MGoT: Dragon’s breath

Once the bursts come more regularly, a few begin people stop and point across the road and through the fencing. The flames, burning a hot bright orange are hard to miss – and that is what we want, because this is the dragon fire test for Season 4.

As the dragons grow and start to test their power, their fire breathing will get stronger and more powerful. The Dragons are legend for a reason and this season we will get a hint of why. The final tally, 22 canisters and 400 litres of gas – all for just one day in Essos.

Winter Is Coming: Dragons are coming. And they will be breathing fire.

Hot Pie shows up and begs an audience with Dany. Selmy, thinking its another assassination attempt, has him locked in a cell for 8 months and he is only given one meager meal each day. After 8 months, Hot Pie is released. Dany mistakes him for Ed Skrein. Being ashamed that she could make such a foolish error in judgement, she feeds him to Drogon’s breath and renames him Hotter Pie. Selmys milk shoots out of his nose at the jest.

Judging where the story is going (with ADWD stuff coming up), changes are welcome. As long as the end points and major scenes and arcs are the same, they can do whatever they want to do to Dany’s story. It’s just not TV material, for the most part.

And it seems the dragons are growing! Great stuff. I can’t wait to see Drogon return twice the size in which he left (which is HUGE) at the Daznak Pit and obliterating everything. Such a great scene.

It will be interesting to see them create a lot of new material to tell her journey to Meereen, how she gets the city, what they do of Meereen to make it interesting, since it will last for some season… they will have to create many things and intrigues and I’m really curious to see how it will turn out !

+1 totally agree. We should spend the next four seasons watching Emilia finger herself to thoughts of Daario. Watching Tyrion travel on a boat, getting kidnapped and then travel some more. Jon counting the watch’s food stores. Watch Brienne ask everyone in Westeros if they have seen a maid of three and ten with Auburn hair. Introduce a million and one side characters half of whom are killed off or disappear never to be heard from again. What riveting TV that would be.

Bard: I’m not sure if I actually want to see him killing and eating a child… The bones would be enough for me.

Like the books, Essos should provide many of these moments in upcoming seasons. Crucified, eviscerated children, roasted children, scorched Unsullied, roasted Dornish, victims of the Harpy, diseased “freed” slaves outside Meereen, violent skirmishes, Drogon in Daznak’s Pit, eating warriors and killing others, Meereen burning after Viserion/Rhaegal chaos….all leading to the great battle of Meereen….See the newly released “Ser Barristan” chapter of TWoW to witness what the Yunkai/Harpy are doing to dead, diseased corpses (it involves a trebuchet)…..Ahhhhh! It is getting crazy. No more fucking “winning” for Dany, for sure.

One bad thing tho, I think the show will suffer a huuuuge decrease in popularity halfway through Season 5 because of Daenerys (or Khaleesi lololol) popularity.

It seems that 50% of casual viewers/non-fans are only watching Thrones for her.
It’s sad but the truth.
Unless D&D get influenced by all that stuff but book purists will still get mad and quit the show anyway.

We’ll see, We’ll see but i’m not ready for that season especially after the fourth which will be one hell of a ride for sure.

OMFG you guys I’m so excited. You know what this means don’t you?!! The dragons are finally going to name themselves by breathing fire letters into the air and then there will be rainbows and sparkels for all!!!!!

Bard: I didn’t say they should censor anything. We don’t witness Hazzea’s death in the books. A winged shadow and the sack with bones would suffice, I think.

Not to be an ass but….may I ask what is the difference between the Krasny-que and Hassea’s wrong place at the wrong time incident? Guilt vs. Innocence? Adult vs. Child? How is it different from (*shuddering*) Lommy’s spear in the throat?

Dragon chaos and violence is inevitable. There shouldn’t be any comfortable moments with a dragon in the vicinity. I will be screaming “Foul!” when and if they lock up Viserion and Rhaegal…like they locked up Grey Wind at the RW. Living with dragons is like playing Nuclear Risk…obliteration and sudden endings are always possible.

Ozymandias:
One bad thing tho, I think the show will suffer a huuuuge decrease in popularity halfway through Season 5 because of Daenerys (or Khaleesi lololol) popularity.

