ZeroCorpse:Molavian: ZeroCorpse: I just find it to be a funny coincidence-- and surely, it's just a coincidence-- that all the people defending Zimmerman also happen to be the same most-likely white macho-type guys who frequent gun threads babbling about Obama takin' their guns and how the MSM doesn't know the difference between a clip and a magazine.

Just a funny coincidence. Surely, the cracker gun nuts aren't also racists?!?!

We don't loathe being straight white men, either.

Good for you. I'm glad you don't loathe yourself. It probably makes it easier when you realize so many other people do it for you.

redmid17:s2s2s2: The most relevant of GZ's past actions, are the multiple times he called police regarding suspicious activity and didn't end up in an altercation with the suspects.

That and his arrest for "assaulting a police officer" came when an undercover officer was hassling his buddy (rightfully) about underage drinking in a bar. I don't think it's out of the ordinary to confront someone who appears to be threatening your buddy.

I first heard about this case when Melissa Harris Perry brought it up. I was pissed that some dude would just chase down a kid and kill him in cold blood.

I started looking into it. Then it became "Well, she kinda lied about some stuff". I find this all fascinating, because it really makes us look at what is right, versus what is legal, and how what is legal sometimes trumps what is right.

People can say all they want that if George never got out of his car...Truth is, that wasn't the point of no return. George may have continued pursuit after ending the call with 911. There just isn't any evidence to prove it.

Based on evidence, I don't see how a rational mind could convict him.

The most fascinating part of this is watching usually loony conservatives sticking with facts and reason, and watching usually reasonable, intelligent liberals stick with emotion and what ifs.

Farkage:gimmegimme: tyrajam: Yawn. Your trolling has lost its entertainment value. Nobody believes that after your head is split open you should wait for more serious damage to occur before you defend yourself.

And no one believes that if your head is "split open" that a Band-Aid will suffice.

The one big thing I've learned from your rather "interesting" comments is anyone should feel totally safe attacking you, since even if they jump on you and slam your hear into the sidewalk you apparently feel it's impolite to pull a weapon to defend yourself.

Friend, if I track and hunt and stalk you even though you try to elude me by running away between buildings, I'm not going to be surprised if you fight back.

But I'm normal and you can only feel empathy for someone who is...well...I'll let you finish the sentence.

Beyond mockery of your hysteria and bigotry? Not really feeling the need for much more. Throw another abbo on the barby and project more.

He hunted Martin based on skin colour.

And you know this how? Was it hatred of his black relatives and ancestors that fed his racism? He never got good Christmas presents from his grandfather? You obviously know, so share.

You've created a narrative to justify your prejudices. No obligation on my part to take it seriously.

So what was his motivation again?

Oh that's right, he'd gone through Martin's Twitter account, phone images and Facebook account and based on all this evidence, decided to stalk him in case he was going to go murder someone!

Or what do you think Zimmerman's motivation was for hunting down this singular individual on these mean suburban streets?

Again, if you believe that things would have played out the same if Martin were white, or female, you're either being facetiously racist or just plain stupid.

Based on your smarmy replies, money's on the former, backed up by the 'my defense of this racism is in fact me taking down all those REVERSE RACISTS' screed that seems to be very popular in these threads.

Or you could just be a Libertarian, in which case you have my sympathy.

That said, if you're all so worried about a teenage black thug getting gunned down I sure as shiat hope you never read the news, because, you know, it happens every single day.

Remind me again why this one is worth anybody's attention?

There are plenty of other black thugs out there who will be killed - many even today, as you read this thread. Don't bogart your pretend outrage.

mostly because the local police tried the bury the case and ignore it

There was no "case." Charges were only brought due to public pressure. Besides which, the vast majority of thug murders go unsolved even when, as here, everbody knows who did it because nobody will "snitch" to the popo. That being the case, having a murder go unpunished hardly seems like such a rare thing in the black community commensurate to their ginned outrage over this.

Meanwhile, how many hundreds of white folks have been murdered by other "sons of Obama" since this all went down and the media is too chickenshiat to even mention that the suspects or those arrested are black when they report on it, yet they invent some new category of "white" just to fit Zims into their BS narrative.

Dude, I'm sorry the girl you liked rejected you and went out with a black dude, I really am. But it's time to let it go.

This case caught my attention because of the problem of cop wannabes. In Texas, nearly once a year, we hear about these department rejects putting lights on their cars and trying to pull people over. They are unhinged at best and dangerous at worst because they have the attitude and the tendency for power trips, but none of the discipline or consequence for their actions.

Zim Zim is just another fat boy who saw too many Dirty Harry movies, and now, his recklessness has gotten someone killed. One fact of all this case is indisputable. A person is not alive right now, and they would be if Georgie Porgie had minded his own goddamn business.

bugontherug:AngryDragon: Note this part of the timeline was confirmed by the police.

Nobody saw Trayvon slamming Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk.

Try an experiment. Get a nice, soft pad, maybe a pillow, and a friend.

