Trade Rumours and Proposals Thread Part 17: What does "bold" mean?

I'd still take him, he could be playing injured? Either way he'd bring some elements to the team that we sorely lack. I surely wouldn't deal any of our big 5 for him though.

Other then size he hasn't brought anything to this series. He's not his usual self where he's running over everything in sight. Can't help but think his new contract may have gone to his head and he things he getting paid to score goals instead of running over anything that moves. It's pretty sad when guys I've never heard of on the Leafs are playing more physical then the guy who's known for it.

Other then size he hasn't brought anything to this series. He's not his usual self where he's running over everything in sight. Can't help but think his new contract may have gone to his head and he things he getting paid to score goals instead of running over anything that moves. It's pretty sad when guys I've never heard of on the Leafs are playing more physical then the guy who's known for it.

We all know that he has it in him, every player has seasons that are less productive than their previous ones. He's young enough that he should rebound well.

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Originally Posted by raab

And now he scores a big goal for the team by going to the net.

Bingo, he can still be useful and is likely one of their top scorers in this series.

Exactly, if he was playing at his best there's no way that we could call Chiarelli without him wanting to kick MacT in the balls for even calling about him.

The other thing is that if Boston gets punted in the first round, there will be changes, especially with all the rumours that Lucic could have been available before the deadline. Not sure I buy that, but he has fallen far in the eyes of Bruin fans.

The other thing is that if Boston gets punted in the first round, there will be changes, especially with all the rumours that Lucic could have been available before the deadline. Not sure I buy that, but he has fallen far in the eyes of Bruin fans.

It's because of this and their excess of toughness that I am hoping that Toronto takes them out. If we could land Lucic and sign Horton that would give us an interesting potential top 6:

Hall-RNH-Eberle
Lucic-Horton-Yakupov

deal Gagner and Hemsky for help on D or in the bottom 6.

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Originally Posted by dustrock

Both Horton & Lucic have been better in this series than they have for most of the season.

It's ironically the Bergeron line, which carried them during the season, which has disappeared.

Yup, that said it doesn't mean that the regular season has been forgotten by management.

Nice idea here, sending back an LD to WAS in this deal. Value's probably fair here as well. I just think WAS is too reliant on Alzner's role as their top LD to move him.

I don't know if they get desperate enough to do this if Ribeiro leaves. I think they just move Johansson to 2C and try to fill that 1RW role with a UFA of some sort. Maybe Kuznetsov comes over sometime soon, he'll be instantly ready to be 2C.

Starting Lander at 3C is a risky move, I'd probably just stick with Horcoff for now, or buy him out and sign a Max Lapierre or something in that role.

I'm starting to think that maybe it's possible that the Blues would do Nick Schultz + 1st in 2013 for Shattenkirk.

If they did that, and then we signed, say, Scuderi and Hainsey:

Smid-Shattenkirk
Scuderi-J.Schultz
Hainsey-Petry
Potter/Klefbom

Not only is STL going to keep Shattenkirk, the value you proposed was bad.

Shattenkirk is basically a top-pairing defenseman playing 2nd pairing due to Pietrangelo's presence. He's better than MDZ, who's been brought up on this board already, and is going to cost more than Nick Schultz and 7th overall to acquire.

Young puck-moving defensemen that put up 40+ pts, play the PP, and can play top pairing type of role don't come for cheap.

If they move Shatty it's probably in a package for one of the big-4 F's, or J.Schultz+

I believe that he played C at some point in Florida and was drafted as a C as well.

He's had 1 season since his rookie year that he's taken over 85 faceoffs and was 43.7%. He's taken 32 faceoffs in the last 3 years.
I just think we're already too weak of a faceoff team to be experimenting

Not only is STL going to keep Shattenkirk, the value you proposed was bad.

Shattenkirk is basically a top-pairing defenseman playing 2nd pairing due to Pietrangelo's presence. He's better than MDZ, who's been brought up on this board already, and is going to cost more than Nick Schultz and 7th overall to acquire.

Young puck-moving defensemen that put up 40+ pts, play the PP, and can play top pairing type of role don't come for cheap.

If they move Shatty it's probably in a package for one of the big-4 F's, or J.Schultz+

Generally speaking I agree with you - it depends what ownership wants to do with their team.

The problem is, Martin struggled for one season. Volchenkov has had multiple seasons of uninspired play. He looks timid and his normally sound defensive acumen doesn't seem to be there.

For the record, I would've given Martin another shot. Same with Myers (writing off a 23 y/o with his tools is absurd).

I wonder if Brooks Orpik could be had from the Pens though...

I agree. Volchenkov has struggled since the day he got to NJ. Well maybe not struggled, but underachieved. Volchenkov played the least amount of minutes per game this year. In the playoffs last year he was a #6 d-man and in the regular season he was barely playing more than Kurtis Foster. If it weren't for his PK time he'd be outright useless. If you can sign him as a #6/#7 to a one year deal at 700k then fine take a chance on him, otherwise nope.

I too wanted to take a chance on Martin.

As for moving Orpik, I think it would be a mistake. He is their shutdown d-man and they really would miss him. As it is I'd be looking at who can be brought in to help with the shutdown part next year if I'm Shero.

He's had 1 season since his rookie year that he's taken over 85 faceoffs and was 43.7%. He's taken 32 faceoffs in the last 3 years.
I just think we're already too weak of a faceoff team to be experimenting

He took 850 draws in 08-09, 43% though.

It was my impression that with Weiss, Jokinen, Nieuwendyk and Stumpel that Horton to center was the best fit for the Panthers.

At this point I don't think you want him as a center though. An option if injuries occur sure, but not as an everyday center.