Volcom's PRIME & T-911 Stack

Funny how most of us used to be cardio freaks in our past. If I remember correctly, Irish used to run a lot too and I used to ride 5hrs 4-5x a week

So basically, you were getting in touch with your inner Kenyan. 5hours a day! Yeeeesh! At least my 8.8 miles runs only took around 2hrs, and my weekend "long" runs, were 3hours to 3.5hours. 5hrs, wow, that's a time investment that requires a special level of dedication (and The Beautiful Mind, like craziness ).

I actually understand though, at that time, my circle of friends were into Iron Mans, Triathalons, half Iron Mans, so the Swim, Bike, Run deal was it. I was the lazy biotch couch potato of the group because I was "only" running 2 hours a day (less the 2 mile swims and 50 mile rides).

P.S. I wasn't trying to be preachy or sound like a guru and I wasn't addressing you or anything. I didn't want to sound like I was insinuating that you're not pushing yourself to the limits. Your comments just raised a thought I and I ranted to get that off my chest

i appreciate it man, even if it wasn't directed at me. it's the background on my computer. the new inspiration!

First time I can say I've had the problem of losing too fast though. Just goes to show how much weight can be lost while throwing around iron. It was the increase in lifting activity that caused the excess loss. I had to reduce my cardio to compensate.

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I highly doubt your a biatch, but in addressing that statement for general purposes. Apart from proper training and nutrition knowledge, because with the internet, you can learn all you need to learn to have the informational road map for bodybuilding success. You don't need to know anatomy & physiology in depth to be a decent bodybuilder and again, that information is wide spread and easy to obtain. Also, not taking into considering the element of amazing genetics, but being successful at bodybuilding comes down to this bottom line, your pain threshold. The higher your pain threshold, the better. Fatigue is pain, lactic build up is pain, pushing beyond the numbing reps is pain, general exhaustion is pain, the mental wear down as a result of the pain, is more pain, and people with high pain thresholds, lift closer to their full potential and at a level acclaimated for effective growth.

I see a lot of unprogressed people at the gym, smart, both knowledge about training schemes and dietary demands, but because they look like they're comfortable when they lift and seem to keep away from painful intensities, they lack progression, ie... more often the not, biceps curls don't end because you can no longer overcome the actual weight itself, it's the inability to overcome the pain of the next rep, the burn, the fatigue, the exhaustion...etc. Super-sets and drop sets are the zenith of pain and that's why they're so effective.

One of the traps of bodybuilding is that when you first begin, you can trip over a dumbbell and see results, but as your body becomes a veteran to resistance training, it demands entering that realm of uncomfortability and pain, which some people never cross over to. They do what worked in the beginning, but that's just not enough anymore.

I know when I lift, I'm expecting pain. I think on every single exercise I perform, I come to a point of grimace. My last rep is always a slow fight to finish and it's painful, in terms of burning, general fatigue, specific fatigue to the working muscle, general exhaustion, the numbing of that particular working muscle, all pain. To my gratitude, I have a decent pain threshold, so I can take my sets deep into that margin of pain, and once I fight through a painful set, I'm ready for more pain without any hesitation (once I catch my breath).

Delts are particularly painful, the burn is so condensed, so the pain is augmented (like bi's), but again, it's just keeping integral to your own pain threshold, or increasing that bar in order to reach new heights.

[P.S. Injurious pain is not included in this pain principle. If something feels off to the joints or if the pain is sharp & shooting, listen to the body and stop, but apart from that, it's the pain threshold that holds a lot of people back, in spite of their training & nutrition knowledge].

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to VolcomX311 again.

That just means he's repped me too recently to rep me again. I think you have to rep something like 10 other people before you can rep the same person over. (I believe this system was created to prevent bogus reppers who create multiple accounts just to rep themselves). Lame, I know, who'd have thought, but we've had people who care a little too much about reps (R.I.P. Boxememan).

That just means he's repped me too recently to rep me again. I think you have to rep something like 10 other people before you can rep the same person over. (I believe this system was created to prevent bogus reppers who create multiple accounts just to rep themselves). Lame, I know, who'd have thought, but we've had people who care a little too much about reps (R.I.P. Boxememan).

word. one of these days, i'm going to ask you a really, really hard question. i bet you'll still know the answer though.

