TURNING YOUR DAILY NEWS INTO A SNARKY RANT

Newspoll Versus Morgan: The Criminal Tendency Of Murdoch’s Numbers

In its most audacious fraud in many a year Murdoch’s Newspoll showed Abbott’s government gaining half a million votes in the fortnight when he insulted the Irish, the Jews, the Aborigines, the United States and the Senate, backflipped on auto manufacturing and lied about submarines, and Pyne in a crazy shrieking outburst swore he’d sack seventeen hundred scientists if the Senate did not agree to pauper all future students by Tuesday, and when they wouldn’t do that weirdly chirped, ‘I fixed it.’

A simultaneous poll by Morgan had Labor with seven hundred thousand more votes, on 56 percent, than Newspoll’s 51 percent. When Paul Bongiorno noted this contrast, Fran Kelly threw him out of the studio.

Morgan always gets it right; in Queensland, it said, correctly, 49.5 for Labor and ‘too close to call’. And, however Newspoll dresses up its mendacity — preference flow as in 2013; numbers ‘weighted’ to reflect the population distribution; 9 percent ‘refused’ or ‘undecided’ excluded — it can only be guilty, this week and often, of criminal fraud.

For it is not likely that the Coalition gained half a million votes while Pyne behaved as madly as he did last week; while Abbott said Shorten was like Goebbels and deficits for sixty years were ‘not so bad, considering’; while the Moss Report revealed that blow-jobs for marihuana had become the currency of Nauru on Morrison’s watch and children were suiciding, and Morrison told pensioners they would get less money hereafter, and for the rest of their lives, precisely when they needed more.

But, like the Emperor’s new clothes, we are told by Col Allen there was no harm done Abbott that week, that fortnight, and the preposterous headline, TURNAROUND TONY, is thereby improbably, miraculously affirmed.

Yet the fact is pretty much what Morgan said it was: that the Coalition, in Pyne’s maddest week, and Abbott’s and Hockey’s most shamed one, lost three hundred thousand votes which it might not get back.

And, were an election held on Saturday, Labor would gain fifty or fifty-two seats, and the Greens two or three.

And no amount of shonky twisting and wrestling and mangling of numbers will get those lost sheep back.

And so it goes.

Robert “Bob” Ellis is an Australian writer, journalist, film maker and political commentator.

I love Bob Ellis. He is an utter nutter who writes so slobberingly well.

An ABC type less given to conspiracy theories has this view:

The ABC’s polling expert, Antony Green(link is external), says that all pollsters are aware of the limitations of polling and try to reduce statistical errors arising from their methods. And he believes that, often, the people who complain about a specific poll are those who don’t like the result, and who will question the poll’s methodology in a bid to cast doubt on unfavourable numbers.

But he sounds a note of caution, too: “You have to choose your polls. And it depends on what you use them for.”

Mr Green nominates Newspoll, founded on the same questions for 30 years, as providing the most consistently useful results, but believes some others are less reliable.

However polls bounce around, often due to sampling – margin of error. One month the sample will underestimate the Lib vote by 3% the next it might over estimate it by 3%. Both polls are within the margin of error. Reporting of the results will show a 6% turn around, but the actual voting intentions of the public might not have changed at all.

 Bob Ellis is a political entertainer, and he’s ok at that. His rantings shouldn’t be taken seriously
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TB – the media reporting of the results might emphasise aspects of the poll – whether Shorten/Abbott is up or down, whether 2PP has changed, how the primary vote looks.

But you are seriously deluding yourself if you think the Murdoch/the polling company is telling the people that conduct the survey to misreport what people are telling them, or telling the statistical people to misreport the findings.

The only explanation I can think of is that the people who were polled think that Christopher “the fixer” Pyne and Tony “pass the onion” Abbott are now so fkn hilarious, that they want them to stick around for more laffs.

I know that it is in the main body above, but it is just so sadly, catastrophically funny I had to repeat it:

Murdoch’s Newspoll showed Abbott’s government gaining half a million votes in the fortnight when he insulted the Irish, the Jews, the Aborigines, the United States and the Senate, backflipped on auto manufacturing and lied about submarines, and Pyne in a crazy shrieking outburst swore he’d sack seventeen hundred scientists if the Senate did not agree to pauper all future students by Tuesday, and when they wouldn’t do that weirdly chirped, ‘I fixed it.’

I wouldn’t jump to a conspiracy theory, but I can see the attractions.

“”You don’t believe that Rupert could do anything deceitful (I mean he is a catlik an’ all) and manipulate polls (must be the staff again) … but other research companies would … and certainly unions BOO!

But not our – Rupert The Kingmaker …””

-TB

I’m now going to Google bicycles with the handle bars mounted on the rear of the bike frame. It makes it easier for you to back pedal

You don’t suppose YOU made those assumptions … and I asked why one group would/could and another wouldn’t …

Your slip is showing, madam …

ToM…

I don’t believe they manipulate survey results for political purposes. The notion that Murdoch calls up the boss of newspoll and asks for a specific result is just stupid.

I can imagine in commercial/product research a company might like a result that says – “people find Nutri Grain the tastiest cereal” and pay for the research,. This is in much the same way that unions will sponsor some research that will come up with a finding of – “people that join unions are better off than those that don’t”

“”You don’t believe that Rupert could do anything deceitful (I mean he is a catlik an’ all) and manipulate polls (must be the staff again) … but other research companies would …” “””

anna bligh on reportland last night made an interesting comment which is poll/election related, when sales asked how she felt about the noddy-teabags `drastic-win` to only lasting `one-term`, bligh reckoned it could be the `new-normal`, with the public who go digging on the web, being much better informed in their `topic/s-of-interest` than either the polical-teams or teabag-media.

