Just saw this thread as well Nate. My kids are in Awanas, and we use to do the pine box derby as well. Its alot of fun doing this with the kids. Their meets are never very big, around 40-50 cars, but we've always done very well. I did this alot as a kid, so I know the ins, and outs of making them fast, so we usually do very well in the speed department. We haven't been doing them for the last couple years, but I think we may start again. Go job Nate!