I welcome articles, BIO's, stories, etc and certainly
hope that all ASA Turkey Vet's will contribute and make the
newsletter worthwhile. You can write whatever message you would
like, and it will show up right here for you to share with the
ASA Turkey group! I will respond to all e-mails and will assist
whenever needed, but reserve the right to edit for content and
clarity and welcome any errors that may appear herein. Thank you,
Elder RC Green, aka gH (ercgreen@yourinter.net)

NOTICE

The DAYS OF OUR LIVES newsletter
is now posted on Bill Simons SINOP website at http://dool-1.tripod.com
If anyone wants to be deleted from the weekly transmittal to your
in-box, please send e-mail to your relayer with Cc to me
(ercgreen@yourinter.net) so that a smooth transition can be
accomplished.
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TAPS

I received word that Clifford L.
"Biff" Charron, the first Command Sergeant Major of ASA
died in September 2002. I've been told the Army has scheduled
burial at Arlington for 12 November, but could be held on 24
October. Biff's wife, Claire, died in August 1999. We were
friends of the Charron's at Bad Aibling in the early 60's when
Biff was the Operations Sergeant and Fred Fortune was the Sgt
Major there.

In May 1969 the
Non-Commissioned Officers of the US Army Security Agency
dedicated a memorial to those members of the command who had lost
their lives in combat. On the front, under the seal of the Army
Security Agency, are the words "In memory of USASA Soldiers
Who Have Made The Supreme Sacrifice" Inscribed on the sides
of the memorial are the names of those killed in actionand
the date.A key player in bringing this memorial to
fruition was CSM Clifford L. Charron, first ASA CSM. We wish to
acknowlege his efforts in seeing that these men were remembered
in this memorial.The memorial remained at Arlington Hall
Station until the US Army Intelligence and Security Command
relocated to Ft. Belvoir, VA. It was then moved to Ft. Belvoir
and rededicated by the Non-Commissioned Officers of INSCOM.

CSM Clifford L. Charron, (Biff), a
soldier's soldier, served in combat in the European Theater with
the 66th Infantry Division and the 4th Armored Division from 1943
to 1945. Following several stateside assignments, he was assigned
to the 24th Infantry Division in Japan in June 1949. He served
with the division in combat in Korea until he was transferred to
the Joint Military Advisory Group, Japan in September 1950. He
served there until the end of the Korean War. He later switched
from combat arms to military intelligence, where he served in a
variety of key intelligence assignments in Europe and the United
States. His concern for the morale and esprit de corps of his
soldiers was manifested in his involvement in two major projects
that still endure today. Sergeant Major Charron was instrumental
in the founding of the Army Security Agency (ASA) Benefit
Association, which provides funds to families of ASA members
killed in the line of duty and education benefits to their
survivors. He was also a key figure in the planning, design, and
construction of the permanent memorial honoring ASA
noncommissioned officers killed in action; it is located at the
U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command Headquarters at Fort
Belvoir, Virginia. He concluded his career as the first Command
Sergeant Major of the U.S. Army Security Agency.

ANDRESS, Chris, SP5 05H Det 4-4, 70-71 [I don't have
the DOB or DOD, but Greg Kearney promised to send the details
soon. [edited] Greg Kearney,
Chuck Carpenter, Rod Isler and Paula Andress and about 40 Family
members and friends attended the memorial service for Chris
Andress at the Old Chapel on the grounds of Fort Myer, VA on
September 3, 2002. Internment followed in the
"Columbarium" at Arlington National Cemetery. . The
National Park Service also had about 30 people in attendance and
they co-ordinated the reception that followed. The Chris Andress
Family added this thought: "Throughout Chris' career and our
time together living and working in beautiful and interesting
places, the NPS family has always been the most important
resource. Our family extends its deepest gratitude for the
support and love which has helped to sustain us through the past
months. We appreciated spending time with family and friends in
Washington D.C. when we honored Chris and celebrated his
life." For those who knew Chris at
Karamursel, they know that Chris was one of the guys you really
enjoyed knowing. Chris's death was rather sudden and reminds us
all again of how fragile our existence really is and we should
savor our family and friends because we really don't know how
long we will be able to enjoy them. Paula can be reached at mfba33@aol.com for
those who would like to send comforting words to her during this
time of grieving- - -gHCASSELBERRY, Walter F E5 Det 27, 65-66, born: 28 June
1944 died: 15 August 1997 at Lewisburg, Union County, PA DONSTON, Alan, E6 Det 4, 72-73, DOB 13 February 1935
DOD 5 September 1998, widow Marilyn lives in Fitchburg, MA. Al
entered the following on Vern's website just before he passed
away: Great page and you sure can find a lot of lost friends.
Seems like a long time ago and we still have ASA meetings in
Ayer, MA every other Wed., 11:30 for lunch and BS. Great times by
all whether they are ASA or INSCOMERS but most of the time the
Inscom people think we are lying when we tell them about burning
out the SGM in Sinop for ------g with the troops. What Fire.

