I'd say that 'hurl vitriol' or 'spew bile' as a proposed plan for the future would be very unprofessional, and would get him in trouble, if he wasn't a Republican in a party that doesn't see those as bad things. But he didn't say those, he said something far worse.

Wangiss:Some con decoded it in the other thread: he does know about it. His was a ham-handed attempt to contrast a genuine war on women, one that actually uses acid, with the American "war on women" in which that shiat never happens and folks whine about free contraception.

Listen asshole- if someone needs to "decode" your message to make sure you aren't actually threatening elected representatives with deadly assault, you shouldn't be a spokesperson for a United States Congresswoman.

I'd like to cut your cock off with my hatchet and stuff it up your ass sideways.

Oh I get it now. Until some one actually Hurls acid in someones face, up until that point, the Repubs are the victims of the Liberal Media. After that they "Might" feel that they MAY have crossed some arbitrary PC line that Libs seem to change every other day. I get it now!

Until we get caught it doesnt count!

\ or when a 9 YO girl dies\\ DONT RETREAT RELOAD!\\\ I know it just doesnt make sense when you cant blame it on Obama...

And finally, for anyone still reprehensible enough to defend this craven act "ahem" - Shut that denture-filled cock-holster you call a mouth you withered up bag of blackened bitter shiat and get in the farking coffin so we can pat you in the face with a shovel and say good riddance to your narrow-minded farkknuckle view of the world.

Heraclitus:Oh I get it now. Until some one actually Hurls acid in someones face, up until that point, the Repubs are the victims of the Liberal Media. After that they "Might" feel that they MAY have crossed some arbitrary PC line that Libs seem to change every other day. I get it now!

No, it'll be an isolated incident and suggesting that it has any relationship to the American right-wing whatsoever is LIIIIIBS being hateful communist nazis.

Its not that the comments were taken out of context that is so damaging but that taken *in* context of the political environment we exist (largely created by the very conservatives its now damaging) its beyond damning. We live in a world where muslim extremists *do* throw acid in the face of their women who don't abide by their medieval mores, we live in a world where we are at war with this "religion of hate", we live in a environment where there is a alleged conservative War on Women in this country and they should at least be aware of the accusation even if they disagree with it. Wrap it all up and that was a monumentally stupid and self-destructive thing to say. This spokesman needs to not only be let go but his career as a political operative effectively ended.

The last time I've seen someone step on such a huge political landmine of their own planting was.. I'm going to hafta go with Bush Jr's plan to sell 6 major US seaports to Dubai after spending years bashing everything middle-eastern and declaring how openly unsafe our borders and ports were to terrorist attack. Forgetting one's own propaganda is a no-no.

what_now:Wangiss: Some con decoded it in the other thread: he does know about it. His was a ham-handed attempt to contrast a genuine war on women, one that actually uses acid, with the American "war on women" in which that shiat never happens and folks whine about free contraception.

Listen asshole- if someone needs to "decode" your message to make sure you aren't actually threatening elected representatives with deadly assault, you shouldn't be a spokesperson for a United States Congresswoman.

I'd like to cut your cock off with my hatchet and stuff it up your ass sideways.

Decode that, dipshiat.

You're one of the more thought-out people on this site, there's no need for you to go libbynomore2 on them and resort to their level. They already play victim enough without this stuff. You're better than that.

what_now:Wangiss: Some con decoded it in the other thread: he does know about it. His was a ham-handed attempt to contrast a genuine war on women, one that actually uses acid, with the American "war on women" in which that shiat never happens and folks whine about free contraception.

Listen asshole- if someone needs to "decode" your message to make sure you aren't actually threatening elected representatives with deadly assault, you shouldn't be a spokesperson for a United States Congresswoman.

I'd like to cut your cock off with my hatchet and stuff it up your ass sideways.

what_now:Which is exactly what this asshole was saying. Why do you support this? Seriously, why are you still defending this piece of shiat?

