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ProFootballTalk on NBCSports.comSat, 10 Dec 2016 01:57:28 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: tremelehttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/04/goodell-needs-to-start-thinking-about-his-legacy/#comment-1053747
Thu, 05 May 2011 01:04:57 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=129087#comment-1053747Reading this topic makes me laugh. Everyone saying Paul Tagliabue was a great commish is dead wrong and has no idea what they’re talking about. Lets look at what Goodell has done for the league:

1. Players and drug/law abuse will NEVER be tolerated again.

2. The draft has become an event that anyone can enjoy because its more spread out.

3. NFL Network

4. Prime time games have been at an all time high.

5. Pro Bowl has been moved to a time that gets more money and ratings. (I still don’t watch it because of fan voting ruining it.)

6. Player safety at an all time high. While some of it sucks, but its a priority to him.

To end Goodells legacy will be defined how he gets out of this mess that was left by Tagliabue. If you don’t agree than you will never understand. For the ones that remember in 2006 where they did a temp deal, Tagliabue quickly retired. Tagliabue lived off what Pete Rozelle left him. Goodell WILL become the best commissioner by far if he can work out a deal, but right now he’s head and shoulders over Tagliabue and just below Rozelle.

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Wed, 04 May 2011 18:30:12 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=129087#comment-1053073I believe the players have the stronger argument, but can certainly understand people who support the owners. What I cannot understand is all the thumbs down on criticism of Goodell.

Criticizing Goodell is not the same as criticizing the owners. He’s the NFL Commissioner–he’s supposed to represent owners, players, and fans. Last season, most fans thought the guy was a jerk. Nothing’s changed. He’s still a jerk. He’s an extremely ineffective commissioner. You can still be rabidly pro owner without defending the guy who’s making a mess of the league.

And, thefiesty1, he does not have the right to tell NFL fans booing him at Radio City Music Hall to get the hell out. Contrary to his beliefs, he is not the king of the NFL Universe. Fans are more important to the game than he is and they can boo him if they want.

]]>By: crunchyclamhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/04/goodell-needs-to-start-thinking-about-his-legacy/#comment-1053010
Wed, 04 May 2011 18:11:59 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=129087#comment-1053010Why should the owners be guaranteed a certain amount of profit for simply owning a team?! Because they simply own the team. They take the financial risk and they should be rewarded.

Why should the players be guaranteed any money beyond what they are paid by their contract? These guys are paid a fortune to play a game and they still demand a huge chunk of the revenue … not the profit … the revenue.
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There’s financial risk in every investment. That doesn’t mean you’re guaranteed to make money. Especially if you do a poor job of managing your investment compared to your peers (i.e. the Jerry Richardsons vs. the Robert Krafts). It’s better for the league if these men lose money because it will either: A. force them to improve their team or, B. sell their team to an owner who gives a damn. No reason why the NFL should reward guys who make consistently poor decisions.

As for the players, they already aren’t guaranteed any money beyond the life of their contracts. Even then, they can still be cut at any time with only the signing bonus being owed. I haven’t heard the players union discuss fully guaranteed contracts in the CBA so what’s your point?

My point is smart owners make plenty of money and will continue to make money in the future irregardless of the new CBA terms. The NFL’s proposed CBA will only help to reward the other owners who aren’t very good at what they do.

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Wed, 04 May 2011 17:32:14 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=129087#comment-1052911Steadfast! Not Tagliabue but was not required to be. He should have told the rude fans at the draft that kept booing to get the he’ll out of Radio City Music Hall.
]]>By: habsmanhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/04/goodell-needs-to-start-thinking-about-his-legacy/#comment-1052891
Wed, 04 May 2011 17:27:03 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=129087#comment-1052891I will always remember him as the commissioner who completely over-reacted to “Spygate”. To say he was Krafts lapdog is laughable. He fined the Patriots 1/2 a million dollars for videotaping defensive signals that 80,000 fans could see from their seats. The fact that he worked for the New York Jets at one time probably had nothing to do with it.
]]>By: cdaws84http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/04/goodell-needs-to-start-thinking-about-his-legacy/#comment-1052855
Wed, 04 May 2011 17:15:24 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=129087#comment-1052855Ignornance is bliss.

stephen02120-
Look at the packer financials. Its all public and should be more than enough to demonstrate that some teams aren’t making money. Also look at the comments from the NFLPA all admitting that it was a steal of a deal. If it was that great of a deal neither the players or the owners would brag about how they screwed the other partner over.

