The Peculiar Death Of Bobby..

It would be amazing to know just for half a second what things would be like now if JFK, MLK, RFK were never murdered. Lot's and lot's of heavy
stuff was going down in the 60's, which undoubtedly steered us to what we know as modern life today.

Spot on again as usual ! I have too believed much of what you have written here, especially the shots from behind in an upward direction, powder
burns, security officer directly behind him, but somehow it still happens. Yes it had to be him that did it, but he should have been hung out to dry
for letting the imaginary shooter get passed him. But of course, they were trying to misdirect everyones focus to Sirann from the front, so the last
thing they would want is to highlight a shooter from behind.

I have to agree, the whole thing stinks of MK Ultra style programming, and from what I have gathered regarding the investigations there definitely
seems to be a massive cover up.

Jesse Ventura has shed some light on this, and he even did a very interesting interview with the man who was snapping photographs at the time. The
fact that he had to sue to get his pictures back, and they conveniently were "stolen" on the way to him are laughably ridiculous.

I believe people like Bill Cooper were on to something when he said all of these horrible events that have taken place in the last fifty years have
been orchestrated by a shadowy group of elitists. I believe America has been fighting a war within itself probably since its inception. Hell, even
Andrew Jackson went on the record as stating that the only reason he got into politics was because he was sick of the corruption that was running
rampant in Washington. Makes one wonder....

By the way OP, my condolonces for your brother Bobby. Its good to see JFK is alive and well and living it up in the UK!

Reading about the Kennedys consistently makes me emotional. Being only 22, I'm always disappointed I didn't get to witness such a great era in
history; at the same time, I'm so grateful I wasn't around to witness such a dark era in the same time period.

I feel that if you love the Kennedy family even half as much as I do, we owe it to them to keep these cases on everyone's minds. I'm pretty
pessimistic any effort will make a difference, but after they sacrificed our lives for us (especially Bobby- he obviously knew before JFK was killed
they were targets, he had no obligation to run for president after) the least we can do is shed light on how they were brutally murdered by "TPTB"
(I've never used that acronym before...).

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who gets so worked up over the Kennedys or even cares about how they were killed. Seeing threads like this
give me some hope and actually caused me to log into my account after months of inaction. This was the first thread I've ever read all the way
through and I'm grateful for all the facts presented here that I never even knew before (that I probably should have). Thank you!!

You're probably correct, but I'll wager the idea that changes in race equality bothered many of the 'Old Guard' and anyone pitching to black folk
for equality would be looked on as a danger.

I agree, that's what I meant before. I think someone from a KKK background certainly would've been employed by the FBI - assuming the FBI is
responsible in the first place of course - simply because they have a very strong motive against Bobby due to his work on civil rights. A hell of a
lot of people hated Bobby over this issue after all. But the point is the original ones recruiting him, imo, would only do so because of Bobby's push
for the presidency. It was too dangerous for them. Not civil rights like some might suspect. I'd imagine that was a mere distraction technique.

But who was the girl in the Polka-Dot dress?

Unfortunately no one, to this day, can say for sure. A women called Kathy Ainsworth seems to be the leading suspect though. I discussed her in the
Opening post, particularly how she died in an FBI shootout a mere 3 weeks after Bobby was shot.

Reading about the Kennedys consistently makes me emotional. Being only 22, I'm always disappointed I didn't get to witness such a great era in
history; at the same time, I'm so grateful I wasn't around to witness such a dark era in the same time period.

Don't worry, I'm not much younger myself so I wasn't around for when it happened either. Hell, I'm not even American, I'm English.

But I can relate to what you're saying there. It's really odd when you think about it but yeah, It really would've been good to be around when it
actually happened yet at the same time It would've been a horrible thing to live through. If I had to choose though, and strictly from a research
point of view, I would without a doubt choose being around at the time it happened.

I'm pretty pessimistic any effort will make a difference

Again, I find myself agreeing.. Not wholly though of course. I mean I really do think It's important to know what actually happened, hell, a leader
was literally stolen from his people. We should get to know what really happened there. Yet at the same time putting anyone to justice for the crime
is just unrealistic and if that's what anyone's still trying to do then quite frankly It's a huge waste of time. This case first started almost 50
years ago now, we're way past finding someone and putting them in jail or anything like that.

But like I said, I think people deserve to know what really went on. And actually finding a name responsible is still pretty important really. That's
my personal motivation for looking into the case anyway - I feel we deserve to know even if it won't make any real difference to our way of life
today. I imagine in 30 to 40 or so years from now people will still be asking questions surrounding 9/11 also.

Ok, I have spent the better part of today looking into the ballistics of this case. In all actuality I was looking for an official report on the
markings of the bullets from the 2 different guns but I've not been able to stumble across that just yet. But some of the things I've been able to
find are equally as interesting like this essay done by John Hunt that questions the official findings of the investigation as it relates to the
bullets and wounds.

