Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Asked if he thought the same of the God of the Koran, Dawkins ducked the question, saying: "Well, um, the God of the Koran I don't know so much about."

How can it be that the world's most fearless atheist, celebrated for his strident opinions on the Christian and Jewish Gods, could profess to know so little about the God of the Koran? Has he not had the time? Or is Professor Dawkins simply demonstrating that most crucial trait of his species: survival instinct.

Whoops. It’s funny how these confident, cocksure prophets of atheism-who barely have time to take a breath between slamming the tenets of Christianity and Judaism-often get curiously tongue-tied and shy when the subject of Islam comes up. The idea that Dawkins doesn’t “know so much about” the God of the Koran is absurd. Of course he knows about Islam. And the same disdain and disregard that he has for Judaism and Christianity should surely apply to Islam as well.

The truth is that bashing and mocking Judaism and Christianity is easy and painless. You’ll get praise and admiration from those within the “right” circles of academia, media, and entertainment. Your opponents will argue with and debate your views and they may even offer (gasp) to pray for you. There’s no real price to pay at all.

PZ did attack a defenseless Koran, so maybe he is one up on Dawkins. As long as the words can't fight back, he will "debate" them. Of course the comments section of his blog, like the many legs of an octopus, have lots of suckers. And what do suckers do (trick word question)?

Giraffe: Atheists are chicken. It is science.Instead of asking which came first, here we have a quantum superposition of a chicken and egg-head. The latter half-baked or soft-boiled. Perhaps fertilized, but not in the sense of procreation.

I can't shake the feeling that Dawkins is going to embrace some sort of religion in the coming years. Not necessarily Christianity, but some kind of new age, "pick-and-choose" bastardized faith. Maybe paganism or indeed Islam, albeit in a very butchered, watered down style.

I'm not a real big fan of Islam. Especially after they forced South Park to take down Mohammed with his powers of flame from the Super Best Friends episode. Free speech? Heard of it? Or is that a white Christian thing?

I'm also getting a little tired of them in western cities directing western behavior regarding alcohol.

Either assimilate, or get the Hell out. This is not Burger King, you don't get to "have it your way."

Whoops. It’s funny how these confident, cocksure prophets of atheism-who barely have time to take a breath between slamming the tenets of Christianity and Judaism-often get curiously tongue-tied and shy when the subject of Islam comes up.

Do they slam Judaism? I know they have been attacking Christianity and Christians for a long time, but I don't think they attack Judaism and Jews. I don't think that would be good for their careers.

Liberal and especially liberal atheist reluctance to criticize Islam is one part fear for their lives and another part fear of being called racist because most Muzzies aren't white and most liberal atheists are.

That said, the first fear basically comes from racism (at least their definition of it) so I'm left to laugh at how that bit of cognitive dissonance has to be constantly rationalized to fit with their second fear.

You'll notice they usually do it by saying they hate "all religion" when you know the truth is they just hate Christianity. Note that the comments section in a terrorist story is "I hate religion!" but the comments section in a story about some Christianity related crime is always "I hate bible thumpers!"

There is nothing wrong in asking public personas their opinion on Islam, since they are enjoying the freedom bought with the lives of many. Islam is antithesis to freedom, so it is valid to ask them where they stand on this issue.

But I have long believed that Islam and progressives are both enjoying the game of pushing and prodding Christians. Part of their genetic makeup.

I thought the atheist argument was that they didn't need to know anything about a theological tradition before pronouncing judgment. Wasn't insisting that they know something about it before they open their mouths supposed to be a species of fallacy they called the courtiers reply?

The one area in which Dawkins has shown some backbone is in not caving to the extreme feminist wing of the internet atheist world, typified by PZ Myers and Atheism Plus. He hasn't exactly faced them down directly, but he's occasionally mocked them from afar, and they've declared him an enemy of the state. Which is something, I suppose.

28-year-old of Somali origin? What is he doing in Denmark in the first place? After the sentence is served in a Danish prison... Deported. Immediately. And forever. Also any first-degree family members are then barred entry to Denmark.

