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New Audi A8 due by end of 2017.Complete autonomous driving for a single lane on the highway while under 35mph. It is based on their jack prototype and uses mobileye eyeq3 chip on a board called zFAS. Its latest sensors include 12 Ultrasonics, 8 Radars, 4 Top View Camera, 1 Wide View Front Camera and 2 Lidars (Forward & Rear)

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Jack Prototype in Action

Nissan in 2018"Complete autonomous driving for all driving situation on the highway."
Propilot 2.0 (multi-lane) Based on their Nissan Intelligent Driving platform, uses 5 Radars, 4 Lidars and 8 (12 now) surround cameras. It uses the mobileye eyeq4 chip including REM map of every highway in partnership with Zenrin.

"Revolutionary piloted driving tech has been confirmed for the A8. Long-range radar sensors, 12 ultrasonic sensors, laser scanners and hi-resolution video cameras will constantly monitor the car’s surroundings, with the system also able to guide a car safely through traffic jams at up to speeds of 37mph."

What kind of revolution is that? Lots of expensive hardware and can only function at 37 mph?

I was crowing that my Tesla AP2 is able to take any curve as long as posted speed limit signs are observed and owners were hopping mad because they said most don't observe speed limits. I was citing CA-99 for 70 mph and here, you are talking about 37 mph?

"Revolutionary piloted driving tech has been confirmed for the A8. Long-range radar sensors, 12 ultrasonic sensors, laser scanners and hi-resolution video cameras will constantly monitor the car’s surroundings, with the system also able to guide a car safely through traffic jams at up to speeds of 37mph."

What kind of revolution is that? Lots of expensive hardware and can only function at 37 mph?

I was crowing that my Tesla AP2 is able to take any curve as long as posted speed limit signs are observed and owners were hopping mad because they said most don't observe speed limits. I was citing CA-99 for 70 mph and here, you are talking about 37 mph?

Really?

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Wait do you realize whats being discussed here? Level 3 self driving where you don't have to monitor your car? where you can watch videos, text, work on presentation, finish homework, skype. You can do anything but sleep...scratch that you can sleep, all you need is a sun glasses and the car will wake you up when it needs you.

Do any of that in a tesla and you wake up dead, in a hospital or paying some expensive bill for body work on your tesla.
why? cause your tesla went over the yellow/white lane, failed the curve, crashed into the concrete side barrier, went over the road edge, didn't/stopped recognize the car ahead so crashed into it, false positive braking for freeway signs and bridges cause rear ends, truck lust, didn't see car cutting in its lane, didn't see car half way in its lane, taking exits, misreading ambiguous lane lines, using old painted lanes, cant avoid crashing into barriers/ other cars etc. these are things that occur in daily trip of a tesla.

Do you know how many people drive in traffic jam daily to and from work to downtown? I know people who drive 90 mins in traffic going who would love to spend the 90 minutes on something useful. I personally have 30 mins of traffic going to work and 30 mins coming home.

The system is also future proof so it can be software updated to increase the speed and remove some other restrictions and unlock other functions.

Wait do you realize whats being discussed here? Level 3 self driving where you don't have to monitor your car? where you can watch videos, text, work on presentation, finish homework, skype. You can do anything but sleep...scratch that you can sleep, all you need is a sun glasses and the car will wake you up when it needs you.

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The system is also future proof so it can be software updated to increase the speed and remove some other restrictions and unlock other functions.

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Preliminary implementation on the Audi is not what you describe... the driver has to be ready to take over at any time. It's basically something similar to Tesla AP1 and Mercedes DrivePilot, but speed limited to 37 mph. Makes sense since it is based on the same Mobileye EyeQ3 chip. We will have to see how it really performs when it ships.

Preliminary implementation on the Audi is not what you describe... the driver has to be ready to take over at any time. It's basically something similar to Tesla AP1 and Mercedes DrivePilot, but speed limited to 37 mph. Makes sense since it is based on the same Mobileye EyeQ3 chip. We will have to see how it really performs when it ships.

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Hugely incorrect, there is a 15 seconds handover period. its not like tesla autopilot, there are no instantaneous disengagement. This is a level 3 car not some barely working lane keeping and adaptive cruise control system.