#resulting in many voters won`t put-up with too much bullshit, l suspect

l agree teebz, yawns claims that `onions-polls` are the only `corrupt/stacked-polls` is ridiculous (coz they only dial numbers from onion-membership lists) and rupert-polls are clean coz rupert is too busy hacking-phones to have his polls dialing blot-radio `caller-lists` and blot-blog `subscribers` #Tinfoil.Cubicle.Arse.Hat

The individual Polls don’t matter. It’s the trend and your leader you should be shitting yourself about.

I agrre, Wally … YOU should … chuckle … 🙂

Newspoll is the poll most go by

“Most” – who tories …?

As I “mentioned” at the beginning of this fred … you can poll all you want … the outcome at the ballot is what really counts … obviously Queenslanders can sort this shit out … must only be Mexicans that believe what they read in Murdoch’s many rags the newspapers …

If lazy trolling is your go then that would be your answer, I suppose. If you want to move on to actual thinking you could look at some more considered opinions. There you might find this from the ABC’s (obviously tory) polling specialist:

Mr Green nominates Newspoll, founded on the same questions for 30 years, as providing the most consistently useful results, but believes some others are less reliable.

Perhaps its attractions are the golf courses, guest houses, wineries, cheesemakers ( Blessed are the Cheesemakers……………I had to get that in), B&Bs, old colonial pubs, countryside, fresh air, friendly people………etc etc

………..as opposed to

the site of projectile vomiting Schoolies or Toolies, brawling bikies, garbage strewn about, cyclonic winds and rains, passed out young girls in high heels,a casino which has not seen a room renovation since circa 1980, expensive restaurants, 60 yo plus males dressed in safari suits urinating in laneways……..etc etc………………….oh and fuckwit Queenslanders.

londonderry”””””””””””A man who cut off his electronic tag told the authorities his dog had eaten it, Londonderry Magistrates Court has been told.

In the dock was Darren Mark Curry (38), of Glenabbey Drive, who was on bail for assaulting his ex-partner on November 12, last year.

The court was told the defendant was later found in a dog kennel and when asked about his electronic tag, he claimed his dog had ate it.

The court heard that in the early hours of Sunday morning the 38-year-old admitted causing damage to an electronic monitoring tag which he was ordered to wear as part of his bail conditions.

District Judge Barney McElholm was told by the Prosecution that Curry cut off the electronic tagging device and then went to his daughterâs house outside, which also happened to take place outside the hours of curfew previously imposed on him by the court. Curry had also consumed alcohol, which he was banned from doing.

He was found hiding in a dog kennel and he claimed the dog had eaten his tag.

Defence solicitor Seamus Quigley said Curry had gone to his daughterâs house because he was concerned about her.

He urged the court to give his client one final chance on bail.

District Judge McElholm estreated Â£300 and released Curry on the same terms and conditions of bail.

However, the District Judge also warned the 38-year-old if there were any further breaches he would be remanded in custody.

With what? Bullshit dusters? I’d get back to CCC’s were I you. Trioli’s a hack, and a bad one at that. vacuous and easily led, doing nothing but spouting grubmint lines to appease her backers. Here’s an example of here “shredding”

BILL SHORTEN: Well, again, just to give you a different set of numbers than the ones you were quoting, we think there’s been a lot of myth-making about the cost of building submarines in Australia….

VIRGINIA TRIOLI: Well the costs are definitely ones and the figures are the ones that have been referred to again and again as it being more in Australia. So just to move on quickly from this, ’cause we have lots to get through today.

So the trioli just accepts the grubmints numbers as gospel (going on the case that they and their media mates sprout them a lot), and, when confronted with differing numbers, just wants to ‘move on quickly’ like a typical spruiker.

VIRGINIA TRIOLI: Bill Shorten, let’s talk a little bit tonight about management and about leadership. There’s been a lot of very fine words spoken recently about leadership, particularly with the deaths of Gough Whitlam and Malcolm Fraser. You said last November that 2015 would be defined by the power of Labor’s ideas. It’s almost April. We’re entering a new budget cycle. Where are those ideas?

BILL SHORTEN: Well we’ve already started to articulate our ideas. Three or four weeks ago, Labor put forward a comprehensive costed policy, for instance, to track – to crack down on multinationals using legal loopholes not to pay their fair share of tax in Australia. This is a downpayment on our approach. We think that people should pay their fair share of taxation. We also …

VIRGINIA TRIOLI: Yes. I’m just going to move you on again because our time really is tight this evening. I don’t think anyone’s really going to argue with the multinational one. But the big ideas, …

So, she asks a question, gets an answer, but then ‘moves on again’ to ask the same question that he is currently answering. What a dimwit. Or, did she not like him answering, so thought she’d ask again thinking people would forget?

She then finishes him off (?) with the her devastating “you’re shit, yabot was great” hypothesis.

VIRGINIA TRIOLI: …..It was clear that Tony Abbott certainly gave Julia Gillard a whole lot of grief. Why haven’t you been able to?

What an airhead. Even taking this latest poll into account, how she seen the polls?

“CARMAKER Ethan Automotive says it could make 20,000 cars a year in South Australia but needs an intact supply chain to do so……………Under the legislation, there is money available until 2020, but it is tied to the number of cars being made.”

