I think my MINOR distaste for Joker's performance stems from A: quality of douchebags who overly praise his performance <he's dead, say only nice things. aaawww.> and B: Not enough Joker. It'll never be enough even R rated. Heath's got the most Adult realistic version goin for him- but he still feels restricted, inhibited. I did enjoy Joker's uncomfortable ways when not in action. He seemed more natural doing business in a nurse's outfit, then pitching to the board of hoods. he did perk up for his "magic trick" though.

why was I the only one laughing at it's prestige though?

never enough Joker.

Also- Jim Gordon Has a son named Tony Gordon.<I think in dark knight mom calls him tony, but it's brief> he's a little older than Robin, so hopefully movie boy wonder dosn't show up ever. Tony might not be Barbara's brother <comics> so Jim's probally a dirty dog.

Yeah, isn't it GREAT when you have high hopes for a film and they AREN'T crushed? I honestly think this is one of my top five all-time favorite films. I do agree with you about the Batman voice, too. Bale just doesn't have the voice for it. It's not enough to destroy the film, but it's a little... off. One thing I really love about these new Batman films is that his few one-liners feel perfectly natural; they don't come off as just snarky or "ha-ha, aren't I clever". They actually feel like something a real person might say.

Definitely the best film I've seen all year, possibly one of the best films I've ever seen. Alright, the Batman voice got deeper and sillier as the film went on, but that was only a minor flaw. The rest was sheer class.

Just a great movie that completely redefined the genre. It really is the Citizen Kane of "comic book" films. I just can't remember the last time I paid my sheckles for a flick and actually got exactly what I wanted. Ledger was brilliant, evil, maniacal and completely twisted. He is now THE Joker. The I Support Harvey Dent badge when he visits Two-Face in the hospital was a nice touch

When I first heard that Heath Ledger was going to be the Joker I groaned...
"Oh No... Not that dude from "10 things I hate about you" and that horrible gay cowboy movie (I have nothing against gay men or cowboy's or gay cowboys for that matter I just thought that movie was boring as shit). But still felt really bad when the news broke that Heath Ledger had died. I remember the day it happened I was watching the news break in a Las Vegas Police Station as I was filing a battery report on my crazy neighbor who got drunk, pissed her pants and assaulted my wife and I (long story). But still, I highly anticipated the new Batman film as Bale and Oldman are truly (along with Steve Martin... I know, I know make fun ya assholes... but remember Martin before his lame ass kid flicks was pure comic genius) my all time favorite actors. And after seeing the trailer with Ledger as the Joker I was sold. I have seen the film 5 times with varying family and friends and never does this film become tired and old. What an amazing film. I was so truly wrong about Ledger and I kept thinking that this was the second time an actor who passed away kicked my ass with their performance, Brandon Lee as the Crow the first time, also a beautiful performance in a comic book related film (and I also had no hope for Lee's performance either and I was wrong then too). I loved the film and it is a tragedy that Ledger is gone after showing his chops as an amazing actor in a difficult role to capture. That's my 2 cents.

A good movie, but to me, not a good as "Begins", and heres why. Chigago. Plain and simple. They expanded the scope of Gotham to such a degree that I find it hard to belive that one man (however driven, motivated, or equipped) can be more than a piss in the ocean.

In Batman begins, Gotham was tighter, more claustrophobic, and ultimatly better represented than it was portrayed in Dark Knight. If you expect me to buy into the technology presented in the movie, what makes you think I wont buy into the stylized representation of Gotham used before? Realism in a super hero movie can be overdone as well.

I did enjoy the reversal of the dynamic from "begins". Bats and Rah's al Ghul took dramatically different paths for what each thought was the greater good in that one. In Dark Knight, Bats and the Joker went down the same chaotic path but for different ends.

I also appreciated that Bats didnt have a new, totally restylled batmobile just for the bleeding hell of it. True that the left it open for a new one in the next movie, but at least we have an explanation why, same with the suit.

Finally, to the acting. Ledger was fine, but I think he missed the mark by a bit. To me, the joker historically does what he does purely for laughs, not to make any kind of point, just because its fun to hurt people. In the novel, "no man's land" Joker pushes his shinks head through the bars in his cell at arkham, and strips off his ears. He thought it would be a hoot to be sitting there, wearing his doctors ears, when the guards came for him. THAT'S the joker I wanted to see. Ledger came close, but I think his joker was motivated by the wrong thing.

Two-face was handled deftly as well, and the makeup was gruesome and stunning, but more importanlty, ultimatly beliveable.

Overall, this movie was fantastic, but at the end, I thought they could have trimmed a tight 20 minutes out of it, and made it better for the effort.

Got to see it at a single screen drive-in in the middle of the woods drinking lots o beer. Good fucking movie, mainly because every character, no matter how small, is important to the story.

But we're here to talk about the Joker? Sure! I thought he was fucking amazing! However he seemed so far removed from what I thought the Joker was all about that he could have went by another name and it wouldn't have made much of a difference. The Joker is about jokes! Kills with funny gadgets. Other than his pencil trick at the opening, a few brilliant lines near the first middle of the action and sliding down a mountain of money the character is a brilliant almost god-like terrorist/sociopath who doesn't do much funny stuff, I was hoping for more gadgets and jokes and bizarre shit mixed it.

The ending didn't cut it for me, Two Face barely got his trademark suit together before being offed, and just what happened to the Joker? Is he still hanging from a fucking building? Am I to believe he's locked in jail when its obvious he has no trouble escaping?

Its a fucking tragedy such a great performance will only happen once, but they could have atleast killed his character off.

There's going to be a sequel. So, they recast The Joker, we find out Harvey Dent is alive, and Nolan does it all through clever flashbacks a la The Prestige. I don't mind the thought of somebody else playing this Joker, and I actually have a modicum of trust in this cast and crew because they've made two awesome movies. Great points all around, though, testtube.