Next small unity release due to holidays and bank holidays for Thursday (dash and panel fixes mostly)

Unity-2d release as well. Seems there is a crash at loading for beta1. It's fixed in trunk right now (bug #834001)

Software Center

OneConf rewriting for the gtk3 with the just landed design… Not sure it can make it as the changes are big (didrocks). Server should be in production right now

The new "GTK3" user interface is now the default (as of Software Center version 4.1.19)

Many good bug reports coming in helping us to find the remaining problem areas, things look quite good overall

The team is working hard in bugfixing mode now and quality is improving quickly

Kubuntu

X.org

IRC log Western edition

17:30:52 pitti https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-08-30
17:30:53 rodrigo_ o/
17:30:55 tremolux heyo
17:31:08 * kenvandine waves
17:31:12 pitti everyone feeling ready for beta?
17:31:16 kenvandine pitti, nothing to report
17:31:29 kenvandine hopefully a couple bug fixes this week
17:31:36 mterry hi
17:31:38 chrisccoulson \o
17:32:47 pitti kenvandine: ok, cool; are there any news wrt. the u1-installer?
17:33:16 pitti kenvandine: should the u1 packages be on the DVD, or do we also just want the installer there?
17:33:37 kenvandine just the installer
17:33:43 kenvandine i updated the seeds already
17:33:46 tkamppeter hi
17:34:03 kenvandine oh... DVD not CD
17:34:08 pitti rigth
17:34:20 kenvandine i assume the same... they motivation seems to be consistency with other platforms
17:34:32 pitti that's an argument I don't quite understand, but *shrug*
17:34:33 kenvandine s/they/their/
17:34:40 kenvandine yeah... oh well :/
17:34:47 pitti ubuntu can certainly ship with stuff that windows doesn't
17:34:51 pitti ok, anyway
17:35:00 kenvandine i expressed that concern...
17:35:06 kenvandine anyway
17:35:37 pitti kenvandine: perhaps this should be mentioned in the beta-1 release notes? or do you think it's obvious and self-explanatory enough?
17:36:00 kenvandine i think it is self-explanatory
17:36:13 kenvandine it looks like users see the same icon
17:36:18 kenvandine but clicking it lets them install
17:36:24 kenvandine i should test that from a live image
17:36:29 pitti *nod*, that would be great
17:36:34 kenvandine will do
17:36:37 pitti the current images should be quite stable, too
17:36:49 pitti didrocks: thanks for the Unity wiki update
17:36:55 didrocks you're welcome :)
17:37:09 BigWhale kenvandine!
17:37:14 pitti the release notes already talk about the new switcher, bug fixes, etc.; anything since a3 which is new and should be mentinoed?
17:37:16 didrocks nothing else to add, just tracking the unity-2d issue with QConf crash
17:37:20 kenvandine hey BigWhale, in a meeting now
17:37:37 didrocks pitti: the new lens functionnality, I'll edit it as I did for alpha3
17:37:51 BigWhale kenvandine, ok... let me know when you're free.
17:38:25 pitti didrocks: oh, right; appreciated, thanks
17:38:35 didrocks yw ;)
17:38:37 pitti didrocks: indeed we should mention the music lens
17:38:49 didrocks and the new filters
17:38:53 pitti didrocks: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview#Ubuntu_Desktop
17:39:01 didrocks pitti: thanks for the link, opening the tab :)
17:39:10 pitti so in general, we are quite hesitant to build new images now
17:39:23 pitti as we need to get them ready by tomorrow
17:39:32 didrocks oh?
17:39:45 pitti for mirroring, etc.
17:39:57 pitti and it's also quite a high cost to re-test everything
17:40:18 pitti so if there is something which entirely breaks the live system or installation and is impractical to fix with a dist-upgrade, please speak up now
17:40:26 pitti and we'll coordinate in #u-release
17:40:37 pitti alternates will get a rebuild in about 5 hours
17:41:20 didrocks seems that the unity-2d one is safe with the respawn, it should just get a pattern as you told
