So the current behaviour is fairly deliberate - since the grouping feature relies on colour and the grouping menu is only accessible from the titlebar, I wanted to leave a tiny hint of the colour and a very small clickable area.
Previous iterations had a 2px border around the whole terminal and no access to the grouping menu, which seemed to be much worse all round.

I'd really like to find a way to not hide information from people about the grouping - I think it's important to know if a terminal is going to receive/send keystrokes to other terminals, but I'm very willing to discuss how we can achieve this in a way that keeps the no-titlebar crowd happy :)

In fact I realized what I found the most disturbing is that not only a thinner titlebar is displayed, but also a small part of the icon and the separator that sits next to it...maybe hiding the icon and separator as well would provide a cleaner look without much effort, yet keeping the visual group hint.

Remi: keeping the icon slightly visible was also deliberate, because its still clickable to get the grouping menu.

So as a general point I'm prepared to accept the desire for fully hidden titlebars. I think it's a bit excessive, but whatever. However, I want to do it in a way that's sane from a usability and code complexity perspective and this bug seems like an idea place to discuss the possibilities.

I think my best suggestion right now would be:

* Grouping menu appears in the context menu if the titlebar is hidden
* terminal backgrounds get a subtle coloured tint to reflect group receive status (not transmit status, you'll be on your own for which terminal has focus).

I've not looked into exactly how easy the second part of that would be to do, but I'm pretty sure the first part is do-able without too much drama.

A conditional grouping menu appearing in the context menu seems like the most sensible option to me. :)

Regarding whether the titlebar should be fully hidden or not, I think that if the user selects the option to have it hidden, then the program should honour this. Maybe another alternative would be to have a 'titlebar margin width' option available from within the preferences dialog? This way the user could decide if they want the titlebar fully hidden or not. Some window managers provide a similar option so that users can easily allocate space for accessing their right-click system menus. Just a thought. :)

"you'll be on your own for which terminal has focus"
With no title bar, I fully agree on this. Thankfully the cursor gives it away. :)
I also have my own fun way of dealing with that and have my own reason for not wanting the title: full screen, not overlapping icon tray/clock, having a lot of space.

Mostly wanted to say that I agree this is a good assumption to have (that we'll be expected to manage it ourselves).

+1 on a no-title-bar preference if the user is prepared to accept the limitations. I don't do anything in terminator that I don't have keybinding for (i.e. I split only, never tried grouping). My preference with my tiling window manager is to have no decorations rendered surrounding the terminal text.

Also +1 for related options to choose a 1-pixel divider line between split terminals. I presume this is 'terminal separator size'. At bzr trunk r976, the terminal-separator size slider goes from -1 to 0 to 1, but value -1 had a multipixel white (not the desired color) divider, 0 or 1 (and higher I presume) render a zero-pixel divider, unless that pixel is background color black and I just can't see it.

For me hiding the titlebar with "titlebars = false" doesn't work at all with the latest release.
I'm using Ubuntu Lucid Lynx 64bit with Terminator 0.93 (http://ppa.launchpad.net/gnome-terminator/ppa/ubuntu).
I have the same problem on an other pc with Ubuntu Karmic and the same version of Terminator.

On 31/03/10 16:23, Remi REROLLE wrote:
> On version 0.9, when unchecking the "Show titlebar" option in the
> preferences, a small part (about 2 pixels) of the titlebar remains
> visible (tested on karmic with the version from the PPA)

The discussed solution is now partially implemented in trunk by revision
1019. The titlebar remains hidden until the following states are present:

1) a group name is being created
2) the terminal is in a group

I think 1) will always be the case, but eventually I hope to address 2)
with colour hinting of the terminal background.