Bradford Council was left leaderless today as Ian Greenwood lost his Little Horton seat after 17 years preventing Labour from taking overall control for
the first time since 1999.

It took four recounts before the Labour leader finally accepted defeat by the tiny margin of just 17 votes to the Respect candidate, Alyas Karmani.

With his seat the last to declare, Labour needed just one more victory to put it in the driving seat.

In the event, it was left with 45 seats – an increase of two – but exactly half of the 90 seats on the Council, meaning that it will have to form an alliance with another party to stay in power.

However, Labour may yet have an ace up its sleeve because Councillor Imdad Hussain – who was not up for re-election this time – was suspended by the Regional Labour Party from his Heaton seat before the election after it emerged he had been disqualified as a company director for seven years after his company went into liquidation last year.

He is currently listed as an “Independent” councillor and the Labour party apparently believes that he will continue to vote with the party whether or not he is reinstated following the current
investigation into his situation.

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Before yesterday’s ballot of one third of the Council, the Green party had held the balance and – if Labour can’t rely on Imdad Hussain – may well do again but that will be a decision for whoever
the Labour party chooses as its new leader.

Even if they failed to turn George Galloway’s “Bradford Spring” into Greenwood’s Labour Dawn, the party made enough gains on the back of the national
wave of protests against the Coalition’s austerity measures to keep Respect from holding the balance of power.

Respect had put up candidates in 12 Bradford seats with George Galloway confidently predicting up to eight gains. In the event, they took just five.

The results meant that Respect’s hopes of the Bradford West by-election result bouncing them into a position where they held the balance of power turned
as cold as the forecast for the bank holiday weekend weather.

The Conservatives and Liberal Democrats each finished the night with three fewer seats, on 24 and eight seats respectively, with the Greens remaining on three and five seats in the hands of
independents.

Coun Greenwood said: "I am sad to lose obviously but I've been a politican for very many years and some elections you win and some you lose.

"The people can deliver you in to office and they can take that away, and I think all politicians should treat that with the humility that's appropriate.

"From the moment the by-election result was declared it was clear to me that I had a fight on my hands. I've never taken it for granted - I fought a hard campaign and it was unsucessful.

"The issue I have with this situation is that Mr Galloway and his colleagues have made an awful lot of promises, particularly to young people in the district, that I am not convinced they are going
to be able to deliver and that bodes ill for the future in my view."

The result saw Respect's Alyas Karmani poll 2,191 votes followed by Coun Greenwood on 2,174.

Elsewhere, the next Lord Mayor of Bradford, Wharfedale Councillor Dale Smith, polled 2,252 votes, with Labour’s Dave Allen his closest rival with 694. Coun Smith said: “I am delighted. I had not
assumed I would win as there is always a tension in local elections.” He said voters in Wharfedale were “anxious” about protecting the green belt from development, adding: “We recognise the need
for affordable housing but we are concerned about the connectivity with places where there are jobs in Leeds and Bradford.”

Previously, Party affiliation was affected by class. Now, at least in Bradford, it appears affected by ethnicity. A new type of politics is dawning in Bradford and it is something our political leaders will have to take note of.

Previously, Party affiliation was affected by class. Now, at least in Bradford, it appears affected by ethnicity. A new type of politics is dawning in Bradford and it is something our political leaders will have to take note of.Tricky Dicky

Tricky Dicky wrote:
Previously, Party affiliation was affected by class. Now, at least in Bradford, it appears affected by ethnicity. A new type of politics is dawning in Bradford and it is something our political leaders will have to take note of.

God is great.

[quote][p][bold]Tricky Dicky[/bold] wrote:
Previously, Party affiliation was affected by class. Now, at least in Bradford, it appears affected by ethnicity. A new type of politics is dawning in Bradford and it is something our political leaders will have to take note of.[/p][/quote]God is great.Albion.

vbfg wrote:
If you two usual suspects think only Asian people are voting Respect you're kidding yourselves with your own bigotted ignorance.

It's more likely to be the voters who were kidding themselves.
Of more interest are the Mayoral votes, with a lot of NOs so far.

[quote][p][bold]vbfg[/bold] wrote:
If you two usual suspects think only Asian people are voting Respect you're kidding yourselves with your own bigotted ignorance.[/p][/quote]It's more likely to be the voters who were kidding themselves.
Of more interest are the Mayoral votes, with a lot of NOs so far.Albion.

vbfg wrote:
If you two usual suspects think only Asian people are voting Respect you're kidding yourselves with your own bigotted ignorance.

It's more likely to be the voters who were kidding themselves.
Of more interest are the Mayoral votes, with a lot of NOs so far.

Vote has gone no to an elected Mayor.
That's the main good news - no chance of a rogue yielding one man power over a large budget.
As for Respect, they're a yet another here today gone tomorrow party.

[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]vbfg[/bold] wrote:
If you two usual suspects think only Asian people are voting Respect you're kidding yourselves with your own bigotted ignorance.[/p][/quote]It's more likely to be the voters who were kidding themselves.
Of more interest are the Mayoral votes, with a lot of NOs so far.[/p][/quote]Vote has gone no to an elected Mayor.
That's the main good news - no chance of a rogue yielding one man power over a large budget.
As for Respect, they're a yet another here today gone tomorrow party.webess

at it again albino, can you not handle non whites voting, why does it upset you so much, are you worried that asians might finally get a voice.

theres been segregagtion in bradford for decades with complete areas, housing etc etc divided amongst racial lines, not that Respect is an asain only party as clearly people from all backgrounds are voting. ive never vote din my life but for hte first time i felt compelled to vote, and yes i voted respect. why? because i want change, i dont want my children growing up in apartheid with sub standard schooling and health services, and im pretty sure many others voted for change for the same reason. As always Albion, you remain an ignorant hate mongerer.

As for you Dicky, why dont yo come down to Bradford and see what else is affected by ethinity, it might be an eye opener for you.

at it again albino, can you not handle non whites voting, why does it upset you so much, are you worried that asians might finally get a voice.
theres been segregagtion in bradford for decades with complete areas, housing etc etc divided amongst racial lines, not that Respect is an asain only party as clearly people from all backgrounds are voting. ive never vote din my life but for hte first time i felt compelled to vote, and yes i voted respect. why? because i want change, i dont want my children growing up in apartheid with sub standard schooling and health services, and im pretty sure many others voted for change for the same reason. As always Albion, you remain an ignorant hate mongerer.
As for you Dicky, why dont yo come down to Bradford and see what else is affected by ethinity, it might be an eye opener for you.thingybob68

Mr Greenwood is quoted thus: "The issue I have ... is that Mr Galloway and his colleagues have made an awful lot of promises, particularly to young people in the district, that I am not convinced they are going to be able to deliver and that bodes ill for the future in my view."
Respect have gained 5 seats and don't, and won't, hold the balance of power. To expect Respect to ‘deliver’ anything from the position of a small minority group is setting up a straw man. After 17 years as a Councillor Mr Greenwood knows that only too well.
If this ‘Mr G’ (G2) really does want to test the G1's supporters’ dedication to the cause of youth in Bradford, let him press his extant Labour Council colleagues to offer Respect a high profile post in a Youth focussed Directorate.

Then, G2, we will be able to start to judge if Respect, at a local level, is more than a rag-bag of opportunist G1 wagon jumpers.

Mr Greenwood is quoted thus: "The issue I have ... is that Mr Galloway and his colleagues have made an awful lot of promises, particularly to young people in the district, that I am not convinced they are going to be able to deliver and that bodes ill for the future in my view."
Respect have gained 5 seats and don't, and won't, hold the balance of power. To expect Respect to ‘deliver’ anything from the position of a small minority group is setting up a straw man. After 17 years as a Councillor Mr Greenwood knows that only too well.
If this ‘Mr G’ (G2) really does want to test the G1's supporters’ dedication to the cause of youth in Bradford, let him press his extant Labour Council colleagues to offer Respect a high profile post in a Youth focussed Directorate.
Then, G2, we will be able to start to judge if Respect, at a local level, is more than a rag-bag of opportunist G1 wagon jumpers.AAA.Happy.Man

thingybob68 wrote:
at it again albino, can you not handle non whites voting, why does it upset you so much, are you worried that asians might finally get a voice.

theres been segregagtion in bradford for decades with complete areas, housing etc etc divided amongst racial lines, not that Respect is an asain only party as clearly people from all backgrounds are voting. ive never vote din my life but for hte first time i felt compelled to vote, and yes i voted respect. why? because i want change, i dont want my children growing up in apartheid with sub standard schooling and health services, and im pretty sure many others voted for change for the same reason. As always Albion, you remain an ignorant hate mongerer.

As for you Dicky, why dont yo come down to Bradford and see what else is affected by ethinity, it might be an eye opener for you.

Any segregation that has happened within this once great city has been SELF segregation. With large parts of the minority population refusing to become involved with the indigenous population, with purposefully choosing to live within their own community they/ you cannot then
Turn around and blame everybody else. The problem in every other racial community in Bradford has integrated, and respected the culture of the country they have chosen to become part of. Many years ago the council had a policy of integration through schools, ensuring children from all areas were taught together which had an impact On funding for other areas of education. This ended because the minority did not want it!

[quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote:
at it again albino, can you not handle non whites voting, why does it upset you so much, are you worried that asians might finally get a voice.
theres been segregagtion in bradford for decades with complete areas, housing etc etc divided amongst racial lines, not that Respect is an asain only party as clearly people from all backgrounds are voting. ive never vote din my life but for hte first time i felt compelled to vote, and yes i voted respect. why? because i want change, i dont want my children growing up in apartheid with sub standard schooling and health services, and im pretty sure many others voted for change for the same reason. As always Albion, you remain an ignorant hate mongerer.
As for you Dicky, why dont yo come down to Bradford and see what else is affected by ethinity, it might be an eye opener for you.[/p][/quote]Any segregation that has happened within this once great city has been SELF segregation. With large parts of the minority population refusing to become involved with the indigenous population, with purposefully choosing to live within their own community they/ you cannot then
Turn around and blame everybody else. The problem in every other racial community in Bradford has integrated, and respected the culture of the country they have chosen to become part of. Many years ago the council had a policy of integration through schools, ensuring children from all areas were taught together which had an impact On funding for other areas of education. This ended because the minority did not want it!darkhorse (he's a)

What great news, bye bye Mr Greenwood, don't let the door hit you on the backside whilst you leave.
Lets hope the next leader of the council actually does something rather than peddling out excuse after excuse for incompetance.

What great news, bye bye Mr Greenwood, don't let the door hit you on the backside whilst you leave.
Lets hope the next leader of the council actually does something rather than peddling out excuse after excuse for incompetance.Thee Voice of Reason

Think it's a lot worse for Labour here than it looks at first glance. As only 1/3 of council seats were up for grabs, so Take previous and divide by 2 to find how many seats they should get to be standing still. Labour should have got 16 seats Cons should have got 8. Libs 2.5.
Perhaps it's the last echo of Gordon Browns government?

Think it's a lot worse for Labour here than it looks at first glance. As only 1/3 of council seats were up for grabs, so Take previous and divide by 2 to find how many seats they should get to be standing still. Labour should have got 16 seats Cons should have got 8. Libs 2.5.
Perhaps it's the last echo of Gordon Browns government?Steve30d

vbfg wrote:
If you two usual suspects think only Asian people are voting Respect you're kidding yourselves with your own bigotted ignorance.

To be fair the evidence is in the election results. Winning in Heaton, City, Manningham & Bradford Moor and coming last in Wyke would suggest that Respect's voting base is mainly Asian.
Having heard the bloke who beat Greenwood talking in vague generalisations about what he's going to do for the youth of Bradford without any specific policies, I suspect there's disappointment on the way.

[quote][p][bold]vbfg[/bold] wrote:
If you two usual suspects think only Asian people are voting Respect you're kidding yourselves with your own bigotted ignorance.[/p][/quote]To be fair the evidence is in the election results. Winning in Heaton, City, Manningham & Bradford Moor and coming last in Wyke would suggest that Respect's voting base is mainly Asian.
Having heard the bloke who beat Greenwood talking in vague generalisations about what he's going to do for the youth of Bradford without any specific policies, I suspect there's disappointment on the way.angry bradfordian

thingybob68 wrote:
at it again albino, can you not handle non whites voting, why does it upset you so much, are you worried that asians might finally get a voice.

theres been segregagtion in bradford for decades with complete areas, housing etc etc divided amongst racial lines, not that Respect is an asain only party as clearly people from all backgrounds are voting. ive never vote din my life but for hte first time i felt compelled to vote, and yes i voted respect. why? because i want change, i dont want my children growing up in apartheid with sub standard schooling and health services, and im pretty sure many others voted for change for the same reason. As always Albion, you remain an ignorant hate mongerer.

As for you Dicky, why dont yo come down to Bradford and see what else is affected by ethinity, it might be an eye opener for you.

Any segregation that has happened within this once great city has been SELF segregation. With large parts of the minority population refusing to become involved with the indigenous population, with purposefully choosing to live within their own community they/ you cannot then
Turn around and blame everybody else. The problem in every other racial community in Bradford has integrated, and respected the culture of the country they have chosen to become part of. Many years ago the council had a policy of integration through schools, ensuring children from all areas were taught together which had an impact On funding for other areas of education. This ended because the minority did not want it!

look up the term white flight, and explain the contant harrassment and racism against non whites in the 60s, 70s and every other decade from the NF, to the BNP to the EDF, the names change but the people and the sentiment remain the same the onslaught is endless. And you say its one way - are you on strong medication?

[quote][p][bold]darkhorse (he's a)[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote:
at it again albino, can you not handle non whites voting, why does it upset you so much, are you worried that asians might finally get a voice.
theres been segregagtion in bradford for decades with complete areas, housing etc etc divided amongst racial lines, not that Respect is an asain only party as clearly people from all backgrounds are voting. ive never vote din my life but for hte first time i felt compelled to vote, and yes i voted respect. why? because i want change, i dont want my children growing up in apartheid with sub standard schooling and health services, and im pretty sure many others voted for change for the same reason. As always Albion, you remain an ignorant hate mongerer.
As for you Dicky, why dont yo come down to Bradford and see what else is affected by ethinity, it might be an eye opener for you.[/p][/quote]Any segregation that has happened within this once great city has been SELF segregation. With large parts of the minority population refusing to become involved with the indigenous population, with purposefully choosing to live within their own community they/ you cannot then
Turn around and blame everybody else. The problem in every other racial community in Bradford has integrated, and respected the culture of the country they have chosen to become part of. Many years ago the council had a policy of integration through schools, ensuring children from all areas were taught together which had an impact On funding for other areas of education. This ended because the minority did not want it![/p][/quote]look up the term white flight, and explain the contant harrassment and racism against non whites in the 60s, 70s and every other decade from the NF, to the BNP to the EDF, the names change but the people and the sentiment remain the same the onslaught is endless. And you say its one way - are you on strong medication?thingybob68

George Galloway is indeed a very astute man. He was aware of a significant number of Bradford West's population that did not have any political affiliation, and who were ripe for the picking. Yes, many of these were people of Asian origin, mostly Muslim, but do not be fooled into thinking that only Muslims vote respect! There is a saying "in a democracy, the people get the politicians they deserve." That is only too true here in Bradford, it's just that one man had the intelligence to try and engage with people who previously felt that nobody spoke for them. Time will tell if Galloway and respect are here today, gone tomorrow.
I dont agree with a lot of what Galloway says, and I definitely dont like the way he goes about things sometimes, but if he can get Bradford spoken about as a place that is moving forward, he cannot be anything but good.

The acid test is the next six months. Since his election, he's made some bold statements regarding the Odeon, Westfield, and the two professional sports clubs. Lets see how he does. Out of those four 'projects' if he gets two of them up and running, he will have done more for this city than many politicians who were born and bred Bradfordians, have in the last 20 years. There isnt now an election campaign to win, the parliamentary seat and council seats are decided, so lets see how respect make a difference. If they dont, you can say "we told you so!" if they do we all win! so for the doom mongers who dont like respect and Galloway, you cant lose!

Happy Friday everyone!!!!

George Galloway is indeed a very astute man. He was aware of a significant number of Bradford West's population that did not have any political affiliation, and who were ripe for the picking. Yes, many of these were people of Asian origin, mostly Muslim, but do not be fooled into thinking that only Muslims vote respect! There is a saying "in a democracy, the people get the politicians they deserve." That is only too true here in Bradford, it's just that one man had the intelligence to try and engage with people who previously felt that nobody spoke for them. Time will tell if Galloway and respect are here today, gone tomorrow.
I dont agree with a lot of what Galloway says, and I definitely dont like the way he goes about things sometimes, but if he can get Bradford spoken about as a place that is moving forward, he cannot be anything but good.
The acid test is the next six months. Since his election, he's made some bold statements regarding the Odeon, Westfield, and the two professional sports clubs. Lets see how he does. Out of those four 'projects' if he gets two of them up and running, he will have done more for this city than many politicians who were born and bred Bradfordians, have in the last 20 years. There isnt now an election campaign to win, the parliamentary seat and council seats are decided, so lets see how respect make a difference. If they dont, you can say "we told you so!" if they do we all win! so for the doom mongers who dont like respect and Galloway, you cant lose!
Happy Friday everyone!!!!Old Dave

Bradford was ground breaking in Education - yet again To even out some of the glaring injustices in a range of issues, including Socio-economic (Class), it introduced busing in the 1970s.
Who screamed and shouted, 'dh'?
Was it the parents who 'chose' to live in rotten housing, with their children in derelict inner City schools?
Did they complain that they had to traipse, by public transport, to leafy suburbs and modern buildings, for Parents' evenings?
NBL !
It was the vocal parents of the self pampering classes who had made sure that their children had the best of the best, at the expense of the hoi polloi mill fodder.
Why people live where they do, or have to live where they do, is a much more complex issue than you disingenuously try to portray, dh.

darkhorse (he's a) says... 7:24am Fri 4 May 12
Bradford was ground breaking in Education - yet again [Remember Margaret McMillan] To even out some of the glaring injustices in a range of issues, including Socio-economic (Class), it introduced busing in the 1970s.
Who screamed and shouted, 'dh'?
Was it the parents who 'chose' to live in rotten housing, with their children in derelict inner City schools?
Did they complain that they had to traipse, by public transport, to leafy suburbs and modern buildings, for Parents' evenings?
NBL !
It was the vocal parents of the self pampering classes who had made sure that their children had the best of the best, at the expense of the hoi polloi mill fodder.
Why people live where they do, or have to live where they do, is a much more complex issue than you disingenuously try to portray, dh.AAA.Happy.Man

thingybob68 wrote:
at it again albino, can you not handle non whites voting, why does it upset you so much, are you worried that asians might finally get a voice.

theres been segregagtion in bradford for decades with complete areas, housing etc etc divided amongst racial lines, not that Respect is an asain only party as clearly people from all backgrounds are voting. ive never vote din my life but for hte first time i felt compelled to vote, and yes i voted respect. why? because i want change, i dont want my children growing up in apartheid with sub standard schooling and health services, and im pretty sure many others voted for change for the same reason. As always Albion, you remain an ignorant hate mongerer.

As for you Dicky, why dont yo come down to Bradford and see what else is affected by ethinity, it might be an eye opener for you.

Any segregation that has happened within this once great city has been SELF segregation. With large parts of the minority population refusing to become involved with the indigenous population, with purposefully choosing to live within their own community they/ you cannot then
Turn around and blame everybody else. The problem in every other racial community in Bradford has integrated, and respected the culture of the country they have chosen to become part of. Many years ago the council had a policy of integration through schools, ensuring children from all areas were taught together which had an impact On funding for other areas of education. This ended because the minority did not want it!

Jung the psychologist got into some trouble over his thoughts on segregation in the 30s . He noted that throughout history, minorities have *always* banded together in groups, and lived near each other. Also while there were instances of forced segregation, most of it seemed to be self imposed, and for reasons of community and mutual support. It may not be PC but if that's what people want to do, and they have a choice, it's up to them.

[quote][p][bold]darkhorse (he's a)[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote:
at it again albino, can you not handle non whites voting, why does it upset you so much, are you worried that asians might finally get a voice.
theres been segregagtion in bradford for decades with complete areas, housing etc etc divided amongst racial lines, not that Respect is an asain only party as clearly people from all backgrounds are voting. ive never vote din my life but for hte first time i felt compelled to vote, and yes i voted respect. why? because i want change, i dont want my children growing up in apartheid with sub standard schooling and health services, and im pretty sure many others voted for change for the same reason. As always Albion, you remain an ignorant hate mongerer.
As for you Dicky, why dont yo come down to Bradford and see what else is affected by ethinity, it might be an eye opener for you.[/p][/quote]Any segregation that has happened within this once great city has been SELF segregation. With large parts of the minority population refusing to become involved with the indigenous population, with purposefully choosing to live within their own community they/ you cannot then
Turn around and blame everybody else. The problem in every other racial community in Bradford has integrated, and respected the culture of the country they have chosen to become part of. Many years ago the council had a policy of integration through schools, ensuring children from all areas were taught together which had an impact On funding for other areas of education. This ended because the minority did not want it![/p][/quote]Jung the psychologist got into some trouble over his thoughts on segregation in the 30s . He noted that throughout history, minorities have *always* banded together in groups, and lived near each other. Also while there were instances of forced segregation, most of it seemed to be self imposed, and for reasons of community and mutual support. It may not be PC but if that's what people want to do, and they have a choice, it's up to them.Steve30d

Let the smoke screen clear and you will see it isn't Greenwood (much as I don't like him) that is the problem but people like Reeves and Barra Mac who are totally unelected.
The councillors have very little or no power, they are just a front to make the electorate think they actually have a say

Let the smoke screen clear and you will see it isn't Greenwood (much as I don't like him) that is the problem but people like Reeves and Barra Mac who are totally unelected.
The councillors have very little or no power, they are just a front to make the electorate think they actually have a sayMike Strutter

Old Dave wrote:
George Galloway is indeed a very astute man. He was aware of a significant number of Bradford West's population that did not have any political affiliation, and who were ripe for the picking. Yes, many of these were people of Asian origin, mostly Muslim, but do not be fooled into thinking that only Muslims vote respect! There is a saying &quot;in a democracy, the people get the politicians they deserve." That is only too true here in Bradford, it's just that one man had the intelligence to try and engage with people who previously felt that nobody spoke for them. Time will tell if Galloway and respect are here today, gone tomorrow.
I dont agree with a lot of what Galloway says, and I definitely dont like the way he goes about things sometimes, but if he can get Bradford spoken about as a place that is moving forward, he cannot be anything but good.

The acid test is the next six months. Since his election, he's made some bold statements regarding the Odeon, Westfield, and the two professional sports clubs. Lets see how he does. Out of those four 'projects' if he gets two of them up and running, he will have done more for this city than many politicians who were born and bred Bradfordians, have in the last 20 years. There isnt now an election campaign to win, the parliamentary seat and council seats are decided, so lets see how respect make a difference. If they dont, you can say "we told you so!" if they do we all win! so for the doom mongers who dont like respect and Galloway, you cant lose!

Happy Friday everyone!!!!

Now the elections are over we'll hear little of Galloway - he'll now concentrate on his real interests - the Middle East and his media career.
"Bradford Spring" yeah right "Bradford Springboard" more like it George...

[quote][p][bold]Old Dave[/bold] wrote:
George Galloway is indeed a very astute man. He was aware of a significant number of Bradford West's population that did not have any political affiliation, and who were ripe for the picking. Yes, many of these were people of Asian origin, mostly Muslim, but do not be fooled into thinking that only Muslims vote respect! There is a saying "in a democracy, the people get the politicians they deserve." That is only too true here in Bradford, it's just that one man had the intelligence to try and engage with people who previously felt that nobody spoke for them. Time will tell if Galloway and respect are here today, gone tomorrow.
I dont agree with a lot of what Galloway says, and I definitely dont like the way he goes about things sometimes, but if he can get Bradford spoken about as a place that is moving forward, he cannot be anything but good.
The acid test is the next six months. Since his election, he's made some bold statements regarding the Odeon, Westfield, and the two professional sports clubs. Lets see how he does. Out of those four 'projects' if he gets two of them up and running, he will have done more for this city than many politicians who were born and bred Bradfordians, have in the last 20 years. There isnt now an election campaign to win, the parliamentary seat and council seats are decided, so lets see how respect make a difference. If they dont, you can say "we told you so!" if they do we all win! so for the doom mongers who dont like respect and Galloway, you cant lose!
Happy Friday everyone!!!![/p][/quote]Now the elections are over we'll hear little of Galloway - he'll now concentrate on his real interests - the Middle East and his media career.
"Bradford Spring" yeah right "Bradford Springboard" more like it George...webess

Talking of the respect candidate making promises he might not keep, why not look at yourself Greenwood and look at the actual promises you didn't keep not might not keep.

Remember the investigation on tax payers money for a cricket match in Leeds, what a soundbyte that was which wasn't followed through.
Westfield on site by February, thats another great one.
What about the true cost of the park that hasn't been revealed.
The turning a blind eye to the illegal markets and car washes across the city.
I could go on.

Talking of the respect candidate making promises he might not keep, why not look at yourself Greenwood and look at the actual promises you didn't keep not might not keep.
Remember the investigation on tax payers money for a cricket match in Leeds, what a soundbyte that was which wasn't followed through.
Westfield on site by February, thats another great one.
What about the true cost of the park that hasn't been revealed.
The turning a blind eye to the illegal markets and car washes across the city.
I could go on.Thee Voice of Reason

The wise populace of Bradford have spoken, and rejected this anti democratic move to a Dictatorship.
We've seen how the people of Little Horton, on the four year cycle, ousted G2 (Ex Councillor, ex Labour Group leader, ex Council leader) Mr Greenwood.
Every year the ruling Political Party elect their 'First amongst Equals, to act de facto, as a City Mayor, for ONE YEAR.
That system has some element of Democracy about it.
Not giving one person ALL the power and marginalizing our Councillors even more than the Centralist Tories and their Big Business trough sharing snouters do with everything they can get their trotters on.

We Bradfordians stand proud today, waving the flag of support for the Road to True Democracy, yet again.

Mayors not wanted here !
The wise populace of Bradford have spoken, and rejected this anti democratic move to a Dictatorship.
We've seen how the people of Little Horton, on the four year cycle, ousted G2 (Ex Councillor, ex Labour Group leader, ex Council leader) Mr Greenwood.
Every year the ruling Political Party elect their 'First amongst Equals, to act de facto, as a City Mayor, for ONE YEAR.
That system has some element of Democracy about it.
Not giving one person ALL the power and marginalizing our Councillors even more than the Centralist Tories and their Big Business trough sharing snouters do with everything they can get their trotters on.
We Bradfordians stand proud today, waving the flag of support for the Road to True Democracy, yet again.AAA.Happy.Man

thingybob68 wrote: at it again albino, can you not handle non whites voting, why does it upset you so much, are you worried that asians might finally get a voice. theres been segregagtion in bradford for decades with complete areas, housing etc etc divided amongst racial lines, not that Respect is an asain only party as clearly people from all backgrounds are voting. ive never vote din my life but for hte first time i felt compelled to vote, and yes i voted respect. why? because i want change, i dont want my children growing up in apartheid with sub standard schooling and health services, and im pretty sure many others voted for change for the same reason. As always Albion, you remain an ignorant hate mongerer. As for you Dicky, why dont yo come down to Bradford and see what else is affected by ethinity, it might be an eye opener for you.

Any segregation that has happened within this once great city has been SELF segregation. With large parts of the minority population refusing to become involved with the indigenous population, with purposefully choosing to live within their own community they/ you cannot then Turn around and blame everybody else. The problem in every other racial community in Bradford has integrated, and respected the culture of the country they have chosen to become part of. Many years ago the council had a policy of integration through schools, ensuring children from all areas were taught together which had an impact On funding for other areas of education. This ended because the minority did not want it!

look up the term white flight, and explain the contant harrassment and racism against non whites in the 60s, 70s and every other decade from the NF, to the BNP to the EDF, the names change but the people and the sentiment remain the same the onslaught is endless. And you say its one way - are you on strong medication?

There is truth in both sides but you are as bad as each other. Bradford has never had a policy of apartheid as far as I am aware and your assertion that it does or has is clearly wrong, vastly overstated and just intended to create an arguement not bring people together in peace and harmony.

[quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]darkhorse (he's a)[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: at it again albino, can you not handle non whites voting, why does it upset you so much, are you worried that asians might finally get a voice. theres been segregagtion in bradford for decades with complete areas, housing etc etc divided amongst racial lines, not that Respect is an asain only party as clearly people from all backgrounds are voting. ive never vote din my life but for hte first time i felt compelled to vote, and yes i voted respect. why? because i want change, i dont want my children growing up in apartheid with sub standard schooling and health services, and im pretty sure many others voted for change for the same reason. As always Albion, you remain an ignorant hate mongerer. As for you Dicky, why dont yo come down to Bradford and see what else is affected by ethinity, it might be an eye opener for you.[/p][/quote]Any segregation that has happened within this once great city has been SELF segregation. With large parts of the minority population refusing to become involved with the indigenous population, with purposefully choosing to live within their own community they/ you cannot then Turn around and blame everybody else. The problem in every other racial community in Bradford has integrated, and respected the culture of the country they have chosen to become part of. Many years ago the council had a policy of integration through schools, ensuring children from all areas were taught together which had an impact On funding for other areas of education. This ended because the minority did not want it![/p][/quote]look up the term white flight, and explain the contant harrassment and racism against non whites in the 60s, 70s and every other decade from the NF, to the BNP to the EDF, the names change but the people and the sentiment remain the same the onslaught is endless. And you say its one way - are you on strong medication?[/p][/quote]There is truth in both sides but you are as bad as each other. Bradford has never had a policy of apartheid as far as I am aware and your assertion that it does or has is clearly wrong, vastly overstated and just intended to create an arguement not bring people together in peace and harmony.enviroMENTAL

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
What great news, bye bye Mr Greenwood, don't let the door hit you on the backside whilst you leave.
Lets hope the next leader of the council actually does something rather than peddling out excuse after excuse for incompetance.

Also quoted for truth.

[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote:
What great news, bye bye Mr Greenwood, don't let the door hit you on the backside whilst you leave.
Lets hope the next leader of the council actually does something rather than peddling out excuse after excuse for incompetance.[/p][/quote]Also quoted for truth.Clowny

Mike Strutter wrote:
Let the smoke screen clear and you will see it isn't Greenwood (much as I don't like him) that is the problem but people like Reeves and Barra Mac who are totally unelected.
The councillors have very little or no power, they are just a front to make the electorate think they actually have a say

More truth! Lots being posted today.

[quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote:
Let the smoke screen clear and you will see it isn't Greenwood (much as I don't like him) that is the problem but people like Reeves and Barra Mac who are totally unelected.
The councillors have very little or no power, they are just a front to make the electorate think they actually have a say[/p][/quote]More truth! Lots being posted today.Clowny

Patrick Bateman wrote:
Over the years Mr Greenwood has assiduously courted the Asian vote: he must be quite bitter now they've turned on him. Arf!

This is true also.

[quote][p][bold]Patrick Bateman[/bold] wrote:
Over the years Mr Greenwood has assiduously courted the Asian vote: he must be quite bitter now they've turned on him. Arf![/p][/quote]This is true also.Clowny

Patrick Bateman wrote:
Over the years Mr Greenwood has assiduously courted the Asian vote: he must be quite bitter now they've turned on him. Arf!

Beaten at his own game so to speak.

[quote][p][bold]Patrick Bateman[/bold] wrote:
Over the years Mr Greenwood has assiduously courted the Asian vote: he must be quite bitter now they've turned on him. Arf![/p][/quote]Beaten at his own game so to speak.Thee Voice of Reason

Mike Strutter wrote:
Let the smoke screen clear and you will see it isn't Greenwood (much as I don't like him) that is the problem but people like Reeves and Barra Mac who are totally unelected.
The councillors have very little or no power, they are just a front to make the electorate think they actually have a say

There's some truth in this too.

[quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote:
Let the smoke screen clear and you will see it isn't Greenwood (much as I don't like him) that is the problem but people like Reeves and Barra Mac who are totally unelected.
The councillors have very little or no power, they are just a front to make the electorate think they actually have a say[/p][/quote]There's some truth in this too.Patrick Bateman

So Mr Greenwood, no Councillor wage or expenses to live on now. You just might find out what living on JSA is like, although I suspect you have become intentially jobless as you voluntarily put yourself up for election, therefore you should be exempt for 26 weeks. probably get HB though....

So Mr Greenwood, no Councillor wage or expenses to live on now. You just might find out what living on JSA is like, although I suspect you have become intentially jobless as you voluntarily put yourself up for election, therefore you should be exempt for 26 weeks. probably get HB though....Idontunderstand

Just out of interest what was Greenwood's 'day job' before he became a councillor/Labour leader? Is it 'back to work' for him come Monday (or whenever the investiture of the new councillors occurs)?

Just out of interest what was Greenwood's 'day job' before he became a councillor/Labour leader? Is it 'back to work' for him come Monday (or whenever the investiture of the new councillors occurs)?Patrick Bateman

Mike Strutter wrote:
Let the smoke screen clear and you will see it isn't Greenwood (much as I don't like him) that is the problem but people like Reeves and Barra Mac who are totally unelected.
The councillors have very little or no power, they are just a front to make the electorate think they actually have a say

Your point is taken, MS.
BUT
There is a great element of incompetence, inexperience, laziness, lack of skill, too many outside interests, etc, involved in what you correctly highlight.
Taking the example of most organizations:
The 'Chair' is elected, the CEO - appointed.
The Board - a mixture of NEDs, and Execs, makes Policy - the Executive brings it about.
If the Execs don't, or more seriously won't, they are 'Asked to leave.'
The dog wags the tail !

Is it possible that you are suggesting that lilly livered elected Portfolio holders on OUR Council are allowing the tail to wag our dog?
No! That could never be!
You're damned right, MS, it does!
(No comments about what is delivered to us from under the dog's tail, please.)

[quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote:
Let the smoke screen clear and you will see it isn't Greenwood (much as I don't like him) that is the problem but people like Reeves and Barra Mac who are totally unelected.
The councillors have very little or no power, they are just a front to make the electorate think they actually have a say[/p][/quote]Your point is taken, MS.
BUT
There is a great element of incompetence, inexperience, laziness, lack of skill, too many outside interests, etc, involved in what you correctly highlight.
Taking the example of most organizations:
The 'Chair' is elected, the CEO - appointed.
The Board - a mixture of NEDs, and Execs, makes Policy - the Executive brings it about.
If the Execs don't, or more seriously won't, they are 'Asked to leave.'
The dog wags the tail !
Is it possible that you are suggesting that lilly livered elected Portfolio holders on OUR Council are allowing the tail to wag our dog?
No! That could never be!
You're damned right, MS, it does!
(No comments about what is delivered to us from under the dog's tail, please.)AAA.Happy.Man

Forget ethnicity! Time for change. Bring it on.get westfield to the table now, start creating Hobson and get the city working again by creating wealth and inner well being by creation of jobs. City Hall sits at the centre of a rotting city and those within for the last 20years or so have to take a long peaceful look at what they have done to this great city. Long may they look on. Westfield,as a start, has to start building now and,if they cannot commit to so build within six months, they should be thrown out.time for positivity in this city to dismember the negativity which has been allowed to pervade this city for so many years.

Forget ethnicity! Time for change. Bring it on.get westfield to the table now, start creating Hobson and get the city working again by creating wealth and inner well being by creation of jobs. City Hall sits at the centre of a rotting city and those within for the last 20years or so have to take a long peaceful look at what they have done to this great city. Long may they look on. Westfield,as a start, has to start building now and,if they cannot commit to so build within six months, they should be thrown out.time for positivity in this city to dismember the negativity which has been allowed to pervade this city for so many years.tyker2

If it's true Respect are taking the Asian vote - good for them! If you dont like it lump it! Dont forget we export democracy all over the world from Afghan' to Iraq and when its implemented on out doorstep we dont like it???

If it's true Respect are taking the Asian vote - good for them! If you dont like it lump it! Dont forget we export democracy all over the world from Afghan' to Iraq and when its implemented on out doorstep we dont like it???YM

tyker2 wrote:
Forget ethnicity! Time for change. Bring it on.get westfield to the table now, start creating Hobson and get the city working again by creating wealth and inner well being by creation of jobs. City Hall sits at the centre of a rotting city and those within for the last 20years or so have to take a long peaceful look at what they have done to this great city. Long may they look on. Westfield,as a start, has to start building now and,if they cannot commit to so build within six months, they should be thrown out.time for positivity in this city to dismember the negativity which has been allowed to pervade this city for so many years.

Creating jobs,what the heck has Hobson to do with it? Predictive text sucks!

[quote][p][bold]tyker2[/bold] wrote:
Forget ethnicity! Time for change. Bring it on.get westfield to the table now, start creating Hobson and get the city working again by creating wealth and inner well being by creation of jobs. City Hall sits at the centre of a rotting city and those within for the last 20years or so have to take a long peaceful look at what they have done to this great city. Long may they look on. Westfield,as a start, has to start building now and,if they cannot commit to so build within six months, they should be thrown out.time for positivity in this city to dismember the negativity which has been allowed to pervade this city for so many years.[/p][/quote]Creating jobs,what the heck has Hobson to do with it? Predictive text sucks!tyker2

Old Dave wrote:
George Galloway is indeed a very astute man. He was aware of a significant number of Bradford West's population that did not have any political affiliation, and who were ripe for the picking. Yes, many of these were people of Asian origin, mostly Muslim, but do not be fooled into thinking that only Muslims vote respect! There is a saying &quot;in a democracy, the people get the politicians they deserve." That is only too true here in Bradford, it's just that one man had the intelligence to try and engage with people who previously felt that nobody spoke for them. Time will tell if Galloway and respect are here today, gone tomorrow.
I dont agree with a lot of what Galloway says, and I definitely dont like the way he goes about things sometimes, but if he can get Bradford spoken about as a place that is moving forward, he cannot be anything but good.

The acid test is the next six months. Since his election, he's made some bold statements regarding the Odeon, Westfield, and the two professional sports clubs. Lets see how he does. Out of those four 'projects' if he gets two of them up and running, he will have done more for this city than many politicians who were born and bred Bradfordians, have in the last 20 years. There isnt now an election campaign to win, the parliamentary seat and council seats are decided, so lets see how respect make a difference. If they dont, you can say "we told you so!" if they do we all win! so for the doom mongers who dont like respect and Galloway, you cant lose!

Happy Friday everyone!!!!

Where is Gallaway?
In London and not in Bradford now.

[quote][p][bold]Old Dave[/bold] wrote:
George Galloway is indeed a very astute man. He was aware of a significant number of Bradford West's population that did not have any political affiliation, and who were ripe for the picking. Yes, many of these were people of Asian origin, mostly Muslim, but do not be fooled into thinking that only Muslims vote respect! There is a saying "in a democracy, the people get the politicians they deserve." That is only too true here in Bradford, it's just that one man had the intelligence to try and engage with people who previously felt that nobody spoke for them. Time will tell if Galloway and respect are here today, gone tomorrow.
I dont agree with a lot of what Galloway says, and I definitely dont like the way he goes about things sometimes, but if he can get Bradford spoken about as a place that is moving forward, he cannot be anything but good.
The acid test is the next six months. Since his election, he's made some bold statements regarding the Odeon, Westfield, and the two professional sports clubs. Lets see how he does. Out of those four 'projects' if he gets two of them up and running, he will have done more for this city than many politicians who were born and bred Bradfordians, have in the last 20 years. There isnt now an election campaign to win, the parliamentary seat and council seats are decided, so lets see how respect make a difference. If they dont, you can say "we told you so!" if they do we all win! so for the doom mongers who dont like respect and Galloway, you cant lose!
Happy Friday everyone!!!![/p][/quote]Where is Gallaway?
In London and not in Bradford now.Joedavid

""""at it again albino, can you not handle non whites voting, why does it upset you so much, are you worried that asians might finally get a voice."""
quoted: ... seriosuly? FINALLY get a voice? behave! it irritates me how people make it sound like asians and minority groups are victims and don't get this and that! have a look at the figures of these; Most of the unemployed sponging benefites are non white as they can't speak english and refuse to learn - and most of the drug dealers and money launderers are non whites. you speak about non-whites being victims and FINALLY having a voice - give me a break!..... They CHOOSE not to integrate with the white community and think they can bring in their own ridiculous laws - and not bide by our own? excuse me but i think THEY'RE the ignorant pig headed ones. so DO NOT talk as if they're targeted! because most of them have it better than us!.....

""""at it again albino, can you not handle non whites voting, why does it upset you so much, are you worried that asians might finally get a voice."""
quoted: ... seriosuly? FINALLY get a voice? behave! it irritates me how people make it sound like asians and minority groups are victims and don't get this and that! have a look at the figures of these; Most of the unemployed sponging benefites are non white as they can't speak english and refuse to learn - and most of the drug dealers and money launderers are non whites. you speak about non-whites being victims and FINALLY having a voice - give me a break!..... They CHOOSE not to integrate with the white community and think they can bring in their own ridiculous laws - and not bide by our own? excuse me but i think THEY'RE the ignorant pig headed ones. so DO NOT talk as if they're targeted! because most of them have it better than us!.....Gemzki-Lou

Professional Councillor/NALGO Rep/County Councillor or County Council employee(???).......
think you have to go back a long time to his last proper job. no doubt I will be corrected...........

Professional Councillor/NALGO Rep/County Councillor or County Council employee(???).......
think you have to go back a long time to his last proper job. no doubt I will be corrected...........Idontunderstand

tyker2 wrote:
Forget ethnicity! Time for change. Bring it on.get westfield to the table now, start creating Hobson and get the city working again by creating wealth and inner well being by creation of jobs. City Hall sits at the centre of a rotting city and those within for the last 20years or so have to take a long peaceful look at what they have done to this great city. Long may they look on. Westfield,as a start, has to start building now and,if they cannot commit to so build within six months, they should be thrown out.time for positivity in this city to dismember the negativity which has been allowed to pervade this city for so many years.

Creating jobs,what the heck has Hobson to do with it? Predictive text sucks!

I agree. Ethnicity had nothing to do with it. Respect simply highlighted what we've all known for a bit. Greenwood didn't take control, he let events and his Regeneration Department rule. Look at his legacy, a city centre puddle, the Odeon, Westfield and Buck Lane.

[quote][p][bold]tyker2[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]tyker2[/bold] wrote:
Forget ethnicity! Time for change. Bring it on.get westfield to the table now, start creating Hobson and get the city working again by creating wealth and inner well being by creation of jobs. City Hall sits at the centre of a rotting city and those within for the last 20years or so have to take a long peaceful look at what they have done to this great city. Long may they look on. Westfield,as a start, has to start building now and,if they cannot commit to so build within six months, they should be thrown out.time for positivity in this city to dismember the negativity which has been allowed to pervade this city for so many years.[/p][/quote]Creating jobs,what the heck has Hobson to do with it? Predictive text sucks![/p][/quote]I agree. Ethnicity had nothing to do with it. Respect simply highlighted what we've all known for a bit. Greenwood didn't take control, he let events and his Regeneration Department rule. Look at his legacy, a city centre puddle, the Odeon, Westfield and Buck Lane.sorrow&anger

let's hope george galloway practices what he preaches - who's betting we don't hear from him for a while now? ...
i have my fingers crossed that rbadford will finally see a change! things can only get better cant they?

let's hope george galloway practices what he preaches - who's betting we don't hear from him for a while now? ...
i have my fingers crossed that rbadford will finally see a change! things can only get better cant they?Gemzki-Lou

So many people getting annoyed (why) times are changing may be for the better, I don't beleave so what is Galloway and the respect party going to do for Bradford and what is their hidden agenda. Let's wait stand back and see what crap comes out.

So many people getting annoyed (why) times are changing may be for the better, I don't beleave so what is Galloway and the respect party going to do for Bradford and what is their hidden agenda. Let's wait stand back and see what crap comes out.ertnec

Two observations:
Yesterday I passed a number of polling stations, predominantly in wards which had a respect candidate standing. Outside each polling station were a groups of respect party supporters who were obviously strongly "encouraging" people to vote for their candidate.
Secondly I am sure we all saw the TV reports from Odsal today showing the dismay of Ian Greenwood and the jubilation of Alyas Karmani and his supporters - interestingly not one female or one white British face among them.
Here's a prediction for george galloway - if the respect party continues to gain power, he will find himself surplus to requirements in the islamic respect party.

Two observations:
Yesterday I passed a number of polling stations, predominantly in wards which had a respect candidate standing. Outside each polling station were a groups of respect party supporters who were obviously strongly "encouraging" people to vote for their candidate.
Secondly I am sure we all saw the TV reports from Odsal today showing the dismay of Ian Greenwood and the jubilation of Alyas Karmani and his supporters - interestingly not one female or one white British face among them.
Here's a prediction for george galloway - if the respect party continues to gain power, he will find himself surplus to requirements in the islamic respect party.Mummys little Sunbeam

thingybob68 wrote:
at it again albino, can you not handle non whites voting, why does it upset you so much, are you worried that asians might finally get a voice.

theres been segregagtion in bradford for decades with complete areas, housing etc etc divided amongst racial lines, not that Respect is an asain only party as clearly people from all backgrounds are voting. ive never vote din my life but for hte first time i felt compelled to vote, and yes i voted respect. why? because i want change, i dont want my children growing up in apartheid with sub standard schooling and health services, and im pretty sure many others voted for change for the same reason. As always Albion, you remain an ignorant hate mongerer.

As for you Dicky, why dont yo come down to Bradford and see what else is affected by ethinity, it might be an eye opener for you.

Any segregation that has happened within this once great city has been SELF segregation. With large parts of the minority population refusing to become involved with the indigenous population, with purposefully choosing to live within their own community they/ you cannot then
Turn around and blame everybody else. The problem in every other racial community in Bradford has integrated, and respected the culture of the country they have chosen to become part of. Many years ago the council had a policy of integration through schools, ensuring children from all areas were taught together which had an impact On funding for other areas of education. This ended because the minority did not want it!

Spot on darkhorse.....When the Poles, Ukrainians' etc., came here after the war, they did not expect us to change for them. They sent their children to our schools to learn our language and then on a Saturday, they had their own school, to teach their children the cultures of their own countries. They had their own clubs, but still visited our clubs and made friends with us, so that we, as children, all grew up together as friends. The Asian community did not want this and so brought about their own segregation. Thingybob68....if you don't want your children growing up in apartheid with sub standard schooling, then don't send them to school in places such as Frizinghall, Barkerend, Manningham etc., because that is what they will get there. Sorry if that offends you, but I am only stating the obvious truth, and before you jump down my throat and accuse me of being racist, let me tell you that I have a couple of Asian friends of many years standing from school, back in the '60's and they actually agree with that statement.

[quote][p][bold]darkhorse (he's a)[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote:
at it again albino, can you not handle non whites voting, why does it upset you so much, are you worried that asians might finally get a voice.
theres been segregagtion in bradford for decades with complete areas, housing etc etc divided amongst racial lines, not that Respect is an asain only party as clearly people from all backgrounds are voting. ive never vote din my life but for hte first time i felt compelled to vote, and yes i voted respect. why? because i want change, i dont want my children growing up in apartheid with sub standard schooling and health services, and im pretty sure many others voted for change for the same reason. As always Albion, you remain an ignorant hate mongerer.
As for you Dicky, why dont yo come down to Bradford and see what else is affected by ethinity, it might be an eye opener for you.[/p][/quote]Any segregation that has happened within this once great city has been SELF segregation. With large parts of the minority population refusing to become involved with the indigenous population, with purposefully choosing to live within their own community they/ you cannot then
Turn around and blame everybody else. The problem in every other racial community in Bradford has integrated, and respected the culture of the country they have chosen to become part of. Many years ago the council had a policy of integration through schools, ensuring children from all areas were taught together which had an impact On funding for other areas of education. This ended because the minority did not want it![/p][/quote]Spot on darkhorse.....When the Poles, Ukrainians' etc., came here after the war, they did not expect us to change for them. They sent their children to our schools to learn our language and then on a Saturday, they had their own school, to teach their children the cultures of their own countries. They had their own clubs, but still visited our clubs and made friends with us, so that we, as children, all grew up together as friends. The Asian community did not want this and so brought about their own segregation. Thingybob68....if you don't want your children growing up in apartheid with sub standard schooling, then don't send them to school in places such as Frizinghall, Barkerend, Manningham etc., because that is what they will get there. Sorry if that offends you, but I am only stating the obvious truth, and before you jump down my throat and accuse me of being racist, let me tell you that I have a couple of Asian friends of many years standing from school, back in the '60's and they actually agree with that statement.Tinybantam

Gemzki-Lou wrote:
&quot;"""at it again albino, can you not handle non whites voting, why does it upset you so much, are you worried that asians might finally get a voice."""
quoted: ... seriosuly? FINALLY get a voice? behave! it irritates me how people make it sound like asians and minority groups are victims and don't get this and that! have a look at the figures of these; Most of the unemployed sponging benefites are non white as they can't speak english and refuse to learn - and most of the drug dealers and money launderers are non whites. you speak about non-whites being victims and FINALLY having a voice - give me a break!..... They CHOOSE not to integrate with the white community and think they can bring in their own ridiculous laws - and not bide by our own? excuse me but i think THEY'RE the ignorant pig headed ones. so DO NOT talk as if they're targeted! because most of them have it better than us!.....

As much as I feel bad agreeing with you Gemski, you are perfectly correct in what you say here.......and it saddens me to say that about the residents of this once great city. Once again the truth hurts, on all sides.

[quote][p][bold]Gemzki-Lou[/bold] wrote:
""""at it again albino, can you not handle non whites voting, why does it upset you so much, are you worried that asians might finally get a voice."""
quoted: ... seriosuly? FINALLY get a voice? behave! it irritates me how people make it sound like asians and minority groups are victims and don't get this and that! have a look at the figures of these; Most of the unemployed sponging benefites are non white as they can't speak english and refuse to learn - and most of the drug dealers and money launderers are non whites. you speak about non-whites being victims and FINALLY having a voice - give me a break!..... They CHOOSE not to integrate with the white community and think they can bring in their own ridiculous laws - and not bide by our own? excuse me but i think THEY'RE the ignorant pig headed ones. so DO NOT talk as if they're targeted! because most of them have it better than us!.....[/p][/quote]As much as I feel bad agreeing with you Gemski, you are perfectly correct in what you say here.......and it saddens me to say that about the residents of this once great city. Once again the truth hurts, on all sides.Tinybantam

Well, no people outside my polling station encouraging me to vote. We got a 28 year old woman winning in the City ward.

I look forward to Labour being held to account from the left and a new leader of the council.

People talking about Greenwood's legacy do seem to forget about the Tory-Lib Dem coalition that presided over the council for many years in the 2000s.

Well, no people outside my polling station encouraging me to vote. We got a 28 year old woman winning in the City ward.
I look forward to Labour being held to account from the left and a new leader of the council.
People talking about Greenwood's legacy do seem to forget about the Tory-Lib Dem coalition that presided over the council for many years in the 2000s.yorkshiredude

Camicus wrote:
Have a look at the respect website then tell us its not a part for the Asian community. THEY are making this about race not us.

Apart from the white candidates and er, white voters?

[quote][p][bold]Camicus[/bold] wrote:
Have a look at the respect website then tell us its not a part for the Asian community. THEY are making this about race not us.[/p][/quote]Apart from the white candidates and er, white voters?yorkshiredude

Unfortunately Labour has only had 2 years to put right 10 years of Tory mismanagement in Bradford. The Westfield site is a private venture and due to the downturn in the economy we have been left in the lurch, the Odeon again is in private hands and should be demolished,lets get Bradford back on its feet, WITHOUT Galloway he's got his job in Whitehall where will he stand next. Very sad to see Ian Greenwood loosing his seat, tribeal voting at it's worst.

Unfortunately Labour has only had 2 years to put right 10 years of Tory mismanagement in Bradford. The Westfield site is a private venture and due to the downturn in the economy we have been left in the lurch, the Odeon again is in private hands and should be demolished,lets get Bradford back on its feet, WITHOUT Galloway he's got his job in Whitehall where will he stand next. Very sad to see Ian Greenwood loosing his seat, tribeal voting at it's worst.yorkshirepud61

Idontunderstand wrote:
So Mr Greenwood, no Councillor wage or expenses to live on now. You just might find out what living on JSA is like, although I suspect you have become intentially jobless as you voluntarily put yourself up for election, therefore you should be exempt for 26 weeks. probably get HB though....

Maybe get a job with his favourite groups - the unions. After all, he has the experience prior to playing politics.

[quote][p][bold]Idontunderstand[/bold] wrote:
So Mr Greenwood, no Councillor wage or expenses to live on now. You just might find out what living on JSA is like, although I suspect you have become intentially jobless as you voluntarily put yourself up for election, therefore you should be exempt for 26 weeks. probably get HB though....[/p][/quote]Maybe get a job with his favourite groups - the unions. After all, he has the experience prior to playing politics.Yorkshire Lass

"tribal voting at it's worst", tribal voting is what got him there in the first place, he lost his seat due to the face people have broken away from tribal voting! Just because the white man lost doesnt mean he lost it because a "tribal" thing!

"tribal voting at it's worst", tribal voting is what got him there in the first place, he lost his seat due to the face people have broken away from tribal voting! Just because the white man lost doesnt mean he lost it because a "tribal" thing!YM

Its going to be interesting to see if respect are going to keep their promises and what GG is going to do for Bradford , from his track record not very much , its also going to be interesting to see how long before some off the respect newly elected Councillors switch to labour once they cant deliver on there promises .

Its going to be interesting to see if respect are going to keep their promises and what GG is going to do for Bradford , from his track record not very much , its also going to be interesting to see how long before some off the respect newly elected Councillors switch to labour once they cant deliver on there promises .URBAN WARRIOR

Mike Strutter wrote:
Let the smoke screen clear and you will see it isn't Greenwood (much as I don't like him) that is the problem but people like Reeves and Barra Mac who are totally unelected.
The councillors have very little or no power, they are just a front to make the electorate think they actually have a say

Your point is taken, MS.
BUT
There is a great element of incompetence, inexperience, laziness, lack of skill, too many outside interests, etc, involved in what you correctly highlight.
Taking the example of most organizations:
The 'Chair' is elected, the CEO - appointed.
The Board - a mixture of NEDs, and Execs, makes Policy - the Executive brings it about.
If the Execs don't, or more seriously won't, they are 'Asked to leave.'
The dog wags the tail !

Is it possible that you are suggesting that lilly livered elected Portfolio holders on OUR Council are allowing the tail to wag our dog?
No! That could never be!
You're damned right, MS, it does!
(No comments about what is delivered to us from under the dog's tail, please.)

CICERO 6AD

Politicians aren't born they are excreted.

Sorry, it fit too well.

[quote][p][bold]AAA.Happy.Man[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote:
Let the smoke screen clear and you will see it isn't Greenwood (much as I don't like him) that is the problem but people like Reeves and Barra Mac who are totally unelected.
The councillors have very little or no power, they are just a front to make the electorate think they actually have a say[/p][/quote]Your point is taken, MS.
BUT
There is a great element of incompetence, inexperience, laziness, lack of skill, too many outside interests, etc, involved in what you correctly highlight.
Taking the example of most organizations:
The 'Chair' is elected, the CEO - appointed.
The Board - a mixture of NEDs, and Execs, makes Policy - the Executive brings it about.
If the Execs don't, or more seriously won't, they are 'Asked to leave.'
The dog wags the tail !
Is it possible that you are suggesting that lilly livered elected Portfolio holders on OUR Council are allowing the tail to wag our dog?
No! That could never be!
You're damned right, MS, it does!
(No comments about what is delivered to us from under the dog's tail, please.)[/p][/quote]CICERO 6AD
Politicians aren't born they are excreted.
Sorry, it fit too well.Prisoner Cell Block A

Some ridiculous comments here. Of course all major parties canvassed for the Muslim vote, what do you expect. Also for those of you who think that only muslim voters voted Respect you couldn't be more wrong.
Many people are sick of the false promises made by the main political parties.
Whether Respect can deliver is another question but lets hope that this is a wake up call to others such as Gerry Sutcliffe who have has got very complacent and isn't representing his constituents best interests.

Some ridiculous comments here. Of course all major parties canvassed for the Muslim vote, what do you expect. Also for those of you who think that only muslim voters voted Respect you couldn't be more wrong.
Many people are sick of the false promises made by the main political parties.
Whether Respect can deliver is another question but lets hope that this is a wake up call to others such as Gerry Sutcliffe who have has got very complacent and isn't representing his constituents best interests.Billcliff

yorkshiredude wrote:
Well, no people outside my polling station encouraging me to vote. We got a 28 year old woman winning in the City ward.

I look forward to Labour being held to account from the left and a new leader of the council.

People talking about Greenwood's legacy do seem to forget about the Tory-Lib Dem coalition that presided over the council for many years in the 2000s.

Not to mention Eric Pickles....

[quote][p][bold]yorkshiredude[/bold] wrote:
Well, no people outside my polling station encouraging me to vote. We got a 28 year old woman winning in the City ward.
I look forward to Labour being held to account from the left and a new leader of the council.
People talking about Greenwood's legacy do seem to forget about the Tory-Lib Dem coalition that presided over the council for many years in the 2000s.[/p][/quote]Not to mention Eric Pickles....a reasonable sort of chap

Have faith in respect and GG, what I don't get is with all these anti respect ppl is that they are so sceptical. End of the day its not like your losing brilliant hard working councillors to the respect party, put it this way all 5 councillors defeated by respect last night were complety useless to bradford, and in the case of the four Asian guys, they were only out to help there own,bradrism does exist ppl,

Have faith in respect and GG, what I don't get is with all these anti respect ppl is that they are so sceptical. End of the day its not like your losing brilliant hard working councillors to the respect party, put it this way all 5 councillors defeated by respect last night were complety useless to bradford, and in the case of the four Asian guys, they were only out to help there own,bradrism does exist ppl,thedealsealer

URBAN WARRIOR wrote:
Its going to be interesting to see if respect are going to keep their promises and what GG is going to do for Bradford , from his track record not very much , its also going to be interesting to see how long before some off the respect newly elected Councillors switch to labour once they cant deliver on there promises .

Once the initial excitement has died down they will find out that GG is only in it for himself and that the real Labour party in Bradford does care about this city.

[quote][p][bold]URBAN WARRIOR[/bold] wrote:
Its going to be interesting to see if respect are going to keep their promises and what GG is going to do for Bradford , from his track record not very much , its also going to be interesting to see how long before some off the respect newly elected Councillors switch to labour once they cant deliver on there promises .[/p][/quote]Once the initial excitement has died down they will find out that GG is only in it for himself and that the real Labour party in Bradford does care about this city.yorkshirepud61

yorkshirepud61 wrote:
Unfortunately Labour has only had 2 years to put right 10 years of Tory mismanagement in Bradford. The Westfield site is a private venture and due to the downturn in the economy we have been left in the lurch, the Odeon again is in private hands and should be demolished,lets get Bradford back on its feet, WITHOUT Galloway he's got his job in Whitehall where will he stand next. Very sad to see Ian Greenwood loosing his seat, tribeal voting at it's worst.

