why is one better than the other

So here I am again with a thread on pertussis in my HB. Of course you have to advocates for vaccines and the ones against vaccines. What really gets to me is, why are the women who are against vaccines because of side effects, okay with epidurals, OTC meds, prescription meds, all of which carry some pretty harsh side effects themselves.

So here I am again with a thread on pertussis in my HB. Of course you have to advocates for vaccines and the ones against vaccines. What really gets to me is, why are the women who are against vaccines because of side effects, okay with epidurals, OTC meds, prescription meds, all of which carry some pretty harsh side effects themselves.

It just irks me because I've got whooping cough. It could have been prevented by a vaccine. I thought I was covered by the dtap that I got after my twins birth, but it only last two years. (I did not know that) but now because of this I cannot handle my daughter until I am in the clear, because doctor says if she gets it, it could kill her. I am a single mom. So yea it kind of hits home now when people are advising moms to not get the vaccine.

It just irks me because I've got whooping cough. It could have been prevented by a vaccine. I thought I was covered by the dtap that I got after my twins birth, but it only last two years. (I did not know that) but now because of this I cannot handle my daughter until I am in the clear, because doctor says if she gets it, it could kill her. I am a single mom. So yea it kind of hits home now when people are advising moms to not get the vaccine.

Oh, that is a good question. Think about it this way though, have you looked at the ingredients for some vaccines? This is from the CDC.Â http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/additives.htmÂ Common substances found in vaccines include:

AluminumÂ gels or salts of aluminum which are added as adjuvants to help the vaccine stimulate a better response to the vaccine. Adjuvants help promote an earlier, more potent response, and more persistent immune response to the vaccine.Â

AntibioticsÂ which are added to some vaccines to prevent the growth of germs (bacteria) during production and storage of the vaccine.

Egg proteinÂ is found in influenza and yellow fever vaccines, which are prepared using chicken eggs. Ordinarily, persons who are able to eat eggs or egg products safely can receive these vaccines.

FormaldehydeÂ is used to inactivate bacterial products for toxoid vaccines, (these are vaccines that use an inactive bacterial toxin to produce immunity.) It is also used to kill unwanted viruses and bacteria that might contaminate the vaccine during production.

Monosodium glutamateÂ (MSG) and 2-phenoxy-ethanol which are used as stabilizers in a few vaccines to help the vaccine remain unchanged when the vaccine is exposed to heat, light, acidity, or humidity.

ThimerosalÂ is a mercury-containing preservative that is added to vials of vaccine that contain more than one dose to prevent contamination and growth of potentially harmful bacteria.

THOSE are the reason why I'm against vaccinations. Those are found in most vaccines. And yes, they may be "small amounts" but many of those are poisonous to the body and some people are highly allergic to them. For the record, I'm also against the use of epidurals. I'm not against OTC or commonly used meds, when they don't carry scary ingredients like those, but I use them as rarely as possible.Â Vaccines are also have a fail rate of about 30% I believe. They don't guarantee your child won't catch whatever illness you think they are now protected from. Some of the things they vaccinate for aren't serious illnesses, chicken pox, for most is an inconvenience at best.The vaccination you're talking about, while it may be a good idea for some adults that will be around your child often to get it, even if they get the vaccination, they can still carry the virus around on their hands/person. So they may be protected, but can still pass it to your child. It'd be better just to ensure that those that will be touching your baby have proper hygiene which will be just as effective at keeping the virus off your children.Â

Oh, that is a good question. Think about it this way though, have you looked at the ingredients for some vaccines? This is from the CDC.Â http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/additives.htmÂ Common substances found in vaccines include:

AluminumÂ gels or salts of aluminum which are added as adjuvants to help the vaccine stimulate a better response to the vaccine. Adjuvants help promote an earlier, more potent response, and more persistent immune response to the vaccine.Â

AntibioticsÂ which are added to some vaccines to prevent the growth of germs (bacteria) during production and storage of the vaccine.

Egg proteinÂ is found in influenza and yellow fever vaccines, which are prepared using chicken eggs. Ordinarily, persons who are able to eat eggs or egg products safely can receive these vaccines.

FormaldehydeÂ is used to inactivate bacterial products for toxoid vaccines, (these are vaccines that use an inactive bacterial toxin to produce immunity.) It is also used to kill unwanted viruses and bacteria that might contaminate the vaccine during production.

Monosodium glutamateÂ (MSG) and 2-phenoxy-ethanol which are used as stabilizers in a few vaccines to help the vaccine remain unchanged when the vaccine is exposed to heat, light, acidity, or humidity.

