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I hope everyone is paying attention to their congressional races too. I watched Ohio's debate between Mandel and Brown and it'll be horried if the little twerp Mandel wins. He loudly and proudly denounces homosexuality.

Agreed, I believe the congressional candidate are way more important than who is President. Ideally, he cannot do anything without congressional approval. He cannot introduce a bill unless he has a congressman do it for him. Here in Texas there is a major senate race. The incumbent is retiring so it will be a new face..

This has actually been a pretty peaceful campaign for me since I don't live in a swing state. The NY Times blog put my state as having a 99.5% chance of voting for Obama. Thankfully that means neither campaign has run one tv commercial here. Sometimes ignorance is bliss!!

However, gay marriage is on the ballot here and I have been forced to watch either: gay people are trying to corrupt your children (infuriating) or that gay people arejust like everyone else (also infuriating).

yes Bug, that is very nice, i'm in Texas and we don't get all those ads or visitations by the candidates, so on that aspect its very nice. i went to colorado couple weeks ago for work for a few days and the ads are just CRAZY, almost every commercial was a Obama ad and a few Romney ones thrown in.

I can understand that bedrock "Amercians" fear things european and socialisty and scary. But look at it this way. Currently we got an industrialized developed world that manages to deliver universal care. Maybe 20 or 30 years from now it will all go to hell in handbasket (the dreaded plight of Greece, people seem to think) but during those 20 or 30 years you did what was right for your fellow citizens. Too much fear of the future and the new and change, leads to too many people getting short shrift while doing nothing.

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“From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need” 1875 K Marx

If things in the US continue on the same path, at some point the income and health discrepancy will become to much to ignore. You would think American politicians would have studied history (the American revolution, the French revolution) to know they wont stay in power for long if your people are sick and broke while the privilege class ignores it.

They both looked presidential, at least. What happened to Mitt's spray tan? He's looking quite pale. More than once, he also looked like a morph of Beavis and Butt-head.

Ann is horrific. That is one Stepford wifey Morman.

Please don't let the USA elect that clown, that soulless robot, that plutocrat cesspool of hypocrisy and empty rhetoric.

If anything, this shows the difference between the Obamas' meritocracy generation of Ivy grads and the Romney noblesse oblige gentleman C navel gazing dimwits. I thought Bush was the last time we would see that breed. Won't they all please f*cking retire to Maine or die....

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“From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need” 1875 K Marx

Watching the post-debate coverage with these undecided voters is frustrating. They come in saying they were leaning toward one candidate, but are now leaning the other way. Or, they still don't know. This close to the election, if this is going to be a coin toss for them, perhaps they should just stay home.

They are low-information voters, but have a lot of power. By this point, you should know the differences between the two, and how those differences apply to you. As we know, the differences are HUGE. I don't understand them. It appears they are voters who believe they have a duty to vote. No one should feel they must vote, especially if you're just going to flip a coin. Or, base your vote on how "respectful" the candidate was or whether he interrupted too much.

When a right-winger cancels out my vote, I get they were passionate about wanting to take away a woman's right to choose, take away gay rights, give the wealthy even more wealth, or get us into more wars. It just seems more frustrating when someone cancels out my vote, who just played innie, minnie, miny, moe.

Watching the post-debate coverage with these undecided voters is frustrating. They come in saying they were leaning toward one candidate, but are now leaning the other way. Or, they still don't know. This close to the election, if this is going to be a coin toss for them, perhaps they should just stay home.

They are low-information voters, but have a lot of power. By this point, you should know the differences between the two, and how those differences apply to you. As we know, the differences are HUGE. I don't understand them. It appears they are voters who believe they have a duty to vote. No one should feel they must vote, especially if you're just going to flip a coin. Or, base your vote on how "respectful" the candidate was or whether he interrupted too much.

When a right-winger cancels out my vote, I get they were passionate about wanting to take away a woman's right to choose, take away gay rights, give the wealthy even more wealth, or get us into more wars. It just seems more frustrating when someone cancels out my vote, who just played innie, minnie, miny, moe.

You live in Kentucky -- your vote for Obama already doesn't "matter". Hopefully my vote for him in Virginia will enable his reelection.

But really -- maybe, just maybe, these undecided voters are actually being thoughtful -- perhaps they like some things about both candidates and dislike some things about both. Perhaps they like neither and are wrestling with picking the "lesser of 2 evils", in their opinion.

After the never ending political ads, the thing that I am most sick of in this election cycle is listening to people (on all sides), vilify, ridicule and dismiss people with differing opinions from their own. To suggest that someone should not vote because they lack "passion" or are actually trying to come to a decision, later than you or I, is insane - we need more engagement, not less by all voters.

We (hubby and I) pretty much missed the debate.We were too busy eating and drinking too much on day 1 of our mini vacation in Ogunquit Maine.First day of vacation tends to be either an early bed night or the complete opposite for stress relief.

Wish it would have been an early bed night.

Seems like Obama must have done a good job from what I am watching this morning.

Mike, we will just have to disagree on this. Studies show undecided voters are low information voters. Of course they have every right to vote as anyone else. I don't think everyone should vote, though. I really don't believe in these campaigns that everyone must vote. If you're going in and tossing a coin, perhaps you should just go to the park instead.

I am thinking about voting in Indiana. I am still registered there and I still have an Indiana license. My vote would matter more there.

Its not just undecided voters although it is frustrating that during a close election so much attention is focused on people who are, as you call them, low information voters (thats very PC of you by the way). Watching the "focus groups" of undecided voters after the debates is enough to make me crazy.

A huge number of people ignore policy when deciding who to vote for and instead focus on style. Remember how many people voted for Bush because he was seen as more approachable and the person they would rather have a beer with?

A huge number of people ignore policy when deciding who to vote for and instead focus on style. Remember how many people voted for Bush because he was seen as more approachable and the person they would rather have a beer with?

... So it was sort of relaxing and informative to watch the foreign policy debate with my 9-year-old Violet, who is at that phase of life when she views the world entirely through the lens of Harry Potter.

It started in the last debate when she said of Mitt Romney, after hearing him talk for a few minutes: “He’s Umbridge!” And of course I saw exactly what she meant, the brittle, lacquered, self-satisfied smile of the ambitious Dark Arts professor and passionate ministry bureaucrat, Dolores Umbridge. The saccharine, almost-girlish chuckle. The proclamations she issues at Hogwarts, the self-important talk about “the ministry this” and “the ministry that.” The classes doomed to read out loud instead of learning the spells they desperately need. The moment where she makes Harry write lines into his own skin with a pen that draws real blood, all the while smiling that fake and brittle smile. Then of course there is her interest in Muggle Registration, and protecting “pureblood” wizards from the dilution and compromise of human blood.

Last night at the end of the debate, when Ann Romney came up onstage in her green-patterned, 1950s-style skirt, with her anxious expression and pained smile, Violet saw Petunia Dursley, that manic perversion of ’50s housewifery, meanly maternal, protective of the wrong people. ...