and in other news, the sun rose again this morning and will set this evening.

And oh, the Patriots***** * suck!

Yeah I wasn't shocked at all. People will go "But they blew out the Colts so it doesn't matter." A) Cheating is still cheating and as I said many times on SF that if I get count cheating on a test that I would have gotten an A on, I'm still a cheater. B) The game that got them to the Colts game was in fact close and if people believe that the Pats* were playing with deflated balls before the AFC Championship game you're deluding yourself.

I agree. I said it on SF Teeg but I knew Brady was lying his ass off at the press conference following the AFC Championship game. The body language and words he used were of a man who knew he was exposed. And I'll continue to call the Pats*- Brady and Belichick especially since they're the constants in the Pats* "dynasty" frauds until they prove they can win without shady means.

Confirmation they are dishonorable - but since they get to keep the Lombardis Belichick & Brady say FU to everyone

Goodell can blame Troy Vincent for not imposing a stronger penalty

Yeah unfortunately that won't change. I really do hope it makes people think when they're calling these guys the best of all time though. What's the saying? Once is an accident, twice is suspicious, thrice is a conspiracy? Not sure but my point is that these guys have a well deserved reputation of being dishonorable in victory and defeat.

"To say we are disappointed in its findings, which do not include any incontrovertible or hard evidence of deliberate deflation of footballs at the AFC Championship Game, would be a gross understatement," Kraft said of the report in a statement.

"While I respect the independent process of the investigation, the time, effort and resources expended to reach this conclusion are incomprehensible to me. Knowing that there is no real recourse available, fighting the league and extending this debate would prove to be futile. We understand and greatly respect the responsibility of being one of 32 in this league and, on that basis, we will accept the findings of the report and take the appropriate actions based on those findings as well as any discipline levied by the league."

2. Several hours before the AFC Championship Game, Jim McNally, the Patriots***employee responsible for delivering the Patriots*** game balls to the game officialsfor pre-game inspection, brought the balls into the Officials Locker Room atGillette Stadium. At or around that time, McNally told the referee, WaltAnderson, that Tom Brady, the Patriots*** quarterback, wanted the game ballsinflated at 12.5 psi. McNally has been employed by the Patriots*** as a seasonal orpart-time employee for the past 32 years. His work for the Patriots*** during the2014-15 NFL season took place only on a part-time/hourly basis on days onwhich the Patriots*** had home games. His legitimate job responsibilities asOfficials Locker Room attendant did not involve the preparation, inflation ordeflation of Patriots*** game balls.

3. During the pre-game inspection, Anderson determined that all but two of thePatriots*** game balls delivered by McNally were properly inflated. Most of themmeasured 12.5 psi. Two tested below 12.5 psi and Anderson directed anothergame official to further inflate those two game balls, which Anderson thenadjusted to 12.5 psi using a pressure gauge. Most of the Colts game balls testedby Anderson prior to the game measured 13.0 or 13.1 psi. Although one or twofootballs may have registered 12.8 or 12.9 psi, it was evident to Anderson that theColts‟ inflation target for the game balls was 13.0 psi. No air was added to orreleased from the Colts game balls pre-game because they were all within thepermissible range.

4. When Anderson and other members of the officiating crew were preparing toleave the Officials Locker Room to head to the field for the start of the game, thegame balls could not be located. It was the first time in Anderson‟s nineteenyears as an NFL official that he could not locate the game balls at the start of agame. Unknown to Anderson, and without Anderson‟s permission or thepermission of any other member of the officiating crew, McNally had taken theballs from the Officials Locker Room towards the playing field. According toAnderson and other members of the officiating crew for the AFC ChampionshipGame, the removal of the game balls from the Officials Locker Room by McNallywithout the permission of the referee or another game official was a breach ofstandard operating pre-game procedure. According to Anderson, other membersof the officiating crew for the AFC Championship Game and other game officialswith recent experience at Gillette Stadium, McNally had not previously removedgame balls from the Officials Locker Room and taken them to the field withouteither receiving permission from the game officials or being accompanied by oneor more officials.

