Maybe I haven't been following this story well, but is the app really that bad? Let me preface this by saying that I'm lazy, so if something has features I like and it takes no effort to use, I like it. With that said, the interface is almost identical (you interact in pretty much the same way as the old one). The map itself looks fine. And it has turn-by-turn directions built in. Am I missing some horrible flaw where the addition of a feature that I really appreciate is outweighed by some issue?

jcb274:Maybe I haven't been following this story well, but is the app really that bad? Let me preface this by saying that I'm lazy, so if something has features I like and it takes no effort to use, I like it. With that said, the interface is almost identical (you interact in pretty much the same way as the old one). The map itself looks fine. And it has turn-by-turn directions built in. Am I missing some horrible flaw where the addition of a feature that I really appreciate is outweighed by some issue?

Wow, you know when you have Gizmodo (some of the biggest Apple shills out there) calling out Apple's PR for blatantly distorting reality and calling out specific journalists for being full of sparkly Apple lies, the end must be nigh.

assjuice:jcb274: Maybe I haven't been following this story well, but is the app really that bad? Let me preface this by saying that I'm lazy, so if something has features I like and it takes no effort to use, I like it. With that said, the interface is almost identical (you interact in pretty much the same way as the old one). The map itself looks fine. And it has turn-by-turn directions built in. Am I missing some horrible flaw where the addition of a feature that I really appreciate is outweighed by some issue?

Many of the locations and directions are wrong.

Is there a good source for exactly where people are having problems? CNET was awesomely (not) useful with their enraging slide show containing issues if you live in the Cayman Islands, Chile, or you care that some satellite images aren't rendered well. If I lived in the Cayman Islands, I would probably be outraged. But, again, is there anything I actually need to worry about that actually outweighs the turn-by-turn feature?

jcb274:assjuice: jcb274: Maybe I haven't been following this story well, but is the app really that bad? Let me preface this by saying that I'm lazy, so if something has features I like and it takes no effort to use, I like it. With that said, the interface is almost identical (you interact in pretty much the same way as the old one). The map itself looks fine. And it has turn-by-turn directions built in. Am I missing some horrible flaw where the addition of a feature that I really appreciate is outweighed by some issue?

Many of the locations and directions are wrong.

Is there a good source for exactly where people are having problems? CNET was awesomely (not) useful with their enraging slide show containing issues if you live in the Cayman Islands, Chile, or you care that some satellite images aren't rendered well. If I lived in the Cayman Islands, I would probably be outraged. But, again, is there anything I actually need to worry about that actually outweighs the turn-by-turn feature?

MrSteve007:Wow, you know when you have Gizmodo (some of the biggest Apple shills out there) calling out Apple's PR for blatantly distorting reality and calling out specific journalists for being full of sparkly Apple lies, the end must be nigh.

jcb274:Maybe I haven't been following this story well, but is the app really that bad? Let me preface this by saying that I'm lazy, so if something has features I like and it takes no effort to use, I like it. With that said, the interface is almost identical (you interact in pretty much the same way as the old one). The map itself looks fine. And it has turn-by-turn directions built in. Am I missing some horrible flaw where the addition of a feature that I really appreciate is outweighed by some issue?

Apple hyped the maps app, and it's flawed.People that use their iPhones for GPS are pretty much taking chances with driving directions being incorrect.

Abe Vigoda's Ghost:jcb274: Maybe I haven't been following this story well, but is the app really that bad? Let me preface this by saying that I'm lazy, so if something has features I like and it takes no effort to use, I like it. With that said, the interface is almost identical (you interact in pretty much the same way as the old one). The map itself looks fine. And it has turn-by-turn directions built in. Am I missing some horrible flaw where the addition of a feature that I really appreciate is outweighed by some issue?

Apple hyped the maps app, and it's flawed.People that use their iPhones for GPS are pretty much taking chances with driving directions being incorrect.

Is this Maps thing really that big a deal anyway? At this point if your head is so firmly lodged up your ass that you staunchly refuse to buy one phone or another based solely on who made it something as inconsequential as being routed to the local fishmonger instead of a nearby Starbucks probably isn't going to change anything.

People don't buy Apple products because they're quality products. People buy Apple products because they're fashion accessories. Functionally, there is little significant difference between any given high-end Android phone and the latest iPhone release. There are apps that suck on the iPhone and apps that suck on Android. You're going to get largely the same experience on either though, on the average.

I do enjoy watching the True Believers flip the fark out and start screaming their fool heads off every time anything goes wrong with one or the other though. It's always amusing to watch people argue so vociferously over which little plastic box with fart apps is the "best" little plastic box with fart apps on this particular day....

