I recently got a TCR and it feels really good and ive seen the stiffness/weight results and it seems that Giant tcr kicks the Pina's ass in stiffness and weight. Who's ridden both and can tell me their opinion haha?

I've ridden a prince not a dogma and chose the Giant hands down. Remember the tcr0 is their second tier frame not the sl.I'm am biased though I just update my 2011 tcr advanced 1 to a 2013 tcr 0.Not because I needed too but the deal was just to good to refuse

I have not ridden a dogma but I compared the giant TCR 0 to a Cannondale and could not tell the difference. Maybe I am getting tight in my old age, but I think a lot of it is a name not necessarly quality. At the end of the day I got the Giant and I am very happy with it

I find it difficult to swallow someone saying one bike is stiffer or looser than another. How about qualifying your statement - where do you feel the stiffness? in the saddle, the bars, lateral flexion out of the saddle (and at the bb, wheels?)?IME, variation in wheelsets varies ride comfort tremendously, so it's senseless to compare frames with different wheelsets.

If 'general' stiffness was the penultimate trait of a better bike, then why does Fabian Cancellara ride a Domane with a flexible seat post?