Lay flat on your back, and have your friend straddle you at the waist. Then have him try to "slam" your head back into the soft padding. Remind him that he's not allowed to pull your hair, because Zimmerman's head was shaved.

Without a very great difference in strength, I doubt it's even possible to slam someone's head into the ground if he offers resistance. Especially not from the position described.

And what exactly was Trayvon holding onto?

If I was in the position you described, I am pretty sure I could slam almost anyone's head into the concrete. Especially given the level of adrenaline involved in the purported situation.

I seriously doubt zimmermans neck and shoulder muscles could prevent that for very long. He wasn't that fit.

Neither of us know. I'm just honest about it instead of making up stories like you do.

Well, has Zimmerman made any commentary, either in recorded calls or statements to police, as to why he was hunting Martin?

Because without any other reason - you know, Martin was smashing windows, setting fire to things - there's a very short list of motivations as to why he would stalk him.

And of those reasons. 'racist' is possibly one of the better motivations - and certainly the most likely by an exponential factor.

The joke is that there is a good reason for this - the dreaded 'young black male crime statistics' that no one can ever discuss rationally.

With no other rationale in sight, Zimmerman profiled and stalked Martin. A racist action, supported by plenty of circumstantial evidence regarding the propensity of young black males to be involved in crime. And both the racism, and the young black male crime issues, are simply issues that US society doesn't like dealing with because the solutions to both issues are unpalatable.

But no one wants to say that. Instead we have bullshiat discussions of 'standing your ground', Twitter comments and dubious witness statements which will culminate in a courthouse sideshow with a result determined by media influence.

-I wasn't sure at first, but now I'm fairly certain that I do require more alcohol if I'm going to continue to pay attention to this thread.-At first I thought the arguments in the thread were part of a debate, but now they seem more like a disorienting mass of statements in which different Farkers are arguing not with one another, but past one another.

I used to be on Team Skittles, until I realized that, no matter what the reason, there was ZERO justification for Martin to commit an assault on Zimmerman. Everyone saying that Zimmerman should've just gone home, but doesn't apply the same logic to Martin is being hypocritical. Martin left the scene and for whatever reason came back to confront Zimmerman. If Zimmerman is wrong for not staying put/pursuing Martin (whatever you believe), then Martin is equally at fault for not continuing to his Dad's house and coming back to confront Zimmerman. Can't blame one and not the other. The next move (Martin assaulting Zimmerman) was totally predicated by Martin and Zimmerman was fully justified in defending his life with his weapon.

Personally I think it is sad that Zimmerman stalked and killed a 17 year old kid because he "looked suspicious" (i.e. black).

I also think that a 17 year-old talking tough in texts is far from surprising and is evidence of absolutely nothing ... including what is claimed in the texts. Teenagers talk shiat all the time.

All that said ... I expect that Zimmerman is going to get away with this based on self-defense. If Martin got the jump on him and there is actually evidence that the back of Zimmerman's head hit the pavement multiple times then Florida laws will allow self defense.

Personally I think that if you create the situation that puts your life in jeopardy then there should be a ruling on whether or not you are allowed to claim self defense. But that stipulation doesn't, to my knowledge, currently exist so I think Georgie goes free. He's a gun-happy ass wipe who gets away with killing a 17 year old kid.

Farking Canuck:Personally I think it is sad that Zimmerman stalked and killed a 17 year old kid because he "looked suspicious" (i.e. black).

I also think that a 17 year-old talking tough in texts is far from surprising and is evidence of absolutely nothing ... including what is claimed in the texts. Teenagers talk shiat all the time.

All that said ... I expect that Zimmerman is going to get away with this based on self-defense. If Martin got the jump on him and there is actually evidence that the back of Zimmerman's head hit the pavement multiple times then Florida laws will allow self defense.

Personally I think that if you create the situation that puts your life in jeopardy then there should be a ruling on whether or not you are allowed to claim self defense. But that stipulation doesn't, to my knowledge, currently exist so I think Georgie goes free. He's a gun-happy ass wipe who gets away with killing a 17 year old kid.

/IANAL

So a person with CCW in a notoriously violent neighborhood has no right to self defense? What about cops responding to calls? Clearly bounty hunter as an occupation is right the fark out, in your mind.

tirob:Tatsuma: So when trying to establish whether he was assaulted or not, it's irrelevant to present information specifically about Martin's character when it comes to violence, crime and drug abuse? That's racist?

How would you feel about the prosecution's presenting evidence of Zimmerman's previous run-ins with the law at trial? Irrelevant?

Where did he say that?!? Why do you assume everyone is 100% to one side or the other? The character and history of both persons involved are important to the trial and should be presented. Tatsuma was responding to the troll headline that suggests having a history of violence and drugs is somehow a black trait, and so highlighting those must be racist. If the headline tried to link bringing up Zimmerman's past to being anti-Hispanic, he would have addressed that instead.

