posted at 6:01 pm on May 23, 2014 by Allahpundit

I, too, believe that the federal government should help or get out of the way.

I, too, want Republicans and Democrats to work together to cut spending and to help Kentucky businesses create jobs…

Join me, and let us work together to create change. Yes, we are in different parties, and we have divergent views on some issues. But if you believe that we need a fresh face to shake up Washington, I invite you to join our campaign.

If you believe that it is past time to give Mitch McConnell and his D.C. lobbyist cronies the boot, I welcome you to join our effort to elect an independent, commonsense problem solver who will fight for Kentucky values.

Is there any evidence that tea partiers disgusted with Mitch the Knife might be open to this pitch? Sort of. Remember this table from one of the last polls of the primary?

Twenty-five percent of “conservative” voters were open to voting for Alison Grimes. Granted, 21 percent of “liberals” were open to McConnell, but there are no hard feelings potentially blocking those voters from coming home to the Democrats in November. Among Republicans, there are lots of hard feelings. Read the intro to this CNN piece from a few days ago in which an annoyed Bevin shows off a “Fraud Alert” that Team Mitch sent around about him. Quote: “It’s unbelievable. It’s crap. This is how he has run his entire race. He’s attacking me for being a member of the tea party while threatening to crush these people and punch them in the nose.” His anger was, per CNN, a source of “amusement” to the McConnell camp. Politico got an even more interesting quote from Bevin the day after he was blown out: “You can’t punch people in the face, punch people in the face, punch people in the face, and ask them to have tea and crumpets with you and think it’s all good.”

No one believes that Bevin’s going to endorse Grimes. He’s young by political standards; if Rand Paul is blocked by law from running for president and Senate in 2016, Bevin might jump into the Senate primary to replace him. He’d be DOA in two years if he embraces the Democrat outright but maybe not DOA if he declares that, as a matter of conservative conscience, he can’t endorse anyone in the race. Besides, how much would it really matter to Mitch-haters if Bevin did endorse McConnell? Support for Bevin on the right was never about him personally; it was a pure “Not Mitch” coalition. Whether that endures or disintegrates as hard feelings soften has little to do with Bevin at this point.

It’s interesting, though, that McConnell is sufficiently worried about tea partiers staying home that he’s already trotting out Rand Paul to make the case for unity. Everyone expected Rand to campaign for him, but I didn’t think we’d see him talking up McConnell’s conservative bona fides three days after the primary — especially since tea-party groups have, commendably, already moved to closed ranks around McConnell. There is, though, something to be said for the idea that Mark Levin was kicking around (but not quite endorsing) the other day about conservatives staying home in the general election to send a message to establishment brawlers like McConnell. It comes at a steep cost in potentially losing a red-state Senate seat, but if you want to truly terrify Beltway Republicans who stray too far from the tea-party line, one lone general-election boycott — at the minority leader’s expense, no less — would do it like nothing else. It’s not going to happen, but again, it’s interesting that Team Mitch is taking nothing for granted.

Exit question: Does McConnell’s plan to repeal ObamaCare also include repealing Kentucky’s state insurance exchange? Oddly, he’s noncommittal on the question.

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I humbly submit that any Republican who would vote against our Senate Leader in the general, for a Democrat who can’t say if she would have voted for ObamaCare or not (seriously), was never a real Republican in the first place.

Good riddance to the dog-fighting, cockfighting trash.

Adjoran on May 24, 2014 at 12:38 AM

I humbly submit that any conservative who will help to remove McConnell either by staying home or voting for Grimes is a real patriot.

Vichy Republicans will hate you but our country will eternally be grateful.

Tea Party votes for Grimes could accomplish two things that might well be worth the loss of a Senate seat we’re likely not to need anyway: getting rid of McConnell and scaring the whey out of the remaining GOPe.

PersonFromPorlock on May 23, 2014 at 7:16 PM

IF there is a real election in November [the issue is in doubt under the current regime] and it is honest, Republicans are going to have a more than one vote majority. If the election does not happen, or is fraudulent, then we will be occupied by other matters than the election. If we take out McConnell, we will still have a majority and there is a chance that the Republican majority will actually fight the Democrats instead of its own base for a change. If only out of fear of the same thing happening to them.

If you can’t bring yourself to vote for Grimes [and I admit that is a hurdle, vote 3rd party or leave that slot blank. It will have the same effect. And since there is no TEA Party candidate in that Senate race, DO NOT give money to the Kentucky Republican Party and don’t volunteer to work for McConnell’s campaign. Let him go door to door by himself.

Since the GOP has done such a bang-up job so far with the GOP-COC-BigGov alliance, why should anyone reward their bad behavior by giving them MORE power, especially House Republicans?

Ryan and his amnesty clown caucus including the likes of Cantor and Ellmers. And Ellmers is especially bad. She was caught outright almost verbatim pushing racist “facts” straight from the La Raza handbook. And then you also have Ryan and his fake budgets putting all cuts to the outyears which will never see the light of day. And then you have Boehner, Cantor, Ryan (of course AGAIN) with their sequester repeal along with the subsequent slap to the face of veterans.

And then you have the constant out in the open backstabbing of fellow members of congress. Democrats don’t do this so openly to each other. But we get graced by establishment favorites like Lindsey Graham, John McCain, and my very favorite- Pete King, porker of the north, slobbering and smearing their pudgy, greased, mealy-mouthed faces all over television whining about how the conservatives are mean and won’t let them burden our great grandchildren with more debt.

You have been reading too much allahpundit.
Why should you give them more power? Because the people who have power now are destroying the country and the only other viable choice is the GOP. It’s just that simple.
Don’t like the way they do business? Do something to change it. Sitting at home just means you are going to be written off. Deliberately losing elections and empowering Harry Reid because of conservative principles is idiotic. There is no other way of saying it.

And they have basically advertised repeatedly that they will pass amnesty legislation if given the majority in the Senate, WHY should anyone help them get elected?

Seriously, they have pre-announced surrender to the Democrat party and crony capitalists to screw the American people over and you are here along with the rest of the GOPe sycophants telling people that they are not conservative if they don’t roll over and vote for these traitors? Are you kidding me?

Where are they (the GOP) advertising it? Point out where the GOP has declared that they are going to “pass amnesty”. Don’t you understand that the time to turn all this around is just about up? What will be your legacy to the country? No one is asking you to die for the ashes of your fathers and the temples of your Gods… just to keep your head together in the face of someone serial wanker and bad TV addict trolling for blog hits by feeding you the BS outrage and capitulation that so many here seem to need.
Don’t want amnesty? Good, neither do I. Fight it. Nothing will bring it on faster than the democrats keeping the senate. At least with the GOP you have a chance. Sorry, that’s all you are going to get.

In her first specific comments on what would be a priority for her if elected, Grimes singled out immigration reform. “My hope is that our current senior senator will not block the efforts of the bipartisan work that the Gang of Eight is trying to do for immigration reform,” Grimes said in an interview with WHAS11.
“As the issues are going on, especially the ongoing negotiations and meetings, I look forward to having further substantive conversations with you about those,” Grimes said. In a key procedural vote on Monday afternoon, McConnell voted against cloture, saying the immigration reform bill was flawed.

Vichy Republicans will hate you but our country will eternally be grateful.

Vichy Republicans! Excellent. Thanks Rightman. And you are right, those who think in principle also think long range and long term. McConnell is a Manchurian Democrat. His defeat would indeed be the best thing long-term.

It would have been great had Bevin won the primary. He didn’t. Many here seem to feel that they’re best served either voting 3rd party or even voting for grimey Grimes in November. How many of you in 2012, when faced with the choice of establishment, RINO Romney and Obama, felt the same as you do now? And if so, how many of you who didn’t vote or even voted for Obama wish you’d just accepted the lesser of 2 evils? McConnell may not be what you want or need, but he’s certain to be better than Grimes, and a McConnell loss could allow the Senate to remain (D) which would empower Barry to wreck some more stuff. Don’t commit hari-kari.