/ I will probably never buy an iPhone// because I only replace my phone when I absolutely have to, and that usually doesn't happen to coincide with the latest iPhone release meaning the latest iPhone, with it's much slower release schedule, is usually technically inferior to whatever top tier Android phone happens to be launching at the particular hour I'm in the Verizon store

"Some people are still positive about Apple, and therefore reality distortion and furthermore."

Gizmodo has been insufferable for like a while now. It seems like they got a lot of flak for being so pro-Apple that they've overcorrected and they've been riding this maps thing like it's their one key to salvation.

digistil:Abe Vigoda's Ghost: jcb274: Maybe I haven't been following this story well, but is the app really that bad? Let me preface this by saying that I'm lazy, so if something has features I like and it takes no effort to use, I like it. With that said, the interface is almost identical (you interact in pretty much the same way as the old one). The map itself looks fine. And it has turn-by-turn directions built in. Am I missing some horrible flaw where the addition of a feature that I really appreciate is outweighed by some issue?

Apple hyped the maps app, and it's flawed.People that use their iPhones for GPS are pretty much taking chances with driving directions being incorrect.

jcb274:Maybe I haven't been following this story well, but is the app really that bad? Let me preface this by saying that I'm lazy, so if something has features I like and it takes no effort to use, I like it. With that said, the interface is almost identical (you interact in pretty much the same way as the old one). The map itself looks fine. And it has turn-by-turn directions built in. Am I missing some horrible flaw where the addition of a feature that I really appreciate is outweighed by some issue?

Abe Vigoda's Ghost:jcb274: Maybe I haven't been following this story well, but is the app really that bad? Let me preface this by saying that I'm lazy, so if something has features I like and it takes no effort to use, I like it. With that said, the interface is almost identical (you interact in pretty much the same way as the old one). The map itself looks fine. And it has turn-by-turn directions built in. Am I missing some horrible flaw where the addition of a feature that I really appreciate is outweighed by some issue?

Apple hyped the maps app, and it's flawed.People that use their iPhones for GPS are pretty much taking chances with driving directions being incorrect.

I'm not on board with 2/10 guy, but are you saying that now if you use your iPhone as a GPS you're running the risk of it being correct or that anyone who has ever used an iPhone as a GPS has run this risk?

Cormee:jcb274: Is there a good source for exactly where people are having problems?

A few notable local examples to me are - in Dublin, there is an airport where there is no airport, Dublin Zoo has moved into the city centre and Cork city has relocated itself to a Dublin suburb.

Thanks. You're the only person who has given an example where this has been a real problem. I think so far where I drive it's more likely to be correct than my 3 year old garmin map and it was a free upgrade so, I think I'm ok with this.

Abe Vigoda's Ghost:digistil: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: jcb274: Maybe I haven't been following this story well, but is the app really that bad? Let me preface this by saying that I'm lazy, so if something has features I like and it takes no effort to use, I like it. With that said, the interface is almost identical (you interact in pretty much the same way as the old one). The map itself looks fine. And it has turn-by-turn directions built in. Am I missing some horrible flaw where the addition of a feature that I really appreciate is outweighed by some issue?

Apple hyped the maps app, and it's flawed.People that use their iPhones for GPS are pretty much taking chances with driving directions being incorrect.

2/10

Really? Please point out where anything in my statement is incorrect.

You're insinuating people will be harmed because of faulty iPhone directions. I realize you're very much personally invested in this topic, but get a grip man.

jcb274:Abe Vigoda's Ghost: jcb274: Maybe I haven't been following this story well, but is the app really that bad? Let me preface this by saying that I'm lazy, so if something has features I like and it takes no effort to use, I like it. With that said, the interface is almost identical (you interact in pretty much the same way as the old one). The map itself looks fine. And it has turn-by-turn directions built in. Am I missing some horrible flaw where the addition of a feature that I really appreciate is outweighed by some issue?

Apple hyped the maps app, and it's flawed.People that use their iPhones for GPS are pretty much taking chances with driving directions being incorrect.

I'm not on board with 2/10 guy, but are you saying that now if you use your iPhone as a GPS you're running the risk of it being correct or that anyone who has ever used an iPhone as a GPS has run this risk?

Just with the updated maps app. If you have not updated, you might want hold off until Apple fixes the maps app.

jcb274:Is there a good source for exactly where people are having problems? CNET was awesomely (not) useful with their enraging slide show containing issues if you live in the Cayman Islands, Chile, or you care that some satellite images aren't rendered well. If I lived in the Cayman Islands, I would probably be outraged. But, again, is there anything I actually need to worry about that actually outweighs the turn-by-turn feature?

