So I suppose you are disconnecting from the internet and will no longer
use it at all.

This because every major internet company is almost certainly doing the
same thing you are complaining about Yahoo doing.

Governments, especially the US, will continue to "monitor" the internet,
legally or not.

Yahoo and others are simply trying to stay alive. A US company that did
not "cooperate" would suffer the wrath of the government. While I wish
they would stand up to the government and prevent this sort of
unjustifiable spying, it's not going to happen.

I am sorry to see you go, but your stated reason makes no sense, as
there is nowhere to go that does not have the same problem.

All the best.

Drew Gibson

Hi Brian, thanks for all your efforts over the years in keeping the list alive and well. It was the slug that got me into ARM computing years before it was

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Hi Brian,

thanks for all your efforts over the years in keeping the list alive and well. It was the slug that got me into ARM computing years before it was fashionable and that could not have happened without the invaluable tips and fixes I got from this list.

Others may feel that just because you're f*ck*d you should roll over and wave the white flag but even a token gesture is worthwhile to remind us all of what is coming down the pipe.

I respect your decision and wish you well in your future endeavours.

regards,

Drew

On 07/06/13, Harsh <harshbaste@...> wrote:

Its a safe bet that big brother has 100s of more inventive (and far more accurate) ways to monitor you. Cell phones, credit cards, GPS devices, your computer, your (snail) mail, etc. being the obvious ones. When all else fails, they can just monitor you via surveillance cameras all over the city and (now) probably drones.

Closing down your yahoo account is going to be a drop in the ocean if you want to avoid monitoring. To be really effective, I would recommend a deserted island somewhere in the middle of the Arctic sea where you cut off all contact with the outside world and grow your own food (assuming the spy satellites wont get you there either) ;-)

Just remain the moderator will you! This place runs
because of people like yourself and we are thankful :-)

So I suppose you are disconnecting from the internet and will no longer
use it at all.

This because every major internet company is almost certainly doing the
same thing you are complaining about Yahoo doing.

Governments, especially the US, will continue to "monitor" the internet,
legally or not.

Yahoo and others are simply trying to stay alive. A US company that did
not "cooperate" would suffer the wrath of the government. While I wish
they would stand up to the government and prevent this sort of
unjustifiable spying, it's not going to happen.

I am sorry to see you go, but your stated reason makes no sense, as
there is nowhere to go that does not have the same problem.

All the best.

Drew Gibson

I guess Big Brother IS listening. :-} The message below originally included a quotation for all the surrender-monkeys: Due to their excellent understanding of

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I guess Big Brother IS listening. :-} The message below originally included a quotation for all the surrender-monkeys:

"Due to their excellent understanding of the regional topography and bison behaviour, native people hunted bison by stampeding them over a precipice. They then carved up the carcasses and dragged the pieces to be butchered and processed in the butchering camp set up on the flats beyond the cliffs."

thanks for all your efforts over the years in keeping the list alive and well. It was the slug that got me into ARM computing years before it was fashionable and that could not have happened without the invaluable tips and fixes I got from this list.

Others may feel that just because you're f*ck*d you should roll over and wave the white flag but even a token gesture is worthwhile to remind us all of what is coming down the pipe.

I respect your decision and wish you well in your future endeavours.

regards,

Drew

On 07/06/13, Harsh <harshbaste@...> wrote:

Its a safe bet that big brother has 100s of more inventive (and far more accurate) ways to monitor you. Cell phones, credit cards, GPS devices, your computer, your (snail) mail, etc. being the obvious ones. When all else fails, they can just monitor you via surveillance cameras all over the city and (now) probably drones.

Closing down your yahoo account is going to be a drop in the ocean if you want to avoid monitoring. To be really effective, I would recommend a deserted island somewhere in the middle of the Arctic sea where you cut off all contact with the outside world and grow your own food (assuming the spy satellites wont get you there either) ;-)

Just remain the moderator will you! This place runs
because of people like yourself and we are thankful :-)

So I suppose you are disconnecting from the internet and will no longer
use it at all.

This because every major internet company is almost certainly doing the
same thing you are complaining about Yahoo doing.

Governments, especially the US, will continue to "monitor" the internet,
legally or not.

Yahoo and others are simply trying to stay alive. A US company that did
not "cooperate" would suffer the wrath of the government. While I wish
they would stand up to the government and prevent this sort of
unjustifiable spying, it's not going to happen.

I am sorry to see you go, but your stated reason makes no sense, as
there is nowhere to go that does not have the same problem.

All the best.

