Lets see... in order to claim that you had state autonomy you'd have to have you own constitution, central bank and currency.. did any of the above exist?
No..
Conclusion:
NO state autonomy = no state = members of the kingdom that surrendered= you surredered.

Wow you are brilliant. So by that logic since European Union has it's own constitution, own currency (EURO) etc that means that states within EU do not have autonomy? You see what nonsense you are talking. I'm laughing my arse over here.

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Thats the whole damn point.. in ever damn post you make you alter the issue to your convenience.. As already clarified, first you claimed "never lost", then "never conquered" and then "never occupied" only to now twist it once again and turned it into "completely conquered"..
Enough with this stupidity.... you did loose, you were conquered and you were under Ottoman yoke.. like it or not that is your history, learn to live with it. Another term you ignore.. along with your history..

Oh the sweet irony for the third time in a row you are killing your self with those statements! Please stop it.

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At least you accept that you parrot whatever you find.. in a pathetic attempt to score points when you see that you're being humiliated.

Yes, if i find a simple way to humiliate you like that, i'll do it.
Still didn't learn what sarcasm is? For the last time, please leave this thread. You are a laughing stock here.

P.S.- Oh, and we didn't lose to Ottomans like you did. Don't make me quote those texts again and to humiliate you there as well. And besides i don't think other people care about those things so it would be inappropriate to start that again, but if you insist we will.

Wow you are brilliant. So by that logic since European Union has it's own constitution, own currency (EURO) etc that means that states within EU do not have autonomy? You see what nonsense you are talking. I'm laughing my arse over here.

Illiterate as always.. EU membership doesn't mean that state autonomy is devolved since all member states continue to have their own constitutions, retain direct rights on taxes, movement of persons and goods and are simply requested to abide by a specific economic policy.. So bad example..

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Oh the sweet irony for the third time in a row you are killing your self with those statements! Please stop it.

Since you didn't understand it in the PM lets requote Britannica:

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Croatia to the Ottoman conquests

Over the following centuries, was the area associated with the name Croatia shifted gradually north and west as its territory eroded, first with the loss of Dalmatia to Venice by 1420 and then as a result of Ottoman conquests in the 16th century. The Croatian nobility maintained their claims to lands occupied by the Ottomans, hoping to repossess them once liberated. A Croatian national tradition also survived within these territories, as well as in lands under Venetian rule—an identity that would be further consolidated among the Catholics of Dalmatia and of Bosnia and Herzegovina during the nationalist movements of the 19th century.

KEYWORDS:

(Ottoman) CONQUESTS = the act or process of conqueringOCCUPIED = : to take or hold possession or control of <enemy troops occupied the ridge>REPOSSESS = : to regain possession ofLIBERATE = to set at liberty : free ; specifically : to free (as a country) from domination by a foreign power

After the above quote, ONLY an illiterate fool would claim that you didn't lose, you weren't conquered and part of your lands were under Ottoman yoke.

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You are a laughing stock here.

Not only a prolonged reading disability which forbids you from comprehending simple quoted articles, not only illiterate on your history, but also live in your own little fantasy world in which becoming the thread's court-jester is a title of honor..

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P.S.- Oh, and we didn't lose to Ottomans like you did. Don't make me quote those texts again and to humiliate you there as well. And besides i don't think other people care about those things so it would be inappropriate to start that again, but if you insist we will.

No not like we did, I never claimed anything remotely close.. You're the one with the inferiority complex continuously trying to make a comparison.. I simply wouldn't desecrate the memory of my ancestors by getting into it.

Now you start thinking of what is and what isn't appropriate? You trolls have been spewing your historical illiterate claims all over these boards, running from one thread to another time after time and now he remembers that he's acting like a troll trashing threads?
Now thats what I call insight.

Illiterate as always.. EU membership doesn't mean that state autonomy is devolved since all member states continue to have their own constitutions, retain direct rights on taxes, movement of persons and goods and are simply requested to abide by a specific economic policy.. So bad example..

Indeed, you gave a bad example. Next time you think about what autonomy and ethnicity means before you post it. We had both, always. Only thing is we were always in some kind of Unions and such. Again you failed with your lies.

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Originally Posted by Hellinas
After the above quote, ONLY an illiterate fool would claim that you didn't lose, you weren't conquered and part of your lands were under Ottoman yoke.

I never said parts haven't been under their rule. But they never conqured Croatia.
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Due to all this, the Ottomans became most detested in Croatia. After the Croat convert (Bosnian), Hasan-Pasha Predojevic had become the supreme commander of the Vilayet of Bosnia, the Croats' struggle against the Ottoman Empire reached its critical point. The conquests of Ripac in 1591 and Bihac (on the river Una) in 1592 removed the last obstacles on the way toward realization of the Ottoman strategic plans. Having gathered the army from all over Bosnia and Slovenia under the Ottoman command, Hasan-Pasha undertook an all-out attack in order to defeat the Croatian combat troops and wipe away the last remaining independent slice of Croatia.

The Croat-Slovene Victory in the battle of Sisak(TOWN IN CROATIA HELLINAS, YES IT IS), prevented the Ottoman Jihad from ravaging Slovenia and moving into the Venetian Republic in Northern Italy, thus preventing the Jihad from making back door entry and saving Western Europe from the Jihad

However, in the battle of Sisak, in 1593, Hasan-Pasha suffered a total defeat and fell together with thousands of his soldiers and a great number of the Ottoman commanders. Finally, the glorious victory in the battle of Sisak marked the end of the Ottoman invasions after almost two hundred years of the Croatian fighting against the Ottoman Empire. The Croatian Viceroy's army, chasing the Turks away from Petrinja in 1595, crowned the great victory.

