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You are wrong. The fanbase is holding out hope that Clark knows Pioli has got to go. If that doesn't happen the STHs will speak with their wallets.

That's a valid point. I was speaking from from a point of view of the more than a half empty stadium at each home game. However, empty seats really doesn't resonate with Clark if they're already paid for.

1. Haley
2. Cassel
3. Crennel
4. Failing to address the OL in his first year. TJ was a huge reach at number 3 with a draft heavy in quality OL in the first round.

I was actually persuaded to come on board with the above choices, and was actually pretty optimistic. How wrong I was. But then, I don't get paid millions to build an NFL franchise. These choices that Pioli made are the top 4 reasons we are 2-14 today.

1. Haley
2. Cassel
3. Crennel
4. Failing to address the OL in his first year. TJ was a huge reach at number 3 with a draft heavy in quality OL in the first round.

I was actually persuaded to come on board with the above choices, and was actually pretty optimistic. How wrong I was. But then, I don't get paid millions to build an NFL franchise. These choices that Pioli made are the top 4 reasons we are 2-14 today.

I don't think there is one all-pro in there. The 2009 draft was just bad. The players picked after Jackson were

- Aaron Curry (cut by 2 teams)
- Sanchez (awful)
- Andre Smith (played 13 games his first two seasons, never made it as a LT but is starting RT for the Bengals now)
- Darius Heyward-Bey (Been pretty "meh" for his career to date)
- Eugene Monroe (probably the best of the group, but KC had a LT)
- B.J. Raji (had a pro-bowl season and has been awful since)
- Michael Crabtree (finally starting to come around in his 4th year)
- Aaron Maybin (been cut from several teams)
- Knowshon Moreno (he was going nowhere until McGahee got hurt and Manning arrived)
- Brian Orakpo (he's the bets player on this list)

I think we've all put a lot of emphasis on thinking that 1st rounders are always can't-miss studs that play in the league for the next 12 years. The reality is, Jackson was a good first round pick for several reasons.

1.) KC was moving to a 3-4 defense and desperately needed 3-4 DEs.
2.) Tyson Jackson has been a solid run-stopping 3-4 DE.
3.) He's still on the team and playing well.

When you have high expectations for 1st rounders, I'd say 90% of the time you're going to be let down. But if a team is constantly plucking players out that contribute for 5+ years, is that really a bad thing?

I don't think there is one all-pro in there. The 2009 draft was just bad. The players picked after Jackson were

- Aaron Curry (cut by 2 teams)
- Sanchez (awful)
- Andre Smith (played 13 games his first two seasons, never made it as a LT but is starting RT for the Bengals now)
- Darius Heyward-Bey (Been pretty "meh" for his career to date)
- Eugene Monroe (probably the best of the group, but KC had a LT)
- B.J. Raji (had a pro-bowl season and has been awful since)
- Michael Crabtree (finally starting to come around in his 4th year)
- Aaron Maybin (been cut from several teams)
- Knowshon Moreno (he was going nowhere until McGahee got hurt and Manning arrived)
- Brian Orakpo (he's the bets player on this list)

I think we've all put a lot of emphasis on thinking that 1st rounders are always can't-miss studs that play in the league for the next 12 years. The reality is, Jackson was a good first round pick for several reasons.

1.) KC was moving to a 3-4 defense and desperately needed 3-4 DEs.
2.) Tyson Jackson has been a solid run-stopping 3-4 DE.
3.) He's still on the team and playing well.

When you have high expectations for 1st rounders, I'd say 90% of the time you're going to be let down. But if a team is constantly plucking players out that contribute for 5+ years, is that really a bad thing?

We could have found a spot on out OL for Monroe. If you'll remember, Albert played guard along side of Monroe at Virginia. And obviously Orapko should have been the pick over TJ (If going defense, which I didn't agree with). We screwed that draft up.

Last edited by Bike; 12-19-2012 at 11:24 AM.
Reason: Had to go to the bathroom.

We could have found a spot on out OL for Monroe. If you'll remember, Albert played guard along side of Monroe at Virginia. And obviously Orapko should have been the pick over TJ. We screwed that draft up.

I agree that's the ideal situation. But keep in mind that 12 other teams passed on Orakpo too. Hindsight always says to take the best player that came out of the draft.