TomR said the Coalition did not support the car industry and cut funding. There were no funding cuts as long as Ford/Holden/Toyota continued to make cars in Australia. Funding was promised until 2020. Actually i think it was 2022.

What happened is that after Ford left (under Rudd) Holden went to Hockey and asked for double the funding that was promised until 2022. Hockey told them there was no more money other than what was promised.

“You said last November that 2015 would be defined by the power of Labor’s ideas. It’s almost April. We’re entering a new budget cycle. Where are those ideas?”

Apparently nobody told Shorten that thought-bubble mind-fart platitudes don’t count: “to crack down on multinationals using legal loopholes not to pay their fair share of tax in Australia. This is a downpayment on our approach. We think that people should pay their fair share of taxation.”

You trying to put me off my lunch with that meaningless drivel, Tom R?

Fact is ALP will not say much beyond motherhood BS. They certainly will not explain how they will pay for their policies.

One of the most disgraceful acts of the last government was trying to take credit for policies that they had no idea how to pay for by making sure the real cost was beyond the forward estimates horizon.

Anyway, this is just a sideshow to lure Tom R into discussion. The real issue is the current government. We know the Libs will try to point over there to the ALP’s lack of detailed policy. That should not be allowed to happen. The Libs should be judged on what they promised and what they deliver.

I’m hoping (but not expecting) that we will see a budget that sets Australia on the road to prosperity, pays down debt in the foreseeable future, leads to jobs growth, small business growth and a decent level of social spending. And the government must be held accountable if this budget is as bad as the last.

My view is that there has been too much focus on matters vindictive and trivial and this has, in some perverse way, seemed to help Abbott in the polls. The bottom line, the thing the Libs win or lose on, is their economic performance. It has been ghastly so far and is not likely to get better. Hopefully, now the focus will remain on this issue.

“”Lourenco Goncalves, president of Cliffs Natural Resources Inc, said his company was quitting the Australian iron ore business and putting its one mine, the Koolyanobbing Operation in Western Australia, up for sale to focus on the more promising US market.

He said Rio Tinto and BHP Billiton had embarked on separate campaigns to saturate China with tens of millions of tonnes of Australian ore to drive out local competitors.

Mr Goncalves told an industry conference on Wednesday that the Reserve Bank of Australia had manipulated its currency to help BHP Billiton and Rio Tinto displace Chinese domestic production of iron ore to their benefit. …………………….””

BLIB””””’When it came to metadata and national security, which we think is very important, Labor put a peg in the ground and said we’ve got to have the ability of journalists to be able to protect their sources.””””

you have vacated the field, because there may be protection there for journalists,

but what about protection for ordinary citizens? This is where there’s been a complete about-face that one might be enormously critical of.

#now watch blib faff and run

BILL SHORTEN: No, that’s not a fair description of what’s happened since last October. Now Labor has to …

VIRGINIA TRIOLI: It’s certainly the way the crossbenchers see it and they believe they’ve got to step into the breach and they’re presenting themselves as the real opposition on this one.

BILL SHORTEN: Far be it from me to interfere with the crossbenchers promoting themselves. But let’s go …

VIRGINIA TRIOLI: They may be the people you have to deal with if you’re lucky enough to secure government.

BILL SHORTEN: Well, we deal with them reasonably well. I think our record compares favourably to the Government’s, doesn’t it? But going to the heart of the matter which you’re saying: what’s Labor’s role in terms of protecting individual liberties? Labor is gravely conscious that we have to balance national security and also the personal liberties of Australians. It is Labor who’s made sure that the Commonwealth Ombudsman has the ability to investigate breaches of metadata requests if they were to occur in a way which hasn’t been able to to be done before, which goes to the heart of what you’ve said. And also whilst I know that you personally are very committed to press freedom, I would just remind viewers that but for Labor standing up, the Government would’ve got through its changes without any of the scrutiny that we’ve put forward. We’ve changed three sets of national security laws. Mark Dreyfus, Jason Clare, my colleagues..

#yeah team-cheerer, blib did a great fcuking job, if ya`call being teabag-lite and fleeing `great`

WhatTF is wrong with labor, team-cheerer, Fancy sending blathering blib to reportland for such a sloppy performance. FFS bring back beazley. Take a look at the first part of the interview on canoes, which was the least tragic part for blib. You really think that performance was a `good-sell` for canoe building. Think again. (tho trioli didn`t pwn blib at least)

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the 2nd part, #wire-taps/meta, blib was on the run, fully pwned by trioli, two more questions were asked, blib blathered. Why the fcuk is labor helping mr-rabbit, which is what sending blib to reportland was.

Fact is ALP will not say much beyond motherhood BS. They certainly will not explain how they will pay for their policies.

Well, they are not going to roll out a complete suite of fully costed policies are they. Why the hell would they? The libs haven’t even delivered one budget halfway through their (one and only?) term, and already people are crying for fully costed policies. But, even already, they have committed to re-instating the Carbon Tax (plugging a multi billion hole in the budget), plus re-instating their vision for the NBN (and the increased productivity that comes with that), along with other costed policies such as their multinational tax avoidance policy. They have also said they will re-instate many of the wrongs undone by the libs, like funding for domestic tourism marketing, Enterprise Connect, and increasing compulsory super to 12% (wow, what a way to take a burden of future retirement payments!)

“What do you Mr Shorten really stand for and really believe in. What deep in your heart do you really stand for ?”

