What happened was that F30 was supposed to be light, but when the magazines drove it to the scales, it was heavy and a big disappointment.

It wasn't supposed to be light, it was reported to be 88 lbs lighter on average for equivalent-equipped models. That's just a bit over two percent on average, so not a big difference overall, and not universally significantly lighter.

Car and Driver (ONE magazine) found their F30 335i test model to be 77 pounds heavier than a similar E90 335i they had tested, but they noted that a good chunk of that weight gain was due to the upgraded 19" wheels and run-flats.

That's pretty negligible considering the models weren't equipped equivalent, and including the heavier wheels and tires, even assuming the scale is 100% accurate for both measurements.

I haven't seen any other report showing a heavier measurement.

Bigger savings obviously with the 328i series, which is notably lighter this round versus the ol' V6.

So I'm not sure how one would accurately state this: "it was heavy and a big disappointment."

Given what happened with the E90-to-F30 transition, why would you think this?

What happened was that F30 was supposed to be light, but when the magazines drove it to the scales, it was heavy and a big disappointment.

Let's compare the production versions. The actual 4-series test cars are out there and don't look nearly as good as the concept car.

You are either talking out of your ass or trolling.

I've heard that the electric steering is a bit of a let-down. I'm an xDrive guy so I don't care. Other than that, the worst I've heard is that the F30 is a little less edgy than the E90 and might be aimed at a different buying preference. That's different than "a big disappointment". Actually I'm coming off of an E60, so the direction the F30 has gone appeals to my preference and I bet I am not alone.

The F30 was a Motor Trend Car of the Year finalist again and is on the Car and Driver 10Best list, again. It's a fantastic car unless someone has a personal agenda for it not being one, like maybe they bought an E90 six months ago.

Let us know more about all the uncamouflaged test F32 cars you've been seeing. Send us a picture of one of them. And post your sources for these scathing reviews of the F30. Because I'm not running across them myself.

The integrated idrive screen on the old coupe looked much better. And those new cup holders are awful. It's a car not a Starbucks, BMW shouldn't be encouraging people to be driving whilst juggling with hot drinks. Crazy.

The integrated idrive screen on the old coupe looked much better. And those new cup holders are awful. It's a car not a Starbucks, BMW shouldn't be encouraging people to be driving whilst juggling with hot drinks. Crazy.

Bumpers are way over designed.

Apart from that, good job BMW!

I think I actually disagree with everything you wrote there. There's no accounting for taste, but I can't figure how the cupholders in the F30 aren't an improvement over the E9x. And I don't need anyone to govern my behavior as regards coffee in my car.

It wasn't supposed to be light, it was reported to be 88 lbs lighter on average for equivalent-equipped models. That's just a bit over two percent on average, so not a big difference overall, and not universally significantly lighter.

Car and Driver (ONE magazine) found their F30 335i test model to be 77 pounds heavier than a similar E90 335i they had tested, but they noted that a good chunk of that weight gain was due to the upgraded 19" wheels and run-flats.

That's pretty negligible considering the models weren't equipped equivalent, and including the heavier wheels and tires, even assuming the scale is 100% accurate for both measurements.

I haven't seen any other report showing a heavier measurement.

Bigger savings obviously with the 328i series, which is notably lighter this round versus the ol' V6.

So I'm not sure how one would accurately state this: "it was heavy and a big disappointment."

It was supposed to be lighter, but turned out to be heavier, which was big disappointment for me personally.

I've heard that the electric steering is a bit of a let-down. I'm an xDrive guy so I don't care. Other than that, the worst I've heard is that the F30 is a little less edgy than the E90 and might be aimed at a different buying preference. That's different than "a big disappointment". Actually I'm coming off of an E60, so the direction the F30 has gone appeals to my preference and I bet I am not alone.

The F30 was a Motor Trend Car of the Year finalist again and is on the Car and Driver 10Best list, again. It's a fantastic car unless someone has a personal agenda for it not being one, like maybe they bought an E90 six months ago.

Let us know more about all the uncamouflaged test F32 cars you've been seeing. Send us a picture of one of them. And post your sources for these scathing reviews of the F30. Because I'm not running across them myself.

I meant I was disappointed for F30 weighing more than e90. Cars are growing bigger, but I'd how 3-series to grow slower, at least as long as 1-series and 2-series have not grown big enough for my taste.

However, 4-series has a chance to weigh the same as e92. Let's see what happens. The car looks good, but the camouflaged test cars have e92 kind of exhaust, for example, and the actual cars will most likely look more ordinary than the concept.