Apodictic wrote:ADJECTIVE
formal - Clearly established or beyond dispute.
expressing or of the nature of necessary truth or absolute certainty

a handy word that can describe a conclusive concept, a conclusive person, or even that conclusive person's conclusive remarks.

-- https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/apodictic
1. incontestable because of having been demonstrated or proved to be demonstrable.
2. Logic. (of a proposition) necessarily true or logically certain.
-- http://www.dictionary.com/browse/apodictic
Propositions that are demonstrably, necessarily or self-evidently the case.
Apodictic propositions contrast with assertoric propositions, which merely assert that something is (or is not) the case, and with problematic propositions, which assert only the possibility of something being true.

Example:He expressed his opinions apodictically.It would have a necessary influence, or what philosophers sometimes call apodictic force.
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Philosophers sometimes inform the reader that they are going to speak in a apodictic mode or apodictically. Not having to make the normal qualifications and offer proofs does speed up the delivery.

Scientists and scholars tend to be cautious and speak in a decidedly non-apodictic mode.
The first 2 steps of the following sutta illustrates a non-apodictic mode of speech.

Aṅguttara Nikāya wrote:
5. Book of the Fives
159. About Udayin

“It’s not easy to teach the Dhamma to others, Ananda. The Dhamma should be taught to others only when five qualities are established within the person teaching. Which five?

“[1] The Dhamma should be taught with the thought, ‘I will speak step-by-step.’
“[2] The Dhamma should be taught with the thought, ‘I will speak explaining the sequence [of cause & effect].’
“[3] The Dhamma should be taught with the thought, ‘I will speak out of compassion.’
“[4] The Dhamma should be taught with the thought, ‘I will speak not for the purpose of material reward.’
“[5] The Dhamma should be taught with the thought, ‘I will speak without hurting myself or others.’
-- https://suttacentral.net/en/an5.159

The dharma suggests having a kind of apodictic or assertoric faith or confidence but to teach it non-apodictically -- as something that needs to be carefully understood and demonstrated.

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So along with the U.S., Bolivia, and Paraguay, that will make 4 nations out of roughly 200 nations on earth. Start of a trend?

Multiple your number by 2 then add 1 according to your source.

Guatemala was one of nine nations that voted with the United States and Israel on Thursday when the U.N. General Assembly overwhelmingly adopted a non-binding resolution denouncing Trump's recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital.

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Palestinian Foreign Minister Riyad al-Malki criticized the decision Monday, saying in a statement Morales was "dragging his country to the wrong side of history by committing a flagrant violation of international law."

(Was that a apodictic or assertoric statement?)
In the right hands international law is even more elastic than the new trend.

So along with the U.S., Bolivia, and Paraguay, that will make 4 nations out of roughly 200 nations on earth. Start of a trend?

Maybe they were bullied (but maybe not). Regardless, today I watched a video on the 1967 Six Day War (given I knew nothing much about it) & found myself sort of cheering for the Israelis (despite their excessive use of military force in the Sinai). Those vain Arabs were so dumb & in error.

Small world! What years were you there? I made friends with Israelis and Palestinians too, the secular types. I often rode my bicycle through Palestinian areas on Saturday (sabbath) because if I go through Jewish neighborhoods, some fanatics would throw rocks at me (forbidden for Jews to work or exercise on sabbath).

An aside, but what is it with rocks, and Abrahamic faiths? Gosh, there must be a lot of rocks just lying around, in that part of the world.

Knowing this body is like a clay jar,
securing this mind like a fort,
attack Mara with the spear of discernment,
then guard what's won without settling there,
without laying claim.
- Dhp 40

An aside, but what is it with rocks, and Abrahamic faiths? Gosh, there must be a lot of rocks just lying around, in that part of the world.

Yes, lots of rocks lying around; Israel and Palestine, like other nations around there are right in the desert and lots of construction going on all the time, plus natural rocks lying around and buildings being torn down to put up new ones. And the Israeli military has had a habit of tearing down Palestinian homes of people they don't like, creating more rubble and rocks.

And then there are some "holy" rocks there too. The famous Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem contains a very large black rock that is said to be the place where Abraham almost performed a human sacrifice on his son and also the place where Muhammad went to heaven. And the Wailing - Western Wall is a series of boulders, said to be the only remaining perimeter wall from the Second Temple.

Just in case you ever get the idea that humans are basically smart and decent, go to Jerusalem. You'll find that people only believe what they've been taught to believe.
And will fight to keep their fantasies. There is no solution to this.

Exclusion, Alientation, and "Other" are ridicilious. You don't win by using the same themes in combating those themes. That has been shown over and over and over.

So you agree with the my opening post that the US-Israeli govt group won't win by calling on world Jewry to protest to (other) govts for the exclusion & alienation of others won't be beneficial. Well done.

I think a powerful practice for you in life will be to avoid twisting peoples narratives into fitting into your own.

Its more powerful to be a Buddhist that trusts in the law of kamma rather than believe a certain group of people are a 'Chosen People' therefore all members of that group are faultless & immune from the laws of kamma.

Just in case you ever get the idea that humans are basically smart and decent, go to Jerusalem. You'll find that people only believe what they've been taught to believe.
And will fight to keep their fantasies. There is no solution to this.

No need to go so far. I step outside of my place and see the same thing. oy vay!

I think a powerful practice for you in life will be to avoid twisting peoples narratives into fitting into your own.

Its more powerful to be a Buddhist that trusts in the law of kamma rather than believe a certain group of people are a 'Chosen People' therefore all members of that group are faultless & immune from the laws of kamma.

Sorry but I can't trust what you say because I think it is chauvinist & emotionally sentimental.

You picked a perspective and thus got tunnel vision and created self and other based on the positions on the position.

Because you picked one and invested yourself you assumed when others challenged or brought up dimensions that didn't fit into the narrative (All narratives fall short in life and don't include everything...) you assumed I stood for the standard opposing narrative (which I don't)

This is why I pointed out that 1. you need to not get trapped into tunnel vision around complex and difficult situations in this world, 2. you need to realize that creating aversion and attachment around ideas/perspectives/etc are rarely helpful and inherently divide and strengthen the meta backgrounds that create a lot of the problems you are referencing in your posts, 3. you need to not have so much division deep down around other people. We are all one family and that family goes past humanity too. This is all existence and we are a family in existence. All made up of existence

All in all don't let yourself get stuck in tunnel vision and especially not around character traits such as alientation, aggression, and self-limiting. It is the main root of the problems that you so want to draw attention to.

Best of luck and don't do a speedy reply trying to get "one up" on this invisible guy you have no idea about. Just really think about what was said and how you can maybe be a better you.

We are all one family and that family goes past humanity too. This is all existence and we are a family in existence. All made up of existence.

In five ways, young householder, the parents thus ministered to as the East by their children, show their compassion:

(i) they restrain them from evil,
(ii) they encourage them to do good,
(iii) they train them for a profession,
(iv) they arrange a suitable marriage,
(v) at the proper time they hand over their inheritance to them.

We are all one family and that family goes past humanity too. This is all existence and we are a family in existence. All made up of existence.

In five ways, young householder, the parents thus ministered to as the East by their children, show their compassion:

(i) they restrain them from evil,
(ii) they encourage them to do good,
(iii) they train them for a profession,
(iv) they arrange a suitable marriage,
(v) at the proper time they hand over their inheritance to them.