5. Based on videotape evidence and witness interviews, it has been determined thatMcNally removed the game balls from the Officials Locker Room atapproximately 6:30 p.m. After leaving the Officials Locker Room carrying twolarge bags of game balls (Patriots*** balls and Colts balls), McNally turned left andthen turned left again to walk down a corridor referred to by Patriots*** personnel asthe “center tunnel” heading to the playing field. At the end of the center tunnel onthe left-hand side, approximately three feet from the doors that lead to the playingfield, is a bathroom. McNally entered that bathroom with the game balls, lockedthe door, and remained in the bathroom with the game balls for approximately oneminute and forty seconds. He then left the bathroom and took the bags of gameballs to the field.

6. In the weeks and months before the AFC Championship Game, McNallyperiodically exchanged text messages with the Patriots*** equipment assistantprimarily responsible for the preparation of the Patriots*** game balls, JohnJastremski. In a number of those text messages, McNally and Jastremskidiscussed the air pressure of Patriots*** game balls, Tom Brady‟s unhappiness withthe inflation level of Patriots*** game balls, Jastremski‟s plan to provide McNallywith a “needle” for use by McNally, and McNally‟s requests for “cash” andsneakers together with the “needle” to be provided by Jastremski. A sports ballinflation needle is a device that can be used to inflate a football (if attached to anair pump) or release air from a football (if inserted alone into a ball).

http://a.espncdn.com/pdf/2015/0506/PatriotsWellsReport.pdf

Bob Kraft is a lying SOB - the Pats*** got caught and now will contend it is not worth the trouble to fight an "incomprehensible" investigation

"To say we are disappointed in its findings, which do not include any incontrovertible or hard evidence of deliberate deflation of footballs at the AFC Championship Game, would be a gross understatement," Kraft said of the report in a statement.

"While I respect the independent process of the investigation, the time, effort and resources expended to reach this conclusion are incomprehensible to me. Knowing that there is no real recourse available, fighting the league and extending this debate would prove to be futile. We understand and greatly respect the responsibility of being one of 32 in this league and, on that basis, we will accept the findings of the report and take the appropriate actions based on those findings as well as any discipline levied by the league."

2. Several hours before the AFC Championship Game, Jim McNally, the Patriots****employee responsible for delivering the Patriots**** game balls to the game officialsfor pre-game inspection, brought the balls into the Officials Locker Room atGillette Stadium. At or around that time, McNally told the referee, WaltAnderson, that Tom Brady, the Patriots**** quarterback, wanted the game ballsinflated at 12.5 psi. McNally has been employed by the Patriots**** as a seasonal orpart-time employee for the past 32 years. His work for the Patriots**** during the2014-15 NFL season took place only on a part-time/hourly basis on days onwhich the Patriots**** had home games. His legitimate job responsibilities asOfficials Locker Room attendant did not involve the preparation, inflation ordeflation of Patriots**** game balls.

3. During the pre-game inspection, Anderson determined that all but two of thePatriots**** game balls delivered by McNally were properly inflated. Most of themmeasured 12.5 psi. Two tested below 12.5 psi and Anderson directed anothergame official to further inflate those two game balls, which Anderson thenadjusted to 12.5 psi using a pressure gauge. Most of the Colts game balls testedby Anderson prior to the game measured 13.0 or 13.1 psi. Although one or twofootballs may have registered 12.8 or 12.9 psi, it was evident to Anderson that theColts‟ inflation target for the game balls was 13.0 psi. No air was added to orreleased from the Colts game balls pre-game because they were all within thepermissible range.

4. When Anderson and other members of the officiating crew were preparing toleave the Officials Locker Room to head to the field for the start of the game, thegame balls could not be located. It was the first time in Anderson‟s nineteenyears as an NFL official that he could not locate the game balls at the start of agame. Unknown to Anderson, and without Anderson‟s permission or thepermission of any other member of the officiating crew, McNally had taken theballs from the Officials Locker Room towards the playing field. According toAnderson and other members of the officiating crew for the AFC ChampionshipGame, the removal of the game balls from the Officials Locker Room by McNallywithout the permission of the referee or another game official was a breach ofstandard operating pre-game procedure. According to Anderson, other membersof the officiating crew for the AFC Championship Game and other game officialswith recent experience at Gillette Stadium, McNally had not previously removedgame balls from the Officials Locker Room and taken them to the field withouteither receiving permission from the game officials or being accompanied by oneor more officials.

