Video: People bringing assault rifles to Obama rallies now

posted at 7:51 pm on August 17, 2009 by Allahpundit

And maybe not just people on the anti-Obama side, either. CNN reports seeing at least two AR-15s at today’s event in Arizona, one of which was carried by a guy standing among those waving “Reform Now” signs.

As I’ve said before, it’s a security risk and a de facto provocation to the other side. And having the right to do it is no more of a justification than bringing porn to a meeting with the president would be. Exit question: Why?

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Madison Conservative believes that any criticism of women’s voting habits automatically means that women should not vote.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:18 PM

No, I believe that when you respond with “Well said” to a person who says they would gladly go back to the days when women weren’t allowed to vote, then you don’t think women should be allowed to vote.

As a woman, I do believe that women tend towards socialism, as it’s not called the “nanny state” for nothing. I stand by my comment and criticism.

Until women are able to overcome their “herd” instinct, and understand and embrace the loneliness inherent in leadership roles, they will never be able to be effective leaders.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:18 PM

Atheling, Believe me, I know there are a lot of messed up women out there, but you cannot make blanket statements like that. I have no herd instinct, my life is about what is best for me and my children. I just happen to know that conservative values are the way to provide that.

It’s a big deal to those who know what they’re talking about. You don’t.

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 3:22 PM

So what do you call them Semi or auto loaders? Ever use the term bullets, or guns?
I read a story of a guy who walked into buy a Porsche, he asked told the salesman and the salesman said “You mean Porschahh(phonetically), and the guy said no a Porsche and you just lost yourself a sell.
The point is, if you know what the person is talking about, and it is not a technical conversation, relax, people don’t demand latin names for parts of the body, or when you go into a nursery…you can bet I was shooting a “gun” before you were born, and I was using a “clip” before you were born…so relax. You are a technical guru, I just go out and do a little hunting and shooting my guns. And you can bet over a cold beer after a day of hunting, no one ever worth their salt is going to correct someone about saying “I am just about out of bullets, throw me that clip”. “I am so sorry, I have no idea to what you are speaking about”…

I believe someone kidded Ann Coulter along those same lines, equating women voting and the rise in socialism….are they saying we should take away women’s right to vote? ( If memory serves me, I think it was Rush Limbaugh…but I could be wrong )

It is a fact that since women were allowed to vote, there has been a rise in socialism in America. However, it isn’t proven that socialism is because women were allowed to vote. People who ate carrots in the 18th century are all dead…can we conclude carrots killed them?

In any case, I think the real problem with socialism is people who vote, who don’t have skin in the game. People don’t see it immoral to steal from the “rich” to get their pet project. Case in point is the health care debate…people think it will actually be free because we’ll just soak the rich. The solution is getting more people to have skin in the game, and to educate them that government is not their friend, but a necessary evil.

Perhaps it has more to do with the fact that woman are very nurturing of others, as they must with their children, thus more apt to support collectivist policy, as opposed to being a bunch of easily herded sheep?

I’m not saying women “caused” socialism. But I have noticed a tendency among women to go for the big government solution for human problems. When I speak of why it’s wrong for government to tell me what kind of lightbulb I should use by banning certain lightbulbs, and how it infringes on my freedom, most women I know will defend the government in the name of what’s “good for me and for Mother Earth”. They seem unable to grasp the tenets of liberty and personal responsibility.

You must agree that we see this with our current Speaker of the House and most female Democrat pols. It’s even worse in Britain, with their recently disgraced Home Secretary who banned Michael Savage along with Muslim terrorists. She was unable to distinguish between one’s speech and one’s actions.

Perhaps it has more to do with the fact that woman are very nurturing of others, as they must with their children, thus more apt to support collectivist policy, as opposed to being a bunch of easily herded sheep?

blatantblue on August 18, 2009 at 3:35 PM

I doubt that. I believe it has more to do with the rights of the “oppressed” like any other historically wronged group. Women are not actually a minority, but they vote like one. This shouldn’t be shocking. The percentages aren’t even heavily in favor of Democrats either. We’re talking about less than 60% in support.

I believe someone kidded Ann Coulter along those same lines, equating women voting and the rise in socialism….are they saying we should take away women’s right to vote? ( If memory serves me, I think it was Rush Limbaugh…but I could be wrong )

Conservative Voice on August 18, 2009 at 3:32 PM

No. Ann Coulter made the comment herself. She was basically asserting that women tend to vote for the “wrong” candidate and that without allowing women to vote, we’d get the “Right” one.