It seems that 50% of casual viewers/non-fans are only watching Thrones for her.
It’s sad but the truth.
Unless D&D get influenced by all that stuff but book purists will still get mad and quit the show anyway.

We’ll see, We’ll see but i’m not ready for that season especially after the fourth which will be one hell of a ride for sure.

Hodor’s Bastard: Not to be an ass but….may I ask what is the difference between the Krasny-que and Hassea’s wrong place at the wrong time incident? Guilt vs. Innocence? Adult vs. Child? How is it different from (*shuddering*) Lommy’s spear in the throat?

Adult vs. child. Watching a dragon roasting and devouring a little girl is not exactly my cup of tea. I’m not saying they shouldn’t do it because it’s morally wrong or something like that, but I could live without it.

I challenge anyone to do a Pro/Con list of AFfC/ADwD events (including non-POV events) after a combined re-read. You will be surprised as I was (and as I hope the showrunners will be). Yes, GRRM could have tightened it up a bit, but the combined book read translates into a fun ride for 1.5 seasons or so (from end of S4 to beginning of S6).

Hodor’s Bastard: Not to be an ass but….may I ask what is the difference between the Krasny-que and Hassea’s wrong place at the wrong time incident? Guilt vs. Innocence? Adult vs. Child? How is it different from (*shuddering*) Lommy’s spear in the throat?

I may be wrong, but I think Kraznys is that guy that cuts people’s nipples off.

Someone mentioned Hot Pie. Anyone else realised that in the book Hot Pie stayed at the Inn at the Kneeling Man, while in the series he stayed at the Inn at the Crossroads? Arya said in one episode that that was the Inn at the Crossroads, that she was there before. If that’s right we might see him this season and he might be in the middle of some butchery. He may be with the Hound and Arya against Polliver and the other ones. If so, he will get killed.

And I may be wrong – again – but are you all speculating Gregor might be at the Inn at some point as well, for character development (and killing)? If so, Hot Pie will get killed.

Kraznys’s scene was an easy bait and switch, the viewers never got to see fire
consume him, and quite different from the camera angle that lingered on
Mirri Maz. Lommy’s scene must have been forgettable or I got squeamish and
focused on my fireplace instead, because I don’t recall any of the details, onscreen.
All of these were quite vivid and incredulous while reading, I would’t have censored
my imagination for anything.

That said, the camera projects a longer perspective, with an image that may remain
fixed in one’s mind. Overstimulation has a way of creating an undesired effect.
I think this is why I was impressed with the way the production handled Roz’s death,
it wasn’t too difficult to imagine all the grizzly details of her suffering. That picture
shared a thousand words. Please, no blistering / crispy skin of seared child flesh.
I’m a lot of fun at Zombie enactments, not ( :

WildSeed:Hodor’s Bastard,
…That said, the camera projects a longer perspective, with an image that may remain fixed in one’s mind. Overstimulation has a way of creating an undesired effect…

Somewhere along the way, I became desensitized regarding the outlandish sexual and violent situations within ASoI&F and subsequently within GoT. Since the beginning, they have pushed buttons and limits. Has it been prudently integrated with good storytelling? I won’t judge…yet. Initially disturbed by what I read, time has enabled acceptance. Resistance is futile!

I’m about to hit FfC in my re-read and am greatly anticipating this second reading of these two. I don’t really expect to be swayed from thinking Dany spends too many pages doing nothing, or that Penny is a godawful, terrible, utterly boring character, but in most other aspects I’m ready to be convinced. I don’t think season 5 is going to be the trainwreck many seem to be fearing. But I am a Dorne/Iron Islands apologist, so…

Even what I remember of the books, I’d say you’re right; they could make for a fantastic 1.5 seasons. My fear is that they’ll try and get double, 3 seasons, from them, to buy Martin time. If that’s the plan I hope they have some great ideas for original material to pad it.