5. Based on videotape evidence and witness interviews, it has been determined thatMcNally removed the game balls from the Officials Locker Room atapproximately 6:30 p.m. After leaving the Officials Locker Room carrying twolarge bags of game balls (Patriots**** balls and Colts balls), McNally turned left andthen turned left again to walk down a corridor referred to by Patriots**** personnel asthe “center tunnel” heading to the playing field. At the end of the center tunnel onthe left-hand side, approximately three feet from the doors that lead to the playingfield, is a bathroom. McNally entered that bathroom with the game balls, lockedthe door, and remained in the bathroom with the game balls for approximately oneminute and forty seconds. He then left the bathroom and took the bags of gameballs to the field.

6. In the weeks and months before the AFC Championship Game, McNallyperiodically exchanged text messages with the Patriots**** equipment assistantprimarily responsible for the preparation of the Patriots**** game balls, JohnJastremski. In a number of those text messages, McNally and Jastremskidiscussed the air pressure of Patriots**** game balls, Tom Brady‟s unhappiness withthe inflation level of Patriots**** game balls, Jastremski‟s plan to provide McNallywith a “needle” for use by McNally, and McNally‟s requests for “cash” andsneakers together with the “needle” to be provided by Jastremski. A sports ballinflation needle is a device that can be used to inflate a football (if attached to anair pump) or release air from a football (if inserted alone into a ball).

http://a.espncdn.com/pdf/2015/0506/PatriotsWellsReport.pdf

Bob Kraft is a lying SOB - the Pats**** got caught and now will contend it is not worth the trouble to fight an "incomprehensible" investigation

Kraft is just as slimy as Belichick and Brady are. I cannot stand hearing this lying asshole called "classy" when he's a dirtbag just like his head coach and franchise QB.

Well this is priceless. Daddy Brady claims Tommy's being framed by the NFL.http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/12835474/tom-brady-sr-says-son-victim-nfl-framegateUh no with all respect, Mr. Brady, your son hasn't cooperated at all with Wells and has acted like a guilty man. He could have cleared his name if he had given the investigators his phone but chose not to. My guess is the cell phone texts would have damned Brady even more than what we already know. As I said capital F-fraud is what Tom is until he proves otherwise. Sorry Papa Brady your son is a disgrace to the sport.

"To say we are disappointed in its findings, which do not include any incontrovertible or hard evidence of deliberate deflation of footballs at the AFC Championship Game, would be a gross understatement," Kraft said of the report in a statement.

"While I respect the independent process of the investigation, the time, effort and resources expended to reach this conclusion are incomprehensible to me. Knowing that there is no real recourse available, fighting the league and extending this debate would prove to be futile. We understand and greatly respect the responsibility of being one of 32 in this league and, on that basis, we will accept the findings of the report and take the appropriate actions based on those findings as well as any discipline levied by the league."

2. Several hours before the AFC Championship Game, Jim McNally, the Patriots*****employee responsible for delivering the Patriots***** game balls to the game officialsfor pre-game inspection, brought the balls into the Officials Locker Room atGillette Stadium. At or around that time, McNally told the referee, WaltAnderson, that Tom Brady, the Patriots***** quarterback, wanted the game ballsinflated at 12.5 psi. McNally has been employed by the Patriots***** as a seasonal orpart-time employee for the past 32 years. His work for the Patriots***** during the2014-15 NFL season took place only on a part-time/hourly basis on days onwhich the Patriots***** had home games. His legitimate job responsibilities asOfficials Locker Room attendant did not involve the preparation, inflation ordeflation of Patriots***** game balls.

3. During the pre-game inspection, Anderson determined that all but two of thePatriots***** game balls delivered by McNally were properly inflated. Most of themmeasured 12.5 psi. Two tested below 12.5 psi and Anderson directed anothergame official to further inflate those two game balls, which Anderson thenadjusted to 12.5 psi using a pressure gauge. Most of the Colts game balls testedby Anderson prior to the game measured 13.0 or 13.1 psi. Although one or twofootballs may have registered 12.8 or 12.9 psi, it was evident to Anderson that theColts‟ inflation target for the game balls was 13.0 psi. No air was added to orreleased from the Colts game balls pre-game because they were all within thepermissible range.

