]]>By: Patrick in VAhttp://www.joebucsfan.com/2014/01/turnovers-worthless-without-points/#comment-3360823
Sun, 19 Jan 2014 02:06:19 +0000http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=105688#comment-3360823@Joe – I’m not here to defend the output this past year. Some of that nonsense was unwatchable. sometimes it dampened the excitement of a turnover because I knew it meant our offense was going back on the field. I totally get what you’re saying. What I’m saying is that it wasn’t all his fault. There were linemen that were letting the defense get into glennon’s face as soon as the ball was snapped, there was bad play calling that allowed good defenses to eat us alive and there was some bad qb play in there as well from our rookie qb. It just seems absurd to me to think that all this less on the shoulders of a kid who wasn’t taking preseason reps with the first team and didn’t get help from his qb coach. The preseason is when chemistry is developed and the only person he spent any time working with was Tim Wright and look how that worked out for the tight end that none of us heard of.
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Sun, 19 Jan 2014 01:41:49 +0000http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=105688#comment-3360822Harry said:

The MGM crowd will blame the coaches for bad schemes or whatever. Plus it was Glennon’s rookie year, and he does not have enough weapons around him, and on half of the games there was a full moon or the sun was in his eyes….

As a member of the MGM I say, thank you for pointing that out. Just proves our point.

]]>By: Brandonhttp://www.joebucsfan.com/2014/01/turnovers-worthless-without-points/#comment-3360779
Sat, 18 Jan 2014 23:47:56 +0000http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=105688#comment-3360779It’s funny people want to compare Glennon’s stats with Manning in his rookie year. Glennon had a little better rating but despite throwing the ball about 150 less times than Peyton he took 18 more sacks. Even more importantly, Manning’s offense was 12th in the league, Glennon’s? Dead last.

By the way, not saying he will or won’t be decent, but Ryan Nassib was EEli’s backup this season….perhaps you’ve heard of him.

]]>By: lurkerhttp://www.joebucsfan.com/2014/01/turnovers-worthless-without-points/#comment-3360778
Sat, 18 Jan 2014 23:46:51 +0000http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=105688#comment-3360778@Patrick
my veteran comment was in reference to needing at least 2 decent qb’s, and that we will get our 2nd qb through the draft vs free agency, this year; not that glennon is a vet.

“Glennon was the best rookie QB draft pick in the NFL last year. Statistically. Not bad in my book. And he was the NFL Rookie QB of the year.”

not offense to special needs, but as they say, that is like coming in first in the special olympics. everyone says last year was a down year for qb’s in the draft.

]]>By: Brandonhttp://www.joebucsfan.com/2014/01/turnovers-worthless-without-points/#comment-3360759
Sat, 18 Jan 2014 22:59:09 +0000http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=105688#comment-3360759Playcalling may have been a factor,,, but the same guy calling plays in 2012 when the team was 9th in the league, called plays for the 32nd ranked, Mike Glennon led, offense,

Also, gripe all you want about deep shots, they very well may have been called and an audible was called or Captain Checkdown 2.0 didn’t take the shot. When he did throw the ball deep, his weak arm would often betray him as the ball was nearly always terribly under thrown.

Mike Glennon is not the answer. Don’t let his meaningless stats fool you. He takes way too many sacks, he has a weak arm, below average release, no athleticism or even strength in the pocket, and won’t even try to stretch the field.

Bruce Gradkowski showed more potential than this guy and he played for a coach that drafted him. We all know how that turned out for us.

Glennon was the best rookie QB draft pick in the NFL last year. Statistically. Not bad in my book. And he was the NFL Rookie QB of the year.

And Schiano grabbed him in the 3rd?

Sweet. Now we should sign McCown, Vick and Tebow.

]]>By: Trubucfan22http://www.joebucsfan.com/2014/01/turnovers-worthless-without-points/#comment-3360750
Sat, 18 Jan 2014 22:30:44 +0000http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=105688#comment-3360750Also. Someone brought up that if the bucs lose that lovie will be rode out of town. I sure hope not. I don’t care if lovie has 3 consecutive losing seasons, he is a quality coach and will turn it around. I dreamt for the day we had a franchise coach and I think we have that in lovie. He may not be the best coach in the league, but he is respected enough and a great enough coach that he deserves to stay as long as he wants. At least I hope that’s how it turns out. Obviously a string of losing seasons will make it tough to support him, but I don’t think that will happen. If we continually have winning season like the bears had under him I wouldn’t fire him, the bucs were dumb to fire dungy and gruden who were winning franchise type coaches. Gruden had some rough seasons but he always fixed things. Dungy was great for a long time, firing him was possible the worst thing the bucs ever did. We need to give good coaches time. It dumb to replace a coach for not winning in the playoffs. I would kill to be in the playoffs again. And there are fans crying because their team lost in the playoffs again. Man just being there is a great feat. Let’s not be greedy. Let’s enjoy the ride and hope for the best. A winning season isn’t so bad.
]]>By: Trubucfan22http://www.joebucsfan.com/2014/01/turnovers-worthless-without-points/#comment-3360744
Sat, 18 Jan 2014 22:18:35 +0000http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=105688#comment-3360744lol at comparing luck to Glennon. Last I saw luck was leading his team to 4th quarter victories. How many 4th quarter victories does Glennon have?