Drew Gibson

but I m not trying to hide. I just don t like all the insidious data gathering and the wildly inaccurate inferences made therefrom. regards, Drew Sent from my

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but I'm not trying to hide.

I just don't like all the insidious data gathering and the wildly inaccurate inferences made therefrom.

I'd be a little careful of guarding my own privacy online before passing judgements to that effect about others on a public forum. For starters I'd remove my company email address from the subscription list.

Might I recommend a Yahoo address - it at least wont trace you back to your workplace (and possibly your home) in Burlington, Ontario Canada.

I guess Big Brother IS listening. :-} The message below originally included a quotation for all the surrender-monkeys:

"Due to their excellent understanding of the regional topography and bison behaviour, native people hunted bison by stampeding them over a precipice. They then carved up the carcasses and dragged the pieces to be butchered and processed in the butchering camp set up on the flats beyond the cliffs."

thanks for all your efforts over the years in keeping the list alive and well. It was the slug that got me into ARM computing years before it was fashionable and that could not have happened without the invaluable tips and fixes I got from this list.

Others may feel that just because you're f*ck*d you should roll over and wave the white flag but even a token gesture is worthwhile to remind us all of what is coming down the pipe.

Its a safe bet that big brother has 100s of more inventive (and far more accurate) ways to monitor you. Cell phones, credit cards, GPS devices, your computer, your (snail) mail, etc. being the obvious ones. When all else fails, they can just monitor you via surveillance cameras all over the city and (now) probably drones.

Closing down your yahoo account is going to be a drop in the ocean if you want to avoid monitoring. To be really effective, I would recommend a deserted island somewhere in the middle of the Arctic sea where you cut off all contact with the outside world and grow your own food (assuming the spy satellites wont get you there either) ;-)

Just remain the moderator will you!
This place runs
because of people like yourself and we are thankful :-)

On 6/7/13 1:34 AM, Inge Arnesen wrote:
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> Due
> to http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data I'm
> terminating my Yahoo account and will no longer be able to moderate
> nslu2-linux. Thanks for all the years together with the little NAS that
> could!
>
> all the best,
>
> Bob_tm
So I suppose you are disconnecting from the internet and will no longer
use it at all.
This because every major internet company is almost certainly doing the
same thing you are complaining about Yahoo doing.
Governments, especially the US, will continue to "monitor" the internet,
legally or not.
Yahoo and others are simply trying to stay alive. A US company that did
not "cooperate" would suffer the wrath of the government. While I wish
they would stand up to the government and prevent this sort of
unjustifiable spying, it's not going to happen.
I am sorry to see you go, but your stated reason makes no sense, as
there is nowhere to go that does not have the same problem.
All the best.

M.J. Johnson

Returning to a more on-topic discussion, is the implication that this list will end without participation of the original moderator? Can t we just change

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Returning to a more on-topic discussion, is the implication that this list will end without participation of the original moderator? Can't we just change moderators? I find this list to be a valuable resource, and would like to see it continue...

Thanks.

On Sunday, June 9, 2013, Drew Gibson wrote:

but I'm not trying to hide.

I just don't like all the insidious data gathering and the wildly inaccurate inferences made therefrom.

I'd be a little careful of guarding my own privacy online before passing judgements to that effect about others on a public forum. For starters I'd remove my company email address from the subscription list.

Might I recommend a Yahoo address - it at least wont trace you back to your workplace (and possibly your home) in Burlington, Ontario Canada.

I guess Big Brother IS listening. :-} The message below originally included a quotation for all the surrender-monkeys:

"Due to their excellent understanding of the regional topography and bison behaviour, native people hunted bison by stampeding them over a precipice. They then carved up the carcasses and dragged the pieces to be butchered and processed in the butchering camp set up on the flats beyond the cliffs."

thanks for all your efforts over the years in keeping the list alive and well. It was the slug that got me into ARM computing years before it was fashionable and that could not have happened without the invaluable tips and fixes I got from this list.

Others may feel that just because you're f*ck*d you should roll over and wave the white flag but even a token gesture is worthwhile to remind us all of what is coming down the pipe.

Its a safe bet that big brother has 100s of more inventive (and far more accurate) ways to monitor you. Cell phones, credit cards, GPS devices, your computer, your (snail) mail, etc. being the obvious ones. When all else fails, they can just monitor you via surveillance cameras all over the city and (now) probably drones.

