If we dont win anything this season.

After the way last season ended, with Utd being made to look like amatures against Barca, we believed Utd needed to improve.But we got knocked out of Europe after our poorest showing in years.And in Europes second comp we have been poor, with Spains 5th or 6th best team running rings around us at old trafford and with us being clueless at their ground.So if we dont win the prem this will be our worst season for nearly 20 years.Early games suggested players like Cleverley would be a force this season, but tonights game has shown he aint got it.So how soon before people are calling for Fergie to step down finally, of course there will be many who keep banging on about what he has done at Utd, but what he has done is in the past, the worrying downhill slide is what is happening.

Also Fergies attitude towards the Europa could also come back and bite his butt, putting all your eggs into the prem, when you still have to face the rich and mighty away is very risky, cause if citys slump ends soon then they will finish very strongly and will fancy beating us at home.

Thats just so bloody honest and to the point Clive; I was moved....However, one swallow doesn't make a summer, and there will be blood before this seasons over; be it good or bad.Interesting though...and I always thought Wenger drew the short straw this season. Now I'm not so sure. Good luck anyway. You deserve that for your honesty Clive.

" and I always thought Wenger drew the short straw this season." How's that gillian ? Giving excuses again ? I mean, we might win only the community shield this season, but even that is more than Francenal have for the last 7. Do you think Whinger has drawn the 'short straw' for the 7th time ? Excuses, always excuses.

I really hope Fergie steps down and leaves for good, followed by the Glazers and the current directors. Fergie's attitude towards the Europa League really does my head in, and has come back to bite him in the @$$ and i strongly feel it's time he is held accountable for dragging us into our current plight. I can't understand why most other Utd fans are so afraid of calling him out, and start attacking fellow supporters who do. True, he's done a lot for the club for the past 2 decades, but now it's clear for all to see that he's no longer competent at his job. And shame on the owners and board for not exerting enough pressure on him to reinforce the squad, change his tactics and get the results. They're nothing but a bunch of weaklings and are just interested in lining their own wallets than serving the best interests of the club. And ket's not forget that Phelan's useless as a #2. To all United fans, let's force the current owners, directors and management out of the club. We need a young, modern, personable and tactically smart manager, a young, able assstant coach, wealthier and more powerful owners and directors who actually care for the club and its fans, not the jokers we currently have in charge of us right now!!!!

Were they 'jokers' when United won the treble ?( I meant the 2008 'treble' ) Can you name any English club as successful as United over the last 7 years ? Guardiola will stay with Barcelona. I know it's terrible , and we should all commit collective suicide if we don't win a trophy, I do think you should support a club like Chelsea though kitten/slayer. They change their manager every 6 months, which wopuld be right up your street.