Wrong, the HCA is a public body, its director worked with Greenwood & Hopkins at BCR.
.
www.cityoffilm.co.uk

[quote][p][bold]yorkshirepud61[/bold] wrote:
Unfortunately Labour has only had 2 years to put right 10 years of Tory mismanagement in Bradford. The Westfield site is a private venture and due to the downturn in the economy we have been left in the lurch, the Odeon again is in private hands and should be demolished,lets get Bradford back on its feet, WITHOUT Galloway he's got his job in Whitehall where will he stand next. Very sad to see Ian Greenwood loosing his seat, tribeal voting at it's worst.[/p][/quote]Wrong, the HCA is a public body, its director worked with Greenwood & Hopkins at BCR.
.
www.cityoffilm.co.ukClowny

NO MATTER WHO GETS ELECTED, "DO NOT FORGET"
THEY ARE ALL THE SAME
"**** TO THE tax paying people" as long as my back pockets full, THATS THEIR MOTTO, No Matter Who They Are, WE HAD NO RACISM HERE UNTIL THE "ASIANS ARRIVED"
& WE "ALL" KNOW THATS THE WHOLE TRUTH & NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, They Just Please Themselves What They Do, & IF Anybody Says Owt, Guess What, "ITS RACISM",
The Whites Were NEVER Racist To Anybody, NEVER HEARD THE WORD, Before THE ASIANS CAME HERE, We Have Had Every Race You Can Think Of Before THE ASIANS & Never Had A Problem, With Drugs Etc, & Galloway ??
Strange name for an asian??
Wonder Why He Uses, "George"
George Is BRITISH, Always Was, If Your Ancestory Was BRITISH Then You Are,, If Not YOU AINT You Are A Foreigner & Always Will Be, Nothing To Do With Racism
But Mark My Words ITS ONLY GOING TO GET BLACKER

NO MATTER WHO GETS ELECTED, "DO NOT FORGET"
THEY ARE ALL THE SAME
"**** TO THE tax paying people" as long as my back pockets full, THATS THEIR MOTTO, No Matter Who They Are, WE HAD NO RACISM HERE UNTIL THE "ASIANS ARRIVED"
& WE "ALL" KNOW THATS THE WHOLE TRUTH & NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, They Just Please Themselves What They Do, & IF Anybody Says Owt, Guess What, "ITS RACISM",
The Whites Were NEVER Racist To Anybody, NEVER HEARD THE WORD, Before THE ASIANS CAME HERE, We Have Had Every Race You Can Think Of Before THE ASIANS & Never Had A Problem, With Drugs Etc, & Galloway ??
Strange name for an asian??
Wonder Why He Uses, "George"
George Is BRITISH, Always Was, If Your Ancestory Was BRITISH Then You Are,, If Not YOU AINT You Are A Foreigner & Always Will Be, Nothing To Do With Racism
But Mark My Words ITS ONLY GOING TO GET BLACKERAntiDrug

What Respect have done is draw together people from different ethnic groups, focussed people on what they can do for Bradford, instead of standing by and letting the main parties do what they want to our city.

Respect has given youth a voice in our area. Many young people have been involved in politics for the first time. It is time for a new kind of politics. I'm sick of hearing the same old excuses from Bradford politicians. Now we have some idealists in here, untainted by the backroom antics that we've suffered since the days of Poulson and T Dan Smith.

This is a change that is long overdue. They cannot achieve much yet, but every new party has to start somewhere.

What Respect have done is draw together people from different ethnic groups, focussed people on what they can do for Bradford, instead of standing by and letting the main parties do what they want to our city.
Respect has given youth a voice in our area. Many young people have been involved in politics for the first time. It is time for a new kind of politics. I'm sick of hearing the same old excuses from Bradford politicians. Now we have some idealists in here, untainted by the backroom antics that we've suffered since the days of Poulson and T Dan Smith.
This is a change that is long overdue. They cannot achieve much yet, but every new party has to start somewhere.zippiehippie

The King is dead, long live the next incumbent but please, no more of the same Boys Club. Politics. Respect's success should be a wake up call. I hope that s/he completely reforms Labour Group.

The King is dead, long live the next incumbent but please, no more of the same Boys Club. Politics. Respect's success should be a wake up call. I hope that s/he completely reforms Labour Group.AtillaTheNun

So! Reality check, Respect predicted nine wins and got five, Respect predicted having the balance of power and failed, Respect predicted a win for an elected mayor, there was a "no" vote, Respect also predicted that they would win the resulting Mayoral Election, There won't be an election. Greenwood lost his seat but his party took control of the council.
Labour got in because the Tories are making unpopular decisions at national level, the Tories got in at national level because Brown mucked up Labours chances.
And so the merry-go-round continues (with a slight intrusion from a short-term visitor).

So! Reality check, Respect predicted nine wins and got five, Respect predicted having the balance of power and failed, Respect predicted a win for an elected mayor, there was a "no" vote, Respect also predicted that they would win the resulting Mayoral Election, There won't be an election. Greenwood lost his seat but his party took control of the council.
Labour got in because the Tories are making unpopular decisions at national level, the Tories got in at national level because Brown mucked up Labours chances.
And so the merry-go-round continues (with a slight intrusion from a short-term visitor).Albion.

Amir Hussain, the Labour councillor for Toller, who was caught holding a grenade launcher easily kept his seat. The voters were impressed with his direct approach and honesty.
Mohammed Khan, the Respect candidate pictured with a gun on the Pakistan/Afgan border just afer September 11th, was beaten to second in Barkerend by his brother.

Amir Hussain, the Labour councillor for Toller, who was caught holding a grenade launcher easily kept his seat. The voters were impressed with his direct approach and honesty.
Mohammed Khan, the Respect candidate pictured with a gun on the Pakistan/Afgan border just afer September 11th, was beaten to second in Barkerend by his brother.Saltaire Bantam

Albion. wrote:
So! Reality check, Respect predicted nine wins and got five, Respect predicted having the balance of power and failed, Respect predicted a win for an elected mayor, there was a &quot;no" vote, Respect also predicted that they would win the resulting Mayoral Election, There won't be an election. Greenwood lost his seat but his party took control of the council.
Labour got in because the Tories are making unpopular decisions at national level, the Tories got in at national level because Brown mucked up Labours chances.
And so the merry-go-round continues (with a slight intrusion from a short-term visitor).

same old, same old tripe from you albino - change the record please? Let us give these people a chance? If they don't perform then no doubt in 4 years time they won't get re-elected, simple! And in any event, Albino, it has been suggested you cast your vote for Respect so why so much hatred? Time will tell if GG is a short time visitor or whether he remains here for years to come and attracts jobs and investment, time will tell. Now do1 you sad old man

[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote:
So! Reality check, Respect predicted nine wins and got five, Respect predicted having the balance of power and failed, Respect predicted a win for an elected mayor, there was a "no" vote, Respect also predicted that they would win the resulting Mayoral Election, There won't be an election. Greenwood lost his seat but his party took control of the council.
Labour got in because the Tories are making unpopular decisions at national level, the Tories got in at national level because Brown mucked up Labours chances.
And so the merry-go-round continues (with a slight intrusion from a short-term visitor).[/p][/quote]same old, same old tripe from you albino - change the record please? Let us give these people a chance? If they don't perform then no doubt in 4 years time they won't get re-elected, simple! And in any event, Albino, it has been suggested you cast your vote for Respect so why so much hatred? Time will tell if GG is a short time visitor or whether he remains here for years to come and attracts jobs and investment, time will tell. Now do1 you sad old manra1nyn1ght

However, Labour may yet have an ace up its sleeve because Councillor Imdad Hussain – who was not up for re-election this time – was suspended by the Regional Labour Party from his Heaton seat before the election after it emerged he had been disqualified as a company director for seven years after his company went into liquidation last year.

He is currently listed as an “Independent” councillor and the Labour party apparently believes that he will continue to vote with the party whether or not he is reinstated following the current investigation into his situation

Proof if ever it was needed that the whole system is a shambles
However, Labour may yet have an ace up its sleeve because Councillor Imdad Hussain – who was not up for re-election this time – was suspended by the Regional Labour Party from his Heaton seat before the election after it emerged he had been disqualified as a company director for seven years after his company went into liquidation last year.
He is currently listed as an “Independent” councillor and the Labour party apparently believes that he will continue to vote with the party whether or not he is reinstated following the current investigation into his situationMike Strutter

Albion. wrote:
So! Reality check, Respect predicted nine wins and got five, Respect predicted having the balance of power and failed, Respect predicted a win for an elected mayor, there was a &quot;no" vote, Respect also predicted that they would win the resulting Mayoral Election, There won't be an election. Greenwood lost his seat but his party took control of the council.
Labour got in because the Tories are making unpopular decisions at national level, the Tories got in at national level because Brown mucked up Labours chances.
And so the merry-go-round continues (with a slight intrusion from a short-term visitor).

same old, same old tripe from you albino - change the record please? Let us give these people a chance? If they don't perform then no doubt in 4 years time they won't get re-elected, simple! And in any event, Albino, it has been suggested you cast your vote for Respect so why so much hatred? Time will tell if GG is a short time visitor or whether he remains here for years to come and attracts jobs and investment, time will tell. Now do1 you sad old man

Sorry I don't understand most of that drivel.
"it has been suggested you cast your vote for Respect so why so much hatred?"
Is that referring to myself?
It has certainly never been suggested to me that I vote for George's self-aggrandizing party, I would rather consume his excrement than give him my vote! Luckily I live well away from the city and Respect wouldn't waste their time in such a non-colonial area.

[quote][p][bold]ra1nyn1ght[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote:
So! Reality check, Respect predicted nine wins and got five, Respect predicted having the balance of power and failed, Respect predicted a win for an elected mayor, there was a "no" vote, Respect also predicted that they would win the resulting Mayoral Election, There won't be an election. Greenwood lost his seat but his party took control of the council.
Labour got in because the Tories are making unpopular decisions at national level, the Tories got in at national level because Brown mucked up Labours chances.
And so the merry-go-round continues (with a slight intrusion from a short-term visitor).[/p][/quote]same old, same old tripe from you albino - change the record please? Let us give these people a chance? If they don't perform then no doubt in 4 years time they won't get re-elected, simple! And in any event, Albino, it has been suggested you cast your vote for Respect so why so much hatred? Time will tell if GG is a short time visitor or whether he remains here for years to come and attracts jobs and investment, time will tell. Now do1 you sad old man[/p][/quote]Sorry I don't understand most of that drivel.
"it has been suggested you cast your vote for Respect so why so much hatred?"
Is that referring to myself?
It has certainly never been suggested to me that I vote for George's self-aggrandizing party, I would rather consume his excrement than give him my vote! Luckily I live well away from the city and Respect wouldn't waste their time in such a non-colonial area.Albion.

thingybob68 wrote: at it again albino, can you not handle non whites voting, why does it upset you so much, are you worried that asians might finally get a voice. theres been segregagtion in bradford for decades with complete areas, housing etc etc divided amongst racial lines, not that Respect is an asain only party as clearly people from all backgrounds are voting. ive never vote din my life but for hte first time i felt compelled to vote, and yes i voted respect. why? because i want change, i dont want my children growing up in apartheid with sub standard schooling and health services, and im pretty sure many others voted for change for the same reason. As always Albion, you remain an ignorant hate mongerer. As for you Dicky, why dont yo come down to Bradford and see what else is affected by ethinity, it might be an eye opener for you.

Any segregation that has happened within this once great city has been SELF segregation. With large parts of the minority population refusing to become involved with the indigenous population, with purposefully choosing to live within their own community they/ you cannot then Turn around and blame everybody else. The problem in every other racial community in Bradford has integrated, and respected the culture of the country they have chosen to become part of. Many years ago the council had a policy of integration through schools, ensuring children from all areas were taught together which had an impact On funding for other areas of education. This ended because the minority did not want it!

Very well said

[quote][p][bold]darkhorse (he's a)[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: at it again albino, can you not handle non whites voting, why does it upset you so much, are you worried that asians might finally get a voice. theres been segregagtion in bradford for decades with complete areas, housing etc etc divided amongst racial lines, not that Respect is an asain only party as clearly people from all backgrounds are voting. ive never vote din my life but for hte first time i felt compelled to vote, and yes i voted respect. why? because i want change, i dont want my children growing up in apartheid with sub standard schooling and health services, and im pretty sure many others voted for change for the same reason. As always Albion, you remain an ignorant hate mongerer. As for you Dicky, why dont yo come down to Bradford and see what else is affected by ethinity, it might be an eye opener for you.[/p][/quote]Any segregation that has happened within this once great city has been SELF segregation. With large parts of the minority population refusing to become involved with the indigenous population, with purposefully choosing to live within their own community they/ you cannot then Turn around and blame everybody else. The problem in every other racial community in Bradford has integrated, and respected the culture of the country they have chosen to become part of. Many years ago the council had a policy of integration through schools, ensuring children from all areas were taught together which had an impact On funding for other areas of education. This ended because the minority did not want it![/p][/quote]Very well saidGerman Shepherd

Yes, there are also more incidents being reported in The Guardian today.
It's surprising it gets mentioned in a national newspaper first.

[quote][p][bold]Steam Pigs[/bold] wrote:
Reports last night of the Lib Dems calling the police following an aggressive incident involving Respect and Labour and Respect voters clashing – why isn’t the T&A reporting this????[/p][/quote]Yes, there are also more incidents being reported in The Guardian today.
It's surprising it gets mentioned in a national newspaper first.angry bradfordian

I must say, the Labour party deserve this bloody nose that they are getting off the pro-Islamic party.

The Labour party thought, with their open door policy to immigration, that they would be in power forever due to immigrants traditionally ALWAYS voting Labour.

Along comes the Respect Party though and offers them everything except Shariah law, and they steal the Muslim block vote.

So now, some white people still vote Labour, which as someone pointed out, is a bit like Turkeys voting for Christmas as it was them who opened our borders in an attempt to "Get Whitey" and Gerrymander us. As Longshanks said, "If we can't get them out, we will breed them out". Their experimenthas backfired though and they will now have to do everything they can to hold onto the votes from the community they tried to destroy.

I must say, the Labour party deserve this bloody nose that they are getting off the pro-Islamic party.
The Labour party thought, with their open door policy to immigration, that they would be in power forever due to immigrants traditionally ALWAYS voting Labour.
Along comes the Respect Party though and offers them everything except Shariah law, and they steal the Muslim block vote.
So now, some white people still vote Labour, which as someone pointed out, is a bit like Turkeys voting for Christmas as it was them who opened our borders in an attempt to "Get Whitey" and Gerrymander us. As Longshanks said, "If we can't get them out, we will breed them out". Their experimenthas backfired though and they will now have to do everything they can to hold onto the votes from the community they tried to destroy.thelastmanstanding

thelastmanstanding wrote:
I must say, the Labour party deserve this bloody nose that they are getting off the pro-Islamic party.

The Labour party thought, with their open door policy to immigration, that they would be in power forever due to immigrants traditionally ALWAYS voting Labour.

Along comes the Respect Party though and offers them everything except Shariah law, and they steal the Muslim block vote.

So now, some white people still vote Labour, which as someone pointed out, is a bit like Turkeys voting for Christmas as it was them who opened our borders in an attempt to &quot;Get Whitey" and Gerrymander us. As Longshanks said, "If we can't get them out, we will breed them out". Their experimenthas backfired though and they will now have to do everything they can to hold onto the votes from the community they tried to destroy.

What "bloody nose"? They just won control of the council!

[quote][p][bold]thelastmanstanding[/bold] wrote:
I must say, the Labour party deserve this bloody nose that they are getting off the pro-Islamic party.
The Labour party thought, with their open door policy to immigration, that they would be in power forever due to immigrants traditionally ALWAYS voting Labour.
Along comes the Respect Party though and offers them everything except Shariah law, and they steal the Muslim block vote.
So now, some white people still vote Labour, which as someone pointed out, is a bit like Turkeys voting for Christmas as it was them who opened our borders in an attempt to "Get Whitey" and Gerrymander us. As Longshanks said, "If we can't get them out, we will breed them out". Their experimenthas backfired though and they will now have to do everything they can to hold onto the votes from the community they tried to destroy.[/p][/quote]What "bloody nose"? They just won control of the council!Albion.

Let’s hope George Galloway does stay in London now. The thought of having to endure his constant histrionics really is too much to bear. To my mind he's hoodwinked a lot of people in to thinking he's going to make great changes, but the only person George Galloway cares about is George Galloway! Let's just hope he puts his foot in it again soon and is forced to slink off somewhere else.

Let’s hope George Galloway does stay in London now. The thought of having to endure his constant histrionics really is too much to bear. To my mind he's hoodwinked a lot of people in to thinking he's going to make great changes, but the only person George Galloway cares about is George Galloway! Let's just hope he puts his foot in it again soon and is forced to slink off somewhere else.Pity poor Bfd!

PROMISED US HE WOULD GET THE BRADFORD COUNCIL TO GET NEIGHBOURS TO CLEAN UP THEIR RUBBISH
NOW WE GOT A BIGGER LOAD OF RUBBISH, GG
HE HAS DONE NAFF ALL, SO THATS A GOOD START IF HE CANNOT EVEN DO THAT

IS GG AN ASIAN
PROMISED US HE WOULD GET THE BRADFORD COUNCIL TO GET NEIGHBOURS TO CLEAN UP THEIR RUBBISH
NOW WE GOT A BIGGER LOAD OF RUBBISH, GG
HE HAS DONE NAFF ALL, SO THATS A GOOD START IF HE CANNOT EVEN DO THATAntiDrug

thelastmanstanding wrote:
I must say, the Labour party deserve this bloody nose that they are getting off the pro-Islamic party.

The Labour party thought, with their open door policy to immigration, that they would be in power forever due to immigrants traditionally ALWAYS voting Labour.

Along comes the Respect Party though and offers them everything except Shariah law, and they steal the Muslim block vote.

So now, some white people still vote Labour, which as someone pointed out, is a bit like Turkeys voting for Christmas as it was them who opened our borders in an attempt to &quot;Get Whitey" and Gerrymander us. As Longshanks said, "If we can't get them out, we will breed them out". Their experimenthas backfired though and they will now have to do everything they can to hold onto the votes from the community they tried to destroy.

What "bloody nose"? They just won control of the council!

Given the national picture for Labour gains, I'd hardly call Bradford a resounding success. Would you?

[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]thelastmanstanding[/bold] wrote:
I must say, the Labour party deserve this bloody nose that they are getting off the pro-Islamic party.
The Labour party thought, with their open door policy to immigration, that they would be in power forever due to immigrants traditionally ALWAYS voting Labour.
Along comes the Respect Party though and offers them everything except Shariah law, and they steal the Muslim block vote.
So now, some white people still vote Labour, which as someone pointed out, is a bit like Turkeys voting for Christmas as it was them who opened our borders in an attempt to "Get Whitey" and Gerrymander us. As Longshanks said, "If we can't get them out, we will breed them out". Their experimenthas backfired though and they will now have to do everything they can to hold onto the votes from the community they tried to destroy.[/p][/quote]What "bloody nose"? They just won control of the council![/p][/quote]Given the national picture for Labour gains, I'd hardly call Bradford a resounding success. Would you?Clowny

Bradford really is the laughing stock of the U.K.
This farce of the Asian vote Respect party getting in will just reinforce the perception of Bradord from people outside of a "Dieing city with major segregation and racial tension".
Bradford is doomed and mark my words will be the centre again of cival unrest.
BE WARNED.

Bradford really is the laughing stock of the U.K.
This farce of the Asian vote Respect party getting in will just reinforce the perception of Bradord from people outside of a "Dieing city with major segregation and racial tension".
Bradford is doomed and mark my words will be the centre again of cival unrest.
BE WARNED.BILLTILL

thelastmanstanding wrote:
I must say, the Labour party deserve this bloody nose that they are getting off the pro-Islamic party.

The Labour party thought, with their open door policy to immigration, that they would be in power forever due to immigrants traditionally ALWAYS voting Labour.

Along comes the Respect Party though and offers them everything except Shariah law, and they steal the Muslim block vote.

So now, some white people still vote Labour, which as someone pointed out, is a bit like Turkeys voting for Christmas as it was them who opened our borders in an attempt to &quot;Get Whitey" and Gerrymander us. As Longshanks said, "If we can't get them out, we will breed them out". Their experimenthas backfired though and they will now have to do everything they can to hold onto the votes from the community they tried to destroy.

What "bloody nose"? They just won control of the council!

Given the national picture for Labour gains, I'd hardly call Bradford a resounding success. Would you?

A win is a win.

[quote][p][bold]Clowny[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]thelastmanstanding[/bold] wrote:
I must say, the Labour party deserve this bloody nose that they are getting off the pro-Islamic party.
The Labour party thought, with their open door policy to immigration, that they would be in power forever due to immigrants traditionally ALWAYS voting Labour.
Along comes the Respect Party though and offers them everything except Shariah law, and they steal the Muslim block vote.
So now, some white people still vote Labour, which as someone pointed out, is a bit like Turkeys voting for Christmas as it was them who opened our borders in an attempt to "Get Whitey" and Gerrymander us. As Longshanks said, "If we can't get them out, we will breed them out". Their experimenthas backfired though and they will now have to do everything they can to hold onto the votes from the community they tried to destroy.[/p][/quote]What "bloody nose"? They just won control of the council![/p][/quote]Given the national picture for Labour gains, I'd hardly call Bradford a resounding success. Would you?[/p][/quote]A win is a win.Albion.

Bradford is not a success, we all know that. Party politics has not served us whilst the rich got richer. The Torys did nothing for us and as several have pointed out, we are taking pot shots at the elected, but what about those behind the scenes that make decisions that allow another piece of bradfords sliver to be sneaked out of the cabinet.
This isnt a race issue, lets stop having this islamophobia. We are all in this mess together,now we need to start a clear up, and can we keep party rhetoric out of the equation. We need to start from the bottom up and get rid of all those that do deals in secret. Nothing has changed, we havent won, we have all lost....Go well

Bradford is not a success, we all know that. Party politics has not served us whilst the rich got richer. The Torys did nothing for us and as several have pointed out, we are taking pot shots at the elected, but what about those behind the scenes that make decisions that allow another piece of bradfords sliver to be sneaked out of the cabinet.
This isnt a race issue, lets stop having this islamophobia. We are all in this mess together,now we need to start a clear up, and can we keep party rhetoric out of the equation. We need to start from the bottom up and get rid of all those that do deals in secret. Nothing has changed, we havent won, we have all lost....Go wellWillard

Albion. wrote:
So! Reality check, Respect predicted nine wins and got five, Respect predicted having the balance of power and failed, Respect predicted a win for an elected mayor, there was a &quot;no" vote, Respect also predicted that they would win the resulting Mayoral Election, There won't be an election. Greenwood lost his seat but his party took control of the council.
Labour got in because the Tories are making unpopular decisions at national level, the Tories got in at national level because Brown mucked up Labours chances.
And so the merry-go-round continues (with a slight intrusion from a short-term visitor).

I have never agreed more....sad init

[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote:
So! Reality check, Respect predicted nine wins and got five, Respect predicted having the balance of power and failed, Respect predicted a win for an elected mayor, there was a "no" vote, Respect also predicted that they would win the resulting Mayoral Election, There won't be an election. Greenwood lost his seat but his party took control of the council.
Labour got in because the Tories are making unpopular decisions at national level, the Tories got in at national level because Brown mucked up Labours chances.
And so the merry-go-round continues (with a slight intrusion from a short-term visitor).[/p][/quote]I have never agreed more....sad initWillard

AntiDrug wrote:
NO MATTER WHO GETS ELECTED, &quot;DO NOT FORGET"
THEY ARE ALL THE SAME
"**** TO THE tax paying people" as long as my back pockets full, THATS THEIR MOTTO, No Matter Who They Are, WE HAD NO RACISM HERE UNTIL THE "ASIANS ARRIVED"
&amp; WE "ALL" KNOW THATS THE WHOLE TRUTH &amp; NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, They Just Please Themselves What They Do, &amp; IF Anybody Says Owt, Guess What, "ITS RACISM",
The Whites Were NEVER Racist To Anybody, NEVER HEARD THE WORD, Before THE ASIANS CAME HERE, We Have Had Every Race You Can Think Of Before THE ASIANS &amp; Never Had A Problem, With Drugs Etc, &amp; Galloway ??
Strange name for an asian??
Wonder Why He Uses, "George"
George Is BRITISH, Always Was, If Your Ancestory Was BRITISH Then You Are,, If Not YOU AINT You Are A Foreigner &amp; Always Will Be, Nothing To Do With Racism
But Mark My Words ITS ONLY GOING TO GET BLACKER

In answer to your first point:- Wrong - they are NOT all the same, but individuals who are following 'company policy' whilst doing a job.

Second point (or rant);- NO RACISM HERE UNTIL THE "ASIANS ARRIVED". mmmmm! let me see! Lets talk about some research you can do.
Try reading up about Olaudah Equiano (google it), try reading up about how the Jews were 'purged', try reading about how the Irish were attacked in the 19th century. I could go on but this need a different debate.

"Your third point is interesting:-
If Your Ancestory Was BRITISH Then You Are,, If Not YOU AINT"
This ancestry of yours, is it from The Celtic tribes, the Roman Invasion, The Angles, Jutes, Saxons, Danes, Vikings, Normans, Dutch, Hannoverian, german, Gaul, French, Flemish? Please tell me.

By the way George is originally a Greek name but was made popular here by King George the first who was Hannoverian. How British is that?

And of course everyone hopes that the future is going to get 'blacker'...... Everyone loves a good tan!!!

[quote][p][bold]AntiDrug[/bold] wrote:
NO MATTER WHO GETS ELECTED, "DO NOT FORGET"
THEY ARE ALL THE SAME
"**** TO THE tax paying people" as long as my back pockets full, THATS THEIR MOTTO, No Matter Who They Are, WE HAD NO RACISM HERE UNTIL THE "ASIANS ARRIVED"
& WE "ALL" KNOW THATS THE WHOLE TRUTH & NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, They Just Please Themselves What They Do, & IF Anybody Says Owt, Guess What, "ITS RACISM",
The Whites Were NEVER Racist To Anybody, NEVER HEARD THE WORD, Before THE ASIANS CAME HERE, We Have Had Every Race You Can Think Of Before THE ASIANS & Never Had A Problem, With Drugs Etc, & Galloway ??
Strange name for an asian??
Wonder Why He Uses, "George"
George Is BRITISH, Always Was, If Your Ancestory Was BRITISH Then You Are,, If Not YOU AINT You Are A Foreigner & Always Will Be, Nothing To Do With Racism
But Mark My Words ITS ONLY GOING TO GET BLACKER[/p][/quote]In answer to your first point:- Wrong - they are NOT all the same, but individuals who are following 'company policy' whilst doing a job.
Second point (or rant);- NO RACISM HERE UNTIL THE "ASIANS ARRIVED". mmmmm! let me see! Lets talk about some research you can do.
Try reading up about Olaudah Equiano (google it), try reading up about how the Jews were 'purged', try reading about how the Irish were attacked in the 19th century. I could go on but this need a different debate.
"Your third point is interesting:-
If Your Ancestory Was BRITISH Then You Are,, If Not YOU AINT"
This ancestry of yours, is it from The Celtic tribes, the Roman Invasion, The Angles, Jutes, Saxons, Danes, Vikings, Normans, Dutch, Hannoverian, german, Gaul, French, Flemish? Please tell me.
By the way George is originally a Greek name but was made popular here by King George the first who was Hannoverian. How British is that?
And of course everyone hopes that the future is going to get 'blacker'...... Everyone loves a good tan!!!c-sense

Patrick Bateman wrote:
Just out of interest what was Greenwood's 'day job' before he became a councillor/Labour leader? Is it 'back to work' for him come Monday (or whenever the investiture of the new councillors occurs)?

Delighted to see that even with a backside size of Greenwood's it could not keep him in his seat. On the question of jobs I think back in the mid 70's he was on the bins round our way -but there not recruiting are they ?

[quote][p][bold]Patrick Bateman[/bold] wrote:
Just out of interest what was Greenwood's 'day job' before he became a councillor/Labour leader? Is it 'back to work' for him come Monday (or whenever the investiture of the new councillors occurs)?[/p][/quote]Delighted to see that even with a backside size of Greenwood's it could not keep him in his seat. On the question of jobs I think back in the mid 70's he was on the bins round our way -but there not recruiting are they ?theoutsider

Well Said BILLTILL, I Agree Entirely Non So Blind As Those Who Will Not See Bradford really is the laughing stock of the U.K.
This farce of the Asian vote Respect party getting in will just reinforce the perception of Bradord from people outside of a "Dieing city with major segregation and racial tension".
Bradford is doomed and mark my words will be the centre again of cival unrest.
BE WARNED. It Just A Matter Of Time NOT IF
And As Far As C_SENSE, You Have A Problem Seeing The Notes, Try Specsavers,
RACISM, Never Had This Word USED AS AN EXCUSE, Be It Jews Irish Or Otherwise
& Ask Yourself Where Is The CENTRE Of Terrorism & Unrest
Eastern Block ??? War & Unrest & The Worlds Trouble IS ALL THERE, But Would YOU Be Allowed To DO JUST As You Please If You Went There ???
No Chance, You Would Be Flogged Or Even Worse, ARE YOU GENUINE BRITISH & Not The Darker Tan
AntiAnti, WHO Discovered England ???, Then There Is Your Answer, It Was NOT An Asian

Well Said BILLTILL, I Agree Entirely Non So Blind As Those Who Will Not See Bradford really is the laughing stock of the U.K.
This farce of the Asian vote Respect party getting in will just reinforce the perception of Bradord from people outside of a "Dieing city with major segregation and racial tension".
Bradford is doomed and mark my words will be the centre again of cival unrest.
BE WARNED. It Just A Matter Of Time NOT IF
And As Far As C_SENSE, You Have A Problem Seeing The Notes, Try Specsavers,
RACISM, Never Had This Word USED AS AN EXCUSE, Be It Jews Irish Or Otherwise
& Ask Yourself Where Is The CENTRE Of Terrorism & Unrest
Eastern Block ??? War & Unrest & The Worlds Trouble IS ALL THERE, But Would YOU Be Allowed To DO JUST As You Please If You Went There ???
No Chance, You Would Be Flogged Or Even Worse, ARE YOU GENUINE BRITISH & Not The Darker Tan
AntiAnti, WHO Discovered England ???, Then There Is Your Answer, It Was NOT An AsianAntiDrug

How many postal votes were registered in the Respect areas ?
How much of the intimidation at voting sites were respect areas ?
These questions may not have been asked yet but I am sure they will be.

How many postal votes were registered in the Respect areas ?
How much of the intimidation at voting sites were respect areas ?
These questions may not have been asked yet but I am sure they will be.BILLTILL

I just am not going to allow myself to become embroiled in the slanging match which is in full force due to a fly-by-night, self-serving, egotistical cat dropping in on us, flaring already tension filled areas, only for him to love it all and lap it up before padding away, licking his paws and slanting his eyes towards his next target.

It is like covert, internal espionage the way GG, picks his furry backside up and plonks it down elsewhere dropping, fur and fleas. Respect will never become a mainstream party and pretty soon the candidates will be exposed by the main parties for exactly what they are. I don't need to add to this to say what they are as they tried their hardest over the last week to prove it themselves and prove it they did. Intimidation and aggression are third world tactics in the lead up to elections. Well done for dragging our system back 200 years.