4. When Anderson and other members of the officiating crew were preparing toleave the Officials Locker Room to head to the field for the start of the game, thegame balls could not be located. It was the first time in Anderson‟s nineteenyears as an NFL official that he could not locate the game balls at the start of agame. Unknown to Anderson, and without Anderson‟s permission or thepermission of any other member of the officiating crew, McNally had taken theballs from the Officials Locker Room towards the playing field. According toAnderson and other members of the officiating crew for the AFC ChampionshipGame, the removal of the game balls from the Officials Locker Room by McNallywithout the permission of the referee or another game official was a breach ofstandard operating pre-game procedure. According to Anderson, other membersof the officiating crew for the AFC Championship Game and other game officialswith recent experience at Gillette Stadium, McNally had not previously removedgame balls from the Officials Locker Room and taken them to the field withouteither receiving permission from the game officials or being accompanied by oneor more officials.

5. Based on videotape evidence and witness interviews, it has been determined thatMcNally removed the game balls from the Officials Locker Room atapproximately 6:30 p.m. After leaving the Officials Locker Room carrying twolarge bags of game balls (Patriots***** balls and Colts balls), McNally turned left andthen turned left again to walk down a corridor referred to by Patriots***** personnel asthe “center tunnel” heading to the playing field. At the end of the center tunnel onthe left-hand side, approximately three feet from the doors that lead to the playingfield, is a bathroom. McNally entered that bathroom with the game balls, lockedthe door, and remained in the bathroom with the game balls for approximately oneminute and forty seconds. He then left the bathroom and took the bags of gameballs to the field.

6. In the weeks and months before the AFC Championship Game, McNallyperiodically exchanged text messages with the Patriots***** equipment assistantprimarily responsible for the preparation of the Patriots***** game balls, JohnJastremski. In a number of those text messages, McNally and Jastremskidiscussed the air pressure of Patriots***** game balls, Tom Brady‟s unhappiness withthe inflation level of Patriots***** game balls, Jastremski‟s plan to provide McNallywith a “needle” for use by McNally, and McNally‟s requests for “cash” andsneakers together with the “needle” to be provided by Jastremski. A sports ballinflation needle is a device that can be used to inflate a football (if attached to anair pump) or release air from a football (if inserted alone into a ball).

http://a.espncdn.com/pdf/2015/0506/PatriotsWellsReport.pdf

Bob Kraft is a lying SOB - the Pats***** got caught and now will contend it is not worth the trouble to fight an "incomprehensible" investigation

Kraft is just as slimy as Belichick and Brady are. I cannot stand hearing this lying asshole called "classy" when he's a dirtbag just like his head coach and franchise QB.

Yep, Kraft is a real azz wipe. They probably have been doing this for a very long time. And they wonder why folks jack they're cheating azz up all the time.

"To say we are disappointed in its findings, which do not include any incontrovertible or hard evidence of deliberate deflation of footballs at the AFC Championship Game, would be a gross understatement," Kraft said of the report in a statement.

"While I respect the independent process of the investigation, the time, effort and resources expended to reach this conclusion are incomprehensible to me. Knowing that there is no real recourse available, fighting the league and extending this debate would prove to be futile. We understand and greatly respect the responsibility of being one of 32 in this league and, on that basis, we will accept the findings of the report and take the appropriate actions based on those findings as well as any discipline levied by the league."

2. Several hours before the AFC Championship Game, Jim McNally, the Patriots******employee responsible for delivering the Patriots****** game balls to the game officialsfor pre-game inspection, brought the balls into the Officials Locker Room atGillette Stadium. At or around that time, McNally told the referee, WaltAnderson, that Tom Brady, the Patriots****** quarterback, wanted the game ballsinflated at 12.5 psi. McNally has been employed by the Patriots****** as a seasonal orpart-time employee for the past 32 years. His work for the Patriots****** during the2014-15 NFL season took place only on a part-time/hourly basis on days onwhich the Patriots****** had home games. His legitimate job responsibilities asOfficials Locker Room attendant did not involve the preparation, inflation ordeflation of Patriots****** game balls.

