P.S. For those of you who don't know:
Linus = Linux
Bill Gate= "you know what is it"

oskilian

12-20-2001, 08:49 PM

huh?

as for Flying windows, I suppose it's windows, but I have NO IDEA on what "tux" or "crash and destroy" mean

I'm not going to vote... yet

please explain to me what are those other two

Oskilian

gnu-ehacks

12-20-2001, 09:01 PM

LoL, I thought you were Engineer. :D

Well, I voted for Tux, because I think that's Linux. Although, the Linux mascot is a penguin.

Yoshi

12-20-2001, 09:14 PM

Tux = Linux

Crash and destroyed = not voting for these two.

get it now?

Isometric

12-20-2001, 09:17 PM

Tux is the name of the pinguin that is the mascot of linux. Flying windows is windows because so many people used to have the flying windows screensaver(I think) that they just started calling them that. As for Crash and Destroy I think its just meant for as they both suck or you like other ones better (like BeOS).

Yoshi

12-20-2001, 09:21 PM

It can be interpret as:
Windows = Bill's OS
Linux = Linus' OS

gnu-ehacks

12-20-2001, 10:11 PM

Wraith Master, you ARE Engineer223 right?

Yoshi

12-20-2001, 11:28 PM

view my sig

mithrandir

12-20-2001, 11:34 PM

How exactly did you change your username though?

::looks at webmaster/kermi3::

IcyDeath

12-21-2001, 02:54 AM

Tux is a penguin(not sure how to spell it)-God.
Everyone should worship him/her/it! ;):D
That's why I can call myself a Tuxist!!!
LOL.

Just ignore this...

cody

12-21-2001, 03:01 AM

Windoze isn't Bill's OS :)

Anyway I'll go for the penguin...

bye
cody

-KEN-

12-21-2001, 02:50 PM

screw linux, I'm a windows man. The masses use windows, so why not dev for it? winXP is great, so is 2K and NT...don't judge windows by 9x or you're just a complete idiot...

...and if you use "Linux is open source though, dude!!" or "Windoze is evil cuz you gotta pay." or "Anything MS is crap!" as an argument, I'll hit you so hard yo momma'll feel it....

:rolleyes: :D ;) :p

oskilian

12-21-2001, 09:54 PM

Kill me if you want, but I use Windows, and will always use Windows. I once tried Linux and it sucked very hard (don't ask), so I vote Windows.

Oskilian

DISGUISED

12-21-2001, 10:30 PM

Windows for me as well. I mean what choice do you have if you want to use certain software packages that are essential? No dual boot for me ..I just telnet into the school server if I wanna play with a true UNIX system. I actually just wrote my own shell the other day ...it's better than the korn(y) shell.

zahid

12-21-2001, 10:39 PM

I guess I should vote for Tux.

Zahid

oskilian

12-21-2001, 11:52 PM

Dhaka? that's in Bangladesh, isn't it?

if so, how's Bangladesh like? I don't even have an image on how it could be...

Oskilian

GaPe

12-23-2001, 01:04 PM

My opinion is that Linux is very stable operating system, but not so user friendly (i mean the console, the windows are OK). About Windows there is only one word to write MICROCRAP .

DrakkenKorin

12-23-2001, 03:33 PM

My vote went to Windows.

Tried Linux, didn't like it, and, as GaPe said, its not very user firendly, and as with oskillian, created some major problems. Yelled so many profanites I would have made a sailor on shore leave blush! :eek:

Besides, most of the corporate/personal users use windows, so why not cater to them.

:D

Betazep

12-23-2001, 04:31 PM

I think that if someone that knows how to use LINUX sets up the box, and it is set to start with Xwindows, and all of the icons are right there on the desktop... then it is really easy.

So basically if a system administrator sets it up... no problems.

People have learned to think windows. That is why it is hard for some people. Though, many of these people do not remember what is was like to sit down at a windows box for the first time.

Usually, people's first experience with linux is sitting down and installing it themselves and trying to figure out how to login and what

startx does. (gets you into the GUI for those that don't know)

I tend to bet that most of you didn't get handed a windows disk with your first experience with a computer and got told..."Here, I know you have never touched a windows computer before, but install this with its defaults and configure the internet settings to go through a proxy server and set up your pop account." You would say, screw you... that is too hard. I have no idea what you are saying.

Do any of you remember a time when you didn't know what notepad was... or that it was an executable... or even what an executable was!?

