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This. They'll use the default ones. It would be funny if there was a chapter in where they go to a alternate universe and meet their other selves but I won't count on that. They'll probably just use the default ones from the artwork, hopefully.

Moon/Glovehead Berlitz! Make it a reality for a Berlitz reunion celebration!

I was thinking..I know this will never happen but what if the main male character's first Pokemon wasn't a starter..i think that would be cool and maybe later on he can catch Froakie.. ( Also i am sure Yamamoto has already had some ideas on the Pokemon X and Y Manga)

I was thinking..I know this will never happen but what if the main male character's first Pokemon wasn't a starter..i think that would be cool and maybe later on he can catch Froakie.. ( Also i am sure Yamamoto has already had some ideas on the Pokemon X and Y Manga)

Most of the main characters first Pokemon in Adventures is not their starters anyway. Red had his Poliwhirl, Green had Scyther, Blue her Jigglypuff, Yellow Rattata, Gold had a whole family of Pokemon, Silver had Sneasel, Crystal was like Gold and had a full team before getting a starter. Ruby, Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, Black, and White are the same. I think Sapphire had Torchic as one of her starters, and Emerald...wow it's been awhile, I forget what his first Pokemon was...maybe it was a starter.

But yeah, the main characters usually have at least one Pokemon before they get their starters.

Moon/Glovehead Berlitz! Make it a reality for a Berlitz reunion celebration!

Most of the main characters first Pokemon in Adventures is not their starters anyway. Red had his Poliwhirl, Green had Scyther, Blue her Jigglypuff, Yellow Rattata, Gold had a whole family of Pokemon, Silver had Sneasel, Crystal was like Gold and had a full team before getting a starter. Ruby, Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, Black, and White are the same. I think Sapphire had Torchic as one of her starters, and Emerald...wow it's been awhile, I forget what his first Pokemon was...maybe it was a starter.

But yeah, the main characters usually have at least one Pokemon before they get their starters.

Well if memory serves me correctly then the only main character whose first Pokemon was his starter was Emerald. Sapphire's first Pokemon was Aron.

Anyway, I think the protagonist will have an Eevee that'll evolve into Ninfia, could even be Red's Espeon's offspring. And if they also introduce a Dragon Eeveelution, I want the boy to have Ninfia and the girl to have "Drakia".

And Fairy type is real. It has been leaked, and it's not just a troll. A new type means Arceus will get a new form, which means he'll be somehow featured in the XY arc or RS remakes if they are made. Adding this to Mewtwo's new forms, I think we'll have another Dex Holder reunion and Saque will finally be defeated.

About the customization, if my genetic experiment theory turns out correct, they could use the alternate skin colors as "previous experiments", but I don't see this happening. I at least want the protagonists to be seen in alternate clothes from time and time.

Anyway, I think the protagonist will have an Eevee that'll evolve into Ninfia, could even be Red's Espeon's offspring. And if they also introduce a Dragon Eeveelution, I want the boy to have Ninfia and the girl to have "Drakia".

And Fairy type is real. It has been leaked, and it's not just a troll. A new type means Arceus will get a new form, which means he'll be somehow featured in the XY arc or RS remakes if they are made. Adding this to Mewtwo's new forms, I think we'll have another Dex Holder reunion and Saque will finally be defeated.

About the customization, if my genetic experiment theory turns out correct, they could use the alternate skin colors as "previous experiments", but I don't see this happening. I at least want the protagonists to be seen in alternate clothes from time and time.

No it won't.

Arceus' type thing only appeared once and it wasn't really that important. It didn't even use all of the types, just Water, Electric, Rock, Grass, and Psychic. We only saw the other ones in Archer's imagination.

And Fairy type is real. It has been leaked, and it's not just a troll. A new type means Arceus will get a new form, which means he'll be somehow featured in the XY arc or RS remakes if they are made. Adding this to Mewtwo's new forms, I think we'll have another Dex Holder reunion and Saque will finally be defeated.

