So your belief is "lay back and enjoy it". _You_ can feel free to do that if needed, Joe, it is your own choice. However, you don't get to chose for everyone else, nor do you get to label anyone who decides to defend themselves a "vigilante"

Hi bpm. Rape is against the law. Due process is very hard on rapists. If you shoot a rapist instead of relying on the process of law, you are a vigilante by choice. And you will be a manslaughter suspect.

The manslaughter laws which Adams supported, in your link, will be fully applied against you. Shoot away at rapists you fool, yo, go do it several times. You can do it in tandem with Jeffie, I'd like that.

I wish you, and your clear consciences, all the best in the aftermath.

Hi bpm. Rape is against the law. Due process is very hard on rapists. If you shoot a rapist instead of relying on the process of law, you are a vigilante by choice. And you will be a manslaughter suspect.

I would bet the vast majority of women would think it would be better to be a manslaughter suspect than a rape victim. Or dead.

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JFC. Winkler undermines Larry Pratt, conclusively. You seem to be a time-waster.

In the article under discussion Joe, he does nothing of the sort. You have major issues with reading comprehension if you think it breaks some new ground in your dream of a gun free utopia.

Or, instead of just claiming it breaks some new ground in 2A writing, how about you demonstrate that what you claim about this article is true - and show us the dozens of places it has been used in actual court cases?

Sorry Joe, legal self defense does not make one a vigilante. Unless you live in some fantasy land where the physical well being of the criminal is more important then that of the victim. Oh, sorry, wait... I just described the UK.

4 hours ago, jocal505 said:

﻿ And you will be a manslaughter suspect.

And if I acted within the boundaries of legal self defense, I won't be charged.

4 hours ago, jocal505 said:

The manslaughter laws which Adams supported, in your link, will be fully applied against you. Shoot away at rapists you fool, yo, go do it several times. You can do it in tandem with Jeffie, I'd like that.

You sure do have an active imagination about how lawful self defense works. It might even be called delusional.

Try reading the Adams defense again. I know that you won't, since your normal dodge of "did a founding father say it" can't be used to deny this one.

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Hi bpm. Rape is against the law. Due process is very hard on rapists. If you shoot a rapist instead of relying on the process of law, you are a vigilante by choice. And you will be a manslaughter suspect.

The manslaughter laws which Adams supported, in your link, will be fully applied against you. Shoot away at rapists you fool, yo, go do it several times. You can do it in tandem with Jeffie, I'd like that.

I wish you, and your clear consciences, all the best in the aftermath.

Congratulations, you wrote the dumbest thing on the internet today. Can't wait to see what you try for tomorrow.

The manslaughter laws which Adams supported, in your link, will be fully applied against you. Shoot away at rapists you fool, yo, go do it several times. You can do it in tandem with Jeffie, I'd like that.

You sure do have an active imagination about how lawful self defense works. It might even be called delusional.

Go ahead. Go shoot a rapist, for the benefit of mankind. On a good day, you could shoot more than one.

You'll be presenting a go fund me on PA. On the up side, you can become a jailbird lawyer, and make new friends.

JFC. Winkler undermines Larry Pratt, conclusively. You seem to be a time-waster.

In the article under discussion Joe, he does nothing of the sort.

You have not read The Standardlless Second Amendment, co-writtten by Adam Winkler Either that, or you can't read. That article is the consttutional death knoll for the saf. It includes one chapter on each type of judicial scrutiny, and concludes that gun restrictions are good to go under all three.

I could lose four hundred debates and still rub boothy in your face. He needed his wings clipped, but he could shoot a perp in the back in Times square, and the crickets would not sing jailhouse rock on PA.

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I could lose four hundred debates and still rub boothy in your face. He needed his wings clipped, he would shoot a perp in the back in Times square and the crickets would not sing jailhouse rock on PA

Well you have lost 400 debates but I don't know why you want to rub your butt on another guy, butt* you do you bro. Keep being wrong. Need me to list the 1000's of self defense shootings a year for you?