I just am not going to allow myself to become embroiled in the slanging match which is in full force due to a fly-by-night, self-serving, egotistical cat dropping in on us, flaring already tension filled areas, only for him to love it all and lap it up before padding away, licking his paws and slanting his eyes towards his next target.
It is like covert, internal espionage the way GG, picks his furry backside up and plonks it down elsewhere dropping, fur and fleas. Respect will never become a mainstream party and pretty soon the candidates will be exposed by the main parties for exactly what they are. I don't need to add to this to say what they are as they tried their hardest over the last week to prove it themselves and prove it they did. Intimidation and aggression are third world tactics in the lead up to elections. Well done for dragging our system back 200 years.Prisoner Cell Block A

[quote][p][bold]Saltaire Bantam[/bold] wrote:
Bye bye comrade Greenwood. Thanks for ruining the city for the last 17 years. It was in a much better state before you arrived.[/p][/quote]Hello. Hello.
Earth calling resident of planet Zogg.
Please resume your daily ingestion of reality - you are showing signs of memory disturbance. When you said Mr Greenwood, perhaps you meant Mr Pickles ?
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Hello. ......AAA.Happy.Man

Like BILTILL, I would like to know what percentage of the vote was postal in areas where there was a respect candidate compare to other areas. People in many areas are currently dis-satisfied and are making protest votes but anyone who thinks this wasn't an Asian vote should look again at the respect supporters chanting and thumping in the air. Bradford will never have integration if the likes of George Galloway have their way. I would suggest 'divide and rule' is his motive

Like BILTILL, I would like to know what percentage of the vote was postal in areas where there was a respect candidate compare to other areas. People in many areas are currently dis-satisfied and are making protest votes but anyone who thinks this wasn't an Asian vote should look again at the respect supporters chanting and thumping in the air. Bradford will never have integration if the likes of George Galloway have their way. I would suggest 'divide and rule' is his motivejeeperscreepers

Goodbye Ig,youve got to laugh.
The headline reads ...'Council leaderless'.....it has been for years.Greenwoods political career should be buried in the sight dedicated to Westfield.He talks about GG having to deliver on his promises,well you set the bar so low it wouldnt matter if GG delivers nothing he will stilll have delivered more than Greenwood.Last i heard Greenwood was blaming the EDL for his defeat along with global warming and the hole in the ground.pmsl

HAHAHAHA!!
Goodbye Ig,youve got to laugh.
The headline reads ...'Council leaderless'.....it has been for years.Greenwoods political career should be buried in the sight dedicated to Westfield.He talks about GG having to deliver on his promises,well you set the bar so low it wouldnt matter if GG delivers nothing he will stilll have delivered more than Greenwood.Last i heard Greenwood was blaming the EDL for his defeat along with global warming and the hole in the ground.pmsljim75

Patrick Bateman wrote:
Just out of interest what was Greenwood's 'day job' before he became a councillor/Labour leader? Is it 'back to work' for him come Monday (or whenever the investiture of the new councillors occurs)?

[quote][p][bold]Patrick Bateman[/bold] wrote:
Just out of interest what was Greenwood's 'day job' before he became a councillor/Labour leader? Is it 'back to work' for him come Monday (or whenever the investiture of the new councillors occurs)?[/p][/quote]Hello. Hello.
Earth calling resident of planet Zogg.
Please resume your daily ingestion of reality - you are showing signs of memory disturbance. When you said Mr Greenwood, perhaps you meant Mr Pickles ?
Message repeats:
Hello. ......AAA.Happy.Man

AntiDrug... I agree with your point that sometimes people use 'racism' as an excuse; just as some criminals use 'human rights laws' for their benefit; just as some people all over the country use do fraudulent insurance claims; just as some people on jobseeker benefits don't actually seek work etc. but that does not mean that all are the same.
As for the word 'racism', just because it was not used does NOT mean that racism did not exist!?!
If you put on those beloved spectacles of yours from Specsavers you will see that you also wrote "The Whites Were NEVER Racist To Anybody" That is what I was referring to.

By the ambiguous nature of the word Terrorism I would say to you that what we see as terrorists someone else sees as freedom fighters. Remember that Saddam and Bin Laden were 'friends of the West' until we had no need for them.
By the way I think you mean Middle East NOT Eastern Block. The unrest may well be there but there are different causes and reasons for that, you can't tar them all as the same.
As for going there, well I have been to a couple of the middle eastern countries and had no problems (just be aware of the laws of the land) and obviously there are some I would not even dream of going to.
I'm British in legal terms (passport) but in my heart I am English, but you can see me as any identity as you wish.
It may not have been an asian who 'discovered' England but it was less likely to have been an Englisman!!!

AntiDrug... I agree with your point that sometimes people use 'racism' as an excuse; just as some criminals use 'human rights laws' for their benefit; just as some people all over the country use do fraudulent insurance claims; just as some people on jobseeker benefits don't actually seek work etc. but that does not mean that all are the same.
As for the word 'racism', just because it was not used does NOT mean that racism did not exist!?!
If you put on those beloved spectacles of yours from Specsavers you will see that you also wrote "The Whites Were NEVER Racist To Anybody" That is what I was referring to.
By the ambiguous nature of the word Terrorism I would say to you that what we see as terrorists someone else sees as freedom fighters. Remember that Saddam and Bin Laden were 'friends of the West' until we had no need for them.
By the way I think you mean Middle East NOT Eastern Block. The unrest may well be there but there are different causes and reasons for that, you can't tar them all as the same.
As for going there, well I have been to a couple of the middle eastern countries and had no problems (just be aware of the laws of the land) and obviously there are some I would not even dream of going to.
I'm British in legal terms (passport) but in my heart I am English, but you can see me as any identity as you wish.
It may not have been an asian who 'discovered' England but it was less likely to have been an Englisman!!!c-sense

Goodbye Ig,youve got to laugh.
The headline reads ...'Council leaderless'.....it has been for years.Greenwoods political career should be buried in the sight dedicated to Westfield.He talks about GG having to deliver on his promises,well you set the bar so low it wouldnt matter if GG delivers nothing he will stilll have delivered more than Greenwood.Last i heard Greenwood was blaming the EDL for his defeat along with global warming and the hole in the ground.pmsl

As funny as the Conservatives claiming it was their stance on gay marriage which cost them seats, not just votes.

[quote][p][bold]jim75[/bold] wrote:
HAHAHAHA!!
Goodbye Ig,youve got to laugh.
The headline reads ...'Council leaderless'.....it has been for years.Greenwoods political career should be buried in the sight dedicated to Westfield.He talks about GG having to deliver on his promises,well you set the bar so low it wouldnt matter if GG delivers nothing he will stilll have delivered more than Greenwood.Last i heard Greenwood was blaming the EDL for his defeat along with global warming and the hole in the ground.pmsl[/p][/quote]As funny as the Conservatives claiming it was their stance on gay marriage which cost them seats, not just votes.Prisoner Cell Block A

tyker2 wrote:
Forget ethnicity! Time for change. Bring it on.get westfield to the table now, start creating Hobson and get the city working again by creating wealth and inner well being by creation of jobs. City Hall sits at the centre of a rotting city and those within for the last 20years or so have to take a long peaceful look at what they have done to this great city. Long may they look on. Westfield,as a start, has to start building now and,if they cannot commit to so build within six months, they should be thrown out.time for positivity in this city to dismember the negativity which has been allowed to pervade this city for so many years.

Hallelujah, Brothers & Sisters!
All good things come from the gods, all bad things from humankind.
All good things come from Capitalism, all bad things from liberals, leftists, reformers and other crypto commies.
Come off it, Tyker #2

[quote][p][bold]tyker2[/bold] wrote:
Forget ethnicity! Time for change. Bring it on.get westfield to the table now, start creating Hobson and get the city working again by creating wealth and inner well being by creation of jobs. City Hall sits at the centre of a rotting city and those within for the last 20years or so have to take a long peaceful look at what they have done to this great city. Long may they look on. Westfield,as a start, has to start building now and,if they cannot commit to so build within six months, they should be thrown out.time for positivity in this city to dismember the negativity which has been allowed to pervade this city for so many years.[/p][/quote]Hallelujah, Brothers & Sisters!
All good things come from the gods, all bad things from humankind.
All good things come from Capitalism, all bad things from liberals, leftists, reformers and other crypto commies.
Come off it, Tyker #2AAA.Happy.Man

Patrick Bateman wrote:
Just out of interest what was Greenwood's 'day job' before he became a councillor/Labour leader? Is it 'back to work' for him come Monday (or whenever the investiture of the new councillors occurs)?

[quote][p][bold]AAA.Happy.Man[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Patrick Bateman[/bold] wrote:
Just out of interest what was Greenwood's 'day job' before he became a councillor/Labour leader? Is it 'back to work' for him come Monday (or whenever the investiture of the new councillors occurs)?[/p][/quote]Hello. Hello.
Earth calling resident of planet Zogg.
Please resume your daily ingestion of reality - you are showing signs of memory disturbance. When you said Mr Greenwood, perhaps you meant Mr Pickles ?
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Hello. ......[/p][/quote]What on Earth are you on about??Patrick Bateman

You Can Tar Them ALL, Its Greed,, There ALL The same, I Want What You Got, Or I Will Steal It, By Fair Means Or BAD, Mostly "BAD"
The unrest may well be there but there are different causes and reasons for that, you can't tar them all as the same. Yes You Can, Its GREED
As for going there, well I have been to a couple of the middle eastern countries and had no problems (just be aware of the laws of the land) Why Did You Come Back Here Then?? As Most Say Or Use The Excuse, OUR Lives Are In Danger ?? and obviously there are some I would not even dream of going to.
I'm British in legal terms (passport) but in my heart I am English, but you can see me as any identity as you wish. ???? Think We All Know Now,
It may not have been an asian who 'discovered' England but it was less likely to have been an Englisman!!!
I'm British in legal terms (passport) but in my heart I am English, but you can see me as any identity as you wish.
(just be aware of the laws of the land) Exactly My Point, You Would Have To Live Under Their Rules Or Else, BUT "They Dont" They Just Do As They Like Here, THATS WHY THEY COME HERE
Why dont they go to japan, China , Russia, Etc, & Try It On There, Then they would know which side the bread is buttered, Like Australia, Yes you can come here BUT You live under OUR Rules, Or GET OUT, You Seem To Know About Some Things, Even Though There Are Misspells, So WHO Discovered England

You Can Tar Them ALL, Its Greed,, There ALL The same, I Want What You Got, Or I Will Steal It, By Fair Means Or BAD, Mostly "BAD"
The unrest may well be there but there are different causes and reasons for that, you can't tar them all as the same. Yes You Can, Its GREED
As for going there, well I have been to a couple of the middle eastern countries and had no problems (just be aware of the laws of the land) Why Did You Come Back Here Then?? As Most Say Or Use The Excuse, OUR Lives Are In Danger ?? and obviously there are some I would not even dream of going to.
I'm British in legal terms (passport) but in my heart I am English, but you can see me as any identity as you wish. ???? Think We All Know Now,
It may not have been an asian who 'discovered' England but it was less likely to have been an Englisman!!!
I'm British in legal terms (passport) but in my heart I am English, but you can see me as any identity as you wish.
(just be aware of the laws of the land) Exactly My Point, You Would Have To Live Under Their Rules Or Else, BUT "They Dont" They Just Do As They Like Here, THATS WHY THEY COME HERE
Why dont they go to japan, China , Russia, Etc, & Try It On There, Then they would know which side the bread is buttered, Like Australia, Yes you can come here BUT You live under OUR Rules, Or GET OUT, You Seem To Know About Some Things, Even Though There Are Misspells, So WHO Discovered EnglandAntiDrug

parader no1 wrote:
During the whole election campaign no one from ANY party has canvassed my street, nor have I seen any canvassers in the area, Maybe we are taken for granted being a &quot; white area"

You Mean Taken For A Ride , By The SO Called RESPECT Party, Who Voted For You Maybe ??

[quote][p][bold]parader no1[/bold] wrote:
During the whole election campaign no one from ANY party has canvassed my street, nor have I seen any canvassers in the area, Maybe we are taken for granted being a " white area"[/p][/quote]You Mean Taken For A Ride , By The SO Called RESPECT Party, Who Voted For You Maybe ??AntiDrug

parader no1 wrote:
During the whole election campaign no one from ANY party has canvassed my street, nor have I seen any canvassers in the area, Maybe we are taken for granted being a &quot; white area"

You Mean Taken For A Ride , By The SO Called RESPECT Party, Who Voted For You Maybe ??

You Have Me Very Puzzeled, Where Is The WHITE Area In BRADFORD, Is That The Ice Rink??

[quote][p][bold]AntiDrug[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]parader no1[/bold] wrote:
During the whole election campaign no one from ANY party has canvassed my street, nor have I seen any canvassers in the area, Maybe we are taken for granted being a " white area"[/p][/quote]You Mean Taken For A Ride , By The SO Called RESPECT Party, Who Voted For You Maybe ??[/p][/quote]You Have Me Very Puzzeled, Where Is The WHITE Area In BRADFORD, Is That The Ice Rink??AntiDrug

why dont all the anti respect commenters on here just give it 6 months and see what GG can do. Then you can judge them on what they have or havent done, not what you all think will happen? GG is the democratically elected mp for bradford, if you dont like next time you can canvass for the lib/con/lab/bnp or the monster raving loony party for all i care.
GG is anti war and anti cuts , im assuming his opponents are pro both the above.

why dont all the anti respect commenters on here just give it 6 months and see what GG can do. Then you can judge them on what they have or havent done, not what you all think will happen? GG is the democratically elected mp for bradford, if you dont like next time you can canvass for the lib/con/lab/bnp or the monster raving loony party for all i care.
GG is anti war and anti cuts , im assuming his opponents are pro both the above.antianti

Saltaire Bantam wrote:
Amir Hussain, the Labour councillor for Toller, who was caught holding a grenade launcher easily kept his seat. The voters were impressed with his direct approach and honesty.
Mohammed Khan, the Respect candidate pictured with a gun on the Pakistan/Afgan border just afer September 11th, was beaten to second in Barkerend by his brother.

a picture of a man with a big smile on his face while holding a grenade launcher retains his seat on the council,this wouldnt happen anywhere else other than bradford,is it just an ordinary holiday snap for the toller electorate,amazing

[quote][p][bold]Saltaire Bantam[/bold] wrote:
Amir Hussain, the Labour councillor for Toller, who was caught holding a grenade launcher easily kept his seat. The voters were impressed with his direct approach and honesty.
Mohammed Khan, the Respect candidate pictured with a gun on the Pakistan/Afgan border just afer September 11th, was beaten to second in Barkerend by his brother.[/p][/quote]a picture of a man with a big smile on his face while holding a grenade launcher retains his seat on the council,this wouldnt happen anywhere else other than bradford,is it just an ordinary holiday snap for the toller electorate,amazingravacity

I thought people were not happy with the Labour councillors who have ran the council for so long but have absolutely failed to do anything worthwhile.

Galloway is hated by people here because the asians are backing him. I'm guessing if he was disliked by asians then the white folk would greet him with open arms.

Why don't we all give him a chance rather than get heated up about it. He can't be much worse than the corrupt councillors some appear to love.

I thought people were not happy with the Labour councillors who have ran the council for so long but have absolutely failed to do anything worthwhile.
Galloway is hated by people here because the asians are backing him. I'm guessing if he was disliked by asians then the white folk would greet him with open arms.
Why don't we all give him a chance rather than get heated up about it. He can't be much worse than the corrupt councillors some appear to love.Green38

A friend of mine works at one of the schools in Bradford used as a polling station. He told me that the 'Respect' candidates and their acolytes behaved deplorably on Thursday. When they were not arguing with anyone who appeared to be averse to them, they were seen to activley try and strong arm passers-by into coming in to vote for them. I think these people need to look in an English dictionary, at the meaning of the word RESPECT. Then go and change the name of their disgusting party.

A friend of mine works at one of the schools in Bradford used as a polling station. He told me that the 'Respect' candidates and their acolytes behaved deplorably on Thursday. When they were not arguing with anyone who appeared to be averse to them, they were seen to activley try and strong arm passers-by into coming in to vote for them. I think these people need to look in an English dictionary, at the meaning of the word RESPECT. Then go and change the name of their disgusting party.eccythump

Tyker2
You make a good point mate. The problem is that too many bradfordians always have a glass half empty so they want to break it.
The lake is done so let us move on. If Westfield won't start building then make them turn more of the site into a family orientated leisure area, by that I mean as a park with play areas not gambling etc.
Respect councillors are in now, so let's see what they do to benefit their wards before we condemn them. Can they really be that much worse than their predecessors? Time will tell.....

Tyker2
You make a good point mate. The problem is that too many bradfordians always have a glass half empty so they want to break it.
The lake is done so let us move on. If Westfield won't start building then make them turn more of the site into a family orientated leisure area, by that I mean as a park with play areas not gambling etc.
Respect councillors are in now, so let's see what they do to benefit their wards before we condemn them. Can they really be that much worse than their predecessors? Time will tell.....c-sense

Idontunderstand wrote:
So Mr Greenwood, no Councillor wage or expenses to live on now. You just might find out what living on JSA is like, although I suspect you have become intentially jobless as you voluntarily put yourself up for election, therefore you should be exempt for 26 weeks. probably get HB though....

http://company-direc
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Not quite! even if none of these want him any more he will have made himself a handy nest egg I should imagine.

[quote][p][bold]Idontunderstand[/bold] wrote:
So Mr Greenwood, no Councillor wage or expenses to live on now. You just might find out what living on JSA is like, although I suspect you have become intentially jobless as you voluntarily put yourself up for election, therefore you should be exempt for 26 weeks. probably get HB though....[/p][/quote]http://company-direc
tor-check.co.uk/dire
ctor/904229348
Not quite! even if none of these want him any more he will have made himself a handy nest egg I should imagine.Albion.

[quote][p][bold]Blotto[/bold] wrote:
Its like watching Turkeys vote for Christmas![/p][/quote]Could not put it better myself Blotto.
The only thing on Georges agenda is whats in it for him !!
Pick a Town with problems pull pin and run.10steve

tyker2 wrote:
Forget ethnicity! Time for change. Bring it on.get westfield to the table now, start creating Hobson and get the city working again by creating wealth and inner well being by creation of jobs. City Hall sits at the centre of a rotting city and those within for the last 20years or so have to take a long peaceful look at what they have done to this great city. Long may they look on. Westfield,as a start, has to start building now and,if they cannot commit to so build within six months, they should be thrown out.time for positivity in this city to dismember the negativity which has been allowed to pervade this city for so many years.

Hallelujah, Brothers &amp; Sisters!
All good things come from the gods, all bad things from humankind.
All good things come from Capitalism, all bad things from liberals, leftists, reformers and other crypto commies.
Come off it, Tyker #2

And just what do you suggest for improving the city or do you want it to rot further. Please enlighten me as to your proposals to improve the city and how that is to be for and by whom. Or, am I right to assume,that improvements will come automatically? Do you have better proposals and,let's be negative for the rest our lives NOT,

[quote][p][bold]AAA.Happy.Man[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]tyker2[/bold] wrote:
Forget ethnicity! Time for change. Bring it on.get westfield to the table now, start creating Hobson and get the city working again by creating wealth and inner well being by creation of jobs. City Hall sits at the centre of a rotting city and those within for the last 20years or so have to take a long peaceful look at what they have done to this great city. Long may they look on. Westfield,as a start, has to start building now and,if they cannot commit to so build within six months, they should be thrown out.time for positivity in this city to dismember the negativity which has been allowed to pervade this city for so many years.[/p][/quote]Hallelujah, Brothers & Sisters!
All good things come from the gods, all bad things from humankind.
All good things come from Capitalism, all bad things from liberals, leftists, reformers and other crypto commies.
Come off it, Tyker #2[/p][/quote]And just what do you suggest for improving the city or do you want it to rot further. Please enlighten me as to your proposals to improve the city and how that is to be for and by whom. Or, am I right to assume,that improvements will come automatically? Do you have better proposals and,let's be negative for the rest our lives NOT,tyker2

Ha Ha Ha! AntiDrug you are sheer class pal. Sheer class!
I've no idea what half of your last reply was but that's cool 'cos we live in a democracy and all have a right to an opinion. I respect that our opinions differ.
Sorry about the mis-spells mate.

I think you will find that there many more of them in China and Russia than in England. As for Australia... well you will find that there are about a fifth of the population NOT born in Australia.
Just don't believe everything you read in the tabloids mate. I've met some fantastic asians and some horrible ones. I have also met some fantastic English people and some that make me ashamed to be English.

As for who 'discovered' England. You tell me and i'll prove to you if you are right or wrong.

Ha Ha Ha! AntiDrug you are sheer class pal. Sheer class!
I've no idea what half of your last reply was but that's cool 'cos we live in a democracy and all have a right to an opinion. I respect that our opinions differ.
Sorry about the mis-spells mate.
I think you will find that there many more of them in China and Russia than in England. As for Australia... well you will find that there are about a fifth of the population NOT born in Australia.
Just don't believe everything you read in the tabloids mate. I've met some fantastic asians and some horrible ones. I have also met some fantastic English people and some that make me ashamed to be English.
As for who 'discovered' England. You tell me and i'll prove to you if you are right or wrong.c-sense

there are too many comments to sift through, however ive just read a respect flyer which blames the council for not taking action against car insurers who discriminate on bradford certain bradford postcodes and charge much larger premiums as a result. Would these be the same postcodes where most of the dregs of society choose not to pay the insurance in the first place. Perhaps respect ought to be fousing on the that first. Ah but that would mean dong the right thing and abiding by the law, I said ABIDING BY THE LAW! thought id just spell it for you.

there are too many comments to sift through, however ive just read a respect flyer which blames the council for not taking action against car insurers who discriminate on bradford certain bradford postcodes and charge much larger premiums as a result. Would these be the same postcodes where most of the dregs of society choose not to pay the insurance in the first place. Perhaps respect ought to be fousing on the that first. Ah but that would mean dong the right thing and abiding by the law, I said ABIDING BY THE LAW! thought id just spell it for you.lanzaman

I read all the comments on here, agreeing strongly with some, and totally disagreeing with others (there are a couple I didn't understand!). It appears there has been some "debatable" canvassing and rumors of vote rigging abound, but it seems we now have to sit back and wait for the nirvana promised by Mr Galloway (pbuh) and vote accordingly next time round.

I read all the comments on here, agreeing strongly with some, and totally disagreeing with others (there are a couple I didn't understand!). It appears there has been some "debatable" canvassing and rumors of vote rigging abound, but it seems we now have to sit back and wait for the nirvana promised by Mr Galloway (pbuh) and vote accordingly next time round.Mummys little Sunbeam

I read all the comments on here, agreeing strongly with some, and totally disagreeing with others (there are a couple I didn't understand!). It appears there has been some "debatable" canvassing and rumors of vote rigging abound, but it seems we now have to sit back and wait for the nirvana promised by Mr Galloway (pbuh) and vote accordingly next time round.

I read all the comments on here, agreeing strongly with some, and totally disagreeing with others (there are a couple I didn't understand!). It appears there has been some "debatable" canvassing and rumors of vote rigging abound, but it seems we now have to sit back and wait for the nirvana promised by Mr Galloway (pbuh) and vote accordingly next time round.Mummys little Sunbeam

eccythump wrote:
A friend of mine works at one of the schools in Bradford used as a polling station. He told me that the 'Respect' candidates and their acolytes behaved deplorably on Thursday. When they were not arguing with anyone who appeared to be averse to them, they were seen to activley try and strong arm passers-by into coming in to vote for them. I think these people need to look in an English dictionary, at the meaning of the word RESPECT. Then go and change the name of their disgusting party.

Eccythump........I had some personal experience of this, when I drove a friend down to his polling station to register his vote. He was harangued all the way into the station. Two of the Respect acolytes came over to my car and asked why I was not voting. When I told them I already had, they asked me who I had voted for. I told them that it was none of their business and to go away. When my friend left the station he got the same question asked of him and he also refused to answer. They were very menacing indeed, and i was glad to drive away from the area. What happened to the time when a policeman was always present outside polling stations? We could have done with him there. I suppose that we have to expect that sort of harrassment nowadays, as it seems to be a feature of elections in Pakistan....win votes by fair means or foul.

[quote][p][bold]eccythump[/bold] wrote:
A friend of mine works at one of the schools in Bradford used as a polling station. He told me that the 'Respect' candidates and their acolytes behaved deplorably on Thursday. When they were not arguing with anyone who appeared to be averse to them, they were seen to activley try and strong arm passers-by into coming in to vote for them. I think these people need to look in an English dictionary, at the meaning of the word RESPECT. Then go and change the name of their disgusting party.[/p][/quote]Eccythump........I had some personal experience of this, when I drove a friend down to his polling station to register his vote. He was harangued all the way into the station. Two of the Respect acolytes came over to my car and asked why I was not voting. When I told them I already had, they asked me who I had voted for. I told them that it was none of their business and to go away. When my friend left the station he got the same question asked of him and he also refused to answer. They were very menacing indeed, and i was glad to drive away from the area. What happened to the time when a policeman was always present outside polling stations? We could have done with him there. I suppose that we have to expect that sort of harrassment nowadays, as it seems to be a feature of elections in Pakistan....win votes by fair means or foul.Tinybantam

AAA.Happy.Man wrote:
Patrick Bateman wrote:
Just out of interest what was Greenwood's 'day
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What on Earth are you on about??
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Hello PB
This came as a surprise to me too. I got a message from the Bournemouth Times telling me that this had been published in that paper as well !
I blame it on Galloway, Greenwood, Wellington, and T Dan Smith !

Patrick Bateman says...
4:06pm Fri 4 May 12
AAA.Happy.Man wrote:
Patrick Bateman wrote:
Just out of interest what was Greenwood's 'day
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What on Earth are you on about??
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Hello PB
This came as a surprise to me too. I got a message from the Bournemouth Times telling me that this had been published in that paper as well !
I blame it on Galloway, Greenwood, Wellington, and T Dan Smith !AAA.Happy.Man

Mummys little Sunbeam wrote:
I read all the comments on here, agreeing strongly with some, and totally disagreeing with others (there are a couple I didn't understand!). It appears there has been some &quot;debatable" canvassing and rumors of vote rigging abound, but it seems we now have to sit back and wait for the nirvana promised by Mr Galloway (pbuh) and vote accordingly next time round.

"Mr Galloway (pbuh) "
Hahaha! Love it! I'll borrow that :-)

[quote][p][bold]Mummys little Sunbeam[/bold] wrote:
I read all the comments on here, agreeing strongly with some, and totally disagreeing with others (there are a couple I didn't understand!). It appears there has been some "debatable" canvassing and rumors of vote rigging abound, but it seems we now have to sit back and wait for the nirvana promised by Mr Galloway (pbuh) and vote accordingly next time round.[/p][/quote]"Mr Galloway (pbuh) "
Hahaha! Love it! I'll borrow that :-)Albion.

Ian Greenwood has not been responsible for Bradford for 17 years. The issues of the Odeon, Westfield etc should be shared by all of who have served on Council for many years. Short memories indeed.

Remember the likes of Pickles, Eaton, Hopkins. Look where they are now and look at what goes into their bank accounts. Who pays for that.

Several contributors have commented on isolationism. We are definitely a divided city. My wife and I speak after spending well over 30 years teaching Inner City children, who are now being let down and ignored by their own.

Those of us who have been involved in Bradford politics for decades have seen it all before - someday comeday. We shall still be here when Galloway gets back on his bus and drives into the sunset. I hope he will show respect for ALL Bradford residents.

A very simple comment.
Ian Greenwood has not been responsible for Bradford for 17 years. The issues of the Odeon, Westfield etc should be shared by all of who have served on Council for many years. Short memories indeed.
Remember the likes of Pickles, Eaton, Hopkins. Look where they are now and look at what goes into their bank accounts. Who pays for that.
Several contributors have commented on isolationism. We are definitely a divided city. My wife and I speak after spending well over 30 years teaching Inner City children, who are now being let down and ignored by their own.
Those of us who have been involved in Bradford politics for decades have seen it all before - someday comeday. We shall still be here when Galloway gets back on his bus and drives into the sunset. I hope he will show respect for ALL Bradford residents.Mr Chairman

Some people are claiming that the results in these Bradford elections are indicating a shift away from class to one of ethnicity in the decision about which party and candidate to support.

I see that analysis as a gross over-simplification. The vote, particularly against Council Leader Ian Greenwood, despite his 17 years service, is one of rejection of an administration with an appalling record of poor decision making and spending. The City is now far worse both in terms of the social conditions of the populous and in the poor facilities on offer compared with 30-40 years ago.

Also consider that two MP, Kris Hopkins, Keighley & Ilkley and Phil Davies, Shipley, wish to take their districts out of the Bradford Council control to form a new district council totally separate from the city, with its own elected councillors.

Some people are claiming that the results in these Bradford elections are indicating a shift away from class to one of ethnicity in the decision about which party and candidate to support.
I see that analysis as a gross over-simplification. The vote, particularly against Council Leader Ian Greenwood, despite his 17 years service, is one of rejection of an administration with an appalling record of poor decision making and spending. The City is now far worse both in terms of the social conditions of the populous and in the poor facilities on offer compared with 30-40 years ago.
Also consider that two MP, Kris Hopkins, Keighley & Ilkley and Phil Davies, Shipley, wish to take their districts out of the Bradford Council control to form a new district council totally separate from the city, with its own elected councillors.pjl20

pjl20 wrote:
Some people are claiming that the results in these Bradford elections are indicating a shift away from class to one of ethnicity in the decision about which party and candidate to support.

I see that analysis as a gross over-simplification. The vote, particularly against Council Leader Ian Greenwood, despite his 17 years service, is one of rejection of an administration with an appalling record of poor decision making and spending. The City is now far worse both in terms of the social conditions of the populous and in the poor facilities on offer compared with 30-40 years ago.

Also consider that two MP, Kris Hopkins, Keighley &amp; Ilkley and Phil Davies, Shipley, wish to take their districts out of the Bradford Council control to form a new district council totally separate from the city, with its own elected councillors.

That would basically be going back to how things used to be and how many of us at the time wished it to stay.
Greenwood has indeed paid the price, but Labour will be quite pleased even here, I see the other (intrusive voting) as temporary and just an indication of opportunism when things are at a low ebb.

[quote][p][bold]pjl20[/bold] wrote:
Some people are claiming that the results in these Bradford elections are indicating a shift away from class to one of ethnicity in the decision about which party and candidate to support.
I see that analysis as a gross over-simplification. The vote, particularly against Council Leader Ian Greenwood, despite his 17 years service, is one of rejection of an administration with an appalling record of poor decision making and spending. The City is now far worse both in terms of the social conditions of the populous and in the poor facilities on offer compared with 30-40 years ago.
Also consider that two MP, Kris Hopkins, Keighley & Ilkley and Phil Davies, Shipley, wish to take their districts out of the Bradford Council control to form a new district council totally separate from the city, with its own elected councillors.[/p][/quote]That would basically be going back to how things used to be and how many of us at the time wished it to stay.
Greenwood has indeed paid the price, but Labour will be quite pleased even here, I see the other (intrusive voting) as temporary and just an indication of opportunism when things are at a low ebb.Albion.

antianti wrote:
why dont all the anti respect commenters on here just give it 6 months and see what GG can do. Then you can judge them on what they have or havent done, not what you all think will happen? GG is the democratically elected mp for bradford, if you dont like next time you can canvass for the lib/con/lab/bnp or the monster raving loony party for all i care.
GG is anti war and anti cuts , im assuming his opponents are pro both the above.

