The classic Dulce Wars and Phil Schneider, it is as much a part of ufology as anything. Personally I believe him, Thomas Castello, and Paul Bennewitz.
IMHO the Dulce alien/US biogenetic lab being real is a real possibility, but more evidence is needed.

Here is an interview with a reported security guard at the base, Thomas Castello:

Paul Bennewitz the first to break the Dulce base open in the mid 80s, since then Phil and Thomas have been about it as far as whistleblowers, although
some more reports from reported abductees have surfaced, the Dulce base remains a true enigma in ufology. If true the implications are staggering to
say the least, if false than it is one hell of a story and the person who made it up needs to write for Hollywood IMHO. Thanks for sharing...

About to watch the Castello video, it'll be a first time for me so i'm
extremely interested.

Phil Schneider really strikes me as someone who was genuinely SCARED, but felt a duty to let people know what is really going on right under our
noses.
The manner in which he died, and what his wife had to say afterwards, are really the most telling things to me. He was obviously revealing at LEAST
part of the truth to have been removed in such a blatant and obvious manner.

I started to watch the video and when it got to the page that says: "Phil Schnieder
Former Government Geologist and Engineer
Survivor of the Alien-Human War at Dulce, New Mexico" "I just had to laugh having read the book" as John Lennon sang. Anyone that continues to
watch the video past that point needs to get a life. Aliens in underground bases! You gotta be s______g me!

So excuse my ignorance with the whole Dulce thing, but, has there been any whistelblower that hasn't died shortly after coming out? I'd like to get
more info but all I get are phil and tom's interviews which are becoming dated. OFC I would understand why not...

I started to watch the video and when it got to the page that says: "Phil Schnieder
Former Government Geologist and Engineer
Survivor of the Alien-Human War at Dulce, New Mexico" "I just had to laugh having read the book" as John Lennon sang. Anyone that continues to
watch the video past that point needs to get a life. Aliens in underground bases! You gotta be s______g me!

So, you didn't bother to look at the material, or listen to the lecture, or research any of it. You just decided it was a farse from one line.

Deny ignorance my friend

The thing is, so many people claim he's a schizo and whatnot, and their backing(as seen in this thread) is always "I have as much proof of it as you
do that he's telling the truth."

Well, there's an issue with that.

I went to one of his lectures. I saw the metals and organics he presented. I saw the scars on his chest. I've SPOKEN to his ex-wife, not just read
about her.

While none of those things are definitive, they are EVIDENCE. The debunking side has no evidence. The burden is now on them to debunk his evidence.
And they can't. So they jump to schizophrenic, or whatever.

He may have been lying, but, bottom line, if he was, it was a well constructed lie. It's not as if he just threw it out there and expected everyone
to believe it.

Originally posted by xEphon
So excuse my ignorance with the whole Dulce thing, but, has there been any whistelblower that hasn't died shortly after coming out? I'd like to get
more info but all I get are phil and tom's interviews which are becoming dated. OFC I would understand why not...

John Lear. Remember him? John is still living, and still talking about what he knows. I heard him just yesterday on Art Bell. Bob Lazar is still
alive. there are others too. The thing about Phil is he actually worked at building these Deep Underground Military Bases.
(DUMBS) I can even tell you where one entrance is, but I don't know exactly how to find the door itself. Mammoth Cave in Kentucky. I highly suspect
another is at, or near Denver Airport, and on or near Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio.

Phil Schneiders 1995 premise (from part 4 of 7 on You Tube)... that secretions from the glands of our missing human children worldwide are being used
as a means of aliens getting "high"...with a government OK, then a war is waged with these aliens who want more & more kids.

...This is the same premise as the 2009 BBC mini-series "Torchwood" special. Aliens take kids for gland secretions, which give them a "high" &
come back for millions more from a willing global community!...until a war is waged!

