...and it's in the grocery store!! Not kidding. It is much more pricey than the rest on the shelf but cheaper than the brand names in specialty stores. The ingredients are on par with many of the brand names though! Check it out...

Welcome to the forum, echoica.
We love photos of your pets- just thought I would be the first one to ask
Just out of curiousity, you don't work for PC Brands do you? You sound like a social marketing strategy
Anyway, welcome and enjoy.

Welcome to the forum, echoica.
We love photos of your pets- just thought I would be the first one to ask
Just out of curiousity, you don't work for PC Brands do you? You sound like a social marketing strategy
Anyway, welcome and enjoy.

Haha! Nope I don't work for PC

I did post a thread with pics to the 'Introduce Yourself Here' forum but I got a message saying that he has to be approved first?! Weird!?

Welcome to the forum Echoica your animals are lovely. I went to the PC Brands website but was unable to find any of the Nutrition 1st dog food with vegetables and fruit listed as ingredients. Maybe they don't have the food you bought on their website yet. Can you give us the full name of the PC food?

President's Choice has made this so confusing .....their old formula was called President's Choice Nutrition 1st and their new formula is called President's Choice Nutrition First and they still haven't updated their website.

The list of ingredients for the new formula was posted by Hound Dog in this thread ....

1. Herring meal .....it is likely preserved with ethoxyquin unless President's Choice has specified to the supplier that they want it preserved naturally.

2. Vitamin K .....I would want clarification if it is Vitamin K1 or Vitamin K3. If it is Vitamin K3 it is menadione sodium bisulfite complex which is also believed to cause cancer.

The last time I was in Extra Foods here I checked out the price and it was $39.99 for the large bag. You can buy Acana (www.championpetfoods.com) here for $45.99 for the large bag and it has better ingredients. Acana is also made at their own manufacturing plant so well worth the extra six dollars imo.

I too think it is too grain heavy, and you can get good food at a specialty store for a similar price. I dont like any pet food at a grocery store, purina, iams, ol roy, they are all the same, you pay $5 for one kind or $35 for the other. The food you mentioned is an imrovement over the corn based foods, but still over priced imo.

This ingredient list is not current. Please see the main ingredients in my first post for the CURRENT list (Brewer's rice has been removed from the formulation by PC for example)

Glad the brewer's rice has been removed but, as I stated in my above post, I still would be more concerned about the type of Vitamin K they use as well as what the herring meal was preserved with by the supplier as PC does not need to list ethoxyquin on their label as an ingredient if "they" did not add it.

I do agree that it is better than the other brands at the supermarket but it is overpriced imo when compared with Acana.

A friend of mine is feeding the salmon and potatoe and her 2 are doing good on it.and it's cheaper then the california natural herring and sweet potatoe that i'm feeding.

Not everyone can afford acana or their dogs don't do well on it.jag did at first then had a major weight loss well on acana and is now putting weight back on with the california natural.with i might have two switch to the pc brand myself due to $$

I was feeding the acana adult.i can't afford their salmon or any of their fish.i paying a little less for the california natural the i was the acana.

How much do you pay for California Natural back there? Both of Naturapet's California Natural and Innova formulas are alot more expensive than Acana is here and their EVO formula is $79 for the large bag.

President's Choice has made this so confusing .....their old formula was called President's Choice Nutrition 1st and their new formula is called President's Choice Nutrition First and they still haven't updated their website.

The list of ingredients for the new formula was posted by Hound Dog in this thread ....

We should be. But we should be even more picky about our pet's food because in many cases (unfortunately) all they eat is a highly processed commercial diet. Pet food companies have hoodwinked society (and vets) into believing that only commercial pet food should be fed, that "table scraps" and "people food" are bad for them. What a load of hooey. So if we're going to rely so heavily on these foods as our pets' main source of nutrition, it better be a quality product with every ingredient under scrutiny. Too bad that's not the case for the majority of pet owners, who are far too gullible to slick advertising and pretty packaging.

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i find it hard to believe dog food is so political that it feeds into the vets pockets or something ridiculous...

Believe it. Pet food is a multi-BILLION dollar industry. You'd be naive to think that the bottom line for pretty much every single pet food manufacturer isn't $$$. And vets are just shills for some of the biggest players (Hill's, Medi-cal/Royal Canin, Purina, etc), having been brainwashed in school and then sucked in by the lucrative earnings. You said in another post you were a vet-tech - did you actually go to school for that? Because if you did, you would have seen it first-hand. Some links you might be interested in:

Well, I don't think I am "naive" or "brainwashed". And I think a lot of professionals would be offended by some of those statements - particularly those of us that really care for animals even if nutrition is not our #1 specialty. And last I checked, yes, one does have to go to school to become a vet tech??!! lol

I think you could try to be a little less food-nazi for those us who cannot afford your suggestions. And most of us are probably too lazy for it [true story ]. Do we love our pets less? I think not.

