Reasons we ღ them;1. Any ship with its own love theme screams "True Love"
2. No couple can make nose-bumping a major turn-on
3. Because he only smiles when he's with her
4. Because even dinner knives ship them
5. Because he constantly misses her
6. Because if anything happens to her, he'd die
7. Because if it's up to him, she'll never marry
8. Because they're like Abelard and Heloise
9. Because any other couple on the show who think they're like Abelard and Heloise are F.A.K.E.
10. Because she'll never love a husband like she loves him
11. Because "I should keep you here in chains. I suspect you would be happier." And so would we!
12. Because she misses his hands and he misses her face.
13. Because he'll never forgive her scumbag husband.
14. Because killing her husband is easy and Cesare doesn't want easy.
15. Because he's the first person in the family to hold her baby.
16. Because she doesn't need her baby-daddy when Cesare is around
17. Because he was pacing like a true father-to-be when she went into labor
18. Because she'll always have him
19. Because even history ships them. They're so canon.
20. Because he carried her over the threshold on her wedding night
21. Because they're the ideal lovers.

Wishlist;
* a family scene with Lucrezia, Cesare and the baby
* a dance laden with sexual tension
* a kiss on the lips
* secret whispers and clandestine trysts noticed by others
* rumors of incest spreading just to see Cesare and Lucrezia reactions
* a fight between them ending in a scene with lots of emotional tension
* angsty scene with the both of them crying
* jealous Lucrezia and jealous Cesare
* Cesare defending Lucrezia's honour, even what he is doing is mostly lying because something did happen. And vice versa.
* more reactions on how others perceive the relationship, e.g. Juan
* Cesare helping Lucrezia take care of the baby
* Lucrezia going after someone to protect Cesare
* Cesare killing someone because of his feelings for Lucrezia
* Lucrezia wishing the baby was Cesare's
* Lucrezia sitting on Cesare's lap at some official function

Future titles;"If you read the history, you find these two, this brother and sister, were utterly fascinated by each other. . . ." -- Neil Jordan, TVGuide.ca
". . . it's a story about two people who are absolutely enraptured with each other." -- Neil Jordan, TVGuide.ca
"I kind of want them to be almost the ideal lovers if they were not brother and sister . . . it's so protective as to being almost dangerous." (from Showtime clip, "Justified")
"I think we chose to play pure love." -- Francois Arnaud, nymag.com
"...they're so infatuated with each other and they're very physical in that relationship, but it's kind of childish in a way. " -- Francois Arnaud, nymag.com
"I think Holliday [Grainger, who plays Lucrezia] and I had a really strong chemistry from the start, and I just really enjoy working with her." -- Francois Arnaud, nymag.com
"There is a deep love and affection...They always have their hands in each other’s faces, but it is innocent.” -- Francois Arnaud, antcomic.com
"You must promise you'll be gentle, for this is love, not war, we are engaging in, my dear brother." -- Lucrezia, The Family
"...you, my dear sister, may teach me more about love and loyalty than I have learned so far..." -- Cesare, The Family
Though in every other instance [Cesare] was the aggressor, with [Lucrezia] - even here- he seemed under her power. -- The Family
"I can't imagine loving anyone as I love you in this moment." Lucrezia, The Family
"Come," [Cesare] said, drawing [Lucrezia] close. "I need you now. For you are what is real in my life." -- The Family
"It is not the pain of your kisses you see," she said. "They are the tears of my longing for you." -- Lucrezia, The Family
C: "To bed him is not the joy it is with me?" L: "My dear love, it is the difference between heaven and hell for me." -- The Family
"There will never be anyone like you for me, for you were my first love." -- Lucrezia to Cesare, The Family
"It was with you I first shared the secrets of my body, as well as the secrets of my heart and the most intimate thoughts of my mind." -- L to C, The Family
Suddenly the sweet face of his sister appeared, and he saw it as a sign, a symbol of their love. -- The Family
Her face had been the vision he'd followed into his victories. -- The Family
"I wish no barrier between us, my brother, my lover, my friend." -- Lucrezia, The Family
"...from this night on, all that is left of my passion will rest with you." -- L to C, The Family
"You must live for me... For what other reason should I live?" -- C to L, The Family
L: "Don't you love God, Cesare?" C: "More than I love you?" -- The Poisoned Chalice
L: "And when will I marry?" C: "Never, if I can help it." -- The Poisoned Chalice
"If anything happened to her... I'd die." -- Cesare, The Poisoned Chalice
L: "I think I shall never have another friend like him." C: "You'll always have me." -- The Moor
"If you hate beauty, dear sis, you must hate yourself." -- Cesare, The French King
L: "I've missed those hands." C: "And I've missed that face." -- Nessuno

Right? Nonie really outdid herself there with the graphics and the formatting. :nod:

Nonie

12-13-2011 07:21 PM

Me? No. It was Roxy who did the work :D

Thanks for starting the new thread :wiggle: :hug:

claire_bear2007

12-13-2011 09:05 PM

Yahooo!!! TFNT!! :slinkie::slinkie:

I love looking at that pretty OP :D

Nikki K

12-14-2011 03:59 AM

Oh my bad, thought you did the banner.