Well, you could listen to him I guess.

from his interview with trioli

We’ve made it clear, for instance, that we support the constitutional recognition of our first Australians. We’ve made it clear that we support becoming a republic. We’ve made it clear that when it comes to standing up to outlaw hate speech, we didn’t support any watering-down of 18C. We’ve also got a view that to have a growing economy, which is fundamental to our future, we’ve got to make sure that we don’t leave people behind. So when we talk about key issues like science and innovation, jobs. Let’s look at the Renewable Energy Target. We’ve been standing firm to stop the Abbott Government, the Liberal National government in Canberra, from trashing renewable energy. These are big issues. On superannuation, the Government loves to talk about the crisis of growing old and the aged pension, yet we’re the only mainstream political party who says that we shouldn’t freeze superannuation increases, that we should in fact rather than cut pension increases, we should encourage Australians to save for themselves for the future. These are big ideas. These are big issues and we’re fighting hard.

or his budget reply from last year

I believe in a different Australia.

An Australia where your destiny is not pre-determined by your parents’ wealth or your postcode.

A fair and prosperous nation populated by a creative and productive people.
..

The Budget papers reveal the economic truth.

Australia is fundamentally strong, and so is the legacy Labor left behind.

Low inflation

Low interest rates

Net debt peaking at just one seventh of the level of the major advanced economies.

A triple-A credit rating with a stable outlook from all three international ratings agencies – one of only eight countries in the world.

Superannuation savings larger than the size of our whole economy

And around a million new jobs created

That’s what we left.

……

Labor created Medicare because we believe that the health of any one of us is important to all of us.

We are all members of the Australian family and Medicare is, at its core, a family measure.

And with it, we created a new community standard one that is now 40 years old.

We reject a US-style, two-tiered system where your wealth determines your health.

…

we want a quality education for all Australians.

……

Labor knows the only answer to this challenge is to make the right investments in skills and productivity.

You meant he part where trioli ran the grubmints figures as if they were real and shorten spent most of the time correcting her?

I never said it was a great piece or oration, but, it put forward their vision, with some explicit examples, and it also highlighted the stupidity of churnalists treating grubmint press releases and figures as gospel. And gave air to an alternative.

fully pwned by trioli

trioli pwned herself, even on the metadata, which I hate. But, I would also highlight that Labor have never been against this kind of policy, unlike the mob who are bringing it in now. Talk about Hypocrisy, the libs went hard against the child filter in the last Parliament, but are now pushing something far more extreme themselves. Labor are continuing in their meddlesome ways, but everyone expects them to oppose it, just because they are the “opposition”.

I don’t agree with it, and it goes far further than their previous child filter policy, which I can see the use of, but I find it stupid in the extreme to lambast Labor over it and let the libs off scott free, when Labor have always argued for this kind of thing, and the libs, when it suits, argues against, then when it suits, argue for it. At least Labor is consistent, albeit too consistent in this regard

Shorten highlighted to trioli that without Labor, even the small protections offered to churnalists wouldn’t exist, but she would have none of that, so quickly “moved on” to how great yabot was, and how shit Shorten is. She’s an embarrassment, and Shorten played it quite well considering the entrenched bias he was up against.

You just don’t like ‘Blib”, in the same way yomm didn’t like Gillard, it’s just a pure hate without any real foundation but your own personal prejudices.

THE federal government has defended its backflip on funding cuts to legal aid services, saying it was consistent with its push to tackle domestic violence.

The fact that this backflip had to be bludgeoned into them shows just how divorced from reality they really are. And that when it comes to anything to do with the libs, ‘consistent ‘ is not a word to be used, except when grinding down the less well off, or attempts to. But, it is welcome news.

The prime minister has called for an urgent national approach to tackle domestic and family violence and yet crucial services for victims are being cut. The loss of support services is causing alarm, especially in regional areas where victims are already isolated. Hagar Cohen travelled to Broken Hill and Mildura to investigate.

Update: The Attorney General has announced that the cuts to Community Legal Services will not proceed, saving the jobs of many front line lawyers working with women experiencing domestic violence. 26th March 2015. Press release here.

tr”””You just donât like âBlib`, in the same way yomm didn`t like Gillard””””#WRONG

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tr””””it`s just a pure hate without any real foundation but your own personal prejudices””””””’#WRONG

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tr”’So be it, but at least be big enough to admit to it””#WRONG

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#blib was an excellent onion operator, successfully kicking overpaid arses like you-know-who and representing his members, l have never said otherwise, however, blib is well out of his depth (and on the nose #double-knifing) in federal politics, blib is now promoted well beyond his capability.

#Clearly, blib has no new ideas, nor direction, other than to be teabag-lite. Not just on the `corporate-profit` topics either, but labor under blib will remain teabag-lite on `personal-liberties` too, voluntary-euthanasia, gay-marriage, and oh fcuk! this weeks `citizens-privacy` with their warrantless/secret wire-tap/meta, stick it to the little guy, be a fcuking teabag too! No social justice here with blib.

Meanwhile, West Australian Premier Colin Barnett said there had been an over-reaction to Mr Forrest’s idea to cap production.

“If you flood the market, you hurt yourself, you hurt the smaller companies, you certainly hurt your shareholders, and I think the iron ore industry should be supplying to meet the market,” Mr Barnett said.

well team-cheerer, the fact that you are `listing` at me, shows you (willfully.?) miss the point. For a start, l don`t give a flying-fcuk about the carbon-TAX, and never have, you present yourself as a fool using it (yet-again) in arguing it with me.