3. During the pre-game inspection, Anderson determined that all but two of thePatriots****** game balls delivered by McNally were properly inflated. Most of themmeasured 12.5 psi. Two tested below 12.5 psi and Anderson directed anothergame official to further inflate those two game balls, which Anderson thenadjusted to 12.5 psi using a pressure gauge. Most of the Colts game balls testedby Anderson prior to the game measured 13.0 or 13.1 psi. Although one or twofootballs may have registered 12.8 or 12.9 psi, it was evident to Anderson that theColts‟ inflation target for the game balls was 13.0 psi. No air was added to orreleased from the Colts game balls pre-game because they were all within thepermissible range.

4. When Anderson and other members of the officiating crew were preparing toleave the Officials Locker Room to head to the field for the start of the game, thegame balls could not be located. It was the first time in Anderson‟s nineteenyears as an NFL official that he could not locate the game balls at the start of agame. Unknown to Anderson, and without Anderson‟s permission or thepermission of any other member of the officiating crew, McNally had taken theballs from the Officials Locker Room towards the playing field. According toAnderson and other members of the officiating crew for the AFC ChampionshipGame, the removal of the game balls from the Officials Locker Room by McNallywithout the permission of the referee or another game official was a breach ofstandard operating pre-game procedure. According to Anderson, other membersof the officiating crew for the AFC Championship Game and other game officialswith recent experience at Gillette Stadium, McNally had not previously removedgame balls from the Officials Locker Room and taken them to the field withouteither receiving permission from the game officials or being accompanied by oneor more officials.

5. Based on videotape evidence and witness interviews, it has been determined thatMcNally removed the game balls from the Officials Locker Room atapproximately 6:30 p.m. After leaving the Officials Locker Room carrying twolarge bags of game balls (Patriots****** balls and Colts balls), McNally turned left andthen turned left again to walk down a corridor referred to by Patriots****** personnel asthe “center tunnel” heading to the playing field. At the end of the center tunnel onthe left-hand side, approximately three feet from the doors that lead to the playingfield, is a bathroom. McNally entered that bathroom with the game balls, lockedthe door, and remained in the bathroom with the game balls for approximately oneminute and forty seconds. He then left the bathroom and took the bags of gameballs to the field.

6. In the weeks and months before the AFC Championship Game, McNallyperiodically exchanged text messages with the Patriots****** equipment assistantprimarily responsible for the preparation of the Patriots****** game balls, JohnJastremski. In a number of those text messages, McNally and Jastremskidiscussed the air pressure of Patriots****** game balls, Tom Brady‟s unhappiness withthe inflation level of Patriots****** game balls, Jastremski‟s plan to provide McNallywith a “needle” for use by McNally, and McNally‟s requests for “cash” andsneakers together with the “needle” to be provided by Jastremski. A sports ballinflation needle is a device that can be used to inflate a football (if attached to anair pump) or release air from a football (if inserted alone into a ball).

http://a.espncdn.com/pdf/2015/0506/PatriotsWellsReport.pdf

Bob Kraft is a lying SOB - the Pats****** got caught and now will contend it is not worth the trouble to fight an "incomprehensible" investigation

Kraft is just as slimy as Belichick and Brady are. I cannot stand hearing this lying asshole called "classy" when he's a dirtbag just like his head coach and franchise QB.

Yep, Kraft is a real azz wipe. They probably have been doing this for a very long time. And they wonder why folks jack they're cheating azz up all the time.

I think it goes way back honestly. I mean pardon me if I'm skeptical but the way Tom Brady just came out of nowhere to go from nearly undrafted and someone the "great" Belichick prefered Tim Rattay over to "best ever" has me wondering how good this guy and his teams really are and have been.

What cracks me up is that the Banksters and their 1% buddies ran the U.S. economy into the ground and then bilked this country out of nearly a trillion dollars of taxpayer bailout money - most of which ended up being handed out in bonuses - and not a single charge has been filed against any of them.

But no stone has been left unturned in the quest for "the truth" about just how much air was in a football.

What cracks me up is that the Banksters and their 1% buddies ran the U.S. economy into the ground and then bilked this country out of nearly a trillion dollars of taxpayer bailout money - most of which ended up being handed out in bonuses - and not a single charge has been filed against any of them.

