Comments on: The Power of Lighting with Just Two Lights: We Are Marshallhttp://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/08/the-power-of-lighting-for-cinematography-with-just-two-lights-we-are-marshall/
Create | Innovate | EducateTue, 31 Mar 2015 18:43:09 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.1By: Shanehttp://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/08/the-power-of-lighting-for-cinematography-with-just-two-lights-we-are-marshall/comment-page-1/#comment-108047
Tue, 18 Mar 2014 05:01:01 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-108047Wayne SP, an open face light is mounted horizontally in the fixture, which will make your shadows soft, where the 1K’s bulb is vertically and will cast a much harder shadow. Hope this helps and thank you for your support of our blog.
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Sun, 16 Mar 2014 20:18:52 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-107817Hi Shane,

I’m a young filmmaker who reads your blog all the time and find it very valuable. I’ve had a question for a few years now, and I’m sure there’s an obvious answer to it, but I can’t seem to find it. I understand that removing the fresnel from the 1k as you did here will yield sharper shadows, but why not use an open-face 1k to start with? Thank you,

Wayne

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Tue, 28 Jan 2014 15:40:46 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-102014Hi James, I do not color my moonlight, I leave it tungsten and then warm my practicals lamps, any other lights that are not considered moonlight with 1/2 CTS that way in post I can cool down the Dino light to give it that grey feel which is what I think moonlight looks like. When I am creating an ambient light to fill in the shadows, I bounce a maxi into a Ultra Bounce then add 1/4CTB to this. Hope this helps
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Tue, 28 Jan 2014 09:24:15 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-101930Hi Shane,

I find myself coming back to your blog so often to search for answers or get ideas, it’s such great resource of information.

I’ve got a big night exterior scene coming up and I’m planning on sticking a Dino on top of cherry picker at about 400ft from the subject to bathe the street in moonlight. I was just wondering what is your favourite gel combination for moonlight? I was planning on using a half CTB and then auditioning maybe 1/8 or 1/4 Plus Green and seeing what looks best to the eye.

Thanks as always for sharing your experiences.

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Wed, 08 Jan 2014 21:35:35 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-93266Rick Shorrock, I love that, thank you so much for sharing and supporting the blog
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Wed, 08 Jan 2014 19:53:37 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-93228I love this article! I shot a scene from a movie where we had to shoot an introductory scene where the main character is coming home on a train. We were to film the interior of the train in a vintage diner car that is used for fundraisers at the local historical society. We got there late, and only had time to set up one dimable LED light. So I used the light to simulate the light coming from the windows on the opposite side of the train car. Fortunately, a train came by on the track right next to the diner car, so I was able to grab a shot that reinforced the idea that the dining car was moving. Here is the scene without sound or sound effects, but part of a grading comparison using Sony Vegas Pro 12 and Neumann Films Cinematic Looks:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WroBSF7rusc
Thanks for all you do for us, Shane!
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Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:19:33 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-81371Ruben Arce, thank you for your kind words and support of our blog. Lighting is scarce on the internet, many people feel that those secrets given out will become competition. I see it as fueling a fire of creativity and for all of you to take from these examples and instruction and make it your own.
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Wed, 20 Nov 2013 09:18:52 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-81077Wow! this is amazing. Thank You so much Shane. Is really hard to find information about lighting beyond the basics on the internet or books. And here you are, sharing your knowledge and expertise with us. I really appreciate it. Keep up the beautiful images.
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Tue, 17 Sep 2013 00:47:00 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-70420Rashed Zaman, you bet
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Sun, 15 Sep 2013 02:09:59 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-70372Thanks a lot Shane.
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Wed, 04 Sep 2013 22:54:29 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-70012Rashed Zaman, more punch for longer distances. 18k gives off a blue night feel, I hate blue nights, love grey nights and tungsten does that the best. Also easier to throw long distances and keep the foreground, mid-ground and background all at the same exposure.
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Mon, 26 Aug 2013 18:15:49 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-69590Thanks for the reply Shane. I have a question. Why did you use 24 dino light instead of 18k/ 20k fresnel?