Vichy Republicans! Excellent. Thanks Rightman. And you are right, those who think in principle also think long range and long term. McConnell is a Manchurian Democrat. His defeat would indeed be the best thing long-term.
WyattsTorch on May 24, 2014 at 7:50 AM

McConnell is worse than a Vichy. He is a Kristolite. Irving Kristol was just as conniving and ruthless for the progressive cause as Saul Alinsky. Their whole mantra is creating more palatable liberal policies

Yeah, I think I’m gonna pass on Grimes’ offer. Whereas was more than happy to fund Bevin’s challenge via Senate Conservatives Fund, there is no way in the world that I’d even consider shifting my support a senate super-lib. I wanted a conservative to have shot, and now that Kentuckians have screwed Americans over by foolishly sending a career politician–an oligarch in McConnell’s case– back to the senate, I won’t be helping anyone from KY now, even should Rand Paul clinch the GOP presidential nomination in 2016. I have a long memory, and this primary was Kentucky’s chance to prove that 1) they do care about liberty, small govt, and no bailouts, and 2) they understand the danger in career politicians that vote against liberty, against small govt, and for bailouts. All KY proved is that it is no Texas. Grimes can have it for all I care, but I won’t have any part of it. Thank God I am Texas-born & Texas-bred!

It’s so funny that you’re using a picture of Darth Vader. I’ve always thought when Mitch McConnell said he would crush the tea party it reminded me of Darth or someone in Star Wars saying they would crush the rebellion.

Rand Paul has been a great disappointment! He started out fine but then his desire to be President at all cost has led to him abandoning his principles and forgetting the allies who helped him win his seat against Establishment opposition.

Two things will happen:

1. Rand Paul has greatly diminished his chances of winning the GOP nomination. Even if he does win it by a stroke of luck, I fully expect the McCain wing to launch a full assault on him. In fact, some will openly declare their support for Hillary.

2. McConnell and the GOP Establishment will backstab him when he tries to run for re-election by running their own candidate. And who will he then run to for help? The Tea Party that he shunned?

I love that the establishment wants to hug it out after they have been threatening violence on the Tea Party. We are going to crush the tea party they won’t win a single primary bwaahawaaa! Punch them in the nose! Its time for a war on the Tea Party! Wacko birds!!! And don’t forget all the times the tea party DID win the primary and the GOPe joined with the Democrats to defeat them. In Virginia, NY and around the country. Good times, good times.

Tell me why they decided to jump on top of the tea party and attack it? I voted for Romney in 2012. But after Cruz played hard ball and the government shut down happened the GOPe freaked out and started showing their true colors. They couldn’t shut up. I kept saying they are starting to tick me off as bad as the Dems but they kept running their arrogant mouths. They kept insulting the tea party and their base. And this coupled with promises from our majority in the house to pass amnesty after their primaries are over they have no room to ask the people they wouldn’t touch to slap to vote for them.

Get the Chamber of Cheap Labor to send Mitch a moneybomb. Maybe Zuckerberg will help you out…oh wait. I consider the fall out from increased H1B visa workers being doubled and a few million illegals just as bad as Obamacare. I don’t believe GOPe will repeal or anything Obamacare. I think they will use it to run on but they won’t touch it after that. And amnesty will happen because Boehner has a amnesty lobbyist working for him. They can win or lose this time on their own. We, the tea party, the conservatives, the people who don’t want amnesty, need a third party that actually will represent us.

You too have been duped by a two party system that is Progressive vs. Progressive Lite. Only a principled third party and a convention of the States will prevent this country from destruction. Voting for a (R) will not change a thing.

Rand Paul has less of a chance to be president than his father. He basically shot himself in the foot. You can’t play nice with all factions of the GOP when they are all diametrically opposed. You can’t appeal to the liberal and conservative wing at the same time

RIGHT!!!!! It’s not like we ever want to be in the majority again. We can just keep racking up 1 trillion dollar yearly deficits forever!!!! Woohooo, happy days!!!
WryTrvllr on May 24, 2014 at 1:30 AM

Ummm…. You do realize that the debt started racking up under the Bush administration with the GOP congress at the helm, right? You also remember the GOP attacking Ted Cruz for fighting Obamacare right? You also remember TurtleBoy and the majority of the members voting for TARP and the debt ceiling hikes, right? Both parties are owned by the Chamber of Commerce

RIGHT!!!!! It’s not like we ever want to be in the majority again. We can just keep racking up 1 trillion dollar yearly deficits forever!!!! Woohooo, happy days!!!

WryTrvllr on May 24, 2014 at 1:30 AM

Who has been in control of the house of reps since 2010?? Since that is where SPENDING originates in this form of government, I think you need to ask John Boehner why he is allowing 1 trillion dollar yearly deficits?

You have been reading too much allahpundit.
Why should you give them more power? Because the people who have power now are destroying the country and the only other viable choice is the GOP. It’s just that simple.

Yep. John Boehner and the clown caucus are destroying the country. The way they are running things is the opposite of what they were sent there to do. People are tired of the GOP tired ass line of the Democrats Are TEH DEBIL, vote for us cause we’re less bad!!!1!!

Don’t like the way they do business? Do something to change it. Sitting at home just means you are going to be written off. Deliberately losing elections and empowering Harry Reid because of conservative principles is idiotic. There is no other way of saying it.

No. Voting for someone who represents the face of conservatives to the LIV idiots and is anything but conservative is idiotic. It harms the conservative brand and by extension, the republican brand also. This guy trashes many of his potential voters to please 20% of the base who is aligned with the Chamber of Commerce and other fascists.
And they have basically advertised repeatedly that they will pass amnesty legislation if given the majority in the Senate, WHY should anyone help them get elected?

Where are they (the GOP) advertising it? Point out where the GOP has declared that they are going to “pass amnesty”. Don’t you understand that the time to turn all this around is just about up? What will be your legacy to the country? No one is asking you to die for the ashes of your fathers and the temples of your Gods… just to keep your head together in the face of someone serial wanker and bad TV addict trolling for blog hits by feeding you the BS outrage and capitulation that so many here seem to need.
Don’t want amnesty? Good, neither do I. Fight it. Nothing will bring it on faster than the democrats keeping the senate. At least with the GOP you have a chance. Sorry, that’s all you are going to get.

V7_Sport on May 24, 2014 at 2:32 AM

Don’t be deliberately obtuse, it does not suit you. They are talking about it on a daily basis. Rubio, et all are all going to various outlets and remarking that they will have an easier time with it if they take back the Senate.

Because I don’t think the democrats actually want to pass amnesty. They just want an issue to bludgeon republicans over. The republicans do want it and have for a while. So as of now, a vote for most republicans is a vote for amnesty.

Seriously, you guys are gonna have to do better. Oh, Those O’bozo care amendments didn’t originate in the House, ya know, like the cornhusker kickback???

Sooo, we went to a deficit again after 9/11 (but of course the “surpluses” still were raiding the social security trust) were starting to get better in 2006, and then WHAM O’bozo with a sympathetic (more like lubed) house and senate deal with bailing out the automakers (good job) and the Ruskies Nuked Seattle to start WW III.

TruCon idiots, working for Obama and too freakin’ dumb (and sanctimonious) to know it. You’ve already given us the supremely conservative Senator Coons in DE. Talk about the definition of political insanity.

Meredith on May 23, 2014 at 8:18 PM

Yeah! It’s the fault of you TruCon idiots that Karl Rove went on national television to badmouth Christine O’Donnell, the winner of the Delaware GOP primary, night after night! /

It amazes me that you’d bring that up. One of the big turning points in me becoming a “TruCon” and giving the finger to the GOP was seeing that the GOP will happily sabotage their own candidates. Once they start doing that, then as far as I’m concerned, they give up the right to demand that we support their candidates regardless. If you have a problem with Senator Coons, you can lay some of the blame at Karl Rove’s feet.

Get over yourself, Bevin. It was a political primary. Either you have what it takes or you lose. Too many people have given their all to make sure we have the right to vote. Better use it while you can. A vote for Grimes, 3rd party, write in or sitting at home pouting will not get the majority in the senate and a chance to repeal Ocare. If Mitch is for border security first, fine, we all know how long it takes for DC to get anything done sometimes. If they take their time about the dream crap, we just might get some of our country back.

