A Tale of Two Murders, Two Investigations and Two Prosecutions. Never could two cases with the same suspect(s) be handled so differently.

As the murder case continues against Joran Van der Sloot in the death of 21 year old Stephany Flores in Peru, we cannot help but think back and make comparisons to what was going on in Aruba five years earlier. What a drastic change of events and how the Aruban and Peruvian law enforcement. prosecutors and judges handled the two cases. After all, both Natalee Holloway and Stephany Flores were murdered on the same day, five years apart and the common denominator was Joran Van der Sloot.

Beth Twitty just gave an emotional statement that to paraphrase said: She is very disappointed with the Aruban Justice System. She thinks that the Kalpoe brothers are criminals and that it is an injustice to have the boys who are free to walk amongst the citizens of Aruba. Also, Beth made the request that the Kalpoe brothers not be allowed to leave the country. Here is the transcript. It is now that I ask the world to help me. Two suspects were released yesterday who were involved in a violent crime against my daughter. These criminals are not only allowed to walk freely among the tourists and citizens of Aruba, but there are no limits where they may choose to travel. I am asking all mothers and fathers in all nations to hear my plea.

Beth Holloway went on to say the following:

I implore you … Do not allow these two suspects, the Kalpoe brothers, to enter your country until this case is solved. Do not allow these criminals to walk among your citizens. Help me by not allowing these two to get away with this crime. “I am asking this in the name of my beautiful, intelligent, outstanding daughter who I haven’t seen in 36 days and for whom I will continue to search until I find her”.

Needless to say, this is a far cry from the treatment that Joran Van der Sloot, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe received in Aruba.

Now we flash back to Aruba, 7/5/05 after Beth Holloway had her press conference. The reaction of the Aruba people was not, oh my God, that poor mother, her poor child, we feel for her. Just the contrary. At the time, according to news sources from Aruba and Canal 90, there is supposed to be a demonstration held at the in front of the courthouse at 5pm. Not a demonstration against the LE and prosecutors letting the Kalpoe’s out of jail … but against Beth Holloway and the family. Believe it or not, thin skinned Arubans were upset that Beth called the Kalpoe’s criminals and Arubans are upset at “the image of a foreigner calling them criminals twice implied that the courts were inept.

In addition, according to sources on the ground in Aruba:

The mood here is NOT good after the Beth Holloway-Twitty called the Kalpoe brothers criminals. After listening to Top 95 radio today and some of the listener’s comments today I was unnerved by a small segment of the Aruban people and their reactions to Beth’s press conference. It appears that some Arubans are upset at “the image of a foreigner calling them criminals twice is not a good thing, implying that the courts are inept.”

Well if the shoe fits, huh? Knowing what we know now, what do those Aruban’s think of their court system today? Prosecutors that refused to try any of the last three boys last seen with Natalee Holloway, even after Joran Van der Sloot confessed his involvement numerous times.

However, the result of the Beth Holloway news conference was an event that will forever mare the investigation and cause great mistrust between Aruba and the Holloway family and those supporting the family forever. Because Beth called the Kalpoe’s criminals, she was forced to apologize or face libel charges in Aruba.

That is correct folks for all that may have forgotten. Beth Twitty had lost her daughter in Aruba, Natalee had been missing for 35 days, the family had been jerked around the entire time, the three suspects including the Kalpoe’s had implicated two black security guards and falsely accused them of involvement … yet it was Beth Twitty who was made to apologizeto the suspects who were last seen with her daughter driving away from Carlos N’ Charlies’.

The mother of a missing Alabama teenager could face a libel lawsuit for speaking publicly about two suspects’ release from an Aruban jail.

In some of the most astounding comments made yet in an investigation that has had more mishaps and its share of amazing comments comes this.

But the Kalpoe brothers’ attorney, Elgin Zeppenfeldt, threatened legal action for the mother’s remarks, CNN said. He accused her of making “prejudicial, inflammatory, libelous and totally outrageous” statements. “She called our client, Mr. Satish Kalpoe, a ‘criminal … involved in a violent crime against my daughter’ and who is ‘allowed to walk freely among the tourists and citizens,’” Zeppenfeldt said in a statement.

It seems an even more ridiculous comment has come to the forefront as they expect Beth Holloway-Twitty to do what?

An apology was not ruled out, the report said.

AN APOLOGY!!! Excuse me? You know what is slander and libel and deserves an apology? Who called who a criminal to the police? When the Kalpoe brothers along with Joran with forethought who concocted a story (lie) and that implicated two innocent security guards to take the rap for something they obviously did. Oh, I guess the attorney of the Kalpoe’s forgot this little tid bit of what they did to have two innocent people arrested because of their lies.

