Should Casey Take the Stand?

Two days ago, Judge Belvin Perry explained why Saturday’s proceedings in the Casey Anthony trial came to a sudden halt. It was because of a defense motion concerning Casey’s mental competency.

Casey’s attorney Cheney Mason had filed a motion “to determine competency to proceed.” Two psychologists and a psychiatrist were ordered by the court to examine Casey over the weekend. Based on their examinations, Judge Perry found Casey Anthony is indeed competent.

With this latest development and from the looks of Casey Anthony’s new demeanor being described as giddy by WFTV, I think it’s highly likely that Casey will take the stand.

Snipped:

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. — Casey Anthony was

giddy, laughing and smiling just before Judge Belvin Perry ruled that she’s

mentally competent to proceed in her murder trial on Monday. Casey’s jovial

mood changed after receiving the judge’s ruling. She’s accused of killing her

2-year-old daughter, Caylee Marie Anthony.

On Saturday, the defense filed a motion that Casey be

examined by three psychologist to determine her competency to proceed in her

trial.

Casey entered the courtroom on Monday just before 8:40 a.m.,

wearing a button-down white shirt and grey pants. She had her hair pulled back

in a bun. Casey’s parents, Cindy and George Anthony, were also present. Casey’s

death penalty attorney, Ann Finnell, was also present.

I think her side of the story screams to be told but will it help acquit her of first degree murder?

JP says he will leave it up to Jury. If they want to come in Sunday and hear closing arguments, they will. But that means closing on Sunday, deliberate, reconvene on Monday morning and then sent out to deliberation. Don’t make plans for Monday.

Now the jury is surely angry at the prospect of being sequestered for the rest of the weekend. Wii JP cut it short and send the jury to deliberate tomorrow evening supporting JA’s game plan for a swift guilty verdict. This is a scenario that has been looming all week. So JA soft pedaled it with the grief counselor to win back the jury?

omg, wrap tomorrow… i don’t think they can afford to risk R. Cruz, if they’d get her gatekeeper person and the letter she wrote that should do it, but don’t know if they can introduce those things without her.

looks like no KC or they wouldn’t have said tomorrow…. just guessing…. but yea, JB puts the holiday weekend rub on the PT…. good move

JA’s prob. pissed that LDB cried and possibly made the witness seem credible, rather than for 1 second being concerned that she may have something hurting her inside. Its only the person he has spent the most part of 3 years with, all day everyday, who cares!

Instead when she approached the bench, the Defense team seemed to be concerned, that speaks volumes….

8.16 The maximum length of time which a particular jury should be permitted or required to deliberate is at the discretion of the presiding judge. In a complex case involving detailed evidence on a number of charges and lasting some months, the jury must be given adequate time to consider the full ramifications of the whole of the evidence carefully. They might need to be sequestered for several days or even weeks. The length of the deliberation, however, should not be so oppressive as to coerce a verdict. There is a minimum time limit imposed. A jury may not be discharged without giving a verdict (subject to impropriety or unfairness as discussed above) until it has tried to reach agreement for at least six hours. The presiding judge may decide to keep a jury deliberating longer, but may not discharge it before the expiration of that period.50

8.17 Deliberation time bias been identified as one of three “major determinants of verdicts”51 by jury researchers in the United States. For example, juries ultimately unable to agree have been found to spend on average, three times longer in deliberation than juries who deliver a verdict, yet a unanimous verdict requires a longer deliberation time than at majority verdict. Predictably, twelve-member juries take longer to reach a verdict than six-member juries.52 Findings of this type suggest that deliberation time is a sensitive factor affecting outcome. The Commission is concerned that no useful purpose can be served by detaining a jury for six hours when it is unable to agree after a lesser but reasonable period in a relatively straightforward case. We consider that, when a judge has stressed the jury’s obligation to consider the evidence and the directions in the summing-up and to discuss the case with open minds attempting to reach a unanimous verdict, the additional measure of keeping the jury together for at least six hours can be counter-productive where it is clear from the early stages of deliberation that agreement will. not be reached. We propose that the minimum deliberation period should be reduced, and we invite submissions as to the proper minimum period which should apply. The presiding judge is in the best position to determine, in his or her discretion, what is the proper maximum length of deliberation, and this determination will usually be made after consultation with the jury and with counsel. Accordingly, we do not consider that any maximum period should be specified by legislation.

VII. TENTATIVE PROPOSALS

8.18 In this Chapter we have described the law relating to jury deliberations. We have considered whether that law operates fairly from the point of view of the accused and effectively from the point of view of the administration of justice. We tentatively propose the following reforms.

1. It should be a universal practice for the jury to be advised of its right both to ask questions of the judge and to have any part of the evidence read from the transcript (paragraph 8.5).

2. The minimum deliberation period before a jury can be discharged without verdict should be reduced from six hours (paragraph 8.17),

In Livingston we held that once deliberations have begun
in capital cases, the jury must be sequestered until it either
reaches a verdict or is discharged if unable to do so. 458 So.2d
at 239. Finding that the defendant’s right to a trial by an
impartial jury must be safeguarded, we explained that in a
capital case, absent exceptional circumstances of emergency,
accident, or other special necessity, separation of the jurors
after deliberations have begun will generally warrant a mistrial.

Definition of Aggravated Child Abuse
The crime of Aggravated Child Abuse can be committed in one of three ways by either:

1.Committing an aggravated battery on a child;
2.Willfully torturing, maliciously punishing, or willfully and unlawfully caging a child; or
3.Knowingly or willfully abusing a child and in so doing causing great bodily harm, permanent disability, or permanent disfigurement to the child.

Bella, I think the duct tape & chloroform is what they are calling proof of this charge.

Breaking News/Bombshell Tomorrow! Watching what i missed earlier and the ‘commentators’ said River Cruz was in the hallway…. guess they’re going put her on tomorrow… or wait, maybe they just have her there to make GA sweat…. stay tuned.

IMO based on the evidence the state provided before dt started calling witnesses I would say they didn’t give me enough to say kc was guilty of killing caylee. IMO the fact tht rk contaminated the evidence pretty much says all of the evidence the pt had about the duct tape and positioning of her skull etc is no good. Agree?? As far as premed murder the pt evidence was those computer searches and we all know what happened with that. Im pretty confident the jury wont come back with a guilty verdict. Im just tryin to put everything together with what was provided and if I were a juror, what would I say with all this evidence and testimony…im stressed lol

5:15 Krystal admits to the sexual relationship. She didn’t meet Cindy for several months. Was told she was always home sedated. Talks about receiving text from GA 2 days after Caylee was found, when he was supposed to be grieving.

something else comes to my mind — I am a survior of incest, and my father would probably just kill over before he would ever admit he “did anything to harm me that way”. beleive me the same words and all. Is there anybody else here know of a father that would say ” sure I did it, when she was 8 years old. blah blah blah”?

To iresh eyes, & Nan…
the paliative care prgm I spoke of earlier, when a woman comes in & miscarries, they have services for the child..they also allow for the baby to be dressed (if he or she made it for enough) in whatever the child may have come home in or whatever the parents choose…the parents are allowed time with the child to hold & mourn the child…to name the child ..to grieve….then they have services, complete with a little baby coffin.. if requested…
I get teary when I think of it.. see its that TYPE of thought process that the nurse on the stand understands, that promotes healing…thats the problem a lot of folks have…we’re never encouraged or taught the therapeutic concept of grieving then healing….
Some people may say families who dress a baby lost due to miscarriage are nuts…but why?
you know?
Or how it relates to other traumatic experiences in life..which really life is abundant with them…
& did someone say 2 nurses on the jury. 1 retired 1 student…hmmm…

Bella a university hospital near here has a group of ladies who sew little dresses for the little babies who don’t make it. I have wantedto join their ranks. I am very familiar with that type of grief.

