It is wrecked, unfortunately. No idea what happened to the potato crew, but they are genuine retards I think. If you look closely you can see that the rear of the tank is pointing towards the camera.

I don’t know whether it is equipped with the laser warning system that turns the turret towards the laser source (only on T-90S or also on T-90A?), but it might be judging by the way the turret is pointing. It’s likely that the potato crew was facing the wrong way towards the threat.

Daniel Castro

Now they are dead… Russia sent plenty of t-62s to Syria lately, they should send unexperienced troops into these older tanks so they train how to properly maneuver in combat. Unfortunately this is war and there will be losses and mistakes, at least they died fighting for the right side.

Nico

There is not really much a tank crew can do when it is being attacked by missile. The tank crew can not see everything on the battlefield, since the vision sight is very limited from inside the tank. The enemies are not simply showing themselves (or they would be killed obviously) so they are hiding behind hills, bushes and in buildings and are very hard to detect. You are somehow expecting the tank crew to always know where all the enemies are, as if they had some superhuman abalities. But in reality it is much more difficult. The only way to effectively protect a modern MBT in today’s battlefield environment is with the use of APS (Active Protection System) with hard-kill system.

Trustin Judeau

The tanks was operated by the Shite militia which is very incompetent.Going in open space with tanks against ISIS fighters with AGTM is not the best idea.

Actually, it is the Shia civilian militia that saved the Syrian people. They held the line for two years before anyone else (Iran or Russian) stepped in to help more. Also, when Israel launched entire tank divisions and 127,000 troops and navy and air-force to conquer the Lebanese people, the 5,000 man civilian Shia militia stood firm in the face of onslaught, and destroyed more then 40 Israeli tanks and sank the Israeli capital naval ship and liberated the Christians and Muslims of Lebanon from the invading droves of endless Atheist.http://en.farsnews.com/Default.aspx

Trustin Judeau

The Shia militia I am talking is not Hezbollah.I am talking about Iraqi militia.Sorry but they didnt do shit.They were ordered to take on district in Aleppo and they couldnt do it for some time.Once the Palestnian brigade stepped in the district was taken.

charlesjannuzi

They didn’t get T-90s.

888mladen .

Waste of money to give such an expensive equipment into hands of people who have no training neither are capable of logical thinking. There is no feeling of ownership among fighters in Syrian pro government paramilitary. It seems like they couldn’t care the less.

Brad Isherwood

A previous T 90 lost in Syria found the Crew had not activated the defence suit. Another was lost due to mechanical issues. ..which the crew abandoned the rank.

I have posted Syrian Tank assault in Jobar….this forum Syper, ..other. Syrian tank units are world class. …Israel has tank crews which have never matched movement and targeting skill.

Syria is a tragic reality of letting your guard down in war. Like the poor citizens walking near Aleppo. ..and killed by ATGM. ..then the ambulance.

You can’t teach awareness…it is…or it isn’t. … : (

No one owes Syria ….anything… Yet I do agree with you….that Iran has not committed to the regional conflict as able. IRGC are not Iran’s military… Syria suffers from interlink of command and organization.

Hopefully Russian and Syrian TAC air decimate ISIS weapons arsenals and gathering points. It should be this with SAT coverage.

Assad needs to call up soldiers from the citizen. Russia can help with special forces and Forward TAC air controller. Iran…we are still waiting. Hezbollah….The Pride of the Lebanon. ….as good as Green Beret in Vietnam.

The conflict is turning against Empire. …the Saudi are fail. The Kurds are confused.. Der Ezzor Province is turned against ISIS. ….this may indeed be the turning point : )

PZIVJ1943

This is a turning point. A last gasp offensive by ISUS! They have given it their all at Deir Ezzor, but will fail.

Brad Isherwood

Letting ISIS gather under the push at Der Ezzor does give Russia SAT coverage the Real time hammer. Russia has limited resources vs 5000 + kooks and their US/Saudi weapons.

It’s slow game turn…but for the best… ISIS are stupid and gather weapons and command at common point, Get roasted. Russia/Syria appear to be Hunting them now from AL Hasakah airport . The ISIS tumbling out of Iraq and from Jordan are going to face high % Risk in transit.