His policies, no. I'm a registered Democrat mostly because there are few if any GOP policies I actually sympathize with at this point.

His ability to speak the English language without being harassed over unintended meanings derived from bullshiat reductionist logic worthy of tweedle-dum and tweedle-dee? I guess yes. I tend to think that you should argue against what people _actually_ say, not what you imagine they're saying because you're playing word-association games in your head.

I would say that there's no way this guy condones outright battery, but it is the GOP, so who knows. Let's say that there's not way he intentionally explicitly condoned outright battery in writing and go with that. So pretending he does is disingenuous at best.

"Vitriol" is an old-timey word for sulfuric acid, which was actually used as a weapon at least once in 1870s Paris, according to this abstract.

TMYK...

It certainly could have been a "dog-whistle", but , by the same logic, are those insisting on his being "fired" suggesting that his employer return with him to his dwelling and set his house and belongings aflame?

Ah, but "fired" and "vitriol" have lost their original meanings; "throwing acid" has not.

The dog-whistle was the use of the phrase "liberal media" by TaliNan.

Agreed, but it is possible for the less eloquent to turn "hurl vitriol" into "throwing acid".

Possible, perhaps. Then again, maybe he thought "vitriol" was one of those old-timey soft drinks, like Moxie.

He's obviously a horrible spokesman and likely a dick, but could he reallybe so stupid as to think that he could get away with being that much of a dick? I hope he's just not very well-spoken.

He's working for a GOP member of Congress; being a dick, whether evil or stupid, isn't a job requirement, but it sure seems to help one fit in with a lot of the active Republicans I know.

Bill Murray said I was weird:You're one of the more thought-out people on this site, there's no need for you to go libbynomore2 on them and resort to their level. They already play victim enough without this stuff. You're better than that.

I know. But this...this is really disgusting. I'm sick of the right wing lowering the bar OVER AND OVER again, and people defending it. I feel like there is NOTHING these people could do or say that would make their supporters stop and actually think about what they're doing to this country!

We had a man shoot at a crowd because he didn't like his CongresswomanWe had a man walk into a church and open fire because he thought Democrats would be there.

The GOP has spent the past two years trying to roll back women's rights and force the vast majority of this country into grinding, generational poverty, and when you complain they attack you.

A woman testifies in front of Congress about health care issues, and the GOP spends a week calling her a slut.

And now this. Acid attacks. The very thing that religious conservatives use to keep women afraid, to keep women docile, to keep women from voting or getting an education. Today's GOP is advocating acid attacks against women, because they don't want them voting.

And no one- not a single member of the Republican party- has denounced it.

Could be that I naively refuse to believe that American political discourse has reached the point where spokesmen openly suggest disfiguring women with acid. Although, with this "for us or agin us" mentality running rampant on both sides of any issue, I shouldn't be suprised.

Could be that I naively refuse to believe that American political discourse has reached the point where spokesmen openly suggest disfiguring women with acid. Although, with this "for us or agin us" mentality running rampant on both sides of any issue, I shouldn't be suprised.

Mrbogey:Pharque-it: I do not say this often but...YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!!

I know it must seem idiotic to try and communicate with these complete morons here but bear with me. I think some of them are capable of understanding at above a ninth grade level.

No, no. You're just a retarded apologist who is literally making no sense.

Your claim is the following:

1. A public spokesperson2. Who has previously written an article about messaging, knowing you're always in the public profile, and controlling the tone when a supporter goes off reservation3. Both of which demonstrate he knows full well the value of public messaging and a press corps4. 'Accidentally' makes a mangled metaphor that has no relational basis to any known metaphor in the human language5. Because a single word in his sentence, if surrounded by entirely different words, none of which he used, could mean something different6. He therefore meant that different thing he never said, and also7. Forgot his entire experience and core competencies as a spokesperson.

