Australia is apparently in the grip of a dire man drought, and the Catholic Church in Australia suggests women lower their expectations accordingly if they want to get hitched.

I never thought I would hear a church advise people to lower their standards. This has got to be a first!

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Australia is apparently in the grip of a dire man drought, and the Catholic Church in Australia suggests women lower their expectations accordingly if they want to get hitched.

I never thought I would hear a church advise people to lower their standards. This has got to be a first!

Perhaps adopting realistic expectations would be a better wording. Especially if the divorce courts are anything like those of the US, marriage is an unappealing proposition for men to begin with.

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Australia is apparently in the grip of a dire man drought, and the Catholic Church in Australia suggests women lower their expectations accordingly if they want to get hitched.

I never thought I would hear a church advise people to lower their standards. This has got to be a first!

Lets not get caught up in sensationalism. We are stilling talking about the Catholic Church, which is often mocked as prudish in the 21st century, so I hardly think that when the Church there says "lower their standards" it quite translates to what is commonly laughed at as lowered standards or lowered expectations. I don't think the Church was implying anything other than that people be more willing to marry people out of their usual comfort zone albeit still within the traditional Catholic prerequisites. For example, I wouldn't assume they were saying marry Pentecostals so much as if Catholic folks only wanted to marry other Catholic blonds with certain incomes perhaps they should readjust that standard and be more flexibly Catholic

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"Are women getting too choosy? I'd say yes," Father Tony Kerin from the Archdiocese of Melbourne told the Herald Sun of Australia. "I think many are setting aside their aspirations for later, but by the time they get around to it, they've missed their chance."

from the OP article link

Further it doesn't seem this was some kind of decree or even sermon, rather just the GlobalPost insinuating a lot from a small interview with an individual priest who was speaking on behalf of the Melbourne Diocese for an interview. I wouldn't call it ecumenical then

stay blessed,habte selassie

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It would require a rare combination of qualities or a few years of speech therapy to overcome that hurdle.

You assume he would listen to her.

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Australia is apparently in the grip of a dire man drought, and the Catholic Church in Australia suggests women lower their expectations accordingly if they want to get hitched.

I never thought I would hear a church advise people to lower their standards. This has got to be a first!

Lets not get caught up in sensationalism. We are stilling talking about the Catholic Church, which is often mocked as prudish in the 21st century, so I hardly think that when the Church there says "lower their standards" it quite translates to what is commonly laughed at as lowered standards or lowered expectations. I don't think the Church was implying anything other than that people be more willing to marry people out of their usual comfort zone albeit still within the traditional Catholic prerequisites. For example, I wouldn't assume they were saying marry Pentecostals so much as if Catholic folks only wanted to marry other Catholic blonds with certain incomes perhaps they should readjust that standard and be more flexibly Catholic

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"Are women getting too choosy? I'd say yes," Father Tony Kerin from the Archdiocese of Melbourne told the Herald Sun of Australia. "I think many are setting aside their aspirations for later, but by the time they get around to it, they've missed their chance."

from the OP article link

Further it doesn't seem this was some kind of decree or even sermon, rather just the GlobalPost insinuating a lot from a small interview with an individual priest who was speaking on behalf of the Melbourne Diocese for an interview. I wouldn't call it ecumenical then

stay blessed,habte selassie

When I was attending a Catholic university, the Dominican chaplain told the ladies (it was a co-ed college at that time) that many bachelors were no longer virgins and so women who were hoping to find Prince Charming could not expect nor should they even ask their boyfriends if they were still virgins.

Australia is apparently in the grip of a dire man drought, and the Catholic Church in Australia suggests women lower their expectations accordingly if they want to get hitched.

I never thought I would hear a church advise people to lower their standards. This has got to be a first!

Lets not get caught up in sensationalism. We are stilling talking about the Catholic Church, which is often mocked as prudish in the 21st century, so I hardly think that when the Church there says "lower their standards" it quite translates to what is commonly laughed at as lowered standards or lowered expectations. I don't think the Church was implying anything other than that people be more willing to marry people out of their usual comfort zone albeit still within the traditional Catholic prerequisites. For example, I wouldn't assume they were saying marry Pentecostals so much as if Catholic folks only wanted to marry other Catholic blonds with certain incomes perhaps they should readjust that standard and be more flexibly Catholic

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"Are women getting too choosy? I'd say yes," Father Tony Kerin from the Archdiocese of Melbourne told the Herald Sun of Australia. "I think many are setting aside their aspirations for later, but by the time they get around to it, they've missed their chance."

from the OP article link

Further it doesn't seem this was some kind of decree or even sermon, rather just the GlobalPost insinuating a lot from a small interview with an individual priest who was speaking on behalf of the Melbourne Diocese for an interview. I wouldn't call it ecumenical then

stay blessed,habte selassie

When I was attending a Catholic university, the Dominican chaplain told the ladies (it was a co-ed college at that time) that many bachelors were no longer virgins and so women who were hoping to find Prince Charming could not expect nor should they even ask their boyfriends if they were still virgins.