Ms. Grimes is laughable. How can electing her, thereby helping Harry Reid remain in power ever be considered “change” or “fighting for KY values?” How stupid does she think the voters of KY are?
Armyspouse on May 24, 2014 at 2:33 PM

How is electing somebody who said he would roll over for the Democrats fight for anything?

Get over yourself, Bevin. It was a political primary. Either you have what it takes or you lose. Too many people have given their all to make sure we have the right to vote. Better use it while you can. A vote for Grimes, 3rd party, write in or sitting at home pouting will not get the majority in the senate and a chance to repeal Ocare. If Mitch is for border security first, fine, we all know how long it takes for DC to get anything done sometimes. If they take their time about the dream crap, we just might get some of our country back.
Kissmygrits on May 24, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Let me guess. You’re a blonde? McConnell stabbed Ted Cruz in the back when he tried to fight Obamacare, a las 72% of Americans hate. The truth is the GOP Neocons want Obamacare, deficits, and amnesty. Don’t be surprised that stabbing your base in the back has consequences

To advance the conservative cause we held our noses and voted for John McCain and for Mitt Romney.We were fools to do so.But if you were able to do it those times you can hold your nose and vote for Grimes-to send the message to the likes of Mitch McConnell that we will no longer be abused by liars who use us and hate us!The conservative cause will be better served.

Who has been in control of the house of reps since 2010?? Since that is where SPENDING originates in this form of government, I think you need to ask John Boehner why he is allowing 1 trillion dollar yearly deficits?

NWConservative on May 24, 2014 at 10:22 AM

He doesn’t have much choice. Oh yeah, lets shut the government down, because that works so well.

Yep. John Boehner and the clown caucus are destroying the country. The way they are running things is the opposite of what they were sent there to do. People are tired of the GOP tired ass line of the Democrats Are TEH DEBIL, vote for us cause we’re less bad!!!1!!

Do you have to be such a drama queen? People died to give you the quality of life you enjoy here. The least you can do is examine the situation rationally without being such a diva.

Don’t like the way they do business? Do something to change it. Sitting at home just means you are going to be written off. Deliberately losing elections and empowering Harry Reid because of conservative principles is idiotic. There is no other way of saying it.

No.

That pretty much says it all. You would rather rant here and thump your chest about how pure you are and how badly you are being treated by the pajama-boys of this world than actually do something about it. People here like to shoot themselves in the foot and demand sympathy for being crippled.

“Voting for someone who represents the face of conservatives to the LIV idiots and is anything but conservative is idiotic”

Mitch Mcconnell still has a 90% rating from the American Conservative Union. Cue the “that don’t mean nothing about anything” response. McConnell is the most conservative electable candidate.
There was a chance to chance to replace him and but the brain trust got behind a cockfighter. That’s what’s idiotic. Guess there were no witches.

his guy trashes many of his potential voters to please 20% of the base who is aligned with the Chamber of Commerce and other fascists.

The chamber of commerce are “fascists”… outstanding! If you object to being called a Wacko Bird you probably shouldn’t be calling the chamber of commerce fascist.

Where are they (the GOP) advertising it? Point out where the GOP has declared that they are going to “pass amnesty”. Don’t you understand that the time to turn all this around is just about up? What will be your legacy to the country? No one is asking you to die for the ashes of your fathers and the temples of your Gods… just to keep your head together in the face of someone serial wanker and bad TV addict trolling for blog hits by feeding you the BS outrage and capitulation that so many here seem to need.
Don’t want amnesty? Good, neither do I. Fight it. Nothing will bring it on faster than the democrats keeping the senate. At least with the GOP you have a chance. Sorry, that’s all you are going to get.

V7_Sport on May 24, 2014 at 2:32 AM

Don’t be deliberately obtuse, it does not suit you.

Awesome. Truth be told, I’m probably too hard on Allah, folks here just make it soooo easy. It’s obtuse to actually get out and fight for what you want instead of throwing entire senate seats to the people who oppose you. No, what you are advocating is stupid. Dumb. There is no nice way of saying it.

Because I don’t think the democrats actually want to pass amnesty. They just want an issue to bludgeon republicans over. The republicans do want it and have for a while. So as of now, a vote for most republicans is a vote for amnesty.

Where are they (the GOP) advertising it? Point out where the GOP has declared that they are going to “pass amnesty”.
V7_Sport on May 24, 2014 at 2:32 AM

here you go. You might want to take your google to the shop

Brock Robamney on May 24, 2014 at 10:50 AM

You get all your news 3rd hand, don’t you? You need to be told what it means by someone who wants to keep you clicking on his blog so is willing to feed you that steady diet of outrage and high dudgeon that you need.This is the story that was referenced by that crayon wielding hack. It doesn’t contain the word Amnesty. What we have now is, effectively, amnesty. If you label any attempt to do anything about it “amnesty” you are going to ensure that we are neck deep in Mexicans because the democrat executive branch is in charge of enforcing the laws and they, simply, don’t. By going off half cocked, making no attempt to understand or reason or think, listening with your mouth, you are doing what the “supposed conservatives” have done best: shoot themselves in the foot.
Don’t want amnesty? Neither do I. Join this group and call these people and demand that they enforce the laws that they have pledged to uphold.
But you wont, thumping your chest here is easier.

I don’t like asking Kentucky conservatives to vote for Grimes. But they should. It would send the strongest message to the Establishment. And it would put a Republican Senate majority into the hands of a John Cornyn who can’t move too far left due the Ted Cruz.

Oh, I thought you were describing how RINOs treat conservatives like a spouse that they can’t wait to beat up on, night after night.

It’s almost amazing to see so many get worked up over an election where one has to decide between a Socalist Democrat that hates everything conservative and does more to advance the cause of big government… and Ashley Grimes.

If doing whatever you can to throw the despicable Harry Reid out as majority leader isn’t enough to get you to support McConnell, there is no hope for you.

Meredith on May 23, 2014 at 8:18 PM

McConnell in charge of the Senate or Grimes as a freshman in charge of nothing: who do you think would do more harm? The way to get the GOPe to stop assuming they own the Tea Party vote is for Tea Partiers to vote the worst of the GOPers out, to the long-term benefit of the country.

It’s not about making every Republican – even the ‘losers’ – a winner.

Seriously, you guys are gonna have to do better. Oh, Those O’bozo care amendments didn’t originate in the House, ya know, like the cornhusker kickback???

Sooo, we went to a deficit again after 9/11 (but of course the “surpluses” still were raiding the social security trust) were starting to get better in 2006, and then WHAM O’bozo with a sympathetic (more like lubed) house and senate deal with bailing out the automakers (good job) and the Ruskies Nuked Seattle to start WW III.

WryTrvllr on May 24, 2014 at 1:10 PM

What are you talking about??? I was responding to YOUR assertion that we are deficit spending a 1 trillion dollars a year:

Let’s retire the GOP Establishment, one critter at a time.

TheRightMan on May 24, 2014 at 1:19 AM

RIGHT!!!!! It’s not like we ever want to be in the majority again. We can just keep racking up 1 trillion dollar yearly deficits forever!!!! Woohooo, happy days!!!

WryTrvllr on May 24, 2014 at 1:30 AM

The House of Representatives is in control of the spending, which is controlled by Republicans. So by wanting to elect more of them, apparently you like their current job performance with their support of deficit spending. So are you arguing with yourself???

The House of Representatives is in control of the spending, which is controlled by Republicans. So by wanting to elect more of them, apparently you like their current job performance with their support of deficit spending. So are you arguing with yourself???

I don’t get it.

NWConservative on May 24, 2014 at 7:01 PM

Fair point. A bill, especially a spending bill, originates (I remember this from my youth) in the house, then it goes to the senate, and if approved goes to the preznit.

So, with that in mind, when was the last time the Senate passed a budget? When was the last time the US actually had a BUDGET???

He doesn’t have much choice. Oh yeah, lets shut the government down, because that works so well.