GG does have a track record. A track record of failure, this is his fourth attempt now to be an MP.

Ever wonder why he never lasts more than one term and lost twice in his native Scotland?

[quote][p][bold]antianti[/bold] wrote:
why dont all the anti respect commenters on here just give it 6 months and see what GG can do. Then you can judge them on what they have or havent done, not what you all think will happen? GG is the democratically elected mp for bradford, if you dont like next time you can canvass for the lib/con/lab/bnp or the monster raving loony party for all i care.
GG is anti war and anti cuts , im assuming his opponents are pro both the above.[/p][/quote]GG does have a track record. A track record of failure, this is his fourth attempt now to be an MP.
Ever wonder why he never lasts more than one term and lost twice in his native Scotland?webess

thingybob68 wrote:
at it again albino, can you not handle non whites voting, why does it upset you so much, are you worried that asians might finally get a voice.

theres been segregagtion in bradford for decades with complete areas, housing etc etc divided amongst racial lines, not that Respect is an asain only party as clearly people from all backgrounds are voting. ive never vote din my life but for hte first time i felt compelled to vote, and yes i voted respect. why? because i want change, i dont want my children growing up in apartheid with sub standard schooling and health services, and im pretty sure many others voted for change for the same reason. As always Albion, you remain an ignorant hate mongerer.

As for you Dicky, why dont yo come down to Bradford and see what else is affected by ethinity, it might be an eye opener for you.

well said this town wants to see change and this is a first in its steps. let hope something positive will come from this. before all the hate mongers start criticising, thinking it was down to asian votes for respect, overall they voted a blue eyed white guy. Good luck respect party.

[quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote:
at it again albino, can you not handle non whites voting, why does it upset you so much, are you worried that asians might finally get a voice.
theres been segregagtion in bradford for decades with complete areas, housing etc etc divided amongst racial lines, not that Respect is an asain only party as clearly people from all backgrounds are voting. ive never vote din my life but for hte first time i felt compelled to vote, and yes i voted respect. why? because i want change, i dont want my children growing up in apartheid with sub standard schooling and health services, and im pretty sure many others voted for change for the same reason. As always Albion, you remain an ignorant hate mongerer.
As for you Dicky, why dont yo come down to Bradford and see what else is affected by ethinity, it might be an eye opener for you.[/p][/quote]well said this town wants to see change and this is a first in its steps. let hope something positive will come from this. before all the hate mongers start criticising, thinking it was down to asian votes for respect, overall they voted a blue eyed white guy. Good luck respect party.lazybeat

I just think it's shocking that for a City whos residents constantly moan and deride the place that so few people bothered to vote!

If people want change they have to vote it in, yet most people chose to site on their apathetic backsides!

I just think it's shocking that for a City whos residents constantly moan and deride the place that so few people bothered to vote!
If people want change they have to vote it in, yet most people chose to site on their apathetic backsides!mogpick4

antianti wrote:
why dont all the anti respect commenters on here just give it 6 months and see what GG can do. Then you can judge them on what they have or havent done, not what you all think will happen? GG is the democratically elected mp for bradford, if you dont like next time you can canvass for the lib/con/lab/bnp or the monster raving loony party for all i care.
GG is anti war and anti cuts , im assuming his opponents are pro both the above.

GG does have a track record. A track record of failure, this is his fourth attempt now to be an MP.

Ever wonder why he never lasts more than one term and lost twice in his native Scotland?

NOT true!

[quote][p][bold]webess[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]antianti[/bold] wrote:
why dont all the anti respect commenters on here just give it 6 months and see what GG can do. Then you can judge them on what they have or havent done, not what you all think will happen? GG is the democratically elected mp for bradford, if you dont like next time you can canvass for the lib/con/lab/bnp or the monster raving loony party for all i care.
GG is anti war and anti cuts , im assuming his opponents are pro both the above.[/p][/quote]GG does have a track record. A track record of failure, this is his fourth attempt now to be an MP.
Ever wonder why he never lasts more than one term and lost twice in his native Scotland?[/p][/quote]NOT true!lonniejockstrap

thingybob68 wrote:
at it again albino, can you not handle non whites voting, why does it upset you so much, are you worried that asians might finally get a voice.

theres been segregagtion in bradford for decades with complete areas, housing etc etc divided amongst racial lines, not that Respect is an asain only party as clearly people from all backgrounds are voting. ive never vote din my life but for hte first time i felt compelled to vote, and yes i voted respect. why? because i want change, i dont want my children growing up in apartheid with sub standard schooling and health services, and im pretty sure many others voted for change for the same reason. As always Albion, you remain an ignorant hate mongerer.

As for you Dicky, why dont yo come down to Bradford and see what else is affected by ethinity, it might be an eye opener for you.

well said this town wants to see change and this is a first in its steps. let hope something positive will come from this. before all the hate mongers start criticising, thinking it was down to asian votes for respect, overall they voted a blue eyed white guy. Good luck respect party.

Islam doesn't care about the colour of someones skin so why did you say that?
why would you pretend the religion is racist to prove a point? why would muslims not vote for a blue eyed white guy??

what you just said is

it isnt asian votes that got him in because after all they are not likely to vote a white guy -therefor it must have been white people who voted him in.

i find your comment racist actually

[quote][p][bold]lazybeat[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote:
at it again albino, can you not handle non whites voting, why does it upset you so much, are you worried that asians might finally get a voice.
theres been segregagtion in bradford for decades with complete areas, housing etc etc divided amongst racial lines, not that Respect is an asain only party as clearly people from all backgrounds are voting. ive never vote din my life but for hte first time i felt compelled to vote, and yes i voted respect. why? because i want change, i dont want my children growing up in apartheid with sub standard schooling and health services, and im pretty sure many others voted for change for the same reason. As always Albion, you remain an ignorant hate mongerer.
As for you Dicky, why dont yo come down to Bradford and see what else is affected by ethinity, it might be an eye opener for you.[/p][/quote]well said this town wants to see change and this is a first in its steps. let hope something positive will come from this. before all the hate mongers start criticising, thinking it was down to asian votes for respect, overall they voted a blue eyed white guy. Good luck respect party.[/p][/quote]Islam doesn't care about the colour of someones skin so why did you say that?
why would you pretend the religion is racist to prove a point? why would muslims not vote for a blue eyed white guy??
what you just said is
it isnt asian votes that got him in because after all they are not likely to vote a white guy -therefor it must have been white people who voted him in.
i find your comment racist actuallyi hate bradford

tyker2 said at 6:47pm Fri 4 May 2012
'Do you have better proposals ... ?
tyker2, essentially I agree with you, that Bradford has been left to rot for decades, When I first moved to Bradford/Leeds they were both on their knees - Boar Ln had trees growing out of its fine buildings and the Arcades were falling down.
Then Political control stabilized in Leeds, while that in Bradford was yo-yo-ing. The economy of Leeds took off, investments and jobs flooded in with people oriented policies enacted by Labour, with the Liberals acting as a ginger group.
In Bradford the Tories continued the slash and burn policies that had filled their back pockets, bank accounts and off shore tax avoidance havens in the past.
Council guaranteed Old people's homes were starved of funds then sold into the hands of asset strippers where they, and their vulnerable residents, became yet another commodity to be traded. Bought and sold like a sack of spuds.
‘Council’ housing was let go to rack and ruin - blighting the health and educational prospects of all generations for years to come. The ‘Well to do’ fled the decrepit schools, de-camping to areas where their pals would build brand new schools, libraries, etc at the expense of the much more needy and neglected City centre Victorian legacy.
Bradford needs massive investment. It needs a united positive front, not the petty bickering and mud slinging exhibited in much, but not all, of the contributions in this thread so far.
It needs strong, confident, expert Portfolio holders to make sure that the Executive carries out policy decided by the policy makers - influenced by us. Execs who don’t, or won’t deliver should be shown the door P D Q.
Someone re-badged ‘Rate Payers’ as Customers. But we’re treated like mendicants. Customers hold their cash until they’ve got their purchases. We pay up, then Council employees decide what THEY think we should have. That’s got to stop.

Lobby your Councilors, go to their Surgeries, attend Council Committee meetings - they’re more fun than you think. Attend Bradford’s unique Neighbourhood Forums - there’s one near you soon.
Bradford’s getting more positive publicity on TV and other media than we could hope for in our wildest dreams.
Use it Bradford - use it or loose it!
Let’s - Build a Better Bradford - one we can look at with pride and say ‘We did that.’

tyker2 said at 6:47pm Fri 4 May 2012
'Do you have better proposals ... ?
tyker2, essentially I agree with you, that Bradford has been left to rot for decades, When I first moved to Bradford/Leeds they were both on their knees - Boar Ln had trees growing out of its fine buildings and the Arcades were falling down.
Then Political control stabilized in Leeds, while that in Bradford was yo-yo-ing. The economy of Leeds took off, investments and jobs flooded in with people oriented policies enacted by Labour, with the Liberals acting as a ginger group.
In Bradford the Tories continued the slash and burn policies that had filled their back pockets, bank accounts and off shore tax avoidance havens in the past.
Council guaranteed Old people's homes were starved of funds then sold into the hands of asset strippers where they, and their vulnerable residents, became yet another commodity to be traded. Bought and sold like a sack of spuds.
‘Council’ housing was let go to rack and ruin - blighting the health and educational prospects of all generations for years to come. The ‘Well to do’ fled the decrepit schools, de-camping to areas where their pals would build brand new schools, libraries, etc at the expense of the much more needy and neglected City centre Victorian legacy.
Bradford needs massive investment. It needs a united positive front, not the petty bickering and mud slinging exhibited in much, but not all, of the contributions in this thread so far.
It needs strong, confident, expert Portfolio holders to make sure that the Executive carries out policy decided by the policy makers - influenced by us. Execs who don’t, or won’t deliver should be shown the door P D Q.
Someone re-badged ‘Rate Payers’ as Customers. But we’re treated like mendicants. Customers hold their cash until they’ve got their purchases. We pay up, then Council employees decide what THEY think we should have. That’s got to stop.
Lobby your Councilors, go to their Surgeries, attend Council Committee meetings - they’re more fun than you think. Attend Bradford’s unique Neighbourhood Forums - there’s one near you soon.
Bradford’s getting more positive publicity on TV and other media than we could hope for in our wildest dreams.
Use it Bradford - use it or loose it!
Let’s - Build a Better Bradford - one we can look at with pride and say ‘We did that.’AAA.Happy.Man

Yes, there are also more incidents being reported in The Guardian today.
It's surprising it gets mentioned in a national newspaper first.

The T&A hasn't reported that GG has called for the resignation of Tony Reeve, Chief Exec of Bradford Council either. Or that GG is suing Councillor Arshad Hussein for defamation and that his defamation was made using a 'Council telephone' (texting) and, therefore, involves Bradford City Council in what could become a criminal liable case.

Come on T&A keep up!

[quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Steam Pigs[/bold] wrote:
Reports last night of the Lib Dems calling the police following an aggressive incident involving Respect and Labour and Respect voters clashing – why isn’t the T&A reporting this????[/p][/quote]Yes, there are also more incidents being reported in The Guardian today.
It's surprising it gets mentioned in a national newspaper first.[/p][/quote]The T&A hasn't reported that GG has called for the resignation of Tony Reeve, Chief Exec of Bradford Council either. Or that GG is suing Councillor Arshad Hussein for defamation and that his defamation was made using a 'Council telephone' (texting) and, therefore, involves Bradford City Council in what could become a criminal liable case.
Come on T&A keep up!lonniejockstrap

Tonight, Friday, the 'Look North' political commentator opined that heads get hot after so much Street activity and accusations of physicality are always made, but come to naught in the cold light of 'dawn'.

On the same prog - MP Ward was il-liberal in some of his comments about RESPECT, and MP Galloway showed scant respect for MP-W's claims.

I think I saw the Tories weeping at being denied their Right to Rule, yet again.

Tonight, Friday, the 'Look North' political commentator opined that heads get hot after so much Street activity and accusations of physicality are always made, but come to naught in the cold light of 'dawn'.
On the same prog - MP Ward was il-liberal in some of his comments about RESPECT, and MP Galloway showed scant respect for MP-W's claims.
I think I saw the Tories weeping at being denied their Right to Rule, yet again.AAA.Happy.Man

Tricky Dicky wrote:
Previously, Party affiliation was affected by class. Now, at least in Bradford, it appears affected by ethnicity. A new type of politics is dawning in Bradford and it is something our political leaders will have to take note of.

I agree with you,Galloway loves them asians,when the BNP do stuff like galloway they are branded racist,I am still waiting for a reply to an email I sent to galloway a week after he won the bradford west by election asking him what is he going to do about the housing shortage but obviously when he saw I was non asian by my name I won't be getting a reply

[quote][p][bold]Tricky Dicky[/bold] wrote:
Previously, Party affiliation was affected by class. Now, at least in Bradford, it appears affected by ethnicity. A new type of politics is dawning in Bradford and it is something our political leaders will have to take note of.[/p][/quote]I agree with you,Galloway loves them asians,when the BNP do stuff like galloway they are branded racist,I am still waiting for a reply to an email I sent to galloway a week after he won the bradford west by election asking him what is he going to do about the housing shortage but obviously when he saw I was non asian by my name I won't be getting a replyfarage

vbfg wrote:
If you two usual suspects think only Asian people are voting Respect you're kidding yourselves with your own bigotted ignorance.

are you asian? its got nothing to do with been bigotted you biggott it's called freedom of speach a lot of asian countries don't like freedom of speech thats why they come to the uk and bring up children to blow people up on buses or have you forgot that you biggott

[quote][p][bold]vbfg[/bold] wrote:
If you two usual suspects think only Asian people are voting Respect you're kidding yourselves with your own bigotted ignorance.[/p][/quote]are you asian? its got nothing to do with been bigotted you biggott it's called freedom of speach a lot of asian countries don't like freedom of speech thats why they come to the uk and bring up children to blow people up on buses or have you forgot that you biggottfarage

thingybob68 wrote:
at it again albino, can you not handle non whites voting, why does it upset you so much, are you worried that asians might finally get a voice.

theres been segregagtion in bradford for decades with complete areas, housing etc etc divided amongst racial lines, not that Respect is an asain only party as clearly people from all backgrounds are voting. ive never vote din my life but for hte first time i felt compelled to vote, and yes i voted respect. why? because i want change, i dont want my children growing up in apartheid with sub standard schooling and health services, and im pretty sure many others voted for change for the same reason. As always Albion, you remain an ignorant hate mongerer.

As for you Dicky, why dont yo come down to Bradford and see what else is affected by ethinity, it might be an eye opener for you.

It's your lot that didn't integrate,apart from your curry houses,its your lot that have made some parts of bradford a shithole,its your lot that go around blowing **** buses up its your lot gang raping young white girls do you want me to keep going you you **** racist

[quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote:
at it again albino, can you not handle non whites voting, why does it upset you so much, are you worried that asians might finally get a voice.
theres been segregagtion in bradford for decades with complete areas, housing etc etc divided amongst racial lines, not that Respect is an asain only party as clearly people from all backgrounds are voting. ive never vote din my life but for hte first time i felt compelled to vote, and yes i voted respect. why? because i want change, i dont want my children growing up in apartheid with sub standard schooling and health services, and im pretty sure many others voted for change for the same reason. As always Albion, you remain an ignorant hate mongerer.
As for you Dicky, why dont yo come down to Bradford and see what else is affected by ethinity, it might be an eye opener for you.[/p][/quote]It's your lot that didn't integrate,apart from your curry houses,its your lot that have made some parts of bradford a shithole,its your lot that go around blowing **** buses up its your lot gang raping young white girls do you want me to keep going you you **** racistfarage

thingybob68 wrote:
at it again albino, can you not handle non whites voting, why does it upset you so much, are you worried that asians might finally get a voice.

theres been segregagtion in bradford for decades with complete areas, housing etc etc divided amongst racial lines, not that Respect is an asain only party as clearly people from all backgrounds are voting. ive never vote din my life but for hte first time i felt compelled to vote, and yes i voted respect. why? because i want change, i dont want my children growing up in apartheid with sub standard schooling and health services, and im pretty sure many others voted for change for the same reason. As always Albion, you remain an ignorant hate mongerer.

As for you Dicky, why dont yo come down to Bradford and see what else is affected by ethinity, it might be an eye opener for you.

well said this town wants to see change and this is a first in its steps. let hope something positive will come from this. before all the hate mongers start criticising, thinking it was down to asian votes for respect, overall they voted a blue eyed white guy. Good luck respect party.

Islam doesn't care about the colour of someones skin so why did you say that?
why would you pretend the religion is racist to prove a point? why would muslims not vote for a blue eyed white guy??

what you just said is

it isnt asian votes that got him in because after all they are not likely to vote a white guy -therefor it must have been white people who voted him in.

i find your comment racist actually

Islam doesn't care about the colour of someones skin so why did you say that?
why would you pretend the religion is racist to prove a point? why would muslims not vote for a blue eyed white guy??

what you just said is

it isnt asian votes that got him in because after all they are not likely to vote a white guy -therefor it must have been white people who voted him in.
SEE THAT WORD RACISM REARS ITS UGLY HEAD AGAIN
As Of Course Their EXCUSE Every Time, Yes Islam / Muslim, Dont Care About Colour Of Skin,
As Long As They REAK HAVOC
For Them

[quote][p][bold]i hate bradford[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]lazybeat[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote:
at it again albino, can you not handle non whites voting, why does it upset you so much, are you worried that asians might finally get a voice.
theres been segregagtion in bradford for decades with complete areas, housing etc etc divided amongst racial lines, not that Respect is an asain only party as clearly people from all backgrounds are voting. ive never vote din my life but for hte first time i felt compelled to vote, and yes i voted respect. why? because i want change, i dont want my children growing up in apartheid with sub standard schooling and health services, and im pretty sure many others voted for change for the same reason. As always Albion, you remain an ignorant hate mongerer.
As for you Dicky, why dont yo come down to Bradford and see what else is affected by ethinity, it might be an eye opener for you.[/p][/quote]well said this town wants to see change and this is a first in its steps. let hope something positive will come from this. before all the hate mongers start criticising, thinking it was down to asian votes for respect, overall they voted a blue eyed white guy. Good luck respect party.[/p][/quote]Islam doesn't care about the colour of someones skin so why did you say that?
why would you pretend the religion is racist to prove a point? why would muslims not vote for a blue eyed white guy??
what you just said is
it isnt asian votes that got him in because after all they are not likely to vote a white guy -therefor it must have been white people who voted him in.
i find your comment racist actually[/p][/quote]Islam doesn't care about the colour of someones skin so why did you say that?
why would you pretend the religion is racist to prove a point? why would muslims not vote for a blue eyed white guy??
what you just said is
it isnt asian votes that got him in because after all they are not likely to vote a white guy -therefor it must have been white people who voted him in.
SEE THAT WORD RACISM REARS ITS UGLY HEAD AGAIN
As Of Course Their EXCUSE Every Time, Yes Islam / Muslim, Dont Care About Colour Of Skin,
As Long As They REAK HAVOC
For ThemAntiDrug

Well the more this thread goes on it gets clearer & clearer, & Paints A Picture, Of Who Is & Who Is Not Wanted In This Country, !!! There are no mentions about, Gemans, Americans, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Australians, New Zealanders, Africans, French, Belgium, Indians, Jamaicans, Carribean, You Name Them, We Have Them All, BUT Why Are They Not Mentioned ??, Probably & Most Likely, BECAUSE, They Intergrate, & Live By Our Rules & Regs, DONT Cause Trouble, Not Act Like Terrorists, SO Who Is Not Wanted,??? & So The Mention Of Skin Colour Is An Ivalid Remark, This Thread, Does It Not Point It All Out ??
And As Far As Religion Is Concerned , It HAS Caused Many Problems Since The Year DOT, & Will Carry On
But Some Just Use It As An Excuse, & A Weapon
We Do Not Want The Likes Of GG In This Country, Whaterver Their Colour Is, Be It White Or Otherwise, & If GG Is So Pro ASIAN, Then Why Dont He Get Back There, ??
The Whites Are NOT Racist, But We Know Who Is, Dont We ???
& Who Uses It As A Weapon, Trouble Is In This Country, WE ARE TO SOFT, The Goverments We Had Had, For Years, Has Fell For This Excuse RACISM, Hook Line & Sinker, But Will We Ever Get A Government Who Has The Guts To Tell The True Story, Like The Australians Have Done
As Reported, "You Are Welcome Here, BUT You Live By Our Rules & Regs, OR Get Out"

Well the more this thread goes on it gets clearer & clearer, & Paints A Picture, Of Who Is & Who Is Not Wanted In This Country, !!! There are no mentions about, Gemans, Americans, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Australians, New Zealanders, Africans, French, Belgium, Indians, Jamaicans, Carribean, You Name Them, We Have Them All, BUT Why Are They Not Mentioned ??, Probably & Most Likely, BECAUSE, They Intergrate, & Live By Our Rules & Regs, DONT Cause Trouble, Not Act Like Terrorists, SO Who Is Not Wanted,??? & So The Mention Of Skin Colour Is An Ivalid Remark, This Thread, Does It Not Point It All Out ??
And As Far As Religion Is Concerned , It HAS Caused Many Problems Since The Year DOT, & Will Carry On
But Some Just Use It As An Excuse, & A Weapon
We Do Not Want The Likes Of GG In This Country, Whaterver Their Colour Is, Be It White Or Otherwise, & If GG Is So Pro ASIAN, Then Why Dont He Get Back There, ??
The Whites Are NOT Racist, But We Know Who Is, Dont We ???
& Who Uses It As A Weapon, Trouble Is In This Country, WE ARE TO SOFT, The Goverments We Had Had, For Years, Has Fell For This Excuse RACISM, Hook Line & Sinker, But Will We Ever Get A Government Who Has The Guts To Tell The True Story, Like The Australians Have Done
As Reported, "You Are Welcome Here, BUT You Live By Our Rules & Regs, OR Get Out"AntiDrug

& What Has The Jews Got To Do With It, Maybe The Jews Would Not Put Up With Them ??
As Said Already, The WHITES Are Not RACIST, We Would Not Care Who Got Elected, IF They Did The Job That Is So Desperatrely Needed, & Not Just Be There To Fill THEIR Back Pockets, Not Just In Bradford, But Leeds, Manchester, Birmingham Etc
THIS IMIGRATION Has Got To Stop, They Are Breeding Like Flies, & & More Cities & Towns Will Become Ghettos, & This Country Will Finish Up A 3rd World
WHERE WILL THEY GO THEN
Nobody Else Wants Them!!!

& What Has The Jews Got To Do With It, Maybe The Jews Would Not Put Up With Them ??
As Said Already, The WHITES Are Not RACIST, We Would Not Care Who Got Elected, IF They Did The Job That Is So Desperatrely Needed, & Not Just Be There To Fill THEIR Back Pockets, Not Just In Bradford, But Leeds, Manchester, Birmingham Etc
THIS IMIGRATION Has Got To Stop, They Are Breeding Like Flies, & & More Cities & Towns Will Become Ghettos, & This Country Will Finish Up A 3rd World
WHERE WILL THEY GO THEN
Nobody Else Wants Them!!!AntiDrug

Your posts are hard work to read. Don't you want to be understood? Why put a capital letter at the beginning of every word? Sorry, it just makes you look silly. The overuse of capitols used for whole words doesn't help either. And you might want to consider ordering your posts into paragraphs (as things stand you come across like some ranting, barely-literate loon).

I hope you find these comments helpful and take them in the spirit in which they are intended.

@ AntiDrug:
Your posts are hard work to read. Don't you want to be understood? Why put a capital letter at the beginning of every word? Sorry, it just makes you look silly. The overuse of capitols used for whole words doesn't help either. And you might want to consider ordering your posts into paragraphs (as things stand you come across like some ranting, barely-literate loon).
I hope you find these comments helpful and take them in the spirit in which they are intended.Patrick Bateman

farage says... 4:38am Sat 5 May 12,
.... I am still waiting for a reply to an email I sent to galloway a week after he won the bradford west by election asking him what is he going to do about the housing shortage but obviously when he saw I was non asian by my name I won't be getting a reply
----------------
Mr / Ms farage, it is reasonably clear that you think that you are one of the most important people in :
Your head;
Your house...Your street...and possibly Bradford West.
You genuinely think that MP Galloway has nothing better to do than sit around waiting for you to write to him demanding that he resolve a problem that has foxed Governments for the last half century.
When he doesn’t send you a solution by return of post, it is ‘obviously’ because he is a racist , and threw your email away to encourage you to write to this column with conclusive proof that he is a racist and a political captive of Islam.
That’s ONE explanation – others are available.

farage says... 4:38am Sat 5 May 12,
.... I am still waiting for a reply to an email I sent to galloway a week after he won the bradford west by election asking him what is he going to do about the housing shortage but obviously when he saw I was non asian by my name I won't be getting a reply
----------------
Mr / Ms farage, it is reasonably clear that you think that you are one of the most important people in :
Your head;
Your house...Your street...and possibly Bradford West.
You genuinely think that MP Galloway has nothing better to do than sit around waiting for you to write to him demanding that he resolve a problem that has foxed Governments for the last half century.
When he doesn’t send you a solution by return of post, it is ‘obviously’ because he is a racist , and threw your email away to encourage you to write to this column with conclusive proof that he is a racist and a political captive of Islam.
That’s ONE explanation – others are available.AAA.Happy.Man

Yes, there are also more incidents being reported in The Guardian today.
It's surprising it gets mentioned in a national newspaper first.

The T&amp;A hasn't reported that GG has called for the resignation of Tony Reeve, Chief Exec of Bradford Council either. Or that GG is suing Councillor Arshad Hussein for defamation and that his defamation was made using a 'Council telephone' (texting) and, therefore, involves Bradford City Council in what could become a criminal liable case.

Come on T&amp;A keep up!

Yet another court case where GG is expecting cash because someone's besmirched his good name?
No wonder he's no time to attend parliament.

[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Steam Pigs[/bold] wrote:
Reports last night of the Lib Dems calling the police following an aggressive incident involving Respect and Labour and Respect voters clashing – why isn’t the T&A reporting this????[/p][/quote]Yes, there are also more incidents being reported in The Guardian today.
It's surprising it gets mentioned in a national newspaper first.[/p][/quote]The T&A hasn't reported that GG has called for the resignation of Tony Reeve, Chief Exec of Bradford Council either. Or that GG is suing Councillor Arshad Hussein for defamation and that his defamation was made using a 'Council telephone' (texting) and, therefore, involves Bradford City Council in what could become a criminal liable case.
Come on T&A keep up![/p][/quote]Yet another court case where GG is expecting cash because someone's besmirched his good name?
No wonder he's no time to attend parliament.webess

On the point of David Ward, he is my local MP and recently, within the last 3 weeks, he has handled, dealt with and brought to a conclusion two LOCAL issues I have raised. I found his response time and responses well above average for any correspondence and actions, all this in the lead up to this election. He could have sent a polite mail explaining how busy he was and would get back to me, instead he outlined his thoughts, the steps he'd like to take and his hopeful outcome.

Whilst not campaigning for the lib dems what I will say is happyman is correct, get down to the surgeries and open door days, raise your concerns, make politics and politicians work for you. Instead of us arguing let them argue, that is their job, considered agendas, considered agenda debates and decisions. If they don't know you have an issue but you constantly moan about it, go moan to them, make them work. They cannot possibly be too busy, you are their job.

Reasoned responses happyman.
On the point of David Ward, he is my local MP and recently, within the last 3 weeks, he has handled, dealt with and brought to a conclusion two LOCAL issues I have raised. I found his response time and responses well above average for any correspondence and actions, all this in the lead up to this election. He could have sent a polite mail explaining how busy he was and would get back to me, instead he outlined his thoughts, the steps he'd like to take and his hopeful outcome.
Whilst not campaigning for the lib dems what I will say is happyman is correct, get down to the surgeries and open door days, raise your concerns, make politics and politicians work for you. Instead of us arguing let them argue, that is their job, considered agendas, considered agenda debates and decisions. If they don't know you have an issue but you constantly moan about it, go moan to them, make them work. They cannot possibly be too busy, you are their job.Prisoner Cell Block A

Yes, there are also more incidents being reported in The Guardian today.
It's surprising it gets mentioned in a national newspaper first.

The T&amp;A hasn't reported that GG has called for the resignation of Tony Reeve, Chief Exec of Bradford Council either. Or that GG is suing Councillor Arshad Hussein for defamation and that his defamation was made using a 'Council telephone' (texting) and, therefore, involves Bradford City Council in what could become a criminal liable case.

Come on T&amp;A keep up!

Yet another court case where GG is expecting cash because someone's besmirched his good name?
No wonder he's no time to attend parliament.

I think he is more interested in stopping folks spreading lies about him than the money.

Whether you agree with GG's views or not you have to agree that the combined media, political and security establishments of this country and America have not been able to show that he is corrupt or 'in it for the money'. How many other politicians could survive the microscopic analysis of their private and public duties that GG has had to withstand? Would you come out as clean as him? I know I certainly wouldn't. He is making the the politicians and public servants justify their positions to the people who elected them. Good for him -and us!

