Hypothetically, imagine a war between Brigham Young University and the University of Utah. Picture over 30,000 students on either side, plus their families of over a hundred thousand each. The goal? Kill every opponent from the most feeble adult to the smallest baby.

Yes, that is far-out since these universities have nothing to do with such barbarianism. Yet, many people believe a similar story from the Book of Mormon, being the greatest war in the history of our hemisphere. The Jaredites split into warring factions as two armies fought to extinction in New York State between 600-300 BC. One army had two million men, plus women and children, making it at least four million people (Ether 15:2). The other side was its equal. So a mere 260,000 at BYU is nothing in comparison to an excess of eight million on the little hill Cumorah. Utah has less than three million people. Eight million could fill the LA basin. Or imagine the complete population of NYC on the campus of BYU. You couldnt breathe, let alone fight! If the other great cities of New York State converged upon Cumorah, they would include Buffalo 270,240, Rochester 207,294, Yonkers 201,066, Syracuse 138,560, Albany 93,836, Cheektowaga 77,500, New Rochelle 74,281, Mount Vernon 68,815, and Schenectady 61,469. That makes just 1,193,031, not even close to two million.

The LDS leadership urges its members to leave LDS geography alone, but everyone should know about Cumorah. The church nervously changes the locations so now it may be at one of two locations of the Mexico-Guatemala-Honduras area. How odd that a wealthy church with its own revelator cannot find Cumorah! Riley L. Dixon has a telling book on this called, Just One Cumorah. Apparently, the LDS leaders do not believe the Book of Mormon because we are told exactly where Cumorah is.

The prefaces are not viewed as scripture but are regarded as true. The Ether 15 preface (before 1981) stated the obvious to say, The hill Ramah or Cumorah. Verse 11 confirms that this is where Mormon hid the records  or where Joseph found the Golden Plates. So Cumorah is at Palmyra, NY, in the land of Moron near the Smith family home (14:11). The LDS Cumorah visitors center affirms, Yes, this is the place. That is why the LDS church holds an annual pageant of the battle there. (Mormon Doctrine, pp. 174-175; A Marvelous Work and a Wonder, p. 7; Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, pp. 232-243).

The Cumorah war in the New World would be far before the age of steel over here (see the Smithsonian statement to follow). Yet they had swords, shields, breastplates, and head-plates (15:15, 20-24). The standard Mormon excuse is to say that the soil has so much acid that it ate up the metal. The New York locals really laugh at this foolish yarn because the soil is fertile.

Wouldnt you expect there to be a mountain of armor nearly as big as the hill itself? Then why doesnt the LDS church use its wealth for excavation and lay aside the controversy? There cannot be no evidence. Call the Smithsonian or National Geographic and say, Lets dig! Cumorah has a history of farming and even excavation with the LDS visitors center and a paved road near the top, so someone must know how many swords were found. With no axe to grind, experts for these studies say there is no axe to find. Since eager Mormons claimed the Smithsonian used the Book of Mormon as a guide for archaeology, the Smithsonian grew irritated and prepared a statement exposing the folklore. The form letter is available on many sites such as: www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2210200/posts or http://mrm.org/smithsonian.

While Mormon archaeologists are missing steel weapons, what happened to the steel mills or the mines of mighty heaps of earth to get ore? (Ether 10:20). It would be easier finding Nemo than one of the swords of Cumorah because arrowheads are all they have. Animation or imagination, the Book of Mormon is simply an 1830 story that has fallen onto its own sword.

And how ridiculous as not one of those sadistic men of Cumorah had enough sense or love for the mothers and children to let them escape! None turned back while the hill was red, with blood flowing in every direction. Somehow, not one soul was wounded as they were all killed. Yet to find an enemy in the mounds of bodies would be practically impossible. The Indians of the Book of Mormon rode around wearing armor in their chariots, but apparently there were no horses at Cumorah? (Alma 18:9 & 12; 20:6; 3 Nephi 21:14). Not a very smart war!

The chapter heading for Ether 15 says, Millions of Jaredites are slain in battle. Thats an understatement! How amazing as the most evenly matched armies in history fought down to 52 from the army of Coriantumr and 69 of the army of Shiz (Ether 15:23). In comparison, if two packs of dogs fought, wouldnt one logically prevail or does it get to one-to-one? Millions and millions of warriors fell and it was finally one-to-one? Just coincidently, they were the army leaders, Coriantumr and Shiz. Thats like it just happened to be the president from the University of Utah and the president of BYU. (It sounds childish! Coriantumr went on to join the Mulekites? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulek).

Considering more of the logical inconsistencies, did early Americans round up every colonist and Indian and fight to extinction? The pilgrims survived early America and our dear Native American tribes are all over the country.