Regards.

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Sat, 24 Aug 2013 14:43:52 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-69479Rashed Zaman, nice job. Looks great. KISS is the way. That is a great idea with the dry ice. Have to remember that baby. Thanks for all of your support and kind words.
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Wed, 21 Aug 2013 17:40:07 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-69355Hello Shane,

I shot the night scenes of above commercial with only one 4k HMI. I used 4k HMI as the backlight in the raining scene. We were shooting that scene in a swamp with real snakes everywhere. I couldn’t find any suitable place to position a 12×12 muslin for bouncing light to fill the dark areas and faces. I put lot of dry ice in the water. Dry ice did two things. It helped me to create the atmosphere I wanted and It also bounced the light like bead board.

I have been following your blog for last one month. This is very inspiring. Thank you very much.

I’m still at the very early stages of my career as a cinematographer and I find your blog is one of the most insightful cinematography resources online right now.

Often working on a very low budget with a very limited choice of lights on location, it’s very tempting to say “if only I had a bigger lighting budget”. As a result I’m often more excited by what I can achieve by not using many lights. Reading this is so inspiring, and gives me confidence in that approach.

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Mon, 31 Dec 2012 07:44:11 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-47072Justin Woods, thank you so much for you kind words and support. KISS keep it simple stupid. This always goes thru my mind when I am lighting along with what is natural
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Mon, 31 Dec 2012 04:01:49 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-47055Great blog, thanks for the info. I always make a point to start from what you have, natural light and practicals, and then go from there without over complicating and always keep in mind how the look of the scene will help you create a mood and tell you story. I love that shot of January Jones rising from the bed. It’s a simple and fast shot but looks amazing and stands out. It’s amazing that you only used two 1Ks.
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Wed, 07 Nov 2012 00:21:59 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-21268Jose del C Martinez, Jose I cannot wait to meet you. Thank you for those gracious words and all of your support. See you soon.
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Wed, 07 Nov 2012 00:17:35 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-21264Craig Needelman, you do not know how much this means to me and all of my amazing team at the HurlBlog. Thank you for those kind words. We do it different, we actually educate about lighting, composition and the essence of cinematography, not to review a new piece of gear. This is just the tip of the iceberg baby!!!!
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Tue, 06 Nov 2012 18:02:07 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-21242Shane, this is the most informative sight I have ever come across. Your words along with the clips make everything understandable. I read a lot of industry magazines and the CML, and nothing comes close to what you’re doing hear. Thanks for taking the time and effort to share.
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Tue, 06 Nov 2012 05:07:45 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-21212Shane, I can’t express my gratitud to you. I learn everything throught your web because I do not have the money to go to college but with your lessons I can do everything like a true pro. I will see you in Javit center here in NY.
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Sat, 03 Nov 2012 12:27:48 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-21035Chris, ha ha, yes I guess if you want to break it down into individual bulbs. Thanks for the support
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Sat, 03 Nov 2012 04:35:41 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-20978I want to argue that you had 33 lights for that last part, but that’s because I’m jealous I don’t get to use that kind of fire power. Great Blog!
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Fri, 21 Sep 2012 03:41:59 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-16029Awesome stuff. Always curious…Why was the Dino positioned so far away? Why not a smaller fixture closer?

You and I have talked briefly before about silks and diffusion and bounce materials and the different ways that they affect light. I think a great blog topic would be to talk about soft light, bounced and diffused, and more specifically talk about the various and your favorite types of diff and bounce and their uses. I like how you approached diffusion as it pertains to the camera, perhaps it’s time for light. Unless one has the budget to rent a whole gamut of materials and lights to test all these materials one by one, it’s a slow (and iffy) process, shoot to shoot, of becoming familiar with so many options so as to make the best decisions come game-time. Thoughts?

And again, as everyone else says, thanks for sharing your mind.

