--------------Joe: Most criticisims of ID stem from ignorance and jealousy.Joe: As for the authors of the books in the Bible, well the OT was authored by Moses and the NT was authored by various people.Byers: The eskimo would not need hairy hair growth as hair, I say, is for keeping people dry. Not warm.

Doc Bill is not shy and jumps in to bite Klinghoffer's ass. It was not good, btw:

Hey, Klinghoffer, remember when Abbie Smith kicked Behe's balls up around his ears for a lie he published in Edge? Remember that? It was embarrassing because Behe was sloppy and left comments open on Amazon and Abbie got in there and tore Behe a new one. Behe recanted, remember? He admitted he "made a mistake" when we all knew he lied. You might want to call Mikey and ask him how long it took him to get over being pwnd by a "graduate" student, who are awesome creatures, by the way. You're there right now. You've been caught in a lie and you need to pwn up to it or suffer. Personally, I prefer you suffer but I'm a bad person.

Look on the bright side: the 100 word posting limit means that any and all cut and paste contributions from KF or BA77 are a non-starter so you won't have to scroll past all that crap.

--------------Joe: Most criticisims of ID stem from ignorance and jealousy.Joe: As for the authors of the books in the Bible, well the OT was authored by Moses and the NT was authored by various people.Byers: The eskimo would not need hairy hair growth as hair, I say, is for keeping people dry. Not warm.

The books in her back say what?Have a closer look:Oh, and she can run gels!With bands!And mutations alternative designs!Therefore Intelligent design must be science. This is the ultimate proof that Ann Gauger is God!!

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Here’s how we make designer mutations—it takes equipment, hard work, and intelligent intervention.

--------------"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

The books in her back say what?Have a closer look:Oh, and she can run gels!With bands!And mutations alternative designs!Therefore Intelligent design must be science. This is the ultimate proof that Ann Gauger is God!!

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Here’s how we make designer mutations—it takes equipment, hard work, and intelligent intervention.

The books in her back say what?Have a closer look:Oh, and she can run gels!With bands!And mutations alternative designs!Therefore Intelligent design must be science. This is the ultimate proof that Ann Gauger is God!!

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Here’s how we make designer mutations—it takes equipment, hard work, and intelligent intervention.

Her mutated codon has a stop (TAG) 2 up from it.

Nonsense mutations-> very small islands of function?

Unless she's arbitrarily highlighted three bases?

Are these base pairs: T-T, A-A, C-C, G-G?

WTF?

--------------"Following what I just wrote about fitness, you’re taking refuge in what we see in the world." PaV

No. This is the output of a program like blast or fasta which compare two sequences. The two sequnences are aligned and identical positions are marked by vertical bars aka pipes.

--------------"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

The sequences stem from E. coli. I guess this relates to a "paper" (you know it's from Bio-Complexity) on biotin synthesis Gauger published with Axe that even YEC Todd Wood judged negatively. for more see PT

--------------"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

Looking forward to the series of reviews on the content of Biological Information: New Perspectives Tom English announced on his DiEBlog.

sorry, wrong thread, will copy it to BI:NP

Edited by sparc on June 23 2013,23:26

--------------"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

--------------"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

--------------"But it's disturbing to think someone actually thinks creationism -- having put it's hand on the hot stove every day for the last 400 years -- will get a different result tomorrow." -- midwifetoad