About the customization, if my genetic experiment theory turns out correct, they could use the alternate skin colors as "previous experiments", but I don't see this happening. I at least want the protagonists to be seen in alternate clothes from time and time.

I haven't heard of any Fairy-type rumors and Serebii hasn't revealed anything either. Where is your source?

Arceus' type thing only appeared once and it wasn't really that important. It didn't even use all of the types, just Water, Electric, Rock, Grass, and Psychic. We only saw the other ones in Archer's imagination.

Kusaka likes to feature all Pokémon, moves, and forms, even if he has to resort to gratuitious cameo appearances. Appearing in a character's imagination also counts, and was probably a fast way to get rid of their debuts.
The that Kusaka likes to show all Pokémon and forms obviously means that Arceus's Fairy form is obviously form, and Mewtwo's two new forms are going to appear somehow. Arceus could appear in someone's imagination or even a flashback, but you need someone who knows about Sinnoh's myths. Saque?
Mewtwo however, makes no sense to have anything other than a physical appearance.

Originally Posted by Dreamingflower

I haven't heard of any Fairy-type rumors and Serebii hasn't revealed anything either. Where is your source?

Also, according to the insider, you can get a Kanto starter from a professor named Sycamore. This makes me wonder if the main characters will get them. Actually, Sycamore could be the ties between Kalos and the older characters, which could allow for a Dex Holder reunion since I can't picture Mewtwo having a role in any arc if the Kanto Dex Holders don't appear, especially since it could be the chance to defeat Saque if she escapes the World Tournament or doesn't appear in BW2.

Also, could you comment about the post I linked? I posted that two weeks ago, and I want to know what people think of those two alternates to the espionage theory.

I saw someone joked in Yamamoto's Twitter, the main characters of XY will be called Xaka (Kusaka) and Yamamoto. lol

That would be freaking hilarious.

And Fairy type is real. It has been leaked, and it's not just a troll. A new type means Arceus will get a new form, which means he'll be somehow featured in the XY arc or RS remakes if they are made. Adding this to Mewtwo's new forms, I think we'll have another Dex Holder reunion and Saque will finally be defeated.

1.) If we didn't get RS remakes in Gen V, we're probably not getting them now. Sequels, on the other hand...

2.) It would make sense to have a Dexholder reunion somewhere in the Gen VI chapters. It would start a pattern of having them every three generations.

The that Kusaka likes to show all Pokémon and forms obviously means that Arceus's Fairy form is obviously form, and Mewtwo's two new forms are going to appear somehow. Arceus could appear in someone's imagination or even a flashback, but you need someone who knows about Sinnoh's myths. Saque?

Who says that they don't have books detailing the history of Sinnoh in Kalos? You can still be an expert on something without experiencing it firsthand. Historians, for example.

1.) If we didn't get RS remakes in Gen V, we're probably not getting them now. Sequels, on the other hand...

I also don't see RS remakes, but I commented on their possibility because I saw someone mentioning that Tsunekaz [surname] or some other guy from Pokémon said during Nintendo Direct that they were preparing something for Hoenn fans. But I could have misread it, or be remembering wrong.

Originally Posted by Flintoff Cypress

It would make sense to have a Dexholder reunion somewhere in the Gen VI chapters. It would start a pattern of having them every three generations.

We have the World Tournament which is likely going to appear in BW2. If it happens, a reunion is obligatory, so it wouldn't be every three generations. I see it more like "whenever it's convenient to the plot or whenever we have a connection to previous generations to showcase".

Originally Posted by Flintoff Cypress

Who says that they don't have books detailing the history of Sinnoh in Kalos? You can still be an expert on something without experiencing it firsthand. Historians, for example.

