I completely agree. Im no pro. by any means but at least I go out of my way and read books on how to improve and I try to take it with me (the info) when I go out with my camera. I hate people who buy an SLR, and only know how to press the "clicker", lol.

agreed too and im speaking from a nonpro perspective..too much damn things to learn, and it sucks to lose jobs thanks to idiots with the crapiest gears seriously undercutting

oh yeah and to add something

"Let me here call attention to one of the most universally popular mistakes that have to do with photography - that of classing supposedly excellent work as professional, and using the term amateur to convey the idea of immature productions and to excuse atrociously poor photographs. As a matter of fact nearly all the greatest work is being, and has always been done, by those who are following photography for the love of it, and not merely for financial reasons. As the name implies, an amateur is one who works for love; and viewed in this light the incorrectness of the popular classification is readily apparent."
Alfred Stieglitz

agreed too and im speaking from a nonpro perspective..too much damn things to learn, and it sucks to lose jobs thanks to idiots with the crapiest gears seriously undercutting

oh yeah and to add somethingagreed too and im speaking from a nonpro perspective..too much damn things to learn, and it sucks to lose jobs thanks to idiots with the crapiest gears seriously undercutting

oh yeah and to add something

Quote:
"Let me here call attention to one of the most universally popular mistakes that have to do with photography - that of classing supposedly excellent work as professional, and using the term amateur to convey the idea of immature productions and to excuse atrociously poor photographs. As a matter of fact nearly all the greatest work is being, and has always been done, by those who are following photography for the love of it, and not merely for financial reasons. As the name implies, an amateur is one who works for love; and viewed in this light the incorrectness of the popular classification is readily apparent."
Alfred Stieglitz

Some do. Not the "joe pro photographer" types but the ones who find a niche and become very, very good at one or two kinds of work. Of course having good business acumen also plays a big role in their success.

just gotta charge 10k a wedding, get booked every week of the year, outsource everything to pictage, offer slideshows at wedding receptions that advertise your services while incorporating the pics of the ceremony and you're set.

It's alot more work than just showing up with a slr. And thanks to the morons spreading the word about wedding photography it is getting more and more popular. I've been knocked down at least 9 times due to the fact that the bride "found a cheaper photographer"

I mean hell....

I don't charge a whole shit load, so someone's gotta be seriously undercutting....... Probably one of these guys with the rebels and d50's

It's alot more work than just showing up with a slr. And thanks to the morons spreading the word about wedding photography it is getting more and more popular. I've been knocked down at least 9 times due to the fact that the bride "found a cheaper photographer"

I mean hell....

I don't charge a whole shit load, so someone's gotta be seriously undercutting....... Probably one of these guys with the rebels and d50's

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thats why you price yourself higher and appeal to people with taste. I found out all David Jay's secrets, I'm good to go now

Quite some time ago I was in one of my best friends wedding, only bought the camera with me to take a couple of shots, then I met the wedding photographer..there he is with a d70, Kit lens and nothing else, no lights no external flash nothing, as soon as he sees me taking pictures with my equally shitty D70 plus SB800 and da 85 he gets in a hissy and basically says my flash is disturbing his pictures and asks that I not take any pictures.