Valyooo (46.34)

Wikileaks = clowns

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Oh yeah, you wanna expose corruption? Best way to do that (besides rape) is to crash the websites of the 2 major credit card companies...theyre a bunch of f*$kin clowns. If you want to be a martyr, practice what you preach.

And I'm sure the Americans shouldn't have continued with their incessant behavior after the tea party. France should not have rebelled against their aristocracy. Germans were right to sit by and watch the Nazi's attempt to exterminate Jews.

How naive of me to think otherwise. We should all be very kind and nice to major corporations and the government.

That evil man, being accused of rape by a CIA agent, what a despicable person. And I'm sure it was Julian who personally hacked those poor billion dollar corporations who prey on the debts of the poor and NOT a group of people from 4chan.

Besides the disagreements you and I have had over Assange and US foreign policy, I still find it interesting to discuss issues with you.

So let me simply contend that you are barking up the wrong tree here. The groups responsible for what is happening today are a different set of people that I'm not sure you understand.

I want you to look up something called Project Chanology. I like to refer to these people as "The Internet Gods." You simply don't mess with The Internet Gods. These are the people taking down the Internet. (And yes, I also admire them, but for different reasons.) The governments of the world are completely powerless against The Internet Gods. They're upset and they are acting out.

This is the first time I have ever heard of Project Chanology, but I must say I like this group. In particualr, their fondness of using references from V for Vendetta, but in general their ability to over-ride, and therefore take control of mainstream information. A truly modern form of revolution. I should have paid more attention to computers years ago..

The underground mischief community on the Internet is probably unknown to 99% of Americans, but it's very real, very smart, and very pro-freedom (of information, at least.) If they are unleashed, watch out.

Do you think it is ok for some "Internet Gods" to have that kind of power without any responsibility. For all their faults, democratic governments, and US Govt. still qualifies as one, are at least answerable to their voters. For these guys to bring down the MC and Visa sites behind a shield of anonymity does not inspire confidence in their motive(s).

I actually do know about project chanology. I know they're most likely responsible for this. My main point wasn't that this is wikileaks fault, my point is that if you want to support a righteous organization, attacking companies that were simply trying to avoid negative publicity (also screwing lots of consumers) is the wrong way of doing it, which makes the wikileak supporters look bad.

Your original comment in no way insinuated that you did not think it was Julian's fault. If you want to point to the sentence or context of your original post which clarified that it was a group of people not associated with Assange I would be happy to look it over. To me it just looked like you were recklessly accusing him of doing it and at the same time spreading the rape accusation as if it were fact. You should look into the actual details of that accusation, who made, what happened to it original, and what's happening now. I think you might come to a different conclusion if you do. And no i don't feel sorry for billion dollar transnational corporations which bow down to political pressure and attempt to squash freedom of speech.

"my point is that if you want to support a righteous organization, attacking companies that were simply trying to avoid negative publicity (also screwing lots of consumers) is the wrong way of doing it, which makes the wikileak supporters look bad. "

I disagree entirely. Knowledge is power, and the distribution of such knowledge to the masses empowers them and allows for a restructuring, which in this case is over due. No consumers, i.e. card users, were inhibited in their use of plastic during these outages. So what consumer was afflicted by this?

Wikileaks is doing us all a huge favor in providing the truth that apparetly a lot of people, possibly you included, don't want to know anything about. I prefer to see with eyes wide open, not wide shut.

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