Ummm echoica - I am trying to find the right words as to not offend. Sugarcatmom is hardly a "food-nazi". I for one find that term offensive. SCM has done more research on pet foods, both dog and cat, than the majority of vets. She is our number one food guru here. She has spent countless hours reading, researching, doing everything she can to find the best information to help pets. I can not tell you how many pets she has indeed helped. Many people credit her with saving their cat's lives. She goes out of her way to look up the information to try to help.
Food is indeed the number one cause of a lot of illness in cats and dogs. Look at the recalls in recent years. Dry food for cats is deadly. Especially males. Cats need their fluid intake with their food, not beside it. It has been proven time and time again that dry food kills cats. Period.
One of SCM's favourite sites and one she didn't include on the list she gave is: http://www.catinfo.org/ Maybe you could take the time to read it and learn. You may be amazed by the wealth of info included in this document which, I might add, was written by a very well respected vet.
And - may I also add the very best food you can feed your animals, both cats and dogs, is a raw diet. I think you would be surprised to learn with a little knowhow and practice it is actually the most cost effective way to feed. It can also save megabucks down the road on vet bills.
Recently in another thread you said that you had thought of leaving this site because your opinion didn't seem to get much respect. I am hesitant to say that if this is how you take some well intended information then wow. Just wow! Please, stick around. We welcome everyone who is here to have fun and learn. But please if you expect respect you also need to give it.

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Assumptions do nothing but make an ass out of u and me.

We can stick our heads in the sand for only so long before it starts choking us. Face it folks. The pet population is bad ALL OVER THE WORLD!

Well, I don't think I am "naive" or "brainwashed" - I think a lot of professionals would be offended by some of those statements - particularly those of us that really care for animals even if nutrition is not our #1 specialty

Offended or not, they're true. Those that are offended the most are probably the ones for whom those statements are most applicable . I'm not saying these people (and you) don't care for animals. They just don't know enough real information about what cats and dogs should be eating. And unfortunately, due to their position of authority, they have far more influence on the average pet owner than they should, given this blatant conflict of interest.

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And last I checked, yes, one does have to go to school to become a vet tech! lol

Not in the U.S. you don't. And while I do know that in Canada you have to go to school, I wasn't sure if you were just saying you were a vet tech to make it sound like you knew more about this subject than you actually do.

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Originally Posted by echoica

I think you could try to be a little less pet-food-nazi (I use the term jokingly) for those of us who cannot afford your suggestions.

As long as cats are dying at the hands of pet food manufacturers in the huge numbers that they do, I won't shut up about this, and I won't sugar-coat it for those of you that can't handle the truth. You can take it or leave it, but if you're going to post about it, expect me to respond.

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And most of us are probably too lazy or busy for it [true story ].

If you have time to post on this message board, than you have time to make some pet food. Your laziness, I can't help you with.

I'm sorry that we've gotten off on the wrong foot. Your first post here, (and did very much wreak of shilling for PC, especially since you were doing it on another message board as well). The fact that you have stuck around is admirable. But I dare you to read the links I (and 14+) posted and then come back for more discussion on this.

Echoica, I get the impression that your attitude will prevent you from learning anything about pet nutrition. Sugarcatmom is the most knowledgable person here and you don't even want to listen to her.

And, as far as this thread being about PC Nutrition First dog food, you were given our opinions on that. If you don't have a problem with feeding your dogs ethoxyquin and menadione without ensuring that those ingredients are not used, then that is your perogative.

thanks rainbow! i am waiting to here back as well. when we do, it should be posted here. from what i have gather so far online it doesn't look like it is the aforementioned. but one cannot be sure unless we hear it from the horses mouth so to speak!!

Say wha? Regardless how you pick apart my post, my opinion stands, there is no junk in a grocery store pet isle i would feed my dogs. I NEVER said all foods at a specialty store are great, i said that is the only place they are available. I did say it is a step up from corn based, still wouldnt touch it, and it is expensive for what it is.

I went to school too, yup, worked in a vet clinic til i had kids, and guess what! Scm and others still know a whole crapload than me. I also learned most of what i know (which isnt a lot) from other people, try it.

I am not going to agree, you think its a great food, and thats nice, feed it to your pets, i am glad it is out there instead of the corn, but dogs dont get a choice, we have to pick something that meets their needs in 1 food.
If you could only eat 1 food what would it be? Hot dogs because it is protien and cheap?

i never said it was a great food. i said it was a positive step forward for a grocery store to come up with something like this. the quality for the price is actually quite good when compared to it's counterparts. likewise, i never said i fed it either.

i never said it was a great food. i said it was a positive step forward for a grocery store to come up with something like this. the quality for the price is actually quite good when compared to it's counterparts. likewise, i never said i fed it either.

thanks for all your comments! much appreciated. take care.

Mmmm, seems like this isn't getting any better, doesn't it? :sad: I am sorry to see that certain posts in this thread have been deleted where indeed, unless you buy the food just to have it in your house for visitors, it was inferred you fed this food. I distinctly remember where you said you had already thrown out the dog food bag after dumping the food in plastic containers but that you still had the cat food one available. Those are the threads that have been deleted. How unfortunate. I just don't know how I should feel about all of this. It's starting to feel for sure like a sales pitch.

Oh, btw, what Sugarcatmom does is hardly a "hobby".
Now how about we all play nice?

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Assumptions do nothing but make an ass out of u and me.

We can stick our heads in the sand for only so long before it starts choking us. Face it folks. The pet population is bad ALL OVER THE WORLD!