Sorry this has taken so long but thought we should try to get the discussions started. Jayde & I will be working on this issue so if you have any questions please let us know. The discussions at the Imperial Estates Meeting helped us realize that this is an important issue but needs to be broken in to smaller items and take a few steps at a time. First part I think should probably just be on the basic numbers required for each division. The current numbers are:

King or Queen-Sovereign Crown of a Kingdom, defined as at least 125 paid members

Prince or Princess – Subject Crown of a Principality, defined as a geographically specific region within a Kingdom as defined by the Crown Estates of that Kingdom and containing at least 75 paid members over and above the numbers needed to maintain a Kingdom.

Duke or Duchess -Ruler of a Duchy, which is defined as a geographically distinct region within a Kingdom or Principality containing at least 50 paid member.

Marquis or Marquessa - Ruler of a March, defined as a geographically distinct Territory within the boundaries of a Kingdom (as defined by the imperial estates) and consisting of at least 25 paid members.

I don't think we need to do anything with the Metro Chapters as they are only 5 members.

I would like to start getting the populaces opinion on these and see if we can put together a workable solution to this.

I like those numbers, Myn. I think they're big enough to have a bit of self-sustenance, which is a big problem with smaller groups, and I think that is extremely important with groups of that political strength.

Are you both then thinking that a Principality would be 50? I do like the other numbers and think they are more in line with what is doeable and the important part is we need to get the numbers to a point that can be substained.

Yes, I think those numbers will be just fine and will craft the item for submission in August. Do we want to see if this will pass first and then if needed work on the other portion regarding the knights and years of formation.

Cha Cha Changes David Bowie, I like the way this is headed and agree to the latest posting with a resounding Hazza! , Much Enthusiasm in seeing this move forward. in service Lord Sir Dae Nadel Von Wehrmacht

I'm personally not sure what you mean by that, Lassidor. Could you clarify? Thanks.

As for the other, I think we should deal with the numbers separately. I like the thing as it stands, but we should publish this around and get as broad a consensus as we can before we make a final decision.