[quote][p][bold]webess[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Steam Pigs[/bold] wrote:
Reports last night of the Lib Dems calling the police following an aggressive incident involving Respect and Labour and Respect voters clashing – why isn’t the T&A reporting this????[/p][/quote]Yes, there are also more incidents being reported in The Guardian today.
It's surprising it gets mentioned in a national newspaper first.[/p][/quote]The T&A hasn't reported that GG has called for the resignation of Tony Reeve, Chief Exec of Bradford Council either. Or that GG is suing Councillor Arshad Hussein for defamation and that his defamation was made using a 'Council telephone' (texting) and, therefore, involves Bradford City Council in what could become a criminal liable case.
Come on T&A keep up![/p][/quote]Yet another court case where GG is expecting cash because someone's besmirched his good name?
No wonder he's no time to attend parliament.[/p][/quote]I think he is more interested in stopping folks spreading lies about him than the money.
Whether you agree with GG's views or not you have to agree that the combined media, political and security establishments of this country and America have not been able to show that he is corrupt or 'in it for the money'. How many other politicians could survive the microscopic analysis of their private and public duties that GG has had to withstand? Would you come out as clean as him? I know I certainly wouldn't. He is making the the politicians and public servants justify their positions to the people who elected them. Good for him -and us!lonniejockstrap

There is a call for the city to be rebuilt from the venture out. Politicians of all shades of red through to blue and beyond have failed and,to my ming,wilfully whilst those paid officials have twiddled their expensive pens!
Time ti **** and move Westfield into a position of getting on with it or taking a hit. Let us hope now that people will get off their collective backsides to make sure that those newly elected officials start a proper review,completely it quickly and start work. Target date no later than 1January 2013and,more importantly, keep the public informed of those seeking to block them or withholding information and,of course,PROGRESS!

There is a call for the city to be rebuilt from the venture out. Politicians of all shades of red through to blue and beyond have failed and,to my ming,wilfully whilst those paid officials have twiddled their expensive pens!
Time ti **** and move Westfield into a position of getting on with it or taking a hit. Let us hope now that people will get off their collective backsides to make sure that those newly elected officials start a proper review,completely it quickly and start work. Target date no later than 1January 2013and,more importantly, keep the public informed of those seeking to block them or withholding information and,of course,PROGRESS!tyker2

tyker2 wrote:
There is a call for the city to be rebuilt from the venture out. Politicians of all shades of red through to blue and beyond have failed and,to my ming,wilfully whilst those paid officials have twiddled their expensive pens!
Time ti **** and move Westfield into a position of getting on with it or taking a hit. Let us hope now that people will get off their collective backsides to make sure that those newly elected officials start a proper review,completely it quickly and start work. Target date no later than 1January 2013and,more importantly, keep the public informed of those seeking to block them or withholding information and,of course,PROGRESS!

I would imagine such moves HAVE been considered, until such things as legal fees and compensation get mentioned.

[quote][p][bold]tyker2[/bold] wrote:
There is a call for the city to be rebuilt from the venture out. Politicians of all shades of red through to blue and beyond have failed and,to my ming,wilfully whilst those paid officials have twiddled their expensive pens!
Time ti **** and move Westfield into a position of getting on with it or taking a hit. Let us hope now that people will get off their collective backsides to make sure that those newly elected officials start a proper review,completely it quickly and start work. Target date no later than 1January 2013and,more importantly, keep the public informed of those seeking to block them or withholding information and,of course,PROGRESS![/p][/quote]I would imagine such moves HAVE been considered, until such things as legal fees and compensation get mentioned.Albion.

Prisoner Cell Block A says...10:58am Sat 5 May 12
‘ ... David Ward, ... my local MP ... handled, dealt with and brought to a conclusion two LOCAL issues I have raised. I found his response time and responses well above average for any correspondence and actions, he outlined his thoughts, the steps he'd like to take and his hopeful outcome. happyman is correct, get down to the surgeries and open door days, raise your concerns, make politics and politicians work for you. ... go moan to them, make them work. They cannot possibly be too busy,
You are their job.’
Spot on, PCBA.
MPs get lots of money which is Ring Fenced, to pay for Support Staff – researchers, secretaries, typists, etc. MP Ward is using his allocation to good effect and providing you and ‘his’ other constituents the service you’ve paid for and deserve.
Well done MPW, you’re carrying on the traditional role of the Liberal Party – taking care of your Community – that’s how you made inroads in areas where the Councillors of the large parties had become complacent.
Then you p^^^^d it all against the wall by selling out to the Class Traitors in ‘The Gang of Four’, and their careerists poodles, including the then Labour MP for Bradford West – Eddie Lyons.
Not satisfied with that, the Liberals have been sold out again by MPClegg.
At the next General Election, David Steel’s words will ring in your ears ‘ Go back to your constituencies, and prepare for .............. EXTINCTION !’
Sic transit Gloria mundi

Prisoner Cell Block A says...10:58am Sat 5 May 12
‘ ... David Ward, ... my local MP ... handled, dealt with and brought to a conclusion two LOCAL issues I have raised. I found his response time and responses well above average for any correspondence and actions, he outlined his thoughts, the steps he'd like to take and his hopeful outcome. happyman is correct, get down to the surgeries and open door days, raise your concerns, make politics and politicians work for you. ... go moan to them, make them work. They cannot possibly be too busy,
You are their job.’
Spot on, PCBA.
MPs get lots of money which is Ring Fenced, to pay for Support Staff – researchers, secretaries, typists, etc. MP Ward is using his allocation to good effect and providing you and ‘his’ other constituents the service you’ve paid for and deserve.
Well done MPW, you’re carrying on the traditional role of the Liberal Party – taking care of your Community – that’s how you made inroads in areas where the Councillors of the large parties had become complacent.
Then you p^^^^d it all against the wall by selling out to the Class Traitors in ‘The Gang of Four’, and their careerists poodles, including the then Labour MP for Bradford West – Eddie Lyons.
Not satisfied with that, the Liberals have been sold out again by MPClegg.
At the next General Election, David Steel’s words will ring in your ears ‘ Go back to your constituencies, and prepare for .............. EXTINCTION !’
Sic transit Gloria mundiAAA.Happy.Man

tyker2 says... 11:47am Sat 5 May 12
' ...to make sure that those newly elected officials start a proper review,completely it quickly ...
---------------
t#2 - Perhaps you'd care to join my On-line guide to the basics of the UK's (So called) Democratic process;
Here's your 1st, Free, PolEdBite.
* Politicians are the ones who are elected and are paid to make Policy on our behalf - that's why they are called Poli-ticians/
* Council Officials are recruited, interviewed and appointed by the Poli-ticians. They are there to Execute the policies decided by the Poli-ticians. that's why those Officials are usually called Execut-ives;
Now - repeat after me :
Poli-ticians = Poli-cies
Execut-ives = Execute the Poli-cies.

NB Execute in this context = Carry out, NOT Kill off, as too many think that it is their un-elected right to do.

tyker2 says... 11:47am Sat 5 May 12
' ...to make sure that those newly elected officials start a proper review,completely it quickly ...
---------------
t#2 - Perhaps you'd care to join my On-line guide to the basics of the UK's (So called) Democratic process;
Here's your 1st, Free, PolEdBite.
* Politicians are the ones who are elected and are paid to make Policy on our behalf - that's why they are called Poli-ticians/
* Council Officials are recruited, interviewed and appointed by the Poli-ticians. They are there to Execute the policies decided by the Poli-ticians. that's why those Officials are usually called Execut-ives;
Now - repeat after me :
Poli-ticians = Poli-cies
Execut-ives = Execute the Poli-cies.
NB Execute in this context = Carry out, NOT Kill off, as too many think that it is their un-elected right to do.AAA.Happy.Man

AAA.Happy.Man wrote:
tyker2 says... 11:47am Sat 5 May 12
' ...to make sure that those newly elected officials start a proper review,completely it quickly ...
---------------
t#2 - Perhaps you'd care to join my On-line guide to the basics of the UK's (So called) Democratic process;
Here's your 1st, Free, PolEdBite.
* Politicians are the ones who are elected and are paid to make Policy on our behalf - that's why they are called Poli-ticians/
* Council Officials are recruited, interviewed and appointed by the Poli-ticians. They are there to Execute the policies decided by the Poli-ticians. that's why those Officials are usually called Execut-ives;
Now - repeat after me :
Poli-ticians = Poli-cies
Execut-ives = Execute the Poli-cies.

NB Execute in this context = Carry out, NOT Kill off, as too many think that it is their un-elected right to do.

I like your posts Happy.Man.

[quote][p][bold]AAA.Happy.Man[/bold] wrote:
tyker2 says... 11:47am Sat 5 May 12
' ...to make sure that those newly elected officials start a proper review,completely it quickly ...
---------------
t#2 - Perhaps you'd care to join my On-line guide to the basics of the UK's (So called) Democratic process;
Here's your 1st, Free, PolEdBite.
* Politicians are the ones who are elected and are paid to make Policy on our behalf - that's why they are called Poli-ticians/
* Council Officials are recruited, interviewed and appointed by the Poli-ticians. They are there to Execute the policies decided by the Poli-ticians. that's why those Officials are usually called Execut-ives;
Now - repeat after me :
Poli-ticians = Poli-cies
Execut-ives = Execute the Poli-cies.
NB Execute in this context = Carry out, NOT Kill off, as too many think that it is their un-elected right to do.[/p][/quote]I like your posts Happy.Man.lonniejockstrap

"Banking was conceived in iniquity and born in sin. Bankers own the Earth. Take it away from them but leave them the power to create money, and, with the flick of a pen, they will create enough money to buy it back again. Take this great power away from them and all great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for then this would be a better and happier world to live in. But, if you want to continue to be the slave of the bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let the bankers continue to create money and control credit." - Sir Josiah Stamp, President, Bank of England (2nd richest man in England)

Comments anyone?

"Banking was conceived in iniquity and born in sin. Bankers own the Earth. Take it away from them but leave them the power to create money, and, with the flick of a pen, they will create enough money to buy it back again. Take this great power away from them and all great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for then this would be a better and happier world to live in. But, if you want to continue to be the slave of the bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let the bankers continue to create money and control credit." - Sir Josiah Stamp, President, Bank of England (2nd richest man in England)
Comments anyone?lonniejockstrap

Your posts are hard work to read. Don't you want to be understood? Why put a capital letter at the beginning of every word? Sorry, it just makes you look silly. The overuse of capitols used for whole words doesn't help either. And you might want to consider ordering your posts into paragraphs (as things stand you come across like some ranting, barely-literate loon).

I hope you find these comments helpful and take them in the spirit in which they are intended.

Another Uneducated Moron,
Just Like Picking, Nothing Better to Do
Read The Newspapers
Writen Same As Me
But As You Provem Yourself You Cannot Read ENGLISH
Like Most Of You, UNTIl It Involves MONEY, & SS Benefits
Then You Can Read That

[quote][p][bold]Patrick Bateman[/bold] wrote:
@ AntiDrug:
Your posts are hard work to read. Don't you want to be understood? Why put a capital letter at the beginning of every word? Sorry, it just makes you look silly. The overuse of capitols used for whole words doesn't help either. And you might want to consider ordering your posts into paragraphs (as things stand you come across like some ranting, barely-literate loon).
I hope you find these comments helpful and take them in the spirit in which they are intended.[/p][/quote]Another Uneducated Moron,
Just Like Picking, Nothing Better to Do
Read The Newspapers
Writen Same As Me
But As You Provem Yourself You Cannot Read ENGLISH
Like Most Of You, UNTIl It Involves MONEY, & SS Benefits
Then You Can Read ThatAntiDrug

"I am afraid the ordinary citizen will not like to be told that the banks can and do create money. And they who control the credit of the nation direct the policy of Governments and hold in the hollow of their hand the destiny of the people." Reginald McKenna, as Chairman of the Midland Bank, addressing stockholders in 1924.

How much faith do you have in Politicians and Governments to 'change the system'?

"When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain." Napoleon Bonaparte, Emperor of France.

To win at the game you need to know what the rules are. Don't think too hard folks the Real World is stranger than Alison in Wonderland. And once you wake up to who really Governs, then you might -we ALL might- ,collectively, really be able to have an impact on Political change.

Right, I'm off for my dose of 'opium for the masses'. Come on City!, come on City!

"I am afraid the ordinary citizen will not like to be told that the banks can and do create money. And they who control the credit of the nation direct the policy of Governments and hold in the hollow of their hand the destiny of the people." Reginald McKenna, as Chairman of the Midland Bank, addressing stockholders in 1924.
How much faith do you have in Politicians and Governments to 'change the system'?
"When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain." Napoleon Bonaparte, Emperor of France.
To win at the game you need to know what the rules are. Don't think too hard folks the Real World is stranger than Alison in Wonderland. And once you wake up to who really Governs, then you might -we ALL might- ,collectively, really be able to have an impact on Political change.
Right, I'm off for my dose of 'opium for the masses'. Come on City!, come on City!lonniejockstrap

lonniejockstrap wrote:
&quot;Banking was conceived in iniquity and born in sin. Bankers own the Earth. Take it away from them but leave them the power to create money, and, with the flick of a pen, they will create enough money to buy it back again. Take this great power away from them and all great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for then this would be a better and happier world to live in. But, if you want to continue to be the slave of the bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let the bankers continue to create money and control credit." - Sir Josiah Stamp, President, Bank of England (2nd richest man in England)

Comments anyone?

http://econproph.com
/2010/11/30/are-bank
s-necessary/ If the right conditions are created the necessary improvisation would take place to allow business and finance to continue.

[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote:
"Banking was conceived in iniquity and born in sin. Bankers own the Earth. Take it away from them but leave them the power to create money, and, with the flick of a pen, they will create enough money to buy it back again. Take this great power away from them and all great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for then this would be a better and happier world to live in. But, if you want to continue to be the slave of the bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let the bankers continue to create money and control credit." - Sir Josiah Stamp, President, Bank of England (2nd richest man in England)
Comments anyone?[/p][/quote]http://econproph.com
/2010/11/30/are-bank
s-necessary/ If the right conditions are created the necessary improvisation would take place to allow business and finance to continue.Albion.

lonniejockstrap wrote:
&quot;I am afraid the ordinary citizen will not like to be told that the banks can and do create money. And they who control the credit of the nation direct the policy of Governments and hold in the hollow of their hand the destiny of the people." Reginald McKenna, as Chairman of the Midland Bank, addressing stockholders in 1924.

How much faith do you have in Politicians and Governments to 'change the system'?

"When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain." Napoleon Bonaparte, Emperor of France.

To win at the game you need to know what the rules are. Don't think too hard folks the Real World is stranger than Alison in Wonderland. And once you wake up to who really Governs, then you might -we ALL might- ,collectively, really be able to have an impact on Political change.

Right, I'm off for my dose of 'opium for the masses'. Come on City!, come on City!

"Alison"? Now that IS strange.

[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote:
"I am afraid the ordinary citizen will not like to be told that the banks can and do create money. And they who control the credit of the nation direct the policy of Governments and hold in the hollow of their hand the destiny of the people." Reginald McKenna, as Chairman of the Midland Bank, addressing stockholders in 1924.
How much faith do you have in Politicians and Governments to 'change the system'?
"When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain." Napoleon Bonaparte, Emperor of France.
To win at the game you need to know what the rules are. Don't think too hard folks the Real World is stranger than Alison in Wonderland. And once you wake up to who really Governs, then you might -we ALL might- ,collectively, really be able to have an impact on Political change.
Right, I'm off for my dose of 'opium for the masses'. Come on City!, come on City![/p][/quote]"Alison"? Now that IS strange.Albion.

lonniejockstrap wrote:
&quot;Banking was conceived in iniquity and born in sin. Bankers own the Earth. Take it away from them but leave them the power to create money, and, with the flick of a pen, they will create enough money to buy it back again. Take this great power away from them and all great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for then this would be a better and happier world to live in. But, if you want to continue to be the slave of the bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let the bankers continue to create money and control credit." - Sir Josiah Stamp, President, Bank of England (2nd richest man in England)

Comments anyone?

Yes !
Pheeewww!
------------------
WikiP tells me that a possible Ref is:
Speech - University of Texas in the 1920s

[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote:
"Banking was conceived in iniquity and born in sin. Bankers own the Earth. Take it away from them but leave them the power to create money, and, with the flick of a pen, they will create enough money to buy it back again. Take this great power away from them and all great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for then this would be a better and happier world to live in. But, if you want to continue to be the slave of the bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let the bankers continue to create money and control credit." - Sir Josiah Stamp, President, Bank of England (2nd richest man in England)
Comments anyone?[/p][/quote]Yes !
Pheeewww!
------------------
WikiP tells me that a possible Ref is:
Speech - University of Texas in the 1920sAAA.Happy.Man

lonniejockstrap wrote:
&quot;I am afraid the ordinary citizen will not like to be told that the banks can and do create money. And they who control the credit of the nation direct the policy of Governments and hold in the hollow of their hand the destiny of the people." Reginald McKenna, as Chairman of the Midland Bank, addressing stockholders in 1924.

How much faith do you have in Politicians and Governments to 'change the system'?

"When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain." Napoleon Bonaparte, Emperor of France.

To win at the game you need to know what the rules are. Don't think too hard folks the Real World is stranger than Alison in Wonderland. And once you wake up to who really Governs, then you might -we ALL might- ,collectively, really be able to have an impact on Political change.

Right, I'm off for my dose of 'opium for the masses'. Come on City!, come on City!

"Alison"? Now that IS strange.

'Alison'?, 'Alison'?, who the feck is 'Alison'? Apologies to Alice!

[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote:
"I am afraid the ordinary citizen will not like to be told that the banks can and do create money. And they who control the credit of the nation direct the policy of Governments and hold in the hollow of their hand the destiny of the people." Reginald McKenna, as Chairman of the Midland Bank, addressing stockholders in 1924.
How much faith do you have in Politicians and Governments to 'change the system'?
"When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain." Napoleon Bonaparte, Emperor of France.
To win at the game you need to know what the rules are. Don't think too hard folks the Real World is stranger than Alison in Wonderland. And once you wake up to who really Governs, then you might -we ALL might- ,collectively, really be able to have an impact on Political change.
Right, I'm off for my dose of 'opium for the masses'. Come on City!, come on City![/p][/quote]"Alison"? Now that IS strange.[/p][/quote]'Alison'?, 'Alison'?, who the feck is 'Alison'? Apologies to Alice!lonniejockstrap

lonniejockstrap wrote:
&quot;Banking was conceived in iniquity and born in sin. Bankers own the Earth. Take it away from them but leave them the power to create money, and, with the flick of a pen, they will create enough money to buy it back again. Take this great power away from them and all great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for then this would be a better and happier world to live in. But, if you want to continue to be the slave of the bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let the bankers continue to create money and control credit." - Sir Josiah Stamp, President, Bank of England (2nd richest man in England)

Comments anyone?

http://econproph.com

/2010/11/30/are-bank

s-necessary/ If the right conditions are created the necessary improvisation would take place to allow business and finance to continue.

Check out 'Guernsey's monetary experiment' and 'America created its own money in 1750 -No-debts.com' plus 'Colonial Scrip'.

[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote:
"Banking was conceived in iniquity and born in sin. Bankers own the Earth. Take it away from them but leave them the power to create money, and, with the flick of a pen, they will create enough money to buy it back again. Take this great power away from them and all great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for then this would be a better and happier world to live in. But, if you want to continue to be the slave of the bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let the bankers continue to create money and control credit." - Sir Josiah Stamp, President, Bank of England (2nd richest man in England)
Comments anyone?[/p][/quote]http://econproph.com
/2010/11/30/are-bank
s-necessary/ If the right conditions are created the necessary improvisation would take place to allow business and finance to continue.[/p][/quote]Check out 'Guernsey's monetary experiment' and 'America created its own money in 1750 -No-debts.com' plus 'Colonial Scrip'.lonniejockstrap

yorkshirepud61 wrote:
Unfortunately Labour has only had 2 years to put right 10 years of Tory mismanagement in Bradford. The Westfield site is a private venture and due to the downturn in the economy we have been left in the lurch, the Odeon again is in private hands and should be demolished,lets get Bradford back on its feet, WITHOUT Galloway he's got his job in Whitehall where will he stand next. Very sad to see Ian Greenwood loosing his seat, tribeal voting at it's worst.

Tripe. Greenwood was involved in the Odeon's demise for over a decade and regularly made it perfectly clear that, like a lot of the out of touch plonkers in the local Labour group, he didn't give a flying fig about it. He was a major player in the Regen, committee that made some of the worst decisions in Bradford history. Best place for him is in a pub playing fruit machines.

[quote][p][bold]yorkshirepud61[/bold] wrote:
Unfortunately Labour has only had 2 years to put right 10 years of Tory mismanagement in Bradford. The Westfield site is a private venture and due to the downturn in the economy we have been left in the lurch, the Odeon again is in private hands and should be demolished,lets get Bradford back on its feet, WITHOUT Galloway he's got his job in Whitehall where will he stand next. Very sad to see Ian Greenwood loosing his seat, tribeal voting at it's worst.[/p][/quote]Tripe. Greenwood was involved in the Odeon's demise for over a decade and regularly made it perfectly clear that, like a lot of the out of touch plonkers in the local Labour group, he didn't give a flying fig about it. He was a major player in the Regen, committee that made some of the worst decisions in Bradford history. Best place for him is in a pub playing fruit machines.koeeoaddiladdi

AntiDrug wrote:
NO MATTER WHO GETS ELECTED, &quot;DO NOT FORGET"
THEY ARE ALL THE SAME
"**** TO THE tax paying people" as long as my back pockets full, THATS THEIR MOTTO, No Matter Who They Are, WE HAD NO RACISM HERE UNTIL THE "ASIANS ARRIVED"
&amp; WE "ALL" KNOW THATS THE WHOLE TRUTH &amp; NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, They Just Please Themselves What They Do, &amp; IF Anybody Says Owt, Guess What, "ITS RACISM",
The Whites Were NEVER Racist To Anybody, NEVER HEARD THE WORD, Before THE ASIANS CAME HERE, We Have Had Every Race You Can Think Of Before THE ASIANS &amp; Never Had A Problem, With Drugs Etc, &amp; Galloway ??
Strange name for an asian??
Wonder Why He Uses, "George"
George Is BRITISH, Always Was, If Your Ancestory Was BRITISH Then You Are,, If Not YOU AINT You Are A Foreigner &amp; Always Will Be, Nothing To Do With Racism
But Mark My Words ITS ONLY GOING TO GET BLACKER

'We had no racism here before the Asians arrived ????' You're either very young or you've been living on a different planet. We ASKED 'Asians' to come here in the first place you plant pot. There's always been racism here (try asking an Irish person, an Italian or a Jamaican) Secondly there's always been drugs here. Why don't you check out what Queen Victoria 'did' for leisure ?

[quote][p][bold]AntiDrug[/bold] wrote:
NO MATTER WHO GETS ELECTED, "DO NOT FORGET"
THEY ARE ALL THE SAME
"**** TO THE tax paying people" as long as my back pockets full, THATS THEIR MOTTO, No Matter Who They Are, WE HAD NO RACISM HERE UNTIL THE "ASIANS ARRIVED"
& WE "ALL" KNOW THATS THE WHOLE TRUTH & NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, They Just Please Themselves What They Do, & IF Anybody Says Owt, Guess What, "ITS RACISM",
The Whites Were NEVER Racist To Anybody, NEVER HEARD THE WORD, Before THE ASIANS CAME HERE, We Have Had Every Race You Can Think Of Before THE ASIANS & Never Had A Problem, With Drugs Etc, & Galloway ??
Strange name for an asian??
Wonder Why He Uses, "George"
George Is BRITISH, Always Was, If Your Ancestory Was BRITISH Then You Are,, If Not YOU AINT You Are A Foreigner & Always Will Be, Nothing To Do With Racism
But Mark My Words ITS ONLY GOING TO GET BLACKER[/p][/quote]'We had no racism here before the Asians arrived ????' You're either very young or you've been living on a different planet. We ASKED 'Asians' to come here in the first place you plant pot. There's always been racism here (try asking an Irish person, an Italian or a Jamaican) Secondly there's always been drugs here. Why don't you check out what Queen Victoria 'did' for leisure ?koeeoaddiladdi

yorkshirepud61 wrote:
Unfortunately Labour has only had 2 years to put right 10 years of Tory mismanagement in Bradford. The Westfield site is a private venture and due to the downturn in the economy we have been left in the lurch, the Odeon again is in private hands and should be demolished,lets get Bradford back on its feet, WITHOUT Galloway he's got his job in Whitehall where will he stand next. Very sad to see Ian Greenwood loosing his seat, tribeal voting at it's worst.

Tripe. Greenwood was involved in the Odeon's demise for over a decade and regularly made it perfectly clear that, like a lot of the out of touch plonkers in the local Labour group, he didn't give a flying fig about it. He was a major player in the Regen, committee that made some of the worst decisions in Bradford history. Best place for him is in a pub playing fruit machines.

if you are going to quote westfield make sure you know what you are talking about. the completion date, you know that means finish/built/up and running don't you? the completion date was BEFORE the recession hit, so don't blame the economic downturn.
koee.. greenwood wanted the odeon demolished right up till 2 weeks before the elections, someone must have pointed out we actually wanted to keep it. grrenwood gone? best news for bradford ever, this is the guy who refused to vote at meeting when the tories got in. took his bat home and only attended the meetings to get his exes and cuppa's. how is that helping bradford, when items were being voted for that went against the grain, yet because he'd taken his bat home he did nothing to scupper tory plans.

[quote][p][bold]koeeoaddiladdi[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]yorkshirepud61[/bold] wrote:
Unfortunately Labour has only had 2 years to put right 10 years of Tory mismanagement in Bradford. The Westfield site is a private venture and due to the downturn in the economy we have been left in the lurch, the Odeon again is in private hands and should be demolished,lets get Bradford back on its feet, WITHOUT Galloway he's got his job in Whitehall where will he stand next. Very sad to see Ian Greenwood loosing his seat, tribeal voting at it's worst.[/p][/quote]Tripe. Greenwood was involved in the Odeon's demise for over a decade and regularly made it perfectly clear that, like a lot of the out of touch plonkers in the local Labour group, he didn't give a flying fig about it. He was a major player in the Regen, committee that made some of the worst decisions in Bradford history. Best place for him is in a pub playing fruit machines.[/p][/quote]if you are going to quote westfield make sure you know what you are talking about. the completion date, you know that means finish/built/up and running don't you? the completion date was BEFORE the recession hit, so don't blame the economic downturn.
koee.. greenwood wanted the odeon demolished right up till 2 weeks before the elections, someone must have pointed out we actually wanted to keep it. grrenwood gone? best news for bradford ever, this is the guy who refused to vote at meeting when the tories got in. took his bat home and only attended the meetings to get his exes and cuppa's. how is that helping bradford, when items were being voted for that went against the grain, yet because he'd taken his bat home he did nothing to scupper tory plans.johnhem

AntiDrug wrote:
NO MATTER WHO GETS ELECTED, &quot;DO NOT FORGET"
THEY ARE ALL THE SAME
"**** TO THE tax paying people" as long as my back pockets full, THATS THEIR MOTTO, No Matter Who They Are, WE HAD NO RACISM HERE UNTIL THE "ASIANS ARRIVED"
&amp; WE "ALL" KNOW THATS THE WHOLE TRUTH &amp; NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, They Just Please Themselves What They Do, &amp; IF Anybody Says Owt, Guess What, "ITS RACISM",
The Whites Were NEVER Racist To Anybody, NEVER HEARD THE WORD, Before THE ASIANS CAME HERE, We Have Had Every Race You Can Think Of Before THE ASIANS &amp; Never Had A Problem, With Drugs Etc, &amp; Galloway ??
Strange name for an asian??
Wonder Why He Uses, "George"
George Is BRITISH, Always Was, If Your Ancestory Was BRITISH Then You Are,, If Not YOU AINT You Are A Foreigner &amp; Always Will Be, Nothing To Do With Racism
But Mark My Words ITS ONLY GOING TO GET BLACKER

'We had no racism here before the Asians arrived ????' You're either very young or you've been living on a different planet. We ASKED 'Asians' to come here in the first place you plant pot. There's always been racism here (try asking an Irish person, an Italian or a Jamaican) Secondly there's always been drugs here. Why don't you check out what Queen Victoria 'did' for leisure ?

