So I've always really liked Jace and after seeing this post (see image 4) I got excited about the M15 Jace. Personally I think (and hope) that they reprint Jace Beleren because he's a balanced yet powerful card draw engine, especially for a control deck. But the art is different so maybe it's a totally new Jace (which would be sick!). However, I don't think they'll do this because for the months before Khans of Tarkir there would be three Jaces in standard and this might make U/W, Esper and UWR control decks a bit too powerful. So I was wondering what you guys they'll do for Jace in M15?

It allows for more powerful decks, but more importantly I think it allows for more metagame dependent decks, partly because people have a better idea what they're playing with, but also because there is such a wide pool of cards.

I know people say things like "limitations breed creativity," and maybe it depends on the season, but when Theros came out it was basically Mono U, Mono B, or U based control, take your pick, which doesn't require much creativity.

What everyone else said: rotation will happen when Khan becomes legal on September 26th. For a short time we will have 2 blocks and 2 core sets all legal at the same time (Return to Ravnica block, M14, Theros block, and M15). On September 26 we will have Theros, M15, and Khan (just the first set, because the rest will be released over the upcoming months).

No it didn't see a lot, probably because there were better 4 drops in the 2 decks that would want to play it, and tapping out on turn 4 was a sure way for a thragtusk to hit, and he was annoying to deal with.

Jace's +1 is meh in deeper formats, but is still a powerhouse in standard. Even though I've dropped him to a 2 of in the last month, his presence as a four of in u/w for so long is because every single one of his abilities is relevant and useful. The +1 is all you want vs mono blue a lot of the time (not to mention other weenie decks, and working towards being one of the best wincons in control mirrors), and keeps him alive vs an incoming mutavault while costing the opponent mana and time treading water. He's not overpowered like jtms but he's far from mediocre.

One's banned in Modern, one isn't. One is good enough to see play in the same format as Black Lotus, one isn't. One was banned from standard, the other didn't even see play in many of the decks playing its color while it was in standard.

I'm not disagreeing with you about JTMS being better than Lili, but once people realized how good Liliana was she was in just about every black deck. Last summer Liliana of the Veil was basically the only reason you played black, and she was the main reason the Bg The Rock deck was so successful.

That's not my point. You said compared to the greatest Planeswalker, everyone else is mediocre. My point is that Liliana isn't just mediocre compared to him. She's better than most other Planeswalkers and frequently carries games that she shows up in. That's not to say Jace doesn't. I think she deserves a little more respect than "just another Planeswalker," even when compared to JTMS.

The number of Jaces in a format really does not make a real difference in any particular style of deck being more powerful or not, because there probably won't be many scenarios where multiple versions are played in the most competitive decks. Now what might happen with multiple Jaces is that new decks open up, but that's not actually a bad thing.

That said, I hope they reprint Jace Belaren. That was a very elegant and good card without being too powerful. And I miss its presence.

There seems to be a lot of returning to old cycles, both in the spoilers and in the articles.
Even the "Soul of ___" cycle seems like we're going to be led on an interplanar chase (or being chased interplanary), as we follow Garruk, or vice versa.

Given the Walkers that have been spoiled, we're being led to

*Ravnica: Jace (the RTR one will rotate by then, giving us Memory Adept only)

Because mostly, it was. Kind of. The weatherlight (ship) and its crew has a pretty long history that involves many characters, but because there are so many parts to the crew and the phyrexian invasion, it can feel kind of scattered when they try to follow up with everything in a single block.

All I know is that no matter what, if they reprint either Jace 1.0 or make a Jace 5.0 I'm going to be playing 12 Jace. Similar to the concept of 12 Post but I have Jace instead. Also I don't really have a win con other then mill.