i am new to the game and was intrested in making vamps but i didnt want to make a deck if it wasnt going to be good after the cycle so i was just wondering if you guys think this will be a top tier deck after the cycle and when exactly the cycle happens thanks in advance

vamps don't really top outside of local tournaments to be honest, and the only card they lose after october is nocturnus.

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I've been wanting to play Vamps for a while now, and have only started to collect the cards necessary. I'm currently looking at auctions for KH and Malakir Bloodwitch, but would KH be justified over Hexmage in a vamp deck?

I've been wanting to play Vamps for a while now, and have only started to collect the cards necessary. I'm currently looking at auctions for KH and Malakir Bloodwitch, but would KH be justified over Hexmage in a vamp deck?

yes, highborn is a good card in faster builds as its an excellent wrath deterrent. (sure I lose my dudes, take 8) However hexmage DOES kill planeswalkers so ultimatly its a meta decision.

The only problem i see with vampires after the rotation is losing nocturnus and tendrils. If we could find cards that would compliment our decks in place of those cards then we'd be okay. Any suggestions on what we could replace them with?

The only problem i see with vampires after the rotation is losing nocturnus and tendrils. If we could find cards that would compliment our decks in place of those cards then we'd be okay. Any suggestions on what we could replace them with?

Not sure what to replace Tendrils with, but Captivating Vampire seems like the only logical fit for the loss of Nocturnus.

I've been playing a deck lately that has been dubbed V.W.(vampire weenies). Hasn't seen tourney play yet (list to follow) so i'm not too sure how it will fare, but in casual matches (undder t2 rules) it has been doing ok. (the people i play with are by no means "scrubs" they just have a real slim budget...)

It basically starts out with alot of 1 and 2 drops (bloodghast, kalastria, lacerator, duress...etc.) By the time midgame rolls around I can Corrupt for a nice hit, and start to steal stuff shortly thereafter with the Captivating Vampire.

I know Corrupt is sub par to tendrills, but i'm trying to find out what else fits... Somethingn with a lower cmc maybe... And, Lacerator, in my humble opinion is a G. one drop. Especially in a deck that focuses on keeping the curve relatively low.

On the Nocturnus thing... I've seen a bunch of people trying this too...
Abyssal Persecutor? Think about it. We already run answers to his down side... Gatekeeper, Consuming Vapors, Tendrils, and Aristocrat if you so choose . Off the top of my head...

Whats a -Good- mono B wipe these days? All is dust? <<Is ok, but there are too many purpose driven Eldrazi decks in my area. They really ought to do a Damnation remake... Day of Judgement, but black... and after they hook up the blue mages. -inb4manaleakistype2again!-

Personally, I feel as though you may be a little heavy on the sludge. My last build also ran 4x Bloodwitch. Maybe try that out?
The logic being that people just get this look on their face after they get Sludge'd (unless they can gain -crazy- advantage somehow). It in and of its self basically seals the game. Not wins... but makes it neigh impossible to recover from a hard hit. Therefore you really only -need- to see 1.

Also, I feel while Vampire Nighthawk dies to anything like Lightning Bolt or better, it is still a better option than the Bloodlord in the 3 cmc range.

Not too sure about 2x of both Smother and Disfigure... but I can't suggest better just yet. Maybe Urge to Feed, or Feast of Blood if you can keep 2 creatures out. (I see you run the Cap. Vamp. so I assume so?)

Thanks I made a change. I'm wondering if Consuming vapors would be a good card to use. I see people use it and I do like it but I don't know if I'd wanna take out disfigure or smother. I see Abyssal Persecutor is also a card people are looking at. Again I just don't know what to take out. I'm on the fence with Captivating as well. I'm thinking of maybe replacing some of them with monuments to kind give them a more nocturnus boost.

Consuming vapors, is in my opinion is conditional on running Abyssal Persecutor.

Only other thing I have to say about vapors is "In before Eldrazi 0/1 mana producers." Thats mostly because they run rampant where I play. Its almost gotten to the point where Gatekeeper's slots are better spent.

I honestly cant say what to cut either... A hard kill always seems more alluring, in my opinion.

So would it be better to maybe take out the captivatings and throw in a couple Abyssals and Highborns? Then I could take out a few more things for vapors.

To be honest, I'm not sure. I was actually pondering running Captivating myself.
How has it been doing for you?

Also, as an aside:If you are able to keep decent board presence, I found that W.W. and Eldrazi (less than W.W. from my experience.) are less likely to Day of Judgement, or All is dust (creature wipes) while you have a Highborn out and some mana untapped. "Ok. You kill 4 of my creatures, but you're gonna take 8 damage too. Oh, and I gain 8 life btw..."

If you pm me, I'll share my list (old and new) as long as you swear on your rarest card you wont net deck the **** outta it.

Edit; Blackheart is right, imho. However Captivating Vamp has a body.
EDIT2; What is the -best- mono B wipe available right nao?

LMAO NO WAY? earlier tonight this same deck was made just on a whim and it tested well, but i run RDW so against that it didn't do so hot. after fine tuning it it will have nighthawks and our build had feast of blood and kalistra highborn which i feel are two staples in a deck like this.

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It has a sticky as people kept spamming up the first page of this forum with Vampire decks because the youth of today is all Twilight obsessed and stuff.

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LMAO NO WAY? earlier tonight this same deck was made just on a whim and it tested well, but i run RDW so against that it didn't do so hot. after fine tuning it it will have nighthawks and our build had feast of blood and kalistra highborn which i feel are two staples in a deck like this.

opened once with
Bloodghast
highborn
lacerator
sign in blood
verdant catacombs
land
land

drop land+lacerator
Drop Land+highborn
drop land+nighthawk
Sign in blood into the Demon. Drop demon.
Dude answered with a Deprive(Ummm see the left column of my signature). So, I hit him for 4. I swung with all three but he Unsummoned the Nighthawk