And this from the man who frequently quotes the ex bankrupt, four times convicted Paul Staines

I look forward to seeing you supply the evidence for the above. Are you trying to play the same silly games as he who must not be mentioned? Just one quote will suffice. Failing that an apology will fit the bill nicely.

"so predictable and so shabby. Yup. look at Labour in Peterborough having a criminal convicted of electoral fraud helping in the last couple of elections,with the postal votes concentrated in one ward. Political correctness and accusations of waycism are inhibiting the clean up of these Augean stables."

And this from the man who frequently quotes the ex bankrupt, four times convicted Paul Staines.

so predictable and so shabby Yup. look at Labour in Peterborough having a criminal convicted of electoral fraud helping in the last couple of elections,with the postal votes concentrated in one ward. Political correctness and accusations of waycism are inhibiting the clean up of these Augean stables.

“For the Parliamentary by-election held on 6 June 2019 there were 13,682 postal votes issued”, an official announcement from Peterborough’s returning officer began. “9,898 of these were returned of which 400 were rejected due to either the signature or date of birth (or both) not matching our records.” The number of votes cast at the various polling stations across the City was 24,500. Overall, the total number of verified ballot papers (including the almost 10,000 postal votes that made their way to the count room) was 33,998.

This means that of the votes counted that led to the win of Labour’s anti-semitic candidate Lisa Forbes, a whopping 29% were postal votes – a method of voting renowned for the way in which it is easily manipulated by election-riggers like Tariq Mahmood and his murky associates.

The jaw-dropping figure also equates to a staggering 69.6% valid return rate of all postal votes sent out. But that wasn’t the only shock in store for Peterborians and citizens across the country, as the council’s statement also unwittingly exposed the equally damning results of the 2017 snap election, which saw incumbent Tory Brexiteer Stewart Jackson lose his seat to criminal Fiona Onasanya by under 700 votes.

“In the 2017 Parliamentary election for the Peterborough constituency there were 14,293 postal votes issued” the announcement continued. “11,930 of these were returned of which 379 were rejected due to either the signature or date of birth (or both) not matching our records. This equates to 81% valid return rate”,

During both elections – for Labour’s Onasanya and Labour’s Lisa Forbes – close friend of Peterborough Labour leader Shaz Nawaz, convicted vote-rigger Tariq Mahmood, was hired to play a key role in the election campaign team and on both occasions, despite his fondness for destroying democracy, was given exclusive access to the election count room.

Well, to drag matters back from opportunistic and sour-grapist attacks on "Labour's antisemitism," so predictable and so shabby, there's a piece in today's Guardian ("EU view of Tory leadership candidates deeply critical, say sources") that should burst the over-optimistic and hubristic bubble in which the leading candidates appear to exist. Johnson, Raab and Hunt are all, in turn, excoriated and shrugged at. If they really think that the EU is in any shape or form going to reopen negotiations on "the deal" then they are sadly deluded. No matter who wins the poisoned chalice they will simply be Theresa May Mk II as far as the EU is concerned. Not only that, there will still be no parliamentary majority for the Tories and no majority for anything remotely like anything that's been on the table so far, certainly not for no-deal. I note that talk of the 39 billion is in the offing again. Just think about the reaction of our biggest trading partner if we crash out and refuse to pay our dues...

The Tory leadership bid is just as amazingly unreal as the whole bloody brexit shambles. One noticeable thing from the Guardian piece, however, is that Gove doesn't figure in it. In spite of his obnoxiously-patronising attitude and his sheer hypocrisy over his drug-taking (about which, frankly, I give not a shit, even though I've never taken an illicit substance in my life), I have a funny feeling that he'd be the least bad of a bloody awful bunch...

You could point out that all the facts are substantiated by a report from the media reform coilition, John, but that would encourage him to greater heights of nonsensical invective. Far better just to leave it to the moderation team. Nowt to do with brexit so quite rightly destined for the bin.

A letter here, from a number of eminent individuals with intellects immensely superior to that of our Resident Right-Wing Extremist, and minds considerably more open than his, expressing concern about biased reporting of alleged ‘anti-semitism’ in the LP, and Jeremy Corbyn in particular.

There is a major distinction to be made between signing a petition 1)to rerun a perfectly legal referendum because you cannot accept the majority vote 2)to investigate potential electoral fraud, in an area where previous criminal activity has been associated with voting irregularities.

If you think both petitions are the same further discussion with you is pointless, because you obviously lack the knowledge to be able to differentiate between a potential crime and a refusal to accept a democratic vote. Your recent contributions are merely intended to provoke instead of addressing the issues. Your Peterborough Labour MP has now been castigated by 6 Labour MPs for her antisemitic stance and yet Corbyn refuses to act. Do you not think that is a matter for concern, especially in the light of a recently initiated formal investigation into antisemitism within the Labour Party? Your attempts here to trivialise and mock their nvestigation will have zero impact on its outcome.