I don't know. The way they head for "hey look, we discovered another one-hundred or so new Pokémon" at every generation and go like "hey look, I'm having a flashback where I have said newly discovered Pokémon even though it hasn't been discovered yet" just blatantly screams to me that the SPECIAL world has a screwed globalization, and the only time (I think) we had anyone knowing about the myths of one region without being from said region or having experienced anything firsthand was the Rocket Generals knowing about Arceus in HGSS, and for all we know, Saque could be involved in it ue to her connection to Rocket.

Now there's some things I want to bring up; the newer insider info from the games. Since it's almost a given for these to be true, I want to discuss the following:
-The turning upside-down thing. How will it be adapted to the manga? The anime will probably ignore it, but Kusaka likes to emulate gameplay, so... Turning the Pokédex upside-down? The Dex was treated as an equivalent to the Game Boy in RGB. But only three people per region have Pokédexes, so it would be impossible for any normal trainer to do it. Maybe Kusaka will come up with a specific item for that, or have the Pokémon turned upside-down?

-Two rivals. This... kind of solves one of the things I was thinking (see below), but brings up another problem: Unless one of these rivals is the unchosen player, we've got four characters, and only three games if we get a third version. There's not enough game names for these characters, and we have the naming tradition. If Kusaka finds a way to name two of the characters as "X" and "Y", like the espionage theory, of any of these two, then we still got one character left. If neither of the rivals is the unchosen player, and we get a third version, I would say it will be used to name an original character rather than one of the rivals. At any rate, I think the days of Dex Holder rivals are counted.

The worry I mentioned above is about three characters and only two games being released. We usually have three characters: The boy, the girl, and the rival. Gen. I doesn't have a gender choice, so there was no need to put a third character until the third game was out, and Gen. II only introduced this in the thrid version, so it could get away with introducing the girl later. However, Gen. III has a gender choice, with the unchosen player becoming the rival for a time another rival who only takes this later, so Kusaka introduced the girl right off the bat, and gave the name of the third version to an original character.
Gen. IV, again, has a gender choice and a normal rival who is not a player option. This time, Kusaka didn't have an excuse to introduce one of the characters later, so he went for an unusual solution: Gave the girl a surname, and made her refuse to give her first name until the third version was released. This was an innovative solution, but there's no way Kusaka can use it all the time, or else it would become stale, or stupid, and introducing either the rival or the girl later would be "unforgivable" or something along these lines, so Kusaka would have to choose between ending the naming tradition, or denying the rivals the right of being Dex Holders, and since I don't see him going for the first option, as he has done everything possible to keep the naming tradition alive until.
He could also decide to reveal later that the character was using a fake name for whatever reason, which, again, can't be done all the time, so I was wondering about the future of the naming tradition and what it means for the rivals.

I also don't see RS remakes, but I commented on their possibility because I saw someone mentioning that Tsunekaz [surname] or some other guy from Pokémon said during Nintendo Direct that they were preparing something for Hoenn fans. But I could have misread it, or be remembering wrong.

We have the World Tournament which is likely going to appear in BW2. If it happens, a reunion is obligatory, so it wouldn't be every three generations. I see it more like "whenever it's convenient to the plot or whenever we have a connection to previous generations to showcase".

I don't know. The way they head for "hey look, we discovered another one-hundred or so new Pokémon" at every generation and go like "hey look, I'm having a flashback where I have said newly discovered Pokémon even though it hasn't been discovered yet" just blatantly screams to me that the SPECIAL world has a screwed globalization, and the only time (I think) we had anyone knowing about the myths of one region without being from said region or having experienced anything firsthand was the Rocket Generals knowing about Arceus in HGSS, and for all we know, Saque could be involved in it ue to her connection to Rocket.

Now there's some things I want to bring up; the newer insider info from the games. Since it's almost a given for these to be true, I want to discuss the following:
-The turning upside-down thing. How will it be adapted to the manga? The anime will probably ignore it, but Kusaka likes to emulate gameplay, so... Turning the Pokédex upside-down? The Dex was treated as an equivalent to the Game Boy in RGB. But only three people per region have Pokédexes, so it would be impossible for any normal trainer to do it. Maybe Kusaka will come up with a specific item for that, or have the Pokémon turned upside-down?