A friend of mine requested a journey to Dartmoor, and the route didn't end at the final location. A journalist in London found 2 businesses at the same address, neither of which were there. Solihull an Stratford (large towns) disappeared, various train stations in the wrong place.

The Maps problems, at present aren't just a few obscure users finding a few quirks. Every mapping system has those, everyone expects a degree of errors. But it doesn't have to go too high before people find an alternative.

The worst part is that there are errors that didn't really need much human intervention. I'm pretty sure that London Transport's list of stations would be bang-up-to-date, so why didn't Apple use them?

Vegan Meat Popsicle:/ I will probably never buy an iPhone// because I only replace my phone when I absolutely have to, and that usually doesn't happen to coincide with the latest iPhone release meaning the latest iPhone, with it's much slower release schedule, is usually technically inferior to whatever top tier Android phone happens to be launching at the particular hour I'm in the Verizon store

Have you seen the graphs? You must have not seen the graphs. The graphs don't lie. Careful with that kingd of talk or you may summon the graph master.

Isn't the simple truth here that Google has spent hundreds of millions curating top quality satellite photography (including renting the satellites themselves to make personal passes for them), done tens of thousands of additional high-level plane reconnaissance photography trips over the major urban areas of the world, put in millions of man-hours doing street level views, and hired the very best cartographers in the world the finesse their software...all over the course of 10 years?

Apple just bought a load of old cloudy satellite data and jammed it together with some sub-Tomtom feed.

This isn't something that can just be "fixed", it needs hundreds of millions in investment and one hell of a lot of time.

digistil:Abe Vigoda's Ghost: digistil: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: jcb274: Maybe I haven't been following this story well, but is the app really that bad? Let me preface this by saying that I'm lazy, so if something has features I like and it takes no effort to use, I like it. With that said, the interface is almost identical (you interact in pretty much the same way as the old one). The map itself looks fine. And it has turn-by-turn directions built in. Am I missing some horrible flaw where the addition of a feature that I really appreciate is outweighed by some issue?

Apple hyped the maps app, and it's flawed.People that use their iPhones for GPS are pretty much taking chances with driving directions being incorrect.

2/10

Really? Please point out where anything in my statement is incorrect.

You're insinuating people will be harmed because of faulty iPhone directions. I realize you're very much personally invested in this topic, but get a grip man.

Saying that driving directions may be incorrect is not inferring that anyone is going to be physically harmed. Of course, that's not counting your obvious butthurt over a flawed iApp.

Abe Vigoda's Ghost:Saying that driving directions may be incorrect is not inferring that anyone is going to be physically harmed. Of course, that's not counting your obvious butthurt over a flawed iApp.

1. I never said anyone would be injured.2. How is calling out a troll the same as butthurt?3. Why do you keep assuming I don't use Android myself?

The more I read about Apple, the more I wish I hadn't bought an iPhone.

I haven't read much about Steve Jobs, is this his "legacy"? Or is this how the others in the Company wanted to run it....

I dunno. It sounds like there are lots of labeling issues. Like if you were to plug in an address you'd probably be ok. And no one in this thread has pointed out an issue in the US yet. Not that it's not a concern in Europe, it just appears to be less of one here. Like I said, I upgraded, it represents an improvement for me, so I'm fine with it.

If anything, pretending an issue isn't an issue while quietly fixing it is Steve Jobs-esque. But, it's hard to say whether he would have signed off on releasing an integrated app with known glitches or just held off on releasing it until it was perfect. If anything, Tim Cook apologizing is a new (improved) twist.

digistil:Abe Vigoda's Ghost: digistil: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: jcb274: Maybe I haven't been following this story well, but is the app really that bad? Let me preface this by saying that I'm lazy, so if something has features I like and it takes no effort to use, I like it. With that said, the interface is almost identical (you interact in pretty much the same way as the old one). The map itself looks fine. And it has turn-by-turn directions built in. Am I missing some horrible flaw where the addition of a feature that I really appreciate is outweighed by some issue?

Apple hyped the maps app, and it's flawed.People that use their iPhones for GPS are pretty much taking chances with driving directions being incorrect.

2/10

Really? Please point out where anything in my statement is incorrect.

You're insinuating people will be harmed because of faulty iPhone directions. I realize you're very much personally invested in this topic, but get a grip man.

Nooo, he's insinuating they're taking the chance that their driving directions will be very wrong, when what it replaced had much higher accuracy.

digistil:Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Saying that driving directions may be incorrect is not inferring that anyone is going to be physically harmed. Of course, that's not counting your obvious butthurt over a flawed iApp.

