Variety: Ben affleck admits to groping Hilarie Burton

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Hayter used his experience and decscribed his physical traits and abilities not because it makes him better or worse as a victim, or to dismiss them, but to frame it from the other victims perspective. They are not as big as him, strong as him, and he still got pulled into a situation like this. Imagine how horrified the other victims must be in that position when they have 0 actual power unlike hayter? That's his entire point

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The context explains what he means. He says he totally doesn't fault/judge people who do use their sex appeal to get ahead if that's what they really want, so to me this implies he might have been tempted to do that, but since he's not gay, it couldn't ever happen.

At least, I think that's what he meant... Not that "if the abuser had been attractive to these women it wouldn't be so bad". Or I hope so, anyway...

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Hayter used his experience and decscribed his physical traits and abilities not because it makes him better or worse as a victim, or to dismiss them, but to frame it from the other victims perspective. They are not as big as him, strong as him, and he still got pulled into a situation like this. Imagine how horrified the other victims must be in that position when they have 0 actual power unlike hayter? That's his entire point

My guess is she meant multiple men were doing it, not just Ben. Golden Globes parties are pretty notorious for the celebs getting boozed up and the mingling during commercials. Wouldn't shock me that some of the guys got a bit too tipsy and thought it'd be funny to goose a few of the women while they were walking around.

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My guess is she meant multiple men were doing it, not just Ben. Golden Globes parties are pretty notorious for the celebs getting boozed up and the mingling during commercials. Wouldn't shock me that some of the guys got a bit too tipsy and thought it'd be funny to goose a few of the women while they were walking around.

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One guy made a move on another guy and the second he said no, it was all over.

So, Hayter is saying if he was smaller or didn't have martial arts training, he might not have felt comfortable saying no. But why is that the "fault" of the producer? Is the producer not allowed to make a move on someone in the event they haven't had combat training?

I understand the inherent power dynamic at play but again, that's not the fault of the producer and shouldn't necessarily preclude him from making a sexual advance, on the proviso that he respects that advance being rebuffed which it was in this case.

Yes, the power dynamic absolutely makes it wrong for the producer to make sexual advances. Its no different from my gay boss at work making sexual advances on me. He holds the power to affect my entire livelihood, rebuffing him would come with considerable risk even if I felt I could kick his ass if he tried to force himself. Thats why its gross no matter the sex or physical size of the person doing it.

Its also gross when a subordinate will come on to a person in power in order to try to advance their career or get ahead of others. Keep business business FFS.

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Yes, the power dynamic absolutely makes it wrong for the producer to make sexual advances. Its no different from my gay boss at work making sexual advances on me. He holds the power to affect my entire livelihood, rebuffing him would come with considerable risk even if I felt I could kick his ass if he tried to force himself. Thats why its gross no matter the sex or physical size of the person doing it.

Its also gross when a subordinate will come on to a person in power in order to try to advance their career or get ahead of others. Keep business business FFS.