these are just the old plugins from unbehagen's archive. they are said to be broken but both work fine for me. if the redtube plugin tries to play the file but can't quite manage it you can either update your xbmc to the latest build, or use the white button and play it with the dvdplayer. if anyone knows how to edit the youporn plugin so that it loads the thumbnails in the background that would speed it up no end and i'd be much obliged. danke