On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 17:55:48 -0500, mental@... <mental@...> wrote:
> [ I'm a bit surprised that having the redundant root nodes isn't
> causing a parse failure, though (it should, IMO)... ]
it's not another root - it's nested _under_ the original <inkscape> as
its last child
> By the way, have you filed a bug so we can track this?
i will if it's not fixed soon enough

Quoting bulia byak <buliabyak@...>:
> Someone's recent change (likely the repr changes by swingincelt)
> broke preferences loading and saving. Now upon exit, a new
> <inkscape> element with all its children is nested at the end of
the
> ~/.inkscape/preferences.xml instead of replacing the existing
> <inkscape>. Thus the size of the file grows by 13K on each run of
> the program, and any changes you make to the prefs are not read
next
> time you run. Please fix ASAP.
If current settings are going to the redundant <inkscape>
element(s), that means this things are getting screwed up in the
actual loading of the preferences file. That should narrow down
the search a bit.
It must be remembering the redundant root node created at that time
too -- if it were using XML::Document::getRoot() to find the root
node, then the settings would still be going to the initial
<inkscape> element.
[ I'm a bit surprised that having the redundant root nodes isn't
causing a parse failure, though (it should, IMO)... ]
By the way, have you filed a bug so we can track this?
-mental

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:15:39 -0400, bulia byak <buliabyak@...> wrote:
> Someone's recent change (likely the repr changes by swingincelt) broke
> preferences loading and saving. Now upon exit, a new <inkscape>
> element with all its children is nested at the end of the
> ~/.inkscape/preferences.xml instead of replacing the existing
> <inkscape>. Thus the size of the file grows by 13K on each run of the
> program, and any changes you make to the prefs are not read next time
> you run. Please fix ASAP.
>
Terribly sorry, I wouldn't have noticed this in the testing I
performed. It's a little peplexing though since I thought I was just
making one-to-one conversions of function calls.
I'll review my patches, but it will be late evening (EST) before I can
look into this.
Cheers,
--
Rob.
http://woodpendant.com

Someone's recent change (likely the repr changes by swingincelt) broke
preferences loading and saving. Now upon exit, a new <inkscape>
element with all its children is nested at the end of the
~/.inkscape/preferences.xml instead of replacing the existing
<inkscape>. Thus the size of the file grows by 13K on each run of the
program, and any changes you make to the prefs are not read next time
you run. Please fix ASAP.

Nicu Buculei wrote:
> Jon Phillips wrote:
>
>> My girlfriend just made all these images for the clipart library by
>> tracing them in Inkscape (rock!) and then editing and composing them
>> with Adobe Illustrator CS. However, they cannot be opened in Inkscape.
>
>
> yes, i observed the files and intended to send a bug report until i saw
> your message.
>
>> I'm writing this to let everyone know that there are about 10 images
>> available at this link, http://openclipart.org/submissions.php, done
>> by Linda Kim that would be good for testing interoperability of Adobe
>> SVG and Inkscape.
>
>
> i had a look at those images using eog (rendered by librsvg) and firefox
> (built with native SVG support) so probably i don't see the entire
> image, but those files are *huge* (about 0.5 MB each) for such simple
> drawings (at least this is what i see)
Yeah, they are big. Most of it is bloat, and then Adobe embedding of
base64'd binary content as well. The main svg is not that big. For Open
Clip Art Library, maybe we need to come up with file size limits, or
rather, maybe a regimen of cleaning for SVG files that are submitted? These
Adobe SVGs can obviously be cleaned up majorly, but then again, my
girlfriend spent a lot of time on separating the parts into layers and
naming each part? In Inkscape maybe developing some compatibility between
Illustrator layers and Inkscape layers is in order for the future.
The good (and bad) thing about Illustrators SVG is that you can open it
back up in Illustrator and then edit it as if its a normal .AI file.
Soooo...anyhow, my pontification ends.
What do you think about the cleansing of files that are submitted to Open
Clip Art Library? Since the images are PD, then obviously we can do this,
but then how to best go about the compression tasks.
Jon
>> I created a bug on this and a new category for import bugs. If this
>> one fits your fancy, it should be easy to write a script to strip out
>> what Inkscape doesn't support, as can be done by hand in a text
>> editor. However, to get Inkscape to allow for various unsupported
>> features, or compliant svg that we don't suppor yet, might be more
>> difficult.
>>
>> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1153207&group_id=93438&atid=604306
>
>
>
>
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Scale Journal (http://scale.ucsd.edu)

