Soldiers Ordered Not To Offend Radical Islamists

Well, strap in for this news: a new military handbook has been issued that orders soldiers to avoid engaging in topics that would offend radical Islamists. So, if you thought that the United States couldn’t get any more politically correct, you were dead wrong.

According to Pamela Gellar of atlasshrugs.com: “The draft leaked to the newspaper offers a list of “taboo conversation topics” that soldiers should avoid, including “making derogatory comments about the Taliban,” “advocating women’s rights,” “any criticism of pedophilia,” “directing any criticism towards Afghans,” “mentioning homosexuality and homosexual conduct” or “anything related to Islam.”

In addition to this madness, the manual also claims that it is not the Taliban that is causing the rise in attacks by Afghan soldiers, but a lack of understanding on the part of the West.

I’m sorry–What? Soldiers are not allowed to criticize pedophilia and cannot advocate for women’s rights? Ok, here’s what this means in my book:

1. The Obama administration is trying desperately to appease radical Islamists. They think that by “playing nice” with words, somehow, the terrorists will treat us in kind. They cannot be that stupid (well…), so there must be another agenda at work.

2. By publishing manuals and regulations like this, we are weakening ourselves in the eyes of the enemy. This can only result in a stronger resolve to destroy us. It is not our actions that the enemy hates, it is simply us. They hate western culture, Christians and Jews, and they will stop at nothing to eliminate the us.

3. With this manual, soldiers are being ordered to passively support abuse of women, sexual misconduct and numerous other disgusting practices of radical Islamists. Soldiers are being forced to defy basic morality for the sake of political correctness. It’s foul.

In summary:

This is the backwards logic of the deranged Left. We are fighting an enemy, but we are not allowed to hurt their feelings. This defies human reasoning, but it fits right in with the Liberal world view. They believe that it is our fault that we were attacked on 9/11; that it is our support of Israel and our actions in the Middle-East that stirred the hatred of radical Islamists. In essence, we are the provocateurs, and they are the victims. Well, you can’t provoke the Devil. Radical Islam is an evil beast, and we are feeding it. When it grows strong, it will be our fault.

Well, if soldiers can not offend radical islamists, let me do it for them. Radical islamist, or any islamist are stinking raghead vermin and the only good one is a dead one. There, go cry to your imam.

BarryLevy

@DarBrooksHelwig the only thing I can say to your post is that I think you were far too kind to these murdering thugs/barbarians, and waste of human DNA

BarryLevy

Kill the radical islamics sending them to Allah and let Allah sort it out. Can’t be offending them if you kill them because they cheer when their children become suicide murderers

Markus Reborn

So much for Freedom of Speech….

ErikOsbun

Why? Answer: Obama is a Muslim who works for the Muslim Brotherhood.

DrLisa

@ErikOsbun You hit the turban right on the head.

Great Dragon

@ErikOsbun Hussein Obama is a muslim, there is a prayer rug in the White House. Did you notice post-election the muslim vote for Obama was never discussed. Hussein Obama’s title should be CHIEF OF ENTERTAINMENT. He just loves Hollywood and the late night talk shows. Who elected Hussein Obama? unions, blacks, asians, latinos, illegals, dead people. Military votes were not counted.

remesquaddie

I remember when we went to Iraq to push out Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait, a bunch of people giving the ” thumbs up” to our troops. Our people see that as a friendly sign. What no one seem,s to know, is that in that part of the world , it means ” F..K YOU”. Then , the Kuwaities who owe us their country and lives, paid us back by refusing to allow any Christian symbols in the hands of our troops , including NO BIBLES. WHY DO WE WASTE hard earned AMERICAN MONEY on these morons, and American BLOOD? SKREWALLMUSLIMS.

freedomringsforall

Amen we need to get rid of this commie scum.

This country, and so many of this countries once respected institutions, are being influenced and/or run by Fabians, Marxist, commie, fascist, dictatorial, morons. I am sure that there are many who would call me a moron for lumping those philosophies together but I in return would infer they ought to look in the mirror and then think about what all those philosophies have wrought on the earth and when all is said and done in history they have all wrought exactly the same in the end; slaughter, famine, and despair.

We need to get these commie, fascist, Islamic terrorist coddling bunch of scum out of power in these United States. Then we need to work our tails off to get all of our freedoms and rights restored. We are the only hope left for this planet and for all those down trodden and less fortunate to look to as their hope for true freedom and all that it brings. We must stay united and take the hope, the light, and the right of freedom to every last corner and dark alley and to every last soul in this world.

BippyBellito

Silently Kill all of the Pedophiles that make up this Perverted of all “religions” Kill them twice, just to make sure. Muslims are the lowest form of life. Pigs laugh at them.

remesquaddie

@BippyBellito After killing them, do what the Brits did a century ago to them, wrap them in pigskin.

DWinch

@remesquaddie @BippyBellito That’s too cruel, to the pigs!

DrEvil

I agree, don’t offend them. Shoot them.

pwr

Wake up America, Obama is a Muslim and expect more of the same. He said on his Oxidental College application that his faith was “MUSLIM”. Check it out for yourself before you respond. Bill

defiant1

If course, he wants to appease these radical Islamists. And to add to that, Obama is not only a member but has frequented a club call Mans Country in Chicago, check that one out also. he and his creepy ballerina friend Rahn Emmanuel go there together. How much hand to Obama have in forcing these ridiculous rules. He wants his print on everything and everybody.

JohnAdams1

Since when have the rules of war included “don’t offend the enemy”!?!?!?!?!?!?

Jr1776

@JohnAdams1 since we have a screwed up thought process with our commander a chief hail communism.

JohnAdams1

@Jr1776 @JohnAdams1 Point made.

Rodger Higgins

Why can’t they mention homosexual activities? I mean they allow it in the military now so that should be considered normal talking points. Just because the rag heads like to stick it in the rear doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be talked to about it. Make that whole region a parking lot and get it over with.

DWinch

Is a .338 magnum through their skull considered offensive? All U.S. snipers want to know!

remesquaddie

@DWinch It is most definitely a headache at the very least.

DWinch

@remesquaddie But not for very long!

DrLisa

@DWinch I don’t find it offensive!

smdares44

@DWinch Hi DW,

I prefer my M 107 A 1.

DWinch

@smdares44 I couldn’t afford the ammo for a M107 but I would like to try!

Rodger Higgins

@DWinch Not at all, that way they get to mingle with their 72 virgin goats.

http://aol.com deleted_9678209_PAULZ45

So, What obama is telling our troops is that is ok to do what they want to women and children so they can be nice to the radical Islamists.

disharted

I am ashamed to say this country has finally destroyed our fighting force all because this administration does not wqnt to hurt the feeling of those who wants to destroy us. but one only have to look back in history, every time we get a democrat president the first thing they want to do is reduce our forces to weaken our defense. to bad we can not place then on the front lines and see how they like being shot at to protect their lousy backsides. i

silverchief

What about Pork Chops????

Kissitgoodbye

@silverchief / Pork Roasts will put you in the brig!

http://domain.tid/ jlbs

@silverchief I use bacon grease in cooking and I plan to slather it all over my porch railing if it turns out that I ever have any visitors of the persuasion that find it offensive. I may also put a pig statue in my yard and decorate my house with pig statues; maybe wear a sweatshirt with a pig on it.

smdares44

Every one inside the DC beltway is certifiably INSANE!

NUKE DC!

fmr LCDR MC USNR NUKE

http://www.livefyre.com/auth/popup/ nick garza

I have a real problem with this. I can’t beleive our politicos expect us to play nice with people that would cut us to peices. Rules of engagement doesn’t require this. If they don’t like what we say or think, open fire.We can sort them out later.

Glennpill

Obama does not want to upset his brothers!

HowardPettyjohn

This started in Vietnam and continues. I suppose that Hillary had something to do with it being put in writing. They will most likely share the manuals with the Islamists. Trying to buy their approval hasn’t worked. The ones who make this demand are not following their own instructions. Pretty sick isn’t it.

CajunPatriot

Obama daily affends Bible believing and practicing Christians with his SAD (sexually abberrant deviant) marriages and killing the unborn and those who survive an abortion. He does not care about that. But Obama cares that our American Heroes not offend radical Islamists who abuse women, and often live in debachery. Obama has lessened this great nation and compromised its respect around the world. We will pay for our “kid gloves” approach to radical Islam who considers us the Devil.

VictorBarney

You must be a anglo-saxon man or something?

bobobuster

You have to be kidding…

Just pull our troops OUT of the Radical Islamist countries and bring them home with their tails between their legs. This is about as low as this Administration can get!

I’ll insult them every chance I get, screw the PC crap!!!

RonaldChristopher

Yeah, obama too, but then again, he would probably like it.

ajetboatman

They are ordering our soldiers to do WHAT? This is absolutely crazy. So if a soldier attacks a woman, becomes a pedifile, or any of these behaviors, it seems as though they would have a defense that these behaviors are ok according to the society they are in.

DockyWocky

I guess the word, that has to come from Obama, is “you boys can shoot ‘em and blow them to smithereens, but just don’t offend their little black hearts.”

Remember, we are dealing with a bunch of zealots that believes:

That “Islam requires the earth — not just a portion, but the whole planet.”

Before it is too late, I say “offend the livin’ be-jesus out of them.”

mrsgunnut10

I would think that being shot by a ” Westerner ” should be more of an insult that what this Book/Manual is saying. But as I have said before : What can you expect from a Muslim Blackman from Kenya masquerading as the United States President ?? Thank you for your time. TSgt., USAF.

Jr1776

nuke the rag heads.

VictorBarney

@Jr1776 Actually, according to Revelation 18:10, our Savior totally destroys all Islam IMMEDIATELY upon HIS RETURN, but NOT BEFORE! Again, thanks again “women alone” who voted for this promised holocaust of the white man for Esau. Again, what is, is…

Kissitgoodbye

We know where this ideology got Neville Chamberlain. Here we go again!

101st Nam Grunt

Give me a break. Maybe we should grant all Taliban and Muslims citizenship. Obama would go for that. But ops, That would increase unemployment to 20%

RoyKoch

Scarew all Hadjiis!!

Jr1776

Ok to offend christians though ? or spy on us, or tax us to death, or try to take our liberty away, oh yeah thats ok . Oblobo is one of them, hes a traitor and a scum sucker.

debree

good thing our soldiers are there to kill them insted of getting a philosophy lesson

rannan3

THIS is what people voted for Nov. 6th ?? Lord help us, their are more crazies than sane people in this country anymore……….

American Sailor

Stay faithful to the truth, no matter what the Liberals or Islamists say. The truth will never change. Heavenly Father Almighty GOD, Jesus Christ, The Holy Spirit and the Holy Bible are the truth. It’s only a matter of time before The Lord Jesu Christ returns to cast Satan and his demons and all evil into the bottomless pit and finally the Lake Of Fire for eternity.

Jr1776

@American Sailor yeah but were all gone by then.

LGreen311

@Jr1776 @American Sailor we are all going to go sometime, the only real questions are: Why, How, and to Where. The answers are your own to decide. The only one whom can answer these questions is oneself. What I think or believe matters not, for those beliefs are mine, and mine alone.

JohnEmery

OK I agree, don’t offend them … BUT SHOOT THE HELL OUTTA THEM!!!!!!!

Another Verteran

@JohnEmery You are right, we are prosecuting this “war” the wrong way, we are not fighting to win but to pacify the islamists. All they know is brute force and they fear nothing and respect nothing but strength and force and we have not shown them either. And they are killing off our military every chance they get…

Jr1776

hes giving weapons to the syrians and trying to take ours away,

PAHaysAZ

What manner of ass-hattery is this?? When are we going to act appropriately when faced with those who “behave” like our enemy? Remember SecDef, our job is killing people and blowing shit up. He who kills the most and blows up the most shit not only wins, but gets to dictate terms. How’d we get elected Islam’s bitch? The military, I am ashamed to say, has jumped the politically-correct shark!

VictorBarney

Let me get this straight: Islamist declared WAR on u.s. because we’re “infidels” and we can’t offend their logic for declaring war on u.s.? Hey, is there REALLY A CALIPHATE between MARXISM(MARX) & ISLAM(ESAU)? I might also add both were “Anti-Christ ” in their belief and also both hated anglo-saxons for Esau’s sake? Thanks WOMEN ALONE who voted for this promised halocaust of the white men. Wow! But, why am I not surprised? Welcome to Adam’s world even before the FIRST MURDERER WAS EVEN BORN. Just saying…

pogo 59

Pull all foreign aid from countries supporting radical islamists; why should we pay for their toilet paper?

Jr1776

@pogo 59 oh yeah we pay for everything didnt you know that.

sargentrock

@pogo 59 as long as we have a raghead president we will continue to pay and pay and pay and as you can see from Bengazi, WITH OUR BLOOD and he could care less….

How can anyone doubt that Obama is himself a Muslim? That’s the only way to understand what he has done and has caused to be done, things such as are described in this brief essay.

Jr1776

@downenray he is 14% negro and mostly arab and half white, thats the part i’m ashamed of.

DWinch

@downenray He’s a Cretan, I mean Christian, just ask him!

sargentrock

OH MY… So let me get this straight, we musn’t offend those child molesting, sodom loving, goat sucking, dope smoking, rag headed camel jockeys, who love to abuse women and treat them as slaves, and want to annihilate the western world because we don’t worship their moon god…. have I got this right?

Jr1776

@sargentrock yep

http://www.mediacrapmatters.7us/ abutom

THE COMMUNIST PLAN IS TO FORCE REAL AMERICANS OUT OF THE MILITARY BY WUSSING IT DOWN AND LEAVING BATTLE TROOPS TO DIE WITHOUT SUPPORT. LIKE HILLARY CLINTONS BENGHAZI. THE COMMUNISTS SAT AROUND AND WATCHED TWO SEALS DIE WHO WERE HOPING TO HEAR A BUGLE FOR SIX HOURS. HOW COULD THOSE TRAITORS SIT THERE AND WATCH TWO AMERICANS AGONIZE OVER BEING BETRAYED. DID THE RATS GO OUT TO DINNER AND COME BACK? DID THEY TURN OFF THE TV? WHEN DID THEY HANG UP THE PHONE. THE TOP BRASS SHOULD ALL BE RELIEVED. THE NAVY SUBMERGED THEIR RESPONSIBILTY. THE JUNTA SENT OUT SUSAN RICE TO LIE AND COVER. WHILE HILLARY WENT TO PERU TO MAKE A SPEECH TO LLAMAS. GOLF BOY, HOLLYWOOD’S FRANKENSTEIN LIED THE BEST AND THE COMMUNIST MEDIA COVERED UP THE BODIES WITH 2,000 SHOVEL READY JOBS. THAT IS OBAMAS KIA COUNT IN AFGHANISTAN OVER FOUR YEARS. BUSH IN EIGHT YEARS WAS 461. SEE YOUTUBE BENGHAZI 911 CALL THEB SEE SEAL TEAM SIX SACRIFICED. YOU LOST YOUR COUNTRY AND YOU ARE NEVER GETTING IT BACK. http://WWW.MEDIACRAPMATTERS.US THE PENTAGON HAS ANNOUNCED 45% OF THE MILITARY IS FEMININE. NOT FEMALE. FEMININE.

AWKingsley

“They believe that it is our fault that we were attacked on 9/11; that it is our support of Israel and our actions in the Middle-East that stirred the hatred of radical Islamists. In essence, we are the provocateurs, and they are the victims.”

It isn’t just Liberals who believe the U.S. is responsible. How many times have we read that our CIA trained Al Qaeda? And now the Taliban is out, opium production is back again in full swing in Afghanistan, guarded by U. S. troops. Far Right Conservatives are not going to blame Obama for starting World War III in the Middle East, we are going to blame End Times Prophecy crazed Republican Evangelicals, which is not so good for Christianity. But, then that might even be your goal – making Christians look bad. The Bible doesn’t say bend over backwards to defend Israel, endangering the U.S.: It says do not attack Israel. The Bible does not say to invade Islamic countries. The Bible also does not say don’t kill anyone but Muslims. The Bible says, “Thou shalt not kill.” You are producing Radical-Christian extremists, which is very undesirable. I, for one, do not want to hear anything else about Muslims. The constant attacks on Muslims do nothing for the image of Christianity in the world. If you don’t like Sharia Law then write your Congressman asking for Sharia Law vs. American Law to be skillfully addressed in immigration interviews. Request that our immigration officers rule out strong or militant supporters of Sharia Law as immigrants into the U.S.

In addition, support State’s Rights. Every single “Hot Button” issue for Republicans is solved by a return to State’s Rights, putting control of our finances and social issues back into our own backyards on the state level. Voters can have much more impact on the state level than on the national level. Most Republicans do not understand this concept, and are staunchly refusing to take back their power. Republicans have an enormous education problem on their hands, if they want to win elections and solve Social Issues. The means to our goals is through State’s Rights and a message of freedom.

nina dug

Matthew 24. The Lord said “as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be”. We are in those days now so we should be ready for 1st Thessalonians 4: 16-18.

The Islamists, Obama and its cohorts are all the enemy and deserve the same fate.

b52sbabe

This is unreal but so predicted!

jamgus24

a friend of mine came back from afganistan after several tours. he said it’s common practice with muslim men to have sex with teenage boys. so i guess saying anything against pedophiles would be politically incorrect. the muslin cult talks about the evils of homosexuality but they sure don’t practice what they preach. we never hear about this from the liberal media. this is another example of obama’s muslim radicalism. where’s the handbook about not offending christians?

BD Katt

@jamgus24 Homabama was a young boy mooslime,wonder how many he took while kneeling on his rug?

Great Dragon

New title for Hussein Obama CHIEF OF ENTERTAINMENT…..He just loves Hollywood and late night talk shows. Hussein Obama continues to be a closet muslim……There is a prayer rug some where in the White House.

sandman4X4

@Great Dragon right in front of his throne

Tony Ruiz

@Great Dragon There ain’t no closet about it. He doesn’t cloak it hardly at all

USPatriotOne

The Communist Liberal left agenda to bring America down! Go list to Dr. Michael Williams show “The Patriot Report” on webtalkradio.net and get the real story to what is happening to our Great Nation. This weeks show will blow your mind!

MichaelBurch

Do not offend them???How about we just shoot them…or treat them as they would treat us…we really do need to leave those countries to fend for them selves…and if they decide to attack us then we should simple annilhate them…

capsey

@MichaelBurch Couldn’t agree more do unto them as they would like to do unto us.

MichaelBurch

@capsey Now I am not a big war hawk…i just do not believe in turning the other cheek.

SC Gal

@MichaelBurch and cut off all foreign aid to Muslim cult countries. We can start by withdrawing from the UN, letting them sit around singing, “We Are The World”, and cancelling the $770 million to rebuild mosques (which is really probably to buy weapons).

We can’t do anything until we get the Muslims out of Washington.

Tony Ruiz

@SC Gal @MichaelBurch That would be entirely correct. But what the hell can we do about it? Instead, we got two assholes that split the vote and lazy republicans who didn’t vote, so the dirty bastards got their way. The unions, gollywood, welfare expert and all the rest. Just look at all the illiterate Americans today…Leno’s “man on the street” interviews where they don’t know who’s buried in Grant’s tomb. We’ve had it.

MichaelBurch

@SC Gal And take back the building the UN currently occupies…KICK THEM OUT OF THE USA….maybe hugo chavez can make room for them in his country…

Dario

I just love Political Correctness. Just sit back and wait until there is a knife at every American’s throat then do you suppose it will be okay to say anything “unpolite or politically incorrect” ? I am sick to death of anyone being told “not to offend” muslims. Damn the muslims! THEY are our enemy, not our military. When are the Pentagon and Department of Defense come to grips with that. Oh, right, Obama is a muslim. Sorry.

Tony Ruiz

I’m 73 and half blind now but I could only wish we’d rise up against these bastards; they said we’d be beaten without a shot fired.

We’ve really bought the farm here; we elected a damned muslim and its orangutan of avwife. And all this time I felt bad about all the other countries that decided to coddle muslims. What is there about “we plan to behead all of you” that we don’t understand?

MichaelBurch

Dario….even the bush administration was quick to say islam is not our enemy…when infact it most definitely is our enemy

Another Verteran

And that’s the gist of the problem, Obama is a muslim and he does not have the best interests of our country-or military at heart and he is doing everything he can to destroy our values and culture in favor of another.

LWT

do not offend them, just shoot them!

BD Katt

He said he would side with the mooslimes

sandman4X4

wowee Gen Patton would be busted down to mess private!

RonaldChristopher

@sandman4X4 Patton would have started a coup do e-tat against obama. but I digress, it is on the way.

sandman4X4

@RonaldChristopher Yes Ronald: and it is so sad that we have tese traitors in DC today that dont give a dam about U.S., and more, all they care about is power! we should have had term limits yrs ago! but back to Gen Patton, he was a man of the times, and he believed he was born time and again for just such reason!, who knows, maybe he is out there somewhere…………..

RobertUSA

General Patton – Old Blood & Guts – would have his tanks runnign the towel-heads out of this country in no time. A little tank target practice is in order…using mosques as targets.

David Veselenak

What more is going to happen before the sheeple wake up to the fact that our Muslim-Marxist jihadist in the “Outhouse” is conspiring with his Muslim Brotherhood to take US down? History is being repeated and most of AMERIKA is standing around with one thumb up their arse and the other in their mouth! Treason charges should be lodged against this punk^ss little effeminate geek!

KCG

This is so utterly ridiculous. It is handcuffing our warriors and placing a target on their backs and fronts and saying, shoot me, for I cannot lift a hand to protect myself or anyone else. If I see a women beaten or stoned, I am paralyzed from helping her. If a see a child sexually molested, I cannot go to their aid because it will offend the Islamist next to me. Cut me a break. I will gladly break these laws and do what it right, but my darn government will not back me up, in fact I will be thrown in jail for having offended those who are doing the wrong thing. This stinks big time.

DSC_Dansc

Let them fight or bring them home.

DavidPeacock

I totally agree; we should not OFFEND THEM; we should shoot them………..especially their American Mohammad

Tony Ruiz

Yes. We’ve really bought the farm here; we elected a damned muslim and its orangutan of avwife. And all this time I felt bad about all the other countries that decided to coddle muslims. What is there about “we plan to behead all of you” that we don’t understand?

maxine rwb

@DavidPeacock @DSC_Dansc To all who are reading this blog, all muslims should be forced to leave this country. We (the American People) don’t want them here, bring our soldiers back home and immediately begin impeachment proceedings on all of WDC.

I blame we the people for letting this type of thing get out of hand and for not standing up and being heard like all the minorites. Its our fault no one elses. So down the road when the time comes will you all be ready to do the last thing The thing no one wants because if we dont do something else now, then its going to come to that. dont think the crazys in washington dont know that and arnt planing for it. i for one hope it never happens but if it does i will be there. WILL YOU?

Tony Ruiz

Yes. We’ve really bought the farm here; we elected a damned muslim and its orangutan of a wife. And all this time I felt bad about all the other countries that decided to coddle muslims. What is there about “we plan to behead all of you” that we don’t understand?

MichaelBurch

@Tony Ruiz ‘WE’ did not elect obama…all those fools who ‘stayed’ home in protest over Romney…well… they are the ones who ‘elected’ obama…thanks to all those folks who refused to participate in this election….obama recieved 6 million fewer votes this time than last time…McCain actually did better than Romney…can you believe it???

BD Katt

@MichaelBurch @Tony Ruiz Evangelicals stayed home,illegals voted,dead people voted,absentee military votes not counted,voting machines pro homobama,romney a wimp,as lots of mormons are & his election comittee were morons.Now you must live with what you chose,you’re not going to like it.

MichaelBurch

@BD Katt @Tony Ruiz ahhh…you are wrong my friend…I did not choose this…I did not vote for obama…i voted for Romney,even though he was not my choice by a long shot….I did participate…and obama got 6 million fewer votes this time….The RNC,…blew it big time…..just like when they decided on McCain….

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

@BD Katt Hi BD Katt, I’m an Evangelical and I voted for Romney and lots of others did too. For those that stayed home, I really feel angry because that was practically a vote for ‘O’. If people would only use their heads, not participating is giving up without a fight. Pre-elelction I said as much as I could on Facebook and emails – some of my friends got mad and I told them I was simply doing what the Lord was leading me to do. If they didn’t like it, unfriend me until after the election or forever more.

maxine rwb

@time is up: I will be there with you. And I may not be all that big, but I am one mean old lady.

Evermyrtle

No, I didn’t think I had heard it all, I know for a fact that this will not stop until JESUS CHRISTS COMES or until we are exactly where they want us, under their feet. We need to prepare ourselves. There is nothing to stop them now, we handed it to them to so with as they pleased on Nov. 6, and for our own good we need to remember that, not to expect any good coming out of that crown.. Except for GOD there is no help out there.

Lloyd in Oregon

This has nnothing to do with being “Politically Correct!” This has to do with the Moslem Barake obama!

Tony Ruiz

I think it’s high time we took or country back over. We have no president and congress is worthless. What’s left? The military, and they don’t like him any more than we do

Ken1Lutheran

The people of America either want this or don’t care. 50+ % of those who voted voted to re-elect Barack Obama, well knowing that stuff like this goes on. The average voter, shown this article, will respond, “Oh, this is just more hate literature from Far Right racists who hate our President.” And there were at least five million conservatives, mostly evangelicals, who said, “We know Obama’s terrible–but we won’t vote for a Mormon” or “we won’t vote for a guy who used to say he was for abortion and gay rights.”

NavyJR

Why would we expect any different from a nation that would tell our military chaplains that they can’t call homosexuality a sin as ALL their religions teach, so as to not offend the homosexuals IN the military, where they don’t really belong in the first place? Or a nation that allows “transsexuals” who “think” they’re women, despite the obvious genetic evidence to the contrary, to use public women’s locker rooms and restrooms with LITTLE girls as well as women in them? And one that won’t LABEL an enemy for fear of offending the enemy? And that doesn’t even get into the ROE they impose on our troops!

Mortuary5

You have got to be sh**ting me!!! FOXNEWS needs to get ahold of this! So now if a soldier gets killed it can be blamed on him/her pissing off some, “poor radical mooslem” We need to start screaming bloody murder America and loudly! The day after our, “Resident Rectum” is sworn in for round 2 you can bet your sweet asses that prayer rugs and compasses will go on sale at WalMart. The rug will keep you from getting callouses on your forehead, the compass is to direct you all to the east – towards Mecca. – When I was in “Nam” we weren’t ordered to not offend the “zippers” we killed em!!!!!

BD Katt

@Mortuary5 The zipperheads didn’t bend over to present the rear entry port as do the mooslimes

According to my manual, Article 5.56 section .223; no offense intended. Did it hurt when it pentrated? And, article 7.62×51, section .308; what happened to the rest of your skull? And article .50. accprding to Barrett, et al; what happened to Achmed? He was here a moment ago.

DWinch

@ashman1 Fine caliber of a manual you got there!

MichaelBurch

@ashman1 you are baaaak…missed you …

ashman1

Hey Michael, glad you remembered me. Enjoyed the vacation, not enjoying the cold, but happy to be online with old friends again. thanks.

MichaelBurch

@ashman1 lots to talk about..as usual…but..hey..the weather is not tooo bad here in Ocala,Florida….to change the subject for just a second…my garden is still going great…cabbages,collards,carrots,lettuce,radishes,ghost peppers,jalapenos,getting ready to start tomato seeds.and different pepper seeds ….what with the economy tanking i figured it would be a good idea to grow my own veggies…now back to his discussion…these individuals that are in charge of creating these inane manuals need to be put on the ‘front line’ FIRST to see just how effective or not effective their ideas are.If that is done,then perhaps more realistic manuals will be written….It is so easy to sit up in their IVORY TOWERS far away from any harm and dictate policy…especially when those who are doing the writing or dictating have never served in any of the armed services…which i find to be an affront ,…correction…INSULT…to all members ..past and present of our armed services…

ashman1

Great to hear from you. It is comforting to read about life in the normal sense once in a while. I offer a handshake and a glad welcom from the great American Parks area, Grand Canyon to the south, Zion Park, next door, Cedar Breaks and Bryce Canyon to the northeast. Just finished raking the mulberry leaves up and it has started the typical December rainy season. I often wonder if having so much technical opportunities and such a broad array of information from this little 19″ screen is really a boon or perhaps a bane making us aware of all the horrors and dangers that surround us. A president who, to the average rational citizen is shrouded in mystery and, in all likelihood, fraudulent and illegal activities. Like you, I am insulted and incensed with his foreign policies; his debauchery and allegience to the muslim, his insidious lying and dodging responsibility of the murders in Benghazi, his deceptive and maliferous activities with our border patrol. I served in Korea, 1953, and learned from the Korean Nationals and the KATUSA (Korean Army Attached to the US Army) how needed, yet uninvited to their homeland. We were greeted by two sweet little old USO ladies handing out donuts and coffee, at the debarkation center at San Francisco when we returned. No cheers, mostly ignored by nearly everyone. My nephews returned from Nam to be greeted by long-haired hippies, throwing vegetables and taunting and berating insults. And I wonder; was I happier years ago when what I knew about the world was limited to what I read in the magazines and the newspaper. Was the world more honest before journalists were taught in our liberal universities of the value of having a bias which should slant the news, regardless of the authenticity of the fact. Good to be back and we’ll be communicating soon.

BD Katt

@ashman1 Did your manual cover the use of the salve in appendicks SBGO

ashman1

I’m not certain, Katt. I don’t know what a SBGO is.

BD Katt

@ashman1 Look online,you’ll like what you see.

ashman1

I looked around and concluded that if it had the same results as a CESD it would serve it’s purpose well. (Colonic Explosive Suppository Device).

RobertUSA

I suggest that everyone go out and buy a pound of bacon and spread it around the grounds of your local mosque. First it will help the US pig farmers, and second it will send a message that true Ameicans are not going to bow down to any muslum…like NoBamam did in saudia arabia

mathis1689

@RobertUSA Not a bad idea but it seems a shame to waste good bacon!

Attila the Hyde

@mathis1689 @RobertUSA

Attila the Hyde

You are correct. Fry the bacon and pour the bacon drippings around the mosque. You can have your bacon an use it too!

mathis1689

@Attila the Hyde We don’t have a mosque here-yet. The Muslims have tried to get one going but it’s funny how stuff keeps vanishing from the construction site!

NavyJR

@RobertUSA And when you do that, if you have a dog, take your dog along; Muslims may EAT dog, BUT they also believe dogs to be profane, and prancing around on their mosque grounds should just thrill the Muslims!

sonnydavis14

OBAMA IS A NUT! A MAJORITY OF AMERICANS ALREADY KNOW THAT. BY THE END OF HIS SECOND TERM THE WHOLE WORLD INCLUDING AMERICA WILL COME TO REALIZE WHAT A NUT HE IS.

Don39

@sonnydavis14 I am convinced he is pure evil, I am not convinced that even the majority of the ignorant and complacent spoiled scum of this country will be convinced of that, ever.

PghVince

F”K mohammerhoid, islam and every mu-slime on the face of the earth and dump ALL garbage in mecca!!!! WHY is that ugly basturd son of an ugly white-trash whore still breathing??

idagney

While I agree that these directives are insane, immoral, and anti-American. I also think our military has absolutely NO BUSINESS in that God forsaken country. They should be back at home, where we have enough illegals and terrorists to keep them gainfully employed for a decade or more just protecting Americans.

Another Verteran

@idagney I agree with you but if they have to be there and are there due to the Washington politics then they should have the complete support or the DC crowd and be allowed to fight to win and come home. If they are not allowed to fight to win, they should come home on the next plane.

Another Verteran

I’m afraid that the worst thing our soldier face is not the Taliban, insurgents or other forces in the mideast but rather those in Washington and the senior officers that support those that make up these silly rules. I suspect it offends the enemy when they are shot or captured-it offends me that our military doesn’t have the wholehearted support of those in Washington.

Kissitgoodbye

@Another Verteran /It offends me as well. Pretty soon we will have NO military who wants to serve under this President. He disrespects those that he is supposed to be leading.

dcinpa

@Kissitgoodbye @Another True and he still has not come clean about allowing our consulate to be guarded by men with no ammunition and why no support was made. He is the President, He is should be held accountable. If one of his appointees are responsible he should still be a co defendant.

SadButrue

The said thing to me is that this so called religion and all religion is just a made up fantasy about what everyone needs and wants…..a dream, a sense of worth, something or someone to base everything on. When will the world wake up and realize that there is no one sitting in the clouds looking down on us and wishing us the best. So, it is sad that all the turmoil, and hate, and killing is based on something that has been scientifically proven not to be true………………..Look, I was raised a hardline Catholic all my life. Just recently after I did my own research into my own religion that I am 100% convinced that religion is a means by which the world seeks salvation and hope and all the other BS that we have been brainwashed into believing. It is a shame that man will destroy another man all over something that I believe is not even true…….Religion is what has for centuries been the one thing in this world that has separated us as a species…………..

Kacha

How can our soldiers not offend radical Islam? The simple fact that they are not radical Islamists is an offense to radical Islam. Our government that made this foolish request is an offense to Americans.

Pazuzu

Well, then let the people who write these cockamamey shit laws fight the war, if they’re going to lay out the terms of engagement. Don’t endanger our soldiers unnecessarily by putting restrictions on them, they are trained to engage and subdue the threat.

Pazuzu

Well, then let the people who write these cockamamey shit laws fight the war, if they’re going to lay out the terms of engagement. Don’t endanger our soldiers unnecessarily by putting restrictions on them, they are trained to engage and subdue the threat, not to risk hurting the enemies feelings is anathematic to the mission.

Don39

All those things are really things that might cause strife in the ranks of todays military and are not aimed so much at appeasing the radical Islamist as they are at avoiding strain in the ranks of Obama’s military ! The simple fact is that the Obama regime has lowered the moral standards of the military and ruined any moral they had and any strong leadership they had. Why do you think the military suicide rate exceeds the battlefield casualty rate. The only thing keeping people of morals in the military is no jobs to come home to! Retired military.

unc66

Just pray and buy more ammo.

BD Katt

@unc66 And SBGO,a one way ticket on the hellbound train for any & all mooslimes.Their 72 virgin suckling pigs are awaiting them,in a room full of dog sheet.

mathis1689

I know I’m an old goat but in Vietnam the LAST thing anyone worried about was offending Charlie. Hurting the feelings of some piece of human pond scum was not a priority. Surviving was.

Truth goes 100 mph

@mathis1689 Welcome home brother, even though the O-Man wants to do us dirt. Keep your powder dry. Vietnam 68-69

mathis1689

@Truth goes 100 mph 67-68 for me. Semper Fi

JamesMcEnanly

How can the presence of the soldiers not offend the Muslims? In spite of being ‘inferior’, we can put probes into precise orbits around the Moon, whereas they have to have someone go out and look for it every month. We build their airports, their modern cities, and the Internet and drill their oil for them. All they can do is collect our money and party like its 753 AD.

Guest

So, to all you Islamists out there, radical or otherwise: The Taliban are camel humpers, women rule, pedophiles are the scum-sucking vermin of the lowest order, Afghani’s are, for the most part, Stone Age Neanderthals, queers get it on with birds of a feather, and Islam was founded by a spaced-out failed merchant living in a cave from self-induced delusions. Was everything covered?

PghVince

KILL every mu-slime on the face of the earth and dump ALL garbage in mecca!!!! The end of mohammerhoid and islam!! WHY is that ugly basturd son of an ugly white-trash whore still breathing??

SamCrisp

Well ZERO is a muslim so he is working as hard as he can to fight against the USA!

DonBahn1

We all must remember God IS in CONTROL. Obama has to be the president to usher in the end times. Only a person with zero understanding of Biblical prophesy could do the treasonous things Obama is doing. Watch, when Damascus is destroyed the anti-Christ kingdom will come to power, more birthing pains are on their way, earthquakes, volcanos erupting, powerful storms, and 400 mph 100 foot tall waves crashing into shore lines, hold on it will be a bumpy ride from here on out. Six weeks before we invaded Iraq the WMDs were moved to Damascus, they can only be destroyed by high heat, i.e. thermonuclear detonation. YUP THINGS ARE GOING TO BE GETTING INTERESTING.

Brian P

INSANE!!!!!!! We have backwards thinking, stone-age barbarians hell bent on slaughtering us and we’re worried about offending them? WE are our own worst enemy. UNBELIEVABLE!!! We NEVER would have defeated Hitler or even have attempted to storm the beaches of Normandy with this kind of perverse thinking. It is PERVERSE. It’s irresponsible and downright ludicrous. It comes out of the minds of clinically insane people and we should push back at ALL costs!!!

MikeSlaney

“don’t offend them?” That’s gonna be hard to do esp. when they wanna kill you, where did that tid bit of wisdom come from ?

MichaelBurch

@MikeSlaney the general petaeus who wrote some of the most ignorant rules for our soldiers to obey….go mingle withthe enemy….be their friends…what drivil…

my opinion counts

Two things off the top of my head. I believe that it is against their first amendment rights, even if they are in the military. They have a right to state a FACT and their opinion. Second, it is going to get worse before it (may or may not) get better. I think by the time everyone wakes up to what is going on, it will be too late. Especially since obama’s czar just stated that COMMUNISM WORKS and now the SEIU is promoting communism everywhere. Well, it is going to get a whole lot worse. BTW, no one is screaming BENGHAZI enough. Write your congressman and tell them to co-sponsor HR824 to form an independent investigative unit. Until then, we will never know the truth since obama,holder, clinton and others are lying and covering up. Second, scream for the release of the Benghazi witnesses who are being held in Germany, against their will I am sure. I know they would love to be screaming about the STAND DOWN orders and their cries for help. Another thing: FAST & FURIOUS went by the wayside and Brian Terry is dead. How many more will it take ?

MichaelBurch

@my opinion counts well said…we all need to keep yelling…

GFWSR

islam; the ‘religion’ of perpetual rage! They are offended by our existence, and nearly every other thing known to man! Always remember that there are two kinds of muslims; jihadists, and potential jihadists!

BD Katt

@GFWSR There are good mooslimes,all dead.

Ray2

This cancerous radical religion has a foothold into our Country and is being pushed by obama. Let’s get rid of both of them and get our Country back .

pjbannister

I want to know what the hell we can do to rid ourselves of those AHs. You know that it is not our fighting men and women who are responsible for this but the high ranking idiots at the Pentagon. I wonder if they get a promotion by kissing you know whose rear end.

RobertJones1

Hell no don’t offend them, just shoot the hell out of them and be done with it. Problem solved.

SamCrisp

Well folks we must agree the Myans only missed the End of the World by a few weeks,looks like they will let the PENTAGON finish us all off !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SamCrisp

You must be a war monger you! lol

Corsica

It’s getting to the point where there’s going to be (should be?) a military takeover of our gov’t. Which, by the way, why hasn’t “Seven days in May” been remade?

LOU 7

The Muslim President is at it again. We had better get as mad as the unions and march on the white house, OUR HOUSE. These people are thugs including Obama for not responding to the violence yesterday.

GOD PLEASE BLESS OUR COUNTRY?

NavyJR

@LOU 7 He’s going to have to make restitution to Sodom and Gomorrah if He DARES bless this cesspool right now! Everything those 5 cities were blasted out of existence for is happening on a GRANDER scale here today! Marching on the WH won’t do anything. Obama’s got his parties to attend and then he’ll be in HI on our dime! All it can’ hope to do is get people arrested. Yes they’re thugs and worse. And the LAWS protect the union thugs; which at present we can’t change!

JIMDALE

SOME PEOPLE GET OFFENED BY JUST LOOKING AT THEM.THEY DO NOT LIKE US OR THE JEWS AND WILL KILL US EVERY CHANCE THEY GET,SO ONLY LOOK AT THEM IS THROUGH YOUR RIFLE SEIGHTS

Jim Bragg

You have GOT to be kidding me? THIS is in an OFFICIAL US HANDBOOK? I really want to know who is responsible for putting this BS in there. I WILL always stick up for women’s equality and think that they are every much as deserving as males socially and professionally. Additionally I will still refrain from bawdy behaviour in front of them, hold the door open and allow them to enter any building before me. Additionally I think and have no problem saying that someone who molests little boys and girl is a damned pervert and should have his manhood chopped off or her womanhood sewn shut! Too bad if they don’t like it.n To blame us for their perversions is like blaming a woman for being raped and murdered simply because she is female, oh wait, I forgot that they do that, rape innocent women and the female is then killed for allowing it to happen. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. This manual needs to be burned and a letter of apology given to the troops who may have seen it. We DO NOT compromise our civilized behaviour and respecting the very basic of human rights simply to appease these uncivilized ba$^@&#$ . If they do not start to treat people like they should, then turn the place into a glass parking lot for all I care.

@Mortuary5 @Jim Bragg shoot them with bullets dipped in pigs blood first .. oops that may offend them….. “Nam” 71-72

cherokee_warrior

If we had a comander-in-chief who had the best interests of the United States, and of our military forces, we would no longer have anyone in Afganistan. But, Obama has stated that they will be out by 2014, but we all know that Obama never seems to do what he says. He is a habitual liar, and unfortunately, even when his lies are played back to him, he denies that he said what he said. Makes one wonder, is this guy one of those with two or more personalities within the confines of his brain?

Why do we have to withstand the ‘ love the islamic’ bs that comes out of Washington? How long must we endure this crap? Is Afganistan worth the loss of more American and allied forces lives? Suggestion, flood the White House with letters demanding that we get out NOW. Millions of letters, that is what is needed. Overpower their mail room. And, just address them to Current Occupant, The White House. He does not deserve to addressed as President. A President loves his country and does what is right for his country, and thinks of the rights of the People over his own rights. And, these are things that Obama does not, by his actions, do.

And then, send more letters, send more emails to your Senators and to your Representatives demanding that they Impeach Obama for his many violations of the Constitution. For his ordering his Attorney General to not enforce laws of the United States, and the list can go on, and on, and on………………..

bmg28

There are no balls any where just spineless jack asses. This illlegal communist will never be impeached or anything else like jail time or better yet deported.

http://aol.com jean1000

The president has no balls whatsoever.

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

@jean1000 I think Michelle has them.

har82

To hell with bammie and his policies. Muslims are animals , plain and simple. Everything listed in this article – offends – the hell out of me as an American. That our own government would set on an appeasement campaign for terrorists is disgusting ,, to say the least …

brushcutter

What is wrong with those AH’s? Are our warriers supposed to say Thank you Friend when a islamic radical shots them. You couldn’t pull those decision maker’s heads out of their rectums with a D8 catipillar for having these thoughs. Those idiots who elected a damned muslim and its orangutan of a wife must not have as much brains as a carrot.. Our head mooslum is without any question doing everything he can for his brothers. I am an Americqn Veteran and proud of it, spent my tour is Vietman and absolutely would not have apoligized to Charlie before killing him. At least I have had the forethought to stock up on ammo for what is coming.

texaselect

@brushcutter Ditto Brother

mathis1689

@brushcutter I never had the time to worry about hurting their feelings .When some bast-rd with an AK is trying to blow your head off you d-mn well better worry about hurting more than his feelings!

NavyJR

@mathis1689 Hard to do when your bullets are in your POCKET; just one of the insane ROE our guys are dealing with over there.

desertru

@mathis1689 @brushcutter IT IS INSANE THAT ANYONE BE SO STUPID AS TO SAY ‘BE NICE’ TO THEM WHEN THEY SURE AS HECK ARE NOT NICE TO US;…OUR SOLDIERS ARE BLOWN UP WITH THEIR MICKEY MOUSE EXPLOSIVES WHILE WE HAVE THE MOST SUFFISTICATED WEAPONS THAT COULD BLOW THEM TO H WHERE THEY BELONG!!!….WHILE I HAVE DISCOVERED THAT BUSH WAS NOT NECESSARILY VERY SMART OR HELPFUL TO AMERICAN CAUSES, NOR HIS FATHER;…HE DID HAVE THE RIGHT IDEA AFTER 911….GO IN THERE AND BLOW THE CRAP OUT OF THEM….WE SHOULD HAVE FINISHED THE JOB!

gruejr30

So America, If we are not allowed to hurt their feelings, what the hell are we doing there. Is it just to see how many Americans they can kill for Obama ?

ReaperHD

First muslim problem we have is the one in the WH, clear that one up and the other muslim problems will be easier to solve.

texaselect

We are fighting an ememy alright, he is sitting in the White House as I type. Henry Belafonte the Marxist is calling for the “opposition” to be sent to concentration camps or killed. Get ready to start shooting when the time comes. I fear it won’t be long before this country is fractured and civil war breaks out. The liberals will be destroyed but are too brain damaged to realize that fact.

bmg28

Yes and belafonte first just make dam sure he is first

American Sailor

Jesus Christ is Lord. He will prove it to you if you open your heart to Him and give Him a chance. That’s all He asks.

Evermyrtle

@American Sailor 7X7, 60×12, He is never asleep, call on HIM any time, any day.

SamCrisp

@American Sailor LIKE! Lets give Him that chance,lets see, PRAYER back in our SCHOOLS,national anthem at all events,death penalty for hienous crimes. Asking forgivness for our Nation for murdering 60 million unborns babies. We have a long laundry list to repent of! Lets get started back onto the road of recovery!

WolfmanThomas

kill all the Islam Muslim Terrorists Bastards and let God sort them out

al pambuena

the terrorists must be laughing their camel butts off at this…no wonder all the dictators around the world wanted obama reelected.

harleydavidson

If we did this during WWII, we would all be speaking German now…and there would be no Jews, no Blacks, no minorities.

violator1

@harleydavidson That is a fact but the progressives do not believe that there was a WWII> They have been at least the halfwitted side washed of all reality and the other half of their brains were removed ( Required to become a democrat,liberal,progressive,ass kissing communist,homosexual,socialist,dog eaters!

NavyJR

@violator1 NOW they’re denying the whole WAR??? Wow! So… my Dad spent 3 1/2 years of his life bouncing around Pacific Islands, mostly in an unarmed cargo/ambulance plane, avoiding nonexistent Japanese shooting nonexistent bullets and shells at him and his crew, and my Mom spent almost 2 years living in a quonset hut on New Guinea, caring for the nonexistent wounded Marines and sailors from a war that didn’t happen, AND brought home PICTURES of it too. Now THAT’S a really good trick! And those she photographed and said have been returnees from the Japanese POW camps that obviously didn’t exist, since there was no war, who looked like skeletons with dried leather stretched over them…. that was just REALLY GREAT FX, I suppose? They just picked up the matching suits for the heck of it? I AM impressed with their ‘superior” knowledge of world events! {sarcasm off now}

desertru

There are those that were employed by our own government that were in the SS and they are planning things for us now along the lines of the Natzi’s……check out the camps they are building all over America! The government wil hunt us down and shoot first ask questions later. What I want to know is whom in the worldf would take out theri own…guess tha thappened int he Civil War though didn’t it….and if we plan to do anything we had better get busy or they will clamp down and shut us off…..I REPEAT HOWEVER; THERE ARE MILLINS OF US AND ONLY HUNDREDS OF THEM….DO YOU CARE ABOUT AMERICA, THE TUTH AND FREEDOM, FAITH AND A LIFE WORTH LIVING? IF SO; WE HAVE GOT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT ALL OF THIS AND DEMAND THAT OBAMA STEP DOWN AND REPLACE HIM WITH SOMEONE THAT IS A TRUE PATRIOT…GET RID OF THAT IDIOT CABINET OF HIS AND ALL THE PEOPLE HE HAS PLACED ALL OVER TO INCLUDE MANY MUSLIMS…..IT IS NOW OR NEVER AND A VERY DARK FUTURE FOR ALL OF US OTHERWISE…WE TALK A LOT BUT NO ONE IS REALLY DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT ALL…..

bmg28

Well shut my mouth. Tell the big wigs that came up with this insane idea go to he– God but I feel for our military and the crap they are starting to make them do. Wonder when these rotten politicians going to issue only rubber bullets sure as hell wouldn’t surprise me one bit

Blueslo

@bmg28 they do already ”on the mexican border”

Sgt York

just tell them to kiss my country butt. These guys want to kill us and O’Vomit wants the Military to kiss up? He is afraid the bos will come for him is all. Tell the Islamist’s you flat hate them and then send them on to hell

David in MA

WAKE-UP! It has nothing to do with offending anyone, it has to do with obama committing treason by supplying the islamic terrorists with money, weapons and a clear walk,,…Can’t America see this. And as for the politicians supporting this BS, you will not be in the new islamic marxist utopia, YOU WILL BE DEAD WHEN YOUR NO LONGER NEEDED FOR OBAMA TO COMPLETE HIS MISSION, RIGHT BESIDE THE NEWS MEDIA ! Arrest this mentally ill person, forget impeachment, use the courts. YES a president can be ARRESTED just like any other citizen….Pres. Grant was arrested while in office (look it up).,..

Tony Ruiz

Our America is now deaf, dumb and blind

above the law

What do ya mean “radical islam” the teachings give thumbs up to killing, female mutilation and oppression, lies and world domination,excuse me that is RADICAL!!!!!

George W Krauss

OK…don’t offend them…SHOOT THEM!!! >;-<

violator1

@George W Krauss I say make them eat Swine rare! And watch qurans burn as heating materials in camp fires! The one problem with the burning of qurans is that the odor or stinch of these vile words being burned is an agonizing odor requiring gas mask outfittings for anyone within 500 miles of the flames fueled by the qurans! Then we shoot them how does that grab ya?!!!!!!

http://www.livefyre.com/ Just Jill

Why not bring our military home and allow the idiots to annihilate one another.

violator1

@Just Jill I am all for that or just let them back up and I mean back up Israel via say policing actions in the Cities freeing up their soldiers for the front actions against their enemies!

OldObserver

@Just Jill Right—and put them all down on our southern border to close it.

tim meenan

don’t insult them, just shoot the bastards and be done with it ! hoo-rawww

PLT SGT CHE

All three of my sons served in the USArmy. All served in combat units, and served faithfully on more than two tours each in the combat zones of Iraq and Afghanistan. They each have my permission to say anything about any thing they wish anytime thay wish to say it.. They have earned the respect our politically correct elected servants have no authority under the U.S. Constitution to deny. Their freedom of speech and expression was not granted by bureaucrats and et al effeminate leaders who would exercise authority over them that is not granted by the constitution they are sworn to uphold just like the soldiers they would betray. Note: My sons do not need instruction from the government–my sons exercise common sense without close supervision from civilians too craven to stand up for the men they have no problem sending to kill but would hijack their freedom to act responsibly without a bureaucrats instruction. Our government may play a negative role behind the very high suicide rate among USArmy soldiers who the government would cruelly place in untenable positions? Speak up for our soldiers or exercise silence. If a soldier speaking the truth can be banned speech—then so can every American’s speech be silenced by lawless government.

remesquaddie

@PLT SGT CHE Unfortunately, we have ballless generals nowadays. No more Pattons around.

NavyJR

@PLT SGT CHE Well said, and thank-you and your sons for all your service. I believe you’ve hit the nail about the increasing rates of suicides among our troops too, What’s going on over there is enough to make anyone suicidal!

violator1

@PLT SGT CHE Well said and I too defend your sons right to say what they please without any inhibitions from our idiots in leadership! I also thank both of them for their haveing fulfilled their obligations to their Country! I am discusted with this spineless bunch of cowards that have been elected and are even being paid good money to act like a bunch of idiotic dead heads! They need a lobby riding the gain over them due to their lack of common sense! This would be the first lobby that would not be asking for special interest representation but just for the interest of the people!

desertru

@PLT SGT CHE HOOOOOO HAHHHHHH and then some!!! Who does he think he is to tell our soldiers to kowtow like he does……..mercy people when…WHEN are we ALL going to DO something about that evil man? WE ALL MUST DEMAND THAT HE STEP DOWN AND GET OUT OF WA NOW….BEFORE JANUARY!!! JUST THINK HOW IT WOULD BE IF WE ALL DID THIS….CALLS, LETTERS AND GET SOMEONE TO PUT IT ON THE TV….MASSIVE DEMONSTRATION IN FRONT OF THE CAPITAL WITH BIG SIGNS : OBAMA GET OUT OF OUR WHITEHOUSE NOW!!! BE PEACEFUL AND ORDERLY, BUT GO ENMASS AND LET HIM KNOW!!!!!!

ashman1

If Obama-Sutra wants to kiss a camel’s fanny, or a muslim’s. for that matter, (the resemblance between the two is uncanny), then let him do so. But to spend my money on F16s for Egypt, billions on Pakistan, and I don’t know how many other caliphs, imams, I a toilahs, and others of this phylogenetic anomaly, then he needs to be transplanted in one of those countries. That’s where he belongs idealistically.