Empire with British /Saudi from Jordan realize they have failed. Unless Trump is deep state puppet….things may turn quickly for Syria.

The Vietnamese beat the US, Australian. …and France….

It really does happen…

A People’s Army wins against the confused hired soldier of Empire : )

Ace

** The Vietnamese beat the US, Australian. …and France…. **

The US achieved a military victory. Democrats in the US Congress turned it into a surrender. See the book “Decent Interval.”

Brad Isherwood

How Experten the Russian intelligence …If They can erase ISIS weapons cache And clobber key command groups,…the losses may be more than Saudi/Qatar And Britian can manage . If Trump does not arm Takfiri as Obama did, The attrition rate favors Syria…as The 3 above have spent millions on a conflict for region they are losing. The recent Energy/Trade signatory between Iran and Syria is big….Iran Appears confident they will have the future return on investment and keep The Shia Crescent. Israel gonna kick chairs. ….Saudi see their scheme fail.

Jacek Wolski

Kurds attacking ISIS. Yes, they must be confused ?

Brad Isherwood

Not the point…

Kurds Are #@$$ing Confused**..from Accross *……Syria …to Iraq.

Do you dispute this?…

KURDS ARE…..their ….worst enemy.

Why reach and push for what is not in extant law?

There was a huge** Kurdistan. …..before Sykes Pico. That was long ago… No one pushes gambling chips at Monaco for that.

The Kurds are a brave people…..brave Like Hezbollah .. If Islam needs bravery stories…they got them in spades from Hezbollah to The Lions …of Der Ezzor! !.

The former Colonial reach into Syria fails, The US is not wanted in the ME. Egypt moves….Iran moves…and now Silk Road.

CIA is Vatican /Jesuit… The old angst against the Orthodox Church/Russia. Jews/Israel maneuver for position alongside the Giant, …who has in the past,… Smashed them to pieces ( Ancient Rome).

The Rise of Shia ..being some 15% of Islam threatens the Sunni. IMO….The Old Vendetta is still the Primacy. ..as it has been economic, banking and war

Kell

House of Saud is jewish, Jesuits are jewish converts or jews useful to the church Black Pope et al, Black Nobility of Venice are jewish families, Medicis etc – Rome began its fall after certain jews that survived the siege at Masada were bought to Rome and began spreading their intrigues – the cats out of the bag though and the harsh light of day falling upon their dark deeds isnt good for survival, long term.

John Whitehot

The tank of which crew did not activate the defence suite was not lost, it was recovered and put back into service.

sólyomszem

yeah, if leopard2, then the tank is shit. if t-90, then the crew is shit :DDD

objectivity on high level.

the t60 is also 30 years old concept. has no chance in the battle. until now the jihadists have only old weapons, like tows. if they would get newer developed ones, no tank had chance to survive.

the real situation is that, the antitank weapons are on higher level then the defence systems. it has real reason, why will russia less amount of armatas in comparison to former types.

PZIVJ1943

Looks like Sauds have launched plan B. Sending many ATGM’s into Syria. Just ask the Turks!

Houssem Faci

will the area that is burning is the back or side of the turret or somewhere in between . No tank can resist a powerful blow from there .

Hunter1324

It was a matter of time for a T-90 to be lost catastrophically… What I did not expect is that a few Leopard 2’s would be KK before any T-90’s did.

John Whitehot

the only catastrophe going on here is the one western and israeli propagandists are causing to themselves when commenting the syrian conflict.

John Whitehot

actually, no footage of any atgm hitting the tank is seen. Until then, the vid only shows a tank burning. It’s very suspicious as an atgm penetration would cause catastrophic explosions, don’t forget that the T-90 still has the ammunition stored the same way older T-72s had, it’s just much better protected. From the little that can be seen here this tank could have been abandoned by its crew, taken by ISIS and then burned, to show it on cameras. IF there was an atgm hit, we would be seeing it. When ragheads state something but fail to prove it with objective eveidence, always assume they are lying.

If the tank was hit at the rear the fire would had reached the ammo (making it explode) in the turret bustle, before reaching the inside of the turret as it appears in the vid.

