How can you guys poke fun at this? I enjoy a little corgan ribbing as much as the next guy but this is beyond billy saying something silly for us to mock. How would you feel if your father was caught in a position like this and the whole town talked about you and made jokes behind your back? Only, in this case, it's the entire country who knows about it. You guys should really not turn this thread into a laugh fest, it's not the right thing at all.

???

01-10-2008, 06:12 PM

*posts now, thinks later*

JuneSnow

01-10-2008, 06:15 PM

I should note that there was no jest in my comments.

monkeyfritters

01-10-2008, 06:15 PM

let us pray for billy during this tough time.

Floppy Nono

01-10-2008, 06:16 PM

I should note that there was no jest in my comments.

my post wasn't directed at you at all, if thats what you thought.

MistaMista1

01-10-2008, 06:16 PM

New revelations:

Iha sold him the junk

Jimmy was in the back seat

ciGarski

01-10-2008, 06:18 PM

:eek:

emotionalfriend

01-10-2008, 06:18 PM

the best part of that link are the comments

ciGarski

01-10-2008, 06:18 PM

it lists his address. lets get em.

JuneSnow

01-10-2008, 06:18 PM

my post wasn't directed at you at all, if thats what you thought.

Just clearing my name, is all :)

ciGarski

01-10-2008, 06:19 PM

the best part of that link are the comments

i have a feeling we can do better.

Netphorian Gadabout

01-10-2008, 06:20 PM

it lists his address. lets get em.

If he's in jail, there's probably no one at his house which is no doubt filled with... DEMO TAPES BILLY SENT HIM TRYING TO WIN HIS DADDY'S APPROVAL!!

1337 collectors, rollout!

???

01-10-2008, 06:22 PM

i guess bill sr didn't see the try try try video

ciGarski

01-10-2008, 06:22 PM

i just remembered someone talking on here about how they were at a guitar shop in tampa and the owner had billy corgan's first amp and was selling it dirt cheap.

BABY_i

01-10-2008, 06:22 PM

I see a jail brake coming. Jim waiting in the car whilst Bill (jnr) hoofs the cell door open with his kicking foot.

ciGarski

01-10-2008, 06:23 PM

dale. lol.

ciGarski

01-10-2008, 06:23 PM

I see a jail brake coming. Jim waiting in the car whilst Bill (jnr) hoofs the cell door open with his kicking foot.

break.

and corgan's gonna let him rot.

???

01-10-2008, 06:24 PM

dale is one straight up monk dimin' felon

emotionalfriend

01-10-2008, 06:24 PM

i have a feeling we can do better.

oh absolutely. i have no doubt.

ciGarski

01-10-2008, 06:25 PM

he looks like his first name should be dale.

SlingeroGuitaro

01-10-2008, 06:25 PM

i wish my dad was that cool

emotionalfriend

01-10-2008, 06:25 PM

If he's in jail, there's probably no one at his house which is no doubt filled with... DEMO TAPES BILLY SENT HIM TRYING TO WIN HIS DADDY'S APPROVAL!!

1337 collectors, rollout!

i like the way you think

???

01-10-2008, 06:27 PM

"ok mr. corgan, we're prepared to let your father go for $34,700...dale or no dale?"

BABY_i

01-10-2008, 06:28 PM

break.

and corgan's gonna let him rot.

Quite right, that was my third attempt too, it just didn't look right.

ciGarski

01-10-2008, 06:28 PM

:jimmy:

nofix

01-10-2008, 06:29 PM

according to google maps, it almost looks as though he lives at an apartment complex. there appears to be a parking lot near the location listed in the posting.

someone in tampa should roll by there. i can't believe they posted his address.

ciGarski

01-10-2008, 06:30 PM

no they shouldn't roll by there.

but if they do take pics.

Netphorian Gadabout

01-10-2008, 06:30 PM

i can't believe they posted his address.
Newspaper reports often give the "block" but rarely the exact address. I have a feeling if they knew who this was, they wouldn't have given anything.

ciGarski

01-10-2008, 06:31 PM

this is kinda sad actually.

Patuquitos

01-10-2008, 06:32 PM

I thought that Billy's dad was just a pothead. Any mentions to hard drugs in the past that i've missed?

ciGarski

01-10-2008, 06:33 PM

"if we all work together we can make this a great year"

-Temple Terrace Police Department

dustdream

01-10-2008, 06:33 PM

really sad :(

Netphorian Gadabout

01-10-2008, 06:34 PM

"if we all work together we can make this a great year"

-Temple Terrace Police Department

:rofl:

june_soma

01-10-2008, 06:34 PM

Is this, beyond any doubt, Billy's dad? It's just that I saw him on Regis and he looked so different, as far as I can remember anyway. I know that drugs will do that to you, but still..

duovamp

01-10-2008, 06:34 PM

Posting in here becausf asdklfj aklj;sdfkl; asdklj;a

lapis

01-10-2008, 06:35 PM

I don't think that's billy's dad :erm:

cork_soaker

01-10-2008, 06:37 PM

I don't think that's billy's dad :erm:

of course it is, lapis lazuli

emotionalfriend

01-10-2008, 06:37 PM

Is this, beyond any doubt, Billy's dad? It's just that I saw him on Regis and he looked so different, as far as I can remember anyway. I know that drugs will do that to you, but still..

that wasn't really his dad on Regis. don't feel bad. my wife and I fell for that too

Floppy Nono

01-10-2008, 06:37 PM

how many William Corgans who live in Florida can there possibly be?

ciGarski

01-10-2008, 06:38 PM

Is this, beyond any doubt, Billy's dad? It's just that I saw him on Regis and he looked so different, as far as I can remember anyway. I know that drugs will do that to you, but still..