NavyJR

@ashman1 No need to transplant; he was born in Kenya and their legislature still officially claims him ON their legislative record. His last known citizenship is Indonesian. Both are Muslim dominant nations. We get a choice!

muzik37

Our soldiers have enough to be concerned about without having to put the CORRECT sentences together while fighting TERROR. Now this politically correct administration THINKS they can do what this man in the white house and his Liberals have done to turn the world into puppets that they control. Now you will see fewer REAL MEN signing up to defend our nation. Why should they try to keep up with saving their lives, the lives of their team and the people we are trying to help while playing politics?

This is a day and a time that you can ask, why would one of our young people choose to go into any branch of the Armed Forces,it more evil that any back alley in the USA.

deanied

@Evermyrtle You are correct! Our military fights for our freedoms, NOT Socialism & a dictator! The only ones who will join will be brown shirts, BUT…will there be any military left to protect us after Bummer makes all the cuts he wants just to feed the Gov. hunger for CONTROL!! This insanity must stop…SOMEHOW!! Maybe HOFFA is right, a civil war, but against Obummer!

Evermyrtle

@deanied @Evermyrtle Bummer doe not want us to have a reliable Army or anything else to protect the country. Protecting is not his idea, his idea is giving it away and that is what he is doing every day, and every day we are moving toward his goal for us.

desertru

@deanied @Evermyrtle THAT MAN NEEDS TO HAVE A GOOD WHOOPIN….OUT BEHIND THE WHITEHOUSE AND TAUGHT SOME MANNERS, NOT TO MENTION SENSE……HE IS PATHETIC!!!! WE HAVE GOT TO MAKE HIM STEP DOWN; treason, lies, back door deals and midnight meetings, trashing us to everyone overseas, stand for the muslims against us and our allies like Israel and a host of many more things!!!!! IF WE ALL WROTE LETTERS, CALLED ON THE SWITCHBOARD AT THE WH telling them we want him out and driving them NUTS OR MARCH IN A YANKED HIM OUT BY HIS GROWING LONG NOSE FOR ALL THE LIES HE HAS TOLD!! NEVER HAS ANYONE DESERVED TO BE THRASHED AS THAT FOOL! EVEN PEABNUT BRAIN CARTER WAS NOT AS EVIL AS THIS ONE!

deanied

@desertru @Evermyrtle I couldn’t have said it better & you’re NOT alone in what you say! Get me the number, I’ll do my part & start calling!!! I’ll TRY & have a Merry Christmas & God only knows how the New Year will be!! Thanks..

Joe Bandmember

We will fight Islam in the streets of America soon. And the homosexuals who think the Democrats are protecting them will soon find that the Dems consider them expendable in the march to Shariaville,

Evermyrtle

Pray and ask, “COME LORD JESUS, WE ARE WAITING FOR YOU!”

desertru

@Evermyrtle AMEN!!!! BEAM US UP!!! Never in all my life would I have believed that America could get so bad as to have a communist government and NO ONE did anything concrete to get rid of them!! There are many more of us than there are of them……if those that we relie on to take on the governement are not doing so, then it is the duty of WE, THE PEOPLE!!! Or are we going to wait until they start hearding us into FEMA concentration camps and have ravaged our homes taking our gunas and anything else they wish to??? THEN WILL BE TOO LATE….THE ONE WORLD ORDER IS COMING AND IT IS ALREADY ON OUR SHORES ……THE UN!!!!!!

Kissitgoodbye

If George W. Bush did what Barack Obama did in Bengzi, can you imagine the backlash? He would have been impeached. Now when anyone questions what happened in Bengazi, it is because Fox News is “Obsessed”. Where are the Republicans? Are they so afraid for their political careers that they are just laying low? If that’s the case, and they don’t step up to the plate, they should start to look for alternative employment, at say, a turnip farm. No wait… Our farms are going under too! Well maybe Wal-Mart? Hmmmm…maybe not there either.

grandmaliberty

This president has done everything in his power and beyond to weaken our defenses.. he will not be satisfied until he has brought America to her knees. and we are letting him do it…

OldObserver

@grandmaliberty He is deliberately working to destroy this country

tnorga

Our Founding Fathers believed in freedom of the press, the press being the watch dogs of our liberties. Since the majority of the press, be it on radio,television and the printed word are not doing their job, they should not be afforded ” freedom of the press” until they start acting like the defenders of our Constitution. I would like to see a law passed to deny those freedoms to traitors of the press and the American people.

gnafuasusual

Well, kiss my katoot! Perhaps our service people should dress in gowns and wear dish towels on their heads and the grils should wear rags on their heads and cover their faces. Suppose!? There are die hard service people in Afghanistan and other places that no human being should live and to tell them they are to be sweet to the enemy, W T H is going on? I still say that every person who wants to be Congressmen/Ladies and President should have to pull four years in the U.S. Military Service before being considered for any Federal Government job. Then, they wouldn’t write this kind of nonsense in any reg.

cherokee_warrior

@gnafuasusual It has long been my own belief that the Constituion should be amended to provide that any person who russ for President must have served honorably in one of the branches of the military. That service could be through any of the Reserves, National Guards or active military. After all, if a reservist or National member is now serving in Afganistan, or elsewhere, they are under fire, and some have given the ultimate sacrifice, their life. I also hold the feeling that anyone who is nominated to serve as the Secretary of Defense should be a retired General Staff officer on the 4 branches of service. We should never have had any non military personnel in that task.

NavyJR

@cherokee_warrior I agree and have been saying so for some time as well; and SECNAV should also be. Doesn’t have to have been combat or even as a combatant; but sufficient to KNOW what it is to serve and to sign that open contract too. To know that he COULD have been called on to do what he’s sending others to do, and to KNOW at least how to correctly pronounce the titles, and recognize the rank/rate devices! The KINDEST thing this one has done, IMO, for veterans and active duty personnel alike, is to stay AWAY from the Memorial Day and Veterans’ Day ceremonies. I would personally find it very offensive to have him show up.

unwillingvictime

@gnafuasusual I totally agree! Those who hurt our country the most have had no military at all! The only uniform Slick Willy wore was a band uniform. He messed up so many chances to take Osama out it’s ridiculous! He actually worried about collateral damage and a couple of innocents getting killed. We paid for that foolish decision 100 times over. We had great intel and knew exactly where he was twice and he was “afraid”. Poor little Willy didn’t want to get yelled at, forget about the poor guys who put themselves in harms way to do it, yet still very willing to risk dying. He’s afraid he might hurt one of the less radical wackos. Luckily this op was already passed the point of no return when the current military hater actually was told about it. He had called it off twice already at his adviser/puppet master’s insistence. Even his supporters were not going to take that chance a third time! If Valerie sticks her hand up any more, we will see it when he opens his mouth!

desertru

@gnafuasusual If the big mouths in WA were to have to serve they would NEVER make it! It would give them a real education to boot…something they are lacking in as they think they are so big and pushy!! Just let them get under the command of a good officer ….that would straighten them out real fast…bang zoom! manners, courage, grit, pride in serving and faith in God…….cause they coul ddie at any time!!!!

brushcutter

Have read the other comments and agree with all of them. Can’t think of anything to add except this. All our troops should dip all their bullets, rockets, grenades, and every other weapon that would come in contact with any of the moosulims in hog blood. That should cause some attitude changes. Also use some of the spray planes like in Vietman except instead of loading them with defoliant, load them with hog blood. A spraying trip or two over their training camps should do lots of good without having to talk “nasty” to them.

General Officers are selected not for being great warriors (not one of these star-wearing momma boys can hold a candle to the least of the generals in 1945) but for being brain-dead yes puppets of a self-serving corrupt administration. OUR TROOPS are as great as they have ever been and the lower grade officers are more than adequate but from Commanders and Lt Col on we have lost the fire in the belly and guts glory! Let’s not stand up for American values and bow down to the one- world order BS. OVER THE DEAD BODY OF UNCLE SAM. Screw the rag heads. Gee I hope I did not offend

Redmongo1

@Son of Liberty obama has spent the past four years purging those upper echelon officers who don’t fully agree with his political/power mad views.

@yancie I will not send Obama anything because he is nothing to me. We have hired a fourth rate no-nothing and our beautiful country is suffering horribly for it. Some compare Obama to Lincoln. Remember what happened to Lincoln early in his second term.

NavyJR

@Son of Liberty Even at his worst, and Lincoln wasn’t the saint we’ve all been led to believe either, he was NEVER as bad as Obama, and to “compare” them in any way is to do a disservice to Lincoln. There are SO many things wrong with doing that , starting with Lincoln was EDUCATED; which is to say he EARNED his knowledge, unlike Obama who was HANDED his under “affirmative action” rules! Then there’s the fact that he never lost or had to give up his license to practice law for FRAUD. And speaking of that; we all KNEW where he was born. He didn’t show his school records because he didn’t HAVE any, not because he was trying to hide anything. Oh, and Lincoln KNEW how to WORK, he held MANY jobs in his life before the WH. That’s just a short list of the reasons there’s NO comparison!

FormerLadyLaw

@NavyJR @Son of Liberty Thanks for standing up for Honest Abe! A fantastic book on him: Author: Joe Wheeler, “Abraham Lincoln, A Man of Faith and Courage.” It’s magnificent. Among his numerous accomplishments, he was also the one who kept our nation TOGETHER. This one you can find on-line: “Abraham Lincoln: Theologian of American Anguish,” by David Elton Trueblood, 1973…this comprehensive work is just stunning……. Good holiday reading

Son of Liberty

@NavyJR I agree. I do not compare them however I have heard many of his lackies do it. My comment is to simply compare myself to those who lived in the South in 1861 if you catch my meaning. BTW I did sign the Texas petition to leave the Union peacefully.

NavyJR

@Son of Liberty That’s okay, I signed the one for AZ too!

alohadonna

@Son of Liberty @yancie I hope NO ONE makes a martyr out of this arrogant moocher. God help us that would be the WORST thing to do. The myth would outstrip the reality it would be nauseating.

unwillingvictime

@Son of Liberty @yancie Don’t forget who moves up as well! They knew what they were doing when they picked his VP. Why else do you think he or they didn’t select someone else? Sadly, I doubt I will ever see a President who is competent before I kick off this khaki planet. I would have more chance of getting elected than actually having one I really liked!

NavyJR

@yancie Best make that 1600, not 1700, Pennsylvania Avenue in DC; lest it not arrive. I don’ t know what may be at 1700, but it’s for sure NOT the White House!

SamCrisp

@yancie BOY YOUR A LOW LIFE asking me to INSULT A PIG, WHICH ONE???????

sreynolds

@yancie what is at 1700 Pennsylvania? The gay bath house next to the white house?

Dad

You guys up for some fun? Go to Pink Progressives on FaceBook. I did, and got banned. I did nothing wrong, no foul language or anything. Just didn’t agree andposted this link and they went ape sheet. I clicked on a James Taylor photo someone on my freinds list liked and the comment from James was he is and old white guy who voted for Obama. Have fun, keep it clean and you will see that no one will say anything with substance. Thney will call you names but never respond to anything you ask them.

NavyJR

You go ahead and “double dip” for me; my blood pressure wouldn’t do that well at all, and I see no sound reason to stroke out for that!

SherylDenny

@Dad that should be “yellow” progressives…they’re all cowards ..:)

SamCrisp

Boy oh BOY u r a low life asking me to insult a PIG,which one?

grams

BS! how about them not offending us? Double standards never work very long or last … people are tired of babying the the political correctness we show others while they laugh at us and count their money the US gives them. SCREW THEM! When they rebuilt the churches they have burned, the bibles and public apologies to all the Christians for OFFENDING us. Then we will see. They take our “turn the other cheek to their advantage and then demand we be nice while they act like bitch dogs in heat!

suzy2

Obama’s agenda is to bring the Muslim Bortherhood power and in to our county. I say squash the Muslim brotherhood.

ArthurAnderson

@suzy2 How can you do that when it appears that the president is one of them..?????

Tonto USA

@ArthurAnderson @suzy2 The only reason THAT wimp hasn’t had a severe “attitude adjustment” is because he’s protected by the heavy hitters of the secret service……which is certainly not to say that he doesn’t deserve one.

vinagaroon

I wouldn’t want anyone in my family to join the military these days. With the liberal, socialist government in power, service people are suckers with targets on thier backs, ordered to kowtow to our enemies by cowards.

desertru

@vinagaroon I AGREE, BUT IF THE GOOD GUYS DON’T, THAT MEANS THE GAYS AND FRUITCAKES WILL AND THEN WE WILL REALLY BE IN A MESS….AH, on second thought- THAT MAY JUST BE A GOOD IDEA AFTER ALL….SORRY FOR THE SERVICES THOUGH; ONCE IT WAS SUCH A HONORABLE THING TO DO…I grew up in a military family and am still military through and through!! Proud to be a “brat” and traveled where I never would have gotten to go…learned a lot about what matters, what honor is, and military pride……Our government is trashing everything they touch these days and I wonder why we are letting it all happen? There are many more of us than them, but one day they will lower the boom and we will not be able to do anything…..so what do we DO aout it all folks??????

vinagaroon

@desertru I too am proud military Brat. My father was in 3 wars. WWII, Korea and Vietnam, and I am very, very proud of that. But with commies running the government it does not mean the same and is not good for those serving. Let the gays take over the military and die for the muslum commie. And when obama along with his new gay and occupy wall streeter military and the UN try to take our guns away they will be fighting the REAL military along with partriotic gun owning civilians. Let it begin so we can get it over with .

AndrewJerome

If you shoot them first, then they won’t have time to be offended.

sargentrock

@AndrewJerome Give this Muslim president and his socialist cronies time and they will make it illegal to shoot them…

OldObserver

If you’ve had any question about whose side our current administration is on, I think this shows it. Our own administration looks to me to be an “enemy of the state”—now i suppose i’ll get a visit from the men in black—-

JARNKM

The BEST and easiest thing to happen would be the following scenario: The next day, in the “Little Oval Room” away from the “Big Oval Room” in the White House, while sitting upon his (probably black) “Throne”, he is (as usual) so “full of it” that he reaches around and flushes it while still on the throne. Suddenly, he is sucked through the “Oval Donut” and follows the initial “load of waste” into the bottomless White House’ Cess Pool … never to be heard from again!!!! MAN!!!! Now that would be a good reason for another “Macy’s Day Parade”!! Oh well, when you get old, I guess it’s OK to dream, on occasion!

tazz89103

@JARNKM thats ok it sounded good anyway,,,,,

ashman1

……….into the bottomless White House’ Cess Pool. . . where he is joined by Biden, Holder, Hillary, and the rest of his inane cabinet that were inadvertently flushed by a cleaning lady the night before. What a dream! And what a nightmare for the dungbeetle corps.

AD Roberts

Freedom of speech is another casualty of the DEMANDS of the muslims.

We are now declared to be SECOND CLASS citizens by our OWN government.

WHEN IN THE COURSE OF HUMAN EVENTS…………………………..

SherylDenny

Well then..don’t insult them..just kill their ass…that’ll will fix that…

desertru

Is it a war or a prom dance?” Good grief…those fools need to get over themselves and hush. They are NOT the only people in the world and why everyone kowtows around them and ALLOWS EVERYONE ELSE TO BE PUSHED AROUND BY THEIR NONSESENSE IS RUBBISH! Who the heck are they to get their tubines in a knot because no one else likes them or lives, thinks or believes as they do either! They need to be told to hush and stop pusing peoples of the world around with their fool totalitarian nonsense!

mclark4430

I guess it is alright for them to kill Americans, but Americans can’t say anything to insult them. How much sense does that make?

necrmonger

@mclark4430 Must have somethng to do w/ political correctness or some such nonsense!

necrmonger

Naa!,,be nice to ‘em then blow their brains out!!..this comes from, a veteran of an earlier war.!….I say just bring ‘em home we could use all that wasted money here!

VicBailey

How much dumber can this regime prove that it trally is that DUMMB? Only this STUPID Bama bunch of morons, are having the world laugh their asses of at us! That is just like giving a death row inmate a swipe of alcohol, before they inject him with a leathal dose of a drug! When are we going to come up with people that gas xome common sense? This Socialist government sure doesn’t have any. Semper Fi.

disharted

thisa group we have in this administreation would love for all military personnel would go away so they can replace them with theire brown shirts army. a army that that does not like our country, it will not be to far in the future that America will wake up and find themself in a governmeny controled situation wher there will be no personal rights only those allowed by the govern. I hope am wrong but am sure the wrighting is on the wall.

VicBailey

This has to be the dumbest thing yet! Bama just proves more each day who’s side he is on and it’s NOT ours! People you all need to wake up and smell the BS this regime is trying to sell us! He is bound and determined with the help of Hiliary and the UN to take our guns and have us in prison, just like Lincoln did during his term, and he did that to anybody that disagreed with him. Sound Familiar? A lot of them were in prison until the war was over! Lincoln is NOT the hero that everybody wants you to think, just like Roosevelt and Wilson, two that helped Socialisum’s grasp on our government, and Newt Gingrich thinks that they are heroes? Think Again! Why can’t the American people tell the TRUTH about some of our leaders being Bums and Crooks? HW Bush helped kill Kennedy and put LBJ (the biggest crook to ever come out of Texas) in office so he could steal our Social Security, then Carter went one farther and started giving our Social Security to the INVADERS (illegals)! It’s time to wake up. Our crooked leaders need FIRED, they are NOT Royality, even though they would to think they are! We will NEVER get our country back, if we can’t admidt when a politician is NOT WORTH A DAMN! Quit making BUMS into heroes, we have real heroes but the media don’t want you to know! Semper Fi.

Joe

There is just one thing that hasn’t occurred to our nin-compoop pres and that is, by weakening this country, he is making HIMSELF irrelevant on the international stage! His popularity has gone down overseas and I imagine the Russians are laughing and the Chinese are thanking whatever gods they have left. A strong America demands respect and brings respect to its people and its leaders. Guess they didn’t teach that in the schools O attended.

PaulChristensen

What get me is he is not smart enough to figure that one out. He still thinks he is God and the king prince.

PaulChristensen

And sure enough it got worse after Obama was elected. But I am wondering how that can be, but sure enough has happened and too soon already.

Foxtrap

Everything Obama does in regards to radical islam paints a big bullseye on anything American. So now he’s trying to brown-nose Mursi by sending him 20 free, brand new, top-of-the-line F-16 fighter jets. It’s no secret that part of the Benghazi debacle entailed Obama’s “arranging” for Ghadaffi’s weaponry to fall into AlQaeda’s hands, which then used to murder our embassy staff. This new politically correct rubbish will certainly make it worse. The Islamists HAVE to be laughing their butts off at us. America committed suicide on November 6th.

AndrewMicklos

@Foxtrap America committed suicide in 2008, we covered the grave in 2012.

http://davesmithcm.com/ Antionus

We have seen the enemy, and the enemy is us. This is unconscionable and irresponsible stupidity beyond belief. I say if you want to avoid offending radical Islamists then send them to Allah without a single comment, only recoil.

protectliberty

The sharia is what the people wanted…

we (USA) should LEAVE and allow them to enjoy their sharia life.

protectliberty

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The sharia is what the people wanted…

we (USA) should LEAVE and allow them to enjoy their sharia life. .

AndrewMicklos

@protectliberty This is our country. Our forefathers and their fathers built it before handing it off to us to allow it to be destroyed. Some of us don’t want to run and hide.

http://davesmithcm.com/ Antionus

This is irresponsible, dangerous and stupid. I say, just send the vile pigs to Allah without any comment whatever. The only sound Islamists should hear – the rifle report; the only thing our soldiers should feel – the recoil.

PS: No offense intended for pigs.

sargentrock

I wonder if shooting them with bullets dipped in pigs blood would be offensive to them???

ArthurAnderson

@sargentrock Where is General ‘Blackjack’ Stillwell when America just one General with a backbone and a committment to his ‘oath of office’…?????

ArthurAnderson

@sargentrock Correction to previous comment,,,should read “…when America NEEDS just one General with a backbone….

Tonto USA

@ArthurAnderson @sargentrock A commander in the sand box has just issued such an order….to ignore such stupidity. Good for him….oorah!

sargentrock

@ArthurAnderson Roger that my friend. We need some General Pattons today who would have taken them all out by now, then knelt and prayed and thanked God.

JerryRobison

@ArthurAnderson @sargentrock You are confusing historical nicknamesof two famous military leaders. In WW2 it was General Joseph Warren “Vinger Joe” Stilwell and in WW1 it was General of the Armies John Joseph “Black Jack” Pershing.

ArthurAnderson

@JerryRobison @ArthurAnderson @sargentrock Thank you sir….

Redd1958

@sargentrock After it enters their Flesh, how will you be able to tell one pigs blood from the other??

sargentrock

@Redd1958 Can’t, just wonder if it may have offended them thats all… You know according to thier teaching that if they even ‘touch’ a swine they cannot enter their paradise…. so lets send them all to hell…..

Redd1958

@sargentrock I Agree!!! The sooner the Better!!!!

Tonto USA

Such an order is an “illegal” order under the UCMJ. Putting a rifle barrel on a man’s chest to stop him from beating on a woman, or even just admistering a severe butt whipping for such behavior is well within the perview of “being a man” and noone has the right to stop any man from such activity. Period. Dot.

pete0097

Well isn’t that special. I am insulted that obama is the president, what does he think about that? I am insulted that the military is concerned about insulting the bad guys bad issues. I can see not insulting islam in general, after all it is a very large cult, but to not be able to insult things like pediophilia and abuse of women is not to bright. Although merely putting the things not to discuss in the manual is pretty funny considering they are ILLEGAL in this country.

AndrewMicklos

Are there no military leaders man enough to stand up and say ENOUGH!!!!

AMERICAN SOLDIER

@AndrewMicklos I think the Leaders are in the MILITARY, however the “commander-in-muslim” won’t allow anything but his radical agenda to be done

AndrewMicklos

@AMERICAN SOLDIER You are not the only American soldier. Colen Powell would most likely go along with this nonsense but I wouldn’t try it on Swartzneger. There are leaders and then there are leaders. The German generals found out what happens to you if you claim to be following orders from a mad man.

Redd1958

@AndrewMicklos It surely doesn’t look like it!! We have raised a Generation of Sissy’s and Wimps, that seems to exalt appeasement!! We need our Old Soldiers back in Charge of this Country like Patton, Eisenhower, Schwartzkoff,…….At this Point, I’d take a General Lee or a General Sherman!!

RAHunt

“Walking my post a mile a minute, carrying my weapon with nothin’ in it.” Who has sanitized our military instruction manuals? As a veteran, I surely would not want to serve with pacifists and friends of our enemies. Perhaps we should add another Article to the UCMJ, allowing those aiding and abeting through pacificity to be Courts Martialed and punished with dishonorable discharge. Discipline is often best obtained through “fear of reprisal,” and the new rules are hard to accept.

Amvet

This is all part of the dumming down of America. I am almost to the point that we need to purge all Islamic Cult-ers out of the United States and cut all aid to any country that supports or allows any form of Sharia Law to be practiced and take “Politically Correct” and stick it where the sun doesn’t shine.

I believe it all boils down to the fact that there will be NO compromise between Islam and any other religion. There will be another crusade in the future and it will be terrible. Most likely atomic and biologic weapons will be used. The earth’s ppulation will be drastically reduced!!! It is possible that Earth will become a barren planet!!!

mallen11

@dboyerdr Jesus Christ is in control of history… 2 Peter 3:7 But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the Day of Judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

joe935

The taliban are killing our soldiers but our soldiers are supposed to love them. How ridiculous can it get?

AMERICAN SOLDIER

Gosh, rather that hurt their feelings COME HOME they will be just fine !!!!!!!!!!!!

undunder

Is there any doubt that America is being led by a muslim or an islamic sympathizer at best? He repeatedly takes the side of islam against all others when given a chance. Just like he said he would in one of his books.

necrmonger

In your paranoid mind there is no doubt in reality there is!

Amvet

I have a picture of Abraham Lincoln – 1863 ” Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and shoud be arrested, exiled, or hanged.” No trurer words have been said and we need to start at the top.

undunder

Is there any doubt that America is being led (and I use that word loosely) by a muslim or at best an islamic sympathizer? He repeatedly takes the side of muslims over everyone else when a side is there to take…just like he said he would in one of his books.

Amvet

I have a video of Obama boasting after being elected to the Senate that he was NOT an American, that he was Not born in Hawaii, that he was born in Kenya and that is father was a British Subject. In order to be the President of the United States you must be born to parents (plural) you are citizens of the United States. He also states he is a citizen of Indonesia. Recent release of his college registration shows he applied and received funding as a foreign student from Indonesia.

mallen11

@Amvet Your video needs to be given to the right sources to help get rid of -0 sooner than later.

@Amvet I have seen this before and have also heard it was “doctored” to put words in his mouth. I hope it is his true words. If it is, something should have been done by now to get him out of office.

StephenDefilippis

@Amvet nwhy don’t you post the link to this alleged video or send it to fox news shoot, send it to everyone – go tell it on the mountain even.in internet vernacular “pics or GTFO”

mallen11

Teaching our military to become wimps also puts fear in their minds against our enemies. Be prepared for warfare with enough Bible Doctrine in your mind that when the battle begins here in our country you will be able to put your full trust in God and fight with all your might. Psalm 18:33-34 He makes my feet like hinds’ feet, and sets me upon my high places. He teaches my hands to war (beast barracks), so that my arms can bend a bow of bronze. (The breaking of weapons is a sign of the breaking of the enemy.) 2 Samuel 22:3 My God, my rock, in whom I take refuge, my shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold and my refuge; my savior, You deliver me from violence.

drbhelthi

@mallen11 YEA, VERILY !!!

RAHunt

@mallen11 Amen!! For Bible-believing Christians, islam is a product of descendents of Ishmael and is a pagan religion. Obama said that America was not a Christian nation. In his mind perhaps, apparently he is not a Christian and perhaps a follower of islam and their koran.

mallen11

@RAHunt You are absolutely right. Keep in touch with God. May you have a very meaningful Christmas Season and a Christ filled New Year.

AMERICAN SOLDIER

I have a GREAT IDEA !!!!!!!!!!! Come home let those wonderful relatives of Obozo work their own problems out. Get back to the USA and get ready for communisium that Obozo is pushing !!!!!!!!!!

soldtonorm

At least the terms “Center Mass” and “Double Tap” are allowed. So accurately depicting Obama as an incompetent pawn of a Communist conspiracy would not be allowed. We can REALLY mess them up by arming the Afgan women!

R Young

As U.S. Military they are consideres guests in the country and so it is correct not to offend anyone!

Shelby H

Those “guests” as you call them, are over there at the risk of their lives, at our expense, protecting people who cannot protect themselves, at the request of some two-bit dictator, by the order of a president who don’t know the difference between the Marine Corps and a marine corpse, and really doesn’t care to start with. Quite frankly, I don’t care what those brave troops call the SOB who are shooting at them, or Obama for sending them there.

DianePenn

My taxes are supposed to be paying for a military to protect me and MY nation, not to be in a country as if guests. Might someone tell me why we are in Germany and in effect defending most of the European nations when the cold war is supposed to be over? Why cannot these countries pay to protect themselves? They seem to have had the will to make war on each other over the centuries and twice brought us into their battles. Now it is time for us to bring our troops home from their ‘guest homes’ and return them to the bosom of our own nation and perhaps even deploy them along the borders of our southern states to thwart the ‘guests’ who enter this country illegally.

MSGT JOHN CORREA

Diane Penn, I do agree with your sentiments, but unfortunately, we have learned through history that ‘dictatorship’ is a growing cancer in lust for power. Many of these foreign countries lack the funds and resources for creating their own protective armies. And we, as the most powerful nation on earth, we have been invited as their guest. We are the tenants and they are the hosts. Just imagine if we failed to stop Adolph Hitler whose ambition was to conquer the world. Well, we still have little Hitlers around that wishes to conquer the world even today. Going along with your sentiments, I would love to closed down the corrupted United Nations (UN) and have them go back to their own countries and use whatever means of resources to run their own countries in a democratic fashion. We should only intervene when ‘dictators’ attempt to cross their own borders for the purpose of conquering and enslaving their neighbors. We won’t want dictators to grow powerful like Adolph Hitler did making our task to liberate countries as difficult as it was then.

MSGT JOHN CORREA USAF (RET)

Amvet

Biden may be interim President by End of 2012…VERY INTERESTING VERY QUIETLY OBAMA’S CITIZENSHIP CASE REACHES THE SUPREME COURT AP – WASHINGTON D.C. In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama’s qualifications for the presidency, the group “Americans for Freedom of Information” has Released copies of President Obama’s college transcripts from Occidental College … Released today, the transcript school indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship. This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama’s detractors have been seeking. Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship, this is looking pretty grim. The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama’s legitimacy and qualification to serve as President article titled, “Obama Eligibility Questioned,” leading some to speculate that the story may overshadow economic issues on Obama’s first official visit to the U.K. In a related matter, under growing pressure from several groups, Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama’s legal eligibility to serve as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey . This lawsuit claims Obama’s dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president.. Donofrio’s case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama’s citizenship or qualification to serve as president. Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama’s campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. Attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter… LET OTHER FOLKS KNOW THIS NEWS, THE MEDIA WON’T! Subject: RE: Issue of Passport? While I’ve little interest in getting in the middle of the Obama birth issue, Paul Hollrah over at FSM did so yesterday and believes the issue can be resolved by Obama answering one simple question: What passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi ? So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later? And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi , what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration? The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers. It makes the debate over Obama’s citizenship a rather short and simple one. Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20? A : Yes, by his own admission. Q: What passport did he travel under? A: There are only three possibilities. 1) He traveled with a U.S. … Passport, 2) He traveled with a British passport, or 3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport. Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981? A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. . State Department’s “no travel” list in 1981. Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport. If he were traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims.. And if he were traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967. Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a “natural born” American citizen between 1981 and 2008. Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better. If you Don’t care that Your President is not a natural born Citizen and in Violation of the Constitution, then Delete this, and then lower your American Flag to half-staff, because the U.S. Constitution is already on life-support, and won’t survive much longer. If you do care then Forward this to as many patriotic Americans as you can,because our country is being looted and ransacked!

Evil 1

@Amvet Where did you get this info? I would like to look at it. Not that I don’t believe you, I just like to cover my bases.

SheilaAnn

@Amvet I think since he is proven not to be an eligible candidate, the election will go to Romney as the prophet first said it would……..

DonNeal

just as in Nam stop talking start shooting

TonySantucci

It seems with every passing day we are comming into the end times that are mention in the bible. The day is comming upon us when evil is good and good is evil. Obama may try to forget 9/11 and act like it never happen but for the remaing families they know thw truth that their love ones were killed by the most ungodly people that could ever exist on the earth. Islam is not a religion of peace it is a religion of death and destruction. The reason I say this about islam is a house deivided can not stand. How can islam say from one group it is a religion of peace and yet many others of islam killl in the name of their god. Untill we can have our leaders in America own up to the truth islam is out to destroy all that America represents.

LARRY NIEMAN

@TonySantucci YOU ARE RIGHT, THESE ARE THE END DAYS, I BELEIVE THAT ”IRAN” IS THE ANTI-CHRIST. AND OBAMA WILL BACK IRAN WHEN THE S*(H*^I$%T(&, HITS THE FAN, ”OBAMA IS AN ATHEIST, AND HE IS THE CAUSE OF THE FLAG BEING REMOVED FROM PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND GOD BEING TAKEN OUT OF EVERYTHING, BUT YOU CAN STUDY THE ”KORAN” THIS IS A MESS. thank you and GOD BLESS YOU ALL, LARRY , at [email protected]

OBAMA HAS PLACED HIS MUSLIM BROTHERS IN SPACIFIC PLACES IN OUR GOVERNMENT TO HELP HIM WITH HIS DICTATORSHIP, SO IF CONGRES WILL NIT DO WHAT HE SUGEST, THEN HE WILL USE THE EXECUTIVE ORDER TO DO WHATEVER HE WANTS TO DO, OBAMA IS A DICTATOR, ”WE THE PEOPLE” HAVE TO ”IMPEACH HIM” NOW. please go join the TEA PARTY MOVEMENT in your area, or on the internet, it is FREE, and then you will get up-dates on what is going on in our GOVERNMENT. thank you , LARRY NIEMAN ,,at [email protected]

WayneAcree

Another asinine move by our great President!!! We have Moe as President,Larry as our vice and Curly as our Majority Speaker of the Senate.

They try this kind of trash on the military because they can ORDER THEM TO DO IT and the American public is not far behind. The next thing that RESIDENT Obama will do is order the military to carry around prayer rugs and say Islamic prayers over every terrorist they kill, then they won’t be allowed to kill them at all. When is this sorry SOB going to learn that you can’t be nice and sweet to these sorry scum people, the only thing these PERVERTS understand is hate and that’s FACT.

Burke02

Congress doesn’t control our troop movements, NATO under authorization of the UN controls our troop movement. Benghazi should have taught us this. Libya was a UN authorized, NATO lead “humanitarian” operation. There will be no consequences meted out for the 4 dead Americans and those injured in Benghazi. It’s time to bring our troops home and vanquish the UN and NATO. Better yet, drive a stake through the heart…

KMacGillemhoire

I don’t believe this website. I don’t believe the story, and I don’t believe the comments that are added here. Who are you people??? Hateful or scared, it doesn’t call for the comments you make. You are DEFINITELY not Christian. And more unAmerican than you will ever be able to try to pin on the “other side”.

Signing off now. Won’t read any replies to my comment.

JerryRobison

@KMacGillemhoire ‘There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know.’

elki

Most unAmerican person is sitting in the white house. He has not proved his legitimacy, as a citizen of this nation, or eligibility for the office. He is certainly not a Christian. And in his acceptance speech he said most of us have Muslim family. That is not true. It is true in Saudi, Egypt, Syria, etc.

remesquaddie

@KMacGillemhoire Since you do not believe the web site, the comments or the story, WHY do you care? Go hide in your mum’s basement .

Burke02

@KMacGillemhoire Chicken

Talibankiller

@KMacGillemhoire KMAC, It really would not bother me personally if you don’t read any comment that is directed towards what you have to say, my question is, if you do not believe what you read, why comment, and say the things you say? I believe you comment, because you want to get it out of your sinful nature, and hear what other say about your comment. I also believe that you are an msnbc plant, that love’s to say things against comment’s that irtate your sinful nature, so you say the things you do in order to 1st/ To attempt to make those who wrote what they did feel bad, and 2nd/ your sinful nature loves to hurt other, but I might as well point this out to you, Nobody care’s what you think, nor what you say, just like, it would not bother any one who read what I have to say, so if you really don’t like the comments in the future or they hurt your sinful man, don’t respond, there that should be easy enough for you. Oh, by the way, if you want to respond back, go ahead, get offended and let your defence arise, I will be waiting to hear back, but will not hold my breath doing so, God Bless you, Mr. Christian.

wodrp

@KMacGillemhoire While OUR thoughts may not be Christian, they are human. Are you afraid to face other posters and defend your rant? At least, tell me why you feel I don’t have a right to make comments but, you have the right to deride me in your comment.

KMacGillemhoire

@wodrp I just didn’t want to waste your time. VERY patriotic photo by the way. That must make you right. You have every right to makes comments. I am not afraid to face other posters. The Bible says: PRAY FOR your enemies. I think AMAZING things could happen if the vitriol and HATE would stop and prayers resounded for those you decry. AMAZING, Godly things.

Here, I’ll start: Dear God, please bless those who would hurt us. Please heap blessings upon those that bloggers here and it would seem everywhere in this country today curse. It does us no good to love those who love us and not our enemies. Our enemies do not know you and therefore do things in ignorance. Please reach out and touch the souls of those who call themselves Mulsim and do bad things to fellow human beings based on their knowledge of Islam and their purported love of Muhammed and the Koran. Thank you. In Jesus’ name I pray.

God bless.

SheilaAnn

@KMacGillemhoire Afraid to hear the truth. We are definitely Christian. I pray every day for God to have mercy and remove Obama and all associated with him. See, I am praying about my president. There are too many true Christians in this country not to have Obama removed and more than enough good reasons to do so..Christians know they are in a war at all times. We do not turn away and let the devil win..The devil is in a suit in the white house now…He has to go….

Raymond123

A Christmas Story (Please read all the way to the end) A brother and sister had made their usual hurried, obligatory pre-Christmas visit to the little farm where dwelt their elderly parents with their small herd of horses. The farm was where they had grown up and had been named Lone Pine Farm because of the huge pine, which topped the hill behind the farm. Through the years the tree had become a talisman to the old man and his wife, and a landmark in the countryside. The young siblings had fond memories of their childhood here, but the city hustle and bustle added more excitement to their lives, and called them away to a different life. The old folks no longer showed their horses, for the years had taken their toll, and getting out to the barn on those frosty mornings was getting harder, but it gave them a reason to get up in the mornings and a reason to live. They sold a few foals each year, and the horses were their reason for joy in the morning and contentment at day’s end. Angry, as they prepared to leave, the young couple confronted the old folks “Why do you not at least dispose of ‘The Old One’. She is no longer of use to you. It’s been years since you’ve had foals from her. You should cut corners and save so you can have more for yourselves. How can this old worn out horse bring you anything but expense and work? Why do you keep her anyway?” The old man looked down at his worn boots, holes in the toes, scuffed at the barn floor and replied, ” Yes, I could use a pair of new boots”. His arm slid defensively about the Old One’s neck as he drew her near with gentle caressing he rubbed her softly behind her ears. He replied softly, “We keep her because of love. Nothing else, just love.” Baffled and irritated, the young folks wished the old man and his wife a Merry Christmas and headed back toward the city as darkness stole through the valley. The old couple shook their heads in sorrow that it had not been a happy visit. A tear fell upon their cheeks. How is it that these young folks do not understand the peace of the love that filled their hearts? So it was, that because of the unhappy leave-taking, no one noticed the insulation smoldering on the frayed wires in the old barn. None saw the first spark fall. None but the “Old One”. In a matter of minutes, the whole barn was ablaze and the hungry flames were licking at the loft full of hay. With a cry of horror and despair, the old man shouted to his wife to call for help as he raced to the barn to save their beloved horses. But the flames were roaring now, and the blazing heat drove him back. He sank sobbing to the ground, helpless before the fire’s fury. His wife back from calling for help cradled him in her arms, clinging to each other, they wept at their loss. By the time the fire department arrived, only smoking, glowing ruins were left, and the old man and his wife, exhausted from their grief, huddled together before the barn. They were speechless as they rose from the cold snow covered ground. They nodded thanks to the firemen as there was nothing anyone could do now. The old man turned to his wife, resting her white head upon his shoulders as his shaking old hands clumsily dried her tears with a frayed red bandana. Brokenly he whispered, “We have lost much, but God has spared our home on this eve of Christmas. Let us gather strength and climb the hill to the old pine where we have sought comfort in times of despair. We will look down upon our home and give thanks to God that it has been spared and pray for our beloved most precious gifts that have been taken from us. And so, he took her by the hand and slowly helped her up the snowy hill as he brushed aside his own tears with the back of his old and withered hand. The journey up the hill was hard for their old bodies in the steep snow. As they stepped over the little knoll at the crest of the hill, they paused to rest, looking up to the top of the hill the old couple gasped and fell to their knees in amazement at the incredible beauty before them. Seemingly, every glorious, brilliant star in the heavens was caught up in the glittering, snow-frosted branches of their beloved pine, and it was aglow with heavenly candles. And poised on its top most bough, a crystal crescent moon glistened like spun glass. Never had a mere mortal created a Christmas tree such as this. They were breathless as the old man held his wife tighter in his arms. Suddenly, the old man gave a cry of wonder and incredible joy. Amazed and mystified, he took his wife by the hand and pulled her forward. There, beneath the tree, in resplendent glory, a mist hovering over and glowing in the darkness was their Christmas gift. Shadows glistening in the night light. Bedded down about the “Old one” close to the trunk of the tree, was the entire herd, safe. At the first hint of smoke, she had pushed the door ajar with her muzzle and had led the horses through it. Slowly and with great dignity, never looking back, she had led them up the hill, stepping cautiously through the snow. The foals were frightened and dashed about. The skittish yearlings looked back at the crackling, hungry flames, and tucked their tails under them as they licked their lips and hopped like rabbits. The mares that were in foal with a new year’s crop of babies, pressed uneasily against the “Old One” as she moved calmly up the hill and to safety beneath the pine. And now she lay among them and gazed at the faces of the old man and his wife. Those she loved she had not disappointed. Her body was brittle with years, tired from the climb, but the golden eyes were filled with devotion as she offered her gift– Because of love. Only Because of love. Tears flowed as the old couple shouted their praise and joy… And again the peace of love filled their hearts. This is a true story. Willy Eagle

Muslims want us gone, they will continue to invade our country until Mohammed is the most popular boys name in the United States. The apologists who are the left, and the Obama administration need to go. Make no mistake, the left hates the Constitution and patriots, this is just another in a long list of attacks by the Obama administration against freedom loving Americans. It is time to water the tree of liberty. Lock and Load.

Burke02

@ericholdershouldbeinjail The globalists hate the Constitution, you know, nearly everyone in Washington. They are not Americans, and I’d even go so far as to call them inhuman. Time to take back our government and clean it out.

CaptTurbo

Don’t offend them, just shoot ‘em.

The Duck

Well I disagree somewhat with this article. It is just common sense to avoid topic that would inflame the enemy in this war. The way it is being conducted is a shame on us. We place our fighting men and women in harms way and then have them train and fight alongside radicles and expect them to be safe? That’s BS from the word get go. But if they must be in close proxsimety to the enmeny and stand guard duty with them, Then yes for safety avoid inflaming these radicles or die. We should not be placing our fighting forces in such a position at all. The enemy is Islam make not mistake about that. So a book that delinates how to avoid being killed by an Isamic is best to publish and follow in this war of atrition.

elki

Can you exsplain the incongruancy of placing a Muslim man as our president when we are at war with a Muslim nation? What allegiance do you expect from such a man.?

The Duck

@elkiExactly elki. That has become one of the worst isues in my entire life. I voted for his retirement this past eletion but was out voted. With a congress that refuses to face the fact this POTUS should be impeached, we are in a losing fight. This is not the America I grew up in.

MSGT JOHN CORREA

For your information, we Americans never instigated hatred towards Islam fanatics. Let’s see just how much you can remember about the hatred directed at the Americans.

1. In 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by Muhammad’s Devout Muslim male Extremist. 2. In 1972 at the Munich Olypics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by Muhammad’s Devout Muslim male extremists. 3. In 1979 the U.S. Embassy in Iran was taken over by Muhammad’s Devout Musl;im male extremists. 4. During the 1980’s a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by Muhammad’s Devout male Muslim extremists. 5. In 1983 thye U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by Muhammad’s Devout Muslim male extremists. 6. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by Muhammad’s Devout Muslim male extremists. 7. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a U. S. Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by Muhammad’s Devout Muslim male extremists. 8. In 1988 Pam Am Flight 103 was bombed by Muhammad’s Devout Muslim male extremists. 9. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by Muhammad’s Devout Muslim male extremists. 10. In 1998 the U.S. Embassies in Kenya [Obama II’s birth place] and Tanzania were bombed by Muhammad’s Devout Muslim male extremists. 11. On 9/11/01 for airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take down the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the U.S. Pentagon, and the other was diverted and crashed by herotic American passengers. Thousands were killed by Muhammad’s Devout Muslim male exptermists and many Americans were asked to turn the other cheek. I promise you I won’t!!! 12. In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against Muhammad’s Devout Muslim male extremists, and rightly so. 13. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by–you guessed it–Muhammad’s Devout Muslim male extremists. 14. Let’s not forget about 14 innocent Americans that were killed at Fort Hood by Muhammad’s Devout Muslim.

What does the above murders against Americans tell you? If I were in combat and a rediculous rule book came down telling me to be polite to Muslim Islam fanatics, I would use the pages of that regulations book as toilet paper. When I’m in a war zone, I’m there to kill and not be polite about individuals I might offend in regards to their culture.

MSGT JOHN CORREA USAF (RET)

BobbiHenderson

@MSGT JOHN CORREA MSGT Correa ~ I am one who has always been in awe of our military. I am very patriotic and love my country…. Thirteen years as a military wife during Vietnam at least earns me a point of view. I am sorry that you took my post out of context. I was merely making a statement and as far as I know I still do have that right and should be able to express myself without being verbally approached.

Now let me say that I want to thank you for your service to our great country. I realize it is because of you and those like you that we are even able to have this conversation today. I was not meaning that I agreed with the new regulations….but merely making my own point. I would hope that all service people still put their best foot forward and make an impressive impression…because it is a reflection of what America stands for. I have never known a military Officer or other who did not act like a gentleman….and sure hope that things do not change. I love being proud of our great military.

Please allow me to quote you..”When I’m in a war zone, I’m there to kill and not be polite about individuals I might offend in regards to their culture.”……… I in no way intended my comment to have anything to do with the war zone. I sure hope that in a war zone every military person would be thinking exactly as you describe. I acknowledge you MSGT JOHN CORREA USAF(RET) Thank you and God Bless You!

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MSGT JOHN CORREA

Bobbi, my statement was never intended as being derogatory towards you or anyone else. My statement was solely intended as a reminder of the unprovoked terrorist attacks against Americans. Your patriotism was never in question I assure you. If I offended you in any way whatdoever, please accept my sincerest apology. Merry Christmas and may God bless you as well.

Your Honorable Conservative American Patriotic Warrior.

MSGT JOHN CORREA USAF (RET)

KeithCP

They should shoot the pig fathered ragheads instead.

dntmkmecomoverther

…and I suppose that shooting them if they are found planting an IED, that’s somehow not allowed since that would engage them incorrectly?…Someone please give us our country back, and let our military do what it is made to do: Kill people and break things.

J Joy

To know what will offend an enemy and to intentionally proceed with offending them is a problem. However, since we also know that the Muslim communities are extremely intolerant of being offended and go the extra mile to kill anyone who doesn’t accept their religion, our soldiers are already in a dangerous situation. They need to practice good judgement while keeping themselves safe. On the other hand, frequently, actions of Muslims are offensive to us and we are just supposed to stand there and take it???

MSGT JOHN CORREA

When the Muslims demanded that their Shariah Law be the “Law of the Land” in Australia, then, Prime Minister Kevin Rudd of Australia simply told them to … GET OUT! When the Prime Minister suggested the mosque be placed under surveillance…. the Muslims in Australia were offended. Gee… that’s tough. This was Prime Minister Kevin Rudd’s message to the Muslims…. “Immigrants, not Australians must adapt. Take it or leave it! I am sick and tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attack on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians. This our country, our land, and our lifestyle, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaning, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you to take advantage of one other great Australian Freedom…. ‘The Right To Leave!”

Never forget that America is a Judeo-Christian nation since its birth, and not a Muslim nation.

MERRY CHRISTMAS AND GOD BLESS AMERICA!

MSGT JOHN CORREA USAF (RET)

wodrp

@MSGT JOHN CORREA MSGT. Correa,

Thank you for your posts. It’s too bad the US won’t adopt the Australian attitude.

J Joy

@MSGT JOHN CORREA I am frustrated, embarrassed and angry that our President doesn’t have the guts to make such statements or decisions for America. I wish I could be proud of my President for standing up for our country and its beliefs but I can’t because he doesn’t stand up for anything!! Muslims, atheists and anyone else who doesn’t like our country or thinks they have the right to change it has every right to leave. I really appreciate the Australian Prime Minister’s attitude and wish our President would adopt it.

MSGT JOHN CORREA

J Joy, you must realize that Mr. Barack Hussein Obama II is not an American citizen of the United States of America or its territories. Mr. Barack Hussein Obama II was born in Kenya, Africa, and later, he became a citizen of Indonesia where he attended Islam school. Mr. Obama II is a Muslim communist. Soon after Barack Hussein Obama II was born, his mother made the arrangement to falsely announce Barack’s birth in Hawaii’s local newspapers directly from Kenya, Africa. And as a matter of record, there is absolutely no record of Barack Hussein Obama II’s mother ever being admitted to any hospital within the State of Hawaii.

Mr. Barack Hussein Obama II is being protected by the communist controlled news medias as well as American communists in the controlled U.S. Senate House. There are at least 85 American communists sitting in the U.S. Senate House with Senator Harry Reid as their leader.

MSGT JOHN CORREA USAF (RET)

all american

Screw the commander and chief the biggest muslim terrorist of them all!! Soldiers do not be affraid, if your commander and chief has to seal his birth certificates by executive order and then maked false ones. He is not fit to lead!! Your job as soldiers is to take orders but yes, Soldiers your fighting the very fabric of Tyranny and we the veterans can be your voice because we dont give a shit about the stupid president and the idiots in government seats of power for what they stands for: “Domestic Terrorists”. Soldiers you have power and insight. Let us be your voice! Lets us carry the battle for you to the idiots in charge. Guess what when a whole mass of you stand up for what you believe and ask to be tried to court martial and there is enough of you, people listen! I know Ive been there. Some of your biggest leaders stood up and they lost because you failed soldiers to back them up! You failed because you let a fallen soldier fall to the hands of the bad guys. Guess what, they will back down because if you get us veterans involved, we have your backs…and make sure you cover eachothers backs! You think the government gives a crap about you? They say they do, but does the enemy play by the rules? Sorry war is war and there are no rules to win a war. We win battles but how often do we win wars? Exactly, the government has no real power because the Republic, the people give the power and when the people figure out that we are in charge and not the idiots in the government because they represent us. Why do you think they make exceptions to amnesty to illegals and muslims because the people have the power. The more votes to cast who gets elected is no suprise to what they are doing. Diplomatic Deplomacy equals democracy. Solution, you want to make a change, get involved citizens!!!

wizard

But is it OK to offend Christians?

MSGT JOHN CORREA

Any human being that follows the idiotic religious law of Islam is a complete moron. Individuals that do follow this notorious religion of Islam do so without question. In fact, I don’t believe they have any knowledge of the founder of Islam, except that they follow this man-made religion of Muhammad blindly. What Muhammad produced in the Qur’an is simply a book of gibberish consisting of later evil verses superseding earlier peaceful verses. Islam is a caustic blend of paganism and twisted Bible stories. According to Muslim and former Muslim historians, Muhammad was a lone “prophet” who made no prophecies. He conceived his religion to satiate his lust for power, sex, and money. Muhammad was nothing more than a terrorist; all you have to do is read the history of Muhammad & Islam to learn the truth. According to their Qur’an, if you refuse to join their religion of Islam, you must die. Read their Qur’an for yourself…. it is frightening. To ask our men and women serving in the Armed Forces of the United States of America to look the other way…. it is WRONG! Instead of telling our men and women to ignore the evil of this fanaticism religion of Islam, educate them with the history and the terror of Muhammad & Islam.

