Fields isn't a small forward. He is a big two guard. There is a big difference between the two of those positions. Fields gets pushed around too easily at the three position both as a defender and as a rebounder. He is an effective defender / rebounder when he has a size advantage over his opponent. Fields needs to remain at the SG position for that to happen.

Toronto should continue to start Pietrus at the small forward position. Pietrus is another big two rather than legit SF but Pietrus has got a lot more physical toughness and can defend the position better than Fields can.

Someone needs to get Fields out of Toronto and back playing at his natural position. It's a shame to see quality players like Fields wasted away by badly managed teams like Toronto.

Hey, Green took a charge out there. I'd been complaining all season that none of the roleplayers besides Collins and Sullinger try to take charges so it was good to see Green step up and take one. I don't care as much what he does on offense. Despite the Celtics' scoring struggles, they have enough other offensive weapons usually out there with Green that they don't need him to be a scorer. I wish the Green that played the first half in the last game against Milwaukee was more of the norm, the one that caused havoc on defense with his size and speed and turned defense into offense. I'd just like to see more consistent overall energy,

Anyone who wants to trade Jeff Green had better have a decent replacement coming back - just not some scrub.

The problem is you don't want a really decent player when Paul Pierce plays 35 minutes or around night in and night out. Name me a star SF being replaced by a really high-caliber player when he goes to the bench. I don't think LBJ, Durant, Carmelo, Gay, or someone that could go in that list has such a replacement.

Jeff Green is already decent. The problem is that he'll probably never be much more than that.

A lot of fans seem to have talked themselves into believing that Green will eventually become a star-level player, a capable replacement for Paul Pierce. That's not happening. Green will show flashes of brilliance, but I think he'll always be an inconsistent player.

I completely agree with this. And that's what we signed up for. Many on this blog don't seem to understand that in today's NBA, a decent yet inconsistent 6'10" combo SF/PF with a variety of skills costs $8-9M per year. Just the way it is.

I mean...we did get him (plus Kristic plus a draft pick) for Kendrick Perkins. If we got the next Pierce in that deal, it would have been the trade of the century.

Jeff Green is already decent. The problem is that he'll probably never be much more than that.

A lot of fans seem to have talked themselves into believing that Green will eventually become a star-level player, a capable replacement for Paul Pierce. That's not happening. Green will show flashes of brilliance, but I think he'll always be an inconsistent player.

I completely agree with this. And that's what we signed up for. Many on this blog don't seem to understand that in today's NBA, a decent yet inconsistent 6'10" combo SF/PF with a variety of skills costs $8-9M per year. Just the way it is.

I mean...we did get him (plus Kristic plus a draft pick) for Kendrick Perkins. If we got the next Pierce in that deal, it would have been the trade of the century.

Im wondering why we're ok with accepting terms like decent, inconsistent, average, etc. Thats not what I sign a long term contract for. The guy so far this year is a bust. He plays hard when he wants to. He stood around last night most of the time. For as much heat that guys like Terry, Bass, Lee get, I'll say this much, at least they play with some agression. When Green's out there on the court he needs to play like he wants Paul pIerces spot. He plays like he doesnt care. Play like you wanna be here and be the star, and maybe one day you will.

Jeff Green is already decent. The problem is that he'll probably never be much more than that.

A lot of fans seem to have talked themselves into believing that Green will eventually become a star-level player, a capable replacement for Paul Pierce. That's not happening. Green will show flashes of brilliance, but I think he'll always be an inconsistent player.

I completely agree with this. And that's what we signed up for. Many on this blog don't seem to understand that in today's NBA, a decent yet inconsistent 6'10" combo SF/PF with a variety of skills costs $8-9M per year. Just the way it is.

I mean...we did get him (plus Kristic plus a draft pick) for Kendrick Perkins. If we got the next Pierce in that deal, it would have been the trade of the century.

A decent, inconsistent player has to cost 8-9 million a year? That's just the way the business of NBA basketball works? And you've come to grips with this before most?

Sure there are inconsistent and decent players who got bad contracts that pay them as much as a Green but good teams try and not make that mistake. A team doesn't have to sign one of those players to a bad contract. It's not the cost of doing business.

Here are the players making about as much as Green:

Biedrins: Bad deal due to heavy deterioration of abilities; not a bad deal at the time though

Nash:More than worth it.