"Did Sirhan fire the bullet which actually killed Robert Kennedy?" has never been fully investigated. Nor has the import of ballistic and
medical evidence been litigated, not even at Sirhan's trial during which his legal team arbitrarily stipulated both to the integrity of the physical
evidence and the prosecution's version which has Sirhan as the sole assassin.

Today, however, we can move past those tantalizing possibilities to what I believe amounts to proof of conspiracy; a round fired from Sirhan's
gun could not have caused the wound that actually killed RFK—the headshot. As inconceivable as it sounds thirty-eight years after the fact, the
"proof" comes straight from RFK's autopsy report.

The link below is to the complete essay that is too packed with pertinent information for me to present in this posting.

Also in my trips and travels around the interwebs I ran across a rather interesting YouTube series of videos done by "Discovery Times"... I'm only
posting one at the moment as it pertains to the testing done on the gun. But you will notice that due to a 'clerical error' on the part of the
tester, the wrong serial number is listed and is NOT the serial number of Sirhan's actual gun. How this was used as evidence is just beyond me...
yet here it is spelled out for all to see. The part about the serial number starts at around 4:46.

Here is an article that backs up the above youtube video:

Subsequent research has uncovered problems with the marking of evidence bullets, including bullet #47, which should have a "TN31" etched in its
base but instead says "DWTN." There is circumstantial evidence for a switch of crime scene bullets and even of the Sirhan gun with a test gun. LAPD
criminologist DeWayne Wolfer had in fact introduced into evidence at Sirhan's trial the test gun, and represented it as the murder weapon, despite
the different serial numbers.

This is a very interesting read above and beyond the ballistics information it provides, however on the topic of ballistics it provides this little
gem that I had never ever heard before:

It is worth noting that the 1975 panel discovered that two bullets allegedly removed from Sirhan's car
contained traces of wood on both the base and the tip. Were these bullets dug out of the door frame?

Now, if the bullets found in Sirhan's car showed traces of wood on them, and Sirhan himself was detained almost immediately in the pantry of the
hotel after the shooting...how in the world were they found in his car? Did they teleport there.... or were they planted... interesting.

The more I dig into this the more questions I have. I will continue to dig and report anything of any note on this thread.

The sad thing is, Sirhan continues to rot away in a prison cell, the system being much happier to blame an innocent man rather than admit their own
mistakes; though such a thing would of course point to the power structure as being responsible for Bobby's death.

There is an EXCELLENT documentary regarding both assasinations that are pulled directly from "forgotten" footage and interviews pulled from the
Library of Congress.

Evidence of Revision , which you can see for free on google videos, is long. But worth it.

In it , it details with astounding presicion the Lyndon B. Johnson -with the help of the CIA - black mailed JFK into giving him the vice presidency
and then killed him because he WAS infact about to dismantle the Fed and make corporations more responsible by ridding the country of wind fall taxes.

Lyndon B. Johnson had a string of corruption from the get go , and essentially owned Texas. In this documentary there is a young Deputy - at the time
- who recounted first hand of the strange directions they were giving as plain clothes officers. Essentially to not do anything if something happend.
That young deputy was fired and multiple attempts (gun shots in public, his car blew up) died and untimely death.

But back to Bobby,

I wish I new how to work this site yet, but there is footage in which bobby whispers to LBJ - why'd you kill my brother. LBJ's look of shock and
"gotcha" expression is priceless. Within the footage, there are interviews - particulary of one woman - who stated to the police that she had
witnessed a man and a woman in a polka dotted dress run down the stairs jubilant after the assasination. At the time the witness was in the stairwell
and did not know anything had happened. The lady in the dress screamed "we did it" ! The witness inquired "did what?" The lady said "killed Kennedy"
.

She gave this info to police and was called into questioning. She noted that a well dressed man came in - who did not seem to be a police officer -
and started to question her. What you will hear is audio-and see transcripts- of this man essentially telling her that she did not see or hear what
she thought, and that she was "hurting people" buy not admitting she is lying, or maybe , admit to herself that she did not see what she "thought" she
did.

Its a startling first hand view of CIA confusion techniques.

Mk Ultra is noted to be possibly a major player. The "killer" was noted to look "dazed and confused" at the scene with no memory of what happend
afterwards. He had also mentioned the "women in the polka dot dress".

In any regard, all Kennedy enthusiasts, history buffs, or conspiracy theorists should watch this. It is excellent

RA, you have provided the most in-depth and thorough threads on the JFK and now RFK assassinations I have come across. Thank you for the hard work, I
enjoy these greatly and have come across some things which I never previously encountered on these subjects.

I've often wondered if Sirhan might have actually had his pistol out to protect RFK. A bit far-fetched, yes, but bear with me. I've considered the
idea that SS somehow knew RFK was going to be assassinated; perhaps through info passed from polka-dot dress (whom I admittedly did not know about
until now). Perhaps he tried to take out the killer but failed?

