Yes. James Holmes was identified as a danger by his college but since the semester was over they dropped the issue. Adam Lanza was going to be treated but his mother had to go through too many hoops especially after CT did not pass a law that would have made it easier to get him the help he needed. Both Aurora and Newtown could have been avoided if we treated mental illness as a serious problem.

i'm not trying to push an agenda here - just curious. for gun owners...

if you have a child whose mental state has brought you to the point of deciding to commit them to an institution. and you know that this child is very familiar with using firearms...what do you do with your guns? i realize there are other variables here, like whether or not there's a history of violent outbursts, but i'm just approaching this very broadly.

again, this isn't about gun control, and i'm not saying what you SHOULD do with them. i'm just curious.

Yes. James Holmes was identified as a danger by his college but since the semester was over they dropped the issue. Adam Lanza was going to be treated but his mother had to go through too many hoops especially after CT did not pass a law that would have made it easier to get him the help he needed. Both Aurora and Newtown could have been avoided if we treated mental illness as a serious problem.

How is that a controversial position?

How wanting to lock away the mentally ill is a controversial position?

shmenguin wrote:i'm not trying to push an agenda here - just curious. for gun owners...

if you have a child whose mental state has brought you to the point of deciding to commit them to an institution. and you know that this child is very familiar with using firearms...what do you do with your guns? i realize there are other variables here, like whether or not there's a history of violent outbursts, but i'm just approaching this very broadly.

again, this isn't about gun control, and i'm not saying what you SHOULD do with them. i'm just curious.

Probably wouldn't keep them anywhere that he has access to, perhaps in a locked room in a safe or something like that. It's tough to say in that situation though because i've never been there.

people have left manifestos behind. it certainly doesn't apply to all incidents, but even it it's just "some", it's worth examining. i also suggest watching this.

are you saying that you believe that the publicity/legacy makes no difference in all cases?

Interesting clip with good advice from the psychologist, but I'm not sure you can statistically show that his assertion has merit.

I'm sure publicity has some effect, but I don't see how limiting/preventing instant reporting of events on CNN or other networks is going to prevent details of those events from coming out, whether it be in weekly or monthly magazines or books written about the events. Short of a blanket blackout on coverage, details of the events will come out on way or another.

people have left manifestos behind. it certainly doesn't apply to all incidents, but even it it's just "some", it's worth examining. i also suggest watching this.

are you saying that you believe that the publicity/legacy makes no difference in all cases?

Interesting clip with good advice from the psychologist, but I'm not sure you can statistically show that his assertion has merit.

I'm sure publicity has some effect, but I don't see how limiting/preventing instant reporting of events on CNN or other networks is going to prevent details of those events from coming out, whether it be in weekly or monthly magazines or books written about the events. Short of a blanket blackout on coverage, details of the events will come out on way or another.

"statistics"? eh. the guy who shot up the gym left a message for the world. and we heard it because of his actions. the unibomber famously had a manifesto. and it was heard because of this actions. i can't put this in a math problem or compare it to switzerland, but if you don't think that's "evidence" (and remember the difference between evidence and proof) of publicity being a potential contributor to , i don't know what to say.

Did any attacker's "manifesto", or did any friends/relatives/acquaintances of the attacker, make mention of the attacker being influenced by news reports of past mass murders? If not, it's highly speculative to put the blame on the news media.

That's a tough one. It seems like a pretty modern facility, and I can understand the view of keeping the school as it is to demonstrate that the community can overcome this tragedy. But I can't imagine these kids learning in rooms where their classmates were gunned down. That's just too much.