JOHNSON,Pat
Hubern, Det 4, 61-62 SFC (Ret)
Pat Hubern Johnson, age 66, of Ward Arkansas passed away March
13, 2002 of a heart attack. Pat was born on January 19, 1936 and
served 22 years in the Army. His ASA assignments included
Sinop (61-62), Augsburg (71-72) and Shemya (72-73). Hi is
survived by his wife of 42 years, Amelia Rosas Johnson, a
daughter Dana Johnson of San Antonio, a son Pat Johnson II and
his wife Sherry, and three grand children.
LEONARD, Paul, 058 Det 27 @63,
DOB: 17 February 1941, DOD: August 1984, SSN 009-28-2249 iss VT
per information from Gary Winch

MILITARY FUNERAL HONORS Military
funeral honors is a statutory benefit for all veteran's who
served at least one term of enlistment and separated under
conditions other than dishonorable. The family of an eligible
veteran can expect TAPS, FLAG FOLDING and FLAG PRESENTATION at
the funeral. Please store the following Military Funeral Honor
details away whenever the fateful day arrives for any veteran:
www.militaryfuneralhonors.osd.mil or call 1-877-645-4667
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ATTACHMENTS

I recently
purchased the ASA RVN patch attachment in the lobby of the PX at
Fort Carson, CO. The ASA Det patches attachment hangs in my DOOL
office. The background board was originally part of a plaque that
had a Turkish hatchet thereon that I received when I departed 4-4
in October 1968. I believe that 1SG Wilbur Rodkey had it made and
given out at a going away party. Does anyone else have one of
these? I transferred the hatchet to a larger board in our family
room. Roger Glubka (Det 27, 64-65) had 100 each of the Det 27 and
4-4 patches made in South Korea. The workmanship on the patches
is excellent and the size is 4". The cost per patch is $5.
To order a patch or patches, send SASE with your address thereon
and a check to Elder RC Green, 3094 Warren Rd., Indiana, PA 15701

The Shankville1 attachment
is Patty Green at the temporary Flight 93 memorial at
Shanksville, PA.

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The Shankville3 attachment is gH and the rest is self
explanatory.
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e-mail CHANGES
Please update your records to reflect the following change of my
e-mail address... wjcooksr@charter.net. Thanks and keep up the
fine work. W.J. (Bill) Cook, Sr. Det 27 1962-64 New e-mail
address for Roy & Mary Norman, mlnorman@txcyber.com. After 25
October we will no longer receive e-mail through the prodigy.net
address. Mary Norman *****************************************************************************************
THE MANZARALI MAULER

PERLOWSKI, James L., 71Q, PFC, Det 27, 64-65,
(Charlene-div), 6333 Copperfield Ave., Las Vegas, NV 89108,
702-646-7142, jamesp@accessnv.com - Mauler editor in 65 - Elder, As I promised you, I have
found the following issues of the "Mauler". I had
stashed away years ago. These are the only copies known to
survive.
Please, please treat them very carefully and return them as soon
as you are finished copying them. My best to you and yours. Sorry
I couldn't make the reunion - maybe the next one. I will send the
copies either FEDEX or UPS. Thanks for being so patient. Your
friend, Jim Perlowski

