From what Godes and George told Martinez they have or almost have a marketable cold fusion boiler technology. Brillouin’s president and chief technology officer Robert Godes is an electrical engineer has been working on LENR for about twenty years.

Martinez said he has been aware of Brillouin’s work for some time but was asked to keep it under wraps by George and his partners. Godes and George are now ready to go public because the LENR technology is almost ready for commercialization. From what they said to Martinez they appear to be seeking investors. George said he didn’t want to make any revelations to the public until the company had a working boiler. He and Godes are apparently confident that they have a working boiler.

Steam Boiler

“The reason we’re doing the interview now is that Robert Godes has created a reaction that can stop and start the reactor,” George said. He said that Brillouin has about $1 million in funding but needs $1 million more.

“Just a few million dollars could actually bring this technology to the point where original equipment manufacturers could start producing these for general consumption,” Godes said.

“This technology could go in and repower those coal plants with LENR,” Godes added. “It would take a few million dollars to bring this technology to bear on the energy problems of the world.”

Brillouin’s business plan is to develop a cold fusion boiler technology that can be licensed to manufacturers. The company plans to do no manufacturing of its own. Instead they want to focus on building a boiler that can be installed in existing furnaces and power plants.

The company is developing two different systems. The first will be a “wet boiler” that will heat water to 140 degrees Celsius (284 degrees Fahrenheit). This will be used for home and commercial heating and water heating, George noted. That would be similar to Rossi’s ecat home unit.

“The other system will be capable of generating electric power out of some of the existing coal fired power plants,” Godes said. This system will heat water to 400 to 450 degrees Celsius (752 to 842 degrees Fahrenheit) which should be enough to operate existing steam turbines. That system could be used to replace coal, oil and gas fired boilers in some existing power plants.

The 450 degree system should begin testing at SRI a well respected private research laboratory in Menlo Park California in the near future, George said. The testing will be done in conjunction with respected cold fusion researcher Mike McKubre. McKubre was skeptical of cold fusion but he has since become a believer. A video of Mr. McKubrie discussing fusion is below.

Brillouin unlike Andrea Rossi and Defkalion has no manufacturing plans. Instead it plans to develop an LENR heating unit that other companies will manufacture and adapt to existing boiler technology.

“We don’t plan to be a manufacturer we plan to be a licenser,” George said.

Martinez asked what differentiated Brillouin from competitors like Andrea Rossi and Defkalion.

“The big difference between what Brilluoin is doing and what everybody else is doing is control,” Godes said. He said he had developed an electronic system that could control a low energy nuclear reaction. This system is what makes Brillouin’s boiler technology possible.

Brillouin Logo

When asked how the system works, Godes said it is creating what he calls a controlled electron capture reaction. This is a two-step reaction; the first step is endothermic which absorbs energy. In this step nucleons accumulate on a hydrogen, palladium or nickel nuclei. When enough nucleons accumulate the second step or an exothermic reaction that releases energy and generates heat occurs.

“What we’re providing is a system that will be a new boiler it will be the heating source,” Godes said of the basic technology. The technology apparently uses nickel and hydrogen to create the reaction.

George noted that Godes has not really invented anything new. Instead he’s simply figured out how to control the process that Pons and Fleischman discovered back in 1989.

“He’s basically invented a control system to capitalize on a system that was invented 22 years ago by Pons and Fleischman,” George said. The secret to Brillouin’s technology is apparently the electronic control system that Godes an electrical engineer has developed. George said the proprietary secret in the system is the frequencies that the electronics operate upon. These make it possible to control the reaction. They may also create and drive the low energy nuclear reaction itself.

Godes Doubts Rossi, NASA and Defkalion’s Claims

The difference between Brillouin’s technology and Rossi and Defaklion’s is the level of control. Godes thinks that he is able to control the reaction and to turn it on and off using his system. He doesn’t think that Rossi and Defkalion are able to do that. Godes doubted Andrea Rossi’s claims that he is about to produce a commercially viable version of his ecat LENR technology.

