Ron Paul to Obama and Romney: “Jerusalem is the capital of Israel”

Ron Paul to Obama and Romney: “Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. Get over it.”

News is now leaking out about a private meeting between evangelical leaders and presidential candidate Ron Paul which took place last Wednesday night. The leaders asked Dr. Paul about an Executive Order moving the American Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. “The real issue here is not what America wants but what Israel wants. We have no right to chose their capital,” Dr. Paul said, “If they say it is Jerusalem, then it is Jerusalem.”

The Barack Obama administration has consistently rejected this idea and Governor Mitt Romney steadfastly refuses to make a commitment on the issue.

The meeting held last Wednesday night in Ft. Worth, Texas, had two representatives of evangelicals presenting Dr. Paul with a list of questions they had received from denominational leaders, pastors and television evangelists. In the wake of Senator Rick Santorum’s departure from the presidential race, many evangelical leaders are turning to Ron Paul.

The question to Dr. Paul was posed by Rev. Brian Jacobs, one of the evangelical participants. Jacobs, a former consultant to the Billy Graham Association and a pastor of the Ft. Worth Metroplex Church asked the question at the beginning of the meeting. According to Jacobs, Dr. Paul asked, “How would we feel if some other nation told us that we would have to make our capital in New York and they refused to build their embassy in Washington, D.C. It is none of our business.”

In earlier interviews Dr. Paul has stated that we should stop being Israel’s master and start being her friend and trading partner. In 1981, Dr. Paul was the only public figure who defended Israel’s military action when she took out the Iraqi nuclear facilities. He, alone, in the U.S. Congress, refused to condemn the action saying that Israel has the right to defend herself without approval of the United States.

Dr. Paul, nevertheless, has been the target of vitriolic attacks from evangelical leader, Gary Bauer, who issued a fund raising letter criticizing the Texas congressman for wanting to “cut off foreign aid to Israel.” Bauer’s letter failed to mention that Dr. Paul is calling for the end of all foreign aid, which not only includes the $3 billion the United States gives to Israel but also the $12 billion it gives to Israel’s avowed enemies, including Palestinians, who publicly proclaim that they will drive her into the sea. Dr. Paul points to America’s practice of borrowing money from China to give to Pakistan as foolish.

Ron Paul campaign officials have long complained that their man is so intellectually honest and so committed to a constitutional form of government he is easily tripped up by issues taken out of context by a demagogue.

On December 29, 2011, the Israeli Mossad Chief, Tamir Pardo, told 100 ambassadors gathered in Jerusalem that a “nuclear Iran does not pose an existential threat to Israel.” When Dr. Paul said something similar in a debate the next week, insisting that we should not go to war with Iran on a presidential executive decision but only by consultation with the congress, he was heavily criticized and ridiculed.

In a GOP debate on January 9, 2012, Ron Paul said that, anyway, Iran was not on the verge of developing a nuclear weapon. This statement too, was heavily criticized and called “dangerous” by media pundits. When Secretary of Defense, Leon Paneta said the same thing three days later on the CBS program Face the Nation no one apologized to Dr. Paul.

In the meeting with evangelicals Dr. Paul was asked questions about his personal faith. The Ron Paul campaign issued a statement of faith at the beginning of the campaign with Dr. Paul declaring “I have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior, and I endeavor every day to follow Him in all I do and in every position I advocate.” But the congressman admitted that his faith is very much a private matter.

Dr. Paul said, “I am not big on public displays and marches. I would not want a theocracy.” But as to how his faith shaped his character and his worldview? “You know I’ve been married 55 years,” he laughed, “So it is pretty obvious. It is how I live my life.”

Mr. Machacek said he was deeply moved by the meeting and wants other Christian leaders to meet with Dr. Paul themselves. “I’m drafting an email for a Christian leader who is a coordinator for a 10 denomination coalition. He will forward the idea about a meeting with church leaders.”

I’d love to see the thing that gave birth to you. Maybe mitt Romney found a way to reproduce like in John Carpenters “the thing” where he just survives off pieces of himself, a gross disgusting thing not from this planet That screams like a girl when it’s burned alive. Are you part of mitt Romney tex2 do you share a symbiance with him? Do you devour people with your face? When you go to the doctor, which Ron paul is a doctor BTW LoL LOl LOLLzzzzzzzz, when you go to the doctor does your evil empty heart collapse into a giant set of alien teeth? Let me know! God bless you and namaste tex2! I’m so happy your life is so miserable

sad child, none of these apply to Ron Paul in any way except to back up his stance, you’ve done nothing on this blog but talk trash and then use arguments that prove our side, your mind is broken, that much is clear

PLEASE LET TEX2 KEEP COMMENTING; LOOK AT THE CHILDISH COMMENTS WHILE WE TALK ON REAL ISSUES; TEX2 TROLLS ENDLESSLY BECAUSE HE IS A BIG GOVT LEECH; HE HAS THE TIME B/C HE IS A LEECH; THIS IS OBVIOUS TO ALL AND ONLY HELPS RON PAUL; TEX2 SUPPORTS THE BIG GOVT LEECH MITT OBAMNEY; TEX2 DON’T FORGET TO DONATE TO THE ” IN IT TO WIN IT” RON PAUL MONEY BOMB ON APRIL 15TH AND VOTE FOR RON PAUL

tex2 is Scott Johnson, a failed business owner.He is bitter about his inability to win people over, and failed to move any product that he bought from Amway. No surprise there, with no “people skills”, just check his conversation here. LOL

tex2 likes obamacare and mitt obamneycare; tex2 is a liberal leech of big govt: looks like tex2’s moneytrain is about to end; TEX2 WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SIT AT HOME TROLLING ON ANY BLOGS; HE WILL HAVE TO GET OUT AND WORK HAHAHA; i will sell all i can to give it to THE RON PAUL REVOLUTION because you BIG GOVT LEECHES are taking it from me anyway !!! and WE RON PAUL SUPPORTERS HAVE ALREADY BEGUN TO TAKE OVER THE GOP; WE ARE THE FUTURE OF THE GOP – SMALL GOVT TO STOP SUPPORTING LEECHES LIKE TEX2; RASMUSSEN POLL: RON PAUL BEATS OBAMA, WHILE MITT OBAMNEY ONLY TIES; RON PAUL LOSES, GOP LOSES; DON’T FORGET TO DONATE TO THE ” IN IT TO WIN IT” RON PAUL MONEY BOMB APRIL 15TH TEX2 ; NOW I WANT TEX2 TO SPEND THE REST OF LIVING DAYS ON THIS BLOG; OH YEAH, HE IS ALREADY DOING THAT; TEX2 CAN’T DO ANYTHING PRODUCTIVE; CLUE TO TEX2 BEING A LOSER AND SUPPORTING A MITT OBAMNEY LOSER HAHAHA

Why Ron Paul would NOT be a good president:
1. He is old, mousey, whiny, grumpy, skinny, etc. Do not underestimate the importance of these factors, as a very large number of voters are not familiar with the issues, and vote for vanity. Sad but true. It does no good to have good ideas when you don’t have the presidential image, and Ron has neither.
2. He has been in Congress for 2 decades and doesn’t have a single bill to his name. We elected someone president with zero accomplishments in 2008, why would we want to do that again? How can you expect him to be able to lead the country when he can’t lead a single bill to fruition after 20 years?
3. He even voted against his own bill to audit the Federal Reserve, because he didn’t get every single detail he wanted. He is so stubbornly rigid he simply takes his toys and goes home if he doesn’t get every little detail he wants.
4. Many of his domestic policies are admirable, but how does he expect to implement them when he will have to work with Congress to get many of them turned into a reality? Will he simply hold his breath until Congress lets him get his way, because he has zero track record of using any other tactic to be successful?
5. Most of his foreign policies are dangerous. If we pull out of foreign countries, the vacuum WILL be filled by Russia, China, etc. Once you lose your toehold, it is VERY difficult to expand military operations if the need arises. Think about how hard it would have been for the U.S. to fight Hitler if England had fallen. For example, if China decides they don’t want to allow free flow of oil, we would have no recourse, as it takes years, if not decades, to develop independent energy sources. He is simply naive to the point of being a traitor to his own country. Also, we need forward positioned military presence to fight the global war on terror. It isn’t being fought only in Iraq and Afghanistan, there are operations literally around the world preventing future 9/11 type attacks that simply cannot be fought by guarding our own borders, 9/11 should have taught us that. We must therefore disrupt the terrorist cells wherever they are, so they cannot organize, plan, recruit, train, equip, and attack again. To not do this would be suicidal.
For the above and other reasons, Ron gets the pot smoking and “freedom at any cost” crowd, and that’s all he will ever get…LOL

His presence though, might be an indication that we are directly over the target. Bombs away! (money bombs that is) —> Or perhaps you have an Air Force doctor leading a bombing raid and he doesn’t have a clue how to fly, where he is or how to do it. LOL

Wow. How did you find that out about Tex2? Perhaps that is why he is not jolly like I hoped he was. He told me that I’m stupid since I picture him being somewhat jolly. I pray for him, poor guy. I often wonder if he is as tenacious and somwhat insulting with his family as he is here?? But, guys, and I mean everyone–self-included, let’s not sink to the level of name-calling.

Do you understand the difference between “everybody do X” and “please could one person do Y which gives everybody X”? Although the latter might take a bit more convincing by the asker, the result is usually a lot more satisfying. (Because generally, most people won’t “do X”. Regardless of which X we’re talking about.)

I love Ron Paul! His view on Israel is not NEW! He has always stated that Israel has the right to make her own decisions! I hope that this wakes evangelicals up! I have heard Donnie Swaggart even say that Ron Paul is anti Israel and pro Muslim! I know he said this in IGNORANCE because he has been miss informed by the media! The Media has done a good job misrepresenting Ron Paul! Hopefully this will help Christians realize that Ron Paul is THE man for America! RON Paul is a wonderful, humble man!

tex2 aka Scott Johnson. Failed business owner, failed commenter. Scott Johnson has poor credentials, and does not offer any logical advice, and has proven to be a failure, along with Johnson enterprises Inc. Just another sore loser. LOL

“100% of Christian leaders that I’ve talked to, do you know the one thing they like about Ron Paul? His son Rand Paul,” Jacobs told Business Insider. —> They couldn’t name a single thing they like about Ron Paul. LOL

Do you REALLY believe a Secretary of Defense is going to be 100% forthcoming in his public statements? LOL

I think tex2 likes to think he gets paid by Romney, but I think Romney is smart enough not to hire a complete retard. Do you know who else puts LOL after every sentence and mimics people when they say something? 16 year old girls and retards. You are now in the same class as both. I bet your just some fat dude who sits at home trolling word press while your mom cooks you dinner because you still live at home and your dad left for OBVIOUS reasons. You probably don’t even care about the election you probably can’t get anyone to follow you on twitter so you need this form of attention to get you through the day. Yes your still a virgin, you went to prom with your aunt, and you haven’t seen the sun in 3 weeks. You are a vampire of good things, you do nothing good. LOL I mean what kind of idiot would say he gets paid by mitt Romney when he’s trying to smear Paul LOL don’t you think that defeats the purpose loLzZZ

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Like I said he’s clearly retarded people no merrit in debating a cripple, best to just laugh at his misfortunes

Isreal has more money, guns, tanks, plans and nukes than any of her neighbors. Even if the whole muslim world would decide to start a crusade against Isreal, they would not be able to take Isreal in a blitz.
I am not talking for Ron Paul here, but if Isreal was attacked, I think he would take it to Congress day one and send the troops over there.

I would like to know what Ron Paul’s feelings are about the Palestinians. Does he regard them as an “invented race?” Does he care about the squalor they are forced to live in with their homes being destroyed, thier water and electricity rationed, and their land and livelihoods taken from them?

There has been a news blackout of the Palestinian side for sixty years just as there has been a news black out of Ron Paul. Not everyone shares your view of why the Palestinians are living under such terrible conditions. When they dig wells the Israelis come in with bulldozers and destroy them. Palestinians are driven out of their homes and have seen them demolished. You’d be lobbing rocketrs too if someone treated you the way the Palestinians have been treated. Do some research and quit relying on the lamestream media for your information.

“Ron Paul Jerusalem” currently getting 3,560,000 hits on google search, WAY TO GO. The Entire Middle East will most likely be pissed. Jerusalem is illegally occupied by Israel. They bomb Palestine with white phosphorous and hit them with air strikes. They have illegally set up settlements on Palestinian land and let their sewage flow in the Palestinian streets. The attacks are far more fatal in Palestine. Their water, food, electricity, medical supplies, and fuel are controlled by Israel. Israeli’s attack their mosques, spray profanity on their buildings, imprison people (including children) with no judicial oversight and torture them. Occupied Palestine at wordpress has every shred of evidence you could ever need. If Ron Paul actually said the capitol of Israel is Jerusalem, I’ll force myself to regurgitate my last meal to symbolize my regret of having lunch and conversation with him recently. This needs to be clarified!

TEX2 i guess your man rick santorum dropping out has got you upset; but you don’t have to support mitt obamney
if ron paul is going to lose as you say, then why do you spend so much time on this blog hahahaha
what are you smoking to type on this blog alone around the clock? just visit the other doug wead blogs and you will only see TEX2 OR TEX3 typing endlessly; people visiting this blog only see you as PAID by ron paul rivals
tex2 time to be a good christian; go to church and please don’t forget to donate to THE RON PAUL MONEY BOMB “IN IT TO WIN IT” ON APRIL 15TH !! ron paul got me going back to church; can you imagine all his young followers who may now get their faith back in church? the youth were beginning to lose their faith in church for not voting for ron paul; you can ask any young RP supporter
GOD BLESS YOU TEX2 AND 3

You don’t have a clue about politics! If you are gonna vote for Romney, they you are a complete idiot as he is. The guy flip flops more than your moms stomach when I’m fucking her rolls. You are as out of touch as Romney was when he went into a black neighborhood and said “who let the dogs out” (look it up). Ron Paul is the fucking truth. America was supposed to be free, we succeeded from England for a reason, we became the greatest country for a reason. We are on the verge of being frigging socialist/ communist. I mean for gods sake….check out the SOPA act….the gov is after our internet, they already have the media. Look into the FED, montasonto, how about the fact that Obama wipes his ass with checks and balances, all teh “patriot act” (cleverly named) does is make it so that if you speak up against your country, you can be considered a terrorist and be locked up indefinitely with no trial…bye bye right to a trial, bye bye right to free speech. Why has minimum wage gone up a dollar but gas it 4x as expensive as it was when i started driving about 15 years ago. there are no revolutions anymore because we are so heavily policed. Why do we spend 12.5 million dollars an hour at was where we shouldn’t be in the first place, risking young men and womens lives? Why do we get in the middle of everything? The president is just a puppet, if hes someone that can be bought….Mitt Romney LOVES money and he would sell his soul to the devil for enough. Ron Paul is the fucking man, and if he we president, i would get a slap on the wrist for kicking your ass!

TEX2 i got u to admit you are the following:
1 – you do not support rick santorum and santorum is NOT responsible for your foolish comments; you have only been a mitt obamney supporter – TEX2 CHOOSES TO BE A LOSER WHILE BIG GOVT MITT OBAMNEY TAKES HIS MONEY TOO; shows that rick santorum supporters can still vote for RON PAUL
2 – YOU ARE PAID BY MITT OBAMNEY TO TROLL HERE ENDLESSLY MAKING FOOLISH COMMENTS – showing how mitt obamney is IN FEAR OF RON PAUL BEATING HIM
3 – TEX3 IS NOT A PLOY BY YOU – DUH?
4 – YOU MITT OBAMNEY LOVERS ARE SELFISH BIG GOVT THIEVES THAT SUPPORT THE SAME AS BARACK OBAMA and YOU MOCK CHRISTIANS WHO ARE NOT SUPPORTING BIG GOVT MITT OBAMNEY’S ANTI-CHRISTIAN THEFT OF AMERICANS

YOUR FEAR OF US AND RON PAUL WILL LEAD TO YOUR MITTENS OBAMNEY LOSING; IT’S HAPPENING AND YOU FEAR THE CHRISTIANS NOW JOINING RON PAUL WILL CAUSE IT

COUNT ON THAT !
don’t forget to donate to the ” IN IT TO WIN IT” RON PAUL MONEY BOMB LOSER TEX2.

tex3 is not to be confused with tex2, aka scott johnson. Tex3 supports RP to the fullest,including the money bombs. It is tex2(scott) that you question. I am just giving tex2(scott) a taste of his own “medicine”. Tex2 has been posting garbage here for years, just check older pages. The only reason tex3 is here is because i have lost patience with tex2’s rediculous arguement.
Actually, i am active on many of the same Ron Paul pages that you must frequent, but i only post as tex3 here. I encourage discussion on these important issues, and dont appreciate the ignorance that tex2 has injected into the discussions.
Please understand the differences between tex3 and tex2(scott johnson).

no. tex2 is Scott Johnson,54, Johnson enterprises inc. He is a failed business owner, and the opposite of tex3, whose business is managing to pay his bills, and maintain a profit margin.
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tex3 supports a Ron Paul presidency.

tex2(scott) supports more of the same.
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tex3 = unplugged

It’s not a gag order, you IDIOT. It’s a license to tell the truth without being subject to a SLAPP lawsuit. Why don’t you RIPtilians stay with politics, rather than looking stupid on other issues as well? LOL

This is a great article. I’ve been a big supporter of Dr. Paul since 2007, but even I learned some new things about Ron, reading this piece. I think it’s clear that the Christian community in this country, needs to decide if they’re going to follow someone who walks the walk… or talks the talk. Either way, it seems to me that it’s high time that we as a nation, stop letting our religious views and our racial affiliations shape the way we vote… these concepts may define us and enrich our lives, but if we let them rule our decision making process, we will continue to act as groups that can easily be divided (and conquered!). However, if we truly act (and govern each other) as individuals, as true citizens,… no force or tyranny will divide us!

So, for example, if a candidate is a Muslim (or Christian) who shares views with radical Muslim (or Christian) factions or a Black (or White) who has affiliations in the Black Panthers (or neo-Nazis), we should not let that shape the way we vote?

its not about sharing views, since you clearly don’t understand liberty or freedom, it about whether those people would try to force their views on others, a radical muslim who would not take one step outside of the constitution conceivably could have my vote, he’d just have to prove that intention, much the way Dr. Paul has, thats why Dr. Paul will be the FIRST person ever to recieve my vote for office.

Of course it’s about sharing views, I used those exact words because Andrew used them in the original post. You’re so drugged up on “liberty and freedom” you don’t know up from down, left from right, or light from darkness. A radical Muslim would pretend to operate within the Constitution until they had an opportunity to exercise their radical beliefs and cause great damage. And then you wonder why RIP can’t get more than 5-10% of the vote, thinking only RIPtilians understand “liberty and freedom.” I put my butt on the line as a military officer to protect your freedoms and liberty, but taken to an excess, ANY strength becomes a weakness. Protecting the Constitution involves a LOT more in the modern world than legalizing all drugs and freedom at any cost. It’s a bit difficult to be free when you’re dead. LOL

first he did not use those words, nor was he making that point, he said religion and racial lines determine our vote, extremism was not listed as something that shouldn’t matter, at least not in the OP, so that wasn’t a basis for your point. the point was, we should determine who to vote for based on the person’s action and espoused political beliefs
secondly thats why i specifically said he would have to PROVE IT to me that he was going to do that, ONLY Paul has the track-record to prove that i can believe what he says, he will do, at least currently.
thirdly.. YOU MEAN LIKE BUSH?! AND OBAMA?! both “christians”
and LASTLY, if you DESTROY the constitution in the name of protecting it, YOURE THE BIGGEST FOOL OF ALL! ROMNEY IS NO DIFFERENT THAN EITHER OF THE LAST TWO PRES. just a weak man that will say ANYTHING to get elected.

first he did not use those words, nor was he making that point, he said religion and racial lines determine our vote, extremism was not listed as something that shouldn’t matter, at least not in the OP, so that wasn’t a basis for your point. the point was, we should determine who to vote for based on the person’s action and espoused political beliefs —> And as usual, oversimplifying is dangerous and not smart. LOL

secondly thats why i specifically said he would have to PROVE IT to me that he was going to do that, ONLY Paul has the track-record to prove that i can believe what he says, he will do, at least currently. —> RIP has been ineffective for the past 20 years, what makes you think he can now suddenly lead, something he’s NEVER done? LOL

thirdly.. YOU MEAN LIKE BUSH?! AND OBAMA?! both “christians” —> I think Bush applied Christian principles, not Barry.

and LASTLY, if you DESTROY the constitution in the name of protecting it, YOURE THE BIGGEST FOOL OF ALL! —> I never suggested destroying it, YOU’RE THE BIGGEST FOOL OF ALL!!! LOL

ROMNEY IS NO DIFFERENT THAN EITHER OF THE LAST TWO PRES. just a weak man that will say ANYTHING to get elected. —> All 3 of these are different. You’re a stupid fool for suggesting otherwise. Just because they’re not in favor of legalizing ALL drugs and “freedom at any cost” kookiness, doesn’t make them identical. LOL

straw man buddy, didn’t make those arguments at all concerning drugs, take a logic class
bush- you mean like pre-emptive war? show me where that is listed under the Just-War doctrine, since that is the christian way.
but not just that he lied about what he stood for
in case you hadn’t noticed since 9/11 we have been making swiss cheeze of our constitution and its getting worse almost every day, your boy, obama and bush are all IDENTICAL in those regaurds, your lack of perspective doesn’t change facts, read the constitution and then tell me where any of what we do today is constitutional (NDAA, PATRIOT ACT, SOPA/PIPA(defeated for now, but several new versions have already arrived) undeclared wars, using UN as justification for invasion, the constitution is on its very last breath, not to mention no more due process, now all we get is ‘judicial’ process which does not include many unalienable rights as laid down in the constitution, if that doesn’t constitute destruction of the constitution then ill cut your head off and be legal in doing so. Thats how Amerika does it right? not even allowed to protest near anyone who has a ss detail. you’re either paying 0 attention, or you’re just flat dishonest, and the final point is yes you are advocating the further destruction of the constitution by supporting people who wish to further the cause of the status quo(subversion of rights and distruction of wealth through endless wars and NO spending cuts, every single person to review mittless’ “budget plan” all agree it will raise the deficit SIGNIFICANTLY over the next 10 years) there is NOTHING worthwhile about romney, you have brought NO ideas about what should be done, all you can do is trash others who have viable ideas, do something besides take up space and ruin this country

I have to agree Tex2 is a complete idiot but does tend to provide humor among these forums. See while you don’t care what anyone thinks, feels, or is determined to fight for you simply remind all of us to the day back in grade school where the class clown was always around. Sad thing is that this kind of personality flaw only leads to a useless American, if you even ARE an American. But hey, keep doing what you’re doing, liberty gives you that right as we all know in the end you just amount to nothing in the grand scheme of things, as do all trolls out there. Trolls are mindless drones that are incapable of personal thought. You see the only thing they are good at is turning anything into something whether it is factional or fictional or even simply gibberish. We all know they do not care for anyone whether they state otherwise or not. Once you recognize a troll, paid or otherwise it only further shows the type of candidate that you are dealing with and gives you a better idea of the type of people that follow them. We here see them as nothing more than cowards unable to function under normal social circumstances as they “believe” that those they get responses from actually recognize them for something, which is laughable at best. Oh, on a side note, how about you message your candidate and ask him not to be a coward like you and man up for the debate in Texas? I’m guessing though he will be too scared to face the people that want to rip him apart, good for them though. Yes, this is your alternate name, we can immitate mindless trolls as well, did I forget to mention that?

hey, im also tex3! we think alike when it comes to dealing with ignorance.
tex2 is Scott Johnson, a 54 year old failed business owner from Texas. He has received the same sentiment on many other comment threads regarding “Amway Tool Scam”.
I guess if youre a “tool”, you will be scammed. LOL

here is an article ridiculing Scott Johnson(tex2), and he receives similar redicule in the comment section below. LOL

cott) said; There are millions of others like me, ripped off by the ATS. LOL
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LOL! really? I guess they couldnt find any of the comment threads that you posted in, because all i saw was more people that disagree with you. LOL

tex2(scott) said; You don’t realize it, but I’m at least 3 steps ahead of you at all times, keep that in mind. LOL
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How could that be? You have yet to understand the issues that RP speaks of. That is obvious. LOL

Why Ron Paul would NOT be a good president:
1. He is old, mousey, whiny, grumpy, skinny, etc. Do not underestimate the importance of these factors, as a very large number of voters are not familiar with the issues, and vote for vanity. Sad but true. It does no good to have good ideas when you don’t have the presidential image, and Ron has neither.
2. He has been in Congress for 2 decades and doesn’t have a single bill to his name. We elected someone president with zero accomplishments in 2008, why would we want to do that again? How can you expect him to be able to lead the country when he can’t lead a single bill to fruition after 20 years?
3. He even voted against his own bill to audit the Federal Reserve, because he didn’t get every single detail he wanted. He is so stubbornly rigid he simply takes his toys and goes home if he doesn’t get every little detail he wants.
4. Many of his domestic policies are admirable, but how does he expect to implement them when he will have to work with Congress to get many of them turned into a reality? Will he simply hold his breath until Congress lets him get his way, because he has zero track record of using any other tactic to be successful?
5. Most of his foreign policies are dangerous. If we pull out of foreign countries, the vacuum WILL be filled by Russia, China, etc. Once you lose your toehold, it is VERY difficult to expand military operations if the need arises. Think about how hard it would have been for the U.S. to fight Hitler if England had fallen. For example, if China decides they don’t want to allow free flow of oil, we would have no recourse, as it takes years, if not decades, to develop independent energy sources. He is simply naive to the point of being a traitor to his own country. Also, we need forward positioned military presence to fight the global war on terror. It isn’t being fought only in Iraq and Afghanistan, there are operations literally around the world preventing future 9/11 type attacks that simply cannot be fought by guarding our own borders, 9/11 should have taught us that. We must therefore disrupt the terrorist cells wherever they are, so they cannot organize, plan, recruit, train, equip, and attack again. To not do this would be suicidal.
For the above and other reasons, Ron gets the pot smoking and “freedom at any cost” crowd, and that’s all he will ever get. LOL

tex 2…your responses are typical media talking head responses. they have been hammered into your brain so much that you believe them to be true. you are looking at the world the way it was taught to you, not the way it actually is.

John LiPari…your responses are conspiracy talking head responses. they have been hammered into your brain so much that you believe them to be true. you are looking at the world the way it was taught to you, not the way it actually is. LOL

i could break down every single one of your points and them some…but would it honestly matter? you are on here 24 hours a day. you’re just annoying. nobody here gives a shhhh what you think… nobody cares about your opinion. on here…you are one big NOTHING! a zero taking up space.

And it is the same, useless, ridiculous tripe it smears each and every post with.
Truly, it’s not worth anyone’s attention– and surely not worth our words. Seems it hates Doug Wead (something to do with text-ewww losing his/her shirt with Amway), so stalks Doug and trolls each and every one of his posts. Honestly, that idiot should be completely ignored.

No you can’t. You’re just annoying. nobody here gives a shhhh what you think… nobody cares about your opinion. on here…you are one big NOTHING! a zero taking up space. LOL
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read comment to yourself, scott. LOL

1. it is laughable you cite reasons not to elect Ron Paul as follows; skinny and grumpy.

Counter: Mitt Romney is; two faced, a liar, says he’s a Mormon but believes that the bible is the word of god, will say anything that gets him paid, secretive, disconnected from the heart of America.

2. You must be getting your news from Terrell the turtle. Paul has been the catalysts for many bills. I will cite them if you cite the bill you are talking about in point 3.

Counter for 2&3; how many bills is Mitt Romney responsible for? How long gasify Romney been in congress? What has mitt Romney ever done in his lifetime to be deed worthy of presidential caliber? When did he serve his country? When did he get his doctorate degree? Paul has the latter two mitt doesn’t.

4. If you knew how our government worked, which I question you do, you’d know that the president has powers to control legislation being passed or vetoed. Being president will NOT allow anyone to have supreme power over the laws being made, it’s called a series of checks and balances. Go back to 6th grade.

Counter for 4; how will mitt Romney pass his pro life laws on a federal level? He can’t because some issues are state issues, a fact dr. Paul clearly understand because he is a master of the constitution. Mitt can barely read the checks he is handed by Halliburton.

Ah 5: I somewhat like your point that we would lose footholds in countries, however your logic is wrong. If we are spending billions of dollars to stay in those countries, that means china and Russia will have to pay billions to be in those countries as well. We are going bankrupt by staying in so many places. Can’t you understand that? Romney campers think the debt of this country is something that resulted from Obama or magical fairies. No the debt comes from war after war after war. Panama, Iraq, Iraq again. Libya, Iran, Pakistan. All these Places whether there is full blown war or not all cost MONEY.

Counter for 5: Romney supports war with Iran if Israel attacks first right? How much will that costs? How many you g men and women will die? How many civilians die? How long will we be there? Did we find any weapons? No we didn’t? When did we invade? Ten years ago?! Sounds pretty familiar doesn’t it.

You just got mentally facialed, and morally outgunned. You are a paid Romney troll and you can tell him to start spending more money for Tampa. He’s gonna need it, oh wait he’s already in debt. Paul = 0 debt and he’s doing pretty well with money.

1. it is laughable you cite reasons not to elect Ron Paul as follows; skinny and grumpy. —> No, it isn’t. As I stated on another response, many people don’t know the issues and vote purely on vanity. Their vote counts just as much as yours does. LOL

Counter: Mitt Romney is; two faced, a liar, says he’s a Mormon but believes that the bible is the word of god, will say anything that gets him paid, secretive, disconnected from the heart of America. —> And who has more votes again? By a margin of 4 to 1? LOL

2. You must be getting your news from Terrell the turtle. Paul has been the catalysts for many bills. I will cite them if you cite the bill you are talking about in point 3. —> I didn’t say “catalyst,” I said author. The answer: ZERO. LOL Look up the bill yourself. LOL

Counter for 2&3; how many bills is Mitt Romney responsible for? —> He’s never been in the legislature, but he signed dozens, if not hundreds, of bills while the governor of Massachusetts, giving him valuable executive experience of which RIP has ZERO. LOL

How long gasify Romney been in congress? —> Thankfully, never. LOL

What has mitt Romney ever done in his lifetime to be deed worthy of presidential caliber? Several things, business experience, saved the Olympics, governor of Massachusetts. That’s a LOT more applicable experience than RIP has. LOL

When did he serve his country? —> You mean as something besides a doctor? LOL All of his experience above is service to his country. LOL

When did he get his doctorate degree? —> We don’t need a doctor, we need a president. LOL

Paul has the latter two mitt doesn’t. —> Sure he did, see above. LOL

4. If you knew how our government worked, which I question you do, you’d know that the president has powers to control legislation being passed or vetoed. —> I know how our government works, my point is RIP doesn’t know how to work with others or lead others. He’s a loner and stubborn. LOL

Being president will NOT allow anyone to have supreme power over the laws being made, it’s called a series of checks and balances. Go back to 6th grade. —> Playing well with others is what is needed. Go back to 1st grade. LOL

Counter for 4; how will mitt Romney pass his pro life laws on a federal level? He can’t because some issues are state issues, a fact dr. Paul clearly understand because he is a master of the constitution. Mitt can barely read the checks he is handed by Halliburton. —> I doubt Romney will do much with pro life laws. That is a secondary or tertiary concern at this time. LOL

Ah 5: I somewhat like your point that we would lose footholds in countries, however your logic is wrong. —> Am I? LOL

If we are spending billions of dollars to stay in those countries, that means china and Russia will have to pay billions to be in those countries as well. —> No, they would have no problem with annexing those countries and taxing them to pay for their expenses. LOL

We are going bankrupt by staying in so many places. —> I agree we can scale back, but to get out completely is stupid. LOL

Can’t you understand that? —> Can’t you understand that? LOL

Romney campers think the debt of this country is something that resulted from Obama or magical fairies. —> No, they don’t. But Barry is responsible for a lot of it. LOL

No the debt comes from war after war after war. —> And many other sources, such as TARP, stimulus money, lack of modifying social security, medicaid, medicare, welfare, waste, etc.