@irish..i had an ectopic 12yrs ago ans as a result drs found a tumor on my other ovary so I wound up havin a complete hysterectomy and it killed me& still affects me today because I wanted another and cant.

So, was George’s hanky wet or dry? I hated the debate analyzing Casey’s kleenex. I’m going to sink as low as the people who analyzed the kleenex. I saw no tears coming out of George’s eyes. As for Casey’s demeanor today when George was up there, she was angry and rightly so.

Ruzzerious, I know what you mean. Do they ever just admit it? Nope,never. George’s answers proved to me he did do it. He clearly hedged and lied. That specific statement ” I would never do anything like that to her/my daughter” rather then a calm, “No I didn’t”

George said that Casey was the last one he’d seen with Caylee and 1 + 1=2 . I just can’t see myself hating my kid that bad. He might as well put the damned needle. He told the whole world that his daughter killed his grand-daughter. He throws his fit to show the world what she’s done to him. Commentators don’t get why Casey was glaring at him????

The problem with him saying that Casey was the last person he saw Caylee with, is that LDB handed over evidence of June 16th to the defense, showing that Casey was active on the computer the morning of the 16th, and it could not have happened the way the defense said. so it sounds as if she and Caylee could not have been walked to the car and left the house during the time that george said.

The defense is resting tomorrow. IMO they haven’t answered how Caylee got to the woods from the Anthony’s backyard. I accept that the dogs hit on the backyard and didn’t in the woods. I trust the dogs so I believe they hit on the trunk for a reason. The DT didn’t explain why KA didn’t call 911. JB’s closing IMO won’t be enough to wrap this up. Casey needs to take the stand.

Wonder if rc is going to testify cuz she was in the hallway today. Also was la excused or is he subject to recall? Wonder still about him going to jb and if hes gonna go back up tomo and say something about the abuse..can he??

My dearest friend had a eutopic pregnancy and had to have the ovaryremoved. Within 2 yrs she had Poly-cystic ovary disease ad had to have he other removed. She was never able to carry a child to term, multple miscarriges and it has totally colored her life. I have watched her suffer so much overit. My heart and hand goes out to you.

I just know there are many kids out there, that do not have real love in their lives..even ones that have the parent or parents, present…and someone showing them love, kindness, and bonding,,,can always make a huge difference in their lives 🙂

I would tell you all about traematic, I was wrongly convicted,False evidence, planted by drug dealer, cops also lied! After I was locked up for 3 yrs a video was discovered by DEA during search of drug dealers 3 properties of him and 2 buddies planning on exactly how and when and what they were going to set me up for. They confessed, blamed each other, I was released. I know about not pleading guilty to something/anything you have not done. I do know for a fact;;people lie cops lie, prosicutors want a conviction,Anyway they can obtain one. I’m still pissed at all of them.I dont even like to talk about it, so I will shut up about it. Oh well……..

HollysGmom,
I’m listening to the show now, never heard of it before. I think crystal is believable. There’s a woman on it that’s talking didn’t get her name, but she sounds more objective than this guy Levi

@ irish I have some but I wanted more but I can understand how do you feel. I also do not share my private life this openly and I have been hesitating on making a comment about incest because of that but I think it will help me so here goes.. I too was molested by my father while growing up so I can relate to ppl tht have gone thru it.

Hi Peeps!
Just came in, missed everything today.
I put HLN (bleech) on and saw George crying hysterically..looked like real crying….WTH is going on?!!!!
I also read in the comments that LDB was crying…??!!
Someone please update me.

HollysGmom, your friend is lucky to have your support. I had a miscarriage at 4 months. When you get to the ER it’s all clinical. I got home and that was a baby who’d died to me but many people don’t get that. Many people play it down and after a months they figure you should be moving on.

Knowing how prevelent incest & sexual abuse is I have found it so hard to understand how
people could completely discount her claims when she was exhibiting every symptom/action of
a sexually abused person, especially incest as they are so much more easily victimized.

@6:50 misty..i have custody of my nephew for tht reason. His mom wanted a BABY but once that baby got a lil older she didnt want him anymore. And yes shes my sister and no I no longer have anything to do w her bc of wht shes done to her own child

danielle, I so understand. After I had lost my son to SIDS a cousin of mine would always say “I just don’t know how you d it. How you go on.” Within 3 years she experienced a similar loss when she miscarried at 5 months. It was as traumatic an event for her as losing my son had been to me.

I often say “Parents who lose a child when they are grown mourn all the things that they will miss.
Parents who lose a child when the child is young mourn all the Never-Will-Be’s”

I think JA explained his case perfectly to last witness,, Its , the states case is BS, Always has been ,Always will be,And I Mr. Jeffy ASSton dont want to hear any testimony from DT. I just demand this jury sentence this,,,,,,,,,, beyond all of my doughts to the DP.. So I can say we were right!!!!!!!!!!!1

LKB says ‘No matter which way you view this case a family is destroyed!’

1. (question – about George breaking down on stand?) LKB – Defense knew George would break down on wit. stand. Jury can look at it 2 ways. 1. The way Casey is looking at George they may think isn’t that a horror or 2. The vacant stare could be taken as something happened to this girl. However, at penalty stage they laid the seed.(My thought – imp. because of 3 & 6 below)

2. (question – suicide note only says that George feels guilty because of not being there for Caylee) LKB – but, Baez said to George re suicide note: You wanted to commit suicide because you knew the police were closing in. – According to grief counselor is George’s reaction more appropriate or Casey’s. Or will jury believe George is authentic.

3. (question – about George never admitting molesting his daughter) LKB – They’ll want to know how could Casey become a malicious killer and if we get to the penalty phase the defense will have to answer that question.

4, (question – Is Baez really going to say in closing No Decompition?) LKB – Yes, I do think that. George didn’t say that in deposition and he didn’t call 911.

5. LKB said she feels defense should tell what really happened, but it doesn’t look like he will do that

6. LKB – if Baez doesn’t put Casey on the stand he won’t be able to talk about molestation evidence in his closing.

Liz to JBMission and friends: if you are willing to comment on these views pls. do so, as I’d love your input. If you can’t right now I get it and thanks anyway!