Daniel Isaac Andreassen

not necessarily.

John Whitehot

if you can find a way to reach the turret fighting compartment, starting from the back hull, without passing through the turret bustle I’ll send you cookies.

Nico

The tank is already burning, so of course did the ammunition obviously explode you moron. Just because the turret didn’t fly off (which happens rarely) doesn’t mean the tank wasn’t destroyed. You are so stupid

John Whitehot

lololol – how can people be so ignorant. There is no sign of internal explosion you can say whatever you want but it does not change this fact by a bit. By your logic I could spill alcohol on the inside, light it with a lighter and then claim that “of course the ammunition did not explode you moron”. Moreover, turrets flying does not happen “rarely”, it happens when internal ammunition blows up. Even if it does not “fly”, you’re sure as hell that we’ll be seeing a tank fiercely browing up, not a couple of flames coming up an open hatch.

“You’re so stupid” You just stated that “since there are flames coming from an hatch there must had been an internal explosion”. I’ ll let anybody with at least a grain of intellectual honesty, or at least some technical knowledge, elaborate on who’s covering himself in ridicule here.

charlesjannuzi

I think a vehicle packed with explosives managed to blow a turret off a Turkish Leo2. And Hamas famously dug a hole and lined it with explosives (making a huge shaped charge in effect) and blew it up under an IDF Merk 4 and blew the turret of it.

John Whitehot

and how does this answer the (1 year old) comment I wrote?

charlesjannuzi

It’s just a comment for freak’s sake. But you said that turrets don’t infrequently fly off, and that they fly off due to the ammo under the turret blowing up (paraphrasing, if I understand what you wrote). So the comment I just made is to the point that there is more than one way to blow a turret off than penetrate the hull and get to the ammo under the turret. I’m not even sure where the Leo 2 and Merk 4 stow all their ammo. As for the point about the T-90 carousel ammo stowage being the same as T-72, I think what they did from even early on with the T-90 was make sure there was more of a layer separating the turret and the ammo carousel. And they went with individual wrapping of each ammo round (which is also how ammo is protected in the Merk 4). I think it’s telling that we haven’t seen any video footage of a T-90 blowing up like the T-72s, which by a lot of accounts, were actually less vulnerable than the T-80, which also had a carousel but the rounds were vertical.

charlesjannuzi

And you should stop using the term ‘ragheads’, It makes you look like a complete asshole.

John Whitehot

the f if i care

charlesjannuzi

No you comment to be an asshole. Join the millions.

John Whitehot

you are welcome to block me and then fuck off.

charlesjannuzi

No I love seeing how big an asshole you are with each and every post.

John Whitehot

you’re a malignant person who started discussing with me only to start flaming contests.

you’ve come to the point where your only aim is to prove me wrong, and resort to insults every time you fail.

I was respectful to you, and your only reaction was to call me names.

Derailing discussions won’t change the fact that your kind is aimlessly, hopelessly still. trying to tailor up some form of propaganda that can get into the heads of people like me.

sincerely, go fuck yourself.

now get which parts of my reply are ironic and which aren’t.

surely, i’ve wasted way too much of my precious time with your likes.

charlesjannuzi

Oh bullshit. Look at you splashing your prissy ass stuff all over the site and then getting indignant if someone calls you on it. Sure go fuck yourself and fuck off and die asshole.

John Whitehot

hawwww nooooooes, help please someone call the cops!!!

I will die laughing at your face and that of your patrons, while you will die like you lived, as a whore. bwhahahahahaha.

charlesjannuzi

As long as your’re dead, that would feel good.

charlesjannuzi

Yeah, fuck you you incoherent asshole.

charlesjannuzi

Everything you write is a fucking flame. Then you go back and change your answers anyway. What a stupid vainglorious asshole.

charlesjannuzi

No I want to keep telling you to fuck off until you do fuck off. Now fuck off.

charlesjannuzi

No you obviously comment because you are fucking asshole.

John Whitehot

i can’t honestly remember everything i said 1 year ago, even going cursorily through the discussion.

