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same, worse of all is that I have been working out for a while now, I've seen huge increases in strength and leanness however I'm still pretty skinny. and light as fuck too. I have no idea how, I know people that are heavier than me and yet I am taller and slightly thicker too, my bones must be made out of carbon fiber or I might be missing a few organs

Anyone can get fat with enough calories.Some people have higher metabolisms, but honestly it's not by much:http://examine.com/faq/does-metabolism-vary-between-two-people.html TLDR: people in the bottom 5% vs people in the top 5% for metabolism are a mere ~600 calories apart. The main difference I think is what you eat. If your drinks have calories that alone is another ~500 calories + per day.

You probably don't like eating as much as other people, but you definitely could gain weight if you wanted (and at 135 at 6'1 you might want to consider for health reasons). I say this as someone that was in a similar situation to you (6' 140) and now is at ~165 (lean) at 6'.

While this is true in theory, it is not so easy in practice. Amazingly, some fat people have a lot of trouble losing weight and some skinny people have as much trouble gaining it.

If gaining/losing weight was as easy for most people as it apparently was for you the weight loss and supplements industries wouldn't be raking in money hand over fist year after year.

My ex-husband was an eating machine. He was like a thoroughbred racehorse.

He could (and did) eat endless crisps, chips, sweets and ice cream whenever he wanted (which was all the time) and was thin as a rail. If he went on a healthy eating kick he'd almost immediately lose enough weight that his ribs and hipbones were clearly seen.

He really was a serial snacker, as well. He was never out of the presses looking for some kind of junk he could eat.

Weight loss/gain is a very simple game on paper. The numbers work out perfectly, but it doesn't always work out that way in actuality.

I never said it was easy, it took discipline, but it was simple. That's why the supplement industry is raking in money, no one wants to face reality. I went from 190lb strong and fat to 140lb weak/skinny to 165lb strong/lean.

Everyone knows a guy that eats all the time, but the fact is that 96% of people fall within that range. Unless you follow them around for weeks you can't know if they eat less on some days etc. If you are in the .3% of people that have hypothyroidism then yes, you need to get medicine, but again... .3%. Hyperthyroidism is incredibly rare (.03% roughly) in the US because iodine deficiency is so rare here. And if you're in that 2% on either side it's not like what you need to do is any different, you just have to work harder.

It's very simple on paper, and very simple in practice. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_Sparing_Modified_Fast#Results often obese people have to diet down before surgery and surprise surprise they can lose tons of weight when they actually are eating the calories they think they're eating. The same would be true of people that can't seem to bulk up. People rarely are eating the # of calories they think they're eating.

I hit a 2x shirt size my sophomore year of high school, eventually working my way up to just shy of 240lbs at 6'. Now I'm 6'3" and 175. I had hit a low of 160 just after I graduated, and all of my friends had started making jokes about me being anorexic and too skinny.

I still feel like a fatass, a lot of the time. Even more now that I'm single again. I'm fairly certain my self-image is just utterly ruined from my childhood.

When fat people lose weight they tend to look bad initially if they lost weight by diet alone (aka no weight lifting or strenuous cardio). 175 at 6 feet isn't actually skinny imo (but you don't NEED to lose more weight). Don't worry about it, you could lose another 20lb and still be in the "normal" category of bmi (which, while not accurate for athletes, is pretty good for the general population).

You should look at r/gainit. It might also be worthwhile to look into GOMAD or just drinking your calories in general. If you really want to, i'm sure you can gain weight. You're just gonna have to consume more calories than you have ever consumed in your life.

This happens to me ALL THE TIME. 5'6" F at 100lbs here so at least once a day I hear someone say that I need to eat more of this or that without my asking. Turns out I have a fast metabolism. If I had a "regular" metabolism I'd be huuuge thanks to my lack of exercise and healthy eating habits.

As a female who lived in Florida for 19 years, I was never good enough and always told I needed to lose some weight, or gain some. I was always around the same weights too, 105 - 115, at 5'4". Florida is just all around bad for body image. I also had both of those phrases thrown at me.