Linux is easy. There are RPMs (package managers) that install everything for you... there is a very robust GUI with awesome default screensavers, bg images, games, and more. DHCP sets up your network simply if you have a cable modem. Major software manufacturers have their own installers... so if you wan't the latest Netscape browser... it is easy.

There is a learning curve to everything. You gotta give it more than a month... I played games for my first month. Then I learned how to install a new game. :D

Now, though... I am stuck back on win 98. I am just to lazy to reinstall Redhat 7.1 on one of my empty partitions. Too much to do that required IE 5.5 (online classes, etc).

But I still think that Linux is awesome....

Isometric

12-23-2001, 09:25 PM

Thats all fine and good Betzap except one problem, lack of drivers. It wont work with my modem, sound,network card, or even my Radeon Video card. If it would work for even just my Video and modem I'd use it alot more.

Justin W

12-23-2001, 11:22 PM

I tried Linux a while back and hated it - a lot. My work needed me to revisit it, however, and I've found it changed 180 degrees since my first dabbling. It evolves quite rapidly and driver support is actually getting... *drum roll*... good!

Anyway, if you don't want to duel boot or even install but would like to play with it a bit, may I recommend Demo Linux? It is preinstalled on the CD and comes with some nice shtuf. www.demolinux.org A bit slow, since it is running off your CD though. And no, it doesn't use any swap space whatsoever from your hard drive, doesn't touch it at all, so all is safe.

Otherwise, SuSE 7.2 or higher is the way to go, I think. Great app support, much better hardware detection than Red Hat. I run MSVC from it, since it's Windows compatibility on my mid range machine is so great. That way I don't have to reboot to make Windows apps, plus it actually benchmarks faster from my Linux side (varies with system!) :p

OK, I'll shut up now. ;)

-Justin

PotitKing

12-24-2001, 08:42 AM

You are absolutely right Justin W.
Many of those who have voted for windows, have tried linux, but that was a long time ago. If you buy yourself a copy of Redhat 7.2, mandrake 8.0, or Suse 7.3, I will guarantee you an easy install! The newest linux-kernel and X11 system supports every new videocard or network card that just have been released on the market. And the kernel is updated very often. A lot more often than Windows.
Trust me. Try linux today, and you will get hooked to the free and most configurable system in the world!

well, those are 'secondary' problems!, mine never worked with the Floppy disk drive nor the CD-ROM drive!, that was when I changed my video card, it has exactly the same chipset as the previous one, the only difference is that the new one has video capture capabilities (an ATI Rage 128 PRO vs an ATI All-In-Wonder 128 PRO), both have 32MB, and linux crashed with the new one.

I tried usind the CD, but I found out that there is no CD-ROM in there, I tried using a folder in /dev, or something like that which was called CDROM or something like that. Didn't work... Same for the floppy drive.

Maybe Windows sucks, but at least everything works fine.

OK, so linux sucks! time to uninstall and go back to single-mode-boot. Do you think that was easy? I didn't get rid of the *^"£$"€€ LILO!!!, I reformatted, deleted every partition, did low-level formats... NOTHING WORKED!!! I finally got rid of it by putting a powerful magnet by the hard drive, and then reformatting from scratch (I really did it, and it worked fine, it's actually my current harddrive)

Oskilian

cody

12-24-2001, 05:12 PM

:D

Try a format (or fdisk, dunno anymore) /MBR next time to get LILO out of your master boot record :rolleyes:

merry xmas
cody

ATRiNOXX

12-24-2001, 05:22 PM

Linux > Windows for slow machines [Like my old P1-100 Compaq, which I run Mandrake7 on.] I wish I had linux or some other Unix variant on this computer too [P3-866, Dell], but my whole family uses this one, so that's not an option...Just the thought of one of my tech-illiterate relatives trying to use a Unix shell is amusing...

rm -rf /bin/laden

gamegod3001

12-24-2001, 09:44 PM

This should sum it up:

Windows > High System Resources, supports everything

Linux > Low system Resourecs, just only supports powerfull stuff.

DrakkenKorin

12-25-2001, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by oskilian
OK, so linux sucks! time to uninstall and go back to single-mode-boot. Do you think that was easy? I didn't get rid of the *^"£$"?? LILO!!!, I reformatted, deleted every partition, did low-level formats... NOTHING WORKED!!!