But no stone has been left unturned in the quest for "the truth" about just how much air was in a football.

Ridiculous.

Well we are on a football forum talking about events that impact the sport we follow so it's natural that we care about this. And who's to say the aforementioned doesn't bother me. It's the same crooked spirit furthermore. Maybe the Patriots* and Brady shouldn't fucking constantly do crap like this if they don't want people like me to care about this. Actually win legitimately but I think they're incapable of doing that because they're not as good as everyone says they are. A truly great team wouldn't constantly being doing crap like NE has for the past decade plus.

What cracks me up is that the Banksters and their 1% buddies ran the U.S. economy into the ground and then bilked this country out of nearly a trillion dollars of taxpayer bailout money - most of which ended up being handed out in bonuses - and not a single charge has been filed against any of them.

But no stone has been left unturned in the quest for "the truth" about just how much air was in a football.

Ridiculous.

Well we are on a football forum talking about events that impact the sport we follow so it's natural that we care about this. And who's to say the aforementioned doesn't bother me. It's the same crooked spirit furthermore. Maybe the Patriots** and Brady shouldn't fucking constantly do crap like this if they don't want people like me to care about this. Actually win legitimately but I think they're incapable of doing that because they're not as good as everyone says they are. A truly great team wouldn't constantly being doing crap like NE has for the past decade plus.

What's most laughable about this is that in the game in which this alleged "crime" was committed, Brady & Co. scored just 17 points during the first half while presumably using the under-inflated footballs.But according to the NFL, the balls were correctly inflated at halftime after which Brady & Co. then scored 28 points using properly inflated footballs.

So where is the "unfair advantage" in under-inflated footballs?

Then later that week, Aaron Rogers said that he preferred OVER-inflated footballs because he felt that he could grip the ball better (and thus throw more accurately).So one guy likes a soft football and another prefers a firm football.

So what's the problem?

To me, it's simply about personal preference and it makes no difference at all in terms of whether or not a team is better able to score.

What cracks me up is that the Banksters and their 1% buddies ran the U.S. economy into the ground and then bilked this country out of nearly a trillion dollars of taxpayer bailout money - most of which ended up being handed out in bonuses - and not a single charge has been filed against any of them.

But no stone has been left unturned in the quest for "the truth" about just how much air was in a football.

Ridiculous.

Well we are on a football forum talking about events that impact the sport we follow so it's natural that we care about this. And who's to say the aforementioned doesn't bother me. It's the same crooked spirit furthermore. Maybe the Patriots******* and Brady shouldn't fucking constantly do crap like this if they don't want people like me to care about this. Actually win legitimately but I think they're incapable of doing that because they're not as good as everyone says they are. A truly great team wouldn't constantly being doing crap like NE has for the past decade plus.

What's most laughable about this is that in the game in which this alleged "crime" was committed, Brady & Co. scored just 17 points during the first half while presumably using the under-inflated footballs.But according to the NFL, the balls were correctly inflated at halftime after which Brady & Co. then scored 28 points using properly inflated footballs.

So where is the "unfair advantage" in under-inflated footballs?

Then later that week, Aaron Rogers said that he preferred OVER-inflated footballs because he felt that he could grip the ball better (and thus throw more accurately).So one guy likes a soft football and another prefers a firm football.

So what's the problem?

To me, it's simply about personal preference and it makes no difference at all in terms of whether or not a team is better able to score.

Much ado about nothing.

I officially have found all the comforts of a new home here now that you are present to bait posters

Brady would have been more successful if he had Arians as his HC - now that is a competitive advantage

What cracks me up is that the Banksters and their 1% buddies ran the U.S. economy into the ground and then bilked this country out of nearly a trillion dollars of taxpayer bailout money - most of which ended up being handed out in bonuses - and not a single charge has been filed against any of them.

But no stone has been left unturned in the quest for "the truth" about just how much air was in a football.

Ridiculous.

