The question is do enought own a North American car or do we have a foreign
car.

Hmmm which North American cars are made in the third world, what % of the
rest contain a majority of forign parts?

Personally, I drive a Chev Astro?

Do we own third world produced stuff (I DO), are we willing to pay ten or
twenty dollars for those dollar store items.

Either we all must accept these developments or we must try to buy from our
companies its not a pick (Buy 3rd world, limit outsourcing )and choose.
Are we going to choose not try to save $$$$ personally, not too likely.

Most of us are guilty, we should change, but will we?

Given the opportunity, I always buy American made products. However,
I am not always given the opportunity.

It used to be possible to buy a new car that was entirely made in the USA. Now,
you cannot. It can be difficult to even find a car that has the majority of
the parts of US manufacture. Including your Chevy Astro.

The car I am currently driving is made from 51% US made parts, and was assembled
in the USA... Which of the big 3 do you think it is made by?

WRONG! It's a Subaru. The Japanese cars are frequently more made in America
than the cars made by the big 3. The small Fords are made by Mazda (owned by Ford).
The big Fords are made in Canada, Brazil, Mexico, and even partly in the US.

The guys in Belarus either need to start charging $70/hr, or we need
to levy $60/hour in duties and tariffs.

What do you have against free trade republicans?

Fascinating! The NAFTA and GATT laws that made this possible were the
spawn of the Clinton administration.

Some neocons been whispering in your ear?

Bush-I did the first NAFTA, Bush-II expanded it.

"President Bush signed the NAFTA agreement on December 17, 1992"
"George W. Bush wants to expand NAFTA. He currently is negotiating a
Free Trade Area of the Americas agreement that will expand NAFTA to 34
Central and South American countries as soon as 2005."

Etc., etc., etc.

Bush-II is the one wanting to import slave labor at very low wages
from Mexico as well.

Quote:

I have heard Bubba called a lot
of things, but never a republican.

Sadly, Clinton was a conservative.

Quote:

Looks like the neocons are outsourcing Hillery's
new helicopters (Marine one fleet of 23) too.

Hillary won't be getting one. They are part of the presidential fleet.

Exactly my point <G>.

Quote:

She may run for president in 2008, but she won't win.

Looke like the neocons will have worn out the old fleet
(going on all those taxpayer-paid vacations) so she will
need a new one.
--
Cliff

That's why, for
example, candy manufacturers have abandoned the US in droves- they
can't get sugar (their main ingredient) at anything close to world
price, yet they have to compete directly against those who can.

Most have moved to Canada where they can get Cuban sugar.
They still sell the candy in the US.
--
Cliff

There is a rather big gulf between the standard of living they can
earn for $10 per hour in Belarus, and what I can get for $10
per hour in the US. They can live like the professional engineers
that they are for that money in Belarus. I would have to live
in a group house, like a checker at Walmart.

Probably true.

If you make over US$ 200,000 per year you got a huge
tax cut though.
Everyone else will happliy pay for it with their US$ 8/Hr jobs
and higher prices for energy, food & basic housing & local
tax hikes. Unless the Mexicans get their jobs. They already
make too much, right?
--
Cliff

Actually .. not all Protel 99SE are transferable.. later ones aren't either.
Of course you can actually set up a company owning the licenses and sell the
company to get around this.. perfectly legal
I believe that the Altium will also allow a subsidiary to get licenses but
you have to get approval first

Caveat Emptor! This is based upon the last details that I was
told about the DXP license agreement.

To the best of my knowledge DXP a license is nontransferable,
not for resale. Be sure to read the license agreement thoroughly
and contact Altium to confirm the license is transferable before
you buy.
99SE licenses are transferable unless the owner has already
upgraded to DXP and installed DXP acknowledging the new license
agreement.
--
Sincerely,
Brad Velander

But I also like having a better than a third world standard of
living. The only way I can compete against $10/hour folks in
Eastern block countries is in quality of service. But their
quality of service is rapidly improving, and it is really cutting
into my business.

There is a rather big gulf between the standard of living they can
earn for $10 per hour in Belarus, and what I can get for $10
per hour in the US. They can live like the professional engineers
that they are for that money in Belarus. I would have to live
in a group house, like a checker at Walmart.

We need to level the playing field, but I am not willing to do it
by lowering the standard of living I have earned through my very
hard work.

The guys in Belarus either need to start charging $70/hr, or we need
to levy $60/hour in duties and tariffs.

I refuse to get a job where I have to say, "Do you want fries with that?"

Simon,
Good points, I had not heard of the 99SE limited licenses.
You are correct about the sale of the company or a
subsidiary. That is common with most CAD software licenses as
well. (I know this first hand because I have investigated that
several times when my employers were bought by another company.)

But once you are finished, was it worth it?
--
Sincerely,
Brad Velander

Actually .. not all Protel 99SE are transferable.. later ones
aren't either.
Of course you can actually set up a company owning the licenses
and sell the
company to get around this.. perfectly legal
I believe that the Altium will also allow a subsidiary to get
licenses but
you have to get approval first

I realize Altium produces both, but can Gerber files be produced for a
moderate sized (50 component) double sided board requiring SMT and no
VLSI in either, with the same end results?

In otherwords, is Protel DXP overkill or necessary to achieve desired
plot files for manufacture?

Ivan
DXP has a rather nice flood fill, it also has a nice rip up and relay
function,neither of which IIRC isn't in Circuitmaker for smaller size
projects like yours, other than that it will make little difference to
your design.

The AWWA rents our campus every year and holds a 1 day affair that shows
off the latest technology and instruments that they are marketing to the
industry. It's really interesting to walk thru the booths they set up
on the mall with all the high tech instruments that are now available.
I think one of the devices is a flowmeter that doesn't use a propeller
and/or venturi like the old ones used. I forget if it uses ultrasonics
or the diff between two thermal sensors, sort of like an anemometer.

They have alot of the remote instrumentation stuff, on VHF or UHF freqs.
Like those small cabinets with the DIN thingys that allow you to snap in
modules for sensing pressure or level, etc. The master then polls these
remotes over the radio channel. Lotsa neat, cool stuff.

Also they show off these remote cameras that they put down the pipes to
inspect them. Sort of like that scope the doc uses on your anal cavity,
but a lot longer.

Thankyou for bringing the changes to my attention. I was unaware that
the DXP line was no longer transferrable. Can't find the EULA to
confirm but it does not surprise me.

Whilst this brings the product into line with the other majors it has
in my opinion ( FWIW ) severely devalued the package as it has changed
it from being a valuable asset to simply an expense; a considerably
greater one at that.

That's why, for
example, candy manufacturers have abandoned the US in droves- they
can't get sugar (their main ingredient) at anything close to world
price, yet they have to compete directly against those who can.

Most have moved to Canada where they can get Cuban sugar.
They still sell the candy in the US.

Nah. As a sugar exporter, Brazil is much more of a factor than Cuba-
by almost 10:1 in terms of metric tons per year (15,000 vs. 1,700).
Cuba represents only about 5% of world sugar exports. It's ALL the
massive subsidies and restrictive trade barriers.

Right now, unlike with goods, generally, there is world-wide free
trade in most types of *information*. It's particularly to the benefit
of post-industrial economies like the US, Canada and Western Europe to
keep things that way.