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Accelerating IntelligenceTue, 26 Sep 2017 13:54:00 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1By: NakedApehttp://www.kurzweilai.net/china-proposes-space-collaboration-with-india/comment-page-1#comment-52032
NakedApeMon, 12 Nov 2012 01:08:49 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=169736#comment-52032Countries that trade and cooperate on big projects tend not to want to go to war with each other. And what's wrong with that? It's about time that humanity discarded our ancient tribal xenophobias and started seeing ourselves as one tribe, one species, on this one planet.Countries that trade and cooperate on big projects tend not to want to go to war with each other. And what’s wrong with that? It’s about time that humanity discarded our ancient tribal xenophobias and started seeing ourselves as one tribe, one species, on this one planet.
]]>By: klaatuhttp://www.kurzweilai.net/china-proposes-space-collaboration-with-india/comment-page-1#comment-49728
klaatuWed, 07 Nov 2012 00:31:16 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=169736#comment-49728Imagine that the data of climate change computer
sims being "adjusted" so as to be way too conservative
and the the US Republican South much less countries
like India & Pakistan might be running out of "air-
conditioning" & time & such as that. Is it any wonder
we have conservative money flowing into climate change
denial? Think of the political ramifications & demographics
if that were so. THEY WILL NEED A TECHNOLOGICAL FIX
that much sooner to save their ass-ets. Space based sun
deflectors? Co2 converters? As in pronto. An India/ China
collaboration might be bumped up a bit...maybe.Imagine that the data of climate change computer
sims being “adjusted” so as to be way too conservative
and the the US Republican South much less countries
like India & Pakistan might be running out of “air-
conditioning” & time & such as that. Is it any wonder
we have conservative money flowing into climate change
denial? Think of the political ramifications & demographics
if that were so. THEY WILL NEED A TECHNOLOGICAL FIX
that much sooner to save their ass-ets. Space based sun
deflectors? Co2 converters? As in pronto. An India/ China
collaboration might be bumped up a bit…maybe.
]]>By: Mr.Xhttp://www.kurzweilai.net/china-proposes-space-collaboration-with-india/comment-page-1#comment-49607
Mr.XTue, 06 Nov 2012 19:45:21 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=169736#comment-49607Germany, but I wouldn't say I can speak for all of us, or the whole of Europe ;) You know, we're not that collectivistic.
The majority in my country is "old folks", brought up during the cold war, and very pro-American (besides knowing nothing about it- thinking it would be a European style country, just bigger)´, fearing the EU, Russia (well, maybe despising, not fearing), and China (and France, despised, not feared, not that I think about^^).
Btw: I'm not hypocritical on this, it's not as if I were "anti-American" per se.Given the appropiate circumstances, I'd critizise my country as well.
So, if you want to go on and critize my country, you can do it (well, freedom of speech) since I neither chose to have been born here nor identify myself with the bad deeds, good achievements, and extremely bad politics of said country, all of which I had no part in devising and enacting, and almost all of which is despicable in my eyes (not to mention decadent).In the same vein, I judge each individual on the base of his or her deeds, and behavior.
I just dislike this "our shit don't stink" syndrom that many US-citizens suffer from, and black and white thinking in general.
These espionage complaints are some of the most hypocritical things I've heard, and well, your government admitted to doing the same, making it much more dumb to point fingers at China.For example I remember one case concerning an avition technology, which got some media cover here.
Have a nice day:)
Ps: Not "just out of curiosity", in general one asks this question to put the other person into a category, and then safely ignore further statements.Or, to strike back:)Germany, but I wouldn’t say I can speak for all of us, or the whole of Europe ;) You know, we’re not that collectivistic.

The majority in my country is “old folks”, brought up during the cold war, and very pro-American (besides knowing nothing about it- thinking it would be a European style country, just bigger)´, fearing the EU, Russia (well, maybe despising, not fearing), and China (and France, despised, not feared, not that I think about^^).

Btw: I’m not hypocritical on this, it’s not as if I were “anti-American” per se.Given the appropiate circumstances, I’d critizise my country as well.

So, if you want to go on and critize my country, you can do it (well, freedom of speech) since I neither chose to have been born here nor identify myself with the bad deeds, good achievements, and extremely bad politics of said country, all of which I had no part in devising and enacting, and almost all of which is despicable in my eyes (not to mention decadent).In the same vein, I judge each individual on the base of his or her deeds, and behavior.

I just dislike this “our shit don’t stink” syndrom that many US-citizens suffer from, and black and white thinking in general.

These espionage complaints are some of the most hypocritical things I’ve heard, and well, your government admitted to doing the same, making it much more dumb to point fingers at China.For example I remember one case concerning an avition technology, which got some media cover here.