Well we are on a football forum talking about events that impact the sport we follow so it's natural that we care about this. And who's to say the aforementioned doesn't bother me. It's the same crooked spirit furthermore. Maybe the Patriots*** and Brady shouldn't fucking constantly do crap like this if they don't want people like me to care about this. Actually win legitimately but I think they're incapable of doing that because they're not as good as everyone says they are. A truly great team wouldn't constantly being doing crap like NE has for the past decade plus.

What's most laughable about this is that in the game in which this alleged "crime" was committed, Brady & Co. scored just 17 points during the first half while presumably using the under-inflated footballs.But according to the NFL, the balls were correctly inflated at halftime after which Brady & Co. then scored 28 points using properly inflated footballs.

So where is the "unfair advantage" in under-inflated footballs?

Then later that week, Aaron Rogers said that he preferred OVER-inflated footballs because he felt that he could grip the ball better (and thus throw more accurately).So one guy likes a soft football and another prefers a firm football.

So what's the problem?

To me, it's simply about personal preference and it makes no difference at all in terms of whether or not a team is better able to score.

Much ado about nothing.

I think your mind is made up and I understand that but if you're going to bring up the margin of the victory over the Colts which brought this to the league's attention, I think it's fair to bring up that Jastremski and McNally were talking about deflating balls as far back as October which is right around the time Brady started to heat up after a shaky start. Furthermore, the margin is irrelevant. The Watergate Break-In wasn't a lesser deal since Nixon beat McGovern in a landslide and I will point out that school children are still punished for cheating on tests they would have aced anyhow so the idea that the Pats* would have beat the Colts regardless doesn't hold water to me. What ultimately bothers me though is that the Pats* obstructed the investigation and that Brady lied. You're right that QBs do have their own preferences. The difference is we haven't heard stories about Aaron Rodgers asking GB's equivalent of Jastremski and McNally to deflate balls and giving them gifts to do it.And furthermore why have rules about the pressure of the balls if it's not a problem. Honestly, my solution would be and this is yet another strike against Brady in my book is that both teams should use the same balls. Brady was a big proponent in changing the rule to have the teams have different balls.

What cracks me up is that the Banksters and their 1% buddies ran the U.S. economy into the ground and then bilked this country out of nearly a trillion dollars of taxpayer bailout money - most of which ended up being handed out in bonuses - and not a single charge has been filed against any of them.

But no stone has been left unturned in the quest for "the truth" about just how much air was in a football.

Ridiculous.

Well we are on a football forum talking about events that impact the sport we follow so it's natural that we care about this. And who's to say the aforementioned doesn't bother me. It's the same crooked spirit furthermore. Maybe the Patriots****** and Brady shouldn't fucking constantly do crap like this if they don't want people like me to care about this. Actually win legitimately but I think they're incapable of doing that because they're not as good as everyone says they are. A truly great team wouldn't constantly being doing crap like NE has for the past decade plus.

What's most laughable about this is that in the game in which this alleged "crime" was committed, Brady & Co. scored just 17 points during the first half while presumably using the under-inflated footballs.But according to the NFL, the balls were correctly inflated at halftime after which Brady & Co. then scored 28 points using properly inflated footballs.

So where is the "unfair advantage" in under-inflated footballs?

Then later that week, Aaron Rogers said that he preferred OVER-inflated footballs because he felt that he could grip the ball better (and thus throw more accurately).So one guy likes a soft football and another prefers a firm football.

So what's the problem?

To me, it's simply about personal preference and it makes no difference at all in terms of whether or not a team is better able to score.

Much ado about nothing.

I officially have found all the comforts of a new home here now that you are present to bait posters

Brady would have been more successful if he has Arians as his HC - now that is a competitive advantage:heh:

Hmm...

An Arians comment in less than 20 minutes!

Not bad!

BTW, You must be a good lawyer because you dodged my comment AND threw in a misdirect in just two short sentences.

What cracks me up is that the Banksters and their 1% buddies ran the U.S. economy into the ground and then bilked this country out of nearly a trillion dollars of taxpayer bailout money - most of which ended up being handed out in bonuses - and not a single charge has been filed against any of them.

But no stone has been left unturned in the quest for "the truth" about just how much air was in a football.

Ridiculous.

