....off we go! Apple is doomed, worse presentation ever, Cue is a slob, WTF iPhone lineup is now confusing and ridiculous, Steve Jobs would've never done any of this, iPhone X is crap ($1,000 WTF??), new Apple Watch is crap (who cares about LTE?), new AppleTV is crap (4K...meh), everything is crap, Apple stock has dropped 110% in the last five minutes, iOS 11 is crap, WatchOS 4 is crap, High Sierra is crap, AR is crap, animojis are crap, AirPower is crap and so is name, Qi is crap, A11 Bionic is crap, FaceID is crap, crap, crap, crap, suck, crap, suck.

More of less what was expected (wasn't expecting there to be any Mac related announcements - but High Sierra ETA has since been confirmed as 25th).

iPhone tech is all very nice but nothing must have for me, whilst I'm in the minority, I still find the newer iPhones too big now (I can't use them one handed and the 6 onwards feel like a bar of soap and more slippy in my hand. I'm not a phone addict like many people are these days and will always prefer to use my Mac or iPad for most things unless travelling. Happy with my SE for size, weight, and performance - if there are still enough of us out there maybe there will be something to follow it but no rush yet.

AppleTV does sound nice and I will probably move on from my version 3 at some point (will need an adaptor to optical for my 5.1 speakers) which I do use a little for music, the odd movie, purchased TV shows, YouTube etc. but as much as I'd like to cut the cord so to speak I still need my Sky box to record Formula 1 for the sessions I can't watch live and happen when I'm at work or asleep and can't see that coming to AppleTV, and these days even getting that without being forced into a bundle and paying far more each month for sports I don't want would be difficult. Good that 4K content will be same pricing and old purchases get a free update - one day I'll get a 4K TV and/or projector (they are still very pricey) but most content is 1080p or less and might be a while before it is the other way around.

Interested in trying out iOS 11 and High Sierra soon and waiting on news of an expandable Mac Pro and where it falls in the range i.e will us hobbyists be able to own one or is iMac Pro and beyond prices only ...

iPhone tech is all very nice but nothing must have for me, whilst I'm in the minority, I still find the newer iPhones too big now (I can't use them one handed and the 6 onwards feel like a bar of soap and more slippy in my hand. I'm not a phone addict like many people are these days and will always prefer to use my Mac or iPad for most things unless travelling. Happy with my SE for size, weight, and performance - if there are still enough of us out there maybe there will be something to follow it but no rush yet.

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I guess the recent leaks didn't help, but the iPhone X didn't really blow me away: the notch is simply ugly, the gestures to replace the removed home button just seem unintuitive, and I still don't believe that FaceID is really more secure, reliable, and convenient than TouchID.

The Apple TV 4K looks interesting, but it's pretty much useless in Germany due to a lack of supported content.

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Aside from the Sky looking a lot like cloud 2.0(if you guys experience playing that on windows ages ago like I have), I thought based on highlights of the conference that it sounds underwhelming.

They went independent after Journey (they had a three-game contract) but iOS first was surprising.

Hope it comes to steam. Doesn't look like a game that's designed or would be best with touch controls.

I'll upgrade to the X when the price isn't so insane. (But really, I hope they figure out that we don't want our videos obscured by the notch--what is up with that?! Edit: they’re not—the marketing videos are just zoomed in.) I feel like with the 6 iPhones finally matured, and there's nothing that I absolutely need. I have TouchID, I have Retina, I can run all the apps (except for AR, but who cares--that AR demo was AWFUL!) 3D Touch is a gimmick.

Honestly, the price of the AppleTV was more baffling than the X. It's $30 less than an XBOX One S on sale or refurbished, which can play 4K Blurays and real games. And they didn't fix the popsnizzlety remote. But I'm surprised that they managed to convince Hollywood to include 4K at the same price, with free upgrades. As goofy as Eddy Cue is he's got that job for a reason.

iPhone tech is all very nice but nothing must have for me, whilst I'm in the minority, I still find the newer iPhones too big now (I can't use them one handed and the 6 onwards feel like a bar of soap and more slippy in my hand. I'm not a phone addict like many people are these days and will always prefer to use my Mac or iPad for most things unless travelling. Happy with my SE for size, weight, and performance - if there are still enough of us out there maybe there will be something to follow it but no rush yet.

