Lance Armstrong Still Believes He Won 7 Tours de France But No Longer Wears A Livestrong Bracelethttp://www.businessinsider.com/lance-armstrong-still-believes-he-won-7-tours-de-france-and-no-longer-wears-livestrong-bracelet-2014-8/comments
en-usWed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 -0500Tue, 03 Mar 2015 13:51:20 -0500Daniel McMahonhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f60a62eab8ea441b4be8e3Engin YesilyemisThu, 21 Aug 2014 11:04:02 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f60a62eab8ea441b4be8e3
I said it before and it's happening. He is going to write that book and we are all going to read it. I wish he didn't play the "victim" part and wore his yellow bracelet... After all he is the poster child for modern medicine and still represents hope for those that are suffering from these various diseases. We now need something to make cycling "hip" again in the US of A.
Cycling is imbedded in the European culture. It's the blue-collar joy. Those who do not have luxuries in their lives but they have their bike. They ride the same shitty steel road bike with 5 of their best friends on a Sunday. Have a beer and go home.
Here in the US it's a fashion piece that lasted pretty long but the numbers for the new riders are not encouraging. Also it doesn't help that we don't wave at each other and look way too cool on out bikes, hoping to crush spirits on Strava.
I'm not from here. I live here. I love it here... I wouldn't have it any other way! Because of Lance, I have a really fun job that few, may be most, would dream of having. I live my passion.
Drugs in sports were there, is still there and will be there. "If you are not cheating, you are not racing." By cheating I don't always mean doping. Have you ever put on a 404s on your road bike? Have you ever rode a Jekyll? Can you afford these things? If you can, that's a form of cheating over the rider that doesn't have access not the funds to the above mentioned gear...
Cycling should be all about smiles. If you are riding your bike and look like a miserable sod, you are doing something wrong. (...and trust me, I have had my share of misery on the bike)...
Cycling has brought many smiles to peoples faces. #ALC, TnT, MS ride, #LiveStrong... Find the joy in cycling. Spread the love.
Ride your bike today...
Xoxoxohttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f5dbc26bb3f7036e1577d1Paulo SouzaThu, 21 Aug 2014 07:45:06 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f5dbc26bb3f7036e1577d1
Bom dia,
É muito fácil criticar o Lance neste momento e para poder criticá-lo é necessário que você ganhe um Tour de France,então compre uma bicicleta,treine bastante e vença um Tour,daí sim você poderá ter o direito de criticá-lo a vontade,não sabemos ainda se após as sessões de radioterapia que ele fez para tratar de um câncer fez dele um novo homem também?.Fique em paz Campeão um dia as coisas se revelarão,pois você foi sim o melhor de todos.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f4f8baecad048810f7d187acasualobserverWed, 20 Aug 2014 15:36:26 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f4f8baecad048810f7d187
He did everything in his power to destroy LeMond and used his ties to Trek to force LeMond Bicycles out of business. He acknowledges that he was ruthless, but has he apologized to LeMond or others who simply stated the obvious: "Armstrong could never achieve those results naturally?" Let's never forget those companies that allowed Armstrong to bully them into unethical actions against his naysayers.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f4a9166bb3f71405f7d18fkellydorsey8Wed, 20 Aug 2014 09:56:38 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f4a9166bb3f71405f7d18f
' Lance Armstrong still remembers he is a seven-time Tour de France champion'
This is just as true as:
' George W. Bush still remembers he is a eight-year US President'http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f459ebecad045813f7d189JoshKBWed, 20 Aug 2014 04:18:51 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f459ebecad045813f7d189
It is L.A.'s crusade, now, to try and convince people that everybody in the peloton was using the same drugs and the same amount of drugs, where it is very likely that the US Postal, and Michele Ferrari have set up the best doping program.