The point was that turrets “fly off: also in western tanks (which is proved by videos shown both here and elsewhere), and it was in reply to a certain construct by which it is a russian tanks only feature.

as for the rest, if you can find reliable links detailing where the ammo is stowed (on T-90, for T-72 is known) i’ll gladly look at them, but in any case, it seems one of those discussions that don’t make much sense as it involves details too fine on which little is known.

shows separate stowage of 4 rounds at least (Although it’s not clear what version of merkava this is).

Sealing the ammunition completely seems a rather difficult task, at least in tanks with manual loading. The shells need to be readily available, you can’t ask a crew to waste too much time unwrapping a round while you are fighting other tanks and a 1 second delay could cost you dearly. I think it’s a case of balancing risks and advantages – the round should be thermically sealed, to have more chance of not exploding, which seems near impossible.

On that matter though, I remember reading that some WW2 tank had its ammo immersed in a fluid (Water or some oil, cant remember) for this reason, but i’m not sure that the concept gathered any success, as tanks were exploding more or less like all the others, and it was a complex and costly measure.

charlesjannuzi

Why don’t you just realize you often don’t know what you are talking about?

chris chuba

Good points but does ISIS typically show ATGM hits when they release videos or only their aftermath? I know that the Houthis are very proud and will show the entire attack.

Also, both hatches are open and only the one on the left has a fire, would this imply that the crew did get out? I’ve never seen a T90 in person but I was under the impression that tank hatches are designed to be open from the inside if they are manned but I could be wrong. I have no military experience.

John Whitehot

My point is that since the start both ISIS and other moderates release videos and make claims related to them. Most of the times though, at least part of their claims is not supported by whatever appears in the videos. In addition, this particular video does not seem to suggest an ATGM hit, as it would had set off the ammunition. One possible explanation could be that there was no ammunition in the turret bustle but that would raise serious questions on the fact that the tank was engaged in combat – on the other side, it would suggest that ISIS removed the ammo (to employ it for IEDs or other uses) from an abandoned tank before setting it on fire. It’s not surprising at all, as most jihadist propaganda is directed to illiterates and analphabet parts of muslim population which they perceive as those who should enroll in their jihads and so on.

Nico

Bla Bla Bla you are just speculating and assuming unrealistic things. Just face it, this T-90 was destroyed. And this is not the first time a T-90 was destroyed in Syria, there was also another T-90 also being hit and destroyed by ATGM. Just search youtube and you will find the video. The T-90 is not invincible, so suck it up

John Whitehot

no really? let me guess, you’re butthurt because the turkish Leos are getting their asses handed over to them by ragheaded rabble? You’re right, there are no invincible tank – that does not change anything, especially the fact that in two comments and several lines of text you still have to make up a single point in support of your argument (which of course is the one ISIS expressed). Bla Bla are things like “you are just speculating and assuming unrealistic things, making up very cringy excuses. Just face it, this T-90 was destroyed either by ATGM or whatever”, exactly the way you express. Since you have nothing to counter the points I made in previous comments, it’s not surprising you just go about and rant.

“there was also another T-90 also being hit and destroyed by ATGM” lol, and also ten more turkish leopard-2s

SqubaSquid808

I know this is a couple months late but that does not matter. I stumbled upon this video and started reading the comments. The “argument” I was following irritated me to the point where I made this account just to say what I’m about to say. I am no tank expert but I agree with you John. Your points, (there are more than one so it’s plural, Nico), make sense. The ISIS scumbags love to post videos of them successfully hitting tanks with ATGMs. Successfully is the key word here. They never show their missed shots. Like John was saying, Nico, it’s all propaganda geared toward asshat extremists to make it seem better than it is. Also Nico, your argument is just shit. “No tank is invincible”…no shit, John even agreed with you there but you keep using that as a weak main point. After reading what John commented and seeing many videos of Syrian tanks being hit by ISIS ATGMs, his argument makes more sense. They ALWAYS show the tank being hit before shooting fire out of the top hatch. That way they can scream their favorite two word phrase over and over again. That being said, we don’t actually know exactly what happened. Given what is shown and what we know about ISIS’s tank kill videos, it’s quite obvious that this one is staged. John, I admire your dedication in destroying this asshat, which I feel you did very well. And to you Nico… you got destroyed. Reading your replies to John gave me a good laugh. I forgot how moronic people could be.