Have a nice day:)

Ps: Not “just out of curiosity”, in general one asks this question to put the other person into a category, and then safely ignore further statements.Or, to strike back:)

]]>By: GAUSShttp://www.kurzweilai.net/china-proposes-space-collaboration-with-india/comment-page-1#comment-49587
GAUSSTue, 06 Nov 2012 18:56:08 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=169736#comment-49587Just out of curiosity, Mr. X, which part of Europe do you represent specifically?Just out of curiosity, Mr. X, which part of Europe do you represent specifically?
]]>By: GAUSShttp://www.kurzweilai.net/china-proposes-space-collaboration-with-india/comment-page-1#comment-49585
GAUSSTue, 06 Nov 2012 18:54:16 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=169736#comment-49585They probably don't.They probably don’t.
]]>By: Durabyshttp://www.kurzweilai.net/china-proposes-space-collaboration-with-india/comment-page-1#comment-49567
DurabysTue, 06 Nov 2012 18:02:11 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=169736#comment-49567Yes. And as long China is supporting Maoist terrorists in Nepal and Northern India the Inds will not get cuddly with the Chinese.Yes. And as long China is supporting Maoist terrorists in Nepal and Northern India the Inds will not get cuddly with the Chinese.
]]>By: Mr.Xhttp://www.kurzweilai.net/china-proposes-space-collaboration-with-india/comment-page-1#comment-49352
Mr.XTue, 06 Nov 2012 11:10:58 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=169736#comment-49352Well, start with googling "Echelon." Btw: English wikipedia seems to be censoreing the industrial espionage article, I looked it up in some other languages, and your country was only missing in the English wikipedia as one of those who steal others secrets big time.
I mean: I wouldn't care normally, but since you are stealing from us Europeans, all the while thinking you're the best thing that ever happened to the world and in general the best at everything...:)
Well, at least your echelon article has some information.
And, btw- the stuff said about bribery and American surpremacy making espionage worthless (James Woolsay) after people found out, is pure garbage and something only one of you guys could actually believe.Must be good to know that one is the best and most ethical country^^
Ps: Have a nice day.Well, start with googling “Echelon.” Btw: English wikipedia seems to be censoreing the industrial espionage article, I looked it up in some other languages, and your country was only missing in the English wikipedia as one of those who steal others secrets big time.

I mean: I wouldn’t care normally, but since you are stealing from us Europeans, all the while thinking you’re the best thing that ever happened to the world and in general the best at everything…:)

Well, at least your echelon article has some information.

And, btw- the stuff said about bribery and American surpremacy making espionage worthless (James Woolsay) after people found out, is pure garbage and something only one of you guys could actually believe.Must be good to know that one is the best and most ethical country^^

Ps: Have a nice day.