Liz, i’m not going to answer because I’m not going to aid the TH in assisting the PT any more than they already have. While i have my personal beliefs about this case, in truth, from what evidence was presented and not presented in court, the answers to what really happened to Caylee aren’t there. Just a lot of theory and supposition. I’m a cynic who has learned that very few, even those chsrged with doing so, can be totally objective even when someone’s life hangs in the balance.

had to share with y’all what my husbands observation was just after seeing the highlight of GA on the news crying. He found it interesting that GA is right handed, yet he used his left hand to wipe his eyes, he had to make sure he showed his wedding ring. we rewound and sure enough he held his hand there for a long time. My husband also said I wonder if the kleenex has onion juice on it. HEHEHE

HollysGmom,
Ha ha ha. I owe you a cold drink for that River Cruz interview link. She is going to be a fun witness.
Her best quote: “George didn’t have a problem with me when he was digging his fingernails in my back!!” 😀

I dont feel a bit sorry for George Anthony, sorry. Does this make sense to you? HE admits to the FBI he’s ex-law enforcement several times(hoping to get a pass?) has admitted several times he’s an EXPERT on decomposition YET he never calls the police and reports that and he hasnt seen his granddaughter in over a month, returns to work like it was no big deal. Now, do you think he would’ve drove that car home and return to work if he DIDNT KNOW where Caylee was? HE knew where she was , that is why he never called police and returned to work like it was nothing. Does anything GA says make sense to you? Nobody directly said he was guilty of murder, I’ve always maintained that he knows something and might possibly have Caylee’s blood on them, but in what way, dunno, but I have my suspicions like a lot of people. HE’s very hypocritical, speaks of human decomp but dismisses it like it was just another day?? Come on, I think you’re smarter than that! IMOO…

After the state finished it CIC, more people thought they had not proven premeditated murder than before the trial started. In other words, many felt the state had not proven its case. I don’t think the state has proven its case beyond a reasonable doubt. I have felt this way since they finished their CIC. JB had made some statements in his OS that I wanted to see the proof of, but the fact is, the defense does not have to prove anything, and the state did not make its case. During the defense side of the case, Dr. Spitz, Dr. Huntington, Dr. Logan, and a few others raised some serious doubts about the Medical examiner, and Dr. Vass, and Dr. Haskells testimonies. The FBI had a couple instances of accidently getting dna on things they shouldn’t have. Roy Kronk manipulated the skull. YM misspoke. The CSI computer techs fudged the results, well, the cache back dude did anyway. CSI Bloise destroyed his notes (legally) and would never intentionally alter evidence. GA, CA and LA are well, lets just expound on Judge Stricklands statement that KC Anthony and the truth are strangers, and say the Anthony family and the truth need to become better acquainted. So although the defense did not prove GA molested KC beyond a reasonable doubt, and did not prove GA placed the body beyond a reasonable doubt, the fact remains that the state of Florida did not prove KC committed premeditated murder, 1st degree murder, or even aggravated child abuse beyond a reasonable doubt. At least that is the way I see it.

Joyce LKB was on defense team and wanted to stay from what she said, but due to Casey’s financial status something changed about out of state counsel, not sure. LKB has always been positive about Casey and has had many threats against her. So, I was only asking in response to her replies as to if people got her points as I’m a bit confused as to how any of this can happen in a court of law. Although VP asked questions, there isn’t anybody she can be interviewed by that hasn’t taken the masses point of view. She is one of the only ones that try to make people think about Casey.

To correct 8:17 comment I don’t believe there is anybody on TV on a daily basis that hasn’t taken the masses point of view. Sorry but I am one who admires LKB because she isn’t afraid like the rest of the lot.

great day fellow missionites, i’m wiped but want a couple q’s out before u east coasters retire for the evening.

TRex or JBmiss, re the cache files: is the # column/field between the dates and the cookies (should be 4th) a ‘hit’ count? looks like it probably is but remember i’m the idiot that said the other day windoze doesn’t log that. well, color me humble. After glancing over the api docs on the ms site it looks like the hit count is logged in the .dat file. so, the tallies in that column look like they’d be the correct #s but wanted to verify before i proceed with my analysis. btw, i might not, proceed, as i’m feeling uneasy about invading someone privacy like this…. but i’ll probably get over it. 😉 i’m more interested in times that certain parities were home.

And for the record, so far, i’m not seeing any evidence of KC having been involved in an escort service. I think as widely publicized as this case as been from the beginning someone would have unearthed ads if she’d had them circulating. so far i think this is strictly GA fetish (and that stands for Gods Answer in case anyone wants to sue me or jbmiss).

Wow, Riley…..Holy cow!! Now wonder you have a desire to see the corrupt system brought down. I’m really sorry you had to go through that….but I am glad that your innocence was proven before you spent 30 years in prison. NOT that 3 years wasn’t way too long…..but I’m just sayin’….with enough covering up of facts, some folks have spent decades in prison before their innocence was proven. It’s very, very, very sad.

To those of you who have lost children, my most tender hugs are being sent to you. God bless you all.

And to my fellow survivors of incest……our voices can no longer be muted by someone who threatens us and makes us feel guilty and dirty and shameful because of their own sickness. Hugs to you all…..male or female…..because incestuous abuse (or any sexual abuse) isn’t gender specific.

Great comments from all.

Can’t wait til tomorrow!!

I also agree with the poster/posters who feel that we haven’t been given enough answers. I hope the DT can tie it all together tomorrow and give us those answers. Have they poked holes in the state’s case? Absolutely. Have they answered the questions that the jurors need to have answered? I don’t know. Some jurors may not be satisfied with reasonable doubt unless someone can explain how the body was originally disposed of, who disposed of it, where it was placed, and how it was moved.

I am afraid for Casey to get on the stand. I want to hear the whole truth……but I don’t think we ever will…..not unless Casey writes a book.

GCG: Hey. I think George new exactly what could happen if he applied for that gun and wanted Casey back in jail. I can’t imagine doing that to my child. I’ve had guns held to my head and didn’t crumble, I doubt I’m that much more brave then Casey. She would probably, at that point, just look at him and say go ahead.

Delaney:
Which is why I corrected myself and said on a daily basis. I watched Greta everyday for over 200 days on OJ trial and have written to her. I told her that I wish she was still doing the commentator job, as I know she would be fair and commended her for handling media as she has.

I thought people liked LKB and respected her opinions. Sorry if I stepped on toes.

I have to vent, if thats okay! First of all, I cannot stand that Casey Jordan from Insessions. I have no other channel to watch when taping and I have to suffer through her commentary however I fast forward when she becomes too irritating. That being said, is she watching the same trial we are? Where the heck did she get her law degree? I’d run the opposite direction if she was assigned to me… HArdly a professional journalist to say the least, far from it. She drives me nuts, there’s just something about her,,,IRRITATING. It’s not so much her stance its just her inmature approach,,,grrrrrrrrr……………..Sorry, but I feel better…

Liz, I don’t like or dis-like LKB; I’m not really familiar with the role she played on the DT. I just wanted to share the good news about Greta berating the media. I didn’t know that you already knew about what she said.

GCG: She isn’t watching trial, at least not a lot of the time. Yesterday, she totally asked why JP hadn’t asked a question when he did ask that very question. So glad you noticed. I don’t think a lot of them watch the whole thing.

snoop, you gone for the day? Curious… do the ants have a back gate leading to the open area? Did you by chance walk all way from suburban to the back of their house? And finally, are there gators back there? Aside for the rattlers would kids go into those woods when they’re not under water? looks like a couple of trails from the aerial. y’all got deer down there?

Delaney, i think i suggested that about GA, with absolutely NO basis in fact. just speculating… IF he is a child molester, and IF he molested KC, and IF he is threatened by her in any way, in terms of her exposing him, then I say it might be possible.

Perelandra, Irish E., Delaney: Don’t know laws in Florida, but I don’t get why he wasn’t arrested for having that gun after knowing the conditions of Casey being there, at least put in the back of a squad car for awhile. Do you know if he was fined?

Liz, funny… i’m just now watching this again now… missed to much earlier will all the high speed blogging going on. I kind of remember all the hoopla back when this happened real time. I don’t know THE answer, but imo LE was courting GA. I think they thought he was a resource if not involved and wanted to keep him happy… this it too funny… bp ills and beer… 911, 911 That makes me feel better about not believing him…

OH! he just mentioned his penmanship…. anybody see that in the jail letters? i’ll say no more.

Hollygmom, thanks for the link re River Cruz. Relieved to hear she can make George a liar. The checkered past is running a red light. From what she said in that interview the only thing JA can go after her for is lying about having sex with George. She’s pissed.