Until such time that we engage Islam in a World War, and not solely mopping up terrorists here and there, we will not defeat them. War is the course of last resort, but you have to do it thoroughly, total committment, and you make it hurt so damn bad that the enemy loses their will. It will not be easy, nor pretty…it shouldn’t be. It will have to mean a scorched earth policy for them to stop their way of life, their way of thinking. And we don’t stop until they stop their violence against us. If this means there are no Muslims left, so be it. They can appeal to their leader Satan for his advice when they meet him.

leithel1

It will also eat us alive. The Democrats gave up God at the DNC. We who believe in God are told that we are judgmental if we say anything about what offends us. This gives the poll takers the impression that we are in favor of the leftist agenda. Damn folks get a backbone we are allowing ourselves to be pushed around by a Muslim communist burglar sitting in our White House. We have to quit lying to ourselves in the name of political correctness. Call a spade a spade, let the liberals know that we as humans are against murdering babies. Let them know that we don’t agree with same sex relationships. I can’t call it marriage because I don’t believe that it is marriage. Pedophiles should be shot and sodomize-rs as well. All spades.

101st Nam Grunt

Yes, Pigs pigs I say for all Islam. Let them eat pork.Why should we cater to the same people who blew up the Trade Center.

Tonto USA

I think if I was serving there in the sand box, I’d aggravate the hadjis just so I could shoot them and get away with it. Shouldn’t be difficult. I’d shoot a hadji just for looking at me too hard.

http://yahoo.com wyatt48

I am a retired Marine. It troubles me deeply that our country has come to this. This is another useless war because of what “A” politician and his cronies want. We don’t need another Vietnam war. If we are going to fight this war we need to fight it to win it instead of being Politically Correct. If we are just there to appease our enemies,what the hell are we doing there in the first place. Our military is trained to fight, not be PR reps. If it is another just for profit war it needs to stop now.

Matt the Knight

@wyatt48 Our ‘country’ has not come to this. The Obamaites selected, elected and continue to support this inept, sexually perverse occupier of the white house. Ironic is too light a word for the white-wash of his past, his birth records, his scholastic records, his documentable homosexual activities, and the protective intervention of the media. He’s held up to be our first black (aah,half-black) president and only in office because of the giagantic white wash he has received: his lies, his minions and those who are sucking the life out of the country. Wyatt, its time to reload, regroup and drive them out. I believe its ‘Once a Marine, always a Marine.’ Your determination, training and skill set are valuable in taking back the ground currently occupied by ‘the enemy’. The battle has been lost, not the war against those currently occupying the territory.

@wyatt48 You’re right about “Nam” Kissinger got rich on our blood. Stanley Karnow wrote a great book – Vietnam a History. The govt. is getting like a lot of Unions I was forced to belong to…..they did more TO me than they did FOR me!

http://lastresistance.com/ Mathchopper

That’s easy. Shoot first – talk afterward.

farley

TOTAL BS!

NoDemThugs

Obama’s agenda is spelled out clearly in his own books, as explained so well in “2016:Obama’s America” by Dinesh Dsouza. This shouldn’t be a mystery to anybody. Everything that is happening that seems so anti-American is exactly that, just as Obama has orchestrated. We had better wake up and start taking action.

Hcklbery

I served my Country and was proud to do so for love’s sake alone for her BUT I WOULD NEVER DO SO AS SHE IS TODAY.

BobbiHenderson

This is a bit of a surprise for me!!!!!…However, I do think we as Americans should always put our best foot forward in representing our country. Especially when dealing with the civilians while in another country. But,. also I feel that our service men and women need to know always that we have their back and support them them with all the resources and good wishes necessary to do the job and win. I am sure it would be difficult to be fighting for a country if you did not know that they were behind you in every way.

wodrp

@BobbiHenderson BobbiHenderson,

Maybe we should put our best foot forward but, not to the point that we cannot discuss pertinent subjects. Why should we NOT be allowed to discuss those subjects. Do YOU want us to lose more of our rights than we already have?

BobbiHenderson

@wodrp I certainly do not want to loose any of my rights and I don’t want you to either! My post in no way suggests that was my intention… And I cannot see why you would get that impression. Granted I do try to see things in the best light. Hey I did not write the regulations! If you are unhappy about them….why not tell someone who can answer these questions.. Make you voice heard… But, .America just voted for change and these new regs may be a part of that change. So…you already know the answer to why certain subjects are going to be taboo

Mortuary5

@BobbiHenderson There a bunch of us left in this country whose toes are getting tired of the Govt. tromping on our toes while they’re stretching tape across our mouths!

BobbiHenderson

.Mortuary5~ I understand! ~Its scary!

BobbiHenderson

@Mortuary5 Hey, I understand! ~ It’s scary!

Eric

Do you not understand that there are no Muslim “civilians”? Do you not understand jihad? Jihad is not only about the method of armed conflict. Jihad also involves pressure of all sorts, legal, poliitical, and cultural, that works synergistically with military/terror. The end of jihad is Sharia, dhimmitude, and death for those against Islam. All Muslims are responsible for jihad, not only the ones with guns. That is why it is treasonous to hinder, outlaw, or in any way be against speaking the truth about Muslims.

MikePatton

Captain Kenya want’s our troops to do what, where to who? What in the world are we doing there? Mr. Kenya needs to thank his lucky stars he’s still in office. How much longer will America stand for this type of behavioral attitude from the commander in chief “Captain Kenya” ? WAKE UP AMERICA As a former Marine 1968-1970 now 100% disabled from Viet Nam we were taught to Kill them all and let GOD sort them out in combat, not KISS THEIR ASS and say were sorry were here. Mike Patton USMC 1968-1970 2nd Batt. 1st. Mar. Div.

whirlwinder

Our Muslim-in-Chief is not trying to appease anybody. He is busily setting up shariah law for us to follow here in America. Truth is always a defense for slander here in America under our Rule of Law. In Islam, slander is anything one might say that would offend a Muslim. You tell me which system you would rather have-Our Rule of Law or Islamic shariah.

Duh? I think it was intended to NOT offend our radical islamist President who, coincidentally, is homosexual but has not come out of the closet. Further, once we learn just who and what Barack Obama really is most Americans, even left-win idiots, will be shocked. There simply is no getting around what Barack Obama really is. He is a Muslim terrorist who happens to be homosexual passing himself off as an American citizen (which he is NOT) and passing his marriage (which is an “arrangement” with a grossly angry black woman) and his background who (God only knows where he came from and how many skeletons are in his many closets). This is just a dollop of icing on the cake made of animal feces from the brain of the screwed-up Obama in chief.

LARRY NIEMAN

@MartiSettle i know more about OBAMA than he does, he has 5 social security numbers, three aliases, and he was born or hatched in kenya, and his father was from kenya, he is nothing but a fraud, we are headed for a civil war or a rebellion, thank you and GOD BLESS YOU, LARRY

NavyJR

@LARRY NIEMAN There is SOOO much more to all this; O has some 80 known fraudulent SSN’s that he’s used over the years. He was born in Kenya but his last known citizenship is Indonesian, his father was a bigamist when “married” to his mother, so you know what that makes him, I’m sure. He IS a dictator; but think of him as a “major” or maybe light colonel; he’s NOT the CG by a LONG stretch! And we are headed for war, civil and global both in the very near future, I suspect strongly!

Ray2

How about them offend, killing, raping, torturing, bombing and violating our beliefs? Thanks white house and obama and cohorts! I hope you get coal in your christmas stocking – oh no, there is no more coal mining!

DelbertGue

No need to offend them with words or comments, just shoot and kill them!

CitizenofAmerica

NOBAMA and his EVIL Horde in Washington are tearing our country apart by taking away our country one Executive Order at a time. The US Attorney General has broken the law and continues to do so calling Americans who have served their country “Potential Domestic Terrorist”! Calling the Fort Hood shooting “Work Place Violence” when it was a ISLAMIST JIHADIST serving in the US ARMY who with Pre-meditation killed and wounded Real Americans. Stop being Politically Correct and BE AMERICAN! If you see a THREAT, take it out! NOBAMA had his last 3 gay lovers assinated 2 weeks prior to his announcing he was running for President. Ther is nothing he will not do to see America Change for the WORSE!

NavyJR

@FormerLadyLaw: I’m mixed about Lincoln; in “saving” the union, he in fact defied and damaged the Constitution, opening the door for the incorporation of DC, and the consolidation of power there! Even though he didn’t actually DO that, he set the stage for it. And we’re now paying the price for it. But he had no right to refuse the states who seceded that action. The Bill of Rights, which includes that right, was necessary to get the Constitution ratified at all, because several of the states refused to do so without that right to withdraw in the future being included!

paynegil

Total nonsense, having to pacify an enemy that would just as well cut your head off. We’re at war with the jahdist killers and we should call a spade a spade. In the meantime, Islamist want to come to our country and be treated special and suppress our freedom of speech. It does not work like that in a Democracy. No big surprise were this military directive is coming from. Our soldiers are pawns in the eyes of Obama and his progressives.

SheilaAnn

@paynegil Absolutely right. We have to get the idiot in chief out of office and quickly….I am afraid it is long past time to rise up against the smug, self adulating beast, little black sambo, fool.

minorities run everything

It could have been done on december 10th. using the 10th ammendment. If 1/3 of the states electorates didn’t submit the states votes for the president. There would have been the opportunity for congress to vote in a new leader. Sounds amazing but true.

Greg137

Islam is advocating pedophilia? And the Islamists wonder where Homosexuals come from…. Most Gays are the brain-damaged result of pedophilia!

OnePeacefulWorld for all

They called for Jihad on us… Time for the Crusades to mount one again…

necrmonger

@OnePeacefulWorld for all hmmmm! is that how you arrive at ‘OnePeacefullWorldfor all’….?

paxcat

And, what does the military do about “don’t ask, don’t tell” policies and their soldier’s offensive acts toward Islam even if it is now allowed in the military? Seems they are in between a rock and hard place to me!

SheilaAnn

That is taking away our freedom of speech and beginning with the military…We should let them kill our young or older men and say nice about them??? I do not think so. They are the enemy and let’s offend them every chance we get. America gives us the freedom to do that…

LARRY NIEMAN

@SheilaAnn OBAMA is the enemy, LARRY

redley62

@SheilaAnn I totally agree with you. I usually don’t go out of my way to say something negative about Muslims, but when the opportunity arises for me to explain how I feel about the Islam ideology, then I am not swayed from saying so.

thespaff

Are you kidding, these a—-h—-s are trying to kill us and we’re suppose to not offend them.Like I said before we’ve become a nation of MORONS. Sounds like a true liberal aggenda to me.

dollarbill

Well I am a veteran but I am not currently in the armed forces and its my total belief that Islam is related to the feral Hogs that are infesting the Southern States and these people and their saint Mohamed should be eradicated.

LARRY NIEMAN

@dollarbill yes sir, you are right, THEIR ARE LITERALLY THOUSANDS OF MOSQUE IN THE UNITED STATES, AND THEIR LEADER IS IN OUR WHITE HOUSE, AND THEY ALL MUST BE ERADICATED, thank you and GOD BLESS YOU, LARRY

thespaff

@dollarbill Little extreme but maybe necessary

PhilMccaskill

TO support this kind of obama garbage, is really the pits. I”m glad im not still not in the army, I would do the same thing i’m doing now. I go to walmart and otrer stores and shout “MERRY CHRISTMAS AND GOD BLESS AMERICA” i WILL NEVER BOW TO THE ANTI-CHRIST TEACHING OF THE KORAN.. (GOD BLESS AMERICA) Don’t be afraid to post this , i’m an AMERICAN.

LARRY NIEMAN

@PhilMccaskill PHIL, i have an AMERICAN FLAG on the rear window of my PT CRUISER that says LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT. AND UNDER IT, IT SAYS ,,”THIS IS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, WE SPEAK ENGLISH” yes i am from orlando fl.

ConnieStanson

@PhilMccaskill I feel the same way. I will only bow to GOD Our Father. I will forever Stand by and For HIM. We need allot of prayers to get our Country back.

PghVince

FLUSH every mu-slime on the face of the earth and dump ALL garbage in mecca!!!! The end of mohammerhoid and islam!! WHY is that ugly busterd son of an ugly white-trash ho still breathing??

Brad S

Our military personell are ORDERED to not talk about those topics???

Let me get this straight, in the new military it’s O.K. to engage in homosexual conduct, but it’s against the law to talk about it? How sick & twisted is that???

Good grief! Why would any person with their head screwed on straight want to join today’s military?

When I enlisted, part of the oath I took was to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domnestic.

The last time I checked “freedom of speech” was part of that Constitution.

B 1/7 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69-70 Semper Fi

ConnieStanson

@Brad S It still is. Don’t let them tell you any different. I am a woman of GOD and I will stand by GOD and For GOD with my life. I will never bow to anyone but Our LORD and Savior.

minorities run everything

Yeah, he’s working on changing the Constitution. In 2008 he said he wanted to change the national anthum to “a happy tune like I’d like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony”. He’s probably trying to pass the through too. I don’t know how any american could vote for him after hearing that come out of his mouth Repub. or Dem.

big koala

@Brad S The US Constitution applies only within the borders of the USA, not in Afghanistan. American citizens have to obey local laws, wherever they are. In any case, it;s not a good idea to insult people in countries where we are GUESTS.

mperkins2

This President has done nothing but support these terrorist since he has been in office. The worst thing of all they have the enemy (not just the president) working right in the White House. They are members of the muslim brotherhood who have forced changes in our military manuals before. It is time to remove these imposters andget some real Americans with American principle’s. This and other problems facing America is the direct cause of the wishy washy politicans that now corrupt our great nations once honored halls of government.

JohnBirckhead

Appease. These are uncivilized a form of human beings. Shoot gthem and then piss on them. These are the SOB’s who killed almost 3000k Americans and we are to appease the. Let him appease them The amewrican people don’t feel that way.

RobertLCraft

i dont inderstand this thing about offend the muslims.they dont mind offending us and killing our people.and the bad thing about it our government is letting them get by with it.its no wonder people dont want to join our military.i wish i didnt ever have to hear of a muslim.

ConnieStanson

@RobertLCraft GOD said in the End Times, HE would open our eyes. Guess what our eyes are opened.

JohnBirckhead

They are like rats in a society. They need extermination.

BippyBellito

Do Not call Muslims Names? granted they are sodomists, pedophiles, women beaters, and hygeniticly filthier than the pigs they consider “unclean”. Do Not Call them Names. If you are in a war zone, they are your enemy. A bullet is a much more humane solution.

DaHeat

Don’t offend Muslims, shoot them! Muslims are the lowest of low. Obama is a devout Black Muslim Communist, and criminal offender, among many other things. Our house needs cleaning!…

HowardPettyjohn

Obama and Hillary C. can tell me from now on that they think it better to appease the radicals but I know better. And they know better as well. Obama and Hillary C. have a totally different thought about peace with the radicals because when you are a radical yourself it takes on a totally different meaning. I’m still trying to figure out just how it works for them but haven’t made it yet. If you make camp just over the ridge from radicals that doesn’t mean you aren’t part of their camp, it just means you just appear different.

ConnieStanson

@HowardPettyjohn Maybe they are just that. Cowards. Maybe they have been paid to turn the other way. Isn’t that being a Turncoat.

HowardPettyjohn

Wellll..they are turncoats, yes, but can not show it openly. Cowards ? What they are doing don’t seem cowardly, to me at least. They are hard at whatever they are doing and doing their best to hide it but yet leave signs on the trails. No doubt that payment will happen, even better than now, but it could all backfire on them. But when that day comes and we finally know what is going on, we can all become Americans again.

Eric

@ConnieStanson @HowardPettyjohn I agree with Connie. They are cowards. They are afraid, physically, of Muslims. Refusing to insult them, suppressing the truth about their crimes, legitimizing the evil by treating it as matter-of-fact, is what you do to submit, like one dog who cowers in front of another, licking his paws and refusing to look him in the eye. However, Obama is a different case. He is one of them, and an anti-Western racist. Obama is waging jihad from the inside, but Hillary and the rest are simply afraid.

HowardPettyjohn

You and I agree about Obama. I also think he is just part of it, thus is not a coward. Hillary is a turncoat like Connie and I agreed, but I just can’t see her as a coward. I think she is digging for gold elsewhere and selling her soul to get it. That “elsewhere ” is the unknown to me. Do you really believe she is doing anything worthwhile being overseas all the time spending our money. She would like us to believe she is doing us well. Acts like she is but there aren’t any signs of advancement. Something is very wrong and it ain’t going to be pretty if and when we figure it out. So…I agree with the both of you pretty much.

bayman55

This could only have come from Obama and those under him go along with him instead of disagreeing with him. Cowards. To hell with the muslims. To hell with the islamists. The world would be better off without them. They are but brothers of pigs.

ConnieStanson

I am so fed up with this muslim leader wannabee in the Oval Office. Now they are trying to Brain Wash our Military. I hope they are on to what Obbe is up too. You know there comes a time in life when you must stop running from the aggressor, stand up for All that We believe in and face the giant. the way David did, with Courage. Have we lost are will to survive ? Do the weak believe that GOD will not be there with us. To help us in our greatest time of need !!!

necrmonger

@ConnieStanson Drank the GOP kool aid eh? I don’t care for the man but he’s no muslim nor wants to be he just wants all their oil!..David and Goliath is a Myth!…Folklore!

Eric

I think you are understanding in the wrong way when you say that “They (the Left) believe that it is our fault that we were attacked on 9/11; that it is our support of Israel and our actions in the Middle-East that stirred the hatred of radical Islamists. In essence, we are the provocateurs, and they are the victims.” It is not simply a matter of what they believe versus what we believe. It is a matter of the most fundamental emotions. For the white Left, their dominant emotion is fear. That is why they, perceiving a stronger and more barbaric power in the Muslims, side with them. The white Left is bringing about the destruction of the West by submission to the Muslims because they cleave to power and have no sense of identity or loyalty. Their gleeful sacrifice of the West in order to obey and submit to a brutal master is their natural impulse. So, I say, it is not a matter of belief, but of will.

necrmonger

Eric we should have simply kept out of everyone else’s business..during WWII when the allies were in North Africa those people were more than nice to us..they hated the germans except for one nomadic tribe!! who helped the Nazis for money!

necrmonger

IT’s a complex combination of things..we want desperately to control what they have..we put in puppet leaders,such as in Iran..we backed Isreal in their takeover of the palestineans why? ..we pay peop[le under the guise of aid..but w/ that aid comes the rules!..their are left and right who see this for what it is,,then we have religion which must get involved and their fundamentalists .I lived in Cairo twice in my youth I had Muslim friends Our mom was an Egyptologist and worked w/ Muslims..Our father worked w/numerous US and British Embassys and also worked w/ many a Muslim..we learned a great deal of history from both there and living in other countries….you might want to look into our sordid history as well..our propaghanda was far more intense than the Soviet Unions..fundamentalists will be in all societies I see a good number right here on this forum!!

JuneGagnon

Absolutely, do NOT offend them; simply “eliminate” them – -that will solve the entire problem!

JIMDALE

WHAT DO YOU N EED TO ELIMINATE THEM WITH

AppraisHer

@JIMDALE We already have all we need to eliminate them, but they’re under orders to appease them. See article above and re-read.

JIMDALE

SOUNDS LIKE IN VETNAM CAN’T SHOOT TILL SHOT AT.WHAT GOOD IS OUR MILTARY IF WHEN THEY SEE A THREAT THEY CAN’T ELEMATE IT.

Don39

@JIMDALE I was over two years in combat in VN and never heard any such nonsense about not firing until fIred at.

necrmonger

@JIMDALE Never heard that one and I was all over in-country for a straight 49 months..w/ a coupla two week leaves I spent w/ a lady in Thailand!!..

rebel5871

@JIMDALE just let our Air Force fly over their with b 52’s b1’s and any other large bomber and just waste their country from 30,000 feet. drop every bomb we have on them. end of problem and no more American lives lost. forget the PC chit.

bmg28

Great idea rebel 5871 I agree with you 100% All countries that believe only in killing should be removed from this earth

rebel5871

@bmg28 if we had been allowed to do that it Vietnam. 50,000 plus of our Americans would not have had to pay the price. a Vietnam Veteran 68 to 70. U.S. Navy 68 to 74. William

big koala

@rebel5871 @JIMDALE You seem to forget that the Pakistanis have nuclear missiles and the Iranians are close to getting them. The Saudis can probably buy them on the open market. These are human beings, as you are, and don’t like being insulted or threatened. We had better learn to live with the people we share this planet with, since we are no longer in the drivers seat for all world events.

Another Verteran

@rebel5871 @JIMDALE Exactly, they fear nothing but brute force and power and we could save a LOT of money and lives if we’d just use airpower and bomb and avoided world opinion. World opinion is what is going to cost both American and Israeli lives.

Another Verteran

@big koala @rebel5871 @JIMDALE Sorry, one cannot live with radicals who want to convert the world or cut their heads off. They will not reason nor will they listen to other cultures. They basically live as they did centuries ago and most are illiterate and know only what they are told.

NavyJR

@rebel5871 @JIMDALE Carpet bombing worked in WWII, and in Vietnam; although the politicians screwed THAT up entirely, and would work there too.

necrmonger

@NavyJR@JIMDALE Oh yes that’ll work!..lets carpet bomb all countries w/ muslims ..collateral damage of other ‘innocents’ is acceptable!..you were in the service but never saw the blood, guts and body parts as they were blown apart!!..better Idea..why don’t we keep our big noses out of everyone’s friggin’ business..if muslims come here we tell them Sharia law is against our laws accept this or leave!!..the problems w/ all this is us>! we have no cast in stone rules of the road,,and btw English is this countries language!

ashman1

Boy, donl, you’ll have those camel scouts shaking in their sandals, won’t you? They won’t dare try our judicial system with their antiquated, outdated shariah crap.

necrmonger

@rebel5871 @JIMDALE and don’t forget the firecrackers too!..yep! the new American way lets just waist ‘em..Obamma’d love you!!/…idiot!

necrmonger

@bmg28 Guess we’ll be leaving Earth soon!

necrmonger

@rebel5871 Then essentially you’re saying we would have left and not had that war where I lost comrads!!

necrmonger

@ashman1 No! it’s called the law y’know there is no real justiced in this ciountry just laws ..but to get to my point things need to change that judge broke the law Sharia laws are against the law in this country..I looked it up found 3 verications..he belongs in jail along w/ that girls parent!..the one word you got right was antiquated but not in this!! btw AZ is a heavily Evangelical Christian conservative red state!!,,wha’ happen’d?

MelCardonell

seriously,with a straight face you lecture us on collateral damage,how many thousands of innocents have been killed or maimed in terrorist attacks around the world ,not even counting the death toll on 9-11. by the way had afghanistan and taliban handed bin laden over to us after 9-11 we never would have invaded that piece of crap country!

necrmonger

@Another Verteran Pray tell what do we owe Israel and why?…you know whom we catch stealing more of our top secret info?…Israellis!..and we’re friends? why?..do you have a clue?

paxcat

@MelCardonell Actually, if Bill Clinton had had the chutzpah to take out Bin Laden when we had him in our sights then, there might not have been a 9/11!!

necrmonger

@JIMDALE Pat Roberts!,,hell bore them to death!

big koala

Isn’t it a good idea to try to avoid offending people IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY? How many Americans have to get blown to pieces, before we treat natives with RESPECT that they deserve, IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY? In fact, MacArthur ordered US troops to conform to Japanese customs after WW2, during our occupation of Japan.. If we’d treated the Vietnamese with more respect IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY, perhaps we wouldn’t have lost 50,000 American boys there. Why is this such a difficult lesson for us to learn?[email protected]

dmttbt

@big koala I almost agree with everything you said, other than the Vietnam statement. The french were fighting on the south Vietnam side for about 50 years and finaly said adios and went home then we said, let us do it. We could have done it but we worry about collateral damage instead of wiping out entire sections of the country. We have Jane Fonda posing with the north vietnamese and some of our people thought she was a hero. That was really a war crime and she should be tried as a traitor. We were there to back up a corrupt leader of South Vietnam. When Nujan Van Thu ran for election after years of the United States support, he was unopposed, he put his opposition in jail. When he was trying to leave the country he couldn’t take all the gold he was taking on one plane. We should be ashamed of what we did and that nothing was done about it. I came back from Vietnam and there was only one person that called me a baby killer and she was a person that worked for VA counseling returning veterans. @

necrmonger

@dmttbt Vietnam was a French Colony.,.they were protecting mostly their rubber trees ,,not to say they weren’t somewhat corrupt as well..The rebel forces otherwise known as Vietcong were trying to get rid of a corrupt Gov, in addition to the French..then the NVA stepped in..we took over to fight communism ,,acquire the rubber plantations and support the corrupt S.Vietnam Gov, ..we basically provoked the reason to enter the country!!…I was there for quite awhile beginning in’64..working mostly under those guys wearing Aloha shirts!..learned quite a lot …

necrmonger

@big koala ..You’d think!..another good comment..I spent 49 months in the Vietnam war and treated them w/ respect..but then ones religion wasn’t the issue then, too many here have no idea why things are happening..it always seems to begin w/religious fundis! then goes nuts!,,but I could be wrong!…I think what’s happening now is a combination of things ..we should try keeping our faces out of their lives!..this has been going on long before 9/11

NavyJR

@big koala We didn’t GO to Afghanistan as GUESTS ; we WENT because they supported and sent a bunch of terrorists here to MURDER our civilians; and as COMBATANTS. So NO they DON’T deserve “respect” even in their own country. What McArthur did was AFTER hostilities had CEASED, not before!! And when you consider that those same people come HERE and have even LESS respect for our laws and customs on OUR soil, by WHAT right do you dictate that WE should respect THEM??? When I went to Paris as a GUEST, I did respect their customs and spoke their language, but that’s NOT the same situation; and unless you want to be worshiping ALLAH and living in Sharia, you might want to get a bit more aware of what’s going on here. AND there! The majority of Muslims not only DO NOT respect anyone else, they WILL NOT allow others to “live and let live”!

MSGT JOHN CORREA

Well stated NavyJR. ‘big koala’ says a lot without credentials to prove what he himself states. I’m inclined to believe that ‘big koala’ has never served in the Armed Forces of the United States, otherwise, he would have known that we are taught to respect the laws and customs of foreign countries as our actions reflects back at the United States of America.

MSGT JOHN CORREA USAF (RET) Nec Aspera Terrent

AppraisHer

Why do we even have a military if they are not allowed to defend us? This has nothing to do with ideology, this is collusion with the enemy. They attacked us, we went to war, the war became “hearts and minds” and now placation and submission. Instead of killing the enemy, we borrow money to give to them, our government illegally run them guns to kill us and we force demoralization on our military for doing their jobs. Since Nov 6th, I am ashamed to be an American.

SirJack74

Islam is of Satan, your prophet is a pedophile, and your Allah is a stone, deaf dumb and blind. “Obama the Benghazi butcher” Will not dictate to me what I can or cannot say at any time or anywhere.

You people do not seem to understand that when it comes to our freedom or your laws; what ever you write on paper is a waste of ink and paper; for we will keep our freedom’s and burn your paper.

ReaperHD

The #1 muslim terrorist problem we have in this country is the muslim terrorist in the WH. The occupier has an agenda to destroy this Country and the Constitution and enslave the people.

dmttbt

Let’s get this straight now! We can’t celebrate Christmas because it favors one religon over the others, we can’t have the nativity scene , We can’t have a cross or image there of because it is taken as a religous symbol, not on graves, not on memorials, not on anything. The capitolist system doesn’t work they say because it is what got us in this mess. People are capitolist and they make it work or not. It isn’t the system, it is the people. Usually the politicians. It worked well for many years, obama said that 6 trillion dollars in debt was totally unacceptable when he ran against Bush and after 4 years of obama the deficit is 16 trillion, and people say just look what all he has done. It has to be that new math because when you take a bad think and increase it by 267%, that is suppose to be good? For all the women that were worried about the republicans so called war on women, please take note of the new regulations. We can’t talk about women’s rights or taliban or things that offend the islam religon, and we can’t talk about pedaphils. (That word may be spelled incorrectly, but it is synonomous with Michael Jackson) How do these regulations suit you now? Is that better? @JuneGagnon

BippyBellito

Obama offends All Viet Nam Veterans by even considering John Kerry as Secretary of State. Kerry set the model for how to betray one’s country with lies, mistruths, and disgusting behavior. To nominate him is an affront to all who served during that time and had to endure the wrath of the Peace Movement who believed….and apparently still do….every lie that John Kerry told. He should have been hung for Treason years ago.

thomas stewart

@BippyBellito Right-On One Thing The US Military Hates Is A “Real-Turncoat” Front And Center John Kerry Now You Can Become A Member Of The “Pathological Liars-Club” Pres Barry Soetoro Needs Your BS!!! God Bless America And The Real Soldiers.

downenray

@BippyBellito I had forgotten why we don’t like Kerry. It was because of his actions in Vietnam, of course. You’re right. I shouldn’t have forgotten!

JLP5871

a new military handbook has been issued that orders soldiers to avoid engaging in topics that would offend radical Islamists. OBAMAS HANDS ARE ALL OVER THIS…..

obama Hates America

We can kill them, but dont go calling them any names.

necrmonger

@obama Hates America and Romney hates poor folk!

downenray

@donl51 That Obama hates the U.S.A. is proved by word and action. But that Romney hates poor folks is pure bunk. Why would any sensible person make such an absurd claim?

necrmonger

@downenray I tend to listen to them when they speak and how they speak..Obamba doesn’t like anyone telling him what he should do..like his own advisors!!…I listen/read on conservative blog sites as well other than this one..you’d be amazed at the ignorance!

obama Hates America

@ donl51. Your part of the problem. Making such a statement only helps to further obamas agenda by advancing the divide between the haves and the lazy.

necrmonger

@obama Hates America …that’s” you’re” part of the problem,..at least spell it right

thomas stewart

My Suggestion Would Be Put These Manuals In The Shit-House For Proper Use As Needed. God Bless America And Sherii Joe Arpaio.

PhilMccaskill

What we really need is, ALL true AMERICANS march on the white house, just like OBAMAS THUGS and uni-christ musslems do. we need to get rid of the devils koran and teach them how to read the true word……the BIBLE.

VictorBarney

@PhilMccaskill AGAIN, AS WRITTEN, WE GET PUNISHED FIRST, BUT BY THE TWO-WITNESSES OF REVELATION, CHAPTER 11, NOT OBAMA, who does NOT get destroyed until 3 1/2 DAYS AFTER “HE” has had these two-witnesses KILLED(Rev. 18:10)! Now, YOU SHOULD KNOW WHY THAT THIS “ANTI-CHRIST”(MARXIST) & “FORBIDDEN FOREIGNER”((ONLY NON-ANGLO-SAXON EVER TO RULE OVER ANGLO-SAXONS IN 6,000 YEARS(DEUTERONOMY 17:15) OF THEIR OWN ACCORD)) WAS PUT OVER U.S. BY OUR “WOMEN ALONE” HAD TO OCCUR! Just telling “YOU” because “YAHWEH,” NOW THROUGH HIS “ONLY” BEGOTTEN SON, “YAHSHUA,” DOES “NOTHING” WITHOUT “FIRST” WARNING HIS PEOPLE THROUGH HIS PROPHETS(AMOS 3:7). REMEMBER ALSO THAT I WILL REVEAL MY NAME TO MY PEOPLE(Isaiah 52:06), especially when I answer you the SECRET in HOW to TALK TO ME(Isa. 33:03). 1. HEBREW is the ONLY spiritually inspired language(Zeph. 3:9, Acts 26:14, 1 Cor. 4:6) AND KNOW THAT REPLACING “YAHWEH” DID NOT HAPPEN IN THE ORGINAL GREEK COPIES, ONLY 400 YEARS LATER WAS “YAHWEH” REPLACED BY ‘KURIOUS,” the GREEK DEITY! It also is written that as John the Baptist & Yahshua, our “JEWISH” NOT GREEK, SAVIOR had to appear bearing witness to each other, again, YHWH does NOTHING W/O FIRST TELLING HIS PEOPLE, also as written above. I’M NOT A RACIST & REMEMBER, SIMON, THE CANAANITE IN MARK 3:18! WHAT IS, IS! Again, just saying what’s written… Therefore: WATCH!

vinagaroon

@VictorBarney @PhilMccaskill Huh?

necrmonger

@PhilMccaskill Well that would be the Indians ! where would you fit in exactly

ThomasCreamer

Obama is a Coward, Traitor, and a Gay Lying SOB … he deserves the same fate as that of his fellow muslim pal Saddam Hussein … a Hangman’s Rope ! To hell with all Muslims … let them bathe in pigs blood and be fed nothing but pork !

VictorBarney

@ThomasCreamer Sorry, But the BOOK of “Revelation” of YAHSHUA(NOT JOHN) is what i believe & ONLY after we are PUNISHED FIRST by the two-witnesses of Revelation, chapter 11, leaving ONLY 144,000, 12,000 from each of the DESIGNATED(Rev. chapter 7) 12 tribes of Israel by the seed of Joseph(Gen. 48:16), but INCLUDING Judah, ONLY THEN will Islam be be punished! As noted in Revelation, particularly in Chapter 18, Islam IMMEDIATELY & TOTALLY GETS DESTROYED AT THE “RETURN” OF OUR JEWISH, NOT GREEK((SORRY ROME(Yeah, right!)) SAVIOR, YAHSHUA, MEANING IN HEBREW(i.e., the “ONLY” SPIRITUALLY INSPIRED LANGUAGE…ZEPH. 3:9, ACTS 26:14, 1 COR. 4:6)! WHEN? EXACTLY 3 1/2 DAYS AFTER the two-witnesses of revelation, chapter 11 have PUNISHED U.S. FIRST as indicated above, also as written(check out Rev. 18:10)! WATCH!

downenray

@VictorBarney It’s too bad you know things about Revelation that John didn’t know and that most students of the Bible don’t find there. Jehovah’s witnesses have peculiar ideas. I wrote and sold several thousand copies of a book, Revelation Unveiled, and it doesn’t say anything at all like you propose to have found in that writing.

necrmonger

@ThomasCreamer ,,Sayth Thomas the man of god!

necrmonger

@ThomasCreamer And you are what exactly ?..a nice guy?

vinagaroon

@ThomasCreamer Ha Ha, perfect.

necrmonger

@vinagaroon perfect what exactly?…stupidity?

downenray

@ThomasCreamer That you are not a Christian is obvious from what you say about our enemies. Jesus calls for us to love even our enemies, and you obviously do not love them. There are good Muslims as well as true Muslims who allow religious leaders to cause them to hate all unbelievers. Our response to the haters must be to reject their attacks. Our approach to good Muslims should be to encourage them to learn about love from Jesus and from our example of loving them. Obama is not a good Muslim. His liking for Islam is mixed with teaching from his Communist grandparents and other teachers along the way. He is an enemy of this nation any way you look at it.

necrmonger

@downenray And you love Muslims?

big koala

Perhaps the racist bigots on this site should keep in mind that the Pakistanis have nuclear missiles, and the Iranians are close to having them. Muslims are humans also, and don’t like being threatened or attacked, and are not helpless. The fantasies of the USA as all-powerful and top dog on earth may have been true at one time, but today are simple fairy tales for the simple minded. The world has become a lot more complex, and we have to recognize that we are no longer the rulers of the planet.

The Duck

@big koala The only way to get along with a Muslimis to give up your freedoms and live under the dictates of an Iman and Shari Law. Not me rather be dead.

necrmonger

@The Duck Yes Ducky that’s the only way..how about our keeping our noses out of everyones faces or not trying to tell them how to live..,lets give educating a try!..and enforce it here!!….there are fundamentalists in every religion and country!!..deal w/ it!!

downenray

@donl51 You imply that we should not recognize any difference between allies and enemies? A major problem now in the U.S.A. is that many of our enemies are our own citizens, with the chief enemy being our President.

Evermyrtle

@donl51 @The Duck If and when the country is taken over completely by liberals, just you remember the little peon liberals will not count anymore that we as Christian.

necrmonger

@big koala Nice intelligent comment!..unfortunately we’re headed for the big war but it’ll be over who controls the oil!..we’re beyond peak in fossil fuels ..we use the most and China falls right in after us,,within several years a barrel of oil will be up near 500 bucks!!,,and petrol is needed in a lot more than driving a car!…this will have little to do w/ religions getting along w/ religions!

Doubleace62

@donl51 @big koala Correct but it shouldn’t be. America has huge oil reserves, more than all of Saudi Arabia but our corrupt leaders will not allow us to access them. The governments of the world are using the oil to create situations favorable to their political persuasions. However the Islamic world want’s nothing more than to control the world with their Sharia law. I, for one would rather die, and will if it becomes necessary but I will not go down so easy.

http://yahoo.com/ Dragonslayer666

@Doubleace62 @donl51 @big koala Right you are! I won’t go down very easy either. Those fools live in the 12th century and I don’t care to join them!

necrmonger

@Doubleace62 I see you fell for that one too..a few of my best buddies are Geo-Scientists..ones still at it at 67 the others called it a day,,I’m a retired Col.Prof. and we talk about this all the time either over the web or person to person..America does not have the most oil in the world we do have shale oil or dirty oil which must go through a hardier process to be used as a petro chemical .. most of my friends are the same in Science, Chemistry, Economics ..like me….the best oil is straight black crude and yeah we still have some left. Penna. was once the crude oil capital of the world ,we drained it dry..then Arab oil was found and on etc,,Tex. Oklahoma,Alaska,,despite popular belief NJ has no oil..just cooking greace…to own all the oil this planet has is to own the world while having all you need and what has America become? The Empire of Earth..and that just ain’t sittin’ well w/ China..the 2nd largest user of oil on the planet!!…as for the Muslims yep they have their fundis..I’ve seen American christian fundi’s right here on this site…..It’s a very complex situation which I understand quite well but haven’t the stamina to write it all out!…I’m satan here anyway!..not by my choosing but I just don’t see eye to eye w/ a lot of what’s said here..and guess what liberal sites are damn near as bad…..anyway Global Climate Change..which I volunteer taught adults at local Community Col’s ..is going to end our problems!!..sooner than we think!!

NavyJR

@Doubleace62 @donl51 @big koala It’s the MONEY that the oil represents, in truth!!

necrmonger

@NavyJR No ! we have money its the oil! oil is in 75% of our lives from fertilizer to your palm pilot to your car to big Pharma!…and this country has to get it before it gets too expensive..you getting any of this JR??

NavyJR

@donl51 Not mine, sir, I don’t own a palm pilot, a car or fertilize anything. When I did garden, I used natural, like manure. As for big Pharma, I avoid those like the plague. So go take your lib greenie rant elsewhere!

necrmonger

@NavyJR do you eat? do you take aspirin? are you the only person on planet Earth?//take your far rightest overly paranoid attitude elsewhere!..you self-centered twit!

downenray

@Doubleace62 Double Ace, you’re right about the aims of Islam, but you would do better to name Obama rather than say our in-house enemies are “corrupt leaders.”

NavyJR

@donl51 WE don’t have money; and IF you ever come to understand how the Federal Reserve actually works, you’ll get that, but I’ll not be holding my breath.

necrmonger

@NavyJR Know how it works sport!!,,but do you?

Kissitgoodbye

@donl51 @NavyJR Don, The inability to disagree with someone else in a civil way makes you the twit. It’s what the left does when they cannot back their positions up with facts, because the facts go against them. Obfuscate by distracting and insulting anyone with an opposing viewpoint. It’s all you have. .

downenray

@donl51 Some folks are sure smart even if what they think they know is false. We have more oil on U.S.A. soil than all our enemies have from already-producing wells. Much of it is made untouchable by Obama, but it’s there and ready for our use. If we can get rid of Obama, we’ll soon be in a position to offer to sell oil and gas to other nations rather than having to buy it from our enemies. And there’s no getting along with Islam. Their approach to unbelievers is by terror and murder. Some of us think God knows more than their Allah does about loving enemies and being good neighbors.

Doubleace62

@big koala Who gives a crap. Muslims are not human they are animals. Anyone who would stone or allow their daughter to be stoned because she was raped by an uncle is an animal. If you think we are unable to defend ourselves against the animals of the mid east you my friend are sadly mistaken. Do not mistake Americans desire for peace as a weakness or you will learn the same lessons as Japan and Germany have learned. We are like a rattle snake we will flee trouble,but when you back us into a corner we will strike out with a vengence.

downenray

@Doubleace62 It would be good for us to realize that there are devout Muslims and there are other Muslims. The devout ones believe the myth that their goal in life should be to murder unbelievers and receive eternal rewards. But some Muslims do not believe the Koran’s rants and ravings. It is therefore not true as you state that all Muslims are animals. But any Muslim in this nation should swear loyalty to OUR constitution and expect to be killed if they do not keep the oath of allegiance.

vinagaroon

@big koala

NavyJR

@big koala Sir, that can only work IF its coming from both sides and as it’s not, its folly to believe it can work!

Shelby H

@big koala Since you have so much faith in these kind, gentle, peaceful, Muslims, I suggest you go over there with a few daisies, sing a few songs, and ask kindly that they “please” don’t harm us ANYMORE! Since when is it “human” to slaughter innocent women, children, old folks, and anyone that just happens to get into the way, just because they disagree? And that is within their own culture. They fly fully fueled airplanes into skyscrapers when the are pissed, and they don’t even know who they are killing, and don’t care. If you knew anything about that culture you would know that you cannot talk to them. They hate us, they are hell bent on destroying our civilization and our way of life, and nothing will stop them except brute force! If you disagree, then I suggest you go to Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Afghanistan, or Syria, and simply walk down any street you please with an American Flag in one hand and Flowers in the other, with a big sign around your neck that says, “I want peace.” and see how far you get. By the way, when they behead a person, it is not in one smooth motion with a big sharp sword, it is generally done with a medium sized, dull bladed, pocket knife, and that’s a fact! Do your recall the name Daniel Pearl? He thought he could talk to them too.

necrmonger

@Shelby H Danial Pearl was Jewish and as memory serves ..there’s a hate thing going on between Muslims and Jews…I could be wrong!,,but not wrong about the Christians on this forum who hate everyone who isn’t them!! …and that’s a fact jack!

vinagaroon

@donl51 So your a retired col pro. that explains it. Ever heard the saying “those that can, do and those that can’t teach”? Look you dumb ass liberal, Christians don ‘t cut heads off or throw acid on womens faces or burn people alive as an expression of thier religion. Go live in Somalia if you believe they are just like everyone else but just missunderstood.

necrmonger

@vinagaroon Gee I was waiting for that one..I taught Fine ARTS and Fine Arts History..I was and still am a fine Artist I sell through 2 Manhattan Galleries and I in Philly!..I’m not a liberal, I’m Socialist ,Atheist and myself..not pigeon holed as you..I also taught World History to fill the gap at times . I’m 100% smarter than you and not filled w/ hate..I also Spent 6 years in the service w/ 49 months in Vietnam…When I was discharged I joined other vets in Anti war activism as well as helped the war injured at the understaffed Philly . VA Hospital….read your history about how Christians don’t cut off heads!!,, nor burn people !..you’re seriously lacking in knowldge..like everywhere else there are good people and bad people there are also smart people and stupid people and you fit the latter and ‘ya just can’t fix stupid!’…best you don’t try to think it’ll hurt your brain!!…have a nice day!

big koala

@donl51 @vinagaroon Christians killed millions during the Crusades, Inquisition, various wars, witch trials, etc. Christians with napalm killed millions in Korea, Vietnam, Japan, etc. The hands of Christians are no less bloody than any other bunch, if you know your history.

Evermyrtle

@donl51 @Shelby H Don, I know you are an atheist because I have written and answered some of your comments but I never thought that you were a liar. But I believe this post is a lie. You know that I am a Christian and I do believe that you know that I do not hate every one who does not believe as I do. There are many who call themselves who are not Christians and these people are, at least many of them, are just as filled with hate as are admit they are non-Christians.For you to make such a statement shows a large amount of hate displayed from you. If you refuse to be a Christian does not mean that you cannot tell the truth and shed some of the hate that you harbor in your heart. Your hate hurts all of us but you, most of all.

necrmonger

@big koala big! you could have taken m,y name out of the ‘to whom”

Evermyrtle

@donl51 @big koala Since I have corresponded with you on here some, maybe you can enlighten me, somewhat. Tell me why do liberals write such hate filled posts. It seems they cannot post information without some insult, which is usually a lie. Even if it is true, “what is the point?” You may be a self–centered twit but, I won’t call you one. I mean, that does not add any good to my post. Just would show a mean spiteful and vicious lady trying to get attention. You may call me a few choice names, which will only hurt you. I remind you, that does not make an intelligent post..

necrmonger

@Evermyrtle Wow that sounds really familiar to me..I’ve been on this forum in many of its subjects to read just too many conservative posts of sheer hate!!..guess extremes of either side are basically the same ”eh?

Shelby H

@donl51 I didn’t say anything about Christians, so your point is what exactly? But seriously, who gives a flip? The Muslims hate everyone, including other Muslims who disagree. And that is a fact you moron!

Shelby H

@Evermyrtle @donl51 Evermyrtle – If you are including me in that remark, you had better watch just exactly whom you are calling a liar, and I ain’t no atheist. Again if you are including me in your remark, then best learn to read, your ignorance is apparent.

Evermyrtle

@Shelby H @donl51 No Shelby, don’t flatter yourself, I was not talking to you or referring to you.

Shelby H

@Evermyrtle Considering there are some real jerks up here, I decided to give you the benefit of the doubt. But be assured, I was not flattered at all. Nor actually offended considering the quality of the source!

MSGT JOHN CORREA

donl51, it doesn’t matter! Allow me to explain…. Muhammad said; “I am the prophet that laughs when killing my enemies.” (Hadith) According to the Qu’ran…. the enemies are the Christians and Jews, and any others who refuse to convert to Islam. Their religion is to kill, kill, kill, kill, kill for the love of Islam. Try reading the history of Muhammad and Islam by Muslim historians.

MSGT JOHN CORREA USAF (RET) Nec Aspera Terrent

Evermyrtle

@donl51 I usually write my post concerning hate spewed post, following a post that is filled with hate . Why not do the same for me?. I have not found a hate filled post from a Christian and I am looking for them

Evermyrtle

@Shelby H you don’t need to give me the doubt, threats don’t bothere me. GOD has always taken care of and I see no reason that HE will not continue to do so. What, honey do you know about the source. I, at least have not threatened, anyone. I don’t stoop to that,that is so small and so cheap!!

downenray

@donl51 Donl51 is wrong as can be about hate between Jews and Muslims. The hate is from devout Muslims to those of any other faith than Islam. We who claim to be Christians are hated no less than Jews by Muslims true to Mohammad’s religion. And we Christians do not hate those who are not Christians. We pity them and seek to help them find the truth, but we almost never crucify or behead anyone who is reluctant to agree with our faith. You accuse US of hating when all we’re doing is telling the truth about those who hate us and seek to kill and rob us.

downenray

@donl51 Don, you brag about yourself but your words betray a lack of knowledge about many things you think you know all about. Islam is a wicked religion. True Christianity is a religion of love and peace. Some who acted in the name of Christ but not at all in His Spirit have done bad things. But that was long ago. And what Muslims are doing today is terrible, too wicked even to describe in polite society. And they are egged on in those terrible deeds by their religious leaders.

downenray

@big koala How absurd are the claims of big koala. I know history and know that our recent wars were not fought for Jesus but for liberty and for the sake of the free world. Our enemies were killed because they attacked us and we had to either fight back or surrender. So we fought and won and you hate it that we fought and won. But to claim that we fought because we were Christians and they were not is to totally misrepresent facts. Obama is good at that, but you’re not succeeding in fooling most of us as he does.

downenray

@donl51 You may think disagreeing with “liberals” is hatred. You speak as if that was your opinion. But some of us disagree without hating, and yet you accuse us of hating you since we see your error.

Shelby H

@Evermyrtle I was just wondering if you could read? Obviously you just love to go shooting off your mouth. Perhaps you should read the posts a bit closer. I did not threaten anyone, including you. However,your response tagged me and you called me a liar for something I didn’t even post. I know God take care of you, he has a special spot in His heart for children and idiots. Speaking of which, I’m sure you know what scripture says about arguing with fools, if not you can look it up. As for me, I’m done with you! Anyone who reads this string can plainly see you sweetie are a complete idiot, with a sharp tongue, but unfortunately you have no brain to support it! You can look that one up too – Have a very Merry Christmas.

Evermyrtle

@Shelby H @Evermyrtle Right, that is what I’m doing. Even after you posted me right out of the blue. I should have ignored you.

Adios!!l

necrmonger

@Shelby H You’re Evermyrtle? in disguise?

necrmonger

@downenray Guess again!

necrmonger

@downenray well you disagree w/ me constantly and I’m not a Liberal

Shelby H

@donl51 Just because we disagree, you don’t have to get insulting about it. Evermyrtle claims I posted him/her out of the blue. I guess Evermyrtle doesn’t realize when there are two tags in the reply box, the post goes to both tags, and both get an email saying “whomever” (in this case mine said Evermyrtle) has replied to your post. That is what I replied to, I certainly did not start that feud. I suppose it was unintentionally, but when I get an email stating someone says I lied in a post that I had nothing to do with, I take exception to that. The irony is Evermyrtle and I are actually very close philosophically. But I’m too old and cranky to put up with being called a liar, by anyone. Disagreements don’t really bother me, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I kind of enjoy a spirited discussion now and then. But, just to clarify your question, I most certainly am not Evermyrtle in disguise or otherwise.

necrmonger

@downenray I don’t brag!

Evermyrtle

@donl51 @vinagaroon My goodness, my gracious, my memoree, what is the difference in a “fine Artist liberal,” a fine Artist socialist” a “fine Artist Communist,” and a “fine Artist anti-American?” Can they all paint and sell through Manhattan Galleries? You see I don’t know I can’t even draw a stick doll?? So this is all Greek, to me. No smart answer is necessary, unless you can do better that I can at it.

Evermyrtle

@Shelby H @donl51 If I had included you in my post I would not have to written your name in the comment. NO I DID NOT INCLUDE YOU IN MY POST. GET THE TWIST OUT OF YOUR BLOOMERS!”

notreallyhere

@Shelby H And you christian hate all of other religions sounds simiiar ..no?

Shelby H

@Evermyrtle

Count back about 24 posts (if you can count that far) and you will see that donl51’s tag and my tag are in your response. That means I got your response emailed to me. Just in case you can’t count that far, I pasted it below. Now either you are a complete idiot or a absolute Liar. Quite frankly, I think both, but really don’t care. The truth is above and right here in front of you. I think your have a problem with the truth and simply cannot accept being wrong! You’d have made a damn good liberal.

Evermyrtle741 pts donl51 Shelby H Don, I know you are an atheist because I have written and answered some of your comments but I never thought that you were a liar. But I believe this post is a lie. You know that I am a Christian and I do believe that you know that I do not hate every one who does not believe as I do. There are many who call themselves who are not Christians and these people are, at least many of them, are just as filled with hate as are admit they are non-Christians.For you to make such a statement shows a large amount of hate displayed from you. If you refuse to be a Christian does not mean that you cannot tell the truth and shed some of the hate that you harbor in your heart. Your hate hurts all of us but you, most of all.

ashman1

Perhaps you should return to the outback and munch on some contaminated eucalyptus leaves and leave the US to us. We are doing very well without some erzatz teddy bear poking his nose in.

big koala

@ashman1 I’m as American as you, except I’ve seen a bit of the world, and learned long ago that America is not the only country on the planet.

ashman1

Wrong teddy bear, with your political agenda sounding more like Mao, you will never be as American as me or any other American willing to stand against fraudulent presidents, communism, and socialism. You still smell like eucalyptus leaves but you do have that certain mystique, sorta like Okama-sutra.

necrmonger

@ashman1 if you’re talking about evangelical conservatives..yeah I can see what a great job you’re doing!

ashman1

I doubt that you can see anything but your own self placed aura of importance. You and the teddy bear make a fine couple. Is marriage in the future?

necrmonger

@ashman1 What a maroon!

vinagaroon

@big koala

Whatever you are, muzzie, liberal, or just appeasing coward, you belong living in one of those muslum ruled countries.You seem to think you would be happier there living under thier ideology.As for this country, we should pull out of every country we are stationed in right now, stop ALL aid to every country, kick the UN out of New York and resign and resign from NATO. Oh and deport ALL muslums.Worthless gutter rats.

necrmonger

@big koala ..yep! you’ll soon be a satan soon as well, give it another week!!