Well you have lost 400 debates but I don't know why you want to rub your butt on another guy, butt* you do you bro. Keep being wrong. Need me to list the 1000's of self defense shootings a year for you?

We could play that. And SDU's happen, the question is whether we want the populace seeking them every day, or even arming up for the possibility.

How long have you been around? Tom posted a few SDU's a day, for ten months, after Sandy Hook. In that timeframe, from the NY Times, I had access to 1oo+ gun screwups per weekend, and thirty or more per day. This is the last day, mate. Something like 48 incidents. The negatives of gun violence overpower any benefit of the 1200 SDU's which can be documented.

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A 5-year-old boy was shot in the stomach outside a housing complex in Jersey City, N.J., Wednesday afternoon. The shooter fled. A witness said said the shooting occurred in the children’s only place to play, a courtyard between three low buildings. “We need more cops around here,” she said. “We need a playground for these kids around here.”

The body of Raymond Green, who was reported missing on May 28, was found shot ten times in a padlocked metal box on his rural property in Rising Sun, Ind., Tuesday. Danielle Marie Green, 42, the victim’s ex-wife, was arrested on murder charges after police noticed a strange odor and saw flies swarming around the box. Green later told police she killed her ex-husband in self-defense after he threatened to kill her.

Michael Savignano, 56, was fatally shot in the chest by 48-year-old Vincent Edwards, who then reportedly shot and killed himself on the roof of his home in Milford, Conn., Wednesday afternoon. Edwards fired on officers, but none were hit. Police said the two men knew each other but did say how.

A girl and two boys were shot and wounded when a fight broke out at a housing complex in Mobile, Ala., Tuesday afternoon. A witness said several people were involved in the fight, one of whom called a family member. When the family member arrived, shots were fired. After the shooting, a man drove away from the scene and ran into a truck, which hit a power pole.

Jaylon Townsel, 17, was found shot to death in a car on its way to a hospital in northeast Houston, Tex., Wednesday afternoon. The victim was apparently placed in the back seat of a Dodge Charger after the shooting. Police said an altercation preceded the incident.

A 58-year-old man was shot to death during a feud with a neighbor in a driveway between their homes in Eastpointe, Mich., Wednesday morning. A neighbor said the two men, who used to be friends, were arguing over money. Police took a 48-year-old man into custody.

Majesty Jaques Conover, 19, was shot and killed at a housing complex in Macon, Ga., late Wednesday. Two men were seen arguing with the victim before the shooting. It is the fourth homicide in Macon this week.

A 16-year-old boy was shot in the leg while standing in the road in the Eureka Mill neighborhood of Chester, S.C., Tuesday night. The victim told police the gunshots came from the backyard of a nearby home.

A man was shot multiple times during a family dispute in Ware Shoals, S.C., Wednesday night. A 41-year-old man reportedly went to his mother’s house and refused to leave. The man’s stepfather warned him to leave twice before shooting him three times in the torso. The victim continued to argue with his stepfather as he was loaded onto a stretcher. The shooter was taken into custody but has not been charged.

One person was shot and wounded during an argument at a basketball court in the Liberty Village Housing Area at the Fort Hood military installation in Killeen, Tex., Tuesday night. The victim is a civilian and not affiliated with the Department of Defense. The shooting comes two months after an Army specialist shot and killed four people, including himself, after an argument over paperwork.

A teenage boy was shot and wounded outside a home in Newburgh, N.Y., Wednesday afternoon. Police believe it was a targeted shooting. “It’s just those kids are over there all the time, and I knew sooner or later something was going to jump off, being it was summertime,” a neighbor said.

Felecia Lewis, 30, was shot after wandering away from a mental ward and into someone’s home in Kokomo, Ind., Tuesday evening. Police said someone in the home called 911 once to report that a woman was trying to break in, and a second time to report a shooting. Officials said Lewis has been in trouble for break-ins before. “It’s bad that it happened, but everybody has the right to protect their house and family,” a neighbor said.