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The iPhone choice of too big or way too big doesnt appeal to me as I just cannot lug around a huge phone all the time. My iPhone 4S is the perfect size and is mobile. Apple doesnt get bezel-less in that the reason it is so great is it can make the phone smaller, but Apple screwed that up. Having that notch for Face ID, I would rather go without Face ID. I dont care for any of the other stuff except the A11 processor.

I also dont care for cellular on Apple Watch, would much rather have thinner or longer battery life.

The iPhone choice of too big or way too big doesnt appeal to me as I just cannot lug around a huge phone all the time. My iPhone 4S is the perfect size and is mobile. Apple doesnt get bezel-less in that the reason it is so great is it can make the phone smaller, but Apple screwed that up. Having that notch for Face ID, I would rather go without Face ID. I dont care for any of the other stuff except the A11 processor.

I also dont care for cellular on Apple Watch, would much rather have thinner or longer battery life.

They still make the SE, but it is a bit unfortunate that it&rsquo;s the bastard child. Hopefully it&rsquo;ll get the 8&rsquo;s guts and a new design next spring.

Can&rsquo;t say I&rsquo;m in the same boat, though. I love my Plus, though I&rsquo;ll be happy to one day ditch the bezels.

I am quite positive about everything announced, short of the iPhone X price, but I get why it is so high (Both from a technical POV, and from a marketing POV). I thought the presentation was good, but now they've also established the lower standard (The keynote where Apple Music was introduced).

Yes, I know there is still the SE that is also taller then my 4S. If I were to upgrade now, I would get the SE and put up with a little bigger phone.

As someone who was also wary of switching from an iPhone 4 to the taller SE: the difference is quite small. You'll forget about it in no time. It helps that the SE is not wider than the 4/4s and still small enough to reach the upper corners comfortably with your thumb (unless your fingers are very stumpy, of course) – unlike the iPhone X were you have to awkwardly reach to the top right corner to pull down the Control Center.

Oh, by the way: Apple has released a new version of iTunes where they removed the ability to manage your iOS apps, ringtones, books, and photos on your Mac. You can no longer buy or update any iOS apps. All of this has to be done now on your iDevices.

"We do what we must, because we can."
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I thought all of the products looked fine. The iPhone X seems to be getting a mixed reaction, but the iPhone 8 is there for people who want a more traditional and/or cheaper phone. I don't have a need for any of the new products, but I have friends and family who will really like them. Several of my friends with 4K TV's were very happy to finally be able to order a 4K Apple TV. Several other friends are very interested in the Series 3 Watch with Cellular.

Oh, by the way: Apple has released a new version of iTunes where they removed the ability to manage your iOS apps, ringtones, books, and photos on your Mac. You can no longer buy or update any iOS apps. All of this has to be done now on your iDevices.

My wife has tons of photos on her MacBook Pro, that is where our only iPhoto library resides. Are you saying that she will no longer be able to manage her iPhoto library from her MacBook Pro?

No, applies only to iOS apps--iOS app store and iOS app management features were removed. So in the future, if you're restoring or setting up a new iPhone, you can't use iTunes to install/sync apps to the phone.

I thought all of the products looked fine. The iPhone X seems to be getting a mixed reaction, but the iPhone 8 is there for people who want a more traditional and/or cheaper phone. I don't have a need for any of the new products, but I have friends and family who will really like them. Several of my friends with 4K TV's were very happy to finally be able to order a 4K Apple TV. Several other friends are very interested in the Series 3 Watch with Cellular.

Face ID is dildos. Extra steps, doesn't work unless your phone is looking at you, won't see through various job and other related gear... right now I can unlock my phone and then tell Siri to play something on my car's sound system by reaching in my pocket, no removal necessary. Face ID can't do that.

I'd buy the crap out of an iPhone X if they'd made, say, a 4.3 inch model with the 4.7-inch iPhone's screen size (my iPhone 7 is just too big; I get sick of fumbling it when using it one-handed) and found a way to keep Touch ID.

My wife has tons of photos on her MacBook Pro, that is where our only iPhoto library resides. Are you saying that she will no longer be able to manage her iPhoto library from her MacBook Pro?

Yeah, my wording wasn't very clear on that: I meant the photos, apps, and books that get synced with your iDevices. You can no longer manage that on your Mac. Of course you can still manage the photos that are saved on your Mac.

"We do what we must, because we can."
"Gaming on a Mac is like women on the internet." — "Highly common and totally awesome?"