he didn't want the day to day work associated with making the movie, doesn't mean that he didn't want to control story ideas.

Didn't Kathleen say that he was her Yoda and that they would go to him with questions? Doesn't sound like he's completely done as you suggest.

That's a consultant. And they are being respectful of him as a man. But, all parties involved have been clear on this issue. Lucas is not running the show, he's not calling the shots. He sold Lucasfilm and is in semi-retirement.

Again, people are having a hard time with this, it's pretty basic. Lucas is done with big movies.

I think Lucas will have say on script approval, and big story ideas(even though Ardnt is writing the script, the story is Lucas). Other than that he may have some influence on ILM, design house stuff of the production at his leisure(the stuff he probably only really cares about anyways). But that is about it I would suspect...

He won't be there to day to day during filming at all I would guess. I think his hand will be felt a bit during pre/post production and nothing more..

Sure, he isn't running the day to day operations for the franchise. But episode 7 is based off of his story treatments. He will have story credit for the film. The script is based off of his outlines. To say that he has NO involvement would be equally disingenuous. He is going to have a say in certain things. Once episode 7-9 is finished Lucas will have no involvement with Star Wars.

He doesn't have say, that is the point here. The Disney people are in control. They may ask his opinion, but he has no say. The Disney people have made it clear, they are in control of the property. It's not a grey area. I think people here just don't want to believe it.

They have his treatments, and they can do anythign they want with them. The head of Disney is telling you in black and white terms that they are in control of the property and have complete creative control. This is black and white. Lucas has no say, they are telling you that themselves. He will have as much or as little input in the direction they go as Disney sees fit. Fans just don't want to accept what is begin told to them, by Disney or Lucas.

There is quote after quote out there of Lucas speaking on this. The man wants to move on, it's why he did it. He wants to focus on small projects and philanthropy. He doesn't want the role you guys want him to take. People just don't want to accept it.

today on March 3rd. Disney controls the property. Lucas is helping transition Kennedy into head of Lucasfilm. The man is done with Star Wars

They have his treatments, and they can do anything they want with them. The head of Disney is telling you in black and white terms that they are in control of the property and have complete creative control. This is black and white. Lucas has no say, they are telling you that themselves. He will have as much or as little input in the direction they go as Disney sees fit. Fans just don't want to accept what is being told to them, by Disney or Lucas.

That is true now, today on March 3rd. Disney controls the property.

Dude, you're beating your head against a wall. As you've noticed, some people are going to believe what they want about George's involvement, and it does you no good to argue with them. You'll just wind up in a loony bin repeating over and over " He has no say, he has no say, he has no say".

They have his treatments, and they can do anything they want with them. The head of Disney is telling you in black and white terms that they are in control of the property and have complete creative control. This is black and white. Lucas has no say, they are telling you that themselves. He will have as much or as little input in the direction they go as Disney sees fit. Fans just don't want to accept what is being told to them, by Disney or Lucas.

That is true now, today on March 3rd. Disney controls the property.

Dude, you're beating your head against a wall. As you've noticed, some people are going to believe what they want about George's involvement, and it does you no good to argue with them. You'll just wind up in a loony bin repeating over and over " He has no say, he has no say, he has no say".

They have his treatments, and they can do anything they want with them. The head of Disney is telling you in black and white terms that they are in control of the property and have complete creative control. This is black and white. Lucas has no say, they are telling you that themselves. He will have as much or as little input in the direction they go as Disney sees fit. Fans just don't want to accept what is being told to them, by Disney or Lucas.

That is true now, today on March 3rd. Disney controls the property.

Dude, you're beating your head against a wall. As you've noticed, some people are going to believe what they want about George's involvement, and it does you no good to argue with them. You'll just wind up in a loony bin repeating over and over " He has no say, he has no say, he has no say".

I'm fine with it. It passes the time. It's not like I'm wrong

Eventually, people will come to see it for what it is

But, they won't. Mark my words, if these movies are good, there will be those who are convinced that they're good because of George's involvement. There will also be those who are convinced that the movies are good because of George's lack of involvement. It will become the new "PT vs OT" argument. It is the future I see.

Lucas ABSOLUTELY is not done. He is stepping out of the pressures of the day to day operation, and the fan/critic pressure cooker. His voice will be heard and his basic storylines will be around for a good while. He will not be micromanaging like he did in the PT (obviously), but it is unrealistic to think that he didn't set up a situation where his voice would be heard in the story and making of the movies.

They have his treatments, and they can do anything they want with them. The head of Disney is telling you in black and white terms that they are in control of the property and have complete creative control. This is black and white. Lucas has no say, they are telling you that themselves. He will have as much or as little input in the direction they go as Disney sees fit. Fans just don't want to accept what is being told to them, by Disney or Lucas.

That is true now, today on March 3rd. Disney controls the property.

Dude, you're beating your head against a wall. As you've noticed, some people are going to believe what they want about George's involvement, and it does you no good to argue with them. You'll just wind up in a loony bin repeating over and over " He has no say, he has no say, he has no say".

I'm fine with it. It passes the time. It's not like I'm wrong

Eventually, people will come to see it for what it is

But, they won't. Mark my words, if these movies are good, there will be those who are convinced that they're good because of George's involvement. There will also be those who are convinced that the movies are good because of George's lack of involvement. It will become the new "PT vs OT" argument. It is the future I see.

You're probably right. Never underestimate the fanboy's power of denial.

Here's another Lucas quote.

