Suff Magazine has revealed the front cover of its August 2013 issue, and guess what it has on it, Sony's next-gen Playstation console "PS4" with a tagline "PS4 Bites Back" and "Sharper Gaming Teeth Make Xbox One Look Like a Meek Media PC".

OT: This is an incredibly bold magazine cover - reminds me of the Edge one from last week.

The media won't suffer MS antics anymore than us gamers...good job too. MS need to be hit in the pocket before they will change their ways and this is a strong message to them. Here's hoping it works and they buck their ideas up...

@ Sniper, yeah, under that hook too, but its a good life, I left out humour as well... people to serious about hardware and paintshop pictures of women, but married life is good... when the wife cannot think of what to get me anymore, I just leave gadget magazines laying around.... works! :)

@ Killrate, relax, it was a statement that asked for a response... take it easy.... I am sure Zeee was more interested in the polygons on the babe than the PS4... or at least I hope so!

I wish we get a whole new MS after this console nosedives (hopefully)completely. As they are MS is nothing but a parasite to this industry ever since x360 launched imo. They always give less than they take.

@Gman0174, Ready for coincidence time? I have a Great GF and even better I DO indeed get to make life I "started" the day PS4 was revealed now the "life I made" comes out Nov 18th....hopefully by then I'll have my PS4 already as well.

Yeah but do you think the Xbox One looks like a 'Meek Media PC' in comparison?

I don't think that headline is justifiable at all. The X1, albeit weaker of the two consoles, still is an extremely capable machine. Yes its previous policies and mandatory Kinect left a lot to be desired, but what can the PS4 do that the X1 can't?

I think what they are getting at is that Sony have sent some clear messages, but MS have not and it's making them look meek and apologetic.

Sony have made their aims clear: 1. We have made a games console 2. We have the best 1st party devs in the world 3. We embrace all developers, and in particular Indie devs 4. We are the champion of all gamers, and will defend the hardcore

In comparison MS can't seem to send out a clear message. How many 'clarifications of clarifications' have we seen.

MS have made it unclear: 1. We think DRM is the future, except, umm, we can't give a reason why. 2. We have the cloud, that does ermmm, something to turbo charge games, but we promise it's great 3. We love Indie devs, really, honestly, just don't listen to the top indie devs saying the opposite 4. We say hardware specs don't matter, except when we say they do matter 5. We have loads of games and are expanding 1st party studios, but err, yeah, umm, Ryse anyone? 6. Halo TV show anyone? We have The Spielbergs 7. It's rocket science level stuff 8. Halo 5 anyone? 9. Kinect 2.... It does, stuff, and is going to be better supported than Kinect 1, honest, but we have no games to prove it because Ryse is now controller only. 10. We have a clear strategy of integrating with existing cable boxes, and providing innovative ways of watching TV, just err, don't ask what we're delivering outside of the US.

I have no doubt in terms of hardware that multiplats will look similar, but MS have done a really bad job convincing anyone that XBox is a serious brand for gamers.

Where were you for the past 5 years? Half of this turn is brought on by MS themselves, is very recent. And Sonylistening to the devs and gamers brought the other half. Apparently you missed all the PS3 is teh doomed articles. So many that at one point every hottest article in the main stream at the top of the page was about Sony's imminent death.

Explode stuff up in to lots more particles than ever before it appears. At least that's what Sony's demos, Knack included, were at pains to show. If the XboxOne is also capable of it they weren't concentrating on showing it.

You are right the problem is the way MS is handling the siutaion - but these are the guys you are entrusting your expensive entertainment to for the next 7 years and to be honest they are making themselves out to look like complete bell-ends.

The only trace of direction they have points to casual, their track record of providing games throughout a consoles life cycle is abysmal, and the management team has no idea what they are doing - this is the situation.

nothing. both are going to be nearly the same when it comes to multiplats, just like last gen, that sell more and gather more attention to consumers. exclusives, both will have their advantages over the other.

@Septic: Technically speaking, there is nothing that either console can do that the other can't excluding peripherals. The difference is focus and implementation which makes the PS4 look like a gaming console compared to the Xbox One looking like a media PC.

