How can they be on a list of "best comic book villains" if they never appeared in a comic book? I could be wrong, but I don't remember Prince Nuada in any of the Hellboy comics. But yes, he is pretty damn cool in that movie.

ChewbaccaJones:How can they be on a list of "best comic book villains" if they never appeared in a comic book? I could be wrong, but I don't remember Prince Nuada in any of the Hellboy comics. But yes, he is pretty damn cool in that movie.

He didn't, it was mentioned in the article. Seems to be breaking the rules. Jared Nomak from Blade 2 would've been a worthy addition to the list IMO.

Agreed. A pretty darn good list and Magneto is rightfully on top. You can't beat Ian McKellan. His Magneto is pitch perfect.

In the first X-Men movie, there was one moment near the end after he's finished mocking the Xers and and he turns, holds his hands canted out in a slightly cruciform pose and effortlessly starts to levitate up the Statue of Liberty... something about that just *screamed* Magneto to me.

Agreed. A pretty darn good list and Magneto is rightfully on top. You can't beat Ian McKellan. His Magneto is pitch perfect.

In the first X-Men movie, there was one moment near the end after he's finished mocking the Xers and and he turns, holds his hands canted out in a slightly cruciform pose and effortlessly starts to levitate up the Statue of Liberty... something about that just *screamed* Magneto to me.

As good as he was in X-men, it was his role in X-2 that really brought it home for me. In that movie, you see that not only is he 'right' about humanity, but that he honestly sees mutant as his family, even the ones that are trying to beat him up.

"A guy whose actions seem evil from the outside but absolutely heroic and essential when seen from his point of view. After all, he's only trying to save his entire world from extinction. Who can blame the guy?"

"A guy whose actions seem evil from the outside but absolutely heroic and essential when seen from his point of view. After all, he's only trying to save his entire world from extinction. Who can blame the guy?"

Infernalist:PIP_the_TROLL: Alphax: Not a bad list, but published in April.

I'm also unfamiliar with #9 and #7.

Agreed. A pretty darn good list and Magneto is rightfully on top. You can't beat Ian McKellan. His Magneto is pitch perfect.

In the first X-Men movie, there was one moment near the end after he's finished mocking the Xers and and he turns, holds his hands canted out in a slightly cruciform pose and effortlessly starts to levitate up the Statue of Liberty... something about that just *screamed* Magneto to me.

As good as he was in X-men, it was his role in X-2 that really brought it home for me. In that movie, you see that not only is he 'right' about humanity, but that he honestly sees mutant as his family, even the ones that are trying to beat him up.

Agreed, McKellan was great as Magneto. However, don't forget about Michael Fassbender. He did a great job as well. Fantastic actors, both of them.

Klippoklondike:Infernalist: PIP_the_TROLL: Alphax: Not a bad list, but published in April.

I'm also unfamiliar with #9 and #7.

Agreed. A pretty darn good list and Magneto is rightfully on top. You can't beat Ian McKellan. His Magneto is pitch perfect.

In the first X-Men movie, there was one moment near the end after he's finished mocking the Xers and and he turns, holds his hands canted out in a slightly cruciform pose and effortlessly starts to levitate up the Statue of Liberty... something about that just *screamed* Magneto to me.

As good as he was in X-men, it was his role in X-2 that really brought it home for me. In that movie, you see that not only is he 'right' about humanity, but that he honestly sees mutant as his family, even the ones that are trying to beat him up.

Agreed, McKellan was great as Magneto. However, don't forget about Michael Fassbender. He did a great job as well. Fantastic actors, both of them.

I honestly can't wait to see Fassbender and McKellan face to face in DoFP...

Infernalist:As good as he was in X-men, it was his role in X-2 that really brought it home for me. In that movie, you see that not only is he 'right' about humanity, but that he honestly sees mutant as his family, even the ones that are trying to beat him up.

"Fluctuating between remorseful and sadistic with a moment's notice, Molina does the impossible and crafts a megalomaniacal supervillain who also just to happens to be the kind of guy you'd like to sit down and have a cup of coffee with... if he didn't have those robotic tentacles, of course."

I still haven't seen that movie, but when I read Spider Man in the local paper every day for the first couple of decades of my life, that Doc Ok actually WOULD sit down for tea with Aunt May.

CapnPlaty:ChewbaccaJones: How can they be on a list of "best comic book villains" if they never appeared in a comic book? I could be wrong, but I don't remember Prince Nuada in any of the Hellboy comics. But yes, he is pretty damn cool in that movie.

