Hollywood had been founded by a largely jewish group of people who had left New York in the 1920s. Hollywood was always very cosmopolitan and liberal. Remember in the 40s that there were celebrities who wanted to abolish the HUAC and many of them were blacklisted for refusing to sign communist loyalty oaths. In the 60s, there were a lot of hollywood celebrities who supported leftwing causes. Greg Peck and Paul Newman were on Nixon's enemy list. Gene Wilder might have been too.

I was thinking maybe after George W. Bush declared war on Iraq and his spending spree. Hollywood hated Bush W. Remember stars like Pink, Faith Hill, and Madonna made comments about Bush? I remember Faith Hill and Madonna complaing about Bush's spending spree but they never say anything about the debt going up 5 trillion in Obama's 4 and a half years president. I never heard anything about Hollywood Stars commenting on politics in the 90's but of course we didn't have Lindsay Lohan, Paris Hilton(What Happened to Her?) and The Kardashian Sisters back then in terms of the big media exposure.

No, it isn't at all. It is perhaps leans Democratic in voting/donating, but as a business they churn out mostly very right wing movies - insidious stuff really, like all the culture the corporations produce.

It's not really liberal, like, San Francisco or Seattle liberal. Hollywood liberalism strikes me as being centrist, with a hint of libertarianism. But with environmentalism, and support for idiotic causes like Kony 2012, PETA, etc. Certainly culturally conservative, with the whole housewife culture and teen mom bull[Inks].

It's not really liberal, like, San Francisco or Seattle liberal. Hollywood liberalism strikes me as being centrist, with a hint of libertarianism. But with environmentalism, and support for idiotic causes like Kony 2012, PETA, etc. Certainly culturally conservative, with the whole housewife culture and teen mom bull[Inks].

Well they have to limit their liberalism, they can't afford alienating fan bases and face several boycotts.

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"Weezy F Baby and the F is for Phenomenal" - Lil' Wayne

"Look at this photograph/Every time I do it makes me laugh/How did our eyes get so red?/And what the hell is on Joey's head?" - Nickelback

Basically, its a place filled with overeducated lottery winners...well that is a major oversimplification but you can see how that fits to a point... and when they do things that reek of neoliberalism or antiabortion messages it comes off to me as a desperate ploy to try to desperately reach out to the rest of society that they are out of touch and unconnected with.

Effective policing requires to know when backing down is in the best interest of public safety. By all accounts, the culture of the Ferguson Police was ignorant of that fact, and instead treated Cartman of South Park as a role model for how to be a police officer.

Basically, its a place filled with overeducated lottery winners...well that is a major oversimplification but you can see how that fits to a point... and when they do things that reek of neoliberalism or antiabortion messages it comes off to me as a desperate ploy to try to desperately reach out to the rest of society that they are out of touch and unconnected with.

You guys are making this more complicated than it needs to be. Hollywood is liberal because artists are liberal and Hollywood is full of artists. Sure, some of the "money" isn't liberal (but many are), but the "money" cares less about politics than it does about making more dough. The people making the stuff we enjoy (or mock)...the actors, the writers, the directors, many/most of the producers..these people are liberals (with a few exceptions, obviously...but we can name them on two hands probably...and most of those won't be "regular" conservatives).

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I believe the simple truth is that they became somewhat alarmed when they realized that I really meant to write what I believed. There is a peculiar parallel between some of our great Northern "liberals" and some of our outstanding Southern liberals.

Some of the people in both classes share the deep-seated convictions that only their convictions can possibly be the right ones. They both inevitably say the same thing: "We know the Negro and what is best for him."

You guys are making this more complicated than it needs to be. Hollywood is liberal because artists are liberal and Hollywood is full of artists. Sure, some of the "money" isn't liberal (but many are), but the "money" cares less about politics than it does about making more dough. The people making the stuff we enjoy (or mock)...the actors, the writers, the directors, many/most of the producers..these people are liberals (with a few exceptions, obviously...but we can name them on two hands probably...and most of those won't be "regular" conservatives).

Yes, but Hollywood is more ideological than it used to be in the sense that it generates more psychological energy in their little minds. I guess that is due to the culture wars.

I think also a significant amount of gays and lesbians are often attracted to such an industry that promotes art and performance. I am not saying that every gay/lesbian is like that, but I think that could be a slight factor into this.

