By all means, Snoop, don’t take the shots…and never ever let any children of yours get them. Encourage others to refuse them as well.

Because the rest of us rather badly need resources…and a nice mass die off that selectively wipes out incredibly stupid people would be a godsend. It might be some communal work to bury all of you idiots…like the ’16 pandemic…but in a few years time, freed of the burden of carrying the mentally incompetent deadweight that happily lap up any stray idiocy that rambles past them, we’ll be on our way to a smarter healthier future.

http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

Side note: my grandad administered the early polio vaccine in Ohio when it was first becoming a national standard for prevention. There were no Tea Partiers or Alex Jones fans then…in those days the ‘Birchers’ were all the rage among frustrated older white males who were sure that commies were behind every corner and the govt was full of em and they were using vaccines to kill us all!!. Grandad gave his kids the shots in front of the whole school and town just to prove that he believed it was safe…and people finally started taking them.

It’s been about 50+ odd years now…people vs polio. Guess which one is still around in the USA? One hint: it ain’t f*ckin’ polio.

E.w. Modemac

In B4 “Big Pharma” idiots and “mercury in flu vaccines!” morons: there AIN’T NO MERCURY in the flu vaccine. There *was* a trace amount of a mercury *compound* called thimerosal, and there still is in some “multi dose” vaccines – but they took the thimerosal OUT of nearly all vaccines in the early 90s when the “flu vaccine causes autism” fraud scared people away from getting their shots. They took it out — and this didn’t affect the rate of occurrence of autism one bit. That’s because the flu shot doesn’t cause autism. By the way, Snoop — I’m sure all of those people with measles in England right now are just thrilled that you’re telling people not to get their shots. They didn’t, and look what’s happened so far. Snoop, you’re nothing more than a brain dead idiot, and this is only the latest in a long line of moronic attention-grabbing craps from you. ( And here’s some actual verification that the flu vaccine DOES NOT CAUSE AUTISM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW1IEqKuf6s and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6gpw_Deth8 )

BuzzCoastin

Big Pharma is not your friend
every 14 minutes, a person is killed by prescription drugs
Big Pharma is the 3rd highest leading cause of death in the US.

according to the CDC figures for 2009,
Big Pharma drugs and iatrogenic deaths
(deaths caused by Western medicine and doctors)
were more deadly than Stroke, Alzheimer’s, diabetes,
influenza and pneumonia, and nephritis.

E.w. Modemac

Please show us a link to these “CDC figures for 2009,” so that we can see them for ourselves. Please show us a link to “every 14 minutes a person is killed by prescription drugs.” Provide us with some data to back up your claims, and then we’ll be more willing to accept them.

BuzzCoastin

please learn how to google
it’s a search engine
you type in words and magically
they tell you where to go

E.w. Modemac

You’re the one making the claims – you back them up. The burden of proof is on the accuser. I’m not going to make an outlandish statement and then expect someone else to do all the work.

BuzzCoastin

LMAO
you think this is a court
it’s a friggin Internet billboard
yer friend Carolyn Dean wrote a book about it
Death by Medicine
why not just read that

E.w. Modemac

In other words, you don’t have any actual data to back up your statements of the “CDC figures for 2009″ and “every 14 minutes a person is killed by prescription
drugs.” I’m not surprised.

I used to work for Pfizer in New London, CT. I worked in IT for the Phase 2 & 3 drug study Electronic Data Collection stuff. My official title was “contractor”, but unofficially, I was called the Backend Changer (which kind of bothered me in a pubescent way). Needless to say, I wrote small PL/SQL scripts to delete Adverse Event pages from the DB w/o an audit trail (the app itself had an audit trail and a means for deleting/modifying pages) – that is, in direct contravention of 21 CFR Part 11. I couldn’t always say if the particular page in a particular study was actually meaningful, but it bothered me none the less. To that end, I created a set of “history tables” and some utilities that could track changes back like Apple’s Timemachine does. Just before that went into production, I was “escorted out of the building” with the comment that there was no more work to be done. To be fair, i was a pretty shitty employee, and the more I saw, the less motivated I was to even show up. That said, the culture there was as Republican as it gets (they sponsored a luncheon with Rob Simmons in 2002 which even contractors were paid to attend), and their views on the FDA were more of a thing to be managed than submitted to.

It opened my eyes to the nature of Big Pharma – I’m pretty certain that sometime after the polio vaccine, they got together and said, “Never again will we CURE anything. The new business model is ‘Disease Management'”.

