The basic policy for a while now has been "no music to your pages." BUT, we'll allow it from time to time as long as it's done in moderation, and the lyrics are clean (absolutely NO profanity - that's how music got banned here in the first place!).

Having said that, I can add music to my pages by embedding a youtube video with the tune/tunes that I want. I'll also alter the HTML to make the Youtube screen invisible, so there's less visual interference with the MOC.

Again, it's acceptable as long as you don't go overboard, and keep it clean. I might also add that it really should support the creation's concept so as to be an "enhancement" to the MOC, rather than a page that's more about the music.

Quoting Mark Kelso
I'll also alter the HTML to make the Youtube screen invisible, so there's less visual interference with the MOC.

Yyeah, that's not such a great idea. It helps if people know there's music there to start with, so they don't just suddenly have it start playing out of the blue. OR you could have a notice saying "autoplaying music" in large, bright red letters.Permalink

Quoting Mark Kelso
The basic policy for a while now has been "no music to your pages." BUT, we'll allow it from time to time as long as it's done in moderation, and the lyrics are clean (absolutely NO profanity - that's how music got banned here in the first place!).

Having said that, I can add music to my pages by embedding a youtube video with the tune/tunes that I want. I'll also alter the HTML to make the Youtube screen invisible, so there's less visual interference with the MOC.

Again, it's acceptable as long as you don't go overboard, and keep it clean. I might also add that it really should support the creation's concept so as to be an "enhancement" to the MOC, rather than a page that's more about the music.

Quoting Mark Kelso
I'll also alter the HTML to make the Youtube screen invisible, so there's less visual interference with the MOC.

Yyeah, that's not such a great idea. It helps if people know there's music there to start with, so they don't just suddenly have it start playing out of the blue. OR you could have a notice saying "autoplaying music" in large, bright red letters.

Yeah, it's probably more courteous to give the viewer the option to turn down the music, or at least to know that it's about to blow their ears off.

However, my perspective is that a page is like my canvas. The artist in me isn't willing to compromise on presentation. When I include music, it's a medium as much as the Lego itself, and the other different mediums (Lego, Photography and Photo-editing, music, writing, etc.) work simultaneously and in harmony (to the best of my ability, anyway). So to turn down or turn off the music is to compromise the page, to add text notifying the viewer of the music, again, compromises the presentation. It might be a minor issue for most builders, but for me those kinds of details are measures that take a MOC to the next level, and I like to utilize every tool available to me for control of how the creation is experienced.

Of course, the veiwer has options, as well (which are out of my control). They can turn down the sound, turn it off, or just close out the page - but at least I will have done what I could, in every aspect, to present my work the way I want it presented...artistic license, in a nut shell.

Quoting andros tempest
well my view is, I don't want to hear the music - period! If I link to a page with music on, I instantly click back.

I find it annoying and distracting. This is an image sharing sight for Lego enthusiasts - not a juke box.

I have to agree with Mark. A comic series I am working on is DRIVEN by the music. I'm not writing anything. The lyrics and builds are going to speak for me. It's pushing story telling to a new level. Now, if I would stop being lazy and start producing it we would get somewhere :P.Permalink

Quoting Mark Kelso
The basic policy for a while now has been "no music to your pages." BUT, we'll allow it from time to time as long as it's done in moderation, and the lyrics are clean (absolutely NO profanity - that's how music got banned here in the first place!).

Having said that, I can add music to my pages by embedding a youtube video with the tune/tunes that I want. I'll also alter the HTML to make the Youtube screen invisible, so there's less visual interference with the MOC.

Again, it's acceptable as long as you don't go overboard, and keep it clean. I might also add that it really should support the creation's concept so as to be an "enhancement" to the MOC, rather than a page that's more about the music.

1. Embed a Youtube video.
2. Delete Everything around <embed...</embed>
3. Just type &loop=1 and &autoplay=1 behind the URL.
4. Set allowscriptaccess and allowfullscreen to "false".
5. Make the width 300 and the height 25.

1. Embed a Youtube video.
2. Delete Everything around <embed...</embed>
3. Just type &loop=1 and &autoplay=1 behind the URL.
4. Set allowscriptaccess and allowfullscreen to "false".
5. Make the width 300 and the height 25.

Quoting andros tempest
well my view is, I don't want to hear the music - period! If I link to a page with music on, I instantly click back.

I find it annoying and distracting. This is an image sharing sight for Lego enthusiasts - not a juke box.