#You also miss the point that the majority of voters decide, not by the whopping long lists team-cheerers run about with, they don`t. For example, single-mothers that were arse-fcuked by joolya when she recruited mr-rabbit to slash their pensions, remember that, not the carbon-TAX. Like-wise, those that care about their own PRIVACY, will remember how easily mr-rabbit recruited blib, and how little blib opposed giving away the average-joe`s privacy to the likes of mr-rabbit. Let`s also hope the independents and greens remember this at next election, and beat equally blib and mr-rabbit about the head with it, and cost the bastards seats.

#Just like `privacy`, other voters will care about `gay-marriage` and `voluntary-euthanasia`, where too, they will not find any fcuking difference between blib`s lite-teabags and mr-rabbits full-strength teabags.

you seem to forget, blib and friends were not focused on this as a `priority` in their -6-years, instead they chose to chase phantom `super-profits`, and shows a solid lack of judgment and unable to identify the important. Fancy not closing loop-hole for `all` mega-rich corporates, and fritter away efforts on market-dependent `phantoms` #military.grade.stupid

Sums up that post beautifully. So, you reckon a super profits tax, which would now be reaping million, is stupid. Don’t fucken complain about budgetary pressures then, cos they had a tax that was going to make money, and the libs got rid of it.

As for Carbon Price, I don’t give a fuck about your opinion on it, the simple fact is Labor had one, it made money, the libs got rid of it.

If you want to restrict examples of differences with libs to things you like, then you are more deluded than I had ever assumed

Limited News”””””Job seekers complained of completing endless amounts of training but with no job opportunities; one job seeker told me he could have wallpapered a room with all the certificates he had””””’#ponzi.quals

`I see no problem with anyone .. who receives welfare doing something in return”””””””’#clueless.cubicle.dweller

#by all means, let`s discourage business from actually creating full-time jobs, it`s much better to have business wetting it`s break in the `welfare-pond` and receiving kick-backs for `minor`employment of `dole-office-slaves` and labor-hire.

ToM, neither do I … but is a social concept … something the Liberals (tories) abhor … funny, hey?

And tbagz makes very real point … there are very few jobs …

In my 45 years in the workforce, I was only out of work for six weeks (and therefore ineligible for any support at the time – under then legislation – despite supporting two a wife and two small children) …

I was 35 and told THEN by the Job Centre it would be difficult to find a job because I was now middle aged! I remember actually laughing at the woman …

But it is this byline that cuts to the core of what is wrong with the oz attacking a PS for the grubmint.

Human Rights Commission president tells senators her recommendation was questioned ‘in the pages of a particular newspaper’ rather than parliament

Also wondering what has become of this request?

The shadow attorney general, Mark Dreyfus, wrote to the Australian federal police to ask them to examine whether the attorney general, George Brandis, had committed an offence by offering Triggs a job in exchange for her resignation.

The cynicism or prematurity of the Telegraph’s article was exposed, but it served its purpose at the time. Last week, the Moss review recommended that “the department should review its decision to have the Save the Children staff members removed”.

I must admit to being more than a little nonplussed with the latest Trigg drama and went looking for the manslaughter case against Basikbasik and came across this …

Gillian Triggs is president of the Australian Human Rights Commission, longtime feminist, and super-articulate wonderwoman.

And this week, she’s come under fire for making a decision at work involving a man who fatally beat his pregnant wife.

Now, Mamamia has never — and will never — condone violence against women.

We believe, in short, that there’s a special place in hell for men who kill their partners and children — and by all accounts, Basikbasik was a nasty, vile piece of work. But today, we’re defending Gillian Triggs against the Government’s attacks, and we’re defending her right to recommend that nasty, vile piece of work be freed from detention.

And here’s why:

Because the nature of human rights is that they apply to everybody – not just those people we agree with or the people whose actions and behaviour we like.

The essence of human rights is that they’re universal, indivisible and interconnected.

They apply to people convicted of crimes and to those with no criminal record, to people with mental disabilities, and to people with nasty temperments, and to people whose opinions or character we dislike.

And under human rights law, there are some very clear rules which say, amongst other things, that everyone has the right to liberty, and to due process in court, and to freedom from arbitrary detention.

Justice — and respect for human rights — does not mean a dangerous person like Basikbasik is jailed forever; instead, as Tom Dick wrote for Fairfax today: “It means he is given due process, and not detained without proper reason. It means his complaint is heard and those who determine it are respected.”

Malala’s speech will once again knock your socks off.

It is not appropriate for the Government to attack Triggs – a member of the judiciary – for interpreting the law as it stands. That is her job.

When political leaders like Mr Abbott and Mr Morrison publically attack holders of public office like Triggs, that undermines their independence and impartiality, as a group of human rights academics wrote today in an open letter.

””I see no problem with anyone .. who receives welfare doing something in return””#clueless.cubicle.dweller””

#it was also directed at the fact that people ARE doing something in `return`, while corporations are NOT,

#unpaid-interns are one of those group of people, that ARE doing something for their `dole`, to the benefit of some of the big-corporations, more of them women too, but you won`t find you-know-who running his `pretend-feminista` routine here tho.

#labor-hire, heaps of on `dole` too, one day here and half-day there aint enough to live on,

#both groups are tax-payer subsided workers, with the `businesses` getting the major benefit, but the `numbers` are kept from the public.

