Its hard to say if we will use or need it as much now as in the past.We manly use it to hide the fact that we had no real (wr) to scare the D-fence.But now it looks as if we do,I want to say no we dont us it as much that we us it as more to throw the D-fence off its game. But with Marshall it will open up more opp in the wildcat formation now teams will def have to think about pass and run and not just the running part. Just my 2cents. What so you think?

Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:52 pm

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Oh God...

How about we just shelve the Wildcat. We won't need it anymore.

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Well, somebody was going to think of it eventually...

How does he get involved in the WildCat? With his strength, blocking and run after the catch ability, you got to think he will be involved somehow.

I see you beat me to it I just posted the same ? I see I need to be a little faster on the trigger lol

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I can see him in the QB Counter with Marshall running down the field and the speed sweep as he can break a tackle or two and be gone.

We always talk about how Dan Henning is an idiot and doesn't know how to utilize this and that...but he is creative. I think he gets the man involved in some capacity.

Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:07 pm

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I disagree with shelving the wildcat... didn't we average something like 8 ypc with Ronnie running it? Why can something that effective?

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The Hen wrote:

I can see him in the QB Counter with Marshall running down the field and the speed sweep as he can break a tackle or two and be gone.

Coach Henning will get him in there some how, I would think.

Good work on the playbook

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Rich wrote:

Oh God...

How about we just shelve the Wildcat. We won't need it anymore.

You had me going for a second there.

Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:44 pm

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IamPZ wrote:

I disagree with shelving the wildcat... didn't we average something like 8 ypc with Ronnie running it? Why can something that effective?

No we didn't average 8 ypc running the Wildcat...

And once teams started crashing their corners, the Wildcat became ineffective. See the New Orleans game.

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Rich wrote:

Oh God...

How about we just shelve the Wildcat. We won't need it anymore.

+1

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Rich wrote:

IamPZ wrote:

I disagree with shelving the wildcat... didn't we average something like 8 ypc with Ronnie running it? Why can something that effective?

No we didn't average 8 ypc running the Wildcat...

And once teams started crashing their corners, the Wildcat became ineffective. See the New Orleans game.

I'd imagine that with an entire off season to adjust, you'd be able to compensate.

Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:48 pm

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I think the wildcat was developed because we didn't have a true WR1.

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Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:57 pm

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TennFinFan13 wrote:

I think the wildcat was developed because we didn't have a true WR1.

That doesn't mean you have to get rid of it. It was developed for lack of WR talent, but also to get both the top 5 picks at RB on the field at the same time.

Most innovations come out of necessity. This was no different, but if it works, there's no need to be ashamed of it and utilize it.

I don't think Marshall makes the Wildcat any better...if you're going to throw out of it, it's a surprise factor, so anybody can get open if the defense isn't ready for it.

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Re: Brandon Marshall in the WildCat

Wildwhat???

How about some good old-fashioned play action passing to a guy that can go up and get the ball....and get yards after the catch. I suspect that the acquisition of Marshall will give us dividends in the run game....a lot less 8 in the box next year.

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Iowafin wrote:

TennFinFan13 wrote:

I think the wildcat was developed because we didn't have a true WR1.

That doesn't mean you have to get rid of it. It was developed for lack of WR talent, but also to get both the top 5 picks at RB on the field at the same time.

Most innovations come out of necessity. This was no different, but if it works, there's no need to be ashamed of it and utilize it.

I don't think Marshall makes the Wildcat any better...if you're going to throw out of it, it's a surprise factor, so anybody can get open if the defense isn't ready for it.

I didn't say get rid of it. I didn't say be ashamed of it. I didn't say don't utilize it. Shula switched from a run-oriented offense under Czonka, Kick, Morris to a pass oriented offense under Marino, so I certainly didn't say not to use your available talent. I was simply pointing out that it was delveoped because we didn't have a true #1WR.

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TennFinFan13 wrote:

Iowafin wrote:

TennFinFan13 wrote:

I think the wildcat was developed because we didn't have a true WR1.

That doesn't mean you have to get rid of it. It was developed for lack of WR talent, but also to get both the top 5 picks at RB on the field at the same time.

Most innovations come out of necessity. This was no different, but if it works, there's no need to be ashamed of it and utilize it.

I don't think Marshall makes the Wildcat any better...if you're going to throw out of it, it's a surprise factor, so anybody can get open if the defense isn't ready for it.

I didn't say get rid of it. I didn't say be ashamed of it. I didn't say don't utilize it. Shula switched from a run-oriented offense under Czonka, Kick, Morris to a pass oriented offense under Marino, so I certainly didn't say not to use your available talent. I was simply pointing out that it was delveoped because we didn't have a true #1WR.

Oh I know, I didn't mean to imply you were saying that. I was just going off what you said to make another point.

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Re: Brandon Marshall in the WildCat

I think we finally ahve a QB and a #1 reciever and we don't need the wildcat. SKin it and make some boots.

Wed Apr 14, 2010 8:51 pm

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Makchell wrote:

I think we finally ahve a QB and a #1 reciever and we don't need the wildcat. SKin it and make some boots.

Just because you bought a new sports car doesn't mean you have to stop using the fuel efficient compact car.

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Iowafin wrote:

Makchell wrote:

I think we finally ahve a QB and a #1 reciever and we don't need the wildcat. SKin it and make some boots.

Just because you bought a new sports car doesn't mean you have to stop using the fuel efficient compact car.

Exactly... everyone wants to "shelf" the one thing that helped make this team as successful as its been the past 2 years...

Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:18 pm

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i think we will still use it, just not nearly as much...and when we are in a jam passing and running the ball you might see it.

Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:21 pm

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rhoads30 wrote:

i think we will still use it, just not nearly as much...and when we are in a jam passing and running the ball you might see it.