Ronnie Dick, 70, was shot and killed near Washtucna, Wash., late Tuesday. The suspect, Larry Turner, 60, who was the victim’s neighbor, was taken into custody at the scene after a short standoff. “It’s quite a shock for these small communities to hear that you have gunshots and you’ve got a fatality due to guns,” a local farmer said. “In these small towns that doesn’t happen very often.”

A man was shot in the face as he sat in a vehicle in the parking lot of a Walmart in Queensbury, N.Y., Wednesday night. A witness said the victim walked into the store afterward, leaving a trail of blood as he went. A man who saw the shooting said someone approached the car with a shotgun and opened fire.

One of two men wounded in a shooting at a home in Dodd City, Tex., Tuesday afternoon later died of his injuries. Police said one of the men was threatening to shoot himself, and they were both shot while struggling over the gun. Police are not planning to charge the survivor.

James “Tony” McKenzie accidentally shot and killed himself while driving his car in Meigs County, Tenn., Wednesday afternoon. The victim had a carry permit and his family said he always kept a gun on him.

William Tate, 33, was shot and killed while riding in a car along Highway 175 in Rylie, Tex., Wednesday afternoon. A suspect in another car tried to flag down the victim’s car and then fired a gun from the driver’s side, hitting Tate multiple times.

Johnny Lee Saxon, 48, was shot in the chest and killed in Hays County, Tex., Wednesday night. Police issued a warrant for 27-year-old Louis Antonio Ramos Jr. Deputies believe Ramos may have been shot twice during the fight. He has an extensive criminal history and is considered armed and dangerous.

Ted E. Divers, 29, was shot in the face after an altercation at a bonfire in Butler County, Pa., early Wednesday. Michael Anthony Grasak, 27, who had been drinking with the victim earlier in the evening, was arrested.

A 27-year-old man was shot while driving home in north Tulsa, Okla., early Thursday. He was found dead on a sidewalk less than a mile from his home. Police found a man hiding in the bushes nearby, but he’s cooperating.

A 33-year-old man was shot and killed in Springfield, Mass., Wednesday afternoon. Early that morning, 23-year-old Darnell Jenkins was shot to death and a 20-year-old woman was wounded in the Forest Park area, and a man suffered a collapsed lung after he was shot while riding his bicycle in the Bay neighborhood.

A man was shot in the stomach at a home in Cape Girardeau, Mo., early Wednesday, sparking a standoff with police. The victim told officers that Tommy Joe Davis III, 29, shot him after he answered the door. The incident may have been sparked by a love triangle.

A 24-year-old man was shot and killed at a gas station in the Wynnefield neighborhood of Philadelphia late Tuesday. Police said three men were outside the building when a fourth man walked up to them, sparking a conversation that escalated to gunfire. Investigators are trying to figure out if the three men and the shooter knew each other.

Ramdawah George William was shot three times in the chest during an argument with a man in a shopping center in Tampa, Fla., Wednesday afternoon. The victim’s girlfriend was spotted jumping up and down at the scene and screaming and crying.

According to the Gun Violence Archive, 7,986 people have been injured by gun violence in America and 4,534 have been killed since Jan. 1, 2014. That number includes 16 police officers killed, 507children injured or killed and 380 instances of defensive gun use.

That's a lot of stupid shit, for a 24 hour period. Just sayin'.

The Parents Against Gun Violence gave links to gun dumassery, every month, for years. It was a hoot.

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How long have you been around? Tom posted a few a day, for ten months,, after Sandy Hook In that timeframe, from the NY Times, I had access to 1oo+ gun screwups per weekend, and thirty or more per day. This is the last day, mate.

The Parents Against Gun Violence gave links to gun dumassery, every month, for years. It was a hoot.

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We could play that. And SDU's happen, the question is whether we want the populace seeking them every day, or even arming up for the possibility.

How long have you been around? Tom posted a few SDU's a day, for ten months, after Sandy Hook. In that timeframe, from the NY Times, I had access to 1oo+ gun screwups per weekend, and thirty or more per day. This is the last day, mate. Something like 48 incidents. The negatives of gun violence overpower any benefit of the 1200 SDU's which can be documented.

