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Re: Who we could get for Artest (2 per team)

My God some of these trade scenarios are stomache turning. Ron's trade value is higher than you people think, believe me. Walsh is one of the best GMs in the league, and I assure you he wont be ripped off, which is what 90% of these proposals are.

As for Gerald Wallace - he's interesting. He's not a great player like Ron is, but he's very good and only 23 which means there's a strong chance for greatness in the near future. An interesting thing about a deal with the Bobcats is, their owner, Robert Johnson, is also the founder of B.E.T. B.E.T is actually headquartered in Charlotte. With Ron wanting to be a parttime rapper/music producer/entertainer/whatever, that certainly makes for some very interesting thoughts.

Re: Who we could get for Artest (2 per team)

Nope. Z makes too much. We'd have to add more. There's a very easy to use trade checker up at http://realgm.com/src_tradechecker it's just point and click for the most part, and will take you maybe 30 seconds to figure out. But anyways, I dont think a deal with the Cavs will go down.
(1) They're a division rival. No way do you trade with them unless your clearly getting the best end of the deal, and unless we get back LeBron or Hughes + another good player, we won't be getting the best end of a deal with them.
(2) As for Ilgauskas, he's pretty aged (30 years, 6 months) and with his past injuries it''s very easy to see him completely breaking down any season now.
(3) He's not that good anyways. Yeah, he's got some offensive talent, but defensively and rebounding-wise, Foster is the superior player. I'd rather keep Foster starting at center and trade for a very good perimeter player than trade Ron for an aged center.

Re: Who we could get for Artest (2 per team)

My God some of these trade scenarios are stomache turning. Ron's trade value is higher than you people think, believe me. Walsh is one of the best GMs in the league, and I assure you he wont be ripped off, which is what 90% of these proposals are.

As for Gerald Wallace - he's interesting. He's not a great player like Ron is, but he's very good and only 23 which means there's a strong chance for greatness in the near future. An interesting thing about a deal with the Bobcats is, their owner, Robert Johnson, is also the founder of B.E.T. B.E.T is actually headquartered in Charlotte. With Ron wanting to be a parttime rapper/music producer/entertainer/whatever, that certainly makes for some very interesting thoughts.

Hey Seth,

Note that not all of the trades proposed are serious and most would require us getting several key players / considerations... the fact is that some teams don't match our trade needs or have a suitable talent that we can trade Ron for...

I find Odom and Wallace to be fair trades... even in the case of Wallace though, I think we should try to get more...

Dallas: They are opposed to Artest almost unanimously... even for Daniels

Denver: Couldn't find a good board..

Golden State: Seem to be amenable to all trades involving Pietrus + _ for Artest + _ ... Murphy and Fisher seem to be mentioned a lot. (their dream includes getting Sarunas or Foster in return... but most of the reasonable ones question why we'd take Pietrus for Artest at all)

seems to be the consensus... Most wouldn't do Maggette for Artest but a few might...

Lakers: Very few want Artest for Odom, surprisingly... but several want Artest... Something about cake and eating it too.... ;-)

Grizz: Hard to gague... I can't find a good board... They don't think West would go for Battier for Artest

Miami: They know that they aren't going to get Artest, so no serious trades were offered.

Milwaukee: Also probably not going to get Artest... Simmons + more is clearly and option for them though...

Minnesota: They seem to like Artest... Szcerbiak and Hassell is a possibility for Artest + filler but they rightfully think that it is too little and don't want to give up Griffin.

New Jersey: Vince Carter or Kidd seem to be possibilites... Word is out on Jefferson...

NJ trades:
Richard Jefferson
Marc Jackson

IND trades:
Ron Artest
Jeff Foster

New Orleans: A resounding NO (no pun intended)

New York: Funny how many Ariza + more crap for Artest trades are proposed... IF only there were some way we could rip IT off... everyone else seems to be doing it...

A trade:
Marbury/Ariza for Tinsley/Artest/Bender

- a funny comment on this trade: "Why because NO OTHER TEAM will give up there two best players to get him. "

Orlando: Grant Hill.

Philadelphia: Seem to like Artest (A LOT... plus he would be pretty close to home...) Iguodala is certainly an option for them (also Korver... obiously)... They also don't like AI...

Phoenix: Not really much they can do to compete with other offers...

Portland: Miles plus pick

Sacto: Here is a good quote:
"I just took a few minutes and read some of the vast multitude of threads/posts about this at PacersDigest. The consensus is about 3 to 1 in favor of totally washing their hands of him, even though some of them admit he's the best player on their team right now. Their comments about him make the most vile stuff posted here about Webber look like testimonials.

If they're THAT fed up with him, I'm more convinced than ever that Ron Artest is simply a liability we do not need." --- they are smart fans... They don't think that Ron would fit with their team...

Dallas: They are opposed to Artest almost unanimously... even for Daniels

Denver: Couldn't find a good board..