Ryan Anderson: Worth it. And better than decent.

Shawn Marion: Worth it and better than decent

Millsap: Worth it and better than decent

Jameer Nelson: Not having the greatest of seasons thus far but I happen to think he's worth it and been a 8-9 million player or better in the past

Mo Williams: Worth it, solid point and better than decent anyway

Rodney Stuckey: Struggled and probably not worth it. More of a MLE player like Green.

Devin Harris: Not worth it now.

Jeremy Lin: Not worth it thus far, although better lately.

Omer Asik: Oh yes.

Anderson Varejao: Yes again

Thaddeus Young: Very solid player and what I wish Green could be like

Marvin Williams: Nope

Lamar Odom: Besides last season, well worth it

Villaneueva/Tyrus Thomas/John Salmons: No

So anyway, while there are some players making 8-9 million a year who are inconsistent and just decent, even at best, saying that is the norm is wrong. For 8-9 million, many teams are getting their money's worth and more. The quality of the players who get that amount are usually pretty good or better. The badly run teams sign undeserving players to 8-9 million a year. I wish the Celtics didn't number among them.

Jeff Green is already decent. The problem is that he'll probably never be much more than that.

A lot of fans seem to have talked themselves into believing that Green will eventually become a star-level player, a capable replacement for Paul Pierce. That's not happening. Green will show flashes of brilliance, but I think he'll always be an inconsistent player.

I completely agree with this. And that's what we signed up for. Many on this blog don't seem to understand that in today's NBA, a decent yet inconsistent 6'10" combo SF/PF with a variety of skills costs $8-9M per year. Just the way it is.

I mean...we did get him (plus Kristic plus a draft pick) for Kendrick Perkins. If we got the next Pierce in that deal, it would have been the trade of the century.

A decent, inconsistent player has to cost 8-9 million a year? That's just the way the business of NBA basketball works? And you've come to grips with this before most?

Sure there are inconsistent and decent players who got bad contracts that pay them as much as a Green but good teams try and not make that mistake. A team doesn't have to sign one of those players to a bad contract. It's not the cost of doing business.

Here are the players making about as much as Green:

Biedrins: Bad deal due to heavy deterioration of abilities; not a bad deal at the time though

Nash:More than worth it.

Ryan Anderson: Worth it. And better than decent.

Shawn Marion: Worth it and better than decent

Millsap: Worth it and better than decent

Jameer Nelson: Not having the greatest of seasons thus far but I happen to think he's worth it and been a 8-9 million player or better in the past

Mo Williams: Worth it, solid point and better than decent anyway

Rodney Stuckey: Struggled and probably not worth it. More of a MLE player like Green.

Devin Harris: Not worth it now.

Jeremy Lin: Not worth it thus far, although better lately.

Omer Asik: Oh yes.

Anderson Varejao: Yes again

Thaddeus Young: Very solid player and what I wish Green could be like

Marvin Williams: Nope

Lamar Odom: Besides last season, well worth it

Villaneueva/Tyrus Thomas/John Salmons: No

So anyway, while there are some players making 8-9 million a year who are inconsistent and just decent, even at best, saying that is the norm is wrong. For 8-9 million, many teams are getting their money's worth and more. The quality of the players who get that amount are usually pretty good or better. The badly run teams sign undeserving players to 8-9 million a year. I wish the Celtics didn't number among them.

Those are all your opinions on those players, and they are all in different scenarios than Green, who is stuck on the bench behind Pierce. And you are simply pulling players paid in his range and comparing him to them. WTH is the comp between Green and Steve Nash?

My point was Green has skills and talents that command that kind of money in the NBA. People on this board seem to think that the Celtics just gave him his contract because he asked for it. He was getting paid $9M BEFORE the heart surgery. There are no doubt a number of teams out there that would pay Green the same amount.

And you just compiled a list of decent-to-good NBA players, not All Stars. Exactly my point.

My point was Green has skills and talents that command that kind of money in the NBA. People on this board seem to think that the Celtics just gave him his contract because he asked for it. He was getting paid $9M BEFORE the heart surgery. There are no doubt a number of teams out there that would pay Green the same amount.

He is also inconsistent. This is why people do not like him. I do not know if he can adapt to playing off the bench at this point it looks like a huge no.