He didn't, it was mentioned in the article. Seems to be breaking the rules. Jared Nomak from Blade 2 would've been a worthy addition to the list IMO.

SilentStrider:I would've had Loki higher based on Hiddleston's performance, but not a bad list.

Waldo Pepper:he nailed it on Prince Nuada. You know you should hate the guy but hard to argue with his reasoning and he played it just right.

Hiddleston played Loki with such panache you couldn't help but like him and Prince Nuada was the best good guy driven to despair, Nuada: (to Hellboy) Is it them or us? Which holocaust should be chosen? We die, and the world will be poorer for it.

Nicholas D. Wolfwood:List fails without Ozymandias, from 'Watchmen'. How many others of these losers actually managed to *pull off* their Eeeevil Plots (tm)? That alone should have nailed top spot for him.

Perhaps because the actual performance was sort of...lackluster.

Nuada, and Hellboy 2, were brilliant. Del Toro made a great flick, that captured the essence of a great deal of Mignola's work. The wonder, the horror, the humor, and while it wasn't based on any single Mignola piece, it managed to keep the style and do them justice to the characters and the world he's created. The best of Mignola's villains aren't the ones who are just monsters--and there are plenty of those--but the ones that you can see exactly why they walked the paths they did, and often with the best of intentions and reasons. That's the thing about Mignola, is that you see plenty of critters that are just plane shaking ebbil, but also, wonders trying desperately to stay out of the world, away from the world of Men. I hope that del Toro will pick up another Hellboy one day, because there isn't another director out there that gets the work as well as he does.

Alphax:Shrugging Atlas: "A guy whose actions seem evil from the outside but absolutely heroic and essential when seen from his point of view. After all, he's only trying to save his entire world from extinction. Who can blame the guy?"

That's how I felt about Zod in Man of Steel.

Agreed. Though Man of Steel hadn't come out when the list was made.

Please: Zod was a dick.

Humans and Kryptonians could have co-existed, but Zod wanted to murder us all and then set up his own utopia. No excuses for him.

Nicholas D. Wolfwood:List fails without Ozymandias, from 'Watchmen'. How many others of these losers actually managed to *pull off* their Eeeevil Plots (tm)? That alone should have nailed top spot for him.

Nope, the list would fail with him. He's a great villain in the comic, but he was horribly miscast in the movie. Ozy needed to be a likable movie idol type to sell the twist ending, not a skinny, untrustworthy schemer with an on-again-off-again Eastern European accent. Weirdly enough, it was one of the very few comic book roles that would have been perfect for George Clooney.

Don't think Zod should have been rated lower than Red Skull, but that's just me.

PluckYew:FTFA: Dominic West, who for many people will forever be the unforgettable Detective McNulty from The Wire. For those without HBO, he's one of Gerard Butler's men in 300 or the bad guy in John Carter.

Um, no. He was Leonidas' nemesis who bribed the Ephors, blackmail raped Gorgo and was revealed to be a traitor

Maybe he was getting him mixed up with Fassbender? Just re-watched 300 last night and I had forgotten he was in that.

PIP_the_TROLL:slayer199: Seemed more like a guy with a serious inferiority complex.

That's what Loki has *always* been. It's been his primary motivating factor since forever.

As far back as the original Norse Mythology. As the adopted brother of Thor he felt like he could never match up to him. Of course IIRC while shape shifted Loki also gave birth to Fenris, The Midgard Serpent and Sleipnir as well as being the cause of Baldir's death.

therecksays:PIP_the_TROLL: slayer199: Seemed more like a guy with a serious inferiority complex.

That's what Loki has *always* been. It's been his primary motivating factor since forever.

As far back as the original Norse Mythology. As the adopted brother of Thor he felt like he could never match up to him. Of course IIRC while shape shifted Loki also gave birth to Fenris, The Midgard Serpent and Sleipnir as well as being the cause of Baldir's death.

also he totally got cornholed and impregnated the time he turned into a she mare

therecksays:PIP_the_TROLL: slayer199: Seemed more like a guy with a serious inferiority complex.

That's what Loki has *always* been. It's been his primary motivating factor since forever.

As far back as the original Norse Mythology.

Pretty much no. The actual Norse God is blood brother to Odin, and sometimes traveling companion to Thorr. In one version of the myth, he co-created humanity with Odin and Hoenir and imbued humans with "color and countenance". Gave the Gods Gungnir, Skidbladnir and Sif's golden hair, and indirectly responsible for (through a wager) the ring Draupnir, Gullinbursti the boar, and Mjollnir.

therecksays:PIP_the_TROLL: slayer199: Seemed more like a guy with a serious inferiority complex.

