Wednesday, October 5, 2016

The opportunity to play on the weekends has been increasing
lately – I suppose my wife is nervous about paying for my son’s upcoming Bar
Mitzvah, so she’s been “agreeing” to send me out to play.Effectively, I feel like she’s my pimp and I
have to bring her back some moneys or she smacks me around a bit…Maybe that’s what I tell myself – maybe she
just doesn’t want me around all that much…That notwithstanding, I find myself at the ‘Shoe late on a Friday night.

Things are break-even for the first hour or so when I see my
favorite ATM machine walk in the door with her boyfriend.A little background on the girl: she’s very
loose preflop, and has an ego problem where she’ll rarely lay down a hand in
spite of action that says she’s beat.It’s
almost comical; she pays off every. single. time.Her boyfriend plays more conservatively, but
I’d rate him as around average; capable of making a move from time to time, but
mostly ABC.He just watches her dump
money, and continually replenishes her with additional buy-ins.

So, I see them walk in, and immediately request a table
change to their table – a new table.Yes.I’m a bum hunter in this
case.I have my few favorites who I will
bum hunt and they are certainly on my hit list.So, I sit down at the table and fold a few hands (an orbit or two) as I
get the lay of the land.I immediately take
note of the hyper aggro guy to my right, raising (and raising big) almost every
hand, playing hard post flop & usually taking down the hand before
showdown.It seems he hasn’t run into
any powerhouses, so he’s getting away with it.

So, aforementioned dude opens UTG+1 to $20.I look down and see JJ.I 3bet to $60.Everyone else folds and he snap calls.Flop is A Q 8 dd (around the worst flop
EVER!).He checks and I lead for $45 (he
has a bit over $100 behind – maybe $160.He beats me to the pot with his call, acting very nervously.Strange.Turn is a blank – maybe a 3.He
checks.I decide to check.River is another blank – 2?5?This time, he thinks for a long time and sloppily shoves his chips while
saying “all in.”WTF – around $110 or so…?He’s stoic, sitting back in his chair and not
saying anything and not moving.I try to
piece all of this together, and come to the conclusion that my turn check
showed him weakness so he thinks he can push me off my hand.I’m not really concerned about the Ace, but I’m
concerned he has a hand like QJ or QT and turned his Qx into a bluff.This kind of player doesn’t really think
about what he’s doing or why; just acts on impulse.I eventually make the sighing call and
wait.He’s still in his chair after the
dealer says I called.He waits for a
good 30 seconds and flips over KT for the missed gutter.I flip my JJ for the winner and say nothing.I scoop and flip the dealer 4 white chips.

My aggro is visibly shaken – angry almost – and asks how
much he can buy in for – he wants to get $1000.The dealer says $300 max and he buys $300 or so.After a hand or two, I ask him if he’s
waiting for the $2-5 game.He looks at
me and says, “I don’t know what you just said, but you’re acting like an a**hole.”I’m dumbfounded, but before I can even
respond, the dealer says, “He’s not acting like anything; he’s trying to
converse with you.He’s asking you about
the other games in the poker room and trying to be nice.Furthermore, your language will not be
tolerated here.”Wow.Just wow.Kudos to the dealer for keeping the game under control.The whole
table (including me) is staring at him now after his outburst of uncontrolled
behavior.Now he says to me, “Don’t even
look at me.Don’t look this way.”What do I do at this point?I just shake my head and look away from him, wanting
to end this potentially violent confrontation.A few hands later, he gathers his chips and storms off.

Now to the crux of the post, even though the above story
could apply to the title as well:

I’ve played with the couple mentioned above for a few months
now.I’ve become a bit friendly with
both; sharing personal details (both ways) with the boyfriend.He’s a nice guy, as is she, though she’s a
bit of a brute when it comes to ego and getting her way.I’ve put some really bad beats on her, but
she’s also made some horrendous mistakes.I’m never getting it in bad against her, and she’s almost always calling
me as described.

I raise UTG to $15 with TT.I get called 5 way ($75 in the pot) to see a flop of 2 5 6 dd.

With so many players in the pot, and a vulnerable overpair, I
lead for $60.She (2 seats down) raises
to $120.It folds back around to me and
I tank for a bit.There are a number of
hands she’d do this with: mainly top pair good kicker, I saw her raise a flopped
set earlier, and bluffs.She plays a
wide range of hands, so TP is more likely than sets and two pair hands.Bluffs are less likely, but still in her
range.I figure calling here is useless;
I’m just going to get it in on the turn anyway if I call the flop and believe I’m
good, and I can’t really put her on a hand but a possible diamond draw or straight
draw bluff.I look down at $250
remaining and shove.Action is back to
her, but by the time I look up, the dealer has already put out the turn and the
river – a K and A.However, she has yet to
call!Alright…. Now what?