John Whitehot

thanks, I’m glad you concur with my points

Bob

Interesting point, the last time T-90 fell into militants hands it was due to electronic systems failure and the crew abandoned it. These things happen with complex computational systems – all systems subject to crashing. Along lines of your suggestion, is worth noting there is no smoke from the barrel, as generally seen with tank cook off, due to the intense internal gases/ pressures expanding in the turret.

John Whitehot

Actually, it was due to engine failure. You don’t need electronic systems to drive a tank back to your lines, you need a working engine and intact tracks.

Bob

Fair call – though, engine ignition is run from electronic systems.

John Whitehot

So the crew turned the engine off and could not start it again. It must had been Allah’s intervention. Next time my Peugeot does not start up I’ll know who to blame :D

testera

I posted here a link to some additional information (it might be legit), but it was marked as spam and whole post is gone. Let me try again: twitter.com/SyrianMilitary/status/823804485374013440

Lương Anh Chính

If i was IS rebels, i wouldn’t burn such a glorious trophy like a brand new T-90A. Just to remind you that the last time they captured a T-90 ( cast turret 1993 ver), they kept it intact.

John Whitehot

trophy? trophies got no use. If the tank had engine damage for example, the ragheads would consider more valuable to perform this pantomime. When a tank cannot drive by itself you need big trucks, time and effort to move them. ISIS would not risk this even if they had the right equipment, as such operation would be detected and they would be destroyed in airstrikes along with the tank. Even if by miracle they could salvage the tank without getting killed, they still would need to repair it, and they have no spares nor know-how (if it was a T-55 it would be different). No, ISIS did the only thing they could to exploit this situation – a propaganda show. But as usual, the only people they fool are retarded arabs, brainwashed westerners and hateful ukrainians.

Nico

There is also another video of another T-90A being hit and destroyed in Syria by an ATGM (just searhc youtube and you will find it). This is not the only and not the first time a T-90A in Syria is destroyed by ATGMs. And it will surely not be the last time. The tank is not invincible. An Active Protection System (APS) such as the trophy would help a lot, because it would protect the tank against missiles. To say that it “got no use” is stupid and incorrect. Trophy has been proven many times protecting the Merkava and intercepting many threats multiple missiles. Even IF tank had engine damage, which is very rare (what a stupid example btw) because engines usually don’t just malfunction without a reason, even then the tank could still be recovered and repaired and sent back to battle. If ISIS ever got their hands on a modern western tank (that is still working), they would definitely use it in combat, just like hundreds of captured T-55s. They would not care about being destroyed from aircraft, because they don’t care about death, in fact they want to die because it’s th only way to heaven and 72 virgins (in their belief) so they are not afraid of death anyway. The reason they don’t use it, is because it was destroyed by ATGM. YOu are just a very disillusioned and sad little guy who can’t accept reality.

John Whitehot

you’re really a stupid analphabet. Trophy as in taking trophies from the battlefield. Not as in “Israeli active protection system”. That was the meaning of both my comment and the previous poster one.

charlesjannuzi

More proof of your permanent obnoxious shithead status.

John Whitehot

to exercise jewish lawyery you need to be outside the psychiatric hospital. even if you had proof you aren’t able to reach the jury.

charlesjannuzi

Yeah whatever fuck off you imbecile.

Lotte

There is no such video where T-90 is being destroyed and exploding with no hope (with crew dying in a hell). But there is a video where it gets hit by a missile but that’s just it.

Marko Ivanišević

Why you repeat youself?

charlesjannuzi

I did the search and all I saw were T-72s with the Ukraine upgrade kit being destroyed. I did see one T-90 being hit and not destroyed. Do you have a link?

charlesjannuzi

Actually the ammo is not stored the same way.