Ok, back to Brexit. Here is a LONG youtube article which is an interview from last December between Rory Stewart, now a prospective candidate for PM, and James O'Brien. As a reminder, that was around six months before May resigned.

As I have said before, to me Rory Stewart talks more sense than any of the other potential PMs. However, because he goes for sense rather than cheer-leading, he stands little or no prospect of success.

Well needless to say my last line was written tongue in cheek. After all as I stated above Peterborough City council signed-up to a government pilot scheme that would legally require voters to attend polling stations with their passport or other form of ID in order to vote. Peterborough's participation in this logical scheme was curiously cancelled shortly before the snap-election called by Theresa May in 2018. The wily demographic of Peterborough named have extensive form for election fraud confirmed by the governments own report.

I suspect there is much more to be said about this particular by-election.

Has the lack of progress on Brexit also stalled the recommended reforms?

Perhaps. It is obvious that those who promoted Brexit in the first place grossly underestimated how difficult it would be, and the inevitable complexity has prevented all sorts of things being carries out. And no, leaving with no deal would not have solved the complexity, because we would - and will if that happens - then be swapped trying to cope with the consequences of that.

1)the elected MP is on record in public media for antisemitic remarks 2)Peterborough has one of the highest concentration of Moslems in the UK From the Guardian: For Amjad Iqbal and Shabina Qayyum, two Peterborough councillors, the result highlighted the importance of Labour support in the Asian community. "I would say the Muslim vote played a vital role in Lisa Forbes's success," Iqbal said. 3)The turnout for the postal vote was 69.4% 4)Vetting for a postal vote is far more rigorous in northern Ireland, compared to mainland Britain.(Why is that I wonder?) 5) in recent years, Peterborough City council signed-up to a government pilot scheme that would legally require voters to attend polling stations with their passport or other form of ID in order to vote. This, although doing nothing to prevent postal fraud, would have had a positive impact in tackling vote-rigging. Peterborough's participation in this logical scheme, however, was curiously cancelled by the local government shortly before the snap-election called by Theresa May in 2018. 6)Tariq Mahmood, found himself behind bars in recent years over his involvement in a Labour-led vote-rigging scandal that cost the taxpayer over £1m to investigate, and also resulted in the arrest and eventual imprisonment of a former Labour Mayor. In 2008, Labour's Mohammed Choudhary, 49, former mayor of Peterborough, Cambridgeshire, was jailed at King's Lynn Crown Court. Party candidate Maqbool Hussein, 52, was jailed for three months and Tariq Mahmood, 40, received a 15-month term.All three from Peterborough, were convicted of forgery over a scheme to fabricate votes for the Peterborough city council election in June 2004. "They were able to get hold of postal and proxy votes which belonged to voters in the central ward," prosecuting QC Anthony Leonard said. 7)The results in last years election – as with the majority of those before it – provide shocking reading, with Labour Fiona Onasanya beating Tory Brexiteer Stewart Jackson by a mere 607 votes, whilst the number of postal votes, particularly from central wards with a considerably high Pakistani community, being among the highest Peterborough had seen. 8)Lisa Thorbes won this time by a majority of 683 9) Up until the election of Fiona Onasanya the seat had been in Conservative hands since 1929 ! 10)The convicted vote-rigger Tariq Mahmood was ONCE AGAIN employed by the local Labour election team and by Lisa Forbes in the latest election. 11)In 2015, a Peterborough Tory candidate made national headlines after his car was set on fire during his election campaign – allegedly by local Labour Pakistani youths who had attacked him to dissuade him from continuing to stand. A petrol bomb was also thrown at his front door, but luckily there were no casualties. 12)In 2016, Lord Pickles released a thorough official report as the culmination of an extensive investigation into the causes of electoral fraud in Britain.In the report commissioned by the Government, Sir Eric Pickles, the former Conservative Cabinet minister, warned that the authorities are in a "state of denial" and are "turning a blind eye" to election fraud due to "political correctness". He revealed strong evidence of voter fraud "especially in communities of Pakistani and Bangladeshi background" but that the cases have been ignored because of "over-sensitivities about ethnicity and religion".

If you do not think that the postal voting needs to be investigated then you obviously no longer believe in Democracy and intend to win for the left by any means.

To borrow a well-known expression, coined by BrexShitters after their narrow majority in the Referendum (a majority which Froggy Farage stated prior to the Referendum that, should it be in favour of Remain, would be unacceptable and which would give rise to his demanding a re-run of the Referendum) - “We won, get over it!”.

For the last conservative MP elected in Perborough the breakdown was as follows

Majority: 2,740 Electorate: 67,499 Total number of votes cast: 41,204 Adjusted turnout: 61 Number of postal votes cast: 9,149 Number of proxy votes cast: 130 Number of rejected votes: 78

The electoral Commissioners have not released the breakdown for the by election yet(as far as I am aware) It is interesting just how high the postal vote was and I suspect this time it would be the same or larger. I find it unbelievable that Labour employed persons known to have been convicted of tampering with previous elections. Hence the concern over the propriety of the postal vote.( the petition is now 7.5k+ )

I just opened it count now over 4600.I think their platform is a tad unstable today. They also had a petition concerning the EU voting shambles for expats in Europe. So unlikely to be breaching any guidelines concerning voting.