I know what’s going to happen: the turn and river cards will
be shuffled back into the deck, and pending action, will be dealt anew.The burn cards stay as the natural burn
cards.However, she’s putting up a huge
verbal fight.Arguing this isn’t fair…Arguing the burn cards to be shuffled in…
etc.I’m not sure what she’s trying to
get out of it, but finally she asks me to chop the pot.Now, ordinarily, against any other player, I
would tell them outright “no” without even a second thought.I know I have the winning hand here, and I
don’t want her to have a sour taste towards me because she’s an ATM.What do you do?Do you accept half the pot despite having the
winner?This is more of a meta game move
than the actual hand at stake.However,
this is not a small pot at this point; there’s $250 in the pot + my raise + if
she calls, another $130.

I decide to tell her that I can’t accept that offer; I have
the winning hand.Optimal or not, she
winds up talking herself into a call with K7cc (WTF??????).Now I realize why she fought so hard; she had
turned the winning hand.She was
fighting based on an angle on false hope.Pretty sneaky; noted.I will not
ever chop with her if the situation arises again.In the end, the second turn and river flip
over harmlessly and I scoop a nice pot!

What would you do?Given the information at the time – that you didn’t know she was angling
for the K to stay – what would you do?

11 comments:

Reading post like this makes me not regret having not played at the Shoe in over a year. My experience has been that people take themselves way to seriously there. I've really enjoyed playing Harrah's AC lately, largely because I don't experience nonsense there.

I have seen some crazy things at the Shoe in my one afternoon there. First story, I was sitting at table sitting enjoying my drink when someone yelled call and threw two tens on the felt and yelled call! The only problem was that it was fourth street! I mean this was early afternoon. He is sitting there waiting for the guy to my right to show. The dealer informs him that there the river to come. The cards flips and the player to my right goes in the tank. He makes a pot sized bet and the guys looks at for a while and then calls. The player to my right flips and shows a boat. The other guy just slinks off. Then there was this guy we were calling ATM because he was hemorrhaging chips and making frequently stops to the ATM. He finally maxed out and the guy to my right told him he could go the front desk and they would give him credit for more money. I thought that was just wrong on so many levels. Anyway, when I got there the guy to my right was the chip leader. He left for about an hour came back and started to slowly lose his stack. Furthermore, he had grown very quiet. I wondered if he had score some pot and was playing poker stoned. He went from Phil Ivey to your basic loose passive donkey. There were also guys who showed up with small stacks, lost them quickly and went home. I certainly made a lot of money but I could see where the variance could be a problem in the long run. All in all, it was a very interesting poker experience.

Yeah - Baltimore has been very profitable... There's a lot of those randoms that come along & dump $100 or $120 trying to buy the pot. I think they approach it as if they were sitting at the blackjack table.

I would have chopped the pot. You want to keep your customers happy. It was unfair that one of her cards were burnt because of the dealer. You should have at least offered to run the remaining cards twice. Now you have to worry about her being reluctant to play with you. This could cost you a lot more in the long run. Also, the a*hole from the first few hands was frustrated because he couldn't steamroll you. That was his go-to move. You basically castrated him in front of the whole table. It spoiled his whole game. He was an idiot. He should've been patient for a hand and played it hard. He would have had a good chance of getting someone to pay him off. He wasted a good bluff. There is value in a profitable table image. He didn't have the skill to use it to his advantage. He was obviously a one trick pony who was in reality a donkey.

I don't know if I explained it properly above, but what happened was both the A & the K got shuffled back in with the remaining stub & the turn & river are re-dealt. The live cards remained live. FWIW, by the end of the night, things were back to normal and she did not seem resentful at all.

For the castration reference - yes, I suppose that's exactly what happened from his perspective. When something like that happens, though, he needs to act like an adult instead of a petulant child. So quickly did he turn to violence and threats that we were all amazed... He definitely made a scene.

u were being an asshole asking if he was waiting for the $2-5, (u said it to try to put him on tilt, because this is ur game, to upset those emotionally vulnerable). both me, and i guess this guy too, get tired of all the dumb questions by those who dont care, but try to get info to gain an edge, similar to the taxi driver wishing to long haul u if he finds out u dont live in vegas

Tony - I don't really want to engage this statement, but I will say that I was not trying to put him on tilt. It is not my game to upset those emotionally vulnerable. I'm not sure where you got that notion, but I think your comment stems from deeper issues within yourself.