For example, the Xbox One has dedicated 3GB of RAM for their media based OS' while the PS4 has dedicated 1GB of RAM for it's entire OS. When you have 5GB of RAM for gaming vs. 7GB of RAM, it's not hard to look at which one is designed for gaming first and which one isn't.

Then you have the huge focus placed on Smartglass.

So from a technical perspective they both can do what they both can do, but aren't focused that way.

- it can do 50% more TFLOPS (better graphics) - GPU can do computations (more CPU potential) - 8gb of unified GDDR5 RAM will give better textures, frame rates and faster loading. - developers can "code to the metal" giving even more power. - better social features - always recording game-play, no need for set up or "ordering" before hand. - instant sharing - play any game remotely on Vita - 3rd party games will run better - better design and more compact - larger number of 1st party studios bring much more exclusives and with variety. - no need for power brick - more games for launch - easy development and self-publishing will give the PS4 a bigger games library - many free games and discounts with PS+ - consumer trust - all for $100 less

had enough?

you can futilely downplay these points, but this why the PS4 is taking all the hype.

Both are x86 based machines, both have Blu-ray, both have sufficient ram at 8 gigs, both use a custom GPU by AMD. Essentially they are the same machine. The differences being form factor and choice of RAM. It is unclear how much different they will be in a real world environment. They both even have a paid online service too.

So what is different? Exclusives obviously. But not what you are looking for and kind of a moot point since it's all on personal preference. The one thing it will do the Xbox One won't is integration with the Vita, but it's not clear how much will be done. Same can be said of Microsoft's integration with smart glass.

Honestly the question should be, what can the XboxOne do that the PS4 can't? This one is kind of obvious with the inclusion of Kinect. The camera and mic included with every system gives you added features the PS4 doesn't. Voice commands and movement/gesture controls are one thing. The HDMI input and integration with your cable provider is another. Being connected to all your friends at all times while the tv is on is another. The Xbox One is a "connected" console that embraces social gaming and media.

I guess the biggest thing the PS4 does is offer less in the box. Playstation fans call this choice and label it as "freedom". They aren't being "forced" to have more features. They are being forced to pay to play online though. That must be the karma I was reading about up above.

** All this makes the X1 a meek media pc? Hold on, didn't developers like Kojima and others say there was no notable difference?

- developers can "code to the metal" giving even more power.

** Right...so you're basically reguritating your previous point and then making things up here. Should I take your word over Kojima's?

- better social features ** How?

- always recording game-play, no need for set up or "ordering" before hand. ** And how do you know the X1 doesn't do this? Last I read, the PS4 was supposedly recording around 3 minutes backlog. Where are your links?

- instant sharing ** What? Why is this not possible on X1??

- play any game remotely on Vita **Okay- that's good. - 3rd party games will run better **Right okay - better design and more compact ** I thought N4G said it didn't matter what the box looked like after the Feb reveal remember? But okay...this is hardly a big point is it.

- larger number of 1st party studios bring much more exclusives and with variety. **Hmm so MS investing $1 billion means nothing to you I guess. You'll also downplay the launch line-up of the X1 no doubt.

- no need fore power brick ** Okay...this is a big point?

- more games for launch **Quality over quantity. Titanfall may not be launch but its the best rated E3 game and is coming out on the X1 first.

- easy development and self-publishing will give the PS4 a bigger games library - many free games and discounts with PS+ - all for $100 less - consumer trust **ALL of the above irrelevant to question of how the PS4 looks like a 'Meed Media PC'

I'm sorry but your response was poor.

The answer clearly lies in the way MS bodged things up in the manner in which they handled things. The console itself however is impressive. Do note that I haven't mentioned the things the X1 can.

1. The PS4 does indeed have greater hardware. It's hardware more focused on gaming rather than media. The resulting graphics will depend on the developer, but the potential will be greater on the PS4. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder but I believe the PS4 has clearer and already shown better graphics in their first batch of games than the X1 has.

2.Microsoft will not be able to catch up with Sony in these endeavors: 1st party investment, indie support, Playstation+. They may come along and try to copy Sony, but Sony is already leagues ahead.

3. The X1 will not sell around the world like the PS4 will. The pre-orders around in different regions show that the initial race will only be closer in the US. This will and always has meant more support will go to the most relevant console.

4. The PS4 has, if you will, the "trust" of the hardcore gaming community. The X1, if you will can't get that back.

5.The PS4 will always be better bang for your buck. Always.