MelCardonell

funnu how in your 1st post you claimed to love america,but alittle down the road your true feelings of hatred for america raised its ugly head1 we my not rule the world but dont screw with us u fanatic! push comes to shove keep in mind ..for when it comes to our ultimate survival..in the history of the world only twice have niclear weapons been used in war..heres a hint bro, we used them twice! dont ever forget that,by the way since you seem to hate this country so much..why dont you live somewhere else where your comments would be tolerant. the muslims you seem to support have no tolerance for anyone who dissagrees with their religion.

Evermyrtle

@big koala We also have one in the White House, who has pulled every trick in the book to destroy us economically and morally. He has declared war on Christians and before this rein is over every liberal will realize what he has been after, all along, as well as those that already and are purposely aiding and abetting him

@Evermyrtle You’re right as usual. But reign is the correct spelling of what Obama is doing as our dictator, so spell it right next time.

downenray

@big koala We recognize that the enemies grow stronger every day while Obama makes US weaker. But we do not approve of what Obama is doing, as you seem to think we should.

necrmonger

@big koala Man I thought it would take about a week..but you’re catching up fast to me with being Satan! alternet and CD are more interesting intellect wise but this place is getting more amusing!

vinagaroon

Whatever you are, muzzie, liberal, or just appeasing coward, you belong living in one of those muslum ruled countries.You seem to think you would be happier there living under thier ideology.As for this country, we should pull out of every country we are stationed in right now, stop ALL aid to every country, kick the UN out of New York and resign and resign from NATO. Oh and deport ALL muslums.Worthless gutter rats.

necrmonger

@vinagaroon and build a giant fence around the country not letting anyone in or out!!..you’re a nut!

MelCardonell

i agree with vinagaroon to a point,we should stop aid to countries that hate us or harbor terrorists,the u n well needs to go. it has long ago outlived its usefullness,it is blatantly anti american democracy and anti israel. all they want is to control our govt. eliminate our freedoms and constitutional rights and redistribute our wealth..whats left of it to other countries.

Evermyrtle

@MelCardonell Exactly!! This is the big reason we are economically, ruined,why we can not take care of our own, we are taking care of the rest of the world, and the whole world hates us except for Israel and we are against them right now, we hate our only friend.

downenray

@Evermyrtle Right, except that patriotic citizens are NOT enemies of Israel. But Obama helped oust Mubarak in Egypt. He was helping keep peace in the area. The Muslim Brotherhood which Obama has helped come to power is strongly anti-Israel and anti-American. We have much to thank Obama for which is making us poorer and weaker every day.

Evermyrtle

@downenray You are right most of the citizens do not hate Israel, jut the government and the liberals.

downenray

@vinagaroon There are good citizens of the U.S.A. who are Muslims. But every citizen should swear allegiance to THIS nation and our laws and be prepared to defend our Constitution in any way it must be done. Obama is not loyal to the Constitution. Instead, he’s doing everything possible to overthrow it and get around it in order to ruin us. Some of us recognize that if our national debt continues to rise, we are doomed as a nation. Obama keeps growing that debt every day he’s allowed to live in the White House.

big koala

I think the USA is the best country to live in. I love America, but many in this nation do not respect people in other countries and from other cultures and religions. But we are no longer the Kings of Earth that we once were. We depend on other countries, as they depend on us. Other human beings are NOT “worthless gutter rats,” they are humans, with hopes and dreams and rights, creativity and brains, etc. Americans are NOT the only humans on the planet, and God is not a white-skinned old man who speaks English.

Evermyrtle

@big koala You are not a gutter because of where you were born or where you live or who your parents are , you do that all by your self, by the life you decide to live, by the principles your choose to live by. Whether you love people, if you love GOD AND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST. If you lore them you will never be a gutter rat. That is caused by the love of people who are determined to harm others any way they can. Something like that has been going on in our country. We have legalized what is an abomination to GOD in many different areas and still say everything is fine. We are fin,e according to Satan and all who follow him, all who have helped him to put our country where we are, exactly where he wants BUT he want s us to continue to deteriorate in our morals and we almost hit bottom already.

Matt 25:5 31-34 31. When the SON OF MAN shall come in HIS GLORY, and all the holy Angels with HIM, then shall He sit upon the throne of HIS GLORY: 32. And before HIM shall be gathered all nations: and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats: 33. And HE shall set the sheep on HIS right hand, but the goats on HIS left. 34. Then shall the KING say unto them on HIS right hand, Come, you blessed of my FATHER, inherit the kingdom prepared for you form the foundation of the world.

Now it makes not one iota bit of difference if you believe this or not, that will do nothing to hinder it fro occurring. The world is ripe right not for that event. It is so tragic that more people cannot see where this country is heading and do something the reign of Satan

downenray

@big koala Your implications and aspersions are way off base. The U.S.A. has never tried to take over another nation in all the wars we’ve engaged in during the 20th and now the 21st centuries. We have respected others who deserve respect. If we don’t recognize despicable rulers, that’s not a mark of good judgment. Obama has helped overthrow our allies in the mid-east, and in each case has helped replace them with Muslim governments. Are we to pretend we can’t see it? Obama is directly responsible for no aid being sent to save the Benghazi four, and has successfully prevented any punishment to himself for more than three months for this treasonous act. Most don’t want to believe he could be as evil as he obviously is, so they allow him to make excuses and then pretend they believe his lies. God loves us all, regardless of race or any other difference. We’re not claiming that all Arabs are godless. But every Muslim swears allegiance to a book which calls for death for every unbeliever. And is it in any way wise to ignore sworn enemies? To pretend they’re friends? Obama is obviously opposed to Christianity, as is very evident in his insistence that every citizen, regardless of their faith, MUST submit to a law which is based on anti-Christian services being paid for by each purchaser of insurance. It’s evident in his attacks on the sources of energy which are found here on our own soil. But who is looking? Some obviously aren’t.

necrmonger

@downenray RIIIIIIGHT!…i Didn’t know that the dumbing dopwn of Americas youth went all the way up to your age..guess its in the DNA of that older person..sport stick w/ your scriptures!

necrmonger

@downenray ‘down’,,misprint oops!

Tonto USA

I’m not ready to slap my fist into my chest and say “Hail Obama” and turn muzlim. Maybe there are a copuple people writing here that are. With islam it’s ALWAYS a one way street, and those that don’t know that had better become aware of that fact……or they’ll kill you. That is their MO. That isn’t even really a “religion” but a theocratic totalitarianism that governs, under threat of death, all aspects of life from birth to death. Of the more than 20,000 jihadi attack on human beings since 2001, in which an average of 200 people per week have been killed and critically injured, 75% have been against other muz that weren’t acting “muz enough”. I don’t want to hear all that liberal burble about “oh they’re just practicing a peaceful religion” or “we need to respect their views”….and be advised, a “horizontal butt stroke” is the best medicine to give a mouthy muz an attitude adjustment. If they don’t step out of line, they get to live….and that’s just as “accommodating” or appeasing I’ll ever get with them.

necrmonger

@Tonto USA Please prove to us all that as you state Obama is a Muslim..!..this country is the melting pot of the world,,freedom of religion./.but not the freedom to practice certain rituals.. certain religions use Canabis in their ceramony…forbidden!..wiccans practice animal sacrifice,,forbidden,,Sharia practiced by not all but certain Muslim sects,,forbidden! I looked it up..what that judge did was illegal!..both he and that girls father should share a cell!…This is by far one of the most paranoid groups of hatefilled religious people I’ve ever chanced upon!….lets ”attempt” to work w/ the president in office to make things better for ‘all’..he’s not the best choice but neither is Romney..the best hasn’t come along yet!

Evermyrtle

@donl51 @Tonto USA I cannot give you the video but I heard hi m say on that video that he was a Muslim.

Tonto USA

@Evermyrtle @donl51 Saw it, and I truly believe that religion means nothing to Obama….it’s just another pose. Obama will use anything and anyone to further his agenda and discard them just as easily when their utility is over.

downenray

@donl51 You suggest working with Obama. We’ve tried that and it doesn’t work for an instant. It’s HIS way or the highway. And his way is to ruin the U.S.A. We had better make up our minds that secession is the only alternative to slavery with Obama in the White House. Obamacare is terrible. But why would anyone think that’s the last attack he’ll make on our liberties?

necrmonger

@downenray Don’t lie ! the moment that man was elected the first time the GOP was busy looking to groom their next candidate just like they’re doing now!!

Evermyrtle

@donl51 @downenray I believe that lying is a sin, but stupidity can not be helped but you can work to improve your mind and with GOD’S help you can overcome it to at degree!

notreallyhere

@Evermyrtle @downenray Lying is a sin..its also for the insecure,,I’m secure!

big koala

The idiots who think there’s a danger that the US will be taken over by sharia law, are the same kind of idiots who were afraid that the US would be taken over by communists in the 1950’s, or by Catholics in the 1840’s. The USA has its problems, but it’s a strong, free country, with our rights protected by law and custom for over 200 years. There are always lumps in the oatmeal, of course, we are the most diverse nation on earth. But we are freer today than ever before (except when getting on an airplane…), and none of our problems can’t be solved by patience, and compromise between the different forces within our nation.

necrmonger

@big koala Two really good comments you made well said ,thankyou!..might be compelled to email you..we’re birds of a feather and its nice to talk w/ other sound thinkers!..I’ve been on this site about 2 weeks ..the story of that Sharia law debacle in AZ was what led me here..so I stuck around to read,talk and I’m mild mannered ,don’t judge but like intelligent discourse…well I’m satan!!evil,etc liberal ..while I’m just me!..really depends on what category of the forum you visit all are highly religious ,,most filled w/ hate and discussion w/o expletives thrown at you is not an option..take car!..don

ashman1

My donl, your nose is taking on a nice fecal-brown tint. You must spend many hours patronizing the misfits, the communists, and the socialists. Koala is all of those so you enjoy your servitude.

necrmonger

@ashman1 Do you practice at sounding like the idiot ? or does it come natural?…I’m thinking the latter!

ashman1

@donl51 It is precipitated by moronic tinkerbelles like you. You need to get more practice dealing with those superior in intellect to yours. Of course that represents 85 percent of the population. Go practice your Mein Kampf lessons and leave us alone. You want some place to peddle your imbecilic nonsense, go to A Hole L or Huff “n Puffington.

necrmonger

@ashman1 You’re not one ..sooo talking to you is easy ..like talking to an IQ of 80 at best!!

ashman1

GOTCHA! I’m so pleased I could make your day more miserable than it already was. By the way, tinkerbelle, I don’t see your name on the mensa register. Is that something else you were teasing about. Now, go to Huff ‘N Puff and say hello to the other sub-species.

Amvet

@big koala My friend you are incorrect. You need to review your history and a good place to start is the Marx system and Hitler’s system to take control of a people and sway their minds to think what is being done is for the good of all people. This began during the cold war and communism is alive and well as it is promoted by all liberal thinkers. The American Communist Party and the Liberal Party assimulated into the Democratic Party because of the same objectives were sought. You can research it yourself.

MSGT JOHN CORREA

Amvet, I can’t begin to tell you just how oftened I have tried to explain the “infiltration” into our government by the American Communist Party. Just as you have stated and more, the Democratic Party were infiltrated by members of the American Communist Party under the guise of liberalism. Today, their actions are visible if only people will look and “listen” carefully rather than merely “hearing” to what comes out of their mouths. Democrats, liberals, socialists, communists, all wear the mask of Karl Marx. It will be difficult to penetrate the mind of ‘big koala’ and others whose brains were obviously buried in concrete blocks. Even with all the evidence I presented to my college graduate niece (a journalist) she still thinks Mr. Barack Hussein Obama II is the Messiah.

Truly, ther must be something terribly wrong with individuals who won’t listent to the truth and/or the facts as evidence.

MSGT JOHN CORREA USAF (RET) Nec Aspera Terrent

ashman1

@MSGT JOHN CORREA I thank you for your military experience and the sacrifices that go along with it. And I thank you for your dedication to our constitution and your disdain for the “political correctness manure”. His majesty, Ali ben Achmed Soulimann Obama, is an insult to this constitution and we will see how he fares when he can no longer hide behind the presidency. I predict he will go down in history as the greatest presidential fraud, perpetrating the greatest hoax on the Americn people since we separated from Great Britain. A Korean vet

necrmonger

@Amvet @big koala From a retired Prof of World history and Vietnam war veteran ..its you MR. Amvet who needs to brush up on their history ,,I’ve read your postings and just shook my head..,,plus you make up some real interesting history!!

Evermyrtle

@big koala Another hate laced comment by a liberal! I think we should take count of these hate filled comments. Besides that, he has not a clue that the world, as we know is crumbling around us.

downenray

@big koala This is the first time the enemy has lived in the White House. When Jimmy Carter was our president, he was weak and odd, but not inimical to our liberties. We’ve had good and bad presidents before, but none so alien to our Constitution as is Obama. We need to give careful consideration to some states seceding from Obama’s union, with Obama’s supporters moving out of those states and Patriots moving from Obama country into the new nation. It likely needs to start with Texas and include a good many other states adjoining Texas and nearby.

NavyJR

@downenray Sorry, sir, but the LAST time we had a true American patriot in our WH was ANDY JACKSON! The rest have been either directly or indirectly controlled parts of our PROBLEM since him! O is only the MOST OVERT about it! You ARE on the right track but haven’t yet figured out who our real enemy is, or what the agenda is and why. I will suggest you look in seemingly unlikely quarters, for an entity that you wouldn’t normally think would be an enemy. This terrorist outfit was ordained in 1540, briefly put on hiatus in May of 1776, and reinstated in 1814! It’s scope is global, and it has but ONE objective; which it is very near to accomplishing!

downenray

@big koala I’ve not realized I was an idiot as you say I am. I see that Islam wants to rule the entire world, imposing sharia law everywhere, with Muslim clerics the ones in charge. And last I knew the U.S.A. was part of the world. The U.S.A. is a far, far weaker country than it was prior to Obama. We are losing our rights, as can be seen by all as Obamacare kicks in now that the election is over. We are far less free than our fathers were already, with more executive regulations on the way since Obama was re-elected. You imagine that compromise is possible. Obama knows nothing of compromise. He dictates and we either submit or are taken out of the way, as several armed forces leaders have recently learned, and as some Representatives are now learning with Boehner needing to do some compromising with Obama.

big koala

No one is asking Tonto to say “Hail Obama.” He is the prez, and the law requires your obedience to it, but you are free to voice your opposition to the current administration on line, in letters to the papers, to your friends, on radio or tv, or anywhere else you can get people to listen to you. You can even accuse Obama of being a muslim, although that’s total nonsense. You can call him a commie or a socialist from the rooftops, if you like, and as long as you follow the law, you’ll be ok, and the cops will even protect your right of free speech, no matter how ridiculous you are. Maybe you should find someone else to hate and fear.

Amvet

@big koala The law does not require your obedience to the position of the President, it does require all “Citizens” to respect, protect and defend the Constitution. Obama does neither, he is a product of a well planned distruction of the United States that uses the ingnorance of the population to promote its cause from within our own borders and it is manifested in the liberal thinkers and the politically correct promoters.

MSGT JOHN CORREA

Amvet, allow me to add to your comments if I may. There is no Constitutional law that says we must render ‘obedience’ to a U.S. President. As a President of the United States of America, a President must earn the respect of the American people. big koala asserts that calling the foreign-born Muslim communist as “nonsense” simply doesn’t know what he is talking about. big koala should try and read Bishop Ron McRae’s Sworn Affidavit’s testimony that not only was Mr. Barack Hussein Obama II born in Kenya, Africa, but he was also a citizen of Indonesia where he went to “Islam” school. The Bishop also points out that Mr. Obama II funneled one million dollars to his cousin in Kenya, Africa to help create violence as a last resort in the overthrow of the Kenyan government while illegally serving as U.S. Senator. I don’t believe big koala is aware that Mr. Barack Hussein Obama II is an illegal alien as with his two relatives who are still in this country living on welfare at the expense of the American taxpayers.

By the way, activists judges in our courts kept Bishop Ron McRae’s sworn Affidavit out of the courts as evidence. By now, big koala should realize that activist judges are also engaged in ‘tyranny.’

MSGT JOHN CORREA USAF (RET) Nec Aspera Terrent

SamCrisp

@MSGT JOHN CORREA WE THE PEOPLE ARE UNDER A SIEGE FROM WITHIN! Same as Nazi Germany , Communist China and Communist Russia. Remember ZEROS vow to PUTIN after he is reelected,that he will work very closely with HIM. WOW!!!!!!!

NavyJR

@MSGT JOHN CORREA I think he’s “legal” due to his marriage to a citizen, a “green card wedding” if you will. BUT that’s the ONLY claim to legal status he has in the US. The rest of your statement is RIGHT on the mark and I’ve found that from other sources including the Kenyan legislature’s own official records.

downenray

@NavyJR It seems that Obama is not even a citizen of the U.S.A., let alone being a native-born citizen as our Presidents must be. And he was elected TWO TIMES as our President!

dboyerdr

You can see videos on you tube where Obama admits he is a muslim. Bo, the family dog travels in a separate vehicle when he goes on vacation with them. Muslims believe dogs are “dirty” and will not travel in the same vehicle with their dog. His gold ring and watch disappear every Ramadan. His ring is inscribed “there is but one GOD, ALLAH. But this is America and you can freely believe any BS you want.

Amvet

@big koala Watch this video supplied by a fellow blogger: earth, but in terms of spiritual development most are still Neanderthals. This PC tolerance movement is the work of Antonio Gramsci and Frankfurt School whose agenda was to take down a Judeo/Christian culture from within. The only religion the left has a problem with is biblical Christianity no why is that? This is the most comprehensive, best movie I have seen pulling all this together. Watch it. Share it. It should be mandatory viewing for anyone who loves this country https://vimeo.com/52009124 if that is not working try this: https://vimeo.com/16647512

NavyJR

@Amvet Has to do with the gap between 1 May 1776 and somewhere in 1814, 1540 and some Papal actions as a matter of fact; without needing to watch the video. Oh, and a bit of rebellion that started in 1431, in Germany; too. Seems our Constitution was NEVER intended, by some circles, to have been written and is driving them NUTS!

Evermyrtle

@big koala The only place that “OBEY” fits into my life is when I OBEY my GOD and SAVIOR. Obey Obama? He is not the order giver, he is not even the leader, he is the destroyer of American and her Christina religion.

Tonto USA

@big koala The law (and my oath, incidentally) demands obedience to the Constitution, not the president. The founding fathers were very careful about that because that’s what they were in revolt against. The UCMJ that is the Code of the military demands the obedience of the LEGAL orders ONLY of the ranking individual giving the order. By law, we are NOT required to follow illegal orders from anyone if it is in direct conflict with the Constitution. Best read up on history and law your own self. And yeah, Hitler, Stalin and the koran (and haditha) are very closely related to one another….do some reading on those items as well sir/ma’am. The democrats no longer exist and the GOP is essentially dead. We have the left (represented by whatever you chose to call what Obama is doing) and the struggling and newly emerging Tea Party that is hesitantly representing the reawakened Conservatives in this country. Hopefully, the Tea Party will continue without resorting to civil war or succession of states as has been bantered about, but I doubt it. As far as “the law” goes, that’s controlled by the sheriff, and happily, we have an honest one where I am. Frankly, like the rest of America, I chose what laws I will follow and which ones I’ll ignore…..when was the last time you followed each and every speed limit? Or smoked pot? Or drove tipsy? There are a plethora of illegal, unConstitutional laws on the books all over the place….75% of the regulations that your “Dearest Leader”, Obama, mandated are bogus….I guess you need to read up on that too. Dang boy/girl, you got a lot of catching up to do…..best get to it so you can, at least, support your arguments with something more substantial than your “sounds-pretty-good” BS.

downenray

@big koala The actions of Obama make it clear that he is a supporter of Islam rather than Christianity as he claims. And his actions aimed at destroying our economy prove that he’s no friend of this nation, but rather is an enemy. He will soon have us so far in debt that the nation will have to declare bankruptcy, being unable to pay even the interest on the loans he has put us under. It’s reasonable to most fear the one most able to destroy us. And his name is Obama. He now owns the Democrat party. We surely need to fear his army aimed at removing all our rights as citizens.

Evermyrtle

@downenray @big koala You are 100% correct, my opinion, exactly

necrmonger

@downenray Yep! guess you blocked out his words when he said America stands firm at the side of Israel against all who oppose them!!

downenray

@donl51 Do words or actions count most? Obama lies freely, and it’s not smart to believe his lies as you seem to do. His actions spell that he is not a friend of Israel. If he one time said he was a friend, that does not mean he is or ever was a friend to the nation.

LARRY NIEMAN

@big koala wake up man, OBAMA has broken every law in the book in the past 4 years, he has passed 200 executive orders in 4 years, more than the last 4 presidents combined, he has oll of his legal documents consealed, at a price tag of 1.5 million dollars, check that out, thank you , LARRY NIEMAN

dmttbt

@big koala I don’t suppose you heard about the law they passed stating they can arrest you or me or anyone and put us in prison without trial indefinitely. All they have to do is think you are against the government. they have been really busy.@

TOWG

Wait just a minute here bk. I would never say that Obama is a PRACTICING muslim but his father was a muslim so he is too as far as they are concerned. Remember their religion isn’t like the Baptist Church where you can just quit and become a Catholic or vice versa.

LARRY NIEMAN

@TOWG I HAVE HEARD OBAMA on more than one ocasion , BRAG about his father and himself being MUSLIM. and OBAMA said that this nation would be better off if it were run by the MUSLIM, OBAMA IS PROUD TO BE A MUSLIM. THANK YOU , LARRY NIEMAN

dmttbt

@LARRY NIEMAN @TOWG In obama s book he wrote that if it came to it he would choose Muslim. Was he telling stories or the truth. We are just too stupid to believe what is right in front of us.@

Mike1231

Everything make since if a traitor is called a traitor. We elected our enemy. Now, was that too hard? Feel better now? Oh, enlightenment, the truth.

necrmonger

If this is the Liberals worst nightmare,,I’ve got to bring in some of my progressive freinds,,this is a literal playground of the stupid..you people harbor so much hate you really don’t even know why!

Evermyrtle

@donl51 Why do liberals make such hate filled comments?? Just take note of the one above, and he talks about hate!

Tonto USA

@Evermyrtle @donl51 The most intolerant, hateful, racist, dishonest, and careless of others people that I’ve ever met are so-called “liberals”. They are the most self-righteous-for-no-reason people there are. I think all one can do is just identify who they are as soon as one can and avoid them.

necrmonger

@Tonto USA @Evermyrtle Perhaps we should all wear labels! would that work for you Tonto!!?…then we can really be a country divided!!

necrmonger

@Evermyrtle conservatives / liberals any extreme is the same!!

dboyerdr

I’m not a very religous guy but I truly believe GOD is watching over Isreal!!! Have you not noticed that every time Obama does something that could hurt or damage Isreal, America suffers another natural disaster????? Sandy is the latest one. But there have been terrible tornados and earthquakes in places that never had them before!!! It has happened too often to be coincidental!!!

LARRY NIEMAN

@dboyerdr you are a smart person, and i beleive you are corect, ISRAEL is the HOLY LAND, and GOD will watch over ISRAEL, OBAMA IS A MUSLIM RADICAL, and if you know the HOLY BIBLE , you know we are in the END DAYS, thank you and GOD BLESS YOU ALL, LARRY NIEMAN

downenray

@LARRY NIEMAN Correction. Israel WAS the Holy Land. It is now a Jewish nation which is friendly to the U.S.A. and our ally. But it is in no way a godly nation or led by God. Yes, Obama is a Muslim. Jesus will return some day. It will come as a surprise to all whether it happens today, tomorrow, or ten years or decades or centuries from now.

dmttbt

@dboyerdr God didn’t do that it was Al Gore. These people can’t tell you what the weather is going to be but they can tell you what global warming is and will be. By the way if you recall a lot of the so called facts they were quoting were found to be false. What’s their plan are we all going to get big fans and keep a polar bear cool? These idiots act like if you buy carbon credts it will change the weather. Oh my God. Such horse sh t.@

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

@dboyerdr You are correct in your correlation of Obama’s intent to damage Israel and American suffering another disaster. Remember that being religious isn’t what saves you, it’s believing and accepting that Jesus is God (Son in the Trinity) , came to earth to die for our sins, that he rose again, and is in heaven waiting to come again to get his Church. God said He would bless those that bless Israel and curse those that curse her. It is not coincidence.

downenray

@Florida Girl The nation God promised to bless is NOT the present nation wearing the same name. It was the nation into which Jesus was born many centuries ago. God has NOT promised to bless the present Israel or curse its enemies. We gladly support Israel because it’s our ally, not because it’s God’s nation. It’s no more blessed by God than is the U.S.A. But it is an important ally, one we should be strongly supportive of, and one that Obama seems to hold in little regard. We will see whether or not Obama sends a multi-million dollar supply of airplanes to an enemy of ours which was an ally at the time the agreement to send those planes was made. I think Obama will send them to a nation which now is an obvious enemy who then can use them against Israel.

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

@downenray I must politely disagree with your statement: “the nation God promised to bless is NOT the present nation wearing the same name. It was the nation into which Jesus was born many centuries ago. God has NOT promised to bless the present Israel or curse its enemies.” Here is my answer: I will take you to the HIGHEST POWER for confirmation. God said it, not me:: Genesis 17:1-8 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. 2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly. 3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying, 4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. 5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee. 6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee. 7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. 8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

“Everlasting possession and I will be their God” sounds very clear to me that it is the very same Israel.. In addition, read Genesis 12:1-3 below: Those Who Bless Israel Will Be Blessed, and Those Who Curse Israel Will Be Cursed In the Book of Genesis, Chapter 12, Verse 1-3, we see what God says about His response to how people treat Israel: “And I will bless those that bless you and curse the one who curses you. And in you shall all families of the earth be blessed.” In the Book of Numbers, where the Bible is telling us about the Nation of Israel that God delivers out of bondage in Egypt, it tells us: “He crouched. He lay down as a lion, and as a great lion. Who shall stir him up? Blessed is he who blesses you, and cursed is he who curses you.” Although many will point out that this Scripture had its fulfillment in the Old Testament days, it doesn’t seem to have any time-related limitation on it. It doesn’t say, “I will bless those who bless you only until the Messiah comes. . .”, or have any other conditions that would limit the result of actions toward Israel. Rev. 22:18, 19 cautions us not to add to or take away from the prophecies of this Book. I base my beliefs on the Bible. There are many more verses in which God claims Israel as being special to him. I keep losing my place here and I am afraid I will erase all of this and I don’t want to do that so I am posting now. Get a good Bible Concordance and read of Israel being special to God, the Apple of God’s eye, etc.

Amvet

Obama is just a tool and most liberals are just sheep that have been sucked into the fold. Here is a partial response from a fellow blogger with a very enlightening video that needs to be seen by all “Americans”. This video gives you many of the answers of why the United States is in such great tumoil. Through Obama and his band of co-conspirators and puppet masters he has distroyed our economy, widen the gap between those that have and those that have not and set civil rights and racism back to the 1950’s. You have to watch what he does, not what he says he will do because they are not the same. He only says what you want to hear him say; but, if it isn’t in his plans it will never be done. Every created or unfortunate gun issue give him and his cronnies more persuasive arguements to take the only defence against their end goal, Our Second Amendment. The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution is the part of the United States Bill of Rights that protects the right of the people to keep and bear arms. This was put in the Bill of Rights to not only protect us individually by to protect us from the likes of Hitler, Marx, Chavis and any other that would try to take control of Our personal rights and liberties as a Nation.

“This Politically Correct tolerance movement is the work of Antonio Gramsci and Frankfurt School whose agenda was to take down a Judeo/Christian culture from within. The only religion the left has a problem with is biblical Christianity no why is that? This is the most comprehensive, best movie I have seen pulling all this together. Watch it. Share it. It should be mandatory viewing for anyone who loves this country.”

@Amvet We all thought we were going to be destroyed from within, but we were woried about the Russians, not the Muslim brotherhood. It is amazing how fast we are losing our liberties and these people who say we have 200 years of laws and tradition on our side are not paying attention. We also have to acknoledge the damage done by our own government. Yes, yes we all know that they shall pass no law that they are not also under. That sounds good but when we decided they could come up with the social security scheme and not be under the same things they passed for us we should have taken acion, when someone asked obama if he was going to be subject to obama care he said he has the best insurance you can get, because he is president. Why haven’t obama, Buffett, Samuel Jackson, Tom hanks and all the ones who believed their taxes should be higher, sent in the money to the UNITED STATES TREASURY. Please send it in now we can avoid the interest on that much money. hat are they waiting for?@

NavyJR

@dmttbt @Amvet Here’s a thought for both of you: the SAME people who set up the front organization known as communism, also set up the front organization known as the Muslim Brotherhood; and THEY are still the ones pulling ALL the strings, destroying us from within. Hint: it’s neither, both are just their TOOLS! The REAL enemy is one you probably haven’t even heard of in connection with all that’s going on in a direct enough way to have suspected them in the least! They’ve hidden behind so many front organizations globally, that they’re extremely hard to spot at all, let alone see for what they truly are!

downenray

@NavyJR It’s no secret who set up Communism or the Muslim Brotherhood. Islam has been around for a long time. It’s not some recent invention. There’s no secrecy involved, as you suggest. And Communism also has obvious sources which are well documented.

gnafuasusual

@Amvet Thank you so much, Amvet! I watched the video: Agenda: Grinding America Down and it made so much sense. Finally real educated people who know what is happening. It makes a difference when I hear my thoughts actually remarked by such a prestigious group of men and women. You are certainly on the ball and know what you are talking about as well! I will keep spreading the word about the video. Again, Thanks. God BlessYou and The United States, Real Good!!

NavyJR

@gnafuasusual @Amvet Do they mention anything called the CFR or a group known as the Jesuits? If not they missed the mark too.

thespaff

Another Moron with his head buried in sand

PhilMccaskill

I don’t know why (if you are calling me a moron) why you would say that. Have you been paying attention the way people have been talking to each other on this site??? You can feel the anger. that’s exactly how i feel, but that is why we will loose. We need to stick together and be as one, just like they do. The more we stick together, the stronger we get. If we are to fight this black hearted muslem anti-christ, we need to stop fighting with each other and start watching our backs. If we don’t, were done.

necrmonger

@PhilMccaskill Very good idea I said same for two weeks now and am now a ‘troll’..good luck Phil

downenray

@donl51 I haven’t understood from your remarks that you were agreeing with Phil in the least. He’s calling for us to do the RIGHT things together.

MSGT JOHN CORREA

If I were on active duty I would take that regulations manual tear out the pages and use it as toilet paper. I will never appease any Islamic Muslim who never researches or questions their religion created by Muhammad the terrorist. Only the intellectual Muslim historians actually took the time to research the beginnings of Mahammad who posed as an apostle of God. Here is a little history of Muhammad whose life was filled with lustfulness (12 marriages and sex with children, slaves and concubines), rapes, warfare, conquests, and unmerciful butcheries. Just wait till you read their Qu’ran. Here’s another bit of information; Muhammad said; “I am the prophet that laughs when killing my enemies.” (Hadith) Who are his enemies… Christians and Jews, and all others who refuse to convert to Islam.

Instead of ordering our fighting force to appease the enemy, teach them the history of “Muhammad and Islam so that our men and women serving in the United States Armed Forces will have a complete understanding of the Islamic religious fanatics. Furthermore, our military leaders had better wake up and honor the “Military Oath” they solemnly swore to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that includes the foreign-born Muslim communist dictator Mr. Barack Hussein Obama II. What good is the “Miltary Oath” if our leaders refuse to enforce it against a foreign-born agent who should be charged as the “Saboteur” that Obama II really is. It should be obvious that Mr. Barack Hussein Obama II is destroying our country from within and all that we cherish in America.

God bless America and our Judeo-Christian principles. Merry Christmas to all American patriots.

MSGT JOHN CORREA USAF (RET)

Nec Aspera Terrent

mathis1689

@MSGT JOHN CORREA Thanks Sarge. Too bad you weren’t a Marine. You’d have made a good one. Semper Fi!

MSGT JOHN CORREA

mathis1689, Thank you for your kind words. Although I never had the honor of serving in the Marines; I did serve as a “dog-face” soldier during the Korean conflict, and then later, I served in the United States Air Force totaling both services for over 28 years. Thank you also for your service to our country.

MSGT JOHN CORREA USAF (RET) Nec Aspera Terrent

mathis1689

@MSGT JOHN CORREA Would have been an honor to serve with you sir. Seems like men like you are getting harder and harder to find these days.

dmttbt

@MSGT JOHN CORREA I can’t understand the people like the one who said we are more free now than ever before. Oh yes I can it just came to me that is one of those three people that watch MSNBC news. No wonder they are so confused.

sargentrock

@MSGT JOHN CORREA You are 100% correct in your assessment of the Muslim fraud they laughingly call a prophet. I also am a Viet Nam veteran with 22 years in the military and a God fearing Christian, patriotic American and defender of our Constitution, Bill of Rights and our freedoms. And I will die doing so. I also would have taken those pages out and burned them and would have directed my personnel to ignore them. Today we have just as many enemies IN this country as we do without and we need to start cleaning house. while we still have a nation.

Another Retired Msgt….

NavyJR

@don51: Of course I eat; and I do use a VERY few pharmaceuticals; I am human; but far from “selfish” as you put it. Do you comprehend what the term CONSERVATIVE means? I’m both a fiscal and social conservative; and it’s ONLY “crazy” to be so to the BOUGHT -AND-PAID-FOR media and others who believe as they do! I’m NO fan of big Pharma, probably for reasons that haven’t even crossed your mind. And it may or may not be that I’m a BIT paranoid these days; but that doesn’t mean I’m crazy either; Generally it’s only labelled as paranoia when there isn’t anyone actually “after you”, and that’s NOT the case here!

necrmonger

@NavyJR With some little exception we sound the same yet we don’t see eye to eye,..talking over the internet is probably the worst way to discuss anything when the parties involved don’t know one another!

NavyJR

@ Big Koala: BOY are YOU in for a BIG surprise one of these days! You’re so far from understanding what’s going on in this world it’s laughable!

LARRY NIEMAN

@NavyJR well, i am a NAVY VET, so can you sugest what we should be doing? LARRY N

LARRY NIEMAN

As far as i know, we are still in a MAJORITY RULE, government, but OBAMA is acting like a DICTATOR, and he needs to be impeached, NOW, so ”WE THE PEOPLE” need to get together, and get enough members to IMPEACH HIM, thanks LARRY.

NavyJR

@LARRY NIEMAN We ARE in a “majority rule” to an extent, although a Constitutional Republic is supposed to be rule of law rather than majority rule! The majority rule is ONLY to that extent to which the “majority” goes the way the puppet masters WANT to go! The truth is we live under a dictatorship and martial law today.

LARRY NIEMAN

@NavyJRdon’t forget, OBAMA is the DICTATOR, and he does whatever he wants to do, he wants to change the CONSTITUTION, he said , he does not need CONGRESS, he will just do some more EXECUTIVE ORDERS. thank you , LARRY NIEMAN

paxcat

@NavyJR @LARRY NIEMAN Because we do hold our elected Congress people to task! We allow them to lie and feather their own caps at our expense. They are the ones who ultimately decide for example who sill sit on the Supreme Court and they have allowed way too much leeway in “unconstitutional” beliefs to gain entrance. SCOTUS should be taking down Congress every time they stray from the consitution, do they? No! So, our great checks and balances system is broken. Obama won the popular vote – in fact GOP hasn’t won the popular vote for awhile. Our founders warned against a pure “majority rule” as they knew what might happen!

LARRY NIEMAN

@paxcat @NavyJR i was not sure what the ”electorial vote” was, and it contradicts the ”popular vote”. so OBAMA is using our own laws against us, thank you and GOD BLESS, LARRY NIEMAN

necrmonger

@LARRY NIEMAN @paxcat @NavyJR Bush used it to..

necrmonger

@LARRY NIEMAN @paxcat @NavyJR In my opinion the only way to be elected is by popular vote..the electoral college may have been good 200+ years ago…when we set up the voting in Afghanistan and Iraq it was by popular and that’s the only fair way and at every election time the subject is brought up…then goes away,,how about we all join together on one subject and push to rid this country of the electoral college crap!

paxcat

@donl51 @LARRY NIEMAN @NavyJR So, don, why do you suppose it worked before? And, “we” did not set up the voting in Afghan and Iraq, the leaders in those countries did that! Did you happen to see how well the “popular vote” worked out in Egypt??

notreallyhere

@paxcat @LARRY NIEMAN @NavyJR What worked before? the Electoral College .I’m against it..as mentioned above..and we did set up the voting system in both those countries,..as for a country in turmoil no voting system has a chance!

downenray

@LARRY NIEMAN The electoral college is a device to ensure that the individual states have a say in electing the President. It’s a good thing. It’s far better than if the election for president was determined solely by the popular vote. Smaller states wouldn’t count at all if the presidential election was based on a simple count of total votes cast throughout the nation. But this election seems to have enough votes for Obama to put the popular vote and the electoral college vote reach the same results. Would it be that way if the votes were all actual legal votes? We can’t be sure. We surely know that fraud accounts for many votes in the “swing” states.

notreallyhere

@downenray @LARRY NIEMAN iT should not be done at all on a state basis but an entire country basis..a popular vote is the fair way!..by country the USA people not those on NJ or Cal. or Del,,then all votes would be counted..

downenray

@donl51 I pointed out why it’s best that we NOT have elections winnable by majority votes. The smaller states would have no voice in such an election, which would be won by cities where more people live per square mile than in non-urban areas. Your call for elections by majority vote of all citizens is simply un-American.

NavyJR

@LARRY NIEMAN: Thanks for your service; I am too, and at this point things have so progressed along the lines of the set agenda that about all we can do right now, realistically, is prepare for WWIII. I don’t know how much you do or don’t know about what’s actually going and who’s behind it; MOST here won’t believe it even when it smacks them in the face. It’s so completely “unbelievable” and yet the evidence is all-too-clear to those who want to see it. I’ve been picking up bits and pieces for decades, and only just got the KEY to the puzzle; which simply appeared in my “snail” mailbox a few weeks back. I have an idea how it came to me, but nothing I can prove. IF you would like to follow this up, contact me at [email protected] and I’ll try to answer your questions as best I can.

LARRY NIEMAN

@NavyJR @LARRY I TRIED TO E-MAIL YOU, BUT IT WAS RETURNED,. SO PLEASE E-MAIL ME AT [email protected]. and then we can talk. thanks , LARRY NIEMAN

downenray

@NavyJR I think it very likely that we soon will find the world engulfed in another war, this time free nations fighting against Islamic nations. Islam’s goal is world dominion. Sensible people know better than to believe in Islam. It’s about time that Arabs were sent back to Arabia as had to be done so Europe could experience an earlier rebirth which resulted in several centuries now of advancement and growth of liberty.

The Crusades accomplished much good. It’s too bad we may have to do the job over again at great cost and sacrifice, and with a Muslim as head of the government in the U.S.A. Earlier crusades date back to before the U.S.A. was founded. This time it may have to be done without us if Obama isn’t impeached.

dmttbt

Who in the hell agrees with the fellow, I assumed the fellow part, that says we are more free than we have ever been. i believe they are a little sheltered to believe that. Yes we have a muslim in charge, why else would he rule the way he does, why did he bow to the iranian or whoever, why did he have F-16s sent to the Muslim brother hood. I have to ask this [erson if they knew that the reverand wright was a Muslim before taking over the church in Chicago that obama went to for so many years? What about the 3 million offered to charity if he would unseal his records. Why can we have a president or Senator or any other official that we can’t examine his records? BABA WAWA thinks donald Trump is silly for offering the three million. What is her problem with the truth. The truth shall set you free, not necessarliy.@

necrmonger

@dmttbt I seem to remember some lies G.V told about his College Military time..he didn’t relent either!!,,I thought the whole thing was assinine!!

downenray

@donl51 Your memory is faulty. President Bush did not tell “some lies” about anything at all.

notreallyhere

@dmttbt G.W,

NavyJR

@MSGT John Correa: Big Koala and Don51, both strike me as “dyed-in-the-wool” trolls here to stir trouble and not much else. They’re both clearly thoroughly inculcated with the “proper indoctrination” materials. Thanks for your service .

necrmonger

@NavyJR @MSGT There goes that wild imagination of yours again..Originally I stopped in to read about that stupid judge in AZ. and the Sharia incident then browsed the neighborhood saying nothing negative but that’s not the way I was answered,,after 2 weeks of it I figured what the hell two can play your game!!…you folks can sure as hell shell it out but getting it back makes us trolls!!..

downenray

@donl51 It would be refreshing to not have to read your remarks. If you send them to the list, we usually have to read them to see if sense has permeated nonsense.

notreallyhere

@downenray Nobody forces you to read anything..I often skip what I’m not interested in reading..

ROMNEY AND RYAN, THEY MADE A WONDERFUL PAIR, I VOTED FOR THEM, BUT this last election was the most FRAUD election i have ever seen, and GEORGE SOROS had a hand in building the ”TOUCH SCREEN”voting machines that MAL FUNCTION” . SO THIS election was FIXED, NOW WE HAVE A DICTATOR , well thats all for now, we are headed for the worst DEPRESSION that this country has ever seen, so GOD BLEE YOU , LARRY NIEMAN

And we forget that the military vote has been conviently lost or arrived late in the last 2 fraudulant elections!!!How can anyone remain in support of this man and his treasonist administration? You have be as dumb as the day is long! Obummer thinks he’s smart and is trying to play them all!, commies,muslimes and what ever crawls from under a rock! Do the women that voted for him realize how they will be treated if obummer and muslimes take over,do blacks know what kind of life they will have under muslime rule,I cannot understand how people would vote in a dictator bent on a third world mentality and law for its citizens! What in the world is wrong with their thought process????

RobertUSA

To Big Koala,

You say that these are people and we should learn to live with them….what you’re saying is that we should kiss their asses just to get along. NO WAY. You and Obama can bow all you want. Two football teams meet on the playing field….they both have to play by the same rules. If muslums want respect…then they have to learn to respect. I respect peple by deeds…not race, color, religion, social status, etc. etc. etc. I respect the office of the President of the United States…unfortunately, thye person who occupies it now hasn’t learned to earn respect…except for those who have drunk the kool-aid and are blind to his misgivings and cowardness.

NavyJR

@ don51: I do know “how it works”. Talking over the internet can work but not so well on these sites in that context.

dboyerdr

@NavyJR Under Obama America has gone from a Republic to an Ineptrocacy then a Police State. Now Obama is trying to form it into a Socialist State, then into a Dictatorship. He bought the Prsidency in 2008 then stole the 2012 election, If he now can “kill” America he will declare Martial Law and there will be no election in 2016

NavyJR

@dboyerdr There haven’t BEEN elections for decades; only an ILLUSION of them! CFR has been naming which candidates may get onto our ballots for at least a century now, and no matter which one wins, so far as “party” goes, CFR wins and America loses!

necrmonger

@NavyJR I wasn’t being nasty when I said it!!

LARRY NIEMAN

and what is OBAMA’S final goal. i was told that he was put into his place of PRESIDENT of the united states, to bankrupt the USA. and he is doing a good job of it, so in this next 4 yrs, he can finish the job, SO TELL ME WHAT THE OUT COME WILL BE, LARRY NIEMAN

dboyerdr

i,ve started some research on Executive Orders. So far I’m surprized by how many Presidents have issued them. But most of them before Obama’s grab for power E.O.s most were to correct some small glitches in our government.Obama’s have all been to gain more control over all Americans. He now controls all natural rescources,all means of communication, all means of transportation, and can declare Martial Law when ever it is his “pleasure”. Not bad for an ambitous politician who appeared just a few years ago. He is well on his way to become America’s first DICTATOR!!! He will try to find a way around the two term limit imposede by our Constitution which he says is flawed and has trampled on many occasions!!!!

dmttbt

@dboyerdr Obama said that this last election is the last time he will run. He didn’t say this is the last time he will be dictator.

dmttbt

@dboyerdr I forgot to mention if you look at Mayor Bloomburg, or governor, you will see that he is in his third term of a two term office. He is filthy rich and I doubt he has sent a check to the Treasury because he thinks rich people like him should pay more. He has however tried to ban all sodas over a certain size and so on and so on because what he believes must be correct because he has money and can do what he wants. Don’t get me wrong I don’t have anything against being rich or religous, but those two things do not give you the right to declre yourself as the one to show others how to live. They have been calling for term limits, but I thought it was to reduce the terms.

LARRY NIEMAN

YES, OBAMA is a muslim, SO PLEASE DO NOT BELEIVE ONE WORD HE SAYS, WATCH WHAT HE DOES, you watch what happens in the next 4 yrs, thank you LARRY NIEMAN

necrmonger

@LARRY NIEMAN What does your god tell you of Global Climate Change and what’s happening at an escalated pace? What does he tell you about peak oil? What does he tell you about Our desire to take control of the oil reserves no matter what..next will be water,,and our shale oil fractal mining is poisoning that water..count on a war a lot closer than 4 years,,which w. GCC will fast turn into a war of survival..where ones religion won’t mean shit!!..think about this!!…the writting’s on the wall!

Evermyrtle

@donl51 @LARRY NIEMAN Our GOD does not bite HIS tongue HE tells us the truth. You may not think so but HE , knows all about the “global Climate Change” and HE knows how to handle all situations. Satan knows this, too

Tell me something Don, why do you hate our GOD so much? I know you are an atheist, but is that reason to hate HIM. HE does not hate you and he has helped you many times because that is what HE does but there is a cut off point when HE will just leave you to you own devices. Do you worship anything, at all? Well that is not my business just it is not you business who we as Christians worship. Why are you trying to destroy our faith in HIM?. The only thing that that will get you, is an eternal home with Satan, who I am assuming you worship because you are following what he tells his people to do, perfectly.

notreallyhere

@Evermyrtle Tell me when did I say or indicate that I hated your god,,tell me ! you love to start fights!..I just don’t believe in gods!…Please refrain from further contact w/ me!! ..you’ve no idea what you’re talking about!

Evermyrtle

@donl51 Every thing indicates that you hate my GOD. There is scripture that tells us that you can tell what kind of tree is ti by the fruit it bares.I can look it up for you am copy it if you like.

necrmonger

CIAO…

LARRY NIEMAN

yes, we are getting ready for WAR. THE HOLY BIBLE refers to these LAST DAYS. and it looks like 3-4 years away, so JUST LOCK AND LOAD, GET READY FOR WAR, thank you , LARRY NIEMAN

necrmonger

@LARRY NIEMAN Obama just ordered boots on the ground in Syria..to take out Syria’s Prez. and mil. forces..if memory serves me right..they’re Muslims!!,,,or maybe I have that wrong and they’re Christians!!…

NavyJR

@donl51 Since you don’t have the full picture here, I’ll try and “paint” it: the ones PULLING ALL the strings are the Jesuits, under direct orders to eliminate the Protestant Reformation and the Jews; and by extension on the former, the US, since our Declaration and Constitution are SOLIDLY based on Protestant Reformation principles and ideals! MB, in fact much of the whole Muslim movement, especially the “Arab Spring” are contrived parts of their plan to do this! They’re TOOLS to a goal! That goal is for the POPE of ROME to rule the world from Jerusalem, WITHOUT the Messiah interfering!

NavyJR

@dboyerdr: You’re seeing O as the “OIC” in all this, and he’s NOT! We’ve been under Martial Law since Lincoln instituted it in 1861; we’ve been a dictatorship probably since Bush II took office; and certainly since O did. But they’re just the mid-level “officers” in this. First, this is global, not confined to the US; second; the people who are our true enemies are so well hidden behind fronts as to be almost invisible. And most people, even if confronted with who is behind it, won’t believe it! If you want more let me know and I’ll direct you to how to get it. There aren’t links to post; the real threat is too good for that!

LARRY NIEMAN

@NavyJR WE ALL ARE ALOWED TO BUY AND CARRY FIRE ARMS NOW, but OBAMA wants to retreive all of our guns, NOW, OBAMA thinks that he knows much better than we do about running our lives, WHAT DO YOU THINK? thank you LARRY NIEMAN

Evermyrtle

@LARRY NIEMAN @NavyJR Well, You know he does have a reason. He wants America helpless so that he can send his goons in to paralyze out worship services. He has plans to stop any worship of GOD AND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST. This horror of death of 27 people is a perfect tool to force that aim to fruition. If it takes false tears to push it through you will see more tears.

NavyJR

@Evermyrtle Not HIS goons; the ones pulling his strings are the ones holding all the power, globally right now, directly through money and indirectly through “bought-and-paid-for” politicians in “leadership” positions who do their bidding!

Evermyrtle

@NavyJR You are right! His goons are just for grooming his ego and running his errands.

NavyJR

@LARRY NIEMAN I think he’s going to try; and I think it’s going to get VERY messy and deadly here in the US!

thespaff

@LARRY NIEMAN @NavyJR I think he sucks and is the Moron of the decade.

notreallyhere

@LARRY NIEMAN @NavyJR I’m against civilians getting automatic weapons..I’m not against buying guns …he wants to take mine away he’ll have to pry them from my cold dead fingers!

NavyJR

@don51; I’m not sure to what you’re referring; I really hate trying to find posts to reply on this; once goes past the first 50; I wasn’t trying to be nasty either, so if you took some comment that way, I apologize for that.

notreallyhere

@NavyJR not important really..merry Christmas to you and yours as well…..don laface

LARRY NIEMAN

Donl 51, I am not sure , but as i said before, you can’t beleive one word OBAMA says, he is 110% for OBAMA, THANK YOU LARRY NIEMAN

notreallyhere

@LARRY NIEMAN Pretty much!

LARRY NIEMAN

YOU ARE REFERRING TO ROMNEY AND RYAN, THESE TO PEOPLE COMPLIMENT EACH OTHER, AND FOR ROMNEY, HE IS AND HAS BEEN A VERY GIVING PERSON, , and i wonder why OBAMA set up a meeting with ROMNEY after the election, ”maybe to pick his brain” seing OBAMA does not have one of his own. thank you LARRY NIEMAN

http://www.livefyre.com/auth/popup/ nick garza

For NavyJR, So there is another layer of control freaks beyond the obvious. Do tell, who are they?

LARRY NIEMAN

donl51, yes, you are wright, all of these things that you mention are correct, these things will come to pass, this all comes from 1 word, GREED, greed will DISTROY EVRERYTHING, the HOLY BIBLE tells the whole truith, if you only know how to INTERPIT IT, thank you and GOD BLESS YOU, LARRY NIEMAN

notreallyhere

@LARRY NIEMAN Wow! thanks! really..Merry Christmas to you and yours!…Greed is a real killer guess that’s why its one of the 7 deadliest sins!