No, I saw a youtube-clip. An old one. I think it was from when Mellon Collie came out.

As far as how many William Corgans can possibly live in Tampa, that's a valid point. I had no idea that he was living there, but if it's common knowledge that Billy Sr. lives in Tampa, it's probably the same guy. He had Billy at 20? Yikes.

ciGarski

01-10-2008, 06:43 PM

a friend i met at the UC show worked with corgan's dad, as he was telling me he started motioning to someone, who from a distance i thought was billy, but as he came over it was his pops. i never said anything to him but it was bizarre how much they looked like each other, all things considered.

thats my billy corgan's dad story.

ciGarski

01-10-2008, 06:43 PM

billy's dad lives near west palm beach in a nice house retards

go fuck off somewhere bardy

Mo

01-10-2008, 06:44 PM

<img src="http://www.abload.de/img/corganbreakbfn.jpg">

flavin

01-10-2008, 06:44 PM

I don't know,

ravenguy2000

01-10-2008, 06:44 PM

Maybe if he dies in jail billy will released the metro show dvd as a tribute.

ciGarski

01-10-2008, 06:44 PM

Reporter Josh Poltilove can be reached at jpoltilove@tampatrib.com or (813) 259-7691.

get to it davin.

xforewarnedx

01-10-2008, 06:47 PM

It's his dad. Check the zwan video footage from when he and Billy played a song together. It was on youtube but I can't find it off hand.

mistle

01-10-2008, 06:47 PM

i saw those old eyes staring right back at me

http://media.tbo.com/photos/trib/2008/jan/010208corgan.jpg

SlingeroGuitaro

01-10-2008, 06:49 PM

check the graceful swans of never docu, he's interviewed in there.

i thought this looked a lot like him, just older.

emotionalfriend

01-10-2008, 06:51 PM

i thought this looked a lot like him, just older.

and recovering from a rough night on the horse

SlingeroGuitaro

01-10-2008, 06:52 PM

indeed

june_soma

01-10-2008, 06:53 PM

This is just awful. Poor Billy.

mrlvx

01-10-2008, 06:56 PM

this is sad.

Geek USA

01-10-2008, 06:58 PM

loq

SlingeroGuitaro

01-10-2008, 07:01 PM

this was published on jan 2, so hes probably out by now. no heroin or demo stealing

Netphorian Gadabout

01-10-2008, 07:05 PM

this was published on jan 2, so hes probably out by now. no heroin or demo stealing

So his Dad is in and out of jail and clearly in need of help, and Billy's response to this is to go into studio to record Superchrist. Holy family values, Mighty SP! :erm:

Nate the Grate

01-10-2008, 07:09 PM

He had the syringe in his arm when the cops busted him? Must have been tough explaining that one.

jjbjjbjjb

01-10-2008, 07:10 PM

So his Dad is in and out of jail and clearly in need of help, and Billy's response to this is to go into studio to record Superchrist. Holy family values, Mighty SP! :erm:

Yeah, Billy. Stop recording and go hold the hand of your 60-year-old father. I'm sure that will be the best thing to help him grow up.

emotionalfriend

01-10-2008, 07:11 PM

He had the syringe in his arm when the cops busted him? Must have been tough explaining that one.

Honestly! It's not mine!!

bja1288

01-10-2008, 07:11 PM

i heard this was going to be on cops

Netphorian Gadabout

01-10-2008, 07:13 PM

Yeah, Billy. Stop recording and go hold the hand of your 60-year-old father. I'm sure that will be the best thing to help him grow up.

See, you understand!

i_adore_adore

01-10-2008, 07:25 PM

This is pretty sad :( Drugs, man... they suck.

ciGarski

01-10-2008, 07:25 PM

He had the syringe in his arm when the cops busted him? Must have been tough explaining that one.

it happens

xezton

01-10-2008, 07:25 PM

The proportions of this story should have been blown out of more... :(

ciGarski

01-10-2008, 07:28 PM

can't escape the drug drama.

hi to good netphos.

-smashkin33

skipgo

01-10-2008, 07:30 PM

syringe hanging out of his arm. nice.

bardy

01-10-2008, 07:33 PM

THIS IS NOT HIS DAD

Netphorian Gadabout

01-10-2008, 07:34 PM

THIS IS NOT HIS DAD

Look at the pictures on page 2. It is clearly his dad.

ciGarski

01-10-2008, 07:35 PM

THIS IS NOT HIS DAD

no, its clearly not his dad.

ChaosEffect

01-10-2008, 07:36 PM

No, I am his father!

skipgo

01-10-2008, 07:36 PM

where's that photo of him hanging out with that looney fysche? i don't know bardy, it looks a lot like him, from the photos and video I've seen of the guy.

smashapumpkin

01-10-2008, 07:37 PM

How...delightful...