"I'm moving away from all my businesses, I'm finishing all my obligations and I'm going to retire to my garage with my saw and hammer and build hobby movies," Lucas said. "I've always wanted to make movies that were more experimental in nature, and not have to worry about them showing in movie theatres."

He's done. The guy has been nothing but upfront about his intentions, and people would rather lie to themselves. It's fascinating in it's own way

Lucas ABSOLUTELY is not done. He is stepping out of the pressures of the day to day operation, and the fan/critic pressure cooker. His voice will be heard and his basic storylines will be around for a good while. He will not be micromanaging like he did in the PT (obviously), but it is unrealistic to think that he didn't set up a situation where his voice would be heard in the story and making of the movies.

Lee and I agree on this point.

Anybody want to change their minds to agree with us after reading the Lucas/Bloomberg interview?

Lucas ABSOLUTELY is not done. He is stepping out of the pressures of the day to day operation, and the fan/critic pressure cooker. His voice will be heard and his basic storylines will be around for a good while. He will not be micromanaging like he did in the PT (obviously), but it is unrealistic to think that he didn't set up a situation where his voice would be heard in the story and making of the movies.

Lee and I agree on this point.

Anybody want to change their minds to agree with us after reading the Lucas/Bloomberg interview?

What did he say in that, can you link the interview you are referring to?

Lucas ABSOLUTELY is not done. He is stepping out of the pressures of the day to day operation, and the fan/critic pressure cooker. His voice will be heard and his basic storylines will be around for a good while. He will not be micromanaging like he did in the PT (obviously), but it is unrealistic to think that he didn't set up a situation where his voice would be heard in the story and making of the movies.

Lee and I agree on this point.

Anybody want to change their minds to agree with us after reading the Lucas/Bloomberg interview?

What did he say in that, can you link the interview you are referring to?

Lucas ABSOLUTELY is not done. He is stepping out of the pressures of the day to day operation, and the fan/critic pressure cooker. His voice will be heard and his basic storylines will be around for a good while. He will not be micromanaging like he did in the PT (obviously), but it is unrealistic to think that he didn't set up a situation where his voice would be heard in the story and making of the movies.

Lee and I agree on this point.

Anybody want to change their minds to agree with us after reading the Lucas/Bloomberg interview?

What did he say in that, can you link the interview you are referring to?

Lucas announced in January that he was engaged to Mellody Hobson, a Chicago money manager, and he has been spending much of his time in her hometown. Even so, he’s attended story meetings for the new film, adjudicating the physical laws and attributes of the Star Wars universe. “I mostly say, ‘You can’t do this. You can do that,’ ” Lucas says. “You know, ‘The cars don’t have wheels. They fly with antigravity.’ There’s a million little pieces. Or I can say, ‘He doesn’t have the power to do that, or he has to do this.’ I know all that stuff.”

OK, I went through that and I come away thinking the same thing I did before, he's done. We already knew he was going to act as a consultant, and that quote above is pretty basic stuff. They guy is doing exactly what he said he was going to do, turn Lucasfilms over to Kennedy, transition to Disney, and retire.

OK, I went through that and I come away thinking the same thing I did before, he's done. We already knew he was going to act as a consultant, and that quote above is pretty basic stuff. They guy is doing exactly what he said he was going to do, turn Lucasfilms over to Kennedy, transition to Disney, and retire.

If anything, that article confirms it that much more.

And if that doesn't, this will (emphasis mine):

In the five months of negotiations that followed (...) Iger wanted to make sure that Lucas, who was used to controlling every aspect of Star Wars, from set design to lunchboxes, understood that Disney, not Lucasfilm, would have final say over any future movies. “We needed to have an understanding that if we acquire the company, despite tons of collegial conversations and collaboration, at the end of the day, we have to be the ones who sign off on whatever the plans are,” says Alan Horn, chairman of Walt Disney Studios.[/QUOTE]

OK, I went through that and I come away thinking the same thing I did before, he's done. We already knew he was going to act as a consultant, and that quote above is pretty basic stuff. They guy is doing exactly what he said he was going to do, turn Lucasfilms over to Kennedy, transition to Disney, and retire.

If anything, that article confirms it that much more.

And if that doesn't, this will (emphasis mine):

In the five months of negotiations that followed (...) Iger wanted to make sure that Lucas, who was used to controlling every aspect of Star Wars, from set design to lunchboxes, understood that Disney, not Lucasfilm, would have final say over any future movies. “We needed to have an understanding that if we acquire the company, despite tons of collegial conversations and collaboration, at the end of the day, we have to be the ones who sign off on whatever the plans are,” says Alan Horn, chairman of Walt Disney Studios.[/QUOTE]

It's clear, Lucas has been upfront about his plans to retire. People just don't want to accept it for whatever reasons.

Seriously? You said the consultant role was having him "out of the way" and that "Lucas has no say."

This story and quote show that he is involved, with say.

I stand by what I said. Disney is in control, they can do whatever they want. Lucas by his own design has stepped aside. The fact that he's willing to answer questions doesn't change that. You need to read that article again and understand what it's really telling you. The guy who seperated himself from Hollywood's power structure to maintain control over his movies is now selling his properties back into that system, to retire.

That article is making my point, not yours.

Even if he's willing to answer questions. Lucas has been upfront about that too, that he will consult and answer their questions and help transition Lucasfilms to Kennedy's control. But the guy is stepping out. There is no doubt about it. None.

He's sitting in on story meetings, telling the new team how the universe works, which proves the point that he is involved - contrary to your post saying he was be put aside and that the consultant role was just a nice way of saying he's out the door.