Please don't let accumulated
photo's and other TURKEY related order's, etc deteriorate in
albums or shoe boxes. Send them to me and I'll scan them and
later include in the DOOL and the Memory Book to ensure that your
treasures will survive and be enjoyed for the next 20 years or so
by us 'old' ex-ASA Turkey birds. I will scan the 9 Manzarali
Maulers that Jim Perlowski is sending and include the worthwhile
items in the DOOL and the Memory Book. After scanning I will
return the fragile papers per his request. It took Jim about two
months to find them in his storage area. I try my darnest to keep
track and paste entries as I get them, but sometimes get
side-tracked and data is missed, especially the items for the
Memory Book. I have a bad habit of shoving sheets of notes into a
pile on my desk, while I promise myself that I'll tend to
entering the data into the DOOL or the Memory Book. Later, but
real soon, the pile gets too big and it is obscurred by all the
other paper items that seem to be magnetically drawn to my desk.
Then to make matters worse, I get busy or get visitors. My desk
is a disaster. I grab the paper pile and shove it out of sight
and tell myself that I'll remember them and that I'll sort them
out 'real soon' once the visitors are gone. The headache begins
when I look for the piles. They are AWOL because either I or
Patty mistakeningly moved the piles..... I should know better,
but in my old age I find that putting things off just causes
complications. I sometimes forget to transfer data from the DOOL
to the Memory Book file and that too causes headaches. Better to
put everything in its place and transfer right away and not have
to go looking for the AWOL's! Now, you know some of my problems.
When I first started with the FOCK Rock series, I just roamed
around with little or no particular plan and did not think that
it would grow in leaps and bounds. In fact the plan was to enter
the Memory Book data onto a Floppy disk! It was frustrating too!
I felt like I hadn't made any progress at all and when my morale
is down I don't have as much motivation. Now, the 2002 Memory
Book is over 400 pages and growing. The cut-off date for those
who haven't sent a BIO or photo's is 15 November 2002!!
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FINDING YOUR ANCESTORS

If your ancestors came
through the Port of New York and Ellis Island between 1892-1924
you can find them online at size=2>www.ellisisland.org. Over 40 percent of Americans have
ancestral records in the Ellis Island Data base located at the
American Family Immigration History Center(tm) at Ellis Island.
Give the website a visit and let us know if you found an
ancestor!
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NEWLY FOUND VETERANs

Elder, I believe I have found
another ASA Veteran who was in Samsun 56-57 time frame his name
is Lee J. Knust and lives in Lowell, MA his e-mail is <mailto:LeeAnn2626@aol.com>LeeAnn2626@aol.com. I'll keep looking:

BIRNBAUM, Robert (SJ) DOB 16JA47 E3-E5 98C2HU1 Det
4-4, 23FE70-22AU71, (Linda), 4142 57th St NW Rochester, MN 55901,
507-281-8237, peartree47@charter.net. - Dear Elder, Amazing! I got a call yesterday from
Ernie Claudel who I had not talked to for a couple of years. We
had kept in touch on and off since Turkey but not as much
recently. Ernie told me about his contact with you and sent me
the link to the DOOL web site. I have been skimming a few of the
newsletters and it's incredible. I was at KAS/KCDI, Det 4-4, from Feb 70-Aug
71. I have kept in touch with a number of the people I met there
and they are now the people I have known longer than anyone else
aside from family. In fact, one
of the main reasons I live in Minnesota is because of all the
Minnesotans I met at Karamursel. Right now I am a little at a
loss for words but I would like to be on your mailing list or the
list to get the newsletters and other info about ASA-Turkey Vets
and my ASA Tour of Duty is as follows:Robert Birnbaum,
DOB: 1/16/47 (Most who knew me might remember me as SJ)Spouse:
Linda4142 57th St NW., Rochester,
MN 55901, 507-281-8237,
E-mail: peartree47@charter.netIn Turkey: Feb 23, 1970-Aug
22, 1971, Det 4-4.Rank: SP4 (promoted to SP5, Aug 71.)Service
Dates: April 7,1969 - April 24, 1972MOS: 98C2HU1
(Radio Traffic and Radio Teletype Analyst)Most of the time
I was there Maj. Norman Frickey was the CO and Lt. Bob
"Basketball Bob" Frank was the XO. A group of us from
Det 4-4, mostly from the Midwest, used to get together for
reunions but we haven't done that in years. Turkey was a
wonderful experience and one of my goals in life is to get back
there someday. That probably won't happen until my kids are done
with college. After Karamursel, I went to Ft. Devens and was an
instructor until my discharge in April 72. My next career move
was to teaching kids with learning disabilities and in 1978 gave
that up and went to law school. I practiced law for 15 years in
Minnesota, Wisonsin and New York. In 1998 I was appointed to the
District Court bench here in Rochester and was elected to a 6
year term in 2000. I would certainly love to hear from people I
haven't seen or heard from in years and attend one of the
reunions you've been organizing. I look forward to hearing from
you. Bob Birnbaum [WOW - I wish that other NEWLY FOUND VET's
would send me info like Bob Birnbaum did. It makes my job much
easier and at the same time let's others know a little about
'old' lost friends.

