Re: WikiLove Extension on Prototype

Ev. Jorgen. <jorgenev.enwiki <at> gmail.com>
2011-07-01 14:09:53 GMT

I really dislike it. Socialization should be an implicit function of the
website software, not an explicit one.
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Re: WikiLove Extension on Prototype

Fred Bauder <fredbaud <at> fairpoint.net>
2011-07-01 14:28:53 GMT

> I really dislike it. Socialization should be an implicit function of the
> website software, not an explicit one.
NO SOUP FOR YOU!
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Re: WikiLove Extension on Prototype

It's nice, but is there a particular reason it's been implemented as
an Extension? It seems like it would have been much simpler to use a
Gadget (as I believe it was before) then other Wikimedia sites could
pick it up easily without needing developers to make config changes.
Pete / the wub
On 25 June 2011 01:59, Howie Fung <hfung <at> wikimedia.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> We’re testing a new tool for expressing appreciation to other users and are
> hoping that you’ll help test it and give us feedback. You can find a more
> detailed rationale for this tool, as well as instructions for testing, in
> our blog post here:
>
> http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/06/24/wikilove-an-experiment-in-appreciation/
>
> You may test the feature by following the instructions here:
>
> http://prototype.wikimedia.org/release-en/WikiLove
>
> For more information on the Wikilove extension, please visit [1] and [2]
>
> Thanks for your help!
>
> Howie
>
> [1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WikiLove_1.0
> [2] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiLove
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Re: Deployments today

Erik Moeller <erik <at> wikimedia.org>
2011-07-01 18:56:57 GMT

Hi folks,
we're collecting some categorized examples of WL in use here, to
better understand how it's being used and what the pitfalls may be.
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WikiLove/Stories
So far, we're seeing lots of examples of use exactly in the way it's
intended -- new users thanking each other, experienced users thanking
new users, experienced users thanking or congratulating each other.
Lots of new users use it on their own talk pages, which can be a bit
annoying, but we think having it enabled for experimentation on your
own talk page is probably the most intuitive way to learn how to use
it. IMO this actually has some potential additional value as well, as
it can give you some insights, e.g. whether you're dealing with a
hardcore vandal or just a kid experimenting and clicking around.
We've been talking about a potential throttle to deal with overuse.
These and other ideas are being collected here:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WikiLove/Idea_Log
And, as a reminder, the feature is highly customizable by any admin
following the instructions here, or by any user in their personal JS:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WikiLove#How_to_customize--
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Call for image filter refrendum

Casey Brown <lists <at> caseybrown.org>
2011-07-01 20:15:58 GMT

/Please distribute this message widely/
*Call for referendum*: The Wikimedia Foundation, at the direction of
the Board of Trustees, will be holding a vote to determine whether
members of the community support the creation and usage of an opt-in
personal image filter, which would allow readers to voluntarily screen
particular types of images strictly for their own account.
Further details and educational materials will be available shortly.
The referendum is scheduled for 12-27 August, 2011, and will be
conducted on servers hosted by a neutral third party. Referendum
details, officials, voting requirements, and supporting materials will
be posted at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image_filter_referendum
shortly.
For the coordinating committee,
Philippe (WMF)
Cbrown1023
Risker
Mardetanha
PeterSymonds
Robert Harris
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Re: Call for image filter refrendum

It's about time! Who's eligible to vote?
Bob
On 7/1/2011 3:15 PM, Casey Brown wrote:
> /Please distribute this message widely/
>
> *Call for referendum*: The Wikimedia Foundation, at the direction of
> the Board of Trustees, will be holding a vote to determine whether
> members of the community support the creation and usage of an opt-in
> personal image filter, which would allow readers to voluntarily screen
> particular types of images strictly for their own account.
>
> Further details and educational materials will be available shortly.
> The referendum is scheduled for 12-27 August, 2011, and will be
> conducted on servers hosted by a neutral third party. Referendum
> details, officials, voting requirements, and supporting materials will
> be posted at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image_filter_referendum
> shortly.
>
> For the coordinating committee,
> Philippe (WMF)
> Cbrown1023
> Risker
> Mardetanha
> PeterSymonds
> Robert Harris
>
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Re: Developer/Wiki relationship (was: Deployments today)

Hey All,
This new feature has caused a bit of flack on English Wikipedia; which gives
me a bit of a platform to bring up some issues that have been rolling round
in my brain recently. A lot of the criticism on Wiki has been overly harsh -
so I want to try some constructive feedback here on the mailing list :)
Firstly, congrats to the developers on putting together a nice, easy to use
tool. It's not to my taste (FWIW) but there is effort and care put into the
tool - and whatever anyone says or moans; kudos for that. I'd *love *to see
those involved consider tweaking and improving the Wiki interface/theme/UI
to make it more modern and nice :)
The second point to make is that this is also a somewhat "misguided" tool.
It has been pitched as a way to promote inter-editor friendship and increase
editor retention. The issue here, of course, is that WikiLove does not
really address the problem that affects new editors (or experienced editors)
and drives them away. Those problems are to do with editor interaction,
poisonous atmosphere, lack of communication - but not the sort that can be
solved by slapping a "template" on the page. No, that problem is really only
solvable by going the other way - to make a determined effort to leave
personal and thoughtful messages (I hope I am not preaching here; I make a
huge effort to do this myself).
The way that this ended up appearing to be pitched as a "golden solution"
has not gone down too well because it appears as if the developers are not
"getting" the problem (when actually I am certain they are doing so; and
realise this is just one small part in the whole picture).
The other problem is that it somewhat undermines and trivialises what a

Re: Developer/Wiki relationship (was: Deployments today)

Alec Conroy <alecmconroy <at> gmail.com>
2011-07-02 12:01:13 GMT

On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Thomas Morton
<morton.thomas <at> googlemail.com> wrote:
> Those problems are to do with editor interaction, poisonous atmosphere,
> lack of communication - but not the sort that can be solved by slapping a
> "template" on the page.
Editors fight because we throw them into an arena. Arenas have lots
of benefits, but they're a tad stressful for most.
When we open up something that's not an arena, we'll get to keep the
editors who like our mission but hate our bloodsport.
> The other problem is that it somewhat undermines and trivialises what a
> barnstar is.
For what it's worth, I used the tool today, I LOVED it-- but it did
occur to me that others would be troubled by the 'barnstar inflation'
effects. Not a big deal to me at all, I loved the tool, I didn't
even think to mention the barnstar inflation concern in my feedback--
but we should listen up to see if that's a prevalent concern.
> However English Wikipedia is also strongly *independent *and makes its own
> decisions. Major changes to how the software works, or to the UI (especially
> if it affects the social infrastructure too) is instantly controversial and
> should be discussed with the community.
So, seriously no criticism of the developers who did this-- it's
great. I too would have rolled it out immediately, I too didn't
think it would be controversial.
If we have a controversial change we think is a good idea, then the