17:41:46 pitti didrocks: right, want me to do that, or are you on it?
17:41:55 pitti didrocks: I can do it if you toss me the bug #
17:42:37 didrocks pitti: not sure how this is doable, I can learn, but you will be more effective than I (bug #834045 and bug #834001)
17:42:38 pitti didrocks, tremolux: how's the oneconf integration coming along, any unexpected hurdles there which put it in jeopardy for b2?
17:42:38 ubot2` Launchpad bug 834045 in unity-2d "unity-2d-panel crashed with SIGSEGV in QConfSchema::findKey()" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/834045
17:42:39 ubot2` Launchpad bug 834001 in unity-2d "unity-2d-panel crashed with SIGSEGV in QConf::notify()" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/834001
17:42:52 pitti didrocks: thanks, will do after meeting
17:43:05 didrocks thanks :)
17:43:31 pitti tremolux: did you see a bug reporting impact since we switched to GTK3 by defualt? how is that holding up?
17:44:03 tremolux pitti: definitely we are getting a bunch of new reports, but it's quite manageable I think
17:45:01 pitti tremolux: ah, good; I was a bit afraid of getting flooded by crashers, etc.
17:45:06 tremolux we should be able to get things into good shape quickly, the team is working really hard on cleaning up the remaining issues
17:45:18 tremolux yep, it seems not so bad
17:45:30 tremolux I think the "technology preview" really helped there as well
17:45:39 tremolux as we got a bunch of reports early thanks to that
17:48:29 pitti didrocks, tremolux: did you see my q about oneconf?
17:48:36 pitti that seems to be a bit desperate?
17:48:52 didrocks I didn't see your question, just now?
17:49:12 tremolux yes, I have not checked with didrocks on it, I hope it is not too bad?
17:49:24 pitti pitti | didrocks, tremolux: how's the oneconf integration coming along, any unexpected hurdles there which put it in jeopardy for b2?
17:49:25 didrocks tremolux: it is bad :/
17:49:43 tremolux ug, sorry didrocks :(
17:49:45 didrocks tremolux: in addition, the design now mix the installed and the oneconf view
17:49:59 didrocks I'm making intrusive change and don't really like that at the last minute :/
17:50:13 tremolux didrocks: yeah
17:50:14 pedro_ pitti, didrocks both unity-2d bugs have a pattern now ;-)
17:50:16 didrocks adding treeviews and hpaned for respecting the design
17:50:21 didrocks pedro_: thanks :-)
17:50:23 pitti pedro_: ah, thanks
17:50:34 pedro_ you're welcome!
17:50:50 didrocks and I'm not really confident about the quality, there are part that would have been useful to check with mvo, but he's on vacation
17:51:33 didrocks so, an unoptimized version is possible for end of week, I hope
17:51:43 didrocks it will probably clutter a little bit the "installed" pane though
17:52:10 didrocks (and we will loose the "install all/remove all" buttons)
17:52:52 tremolux didrocks: ok, please be sure to tell me what I can do to help, I'm happy to test etc.
17:53:13 didrocks the server is also blocking on isd to be in production
17:53:34 didrocks so, I'm starting to freak out about the feature to be honest, but don't really want to postpone it once again :/
17:53:52 didrocks (for once, everything was ready and working)
17:54:06 tremolux yep, I know
17:54:08 didrocks tremolux: yeah, will tell you, thanks :)
17:56:16 pitti ok, AOB for today?
17:56:39 pitti just a general plea, please check http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/u/LPUSERNAME.html for your remaining WIs
17:56:53 pitti we have a lot of specs which just have one or two left and need these "last mile" wrapup
17:57:07 kenvandine pitti, one of my 2 left is being reviewed now
17:58:24 didrocks will recheck, but last time I check, I have none "unblocked" remaining for beta1
18:00:06 pitti ok, seems we are done
18:00:08 pitti thanks everyone!