BOWSER, Paul E4 MP Det 4, 68-69,
pastorbowser@ameritech.net - Elder: Please add me to the mailing list. I
was stationed in Sinop in 68-69 and was a Spec. 4 MP. I have
found the site amazing. After all these years I did not know
there was such a thing. Brings back unbelievable memories,
Thanks:Pastor Paul Bowser.

CLAUDEL,
Ernie E3-E5 Det 4-4, 9DE70-31MR72, (Janet),1109 W. Wabash St.,
Olathe, KS 66061, 913-782-5139, <mailto:eclaudel1@comcast.net>eclaudel1@comcast.net. Called Ernie on
20 October 2002. He was drafted into the Army and was the
Personel Sgt at Det 4-4. - RC, Greetings from Kansas. I have been
in contact with Gary Larson and given him your name and email.
The number that I gave you in not a good one at this point. He
will have good information for you. I am unable to find the
Basketball picture I told you about but will contact you soon
with a family picture. Great to know you! EC

DONSTON, Alan, DOB: 13 February
1935 DOD: 5 September 1998, E6, Det 4, 72-73, (Marilyn), 101 St.
Martin St., Fitchburg, MA, 01420, 978-343-3916, aman@ziplink.net
I found Al's entry on Vern website, then found address and called
Marilyn on 24 October 2002. She informed me that Al had passed
away. He retired as a E7 and worked at USASATC&S until Devens
closed. Al's short message to Vern: "Great page and you sure can find a lot of lost
friends. Seems like a long time ago and we still have ASA
meetings in Ayer, MA every other Wed., 11:30 for lunch and BS.
Great times by all whether they are ASA or Inscomers but most of
the time the Inscom people think we are lying when we tell them
about burning out the SGM in Sinop for f-----g with the troops.
What [a] Fire.

EARHART, Roger DOB 6MR50 E4 05K Det 4-4, JA70-72,
(Janita-was at KAS), Rte 1, Box 110A, Eustis, NE 69028,
308-486-4741, no e-mail. Contacted on 20 October 2002. Jan joined
him at KAS in March 1970 and they lived in Yalova. They both
enjoyed their Tour of Duty in Turkey

OLSEN, Ben Oley Det 4 @56, 3879 W. Johnson St., Thatcher,
AZ 85552, 928-428-1929, aufinder@gilavalley.com - Elder, I have located a Det 4 Veteran
from around 1956 era and told him to contact you regarding DOOLS.
His name is Benjamin (Oley) Olsen, e-mail address is
Aufinder@gilavalley.com, Ph (928)428-1929. I will keep looking
for some of the older Veteran's from my time period and keep you
advised. Thanks for all your
effort with the reunion: Jerry Anderson, Det 27 J56-

