psychedelic in the way I've seen people describe black metal as psychedelic, repetitive entrancing overwhelming wall of noise

the way hypnotic disco can be entrancing, approached from a different angle

This is great on a black metal tip - though more mellow than the track you posted, "ambient black metal", who knew?: http://loveallday.com/black-construc...-josh-bearman/ - that track is really interesting , I don't listen to enough metal or hardcore to really be able to hear the novelty of what they're doing - it's hard to place but some quite freaky sounded layered guitar.

Alistair at GreenGalloway is an old punk/squatter and he has posted a lot of punk/traveller history that shows the punk/hippy divide as a bit of retrospective imposition - that's his memories of it anyway - he's coming very much from the point where punks stopped squatting in the UK and headed out the city in vans. I guess Hawkwind and Ozric Tentacles would be the obvious bands.

Well Jesus was really the ur-hippy, if you want to go down that route. I'm obviously talking about the values of conservative white America in the 1950s-60s, which were not particularly peace-n-love oriented and certainly weren't compatible with dropping out of education/work, casual sex, taking acid and wild orgiastic dancing to essentially "negro" styles of music.

Paidrag - cheers, very interesting. I know nothing about metal or any of its mutant variants, so interesting when something pops up that can sit easily with my other listening.

Just looked up Alistair's blog and found this via searching for "punk hippy": First a trickle, then a surge of the punk generation became 'hippy travellers', much to the discomfiture of tribal elders like John Pendragon.https://greengalloway.blogspot.co.uk/2005/03/

So, the opposition is maybe less binary than one might thing, at least as it was lived in the UK.

"Hip Hop hippies" - none of this had any kind of popular traction beyond the marketing of these bands. I think the strangeness of Lil B (mentioned upthread I think) has a better claim to being psychedelic - it's genuinely weird, and breaks with the musical conventions of rap much more radically - decentres the author, lets stream of consciousness dominate, genuinely meant challenge to raps's machismo, and ceaseless production being some of the ways. Should really start listening to him again.

Paidrag - feel free to up some Mob tracks if any fit? Would like to hear. But yeah, I get the impression that this stuff was rooted in the live scene on the traveller circuit. The Crass I've heard seems to have that edge of creativity that you could characterise as psychedelic if you were being v generous.