LARRY NIEMAN

Sherif Joe ARPAIO is only doing his job, OBAMA does not want to stop the ILEGAL mexican IMOGRANTS to come to the UNITED STATES, and obama wants them here so they can get GREEN cards and vote for him, they do not have to read ENGLISH, but they can drive on our highways and can not read our road signs, NOW is this a good thing?, thank you LARRY NIEMAN

LARRY NIEMAN

Donl 51 ,Idon’t think you are talking to me, or you misunderstand what i am talking about, i am in no way on OBAMA’S side, OBAMA is completely WRONG, he is a MUSLIM , and a ATHEIST, and a COMMUNIST, now can you add th this, thank you and GOD BLESS YOU, LARRY NIEMAN

notreallyhere

@LARRY NIEMAN I’m not on O-bomb-its side either but he’s not muslim..and by chance he is so what? what are you? what am I?..you conservatives are so wrapped up in a persons religious choice you can’t see the forest through the trees..everyone should be what.? .Evangelico Christian..last I looked its among the smallest group of christian on the planet and a place to hang ones political hat!…a friend of mine and I whilst offroading out west went to one of those big tent evangelist sessions!!..We’re both Atheist,,and long before that both Christian as children…being at that meeting ..and attending a more recent T-party gathering in Salem county Nj sounded much the same!!….I’ve been on liberal blog sites as well and yes theres hate ,,mostly about gun control and taking everyone’s gun away which I certainly don’t go for but they couldn’t compare with this site!!..and I’m not liberal nor conservative..I’m more understanding of many more things than either group!I know why things are what they are more than ..the pigeon holed!!…but alas I’m your favorite new troll..so be it!

ConnieStanson

@LARRY NIEMAN I agree with you Larry, and I will go further and say not only is he a Muslim, he is in with the Muslim Brotherhood. He has a few in the W.H. and homeland security. Whoever would have put the M.B in the W.H much less in our Homeland Security ? Only the enemy, that’s who. and the enemy is actually in the Oval Office. America’s President (not mine though) is the biggest Terrorist and most deadliest of them all. Stay Save, my new friend and GOD be with you and yours.

VictorBarney

Just wanted to add a few CRUCIAL TRUTHS: 1. HEBREW, not EVEN GREEK, is the “ONLY” SPIRITUALLY SET-APART LANGUAGE(ZEPH. 3:9, ACTS 26:16, 1 COR. 4:6) & ALL VERSES IN SCRIPTURE CAN “ONLY” BE READ USING SCIENTIFIC DEDUCTION ALSO AS WRITTEN IN 2 Peter 1:20 & THE GREEK VERSION(NEW COVENANT) ABSOLUTELY MUST BE VERIFIED IN THE “OLD” HEBREW TEXT, ALSO AS CLEARLY WRITTEN! Thus, “YAHWEH”(YHWH) IS OUR FATHER & “YAHSHUA,” MEANING “YAHWEH MEANS SALVATION” IS YAHSHUA’S SPIRITUAL FATHER! SCIENTICIALLY HAS TO BE TRUE! FACT! Further, THE “SABBATHS”(WEEKLY & ANNUAL) ARE THE “ONLY” SIGN GIVEN TO IDENTIFY HIS PEOPLE(EXODUS 31:13) & ELDER GARY MILLER, a PHYSICS TEACHER BY PROFESSION(& ONLY TRUE SCIENCE!), HAS BEEN GIVEN YHWH’S ONLY TRUE MONTHY/ANNUAL COMMANDED CALENDER TO “KEEP” THESE COMMANDED “SABBATHS” AS COMMANDED(GET THE POINT?), THE “ONLY” SIGN EVER GIVEN U.S.(EXODUS 31:13)! ELDER MILLER’S CALENDER CAN BE FOUND THROUGH [email protected]; WHICH MEANS THAT “YOU” HAVE BEEN CALLED THIS “FIRST” GO-AROUND. NO, I DIDN’T SAY CHOSEN, BUT THAT TOO IS PREDETERMINED(Romans 8:30)! Just saying…ARE “YOU” NOW BEING “ONLY” CALLED, BUT NOT CHOSEN? THE “CHOICE”(?) IS YOURS TO MAKE:…Again, only saying what’s aready been written & our 6,000 GIVEN YEARS IS ABOUT OVER! WATCH, AS LONG AS YOU ARE “PREDETERMINED” TO DO SO…p.s. YAHSHUA DOES NOTHING WITHOUT “FIRST” WARNING HIS PEOPLE(AMOS 3:7). AGAIN: THE “SABBATHS”(WEEKLY & ANNUAL) ARE A “SIGN” OF TRUE IDENTITY FOREVER!(EXODUS 31:13)! Did I mention that ONLY 144,000 anglo-saxons will be protected this go-around from the ANTI-MESSIAH(MARXIST) OVER U.S. YES, AS HIS FATHER, OBAMA IS A MARXIST, NOT ISLAMIC, EVEN DENYING THE VERY EXISTANCE OF A SPIRITUAL WORLD! Did YOU KNOW that Obama’s father OVERTHREW the ONLY OTHER “REPUBLIC” IN THE WORLD, WHICH HAD BEEN KENYA, WHICH NOW HIS STEP-BROTHER IS THE DICTATOR? TELL ME ABOUT OUR CIA/FBI!!! DUH! “EVIL EMPIRE”

ConnieStanson

@VictorBarney What are you telling me for ? i really don’t know why ?

notreallyhere

@VictorBarney YOU BETCHA!

LARRY NIEMAN

Victor, Yes, I HAVE HEARD ALL OF THESE THINGS, THANK YOU , LARRY NIEMAN

dmttbt

I am so proud of you Bible scholars, that say which language is official according to the Bible and then you quote scripture and verse. Do you always waste your time like that? If you follow the ten commandments I say you are doing well. If you read in the Bible that this happened or that happened, it is intended to teach a lesson. I Could be wrong but didn’t Iran attack Israel and Israel kicked their ss. Then iran wanted israel to give back the land Israel had taken while Iran was attacking them. What was Iran’s intentions when they attacked Israel? They wanted to destroy them but were unable and then at the same time saying that Israel should be wiped off the face of the earth, they wanted Israel to give back the part of the country that Israel captured during the war. No matter what the Bible says happened years and years ago in Biblical times what right does that give Iran to attack Israel and loose and then say we want the property back that was lost in the war at the same time wanting Israel wiped off the map. @

maxine rwb

@dmttbt Waste time reading the bible? Sounds to me like you are a bit of a twit. It is not a waste of my time to read the bible, and if you read the bible more, you might be a nicer person, (unless of course, you are happy being a tool of Satan.) As for the fight between Iran and Israel. The Israelies were in the part of the world long, long, long beore any of the Muslims. Muslims hate anyone who does not follow their sham of a religion. They have the Okay from Muhammad to lie, cheat, steal, abuse, destroy anyone or anything that doesn’ reflect their pitiful little narrow view of life. Just think, how much better that part of the world would be, if all the muslims gave up their fake religion. I am sure that Iran will try again. This time I hope that Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iraq are melted into one giant glass covered area. They are not worth trying to convert, they are apostates and will not change.

dmttbt

@maxine rwb I am sorry your mind has been washed to the point that you cant even go to the bathroom without checking the Bible.You are taking the Bible litteraly. Bite me maxine on my satan tool.

notreallyhere

@dmttbt @maxine rwb Typical language for the moron!

downenray

@dmttbt It’s a shame that some are so unwise as to NOT check and learn from the Bible. It’s wise to learn from good teachers and the Bible is one of the best teachers available. On my web site I include rules for right reading of any printed or spoken material. http://missionoutreach.org/pbiindex.html. Unlike the Koran, the Bible teaches love and liberty as valued attributes of readers.

downenray

@maxine rwb But Maxine, in each of those nations you name there are Christians and others who are not slaves of Islam. And God loves them no less than He loves you and me. God’s plan for His world is that we who love Jesus should also love others enough to tell them about Jesus and encourage them to find LIFE in Him. This is true in Communist nations as well as Islamic. Those governments are enemies of liberty, but within each nation there are Christians and many more who would turn to Christ if they heard gospel truth. We are told to carry the gospel everywhere, with assurance that SOME who hear will change.

dmttbt

donl51 I am worried about you if you equate the Bush military to 5 million dollars to charity turned by obama to unseal his college records. 1st I don’t recall 5 million dollars to charity having been offered to charity for Bush’s military records. 2nd if there had ever been a bank robbed and I robbed one also would that be acceptable? You remind me of my father that died several years ago. He drove a city bus and was in trouble alost constantly, running ahead of time and such things. the best one was where they caught him for drinking while driving the bus, I don’t mean he had been drinking, he was holding it up showing it to people. His reasoning was because we had a Mayor that was drinking all the time then he should be able to drive a bus carrying up to 40 people and drink at the same time. That one got him fired. But when he was in trouble he would always say, yes but so in so does this and so in so does that, what did that have to do with what he caught for? Your belief is that if Bush got away without showing his military records then it is OK for obama to hide his college records. I think they will probably show that he was attending on a foreign exchange status and or getting funding because he was from Kenya. Not Haiwaii. What one has to do with the other is beyond me. Why is it acceptable to have a president without having all his records unsealed? If I get caught for driving drunk I guess I will just tell them that Bush’s military records were kept secret and they will let me go!@

maxine rwb

@dmttbt If Obozo was registered as a foreign student that means he is NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. And therefore not eligible to serve as president. I think that you need an education (out behind the woodshed) twit!

dmttbt

@maxine rwb Over here, maxine I think you must be lost what part of not a natural born citizen is it that you don’t understand. He was born in Kenya!

LARRY NIEMAN

@dmttbt @maxine rwb ok, in order to RUN for PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA both you mother and father HAVE to be NATURAL BORNCITIZENS of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, is that CLEAR ENOUGH, LARRY NIEMAN

@LARRY NIEMAN What you stated only applies when a person is born abroad must have both parents as US citizens,,Barak was born in the USA..his Mother A us citizen his father Kenyan…Stop living the god-damned lie

NavyJR

@LARRY NIEMAN One generation too far there, Larry; both parents must be CITIZENS at the time of your birth and you born on US soil; but the parents CAN be naturalized. That would also make Marco Rubio, Bobby Jindahl and Nikki Haley ineligible to run. All here legally, and became citizens, but not so at the times of their births!

NavyJR

@donl51 Once again O was NOT born in HI or any other of the 50 states in these United States! Neither were both his parents citizens; and his mother was NOT of sufficient age to confer citizenship on her born abroad child. That requires being a citizen and living in the US 5 years prior to the birth of the child past the MOTHER”s 14th birthday; she was `18 at the time of his birth. His father’s citizenship was actually still British, since Kenya was still a UK protectorate at the time of O’s birth! Oh and the “marriage” was bigamy, since he already had a wife and kids in Kenya still! There is NO evidence that O ever tried to naturalize even, so at BEST he’s a “green card wedding” legal resident alien!

notreallyhere

@dmttbt @maxine rwb Hawaii 1961

notreallyhere

@NavyJR @LARRY NIEMAN My Mom was born French in Port Said Egypt. My father was born in Jersey city nj..A Major w/ US.Army intel in Cairo when he met my mom the Egyptologist…a year later .I was born enroute on a Mil. transport ship at sea and my Birth certificate says Jersey City NJ..i AM AN American Citizen!,,,which kinda makes what you said about….wrong? perhaps!…you have any idea in a melting pot country the chances of both parents being naturally born citizens at the same time during the 40’s 50’s 60’s..and today w/ the influx of Chinese ,Hispanics .and Indians..Iraqis? Lebonese..btw Lebonese are mostly christian!! more like Europeans than Jordaneans..

NavyJR

@donl51 Not at all; your father was conferring citizenship to you and qualified to do so.. Parents DO NOT have to be NATURAL BORN, although in fact both mine were; what they MUST be is CITIZENS at the time of the birth of the person who seeks to run for POTUS,,and that person born on US soil. One or both parents can be naturalized {foreign born who came here and became citizens}. Since you were born on a military ship it is the equivalent of US soil.. HAD Obama been born here, which he wasn’t, he would at BEST have been NATIVE born, which is NOT the same as NATURAL born.

downenray

@donl51 You affirm as if it were true that Obama was born in the U.S.A. and is a native-born citizen. But the intent of that requirement is that the person would have been brought up in the U.S.A. and taught OUR history and would have become a loyal citizen of this nation. Obama fails on all counts. He was brought up as a Muslim and was taught to be loyal to Allah and then was further mistaught by Communists so that he became a Marxist and a liar and far from being loyal to this nation. He is a Muslim who was trained to be a Marxist enemy of the liberties we enjoy. He is in no way qualified to serve as our president.

downenray

@donl51 Obama may be able to convince people without any proof that he was born in Hawaii. But that he is a native-born citizen of this country is far from provable. In NO way does he fit the qualification.

downenray

@LARRY NIEMAN The requirement of being native-born implies then being raised as a patriotic citizen loving this nation. Obama was educated as a Muslim, then as a Marxist “foreign student.” He is in no way qualified to serve as our President and Commander-in-Chief of our armed forces.

notreallyhere

@maxine rwb @dmttbt I was a foreign student often as our family traveled to different countries..does this make me unamericam?…he was born in Hawaii!..well after it was made a state,,

paxcat

@donl51 @maxine rwb @dmttbt Just because someone lived in a foreign country does not mean that they qualify for “foreign student” assistance at a university as Obama did at Occidental. Maybe it was because his step father enrolled him in a Muslim Madrassa in Indonesia and made him a resident of Indonesia! DUH!

notreallyhere

@paxcat What foreign aid He’s American born in Hawaii..of an American mother! which by 1961 was a bonafide state and before that a Protectorate..please stop showing everyone how blatantly stupid you are..this is the picture I’ve been getting of the majority here these last two weeks!!

NavyJR

@donl51 Try AGAIN! Sheriff Joe’s posse could NOT turn up a BC, with a WARRANT for same, in HI; because there ISN’T one there; BUT the Kenyan Legislature, in their official records, affirmed he was born there!

notreallyhere

@NavyJR I didn’t find anything of the sort..and I checked a number of source then went back looking for more..still nothing to the contrary do suggest you go look as well unless you prefer living the lie!!

notreallyhere

@NavyJR Went to Gallup..a cross-section of Anerican was taken of some 30,000 Americans,,Gallup generally polls a lot less ..34% SAY he’s Christian, 11% say he’s Muslim..44% don’t know and 11% don’t care!!….I wasn’t called but would have said ”don’t care!I even went to a very religious news site and they could not answer that Question..I’m going back for more I find it interesting reading..prefer truth over BS,,

notreallyhere

@NavyJR..from donl51..go to search type in ‘is obamas muslim’..then look for Wikipedias ‘Barak Obamas Religion Conspiracy Theories!’….this was slightly different than the 14 I’ve visited…but the results were not as you seem to believe

paxcat

@donl51 Don, Occidental college released his foreign ad received as a “foreign” student when he attended. I am familiar with the history of Hawaii, so I don’t really need a lecture about it. Also, Obama traveled with his college roomie from Occidental into Pakistan but not on an American passport since Pakistan at that time would not allow Americans in. His SS is that of a deceased person in CT, but he has used several. You know, don, when there are just too many discrepancies in a person’s story about his/her own life, then one becomes suspicious of the veractiy of the entire thing! While I don’t like liars at all and find that people hate to be reminded they have been “fooled” (per Mark Twain), I like even less Obama’s total disregard for anyone who does not kowtow to his court. He has done a fair amount of damage in America both politically, financially and socially!

paxcat

@donl51 Should read “foreign aid”

LARRY NIEMAN

@donl51 @maxine rwb @dmttbt NO MAXINE, OBAMA was born in KENYA EAST AFRICA, and then OBAMA and his mother returned to HIWAII 4 days later, and that is why OBAMA has a CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH, not a BIRTH CERTIFICATE, thanks LARRY NIEMAN

Evermyrtle

@donl51 @paxcat I saw a copy of his birth certificate saying he was born in Kenya.

@donl51 No, he says he was born in Hawaii. His grandmother in Kenya said he was born in Kenya and she was there at his birth. The phoney birth certificate he put on the internet has been analyzed by experts and declared as being fraudulent. You are so out of touch.

@donl51 I frankly don”t care what you didn’t find; some of the reports have been suppressed since I saw them, and some never made it beyond AZ reporting; at all, because the media is owned; which included your “Gallup” friends, so not reliable; and I don’t much care that a huge percentage of the sheeple believe the lies either. I prefer the evidence that I see in front of my face to what someone else lies about! I studied Islam, along with other religious systems back in the ’60s before it was “cool” to do so! I know how they work and HE IS MUSLIM; period! Where he was born is MOOT because his last known citizenship is Indonesian; claimed still as an adult, and THEY don’t allow dual citizenship, so whatever he had when he went there he LOST there! Stanley Ann kept her American passport, but Barry was taken OFF it. Had to be; only Indonesian citizens could attend school there, and he DID attend school there! So kindly take your numbers of deluded citizens and stick them in the circular file where they belong. The EVIDENCE is that Obama is Muslim; and the facts are quite clear to those who W﻿ISH to see them.

sargentrock

@NavyJR @donl51 Once again Navy you are quite correct. And for those who may not remember it, during his interview on 60 minutes he said; “my Muslim faith” Just how much plainer would they like it to be???

notreallyhere

@paxcat @maxine rwb @dmttbt PAX A RESIDENT DOES NOT MAKE ONE A CITIZEN,,LOOK UP THE DIFFERENCE!..i WAS A ‘RESIDENT ‘ OF 5 COUNTRIES BEFORE THE AGE OF 14,,TRY AGAIN!..SORRY ‘BOUT THE CAPS ..KEY WAS ON..THAT’S LIFE!

notreallyhere

@Evermyrtle @paxcat tHERE are a lot of bogus things floating around to discredit the man..if he was not a us citizen do you think for one moment he’d even have been concidered?? are you all that stupid?

@Florida Girl I have found so far evidence from 17 sites incl. the US census statistics!!..I have nothing to gain by searching for reference other than truth in History..I don’t care for him and his Fascist dictator actions!!

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

@donl51 There again you fail in your research. He was never vetted as he should have been. The main stream media were in his pocket and still are. Also when he entered the Senate, there was no one running against him – he slid right in, inelligibility and all. There are big, wealthy organizations behind this man-the one who thinks there are 57 states, who spoke in a national interview about his mumlin faith, whose wife gave a speech and mentioned Barack’s home country, Kenya. He has made so many mistakes with American history and gaffes in speeches but the press just let him go. It almost sounds like Jay Leno’s portion of his show called “Jay Walking”. Amazing how ignorant the populace has become. If any opposition mentions the misinformation, the media act as if they have three heads or something for speaking up or questioning the mistake that was made. The Democratic Party has really dumbed down and accept whatever their political machine feeds them.

notreallyhere

@paxcat @maxine rwb @dmttbt When you were growing up..how many other than the US,,countries did you reside in?…I had Israelli students in numerous of my classes who received ‘foreign student’ assistance.,..while numerous American citizens couldn’t get ..’student assistance’ to get into classes!!

notreallyhere

@NavyJR Then write your congressman and everyone else email Hannity..raise a stink!!..lets get to the bottom of this I say rather than beating one another to death here!!..you folks all think alike know one another ..get them all together and make your voice heard to the Conservative party!!..they have the clout and money to get answers and spread it across the news!!,,then Obama will have no choice but to step down!!

notreallyhere

@Florida Girl Main stream media you mean CNN ,Fox and ,,those 2 are the worst were in his pocket?? you are kidding me right?? the ones that shoot him down the most???

NavyJR

@donl51 Wikipedia is NOT what I’d deem a reliable source on information since it’s only whatever someone WANTS to enter, whether factual or not; and Snopes, if you’re thinking of going there, are solidly in the tank for O.

NavyJR

@Evermyrtle So have I: Coast General Hospital in Mombasa, and a video of a legislative session in Nairobi shortly after the ’08 elections in which one of the legislators, ON the record, declared great pride that a Kenyan born man could be elected to the Presidency of the US!

NavyJR

@sargentrock Beats the hell out of ME! Draw them pictures, or bow to Mecca and recite his prayers in Arabic, maybe… EVERYTHING he’s done sure shouts it loud and clear!

NavyJR

@donl51 CFR has been deciding who went onto the ballots here since at least before WILSON got on; and THEY don’t much care for or about our Constitution, so yes I do think that’s how he got on our ballots. Even Pelosi only declared him “Constitutionally” eligible to HI; not to any of the other 49 states in the union! She signed his “eligibility certifications” on behalf of the DNC for the ’08 elections.

NavyJR

@donl51 To what point? They’re all CFR members or advocates and supporters, so going along with the agenda, or they wouldn’t be IN the offices! Even if there were enough in the House to do anything, there aren’t in the Senate and the media is owned by the same puppet masters as are controlling the CFR, Obama, and many other “faces” of our government! There isn’t a “Conservative” party. And the clout and money are held and controlled by various of the Jesuits’ front organizations, not just in the US, but globally.

downenray

@donl51 If Obama was in fact born in Hawaii he might reasonably be expected to have a birth certificate from Hawaii. He has posted an obviously faked certificate, which causes us to suppose if there were a genuine one, he would have put a copy of it on his web site. To put an obviously false one there causes us to suppose there is NO true birth certificate available.

downenray

@donl51 Yes, for a moment and for all time, I think he was considered and accepted by politicians who knew he was not qualified and didn’t care.

downenray

@donl51 The party which had a chance to defeat Obama’s re-election is the Republican Party. No other party has or had any chance to do so. I talked today to two voters who felt they couldn’t in good conscience vote for Romney. It appears they believed the propaganda pushed out at great expense by the Democrats.

dmttbt

@maxine rwb Please meet me out behind the wood shed you self richouse Bible thumper. Please don’t point out any of my spelling or mistakes in gramar, you are busty saving the world. Really, get help. I meet people like you all the time, the ones who think they know everything and everyone else knows nothing. Oh I understand, you really believe that obamas birth certificate was real. The number sequence was of and there were certain words or word that were on it that didn’t start using on birth certificates untill years later. I am sure that you are so proud of obama because he was a community organizer before a politician. Do you picture him out inthe community teaching how to build shelves and how to sit things on the shelves? What exactly do you think he was doing during that time? Who was he working for?

notreallyhere

@dmttbt Sounds like a sad story about your Dad,,though he and I share no similarity’s and what I said about the BS concerning Bush and Obama is and was just that! BS! in this country to be President you must be American born..religion was never an issue as this country is the worlds melting pot of all types of people..certain peoples brought their religious practices that were against our laws the most recent influx are the Muslim and Sharia law is is against our laws,,the father and the judge broke that law and both should be incarcerated,,,not all Muslims are the same or believe in the same thing..neither are all Christians the same or Jews!…so what I hear here is kill all Muslims!

LARRY NIEMAN

@dmttbt YES, you are right, but it was DONALD TRUMP that offered to give 5 million to chariety, and OBAMA has spent 1.5 million dollars to conseal his records, so what is he hiding, thank you LARRY NIEMAN

SamCrisp

@dmttbt BIGGEST SCAM ON THE UNITED STATES EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

notreallyhere

@dmttbt It’s good to be worried we have quite a bit to worry about..this isn’t it though..Global Climate Change is a biggie,,the mounting war for oil followed by the continued war for humanities survival..and w/ a divided America I don’t see much of a chance of our survival!,,do you?

downenray

@donl51 With Obama in the White House I see little possibility of survival of this nation. When he has already done so much damage to us in four years, it was sheer folly to give him four more years! It almost seems essential that patriots secede from the U.S.A. which is now owned by enemies of liberty. As for oil, we have plenty of it in the U.S.A. so that there is no need whatever to be buying it from enemy nations. But Obama has prevented access to our own oil and gas.

Despite what he has done, we’ve uncovered vast resources even he can’t keep us out of, but whether the shale deposits are located in states which will secede is not certain. It would be best if we could get rid of our Democrat enemies and restore ourselves to being a patriotic nation. Can we do so? It doesn’t seem likely. We don’t want to break up the U.S.A. and that seems to be what must be done if we are to retain loyalty to our Constitution.

maxine rwb

@dmttbt What a lovely retort. Resorting to crude and offensive language as if that would matter to me. You are one big piece of merde in a porcine pool.

dmttbt

donl51 You sir are completely ignorant, you believe what obama says about we will stand firm and all that crap and then he turns around and sends F-16s to the Muslim brotherhood. Yes I am going to agree with those who said that voting should be restricted. You should never be allowed to vote!

notreallyhere

@dmttbt I reported what I got off the news including Fox news !..you’re killing the messenger!..I didn’t vote this time around nobody worth the trip!…F-16’s are older jet fighters used in Vietnam and they’re going to our paid for allies Saudi Arabia!!..I’m not too fond of that either! btw!

Truth goes 100 mph

@donl51 @dmttbt

Truth goes 100 mph

@donl51 @dmttbt Actually, F-4 Phantoms were used in Vietnam among other aircraft. The F-16 was not used until many years later. You screwed the pooch.

@donl51 I suspect you mean the F-14 Tomcats which were in use in Vietnam.

downenray

@donl51 That you were wrong is obvious. But you wrote just as if you knew what you were writing about! You claim to be an expert and one who knows. That’s why I say I hope no one believed what you wrote.

notreallyhere

@NavyJR yup!

notreallyhere

@downenray I’m an expert at only one thing and that is in my art otherwise I never claimed to be an expert ,actually I often say ,I mke my share of mistakes vand can’t answer a given question as I don’t know ….you make up things most here do..its to antagonize or you really do believe the shit you spew!….lots of intelligent people here ..too bad there are also a lot of closed minds!

downenray

@donl51 You want us to believe foolishness. When we don’t you say we’re stupid. You define the truth as being something other than truth. We do close our minds to stupidity for we seek truth and treasure truth.

NavyJR

@donl51 Those are still in use; and more of them went to EGYPT just last Friday!

notreallyhere

@NavyJR We sell everything but our very latest mil tech to anybody!..but most prefer the AK-47’S to our M-16’s,,so we sell CHinese made AK’S

elki

how do we have a muslim president when we are at war with muslims? explain that. we need to place him under house arrest let him prove his eligibility. its the only way. passport social security, college entrance records. the burden o fproof is with him. he must prove his americanship.. we cannot prove what he is not,

but how can it be done? Real American congressmen, media are protecting this imposter. outreageous

LARRY NIEMAN

@elki OBAMA IS COVERING HIS ASS, just wait and see what happens in the next 3.5 yrs. WHEN ISRAEL goes to war with IRAN, OBAMA will back IRAN, AND THEY ARE MUSLIM. thank you LARRY NIEMAN

Evermyrtle

@LARRY NIEMAN @elki You are correct and I am not aware of America fighting Muslims. We have welcomed them and give them a place ahead of Americans.

downenray

@LARRY NIEMAN Why do you think we’ll have even three years more with Obama as our President? Our enemies will have attacked us sooner than three years from now, and Obama will have surrendered to overwhelming force since he has already done a great deal to weaken our armed forces. We’d better not plan on having as much as three years in which to separate the wheat from the chaff and be prepared to defend freedom from a new and separate nation still loyal to the constitution of the U.S.A. Obama has no use for the Constitution, but does hold the title of commander-in-chief of our armed forces and is still daily running the nation farther into unpayable debts.

notreallyhere

@elki Fox news is protecting him they’re really a two-faced outfit!

downenray

@donl51 You surely do like to lie and misrepresent things. I hope no one believes you any more.

notreallyhere

@downenray That’s a mighty large accusation from such a small minded man..watch out I might have Zeus throw lightening bolts at you!

downenray

@elki The “hidden” documents will prove that he is not qualified to serve even one day as president of the U.S.A. If we would be able to demand that he prove his native-citizen status, the next thing would be to remove him from office and remove every one of his executive regulations which cripple our economy and, of course, Obamacare which is ruining our healthcare.

notreallyhere

@downenray @elki if they’re hidden dopey how the hell do you know what they say sport…your bible and god right!!

downenray

@donl51 I believe I know why Obama seeks to hide his college records. Why do YOU think he does so? Do you see some reason why an honest person would need to hide these records?

notreallyhere

i checked out half a dozen sites concerning Oboma..He’ s Christian..not Muslim..His mom’s christian just not overly. in practice born midwest USA! his father was a devout Atheist, born Kenyan..,my kinda man,,he died in an ’82 car crash ..had devorced Baraks mom not long after Barak was born,..only contacted his son once in that time period,,Baraks mom remarried a Christian several years after her devorce !!..I strongly suggest you all do the same rather than continue living the lie and perpetuating your stupidity!!

NavyJR

@donl51 His mother’s religion was communism; and so was his maternal grandparents’. And yes, that IS a religion; the state is deity! His father and step/adoptive father were both Muslims and so was O raised; you don’t leave Islam without a fatwa for your death on you! There isn’t one on O. Pakistani clerics, a year ago September, nominated him to be world Caliph, which they would NEVER have done with an apostate either! O is MUSLIM, no matter what the lap-dog media print to the contrary!

notreallyhere

@NavyJR Then Capitalism and Socialism and Democracy are religions as well,….his bio father was Muslim then changed to Atheist before Barak was born..his step father was a mix ,muslim to not practicing any religion..I found nothing that said his mom was communist but did find she was a christian,,I was a Christian then went Atheist but was probably always Socialist thinking!!….do you honestly believe he could fool the GOP and all them this long?

NavyJR

@donl51 His mom was RAISED Communist by her parents. They’d been “forced” to move several times because of it; remember the McCarthy hearings? Her father was eluding that. O’s father may have gone “atheist” or claimed that but that side of the family is STILL heavily Muslim and Communist. Socialism is a spectrum with Fascism at one end and Communism ala Stalin at the other, so yes it is a religion. Capitalism is not.. If you rely on the lap-dog media for your information, you’ll miss a lot that’s important.

notreallyhere

@NavyJR Well when you’re talking w/ me you’re talking to a Socialist..

downenray

@donl51 It’s absurd to claim that since Islam is more than a religion that Capitalism and Socialism and Democracy are religions as well. Capitalism is merely a governing theory that people should be free to create and operate businesses which THEY own and profit from. Democracy is a governing theory which allows all citizens equally to have a voice in government. Socialism is a governing theory that a government should own and operate all businesses, with bureaucrats in charge in every case. Islam is a governing theory that their clerics should control every aspect of the nation. But Christianity is not about civil government at all. It’s about how Christians are to live in any kind of government, paying taxes as required, and serving IN a government if that’s possible, but with equality for every citizen.

downenray

@donl51 Honesty is the best policy. It’s too bad we have to listen to propaganda from any Socialist or Muslim pen.

LARRY NIEMAN

@donl51 WELL WELL, You managed to get some of that right, except, OBAMA is a MUSLIM and a ATHEIST, LOOK IT UP ON THE INTERNET, HE IS VERY PROUD TO BE A MUSLIM. thanks and GOD BLESS YOU, LARRY NIEMAN

Evermyrtle

@LARRY NIEMAN @donl51 I saw a video where Obama said he was a Muslim.

notreallyhere

@LARRY NIEMAN thats like saying he’s a catholic and an Atheist!!..I looked it up..where’d you look it up ?at ‘The Last Resistance’ site?…and stop w/ the god blessing!..w/ me!!

downenray

@LARRY NIEMAN True Muslims (Moslems) are atheists indeed, convinced that the Creator God is not Allah, the Arabian moon god. Therefore, they do not believe in the true God even though they claim that the two totally different beings are both the same. The Creator God is a God of love. The Arabian moon god is a god of hatred. Opposites.

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

@donl51 Excuse me, but you are the one displaying stupidity. You need to seriously do your research again. Obama may say he is a Christian until Jesus comes again, but his policies and actions belie that declaration. His mother was a socialist. She and Obama Sr did not live together in Hawaii. She remarried and he was a muslim. I suggest that you are the one living the lie and perpetuating your stupidity by refusing to look at research documents that prove what you are saying to be false. If you disagree with 99% of the people on this blog, why do you continue to respond and stir up the waters? Seems like that is your purpose. With my belief system, I would not visit a liberal/progressive site and just fight with people who are never going to be persuaded that they are wrong and I was right. You are running your mouth in the wrong place, and you are cutting people down and insultling them. We could agree to disagree without rude interaction, but that does not seem to be your style. Why are you continuing to post here, except to cause a disturbance. That is obvious. You have your head so screwed on backwards, you don’t even make sense. Please do your homework. You really sound ignorant spouting the untruths you do. We are not uninformed on the subject of BHO. You may be too far gone to help, but at least try to educate yourself before you speak. It’s hard to read your crap.

sargentrock

@Florida Girl @donl51 HIP HIP HOORAY for you young lady

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

@sargentrock Thank you, sir. It’s just too much – couldn’t keep quiet on that one. Strain at a gnat, swallow a camel.

sargentrock

@Florida Girl You are quit welcome… Its nice to see someone with some intelligence respond to donkey51 and the rubbish he has been spewing out… It gives me the same reaction it gives you….

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

@sargentrock I like the new handle you gave – it really is fitting. LOL.

notreallyhere

@sargentrock @Florida Girl ‘quite’

paxcat

@donl51 Please name the “half dozen sites” that he’s a Christian. His mother was a communist as was her father. He used to have whiskey fests which included Mom in compromising poses for Frank Marshall’s (grandpa’s good friend and Obama mentor) interest in porn. His father was Muslim and died drunk in a car crash as the driver. He was married already when he married Obama’s mother. She then married Mr. Sotero, an Indonesian Muslim who was a fairly wealthy Indonesian businessman, but she longed for the anti-colonial sentiments and communist sentiments of her father and first husband. So, Mr. donl51, please stop revising history! As a avowed historian, you should be choking on your fictions!

notreallyhere

@paxcat I believe I’d mentioned one site..but why should I do for you what you could easily do for yourself?…IT would much more rewarding as well..

downenray

@donl51 You checked out half a dozen sites concerning Obama and learned nothing, it seems. His ACTIONS are what tell us he’s not a Christian, and the sites you checked apparently didn’t mention what he has DONE which prove he is not a Christian. No Christian would seek to ruin this nation. Obama, from the day he took office has tried to ruin us, and is well on the way to succeeding. If he is allowed to continue each day driving us farther into debt, how does anyone think we’ll be able to repay all he’s borrowed for the U.S.A. to repay? And he keeps at it. Every day in every way driving us nearer and nearer to destruction. Wanting to disarm us so we can be taken over by anyone, as is obvious in his actions and in his removing from office the armed forces officers who are patriotic and honest. He’s very close to ruining us already, and we’ve just given him permission to finish the job. That’s why it seems to me that we have no choice but to have patriotic states secede from the union he’s ruining. Then all true citizens will move their families and businesses into the new nation which seeks to remain true to the U.S.A. constitution. That will free Obama’s followers to begin earning their own way and supporting Obama in the style he’s now used to.

notreallyhere

@downenray I learned quite a lot actually and years ago when I read into the bible a good deal i also learned quite a bit,,that’s why I went full Atheist!

101st Nam Grunt

Liberals,Socialists what ever what they call themselves. The truth is not part of their message. It’s about goverment running their lives. Because they are too stupid to make decisions on their own.

LARRY NIEMAN

@101st Nam Grunt YES, OBAMA , thinks that HE can run your life BETTER than you can, OBAMA wants to be our DICTATOR, well, quess what? HE can take that idea and STICK IT WHERE THE SUN DON’T SHINE, thank you and GOD BLESS. LARRY NIEMAN

maxine rwb

@dmttbt I have no idea why you consider me a bible thumper. I also do not know why you bothered to respond to me. (Over here, maxine I think you must be lost what part of not a natural born citizen is it that you don’t understand. He was born in Kenya) This is an example of what you said I mentioned. THAT WAS NOT AT ALL WHAT I SAID, I SAID HE WAS REGISTERED IN COLLEGE AS A FOREIGN BORN STUDENT. THAT MEANS THAT HE IS NOT ELIGIBLE TO BE IN THE WHITE HOUSE. richouse (Should have read righteous) busty saving the world. (Should have read busy). I didn’t say you didn’t know anything, but you are in serious need of re-education. A trip to the woodshed would help you greatly. FOR YOUR ENLIGHTENMENT, I DETEST OBOZO AND ALL OF HIS MINIONS. THEY ARE MERELY CHICAGO THUGS. AND I HAVE A CURE FOR THEM. I just can’t print it here.

point out any of my spelling or mistakes in gramar, you are busty saving the world. Really, get help. I meet people like you all the time, the ones who think they know everything and everyone else knows nothing.

LARRY NIEMAN

@maxine rwb @dmttbt MAXINE, someone calling you a BIBLE thumper should be a COMPLIMENT, the HOLY BIBLE is the book of TRUTH, we agree that OBAMA is not worth a S*&^H#$%I(*&T(8. so we need to get him IMPEACHED, thank you LARRY NIEMAN

Evermyrtle

@LARRY NIEMAN @maxine rwb @dmttbt You know, I had not thought about like that but doggone you are right. Thanks for opening my eyes, even thpugh this post was not for me. I have been called a “Bible Thumper” by anti-GOD people.

Pazuzu

Whoever controls the language, wins the debate. Right now the moslems are controling the language and this must end, or our country will. Obama and his sycophants in DC and the media do EVERYTHING they can to hamstring our military.

NavyJR

@ sargentrock: First, thank-you for your service. Second, thank-you for honoring your oath still; I know, there’s no expiration date on mine either. Now for the hard part: this situation is so much more extensive and entrenched than most even have a clue about; and that was quite deliberate. It’s to the point now that we have no organization, no fiscal or political clout sufficient to stop it happening before our eyes. Yes, we can and should hold to our principles and stand against it, but like the guys on Wake and Corregidor did, in the understanding that we’re a stop-gap, and not going to defeat it.. ONLY an overt act on the part of God is powerful enough now to do that! The enemy has all the fiscal and political power, globally; despite appearances that it’s different factions! If you wish more, let me know, and I’ll give you contact info.

sargentrock

@NavyJR Once again, you are right on. Everything we see coming from the socialist/marxists in Washington is pointing toward, at the very least, martial law and at the worse a civil war in our beloved nation. I pray God forbid that, but I also believe you are correct in that is going to take an act of God to alter the direction we are presently traveling.

NavyJR

@sargentrock We haven’t been out from under martial law since Lincoln instituted it in `1861. O WILL be ramping it back up, you can bank on that! And if there’s an effort to disarm Americans, there almost certainly will be a Civil War. But this is a global thing and it’s not just we who are targeted!

ConnieStanson

@sargentrock @NavyJR I want to Thank You for serving this once great Nation. All those lives we lost and all the ones who came home so messed up, physically, and mentally, my heart goes out to them, and you. As far as the idiot in chief, he is definitely a Muslim tied with the Brotherhood. he hates America and will soon show us his intent. GOD Bless us all. Stay Safe, Stay Alert, and Pray. Pray for America, and Pray for all the Good in this messed up world. We don’t have much of it left. Remind people that the idiot in our oval office want’s us divided. Tell them not to let this happen. United We Stand, Divided We Fall. GOD Be With You and Yours.

sargentrock

@ConnieStanson @NavyJR AMEN….

LARRY NIEMAN

YES, I think we are headed for a CIVIL WAR, and OBAMA is going to be at the top of the list, these MUSLIM RADICALS want to take over the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, not a chance, they are messing with to many loyal citizens, and OBAMA is butting his ASS in the fire, thank you, LARRY NIEMAN

VictorBarney

@LARRY NIEMAN Larry, as I said above, we’re NOT that lucky! We’re going to get PUNISHED SEVERELY BY THE TWO-WITNSSES OF REVELATION, LEAVING ONLY 144,000 ANGLO-SAXONS ALIVE AFTER 3 1/2 YEARS & THEN AFTER ONLY 3 1/2 DAYS MORE WILL PUNISH ALL REMAINING GENTILES WITHIN ONE(1) HOUR! IT IS WRITTEN & WILL BE DONE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT!

LARRY NIEMAN

HAVING OBAMA IMPEACHED and arested , is in motion as we talk, PLEAS JOIN THE TEA PARTY PATRIOTS, AND THEY AND SHERIF JOE ARPAIO will share with you what is taking place now, OBAMA is not off the hook, HE IS IN DEEP SHIT, LARRY NIEMAN

LARRY NIEMAN

I TRULY BELEIVE that this last election was a fraud, between OBAMA ANS SOROS, they fixed the entire election. LARRY NIEMAN

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

@LARRY NIEMAN I believe this also. Incidentally, I read that Soros had something to do withowning the company who made the voting machines we purchased. Here in Florida, especially in St. Lucie County where Allen West was up against fraud also, a vote cast for Romney automatically showed up as a vote for Obama. Now something was wrong with those machines. Allen West asked that the voting machines be impounded and examined. This did not happen. Also a partial, unexplained recount was done in the middle of the night when Allen West had the lead. The reason never was given for this partial recount. Allen West lost to Patrick Murphy and money from all over the country was diverted to Palm Beach County to ensure that Allen West lost, they lied and misrepresented Murphy as a small business man. Well, time in the House of Representatives will show what Patrick Murphy has to offer and it seems his family’s business and money directs his actions.

Evermyrtle

@Florida Girl @LARRY NIEMAN West could not have been beaten fairly, No way!!

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

@Evermyrtle @LARRY NIEMAN That’s right. Allen West was our Congressman for District 22 (mine in Palm Beach County) for the last two years. We love him. Talented, knowlegeable,well-spoke, take no crap from anyone – love him! When he moved and ran in another District (in St. Lucie County) , we expected he would win hands down. The whole Democratic machine came down on him as they did any other Republican who spoke the truth and were a threat to their agenda. They funneled big $$$ into defeating them. I was very disappointed but Col. West will not sit idlely by. He will be working for the people of the United States in a different way for a while. A true patriot and I respect him and his family for all of the trash talk they endured, even published documents with his social security number on it. All sorts of dirty tricks – it just makes him look better and brighter than his competition. He is so intelligent and talented – can’t say enough good things about him.

Evermyrtle

@Florida Girl @Evermyrtle @LARRY NIEMAN Christians across the country should be in prayer for him and othere who will stand against evil the way he has.

NavyJR

@Florida Girl West is a GEM; and was one of VERY FEW in Congress who wasn’t following the AGENDA; which makes me think he may have avoided membership in the CFR; but THEY are who kept him from re-election; not the Dems. Dems are merely a tool, and CFR is not even the wielder; they’re a “higher up the chain” tool is all.

LARRY NIEMAN

OK, THIS IS WHAT I JUST EXPLAINED, OBAMA was born in KENYA east africa , AND 4 DAYS LATER he and his mother returned to HIWAII, and their he was given a CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH, bacause he was not BORN IN HIWAII, thank you ,LARRY NIEMAN

LARRY NIEMAN

dmttpt, I AGREE 100% WITH YOU, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, I AM A NAVY VET. this govt has gone to hell in a hand basket, we all need to stand against OBAMA an his thugs, thank you and GOD BLESS YOU, LARRY NIEMAN

VictorBarney

The answer will be WHEN the two-witnesses of Revelation, chapter 11 come as written to WITNESS “AGAINST” U.S. for 3 1/2 YEARS, LEAVING ONLY 144,000 ANGLO-SAXON AMERICANS ALIVE WITH THE TRIBE OF JOSEPH REPLACING THE TRIBE OF DAN AS BEING PROTECTED DURING THE TIME PERIOD COMMONLY CALLED “JACOB’S TROUBLE!” IN THIS, REVELATION CHAPTERS 7 & 11 ARE QUITE CLEAR! DID I MENTION THAT 3 1/2 DAYS AFTER THESE TWO-WITNESSES ARE KILLED & “PRESENTS” GIVEN OUT, OUR “SAVIOR” & HIGH PRIEST “YAHSHUA”(NOT “JESUS!”) RETURNS AND TOTALLY DESTROYS ISLAM WITHIN ONE(1) HOUR! WATCH, IF YOU’RE ONE OF THE VERY “FEW” AMERICAN’S STILL ALIVE, THAT IS…! REMEMBER, OUR HEBREW-INSPIRED CREATOR “YAHWEH” DOES NOTHING WITHOUT FIRST WARNING HIS PEOPLE THROUGH HIS PROPHETS(Amos 3:7), OR THAT I WILL REVEAL MY NAME TO MY PEOPLE AS WRITTEN in ISAIAH(Yeshayahu) 52:6. I could go on & on talking about the ALL THE “LIES” GIVEN YAHWEH’S PEOPLE BY ALL THE “CHRISTIAN” CHARLATANS, BUT NOBODY WOULD BELIEVE ME, EVEN THOUGH I SPEAK YAHWEH’S WORD, AS HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON & OUR SAVIOR & HIGH PRIEST YAHSHUA & ELDER GARY MILLER; THAT IS: “ONLY USING THE PROCESS OF “SCIENTIFIC DEDUCTION” AS COMMANDED IN 2 PETER 1:20 WHEN READING SCRIPTUAL PASSAGES TO YOU, AS I SAID, DOES ELDER GARY MILLER AT [email protected]; OH, BY THE WAY, YAHWEH ALSO SPOKE HEBREW((ACTS 26:14) AND HE GAVES US HIS SABBATHS SIGN(WEEKLY 7th DAY, NOT 1ST & HIS ANNUAL SABBATHS), ONLY AVAILABLE THROUGH ELDER MILLER! DID I MENTION, ALSO THE “SABBATHS SIGN” IS THE ONLY “SIGN” EVER TO BE GIVEN U.S & MY RESEARCH AS CLINICALLY PROVEN THAT ELDER GARY MILLER HAS THE “ONLY” SUCH “DATES” THAT ARE CORRECT TO KEEP THESE COMMANDED “SIGN SABBATHS!”

notreallyhere

@VictorBarney Great!

Pazuzu

Obama IS a moslem. He said he used to ‘cut up’ in koran class at the madrassa where he went to school in Indonesia, He wears a gold ring with the shahada(moslem expression of faith) on it. He zealously does everything he can to help the moslem brotherhood restore the Caliphate, speaks arabic like a native, thinks the moslem call to prayer is the most beautiful sound on earth, &c. Nawww he’s not a moslem…c’mon y’all, really.

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

@Pazuzu You are so right. All of this is well documented.

notreallyhere

@Pazuzu The term Moslem is no longer used and concidered derogatory to Islam..

vinagaroon

@donl51 ” The term Moslem is no longer used and concidered derogatory to Islam..” So what?

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

@donl51 Just a matter of clarity here – Where do we document that Moslem is considered derogatory to Islam? Just looked up the word Muslim From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia A Muslim, also spelled Moslem,[1] is an adherent of Islam, a monotheistic Abrahamic religion based on the Qur’an—which Muslims consider the verbatim word of God as revealed to prophet Muhammad—and, with lesser authority than the Qur’an, the teachings and practices of Muhammad as recorded in traditional accounts, called hadith. “Muslim” is an Arabic word meaning “one who submits to God”.

notreallyhere

@Florida Girl Somebody back a bit used the word Moslem..I knew the difference ..so I informed him..then later verified my memory..on line!..it wasn’t the main wikipedia I dug deeper and got the term..I not only taught world history I loved reading it as well almost as much as my art!

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

@donl51 That’s interesting…we can do things that are offensive and not even be aware of it. Teaching world history sounds interesting. I only went two years to Jr. College so didn’t get to study world history but I love watching documentaries on TV. You refer to your art – painting??

notreallyhere

@Florida Girl oils and mixed metal sculpture..

downenray

@donl51 I didn’t need to look at Wikipedia to know that Moslem or Muslim both refer to adherents to Islam and are both still appropriate descriptors for such people. Of course it’s derogatory. Islam is a sham. It’s no religion at all. It’s a political group claiming to be a religion. But my, how they gather to “pray.” As publicly as possible. Five times daily if allowed. Interfering with traffic if possible. Showing off. Seeking to scare non-Muslims in any way possible. And how quick they are to murder as many unbelievers as possible in any way it can be done. Derogatory? Spell that “honestly.” Islam is a terror organization and should be banned from polite society. It is not a “religion” that should be allowed in a free society. It’s aim is to conquer the world and force every person to become submissive to “Allah” as explained by the leaders of that political party.

notreallyhere

@downenray Yeah I’m sure there ray you’re all knowing like god your creator!!and if I mispelled a word I’m no damn different than anybody else here who mispells makes typos or simply can’t write..,go back to your bible!!

downenray

@donl51 A Christian is one who believes that Jesus is the annointed one of God and lives for Him. A Moslem is one who is loyal to Mohammed. Indeed it’s derogatory since it’s true that Mohammed was a terrible and powerful tyrant, not fit for decent society to even speak of.

downenray

@donl51 The truth about the religion calling itself Islam is derogatory. Their Arabian moon god is hateful and mean and cruel, urging members of the Islamic faith to murder all “unbelievers.” The Koran is called by them a “holy” book. It’s a ridiculous excuse for anything holy, urging death for unbelievers. What a religion that is! Death to the unbelievers. That’s the aim. And slavery for their women is what the Koran teaches. It’s a despicable religion which should be banned in any free nation.

ConnieStanson

@Pazuzu Yes he is a Muslim and with the Brotherhood, he has even placed them in the most high raking jobs in the government. including our national security.

notreallyhere

@ConnieStanson @Pazuzu Yeah Connie I heard that they plan to bring into their fold all of the conservative party as this party wants god and religion to lead its Gov, like Iran!!

NavyJR

@donl51 They already hold high places in our government!

downenray

@donl51 We Conservatives are Republicans and no doubt will continue to be so. We are not Islamic. We appreciate that this nation has always been godly until Obama became our President. We see that it may be necessary, since Obama has another four-year chance at ruining us, that the ones who do love God may have to form a separate nation, leaving behind Washington, D.C. and returning to the intents and dreams of the founders of the U.S.A.

When we see no way of saving this nation, is there any choice but to form a different nation loyal to what our founders were loyal to? Obama is an enemy of liberty and our nation re-elected him. I talked today with two voters who are proud that they wouldn’t vote for Romney even though they knew that would mean they were in effect voting for Obama. They didn’t agree with everything Romney stood for, so they let the Muslim continue ruining us.

LARRY NIEMAN

OK, Girl Florida, I beleive what you are saying is correct, and this past election was a fraud, so thank you for confirming that, thank you , LARRY NIEMAN

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

@LARRY NIEMAN Yes Larry. This whole election was a sham. We haven’t even mentioned the people that Democrats recruited by the bus loads to vote in more than one precinct. That’s a whole other subject. Today on TV I heard Democratic spokesperson/sympathizers saying that Republicans are still saying that the election was stolen by ACORN, which he said had been disbanded. They all had a good laugh around the discusiion table about this. Well, they may have tried to disband it, but it grew into many splinter groups with same people, same objectives and the bare bones of ACORN still exist if I’m not mistaken and are still receiving gov’t funds. They really think we are this uninformed and nieve. Think back, Obama had consigned ACORN to help with the last census. That is the fox guarding the hen house if I’ve ever seen it. They are still at work, and if you believe they have been done away with these illegal organizations and tactics, they have not.

notreallyhere

@Florida Girl @LARRY NIEMAN Whole deal sounds just like when Bush won over that Dem chucklhead in 2000

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

@donl51 @LARRY NIEMAN I still am amazed by that outcome, but am oh so happy after the fact that Al Gore did not win. It wasn’t fun at the time and we were concerned that not all our votes were being counted (hanging chads and all). But after 9/11 I thought George W. found his pace and handled the situation like a President should have. Can’t really see Al Gore being so strong a leader. Even though I ddn’t vote for G.W., I admired his presence and dedication to make the terriorists look over their shoulder for the rest of their lives. Because they knew we were coming after them.

NavyJR

@Florida Girl Ever watch a “reality” show on TV? They’re as scripted and choreographed as the ones that make no such claims; and we’re living the biggest “reality show” on EARTH right now!

@big koala The members of Acorn are very much alive and active in politics in many places today. Yes, the now use different names for their organizations. But they’re the same people doing the same illegal things even if they don’t dare use the Acorn name.

notreallyhere

@downenray @big koala Nope they ain’t there Ray!!…read that bible and learn the truth!!