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P.S. People act like the PS4 and X1 is two companies starting from the same starting block. This is very far from the truth. Sony is starting from a position of reaching its stride from this gen. All of the positive things surrounding it began in the latter part of this gen. It's going to be very hard for Microsoft to catch up and 2013 is showing that clearly.

Well 4 one it has way better 1rst party games and games that can't be done on it unless downgrade 4 x1. 2 ps plus is way better now then live 3rd it has free 2 play games that one of them planet side 2 I'm sure cant be done on x1. 4th it's more future proof console with better specks wich means we will c lots of features that r only on ps4. And last the price u would be a fool to buy a weaker system 4 more money then a better console 4 less.

B/C through cloud service? You and I have much different definitions of backward compatability. Buying games again as a download is hardly incentive to buy a PS4. Playing my PS3 games on my PS4 would be nice. If you are saying the PS4 will recognize my PS3 games and download them for free, I'm all over it.

The amount of ram being used by the PS4 vs the XboxOne is an interesting debate. I see some say that having less for the OS is better. I'm not sure how being able to do less in the background is more. Both consoles are watered down PC's by design. Battlefield 3 as an example has recommended specs of 4 gigs of ram and 1 gig on the video card. http://bf3blog.com/battlefi...

Both current consoles also played the game with much much less. If my PC with 16gigs of ram on the mb and 2 gigs of ram on the videocard plays the same game, what's the point of all the extra cash I dumped? The difference is in the settings. I can play the game maxed and still have insane framerates while a "lesser" system may look the same, but have a frame rate drop. The PS4 and XboxOne should look identical with a possible difference in frame rates if the same formula runs true.

An interesting thing to see will be what the consoles can also do while gaming and how it affects performance. I bought 16 gigs of ram since I also use my PC as a media center. Any number of devices can access my media content while I play without taking a hit on performance. With 3 gigs of ram being used for OS on the Xbox, it would make sense that it has more capability while gaming. The PS4 with 1/3 the ram allocated will have to choose what it does and when.

What does this mean for gaming? Consoles have always done more with less compared to PC's. If a current PC game utilizes 5 gigs for gaming when they have access to much more, why would the PS4 benefit from the additional ram? Third parties developing for PC, XboxOne and the PS4 aren't going to make games any different and there is no business model that rewards developers that spend more money making games. The PS3 with it's blu-ray drive had the potential to make games 2-3 times longer than DVD based games or atleast with 2-3 times as many textures.

It didn't happen. Having potential isn't the same as actually having something. The PS4 with it's 2 more gigs of ram dedicated to games doesn't necessarily mean it will use it. I would love to see it happen, but history has shown having the ability to do something doesn't make it happen.

We will see later this year when both consoles launch and we actually play the games and use the services.

the xbox 1 does a hell of alot more then the ps4 if u ask me.. the biggest game in the industry whether we like it or not is cod an where do cod players play? ill answer on xbox live so that bein said xbox 1 wont nosedive gout outta buisness... the fact u can be on skype will playin a game at the same time jus gives gamers more time to play before u had to stop playin now u dont... do u really need this feature no but why not its gonna be sweet for sure....ull be streaming on xbox 1 to twicth tv where do all gamers go twitch tv not uplay the whole tv crap , the kinect crap i mean overall besides specs id say xbox offers more an bein there upgrading xbox live which allready shits all over psn can u imagine playin on dedictaed servers another thing ps wont have.. i dunno why so many people like playstation more then xbox but thats there choice i dont see a comparision yea sony is a better hardware developer an there system all seems stronger but how did that help the ps3?

to each there own ill have both but unless psn is upgraded drastically ill be on xbox most of the time jus like last gen

There's nothing wrong me with kid, he got a Well Said bubble. Look at the comment. See it? Do you get it now or should I go slower for you?

"And you moved the goalposts because, he responded to your question only for you to say along the lines, "oh I didn't mean that question, I meant another one", lmao lame... "

How old are you kid? I explained it to you already, I broke down his every reply and his final set of statements didn't even refer to the console itself. So he digresses and you criticise me of changing goal posts?

