so - you want us to do your homework for you so you can ride, then brand and re-sell and make a profit off a cheap chinese 29er FS frame. Good luck. Perhaps just buy from a company that's put in some hard R&D efforts and enjoy the ride?

Hmm MTB forum is a lot different to road bike forum. Lots of talk on decent generic road frames over there. Its unlikely I'll end up doing my own bikes, but it is in the back of my mind. I'm developing my own road bike hubs (not off the shelf hubs), and when they are done then MTB hubs, and then when they are done start looking at complete wheels. So it will be some time before I can start thinking about frames.

I know a few companies that do 29ers, just not what I'm looking for. I hoped the friendly WWs crew might help me fine a few more. If I can't find what I'm looking for from a generic company, then yeah I'll start thinking about Giant or Specialized again. I ride a trance and a system6 right now, but would like a 100mm 29er as well.

Thanks, that is a great thread. I still haven't read through the entire thing.

Concentrated on one particular frame, which as you've pointed out has been marketed by some brands name for a huge amount more than the generic Chinese distributors.

But what spiffomatic will be pleased to hear is that the mention of the Santa Cruz Superlight 29er really caught my eye. Frame and shock cost is similar to some of the generic builds, but I know with Santa Cruz's experience the frame and pivots etc will be strong and durable. It only weights half a lb more than the Tallboy carbon, but less than half the price.

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