NavyJR

@big koala ACORN changed names, broke up into smaller groups and continues to operate to this day, business as usual!

downenray

@donl51 You suggest I read the Bible and there learn truth about nuts? To learn about the organization once called Acorn, we need to discover which of the replacements using different names have the same objectives as Acorn did. There are several, all receiving grant money to do ungodly things.

LARRY NIEMAN

downenrae. this past election was nothing less than FRAUD, just like OBAMA in our white house, THANK YOU AND god bless, LARRY NIEMAN

LARRY NIEMAN

donl51 it was a CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH, not a BIRTH CERTIFICATE, their is a huge difference, thank you LARRY NIEMAN

big koala

@LARRY NIEMAN A certificate of live birth is precisely a birth certificate. What else would it be?

downenray

@big koala A birth certificate says the person was born there. A certificate of live birth says the person was born who knows where. Somewhere, but not necessarily at the place which issued the certificate of live birth.

NavyJR

@thespaff: If you’re referring to Obama, I wish he was simply a moron! He’s NOT the “genius” he believes himself to be; but he’s not stupid either; and he IS cunning. But he’s ALSO a TOOL for the real “shadow government” that’s running our nation!

Foxtrap

@NavyJR There’s no doubt whatsoever Obama is a muslim, and there’s no doubt whatsoever he’s a sugar daddy for the most radical of the worst. And there’s no doubt that the majority of voters have been duped. We, are screwed.

NavyJR

@Foxtrap I suspect that’s so; and the “sugar daddy ” isn’t O, but the banksters who are another front for the ones pulling his strings!

big koala

@Foxtrap @NavyJR Obama’s been a member of a large Christian church for over 20 years, sends his kids to Christian Sunday School, got married in a Christian church, and attends a Christian church regularly. And yet there are many of the moronic variety who still think he’s a Muslim. There is of course, absolutely NO EVIDENCE for any of that, but that doesn’t stop the True Believers.

LARRY NIEMAN

@big koala @Foxtrap @NavyJR everdently, YOU didnot watch in 2008 when obama took the oath of PRESIDENT , the first thing that he said was, NOW YOU ARE NO LONGER A CHRISTIAN NATION, YOU ARE UNDER A MUSLIM RULE, of course, this was quickly WITHDRAWN by his leaders, the first year that he held the PRESIDENT position, he would not SALUTE tha AMERICAN flag, AND he would not place his right hand over his HEART during the NATIONAL ANTHEM. SO, does this sound like a CHRISTIAN, now he does SALUTE, AND he does wear the lapel pin of the AMERICAN FLAG, BUT this is all a COVER-UP, just watch, no listen, JUST WATCH, and see what happens in the next 3.5 yrs, yes, PUT IT ON YOUR CALENDER, remember, ”a PICTURE” is worth a thousand words, OBAMA can and does TALK A GOOD STORY, but he does very LITTLE, thank you ,LARRY NIEMAN

dboyerdr

The gold ring he has worn since being a law student at Harvard is inscribed with “There is but one GOD-ALLAH

notreallyhere

@big koala According to a recent Gallup poll of a cross-section of some 30,000,,only 11% believe he’s Muslm.

notreallyhere

@dboyerdr And you know this …How?

downenray

@big koala There’s nothing Christian about any organization where its spokesman-leader wants God to DAMN America! And most Sundays Obama does not attend any church. Most presidents have not been able to take time to do so. Obama is no exception. But you may have noticed that Obama caused the Democrat Party leaders to remove every mention of God from the platform on which he ran in 2012. And Obama seldom mentions God. And never calls for a national day of prayer or thanksgiving to God. Muslims don’t believe in God. They have a god but his name is Allah and he doesn’t answer to the name of God, nor is he anything at all like the Creator God. If only morons think Obama is a Muslim, this nation is full of morons. And that might be true considering the number of votes he claimed in November. Only no true Christian is likely to have voted for a Muslim whose aim is obviously to destroy this nation.

downenray

@donl51 We know about the ring the same way you know anything–by reading and believing what is reported.

downenray

@donl51 I wonder if that same poll found that 89% believe the moon is made of cheese? No observer should doubt Obama’s lifelong love of Islam and his false claim to now be a Christian who is only half-hearted, if that much, in support of Israel. In OUR name he sends considerable support to Muslim Brotherhood groups throughout the world. And every day he comes closer to ruining this nation by running up debts we’ll possibly never be able to repay.

notreallyhere

@downenray reading the bible right? and having faith that god your creator not mine! is telling the truth..out of the trillions of stars he’s a busy beaver!

notreallyhere

@downenray It is made of cheese!..you didn’t know that??

NavyJR

@big koala Rev Wright is NOT leading a Christian church; whatever that is it is NOT Christian, regardless of the label and claims! Second, Michelle’s marriage to O was arranged for POLITICAL reasons to cover up HIS homosexuality; and he’s part of the “Down Low” club in Wright’s ‘church”, for which the match making service operates! And third; he IS a Muslim! There’s NO WAY the Pakistani clerics would have nominate an apostate for the position of world Caliph, which they DID do with Obama a year ago in September! It was all over one of the news magazines’ cover AND a variety of news feeds as well! Oh, and that doesn’t even include the fatwa that would be on his head, had he actually converted!

NavyJR

@donl51 World Net Daily ran stories on it some while back and so did several other feeds. With pictures. And translation of the Arabic script.

@big koala Obama nominally (by name only) has been a “member of a large Christian church for over 20 years.” He was brought up as a Marxist and a Muslim and remains so. Since he knew he could not be elected as a Marxist and a Muslim, he tried to erase all traces of his past and has been partly successful. But his actions speak loudly to let us know that he opposes all that has made this nation great.

notreallyhere

@NavyJR Thing is inside you really feel it but when you bring it to the surface people treat you like you just saw a flying saucer!! and announced it!!

NavyJR

@donl51 It’s a bit like that, yes; but I know it’s real; and I don’t really worry about how others will accept it or not. That’s for them to deal with. Truth IS; it’s not shades of grey, or malleable in any other way; it just IS. And if we all keep pretending the elephant ISN’T in the living room, does that mean he actually left? I don’t think so…

notreallyhere

@NavyJR So if we discuss it then perhaps others will join in hopefully on a positive note..or a challenge..more will get it!..just not now its 4;23 am and I missed my nap!!…good comment..g’nite!

NavyJR

@donl51 Could be; one can hope anyway. I do have a few “on the side” listening off site; which is to the good; the more who actually GET where the enemy is and who, the better; as long as they can keep us divided, THEY win for sure!

LARRY NIEMAN

@NavyJR yes, i beleive you are right on, OBAMA is a pupet, and he is very cunning, and his intentions are EVIL, he is another HITLER, or STALON, so be carefull, do your home work, thank you , LARRY NIEMAN

LARRY NIEMAN

OK, LOOK, OBAMA and his DEMOCRATS,for the most part, won this past election, FRAUD WRITTEN ALL OVER IT, A 10 YR. OLD CHILD COULD READ THESE FRAUD NUMBERS, THANK YOU LARRY NIEMAN

notreallyhere

@LARRY NIEMAN Larry! not to change the subject,,but are you a Republican or a Conservative,,as I’ve read several articles on this forum there’s a difference!!….( or another party altogether?

LARRY NIEMAN

@donl51 i am a TEA PARTY PATRIOT, AND I BELEIVE I AM A liberal? i do kelp others, as they are my BROTHERS and SISTERS, thank you , LARRY NIEMAN

notreallyhere

@LARRY NIEMAN When I visited a T-Party meeting at cowtown in Salem county Nj about 1.5+ years ago..the Liberal was tops on their shit list!…by the sound of your talking here you’re no liberal..neither am I ..but I’ve heard liberals!

NavyJR

@Downenray: WWIII is very much on the near horizon; troops are even now poised on the border of Syria; and if we go in SO will Putin! There ARE no “free” nations left, in truth; all leaderships,, including China, DPNK, Russia, et al are “bought and paid for” by the same shadow group, which controls the money, through the Illuminati. The Crusades were a BUST, except the 1st one; and that was overturned which was why the subsequent ones. The Muslim are tools of that same shadow group. And it’s one you likely don’t even suspect as a threat to the US.

notreallyhere

@NavyJR You’re pretty much right on!

NavyJR

@donl51 Thank-you; what did I miss,, aside from not naming the root organization; which most won’t believe in any case?

notreallyhere

@NavyJR I’m still uncertain what part the illuminati plays today,,they’re pretty much at an end..There’s a secret organization named after the big Hotel in Austria begins w/ a B ..Burmeister or something along those lines..Clinton attended a meeting as had Reagan both Bushs,,and others along w/ key figures of other countries and major corporations!…I’m into conpiracies..know they exist!

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

@donl51 Bilderberg Group is the name you are talking about.

NavyJR

@donl51 The Illuminati are FAR from finished; they’re the “banksters”, huge powerful banking houses like Rothschilds, JP Morgan, etc. and the Bilderbergers aka Club of Rome are but another front group BOTH controlled by the Jesuits, as are the Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations{CFR}, and, surprise, the Muslim Brotherhood with all its many sub-groupings! ALL our politicians in high places have been chosen by the CFR since Wilson at least, so for the past centruy; either they’re members of that group or STRONGLY SUPPORTIVE of it!

@NavyJR cool I know of all these groups just didn’t think the illuminati were much of an issue..dug deep into the Mason connection..but not into a Muslim brotherhood..perhaps we can discuss this further at least I won’t be a skeptic!!..and I thank Florida Girl for my memory loss!!

NavyJR

@donl51 There are SO MANY of them I doubt I have nearly all of them. MB has dozens under it’s umbrella including CAIR, ISNA, ISMA, NAIT, and Hamas, Hezbollah, al Qaeda, etc. The UN is one of the fronts, and ALL that goes with IT, which is in the hundreds Illuminati were one of the first ones and essentially control ALL the money in the world today; I don’t have proof but suspect Soros is in this bunch; I do know Rothschilds, {JP}Morgan-Chase, Rockefellers, etc are. Tell you the truth, I’d thought all of them were operating under Bilderbergers, and that Jesuits were kind of on the side; but when I got them in place the rest just came straight into focus, like a bacterium on a slide, when you get the focus right! Remember the movies about the Skulls? That fraternity group? Guess who they, in fact, are the “entrance level” to…and both Bushes were members of that “fraternity”. The main things to get your head around is that the Jesuits are at the center or it all, and that they’re very close, they believe, to their goal of eliminating the US and the Jews and installing the Pope as world ruler in Jerusalem. If you have a Bible, read the parts in Revelation about the “great Satan”, which very clearly describe the Roman church. Also keep in mind this current Pope, Benedict XVI, has made the statement he’ll be the last Pope. Mind you, the guy’s older than dirt; so he must have something up his sleeve; because as I heard it, some of the Cardinals began jockeying for the succession as soon as he was elected!

big koala

@NavyJR @donl51 Wow, talk about strange paranoid delusions. Bilderbergs, Jesuits, Illuminati, Jews, the Skulls.Bush and Co., all in on the Grand Conspiracy. I didn’t know Revelation even mentioned the Pope. What happened to the Commies? And the shape-shifting reptilian aliens from the planet Gorf? Too bad there’s not a shred of evidence for any of this, it would make a great comic book.

@NavyJR Peculiar thinking comes along once in awhile. Ronald Reagan was a patriot, controlled by no one, loyal to this nation and to God. George W. Bush also sought the best for the U.S.A. and was not controlled by anyone hiding behind the bushes. He served this nation well. His advisers served him and this nation well. No Republican president of the U.S.A. has been supportive of any foreign-controlled group at any time.

downenray

@NavyJR @donl51 How ridiculous are the claims of some about hidden groups who pull the strings of puppet Presidents. Not a word of truth in the claims.

downenray

@big koala Revelation does speak of Romish powers by describing a wicked power which “sat on seven hills.” Rome originally sat on seven hills. But for us to be confident that we understand Revelation’s prophecies is to think of ourselves more highly than we ought to think. The book was written to encourage Christians of the first century and Rome at that time was ruler of the known world. It was not the head of the church of God then or ever. But it sought to control all the church for many centuries. It’s not proven that the John who wrote Revelation had in mind a church leader instead of a political power.

downenray

@NavyJR I agree that we’re very close to World War 3, which is why Obama wants to reduce our military. He sides with our enemies.

LARRY NIEMAN

donl51 what was this about the ATHEIST, look if you are not a believer, that’s your choice, I am a CHRISTIAN , and i am glad to be, RELIGEON is many things and has many PLEASURES, the UNITED STATES IS 90% CHRISTIANS AND JEWS, so their are 10 % ATHEIST, SO what. we are very easy to work with, we all help each other, and i have heard these stories of ATHEIST in eastern part of florida, now listen to this, the christians went to the 2 lane highway and sprinkled HOLY WATER on the 2 lanes entering NEW SIMERNA and the ATHEIST found out about this , so the ATHEIST went to the same place and washed it off, OH BOY, now what was that acomplishing? please answer that one. LARRY NIEMAN

Evermyrtle

@LARRY NIEMAN Those people are mean. They are not happy serving whoever it is that they serve, they try to get everybody else to serve also. Ignorance is too great a “bust” for me to serve. We as Christians do not attack whoever it is that they serve but they hate it that we don’t serve as they do and attack us on every word we speak, and unless they address us directly, they can only read out dedications of words to our GOD. We do not bother them, but they are banging our our door constantly.

notreallyhere

@Evermyrtle Atheists don’t serve anything in the biblical sense!..and you told me you were not a christian..so which is it ?

Evermyrtle

@donl51 @Evermyrtle You are lying, I never ever told anybody that I was not a Christian. JESUS CHRIST IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN MY LIFE. I AM A CHRISTIAN. MY ENTIRE HEART BELONGS TO HIM. HE IS WHO I SERVE.

notreallyhere

@Evermyrtle Yeah sweets! ,,you did!..you said you were not religious or a christian but believed in your god..and you serve him..which is fine and good for you!!

LARRY NIEMAN

@donl51 @Evermyrtle I AM A CHRISTIAN, and very glad to be, THANK YOU AND god bless you , LARRY NIEMAN

notreallyhere

@LARRY NIEMAN @Evermyrtle Yeah Larry I think we got that!!

notreallyhere

@LARRY NIEMAN BTW anutter question..of which religion of the Christian sect are you? just curious!!

Evermyrtle

@donl51 @Evermyrtle I said I was not religious , and that I was a Christian which I mean and which I am.

downenray

@donl51 Evermyrtle said nothing of the kind. It’s your memory that’s at fault.

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

@LARRY NIEMAN Just to lighten the subject with donl51 a little – in answer to your question, “now what was that accomplising?” Probably the cleanest highway in Florida.

notreallyhere

@Florida Girl conversations ok..I’ve probably seen other Atheists do and say far worse things than you to people..I am me they are whomever!..no needs to lighten any subjects ,I taught college for near 30 years ,,I’ve heard it all! haha!

paxcat

donl51: What on earth are you screaming about with regard to “resident” and citizenship, etc. I am not sure you are reading and comprehending what you are reading correctly as I said nothing about Presidents bestowing citizenship or not on anyone, nor did I address “residency.” I think it would be a good idea if you took 10 big breaths and let some oxygen in! You may be suffering from too much CO2

notreallyhere

@paxcat Wish I could, have Chronic Asthma and am a neckbreather due to Laryngeal cancer and don’t remember screaming however on one comment I’d left my caps key on and didn’t look up till I was almost done..anyway I answered the statement the way it was posed!..”incorrect”..lot of that going on around these parts!!…I get a well rounded view of what people think when visiting other sites and interestingly this site is the only one where I see your names,,so essentially you’re happy living within a loop of misinformation..its comforting to you!,,I come along Question not condemn and I’m the troll!!…have a nice life!

paxcat

@donl51 So, I still have no idea to what you were referring, and donl51, you are not the only educated person on this site either. FYI, I do lots of research as I am interested in the “truth” regardless of what it is! I’ve always believed we cannot really make very good or intelligent decisions without the truth.

notreallyhere

@paxcat I agree!

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

@donl51 With all due respect, I don’t see your point of view as well rounded. I visit other sites also and I haven’t seen your name there either. I do sometimes use other names, mostly because the one I wanted is already taken. Or when I was a new computer user I established different names until I came upon one(s) I was more comfortable with and easy to remember. I don’t recall seeing your philosophy reflected on those other sites. I admit we all could be more poised in our answers. I was saddened to hear of your chronic asthma and bout with laryngeal cancer. I do hope your condition is stable at this point. I also am a cancer survivor, 10 years now and I am so blessed.

notreallyhere

@Florida Girl my names been on alternet since it began in ’98 ..there were tines I took a rest,,Common Dream about as long as its been around raw story ,NORML ,NORMLNJ, I’D have to check DISQUIS for the others!only this one through LIVEFYRE!,,,i use the same user name as it’s easier!..did use another at Captains Qtrs!…So we passed one another in the blizzard it happens you’re user name is new to me as well,,anyway..not agreeing is ok I’m here to talk and learn not try and change,,..my cancer 6 years back at 62 retired me earlier than expected from teaching but I’ll do my art to the grave….so far so good! w/ the cancer,,have a merry Christmas!…

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

@donl51 Well if you are 6 years post cancer, congratulations. I am now 10 years cancer free. I was 59 when diagnosed. Was sole caregiver for disabled husband and 91 year old Mother. Just could’t leave them by themselves! Still visit oncologist every 6 mos. for blood test to check cancer markers, just to make sure I stay cancer-free. I took chemo and radiation at same time, when radiation finished, they doubled my chemo but every three weeks instead of weekly. What a trip we have been on and come out of it!! Hope you and yours have a very Merry Christmas and a healthy 2013.

RonaldChristopher

@donl51 @Florida Girl Don says he does not believe in Christmas but then says, have a merry Christmas. So I wonder what gave Don cancer and why? Maybe his life style was wrong so somebody stepped in and changed it. Hummm, wonder who.

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

@RonaldChristopher @donl51 Well I believe in the Christ (who is now basically left out of Christmas). That Holiday has become so commercialized and secular and groups are objecting to nativites being displayed, etc.; I do appreciate it when people wish me a Merry Christmas. I have to tell you that I also had cancer even though I am a believer. I had surgery/chemo/radiation and it was a rough go round. I was a good patient and a good, happy believer still. I am still here 10 yrs later so I have a purpose yet to fulfill I had many encouraging words of support from my church and friends. It was just for a season and I will find out one day later on from our Creator why this happened. I hope I will hear “well done”.

LARRY NIEMAN

evermyrtle, about the ATHEIST, NOW they are complaining that we should not have a CHRISTMAS TREE,, THE TRUE WORD IS CHRIST-MAS, they want to call it a HOLIDAY TREE, these FEW PEOPLE , do not understand that this nation THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA was founded on these BELEIFS , ”so i can’t spell” THIS NATION WAS FOUNDED ON CHRISTANITY, GOD THE STAR SPANGLED BANNER, or OLD GLORY, YES THESE ARE SYMBALS, AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF MEANING , so if you do not believe in anything , what is your foundation, you ATHEIST need to talk to wour leader OBAMA, he will lay you out a floor plan to follow, thats an idea, he loves to LEAD people. thank you and good luck, do you beleive in LUCK, thank you and may GOD LEAD YOU EVERY DAY, LARRY NIEMAN

notreallyhere

@LARRY NIEMAN They can want whatever they want the big tree in the Nations capital is already up!..I’m one you know this and you also know I don’t advocate the BS of others,,

LARRY NIEMAN

@donl51 OBAMA DOES NOT BELEIVE IN CHRISTMAN< LARRY

notreallyhere

@LARRY NIEMAN Christmas? Neither do I but a lot of Christians do..I wouldn’t worry about what that…? believes in..

Harry Lawrence

I am retired after 23 years Army. This makes me ill. It also makes me sad for all the fimilies that lost service members during this last “war”.

notreallyhere

@Harry Lawrence Which of the last wars are you talking about they sort of run together anymore!!

NavyJR

@don51: Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you as well.

dboyerdr

I’m cheating a bit. Almost all the commenta are disparaging to Obama. I just want to remind you that the electronic message center being built in Utah will be activated in early 2013. This facility will be able to capture and record ALL electronic messages, this incliudes yout cell phone & emails. When it goes active it probably will not be a good idea to write bad things about Obama nor his crooked administration. Doing so might get you to be in a cell in one of the 800 FEMA camps in America. Among his other faults he is vindictive!!!

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

@dboyerdr Don’t you think that they will retrieve 2012 also?

ashman1

@dboyerdr Remember this about the “favored one”, vindictiveness is one of the salient features of the narcissistic personality. The clones, minions, and serfs around him must adulate him at least five times each day (ala muslim prayers). In doing so they can keep their temporary status.

LARRY NIEMAN

big koala, about the BIRTH CERTIFICATE, a CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH means= the birth took place some where other than here, a BIRTH CERTIFICATE means that this birth took place HERE in this place, their is a BIG difference, thank you LARRY NIEMAN

LARRY NIEMAN

paxcat, AND OBAMA is GAY, his so-called WIFE is GAY, and a COVERUP, OBAMA is backing GAY MARRAGE, wake up, this person is not our leader, HE is our DOWN FALL, thank you , LARRY NIEMAN

notreallyhere

@LARRY NIEMAN No Larry you’re far from being a liberal as stated!

LARRY NIEMAN

@donl51 OK , WHAT IS A LIBERAL? LARRY NIEMAN

notreallyhere

@LARRY NIEMAN for starters!… not you!..back when I taught I dressed conservativly..jeans, pastel shirts tie sport coat and loafers generally..today that word means something wayyyy different!..as the conservative in the Republican is way right the liberal in the Dem. party is way left..I’m neither myself!,,yet I care for others as you say you do….I think progressives more accurately desribe the majority of the Dem party..I could be construed as a progressive I guess!…possibly you as well or moderate,,another even better term..I’ll look it up..L8r!..don

notreallyhere

@LARRY NIEMAN Oh please! that again..

Evermyrtle

@donl51 @LARRY NIEMAN Larry, Don’t worry about the donl51’s of the world their main joy is upsetting true believers of JESUS CHRIST. They ridicule, they harass, they lye anything to aggravate! What do they get out of it? They make Satan happy and if Satan is happy they are happy.

Anybody that can’t spot the moslem in the white house is clearly meant to be dhimmified because they are naive. Obama has told and shown you who he stands with. Don’t believe the taqiyah he and the media throw at you, just make sure you count up the jizya and send it in April 14th. if you don’t know the definition of the arabic words I’ve put in this post. I’m warning you all; you’d better get familiar wih them and be good little dhimmis.

notreallyhere

@Pazuzu I think you are dumber than a bag of hair,…now w/ that said why would Obama the Muslim have a battle-group off Syria and boots on the ground at their border armed to the teeth?..to play ‘who stole the Prayer rug?..idiot!

paxcat

@donl51 @Pazuzu Did you follow what he did in Eygpt? Or, did you know he has sent arms into the hands of children who are used by rebel forces in several of these conflicts? donl51, you really have a blind spot when it comes to Obama – why don’t you just look at what is really happening and then ask yourself, why? Why are the pro-democracy Egyptians still protesting? Because maybe the Muslim Brotherhood acted like that and have been given billions of dollars to take over which they have done. And, now, they are resorting to Mubarak’s torture chambers to quell all who speak against them and any miscellaneous Christians they happen to find. Why do Brotherhood members sit in the American AG’s office and in other places like the State Dept? Are you aware that Hillary’s right hand woman’s mother is a member of a Brotherhood like organization and that she has family members in the Brotherhood? Research above Rant!

notreallyhere

@paxcat @donl51 @Pazuzu rebel forces use children all arond the worrd..where have you beden?

NavyJR

@donl51 Muslims are TOOLS of the real enemy to all humanity!

LARRY NIEMAN

@Pazuzu OK , WHO DOES OBAMA STAND WITH? LARRY NIEMAN

NavyJR

@LARRY NIEMAN CFR and his masters of course!

winlockmike

as an X military man I say F–k those ragheads

Pazuzu

to @donl51. I know it is and I know why. Check the arabic root words. That’s why I use it exclusively; It’s apropos.

notreallyhere

@Pazuzu When young I used to speak Arabic, my aunt still does I’ll ask her!!..I think your belief in the subject is like your belief in a god/creator!

notreallyhere

@Pazuzu I talked to my aunt who was an Anthropologist said the basis of Arab And Hebrew is Semetic..both share similar root words,,not certain she fully understood my question she’s in her 90’s generally pretty sharp,,most people refer only to the jew as Semetic when in reality its both arabs and jew….don’t see your point though! wHAT is your preoccupationw/ oboma being muslm,christian or Atheist?when he’s got our Mil on the border of Syria to wreek havick and Mayham on that country..for no real reason other than a potencial pipeline that’ll end in Israe…think first..

notreallyhere

@Pazuzu Israel

NavyJR

@donl51 He’s operating under orders from those who seek to eliminate both Israel and the US; and it’s not just Syria; but the fuse to a global war that’s poised on that border! We set one toe in there and SO will PUTIN!

notreallyhere

@NavyJR I’ve been saying that since I got here..about ..he starts someting ,,The Russians will reply..and ffor that comment I gt all but shot at here!

NavyJR

@donl51 Well, whomever was doing so is DEAD WRONG! Russia and Syria have been staunch allies since LONG before I can remember even; before the fall of the USSR, by a long stretch. Putin has put out warnings to stay out of Syria; and I kind of doubt from HIM those were idle words! What will follow THAT is hardly brain surgery or rocket science!

LARRY NIEMAN

donl51.O Please what again? LARRY NIEMAN

notreallyhere

@LARRY NIEMAN Oh please what again..what?

LARRY NIEMAN

donl51 ARE YOU ATHEIST? LARRY NIEMAN

notreallyhere

@LARRY NIEMAN YUP!

RonaldChristopher

@LARRY NIEMAN Actually Larry, there is no such thing as an atheist. When somebody says they do not believe in God, they have recognized that God exist, they just do not believe in Him. All one has to do is open their eyes at nature and they will see God. Better yet, study the human eye ball. It is that simple. Slime could not make the eye ball. But, if don wants to keep saying that he is made up of slime, let him. He is fooling nobody but himself.

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

@RonaldChristopher Like your post. Consider the human brain for instance. What are the chances of all these intricate components being put together and functioning as they do just by chance? not to mention the rest of the human body. And like you said, just look at the nature around you. There wasn’t just a big explosion and just everything ended up that way. It is by design and awesome. But we all have free choice to believe as we choose. I guess our job is just to share and let the seeds fall where they may. Someone else’s job to water, someone else’s job to harvest, etc.

NavyJR

@bigkoala: Communists are still there too; and there’s oodles of evidence for those who choose to see it.. Too bad you’re not wise enough to see what’s smacking you in the face!

NavyJR

@don51: Don’t have time to hunt the post out to which you were replying, but I was aware you’re a socialist from the way you were posting. That’s something you may seriously want to think about revising before it swallows you in a hell of your own choosing!

notreallyhere

@NavyJR sounds like? I’ve outright said it about 20 times and like being Atheist I like being Socialist as well you just fail to understand ,you don’t know what being socialist is!!..that damn koolaids addled your brain as well..

NavyJR

@donl51 What you choose and how you decide to live your life is your business; but I DO know what socialism is, ALL across its spectrum and I would prefer Patrick Henry’s course, on that issue; because any, and every, form of socialism is slavery. There is not a socialist governance that has allowed otherwise, in all our history, nor will there ever be one; it’s not compatible with socialism.

NavyJR

@bigkoala: A certification of live birth ONLY shows that A baby was born alive SOMEWHERE; it doesn’t positively identify the baby or prove where he was born! A birth certificate has a RAISED seal from the state of birth and the baby’s footprints on it to positively identify WHO the baby being certified IS! The one for O came from Coast General Hospital, Mombasa, Kenya, including his foot print, and the appropriate affidavits from the “state” , in this case Kenya! Further, one of their legislators, in an active session and on the official record, affirmed his Kenyan birth by stating it was a great day when a Kenyan born man could become President of the United States of America!

elki

So why are we still only talking about it? its 4 years, and the imposter is still sitting in our house

NavyJR

@elki Probably because ALL those in the positions to be acting on that information are PART of the SAME group that PUT him unlawfully in our WH in the first place!

NavyJR

@don51: Many of our politicians for decades have put on “religious faces” when they are in fact operating against those very “religions”!

NavyJR

@Downenray: Actually Ike was a pretty regular attendee at religious services; not EVERY week but pretty close. So was Truman; but it didn’t much matter because it was front; both were CFR, and THAT is their true “religion” at its roots! O could attend if he wished to do so; he has time to play golf, which he’s done more already than Ike, another avid golfer, did in 2 full terms, not to mention those frequent holidays on our dimes!

downenray

@NavyJR Thanks, Navy. Church attendance is far less important than Christian living and speaking. Presidents are busy as are many of us who are not politicians. If Obama spoke favorably of Jesus and His people, and if his actions reflected love of God, I’d surely not discount him as being the Christian he claims to be. But in neither way does he show faith in Jesus as Lord. He speaks favorably of Islam which is a hater of everything loved by God. He acts to favor the Muslim Brotherhood throughout the world. Obama is not a Christian.

LARRY NIEMAN

donl51 I am a CHRISTIAN SOUTHERN BAPTIST, HAVE A GOOD DAY, LARRY NIEMAN

LARRY NIEMAN

WHAT IS CFR, LARRY NIEMAN

NavyJR

@LARRY NIEMAN Council on Foreign Relations; one of many front groups for the Jesuits.

dboyerdr

I’ve also seen the Kenyan birth certificate made when Obama was born in Kenya. The Hiwaiian B.C. has been prove to be fraudelent, and the guy who made it up for Obama has admitted it is a fraud. The Hospital named on it did NOT even exiist, under that name, when Obama was supposedly born there. I guess he didn’t know the hospital had changed its name.

downenray

I received a copy of a note from Florida girl claiming that the present Israel since it has the same name is the same nation God made promises to concerning the land now partially occupied by “Israel.” I couldn’t find the note so I could reply to it. But I state again that the Israel to which God promised the land in perpetuity is NOT the present ungodly nation of Israel. The present Israel is an ally of the U.S.A. and deserves our full support, which with Obama as president there’s little chance of it getting. But it is NOT led by God or loyal TO God. It’s a secular rather than a religious nation. It is not the people of God.

Christians today are the people of God, the family of God, and the ones favored by God. But there is no land which is holy. Christians live in every land where they are safe and welcome. And the Christians are God’s people. But there is NO “holy land.” The scriptures Florida girl quotes are real and true concerning the heirs of Jacob (Israel). But the present Jews don’t qualify and don’t most of them believe in the God of Jacob. Everything changed when Jesus rose from the dead. Until then God lived in the temple in Jerusalem, but on that day He left that temple, never to return. I very much favor the Jews who live in the present Israel and wish them well and safe and happy. But they are NOT the people of Jehovah God.

elki

@downenray And who made you the expert on the Jews that reside in Israel? All the Jews are decendants of the Jews that were evicted from Israel by Romans in 70 AD. That includes the secular people among the religious people. There are people that have lineage going to King David. It is still the Holy Land and the archaeology is there to prove it. You have no clue as to the miracles that take place there every day, surrounded by Israel’s enemies. Gd is protecting his people, and TIME will unfold the truth. In the meantime, Israel is building beautiful highways and bridges, and the Arabs in Gaza who are originally from Egypt, Syria, Saudi, Jordan, etc, are building tunnels and rockets.

elki

Also, if you read Zecharia, the prophet, he tells that Gd will build his 3rd eternal Temple.

@Florida Girl I don’t see in what Jesus is reported to have said any implication that an earthly kingdom would be restored to Israel. You wrote, — Jesus was asked by His disciples whether He would restore the kingdom to Israel at that time, to which He replied: “It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in His own power. But you shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and you shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.” (Acts 1:6-8)

You comment “Jesus’ answer implied that although the time of favour for Israel was at that moment to pass over to the Gentiles, there would be a time when God would restore again the “kingdom to Israel.” This truth is clearly taught throughout the Scriptures; after the fullness of the Gentiles is brought into the kingdom of God, He will again give His ancient people, the Jews, another time of grace and favour.”

But what you read into the words of Jesus is not what He said. He merely corrected them to realize that the kingdom led by Jesus would be different from any earthly kingdom. They were His agents in starting the kingdom which is “not of this earth.” And that’s all the passage says that NO, it was not an earthly kingdom which Jesus was organizing through His apostles. You say there are other passages “throughout the Scriptures” which promise a restored Jewish kingdom. I know of no such promises made by Jesus or His apostles. Would you like to name one?

Evermyrtle

@Florida Girl @elki Is that Ted Weiland’s site???

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

@elki Thank you for the wonderful response reflecting knowledge of the subject What downenray fails to recognize about the Bible is that G-d loves Israel, despite her recurring wanderings away from Him. He chose her, not the other way around. I just finished reading www.jewishawareness.org/israel-the-apple-of-gods-eye which gives the narrative with scriptures that support it. All the facts are there: you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink.

paxcat

@Florida Girl @elki If you can get the video of Isaiah 9:10 and the book, The Harbinger by Jonathan Cahn, a messianic Jew – it is pretty mind boggling! Both available on Amazon.

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

@paxcat Thanks for the info, paxcat. I have heard about The Harbinger and will try to get it. The Isaiah 9:10 video sounds good, too.

paxcat

@Florida Girl Get the video first. The book is an indepth look at what the video exposes. As I said, it is stunning!

downenray

@Florida Girl I have studied the Word enough to know that Israel is no longer a favored nation in this world. God used Israel to prepare the world for the coming of His Son. Jesus came as a Jew and lived as a Jew and died for all men. Instead of Israel now being God’s kingdom, the church of the Lord is God’s kingdom on earth. As God’s people we have no holy land and no holy relics and no holy saints other than all Christians who are to live for Jesus. The “scriptures that support” Israel being a holy nation all refer to the time prior to the establishment on earth of the Kingdom which is now called the church of God (and other equally good names) and is found everywhere on earth where people love and serve Jesus as Lord.

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

@paxcat Thanks, paxcat

MichaelBurch

@downenray @Florida Girl I wouldn’t bet the bank on that…nobody has ‘studied’ the world enough…that comment in and off itself shows your ignorance…and that is a scary thing…there is no one more dangerous than a person who thinks they are sooo smart….

@Florida Girl I know the Bible pretty well, despite having to disagree with contrary opinions as to what it teaches. And neither Jesus nor His apostles made any promises that Israel would be restored at any time. As Christians, we rejoice at the restoration of Israel, even if it’s not led by God or godly men. And as citizens of the U.S.A., we do well to encourage our leaders to support Israel as the one barrier to Islam taking over all mid-eastern nations. I love facts, and there are no facts that support the theory that the Bible teaches that God will restore Israel as a nation at any time after the apostolic age. What it teaches is that the nation will be destroyed, as it was in 70 A.D.

NavyJR

@paxcat @Florida Girl @elki The Harbinger is available on YouTube, about an hour long.

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

@NavyJR Thanks for the info. on The Harbinger.

NavyJR

@Florida Girl I had JUST finished watching it, before I saw this about it, which is really a bit weird… but you’re welcome. There are about 6 different ones there by the same guy, Cahn, with Harbinger in the name; the top one on the list is the one I thing was recommended. It fits in with all the stuff we’ve been talking about.

Evermyrtle

@downenray @Florida Girl I believe that all Scriptures referring to the restoring of Israel are found in the OT.

downenray

@Evermyrtle Yes, that’s right. And the restoring happened long ago just as it was foretold it would. The present Israel is not in any sense the Israel of the Bible. But it’s anally of the U.S.A. and is not our enemy in any sense. It deserves our support as it faces the enemy which is also our enemy, Islam.

downenray

@Evermyrtle Yes, that’s right. And the restoring happened long ago just as it was foretold it would. The present Israel is not in any sense the Israel of the Bible. But it’s an ally of the U.S.A. and is not our enemy in any sense. It deserves our support as it faces the enemy which is also our enemy, Islam.

Evermyrtle

@downenray @Evermyrtle That is your opinion and my opinion as well as many evangelists, who agree believe that Israel is still GOD’S people.

NavyJR

@downenray Check the OT Prophets; they DO tell of it AFTER the Church age!, Isaiah for one.

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@downenray Again I say, go into the New Testament. If you will read and study you will not think you have to straighten out other’s people’s beliefs so much. The effort you go to to deny what the Bible really teaches is amazing. Your effort could be to such better use without your contrary opinions. We have studied it too and know whata it teaches. You seem to be a little short on understandidng the end of the story. What denomination are you affiliated with if any?

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@downenray You misunderstand the history of the Jews. Sorry to tell you, you have missed the point of the Bible regarding the Jews and G-d’s view of the Jews altogether. Actually what you say is off track from the teachings in the Bible. You could be leading people astray with your false doctrine. From what you are saying, you are no authority on the Bible.

NavyJR

@Florida Girl Something you need to realize, kind of universally, is that ALL the denominations have been infiltrated and corrupted by the root group behind all that’s being orchestrated today, and has been for centuries; the sign that this had been accomplished was given during Reagan’s first inauguration; when he stood facing the Washington Monument instead of on the OTHER side of the Capital, where all prior inaugurations had been conducted since its construction. So much of what’s being taught in those churches is NOT the Christian beliefs but corruptions thereof.

downenray

@Evermyrtle Yes I go by what the Bible says rather than what “many evangelists” say. Christ’s CHURCH is God’s people today. That’s not to say God doesn’t love Jews. Of course He does love them. But in order to please God they would have to accept Jesus as Lord.

downenray

@Florida Girl You’re free to believe whatever you want to believe. I believe what the Bible does say. You say I’m wrong. That doesn’t make me wrong. I know I’m right and pointing you and all readers to truth which can save us through Jesus.

Evermyrtle

@downenray @Evermyrtle I only go marginally by what evangelist say, nevertheless there are some that I respect but do not swallow what they say because they say it. I have quite the “independent mind,” rather stubborn, also. If I believe what anyone says, you first have to convince me but I would think myself a fool not to listen to hose who have much more Biblical education than I, but again I follow only marginally, if they say something I don’t jump to any conclusion that I am the one that is wrong, if I don’t agree.. .

I cannot seem to convince people the many, many Jews believe in CHRIST JESUS AS THE SAVIOR. One report I read said about 2% and that can add up to thousands of Christian Jews DAYSTAR, A TV station has built and sponcers Christians in Israel I believe. I’m sure that you are aware of John Hagees work there, too. Is Hagee perfect?I don’t think so.

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@downenray OK here goes. Compare what I said aboout Israel with your intrepretation of it. (Well, I guess I will have to forgive you this time for your misconstruing it since you couldn’t find it in order to reply.) Oh boy; my main point was that God chose Israel as his Beloved, not that present day Jews believe in G-d, are led by G-d, or loyal to G-d. In the beginning, the Jews did not choose God, it was the other way around. And as a whole they rejected Messiah when He came and are still looking for Him to come. . In the scriptures I posted, G-d states in regard to Israel: “everlasting covenant”, everlasting possession” – that’s pretty clear that He means forever. And I didn’t originate that, G-d did. If you search the scriptures, they speak for themselves. You know that the Jews have been returning from over the world to Israel, their homeland (1948 ) Please know that I agree with you in that Israel is an Ally of the U.S., I only wish the U.S. was a better ally of Israel’s. I believe Israel has been insulted and treated poorly by President Obama.. I love Israel and pray for her. Here is my previous post.

@downenray I must politely disagree with your statement: “the nation God promised to bless is NOT the present nation wearing the same name. It was the nation into which Jesus was born many centuries ago. God has NOT promised to bless the present Israel or curse its enemies.” Here is my answer: I will take you to the HIGHEST POWER for confirmation. God said it, not me:: Genesis 17:1-8 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. 2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly. 3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying, 4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. 5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee. 6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee. 7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. 8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

“Everlasting possession and I will be their God” sounds very clear to me that it is the very same Israel.. In addition, read Genesis 12:1-3 below: Those Who Bless Israel Will Be Blessed, and Those Who Curse Israel Will Be Cursed In the Book of Genesis, Chapter 12, Verse 1-3, we see what God says about His response to how people treat Israel: “And I will bless those that bless you and curse the one who curses you. And in you shall all families of the earth be blessed.” In the Book of Numbers, where the Bible is telling us about the Nation of Israel that God delivers out of bondage in Egypt, it tells us: “He crouched. He lay down as a lion, and as a great lion. Who shall stir him up? Blessed is he who blesses you, and cursed is he who curses you.” Although many will point out that this Scripture had its fulfillment in the Old Testament days, it doesn’t seem to have any time-related limitation on it. It doesn’t say, “I will bless those who bless you only until the Messiah comes. . .”, or have any other conditions that would limit the result of actions toward Israel. Rev. 22:18, 19 cautions us not to add to or take away from the prophecies of this Book. I base my beliefs on the Bible. There are many more verses in which God claims Israel as being special to him. I keep losing my place here and I am afraid I will erase all of this and I don’t want to do that so I am posting now. Get a good Bible Concordance and read of Israel being special to God, the Apple of God’s eye, etc.

@Florida Girl That you sincerely believe such obviously wrong facts is obvious. But the promises were fulfilled and the present Israel is NOT in any way promised blessings from God. They ARE our ally in opposing Islam in this world, and are deserving of our support for that reason.

Evermyrtle

@downenray @Florida Girl Romans 11: 1-6, 26-27 1. I say then, Hath GOD cast away HIS people? GOD forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2. GOD hath not cast away HIS people which HE foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias: how he maketh intercession to GOD against Israel, saying, 3. LORD, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down tine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. 4. But what saith the answer of GOD unto him: I have reserved to myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. 5. Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6. And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no ore grace: otherwise work is no more work.

26. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written.There shall come out of Sion the DELIVERER, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob. 27. As concerning,t he gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, the are beloved for the father,s sake

downenray

@Evermyrtle As promised, the delivered came “out of Zion.” That Jews are loved by God is sure. But they are no longer the people God loves and provides for. It’s followers of Jesus who now love God and are loved in return. Those who follow Jesus are now the family of God, regardless of national origin. We Gentiles are Christians if we follow and obey Jesus. Jews who follow and obey Jesus are equally Christians, and should be called by their new name rather than being identified as Jews.

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downenray

@Evermyrtle As promised, the deliverer came “out of Zion.” Jesus was a Jew. That Jews are loved by God is sure. But they are no longer the people God loves and provides for. It’s followers of Jesus who now love God and are loved in return. Those who follow Jesus are now the family of God, regardless of national origin. We Gentiles are Christians if we follow and obey Jesus. Jews who follow and obey Jesus are equally Christians, and should be called by their new name rather than being identified as Jews.

Evermyrtle

@downenray Jew: The word used to refer to the men of Judah as from the times of Jeremiah Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of CHRIST: for it is the power of GOD unto salvation to every one that believeth ; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness is part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles come in. Teh NT does not permit discrimination of the Jewish people because of the deliveryof CHRIST to the cross. Rather Christians should take teh attitude of Paul the Apostle, a “Hebrew of Hebrews’ to make it their hearts desire and prayer to GOD that the Israelites may be saved.

Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to GOD for Israel is, that they might be saved.

Romans 10:11-13 11. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on HIM shall not be ashamed. 12. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same LORD over all is rich unto all that shall call upon the name of the LORD shall be saved.

Romans 11: 132 say then, Hath GOD cast away HIS people: GOD forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. . 2. GOD hath not cast away HIS people which HE fore knew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias: how he maketh intercession to GOD against Israel 3. LORD they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars, and I am left alone, and they seek my life. 4. But what saith the answer GOD unto him?I have reserved to my self save thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. 5. Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

RonaldChristopher

Florida Girl….I do not understand G-d.

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@RonaldChristopher Do you mean the – in the middle of the word? It is believed that God’s name is too holy to be written down, so some put the space in between as a means of revernece to the holiness of God. I have just recently begun to do this. I really can’t explain why except I am going into a deeper level with my faith and awe of God. Didn’t mean to cause confusion. If that’s not what you meant with your post, please let me know.

downenray

@Florida Girl Jews felt that the name of God was too “holy” to be spoken or written, so THEY used just the consonants in Jehovah or Yahweh. But Christians freely speak of our God by name.

Evermyrtle

@Florida Girl @downenray I wish I had the key to informing all people that there are many Christian Jews. In Jerusalem there is claimed to be 2% of the Jews there who are Christian, which is a small percentage. Ara there more true Christians in the general population of the world today than are 2% or more?? Such ignorance is inexcusable. Search it out before you black mark every one of them. How many is 2% of one million, people, something like 20,000?

Evermyrtle

@Florida Girl @downenray Thank you for doing a wonderful job of putting this together, I agree with you 100%. So many many people are against Israel, Christians, non- Christians. I do not understand why they are so bent on selling them out.Because the sinned and denied JESUS CHRIST? Yes to that, too! Every time we go astray and sin we are going against HIM, also. JESUS said that if we say we have no sin we lie and the truth is not in us. There are reports that 2% of Jews in Israel are Christians. There is something that I have thought many times,Is there any more that 2% of the rest of us that a re really and truly Christian. It take a lot more than to say ” I am a Christian”, we must live as a Christian and if we cannot do that we cannot truthfully say we are Christian.

Evermyrtle

@downenray Israel, whose land is a small part of the land that GOD gave Israel. HE said that Israel because of their disobedience the people would be taken from Israel and scattered all over the world, that 2,000 years later they would be given the land back. GOD kept HIS promise, in 1948 the land was returned to the Israelitish people. As it ever was, there is many, many Christians.About 2% of the population is Christian, a small percentage but a lot of people about 20,00 Christians for every million. I have a adopted sister whose family is Christian, who live in Jerusalem. When JESUS returns HIS FEET wilt lite on the Mount of Olives, HE still loves Israel.

Ezekiel 34;13 And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country. READ THE WHOLE CHAPTER.

ZECHARIAH 14:2. I shall gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken………………. 3:Then the LORD shall go forth and fight against those nations, as when HE fought in the day of battle. 4. And HIS feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east,k and the Mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the East and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the North and half of it toward the South.

JEREMIAH 46:27-28 27. BUT FEAR NOT THOU, o MY SERVANT JACOB, AND BE NOT DISMAYED, O ISRAEL: FOR BEHOLD, I WILL SAVE THEE FROM AFAR OFF, AND THY SEED FROM THE LAND OF THEIR CAPTIVITY; AND JACOB SHALL RETURN, AND BE IN REST AN AT EASE, AND NONE SHALL MAKE HIM AFRAID. 28. FEAR THOU NOT O JACOB MY SERVANT, SAITH THE LORE; FOR I WILL MAKE FULL END OF ALL THE NATIONS WHITHER I HAVE DRIVEN THEE: BUT I WILL NOT MAKE A FULL END OF THEE, BUT CORRECT THEE IN MEASURE; YET WILLI NOT LEAVE THE WHOLLY UNPUNISHED.

ROMANS 9:27-28 27 ESAIAS ALSO CRIETH CONCERNING ISRAEL, THOUGH THE NUMBER OF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL BE AS THE SAND OF THE SEA, A REMNANT SHALL BE SAVED: 28. FOR HE WILL FINISH THE WORK, AND CUT IT SHORT IN RIGHTEOUSNESS: BECAUSE A SHORT WORK WILL THE LORD MAKE UPON THE EARTH

downenray

@Evermyrtle I’m sorry you look in the Old Testament writings for information concerning the Christian age. The Israelites were blessed by God. No promises made to them apply past the first century A.D. That all ended at Calvary. Their temple was destroyed in 70 A.D. and will never be rebuilt since Christians now are the temple of God’s Spirit.

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@downenray @Evermyrtle Downenray, I must tell you in love that you are misguided. Study of the New Testament as well as the Old Testament will show this to be true. The Bible explains the Bible. It takes some time to digest it. I don’t know where you are getting your teaching – I simply ask you to go to the Bible only and do your study/research. What you are saying is not in the Bible. I will not hit you over the head with the Bible, but you have gone astray somewhere along the line. We disagree and part company on that basis. I do not care to do any more scripture postings on your behalf – it seems to be falling on deaf ears. The Bible is available for you to read in its entirety and it is very clear. I dodn’t argue with anyone about the Scriptures. I hope you understand.

Evermyrtle

@downenray I do not separate the O. T. from the N. T.The entire thing belongs to GOD Of course Christian means believing in CHRIST. JESUS CHRIST earthly family goes all the way back to Abraham according to Matthew 1:1 . If you go back to Genesis 11 you will find that Abraham descended from Adam and Eve. I know the modern peoples try to separate them and that is your right just as it is my right to believe it as it is written. I will not change, no matter how much I may be ridiculed not how many do the ridiculing.

On one branch of my family (I am a family history fanatic)I go back to 1bout 1300 in Germany. If it hadn’t been for those people in 1300 there would be no “me” today

downenray

@Evermyrtle You suggest the Old Testament is exactly equal with the apostolic writings. Perhaps you also believe Moses is exactly equal with Jesus? I surely have to disagree. Jesus saves. Only Jesus saves. Keeping the Old Testament (Mosaic) law was impossible, it turned out. The new replaced the old. You want them both to be equal. It appears you have things yet to learn about Christianity. I’m glad you search for truth. I fear you’ve found some poor teachers so far.

Evermyrtle

@downenray You are misreading what I am saying or just not understanding what I am saying. Even though there are many Old Testament Scriptures which refer to JESUS CHRIST. Genesis 1:26 being the first one, I firmly believe refers to JESUS CHRIST, and NO I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT MOSES OR ANYBODY EXCEPT GOD AND THE HOLY GHOST ARE EQUAL TO JESUS CHRIST. I hate the fact that I am a little spiteful, also but try not to use it on things that I discuss concerning my JESUS.

I am beginning to think my talents of explaining are very errant in what I believe about my GOD AND SAVIOR to cause people to think I believe such ridiculous things.

I believe I, like you have much to learn concerning GODS WORD but there is one difference in us, I will strive not to accuse you of any thing that is not true for any reason, one of which I will not get upset because you do not believe exactly as I do , I will give you the right to disagree,without any accusations.

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@Evermyrtle Thanks for your post – I appreciate your sharing this information and enjoyed it very much, We share a common faith and see what was foretold happening even now, day by day.

downenray

@Evermyrtle You suggest something I’d like to know more about. — HE said that Israel because of their disobedience the people would be taken from Israel and scattered all over the world, that 2,000 years later they would be given the land back. GOD kept HIS promise, in 1948 the land was returned to the Israelitish people.

Where is any apostolic writing that promises that some 2,000 years after 70 A.D. “they would be given the land back.” Some read into Old Testament prophesies such things, but I marvel anyone can twist those prophecies into what you claim. What I’d like to see is a reference to a prophecy made by people speaking for God in the years after Jesus was born which in any way suggest that land God promised to Abraham and which they enjoyed for many years would be restored to them two centuries later. I hope we all realize that the present government of Israel makes no pretense of being godly. They are pro-Israel, patriotic, and deserve our help. But they are not a godly nation.

Evermyrtle

@downenray Jeremiah 30 and 31; Ezekiel 34:11-31; Zechariah 8:6-17, are scriptures relating to this time but that is not what we are looking for. I make notes so that I can find these Scripture that I want to go back. Eventually I did not make a note of this or cannot determine how I labeled it. I will watch out for it and post it, if I can find it again. I just started again in my endeavor to read through the Bible.

NavyJR

@downenray Well that’s NOT going to happen because it was already SAID; much of what the OT prophets had to say has NOT YET happened or is just NOW happening! Part of that was the rebirth of the nation of Israel; and as I said before particularly in Isaiah!