Reading on, as one general faints the other smites off his head. Then without a head, super-hero Shiz rises and struggles to breathe (15:29-31). Determination without a brain! So is it super-hero or super-fantasy? As the Mormon religion stakes its reputation on this tale, how can so many very intelligent people believe it?

Mormon productions play soft music, claiming the Book of Mormon is a History of Ancient America. If so, why dont the universities teach it? BYU, yes. You find more honest history from the National Enquirer. For example, where is ancient Bountiful or Ephraim except as being towns in Utah? You can swim the Sea of Galilee but never walk one of the 38 cities of the Book of Mormon. Where are the maps? American writings clearly mention the Great Lakes, the Gulf of Mexico, the Rockies, Niagara Falls, the Appalachians, or the great rivers used to describe America. Why doesnt the Book of Mormon? Its like a truckload of tangled fishing line as LDS scholars try to unravel the knots. Any atheist can see the historical accuracy of the Bible but it would be easier to find the ruins of the bottomless pit than reality from the Book of Mormon. It takes more than any LDS faith-promoting rumors to compare to the 25,000 archaeological sites of Gods Word, the Bible.

The Book of Mormon is the baited hook to lure thousands into a faith with many defenders but no defense. Amateur archaeologists overstate their claims on Yucatan or the Mayans as being trophies of truth. Those inscriptions are pagan: idol worship, cannibalism, human sacrifice, witchcraft and animism. Nothing of Jesus! With a motto: The glory of God is intelligence (D&C 93:36), it makes you wonder. LDS missionaries grasping to defend their faith flee to stories from the 1800′s, asking God (their god) if these things are so. Pray to a false god about a false book and you will get a false answer. Credible faith is based on relevant information, not just the claim for truth or simply wanting it to be true. Faith in religious fiction is insulting to God.

To find information about Bible lands, just dig. Isnt there a real Hebrew language? And if the Bible was reinterpreted into endless error, how come the ancient Dead Sea Scrolls read just as the Bible? But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you (1 Peter 1:25).

Is the Book of Mormon fact? In places it is, of course. Wherever Joseph Smith plagiarized the Bible, I bear witness that it is true. The Mormon church is based on fiction. At least when Mark Twain wrote about Tom Sawyer, he never claimed it was the word of God.

Picture two boys playing army at BYU. They pretend 230,000 warriors are on campus from 385 AD, calling them the Lamanites who defeat the Nephites, later to become the American Indians in the storyline (Mormon 6:9-15; 8:2-3). Then young Joseph imagines another war and says, Hyrum, nearly a thousand years earlier, millions of warriors and their families fought to their death here. Little Hyrum says, Lets call it Cumorah. Now logically, why would both wars be on that same insignificant spot of BYU? So really, that Palmyra hill? Did the Revolutionary War and Civil War overlook a great battlefield or was there all of America to fight? And wasnt this near Joseph Smiths childhood home? Its pure make-believe and the LDS call it scripture.

Cumorah is just one example but there are lots of Book of Mormon big problems. Is it the most correct truth for the LDS faith? Yes, it is. The introduction explains, Concerning this record the Prophet Joseph Smith said: I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than any other book.

Well, sure he said it was true! Self-affirmation is like claiming the Quran is the most correct book according to Mohammed, the mass is real according to the Pope, the Watchtower to Jehovahs Witnesses, Harold Camping claiming to know prophecy, or Brigham Young boasting that his words are as good as scripture. Many LDS are shocked to hear that Joseph Smith was the actual author of the Book of Mormon. See the original Book of Mormon preface page: www.mormonwiki.org/File:1830_BOM_page_1.jpg To escape the obvious ramifications, some Mormons claim that an evil, demonic printer changed the original wording. Pretty lame! Why not say he changed the Cumorah story too?

The Cumorah of Joseph and Hyrum Smith was Carthage where they were jailed after ordering the destruction of a printing press exposing polygamy. Joseph was in conflict with the Masons for stealing their ceremonies, so when a mob attacked it was like an old west gunfight. Joseph killed two men and shot one (not a lamb or martyr) before they were killed. (History of the Church, vol. 6, pp. 432, 448; vol. 7, p. 103).

For Gods record on how to have eternal life, we all must have the truth. And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life (1 John 5:11-13). To have Jesus Christ (not the LDS church, temples, commandments and ceremonies), is to gain Gods celestial heaven.

Jesus said, In my Fathers house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that were I am, there ye may be also. With Jesus where? The Fathers house! What is the way there? Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me (John 14:2-6). LDS stuff is not the way.

To watch several DVDs on Mormonism online see: http://www.mscbc.org/streaming.htm. Are you weary of the LDS missionaries? Not being able to defend their stories, they usually retreat to some gushy testimonies but the religious deceit is clear. If you dont want to face them alone contact: goal2help@yahoo.com.