ThimerosalÂ is a mercury-containing preservative that is added to vials of vaccine that contain more than one dose to prevent contamination and growth of potentially harmful bacteria.

THOSE are the reason why I'm against vaccinations. Those are found in most vaccines. And yes, they may be "small amounts" but many of those are poisonous to the body and some people are highly allergic to them. For the record, I'm also against the use of epidurals. I'm not against OTC or commonly used meds, when they don't carry scary ingredients like those, but I use them as rarely as possible.Â Vaccines are also have a fail rate of about 30% I believe. They don't guarantee your child won't catch whatever illness you think they are now protected from. Some of the things they vaccinate for aren't serious illnesses, chicken pox, for most is an inconvenience at best.The vaccination you're talking about, while it may be a good idea for some adults that will be around your child often to get it, even if they get the vaccination, they can still carry the virus around on their hands/person. So they may be protected, but can still pass it to your child. It'd be better just to ensure that those that will be touching your baby have proper hygiene which will be just as effective at keeping the virus off your children.Â

That may be the case for some, I for one have never been the sort to follow a fad. I'm choosing not to get most of the vaccinations because I've researched and find they are either a. pointless or b. the 'benefits' don't outweigh the ingredients in the vaccines that I'm uncomfortable putting into my children's bodies.Â

I suppose I fit in the "selective" group. Chicken pox vac won't be given unless our children don't get the illness as young children, by middle school, they'll get one or the other. I'm still deciding on others. Flu won't ever be given in our home, it's a pointless vaccination in my mind.Â

That may be the case for some, I for one have never been the sort to follow a fad. I'm choosing not to get most of the vaccinations because I've researched and find they are either a. pointless or b. the 'benefits' don't outweigh the ingredients in the vaccines that I'm uncomfortable putting into my children's bodies.Â

I suppose I fit in the "selective" group. Chicken pox vac won't be given unless our children don't get the illness as young children, by middle school, they'll get one or the other. I'm still deciding on others. Flu won't ever be given in our home, it's a pointless vaccination in my mind.Â

I'm against the flu as well, the one year I actually got the flu shot was the only year I've ever had the flu. I'm not a person who gets sick easily, so I was taken aback when the doctor said I had whooping cough. I've pulled muscles in my chest from coughing so roughly. It is horrible.

I'm against the flu as well, the one year I actually got the flu shot was the only year I've ever had the flu. I'm not a person who gets sick easily, so I was taken aback when the doctor said I had whooping cough. I've pulled muscles in my chest from coughing so roughly. It is horrible.

Chicken pox is a PITA for some yes, others it is more. I caught 3 times as a kid, 3rd time I got hospitalized it was so bad. But other than that this whooping cough is the sickest I have ever been. Besides the flu one year. I'm a Lysol and hand sanitizer freak. Even in public, if a stranger wants to touch my kid they spray themselves first. LOL. It just irks me that these women are so against vaccines, but not the other items. Yes OTC contains poisons as well as prescription drugs. I'm not saying for everyone to go out and get vaccinated, I just honestly want to know why some are okay with one thing but not the other.

Chicken pox is a PITA for some yes, others it is more. I caught 3 times as a kid, 3rd time I got hospitalized it was so bad. But other than that this whooping cough is the sickest I have ever been. Besides the flu one year. I'm a Lysol and hand sanitizer freak. Even in public, if a stranger wants to touch my kid they spray themselves first. LOL. It just irks me that these women are so against vaccines, but not the other items. Yes OTC contains poisons as well as prescription drugs. I'm not saying for everyone to go out and get vaccinated, I just honestly want to know why some are okay with one thing but not the other.

I don't get that, either. Personally, I'm against all of it. I don't take OTC meds, I don't seek (or take, half the time) prescribed meds, and I'm a homebirther, so no epi for me, either. I am in the process of eliminating harmful chemicals from my diet and environment for the same reasons (I say "in the process" because some things, like cars/gasoline we need at the moment, since our only income comes from my hubby's pizza delivery job). I think perhaps people don't look into other things or realize he harmful chemicals in them. But I agree with you - why pick on one but not all?

I don't get that, either. Personally, I'm against all of it. I don't take OTC meds, I don't seek (or take, half the time) prescribed meds, and I'm a homebirther, so no epi for me, either. I am in the process of eliminating harmful chemicals from my diet and environment for the same reasons (I say "in the process" because some things, like cars/gasoline we need at the moment, since our only income comes from my hubby's pizza delivery job). I think perhaps people don't look into other things or realize he harmful chemicals in them. But I agree with you - why pick on one but not all?

