from the burning blog entry here"RENO, Nev. — Today the organizers of Burning Man filed a lawsuit against Pershing County, Nev., to stop the county’s attempt to impose a drastic increase in fees on the annual weeklong event, which is held on public land managed by the U.S. government. This action will not affect the 2012 event."

Straightveg wrote:from the burning blog entry here"RENO, Nev. — Today the organizers of Burning Man filed a lawsuit against Pershing County, Nev., to stop the county’s attempt to impose a drastic increase in fees on the annual weeklong event, which is held on public land managed by the U.S. government. This action will not affect the 2012 event."

Well, nothing -officially-. I'd still be on the lookout for possible shakedowns from the local LEO's, if they happen to be of the same opinion as the disgrace of a judge quoted above. Hopefully the presence of the Federal folks will keep them from getting out of hand on the Playa itself, but I expect quite a bit more in the way of traffic stops and searches to be a distinct possibility.

Worst case is we pay $1.50 more per person per day. There might be limits set on nudity to confine it to a more nudist colony concept where it is set out of "public" view. sex or orgy camps will not be able to post signs "advertise" or "solicit in any way. I could see where they would want to increase Police enforcement to enforce nudity or luied act laws. it would require more money and I would not be suprised to see arrest made this year or next. Most likely people will have to cover the extreme gential area. I trust the BMO will tie this up in court for a while. I trust money talks and bullshit walks. With an event this size and growing i am expecting to see More outside regulation influences. After all it's a self titled city. I think it will be treated more like a city than a festival.

BatCountry wrote:Lovelock is the only town that Burners pass though that is located in Pershing County. I'm encouraging everyone I know to not spend money between Winnemucca and Fernley.

I disagree. Seems to me, we should go right on buying all the supplies we can in Pershing County. That way, the event becomes more important to the economy of the county, and they will have a better incentive to keep the event as and where it is.

Shambala wrote:At this point in time, the local economies depend on the money that the Burning Man Festival generates. It appears that Pershing County is attempting to drive over the golden goose with a police cruiser. It might be time to move this whole event to someplace fresh and new. Maybe something with rolling hills, trees and maybe a river flowing through. I'm ready!

Several problems here.

1. No big burns. Even if the area is not under wildfire conditions/burn bans, no "authority" figure will sign off on lighting multiple 100 foot tall structures on fire with big pyro displays in the middle of a forest or grassland area.

3. Critters. Snakes, bugs, furry things with teeth... The flood of raccoons alone going for trash would be horrific. Throw in some bears and it would get real exciting. Some e-tard would think the bear wants to be friends and try to give it a hug.

So, OK...we don't move to green, pristine hills, with babbling brooks. There are a fuckton of cities with these huge stadiums that can easily seat 80,000 or more. Awesome shows could be staged on the field and we could all stay in the local hotels and eat at the local restaurants.

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In my opinion, the Black Rock Desert is integral to Burning Man. Many of the features of the event originated organically in response to the playa's features. Easy (most years) biking is crucial. Just the concept of a literal blank slate is important. Burning Man could move, but the event would change dramatically, which is neither good nor bad, I suppose.

vargaso wrote:In my opinion, the Black Rock Desert is integral to Burning Man. Many of the features of the event originated organically in response to the playa's features. Easy (most years) biking is crucial. Just the concept of a literal blank slate is important. Burning Man could move, but the event would change dramatically, which is neither good nor bad, I suppose.

pink wrote:I'll have to look at a map and see exactly where Pershing vs Washoe is. Might not have to move very far

They're right next to each-other. Fairly straight border line, Washoe on the California side. The catch is that the vast majority of the easily accessible Black Rock Playa is in Pershing (there is an arm in Humbolt county to the north, but it would be one hell of a drive across the playa to get there!).

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pink wrote:I'll have to look at a map and see exactly where Pershing vs Washoe is. Might not have to move very far

They're right next to each-other. Fairly straight border line, Washoe on the California side. The catch is that the vast majority of the easily accessible Black Rock Playa is in Pershing (there is an arm in Humbolt county to the north, but it would be one hell of a drive across the playa to get there!).

Another possible factor is that when they did the National Conservation Area (dashes off to check if that's the proper designation for BLM) they designated a specific part of the playa as being for large gatherings. Other parts of the playa might not be permitted to host us.

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vargaso wrote:In my opinion, the Black Rock Desert is integral to Burning Man. Many of the features of the event originated organically in response to the playa's features. Easy (most years) biking is crucial. Just the concept of a literal blank slate is important. Burning Man could move, but the event would change dramatically, which is neither good nor bad, I suppose.