That's what Loki has *always* been. It's been his primary motivating factor since forever.

As far back as the original Norse Mythology. As the adopted brother of Thor he felt like he could never match up to him. Of course IIRC while shape shifted Loki also gave birth to Fenris, The Midgard Serpent and Sleipnir as well as being the cause of Baldir's death.

Killing Balder was a case of Loki being really insecure about not being the favorite kid, too, it was pretty much his motivation for sabotaging the whole "make him immune to all forms of harm" thing and then also sabotaging the effort to bring him back after.

Actually, the Balder story is probably the root of his character in the comics, in most of the other stories Loki was either a dick or playing class clown just because he was restless by nature, getting into plots and stuff with the same compulsiveness that Thor picked fights and started drinking contests. The comics transplanted the implied insecurity to the other brother, then added some weird shiat where he wasn't Odin's blood kin just to vainly try to one-up how ridiculous the Eddas was to begin with.

I still think that if they do a Witchblade movie Luke Goss has got to be cast as Ian Nottingham. Just watching in Hellboy II was enough for me. He was amazing.The rest fit. Loki is that guy you wanna hate but can't really seem to, you're just happy to see him lose.The original Zod was a super badass. Didn't see the new superman, probably won't but I did like the Zod of the original Superman.

I have to admit that Kevin Spacey's Lex Luther was tough to swallow. He played it so well and you really got to see his psychotic side which Gene Hackman never really gave life to. Hackman was a good humor kinda guy to watch go against Superman, Spacey just was unpredictable and that made him even more evil than Hackman. I didn't mind Superman returns for that reason. Spacey was awesome in it.

Chiquidin:I still think that if they do a Witchblade movie Luke Goss has got to be cast as Ian Nottingham. Just watching in Hellboy II was enough for me. He was amazing.The rest fit. Loki is that guy you wanna hate but can't really seem to, you're just happy to see him lose.The original Zod was a super badass. Didn't see the new superman, probably won't but I did like the Zod of the original Superman.

The new Zod was different. A military leader and a patriot, he rose up against Kryton's leaders, killing some of them, because they brought about the destruction of Kryton. He wanted to restore his people, give them a new world to live on, and if everything currently living on Earth had to die, so be it.

Alphax:Chiquidin: I still think that if they do a Witchblade movie Luke Goss has got to be cast as Ian Nottingham. Just watching in Hellboy II was enough for me. He was amazing.The rest fit. Loki is that guy you wanna hate but can't really seem to, you're just happy to see him lose.The original Zod was a super badass. Didn't see the new superman, probably won't but I did like the Zod of the original Superman.

The new Zod was different. A military leader and a patriot, he rose up against Kryton's leaders, killing some of them, because they brought about the destruction of Kryton. He wanted to restore his people, give them a new world to live on, and if everything currently living on Earth had to die, so be it.

Yeah that doesn't really fit with the Zod I know. He wanted "subjects", wanted to be worshipped and served...Thanks for the input.

EdgeRunner:Nicholas D. Wolfwood: List fails without Ozymandias, from 'Watchmen'. How many others of these losers actually managed to *pull off* their Eeeevil Plots (tm)? That alone should have nailed top spot for him.

Nope, the list would fail with him. He's a great villain in the comic, but he was horribly miscast in the movie. Ozy needed to be a likable movie idol type to sell the twist ending, not a skinny, untrustworthy schemer with an on-again-off-again Eastern European accent. Weirdly enough, it was one of the very few comic book roles that would have been perfect for George Clooney.

Nope, Veidt shouldn't be on the list because he wasn't the villain. Everybody forgets this is the guy that saved Humanity, indeed the entire biosphere higher than deep sea bacteria, from nuclear eradication.

The villain in Watchmen is Nixon, his Soviet counterpart, and the whole Us vs Them mentality of our species. Adrian Veidt is the goddamn savoir of Humanity.

True, if he'd had any honor as a man he would have died in Times Square along with the thousands he killed, but there's no denying he averted nuclear Armageddon.

I have to admit that Kevin Spacey's Lex Luther was tough to swallow. He played it so well and you really got to see his psychotic side which Gene Hackman never really gave life to. Hackman was a good humor kinda guy to watch go against Superman, Spacey just was unpredictable and that made him even more evil than Hackman. I didn't mind Superman returns for that reason. Spacey was awesome in it.