I agree with the bandwagon comments and people have no idea what is in the OTC medications they take. Young mothers today have never had to deal with having these illnesses themselves or watching siblings and friends become crippled or dying from them. It disgusts me to see an illness that almost took my fathers life (pertusis) coming back because a bunch of people who think they know it all because they looked it up on the Internet refuse to vaccinate. I'm a firm believer that is a parent refuses to vaccinate their child and that child gets one of these illnesses the parent should be charged with child neglect. If the child dies or becomes handicapped as a result the charge is child abuse and or homicide. As for those that don't immunize their children but they themselves get the epidural and take OTCs...maybe because one is going to the baby and one into their own body?? I don't know, just a guess.

I agree with the bandwagon comments and people have no idea what is in the OTC medications they take. Young mothers today have never had to deal with having these illnesses themselves or watching siblings and friends become crippled or dying from them. It disgusts me to see an illness that almost took my fathers life (pertusis) coming back because a bunch of people who think they know it all because they looked it up on the Internet refuse to vaccinate. I'm a firm believer that is a parent refuses to vaccinate their child and that child gets one of these illnesses the parent should be charged with child neglect. If the child dies or becomes handicapped as a result the charge is child abuse and or homicide. As for those that don't immunize their children but they themselves get the epidural and take OTCs...maybe because one is going to the baby and one into their own body?? I don't know, just a guess.

Same here! The only time I've ever gotten the flu was the one year I got the vaccination against it. Stupid vaccination.Â Wow, how bizarre. No offense =] I got it once, was out for maybe a week and went on with my life. Same with one of my sisters, my mom and my grandma. With my family history, it's not an illness I'm worried about. Do they know why you got it three times? At least it was all as a child though.. children typically come out fine from it.. it may be h3ll while they have it though. I know my sister was more miserable than I was, she had it for a week and a half maybe..she was also the one that got sick more often.

I'm agreeing that it doesn't make a ton of sense. Although, the only thing I can think of is the ingredients in an epi aren't overly harmful to the body..they make you loopy and kill brain cells, but so does holding your breath. At least not that I know of. I only know of the opiates in them which was enough to steer me away.Â

OTC, it really depends for me. I don't take them unless it's serious. Like when I got an upper respiratory infection, sinus infection and ear infection all at the same time. My temp was 105, they were going to hospitalize me. So I took them to get rid of all that then. If I have any infection like that and I have it for more than a week, I'll seek care and take the meds to get rid of it. I don't even take ibuprofen unless I can't deal with the pain. But since I've now learned hypnosis for birthing, that shouldn't be an issue anymore.Â

I try to avoid chemicals in food as much as I can. Right now we can't afford organic, but if it's on sale, I buy as much as I can. Some of them I don't worry about, you breathe in chemicals everyday, there's really nothing you can do about that. I have a general, if I can't pronounce it, I'm not eating it rule along with a small list of things I know are harmful sodium nitrate for example that we won't eat.Â

Sorry it's so long.Â

Same here! The only time I've ever gotten the flu was the one year I got the vaccination against it. Stupid vaccination.Â Wow, how bizarre. No offense =] I got it once, was out for maybe a week and went on with my life. Same with one of my sisters, my mom and my grandma. With my family history, it's not an illness I'm worried about. Do they know why you got it three times? At least it was all as a child though.. children typically come out fine from it.. it may be h3ll while they have it though. I know my sister was more miserable than I was, she had it for a week and a half maybe..she was also the one that got sick more often.

I'm agreeing that it doesn't make a ton of sense. Although, the only thing I can think of is the ingredients in an epi aren't overly harmful to the body..they make you loopy and kill brain cells, but so does holding your breath. At least not that I know of. I only know of the opiates in them which was enough to steer me away.Â

OTC, it really depends for me. I don't take them unless it's serious. Like when I got an upper respiratory infection, sinus infection and ear infection all at the same time. My temp was 105, they were going to hospitalize me. So I took them to get rid of all that then. If I have any infection like that and I have it for more than a week, I'll seek care and take the meds to get rid of it. I don't even take ibuprofen unless I can't deal with the pain. But since I've now learned hypnosis for birthing, that shouldn't be an issue anymore.Â

I try to avoid chemicals in food as much as I can. Right now we can't afford organic, but if it's on sale, I buy as much as I can. Some of them I don't worry about, you breathe in chemicals everyday, there's really nothing you can do about that. I have a general, if I can't pronounce it, I'm not eating it rule along with a small list of things I know are harmful sodium nitrate for example that we won't eat.Â

- only the flu vaccine currently contains any actual amount of thimerosal? btw, the amount of mercury in tuna is far more than in any shot, and the variety of mercury in tuna and other fish is harder/slower for the body to break down.