Here is how L3 driving is defined, quote: "the driving mode-specific performance by an automated driving system of all aspects of the dynamic driving task with the expectation that the human driver will respond appropriately to a request to intervene "

Sounds like what EAP is targeted to do but with far fewer sensors than any of the car systems you listed, none of which are for sale yet.

Wait do you realize whats being discussed here? Level 3 self driving where you don't have to monitor your car? where you can watch videos, text, work on presentation, finish homework, skype. You can do anything but sleep...scratch that you can sleep

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Your analysis is incorrect. In an L3 car you have to be actively monitoring the environment outside the car and be ready to take over at a moment's notice.

Here is how L3 driving is defined, quote: "the driving mode-specific performance by an automated driving system of all aspects of the dynamic driving task with the expectation that the human driver will respond appropriately to a request to intervene "

Sounds like what EAP is targeted to do but with far fewer sensors than any of the car systems you listed, none of which are for sale yet.

Your analysis is incorrect. In an L3 car you have to be actively monitoring the environment outside the car and be ready to take over at a moment's notice.

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Incorrect, EAP is a l2 driver assistance not a l3 self driving car, this is found on tesla.com/autopilot.

L3 requires you to be able to read a book/watch movies and not pay attention to the environment and also requires tgat a request to intervene comes with 15-30 seconds grace period

Here is the SAE levels:

SAE automated vehicle classifications:

Level 0: Automated system issues warnings but has no vehicle control.

Level 1 (”hands on”): Driver and automated system shares control over the vehicle. An example would be Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) where the driver controls steering and the automated system controls speed. Using Parking Assistance, steering is automated while speed is manual. The driver must be ready to retake full control at any time. Lane Keeping Assistance (LKA) Type II is a further example of level 1 self driving.

Level 2 (”hands off”): The automated system takes full control of the vehicle (accelerating, braking, and steering). The driver must monitor the driving and be prepared to immediately intervene at any time if the automated system fails to respond properly. The shorthand ”hands off” is not meant to be taken literally. In fact, contact between hand and wheel is often mandatory during SAE 2 driving, to confirm that the driver is ready to intervene.

Level 3 (”eyes off”): The driver can safely turn their attention away from the driving tasks, e.g. the driver can text or watch a movie. The vehicle will handle situations that call for an immediate response, like emergency braking. The driver must still be prepared to intervene within some limited time, specified by the manufacturer, when called upon by the vehicle to do so.

Level 4 (”mind off”): As level 3, but no driver attention is ever required for safety, i.e. the driver may safely go to sleep or leave the driver's seat. Self driving is supported only in limited areas (geofenced) or under special circumstances, like traffic jams. Outside of these areas or circumstances, the vehicle must be able to safely abort the trip, i.e. park the car, if the driver does not retake control.

Level 5 (”wheel optional”): No human intervention is required. An example would be a robot taxi.

Here is toyota explaining it to you just incase you still have any doubts.

19 mins

You dont monitor the surroundings at l3
Theres a reason its refered to as eyes off and l2 is refered to as hands off and l4 is referred to as mind off

New Audi A8 due by end of 2017.Complete autonomous driving for a single lane on the highway while under 35mph.

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Had to do double take on this. So this is only level 3 for heavy traffic? What happens if the traffic starts moving again?
The Volvo is a small pilot program. The Honda has no details. Only the Nissan on seems serious.

Had to do double take on this. So this is only level 3 for heavy traffic? What happens if the traffic starts moving again?
The Volvo is a small pilot program. The Honda has no details. Only the Nissan on seems serious.

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The volvo is not a small pilot program. The program you are talking about is already underway right now in sweden. But according to Mobileye they will release a L3 car in 2019 using their eyeQ4 technology.

Im assuming something like When traffic exceeds 40 mph for a considerable amount of time then it will alert you that piloted driving is about to disengage in 15 seconds then it will give u a count down.

Secondly whats with the double take? This is the first L3 self driving cars. Its not some lane keep assist/ adaptive cruise control system that relies strictly on lanes and crashes you into the shoulder, barriers, or other cars when its lane disappears. its actually monitoring the environment based on their jack prototype (which is full highway autonomy).