This guys courage is grandstanding via storytelling... its all about me is typical 1990s UFO paranoia ...very pre 9-11...militias & taking back the
country...freedom... aliens want to enslave the world...he is the lone ranger, out there, in the line of fire...How 20th century! his presentation is
a lecture, not a disclosure. It did not educate. We get patriotic statements but no real details, just politics. ..By Pt. 6 he is promoting a book he
is writing which will give the real details! How typical for that time in the 1990s.

...This is the same premise as the 2009 BBC mini-series "Torchwood" special. Aliens take kids for gland secretions, which give them a "high" &
come back for millions more from a willing global community!...until a war is waged!

So the BBC made a show that is similar to a portion of Phil's story 14 years after he told it. What exactly is your point?

I didn't say why I joined ATS. But since you broached it, I joined ATS because once in a while something of interest pops up. Until it does, I'm
sort of like you, busting balls whenever there's an opening. Since I'm anti-alien and will challenge all pro-alien claims, your reply sounds to me
as if you support their reality and that there is something to this Dulce claim. What say you?

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by Skeptical EdAnyone that continues to watch the video past that point needs to get a life. Aliens in underground
bases! You gotta be s______g me!

It still amazes me when individuals point up John Lear as if he knew something no one else knows. John was/may still be one of the weirdest
individuals living. His unbelieveable claims still ring amongst these hallowed halls.

Bob Lazar's UFO, the S-4, as depicted by Testor ("Testor Area 51 S4 1:48 model kit Bob Lazar" at your nearest YouTube), is a replica of a "Billy"
Meier "Beamship" which makes you wonder who's lying, Meier or Lazar.

Originally posted by autowrench

Originally posted by xEphon
So excuse my ignorance with the whole Dulce thing, but, has there been any whistelblower that hasn't died shortly after coming out? I'd like to get
more info but all I get are phil and tom's interviews which are becoming dated. OFC I would understand why not...

John Lear. Remember him? John is still living, and still talking about what he knows. I heard him just yesterday on Art Bell. Bob Lazar is still
alive. there are others too. The thing about Phil is he actually worked at building these Deep Underground Military Bases.
(DUMBS) I can even tell you where one entrance is, but I don't know exactly how to find the door itself. Mammoth Cave in Kentucky. I highly suspect
another is at, or near Denver Airport, and on or near Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio.

I became aware of the Dulce fiasco back in the 1980s when the subject became known. To cut to the chase, here is what wikipedia has to say about, but
this is not all there is: "Dulce Base is the name for an alleged secret underground facility under Archuleta Mesa, Dulce, New Mexico, United States.
The base is claimed to be a multi-leveled "genetics lab" in which both humans and extraterrestrial beings cooperatively conduct experiments.[1] To
date, very little evidence confirming the existence of this facility has surfaced. It is widely regarded to be a hoax and an urban legend."

I don't need wikipedia to verify what I already knew. Dulce never happened, it was created by the usual gang of UFO idiots. You obviously are a
believer which means you don't question. I don't have a belief system as I depend entirely on evidence. You either know or don't know. Beliefs
are for the simple minded.

What you saw was not empirical evidence, it was only evidence for you since you are a believer in the fantastic. The power of lies can be seen in
many courtrooms across the USA where innocent people are convicted on lies.

I started to watch the video and when it got to the page that says: "Phil Schnieder
Former Government Geologist and Engineer
Survivor of the Alien-Human War at Dulce, New Mexico" "I just had to laugh having read the book" as John Lennon sang. Anyone that continues to
watch the video past that point needs to get a life. Aliens in underground bases! You gotta be s______g me!

So, you didn't bother to look at the material, or listen to the lecture, or research any of it. You just decided it was a farse from one line.

Deny ignorance my friend

The thing is, so many people claim he's a schizo and whatnot, and their backing(as seen in this thread) is always "I have as much proof of it as you
do that he's telling the truth."

Well, there's an issue with that.

I went to one of his lectures. I saw the metals and organics he presented. I saw the scars on his chest. I've SPOKEN to his ex-wife, not just read
about her.

