So...if I distribute something, no matter what it says, and the more well
known it is, the better...say copy and paste it, and it is picked up,
copied and acted upon all over the world, then I am not responsible and
cannot be held responsible for its content or the actions which result from
it.

Is that what I said? Nope. Did I imply that? Nope. I just referred to
proximate and ultimate cause. If the document hadn't been forged by the
Russians, it wouldn't have been given to John Ford and distributed here and
in Nazi Germany.

And going to the sources, does not get one off the hook either.

No, but it's necessary if you're going to try to "take apart" an "article"
(I'm not sure if that referred to the list of excerpts or the actual book,
with all the context and supporting details and citations).

Hi Michael,
So...if I distribute something, no matter what it says, and the more well
known it is, the better...say copy and paste it, and it is picked up,
copied and acted upon all over the world, then I am not responsible and
cannot be held responsible for its content or the actions which result from
it. And the more widely it is known, the more credible it is made, the
more true it is...Interesting view of free speech...research, truth, lies,
deception and all that jazz.

And going to the sources, does not get one off the hook either.
Consulting the sources does not necessarily establish the truth, or remove
the disinformation, as I found out when I got to the 40th volume of Lenin's
works, only to find out that they had all been "doctored" i.e. made
politically correct to suit comrade Stalin's view of the world, by his
comrades in the publishing house. It was only later that I realised, as
Henry Ford said..."History is bunk"...took a lot of convincing...but I
admit to being a slow learner... :-) .

I once read a book called "The Meaning of Meaning" which was written in
the late 19th century, by a load of English Academics, after reading it
and digesting it for a long time, it made a lot of sense to me...It posed
the question, and the only answer it could give was how difficult it was to
establish what the truth was or what meaning was... :-) .

Of course, at some time one has to come down to a point where on has to
believe in something enough to act on it..and then one joins all the other
philosophers of the world, in giving one's own interpretation of what
oneself and the world is all about. Difficult proposition, and has little
to do with truth.
In a famous book called "What is History" E.H. Carr argues that history
is written by the historians.
ATB
Dougie.
P.S. There are many truths, the science is picking the one you want to
believe in and putting it into practice. The art is getting as many others
to believe in it and you as possible so that you are a success... :-) .
Believe and act in the wrong things at the wrong time and you are fucked.
c'est la vie... :-) . Playing with Goebballs.

On 12/01/2016 20:44, Michael Best wrote:

The difference, Dougie, is that one is widely known and the other isn't.
There's also the fact that the Russians were responsible for the forgery,
so all distributions of the book can be laid at their feet.

Also, if you want to pick something apart you'd have to resort to the
source material - not a few dozen quotes from a 450 page book. Context,
after all, is king (and the extensive notes and references help a lot, too)

sWho speaketh the truth?
Just a squick observation on disinformation below, an example of how
information on disinformation can be spread inadvertently... :-) .

quote<<<<How the Soviet bloc planted 4,000 agents of influence in the
Islamic world, armed with hundreds of thousands of copies of the most
infamous anti-Semitic book in history, to fan the flames of ancient Arab
resentments against the U.S. and Israel and sow the seeds of anti-Semitism
that would later bloom in the form of violence and terror toward Jews and
Christians.>>>end of quote.

This book was also promoted by Henry Ford who funded the printing of
500,000 copies of it. Adolf Hitler also had it distributed to schools in
Germany and its anti-Jewish message was taught as a part of the national
socialist curriculum.
I think it also crops up in a book called The Da Vinci Code by Dan Brown
where he mentions the formation and existence of the Priory of Sion. In
the introduction to the Book, Dan Brown, says that "everything in this book
is true" Even though it is classed as fiction, I knew some people who
thought the work was true.

I could take the rest of the article apart, if I could be bothered...but
I think that the example is enough to show that the truth is never simple
and rarely true... :-)

Lt. Gen. Ion Mihai Pacepa, the highest-ranking intelligence official
ever to defect from the Soviet Bloc, served as acting chief of communist
Romania's espionage service and top adviser to President Nicolae Ceausescu.

The highest-ranking Soviet bloc intelligence official ever to defect to
the West, Lt. Gen. Ion Mihai Pacepa is at it again. Today, still living
undercover in the United States, the man credited by the CIA as the only
person in the Western world who single-handedly demolished an entire enemy
espionage service--the one he himself managed--takes aim at an even bigger
target: the exotic, widely misunderstood but still astonishingly
influential realm of the Russian-born "science" of disinformation.Indeed,
within these pages, Pacepa, along with his co-author, historian and law
professor Ronald Rychlak, expose some of the most consequential yet largely
unknown disinformation campaigns of our lifetime.

Discover answers to many crucial questions of the modern era:

- Why, during the last two generations, has so much of the Western
world turned against its founding faith, Christianity?
- Why have radical Islam, jihad and terrorism burst aflame after a
long period of apparent quiescence?
- Why is naked Marxism increasingly manifesting in America and its
NATO allies?
- What really happened to Russia after the Berlin Wall came down?

Like the solution to a giant jigsaw puzzle lacking one crucial piece,
Disinformation authoritatively provides the missing dimension that makes
the chaos of the modern world finally understandable. By its very nature, a
disinformation campaign can work only if the seemingly independent Western
press accepts intentionally fabricated lies and presents them to the public
as truth. Thus, Pacepa and Rychlak also document how the U.S. "mainstream
media's" enduring sympathy for all things liberal-left has made it
vulnerable to--indeed, the prime carrier of--civilization-transforming
campaigns of lying, defamation and historical revisionism that turn reality
on its head.

- How destroying the reputation of good leaders has been developed
into a high art and science.
- How Pope Pius XII --a generation ago the world's most high-profile
Christian leader, who personally saved countless Jews from Hitler's
Holocaust--was transformed, through the magic of disinformation, into a
Nazi sympathizer.
- How Christianity and Judaism have been targeted for constant
denigration and defamation through an ongoing campaign of disinformation.
- How the Soviet bloc planted 4,000 agents of influence in the
Islamic world, armed with hundreds of thousands of copies of the most
infamous anti-Semitic book in history, to fan the flames of ancient Arab
resentments against the U.S. and Israel and sow the seeds of
anti-Semitism
that would later bloom in the form of violence and terror toward Jews and
Christians.
- How the defamatory attacks on American soldiers John Kerry made
before Congress upon his return from Vietnam--charges later discredited
and
repudiated--were identical to a contemporaneous KGB disinformation
campaign
concocted to turn Americans against their own leaders.
- How supposedly respectable institutions like the World Council of
Churches have long been infiltrated and controlled by Russian
intelligence.
- How much of the world came to believe that the U.S. government
itself masterminded the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.
- How the Soviet Union has been transformed into the first
intelligence dictatorship in history.
- How disinformation is still very much alive in the age of Obama,
remaining a powerful engine in the ongoing socialist transformation of
America.

All this and much more is meticulously documented in Disinformation,
with the credibility of an eyewitness who was not only there, but actively
involved as a Soviet bloc spy chief--who, thanks to a crisis of conscience,
"left the dark side" and came to America to help shine a light on the
greatest source of political evil of the modern age.

--
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though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who
neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight
that knows neither victory nor defeat.
*~ Theodore Roosevelt*

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