Jon Phillips wrote:
> My girlfriend just made all these images for the clipart library by
> tracing them in Inkscape (rock!) and then editing and composing them
> with Adobe Illustrator CS. However, they cannot be opened in Inkscape.
yes, i observed the files and intended to send a bug report until i saw
your message.
> I'm writing this to let everyone know that there are about 10 images
> available at this link, http://openclipart.org/submissions.php, done by
> Linda Kim that would be good for testing interoperability of Adobe SVG
> and Inkscape.
i had a look at those images using eog (rendered by librsvg) and firefox
(built with native SVG support) so probably i don't see the entire
image, but those files are *huge* (about 0.5 MB each) for such simple
drawings (at least this is what i see)
> I created a bug on this and a new category for import bugs. If this one
> fits your fancy, it should be easy to write a script to strip out what
> Inkscape doesn't support, as can be done by hand in a text editor.
> However, to get Inkscape to allow for various unsupported features, or
> compliant svg that we don't suppor yet, might be more difficult.
>
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1153207&group_id=93438&atid=604306
--
nicu

My girlfriend just made all these images for the clipart library by tracing
them in Inkscape (rock!) and then editing and composing them with Adobe
Illustrator CS. However, they cannot be opened in Inkscape.
I'm writing this to let everyone know that there are about 10 images
available at this link, http://openclipart.org/submissions.php, done by
Linda Kim that would be good for testing interoperability of Adobe SVG and
Inkscape.
I created a bug on this and a new category for import bugs. If this one
fits your fancy, it should be easy to write a script to strip out what
Inkscape doesn't support, as can be done by hand in a text editor. However,
to get Inkscape to allow for various unsupported features, or compliant svg
that we don't suppor yet, might be more difficult.
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1153207&group_id=93438&atid=604306
Also, if anyone needs more examples, I can get those created in Adobe
Illustrator CS.
Jon
--
Jon Phillips
USA PH 510.499.0894
jon@...
http://www.rejon.org
Inkscape (http://inkscape.org)
Open Clip Art Library (www.openclipart.org)
CVS Book (http://cvsbook.ucsd.edu)
Scale Journal (http://scale.ucsd.edu)

One of the guys on irc.mozilla.org/#svg (nick: woo) showed me
a demo of svg-enabled Firefox with the xforms extension from mozilla.org.
It is a little calculator demo, implemented using svg and xforms. Very
nice.
http://artforms.progressivex.com/mozilla/svgcalc.xml
Bob

Could someone please add these entries to /htdocs/.htaccess on the web site?
AddType image/svg+xml .svg
AddType image/svg+xml .svgz
Inkscape.org can't serve svg at the moment, which can potentially
be embarassing. ;-)
This might need to be added to the wiki code, too.
Bob

Bryce Harrington wrote:
>
>Well, as far as I know, I'm the only person who regularly updates the
>news, although a couple people also contribute periodically. I don't
>find the current process very hard, but if a different system will
>result in more people putting news items in, that would be a good thing.
>Having an RSS feed would be nice, too. On the other hand, if it's more
>difficult to use and the current news posters stop keeping the site
>updated, then that could be a pretty bad outcome.
>
In terms of other people contributing, we could set up a system where
the default account level allows people to write articles, but not to
publish them. Then people who have admin privileges could publish the
post if they think it's suitable. This would mean that we can open it up
so that anyone is free to submit a post, which would -- hopefully --
increase the number of posts made.
--
Jonathan Leighton aka. Turnip
http://turnipspatch.com/ | http://digital-proof.org/

