While I too am saddened it has come to this. And I also want to support Krzysztof Drabikowski in all this I have to say that while his new album is fine it doesn't really catch my attention. That said Barts version if way more boring so I still prefer Drabikowski's version but to me it is a far cry from what made the debut album so excellent.

The sad thing is that I think the aesthetic they're leaning into so hard is really fucking rad. Loads of candles and incense, presented as a sermon/ceremony, band behind drapes, vocalist wearing a mask, not moving and standing behind an altar the entire time, that all sounds like an incredibly cool and immersive experience.

It's just a huge fuckin' bummer that Bartushka is the one trying to do it and completely squandering all of the good press Batushka garnered in its original form. I think it's safe to say that Krysystyisoff wins. Flawless victory.

To be completely honest I don't think it's that original, they are just Orthodox Cult of Fire and when I saw Cult of Fire I already thought it was a bit too much. I prefer bands with a simpler approach, Irkallian Oracle do it better.

Just so I'm clear - is Fartushka not playing/allowed to play anything off Litourgiya live? What the hell is even the point of seeing them? I imagine 50% of their audience is unaware of this whole controversy, 45% are there to watch the dumpster fire burn, and then maybe 5% are actually excited about the upcoming album.

Speaking of which, why is Bart's Batushka on the Archives when they don't have a physical release out yet?

Just so I'm clear - is Fartushka not playing/allowed to play anything off Litourgiya live? What the hell is even the point of seeing them? I imagine 50% of their audience is unaware of this whole controversy, 45% are there to watch the dumpster fire burn, and then maybe 5% are actually excited about the upcoming album.

Speaking of which, why is Bart's Batushka on the Archives when they don't have a physical release out yet?

I think the mods decided it would be best to include it in order to prevent any possible confusion once they split the Batushka page into 3.

Just so I'm clear - is Fartushka not playing/allowed to play anything off Litourgiya live? What the hell is even the point of seeing them? I imagine 50% of their audience is unaware of this whole controversy, 45% are there to watch the dumpster fire burn, and then maybe 5% are actually excited about the upcoming album.

Speaking of which, why is Bart's Batushka on the Archives when they don't have a physical release out yet?

I think the mods decided it would be best to include it in order to prevent any possible confusion once they split the Batushka page into 3.

Pretty sure it's because it's not viewed as a new band, but the splitting of a disputed band page.

The site software has some limitations, one of them being that you can't have two sets of data (discography, members, etc.) on the same page without having them mix together, thus creating mass confusion. So when a band is in dispute - in which case there are multiple versions of the same band - there's no elegant way to show this on MA. The only solution, short of picking sides or creating a mess, is to set the band to disputed status, 'end' it at the time the band first went into disputed status, and to create 'child' versions of the band for each disputed version. That's how you end up with an "original" Batushka page, with two child pages for Bart's Batushka and Krzysztof's Batushka.

It helps to imagine that these aren't separate bands, and that in reality both versions of the band claim the band and its material prior to 2018 as their own. Both Bart and Krzysztof don't see their versions as anything new; from their point of view their versions are just a continuation of the 'original' Batushka. Each would claim "Litourgiya" belongs to them and their version. So I guess long story short, the reason Bart's Batushka has its own page, despite the album not being out yet, is because it's not a "new" band (as dystopia4 said) or a changed name or anything of that sort. If there was only one Batushka - and it was Bart's - his upcoming album would be added to the Batushka page because "Litourgiya" already qualified for the band to be on MA, and we allow upcoming albums to be added to existing band pages (so long as all the info is available for them). The same is true if this new album is non-metal, as was the case with English Dogs. Once a band is on MA, we include all albums, regardless if they're metal or not. The same rules apply here, the only difference being that they have separate band pages for each disputed version as a result of technical limitations, not because they are somehow separate projects.

So when you visit Bart's and Krzysztof's versions, just imagine that "Yekteníya VII" and "Litourgiya" are also included in the discographies on their versions' pages.

what in the hell was that? that's barely even an interlude, let alone an actual song, and somehow it goes on for six minutes. really glad this fake version has turned out to be such an embarrassing trainwreck.

God this new Bartushka album is not shaping up to be good. Every song he's released is short on ideas, drawn out, generic and with the window dressing of Batushka in the form of chanting. Nothing happened in that third song, I swear.

Understandable, but obviously Bart's album turning out to be the worst-case scenario is really the best-case scenario. It'll be hilarious if this album sells really shittily and gets critically bashed across the board, which, given what we've heard and seen so far, is almost certainly what will happen. The joke's on him and Metal Blade.