Sounds like Alvord desert in Oregon then?

Wow, yes. I seem to have gone this far in life without having ever heard of the Alvord Desert. Looks awesome, some great pics in this blog post:

In addition to doubling deputies at the event, the Pershing sheriff is tripling their office/jail space on playa this year. The more arrests and citations, the greater the justification for future expansion. Please don't be a law enforcement statistic.

Burners have financial power. We can spend more or less or no money in pershing county or Northern Nevada. If the area loses as much money in revenue as it is planning on gouging bmorg for it may back off. Let the county and state elected officials know that your groups plan to spend no money in Pershing county and surrounding areas until it rescinds the rate hike gouge and doubling of law enforcement. Let them know you support movng burning man to a different state. What pershing is doing is unethical and financial extortion.

Anyone taking offence at anything in my posts - tough. It's only an internet forum. Stop being overly sensitive. you are shallow and banal. Eplayans who spend hours a day posting need to make in person friends and mentally masturbate less.

jerroc wrote:There might be limits set on nudity to confine it to a more nudist colony concept where it is set out of "public" view.

I could see where they would want to increase Police enforcement to enforce nudity or luied act laws.

Most likely people will have to cover the extreme gential area.

this does not just disappoint me, it pisses me off

Please understand I do not care weather a person wants to wear clothes or not. It Really does not matter to me. I only stated I understand there are people who disagree with these ideas and if it is in there power they will try to change it. I prefer my clothes on so this enforcement will not effect me. I don't see making people wear clothes as a 1st amendment violation so I don't feel my rights are taken away. If other people feel differently I have no problem with that either.

If it's BLM land, it's BLM land. The county could enact a $50 per night minimum fee for camping within the county of Pershing, but that would not require that the BLM to start gathering such fees for camping in the Black Rock Desert. Pershing County simply does not have such jurisdiction over BLM land. They do need to back off about this lewdness thing. Nobody within the county of Pershing may witness anything that goes on at Burning Man unless they buy a ticket and travel across the desert to get there. Of course, all this is mainly about wanting as much money as possible from arrests/tickets and about conservative political posturing for reelection's sake.

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jerroc wrote:Please understand I do not care weather a person wants to wear clothes or not. It Really does not matter to me. I only stated I understand there are people who disagree with these ideas and if it is in there power they will try to change it. I prefer my clothes on so this enforcement will not effect me. I don't see making people wear clothes as a 1st amendment violation so I don't feel my rights are taken away. If other people feel differently I have no problem with that either.

my feelings aren't directed at you. it's the situation that has me pissed.

this is my first burn. i'm a nudist so i was really looking forward to a no-hassle, clothes-free experience

I think it will stay put. Burning man would not work in a place other than the desert in my opinion. There are regionals around the south that I'm not to crazy about going to because they are in the woods. Well hell I live in the woods! I want to see the desert.

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jerroc wrote:Please understand I do not care weather a person wants to wear clothes or not. It Really does not matter to me. I only stated I understand there are people who disagree with these ideas and if it is in there power they will try to change it. I prefer my clothes on so this enforcement will not effect me. I don't see making people wear clothes as a 1st amendment violation so I don't feel my rights are taken away. If other people feel differently I have no problem with that either.

my feelings aren't directed at you. it's the situation that has me pissed.

this is my first burn. i'm a nudist so i was really looking forward to a no-hassle, clothes-free experience

I'm betting the odds of getting fined for public nudity this year are pretty much nil.

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shroom wrote:I think it will stay put. Burning man would not work in a place other than the desert in my opinion. There are regionals around the south that I'm not to crazy about going to because they are in the woods. Well hell I live in the woods! I want to see the desert.

I got the sense from my first Burn that part of what brings out that special Burny something in people is the harsh environment. Maybe that'd be lost in a more hospitable location. Not to mention there'd be a population explosion because said harsh environment is no longer deterring anybody from going. If it moves, I say keep it in a shit hole similar to Black Rock Playa.

"I will not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. I will face my fear. I will let it pass through me. Where the fear has gone, there shall be nothing. Only I will remain."

steve.t.sullivan wrote:I got the sense from my first Burn that part of what brings out that special Burny something in people is the harsh environment.

I completely agree. The difficulty in getting out there, preparing for it, the desolation....I think that adds to the experience. Not to mention when you are in the middle of nowhere with just a stark landscape, it makes the art pop out more.