Neither of us know. I'm just honest about it instead of making up stories like you do.

Well, has Zimmerman made any commentary, either in recorded calls or statements to police, as to why he was hunting Martin?

Because without any other reason - you know, Martin was smashing windows, setting fire to things - there's a very short list of motivations as to why he would stalk him.

And of those reasons. 'racist' is possibly one of the better motivations - and certainly the most likely by an exponential factor.

The joke is that there is a good reason for this - the dreaded 'young black male crime statistics' that no one can ever discuss rationally.

With no other rationale in sight, Zimmerman profiled and stalked Martin. A racist action, supported by plenty of circumstantial evidence regarding the propensity of young black males to be involved in crime. And both the racism, and the young black male crime issues, are simply issues that US society doesn't like dealing with because the solutions to both issues are unpalatable.

But no one wants to say that. Instead we have bullshiat discussions of 'standing your ground', Twitter comments and dubious witness statements which will culminate in a courthouse sideshow with a result determined by media influence.

What planet do you live on?

/And can the pentagon please disable whatever transmitters are in orbit that let you threadshiat here on Earth?

And Zimmerman had no way of knowing any of that when he pursued the kid. It doesn't take a violent thug to confront someone stalking you. As I've been saying since the start, DA should have gone for manslaughter.

Neither of us know. I'm just honest about it instead of making up stories like you do.

Well, has Zimmerman made any commentary, either in recorded calls or statements to police, as to why he was hunting Martin?

Because without any other reason - you know, Martin was smashing windows, setting fire to things - there's a very short list of motivations as to why he would stalk him.

And of those reasons. 'racist' is possibly one of the better motivations - and certainly the most likely by an exponential factor.

The joke is that there is a good reason for this - the dreaded 'young black male crime statistics' that no one can ever discuss rationally.

With no other rationale in sight, Zimmerman profiled and stalked Martin. A racist action, supported by plenty of circumstantial evidence regarding the propensity of young black males to be involved in crime. And both the racism, and the young black male crime issues, are simply issues that US society doesn't like dealing with because the solutions to both issues are unpalatable.

But no one wants to say that. Instead we have bullshiat discussions of 'standing your ground', Twitter comments and dubious witness statements which will culminate in a courthouse sideshow with a result determined by media influence.

What planet do you live on?

/And can the pentagon please disable whatever transmitters are in orbit that let you threadshiat here on Earth?

A planet where you shouldn't be able to stalk and kill people based on the colour of their skin and get away with it by hiding behind the most godawful retarded laws made to shield violent gun owners from the repercussions of their actions.

cegorach:planet where you shouldn't be able to stalk and kill people based on the colour of their skin and get away with it by hiding behind the most godawful retarded laws made to shield violent gun owners from the repercussions of their actions.

unfarkingbelievable:...and I will wait to see the absolute proof of that. And then why, if so, that proof justifies him being shot dead.

It doesnt, in and of itself. It just makes it harder for retards to make the argument that Treyvon was a model citizen who went to church at 11 at night, and Zimmerman saw him walking in the neighborhood, and hunted him down like a dog and executed hime.

lantawa:cegorach: planet where you shouldn't be able to stalk and kill people based on the colour of their skin and get away with it by hiding behind the most godawful retarded laws made to shield violent gun owners from the repercussions of their actions.

Well hello, scofflaw racist.......

Considering I am not an American, I can scoff at your backwards-ass murderous laws all I like.

And considering you're the one defending the person who committed murder based on racial profiling activities, your REVERSE RACISM isn't exactly doing much more than playing to the retards in the audience.

JWideman:And Zimmerman had no way of knowing any of that when he pursued the kid. It doesn't take a violent thug to confront someone stalking you. As I've been saying since the start, DA should have gone for manslaughter.

Could still go for Manslaughter. It is a lesser included charge that can be instructed if either side wants it (tactical reasons why you may or may not want it depending on the thought process of the lawyers). In fact, by going for murder, it can make a manslaughter conviction more likely as the jurors may compromise and go for the middle ground. Of course if this happens then the jury actually ignored instructions, but no one will know that until after the tria if someone spills the beansl and it is tough to get a new trial on jury misconduct (although less so now with the advent of social media, smart phones, and increasing narciscism of the public which compells individuals to document every last thing they do).

cegorach:lantawa: cegorach: planet where you shouldn't be able to stalk and kill people based on the colour of their skin and get away with it by hiding behind the most godawful retarded laws made to shield violent gun owners from the repercussions of their actions.

Well hello, scofflaw racist.......

Considering I am not an American, I can scoff at your backwards-ass murderous laws all I like.

And considering you're the one defending the person who committed murder based on racial profiling activities, your REVERSE RACISM isn't exactly doing much more than playing to the retards in the audience.

As I wrote earlier, you ignorant retard in regards to interpreting American law, but now with more ethical and moral authority than in my earlier post (due to your alien perspective), hello, you ignorant scofflaw racist.