I can't stand people. Some get possessive about weird little things, some can't be honest about how they are feeling, and some are totally fake (and dishonest in that).

This is why I also like dogs. At least with a dog you know where you stand and there isn't an BS...

I can only please one person per day. Today is not your day, tomorrow doesn't look good either.
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"You didn't know of the magical powers of the break stick? It's up there with genies and Harry Potter as far as magic levels go." SisMorphine 01/07/07

You know from reading here for a while now I get the distinct impression that most of us here are not really "people people"...if you can follow me...I wonder what would happen if we all had to meet up and spend a week together

To answer the original question my conclusion is that these 'botherers' either truly believe they are helping you see the error of your ways or they really ,really have nothing better to do

Mike have you not considered that ALL animals on this planet tend to act better towards each other than us mere humans do...they don't do willful neglect..they don't murder...they don't abuse....they don't do revenge...they don't do spite...they don't do hatred of other species...

Look at fighting dogs who are rescued...a lot of times they can be rehabbed and are usually SO loving of people. Now imagine if a person were abused like that...they would not be so forgiving. To me, that shows how amazing animals are.

On March 20 2008, KJS wrote:Mike have you not considered that ALL animals on this planet tend to act better towards each other than us mere humans do...they don't do willful neglect..they don't murder...they don't abuse....they don't do revenge...they don't do spite...they don't do hatred of other species...

who exactly is lower on that type of scale?

Interesting, actually they do ALL those things, perhaps not with spite or hatred but they ARE, at times, "evil" to each other within their species/breeds and definitely towards others outside their species/breed.
Many are cannibalistic, is that not murder? Look at chickens some time, or orcas, (just off the top of my head).

On March 20 2008, 12:49 PM, KJS wrote:Mike have you not considered that ALL animals on this planet tend to act better towards each other than us mere humans do...they don't do willful neglect..they don't murder...they don't abuse....they don't do revenge...they don't do spite...they don't do hatred of other species...

who exactly is lower on that type of scale?

Surely you are not serious in that message are you?

Acting better towards one another does not equate to who is higher on the food chain that God has created.

Dogs are not humans they are a creation lower than us humans so maybe I am missing your point?

I know I shouldn't let this bother me and I have kept quiet until now. But I feel your statement is something that is yes, just your statement, but to post it on this forum knowing how everyone feels about their dogs is just an attempt to get something started. Push people's buttons, spark a debate or whatever you would like to call it.
I love this board and I love the information I am receiving. I know it is a public forum to say what you feel. But I didn't feel that is an appropriate comment on a dog forum. I don't want to get into a debate, just wanted to post my opinion like you did.

On March 20 2008, 12:39 PM, KJS wrote:You know from reading here for a while now I get the distinct impression that most of us here are not really "people people"...if you can follow me...I wonder what would happen if we all had to meet up and spend a week together

To answer the original question my conclusion is that these 'botherers' either truly believe they are helping you see the error of your ways or they really ,really have nothing better to do

I'd be shanking people left & right.

Mike, keep it to yourself.

There's a fine line between genius and insanity. I have erased this line.

No I think you are "humanizing" the animal behavior by using your versions of feelings to equate to it which is just not possible to do...tempting to do I am sure but there are and can not be any correlation between the two...since Mike has claimed already that we are the "higher"and "evolved" species here..you can not make linear assumptions between the animal world and ours ...cannibalism in animals is not murder because they don't have a justice system to have to call it such...its just behavior...as for "evil" towards each other I think not....what you consider evil is just a series of actions and reactions..remember the concept of evil is unknown to an animal..they do not know of God and the devil...they have no concept of fair and unfair...

as for the lions...they are bigger and so need more calories so more food...the babies are smaller and do not expend as much energy hunting or killing or protecting a pack from predators...it may look as if they don't get much of a kill but they get enough..if they didn't they would die and that's not natures way to continue the lineage now is it?..also to be mentioned is the fact that keeping them a little lean and hungry is a good way to encourage them to begin to make their own kills...you see?