Well many like you were screaming and clutching your pearls last fall when the shutdown was going on that we would lose everything by ELEVENTY QUADRILLION PERCENT!!!!11!!!1!

He has every choice. His responsibility is to protect the constitution and the rule of law and to pass spending bills in the house. Period.

He chose his own political ambitions instead by enabling Obama to continue to have control of the conversation by not responding to ANYTHING. Boehner AND McConnell have done nothing of worth to counteract Obama publicly, they just meekly sit there and take everything the Democrats throw at them. Just like Bush.

Do you have to be such a drama queen? People died to give you the quality of life you enjoy here. The least you can do is examine the situation rationally without being such a diva.

So instead of attacking the idea, we get an ad hominem. Lovely. I guess you are just fine with amnesty, irresponsible spending, lawless actions by the executive, Obamacare, etc.

Mitch Mcconnell still has a 90% rating from the American Conservative Union. Cue the “that don’t mean nothing about anything” response. McConnell is the most conservative electable candidate.
There was a chance to chance to replace him and but the brain trust got behind a cockfighter. That’s what’s idiotic. Guess there were no witches.

The same ACU that supported the Senate bill authorizing amnesty? The same ACU that has for a leader a guy who is in love with left wing money black hole projects like high speed rail? The same leader that represents through his law firm individuals that support UN sovereignty over the US. The same ACU that has islamist and amnesty supporter Grover Norquist on its board.

Not to mention that they pick only a few issues and include issues that have no real impact. They conveniently forget the debt ceiling and Obamacare fixes. It is good that Mitch doesn’t get scored on changing the procedural rules of the senate to block senators getting to speak up.

The chamber of commerce are “fascists”… outstanding! If you object to being called a Wacko Bird you probably shouldn’t be calling the chamber of commerce fascist.

Sorry, I should have said “soft” fascists. They want to be a favored government constituency. They want special tax breaks and low cost labor for the elites at the expense of everyone else.

Awesome. Truth be told, I’m probably too hard on Allah, folks here just make it soooo easy. It’s obtuse to actually get out and fight for what you want instead of throwing entire senate seats to the people who oppose you. No, what you are advocating is stupid. Dumb. There is no nice way of saying it.

Yep. Just keep voting for the same people because the other side is worse. Yawn.

Because I don’t think the democrats actually want to pass amnesty. They just want an issue to bludgeon republicans over. The republicans do want it and have for a while. So as of now, a vote for most republicans is a vote for amnesty.

That’s crazy.

V7_Sport on May 24, 2014 at 4:27 PM

No it is not. They had the chance to do it for over two years from the beginning of 2009 to the end of 2010 and could have done it AND with 20-30 GOP house and Senate votes who wouldn’t have batted an eye. They didn’t because they don’t want to. They can use the issue to bludgeon the GOP relentlessly. The illegal aliens can already vote now. They already commit fraud on a regular basis, why not vote. It is not like we can have voter id.

Oh, I thought you were describing how RINOs treat conservatives like a spouse that they can’t wait to beat up on, night after night.

Poor thing. Nothing crazy there..

It’s almost amazing to see so many get worked up over an election where one has to decide between a Socalist Democrat that hates everything conservative and does more to advance the cause of big government… and Ashley Grimes.

Heh, yeah. If a 90% lifetime conservative rating versus someone who wants to pass amnesty and who would have voted for Obamacare isn’t enough to to show you that you are wrong… wait, you aren’t interested in right, wrong or effective, you just want to put on a demonstration here, phony conservative preening and chest thumping. Country be damned if you don’t get whatever you want by virtue of your online rants. How’s that working for you? You getting everything you want? People gonna pay attention this time when you shoot yourself in the foot? Or are the democrats just going to laugh at the stupidity, take the victory and keep on spending the country in to the ground as the GOP desperately moves left to go for the moderates who perhaps can be counted on to take your place?

Well many like you were screaming and clutching your pearls last fall when the shutdown was going on that we would lose everything by ELEVENTY QUADRILLION PERCENT!!!!11!!!1!

Again, do you have to be such a diva? Can’t you rationally examine what situation without this over the top Shelly Winters routine?

He has every choice. His responsibility is to protect the constitution and the rule of law and to pass spending bills in the house. Period.

LOL, he passed spending bills, they are DOA in the Senate, stopped by the same man you are arguing to keep in power.

He chose his own political ambitions instead by enabling Obama to continue to have control of the conversation by not responding to ANYTHING. Boehner AND McConnell have done nothing of worth to counteract Obama publicly, they just meekly sit there and take everything the Democrats throw at them. Just like Bush.

Which is why we have gun control and Amnesty and cap and trade… Oh wait, they stopped all of that. The only thing that the Obama administration has gotten through is Obamacare, and that’s when Obama had a filibuster proof majority.

So instead of attacking the idea, we get an ad hominem. Lovely. I guess you are just fine with amnesty, irresponsible spending, lawless actions by the executive, Obamacare, etc.

I’ve addressed both, your commentary is unhinged and your information is wrong. No, I’m not fine with it, which is why I worked to prevent it when folks like you, who were more interested in putting on a display or teaching the GOPe a lesson stayed at home for McCain and Romney. How well did that work? Why not try it again? Over and over until there is nothing left for you to actually get off your ass for?

The same ACU that supported the Senate bill authorizing amnesty?

Provide a link.

The same ACU that has for a leader a guy who is in love with left wing money black hole projects like high speed rail? The same leader that represents through his law firm individuals that support UN sovereignty over the US. The same ACU that has islamist and amnesty supporter Grover Norquist on its board.

It’s all a conspiracy.. everyone is against you. Right? Of course what you didn’t want to hear was irrelevant.

Sorry, I should have said “soft” fascists. They want to be a favored government constituency. They want special tax breaks and low cost labor for the elites at the expense of everyone else.

They are a lobbying group who is after better conditions for business.

Yep. Just keep voting for the same people because the other side is worse. Yawn.

Keep throwing elections to the socialists to teach someone a lesson that you can’t even articulate without sounding like a doomsday prophet. That ought to teach someone something or something..

No it is not. They had the chance to do it for over two years from the beginning of 2009 to the end of 2010

They were busy with Obamacare and they weren’t counting on Kennedy dropping dead.

They didn’t because they don’t want to.

The democrats, very much want to pass amnesty. That would mean more democrats. It’s the most basic common knowledge political proposition there is. If you can’t see that there is little purpose in continuing.

The illegal aliens can already vote now. They already commit fraud on a regular basis, why not vote. It is not like we can have voter id.

I’ll say what I’ve said elsewhere. By all means fight Teh Establishment in safe districts. But if it is a choice between a Republican and a Democrat, then there’s no wiggle room; we gotta support the GOP candidate.

I’ll take electing a Republican and getting 85% – 90% of what is needed rather than electing a liberal Democrat and getting 100% of what we DON’T need any time, every time. And I lean more libertarian than some Republicans.

When did giving seats to Liberal Dems become a truly viable option over electing a less than perfect Republican? I believe thats commonly referred to as “cutting off your nose to spite your face.”

Or just plain shooting yourself in the foot.

And by the way – who was the last PERFECT Conservative Republican in the modern era?

Ahh, give it up V7. He can’t. There are more solid walls to butt you head against.
WryTrvllr on May 25, 2014 at 12:58 AM

Why don’t you try trolling the other websites and posting under your alter ego V7 to convince them that you are the brightest mind in the world, because millions of voters didn’t buy your crap in 2012

Robamney on May 25, 2014 at 6:22 AM

LOL, WryTrvllr gets to the crux of the matter in pointed rebuttal in less words than I take to say good morning. Paranoid much?

seriously?

Brock Robamney on May 25, 2014 at 6:12 AM

Yes, seriously. The immigration “system” we have is a sad joke. There are 2 things that will guarantee that we will be swamped with immigrants: Leaving it alone and electing democrats.
And again, if you don’t want amnesty then you need to fight a smarter fight than re-electing Harry Reid as majority leader. If you aren’t interested in solutions that may involve effort, and it seems that you are not, then stop whining because the opposition is out working you. Indeed, when I was volunteering to get out the vote in the past presidential election for the candidate that had the most stringent immigration policy since Eisenhower not only were you not helping you were ranting here that there was no difference between him and Obama. That pretty much makes your latest excuses for losing an election to the democrats another sad joke.