While none of those things are definitive, they are EVIDENCE. The debunking side has no evidence. The burden is now on them to debunk his evidence.
And they can't. So they jump to schizophrenic, or whatever.

He may have been lying, but, bottom line, if he was, it was a well constructed lie. It's not as if he just threw it out there and expected everyone
to believe it.

Originally posted by harryallard
I know the thread title sounds like a tabloid headline, but today I heard about a video I would really like to see.
My friend told me the video is an interview with the sole survivor of some sort of team that were attacked by aliens living in an underground base.
The man describes how he lost his fingers to some sort of alien weapon, and shows the injury.
I'm sorry that I'm being so vague, but that's the depth of information I've got. The story sounds fascinating and I'm sure other ATS'ers would
love to see this as much as I would.
So if anyone knows the video I'm talking about, or just the man's name, I'd be grateful if you posted it here.
Cheers

Do you have any idea how many threads are about Phil Schneider in this board? I suggest you next time search ATS before opening a new thread. Here
some of the threads you'll find about the subject:

Originally posted by Skeptical Ed
It still amazes me when individuals point up John Lear as if he knew something no one else knows. John was/may still be one of the weirdest
individuals living. His unbelieveable claims still ring amongst these hallowed halls.

You would actually be amazed at what John really knows and more to the point WHO he knows... but if I told you you would merely find a way to make
those people out to be nutcases too...

The really funny thing is... if people like yourself did not go around life with their head up their... well they might get to meet some interesting
people as well.

There is one person on here in particular that plays a skeptic but could single handedly proof one of my 'theories' but since he told me this in
confidence... we shall have to wait till he comes out of the 'closet'

In the meantime, enjoy your bliss...

As to DULCE... if it exists I will find it

I do not expect to find it near Dulce... at least not within 50 miles... all the major military
operations are normally miles from the city or region they are named after

I found OKNO Elint 85 miles away from the town where it was supposed to be, where the workers live... Google even sent for new images on that find and
its now as clear as day

I found India's HAARP and put that on the Map

Tunnels...

Did you know that 8000 miles of tunnel were dug in America and Western Europe in the 1960s.?

Did you know that the LA times carried an article on the construction of the high speed underground transit lines? Dated 1972?

Originally posted by Skeptical Ed
I became aware of the Dulce fiasco back in the 1980s when the subject became known. To cut to the chase, here is what wikipedia has to say about, but
this is not all there is: "Dulce Base is the name for an alleged secret underground facility under Archuleta Mesa, Dulce, New Mexico, United States.
The base is claimed to be a multi-leveled "genetics lab" in which both humans and extraterrestrial beings cooperatively conduct experiments.[1] To
date, very little evidence confirming the existence of this facility has surfaced. It is widely regarded to be a hoax and an urban legend."

I don't need wikipedia to verify what I already knew. Dulce never happened, it was created by the usual gang of UFO idiots. You obviously are a
believer which means you don't question. I don't have a belief system as I depend entirely on evidence. You either know or don't know. Beliefs
are for the simple minded.

What you saw was not empirical evidence, it was only evidence for you since you are a believer in the fantastic. The power of lies can be seen in
many courtrooms across the USA where innocent people are convicted on lies.

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by Skeptical Ed
What a surprise, someone on this site assumes they know all about someone else.

The thing is, I have heard exactly two people that I believe as far as the alien subject goes. It just so happens that Phil Schneider is one of them.
To assume I'm a believer so therefore I dont question, is, well, downright idiotic.

Again, I'd love for you to provide anything you can that debunks any bit of what Schneider says. Until you do, you are what you claim to be against-a
person dealing in absolutes who does not question the subject matter whatsoever.

but more evidence is needed.? How about some evidence? Anything! You know, stuff like this that is believed by the gullible keeps
religion going.

Originally posted by jkrog08
The classic Dulce Wars and Phil Schneider, it is as much a part of ufology as anything. Personally I believe him, Thomas Castello, and Paul Bennewitz.
IMHO the Dulce alien/US biogenetic lab being real is a real possibility, but more evidence is needed.
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