Looks Like Your one of them, As stated, Biggoted & Thuggish
Nobody Cried Racism, As An Excuse Until The Asians Came
Take A Look At Your OWN Country, & Who asked them to come here???
But whoever may or May Not Have, WAS a grave mistake
they have now seen the light
& Asking them to go back where they came from, Why Dont You
We all know the answer to that one, Why Dont We Have An Election & Vote On That one, Then We Will Know The True Feelings
But GG Ah Well. Yes he has A Voice, just the same as he has always had, But No Actions On His Fruitless words, He will Get Kicked out Again Like He Always has been, But as long as he gets his back pocket filled, (GREED), then he will try anywhere to get it

You know all about plant pots dont you, You use them regularly Enough
& Did Victoria, Peddle Drugs
To all that were Stupid enough to Buy it ???? NO
But the question is Where will they go to, when theres nothing left for them in this country ???
Answer that one
Money is running out fast, thats why there are so many cut backs
& As Already said It WILL Get worse, No matter how clever You Think You Are, !!!!
you cannot put a pint, in an half pint glass, The British Isles Is over populated Now, Over Flowing, It cannot sustain SS Benefits For ever, & Not Much Longer, Dont you get it ??
Thats why all our industries have gone, Else Where ??
Because The British Isles Is Just Another TITANIC
God Help The Future Of All The Kids Now, There Is NONE
Already Proven Without Any Doubt
And Another Thing, BRING BACK Compulsory Conscription, & See Who Stays Here Then,
& Who's BRITISH

[quote][p][bold]koeeoaddiladdi[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]AntiDrug[/bold] wrote:
NO MATTER WHO GETS ELECTED, "DO NOT FORGET"
THEY ARE ALL THE SAME
"**** TO THE tax paying people" as long as my back pockets full, THATS THEIR MOTTO, No Matter Who They Are, WE HAD NO RACISM HERE UNTIL THE "ASIANS ARRIVED"
& WE "ALL" KNOW THATS THE WHOLE TRUTH & NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, They Just Please Themselves What They Do, & IF Anybody Says Owt, Guess What, "ITS RACISM",
The Whites Were NEVER Racist To Anybody, NEVER HEARD THE WORD, Before THE ASIANS CAME HERE, We Have Had Every Race You Can Think Of Before THE ASIANS & Never Had A Problem, With Drugs Etc, & Galloway ??
Strange name for an asian??
Wonder Why He Uses, "George"
George Is BRITISH, Always Was, If Your Ancestory Was BRITISH Then You Are,, If Not YOU AINT You Are A Foreigner & Always Will Be, Nothing To Do With Racism
But Mark My Words ITS ONLY GOING TO GET BLACKER[/p][/quote]'We had no racism here before the Asians arrived ????' You're either very young or you've been living on a different planet. We ASKED 'Asians' to come here in the first place you plant pot. There's always been racism here (try asking an Irish person, an Italian or a Jamaican) Secondly there's always been drugs here. Why don't you check out what Queen Victoria 'did' for leisure ?[/p][/quote]Looks Like Your one of them, As stated, Biggoted & Thuggish
Nobody Cried Racism, As An Excuse Until The Asians Came
Take A Look At Your OWN Country, & Who asked them to come here???
But whoever may or May Not Have, WAS a grave mistake
they have now seen the light
& Asking them to go back where they came from, Why Dont You
We all know the answer to that one, Why Dont We Have An Election & Vote On That one, Then We Will Know The True Feelings
But GG Ah Well. Yes he has A Voice, just the same as he has always had, But No Actions On His Fruitless words, He will Get Kicked out Again Like He Always has been, But as long as he gets his back pocket filled, (GREED), then he will try anywhere to get it
You know all about plant pots dont you, You use them regularly Enough
& Did Victoria, Peddle Drugs
To all that were Stupid enough to Buy it ???? NO
But the question is Where will they go to, when theres nothing left for them in this country ???
Answer that one
Money is running out fast, thats why there are so many cut backs
& As Already said It WILL Get worse, No matter how clever You Think You Are, !!!!
you cannot put a pint, in an half pint glass, The British Isles Is over populated Now, Over Flowing, It cannot sustain SS Benefits For ever, & Not Much Longer, Dont you get it ??
Thats why all our industries have gone, Else Where ??
Because The British Isles Is Just Another TITANIC
God Help The Future Of All The Kids Now, There Is NONE
Already Proven Without Any Doubt
And Another Thing, BRING BACK Compulsory Conscription, & See Who Stays Here Then,
& Who's BRITISHAntiDrug

koeeoaddiladdi !!!!!!!! ?????
Now you go on about victoria,
Care to explain?? What Drugs did she use ??. Canabis, Maruhana, Coccaine, Where they Needles At Every Corner, Did she Intimidate Young Children At the corner of every street To buy them ?? Ruining their lives Barely out of their Nappies?? Dont Think So !!!!
& you go on about the Jamacans? Yes there was Fractions, But NOT Racism, & Did it take long for them to realise the Wrong, NO they soon intergrated, & The Irish, Well Take a look there, They are Still At It, In Ireland, Trouble Keeps Bubbling, But thankfully It Now Seems to Be Contained There,
Drugs are for the Idiots Who Cannot Cope With Life, & Who Is Taking Advantage Of THEM ??
But al least it Might Help To Reduce the population,
but the fact remains, Where is the Desecration ?? "Middle Eastern Block" Countries Desecrated Every Day, Lives destroyed By What ?? "GREED"
& Dont Think That Your Gods Will Forgive You, THERE IS NO GODS, Only Tin Gods
The thing that Needs to be done is Takle the Problems That Are Here Now, Forget The Past You Will Never Change That, If you dwell on the past Then You Are Living In It, And You Are Losers
Stop The Greed & Drugs, NOW
& Get True Justice Back Ino This Country, As Now The Justice Is Just a Farse & Plays Right Into The Criminal Hand, Act Now Or Be Doomed

koeeoaddiladdi !!!!!!!! ?????
Now you go on about victoria,
Care to explain?? What Drugs did she use ??. Canabis, Maruhana, Coccaine, Where they Needles At Every Corner, Did she Intimidate Young Children At the corner of every street To buy them ?? Ruining their lives Barely out of their Nappies?? Dont Think So !!!!
& you go on about the Jamacans? Yes there was Fractions, But NOT Racism, & Did it take long for them to realise the Wrong, NO they soon intergrated, & The Irish, Well Take a look there, They are Still At It, In Ireland, Trouble Keeps Bubbling, But thankfully It Now Seems to Be Contained There,
Drugs are for the Idiots Who Cannot Cope With Life, & Who Is Taking Advantage Of THEM ??
But al least it Might Help To Reduce the population,
but the fact remains, Where is the Desecration ?? "Middle Eastern Block" Countries Desecrated Every Day, Lives destroyed By What ?? "GREED"
& Dont Think That Your Gods Will Forgive You, THERE IS NO GODS, Only Tin Gods
The thing that Needs to be done is Takle the Problems That Are Here Now, Forget The Past You Will Never Change That, If you dwell on the past Then You Are Living In It, And You Are Losers
Stop The Greed & Drugs, NOW
& Get True Justice Back Ino This Country, As Now The Justice Is Just a Farse & Plays Right Into The Criminal Hand, Act Now Or Be DoomedAntiDrug

AntiDrug,Dont think I have ever read such a load of rubbish as your rambling incoherent posts above.Was going to point out how wrong you are on all your points, but cant really be bothered engaging with you,and giving you more chance to give us more of your ramblings.

AntiDrug,Dont think I have ever read such a load of rubbish as your rambling incoherent posts above.Was going to point out how wrong you are on all your points, but cant really be bothered engaging with you,and giving you more chance to give us more of your ramblings.mark04

mark04 wrote:
AntiDrug,Dont think I have ever read such a load of rubbish as your rambling incoherent posts above.Was going to point out how wrong you are on all your points, but cant really be bothered engaging with you,and giving you more chance to give us more of your ramblings.

Obviously You have not read much, & are as dumb as an ****,
Cannot see wood for the trees, You Dont Like It Because Its True
Most Others Agee With Me
So Put That In Your Pipe & Smoke It

[quote][p][bold]mark04[/bold] wrote:
AntiDrug,Dont think I have ever read such a load of rubbish as your rambling incoherent posts above.Was going to point out how wrong you are on all your points, but cant really be bothered engaging with you,and giving you more chance to give us more of your ramblings.[/p][/quote]Obviously You have not read much, & are as dumb as an ****,
Cannot see wood for the trees, You Dont Like It Because Its True
Most Others Agee With Me
So Put That In Your Pipe & Smoke ItAntiDrug

mark04 Who Asked You Anyway
The thing that Needs to be done is Takle the Problems That Are Here Now, Forget The Past You Will Never Change That,
Saying Thats Not True ??
You Seem To Like The Problems, Thats The Way You Portray Your Self To Our Group
Another Future Less Critic

mark04 Who Asked You Anyway
The thing that Needs to be done is Takle the Problems That Are Here Now, Forget The Past You Will Never Change That,
Saying Thats Not True ??
You Seem To Like The Problems, Thats The Way You Portray Your Self To Our Group
Another Future Less CriticAntiDrug

AntiDrug wrote:
mark04 Who Asked You Anyway
The thing that Needs to be done is Takle the Problems That Are Here Now, Forget The Past You Will Never Change That,
Saying Thats Not True ??
You Seem To Like The Problems, Thats The Way You Portray Your Self To Our Group
Another Future Less Critic

When you post here you are in effect inviting anyone who so chooses to comment or reply.
I did actually agree with much of your post, but it was certainly badly written.

[quote][p][bold]AntiDrug[/bold] wrote:
mark04 Who Asked You Anyway
The thing that Needs to be done is Takle the Problems That Are Here Now, Forget The Past You Will Never Change That,
Saying Thats Not True ??
You Seem To Like The Problems, Thats The Way You Portray Your Self To Our Group
Another Future Less Critic[/p][/quote]When you post here you are in effect inviting anyone who so chooses to comment or reply.
I did actually agree with much of your post, but it was certainly badly written.Albion.

Make Your Mind Up, First You Say I Am Wrong In All The Points, Then Mostly Agre With Them,
Your Quotes::::::Dont think I have ever read such a load of rubbish as your rambling incoherent posts above.Was going to point out how wrong you are on all your points, but cant really be bothered engaging with you,and giving you more chance to give us more of your ramblings.
Dont Quibble On Nit Pickings,
It Only Shows You As Sacastic, Lowest For Of Wit

Make Your Mind Up, First You Say I Am Wrong In All The Points, Then Mostly Agre With Them,
Your Quotes::::::Dont think I have ever read such a load of rubbish as your rambling incoherent posts above.Was going to point out how wrong you are on all your points, but cant really be bothered engaging with you,and giving you more chance to give us more of your ramblings.
Dont Quibble On Nit Pickings,
It Only Shows You As Sacastic, Lowest For Of WitAntiDrug

AntiDrug wrote:
Make Your Mind Up, First You Say I Am Wrong In All The Points, Then Mostly Agre With Them,
Your Quotes::::::Dont think I have ever read such a load of rubbish as your rambling incoherent posts above.Was going to point out how wrong you are on all your points, but cant really be bothered engaging with you,and giving you more chance to give us more of your ramblings.
Dont Quibble On Nit Pickings,
It Only Shows You As Sacastic, Lowest For Of Wit

Are you under the misapprehension here that two of us are actually one person?

[quote][p][bold]AntiDrug[/bold] wrote:
Make Your Mind Up, First You Say I Am Wrong In All The Points, Then Mostly Agre With Them,
Your Quotes::::::Dont think I have ever read such a load of rubbish as your rambling incoherent posts above.Was going to point out how wrong you are on all your points, but cant really be bothered engaging with you,and giving you more chance to give us more of your ramblings.
Dont Quibble On Nit Pickings,
It Only Shows You As Sacastic, Lowest For Of Wit[/p][/quote]Are you under the misapprehension here that two of us are actually one person?Albion.

AntiDrug wrote:
But If You Are Also NIT Picking Then The Same Applies
The Truth Is The Truth, Like It Or Not

You obviously didn't read my post timed at 11:00am.

[quote][p][bold]AntiDrug[/bold] wrote:
But If You Are Also NIT Picking Then The Same Applies
The Truth Is The Truth, Like It Or Not[/p][/quote]You obviously didn't read my post timed at 11:00am.Albion.

AntiDrug wrote:
But If You Are Also NIT Picking Then The Same Applies
The Truth Is The Truth, Like It Or Not

You obviously didn't read my post timed at 11:00am.

Make that 11:20am.

[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]AntiDrug[/bold] wrote:
But If You Are Also NIT Picking Then The Same Applies
The Truth Is The Truth, Like It Or Not[/p][/quote]You obviously didn't read my post timed at 11:00am.[/p][/quote]Make that 11:20am.Albion.

AntiDrug wrote:
Make Your Mind Up, First You Say I Am Wrong In All The Points, Then Mostly Agre With Them,
Your Quotes::::::Dont think I have ever read such a load of rubbish as your rambling incoherent posts above.Was going to point out how wrong you are on all your points, but cant really be bothered engaging with you,and giving you more chance to give us more of your ramblings.
Dont Quibble On Nit Pickings,
It Only Shows You As Sacastic, Lowest For Of Wit

Uncle Drug, just say 'NO'!. Or talk to 'FRANK'. You are a poor advert for all the things you 'appear' to be against. Maybe you could be a bit sort of specific with what you claim is wrong and then be sort of specific about how you think those problems could be resolved?

I thought we were supposed to blame the Jews for everything that was going wrong in the world? That's if we are not blaming Scientists of course or even Politicians. And thank goodness we sorted out those pesky women eh -all them Witches in particular- what would the world have been like if they had gotten a foothold! It's a good job there is 100%, superior, English, heterosexual blood running through your veins Druggy or there would be nobody to keep a look-out for the Gays and Lesbians who are no doubt conspiring to take over the world. Keep up the good work of scapegoating, however, failing to consider that it might actually be YOU that is the 'real problem' with YOUR world may result in your failing to identify the 'root cause' of YOUR problems.

Yours sincerely, a white, English, born and bred, working class, atheist, Bradfordian who's dad worked in the wool mills with Pakistanis who he often described as 'grafters them lads'.

[quote][p][bold]AntiDrug[/bold] wrote:
Make Your Mind Up, First You Say I Am Wrong In All The Points, Then Mostly Agre With Them,
Your Quotes::::::Dont think I have ever read such a load of rubbish as your rambling incoherent posts above.Was going to point out how wrong you are on all your points, but cant really be bothered engaging with you,and giving you more chance to give us more of your ramblings.
Dont Quibble On Nit Pickings,
It Only Shows You As Sacastic, Lowest For Of Wit[/p][/quote]Uncle Drug, just say 'NO'!. Or talk to 'FRANK'. You are a poor advert for all the things you 'appear' to be against. Maybe you could be a bit sort of specific with what you claim is wrong and then be sort of specific about how you think those problems could be resolved?
I thought we were supposed to blame the Jews for everything that was going wrong in the world? That's if we are not blaming Scientists of course or even Politicians. And thank goodness we sorted out those pesky women eh -all them Witches in particular- what would the world have been like if they had gotten a foothold! It's a good job there is 100%, superior, English, heterosexual blood running through your veins Druggy or there would be nobody to keep a look-out for the Gays and Lesbians who are no doubt conspiring to take over the world. Keep up the good work of scapegoating, however, failing to consider that it might actually be YOU that is the 'real problem' with YOUR world may result in your failing to identify the 'root cause' of YOUR problems.
Yours sincerely, a white, English, born and bred, working class, atheist, Bradfordian who's dad worked in the wool mills with Pakistanis who he often described as 'grafters them lads'.lonniejockstrap

Why prove you are so pathetic, Who's Uncle Drug, Who's Frank
& Who Do You Think You Are Calling Me Druggy Dont You Comprehend "ANTIDRUG" Stupid
You Are Not Referring To GG Are You Scapegoating ?? If So You Could be right There
Yours sincerely, a white, English, born and bred, working class,, Bradfordian who's dad worked in the wool mills with Pakistanis who he often described as 'grafters them lads'
So Was I For 55 Years, & Yes we Had "Grafters Them Lads
We are not refering to them
You A Witch That Managed To Escape, ?? Maybe Gay Or Lesbian, Who Knows,
But You Are Living In The Past
Open Your Eyes Its Todays Problems, & Its Not My ruddy Job To Sort It, Seeing You Have been Derogative To Me Personally, I Will send a Report In

Why prove you are so pathetic, Who's Uncle Drug, Who's Frank
& Who Do You Think You Are Calling Me Druggy Dont You Comprehend "ANTIDRUG" Stupid
You Are Not Referring To GG Are You Scapegoating ?? If So You Could be right There
Yours sincerely, a white, English, born and bred, working class,, Bradfordian who's dad worked in the wool mills with Pakistanis who he often described as 'grafters them lads'
So Was I For 55 Years, & Yes we Had "Grafters Them Lads
We are not refering to them
You A Witch That Managed To Escape, ?? Maybe Gay Or Lesbian, Who Knows,
But You Are Living In The Past
Open Your Eyes Its Todays Problems, & Its Not My ruddy Job To Sort It, Seeing You Have been Derogative To Me Personally, I Will send a Report InAntiDrug

Practice is when everything works, but nobody knows why.
Theory is when you know everything, but nothing works.
We have joined practice and theory, nothing works and nobody knows why.
- - - -
When a man’s words do not match his actions it’s more likely that his actions are telling the truth. Is This GG

Practice is when everything works, but nobody knows why.
Theory is when you know everything, but nothing works.
We have joined practice and theory, nothing works and nobody knows why.
- - - -
When a man’s words do not match his actions it’s more likely that his actions are telling the truth. Is This GGAntiDrug

The lib dems been told they weren't welcome in certain areas, people been menaced at the polling station the t@a not even reporting it. When did we lower the british flag and raise the pakistani won. People are very pis***.

The lib dems been told they weren't welcome in certain areas, people been menaced at the polling station the t@a not even reporting it. When did we lower the british flag and raise the pakistani won. People are very pis***.ANY WHERE BUT HERE

ANY WHERE BUT HERE wrote:
The lib dems been told they weren't welcome in certain areas, people been menaced at the polling station the t@a not even reporting it. When did we lower the british flag and raise the pakistani won. People are very pis***.

Who Menaced Them,
The British Flag Wants To Be Put Higher & Everwhere
But Only By The True British
Not By so Called Imigrant British, What Would Happen In Pakistan If There Flag Was Pulled Down, Well Lets Do The Same
Time We Took Back Control Of This Country & Stopped Being To **** Soft, Get Our Lads Back From Afghanistan, Put Them On Our Border, & Let Them Practice Shooting There for a while

[quote][p][bold]ANY WHERE BUT HERE[/bold] wrote:
The lib dems been told they weren't welcome in certain areas, people been menaced at the polling station the t@a not even reporting it. When did we lower the british flag and raise the pakistani won. People are very pis***.[/p][/quote]Who Menaced Them,
The British Flag Wants To Be Put Higher & Everwhere
But Only By The True British
Not By so Called Imigrant British, What Would Happen In Pakistan If There Flag Was Pulled Down, Well Lets Do The Same
Time We Took Back Control Of This Country & Stopped Being To **** Soft, Get Our Lads Back From Afghanistan, Put Them On Our Border, & Let Them Practice Shooting There for a whileAntiDrug

Hello All
I think that we have a 'Troll' , or person who exhibits Troll like tendencies, amongst us.
Therefore I am leaving what was proving to be an interesting Thread.
I hope to 'See' you elsewhere.

'Evenin' all.'

AAA. Not as Happy as I was. Man

Hello All
I think that we have a 'Troll' , or person who exhibits Troll like tendencies, amongst us.
Therefore I am leaving what was proving to be an interesting Thread.
I hope to 'See' you elsewhere.
'Evenin' all.'
AAA. Not as Happy as I was. ManAAA.Happy.Man

AntiDrug wrote:
Why prove you are so pathetic, Who's Uncle Drug, Who's Frank
&amp; Who Do You Think You Are Calling Me Druggy Dont You Comprehend &quot;ANTIDRUG" Stupid
You Are Not Referring To GG Are You Scapegoating ?? If So You Could be right There
Yours sincerely, a white, English, born and bred, working class,, Bradfordian who's dad worked in the wool mills with Pakistanis who he often described as 'grafters them lads'
So Was I For 55 Years, &amp; Yes we Had "Grafters Them Lads
We are not refering to them
You A Witch That Managed To Escape, ?? Maybe Gay Or Lesbian, Who Knows,
But You Are Living In The Past
Open Your Eyes Its Todays Problems, &amp; Its Not My ruddy Job To Sort It, Seeing You Have been Derogative To Me Personally, I Will send a Report In

So who exactly are you 'referring to'? Do you know? If your not referring to those 'grafters' who worked in the mills. Are you referring to those that run their own businesses? Those who work on the buses? in the Taxi trade? Hospitals? University's? Supermarkets? Funeral Parlours? Estate Agents? Stone Masons? Building contractors? Etc. Etc. Etc. You'll have to tell me cos I don't have a clue which scapegoat group of Muslim people you are referring to. It is just Muslims You are against isn't it? If so, which denomination?, Sunni,
Shia, Sufism, Ahmadiyya, Ibadi, Quranists, Yazdânism, Nation of Islam, or are 'they all the same'?

Forgive me but for someone who claims to wants to promote Englishness/Britishn
ess and all that is good about it -and there is a lot- it seems odd that you find 'free speech' something that should be reported as being unacceptable! Do you understand the meaning of the word 'Hypocrite'?

I am very much living in the present I can assure you Uncle Drug. I am a pretty content chappy but if I wasn't I wouldn't blame 1.5 billion Muslims because I had failed to take control of my own circumstances and turned into a sour old finger pointer.

'Ah' but you will no doubt say you are only blaming the Muslims in Bradford for our predicament. If so, what is the reason for the predicament the whole of Europe and America has found itself in? Those Bradford Muslims sure have a lot to answer for eh? Are you inhaling, ingesting or injecting?

[quote][p][bold]AntiDrug[/bold] wrote:
Why prove you are so pathetic, Who's Uncle Drug, Who's Frank
& Who Do You Think You Are Calling Me Druggy Dont You Comprehend "ANTIDRUG" Stupid
You Are Not Referring To GG Are You Scapegoating ?? If So You Could be right There
Yours sincerely, a white, English, born and bred, working class,, Bradfordian who's dad worked in the wool mills with Pakistanis who he often described as 'grafters them lads'
So Was I For 55 Years, & Yes we Had "Grafters Them Lads
We are not refering to them
You A Witch That Managed To Escape, ?? Maybe Gay Or Lesbian, Who Knows,
But You Are Living In The Past
Open Your Eyes Its Todays Problems, & Its Not My ruddy Job To Sort It, Seeing You Have been Derogative To Me Personally, I Will send a Report In[/p][/quote]So who exactly are you 'referring to'? Do you know? If your not referring to those 'grafters' who worked in the mills. Are you referring to those that run their own businesses? Those who work on the buses? in the Taxi trade? Hospitals? University's? Supermarkets? Funeral Parlours? Estate Agents? Stone Masons? Building contractors? Etc. Etc. Etc. You'll have to tell me cos I don't have a clue which scapegoat group of Muslim people you are referring to. It is just Muslims You are against isn't it? If so, which denomination?, Sunni,
Shia, Sufism, Ahmadiyya, Ibadi, Quranists, Yazdânism, Nation of Islam, or are 'they all the same'?
Forgive me but for someone who claims to wants to promote Englishness/Britishn
ess and all that is good about it -and there is a lot- it seems odd that you find 'free speech' something that should be reported as being unacceptable! Do you understand the meaning of the word 'Hypocrite'?
I am very much living in the present I can assure you Uncle Drug. I am a pretty content chappy but if I wasn't I wouldn't blame 1.5 billion Muslims because I had failed to take control of my own circumstances and turned into a sour old finger pointer.
'Ah' but you will no doubt say you are only blaming the Muslims in Bradford for our predicament. If so, what is the reason for the predicament the whole of Europe and America has found itself in? Those Bradford Muslims sure have a lot to answer for eh? Are you inhaling, ingesting or injecting?lonniejockstrap

AntiDrug wrote:
I think that we have a 'Troll' , or person who exhibits Troll like tendencies, amongst us.
Therefore I am leaving what was proving to be an interesting Thread.
I hope to 'See' you elsewhere.

Aw Shucks! ;-)

[quote][p][bold]AntiDrug[/bold] wrote:
I think that we have a 'Troll' , or person who exhibits Troll like tendencies, amongst us.
Therefore I am leaving what was proving to be an interesting Thread.
I hope to 'See' you elsewhere.[/p][/quote]Aw Shucks! ;-)Albion.

AntiDrug wrote:
I think that we have a 'Troll' , or person who exhibits Troll like tendencies, amongst us.
Therefore I am leaving what was proving to be an interesting Thread.
I hope to 'See' you elsewhere.

Aw Shucks! ;-)

Aw Shucks , Very Good
Its Shucking
Bye Bye TROLLS

[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]AntiDrug[/bold] wrote:
I think that we have a 'Troll' , or person who exhibits Troll like tendencies, amongst us.
Therefore I am leaving what was proving to be an interesting Thread.
I hope to 'See' you elsewhere.[/p][/quote]Aw Shucks! ;-)[/p][/quote]Aw Shucks , Very Good
Its Shucking
Bye Bye TROLLSAntiDrug

c-sense wrote:
Ha Ha Ha! AntiDrug you are sheer class pal. Sheer class!
I've no idea what half of your last reply was but that's cool 'cos we live in a democracy and all have a right to an opinion. I respect that our opinions differ.
Sorry about the mis-spells mate.

I think you will find that there many more of them in China and Russia than in England. As for Australia... well you will find that there are about a fifth of the population NOT born in Australia.
Just don't believe everything you read in the tabloids mate. I've met some fantastic asians and some horrible ones. I have also met some fantastic English people and some that make me ashamed to be English.

As for who 'discovered' England. You tell me and i'll prove to you if you are right or wrong.

Who discovered the british isles It Is Written That It was The Greeks,??
& Yes you are right, There are Good And "Unfortunately" Bad In every Creed & Denomination one can List, I have worked in Mills & lots of other Businesses
and found That to be very true
I have Very Good friends from Lots of different Denominations,
All be it the older ones,
& yes maybe there are many more of them in the countries you list, But do they do as they like there?? Very doubtful
It realy does seem that the Generations of today, All of them, Whoever they are, Seem to have this Phobia, that the world owes them all the time
but to do very little themselves to improve anything,
To quote an old saying, Money the root of all evil, well yes it probably is part of it, Then there is religion, another cotradictive Area, But it seems from the year imomorial, That this>>> has always been the same, A big problem >>> "Greed", & to be honest this will always be there Its a Human Failure, & Unfortunately A lot of Humans will not share, They want it all themselves & it will go on until
Until doomsday
Killing & Desecration Of the Human Race, Always has been

[quote][p][bold]c-sense[/bold] wrote:
Ha Ha Ha! AntiDrug you are sheer class pal. Sheer class!
I've no idea what half of your last reply was but that's cool 'cos we live in a democracy and all have a right to an opinion. I respect that our opinions differ.
Sorry about the mis-spells mate.
I think you will find that there many more of them in China and Russia than in England. As for Australia... well you will find that there are about a fifth of the population NOT born in Australia.
Just don't believe everything you read in the tabloids mate. I've met some fantastic asians and some horrible ones. I have also met some fantastic English people and some that make me ashamed to be English.
As for who 'discovered' England. You tell me and i'll prove to you if you are right or wrong.[/p][/quote]Who discovered the british isles It Is Written That It was The Greeks,??
& Yes you are right, There are Good And "Unfortunately" Bad In every Creed & Denomination one can List, I have worked in Mills & lots of other Businesses
and found That to be very true
I have Very Good friends from Lots of different Denominations,
All be it the older ones,
& yes maybe there are many more of them in the countries you list, But do they do as they like there?? Very doubtful
It realy does seem that the Generations of today, All of them, Whoever they are, Seem to have this Phobia, that the world owes them all the time
but to do very little themselves to improve anything,
To quote an old saying, Money the root of all evil, well yes it probably is part of it, Then there is religion, another cotradictive Area, But it seems from the year imomorial, That this>>> has always been the same, A big problem >>> "Greed", & to be honest this will always be there Its a Human Failure, & Unfortunately A lot of Humans will not share, They want it all themselves & it will go on until
Until doomsday
Killing & Desecration Of the Human Race, Always has beenAntiDrug

c-sense wrote:
Ha Ha Ha! AntiDrug you are sheer class pal. Sheer class!
I've no idea what half of your last reply was but that's cool 'cos we live in a democracy and all have a right to an opinion. I respect that our opinions differ.
Sorry about the mis-spells mate.

I think you will find that there many more of them in China and Russia than in England. As for Australia... well you will find that there are about a fifth of the population NOT born in Australia.
Just don't believe everything you read in the tabloids mate. I've met some fantastic asians and some horrible ones. I have also met some fantastic English people and some that make me ashamed to be English.

As for who 'discovered' England. You tell me and i'll prove to you if you are right or wrong.

Who discovered the british isles It Is Written That It was The Greeks,??
&amp; Yes you are right, There are Good And &quot;Unfortunately" Bad In every Creed &amp; Denomination one can List, I have worked in Mills &amp; lots of other Businesses
and found That to be very true
I have Very Good friends from Lots of different Denominations,
All be it the older ones,
&amp; yes maybe there are many more of them in the countries you list, But do they do as they like there?? Very doubtful
It realy does seem that the Generations of today, All of them, Whoever they are, Seem to have this Phobia, that the world owes them all the time
but to do very little themselves to improve anything,
To quote an old saying, Money the root of all evil, well yes it probably is part of it, Then there is religion, another cotradictive Area, But it seems from the year imomorial, That this&gt;&gt;&gt; has always been the same, A big problem &gt;&gt;&gt; "Greed", &amp; to be honest this will always be there Its a Human Failure, &amp; Unfortunately A lot of Humans will not share, They want it all themselves &amp; it will go on until
Until doomsday
Killing &amp; Desecration Of the Human Race, Always has been

This is the longest goodbye since George Foreman first retired.

[quote][p][bold]AntiDrug[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]c-sense[/bold] wrote:
Ha Ha Ha! AntiDrug you are sheer class pal. Sheer class!
I've no idea what half of your last reply was but that's cool 'cos we live in a democracy and all have a right to an opinion. I respect that our opinions differ.
Sorry about the mis-spells mate.
I think you will find that there many more of them in China and Russia than in England. As for Australia... well you will find that there are about a fifth of the population NOT born in Australia.
Just don't believe everything you read in the tabloids mate. I've met some fantastic asians and some horrible ones. I have also met some fantastic English people and some that make me ashamed to be English.
As for who 'discovered' England. You tell me and i'll prove to you if you are right or wrong.[/p][/quote]Who discovered the british isles It Is Written That It was The Greeks,??
& Yes you are right, There are Good And "Unfortunately" Bad In every Creed & Denomination one can List, I have worked in Mills & lots of other Businesses
and found That to be very true
I have Very Good friends from Lots of different Denominations,
All be it the older ones,
& yes maybe there are many more of them in the countries you list, But do they do as they like there?? Very doubtful
It realy does seem that the Generations of today, All of them, Whoever they are, Seem to have this Phobia, that the world owes them all the time
but to do very little themselves to improve anything,
To quote an old saying, Money the root of all evil, well yes it probably is part of it, Then there is religion, another cotradictive Area, But it seems from the year imomorial, That this>>> has always been the same, A big problem >>> "Greed", & to be honest this will always be there Its a Human Failure, & Unfortunately A lot of Humans will not share, They want it all themselves & it will go on until
Until doomsday
Killing & Desecration Of the Human Race, Always has been[/p][/quote]This is the longest goodbye since George Foreman first retired.Albion.

Anti-drug, I think you may have made some valid points and also some rubbish ones, just hard to decipher. I'd consider dropping the anti and partaking in your nemesis, it may even you out a little.

Anti-drug, I think you may have made some valid points and also some rubbish ones, just hard to decipher. I'd consider dropping the anti and partaking in your nemesis, it may even you out a little.Prisoner Cell Block A

c-sense wrote:
Ha Ha Ha! AntiDrug you are sheer class pal. Sheer class!
I've no idea what half of your last reply was but that's cool 'cos we live in a democracy and all have a right to an opinion. I respect that our opinions differ.
Sorry about the mis-spells mate.

I think you will find that there many more of them in China and Russia than in England. As for Australia... well you will find that there are about a fifth of the population NOT born in Australia.
Just don't believe everything you read in the tabloids mate. I've met some fantastic asians and some horrible ones. I have also met some fantastic English people and some that make me ashamed to be English.

As for who 'discovered' England. You tell me and i'll prove to you if you are right or wrong.