1. I never said anyone would be injured.2. How is calling out a troll the same as butthurt?3. Why do you keep assuming I don't use Android myself?

Your quote:

You're insinuating people will be harmed because of faulty iPhone directions. I realize you're very much personally invested in this topic, but get a grip man.

Pointing out a problem with an app is not trolling.Although I don't have an iPhone, I do use other Apple products (posted from my MacBook Pro)I'm just calling out Apple for over selling and under delivering on the maps app.

I love when iFanatics fly off the handle and attack Android users for the iPhone's shortcomings. Face it, both phones have good and bad points, and biatching about your own phone's drawback vis-a-vis the competing phone is both bizarre, and the most soul-rendingly sad form of dickwaving this side of truck nuts.

Also, iFanatics need to stop with the headache inducing proselytizing. Some people just like Androids better.

I love it when Fandroids fly off the handle and attack iPhone users for the Android's shortcomings. Face it, both phones have good and bad points, and biatching about your own phone's drawback vis-a-vis the competing phone is both bizarre, and the most soul-rendingly sad form of dickwaving this side of truck nuts.

Also, Fandroids need to stop with the headache inducing proselytizing. Some people just like iPhones better.

Parthenogenetic:Given the choice between Apple Maps and actual geography, I prefer Apple Maps' version of reality.

I mean, if I use Maps to find a hospital and it guides me to an empty lot, maybe it means the hospital should be there instead of where it currently is.

If it weren't for Apple basically inventing the modern smartphone, I'd be writing this post on a horrible Nokia flip phone.

So maybe you haters should consider that reality needs to conform to Apple, not the other way around.

Sent from my iPhone

Exactly. When Apple release the last gen Shuffle, the metal tube with no buttons, I was initially irritated that I couldn't use my own earbuds then jogging else have no controls.

Then I realised what an arrogant doofus I was for wanting to control my music and hear it at the same time. Now I jog either with the Apple earphones, with full control music but the buds bouncing around my knees, or my own earbuds, held beautifully in my ears but silent and no way to turn it on.

YouWinAgainGravity:I love it when Fandroids fly off the handle and attack iPhone users for the Android's shortcomings. Face it, both phones have good and bad points, and biatching about your own phone's drawback vis-a-vis the competing phone is both bizarre, and the most soul-rendingly sad form of dickwaving this side of truck nuts.

Also, Fandroids need to stop with the headache inducing proselytizing. Some people just like iPhones better.

False equivalence is false because open platform and no universal OTA upgrades and furthermore near-field communication.

taoistlumberjak:I love when iFanatics fly off the handle and attack Android users for the iPhone's shortcomings. Face it, both phones have good and bad points, and biatching about your own phone's drawback vis-a-vis the competing phone is both bizarre, and the most soul-rendingly sad form of dickwaving this side of truck nuts.

THIS

I'm an Android user and I recognise it's shortcomings...

battery life is shorterdocks aren't as goodthey aren't as pretty lookingif you want to be protected from the big bad world, they're not as goodthe UI is probably slightly clunkierlower 2nd hand valuesupdates are less consistent

It's when people bullshiat and lie, or try to make mountains out of molehills that I get pissed off, but then I've always hated that with tech wars.

I don't have an Android tattoo, I just use my Nexus phone because I prefer it. The problem for fanboys is that because they see technology through the prism of cultish behaviour, that's how they assume everyone else sees technology.

If Apple made an iPhone that:-

1. Allowed side-loading of apps2. Was similarly priced to Android3. Had improved integration with other services4. Had better transit maps and sorted out their maps (transit maps IS a big deal to me)

I'd seriously look at getting one.

I use technology to get paid and laid, and I want it to be easy to use. I ain't paying money for something to do a job when something else will do it cheaper.

mjohnson71:I've posted this before and I'll post it again: I've now submitted more than 40 Apple Maps errors within a few miles of my house. It's really sad how "off" they are.

If I have some free time this weekend I'm going to take a wider view of St. Louis just to see if I can break the triple digit error submission mark.

OMG why do you have to be so negative and call them ERRORS?!

If you hate Apple so much go buy a horrible Android phone then.

I think it's great that Apple is allowing its dedicated users to help make its devices and apps even more insanely great. I am so incredibly proud to be a part of this community. This is true democracy and you don't get that from Android. With Apple, products are made for users. With Google, users are the product. Why can't you see that?

I am just so upset I can't type any more because tears of anger are blurring my view of my usually razor sharp Retina display.