Raising your own animals and not giving them a bunch of hormones and anti-biotics is all well and good, but it's not a reasonable expectation for most people. I don't live on a farm, but on a 1/4 acre lot in a subdivision in a city with a metro area of more than 2 million people. I have neither the space nor the zoning laws to raise poultry or livestock. Local farms? Bahahaha, there's probably not a farm within 100 miles of my house. I suppose I could go to Whole Foods and pay $12 for a cut of meat that would cost me $3-4 at Albertson's or Smith's, but that doesn't seem very smart to me. Besides, the whole 'organic' movement is fraudulent in more than 1 manner. These grocery stores charge customers a substantial premium on the assumption that their products are a) better for the environment, and b) that they are somehow healthier for the consumer. Both of these have been proven not to be true.

While I do agree with much of your post (It is not feasible to raise your own livestock or poultry if you live in the city, nor is it feasible to pay extremely inflated prices at an "ORGANIC" store), I do not agree with your last two points. There are a good number of studies which prove quite the contrary. Pesticides, herbicides and strong chemical fertilizers have been proven time and time again to be devastating to the natural eco-system. Grass-fed beef has been shown to be lower in fat thereby would naturally be healthier (I will admit though that you will not get quite the same juicy marbling effect as with "regular" beef).

I did want to mention one point I am VERY glad you pointed out......"Certified ORGANIC" is a COMPLETE SCAM!!!!! I was suckered into that whole scam for a while. It is just awful....it is costly and backwards. There are a great many loopholes that are being used by big agriculture that are disturbing. They will sell "Certified Organic" items that are not fit to be fed to pigs let alone humans. GMO's and hybrids can be "Certified Organic" now as long as they follow Organic methods!!!! I spent lots of time, effort and MONEY to sell certified organic for a couple of years, but I am DONE with it!!! It is a scam, and another tax. I still use natural methods, grow heirlooms and try to keep sustainable practices. I am always glad to discuss everything about my operations with any customer or anyone else interested in my methods (I sell at the Farmers Market), but I could care less to have a USDA stamp on my stuff.

If you're doing it for the saving of animals, you're wasting your time. Lots of animals get killed harvesting grains. The machines run animals as big as deer over and turn them into pulp. Personally I would rather be shot with an air gun in the head and instantly die than get run over with a combine.

If you're really that worried I bet you harvest your own grain, and don't use medicine that was devloped using animal testing (most are). If you don't go that far, you're a hypocrite. You worry about animals only when it is convienant for you. You will probably say that I allow the suffering of animals because of meat much more but, you forget I'm not the one with the problem with it. Hell the president of PETA is a diabetic, and uses insulin.

Insulin was devloped by removing the pancreas of dogs. So even this self proclaimed friend of animals has her life enriched by using animals in a manner she deems unsavory. She is a hypocrite, as are you most likely. I will make you a deal, the second an animal looks at me and says "Mike, please don't kill and eat me" I'll stop eating meat.

I'm going to vow to eat 3 times as many animals as I normally would, making your sacrifice useless. Every meat eater that is annoyed by the preaching of crybaby veggie heads, should do the same.

While I do agree with much of your post (It is not feasible to raise your own livestock or poultry if you live in the city, nor is it feasible to pay extremely inflated prices at an "ORGANIC" store), I do not agree with your last two points. There are a good number of studies which prove quite the contrary. Pesticides, herbicides and strong chemical fertilizers have been proven time and time again to be devastating to the natural eco-system. Grass-fed beef has been shown to be lower in fat thereby would naturally be healthier (I will admit though that you will not get quite the same juicy marbling effect as with "regular" beef).

Let me just play Devil's advocate here for a little while. On the subject of fertilizers, it is my understanding that Manure is the preferred fertilizer of choice for the majority of 'organic' farmers, correct? Just like the inorganic fertilizers, the manure is going to be primarily nitrogen, correct? Now, say that you have 2 patches of carrots. Field 1 gets fertilized with manure and field 2 gets fertilized with inorganic fertilizers. Other than that, they are grown in exactly the same manner. Which one is going to be healthier? Technically, they should both have the same amount of nutrients. Nitrogen is nitrogen. Now, the differences occur in other areas: for 1 thing, it is more expensive for the farmer to fertilize with manure than with synthetics, so the cost is going to get passed on. Second, the manure can contain some pathogenic organisms which can be passed on to the consumer, as we have seen with some of the e. coli outbreaks. Third, the manure is bulky and an equal amount of distribution can be difficult across the field adequately.