The above presentation has been an entry in Mojo's popular "Things That Are Ridiculous, Bordering on the Retarded" list. Next up, you.

what_now:Bill Murray said I was weird: You're one of the more thought-out people on this site, there's no need for you to go libbynomore2 on them and resort to their level. They already play victim enough without this stuff. You're better than that.

I know. But this...this is really disgusting. I'm sick of the right wing lowering the bar OVER AND OVER again, and people defending it. I feel like there is NOTHING these people could do or say that would make their supporters stop and actually think about what they're doing to this country!

We had a man shoot at a crowd because he didn't like his CongresswomanWe had a man walk into a church and open fire because he thought Democrats would be there.

The GOP has spent the past two years trying to roll back women's rights and force the vast majority of this country into grinding, generational poverty, and when you complain they attack you.

A woman testifies in front of Congress about health care issues, and the GOP spends a week calling her a slut.

And now this. Acid attacks. The very thing that religious conservatives use to keep women afraid, to keep women docile, to keep women from voting or getting an education. Today's GOP is advocating acid attacks against women, because they don't want them voting.

And no one- not a single member of the Republican party- has denounced it.

It's disgusting,

I agree with every word of this.

Beats me what to do with these terrorists. It's a bit late to swear never to vote Republican again.. I did that nearly 8 years ago, and renewed it dozens of times since. But they don't need the support of most people.. just a few crazed billionaires to buy them elections.

If the person you hired to act as a spokesman for your campaign is saying shait like this, regardless of what they claim the context is, shouldn't you be handing them a pink slip rather than defending them?

what_now:Bill Murray said I was weird: You're one of the more thought-out people on this site, there's no need for you to go libbynomore2 on them and resort to their level. They already play victim enough without this stuff. You're better than that.

I know. But this...this is really disgusting. I'm sick of the right wing lowering the bar OVER AND OVER again, and people defending it. I feel like there is NOTHING these people could do or say that would make their supporters stop and actually think about what they're doing to this country!

We had a man shoot at a crowd because he didn't like his CongresswomanWe had a man walk into a church and open fire because he thought Democrats would be there.

The GOP has spent the past two years trying to roll back women's rights and force the vast majority of this country into grinding, generational poverty, and when you complain they attack you.

A woman testifies in front of Congress about health care issues, and the GOP spends a week calling her a slut.

And now this. Acid attacks. The very thing that religious conservatives use to keep women afraid, to keep women docile, to keep women from voting or getting an education. Today's GOP is advocating acid attacks against women, because they don't want them voting.

And no one- not a single member of the Republican party- has denounced it.

It's disgusting,

And going to that level in turn only justifies them and makes them feel like patriotic heroes. You want to beat them, do it at the polls and in debates. Keep bringing their rhetoric up and showing how much their willing to do harm to others to get what they want. Demand they explain why it took so long to denounce things that should take no second thought on if they didn't do it immediately.

How do you fight the messege of hate? Not with hate, you do it with...

Dr. Mojo PhD:Mrbogey...You're just a retarded apologist who is literally making no sense....

he's not retarded. He has deep mental problems, true. Almost assuredly tortures small animals and has been institutionalized at least once in his life. Probably also a sex offender with convictions for violent crimes against women.

Commander Lysdexic:He's an idiot who doesn't consider the implications of the words he speaks or types (or rather, has his intern type for him). When said implications are pointed out he refuses to admit he was wrong, thus making him an asshole too.

Misogynist or idiotic asshole?

Yes!

/It's an and/or thing there not an either/or thing.

The article he linked to at Free Beacon is essentially calling Democrats hypocrites by saying "they're for equal pay? Why don't they pay their own female employess as much as the men?"

Didn't we have a Fark thread on that in which it turned out the study was bogus and didn't compare people at the same jobs?