You seem pretty frustrated with the music issue. That's too bad. I like the fact it gives us another medium in which to combine our Lego work with, and broadens the range of creative options.

I get what you're saying, though. And it's very easy to go from using it in moderation, and using it responsibly, to it being over-used and just down right obnoxious.

When we fist had the capacity to include tunes, I think it might have been available for maybe 48 hours before someone posted a song so vulgar that Sean immediately put a ban on music across the board. Things settled down, and we eventually came to where we are now with it - but, right from the start, there was the inclination with members to overdo it.Permalink

I occasionally add music but most of the time, I embed videos that I have made of my MOCs that show it better that pictures. Maybe, you could see if Sean could make a video uploader so we didn't need to embed vids of our MOCs. Then, you wouldn't get all the adds and stuff from youtube.Permalink

Quoting Little Ewok
I occasionally add music but most of the time, I embed videos that I have made of my MOCs that show it better that pictures. Maybe, you could see if Sean could make a video uploader so we didn't need to embed vids of our MOCs. Then, you wouldn't get all the adds and stuff from youtube.

That might be something for the future, although Sean would have to look into the time, cost, and maintenance of such a feature.Permalink

1. Embed a Youtube video.
2. Delete Everything around <embed...</embed>
3. Just type &loop=1 and &autoplay=1 behind the URL.
4. Set allowscriptaccess and allowfullscreen to "false".
5. Make the width 300 and the height 25.

You seem pretty frustrated with the music issue. That's too bad. I like the fact it gives us another medium in which to combine our Lego work with, and broadens the range of creative options.

I get what you're saying, though. And it's very easy to go from using it in moderation, and using it responsibly, to it being over-used and just down right obnoxious.

When we fist had the capacity to include tunes, I think it might have been available for maybe 48 hours before someone posted a song so vulgar that Sean immediately put a ban on music across the board. Things settled down, and we eventually came to where we are now with it - but, right from the start, there was the inclination with members to overdo it.

to be honest I'm indifferent to the whole thing. I just feel when you're constantly advising people NOT to use HTML code because it causes problems, encouraging people to embed music files on an endless loop is asking for problems.

Stuff like this might explain why the website is inaccessible about 1 in 5 days at the moment. Permalink

Quoting andros tempest
to be honest I'm indifferent to the whole thing. I just feel when you're constantly advising people NOT to use HTML code because it causes problems, encouraging people to embed music files on an endless loop is asking for problems.

Stuff like this might explain why the website is inaccessible about 1 in 5 days at the moment.

I don't like it when people loop music invisibly, but I'm fine with a video here or there.Permalink

Unless the music and MOC are very closely related (say the A-Team music and a MOC of the A-Team van) I will immediately leave the page and not comment or like it. I'd suggest not adding music unless it helps explain the MOC.Permalink

Quoting Ape Fight
Unless the music and MOC are very closely related (say the A-Team music and a MOC of the A-Team van) I will immediately leave the page and not comment or like it. I'd suggest not adding music unless it helps explain the MOC.

Yeah, maybe I am, but I'm here to look at MOCs, not wait ages and ages for a page to load because of all the other stuff it's got on it slowing the servers up.

Also- and this is a generalisation so it doesn't apply to all MOCers before people get annoyed- there seems to be a link between the amount of pointless guff on someones page and the quality of their work. As a rule, lots of guff = poor quality MOCs.

As soon as I see a load of stuff like Ninja scribbles, 'Don't click here!'s, music etc, I think the MOCs will be poor and I move on to someone else's pages. Permalink

Quoting Ape Fight
Unless the music and MOC are very closely related (say the A-Team music and a MOC of the A-Team van) I will immediately leave the page and not comment or like it. I'd suggest not adding music unless it helps explain the MOC.

Once again, Ape Fight, you hit the nail on the head. If the MOCies had an award for common sense, I'd be nominating you every time!Permalink

Couldn't you just put up a youtube video (that is just music) instead of an autoplay feature? That way the viewer won't get annoyed and if they really want to experience all the MOC has to offer, they'll hit the play button.Permalink

Yeah, maybe I am, but I'm here to look at MOCs, not wait ages and ages for a page to load because of all the other stuff it's got on it slowing the servers up.

Also- and this is a generalisation so it doesn't apply to all MOCers before people get annoyed- there seems to be a link between the amount of pointless guff on someones page and the quality of their work. As a rule, lots of guff = poor quality MOCs.