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Tue, 21 Aug 2012 16:11:24 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-15160Pablo Gustafson, that was Kodak 5219, yes turn them on and then slowly turn them off.
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Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:54:53 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-15137What film stock were you shooting on for these? It’s unbelievable how nice the image starts to look when you start turning off lights.
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Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:28:20 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-14979Nice, I love a grey moon too. Hollywood style saturated blue moons make me feel queasy. I like that idea of shooting it white and adding that tinge of blue in post. Is it easy enough to do without affecting the rest of the image?
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Wed, 15 Aug 2012 00:22:56 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-14936paolo, that means so much, all the time and energy my wife and our team put into this blog. I love that it matters. You are very welcome.
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Wed, 15 Aug 2012 00:19:27 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-14932Oli Kember, the throw, 300 yards is a long way photometrically through trees and rain
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Wed, 15 Aug 2012 00:18:49 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-14931Oli Kember, thank you so much, yes I dialed that slight coolness in post the reason being is those 24 lite Dino’s are a bitch to gel and a waist of money, because it was only a 1/4 blue worth of coolness. I like a grey moon, which is white with a slight blue tinge.
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Wed, 15 Aug 2012 00:14:26 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-14929datfilmdude, thank you so much for your kind words and all your support. Yes simple is sometimes the best. I will look into that quixote.com.
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Tue, 14 Aug 2012 23:20:18 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-14928I love how in the intro you remind everyone of KISS. I think we get caught up in so many complexities of film making sometimes the easiest solution is the best solution. We need to keep in mind that even one light can create emotion. Great work as always and thanks so much for sharing. Your work is an inspiration to us all. I would love for you to show us some of your tricks at quixote.com, if you’re ever there.
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Tue, 14 Aug 2012 18:54:23 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-14923I loved that moment when I watched the film, great to read how you did it and why you lit it the way you did. In the clip the rain has a steel/blue feel that isn’t in the look of the still picture below, did you dial that blue in during the grade? If you added that blue in post, why didn’t you gel for it on the day? Do you prefer a white or blue moon? Thanks!
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Tue, 14 Aug 2012 18:49:47 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-14922Great questions Laurence and thanks for sharing the explanation Shane, I was wondering why such a dark scene would take such seemingly large units. Thanks.
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Mon, 13 Aug 2012 20:46:23 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-14907Shane,

Thank you so much sir!
Your contribution to my cinematography education is priceless.

Thanks again!

Paolo

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Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:44:28 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-14854Jon Chema, thank you so much for your kind words. You are very welcome.
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Fri, 10 Aug 2012 02:53:44 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-14842I appreciate it Shane. I’m excited to hear what you think of the Black Magic camera once you get it – and also see what results it can produce in your hands.

Thanks again for all the training your provide.

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Thu, 09 Aug 2012 18:05:09 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-14836Love what you did here. Its amazing what you can do with 1 or 2 lights. I’m a fan of Covered Wagon lights and I’ve found you can almost light a whole scene with them. At least closeups. Nine-Lights and Dinos are so great. Cheap to rent and lots of punch! Love the overall color grade on this as well. Thanks for sharing!
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Wed, 08 Aug 2012 13:25:33 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-14785Bob Demers, thanks so much for sharing. I will check that out. I use that Rosco color as well, seems to match the best.
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Tue, 07 Aug 2012 21:40:46 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-14772In a soon to be released feature that I shot for director Rel Dowdell, short bucks and time required a minimalist approach to lighting. Most of our night exteriors used one or two units, mostly to augment existing light. One scene in particular evolved an urban sidewalk conversation with one of our actors sitting in a car while the other leaned on the passenger side window. While setting the shot I observed the existing light from a sodium vapor street lamp. I looked at the gaffer and said, “let’s do that” . He introduced me to rosco’s sodium vapor gels. Two 2k juniors later the action was realistically lit. If interested, check out this article on the film. BTW. Love those Source 4 Par and their funky fleas set. Been using them since they came out.