Talk about adding insult to injury and just a sign of things to come in the rabbit hole know as Aruba in Wonderland. Today we are witness to how the Peru people reacted to Joran Van der Sloot and his arrest in the murder of 21 year old Stephany Flores. What a difference 5 years and a change of venue makes. Peru is obviously no Aruba.

If the Kalpoe brothers do depositions in the USA they are toast. So why will they not drop the case? When will the judge end the case? My opinion or theory is they gang raped Natalee. Oh well Joran has not ratted out the Kalpoes yet.

And we wonder why the Kalpoe’s keep putting off coming to the United States for deposition in the Dr Phil case.

Like Joraan, they would be out of their protective fish bowl of Aruba.

R

Bas Brouwer on
July 6th, 2010 9:34 am

Can’t compare the 2 cases, in Aruba local boys were suspects in the disappearance of a foreign girl and in Peru a foreigner is suspect in the murder of a local girl. No similarity period.

If Beth had pulled the same in Peru as she did in Aruba she’d receive the same (if not worse) treatment there.

Lastly calling a or the Kalpoes criminals is
libelous as those boys aren’t even suspects anymore in the disappearance of Natalee.
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SM: When this was posted, in July 2005, the Kalpoe brothers were still suspects. Just because they aren’t currently suspects does not mean that something cannot change. Nice to see your true feelings though (klaasend)

Carpe on
July 6th, 2010 10:36 am

Yes, and she was right then… and it stands the time litmus test. She is right today. Kalpoe`s are lower than alligator dirt.

Maggie on
July 6th, 2010 12:15 pm

Since Joran and Deepak used that Holiday Inn alibi and black security guards alibi..on the night Beth and Jug arrived..and the Dutch Guy and the Dutch Guy’s father..family sat around the pool and made that story up.. that just tells us that even Paulus knew about Natalee, before it was even public knowledge she was gone. Deepak at the time was even trying to sell the story she would turn up in a crackhouse or a beach bum in a few days.. just like Jacobs did.. Was all a rehearsed bunch of bs about the crackhouses and guards and beach bums..to avoid the real story..

VAN SUSTEREN: So what happened? Were you home and the police suddenly showed up?

JOHN: Yes, I was home sleeping around 6:20 (INAUDIBLE) morning. (INAUDIBLE) showed up, bust the (INAUDIBLE) I heard said, “You’re under arrest.” Nobody read my rights, nobody said nothing. All this commotion the police said to me that, “You cooperating, we cooperate with. You’re under arrest. That’s it, let’s go.”

VAN SUSTEREN: What was the first thing they did when you got to the police station? They put you in a cell, or they talk to you?

JOHN: No, they talked to me. Put me sit down, maybe handcuff (INAUDIBLE) after the guy say, “You know why you’re here. You’re for the missing girls. And now we’re going to read your rights to you and you will sign it” (INAUDIBLE)

VAN SUSTEREN: At some point, Deepak was brought in to the same facility, Deepak Kalpoe right?

JOHN: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: Ever know him before?

JOHN: I never saw him before, never in my entire life. I never saw him before.

VAN SUSTEREN: Had you ever heard of him at that point, that there was someone else who might be picked up in this case?

JOHN: Well, before I was locked up, I heard the news that there was – - the girl was last seen with three guys, which is two Suriname guys and the Dutch guy. So I knew there was at least three people more involved in this case, which should be picked up in the first instant, because they were last seen with the girl.

VAN SUSTEREN: So you were picked up on Sunday, Deepak picked up within the following Thursday, is that right?

JOHN: I guess so. Yes, more or less, yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: Between Sunday and Thursday, were you able to get any outside information about what was going on in the case, or were you just simply in the cell and interrogated from time to time?

JOHN: They just interrogated me the Sunday and the following Monday. And that was it. I was just locked up. And only I could see anybody. And my lawyer came to me and that was it.

But then Deepak came, and he introduced himself as Deepak. And he said he was being picked up for the missing girl. I felt relief, because I know I can throw a few questions from him to see if I get something from him.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you think Deepak knew who you were?

JOHN: No (INAUDIBLE) never knew who he was, because he certainly was calling me Jamaican. He thought I was from Jamaica. So he was just talking to me freely and, you know, no problem.

I spoke to him more, and I tell him, “Tell me the truth,” asking, “You saw the guy on the news?” He said, “Yes.” I said, “Where the guy from?” He tell me, he think from Grenada. And right away, I knew he was talking about me, because I was the only one from Grenada.

So I decided to ask him a few more questions. And I said, “So you tell the guy (INAUDIBLE) what happened to the girl?” He said, “No.” (INAUDIBLE) arrested on Thursday. I think a guy should be released that Friday, because, in their hearts, they know we were innocent.