Why should it be taxed more? I hear this argument over and over. Unless you shop at Whole Paycheck or some trendy grocery, healthy food is not more expensive than unhealthy food. Learn what is in season. I stopped eating a lot of junk food, because frankly, it got ridiculously expensive compared to healthy food. Vegetables like onions, celery, garlic, and chile peppers cost almost nothing. Add cabbage, broccoli, mushrooms, other in season veggies, and cheap cuts of meat like chicken thighs, pork, or cheap beef and you have all kinds of cheap and tasty meals.

Same thing with fruit. Bananas are crazy cheap. A quart of strawberries is about $2 at walmart. Kiwis are 38 cents. A fucking bag of doritos costs $5. A meal at McD's or Wendy's for 1 person costs $7-10 these days. The math just doesn't add up.

If you want to argue that in poor areas, healthy food isn't available, I don't know but I won't disagree. Taxing what food is available won't help though.

Bananas are pure carbohydrates. Strawberries have 320 calories per kilogram. Are you going to eat a kilogram of strawberries? How about celery? 160kcal/kilo. Getting your caloric requirements from fruits and vegetables alone is difficult unless you have a lot of legumes or starches in there.

Dollar menu shit is cheap, and filling. Pasta is cheap, cooking for yourself is cheap. Meat from the store is not that expensive, and if you don't eat microwavable garbage or fast food all the time and instead cook for yourself it can be plenty healthy and balanced.

I agree with everything you said, I forgot to add the rice and pasta part. Celery and onions and vegetables don't have tons of calories, but they also help keep people from overeating. Portion control in the US is out of control. If you have stuff like celery in there, it's more food to eat. By the time you're body tells you you're full, you've eaten less calories. If you're eating calorie dense crap, that doesn't happen in time. If you have a mix of all of that stuff, you'll have a healthy and inexpensive diet. In a large family, those costs get spread around. You don't eat a kilogram of strawberries, you have a mix of fruits, veggies, meats and everything else. Along this comment trail, this somehow got skewed to talking about the poorest people. This whole submission is about average fat and skinny people bickering. I feel like we're getting away from that here a little too much.

In the spirit of that, I'd also like to say that some of us skinny people have this weird thing where when we sit down, it looks like we have a belly and fat rolls. That's why some of us say we're fat. If I'm standing up, I have almost no fat. I'm pinching skin. But when I sit, it's like quantum physics. Where the hell does the fat come from?!

Well, there is something wrong with it; it's bad for you. In moderation, you can live with it, but it's still shitty.

Shouldn't ban me from eating fried chicken and waffles just because Fatty McFatpants can't control his eating.

I'm not sure this is the best example though. Fried chicken and waffles in most places are made with healthy and fresh ingredients, they just contain a lot of fat. I was thinking more along the lines of cheap, low-grade, processed foods like Big Macs and Double Downs and Taco Bell. We would be better off as a planet if those places just closed down tomorrow.

And I don't think anyone is seriously considering banning you from eating shitty food. This is a bit of a straw man IMO.

Well, there is something wrong with it; it's bad for you. In moderation, you can live with it, but it's still shitty.

Lots of things in life are bad for me. I don't need the government telling me which of those (especially something so minor) I can or can't decide for myself. I eat incredibly healthy meals alongside incredibly unhealthy meals. We don't need laws for every little thing! I'm very left leaning, but jeeze, take some responsibility for your own personal health, people. It's not up to me or you to force people to be healthy. At least with smoking, it does actual physical harm to others around you. Fine, regulate that. But you being a superfatty does me no direct harm besides raise the cost of healthcare in the country.

Lots of things in life are bad for me. I don't need the government telling me which of those (especially something so minor) I can or can't decide for myself. We don't need laws for every little thing!

Could you elaborate on exactly what law you are objecting to? I'm not aware of any region in this country (I am from the US) where you are forbidden by law from eating a seven layer burrito.

I'm very left leaning, but jeeze, take some responsibility for your own personal health, people. It's not up to me or you to force people to be healthy.