Panama, Iraq, Iraq again. Libya, Iran, Pakistan. All these Places whether there is full blown war or not all cost MONEY. —> Maintaining a safer country costs money. LOL

Counter for 5: Romney supports war with Iran if Israel attacks first right? —> I don’t know his position on this. LOL

How much will that costs? —> I don’t know, it depends on how many other countries help out. LOL How much will it cost if Iran gives a dirty nuclear bomb to terrorists they set it off in NYC or some other city? You RIPtilians think you can make a decision to not go to war and the other choice is free. It isn’t. LOL

How many you g men and women will die? —> I don’t know, it depends on the nature of the war, how long it goes on, how much help we have, etc. LOL How many young men and women should die for us not to have a weekly 9/11 event? LOL

How many civilians die? —> Probably less than a terrorist group blowing up a dirty nuke in NYC or somewhere else. LOL

How long will we be there? —> I don’t know, it depends on the nature of the war, how much help we have, etc. LOL

Did we find any weapons? —> I think you mean Iraq. Not yet, and they may be in Syria. LOL

No we didn’t? —> See above. LOL

When did we invade? —> I believe it was 2003.

Ten years ago?! —> That would be 9 years for Iraq. LOL

Sounds pretty familiar doesn’t it. —> Familiar to what? LOL

You just got mentally facialed, and morally outgunned. —> No, you just got mentally facialed, and morally outgunned.

You are a paid Romney troll and you can tell him to start spending more money for Tampa. —> You mean for the celebration party? LOL

He’s gonna need it, oh wait he’s already in debt. —> I think he still has money on hand, and will soon have a LOT more to go up against Barry. LOL

Paul = 0 debt and he’s doing pretty well with money. —> But not with votes. LOL

I’ve been waiting for a chance to address the points you make in 5. with someone and since you espouse them it seems like a good chance. What you say seems logical and it’s true that we don’t currently have superpowers threatening to kill each other due to America’s current dominance, but don’t you think we’re reaching a point where we are overextending ourselves? Our ability to provide global defence is not unlimited and neither is our troops moral. Indefinate wars to come to a breaking point eventually, don’t you agree? As for the terrorists, why do you believe they attacked us on 9/11? Believe me, I’m not one of those blame America types. I think a lot of what was done during the cold war was right as communism was spreading at that time and was a serious cancer on humanity. I think America is a beacon for the world even now during all this corruption and endless war, but I also think that not every battle needs to be fought and some are fought based on lies. What’s your thoughts on this?

Another thing I forrgot to mention is isn’t a lot of this global defence we provide in the interest of other countries? Do we really need bases everywhere to protect oil routes or should our bases be only on those routes, not in Germany? Isn’t it time the EU paid for its own defence and not relied on us, the broke babysitter, to take care of them?WWII was a long time ago. Shouldn’t they deal with their own problems?

Hi tex2, —> Hi hellome78, sorry it has taken me a while to get back with you, I’ve been handling the riffraff on this blog. LOL

I’ve been waiting for a chance to address the points you make in 5. with someone and since you espouse them it seems like a good chance. —> I agree.

What you say seems logical and it’s true that we don’t currently have superpowers threatening to kill each other due to America’s current dominance, but don’t you think we’re reaching a point where we are overextending ourselves? —> I think we have to a certain extent, but we are almost fully pulled out of Iraq, as planned by the Bush administration and continued by Barry. A similar withdrawal is going on in Afghanistan. I also believe we have learned some valuable lesson on how to fight terrorism, such as less reliance on massive force and more emphasis on special operations, intelligence, etc.

Our ability to provide global defence is not unlimited and neither is our troops moral. —> No doubt, but we are training up the local folks to protect themselves and pulling out.

Indefinate wars to come to a breaking point eventually, don’t you agree? —> Yes, I do.

As for the terrorists, why do you believe they attacked us on 9/11? —> I think there are a variety of reasons. They don’t like us on Middle Eastern soil, they think our morals are rotten (and to some extent I agree), and they interpret the Koran in such a manner that it is their duty to kill all non-Muslims, especially Christians and Jews. I have read the Koran and know these ideas are in the book, praise be to Allah. LOL

Believe me, I’m not one of those blame America types. —> Neither am I, and I also don’t believe we are perfect, either. But we are much better than any other country, by far.

I think a lot of what was done during the cold war was right as communism was spreading at that time and was a serious cancer on humanity. —> I agree, the USSR and China each killed 10s of millions of people, and focused on the educated.

I think America is a beacon for the world even now during all this corruption and endless war, but I also think that not every battle needs to be fought and some are fought based on lies. —> I agree we are a beacon for the world, and if the corruption you are talking about is other countries, we have to deal with it the best we can, but the Iraq and Afghanistan wars are not endless. However, as Bush said soon after 9/11, the war on terrorism is bound to be very long, probably beyond all of our lives. We pick and choose our battles, there are many other places we could be and aren’t, or are there in a very scaled back manner. I don’t know about the lies you are referring to, but when you’re dealing with intelligence information such as the WMD in Iraq, you often don’t know with 100% certainty, that’s often the nature of intelligence information.

What’s your thoughts on this? —> See above, and thanks for a reasonable approach, which is a very rare occurrence on this blog. LOL

Another thing I forrgot to mention is isn’t a lot of this global defence we provide in the interest of other countries? —> Yes, it is. A lot of countries are spoiled by us contributing a lot more than we should, and them less than they should.

Do we really need bases everywhere to protect oil routes or should our bases be only on those routes, not in Germany? —> The German presence could be reduced, as it is there largely as a result of the end of WWII and the Cold War. However, Russia is still a potential threat, so we shouldn’t pull out completely.

Isn’t it time the EU paid for its own defence and not relied on us, the broke babysitter, to take care of them? —> Yes, see above. However, joint cooperation, coordination, and exercises still make having a presence necessary. After all, we are a superpower.

WWII was a long time ago. —> In some ways yes, in other ways, no.

Shouldn’t they deal with their own problems? —> Yes, and if they had, there wouldn’t have been a WWI or WWII. It is obvious they can’t do it by themselves, and we haven’t had a major war in Europe since, so we may be doing something right. Imagine the cost, in terms of lives and money, of another European WWIII.

1. Matter of Perception: Ron Paul is skinny? LOL. That’s your first attack? LOL. I’ll grant that people are into vanity, but not the people that are actually becoming DELEGATES! LOL
2. His Congressional Record is Superb. He didn’t vote to expand the Dept. of Ed, didn’t vote for the Patriot Act—as a matter of fact, he voted for the *gasp* Constitution! All of the legislation he put forward was denied because the rest of the Congress votes AGAINST the Constitution. But you haven’t read it, so I can see why you would argue this “point” LOL
3. His full Audit of the Fed was attached to a Monstrosity of a bill, the Dodd/Frank bill, and it was an audit of the last 2 years, not a full audit. That’s like introducing a bill to repeal the Income Tax, changing it to only reducing it by 3%, then attaching it to a bill that allows the President to arrest and detain US Citizens indefinitely, and without trial (I think the subtlety is lost on tex2 LOL)
4. You’re obviously not familiar with what an “Executive Agency” is. As the head of the Executive Branch, he can IMMEDIATELY ELIMINATE Executive Departments WITHOUT Congress’ vote. So that’s how he gets the taxes lower and the spending lower. He doesn’t even NEED a vote from Congress to do this if it’s in his own branch. I guess you never learned about Separation of Powers LOL
5.Yes. His idea of not invading countries that never attacked us is so crazy LOL Seriously, if you think that troops in Japan and Germany is what is preventing another 9/11, then LOL you’re in idiot! What’s traitorous is lying about WMDs in Iraq to bring us to war. What’s traitorous is getting the UN and NATO’s “approval” to use OUR troops in Libya. What’s traitorous is invading countries that never attacked us WITHOUT CONGRESSIONAL DECLARATION. like the Constitution says. But you never read that document, did you LOL

1. Matter of Perception: Ron Paul is skinny? LOL. That’s your first attack? LOL. I’ll grant that people are into vanity, but not the people that are actually becoming DELEGATES! LOL —> I’m not talking about only the Republican nomination, although it is a factor there as well, but mostly the general election. LOL Even in Republican convention, the delegates are bound in primary states to vote as the primary went for at least the first ballot. And, you didn’t include old, mousey, whiny, grumpy, etc., either. People who vote for vanity and are clueless about the issues count just as much as YOUR vote. Think about it. LOL

2. His Congressional Record is Superb. He didn’t vote to expand the Dept. of Ed, didn’t vote for the Patriot Act—as a matter of fact, he voted for the *gasp* Constitution! All of the legislation he put forward was denied because the rest of the Congress votes AGAINST the Constitution. But you haven’t read it, so I can see why you would argue this “point” LOL —> He votes for HIS interpretation of the Constitution. The founding fathers set up a system whereby people who can work in groups get things done, such that no single person can take over. RIP is unable to work in that environment, and now you want him to be president? LOL

3. His full Audit of the Fed was attached to a Monstrosity of a bill, the Dodd/Frank bill, and it was an audit of the last 2 years, not a full audit. —> That’s my point. He could have starting voting FOR bills such as that one two decades ago and made a name for himself and then he would have a legitimate shot at the presidency. But he needs everything 100% his way, and it simply isn’t going to happen with our representative republic system, and he never figured that out. LOL

That’s like introducing a bill to repeal the Income Tax, changing it to only reducing it by 3%, then attaching it to a bill that allows the President to arrest and detain US Citizens indefinitely, and without trial (I think the subtlety is lost on tex2 LOL) —> It isn’t lost on me a bit. There are things going on that are disturbing, but you have to work within the system and build up a reputation, then when you speak people listen. RIP never figured that out. LOL

As the head of the Executive Branch, he can IMMEDIATELY ELIMINATE Executive Departments WITHOUT Congress’ vote. —> There is a lot more involved in my original comment than ONLY eliminating agencies. Also, agencies either have to be replaced with something or accept the consequences of them no longer existing. Both of these involve funding, and now Congress is back in the picture. LOL

So that’s how he gets the taxes lower and the spending lower. —> Sounds good, see above. LOL

He doesn’t even NEED a vote from Congress to do this if it’s in his own branch. —> Sounds good, see above. LOL

I guess you never learned about Separation of Powers LOL —> I guess you never heard of reality. LOL

5.Yes. His idea of not invading countries that never attacked us is so crazy LOL —> It’s no longer only countries attacking us, the nature of terrorism is countries provide/allow safe haven to organize, plan, finance, recruit, train, and execute terrorist activities. LOL

Seriously, if you think that troops in Japan and Germany is what is preventing another 9/11, then LOL you’re in idiot! —> I never said that, but you are an idiot. LOL However, there are terrorist cells in Europe and southeast Asia, and our presence there helps coordinate/cooperate with other countries and stop them before they attack. LOL

What’s traitorous is lying about WMDs in Iraq to bring us to war. —> I don’t believe they lied. LOL

What’s traitorous is getting the UN and NATO’s “approval” to use OUR troops in Libya. —> It’s called working with others, something mentally foreign (get the double entendre? – LOL) to RIPtilians. LOL We do it with most hostile actions. LOL

What’s traitorous is invading countries that never attacked us WITHOUT CONGRESSIONAL DECLARATION. —> Ever hear of the War Power Act? Do you think it is unconstitutional? LOL

like the Constitution says. But you never read that document, did you LOL —> I’ve read it. I even understand it, unlike RIPtilians. LOL

What a loon. —> Yes, you are. LOL

This person deserves no more attention. LOL —> I think you deserve a LOT more attention, so others can see how a RIPtilian thinks. LOL

After reading all of this…. I can’t help but feel for you son. It is apparent that you have lost all faith in this great nation as well as its people. I am not like you, I believe in everything that this great nation once stood for. If you cannot see the flaws in your own writing there is nothing to debate about here. This is equivalent to trying to force a hardcore repeat drug addict into a perfectly clean lifestyle. All that I can suggest here is that you actually take some time to travel the globe and speak with the varieties of culture out there to really understand where you personally stand. Until you have done that, as I have, there is nothing more to say here between you and I. You can continue to write all the quips that you want ever having the desire to really know the truth, it is your right, something we fought for because we believed in it. There is a reason that allies across the world are in support of this man, it is way beyond just America at this point. I truly have compassion for you as well as your family; though, I have to accept that there are people out there that simply do not have the ability to comprehend our (and I mean world here) dire situation and that is understandable, we are human after all. We will continue to fight for you regardless of this fact, I know that I personally am still willing to lay down my life to ensure harmony for our species. I can only hope that one day you are able to wake up and see the reality of our current presidency as well as those two seeking his office for power and what will come if they are given unrestricted reign. They will lead you all down a very dark road of which you will never recover. May your life be more fruitful and longer than it is currently set to be and may mercy be the guide in your end. For the truly patriotic out there. I want to thank you for giving us something to believe in.
“Even in a sliver of hope the darkest of evils can be expelled.”

After reading all of this…. I can’t help but feel for you son. —> Thanks, “dad.” LOL

It is apparent that you have lost all faith in this great nation as well as its people. —> No, I haven’t. But there are a lot of misguided and disengaged fools. LOL

I am not like you, I believe in everything that this great nation once stood for. —> So do I, are you SURE we’re not the same person? LOL

If you cannot see the flaws in your own writing there is nothing to debate about here. —> Okay, I’ll admit I win. LOL

This is equivalent to trying to force a hardcore repeat drug addict into a perfectly clean lifestyle. —> I understand 90-95% of these folks eventually quit, at least that’s what I heard Stossell say on Fox News. LOL

All that I can suggest here is that you actually take some time to travel the globe and speak with the varieties of culture out there to really understand where you personally stand. —> I’ve done that, I visited numerous countries during and after I was in the Navy. NEXT! LOL

Until you have done that, as I have, there is nothing more to say here between you and I. —> I guess we can get started again, that was quick. LOL

You can continue to write all the quips that you want ever having the desire to really know the truth, it is your right, something we fought for because we believed in it. —> You can continue to write all the quips that you want ever having the desire to really know the truth, it is your right, something we fought for because we believed in it. LOL

There is a reason that allies across the world are in support of this man, it is way beyond just America at this point. —> Please provide proof of this. LOL

I truly have compassion for you as well as your family; though, I have to accept that there are people out there that simply do not have the ability to comprehend our (and I mean world here) dire situation and that is understandable, we are human after all. —> I truly have compassion for you as well as your family; though, I have to accept that there are people out there that simply do not have the ability to comprehend our (and I mean world here) dire situation and that is understandable, we are human after all. LOL

We will continue to fight for you regardless of this fact, I know that I personally am still willing to lay down my life to ensure harmony for our species. —> We will continue to fight for you regardless of this fact, I know that I personally am still willing to lay down my life to ensure harmony for our species. LOL

I can only hope that one day you are able to wake up and see the reality of our current presidency as well as those two seeking his office for power and what will come if they are given unrestricted reign. —> I can only hope that one day you are able to wake up and see the reality of our current presidency as well as those two seeking his office for power and what will come if they are given unrestricted reign. LOL

They will lead you all down a very dark road of which you will never recover. —> They (Barry and RIP) will lead you all down a very dark road of which you will never recover. LOL

May your life be more fruitful and longer than it is currently set to be and may mercy be the guide in your end. —> May your life be more fruitful and longer than it is currently set to be and may mercy be the guide in your end. LOL

For the truly patriotic out there. I want to thank you for giving us something to believe in. —> For the truly patriotic out there. I want to thank you for giving us something to believe in. LOL

“Even in a sliver of hope the darkest of evils can be expelled.” —> “Even in a sliver of hope the darkest of evils can be expelled.” LOL

The parts I parroted back to you are because as much as you think they are true from your warped RIPtilian perspective, I also believe from my fact, logic, and experienced based positions. LOL

1. So if RP is such a turn off and out of touch with voters, why are you even bothering to reply every post in support of him? You are expending extraordinary effort to attack someone who has supposedly no chance of winning. Also voting is not about betting which horse will win, its about voting for the candidate who best represent your beliefs and ideas.
2. I’d rather have no bill than bills like Patriot Act, TSA, NDAA, SOPA or its clone variant. I’d rather have no bills than bills being passed without congress having time to read it. How does having bad bills under your belt count as accomplishments and leadership of the country? I expect him to lead the country by repealing bad legislation.
3. Yes we need some of that instead of the nod nod wink wink thats been going on for years. Its about doing the right thing, not horsetrading the country to special interests.
4. Some tension between the executive and legislative is good, that’s what balance of power is about. Better Ron Paul as president debating real issues with congress than the current mass distraction over the Buffett tax.
5. Sure just leave the vacumn in your own backyard to be filled by drug cartels and gangs. WWII was fought and won in 5 years. Afghanistan is 10 and counting. Saddam Hussein was Al-qaeda’s No.2 target after the US. RP is not against wars for defending the country, he is against wars undeclared by congress without a goal, the so called endless wars/occupation that by the way, has already costs more lives than 9/11. RP voted to go get OBL, Bush/Cheney/Obama took a detour to Iraq fighting unnecessary wars, I think the traitor is the man who weakens the country’s resources and taking the country down an unsustainable path of endless wars, supposedly for “national interest” just like Hitler (german expansion) and the militarist in Japan (yes Japan fought for oil and resouces too) did.

1. So if RP is such a turn off and out of touch with voters, why are you even bothering to reply every post in support of him? —> I like to pull out weads while they are small. Pun intended. LOL

Besides, why would I want to converse with those I agree with, that would be boring, not very stimulating or educational, which is why everybody else is here! LOL

You are expending extraordinary effort to attack someone who has supposedly no chance of winning. —> Point? LOL

Also voting is not about betting which horse will win, its about voting for the candidate who best represent your beliefs and ideas. —> It’s about a combination of both. LOL

2. I’d rather have no bill than bills like Patriot Act, TSA, NDAA, SOPA or its clone variant. —> And you would probably be dead by now. LOL

I’d rather have no bills than bills being passed without congress having time to read it. —> Me too. LOL

How does having bad bills under your belt count as accomplishments and leadership of the country? —> You need to define “bad.” Most bills have what I would consider good and bad. LOL

I expect him to lead the country by repealing bad legislation. —> And when he’s overruled on his vetoes because most people don’t like him? LOL

3. Yes we need some of that instead of the nod nod wink wink thats been going on for years. —> I agree, the problem is RIP is ALL of that. LOL

Its about doing the right thing, not horsetrading the country to special interests. —> Agreed, but horsetrading has been around forever and it will be around forever. LOL

4. Some tension between the executive and legislative is good, that’s what balance of power is about. —> Agreed, but not TOTALLY being at odds with each other. LOL

Better Ron Paul as president debating real issues with congress than the current mass distraction over the Buffett tax. —> No, that’s too scaring to contemplate. LOL

5. Sure just leave the vacumn in your own backyard to be filled by drug cartels and gangs. —> ??? LOL

WWII was fought and won in 5 years. —> And we had a defined enemy and lots of help. LOL

Afghanistan is 10 and counting. —> And Bush said it would be a long journey soon after 9/11. LOL

Saddam Hussein was Al-qaeda’s No.2 target after the US. —> Proof? LOL

RP is not against wars for defending the country, he is against wars undeclared by congress without a goal, the so called endless wars/occupation that by the way, has already costs more lives than 9/11. —> Ever hear of the War Powers Act? Do you think it is unconstitutional? LOL By the way, we have a goal, and we’re not occupying these countries, we are training up their own people to keep the terrorists tamped down. LOL

RP voted to go get OBL, Bush/Cheney/Obama took a detour to Iraq fighting unnecessary wars, I think the traitor is the man who weakens the country’s resources and taking the country down an unsustainable path of endless wars, supposedly for “national interest” just like Hitler (german expansion) and the militarist in Japan (yes Japan fought for oil and resouces too) did. —> Clearly, we are not doing what Germany and Japan did in WWII. LOL Also, OBL is not the only goal, the terrorist network is too distributed to go after one guy and expect the rest to fall like dominoes. LOL

WOOOOHOOO tex2 finally said something above kindergarten level.
1. He thinks the looks of a president are more important than the issues. LOL.
2. He supports Congress and the policy which got the USA to lose the S&P’s AAA rating. LOL.
3. He wants Congressmen to vote on bills they dont agree on. Patriot act is such a nice name, vote for it. LOL.
4. He thinks the president has not enough power. LOL.
5. He thinks Germany will attack England if the US-Base in Rammstein is closed. LOL

1. Who cares about people who vote based on looks? Are you in it for the issues or for the “win”? Is this a game of football to you?

2. He’s a constitutionalist. While everyone else are busy trying to make a name for themselves by flooding the US with unconstitutional laws, he works to block them. He doesn’t push for new laws because he knows you need less of them, not more.

3. Clearly the bill wasn’t good for what he originally intended it to accomplish.

4. Who cares? As president he can at the very least stop many bad laws from passing by vetoing.

5. Those forward bases did nothing to stop 9/11 and they’ll continue to do nothing to stop terrorism. In fact, they’re the best terrorist recruitment centers in the world. The CIA knows this very well. Besides, your greatest threat isn’t China or terrorism, it’s your phony economy. There is no money and your military will collapse whether you like it or not.

1. Who cares about people who vote based on looks? —> You should, unless you don’t care about winning an election. LOL

Are you in it for the issues or for the “win”? —> Both. LOL

Is this a game of football to you? —> No. LOL

2. He’s a constitutionalist. While everyone else are busy trying to make a name for themselves by flooding the US with unconstitutional laws, he works to block them. —> RIP hasn’t been very successful, has he? LOL

He doesn’t push for new laws because he knows you need less of them, not more. —> How about new laws, such as reducing welfare? LOL

3. Clearly the bill wasn’t good for what he originally intended it to accomplish. —> Clearly he doesn’t understand how our government works. LOL

4. Who cares? As president he can at the very least stop many bad laws from passing by vetoing. —> He can also be overridden by Congress. LOL

5. Those forward bases did nothing to stop 9/11 and they’ll continue to do nothing to stop terrorism. —> While obviously not preventing 9/11, they probably saved us from other attacks before 9/11, and definitely helped after 9/11. You’re just plain stupid to think otherwise.

In fact, they’re the best terrorist recruitment centers in the world. —> I think the momentum on this has turned, to use a football analogy. LOL

I will have to copy&paste your comment. Its nice to have a single click to pull up all of these videos at once. Undisputable evidence of the desperation of the establishment to cheat the masses. There is no contesting that. I wish the sheep would look at these.

We have already figured out your chip; your failure to make sales, and blaming Amway for your own lack of success, meanwhile, there are those that have had success with Amway products. Scott, it is your fault, you are not successful.
Who should you listen to? A person who is successful at what they do or someone who knows everything but has no success at all. Thank about it. LOL

tex2(scott), you have just been taken to school. LOL
Of course you will argue back, attempting to change the subject.
To disagree with the evidence John just spanked you with will only show your desperation, as it is undisputable. Are you seriously unaware of the fraud? I doubt that. LOL

“In view of his most-recent puerile and abusive comments posted on your Blog, I thought it might be interesting for you, and your free-thinking readers, to take a look at two documents written by ‘Tex’ and signed with his given name, Mr. Scott E. Johnson, as the proud owner of ‘Johnson Enterprises’ – a Texas-registered corporate structure set up to peddle ‘Amway’ water filters which are of such of great value that ‘Johnson Enterprises’ has apparently never declared an annual trading profit.”

Tex2, let me get this right, you said, “so what if I’m paid this is America right?”
Please just admit to everyone on this thread that you get paid by the Romney camp to be on here trolling. Your job is to try and make Ron Paul look stupid, insignificant, and unelectable right?
Your job is impossible. When did mitt Romney serve his country? Is mitt Romney a doctor? Has mitt Romney been consistent on every single issue for the last 20 years? No he hasn’t has he.
The Romney campaign should fire you, and stop hiring trolls. The Internet is the home field of democracy, clearly a field Romney feels inferior stepping on.
Whatever god you believe in, if you do that Is, he/she/it will judge you when you leave this place. How will you feel when you look back and you see that money consumed your life and the insecurities about yourself bind you to material possessions. I would like to hear one valid point/argument against Ron Paul because I have read your posts and all you do is talk out pure opinion and state sources which embody “some people” “everybody” “all the Christians I know/talked to”. I hope you know that you don’t know everyone, and you could know 3 Christians, citing them like their Britanica is hilarious and a fallacy.
But god bless you Tex2. Namaste! Hopefully you will find inner happiness and free yourself from the insecurities that plague you and constrict you to a life of unhappy trolling. I pray that your life finds meaning other than money, and praying on others to quell your own issues that exist inside you.

Tex2, let me get this right, you said, “so what if I’m paid this is America right?” —> This may be the only thing you get right on this post. LOL

Please just admit to everyone on this thread that you get paid by the Romney camp to be on here trolling. —> Admit sounds so much like I’m pleading guilty to a crime, how about if I said I proudly get paid by the Romney camp to be here informing others of the facts? LOL

Your job is to try and make Ron Paul look stupid, insignificant, and unelectable right? —> No, RIP does a fine job of that all by himself. LOL

Your job is impossible. —> First you need to identify what my job is, and you haven’t yet. LOL

When did mitt Romney serve his country? —> He became a productive member of society, he contributed to consulting businesses, got the Olympics back on track, was in a financial company that created jobs. Thank you Mitt Romney for serving your country. LOL

Is mitt Romney a doctor? —> As far as I know, he is not. Do you know something that I don’t? LOL

Has mitt Romney been consistent on every single issue for the last 20 years? No he hasn’t has he. —> No, but his changes have been going in the right direction, both figuratively and literally. LOL

The Romney campaign should fire you, and stop hiring trolls. —> You just earned me a raise. LOL

The Internet is the home field of democracy, clearly a field Romney feels inferior stepping on. —> Why, I’m here? LOL

Whatever god you believe in, if you do that Is, he/she/it will judge you when you leave this place. —> He’s judging me right now, can’t you hear the clapping? LOL

How will you feel when you look back and you see that money consumed your life and the insecurities about yourself bind you to material possessions. —> How has money consumed my life? LOL

I would like to hear one valid point/argument against Ron Paul because I have read your posts and all you do is talk out pure opinion and state sources which embody “some people” “everybody” “all the Christians I know/talked to”. —> Here you go:

Why Ron Paul would NOT be a good president:
1. He is old, mousey, whiny, grumpy, skinny, etc. Do not underestimate the importance of these factors, as a very large number of voters are not familiar with the issues, and vote for vanity. Sad but true. It does no good to have good ideas when you don’t have the presidential image, and Ron has neither.
2. He has been in Congress for 2 decades and doesn’t have a single bill to his name. We elected someone president with zero accomplishments in 2008, why would we want to do that again? How can you expect him to be able to lead the country when he can’t lead a single bill to fruition after 20 years?
3. He even voted against his own bill to audit the Federal Reserve, because he didn’t get every single detail he wanted. He is so stubbornly rigid he simply takes his toys and goes home if he doesn’t get every little detail he wants.
4. Many of his domestic policies are admirable, but how does he expect to implement them when he will have to work with Congress to get many of them turned into a reality? Will he simply hold his breath until Congress lets him get his way, because he has zero track record of using any other tactic to be successful?
5. Most of his foreign policies are dangerous. If we pull out of foreign countries, the vacuum WILL be filled by Russia, China, etc. Once you lose your toehold, it is VERY difficult to expand military operations if the need arises. Think about how hard it would have been for the U.S. to fight Hitler if England had fallen. For example, if China decides they don’t want to allow free flow of oil, we would have no recourse, as it takes years, if not decades, to develop independent energy sources. He is simply naive to the point of being a traitor to his own country. Also, we need forward positioned military presence to fight the global war on terror. It isn’t being fought only in Iraq and Afghanistan, there are operations literally around the world preventing future 9/11 type attacks that simply cannot be fought by guarding our own borders, 9/11 should have taught us that. We must therefore disrupt the terrorist cells wherever they are, so they cannot organize, plan, recruit, train, equip, and attack again. To not do this would be suicidal.
For the above and other reasons, Ron gets the pot smoking and “freedom at any cost” crowd, and that’s all he will ever get. LOL

I hope you know that you don’t know everyone, and you could know 3 Christians, citing them like their Britanica is hilarious and a fallacy. —> I have no idea what this means. LOL

Funny; I noted this would be the case, when Santorum dropped out. And it ppears I was right.
– I will say it again; when given the choice between a Christian, a lapsed Catholic, and a Mormon.. the Christian wins the vote of other Christians, especially the evangelical voice.
It’s not surprising, to me, but it does make me happy this is apparently working out. Of course, I didn’t see why they would not have gone (initially)with Dr Paul over Santorum, anyway- Santorum seems to hold and work with all of the netativity of the Catholic faith, yet has not an ounce of the compassion and/or giving spirit of most Catholics. He’s more worried about sex and abortions than he is about this country’s real problems, especially problems brought upon us by the government.
I am quite happy to see this has turned out to be as I expected.
One more time; Go, Ron Paul, go!

Good points annebeck. My first time to post here and read Tex2’s replies. My opinion is he needs to be ignored. Anyone reading his replies soon realizes it is a waste of time. Tex2, you need to go and get a real job if you are spending 24/7 on comment sites. It does get annoying having someone like you here and I think it is time for the webmaster to ban you.

Freedom of speech, leave tex2 alone, we are better than that. Ron Paul is doing great and we need to help keep this R3volution alive and well… Making signs for RP tax day…Have a good night…Good alway’s wins…

Romney is no better than Obama and if you cant comprehend that we Ron Paul supporters feel bad for you. honestly you are supporting a man thats campaign is being funded by the people that orchestrated the economic disaster. pull the wool from your eyes sheep!

tex2 – It is just SAD that you are so hard up for money that you are willing to be a paid troll who does nothing but push negative propaganda because there is nothing compelling or good to say about your own candidate. I guess the Romney campaign has no other options than to slander his opponents in a slash and burn fashion. But you have successfully persuaded me of one thing: as a Republican and I might have given Romney consideration despite the fact that I have zero trust in him due to his many lies, BUT NOW I will vote for Obama over Romney if Ron Paul is not on the ballot — and all because of you and your sick and hateful taunting. Since Romney is obviously so desperate for support that he has to pay souless people to unjustly defame the honorable Dr. Paul with shamefully dispicable, insulting and childish tactics, he must be worried about his chances. I guess he should be if people like you are the best he can do.