I really wanted to know what JB was saying about ‘what did police find in the motel rm’. He brought out beer and blood pressure pills, but nothing else. George was the one that said there was more. Hmm. I really wanted JB to go on but…..maybe later.

Liz, thanks.
Oh how I despise VP. Just another TH. I see him being Nazi Graceless’ twin.
Wasn’t LBK part of the defence team at one time?
I give Kudos to jbmission and you and everyone else here helping me with this as well.

Hey everyone! Im back! Ok I missed soooo much…I didnt go back to read every single post, but I caught a lot…let me say this…

Im so proud to be online with all of you honestly…I totally agree with the sentiments someone posted last night which were a thank you to JB mission for starting this blog…
It seems all of us have some triumphed over some form of adversity
(Riley thank you for your moment of truth I read your post re: those shady folks)…
I think its that adversity that clearly gives us the depth in our personalities to call b.s. when we see it & think outside the box…
& also to see the defendent in this case for what she is…not because of anything tangible, but because we’re all (undocumented) experts in overcoming a lot of what we all believe she may have or be going through…
Its also that adversity that stops us from following the T.H’s over the ledge into hysteria,judging a situation by sheer ignorance…
We dont have to hear KC’s testimony, to instinctively feel the truth. We can see it in her eyes,because a lot of us have seen the same looking back at us in our own eyes…
Its refreshing & totally renews my faith in the human spirit, that Im not the only one that at least
questions what the powers that be want us to blindly accept….
I was so traumatized watching this trial on wftv…LOL
seriously! The folks on that site OMG!!!! & really on so many others!!
JEEZ…
whats ironic is despite adversity Id have to say the intelligence, & compassion factor on this blog is pretty amazing…!
you all rock!!
🙂

Hey everyone — just a quick note — I’ve been following the posts and testimony as much as possible. it’s been a hellish week at work. worked from home with the Channel 13 coverage on all day, but have to go back and rewatch the testimony b/c i was too busy to pay close attention.

what i did hear, tho, of GA’s testimony completely reinforces my suspicion that he’s guilty of some part of this, if not all of it. he has utter contempt for the defense, which seems completely out of place and it seems like if it’s coming across the TV, the people in the room including the jury, would read this as aggressively dishonest.

Ok I also have to share some more trial analysis….Ive read the posts I missed…
let me share something else.. I know I keep harping on the passive aggressive GA >

He totally fits the profile.. >>>

Passive Agressive >

Included in the behaviors are fault-finding, moodiness, vascillating behavior, temper outbursts, sulkiness, with alternation between hostile assertion of self-autonomy, to dependent repentance or contrition.

If they are confronted about this behavior, they may exhibit anger and ACT AS IF THEY’VE BEEN ATTACKED AND VICTIMIZED rather than own up to their ambivalence.
*FEELING VICTIMIZED – The p/a man protests that others unfairly accuse him rather than owning up to his own misdeeds.
Other characteristics>

FEAR OF DEPENDENCY
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FEAR OF INTIMACY
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FEAR OF COMPETITION
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FEAR OF DEPENDENCY – Unsure of his autonomy & afraid of being alone, he fights his dependency needs – usually by trying to control you.
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FEAR OF INTIMACY -.
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FEAR OF COMPETITION –
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OBSTRUCTIONISM

SULKING – Feeling put upon when he is unable to live up to his promises or obligations, the p/a man retreats from pressures around him and sulks, pouts and withdraws.

So I theorize that if GA is truly the last person to see Caylee alive…then it could be considered that it wasnt accidental…ESPECIALLY if he was KC’s abuser… ESPECIALLY if KC was becoming more INDEPENDENT, trying to leave the home somehow…move on with her life to someone else..leave the abuse (GA) behind.. is it possible what she told Grund got back around to GA?
Is it also possible that GA wouldnt want to easily relenquish CONTROL over KC…Perhaps HE’s the 1 looking up how to make cholorform…
I mean honestly Chloroform is soooo old school…people dont use stuff like that any more in this era, or ruffies, Xanny, stuff you can easily by on the street…
Chloroform is something you’d hear in an old James Bond or Perry Mason movie…
maybe CA was covering for GA, not casey when she admitted to searching (although we’ve already read she did) but someone typed in “…How to make chloroform ..” At least once on that computer…

Bella, I hope defense brings something out, not that they have to, but to deliver on their opening statement more than prosecution did.

I don’t like that anybody gets blamed for what may or may not be typed into a google search box. I have started typing something in, more times then I can count, and goodle doesn’t just do the drop down box but actually puts someting in the search box. Makes me mad, cause I go back and have to get rid of it. Don’t know why or what I’m doing wrong, but maybe that’s what happened to them.

Hey, just got bk from Scouts, and I left around 5pm when the prof. was still waiting as there was a sidebar. Can someone just give me a brief update:

how did she do/finish up, bec JA was trying to give her scenarios

and River Cruz was waiting in the hallway.

I will go bk and read from 5pm on, but the suspense is getting to me. Please………..did the prof end up doing ok? I got the jist……. everyone shows grief in diff ways. There are healthy ways and unhealthy ways and young adults have a unique way of showing grief.
/tks.
/blam

wait the auto populate feature on google (aka Google Instant) was just launched, not loo long ago like a year ago maybe …there’s a way you can stop that liz if you want to type in the search words yourself…

This is a interesting blog. I hate coming to blogs and not being able to remember who’s who. This site is nice because there are only a handful “regulars” on here so it’s easy to keep track of peoples thoughts.
I only began following the case the month before the trial started. I am not 100% sure just what happened to Caylee Anthony but I am pretty positive that the mother is lying about others being involved. I work with people with mental disorders and would bet my life that she has a personality disorder. I hesitate to say she is a sociopath since I am not a psychiatrist but she sure seems to have a lot of the key signs/symptoms that are used in a diagnosis.
I place much of the blame on this girls parents since they have enabled her to get away with her behavior for many years judging by what I have learned over the past few months. Had these parents stepped up and made their daughter stand on her own two feet and be held accountable for her behavior they probably would still have their grandaughter alive to this day. Instead Casey learned how to manipulate them and get away with murder, perhaps literally this last time.
She was the mother to Caylee and should have been made to take care of Caylee like a mother does. This young mother had her parents doing her laundry as well as her childs, she had her parents cooking and cleaning up after her and her daughter, they paid for almost all of the items that this baby needed, and basically treated their own daughter as if she was still a child and her daughter was more like a little sister to her.
It’s just bizaar and the parents have lied for their daughter and are now pretty much known as liars. It seems like so many people have been hurt by the lies their own daughter told as well as some that they have told to cover up for Casey. Sad….

I don’t think that Casey Anthony will be taking the stand in this case. There have been to many lies that she has told and the proscecution would eat her alive. There is no way that she would have sat in jail for almost 3 years if the story her lawyer told in opening statements was true. For one thing it made no sense, here are some things that don’t add up:
~Why would her dad and her assume Caylee was dead and not attempt cpr?
~Why would they go out the front door that is never used and locked up? Common sense would’ve been that there was no way she went out the front door and would most likely went out the back door to the yard where her toys were. They also would’ve noticed a door left open, which would have given them a good idea of where she went. No way would a little child Caylee’s age have turned and shut a heavy door on her way out to her toys.
~Then we have the time period that lapsed between George going around the house one way and Casey the other. Her lawyers story was that she went the one way but came right back around to the other side which led to the back yard. This would have been less than a minute by the way her lawyer told it so how would George have already pulled the body out of the pool and be standing there holding her, seems like he would’ve had to jump in to rescue her or at the very least get up to where he could reach over the side to get her body if it was close to the edge.
~Then they never said what was done with the body after the fact. It’s obvious that they are trying to say Casey didn’t put the body where it was eventually found so just how did it get there along with items from the Anthony home?
~The biggest question is WHY DIDN’T SHE JUST TELL THE TRUTH WHEN SHE WAS BEING INTERVIEWED MANY MANY TIMES? She was given many chances to come clean but wouldn’t yet now she has no problem with telling that story. If she was afraid of her family she wouldn’t be telling now.