I should note that there was no jest in my comments.
:noway:

skipgo

01-10-2008, 07:38 PM

or maybe it's just because he's a bald guy with a square jaw like bc.

Floppy Nono

01-10-2008, 07:39 PM

if you dont think it's him brady, why don't you call the reporter and get us a definitive answer?

I am just pretty sure billy's dad lives near west palm, which is the other side of the florida... when I worked down there a friend of mine knew where his dad lived but I am no stalker so I never went to go see it

ciGarski

01-10-2008, 09:01 PM

apparently, you're wrong.

bardy

01-10-2008, 09:01 PM

p.s. to techincally be "senior" and "junior" they have to have the same middle name as well

redchandelier

01-10-2008, 09:01 PM

From Zwan 2004-04-09 DVD,

http://xs123.xs.to/xs123/08025/billydad980.jpg

edit: So its definitely not him? The guy in the news photo looks like absolute shit compared to the Zwan video and that was only 3~yrs ago

look at pix of billy a few years ago and now he looks like he's aged a decade (well maybe not a decade) but he has aged. I mean in the yellow room interview he still looks quite young and that was only two years ago, maybe the corgans just don't age that well..... and as for looking like shit, drugs will do that to you

ciGarski

01-10-2008, 09:02 PM

jesus christ.

skipgo

01-10-2008, 09:03 PM

i think reprise said something about him living near there as well, in the post where she said billy went to the barnes and noble there a couple of months back.
it's a pretty weird coincidence for a guy with the same name, in the same state, around the same age, and who looks just like him to be in the news, but I guess stranger things have happened.

monkeyfritters

01-10-2008, 09:05 PM

is he or isnt he?

Professor Fox

01-10-2008, 09:08 PM

RIP Billy.

Warsaw

01-10-2008, 09:08 PM

Looks as if there are at least four William Corgans in Florida.

skipgo

01-10-2008, 09:10 PM

is it your birthday warsaw??
happy birthday!!!

Professor Fox

01-10-2008, 09:11 PM

RIP warsaw

James Iha was diagnosed with a malignant tumour :(

Warsaw

01-10-2008, 09:11 PM

is it your birthday warsaw??
happy birthday!!!

In a few hours! Thanks! :blush:

redbreegull

01-10-2008, 10:31 PM

i just remembered someone talking on here about how they were at a guitar shop in tampa and the owner had billy corgan's first amp and was selling it dirt cheap.

That was me.

Edit: But it was not in Tampa, it was near where Corgan Sr. actually lives in the Boca area.

StupidFan

01-10-2008, 10:41 PM

Wait, is this part of the Machina mystery?

skipgo

01-10-2008, 10:47 PM

That was me.

Edit: But it was not in Tampa, it was near where Corgan Sr. actually lives in the Boca area.

eyes droop similarly, same jowls, same ears/hairline/moustache. and even if they were different dudes what is the chance that they have almost the exact same name, age range, and both live in florida, you know, in case lapis lazuli is still doubting this :rolleyes:

wpc33

01-10-2008, 10:56 PM

<img src="http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/7006/36770574tb8.jpg">

<img src="http://media.tbo.com/photos/trib/2008/jan/010208corgan.jpg">
Look at the curve on his brow, the jowls, the hairline even. The smile-lines. The giant pointy ears.
I'll bet you $25 bucks that's him.

Geez, mayfuck u beet me

skipgo

01-10-2008, 10:56 PM

it's his evil twin. or perhaps he is the evil twin, beating on his sons and all.

skipgo

01-10-2008, 10:57 PM

Look at the curve on his brow, the jowls, the hairline even. The smile-lines.
I'll bet you $25 bucks that's him.

don't forget the pointy corgan ears.

TheMilstead

01-10-2008, 11:04 PM

Different noses, though.

Rider

01-10-2008, 11:06 PM

don't forget the pointy corgan ears.

yep they both have the same fucked up ears.

skipgo

01-10-2008, 11:08 PM

Different noses, though.

yeah. this is the one thing that throws me off.

null123

01-10-2008, 11:08 PM

Billy jr's ears are so cute

Spaceboy88

01-10-2008, 11:09 PM

Was Billy's Dad 20 when he had him?

skipgo

01-10-2008, 11:10 PM

also, bill's dad's face seems thinner in the photo that we know is him. That could be just that the photo is from a different angle though. I don't know, this is a tough call. If it's not him, it's pretty weird how much he does look like him.

Mayfuck

01-10-2008, 11:10 PM

Different noses, though.

the screenshot fomr the doc video is narrow if you notice everything about it is narrower, just the way the vid is

Rider

01-10-2008, 11:11 PM

yeah. this is the one thing that throws me off.

nose looks the same it's just lighting and his head is turned to the side in the one pic. But the they have the same weird bulge in the right ear.

skipgo

01-10-2008, 11:12 PM

the screenshot fomr the doc video is narrow if you notice everything about it is narrower, just the way the vid is

if that's the case, i'm convinced it's him.

lapis

01-10-2008, 11:12 PM

eyes droop similarly, same jowls, same ears/hairline/moustache. and even if they were different dudes what is the chance that they have almost the exact same name, age range, and both live in florida, you know, in case lapis lazuli is still doubting this :rolleyes:
I'm still not convinced. :noway:

skipgo

01-10-2008, 11:14 PM

i wonder when pitchfork will pick up on this one? they'll have a field day.