Great article Doug keep them coming. As a fellow veteran we know Ron Paul is changing the hearts and minds of Americans. I was at the UCLA rally with over 10,000 supporters there. It was surreal. Romney can’t even fill up 300 chairs at a stadium. All people need to do is have an open mind listen to Paul and it doesn’t matter where you come from this message transcends through all people around the planet. The message of our founding fathers of Liberty and Freedom is as strong today as it was when this great nation was founded and that is what makes us patriots in the defense of our republic and constitution like we swore to defend.

Last thought here, stated from tex2 above: “We must therefore disrupt the terrorist cells wherever they are, so they cannot organize, plan, recruit, train, equip, and attack again. To not do this would be suicidal.” Interesting… as some would argue this was indeed Hitler’s mentality to a degree, he just used a different classification. Something to consider.

BAN/BLOCK *tex2* from this site IMMEDIATELY — Never allow IT to post here again!

Dear, Doug — this is your HOME page, and all of us posting here are your guests. Don’t know about your tolerance level, but mine ends when an unwelcome guest tries to set fire to my home, in order to chase out all the welcomed people I’ve invited!

Read THE JUSTIFIABLE WHY below — if any of you agree, please, respond to this and have your vote counted!

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After a few visits here, posting a few times, and watching tex2’s stupid remarks, I thought the #2 was just a sad little Troll — the type that has no other life other than trolling. An overweight pimply shut-in that lives in mum’s basement getting maternal sponge-baths since it is too massive to crawl to the bathroom upstairs. So asked ALL not to respond to it.

But IT is much worse than that — IT has hit upon a simple formula (that this forum allows) and is using it PERNICIOUSLY to VIRTUALLY STOP all conversation between valid posters!

Took me a few hours today to analyze ITS behavior. See the conclusions below.

(What got me started was this post — *annebeck58* says:
April 12, 2012 at 2:35
“Thanks, again, Ralph (hate that I cannot hit, *reply*, below your name and refuse to allow the twit to think I am responding to IT, either….” I, too, experienced the same — could not find the REPLY function to respond to someone of merit…and this surely has happened to you, good people here, also)!

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‘See how it hijacks the Forum.’

FOLLOW THE TIME FRAME — AND THE SEQUENTIAL REPLIES (Only 2 CAN BE answered DIRECTLY to the Original Post — see my TEST… Surfisher says: April 14, 2012 at 9:31 am “Original post” — then testing the number of REPLYs available…).

Thread started by *I’m a delegate* says:
April 11, 2012 at 4:19 pm (his post follows).

It hits the 2nd Direct REPLY at 5:05 pm *tex2* says: (posts something ugly, makes no difference what it posts, since ITS ONLY GOAL is to STOP any further direct replies to the original post, AND NOTHING ELSE)!

AND THEN IMMEDIATELY, a few seconds later —watch the timing — hits REPLY at 5:06 pm TO *annebeck58*’s reply to the ORIGINAL POST on April 11, 2012 at 5:00 pm.

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NOW it sits and waits (with this simple trap set) for some outraged poster to fall for it and to RESPOND to ITS “pernicious idiocies” — thus completing the REPLY LOOP!
Then as many “responses”, as there are good people suckered into an “exchange” follow by IT with as many WORDS as possible — TO FURTHER DISTANCE THE ORIGINAL TOPIC FROM ANY CONTINUOUS REPLIES)!
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See what it did to this particular thread (and IT has been doing it to nearly ALL — and how ITS total word count is nearly, if not more, that the combined postings of all the rest): By Responding to ALL that responded to IT, the #2 has hijacked this Forum away from the rest of the people posting here!

PUT a STOP to IT — send Doug the needed message/program to BAN/BLOCK this Shill from his blog!

BAN/BLOCK *tex2* from this site IMMEDIATELY — Never allow IT to post here again!

Dear, Doug — this is your HOME page, and all of us posting here are your guests. Don’t know about your tolerance level, but mine ends when an unwelcome guest tries to set fire to my home, in order to chase out all the welcomed people I’ve invited!

Read THE JUSTIFIABLE WHY below — if any of you agree, please, respond to this and have your vote counted!

After a few visits here, posting a few times, and watching tex2′s stupid remarks, I thought the #2 was just a sad little Troll — the type that has no other life other than trolling. An overweight pimply shut-in that lives in mum’s basement getting maternal sponge-baths since it is too massive to crawl to the bathroom upstairs. So asked ALL not to respond to it.

But IT is much worse than that — IT has hit upon a simple formula (that this forum allows) and is using it PERNICIOUSLY to VIRTUALLY STOP all conversation between valid posters!

Took me a few hours today to analyze ITS behavior. See the conclusions below.

(What got me started was this post — *annebeck58* says:
April 12, 2012 at 2:35
“Thanks, again, Ralph (hate that I cannot hit, *reply*, below your name and refuse to allow the twit to think I am responding to IT, either….” I, too, experienced the same — could not find the REPLY function to respond to someone of merit…and this surely has happened to you, good people here, also)!

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‘See how it hijacks the Forum.’

FOLLOW THE TIME FRAME — AND THE SEQUENTIAL REPLIES (Only 2 CAN BE answered DIRECTLY to the Original Post — see my TEST… Surfisher says: April 14, 2012 at 9:31 am “Original post” — then testing the number of REPLYs available…).

Thread started by *I’m a delegate* says:
April 11, 2012 at 4:19 pm (his post follows).

It hits the 2nd Direct REPLY at 5:05 pm *tex2* says: (posts something ugly, makes no difference what it posts, since ITS ONLY GOAL is to STOP any further direct replies to the original post, AND NOTHING ELSE)!

AND THEN IMMEDIATELY, a few seconds later —watch the timing — hits REPLY at 5:06 pm TO *annebeck58*’s reply to the ORIGINAL POST on April 11, 2012 at 5:00 pm.

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NOW it sits and waits (with this simple trap set) for some outraged poster to fall for it and to RESPOND to ITS “pernicious idiocies” — thus completing the REPLY LOOP!
Then as many “responses”, as there are good people suckered into an “exchange” follow by IT with as many WORDS as possible — TO FURTHER DISTANCE THE ORIGINAL TOPIC FROM ANY CONTINUOUS REPLIES)!
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See what it did to this particular thread (and IT has been doing it to nearly ALL — and how ITS total word count is nearly, if not more, that the combined postings of all the rest): By Responding to ALL that responded to IT, the #2 has hijacked this Forum away from the rest of the people posting here!

PUT a STOP to IT — send Doug the needed message/program to BAN/BLOCK this Shill from his blog!

You couldn’t be more wrong. Just because another blog filled with stupid people, such as this one, are being stupid, does not make my facts and logic any more wrong than somebody not believing in gravity make it incorrect. LOL

However, I wouldn’t be so sure, because RIP fooled all of the RIPtilians. Did you sell your car and mortgage your house today, so you can give the maximum to the RIP campaign that is flaming out as we type? LOL

Dear Mr. Wead,
Thank you for your work on the campaign, it is my belief that you are one of the greater assets Dr. Paul currently has on his staff, and I certainly believe you speak better, on his behalf, than anyone else I’ve seen including, and perhaps especially, Jesse Benton. On various forums I’ve read complaints on both of you and I’m far less willing to entertain them when considering you, based on your correct and often passionate representation of RP and his beliefs. Alternatively, occasionally I hear things that contradict RP’s message or his stance about a topic coming from Benton, normally they’re small, but for instance he’s taken flak from his comments about securing Ron something other than a speaking gig at the convention, I’m sure you’ve know what I’m referring to. I definitely understand what the reporter got him to do was explain what the plan would be assuming a RP loss, but isn’t that where you deflect a question or at least choose only to speak of it on your terms? RP speaks with no equivocation (ok maybe a tiny one) about his plans and his expectations going forward, so I can’t understand why Benton would deviate from that and give opponents and bonehead media a chance to push their message instead of his own. Perhaps he just wasn’t ready for that outcome, I don’t know, I’ve certainly also seen him destroy talking head for their outrageous misrepresentations (see: “Paul campaign has been a flop”). So why the big failure on the first, when he knocked the second example out of the park, was it facts versus future musings, or underestimating the ability of the media to twist message, or perhaps he was simply being forthcoming and openly answered the question much the way RP does on normal questions and issues, I can’t say, but I guess I’m forced to hope its #3, because while that is the right way to go about things, it concerns me that he didn’t refuse to entertain the idea so early in the process. It’s an easy thing to say, ‘we are not discussing those types of outcomes because it is antithetical to our beliefs and stated goals,’ and let it go at that. That would both end the conversation and bolsters the understanding that Dr. Paul is NOT in this for power, either for himself or his son, but rather in this for Liberty and for Americans as a whole. The only possible negative spin for that is, “the campaign is not actively seeking ‘every option’,” which is not negative to anyone who understands his principles, or anyone who understands a principled stand for that matter. Anyway, somehow I’ve managed to deviate from my message here (haha); I really only stopped by to congratulate you on your blog and say THANK YOU for your work on our behalf, it is definitely appreciated. Secondly, I hope that I am correct in assuming (based on things I’ve heard you say), that you align yourself with Dr. Paul for a reason, and the reason isn’t prestige or a paycheck. If that is true, and understanding that the cause cannot be won or lost this year, I was hoping to correspond with you at your leisure about the current situation and where you stand on various issues as well as share my own. The goal being to make knowledgable allies in Liberty as well as, and more importantly, be in a position to connect the right people at the right time, I am nearing an age when myself and my contemporaries will be stepping into the political ring as players, and we will need people with your talents and expertise, we will bring all the fire people can handle, but we’ll need a cool touch. I guess I am making one further assumption; that is, that you can see my email address. I feel that’s a justified one, but if you cannot, please reply letting me know and I will set up a dummy email (one which I would only use to receive an initial email from you) for the purpose of connecting.
The last thing I bothered to comment on was this: concerning that troll of yours, if I were you, I would take a resident troll as a sign of arrival on the internet. Remember: haters only hate because they are unable to emulate.
Thanks again,
G

Tex3 is a troll, and trolling is all he know, have sympathy for his pathetic life and his sad reality of being born a troll. Never feed trolls , never talk to trolls, never directly confront trolls, reffering to trolls in third person is however acceptable for example* ^Tex3 The Troll^. Silence kill trolls, denying him reflection of his existence kills the troll.
Now kill the troll.

Actually, Im here to read Doug’s blog articles. My views allign with the majority of readers here. Tex3 is NOT the same as tex2, or Scott johnson, the troll that is here trying to argue with every comment poster. Im sure a quick review of the comments here will show some clarity on your error. What I have decided to do to tex2 (Scott) is exactly the same thing he has decided to do to the other commenters here. Only, I have been able to include facts, unlike tex2(Scott).
“tex2” is AKA Scott E. Johnson from Plano Texas “tex2” feels it is his right to go around wrecking people blogs with his idiocy. He is a miserably failed IBO. Hence the “bitterness”. LOL

Scott should excercise a little more discretion, as his info is out in the open, on the web. LOL

Okay. My mom caught me using both tex2 and tex3 and messing up Doug’s blog. I thought the door to the basement was locked, but it wasn’t. She is standing over me right now while I type this apology. I am sorry for messing up Doug’s blog, I won’t do it again. Sorry. LOL

Romney will support either side of the issue, depending on the audience. Its clear that Romney has only the support of the “Establishment”, and maybe a few misinformed sheep. The recent events are very revealing of the massive Ron Paul support. It seems it will be a fight between what the people want vs what the establishment has planned. It doesnt take a genious to figure out that Ron Paul is the only logical choice.

RIP will support the dangerous side of the issue, regardless of the audience. Its clear that RIP has only the support of the “Paulites”, and maybe a few misinformed sheep. The recent events are very revealing of the massive Romney support. It seems it will be a fight between what the people want vs what the Paulites are screaming for like girls. It doesn’t take a genious to figure out that Romney is the only logical choice. LOL

Again, no facts contained in your post, scott. Im beginning to think that you have a “need” to try and be “controversial”. Why else would you enjoy hanging around blogs that dont share your “views”? LOL

Tex2 (Scott E. Johnson of Plano Texas) said, “I’ll bet you’re too cowardly to make a simple call on the phone as well, right? LOL”
GO TEX3! You’ve got him pinned and his dander up! He wants to fight you overt the telephone! Don’t call him – the scab will just back out and charge telephone harassment.

here’s one useless troll, google israel, then check what it says next to capitol… *gasp* its already Jerusalem, you’re so ignorant as to be laughable and yet so laughable as to be sad, yet so sad as to be fitting, and so fitting because you’re so ignorant, which is laughable, yet sad, as well as fitting.. in summation, you’ve never been good at anything your entire life, including trolling. All you’ve done is give us someone to beat on all day and laugh at, it keeps our spirits up for the fight ahead, though i must admit, it saddens me to beat up on a retard, good thing this is the internet or id actually have to feel bad, since this does happen to be the internet i know what you are, a soulless troll which gave up his right to protection and in fact incited vitriol against himself, and thus I truely am respecting you as a human being by returning the favors you give. You are less than the doggie do i accidentally stepped on the other day, but much like that dog do a few pokes with a stick and a little water and you’ll come right off.

yeah so again, what you said above is wrong, posting contradictory statements doen’t make you right half the time it makes you an idiot all of the time, much like your bf romney. also the childish spelling comment.. i mean really..? is that the best you’ve got? an eighth grade level retort, i mean actually why am i suprised? nevermind, do you bro, life tends to unfold precisely as it should, and i have no doubt you’ll get whats coming to you, or i guess more accurately you’ll continue to get whats coming to you, with your attitude, sucess wouldn’t dare touch you, it doesn’t follow disease.

scared, no. but im not the one trying to run around and talk to people, i have actual friends i can call if i want to talk, you are sad pathetic man, if you’re actually a man, no one cares about you at all, the only reason people respond to you at all is to stick up for RP and DW’s blog, but don’t worry you’ll always be this pathetic little man, nothing will ever change in your tiny insignificant world. While normal people pass you by everyday your life will remain stagnant and cold.

You get all blustery on this blog, but when it comes time to speak up for RIP, you paint a yellow stripe down your back and whimper away with a lame excuse. I’ve seen your type many times. LOL

Your “friends” either don’t give a rip about RIP, or they are a fellow RIPtilian sycophant, either way you don’t progress your “movement.” LOL

In fact, I’ll bet most of your “friends” don’t even know you support RIP, or they would disown you. LOL

You don’t even know me, so calling me, “… you are sad pathetic man, if you’re actually a man, no one cares about you at all, the only reason people respond to you at all is to stick up for RP and DW’s blog, but don’t worry you’ll always be this pathetic little man, nothing will ever change in your tiny insignificant world. While normal people pass you by everyday your life will remain stagnant and cold.” is total conjecture on your part, whereas I can easily image all of those things about YOU, too scared to make a simple phone call and defend your hero, RIP. LOL

im here dumbass, im not going to give you the joy of hearing a person’s voice, you’ll have to stick to those late night chat lines, they’ll agree with you! as long as you have the money… oh wait, your business doesn’t make any

How could this possibly “surprise” to anyone who knows Dr Paul. Saying that this surprises you would lead people to think that this is out of the ordinary for Dr Paul. Protecting the sovereignty of Israel regardless of how he feels about the issue, is exactly what I would expect from Dr Paul.

How can anyone believe anything Paul says? He is just pandering now. It wasn’t even a year ago he was calling Israel an “apartheid state”, compared Gaza to a concentration camp, and claimed Israel created Hamas and was secretly behind Islamic terrorism. Even back in November he was saying that Jerusalem should go to Palestine.

Doug IMHO you are an unbelievably strong asset to the organization of Campaign for Liberty. I’m glad my money is going to the people who are striking blows to the status quo in an eat them and smile manner. Stick with us and live free!

BAN *tex2* from this site IMMEDIATELY — Never allow IT to post here again! ALSO, DO NOT RESPOND TO ANY OF ITS TROLLING !

Dear, Doug — this is your HOME page, and all of us posting here are your guests. Don’t know about your tolerance level, but mine ends when an unwelcome guest tries to set my home on fire, in order to chase out all the welcomed people I’ve invited!

No normal exchange can be held here — since the #2 quickly fills in all REPLY slots….so no-one else can respond sequentially to what was stated before. This is its main goal (secondary is its spittings of hate to all that’s good)!

The #2’s strategy is simply hitting the REPLY button (posting some vitriol), then another REPLY button — thus VIRTUALLY HIJACKING it from allowing others to directly respond to the original topic.

PUT a STOP to IT — send Doug the needed message/program to BAN/BLOCK this Shill from his blog!

several people have replied to your complaints and you ignored ALL of them, I posted a very thorough reply, feel free to try to respond to any of it, ill give you one last benefit of the doubt, very limited time offer

Tex2..Ron’s middle name is Ernest..thus his initials are REP which is what he does for the American people in Congress. That is only a small bit of what you are wrong on. You are wrong to come constantly on here and demonize a great man who should be our president, And, as Shakespeare once said. “me thinks thou protesteth too much”. Please go to a Romney site where your comments will be uplifting and you will be seen as a great patriot. As for us, you look like a dark and unwelcome spirit with only the substance of fog.

tex2(scott e johnson) has been injecting ignorance on this blog since 2009. He seems to be just short of retarded, as he continues to comment, despite the unreceptive audience here. He makes a good representation of the “desperation” of the establishment to suppress the ideas of true liberty.

Why would you believe it is what it says — and not some dregs that has found the Amway info, and thus pretends to be the one you state?

On the Net, the #2 can be anything it wants. It could very well be an overweight pimply shut-in that lives in mum’s basement getting maternal sponge-baths since it is too massive to crawl to the bathroom upstairs, with its total life consisting of trolling only.

tex3 has been injecting ignorance on this blog since he first posted. He seems to be just short of retarded, as he continues to comment, despite the unreceptive audience here. He makes a good representation of the “desperation” of the RIPtilians to suppress the ideas of true and responsible liberty. LOL

You could also make a very simple phone call to a conference number while keeping your own number confidential by dialing *67 first (google *67 to confirm, you stupid idiot – LOL) and pick me apart, but you’re a scared, cowardly RIPtilian, so you won’t do it. LOL

Please ignore me and let me get in the last word….pretty please, with sugar on it? LOL

surfisher, trust that i have found who tex2 is, he did not protect himself well here on the web. Not surprising to find that tex2(scott johnson) has been banned from numerous other blogs,for the same type of behavior exhibited here. He posts under the alias’s; tex2, tex texan, and tex.
He has been very outspoken as he failed as an Amway distributer. His personal(address, phone #, and names of family members, business info) is easily accessible to any savvy internet user. I have even found a picture, with tagged info insuring it is tex(scott e johnson)(or tex2) BTW he has been trolling here since at least 2009.

Let me also make clear to all that i am in no way associated with tex2, and only use the username tex3 to deal with tex2.
I read here regularly, and just got sick and tired of seeing tex2″s ignorant responses to fellow readers here.

Even though tex2, and people of that sort, will have no bearing on the minds of readers here, I will still take time to treat him with the same treatment he gives others here. Trust me, nobody can take anything he says seriously, but we still occasionally see readers that are caught unaware, and try to “convince” him of his “inaccuracies”. That never works. One thing is clear: tex2(scott) has nothing better to do than hang out in comment sections that dont share his views. What a life.

Tex2(scott) will try to have the last word, usually ending up with tex2 having nothing better to answer with, and will just resort to namecalling. Namecalling is used for lack of the right answer.
That is the sure sign that tex2(scott) has been out debated.

Lets see his response to this: will it be namecalling? Steal my comment and try to turn it around? or that elementary level copy&paste list of his opinions? LOL

oh noos it bothers him when someone misspells one werd, doos it eatt att yor sole? does it bother you that all these people are more successful than you? is that why you’re so angry, you can spell yet people still want to buy from someone else… ?

I was concurring with your statement regarding Jerusalem being our capitol.
I cant wait for real change, where we have a government that reflects the will of the people, not the (war)profiteers.
This campaign is looking very promising, the only ones left are the MSM sheep.(like tex2).
tex2 is a very small,teensy weensy voice in a large state, Texas. He doesnt deserve to go by the name tex, i prefer to use his real name, scott.

I am sure you are aware of commenter(troll) tex2(Scott Johnson), as he has been ignorantly responding to every reader to comment on your blog since at least 2009.
My intent is to “troll the troll”. I see it as a way to enforce the golden rule on commenter tex2(Scott Johnson)—“One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself.” Tex2(Scott) has demonstrated how he would like to be treated, so I have taken it upon myself to return the very same treatment that tex2(scott) has bestowed upon the commenters here, back on to him.

Make no mistake, I am a proud Ron Paul supporter, along with my wife and children, and actively ($) support the campaign, including todays “moneybomb”.

Ive just lost patience with the ones misinformed on Paul”s policies. Tex2(scott) makes a perfect representation of the desperation of the current establishment, to trick Americans into “more of the same.” A quick review of the comments will ensure that tex2(scott) has acheived an approval rating of 0.0 with the readers here.

Tex2(scott) is a perfect example of the sheeple, that will unknowingly drive this country into ruin. A perfect example that ignorance of this level actually exists. After all, what kind of American would side against “liberty and freedom”?

Other than that, I look forward to more of your interviews, as you always seem to shine light on the distortion of the MSM misinformation campaign. With a smile, i might add.

i am walking side by side with this man in what he says here, i too have donated today Mr. Wead, and am gathering support for you and will be bringing the calvery if i can here to defend you and the good Dr. ill leave out the LotR quote, you don’t need to wait for the third day.

Why don’t you just ask Doug to drop his trousers so you can kiss his backside? LOL

You aren’t going anywhere unless/until you can answer these basic issues effectively. If you think I’m a pain, just wait until the press and RIPtilian opponents start asking these types of questions. You aren’t getting them now because of the poor showing, which is caused by not responding to these issues effectively, and merely saying “leave us alone” or “you’re not nice, go away” or “Doug, would you please ban him”, etc – LOL:

Why Ron Paul would NOT be a good president:
1. He is old, mousey, whiny, grumpy, skinny, etc. Do not underestimate the importance of these factors, as a very large number of voters are not familiar with the issues, and vote for vanity. Sad but true. It does no good to have good ideas when you don’t have the presidential image, and Ron has neither.
2. He has been in Congress for 2 decades and doesn’t have a single bill to his name. We elected someone president with zero accomplishments in 2008, why would we want to do that again? How can you expect him to be able to lead the country when he can’t lead a single bill to fruition after 20 years?
3. He even voted against his own bill to audit the Federal Reserve, because he didn’t get every single detail he wanted. He is so stubbornly rigid he simply takes his toys and goes home if he doesn’t get every little detail he wants.
4. Many of his domestic policies are admirable, but how does he expect to implement them when he will have to work with Congress to get many of them turned into a reality? Will he simply hold his breath until Congress lets him get his way, because he has zero track record of using any other tactic to be successful?
5. Most of his foreign policies are dangerous. If we pull out of foreign countries, the vacuum WILL be filled by Russia, China, etc. Once you lose your toehold, it is VERY difficult to expand military operations if the need arises. Think about how hard it would have been for the U.S. to fight Hitler if England had fallen. For example, if China decides they don’t want to allow free flow of oil, we would have no recourse, as it takes years, if not decades, to develop independent energy sources. He is simply naive to the point of being a traitor to his own country. Also, we need forward positioned military presence to fight the global war on terror. It isn’t being fought only in Iraq and Afghanistan, there are operations literally around the world preventing future 9/11 type attacks that simply cannot be fought by guarding our own borders, 9/11 should have taught us that. We must therefore disrupt the terrorist cells wherever they are, so they cannot organize, plan, recruit, train, equip, and attack again. To not do this would be suicidal.
For the above and other reasons, Ron gets the pot smoking and “freedom at any cost” crowd, and that’s all he will ever get. LOL

To Troglodyte (AKA text 2)
Scrolling through the comments after reading the article and I couldn’t help but notice 1/2 the comment section was taken up by none other than you. So I have a question, do you get paid well to trash sites? If you are getting paid to do this, (one only wonders who it is from, Mitt Romney? George Soros? The Obama camp itself? who knows,) but be careful of carpel tunnel because you would have to find a new job where you actually use logic, or if you’re not smart enough for that, you can always be a bagger at your local grocery store. Good luck, and as always, stay in that ignorant bliss of yours. If you have any desire to obtain knowledge, understanding, and reason let me know and I will either send you some great books, or at least refer you to some.
Sincerely,
FreedomIsAbsolute

I’ll go ahead and respond to this because its all flawed, but i know you’ll ignore this like you did the people who’ve already answered you.
1) If my only concern was seeing a republican in the office, then sure stuff like how pretty they are might matter, in fact if that was my concern i sure as hell wouldn’t pick a dude, gross bro! I hear what you’re saying, the problem with you’re argument is RP is the ONLY candidate with a LEAD over obama in the 4-12-12 poll taken, so we already KNOW he can compete nationally.
Proof :http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/polls/221163-rasmussen-obama-and-romney-tied-nationally
2)we have a congress FULL of people who don’t care AT ALL about the constitution, so NO ONE would vote to pass his bills mostly repeals anyway, he’s voted the right way all along, you couldn’t pass bills with a room full of monkeys either, unless you were offering to buy them free bananas, RP doesn’t do that. THANK GOD
3)Stubborn is what we need right now, he would have voted for it if it absolutely needed him to, but it was a protest vote to say this isn’t enough we must do more. A stubborn VETO hand is exactly what i mean.
4)A congress which refuses to hear the will of the people will be handed a pink slip its only two years away, also he works with people from both sides of the aisle, he’ll be able to build coalitions, he’s building a very large amount of political capital, were he to recieve the support necessary to win at the RNC he would be extremely well positioned to beat BO as the Repub voters rally around him. AT that point any congressman would be FOOLISH to oppose him.
5)Your premises are wrong, this is an argument i can’t convince you of in one response, but i will list the reasons why:
1- our current foreign policy is dangerous, being in every middle eastern country(practically) pisses people off, think chinese in TX.. For every one terrorist we kill in a drone strike we kill several bystanders, for each bystander we kill we make several new enemies (their family and friends), every second we are there and every bomb we drop we rationalize their HATE, and we breed it into their children. you can’t force someone to like you at gunpoint.
2-so what! we don’t need to be power struggling with every nation, we don’t need to try and hold everyone else down in order to lift ourselves up, if we spent all the money here no one could every catch us, we had too much of a head start, there are NO threats on this earth except economic. there is no country with a reason to think attacking the US would ever be a good idea, and there would be no REASON for a group of people to attack us if we minded our own buisness.
3-wrong.. just would have needed an extra nuke or two, germany could not have brought it here anyway, and russia would have won in the end, and if we hadn’t spent the whole time trying to exclude russia, we probably wouldn’t have had a cold war, but this last line of thinking is pure conjecture clearly, but don’t pretend like it was a REAL threat to the US, we ALLOWED the attack on Pearl Harbor, we knew long in advance, FDR wanted a fight all along and was ANOTHER example of trying to control the world, we were very involved in the japanese sphere for years before the war, undermining their efforts. im not defending either germany or japan, im saying we pushed them to attack, like we have every war since the civil, excepting WWI i guess we just thought we should help out in that one, declaration of war.. fine. same with WWII really except how we let ourselves get attacked, thats treason. finally that was a stupid point to make, ‘Think about how hard it would have been for the U.S. to fight Hitler if England had fallen’… HELLO?! did we station troops in England BEFORE the war? NO. That was a sovereign nation that held it back on their own.. sure DURING the war, we had troops help train the English, and once we entered the war we moved in troops, what a fail argument.
4-The only reason we would NEED to expand bases is if we invaded a country, which is something we should NEVER do unless we’ve been attacked by a nation and/or declared war on a nation, which we shouldn’t do unless attacked directly, or are in immenent danger. At which point we should use ALL necessary force to subdue any fool country that thought it stood a chance, that is Paul’s position also.
5-free flow of oil from where, IRAN? we get a paltry amount of oil from iran, and in the middle east in general, the vast majority of supplies come from the AMERICAS, and if we couldn’t get it from there, we’d simply buy more of it more locally, oil has never and will never be an issue, china needs us as much as anyone else, without our market, china collapses. Proof on oil: http://www.grinzo.com/energy/2011/04/25/us-petroleum-imports-by-country/
or for more detail Proof 2: http://205.254.135.7/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_ep00_im0_mbbl_m.htm
keep in mind these are only IMPORTS which does not include what we get here, OPEC accounts for only 40% of imports, if you reduce that to persian gulf that number drops to 20%
if you factor in 1/3 of total petroleum used comes from the good ol US of A Proof: http://www.eia.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/analysis_publications/oil_market_basics/petflow.htm
then those numbers drop to 26% from OPEC and 13% from the persian gulf… oil is NOT our problem, besides the fact that those countries can’t produce enough gasoline for themselves, and we cover most of the worlds refinement capabilities, people still must come here. as if that wasn’t enough we have HUGE amount of coal which can be ramped up to replace a shortage of oil, we also have a very large amount of natural gas here which can also be ramped up to provide elec and heating/cooking. Failed argument.
6- you can’t win a war against an idea! thats why the war on drugs has failed! stop meddling in the internal affairs of other nations, people will be too busy fighting each other to travel a thousand miles to come here, they don’t hate us because we’re free, LOTS of countries have liberties they ‘hate so much,’ they wouldn’t need to come here to do it. If you know any history you know what we’ve been doing over there for the last 60 years, and if you don’t, its time to do a little research for yourself.
7- ‘there are operations literally around the world preventing future 9/11 type attacks that simply cannot be fought by guarding our own borders’ you have absoluely LOST YOUR MIND if you think we were guarding our own boarders on 9/11, our handling of 9/11 was so incompetant as to be laughable.. “no body thought someone could fly a plane into a building” bush says, LIE they were running a training operation that VERY DAY. if you don’t know you’re being lied to you need to start reading and stop trolling.
8- WE ARE CAUSING RECRUITMENT with our actions, these people were NOTHING before we GAVE them money, training, arms, and had them do OUR dirty work and then ABANDONED them and then WALKED ALL OVER their countries and way of life all the time. THAT is suicidal, no terrorist could EVER take over a plane and crash it again, not because of TSA or the GOV, but because skymarshalls and if there isn’t one on the plane then every damn person on that plane would stand up and do something about it.THE US GOV set the stage for 9/11, take the gun out of the cockpit, don’t try to resist, do whatever they want.. and then don’t bother to shoot the thing down as it makes a 45 straight shot at DC or a winding slow path to the other location, i mean really it was a colossal failure of epic proportions.. OR it was a setup, i make no claim either way. In either case if we mind our business and mind our borders, no one can hurt us. The ONLY real threat is economic collapse, which we are hurtling toward at breakneck speed, we WILL be withdrawing, the only question is will we be doing it on our terms or because we just defaulted on ALL of our loans?
I KNOW i just wasted my time as you’ll likely never read it nor think about it, ill be waiting for you to point out which words i misspelled, if im wrong about that then maybe theres hope for you someday.