As to your second arguement….50% is less than 57%…so did you forget some words…or do you not understand that 57% is more than 50%….thus the NFL owners when compared to other pro sport receive less of their revenues.

]]>By: orbearider66http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/04/goodell-needs-to-start-thinking-about-his-legacy/#comment-1052804
Wed, 04 May 2011 16:53:12 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=129087#comment-1052804Why should the owners be guaranteed a certain amount of profit for simply owning a team?! Because they simply own the team. They take the financial risk and they should be rewarded.

Why should the players be guaranteed any money beyond what they are paid by their contract? These guys are paid a fortune to play a game and they still demand a huge chunk of the revenue … not the profit … the revenue.

I don’t have sympathy for either party but I’m sick of the players (and the author of this article who you apparently aren’t allowed to name without having your comment deleted) portraying these guys as innocent victims of owners greed and an unprovoked lockout. I can’t stand any of them … I just can’t stand the players more.

]]>By: olcaphttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/04/goodell-needs-to-start-thinking-about-his-legacy/#comment-1052765
Wed, 04 May 2011 16:31:04 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=129087#comment-1052765Roggy’s legacy – The. Worst. Commissioner. Of. Any. Sport. Ever.
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Wed, 04 May 2011 16:16:23 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=129087#comment-1052739I thought Tags was great as well, but lets not froget that it takes two to tango and the leadership of Gene Upshaw is also truly missed in this dispute.

]]>By: stephen02120http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/04/goodell-needs-to-start-thinking-about-his-legacy/#comment-1052722
Wed, 04 May 2011 16:02:04 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=129087#comment-1052722“Did you forget the horrible deal the last commish signed off on? If Goodell can get all of them to sign a better deal his “legacy” will be fine.”

Can those who claim the last deal was horrible please offer some support? After all, it is the same horrible deal that Dan Rooney, shortly after approving it in 2006, called the best CBA in all of sports.

It is the same horrible deal that has seen the NFL become the most profitable sports league in the history of the world.

It is the same horrible deal that sees the NFL owners receive a larger share of the overall revenue (around 50%) than their counterparts in the NBA (57%), NHL (57%), and MLB (57% when minor league player costs are factored in).

It is the same horrible deal that gave the owners a hard salary cap, a restrictive system of free agency, and all those wonderful things that Goodell lamented losing in his Wall Street Journal rant.

Goodell’s legacy IS tarnished. I truly miss the leadership of Paul Tagliabue.

Roger Goodell will always be the man who ruined the draft in the name of prime time ratings.
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Good point…I can’t stand the draft setup now. Also, putting the Thursday night game on the NFL Network is lame…put it on a real network already.

]]>By: nineroutsiderhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/04/goodell-needs-to-start-thinking-about-his-legacy/#comment-1052703
Wed, 04 May 2011 15:53:00 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=129087#comment-1052703The only advice that I can offer to Goodell and the owners is, “Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered!”

I have to problem with them trying to take more of the pie, and I respect the players resistance as well. I have no moral or ethical concerns with either side…it’s just BizNasty.

However, the owners are the ones who have to ensure the longevity and popularity of the game, like I said…Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered!

Just another way of saying “Goodell needs to start thinking about updating his resumé”.

]]>By: packers291http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/04/goodell-needs-to-start-thinking-about-his-legacy/#comment-1052685
Wed, 04 May 2011 15:46:20 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=129087#comment-1052685HOLD ON with this legacy crap. You tried it with Favre and now you’re trying it again with Goodell. What matters is that the right outcome is reached. Goodell’s legacy has nothing to do with it.

With Favre you acted like a legacy is more important than a man’s own passion for the game. You argued that Favre should forgo PLAYING A GAME (that he loves) FOR 16 MILLION DOLLARS so that he can maintain this legacy of his.

Just stop with the legacy stuff before it even starts.

