The man just turns Lemons into Lemonade. When we lost out on getting Vonta Leach . He finds an undrafted Fullback who hits like a truck, leaps over defenders for 1st downs. And who can think of a cooler name for a fullback than Hynosoris. All our TEs go down in camp, yet some little unknown named Bear Pascoe picked up the slack. Think of all the coin Jerry saved with those 2 positions alone.

Manstache

06-09-2012, 03:49 PM

The man just turns Lemons into Lemonade. When we lost out on getting Vonta Leach . He finds an undrafted Fullback who hits like a truck, leaps over defenders for 1st downs. And who can think of a cooler name for a fullback than Hynosoris. All our TEs go down in camp, yet some little unknown named Bear Pascoe picked up the slack. Think of all the coin Jerry saved with those 2 positions alone.agreed. not to mention not panicking and forcing draft picks for lb help, when he just converted kiwi to a lb.

zimonami

06-09-2012, 04:31 PM

You're right... but, JR is wise... he looks for solid players to fill in the gaps... they don't have to be name stars to catch his eye.
For example, there are hundreds of TE's in any college class... guys that are solid FB players... they're just not 6'6", 260, and fast. The book on someone like Bear is... solid blocker, not a lot of speed but has good hands and doesn't fumble.
Well, that's all JR is looking for. He doesn't need the next Mark Bavaro, or Tony Gonzales... just someone reliable who isn't going to mess up and miss a block or drop one of the 2 passes Eli might throw his way.

gmen46

06-09-2012, 05:26 PM

You're right... but, JR is wise... he looks for solid players to fill in the gaps... they don't have to be name stars to catch his eye.
For example, there are hundreds of TE's in any college class... guys that are solid FB players... they're just not 6'6", 260, and fast. The book on someone like Bear is... solid blocker, not a lot of speed but has good hands and doesn't fumble.
Well, that's all JR is looking for. He doesn't need the next Mark Bavaro, or Tony Gonzales... just someone reliable who isn't going to mess up and miss a block or drop one of the 2 passes Eli might throw his way.

You're 100% on the money re Reese's overall approach.

HOWEVER, if I'm honest with myself, I wouldn't say no to a Mark Bavaro 2.0......:)

greenca190

06-09-2012, 05:46 PM

No offense every one. But this approach spelled out just seems like common sense.

"Get guys that don't fumble..."

Him, like any GM, look for coachable guys that study the fundamentals of football.

zimonami

06-09-2012, 05:55 PM

You're right... but, JR is wise... he looks for solid players to fill in the gaps... they don't have to be name stars to catch his eye.
For example, there are hundreds of TE's in any college class... guys that are solid FB players... they're just not 6'6", 260, and fast. The book on someone like Bear is... solid blocker, not a lot of speed but has good hands and doesn't fumble.
Well, that's all JR is looking for. He doesn't need the next Mark Bavaro, or Tony Gonzales... just someone reliable who isn't going to mess up and miss a block or drop one of the 2 passes Eli might throw his way.

You're 100% on the money re Reese's overall approach.

HOWEVER, if I'm honest with myself, I wouldn't say no to a Mark Bavaro 2.0......:)
Another Bavaro would be a dream. It's been too long.
I'd also appreciate a really stud LB. Doesn't have to be an LT... but a Carson, Banks, Pepper, or Armstead would be nice... and, is overdue.

FloydEddings2

06-09-2012, 06:54 PM

I love Jerry Reese but let's remember that he offered Albert Haynesworth 80mil. Thank you Danny Snyder! He's gotten some luck along the way. I'd say it's a toss-up beween him and Ozzie Newsome for best exec.

greenca190

06-09-2012, 07:15 PM

I love Jerry Reese but let's remember that he offered Albert Haynesworth 80mil. Thank you Danny Snyder! He's gotten some luck along the way. I'd say it's a toss-up beween him and Ozzie Newsome for best exec.