He said a story being made up about dropping the girl of at a Holiday Inn, was all something being made up. He, and the Dutch guy, and the Dutch guy’s father, they sit and made up the story.

VAN SUSTEREN: The father, too?

JOHN: All of them. They made up…

VAN SUSTEREN: Did he specifically say — Deepak specifically say to you the father was part of that?

JOHN: Deepak told me that he and the family sit down and they made up the story.

VAN SUSTEREN: So family and not father?

JOHN: Well, I don’t know who the family consists of. But I know the father was involved, according to him. They made up the story, and they say that they didn’t drop the girl off, because they said they would give the police something to (INAUDIBLE) when somebody is missing in Aruba, they would find them a few days later by a crack house or with some beach bum or something.

Aruba newspaper editor Julia Renfro joined The Factor with the latest information on the case and the five men in custody. “The police told us that they have solid evidence against two of the men. The other three were considered as witnesses against those two men.”

dotratc on
July 6th, 2010 4:51 pm

Hate to say it but poster #3 is right on the money. Looks like the Aruban/Dutch justice system was right and Beth was wrong about the Kalpoes.
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SM: How was Beth wrong about the Kalpoes? In the beginning the Kalpoes admitted at all 3 had sex with Natalee. IMO, that is rape. Beth was right. The Joran and the Kalpoes are guilty of harming Natalee and kidnapping. Joran (likely with the help of his father) is guilty of disposing of her body. She was told they were taking her back to the hotel and they didn’t take her back, that is kidnapping. (klaasend)

Maggie on
July 6th, 2010 5:59 pm

Bas Brouwer on July 6th, 2010 9:34 am
Can’t compare the 2 cases, in Aruba local boys were suspects in the disappearance of a foreign girl and in Peru a foreigner is suspect in the murder of a local girl. No similarity period.

If Beth had pulled the same in Peru as she did in Aruba she’d receive the same (if not worse) treatment there.

Lastly calling a or the Kalpoes criminals is
libelous as those boys aren’t even suspects anymore in the disappearance of Natalee.
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And if the suspects pulled the same stunts they did in Aruba in the USA or Peru..they would be doing time..

Maybe you, the tooth fairy… someone waiting for pay off from Dr. Phil, and mr and mrs clueless, think the Kalpoes don’t know anything about what happened to Natalee Holloway..

Right from the very first night..before Beth and Jug arrived with the cops..before it was even public knowledge Natalee was gone, The Kalpoes, and Sloots knew they had to lie, lie fast..lie a lot.. to keep the actual truth of what happened to Natalee coming out..

PS: maybe you can tell the Kalpoes to get to the USA..and give depositions.. They’ve delayed and put off everytime.. Don’t seem to eager to come here. Ask them why they aren’t suing.. Dompig for saying they are guilty as hell, Steve Cohen for saying 2 of the 3 had sex with Natalee and expected them to be charged with rape and murder, or Joran for saying deepak raped and buried natalee.. Libelous? I wish Natalee’s family would slap them all with a big libel suit for all the lies and crap they have printed about them and Natalee.. including the Kalpoes.

Carpe on
July 6th, 2010 6:41 pm

Somehow I think the Kalpoe`s should be more worried about getting their heads shot off than worrying about libel or slander.

allan on
July 6th, 2010 9:02 pm

Aruba will always be known for its lawlessness! Nobody can get own this site a spout off a few words and change anything,especially bad mouthing Beth and saying she was wrong.

USS Yorktown on
July 6th, 2010 10:54 pm

Aruba is not too far from South America and likely is a staging area for drug runners and human smugglers. That place is likely more dangerous than people realize.

I wonder how the Kalpoes feel about Joran rotting away in a Peruvian jail?

loca on
July 6th, 2010 11:19 pm

Oh how true your words ring carpe

just1girl on
July 7th, 2010 6:09 am

It’s been 5 long years & we have yet to see justice for Natalee come out of Aruba. I took a cruise a year or so ago that my sister set up. I made sure the itinerary did NOT include Aruba. If it had, we either would have changed cruises or I would have stayed home. Nothing in this world could induce me to include Aruba in any of my travel plans. THAT is how I will honor Natalee all the days of my life.

Lisa in Maryland on
July 7th, 2010 10:55 am

Right On Maggie!!!!

#3 and #7 How Totally Clueless can you be in saying there are no comparison’s between these two cases.

Where there are No Comparisons is in the difference in the way the Case is being handled. I could make a list a mile long on that and it will ALWAYS come down to Freaking ARUBA is CURRUPT and did not bring JUSTICE where as PERU is making Damn Well Good and Sure that JUSTICE is served!