That's a lot of stupid shit, for a 24 hour period. Just sayin'.

The Parents Against Gun Violence gave links to gun dumassery, every month, for years. It was a hoot.

You said this is the last day and then posted a series of incidents that happened in 2014. You are pathetic. You knew these links were all placed in your database years ago. But you had to make is current, assuming no one would actuallly click on the links.

Not to mention you categorized these as “gun screw ups” when most were flat out assaults.

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You may not be charged for the first rapist you kill. So go ahead, shoot another. It feels good, you're on a roll now.

Joe, your endless violent fantasies make me glad that I live on the other side of the country. In addition to some reading comprehension classes, maybe you should look into some mental help.

13 hours ago, jocal505 said:

His mind did not operate defensively

Maybe additional help for your delusions of being a mental health professional.

13 hours ago, jocal505 said:

You have not read The Standardlless Second Amendment, co-writtten by Adam Winkler Either that, or you can't read. That article is the consttutional death knoll for the saf. It includes one chapter on each type of judicial scrutiny, and concludes that gun restrictions are good to go under all three.

Maybe you should contact Mr. Charles and ask him to explain that article to you.

I can only wonder if you actually read it: the pdf is 11 pages long, and the "chapter" on strict scrutiny is 2 paragraphs long; it never actually mentions a case that _used_ strict scrutiny.

"His prediction of disorder in the courts has come true: the lower courts are struggling with Second Amendment cases, using a wide variety of approaches to determine the constitutionality of gun control. Nevertheless, even in the absence of sufficient guidance about how to analyze Second Amendment controversies, the lower courts have consistently read Heller and McDonald to permit lawmakers wide latitude to protect public safety through gun laws."

I don't know where you actually ever saw me say that _all_ gun control is illegal, Joe. I'd expect that you would of already gone through your DB and posted if that were the case.

Do you really believe that the article says any and all gun control is legal? I'd suggest you go ram your head into a wall a few times then re-read the conclusion. Maybe understanding will occur with enough repetitions.

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Do you really believe that the article says any and all gun control is legal?

Um, I didnt say that. I said that three types of scrutiny are available, just like multile choce. You might think of it as the three bears. Look, Winkler counts 200 court cases and said that absolute interpretations of "infringe: will not fly, but that gun restrictions will.

BYW, in other writings, Mr. Winkler states that AW's can be regulated.

11 hours ago, bpm57 said:

Maybe understanding will occur with enough repetitions.

Could be. Try this one, from guess whom, from your own post.

11 hours ago, bpm57 said:

(Winkler here) Nevertheless, even in the absence of sufficient guidance about how to analyze Second Amendment controversies, the lower courts have consistently read Heller and McDonald to permit lawmakers wide latitude to protect public safety through gun laws."

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You said this is the last day and then posted a series of incidents that happened in 2014.

I posted the content of the last day of The Gun Report. Joe Nocera terminated it at one year, because violent gun hardheards had not budged, even a bit. One can display the damage to others, but one can't draw their conclusion for them...

I saved five or six days of The Gun Report of 2013-2014, for the idiots who want to claim SDU's are saving the day in the USA.

I bet you got my point, Mr. chinabald--we just looked at was 48 gun screw-ups in one day, pal. Let's look at another day from 2014. The typical gun violence gets kinda blendy with 2018 mate.

A DAY IN THE LIFE, NYT The Gun Report May 9 2014,

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Here is today’s report.

—Jennifer Mascia

Darrin Campbell, his wife Kimberly and their teenage children, Colin and Megan, were discovered shot to death in a murder-suicide in a Tampa, Fla., mansion Wednesday. The home, which is owned by James Blake, a retired professional tennis player, was set ablaze after the shooting. Campbell, 51, was caught on a store camera buying a large quantity of fireworks last Sunday. He told a clerk he was shopping early for the Fourth of July.

Luis Angel Zavaleta-Rios, 15, was shot and killed in front of a park a block from his home in Merced, Calif., Wednesday night. Police believe the shooting may be gang-related, but friends and family insist the victim did not have a gang affiliation. Police are urging anyone with information to come forward.