How many of you remember in
October 1962 (FORTY YEARS AGO) when the USA and USSR came
frighteningly close to all-out war over Soviet missiles being
based in CUBA. How many of you remember the FLASH and CRITIC
messages that were generated during this period? How many of you
remember the US missile units that were deployed in Turkey and
Germany in 1959 that triggered the deployment of Soviet missiles
to Cuba. Also, the Bay of Pigs fiasco took place in 1963. Please
send me your comments and I'll lump them all together into one
newsletter for everyone to enjoy and remember how the COLD WAR
played a roll in our ASA lives.
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LOSES FINGER WHILE PLAYING
BASKETBALL AT SINOP

WAITE, Daryl L E3-E4 Det 66, DE63-JA65, (Hope), 33
N. Washington, Carthage, IL 62321, 217-357-2884, <mailto:k9jpq@hotmail.com>k9jpq@hotmail.com - [edited]
With all the new members of Det 4 coming on line, maybe someone will remember a Sp-5 James B. Puckett who
lost a finger playing basketball at Sinop. I first met Puckett at
the 519th Signal Company Ft. Gordon, GA. I left Ft. Gordon for
Manzarali and Det 66 in mid-Dec 1963. Was at the AFEX in summer
of 1964, when in walks Puckett, on a visit from Sinop. Didn't
learn until recently (from a Det 4 vet) that he had an accident
at Sinop - went for a slam-dunk, and ring caught on the hoop.
Don't recall him missing a finger at the time, so accident must
have happened later in 1964. Can anyone add to this? Daryl
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MOORE,
Jas B O1-O2 9620 Det 4-4, SE69-MR71, Opns O, (Linda), 4208
Evergreen Ln., Suite 235 Annandale, VA 22003, 703-658-2830 &
9118 Santayana Dr., Fairfax, VA 22031, 703-280-2726, <mailto:jbm@jbmoorecpa.com>jbm@jbmoorecpa.com & size=2>lbm@jbmoorecpa.comElder,
Randy Strickland and I are having a hard time placing the date of
the 4-4 NCO picture. . There are several NCO's missing who should
be in it. I think it must be from 1971 (after I left). I will
look for the 1970 picture to see if I am hallucenating. Anyway,
from left to right: Personnel sgt (sorry no name), SSG Walbert
(05H trick chief), Gay, Disney, Frickey, John Clark, no idea,
Adrian Smith (my OPS NCOIC), and of course Stanley Owens. Now
that we are through October 15, I will see what else I might
have. size=2>Later,
Jim
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LADY, Ken E5 058 Det 27, 61-62, (Donna), 1160 Berkeley
St., Santa Monica, CA 90403, 310-828-3139, amongotherthings@adelphia.netElder; Donna and I had great time at the reunion. Bob
Murphy and Roy Norman and I have stayed in touch over the years
and have visited each other. Bob said he was going, he lives in
MD, then Roy in TX said he was going and I thought, let's go. I
met two other guys that I haven't seen for years and we, and the
wives, all got along like Turkey was only yesterday. Thank you for a wonderful time. The
location was good, the Sat. dinner at the track provided plenty
of good food. I know how hard it is to get everyone to make a
commitment and try and get their money. I think you'll find the
reunion crowd growing. You certainly deserved a vacation after
the meeting.Thanks again. Ken Lady
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------RICHTER, Ralph E5 05K Det 27 ,
66-67, (Linda & daughter Lee), 1413 Halfhill Way, Columbus,
OH 43207, 614-497-2047, RicRalph@aol.com
Top - Going to China next week
on business-- 10/24-31. Will bring you and Patty back a prize
from over there...******************************************************************************************************SIMONS,
Bill, E3-E4 058 Det 4, DE59-DE60, billsimons@tuslogdet4.com
[edited] - Hi gH, I was at
Sinop from Dec. 59-Dec. 60 and have no recollection of an ASA
Captain with surname of Elliot or the story of him buying a bear
cub in Samsun and leaving it there. I do find it surprising that
no one else has ever mentioned this Captain Elliott or the
incidents elsewhere on the Sinop site during the five years that
its been on the web. Is it possible that someone remembers this
Capt Elliott. If so, get the info to gH so that we can locate him
and get his version of the storey. Bill****************************************************************************************WINCH,
Gary W E3-E5 982 Det 27, SE62-JN64, (Marian), 105A Askewton Rd.,
Severna Park, MD 21146, gwwinch@worldnet.att.netHi Elder. At long last I'm
enclosing my bio. It was your super effort to sponsor such a
wonderful reunion that spurred me on to finish and send it along.
Thanks, again, for your hard work on behalf of all former ASAers
in Turkey! Cheers/Gary
Gary W. Winch, SP 5, Det 27, 982/TA, 25 Sep 62 - 21 June 64 105A Askewton Road
Severna Park, MD 21146-4603
(410) 647-2870 gwwinch@worldnet.att.net