Honestly, thinking back at the books, the dragons should have nothing to do in season 4 maybe only hunting some small children. The scene in the fighting pits, will be in season 5. Dany’s story in itself could be advanced to that point, but they would need to bring Tyrion all the way to Meereen by then, the Yunkai siege, Victarion en route, Quentyn, too many things…. the same stuff that created the Meereenese Knot in GRRM’s mind. Maybe the dragons might burn some people when Dany locks them up. . Anyway, even if they should be “unemployed” this year, D&D will find something for them to burn, half the people who watch GOT come for the dragons. Fine, but NAME THEM ALREADY!!! How many think that they are all called Dracarys??

vlad:
Anyway, even if they should be “unemployed” this year, D&D will find something for them to burn, half the people who watch GOT come for the dragons. Fine, but NAME THEM ALREADY!!! How many think that they are all called Dracarys??

For the record, they technically already ARE named on the show – Mr Cogman (I think) was asked about this and he said in the scripts the dragons are referred to by the same names as the books. The names just haven’t been used in dialog.

Don’t get me wrong I love this adaptation but there has been ALOT of oversight in this series thus far. So much that it’s not just the Reader fans that are noticing them.
-Where is the Greatjon? Actor can’t come back? Okay. Then create a device in story that explains that.
-Mention that all the Northern Lords were at the Red Wedding even if you can’t show them

I can think of other examples that could have been rectified with a simple piece of dialogue. This is what frustrates me about the show so much is that they think these things don’t matter or at least that’s the way they come off. I sometimes think it would be better for the show if D & D humbled themselves just a bit. Not enough budget, not enough time? We understand but there’s this conception that they don’t care when probably they actually do care. Or must they maintain that professional detachment to be taken seriously by the HBO big wigs?
I find more and more that GoT is more of a meta experience than a television series.

Wasn’t there supposed to be a line of dialogue in S3E1 noting that the Greatjon was amongst the bodies at Harrenhal? I remember reading a review of the first 4 episodes that said that. Maybe they decided they’d like to have the option to bring him back.

That said, this is the sort of “oversight” I frankly couldn’t give a shit about. Reminds me of the “fans” of Lost who got upset that every single inconsequential detail didn’t get a full explanation detailing exactly what or why it was.

Don’t get me wrong I love this adaptation but there has been ALOT of oversight in this series thus far. So much that it’s not just the Reader fans that are noticing them.
-Where is the Greatjon? Actor can’t come back? Okay. Then create a device in story that explains that.
-Mention that all the Northern Lords were at the Red Wedding even if you can’t show them

I can think of other examples that could have been rectified with a simple piece of dialogue. This is what frustrates me about the show so much is that they think these things don’t matter or at least that’s the way they come off.I sometimes think it would be better for the show if D & D humbled themselves just a bit. Not enough budget, not enough time? We understand but there’s this conception that they don’t care when probably they actually do care. Or must they maintain that professional detachment to be taken seriously by the HBO big wigs?
I find more and more that GoT is more of a meta experience than a television series.

Dude, I gotta hand to you. You started out as the funny guy with the penis jokes and worked your way to up Master Troll who derails every thread and and every discussion with your presence. Well done Ser!

Dude, I gotta hand to you. You started out as the funny guy with the penis jokes and worked your way to up Master Troll who derails every thread and and every discussion with your presence. Well done Ser!

Nah. I’m merely a fun additive. Like Bacon bits.

Seriously though, the Russian mafia plotline in Sopranos was just dismissed, like the GJ was, without explanation. It IS a serious distraction.

I think the last two seasons of the Sopranos is a fine example of how you can really destroy a good show with poor writing decisions. I mean spend a season developing the character of Vito or create a compelling ending to one of the greatest series ever?

Starfish:
Funny how this post went from a discussion on the making of dragon’s breath in the fourth season to an all-out shitstorm about how D&D will surely “ruin” the show in season 5. Interesting.

Yeah, you’re right, although almost any thread here contains similar digressions. A bit of extemporaneous thinking isn’t that bad, is it? Like the root system of a weirwood tree, the discussion spreads and invades all sorts of orifices. Sometimes it is rather interesting to see where it leads. In this case, with fire there is always blood.

Funny. Are you sure you don’t want to watch J Snow checking food inventory for the next three seasons. Oh my I forgot spoiler tags, now the unsullied know how many potatoes the men of the night watch have for winter.

Robb resusurected for doggie style with Walder Frey:
Funny. Are you sure you don’t want to watch J Snow checking food inventory for the next three seasons. Oh my I forgot spoiler tags, now the unsullied know how many potatoes the men of the night watch have for winter.