I wish the two of you #3 and #7 would get a Clue before your next post!

BOYCOTT ARUBA
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

VIVA PERU
JUSTICE FOR STEPHANY

MAY BOTH FAMILIES FIND PEACE!

Lisa in Maryland on
July 7th, 2010 10:59 am

As Far as the Kalpoes are concerned have you ever heard of aiding and abetting?????

Lisa in Maryland on
July 7th, 2010 11:38 am

Sven from previous post

To me, this is where the real world meets reality TV meets the cartoon network – meets video games and avatars – what is reality? How will our courts define it?

Our courts are so rule-of-law based, and antiquated, they simply can’t keep up with one-up-manship and game playing by individuals who have the advantage of being one step ahead. People like Joran have the advantage of spending their life as avatars in un-real worlds of championship.

The courts are sorely ill-equipped to compete with computer-generated challenges to their laws and system of laws.

Joran and other “avatars” can keep this type of game up for years and years without the case of murder seeing the light of day for a decade or more.
——–

Hi Sven, I’ve been away for a few days – came back to read this post – How Explicitly True that is!

He in his own mind becomes the Avatar “Villain” where as in real life he is the real human “Murderer”. But I wonder now, how he is dealing with his reality prison? It’s been something like 34 days now. What was the longest he was “detained” in the Holloway case? Does anyone remember?

Of course his reality cell is furnished with all the amenities to accommodate his stay but the detention for a world traveler must really be having some effect?

I too, do not want to see him dead because as long as he is alive there is a slightly vague opportunity for the truth of Natalee but for crying out loud, I wish they’d let the suffering begin. The suffering has been on this end of the stick far too long!

We need a Flip-Side!

super dave on
July 7th, 2010 1:02 pm

#7&3: so you two limp noodles enjoy protecting killers huh ? one day you boys are going to need help and you will be passed by. when you turd boys are picking up cigarette butts off the street
remember what i said. sounds like you are a couple of the dumpocrat punks giving blumkins to your fellow commies.

Lisa in Maryland on
July 7th, 2010 4:52 pm

Just and FYI #7 Beth was NOT WRONG about the Kalpoes! Those Skunks were knee deep in it! Just because the Islanders cover for currupt officals who destroy evidence to protect their own it doesn’t change the facts that they lied! They lied, The Family lied, the Officials lied. That whole island is full of nothing but Liars!

You either don’t know what you are talking about or you are one of them!

meemee on
July 7th, 2010 7:37 pm

bravo lisa, #7 must be lost this is not a place to praise the loser kalpoe brothers, their remarks about natalie and her mother still burn in my memory, what a crappy place aruba must be to have such things living there. i will never set foot on that island
JUSTICE FOR NATALIE
VIVA PERU, GOD BLESS STEPHANY

brie. on
July 7th, 2010 9:22 pm

Joran is never going to tell where Natalee is because then he admits he killed her and besides that this is his punishment to Beth.

I was listening to T.J. Ward (Beth’s private eye) on Dana’s last show, and he said some things that I had not heard.

I’ve never heard anyone mention that Paulus hired some Colombians with a boat to come pick Natalee up. Has anyone ever heard this before? He never explained if he thought Natalee was alive or not.

It’s just my personal opinion, but I think Paulus was a lot more involved than just getting a desperate “come help me daddy”, call. When Paulus said he had to go home that night to feed the two younger boys who were at home, I knew he was lying—cause they were with Anita, and not in Aruba. His time line doesn’t quite jive.

Another thing that T.J. Ward said was that he found out some things about the Kapoe brothers, and “they are not nice boys.” Not that any of us ever thought that they were, but does anyone specifically know what he was talking about?

He talked about a lot of people being afraid of Joran, because of his size. Personally, I don’t think Joran is going to intimidate just a whole lot of people, anyone of the boys from Alabama could have ripped him a new “you know what.” Being afraid of Joran, just doesn’t jive with me, maybe his Dad—I don’t know. What do you think?

If you haven’t listen to Dana’s last program, it is very enjoyable—maybe one of his best. The whole program is worthwhile.

Crossbow, I’m interested in your thoughts.

Jerry

redpetals12 on
July 7th, 2010 11:22 pm

Joran, his dad, the Kalpoes they all had a hand in what happened to Natalee. Wasn’t it Paulus who spoke those hiteous words “no body/no crime”…that’s a cover up! I can’t imagine any father thinking his son was the last person seen w/ a girl and this is all he had to say…as he sweat bullets in front of her parents…my dad would have been out there helping to find the girl! Joran’s mom knows more that what she admits too. what about “something bad happened”…and Joran said on an interview, he would someday tell what happened to Natalee. Aruba sucks, their justice system is non existence, and I would never go there. God Bless Natalee adn her family!

