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Originally posted by SG-4: And if I'm supposed to learn by asking, I think that's what I'm doing?!!!

You ain't supposed to learn by asking.You need to learn, read and figure it out y ourselfThat's the way it goes.

Bu NO kids nowdays are ways to stupid and lame for that? "But i did use google", bah searching for 5 seconds doesn't count. Those kids now don't have time to learn, they just want to leech warez all day long.

By books, start reading, try it all out, make mistakes, learn from those. That's how to be a "hacker".

Never argue with fools... They will only drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience...

Boggle, JC. That's not what a hacker is at all, and there are plenty of the sort of people you're talking about out there. They're called programmers or coders. They work for software companies, write shareware or freeware, and may or may not do real hacking on the side. Any good hacker, will be able to do these things it's true, but they don't make the person a hacker. A hacker is a person who hacks, for whatever purpose that may be. They don't build or create anything; at least not using hacking skills.

And don't even get me started on the whole white hat/black hat load of bs.

Good sites, btw, but hacking isn't one of those things you can teach someone on a bbs forum board. It takes work, dedication, knowledge, and plenty of time. If you don't have those things welcome to the Black Pit of Script Kiddism boys 'n girls! It's not a magic bullet, and it's not a skill you can learn over night, so be prepared to fork over a lot of time and effort, or quit bugging people with boards like "i w@an 1urn h@XoR1111! Cn u t3@ch meh1111!!?"

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I think that people seem to have this misconception about what Hacking really is. In it's Media label it is someone who is 'evil' and malicious. But if you look at the actual definition, it is "an enthusiastic and skillful computer programmer and user. a person who uses computers to gain unauthorized access to data." Now lets look at the definition of a "Cracker", it is one who gains illegal access to a computer with the intent of doing malice. It was made to make a distinction in what the Hacker does and what others who deface the name "Hacker" do. Unfortunately the media would have a tough time using Cracker because people are dumb and would think it was a racial slur or something.So get it strait all you "I am hacker." people who download some app from the net, which btw is probably full of backdoors, you are not a hacker if all you want to do is malice, doom and destruction to the net. Those of us who want to make life better, we are the hackers.And for gods sakes, learn how to code, wait better yet don't, that way i will have little competition in the job market :-)

The only difference between them is that they all made their own hardware with the exception of Mr Gates. Also Rob Pike (with AT&T), the co-creator of UNIX, on which quite a few operating systems are varients of, or have their roots in.

Note that the richest one didnt make his own hardware and instead got paid to let his product sell as an ecompaniment to an allready existing Hardware manufacturer. Also, note that the core of the new MacOS X is straight Berkeley Unix, and Linux as a very closely related to Unix.

Originally posted by Juno_NH: Rob Pike (with AT&T), the co-creator of UNIX, on which quite a few operating systems are varients of, or have their roots in.

Rob Pike, well known for his appearances on ``Late Night with David Letterman'', is also a Member of Technical Staff at AT&T Bell Laboratories in Murray Hill, New Jersey, where he has been since 1980, the same year he won the Olympic silver medal in Archery. In 1981 he wrote the first bitmap window system for Unix systems, and has since written ten more.

UNIX® (or Unix) is a portable, multi-task and multi-user computer operating system originally developed by a group of AT&T Bell Labs employees including Ken Thompson, Dennis Ritchie and Douglas McIlroy. Wikipedia

Not to be Nit picky but even though Mr. Pike is a prolific programmer, he was not a co-creator of UNIX, he just wrote stuff for it. See UNIX was created in 1970 and Mr. Pike did not work at Bell Labs until 1980. If you are going to post in a topic that is on a sticky make sure your facts are straight.

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