Trex@7:56pm,
I listened to that link of River Cruz this morning before the trial while I was catching up from last night’s while I asleep comments. I have laughed all day at that line of River Cruz. “He didn’t think I was a terrible person when he had his nails dug into my back.” What a great line!

NTS….I have no idea whether she was really crying or not. I saw her wiping at her eyes, and I asked if anyone else noticed. Someone said she was probably just wiping her eyes due to her contacts. I wish I had a better answer because that has me all kinds of curious too!

hey everybody! did anybody see Dr Phil put his 2 cents in? he was on Anderson, of course neg. about Casey, but not as bad — but he did say it would be suicidal for JB to put her on the stand.

I’m thinking if she does go on the stand one of two things can happen —

1. JA finishes pushing her over the edge with a total melt down
or
2. the jury will see who she is and take second looks at GA and doubt.

I find it very hard to believe this — if my very life was on the line, I would cough up the truth before anybody had a second breath to draw. OR — if I did do it, accident or not I wouldn’t care if they gave me a death pent. bc I would have nothing to live for, as a matter of fact I would tell them to drop the appeals.

But I also find it hard to believe there is a parent alive that would throw their own in front of the train like GA did this morning — “I will never forget that smell” 😦 yet he didn’t do anything, BUT — if GA can do this to KC — then if she did do it I can see where she could have gotten the trait from, bc really GA doesn’t give a shit, it was all about him today, and for that I say “damn you GA”!!

Liz @ 9:03pm,
I hold no love for GA here, however, I don’t think he was charged for the gun thing bec. he prob had all the necessary paperwork for himself. That was why he had the waiting period.

What he did was endanger Casey who was on bond. And he damxx well knew it. I don’t think would have generated a fine, but it could have easily sent her bk to jail for a bond violation.

And to Delaney at a prior time,
George admitted to purchasing a gun (and this was straight from JA) in order to force anyone who knew anything about where Caylee was into giving up that information.

It was quite ironic to hear a prosecutor give a pass to someone who had purchased a gun and who stated that he was willing to coerce statements fromo people by using the gun. Wow/ now that is a crime! But the PT today didn’t even so much as give him a slap on the wrist for that.

I do not see how a juror can not tell how GA has driven this investigation from the start to the end. Their whole case relys on him. He has not missed a thing. I have never seen a father so eager to convict his daughter. The old saying, when you point a finger at someone, 3 fingers are pointing back at you. He evaded the question about molesting Kc. It was a softball question about never admitting it, why couldn’t he say no? Why did he have to answer the way he did?

None of these people will ever admit it. I hope the jury realizes that. One juror will take charge and passive jurors will follow. I think a few will hold out, because the State never proved that Kc murdered Caylee… Prolly hung jury. I am not going to put too much stock into what the jury will think of river cruz. She has a lot of baggage and I am sure JA will tear her apart. MOO

NTS,
GA said it was a smell he would always remember. But you know it’s now what GA said about the smell that says in my mind. It was what JB said: He said, rapid fire right bk at him and “you, an ex-cop didn’t call 911 did you Mr. Anthony, and you drove that car home, didn’t you Mr. Anthony, and you went to work didn’t you Mr. Anthony.”

Wow, that was the powerful punch………… and probably the reason why GA had to resort to tears…

blam : I don’t know. I missed today. I saw about a half hour. I have a question as well.

Since the Judge decided that he is going to wait to rule on finells motion, but rule before the verdict, why did he say “if it gets that far” ??? Does he think Kc is going to plead now? I would really like to see this thing tried with a non death panel jury. I think that jury is going to worry about going home to their family and say they let a baby killer go. I think that is the most pressure on the jury right now. If we fall on the side of the state, ya can’t blame us, you have to blame the state. But if we fall on the side of Kc, we let a baby killer go free. MOO

NTS,
I was just reading Gretawire, and out of 100 posts or so, only 2 believe that KC got shafted by GA; so it doesn’t surprise me that VP would say that. I didn’t see that myself, bec I loved JB’s reply. But then I like JB. He’s sly.

If I were a juror, what would carry the day with me is the fact that this father is doing and saying whatever he can to ensure that his daughter is convicted of Murder One. Some of these jurors may know very little about this case, but I can guarantee you that some of these people have seen georgie in action in the media over the past 3 years. Regardless of how much they know about GA or his involvement in this…..they know THIS much……

GA would rather throw his daughter under the bus than to face the possiblilty of being charged with disposing of the body.

I can only hope and pray that the jurors do not sympathize with GA’s theatrics. Of course, since I have followed this case all the way through, read the docs, seen the interviews, etc, it’s easy for me to see through the charade.

I just truly hope that Jose has an amazing closing statement. At the very least, I feel that there is reasonable doubt. But I’m really having a hard time with all these other defense attorneys who are saying that Casey will be found guilty.

What happens when the trial is over?
Dear jbmission,
First of all I would like to send you a big thank you, kudos for everything you have done here. If it wasn’t for you, everyone here wouldn’t have a place to share their life experience,opinions or to even vent. The trial is winding down, you started this thread if KC should take the stand. At first I thought she should, explain what happened in her own words and set the record straight, go in blazin’, but then she could lose her best chance at appeal. Now I find myself thinking my goodness, she can’t win for losing. People won’t believe anything she says. The TH will chew her up and spit her out, yet will not find any fault with the people (parents) that were suppose to be there to guide her, teach her right from wrong, hell they don’t even know how to respect, tell the truth and treat others or the ones they say they love.
The PT has made this trial a mockery and confusing for this jury with all the objections, sidebars and proffers, it has been a long road to climb for the DT. I pray that this jury will see the shenanigans the PT created, but I will say I’m scared, not just for the fate of KC, but for the judicial system that I see happening before my eyes. With all that said, we know she will do time for something what that will be… we’ll soon enough find out. When this goes to appellate court, I hope you will still be here with this beautiul open dialogue we have now.

Omar333,
I agree too that I hope JB has a zinger of a close. I think he and the rest o fthe DT planned just how far they wanted to go and what they wanted to get from each witness. They knew they were not there to solve it. That is the job of LE and the PT. They are there to cast reasonable dout, and they have done that. Now, he has to close it well. Tie it up.

Pls answer for me ho the professor ended up on the stand today? Did JA annihilate her or did she withstand his attack?

Irisheyescu2,
Well said and this has been a great site……….. filled with great people.
I think the DT’s scenario is far more plausible than the PT’s; I struggle with exactly how the body as disposed of, though I see several possible scenarios all involving GA and RK and perhaps a third …….. who knows, but the seeds are laid for reasonable doubt.

kC should NOT take the stand. I either read or heard that in nearly 100 percent of death penalty cases when the defendant testifies, they are found guilty of 1st degree murder. The PT and TH know this which is why IMO they fought so hard to keep witness testimony out hoping to force DT as a last resort to put her on the stand. Also, if they put her on, it will open the door to PT introducing evidence not yet presented. You better believe the PT will come out in its rebuttal case armed for bear. We haven’t seen nothin’ yet.