Rider

01-10-2008, 11:15 PM

I'm still not convinced. :noway:
What do you think there are twins with he same name living in the same state. What are the odds of a random William Corgan looking exactly like Billys father.

Spaceboy88

01-10-2008, 11:17 PM

This guy is 60. Billy's 40. If Billy's Dad was 20 when he had him, there ya go! I've yet to find info on Billy's dad's age.

cork_soaker

01-10-2008, 11:18 PM

photo of bill sr. with veronica grey (aka fysche or however you spell it)
the only one i can find online so far is of terrible quality.
http://aycu11.webshots.com/image/41530/2003947310582517802_rs.jpg
i know a clear version of it exists.

TheMilstead

01-10-2008, 11:19 PM

the screenshot fomr the doc video is narrow if you notice everything about it is narrower, just the way the vid is
http://i16.tinypic.com/8adzehj.jpg

The typeface is Bank Gothic, and it matches up perfectly when retyped. I don't think the video's squashed. That nose just doesn't match up.

june_soma

01-10-2008, 11:20 PM

I'm convinced too. Those two pics, that's the same guy. No doubt. I have spoken.

skipgo

01-10-2008, 11:20 PM

the video could've been squashed before they added the text though. Just a thought.
i don't even know anymore.

TheMilstead

01-10-2008, 11:22 PM

They film Graceful Swans of Never and squash only the footage of Bill Sr.?

I don't think it is Billy's father... when i was alerted of this thread and saw the pic i laughed, but knew right away that man wasn't William Corgan Sr.

my 2 cents

Rider

01-10-2008, 11:36 PM

Martha Lutz and Billy Corgan, Sr., were high school dropouts; they had met at a school dance where Billy Sr., a guitarist by profession, was performing. The couple marry after getting knocked up with Billy, but it doesn’t last;

So yes Billys dad was really young when Billy was born.

Rider

01-10-2008, 11:37 PM

Hahaha this is actually really funny.

I'm refering to those that think its true btw.

Same name, same age, same state, look alike. Again what are the odds?

Spaceboy88

01-10-2008, 11:39 PM

Earlobes are too low on the drug addict.

Old, skinny bald people all look the same, kinda like black people or Asians! ;)

Rickpat12

01-10-2008, 11:40 PM

William Patrick Corgan Jr. = William Dale Corgan Sr.?

ehh I've never heard of it.

I found this reply on the website funny:
Posted by ( corgasm ) on January 10, 2008 at 7:10 p.m. ( Suggest removal )

This is actually the father of Billy Corgan, the lead singer of the Smashing Pumpkins. Prepare for this story to get huge.

HAHA, which one of you is Corgasm?

silverfrick

01-10-2008, 11:41 PM

Same name, same age, same state, look alike. Again what are the odds?

Agreed.

Who added "it's fun to pretend"? Is there some definitive info that allows us to conclude this? If I saw that picture with no context, I would think it looks like Bill Corgan Sr.

The guitar shop with the amp <a href="http://forums.netphoria.org/archive/index.php/t-152510.html">was in Coral Springs.</a> Coral Springs <a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Coral+Springs,+FL,+United+States+of+America&ie=UTF8&ll=26.27253,-80.25306&spn=0.200415,0.261269&z=12&om=1">is right by Coconut Creek.</a> The Corgan of Coconut Creek is William D., just as in the article.

It looks to me like his dad recently moved to Tampa. :(

MonteLDS

01-10-2008, 11:50 PM

i think jjbjjbjjb might be pretty much onto this.

if it is Corgan Sr. what would Corgan Jr. do anyways?

Maybe he can cancel the SP shows and call it a family emergency like he did with Zwan and break up SP again

Spaceboy88

01-10-2008, 11:52 PM

It's not real until it's on PerezHilton

TheMilstead

01-10-2008, 11:53 PM

Perez Hilton is probably too ignorant to even know who Billy Corgan is.

Spaceboy88

01-10-2008, 11:54 PM

Perez Hilton probably doesn't even know who Billy Corgan is.

Of course he does...he bad mouthed Brit back in the day!

null123

01-10-2008, 11:54 PM

I can't believe some of you are still doubting it's him

MonteLDS

01-10-2008, 11:57 PM

So D'arcy & Billy's dad has something in common....

jjbjjbjjb

01-10-2008, 11:57 PM

I can't believe some of you are still doubting it's him

and actually laughing at the rest of us

Rickpat12

01-11-2008, 12:00 AM

Pumpkins Media Militia to thread.

MistaMista1

01-11-2008, 12:10 AM

So D'arcy & Billy's dad has something in common....

They're...... the same............... PERSON!

This is getting more and more like Star Wars by the minute.

jjbjjbjjb

01-11-2008, 12:11 AM

Pumpkins Media Militia to thread.