Its a game changer and just as serious as nissan. Im doing a double take on tesla lack of l3 self driving. All i see is barely l2 driver assistance including eap.

EDIT: I'm pretty confident that as they grow confident in the performance and safety that they will increase the speed progressively. I don't believe anyone will just show up and release a L4 highway car without already having L3. Releasing L3 allows you to gauge its performance and how customer uses it.

This system has actually be in development and was ready back in 2013. But they pushed it to reach full highway autonomy and develop their central computer which was ready in 2015. what is being released is actually the full version that's been limited.

It is nice to have a safe vehicle and indeed, Google/Waymo has come out with its Koala vehicle that has no steering wheel, no brake pedal, and no accelerator. The blinds have been able to use it for about 3 years already.

The problem is its maximum speed is 35 mph.

Low speed is fine for safety but it is not practical for me who drive mostly on freeways.

The volvo is not a small pilot program. The program you are talking about is already underway right now in sweden. But according to Mobileye they will release a L3 car in 2019 using their eyeQ4 technology.

Im assuming something like When traffic exceeds 40 mph for a considerable amount of time then it will alert you that piloted driving is about to disengage in 15 seconds then it will give u a count down.

Secondly whats with the double take? This is the first L3 self driving cars. Its not some lane keep assist/ adaptive cruise control system that relies strictly on lanes and crashes you into the shoulder, barriers, or other cars when its lane disappears. its actually monitoring the environment based on their jack prototype (which is full highway autonomy).

Its a game changer and just as serious as nissan. Im doing a double take on tesla lack of l3 self driving. All i see is barely l2 driver assistance including eap.

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My double take was on the highway limitation at 35mph. That seems like an extremely narrow use case. 35mph is more suitable for local usage.

EDIT: I'm pretty confident that as they grow confident in the performance and safety that they will increase the speed progressively. I don't believe anyone will just show up and release a L4 highway car without already having L3. Releasing L3 allows you to gauge its performance and how customer uses it.

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Both Volvo and Ford have publicly said that they plan to skip L3 completely and that they feel it is the most dangerous level because of the handoff period. Waymo exclusively works on L3/L4. So I would not be surprised to see automakers just go to L4/L5 directly and not release L3.

My double take was on the highway limitation at 35mph. That seems like an extremely narrow use case. 35mph is more suitable for local usage.

Both Volvo and Ford have publicly said that they plan to skip L3 completely and that they feel it is the most dangerous level because of the handoff period. Waymo exclusively works on L3/L4. So I would not be surprised to see automakers just go to L4/L5 directly and not release L3.

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I knew Volvo had doubts on L3 before and I thought that changed since mobileye listed them going into production in 2019. but I just found a article from April 2017 of them denouncing it. So either they changed their mind or they are still gonna release a hardware product in 2019 but have the software offline for validation or something.

“In this mode the car is in charge of the driving, yet the driver must still be prepared to take over in case of emergency, which could be a matter of a few seconds. Volvo considers this Level 3 driving mode unsafe and will thus skip this level of autonomous driving,” Mr Samuelsson said.

Personally I think the argument against L3 is dumb and simply shows lack of progress on deployable platform as we see from Ford. I believe ford wont have L4 in 2021 or any time close to it. They are by far the last, they don't even have a L2 (even though L2 system is not a good indicator).

Also Waymo have come out against L3 aswell.

Lets not rule out GM aswell, although they haven't said anything publically I believe.

It is nice to have a safe vehicle and indeed, Google/Waymo has come out with its Koala vehicle that has no steering wheel, no brake pedal, and no accelerator. The blinds have been able to use it for about 3 years already.

The problem is its maximum speed is 35 mph.

Low speed is fine for safety but it is not practical for me who drive mostly on freeways.

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Their Koala car has a 35 mph limit because there are no airbags, crumble zone, and a ton of other missing hardware safety features of a regular car. If you get into a high speed accident in that...your as good as dead.
Their other cars don't have that limit (lexus and Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid minivans)

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