Blam.
thank you
I concur whole heartedly, this is the ONLY site! 😉
There is reasonable doubt in my opinion too. I have never believed KC made cloroform! where would she of done this? if she wanted kaylee to sleep while she went out to party, there’s over the counter meds, hell a shot of whiskey to do that. Oh yeah the duct tape, her hand, a pillow, a plastic bag wouldn’t do the job? oh please. in my opinion the PT has not proven their case beyond resonable doubt.

Blam…..I felt like the Professor ended well. Ashton basically gave her his own hypothetical scenario and tried to get her to say that actions like getting a tattoo, renting movies, sleeping around, etc, were signs of guilt. My feed cut in and out quite a bit, but what I took away was that the Prof didn’t back down to Ashton. She admitted that denial could be one coping mechanism that someone could use to deal with guilt, but that the psychological aspect of that was outside of her area of expertise. She held to her testimony that the behavior of this “hypothetical mother” is not abnormal because people deal with grief in different ways.

I totally agree with all about having this site to come to, to find the real “truth”. I got so fed up with the tiny talking heads on HLN, NG with her whinning, VP and hisself, and all others. I have an extreme hard time believing them, although I thought I saw Vinnie trying to sway just a 10th of an inch to DT but got smacked upside the head. But I really do appreciate this blog, it has kept me from screaming at my family, because you know once the GA “molested me” story came out then here KC was automatic guilty. I am almost surprised it wasn’t my fault. But you know if JA gets his way, he will singlehandedly sway the bar back to the way things used to be where children where molested and they had to keep thier mouths shut for fear of the very things we are watching. No KC did not acknowledge GA crying today bc she knows the truth, weather she speaks it or not. And if I must say, she did a damxx good job not jumping up and knockin the crap out of GA. Her father just got the words right out of his mouth, he might as well as put the IV in her arm. I think if I were GA and if KC got off this charge, I would run, not walk, run back to Ohio, or somewhere KC could not find him. Or better yet go ahead and use the gun it will be worth it. Just my opinion.

Hey Blam…wow you’re still on?
Ok my opinion the grief expert did a good job in humanizing KC…I think for the 2 jurors who are in nursing related fields, she gave them an expert reason to grasp on to that explains KC’s nuttiness…
KC’s respsonse during the grief testimony I think was also good…her emotions seemes to come to surface, and you could tell she was DEFINITELY affected..that helped..I think with all of Ashton’s bullying etc..(or assertiveness) when he came to the end of the line of questioning there were moments where he acquiesced to the grief expert, and I literally saw a visceral response in his body where he realized there was NO way to make her concede to the “unaffected sociopath” persona they’ve painted KC as being

Also I thought the fact that she testified not knowing anything about the details in the case, but DID know about the subject, and used real life examples was a huge plus to show she wasnt BIASED, but truly cared about people who grieve, and wanted to share how a PERSON under circumstances would mourn in an erratic way unexpected to other people..

She NEVER once gave into Ashton by becoming combative in response to his aggressive line of questioning…instead she maintained her compsure, and kept with the flow…he in turn appeared like he was aggressively trying to force her to answer his questions the way HE wanted …not the way the truth was in her experience…he asked if a person could be consciously aware they’ve committed a horrific act, then comparmentalize the act into a box, and go on with life like it never happened…
& that humans are really good at compartmentalizing…
but she answered without malice for the hypothetical person, and focused on answering for the hypothetical person as if they were someone who was hurting & trying to use what she called “magic thinking”, to rationalize something that makes no sense to the rest of us.. & then made a direct comparison about that magical thinking with a patient she had who had lost a baby recently & couldnt sleep the 1st night it rained because the baby would be “afraid of sleeping in the dark & wet for the 1st time”, she then went on to explain that she had to go the this patients house and nurse them through the night, bringing a blanket for the child ..she explained that the patient was using magical thinking, “academically” aware the baby was physically dead, but needing to hold onto the comfort of the thought that the baby was still there to make it thru the night..because the bond between mother and daughter was VERY strong…
Ashton asked “..when the bond between mother and child breaks..” the last words on the stand were ..”Never, the bond between mother and child never breaks…” that moment was beautiful (I thought) it humanized KC in a way that hadnt been done yet in the trial..
the other thing Id have to ask others’ there opinion on, was Ashton did bring up the Susan Smith
trial by asking if this Dr. testified at that trial & she said she did…
so I dont know…
?
& they also allowed Ashton to propose a hypothetical to the Dr. that described a hypothetical KC as a muderere who’d lied to everyone, hadnt told her mother about her childs death, etc..
and also had gone shopping etc…
her explanation still made sense…
so ?
thats my take on it

To Ruzzerious if your still on ……. if JA gets his way, he will singlehandedly sway the bar back to the way things used to be where children where molested and they had to keep thier mouths shut for fear of the very things we are watching. ………..

I REALLY REALLY appreciate that statement… I think thats also where Im at with this…thats why I was so excited about the Dr’s testimony today..because its such a CRUEL fight for the defense of the victims of abuse..horrible.. I dont understand the sentiment honestly..why is society so easy to anger up at victims of abuse..why are they so obviously angry? I think a large portion of the people who are abused and NEVER get help blend into society, & a lot of the angry folks are the ones who’ve had to live in denial, in the ugly angry trap, & are projecting their inner sense of emotions,& jealousy on the ones with the courage to speak out…& the lawyers, & cast of legal characters act to enable this anger….

Over on the WS site I posted the following in the thread called Did the defense raise reasonable doubt. I don’t expect many thank you s from the WSer’s LOL

31 days, lies, tattoo, and partying could have been from grief, since the first couple stages are denial, anger and blaming others, and KC may still be in these first two stages according to the grief counselor.

RK manipulated the skull with his meter stick according to one of his stories, his other story was it rolled out of the bag. His son said he called in Nov. RK said he got berated by the LE who met him at the site in August. The jury may wonder why if RK was 99.999% sure he had seen a skull that he did not try to get the other officer who showed up to look for the skull. The reason the state did not call him as a witness is because he is not credible.

Dr. Vass’s reports were strongly contested, as were Dr. Haskell’s. Dr. G and the others on the medical examiners team were strongly contested as well. FBI reports of unknown dna on duct tape, and dna accidently transfered to evidence from FBI personel, the carpet having normal amounts of chloroform, the hair with apparent decomp could have come from a live person or a dead person, the heart shaped sticker residue being accidently removed and no picture being taken, the FBI email saying we just won’t show them the pictures with the measurements on them and the FBI saying the duct tape from area A was dissimilar to the duct tape on the gas can.

The two OCSO computer people looked very bad on the witness stand on their second appearances. There was never 84 searches for how to make chloroform and the IT guy on the jury will let the other jurors know this fact. KC’s boyfriends myspace page showing chloroform.
GA looked guilty and looked like he could be lying, and was very confrontational on the stand with JB. Dr. G looked very nervous on the stand. GB looked very nervous when confronted with the picture of the wet trash, and he did legally destroy his notes. JB said to GB you would never intentionally alter evidence would you?

YM misspoke on the stand, Dr. Vass identified the wrong smell can, cadaver dogs alerted in Anthony backyard one day, next day same spot no alert. One hair, one fly leg, 3 of 30 compotents, a nearly invisible stain with traces of butyric acid, a substance like adipocere, an odor that GA said was absolutely the smell of human decomp, yet he did not call the police even though his granddaughter was missing. Instead he went and bought a gun to do some vigilante police work and get the truth out of his suspects. Later sending a text message to a friend telling her “I need you in my life.”