He wasn't the best, he was just "one of the best" who decided he would be doping more and "better" than the others.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f4590aeab8ea216cf7d18aJoshKBWed, 20 Aug 2014 04:15:06 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f4590aeab8ea216cf7d18a
So, for you, Ben Johnson is the 100m Seoul Olympic Champion in 88 (as he crossed the line first) ?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f458beeab8ea8579f7d186JoshKBWed, 20 Aug 2014 04:13:50 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f458beeab8ea8579f7d186
Not sure EPO was the main drug, as, after 1999-2000 the tests started to detect it. It is likely that after the first 2 wins, the team started dropping the EPO and used a combination of other drugs together with blood transfusion.
In addition, it is very very likely that L.A. got caught with a extremely unreal blood test (after the Mont Ventoux stage), during his "clean" comeback in 2009, which is another lie from him. Doctors gave a one in a million chance that his red cells levels after this stage could be natural.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f45737eab8ea1b6cf7d18aJoshKBWed, 20 Aug 2014 04:07:19 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f45737eab8ea1b6cf7d18a
First, it is not because everybody is cheating that you are not a cheater. You are just one of them. And some cyclists from that era refused to dope and were ostracized (Gilles Delion, C Bassons, etc).
Second, it has been well documented by USADA that even amongst the cheaters, L.A. has been pushing it further than anybody else. Therefore he is very likely he was doping more than the others, not the same as the others (thanks to Michele Ferrari).
Third, he has destroyed and bullied people for years. He is more than a cheat, and needs to be sanctioned for that too.
As David Walsh said "L.A. is not sorry he cheated, he is just sorry he got caught". This man always was and always will be a unrepentant jerk.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f4360deab8eacd3ac03eeeppipWed, 20 Aug 2014 01:45:49 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f4360deab8eacd3ac03eee
A fuck, this an ad for his upcoming book.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f40e90eab8ea4a59c03eeeSway1972Tue, 19 Aug 2014 22:57:20 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f40e90eab8ea4a59c03eee
His medals got pulled, thus he's just a guy who use to someone...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f4068a6bb3f78077c03eeeYou're patheticTue, 19 Aug 2014 22:23:06 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f4068a6bb3f78077c03eee
what are you even talking about? You are the true loser. You waste your time judging someone else for their accomplishments that are astronomically more significant than anything you've ever done in your life. Like Don Henley said best, everybody loves dirty laundry.
Please, keep blaming your problems on white people.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f405d469bedd0633c03eeeOnly losers are hatingTue, 19 Aug 2014 22:20:04 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f405d469bedd0633c03eee
Yeah, I bet he even used drugs to beat cancer. What a cheathttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f4029fecad040f27c03ef9Joe WTue, 19 Aug 2014 22:06:23 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f4029fecad040f27c03ef9
What the hell are you talking about. The guy won 7 Tour De France races. Seriously, you don't think people never lied, cheated or bullied their way to the finish line before to get to the top? It's the American way. Nice guys finish last. Happens all the time. Lance was innovative and put the work in to get it done. He's an American hero. The French don't want Americans to ever win the the Tour. That's why they stripped the titles from Lance and Floyd. The only other American to ever win is of French heritage so he's passable to the French. Lance didn't give a crap. He won until he was the all-time leader, retired, and still came back and kicked ass.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f3eafb6bb3f70d7ec03ef4steveraxxTue, 19 Aug 2014 20:25:31 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f3eafb6bb3f70d7ec03ef4
Obviously you do not know anything about cycling. You have no idea what the Hour is, or why this rubber band salesman did not win the Triple. Also he was too gutless to ever take on the The Classics.