No, but it is up to the government to look after the health of the people; example, the US has a Food and Drug Administration that doesn't let stores sell you rotted meat.

So, if you REALLY want to eat rotted meat, of course, you are free to do so, but it's still a good idea for there to be a law preventing stores from selling it, for the uninformed people who otherwise wouldn't know what they are eating.

Similar laws could be applied to shitty, low-grade, nasty food sold by McDonald's and Taco Bell. That is to say, we shouldn't prevent them from selling shitty food, but we should make laws that inform and educate people what they are dumping into their bodies.

People always say "Americans are too fat!" I think we can all agree that's a bad thing. Why did that happen though? Because over the past 30-40 years these disingenuous, shitty companies have been figuring out ways to design cheaper and more processed foods and then blitzing you with targeted marketing attacks to get regular people to shove horrible food down their gullets. This doesn't happen by accident, it is because of the bad intentions and greed of huge conglomerates and it's partially the government's responsibility to shield the public from malfeasance and predatory business practices, in all fields, including food production.

To take a laissez-faire attitude about it (it doesn't harm me, so fuck other people!) is the wrong approach, IMO. We should defend civil liberties, which is why you will always be legally able to buy your heart attack chili cheese dog and 96 Mountain Dew if you want it, but we should also balance that with protecting people's health in the public consciousness.

You are confusing these two things. Smoking in restaurants is banned because the smoke affects other patrons who did not make the personal choice that the smoker did.

Fattening food is not banned because it only affects the person eating the food.

However, some measures have been taken around the country to encourage normal human sized portions, without outright banning (like not permitting New York City establishments to sell sugary drinks in sizes greater than 16 oz.).

Second hand smoke has no provable correlation to breathing disorders or cancer. You consume more carcinogens from automobile exhaust.

The WHO, US Surgeon General and IARC disagree with you. You are the equivalent of a global warming denialist on this issue.

HOWEVER, that isn't really the point. The point is that people who don't want to breathe smoke in a restaurant or bar, shouldn't have to. If you do coke or shoot heroin, you can do it right next to me without it affecting me. So I don't care if you do it. It's your choice. If you smoke next to me, I have to breathe it. Same with weed. I love weed smoke and I don't smoke anymore, but I still don't think people should be smoking weed in public where others who don't want to smoke weed would have to breathe it. People have a right to unbefouled air in public or in establishments open to and serving the public.

Meanwhile the infrastructure of the nation adjusts to accommodate a people group who have chosen to partake in the most debilitating physical condition in existence.

I agree that the government should be involved in addressing the obesity epidemic, however we don't need to pretend that cigarette smoke is harmless in order to do that. It isn't either/or. They can do more than one thing at a time.

Exactly my point; if you really want to snarf down your 128-oz. of Mountain Dew that bad, you can get it in 8 glasses one at a time. That's civil liberties.

However, if someone who isn't as supremely informed about food choices as you are just orders a 'large' and guzzles down more of it without thinking because the container is 64 oz., and now maybe they stop at two because the containers are smaller, this law has already had a good effect and is serving its purpose.

No one is stopped from consuming gross amounts of Dr. Pepper, legally; but people with less informed outlooks on sugared drinks might consume less, and thus it's harder for big corporations to make enormous profit margins on poisoning people with cheaply made liquid garbage. The people who are informed, and still choose to guzzle down the poison, are free to do so.

2400 isn't that much on an off-day if you have hyperthyroidism. I have a regular thyroid as far as I know and was maintaining at 2500/3500 at 175lb. Don't worry about eating clean if you need more calories, eating ice cream won't take away the vitamins from the vegetables you ate earlier in the day.

I'm not kidding myself. I've had an eating disorder for the last two years. If I hadn't realised that 'fat' is just a noun, just another part of a human body (something I kind of needed), I'd probably be dead right now.

Skinny doesn't equal not fat, not healthy. Skinny people can be technically obese because all of their weight is made up of fat. Don't be so quick to judge.