This was in moderation until just now, because multiple links results in the message being held in moderation until Doug approves it. LOL

I’ll go ahead and respond to this because its all flawed, but i know you’ll ignore this like you did the people who’ve already answered you. —> I’ll go ahead and respond to this because its all flawed, but I know you’ll be wrong like the people who’ve already answered me. LOL

1) If my only concern was seeing a republican in the office, then sure stuff like how pretty they are might matter, in fact if that was my concern i sure as hell wouldn’t pick a dude, gross bro! —> You missed the point. LOL

I hear what you’re saying, the problem with you’re argument is RP is the ONLY candidate with a LEAD over obama in the 4-12-12 poll taken, so we already KNOW he can compete nationally. —> That was one poll, if you take a collection of polls, Romney is ahead. Google it and look for Real Clear Politics. LOL Besides, it’s a moot point since RIP won’t get the nomination. LOL

2)we have a congress FULL of people who don’t care AT ALL about the constitution, so NO ONE would vote to pass his bills mostly repeals anyway, he’s voted the right way all along, you couldn’t pass bills with a room full of monkeys either, unless you were offering to buy them free bananas, RP doesn’t do that. THANK GOD —> He is also a miserable failure for failing to understand politics is a team sport. LOL

3)Stubborn is what we need right now, he would have voted for it if it absolutely needed him to, but it was a protest vote to say this isn’t enough we must do more. A stubborn VETO hand is exactly what i mean. —> It is also the recipe for failure, the primary voting so far proves it. LOL

4)A congress which refuses to hear the will of the people will be handed a pink slip its only two years away, also he works with people from both sides of the aisle, he’ll be able to build coalitions, he’s building a very large amount of political capital, were he to recieve the support necessary to win at the RNC he would be extremely well positioned to beat BO as the Repub voters rally around him. —> You’re dreaming. LOL

AT that point any congressman would be FOOLISH to oppose him. —> He will never GET to that point. You’re a fool. LOL

5)Your premises are wrong, this is an argument i can’t convince you of in one response, but i will list the reasons why:
1- our current foreign policy is dangerous, being in every middle eastern country(practically) pisses people off, think chinese in TX.. —> You are trying to say all countries are equal. They never have been and never will be. LOL

For every one terrorist we kill in a drone strike we kill several bystanders, for each bystander we kill we make several new enemies (their family and friends), every second we are there and every bomb we drop we rationalize their HATE, and we breed it into their children. —> They breed it into their children by teaching them falsehoods, just like RIP. LOL

you can’t force someone to like you at gunpoint. —> No, but you can kill them if you need to. LOL

2-so what! we don’t need to be power struggling with every nation, —> We aren’t. LOL

we don’t need to try and hold everyone else down in order to lift ourselves up, —> We aren’t. LOL

if we spent all the money here no one could every catch us, we had too much of a head start, there are NO threats on this earth except economic. —> Tell that to the families of the 9/11 victims. LOL

there is no country with a reason to think attacking the US would ever be a good idea, and there would be no REASON for a group of people to attack us if we minded our own buisness. —> We are minding our business when we buy oil and other goods. LOL

3-wrong.. just would have needed an extra nuke or two, germany could not have brought it here anyway, and russia would have won in the end, and if we hadn’t spent the whole time trying to exclude russia, we probably wouldn’t have had a cold war, but this last line of thinking is pure conjecture clearly, but don’t pretend like it was a REAL threat to the US, we ALLOWED the attack on Pearl Harbor, we knew long in advance, FDR wanted a fight all along and was ANOTHER example of trying to control the world, we were very involved in the japanese sphere for years before the war, undermining their efforts. im not defending either germany or japan, im saying we pushed them to attack, like we have every war since the civil, excepting WWI i guess we just thought we should help out in that one, declaration of war.. fine. same with WWII really except how we let ourselves get attacked, thats treason. finally that was a stupid point to make, ‘Think about how hard it would have been for the U.S. to fight Hitler if England had fallen’… HELLO?! did we station troops in England BEFORE the war? NO. That was a sovereign nation that held it back on their own.. sure DURING the war, we had troops help train the English, and once we entered the war we moved in troops, what a fail argument. —> More conspiracy theories. LOL And if Germany had been more effective against our material shipments, we would all be singing in German. LOL You’re such a pathetic fool. LOL

4-The only reason we would NEED to expand bases is if we invaded a country, which is something we should NEVER do unless we’ve been attacked by a nation and/or declared war on a nation, which we shouldn’t do unless attacked directly, or are in immenent danger. At which point we should use ALL necessary force to subdue any fool country that thought it stood a chance, that is Paul’s position also. —> RIP lives in the past, just like you. Welcome to terrorism in the 21st century. LOL

5-free flow of oil from where, IRAN? we get a paltry amount of oil from iran, and in the middle east in general, the vast majority of supplies come from the AMERICAS, and if we couldn’t get it from there, we’d simply buy more of it more locally, oil has never and will never be an issue, china needs us as much as anyone else, without our market, china collapses. Proof on oil: —> That’s still a lot from the Middle East. LOL Plus, if our allies suffer, so do we. The world is a lot more interconnected than it was in the 18th century. LOL
or for more detail Proof 2: —> Same answer. LOL

keep in mind these are only IMPORTS which does not include what we get here, OPEC accounts for only 40% of imports, if you reduce that to persian gulf that number drops to 20%
if you factor in 1/3 of total petroleum used comes from the good ol US of A See above. LOL

then those numbers drop to 26% from OPEC and 13% from the persian gulf… oil is NOT our problem, —> Yes it is, see above. LOL

besides the fact that those countries can’t produce enough gasoline for themselves, and we cover most of the worlds refinement capabilities, people still must come here. as if that wasn’t enough we have HUGE amount of coal which can be ramped up to replace a shortage of oil, —> Put coal in your gas tank and tell me how well it works for you. LOL

we also have a very large amount of natural gas here which can also be ramped up to provide elec and heating/cooking. Failed argument. —> Put natural gas in your gas tank and tell me how well it works. LOL

6- you can’t win a war against an idea! —> You’re right, that’s why you already lost. LOL

thats why the war on drugs has failed! —> Has it really failed, or is that MSM talk? LOL

stop meddling in the internal affairs of other nations, people will be too busy fighting each other to travel a thousand miles to come here, they don’t hate us because we’re free, LOTS of countries have liberties they ‘hate so much,’ they wouldn’t need to come here to do it. —> I wish it were that simple. LOL

If you know any history you know what we’ve been doing over there for the last 60 years, and if you don’t, its time to do a little research for yourself. —> I did. LOL

7- ‘there are operations literally around the world preventing future 9/11 type attacks that simply cannot be fought by guarding our own borders’ you have absoluely LOST YOUR MIND if you think we were guarding our own boarders on 9/11, our handling of 9/11 was so incompetant as to be laughable.. “no body thought someone could fly a plane into a building” bush says, LIE they were running a training operation that VERY DAY. —> Do you have a source for that one? LOL

if you don’t know you’re being lied to you need to start reading and stop trolling. —> What’s your favorite conspiracy site I should check? LOL

8- WE ARE CAUSING RECRUITMENT with our actions, these people were NOTHING before we GAVE them money, training, arms, and had them do OUR dirty work and then ABANDONED them and then WALKED ALL OVER their countries and way of life all the time. —> That’s why we’re doing things different and better this time. LOL

THAT is suicidal, no terrorist could EVER take over a plane and crash it again, not because of TSA or the GOV, but because skymarshalls and if there isn’t one on the plane then every damn person on that plane would stand up and do something about it. —> How do the passengers know which one of them is the sky marshall? LOL

THE US GOV set the stage for 9/11, take the gun out of the cockpit, don’t try to resist, do whatever they want.. and then don’t bother to shoot the thing down as it makes a 45 straight shot at DC or a winding slow path to the other location, i mean really it was a colossal failure of epic proportions.. OR it was a setup, i make no claim either way. —> I know you favor the conspiracy theory. You can tell me, it’s just between us two. LOL

In either case if we mind our business and mind our borders, no one can hurt us. —> The modern world is more complicated than that, even RIP wants to trade, which potentially sets up theses issues. LOL

The ONLY real threat is economic collapse, which we are hurtling toward at breakneck speed, —> It’s not good, but the sky is not falling, chicken little. LOL

we WILL be withdrawing, the only question is will we be doing it on our terms or because we just defaulted on ALL of our loans? —> I think the former. LOL

I KNOW i just wasted my time as you’ll likely never read it nor think about it, ill be waiting for you to point out which words i misspelled, if im wrong about that then maybe theres hope for you someday. —> You’re usually wrong, and there were too many misspelled words to keep track of, so I ignored them. LOL

—> You missed the point. LOL = no, i didn’t, you missed the point, its does not matter how “electable” a candidate is if they do not represent my beliefs, lots of people look good, that doesn’t matter, i get that you’re not saying is should matter, but that it affects real votes, thats fine, if you won’t vote for my guy because he’s got a few wrinkles, believe me, i won’t be voting for yours.

—> That was one poll, if you take a collection of polls, Romney is ahead. Google it and look for Real Clear Politics. LOL Besides, it’s a moot point since RIP won’t get the nomination. LOL = doesn’t have to win all of them for my point to be valid, you were making the claim that he’s unelectable because of those traits, all i needed to do to prove you wrong was show he can compete nationally

—> You’re dreaming. LOL = see 2010 elections

—> He is also a miserable failure for failing to understand politics is a team sport. LOL = source?
–>They breed it into their children by teaching them falsehoods, just like RIP. LOL = source?
—> More conspiracy theories. LOL And if Germany had been more effective against our material shipments, we would all be singing in German. LOL You’re such a pathetic fool. LOL = source?
—> Has it really failed, or is that MSM talk? LOL = again, PURE CONJECTURE, SOURCE?
—> That’s why we’re doing things different and better this time. LOL = SOURCE?
—> The modern world is more complicated than that, even RIP wants to trade, which potentially sets up theses issues. LOL = please SOURCE where free trade causes these issues, LOVE TO SEE IT

—> No, but you can kill them if you need to. LOL = really, this is your solution? you would have us glass the middle east? since they all ‘hate us so much’, we would have to kill them all, is genocide acceptable to you? are you devoid of morals or ethics?
—> I know you favor the conspiracy theory. You can tell me, it’s just between us two. LOL = not a response (straw man/ad hominem, take a logic class)
—> It is also the recipe for failure, the primary voting so far proves it. LOL = insufficient evidence to support claim, media slant far more likely
—> You are trying to say all countries are equal. They never have been and never will be. LOL = you missed the point and your reply is irrelevant to my point, countries don’t need to be equal for something to be unethical and ‘wrong’ by any standards

your problem seems to come from the belief that you and america are entitled to something which neither are, we do not have moral immunity because we claim to do things for the greater good, the ends do NOT justify the means.

—> Tell that to the families of the 9/11 victims. LOL = appeal to emotion = fallacy, again, try logic at your local community college
—> No, but you can kill them if you need to. LOL = needed to put this down twice, that attitude is why we were attacked, if you do not have the basic respect for combatants and more importantly civilians, even worse, if you don’t even respect those who are potentially not enemies, then you are deserving of attack, and many people paid the price for our hubris with their lives on 9/11, you dishonor them with your flippant disregaurd for the lessons to be learned

you want to talk like its a new *complicated* future, where terrorist attacks could happen at any time, consider what a CIVILIAN in pakistan or any of the various places we silently bomb from the sky goes through and explain how our govt isn’t terrorizing them

—> We are minding our business when we buy oil and other goods. LOL = ok thats our day job, how about moonlighting as a mass murderer of civilians; source(something you have a hard time with) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbIX1CP9qr4

—> That’s still a lot from the Middle East. LOL Plus, if our allies suffer, so do we. The world is a lot more interconnected than it was in the 18th century. LOL = you’re not getting it, friends with all, alliance with none. this is not a one day change, but as long as we treat people the way we do we will continue down the path to another global war, what exactly do you think we gain by bleeding ourselves dry while china sits pretty and collects interest on the money we borrow?

—> Put coal in your gas tank and tell me how well it works for you. LOL = don’t need to put it in our tanks, use it to replace the petroleum used for electrical production so it frees the petroleum up for gasoline production, fyi electric cars do accept coal based electricity
—> Put natural gas in your gas tank and tell me how well it works. LOL = see above as well as some automobiles DO run on natural gas, ignorance is seldom rewarded. source(ever had one of these?): http://naturalgasvehicles.com/

your arguments on oil are baseless, we could easily stop exporting gasoline or simply buy more from sources closer to home, Canada provides more than double any other country of us imports, we could take a larger share, we are not their only trading partner, if certain supply lines were cut to the US it would raise prices a small amount here, and then it would be MORE economical for Canada to give it to us at a slight premium (which after transportation costs associated with bringing it from the middle east are factored out would be a net gain most likely) than it would to sell it somewhere else for less money, basic economics, also as the price goes up, and it doesn’t have to be much, vast fields of oil/shale become economical to pull out of the ground, increasing supply and then lowering the price back down, the market absorbs these hits, and we would come out the other end far less dependant than we appear(key word) to be today.

After reading this stupid again, I couldn’t ignore it, because it is a “target rich environment.” So, I’ll take a paragraph at a time. LOL

—> You missed the point. LOL = no, i didn’t, you missed the point, its does not matter how “electable” a candidate is if they do not represent my beliefs, lots of people look good, that doesn’t matter, i get that you’re not saying is should matter, but that it affects real votes, thats fine, if you won’t vote for my guy because he’s got a few wrinkles, believe me, i won’t be voting for yours. ===> You STILL missed the point. I’m not talking about you or me as individuals, I’m talking about a large percentage of voters who don’t care WHO wins or loses, so there’s no “my guy” or “your guy” involved. LOL

—> That was one poll, if you take a collection of polls, Romney is ahead. Google it and look for Real Clear Politics. LOL Besides, it’s a moot point since RIP won’t get the nomination. LOL = doesn’t have to win all of them for my point to be valid, you were making the claim that he’s unelectable because of those traits, all i needed to do to prove you wrong was show he can compete nationally ===> My point is he is unelectable for a variety of reasons. To use a sports analogy, if you don’t make the playoffs, you can’t play in the Super Bowl. LOL Besides, Barry would tear him to pieces if he was the nominee. LOL However, the polls show more how much Barry is disliked than RIP is liked. Think about it, RIP gets 10% of the primary vote yet currently polls ahead of Barry. RIP is “conservative” to a fault (the definition of Libertarian), so he loses all the Black vote, all the welfare vote, and the liberal vote, yet he beats Barry. LOL

—> He is also a miserable failure for failing to understand politics is a team sport. LOL = source? ===> The Constitution. LOL

–>They breed it into their children by teaching them falsehoods, just like RIP. LOL = source? ===> For which one? LOL

—> More conspiracy theories. LOL And if Germany had been more effective against our material shipments, we would all be singing in German. LOL You’re such a pathetic fool. LOL = source? ===> Logic and history books. LOL

—> That’s why we’re doing things different and better this time. LOL = SOURCE? ===> Read your history, good examples are Afghanistan in the 1980s and now, and Iraq after the first Gulf War and now. LOL

—> The modern world is more complicated than that, even RIP wants to trade, which potentially sets up theses issues. LOL = please SOURCE where free trade causes these issues, LOVE TO SEE IT ===> LOVE TO SHOW YOU’RE STUPID. Wherever there is trade, there are potentially threats to cut off trade. LOL!

—> No, but you can kill them if you need to. LOL = really, this is your solution? you would have us glass the middle east? since they all ‘hate us so much’, we would have to kill them all, is genocide acceptable to you? are you devoid of morals or ethics? ===> This was in response to this statement, “you can’t force someone to like you at gunpoint.” For you to take it to glassing the Middle East is stuff fruitcakes are made of. LOL

—> I know you favor the conspiracy theory. You can tell me, it’s just between us two. LOL = not a response (straw man/ad hominem, take a logic class) ===> If you look at your own links at the end of your last message, it’s quite obvious. LOL

—> It is also the recipe for failure, the primary voting so far proves it. LOL = insufficient evidence to support claim, media slant far more likely ===> No, it’s called “voter slant,” as in 90-95% slanting away from RIP and voting for somebody (anybody) else. LOL

—> You are trying to say all countries are equal. They never have been and never will be. LOL = you missed the point and your reply is irrelevant to my point, countries don’t need to be equal for something to be unethical and ‘wrong’ by any standards ===> And by what “standards” are we wrong? LOL

your problem seems to come from the belief that you and america are entitled to something which neither are, we do not have moral immunity because we claim to do things for the greater good, the ends do NOT justify the means. ===> I never said we did, but we HAVE done much more good for this world than any country ever, I never claimed we were perfect. LOL

—> Tell that to the families of the 9/11 victims. LOL = appeal to emotion = fallacy, again, try logic at your local community college ===> It is emotion, and it’s also fact. There’s no fallacy involved. LOL

—> No, but you can kill them if you need to. LOL = needed to put this down twice, that attitude is why we were attacked, if you do not have the basic respect for combatants and more importantly civilians, even worse, if you don’t even respect those who are potentially not enemies, then you are deserving of attack, and many people paid the price for our hubris with their lives on 9/11, you dishonor them with your flippant disregaurd for the lessons to be learned ===> We have the necessary “respect” for combatants. We kill them or capture them. We also are FAR more cautious and careful about civilian casualties than ANY other country, ever, unless you want to count Switzerland. LOL Hubris didn’t kill people on 9/11, Al Qaeda did. LOL

you want to talk like its a new *complicated* future, where terrorist attacks could happen at any time, consider what a CIVILIAN in pakistan or any of the various places we silently bomb from the sky goes through and explain how our govt isn’t terrorizing them ===> See civilian casualty comment above. If a foreign government can’t stop terrorists, we will. Simple as that. LOL

—> We are minding our business when we buy oil and other goods. LOL = ok thats our day job, how about moonlighting as a mass murderer of civilians; source(something you have a hard time with) : ===> We don’t “mass murder civilians,” that is not only wrong, but stupid. It also appears the MSM, which you are generally fond of dismissing, is again wrong: http://w4.ub.uni-konstanz.de/srm/article/view/2373/3973 LOL

—> That’s still a lot from the Middle East. LOL Plus, if our allies suffer, so do we. The world is a lot more interconnected than it was in the 18th century. LOL = you’re not getting it, friends with all, alliance with none. this is not a one day change, but as long as we treat people the way we do we will continue down the path to another global war, what exactly do you think we gain by bleeding ourselves dry while china sits pretty and collects interest on the money we borrow? ===> Actually, the term used was “untangling alliances with none,” or we couldn’t even trade. We sure appreciated the French to help us win the Revolutionary War, didn’t we? AGAIN, the world is much different now than it was in the 18th century, and I believe the Founding Fathers would slap you silly if they knew you were applying 18th century response to a 21st century situation. LOL By the way, China is not sitting as pretty as the MSM makes them out to be, they have very serious structural and economic issues, among others. LOL

—> Put coal in your gas tank and tell me how well it works for you. LOL = don’t need to put it in our tanks, use it to replace the petroleum used for electrical production so it frees the petroleum up for gasoline production, fyi electric cars do accept coal based electricity ===> We use VERY little petroleum for electricity production, above 1% according to wiki. LOL

—> Put natural gas in your gas tank and tell me how well it works. LOL = see above as well as some automobiles DO run on natural gas, ignorance is seldom rewarded. source(ever had one of these?): I said YOUR gas tank. It doesn’t do much good if you have to buy a new car, and don’t have the natural gas infrastructure (gas stations) to support it. LOL

your arguments on oil are baseless, we could easily stop exporting gasoline or simply buy more from sources closer to home, Canada provides more than double any other country of us imports, we could take a larger share, we are not their only trading partner, if certain supply lines were cut to the US it would raise prices a small amount here, and then it would be MORE economical for Canada to give it to us at a slight premium (which after transportation costs associated with bringing it from the middle east are factored out would be a net gain most likely) than it would to sell it somewhere else for less money, basic economics, also as the price goes up, and it doesn’t have to be much, vast fields of oil/shale become economical to pull out of the ground, increasing supply and then lowering the price back down, the market absorbs these hits, and we would come out the other end far less dependant than we appear(key word) to be today.===> This is so stupid. Canada can’t just suddenly ramp up production to meet our needs, they have long term contracts with others, and it takes YEARS to develop new sources. LOL Plus, the transportation cost is already factored into the cost of petroleum products, and the reason the Middle East is so cheap is because it costs less to get it out of the ground, is high quality and therefore easier/cheaper to process, and transporting it is a minimal cost. LOL Oil/shale is NOT cheap to mine, the only reason it looks better now is because demand, primarily from China and India, has driven prices up. LOL You sound like you have all the answers that somehow the experts haven’t thought of, until we look at the facts. LOL

Lastly, the Bush lie, here’s the big exercise, not occuring the day of but CLEARLY an exercise for that exact eventuality, enough to prove the LIE: ===> This is my favorite part of your stupid response. NORAD has to make up scenarios to conduct exercises. Of course the exercises will involve airplanes, and of course some of the scenarios will involve the planes flying into something, it exercises their command and control, communications, cooperation/coordination, etc., but translating THAT into planning for an actual event are 2 very different things. LOL

here’s the little guy that was happening on 9/11 : See above. LOL

and here’s the bush lie, plus a bonus lie: What is the lie? LOL
plus another bonus lie ill throw in for free: What is the lie? LOL

I already knew a lot of RIPtilians were conspiracy nuts, but thanks for confirming it. LOL

You STILL missed the point. I’m not talking about you or me as individuals, I’m talking about a large percentage of voters who don’t care WHO wins or loses, so there’s no “my guy” or “your guy” involved. LOL = Ok then, let’s take this back your original post and see your original meaning, you listed reasons he would not be a good president, your first one is general voter sentiment. voter opinion does not relate to actual goodness/badness of a president. Our current president is a fine example of that. He had great voter sentiment, and has been an awful president.

My point is he is unelectable for a variety of reasons. To use a sports analogy, if you don’t make the playoffs, you can’t play in the Super Bowl. LOL Besides, Barry would tear him to pieces if he was the nominee. LOL However, the polls show more how much Barry is disliked than RIP is liked. Think about it, RIP gets 10% of the primary vote yet currently polls ahead of Barry. RIP is “conservative” to a fault (the definition of Libertarian), so he loses all the Black vote, all the welfare vote, and the liberal vote, yet he beats Barry. LOL = Again your original comments where why he’d make a bad president, not that he’d never make it there, please review your own comments for consistancy, perhaps you would make more sense instead of being all over the place in what you’re saying the point you’re trying to make is. You have no proof Barry would tear him to pieces. RP is the most liked and Barry is the most unliked(oops guess not), though i believe Romney is in the same strata as Barry. (Hehe bothered to look this up, GUESS WHAT I FOUND LOL? Romney is actually MORE unfavorable than Barry) source: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/obama_romney_favorable_unfavorable.html
your argument fails, by your standards Romney would not be leading Barry nation-wide, since he does in many polls your conjecture about unfavorability is unfounded.
RP’s politics are constitutional not libertarian.
he does not lose ALL of the black, welfare or liberal vote, you couldn’t prove that if you tried and i can show you videos of such people supporting RP, say most if you mean most

You mean the Tea Party, which has disowned RIP? LOL = nope, i mean the people who voted out their representatives, it was not just the TP, you cannot reduce it to that, and even if you could, a large percentage of the 2010 TP was the 2007 TP which RP started, the TP was then co-opted by neo-cons, and as a result of that fact, it has been in decline ever since, those people who started the TP are still RP supporters, and he’s gaining tracktion among those left in the TP(those who never understood what was really going on, and the neocons who drifted there when it was the popular thing to do). for my point to be valid, I only needed to show that it does happen.

—> He is also a miserable failure for failing to understand politics is a team sport. LOL = source? ===> The Constitution. LOL
= where in the constitution does it say Ron Paul is a miserable failure? besides if anything, the constitution is AGAINST the idea of teams in politics, we are all teams of one which should jealously protect our freedoms from GROUPTHINK.

–>They breed it into their children by teaching them falsehoods, just like RIP. LOL = source? ===> For which one? LOL
= either would be fine. neither can be proven. I should be clear since you’ll assume whatever meaning you want.
you cannot prove that “People in the middle east breed hate into their children by teaching them falsehoods”
you also cannot prove that “Ron Paul breeds hate into their children by teaching them falsehoods”

—> More conspiracy theories. LOL And if Germany had been more effective against our material shipments, we would all be singing in German. LOL You’re such a pathetic fool. LOL = source? ===> Logic and history books. LOL
= History might indeed show that England MIGHT be singing in German if they were more effective against our material shipments. Neither history nor logic would dictate necessarily that America would have ever been invaded, and you have NO evidence that Germany could have defeated America at home, ESPECIALLY since they couldn’t be more effective against our material shipments. They wouldn’t have been able to protect their own such shipments. Perhaps you should look more into logic.

—> Has it really failed, or is that MSM talk? LOL = again, PURE CONJECTURE, SOURCE? ===> I thought the opposite of the MSM is the truth. LOL Here’s a source:
= nope not the opposite, its slanted but that never makes the opposite automatically true. That source shows a decrease in binge drinking, driving under the influence, cocaine/meth, cigarette use. Shows an INCREASE in marijuana, extacy, cigar/hookah use, with no appreaciable change in hallucinogens, inhalents, and non-medical prescription drug usage. Here’s what it DOESN’T show. How the war on drugs is related directly to usage changes. It also doesn’t show that this constitutes “working.” It doesn’t prove that the changes are worth the cost in terms of money or in terms of lives ruined in victimless crimes. It doesn’t justify the unconstitutional laws against drug usage (prohibition needed an amendment for a reason). Its going to take a LOT more than that pathetic source to prove the point you were trying to make.

—> That’s why we’re doing things different and better this time. LOL = SOURCE? ===> Read your history, good examples are Afghanistan in the 1980s and now, and Iraq after the first Gulf War and now. LOL
= for your argument to be valid you need specific points, read history is not an argument.
Am i to assume that you mean we are doing better this time by staying in their country?

—> The modern world is more complicated than that, even RIP wants to trade, which potentially sets up theses issues. LOL = please SOURCE where free trade causes these issues, LOVE TO SEE IT ===> LOVE TO SHOW YOU’RE STUPID. Wherever there is trade, there are potentially threats to cut off trade. LOL!
= potentially, yes, thats fair to an extent. Please show me an actual example of where a country has free trade with America and chooses to disrupt those trades.

—> No, but you can kill them if you need to. LOL = really, this is your solution? you would have us glass the middle east? since they all ‘hate us so much’, we would have to kill them all, is genocide acceptable to you? are you devoid of morals or ethics? ===> This was in response to this statement, “you can’t force someone to like you at gunpoint.” For you to take it to glassing the Middle East is stuff fruitcakes are made of. LOL
= not at all, you responded to that statement sure, however that statement was a part of a larger argument which WAS extended to the middle east in general, you can’t take my words out of context and pretend you’re making a real point. All i did was put your point back into the context of the argument we were having.

—> I know you favor the conspiracy theory. You can tell me, it’s just between us two. LOL = not a response (straw man/ad hominem, take a logic class) ===> If you look at your own links at the end of your last message, it’s quite obvious. LOL
= the links at the end of the message are lies, and i proved they are lies, i didn’t say that since they lied in those cases something else must be true, i just showed you that they did lie. Here is my original comment which started this line of argument:

7- ‘there are operations literally around the world preventing future 9/11 type attacks that simply cannot be fought by guarding our own borders’() you have absoluely LOST YOUR MIND if you think we were guarding our own boarders on 9/11, our handling of 9/11 was so incompetant as to be laughable.. “no body thought someone could fly a plane into a building” bush says, LIE they were running a training operation that VERY DAY.(your response —> Do you have a source for that one? LOL)
Then i responded with these SOURCES which you asked for:
Lastly, the Bush lie, here’s the big exercise, not occuring the day of but CLEARLY an exercise for that exact eventuality, enough to prove the LIE: http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/04/19/norad.exercise/
here’s the little guy that was happening on 9/11 : http://www.boston.com/news/packages/sept11/anniversary/wire_stories/0903_plane_exercise.htm
and here’s the bush lie, plus a bonus lie:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jed-7H2jI8
plus another bonus lie ill throw in for free: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm73wOuPL60
THERE IS NO BASIS FOR YOUR STRAW MAN ARGUMENT
the last source was indeed truther source, but it was in fact a lie by Bush, and, as such, its another ad hominem to attempt to discredit the information in the video based on the authors personal beliefs. I don’t have to agree with the author on other topics for the information to be truthful, I didn’t bring you a full truther video as proof of conspiracy, i brought you an individual clip which contained the video proof i needed for my point which was that it was that bush lied about the events going on at the time, which could have had several reasons, yes, its possible based on those sources there was a conspiracy, but its equally possible that Bush was just trying to cover his ass, which is the reason i said it was either colossal incompetence or a conspiracy, and i declined to indicate either because there’s no proof as to which is the truth.

My point is he is unelectable for a variety of reasons. To use a sports analogy, if you don’t make the playoffs, you can’t play in the Super Bowl. LOL Besides, Barry would tear him to pieces if he was the nominee. LOL However, the polls show more how much Barry is disliked than RIP is liked. Think about it, RIP gets 10% of the primary vote yet currently polls ahead of Barry. RIP is “conservative” to a fault (the definition of Libertarian), so he loses all the Black vote, all the welfare vote, and the liberal vote, yet he beats Barry. LOL = Again your original comments where why he’d make a bad president, not that he’d never make it there, please review your own comments for consistancy, perhaps you would make more sense instead of being all over the place in what you’re saying the point you’re trying to make is. ===> You’re right, I should have indicated “Why Ron Paul could not be and/or would NOT be a good president.” I’ll fix that on my next go-around with whatshisname. LOL

You have no proof Barry would tear him to pieces. ===> Barry has the image. Barry would have a field day with RIP’s foreign policies. And you don’t have any proof that he wouldn’t, although RIP’s first statewide election was a disaster, against a guy who just switched from being a Dem, no less. AND 2 miserable failed presidential attempts would be pummeled. LOL

RP is the most liked and Barry is the most unliked(oops guess not), though i believe Romney is in the same strata as Barry. (Hehe bothered to look this up, GUESS WHAT I FOUND LOL? Romney is actually MORE unfavorable than Barry) source: ===> Of course he’s more unfavorable, he’s just coming out of a brutal primary campaign. LOL

your argument fails, by your standards Romney would not be leading Barry nation-wide, since he does in many polls your conjecture about unfavorability is unfounded. ===> You’re “forgetting” Romney got a LOT more votes than RIP, so you’re trying to compare apples to oranges. LOL

RP’s politics are constitutional not libertarian. ===> Then why did he run as a Libertarian? LOL Plus, anybody could run as a “Constitutionalist” it depends on their interpretation of the Constitution. LOL

he does not lose ALL of the black, welfare or liberal vote, you couldn’t prove that if you tried and i can show you videos of such people supporting RP, say most if you mean most ===> I meant almost all, just like almost all Republicans DON’T vote for RIP, how’s that? LOL

you missed the point and your reply is irrelevant to my point, countries don’t need to be equal for something to be unethical and ‘wrong’ by any standards ===> And by what “standards” are we wrong? LOL
= the standards could be unwanted occupation, dropping bombs without declared war, killing civilians, targeting civilian locations, using depleted uranium as munition components, torture(even when flowery language is used to describe it), bribing neighboring countries for close access(billions of aid), any of these or any of several others could be cited as what we’re doing wrong.