-Two rivals. This... kind of solves one of the things I was thinking (see below), but brings up another problem: Unless one of these rivals is the unchosen player, we've got four characters, and only three games if we get a third version. There's not enough game names for these characters, and we have the naming tradition. If Kusaka finds a way to name two of the characters as "X" and "Y", like the espionage theory, of any of these two, then we still got one character left. If neither of the rivals is the unchosen player, and we get a third version, I would say it will be used to name an original character rather than one of the rivals. At any rate, I think the days of Dex Holder rivals are counted.

The worry I mentioned above is about three characters and only two games being released. We usually have three characters: The boy, the girl, and the rival. Gen. I doesn't have a gender choice, so there was no need to put a third character until the third game was out, and Gen. II only introduced this in the thrid version, so it could get away with introducing the girl later. However, Gen. III has a gender choice, with the unchosen player becoming the rival for a time another rival who only takes this later, so Kusaka introduced the girl right off the bat, and gave the name of the third version to an original character.
Gen. IV, again, has a gender choice and a normal rival who is not a player option. This time, Kusaka didn't have an excuse to introduce one of the characters later, so he went for an unusual solution: Gave the girl a surname, and made her refuse to give her first name until the third version was released. This was an innovative solution, but there's no way Kusaka can use it all the time, or else it would become stale, or stupid, and introducing either the rival or the girl later would be "unforgivable" or something along these lines, so Kusaka would have to choose between ending the naming tradition, or denying the rivals the right of being Dex Holders, and since I don't see him going for the first option, as he has done everything possible to keep the naming tradition alive until.
He could also decide to reveal later that the character was using a fake name for whatever reason, which, again, can't be done all the time, so I was wondering about the future of the naming tradition and what it means for the rivals.

Um...the same thing happened in BW. Kusaka could do the same thing he did before and give the two rivals the Cheren and Bianca treatment. He could give them starters and Pokedexes and all but eventually the rivals are gonna have to give their Pokedexes to the real Dexholders. I think the third version days are over and we're gonna get either sequels or prequels. And if there is only one rival in the second set of games, then he becomes the official rival Dexholder of Generation VI. And the naming tradition is already kinda ruined with Hugh being named Hugh (well it's not confirmed yet that he's gonna be the third Unova Dexholder but I think it's pretty clear at this point).

And where are you getting all the info with the Hoenn fans and the two rivals thing? Was it announced just today or something? I never heard of these news.

-Two rivals. This... kind of solves one of the things I was thinking (see below), but brings up another problem: Unless one of these rivals is the unchosen player, we've got four characters, and only three games if we get a third version. There's not enough game names for these characters, and we have the naming tradition. If Kusaka finds a way to name two of the characters as "X" and "Y", like the espionage theory, of any of these two, then we still got one character left. If neither of the rivals is the unchosen player, and we get a third version, I would say it will be used to name an original character rather than one of the rivals. At any rate, I think the days of Dex Holder rivals are counted.

Did the info specify that the two rivals are new characters? Or is one of them the OTHER playable character?

I also don't see RS remakes, but I commented on their possibility because I saw someone mentioning that Tsunekaz [surname] or some other guy from Pokémon said during Nintendo Direct that they were preparing something for Hoenn fans. But I could have misread it, or be remembering wrong.

Again, that could be anything. For all we know they could be re-releasing Gen III on the 3DS virtual console.

We have the World Tournament which is likely going to appear in BW2. If it happens, a reunion is obligatory, so it wouldn't be every three generations. I see it more like "whenever it's convenient to the plot or whenever we have a connection to previous generations to showcase".