It will still be used as goaline plays, and you'll see trick plays out of it between the 40's.

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the shotgun formation was a "gimmick" play, and i don't see any team shelving it any time soon.

i actually think that the wildcat (single wing) offense has been around before the shotgun, so for those who all say to get back to old fashioned football............

Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:40 pm

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Re: Brandon Marshall in the WildCat

Why would you want to get our new $10-Million-Dollar-Man busted up running & blocking for a few yards & risk injury .... when he should be running wild in opponents backfields stealing everyone's candy!! I waited 10-20 years for a stud WR & you want to bust him up. Hell, just buy him a motorcycle why don't cha!!

Except for a couple WildCat passes to him ... put him on the bench for the WildCat & put the TEs in ... or the splinter pickers from Ohio State!!

Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:57 pm

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Phins Rock wrote:

I agree Hen.

We always talk about how Dan Henning is an idiot and doesn't know how to utilize this and that...but he is creative. I think he gets the man involved in some capacity.

If by creative you mean the wildcat, I think you give him too much credit. David Lee brought it over with him from Arkansas. I hate Henning, the minute I see Marshall running any curls, comebacks, hooks or digs I will take out an add in all the Miami area papers petitioning to fire his butt.

Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:14 pm

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I hate Henning, the minute I see Marshall running any curls, comebacks, hooks or digs I will take out an add in all the Miami area papers petitioning to fire his butt.

So he's only allowed to run posts, flags, drags, slants, go's and screens? Makes sense...that way you limit his options, and the defense can better prepare for it.

In case you didn't know, getting the ball into your playmakers hands as quickly as possible is how you beat teams.

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I disagree with shelving the wildcat... didn't we average something like 8 ypc with Ronnie running it? Why can something that effective?

I'm with you, PZ. I like the Wild Cat. My guess is that Parcells isn't done with it yet and we may see him draft another player this year that can improve it.

The biggest reason I tired of the Wildcat was the fact it makes it tough for Henne to get in a good rhythm. He moves the team down the field, gets a hot hand and then we throw in WC package and he is taken out of the play. I am also surprised a defender hasn't just knocked him on his @$$ at the line of scrimmage.

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The biggest reason I tired of the Wildcat was the fact it makes it tough for Henne to get in a good rhythm. He moves the team down the field, gets a hot hand and then we throw in WC package and he is taken out of the play. I am also surprised a defender hasn't just knocked him on his @$$ at the line of scrimmage.

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Rich wrote:

Dolfanrar wrote:

The biggest reason I tired of the Wildcat was the fact it makes it tough for Henne to get in a good rhythm. He moves the team down the field, gets a hot hand and then we throw in WC package and he is taken out of the play. I am also surprised a defender hasn't just knocked him on his @$$ at the line of scrimmage.

While I like the Wild Cat, I think this is a problem. Still, I hear it all the time, but my thoughts are a quarterback does not throw the ball every play. If he steps out of the offense for a couple of plays, does it really throw off his rhythm? I am not so sure. I do know that it can throw off the offense's rhythm if it is put in at the wrong time. The whole offense changes when the Wild Cat comes in and out. Maybe this does affect the QB. I'd have to see more in depth stats on this and that isn't going to happen.

If was a coach, I'd tell my DB to knock the QB on his rear end. This isn't a gentleman's game. It is the consequences of keeping your QB on the field. Everyone is fair game.

The biggest reason I tired of the Wildcat was the fact it makes it tough for Henne to get in a good rhythm. He moves the team down the field, gets a hot hand and then we throw in WC package and he is taken out of the play. I am also surprised a defender hasn't just knocked him on his @$$ at the line of scrimmage.

While I like the Wild Cat, I think this is a problem. Still, I hear it all the time, but my thoughts are a quarterback does not throw the ball every play. If he steps out of the offense for a couple of plays, does it really throw off his rhythm? I am not so sure. I do know that it can throw off the offense's rhythm if it is put in at the wrong time. The whole offense changes when the Wild Cat comes in and out. Maybe this does affect the QB. I'd have to see more in depth stats on this and that isn't going to happen.

If was a coach, I'd tell my DB to knock the QB on his rear end. This isn't a gentleman's game. It is the consequences of keeping your QB on the field. Everyone is fair game.

After the beating the Jets took last year I could see Ryan putting in an extra linebacker to take a cheap shot at Henne.

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After the beating the Jets took last year I could see Ryan putting in an extra linebacker to take a cheap shot at Henne.

I was thinking Ryan as well. I guess a linebacker would be a cheap shot, but he all ready has aggressive players in his secondary that could do the job easily.

The biggest reason I tired of the Wildcat was the fact it makes it tough for Henne to get in a good rhythm. He moves the team down the field, gets a hot hand and then we throw in WC package and he is taken out of the play. I am also surprised a defender hasn't just knocked him on his @$$ at the line of scrimmage.

Exactly. That's why I got tired of it too. Every time that Henne would get a rhythm going, they would yank him and bring in White or use the RBs in the Wildcat. It killed his rhythm and made it that much tougher on a first year starter.

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Lokki wrote:

Dolfanrar wrote:

The biggest reason I tired of the Wildcat was the fact it makes it tough for Henne to get in a good rhythm. He moves the team down the field, gets a hot hand and then we throw in WC package and he is taken out of the play. I am also surprised a defender hasn't just knocked him on his @$$ at the line of scrimmage.

Exactly. That's why I got tired of it too. Every time that Henne would get a rhythm going, they would yank him and bring in White or use the RBs in the Wildcat. It killed his rhythm and made it that much tougher on a first year starter.

I agree with this too actually... although I do love the wildcat... the time to get it going is not in the middle of a hot streak run by Henne... thats foolish... only time we should see it in a situation like that is on the goal line.