Maggie on
July 8th, 2010 2:45 pm

Waterboy,

I listened to that show when it was aired.. I too heard what T.J. said about the Kalpoes, but have no clue the things he was refering to. I was curious what he was talking about also.

We already know the Kalpoes aren’t nice “boys”.

Nadira and Anita tried to tell us Satish, Deepak and Joran were similar to choir boys. God’s gift to the women.. but their actions and words tell us they are anything but.

Nadira or Anita said what kind of girl gets in the car with 3 boys.. Who would say that about their sons? Instead of asking why 3 sons would go out at closing time and move in on an intoxicated girl.

Natalee was the good girl. She had a false sense of security surrounded by her friends. We can all be assured they lied to get her.. Joran told all kinds of sexual stuff to start with. Deepak told sexual stuff..When it was brought up that could be considered rape since they said she was very drunk.. the sex talk went away..no condom.. she was passing out and shaking..left on the beach alone, threw out to sea.. Like I said before, no evidence she was ever on the beach that night. Just these 3 liars word.

I remember too the night Beth and Jug went to the Sloots.. Paulus said he picked them up at 4am at Mcdonalds.. and then changed his time to like 10 the night before later on.

Wondering why none were ever charged as lying witnesses.. We were told in Aruba witnesses can’t lie.. Paulus lied.. Michael Dompig lied according to his father Gerald Dompig..and got Guido arrested… What about all the witnesses who came forward..Where did they go and if they lied are they all doing time? They all disappeared like everything else. Poof… Paulus pre meditated murder..Guido heavy battery..

Birmingham, Al (WIAT) The grieving mothers of Stephany Flores and Natalee Holloway can’t visit their daughters. The mother of the man accused in Flores murder and Holloway’s disappearance says she’ll pass on the chance to visit her Joran in prison.

Anita van der Sloot told the Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf she has no plans to visit her son in Lima’s notorious Castro Castro prison where he is fighting charges he murdered 21 year old Peruvian student Stephany Flores. Flores was killed five years after Mountain Brook teenager Natalee Holloway disappeared on a graduation trip to Aruba. The common link….Joran van der Sloot was the last person each girl was seen with.

After Joran left for Peru, Anita van der Sloot found a note from her son that said, “I’m gone, do not worry.” The next time she saw him, he was on TV in handcuffs.

She still maintains his innocence in the disappearance and presumed death of Natalee Holloway, but admits that, “Stephany, he may have killed.”

If I worked for the FBI I would follow up on one of these 4 scenarios. If you have a minute rate them 1-10 with 10 being the most likely.

I took the liberty of these two assumptions
A. By 4 am Paulus knew that NH was a forensic liability and Joran/Paulus would be ruined by discovery.
B. Paulus first instinct as a lawyer would be to distance Joran from NH, get busy with Joran’s alibi and take care of the body himself.

Scenario 1:Forensic evidence is violence by Joran. Paulus gets help hiding the body by someone with whom he had illegal dealings before. He couldn’t check the yellow pages for a man for hire. The consequences of even a very close friend saying no were too risky. In this scenario he must share that NH is dead. His ability to buy time to cover tracks implies he had inside help. The silence of Deepak and Satish is more likely motivated by fear of a criminal ring than by money. Paulus untimely death is very suspicious.
What was Paulus involved in before 2005 that gave him these types of advantages? If this can be solved, maybe the fear element can be removed to allow Satish and Deepak to tell where they left off NH , what condition she was in, and what Paulus said in his coaching meetings.

2. Forensic evidence violence by Joran. In scenario 2 Paulus hides the body himself but gets extra time from LE based on a drunk American tourist girl vs. the good ole boys. Beth and Jug’s behavior ( not a criticism mind you) could have fueled a campaign to accuse anyone but Joran just to make the Twittys wrong. In this scenario Paulus convinced LE that NH died accidently, ( in the very beginning maybe they did not realize that what they were covering for was death) and they were willing to look the other way protect one of their own. Someone simply sympathetic looks the other way, but they don’t lend their boat or run out for a lobster trap.

Scenario 3 . The forensic evidence is sexual. Must be a person who could not be passed off as a consensual sex partner.
If the evidence was sexual Joran could easily pass as consensual, Satish and Deepak could say she was drunk and Paulus wouldn’t care about them anyway.
Roofie + DNA of Joran + Coma= disposal with dealer
Paulus DNA + memory/coma = disposal with dealer
Paulus DNA +van der Stratten DNA + memory/coma = disposal plus a head start

Scenario 4 .Bad drug reaction / fear of drug dealer. Joran could have shared drugs with NH. This would cover Roofie + Joran+ coma. NH has bad reaction. Fearful of retribution by drug dealer Joran consults father. Paulus fears what drug dealer will do if exposed by Joran via NH. Paulus more afraid of drug dealer and drug ring than litigation and hiding body. Could even appeal to drug dealer for help hiding body.