[If you do setup an RSS news feed using open source tools like Word Press
I like to be allowed to post information like this.]
Press: Inkscape in Linux User and Developer magazine Issue 47
http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/
"Graphic designer Miriam Clinton investigates the
free software tools of her trade with a look at the Gimp, Cinepaint,
Quanta Plus, Inkscape and Sodipodi."
One of the plus points mentioned in the article and in noticable contrast
to other projects was the welcome Miriam recieved from the Inkscape
community (and the efforts to get her involved). I'm very proud of this
ditinction and I think a lot of it can be put down to the maturity of
Bryce and the other developers who always moderate dicussions and keep
things calm and in perspective. I think this is a valuable asset to the
long term health of the Inkscape project.
She expressed her disappointment at the Text functionality but as we all
know it is a work in progress and the interface will inevitably improve
and Ms. Clinton did note that Inkscape is a fairly young 'alpha' stage
project and gave a largely favourable and optimistic report.
In comparision I think she was quite critical of GIMP, CinePaint and
Sodipodi which is quite fair from the point of view of a Graphic designer
but usually Linux magazines are very forgiving of Open Source applications
(Graphic design magazines are usually extremely critical -- freedom of
source and free cost doesn't cut any ice with them -- a flamefest even by
comparison to Miriams review).
Gotta go.
Sincerely
Alan Horkan
http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/
Inkscape, Draw Freely http://inkscape.org
Abiword is Awesome http://abisource.com

On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 01:03:12PM -0800, Jon Phillips wrote:
> Bob Jamison wrote:
> >Sounds good. I set up a small "news" area on a friend's site with
> >Wordpress
> >on a typical el-cheapo LAMP box. It was very easy and has a fairly
> >professional appearance.
> >
>
> What's some other peoples take on switching the news page to WordPress or
> Movable Type?
>
> More thoughts from others?
Well, as far as I know, I'm the only person who regularly updates the
news, although a couple people also contribute periodically. I don't
find the current process very hard, but if a different system will
result in more people putting news items in, that would be a good thing.
Having an RSS feed would be nice, too. On the other hand, if it's more
difficult to use and the current news posters stop keeping the site
updated, then that could be a pretty bad outcome.
Bryce

On Sat, 2005-02-26 at 20:24 +1100, Erik wrote:
>Can Inkscape plot survey data at present? What I mean is: Can we lay down =
a
>line A to B with a distance in say metres and a bearing relative to North
>vertical and plotted clockwise? And then a line B to C etcetera.
>The sort of data it would be valuable to plot are:
I think this would be a good place to use SVG::Graph
http://search.cpan.org/~allenday/SVG-Graph-0.01/Graph.pm
If you wrote the Perl script so that it takes in a file as a parameter,
it could be tied into Inkscape using Input extensions.
--Ted

Erik asked:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Erik" <kaver@...>
To: <inkscape-user@...>;
<inkscape-devel@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 7:24 PM
Subject: [Inkscape-devel] Survey data? Can this be done at present?
> Can Inkscape plot survey data at present? What I mean is: Can we lay down
> a
> line A to B with a distance in say metres and a bearing relative to North
> vertical and plotted clockwise? And then a line B to C etcetera.
> The sort of data it would be valuable to plot are:
>
> Point Point Distance (metres or scaled) Bearing (angle clockwise
> in
> degrees from vertical)
> A B 12.5 25
> B C 4.3 328
> C D 16.7 85
> D E 8.6 45.2
>
> To do this we need lines to be drawn in terms of distance and angle rather
> than what appears to be the current X and Y positions of the point. Maybe
> this can be set at present. If so I cannot find it-
>
> Another use of this would be to obtain distance and bearing between two
> points from a map scan. Again a very useful result which may already be
> possible.
>
> Any help here? I seem to remember that at some very early stage in
> Inkscape
> this was possible.......sort of....but I cannot find it now.
>
> I'll put it in as a request but thought I'd ask first.
>
> Erik
>
>
>
Erik
The only way I could see to do this is to have a spreadsheet with a table
with functions that convert the bearing into "x" and "y"
dimensions/coordinates, which you could then, it seems to me in theory, plot
in Inkscape. The main bit of work would be setting up the spreadsheet
functions but once done it should be relatively easy.
Adam