As soon as I see a load of stuff like Ninja scribbles, 'Don't click here!'s, music etc, I think the MOCs will be poor and I move on to someone else's pages.

same here.

Like I said earlier, I actually don't care if people have music on their pages, but it doesn't fill me with a desire to stick around when i hear it with no way to turn it off. And for all the reasons you said, I also don't expect to be impressed by any builds.

Pesonally, I dont see a problem with music. Mark Kelso's Apocalypsis made me realize I could do something Ive always wanted to do: create a story that had music lined up perfectly with it! From there, I figured out how to embed youtube videos (thanks for the tip about the "old embed code Stormbringer). Youtube videos do seem like the best way to go for me. It lets people choose if they want to hear the music or not. Personally, music really brings out the emotion in my comics. thats why I use it. But I still give people the option, cuz I know it can get annoying having music just pop out of nowhere. But if used correctly, music can give a whole new meaning to MOCs and comics.Permalink

Quoting Nufalak of Mythada
Pesonally, I dont see a problem with music. Mark Kelso's Apocalypsis made me realize I could do something Ive always wanted to do: create a story that had music lined up perfectly with it! From there, I figured out how to embed youtube videos (thanks for the tip about the "old embed code Stormbringer). Youtube videos do seem like the best way to go for me. It lets people choose if they want to hear the music or not. Personally, music really brings out the emotion in my comics. thats why I use it. But I still give people the option, cuz I know it can get annoying having music just pop out of nowhere. But if used correctly, music can give a whole new meaning to MOCs and comics.

Quoting Nufalak of Mythada
Pesonally, I dont see a problem with music. Mark Kelso's Apocalypsis made me realize I could do something Ive always wanted to do: create a story that had music lined up perfectly with it! From there, I figured out how to embed youtube videos (thanks for the tip about the "old embed code Stormbringer). Youtube videos do seem like the best way to go for me. It lets people choose if they want to hear the music or not. Personally, music really brings out the emotion in my comics. thats why I use it. But I still give people the option, cuz I know it can get annoying having music just pop out of nowhere. But if used correctly, music can give a whole new meaning to MOCs and comics.

That's how I feel. I'm planning on a comic that relies on the music for the story, no words from me. Otherwise, you would miss out.Permalink

Loads of Bionicle MOCer like myself use music as a theme song for their Bionicle. One of mine has AC/DC 'Night Prowler' on for the theme song.

Using music is BETTER for Bionicles, becuse it adds desription, and sometimes personality.

I'm changing mine soon, because it doesn't fit the character.

I personally think that it is fine to add music to a page, just NOT invisible or on Autoplay, so you can give the viewer of the MOC the choice of music or No Music. That's what I do, and most people I see do that as well.

Quoting Matthew Novosad
I have to agree with Mark. A comic series I am working on is DRIVEN by the music. I'm not writing anything. The lyrics and builds are going to speak for me. It's pushing story telling to a new level. Now, if I would stop being lazy and start producing it we would get somewhere :P.

On this subject does anyone else get the advert on the MOCpages homepage, and even on members' hompages, that automatically plays?

I know it only takes a second to hit pause but I don't like being anywhere where control of what I see or hear is taken away from me as the default position.

In fact, I've never been on a website where the advert plays sound automatically before (normally you have to select it from 'unmute').

I know we've seen advert complaints on MOCpages before, and the answer has always been 'we don't have control' - but maybe you should have some more control, especially over some chap selling the ideals of his yoga course which the vistor has to listen to by default.

Anyone else think the video advert on MOCpages is both unusual, and not welcome here? I'm not talking about the content of the ads, just the position that they're effectively a pop-up that doesn't pop-up - you have to actively do something to shut them up.Permalink

Quoting Mark Kelso
The basic policy for a while now has been "no music to your pages." BUT, we'll allow it from time to time as long as it's done in moderation, and the lyrics are clean (absolutely NO profanity - that's how music got banned here in the first place!).

Having said that, I can add music to my pages by embedding a youtube video with the tune/tunes that I want. I'll also alter the HTML to make the Youtube screen invisible, so there's less visual interference with the MOC.

Again, it's acceptable as long as you don't go overboard, and keep it clean. I might also add that it really should support the creation's concept so as to be an "enhancement" to the MOC, rather than a page that's more about the music.

ok,well,I don't even want to add lyrics. and I've found out how to add videos.Permalink