"Conservatives" are suppose to love the unionized government thugs known as the police.

Posted by Potsie at February 9, 2013 4:47 PM

What is clear to me is that Mr. Dorner does not really belong to the Right or to the Left. What he belongs to is the Relativists. From his manifesto, the injustices he suffered, while probably legitimate, are not wrong in an absolutist sense; rather, they are wrong relative to his self-defined "ethos". Essentially, this makes him no better than his tormentors, as they could very well embrace their own "ethos" which, relative to his own, is incompatible.

For the record, I agree that several of his stated injustices would have been legitimate (i.e., degrading namecalling), but only in an absolutist sense. We do what we can to seek recourse and justice via established systems, but when all that fails we Christians don't have to take matters into our own hands to remain sane. From my seemingly trite Christian perspective, the LAPD members who perpetuated an injustice must one day account for those injustices to their Creator (and to whom, in a sane world, vengeance belongs ... for what if the children of the slain officers now seek their own vengeance? There would be no end to it.)

On the other hand, anybody who reads the news should know by now that the LAPD has been out of control for some time. And this is a very interesting predicament the LAPD has gotten itself into. I am truly thankful that it wasn't some self defined right wing "gun nut".

Finally, does anyone else see the irony in gun-toting Mr. Dorner's appeal to Senator Feinstein for gun control. Maybe he should lay down his gun and let her handle the situation for him. The irony is that she would side with the system, the LAPD system, which Mr. Dorner so despises.

Posted by edaddy at February 9, 2013 5:18 PM

That Dorner guy has got inside their heads.
Exactly. What's the chance, should they find him, that he's taken alive?

Posted by Cris at February 9, 2013 5:22 PM

This was done by the Torrance Police, a suburb of LA and a separate police force from the LAPD.

As noted above, it was the Torrance, CA police. And they've gone and shot up another pickup that matched the description - by which we mean a different make and color. Driven by a white guy.

Posted by SteveS at February 10, 2013 7:03 AM

Dorner is a phoney Super Hero who's managed to game the system all his life because of his skin color.

He's a bully and a coward and has no desire to die. He's hiding now but in due time will wave the flag of surrender. After being taken into custody will continue whining about how unfair the world is to blacks.
He'll be looking for an O.J. Simpson outcome, knowing Obama voters have circled the wagons on his behalf.

Posted by Rocky at February 10, 2013 9:33 AM

Potsie, I can't speak for other conservatives, but yours truly prefers that cops obey the law, like the rest of us citizens are supposed to. They should also follow some basic rules of firearms safety, like the one that goes "be sure of your target and its surroundings". It looks to me like the Torrance PD needs remedial training on that. Lots of it.

I've lived in several countries where the police were a law unto themselves. The consequences of that were invariably ugly. No conservative that I know wants American cops to have that kind of power.

Posted by waltj at February 10, 2013 10:19 AM

The Torrance Police Chief refuses, absolutely refuses, to issue carry permits to citizens (unless of course you are able to make a large 5-figure donation to his favorite charity, which satisfies California's requirement for good moral character). The Chief says it's too dangerous to have the citizens carrying, Torrance is a peaceful and safe city, and the police can take care of it all.

Count the holes. They emptied their high-capacity law-enforcement only service pistols into the back of the SUV. No CCW-licensed citizen would ever, EVER, behave in such an irresponsible and murderous way.

The Torrance police should have their open carry permits revoked. All of them. It's too dangerous for the citizens to have the police carrying. And they should start arming the citizens, who are better able to operate firearms with safety and within the law.

Posted by John A. Fleming at February 10, 2013 9:31 PM

The wrong model vehicle, the wrong color vehicle, 2 people in the vehicle and both the wrong gender, an obvious license plate not traced before shooting, emptying weapons and reloading to empty them again.

This is attempted murder without any viable justification. They should be charged acordingly. Perhpas holding ploice accountable to the law would make them a littel more cautious and responsible for their actions.

Being in pursuit of criminals does not justify criminal behavior on the part of the police officers.

Posted by DC Tremaine at February 11, 2013 6:24 AM

Love cops or fear them? Take a deep breath everybody, because we haven't gone over the precipice yet.

Yes there are many a disturbing sign of how the police have been evolving into enforcers of stupid laws, and are overarming and overreacting in an increasing number of instances. But they are tools of a system that's being taken over by those who despise most of us and have contempt for whatever it is America once was. I know it's fashionable to say we're now a "police state," but we're not there yet. We will be in due time if nothing is reversed, but we're not there yet.

Posted by Don Rodrigo at February 11, 2013 9:09 AM

I own a firing range. We train people to operate weapons of all descriptions. Police cannot be trained. They have an attitude when they drive up to the range and it does not allow any "training". They already know it---all.

And they do fear trained civilians of which there are lots of all over the US over the past ten years.

Posted by Terry at February 11, 2013 3:32 PM

Donut holes man.

Posted by sTevo at February 11, 2013 6:41 PM

@Terry: what you say is actually fairly frightening. Most cops, if something I read a few years back is accurate (I don't remember where), don't draw their service weapons very often, and even fewer shoot. But yet they profess to "know it all" about shooting. Perhaps that's why we have incidents like the one cited here involving the Torrance PD. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Posted by waltj at February 11, 2013 8:03 PM

"To protect and serve", doesn't mention whom they are protecting and serving. Hint: It's probably no longer the taxpayers.