If he’s doing it without wearing pants then, yes, I most certainly do.

Robb resusurected for doggie style with Walder Frey:
Funny. Are you sure you don’t want to watch J Snow checking food inventory for the next three seasons. Oh my I forgot spoiler tags, now the unsullied know how many potatoes the men of the night watch have for winter.

Robb resusurected for doggie style with Walder Frey:
Funny. Are you sure you don’t want to watch J Snow checking food inventory for the next three seasons. Oh my I forgot spoiler tags, now the unsullied know how many potatoes the men of the night watch have for winter.

There’s only a few pages of that. Maybe you’re just reading the same chapter again and again? You could place post it notes on each page you complete. That way you don’t have to face the challenge of trying to remember if you read the page. It worked for Guy Pearce in Memento, maybe it will work for you too.

Why do the dragons have to burn people to show their fire? As young dragons whose powers are increasing, I would assume they’d be blowing flame just to test it out and see how much they can do….it would probably be instinct. Plus, they char their food so even a simple feeding scene could have serious flame action. If no one dies by their fire in this season, I don’t think it’s a big deal. Plenty more flame deaths will surely come in the future and there will be plenty of small opportunities to show their powers and ratchet up the tension as they become more and more dangerous, even to Dany.

umuckurlife:Hodor’s Bastard,
Regarding Barristan’s sample chapter.Is it only in the paperback right now?Any known transcriptions on the web?

I believe it is only “officially” available as part of the US ADwD paperback, which was released last week, but an informal summary, transcriptions from prior Con readings and discussions of it are on the Westeros site. After Bantam and GRRM turn a profit from the paperback sales, then perhaps it might end up “officially” on GRRM’s site. Sorry, I can’t direct you to the various temporary torrent/pirate feeds that have scanned copies of the chapter, but they are out there.

Believe me, I hate the practice of including sample chapters of upcoming novels in paperback versions of books. It is an insult to (and takes advantage of) the dedicated hardback/ebook fans who want more, but this is how GRRM and his publisher want to tease and excite everyone before TWoW.

Don’t get me wrong I love this adaptation but there has been ALOT of oversight in this series thus far. So much that it’s not just the Reader fans that are noticing them.
-Where is the Greatjon? Actor can’t come back? Okay. Then create a device in story that explains that.
-Mention that all the Northern Lords were at the Red Wedding even if you can’t show them

I can think of other examples that could have been rectified with a simple piece of dialogue. This is what frustrates me about the show so much is that they think these things don’t matter or at least that’s the way they come off.I sometimes think it would be better for the show if D & D humbled themselves just a bit. Not enough budget, not enough time? We understand but there’s this conception that they don’t care when probably they actually do care. Or must they maintain that professional detachment to be taken seriously by the HBO big wigs?
I find more and more that GoT is more of a meta experience than a television series.

ya the Greatjon disappearing is really distracting, its the elephant in the room for Robb’s story-line post season 1, I felt there was no real attachment to any of the Northern Lords getting slaughtered during the RW couldn’t they have snuck in SmallJon or Dacey Mormont ? really dropped the ball there :( and Robb’s will…. no mention of it, I wonder if they’ll retcon it back in when they feel they need to…

Rygar,
Apologies, I was in the middle of a task that needed some attention, earlier.

I think I rushed through Joshua’s comment, which reflected me response of “……
I discerned more of him…..” I believe I meant to add ” and I knew this all along
int some very thoughtful comments in previous threads. Whatever the case, mine
are incongruent with Joshua’s comment above. Which isn’t, for the record, dismissing
his observation, but accepting that there’s more to you. Sorry for the confusion.

No judgement, just an observation. That’s all one may do, online. Patterns speak
loudest, in most things, and here, it’s the best reasonable way . In the past
year, I’ve just learned to be indifferent or accepting. There’s much more to speak of
or take notice of, with respects to the subject post.

The last sentence in the two paragraphs by Cat Taylor quoted by WiC: “The final tally, 22 canisters and 400 litres of gas – all for just one day in Essos.”

This may not mean much to Americans but the first time I read this I thought Cat was referring to a day in a petrol/gas station. Esso is the name under which petrol stations owned by ExxonMobile operate in UK and elsewhere.