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"Weezy F Baby and the F is for Phenomenal" - Lil' Wayne

"Look at this photograph/Every time I do it makes me laugh/How did our eyes get so red?/And what the hell is on Joey's head?" - Nickelback

You guys are making this more complicated than it needs to be. Hollywood is liberal because artists are liberal and Hollywood is full of artists. Sure, some of the "money" isn't liberal (but many are), but the "money" cares less about politics than it does about making more dough. The people making the stuff we enjoy (or mock)...the actors, the writers, the directors, many/most of the producers..these people are liberals (with a few exceptions, obviously...but we can name them on two hands probably...and most of those won't be "regular" conservatives).

dead0man is correct. 'art' as it is interpreted in the West (e.g., a creative endeavor in which originality and imagination are rewarded, and whose ends stop at aesthetic pleasure) is inherently liberal. Even capitalistic. Illiberal states have a different conception of art, or else strictly subordinate art to something else, artistic creation when it does happen being a means to some other ends.

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A New Chapter"I feel like Paulette Revere — the recession is coming, the recession is coming!” - Hillary Clinton, April 3, 2008

As far as I can see Hollywood (talking in general, individual directors may be different) has any political lean, it is a fuzzy "we-are-the-world-let's-all-be-nice-to-each-other" which admittely may not appeal to those American conservatives who do not seem to be fond of niceness and prefer coarse shouting and overt nastiness (this is apparently a large element of the conservative demographic) but I don't think that would classify it is a liberal.

After all, this philosophy does not prevent Michael Bay making movies about heroic American soldiers saving the day from evil foreigners.

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Keith R Laws ‏@Keith_Laws Feb 4As I have noted before 'paradigm shift' is an anagram of 'grasp dim faith'

Look at the villains in movies. Without fail they are either "evil businessmen" or "evil corporations." In the rare event one has a public sector villain, it is revealed in the "shocking twist" that the government is in fact doing the bidding of some evil corporation. In the incredibly rare event that the villain is the government alone, the filmmakers are sure to show that it is controlled by straw conservatives. When the villain is "terrorists" etc. they tend to be neo-Nazis or the like (they are sure to be shown making some racist or sexist comment to prove their Evilness), or if they appear to be fighting for a leftist cause it is unfailingly revealed in a Shocking Twist that they are in fact being controlled by an Evil Corporation.

Look at the villains in movies. Without fail they are either "evil businessmen" or "evil corporations."

Not always. Aliens? Foreign Terrorists? Team America: World Police, while imo a failure as a film, did try to satirize something very real.

And besides, big faceless things make excellent villians. You might as well say the all distopic novels are against free buspasses for senior citizens.

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In the rare event one has a public sector villain, it is revealed in the "shocking twist" that the government is in fact doing the bidding of some evil corporation.

Petty corruption is rarely a source of hackeneyed drama á la hollywood. Bureaucrats may be stupid and incompetent and occasionally evil, but never are they interesting.

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In the incredibly rare event that the villain is the government alone, the filmmakers are sure to show that it is controlled by straw conservatives. When the villain is "terrorists" etc. they tend to be neo-Nazis or the like (they are sure to be shown making some racist or sexist comment to prove their Evilness), or if they appear to be fighting for a leftist cause it is unfailingly revealed in a Shocking Twist that they are in fact being controlled by an Evil Corporation.

I can't think of the example of the last one, but then again I hardly watch big hollywood movies any more (but I certainly did in the past). Otherwise, I don't see how your comment is relevant to my argument. Many people work at big corporations (obviously), most people dislike their boss.. they are perfect villians. Politics never enters into it (if it did, than America must be much, much more left-wing than most people think).

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Keith R Laws ‏@Keith_Laws Feb 4As I have noted before 'paradigm shift' is an anagram of 'grasp dim faith'

I'm with Gully Foyle on this, when we look at Hollywood from outside USA, we don't see this liberal monolith, yes sometimes Hollywood produce film critical of the existing order, but just as often it produce film, where the dialog could be replaced with people yelling "U.S.A U.S.A U.S.A U.S.A".Of course Hollywood are likely more libertine than the average American, but it hasn't kept them from producing movies and series which celebrate small town America and conservative values.