From the article: Mormon productions play soft music, claiming the Book of Mormon is a History of Ancient America. If so, why dont the universities teach it? BYU, yes. You find more honest history from the National Enquirer. For example, where is ancient Bountiful or Ephraim except as being towns in Utah? You can swim the Sea of Galilee but never walk one of the 38 cities of the Book of Mormon. Where are the maps? American writings clearly mention the Great Lakes, the Gulf of Mexico, the Rockies, Niagara Falls, the Appalachians, or the great rivers used to describe America. Why doesnt the Book of Mormon? Its like a truckload of tangled fishing line as LDS scholars try to unravel the knots.

Yes. Many of my Bibles have maps added as an appendix. Where are the maps in the back of the Book of Mormon?

From the article: The Book of Mormon is the baited hook to lure thousands into a faith with many defenders but no defense. Amateur archaeologists overstate their claims on Yucatan or the Mayans as being trophies of truth. Those inscriptions are pagan: idol worship, cannibalism, human sacrifice, witchcraft and animism. Nothing of Jesus!

The old bait & switch. Use something Biblical sounding...a book where about a dozen chapters have been literally plagiarized word-for-word from Isaiah and other books of the Bible (Malachi, etc.)...but that which is an epic fail historically...and then top it off that most Mormonism's most vital doctrine neglects the Book of Mormon and rather draws it from Doctrine & Covenants.

From the article: ...many people believe a similar story from the Book of Mormon, being the greatest war in the history of our hemisphere. The Jaredites split into warring factions as two armies fought to extinction in New York State between 600-300 BC. One army had two million men, plus women and children, making it at least four million people (Ether 15:2). The other side was its equal. So a mere 260,000 at BYU is nothing in comparison to an excess of eight million on the little hill Cumorah. Utah has less than three million people. Eight million could fill the LA basin. Or imagine the complete population of NYC on the campus of BYU. You couldnt breathe, let alone fight! If the other great cities of New York State converged upon Cumorah, they would include Buffalo 270,240, Rochester 207,294, Yonkers 201,066, Syracuse 138,560, Albany 93,836, Cheektowaga 77,500, New Rochelle 74,281, Mount Vernon 68,815, and Schenectady 61,469. That makes just 1,193,031, not even close to two million. The LDS leadership urges its members to leave LDS geography alone, but everyone should know about Cumorah...The prefaces are not viewed as scripture but are regarded as true. The Ether 15 preface (before 1981) stated the obvious to say, The hill Ramah or Cumorah. Verse 11 confirms that this is where Mormon hid the records  or where Joseph found the Golden Plates. So Cumorah is at Palmyra, NY, in the land of Moron near the Smith family home (14:11). The LDS Cumorah visitors center affirms, Yes, this is the place. That is why the LDS church holds an annual pageant of the battle there. (Mormon Doctrine, pp. 174-175; A Marvelous Work and a Wonder, p. 7; Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, pp. 232-243).

Ah. The Hill Cumorah in supposed upstate New York. 8 million people died there in a single battle, eh? Who knew?

From the article: The Cumorah war in the New World would be far before the age of steel over here (see the Smithsonian statement to follow). Yet they had swords, shields, breastplates, and head-plates (15:15, 20-24). The standard Mormon excuse is to say that the soil has so much acid that it ate up the metal. The New York locals really laugh at this foolish yarn because the soil is fertile. Wouldnt you expect there to be a mountain of armor nearly as big as the hill itself? Then why doesnt the LDS church use its wealth for excavation and lay aside the controversy? There cannot be no evidence. Call the Smithsonian or National Geographic and say, Lets dig! Cumorah has a history of farming and even excavation with the LDS visitors center and a paved road near the top, so someone must know how many swords were found. With no axe to grind, experts for these studies say there is no axe to find.

From the article: The chapter heading for Ether 15 says, Millions of Jaredites are slain in battle. Thats an understatement! How amazing as the most evenly matched armies in history fought down to 52 from the army of Coriantumr and 69 of the army of Shiz (Ether 15:23)...Reading on, as one general faints the other smites off his head. Then without a head, super-hero Shiz rises and struggles to breathe (15:29-31). Determination without a brain! So is it super-hero or super-fantasy?

What a nonsensical yarn is found in Ether 15, the Book of Mormon. If you're head's been cut off, what? You're a chicken & you can rise up? Determination without a brain, amen!

The funds raised in these FReepathons go to pay our current quarter expenses. But we're also going to try to replace some of our older servers and failing equipment this year so we're going to add a little extra to our FReepathon goals. John is estimating ten to fifteen thousand to do this and I'd like to get it all in place and working before the election cycle is fully heated up, so we'll try to bring in a little extra now, if we can, and the rest next quarter.

There is no archeological evidence of anything from the BofM.
Where as the Bible is LOADED with evidence and that evidence is older that the BofM stuff.
(Ok, now they (SLC lds) are saying the Mayans and Incas are really the people of the BofM.)