I think that the dangers of HPV provide women with a justifiable reason to ask.

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You are right. I apologize for having sacked Constantinople. I really need to stop doing that.

It would require a rare combination of qualities or a few years of speech therapy to overcome that hurdle.

I have talked with Australians and perfectly understand them, but I do have an M.A. in Linguistics and have taught English as a Second Language courses. Before I began my studies in linguistics, I have always tried to listen to those people who present with an accent. Actually, we all have our own idiolect ... our own accent.

Australia is apparently in the grip of a dire man drought, and the Catholic Church in Australia suggests women lower their expectations accordingly if they want to get hitched.

I never thought I would hear a church advise people to lower their standards. This has got to be a first!

Lets not get caught up in sensationalism. We are stilling talking about the Catholic Church, which is often mocked as prudish in the 21st century, so I hardly think that when the Church there says "lower their standards" it quite translates to what is commonly laughed at as lowered standards or lowered expectations. I don't think the Church was implying anything other than that people be more willing to marry people out of their usual comfort zone albeit still within the traditional Catholic prerequisites. For example, I wouldn't assume they were saying marry Pentecostals so much as if Catholic folks only wanted to marry other Catholic blonds with certain incomes perhaps they should readjust that standard and be more flexibly Catholic

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"Are women getting too choosy? I'd say yes," Father Tony Kerin from the Archdiocese of Melbourne told the Herald Sun of Australia. "I think many are setting aside their aspirations for later, but by the time they get around to it, they've missed their chance."

from the OP article link

Further it doesn't seem this was some kind of decree or even sermon, rather just the GlobalPost insinuating a lot from a small interview with an individual priest who was speaking on behalf of the Melbourne Diocese for an interview. I wouldn't call it ecumenical then

stay blessed,habte selassie

When I was attending a Catholic university, the Dominican chaplain told the ladies (it was a co-ed college at that time) that many bachelors were no longer virgins and so women who were hoping to find Prince Charming could not expect nor should they even ask their boyfriends if they were still virgins.

I think that the dangers of HPV provide women with a justifiable reason to ask.

Exactly. AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases should also be justifiable concerns of both the future bride and groom.

If a guy or a girl is not a virgin when he/she ties the knot, doesn't this lack of chastity place their marriage at greater risk of an adulterous affair later on?

I knew several co-eds who married men who were quite the playboy before marriage, but these men promised their future brides that they would be faithful. Since these men were truly honest before marriage and repentant, they were able to keep their marriage vows. The holy sacrament of Confession is truly a help that should not be neglected.

I have a friend who is on about AUUSD$70,000 a year and who is quite plain-looking.

She wants a good-looking guy who earns more than her (she has also expressed certain preferences in relation to the size of his equipment).

I have tried to explain to her that good-looking dudes with lots of money and giant penises don't want plain girls who aren't heiresses, but it doesn't seem to sink in.

Sadly, I think this friend is representative of the average Australian American single woman.

Yep. Interestingly, I think the Church-going girls are the worst. I often joke that the girls from parish suffer from "princess syndrome", and I'm not even looking for a spouse myself.

I run the risk of being labeled a heretical ecumenicist by saying this, but:

Preach it, Brother!

LOL! ouch! , some of us are the very definition of a proletariat and abhor monarchy lol

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Australia is apparently in the grip of a dire man drought, and the Catholic Church in Australia suggests women lower their expectations accordingly if they want to get hitched.

I never thought I would hear a church advise people to lower their standards. This has got to be a first!

