<quoted text> That sound like a lot of your feelings. None of it is back up with empirical data. You can't get welfare without working. Unless you have a disability. Focusing on the poor will never fix our problems. Your rant is just rhetorical vitriol.

focusing on the poor will fix our problem! because it is the main problem! Why are they poor? What is society doing wrong? How can we fix it?

<quoted text>I'm not "getting over" anything you cretin. We have more coal than we do oil in the U.S., hundreds of years, the tech is there for clean coal plants already in place. So you support all these families here losing their financial independence/jobs and also the right to defend themselves? To just "get over it" and suckle at King Obama's teet while he bankrupts and ruins the country? WE can tell who you voted for You're a complete moron and don't deserve to call yourself an American, let alone a West Virginian. It's cowardly "progressives" like you who need to move to North Korea then re-evaluate the tripe you just let drool out of your mouth.

i don't think anyone supports families losing jobs or being driven into poverty. people are however concerned about global warming and all of the negative environmental effects it is having on us. Coal is not very clean lol

Our community is riddled with enough poverty, what would it be like if we lost all of the coal mining jobs in Southern WV? We need to find another means of production FAST! We need financial independence from the coal companies. If you want to keep coal around, we should at least take it and make our own $$$ let's get rich!!

<quoted text> But "West Virginia has more problems than just a ‘war on coal,'" he said. "It's about the physical properties of the coal that's left. The reserves are being depleted, and anybody that's spent any time looking at coal properties and reserves cannot tell you otherwise with a straight face."Remaining southern West Virginia coal beds are thin, he said, meaning more rock has to be mined to get the coal — decreasing productivity and increasing cost.More beds are split, with partings, he said, also decreasing productivity and increasing cost. Reserves are in relatively small, scattered blocks, in rugged terrain where it's difficult to achieve the efficiencies of a single mining complex where everything feeds into the same preparation plant."There's a lot of inherent, basically physical, attributes of the coal reserves that remain in southern West Virginia that cause these problems," Staggs said after speaking at a Platts coal conference.Steam coal, used to produce electricity, also has been affected by competition from recently and persistently cheap natural gas, he said — but he doesn't believe higher natural gas prices and a return of the market for steam coal will help the coal industry in this part of the country."Southern West Virginia simply has its own set of problems having to do with the nature of its coal deposits," he said. "All these other things are just layered on top of that."Stagg decried the use of "war on coal" rhetoric for political gain."What bothers me, in West Virginia, is this jumping on the bandwagon that ‘We will help stop the war on coal,' which gives the population the false impression that if we could just change the administration or rein in the EPA, we could bring our industry back," he said."It'll never come back like it was," he said. "And people don't make good decisions if they think it will — whether it's politicians, or legislators, or business people, or the average man or woman on the street. If I'm a coal miner in Boone County, I might think I'm going to ride this out — take my savings, hunker down like I've done before, like my daddy did before, until it comes back. That's not a good decision."It's not about Democrats or Republicans, Obama or not Obama, he said."There are things that are. This is the way it is."- http://www.statejournal.com/story/19624223/ex...

this is a very big problem for the coal fields. They are gonna freak out when they wake up.

<quoted text> I didn't vote for Obama. I voted for the only true liberal candidate Ms. Jill Stein of the Green Party. I hope you read my previous post regarding coal and its decline. It is dirty. We have terrible air quality. We will have to transition off of coal eventually. What it gets replaced with is the issue. If we don't take control over our own future we are going to continue to be raped by the coal and natural gas industries. In 300 years what will this place be? You aren't thinking about the future generations. You are not the one that decides who is American. I am a Native American, so why don't you stop the name calling. Maybe you should stop demonizing the other side and have a meaningful discussion.

<quoted text> that's not true, but let's say it is. An ATV and a baseball bat aren't made to kill people. Flawed logic

It isnt true? Really? Guns are not made to kill people, millions of guns never kill anyone. A gun is comparable to a baseball bat for sure. Both can be used to kill someone, but doesnt mean that is what they were "made" for. And if the real goal is to save lives than the ATV comparison is also accurate. Far more people are killed each year on ATV's than killed by "assault" weapons. Certainly banning fast food would save MANY lives. I think you dont want to admit the truth so you say the logic is flawed. The truth is you just want to take away other peoples rights(guns) because it isnt a right you personally care about. Slippery slope my friend. Maybe you should move to NY and then you can be told what you can own and how big of soft drink you are allowed to purchase.

<quoted text>It isnt true? Really? Guns are not made to kill people, millions of guns never kill anyone. A gun is comparable to a baseball bat for sure. Both can be used to kill someone, but doesnt mean that is what they were "made" for. And if the real goal is to save lives than the ATV comparison is also accurate. Far more people are killed each year on ATV's than killed by "assault" weapons. Certainly banning fast food would save MANY lives. I think you dont want to admit the truth so you say the logic is flawed. The truth is you just want to take away other peoples rights(guns) because it isnt a right you personally care about. Slippery slope my friend. Maybe you should move to NY and then you can be told what you can own and how big of soft drink you are allowed to purchase.