Personal anecdote - I have a guy friend who questions what I eat and how often I go to the gym because he thinks I'm skinny. Well, at 29% body fat, it didn't matter how tiny I looked, I wasn't skinny. I was verging on being unhealthy. So when I tell you I'm fat, I'm not finishing for compliments. I'm being honest with myself.

I wish somehow an accurate measurement for measuring bodyfat were widely available. Bioimpedance things are only good for relative measurements (aka tend to be off by the same % from reality as long as you use them after you wake up but are not reflective of actual BF%).

For me its terribly uncomfortable. Clothes dont fit, doesnt feel good holding your arms together, and anything that feels the bones banging into each other. Sitting down in any hard surface is uncomfortable as theres no cushion. I cant even do a sit up without my spine making me go to one side or the other. Have to put a big pad down to do them correctly.

You just can't go about a normal day, its always on your mind. Every time I clench my fist together I look at my knuckles and think how repulsive they are. Im ~6' and 125lbs. Fucking hate it. Worked out with a private trainer for a year and got pretty toned, but didnt gain any mass. In fact, I feel I was pushed too far. I have stretch marks on my back and knees from it.

Honestly, almost every single person comments on it. Hugging new people "oh I dont want to break you!", you also cant help but think everyone is lookin at you. Doctor says "oh thats just your build, you'll be like that for life" so no appetite increasers or anything just a "you'll be one of those guys"

Can pretty much point to my weight as the source of all incompetence

Especially when as a kid you say to yourself never to be that kid with arms (biceps) that are skinnier than their elbows when viewed from behind. Im that kid today. Always pitied him.

I am sure you hear it all the time but being too skinny beats the shit out of being too fat. I am an average build but I used to be very skinny myself as a kid. A few nights ago I saw some old friends and they commented on how "thick" I was getting since I started going to the gym, but I don't know if that is a compliment or playful insult. It didn't sound appealing to me either way. I never used to have to be concerned about getting fat, but now I am and, although irrational, it is pretty sucky to have the thought of it hanging over me. Growing out of clothes when not growing taller is really depressing.

There's a lot of misinformation about skinny people vs heavy people. Metabolisms do not vary DRASTICALLY across people. http://examine.com/faq/does-metabolism-vary-between-two-people.html 96% of people fall within 1680 to 2320. Skinny people drastically overestimate how much they eat. Plenty of people (including you I assume) don't like eating a lot, that's fine, but eating more would solve those problems. Pretty much everyone has the same capacity to build muscle too (given a sufficient surplus).

Drink your calories then. It's easy to chalk something up to genetics and not bother to do anything about it. It might be hard, but it's straight-forward and millions of people have done it before (including me, 140--> 165). I just hate to see people stuck in a rut where they believe something is impossible when it's not.

If you're struggling to gain weight I wouldn't worry about the quality of the EXTRA calories. It's not like eating cookies will remove the nutrition from the regular food you eat...now if you're ONLY eating cookies then that might be an issue.

There are very, very few people with single digit body fat who believe they are fat. Those people are constantly working out, either cardio-ing until they almost keel over or are lifting big (and therefore eating big). Excepting people with eating disorders, those who have single digit body fat usually aren't even exercising to lose weight anymore, they are well-oiled exercise machines.

So... skinny = non-obese? Since when? I'm sorry, but saying that the skinnier you want to be, the highest your standards are is absolutely dumb. Your highest standard should be your healthy weight, not to be as skinny as possible.

I said to kingkodus66 that he might rethink the way he wrote his statement because people might think this is what he meant. You're just making statement out of context to prove a point I've already agreed on. It's useless...

Really? English is not my mother tongue, so you probably know it better than I do. But english really have no in-between for skinny and obese? Geez... In french, skinny = peau sur les os (very thin) and obese = obèse (you're so fat, it's unhealthy). We also use maigre, poids-santé, bedonnant, bédaine de bière, gros, etc.

First, when Erzsabet made the comment you were initially responding to, she was being sarcastic, so she was actually being critical of the notion that all people who are not obese are anorexic.

