I'm absolutely sick of hearing people saying "well we shouldn't have won those games anyway" - bullshit, if that's the mentality then why even bother turning up?

If Burnley had the same mentality as us then they'd have been somewhere near the bottom and crying about their hard start to the season, instead they're 6th in the league with 12 points having played Liverpool, Everton, Spurs & Chelsea AWAY, collecting 8 points from those games

We've got a losers mentality at the club and I'm sick of it, our squad cost 3 times as much as theirs did, our manager is on 12 TIMES their managers wage & yet it's universally accepted that our season didn't start until after the United game - it's fucking pathetic

Now we've got the owner coming out and telling us that the players are "tired" - they're paid millions every year to basically stay fit and play matches, so turn it in.

I'm absolutely sick of hearing people saying "well we shouldn't have won those games anyway" - bullshit, if that's the mentality then why even bother turning up?

If Burnley had the same mentality as us then they'd have been somewhere near the bottom and crying about their hard start to the season, instead they're 6th in the league with 12 points having played Liverpool, Everton, Spurs & Chelsea AWAY, collecting 8 points from those games

We've got a losers mentality at the club and I'm sick of it, our squad cost 3 times as much as theirs did, our manager is on 12 TIMES their managers wage & yet it's universally accepted that our season didn't start until after the United game - it's fucking pathetic

Now we've got the owner coming out and telling us that the players are "tired" - they're paid millions every year to basically stay fit and play matches, so turn it in.

Fair enough. I'm more concerned about the here and now though. Granted he steadied a rocky ship last season but this season the wheels seem to have fallen off and a lot of it seems to be of his own making. Frustrating to watch as we all had high hopes but his insistence on playing a system that doesn't work is proving his undoing.

I feel Moshiri has not done anything too off here, with the exception of accepting defeat to the big clubs as being normal.He's trying to make it clear Koeman will not be going anywhere in the short term - which I think needed some sort of statement after the results we have been getting.Also, saying he will give Koeman "support" to me means he will give him whatever he needs to get the job done. It doesn't mean he necessarily has faith that he will get us out of this mess, just that he plans on giving Koeman the tools he asks for. If it doesn't work out though - then you would hope he will not hesitate in sacking him.At least, that's how I like to read it.

With the players to hand, do you think another manager would be doing that much better?

I'm not so sure; apart from the 10's in the pack, we don't have many cards to play - certainly no kings or aces (at the moment) just a joker card off the bench

Koeman can only play with the hand he's dealt - and I'm not so sure if he's happy with the dealer

Come January, we may well come up trumps!

Yeah i think a manager that came in and actually spoke to the players with respect, gave them some confidence, then it would help massively. We have good players, some great players. But they play half heartedly. We need someone in with man management skills.

In my opinion, the players have just got fed up of the way he works. Maybe they dont agree with how he has treated certain players etc. I duno just speculating but if my boss treated me that way, i wouldnt be running through walls for him/her.

He’s spent roughly £400m on two established premier league squads since he’s been in the league, you’d expect those sort of figures from any experienced manager given that sort of backing. Let alone one who’s the 8th highest remunerated in world football.

You’d also expect better cup performances and at least a resemblance of occasional exciting football against the better teams. Surely that’s not asking to much is it?

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