Why even try to have a conversation with you? You obviously don't use true logic. You can't see that a baseball bat is used to play baseball and a gun is used to kill things or practice killing things. You little peckered Republicans just hold on to your big black guns aka your penis.

<quoted text>It isnt true? Really? Guns are not made to kill people, millions of guns never kill anyone. A gun is comparable to a baseball bat for sure. Both can be used to kill someone, but doesnt mean that is what they were "made" for. And if the real goal is to save lives than the ATV comparison is also accurate. Far more people are killed each year on ATV's than killed by "assault" weapons. Certainly banning fast food would save MANY lives. I think you dont want to admit the truth so you say the logic is flawed. The truth is you just want to take away other peoples rights(guns) because it isnt a right you personally care about. Slippery slope my friend. Maybe you should move to NY and then you can be told what you can own and how big of soft drink you are allowed to purchase.

<quoted text>It isnt true? Really? Guns are not made to kill people, millions of guns never kill anyone. A gun is comparable to a baseball bat for sure. Both can be used to kill someone, but doesnt mean that is what they were "made" for. And if the real goal is to save lives than the ATV comparison is also accurate. Far more people are killed each year on ATV's than killed by "assault" weapons. Certainly banning fast food would save MANY lives. I think you dont want to admit the truth so you say the logic is flawed. The truth is you just want to take away other peoples rights(guns) because it isnt a right you personally care about. Slippery slope my friend. Maybe you should move to NY and then you can be told what you can own and how big of soft drink you are allowed to purchase.

lol go tell all of this to a victim of war. and banning fast food could save millions of lives. We don't have any rights to take away.

<quoted text> Why even try to have a conversation with you? You obviously don't use true logic. You can't see that a baseball bat is used to play baseball and a gun is used to kill things or practice killing things. You little peckered Republicans just hold on to your big black guns aka your penis.

I am a democrat ya dumba$$. You simply are illogical. Millions of people use guns for things other than killing or practicing killing. They shoot for fun, competition, etc. SOme people like playing baseball, I like shooting guns. You are the kinda person who only cares about YOUR rights. You are a disgrace to the principles of the USA.

First they came for the guns, and I didn't speak out because I personally wasn't a gun enthusiast.

Then they came for the large soft drinks, and I didn't speak out because I personally dont like soda.

Then they came for cigarettes, and I didn't speak out because I personally dont smoke.

Then they came for a right/freedom I do personally want, and there was no one left to speak for me.

First they came for the socialists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

<quoted text>I am a democrat ya dumba$$. You simply are illogical. Millions of people use guns for things other than killing or practicing killing. They shoot for fun, competition, etc. SOme people like playing baseball, I like shooting guns. You are the kinda person who only cares about YOUR rights. You are a disgrace to the principles of the USA.First they came for the guns,and I didn't speak out because I personally wasn't a gunenthusiast.Then they came for the large soft drinks,and I didn't speak out because I personally dont like soda.Then they came for cigarettes,and I didn't speak out because I personally dont smoke.Then they came for a right/freedom I do personally want,and there was no one left to speak for me.First they came for the socialists,and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.Then they came for the trade unionists,and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.Then they came for the Jews,and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.Then they came for me,and there was no one left to speak for me.

Those kids that were killed had a right to live life that was taken from them. Maybe we should all suffer a little bit. And anytime you train on a weapon, no matter what your target is, it is essentially practice should you ever need to shoot anyone. Right? And I love how Republicans think they own "American". I am actually concerned with the lives of our fellow citizens, and you are concerned about keeping an assault rifle. I think I am a better American than you could ever dream of being.

<quoted text> Those kids that were killed had a right to live life that was taken from them. Maybe we should all suffer a little bit. And anytime you train on a weapon, no matter what your target is, it is essentially practice should you ever need to shoot anyone. Right? And I love how Republicans think they own "American". I am actually concerned with the lives of our fellow citizens, and you are concerned about keeping an assault rifle. I think I am a better American than you could ever dream of being.

I am concerned about keeping my country free and protecting rights, you know the rights that thousands of Americans have died to protect! Those that would trade liberty for temporary security deserve NEITHER!~Ben Franklin. If you are so concerned about your fellow citizens, why not ban 4 wheelers? Many people are killed every year on them, including many children. Where I live I know of many people killed and injured from ATV,s. I have never heard of anyone being killed by an assault rifle. By not protecting all peoples rights equally you are being very un-American. It shouldnt matter if you like guns or not, it is a Constitutional right and your duty to protect.

