Will the use of a Bullet Button get around NY's AWB? I hate this fucking state!

The "two-feature" test bans any gun that is semi-automatic, has
a detachable magazine (in the case of pistols and rifles), and
possesses two features that are commonly associated with military
weapons. The "one-feature" test would ban semi-automatic guns with
detachable magazines that possess one feature commonly associated
with military weapons. This section also adds to the list of
"features" that characterize a banned weapon.

Originally Posted By cfpkiller:
im sure in ny your going to be arrested anyways, they know that your probably legal but they wil fuck with you just to fight it out in court.....

If I am not mistaken, there were a few arrests here but nothing came out of them.

If indeed, you need a bullet button or a Prince 50 button lock, then do it if it means keeping your rifles. I have not read the text of the bill/law (mainly because we are dealing with our own mound of crap here I have to keep up with) but get a lawyer to go through it with a fine tooth comb. I am sure that Cuomo and his band of morons thought about it since CA found a way. If they didn't, I would be surprised.

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Originally Posted By stinger1995:
Will the use of a Bullet Button get around NY's AWB? I hate this fucking state!

The "two-feature" test bans any gun that is semi-automatic, has
a detachable magazine (in the case of pistols and rifles), and
possesses two features that are commonly associated with military
weapons. The "one-feature" test would ban semi-automatic guns with
detachable magazines that possess one feature commonly associated
with military weapons. This section also adds to the list of
"features" that characterize a banned weapon.

probably not....California's law IIRC Specifically states that a magazine is NOT "Detachable" if it requires the use of a "Tool" to remove...NY statute has no such provision..detachable is Detachable..NJ is the same way

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Originally Posted By AJK07734:probably not....California's law IIRC Specifically states that a magazine is NOT "Detachable" if it requires the use of a "Tool" to remove...NY statute has no such provision..detachable is Detachable..NJ is the same way

This and I mentioned yesterday that Sacramento is trying to work legislation to get this changed and outlaw BB.

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Originally Posted By AJK07734:
probably not....California's law IIRC Specifically states that a magazine is NOT "Detachable" if it requires the use of a "Tool" to remove...NY statute has no such provision..detachable is Detachable..NJ is the same way

This and I mentioned yesterday that Sacramento is trying to work legislation to get this changed and outlaw BB.

Yup! SB47... already on the books getting fueled up for take off. With a democrat majority... I foresee it passing unless we can hit it like we did last year.

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Originally Posted By stinger1995:
Will the use of a Bullet Button get around NY's AWB? I hate this fucking state!

The "two-feature" test bans any gun that is semi-automatic, has
a detachable magazine (in the case of pistols and rifles), and
possesses two features that are commonly associated with military
weapons. The "one-feature" test would ban semi-automatic guns with
detachable magazines that possess one feature commonly associated
with military weapons. This section also adds to the list of
"features" that characterize a banned weapon.

probably not....California's law IIRC Specifically states that a magazine is NOT "Detachable" if it requires the use of a "Tool" to remove...NY statute has no such provision..detachable is Detachable..NJ is the same way

Well, theoretically then, EVERY rifle that can hold more than 1 round has a "detachable" magazine. Might require a lot of work and tools to remove them, but they are all detachable, from tube-fed rimfires down to M1 Garands, etc...

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It's a replacement for the standard mag release button which requires a "tool" to release. Requiring a "tool" makes it by law a "fixed magazine" rather than a detachable magazine. The "tool" is usually the bullet end of a .223 / 5.56 cartridge, hence "bullet button"

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Originally Posted By stinger1995:
Will the use of a Bullet Button get around NY's AWB? I hate this fucking state!

The "two-feature" test bans any gun that is semi-automatic, has
a detachable magazine (in the case of pistols and rifles), and
possesses two features that are commonly associated with military
weapons. The "one-feature" test would ban semi-automatic guns with
detachable magazines that possess one feature commonly associated
with military weapons. This section also adds to the list of
"features" that characterize a banned weapon.

probably not....California's law IIRC Specifically states that a magazine is NOT "Detachable" if it requires the use of a "Tool" to remove...NY statute has no such provision..detachable is Detachable..NJ is the same way

Well, theoretically then, EVERY rifle that can hold more than 1 round has a "detachable" magazine. Might require a lot of work and tools to remove them, but they are all detachable, from tube-fed rimfires down to M1 Garands, etc...