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@NavyJR Yes, we are now seeing Bible prophecies happening every day now. Particularly with the falling away. So many are non-belivers or ones who are foresaking their faith. Those that endure to the end shall be saved.

downenray

@NavyJR Thanks for sharing your opinion. You’re not right, but you’re sure. The Old Testament prophecies about the restoration of the kingdom was given before the Babylonian captivity and were fully fulfilled with events when God’s people were returned to Jerusalem to reign there under the rule of their captors.

downenray

@Florida Girl What Christians are looking for now is the end of this world and the return of Jesus in triumph to establish a NEW universe after this one is destroyed by fire. It is not happening yet. The “signs” of which you speak are simply what Jesus said would continue until the end, and they have been occurring frequently through the years.

Evermyrtle

@NavyJR @downenray I have to agree with you what was prophetsized in the Old Testament is being fulfilled today. JESUS CHRIST IS coming back soon, I hope, before we have to go through the tribulation. When I read about that horrible seven years, I know that I do not want t be a part of it, especially the last 31/2 years. Some Bible educated people believe that we will go through it, others say, “not so”. my opinion is , I don’t know but I will trust JESUS CHRIST WILL SEE US THROUGH ALL THAT WE HAVE TO BEAR. FOR HIS SAKE

downenray

@Evermyrtle For some reason you want to suppose Old Testament prophets were speaking about what WE are now experiencing. They weren’t. Their message was for the people with whom they lived. Yes, they spoke of the future Messiah. That also was in an earlier time. We now await the return of Jesus which will happen when this earth is destroyed by fire. I urge every Christian to obey the messages given to US by apostles of Jesus. To try to find clues as to future happenings in Old Testament prophecies is not useful until we first learn all we can from what the apostles, who were led into all truth, want us to understand and do. And what they call for us is that we should live for Jesus every day, telling others about Him, and helping our neighbors and our nation all we can. He will come as unexpectedly as a “thief in the night.” That’s a prophecy we can rely on.

Evermyrtle

@downenray @NavyJR We have so many “experts” on GOD’S WORD’ here, it really baffles me why no two can agree all of the time, or even most of the time, or any of the time, of what we find in HIS WORD. Is it because we are not as expert as we think???

Harry Lawrence

As long as Islam considers me, and you,as Infidels I feel I am under (their) penalty of death. Now how am I supposed to love my Muslim neighbor when I know he is Muslim and wants me dead. Not too much room for love there! Something wrong here.

Evermyrtle

@Harry Lawrence What I find so hard to swallow, is not that they hate me but that they hate my GOD AND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST. The fact that they will kill me is not so important, because they will kill each other at the drop of a hat. Islamist are so consumed with hate, I cannot understand that hate, I cannot kill an obnoxious animal.

downenray

donl51 said @LARRY NIEMAN What you stated only applies when a person is born abroad must have both parents as US citizens,,Barak was born in the USA..his Mother A us citizen his father Kenyan…Stop living the god-damned lie. ———————————– RAY: I couldn’t find this comment which was sent to me by e-mail as having been sent to this blog. But I’d like for donl51 to know that Obama has NOT been proven to have been born in Hawaii. He has submitted a supposed copy of a supposed birth certificate which is obviously not what it is claimed to be. But a native-born citizen is presumed to have been brought up by patriotic citizens of THIS nation. I think that was the purpose for the requirement. Obama was brought up as a Muslim and a Communist (Marxist), and made no secret of his allegiances while he was in college here as a foreign student. He is not qualified even to be a citizen of the U.S.A. if he was enrolled in school in Indonesia as a citizen of that nation. He never changed his citizenship, so far as is known. For many years as a writer, he claimed to have been born in Kenya. Why would anyone think he was qualified to serve as our president?

LARRY NIEMAN

@downenray I AGREE WITH YOU 100%, THANK YOU. LARRY NIEMAN

dboyerdr

Larry you need to read our Constitution. For Obama to be a “natural born” citizen BOTH parents MUST be American citizens. The elder Obama who signed the birth certificate was NEVER an American citizen.!!!! Don’t believe me—–check it out yourself!!!

downenray

@dboyerdr The requirement is that the person must be “native-born” which has to do with being born on U.S.A. soil, with implications that the person will then be reared to be a patriotic citizen of this country. Obama was born somewhere. His early schooling was as a Muslim student in a Muslim nation, Indonesia. Later he was in the care of his mother’s parents, both committed Communists, and was taught and befriended by other Communists. Obama is in no way qualified to serve as President of the U.S.A.

Evermyrtle

@downenray Do you suppose that he and his followers, the liberals think they have GOD fooled?? I forget they don’t believe in GOD but that does not mean that he does not know what is going on. and that HE can handle that, too,. Remember He parted the Red Sea, he held the water back until the Children Of Israel crossee and then let it continue to floe capturing the Egyptians.

@downenray @LARRY NIEMAN Obozo was born in Kenya, he is not my president, nor should anyone who loves this country consider him to be the president. A mystic named Nostradamous has predicted that this president “Obozo” will be shot in front of the White House. Then we will have “uncle Joe” to deal with, and he is stupid enough to stick his foot in his mouth and give us all the ammunition we need to bring about mass impeachment proceedings. I can only hope so.

LARRY NIEMAN

downenray I AM 110% with you , JOE BIDEN has a reputation for saying the wrong things at the wrong time, and OBAMA has to go, and the sooner the better, thanks , LARRY NIEMAN

notreallyhere

Why be upset w/ Oboma when he’s the biggest shill you conservatives have!!,,,he’s already working on cutting SS and benefits seniors get to save Bushes tax agenda..for the big money makers,,./.check out c-span….stopped over to mention this news for you..any replies won’t reach me!..toodles!

AppraisHer

@donl51 Barry isn’t the biggest shill we conservatives have, that would be Boehner. But don’t worry about Barry’s tax agenda, when BarryCare hits, we’ll all be paying out the anus, including all you liberals that elected the fraud. Me, I want the repubs to walk away from the boy king and let him own it all. Won’t happen though, because of the aforementioned shill.

dboyerdr

I’M a conservative Republican and vote for candidates who seem to have “BALLS”. But it seems that the ones elected are emasculated the minute they enter the city limits of Washington D.C. and become RINOS!!!!

NavyJR

@dboyerdr They don’t get on our ballots unless they’re either members of , or strongly support, the CFR, and its agenda; and that’s been going on since before WILSON was elected a century ago! They become part of the problem; doesn’t matter which “party” seems to win, the CFR does win and America loses!

LARRY NIEMAN

@dboyerdr Iam a REPUBLICAN also, I am on your side, LARRY NIEMAN

NavyJR

@dboyerdr: The Feds have been monitoring since long before there was an Internet; and if sending some e-mails TO the WH, accusing him straight out of being a traitor to the oath he took, hasn’ t landed me in one by now, why worry? I’m too old to mess around with that PC crap, and just called him what he IS!

stormtrooper1991

Send in Black Jack Pershing. ( if only we could ) He knew how to deal with these animals.

NavyJR

@stormtrooper1991 There’s an idea; resurrect all the old, dead generals and send them in as ghosts! The Black Muslims at least likely wouldn’t handle that well at all; and likely the Arabs either from what I’ve heard. Dead people scare them!

LARRY NIEMAN

ddoried, THAT is exactly what i have been saying, you are mixing me up with someone else, LARRY NIEMAN

LARRY NIEMAN

aelka, YOU are right on the money, thank you LARRY NIEMAN

elki

FLORIDA GIRL, yes I saw that you tube obama admitting he is Muslim. So why is he sitting in the white hopuse when we are at war with muslims.

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

@elki It is a mystery to me. It seems he has already surrounded himself with his administration being infiltrated by Mulsim Brotherhood members and of course there is no justice in the Justice Dept. under Eric Holder. We have seemingly been dismantled from within. We have not found judges in the land who will oppose this power or threats and seemingly even the Supreme Court of the U.S. does not want to touch this issue with a ten-foot pole. We must depend on our Heavenly Father to manage this one. Humble ourselves and pray for mercy and deliverance.

Evermyrtle

@elki We must accept the fact, there is hope, GOD knows who is for HIM and who is against HIM and HE will bless HIS own. There are those who the imposter is fooling, and GOD know who they are, too. We can depend on GOD to look after HIS own. Makes no difference how scarey it may get GOD KNOWS who we are and that is what matters, when we get to the end of the road GOD will be waiting for us. ..

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@Evermyrtle Liked this comment to elki – you said it very well. Therre is a remnant who know G-d and He will care for us through the dark days ahead.

NavyJR

@elki The SHORT answer is that the CFR PUT him there! The long answer is a lot more complicated and convoluted!

notreallyhere

@florida girl..If he’s Muslim and in office then the GOP has failed to prove otherwise!..now you might know that the two muslim groups are at constant but right now subdued war w. one another,,the reason Iraq and Iran warred against one another was this very reason,,right now and it won’t last long ‘the enemy of my enemy is my friend ,,that enemy would be all not them!,,Iraq and syria represent one type be it Suni or Shi ite I don’t know but Iran represent the other,,as do the Saudi,,,sooner or later two great forces of infidels will face off over one another which falls nicely into the Muslim agenda over the lands and peoples of Syria, expendable collateral damage to both Muslim sects,,if we westerners don’t destroy the planet then the two Muslim factions will go to war!! Boener is by no means the biggest shill you have he cannot send forces to war but Oboma can and that is part of the Muslim agenda so if Obamas sitting on his laurels he’s simply awaiting the right time!…if we’re lucky the westernfactions ar war will turn the Middle east and oil rich lands to gkass and everyone will be broke!!

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@donl51 Yes, Muslim and in office. GOP has failed as have Independents and Democrats to get anywhere with this. Even with proof, judges and even Supreme Court steer clear of it. Very dangerous set of circumstances. However where there’s smoke, there’s fire. Someone is working on this some where under cover and maybe it will all come tumbling out and be rectified. Sadly, a lot of Americans just seem to care less about what is going on.

a The news media won’t touch any of these topics, even when they interview Obama himself and get these answers and are videoed doing so. All of a sudden it looks like they have just taken a stupid pill – they just sit there like big lumps, nodding head and blinking their eyes and have no natural reaction of surprise at all. Just move on to another subject, as if Obama has just made a statement about the weather: I think it is healthier for them this way, as many who try to bring the truth to the surface are silenced, probably with threat of harm to self and family. Really, the admissions on video by the golden one and his wife and family speak for themselves. We hear it right from his own mouth and nothing is done. This is a modern-day emperor has no clothes situation and no one will say it outloud. No one of authority will speak, only the everyday citizens seem to care about it in the least and we are called extremists, birthers, anything else to make the idea seem foolish. There are just no messengers to spread the news. It’s like they are stiffling every small fire and just produce a pitiful small amount of smoke. Remember the old saying though, “where there’s smoke, there’s fire”? There is a very big story here but it is apparently too dangerous for anyone to follow and expose as of yet. However having worked around government in an indirect way, things are always kept under wraps and denied Right up until the very moment that an announcement of that very thing is made. This deception is business as normal.

notreallyhere

@Florida Girl A lot of Americans are at wits end w/ whats going on and can do nothing about it..others are fighting for survival w/ jobs still being outsourced!.add to this this division of our people….compromises must be made or we’ll all be slaves or dead!!..I used to like alternet years back,,well no more,,its a loop like this site w/the same people and same ideas and quite frankly I don’t like either site..liberals /conservatives..stuck in the mud..those in between who haven’t been given a name are very concerned and they may be independents Democrats or republicans..My Gov. Christi who we always kiddingly say can eat your Gov,,well he’s republican..he doesn’t like that other BS..if He ran..I’d probably vote for him…he takes care of ‘all’ the people of his state,,special interest groups don’t care for him for their own selfish reasons..which isn’t fair!!…Tomorrow the world ends and Tues, Christmas ,,have a merry one!..

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@donl51 Hello, I like your Gov. Christi, he’s a regular guy who tells it like it is. Barbara Walters was not too nice in her interview with him about his weight. He’s a great guy, hopefully for better health he can get on a regimen to take off some weight but he is a very active guy I know. But can’t fight off diabetes and heart disease forever at that weight. I felt Barbara WaWa was a little rude. Heavy people as well as skinny people are very self-conscious about their weight. ( I am 5′ 6″ and when I got married I weighed about 99 lbs) If they knew how to do something about it they would. I mean, he could have made a remark about her speech effecting her chosen vocation adversely (she didn’t like the jokes and nickname “Barbara WaWa” but she sort of does it to others for a living). Anyway he could eat our skrawny Gov. Scott, but he might be a little tough. Gov. Christi has a good sense of humor also. Have a Happy Christmas. It’s almost here.

Amvet

@donl51 @florida

Obama is just a tool and most liberals are just sheep that have been sucked into the fold. Here is a partial response from a fellow blogger with a very enlightening video that needs to be seen by all “Americans”. This video gives you many of the answers of why the United States is in such great turmoil. Through Obama and his band of co-conspirators and puppet masters he has destroyed our economy, widen the gap between those that have and those that have not and set civil rights and racism back to the 1950’s. You have to watch what he does, not what he says he will do because they are not the same. He only says what you want to hear him say; but, if it isn’t in his plans it will never be done. Every created or unfortunate gun issue gives him and his cronies more persuasive arguments to take the only defense against their end goal, Our Second Amendment. The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution is the part of the United States Bill of Rights that protects the right of the people to keep and bear arms. This was put in the Bill of Rights to not only protect us individually but to protect us from the likes of Hitler, Marx, Chavis and any other that would try to take control of Our personal rights and liberties as a Nation. “This Politically Correct tolerance movement is the work of Antonio Gramsci and Frankfurt School whose agenda was to take down a Judeo/Christian culture from within. The only religion the left has a problem with is biblical Christianity now why is that? This is the most comprehensive, best movie I have seen pulling all this together. Watch it. Share it. It should be mandatory viewing for anyone who loves this country.” https://vimeo.com/52009124 if that is not working try this: https://vimeo.com/16647512

JLP5871

muslum obama is commander in chief – am happy i am not in the service at this time with a commander like turd obama- can under stand obamos concern with islamist being called murders because it names him as one too

notreallyhere

Be he Muslim or not,,a decent Prez,.. or not I’m likeing what his OBAMA CARE is doing..,,before I could find a non-rediculus Medicare D ..RX plan I was shelling out nearly 1000.00 a month in meds..and few other script necessary things..Pharmacies are jumping on the Bandwagon creating their own RX plans for all ages,,I dumped my current RX ins ..for one that makes sense ,,carries all my drugs,,some name brand as before..and saving a bundle…. and guess what! this is bound to cause some RX insurers to drop their prices!

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@donl51 Wow, that $1,000 a month in meds was ridiculous. Unfortunately the pharmacies just soak up the money. We were fortunate enough to find a $0 premium per month plan which supplies our generic prescriptions (3 month supply mail order) for $0. Most of our meds are on the formulary. I only have 2 that were dropped two years or so ago via changes made to Medicare. I guess they figure old folks don’t need ‘em (analgesics etc). The only part that hurts in the plan we changed to (and is going up next year) are the co-pays for doctor visits and med procedures. But I am so happy with no charge for generics. Are you certain that your new affordable plan is a result of Obamacare? I was under the impression that it doesn’t start until 2013. (let’s not give him un-due credit for benefits we already have) Do I sound like a sore loser? haha. I have trouble seeing anything worth giving him credit for.

NavyJR

@Florida Girl Unfortunately some of the Medicare plans have been “anticipating ” what’s coming with Obamacare; and some of it is already in effect too; it’s a very confusing set of laws all around, I saw some changes in my plan relating to it this last year and a lot more for this next year! I got “lucky” and have the VA as the “medigap” that many seniors have to purchase. But costs are going up for all of us and many plans are trimming what is or isn’t covered already, even though it doesn’t fully kick in ’til ’14!

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@NavyJR Thanks for the good information, that is right what you say. I just had to poke ‘O’ in the eye a little bit. The VA is great – my husband goes there but his disability isn’t service-connected so he pays a small charge for dr visits and meds. He also has outside drs just in case we need local emergency help. We have a very nice VA hospital in West Palm Beach, FL. When it was built, it was so great for this area. We are only about 40 minutes away so it is a blessing.

NavyJR

@Florida Girl You’re welcome; I do have a service connected, so some of my meds and my appointments are no co-pay, but not all the meds. and most of what I use is not pharmaceutical in any case, so comes out of pocket. My local VA is just across town, an old Army post from the Spanish American war era, so a LOT of historic old buildings on it. I’m out in Prescott, AZ.

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@NavyJR Well it’s nice to make your acquaintance and thank you for your service. Am sorry you do have service connected injury but you are what has made our country great and we appreciate you. Don’t ever forget that. My dad was in the Navy and my husband the Marines. The VA at the old Army post sounds interesting – Wish we could visit and see it. Travel is out of our realm of possibility now. Walker, wheelchair, oxygen, CPAP – what a bunch of equipment would have to go with us. LOL.

NavyJR

@Florida Girl Same here, and thank our husband; I don’t suppose your Dad is still around either. I know what you mean. Getting old is such a HASSLE! It’s as bad as traveling with a baby!

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@NavyJR My husband’s father was also a Marine.. He was killed in Korean War when my husband was about 10 yrs old and was awarded the Congressional Metal of Honor posthumously for his bravery. So my husband thought he should be in the Marines also. He served two years and then said no thank you for any more. LOL. My dad and Mom are gone now. I am fortunate to have all of my sibllings still living. And I’m next to the youngest (and I’m not too young). I just had the same thought the other day when we were going somewhere about how much like traveling with a baby this was. Might as well laugh as to cry, as my Grandmother used to say. We require spare parts.

NavyJR

@Florida Girl Tell me about it; I do too, just different ones. Your grandmother was right; besides it takes fewer muscles to smile than to frown, literally Have a Merry Christmas and happy New Year.

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@NavyJR Thanks and Happy Christmas/New Year to you and yours.

Evermyrtle

@Florida Girl @NavyJR Right!! I’d like to thank every person who has serve time in the armed forces to protect our country and the O is against them. The hypocrite.

Evermyrtle

@Florida Girl @NavyJR My husband became of age at the very end of WWII. He was on the way to Japan when the war ended. Therefore he missed all battle experiences.

downenray

@Florida Girl @NavyJR

notreallyhere

@Florida Girl I understand what you’re saying about not giving him one iota of extra credit,,but its because of Obamacre that Pharmacies are starting this ..and it’s based mostly on generics which I take..as well,,like Singulair was 224.00 Montelukast is 54.00 which is the actual product ,,that’s to keep me breathing..,,thyroid meds are 1/3rd what they were others 1/2 their generic..and Ventolen which is a rescue inhaler I get 4 per mon. currently at 44 bucks each is about 1/3rd less than before which was 1/2 of what I was getting before ,,now I’m looking to buying these from a Canadian co, via online at 2 for less than one at current..but am concerned….the fact that you buy online is a positive note!!….Walgrens which I’d always seen as expensive to begin with is 15.00 per mo.plus a co-pay which is generally pretty low…certainly by comparison..and a colleague said go back to Medicare and they have an even better plan ..’Elder Care’…UGH!!

BTW Our politics may differ in some ways…but I personally cannot stand that man or his ideas….and when I read Florida Girl I don’t think Senior Citizen haha!,,..thanks for your input!!

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@donl51 I really enjoy reading your posts and enjoy the conversations. I got my name from listening to the CB. Every year when we used to drive on vacation, when you got almost to the Alabama line, there was a lady always on the CB traffic channel and her handle was “Florida Girl”. I sort of took it for use on the computer. Although my handle on CB was Gingersnap. CB used to be really fun and enjoyed it. Now don’t have base station or mobile in car. I love the traffic channel and I monitored it when I wasn’t at work. All the truck drivers used to holler for you when they got near. Was fun.

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@donl51 I was a ratchet jaw – can’t you tell?

notreallyhere

@Florida Girl My Wife and I used to go on long trips and offroading way back into Utah etc and a CB in a truck was a life saver..my wife was given the name Hell on wheels ..as when it was her time to drive she’d put metal to the pedal on the road in an old Rover that wasn’t built for speed..her names Hel’n..now she goes by ‘Gonzo gun girl’,,.when on the interenet!!….a ratchet jaw ‘eh?..heh heh!

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@donl51 Ah, then y’all know the joys of CB’ing, pedal to the metal, watching out for bears and all that business. Sounds like your wife knows how to move on down the road! I think talking on the CB helped me get over my shyness and be able to converse with people. I was painfully shy until I really got to know people. Now I’m talking and I can’t shut up. Yes, a ratchet jaw.

paxcat

@Florida Girl @donl51 As my husband sells Medicare suppl. plans and is an independent broker of those and long term care, all the plans are making changes constantly as none of them know what to expect in reality when the Obamacare travesty hits the wall. Some of the clinics of his customers have changed the plans they accept. I know he helped one lady who had a scrip which was costing her a lot each mo., and my husband figured out that if her doc would prescribe it as smaller mg. pills, that the cost dropped dramatically. She was able to do that, and voila, her out of pocket went way down with no harm to her. Each plan is different, and I know he works very hard with the underwriters of each to figure out exactly what each plan does and what it doesn’t do – as it’s all in the interpretation of the law v. the words in the plan. However, costs in general have gone up almost across the board, and this will probably continue.

notreallyhere

@paxcat @Florida Girl Pax why call what helps us pay a lot less for RX and Health ins a travestry when Obama is spending out the ass to bomb every country in sight ..,try take away our rights to own a gun,,etc..Your husband is but one in a million who sell Pharmaceuticals and can do what he does!…in a capitalist country more than any other style prices rise and with this Climate Change Globally taking over its gonna get a lot worse,,COLA is rising expodentially in leaps and bounds while our Soc. Sec. Cola went up a whopping 1.7% for 2013….We’re not rich we both worked hard ..paid in ..saved for retirement, lost in house equity…..Sorry but right now with more out of a job than in one ,..and no promises and few loyalties,,…the Conservative agenda won’t work!! and I’ve voted republican a number of times!!

notreallyhere

@paxcat @Florida Girl@paxcat Pax why call what helps us pay a lot less for RX and Health ins a travestry when Obama is spending out the ass to bomb every country in sight ..,try take away our rights to own a gun,,etc..Your husband is but one in a million who sell Pharmaceuticals and can do what he does!…in a capitalist country more than any other style prices rise and with this Climate Change Globally taking over its gonna get a lot worse,,COLA is rising expodentially in leaps and bounds while our Soc. Sec. Cola went up a whopping 1.7% for 2013….We’re not rich we both worked hard ..paid in ..saved for retirement, lost in house equity…..Sorry but right now with more out of a job than in one ,..and no promises and few loyalties,,…the Conservative agenda won’t work!! and I’ve voted republican a number of times!!

notreallyhere

@donl51,,,,,oops! how’d that happen?

paxcat

@donl51 @Florida Girl Because it doesn’t cost less, it costs more! DUH! My husband does not sell pharmaceuticals, so please read and comprehend what you read first before responding! Thanks.

Evermyrtle

@Florida Girl @donl51 I wish I could find such a wonderful thing. I have a special medication insurance that supposed to help me but so far it pays a small portion of the medicine bill . The insurance cost more that the amount that they pay.

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@Evermyrtle @donl51 Well Evermyrtle, it seems “change” in all medical plans is the new normal so I hope you can find a more reasonable and helpful one. There are good agents out there, like Paxcat’s husband, who will work very hard to try to find a plan that covers more for yoou. Like donl51 was sharing about having previously paid near $1,000/mo for Rx’s, it’s hard to even afford other household bills, etc. Good thing our generation knows how to cut out the extras and live modestly. Still not enough money left to pay homeowners ins., etc.; I have considered moving closer to my sister for mutual support system, but they are in a little town in Southern Alabama and have to travel a ways to get good medical care and the VA hospitals are in Montgomery and Birmingham. So although it sounds good to be near her it would onlly present a bigger problem with medical care. But I would love to be 5 minutes away from her. Both our husbands are disabled and I could go out shopping while she stays home and cooks or does laundry. She just had an emergency hip replacement and is recovering well, although there is so much she can’t move around safely to do yet. We always dreamed of having one big house and combining households. So I guess it is just a dream. The VA has remodeled their house in Alabama and my brother-in-law says the only place he’s going to move again in 6 ft under (LOL) We are in South Florida and last time they visited some years ago, they came back from the grocery store and said “everyone here looks like they need to be clipped and dipped”. Up there, everyone knows everyone and word (gossip) travels like lightening. It is farm country though and I can just feel my blood pressure going down as we drive by miles of corn fields, etc. . Here we have the Atlantic Ocean and we’re about five miles away. it’s beautiful and calming too. Have to deal with what we’ve got it seems.

dollarbill

I was surprised to see all the negative comments from conservatives like me. I didnt keep the posting and have totally forgotton what I wrote but often I get to typing so fast to keep up with my crusty little brain that I leave words out. I am not saying this is what I did but let me clarify my intent with my comments.

I am a Christian and have no love for radical Islamists but the LEAST we should expect is; If we must kow tow to any group it better be reciprocated. if one is an Athiest, Antgonistic, Muslim, Christian or any other faith they are all due the same public respect. At no time should one person be able to overcome a majority action. there is no valid reason to remove the trappings of individual faiths just because one or two people dont agree and want to get some publicity by making a complaint etc. Radical Islam is far different than average Muslim and deserves no respect at all treat them the way the treat others.

I do believe the president is a Muslim, in fact I watched a video of a speech where he admitted he was Muslim and always would be one, he was able recite the call to prayer and I believe the prayer is perfect accent. I also read his books and they make no bones about the fact his father hated America and wanted to bring it down and now i cant believe even the most radical Liberal American cant see that he is working to destroy the American economy and lower the standard of living to that of most socialist nations.

Evermyrtle

@dollarbill You are right, I am a Christian and also a sinner. That makes it easy to see where the anti-GOD, anti-CHRIST are coming from. Being a Christian s hard work, when you have evil coming at you from every point. Not only are these antichrist against HIM they are not happy that we are not against HIM also. They are so childish in their play at harassing and ridicule, they are pathetic in the way they work and the seeming hopeless situation that it seems that we can do no good at changing them. It is so obvious what they are about. We need to pray more earnestly for each one of them.

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@Evermyrtle Hi Evermyrtle, I enjoyed your answer to dollarbill. It is a sad day we live in with all of the anti-G-d people, but perhaps just exposing them to the truth is our mission. At least they can’t say they weren’t told – The Holy Spirit must speak to their heart and convince them to believe and convict them into repentance. It’s just good to encourage each other and llke you said pray more earnestly for each of them.

Evermyrtle

@Florida Girl @Evermyrtle I think it is the duty of a Christian to witness by mouth or as we are doing by the printed word. There are many who do not want to read it. but there are many who do . If I can bring one person to GOD through all the hours I have worked in this, I will be rewarded.

What I do not understand are those who read them and then write an hate filled reply. If they don’t like them, why do the they read them. If I do not like certain comments, I don’t read them, nor do I critize them, because I don’t know what is in them

So far all that I have read of yours was good good Christian comments and are a pleasure to read. This is what I do for enjoyment. There is not a lot of available choices for fun at age 82.

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@Evermyrtle What a nice comment and I feel the same way. All we can do is give our testimony. If someone else doesn’t like it, that’s the breaks.. Being a Christian gives us a sense of worth and no need to unnecessarily cut others down. I agree, if they don’t like a post, move on down the road. Replying with sarcasm and hate is just reflective of what is inside of them. We can’t help that we spread goodness and lilght to those who will accept it. It’s a blessing. Especially since I had aggressive type of cancer 10 years ago. I really feel born again in the physical sense and don’t want to waste a minute being bitter and nasty to others. G-d has been so good to me. I am forever thankful and I share this with all my doctors. They need a witness and encouragement, too. I love your posts and happy you are sharing and having fun at 82. Doing great – I’m not quite 70 and I love doing this for enjoyment also. Everywhere I go I try to share if the opportunity comes up. Even if it’s hospital or rehab center, I use it for a missionary trip. Supprisingly lots of patients as well as medical workers need what we share. I try to give out a little book I order from Inspiration House called “God Calling”. I have quite a little ministry going here, all because of my or my husband’s medical condition. There is good in every circumstance but you may have to hunt it down. Be blessed.

downenray

@Florida Girl You suggest that it’s the duty of the Spirit to “speak to” and “convince” those who do not know the truth. But there’s nothing in apostolic writings to suggest that the Spirit is to do these things. Jesus gave a commission to PEOPLE that we should carry gospel truth with us wherever we go in the world. He didn’t commission the Spirit to do the evangelizing. Or to exhort fellow Christians, which is another job assigned to Christians.

If a sinner continues in sin, that’s not God’s fault, for He calls for us who love Jesus to tell others about Him and to encourage one another to live for Him. Why do some suppose our work should be done by the Spirit? The Spirit led the apostles and taught THEM all truth. We have apostolic writings to help us walk with Jesus. But it is OUR job to tell others about Jesus and to win them to Him. That’s not in any way the responsibility of the Holy Spirit.

Evermyrtle

@Florida Girl I do the same thing, if you get right down to the brass tacks of this thing, if we who claim to love HIM do not tell about HIM and HIS wonders and HIS promices, who will do it? It is a sad fact, so many believers shun getting called name annd being callled stupid for witnessing and don;t witness.. They do not seem to realize the it exactly what the name callers and ridiculers are working for, to shut us up. Well they are in for a long dry haul because HIS faithful ones wil not “SHUT UP!” We sill continue to sing praises to hIS Name.

Evermyrtle

@downenray @Florida Girl You are so blessed that tyou still have you husband, I lost my almsot 26 years ago. I miss him more at this time of the year because he seemed to get so much good out of having his famiy around and being able to share with us. WE had two grands that had his whole heart, the youngest had just started taking her first steps and did he relish those little steps.

Evermyrtle

@Florida Girl You are so blessed to still have your husband . I lost mine almost 26 years ago. I still miss him at Christimas. He got so much joy out of having his family around. Our youngest grandchil was taking her first steps. What joy that gave him.

Evermyrtle

@downenray @Florida Girl How we live is absolutely our responsibility. He will give us all of the help we need if we will allow HIM ot do so but HE does not force HIS way, even thought HE blesses us aan helps us constantly without being asked because He loves us. THE FATHER, THE SON, THE HOLY GOHST have no duties. They are the purest of love and do what they do because they love us, through that love. It is aabsolutely free.

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@Evermyrtle I have heard what you say so manytimes from widows. And I think it is a very hard thing – my husband is such a part of me (as was yours to you),Twenty-six years is such a long time and I know you must miss him immensely. I can’t imaging life without my husband.) I thank God for saving his life so many times, as he as been near death’s door many times. I pray many blessing for you this Christmas and the rest of the Holiday season. We have no children so we do not know that joy and the joy of grandchildren. We have cats and a dog who we treat like kids (ha ha). I will remember you in my prayers.

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@Evermyrtle I know, Evermyrtle. But the name calling is simply because they don’t know what else to say in order to discourage us. Too late!

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@downenray Later on when I have more time, I will come back to this subject. But you have a unique ability to miscontrue and turn things around. I have in no ways said or implied that I do not carry the gospel truth where ever I go. I didn’t say the Holy Spriti does the evangelizing – you made this part of it up. I simply say that the Spirit speaks to their heart that this is truth. I really wish you would not read into my statements and add stuff I don’t believe to them. If you go back and read any and all of my posts, I tell everyone about G-d, the Trinity, especially since I have been saved from dying from cancer. I speak at every opportunity I get. I really don’t care for your technique, but I will still try to get back with you on the subject after Christmas, when I have time to devote to this. However, they are right there in the Bible and you could do it yourself. You seem to minimize the New Testament in my viewpoint. You are hard to talk with because you go out on a tangent about something I did not say. I am not on the defense her, neither is God. It is all in the Bible. Until we talk again, maybe you can browse around and pray the ability to understand it correctlly. As I say, you read into things I have said that I didn’t say, and I don’t think you are enjoyable to go back and forth with. I will converse later, but I will not argue with you.

Evermyrtle

@Florida Girl @Evermyrtle One thing that really bothers me, there were signs that he had problems but I did not recognize them until too late, I am sure that he knew, something was bad wrong, just didn’t want to do anything about it. The fact that I tole him about before he “dropped deed’ at my feet, ” I am going to call the doctor tomorrow and make an appointment for you. He answered, DON’T, BECAUSE I AM NOT GOING!!’ I think, maybe if I had done so, things would have different. “Who knows?”

downenray

@Florida Girl I’m sorry you don’t understand the meaning of what you’re saying. It’s good to believe in God. It’s bad to believe God does what He has told US to do. If He was going to do it, why would He instruct US to do it? I did not make up what you said. I simply pointed out that what you said you had prayed that God would do was what God had said WE are to do. I figure He knows best.

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navyJR That is interesting – I call these connections “God Trails”. Often in my Bible study or research, I will read something, then next day hear it on radio or talke show, then read another article, etc.; It is amazing how it all comes together when G-d has a strong point to make. He repeats it until we get it and know it’s from Him. Sometimes I have been wondering where some scripture was, opened the Bible right to the very page. This does not happen frequently, but G-d will lead you if you are responsive. May lead us individually in different ways, but we begin to know how it works with us (learn to hear his voice) and see what He wants to reveal or re-enforce to us. It really doesn’t matter if other people believe this. Sometimes it’s best to just be quiet and not let someone put out your fire with negativity. If your search is serious and with your whole heart, G-d will be found. Also we can only absorb so much at one time so the process can be slow. That’s where many give up or get frustrated. We want knowledge instantly, like our McDonald’s Quarter Pounder. With G-d, it’s in His timeframe. Hard lesson to learn because of human nature I guess. I’d rather wait and have it His perfect way, then jump in and delay my own benefit/blessing. So we have a God Trail going – terrific. Will watch the documentary as soon as I can. Being a caregiver full time doesn’t always give me free time when I want it. But I will eventually be provided time to watch/study it.

NavyJR

@Florida Girl I’ve got some of them been “tracking” over 60 years now. Some of the pieces of this have been collecting that long in my wee little head.

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@NavyJR Now that’s what I call deligence and patience. Good for you.

NavyJR

@Florida Girl Truth be told, I think you have to chalk that one up to a really good memory, generally, and things just “falling in my lap” at times.

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@NavyJR I know it happens this way, too. Still sounds like a God trail with it “falling into your lap” That’s what I’m talking about.

NavyJR

@Florida Girl Some of this I’d really rather not know about; and I’d sure rather be WRONG about!

SirJack74

After that event there would be no shortage of glass. Oh Please allow me to say what you troops are not allowed to say. then give you an educational video by a former Islamic.

Islam is of Satan, your prophet is a pedophile, and your Allah is a stone, deaf dumb and blind. AND that is free speech.

MY FELLOW Patriots of America, I RAN ACROSS THIS MOVIE ABOUT ISLAM AND HOW IT STARTED it is very interesting with much RESEARCH MATERIAL ATTACHED. http://vinienco.com/2012/12/16/innocent-prophet-full-move-watch-cry… That Movie was/is disturbing yet confirmed all that I know of Islam. As an instrument of knowing your enemy this movie has great value, and worth the time spent. And also shows the weak mind of its followers so ready to take in a manner that would allow them to satisfy their primal urges such as Obama, Holder, Pelosi, Reid and most if not all of Washington DC. By this film one can really see the Spiritual warfare that is being waged as we speak. We have a living God that answers our prayers, not a stone that nether speaks, hears or is capable of seeing. To fight this evil we as a people of God need to seek His wisdom for/in our lives.

SirJack74

After that event there would be no shortage of glass. Oh please allow me to say what you troops are not allowed to say. then give you an educational video by a former Islamic.

Islam is of Satan, your prophet is a pedophile, and your Allah is a stone, deaf dumb and blind. AND that is free speech.

MY FELLOW Patriots of America, I RAN ACROSS THIS MOVIE ABOUT ISLAM AND HOW IT STARTED it is very interesting with much RESEARCH MATERIAL ATTACHED. http://vinienco.com/2012/12/16/innocent-prophet-full-move-watch-cry… That Movie was/is disturbing yet confirmed all that I know of Islam. As an instrument of knowing your enemy this movie has great value, and worth the time spent. And also shows the weak mind of its followers so ready to take in a manner that would allow them to satisfy their primal urges such as Obama, Holder, Pelosi, Reid and most if not all of Washington DC. By this film one can really see the Spiritual warfare that is being waged as we speak. We have a living God that answers our prayers, not a stone that nether speaks, hears or is capable of seeing. To fight this evil we as a people of God need to seek His wisdom for/in our lives.

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

@SirJack74 Thanks, Sir Jack. I have save the info. and want to watch it as soon as I can. What with Christmas so close, it may take me a little while to get back to it. But I want very much to see it. Happy Christmas/New Year.

NavyJR

@SirJack74 Watched about the first 20 minutes of it and saw more than I needed to see, coupled with what I already knew of his history. Lots of us grew up in abusive and “abandoned” situations and didn’t turn into murdering, raping pedophiles who believe we have a right to take whatever we want and kill people for not believing as we do! Some even have the occasional “good” idea. Most of the Quran was actually NOT written by Muhammad , but by his followers after his death, so whether his actual words or not is up for grabs. It’s doubtful Muhammad himself could even write his own name.

big koala

Those of you quoting Biblical fairy tales should be aware that you’re quoting from a book that has a talking snake and a conversation between Baalem and his donkey, a man living inside of a big fish, the dead being brought back to life, and someone dying thousands of years ago to atone for sins committed centuries after his death. What a lot of nonsense!

Evermyrtle

@big koala Why does it bother you that we believe in these “fairy tales?” If it makes us happy why do you care?We would love to convince you that our “fary tales” are true, but you are determined not to believe but turn us away., Why is that? I really do not understand that. You are obviously not as we are, we are happy in our beleifs, you are very unhappy it seems, with your non belief.

Actually we are so confident and happy about our beleifs that we do not call you names or ridicule you even thoughyour beliefs ar opposite to yours. That is caused by love for you and for GOD and HIS SON.

RonaldChristopher

@Evermyrtle @big koala He cares because he wants the rest of us to live in misery like he does. From what he speaks, he has no hope for anything, born, live and die. That is it. Then what is the purpose of being born? He has experienced the power of God, but he refuses to acknowledge it. Everything is about him.

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

@big koala This may be nonsense to youo, but you have not experienced the power of G-d yet. Miracles and supernatural experiences are recorded in the Bible. There are still miracles happening today. You can deny this all you want, it does not make it untrue. There are still dead people being brought back to life today. But why would you believe it? There are actual videos of this happening and people who give personal testimonies, but there is none so blind that they won’t see or hear. Your doubt stands in your way. There were doubters in the Bible also. What don’t you read about them and how they came to be believers? Miracles are recorded. If it happened to you, you might not consider it such nonsense. Respectfuolly suggesting you keep reading the Bible, you might begin to understand a little more of God’s nature and power. And he loves us.

NavyJR

@big koala I don’t find a talking donkey such a stretch; we seem to have conversations with quite a few of them on such sites as this, often! As for the “snake” well that’s as NEAR an English word as possible to what the Hebrew was trying to convey; but it wasn’t a creature in the sense of a “lower” animal, in the Garden, it was in fact a person of a different species from human, and maybe some of the “space” aliens are of the same species as that one; THAT I can’t say. But the person that was is still around and still up to his same tricks; and YOU happen to be proving that with great regularity!

NavyJR

@big koala BTW, I’ve SEEN the dead come back to life; even participated in it; it’s called “resuscitation”, and it happens with great regularity these days.

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

@NavyJR Yes it does happen today and with regularity. So wonderful for you to have participated in it. We are going to be seeing more and more of this. The evil will increase, but so will the good and the miracles.

notreallyhere

@NavyJR do they report seeing god?

big koala

Islam is no more ridiculous than any other religion that believes in an invisible man in the sky watching over us. They are all simply variations of the same nonsense, that you live after you die, that the universe cares about the human species, that believing this or that ancient book will give you answers for the 21st Century, etc. These writings and ideas are all products of the Bronze Age mind, which knew nothing about germs, the universe, DNA, the functions of our internal organs, the shape and size of the earth and its relation to the sun and moon, etc. Get an education, read the Bible for its great poetry and stories, but it’s not the word of any god or gods.

LARRY NIEMAN

@big koala you are really out of touch, THE scientist and hig up religious figures wanted to find out ”SCIENTIFICALLY” if the things that JESUS and JOSEPH, the BURNING BUSH, the parting of the ”RED SEA” etc, so the UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA, and these scientist , went to the places that these events took place 100 ‘s of years ago, and they found that ”YES” these thing could have happened, so check it out for your self, all of us are ”IGNORANT IN MANY WAYS, but please don’t let IGNORANCE TURN INTO ”STUPIDITY” thank you LARRY NIEMAN

Evermyrtle

@LARRY NIEMAN @big koala I am afraid that “big kI hope I am wrong but as oala” is not merely misinformed, he is one of those who is determined to destroy our faith in THE FATHER, THE SON AND THE HOLY GHOST. I do not believe that he has the slightest that this work is futile. I hope I am wrong but as Matthew 7:15-21, you know a tree by the fruit it bears.

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

@big koala Sorry, You have reached us too late. We have a personal relationship with G-d and know for a fact He is real. The big difference with Islam is that they wish to kill all who do not believe as they do; we are infidels and that includes you. There have been some scriptures laid out and apparently you do or have read them and are familiar with some of its stories and poetic verses. For those of us who have been converted and go deeper, we pray for the salvation of the world, we don’t try to force it on anyone. G-d even leaves mankind free to believe or not, He knocks on the door of our heart, we have to open it to Him. We could call what you believe nonsense, but it would do not good, only stir up controversy. We do have an education, also we read, learn and believe the Bible. Some with an education do not believe. I wish you a very Merry Christmas and a Happy and Healthy New Year.

NavyJR

@big koala Maybe you should read the take published by Muslim American father and son historians Walid and Ted Shoebat on that before you make up your mind; because THEY believe the Allah of Islam is also the moon god of Babylon that Abram rejected in favor of YHWH, and further back known as Alla, a god of war and violence. Interesting side note is that the 2 different spellings also have different pronunciations, according to a good friend of mine, who happens to be an Egyptian, and the peoples in 4 of the major nations surrounding and bordering Israel still use the OLDER pronunciation!

PLT SGT CHE

@NavyJR @big koala Thanks Navy—History always defeats the convinced opinionated who are fond of rewriting history and denying the truth. Some men who can not explain life or to accept God as the Creator of all things- -simply deny God— thinking themselves wise in their own eyes they bewcame fools..

RonaldChristopher

@big koala There will come a time when you will be given one last chance to accept Jesus Christ. This will come as a personal visit from Christ Himself. If you refuse then you will spend eternity in Hell. You really are an uneducated individual are you not “big koala?”

downenray

@RonaldChristopher Your “personal visit from Christ Himself” is something you made up rather than anything taught by Jesus or His apostles. We do well to study and believe what the Bible teaches. Truth is found there.

RonaldChristopher

@downenray I oft times wonder what you people are reading. You lack understanding of what you see. I did not say I had a personal visit. However, my uncle had a personal visit and then he died. The story is written up in my book about my grandmother, a biography of her life. You can find it on Amazon (Coming of the Storm Clouds). It is one of 5 books I have had published so far. I shall not attempt to explain that to you for you have no understanding. But I offer this: Not every thing that happens or has happened is explained in the Bible. many more things were done that what is written.

downenray

@big koala If you get to experience living in a nation controlled by Islam, you will change your tune. Unbelievers are killed. Those who reject Allah are unbelievers. If their heresy is made public they will be destroyed. Islam is in no way comparable to any Christian religion. We believe verifiable truth. Our Savior was publicly put to death and a few days later was seen to be alive again by many witnesses who then spent their lives telling others about the risen Lord. He taught about the Creator God. There’s every reason to believe what He taught. He taught us to love even our enemies such as devout Muslims who seek to destroy us. He calls for us to tell others about Him. So of course we do so. Christianity makes good sense.

LARRY NIEMAN

big koala, IT is quite evident that you have lost the TRUTH of the HOLY BIBLE, these things that you refer to , were the way the people in that era express what they were trying to get us to understand, so instead of critisizing these people, PLEASE try to understand the way these people in these days tried to let us know what was going on, we all need to help one and othere, working agains one and others only causes dificolties, thank you and GOD BLESS YOU , LARRY NIEMAN

PaulChristensen

It amazes me how some try to categorize everyone into the group without thinking. They claim everyone was a dumb as a rock and wrote fairy tails. While iit is true there were many illiterate that is not the entire case. And yes they did not have the electronics that we have today but there are many stupid people today and they too believe in following the media that produces nothing but fairy tales. OK mister bright guy read Isaiah and “Revelations and enlighten me. And one more thing do 1/10th of the things that the Son of Man did. Yes some think they are educated and some so so even because they have a degree. It is the degree to them hat says it all.

Evermyrtle

@PaulChristensen Excellent response to those who love to call those idiots that believe in GOD AND HIS WORD, the greatest truth and the greatest source of wisdom, available, today.

notreallyhere

I’d really like to know why so many people of all faiths must rely on their idea than a creator is looking over them;,,these people simply can’t face the fact that we were created as was the entire Universe so far out of nothing..why does there have to be a creator of it all? and where did this creator come from? out of nothing? people can’t face the fact that dead is dead,,there always must be something afterwards! ..why?..its a loop!..that’s why I and so many others came to the reasoning that man created god then later the faiths!!..even the Pagans!..or so called pagans because quite frankly ,I see very little difference between today worship and yester years!… My parting words and I’m certain many will be happy about that..met some fine people during my visit and passed this location onto others!..happy new year!

Evermyrtle

@donl51 I really would like to understand what it is that is driving your to disinform us of our beliefs. IT cannot possibly be doin you any harm and it makes us happy to know and beieve in GOD AND JESUS CHRIST HIS SON. iF YOU WOULD, WE SOULD BE HAPPY TO INTRODUCE YU TO THEM AND ALLOW YOU TO BE HAPPY WITH US.

Do you believe in good and evil? If you do not beleive inour GOD how do explain good and evil? What makes the difference in good practices and evil practices? There must be an answer, somewhere.

notreallyhere

@Evermyrtle Not disinformation..

NavyJR

@donl51 For my part, it’s that I’ve seen enough explosions up close and personal, and even “shaped, controlled” explosions create ONLY chaos, yet the UNIVERSE is very well ordered and runs by a set of laws, which we still poorly understand, but CAN’T break without serious consequences. Or if you will, the creation of a complete human being from a single fertilized ovum; a single cell, in fact. If you can’t see the hand of a Creator in that, who set in place the rules by which such a thing happens, instead of a useless tumor, I feel exceedingly sorry for you. God told us that “before time I was”, and that creation was “spoken” into existence by His Word! HOW that works exactly, I sure can’t explain, but it wasn’t a random explosion, of THAT I am sure. There’s an old joke that creation from an explosion is as probable as Webster’s unabridged dictionary resulting from an explosion in a publishing house. Only there’s some truth and sense to that joke. Whether God is “watching over” us in the sense of a “big Daddy in the sky” or not, I don’t know either; but that HE does have control of the Universe is an undeniable given, to me.

notreallyhere

@NavyJR Yeah so’d I used to be part of my job incountry for just over 4 years.along w/ other little nasty’s..only mine didn’t create chaos they just got the job done… you act and talk like every move you make is pre-ordained..good for you..I’d don’tb follow I lead or go my own way!!…You simply can’t face that when your times up! it’s up!!..dirt nap worm food recyclable!

downenray

@donl51 It will be good if those indeed are your parting words. You expect to die and that’s the end. You will learn that there is a God and that you will face judgment as we all will. Some of us realize there is a Creator God who has revealed Himself through prophets whose words are recorded in the Bible so that all can save themselves if they choose to do so. Jesus saves. Jesus will be the final judge of every human. He wants to save and bless every living person.

paxcat

donl51, can you direct me to any evidence that “something” can be created out of “nothing?” And, which came first the “something out of nothing” universe or the “something out of nothing” human? And, finally, if humans are created out of nothing, then why aren’t they still being created that way?

LARRY NIEMAN

donl51, we have talked before, i can not convinc you or anyone that BELIEF is the right way to go, BUT 9% of the people of the USA are non-believers, NOW you are telling me , THAT you would rather beleive in NOTHING than to BELEIVE in something, thats your choice, AT least , ALL of our highways will get washed, thank you and have a great CHTIST-MAS, LARRY NIEMAN

Evermyrtle

Don’t allow Daves fool you that he beliives in nothing. He believes he was put on this earth to disuade us that there is a GOD and HIS SON JESUS CHRIST. He regularly post his beleif that there is no such thing. He does not think that we as believers have a right to believe the truth.

I understand he has enormous doctor and medical bills. I wonder if he never thinks that his beleif that he must force us to believe as he does may have something to do with his health, since we as Christians put GOD into every phase in our lives. He is no nice about it either in informing us of his opinion. He will lay any kind of fool or name on us because we believe. I think that whhat I am trying to say i,” If he believes in nothing, why doesn’t he just leave us alone about what we believe!” That is a mystery, maybe the mystery of the 21st century.

MichaelBurch

@Evermyrtle Merry Christmas…Evermyrtle…

LARRY NIEMAN

paxcat, we ”MAN”are still learning about these things, and we do not yet have oll of the answers,and NO we were not created from NOTHING, actually , if you watch PROFESSOR KIHAN , he is a famous ASTRONIMER, and he says HUMANS actually could not have started HERE on earth , WE ”HUMANS ” started from a rock that hit the earth 1000’s of years ago and this was MICROSCOPIC matter, NOW do you remember when the DINASOURS got whiped out, that was w basive rock , the size of TEXAS HIT THE EARTH , KNOWN AS THE ”GRAND CANYON”. so maybe you are behind on your ASTRONOMY and HISTORY, thank you LARRY NIEMAN

paxcat

@LARRY NIEMAN Sorry, I believe in “creation!”

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

@paxcat That makes two of us believing in “creation”.

MichaelBurch

@paxcat @LARRY NIEMAN So this means that you do not believe in angels,demons…or things that your science can not explain…even hospitals can n ot explain so many miracles that happen everyday….creation is fine …but it can not explaIn so many things that are impossible….nothing is impossible for GOD….No,my friend..we live in a spiritual world…sorry you feel the way you do…but,hey, that is your right to feel that way….I get offended when non-believers want to force their opinions on the rest of us…I say ,we allow you to your opinions,and you should allow us ours….but nope that is not the way non-believers want it…

notreallyhere

@paxcat So do I It’s called the “BIG BANG THEORY “,,,something from nothing as far as we know ..

ashman1

Hey, me too. I really like Penny, and Raz is a hoot. Didn’t know you were human, now I can finally see some good in your.

downenray

@donl51 To believe that nothing created something is absurd. That a supreme being created the universe makes good sense. To believe otherwise makes no sense.

ashman1

Sounds like the story line from a SYFY channel program. All your allegations are about theories, not facts, and theories, like poor grade toilet paper, are known to break very often. You can repeat the theories but that doesn’t make them fact, remember that.

MichaelBurch

@ashman1 Merry Christmas,and Happy New Year…ashman1…..good to hear from you…..

ashman1

Michael, the same for you and yours. Will be contacting you after we jump of the fiscal cliff. And good to hear from you as well.

notreallyhere

@ashman1 Who can freely speak his mind w/o directing his comment….sounds pretty non committal to me .as if to avoid confrontation…..hang out in the corners much do you? ashman1?

ashman1

So far, I have found you repugnant, and to respond to your pseudo-intelligent ramblings is beneath me. Where I hang out is none of your business. “Nuff said.

notreallyhere

@LARRY NIEMAN I’m talking ‘UNIVERSE”…Earth does not represent the Universe or center of anything…we’re out on the rim..you twist shit around or simply don’t get it!!.. I know where ‘EARTH”,,,came from!!…there are more Galaxies than grains of sand on this little planet and each Galaxie contains millions of solar systems and Earth is but one little planet in one of the solar systems…in this Galaxie known as the ‘Milky Way’…BTW ;the basis of Man started millions of years ago..well after life on this planet was already around..

big koala

I’ve traveled widely in many Moslem countries. I’ve stayed in their homes, have shared meals with them, have been invited into their Mosques to observe their prayers and ceremonies. I never felt in any danger, was always treated with courtesy and hospitality. Very few Moslems are out to kill anyone. Like most other people, they are trying to earn a living, raise their kids, care for their homes and families, get gas for their cars, etc. They resent invaders and occupiers, as we would resent foreign soldiers on our soil.