A 15-year-old was shot in the leg during a drug deal inBargersville, Ind., it was reported Thursday. The victim was planning to sell marijuana to a 16-year-old, who was accompanied by an armed 18-year-old. A few minutes later, the victim was seen running to a relative’s house for help. The 18-year old was arrested.

James Earl Chase Hoover, 31, was shot and killed, and his girlfriend was wounded, during an altercation with his grandfather at their home in Wilson County, Tenn., Wednesday night. James Frances Hoover, 77, was charged with criminal homicide. Police said the motive appears to be drug-related.

A 31-year-old man was pistol-whipped and shot twice during a home invasion in Waldorf, Md., Wednesday morning. The victim was leaving his apartment with his family when three men ordered them back inside at gunpoint. The suspects —19-year-old Antonio Eugene Yates, 30-year-old Jerrod Ocie Johnson and 15-year-old Andre Jerome Green — bound the victims’ hands and taped shut the mouth of a 3-year-old girl. The suspects fled and crashed their car into a guardrail. They were eventually apprehended. Police do not believe this was a random act.

A man was shot in the arm during an altercation between two groups of men in the parking lot of a Temple Hills, Md., grocery store Thursday afternoon. Police do not know what led to the altercation. “We don’t expect to have a shooting in broad daylight,” a police spokesman said.

Julian Paris, 54, who shot and killed his wife in front of her children at a park in Orange County, Fla., Wednesday afternoon, was found dead of a self-inflicted gunshot wound next to his late son’s grave Thursday evening. Paris, whose given name was Rick Adderly, had been on the run since killing his estranged wife, 34-year-old Liza Nicole Adderlini. Paris’s son died two years ago in a pedestrian accident at the age of 18.

Zarrel West, 59, and Fallon Hale, 30, were found shot to death in a possible murder-suicide at an apartment in Elmwood Place, Ohio, Thursday evening. They were both shot in the head. Police had made a call to the apartment the previous day for reports of a stolen firearm.

A sheriff’s deputy was shot in the shoulder in Jackson County, Ind., Thursday evening. The victim was responding to a call of two suspicious men near the rural community of Tampico. The officer approached one man, and another man, who was hiding under a bridge, opened fire. The officer returned fire, wounding the gunman. Both men were arrested.

Eugene Hofacker, 31, a state trooper, was shot and critically wounded while assisting a stranded motorist on Interstate 70 inGlenwood Canyon, Colo., Thursday morning. When two officers approached the car, the driver opened fire. The second trooper returned fire, killing him.

A sheriff’s deputy was shot in the leg in Payette, Idaho, Thursday afternoon. Corporal Jason Jones spotted a blue Jaguar that matched the description of a vehicle involved in a shots-fired incident near an elementary school in Ontario, Ore. Before backup could arrive, the driver, Jose Rodriguez-Moncada, 24, pulled out a handgun and opened fire. He was killed by police.

Lawrence Alecine, 24, was shot three times and critically injured inElizabeth, N.J., late Wednesday. A witness reported seeing five or six people standing outside a closed variety store moments before shots rang out. The victim walked to a hospital.

David Walker, 75, opened fire on two men he said he found rummaging through his home in Anderson County, N.C., Wednesday morning. Andrew Allen, 19, was shot in the back. It is unclear what he and his friend, Norris Harris, were doing at Walker’s house. Police have not revealed whether anyone will be charged, or if castle doctrine applies in this case.

A 20-year-old man was shot multiple times in the Sheridan Park neighborhood of Chicago Thursday morning. That afternoon on the South Side of Chicago, a 56-year-old woman was shot while sitting on her porch. Someone had opened fire on a group of people across the street but hit the woman instead. A couple of hours later, a 20-year-old man was shot in the leg in a drive-by shooting. Authorities said the victim is a documented gang member.

A 27-year-old woman, who is five months pregnant, was shot in the leg during a drive-by incident near her family home in Omaha, Neb., early Thursday. A man with the victim was grazed by a bullet. Anyone with information is urged to call police.