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EditorTue, 06 Nov 2012 08:00:36 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=169736#comment-49286Hi, welcome to KurzweilAI! Your solar directory at http://www.thesolarindia.com looks like a great resource. We would also be interested in your thoughts on OLPC tablets http://www.kurzweilai.net/given-tablets-but-no-teachers-ethiopian-children-teach-themselves and the Hole In The Wall experiment http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/india/thestory.html in New Delhi.Hi, welcome to KurzweilAI! Your solar directory at http://www.thesolarindia.com looks like a great resource. We would also be interested in your thoughts on OLPC tablets http://www.kurzweilai.net/given-tablets-but-no-teachers-ethiopian-children-teach-themselves and the Hole In The Wall experiment http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/india/thestory.html in New Delhi.
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the solar indiaTue, 06 Nov 2012 07:49:52 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=169736#comment-49282It is a very good initiative by China,India to work on solar space programs under the leadership of Kalam- our missile man.Thanks for the post- http://www.thesolarindia.com teamIt is a very good initiative by China,India to work on solar space programs under the leadership of Kalam- our missile man.Thanks for the post- http://www.thesolarindia.com team
]]>By: GatorALLinhttp://www.kurzweilai.net/china-proposes-space-collaboration-with-india/comment-page-1#comment-49182
GatorALLinTue, 06 Nov 2012 01:21:33 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=169736#comment-49182one day we may find out we all come from the same mother in Africa...... what could we accomplish if we were all on the same team? What if our common enemy was hunger and fear and lack of clean water or food and the lack of education.....?one day we may find out we all come from the same mother in Africa…… what could we accomplish if we were all on the same team? What if our common enemy was hunger and fear and lack of clean water or food and the lack of education…..?
]]>By: Brihttp://www.kurzweilai.net/china-proposes-space-collaboration-with-india/comment-page-1#comment-49132
BriMon, 05 Nov 2012 21:53:09 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=169736#comment-49132@Mr.X: give me a specific data base on google. The articles I just saw were slanted toward countries stealing from the U.S.@Mr.X: give me a specific data base on google. The articles I just saw were slanted toward countries stealing from the U.S.
]]>By: Mr.Xhttp://www.kurzweilai.net/china-proposes-space-collaboration-with-india/comment-page-1#comment-49116
Mr.XMon, 05 Nov 2012 21:10:48 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=169736#comment-49116Yeah, the Japanese and Chinese love each other...^^Yeah, the Japanese and Chinese love each other…^^
]]>By: Dennis R.http://www.kurzweilai.net/china-proposes-space-collaboration-with-india/comment-page-1#comment-49105
Dennis R.Mon, 05 Nov 2012 20:57:06 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=169736#comment-49105I am the only one who gets frustrated that we're projecting our global political biases (and economics) off-planet? We like to talk about transhumanism in these discussions, but we still seem to view other countries as being a different kind of human being. This is absurd.I am the only one who gets frustrated that we’re projecting our global political biases (and economics) off-planet? We like to talk about transhumanism in these discussions, but we still seem to view other countries as being a different kind of human being. This is absurd.
]]>By: Mr.Xhttp://www.kurzweilai.net/china-proposes-space-collaboration-with-india/comment-page-1#comment-49098
Mr.XMon, 05 Nov 2012 20:24:43 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=169736#comment-49098Blabla.I don't think they are the future.Btw: Who says they want to be your friends?These countries have long memories^^Blabla.I don’t think they are the future.Btw: Who says they want to be your friends?These countries have long memories^^
]]>By: Mr.Xhttp://www.kurzweilai.net/china-proposes-space-collaboration-with-india/comment-page-1#comment-49096
Mr.XMon, 05 Nov 2012 20:21:57 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=169736#comment-49096@Bri: The country which steals the most from others is your own.Just google some statistics on this.@Bri: The country which steals the most from others is your own.Just google some statistics on this.
]]>By: GAUSShttp://www.kurzweilai.net/china-proposes-space-collaboration-with-india/comment-page-1#comment-49092
GAUSSMon, 05 Nov 2012 20:11:49 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=169736#comment-49092I wouldn't be so sure that this is a waste. We'll just have to wait and see.I wouldn’t be so sure that this is a waste. We’ll just have to wait and see.
]]>By: GAUSShttp://www.kurzweilai.net/china-proposes-space-collaboration-with-india/comment-page-1#comment-49091
GAUSSMon, 05 Nov 2012 20:05:41 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=169736#comment-49091Either India or China will overcome the US in economy and production within the next 10 years. The two of them put together on any project is a force to be reckoned with! If we [Americans] were smart we'd make better friends in the East - they're the future.Either India or China will overcome the US in economy and production within the next 10 years. The two of them put together on any project is a force to be reckoned with! If we [Americans] were smart we’d make better friends in the East – they’re the future.
]]>By: Brihttp://www.kurzweilai.net/china-proposes-space-collaboration-with-india/comment-page-1#comment-49042
BriMon, 05 Nov 2012 18:03:15 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=169736#comment-49042Near space utilization is in it's infancy. It's incredibly expensive to build anything up there. The space station is a good example. If they do pit a solar power station up there, it won't be cost effective. We need to develope the very near earth tech first. The moon is still the best choice for natural resources. It costs fractions to break the moons gravitational force. Space solar energy will be used mainly in space. Satellites, tourism and research are the first big uses. They each have to generate returns. China and India have a long way to go, to enter the space market. If they do get successful, we should steal Chinas new found tech. Give them a taste of their own medicine! It's not going to happen any time too soon. I like that they are wasting their time and money.Near space utilization is in it’s infancy. It’s incredibly expensive to build anything up there. The space station is a good example. If they do pit a solar power station up there, it won’t be cost effective. We need to develope the very near earth tech first. The moon is still the best choice for natural resources. It costs fractions to break the moons gravitational force. Space solar energy will be used mainly in space. Satellites, tourism and research are the first big uses. They each have to generate returns. China and India have a long way to go, to enter the space market. If they do get successful, we should steal Chinas new found tech. Give them a taste of their own medicine! It’s not going to happen any time too soon. I like that they are wasting their time and money.
]]>By: Gorden Russellhttp://www.kurzweilai.net/china-proposes-space-collaboration-with-india/comment-page-1#comment-49022
Gorden RussellMon, 05 Nov 2012 16:52:11 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=169736#comment-49022If Japan throws in with them, we could lose out on settling the moon.
When Honda builds an Asimo robot that can feed a 3D copier with moon matter and assemble more robots and copiers, then they can take over the entire moon.
Imagine a 3D copier that can print out the pieces to replicate itself in 12 hours, then print out pieces for a robot in another 12 hours. Put one such copier on the moon with one robot.
Doubling their numbers every 24 hours will give them 16,384 pairs of solar powered robots and copiers by the end of the first lunar day. After waiting for the next two weeks of lunar night, they can start to work again and get up to 268,435,456 pairs by the next sunset. Only two days after the next sunrise they will have 1,073,741,824 pairs. They could build quite a big base with all those copiers and robots.
Now just think of what we have now.
There are a lot of people working on printable robots at this moment.
In two years the problems with ultra-violet lithography are expected to be solved, so Moore's law will be working just fine in the near future.
Now our frequent commenter, GAUSS, is building a 64 GB RAM desktop computer. In 18 months he could be putting together a 128GB RAM unit. Then in three years it will be a 256 GB machine. Then in 4.5 years 512 GB and in six years 1,024 GB.
If an Asimo had 1,024 GB or 2,048 GB, what do you imagine that it could do?If Japan throws in with them, we could lose out on settling the moon.