McConnell is worthless, but I agree with Allah’s take on the R’s reaction taking out a leader. So, since the Senate is going to be close, why not take out the Speaker and Majority leader. Same message, different house, more leeway, just as worthless.

truthserum on May 23, 2014 at 6:39 PM

All this arguing about whom is more pure. How about responding to my quote above?????
It brings the Vichy attention to their lack of working with the Tea Party and the resulting loss of seats, without jeopardizing the taking over of the Senate. Talk to that, I have posted this several times with crickets as a response. If it won’t work, tell me why!!

Boehner and McConnell are as effective as a hashtag. It makes you feel good. Yeah, team red.
Re-electing them does nothing to eliminate their US Chamber of Corrupt Crony Capitalists masters.

It accomplishes just as much as the the progressives hashtag for the missing girls. Yeah, we did something.

That Battered Conservative Syndrome is not a lesser evil.

Jayrae on May 25, 2014 at 8:19 AM

Nothing about anything makes me “feel good” about the state of American politics. I just planted a flag on my fathers grave and was actually embarrassed recalling what his generation sacrificed for this country as opposed to what we have now, where people literally have to be begged and prodded into doing something for a cause larger than making a big display on the web.
“US Chamber of Corrupt Crony Capitalists masters”.. do you even hear yourself? Has the Chamber of commerce become the new illuminati or Bilderburg group among the troofers? The chamber is evidently running the show from their hollowed out volcano lair, usurpers of the republic! Next week we hate the real puppet masters: the Shriners and their incomprehensible little parade cars!
You should go to the chamber of commerce and have a talk with these grey haired monsters over a cup of their lousy de-caf coffee.

Well many like you were screaming and clutching your pearls last fall when the shutdown was going on that we would lose everything by ELEVENTY QUADRILLION PERCENT!!!!11!!!1!

Again, do you have to be such a diva? Can’t you rationally examine what situation without this over the top Shelly Winters routine?

The only drama going on during the shutdown was from the liberal republicans freaking out that we were going to lose the house. Stop with the pathetic ad hominems.

He has every choice. His responsibility is to protect the constitution and the rule of law and to pass spending bills in the house. Period.

LOL, he passed spending bills, they are DOA in the Senate, stopped by the same man you are arguing to keep in power.

Arguing that McConnell should not be reelected does not equal keeping Reid in power. Maybe the liberal Republicans should have backed Angle in Nevada in 2010 instead of going home or backing Reid. But it only is bad when conservatives don’t back candidates.

He chose his own political ambitions instead by enabling Obama to continue to have control of the conversation by not responding to ANYTHING. Boehner AND McConnell have done nothing of worth to counteract Obama publicly, they just meekly sit there and take everything the Democrats throw at them. Just like Bush.

Which is why we have gun control and Amnesty and cap and trade… Oh wait, they stopped all of that. The only thing that the Obama administration has gotten through is Obamacare, and that’s when Obama had a filibuster proof majority.

So Sotomayor and Kagan were republican nominees? Mr. Hagel and Kerry also? What about the numerous debt ceiling hikes that McConnell and Boehner were so dead set against raising? Caved every time. Not to mention the numerous Obamacare fixes that they keep passing which lowers the demand for repeal and taking the heat off of democrats. Or the amnesty legislation that McConnell specifically did not lobby against with his members. Or Boehner drunkenly and publically criticizing members who did not want to support amnesty legislation.

The leadership needs to go.

So instead of attacking the idea, we get an ad hominem. Lovely. I guess you are just fine with amnesty, irresponsible spending, lawless actions by the executive, Obamacare, etc.

I’ve addressed both, your commentary is unhinged and your information is wrong. No, I’m not fine with it, which is why I worked to prevent it when folks like you, who were more interested in putting on a display or teaching the GOPe a lesson stayed at home for McCain and Romney. How well did that work? Why not try it again? Over and over until there is nothing left for you to actually get off your ass for?

Okay Joanna. Tell me about the TruCons.

Conservatives didn’t stay home in either election and the exit polls proved it. The problem is that there were more democrats and independents voting for Obama than there were independents and republicans for McCain/Romney. But lets nominate another one in the same vein. Because doing the same thing and expecting different results always works.

The same ACU that supported the Senate bill authorizing amnesty?

Provide a link.

The chairman and several board members all supported the Senate amnesty first bill:

The same ACU that has for a leader a guy who is in love with left wing money black hole projects like high speed rail? The same leader that represents through his law firm individuals that support UN sovereignty over the US. The same ACU that has islamist and amnesty supporter Grover Norquist on its board.

It’s all a conspiracy.. everyone is against you. Right? Of course what you didn’t want to hear was irrelevant.

His law firm represents individuals who support international law over the sovereignty of the US. Grover Norquist supports both amnesty and is a muslim sympathizer, along with another ACU board member and terrorist sympathizer Suhail Khan. Redstate article:

Seriously read up on these people, but you won’t since you are Team Red. They are real pieces of work. Suhail Khan’s parents started the Muslim Brotherhood association in the US. He supported the Ground Zero muslim victory monument mosque. He has received an award from Al Quaeda funder and terrorist sympathizer Abdurahman Alamoudi, calling him a “close friend.” And he also spoke at another conference with terrorists.

These guys run CPAC and the ACU. Which gave your boy McConnell a 90% rating. You can keep it.

Sorry, I should have said “soft” fascists. They want to be a favored government constituency. They want special tax breaks and low cost labor for the elites at the expense of everyone else.

They are a lobbying group who is after better conditions for business.

Are you serious? Of course your not Joanna.

If they wanted better conditions for business, you think they would think out the natural conclusions to their support for amnesty. What do you think is going to happen to the pro-business party when 20 million socialist supporting illegal aliens are legalized to vote? The anti-business party will be in majority for the foreseeable future.

No they just want cheap labor and special tax breaks. But what they will get is none of that.

Yep. Just keep voting for the same people because the other side is worse. Yawn.

Keep throwing elections to the socialists to teach someone a lesson that you can’t even articulate without sounding like a doomsday prophet. That ought to teach someone something or something..

Yawn.

No it is not. They had the chance to do it for over two years from the beginning of 2009 to the end of 2010

They were busy with Obamacare and they weren’t counting on Kennedy dropping dead.

They still had 59 votes in the Senate and the House. FIFTEEN Republicans voted for the Amnesty first, security second, aka never bill last year! Are you telling me that Graham, McCain, Snowe, Collins, Lugar, Hatch, Bennett, Hutchinson, Cornyn, Alexander, Shelby, or McConnell himself wouldn’t have voted for an amnesty bill if Reid had brought it up. You are an idiot if you believe they wouldn’t have.

They didn’t because they don’t want to.

The democrats, very much want to pass amnesty. That would mean more democrats. It’s the most basic common knowledge political proposition there is. If you can’t see that there is little purpose in continuing.

Again, they could have passed it in 2009, 2010 and didn’t. If they wanted it bad, they would have passed it.

The illegal aliens can already vote now. They already commit fraud on a regular basis, why not vote. It is not like we can have voter id.

All is lost, eh? Got to get back to earth now, great talking to you.

V7_Sport on May 24, 2014 at 9:56 PM

You are a fundamentally unserious person. Have you not seen or heard ANY of the voter fraud news over the past ten years? There is almost no verification being done in hundreds of precincts across the country.

All is not lost. But this country cannot be corrected in its current form with the current GOP leadership. The longer they wait, the more severe the correction will be needed. Which may end up with unsavory results.

But go Team Red! No results, no principles, just better than the other guys!

You are a fundamentally unserious person. Have you not seen or heard ANY of the voter fraud news over the past ten years? There is almost no verification being done in hundreds of precincts across the country.

Almost every case of which turns out to be nothing on closer inspection. The actual real cases of voter fraud through placing a fraudulent ballot (as opposed to be counting shenanigans) are about so rare as to be non-existent.

