The fact that Greece is now ruled by a tribunal of German banksters says all that needs to be said about who is benefitting from the rape of that
nation.

I called it a year ago - the Golden Dawn party will take over one way or another, because they are the only Greek party left that has the interests of
the Greek citizenry in mind.

Looking at how Greece slid so deep into the mud, it is a combination of the Socialists in charge there, and the fact that now that they use the Euro,
they can not devalue and adjust their currency to allow for favorable trade relations.

Back when Greece had the Drachma, it wasn't pretty but at least they could devalue it every few years in order to make investment and trade
attractive, for a time. Now that they are using the same currency that Berlin and Paris are, there is no reason for investors to seek the less
expensive Greek economy for their better value.

Greek used to have a very strong shipbuilding industry but this has been lost because it doesn't give any benefit for the foreign ship buyer,
compared to buying a Dutch or German made vessel. There's no extra savings at all.

Because you insist people should differentiate between the Greek people and their ruling elite of banksters and corrupted politicians, yet you are
blind that the same also applies for the German people.

Because you misread my whole post with the same attitude, warped by anti-german sentiment on your part.

Re-read my post, or read previous posts I made about the EU/€Z here on ATS, and you will see that I strongly detest the corrupt centralist scum that
rules this leviathan.

Originally posted by iBallinU
For your sake?
LOL you ignorant individual.

I said: END this nightmare for the sake of ALL OF US... as in: ALL of us people in Europe.

Originally posted by iBallinU
Do you actually still believe that this is all for your benefit? You, as in individual people of Europe..the citizens..the common man?

No I don't. Never did. Never said so.

Originally posted by iBallinU
So those funds ended up back in Germany, except rather then back in German taxpayers hands, they went to private German businesses.

Exactly!
The German taxpayer is the biggest net contributor in this madness by a huge margin.
In fact, Germany alone paid more than the 19 lowest-paying member states combined!

Originally posted by iBallinU
I really do hope that # really does hit the fan in Greece. Because either by the will of the people, or by the will of the army, Greece will tell you
to shove your EU and your Euro currency up your rectums, and once again forge it's own path.

Agreed, except it's not my rectum that needs this crap shoved in, but the centralist cabal that is responsible.

Originally posted by iBallinU
And people like you, who couldn't spell the word Greece before this crisis, fall for the propaganda.
It's laughable.

People are deluded if they equate the German people with German banksters.

The same thing happens frequently when "Americans" are blamed for the actions of our now unconstitutional government. They are unable to separate
the actions of the ruling elite from the people who are under their thumb.

It's a sad statement on the quality of thought and discourse in this age.

I'd like to add that I see worrying resemblances between the U.S. federal government and the superstate the EU centralists in Brussels try to enforce
on the nations of Europe.
I wish I could give you fifty independent stars for your post.

I'd like to add that I see worrying resemblances between the U.S. federal government and the superstate the EU centralists in Brussels try to enforce
on the nations of Europe.
I wish I could give you fifty independent stars for your post.

And in the same vein, I wish I could give you twenty seven free stars, but alas this is not the case.

I would like to turn the topic back to Greece for a moment. I know that the overall sentiment in Europe is against the Golden Dawn party, but to my
eye they are the only elected party in Greece that is actually Greece-oriented.

Something that was said by a recently convicted radical comes to mind. When legitimate dissent is quashed, people are driven to desperate measures.
I believe that this is something that is illustrated in Greece at this point, and that continued media mocking of the Golden Dawn will do nothing but
harden the hearts of Greek citizens against the ruling socialist parties.

The Dutch people to are eager to end this #, but we have no say.
Politicians have become dictators in the EU, they do not represent the people anymore.
Democracy is death, we live in an oligarchy which represents a select group of international businessmen.
The euro, the monetary union is the prison and the means to realize their dream, a political union.
No matter if people suffer, in Greece and Spain it is the worst, lack of medicine and food, no jobs or income.
If the EU truly stood for the people, these problems were dealt with a long time ago.
I feel that Greece is used as a means to trigger this crisis, and we are being lied to.
They were well aware of the problems that would occur with establishing the monetary union, but it did not stop them from continuing this process.

Everything that has happened so far was bound to happen. That's not going to change. No matter what the future has in store it'll be 100% preplanned
and,as usual,not for the good of the citizens. Let me repeat,no matter what the future has in store it'll be 100% preplanned. War,civil uproar,further
economic crisis,whatever that will be. This is a chess game.

As for the Golden Dawn,they're just an abomination that managed to get votes by capitalizing on the "mistakes" of the previous governments. The road
was paved for many years now so a party like them could use it to find its way in the political scene (or maybe the specific party was meant take
advantage of the situation all along).
I can't even consider them Greek since their ideals are racism and fascism. The only reason they managed to gather some votes is the creation and
manipulation of the citizens troubles.

The EU has nearly destroyed Europe one country at a time. It's time they take back their identity and drive the pigs out. I support Golden Dawn
because they believe that Greece belongs to the Greeks. They're tired of being hungry and unemployed while non-Greeks enjoy labor and living on the
dole. Those old tricks of crying racism and what not are not gonna work anymore, so the haters better get on the right side of the argument, because
the socialist fantasy is about to crumble.

It would be really intresting to see a civil uprising without goverment intervention, i can't think off the any other example of a group of people,
uprising, without any type of goverment intervention. If anybody can post anything relating to that it would be awesome. Really facinating.

It is a very very sad thing for me that,unfortunately, Golden Dawn is the most sincere political party in the Greek Parliament at the moment.
Nevertheless, people that believe Golden Dawn in not ruled by Nazi/Racists that support the Arian race philosophies, are at least deceived.I'm not
talking about common people that vote Golden Dawn out of frustration,I'm talking about the big heads of this organisation. For God's shake they
sallute in the Nazi way. Would you consider giving power to this party just because you are mad about politicians? I think people,and Greek people
most, don't realize how easily we are manipulated at the moment.

Trust me my friend,they're insincere on many levels. I know you mean well but don't let their loud mouths give you the wrong impression. They serve
lies with a small dose of truth just to look honest enough.

The people around the world are manipulated as you said. Our leaders force so many problems on us that even reasonable thinking seems impossible
(it's not however).

Last but not least,most parties are not sincere and if some are,they'll never become a government (or they will if they'll cooperate with the big
heads). The "autopilot" of voting and returning to routine isn't working and we should've realize that by now. We have to be active if we want
something better. We have to become active in shaping our societies because so far we've been letting others to do so for the sake of
silly,unnecessary luxuries.

Greece: "A promise from the army has been obtained to not intervene against a civil uprising

It is always enlightening to hear the frank assessment of a diplomat upon leaving the service, once unshackled from "the patriotic art of
lying for one's country", as 19th Century American journalist Ambrose Bierce described the craft.

Leonidas Chrysanthopoulos was a career diplomat with the Greek foreign ministry. As a junior officer with the service in the 1970s, he helped assure
the then freshly democratic nation's accession to the European Union (at the time the EEC). He was at different times Athens' ambassador to Poland,
Albania and Canada, and finally the director general of EU

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