Dawkins may avoid criticizing Islam out of fear, but many leftist atheists give Islam a pass because they see Muslims as an oppressed minority. By virtue of that, Muslims are as exempt from criticism as any other minority. As I've noted elsewhere, political considerations seem to trump religious ones for atheists of all stripes.

"There is no reason to change the 10-year prison sentence,” Denmark’s highest court ruled, stressing that Mohamed Geele, who attacked cartoonist Kurt Westergaard at his home on January 1, 2010 with an axe, was guilty of “attempted terrorism”.

The court also confirmed that once he has served his sentence the now 30-year-old Somali citizen would be expelled from Denmark and banned from ever returning."

Oh good, Denmark. You did something right.

This is where you went wrong though:

Geele, who has been living in the Scandinavian country since he was 14 and has a wife and four young children there, had appealed his sentence to the Supreme Court, insisting the attack had nothing to do with terrorism and that he had only been trying to frighten Westergaard.

Wife, children, gone.

Pack your shit, get out Denmark. Send me a postcard from Norway, Sweden, or Finland.

"Dawkins doesn't do it for the same reason the brave, gay, cutting edge, R-Rated, 30 yr. old Hunky Jesus contest in San Francisco doesn't do Hunky Mohamed: he enjoys breathing."

Have some fun next Easter. Make a duplicate Hunky Jesus stage somewhere else in SF. From the fake stage livestream video of Hunky Mohammeds fornicating with Hunky Jesus. Be sure to have a fake reporter on hand talking about the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. Have the Hunky Mohammed actors say nasty things about Mohammed and dare Muslims to "come down and do something about it". Make sure a fake reporter gives the location as the actual park where the Hunky Jesus festival is held. Then send emails to all the local Muslim Societies with a link to the live video feed. It should only take an hour or so for all hell to beak loose at the Hunky Jesus Festival as hot young enraged Muslim men converge on the queens from all over the Bay Area.

Hahaha. One could just make a fake video not dissimilar in spirit to the one the Egyptian ex-pat made that inflamed so many salafi nuthatches in the Middle East.

Hunky Mohamed. If that got on youtube, watch how fast GLAAD would mysteriously and suddenly do an about face on the idea of ridiculing religion. They'd be whining about how they in no way endorse the video and please don't blow us up cuz the enemy of my enemy is the Crusader Christian blooddrinking neo-colonialist vampires. Remember, gays never invaded the Middle East. Straight men did.

@Mudz (And isn't the 'Muslim God' supposed to have the same history as the Judaeo-Christian God? They believe Jesus to be a prophet, and the Old and New Testament containing divine revelation.)

Yet they reject the entire subject of the gospel. (Christ dying for the sins of the world) Indeed, even confessing that Christ is the son of god is the most grievous and unforgivable sin in Islam "shirk". I'll leave it to you to reckon why they would claim they believe the NT has divine revelation while rejecting it's entire subject matter.

It would seem that a few well publicized killings by quasi-Christian fanatics might change these clowns' thinking. Sure there would be a backlash, but what conservative and RINOs don't grasp is that libby and fairy dust goblins punch like girls. Muslims have seen the Euro and Bush responses to their "activities" and in general don't care. Their high birthrates and mujahadeen mentality eventually will win out.

As a Christian I cannot condone violent actions, but the realist in me understands the value of it.

Byzantine --- even an illiterate Muslim-hater can see that you are way off. Islam has far more practices and required duties than most any of these Churchian a holes, with far more dire consequences for disobedience.

All an American Churchian has to do nowadays is go to a mega church once in a blue moon, sip coffee with hipsters, while listening to some "preacher" in an Affliction t-shirt spew rainbow love for gays and unicorns. They then can go home and vote for Obama -- abortion on demand, gay marriage, and splurge on all the consumer filth and tv trash they like with no judgements. They can divorce whenever they want, get drunk whenever, chase sluts, etc. and still call themselves Christians.

A Muslim has many issues, but "adopting Muslim customs/practices" most certainly will not allow the atheist to feel very much like an atheist....

Now you tell me perhaps why the West is hated so much and why we are most certain to lose.

Atheist that live in the West pretty much have taken up Christian customs/practices while still being atheist at heart. There hatred of Christianity has less to do with religous fanaticsm and more do to with rebelling against the moral code that says there butt piracy is an abomination.