Or you could just open your eyes ;)

Rickpat12

01-11-2008, 12:18 AM

Haha, or post it on my blog ;)

I guess I'm just being skeptical until it's official. I'm not one to hang a man on gut feeling. Evidence my friend, evidence.

jjbjjbjjb

01-11-2008, 12:22 AM

Haha, or post it on my blog ;)

Already there, of course :)

I guess I'm just being skeptical until it's official. I'm not one to hang a man on gut feeling. Evidence my friend, evidence.

I don't think I'm that kind of man either. I find the evidence to be overwhelming. If I'm wrong at this point, I'll thoroughly own up to my mistake, but man, the world really will have gotten me good.

Also, I haven't hanged anybody. All I wrote was that he was arrested...and that he's Billy's dad. Innocent until proven guilty by the courts, and then sometimes still innocent. And drug use is a pretty minor offense in my personal worldview.

Rickpat12

01-11-2008, 12:29 AM

Already there, of course :)

I don't think I'm that kind of man either. I find the evidence to be overwhelming. If I'm wrong at this point, I'll thoroughly own up to my mistake, but man, the world really will have gotten me good.

Also, I haven't hanged anybody. All I wrote was that he was arrested...and that he's Billy's dad. Innocent until proven guilty by the courts, and then sometimes still innocent. And drug use is a pretty minor offense in my personal worldview.

Haha, I know, that's why I said it. :)

But yeah I hear ya. At first I thought it wasn't him, but now I'm not sure. I'm not saying it isn't him, I'm just not convinced it is him for sure. But yeah I didn't mean it like you hung him, I was just saying that. And you're right about the drug thing, it's nothing too horrible.

BlissedandGone2

01-11-2008, 12:32 AM

its pretty clear that the reason the noses are different is because the angel of the camera is different. you can find more similiarities in the noses if you look carefully. thats really depressing. its sad to think that bill sr is that heavy on drugs even after bill jr has embraced him so much recently (pumpkins metro, zwan era) that kind of stuff. i feel awful about this. but yea it could get some real stuff out of the pumpkins yet.

bardy

01-11-2008, 12:42 AM

<img src="http://www.my-mistake.net/infinitepics/billy/billy230.jpg">

Mayfuck

01-11-2008, 12:45 AM

DO YOU BELIEVE ME NOW BRADY

bardy

01-11-2008, 12:48 AM

just dont see why he would be in the slums when he has like a few nice houses to go to. unless billy disowned him

null123

01-11-2008, 12:53 AM

maybe Billy stopped giving him money because he's on drugs and he's trying to help him. the only concrete thing is that that is him in the mugshot.

Mayfuck

01-11-2008, 12:53 AM

just dont see why he would be in the slums when he has like a few nice houses to go to. unless billy disowned him

where else is he gonna get his heroin fix

paranoid

01-11-2008, 01:00 AM

compare darcy's police photo to any other photo of her.. not the same woman (although the lip injections helped)

ciGarski

01-11-2008, 01:00 AM

plastic surgery.

ciGarski

01-11-2008, 01:01 AM

false, but its fun to pretend.

Warsaw

01-11-2008, 01:02 AM

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u35/toes21_photos/BOLLYDAD.jpg

ciGarski

01-11-2008, 01:05 AM

well done sir.

paranoid

01-11-2008, 01:07 AM

his face is relaxed in the police photo, he's tensed up on the video, possibly why his nose appears slightly narrow (he may have been sniffling).

for me it's the dent in the forehead that gives it away. there are way too many similarities here for it to not be him..

but William DALE Corgan Sr.?

Warsaw

01-11-2008, 01:09 AM

For your consideration:

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u35/toes21_photos/KOONTZCORGAN.jpg

monkeyfritters

01-11-2008, 01:14 AM

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u35/toes21_photos/BOLLYDAD.jpg

do you work for the fbi?

monkeyfritters

01-11-2008, 01:15 AM

For your consideration:

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u35/toes21_photos/KOONTZCORGAN.jpg

do you work for NASA

BlissedandGone2

01-11-2008, 01:18 AM

how can we possibly verify this? i need to know! poor billy/s

paranoid

01-11-2008, 01:22 AM

also consider that the video still was shot 7-8 years ago.. he was in his early 50's when that photo was taken.

Warsaw

01-11-2008, 01:24 AM

Who added "it's fun to pretend"?

That douche sppunk, most likely.

Sarcastic Smile

01-11-2008, 02:30 AM

sad eyes

JRiordan

01-11-2008, 03:01 AM

but William DALE Corgan Sr.?

My first thought earlier.

rolmos

01-11-2008, 03:16 AM

This thread makes b0lly sad :(

Delicieuxz

01-11-2008, 03:47 AM

Does it make baby b0lly cry?