Well we are on a football forum talking about events that impact the sport we follow so it's natural that we care about this. And who's to say the aforementioned doesn't bother me. It's the same crooked spirit furthermore. Maybe the Patriots**** and Brady shouldn't fucking constantly do crap like this if they don't want people like me to care about this. Actually win legitimately but I think they're incapable of doing that because they're not as good as everyone says they are. A truly great team wouldn't constantly being doing crap like NE has for the past decade plus.

What's most laughable about this is that in the game in which this alleged "crime" was committed, Brady & Co. scored just 17 points during the first half while presumably using the under-inflated footballs.But according to the NFL, the balls were correctly inflated at halftime after which Brady & Co. then scored 28 points using properly inflated footballs.

So where is the "unfair advantage" in under-inflated footballs?

Then later that week, Aaron Rogers said that he preferred OVER-inflated footballs because he felt that he could grip the ball better (and thus throw more accurately).So one guy likes a soft football and another prefers a firm football.

So what's the problem?

To me, it's simply about personal preference and it makes no difference at all in terms of whether or not a team is better able to score.

Much ado about nothing.

I think your mind is made up and I understand that but if you're going to bring up the margin of the victory over the Colts which brought this to the league's attention, I think it's fair to bring up that Jastremski and McNally were talking about deflating balls as far back as October which is right around the time Brady started to heat up after a shaky start. Furthermore, the margin is irrelevant. The Watergate Break-In wasn't a lesser deal since Nixon beat McGovern in a landslide and I will point out that school children are still punished for cheating on tests they would have aced anyhow so the idea that the Pats** would have beat the Colts regardless doesn't hold water to me. What ultimately bothers me though is that the Pats** obstructed the investigation and that Brady lied. You're right that QBs do have their own preferences. The difference is we haven't heard stories about Aaron Rodgers asking GB's equivalent of Jastremski and McNally to deflate balls and giving them gifts to do it.And furthermore why have rules about the pressure of the balls if it's not a problem. Honestly, my solution would be and this is yet another strike against Brady in my book is that both teams should use the same balls. Brady was a big proponent in changing the rule to have the teams have different balls.

What cracks me up is that the Banksters and their 1% buddies ran the U.S. economy into the ground and then bilked this country out of nearly a trillion dollars of taxpayer bailout money - most of which ended up being handed out in bonuses - and not a single charge has been filed against any of them.

But no stone has been left unturned in the quest for "the truth" about just how much air was in a football.

Ridiculous.

Well we are on a football forum talking about events that impact the sport we follow so it's natural that we care about this. And who's to say the aforementioned doesn't bother me. It's the same crooked spirit furthermore. Maybe the Patriots********* and Brady shouldn't fucking constantly do crap like this if they don't want people like me to care about this. Actually win legitimately but I think they're incapable of doing that because they're not as good as everyone says they are. A truly great team wouldn't constantly being doing crap like NE has for the past decade plus.

What's most laughable about this is that in the game in which this alleged "crime" was committed, Brady & Co. scored just 17 points during the first half while presumably using the under-inflated footballs.But according to the NFL, the balls were correctly inflated at halftime after which Brady & Co. then scored 28 points using properly inflated footballs.

So where is the "unfair advantage" in under-inflated footballs?

Then later that week, Aaron Rogers said that he preferred OVER-inflated footballs because he felt that he could grip the ball better (and thus throw more accurately).So one guy likes a soft football and another prefers a firm football.

So what's the problem?

To me, it's simply about personal preference and it makes no difference at all in terms of whether or not a team is better able to score.

Much ado about nothing.

I officially have found all the comforts of a new home here now that you are present to bait posters

Brady would have been more successful if he has Arians as his HC - now that is a competitive advantage:heh:

Hmm...

An Arians comment in less than 20 minutes!

Not bad!

BTW, You must be a good lawyer because you dodged my comment AND threw in a misdirect in just two short sentences.

I did not dodge anything - if Brady did not think it would provide a competitive advantage why would he do it - or do you actually believe Dumb and Dumber were deflating footballs while Brady knew nothing about it?

Brady was looking for an edge that is not permitted under the rules and got caught - in my day job that is something that gets you named as a defendant

As far as the Arians reference, it is fair game - you post nonsense (Arians is why the Steelers went to 2 Super Bowls) to try and get someone to disprove nonsense

Good to have you here

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