The most incriminating piece of evidence by the prosecution was the photoshop of the duct taped superimposed over Caylee’s face (skull) with KC in the background. Which personally I think will totally backfire on the prosecution.

The state did not prove who did it, what happened, where anything happened, when anything happened, and they say why it happened was so KC could party.

I think the defense has raised not only enough reasonable doubt for a hung jury, but there is a pretty good chance of an acquittal.

As always, my entire post is my opinion only.

This site is great, and NTS told me about it quite awhile back. I had become so frustrated by the lynch mob, that I actually stepped away from the case for about six months. I missed the Frye hearings, and was shocked that the air sample was coming in. I have been watching almost every minute since opening statement though. I wouldn’t have been so frustrated if I had checked out this site earlier. I love it, and JBmission does a great job.

I do a little theorizing here and there, but mostly I stick to the evidence, and in this case the state doesn’t have any LOL.

They have seen her as guilty from the beginning, to see her any other way would mean that they have to admit they are wrong.

They are not yapping their gums in front of million of viewers to be wrong, they are looking for that atta boy. You don’t see that with Baez. They could have cared less about casey until she became high profile. They didn’t show up at jail when she was first arrested,or offer up their time to defend her.

The defense attorneys in orlando has shocked me. Their unprofessional, mocking behavior insults our constitution, and their behavior has disgraced the state of florida. The Bar association should put severe sanctions on each and everyone of them.

There is a certain amount of responsibility that comes with being lawyer. They should be portraying themselves as people with integrity. I don’t know any professional that would ever see it justified to insult, mock, or deflame another professional.
Unfortunately because they have been irresponsible it will reflect on all lawyers who practice in florida.

HA!! that was fabulous…It deserves to be reposted as a topic for tomorrow’s article …
I totally agree with your well laid out thoughts..I attempted to try to thought I could do the same today..but 😦 thank you !!!
& I agree this blog has collected some really cool vibes & thoughts!

To Mdwest mom>
These Laywers you speak of…what a bunch of HATERS!!! thats the true word for them..back biting HATERS..Ive read sooo much negativity about Baez its unbelieveable..Ive crtiqued little moments throughout the trial where I see he could improve..but for all of the jerks who offer testimonials against him in turn showing how vicious the criminal defense world can be…he offers a beacon of hope for me thats honestly important..

but it goes to show the Justice system tells a story differently for those with resources, and a good lawyer & those without!

Excellent! You summarized perfectly! the only other thing that I believe is so important is the officers testimony, that caseys behavior is always the same.

I saw a part of movie that my hubby was watching. It was with that actor from law and order. Elliot. And he wanted to see what it felt like to be in solitary confinement, so asked to be locked up for 48 hrs with the promise that the guard would open exactly 48hrs, not a minute before or later. After the 48 hrs he jumped on the guard screaming”I said 48 hrs not a week” and the guard had to prove it to him that it was ONLY 48 hrs, the guy thought he was going insane.

Good morning ….
The last witness was a full of humanity …
I think she helped to understand why KC became a mythomaniac .
KC had was trying tp construct an image of herself towards the outside world, and also one towards her family …The parents particularly Cindy has kept KC like a baby , making it impossible for her to become an adult . And the dad was doing the contrary …
I remember in Cindy ‘s first intervention in the trial, saying it was no big deal redoing KC’s room for Caylee because they had already put winnie the poo all over the room when kC was 16 !!
I don’t think George went quite as far as what Baez is throwing out there but once again KC had such an unfair start in the opinion forged by media that they needed this type of emphasis.
Let’s see what today brings .
The prosecutors are better to follow or back up their stuff but tey really are not as good when it comes to common sense …

Don’t quote me but GA said somthing to JB along the lines of
Your not going to take my happiness , your trying to take my happiness,
I will not let you take my happiness!
or happiness word of some sort.
HELLO!! What in the hell does he have to be happy about??
IMO
This is motive!!!
GA admits he is now “Happy”.
and Baez is trying to save his daughters life and GA will not let that happen.
Think about it, 2 almost grown kids nearly out of the nest and then surprise, Caylee….

I don’t know but I thought that was a strange thing to say when your childs life is at stake, and you’ve been accused of doing the unthinkable.

Either way, this proves how unbelievably selfish this so-called man is!

Another thing, why oh why cant these idiot talking heads see that GA protested Caseys innocence to the media (in front of Cindy) while sneaking behind CAs back and trying to convince LE that Caylee was dead and Casey was the culprit.

But now he’s just an honest greiving grandpa? (make me flippin puke!!)

Even if GA did’nt molest KC…………
what makes him so sure KC told her attorneys this?
why would he not think that her attorneys pulled this outta their azzes to save his daughters life?

I’ll tell ya why….. becuz he did molest her & he feels betrayed, he is pizzed the flip off at her for telling on him and he wants her to pay with her life so all the dirty secrets will die with her.

One thing I know for sure, KC is not a sociopath, her tears for Caylee, Cindy and Lee are real.
She shows remorse, sorrow, guilt, shame and LOVE for them.
GA, a whole different story. What I seen in KC today was disgust, utter amazement and HATE for
the daddy she once loved and trusted dearly.

Oh, I forgot…..
off topic but this has been bugging me.
I think GA used Cindys car to dispose of Caylees body.
Thats why he told LE the false story about chasing KC down and the epass ordeal.
(hoping LE would process Cindys vehicle) which they didn’t

When KC said I don’t know where Caylee is,
look close to home and look places that are familar with the family.

All she knew was, her dad left to dispose of Caylee and he was not gone long.

Iindy Gal & Female clown…> thank you for your input I agree about both of your sentiments..crazy things is wether we all have differing opinions as the small details about HOW poor little Caylee met her demise, we all seem to agree on the malintent of these cast of characters…AS far as GA is concerned..when I read the notes in the police report, where GA went behind his families back, & also the way the LE totally immediately were sure of GA’s innocence,….I was hmmm more than suspicious..It confirmed for me the accusation of him being an abuser…you know what?
It was it was THE WAY he did what he did…in the report GA clearly tells the police, that he used to be a part of LE, that he knows how they investigate things & what they may be thinking as far as the smell..that he recognized the smell from his prior experience…that he knew what it was…etc..
(of course stoking their ego’s & further invoking the fraternal order of blue bond between them)..he then goes on to say KC..his OWN DAUGHTER was a liar…
he hadn’t had that car back in their garage for more than mmm what 8 hours or so however long his work shift was..& within that time he had already recovered from shock, lost his worry about his granddaughter.. enough to decide his DAUGHTER was A SUSPECT! wtf?
he never thought perhaps his daughter may be in harms way..or anything …
yeah & the fact that he was sneaky about it..
he CONCEALED his communication to the LE>>> passive agressive…throwing a rock and hiding his hand..
yep so I agree with both of you…