SlingeroGuitaro

01-11-2008, 03:52 AM

i have a friend whose name is bernard jeffrey oniell, jr. his fathers name however is bernard william oniell, sr. they both go by ben, hence the sr/jr.

i figured the only reason billy was named patrick was because his birthday is on st patricks day (i know at least 1 person where this is the case).

rolmos

01-11-2008, 04:14 AM

Does it make baby b0lly cry?

http://www.my-mistake.net/infinitepics/billy/billy604.jpg

TheMilstead

01-11-2008, 05:35 AM

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u35/toes21_photos/BOLLYDAD.jpg

Jason, what the hell is this mess.

wpc33

01-11-2008, 06:41 AM

how can we possibly verify this?
Please read the last 1000 posts...youuuu JACKass

teh b0lly!!1

01-11-2008, 06:53 AM

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u35/toes21_photos/BOLLYDAD.jpg

dude, this is fucking amazing. real good job picking up on those proximity similarities
its most definitely the same guy, fuck you sppunk

wpc33

01-11-2008, 07:21 AM

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/wpc33/BOLLYDAD.jpg

skipgo

01-11-2008, 07:36 AM

so when jimmy ods, billy kicks him out of the band. tough love.
his dad's on heroin, he stops paying for his fancy house. Not that hard to fathom. What is hard to fathom is how someone can look at those two photos and not see the same man.

smashkin33

01-11-2008, 07:44 AM

good morning.
garrett (cigarski) texted me this news last night, i was eating (of course). he wished you guys HI in an earlier post for me. nobody said hi back. you're all goin to hell.

anyway, if infact it's his dad (which it seems like there's a good chance) it's really sad and hard for billy i am sure. dealing with addicts is horrible (as he knows).

so when jimmy ods, billy kicks him out of the band. tough love.
his dad's on heroin, he stops paying for his fancy house.
tough love, of course. i'll subscribe to this idea too.

T&T

01-11-2008, 08:16 AM

what are the odds that if its not him
that a fellow "Corgan" has similar features? (them being related obv)

yet the beauty mark on above his left eye sells it for me

waltermcphilp

01-11-2008, 08:21 AM

heroin is one hell of a drug.

mccririck

01-11-2008, 08:30 AM

"$34,000?"

*gets his phone call*

"Billy boy! 'Eeeeyyy, it's your dear ol' pop who loves ya!"

:rofl:

skipgo

01-11-2008, 08:47 AM

seriously though, this sucks, i feel bad for billy. If this was my dad, I'd be embarrassed, pissed, and worried as hell that my dad was going to end up dead. :(

IWishIWasBlank

01-11-2008, 08:51 AM

"I thought he only smoked pot.."

MARIJUANIA IS THE GATEWAY DRUG! REPENT SINNERS!

"They don't even look the same..."

Because in one of the pictures, B0lly's dad wasn't on junk.

Howdy Garski, Smashkin.

smashkin33

01-11-2008, 09:14 AM

word, hey there mr iwishiwasblank!
yeah, junk makes you look bad. that's why bill sr. looks as if he aged 25 years in just a matter of a few.

xezton

01-11-2008, 09:14 AM

Wow.. I just skimmed through most of this thread.

How any of you had any doubt that was Bill Sr. is beyond me.

That's pretty fucked up, though. It's like.. as soon as Billy brings back the Pumpkins, shit hits the fan again, what with Jimmy in the hospital, and now his father in jail/on drugs.

And.. well.. I feel compelled to say this, but I'll preface it to make sure that you all understand this is only a joke and does not represent my feelings at all on the subject but:

If my son made Zeitgeist, I'd prolly shoot it up, too. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Thaniel Buckner

01-11-2008, 09:20 AM

seriously though, this sucks, i feel bad for billy. If this was my dad, I'd be embarrassed, pissed, and worried as hell that my dad was going to end up dead. :(

newsflash: we will all end up dead

skipgo

01-11-2008, 09:29 AM

WHAT!!???

skipgo

01-11-2008, 09:30 AM

okay then, if you want to get all nit-picky about it. End up dead SOON.

Pizza Club

01-11-2008, 09:34 AM

What is hard to fathom is how someone can look at those two photos and not see the same man.

Seriously. How is this NOT him? He looks exactly like what we know he looks like. I know how things are on this board, but this actually isn't something that's funny or something that should be joked about.

wpc33

01-11-2008, 09:48 AM

Over 7 years. Plus, it's well-known fact that the ears & nose never stop growing.

xezton

01-11-2008, 09:55 AM

I know how things are on this board, but this actually isn't something that's funny or something that should be joked about.

Except this is someone's life. I'm sure if your daddy got busted for something terrible you would love people LOLing at you.

skipgo

01-11-2008, 10:34 AM

have to agree with pizza club on this one.

xezton

01-11-2008, 11:03 AM

Except this is someone's life. I'm sure if your daddy got busted for something terrible you would love people LOLing at you.

If I were famous and had internet forums based on me, I would fully expect it and not give a fuck.

When Britney Spears went to the hospital or whatever the hell happened to her, I'm sure no one on the internet joked about how "glad they'd be if she would've died" because her life is so precious.

It would be different if there was a rule here at :netphoria that said, "Please don't make jokes about famous people's parents and their drug problems."

spidrr

01-11-2008, 11:04 AM

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/wpc33/BOLLYDAD.jpg

I think this pic gives it much more validity. Its pretty close to a sure shot that its definitly him. Theres way too many similarities. The "real" picture of him on the right, he is in mid sentence. When your mouth is open in mid sentence, it will change the shape of your nose in photos, especially if the lighting isnt the best (which it is not in this case).