===> I never said we did, but we HAVE done much more good for this world than any country ever, I never claimed we were perfect. LOL
= you’re right, but there are MANY nations which could have said this at one point or another, and then they went the other direction, as we do now.

You mean the Tea Party, which has disowned RIP? LOL = nope, i mean the people who voted out their representatives, it was not just the TP, you cannot reduce it to that, and even if you could, a large percentage of the 2010 TP was the 2007 TP which RP started, the TP was then co-opted by neo-cons, and as a result of that fact, it has been in decline ever since, those people who started the TP are still RP supporters, and he’s gaining tracktion among those left in the TP(those who never understood what was really going on, and the neocons who drifted there when it was the popular thing to do). for my point to be valid, I only needed to show that it does happen. ===> The Tea Party had THE major impact on the 2010 elections. Even those who were not involved in the Tea Party developed a distaste for the incumbents because of the ruckus raised by the Tea Party. You’re being desperate by maintaining if you can show a single example, rather than the major factor, that you win. However that is consistent with RIP’s take on things, fourth place is somehow a victory. LOL It’s pretty lame to keep blaming others (neo-cons) for RIP’s nutty foreign policy, I couldn’t find a single Tea Party organization that supports the “guard the border” mantra. LOL

—> Tell that to the families of the 9/11 victims. LOL = appeal to emotion = fallacy, again, try logic at your local community college ===> It is emotion, and it’s also fact. There’s no fallacy involved. LOL
=ok then you agree on the emotial fallacy if the facts of an argument don’t, by themselves, support the conclusion, we agree there. now to show that the claim and its support are separate from the appeal to emotion and therefore I was correct in saying what i did concerning its fallacy in your usage. First of all you took my claim out of its context and then applied it to 9/11, i was speaking of economic dominance, which is what has produced our military dominance, and is what holds enemies at bay. My claim, if it must applied to this topic, would be that had we been spending our money and resources here, instead of having them positioned throughout the middle east, then they’d have had NO reason to do what was done. Which, had they still done it, would have given us the undeniable moral high ground. Instead we are on questionable moral grounds due to our unwanted presence for 60 years. To ignore the past when discussing 9/11 is to speak to the emotion of the event, ie fallacy. You wish to generate feelings in the reader to bring them closer to your point, thats the essence of an appeal to emotion. If your claim is that we need our resources abroad to prevent such actions, please explain how we didn’t have resources in the area at the time it occured, because otherwise your only basis for your point is emotion. In order for your claim to NOT be an appeal to emotion, then what i said had to be patently false, as in all of our resouces would have needed to be at home when 9/11 occured, since thats not the case, then you were not refuting my point with any facts.

—> No, but you can kill them if you need to. LOL = needed to put this down twice, that attitude is why we were attacked, if you do not have the basic respect for combatants and more importantly civilians, even worse, if you don’t even respect those who are potentially not enemies, then you are deserving of attack, and many people paid the price for our hubris with their lives on 9/11, you dishonor them with your flippant disregaurd for the lessons to be learned ===> We have the necessary “respect” for combatants. We kill them or capture them. We also are FAR more cautious and careful about civilian casualties than ANY other country, ever, unless you want to count Switzerland. LOL Hubris didn’t kill people on 9/11, Al Qaeda did. LOL
=if we capture we tortured, thats not necessary respect. we are not cautious nor careful except to court public opinion, which does not make it moral, if you can prove that we are more cautious and careful than any other nation except Switzerland then ill grant you that point. Hubris caused Al Qaeda to hate us, which caused 9/11, forgetting or not considering an original cause doesn’t mean it isn’t there.

you want to talk like its a new *complicated* future, where terrorist attacks could happen at any time, consider what a CIVILIAN in pakistan or any of the various places we silently bomb from the sky goes through and explain how our govt isn’t terrorizing them ===> See civilian casualty comment above. If a foreign government can’t stop terrorists, we will. Simple as that. LOL
=prove civilian casualty comment above and ill grant it. so far we haven’t stopped terrorism and we’ve been at it for 20-30 years. again, every time we kill a civilian with an attack we justify their hate and create new terrorists. Al Qaeda wasn’t in Iraq, now it is, how is that progress?

—> He is also a miserable failure for failing to understand politics is a team sport. LOL = source? ===> The Constitution. LOL
= where in the constitution does it say Ron Paul is a miserable failure? besides if anything, the constitution is AGAINST the idea of teams in politics, we are all teams of one which should jealously protect our freedoms from GROUPTHINK. ===> It’s article 3, ….LOL Clearly, the Constitution depends on groups of people working out differences and coming to a consensus. Both houses of Congress have to produce majority votes (sometimes more) to get anything done. RIP never “got” this concept, and therefore wasted 2 decades in Congress, fretting in a corner all by himself. LOL

–>They breed it into their children by teaching them falsehoods, just like RIP. LOL = source? ===> For which one? LOL
= either would be fine. neither can be proven. I should be clear since you’ll assume whatever meaning you want.
you cannot prove that “People in the middle east breed hate into their children by teaching them falsehoods” ====> Here’s an example: http://www.hudson.org/files/pdf_upload/saudi_textbooks_final.pdf Google “muslim textbooks seen as intolerant” for more. LOL

you also cannot prove that “Ron Paul breeds hate into their children by teaching them falsehoods” ===> Although different falsehoods, Ron Paul breeds the hate of America from effectively protecting herself by pulling the military back to our geographic borders. You don’t think RIPtilian parents tell their children these things? LOL It is only logical that they do, because parents of the other philosophies teach their children. If they don’t, perhaps they are ashamed and that explains why the RIP movement hasn’t grown very much for the past 30+ years. LOL

—> More conspiracy theories. LOL And if Germany had been more effective against our material shipments, we would all be singing in German. LOL You’re such a pathetic fool. LOL = source? ===> Logic and history books. LOL
= History might indeed show that England MIGHT be singing in German if they were more effective against our material shipments. Neither history nor logic would dictate necessarily that America would have ever been invaded, and you have NO evidence that Germany could have defeated America at home, ESPECIALLY since they couldn’t be more effective against our material shipments. ====> The assumption was if they were more effective against the shipments, so this doesn’t make any sense. LOL

They wouldn’t have been able to protect their own such shipments. Perhaps you should look more into logic. ===> Germany and Japan could attack us on both coasts, we would be isolated and vulnerable. Singing German was a figure of speech, meaning, it would NOT have been a good situation. Without us in the picture, Germany probably could have taken over Russia and the entire Middle East, as the Muslims were already Nazi allies, sharing a mutual hatred of the Jews. In fact, Saddam Hussein modeled himself after the Nazis. LOL

===> We don’t “mass murder civilians,” that is not only wrong, but stupid. It also appears the MSM, which you are generally fond of dismissing, is again wrong: http://w4.ub.uni-konstanz.de/srm/article/view/2373/3973 LOL
the source you’re trying to respond to here was during the clinton administration, the source you’ve responded with is talking about the 2003 invasion of Iraq and is not AT ALL related to my source.

===> Actually, the term used was “untangling alliances with none,” or we couldn’t even trade. We sure appreciated the French to help us win the Revolutionary War, didn’t we? AGAIN, the world is much different now than it was in the 18th century, and I believe the Founding Fathers would slap you silly if they knew you were applying 18th century response to a 21st century situation. LOL By the way, China is not sitting as pretty as the MSM makes them out to be, they have very serious structural and economic issues, among others. LOL
=actually the term used was “entangling alliances,” and theres nothing against taking sides in an individual conflict, where you got that idea i have no idea, they put the qualifications for war into the constitution. What the term refers to is in times of peace, or in terms of alliances for life kind of thing, the founders were saying that we shouldn’t have alliances which would force us to defend another nation without there being a threat to america, that we should take every conflict on the individual merits as opposed to what we have now which is if Russia attacks some small EU nation, then all of the EU must respond, and due to our treaties and alliances, we must respond as well, we must spend our money and blood on something which does not directly impair or affect us. You can try to make the claim that it does because Russia is not as friendly toward us as the country invaded is, and thats because we’ve chosen to have stronger alliances with those nations and have allied against Russia in the past when it didn’t directly affect us, if we weren’t making entangling alliances in the past then we wouldn’t be entangled now, we choose our enemies everytime we grant a protected status.

—> Has it really failed, or is that MSM talk? LOL = again, PURE CONJECTURE, SOURCE? ===> I thought the opposite of the MSM is the truth. LOL Here’s a source:
= nope not the opposite, its slanted but that never makes the opposite automatically true. ===> Just blowing smoke up your skirt. LOL

That source shows a decrease in binge drinking, driving under the influence, cocaine/meth, cigarette use. Shows an INCREASE in marijuana, extacy, cigar/hookah use, with no appreaciable change in hallucinogens, inhalents, and non-medical prescription drug usage. ===> Actually, a lot of the “increases” are short term upticks after long term decreases. LOL

Here’s what it DOESN’T show. ===> You mean the wiped out potential of the addicts? LOL

How the war on drugs is related directly to usage changes. ===> You admit the war is ongoing, and the statistics show the long term trends are mostly down, sounds like we’re winning to me. LOL

It also doesn’t show that this constitutes “working.” ===> My wife and son were reared ended in an accident last week while slowing down at a stop light. The car was totaled by the SUV, a 4-5,000 lb unguided missile. Field sobriety tests showed she was on at least alcohol, which is a legal drug. And you want illegal drugs to be made legal? Keeping someone from doing this again equals working. LOL This story is repeated across America by the thousands every single year. LOL

It doesn’t prove that the changes are worth the cost in terms of money or in terms of lives ruined in victimless crimes. ===> Please tell my wife and son, who are taking prescription pain killers and muscle relaxants, this was a victimless crime. LOL This story is repeated across America by the thousands every single year. LOL

It doesn’t justify the unconstitutional laws against drug usage (prohibition needed an amendment for a reason). Its going to take a LOT more than that pathetic source to prove the point you were trying to make. ===> I believe drugs that result in people losing judgment should be illegal under the “general welfare” clause of the Constitution. I understand alcohol can (and in my family’s case, did) create victims, and I believe the primary difference is alcohol has a long term, social acceptability. But that doesn’t mean we should multiply our problems. LOL

—> That’s why we’re doing things different and better this time. LOL = SOURCE? ===> Read your history, good examples are Afghanistan in the 1980s and now, and Iraq after the first Gulf War and now. LOL
= for your argument to be valid you need specific points, read history is not an argument. ===> I’m not going to teach you basic history. LOL

Am i to assume that you mean we are doing better this time by staying in their country? ===> Not just “staying,” (e.g., occupying) that would describe what the USSR did in Afghanistan in the 1980s. We are in these countries with the purpose of standing up local, state, and federal governments that can tamp down the terrorists, so we can significantly reduce our resources and remain relatively safe compared to pre-9/11. The RIP cry to bring our troops home NOW would not only mean those who lost their lives or limbs did so in vain, but we would be right back to being vulnerable to the terrorists again. Even Barry could make RIP look stupid on that point. LOL

—> The modern world is more complicated than that, even RIP wants to trade, which potentially sets up theses issues. LOL = please SOURCE where free trade causes these issues, LOVE TO SEE IT ===> LOVE TO SHOW YOU’RE STUPID. Wherever there is trade, there are potentially threats to cut off trade. LOL!
= potentially, yes, thats fair to an extent. Please show me an actual example of where a country has free trade with America and chooses to disrupt those trades. ===> It’s usually a 3rd party that disrupts trade. The reason we’re building up a presence in northern Australia right now isn’t to pet the koala bears, it’s because China is flexing her military muscles, and if we want to keep the sea lanes open, we must show a presence there. Japan expanded throughout that entire area running up to WWII, and if we had a stronger military and presence back then, we may have been able to prevent a very bloody and costly war. Same with Hitler, taking over entire countries obviously disrupts otherwise free trade between countries, and if the rest of Europe had stood up to him earlier, he probably would have backed down, potentially preventing WWII in Europe as well. Which path do YOU want to go down? And you wonder why people puke over RIP’s foreign policies? LOL

—> No, but you can kill them if you need to. LOL = really, this is your solution? you would have us glass the middle east? since they all ‘hate us so much’, we would have to kill them all, is genocide acceptable to you? are you devoid of morals or ethics? ===> This was in response to this statement, “you can’t force someone to like you at gunpoint.” For you to take it to glassing the Middle East is stuff fruitcakes are made of. LOL
= not at all, you responded to that statement sure, however that statement was a part of a larger argument which WAS extended to the middle east in general, you can’t take my words out of context and pretend you’re making a real point. All i did was put your point back into the context of the argument we were having. ===> And I was agreeing you can’t make someone like you at gunpoint, but if they don’t like you to the point that you feel threatened, AND you have a gun, defend yourself. LOL

i have tried twice to respond to the oil questiosn and my comment has failed to appear TWICE now, and no they do not appear to be in moderation…(make that four times, ill try breaking it up)
Correction: We use VERY little petroleum for electricity production, ABOUT 1% according to wiki. LOL
= still 1% in the right direction now down to 25% from OPEC and 12% from Persian Gulf

I said YOUR gas tank. It doesn’t do much good if you have to buy a new car, and don’t have the natural gas infrastructure (gas stations) to support it. LOL
= not that you would know, but no i do not, but several cities have NG busses and other gov’t vehicles, point is alternatives exist and short term disruptions would not bring down the nation in any significant manor

.===> This is so stupid. Canada can’t just suddenly ramp up production to meet our needs, they have long term contracts with others, and it takes YEARS to develop new sources. LOL Plus, the transportation cost is already factored into the cost of petroleum products, and the reason the Middle East is so cheap is because it costs less to get it out of the ground, is high quality and therefore easier/cheaper to process, and transporting it is a minimal cost. LOL Oil/shale is NOT cheap to mine, the only reason it looks better now is because demand, primarily from China and India, has driven prices up. LOL You sound like you have all the answers that somehow the experts haven’t thought of, until we look at the facts. LOL
= no, you are making the stupid argument here… Oil demand is GLOBAL just like supply, you cannot RAMP UP demand the same way you cannot RAMP UP supply. If china forcefully re-routs Persian Gulf oil, then they no longer will be buying it from places like canada, or more correctly canada will no longer be selling them oil. Canada will never be complicit in some power-play against america, at least not concerning oil like this. Also, China cannot afford to buy its own oil and the oil we buy, it cannot corner the market such that we are shorted in any way, your argument is silly.

Dr. Paul was correct in saying that a 1945 dime can approximately buy a gallon of gas. The silver content of that dime can be traded for over 3$, im not going to bother to do the math for today but you can find the silver content and today’s spot price and you will find that within a few cents its true.
If i need to explain the effect of the petrodollar, i will.
Crude oil today is roughly the same price(in oz of gold) as it was in 1950. The reason oil companies talk about the economical price of shale is because they’re taking advantage of different perspectives on the value of FRNs, oil and gold, all due to the petrodollar artificially raising the value of FRNs. if i need to go into greater detail i will.

you missed the point and your reply is irrelevant to my point, countries don’t need to be equal for something to be unethical and ‘wrong’ by any standards ===> And by what “standards” are we wrong? LOL = the standards could be unwanted occupation, ===> Which can also be called liberating. LOL

dropping bombs without declared war, ====> Which could be attacking terrorists in countries unable/unwilling to take care of them. LOL

killing civilians, ===> Which could be called collateral damage, which we take extreme caution to minimize, even to the point of putting our own personnel in extreme danger. LOL

targeting civilian locations, ===> Which could be the result of using civilians as human shields. LOL

using depleted uranium as munition components, ===> Which is what most countries support. LOL

torture(even when flowery language is used to describe it), ===> Which could save numerous American lives. LOL

bribing neighboring countries for close access(billions of aid), ===> Which is also done by many other countries. LOL

any of these or any of several others could be cited as what we’re doing wrong. ===> They could also be cited as I described above, part of the war against terrorism. Would you prefer we fight with both hands tied behind our backs? LOL

this is why i was combining them into one post, i haven’t even finished refuting your previous posts ===> I find one huge post too confusing, as I often refer back to previous comments and like to use links when appropriate, and you can only post a message with one link without it going into moderation. LOL

===> I never said we did, but we HAVE done much more good for this world than any country ever, I never claimed we were perfect. LOL
= you’re right, but there are MANY nations which could have said this at one point or another, and then they went the other direction, as we do now. ===> You would be VERY hard pressed to find a single country that has done as much good as the USA. LOL

—> Tell that to the families of the 9/11 victims. LOL = appeal to emotion = fallacy, again, try logic at your local community college ===> It is emotion, and it’s also fact. There’s no fallacy involved. LOL
=ok then you agree on the emotial fallacy if the facts of an argument don’t, by themselves, support the conclusion, we agree there. ===> No, we don’t agree. There are BOTH facts and emotions involved. It’s not one or the other, it’s both. LOL

now to show that the claim and its support are separate from the appeal to emotion and therefore I was correct in saying what i did concerning its fallacy in your usage. ===> That was some twisted logic, but go on. LOL

First of all you took my claim out of its context and then applied it to 9/11, i was speaking of economic dominance, which is what has produced our military dominance, and is what holds enemies at bay. ====> Would you rather be economically and militarily weak? LOL

My claim, if it must applied to this topic, would be that had we been spending our money and resources here, instead of having them positioned throughout the middle east, then they’d have had NO reason to do what was done. ===> They have oil. LOL

Which, had they still done it, would have given us the undeniable moral high ground. ===> We are over there for the oil, and they are getting rich. It’s called free trade, EXACTLY what RIP supports. LOL

Instead we are on questionable moral grounds due to our unwanted presence for 60 years. ===> Just because SOME people don’t want us there doesn’t mean we don’t belong there. Apply your logic to every location, and we couldn’t be anywhere, because there will always be someone who doesn’t want us there. LOL

To ignore the past when discussing 9/11 is to speak to the emotion of the event, ie fallacy. ===> I’m not ignoring anything. LOL

You wish to generate feelings in the reader to bring them closer to your point, thats the essence of an appeal to emotion. ===> Should I deny that family and friends hearts were ripped out when they saw their relatives and friends DIE? LOL

If your claim is that we need our resources abroad to prevent such actions, please explain how we didn’t have resources in the area at the time it occured, because otherwise your only basis for your point is emotion. ===> Are you talking about the area of New York and Washington, or at the Boston and Washington D.C. airports? I’ll assume the airports, the problem is we were not aware of the nature of the threat, so it’s a bit hard to counter it. LOL

In order for your claim to NOT be an appeal to emotion, then what i said had to be patently false, as in all of our resouces would have needed to be at home when 9/11 occured, since thats not the case, then you were not refuting my point with any facts. ===> Again, this is twisted logic. LOL

—> No, but you can kill them if you need to. LOL = needed to put this down twice, that attitude is why we were attacked, if you do not have the basic respect for combatants and more importantly civilians, even worse, if you don’t even respect those who are potentially not enemies, then you are deserving of attack, and many people paid the price for our hubris with their lives on 9/11, you dishonor them with your flippant disregaurd for the lessons to be learned ===> We have the necessary “respect” for combatants. We kill them or capture them. We also are FAR more cautious and careful about civilian casualties than ANY other country, ever, unless you want to count Switzerland. LOL Hubris didn’t kill people on 9/11, Al Qaeda did. LOL
=if we capture we tortured, thats not necessary respect. ===> Flying airplanes into the World Trade Center, which had as much office space as the entire city of Miami, isn’t exactly friendly or respectful, either. LOL

we are not cautious nor careful except to court public opinion, which does not make it moral, if you can prove that we are more cautious and careful than any other nation except Switzerland then ill grant you that point. ===> We have let the bad guys get away many times because of civilians in the area. LOL

Hubris caused Al Qaeda to hate us, which caused 9/11, forgetting or not considering an original cause doesn’t mean it isn’t there. ===> How far back to the “original cause” would you like to go, Adam and Eve and the apple? LOL

you want to talk like its a new *complicated* future, where terrorist attacks could happen at any time, consider what a CIVILIAN in pakistan or any of the various places we silently bomb from the sky goes through and explain how our govt isn’t terrorizing them ===> See civilian casualty comment above. If a foreign government can’t stop terrorists, we will. Simple as that. LOL
=prove civilian casualty comment above and ill grant it. ===> Here’s an example: http://info.publicintelligence.net/USMC-CivilianCasualtiesMitigation.pdf

so far we haven’t stopped terrorism and we’ve been at it for 20-30 years. ===> And George Bush stated shortly after 9/11 this will be a long war. LOL

again, every time we kill a civilian with an attack we justify their hate and create new terrorists. ===> The alternative is to leave them alone so they can organize, plan, recruit, fund, practice and execute attacks. Take your pick, the 3rd fantasy scenario isn’t available. LOL

LOL that article proves my point moron. Don’t bring me this neo-con trash expecting me to just buy their obvious propaganda. AND I QUOTE:
In an audiotape released on February 11, 2003, bin Laden explained: “It is true that Saddam is a thief and an apostate, but the solution is not to be found in moving the government of Iraq from a local thief to a foreign one.”
Bin Laden continued:
There is no harm in such circumstances if the Muslims’ interests coincide with those of the socialists in fighting the Crusaders, despite our firm conviction that they are infidels….There is nothing wrong with a convergence of interests here.
END QUOTE
In other words, Bin Laden thought of Saddam as an enemy(infedel, our own status) until we decided to be the aggressor and fight Iraq, we drove them to band together to fight against us.

===> Barry has the image. Barry would have a field day with RIP’s foreign policies. And you don’t have any proof that he wouldn’t, although RIP’s first statewide election was a disaster, against a guy who just switched from being a Dem, no less. AND
2 miserable failed presidential attempts would be pummeled. LOL
= you mean the foreign policies Barry ran on? Barry would lose the anti-war people unless he abandons the pro-war people, but Repubs aren’t going to vote for Barry. Ron Paul can challenge BO on everything he said he was going to do and didn’t. Romney has no real policy differences from Barry, he’d give the money to a different set of industries, but other than that, they agree on foreign policy, spending, monetary policy, many domestic policies, NDAA, patriot act, etc. etc.

RP is the most liked and Barry is the most unliked(oops guess not), though i believe Romney is in the same strata as Barry. (Hehe bothered to look this up, GUESS WHAT I FOUND LOL? Romney is actually MORE unfavorable than Barry) source: ===> Of course he’s more unfavorable, he’s just coming out of a brutal primary campaign. LOL
=LOL really? you mean like BO last election? LOLhttp://www.gallup.com/poll/111439/Obama-McCain-Two-BestLiked-Candidates.aspx

your argument fails, by your standards Romney would not be leading Barry nation-wide, since he does in many polls your conjecture about unfavorability is unfounded. ===> You’re “forgetting” Romney got a LOT more votes than RIP, so you’re trying to compare apples to oranges. LOL
=i wasn’t making any assertions, all i did was apply your claim to another candidate and it didn’t work, invalidating your theory as the primary cause of the phenomenon(in the technical sense)

RP’s politics are constitutional not libertarian. ===> Then why did he run as a Libertarian? LOL Plus, anybody could run as a “Constitutionalist” it depends on their interpretation of the Constitution. LOL
= LOL you’re right anyone COULD run on that platform, but THEY DON’T, because they don’t care about it. Our constitutional law professor approves assassination of american citizens and re approves (originally allowed by BUSH) indefinate detention of american citizens. Romney supports NDAA and patriot act and SOPA/PIPA-esqe legislation, neither freedom nor the constitution matter to these people…

===> It’s article 3, ….LOL Clearly, the Constitution depends on groups of people working out differences and coming to a consensus. Both houses of Congress have to produce majority votes (sometimes more) to get anything done. RIP never “got” this concept, and therefore wasted 2 decades in Congress, fretting in a corner all by himself. LOL
= what you seem to be missing is the same thing santorum was missing when he said “sometimes you gotta take one for the team,” you NEVER take one for the team when you’re representing Americans. this is a republic, and representatves owe allegiance to is people not the party to which they belongs, and that team mentality delivered obama care though Arlen Spector, who your boy santorum helped re-elect.

you cannot prove that “People in the middle east breed hate into their children by teaching them falsehoods” ====> Here’s an example:
= LOL i simply LOVE that you would bring me an example of our ally LOL clearly thats not the basis for who’s a friend and who’s not
would you like me to get examples of american text-books which are intolerant? how far back am i allowed to go(not that i would need to go back very far i imagine)? we’ve always been a country of complete tolerance… LOL
however, i will grant that is an example of indoctrination, i would expect no less from a religious state. Im really not suprised to see it from a religion which has been mostly on the losing end of a 1000 yr religious war. But hating the enemy isn’t exactly a falsehood.. besisdes Christians used to live freely in Iraq, not so much anymore… hows that for progress.
“After the 2003 invasion of Iraq, violence against Christians rose, with reports of abduction, torture, bombings, and killings.[5] Some Christians were pressured to convert to Islam under threat of death or expulsion, and women were ordered to wear Islamic dress.” Thank you wikipedia.

===> Although different falsehoods, Ron Paul breeds the hate of America from effectively protecting herself by pulling the military back to our geographic borders. You don’t think RIPtilian parents tell their children these things? LOL It is only logical that they do, because parents of the other philosophies teach their children. If they don’t, perhaps they are ashamed and that explains why the RIP movement hasn’t grown very much for the past 30+ years. LOL
= LOL not one Ron Paul fan hates America, you could maybe claim we hate the government, but even thats not true, we disagree with policy and direction.

====> The assumption was if they were more effective against the shipments, so this doesn’t make any sense. LOL
=yes and that assumption would have gotten you as far as Germany taking England, it would take several more assumptions to get them to America.

i guess you don’t understand logistics all that much, its incredibly difficult to maintain supply lines over such great distances, ask Gen Patraeus, the superiority required to maintain those material shipments is huge. You granting that same superiority to Germany over our might is akin to saying that Iran would win if they had a fleet of nuclear stealth bombers that we couldn’t detect… LOL yeah… SO WHAT. that argument has no value in reality.

===> Germany and Japan could attack us on both coasts, we would be isolated and vulnerable. Singing German was a figure of speech, meaning, it would NOT have been a good situation. Without us in the picture, Germany probably could have taken over Russia and the entire Middle East, as the Muslims were already Nazi allies, sharing a mutual hatred of the Jews. In fact, Saddam Hussein modeled himself after the Nazis. LOL
= Japan had already been nuetralized, perhaps you should describe the entire fantasy world you’re offering. We would have had all the weapons we used to win in Europe and the supply lines would have been shorter allowing for a much greater disparity between American and Nazi rations which even in Europe there was a startling difference. We would have had about 100 times as many soldiers and guns, no invasion force should EVER think to come here, its suicide. Russia is what stopped the Nazi’s, they threw millions of them at them until the tanks could not roll over the dead. We distracted, and well i might add, but in time Russia would have liberated Europe, in a manner of speaking. If not, he would have spread himself so thin it would collapse under the weight of tyranny or be disolved through rebellion. Simply fighting that war to its real-life conclusion bankrupted the nation you think it was going to make it over here, where all the GOLD was?

===> My wife and son were reared ended in an accident last week while slowing down at a stop light. The car was totaled by the SUV, a 4-5,000 lb unguided missile. Field sobriety tests showed she was on at least alcohol, which is a legal drug. And you want illegal drugs to be made legal? Keeping someone from doing this again equals working. LOL This story is repeated across America by the thousands every single year. LOL
=yes drinking is legal, driving drunk is NOT, she was breaking the law, no one is saying you should be able to do a bunch of drugs and hop on a freeway…
===> Please tell my wife and son, who are taking prescription pain killers and muscle relaxants, this was a victimless crime. LOL This story is repeated across America by the thousands every single year. LOL
=i never claimed driving under the influence is a victimless crime now did i? straw man and appeal to emotion. her drinking was victimless and not a crime, stepping behind the wheel under the influence changed both of those things.

===> I believe drugs that result in people losing judgment should be illegal under the “general welfare” clause of the Constitution. I understand alcohol can (and in my family’s case, did) create victims, and I believe the primary difference is alcohol has a long term, social acceptability. But that doesn’t mean we should multiply our problems. LOL
=again alcohol didn’t cause your problem, stupid people caused your problem. “drugs” have only had short-term unacceptability, and only certain ones which aren’t patented LOL…
heres what the founders think of your idea on the general welfare clause, all from wikipedia.
Jefferson:
“[T]he laying of taxes is the power, and the general welfare the purpose for which the power is to be exercised. They [Congress] are not to lay taxes ad libitum for any purpose they please; but only to pay the debts or provide for the welfare of the Union. In like manner, they are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare, but only to lay taxes for that purpose.”[8]
Madison:
James Madison advocated for the ratification of the Constitution in The Federalist and at the Virginia ratifying convention upon a narrow construction of the clause, asserting that spending must be at least tangentially tied to one of the other specifically enumerated powers, such as regulating interstate or foreign commerce, or providing for the military, as the General Welfare Clause is not a specific grant of power, but a statement of purpose qualifying the power to tax.[10][11]
Please do go look for dissenting opinions, Hamilton used broad interpretation as have many since then, unfortunately for you, they ALL refer specifically to the power to tax, they ALL agree that it grants no new powers other than, for some, to tax or to spend.

= for your argument to be valid you need specific points, read history is not an argument. ===> I’m not going to teach you basic history. LOL
=LMAO i didn’t ask you to teach me basic history, i asked you for the specific differences then and now, in case you didn’t know an argument contains both a claim and evidence which supports that claim

===> It’s usually a 3rd party that disrupts trade. The reason we’re building up a presence in northern Australia right now isn’t to pet the koala bears, it’s because China is flexing her military muscles, and if we want to keep the sea lanes open, we must show a presence there. Japan expanded throughout that entire area running up to WWII, and if we had a stronger military and presence back then, we may have been able to prevent a very bloody and costly war. Same with Hitler, taking over entire countries obviously disrupts otherwise free trade between countries, and if the rest of Europe had stood up to him earlier, he probably would have backed down, potentially preventing WWII in Europe as well. Which path do YOU want to go down? And you wonder why people puke over RIP’s foreign policies? LOL
= LOL we HAD a presence in the west pacific when Japan was expanding, thats why they attacked us…
LOL and YES! Germany’s neighbors should have worried and decided to build up their might, its not like it was a secret they were beating war drums. you’re exactly right that if EUROPE had paid attention to their own areas instead of being EMPIRES then it would have never happened… hmm im noticing a correlation to today… now what could it be… oh right, we should stick to our region and let Europe see to itself and let the Middle East find its own identity, and if they fail to do that, let them kill each other until they see the futility of world domination. you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink, and killing that horse doesn’t actually gain you anything (in reference to if they don’t like you, shoot them..)