I wager you are a very typical, white-male-republican. One of those who knows nothing about a subject and yet posts to them anyway.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f3ea8569bedde941c03ef2steveraxxTue, 19 Aug 2014 20:23:33 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f3ea8569bedde941c03ef2
One can only hope you are being sardonic. If you are seriously being an apologist for this lying bullying cretin, you maintain very odd morals.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f3ea0eeab8ea9321c03ef0steveraxxTue, 19 Aug 2014 20:21:34 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f3ea0eeab8ea9321c03ef0
Thirteen years ago I started telling people how this rubber band salesman was a cheater, a liar, and just a general creep. I am glad that his cheating and bullying and lying were exposed in my lifetime. You are a little loser lance. Now we all know why you did not have the guts or the talent to take on any of the Classics. And too gutless to try the Hour.
So it is though, in america, if you are a white guy you get all sorts of excuses made for you. Hey maybe you can accept that jesus guy and they will elect you President of the United States. After all it worked for your buddy.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f3e823ecad04094cc03eefWolferlTue, 19 Aug 2014 20:13:23 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f3e823ecad04094cc03eef
Nope. He just had the best drugs at his time. Actually he was just a 2. tier cyclists. He accieved not much before he started his "cancer" treatment.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f3e49669beddec1cc03eefjamie.reno2Tue, 19 Aug 2014 19:58:14 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f3e49669beddec1cc03eef
Interesting if predictable piece, Daniel. This is the far more important story:
EXCLUSIVE: An Inside Look at Livestrong After Lance Armstrong <a href="http://therenodispatch.blogspot.com/2014/08/exclusive-inside-look-at-livestrong.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >http://therenodispatch.blogspot.com/2014/08/exclusive-inside-look-at-livestrong.html</a>http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f3e43f69bedd0a18c03eeeAnother Bike SnobTue, 19 Aug 2014 19:56:47 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f3e43f69bedd0a18c03eee
Yes, most of Lance's competitors through the years were also doping, but that doesn't mean they were doping as much as Lance, or deriving the same benefit from it. The "doping" that we're talking about really boils down to one drug: EPO. EPO stimulates red blood cell production, which increases oxygen delivery to the muscles. In a 3 week stage race like the Tour de France, that can mean the difference between flying up the mountains or cracking and losing chunks of time after a tough day of racing. So everyone started juicing on EPO in the 90s, and when authorities got wind of it, they started testing for hematocrit, (basically the ratio of red blood cells in your body) and capped it at about 50%.
So basically, riders who are naturally gifted with a high hematocrit and VO2 max (like Greg LeMond or George Hincapie) stood far less to gain and risked crossing the threshold into suspicious hematocrit levels by taking EPO, whereas less physically gifted riders like Armstrong had more to gain.
So that's what's sad. We'll never really know who the best rider of the Armstrong era was. Armstrong and Bruyneel were good tacticians, certainly, but their strategy also relied on doping, so it's hard to really give them that award either. But there's no question that Armstrong is probably the best cheater to ever have a career in bike racing. You may not like what he did, but you can't say he wasn't good at it.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f3e16beab8ea6566c03eefJoe WTue, 19 Aug 2014 19:44:43 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f3e16beab8ea6566c03eef
I agree with Lance. The guy pedaled the bike. He crossed the finish line first 7 times. He won 7 Tour De Frances races.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f3cfd5ecad043568c03ef1TherealgregTue, 19 Aug 2014 18:29:41 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f3cfd5ecad043568c03ef1
He did 2 things.
1. He absolutely did win 7 Tour de Frances
2. He outed for all of us that the competitors are all chemically enhanced, diminishing the significance of the entire event and his 7 wins.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f3cf3a6bb3f7f616c03eeeFrancisoTue, 19 Aug 2014 18:27:06 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f3cf3a6bb3f7f616c03eee
Of course he won!
If no one used drugs he would also would win. He was the best at his timehttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f3c97d6bb3f7e505c03eeenone123Tue, 19 Aug 2014 18:02:37 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f3c97d6bb3f7e505c03eee
Clowny clown clown II.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f3c838ecad045841c03ef1Tony_123456Tue, 19 Aug 2014 17:57:12 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53f3c838ecad045841c03ef1
He won! Others, also on drugs, didn't