Now, as for the grass-fed cattle vs. the grain-fed one, I will readily concede that it should indeed be a leaner animal as a result of a grass diet vs a feedlot diet. The question is: how much longer does it take to get an animal large enough to slaughter through grazing vs feeding with grain. 3 years? 4? I would have to do some more research, but I do know that it can take a considerably longer time to get an animal large enough to slaughter through grazing than by feeding them grain. So, during that time, what happens to the animal? Well, it is going to get tougher and the meat will not be anywhere as tender as the yearling calf that was finished out in a feedlot. I know some would say that one gets a more natural flavor with the grass-fed cattle(I never really cared for that yellow fat all that much), so I suppose it would be a tradeoff at best. That grass-fed cow still has to be immunized over that time and fed hay in the winter, which can get rather expensive. Grass-fed cattle still require the occasional shot of penecillin and other medications as they still get sick. As far as the bottom line is concerned, there is no way for our country to go back to a grass-fed model without triggering a steep increase in the price and creating a shortage.

All farming involves manipulating the environment. There is no particular reason to think that dumping manure on food is an environmental improvement over pesticides. That's because "natural" harms (E. coli, salmonella, etc, which are highly evolved to sicken humans) are often far more virulent than technological harms.

For large scale farming operations, sustainable methods are not the easiest. It is a trade off.......McDonalds has quite a bit of "food" for a dollar or less. You would be hard pressed to HOME COOK your own hamburgers for that price, however which one is a healthier choice? Which one tastes better? It is all about choices.

Ok, onto nitrogen is nitrogen....while in some ways that is true, it is all about the methods and retention. Manure is not the ONLY method in which organic farmers’ nitrogenate the soil. Cover Crops like Alfalfa, Red Clover and other Legumes help to naturally fix the nitrogen in the soil. I have planted Alfalfa to help nitrogenate hay fields and pasture and use Red Clover for produce fields. Also, you can either plow in under to aid in nourishing the soil or you can harvest it and save on feed costs. Here is my problem with chemical fertilizers. They tend to "run off"....you spend your money to buy the fertilizer and then it rains and washed a good bunch of it into your ponds, rivers, lakes and other water ways. While there is some run-off with manure, it is to a lesser extent as it has a slower release than many of its chemical counterparts. Run-off is a non-issue with nitrogen fixing legumes. I also use blended compost for my gardens....this is primarily my veggie scraps and eggshells from the kitchen, wood ashes from the wood furnace and lawn clippings. Compost seems to have a slower release than fertilizers as well. Nothing is perfect, and I understand quite well that these methods cannot be used for everyone. Here is my solution to the problem of land and agriculture......FIRST.....GET RID of all the illegal’s....less mouths=less food. Next, get rid of stupid ideas and programs. Corn Ethanol is a WASTE!!!! Perfectly good farmland is being utilized for a government scam. It costs about as much energy to produce corn ethanol as the ethanol will make. Corn is especially hard on the land, especially when grown year after year. That land would be best utilized for producing FOOD.

Sustainable Agriculture is GREAT for independent minded folks who live a bit off the grid. It works for me anyways

I won't tell you what to eat and what to not eat, I will simply say it is not worth buying and supporting tortured meat to simply feed my face when I can live perfectly healthy off other things. Aryans have had this mindset for thousands of years, animals should be our companions, not our tortured food. It dosn't hurt to exclude yourself of all the hormones and chemicals pumped into the meat either.

White people in Europe have ALWAYS eaten meat through history... we were hunters even before we were foragers.

It's impossible for vegans to obtain vitamin B12 (because it comes only from animal products), which is essential for the brain functions. I have seen firsthand the effects of vegan diets on people, specially children: they never fully develop like they would if they had access to milk, eggs, cheese, meat.

White people in Europe have ALWAYS eaten meat through history... we were hunters even before we were foragers.

It's impossible for vegans to obtain vitamin B12 (because it comes only from animal products), which is essential for the brain functions. I have seen firsthand the effects of vegan diets on people, specially children: they never fully develop like they would if they had access to milk, eggs, cheese, meat.