I have actually heard the word "acid" used as a noun for "abuse" or "sharp criticism" several times before in the past. Perhaps as a result, I instinctively interpreted the phrase "hurl some acid" as simply meaning that on the first read. I still can't muster proper outrage reading it, because I can't help but read it in that context. Yet I find the speaker's general attitude to be reprehensible and would hate to be misunderstood as an apologist for either violence towards women or vicious polemical rhetoric.

That puts me in the way awkward situation of thinking he's monumentally boorish for his phrasing and subsequent reaction to criticism, but also that the genuinely serious issue of acid attacks on women really has no relation to this debate, and that it's inappropriate to post images of women with facial burns and to accuse apologists of actually endorsing such attacks.

Worst of all, I bet this post just looks like concern trolling even though I'm sincere :(

Dr. Mojo PhD:Mrbogey: Pharque-it: I do not say this often but...YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!!

I know it must seem idiotic to try and communicate with these complete morons here but bear with me. I think some of them are capable of understanding at above a ninth grade level.

No, no. You're just a retarded apologist who is literally making no sense.

Your claim is the following:

1. A public spokesperson2. Who has previously written an article about messaging, knowing you're always in the public profile, and controlling the tone when a supporter goes off reservation3. Both of which demonstrate he knows full well the value of public messaging and a press corps4. 'Accidentally' makes a mangled metaphor that has no relational basis to any known metaphor in the human language5. Because a single word in his sentence, if surrounded by entirely different words, none of which he used, could mean something different6. He therefore meant that different thing he never said, and also7. Forgot his entire experience and core competencies as a spokesperson.

The above presentation has been an entry in Mojo's popular "Things That Are Ridiculous, Bordering on the Retarded" list. Next up, you.

Exactly. FARK trolls I can understand but why would their campaign even bother to defend this guy?

what_now:Bill Murray said I was weird: You're one of the more thought-out people on this site, there's no need for you to go libbynomore2 on them and resort to their level. They already play victim enough without this stuff. You're better than that.

I know. But this...this is really disgusting. I'm sick of the right wing lowering the bar OVER AND OVER again, and people defending it. I feel like there is NOTHING these people could do or say that would make their supporters stop and actually think about what they're doing to this country!

We had a man shoot at a crowd because he didn't like his CongresswomanWe had a man walk into a church and open fire because he thought Democrats would be there.

The GOP has spent the past two years trying to roll back women's rights and force the vast majority of this country into grinding, generational poverty, and when you complain they attack you.

A woman testifies in front of Congress about health care issues, and the GOP spends a week calling her a slut.

And now this. Acid attacks. The very thing that religious conservatives use to keep women afraid, to keep women docile, to keep women from voting or getting an education. Today's GOP is advocating acid attacks against women, because they don't want them voting.

And no one- not a single member of the Republican party- has denounced it.

He's a political spokesman. He makes his living using words - English words, typically - to represent the policies and views of his employer in a favorable way. Your "gosh, talkin' plain English is hard without them nasty ol' Liberals taking it the wrong way, bless their hearts!" routine isn't very convincing.

Jim_Callahan:Generation_D: So I can say "lets line up all Republicans against the nearest wall and shoot them" and its all a normal, political discourse hyperbole sort of thing.

A pretty obvious expression of frustration and not a threat, yes. Unless you're holding a gun and herding senators around at the time or something, that would add some threat from context.

So if I said I'd like to "shove the barrel of a loaded AR-15 up Sarah Palin's cootch, and keep pulling the trigger until the magazine was empty," unless I have a loaded AR-15 in my hand, and Ms. Palin in the room, it's "A pretty obvious expression of frustration and not a threat".

/What if I was holding a Remington semi-auto 12 gauge shotgun?//And some lube?

what_now:I know. But this...this is really disgusting. I'm sick of the right wing lowering the bar OVER AND OVER again, and people defending it. I feel like there is NOTHING these people could do or say that would make their supporters stop and actually think about what they're doing to this country!

you realize that we aren't even into the silly season yet, right? we're going to see FAR more disgusting things from our GOP friends before Obama gets re-elected later this year.