Lets not get caught up in sensationalism. We are stilling talking about the Catholic Church, which is often mocked as prudish in the 21st century, so I hardly think that when the Church there says "lower their standards" it quite translates to what is commonly laughed at as lowered standards or lowered expectations. I don't think the Church was implying anything other than that people be more willing to marry people out of their usual comfort zone albeit still within the traditional Catholic prerequisites. For example, I wouldn't assume they were saying marry Pentecostals so much as if Catholic folks only wanted to marry other Catholic blonds with certain incomes perhaps they should readjust that standard and be more flexibly Catholic

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"Are women getting too choosy? I'd say yes," Father Tony Kerin from the Archdiocese of Melbourne told the Herald Sun of Australia. "I think many are setting aside their aspirations for later, but by the time they get around to it, they've missed their chance."

from the OP article link

Further it doesn't seem this was some kind of decree or even sermon, rather just the GlobalPost insinuating a lot from a small interview with an individual priest who was speaking on behalf of the Melbourne Diocese for an interview. I wouldn't call it ecumenical then

stay blessed,habte selassie

When I was attending a Catholic university, the Dominican chaplain told the ladies (it was a co-ed college at that time) that many bachelors were no longer virgins and so women who were hoping to find Prince Charming could not expect nor should they even ask their boyfriends if they were still virgins.

I think that the dangers of HPV provide women with a justifiable reason to ask.

Exactly. AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases should also be justifiable concerns of both the future bride and groom.

If a guy or a girl is not a virgin when he/she ties the knot, doesn't this lack of chastity place their marriage at greater risk of an adulterous affair later on?

Agreed. I specifically bring up HPV, because for men it is often asymptomatic and there is no test to determine if a male is infected. To make matters worse, it can casue uterine cancer in women.

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You are right. I apologize for having sacked Constantinople. I really need to stop doing that.

Australians are loud, brash bores. So basically I'd be marrying a female version of myself? No thank you, mate.

The general advice isn't bad, though. If everybody out there is looking for the same thing (and I have a hard time believing that they aren't), then obviously most people will continue to be disappointed, as the few prince charmings who do exist probably know that they're great and desirable, and can pick and choose their mates accordingly. The rest of us? Eh...better either luck out or get used to being alone if you're going to insist on having a guy who is a pretty boy, with a body builder's body, also smart and cultured, able to cook, in touch with his feelings or whatever, gets along with all your friends and family, etc.

I'm not married, but I hope if I ever am blessed in that way I will keep in mind Louis CK's sage wisdom on the subject of being content with your spouse: "Some things do get easier as you've married for a while, you start to understand each other better, and you start looking at yourself more. You spend a lot of your marriage looking at the other person and trying to change them or figure them out, then you start realizing what you're bringing to the table, and you blame them less for [stuff]."

I think if more people had this kind of attitude when looking for/at their mate, we'd all be a lot happier. Or everybody's just crazy. I dunno.

Australia is apparently in the grip of a dire man drought, and the Catholic Church in Australia suggests women lower their expectations accordingly if they want to get hitched.

I never thought I would hear a church advise people to lower their standards. This has got to be a first!

Lets not get caught up in sensationalism. We are stilling talking about the Catholic Church, which is often mocked as prudish in the 21st century, so I hardly think that when the Church there says "lower their standards" it quite translates to what is commonly laughed at as lowered standards or lowered expectations. I don't think the Church was implying anything other than that people be more willing to marry people out of their usual comfort zone albeit still within the traditional Catholic prerequisites. For example, I wouldn't assume they were saying marry Pentecostals so much as if Catholic folks only wanted to marry other Catholic blonds with certain incomes perhaps they should readjust that standard and be more flexibly Catholic

Quote

"Are women getting too choosy? I'd say yes," Father Tony Kerin from the Archdiocese of Melbourne told the Herald Sun of Australia. "I think many are setting aside their aspirations for later, but by the time they get around to it, they've missed their chance."

from the OP article link

Further it doesn't seem this was some kind of decree or even sermon, rather just the GlobalPost insinuating a lot from a small interview with an individual priest who was speaking on behalf of the Melbourne Diocese for an interview. I wouldn't call it ecumenical then

stay blessed,habte selassie

When I was attending a Catholic university, the Dominican chaplain told the ladies (it was a co-ed college at that time) that many bachelors were no longer virgins and so women who were hoping to find Prince Charming could not expect nor should they even ask their boyfriends if they were still virgins.

I think that the dangers of HPV provide women with a justifiable reason to ask.

Exactly. AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases should also be justifiable concerns of both the future bride and groom.

If a guy or a girl is not a virgin when he/she ties the knot, doesn't this lack of chastity place their marriage at greater risk of an adulterous affair later on?

Agreed. I specifically bring up HPV, because for men it is often asymptomatic and there is no test to determine if a male is infected. To make matters worse, it can casue uterine cancer in women.

Absolutely!

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To God be the Glory in all things! Amen!

Only pray for me, that God would give me both inward and outward strength, that I may not only speak, but truly will; and that I may not merely be called a Christian, but really be found to be one. St.Ignatius of Antioch.Epistle to the Romans.