own info or sends out their own journalist.

Unfortunately many of the ones that IMO are completely spot on like Aaron Russo suffer untimely deaths from Cancer etc. Russo also conducted many personal interviews and investigative journalism. Another good documentary with it's own interviews and journalistic / investigative material is the "Inside Job" with Matt Damon as the interviewer, that delves into the banking / financial crisis side of things.

Operation Northwoods was submitted to the freaking president of the USA. The fact that it made it all the way to the top means it was far from "preliminary". Preliminary means discussed in a CIA board room somewhere and someone laughing it off. Submitting signed and endorsed by ALL THREE CHIEFS (again, let me belabor this point) is preliminary for no one but govt. apologists like you or Pheel. If Kennedy had not had a conscience it would have been implemented sooner than he could blink. Unfortunately he did, so he died instead.

Yeah it was 30+ years ago, so what? What has changed since then? Was anyone fired? Reprimanded? Even transferred? Were any establishment/constitutional/authority changes made? The entire machinery continued exactly as it did, the only thing that changed was that the guy who disapproved it died, and you think something is magically different in those 30+ years?

The govt. released it because they had to. There was an independent govt. commission set up to look into the Kennedy affair because something this big they just couldn't brush under the carpet, and everything submitted to him was brought under the scanner whether the CIA/Military liked it or not. They didn't release it because they wanted to or were being nice, as you are amusingly trying to imply.

And not everyone in the entire govt. is evil or easily bought, it's not as simple or black and white as that ... there are some good honest people in congress, govt., military, FBI, commissions, even mainstream media etc. that try to do their job, but the only ones they need to corrupt or manipulate into position are the handful at the top ... prez, CIA chiefs, military chiefs and so on. That is why they had to release stuff to the commission, because they couldn't corrupt everyone on it.

What do I think happened at Sandy Hook? The whole damn thing was staged. Guys like the incompetent Chief Medical Examiner, police chiefs etc. of that town slowly promoted and brought to their position by govt./CIA favors, approval and planning, so one day they could repay the favor. If they squeal, they are discredited or they die, not like people that scummy or committed would be likely to squeal anyway. People like that are slowly tied in to schemes, their loyalties tested in smaller things before they are set up for something as big as this.

The school and staff ... dunno if the school was even real or some sort of fake thing that the town just never looked into. The parents, bought and paid actors or CIA ops. Plus hey, they get bonus "charity funeral money", for those expensive solid gold casks and stuff they need! Again, who sets up entire public charities a day after their child's death for "funeral expenses"?

I'm not saying I know all the details, but if they figured they could do it for Operation Northwoods staging attacks like this ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, you don't think they are confident of pulling something like this off in a dinky little town in Connecticut?

I'd really hate to get back into this... but I just can't help myself sometimes.

Operations Northwoods was a false flag operation. No one was to get hurt or killed. This operation is pointed to by every 9/11 denier as proof the government would kill 3000 of their own citizens... yet operation northwoods didn't plan for one death.

Also, LOL at the entire town of Newton being actors / created by the government. The ridiculousness of that alone shows the mental capacity of people who fall for this crap.

I'd really hate to get back into this... but I just can't help myself sometimes.

Operations Northwoods was a false flag operation. No one was to get hurt or killed. This operation is pointed to by every 9/11 denier as proof the government would kill 3000 of their own citizens... yet operation northwoods didn't plan for one death.

Also, LOL at the entire town of Newton being actors / created by the government. The ridiculousness of that alone shows the mental capacity of people who fall for this crap.

I'm using Northwoods as proof of Sandy Hook more than 9/11. Both are exactly the same, no actual deaths, but agendas easily pushed through.

Who said the entire town was created? I mulled that a few pages ago but rejected that idea. I'm saying the SCHOOL was possibly created. It's not like you can just walk in without an appointment or a reason to be there.

And yeah, living in Newtown, you may hear about one or two people's kids that go to that school ... like those nice Parkers that just moved in a little while back. Probably didn't see them much, but just a little weird thing that people don't dwell on. You haven't actually been into the school or know anyone real close in it, but why in the world would you suspect it's not a real school? How hard is it to set up something like that and get a few cops, medical personnel in?

Or maybe it was a real school with staff that was in on it, and they were told to do a drill. What difference would elementary school kids know?

Tell you what, since you're the one who thinks this is ridiculous, why don't YOU explain to ME, HOW EXACTLY you think the govt. planned on executing Operation Northwoods? How would they would have accounted for all the investigators at the bomb / terror scenes? The medical inspectors or fire crew? etc. etc.

Then take your answer and GIVE IT RIGHT BACK TO YOURSELF FOR SANDY HOOK. Because it's your honest govt. and military that made and signed this Northwoods proposal, not me, so you're doubting their mental capabilities and intelligence not mine.