Of course. We were hunters it is what we needed to do for food. Were we to go back to that time I would still support the hunting of animals to feed our kin. However, imprisoning an animal, torturing it, and kosher (or halal) slaughtering it is not an Aryan thing to do. As of my situation right now I can not boycott major agriculture business totally, but it is my eventual goal to become 100% self sufficient. So to start, I refuse to eat a slaughtered animal just to feed my face. I'm pretty sure the Aryans of antiquity, with plenty of other food sources available, would not lock up their cattle and butcher them just cause "its tasty".

For large scale farming operations, sustainable methods are not the easiest. It is a trade off.......McDonalds has quite a bit of "food" for a dollar or less. You would be hard pressed to HOME COOK your own hamburgers for that price, however which one is a healthier choice? Which one tastes better? It is all about choices.

Ok, onto nitrogen is nitrogen....while in some ways that is true, it is all about the methods and retention. Manure is not the ONLY method in which organic farmers’ nitrogenate the soil. Cover Crops like Alfalfa, Red Clover and other Legumes help to naturally fix the nitrogen in the soil. I have planted Alfalfa to help nitrogenate hay fields and pasture and use Red Clover for produce fields. Also, you can either plow in under to aid in nourishing the soil or you can harvest it and save on feed costs. Here is my problem with chemical fertilizers. They tend to "run off"....you spend your money to buy the fertilizer and then it rains and washed a good bunch of it into your ponds, rivers, lakes and other water ways. While there is some run-off with manure, it is to a lesser extent as it has a slower release than many of its chemical counterparts. Run-off is a non-issue with nitrogen fixing legumes. I also use blended compost for my gardens....this is primarily my veggie scraps and eggshells from the kitchen, wood ashes from the wood furnace and lawn clippings. Compost seems to have a slower release than fertilizers as well. Nothing is perfect, and I understand quite well that these methods cannot be used for everyone. Here is my solution to the problem of land and agriculture......FIRST.....GET RID of all the illegal’s....less mouths=less food. Next, get rid of stupid ideas and programs. Corn Ethanol is a WASTE!!!! Perfectly good farmland is being utilized for a government scam. It costs about as much energy to produce corn ethanol as the ethanol will make. Corn is especially hard on the land, especially when grown year after year. That land would be best utilized for producing FOOD.

Sustainable Agriculture is GREAT for independent minded folks who live a bit off the grid. It works for me anyways

Fair enough.

I think any reasonable steward of the land understands that there needs to be some crop rotation. Unfortunately, I don't think that we could ever go back to pure farming without some chemicals. Granted, that depends upon the crop. For instance, we used to have some apple trees when I was a kid. Every year, they would start out nice and strong, but there was no way to keep them from getting worms. And they wouldn't just infect some apples or some trees. They would get into every single apple until they were all infested with worms. I think the only way to prevent this is to spray the trees when they are still in bloom.

Yeah, I would agree that we should start by getting rid of all the illegals, but a ton of them are actually hired out as seasonal workers in one agricultural endeavor or another. So, maybe some of these farmers need to quit hiring them to pick their fruits and vegetables. You know how they have dolphin-free tuna? Well, how about illegal-free fruits and vegetables? Now THAT is something I wouldn't mind paying extra for!!!!

I would also agree that some if not all of these incentives for farmers to grow certain crops. Yep, I agree whole-heartedly concerning ethanol. Corn isn't all bad, though. It still provides a lot of the caloric needs for human and animal consumption. It also provides a nice source of food for the Pheasants, Deer, and many other game and non-game animals. There are worse crops than corn as well. Take Cotton, for instance. Cotton doesn't provide food for anything except boll weevils. To grow cotton, it takes some extremely harsh pesticides like Ferdan and the runoff from that stuff is more potentially harmful than any runoff from fertilizers. Wanna talk out of control subsidies? Traditionally, nobody has brought home the pork like the Cotton farmers, much more on a per acre basis than anybody growing grain. They don't even have much of a textile industry in this country any more, having mostly moved overseas to 3rd world hellholes. Cotton strips the land of its nutrients as well and is a major cause of erosion. Head to Lubbock Texas and you will see some of the worst dust storms imaginable thanks to the cotton fields to the west of that town. Historically, Cotton has been a damaging crop to this country and is the primary source of the negro plague we deal with today.