Thank you, my last post .. but seriously, I just want feedback on what people think about those group of receivers during the Championship years to now. Talent wise, we are better off now but it seems like those guys had something else...

Just talking about our championship years, yeah we have better receivers now; but that was also the case in 2007, 2008, 2009, and 2010._________________A sunny disposition is worth more than fortune. Young people should know that it can be cultivated; that the mind like the body can be moved from the shade into sunshine. Thine own reproach alone do fear

Just talking about our championship years, yeah we have better receivers now; but that was also the case in 2007, 2008, 2009, and 2010.

There's a way bigger gap between Hernandez and Stallworth than between 2007 Faulk and 2012 Woodhead.

Also, I think if you look at Moss/Watson vs. Gronkowski/Lloyd it's not really that big of a difference in terms of overall impact on both the offense and opposing defense. It's just a different type of impact.

I'd still give the edge to 2007 but I don't think it's really that big of a gap.

Watson did a lot of things on that team as a receiver that didn't really show up on the stat sheet. A good 6-7 long balls got the receiver open with Watson distracting the safety. They loved the send either the TE or WW on deep post patter while the outside receiver ran a straight go (see Moss long TD in Buffalo, long catch vs. Indy).

TBH Idk why we do not try similar things now._________________A sunny disposition is worth more than fortune. Young people should know that it can be cultivated; that the mind like the body can be moved from the shade into sunshine. Thine own reproach alone do fear

Watson did a lot of things on that team as a receiver that didn't really show up on the stat sheet. A good 6-7 long balls got the receiver open with Watson distracting the safety. They loved the send either the TE or WW on deep post patter while the outside receiver ran a straight go (see Moss long TD in Buffalo, long catch vs. Indy).

TBH Idk why we do not try similar things now.

I'm not going to check film or anything, but I just flat out don't believe that any defense EVER covered Ben Watson at the expense of Welker or Moss during 2007. If they did the DC should have been fired and/or committed.

If your safety decides to cover Watson over letting Randy friggin' Moss get open deep....cut him._________________

Watson did a lot of things on that team as a receiver that didn't really show up on the stat sheet. A good 6-7 long balls got the receiver open with Watson distracting the safety. They loved the send either the TE or WW on deep post patter while the outside receiver ran a straight go (see Moss long TD in Buffalo, long catch vs. Indy).

TBH Idk why we do not try similar things now.

I'm not going to check film or anything, but I just flat out don't believe that any defense EVER covered Ben Watson at the expense of Welker or Moss during 2007. If they did the DC should have been fired and/or committed.

If your safety decides to cover Watson over letting Randy friggin' Moss get open deep....cut him.

Watson did a lot of things on that team as a receiver that didn't really show up on the stat sheet. A good 6-7 long balls got the receiver open with Watson distracting the safety. They loved the send either the TE or WW on deep post patter while the outside receiver ran a straight go (see Moss long TD in Buffalo, long catch vs. Indy).

TBH Idk why we do not try similar things now.

I'm not going to check film or anything, but I just flat out don't believe that any defense EVER covered Ben Watson at the expense of Welker or Moss during 2007. If they did the DC should have been fired and/or committed.

If your safety decides to cover Watson over letting Randy friggin' Moss get open deep....cut him.

That play at 3.15, the safety didn't shade over Watson instead of Moss. You can see that Randy is doubled, he just beat the double team. I'm not great at reading these things at full speed....but it looks to me like they were playing zone and the deep safety is on Moss's side. Moss beats his corner (23) easily forcing the safety (41) to make the tackle...the second DB that was covering Watson comes in late. I don't see Watson having any bearing on that except he was on the field._________________

What was the reason for Givens not making it back? I always thought he tore an ACL.. something they regularly come back from.

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As he exploded out of his cut, the inner workings of his left knee had the equivalent of a three-car highway pileup. The anterior cruciate ligament was torn. So was the meniscus - medial and lateral. The femur behind the kneecap broke off and shattered, as the knee shifted in directions it wasn't designed to go.

Four doctors turned him away for surgery because of the severity of the injury, and by the time Givens traveled to Birmingham, Ala., to see noted orthopedic surgeon James Andrews, the words he was hearing were scary.

"He performed the surgery and basically told me that he hadn't seen such an extensive injury from a wide receiver," recalled Givens, who now has artificial bone plugs in his knee and leg. "He let me know that it was going to be very, very tough to come back from, and that it could be a process of three or four surgeries, or it just may take some time. That was very tough to hear."