After leaving my home state of
Vermont, and doing basic at Fort Dix and ASA training at Fort
Devens, I arrived in Turkey, September 1962. For me, Turkey was a
priceless education and a wonderful experience. To this day, my
wife, Marian, and I keep in touch with two special friends
(Elliott Potter and Joe Callahan), and their families, who I met
and worked with at Manzarali Station. Other names that come to
mind from my Turkey days include Ted Midtaune (with whom I've
recently worked on the west coast), Dave Lynch (Ops Officer; Dave
and I became good friends over the years, but, sadly he is now
deceased), Tom Plunkett (I think he worked in the admin area),
Paul Leonard (a ditty chaser, also from Vermont, and now
deceased), Bob Martin (Comms Center), and Jim Tenant (SSgt and a
linguist, I believe). After June of 1964, I returned to the USA,
and finished my degree at the University of Vermont; I did my
graduate work at Johns Hopkins University. In 1967, I started
work at the National Security Agency, here in Maryland. After
many good years with the government, including several overseas
postings, I retired as NSA's Director of Policy in 1999. Having
seen the world, but not our own country, Marian and I then
decided to move to San Francisco where I worked for Lawrence
Livermore National Laboratory until we moved back to Maryland
late 2001. While in San Francisco, by-the-way, I ran into Mike
Fisher, a former work mate and fellow Turkey
"survivor". Marian and I were married in 1965 and we
have two wonderful, married children. We moved back to our home
here in Severna Park, Maryland late last year.
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RICHARD, Gary E6-E7 05K Det 27
& 4-4, 66-NO69, (Carolyn), 12835 Castle Bend St., San
Antonio, TX 78230, 210-492-2574, grichard2@juno.com [edited] gH....you
know it has been 33 years since I left Karamursel. I don't
remember receiving a plaque when I departed 4-4. Our summer was
so-so. My wife and I have volunteered at Rocky Mountain National
Park the past two years (May - Sept) as Campground Host. This
year we had to return home in July because of Carolyn's health.
She needed an operation and received it in August. That's why the
summer was so-so. I remember Buck Quickel, but I don't remember
what our relationship was. Hope you and yours are well and had a
great summer as well. Gary Richard
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GONE ICE FISHING

There is a rumor afloat that one
of our own, namely Gary Jorgensen (ex 058 and Det 27 and 4-4) was
stopped by a fish warden in Northern Minnesota recently with two
buckets of fish leaving a lake well known for its fishing. The
fish warden asked Jorgensen: "Do you have a license to catch
those fish?" Jorgensen replied to the warden: "No, sir.
These are my pet fish."

"Pet fish?" the warden
replied.

"Yes, sir. Every night I take
these fish down to the lake and let them swim around for a while.
I whistle and they jump back into their buckets,and I take 'em
home."

"That's a bunch of hooey!
Fish can't do that!"

Jorgensen looked at the warden for
a moment, and then said: "Here, I'll show you. It really
works."

"O.K. I've GOT to see
this!" the warden replied. Jorgensen poured the fish into
the water and stood and waited. After several minutes, the warden
turned to Jorgensen and said: "Well?"

"Well, what?" the
bearded Jorgensen asked.

"When are you going to call
them back?" the warden prompted.

"Call who back?"
Jorgensen asked.

"The FISH."

"What fish?" .
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