NavyJR

@big koala Hospitality was an unwritten law of the region from as far back as records go; because the environment is generally so inhospitable. And its probable that most AREN’T out to “kill us all” but the ones in power ARE! BTW why do you think so many of us resent the usurper in OUR White House?

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

@big koala Yes, Yes, Yes. You have traveled in Mulim countries, stayed in their homes, shared meals, etc. Have you studied their Koran? It states right in there what I have said. I did not say they weren’t nice people. If they are Muslim, go by the Koran as their Holy Book, The Koran directs killing of infidels. You can deny it all you want. You need to research and see some of the films on what the real agenda is. As long as the Koran is their Holy Book, the ones in power will order unbelievers killeld., Have to say if you omit this part of their relligion, you are nieve.

Evermyrtle

@Florida Girl @big koala They kill each other as if they were no more important that animals, the four legged kind

notreallyhere

@Florida Girl I read into the English translation of the Koran,Tora and Bible ..that is why I’m Atheist!

MichaelBurch

@big koala Is that why they are still taking people in Africa as slaves…Have you read their ‘bible’,if that is what you want to call it….i guess all those Christians in Egypt that are being killed ,having their homes destroyed,and their churches burned down are just a figment of my imagination…oh,yeah and then there are those poor unfortunate people who are being crucified …yeah,and if you are a muslim dad and your daughter does something horrible like, oh… i don’t know..maybe date a Christian boy…thenn dear old dad has the right to beat or even kill the daughter…honor killings…yeah real nice people there…there has been 20022 fatal muslim attacks since 9-11…..yep,i would say…real nice folks there…just the kind I would have over to my house for a pleasant Sunday dinner…NOT…resent invaders and occupiers…get real…they invented that…a civilized set of people would not be them…it is a perverted ‘religion’ at best…at worst it is a perverted ‘religion’…..where is the rest of the muslim community out rage over the acts of a ‘few’….where???they can not tolerate any other religion…period…..yeah ya gotta be real proud of those muslims in Dearborn,Mich….the way they were stoning the christions who were there…yep nice folks there…..So the question is…are you a muslim??or just blind to what is happening all around the world…how about that little muslim girl that was shot in the head just for saying something about girls going to school…you see ,big koala…all evil needs is for people just like you to look the other way…and believe islam is evil,evil,evil……

notreallyhere

@big koala Your best friends could all be Muslim..It doesn’t matter at this site they’re single -minded ‘All Muslims are bad’ and all Muslims should be dead’ worst site I’ve ever visited and I’m real happy this little group doesn’t represent America!!…what ever you say that may contain logic ,,they twist….I wasn’t even trying to change them and I was demonized as are you!…

NavyJR

@donl51 Before you go to “impugning’ me; you should know that I have often stood up FOR Muslims, who are standing publicly for our Constitution and Sharia on many sites like this, and taken the abuse for even suggesting such a thing could be; and I do happen to have a very good friend who’s an Egyptian, NOT a Christian, as did my father before me! Kindly don’t make the same kinds of blanket assumptions and labeling as you’re claiming others are doing!

downenray

@NavyJR You suggest that “good Muslims” can “stand publicly for our Constitution and Sharia.” But Sharia and our Constitution are opposed to one another. It’s one or the other. Sharia approves of murdering even family members if they “disparage” the Koran or dare to think unapproved thoughts.

ashman1

OH! Speak to us wise imam of the septic tank. You and teddy bear have no idea who you represent nor do you comprehend the depth of those who are biting you with every blog. So, everyone is out of step but you and teddy bear. Enjoy your hole in the ground, you dug it.

downenray

@donl51 I’d surely like it better if lovers of Muslims would immediately move to nations where Islam reigns and get out of the U.S.A. This nation would be better off with NO Muslims living here. Their “holy book” calls for them to hate us unbelievers and to destroy us and to lie to us. We don’t welcome followers of Adolph Hitler here. Why would we welcome followers of ones who believe as Hitler did? Of course we welcome the opportunity to win converts away from Islam, but we surely do not want to have neighbors who believe in that religion-government.

downenray

@big koala Citizens who have done more than visit in Islamic countries realize that the women there are not free and will learn that Christians are either taxed to death or are just more quickly put to death. Preferably by cutting off their heads.

paxcat

koala, I’d suggest you do a little reading up on what Muslims are currently doing. Have you heard what is happening in Dearborn, MI? If not, I’d suggest you find out. Every hear of taquiyya? We are not talking about a religion here, this is a full blown political system and there is Islam with Sharia and Islam without Sharia until they have enough power to get Sharia. Look what has happened in Egypt. That was hardly a fight for “democracy or freedom.” It was a way for The Brotherhood to take over Egypt and its legal system.

notreallyhere

@paxcat Have you read what Michigan is now being called? thanks to their asswad Govenor!?

downenray

@paxcat Exactly right, paxcat. Islam is a religion AND a governmental system. Christians live with any government that permits them to live. And we happily take part in the republic of the U.S.A. But Muslims seek to change the government and bring in their god-centered religion as head of the government. This nation has long championed freedom of religion. The reason it could do so is because most of our leaders have been believers in God. Our present government is headed by a Muslim whose aim is to replace freedom with a dictatorship which would ultimately make all citizens subject to Islamic laws. What the nation would be like if Obama is allowed to change it can be seen in the half of Dearborn, Michigan which is now controlled by Islam. Most citizens like freedom and will not like the lack of freedom if Islam is given control.

notreallyhere

Remember when you’re out there killing Muslims for your god..that a lot of American Black families have left the christian faith to become Muslims as well..you can make this a racist killing too!!

downenray

@donl51 How foolish is Don! Islam is an ignorant religion which results only in death and destruction. Any negro who accepts Islam is headed for Hell. Islam calls for its adherents to kill and destroy. The way we destroy Muslims is by persuading them that God is love, which is the exact opposite of the teaching of Mohammed. Jesus calls for us to love our enemies. Mohammed is famous for killing his enemies. The two religions are opposites.

paxcat

@donl51 Actually donl51, the Bible does not call for “killing” anyone. Do you know where Islam has found its greatest recruitment center, don? It’s in prison, and there are many Blacks in prison who have fallen to the taquiyya “flatterY that is Islam! Thomas Jefferson warned the founders about the Barbery Pirates (Muslims) so this threat is nothing new! It has just gotten out of control!

notreallyhere

@paxcat I prisons to survive one joinns a group be it Muslim,neo-nazi,white suppremist a gang..damn you’re stupid!!

PLT SGT CHE

Men, especially men who claim to know a lot, know very little about the universe we were brought to life in. “Learned” men speak of the “Big bang”, Quasars, Super nova, super massive black holes, Gamma ray bursts, light-years and billions of light-years and space time? When you ask them to explain gravity, they fall silent, knowing that you, the not so “Learned,” have posed a question they can not answer; even though gravity is right here, amongst us. While explaining all the other mysteries, these learned scientist’s never mention the Creator or admitt that their explanation of what’s happening billions of light-years from earth could be fallable, conjecture or lunacy. This same type will proclaim that i’slam is ok, no threat and misunderstood–even as i’slamic’s declare their plan, in their words, is to wipe little satan, Israel, off the map and to conquer America and subvert WE THE PEOPLE of America. These know it all’s declare there are more galaxies than there are grains of sand on planet Earth? Even a fool knows that no one has counted the grains of sand on planet earth—or counted all the stars. Like a microbe crawling up the elephants leg intent on rape, these “Learned men” expose their ignorance coinvinced they are raping the naive reader with their brilliance.. I invite these “Learned” wise men to reply to this challenge: Write out your great traits, your good deeds, your revelations of truth, your explanation of history, of war—or, why we are here. After all, even the “Learned” had nothing to do with their being here, nothing to do with when they’ll be leavin and nothin to present— that is new under the sun; a star put in just the exact perfect place to sustain the “Learned” and the unlearned. O no, instead, the “Learned” will explain that there are lots of suns with lots of life sustaining planets much like earth. Of course even they admit they make it up as they go along—if they get waterboarded.

NavyJR

@PLT SGT CHE The condensed version is that what we call science is every bit as much a religion which must be taken on faith as any of the others!

notreallyhere

@PLT SGT CHE I don’t understand your waterboarding part as a number of my old retired ( like me ) are Scientists to Astronomers,,nobody really knows how it all began and I wonder if we ever will ..The Creationism method defies logic altogether and I simply ignore it..I ..in my heart believe we are not alone in this vastness as far as advanced and not civilization..I also believe some over their longer time in existance have developed the means to cross great voids and have even visited Earth,,…What if one were to make itself known to our otherwise primitive world,?,,would the questions of how it all began come up? would the question of an all knowing creator come up?..and if to the latter the reply was no..how would our most devout take it from a civilization millions of years even 100k years ahead of mankind?..Guess we’ll have to wait and see!. Until everything in science is proven, its theory or speculation before that,.. IN faith its absolute and you don’t question..which sounds more like a dictatorship to me!….I deal in logic not faith!…tell you one thing though..science has proven more than faith on most subjects…to date!!…I believe in proven science not these trial and error pharmaceutcal finds based on little that ends of being the death of you!,,,I’ll question your beliefs but don’t condemn…most of us out here are different..many Atheists feel that Chrismas is a pagan ritual and we’ve heard it all..I on the other hand don’t condemn those who need religion..I might question the need and Christmas is the time chosen for Christian celebration.. ..the holidays part comes into change of year…The Jewish holy time is earlier ,..its advertising and business which causes most of the problem lumping everything together!..then the media steps in plus the agravators..

downenray

@donl51 The fact that God created everything is the only “theory” that makes any sense at all. Every fact spoken in the Bible is a true fact. Science, so called, is guesses based on the best available HUMAN logic. Did humans create the universe? How could we have done so. Science is good to understand what WAS created. It’s a total failure at explaining creation. We Christians base our hope on a revelation of truths which humans couldn’t derive from what is seen and touched. And we’re headed for an eternity with the Creator God. Doubters who die will learn too late about the living God.

Evermyrtle

@downenray @donl51 They always told me that nothing can be done about ignorance especially anti-GOD ignorance. I think that is because they are so proud that they are educated in anti-GOD ignorance. You cannot pierce there thick hide of protection of ignorance.

notreallyhere

@PLT SGT CHE Explain virgin birth!

paxcat

donl51:” the Universe was once in an extremely hot and dense state which expanded rapidly.” (That was taken from google of big bang). When something is referred to with the article of “the”, that means the next noun is a “person, place of thing.” So, “the UNIVERSE…” means that even in the big bang they acknowledge the pre-existance of “UNIVERSE” and are simply trying to explain how protons, neutrons and electrons came to be in order for elements to exist. Therefore, big bang does not explain making “something” from “nothing.”

YES florida girl, i do know about MERICALS, I AM ONE, i have been DEAD 3 times AND i am still here, thank you and MERRY CHRISTMAS . LARRY NIEMAN

above the law

Wake up Christians you are about to become extinct,as we are in the mideast! Why are we to give up our country to a third world cult at the hands of a third world dictator wanna be? Its all about the fanatical islamists who will not be happy in there own back yard! There are no moderate muslimes that will not coexist in our country in peace, their goal is to rule the world and enslave people To offer peace and back away from them will only secure our destruction! How can the teachings of this cult be anythig but a war against peoples’ freedoms and advancement of evil,If you don’t wake up, there will come a time when you will not want to wake up,this is nothing but a take over from with in with an ineligible appointee at the reigns! GOD BLESS AND MERRY CHRISTMAS!

notreallyhere

@above the law Is that all christians ? or just Evangelico christians because I heard pretty much the opposite..Enagelists are decreasing but Catholics are increasing and the rest are at pretty much the same place,..you do know there are two factions of the Muslim sect! and they’re working to waring one another once and for all..Sunnis and shi ites were not created equal or so it seems!…btw Muslim is not a cult its a bonafied religious sect not unlike Christianity!…you ‘re so paranoid you’re your own worst enemies!…I’ve read it both ways here fanatical muslims are the cult while all of them are radical

notreallyhere

@above the law Evangelists…typo;,,,oops!

downenray

@donl51 He meant evangelical Christians, obviously.

dboyerdr

The Sunnis and the Shites have hated each other since 1384. Our media is almost ignoring the war between them that started when the American GIs were pulled out of Iraq. I suggest that we should make sure that both sides have enough ammo ect. to erradicate each other.

above the law

Time will tell,you can call it what you want,paranoid or what ever but I do not see the murder and the take over of the globe using terror and murder from the other side , maybe some retaliation …. Its sad and unbelievable that people such as you welcome terrorists to dictate your life! ,because of your support we are all at risk! Sad that anyone could embrace a cult that teaches and approves any avenue, including lies, deciet, terror, and death threats to advance their cult and achieve world domination! Right is Right and if you have to threaten and suppress anyone to join you that is proof that it is wrong,no matter what you worship! just common sense! Paraniod is not using common sense with a little help from history and current events, it’s not being a sheeple led to slaughter. If I am wrong and they are so happy with their cult ,why are they forcing themselves on America,why not stay in their country and live in peace with the other cultists!?

drbhelthi

@above the law The words paranoia and paranoid are frequently used by propagandists who “spin” statements and ideas to fit their agenda. The average person does not know that paranoia is a condition that is based on fantasy thought, and which is not based on reality. That which you are describing is based on historical fact, and is not fantasy. The elderly German-American lady, who survived a NAZI stalag, said recently that Obama reminded her of Hitler. She was ten years old at the time, yet her memory continues to be vivid. Such is not fantasy.

notreallyhere

@above the law I’d be more concerned about Global Warming than any people….God never gives you more than you can handle!!..this should be interesting!!..god is after all in control of everything right??..Extreme weather changes?!

notreallyhere

@above the law Well I for one don’t like terrorists or the such to rule my life,,you sir turn and twist things said in your favor,,try the truth for a change you might just discover a new revelation..you might not wish to take over the globe w/ terror tactics but your Gov..be it dem or repub sure as hell does!

NavyJR

@donl51 @above the law It’s our government ACTING as agents of the people who are truly pulling the strings; who control the political and fiscal power globally, in fact, that are behind this! And they DO it to stir up hatred and in-fighting, to KEEP us from noticing who they are and what they’re about!

above the law

And if our country is just about ‘religious freedom’ then why and where did the IN GOD WE TRUST come from,and all other references to a Christian God? This is what made this country great! I have to say that this country is Christian and yes it is headed away from the true God ! There is a reason for the problems and trials we are going through as a nation! The nation is and has been straying from God and this uneducation of God breeds atheists and other unbelievers ,breaking down our moral compass ,allowing the evil to take root ! We must head back to God and allow him to rule this country,we had the greatest nation on earth because we walked with God,we now are handing it to people with no respect for law ,constitution, fair play and ,most important .. God! Remember Sodom and Gomorrah?? Looks a bit like America!?

paxcat

@above the law See the video “Isaiah 9:10″ Astonishing how far we’ve strayed and the warnings God has sent us which we continue to ignore!

notreallyhere

@above the law Look it up in the Encyclopedia!!

notreallyhere

@above the law In god we trust began on paper money 1957 ..on coinage 1864!..this info is from my memory of once teaching world history!!,,,this religious freedom is kinda funny in a country that touted it was founded on christian principles that allow for all religions to exist as long as you’re christian and definately not Muslim because Muslims are the anti-christ!!,,if memory serves me right Jews don’t believe in Christ either!!..i could go on but why stir the kettle!?.,…I don’t want a supernatural belief to rule my country I’d rather we humans just fight it through!…you obviously have little faith in humankind!

NavyJR

@donl51 Our problem with Muslims isn’t religious; it’s political! Sharia isn’t religion it’s “theocracy” and diametrically opposed to our Constitution. Those, and they DO exist, who shun Sharia in favor of our Constitution have no trouble from me at all! Those who feel the compulsion to impose their Sharia here; NOT happening, so long as I have any say!

paxcat

Muslims slaughtering Christians again in Nigeria as well as other places from the what some fools believe is the “religion of peace!” A true oxymoron! It’s a lot easier to fool a person than for that person to realize he/she’s been a fool! (Thanks go to Mark Twain!)

The media isn’t mentioning the fact that the attackers were Muslims, but I will because it’s always Muslims who do this. At least 12 people were slaughtered in northern Nigeria when attackers raided two churches during Christmas Eve services, police said.

CNN One assault occurred at the Church of Christ in Nations in Postikum, in Yobe province. Gunmen attacked worshipers during prayer, killing six people, including the pastor, and setting the building on fire Worshipers also were attacked at the First Baptist Church in Maiduguri, in Borno state. A deacon and five church members were killed. They were the latest strikes against Christians in the region. More than 30 people died in a wave of Christmas Day attacks in the north last year, blamed on Boko Haram, a militant group that has targeted Christians and Muslims it considered insufficiently Islamist. Pope Benedict XVI referred to the northern Nigerian violence in his traditional Christmas message from Vatican City on Tuesday. ”Savage acts of terrorism” in the region, he said, “continue to reap victims, particularly among Christians.” Understand how history repeats itself with today’s persecution of Christians in Islamic countries. Click here for details. In October, a report from Human Rights Watch also addressed violence in northern Nigeria, particularly from Boko Haram. ”Suspected members of the group have bombed or opened fire on worshipers in at least 18 churches across eight northern and central states since 2010. In Maiduguri, the group also forced Christian men to convert to Islam on penalty of death,” it said.

The Christmas attacks came as families whose kin died in last year’s killings delivered graveside prayers for a peaceful holiday period. Nigerian President Goodluck Jonathan issued a statement promising better days next year, including better security. But residents told CNN that despite assurances of security, they have been attacked again.

notreallyhere

@paxcat How about American troops slaughtering innocent people in Yemen?

paxcat

@donl51 In armed combat, some innocent people are killed all the time, but they aren’t “slaughtered.”

Is this what you are talking about?

World Briefing | Middle East Yemen: American Drone Strike Kills 2 By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Published: December 24, 2012 FacebookTwitterGoogle+SaveE-mailSharePrintReprints Connect With Us on Twitter Follow @nytimesworld for international breaking news and headlines. Twitter List: Reporters and Editors An airstrike by an American drone killed two militants from Al Qaeda on Monday in Radda, a southern town in Bayda Province, Yemeni security officials said. One of the dead was a midlevel Yemeni operative, Abdel-Raouf Naseeb, who survived an American drone attack 10 years ago, the officials said. The other was said to be a Jordanian. Al Qaeda’s branch in Yemen has been behind several failed attacks in the United States.

notreallyhere

@paxcat I spent over 4 years in country Vietnam..I’ve seen slaughter of suspecteds and of innocents by both the NVA and Allied Forces!…this isn’t shit from a book its real shit!!…some innocent people? oh you’re so naive!,,,for every terrorist killed by a drone attack add to that the 6 innocent Pakistanis..at the wrong place at the wrong time!!..stop drinkin g that swill Fox news throws out they call the news!!..You have any idea how often O’Riley threatened me w/ his Fox police?..still waitin’….now I can’t even get in touch to question that liar!

paxcat

@donl51 Yes, Don, I am hardly naive, and I seldom watch Fox News either as if that had anything to do with this. Yes, some innocent people do get killed and if there is a reason to suspect that in the case of Viet Nam that the Viet Cong had taken control of a village, then the choice is to let them continue or stop them immediately. There are many, many Vietnamese who are grateful for the intervention against the North Vietnamese.

The American Revolution, the Civil War, etc. all included the killing of “innocents” if you will; however, that is one of the costs of war.

You must be a Jane Fonda supporter!

notreallyhere

@paxcat Didn’t like Jane Fonda doing what she did and refused to watch any of her movies afterward but that’s nothing ,,when your loved ones are collateral damage,.,,please do let me know how you feel..!..we didn’t have drones in Vietnam .when a target needed to be removed they’d send in some of us ,,and guess what target dead,,w./ no collateral damage,,I wasn’t a draftee sweets I joined to get what I wanted ..just wasn’t ready for college yet needed a break and new the draft was around that corner!!..

(.and I still can’t get over what that nitwit of this group said ‘ those who can’t do teach!!’ what a yahoo remark..so blatantly stupid,,) this last paragraph was a tag along’

paxcat

@donl51 Please stop being a simpleton! Most people know we didn’t have drones in Viet Nam! DUH! And, were we talking about whether you were drafted or elected to join up before being drafted? NO! And, by simpleton, I mean your switching from one thesis statement to another with no depth offered to support any of them! Very poor exposition, and even poorer logic, imho!

notreallyhere

@paxcat I’m the simpleton?..I used another war in which I was in and saw innocence killed and you whaT?? duh everybody knows what? ”you just can’t fix stupid ‘ readily applies to you here!..jumped up christ in a cracker you are thick..I put a little history in my discussion so that you might understand what I’m talking about..

downenray

@gone Comments by Gone indicate either malice or ignorance. If anyone doesn’t want to hear from him, it’s easy to understand why.

ashman1

You seem to have all the time in the world to perch on this website and issue your opinions. So why don’t you research your allegation of Yemeni civilians killed by US troops; (headcount, date(s), locations, and number of verified kills (you have no way of proving their innocence). Furthermore, you might wish to give a straight forward explanation of a successful military action which avoided the loss of civilian lives.

notreallyhere

@ashman1 Why don’t you?! I live to read and research..you haven’t what it takes to get by me on those matters..Religion you do..so should you like to win..pick religion!!esp.scripture!,,this news is heard even on the average news incl the big three!..It’s no secret!!./..this ‘nightmare to liberals ‘ site is a laugh riot..they’re as nuts as you here even the christians,,

ashman1

Your arrogance is your achille’s heel. I did scientific research for over 45 years and my sensitivity to critical thinkers is very high. You may be a reader, you may be a analyst, you may even consider yourself to be a researcher, but I really doubt it. You haven’t shown the critical thinking skills to do scientific research, only empirical conclusions. I ask you, in fairness, to show your mettle in doing constructive research, you don’t feel up to it, then don’t let your ego try to cover for you,

notreallyhere

@ashman1 I have no achilles heel..and I’m happy to learn that you research as well but in a discussion in that area we spoke of you spend too much of your mind in scripture and less in real life matters!..I was reporting what all the news is talking about from local to cable to alternative and you are playing what ? the denial game?..Talking here is interesting..the rebuttle is generally what I might have said..or another’s twisted around..I had friends drop by just to read here..they won’t waste their time as I did to talk..//lot of intelligent people here!..too bad you’re caught is this loop!

ashman1

You just exhibited your achilles heal. I have yet to even mention religion in my posts. My religion is personal and none of anyone’s business. You may have missed the critical thinking I mentioned, that or your reading comprehension keeps skipping. If your mention of US troops is really the drone attack, then you should be more precise and make yourself accurate. No US soldier was actually grounded in Yemen in that attack. As for results, war is hell. Especially when you weren’t given a choice to be part of it or not. Since you offer premises based on informal logic, there are no deductive conclusions nor are there supporting premises. Thus there cannot be any validity to the truthfulness of the original premise.

downenray

@gone Gone seems to have left his good sense behind. The advice given to our armed forces is also foolish, but understandable. We do well to think about true things, but don’t do well to always speak up where truth will not be welcomed. The advice given relates to speaking where our words (the words of the members of our Armed Forces) can be heard by our enemies. A sensible question is, Why do we send any of our military to help nations where the truth cannot be freely spoken?” We would do well to not fight beside enemies of liberty such as followers of Mohammed.

downenray

@gone Armed forces from the U.S.A. are not ordered to slaughter innocent people anywhere. Why would anyone claim they were doing so? Gone is long gone, but not far enough. His comments here have not been helpful.

dboyerdr

America is going to fall just as the Roman Empire fell. We are being destroyed by our politicians. They enact themselves special privilages. Bernannke and the Federal Reserve is destroying the value of our money. God has been taken out of our schools. There is severe moral decay in most Americans. Liberals seem to believe in making everything free. They are playing into the hands of the greedy Americans who only waste what they are given. 200 or so years seems to be the life time of great nations. America is DOOMED!!!!!!

notreallyhere

@dboyerdr lets see everything is free liberals believe!!,,hmmm!..I’m no liberal but am Socialist and that doesn’t mean free ..it’s sorta like everybody chipping in to help one another etc!!..is this a bad thing>?As for this country being doomed!! more or less this is true!..for one thing it’s very divided..which makes it perfect for takeover,,We’ll do it ourselves for the Chinese!….we’re doing it ourselves for big money!…talking common sense here is an exercise in futility…..then of course there’s the Global Climate Change..which by now only the absolutely stupid doesn’t believe..and Sean Hannity!..who is by no means stupid just a Propagandist!..If O-bomb-all attacks Syria Putin will step in which will cause a Domino effect which will negate any other threat after 19000 nuclear weapons wipe out all life on Earth..and god will have to start his project all over again on yet another planet!!

downenray

@gone Since this nation is not Socialist, it would be good if those who prefer Socialism would go to a nation where Socialism exists. We would be better off without any Socialist citizens, and much better off without one in the White House. How strange that a Muslim would favor socialism!

paxcat

More “Merry Christmas to Christians” from the “religion of peace!” The “fools” among us don’t realize that no matter where Muslims go, they never live “peacefully” with anyone as their pedophile Mohammed requires that Muslims must either destroy as in kill or convert! That’s the choice! And, they take great pleasure in “torture” and kill! Have you ever noticed how many Muslims are hanging (ha, ha) around every time there is a beheading or stoning, or mutilation? Don’t these people have jobs or hobbies (like fly fishing or making furniture for tents)?

INDONESIA: Attack by Muslim savages on church group ruins Christmas celebration More than 200 Indonesian Muslims threw rotten eggs as well as plastic bags filled with urine and cow dung at Christians wanting to hold a Christmas mass near Jakarta on land where they plan to build a church.

above the law

Thanks for the input,it is really hard to imagine our nation turning to evil, becomming asleep to the fact that turning our backs on God has led us here . It is evident to me why this nation acheived greatness ,as we walked with God . It doesn’t figure, the thought process that third world nations ruled by dictators are now what some Americans embrace! It’s like turning in your tractor for a donkey to plow your fields! Sorry America, but God taught me not to jump off the cliff just because you are! Anyway, Thanks for the input ! God Bless You and Yours!

downenray

Christian members of the U.S.A. armed forces are asked to be silent about the truths of Godliness in order to not “offend” folks headed for Hell. If this is good advice, then we seriously need to send only atheists to defend these Islamic nations where Christians are not welcome and wanted. Yes?

And one commenter here is sure that this universe just happened to come into being. No creator. No God. Just an accidental happening. That makes no sense, but the commenter thinks that understanding that something has never once come about from NOTHING makes more sense. He’s lost his mind!

downenray

Christian members of the U.S.A. armed forces are asked to be silent about the truths of Godliness in order to not “offend” folks headed for Hell. If this is good advice, then we seriously need to send only atheists to defend these Islamic nations where Christians are not welcome and wanted. Yes?

And one commenter here is sure that this universe just happened to come into being. No creator. No God. Just an accidental happening. That makes no sense, but the commenter thinks that understanding that something has never once come about from NOTHING makes no sense. Has he lost his mind!

NavyJR

@downenray Leaving the part about the other commenter, whom I already answered on that subject directly; as regards your notion about troops sent to Afghanistan and the like, I have a MUCH better idea, albeit a TEENSY bit malicious I suppose, if I’m being honest. We all remember the battle over DADT, I’m sure, and the CLAIM that “they just want to serve” {WHICH, in fact, DADT DID allow them to do!}, but they got their way, AT the expense of the rights of ALL the rest of our troops. I propose we DRAFT every single one of them and send THEM to such places in the new, chic HOT PINK camo uniforms! And we bring the REST home, where they belong!

notreallyhere

@downenray Just one here ..but a lot more else where..why don’t you put a name where it belongs?./..you’re a small number in a large book of Science!!…You ever hear of Damon Vix?

NavyJR

@Evermyrtlle: I just saw you comment about the TV station in Israel called DAYSTAR; do YOU know what that IS?? It’s NOT Christian, or even Godly in the least; Day Star is the ENGLISH for Lucifer; as in Satan! And what’s going ON there is preparation for the arrival of the Pope to take the throne in the Temple and rule there, in the “pure religion of Lucifer”, which has been THEIR goal at least since 1540, and almost certainly dated back, in truth to the 3rd century, when the Orthodox church spit off, because the Pope, who had been one of the 12 ruling patriarchs of the church as a whole, decided HE should be over the others, and they disagreed. Look again at Revelation 13, and remember that Rome is the city NOTED for being built on 7 hills.

Evermyrtle

@NavyJR I looked up Day Star and this is what I found: 2 Peter 1:19-20 1. We have also a more sure word of prophecy; where unto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn and the day star arise in your hearts: 2.Knowing this first, that no prophecy of th scripture is of any private interpretation.

I do not remember it ever being used the way you say, if I ever heard it I have forgotten If think that he TV station is using the Name fro the BIBLE. Since it ismy right to do so, I will go along with the Biblical term.

NavyJR

@Evermyrtle Check Isaiah out, where he’s talking about Lucifer’s fall from grace! That’s where “Day Star” comes from, not the reference in Peter! And IF that’s what Peter was talking about I’d back far away from it! But I suspect if you go to the Greek and Hebrew words, they have VERY DIFFERENT meanings in fact!

Evermyrtle

@NavyJR @Evermyrtle You have your opinion and I have my opinion, but GOD does not have an opinion, HE knows the truth and that is what counts. I will give it to HIM to handle. .

downenray

@Evermyrtle We do well to realize that it’s GOD who knows the future. We do well to study how we are to live in the present. We don’t help much by trying to tell what God will do in the future. What is promised is that Jesus WILL return and certain signs will accompany His return. He warns that there will be no signs ahead, but that He will come as a thief in the night would come, with no warning at all.

downenray

@NavyJR What we wisely wait for and prepare for is the return of Jesus to this earth, after which those who love Jesus will be rewarded and others will suffer. It’s not useful to quarrel about details of HOW punishment will be meted out. What is important is to realize that it won’t be by human hands. It’s not helpful to insist that particular prophecies will be fulfilled in particular ways WE feel are appropriate. It’s after an event fulfills prophecy that we can know surely what the prophecy meant. But some twist fulfillments and wrongly claim the prophecy has been fulfilled.

notreallyhere

I’ve never been a troll before but I’m, willing to give it a go here!..common sense and levelheadeness gets one nowhere here Soooo! I’ll treat you the way you treat me!!

downenray

@gone Jesus is God. Jesus did the creation work which brought forth our present universe. He will return and a judgment day will follow where all who have served Him will be honored and those who have ignored or fought against Him will receive justice. That soldiers are urged to not speak the truth about Islam may make good sense in some situations, but it won’t change the truth in any way. It will just be ignoring the truth. The article we seek to comment about shows good common sense in pointing out error. Is that what you refer to?

notreallyhere

I think the draft should be brought back and only christians be drafted ..and sent to destroy the waring hoardes of Muslims on this planet!!…You can start w/ Obama then elect Romney as your new prez> of course those christians who don’t believe in this genocide can retreat to Canada!

NavyJR

@donl51 Well that figures; Christians and Jews have been doing Libs’ dirty work for close to a millenium now, I guess.

notreallyhere

@NavyJR How would you like it if someone was in your face every damn day ?..how would you like your elected Gov. replaced by a puppet Gov. that couldn’t care less about you..but obeyed your anoyers every damn day!..When Constantine was taken out that wasn’t a holy war that was conquest..Christians made it a religious thing to muster more people and hate…..btw ( It is believed the big flood happened around 7000 years ago and encompased a part of Egypt which is pretty good proof that the Sphinx was built prior to the Pyramids of Giza..it also encompassed the black sea across Turkey and a good portion of the Med..this is interesting to me as the base of the Sphinx shows damage created by water opposed to wind..)..btw your reply above? Arab Jews Arab christians and Arab Muslims lived across Palestine, the Sinai into Egypt, for quite a long while w/ no problems until somebody stuck their damn nose in everyones business!,,did you know that GB was a world power across the Middle east in the early 1900’s and in their face?..Do you know how they treated the Arabs? or for that matter India?…not going to disagree that their are those Muslims who would like to see us all dead..but remember not too long ago our great country had hate groups who’d like to see all black people dead or blacks and whites separate drinking fountains or blacks at the back of the bus..or can’t vote due to loopholes!..or an entire Nation who turned away Jews escaping from Hitler!!….Christians are so friggin’ innocent!..and being what? singled out by rogue Muslim fundi’s!

Evermyrtle

@donl51 @NavyJR I hope that NavyJr will not think about an answer for this insanity. Navy, just you keep up the good work that your are doing and ignore such comments as these, not worth the energy to answer. Let the wind just blow them away. Remember GOD loves you and appreciates your every effort, we as Christians, do also.

notreallyhere

@Evermyrtle @NavyJR Navy JR is much smarter than you know and will see whats causing problems all over….we all face a grave threat and I’m not talking religious difference!!…out petty differences are petty by comparison and we need to work together to survive as a species..

notreallyhere

@Evermyrtle @NavyJR ‘our’petty dif,,,..oops! sorry

NavyJR

@Evermyrtle Thank-you, Evermyrtle; I’m a big girl and can handle that. In point of fact, there is some wisdom in Don 51’s response about what is going on.

NavyJR

@donl51 As a matter of fact, yes I was aware of those things you point out, including the age of the sphinx, and the UK control over the middle east. I also know there’s a group, and above them an individual that has been behind a GREAT deal of the strife and hate in our world for a VERY long time, who believes the culmination of CENTURIES’ work is now very close at hand! And I know even if I did tell you, it wouldn’t really register, because of your personal beliefs; but NO, it’s not God; it’s a human being, driven by something above himself, that’s ALSO not God. And I know there has been a specific directive that is culminating in our present times that has been in operation since 1540, with a brief hiatus when it was forced underground, although NOT out of existence, from May of 1776-1814, during which a crucial, but, to them, unplanned for event occurred: America was born!

Evermyrtle

@NavyJR @Evermyrtle OK I’m sorry about that! I apologize, I didn’t mean to meddle, I’ll try to remember next time. I usually stick my nose in, when I feel like a friend is being attached. My mistake!

downenray

@necromonger So your promise to leave was empty, just like the promises made by Obama. Lies and then more lies. Please go bother someone else! We’re concerned about our nation and seek ways to protect ourselves from Obama.

paxcat

donl51: “Global Warming?” Really?

Article: Why Russia’s Cold Snap Is So Deadly Marc Lallanilla Date: 20 December 2012 Time: 05:32 PM ET inShare An unusual early-winter cold snap has Russians freezing in sub-zero weather. CREDIT: Kotenko Oleksandr | shutterstock View full size image If any nation on Earth is accustomed to dealing with a harsh winter, it would be Russia. But from the farthest reaches of Siberia to downtown Moscow, the Russian people are being pummeled by a winter so brutal it’s shattering cold-weather records across the continent — and it’s only December. As temperatures plunge as low as –minus 58 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 50 degrees Celsius) in some areas, the Pravda news site reports that 45 people have died of causes related to the subfreezing weather; 21 people froze to death in just one day. Hundreds more have been hospitalized with frostbite and other conditions. Subfreezing weather combined with heavy snowfall in some regions have crippled the nation’s infrastructure, closing roads, scrambling airline flights and bursting pipes that carry water and heat into homes, schools and businesses, according to RT.com.

notreallyhere

@paxcat You’re talking to the choir pax!..I taught class in the evenings at several local community colleges to those who wanted to know what GCC was all about….these were freebees!..now I just read about whats going on worldwide and who the hell was listening!!

paxcat

@donl51 I don’t believe that there is anything going on which would require any time at all spent on “global warming.” This is simply a fictional crisis to line some people’s pockets with silver as in “carbon tax credits.” So, if you are the choir, then you must not believe in the whole hoax either!@

notreallyhere

@paxcat no problem..you see about some too hard headed to realize I simply don’t care!!,,when you’re up to your lower lip in water,,do give me a ring!!…”sometimes ya jes caint fix stupid’!

paxcat

@donl51 You are certainly correct about not being able to fix stupid, donl51!

notreallyhere

@paxcat Well as usual you missed my point”I taught that indeed it was quite real and basically how these things come about and mans great contribution has made it come on much faster and possibly more dangerous….you don’t have to believe its real..it believes its real..that’s all that’s necessary//..please believe its a hoax!!..I believe god is a superstition fair is only fair..I’ve no idea i what part of this planet you hale from..I’m from just 30 miles East of the Jersey shore that was just devastated,,by one of many more to come massive storms!.You’ve Muslims to be concerned about…..hmmmm! carbon tax credits must have missed that one..have a nice day!

notreallyhere

@paxcat My favorite saying that applies to so many!

notreallyhere

@paxcat West of the Jersey coast!! oop! my bad

paxcat

@donl51 I did not miss your point, which is, of course, vague and ill-informed, but reading btw the lines as one does for rambling thinkers/writers, I did get it! Also, you don’t need to tell us for the 100th time that you taught history! We got it! Why don’t you just try to stay on topic and stop.

downenray

@necromonger Since you don’t know even where you’re living, the sooner you quit writing to this blog the better. We all know who we are and where we live, and we don’t like the leader who seeks our destruction and tries to keep us from speaking the truth.

@ Downenray: I think you misunderstood me; the Muslim to whom I was referring as supporting our Constitution are also strongly OPPOSING Sharia! They get drowned out by the likes of CAIR but they ARE speaking out against it! One site you can visit is americanislamicforumfordemocracy.com to see for yourself one who represents many!

downenray

@NavyJR What you said was that you knew Muslims who supported the Constitution and Sharia. It’s hard to misunderstand such a clear statement. I’m glad you now clarify it and explain what you meant to say.

notreallyhere

Pseudoscience and spinnery describe this site well…..place bores me..

paxcat

@gone That you were already gone. And, yes, you would find pseudoscience boring since that is all you read.

notreallyhere

@paxcat @gone yep all we read here,,don left I used his name for a look see,,nothing here worth reading

notreallyhere

@paxcat @gone here!

ashman1

Y’all come back sometime, heah.

downenray

@necromonger It’s good that you plan to leave us! It’s too bad you came by for a visit. Our national commander-in-chief is an enemy of this nation, which explains the orders about which we’re thinking together.

MrLucky

The American public say “The American soldiers won’t turn their guns on their own kind! Hummmm! They will shoot you people in a second if they are ordered too! Man you people are stupid!!!

notreallyhere

@MrLucky A lot of people dems/repubs alike make up the American Public..were you around during the Kent State shooting? the Nat guardsman ended up in the hospital his mind broken!!

NavyJR

@MrLucky Some will blindly follow orders; some will realize it’s an unlawful order and stand down .

NavyJR

@Gone: I can t find where this belongs, so I don’t recall to what you’re referring, as connected with someone reporting SEEING God, but if it helps any, last fellow I ever heard of reporting that and living to tell of it was Moses.

@necromonger The Bible tells of real people doing real things in real places. It’s too bad you know so little about truth. God is real. He will punish for eternity those who despise Him.

notreallyhere

@downenray You don’t know me so you no doubt assume and you must know what is said about one who assumes!

notreallyhere

@downenray This is interesting ..I stood in for don but with my name so his name changes to mine all over!!..never encountered this at any other site where we might do this..and don’t wish to give him grief!!,,,silly place!

downenray

@notreallyhere Are you thinking that we can’t understand what you write? Must we ASSUME what you write reflects what you believe? Your words betray you. Our armed forces personnel are told they mustn’t speak truth which would “offend” our enemies. I think the order is because the ones who wrote the orders agree with our enemies. But that IS an assumption.

downenray

@notreallyhere I’m replying to necromonger (don or dave or whatever his right name is), but this reply is being treated as to notreally here which is not to whom I’m replying! Are you thinking that we can’t understand what you write? Must we ASSUME what you write reflects what you believe? Your words betray you. Our armed forces personnel are told they mustn’t speak truth which would “offend” our enemies. I think the order is because the ones who wrote the orders agree with our enemies. But that IS an assumption.

notreallyhere

@downenray Dave? there’s demonseed but he’s just reading..move on ray,,you’re boring saying the same over and over again!

Evermyrtle

@necrmonger @NavyJR That road leads straight to hell, I don’t have any desire to go with you to hell, I’ll continue to live the boring life with GOD and my SAVIOR WHICH LEADS TO HEAVEN EVERLASTING.

notreallyhere

U on demon? this is a wild place!

notreallyhere

guest,,,demon you here I didn’t use dons,,..read many posts here worth a short visit,,

downenray

@necromonger The shorter the better in your case. Do you have thoughts about the subject of the blog? Apparently not.

notreallyhere

@downenray Not entirely..A friend who visited said pseudoscience and spinnery..she didn’t care for the place.,,I think there are many creationists here..is this true?

NavyJR

@necromonger Matter of fact there are some.. Why? You have a problem with that? Either way is pure “faith” !

downenray

@notreallyhere Of course we realize this universe was created rather than just happening to happen. What does that have to do with our armed services being told to not speak the truth about our enemies? It has none. But the ones who told them to not speak about what they knew was true were ones who are friends with our enemies. Of course they want us to not speak against their friends.

necromonger as in deathmonger? Really, donl51? Isn’t that a little “dark” even for you?

notreallyhere

@paxcat don loved the name!

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

donl51 What happened? I went away for a couple of days and I don’t even recognize your postings.

paxcat

@Florida Girl I believe donl51 came back as “gone” and then came back again a “necromonger” along with a few more aliases! He’ll deny it and say it is friends of his lurking about the site to see what is going on, but I don’t believe that is the case!

downenray

@paxcat Some of us post as ourselves. I wish it were necessary for us all to do so. It surely is necessary if we want to discuss anything as a group. But when our posts are not in any way connected with the blog, there’s no point in the discussions anyway.

notreallyhere

@paxcat of course not!..we do this at times ,but he stayed here too long ..so that ‘yours’ will be the normal assumption..!

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

@paxcat Thanks paxcat. I’ll be on the lookout for all three of them. LOL. Hope you had a good holiday, too.

notreallyhere

@Florida Girl Not don..one of his friends..he did say you were friendly, along with several others..I’m using his access!

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

@necromonger OK, thanks for the response. Will browse around and see what’s going on here.

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

donl51I I’m not online for a couple of days and everythings goes tilt on this site. What happened to you? I had a nice Christmas day at friends house and much good food. Actually got to go out shopping some yesterday. We had a cool snap into the high 30’s/low 40’s and was enjoyable. But went back to almost 80 for Christmas day. Having cool weather again today and 80’s predicted for New Year’s. At least it’s not like that awful weather experienced elsewhere in the country. Has the bad weather reached your area yet? I haven’t been following it. My sister’s area in Alabama was in the path of the tornadoes, close to Mobile. They just had bad stormy weather. My friend in Dallas said they got 2 inches of snow. Hope you and your wife are doing well. Right now my husband just woke up from a nap and says he’s hungry. Gotta go for now. Best Regards.

downenray

This blog is about our military being urged to censor their speech and disregard truth. Is that what we’re all writing about? I’m convinced our enemies are in control to the extent that we need a revolution in this nation. One brother suggested I should look on the internet for Southern National Convention. When I did so I discovered it’s a sounding board for Ron Paul. I find much that Ron Paul suggests less than sensible. I believe things are bad enough that secession may be necessary for patriots who love the U.S.A. But I surely am not in favor of what Ron Paul is suggesting. I don’t agree that he understands what has made this nation the beacon of hope to others that it long has been. But those now in control of our military are not patriotic in the slightest, to judge from their recent orders requiring the military personnel to not speak truth about our enemies.

paxcat

@downenray Indeed, just think what would have happened in WWII, if we had been unable to say the truth about what Hitler was doing to Jews, Poles, the disabled, etc. Would we have entered that war if everyone chose to believe that the Nazis and Germany would never do anything like what they were doing?? The military has been made into a politically correct show case for the admin who can no longer be in charge of the military and therefore our safety and security. Very bad things will result from this watering down of truth and instituting unhealthy and unsafe practices into our military, imho.

NavyJR

@paxcat It took Japan BOMBING Pearl to get us into that war; AFTER they’d ALSO been doing similar things, like the “rape of Nanking” in China and Korea, as well, and Americans knew about those atrocities as well, before we jumped in. FDR knew it would take something that drastic, and ALLOWED it to happen!

notreallyhere

@NavyJR @paxcat You’re talking about an entirely different era,,we had at that time a small military ..FDR wasn’t anxious to go to war,although many Americans were going over to help against Hitler..still communication to the people was nothing like today,,,btw ever wonder why most of our Pacific fleet was out during that attack,..it was all only a matter of time!

notreallyhere

@NavyJR Your comment is correct! that’s exactly what it would have taken to get an entire country motivated

NavyJR

@necromonger Yes, I know it was a different era; and FDR was trying to get us into that war despite what he was saying publicly! He was CFR and it was THEIR war! Only part of our fleet that was OUT of port when the attack happened was the part that’d been deployed to the Atlantic and our carrier groups; the REST, the bulk, were right there and heavily damaged or sunk! My Dad was in at the time, and KNEW what was going on; if you want to watch a FAIRLY accurate movie of the lead in, “Tora! Tora! Tora! ” is good. When it came out initially, Dad used it as a teaching tool!

paxcat

@NavyJR All I was referring to is being told what was going on regardless of the politics involved in making decision and allowing things to happen. Our military today is being told to lie to themselves and to us in order to keep the pc crowd happy, and that will not bode well down the road.

NavyJR

@paxcat They are, about many things, and no, it won’t bode well. Hell is about to break loose like we’ve never imagined, let alone SEEN.

downenray

@NavyJR FDR knew the nation wasn’t yet behind a war effort until Japan attacked US. Of course he allowed it to happen. He had no choice but to do so. But he had no way of knowing when or where the attack would come, so our military were not expecting Pearl Harbor and certainly were not prepared as some may suppose. Our loss of life and material was great and this was not the fault of President Roosevelt.

NavyJR

@downenray That’s not accurate; our intelligence DID know, in advance exactly WHERE the attack would occur, and pretty well knew when as well. In fact, there was an effort made to warn both GEN Short at Hickham, and ADM Kimmel at Pearl BEFORE the attack happened! Weather got in the way of the signals, impeding them, and telegrams sent somehow didn’t get marked urgent, so were delivered as the attack was under way!

SheilaAnn

@NavyJR @necromonger Do you suppose when some country sends a nuke here, the right will get it together????

NavyJR

@SheilaAnn Probably not; the left has done too good a job in dividing us. This nation wasn’t as divided in 1860 as it is today!

notreallyhere

@NavyJR There are much better books than that!..and I know Donald has them..

NavyJR

@notreallyhere Not sure to which books you’re referring, here, unless the Manchurian Candidate? If so, I was trying to not over-challenge. There are MANY books, but there are sometimes limited skills…

notreallyhere

@downenray A revolution is a great idea only one thing..divided we will fail..and right now we’re divided!!

NavyJR

@necromonger @downenray No kidding! Last time we tried that, we had half a Congress, and a military for sure on our side!

SheilaAnn

@downenray That is taking away our freedom of speech, begin in the military and then branch out is their plan..We should talk nice about our enemy???. We never have….We should talk nice but they can cut off heads???? Now that is really stupid…

notreallyhere

Try this one…do you believe there’s gold in FT.Knox?….one sampling ..most if not all those living in the town outside the vault say …NO!

NavyJR

@notreallyhere Not unless the “gold fairies” put it in there VERY recently while none of us was looking; it got sold off LONG since!

notreallyhere

Granted that was off topic ..but most everything here is off topic and this is a very important question..

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

donl51 There are so many misrepresentations and misinformation by well meaning people about the Bible and what the scriptures mean (in denomenations, churches and even this site.) This can be discouraging even to a Christian when someone seems to know it all. I only wish you would have had a better experience with the Bible. The King James Version is my favorite, but I have well-known concordances, Bible dictionaries, Greek/Hebrew to English Translation to help me understand the meaning of the verses in which there are words or phrases that I don’t understand. I read some modern translations and find them helpful, but I compare several versions as well as looking up individual words in my study. It takes years of studying. Much of the posts I read here are off the mark to a degree. Some are right on in certain areas as compared to Bible teachings. None of us are right all the time about everything to be honest. So we must be patient with each other as much as possible and keep trying. There are many things misunderstood about the scriptures and Jesus, but I had a personal experience when I was about 16 years old which changed by life forever. Something so miraculous that I couldn’t even tell anyone about it for many, many years. I thought I would be carted off to the looney bin if I told anyone. These things are happening more often now and are better understood and accepted. I do share it when the Lord prompts me to do so – it is very precious to me, too precious to be criticized or made fun of by those who don’t believe, and I’m not speaking of you here, You and I recognize that we don’t agree in certain areas, and we agree to respect each other anyway. I like conversing with you. My experience when I was young has given me so much encouragement and peace during my life and I have had so many difficulties, this experience has given me strength to keep going. I can’t expect everyone to understand and everyone has their story of why they believe as they do. They may be taught in church study group or study/read Bible for themselves . But it is a personal choice. One is not smarter than the other, just different belief system. Even disciples of Jesus disagreed to a certain degree. We all learn and grow. I have been in an organized church since I was a baby in bed, so there were short teachings and songs and as I grew older, the classes were age appropriate. A very Bible-based denomination which taught me a lot. Now I am attending a non-denominational church which allows/encourages growth. Enough said because I don’t want certain other ones correcting or instructing me on what I should believe. I’m also Irish (stubborn Ha) and can llisten and accept/reject based upon scripture. Hope I didn’t bore you but it does take some dedication; I would rather be pleasing to G-d than fellow man but need to be able to get along, be kind and have fun, with my friends and acquaintences. I’m going away now before you fall asleep on me.

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

donl51 Also off topic I guess – just skip over and accept my apologies. No one has to read it, and don’t get all upset. I will try to not stray so much in the future. : )

notreallyhere

@Florida Girl You’re a care giver and we all have the greatest respect for you..

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

@notreallyhere Hello, and thanks for your kind words, I appreciate that very much. I just had a nice long rest so I feel energized again.

downenray

@Florida Girl It should be noted that the King James Bible is hard to understand by people who speak modern English. A much better translation is the English Standard Bible which uses modern English. Wise people will seek to please God. Patriotic people will seek to strengthen a free republic where rights of citizens are respected. It’s already becoming clear that Obamacare does NOT respect the rights of godly citizens. Even worse things will be seen in the near future as Obama continues to write regulations which are not backed by Congressional acts.

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

@downenray Yes, you are correct in saying KJV is difficult to understand in this day and age. I grew up with it and still love/prefer it. I do have several other translations which I refer to. I presently use New King James Version, have Amplified Bible (as a friend of mine says “it’s louder” LOL) and others as well.. And I read several translations.,as well as Bible dictionaries, concordances, etc. There are many resources available. Have not reead English Standard Bible but willl look into that. Thanks.

http://yahoo.com/ Florida Girl

@downenray I just took a quick look on internet and it says It is a revision of the 1971 edition of the Revised Standard Version.[3] The translators’ stated purpose was to follow an “essentially literal” translation philosophy. I am familiar with RSV.

Evermyrtle

@Florida Girl There is no way you can witness without ruffling feathers. It cannot be done. We are not perfect and sometimes say things in the wrong way and other times the sinner does not want to hear the truth but that should never prevent us from witnessing because this is our duty to GOD, in this evil old world. if I am able to win one person for GOD through all the work and all the insults, and I have had many of them, it will be worth it , that is one more person will be able to live in heaven with GOD because I am willing to endure.