Churchians can call themselves whatever they want...but they can't escape the Cross either.

Bow to mecca, pay your taxes, do the rituals, follow their laws.... and congrats, you're a Muslim. Or enough of one they won't drop a wall on your head. Doesn't matter what you believe or not. That is what makes Churchians-- and atheists-- ideal converts (see the Muslim takeover of the Byzantines...a whole empire of churchians...swing a sword around and they converted en masse)....

Only Christ demands total obediance. Heart, mind and deed. Which is why Chruchians, Muslims and atheist fear Him, and will do most anything to avoid facing the gospel...

"Have the Hunky Mohammed actors say nasty things about Mohammed and dare Muslims to "come down and do something about it". Make sure a fake reporter gives the location - send emails to all the local Muslim Societies with a link to the live video feed. It should only take an hour or so for all hell to break loose..."

Dammit! Why didn't we think of that?...

Lee, take note. Write down as memo for the next agitprop roundtable with Team Sandy Hook. Idiots botched the last job, and they're gonna need pointers for how to do this kind of thing effectively... Huh? What? Of course it's gold - given most of the media's made up of Ariana Huffington Sex-In-The-City types, they'll latch onto a swarm of sweaty homos being killed halal-style on Their Own Private Idaho, and much more zealously, than a bunch of white kids simply being targeted by... What? Yeah, it's statistical: Career woman tend towards being fag-hag advocates and chihuahoid caretakers more so than motherhood or noisy-assed children. Besides, fags make for better legislative meat as well as workable future patsies, so it's a win-wi... Ah, no no, I didn't mean you, Alec... I mean, Lee.

From an interview with Penn Jillette:Are there any groups you won’t go after? - We haven’t tackled Scientology because Showtime doesn’t want us to. Maybe they have deals with individual Scientologists —- I’m not sure. And we haven’t tackled Islam because we have families.

Meaning, you won’t attack Islam because you’re afraid it’ll attack back - Right, and I think the worst thing you can say about a group in a free society is that you’re afraid to talk about it—I can’t think of anything more horrific. [...]

You do go after Christians, though - Teller and I have been brutal to Christians, and their response shows that they’re good fucking Americans who believe in freedom of speech. We attack them all the time, and we still get letters that say, “We appreciate your passion. Sincerely yours, in Christ.” Christians come to our show at the Rio and give us Bibles all the time. They’re incredibly kind to us. Sure, there are a couple of them who live in garages, give themselves titles and send out death threats to me and Bill Maher and Trey Parker. But the vast majority are polite, open-minded people, and I respect them for that.

That's actually a self-consistent point of view, as Buddhism doesn't require belief in a Supreme Being. I consider it a philosophy rather than a religion.

Th problem is the Bodhisattvas or people like Vajrayogini act like deities, and the Maitreya Buddha is considered a future savior. Even the Theravadin branch of Buddhism requires a belief in Samsara and the Wheel of Life, with Hells, Hungry Ghosts, Gods, and Demi-Gods.

"The truth is that bashing and mocking Judaism and Christianity is easy and painless."

Yeah, right.Bashing Judaism will bring the wrath of golden calf worshippers from the likes of the ADL down upon you.. Bashing Christianity will give you the opportunity to host the worship of a golden idol- in human form.Conflating the two is just plain ignorant.

Mudz February 27, 2013 8:20 PM(And isn't the 'Muslim God' supposed to have the same history as the Judaeo-Christian God? They believe Jesus to be a prophet, and the Old and New Testament containing divine revelation.)

yes and no. Muslims call Christians and Jews 'people of the book', along with themselves. all others they consider pagan.

however, they accuse both Christians and Jews of having falsified their respective testaments and accuse both populations of apostasy.

the penalty in Sharia for apostasy is death.

Muslims say that Jesus was a prophet and that he did miracles BUT that he did not die on the cross and he was not the Son of God. they say Allah clouded peoples minds and rescued Jesus from the cross, allowing the observers to believe he had died on it.

as for the Jewish question, they claim that the OT covenant with Isaac is a lie promulgated by the Jews and that the covenant actually goes to Ishmael as he is the eldest child.