]]>By: jvw1982http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/04/goodell-needs-to-start-thinking-about-his-legacy/#comment-1052678
Wed, 04 May 2011 15:43:42 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=129087#comment-1052678He is a lap dog for the owners and the worst commissioner in sports……He needs to watch David Stern and how he will handle the NBA labor problems, that guy is a real commissioner who has the game ahead of making money…….I love how the owners paraded him out there and made him give away his salary during the lock out…..dumb ass lol
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Wed, 04 May 2011 15:34:21 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=129087#comment-1052666looks like my comment has been censored.
]]>By: prosb4hoshttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/04/goodell-needs-to-start-thinking-about-his-legacy/#comment-1052652
Wed, 04 May 2011 15:27:30 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=129087#comment-1052652So far, Goodell’s legacy is not knowing how to pronounce former players’ names correctly at the draft.
]]>By: grandpoopahhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/04/goodell-needs-to-start-thinking-about-his-legacy/#comment-1052646
Wed, 04 May 2011 15:24:07 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=129087#comment-1052646“the owners’ hatchet man” sounds about right.
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Wed, 04 May 2011 15:23:39 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=129087#comment-1052644cdaws84 says:
May 4, 2011 9:30 AM
A little superficial dont you think? Did you forget the horrible deal the last commish signed off on? If Goodell can get all of them to sign a better deal his “legacy” will be fine.
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How do you do, Mr. Goodell? That “horrible” deal you mention was followed by the most profitable years in league history. The only owners who didn’t make money hand over fist were the ones who were terrible at running their teams (i.e. Jerry Richardson, Wayne Weaver, etc.)

Why should owners be guaranteed a certain amount of profit for simply OWNING a team? Not much incentive for the crap teams with poor ownership to try to compete when their slice of the pie will only get bigger with a new CBA. This is a free market, sink or swim. Ownership won’t starve if the same CBA is kept in place.

]]>By: joe6606http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/04/goodell-needs-to-start-thinking-about-his-legacy/#comment-1052626
Wed, 04 May 2011 15:19:19 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=129087#comment-1052626So far, his legacy will be a joke.

He wants to cause more player injuries by expanding the regular season.

He wants to outsource the Super Bowl to other countries.

He wants to expand the NFL to other countries.

He issues completely inconsistent disciplinary decisions/fines.

He inflames the labor dispute by writing moronic drivel Op-ed pieces that have little to no factual basis, as opposed to trying to mediate.

Yea..this guy is on the path to becoming known as the worst commish ever.

]]>By: grandpoopahhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/04/goodell-needs-to-start-thinking-about-his-legacy/#comment-1052621
Wed, 04 May 2011 15:17:31 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=129087#comment-1052621“Sure Tom Brady has won 3 superbowls and maybe more but if he turns the NFL into the new MLB I don’t think anyone will be talking about how great he is…only that he destroyed the best game”

Yeah, everyone is going to remember Tom Brady as the guy whose name is on a lawsuit, not as the 3-time Super Bowl champion. That might be the dumbest thing I’ve heard this week. Do you even think about what you’re saying before you type?

]]>By: deathmonkey41http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/04/goodell-needs-to-start-thinking-about-his-legacy/#comment-1052604
Wed, 04 May 2011 15:07:59 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=129087#comment-1052604His legacy is going to be remebered as being Robert Kraft’s lapdog.
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Wed, 04 May 2011 14:58:36 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=129087#comment-1052590I waiver. I go three or four days without logging onto this site. I’ll log on and read a couple of articles… I’ll get mad and log off.

A little apathy… a little anger… a whole lot of wishing I liked basketball.

]]>By: orbearider66http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/04/goodell-needs-to-start-thinking-about-his-legacy/#comment-1052586
Wed, 04 May 2011 14:57:04 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=129087#comment-1052586@skippy … would these be the same greedy owners that have invested hundreds of millions (if not billion) of dollars to purchase and run their teams? Are they greedy? Sure. What successful businessman isn’t?

But what about the players? The players have a whole new type of greed … it is entitlement greed. They have nothing … NOTHING … financially invested in the league but they feel like they are entitled to as much money as the owners. They are just as greedy (if not more so) than the owners. Let’s not forget that it was the players that de-certified before the owners locked them out. In fact, didn’t they decertify while the owners were waiting for a response to a proposal and/or request to extend negotiations?

