these protein bars do not have sugar alcohols... and I have eaten them w/o any side effects for years.

I just wondered if the DD are making my system a bit sensitive to the UD?

Hmmm.. that's different. Could you list their ingredients here? Perhaps it's another of those ingredients that is causing the problem, because even though you've been eating them for years, you probably haven't been eating them on a fasted and totally emptied out gut as you are now. You now have nothing in your belly to act as a *buffer* against these bars, if indeed it is one of the ingredients in them in conjunction with a fast that is causing this. Which brings up another question..

Do you have this problem on all UD mornings, regardless of whether you eat the protein bars or whether your first food of the new day is something else, like an egg or piece of chicken or bowl of oatmeal?

I'm just wondering if your gut is responding to all foods this way on your UDs.

I actually know exactly what you are talking about. I've been doing 0 cal DD's, with coffee, water and diet Pepsil. I have to be very careful about how I "break" the fast on UD mornings.

A low fat choice always goes over better, like Fage yogurt or cottage cheese. It's like I have to ease my body back into eating. Usually I can eat pretty normally after that.

fyi--bacon and eggs or anything with mayo are not good choices! (at least for me)

Interesting, Bubs. It sounds like a little protein to settle the tummy into digestion again, slowly, without hitting it with a load of fat, which often gaks many of us out, even when we're not doing any fasting at all.

A good probiotics supplement and/or digestive enzymes might be helpful, if you are eating a different ratio of fat/protein/carbs than you are used to.

Also, have you been using glucomannan, psyllium, or other fibers?
Some people have a strong reaction to them.

I agree that foods which previously never bothered me could be problematic on DDs.
(or the morning after a DD...that's when it's hitting you, right?)

I also take a medication that can affect my stomach (used to do so more than it does now). For a while I took an anti-diarrhea pill every day. I would rather be constipated than have the other problem.

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I certainly have the opposite problem if I do not include enough fresh veggies and fruits in my diet, and it became more pronounced with my return from maintenance to careful JUDDD to get back to goal weight, because I would eat a dense food and then not feel I had the calories for fresh (bad planning!).

If I've ever had the problem you're having, I've traced it to a food. The most recent time was a Kefir that had not been kept under refrigeration properly at the store.

Since we are eating fewer foods, an individual food's impact is more pronounced, and that bad Kefir hit me hard!

If you don't think you ran into something that had "gone bad", as I did, I'd think your problem is coming either from an ingredient that your system has never handled as such a large percentage of your diet (coffee or an ingredient in a processed food, for instance), or from the percentage of fats being greater in your diet. The production of bile to digest fats is complicated, and too much can be released sometimes. Just a thought.

If this is the first time it has happened, you may not run into it again. Hope not!

Since we are eating fewer foods, an individual food's impact is more pronounced, and that bad Kefir hit me hard!

I have no problem with MSG normally, but on DDs I find my chicken broth has me running to the loo. The only thing I can figure is it's from the MSG on an empty stomach. I keep testing the theory, and it happens every time, so I should probably call it confirmed and stop testing!

well, thanks for thoughts. The first time I didn't pay a lot of attention (I do very occasionally very *randomly* have a loose BM, but if it is a one of, oh well). but the last two, were clearly on UD, and with this Cliff protein bar which is a bit like a chocolate bar lol , and the cals make it an UD food for sure. will have to read the label re fat etc. And try having eggs or toast or something different on UD breakfasts... to see if there is any rhyme or reason to this

I am like PJ with the veggies and that may be the only thing I consume on a DD so I have "issues" from time to time.

I also have to limit my use of gluc powder and miracle noodles/ rice. I really can't tolerate sugar alcohols so try to avoid those at all costs. I will only consume something with sugar alcohols in place of an actual laxative in case of the other extreme, which is rare for me.

When I first started JUDDD, I had the trots after every down day...more normal now, but I blamed it on the food I was eating on them...lots of the cabbage, chicken, lc cheese, and shirataki noodles on days when the hunger fairy hit me. I made a big pot of vegetable soup which I used for a few of the early DD's and had the runs afterwards. I froze up a few containers and have had them recently without the bad results, so it wasn't bad food. I think your system has to change a bit with this WOE and until you do, you experience some straaaaaaange things.