IRC log Eastern edition

bryce__> meeting time?
[8:39 AM] <jasoncwarner_> bryce__: TheMuso robert_ancell RAOF
[8:39 AM] <jasoncwarner_> yes, meeting time!
[8:39 AM] <TheMuso> Yo
[8:39 AM] <RAOF> Ya
[8:39 AM] <jasoncwarner_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-08-30
[8:39 AM] <bryce__> heya
[8:40 AM] <jasoncwarner_> bryce__: (with the double underscore) and RAOF , want to update us on X?
[8:40 AM] <bryce__> sure
[8:41 AM] <bryce__> got xdiagnose 1.1 uploaded last week; going to do a 1.2 with some failsafe-x fixes
[8:41 AM] ↔ Sarvatt_ popped in
[8:42 AM] <bryce__> slight uptick in X bugs, but nothing widespread and severe
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[8:42 AM] <bryce__> we're seeing quite a few of the False GPU Lockup bugs
[8:43 AM] <bryce__> those will not be an issue once apport is turned off, however it would be nice to figure out why they're happening at all.
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[8:43 AM] <bryce__>
[8:43 AM] <bryce__> couple things we need to do looking forward the next few weeks
[8:43 AM] <RAOF> I've noticed we've been getting a number of Natty bugs where people have installed multi-arched nvidia drivers and then mesa updates blow up for them.
[8:44 AM] <bryce__> yeah
[8:44 AM] <bryce__> we have a bug open about needing to make nvidia multi-arch aware, but I bumped it to P
[8:45 AM] <bryce__> I assume it'd not be a simple (low risk) fix?
[8:45 AM] <RAOF> The proprietary drivers are already multi-arch aware; we've done that transition.
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[8:46 AM] <RAOF> What we *haven't* done is split the nvidia drivers into amd64 and i386 pieces, but we probably don't want to do that anyway.
[8:46 AM] <bryce__> RAOF, hmm, then perhaps the nvidia tasks just need closed?
[8:46 AM] <RAOF> bryce__: Quite possibly. Which is the bug you're thinking of?
[8:46 AM] <bryce__> let me find it
[8:47 AM] <bryce__> 807209
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[8:48 AM] <bryce__> RAOF, anyway, maybe take a look and update it with required tasks we need to do, or close it out if there's none?
[8:48 AM] <RAOF> Yeah, I'll do that.
[8:48 AM] <bryce__> couple other things
[8:48 AM] <bryce__> at UDS we talked about sticking 1.11 in a ppa prior to p-series opening
[8:48 AM] <RAOF> Yep.
[8:48 AM] <bryce__> xserver 1.11 was officially released a few days ago, and looks like it's in debian experimental, so just needs merge work
[8:48 AM] <bryce__> "just" :-)
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[8:49 AM] <RAOF> I think that Sarvatt has done some looking at that?
[8:49 AM] <bryce__> yeah Sarvatt said he'd be looking at it for xorg-edgers
[8:49 AM] <RAOF> Yeah. The big "just" is our multitouch XI 2.1 patches.
[8:50 AM] <bryce__> yeah, I was thinking we can omit those for now, get it into the ppa so we can start testing, and give chase & co time to update those patches
[8:50 AM] <RAOF> Which reminds me: in *awesome* news, it looks pretty likely that the multitouch protocol will land in XI 2.2 in Xserver 1.12! Soon I'll be able to stop worrying about shipping an X protocol that's not upstream in an LTS :)
[8:51 AM] * bryce__ holds off counting chickens
[8:51 AM] <bryce__> a second thing we'd talked about at UDS was updating the display drivers via x-updates into jockey post-release
[8:51 AM] <RAOF> Spoil sport :)
[8:51 AM] <jasoncwarner_> RAOF: really? when would we know that for sure? good if it happens! :)
[8:52 AM] <bryce__> so just curious on the status of that... probably a pitti question though
[8:54 AM] <RAOF> Yeah.
[8:54 AM] <jasoncwarner_> ok...anything else RAOF or bryce__ ?
[8:54 AM] <jasoncwarner_> if not, we can get to TheMuso and a11y?
[8:55 AM] <bryce__> RAOF, oh also curious if you ever got a chance to look at that projector detection (0x0 size) detection lib?
[8:55 AM] <RAOF> bryce__: Not really.
[8:55 AM] <TheMuso> Ok.
[8:56 AM] <RAOF> bryce__: I should dedicate some non-preemptible time to kicking that off.
[8:56 AM] <TheMuso> Not a lot has happened since last week's meeting, partly because I was on holiday last week, and aprtly because we are in beta freeze.
[8:56 AM] <TheMuso> Going to do a proper test of my ubiquity a11y work today with an official image. I actually wanted to on Monday, but the daily image didn't boot into ubiquity for some reason. Hopefully with the few ubiquity uploads since then, things have changed.
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[8:57 AM] <bryce__> RAOF, yeah, working on X there's so many bugs it can be hard to scratch out time for development work
