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i never liked the mouthfeel of milk but perhaps a smaller serving might suit you better? is it possible there was "something" in that batch that got to you? raw milk is very hard to get here, so i don't know anybody who drinks it.

i do just fine now with grass-fed organic cream and cheese. discovering the local cream was a revelation -- i was always ambivalent about the supermarket stuff. i still only have it maybe once or twice per week, with fruit.

supermarket cheese made me binge -- badly. now i can go for weeks without eating any, and when i do it's a small serving. my b/f just confessed to tossing out some brie that had been lurking for months, lol.

i was off yogurt for awhile, but had some the other day as part of the uddd trial. i used to try it as a meal and that didn't work well, so now have it after i eat, with some cocoa and berries stirred in. killah good and a little goes a long way.

As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

 Ernest Hemingway

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Sugar, even in small amounts, doesn't agree with me. It causes cravings. Plus I'm still trying to lose the last few pounds so I avoid it. I've been LCHF for about 14 months now and being in ketosis just feels right for my body. I too hate the taste of most artificial sweeteners. I like xylitol and erythritol in the occasional dessert but they're nasty in coffee. Otherwise, IMO, they're perfectly acceptable sweeteners for those who can't tolerate sugars. I hesitate to call them artificial as they're naturally found in a variety of plants. Extracting and concentrating them is unnatural but the same is done to maple syrup. Those are the only two sugar alcohols I'd use though.

Other than a drop of sucralose in my coffee I don't eat sweet tasting things on a daily basis anymore. I realize it's an artificial substance but in an otherwise totally Primal low carb diet for me it's fine.

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i never liked the mouthfeel of milk but perhaps a smaller serving might suit you better? is it possible there was "something" in that batch that got to you? raw milk is very hard to get here, so i don't know anybody who drinks it.

i do just fine now with grass-fed organic cream and cheese. discovering the local cream was a revelation -- i was always ambivalent about the supermarket stuff. i still only have it maybe once or twice per week, with fruit.

supermarket cheese made me binge -- badly. now i can go for weeks without eating any, and when i do it's a small serving. my b/f just confessed to tossing out some brie that had been lurking for months, lol.

i was off yogurt for awhile, but had some the other day as part of the uddd trial. i used to try it as a meal and that didn't work well, so now have it after i eat, with some cocoa and berries stirred in. killah good and a little goes a long way.

It could have been an off batch but it was from Organic Pastures which is apparently a pretty good dairy. You could be right though as I've never had a reaction like that to milk before, even the junky grocery store stuff. And any dairy I do from now on will be grass fed raw or at the very least minimally pasteurized like Kerrygold. I love yogurt but the only problem with that is I only like it sweetened. For that reason I limit it or use it as a sour cream sub. Berries and cream or coconut cream on the other hand are wonderful! No added sweetener needed.

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Before I went primal and discovered the joy that is regular bowel movements, I had a period of time where I cut out dairy. Dr. Google told me that a dairy allergy (different than lactose intolerance somehow) can cause constipation. So I spent some time pouring almond milk over my high-fiber cereal every day, and spreading my "double-fiber"(!) bread with some weird non-dairy buttery spread...yeah, it wasn't a dairy allergy. Thank goodness, because I do enjoy dairy, including milk. I usually have milk, cheese, greek yogurt, sour cream, butter, and heavy cream on hand. I just watch my daily overall dairy intake, because it is easy for me to overeat, and dairy is very calorific. Is that a word? Spell check isn't yelling at me so I guess it is.

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maybe try frozen berries in the yogurt? they seep liquid so that would naturally sweeten the yogurt.

it was funny, i'm not a chocolate lover, but that little sprinkle of cocoa in the yogurt made it seem a whole different food, and with the berries just amazingly good.

As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

 Ernest Hemingway

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I don't drink milk, but have full-fat yogurt and occasional cheese. When I have gone weeks without those, I find myself grabbing too many "cheat foods." When I go back to yogurt and cheese, I feel like I get enough fat to keep me satisfied and eat better, losing weight in the process. No GI trouble - guess I'm fortunate.

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and spreading my "double-fiber"(!) bread with some weird non-dairy buttery spread...yeah, it wasn't a dairy allergy. Thank goodness, because I do enjoy dairy,

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gaaaaaah. for the longest time i thought i had some sort of intolerance and even went so far as eat soy cheese!!!!

then i gave up grains et voila! no more "dairy" issues.

As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

 Ernest Hemingway

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Well seeing as I have a fairly serious casein allergy (I get hives, digestive issues and breathing issues - more along the asthma type of reaction than a full on anaphalaxis type one though) so I obviously do REALLY badly with dairy.

As a result I avoid it totally. The kids and Hubby eat it, I am just careful to avoid cross-contamination.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.

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"soy cheese" is there anyone who actually buys that stuff a second time?!:what:

I stopped drinking milk about 4 years ago in an effort to help serious sinus problems and haven't re-introduced now I'm grain-free. Doubt I will - I eat butter, but have never liked sour cream, whipped cream, and yogurt, just the sight of it, makes me gag. Can't tolerate ice cream, but I'm suspecting that's more the quality of the ice cream than intolerance.

Ironic - we used to dairy farm ....

Lark

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I don't drink milk, but have full-fat yogurt and occasional cheese. When I have gone weeks without those, I find myself grabbing too many "cheat foods." When I go back to yogurt and cheese, I feel like I get enough fat to keep me satisfied and eat better, losing weight in the process. No GI trouble - guess I'm fortunate.

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Well seeing as I have a fairly serious casein allergy (I get hives, digestive issues and breathing issues - more along the asthma type of reaction than a full on anaphalaxis type one though) so I obviously do REALLY badly with dairy.

As a result I avoid it totally. The kids and Hubby eat it, I am just careful to avoid cross-contamination.

I think most people don't know the difference between a casein allergy and a lactose intolerance, and lump all 'dairy issues' in the same pile. I know people with one or the other and their symptoms are very different.