Keith Marsh, 22, was shot and killed outside an apartment complex in the Eastmoor neighborhood of Columbus, Ohio, Thursday night. A man told police he saw a suspect running from the scene. No word on a motive.

Eric Cannady Jr., 29, fatally shot in the English Woods neighborhood of Cincinnati, Ohio, Wednesday night. The victim was found on the street with multiple gunshot wounds. “We hear gunshots all the time,” said a nearby resident, who heard 13 or 14 shots fired. This is the 34th homicide in Hamilton County this year.

A student at Georgetown College in Kentucky was accidentally shot by a fellow student-athlete early Thursday. Both men were walking back to their residences after a party when 24-year-old Terrence Jamal Boyd allegedly drew a semi-automatic pistol and began working the handgun’s slide, causing it to discharge. The bullet went through the victim’s thigh. Boyd surrendered to police.

A man was shot and wounded on the roof of a parking deck at Georgia Gwinnett College in Lawrenceville, Ga., Thursday afternoon, and police believe it may have been a suicide attempt. It has not yet been confirmed whether the victim was a student.

A 22-year-old man was found shot in the back on a street inWilmington, Del., Thursday night. Two men reportedly opened fire as the victim walked down the block. He is the 31st person shot in Wilmington this year.

Julian Johnson, 18, was shot twice at a home in Pleasantville, N.J., Thursday night. Some residents in the area said they heard as many as seven shots. An unoccupied police car was parked in front of the residence a deterrent due to violence in the area. A suspect fled on foot.

A 27-year-old man walked into a hospital emergency room with a gunshot wound in Gary, Ind., Thursday afternoon. Police arrested a 31-year-old man, who is considered a person of interest. No word on a motive.

A 42-year-old man was shot in the back of the head and critically wounded in the Allegheny West section of North PhiladelphiaThursday night. There is no word yet on a motive and no arrests have been reported.

A man was shot and seriously wounded by a co-worker after an ongoing dispute over money in Rancho Cordova, Calif., Thursday morning. Cristobal Chavez, 52, was arrested. The two men worked at a landscaping company.

A 20-year-old man was found shot and wounded on a road in East Palo Alto, Calif., Thursday afternoon. The city’s gunshot detection system picked up 15 to 16 shots. Witnesses saw a car leaving the scene, which police stopped. Three people inside were detained.

One person was shot in the arm at a park on the east side of Adrian, Mich., Thursday evening. Police said a sport utility vehicle pulled up and a group of people approached it in a friendly manner, but the occupants opened fire. The assailants fled, and their empty S.U.V. was later found.

Justin Michael, 30, was shot and killed in his home Grimes, Iowa, early Thursday. David Moffitt, 26, was arrested. Police do not believe it was a random act but have not revealed how the two men knew each other.

According to the Gun Violence Archive, 6,295 people have been injured by gun violence in America and 3,704 have been killed since Jan. 1, 2014.

An earlier version of this post included information from Sgt. Ray Bush of the Forth Worth Police Department, who wrote in an email last week that the employees at the Jack in the Box where Open Carry Texas staged a demonstration “locked themselves inside a freezer for protection out of fear the rifle-carrying men would rob them.” However, Brian Luscomb, vice president of corporate communications for Jack in the Box, told the New York Times this evening, “Our employees told us that they did not hide in the freezer.” We have amended the post to reflect this new information.

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Winkler counts 200 court cases and said that absolute interpretations of "infringe: will not fly, but that gun restrictions will.

I must of missed all of his strict scrutiny examples.

Anyway..

On 9/5/2018 at 3:51 AM, jocal505 said:

That article is the consttutional death knoll for the saf.

Of course it is, Joe. Everyone _knows_ 11 page surveys of recent court decisions are the be-all-end-all of constitutional legal writing. I'll bet its been featured in 100s of cases since it was written nearly 8 years ago.

When the en banc hearing was denied, I wonder how many phone calls the DC lawyers got saying "please don't appeal Wrenn to the supreme court"?