Same thing happened to me w/Mandrake 8 (think it was 8, could be wrong). And that wasn't the only thing that was messed up. When I got the CD, I was told that I didn't have to partition the drive, that Mandrake would take care of it.

It may have been a blemish on the CD or maybe my drive was hitting the hooch or something, because midway between partitioning, it would die. That's it, no warning, no nothing, just progressing right as rain, then ... nothing but a blank screen with a cursor blinking.

After calling Linux and Mandrake a few choice names, went out and bought Partition Magic, partitioned and installed.

Well the whole dilemma must have soured my Linux experience, by the next day I was ready to get rid of it. And so I did. Or at least I thought I did. Reformatted the partition, reincorporated partition, etc. But still couldn?t get back into single boot mode. I did not have the same level of patience and perseverance that Oskilian had, because I took the easy way out and activated Boot Magic (from the makers of Partition Magic).

:D

jasrajva

12-25-2001, 11:17 AM

Well the whole dilemma must have soured my Linux experience, by the next day I was ready to get rid of it. And so I did. Or at least I thought I did. Reformatted the partition, reincorporated partition, etc. But still couldn?t get back into single boot mode. I did not have the same level of patience and perseverance that Oskilian had, because I took the easy way out and activated Boot Magic (from the makers of Partition Magic).

hey you are being unfair here

a) all you needed to solve your problems was a dos/win boot disk
and type in
fdisk /mbr

if mandrake screwed up your partition table then they really are to blame but
did you really read the readme well before installing or did you go on a clicking spree??

btw
if you had tried to install win over any of the linuxes it would simply have trashed the mbr and would have left you with just one os to boot from
atleast linux is considerate enuf to let you boot both os's thru LILO or Grub Loader or something

i know there is a lot of linux illwill here
but i beleive you havent given it a real hard try bleive me once you get used to it you'll love it
its just the windows upbringing that sometimes gets in the way
remember you had to learn to use windows once
and so will you have to with linux

just bcoz someone is a expert win user doesnt mean linux is going to be easy on the first try so be well informed abt what you are doing
bfore you go and blame a superb OS for all the ills in the world

btw i always use partition magic to make partitions
its superb

DrakkenKorin

12-25-2001, 03:04 PM

a) all you needed to solve your problems was a dos/win boot disk
and type in fdisk /mbr
You know, I thoguht of fdisking the hard drive, in hopes it will cure what ail's me (so to speak). But, being a hardened computer user (i.e. does not back up :D ), I decided against it.

i know there is a lot of linux illwill here but i beleive you havent given it a real hard try bleive me once you get used to it you'll love it its just the windows upbringing that sometimes gets in the way remember you had to learn to use windows once and so will you have to with linux
No ill will here, just a bit of past frustration. As a matter of fact, I was thinking of giving Linux a second chance. Don't think I'll be using my Mandrake CD though. Went to the link PotitKing provided (DemoLinux is memory serves) and was going to download the *.iso to burn to a CD, but when I saw that the download time was 48:49 (on a cable modem!). Needless to say I got a bit impatient when I had waited about 10 mins and it had barely moved, so I canceled and figured I try again later.

Who know's, maybe I'll go out and buy RedHat someother day. I did get a gift card from and Office store as a Solstice gift, maybe I'll use that.

You all better look out, my next post is gonna be for Linux help. (Do you get the impression I'm not a very patient person?!)

The link was provided by Justin W, not PotitKing as I had thought. Thanx Justin

Justin W

12-25-2001, 05:25 PM

DrakkenKorin, just so you know, fdisk /mbr does not partition your drive. It just fixes the master boot record. For win2K it is fixmbr.

Also, DemoLinux has a compressed download as well which is about 200MB smaller than the full uncompressed iso. ;)

Finally, I don't like Red Hat personally. The distro is not very.. intelligent, doesn't include as much cool software, and costs more than, say, SuSE. When judging Linux, remember that not all Linux's are equal. Please don't judge Windows on 9x (or 3.1) and don't judge Linux by an old version or only one distro. ;)

-Justin

jasrajv

12-25-2001, 09:25 PM

i think the best linux distrib for the desktop is

caldera openlinux 3.1
no configs necessary at all
a very windows like post install that lasts 5-10 minutes and sets up everything very well

also while the files are being copied it lets you play solitaire ;-)

on the server you would probably go redhat but caldera has some decent stuff there as well