BuzzCoastin

sounds familiar
I spent a lot of time huckstering in Big Medicine
and have collaborated with Big Pharma in the past
and yeah
they have no cures
it’s all about maintenance of symptoms
many of which are induced by Big Pharma & Big Food

BuzzCoastin

people vs polio
FYI:
1) The number of polio cases was declining before the widespread administration of the Salk vaccine.
2) Cases which had previously been reported as polio are now reported as meningitis.
3) The risk of contracting polio from the live virus vaccine is greater than the risk of acquiring the disease from naturally occurring viruses.
PS:
Edward Hooper’s book “The River: A Journey to the Source of HIV and AIDS” suggests that AIDS may be the result of a live virus polio vaccine administered in Africa in the 1950s. According to Hooper, the vaccine may have been contaminated with a simian (monkey) virus. This virus is thought to have evolved into the HIV virus.

http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

1) Stat decline was within measurable expectations…but unlike other countries, post vaccine we didn’t experience a resurge…we experienced an near total absence.

2) You do know that meningitis has almost spectacularly different final symptoms from polio, right? I suspect you read something proposed by someone on the wide old interwebs…and I’m sure it seemed convicing…I’m just saying…you might wanna do some independent research on both before quoting an outrageous falsehood that doesn’t even hold up to cursory glances.

3) live virus is wayy out of style

4) suggests and may have are pretty vague assertions…but I’m open to the idea that a more mild virus may have mutated during african trials and resulted in the eventual arrival of HIV as we know it. Not saying its certain, just possible.

Nothing personal dude, but there are people selling a line of shit thats been sold before…and they’re selling it for the same reasons. Scaremongering is as old as time, and my family graveyard up north is peppered with people that died in various outbreaks…smallpox, rubella, whooping cough, influenza etc, not to mention two polio survivors in the family that were young when it had a surge in the 40s. Ya know when the graveyard stopped suddenly including deaths from disease outbreaks? Shortly after the fifties. After that, everyone in the family started living to old age and dropping from cancer.

It’s one thing to assume that corporation and governments are liars and scum…this broadly speaking would be not only true, but the only safe assumption to make. But theres enough real criminal conduct to keep people outraged for a hundred lifetimes without adding fiction to the mix (which honestly…is probably why this stuff crops up…because it keeps people furious about trivia instead of focused on serious issues.)

If ya think the govt wants a mass pandemic and many deaths…they wouldn’t have to go thru the effort of making a death cocktail vaccine to give everyone…they’d just have to spread the rumor that vaccines are evil…and when enough people stop using them…pow…piles o corpses.

BuzzCoastin

so let’s see if I got this right
the people who brought you thalidomide
and are the third largest cause of death in the US
can be trusted when it comes to vaccines
bad assumption to make

no I don’t assume they’re aiming for genocide
I think they’re aiming for parasitic purposes
keep the hosts alive long enough to milk the cash out of’em
90% of our medical bills come in the last 5 years of life

they have no cures
only symptom relievers

http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

Note that I didn’t use the word ‘trust’ lol. I have the deepest suspicion regarding any corporation and its urge for cash.

But in this case, it may have less to do with nobility and more to do with government not liking it when the entire nation shut down and unproductively hid in their houses for weeks. When the drones stop fetching and stepping and suddenly die off in droves, even the queens start to be inconvenienced. The upper crust would find that more than sufficient justification to guard the herd against random mass deaths.

That may sound more than a little cynical, but I honestly suspect that this is why those vaccines are readily available.

But as for other meds…holy shit are some of them bad…especially those created for long term use in the last 20 years. Ever since we stripped away protections for safe testing, we’ve been flooded with prescriptions that might help one issue, but risk causing 12 others. Grandad was also an opponent of letting drug companies advertise or dictate policy to doctors and insurers…because he knew the same truth we both know: they’re in it for money…do NOT trust a person or group whose sole interest is the financial rewards from the transaction.

BuzzCoastin

Why would you advocate the use of products
from people you don’t trust?

I’m not anti-vaccines per se
but I don’t trust Big Pharma at all
and I never give them the benefit of the doubt
because they have been proven to be untrustworthy
willing to maim & injure in pursuit of money

http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

Good question. Honestly, it has more to do with risk vs gain measurements. Mass death versus risk of potentially tainted supply that includes treatable illness for profit. I fall on the ‘no mass death’ side. Weighing the risks of a possibility against a statistically measurable past certainty…I pick the lesser of two horrorshows…and settle for calling for higher levels of scrutiny on the industry as a safeguard instead of an absolute shutdown.