Anybody?

Yep, none. Check the splits on espn player stats. Glennon plays his worst in the 4th quarter. And he plays even worst on 3rd down. 1st and 2nd are ok, 1st half is kinda good. But when it gets to 3rd down he’s terrible, when the 3rd quarter starts he’s bad, and in the forth he’s terrible. I can live with the Glennon of the first half of games, but the fact is that he consistently lost us games in the 4th quarter. We have had plenty of chances by half time but they always got squandered away by terrible qb play. Yes play calling was bad, but it was bad because the coaches knew their qb was terrible. He isn’t worth building around. He doesn’t have the intangibles to be great. He had a good statistical season but if you watch the games instead of the box scores you’d see why Glennon gets so much hate. He’s not good in crunch time. He doesn’t have that clutch gene.

]]>By: buchead407http://www.joebucsfan.com/2014/01/turnovers-worthless-without-points/#comment-3360734
Sat, 18 Jan 2014 21:18:28 +0000http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=105688#comment-3360734No haha just saying we should’ve played freeman out this past season. We had to pay him regardless then we wouldn’t be having this glennon talk (as much at least).
I don’t care who is the qb next year. Just want a winner
]]>By: PRBucFanhttp://www.joebucsfan.com/2014/01/turnovers-worthless-without-points/#comment-3360732
Sat, 18 Jan 2014 21:07:09 +0000http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=105688#comment-3360732That’s 29% more than Free Free would have scored buddy old pal 😉

Are you proposing we should have started Dan?

lol

]]>By: buchead407http://www.joebucsfan.com/2014/01/turnovers-worthless-without-points/#comment-3360725
Sat, 18 Jan 2014 20:26:32 +0000http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=105688#comment-3360725I’d rather have freeman than glennon at least josh had some flash games. Set franchise records and that stuff. Never could take us to the playoffs glennon is the same way to me. Pretty good. But don’t see him changing the offensive culture around here. Need a.new an for.a new coach
]]>By: Patrick in VAhttp://www.joebucsfan.com/2014/01/turnovers-worthless-without-points/#comment-3360698
Sat, 18 Jan 2014 18:13:28 +0000http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=105688#comment-3360698I would, however, disagree that a change needs to be made because tedford needs a fresh mind to mold. Its not like glennon is a crusty veteran. That’s part of the unknown with him is it was just his rookie year this year
]]>By: Patrick in VAhttp://www.joebucsfan.com/2014/01/turnovers-worthless-without-points/#comment-3360695
Sat, 18 Jan 2014 18:08:35 +0000http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=105688#comment-3360695That’s a fair and valid point. I’m still not sure that Lovie will agree. If he’s going to come out with his defense wins 8 games comment then he’ll want the pieces in place to back that up.
]]>By: lurkerhttp://www.joebucsfan.com/2014/01/turnovers-worthless-without-points/#comment-3360692
Sat, 18 Jan 2014 17:51:42 +0000http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=105688#comment-3360692@Patrick

that could be said about clayborn, bowers, receivers, o-line. it was the coaching/system. we don’t know what we have. i say qb is the most important position and we need to double-down, in the draft. if tedford can mold qb’s, he wants them fresh and young, not vets who are closed-minded.

I have no idea what qb they like in the draft, but it needs to be a high pick. any one of the players in the draft (e.g. clowney, mack, barr) have negatives and could bust/flop just like any of the qb’s.

]]>By: BuccaneerBonzaihttp://www.joebucsfan.com/2014/01/turnovers-worthless-without-points/#comment-3360690
Sat, 18 Jan 2014 17:51:21 +0000http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=105688#comment-3360690Woody Cummings is wrong. The turnovers got the defense off the field (briefly) and allowed the defense to rest. That’s value.

I understand his point though.

I’m clearly not sold on Glennon, but the kids WAS a rookie. He had enough weapons around him to get some things done and NOT be the worse offense in the league though.

I’ll even go on to say he has the potential to be very good…but also to be very bad. The truth is we just do not know.

So to me, it only makes sense to “not know” with two guys instead of one, just to improve our chances. Better than NOT having a second option and waiting 3-4 years to see if Glennon is good enough.

If we do not make the playoffs, everyone here will be screaming for his head…and Lovie’s. That’s just how Tampa fans are.

]]>By: Patrick in VAhttp://www.joebucsfan.com/2014/01/turnovers-worthless-without-points/#comment-3360688
Sat, 18 Jan 2014 17:42:52 +0000http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=105688#comment-3360688@lurker – you’re absolutely right. The receivers had to bail him out a number of times. I’m not debating that at all. the folks he wanted to throw to weren’t open because they knew Jackson was the only real talent we had. He had to throw some prayers up and hope jax won the fight. He had to come back and get some balls. No question. I don’t know if that’s because they hasn’t worked together to build chemistry. There are a lot if things we don’t know about that situation and that’s why I think we give him another year. Remember that, when given the choice, glennon chose not to play schiano’s style of football in college. When given the chance to branch outside of what schiano wanted to do glennon did well. All I’m saying is that we don’t know what we have and we might be throwing away a high draft pick when we already have our guy
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