<quoted text>all equity as been satisfied through the Blood of Christ, of whom you choose to reject.therefore, you're out there all on your own.....

Whoa! There's that blood fixation again.

What is it with you guys and blood?

When is the penny going to drop with Christianity? Death, martyrdom, suffering, pain, loss, blood, these are not concepts with which any brand would want to be identified. If that's the core of your message, no wonder you've got a problem.

<quoted text>epic fail!i don't see you treating Christ and i how you'd like to be treated, received, and loved unconditionally; instead, you're always accusing and condeming:-(

Do you really understand what the Golden Rule is about?

It's all about ethical goodness on a reciprocal basis and you'll see it manifested in numerous religions in many different words. Jesus mentions it in the NT although he was far from being the first.

I'm sure you'll agree that wishing no harm or suffering on others is understandably a good thing. Yet harm is exactly what your god wishes on people and he expects his followers to obey him and break the Golden Rule.

Surely the merit of any religion isn't what you believe in but more about what you do? In other words, it's all about how you treat your fellow human beings. Extending the same treatment to other people that you would expect them to extend to you is undoubtedly the pinnacle of human ethical behaviour.

Also, if God/Allah/Brahma/Shiva/etc, really do exist, yet they insist that we humans must break the Golden Rule to get to Heaven; then they aren't worth thinking about.

Let's look at the god of the Bible: His main condition for us to get our pass for Heaven is not about treating our fellow humans decently and respectfully. Oh no, the Golden Rule doesn't matter to God. All that matters to him is that we love Jesus more than anyone else and with every fibre of our being.

You may like the idea of spending eternity with such a vain, egotistical, self-centred deity but not me.

<quoted text>Yeah, Oban has a lot right on its doorstep and is a great point to pick up a ferry to Mull, Skye, Lewis, Harris, etc.I've always liked the Islay malts: Laphraoig, Ardbeg, Bowmore, Lagavulin, etc, although they can be a bit peaty for some people.

I grew up in the West of Ireland. Peat smoke is mother's milk to me...

<quoted text>1) Never said that it was. In my opinion you are wrong. Peacefully standing up for rights, takes much more strength than bullying your way through.2) I never said that all Christians are disciples(.) I simply pointed out that there are female disciples found within the bible, after you said females can not be disciples. All the other topics you pulled out of your hat simply to divert the conversation away from the point you made...still stands btw.

i never diverted the conversation away from my position that there is not one example in the New Testament where Jesus commisioned a woman as a disciple to preach the Gospel nor in acts or the epistles where the apostles did. you did NOT provide an example, but you only submitted conjecure and it was extra-biblical conjecure at that!:-)

<quoted text>No. It's not true. You placed the salvation of someone else on another. When does God come in?

huh? mike said that you're better at ministering the Gospel and you mantain that you're a disciple so i was just sending some business your way.

btw - ministering the Gospel in authority and with signs following is not just about being a nicey-nice doormat person. many blasphemers are 'nice' people too but are also as far away from God as heaven is from hell;-)

<quoted text>Whoa! There's that blood fixation again.What is it with you guys and blood?When is the penny going to drop with Christianity? Death, martyrdom, suffering, pain, loss, blood, these are not concepts with which any brand would want to be identified. If that's the core of your message, no wonder you've got a problem.

maybe NoStress can tell you why the Blood of Christ is necessary to atone for sin.....

<quoted text>Do you really understand what the Golden Rule is about?It's all about ethical goodness on a reciprocal basis and you'll see it manifested in numerous religions in many different words. Jesus mentions it in the NT although he was far from being the first.I'm sure you'll agree that wishing no harm or suffering on others is understandably a good thing. Yet harm is exactly what your god wishes on people and he expects his followers to obey him and break the Golden Rule.Surely the merit of any religion isn't what you believe in but more about what you do? In other words, it's all about how you treat your fellow human beings. Extending the same treatment to other people that you would expect them to extend to you is undoubtedly the pinnacle of human ethical behaviour.Also, if God/Allah/Brahma/Shiva/etc, really do exist, yet they insist that we humans must break the Golden Rule to get to Heaven; then they aren't worth thinking about.Let's look at the god of the Bible: His main condition for us to get our pass for Heaven is not about treating our fellow humans decently and respectfully. Oh no, the Golden Rule doesn't matter to God. All that matters to him is that we love Jesus more than anyone else and with every fibre of our being.You may like the idea of spending eternity with such a vain, egotistical, self-centred deity but not me.

i guess like in germany circa 30-40's, the golden rule applies differently according to the culture depending on what you believe. they thought it was their moral obligation to exterminate another race.

i believe God and His idea of morality which doesn't change according to culture.

<quoted text>i guess like in germany circa 30-40's, the golden rule applies differently according to the culture depending on what you believe. they thought it was their moral obligation to exterminate another race.i believe God and His idea of morality which doesn't change according to culture.

The Germany of 1930s and 1940s was an overwhelmingly Christian nation. Much more so than the US is now.

The vast majority of the German population was Christian, as was the religious clergy.

The ethics and morals of an overwhelmingly Christian country were all that stood between the Jews and death.

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