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#Happening-Now, highly paid `check-out`chicks are being laid-off by major retailers as `self-serve` check-outs are installed, we can rely on our `pretend-feminista` to not give a flying-fcuk about these women either and continue to bleat incessantly about the waitress getting double-time for her 3-hour shift once a week.

But, now as I type it, when you have made political enemies of a Human Rights Commissioner, Save the Children and the UN, your intent seems clear.

And we travel a similar path … to quote … me …

“””The new Social Liberalisation of Australia … or is that Liberal Socialism … or Liberal Nationalism …. or National Socialism …”””

#both groups are tax-payer subsided workers, with the `businesses` getting the major benefit, but the `numbers` are kept from the public.

Yes … another “privatisation” con job on the people … the CES (Commonwealth Employment Service) was far more effective in matching employers and employees … (having used the “service” from both ends) … they concerned themselves with jobs … not counting live humans in and out of the door …

highly paid `check-out`chicks …

Many are actually young men if you look … as for highly paid????

From my own perspective I refuse to use “self-serve” and loudly tell everyone why …

Once all the jobs are robotised … what do the Robber Barons do then … build concentration camps and fool us with slogans like … “Arbeit Macht Frei”

Or does social independence kick in for all and we live a parallel to Star Trek’s Federation of United Planets … where people do what they excel at … within a society unrestrained from basic human needs … and greed …

#l`ve always seen previously, `check-out`chicks were a bit over 2/3rds female, (66-70%) teebz, yeah sure, there will be `locations` here and there that will be exceptions. l think the 77% this study uses is probably a bit over-blown, but then again, they did insist on using the ABS and l wonder if the ABS `believe` their own numbers here too.

Don`t worry kneel, we both know the garden-gnome will squeak back in. Let`s face it, nsw contains a special class of stupid, and they won`t have learned yet. They need a double-dose of teabag before `learning` will kick-in.

#l`ve always seen previously, `check-out`chicks were a bit over 2/3rds female, (66-70%) teebz, yeah sure, there will be `locations` here and there that will be exceptions. l think the 77% this study uses is probably a bit over-blown, but then again, they did insist on using the ABS and l wonder if the ABS `believe` their own numbers here too.

Shakes head … in today’s environment your original remark was SEXIST!

My reply was … being “kind” … a simple “checkout operator” would suffice … and you added to the insult by calling them “highly paid” …

we just can`t take the word of the `working-class` tho teebz, we better check what the `elite` say over at brw

brw””””I`m over work. I am over the travel, the politics. I have been there 15 years in May. I wouldn`t go back into a branch because I donât like the sales and the quotas.” These women had the added difficulty of parents who required caring and who couldnât provide babysitting support for them.Their ideal job? Check-out chick. School-friendly hours, you could forget about it when youâre finished and get 5 per cent off groceries.

I hear a version of this conversation almost every time I listen to mothers talk about work.””””””’

teebz””””””But just because people other than you use a phrase or word doesnât make the remark non-sexist â¦ especially to people who work on checkouts””””

#Let`s un-pack that

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But just because `check-out-chicks` use the phrase or word doesn`t make the remark non-sexist, especially to people who work on checkouts

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But just because `waitress/es` use the phrase or word doesn`t make the remark non-sexist, especially to people who work as `waitperson/s`

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But just because `gays` use the phrase or word doesn`t make the remark non-`phobic`, especially to people who are homosexual

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#you`re peddling political correctness gone-mad teebz, l would consider it `iggorance` to try and ram down other demographic groups throat, the `slang` THEY-choose to use about/for themselves. EG l don`t particularly like the term `nigger`, but you have no hope in hell of convincing me to lecture the `hip-hop/rap-crowd` about it. lt`s THEIR choice.

FYI, I told three Gen X men as, I took ’em to a beer tasting in town yesterday, what we were talking about, (two of ’em ex ADF and one a truckie) … they flipped … most original comment, “what a fucking Dickhead®!”

If you want to trade anecdotal quotes of you quoting a quote of someone reflecting what they thought was a quote from a complete stranger(s) …

1. Reverting to traditional ALP memes like the Yellow Peril and the White Australia Policy doesn’t cut it any more.

2. Dancing to the Union tune is not a good look.

3. Plastering Sam Dastardly all over the media is pissing in our faces. It only reminds us that the ALP is rotten to the core. Remember, at the very same time that there was talk of the need to decrease Union control of the Party, Feeney and Dastyari were given parliamentary sinecures as reward for clawing their way to the top of the Unionland shit-pile.

4. Memo to union hack Foley: The Greens are your enemy. They are rendering the ALP increasingly irrelevant. The Koala Summit and other Green arse-licking tactics make you look stupid and are a step towards your own demise.

You can gain an idea of the reason public servants need to be refreshed frequently by this little “complexity” gem …

“Overly risk-averse attitudes from policy advisers and administrators, combined with complex legislative drafting styles, have also led to complexity. Governance arrangements should ensure tax design and administration practices minimise unnecessary complexity and support the implementation of sound tax.”

How much do we pay these wankers?

20% across the board tax on any income … no claims, no income tax returns …

check-out chicks are being laid-off by major retailers as `self-serve` check-outs are installed

#and l will go further and predict, the usual celebrity, talking-head feminista that court the media will totally ignore these women and their job-loss and/or job-reduction. So will teabag-media. That is largely why the females in my family think the feminista are cranks and largely useless, and only dabble in political correctness. (Notice many power-women publicly claim NOT to be feminists, gina, joolya, jooLIE-b, albrectsen, kelly-wbc-ceo)

#you tb, have done what the feminista often do, and make much ado about little, remember Greer on qandaland making much ado about joolya`s jackets and joolya`s arse.?