John Whitehot

this is still a T-90A variant, you are talking about the T-90MS.

charlesjannuzi

I think I’m completely wrong now and wonder what I was thinking. The carousel feeds the auto-loader, and the turret bustle is actually external ammo storage. And yes, that would be the later versions of the T-90. But I think the way the ammo in the carousel is protected is different than the T-72, but perhaps later versions of the T-72 also have such protective arrangements. I think the basic of their thinking though has been protect all sides of the tank from penetration. The idea of a turret protecting stored ammo is actually a pretty good one. Also, I see the Houthis are shooting up Abrams by aiming right at the ammo bustle, which on that tank does connect to the inside of the turret.

John Whitehot

you aren’t completely wrong, but the way the ammunition is protected is irrelevant.

If a heat jet gets into the tank, that ammunition will explode under the turret and cause catastrophic damage.

With bustles in the turret, the damage to the tank is limited by the outward explosion of said ammo.

In any case, said bustles aren’t no assurance of survival of the tank – we’ve seen already several videos of Abramses being completely destroyed after one ATGM hit the turret precisely in the bustle.

The point is, that there is no such an advanced engineering able to predict all the events that take place on the battlefield and to solve every single problem related to those.

Main Battle Tanks are relatively vulnerable devices, their protection derives mainly from their tactical usage, and NOT from the technology or the design. If an engineer at General Dynamics finds a new way to protect Abramses, they will produce 500 of those, then deploy them, and then an anti-tank squad devises a way to overcome that new protection – there go the 500 new Abramses.

charlesjannuzi

That was my point asshole. Want to destroy an Abrams with an ATGM–hit it in its safety feature, its blowout bustle.

John Whitehot

then why the fuck you started going histerical on it, you miserable bag of toxic waste?

charlesjannuzi

Because you make no sense and jump all over me for making a comment that agrees with you. But since you change what you wrote, perhaps you don’t even know what you wrote. Now fuck off asshole.

charlesjannuzi

Because you are an incoherent pos asshole.

charlesjannuzi

And btw why the heck are you talking about a detachable bustle if the T-90A doesn’t have one?

John Whitehot

i didn’t ,you mistakenly did say that the tank in the vid had one, i correctly replied that the one in the vid is a t-90A, while only the t-90MS has a bustle.

but you asking this clearly shows that either you have gone into a stupor, or you were so much in distraught over the discussion that you forgot to take your haldol.

charlesjannuzi

To be honest, since you go back and change what you wrote, and yet most of what you write isn’t clear, I can’t really understand you. Now fuck off asshole.

charlesjannuzi

You are an incoherent dickhead. I never said that the tank in the vid had one. I asked if the T-90s in general had them. Besides asshole, you see a bustle on that tank? Or not. Since all you see is the front, asshole.

Ryan

People, please. Look closely. Notice that both hatches are open, but that energetic flames are only at one of the hatches. If this was an ammo fire, do you think that the fire chose to come out of one hatch and not the other? This is an ammo fire, yes, an ammo fire of the machine gun ammo box for the externally mounted AA gun.

Misha Bogdanov

They just threw molotov on it and crew escaped, you can clearly see both hatches are open but tank is burning on right side only and MG ammo is cooking off, there are no inside demages to the tank. If tank was destroyed then fire would come out of both hatches and not only one. Only visible demage this T-90 suffered is it`s 12.7mm machinegun being knocked out with it`s ammo burning. There would be at least smoke coming out of left hatch. Plus there are no flamable things inside T-90 except ammo that is protected inside of hull and fire would not come out on top since all Russian tanks have reinforced ammo storage and tank would blow up beneeth and still be operatable with only ammo missing.

chris chuba

We’ll know for sure if ISIS uses this tank in the field.

Kell

Yes Afghan militias should be getting T-62s and T-55s, simple and straightforward to use – T-90s should be for breakthrough/assault forces ie Tiger forces and Republican gaurd.

This tank is facing its back toward the camera actually. Most if not all ATGMs dated even to the early 1990s would penetrate that. Probably crew fault. Red on other site that the crew abandoned the tank after the 1st hit and after that another hit started the fire

charlesjannuzi

In various discussions online coming out of Russia, the claim is that this tank was abandoned and then burned up by ISIS for their propaganda video. That seems plausible seeing the video.