The jaw line, the way the face sags around the jaw, the ear height and shape. hairline. everything. too close to say its not him.

skipgo

01-11-2008, 11:09 AM

robert, there aren't rules anywhere that say you shouldn't make these kind of jokes, but it's certainly not a bad thing to have compassion for people. I think britney is a trainwreck, but i don't make jokes even about her. Some people prefer to draw the line at stuff like that.

Pizza Club

01-11-2008, 11:17 AM

If I were famous and had internet forums based on me, I would fully expect it and not give a fuck.

Just because Billy Jr. is famous does not make Billy Sr. fair game. There are no Bill Corgan Sr. forums and the only thing he did to have anyone from the public to give him shit was giving his son his name. It's fine if you live in the Temple Terrace community and don't want this kind of stuff happening in your own backyard, but for anyone to make any kind of judgements is ridiculous.

flavin

01-11-2008, 11:24 AM

i have a friend whose name is bernard jeffrey oniell, jr. his fathers name however is bernard william oniell, sr. they both go by ben, hence the sr/jr.

i figured the only reason billy was named patrick was because his birthday is on st patricks day (i know at least 1 person where this is the case).

I have always thought that the naming situation there is incorrect, that the middle name does have to be the same to merit the sr/jr/iii/etc.
I have the same first and last name as my father, grandfather, great grandfather, and so on, but because we have different middle names, none of us take a title.

sppunk

01-11-2008, 11:26 AM

Just because Billy Jr. is famous does not make Billy Sr. fair game. There are no Bill Corgan Sr. forums and the only thing he did to have anyone from the public to give him shit was giving his son his name. It's fine if you live in the Temple Terrace community and don't want this kind of stuff happening in your own backyard, but for anyone to make any kind of judgements is ridiculous.

There was a thread here within 30 minutes of 9/11 making fun.

When a user's dad committed suicide, many posters congratulated her.

It's expected and encouraged. Shut the fuck up or leave, your choice.

Mayfuck

01-11-2008, 11:27 AM

nice edit

Rider

01-11-2008, 11:28 AM

I love the fact that people on this board automatically equate living it what looks like an apartment building equals living a ghetto crack house. For all we know those could be 300,000 town houses.

Rider

01-11-2008, 11:29 AM

robert, there aren't rules anywhere that say you shouldn't make these kind of jokes, but it's certainly not a bad thing to have compassion for people. I think britney is a trainwreck, but i don't make jokes even about her. Some people prefer to draw the line at stuff like that.

shut up mayday.

skipgo

01-11-2008, 11:35 AM

hey, being a person who doesn't make fun of people's hardships doesn't make me mayday. you know i'm not like that rider.

skipgo

01-11-2008, 11:37 AM

I love the fact that people on this board automatically equate living it what looks like an apartment building equals living a ghetto crack house. For all we know those could be 300,000 town houses.

no shit; that's what some people are using as their basis to not believe it's him. Forget your eyes that clearly show you that it's him in the photo.
and as for the naming thing, I'm sure it's up to the individual naming their kid "jr", and not some hard fast rules that say the middle name has to be the same.

Pizza Club

01-11-2008, 11:42 AM

It's expected and encouraged. Shut the fuck up or leave, your choice.

I'm not doing either. Fuck the fucking Red Sox by the way.

Eulogy

01-11-2008, 11:46 AM

sppunk, it's really annoying when people try to sound authoritative and then refuse to offer anything to back up what they are saying.

Rider

01-11-2008, 11:46 AM

hey, being a person who doesn't make fun of people's hardships doesn't make me mayday. you know i'm not like that rider.

yeah just the way you said it sounded like her.

skipgo

01-11-2008, 11:47 AM

yeah just the way you said it sounded like her.

next time i'll pepper my compassion speech with a few "fucks" to avoid that :D

skipgo

01-11-2008, 11:49 AM

sppunk, it's really annoying when people try to sound authoritative and then refuse to offer anything to back up what they are saying.

it's also annoying when they close a thread or change it's name just because they don't happen to believe it. Netphoria's a fucking police state.

MonteLDS

01-11-2008, 11:52 AM

it's also annoying when they close a thread or change it's name just because they don't happen to believe it. Netphoria's a fucking police state.

admins sometimes go too far. if they wanted to edit the title they should of put a question mark there instead...

thumbs down to the admins..

jimmy drevpile

01-11-2008, 11:53 AM

poor guy

Rider

01-11-2008, 11:56 AM

admins sometimes go too far. if they wanted to edit the title they should of put a question mark there instead...

thumbs down to the admins..

The title was changed 3 times. Isn't SPPUNK some kind of reporter? wow I"d be embarrassed.

Eulogy

01-11-2008, 11:56 AM

it's also annoying when they close a thread or change it's name just because they don't happen to believe it. Netphoria's a fucking police state.

yeah this type of thing doesn't bother me too much.

but if i had my way, admins/mods would do nothing aside from banning people who flood the board. rules suck.