Bingo. Don't thnk that fact hasn't escaped the mind of gun-banners. It's an incremental step to "toughen existing laws" down the road.

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Californian's "sort of" got around the AW ban by buying AR's (and other rifle types) that were not explicitly named in the bill. For example, you cannot have a Colt Sporter AR15 no matter what. However, you can have a Colt LE6920 as long as the mag catch was replaced with one that has a slightly recessed button in it so that you have to use a hex key or the tip of a bullet to drop the mag.

Hmm, I'll have to read the text. I'm pretty sure that they used language such that a belt over 7 rounds would constitute a feeding device of equivalent purpose to a magazine and ban it that way. That's what CA did. If it doesn't their State Police or DOJ will just issue a finding or declaration that belts are the same as magazines for legal purposes.

Originally Posted By _DR:Just get a belt fed upper. The law says nothng about belts.

i may be wrong but i think we have three options.....Bullet button with any features but can only have a 5 mag.....featureless with preban 10(only seven loaded)......or register and have our weapons taken by the state when we die!

(A) A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE THAT HAS AN ABILITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE
MAGAZINE AND HAS AT LEAST ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CHARACTERISTICS:
(I) A FOLDING OR TELESCOPING STOCK;
(II) A PISTOL GRIP THAT PROTRUDES CONSPICUOUSLY BENEATH THE ACTION OF
THE WEAPON;
(III) A THUMBHOLE STOCK;
(IV) A SECOND HANDGRIP OR A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE
NON-TRIGGER HAND;
(V) A BAYONET MOUNT;
(VI) A FLASH SUPPRESSOR, MUZZLE BREAK, MUZZLE COMPENSATOR, OR THREADED
BARREL DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE A FLASH SUPPRESSOR, MUZZLE BREAK, OR
MUZZLE COMPENSATOR;
(VII) A GRENADE LAUNCHER;

(G) PROVIDED, HOWEVER, THAT SUCH TERM DOES NOT INCLUDE:
(I) ANY RIFLE, SHOTGUN OR PISTOL THAT (A) IS MANUALLY OPERATED BY
BOLT, PUMP, LEVER OR SLIDE ACTION; (B) HAS BEEN RENDERED PERMANENTLY
INOPERABLE; OR (C) IS AN ANTIQUE FIREARM AS DEFINED IN 18 U.S.C.
921(A)(16);
(II) A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE THAT CANNOT ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE
THAT HOLDS MORE THAN FIVE ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION

the only part i question is CANNOT ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE.

here is the cali 2000

(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following: (A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.

(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches [762 mm].
(4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following: (A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.

(5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following: (A) A folding or telescoping stock.
(B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.

(7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.
(8) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

In addition, (Penal Code §§ 12001.5) bans, by definition, short-barreled shotguns and short-barreled rifles. Defined in Penal Code §§ 12020; a short-barreled shotgun is defined as a firearm (designed, redesigned, or altered) to fire a fixed shotgun shell and has a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches or an overall length of less than 26 inches. A short-barreled rifle is defined as a semiautomatic, center fire rifle with a barrel length of less than 16 inches or an overall length of less than 26 inches.

It's a device that clever Americans in California use to comply with the law. It covers the magazine release so that the mag cannot be released without the use of a tool approximatey ".223 in diameter to fit through a hole in a guard covering the button. They have been through the courts on this and they meet the legal definition of a "tool" to release the magazine. These Americans should be commended in their efforts to satisfy legal requirements.

Stupid SHOULD hurt. If it doesn't hurt you will continue to do stupid things!

It's a device that clever Americans in California use to comply with the law. It covers the magazine release so that the mag cannot be released without the use of a tool approximatey ".223 in diameter to fit through a hole in a guard covering the button. They have been through the courts on this and they meet the legal definition of a "tool" to release the magazine. These Americans should be commended in their efforts to satisfy legal requirements.

It REALLY pissed of the asshats in Sacramento like Yee.

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