<quoted text>I am concerned about keeping my country free and protecting rights, you know the rights that thousands of Americans have died to protect! Those that would trade liberty for temporary security deserve NEITHER!~Ben Franklin.If you are so concerned about your fellow citizens, why not ban 4 wheelers? Many people are killed every year on them, including many children. Where I live I know of many people killed and injured from ATV,s. I have never heard of anyone being killed by an assault rifle. By not protecting all peoples rights equally you are being very un-American. It shouldnt matter if you like guns or not, it is a Constitutional right and your duty to protect.

. I'm sorry do we not have regulations on ATVs? Do we not regulate cars, and prescription drugs? Why would an assault weapons ban infringe on your rights anymore than not being able to own grenade launchers or bombs? It's a very serious issue that needs addressed by those of us with an IQ over 100. You love guns more than you care about murdered children. You want to throw up your hands and do nothing. We'll see what happens. Hopefully the dens in this country grow a pair.

The new bill bans rifles and hand guns too. It's not about citizens safety, it's about government gaining more control.The ignorant sheep don't care about their rights, they just want the government to be their daddy and tell them what to eat, what to drink and what toys to play with.

No one suggests banning handguns. You call me ignorant then turn around and tell lies. You are incapable of thoughtful debate.

The new bill bans rifles and hand guns too. It's not about citizens safety, it's about government gaining more control.The ignorant sheep don't care about their rights, they just want the government to be their daddy and tell them what to eat, what to drink and what toys to play with.

Jay is co-sponsoring the gun ban bill and has voted for the bills regulating coal production ect, so has Joe despite what he says. Anyone can buy a NRA membership, his "I'm a NRA member" is a political stunt and that's all. The 2nd Amendment is not about hunting nor is the word even mentioned in it. Look at his meeting with Keith Morgan of the WVCDL, it will tell you exactly where Manchin stands. You can look up how they voted on what bills for yourself at the congress website. I'm not just spouting empty lies here. It's all there if you take the time to look.

<quoted text> No one suggests banning handguns. You call me ignorant then turn around and tell lies. You are incapable of thoughtful debate.

The new bill does, if it accepts over ten rounds it's more than likely on the list. Along with most shotguns. They went on a tizzy yesterday on CSPAN how now most semi-auto's are pretty much fully automatic weapons. The amount of lies, people not having any idea what they are even talking about, Feinstein screaming how stocks make guns more dangerous for some reason, and how the last AWB was "SUCCESS" even though we had Colombine and the North Hollywood shootout during it and crime rose until it ended. After the last one ran out crime dropped and on average long gun murder is a ghastly .44%. Point 44, not even 1 percent of all crime nationally by the FBI's own statistics. It's a complete attempt to trick the average citizen into thing any semi-auto is a "machine gun" and crime is out of control when we are at a 47 year low. In Chicago where Rahm Emannuel banned guns it rose 17% and there were 500 murders last year, a Sandy Hook number of murders by guns every month in a city that banned them. Take the time to actually read it, it's out there and co-sponsored by none other than Jay Rockefeller. It's not about safety at all. It's been proven anytime they do ban guns it only raises crime by double and leaves regular citizens defenseless.

<quoted text>The new bill does, if it accepts over ten rounds it's more than likely on the list. Along with most shotguns. They went on a tizzy yesterday on CSPAN how now most semi-auto's are pretty much fully automatic weapons. The amount of lies, people not having any idea what they are even talking about, Feinstein screaming how stocks make guns more dangerous for some reason, and how the last AWB was "SUCCESS" even though we had Colombine and the North Hollywood shootout during it and crime rose until it ended. After the last one ran out crime dropped and on average long gun murder is a ghastly .44%. Point 44, not even 1 percent of all crime nationally by the FBI's own statistics. It's a complete attempt to trick the average citizen into thing any semi-auto is a "machine gun" and crime is out of control when we are at a 47 year low. In Chicago where Rahm Emannuel banned guns it rose 17% and there were 500 murders last year, a Sandy Hook number of murders by guns every month in a city that banned them. Take the time to actually read it, it's out there and co-sponsored by none other than Jay Rockefeller. It's not about safety at all. It's been proven anytime they do ban guns it only raises crime by double and leaves regular citizens defenseless.

There is no bill to ban handguns that is a lie. All of your other facts, first of all, should have sources cited. Did you know that half of all mass murders in this country have been committed after the assault weapons ban? http://www.businessinsider.com/12-deadliest-m... You also were talking about why we have a second amendment. The reason was to protect white land owners from a slave uprising. It wasn't that the founding fathers thought one day you wouldn't like the president and you should be able to shoot him. It wasn't for you crazy fools to overthrow the new democracy they had just created. You are arguing about owning assault weapons and high capacity clips. You don't need those things for self defense.

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