Wasn't there some "leaked" information that said that the PWT was coming back (in an expanded form) in XY? If that's the case, then Kusaka might hold off until Gen VI to cover the PWT to allow him to get to the XY chapter before getting too far behind.

I don't know. The way they head for "hey look, we discovered another one-hundred or so new Pokémon" at every generation and go like "hey look, I'm having a flashback where I have said newly discovered Pokémon even though it hasn't been discovered yet" just blatantly screams to me that the SPECIAL world has a screwed globalization, and the only time (I think) we had anyone knowing about the myths of one region without being from said region or having experienced anything firsthand was the Rocket Generals knowing about Arceus in HGSS, and for all we know, Saque could be involved in it ue to her connection to Rocket.

Now that's a simple case of bad writing. Kusaka could have handed that better, but didn't. While it would create a plot-hole to have people knowledgeable in other region's history, it's one that's small enough to be overlooked for the sake of the plot.

And where are you getting all the info with the Hoenn fans and the two rivals thing? Was it announced just today or something? I never heard of these news.

The "two rivals" thing is from supposed "leaked" information. There's too much conjecture being thrown around based on these "leaks".

Well, judging how everyone is becoming interested to this thread, I might as well join in.

My only question for this thread is how will it become of this? Say, how will the newer protagonists will have newer roles. From the RS, Brandon became the Coordinator and Sapphire as the Battler. Then there was a comedians to bodyguards for DP. And now a regular trainer for Black and Pokemon Movie Associate for White. How will this work out for X and Y (The newer protagonists)? Same goes to the newer gym leaders, villains, elite fours, and the champions.

I am Red, Knights of the Pokemon Round Table. I have come afar to bring justice to all warriors and trainers with my valiant Pokemon and my weapon.

Well, judging how everyone is becoming interested to this thread, I might as well join in.

My only question for this thread is how will it become of this? Say, how will the newer protagonists will have newer roles. From the RS, Brandon became the Coordinator and Sapphire as the Battler. Then there was a comedians to bodyguards for DP. And now a regular trainer for Black and Pokemon Movie Associate for White. How will this work out for X and Y (The newer protagonists)? Same goes to the newer gym leaders, villains, elite fours, and the champions.

Maybe they will try to go back to the route of GSC chapter.

The main character don't challenges the gyms, but still all gym leaders appear.

You know, one of the things announced (or implied) for X/Y during the first trailer is a new mechaninc involving bonds. I believe this mechanic will introduce a new Evolution method (by which sylveon will evolve). So here's a theory: The protagonist's first Pokémon is one that evolves by bond. It would be a nice way to show the "bond means power" thing that goes in most monster series.

Originally Posted by Macromind101

And where are you getting all the info with the Hoenn fans and the two rivals thing? Was it announced just today or something? I never heard of these news.

The Hoenn thing is something I saw in the G6 threads when X/Y was announced, but I could've misread or be misremembering. The two rivals is linked in the "the newer insider info" part of my previous post.

Originally Posted by Macromind101

Um...the same thing happened in BW. Kusaka could do the same thing he did before and give the two rivals the Cheren and Bianca treatment. He could give them starters and Pokedexes and all but eventually the rivals are gonna have to give their Pokedexes to the real Dexholders. I think the third version days are over and we're gonna get either sequels or prequels. And if there is only one rival in the second set of games, then he becomes the official rival Dexholder of Generation VI.

Even if we don't have a fourth character, we still got one character left to be named after a game, and Kusaka can't just keep hiding the third character name every arc like he did with Platinum, or else it would get repetitive. He could also just use the character's game canon name, but we saw what happened to Mitsuru, Cheren, and Bel, even though they couldn't be named in the games, and Hue is only an exception because there's no third game to name him after.

Originally Posted by Macromind101

And the naming tradition is already kinda ruined with Hugh being named Hugh (well it's not confirmed yet that he's gonna be the third Unova Dexholder but I think it's pretty clear at this point).