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Mon, 06 Aug 2012 14:52:38 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-14758Benjamin Gaskell, thank you so much for your kind words and support.
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Mon, 06 Aug 2012 14:52:14 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-14757Gavin Bearfield-Boyd, thank you so much for your support
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Mon, 06 Aug 2012 14:51:58 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-14756Neil Oseman, thank you so much for your support. KISS is where I start.
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Mon, 06 Aug 2012 14:51:23 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-14755James Nation, thank you so much for sharing. I will check it out.
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Mon, 06 Aug 2012 14:50:58 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-14754Baron, Yes, I know that these lights are not going to be available to everyone. But it is the principle of it all. KISS is where you start. Yes, please check out the film, I think it is one of my best works.
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Mon, 06 Aug 2012 14:49:10 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-14753Atom Magadia, thank you so much for your kind words. Yes KISS is where you need to start, then if you have to add more do what looks best.
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Mon, 06 Aug 2012 14:48:15 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-14752Ansel, thank you so much for your kind words. I have not had a chance to check it out yet. Waiting for mine to come. Give you my thoughts once I put it through the ringer.
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Mon, 06 Aug 2012 14:47:04 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-14751Neil Oseman, YEAH BABY!!!!! thank you so much for all of your kind words.
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Mon, 06 Aug 2012 14:46:30 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-14750Laurence Zankowski, I used scrims to take down the source 4 Par so that I could keep the color temp at 3200K. I have found that when using 5219 film stock I love the look of a moonlight source 1 to 1.5 stops underexposed. 3.5 stops I found gives you that wonderful squint into the shadow areas, where you just see detail. The reason for the 12x Ultra bounce was for softness, even though the scene was intimate, the bigger the source the more it feels real and not lit. You are very welcome and encourage more questions. That is what I am here for.
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Mon, 06 Aug 2012 14:39:27 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-14748Roberto Seba, thank you so much for your kind words
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Mon, 06 Aug 2012 14:39:08 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-14747Rick Macomber, thank you so much for all of your kind words and thank you for sharing.
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Mon, 06 Aug 2012 14:34:59 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-14745Alex, thank you so much for your kind words.
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Mon, 06 Aug 2012 14:34:26 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-14744Alex, you got it. Thanks so much for your support
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Mon, 06 Aug 2012 14:34:05 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-14743Mark Kelly,thank you so much for those wonderful kind words. The reason I pushed the limit with this technology was to inspire young filmmaker’s to know that it is possible with tools that you can afford. Thanks again and look forward to hearing about your future plans.
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Sun, 05 Aug 2012 02:00:21 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-14715I first came to hear of your work when I went to a preview screening of ‘Act of Valor’ at NYU, after which there was a panel discussion.
It inspired me to complete my studies after a 9 year ‘intermission’..
After returning to study cinematography in NYU SPCS & after many mentions of your name at the Vimeo Fest in NYC, I stumbled onto your website and it’s been fantastic.
You have a great writing style which balances both the aesthetic choices you make with the practical explanations of how you achieve setups/settings/workflows.
I just want to say, thanks.
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Sat, 04 Aug 2012 15:45:37 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-14712Please more and more posts like these!!!!!
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Sat, 04 Aug 2012 15:45:01 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-14711Bravo! That’s what I call ‘Cinematography’!
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Fri, 03 Aug 2012 13:10:19 +0000http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=6912#comment-14694Hey Shane,

Love your BTS blog! Thanks for sharing. For a music video I shot called “Brightest Moon,” I needed to find cheap portable lights that could hold a battery charge for a few hours out in the cold New England weather. I found them at Home Depot. Husky work lights. These babies are weatherproof, super bright, super cool with 180 LEDs and can go cordless for 4 hours. They’re 56K. I purchased two of them. I also used one Litepanels Micro LED dimmed down to create a soft key light for the singer’s face, held by my assistant who was gripping my left shoulder and walking me backwards while I was on the Glidecam.

I needed a well-lit area with plenty of street light to augment my two portable Husky LEDs. I found it on the Charles River walking path. Since out end result would be in black & white, color temperature didn’t matter.