Eulogy

01-11-2008, 11:57 AM

The title was changed 3 times. Isn't SPPUNK some kind of reporter? wow I"d be embarrassed.

yeah i thought i was just misremembering...but didn't it say "false, but it's still fun to pretend" yesterday?

skipgo

01-11-2008, 11:59 AM

yeah, it was changed again.

skipgo

01-11-2008, 12:03 PM

yeah this type of thing doesn't bother me too much.

but if i had my way, admins/mods would do nothing aside from banning people who flood the board. rules suck.

the title change doesn't bother me so much as this thread getting closed briefly last night (though i guess it doesn't matter since it was reopened). But it's like that song a day thread getting closed, that was just because it annoyed him. People strayed off topic a lot, but always went right back to talking about the pumpkins, which i thought was what this board was supposed to be about. My theory is that all the mods besides corganist hate the pumpkins now and also hate everyone (or most everyone) who post on the sp board, and they let their personal feelings dictate how they moderate the board. A mod should be impartial and just enforce the rules.
i mean, i'm all for having them come on here and tell us all to fuck off if they feel like it, but censoring a topic that people want to talk about, that's about the band or the members of the band, is going overboard.

Spaceboy88

01-11-2008, 12:08 PM

Where's Zwanphoria when you need it?

xezton

01-11-2008, 12:08 PM

robert, there aren't rules anywhere that say you shouldn't make these kind of jokes, but it's certainly not a bad thing to have compassion for people. I think britney is a trainwreck, but i don't make jokes even about her. Some people prefer to draw the line at stuff like that.

I have compassion.

In the only post I've written in this thread I only made a joke about how "bad" Zeitgeist is (even though I listen to it pretty often and actually like it a lot... well at least the first 5 tracks) and related it to the topic of this thread. I didn't make fun of Billy Dale directly, just his drug use, which is something people joke about all the time, especially on the internet.

I respect him as the father of a good musician and a pretty good musician himself (from what I've seen of his blues stuff). I don't respect his drug use, however.

If he were dead, I wouldn't even post in the thread.

Seeing as he's just got himself in jail, he's just like my alcoholic brother, who I make fun of frequently for his addiction and for ending up in jail more times than I can remember, or count on both hands.

I also said in my original post that it sucks that it seems like shit is hitting the fan with Billy's "family" since the Pumpkins came back (Jimmy's heart, Billy Dale's heroin). So I definitely feel for the guy.

All's I'm sayin' is I draw the line a little higher because I have experienced similar stuff. But I do have compassion.

hugz?

skipgo

01-11-2008, 12:11 PM

complaints about mods aside, why do you think no one has caught onto the fact that billy's dad was arrested? it doesn't mention it in the article, but i guess it wasn't obvious to the people reporting it because really, why would it be? By now though, I would've thought a music news site would've heard about it. Usually the media jumps all over an opportunity like this one.

skipgo

01-11-2008, 12:11 PM

I have compassion.

In the only post I've written in this thread I only made a joke about how "bad" Zeitgeist is (even though I listen to it pretty often and actually like it a lot... well at least the first 5 tracks) and related it to the topic of this thread. I didn't make fun of Billy Dale directly, just his drug use, which is something people joke about all the time, especially on the internet.

I respect him as the father of a good musician and a pretty good musician himself (from what I've seen of his blues stuff). I don't respect his drug use, however.

If he were dead, I wouldn't even post in the thread.

Seeing as he's just got himself in jail, he's just like my alcoholic brother, who I make fun of frequently for his addiction and for ending up in jail more times than I can remember, or count on both hands.

I also said in my original post that it sucks that it seems like shit is hitting the fan with Billy's "family" since the Pumpkins came back (Jimmy's heart, Billy Dale's heroin). So I definitely feel for the guy.

All's I'm sayin' is I draw the line a little higher because I have experienced similar stuff. But I do have compassion.

hugz?

hugz.

Rider

01-11-2008, 12:13 PM

complaints about mods aside, why do you think no one has caught onto the fact that billy's dad was arrested? it doesn't mention it in the article, but i guess it wasn't obvious to the people reporting it because really, why would it be? By now though, I would've thought a music news site would've heard about it. Usually the media jumps all over an opportunity like this one.

no one cares about Billy plus most music web sites would draw the line at this. I really don't see Pitchfork running this kind of gossip article.

Eulogy

01-11-2008, 12:13 PM

Seeing as he's just got himself in jail, he's just like my alcoholic brother, who I make fun of frequently for his addiction

thank god you're not my brother.

sppunk

01-11-2008, 12:14 PM

the title change doesn't bother me so much as this thread getting closed briefly last night (though i guess it doesn't matter since it was reopened). But it's like that song a day thread getting closed, that was just because it annoyed him. People strayed off topic a lot, but always went right back to talking about the pumpkins, which i thought was what this board was supposed to be about. My theory is that all the mods besides corganist hate the pumpkins now and also hate everyone (or most everyone) who post on the sp board, and they let their personal feelings dictate how they moderate the board. A mod should be impartial and just enforce the rules.
i mean, i'm all for having them come on here and tell us all to fuck off if they feel like it, but censoring a topic that people want to talk about, that's about the band or the members of the band, is going overboard.

Never was this thread meant to be closed. I changed the title because this isn't definitely his father (and we're claiming it is, which I didn't believe at first but do now).

Regarding your other thread, for three pages people were talking about rep. It was a plus-one thread which has always been against Andrew's policies.