On practically every issue this guy mentions, I concur. Liberals have never been happy with Obama, it's just that we've had a different set of concerns. In the past, Republicans have traditionally given the OK to government eavesdropping, in the interest of national security, while Democrats resisted. It's incredibly disappointing to see a Democrat president act so much like GWB in this regard.

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blackduckdog2 wrote:On practically every issue this guy mentions, I concur. Liberals have never been happy with Obama, it's just that we've had a different set of concerns. In the past, Republicans have traditionally given the OK to government eavesdropping, in the interest of national security, while Democrats resisted. It's incredibly disappointing to see a Democrat president act so much like GWB in this regard.

from here on out, (unless it is a grass roots candidate and not one put forth by corporate interests) all candidates will follow the same mold, don't care if it's a D or an R. Our gov. is captured.

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There are no, zero, zip, nada ,good politicians weather they are Liberal, Conservative, Dem or Repub.. Every one of them are nothing but liars, cheats and crooks. They all should be tarred feathered and ridden out of town on a rail............

blackduckdog2 wrote:On practically every issue this guy mentions, I concur. Liberals have never been happy with Obama, it's just that we've had a different set of concerns. In the past, Republicans have traditionally given the OK to government eavesdropping, in the interest of national security, while Democrats resisted. It's incredibly disappointing to see a Democrat president act so much like GWB in this regard.

from here on out, (unless it is a grass roots candidate and not one put forth by corporate interests) all candidates will follow the same mold, don't care if it's a D or an R. Our gov. is captured.

The security state has been born. There is no walking it back. Peggy Noonan of the WSJ has been writing about it as only she does. I actually think BDD2 would appreciate her style of writing if not her opinion on this topic. She hits the nail on the head. I will post her last article, which is on this very topic. After reading it, you'll have no hope if you're a realist, even if she holds out hope this can be rolled back.

In a free society, it is not the obligation of the citizen to prove to the government that he is a good person. It is the obligation of the government to prove to the rest of the citizenry that the citizen is a bad person, with probable cause.

Certainly many of us are disgusted with the president. Every attribute he champions is violated almost as soon as the words are out of his mouth. But, the biggest disapointment should be with our so called free press.

Without the support of the press and free passes on every transgression, this guy never would have made a second term. The government control of our schools and colleges has literally brainwashed a generation of our children.

Very few youngsters can go through a college curriculum now without either adopting the ideology or fighting and maybe failing to defend their own ideals.

That is not what an education should consist of.

One is not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition, so let me re-do.

blackduckdog2 wrote:On practically every issue this guy mentions, I concur. Liberals have never been happy with Obama, it's just that we've had a different set of concerns. In the past, Republicans have traditionally given the OK to government eavesdropping, in the interest of national security, while Democrats resisted. It's incredibly disappointing to see a Democrat president act so much like GWB in this regard.

from here on out, (unless it is a grass roots candidate and not one put forth by corporate interests) all candidates will follow the same mold, don't care if it's a D or an R. Our gov. is captured.

The security state has been born. There is no walking it back. Peggy Noonan of the WSJ has been writing about it as only she does. I actually think BDD2 would appreciate her style of writing if not her opinion on this topic. She hits the nail on the head. I will post her last article, which is on this very topic. After reading it, you'll have no hope if you're a realist, even if she holds out hope this can be rolled back.

Peggy Noonan and George Will have been my favorite conservative columnists for years, but Will gets the edge because he can talk baseball like a lifelong minor league manager

"We have met the enemy, and he is us."Walt Kelly, via Slow's avatar. Look it up

blackduckdog2 wrote:On practically every issue this guy mentions, I concur. Liberals have never been happy with Obama, it's just that we've had a different set of concerns. In the past, Republicans have traditionally given the OK to government eavesdropping, in the interest of national security, while Democrats resisted. It's incredibly disappointing to see a Democrat president act so much like GWB in this regard.

Disappointing? When GWB was doing it, Dem's and the liberal media screamed bloody murder. When Obama the Dear Leader does it, its only disappointing??

This is no surprise to the followers of Dog Crap Theory.

Their is really no difference between the two piles of crap that pretend to represent the people.

And members of both parties have been in on the rape of the US constitution for a long time. The liberals, IMO, like to think they are somehow better people, therefore the Democraps are somehow a better, more pure party. Lets call them....pile #2.

Pile # 1 is just not nearly as clever at hiding their intentions.

In the end, when you step in a pile, EITHER pile, your feet tend to smell.....well, you get the idea.

Butta boom wrote:Certainly many of us are disgusted with the president. Every attribute he champions is violated almost as soon as the words are out of his mouth. But, the biggest disapointment should be with our so called free press.

Without the support of the press and free passes on every transgression, this guy never would have made a second term. The government control of our schools and colleges has literally brainwashed a generation of our children.

Very few youngsters can go through a college curriculum now without either adopting the ideology or fighting and maybe failing to defend their own ideals.

That is not what an education should consist of.

One is not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition, so let me re-do.

That is not what an education should consist of, butt.

The press has largely been "controlled" or influenced by political parties and bipartisan individuals even before we had a functioning government.

Is this really the legacy you want for yourself: the chief executive who trampled rights, destroyed privacy, heightened secrecy, ruined trust, and worst of all, did not defend but instead detoured around so many of the fundamental principles on which this country is founded?

Yet his first choice was a Clinton.

Firing the people in the travel office, billing records under subpoena mysteriously just appearing in the White House, ...