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teebz”””I was making the case its a strong as yours”””#WRONG

#it is strange to see somebody that just bleated `sexist`, demographics white, male, probably never been a check-out chick, safari-suiter, thongs, think he has the right to call women that call `themselves` check-out chicks `sexist` is just plain absurd.

hint, HER WORDS ””’check-out chook, (too old to be a chick)””’

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btw, maybe sometime `dunny-scrubber` or `broom-pusher` will be used by me, save your breath, l think we `all` have been cleaners at some time or the other, no, not `sanitation-technician` or any other politically correct corporatised americanisms of the day either. We just don`t subscribe to that shit, tho you can if you want to.

If only we could get rid of self-serve petrol stations too! And have a couple of guys walking around 25 cars filling the tanks and then going in and getting some cash change for us.

And if only we could get rid of those scanning things and go back to the days when lots of people used to go around putting a price on everything and those checkout chicks used to push the buttons to add up the price.

And if only Al Gore didn’t invent the internet, then we wouldn’t email all the time and we’d need even more posties to deliver lots more letters and Australia Post would be raking in the money instead of going broke.

And if only nanna roxon didn’t make cigarettes have brown packs, we would all be smoking better quality tobacco and be healthier.

And if only the teabagz or the feministas didn’t make that plane get shot down over the Ukraine

There is a good piece in the Tele today on the Green demographic. Gentrification has meant that ordinary working folk have been driven out of by moralising Greenie wankers. It is a sign of the times. ALP workers out, upper-middle class Greens in. No doubt Albo will, sooner or later, be replaced by a Green.

Sadly, privileged lefties have swarmed inner-city neighbourhoods like a plague of cockroaches bidding up the price of housing so that the next generation of workers cannot afford to live there. As the old generation of workers dies out a flock of smug vultures, squawks and flaps and drools at the prospect of nirvana through inner city realty. Hypocritically their happiness depends on them perfecting the middle class lifestyle, all cafes, restaurants and wanky art galleries. Kill. Them. All.

The release of the December quarter financial accounts this week underscores the continuation of some concerning trends across the economy. Debt levels have reached record highs at 250% of GDP. And this is occurring due to rapid increases in the sectors where it is undesirable and not enough in sectors where it is needed. Of the former, household indebtedness hit a fresh record high in the quarter as the sector chases dwelling prices higher. This will become of increasing concern when interest rates do eventually rise again from a current record lows. The Commonwealth government’s debt also hit a fresh record high in the quarter. This is a reflection of the government not being able to pass any significant saving measures and a weaker nominal economy than expected.

And unfortunately is not due to the significantly more preferable borrowing for well reasoned and costed infrastructure projects.

“”So all those bar staff, waiters and baristas I see are ‘family’ are they ROFL””

Not all but plenty would be. In fact the largest growth I have anecdotally seen myself is in the hole in the wall specialty coffee outlets that open at 6:30am and are closed by 5pm. They are so tiny they would barely pay any rent.

They just sell coffee and snacks all day long and are often staffed by a man and a woman only.

Except Labor looked at tackling this, and did, against much opposition from the opposition and their cheerers. hockey even scrapped the 15 per cent tax on super earnings over $100,000, and now wants to “look into it”. Fix ya fuckups first hock:ey

Something about a man and a women being highly profitable. Presumably if you put two men in a hole in the wall all day their specialties might expand include other things, like donuts. Profitability would depend on the manner and duration of service.

Why talk about important policy when we can blather on with the usual fucking stupid sniping ?

Oh, the irony …

Someone should tell Jockey that you suffer a loss, you don’t make one …

I see the Tax Report wants a serious look at negative gearing too … its interesting to watch which TV programs leave it out of the list …

They are indeed somewhat profitable. But only because they don’t pay penalties and they don’t take many breaks.

That’s because they don’t get pissed off with the conditions because they are making a living

If you look at the Award you’ll find that penalties also apply to openings before 7am.

Because employees aren’t family and have their own lives to lead …

Its easy to see people who haven’t worked for wages …

I used to work four hours overtime every day except Friday – if I worked the extra day tax would take all my overtime @ time and a half …

Penalty rates can be bypassed by paying people over the award (ie a decent living wage) … businesses always have a choice … but the hours are inconsistent …

I was once “given” a management training consultancy (RTO) along with two consultants … after doing the numbers and checking the resumes, I “gave it back” … the headaches involved would have netted us @$20,000 … not worth it …

IT sounds like the name of a new TV station and it could prove to be just as entertaining.
Jacqui Lambie is setting up her own political party to highlight Tasmanian issues on the national stage.
The independent senator, previously a member of the Palmer United Party, has applied to the Australian Electoral Commission to register the Jacqui Lambie Network.

What a complete joke.

PUP – a mad woman, a fat crazed ex footballer and a fat mad bloke (with his side kick)

The Abbott government has no intention of ever repaying government debt. None. It has, quite quietly, announced that it plans to keep borrowing so that government debt remains at 13 per cent of GDP right out to at least 2054-55 which means government debt will be $1.6 trillion. Yes $1.6 trillion of government debt.

“The Abbott government has no intention of ever repaying government debt. None.”