He might have. For all we know, that might have been the least amount offered him by any team in the league. We also don't know if that was a 6 year, 80 Million, 50 Million guaranteed contract, or 6 year, 80 Million, 11 Million guaranteed, with an option after the third year. Making it, technically, three years, eleven million dollars.

Look at the contract Gronkowski signed yesterday. 6 years, 52 million. In reality, 16.5 is guaranteed money, and he can be cut after the third year without any cap penalty.

miked1958

06-09-2012, 09:25 PM

You're right... but, JR is wise... he looks for solid players to fill in the gaps... they don't have to be name stars to catch his eye.
For example, there are hundreds of TE's in any college class... guys that are solid FB players... they're just not 6'6", 260, and fast. The book on someone like Bear is... solid blocker, not a lot of speed but has good hands and doesn't fumble.
Well, that's all JR is looking for. He doesn't need the next Mark Bavaro, or Tony Gonzales... just someone reliable who isn't going to mess up and miss a block or drop one of the 2 passes Eli might throw his way.

You're 100% on the money re Reese's overall approach.

HOWEVER, if I'm honest with myself, I wouldn't say no to a Mark Bavaro 2.0......:)
Another Bavaro would be a dream. It's been too long.
I'd also appreciate a really stud LB. Doesn't have to be an LT... but a Carson, Banks, Pepper, or Armstead would be nice... and, is overdue.Yes but Reese has equaled what George Young did with all those guys you mentioned without actually having an LT, Banks, Carson, Jessie or bavaro to work with

FBomb

06-09-2012, 09:45 PM

I think "lemons" is misleading. JR simply has an eye for finding diamonds in the rough.</P>

But let's spread the wealth to the coaches that coach them up as well.</P>

zimonami

06-09-2012, 09:46 PM

You're right... but, JR is wise... he looks for solid players to fill in the gaps... they don't have to be name stars to catch his eye.
For example, there are hundreds of TE's in any college class... guys that are solid FB players... they're just not 6'6", 260, and fast. The book on someone like Bear is... solid blocker, not a lot of speed but has good hands and doesn't fumble.
Well, that's all JR is looking for. He doesn't need the next Mark Bavaro, or Tony Gonzales... just someone reliable who isn't going to mess up and miss a block or drop one of the 2 passes Eli might throw his way.

You're 100% on the money re Reese's overall approach.

HOWEVER, if I'm honest with myself, I wouldn't say no to a Mark Bavaro 2.0......:)
Another Bavaro would be a dream. It's been too long.
I'd also appreciate a really stud LB. Doesn't have to be an LT... but a Carson, Banks, Pepper, or Armstead would be nice... and, is overdue.Yes but Reese has equaled what George Young did with all those guys you mentioned without actually having an LT, Banks, Carson, Jessie or bavaro to work with
You have to wonder... How? The '86 team was solid in veery position. Bavaro being better, their OL being far better. Simms was playing very well, so you couldn't sat Eli was a big advantage. Our WR's are far superior now. Everyone used to wonder how good Phil would be with better receivers, I don't know that Phil ever had a single Pro Bowl WR.
Phil had a great running game
JR and Coughlin do every bit as well as George Young and Parcells ever did.

zimonami

06-09-2012, 11:00 PM

I think "lemons" is misleading.* JR simply has an eye for finding diamonds in the rough.</P>

But let's spread the wealth to the coaches that coach them up as well.</P>
True dat.
With all our criticism, Coughlin stays with them and they've gotten the job done. Fewll did a great job with the DB's considering the injuries and the rookie, Prince, being thrust in there.
I've had my issues with Kildrive, but Eli is comfortable with the system and makes it work. Mike Pope does a fabulous job with very average and ever-changing TE's.

BlueBlitzer

06-10-2012, 05:40 PM

Oh I totally agree, about Jerry finding gems. I meant when we needed or wanted a certain player, but were not able to sign. The situation was the Lemon that JR had to deal with. ( Not any individual player )