Well it looks as though the Change.org petition linked to above has been pulled. As we're into loser sour-grape conspiracy theory territory this morning, might I suggest that it was pulled because it breached the community guidelines? :-)

I believe it was Goebbels that said "accuse the other side of that which you are guilty".

I see his spirit lives on here and in the press. I suspect the nicotine stained toad is channelling him. Luckily most people are now wise to those tricks but sadly there are still those who suck up every bit of shit their masters feed them. I suppose we should feel sorry for them but the damage they do is unforgivable.

TheBrexit party was subjected to smears that had no substance. Obviously the same cannot be said of Labour. The evidence against Labour is overwhelming, even coming from their own party members and MPs.

It would seem another hero of the right wing has been filmed hitting someone outside a football match in Portugal.

Yaxley-Lennon who's "criminal record includes convictions for violence, financial and immigration frauds, drug possession, public order offences, and contempt of court." (wiki) can be seen in the link below.

No matter how much you try to trivialise, disparage or deny it, the Labour party has a problem with antisemitism. Further I would posit that the new MP for Peterborough deliberately played her racist card to appeal to a discrete demographic. The population of Peterborough is approx, 200.000 of which 11.7% are Moslem(the highest percentage of anywhere in the UK) To extrapolate the election results to elsewhere in the country without taking into account the demographics (and reluctance to integrate of the appreciable Pakistani population) will lead to surprises come election time. This particular election was fought in a very dirty way. Labour did not win a massive victory,they swung an election by pandering to a minority, telling them what they wanted to hear. This is disgraceful hence the reason Labour MPs, quoted above, said what they said. The facts are what they are and cannot be disputed. Farage standing in front of a poster is small beer in comparison.Throwing your usual insults at me does not change the facts one iota. Playing the racist card to get elected is not something the labour party can be proud of. It will come back to haunt them as more and more people wake up to their machinations.

I fear it might be more subtle than that, Steve. By analogy, consider the Mapplethorpe legal case:

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There was a good documentary/re-enactment account of this in a film unfortunately called 'Dirty Pictures' (which I had to account for recording to my wife and daughter, but that's another story). At the end of the film a spokesman for the Christian right wing who brought the case was asked about how they felt about losing. "We didn't lose", they responded "Faced with the costs, legal battles and effort required, no other art gallery in the country will show this or similar material without thinking very hard."

And it is the same with the Brexit Party. The influence it has in achieving its goals is far more significant than winning seats. And in that sense, it is winning. (Another good example, by the way, of how an accurate statistic - they have no seats - is misleading rather than informative.)

Steve, I think we both know that an attention-seeking, trolling, Right-Wing Extremist fan-boy of hate-mongers like Farage, Staines, and Yaxley-Lennon really is a worthless waste of protoplasm.

Attempting intelligent discourse with him is pointless - he has no desire to discuss or debate, his damaged psyche demands only that he ‘wins’, in any way, and by any means at his disposal. He’s a sick, sick puppy.

I’m back to ignoring the TC, and I’d recommend everyone else to do the same.

And it doesn't need mathermagic to realise that we won Peterborough with an increased majority in spite of a much-reduced turnout. Well, you seem to have fallen out of love with the system! And another thing: you told us remain voters to go suck it up. That we should expect to be ignored because we lost. That we have no say and should bloody shut up. You've had the numbers for this by-election, resident chewer of the sourest of sour grapes. Here's something for you to contemplate: I don't know of any constituency in the country which had more leave Labour voters than remain Labour voters. Stick that in your festering mathermagic pipe and smoke it. Last night stuffed the brexit party, and I think you know it. Farage is a serial loser, no position gained after seven attempts, and last night he abandoned ship and crept out of the back door. You really know how to pick your heroes, don't you?

Margaret bloody Hodge has a lot to answer for. She is one of the most serially disreputable and dishonest politicians we have. Go on, look her up. You really don't need allies like her, anti-Labourites. And she's my party...

Back in my 'O' level English days, there were lots of questions of the form "Compare and contrast X and Y". An answer that went into X at great length but didn't mention Y would get an automatic fail for not answering the question.

No, you haven’t. What’s more, you know you haven’t but, like a deceitful, cowardly barrack-room lawyer, you wriggle, run, and hide behind agenda-driven cut-and-pastes in order to deflect from, and avoid answering, the question.

It’s perfectly simple - do YOU regard the anti-semitism of which Lisa Forbes is accused as worse than, equal to, or not as serious as, the racism demonstrated by Farage in his poster showing him in front of a doctored photo of a line of Syrian refugees attempting to escape torture, rape, and murder, with the caption “Breaking Point - The EU has failed us”?

No hiding like a cringing coward behind cut-and-pastes of others’ words - your own opinion .

But, of course, we all know you have not the grace, the honesty, or the courage to answer.