I’m confused. Does the Kouk think this is a good thing or a bad thing? Or does he, like your three other gurus, think we should borrow an additional, say, $100 billion because money’s never been so cheap?

“But now, debt is good, s long as the libs are running it … apparently”

Debt is out of control. The government (this one, or a future Labor government, it makes no difference) will have to keep borrowing more and more, just to meet normal government expenditure. Without drastic reform, this is the situation we all now face.

Essendon Football Club – Press Release
Statement by James Hird
On behalf of the club, I would like to say that we are glad this sorry saga has ended and the result has vindicated the club culture.
Forthwith I am pleased to say Essendon Football Club will –
• Resume injecting players with god knows what, and other stuff as well
• Decline to keep records of the stuff we inject
• Ensure our players sign consent forms, to protect the club from any problems about injecting them with some stuff that we feel like injecting
• Use only the most highly qualified quacks to inject them
• Engage only the best public relations companies and lawyers to protect our interests and reputation

I bet you the changes to Superannuation that Labor supporters want have the opposite effect.

If wealthy people are not encouraged to contribute extra to Super i bet you they find other ways to avoid tax and the extra tax that the govt wants to collect may end up being the same or even less. The ALP is the party of the unintended stuff ups.

I can’t think of anything at the moment but i am sure there are other ways the wealthy can avoid tax. Best to let them put money into Super and the govt gets at least 15%.

‘THE blackest day for Australian sport was actually a “pathetic” move by the Gillard government to manipulate the news cycle for its own political ends, Prime Minister Tony Abbott says.

‘Mr Abbott today stepped up his criticism of the previous Labor government’s response to claims of doping, game-fixing and links with organised crime within the country’s most popular sporting codes.

‘“I’m not saying everything’s perfect when it comes to sport and performance-enhancing drugs,” he told 2GB.

‘“But far from being the blackest day for Australian sport, it was a black day for politics frankly, it was a black day for the Labor Party.”

‘Realising it was in “all sorts of trouble”, the government had chosen to tarnish the reputations of Australia’s sporting elite and use the Australian Crime Commission to do it for a short-term political distraction, he said.

‘“It was a really silly, squalid, sordid thing for them to do … it’s absolutely pathetic,” he said.’

“Labor senator Sam Dastyari accused Mr Ferguson of a “bastard act” and the party is now considering a motion to expel him.”

Obviously Sam Dastardly has no comprehension that he, and the corrupt cronyism that put him in the Senate, is the real problem. The reason Labor is out of touch is that it is so insistent on doing the bidding of its union overlords.

Ferguson had the temerity to tell the Union lackey Foley what Keating and others had told previous NSW Labor leaders – serve the people not the Unions. For his trouble he gets a good screeching from someone who, in any sane world, would be a laughing stock – so enfeebled of brain, so crafty with deals and secrets is he.

If you want to be really hated in the Labor party make sure you are the one telling it like it is – pedophiles, sleazebags and crooks get off lightly by comparison in Unionland.

#it`s just that cocooned cnuts that dwell behind desks don`t see them, for example motor-mechs and their ta might have their regular lunch-break at a slower part of the day, 1100-1130, so that they are ready for the 1200-100 busier period, when `accountant` types are most likely wanting to drop their vehicle in, and then have an arvo-smoko 200-220ish #teabag

I remember a doc arriving at 4:00 pm with his BMW for a four hour service (booked in for 11:00 am … and suggesting to me (service advisor) that we could put more mechs onto his car to get the service done more quickly … “like putting more surgeons on to finish the operation more quickly?” … or “more GP’s to speed up a diagnosis? You mean”

He got the message …

Many “professionals” are just egotistical twits … with no understanding of the world around them …

In July 1985, the Hawke/Keating government quarantined negative gearing interest expenses (on new transactions), so interest could only be claimed against rental income, not other income. (Any excess could be carried forward for use in later years.) What is less appreciated is that Hawke/Keating introduced negative gearing only six months prior.

teebz”””””’just egotistical twits .. with no understanding of the world around them”””#agree

#what amuses me the most is that they believe the road to x-topia relies on making the poorest poorer and dictating personal liberties of others, and they don`t think there will be any of the `blow-back` that has happened in history.

VICTORIA’S $6.1 billion desalination plant will remain idle for another financial year at a cost of $1.8 million a day to taxpayers.

STATE water reserves sit at 71.4 per cent capacity, meaning the plant has remained idle since it opened in 2012 and won’t get a water order in 2015-16.
Victorians pay $1.8 million a day to the builders even if no water is ever ordered.

“I did not know this but apparently negative gearing was a Hawke/keating invention”

Not so:

In December 1967, the Commissioner of Taxation issued an income tax ruling giving tacit approval to negative gearing.[26]

On 30 June 1983 the Treasurer announced that the Commissioner would not be changing the long standing practice of allowing deductions in full for interest on moneys borrowed to invest in rent-producing properties where the interest and other outgoings exceeded the rental income in any year.[27] This came after a brief period when the Victorian Deputy Commissioner took matters into his own hands by denying real estate investors in Victoria a deduction for interest expenses to the extent they exceeded rental income.[28]

However by 1985 the government came to realise that negative gearing of rental properties was one of Australia’s most popular tax shelters. The Draft White Paper on ‘Reform of the Australian Tax System’, published in June 1985, estimated that negative gearing of rental properties cost the revenue about $175 million per annum, and recommended quarantining measures.[29]

This journal article on negative gearing details the relevant history. Wikipedia seems to be wrong on this point.