[8:57 AM] <TheMuso> Been fixing a few packaging bugs that made their way into the at-spi stack, so now at least, upgrading from natty works in terms of a11y packages, although it appears a compix package is still holding up a successful upgrade...
[8:58 AM] <TheMuso> Sent a crasher upstream that users were getting with at-spi, and t has been fixed in the latest upstrea release of the at-spi stack, which will go in right after beta 1.
[8:59 AM] <TheMuso> Not much movement on the unity-2d bugs front, the few bugs that I filed recently, whilst having been confirmed and triaged, haven't seen fixes uploaded yet... Hopefully a new unity-2d release in the coming week will address them...
[8:59 AM] <broder> RAOF: FYI, you do look into a projector detection thing, make sure you're looking at a valid EDID. I've seen cases where a poorly seated connection -> EDID of all 0's, and if you jump straight to the physical size offset, you could get confused. Might be worth having a tri-state return value or something
[8:59 AM] <TheMuso> I also spent some time with robert_ancell yesterday working out some accessibility details for lightdm.
[9:00 AM] <jasoncwarner_> TheMuso: oh, cool...anything we can expect for oneiric?
[9:00 AM] <RAOF> broder: Right. My thinking was that it'd actually return a tuple (OUTPUT_TYPE, CONFIDENCE)
[9:00 AM] <broder> RAOF: +1 from me
[9:01 AM] <TheMuso> jasoncwarner_: Well it will be possible to have a screen reader running in lightdm for a start, and the user list and entering username/password is now accessible. There are still a few minor bugs that need sorting out, but are likely at-spi stack or orca related, so need to try again once I have updated orca to the latest upstream release.
[9:01 AM] <jasoncwarner_> ok
[9:01 AM] <jasoncwarner_> thanks
[9:01 AM] <jasoncwarner_> TheMuso: anything else?
[9:02 AM] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: Oh one thing I noticed yesterday but forgot to mention, was the fact that you aren not making use of the accessible description given for indicator entries.
[9:02 AM] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, what should the description contain?
[9:02 AM] <TheMuso> jasoncwarner_: A few more pulse bugfixes will be going in fater beta, coming from upstream.
[9:03 AM] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: The description is set by the indicators themselves to give a textual description of what they are for. So for example, the sound indicator gives a volume in percentage, the messages indicator lets a user know if there are new messages waiting, etc.
[9:03 AM] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, oh sorry, for the indicators - do I need to connect those or should it happen automatically?
[9:04 AM] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: YOu need to connect those. You want to assign the string IndicatorEntry->accessible_desc to the atk object representing the the GTK widget for the indicator object.
[9:05 AM] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: I remember finding the code for it yesterday. I'll cook up a patch if thats of any help.
[9:05 AM] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, please do
[9:05 AM] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: ok will do that today.
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[9:06 AM] <jasoncwarner_> TheMuso and robert_ancell should we roll into lightdm/unity_greeter?
[9:06 AM] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: what would you like to update?
[9:07 AM] <robert_ancell> So TheMuso stole my announcement :) We have a11y support in unity-greeter. It will need a ffe, but I don't expect it to be uncontrovercial
[9:07 AM] <robert_ancell> Other than that just working through the remaining bugs to get lightdm+unity-greeter in as good shape as possible for oneiric
[9:08 AM] <robert_ancell> I don't expect it to be controvercial
[9:08 AM] <robert_ancell> rather
[9:08 AM] <jasoncwarner_> :)
[9:08 AM] <jasoncwarner_> ok...veyr cool...
[9:09 AM] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: everything settled on unity-greeter design?
[9:09 AM] <jasoncwarner_> (ie. nothing being pushed too hard to be included at this late date? )
[9:10 AM] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner_, (just checking email). Not that I know of. There might be some minor things like strings, but they will have to follow freeze exception processes
[9:11 AM] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: alright.
[9:11 AM] <jasoncwarner_> thanks
[9:11 AM] <jasoncwarner_> anything else for anyone ?