As a journalist, I am frightened by your vengeful attacks on whistleblowers

Yeah, the Clinton's never vengefully attacked anyone

blackduckdog2 wrote:Liberals have never been happy

They never are. That's why they feel the need to muck around in every aspect of everyone's life while getting upset that the all intrusive government they sought intrudes upon them.

blackduckdog2 wrote:Republicans have traditionally given the OK to government eavesdropping, in the interest of national security, while Democrats resisted.

While politicians are politicians, the difference between liberals and conservatives is that liberals seem unable to tell the difference between Americans and foreign nationals. Spying on foreigners is very different than spying on Americans. Also, the concept of borders seems baffling to liberals. No one has a right to send anything whether property or information across an international border without the potential scrutiny of the government where it is being sent. Liberals also like to pretend we are not at war and all that that means, although that goes far beyond liberals. However, when they do realize how serious that is they often over react and send Americans to internment camps or support rampant spying. I think Obama was in denial and then he became President and realized we are actually in a shooting (or blowing up) war and

A politician thinks of the next election; a statesman of the next generation. A politician looks for the success of his party; a statesman for that of the country. The statesman wished to steer, while the politician was satisfied to drift.

blackduckdog2 wrote:Republicans have traditionally given the OK to government eavesdropping, in the interest of national security, while Democrats resisted.

While politicians are politicians, the difference between liberals and conservatives is that liberals seem unable to tell the difference between Americans and foreign nationals. Spying on foreigners is very different than spying on Americans. Also, the concept of borders seems baffling to liberals. No one has a right to send anything whether property or information across an international border without the potential scrutiny of the government where it is being sent. Liberals also like to pretend we are not at war and all that that means, although that goes far beyond liberals. However, when they do realize how serious that is they often over react and send Americans to internment camps or support rampant spying. I think Obama was in denial and then he became President and realized we are actually in a shooting (or blowing up) war and

And you feel confident about this because conservatives have never felt the need to engage in domestic surveillance, right?

"We have met the enemy, and he is us."Walt Kelly, via Slow's avatar. Look it up

Oh, and while I well understand your need for the cheap shot, Spinner, truncating my quotes to facilitate that need is a little low, don'tcha find it? Thus, turning "Liberals have never been happy with this president", which is what I said, into "Liberals have never been happy" PERIOD, so that you could go off on one of your patented college sophomore thumbnail psychoanalyses of the liberal mind, may have felt orgasmically good, but it makes you look devious at best, lazy at neutral and flat out stupid at worst. Take your pick

"We have met the enemy, and he is us."Walt Kelly, via Slow's avatar. Look it up

blackduckdog2 wrote:Republicans have traditionally given the OK to government eavesdropping, in the interest of national security, while Democrats resisted.

While politicians are politicians, the difference between liberals and conservatives is that liberals seem unable to tell the difference between Americans and foreign nationals. Spying on foreigners is very different than spying on Americans. Also, the concept of borders seems baffling to liberals. No one has a right to send anything whether property or information across an international border without the potential scrutiny of the government where it is being sent. Liberals also like to pretend we are not at war and all that that means, although that goes far beyond liberals. However, when they do realize how serious that is they often over react and send Americans to internment camps or support rampant spying. I think Obama was in denial and then he became President and realized we are actually in a shooting (or blowing up) war and

And you feel confident about this because conservatives have never felt the need to engage in domestic surveillance, right?

Politicians are politicians. Never forget that. None, not one of them should be trusted. It's just good old practical common sense.

The big problem is that it is popular to be a conservative. Hell even Romney tried to pretend to be one. So I am certain that you can find self-described conservatives that support basically unchecked government power in one area or another and that gives those that are serious about the truth a bad name. Where do you find a liberal that is for a checked government prevented from doing something that they want done?

BTW, I agree that leftists have usurped the liberal label, but I just don't see the liberals condemning them, but with rare exception. Those of us on the right fight among ourselves all the time because it is about right and wrong and not winning and feeling superior. It's about results, positive beneficial results.

Domestic spying must cross an extremely high hurdle with very solid facts behind it. If true, who wouldn't be behind it? Spying on foreigners on the other hand is a whole different thing. It gets blurry when the foreigners are living in the U.S. or communicating with Americans.

blackduckdog2 wrote:Oh, and while I well understand your need for the cheap shot, Spinner, truncating my quotes to facilitate that need is a little low, don'tcha find it? Thus, turning "Liberals have never been happy with this president", which is what I said, into "Liberals have never been happy" PERIOD, so that you could go off on one of your patented college sophomore thumbnail psychoanalyses of the liberal mind, may have felt orgasmically good, but it makes you look devious at best, lazy at neutral and flat out stupid at worst. Take your pick

You just made it easy to get under your skin

A politician thinks of the next election; a statesman of the next generation. A politician looks for the success of his party; a statesman for that of the country. The statesman wished to steer, while the politician was satisfied to drift.

"When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes… Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.” – Napoleon Bonaparte, Emperor of France, 1815

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He should be disgusted with how our government (including the oval office) is beholden to business. If you allow an oligarchy to blossom - eventually it owns everything.

"Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws!" Mayer Amschel Rothschild

Eventually people are going to look around, and stop talking about the government and look at the system that feeds it full of people that are moneychangingho-bags.

When that happens, all the the graduates from Harvard are going to off the grid and bide their time, until at some point they can walk the streets without being hung.

Not likely...

“The few who understand the system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests.” The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.

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