===> And I was agreeing you can’t make someone like you at gunpoint, but if they don’t like you to the point that you feel threatened, AND you have a gun, defend yourself. LOL
= yeah DEFEND yourself, key word, not attack and then proceed to go to their house and kill all their friends.

the standards could be unwanted occupation, ===> Which can also be called liberating. LOL
killing civilians, ===> Which could be called collateral damage, which we take extreme caution to minimize, even to the point of putting our own personnel in extreme danger. LOL
= you’re REALLY well versed in Orwellian DOUBLESPEAK, defend=attackfirst, unwantedoccuption=liberating, killingcivilians=collateraldamage LOL wake UP! liberating is WANTED OCCUPATION. collateral damage is the same term al qaeda could use about 9/11 isn’t it?

dropping bombs without declared war, ====> Which could be attacking terrorists in countries unable/unwilling to take care of them. LOL
=or it could be droping bombs without declared war like i said the first time, i understand you can justify anything if you’re first willing to accept that you are allowed to do things that are immoral when others do them

using depleted uranium as munition components, ===> Which is what most countries support. LOL
=and the mansons killed people, should their neighbors assume thats the right thing to do? more and more countries come out against it all the time, its mostly NATO that rejects getting rid of it

bribing neighboring countries for close access(billions of aid), ===> Which is also done by many other countries. LOL
=that makes it right? that would justify all kinds of atrocities, you’re insane.

torture(even when flowery language is used to describe it), ===> Which could save numerous American lives. LOL
=it is the practice of tyranny, not of a free people, if you wouldn’t torture an american, you shouldn’t torture them, if the enemy is ‘evil’ you shouldn’t become evil to fight it, you’ve already lost at that point.

===> I find one huge post too confusing, as I often refer back to previous comments and like to use links when appropriate, and you can only post a message with one link without it going into moderation. LOL
= LOL i’ve only seen you use about 3 links in around 200 posts to this thread, but whatever

===> You would be VERY hard pressed to find a single country that has done as much good as the USA. LOL
=good in what way? it would be pretty easy to say without greece there’d be no western culture and thus no USA, or without England and the magna carta there’d be no USA, so maybe they’re responsible for the good we’ve done. i mean, we’ve done a lot of good, but we’ve only been around a couple hundred years, so if you made a stack of good things done, i bet there are some other countries whose stacks are bigger. do you mean we’ve done a higher percentage of good vs bad? maybe you have room there, but we’re in our infancy as a superpower, give us a little time and we’ll build up a large atrocity stack at the rate we’re going.

====> Would you rather be economically and militarily weak? LOL
=no, i never said anything close to that

===> They have oil. LOL
=and? you think they wouldn’t have sold it to us?

===> We are over there for the oil, and they are getting rich. It’s called free trade, EXACTLY what RIP supports. LOL
=free trade isn’t enforced at gunpoint, we wouldn’t need soldiers there if it was in fact free trade, companies can hire security if thats the issue.

===> Just because SOME people don’t want us there doesn’t mean we don’t belong there. Apply your logic to every location, and we couldn’t be anywhere, because there will always be someone who doesn’t want us there. LOL
= LOL just because SOME people want us there doesn’t mean we belong there. apply your logic to every location, and we would be everywhere, there will always be someone who wants us to be there

===> Should I deny that family and friends hearts were ripped out when they saw their relatives and friends DIE? LOL
=that certainly something you shouldn’t laugh at, but the answer is no, you shouldn’t deny it. however, if your claim is right, you don’t need their suffering to prove your point. thats why an appeal to emotion is a fallacy.

=if we capture we tortured, thats not necessary respect. ===> Flying airplanes into the World Trade Center, which had as much office space as the entire city of Miami, isn’t exactly friendly or respectful, either. LOL
= LOL you would say that.. why do you act like puberty-stricken teenager? ‘he did it too!!’ ‘he did it first!!’ what someone else “also” does has no bearing on the rightness or wrongness of what we are doing

=prove civilian casualty comment above and ill grant it. ===> Here’s an example:
=if you would see above you would realize you didn’t answer my charge
if you can prove that we are more cautious and careful than any other nation except Switzerland then ill grant you that point.
all you did is show we try, but as i said thats for show, im not saying there aren’t a huge percentage of really good people in the military, because there are, but drone strikes and all this covert crap couldn’t care less about collateral damage

so far we haven’t stopped terrorism and we’ve been at it for 20-30 years. ===> And George Bush stated shortly after 9/11 this will be a long war. LOL
=and the region continues to destabilize, when will get that what we’re doing is counter productive

again, every time we kill a civilian with an attack we justify their hate and create new terrorists. ===> The alternative is to leave them alone so they can organize, plan, recruit, fund, practice and execute attacks. Take your pick, the 3rd fantasy scenario isn’t available. LOL
=i guess if it had to be done, the manly way to do it is track him with a predator and send in an assault team, at least that way you can claim you tried to avoid unnecessary distruction and bloodshed, i mean thats pretty much how we used to do it, its pretty shameful in my mind to calculate that a few of their citizens aren’t worth putting soldiers in the line of fire when supposedly we’re there to promote their democracy and their freedom

surfisher, this has been going on since at least 2009. I am interested to see you method to deal with the troll. Please dont take offense if I inject my say @ tex2. I despise the ignorance. He has no business in the discussion of patriots.
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tex2 says:
April 15, 2012 at 9:34 pm

Why don’t you just ask Doug to drop his trousers so you can kiss his backside? LOL
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this is not the place to talk about your fantasies, tex2(scott).

i would agree but the only things that make sense to me in terms of a reason he’s here is a personal vendetta, people have obviously hated him other places too, there must be something special about this one

—> He is also a miserable failure for failing to understand politics is a team sport. LOL = source? ===> The Constitution. LOL

–>They breed it into their children by teaching them falsehoods, just like RIP. LOL = source? ===> For which one? LOL

—> More conspiracy theories. LOL And if Germany had been more effective against our material shipments, we would all be singing in German. LOL You’re such a pathetic fool. LOL = source? ===> Logic and history books. LOL

—> That’s why we’re doing things different and better this time. LOL = SOURCE? ===> Read your history, good examples are Afghanistan in the 1980s and now, and Iraq after the first Gulf War and now. LOL

—> The modern world is more complicated than that, even RIP wants to trade, which potentially sets up theses issues. LOL = please SOURCE where free trade causes these issues, LOVE TO SEE IT ===> LOVE TO SHOW YOU’RE STUPID. Wherever there is trade, there are potentially threats to cut off trade. LOL

===> The Tea Party had THE major impact on the 2010 elections. Even those who were not involved in the Tea Party developed a distaste for the incumbents because of the ruckus raised by the Tea Party. You’re being desperate by maintaining if you can show a single example, rather than the major factor, that you win. However that is consistent with RIP’s take on things, fourth place is somehow a victory. LOL It’s pretty lame to keep blaming others (neo-cons) for RIP’s nutty foreign policy, I couldn’t find a single Tea Party organization that supports the “guard the border” mantra. LOL
=LOL you said it right there buddy, Dr Paul started the movement which would throw out a large percentage of congress, it will continue to happen this year, i’ve heard there are at least a dozen RP style people running for national office, and well over a 100 running for state office. No Duh you didn’t find any TP orgs that say that today, it was CO-OPTED, the same way end the fed was co-opted to become occupy by neo-liberals.
How did i blame neo-cons for RP’s foreign policy? i would never claim neo-cons as a cause for his foreign policy, its based on the constitution.

Spot on for a RIPtilian, but as usual, RIP goes “off the reservation” with his kooky foreign policies and loses most of their support and is left with only his usual base of druggies and freedom at any costs crowd. LOL

For example, do you guys think the War Powers Resolution is unconstitutional? LOL

The #2 is a Forum parasite — it only disrupts normal conversation since it hijacks all threads! It is a Shill, or IT could very well be a 300+lb, pimply shut-in, that lives in mum’s basement getting maternal sponge-baths since it is too massive to crawl to the bathroom upstairs — with its total life consisting of trolling only.

Until BANNED — BEST to IGNORE this Waste-of-Protoplasm, and NEVER respond to IT!

Well there are two things to consider
1) Everyone is entitled to their own liberties, which includes freedom of thought and freedom of speech.
2) Everyone has a responsibility to respect the liberties of their fellow humans, including the freedom to be wrong.

I think he’s kind of cute throwing little tantrums like that, reminds me of my little girl when she doesn’t get her own way.

Anyhow, how come non-US citizens are not allowed to donate, don’t you know the whole world has a stake in the outcome of this election?

Well there are two things to consider
1) Everyone is entitled to their own liberties, which includes freedom of thought and freedom of speech. LOL
2) Everyone has a responsibility to respect the liberties of their fellow humans, including the freedom to be wrong. LOL

I think Darius is kind of cute throwing little tantrums like that, reminds me of my boys when they were little and didn’t get her own way. LOL

Anyhow, how come non-US citizens are not allowed to donate, don’t you know the whole world has a stake in the outcome of this election? —> Because the system is corrupt enough as it is, you IDIOT. LOL

when you present your first shred of evidence for anything then you can talk, until then you’re a coward and a chump, be expecting my reply to your junk a couple days ago, its been awaiting mod for a day

when you present your first shred of evidence for anything then you can talk, —> There are facts and logic throughout my statement, and I’ve even cited studies, such as the one that image is important to be electable. LOL

until then you’re a coward and a chump, —> You said above, “…then you can talk.” but you won’t even talk.You are the coward and chump, you won’t even make a simple phone call. LOL

be expecting my reply to your junk a couple days ago, its been awaiting mod for a day —> You can break up your response with one link per section and get it posted right now. LOL

Our Future, as a Free and Prosperous Nation is too precious to ALLOW any Troll, such as the #2 — by its hijacking of all threads— to confiscate this Forum away from us (where Real Americans are trying to converse on what’s best for the US)!

Vote YES to BAN the “tex2″ creature — your votes will be counted, and submitted to Doug!

Vote YES to BAN the “tex2″ creature — your votes will be counted, and submitted to Doug.

Our Future, as a Free and Prosperous Nation is too precious to ALLOW any Troll, such as the #2 — by its hijacking of all threads— to confiscate this Forum away from us (where Real Americans are trying to converse on what’s best for the US)!

Vote YES to BAN the “tex2″ creature — your votes will be counted, and submitted to Doug.

Our Future, as a Free and Prosperous Nation is too precious to
ALLOW any Troll, such as the #2 — by its hijacking of all threads— to confiscate this Forum away from us (where Real Americans are trying to converse on what’s best for the US)!

Current VOTE count:

1) Surfisher — Yes
2) Wendy Jones — Yes

(her post — Wendy Jones says:
April 16, 2012 at 12:20 am
“Doug Wead
Surfisher I agree.
2) Yes–Tex 2 should be banned for the never-ending noxious hate-spewing and name calling. He is destroying the quality of your website.”)

The one I like best is “Restraining Order Libel Suit and resulting gag order” involving Amway. LOL

It’s not a restraining order, the lawsuit never involved libel, there is no gag order (but since I am “the most dangerous man” because I tell Amway distributors about the Amway Tool Scam, I agreed to educate the general population instead of the Ambots, much like my target here isn’t the RIPtilians, but readers that trip across this site – LOL), but it DOES involve Amway, the only part they got right. LOL

Thank you, Doug, for this informative article! Many still do not understand simple facts like 1) Israel has thirteen political parties in its congress including two Arab parties.; 2) Israel has 25%+ Israeli Arabs (in addition to Palestinians) who have full Israeli citizenship, own political parties and equal rights. 3) Aid to Israel grows local Israeli socialists who in 1998 almost gave half of Jerusalem to Arafat.

1. These Arab parties are probably as influential as RIP’s party, in other words, very little. LOL
2. As it should be. LOL
3. Socialists are always trying to grow in a free society, just like RIPtilians are over here. LOL Key word: almost. LOL

“When Dr. Paul said something similar in a debate the next week, insisting that we should not go to war with Iran on a presidential executive decision but only by consultation with the congress, he was heavily criticized and ridiculed.” — Sounds refreshing to me. I am tired of seeing the executive branch take on more power every election cycle.

Geeze Louise the framers clearly intended a separtion of powers to exist. The war powers act 1 and 2, along with the war powers resolution act of 73 didn’t entirely strip congress of powers granted them by the constitution. Dr. Paul is clearly in the right with regards to Iran as mentioned in the article. There is no imminent danger that would qualify as an “emergency” to take immediate action without the consent of congress. We’ve known about Iran’s nuke intentions for how long now? War powers is quite a slant in this particular case, just a little don’t ya think, especially with regards to the above article. Again, refreshing to see a candidate finally get around to addressing such things.

Ladies and gentlemen you’ve seen the expert on the subject of obtuse in action. Not a traitor to Santorum, my country comes first or did you fail to read that too. Pick and choose kind of guy huh? I guess you being a Romney fan or patriot would have a hard time understanding that — obtuse enough for ya? Or, should I try some of your words LOL. Engaging in your kind of conversation for ya? LOL Guys like you that seem to feel Romney will bring us significantly better results are the real danger. I wouldn’t be surprised if he pays you like he does everybody else. Paid bloggers … eib excellent in blogging LOL no doubt he’s hired the right guy to try and sell his line in here. Trouble is nobody’s biting. No converts today. Better luck tomorrow. You are hoot if anything else sir. Still haven’t got an answer to that question I asked of you and nope I am not asking again. If you took the time to actually read all posts instead of trying to rip other people’s posts down with only your own view in mind, you’d have seen it in the first place. By this point having read many of your posts I have the answer anyway ;-) Yes sir you fit right in with the Romney camp. Your mother know you’re online this late at night? Here’s a clue. You wan’t respect, try giving some.

The war powers act 1 and 2, along with the war powers resolution act of 73 didn’t entirely strip congress of powers granted them by the constitution. —> I didn’t claim it did. LOL

Dr. Paul is clearly in the right with regards to Iran as mentioned in the article. —> I don’t have an issue with getting specific statutory authorization from Congress, it would send the right message to Iran. I also don’t remember him being criticized that much, probably because hardly anyone pays any attention to him. Doug talks like people care about what RIP says and/or blows the scenario out of proportion. LOL

There is no imminent danger that would qualify as an “emergency” to take immediate action without the consent of congress. —> I don’t see where the term “imminent danger” is used in the Resolution. Care to point it out to me? Besides, the Senate hasn’t approved a budget for 3 years, how can you expect them to be timely enough when situations develop “… where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances?”

We’ve known about Iran’s nuke intentions for how long now? —> You mean their nuclear energy power program? LOL The Resolution doesn’t speak to how long we’ve known, or have suspected, undesirable behavior. If Congress was smart, they would approve a specific statutory authorization for Iran, as they have done in the past. If Barry was smart, he would ask for one. LOL

War powers is quite a slant in this particular case, just a little don’t ya think, especially with regards to the above article. —> No, I don’t think so at all. LOL

Again, refreshing to see a candidate finally get around to addressing such things. —> You don’t think any president or Congress has addressed this issue before? LOL

Ladies and gentlemen you’ve seen the expert on the subject of obtuse in action. —> Take a bow, BS. LOL

Not a traitor to Santorum, my country comes first or did you fail to read that too. —> If you think RIP is so great, answer these issues:

Why Ron Paul would NOT be a good president:
1. He is old, mousey, whiny, grumpy, skinny, etc. Do not underestimate the importance of these factors, as a very large number of voters are not familiar with the issues, and vote for vanity. Sad but true. It does no good to have good ideas when you don’t have the presidential image, and Ron has neither.
2. He has been in Congress for 2 decades and doesn’t have a single bill to his name. We elected someone president with zero accomplishments in 2008, why would we want to do that again? How can you expect him to be able to lead the country when he can’t lead a single bill to fruition after 20 years?
3. He even voted against his own bill to audit the Federal Reserve, because he didn’t get every single detail he wanted. He is so stubbornly rigid he simply takes his toys and goes home if he doesn’t get every little detail he wants.
4. Many of his domestic policies are admirable, but how does he expect to implement them when he will have to work with Congress to get many of them turned into a reality? Will he simply hold his breath until Congress lets him get his way, because he has zero track record of using any other tactic to be successful?
5. Most of his foreign policies are dangerous. If we pull out of foreign countries, the vacuum WILL be filled by Russia, China, etc. Once you lose your toehold, it is VERY difficult to expand military operations if the need arises. Think about how hard it would have been for the U.S. to fight Hitler if England had fallen. For example, if China decides they don’t want to allow free flow of oil, we would have no recourse, as it takes years, if not decades, to develop independent energy sources. He is simply naive to the point of being a traitor to his own country. Also, we need forward positioned military presence to fight the global war on terror. It isn’t being fought only in Iraq and Afghanistan, there are operations literally around the world preventing future 9/11 type attacks that simply cannot be fought by guarding our own borders, 9/11 should have taught us that. We must therefore disrupt the terrorist cells wherever they are, so they cannot organize, plan, recruit, train, equip, and attack again. To not do this would be suicidal.
For the above and other reasons, Ron gets the pot smoking and “freedom at any cost” crowd, and that’s all he will ever get…LOL

Pick and choose kind of guy huh? —> Where would you get that impression? I have answered every point, point by point, whereas YOU have ignored numerous aspects of my response and cherry picked at will. LOL

I guess you being a Romney fan or patriot would have a hard time understanding that — obtuse enough for ya? —> Actually, my preference was Santorum, Gingrich, Romney, Paul, and Barry, in that order. LOL

Guys like you that seem to feel Romney will bring us significantly better results are the real danger. —> I never stated that, but I do believe he would be significantly better than Barry, whereas RIP’s defensive posture would be a disaster. LOL

I wouldn’t be surprised if he pays you like he does everybody else. —> I don’t know how he pays everybody else, so I can’t make much of a comment on that. LOL

Paid bloggers … eib excellent in blogging LOL no doubt he’s hired the right guy to try and sell his line in here. —> I’m not here to sell his line, I’m here to ensure RIP is minimized. LOL

Trouble is nobody’s biting. —> How would you know? Do you know how many people have read this blog and been turned off of RIP? LOL

No converts today. —> Do you even know how many people read a blog and don’t comment? It’s normally hundreds, if not thousands to one. LOL

Better luck tomorrow. —> I’ve had good luck every day I’ve been here. LOL

You are hoot if anything else sir. —> You are stupid and nothing else “sir.” LOL

Still haven’t got an answer to that question I asked of you and nope I am not asking again. —> And if you don’t care to repeat it, I’m not going to go looking for it. If it doesn’t matter to you, it surely doesn’t matter to me. LOL

If you took the time to actually read all posts instead of trying to rip other people’s posts down with only your own view in mind, you’d have seen it in the first place. —> I read all the posts, but I don’t study them, so I may miss something along the way. But again, if you don’t care to repeat it, I’m not going to go looking for it. If it doesn’t matter to you, it surely doesn’t matter to me. LOL

By this point having read many of your posts I have the answer anyway —> Then I’m glad you’re happy. Stupid, but happy. LOL

Yes sir you fit right in with the Romney camp. —> I’ll take Romney over RIP any day. LOL

Your mother know you’re online this late at night? —> My mother is dead. If you took the time to actually read all posts instead of trying to rip other people’s posts down with only your own view in mind, you’d have seen it in the first place. LOL

Here’s a clue. You wan’t respect, try giving some. —> Who said I “wan’t” respect? I’m here to put out facts and logic. If you respect those, you’ll respect me. If you don’t, you won’t. Simple as that. LOL

I want to know, honestly. Has anyone here changed his opinion just a little bit from Tex2’s comments? Like, has anyone here even questioned some of their beliefs based on what the guy has to say?

Because from what I’m seeing, he spends all day every day commenting on this blog, and it would be real sad if all his efforts were for naught. I haven’t seen any indication that his efforts have met with any success, but I may be wrong, in which case he can keep commenting.

Otherwise, he’s just an annoyance calling for attention who pads out this comment section and prevents us from reading opinions that we care for.

Now, I don’t know if he’s getting paid to do this or not. I mean, the guy has to get by somehow, and either he’s an heir or something, or he has the most lenient job of all time, or he’s being paid by someone to troll this forum.

It doesn’t really matter from an ideological standpoint. Whatever your arguments are, they will be discussed based on their merit (which many here would argue is not all that much) rather than their intent. But if you ARE getting paid, you should at least have the decency to tell your boss that he’s not getting his money’s worth.

He looks as gay as the day is long, not that there’s anything wrong with that! LOL

What I am here for are the hundreds to thousands of people who scan this site and never leaves a comment for every individual who does comment. LOL

Like, has anyone here even questioned some of their beliefs based on what the guy has to say? —> Like, gnarly dude. LOL Of course you haven’t questioned your RIP beliefs, or your heads would explode. Like. LOL Questioning beliefs is what the rest of us do, using facts, logic, and experience. LOL We constantly question our beliefs based on new information, and if we need to adjust, we don’t have a problem doing so. LOL It’s called critical thinking. LOL

Because from what I’m seeing, he spends all day every day commenting on this blog, and it would be real sad if all his efforts were for naught. —> Why would that be sad? LOL Would it also be sad if all the RIPtilians gave a lot of money to RIP and his presidential campaign crashed and burned for a third time? LOL

I haven’t seen any indication that his efforts have met with any success, but I may be wrong, in which case he can keep commenting. —> Don’t worry, I will. LOL

Otherwise, he’s just an annoyance calling for attention who pads out this comment section and prevents us from reading opinions that we care for. —> Why do you care so much about people who agree with you? LOL What do you learn from that? LOL

Now, I don’t know if he’s getting paid to do this or not. —> You don’t know much else, either. LOL

I mean, the guy has to get by somehow, and either he’s an heir or something, or he has the most lenient job of all time, or he’s being paid by someone to troll this forum. —> Is there a fourth possibility? LOL

It doesn’t really matter from an ideological standpoint. —> Of course it matters. LOL

Whatever your arguments are, they will be discussed based on their merit (which many here would argue is not all that much) rather than their intent. —> Both are important. LOL

But if you ARE getting paid, you should at least have the decency to tell your boss that he’s not getting his money’s worth. —> Why would I do THAT? LOL

Yeah, I’m sure there’s a bunch of non-commenters who look at this comment section and think “Man, look at that obnoxious a-hole lolling at everything and replying to every comment regardless of subject, he’s really giving it to them. I’m convinced now to not support Ron Paul”.

Of course I care about the opinions of people who disagree with me, but I have a hard time taking them seriously when the guy obviously thinks he’s better than everyone else and “laughs out loud” at every other sentence. And it’s not like you’re bringing anything new to the table. If I need to hear the type of stuff you spout, I can do a search for “Bill O’Reilly” on youtube.

You’ve made your opinion know. We respectfully disagree. Now please let the other kids play, huh?

Yeah, I’m sure there’s a bunch of non-commenters who look at this comment section and think “Man, look at that obnoxious a-hole lolling at everything and replying to every comment regardless of subject, he’s really giving it to them. I’m convinced now to not support Ron Paul”. —> Actually, what they are doing is clicking on YOUR name and finding the filthy site you run, then they are looking at all of the hate and vitriol from all of the RIPtilians and coming to that conclusion. Plus, they are looking at all of the very serious and very significant issues I have brought up and they agree with me. LOL

Of course I care about the opinions of people who disagree with me, but I have a hard time taking them seriously when the guy obviously thinks he’s better than everyone else and “laughs out loud” at every other sentence. And it’s not like you’re bringing anything new to the table. If I need to hear the type of stuff you spout, I can do a search for “Bill O’Reilly” on youtube. —> LOL

BAN *tex2* from this site IMMEDIATELY — Never allow IT to post here again! ALSO, DO NOT RESPOND TO ANY OF ITS TROLLING !

Dear, Doug — this is your HOME page, and all of us posting here are your guests. Don’t know about your tolerance level, but mine ends when an unwelcome guest tries to set my home on fire, in order to chase out all the welcomed people I’ve invited!

No normal exchange can be held here — since the #2 quickly fills in all REPLY slots….so no-one else can respond sequentially to what was stated before. This is its main goal (secondary is its spittings of hatred to all that’s good)!

The #2′s strategy is simply hitting the REPLY button (posting some vitriol), then another REPLY button — thus VIRTUALLY HIJACKING any thread from allowing others to directly respond to the original post.

PUT a STOP to IT — send Doug the needed message/program to BAN/BLOCK this Shill from his blog!

Of course I won’t use here the language or humor I use around my friends because I know such a thing as “respect”, and I know that a lot of people who visit this site are traditional folks who wouldn’t appreciate me swearing and telling dirty jokes just for the sake of being “outrageous”. There are appropirate places for that kind of thing.

And, of course, if I was ashamed of the “real” me, I probably wouldn’t link my blog in the first place. So yeah, you can click on my name, but be advised that it is a raunchy humor blog. It’s not porn or anything, so it’s SFW.

How to train the #2 like Pavlov’s dog — NEVER respond to IT, just repost the topic again (thus ignoring ITS existence).

Surfisher says:
April 17, 2012 at 2:27 pm

BAN *tex2* from this site IMMEDIATELY — Never allow IT to post here again! ALSO, DO NOT RESPOND TO ANY OF ITS TROLLING !

Dear, Doug — this is your HOME page, and all of us posting here are your guests. Don’t know about your tolerance level, but mine ends when an unwelcome guest tries to set my home on fire, in order to chase out all the welcomed people I’ve invited!

No normal exchange can be held here — since the #2 quickly fills in all REPLY slots….so no-one else can respond sequentially to what was stated before. This is its main goal (secondary is its spittings of hatred to all that’s good)!

The #2′s strategy is simply hitting the REPLY button (posting some vitriol), then another REPLY button — thus VIRTUALLY HIJACKING any thread from allowing others to directly respond to the original post.

PUT a STOP to IT — send Doug the needed message/program to BAN/BLOCK this Shill from his blog!

Vote YES to BAN the “tex2″ creature — your votes will be counted, and submitted to Doug!

Our Future, as a Free and Prosperous Nation is too precious to ALLOW any Troll, such as the #2 that POLLUTES this Forum — by its hijacking of all threads, hitting the REPLY button on all posts, thus VIRTUALLY STOPPING ALL CONVERSATION— to confiscate this Forum away from us (where Real Americans are trying to converse on what’s best for the US)!

How can we have confidence that you are capable of managing Ron Paul’s campaign, when you are unable to manage your own blog?

On any other Forum the destructive manipulations of “tex2″ would have been removed by a moderator, and the creature banned (regardless how many IP’s it uses, there are programs that can track and block them).

On this, and even OTHER forums, I’ve read people saying that while they read your blog, they won’t post on it — since they don’t want to be verbally abused by the #2. Their take is: Why bother posting or replying here — the #2 is going to hijack the thread by peppering it with insults and non-sensical multi-replies…. In the last 30 days, IT has posted more times than the combined total of all other posters (also, ITS total word count exceeds that of the rest)!

Many good people are leaving your forum because of the above. Unless you take care of it, why should we stay?

I think it’s unfair to accuse Doug Wead of being a bad manager based on this blog, after all, he has priorities, and if he’s prioritizing the campaign instead of a relative frivolity , then I sleep easier. I’d be worried if he spent too much time on here. But it would be nice of him to heed the call and ban the guy. It couldn’t take too much of his time. Maybe he can pay an intern to do it.

We have great confidence that you are capable of managing Ron Paul’s campaign, and you are able to manage your own blog. LOL

On any other Forum the informing issues “tex2″ has brought up would have been praised by a moderator, and the new ideas debated (regardless how many people may disagree, there are ideas that can change and become more developed). LOL

On this, and even OTHER forums, I’ve read people saying that while they read your blog, they think tex2 should be able to post on it — since they don’t want to be confined to one string of thought. Their take is: Why not post or reply here — the tex2 is going to make the thread more interesting by peppering it with new perspectives and different ideas…. In the last 30 days, tex2 has posted more times than the combined total of all other posters (also, tex2 total word count exceeds that of the rest), making this a very informative forum! LOL

There are zero good people are leaving your forum because of the above. We hope you continue to take care of it, why shouldn’t we stay? LOL

How can we have confidence that you are capable of managing Ron Paul’s campaign, when you are unable to manage your own blog?

On any other Forum the destructive manipulations of “tex2″ would have been removed by a moderator, and the creature banned (regardless how many IP’s it uses, there are programs that can track and block them).

On this, and even OTHER forums, I’ve read people saying that while they read your blog, they won’t post on it — since they don’t want to be verbally abused by the #2. Their take is: Why bother posting or replying here — the #2 is going to hijack the thread by peppering it with insults and non-sensical multi-replies…. In the last 30 days, IT has posted more times than the combined total of all other posters (also, ITS total word count exceeds that of the rest)!

Many good people are leaving your forum because of the above. Unless you take care of it, why should we stay?

Vote YES to BAN the “tex2″ creature — your votes will be counted, and submitted to Doug!

Our Future, as a Free and Prosperous Nation is too precious to ALLOW any Troll, such as the #2 that POLLUTES this Forum — by its hijacking of all threads, hitting the REPLY button on all posts, thus VIRTUALLY STOPPING ALL CONVERSATION— to confiscate this Forum away from us (where Real Americans are trying to converse on what’s best for the US)!

How can we have confidence that you are capable of managing Ron Paul’s campaign, when you are unable to manage your own blog?

On any other Forum the destructive manipulations of “tex2″ would have been removed by a moderator, and the creature banned (regardless how many IP’s it uses, there are programs that can track and block them).

On this, and even OTHER forums, I’ve read people saying that while they read your blog, they won’t post on it — since they don’t want to be verbally abused by the #2. Their take is: Why bother posting or replying here — the #2 is going to hijack the thread by peppering it with insults and non-sensical multi-replies….

In the last 30 days, IT has posted more times than the combined total of all other posters (also, ITS total word count exceeds that of the rest)!

Many good people are leaving your forum because of the above. Unless you take care of it, why should we stay?

Are you paying attention to the people voting to BAN this waste-of-protoplasm?!

How can we have confidence that you are capable of managing Ron Paul’s campaign, when you are unable to manage your own blog?

On any other Forum the destructive manipulations of “tex2″ would have been removed by a moderator, and the creature banned (regardless how many IP’s it uses, there are programs that can track and block them).

On this, and even OTHER forums, I’ve read people saying that while they read your blog, they won’t post on it — since they don’t want to be verbally abused by the #2. Their take is: Why bother posting or replying here — the #2 is going to hijack the thread by peppering it with insults and non-sensical multi-replies….

In the last 30 days, IT has posted more times than the combined total of all other posters (also, ITS total word count exceeds that of the rest)!

Many good people are leaving your forum because of the above. Unless you take care of it, why should we stay?

Are you paying attention to the people voting to BAN this waste-of-protoplasm?!

How can we have confidence that you are capable of managing Ron Paul’s campaign, when you are unable to manage your own blog?

On any other Forum the destructive manipulations of “tex2″ would have been removed by a moderator, and the creature banned (regardless how many IP’s it uses, there are programs that can track and block them).

On this, and even OTHER forums, I’ve read people saying that while they read your blog, they won’t post on it — since they don’t want to be verbally abused by the #2. Their take is: Why bother posting or replying here — the #2 is going to hijack the thread by peppering it with insults and non-sensical multi-replies….

In the last 30 days, IT has posted more times than the combined total of all other posters (also, ITS total word count exceeds that of the rest)!

Many good people are leaving your forum because of the above. Unless you take care of it, why should we stay?

Are you paying attention to the people voting to BAN this waste-of-protoplasm?!

How can we have confidence that you are capable of managing Ron Paul’s campaign, when you are unable to manage your own blog?

On any other Forum the destructive manipulations of “tex2″ would have been removed by a moderator, and the creature banned (regardless how many IP’s it uses, there are programs that can track and block them).

On this, and even OTHER forums, I’ve read people saying that while they read your blog, they won’t post on it — since they don’t want to be verbally abused by the #2. Their take is: Why bother posting or replying here — the #2 is going to hijack the thread by peppering it with insults and non-sensical multi-replies….