I'm pretty sure there'll be a second set of Dexes. In the games, Hue raised his starter from an egg, and the two sets of Starters seem to be setting up a third set of Starters as descendants of them. Do your math, it's pretty obvious what's going to happen. And since it would be weird to have only one of these Starters being given to a main character, we got the BW2 players, and possibly a second set of Dexes (which could already be with Araragi Father. Or not), so Hue could also be fourth or fifth Dex holder, or even the sixth if Cheren's Dex is given to someone else.

Originally Posted by redchesus

Did the info specify that the two rivals are new characters? Or is one of them the OTHER playable character?

It only said "one rival is competitive, and the other is friendly. The friendly rival gives you his/her fully evolved Starter after you beat the game". We've got this image, but someone said it could be a co-op mode because the brown-haired girl is in a place that "doesn't make sense for an NPC".
Now, if we do get four characters, we still have to deal with the fact that they are short one starter. They could just repeat one of the Starters, which is how I thought they would deal with White until they revealed the second set of Starters, but it would be weird to have just one of the Starters being repeated. They could just repeat all three Starters, but it still would feel weird. However, according to the leaker, you can get one of the Kanto Starters from a Professor named Sycamore, so they could just give all three Kanto Starters to the fourth character, should he/she exist.

Originally Posted by Flintoff Cypress

Again, that could be anything. For all we know they could be re-releasing Gen III on the 3DS virtual console.

I remember hearing that Nintendo/GF said they wouldn't release the old games for the virtual console. Though they could just be referring to G1, or I could be forgetting something.

Originally Posted by Flintoff Cypress

Wasn't there some "leaked" information that said that the PWT was coming back (in an expanded form) in XY? If that's the case, then Kusaka might hold off until Gen VI to cover the PWT to allow him to get to the XY chapter before getting too far behind.

Not according to the one leaker that has evidence enough for one to safely assum he's telling the truth. If you heard stuff that is not mentioned here and here, we can't be sure it's true until Pokémon confirms/dismisses it, or the person offers any proof that he's telling the truth (like, leaking non-Japanese names for officially revealed Pokémon before the names are officially announced).

Originally Posted by Flintoff Cypress

Now that's a simple case of bad writing. Kusaka could have handed that better, but didn't. While it would create a plot-hole to have people knowledgeable in other region's history, it's one that's small enough to be overlooked for the sake of the plot.

Except that is exactly how the games deal with these things. The games explicitly say Pichu was discovered by Utsugi (Elm) and GSC explicitly treats the Pokémon Egg as a new discovery. Even the official promo for XY treats Sylveon as newly discovered. And I could be wrong, but I think everyone seems to know about the legends of Johto in GSC despite said Pokémon being "recently discovered".

Originally Posted by Flintoff Cypress

The "two rivals" thing is from supposed "leaked" information. There's too much conjecture being thrown around based on these "leaks".

The guy leaked the English names of Gogoat and the other three. This by itself gives enough credibility to him. Anyone can guess things like "Fairy type", which is almost obvious basing from all the Sylveon type hype, but who would be able to get all the four names correctly if they were just trolling? He even lost his job because of the leaks (Full story here). There's no way a false leaker would get into trouble with the company from whom he/she is supposedly leaking info from, so it's almost impossible for him to be lying.

I know this could be rather stupid but what if they went with a mystical theme for one of the main charcters in the X and Y Manga like Yellow in the Yellow Chapter..

Meh, I don't think they'll do that again. It's a possibility but Kusaka kinda stopped seriously deviating from the games a few chapters ago (when I mean seriously, I mean like turning a completely normal forest from the games into a magical wonderland, evil gym leaders and Pokemon with powers that never existed in the games like Red's Eevee). And who knows, maybe N would be the next Yellow. He did come from a forest after all. Maybe that forest gives powers to children that is the ability to listen to Pokemon's voices, similar to Viridian Forest?