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posted on 02/18/2012 11:40:45 AM PST
by svcw
(Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)

The Nephites gather to the land of Cumorah for the final battlesMormon hides the sacred records in the hill CumorahThe Lamanites are victorious, and the Nephite nation is destroyedHundreds of thousands are slain with the sword. About A.D. 385.

1 And now I finish my record concerning the destruction of my people, the Nephites. And it came to pass that we did march forth before the Lamanites.

2 And I, Mormon, wrote an epistle unto the king of the Lamanites, and desired of him that he would grant unto us that we might gather together our people unto the land of Cumorah, by a hill which was called Cumorah, and there we could give them battle.

3 And it came to pass that the king of the Lamanites did grant unto me the thing which I desired.

4 And it came to pass that we did march forth to the land of Cumorah, and we did pitch our tents around about the hill Cumorah; and it was in a land of many waters, rivers, and fountains; and here we had hope to gain advantage over the Lamanites.

5 And *when three hundred and eighty and four years had passed away,we had gathered in all the remainder of our people unto the land of Cumorah.

6 And it came to pass that when we had gathered in all our people in one to the land of Cumorah, behold I, Mormon, began to be old; and knowing it to be the last struggle of my people, and having been commanded of the Lord that I should not suffer the records which had been handed down by our fathers, which were sacred, to fall into the hands of the Lamanites, (for the Lamanites would destroy them) therefore I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord, save it were these few plates which I gave unto my son Moroni.

7 And it came to pass that my people, with their wives and their children, did now behold the armies of the Lamanites marching towards them; and with that awful fear of death which fills the breasts of all the wicked, did they await to receive them.

8 And it came to pass that they came to battle against us, and every soul was filled with terror because of the greatness of their numbers.

9 And it came to pass that they did fall upon my people with the sword, and with the bow, and with the arrow, and with the ax, and with all manner of weapons of war.

10 And it came to pass that my men were hewn down, yea, even my ten thousand who were with me, and I fell wounded in the midst; and they passed by me that they did not put an end to my life.

11And when they had gone through and hewn down all my people save it were twenty and four of us, (among whom was my son Moroni) and we having survived the dead of our people, did behold on the morrow, when the Lamanites had returned unto their camps, from the top of the hill Cumorah, the ten thousand of my people who were hewn down, being led in the front by me.

12 And we also beheld the ten thousand of my people who were led by my son Moroni.

13 And behold, the ten thousand of Gidgiddonah had fallen, and he also in the midst.

14 And Lamah had fallen with his ten thousand; and Gilgal had fallen with his ten thousand; and Limhah had fallen with his ten thousand; and Jeneum had fallen with his ten thousand; and Cumenihah, and Moronihah, and Antionum, and Shiblom, and Shem, and Josh, had fallen with their ten thousand each.

15 And it came to pass that there were ten more who did fall by the sword, with their ten thousand each; yea, even all my people, save it were those twenty and four who were with me, and also a few who had escaped into the south countries, and a few who had deserted over unto the Lamanites, had fallen; and their flesh, and bones, and blood lay upon the face of the earth, being left by the hands of those who slew them to molder upon the land, and to crumble and to return to their mother earth.

16 And my soul was rent with anguish, because of the slain of my people, and I cried:

17 O ye fair ones, how could ye have departed from the ways of the Lord! O ye fair ones, how could ye have rejected that Jesus, who stood with open arms to receive you!

18 Behold, if ye had not done this, ye would not have fallen. But behold, ye are fallen, and I mourn your loss.

19 O ye fair sons and daughters, ye fathers and mothers, ye husbands and wives, ye fair ones, how is it that ye could have fallen!

20 But behold, ye are gone, and my sorrows cannot bring your return.

21 And the day soon cometh that your mortal must put on immortality, and these bodies which are now moldering in corruption must soon become incorruptible bodies; and then ye must stand before the judgment-seat of Christ, to be judged according to your works; and if it so be that ye are righteous, then are ye blessed with your fathers who have gone before you.

22 O that ye had repented before this great destruction had come upon you. But behold, ye are gone, and the Father, yea, the Eternal Father of heaven, knoweth your state; and he doeth with you according to his justice and mercy.

Mormon 8:2 And now it came to pass that after the great and tremendous battle at Cumorah, behold, the Nephites who had escaped into the country southward were hunted by the Lamanites, untilthey were all destroyed.

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posted on 02/18/2012 12:35:52 PM PST
by Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

Reading on, as one general faints the other smites off his head. Then without a head, super-hero Shiz rises and struggles to breathe (Ether 15:29-31). Determination without a brain! So is it super-hero or super-fantasy?

It could HAPPEN!

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posted on 02/18/2012 1:06:51 PM PST
by Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

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