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(Winkler here) Nevertheless, even in the absence of sufficient guidance about how to analyze Second Amendment controversies, the lower courts have consistently read Heller and McDonald to permit lawmakers wide latitude to protect public safety through gun laws."

And Joe, while I realize Winkler is your latest man crush, the lead author on that article is Mehr.

And I'll ask you again: when did I ever say any-and-all gun control is illegal?

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Sheriff Carmine Marceno identified the two victims as Kevin Robinson, 56, and Javarcia Riggins, 22, during a morning news conference. He added a female victim is in the hospital with critical injuries and another male suffered minor injuries after being struck by glass, but not shot.

Marceno said the group was having dinner at TGI Friday’s next to Bed, Bath and Beyond. When they left the restaurant to go to their cars, they were gunned down.

This was not a random shooting and was a targeted incident, Marceno said

So it may not have been a "mass shooting" after all. I'm not sure whether flying glass counts.

The fact that the incident was a planned execution and not random does not, of course, change the political SOLution to mass shootings like this one:

You are discussing The Standardless Second Amendment, which is a paper or work or treatise thingee provided to us by Tom Ray. It is a wonderful read. It covers scrutiny comprehensively and intelligently, with a conclusion that gun restrictions can pass strict scrutiny.

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Hi bpm. Adam Winkler is considered a national expert on court scrutiny. Others quote him.

You are discussing The Standardless Second Amendment, which is a paper or work or treatise thingee provided to us by Tom Ray. It is a wonderful read. It covers scrutiny comprehensively and intelligently, with a conclusion that gun restrictions can pass strict scrutiny.

Since you claim to be familiar with that paper, would you point out the "strict scrutiny" cases they cover in it? I can't seem to find them.

17 hours ago, jocal505 said:

Tom is a vulture, menacing journalists who are generating fake news about gun violence.

Prohibits possession of assault weapons, defined as semiautomatic rifles and shotguns capable of holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition at once, either in fixed or detachable magazine, or any other ammunition-feeding device. Possession of handguns is not prohibited. Exempts military and law enforcement personnel in their official duties. Exempts and requires registration of assault weapons lawfully possessed prior to this provision’s effective date. Creates criminal penalties for violations of this amendment.

As usual, "assault" weapons include my squirrel gun with a fixed tubular magazine that fires the censored ammo.

A Miami-based political committee has proposed a constitutional amendment that would ban possession of "assault" weapons in Florida if approved by voters.

The proposal, backed by the committee Ban Assault Weapons Now, was posted on the state Division of Elections website this month.

The committee had raised nearly $410,000 since March, while spending almost $284,000, according to finance information. The expenditures included $75,000 last month to a California-based company for what was described in the finance information as "petitions."

I hear that 75k will buy you a really ammosexual SCAR out in California, or would when that was legal.

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Oddly enough, you were able to state that TeamD wants to ban and confiscate your squirrel shooter without the forum suppressing you. Funny that. ﻿

Well, no. I can't describe my gun in the usual way people describe such a gun because the software has been changed to suppress it.

The fact that grabbers mean "ban ordinary squirrel shooters" when they say "ban assault weapons" is not something that can be discussed.

The reason is simple: a gun control scheme like yours, under which a guy like me can't own a squirrel shooter like my wife's, would just never sell politically in America. That's why our grabbers always try to deflect back to "AR15's" or "machine guns" when I talk about what the bans actually cover.

Well, no. I can't describe my gun in the usual way people describe such a gun because the software has been changed to suppress it.

The fact that grabbers mean "ban ordinary squirrel shooters" when they say "ban assault weapons" is not something that can be discussed.

The reason is simple: a gun control scheme like yours, under which a guy like me can't own a squirrel shooter like my wife's, would just never sell politically in America. That's why our grabbers always try to deflect back to "AR15's" or "machine guns" when I talk about what the bans actually cover.

Well, no. I can't describe my gun in the usual way people describe such a gun because the software has been changed to suppress it.