I wish the CDC site would word things in a way that is less prone to fearmongering, because while what they say is true, the things people infer from it are often completely untrue, which is unfortunate, when the whole truth is a relief!

- only the flu vaccine currently contains any actual amount of thimerosal? btw, the amount of mercury in tuna is far more than in any shot, and the variety of mercury in tuna and other fish is harder/slower for the body to break down.

I wish the CDC site would word things in a way that is less prone to fearmongering, because while what they say is true, the things people infer from it are often completely untrue, which is unfortunate, when the whole truth is a relief!

I wonder that also. I know the ingrediants in vaccines, and also know that"All routinely recommended pediatric vaccines manufactured for the U.S. market contain no thimerosal or only trace amounts."

There are so many products out there that contain those ingrediants that were listed, it make's no sence why someone would not get a vaccination that has trace amounts of "___" but can keep your child from getting a deadly illness, but they buy other products that contain the very ingrediants that scare them.

Some of the things that contain those ingrediants-a bunch of shampoos, soaps, bubble bath, and diaper wipes for babies-most of the things used to build your home-alot of cleaners for your home-tattoo inkthats just to name a few. My brother had chicken pox, as a baby and alomost died, he is now sterile from it. I have also had chicken pox more than once.

I wonder that also. I know the ingrediants in vaccines, and also know that"All routinely recommended pediatric vaccines manufactured for the U.S. market contain no thimerosal or only trace amounts."

There are so many products out there that contain those ingrediants that were listed, it make's no sence why someone would not get a vaccination that has trace amounts of "___" but can keep your child from getting a deadly illness, but they buy other products that contain the very ingrediants that scare them.

Some of the things that contain those ingrediants-a bunch of shampoos, soaps, bubble bath, and diaper wipes for babies-most of the things used to build your home-alot of cleaners for your home-tattoo inkthats just to name a few. My brother had chicken pox, as a baby and alomost died, he is now sterile from it. I have also had chicken pox more than once.

Why do you see chickenpox as not a serious illnesses, "chicken pox, for most is an inconvenience at best." did you know However, there can be very major problems from chickenpox including pneumonia and encephalitis and reactivation of the same herpes virus is responsible for shingles (zoster). Chickenpox is responsible for more deaths than measles (rubeola), mumps, whooping cough (pertussis) and H. flu (Haemophilus influenzae type B) meningitis combined. Contrary to what many people believe, chickenpox is by no means a mild disease.That sounds like more than a inconvenience.

Why do you see chickenpox as not a serious illnesses, "chicken pox, for most is an inconvenience at best." did you know However, there can be very major problems from chickenpox including pneumonia and encephalitis and reactivation of the same herpes virus is responsible for shingles (zoster). Chickenpox is responsible for more deaths than measles (rubeola), mumps, whooping cough (pertussis) and H. flu (Haemophilus influenzae type B) meningitis combined. Contrary to what many people believe, chickenpox is by no means a mild disease.That sounds like more than a inconvenience.

I think its the new 'fad'. I'm pro vaccination, and I don't understand why someone would not vaccinate their child at all. If the preservatives bother you, ask your doctor for the vaccinations without them.

I think its the new 'fad'. I'm pro vaccination, and I don't understand why someone would not vaccinate their child at all. If the preservatives bother you, ask your doctor for the vaccinations without them.

An epi can get to the baby. I had to sign a waiver in the hospital, releasing them from responsibility if anything happened to me and baby. It also warned me of the dangers taking an epi. It scared the bjeezers out of me. But they wouldn't let me opt for general. I can see that, but these women are also the same ones that are giving tylenol and mylicon drops to their babies.

An epi can get to the baby. I had to sign a waiver in the hospital, releasing them from responsibility if anything happened to me and baby. It also warned me of the dangers taking an epi. It scared the bjeezers out of me. But they wouldn't let me opt for general. I can see that, but these women are also the same ones that are giving tylenol and mylicon drops to their babies.

I was a freak case. I do know the third time was bad, I was hospitalized and left with these nasty scars all over my body. After having my kids I try to keep up on my shots. I just thought the pertussis shot lasted longer. I have to say that pertussis is not fun. I've broken two ribs from coughing so violent.

I was a freak case. I do know the third time was bad, I was hospitalized and left with these nasty scars all over my body. After having my kids I try to keep up on my shots. I just thought the pertussis shot lasted longer. I have to say that pertussis is not fun. I've broken two ribs from coughing so violent.

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