In the last 30 days, IT has posted more times than the combined total of all other posters (also, ITS total word count exceeds that of the rest)!

Many good people are leaving your forum because of the above. Unless you take care of it, why should we stay?

Are you paying attention to the people voting to BAN this waste-of-protoplasm?!

Doug Wead, all the people above are too chicken to make a simple phone call. Are these really the type of people you want associated with you? LOL

Dear Sir,

We have great confidence that you are capable of managing Ron Paul’s campaign, and you are able to manage your own blog. LOL

On any other Forum the informing issues “tex2″ has brought up would have been praised by a moderator, and the new ideas debated (regardless how many people may disagree, there are ideas that can change and become more developed). LOL

On this, and even OTHER forums, I’ve read people saying that while they read your blog, they think tex2 should be able to post on it — since they don’t want to be confined to one string of thought. Their take is: Why not post or reply here — the tex2 is going to make the thread more interesting by peppering it with new perspectives and different ideas…. In the last 30 days, tex2 has posted more times than the combined total of all other posters (also, tex2 total word count exceeds that of the rest), making this a very informative forum! LOL

There are zero good people are leaving your forum because of the above. We hope you continue to take care of it, why shouldn’t we stay? LOL

How can we have confidence that you are capable of managing Ron Paul’s campaign, when you are unable to manage your own blog?

On any other Forum the destructive manipulations of “tex2″ would have been removed by a moderator, and the creature banned (regardless how many IP’s it uses, there are programs that can track and block them).

On this, and even OTHER forums, I’ve read people saying that while they read your blog, they won’t post on it — since they don’t want to be verbally abused by the #2. Their take is: Why bother posting or replying here — the #2 is going to hijack the thread by peppering it with insults and non-sensical multi-replies….

In the last 30 days, IT has posted more times than the combined total of all other posters (also, ITS total word count exceeds that of the rest)!

Many good people are leaving your forum because of the above. Unless you take care of it, why should we stay?

Are you paying attention to the people voting to BAN this waste-of-protoplasm?!

How can we have confidence that you are capable of managing Ron Paul’s campaign, when you are unable to manage your own blog?

On any other Forum the destructive manipulations of “tex2″ would have been removed by a moderator, and the creature banned (regardless how many IP’s it uses, there are programs that can track and block them).

On this, and even OTHER forums, I’ve read people saying that while they read your blog, they won’t post on it — since they don’t want to be verbally abused by the #2. Their take is: Why bother posting or replying here — the #2 is going to hijack the thread by peppering it with insults and non-sensical multi-replies….

In the last 30 days, IT has posted more times than the combined total of all other posters (also, ITS total word count exceeds that of the rest)!

Many good people are leaving your forum because of the above. Unless you take care of it, why should we stay?

Are you paying attention to the people voting to BAN this waste-of-protoplasm?!

By the by, I don’t think he’s managing RIP’s campaign, he’s just an adviser. Doug’s too smart to manage a disaster, it would then be on his resume, just like the list of above names. LOL (woof/lift leg & spray)

How can we have confidence that you are capable of managing Ron Paul’s campaign, when you are unable to manage your own blog?

On any other Forum the destructive manipulations of “tex2″ would have been removed by a moderator, and the creature banned (regardless how many IP’s it uses, there are programs that can track and block them).

On this, and even OTHER forums, I’ve read people saying that while they read your blog, they won’t post on it — since they don’t want to be verbally abused by the #2. Their take is: Why bother posting or replying here — the #2 is going to hijack the thread by peppering it with insults and non-sensical multi-replies….

In the last 30 days, IT has posted more times than the combined total of all other posters (also, ITS total word count exceeds that of the rest)!

Many good people are leaving your forum because of the above. Unless you take care of it, why should we stay?

Are you paying attention to the people voting to BAN this waste-of-protoplasm?!

The Passion of the Christ is a good movie, but I don’t know if I want to watch it THAT many times in a row, so let’s take a break from this repetitious “program” and allow other readers to comment on the below serious and real issues that result in baggage for Ron Paul. Tell me what you think, let’s have open and honest discourse, and since I’m a First Amendment kind of guy, even the “list” above is welcome to chime in:

Why Ron Paul would NOT be a good president:
1. He is old, mousey, whiny, grumpy, skinny, etc. Do not underestimate the importance of these factors, as a very large number of voters are not familiar with the issues, and vote for vanity. Sad but true. It does no good to have good ideas when you don’t have the presidential image, and Ron has neither.
2. He has been in Congress for 2 decades and doesn’t have a single bill to his name. We elected someone president with zero accomplishments in 2008, why would we want to do that again? How can you expect him to be able to lead the country when he can’t lead a single bill to fruition after 20 years?
3. He even voted against his own bill to audit the Federal Reserve, because he didn’t get every single detail he wanted. He is so stubbornly rigid he simply takes his toys and goes home if he doesn’t get every little detail he wants.
4. Many of his domestic policies are admirable, but how does he expect to implement them when he will have to work with Congress to get many of them turned into a reality? Will he simply hold his breath until Congress lets him get his way, because he has zero track record of using any other tactic to be successful?
5. Most of his foreign policies are dangerous. If we pull out of foreign countries, the vacuum WILL be filled by Russia, China, etc. Once you lose your toehold, it is VERY difficult to expand military operations if the need arises. Think about how hard it would have been for the U.S. to fight Hitler if England had fallen. For example, if China decides they don’t want to allow free flow of oil, we would have no recourse, as it takes years, if not decades, to develop independent energy sources. He is simply naive to the point of being a traitor to his own country. Also, we need forward positioned military presence to fight the global war on terror. It isn’t being fought only in Iraq and Afghanistan, there are operations literally around the world preventing future 9/11 type attacks that simply cannot be fought by guarding our own borders, 9/11 should have taught us that. We must therefore disrupt the terrorist cells wherever they are, so they cannot organize, plan, recruit, train, equip, and attack again. To not do this would be suicidal.
For the above and other reasons, Ron gets the pot smoking and “freedom at any cost” crowd, and that’s all he will ever get…LOL

BAN *tex2* from this site IMMEDIATELY — Never allow IT to post here again! ALSO, DO NOT RESPOND TO ANY OF ITS TROLLING !

Dear, Doug — this is your HOME page, and all of us posting here are your guests. Don’t know about your tolerance level, but mine ends when an unwelcome guest tries to set my home on fire, in order to chase out all the welcomed people I’ve invited!

No normal exchange can be held here — since the #2 quickly fills in all REPLY slots….so no-one else can respond sequentially to what was stated before. This is its main goal (secondary is its spittings of hatred to all that’s good)!

The #2′s strategy is simply hitting the REPLY button (posting some vitriol), then another REPLY button — thus VIRTUALLY HIJACKING any thread from allowing others to directly respond to the original post.

PUT a STOP to IT — send Doug the needed message/program to BAN/BLOCK this Shill from his blog!

Why don’t you respond to my legitimate issues? If you think I am being harsh, just wait until RIP or the next Libertarian candidate comes along an gets some traction, my “grilling” will look like a picnic. LOL (woof)

How can we have confidence that you are capable of managing Ron Paul’s campaign, when you are unable to manage your own blog?

On any other Forum the destructive manipulations of “tex2″ would have been removed by a moderator, and the creature banned (regardless how many IP’s it uses, there are programs that can track and block them).

On this, and even OTHER forums, I’ve read people saying that while they read your blog, they won’t post on it — since they don’t want to be verbally abused by the #2. Their take is: Why bother posting or replying here — the #2 is going to hijack the thread by peppering it with insults and non-sensical multi-replies….

In the last 30 days, IT has posted more times than the combined total of all other posters (also, ITS total word count exceeds that of the rest)!

Many good people are leaving your forum because of the above. Unless you take care of it, why should we stay?

Are you paying attention to the people voting to BAN this waste-of-protoplasm?!

Having served in Iraq twice in my life and lost a son as well as many friends, it has become clear to me that we are involved in senseless wars led by people that have never gone themselves, nor would send their sons. We are broke and can’t afford it either.

I am anti war. You are pro war.
It is no point arguing about our differing stance on that issue.
LoL all you want, I m sure you never served nor lost any loved one.

Ron Paul is the only anti war candidate. On this alone I vote for him and that answers all your 1) 2) 3) 4) 5).

While I appreciate your service and that of others, your perspective is one of many reasons why the cliche “war is hell” is much more than a cliche. Your losses are very real, but not in vain. There are others who believe the wars are necessary, and even today many join the military for this reason.

Iraq and Iran were, and still are, very dangerous places to our national security, although much less so than just a few years ago.

What we can afford even less is weekly 9/11 style attacks. Think about the impact of THAT.

I am pro survival. If that means war, so be it. Therefore, you are wrong about me being pro war, so if you don’t want to discuss it any further, that’s up to you, not me.

I did serve, but I don’t think that entitles me to totally discount other points of view. While I’ve never lost a relative or friend, I knew someone who came back from the First Gulf War pretty messed up and ended up getting a divorce, so I’m not clueless. I also pay attention to the death counts, physical injuries, PTSD, and suicide issues, so it’s not as if I don’t care at all.

RIP’s anti war stance would result in 9/11 style attacks mentioned above, and that is unacceptable.

While I withheld my normal “LOLs” out of respect for your service and those you know, don’t take it as a sign I feel less strongly about my statements with you compared to others on this blog, because I don’t.

The #2 is a Forum parasite — it only disrupts normal conversation since it hijacks all threads! It is a Shill, or IT could very well be a 300+lb, pimply shut-in, that lives in mum’s basement getting maternal sponge-baths since it is too massive to crawl to the bathroom upstairs — with its total life consisting of trolling only (spitting out hatred to all that is good)!

Until BANNED — BEST to IGNORE this Waste-of-Protoplasm, and NEVER respond to IT!

Why Ron Paul would NOT be a good president:
1. He is old, mousey, whiny, grumpy, skinny, etc. Do not underestimate the importance of these factors, as a very large number of voters are not familiar with the issues, and vote for vanity. Sad but true. It does no good to have good ideas when you don’t have the presidential image, and Ron has neither.
2. He has been in Congress for 2 decades and doesn’t have a single bill to his name. We elected someone president with zero accomplishments in 2008, why would we want to do that again? How can you expect him to be able to lead the country when he can’t lead a single bill to fruition after 20 years?
3. He even voted against his own bill to audit the Federal Reserve, because he didn’t get every single detail he wanted. He is so stubbornly rigid he simply takes his toys and goes home if he doesn’t get every little detail he wants.
4. Many of his domestic policies are admirable, but how does he expect to implement them when he will have to work with Congress to get many of them turned into a reality? Will he simply hold his breath until Congress lets him get his way, because he has zero track record of using any other tactic to be successful?
5. Most of his foreign policies are dangerous. If we pull out of foreign countries, the vacuum WILL be filled by Russia, China, etc. Once you lose your toehold, it is VERY difficult to expand military operations if the need arises. Think about how hard it would have been for the U.S. to fight Hitler if England had fallen. For example, if China decides they don’t want to allow free flow of oil, we would have no recourse, as it takes years, if not decades, to develop independent energy sources. He is simply naive to the point of being a traitor to his own country. Also, we need forward positioned military presence to fight the global war on terror. It isn’t being fought only in Iraq and Afghanistan, there are operations literally around the world preventing future 9/11 type attacks that simply cannot be fought by guarding our own borders, 9/11 should have taught us that. We must therefore disrupt the terrorist cells wherever they are, so they cannot organize, plan, recruit, train, equip, and attack again. To not do this would be suicidal.
For the above and other reasons, Ron gets the pot smoking and “freedom at any cost” crowd, and that’s all he will ever get…LOL

Vote YES to BAN the “tex2″ creature — your votes will be counted, and submitted to Doug!

Our Future, as a Free and Prosperous Nation is too precious to ALLOW any Troll, such as the #2 that POLLUTES this Forum — by its hijacking of all threads, hitting the REPLY button on all posts, thus VIRTUALLY STOPPING ALL CONVERSATION— to confiscate this Forum away from us (where Real Americans are trying to converse on what’s best for the US)!

Why Ron Paul would NOT be a good president:
1. He is old, mousey, whiny, grumpy, skinny, etc. Do not underestimate the importance of these factors, as a very large number of voters are not familiar with the issues, and vote for vanity. Sad but true. It does no good to have good ideas when you don’t have the presidential image, and Ron has neither.
2. He has been in Congress for 2 decades and doesn’t have a single bill to his name. We elected someone president with zero accomplishments in 2008, why would we want to do that again? How can you expect him to be able to lead the country when he can’t lead a single bill to fruition after 20 years?
3. He even voted against his own bill to audit the Federal Reserve, because he didn’t get every single detail he wanted. He is so stubbornly rigid he simply takes his toys and goes home if he doesn’t get every little detail he wants.
4. Many of his domestic policies are admirable, but how does he expect to implement them when he will have to work with Congress to get many of them turned into a reality? Will he simply hold his breath until Congress lets him get his way, because he has zero track record of using any other tactic to be successful?
5. Most of his foreign policies are dangerous. If we pull out of foreign countries, the vacuum WILL be filled by Russia, China, etc. Once you lose your toehold, it is VERY difficult to expand military operations if the need arises. Think about how hard it would have been for the U.S. to fight Hitler if England had fallen. For example, if China decides they don’t want to allow free flow of oil, we would have no recourse, as it takes years, if not decades, to develop independent energy sources. He is simply naive to the point of being a traitor to his own country. Also, we need forward positioned military presence to fight the global war on terror. It isn’t being fought only in Iraq and Afghanistan, there are operations literally around the world preventing future 9/11 type attacks that simply cannot be fought by guarding our own borders, 9/11 should have taught us that. We must therefore disrupt the terrorist cells wherever they are, so they cannot organize, plan, recruit, train, equip, and attack again. To not do this would be suicidal.
For the above and other reasons, Ron gets the pot smoking and “freedom at any cost” crowd, and that’s all he will ever get…LOL

How can we have confidence that you are capable of managing Ron Paul’s campaign, when you are unable to manage your own blog?

On any other Forum the destructive manipulations of “tex2″ would have been removed by a moderator, and the creature banned (regardless how many IP’s it uses, there are programs that can track and block them).

On this, and even OTHER forums, I’ve read people saying that while they read your blog, they won’t post on it — since they don’t want to be verbally abused by the #2. Their take is: Why bother posting or replying here — the #2 is going to hijack the thread by peppering it with insults and non-sensical multi-replies….

In the last 30 days, IT has posted more times than the combined total of all other posters (also, ITS total word count exceeds that of the rest)!

Many good people are leaving your forum because of the above. Unless you take care of it, why should we stay?

Are you paying attention to the people voting to BAN this waste-of-protoplasm?!

The Passion of the Christ is a good movie, but I don’t know if I want to watch it THAT many times in a row, so let’s take a break from this repetitious “program” and allow other readers to comment on the below serious and real issues that result in baggage for Ron Paul. Tell me what you think, let’s have open and honest discourse, and since I’m a First Amendment kind of guy, even the “list” above is welcome to chime in:

Why Ron Paul would NOT be a good president:
1. He is old, mousey, whiny, grumpy, skinny, etc. Do not underestimate the importance of these factors, as a very large number of voters are not familiar with the issues, and vote for vanity. Sad but true. It does no good to have good ideas when you don’t have the presidential image, and Ron has neither.
2. He has been in Congress for 2 decades and doesn’t have a single bill to his name. We elected someone president with zero accomplishments in 2008, why would we want to do that again? How can you expect him to be able to lead the country when he can’t lead a single bill to fruition after 20 years?
3. He even voted against his own bill to audit the Federal Reserve, because he didn’t get every single detail he wanted. He is so stubbornly rigid he simply takes his toys and goes home if he doesn’t get every little detail he wants.
4. Many of his domestic policies are admirable, but how does he expect to implement them when he will have to work with Congress to get many of them turned into a reality? Will he simply hold his breath until Congress lets him get his way, because he has zero track record of using any other tactic to be successful?
5. Most of his foreign policies are dangerous. If we pull out of foreign countries, the vacuum WILL be filled by Russia, China, etc. Once you lose your toehold, it is VERY difficult to expand military operations if the need arises. Think about how hard it would have been for the U.S. to fight Hitler if England had fallen. For example, if China decides they don’t want to allow free flow of oil, we would have no recourse, as it takes years, if not decades, to develop independent energy sources. He is simply naive to the point of being a traitor to his own country. Also, we need forward positioned military presence to fight the global war on terror. It isn’t being fought only in Iraq and Afghanistan, there are operations literally around the world preventing future 9/11 type attacks that simply cannot be fought by guarding our own borders, 9/11 should have taught us that. We must therefore disrupt the terrorist cells wherever they are, so they cannot organize, plan, recruit, train, equip, and attack again. To not do this would be suicidal.
For the above and other reasons, Ron gets the pot smoking and “freedom at any cost” crowd, and that’s all he will ever get…LOL!

BAN *tex2* from this site IMMEDIATELY — Never allow IT to post here again! ALSO, DO NOT RESPOND TO ANY OF ITS TROLLING !

Dear, Doug — this is your HOME page, and all of us posting here are your guests. Don’t know about your tolerance level, but mine ends when an unwelcome guest tries to set my home on fire, in order to chase out all the welcomed people I’ve invited!

No normal exchange can be held here — since the #2 quickly fills in all REPLY slots….so no-one else can respond sequentially to what was stated before. This is its main goal (secondary is its spittings of hatred to all that’s good)!

The #2′s strategy is simply hitting the REPLY button (posting some vitriol), then another REPLY button — thus VIRTUALLY HIJACKING any thread from allowing others to directly respond to the original post.

PUT a STOP to IT — send Doug the needed message/program to BAN/BLOCK this Shill from his blog!

The Passion of the Christ is a good movie, but I don’t know if I want to watch it THAT many times in a row, so let’s take a break from this repetitious “program” and allow other readers to comment on the below serious and real issues that result in baggage for Ron Paul. Tell me what you think, let’s have open and honest discourse, and since I’m a First Amendment kind of guy, even the “list” above is welcome to chime in:

Why Ron Paul would NOT be a good president:
1. He is old, mousey, whiny, grumpy, skinny, etc. Do not underestimate the importance of these factors, as a very large number of voters are not familiar with the issues, and vote for vanity. Sad but true. It does no good to have good ideas when you don’t have the presidential image, and Ron has neither.
2. He has been in Congress for 2 decades and doesn’t have a single bill to his name. We elected someone president with zero accomplishments in 2008, why would we want to do that again? How can you expect him to be able to lead the country when he can’t lead a single bill to fruition after 20 years?
3. He even voted against his own bill to audit the Federal Reserve, because he didn’t get every single detail he wanted. He is so stubbornly rigid he simply takes his toys and goes home if he doesn’t get every little detail he wants.
4. Many of his domestic policies are admirable, but how does he expect to implement them when he will have to work with Congress to get many of them turned into a reality? Will he simply hold his breath until Congress lets him get his way, because he has zero track record of using any other tactic to be successful?
5. Most of his foreign policies are dangerous. If we pull out of foreign countries, the vacuum WILL be filled by Russia, China, etc. Once you lose your toehold, it is VERY difficult to expand military operations if the need arises. Think about how hard it would have been for the U.S. to fight Hitler if England had fallen. For example, if China decides they don’t want to allow free flow of oil, we would have no recourse, as it takes years, if not decades, to develop independent energy sources. He is simply naive to the point of being a traitor to his own country. Also, we need forward positioned military presence to fight the global war on terror. It isn’t being fought only in Iraq and Afghanistan, there are operations literally around the world preventing future 9/11 type attacks that simply cannot be fought by guarding our own borders, 9/11 should have taught us that. We must therefore disrupt the terrorist cells wherever they are, so they cannot organize, plan, recruit, train, equip, and attack again. To not do this would be suicidal.
For the above and other reasons, Ron gets the pot smoking and “freedom at any cost” crowd, and that’s all he will ever get…LOL!!

also:
The #2 is a paid shill to troll and disrupt this forum with its spewing of hatred. So real Americans can’t converse here without IT hijacking all threads. That’s why this subhuman needs to be banned. One NEVER responds to IT — its existence is to be ignored.

The Passion of the Christ is a good movie, but I don’t know if I want to watch it THAT many times in a row, so let’s take a break from this repetitious “program” and allow other readers to comment on the below serious and real issues that result in baggage for Ron Paul. Tell me what you think, let’s have open and honest discourse, and since I’m a First Amendment kind of guy, even the “list” above is welcome to chime in:

Why Ron Paul would NOT be a good president:
1. He is old, mousey, whiny, grumpy, skinny, etc. Do not underestimate the importance of these factors, as a very large number of voters are not familiar with the issues, and vote for vanity. Sad but true. It does no good to have good ideas when you don’t have the presidential image, and Ron has neither.
2. He has been in Congress for 2 decades and doesn’t have a single bill to his name. We elected someone president with zero accomplishments in 2008, why would we want to do that again? How can you expect him to be able to lead the country when he can’t lead a single bill to fruition after 20 years?
3. He even voted against his own bill to audit the Federal Reserve, because he didn’t get every single detail he wanted. He is so stubbornly rigid he simply takes his toys and goes home if he doesn’t get every little detail he wants.
4. Many of his domestic policies are admirable, but how does he expect to implement them when he will have to work with Congress to get many of them turned into a reality? Will he simply hold his breath until Congress lets him get his way, because he has zero track record of using any other tactic to be successful??
5. Most of his foreign policies are dangerous. If we pull out of foreign countries, the vacuum WILL be filled by Russia, China, etc. Once you lose your toehold, it is VERY difficult to expand military operations if the need arises. Think about how hard it would have been for the U.S. to fight Hitler if England had fallen. For example, if China decides they don’t want to allow free flow of oil, we would have no recourse, as it takes years, if not decades, to develop independent energy sources. He is simply naive to the point of being a traitor to his own country. Also, we need forward positioned military presence to fight the global war on terror. It isn’t being fought only in Iraq and Afghanistan, there are operations literally around the world preventing future 9/11 type attacks that simply cannot be fought by guarding our own borders, 9/11 should have taught us that. We must therefore disrupt the terrorist cells wherever they are, so they cannot organize, plan, recruit, train, equip, and attack again. To not do this would be suicidal.
For the above and other reasons, Ron gets the pot smoking and “freedom at any cost” crowd, and that’s all he will ever get…LOL!

also:
The #2 is a paid shill to troll and disrupt this forum with its spewing of hatred. So real Americans can’t converse here without IT hijacking all threads. That’s why this subhuman needs to be banned. One NEVER responds to IT — its existence is to be ignored.

BAN *tex2* from this site IMMEDIATELY — Never allow IT to post here again! ALSO, DO NOT RESPOND TO ANY OF ITS TROLLING !

Dear, Doug — this is your HOME page, and all of us posting here are your guests. Don’t know about your tolerance level, but mine ends when an unwelcome guest tries to set my home on fire, in order to chase out all the welcomed people I’ve invited!

No normal exchange can be held here — since the #2 quickly fills in all REPLY slots….so no-one else can respond sequentially to what was stated before. This is its main goal (secondary is its spittings of hatred to all that’s good)!

The Passion of the Christ is a good movie, but I don’t know if I want to watch it THAT many times in a row, so let’s take a break from this repetitious “program” and allow other readers to comment on the below serious and real issues that result in baggage for Ron Paul. Tell me what you think, let’s have open and honest discourse, and since I’m a First Amendment kind of guy, even the “list” above is welcome to chime in:

Why Ron Paul could be and/or would NOT be a good president:
1. He is old, mousey, whiny, grumpy, skinny, etc. Do not underestimate the importance of these factors, as a very large number of voters are not familiar with the issues, and vote for vanity. Sad but true. It does no good to have good ideas when you don’t have the presidential image, and Ron has neither.
2. He has been in Congress for 2 decades and doesn’t have a single bill to his name. We elected someone president with zero accomplishments in 2008, why would we want to do that again? How can you expect him to be able to lead the country when he can’t lead a single bill to fruition after 20 years?
3. He even voted against his own bill to audit the Federal Reserve, because he didn’t get every single detail he wanted. He is so stubbornly rigid he simply takes his toys and goes home if he doesn’t get every little detail he wants.
4. Many of his domestic policies are admirable, but how does he expect to implement them when he will have to work with Congress to get many of them turned into a reality? Will he simply hold his breath until Congress lets him get his way, because he has zero track record of using any other tactic to be successful?
5. Most of his foreign policies are dangerous. If we pull out of foreign countries, the vacuum WILL be filled by Russia, China, etc. Once you lose your toehold, it is VERY difficult to expand military operations if the need arises. Think about how hard it would have been for the U.S. to fight Hitler if England had fallen. For example, if China decides they don’t want to allow free flow of oil, we would have no recourse, as it takes years, if not decades, to develop independent energy sources. He is simply naive to the point of being a traitor to his own country. Also, we need forward positioned military presence to fight the global war on terror. It isn’t being fought only in Iraq and Afghanistan, there are operations literally around the world preventing future 9/11 type attacks that simply cannot be fought by guarding our own borders, 9/11 should have taught us that. We must therefore disrupt the terrorist cells wherever they are, so they cannot organize, plan, recruit, train, equip, and attack again. To not do this would be suicidal.
For the above and other reasons, Ron gets the pot smoking and “freedom at any cost” crowd, and that’s all he will ever get…LOL!!!

also:
The #2 is a paid shill to troll and disrupt this forum with its spewing of hatred. So real Americans can’t converse here without IT hijacking all threads. That’s why this subhuman needs to be banned. One NEVER responds to IT — its existence is to be ignored.

Mr. Doug, your humble blog seems to affect the way pundits view our hero’s bid for the presidency! lol. In spite of bizarre corruption everywhere, we still have a chance! In testimony before local party regulars last night, there was much eagerness to identify and neutralize people like me! It couldn’t have been very hard for them. There were so many of us! And a lot of them were candidates!

also:
The #2 is a paid shill to troll and disrupt this forum with its spewing of hatred. So real Americans can’t converse here without IT hijacking all threads. That’s why this subhuman needs to be banned. One NEVER responds to IT — its existence is to be ignored.

===> We don’t “mass murder civilians,” that is not only wrong, but stupid. It also appears the MSM, which you are generally fond of dismissing, is again wrong: http://w4.ub.uni-konstanz.de/srm/article/view/2373/3973 LOL
the source you’re trying to respond to here was during the clinton administration, the source you’ve responded with is talking about the 2003 invasion of Iraq and is not AT ALL related to my source. ===> The sanctions after the first Gulf War was an international effort to get Saddam to comply with the agreement as a result of Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait. It is very similar to what is going on right now in North Korea. There are 3 basic choices:

1. Do nothing, and allow these crazed dictators to do whatever they want, such as invading other countries, use WMD on their own people, develop nuclear weapons, etc.
2. Sanctions, which have to be international in scope to be effective, or
3. Go to war.
You can’t just freeze everything and nothing will happen, or assume there are only benefits and not downsides to any of the above choices. You have to actually grow up and understand there are positive and negative outcomes of virtually any decision. You can’t endlessly chant freedom, liberty, etc., and not have to confront reality, which consists of real situations and real choices that must be made. LOL

===> Actually, the term used was “untangling alliances with none,” or we couldn’t even trade. We sure appreciated the French to help us win the Revolutionary War, didn’t we? AGAIN, the world is much different now than it was in the 18th century, and I believe the Founding Fathers would slap you silly if they knew you were applying 18th century response to a 21st century situation. LOL By the way, China is not sitting as pretty as the MSM makes them out to be, they have very serious structural and economic issues, among others. LOL
=actually the term used was “entangling alliances,” and theres nothing against taking sides in an individual conflict, where you got that idea i have no idea, they put the qualifications for war into the constitution. ===> Yes, entangling, not untangling. LOL Once you take sides in an individual conflict, you have entered an entangling alliance, and a deadly one at that. LOL The point remains that the world is VERY different than it was in the 1700s, as the vast oceans that once allowed us significant security no longer do. LOL

What the term refers to is in times of peace, or in terms of alliances for life kind of thing, the founders were saying that we shouldn’t have alliances which would force us to defend another nation without there being a threat to america, that we should take every conflict on the individual merits as opposed to what we have now which is if Russia attacks some small EU nation, then all of the EU must respond, and due to our treaties and alliances, we must respond as well, we must spend our money and blood on something which does not directly impair or affect us. ===> With the advent of modern warfare, this policy only makes sense, and without alliances, the bad guys would take advantage of a pacifist policy. Just ask France and England before WWII. We need to LEARN from history in order to not repeat it. LOL

You can try to make the claim that it does because Russia is not as friendly toward us as the country invaded is, and thats because we’ve chosen to have stronger alliances with those nations and have allied against Russia in the past when it didn’t directly affect us, if we weren’t making entangling alliances in the past then we wouldn’t be entangled now, we choose our enemies everytime we grant a protected status. ===> If you don’t form alliances, then the bad guys do, and isolate all of the countries trying to be “nice” and “pacifist” until they roll right over you and your unaligned friends. Russia used to be the USSR, and I can assure you the USSR directly affected us throughout most of the 20th century, and not in a good way. When you see a known bully walk up to you and you know he’s a bully, do you let him hit you or do you defend yourself? I vote for defend myself. LOL

We use VERY little petroleum for electricity production, ABOUT 1% according to wiki. LOL
= still 1% in the right direction now down to 25% from OPEC and 12% from Persian Gulf ===> You missed the point. The point is you can’t use coal to replace and reduce our dependency on oil very much in order to make power and use electric cars (which is consistent with Barry’s central control of the economy, by the way, and therefore very anti-free market – LOL).

I said YOUR gas tank. It doesn’t do much good if you have to buy a new car, and don’t have the natural gas infrastructure (gas stations) to support it. LOL
= not that you would know, but no i do not, but several cities have NG busses and other gov’t vehicles, point is alternatives exist and short term disruptions would not bring down the nation in any significant manor ===> Most people don’t have a natural gas powered car, so it was a pretty easy bet. LOL Having some cities with their fleets using natural gas is nowhere NEAR the scale of infrastructure needed to support the general population. Also, people like to travel beyond their city limits, so the infrastructure needs to be built everywhere, a very expensive and time consuming issue. With natural gas prices down and oil up, I’m for it, but it’s not as easy as snapping your fingers and suddenly it’s a done deal anything that resembles “short term disruptions would not bring down the nation in any significant manor.” LOL By the way, it’s “manner,” not “manor.” LOL

.===> This is so stupid. Canada can’t just suddenly ramp up production to meet our needs, they have long term contracts with others, and it takes YEARS to develop new sources. LOL Plus, the transportation cost is already factored into the cost of petroleum products, and the reason the Middle East is so cheap is because it costs less to get it out of the ground, is high quality and therefore easier/cheaper to process, and transporting it is a minimal cost. LOL Oil/shale is NOT cheap to mine, the only reason it looks better now is because demand, primarily from China and India, has driven prices up. LOL You sound like you have all the answers that somehow the experts haven’t thought of, until we look at the facts. LOL
= no, you are making the stupid argument here… Oil demand is GLOBAL just like supply, you cannot RAMP UP demand the same way you cannot RAMP UP supply. ===> Of course you can ramp up demand. That’s a major factor in what causes prices to increase. LOL

If china forcefully re-routs Persian Gulf oil, then they no longer will be buying it from places like canada, or more correctly canada will no longer be selling them oil. ===> They may not get Canadian oil, but they could easily keep getting oil from other places more friendly to them, such as Venezuela and various African countries. LOL

Canada will never be complicit in some power-play against america, at least not concerning oil like this. ===> China probably doesn’t care that much about Canada’s long term supply, and has already factored that into their future needs.

