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Pre-Fight Debate: Bracket 14

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Can't Grodd just boddy jump into nearby sharks and shit as well? Actually this is a really cool fight!

edit: how long does Taskmaster's muscle memory last? i mean does he have the abilities of all the other combatants by watching the fight tapes?

He remembers his entire life down to every little detail, including everything he's ever seen anyone do. His ability to replicate a certain move never gets rusty either. The only thing he can't copy on a first try is copying a person's voice well enough to fake out a voice verification system (it takes a few).

You mean he has Daredevil and probably Iron Fist too? Wow is he under utilized.

Can't Grodd just boddy jump into nearby sharks and shit as well? Actually this is a really cool fight!

edit: how long does Taskmaster's muscle memory last? i mean does he have the abilities of all the other combatants by watching the fight tapes?

He remembers his entire life down to every little detail, including everything he's ever seen anyone do. His ability to replicate a certain move never gets rusty either. The only thing he can't copy on a first try is copying a person's voice well enough to fake out a voice verification system (it takes a few).

You mean he has Daredevil and probably Iron Fist too? Wow is he under utilized.

So what the fuck does "perfect aim" mean again? I mean, to hit moving, thinking targets at a distance, you'd think it would have to some sort of future-sense or some shit.

It means that Bullseye can hit whatever he wants, wherever he wants, whenever he wants with whatever he wants.

He is not going to miss. Not with a fucking harpoon gun. He is going to shoot Grodd in the brain.

It's not an unstoppable ability, Daredevil has caught shit that Bullseye has thrown at him before. Grodd could use his mind control to send Atlanteans/sharks at him thereby depleting his weapon supply before moving in for the kill.

Also lets not forget Grodd is used to fighting the fucking Flash so its not like Bullseye is gonna be too quick for him. I'm not saying Bullseye won't hurt him, but Grodd can take alot of punishment, while Bullseye would be doomed the second Grodd got his hands on him.

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Grodd and Taskmaster. I've always assumed Bullseye could "throw (blank) with perfect accuracy" not simply "has perfect accuracy", if that is not correct then I still give it to Grodd since Grodd still has alot of mental powers that he has at his disposal.

Taskmaster isn't in any real danger in his fight vs grundy. As long as he doesn't try and box the big dead guy he has the match in the bag.

Neither is Bullseye, but Bullseye has a weapon made for moving extremely fast through water and has the accuracy to make it hit the mark.

Munkus Beaver on December 2006

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Solomon Grundy,
Born on a Monday,
Christened on Tuesday,
Married on Wednesday,
Took ill on Thursday,
Grew worse on Friday,
Died on Saturday,
Buried on Sunday.
That was the end of
Solomon Grundy.

Uh, anyway. I don't think Bullseye's perfect with a harpoon gun. He throws shit. He doesn't have a power he's just good a tossin' stuff. He's not Hawkeye, killin' dudes with fingernails. He'd still be a pretty good shot, but a Gorilla is around 500 pounds of pure muscle, and Grodd being a DC supervillain, probably weighs a ton and benches buildings. Bullseye has one chance for a lethal shot, because harpoons are a bitch to reload. If he misses he'll go all emo then get eaten.

Taskmaster's such a lame character. He carries around a replica of Cap's shield, Daredevil's batons, and watched them, Wolverine and Deadpool fight. He might get beat in a slugfest, but all of the character's he can emulate have taken on bigger, badder, dudes and either held their own or won.

Grodd and Grundy - Grodd might not like the water, but he's hyper-intelligent and super strong, and that's saying nothing about his mental abilities used on the denizens of Atlantis; he'll be able to take out Bullseye despite the fact that he might get a shot in on him. Problem is with that adamantium, he's going to be slowed down a lot underwater, and loading a harpoon gun can be a bitch even without distraction. Grundy can take whatever Taskmaster can dish out, so much so that he will just outlast him.

Solomon Grundy,
Born on a Monday,
Christened on Tuesday,
Married on Wednesday,
Took ill on Thursday,
Grew worse on Friday,
Died on Saturday,
Buried on Sunday.
That was the end of
Solomon Grundy.

Uh, anyway. I don't think Bullseye's perfect with a harpoon gun. He throws shit. He doesn't have a power he's just good a tossin' stuff. He's not Hawkeye, killin' dudes with fingernails. He'd still be a pretty good shot, but a Gorilla is around 500 pounds of pure muscle, and Grodd being a DC supervillain, probably weighs a ton and benches buildings. Bullseye has one chance for a lethal shot, because harpoons are a bitch to reload. If he misses he'll go all emo then get eaten.

Taskmaster's such a lame character. He carries around a replica of Cap's shield, Daredevil's batons, and watched them, Wolverine and Deadpool fight. He might get beat in a slugfest, but all of the character's he can emulate have taken on bigger, badder, dudes and either held their own or won.

I'm pretty sure Ultimate Hawkeye, who did the fingernail thing, is probably based on 616 Bullseye as much as 616 Hawkeye. That was definitely a Bullseye kind of move.

You'd think so, but you'd be wrong. Actually, not just wrong, but categorically incorrect.