Anyway... where were we at?

Roxy87

12-14-2011 10:09 AM

TFTNT!

But why did you add a link to the Borgias in other media thread under the list of fanfics?

Nikki K

12-14-2011 10:13 AM

Because I made a comprehensive list of all The Borgias fanfiction out there in the opening post which I update on a frequent basis. So as you can clearly see I only put a link to the opening post with the fanfic links on here and not to the entire thread. If you looked at the OP - you will see that about 85 - 90% of that fanfiction is CL, a lot of things on the list that weren't mentioned on tumblr.

It's great to have a list of recs as on tumblr (because that's what I understood it was, yes? Even though for me for instance that is a platform I do not use at all, perhaps some other people have the same problem). Yet once you've read all that was recommended you might want to look for other things - hence a list with EVERYTHING (and please let me know when something slipped through my fingers but I work HARD on that not happening) - I check LJ, FF.net and AO3 regularly - is surely helpful so that you can look for other stuff beyond what was on the tumblr thing. Also I often find recs very one-sided - which is natural, since it's one person giving them.

ETA: I consider fanfiction on our show an extension of the show, yet it is another medium - people writing their own stuff - therefore fanfic links are placed there.

Additionally crosslinking threads on the board might be helpful in generating more posting volume when people visit and reply on other threads as well. :)

Nikki K

12-14-2011 11:31 AM

Perhaps to get into discussion again - we may expand on the wishlist Claire or Roxy have started?

Wishlist;

* a family scene with Lucrezia, Cesare and the baby
* a dance laden with sexual tension
* a kiss on the lips
* secret whispers and clandestine trysts noticed by others
* rumors of incest spreading just to see Cesare and Lucrezia reactions
* a fight between them ending in a scene with lots of emotional tension
* angsty scene with the both of them crying
* jealous Lucrezia and jealous Cesare
* Cesare defending Lucrezia's honour, even what he is doing is mostly lying because something did happen. And vice versa.
* more reactions on how others perceive the relationship, e.g. Juan
* Cesare helping Lucrezia take care of the baby
* Lucrezia going after someone to protect Cesare
* Cesare killing someone because of his feelings for Lucrezia
* Lucrezia wishing the baby was Cesare's
* Lucrezia sitting on Cesare's lap at some official function

Any more ideas? :)

Roxy87

12-14-2011 11:54 AM

Never mind

Nikki K

12-14-2011 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roxy87
(Post 60211808)

Yeah... it was just a question.... :/ I'm not sure all the snappiness was necessary.

I feel you read something into it, that really wasn't there, Roxy. What I wrote was not meant to be snappish at all. I thought you had a question and I merely tried to explain my reasons and answer you. Never would I ever want to make anyone uncomfortable. So I am heartily sorry my words were subject of such misinterpretation. However, I cannot deny that I understood your post as an attack on me. Therefore I tried to relax the situation by explaining my actions thoroughly. That was all. I am sorry you read something else into it that absolutely was not my intention. I hope we can move on from here. I certainly always enjoyed reading your posts and having discussions with you in this thread. :)

ETA: My subsequent post was merely to get the thread back on topic, which hopefully we can do now. :)

Nonie

12-15-2011 04:14 AM

Please play nice, you guys and try to get along. And I'm not saying this because I'm a Mod on this board. I genuinely like everybody here and it hurts my feelings when there's some tension going on because I like to keep this board a happy place for everyone.

I was polite. It was misunderstanding, not sure where it was coming from. For me it's done and dusted. :shrug:

That was my favourite scene. Perhaps the best scene in the whole series to me. On grounds of that scene alone I do not feel like I want to watch the next season. Mainly because they can only screw things up.

claire_bear2007

12-16-2011 01:00 AM

gaaah I miss them so much. On the upside, only two weeks to go 'til the US DVD release yaaaaay!!!

Nonie

12-16-2011 03:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by claire_bear2007
(Post 60243055)

gaaah I miss them so much. On the upside, only two weeks to go 'til the US DVD release yaaaaay!!!