Also, China cannot afford to buy its own oil and the oil we buy, it cannot corner the market such that we are shorted in any way, your argument is silly. ===> They don’t have to afford it if they take it and we are militarily impotent to prevent it from happening. Your argument is incredibly naive and simplistic. LOL

Dr. Paul was correct in saying that a 1945 dime can approximately buy a gallon of gas. The silver content of that dime can be traded for over 3$, im not going to bother to do the math for today but you can find the silver content and today’s spot price and you will find that within a few cents its true. ===> Point? LOL

If i need to explain the effect of the petrodollar, i will. ===> Please do. LOL
Crude oil today is roughly the same price(in oz of gold) as it was in 1950. The reason oil companies talk about the economical price of shale is because they’re taking advantage of different perspectives on the value of FRNs, oil and gold, all due to the petrodollar artificially raising the value of FRNs. if i need to go into greater detail i will. ===> Please do. LOL

ok well things make a little more sense now(not that i didn’t know this already, but its nice to have it confirmed), you don’t know anything about the things you talk about, at least beyond the surface drivel you’re fed by the media.
I guess step one is FIAT currency- yes money has been decoupled from gold, but that doesn’t mean gold doesn’t still have an actual value, it does just like every other ore and precious stone or metal or mineral. and they all have values relative to each other, even platinum, and i believe you’ll find platinum on that site as well as many other things a pointed example of what inflation and the FED have done to us see the USD to gold chart. Since they have relative values to each other with only minor changes in supply and demand, they provide an excellent ruler with which to measure wealth, thats why i noted that the 1945 silver dime still buys a gallon of gas, because when we made our money out of real stuff its value never went down in terms of what you could buy with it, what was 10cents 67 years ago is worth over 3 dollars today (thats 3000% increase minimum) and in both cases it bought a gallon of gas. and a barrel of oil cost as much gold today as it did in 1950. so the reason you would price things in gold instead of FRNs is because you are able to track actual growth and can track investments that will grow actual wealth rather than an increasing number of bills with decreasing value. Since we’ve begun to decouple from gold the federal reserve note has lost 98% of its value, and thats why you shouldn’t track your wealth in dollars
step two is the petrodollar, as a part of the deal that made the FRN the world reserve currecy it was mandated that all oil world-wide would be purchaced in in FRNs ONLY. what that means in the real world is that every nation on earth must purchace FRNs which artificially raises demand for FRNs when demand goes up the price goes up, so this means the value of the FRNs is artificially high as we speak. this has been a huge benefit to us over the last fifty years and has produced much of the prosperity in this county on the backs of the rest of the world(as they must purchase over-priced bills to buy the energy they need; a protection racket if ive ever seen one). The main issue is we’ve spent all that prosperity and the FRN has sunk to the levels at which global confidence in the reserve currency is failing. Asian nations are moving to begin to buy oil with gold, circumventing the normal financial channels. India has already worked deals with certain countries to begin buying oil in their local currency. The EU sanctions on Iran have caused them to work with these nations and sell their oil for currencies other than FRNs. As more and more countries abandon the petrodollar the bottom will fall out of the demand for FRNs and its value will return to its uninflated rate spelling the distruction of the American middle class and businesses which can’t get out of the way.

The way oil companies have profited off of this relationship and how its made shale viability a possibility when the value of oil hasn’t going up is hopefully more clear now as well(technology plays a part in shale as well though). They have a market in which the product they sell is more expensive for everyone else than it is for them, how much more is based on the difference between the perception of the value of the dollar(artificially high due to petrodollar demand), and the real values of the currencies the countries trade to get them. This however will be reversed when the dollar loses ten percent of its purchasing power and more closely represents its actual value, then our currency will buy less and less gold(it already does, but you’re reaching the point at which small moves become BIG moves; if you assume 2% inflation annually which is what the FED says is optimal… the difference between 2% of 10c per gallon of gas, and 2% of 4$ per gallon of gas should illustrate the point) which will someday likely be the requirement for oil.

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The #2 is a paid shill to troll and disrupt this forum with its spewing of hatred. So real Americans can’t converse here without IT hijacking all threads. That’s why this subhuman needs to be banned. One NEVER responds to IT — its existence is to be ignored.

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The #2 is a paid shill to troll and disrupt this forum with its spewing of hatred. So real Americans can’t converse here without IT hijacking all threads. That’s why this subhuman needs to be banned. One NEVER responds to IT — its existence is to be ignored.

The Passion of the Christ is a good movie, but I don’t know if I want to watch it THAT many times in a row, so let’s take a break from this repetitious “program” and allow other readers to comment on the below serious and real issues that result in baggage for Ron Paul. Tell me what you think, let’s have open and honest discourse, and since I’m a First Amendment kind of guy, even the “list” above is welcome to chime in:

Why Ron Paul will not be elected and/or would NOT be a good president:
1. He is old, mousey, whiny, grumpy, skinny, etc. Do not underestimate the importance of these factors, as a very large number of voters are not familiar with the issues, and vote for vanity. Sad but true. It does no good to have good ideas when you don’t have the presidential image, and Ron has neither.
2. He has been in Congress for 2 decades and doesn’t have a single bill to his name. We elected someone president with zero accomplishments in 2008, why would we want to do that again? How can you expect him to be able to lead the country when he can’t lead a single bill to fruition after 20 years?
3. He even voted against his own bill to audit the Federal Reserve, because he didn’t get every single detail he wanted. He is so stubbornly rigid he simply takes his toys and goes home if he doesn’t get every little detail he wants.
4. Many of his domestic policies are admirable, but how does he expect to implement them when he will have to work with Congress to get many of them turned into a reality? Will he simply hold his breath until Congress lets him get his way, because he has zero track record of using any other tactic to be successful?
5. Most of his foreign policies are dangerous. If we pull out of foreign countries, the vacuum WILL be filled by Russia, China, etc. Once you lose your toehold, it is VERY difficult to expand military operations if the need arises. Think about how hard it would have been for the U.S. to fight Hitler if England had fallen. For example, if China decides they don’t want to allow free flow of oil, we would have no recourse, as it takes years, if not decades, to develop independent energy sources. He is simply naive to the point of being a traitor to his own country. Also, we need forward positioned military presence to fight the global war on terror. It isn’t being fought only in Iraq and Afghanistan, there are operations literally around the world preventing future 9/11 type attacks that simply cannot be fought by guarding our own borders, 9/11 should have taught us that. We must therefore disrupt the terrorist cells wherever they are, so they cannot organize, plan, recruit, train, equip, and attack again. To not do this would be suicidal.
For the above and other reasons, Ron gets the pot smoking and “freedom at any cost” crowd, and that’s all he will ever get…LOL!!!

also:
The #2 is a paid shill to troll and disrupt this forum with its spewing of hatred. So real Americans can’t converse here without IT hijacking all threads. That’s why this subhuman needs to be banned. One NEVER responds to IT — its existence is to be ignored.

also:
The #2 is a paid shill to troll and disrupt this forum with its spewing of hatred. So real Americans can’t converse here without IT hijacking all threads. That’s why this subhuman needs to be banned. One NEVER responds to IT — its existence is to be ignored.

The Passion of the Christ is a good movie, but I don’t know if I want to watch it THAT many times in a row, so let’s take a break from this repetitious “program” and allow other readers to comment on the below serious and real issues that result in baggage for Ron Paul. Tell me what you think, let’s have open and honest discourse, and since I’m a First Amendment kind of guy, even the “list” above is welcome to chime in:

Why Ron Paul will not be elected and/or would NOT be a good president:
1. He is old, mousey, whiny, grumpy, skinny, etc. Do not underestimate the importance of these factors, as a very large number of voters are not familiar with the issues, and vote for vanity. Sad but true. It does no good to have good ideas when you don’t have the presidential image, and Ron has neither.
2. He has been in Congress for 2 decades and doesn’t have a single bill to his name. We elected someone president with zero accomplishments in 2008, why would we want to do that again? How can you expect him to be able to lead the country when he can’t lead a single bill to fruition after 20 years?
3. He even voted against his own bill to audit the Federal Reserve, because he didn’t get every single detail he wanted. He is so stubbornly rigid he simply takes his toys and goes home if he doesn’t get every little detail he wants.
4. Many of his domestic policies are admirable, but how does he expect to implement them when he will have to work with Congress to get many of them turned into a reality? Will he simply hold his breath until Congress lets him get his way, because he has zero track record of using any other tactic to be successful?
5. Most of his foreign policies are dangerous. If we pull out of foreign countries, the vacuum WILL be filled by Russia, China, etc. Once you lose your toehold, it is VERY difficult to expand military operations if the need arises. Think about how hard it would have been for the U.S. to fight Hitler if England had fallen. For example, if China decides they don’t want to allow free flow of oil, we would have no recourse, as it takes years, if not decades, to develop independent energy sources. He is simply naive to the point of being a traitor to his own country. Also, we need forward positioned military presence to fight the global war on terror. It isn’t being fought only in Iraq and Afghanistan, there are operations literally around the world preventing future 9/11 type attacks that simply cannot be fought by guarding our own borders, 9/11 should have taught us that. We must therefore disrupt the terrorist cells wherever they are, so they cannot organize, plan, recruit, train, equip, and attack again. To not do this would be suicidal.
For the above and other reasons, Ron gets the pot smoking and “freedom at any cost” crowd, and that’s all he will ever get…LOL!!!!

also:
The #2 is a paid shill to troll and disrupt this forum with its spewing of hatred. So real Americans can’t converse here without IT hijacking all threads. That’s why this subhuman needs to be banned. One NEVER responds to IT — its existence is to be ignored.
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I really appreciate your numerous posts on virtually every thread of this blog. As you probably don’t know, most people don’t go back more than a few threads, but for those who do, they will be more curious about me, not less, and therefore read my posts. LOL

also:
The #2 is a paid shill to troll and disrupt this forum with its spewing of hatred. So real Americans can’t converse here without IT hijacking all threads. That’s why this subhuman needs to be banned. One NEVER responds to IT — its existence is to be ignored.

The #2 is a paid shill to troll and disrupt this forum with its spewing of hatred. So real Americans can’t converse here without IT hijacking all threads. That’s why this subhuman needs to be banned. One NEVER responds to IT — its existence is to be ignored.

The Passion of the Christ is a good movie, but I don’t know if I want to watch it THAT many times in a row, so let’s take a break from this repetitious “program” and allow other readers to comment on the below serious and real issues that result in baggage for Ron Paul. Tell me what you think, let’s have open and honest discourse, and since I’m a First Amendment kind of guy, even the “list” above is welcome to chime in:

Why Ron Paul will not be elected and/or would NOT be a good president:
1. He is old, mousey, whiny, grumpy, skinny, etc. Do not underestimate the importance of these factors, as a very large number of voters are not familiar with the issues, and vote for vanity. Sad but true. It does no good to have good ideas when you don’t have the presidential image, and Ron has neither.
2. He has been in Congress for 2 decades and doesn’t have a single bill to his name. We elected someone president with zero accomplishments in 2008, why would we want to do that again? How can you expect him to be able to lead the country when he can’t lead a single bill to fruition after 20 years?
3. He even voted against his own bill to audit the Federal Reserve, because he didn’t get every single detail he wanted. He is so stubbornly rigid he simply takes his toys and goes home if he doesn’t get every little detail he wants.
4. Many of his domestic policies are admirable, but how does he expect to implement them when he will have to work with Congress to get many of them turned into a reality? Will he simply hold his breath until Congress lets him get his way, because he has zero track record of using any other tactic to be successful?
5. Most of his foreign policies are dangerous. If we pull out of foreign countries, the vacuum WILL be filled by Russia, China, etc. Once you lose your toehold, it is VERY difficult to expand military operations if the need arises. Think about how hard it would have been for the U.S. to fight Hitler if England had fallen. For example, if China decides they don’t want to allow free flow of oil, we would have no recourse, as it takes years, if not decades, to develop independent energy sources. He is simply naive to the point of being a traitor to his own country. Also, we need forward positioned military presence to fight the global war on terror. It isn’t being fought only in Iraq and Afghanistan, there are operations literally around the world preventing future 9/11 type attacks that simply cannot be fought by guarding our own borders, 9/11 should have taught us that. We must therefore disrupt the terrorist cells wherever they are, so they cannot organize, plan, recruit, train, equip, and attack again. To not do this would be suicidal.
For the above and other reasons, Ron gets the pot smoking and “freedom at any cost” crowd, and that’s all he will ever get…LOL!!!!

also:
The #2 is a paid shill to troll and disrupt this forum with its spewing of hatred. So real Americans can’t converse here without IT hijacking all threads. That’s why this subhuman needs to be banned. One NEVER responds to IT — its existence is to be ignored.

The Passion of the Christ is a good movie, but I don’t know if I want to watch it THAT many times in a row, so let’s take a break from this repetitious “program” and allow other readers to comment on the below serious and real issues that result in baggage for Ron Paul. Tell me what you think, let’s have open and honest discourse, and since I’m a First Amendment kind of guy, even the “list” above is welcome to chime in:

Why Ron Paul will not be elected and/or would NOT be a good president:
1. He is old, mousey, whiny, grumpy, skinny, etc. Do not underestimate the importance of these factors, as a very large number of voters are not familiar with the issues, and vote for vanity. Sad but true. It does no good to have good ideas when you don’t have the presidential image, and Ron has neither.
2. He has been in Congress for 2 decades and doesn’t have a single bill to his name. We elected someone president with zero accomplishments in 2008, why would we want to do that again? How can you expect him to be able to lead the country when he can’t lead a single bill to fruition after 20 years?
3. He even voted against his own bill to audit the Federal Reserve, because he didn’t get every single detail he wanted. He is so stubbornly rigid he simply takes his toys and goes home if he doesn’t get every little detail he wants.
4. Many of his domestic policies are admirable, but how does he expect to implement them when he will have to work with Congress to get many of them turned into a reality? Will he simply hold his breath until Congress lets him get his way, because he has zero track record of using any other tactic to be successful?
5. Most of his foreign policies are dangerous. If we pull out of foreign countries, the vacuum WILL be filled by Russia, China, etc. Once you lose your toehold, it is VERY difficult to expand military operations if the need arises. Think about how hard it would have been for the U.S. to fight Hitler if England had fallen. For example, if China decides they don’t want to allow free flow of oil, we would have no recourse, as it takes years, if not decades, to develop independent energy sources. He is simply naive to the point of being a traitor to his own country. Also, we need forward positioned military presence to fight the global war on terror. It isn’t being fought only in Iraq and Afghanistan, there are operations literally around the world preventing future 9/11 type attacks that simply cannot be fought by guarding our own borders, 9/11 should have taught us that. We must therefore disrupt the terrorist cells wherever they are, so they cannot organize, plan, recruit, train, equip, and attack again. To not do this would be suicidal.
For the above and other reasons, Ron gets the pot smoking and “freedom at any cost” crowd, and that’s all he will ever get…LOL!!!

also:
The #2 is a paid shill to troll and disrupt this forum with its spewing of hatred. So real Americans can’t converse here without IT hijacking all threads. That’s why this subhuman needs to be banned. One NEVER responds to IT — its existence is to be ignored.

The Passion of the Christ is a good movie, but I don’t know if I want to watch it THAT many times in a row, so let’s take a break from this repetitious “program” and allow other readers to comment on the below serious and real issues that result in baggage for Ron Paul. Tell me what you think, let’s have open and honest discourse, and since I’m a First Amendment kind of guy, even the “list” above is welcome to chime in:

Why Ron Paul will not be elected and/or would NOT be a good president:
1. He is old, mousey, whiny, grumpy, skinny, etc. Do not underestimate the importance of these factors, as a very large number of voters are not familiar with the issues, and vote for vanity. Sad but true. It does no good to have good ideas when you don’t have the presidential image, and Ron has neither.
2. He has been in Congress for 2 decades and doesn’t have a single bill to his name. We elected someone president with zero accomplishments in 2008, why would we want to do that again? How can you expect him to be able to lead the country when he can’t lead a single bill to fruition after 20 years?
3. He even voted against his own bill to audit the Federal Reserve, because he didn’t get every single detail he wanted. He is so stubbornly rigid he simply takes his toys and goes home if he doesn’t get every little detail he wants.
4. Many of his domestic policies are admirable, but how does he expect to implement them when he will have to work with Congress to get many of them turned into a reality? Will he simply hold his breath until Congress lets him get his way, because he has zero track record of using any other tactic to be successful?
5. Most of his foreign policies are dangerous. If we pull out of foreign countries, the vacuum WILL be filled by Russia, China, etc. Once you lose your toehold, it is VERY difficult to expand military operations if the need arises. Think about how hard it would have been for the U.S. to fight Hitler if England had fallen. For example, if China decides they don’t want to allow free flow of oil, we would have no recourse, as it takes years, if not decades, to develop independent energy sources. He is simply naive to the point of being a traitor to his own country. Also, we need forward positioned military presence to fight the global war on terror. It isn’t being fought only in Iraq and Afghanistan, there are operations literally around the world preventing future 9/11 type attacks that simply cannot be fought by guarding our own borders, 9/11 should have taught us that. We must therefore disrupt the terrorist cells wherever they are, so they cannot organize, plan, recruit, train, equip, and attack again. To not do this would be suicidal.
For the above and other reasons, Ron gets the pot smoking and “freedom at any cost” crowd, and that’s all he will ever get…LOL!!!!

also:
The #2 is a paid shill to troll and disrupt this forum with its spewing of hatred. So real Americans can’t converse here without IT hijacking all threads. That’s why this subhuman needs to be banned. One NEVER responds to IT — its existence is to be ignored.

also:
The #2 is a paid shill to troll and disrupt this forum with its spewing of hatred. So real Americans can’t converse here without IT hijacking all threads. That’s why this subhuman needs to be banned. One NEVER responds to IT — its existence is to be ignored.

“Looking for 300+lb pimply failures that live in mum’s basement.
Must be hateful of all that’s good (since you hate yourself most because of the waste of protoplasm you’ve become); unable to crawl away from the computer, so mum gives you monthly sponge baths (also, occasionally removes the bedpan).
Why post your venomous spittings for free, when we’ll pay you handsomely to be our Shill — a fistful of food stamps and a bottle of hooch each week!”

That’s how the #2 got this “lucrative” job — why troll for free, when it can shill for so much more….

Perhaps spot on for a RIPtilian, but as usual, RIP goes “off the reservation” with his kooky foreign policies and loses most of their support and is left with only his usual base of druggies and freedom at any costs crowd. LOL

For example, do you guys think the War Powers Resolution is unconstitutional? LOL

“Looking for 300+lb pimply failures that live in mum’s basement.
Must be hateful of all that’s good (since you hate yourself most because of the waste of protoplasm you’ve become); unable to crawl away from the computer, so mum gives you monthly sponge baths (also, occasionally removes the bedpan).
Why post your venomous spittings for free, when we’ll pay you handsomely to be our Shill — a fistful of food stamps and a bottle of hooch each week!”

That’s how the #2 got this “lucrative” job — why troll for free, when it can shill for so much more….

“Former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson could pull as much as 6% of the vote in a hypothetical three-way match-up with Mitt Romney and President Obama. Johnson began the 2012 race running for the Republican nomination but has wound up carrying the libertarian banner and could gain ballot access in several states.”

If the above transpires, it is a certainty that Mitt will not defeat BO (with his flip-flopping, he couldn’t defeat him anyway, now this would assure it).

So he needs to withdraw now in favor of Ron Paul!
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Ron Paul WILL become President in 2012 — IF, Romney becomes a Patriot, and forgoes his ego, for the Good of the People!

Mitt Romney could become one of the greatest Statesmen in US History! He’d be the Savior of our Nation — the one that generations to come would tell their children: “Look at this statue, this is Mitt Romney, he saved America”!

Or, he can reduce himself to just a tiny footnote…what is amazing is that his fate rests in his own hands (a very rare occurrence throughout the history of the world)!

All Romney has to do, is to take advantage of this rarest of historical moments, and make a SINGLE DECISION!!!

Withdraw his candidacy IN FAVOR of Ron Paul, with the following grandiose and heart-wrenching patriotic speech (to save his political skin):

“I, Mitt Romney, will sacrifice my political goals for the Good of the People. Now I understand that only Ron Paul that can save our Nation. I agree with all he stands for, therefore, I have deemed that our Nation’s salvation can only be accomplished when Ron Paul is elected as President of the United States of America. Without regret, but with joy, I do the most honorable and patriotic deed I can — I withdraw myself from this election, and give my full support to Ron Paul!”

One honest person is needed to bring these logical conclusions to Romney’s PERSONAL ATTENTION (not the myopic sycophants surrounding him and stroking his ego by chanting wishful thinking as ‘fact': “You gonna win Boss, you gonna win Boss….).

Regardless how egotistical, arrogant and narcissistic Romney may be, some semblance of reasoning of what’s best for him, should still remain in his skull. The instinct for self preservation dictates that even the smallest of minds will chose the path that leads to safety, not the one leading to disaster.

An honest realist needs to talk to Romney one-on-one — and explain the following to him, so Mitt can comprehend it:

1) If you don’t win the nomination, than your political career is over (you’ll become just a tiny footnote in US History as a failure).

2) If you win the nomination, and don’t defeat Obama — which is the most probable outcome (you’ll become just a tiny footnote in US History as an even LARGER failure).

Therefore, Dear Mitt, whichever gamble you take from the above, may lead to total disaster for your political career (and probably will)!

However, here is an action you can take, Dear Mitt, that guarantees you’ll become immortalized in the annals of US History — becoming the 21st Century Savior of America (surely this carrot of success will entice Romney’s egotism to go for it — over the probable political beatings he’d receive otherwise)!

All one needs to do, to assure Mitt’s Historical Greatness of Sacrifice for the Good of the Nation, is to present the above to Romney’s eyes alone! I urge all able to do so, to place this document in front of him!

Send this to Mitt Romney — as an Open Letter, e-mails, etc. — the more you send, the greater the chance he’ll get to read it!

Yes, always let me get in the last word. And please, do NOT respond to these issues:

Why Ron Paul will not be elected and/or would NOT be a good president:
1. He is old, mousey, whiny, grumpy, skinny, etc. Do not underestimate the importance of these factors, as a very large number of voters are not familiar with the issues, and vote for vanity. Sad but true. It does no good to have good ideas when you don’t have the presidential image, and Ron has neither.
2. He has been in Congress for 2 decades and doesn’t have a single bill to his name. We elected someone president with zero accomplishments in 2008, why would we want to do that again? How can you expect him to be able to lead the country when he can’t lead a single bill to fruition after 20 years?
3. He even voted against his own bill to audit the Federal Reserve, because he didn’t get every single detail he wanted. He is so stubbornly rigid he simply takes his toys and goes home if he doesn’t get every little detail he wants.
4. Many of his domestic policies are admirable, but how does he expect to implement them when he will have to work with Congress to get many of them turned into a reality? Will he simply hold his breath until Congress lets him get his way, because he has zero track record of using any other tactic to be successful?
5. Most of his foreign policies are dangerous. If we pull out of foreign countries, the vacuum WILL be filled by Russia, China, etc. Once you lose your toehold, it is VERY difficult to expand military operations if the need arises. Think about how hard it would have been for the U.S. to fight Hitler if England had fallen. For example, if China decides they don’t want to allow free flow of oil, we would have no recourse, as it takes years, if not decades, to develop independent energy sources. He is simply naive to the point of being a traitor to his own country. Also, we need forward positioned military presence to fight the global war on terror. It isn’t being fought only in Iraq and Afghanistan, there are operations literally around the world preventing future 9/11 type attacks that simply cannot be fought by guarding our own borders, 9/11 should have taught us that. We must therefore disrupt the terrorist cells wherever they are, so they cannot organize, plan, recruit, train, equip, and attack again. To not do this would be suicidal.
For the above and other reasons, Ron gets the pot smoking and “freedom at any cost” crowd, and that’s all he will ever get…LOL!!!!

Hey, has it been one week yet? That was the timeframe you said it would take to get me off this blog. LOL

By the way, you’ve been spending FAR more time here lately than me, and you’re even less effective than before. LOL

Now, which of us is Pavlov again? LOL

Crucify him…Crucify him. LOL

Why Ron Paul will not be elected and/or would NOT be a good president:
1. He is old, mousey, whiny, grumpy, skinny, etc. Do not underestimate the importance of these factors, as a very large number of voters are not familiar with the issues, and vote for vanity. Sad but true. It does no good to have good ideas when you don’t have the presidential image, and Ron has neither.
2. He has been in Congress for 2 decades and doesn’t have a single bill to his name. We elected someone president with zero accomplishments in 2008, why would we want to do that again? How can you expect him to be able to lead the country when he can’t lead a single bill to fruition after 20 years?
3. He even voted against his own bill to audit the Federal Reserve, because he didn’t get every single detail he wanted. He is so stubbornly rigid he simply takes his toys and goes home if he doesn’t get every little detail he wants.
4. Many of his domestic policies are admirable, but how does he expect to implement them when he will have to work with Congress to get many of them turned into a reality? Will he simply hold his breath until Congress lets him get his way, because he has zero track record of using any other tactic to be successful?
5. Most of his foreign policies are dangerous. If we pull out of foreign countries, the vacuum WILL be filled by Russia, China, etc. Once you lose your toehold, it is VERY difficult to expand military operations if the need arises. Think about how hard it would have been for the U.S. to fight Hitler if England had fallen. For example, if China decides they don’t want to allow free flow of oil, we would have no recourse, as it takes years, if not decades, to develop independent energy sources. He is simply naive to the point of being a traitor to his own country. Also, we need forward positioned military presence to fight the global war on terror. It isn’t being fought only in Iraq and Afghanistan, there are operations literally around the world preventing future 9/11 type attacks that simply cannot be fought by guarding our own borders, 9/11 should have taught us that. We must therefore disrupt the terrorist cells wherever they are, so they cannot organize, plan, recruit, train, equip, and attack again. To not do this would be suicidal.
For the above and other reasons, Ron gets the pot smoking and “freedom at any cost” crowd, and that’s all he will ever get…LOL!!!!

Ron Paul MUST stay on course — keep up the uphill battle to win as many delegates as possible (that the GOP does not prevent him to do, by their obvious chicanery)!

Ron Paul needs to take Rmoney to Tampa. Then, the PERFIDY of the GOP will be Nationally telecast (hundreds of thousands of Real Americans supporting the only Patriot (RP), vs a few hundred mousey sycophants for Mitt Grosny, will be hard to dismiss)!
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The American People have long known that the Democrat Party cheats and lies — so they are used to their chicanery (the reason, many call them Democrooks).
It is high time that they NOW see the GOP is no different — the Republicons fraud, cheating and strong-arming to “elect” Mitt Grosny, may finally have a televised exposure!
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After the Tampa Convention — which will probably be the most memorable of spectacles this last 50 years — Ron Paul should take the best path that assures he’ll be part of the Presidential debates vs BO.

Ron Paul MUST be part of the Presidential debates — so, people can judge the difference between a real Human and plastic sub-humans!
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It is not unprecedented for a candidate to be the standard bearer for more than one party (I think in 1896, William Jennings Bryan was the nominee of the Democrats, the Populist Party, and the Silver Republicans; and I believe in 1872, Horace Greeley was nominated by the Democrats and also by the Liberal-Republican Party).

It explains how Bain Capital worked. They would buy SUCCESSFUL companies, with little down, borrowed huge amounts, saddling them with crushing debt, refused to continue equipment purchases or maintenance. Then they would pay themselves huge “management” fees.
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Some notable excerpts:

“Romney is not a vulture capitalist, as Rick Perry says, since vultures eat dead carcasses,” notes Josh Kosman, who has written about the private equity business for 15 years. He’s “more of a parasitic capitalist, since he destroys profitable businesses.” (The host must be healthy enough to be force-fed all that debt, then slowly bled to death…until the parasites drain all the wealth for themselves).

“When Bain was about to buy a company, its partners would hold a meeting. “He said that about half the time [they] would talk about cutting workers,” Kosman says. “They would never talk about adding workers. He said that job growth was never part of the plan.” That claim was buttressed by the Associated Press, which studied 45 companies bought by Bain during Romney’s first decade. It found that 4,000 workers lost their jobs. The real figure is likely thousands higher, since the analysis didn’t account for bankruptcies and factory and store closings.

“The Armco plant closing involved more than the torching of 750 jobs, Morrow says. Contractors and suppliers collapsed. Workers’ children and widows lost health care and pension benefits. And while Bain received millions in tax breaks—paid for by the very people left holding the bag—Romney walked away millions richer.”
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“On December 29, 2011, the Israeli Mossad Chief, Tamir Pardo, told 100 ambassadors gathered in Jerusalem that a “nuclear Iran does not pose an existential threat to Israel.” When Dr. Paul said something similar in a debate the next week, insisting that we should not go to war with Iran on a presidential executive decision but only by consultation with the congress, he was heavily criticized and ridiculed.”

I clicked the link to the quote and read the corresponding article twice and did not see anything like that quote. In fact the article if anything seemed like it implied the opposite: that Iran does pose and existential threat to israel

Take your pick…there are no other options!
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Ron Paul must take Rmoney to Tampa — to expose the GOP’s perfidy — when hundreds of thousands of Real Americans will come to the Convention voluntarily, supporting Ron Paul, the ONLY REAL AMERICAN PATRIOT in this race (vs a few hundred BUSED Rmoney bullies pretending they are actual people)!

If the Republican Convention cheats Ron Paul out of The Nomination — then, go Third Party!

There MUST NOT be a way allowed, for Rmoney to “debate” BO one-on-one — since this will be a Clowns’ Show (two liars trying to out-lie each other…when they are one-and-the-same HUMAN TRASH)!

Ron Paul MUST be part of the DEBATES — so, he can clearly show up THESE politically trained monkeys for what they are — The ULTIMATE Destroyers of the USA!
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Elect Ron Paul as President, if you want to Save America — vote for anyone else, if you WANT to DESTROY the USA!

According to RNC Rule #38 — at the Tampa Convention NONE of the Delegates are ACTUALLY Bound! Delegates can vote according to their own judgment and conscience — and are NOT bound to vote according to how most delegates from their state vote.

Precedent was set in 2008 Utah by Legal Council for the RNC (stating: The RNC does not recognize a state’s binding of national delegates, but considers each delegate a free agent who can vote for whoever they choose).

Also, the Republican (and Democratic) Parties are Private Organizations — so voting within a party is NOT bound by Election Law!
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What does this mean? It clearly shows that ANY or ALL delegates can abstain from voting in the 1st round. Or in other words — Bye-bye Mitt !!!

What do we need to do? Push for as many more delegate wins for Ron Paul as humanly possible — so a Ron Paul victory in Tampa is assured!

But most importantly NOW — SHARE this information (spread it like wildfire)!

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I know this is totally off topic but I had to share it with someone!