Closing down your yahoo account is going to be a drop in the ocean if you want to avoid monitoring. To be really effective, I would recommend a deserted island somewhere in the middle of the Arctic sea where you cut off all contact with the outside world and grow your own food (assuming the spy satellites wont get you there either) ;-)

Just remain the moderator will you!
This place runs
because of people like yourself and we are thankful :-)

-H

Mike Westerhof (mwester)

There are other moderators. The list goes on. This one thanks you for returning this conversation to a more pertinent line of discussion. :) -Mike (mwester)

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There are other moderators. The list goes on.

This one thanks you for returning this conversation to a more pertinent
line of discussion. :)

-Mike (mwester)

On 6/9/2013 10:25 AM, M.J. Johnson wrote:
>
>
> Returning to a more on-topic discussion, is the implication that this
> list will end without participation of the original moderator? Can't we
> just change moderators? I find this list to be a valuable resource, and
> would like to see it continue...
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Sunday, June 9, 2013, Drew Gibson wrote:
>
> __
>
> but I'm not trying to hide.
>
> I just don't like all the insidious data gathering and the wildly
> inaccurate inferences made therefrom.
>
> regards,
>
> Drew
>
>
> Sent from my phone
>
> On 2013-06-09, at 4:34 AM, Harsh <harshbaste@...> wrote:
>
>> Hi Drew,
>> Is this you?
>> http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/drew-gibson/40/a65/907
>> I'd be a little careful of guarding my own privacy online before
>> passing judgements to that effect about others on a public forum.
>> For starters I'd remove my company email address from the
>> subscription list.
>> Might I recommend a Yahoo address - it at least wont trace you
>> back to your workplace (and possibly your home) in Burlington,
>> Ontario Canada.
>> -H
>> *From:* Drew Gibson <aggibson@...>
>> *To:* nslu2-linux@yahoogroups.com
>> *Sent:* Sunday, 9 June 2013 1:24 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [nslu2-linux] Goodbye from a moderator
>> __
>> I guess Big Brother IS listening. :-} The message below originally
>> included a quotation for all the surrender-monkeys:
>> __
>> "Due to their excellent understanding of the regional topography
>> and bison behaviour, native people hunted bison by stampeding them
>> over a precipice. They then carved up the carcasses and dragged
>> the pieces to be butchered and processed in the butchering camp
>> set up on the flats beyond the cliffs."
>> ref: Head-Smashed-In Buffalo Jump -
>> http://history.alberta.ca/headsmashedin/
>> ____On 08/06/13, *Drew Gibson * <aggibson@...> wrote:
>>> Hi Brian,
>>> __
>>> thanks for all your efforts over the years in keeping the list
>>> alive and well. It was the slug that got me into ARM computing
>>> years before it was fashionable and that could not have happened
>>> without the invaluable tips and fixes I got from this list.
>>> __
>>> Others may feel that just because you're f*ck*d you should roll
>>> over and wave the white flag but even a token gesture is
>>> worthwhile to remind us all of what is coming down the pipe.
>>> __
>>> __
>>> I respect your decision and wish you well in your future endeavours.
>>> __
>>> regards,
>>> __
>>> Drew
>>> ____On 07/06/13, *Harsh * <harshbaste@...> wrote:
>>>> Its a safe bet that big brother has 100s of more inventive (and
>>>> far more accurate) ways to monitor you. Cell phones, credit
>>>> cards, GPS devices, your computer, your (snail) mail, etc. being
>>>> the obvious ones. When all else fails, they can just monitor you
>>>> via surveillance cameras all over the city and (now) probably
>>>> drones.
>>>> Closing down your yahoo account is going to be a drop in the
>>>> ocean if you want to avoid monitoring. To be really effective, I
>>>> would recommend a deserted island somewhere in the middle of the
>>>> Arctic sea where you cut off all contact with the outside world
>>>> and grow your own food (assuming the spy satellites wont get you
>>>> there either) ;-)
>>>> Just remain the moderator will you! This place runs because of
>>>> people like yourself and we are thankful :-)
>>>> -H
>>>> __
>>>>
>
>
>

> There are other moderators. The list goes on.
>
> This one thanks you for returning this conversation to a more pertinent
> line of discussion. :)
>
> -Mike (mwester)
>
>
> On 6/9/2013 10:25 AM, M.J. Johnson wrote:
>>
>>
>> Returning to a more on-topic discussion, is the implication that this
>> list will end without participation of the original moderator? Can't we
>> just change moderators? I find this list to be a valuable resource, and
>> would like to see it continue...
>>
>> Thanks.

[Much stuff snipped while listening to Schubert's Unfinished.]
Hello!
I quite agree Mike even though technically I'm only a participant
running a frustrated Pogo Plug.