It'll be hilarious if this album sells really shittily and gets critically bashed across the board, which, given what we've heard and seen so far, is almost certainly what will happen. The joke's on him and Metal Blade.

Granted bartushka is still in pre-order, but just compare the number of supporters:

The Bart tracks are kind of reminding me of the last two Rotting Christ albums where it seems like the song just keeps building up to a climax that never happens, plus a lot of meandering "atmospheric"choirs that don't actually do anything. (though even at their weakest RC was never this bad, obviously.)

FFS man, "atmospheric" doesn't mean "never resolves to anything." Krystushka never had that problem, of course.

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A gritty "Leprechaun In the IRA" reboot sounds pretty awesome, actually. Sample line - "Come have a taste of me lucky ARMS!"

A contemporary reviewer weighs in on the whole situation and offers solid points about how the music industry treats artists and listeners....which is both odd and depressing considering the context here is underground metal.

The Bart tracks are kind of reminding me of the last two Rotting Christ albums where it seems like the song just keeps building up to a climax that never happens, plus a lot of meandering "atmospheric"choirs that don't actually do anything. (though even at their weakest RC was never this bad, obviously.)

FFS man, "atmospheric" doesn't mean "never resolves to anything." Krystushka never had that problem, of course.

This comment pretty much sums up the album. Polunosznica is probably the only decent track even though it's intro sunds silly.

You snowflakes are taking Hospodi out of context. It’s almost like you guys ARENT lighting candles, snorting incense, or hitting your orthodox priest hat on microphones before listening to it.

In all seriousness, part of me is sad because if Bart has just started a new band, I think I’d be able to dig it slightly. But if you go watch https://youtu.be/MY25v2CZ0AM?t=1657 (at the incl. timestamp) and told me that was Batushka, hell, even told me that was black metal, I would choke.

yeah that riff made me do the thonk face irl when i first heard it. album is very, very terrible and bad. some of the absolute worst songwriting i've heard in any style. only "powieczerje" feels like a song, and that one's just kinda okay.

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If you ask me, I think once Faketushka do the gigs they've got lined up on the back of Hospodi, they'll largely fade and struggle to get any meaningful tours after this. The music isn't great and it's largely apparent to most the project isn't 'rightfully' his. I'm not really sure if Drabikowski can salvage this, commercially he has to start over somewhat and it doesn't seem like there is any particular interest from another label in signing up his new record for a CD release to go with the fact there isn't any tours/gigs? In any case, the whole shit show has obliterated any momentum they could've built on the back of Litourgiya because of the greedy prick, Bart.

In lieu of a proper review of this album, I'm just gonna record a video of myself breaking into somebody else's house and awkwardly lighting candles in their basement for fifty minutes. It'll have the same effect.

So basically those choir parts make absolutely no sense. Kinda like symphonic metal bands inserting random Latin parts just to sound cool. The funniest thing is that I'm sure every Pole can understand what "фашистских концлагерях" means. He didn't even listen to the parts he decided to include.

Compare that to Derph who actually changed the lyrics to make them have the sense that he wished for them to have. Just shows how lazy Bart really is.

Bart's though was, as y'all have said, trash. Every buildup was painfully slow and feeble and went nowhere, the songs blended together (the last 4 songs were *identical*, and 1 song actually had any urgency and it was practically Von levels of repetitive), at no point did any of the ideas sound good or well used.

The fact that he stole a band to put this out, or even at all, is insulting.

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In all seriousness, part of me is sad because if Bart has just started a new band, I think I’d be able to dig it slightly. But if you go watch https://youtu.be/MY25v2CZ0AM?t=1657 (at the incl. timestamp) and told me that was Batushka, hell, even told me that was black metal, I would choke.

This time I really expected him to scream "JUMP DA FUK UP IN THE NAME OF JESUS!" at the end. Such a missed opportunity.

Bart's version of Batushka just announced an Australian tour. I won't be going, but it will be interesting to see the reception, or lack of it.

Damn, I'm almost tempted to go. I hate the idea of putting any money towards this band though. I really hope other Australians are aware of the whole situation. Anyone who saw them play at Dark Mofo in their original form will be sorely disappointed if they attend this tour.

So basically those choir parts make absolutely no sense. Kinda like symphonic metal bands inserting random Latin parts just to sound cool. The funniest thing is that I'm sure every Pole can understand what "фашистских концлагерях" means. He didn't even listen to the parts he decided to include.

Compare that to Derph who actually changed the lyrics to make them have the sense that he wished for them to have. Just shows how lazy Bart really is.

wow if true

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