Over the past decade Texas has convicted 51 people of voter fraud, according the state’s Attorney General Greg Abbott. Only four of those cases were for voter impersonation, the only type of voter fraud that voter ID laws prevent.

Nationwide that rate of voter impersonation is even lower.

Out of the 197 million votes cast for federal candidates between 2002 and 2005, only 40 voters were indicted for voter fraud, according to a Department of Justice study outlined during a 2006 Congressional hearing. Only 26 of those cases, or about .00000013 percent of the votes cast, resulted in convictions or guilty pleas.

Evelyn E. Burwell’s family was surprised to learn she voted in the 2012 general and primary elections. They knew she was an avid voter, but she’s been dead since 1997.

Burwell is one of about 6,100 deceased people still registered to vote in Nassau County, a Newsday computer analysis shows. The former Wantagh resident, who died at age 74, is also among roughly 270 people that records show voted in Nassau County after dying, a group that includes a man who voted 14 times since his death.

Newsday’s analysis of voter registration and U.S. Social Security Administration death records found more deceased registered voters in Nassau County than any other New York county, accounting for nearly a quarter of the 26,500 on the rolls statewide. Suffolk County has about 2,490 deceased people registered to vote, with roughly 50 listed as voting after their death.

Re. NWConservative
There is a post in moderation (too many links probably) It’s an important one to the conversation.

So Sotomayor and Kagan were republican nominees? Mr. Hagel and Kerry also?

??? No.

What about the numerous debt ceiling hikes that McConnell and Boehner were so dead set against raising?

Someone already tried to explain the whole budget thing to you. Al they can do with a slim majority in 1/2 of 1/3rd of the government is shut the whole thing down and that has backfired on them. (see the post when it comes out of moderation.

Caved every time.

So they should just shut down government indefinitely. That wont work.

Not to mention the numerous Obamacare fixes that they keep passing which lowers the demand for repeal and taking the heat off of democrats. Or the amnesty legislation that McConnell specifically did not lobby against with his members. Or Boehner drunkenly and publically criticizing members who did not want to support amnesty legislation.

…And then we went off the rails.

Conservatives didn’t stay home in either election and the exit polls proved it.

Not according to the Wall St Journal.

4.1 million (Then there were those who didn’t show up. There were 4.1 million fewer Republicans voting this year than in 2004.)

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The chairman and several board members all supported the Senate amnesty first bill:

Not according to the link you posted.

He tells Newsmax that he remains confident that the House will bring forth stronger immigration reforms than in the Senate’s bill.

“The House can do a better job. We’re a conservative chamber. We can redo immigration reform. We can make it the way we want it to be. We can start from a blank canvas and then go in with an open mind to the conference committee and try to come up with a bill that’s acceptable to conservatives and is certainly a vast improvement over what we have now.

Best thing ever is to type in a reply and have it refreshed into oblivion.

Okay Joanna. Tell me about the TruCons.

You are a true paranoiac if you thing I am Joanna.

Conservatives didn’t stay home in either election and the exit polls proved it.

Yes they did, 4.1 million less bush voters for McCain in ’08 and another 2+ million less than that for Romney in ’12.

The problem is that there were more democrats and independents voting for Obama than there were independents and republicans for McCain/Romney.

By that logic you should probably rethink the whole “all or nothing idea” since conservatives are outnumbered by the unwashed masses. Perhaps we should be after a punch that’s bigger than our weight class?

But lets nominate another one in the same vein. Because doing the same thing and expecting different results always works.

You undercut your own argument. You say that there “were more democrats and independents voting for Obama than there were independents and republicans for McCain/Romney” yet you seem to want someone who will turn off the independents. Want to rethink this?

The chairman and several board members all supported the Senate amnesty first bill:

Not according to the link you posted.

He tells Newsmax that he remains confident that the House will bring forth stronger immigration reforms than in the Senate’s bill.

“The House can do a better job. We’re a conservative chamber. We can redo immigration reform. We can make it the way we want it to be. We can start from a blank canvas and then go in with an open mind to the conference committee and try to come up with a bill that’s acceptable to conservatives and is certainly a vast improvement over what we have now.

Still, troubling, I’ll admit.

Al Cardenas supports High Speed Rail. Via Sunshine State News:

Lets get ‘em. Oh wait, he works in a law firm that gets hired to do lobbying. Lets get him because he’s a filthy lawyer.

His law firm represents individuals who support international law over the sovereignty of the US. Grover Norquist supports both amnesty and is a muslim sympathizer, along with another ACU board member and terrorist sympathizer Suhail Khan. Redstate article:

That’s a red state diary, seems to be the only one by that author. It’s a masterwork of guilt by association or even proximity. Regardless, do you believe the ACU is out to damage conservatism? Please answer that.

They are real pieces of work. Suhail Khan’s parents started the Muslim Brotherhood association in the US.

Video Straight from the Horses Mouth:
So yeah. Real conspiracy theory there huh

So the damn dirty muslims are involved with the ACU to inflate Mitch McConnells conservative rating It’s all to protect the NSA, CIA, FBI, NOW, MTV, Illuminati, Bilderberg, trilateral commission, anal probing space alien plot to beam mind control waves into our fillings using the HAARP array and the chemtrails to activate the fluoride in the water to make us all believe that fire melts steel. I really blame the Joooos.
Are we bonding yet?

These guys run CPAC and the ACU. Which gave your boy McConnell a 90% rating. You can keep it.

Is there any rating service out there that will tell you what you want to hear that’s OK with you?

They are a lobbying group who is after better conditions for business.

Are you serious? Of course your not Joanna.

Yes Kos, I am serious.

If they wanted better conditions for business, you think they would think out the natural conclusions to their support for amnesty. What do you think is going to happen to the pro-business party when 20 million socialist supporting illegal aliens are legalized to vote? The anti-business party will be in majority for the foreseeable future.

So they don’t want better business conditions, they are an amnesty front group along with the ACU.

No they just want cheap labor and special tax breaks. But what they will get is none of that.

If conservatives keep staying home they wont. The cheap labor will be offset by the jumps in minimum wage and taxes will go to full on french levels.

Yep. Just keep voting for the same people because the other side is worse. Yawn.

Yeah, trying something different and voting for socialists is stupid. AGAIN, you had your chance to replace McConnell and you failed. Big time. Next time don’t nominate a yokel who likes cockfighting.

Yawn.

Not a rebuttal.

They still had 59 votes in the Senate and the House. FIFTEEN Republicans voted for the Amnesty first, security second, aka never bill last year!

Was McConnell one of them? By the way, what have you done to stop anesty other than tossing elections to people who pledge to pass amnesty?

Are you telling me that Graham, McCain, Snowe, Collins, Lugar, Hatch, Bennett, Hutchinson, Cornyn, Alexander, Shelby, or McConnell himself wouldn’t have voted for an amnesty bill if Reid had brought it up. You are an idiot if you believe they wouldn’t have.

OK so we are back to “Because I don’t think the democrats actually want to pass amnesty. They just want an issue to bludgeon republicans over. The republicans do want it and have for a while. So as of now, a vote for most republicans is a vote for amnesty.” which is still crazy.

Again, they could have passed it in 2009, 2010 and didn’t. If they wanted it bad, they would have passed it.

They need to get it through the house, which has blocked it. We are back to square one. You aren’t listening.

The illegal aliens can already vote now.

“They can put a man on the moon but they still can’t rescue those 7 stranded castaways… ”

You are a fundamentally unserious person. Have you not seen or heard ANY of the voter fraud news over the past ten years? There is almost no verification being done in hundreds of precincts across the country.

Yes, there is voter fraud but a;ll 11-15 million illegals aren’t voting as they coukd be if there were an amnesty. Which is why the democrats want amnesty.

All is not lost. But this country cannot be corrected in its current form with the current GOP leadership. The longer they wait, the more severe the correction will be needed. Which may end up with unsavory results.

Work to change the leadership then, not to empower democrats. You do that within the GOP, not working against it.