"And the standards are quite low on this site, when people don't know the difference between the words 'quite' and 'quiet' pmsl! ;P "

Wow, so you're going to call me out for an auto correct error? How desperate are you? I'm willing to bet I'm far more educated than you. Want to place a wager?

"What about you raging at him for something he never even said? Re ‘meek media PC’?! Yours was a foaming rant, nothing more.

Finally, you gave me a lecture on 'opinions' a while ago and how everyone’s' is relevant; perhaps some self-reflection is in order for you, little man..."

Ha! Feeling brave behind that keyboard are we? You need more than a lecture judging by your complete inability to comprehend anything I say. Carry on being as clueless as you are.

Are you a politician? You should be; you talk a lot, without making any notable contribution. I’ll give you one thing; what you lack in debate, you make up for in circumvention.

How old am I? What judgement would you apply if you knew the answer to this? Would it make you feel good if you were older? Younger? I’m intrigued; indulge me with your rationale. Smh

“Auto-correct error”. You realise that in order to be auto-corrected, you had to have made an error yourself, don’t you? That’s how it works. And to make it worse, you accepted the proposed adjustment, thus making a second error. That’s what rage will do. And yet, you insinuate I’m a keyboard warrior! So yeah, I’ll call you out. Lol at you…

And as for feeling brave, I always do. Why shouldn’t I? You want to willy-wave, but you picked the wrong guy and just about every level - body, mind, money, success all very good this end thanks, but sure, I’ll concede I have a weakness...I don’t suffer fools, hence our little chat.

Yep... at this moment the PS4 is the better deal. Microsoft really needs a cheaper version of the X1 without Kinect to compete. If they really wanted to compete, they could release a X1 without Kinect at 350$.

Who said it was? But articles in magazines like this have more impact than articles in "serious tech magazines". The mainstream consumer is far more likely to read Stuff and other media of that kind than they are to read any real tech magazine.

And the people who read such magazines are more likely to be influenced by what they read than would us jaded hard core techies.

I think mainstream will be picking up MAXIM or FHM over STUFF... Mainstream never get influenced by magazines either. Only technofiles will even read the article... mainstream see COD, buy machine... thats it... simple...

SniperControl...you're married? And you made a complete fanboy comment like that? Seriously, no adult should be rooting for one console to dominate...not one that understands how competition benefits price and innovation anyway.

I will guarantee 100% that there are brands out there that you will not touch due to bad past experiences or just brand loyalties. It is just like Samsung Vs iphone or BMW Vs Audi. It is the same with Sony Vs MS(or even Nintento to an extent). I have always liked my Sony stuff from when I was a little lad. Sony has bought me years of happiness through thier products, be it with Walkmans, MD players and consoles. They have always and will always have a family vibe to them. In all the years of buying Sony, only one thing has gone faulty on me. I still have My PS1, PS2 and PS3, all working fine apart from the PS3 fans being loud. On the other hand, I just see MS as a power hungry, greedy, monopolizing conglomerate just out to screw everyone over. There new windows OS is just awful and buggy as hell, but I have no choice but to use it as other OS are just as bad. I have had 3 X360's, 2 RROD on me, the second one after 4 months, MS had the gaul to replace it with a refurbished one, I complained about it, they said tough shit buddy. The 3rd one I won in a raffle and sold it after a week. So you'll excuse me if I am a Sony fanboy, it is my goddamn right to be one. I have no problem with the X1, it is a powerful console with amazing features, my problem lies with MS themselves.

This isn't media spin or a conspiracy like some biased people claim. Every major gaming and tech magazine and website is praising the PS4 because the system is impressive and deserves all the positive praise it has been receiving. This isn't a knock against MS or the Xbox One. A lot of people are just simply more impressed with the PS4. It is what it is. Either way, congrats to Sony for continuing the positive momentum leading up to a successful launch.

At the moment the XBO looks like it has quantity, but the PS4 has quality. I believe MS said they had 18 exclusives for year 1 and Sony said they had 20 - so there's a lot of missing information right now from both sides.

Sony have Gamescom and TGS to flesh out their launch line up - and I don't think MS are attending either of those events.

variety is always a good thing, so I'm not knocking MS for showing a lot of interesting stuff - but I know (from experience of PS1, 2 and 3) that Sony will likely deliver - they've not yet shown anything from most of their 1st party studios.