Well, the God of the Koran is a determinist, like the atheists. Minimalist deists only give God credit for being the prime mover. If you strip out the social aspect of Islam, practically there's no difference between Islam and atheism. Free will is an illusion, everything that happens is Allah's will or the determination of atomic and subatomic particle interactions.

Mudz February 28, 2013 4:12 AMOr was it all from Muhammad getting slapped around by Gabriel in the desert?

Islam is very much patterned after Judaism. there is a hierarchy of authority.

1 - the Koran, which is deemed to be the infallible and incontrovertible word of Allah as relayed to Mohammed, syllable for syllable. they don't even really like for it to be translated as they say that Arabic is the language of Allah and translations introduce errors. ( if it wasn't clear previously, the Arabs consider themselves descendants of Ishmael )

2 - the Hadith, or sayings of Mohammed, which are used to interpret the Koran, the holy word of Allah

3 - Sharia is the encrustation of Islamic law built up off of the first two levels of authority and it is from the Sharia judges that 'fatwa' ( Islamic legal opinion ) are issued. out here in the Dar el-Harb, the fatwa we normally hear about are when the qadis issue a fatwa for the death of one or another infidel.

Habakkuk 1:6 For, see, I raise up the Chaldeans, that bitter and hasty nation, which shall march through the breadth of the land, to possess the dwelling places that are not theirs. 7 They are terrible and dreadful: their judgment and their dignity shall proceed of themselves.

Does it not seem intriguing the parallels. What is even more peculiar is that Christian charities are the ones importing the very people who ban atheism, homosexuality & and the feminist way of life all the while the progressives are cowardly unopposed to these very people who will destroy them. Progressives seem to be in a constant state of fear of Christians because of what we may do; whereas, they say nothing of what the Muslims are doing.

“Islam embraces butt sex, it is acceptable in their religion. The only way they might get mad is if they thought you were mocking the prophet.”

No, homosexual activity is a crime in several Muslim majority countries.

“The left tolerates islam because they're kindred spirits in many ways along with the whole minority victim angle.”

Ah, yes, I remember hearing that about the Arabic. I wondered at the time if that was partially invented (under the presumption that Islam was built on lies and more lies, and Muhammad a grand liar or inspired by one) to build a layer of plausible deniability. Maybe a 'You Just Don't Understand Arabic' as opposed to 'You Don't Understand Science', if a foreigner finds a contradiction or something.

Plus a bit of nationalism, I guess, though I actually kind of like that they speak and know the original language of their holy book, and don't seem likely to move on. The envy burns.

Thanks for shedding some light on it for me, bud. You've been quite illuminating.

Bravely bold Sir Richard rode forth from Camelot.He was not afraid to die, O brave Sir Richard.He was not at all afraid to be killed in nasty ways,Brave, brave, brave, brave Sir Richard!

He was not in the least bit scared to be mashed into a pulp,Or to have his eyes gouged out and his elbows broken,To have his kneecaps split and his body burned awayAnd his limbs all hacked and mangled, brave Sir Richard!

His head smashed in and his heart cut outAnd his liver removed and his bowels unpluggedAnd his nostrils raped and his bottom burned off[ From: http://www.elyrics.net]And his pen— (made to stop by Richard)

This is just simple logic - even George Lucas got it.Let the Wookie win! Richard is getting into touch with his inner C3PO. Bold Brave Sir Richard! ( I love the python reference!)The sad thing is that the left, other than the occasional Hitchens type, is all about letting the Wookie win. If you don't think addressing the subject is important, you really haven't paid attention for not only the last 50 years, but to the last 1300 plus years as well.This will not go away because its not in front of you right now. Ask Catholic Filipinos, or Egyptian Copts, or Thai Buddhists, or Persian Zororastrians, or the Bahai or people justing getting on some routine flight from Boston...

>>Lefties don't see Islam as a threat. They see it as an ally on the subjugation of their fellow men. Fear helps too, but is not like they have issues killing people that oppose them.

For a good explanation of why this is wrong on many levels see:http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=3030

"In hopes that some conservatives might actually pay attention, I will now explain how “militant atheists” evaluate different religions and why Islam is actually the least likely of them to attract or seduce atheists. ... "

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