Here, Here! From one woman to another, I thank you for your on-spot explanation of why women so often vote liberal.

pilartx on August 18, 2009 at 3:29 PM
Thank you for your honesty. It’s no accident that if you look at Obama’s support (dwindling as it is), he still has more women supporting him than men.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:33 PM

There was no sarcasm in my statement. Hope you didn’t take it that way. You just verbalized my frustration with so may of my fellow-females that are liberal. I am staunchly conservative – always have been. It’s never even made one lick’o’sense for me to vote liberal. It flies in the face of reason. What’s that famous Jack Nicholson line from “As Good As It Gets”?
woman: “How do you write women so well?”
Melvin (Nicholson): “I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability.”
Though I wouldn’t agree with that statement on most fronts, I do tend to agree with it when it comes to political ideology.

I was wrong that saying in a casual conversation, non technical like this blog, that clip and magazine can be interchangeable…that is what you need? Okay, in a casual conversation clip and magazine can never be interchangeable, and you won’t understand the conversation.

Generally, a clip is what is used to load a magazine. Moon Clips load cylinder magazines, stripper clips load box magazines, and of course the enbloc clip loads the Garand magazine. Most people use the term interchangably and it’s pretty much become acceptable to do that (right or wrong). I’ve always used the term magazine, and it paid off for me when I was in firearms training for law enforcement because the term clip would cost you 20 push-ups. Some guys didn’t seem to learn!

The Model 95 Steyr also becomes part of the magazine.
In informal conversation, I use the terms clips and magazines interchangeably and likewise call all firearms guns.
Being that language changes from the bottom up,current dictionaries
consider interchangeability of these terms legitimate.
In the Army ,I felt using the term “weapon” for small arms (not short arms) pretentious and corny.

Now you never answered my questions…bullets or cartriges, self loaders or semi autos…hmmmmm?
I can bet you say bullets, when that is just part of a cartridge (like a clip is part of a magazine often), or you say semi auto, when it is actually a self loader.
See when you are pretentious, you have to eat it…and you must be a real ball to go hunting with, make sure you bring plenty of bullets for you clips….

I think there’s a biological component to this difference. Look at nature. Herd of mares, one stallion. Brood of hens, one rooster. I think there may be a biological imperative that gives the female of the species a tendency towards “herdism”, or politically, “socialism”.

Of course as human beings, we are fortunately endowed with reason and free will, so we can rise above biology.

You must agree that we see this with our current Speaker of the House and most female Democrat pols. It’s even worse in Britain,

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 3:39 PM

Yeah, that Margaret Thatcher, not much of a person there…were you born this way, or did you have an accident that paralyzed that part of the brain.
The only thing that slows a woman down, is they have to pick up our socks…

You’re the first person ever to defend ignorance of the difference between a clip and a magazine. Several others on here were confused, and I showed them the difference, and they thanked me. You walk into a gun range or training class and dismiss the difference, you’ll be smacked upside the head and educated.

It takes roughly 20 seconds to explain the difference, except to people who value ignorance. Let me know when you aren’t so steadfast on your value of willful ignorance.

I think you have to be careful not to over generalize, especially when it comes to government policy.

Conservative Voice on August 18, 2009 at 3:48 PM

It’s very true that men nowadays suffer from the same herd mentality, or socialistic policy making. But I think feminisim has effectively silenced or “emasculated” men. I think they attempt to destroy manly qualities of courage, individualism, stoicism, independence, even the will to fight and kill in wartime. They have destroyed the martial spirit necessary to protect oneself and one’s country.

Now you never answered my questions…bullets or cartriges, self loaders or semi autos…hmmmmm?
I can bet you say bullets, when that is just part of a cartridge (like a clip is part of a magazine often), or you say semi auto, when it is actually a self loader.
See when you are pretentious, you have to eat it…and you must be a real ball to go hunting with, make sure you bring plenty of bullets for you clips….

right2bright on August 18, 2009 at 3:54 PM

As to the rest, I say rounds. If it’s for a pistol, it’s a round or bullet. If it’s for a rifle, it’s a round or cartridge. If it’s for a shotgun, it’s a round or shell. If you were at a range, and called pistol rounds “cartridges”, people would raise an eyebrow.

A clip is not part of a magazine. A clip feeds rounds into a magazine. Again, you don’t know what you’re talking about, but don’t care to know the truth.

I don’t care what you and other people who bathe in ignorance of proper terminology think about those of us who know what we’re talking about. It’s called jealousy. Learning doesn’t take long. Get over yourselves.

I am not looking forward to it, hopefully I have a decade or more until I have to suffer.

TXMomof3 on August 18, 2009 at 4:00 PM

Me either. I once worked for a couple who owned a restaurant. The woman was going through it and kept walking into the large freezer while having a hot flash.