Which is not what you said was being suppressed.

13 hours ago, dogballs Tom said:

The fact that grabbers mean "ban ordinary squirrel shooters" when they say "ban assault weapons" is not something that can be discussed.

Sure it can. You are doing so. Right now. Again. Like you do all the time.

13 hours ago, dogballs Tom said:

The reason is simple: a gun control scheme like yours, under which a guy like me can't own a squirrel shooter like my wife's, would just never sell politically in America. That's why our grabbers always try to deflect back to "AR15's" or "machine guns" when I talk about what the bans actually cover.

Premise invalid as is the conclusion. Merry Christmas. I hope your less tedious with your family. For your sake and theirs.

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Well, no. I can't describe my gun in the usual way people describe such a gun because the software has been changed to suppress it.

The fact that grabbers mean "ban ordinary squirrel shooters" when they say "ban assault weapons" is not something that can be discussed.

The reason is simple: a gun control scheme like yours, under which a guy like me can't own a squirrel shooter like my wife's, would just never sell politically in America. That's why our grabbers always try to deflect back to "AR15's" or "machine guns" when I talk about what the bans actually cover.

To grab your AW first we must take away your ability to describe your AW. After that you can’t say what was taken from you.

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Interests:12 countries with Islam as the state religion have the death penalty for atheists (apostasy), consider that fact before calling someone a racist Islamophobic Xenophobic bigot for criticising Islam.

Tom when they talk about banning Ruger ten twenty two assault rifles do they make exemptions for farmers like we do or is everyone supposed to get rid of them?

Will they still allow professional shooters to have assault rifles like we do in Pusstralia?

All of these animals were shot with a L1A1 SLR which is a scary military assault rifle

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Upper Hunter aerial cull takes out 4600 animals stalking farms

MORE than 4600 feral animals have been shot in an aerial cull program in the Upper Hunter in less than a month.

Biosecurity officers conducted the three-week program between Merriwa and Cassilis and then from Murrurundi to the edge of the Barrington tops, areas where water and feed is critically low. The shooting took aim at pigs, deer, goats, foxes and wild dogs.

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Not sure why this ended up in a thread where it was kinda out of the blue.

But my state doesn't (yet) have a stupid law that would ban such a purchase by me.

I hope it never does.

What state are you in?

Detroit is in MI. My gun also has a scope, haven't you been bitching for about a year about a FL proposed law that made your wife's tame dogballs an assault weapon? Very confused. I saw a side-by-side idiotic picture of two dogballs, not you? I slipped it in for no good reason. HNY.

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In Florida, legislators are extremely upset by guns like my wife's and your handguns, but they're so darn hoplophobic that they're upset by MY assault weapon too.

It looks like one of these:

The ban you're thinking about is a FEDERAL ban, so you might want to pay attention, as federal laws will apply to you too.

They want to ban my wife's gun because she put an adjustable stock on it. Details are in this thread.

There's stuff in there about your handguns too. Type your make and model into youtube along with the words full auto. If you get a video showing it firing full auto, your handgun is a target of that ban.

This is why I have asked you before for make and model information - so you can know which of your property has been deemed naughty by your betters.

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But I'm disputing that this is no fault of their own..they vote and being Floriduh many probably own guns and actively support 2A..How much sympathy do they show to dead children? Being sorry is easy. Doing something is not that hard either.

This is the DOING SOMETHING IN FLORIDA thread.

But just because you did something doesn't mean it was smart nor effective. My old squirrel shooter has been in the family about as long as I have and hasn't harmed anyone. I fail to see the need to ban and confiscate it.

As for DOING SOMETHING nationwide, that's equally stupid and only likely to cause more boating accidents, as it has in Canada and in US States where it has been tried.

Did it ever occur to you to wonder why the suggestion is always "something" and when I point out what that really means, I must be censored?

If not, let me help: it's because Americans won't support the bans on squirrel shooters that we see in your country and in Canada. My ownership of a squirrel gun has not a damn thing to do with any of the "mass" shootings in the DOING SOMETHING thread.