In English, typically when you add "non" to the front of a descriptive word, it is more or less equivalent to saying "not.' So I meant that all skinny people are contained within the category of "not obese," but I didn't mean the reverse, and I somehow missed that you'd interpreted the parent comment the way you did.

I also didn't express what I meant very clearly, and shouldn't have used the identity equivalence symbol, because there are obviously some non-obese people who are not skinny (like, for example, people who are swole, although that term is more slangy).

In high school and early in college I was about 10 pounds underweight, so I wanted to bulk up a bit. So I tried to workout while consuming as much food as possible. I could not gain a single pound.

I do not work out as much anymore, but still eat the same amount of food, and barely gained 5 pounds in like 3 years and then stopped gaining.

Suffice it to say my calorie counting friends hate this especially after seeing my consumption rate. To this day I am skinny and cannot gain a pound to save my life. I am also the only girl I know my size who looks in the mirror and says maybe I can gain a pound or two.

I joined the military at 116 lbs. I'm male, 6 feet, at the time 19. I got grilled for an hour or more going over my family history because the doc was convinced I had an eating disorder.

When you're underweight, they'll give you a waiver that allows you more food and more time to eat, for a month and a half, every morning consisted of cheese and egg omelet in between two sausage patties, on top of lincoln-log stacked sausages, with bacon, in between 2 pieces of french toast, in between 2 pieces of regular toast....I'm forgetting something (EDIT: two snack cups of peanut butter, and a banana), oh well, you get the idea. Side of grits or oatmeal, and whatever else I could eat/drink quick.

lunch/dinner was the same - as much, as quick as possible.

Military training, good, hard exercise....

Weighing in at the end of BMT...116lbs. On the dot.

BTW, my sister is the same way, the only thing that helped her gain weight was a side-effect of some anti-depressants. She was so happy about gaining weight, she didn't need them anymore.

I was able to make small successes later on...when I was in Texas with nothing else to do I had weight gainer powder, lots of cheap food, a gym and got up to around 125 (...sigh) (Edit: reached 120 after about a year and a half in CA, was in TX for 5-6 months)

I'm sure they have restrictions, and I probably pushed it (6ft, 116lbs is 15.7 BMI..."underweight" starts at 18.5), but it only requires a waiver.

I was clear to swear in initially (by the doc who visibly saw me), but another doc came in and saw my paperwork, weight/height, and called me back. He wrote out almost an entire page on the waiver. I think depending on the job you're signing up for (have to lift a certain amount of weight to qual for some jobs), and so long as you don't look sickly, they take ya.

How high was your calorie intake? I know very little about this, but I'm interested for comparison. I was a heavy dude, but towards the end of high school was only eating about a thousand calories a day and ended up losing weight.

It was around 3000-4000. Especially in the first few years of college. I would eat a huge breakfast, snack before lunch, then a huge lunch, then an early dinner and a late dinner, sometimes dessert as well. I tried to mostly eat protein and carbs to support muscle gain but still had my fair share of fatty foods.

Edit: 3000-4000 It never surpassed 4000.

Edit 2: I don't really watch my calories these days but I bet it comes to around 2000.

How old are you? I'm a guy, but I couldn't gain weight by working out until my late twenties. Early to mid thirties, all of a sudden I have no problem putting on weight if I'm not careful. I run every day to make sure I can eat whatever I want and not get fat.

I am in my twenties. My mom says that most of the women in her family don't gain weight until after childbirth. Of note my great grandma was a twig, as was my grandma, and my mom so I am not sure what she meant.

My friend has really bad self esteem. I weight 160, she probably weighs 145. Yes, she has had a kid and has stretch marks, but she refuses to wear fitting clothing (I wear a size 10 pants, she probably needs an 8.. she squeezes into a 4) and constantly complains how fat she is. I flat out told her its insulting and to shut the fuck about it and buy the right size pants.. she shut up..

Girls don't always do this because they are fishing for compliments. Sometimes it's because they seriously believe that they are fat because of a distorted body image or eating disorder. As someone who has had experience with eating disorders, I know that not everyone who calls themselves fat does it for attention.