Can Inkscape plot survey data at present? What I mean is: Can we lay down a
line A to B with a distance in say metres and a bearing relative to North
vertical and plotted clockwise? And then a line B to C etcetera.
The sort of data it would be valuable to plot are:
Point Point Distance (metres or scaled) Bearing (angle clockwise in
degrees from vertical)
A B 12.5 25
B C 4.3 328
C D 16.7 85
D E 8.6 45.2
To do this we need lines to be drawn in terms of distance and angle rather
than what appears to be the current X and Y positions of the point. Maybe
this can be set at present. If so I cannot find it-
Another use of this would be to obtain distance and bearing between two
points from a map scan. Again a very useful result which may already be
possible.
Any help here? I seem to remember that at some very early stage in Inkscape
this was possible.......sort of....but I cannot find it now.
I'll put it in as a request but thought I'd ask first.
Erik

On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:51:15 -0800, Landon Blake <lblake@...> wrote:
> This is something I might be able to work on.....I've just begun learning C and GTK GUI programming, so that I can contribute to Inkscape development.
>
> Any idea how I might get started?
Attached is an archive of several files that someone called massifr
(sorry I don't know the real name) created some time ago. This is a
beginning of implementation of svg:font, svg:fontface and svg:glyph.
Really the files are almost placeholders, with little real code, but
you still can use them as the starting point. The author (his email
is in the files headers) said he won't continue to work on them, but
you can contact him with questions. (As well as any of the developers,
of course - use the devel list and the jabber channel for any
questions you might have.)

Jon Phillips wrote:
> Bob Jamison wrote:
>
>> Sounds good. I set up a small "news" area on a friend's site with
>> Wordpress
>> on a typical el-cheapo LAMP box. It was very easy and has a fairly
>> professional appearance.
>>
>
> What's some other peoples take on switching the news page to WordPress
> or Movable Type?
>
> Also, how hard is it to match up the design to the current site? Or
> rather maybe update the current site to match a new clean design with
> letterpress?
>
> I don't want to duplicate effort and definitely don't want to reinvent
> the wheel. However, we have a good habit in Inkscape of not using
> tech. that will be hard to update/alter in the future. However, I see
> the benefits of having this available with the feeds, searchability,
> and so on in the near future (esp. as these feed specs change). Also,
> we could have an admin password like we have with the wiki, that
> several of the developers could have so that news posting doesn't die.
>
> More thoughts from others?
>
> Jon
>
Well, with <div> or <iframe> or whatever is best/most compatible, we
can serve different parts of the same page from different engines.
So we don't have to replace -everything-, just the parts we want.
Also, I think apache 2 has filters by default, which could do the same
thing.
Bob

Quoting Jon Phillips <jon@...>:
> What's some other peoples take on switching the news page to
> WordPress or Movable Type?
Strongly in favor, though I would prefer that we stuck with fully
Open Source solutions (that means WordPress, I think).
> Also, how hard is it to match up the design to the current site?
It shouldn't be too hard to get something relatively close. I'd
rather not do a major overhaul of the site appearance just because
of a change in the backend.
-mental