Gotta go man…storm warning sirens went off…time to shut down, prtect the comp and enjoy some quiet shelter time downstairs witha book and some well chosen supplies. peace!

E.w. Modemac

Quite simply, I would rather trust the word of my family doctor, who is not “paid by Big Pharma,” over the word of a conspiracy theorist. And *especially* over the word of Snoop Dogg/Lion.

BuzzCoastin

Dude, your family doc is paid by Big Pharma
that’s been common knowledge since the late 80’s

Abbie Hoffman blew the whistle on it the 60’s
he was a pusher for Big Pharma
before becoming a revolutionary

David Duke-Astin

don’t work too hard on buzz. he might be more performance artist than adversary.

E.w. Modemac

When thalidomide caused all of those birth defects and other morbidities, the truth was quickly revealed through investigation. Big Pharma was not successful in its attempts to cover it up. That was sixty years ago. Sixty years later, there has still been no evidence whatsoever that the flu shot in general is harmful. (I say “in general” because there is still that 1-in-1-million possibility of an adverse reaction. This is well known, and it is plainly stated in every statement, even ones by Big Pharma.) Hundreds of millions of people are vaccinated every year with the flu vaccine. There are not hundreds of millions, or millions, or thousands, or hundreds of people who have had adverse reactions to the flu shot. Like any manufactured product, there *have* been instances of bad batches of the vaccine, but these ones have been revealed through investigation and taken out of distribution. That only reinforces the evidence that the flu shot is safe and effective. Furthermore, your own reasoning that it is more profitable to keep people alive is still another argument in favor of vaccination. Vaccination saves lives and helps extend lifespans. Vaccination is inexpensive, especially when compared to the overwhelming medical expenses that come from treatment of a disease contracted by someone who has not been vaccinated.

BuzzCoastin

do whatever you like
just cause people are jumpin’ off bridges
don’t mean I have to join’em
and as long as people like you don’t force me too
no problem
get two shots if you think it helps

I’m scheduled for a re-edumacation vaccine
early next week
my family physician told me it was safe
the FDA says it safe
and a majority of Merkins tell me it’s safe
and Snoop said it was kewl bones too
so
next week I’ll be thinking normal
juz like everyone is supposed to

might even use sentances & grmmer too

David Duke-Astin

I’m sorry, but the expression is “cool beans”. Kelly Clarkson said.

BuzzCoastin

Snoop can says it howlever he wantz

David Duke-Astin

wait one minizzle

E.w. Modemac

The number of polio fatalities was declining due to the use of medical devices such as the iron lung. We don’t see iron lungs any more because polio has been almost entirely eradicated by vaccination. Edward Hooper is a crackpot conspiracy theorist who published a book intended to scare people: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v428/n6985/abs/428820a.html

echar

I will trust Snoop’s word on bitches, hos, buds, and selling murder as entertainment. As for an authority on vaccines, I am more likely to take Ashton Kutchers word on cameras.

InfvoCuernos

Never take medical advice from a guy wearing a koala hat- that’s another one of my “headgear rules”.

VaudeVillain

My take on the vaccine “debate”, such as it is:

On the one side, we have knowledgeable, capable, respectable doctors and scientists working in an establishment where discrediting others’ research is proven to be a viable business model broadly endorsing the practice, with a reasonable concern that profit motives can trump sound medical procedure (and known cases of this happening). It’s definitely not perfect, and if you’re inattentive it is easy to get suckered in by false implications and salesmanship, but the real question is of moral integrity and motives, rather than competence.

On the other side, we have Snoop Lion, Alex Jones, and myriad other personalities whose primary claim to legitimacy is, in essence, their personal celebrity, working in an establishment that rewards garnering attention and is not particularly well-known for punishing liars and scams. It is also definitely not perfect, and there is enormous evidence to suggest that the entire enterprise practically operates on the premise of false implications and salesmanship with virtually all rewards going to those individuals who best excel in these areas. What they are not, however, is credible medical researchers engaging in genuine scientific research, and essentially without exception they are wholly unqualified to do so by any measure. I do not doubt the moral integrity or motives of Snoop… actually I do, but I don’t think he has any particular reason to lie about this particular subject, so close enough… but I see absolutely no evidence to suggest he is competent to make these claims with any authority.

In essence, I am forced to choose between smart people who know what they’re talking about but might be lying for personal gain, or not-so-smart people who do not know what they are talking about and are explicitly talking for personal gain. This is hardly a real choice.