whatsinaname wrote:...Frame has ABENI stamped on it on the top of the seat post stays....also has an A stamped on top of the forks....red irradecent paint over chrome....forks are all chrome as is a section of the rear triangle....has ULTIMA stickers on it.......

If it has ABENI pantographed (not stamped) into it with the stylised A on the fork crown, it's likely to be one of his own frames rather than something bought in. I would expect it to be a good quality frame. You can confirm that my pulling the seatpost and looking at the size of it. However, do prepare to be possibly disappointed as occasionally Mr Abeni's shop would put stickers on all sorts of things. If it's pantographed, that likelihood is diminished.

The ULTIMA stickers appeared on a lot of "shop level" bikes though - Abeni/Europa/Elan and some other brands too. It appears in more than one set of cyclomondo decals he was selling on Ebay. They appear on my Elan further up in this thread.

So we get the leaders we deserve and we elect, we get the companies and the products that we ask for, right? And we have to ask for different things. – Paul Gildingbut really, that's rubbish. We get none of it because the choices are illusory.

The elan from up thread finally back from the painter. Getting weighed in this photo, 2.6kg on the nose frame and fork. Now the fun begins!

So we get the leaders we deserve and we elect, we get the companies and the products that we ask for, right? And we have to ask for different things. – Paul Gildingbut really, that's rubbish. We get none of it because the choices are illusory.

Munga you mongrel low down dirty snot snuffling dog. Its glossier than your mums top lip.

So we get the leaders we deserve and we elect, we get the companies and the products that we ask for, right? And we have to ask for different things. – Paul Gildingbut really, that's rubbish. We get none of it because the choices are illusory.

So we get the leaders we deserve and we elect, we get the companies and the products that we ask for, right? And we have to ask for different things. – Paul Gildingbut really, that's rubbish. We get none of it because the choices are illusory.

So we get the leaders we deserve and we elect, we get the companies and the products that we ask for, right? And we have to ask for different things. – Paul Gildingbut really, that's rubbish. We get none of it because the choices are illusory.

Not quite saronni red but something very similar from the Mazda catalogue, in a 3 part paint system that is full of the prettiest little bits of mica you have ever seen.Forks is white pearl - not a full pearl but a subtle one from the same year mazda catalogue.

Single pivot Athena brakes and seatpost for old school styling!

Not sure about rims yet. I am semi-seriously considering the Fulcrum Racing Zero I normally use on my race bike, but the reds are not quite compatible. I have a set of Omega rims, but the rear hub is not 10 speed compatible and I can't find an affordable 10 speed polished silver one, so the zeroes may just have to do for a while.

So we get the leaders we deserve and we elect, we get the companies and the products that we ask for, right? And we have to ask for different things. – Paul Gildingbut really, that's rubbish. We get none of it because the choices are illusory.

Sweet! Pity we couldn't manage to put together a matching wheelset for that open 4 CD you have on the front. I have a lonely Open 4CD rear that originally came with my Elan, albeit laced to an 8 speed campagnolo hub.

So we get the leaders we deserve and we elect, we get the companies and the products that we ask for, right? And we have to ask for different things. – Paul Gildingbut really, that's rubbish. We get none of it because the choices are illusory.

So we get the leaders we deserve and we elect, we get the companies and the products that we ask for, right? And we have to ask for different things. – Paul Gildingbut really, that's rubbish. We get none of it because the choices are illusory.

Yep - sounds about right. Although, kinda spendy when you think you can occasionally pick up a brand new Veloce group for $450 or so. Has the busted "power" shifters but meh.

Having said that, I think perhaps 27" Europa really needs japanese gear on it, The blue one that started this thread has SunTour Arx which is quite pretty and well made for an entry level group, plus if you score the bar end shifters it can be made very neat looking.

So we get the leaders we deserve and we elect, we get the companies and the products that we ask for, right? And we have to ask for different things. – Paul Gildingbut really, that's rubbish. We get none of it because the choices are illusory.

I have this Europa sitting at home gathering dust.. had it disassembled by flashing pedals and repainted by joe cosgrove then reassembled and restickered.Done in the early 90's from memory..It was black originally..Needs to go to a home who will actually use it

So we get the leaders we deserve and we elect, we get the companies and the products that we ask for, right? And we have to ask for different things. – Paul Gildingbut really, that's rubbish. We get none of it because the choices are illusory.