Why don’t you try trolling the other websites and posting under your alter ego V7 to convince them that you are the brightest mind in the world, because millions of voters didn’t buy your crap in 2012

Brock Robamney on May 25, 2014 at 6:22 AM

How ’bout you go Moby ( I think that’s the usage) somewhere else. Your sympathy and concern are so fake it’s ludicrous. And by the way, That dude, Boehner, you keep referencing, ummmm, he’s in the house. Because you probably didn’t know. I smell opportunity for a pay raise!!!!!

What??? They didn’t teach you in PolySci that there are LOTS of people who think like me? Ahhhh, I am soooo sorry. reality sucks. So does 17.5 TRILLION of debt and a senate that can’t bring a vote on a BUDGET!

I was responding to your insinuation that Obama’s only major accomplishment was that he passed Obamacare. I am pretty sure that these two will have more than enough lasting influence to outshine Obamacare. Both passed with Republican support. Just like the two imbeciles Hagel and Kerry.

Someone already tried to explain the whole budget thing to you. Al they can do with a slim majority in 1/2 of 1/3rd of the government is shut the whole thing down and that has backfired on them. (see the post when it comes out of moderation.

Let me explain how the government works. The House creates the spending and the senate confirms. If the House doesn’t like it, it stops sending the Senate the bills. How it actually works under Boehner is that he stomps his feet a bit and acts outraged, but then passes everything the Senate wants. The Legislature is the power in the government.
The executive only has the power to enforce the law under its jurisdiction and can act unilaterally (improperly) under agencies it controls. The courts have an informal role in arbiting the constitutionality of the law, but they cannot enforce it. They govern by prestige alone since they have no actual legal backing to enforce their decrees.

And secondly, since when is 54% a slim majority. If 54% was a landslide for Obama in 2008, then it obviously was not a “slim majority.”

Stop excusing the GOP leadership for their poor performance.

So they should just shut down government indefinitely. That wont work.

The government shutdown did not affect national republicans. Just like conservatives said would happen. The democrats were blinking in the House and if they would have held out, they would have made the Senate blink. But again, John Boehner and the leadership in the House blinked first, like they do every time.

And considering the government has been “shut down” 18 times since 1976, it has worked in the past.

Not to mention the numerous Obamacare fixes that they keep passing which lowers the demand for repeal and taking the heat off of democrats. Or the amnesty legislation that McConnell specifically did not lobby against with his members. Or Boehner drunkenly and publically criticizing members who did not want to support amnesty legislation.

…And then we went off the rails.

So no rebuttal apparently.

Conservatives didn’t stay home in either election and the exit polls proved it.

Not according to the Wall St Journal.
4.1 million (Then there were those who didn’t show up. There were 4.1 million fewer Republicans voting this year than in 2004.)
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Yeah, I was not talking about Republicans. Please read what I posted. I was talking about conservatives. In fact, vs 2004, Conservatives showed up and voted republican by an 82% margin. Bush got 84%. They showed up and comprised 35% of the electorate. In fact vs. 2008, they were a percent higher in 2012.

Talk to the moderates who voted against Romney by a 15% margin, and they made up 41% of the electorate. People tried to warn the GOP that Romney was the wrong candidate to run, but all we got was “shut up, electable.”

The chairman and several board members all supported the Senate amnesty first bill:

Not according to the link you posted.
He tells Newsmax that he remains confident that the House will bring forth stronger immigration reforms than in the Senate’s bill.
“The House can do a better job. We’re a conservative chamber. We can redo immigration reform. We can make it the way we want it to be. We can start from a blank canvas and then go in with an open mind to the conference committee and try to come up with a bill that’s acceptable to conservatives and is certainly a vast improvement over what we have now.

Oh come on! Really? If we are going to cherry pick from that article, let me also get the Chairman of the ACU’s own words as well.

“Legalization makes sense. These people are working here already. They’re in the shadows. They’re not being as productive as they could be, but they’ve been trained. They don’t pay taxes. They live in a shadow environment — and we need to legalize the process and do away with what the president has done, which is against the rule of law.”
-Al Cardenas ACU Chairman

So it makes sense to legalize people who have already broken our immigration laws and subsequently broke more laws to work here, collect welfare, and get subsidized public education amongst other things. So we have people committing identity theft, welfare fraud, and tax fraud. But it “makes sense.” And we have to legislate what the president has illegally done in defiance of law to make it “legal.” I guess it “makes sense.”

Another one:

“Conservatives need to get to work. They need to pass border and internal security measures that befit who we are as conservatives. We need to pass market-based demands for employment to fix our legal immigration programs — and, yes, we need to give legal status to the people who are here.”
-Al Cardenas ACU Chairman

In reality we get: the Senate bill in conference committee. We ALREADY did this in 1986. What happened since then? No enforcement, greater illegal immigration, fraud, violence, and gang activity. So lets do it again right?!

Okay Joanna. Tell me about the TruCons.

You are a true paranoiac if you thing I am Joanna.

You are starting to talk like her, see above statement, minus the TRUCON ELEVENTY!11!

By that logic you should probably rethink the whole “all or nothing idea” since conservatives are outnumbered by the unwashed masses. Perhaps we should be after a punch that’s bigger than our weight class?

No we need better messaging and better candidates. Bevin was a crappy candidate. But McConnell is worse because of his position in authority. He allows his colleagues to run off the reservation. He divides the factions more than united them. Do you see Democrats trashing their base? No.

But lets nominate another one in the same vein. Because doing the same thing and expecting different results always works.
You undercut your own argument. You say that there “were more democrats and independents voting for Obama than there were independents and republicans for McCain/Romney” yet you seem to want someone who will turn off the independents. Want to rethink this?

Romney won independents and he tried to appeal to conservatives more than McCain did. The problem is that he played prevent defense just like McCain did. GOPe candidates always have this blind spot for democrats. Obama played the class warfare thing remarkably well, which Gingrich and Perry tried to warn everyone about. Romney played right into Obama’s hands.

I can forgive some statements and misspeaks. I cannot forgive actions like amnesty, or repeated actions that are in conflict with small government principles.

I like Walker. I don’t like his amnesty stance, but he has stated he was misquoted several times.

Al Cardenas supports High Speed Rail. Via Sunshine State News:

Lets get ‘em. Oh wait, he works in a law firm that gets hired to do lobbying. Lets get him because he’s a filthy lawyer.

He was listed as a lobbyist for the HSR project. Yes, lets have the American Conservative Union chairman supporting lefty mass transit collectivist boondoggles like the one in California.

That’s a red state diary, seems to be the only one by that author. It’s a masterwork of guilt by association or even proximity. Regardless, do you believe the ACU is out to damage conservatism? Please answer that.

They damage conservatism when they score candidates as high as they do to give them ammunition against more conservative candidates. They tend to cherry pick issues too much and forget to score things like debt ceiling raises and other big issues. The Heritage Foundation scorecard or the CFG scorecard is a much better measure.

They are real pieces of work. Suhail Khan’s parents started the Muslim Brotherhood association in the US.

So the damn dirty muslims are involved with the ACU to inflate Mitch McConnells conservative rating It’s all to protect the NSA, CIA, FBI, NOW, MTV, Illuminati, Bilderberg, trilateral commission, anal probing space alien plot to beam mind control waves into our fillings using the HAARP array and the chemtrails to activate the fluoride in the water to make us all believe that fire melts steel. I really blame the Joooos.
Are we bonding yet?
V7_Sport on May 25, 2014 at 8:54 PM

So many red herrings and ad hominem attacks. Lovely. You argue like my liberal friends.

Suhail Khan has gone to conferences with known terrorist sympathizers and the one giving Khan the award in that video is now in jail for the next 23 years for planning a terrorist attack:http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2004/October/04_crm_698.htm
It makes me question why the ACU still has someone like him and Norquist on their board.

But you can continue to try and poison the well of the conversation with your conspiracy theories obsession.

These guys run CPAC and the ACU. Which gave your boy McConnell a 90% rating. You can keep it.

Is there any rating service out there that will tell you what you want to hear that’s OK with you?

Already answered above.

They are a lobbying group who is after better conditions for business.