My mother had it bad too. She had breast cancer and not only did the medicine make it worse for her, she also couldn’t take any medicine that would help for five years after her last breast cancer treatment. She’s tough though, despite appearances.

The Phoenix gathering was not “heated” in tone, as you incorrectly assert.

You must have missed listening to Robert Kessler stumping the “greater threat” book. He admitted that the greater threat he hears from the Secret Service is the fault of the Department of Homeland Security. The SS chafes under DHS for the obvious implication. DHS (not the Secret Service) now administers protocol for the SS that cuts safety corners. Kessler keeps referencing the removal of metal detectors from the entries to presidential addresses, ordered by the politicians and their staff, and enforced against the traditional protocol. He also mentions VP Biden not wearing the bullet proof vest when beginning the baseball game delivering the opening ball pitch. Kessler mentions the DHS redistribution of funds, cutting the SS budget. As to the hype to sell his opportunistic book claiming the radical increase of violent threats to Obama, Gibbs dismissed that claim, saying that the White House administration suffers no more danger than the previous administration. Kessler admitted that himself on his Coast To Coast interview.

Finally, the gathering was not limited to protesting HR3200. Obama made his pitch to augment federal powers and curtail civil liberties regarding arms.

It’s very true that men nowadays suffer from the same herd mentality, or socialistic policy making. But I think feminisim has effectively silenced or “emasculated” men. I think they attempt to destroy manly qualities of courage, individualism, stoicism, independence, even the will to fight and kill in wartime. They have destroyed the martial spirit necessary to protect oneself and one’s country.

atheling on August 18, 2009 at 4:02 PM

You have serious sexual identity issues. Not all men are wimped out and I know a lot of really strong women. There is nothing wrong with a woman being nurturing and strong. I happen to find men attractive that show emotion.

I am not looking forward to it, hopefully I have a decade or more until I have to suffer.

TXMomof3 on August 18, 2009 at 4:00 PM

Me either. I once worked for a couple who owned a restaurant. The woman was going through it and kept walking into the large freezer while having a hot flash.

My mother had it bad too. She had breast cancer and not only did the medicine make it worse for her, she also couldn’t take any medicine that would help for five years after her last breast cancer treatment. She’s tough though, despite appearances.

Esthier on August 18, 2009 at 4:05 PM

Fortunately, my Mom’s case hasn’t been that awful. She’s uncomfortable, but very open about it (she’s the one woman in a family of 5 *ouch). Anyway, we (her sons and husband) try to be understanding – and we just joke when we have to have the AC on high (even though all 4 of us are freezing).

Interesting. I’ve been saying that I think this has been a lot of hype. If the President were truly being threatened at levels greater than the previous one, or more than normal, the protocol would be to lay low, and not go out campaigning.

You have serious sexual identity issues. Not all men are wimped out and I know a lot of really strong women. There is nothing wrong with a woman being nurturing and strong. I happen to find men attractive that show emotion.

It takes roughly 20 seconds to explain the difference, except to people who value ignorance. Let me know when you aren’t so steadfast on your value of willful ignorance.

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2009 at 4:00 PM

Honestly, I assure you I have been around guns longer then you…I know the difference, but the terms around “camp” are interchangeable, I have had maybe in 50+ years someone “correct” me out in the field, most get laughed at.
In the military, or police, or a gunsmith, no problem, out hunting with the boys, trust me, being pretentious is good for one hunt, only one.
Get off you high horse, you don’t know as much as you think…if you don’t know when someone says hand me that clip, and you stare at them because that confuses you…find a new hobby.
Guess what, I call my tennis racquet, my “stick” that would drive you nuts…I even say “duece” when it is 30 all…and guess what, I have even walked into a store a bought a box of bullets, not cartridges, but then you use that term also.
But what do you do when you need to order a 40 cal vs. a 10mm, same cartridge but different bullet….
Meanwhile, I am loading my clips, I might go hunting this weekend taking all my guns, and a lot of bullets…

I do as well… to a certain extent. I love it that my husband’s cried in front of me but mostly because I can count the number of times he’s done so on one hand even though we’ve been together for nine years.

Though he made me look heartless at our wedding.

Fortunately, my Mom’s case hasn’t been that awful. She’s uncomfortable, but very open about it (she’s the one woman in a family of 5 *ouch). Anyway, we (her sons and husband) try to be understanding – and we just joke when we have to have the AC on high (even though all 4 of us are freezing).

Upstater85 on August 18, 2009 at 4:08 PM

The only woman? That is tough. My mom never complained much and never messed with the thermostat, but she would turn up the A/C in the car and stick her face in it. She’s always kinda cute about it.