Waterboy
IF these Columbians exist, they are part of whatever Paulus was doing before NH. I would love to know what basis Dana has for suspecting this, telephone records, what. This would support #1.

Lisa in Maryland on
July 8th, 2010 11:53 pm

Gutfeeling,
Great Scenarios. Paulus would know all of the scum on the island he was a practicing attorney and a substitute judge having passed the test. However, the one person whom I think could have been the one to help Paulus dispose of the body would be his first son who is a supposedly known drug dealer in Aruba and who better to trust!

He may have had to hide the body for a short while to pull it off but with Van der Stratten being Joran’s God Father I’m sure that also was with great ease for him!

Thus, the no body – no crime statement before anyone really knew what happened!

I also think you are correct about the Kalpoes silence steming from fear of a drug dealer. Makes a lot of sense!

There are so many connections to Paulus and I wouldn’t be one bit surprised if it wasn’t Van der Stratten himself who came up with the Let’s frame the hotel guards deal. Only that wasn’t going to fly with Beth! She knew they were lying and she wasn’t going to let it go! Thus forcing Van der Stratten to take action on the boys while at the same time destroying any evidence and getting rid of any possible witnesses.

Gerald Dompig was a tool – He did what he was told but I think he really wanted to turn them in because of the things he let slip. Like asking Beth if Natalee ever had a sezure or by being the first to say that Natalee was dead.

That Whole Island runs on Fear, Curruption & Lies!

BOYCOTT ARUBA ~ JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

Lisa in Maryland on
July 9th, 2010 12:01 am

Waterboy are you sure the Van der Sloot brothers were with Anita? I looked around to day for references because I thought that too and it always comes up in my mind how they could be there and not know anything but I noticed in all interviews Anita said “I” was in the Netherland’s for my mothers birthday. Not We?

I think Valentijn and Sabestian were in Aruba but I could be wrong. Valentijn was (15) and Sabestian (10) at the time. I just can’t imagine that they were there and didn’t know anything was up.

Gutfeeling on
July 9th, 2010 1:43 am

Waterboy and LIsa
I remember the reports at the time (unofficial) placed the boys in the Van der Sloot home at the time of NH disappearance. Paulus allegedly picked them up from a family friend after the poker match.

There were never any references to questioning. Paulus probably wrapped up some pretty tight paper work to keep them out of the picture.

So Lisa, you think scenario #4 is the most likely with Joran as the drug dealer and the one who helped Paulus hide the body.

Gutfeeling, Lisa.
I really have to wipe off the cobwebs on this one. As I recall, at first, I didn’t know there were two younger brothers, because the first I heard was that Anita was at home in the Netherlands with Joran’s “younger brother”, so at the time I thought there was only one brother.

Honestly, I don’t know how the Sloots could afford all this air travel. It’s in a word “expensive”; and there are no visible means to support all the travel they did, unless the flights were on someone else’s dime or there is some other means of income not accounted for.

Of course, I could be wrong about the boys or boy being with Anita. I’ll give my self a 40% chance of being wrong.

So much has disappeared from the Internet. I don’t have the time-line anymore, and I can’t find it, or the 700 pages. I’m on my 3rd laptop since this all started. The first one was just replace because of age, and the second one, that I trusted too much, crashed and I lost a lot.

It would be to Paulus and Joran’s advantage if the boys were perceived to be there, so who knows. This definitely should have been investigated, and if they were there, the time they were pickup and who they were with, should have been noted.

Any father who would allow, or perhaps tolerated his 17 year old son drinking, gambling, and doing other “adult” things, would probable not worry about a 10 and 15 year old being at home alone. I will admit someone has done an outstanding job of insulating them. I don’t even know what they look like.

It’s been reported that Joran “ruled the roost” from an early age. If he had been my son, the answer to everything would have been “no”. One or both of us would have been a continual bloody mess.

The Columbians—absolutely, there had to be a previous “illegal” connection, the family income was definitely supplemented in some way or ways.

Birmingham, Al (WIAT) Just when you thought the story couldn’t get any more weird comes this story courtesy of Radio Netherlands Worldwide.

Apparently there are plenty of people in The Netherlands who are tired of Joran van der Sloot drawing more worldwide attention than the Dutch soccer team in the World Cup.

According to the Dutch newspaper AD, thousands of people are going online to play judge, jury and executioner in online games run by roundgames.com.