If they wanted better conditions for business, you think they would think out the natural conclusions to their support for amnesty. What do you think is going to happen to the pro-business party when 20 million socialist supporting illegal aliens are legalized to vote? The anti-business party will be in majority for the foreseeable future.

So they don’t want better business conditions, they are an amnesty front group along with the ACU.

They might as well be. Because an amnesty that allows that many democrat politicians to get into power subsumes all theirs and their members other interests.

So yes, they might as well be.

No they just want cheap labor and special tax breaks. But what they will get is none of that.

If conservatives keep staying home they wont. The cheap labor will be offset by the jumps in minimum wage and taxes will go to full on french levels.

Conservatives haven’t stayed home. Already answered. But conservatives should push for minimum wage hikes to shut the amnesty people up, might as well use that leverage and “work across the aisle” that McCain and friends are so fond of.

Yep. Just keep voting for the same people because the other side is worse. Yawn.

Yeah, trying something different and voting for socialists is stupid. AGAIN, you had your chance to replace McConnell and you failed. Big time. Next time don’t nominate a yokel who likes cockfighting.

He was losing before those revelations came to light. Conservatives should try something different. Don’t vote for McConnell or Grimes. Let the GOPe carry him across the finish line with the liberal republicans if they can.

Yawn.

Not a rebuttal.

When you starting arguing without throwing out logical fallacies every three to four words maybe I’ll respond with more than a yawn.

They still had 59 votes in the Senate and the House. FIFTEEN Republicans voted for the Amnesty first, security second, aka never bill last year!

Was McConnell one of them? By the way, what have you done to stop anesty other than tossing elections to people who pledge to pass amnesty?

Lets talk about McConnell:
Mitch McConnell voted for the original amnesty in 1986
Mitch McConnell co-sponsored an amnesty bill in 2000
Mitch McConnell voted for amnesty in 2006
Mitch McConnell voted against the border fence in July of 2006, but it became popular (imagine that) and voted for it in September 2006.
Mitch McConnell originally voted FOR the amnesty in 2007 but changed his vote against after the needed 40 senators voted to kill it.
Mitch McConnell voted against the immigration bill this year after not commenting on it the whole time it was in front of the Senate and voted FOR cloture on the bill to bring it up.
Mitch McConnell was pushing for the House to go to conference with an immigration bill where the legalization first language would replace any enforcement provisions.

OK so we are back to “Because I don’t think the democrats actually want to pass amnesty. They just want an issue to bludgeon republicans over. The republicans do want it and have for a while. So as of now, a vote for most republicans is a vote for amnesty.” which is still crazy.

Why would they? They believed they had a realignment on their hands, see Carville et al. If they wanted to pass amnesty they would have and with happy republican support.
Again, they could have passed it in 2009/2010 and didn’t. If they wanted it “bad”, they would have passed it.

They need to get it through the house, which has blocked it. We are back to square one. You aren’t listening.

The democrats HAD the house under a 256 majority. Is that still a “slim majority” or is that just a majority now? If they wanted amnesty, they would have DEFINITELY gotten it through the HOR.

The illegal aliens can already vote now.

“They can put a man on the moon but they still can’t rescue those 7 stranded castaways… ”

Well your assertations point to me being an apparent conspiracy theorist. So let me point out that they didn’t land on the moon and that it was filmed in a Hollywood studio, so therefore your argument is WRONG! Is that want you want to hear?

Yes, there is voter fraud but a;ll 11-15 million illegals aren’t voting as they coukd be if there were an amnesty. Which is why the democrats want amnesty.

Again, they could have had an amnesty in seconds in 2009 and 2010. And they didn’t budge on it for two years with total control. Yeah. They just want to drum up turnout now. But the republicans are dumb enough to give them the rope to hand the party with.

Work to change the leadership then, not to empower democrats. You do that within the GOP, not working against it.
V7_Sport on May 25, 2014 at 9:12 PM

Well at this point the party leadership is openly mocking a large faction of the base and daring them to do something. I tell them good luck with that. A real leader unites, but with McConell and Boehner, we have petty aristocrats.

Yeah, I was not talking about Republicans. Please read what I posted. I was talking about conservatives. In fact, vs 2004, Conservatives showed up and voted republican by an 82% margin. Bush got 84%. They showed up and comprised 35% of the electorate. In fact vs. 2008, they were a percent higher in 2012.

Talk to the moderates who voted against Romney by a 15% margin, and they made up 41% of the electorate. People tried to warn the GOP that Romney was the wrong candidate to run, but all we got was “shut up, electable.”

NWConservative on May 26, 2014 at 12:52 AM

So…Romney needs to work harder to appeal to conservatives. Got it.

Vote Grimes!!!

Hey, and just for shyts and giggles, can you name me any vulnerable democrats you would vote against and why?

A general election boycott won’t happen? It already has.Ask Mitt Romney.It wasn’t advertised,but it helped lose him the election.I didn’t join it then,but I sure have now.Death to the GOP!
redware on May 26, 2014 at 4:42 AM

The Krispy Kremers are in denial. They still think that we will keep pulling the lever for the R’s as the nation collapses

Hey, and just for shyts and giggles, can you name me any vulnerable democrats you would vote against and why?

WryTrvllr on May 26, 2014 at 2:44 AM

Read what I wrote. Romney needed to have better across the board appeal.

He lost moderates by over 15% almost double what Bush lost them by in 2004. However, Romney actually lost liberals by less than GWB did, however it was by a 60 point margin vs I believe a ~70 point margin with Bush.

The reason he lost moderates was that he was made to be an extreme, cancer giving, Wall Street loving, Big Business crony who could care less about the “little guy.” They tried to tie him to Bush too. It worked, because he never fought back the way he did against the primary opponents. Just like McCain, although he did not go as far as he did telling us there was nothing to fear from an Obama candidacy. He was a bad candidate and an especially bad one for that environment. It was only the horrible record of Obama that kept it close.

Every vulnerable democrat needs to be kicked out. But I believe that McConnell is taking resources away from other candidates that need it. Would you throw away the seats to the democrats in NC, WV, AR, and LA to prop him up? Because the RNC and the NRSC will be throwing gobs of cash to get him across.

I don’t think conservatives should prop up existing office holders just because they are republicans, they need to give us a reason to vote for them other than they are not team blue.

Trying to talk these people in off the ledge is fighting against darwinism. They are passionate about making themselves extinct and immune to evidence. Perhaps it’s time we just got it over with and told them to jump.

There was little in the findings for the GOP to feel good about. The party’s image has sunk to an all-time low in Post-ABC surveys, with 32 percent of the public saying they have a favorable opinion and 63 percent saying they have an unfavorable view. Almost four in 10 Americans have a strongly unfavorable view of the GOP.
The tea party fares just as badly. Barely a quarter of the public has a favorable image of the movement, the lowest rating in Post-ABC polling.

I could go on with this, those were literally just the first few Google results.
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Arguing that McConnell should not be reelected does not equal keeping Reid in power. Maybe the liberal Republicans should have backed Angle in Nevada in 2010 instead of going home or backing Reid. But it only is bad when conservatives don’t back candidates.

….The tactic’s pioneer was Harry Reid, the Senate majority leader, whose 2010 campaign brain trust thought he stood a better chance against Sharron Angle, a far-right Tea Partier with a checkered history, than against Sue Lowden, the early frontrunner backed by the state GOP establishment. The idea of Reid meddling in the Republican primary was nonetheless a sensitive enough idea that he sought to distance himself from it; it was a nominally independent political-action committee called Patriot Majority that began attacking Lowden for her “chickens for checkups” gaffe, in which she proposed that people barter poultry for health care, like in the old days.

Patriot Majority was styled to seem like a Tea Party group, with its militia-invoking name and a logo that looked like a Minuteman. But it was run by a former Reid aide and funded mostly by labor unions. The group spent $320,000 attacking Lowden at a time when Angle’s poorly funded campaign was ill equipped to do so, helping Angle come out of nowhere to win the primary. Aides to Lowden grumbled about Reid’s “fingerprints” on her loss. Reid denied having anything to do with it, and Patriot Majority immediately pivoted to attacking Angle.