Admittedly, the theory needs more fleshing out, it's more of an idea and the info I got from this thread seems to point away from that.

I remember reading that VP Johnson absolutely despised JFK especially because of the Bay of Pigs fiasco.
Apparently JFK ordered the cuban-americans who were secretly training for the invasion of Cuba with CIA funding to be disbanded. He had decided he did
not want this invasion to take place. The cuban-american terrorists in training refused to leave their training compounds. George Bush Senior was also
involved in this.

VP Johnson disobeyed President Kennedy's order to disband and ordered the invasion anyways.
This put President Kennedy in a very difficult position as far as sending in the Air force back up.
Kennedy decided to not send in the back up for the invasion because he had explicitly given orders that it was not to happen in the first place. The
invaders as a result ended up being killed and captured.

I say this because Mrs Johnson has stated that the night before JFK's assasination there was apparently a meeting that included Vice President
Johnson, Richard Nixon, George Bush Senior, various nefarious cuban-americans and Dave Hunt, a known hitman. When Johnson came out of that meeting he
said to his wife
"after tommorrow I will never have to deal with that SOB (Kennedy) again. The next day he was assasinated.After Kennedy was shot Johnson phoned his
wife and said (they got the SOB, good).

I do believe for more reasons than I can put here (too tired right now) that Johnson and George Bush Senior were involved in the planning of it,
possibly Nixen as well. I also believe that Johnson and Bush and possible Nixen as well as other nefarious individuals CIA were probably involved in
the murder of Robert Kennedy as well. They hated him as much if not more that they did JFK.

As far as Sirhan Sirhan I have no doubt he was programmed. Programmed people often seem to suffer head injuries somewhere along the way. What is scary
too is that MK ULtra style programming is still going on today only it is more advanced than it was then. Anyone today can be programmed to kill and
have no recollection of it.I wouldn't doubt that Robert highly suspected or outright new that Johnson was responsible for his brother's death as
well as I believe a younger George Bush Senior as well as others. He wanted Johnson out and was willing to risk his own life for it. The Sirhan's of
the world need to be understood.

I'm old enough to remember both JFK and RFK assassinations. Much later I became aware of how both brothers worked hard to check the mob, curb
Vietnam, Bay of Pigs, etc. Both Jack and Robert learned from Eisenhower about the Industrial Military Complex, etc.

After I learned all that they had done to fight greed and corruption together I understood why they were killed. 5 years apart. 5_ years_ apart.
Despite all the questions concerning how they died and who was responsible, the biggest proof in my mind that TPTB were ultimately responsible is that
after Jack died, Bobby was pretty much mute until he decided to run on the same platform as his older brother. Once he announced his candidacy and his
anti Vietnam stance and showed some popularity, that was it. Soon after he was also dead.

That same corporate, military, government beast that wanted to start and wage endless war for profit in places like Vietnam made sure that the message
of "peace of the bargaining table instead of the peace of the grave" would be silenced a second time.

Those same powers that be are still firmly in control of this nation at the top today. The protracted wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and now Libya are
their dream come true.

If it was indeed confirmed that the bullet came from behind and it was also confirmed that Cesar fired his weapon and was undoubtedly standing behind
RFK then it would only stand to reason that Cesar be investigated.

It's also here that Thane Eugene Cesar also becomes one of the prime suspects as amazingly he could be observed with a gun in his hand immediately
following the assassination -

Was Cesar ever officially considered a suspect? to me its a no-brainer. I mean if the doctors said that the bullet came from behind wouldn't
the first thing you think of as an investigator be the only other known weapon that was confirmed to have been fired? And that weapon known having to
have been fired from behind RFK at that!

All this information would have been available to the original investigators yet did anyone on the investigative team make any mention of a
possible gunman from behind?

So, I guess this leads me to a few questions.

When was the information about the entry/exit wound to RFK's head made available to the investigators?

Was recorded testimony ever taken from Cesar? If so is it available?

If that was my town (if i was Sharif) I would have put everyone in the entire building in quarantine and very thoroughly question everyone. I would
have called in ALL of my investigators and any other person qualified to take testimony. Wake em up call em in if need be.

This was a senator of the united states for goodness sake and likely the next president, this was a super extremely important investigation, the most
important investigation of any investigators career.

How could the "bullet from behind" theory have been over looked?

Was any of the investigators ever (on the record) asked about the "bullet from behind"? If so what was their reply?

If you or anyone else can answer any of my questions I would be most grateful.

This is a great thread very provocative indeed S&F for your hard work and effort to find the truth.

I mean even if at the beginning of their presidential campaign if those guys actually believe all the good things they are saying to the American
public, it is quickly silenced by someone because all of them turn into liers as soon as they are elected.

It is as if the powers that be (TPTB) pull them aside as soon as they are elected and say something along the lines as......Look at JFK, look at RFK
look at......

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