Who discovered the british isles It Is Written That It was The Greeks,??
&amp; Yes you are right, There are Good And &quot;Unfortunately" Bad In every Creed &amp; Denomination one can List, I have worked in Mills &amp; lots of other Businesses
and found That to be very true
I have Very Good friends from Lots of different Denominations,
All be it the older ones,
&amp; yes maybe there are many more of them in the countries you list, But do they do as they like there?? Very doubtful
It realy does seem that the Generations of today, All of them, Whoever they are, Seem to have this Phobia, that the world owes them all the time
but to do very little themselves to improve anything,
To quote an old saying, Money the root of all evil, well yes it probably is part of it, Then there is religion, another cotradictive Area, But it seems from the year imomorial, That this&gt;&gt;&gt; has always been the same, A big problem &gt;&gt;&gt; "Greed", &amp; to be honest this will always be there Its a Human Failure, &amp; Unfortunately A lot of Humans will not share, They want it all themselves &amp; it will go on until
Until doomsday
Killing &amp; Desecration Of the Human Race, Always has been

Well you do seem to be talking more sense in this post than your earlier ones(I think).And most people i would guess might agree,and I would be pleased if you now agree that the problems of Bradford are not all caused by British born Asian folk, who are just trying to live their lives as best they can, like the rest of us.

[quote][p][bold]AntiDrug[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]c-sense[/bold] wrote:
Ha Ha Ha! AntiDrug you are sheer class pal. Sheer class!
I've no idea what half of your last reply was but that's cool 'cos we live in a democracy and all have a right to an opinion. I respect that our opinions differ.
Sorry about the mis-spells mate.
I think you will find that there many more of them in China and Russia than in England. As for Australia... well you will find that there are about a fifth of the population NOT born in Australia.
Just don't believe everything you read in the tabloids mate. I've met some fantastic asians and some horrible ones. I have also met some fantastic English people and some that make me ashamed to be English.
As for who 'discovered' England. You tell me and i'll prove to you if you are right or wrong.[/p][/quote]Who discovered the british isles It Is Written That It was The Greeks,??
& Yes you are right, There are Good And "Unfortunately" Bad In every Creed & Denomination one can List, I have worked in Mills & lots of other Businesses
and found That to be very true
I have Very Good friends from Lots of different Denominations,
All be it the older ones,
& yes maybe there are many more of them in the countries you list, But do they do as they like there?? Very doubtful
It realy does seem that the Generations of today, All of them, Whoever they are, Seem to have this Phobia, that the world owes them all the time
but to do very little themselves to improve anything,
To quote an old saying, Money the root of all evil, well yes it probably is part of it, Then there is religion, another cotradictive Area, But it seems from the year imomorial, That this>>> has always been the same, A big problem >>> "Greed", & to be honest this will always be there Its a Human Failure, & Unfortunately A lot of Humans will not share, They want it all themselves & it will go on until
Until doomsday
Killing & Desecration Of the Human Race, Always has been[/p][/quote]Well you do seem to be talking more sense in this post than your earlier ones(I think).And most people i would guess might agree,and I would be pleased if you now agree that the problems of Bradford are not all caused by British born Asian folk, who are just trying to live their lives as best they can, like the rest of us.mark04

As i said there are Good & Bad In Every Race & Denominations Including the Whites
Just to point out We rent From An Asian Chap, Who Is Very Nice & Socialbe No Problems, before he offered us the house He had Some Asians living here
He said he was glad to get rid of them, they trashed the place, Lots of damage Etc, He had the place totally Refurbished & Decorated & Thoroughly Cleaned , He asked if we would like it, As He Knew Us to be Good Tenants, We Agreed to This & We are very happy & So Is he, He has visited us & remarked he is very happy With
How we look after the place, & hopes we stop for long term
This is the Second Rent We Have Had From An Asian, Who It Has Been A Pleasure To Have Met Them 2, But We Have Had Some Very Bad Experiances aswell, So As We Say There Are Good & Bad In Every Race
I would be pleased if you now agree that the problems of Bradford are not all caused by British born Asian folk, who are just trying to live their lives as best they can, like the rest of us.The Answer to your Question Is NO, The problems are not all Asian, There are other Denominations Who Cause Problems Including Whites,
Not Just In Bradford, But Many Other Towns And Cities
I Think The Answer Is To Intergrate & Lets Get The Whole Communities Together In Harmony

As i said there are Good & Bad In Every Race & Denominations Including the Whites
Just to point out We rent From An Asian Chap, Who Is Very Nice & Socialbe No Problems, before he offered us the house He had Some Asians living here
He said he was glad to get rid of them, they trashed the place, Lots of damage Etc, He had the place totally Refurbished & Decorated & Thoroughly Cleaned , He asked if we would like it, As He Knew Us to be Good Tenants, We Agreed to This & We are very happy & So Is he, He has visited us & remarked he is very happy With
How we look after the place, & hopes we stop for long term
This is the Second Rent We Have Had From An Asian, Who It Has Been A Pleasure To Have Met Them 2, But We Have Had Some Very Bad Experiances aswell, So As We Say There Are Good & Bad In Every Race
I would be pleased if you now agree that the problems of Bradford are not all caused by British born Asian folk, who are just trying to live their lives as best they can, like the rest of us.The Answer to your Question Is NO, The problems are not all Asian, There are other Denominations Who Cause Problems Including Whites,
Not Just In Bradford, But Many Other Towns And Cities
I Think The Answer Is To Intergrate & Lets Get The Whole Communities Together In HarmonyAntiDrug

AntiDrug wrote:
As i said there are Good &amp; Bad In Every Race &amp; Denominations Including the Whites
Just to point out We rent From An Asian Chap, Who Is Very Nice &amp; Socialbe No Problems, before he offered us the house He had Some Asians living here
He said he was glad to get rid of them, they trashed the place, Lots of damage Etc, He had the place totally Refurbished &amp; Decorated &amp; Thoroughly Cleaned , He asked if we would like it, As He Knew Us to be Good Tenants, We Agreed to This &amp; We are very happy &amp; So Is he, He has visited us &amp; remarked he is very happy With
How we look after the place, &amp; hopes we stop for long term
This is the Second Rent We Have Had From An Asian, Who It Has Been A Pleasure To Have Met Them 2, But We Have Had Some Very Bad Experiances aswell, So As We Say There Are Good &amp; Bad In Every Race
I would be pleased if you now agree that the problems of Bradford are not all caused by British born Asian folk, who are just trying to live their lives as best they can, like the rest of us.The Answer to your Question Is NO, The problems are not all Asian, There are other Denominations Who Cause Problems Including Whites,
Not Just In Bradford, But Many Other Towns And Cities
I Think The Answer Is To Intergrate &amp; Lets Get The Whole Communities Together In Harmony

Well totally agree with that,just wish you had said all that earlier
instead of the rather different views you expressed in your posts previously.

[quote][p][bold]AntiDrug[/bold] wrote:
As i said there are Good & Bad In Every Race & Denominations Including the Whites
Just to point out We rent From An Asian Chap, Who Is Very Nice & Socialbe No Problems, before he offered us the house He had Some Asians living here
He said he was glad to get rid of them, they trashed the place, Lots of damage Etc, He had the place totally Refurbished & Decorated & Thoroughly Cleaned , He asked if we would like it, As He Knew Us to be Good Tenants, We Agreed to This & We are very happy & So Is he, He has visited us & remarked he is very happy With
How we look after the place, & hopes we stop for long term
This is the Second Rent We Have Had From An Asian, Who It Has Been A Pleasure To Have Met Them 2, But We Have Had Some Very Bad Experiances aswell, So As We Say There Are Good & Bad In Every Race
I would be pleased if you now agree that the problems of Bradford are not all caused by British born Asian folk, who are just trying to live their lives as best they can, like the rest of us.The Answer to your Question Is NO, The problems are not all Asian, There are other Denominations Who Cause Problems Including Whites,
Not Just In Bradford, But Many Other Towns And Cities
I Think The Answer Is To Intergrate & Lets Get The Whole Communities Together In Harmony[/p][/quote]Well totally agree with that,just wish you had said all that earlier
instead of the rather different views you expressed in your posts previously.mark04

AntiDrug wrote:
As i said there are Good &amp; Bad In Every Race &amp; Denominations Including the Whites
Just to point out We rent From An Asian Chap, Who Is Very Nice &amp; Socialbe No Problems, before he offered us the house He had Some Asians living here
He said he was glad to get rid of them, they trashed the place, Lots of damage Etc, He had the place totally Refurbished &amp; Decorated &amp; Thoroughly Cleaned , He asked if we would like it, As He Knew Us to be Good Tenants, We Agreed to This &amp; We are very happy &amp; So Is he, He has visited us &amp; remarked he is very happy With
How we look after the place, &amp; hopes we stop for long term
This is the Second Rent We Have Had From An Asian, Who It Has Been A Pleasure To Have Met Them 2, But We Have Had Some Very Bad Experiances aswell, So As We Say There Are Good &amp; Bad In Every Race
I would be pleased if you now agree that the problems of Bradford are not all caused by British born Asian folk, who are just trying to live their lives as best they can, like the rest of us.The Answer to your Question Is NO, The problems are not all Asian, There are other Denominations Who Cause Problems Including Whites,
Not Just In Bradford, But Many Other Towns And Cities
I Think The Answer Is To Intergrate &amp; Lets Get The Whole Communities Together In Harmony

You have told us nothing other than you seem completely unclear as to what you are trying to say. You've just spent a load of time in the most shambolic form of communication I can ever recall experiencing, trying to tell us something we already knew! That there is good and bad in every race, creed, colour, religion, nationality, gender. Why spend half your posts making childish, pathetic digs at other posters only to end up doing a 180 degree change from your original direction? 'Now the Drugs don't work they just make you worse but I know I'll see your face again'

[quote][p][bold]AntiDrug[/bold] wrote:
As i said there are Good & Bad In Every Race & Denominations Including the Whites
Just to point out We rent From An Asian Chap, Who Is Very Nice & Socialbe No Problems, before he offered us the house He had Some Asians living here
He said he was glad to get rid of them, they trashed the place, Lots of damage Etc, He had the place totally Refurbished & Decorated & Thoroughly Cleaned , He asked if we would like it, As He Knew Us to be Good Tenants, We Agreed to This & We are very happy & So Is he, He has visited us & remarked he is very happy With
How we look after the place, & hopes we stop for long term
This is the Second Rent We Have Had From An Asian, Who It Has Been A Pleasure To Have Met Them 2, But We Have Had Some Very Bad Experiances aswell, So As We Say There Are Good & Bad In Every Race
I would be pleased if you now agree that the problems of Bradford are not all caused by British born Asian folk, who are just trying to live their lives as best they can, like the rest of us.The Answer to your Question Is NO, The problems are not all Asian, There are other Denominations Who Cause Problems Including Whites,
Not Just In Bradford, But Many Other Towns And Cities
I Think The Answer Is To Intergrate & Lets Get The Whole Communities Together In Harmony[/p][/quote]You have told us nothing other than you seem completely unclear as to what you are trying to say. You've just spent a load of time in the most shambolic form of communication I can ever recall experiencing, trying to tell us something we already knew! That there is good and bad in every race, creed, colour, religion, nationality, gender. Why spend half your posts making childish, pathetic digs at other posters only to end up doing a 180 degree change from your original direction? 'Now the Drugs don't work they just make you worse but I know I'll see your face again'lonniejockstrap

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Anti-drug, I think you may have made some valid points and also some rubbish ones, just hard to decipher. I'd consider dropping the anti and partaking in your nemesis, it may even you out a little.

Yup, roll a fat one....

[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote:
Anti-drug, I think you may have made some valid points and also some rubbish ones, just hard to decipher. I'd consider dropping the anti and partaking in your nemesis, it may even you out a little.[/p][/quote]Yup, roll a fat one....a reasonable sort of chap

Some of you are so nieve, & dont understand the word "ANTIDRUG" It means tottaly Against, You Plonkers
It is very clear that the ones who continualy Demise people on these threads ARE they ones Who know ALL About drugs
& Plainly make others Know that they are the druggies
to reiterate "ANTIDRUG" Tottaly Against, So Bye You Trolls
Case Closed Thread Closed
Mumble on to your hearts content, Case / Thread Closed
To you time wasters

Some of you are so nieve, & dont understand the word "ANTIDRUG" It means tottaly Against, You Plonkers
It is very clear that the ones who continualy Demise people on these threads ARE they ones Who know ALL About drugs
& Plainly make others Know that they are the druggies
to reiterate "ANTIDRUG" Tottaly Against, So Bye You Trolls
Case Closed Thread Closed
Mumble on to your hearts content, Case / Thread Closed
To you time wastersAntiDrug

Some of you are so nieve, & dont understand the word "ANTIDRUG" It means tottaly Against, You Plonkers
It is very clear that the ones who continualy Demise people on these threads ARE they ones Who know ALL About drugs
& Plainly make others Know that they are the druggies
to reiterate "ANTIDRUG" Tottaly Against, So Bye You Trolls
Case Closed Thread Closed
Mumble on to your hearts content, Case / Thread Closed
To you time wasters

Some of you are so nieve, & dont understand the word "ANTIDRUG" It means tottaly Against, You Plonkers
It is very clear that the ones who continualy Demise people on these threads ARE they ones Who know ALL About drugs
& Plainly make others Know that they are the druggies
to reiterate "ANTIDRUG" Tottaly Against, So Bye You Trolls
Case Closed Thread Closed
Mumble on to your hearts content, Case / Thread Closed
To you time wastersAntiDrug

AntiDrug wrote:
Some of you are so nieve, &amp; dont understand the word &quot;ANTIDRUG" It means tottaly Against, You Plonkers
It is very clear that the ones who continualy Demise people on these threads ARE they ones Who know ALL About drugs
&amp; Plainly make others Know that they are the druggies
to reiterate "ANTIDRUG" Tottaly Against, So Bye You Trolls
Case Closed Thread Closed
Mumble on to your hearts content, Case / Thread Closed
To you time wasters

Oh right, thanks for clearing that up. So presumably you don't consume alcohol or caffeine, as they are drugs?

[quote][p][bold]AntiDrug[/bold] wrote:
Some of you are so nieve, & dont understand the word "ANTIDRUG" It means tottaly Against, You Plonkers
It is very clear that the ones who continualy Demise people on these threads ARE they ones Who know ALL About drugs
& Plainly make others Know that they are the druggies
to reiterate "ANTIDRUG" Tottaly Against, So Bye You Trolls
Case Closed Thread Closed
Mumble on to your hearts content, Case / Thread Closed
To you time wasters[/p][/quote]Oh right, thanks for clearing that up. So presumably you don't consume alcohol or caffeine, as they are drugs?a reasonable sort of chap

AntiDrug wrote:
Some of you are so nieve, &amp; dont understand the word &quot;ANTIDRUG" It means tottaly Against, You Plonkers
It is very clear that the ones who continualy Demise people on these threads ARE they ones Who know ALL About drugs
&amp; Plainly make others Know that they are the druggies
to reiterate "ANTIDRUG" Tottaly Against, So Bye You Trolls
Case Closed Thread Closed
Mumble on to your hearts content, Case / Thread Closed
To you time wasters

Bye, and try to cut down on your drug use cos it's totally wrecked your cognition. The sooner you accept your an addict the sooner you will be on the road to recovery.

[quote][p][bold]AntiDrug[/bold] wrote:
Some of you are so nieve, & dont understand the word "ANTIDRUG" It means tottaly Against, You Plonkers
It is very clear that the ones who continualy Demise people on these threads ARE they ones Who know ALL About drugs
& Plainly make others Know that they are the druggies
to reiterate "ANTIDRUG" Tottaly Against, So Bye You Trolls
Case Closed Thread Closed
Mumble on to your hearts content, Case / Thread Closed
To you time wasters[/p][/quote]Bye, and try to cut down on your drug use cos it's totally wrecked your cognition. The sooner you accept your an addict the sooner you will be on the road to recovery.lonniejockstrap

AntiDrug wrote:
Some of you are so nieve, &amp; dont understand the word &quot;ANTIDRUG" It means tottaly Against, You Plonkers
It is very clear that the ones who continualy Demise people on these threads ARE they ones Who know ALL About drugs
&amp; Plainly make others Know that they are the druggies
to reiterate "ANTIDRUG" Tottaly Against, So Bye You Trolls
Case Closed Thread Closed
Mumble on to your hearts content, Case / Thread Closed
To you time wasters

Bye, and try to cut down on your drug use cos it's totally wrecked your cognition. The sooner you accept your an addict the sooner you will be on the road to recovery.

I especially enjoyed the bit about your handle being wrong lonnie. It shouldn't be jockstrap it should be jockstrap cos you talk like something has comeout of a JOCKSTRAP.

PS,
It isn't shaun is it?

[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]AntiDrug[/bold] wrote:
Some of you are so nieve, & dont understand the word "ANTIDRUG" It means tottaly Against, You Plonkers
It is very clear that the ones who continualy Demise people on these threads ARE they ones Who know ALL About drugs
& Plainly make others Know that they are the druggies
to reiterate "ANTIDRUG" Tottaly Against, So Bye You Trolls
Case Closed Thread Closed
Mumble on to your hearts content, Case / Thread Closed
To you time wasters[/p][/quote]Bye, and try to cut down on your drug use cos it's totally wrecked your cognition. The sooner you accept your an addict the sooner you will be on the road to recovery.[/p][/quote]I especially enjoyed the bit about your handle being wrong lonnie. It shouldn't be jockstrap it should be jockstrap cos you talk like something has comeout of a JOCKSTRAP.
PS,
It isn't shaun is it?Prisoner Cell Block A

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Anti-drug, I think you may have made some valid points and also some rubbish ones, just hard to decipher. I'd consider dropping the anti and partaking in your nemesis, it may even you out a little.

Yup, roll a fat one....

You knows it.

People like this surely need to, the guy is whacked out. Needs calming and reassuring everything will be ok.

Phew, it has made some of the most difficult reading and comprehension I have ever had the misfortune to come across on these pages and that takes some doing considering some of the numpties that do post.

[quote][p][bold]a reasonable sort of chap[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote:
Anti-drug, I think you may have made some valid points and also some rubbish ones, just hard to decipher. I'd consider dropping the anti and partaking in your nemesis, it may even you out a little.[/p][/quote]Yup, roll a fat one....[/p][/quote]You knows it.
People like this surely need to, the guy is whacked out. Needs calming and reassuring everything will be ok.
Phew, it has made some of the most difficult reading and comprehension I have ever had the misfortune to come across on these pages and that takes some doing considering some of the numpties that do post.Prisoner Cell Block A

AntiDrug wrote:
Some of you are so nieve, &amp; dont understand the word &quot;ANTIDRUG" It means tottaly Against, You Plonkers
It is very clear that the ones who continualy Demise people on these threads ARE they ones Who know ALL About drugs
&amp; Plainly make others Know that they are the druggies
to reiterate "ANTIDRUG" Tottaly Against, So Bye You Trolls
Case Closed Thread Closed
Mumble on to your hearts content, Case / Thread Closed
To you time wasters

Bye, and try to cut down on your drug use cos it's totally wrecked your cognition. The sooner you accept your an addict the sooner you will be on the road to recovery.

I especially enjoyed the bit about your handle being wrong lonnie. It shouldn't be jockstrap it should be jockstrap cos you talk like something has comeout of a JOCKSTRAP.

PS,
It isn't shaun is it?

I think you got that slightly wrong.

[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]AntiDrug[/bold] wrote:
Some of you are so nieve, & dont understand the word "ANTIDRUG" It means tottaly Against, You Plonkers
It is very clear that the ones who continualy Demise people on these threads ARE they ones Who know ALL About drugs
& Plainly make others Know that they are the druggies
to reiterate "ANTIDRUG" Tottaly Against, So Bye You Trolls
Case Closed Thread Closed
Mumble on to your hearts content, Case / Thread Closed
To you time wasters[/p][/quote]Bye, and try to cut down on your drug use cos it's totally wrecked your cognition. The sooner you accept your an addict the sooner you will be on the road to recovery.[/p][/quote]I especially enjoyed the bit about your handle being wrong lonnie. It shouldn't be jockstrap it should be jockstrap cos you talk like something has comeout of a JOCKSTRAP.
PS,
It isn't shaun is it?[/p][/quote]I think you got that slightly wrong.Albion.

AntiDrug wrote:
We Aint Bradfordians But We Can Plainly See What **** It Has From People Like You
Sorry You Aint A Person, Your A TROLL
Guttersnipe
Regards From Leicester

Yep, your living proof that evolution can work in reverse. Pity poor Leicester.

[quote][p][bold]AntiDrug[/bold] wrote:
We Aint Bradfordians But We Can Plainly See What **** It Has From People Like You
Sorry You Aint A Person, Your A TROLL
Guttersnipe
Regards From Leicester[/p][/quote]Yep, your living proof that evolution can work in reverse. Pity poor Leicester.lonniejockstrap

AntiDrug wrote:
Some of you are so nieve, &amp; dont understand the word &quot;ANTIDRUG" It means tottaly Against, You Plonkers
It is very clear that the ones who continualy Demise people on these threads ARE they ones Who know ALL About drugs
&amp; Plainly make others Know that they are the druggies
to reiterate "ANTIDRUG" Tottaly Against, So Bye You Trolls
Case Closed Thread Closed
Mumble on to your hearts content, Case / Thread Closed
To you time wasters

Bye, and try to cut down on your drug use cos it's totally wrecked your cognition. The sooner you accept your an addict the sooner you will be on the road to recovery.

I especially enjoyed the bit about your handle being wrong lonnie. It shouldn't be jockstrap it should be jockstrap cos you talk like something has comeout of a JOCKSTRAP.

PS,
It isn't shaun is it?

I think you got that slightly wrong.

Hardly surprising, I still don't know what was trying to be said.

[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]AntiDrug[/bold] wrote:
Some of you are so nieve, & dont understand the word "ANTIDRUG" It means tottaly Against, You Plonkers
It is very clear that the ones who continualy Demise people on these threads ARE they ones Who know ALL About drugs
& Plainly make others Know that they are the druggies
to reiterate "ANTIDRUG" Tottaly Against, So Bye You Trolls
Case Closed Thread Closed
Mumble on to your hearts content, Case / Thread Closed
To you time wasters[/p][/quote]Bye, and try to cut down on your drug use cos it's totally wrecked your cognition. The sooner you accept your an addict the sooner you will be on the road to recovery.[/p][/quote]I especially enjoyed the bit about your handle being wrong lonnie. It shouldn't be jockstrap it should be jockstrap cos you talk like something has comeout of a JOCKSTRAP.
PS,
It isn't shaun is it?[/p][/quote]I think you got that slightly wrong.[/p][/quote]Hardly surprising, I still don't know what was trying to be said.Prisoner Cell Block A

AntiDrug wrote:
Some of you are so nieve, &amp; dont understand the word &quot;ANTIDRUG" It means tottaly Against, You Plonkers
It is very clear that the ones who continualy Demise people on these threads ARE they ones Who know ALL About drugs
&amp; Plainly make others Know that they are the druggies
to reiterate "ANTIDRUG" Tottaly Against, So Bye You Trolls
Case Closed Thread Closed
Mumble on to your hearts content, Case / Thread Closed
To you time wasters

Bye, and try to cut down on your drug use cos it's totally wrecked your cognition. The sooner you accept your an addict the sooner you will be on the road to recovery.

I especially enjoyed the bit about your handle being wrong lonnie. It shouldn't be jockstrap it should be jockstrap cos you talk like something has comeout of a JOCKSTRAP.

PS,
It isn't shaun is it?

I think you got that slightly wrong.

Hardly surprising, I still don't know what was trying to be said.

I think he/she is saying if you want to get a 'high' then sniff a jockstrap? Errrr! Anyway I had a word with FRANK and I think I'll 'just say NO!' and give that one a body swerve. (Call me old fashioned but I can't see there being much peer pressure to try that idea)

[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]AntiDrug[/bold] wrote:
Some of you are so nieve, & dont understand the word "ANTIDRUG" It means tottaly Against, You Plonkers
It is very clear that the ones who continualy Demise people on these threads ARE they ones Who know ALL About drugs
& Plainly make others Know that they are the druggies
to reiterate "ANTIDRUG" Tottaly Against, So Bye You Trolls
Case Closed Thread Closed
Mumble on to your hearts content, Case / Thread Closed
To you time wasters[/p][/quote]Bye, and try to cut down on your drug use cos it's totally wrecked your cognition. The sooner you accept your an addict the sooner you will be on the road to recovery.[/p][/quote]I especially enjoyed the bit about your handle being wrong lonnie. It shouldn't be jockstrap it should be jockstrap cos you talk like something has comeout of a JOCKSTRAP.
PS,
It isn't shaun is it?[/p][/quote]I think you got that slightly wrong.[/p][/quote]Hardly surprising, I still don't know what was trying to be said.[/p][/quote]I think he/she is saying if you want to get a 'high' then sniff a jockstrap? Errrr! Anyway I had a word with FRANK and I think I'll 'just say NO!' and give that one a body swerve. (Call me old fashioned but I can't see there being much peer pressure to try that idea)lonniejockstrap

AntiDrug wrote:
Some of you are so nieve, &amp; dont understand the word &quot;ANTIDRUG" It means tottaly Against, You Plonkers
It is very clear that the ones who continualy Demise people on these threads ARE they ones Who know ALL About drugs
&amp; Plainly make others Know that they are the druggies
to reiterate "ANTIDRUG" Tottaly Against, So Bye You Trolls
Case Closed Thread Closed
Mumble on to your hearts content, Case / Thread Closed
To you time wasters

Bye, and try to cut down on your drug use cos it's totally wrecked your cognition. The sooner you accept your an addict the sooner you will be on the road to recovery.

I especially enjoyed the bit about your handle being wrong lonnie. It shouldn't be jockstrap it should be jockstrap cos you talk like something has comeout of a JOCKSTRAP.

PS,
It isn't shaun is it?

I think you got that slightly wrong.

Hardly surprising, I still don't know what was trying to be said.

I think he/she is saying if you want to get a 'high' then sniff a jockstrap? Errrr! Anyway I had a word with FRANK and I think I'll 'just say NO!' and give that one a body swerve. (Call me old fashioned but I can't see there being much peer pressure to try that idea)

Ahhhhh, enlightenment at last.

My youngest once deleved into the FIltronic cricket kit bag and promptly pulled out a box and used it as a mask. Never been the same since, there may just be something in it, and not total boll**

[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]AntiDrug[/bold] wrote:
Some of you are so nieve, & dont understand the word "ANTIDRUG" It means tottaly Against, You Plonkers
It is very clear that the ones who continualy Demise people on these threads ARE they ones Who know ALL About drugs
& Plainly make others Know that they are the druggies
to reiterate "ANTIDRUG" Tottaly Against, So Bye You Trolls
Case Closed Thread Closed
Mumble on to your hearts content, Case / Thread Closed
To you time wasters[/p][/quote]Bye, and try to cut down on your drug use cos it's totally wrecked your cognition. The sooner you accept your an addict the sooner you will be on the road to recovery.[/p][/quote]I especially enjoyed the bit about your handle being wrong lonnie. It shouldn't be jockstrap it should be jockstrap cos you talk like something has comeout of a JOCKSTRAP.
PS,
It isn't shaun is it?[/p][/quote]I think you got that slightly wrong.[/p][/quote]Hardly surprising, I still don't know what was trying to be said.[/p][/quote]I think he/she is saying if you want to get a 'high' then sniff a jockstrap? Errrr! Anyway I had a word with FRANK and I think I'll 'just say NO!' and give that one a body swerve. (Call me old fashioned but I can't see there being much peer pressure to try that idea)[/p][/quote]Ahhhhh, enlightenment at last.
My youngest once deleved into the FIltronic cricket kit bag and promptly pulled out a box and used it as a mask. Never been the same since, there may just be something in it, and not total boll**Prisoner Cell Block A

AntiDrug wrote:
Some of you are so nieve, &amp; dont understand the word &quot;ANTIDRUG" It means tottaly Against, You Plonkers
It is very clear that the ones who continualy Demise people on these threads ARE they ones Who know ALL About drugs
&amp; Plainly make others Know that they are the druggies
to reiterate "ANTIDRUG" Tottaly Against, So Bye You Trolls
Case Closed Thread Closed
Mumble on to your hearts content, Case / Thread Closed
To you time wasters

Bye, and try to cut down on your drug use cos it's totally wrecked your cognition. The sooner you accept your an addict the sooner you will be on the road to recovery.

I especially enjoyed the bit about your handle being wrong lonnie. It shouldn't be jockstrap it should be jockstrap cos you talk like something has comeout of a JOCKSTRAP.

PS,
It isn't shaun is it?

I think you got that slightly wrong.

Hardly surprising, I still don't know what was trying to be said.

I think he/she is saying if you want to get a 'high' then sniff a jockstrap? Errrr! Anyway I had a word with FRANK and I think I'll 'just say NO!' and give that one a body swerve. (Call me old fashioned but I can't see there being much peer pressure to try that idea)

Ahhhhh, enlightenment at last.

My youngest once deleved into the FIltronic cricket kit bag and promptly pulled out a box and used it as a mask. Never been the same since, there may just be something in it, and not total boll**

Lol, it's obviously more common than I was aware and I'll hold my hand up, maybe I was too quick to dismiss! What's that saying: 'don't knock it till you've tried it'.

[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]AntiDrug[/bold] wrote:
Some of you are so nieve, & dont understand the word "ANTIDRUG" It means tottaly Against, You Plonkers
It is very clear that the ones who continualy Demise people on these threads ARE they ones Who know ALL About drugs
& Plainly make others Know that they are the druggies
to reiterate "ANTIDRUG" Tottaly Against, So Bye You Trolls
Case Closed Thread Closed
Mumble on to your hearts content, Case / Thread Closed
To you time wasters[/p][/quote]Bye, and try to cut down on your drug use cos it's totally wrecked your cognition. The sooner you accept your an addict the sooner you will be on the road to recovery.[/p][/quote]I especially enjoyed the bit about your handle being wrong lonnie. It shouldn't be jockstrap it should be jockstrap cos you talk like something has comeout of a JOCKSTRAP.
PS,
It isn't shaun is it?[/p][/quote]I think you got that slightly wrong.[/p][/quote]Hardly surprising, I still don't know what was trying to be said.[/p][/quote]I think he/she is saying if you want to get a 'high' then sniff a jockstrap? Errrr! Anyway I had a word with FRANK and I think I'll 'just say NO!' and give that one a body swerve. (Call me old fashioned but I can't see there being much peer pressure to try that idea)[/p][/quote]Ahhhhh, enlightenment at last.
My youngest once deleved into the FIltronic cricket kit bag and promptly pulled out a box and used it as a mask. Never been the same since, there may just be something in it, and not total boll**[/p][/quote]Lol, it's obviously more common than I was aware and I'll hold my hand up, maybe I was too quick to dismiss! What's that saying: 'don't knock it till you've tried it'.lonniejockstrap