Oliver Stone’s movie was pretty convincing to anyone who had never been to Daley Plaza. Once you go there and you see how close quarters it really is, you realize that Oswald was shooting fish in a barrel. Didn’t require a sharp shooter. Just someone remotely competent with a rifle.

I expect politicians to lie, and am rarely disappointed. The reason that conservatives are happier than liberals, is that conservatives believe that human beings are inherently imperfect and are rarely disappointed.

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posted on 11/21/2010 6:27:40 AM PST
by Lonesome in Massachussets
(Socialists are to economics what circle squarers are to math; undaunted by reason or derision.)

When they said they kept silent, I think it’s the context of their own personal feelings, the guilt they felt, etc. Warren probably just stuck with facts. They talk a lot about their feelings of guilt in the article. and tears....

Once you go there and you see how close quarters it really is, you realize that Oswald was shooting fish in a barrel. Didnt require a sharp shooter. Just someone remotely competent with a rifle.

Exactly. I've been there. The very first thought that crossed my mind when I stood on the street in front of the Depository and looked at the window and the location of the car was that if I were to attempt to the shot, that's exactly where I would have positioned myself.

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posted on 11/21/2010 6:32:28 AM PST
by abb
("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)

Sorry, I believe in magic but not a magic bullet. Imagine a magic bullet that has the ability to change direction in mid air because the changes in direction were the only way a made up single bullet theory would support the Warren Commission single shooter conclusion. Imagine a magic bullet after causing all of the President's and Governor's wounds magically works it's way out of the President's body and is then found on a Parkland Hospital gurney in pristine condition.

Sorry, Imagine the single piece of evidence that would have proved the Warren Commission Report was correct magically disappears. Yes President Kennedy's brain, which forensic scientist agree would have conclusively showed the path the bullet took thought Kennedy's head (front to rear or rear to front), magically disappeared without explanation never to be found again.

Sorry, when the government lost Kennedy's brain it was no reason for me to lose mine.

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posted on 11/21/2010 6:36:39 AM PST
by hflynn
(The One has been reduced to The Zero)

Why does Oswald as 'lone shooter' eliminate a 'conspiracy to kill Kennedy'? One does not necessarily preclude or depend on the other.

Suggest reading "Dr. Mary and the Monkey" and you will see how Utilitarian MO's fashion ugly realities. (JFK assassination is the 'side' story; but Oswald and CIA/mafia/Castro et al elements - New Orleans and Dallas, very much a part of it.)

If all so innocent here; why were records sealed for another, however many years? There is a legitimate record of facts out there; but those most pertinent, are not being shared by our Gov and won't be; at least, not during lifetime of those alive and impacted; by JFK's assassination.

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posted on 11/21/2010 6:39:16 AM PST
by cricket
(Osama - NOT made in the USA. . .and Obama, not made in the USA either. . .)

You are correct about Roselli being the curious part of all this that takes you down te rabbit hole. Roselli was run by FBI agent Maheu who became a key man for Howard Hughes. I wrote the book on Harry Reid, so I have had to investigate how everything ties together, because Roselli played a part in Nevada too.

Personally, I think things get successfully covered up all the time. In this case, successful doesn’t mean that no one questions it—it means that the vast majority accept it without comment or dissent.

The "magic bullet" is fiction -- but it's fiction invented by conspiracy theorists. All of the pausing and changing direction nonsense is based on the assumption that Kennedy and Connolly were sitting ramrod-straight and one behind the other. They weren't.

Why does Oswald as 'lone shooter' eliminate a 'conspiracy to kill Kennedy'? One does not necessarily preclude or depend on the other.

47 years of conspiracy theories have been based on "proving" that Oswald could not have been the lone gunman, and inferring a conspiracy from that. Proving that Oswald was the only shooter does not eliminate the possibility of a conspiracy; there's just the inconvenient lack of evidence of a conspiracy.

I could believe that my computer is run by magic pixies that translate my keyboard input to the screen and scurry off to post my message to FR. You could sit down with me and patiently explain all the electronics involved, and I could be wholly satisfied that they explain the phenomenon. That still does not prove that there are no magic pixies.

For Oswald the 6.5x52mm Mannlicher-Carcano was adequate for his purpose.

“The one real virtue of the M-91 is that it was a fast to operate. Perhaps this was partly because the action was not real tight, and partly due to the Mannlicher design. But for whatever reason, the bolt slid very easily and very fast in its recess. A buddy of mine owned an M-91 Carbine, and I remember it as being the fastest bolt action military rifle I ever cycled. Practically anyone, with a minimum of practice, could shoot a Mannlicher-Carcano rifle quickly.”

“During his Marine Corps service in December 1956, Oswald scored a rating of sharpshooter (twice achieving 48 and 49 out of 50 shots during rapid fire at a stationary target 200 yards [183 m] away using a standard issue M1 Garand semi-automatic rifle).

“Military experts, after examining his records, characterized his firearms proficiency as “above average” and said he was, when compared to American civilian males of his age, “an excellent shot.”

Well 'lone gunman' implies an 'acting alone' - single assasin implies something else. No question much has been written to promote various cause/effect 'death versions'. I hold to the 'plot' theory whereby this event was a plan and so executed. And whether by 'single' shooter (and this would be the safest MO) or multiple (far less reliably 'secure') but each have an upside/downside, of course.

Whatever the case, we know the results of what appears as a 'shadow war' going on for power at it's highest levels.

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posted on 11/21/2010 7:42:04 AM PST
by cricket
(Osama - NOT made in the USA. . .and Obama, not made in the USA either. . .)

Did the History Channel debunk the flechette fired from the Umbrella man theory?

FYI, I am not into this conspiracy stuff and have never bought a book or sat through a movie or TV show on the subject.

However, for the past decade, I worked with a man who was a Navy Seal attached to the CIA in the early 1960’s. He was very well connected into the intelligence community until his death (heart attack while riding a motorcycle) last year. We were in Houston on a business trip a few years ago and the JFK assassination came up in conversation. For some odd reason, he began to tell me the whole Bay of Pigs and assassination story from the CIA’s perspective. I acknowledge that he could have been telling a campfire story, but, mid way through the story,he had an angina attack and put a nitroglycerin patch on. After telling me the story, he closed his eyes and went through some calming breathing exercises. We got home OK.

He said that the CIA encouraged Oswald to shoot Kennedy and gave Oswald some key timing data on the pathway Kennedy would travel that day.

In order to make it easier for Oswald, the CIA planted the “Umbrella Man” and equipped his umbrella with a silent gun loaded with a flechette filled with a paralyzing agent. The man opened the umbrella and fired the flechette at Kennedy's throat. Kennedy grasped at his throat and became paralyzed. Oswald then shot at a relatively stiff target.

The “magic bullet” has nothing whatsoever to do with Kennedy’s brain — in the Warren commission’s version of events or the conspiracy theories. It wasn’t the head shot. It’s the bullet that passed through Kennedy’s neck and Connally’s wrist.

This has been hashed out for almost half a century by an immense number of people. If you’re going to wade in, at least know the basics first.

The magic bullet has nothing whatsoever to do with Kennedys brain  in the Warren commissions version of events or the conspiracy theories. It wasnt the head shot. Its the bullet that passed through Kennedys neck and Connallys wrist.

This has been hashed out for almost half a century by an immense number of people. If youre going to wade in, at least know the basics first.

I just realized your log-on name could not be more accurate as you continue to wade in BS up to your eyeballs.

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posted on 11/21/2010 7:57:38 AM PST
by hflynn
(The One has been reduced to The Zero)

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