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Re: Signs of declining economic security

Originally Posted by j-mac

Was this the change you liberal progressives were waiting for? Was this the plan? All this talk, and excuse making for a failed liberal agenda of bringing all boats down in the name of "fairness" is bull****! We are NOT better off with Obama in office! We are NOT recovering under his administration, because that was never the plan. We are in decline, ushered in, and sped up by this progressive trash in the WH for the purpose of bringing this country down, because he can't stand what our place in the world was.

Don't agree with me? I couldn't care less! IF all you want to do is attack, then do us all a favor and don't post in this thread. If you want to discuss the conclusion of the AP report, then I am listening.

Hey your wrong, because they added a whole 195,000 jobs a couple months ago. I mean come on, we growing our GDP at 2% per year......that's staggering; especially when you compare it to China's 7%. Oh wait.......

"He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
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Re: Signs of declining economic security

Originally Posted by trfjr

supply and demand dictates price and pay
when we have people stop wanting to be policeman fireman and soldiers because the pay isn't worth the risk then the pay would rise to make it worth the risk to be a policeman fireman and soliders

I'd go one step further, and say that in addition to risk not being worth reward, I'd say that the prospect of working, and risking to give up half of your labor is just not worth it.

Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.
Alexis de Tocqueville

Re: Signs of declining economic security

Yes, but then Congress (you know the
house that controls the purse and is GOP dominate) could defund ObamaCare if they REALLY wanted to. They don't. What does that say about the GOP?

That's been happening for decades. While I think Obama has done worse, it's no excuse for the morons that elected Bush twice. I think the last president I actually had respect for was Bush Senior and I hated his policies, but I respected the man.

I'll leave the Bush hatred to the simpletons who were so maleable they bought into all of the false narratives used by the Democrats to define his Presidency.

Now 5 years in, as those same Democats blame the Collapse of the Democrat mandated Sub-Prime bubble on Bush, or keep bringing up the two wars which were sent through Congress First, we are currently borrowing and printing just ti stay afloat.

Obama's economy is held up entirely with trillions in QE and its his bigest lie yet.

Instead of admitting failure, he is borrowing and printing to lesson the effects of his economic failure. He's ling since given up on a " recovery".

Your average Obama voter doesn't care because they'retoo stupid to know but the rest of realize that this perpetual QE and Borrowing guarantees that one day, we're going to hqve reconcile with the 8 years of Liberal stupidity and its not going to be pretty.

Re: Signs of declining economic security

Originally Posted by TheNextEra

Again, doesn't change the fact that people view life less than playing a football game. That is ****ed up, no matter how you spin it. The only example you have provided is greed and shows how ****ed up society really is.

its not greed it is how the market works. when prices go down is it because someone became less greedy? no. it is because either the supply increased and or the demand decreased.
the same thing happens with pay when you have a big demand for policeman fireman and soldiers with a limited supply then the pay goes up to attract more to become one

Re: Signs of declining economic security

Originally Posted by TheNextEra

I'm quite certain your definition of success and mine are different. Yes, I am successful by my definition which means I have a loving family, good quality of life (by my definition), and good friends. No, I am not rich, but I'm happy. What is your definition of success?

Ok, that's fair...Let me redefine...You're not "rich" right? But you live a comfortable life am I right?

Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.
Alexis de Tocqueville

Re: Signs of declining economic security

Originally Posted by American

Hey your wrong, because they added a whole 195,000 jobs a couple months ago. I mean come on, we growing our GDP at 2% per year......that's staggering; especially when you compare it to China's 7%. Oh wait.......

Yeah, plus I seem to be reading that we would be doing so much better if the wealthy, and corporations would only stop being "greedy" and give up their profits to those people that had no stake in creating that wealth, as though they are entitled to it.

Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.
Alexis de Tocqueville

Re: Signs of declining economic security

Originally Posted by TheNextEra

Again, society feels a life is less worth than a game. That is a ****ed up society no matter how you try to spin it and it knows no political ideology on that one. It only knows greed. Greed is worth more than life in this society.

With respect, that's nonsense. The greed is on the part of the middle class and those who used to make up the middle class believing that they had a right to have it all, deserved to have it all and with attitudes like I'm just as important as a movie star or an athlete so I should get paid the same as they do. That's socialist drivel and it's propogated by the likes of Obama who constantly harp on the successful and wealthy not being deserving of what they have and the less fortunate deserving to take from the rich for their own benefit.

There was a time in America when people in the middle class or the working poor looked upon the lives of the successful and the wealthy as something to aspire to, they saw how some people, through their own talent, hard work, ingenuity, gained success and wealth for themselves and their family. They didn't look on the successful as somehow being crooks or frauds or people who don't deserve what they have. They didn't look at their own lives and say I want a government that gives me everything and takes nothing from me to pay for it - take if from that rich guy, he's got more than he needs and doesn't deserve it anyway.

The American dream used to be that anyone, through hard work and discipline, could succeed and prosper. Now, the dream is the biggest government check you can get each month. Some of the most successful people in America today are new Americans, immigrants from much harder lives in less fortunate countries, and they see the promise America has and they work hard to succeed. They know sitting on your ass and expecting your entitlements gets you nowhere. My generation and the generation we have raised are net takers and that's what's causing the decline of economic security in our societies today.

"Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

Re: Signs of declining economic security

Originally Posted by Fenton

I'll leave the Bush hatred to the simpletons who were so maleable they bought into all of the false narratives used by the Democrats to define his Presidency.

Now 5 years in, as those same Democats blame the Collapse of the Democrat mandated Sub-Prime bubble on Bush, or keep bringing up the two wars which were sent through Congress First, we are currently borrowing and printing just ti stay afloat.

Obama's economy is held up entirely with trillions in QE and its his bigest lie yet.

Instead of admitting failure, he is borrowing and printing to lesson the effects of his economic failure. He's ling since given up on a " recovery".

Your average Obama voter doesn't care because they'retoo stupid to know but the rest of realize that this perpetual QE and Borrowing guarantees that one day, we're going to hqve reconcile with the 8 years of Liberal stupidity and its not going to be pretty.

There is no Bush hatred in my comments, only facts. Under Bush the economy got worse than when Clinton was president. Just as with Obama, the economy has gotten worse than Bush. I've criticzed Obama plenty.

The average "Obama" voter is no different than the average "GOP" voter. Both sides think "their" guys are the solution. They aren't, they are the problem.

Re: Signs of declining economic security

Originally Posted by CanadaJohn

With respect, that's nonsense. The greed is on the part of the middle class and those who used to make up the middle class believing that they had a right to have it all, deserved to have it all and with attitudes like I'm just as important as a movie star or an athlete so I should get paid the same as they do. That's socialist drivel and it's propogated by the likes of Obama who constantly harp on the successful and wealthy not being deserving of what they have and the less fortunate deserving to take from the rich for their own benefit..

So you feel risking your life is less than playing football? Let's just clear that up right now before I comment on the rest of what you said.