Bob Jamison wrote:
> Sounds good. I set up a small "news" area on a friend's site with
> Wordpress
> on a typical el-cheapo LAMP box. It was very easy and has a fairly
> professional appearance.
>
What's some other peoples take on switching the news page to WordPress or
Movable Type?
Also, how hard is it to match up the design to the current site? Or rather
maybe update the current site to match a new clean design with letterpress?
I don't want to duplicate effort and definitely don't want to reinvent the
wheel. However, we have a good habit in Inkscape of not using tech. that
will be hard to update/alter in the future. However, I see the benefits of
having this available with the feeds, searchability, and so on in the near
future (esp. as these feed specs change). Also, we could have an admin
password like we have with the wiki, that several of the developers could
have so that news posting doesn't die.
More thoughts from others?
Jon
>
>
> Jonathan Leighton wrote:
>
>> Jon Phillips wrote:
>>
>>> Jonathan Leighton wrote:
>>>
>>>> How is the new section done at the moment? Looking in the CVS it
>>>> looks like it is manually updated, but maybe there is a script that
>>>> does it?
>>>>
>>>> If not, it may be worthwhile considering implementing some form of
>>>> CMS, which would not only make it way easier to update, but would
>>>> also come with RSS feeds included (most likely). I'd be happy to
>>>> implement it if you're interested. The one I'd recommend is
>>>> WordPress, which I have on my own site too. Whilst it is primarily a
>>>> blogging application, it can be very, very easily used in a "news"
>>>> situation too. It comes with a selection of RSS feeds, and XHTML +
>>>> CSS standards compliance.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Actually, I just started a simple news poster for the site. I'm not
>>> sure if we could maintain something like CMS in addition to
>>> developing Inkscape. I started buildig a basic user management system
>>> for the Open Clip Art Library with user/pass login, etc, and realized
>>> it could be simply used to add/edit news from the site, as well as
>>> build rss feeds.
>>>
>>> Also, I had just planend to transform the news to RSS feed when the
>>> site is updated and/or the news is posted to.
>>
>>
>>
>> My idea was to use WordPress for *just* the news stuff, not the whole
>> site, so it would not take long to get going.
>>
>> I see two (main) advantages of using it:
>>
>> 1) The news would be easier to update -- you just fill in a form in
>> the admin interface and the details are handled by WordPress.
>> 2) It would automatically mean that a range of RSS feeds are available.
>>
>> There would be little or no maintenance involved really -- it would
>> take you or I probably an hour or so to implement and then that would
>> be it. The only time maintenance might be required is when WordPress
>> is updated.
>>
>> I realise if you have already put a lot of work into the current
>> system then maybe it's not something worth pursuing, but I think it
>> should at least be considered.
>>
>>> I would like to setup a planet (like, planet.gnome.org), but for the
>>> OSS creative developers (dev. who work on gimp, scribus, inkscape,
>>> ocal, etc), so maybe you could help me pull that together? I think
>>> that Inkscape is getting to the point as well where it could have its
>>> own aggregration of developer's RSS feeds to something like
>>> planet.inkscape.org. I just don't want to put too much work on our
>>> heads ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, that sounds like a very good idea. I'd like to help you with this.
>>
>
>
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Sounds good. I set up a small "news" area on a friend's site with Wordpress
on a typical el-cheapo LAMP box. It was very easy and has a fairly
professional appearance.
Bob
Jonathan Leighton wrote:
> Jon Phillips wrote:
>
>> Jonathan Leighton wrote:
>>
>>> How is the new section done at the moment? Looking in the CVS it
>>> looks like it is manually updated, but maybe there is a script that
>>> does it?
>>>
>>> If not, it may be worthwhile considering implementing some form of
>>> CMS, which would not only make it way easier to update, but would
>>> also come with RSS feeds included (most likely). I'd be happy to
>>> implement it if you're interested. The one I'd recommend is
>>> WordPress, which I have on my own site too. Whilst it is primarily a
>>> blogging application, it can be very, very easily used in a "news"
>>> situation too. It comes with a selection of RSS feeds, and XHTML +
>>> CSS standards compliance.
>>>
>>
>> Actually, I just started a simple news poster for the site. I'm not
>> sure if we could maintain something like CMS in addition to
>> developing Inkscape. I started buildig a basic user management system
>> for the Open Clip Art Library with user/pass login, etc, and realized
>> it could be simply used to add/edit news from the site, as well as
>> build rss feeds.
>>
>> Also, I had just planend to transform the news to RSS feed when the
>> site is updated and/or the news is posted to.
>
>
> My idea was to use WordPress for *just* the news stuff, not the whole
> site, so it would not take long to get going.
>
> I see two (main) advantages of using it:
>
> 1) The news would be easier to update -- you just fill in a form in
> the admin interface and the details are handled by WordPress.
> 2) It would automatically mean that a range of RSS feeds are available.
>
> There would be little or no maintenance involved really -- it would
> take you or I probably an hour or so to implement and then that would
> be it. The only time maintenance might be required is when WordPress
> is updated.
>
> I realise if you have already put a lot of work into the current
> system then maybe it's not something worth pursuing, but I think it
> should at least be considered.
>
>> I would like to setup a planet (like, planet.gnome.org), but for the
>> OSS creative developers (dev. who work on gimp, scribus, inkscape,
>> ocal, etc), so maybe you could help me pull that together? I think
>> that Inkscape is getting to the point as well where it could have its
>> own aggregration of developer's RSS feeds to something like
>> planet.inkscape.org. I just don't want to put too much work on our
>> heads ;)
>
>
> Yes, that sounds like a very good idea. I'd like to help you with this.
>