cman:Plus, the Voyager story when they traveled back to 1996 and earth should be on this list

Oh, you do. Sorry I asked.

I'd be willing to rip First Contact off the list entirely, and plop that Voyager turd on the bottom of the list. I don't even really remember that Voyager episode, but I can predict that it had some unfunny "funny" moments, was resolved by a gigantic reset button, and was better than the non-sensical piece of crap that was First Contact which gave us the dullest incarnation of the Borg yet.

Time travel is the worst possible trot they ever used in that franchise. There are maybe TWO good uses in the whole history of the franchise. The Bill and Ted writers used time travel more interestingly and generally better than the Star Trek writers.

Both of the DS9 Episodes on the list are some of the finest Trek in the history of the franchise. When I watched Trial and Tribble-ations back in the first run days I fell in love with ToS all over again, bought it on DVD for an absurd amount of money as I recall.

Mugato:Shadow Blasko: Mugato: So in First Contact, if the Borg have time travel technology, why did they only use it once?

Because they lost a cube, a sphere, and a queen in the process?

I would chalk that up under "Lets not do that again"

Yeah but they proved that there as many Borg Queens as there are Datas.

Also true, but by 2378 the Borg have stabilized the transwarp hub and now have access to all four quadrants. Earth, and humans for that matter, are no longer a primary threat, or needed resource, so why bother with them?

FirstNationalBastard:No, they ruined the Borg when they introduced Hugh, and Picard was talked out of destroying the Borg because Geordi introduced him to Mary Sue of Borg.

Oooo... Solid disagreement here.

I think Hugh made the Borg even more terrifying, when it introduced you to the concept that the people who are assimilated are still in those bodies. Somewhere... buried under layers of torture and forced protocols.

Hugh is the abortion debate of ST TNG. Seriously.

Is it ethical to kill your enemy without mercy because they may be able to be saved? Is it an act of mercy to free them from the hellish prison of their assimilated existence?

Shadow Blasko:FirstNationalBastard: No, they ruined the Borg when they introduced Hugh, and Picard was talked out of destroying the Borg because Geordi introduced him to Mary Sue of Borg.

Oooo... Solid disagreement here.

I think Hugh made the Borg even more terrifying, when it introduced you to the concept that the people who are assimilated are still in those bodies. Somewhere... buried under layers of torture and forced protocols.

Hugh is the abortion debate of ST TNG. Seriously.

Is it ethical to kill your enemy without mercy because they may be able to be saved? Is it an act of mercy to free them from the hellish prison of their assimilated existence?

I waffled on saying Hugh.

However, we can all agree that Descent, straddling seasons 6 and 7, where Lore took over part of the Borg, was definitely the beginning of the bad times for The Borg, right?

Mugato:FirstNationalBastard: No, they ruined the Borg when they introduced Hugh, and Picard was talked out of destroying the Borg because Geordi introduced him to Mary Sue of Borg.

Picard should have been court martialed and thrown out of starfleet for farking that up.

If Picard were leading the charge in the Dominion War, we would have all been speaking Founderese within a month.

The Hugh incident showed Picard didn't have the stones to live with it.

ManateeGag:cman: Sisco, however, is able to channel his anger in ways that no other captain has been able to before. That anger makes him the cream of the crop when it comes to bad-assitry and leadership

Janeway would have just blown up DS9 at the first sign of Cardassian incursion.

But only if she could make sure her crew would be stranded on a runabout for 7 years because she blew up the station.

FirstNationalBastard:ManateeGag: cman: Sisco, however, is able to channel his anger in ways that no other captain has been able to before. That anger makes him the cream of the crop when it comes to bad-assitry and leadership

Janeway would have just blown up DS9 at the first sign of Cardassian incursion.

But only if she could make sure her crew would be stranded on a runabout for 7 years because she blew up the station.

maybe she would have flown the station through the wormhole then blew it up, somehow sealing the wormhole forever.

ManateeGag:FirstNationalBastard: ManateeGag: cman: Sisco, however, is able to channel his anger in ways that no other captain has been able to before. That anger makes him the cream of the crop when it comes to bad-assitry and leadership

Janeway would have just blown up DS9 at the first sign of Cardassian incursion.

But only if she could make sure her crew would be stranded on a runabout for 7 years because she blew up the station.

maybe she would have flown the station through the wormhole then blew it up, somehow sealing the wormhole forever.

Shadow Blasko:ManateeGag: FirstNationalBastard: ManateeGag: cman: Sisco, however, is able to channel his anger in ways that no other captain has been able to before. That anger makes him the cream of the crop when it comes to bad-assitry and leadership

Janeway would have just blown up DS9 at the first sign of Cardassian incursion.

But only if she could make sure her crew would be stranded on a runabout for 7 years because she blew up the station.

maybe she would have flown the station through the wormhole then blew it up, somehow sealing the wormhole forever.

Shadow Blasko:FirstNationalBastard: You know, if Counselor Troi were flying the ship with Janeway commanding, they would have just crashed Voyager into the Caretaker array and killed everyone.

Barclay would have gone back in time and saved Troi.

/and with that... I am off to work for a few. Have a nice thread.

And by "saved" you mean "re-enacted the ramming of the Caretaker array with his penis playing the part of Voyager and Troi's emo vagina as the array".

/Did you ever wonder if the first time Riker nailed Troi in the poop chute, she did that whole "Pain... I feel...GREAT PAIN" thing like she did in Encounter at Farpoint, to which Riker could only respond

wiseolddude:What was the TNG episode where the inhabitants ran around in white underwear?

Justice?

It was the one where farking Wesley ruined the stopover at Camel Toe, Moose Knuckle, and Tits World because he wouldn't just die.

/it was also about 5 episodes after Fear of a Black Planet, where Picard smugly talked about how he couldn't break the prime directive, then saves the High Nubian Princess by quickly bringing her back to life after she's poisoned, and then in Wesley ruins Planet Fark, Picard smugly breaks the prime directive when he could have just used the same damn trick to save the little farker.