Indy Gal…i can see that…
totally..1 of the things in the trial I noticed as well, when they started talking about where the remains were DUMPED for the 1st time..I could see KC was P**!@@ off!!!
Mad as hell…
I think she was mad because she was reminded of the way her baby was dumped!
Im sure GA lied to KC & said not to worry he’ll take care of it all …he may have elaborately tried to convince her of the deed he was trying to cover up… it was an accident KC, caylee mustve wandered into the water…etc…etc.. he might’ve said Ill take care of it noone will question what I do Im a cop…he may have blamed her in the beginning yelling at her perhaps..? who knows? then covinced her he’d do the right thing by the baby..
Im sure he never included in that scenario Im GOING to DUMP your baby in the woods in a trash bag, to be left there and devoured by wild animals…
so when she WATCHED those pics during the trial Im sure she was ANGRY..then also later to over and over again be betrayed & thrown under the bus by GA…
plus the Dr. today said words that may have helped empower KC… which were that we all GRIEVE in different ways..the Dr also mentioned the dysfunction in the family, and how some families NEVER talk about the death..
I think that triggered an emotion, because prior to being caught by LE, GA probably went on with life not talking about what happened to Caylee..

wow… can’t read all these wonderful posts. i’m savoring them for later…. perfect. but meanwhile carrying all the incredible thoughts and stories that i know are here…. thanks to all for sharing,,.. really.

friends have ask me whatz my obsession with this case and guessed that i related to KC. very true, but it’s more than that, way more. I learned a lot this afternoon with the ‘grief’ lady, and that’s what we ALL share. Loss. Casey lost Caylee but before that she lost the happy and safe childhood she deserved to have. I want justice for Casey and I really hope that she’ll find a way to use what’s she’s learning and grow strong. I can’t image the strength she’ll need…. but she’s showing some remarkable courage.

it’s too late… try to catch all you wonderful spirits tomorrow.

ps glad to hear some many of you are reacting the GA the same way i am. i had to turn it off, he was making me sick and i was questioning my own gut, thinking i was being to hard on him! Now where did i learn that. 😉 THERE IS NO REASON FOR HIM TO BEHAVE THAT WAY. I can’t stand it… i want to scream. Why the F isn’t he bending over, doing whatever the hell it takes to get his daughter out of jail and get her the help she needs. Suck it up George, be polite, answer yes and no and quit trying to defend yourself… why the hell are you being so argumentative, hostile, evasive, rude, whatever…. who cares who casts aspersions on you, who cares what the world thinks of you, your daughter has been in jail for almost 3 years, entirely alone and she’s on trial for her life and you’re sitting there pretending you don’t know facts, dates, times…. you’re lying, why?

no one needs to read this… i’m just venting…. and i’m angry cuz so many people, media etc. see George as a victim, period…. ok then, why is he making it so difficult for his daughter. at the very least he is delaying the trial, her agnony

Hi everyone!
I just got done reading all of the comments. Awesome!! I was out this evening with my grandson and wasn’t able to watch the last couple of hours of today’s trial. I’m gathering from the comments that the DT may rest tomorrow?? Wow! I best get some sleep if I plan to watch it.

Good morning, Everyone. What an amazing place this is. I feel so much compassion here and a real commitment to the truth in this case. We all want to know what really happened to Caylee. In the process a bond of trust has come into being here. TheJBMission is unique in that there is intuition, compassion, and also a terrific sense of humor to relieve the tension.

I think that Baez showed great tactical skill in getting the grief expert admitted. She touched just about everyone deeply and reached Casey and brought her into focus. Great way to end the day and give everyone something to sleep on.

She evidently touched something deep in JA’s soul. Her calming and loving gentleness was not totally lost on him.

Moving on, River Cruz is waiting in the wings and I am looking forward to her reaction to JA. She evidently does not put up with nonsense and I would bet that she has done her homework and knows exactly how to get her voice heard in this court room.

I am not a blogger and have made some comments on news sites – usually just one comment and then I am off for the day. This is different. I have been astounded that there has been only vilification for a young woman who lost her child in a horrendous way and then had to go through the showing of photos of her discovered her remains in live tv coverage court room sideshow.

And there was not one instance of compassion in the commentators for her as the mother of this poor sacrificial lamb.

It never occurred to me during those times that Casey was to be despised for her demeanor. All of my disgust occurred when listening to the pundits and to JA – and especially to Cindy and George. I felt compassion for Lee too.

As far as GA is concerned, I heard only his many attempts to evade the questions yesterday and on several occasions he even had the temerity to actually believe that he could simply not answer the question with a direct yes or no. His guilt is so evident on so many levels and of course, we do not know exactly what triggers his response. But it is patently evident to anyone who uses independent and critical thinking skills that he is certainly guilty of something he does not want anyone to know about. Ergo, he is willing to sacrifice his own daughter,

Well, those are my thoughts and conclusions after a good night of restful sleep and I surmise that the jury is forming some opinions about all the testimony yesterday too.

I look forward to being here with the most compassionate and clear minded and best commentators I have ever had the pleasure to join.

Yes Nan , plus I had a great respect for Baez when he wanted to point out how KC is in solitary confinemnent , conditions hard enough to kill a soul since 3 years .
You are right about compassion being totally absent in the majority of comments elsewhere, especially the mainstream media. It shows a horrible state of society .

I have some questions. I am not clear on the timeline of the alleged discovery of the drowned Caylee. Baez said in opening that Casey found GA holding the drowned child and he yelled at her something akin to : “Look at what YOU have done. Your MOTHER will never forgive you.”

So where had Casey been coming FROM at that moment? Where had GA been during that time before discovering Caylee in the pool?

After hearing about these alleged statement, the first thing that entered my mind were what I took to be an indication of what GA might have said next. Something like this: “Now I will have to clean up the mess you made – so do EXACTLY as I tell you and DO NOT TELL ANYONE ABOUT THIS.”

This just popped into my mind and I could see GA and the anger on his face and hear his harsh words.

I believe that Cindy was in on the fix and her 911 call was completely insincere and unbelievable as I listened to it many many times as played over and over on tv. I never believed Cindy.

I believe that Casey was totally under their control and the jailhouse tapes were very revealing when she said that she wished that she to talk with them in private or write in private with no one recording what they said. Cindy sat in front of GA and did not pay attention to him at all. she avoids him like the plague and still does except when in the hall of elevator. So onward to my next opinion.

GA talks love talk to his daughter. Totally creepy. He talks about “the family” sticking together and that it is “all about the family.” SEX. LIES AND VIDEO TAPE ANTHONY FAMILY STYLE?

And Casey talks to GA – wishes they could have changed the relationship – great dad and grandfather. shades of my two friends who now say what great fathers they had and how much the learned from them – their abusers – now put on pedestals as wonderful men. Such a classic textbook example and profile of abused daughters who never have had the benefit of professional treatment and who have never gone through a healing process.

Cindy obviously is controlling this whole fiasco. GA stepped out of the mold when he began hanging with River Cruz. And he broke with her and told her the truth. OH WOW. THERE IS A GOD!

I cannot wait to hear this woman’s testimony and to get a sense of her veracity.

I also will be extremely interested in any camera shots of Cindy’s and Casey’s faces. Cindy hides her face most of the time. She covers her mouth or wipes it right after she speaks and often pulls her lips in. Her body language here is so evident.

GA is so like RK on the stand the I sometimes hear them without looking at them and I cannot distinguish which one is actually speaking at the time.

In my heart I believe that GA potentially was a molester of Caylee and may have already done so and tried to keep her from telling. She was such a bright and smart and gregarious child she would have outted him and been believed. I know that is an extreme opinion, but I believe him to be capable of it . He is so abusive on the stand and his lack of compassion and any human feeling for anyone but himself was certainly determined in his suicide note. What a self aggrandizing piece of claptrap that was.

I think the reason that the tv commentators do such a bad job is that they are always thinking of their next lines. That is the classic sign of a poor listener. And the fight to stay on top of the heap by upstaging each other is a big motivator too.