K. I've just never read anything with him shooting anyone. Its always with the throwing. Throwing cards, apples, knives, and teeth. I figure he's still an excellent marksman when it comes to projectiles, but can't pull the insane stuff he does with anything he can throw.

You'd think so, but you'd be wrong. Actually, not just wrong, but categorically incorrect.

K. I've just never read anything with him shooting anyone. Its always with the throwing. Throwing cards, apples, knives, and teeth. I figure he's still an excellent marksman when it comes to projectiles, but can't pull the insane stuff he does with anything he can throw.

If it involves throwing or shooting in any way Bullseye does not miss. Unless he is fighting someone with super senses like Dare Devil or Spider-Man.

You'd think so, but you'd be wrong. Actually, not just wrong, but categorically incorrect.

K. I've just never read anything with him shooting anyone. Its always with the throwing. Throwing cards, apples, knives, and teeth. I figure he's still an excellent marksman when it comes to projectiles, but can't pull the insane stuff he does with anything he can throw.

Wikipedia:

Bullseye has no superhuman powers, however, his uncanny abilities to use virtually any object as a lethal projectile makes him more dangerous than many characters who do have superhuman powers. While not superhuman, Bullseye can accomplish many feats with thrown projectiles that are impossible outside of fiction. Some of his accomplishments include: lacerate a person's throat with a thrown playing card, spit his own tooth through a human skull, toss a paper airplane to a distant rooftop, and kill a person with a toothpick thrown through a window from a hundred yards away.

Now, I'd think that, compared to lacerating someone's throat with a playing card, shooting someone with a harpoon would be kinda easy.

Grodd wins fight one hands down. Perfect accuracy doesn't do you any good when your target is protected by a living sheild of Atlanteans and sharks, and you are also being attacked by more sharks.

Bullseye has one shot to do this, and it's too easy for Grodd to keep him from taking it. Grodd wins.

I have yet to be sold on the Grundy/Taskmaster fight. Can't say with any level of reasonability how it's going to go.

Bullseye can exploit the tiniest, most insignificant opening you can imagine. Grodd is totally dead.

Bullseye needs one shot at the most. Just one. And then Grodd is dead.

Because Grodd's mobility underwater is severely limited, and because he really doesn't have the time to prepare for Bullseye.

Grodd doesn't know anything about Bullseye, remember? He doesn't know that Bullseye is pretty much incapable of missing.

And I would have you know that Daredevil and Spider-Man only manage to not get killed by Bullseye because of their superhuman senses.

You know, there's a warm, fuzzy feeling associated with being at the recieving end of one of your arguments. I don't know why people complain about it.

Seriously, I appreciate your passion. The only thing I really feel confident in refuting there is mobility, on the grounds neither of them have a strong advantage (adamantium would slow Bullseye down and what-not). You do make a compelling argument for why Bullseye gets his shot, though.

I guess the one last question is "how fast do harpoons move underwater?". If it's something Grodd can react to (even to turn a killing blow into a terrible wound), then he still wins. Sharks get Bullseye before he reloads.

Bullseye's skeleton is only reinfirced with small strips of the stuff. It does not add a significant amount of weight to his body.

Especially since adamantium isn't a very heavy material at all. It is not super-dense, its molecules are merely lined up in an improbably regular and durable structure.

And Grodd is a gorilla. Gorillas do not swim. They are incapable of it. No locomotion for Grodd in this fight.

And harpoons are specifically designed to move really quickly underwater. They are weapons designed for underwater shooting. It moves hella fast. Faster than Bullseye can most things on land. If it takes special powers or extreme, mind-bendingly improbable amounts of skill to avoid a playing card from cutting your jugular vein, you are pretty much dead when confronted with a harpoon.

Also, I'm pleased to see that you like argueing with me. I really appreciate that. Thank you. You're welcome, by the way.

Warm and fuzzy. Perhaps I should go pick on some homeless people during the holidays, to help them get through the nights.

Bullseye's skeleton is only reinfirced with small strips of the stuff. It does not add a significant amount of weight to his body.

Especially since adamantium isn't a very heavy material at all. It is not super-dense, its molecules are merely lined up in an improbably regular and durable structure.

The coating of adamantium around Wolverine's bones adds over 100 lbs to his weight. It's a bit heavier than you are giving it credit for.

But Wolverine has his entire skeleton coated with the stuff where Bullseye just has some thin strips.

Yeah, but its not like it's a really think coating of it. It's one layer of it laid over his bones. Bullseye does not have nearly as much of it on his bones but there would still be some added weight from the strips he has.

Checking the Marvel database says he has 25 lbs of the stuff over his bones.

25 lbs of metal would weigh you down in water. It's not very buoyant and sinks, which would pull Bullseye down with it.

If we are going to worry about him sinking, why not wonder if its too dark to see as well. I assumed this was a standard comic book underwater fight, which means that they are basically weightless.

Oh I agree with you. I think Bullseye would win too. I was just pointing out to Spex that he was wrong about adamantium being light weight and not adding a significant ammount of weight to Bullseye As it stands the strips he has on him account for 13% of his body weight.