I really like PRIME. I haven't taken anything MAJOR, like any supps that require a SERM. The most notable supps I've taken that I had great runs with are Junglewarfare, 3-AD, (I've taken DTH and DTHC, but it seemed no more effective then taking a multi), and Blue Gene. All of them I ran in a heavy loaded stack. With the JW I was on AP, Pslin, DCP, Sesamin Oil. On 3-AD I was on MassFX 2, Hyperdol X2, Lean Xtreme, while on Blue Gene I was also on Blue Up and I took DTHC with Sunami and 500mg of Icariian, a solo PRIME run and half run with T-911, then I added PRIME to the run (2nd exp with PRIME).

Truth be told, of my non SERM supps resume, based on a beginning to end run, and taking into consideration the fullness of the stacks thereof, PRIME expressed the most notable strength results "for me."

However, although I would recommend PRIME to anyone, supps are so ambiguous. I think I read like 99% positive reviews on DTH, but it was worthless to me. Not a lot of people like JW, but it worked very well with me. More often then not, I've read 3-AD being regarded as a joke, but that stack worked effing wonders in terms of muscle endurance. It was the first and only time in my life where I hit 225lbs for 22 reps, free bench. Legit Football Combine reps on the free weight flat.

PRIME is another one of those, love or hate it supps, and not only do I fall in the love category, I fall pretty hard in that category.

If I ever had a supplement make me feel like quoting Forrest Gump, "Jenny & Me are like peas & carrots..." PRIME just works that well in congruence with me, because I respond amazing to it.

I can't promise that will be your experience, because I've had friends on AM whom I trust as knowledgeable and hard workers NOT respond to PRIME and even given PRIME multiple chances (aka Steveo), but DragonFly & DreamWeaver could attest that PRIME works great for them, too.

Bottom line, I love it and I would recommend it 100% of the time, but supplements of all spectrum can be a risk, and such is the nature of the beast.

To paraphrase AM member Hank, If you've never been let down by a supplement, you haven't been in the game long enough.

I think what's most off-putting about PRIME are the hyper claims they make, but I don't ever take marketing claims to heart. I've never, EVER had a supplement FULLY live up to what the bottle said it was going to do on the back, or in the magazines, or even what I read on member logs. Reading a lot of positive reviews raises your chances of a jackpot, but it doesn't guarantee it.

Again, Hank said it best, If you've never been let down by a supplement, you haven't been in the game long enough.

I laughed when I first read that, but it stuck with me because that hit home to a "T"

I don't know if this helped, but i wasn't trying to push PRIME on you or lead you away, I just wanted to be honest about the big picture.

I have to bridge with DTHC and now I hear about people getting nothing from it. I am not so optimistic as I was about this product. Time will tell.

Time will tell. I've read MUCH more positive reviews then negative ones. Matter of fact, I think IC is the only other person I've come across who didn't respond to it (or was it Steveo?). I think the chances are much more likely then not, that you do well with it, but I'll cross my fingers for you either way.

To be fair and this is an odd phenomenon. I've experienced the MOST frequent and intense bouts of aggression while on DTH/DTHC, but the least amount of actual results.

I don't "feel" PRIME in that same drooling junkyard dog type of way, but by far I reap the greatest results But DTH/DTHC is filled with specific libido boosters and semen volumizers and odd stuff that I'm not really looking for... so I don't know.

I've read too much positive reviews on DTH to knock it, I can only assume it's just Volcom conducive.

I'll post a thread that can provide some more references. To preface the thread, it starts off as a PRIME nut-huggery thread, which I partook in, but it becomes more informational as it progresses. Mullet posts some overly-complex stuff as usual, but he really breaks down the product well. You'll also read the PRIME haters who jump in, and the rebuttals and the rebuttals to rebuttals, so it's a good mix of opinions, apart from the beginning nut-huggery.

I'll post a thread that can provide some more references. To preface the thread, it starts off as a PRIME nut-huggery thread, which I partook in, but it becomes more informational as it progresses. Mullet posts some overly-complex stuff as usual, but he really breaks down the product well. You'll also read the PRIME haters who jump in, and the rebuttals and the rebuttals to rebuttals, so it's a good mix of opinions, apart from the beginning nut-huggery.

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