“I don’t think he can really reliably turn his units on and off again,” Godes said of Rossi. “Based on what I see. There’s no way. He can’t produce that.” Godes said he had posted to Rossi’s website.

“He maybe sort of kind of doing a q-pulse,” Godes noted. “He is missing critical components that are needed.”

Godes was still enthusiastic about Rossi and his work despite his doubts.

“It’s great to have somebody with something that is almost useful out there,” Godes said. Godes also cast some doubt on Rossi’s competitors at Defkalion.

“I don’t think that either one of those companies has an actual product,” Godes said of Rossi and Defkalion.

Godes noted that unlike Andrea Rossi he has had a lot of experience developing and designing electronic devices for market. He said 100,000 units of one product that he created are being sold. From what he said it sounds as if Godes doesn’t think Rossi understands the manufacturing process.

When asked how much the system would cost. Godes said it cost about 30% more than a conventional fossil fuel boiler. These are presumably installation costs.

The cost of installation and operation would be determined by the manufacturers and installers, George said. He estimated that it would cost about 1¢ to generate a kilowatt hour of electricity using the large steam boiler system. Neither George nor Godes said how much it would cost to operate the home system.

Brillouin has applied for LENR patents in a number of countries, George said. Its’ patent application has been granted in China but not in the United States. It is also close to getting a patent in Japan.

The US Patent Office will not grant Brillouin a patent until it has a working cold fusion device, George said. He noted that the company is working with a patent examiner who is a retired plasma physics expert. This examiner is enthusiastic about the technology but the Patent Office itself is not.

“The edict has been handed down from on high that they are not to grant any patents in this field,” George said of the patent office. He believes that Patent Office’s reluctance is rooted in the Pons and Fleischman fiasco of 1989.

One of Brillouin's test devices

Brillouin has had a number of visitors at its facilities in Berkley California, Godes said. He noted that representatives the US Navy’s Surface Warfare Laboratory have visited his facility. He also said that representatives of an unidentified government agency from Washington have visited the facility. These experts will return to conduct testing on the device in the next few months. Neither Godes nor George mentioned unconfirmed internet rumors that Godes’ LENR device is being tested at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico.

George also confirmed that he has been contacted by representatives of Cold Fusion Energy Inc. That group is a consortium of researchers including Francessco Celani and George Miley that is working to commercialize cold fusion. George didn’t want to participate in the group because of politics.

When asked why it had taken so long to develop an LENR process, Godes said it was because successful cold fusion research and development requires experts from a number of different fields. Godes thinks such scientists often have a hard time communicating with people in other disciplines so the needed teamwork doesn’t occur.

Even though Robert George is an experienced venture capitalist Brillouin has only attracted money from individual angel investors. These investors include Jan Scholes a San Francisco area attorney who is married to Dr. Myron Scholes the 1997 winner of the Nobel Prize in economics. Scholes helped create the famous Black Scholes Option Pricing Model widely used in the financial industry.

James Martinez courtesy Cash Flow Radio

George said that he has not been able to attract institutional investment although institutional investors have shown some interest. George is a managing partner of a venture capital group called Grosevenor Financial Partners. Godes said some large corporations that he failed to identify have shown interest in his LENR process and sent representatives to visit his facility.

Let’s hope George and Godes can get the money they and get the process up and running the world needs it. Maybe they should invite Dick Smith and his experts for a visit. They should also make sure that Mr. Smith brings his checkbook and they should cash the check before he leaves the country.

Is Cold Fusion Going Hollywood?

Low Energy Nuclear Reaction could receive a lot of more attention in the next few months, Martinez said. He predicted that what he called “a major Hollywood celebrity” would make an announcement about it that would attract a lot of public attention. Since Martinez didn’t identify the celebrity or the source of the rumor his claim should be viewed with skepticism.