At the battle of Sisak, the brave soldiers from Slovenia had valiantly saved the Croats and Austrians when a Slovene army attacked the Turks from the direction of Turjak and pushed the Turks in to the Kolpa river. Without the Slovene army from Turjak, Sisak might have been overrun by the Turks.

Earlier too at the battle of Nikopolje it was a Slovene contingent under General Herman II, the count of Celje, that had saved King Sigismund. Later Sigismund married Herman's daughter as a sign of Sigismund's appreciation of this favor. The Celjski counts too, were given the title of "Dukes", by King Sigismund.

Croats liberated Serb villages and led to a Serb-Croat alliance against the Turks

In further combats the Croat Viceroy's army, together with the Military Border troops, broke deeply into the area under the Ottoman rule, inflicting tremendous damage to the Turks and turning the whole border area into a battlefield and the scene of many fierce and destructive skirmishes that jutted into Serbia and liberated many Serbian villages.

And military border which was almost 30% of Croatian land was never conquered. So yeah, please, i hope this is enough humiliation for you
Please, for your own sake, stop spreading lies and Shoo to you Greek sub-forum while you are still alive.
With every post you make you are just drowning more and more in you lies.

And let me quote this again in case you didn't understand:

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Hasan-Pasha undertook an all-out attack in order to defeat the Croatian combat troops and wipe away the last remaining independent slice of Croatia
However, in the battle of Sisak, in 1593, Hasan-Pasha suffered a total defeat and fell together with thousands of his soldiers and a great number of the Ottoman commanders. Finally, the glorious victory in the battle of Sisak marked the end of the Ottoman invasions after almost two hundred years of the Croatian fighting against the Ottoman Empire

Tell me if i need to quote it few more time over PM so you can read this in peace you slightly retarded creature

Indeed, you gave a bad example. Next time you think about what autonomy and ethnicity means before you post it. We had both, always. Only thing is we were always in some kind of Unions and such. Again you failed with your lies.

Where did I make any reference to "ethnicity" ???
As for what they mean.. child you forget who you're talking to.. but then again you'd have to know the origin of the words to comprehend exactly how foolish you sound.
Do you or do you not comprehend the notion of state autonomy and exactly how was Croatia an autonomous state when you were part of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia??
No more "I say so".. post facts.

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I never said parts haven't been under their rule. But they never conqured Croatia.
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As if the quote of Britannica doesn't prove you to be a fool and your above claim of "never being conquered" yet another celebration of ignorance.. I again present what you claimed in the PM you sent..

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Originally Posted by RightWhite

Hello there,
If you do remember we had a fight about Croatia not being defeated in Ottoman Wars. I had the time to dig this up, so i will just quote it to you, enjoy:

Just that you know, Sisak is a town below Zagreb (our capital) which means we had our territory unconquered, our main capital unconquered etc.

So care to tell us more LIES about what you have and haven't claimed?!?!

I again present what you claimed in the PM you sent..
So care to tell us more LIES about what you have and haven't claimed?!?!

Really simple, read it again.

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Hasan-Pasha undertook an all-out attack in order to defeat the Croatian combat troops and wipe away the last remaining independent slice of Croatia
However, in the battle of Sisak, in 1593, Hasan-Pasha suffered a total defeat and fell together with thousands of his soldiers and a great number of the Ottoman commanders. Finally, the glorious victory in the battle of Sisak marked the end of the Ottoman invasions after almost two hundred years of the Croatian fighting against the Ottoman Empire

and serbia in bulgaria hahahahhah pour person that made this map...god knows what was he on...

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hahahahha Bosnia in Croatia-very funny

PS those were the very first things that came in my mind when thinking of countries listed. I hope no one gets offended,it's just my view of things,cheers all

And what should that "hahahahhah" mean? Except that you are a just a poor little uneducated serbian shepherdess which couldn't attend on history classes in school because she had to go home before sundown so that wolves wouldn't eat her while walking 15 km through the wood to her distant mountain hamlet.

Hasan-Pasha undertook an all-out attack in order to defeat the Croatian combat troops and wipe away the last remaining independent slice of Croatia
However, in the battle of Sisak, in 1593, Hasan-Pasha suffered a total defeat and fell together with thousands of his soldiers and a great number of the Ottoman commanders. Finally, the glorious victory in the battle of Sisak marked the end of the Ottoman invasions after almost two hundred years of the Croatian fighting against the Ottoman Empire

I have, only this time I'll assist your illiterate Croat arse to comprehend how to..
The only single sentence needed here is the one in bold and underlined.
Exactly what does it tell us?wipe away the last remaining independent slice of Croatia

THE LAST REMAINING.. means that the REST hence of your ENTIRE country HAD BEEN CONQUERED.. YOU LOST YOU WERE OCCUPIED !!!!

Stop trying to find pride in a fairy-tale, in something that never took place..

Really simple, read it again.
I have, only this time I'll assist your illiterate Croat arse to comprehend how to..
The only single sentence needed here is the one in bold and underlined.
Exactly what does it tell us?wipe away the last remaining independent slice of CroatiaTHE LAST REMAINING.. means that the REST hence of your ENTIRE country HAD BEEN CONQUERED.. YOU LOST YOU WERE OCCUPIED !!!!
Stop trying to find pride in a fairy-tale, in something that never took place..

Ok, thanks for help, since you are such a good person let me help you as well. I'll put it in big letters.

How can you say:

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Originally Posted by Hellinas
YOU LOST YOU WERE OCCUPIED

if

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Hasan-Pasha undertook an all-out attack in order to defeat the Croatian combat troops and wipe away the last remaining independent slice of Croatia. However, in the battle of Sisak, in 1593, Hasan-Pasha suffered a total defeat. The glorious victory in the battle of Sisak marked the end of the Ottoman invasions