Golden State: Seem to be amenable to all trades involving Pietrus + _ for Artest + _ ... Murphy and Fisher seem to be mentioned a lot. (their dream includes getting Sarunas or Foster in return... but most of the reasonable ones question why we'd take Pietrus for Artest at all)

seems to be the consensus... Most wouldn't do Maggette for Artest but a few might...

Lakers: Very few want Artest for Odom, surprisingly... but several want Artest... Something about cake and eating it too.... ;-)

Grizz: Hard to gague... I can't find a good board... They don't think West would go for Battier for Artest

Miami: They know that they aren't going to get Artest, so no serious trades were offered.

Milwaukee: Also probably not going to get Artest... Simmons + more is clearly and option for them though...

Minnesota: They seem to like Artest... Szcerbiak and Hassell is a possibility for Artest + filler but they rightfully think that it is too little and don't want to give up Griffin.

New Jersey: Vince Carter or Kidd seem to be possibilites... Word is out on Jefferson...

NJ trades:
Richard Jefferson
Marc Jackson

IND trades:
Ron Artest
Jeff Foster

New Orleans: A resounding NO (no pun intended)

New York: Funny how many Ariza + more crap for Artest trades are proposed... IF only there were some way we could rip IT off... everyone else seems to be doing it...

A trade:
Marbury/Ariza for Tinsley/Artest/Bender

- a funny comment on this trade: "Why because NO OTHER TEAM will give up there two best players to get him. "

Orlando: Grant Hill.

Philadelphia: Seem to like Artest (A LOT... plus he would be pretty close to home...) Iguodala is certainly an option for them (also Korver... obiously)... They also don't like AI...

Phoenix: Not really much they can do to compete with other offers...

Portland: Miles plus pick

Sacto: Here is a good quote:
"I just took a few minutes and read some of the vast multitude of threads/posts about this at PacersDigest. The consensus is about 3 to 1 in favor of totally washing their hands of him, even though some of them admit he's the best player on their team right now. Their comments about him make the most vile stuff posted here about Webber look like testimonials.

If they're THAT fed up with him, I'm more convinced than ever that Ron Artest is simply a liability we do not need." --- they are smart fans... They don't think that Ron would fit with their team...

Utah: They are surprisingly not overly oposed to trading anyone on their team for Ron... Including AK47... which I find odd...

Washington: Jamison, Butler or Jared Jefferies seem to be possibilites...

Good Night!

Damn, that was a lot of work. Nice job, some interesting stuff.

What about a deal that could land Stephon Marbury here? I know many don't like him because he's "selfish", but I was thinking of playing him at the 2 and move Jackson to the 3.
Knicks seem to be looking for a point guard, so how about this....
Ron Artest, Jamaal Tinsley, and Scot Pollard to New York in exchange for Stephon Marbury, Channing Frye, and Trevor Ariza?

Re: Who we could get for Artest (2 per team)

What about a deal that could land Stephon Marbury here? I know many don't like him because he's "selfish", but I was thinking of playing him at the 2 and move Jackson to the 3.
Knicks seem to be looking for a point guard, so how about this....
Ron Artest, Jamaal Tinsley, and Scot Pollard to New York in exchange for Stephon Marbury, Channing Frye, and Trevor Ariza?

Re: Who we could get for Artest (2 per team)

Well since he's been "banned" until he gets traded I don't think we are going to get much for him. I think we would have the best chance for some reasonable returns IF we throw in another player as then we can start looking at players making more money, widening the limited possibilities that are worth just a little.

Successful Scenario
Due to Indiana and Toronto being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Indiana and Toronto had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Re: Who we could get for Artest (2 per team)

I think its safe to put Chicago in the "Been there, done that, no fing way in Hell we're doing that again" camp.

Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
And life itself, rushing over me
Life itself, the wind in black elms,
Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

Re: Who we could get for Artest (2 per team)

Didn't we just go through a huge "SJax plays better if he is the 2nd scoring option" debate?

If you come to the conclusion that SJax plays better as the 2nd scoring option....then it would make ZERO sense to get an offensive minded player like Rashard Lewis or Peja ( of course ignoring the liklihood that their respective teams have very little incentive to give up a star player for a guy that has very little trade value ) that would take away the 2nd scoring shots that SJax thinks he should get.

What we need is a player that play as a 3rd scoring option....but more importantly one that can effectively defend the SG position.

If you want another scorer....we should trade for a bench scorer...but not one that starts.

Re: Who we could get for Artest (2 per team)

What about a deal that could land Stephon Marbury here? I know many don't like him because he's "selfish", but I was thinking of playing him at the 2 and move Jackson to the 3.
Knicks seem to be looking for a point guard, so how about this....
Ron Artest, Jamaal Tinsley, and Scot Pollard to New York in exchange for Stephon Marbury, Channing Frye, and Trevor Ariza?

And we'd still have 3 nice young projects in Granger, Ariza, and Harrison to work with.

Frye's the deal-breaker in that one. Substitute Nate Robinson or David Lee (a Foster Clone minus 2") and it could happen though Marbury and Zeke are tight. Frye's being looked at as the 2nd coming right now.