]]>By: eyegafhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/04/goodell-needs-to-start-thinking-about-his-legacy/#comment-1052584
Wed, 04 May 2011 14:55:42 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=129087#comment-1052584Your unabashed slant toward DeMaurice Smith is a joke. Talk to any lawyer in the DC-
Virginia area and they will tell you of his reputation for litagation, plus anyone who worked for Eric Holder in the joke of a justic department doesn’t deserve any slack at all. You have lost your objectiveness!
]]>By: jbninerhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/04/goodell-needs-to-start-thinking-about-his-legacy/#comment-1052578
Wed, 04 May 2011 14:53:14 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=129087#comment-1052578Protecting on man’s legacy (Tagliabue) at the expense of the game is how this current mess began.

The players, owners, and the comissioner need to remember their role as stewards of the game. Those who enjoy the priviledge of being involved in football at this level come and go. Their sole responsibility is to leave the game better than they found it. In this regard, they all are failing miserably.

]]>By: Chris Fiorentinohttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/04/goodell-needs-to-start-thinking-about-his-legacy/#comment-1052572
Wed, 04 May 2011 14:49:22 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=129087#comment-1052572It is with postings like this that you lose respect from someone like me, Mike. If Roger Goodell is worried about his legacy, then he would be the wrong man for the job. That’s what Tagliabue was worried about…his legacy…and what did that get him? A truly horrible deal for the owners that has created this entire mess in the first place. No, I think Roger Goodell is doing just fine. If he were to bend over for the players like good ole Paulie did, then we would probably have an NFL that closely resembles MLB instead of the last parity that the league has experienced since the 90’s. It is Goodell’s job to keep that parity flame burning for the long-term sake of the game…it isn’t his job to make sure any old NFL is played just so you can continue to get a lot of hits on your website.

I hate to say it Mike, but you are really, truly sounding more and more pathetic in your openly rooting for the players. A win for the players here is a loss for the long-term success of the NFL. Stop being a selfish baby and think about the long-term. If it takes a year off to keep the NFL on track for the next 40 years, then I’m 100% all for it.

Changed the airing of the draft, the weekend airing had a cult status, fans waited for that weekend every season. Now we get three days during a week, guest announcers, and his glad handing on stage that makes him look like a mere jock sniffer.

Suspending players who were accused of a crime, but allowing players who were accused of FELONY RAPE to play on.

Changed the conference championship trophy from one of dignity and class, to some small rinky dink trinket that you would see at a flea market.

He has no respect for players, the legal system, or NFL traditions. The sooner he is gone from this game, the better.

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Wed, 04 May 2011 14:45:15 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=129087#comment-1052564I agree that he needs to start worry about his legacy. It’s not at all because of the lockout we’re having though.

If there was no lockout, I would still expect people to boo him at the beginning of the draft.

He is creating a terrible legacy by taking the fun out of the game. Excessive fines for good hits (a trademark of the NFL), telling people like Chad Johnson (I refuse to call him ochocinco) that they can’t celebrate the way they want, and making the draft on Thursday nights.

Even if I was working on Sunday, the thing I looked forward to most was the creative celebrations. I looked forward to the big hits. I blame the players for the current mess. When you’re an employee, you either accept what you can get paid, ask for a raise, or leave and move to the best alternative. You don’t bite the hand that feeds you, especially when you’re being fed millions more than your alternatives can offer.

I would think it would be verydifficult to overcome a clear conflict of interest. You give up a (probably reasonably lucrative) career to devote full time to a site that is in some way advertiser sponsored. Clicks go down; revenue goes down.

That has to weigh on what you think is best. The best solution for the fans is a long term solution so we don’t go thru this every 4 or 5 years. That means both sides in a room agreeing and giving something up. Doing business as usual from last year isn’t going to happen. We’re going to end up with charges of collusion at the least and and all out labor law battle that not only threatens the future of the NFL as we know it but also the other professional sports.

The stay forces the players back into the room. At that point, the owners need to offer some type of olive branch. That’s where RG can define his legacy. RG is a marketing guy running one of the best marketing machines in the world. I am quite sure that if both sides could be forced back into a room, the machine will find a way to bring people back and publicize the return.

RG is the face of the league and he should have been booed. But we haven’t lost anything yet. If it gets resolved in time for a full season, RG will not suffer any long term adversity. I think he’s probably smart enough to know it.