The ‘game’ allows players to torture Van der Sloot with electric shocks until he confesses to the murder of Stephany Flores.

Roundgames director Tijmen Crone tells the paper “no, it is not too gruesome or offensive. Far worse things happen to other famous people in internet games. I thought it would be really fun to do something with all the publicity surrounding the case”.

Bert de Rooij, one of van der Sloot’s lawyers said “it’s evidence of a very sick mind”.

There’s another ironic statement since van der Sloot is currently undergoing psychiatric evaluation in the Peruvian prison where he’s being held for the murder of Flores, a 21 year old student.

Van der Sloot is accused of killing her five years to the day after Mountain Brook’s Natalee Holloway disappeared on a graduation trip to Aruba. She was last seen in the company of Joran van der Sloot.

Lawyers for suspected killer Joran van der Sloot are trying to take advantage of a Peruvian legal loophole to get him sprung out of jail, RadarOnline.com can reveal.
…………………………………………..Hey joran,didn’t anyone tell you.that rule is for citizens of aruba only,OOPS,I meant,citizens of peru.thats right,you have to be a resident of that country to be eligible.didn’t your dream team tell you.oh joe,hiding in the back ground.this ain’t gonna be easy is it.

krieton on
July 9th, 2010 2:52 pm

I almost forgot joran.HA-HA-HAA

Lisa in Maryland on
July 9th, 2010 6:01 pm

I must state that this is strictly IMO – The media has provided us thousands of articles and reports on the case, each with a glimmer of truth. Piecing the puzzle together is a crap shoot at best especially considering all the lies Joran has told to contaminate the truth!

Here’s my take:

I think Paulus was corrupt as the day is long and way before the Holloway case. I think he was leading a double life. One as a con man at the casinos preying on tourists and one as a lawyer practicing law and a “Substitute Judge” in Aruba. He was living on both sides of the law which speaks loudly for his character. I think as Joran was getting older he was pulling him into that life by having him assist at the casinos while at the same time affording him protection as an authority figure. Joran in turn was inviting his friends (Deepak and Satish Kalpoe) in on the action.

It is allegedly reported that Paulus had another son before he married Anita named Lorenzo Van Rijn. Lorenzo allegedly has ties to a Columbian Drug Cartel, owns a cigarette boat, lives in the largest house on Aruba and may also have a double identity AKA: Jaime Carrasquilla.

Aruba is well known for being a half-way point for the Drug Cartel and also its Crack houses. The Authorities look the other way and the islanders accept it as a way of life. I think it is a situation where everyone knows a little bit of truth here and a little bit of truth there but dare not speak of it because family, friends and drug traffickers’ are involved. IMO ARUBA = ONE SCARED LITTLE ISLAND with a lot of illegal activity that no one will speak of out of pure fear. It’s a very small island!

Connecting the Dots:

Anita goes to the Netherlands for her mother’s birthday.
Paulus goes on the prowl at the casinos
Paulus finds his prey – tourists from the Mountain Brook Graduation Trip
Paulus single out Natalee
Paulus then let’s Joran take over
Joran befriends the group of girls who ask him about party spots
Joran mentions Carlos & Charles knowing they will go there (he has a VIP pass)
Being naive the girls invite Joran to join them (which makes it easier for him to mingle with their group)
Joran calls Deepak and Satish to get in on the action
They Party at Carlos and Charlie’s
Joran slips drugs into Natalee’s drink (drugs easily obtainable through his supposed half brother Lorenzo)
Joran and K2 and Natalee leave Carlos and Charlie’s ( In Deepak’s Car)
They take Natalee to Joran’s House (his apartment)
Joran’s younger brothers Valentijn (15) and Sebastiaan (10) are asleep in the main house
Joran & K2 proceed to have sex with Natalee (She is unwilling and a rape insues)
She’s drunk, drugged, her heart races as she fights them off, she hits her head and she goes into a seizure
Natalee Dies
Joran has blood on his shoe from Natalee’s head injury
Paulus either partook in the rape or was called to the apartment after the fact
Paulus sends the Kalpoes (who are scared shitless at this point) home in fear
Joran and K2 start making phone calls & computer entries to form an alibi
Paulus calls Lorenzo for help in disposing of the body & Joran’s shoe
Paulus calls Jan Van der Stratten (Joran’s Godfather) to help cover
**Van der Stratten gives an order for boats not be patrolled that night
Paulus and Lorenzo take Natalee’s body & Joran’s shoe to the boat
Lorenzo takes Natalee out to sea to dump her or to another island to bury her
Paulus returns home