When Honda builds an Asimo robot that can feed a 3D copier with moon matter and assemble more robots and copiers, then they can take over the entire moon.

Imagine a 3D copier that can print out the pieces to replicate itself in 12 hours, then print out pieces for a robot in another 12 hours. Put one such copier on the moon with one robot.

Doubling their numbers every 24 hours will give them 16,384 pairs of solar powered robots and copiers by the end of the first lunar day. After waiting for the next two weeks of lunar night, they can start to work again and get up to 268,435,456 pairs by the next sunset. Only two days after the next sunrise they will have 1,073,741,824 pairs. They could build quite a big base with all those copiers and robots.

Now just think of what we have now.

There are a lot of people working on printable robots at this moment.

In two years the problems with ultra-violet lithography are expected to be solved, so Moore’s law will be working just fine in the near future.

Now our frequent commenter, GAUSS, is building a 64 GB RAM desktop computer. In 18 months he could be putting together a 128GB RAM unit. Then in three years it will be a 256 GB machine. Then in 4.5 years 512 GB and in six years 1,024 GB.

If an Asimo had 1,024 GB or 2,048 GB, what do you imagine that it could do?

]]>By: Mr.Xhttp://www.kurzweilai.net/china-proposes-space-collaboration-with-india/comment-page-1#comment-48991
Mr.XMon, 05 Nov 2012 15:30:22 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=169736#comment-48991Haha, naive earthlings :) Take it on the authority of the famous Mr.X (I get around 1.070.000.000 google hits)!
Well, maybe later.Gtg.Haha, naive earthlings :) Take it on the authority of the famous Mr.X (I get around 1.070.000.000 google hits)!

Well, maybe later.Gtg.

]]>By: Antehttp://www.kurzweilai.net/china-proposes-space-collaboration-with-india/comment-page-1#comment-48988
AnteMon, 05 Nov 2012 15:26:41 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=169736#comment-48988Why exactly?Why exactly?
]]>By: Mr.Xhttp://www.kurzweilai.net/china-proposes-space-collaboration-with-india/comment-page-1#comment-48949
Mr.XMon, 05 Nov 2012 13:49:24 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=169736#comment-48949Would certainly be bad for the West if China and India get over their "relationship issues."Would certainly be bad for the West if China and India get over their “relationship issues.”
]]>By: Vinhttp://www.kurzweilai.net/china-proposes-space-collaboration-with-india/comment-page-1#comment-48919
VinMon, 05 Nov 2012 11:32:13 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=169736#comment-48919I give 10-1 it doesn't happen :DI give 10-1 it doesn’t happen :D
]]>By: Editorhttp://www.kurzweilai.net/china-proposes-space-collaboration-with-india/comment-page-1#comment-48900
EditorMon, 05 Nov 2012 09:59:13 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=169736#comment-48900So is a CAST-ISRO dialogue new and significant? Having interviewed a key ISRO decisionmaker and having followed the CAST developments, I would say it's new; significant: we'll have to wait and see. Could have major geopolitical implications.So is a CAST-ISRO dialogue new and significant? Having interviewed a key ISRO decisionmaker and having followed the CAST developments, I would say it’s new; significant: we’ll have to wait and see. Could have major geopolitical implications.
]]>By: Vinhttp://www.kurzweilai.net/china-proposes-space-collaboration-with-india/comment-page-1#comment-48889
VinMon, 05 Nov 2012 09:39:42 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=169736#comment-48889Is this really news? India (money) collaborating with China (money), US (money) collaborating with India (money), China (money) collaborating with the US (money).. Wildly conflicting politics and beliefs controlling masses (no money), some pie-in-the-sky pretext makes good newscopy (money-talks) ... but same money (banks).Is this really news? India (money) collaborating with China (money), US (money) collaborating with India (money), China (money) collaborating with the US (money).. Wildly conflicting politics and beliefs controlling masses (no money), some pie-in-the-sky pretext makes good newscopy (money-talks) … but same money (banks).
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