Connecting the Dots on the Next 9 days…

Paulus and Van der Stratten confer and come up with the Holiday Inn Story figuring they can find a couple of scapegoats if necessary to delay.
Paulus advises Joran and K2 of Holiday Inn Story & “No body – No Crime”
Joran and K2 go exploring the island curious as to what Paulus did with Natalee’s body
Beth arrives in Aruba and starts inquiring
Dave arrives in Aruba
Beth & Dave find that Natalee was last seen with Joran and K2
Beth & Dave show up in Aruba at the Van der Sloot home
Joran returns home dirty from exploring to find Beth and Dave at his home
Joran plays it off as he didn’t even know the girl and performs the Holiday Inn Story
Dave continues to ask questions
Joran brazenly taunts Dave describing Private information about Natalee’s Panties and upsets Dave
Paulus sends Beth & Dave away as things got heated
Beth & Dave Leave
—-Paulus tells Joran Natalee was dumped into the sea
Beth and Dave continue the search and show up at the Police station
They are sent to the station at the other end of the island
Van der Stratten asks Dave how much money he has – thinking (personal gain on the situation)
Van der Stratten , Gerald Dompig’s Supervisor advises Dompig on how to handle the investigation
Frosted Flakes Incident & Dompig asks Beth if Natalee ever had seizures
Beth & Dave are sent on Wild Goose Chase through Crack Houses
Van der Stratten has Micky John (30) and Abraham Jones (28) detained on suspicion (the scapegoats)
Van der Stratten and Paulus use the time to gain control of the situation and destroy any remaining evidence
K2 carwash
Now that there are suspects Aruban Attorney General Karen Janssen shows on the scene
Karen Janssen finds no reason to hold Micky John and Abraham Jones
Karen Janssen orders Van der Stratten to release Micky John and Abraham Jones
Beth and Dave used the Media to Push Hard on the Situation
—-June 9 – Karen Janssen requires Van der Stratten to arrest and detain Joran & K2 for questioning
Paulus’ Pig Sweat Performance & Anita’s Denial
Van der Stratten destroys Joran’s Original statement
Lorenzo has Steve Croes (Tatoo Party Boat DJ – who probably owed Lorenzo money) go to the Police Station to give a statement as witness to the Holiday Inn Story and provide Joran with an Alibi.
June 17 – Karen Janssen orders Van der Stratten to detain Steven Crows for further Questioning.
Caren Janssen starts adding things up and knows Paulus is somehow involved
June 23 – Karen Janssen requires Van der Stratten to arrest and detain Paulus for Questioning ( Imagine that!)
June 30 – Karen Janssen makes statement to Press that she could prosecute a case in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway even if the Alabama teenager’s body is not found. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161179,00.html

Karen Janssen is getting too close & posses a threat so someone pulls strings to have her removed from the case (probably a payoff from Paulus and Lorenzo to someone in power in the Neitherlands)

That’s just the first 30 days – Everything Spirals for the Next 5 yrs!

Joran’s lies through approx 28 different confessions. Additional suspects are pulled in and interviewed Jeffery Von Cromfit More Lies, Lot’s of Interviews, More Lies! More Lies! More Lies!

Hans Mos replaces Karen Janssen as prosecutor by this time all evidence is destroyed and information is twisted.
Everything is so Blown out of Preportion, No Body – No Crime

****Joran only knows what Paulus told him – Natalee was dumped into the sea and that may or may not be true!

vhj on
July 9th, 2010 6:42 pm

well,well.looky what we have here.lie’n joe goes on vacation……news-12619-law-order-peru-van-der-sloots-defense-tries-release-him

Imagine that the Taco is going to Peru! Some people will do anything for a buck!

Gutfeeling on
July 10th, 2010 8:44 am

vhj
Thank you for the link. This is very interesting. It is suspected that Tacopina inserted himself into this case for an opportunity to be on TV. The TV stations were eager to include him in broadcasts because casted as a slimeball lawyer Tacopina is heaven sent. The media uses Tacopina to represent the legal community like they use the Gosselins to represent parenthood. There is big money in this market segment.

More like spoiled rotten milk and it just occured to me that the similarity in the English word Letch and the Spanish word for milk Letche.

Lisa in Maryland on
July 10th, 2010 9:01 pm

Taco has a snowballs chance in Peru of ever getting Joran out of this one! The saying goes: If the shoe fits wear it and this time the shoe is on the other foot! Lot’s of shoe problems in this story! At this moment I’d pretty much like to stick Joran’s Missing Shoe up Taco’s ARSS!

You’re Not In Aruba Anymore!

Linda on
July 11th, 2010 9:20 am

Joran’s brother Valentijn is a college student in Boston, USA. You can google info on him.

nancyk9 on
July 11th, 2010 2:26 pm

Wasn’t Tacopina John Gotti’s attorney – and maybe some some other mafia fellows?