tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post1286860263289604885..comments2015-03-03T10:14:17.659-08:00Comments on John K Stuff: Irv Spence - Perfect Cartoon-Animation Drawing PrinciplesJohnKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14033480276168015590noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-49087710069765013312008-04-19T18:10:00.000-07:002008-04-19T18:10:00.000-07:00Great blog. Love the cartoon stuff.It shoud take a...Great blog. Love the cartoon stuff.<BR/>It shoud take awhile to work through your blog.<BR/><BR/>I have some cartoon pictures posted on my blog. <BR/><BR/>http://billcarnes.blogspot.com/billhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04117792932022412361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-68231825740993197722008-04-15T08:47:00.000-07:002008-04-15T08:47:00.000-07:00Nice post - you really know your stuff. Thanks fo...Nice post - you really know your stuff. Thanks for sharing.Jason Miskiminshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00425891161083757595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-5868078865139189722008-04-15T08:44:00.000-07:002008-04-15T08:44:00.000-07:00If Vincent Waller, a veteran animator, says he can...If Vincent Waller, a veteran animator, says he can learn from these model sheets, then that says a lot both about Spence's mastery of the form, and about Waller's dedication to the art.litlgreyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03157965394480138787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-67233216730057387602008-04-15T07:36:00.000-07:002008-04-15T07:36:00.000-07:00Well, I found my drawing lessons for today.Well, I found my drawing lessons for today.Vincent Wallerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03505903461868673973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-70969057316910904222008-04-14T22:16:00.000-07:002008-04-14T22:16:00.000-07:00Hey JohnI posted my first attempts here:www.holysh...Hey John<BR/>I posted my first attempts here:<BR/><BR/>www.holyshenanigans.blogspot.com<BR/><BR/>I got pretty close to the original (first time using overlays too). I'd like to hear what you have to say.<BR/><BR/>Josh HeisieJosh "Just What the Doctor Ordered" Heisiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05031598624935355862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-61143210369885924112008-04-14T21:48:00.000-07:002008-04-14T21:48:00.000-07:00It's been a long time since I've looked at "Slap H...It's been a long time since I've looked at "Slap Happy Lion" with an eye to who animated what. I knew Ray Abrams style very well from his Lantz work, his patented eye blink formula, etc. So that left only Bob Bentley and Walt Clinton to sort out. Bob's animation is very good, but the drawing is a little more conservative, I think he did the scene at the beginning of the picture with the lion in Mark Kauslerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04055793503441187000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-4425790572967910002008-04-14T21:02:00.000-07:002008-04-14T21:02:00.000-07:00Wow such control!Students should learn to draw thi...Wow such control!<BR/><BR/>Students should learn to draw this before they get their license to draw their own characters.<BR/><BR/>Hell I should learn to draw this. That "Bums away" one is just beautiful.Timothy Merkshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00979216894917693956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-28108913267554783252008-04-14T20:59:00.000-07:002008-04-14T20:59:00.000-07:00thanks for the post john...very interesting. it's...thanks for the post john...very interesting. it's amazing to see the stark contrast of the tom and jerry cartoon drawings of the nearly geometric mice vs. the organic mouse! once you visually separate the shapes, it's hard to see it for the whole ever again in that picture!!! thanks for ruining it for me by golly!!!Aaron Jhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07060173390484604775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-22140246152449788232008-04-14T13:49:00.000-07:002008-04-14T13:49:00.000-07:00John, can you be more specific?The last model shee...John, can you be more specific?<BR/><BR/>The last model sheet, where you point out the errors.... I'm not animator enough to see these errors, and I've already drawn this model sheet twice.<BR/><BR/>- trevor.Booo Tooons Ltd.http://www.blogger.com/profile/08554109671909765241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-38927519472739624492008-04-14T13:02:00.000-07:002008-04-14T13:02:00.000-07:00Yikes- that was a fug-up on my part. Thanks, Mark...Yikes- that was a fug-up on my part. Thanks, Mark!<BR/><BR/>BTW, he DOES have a blog.<BR/>http://itsthecat.com/blogThornhillhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01470631022216539786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-53890657695944575462008-04-14T11:58:00.000-07:002008-04-14T11:58:00.000-07:00Hi Markthanks for the info.How did you figure tha...Hi Mark<BR/><BR/>thanks for the info.<BR/><BR/>How did you figure that out? Did Clinton animate that whole roaring sequence?<BR/><BR/>Would he have done his own posing?JohnKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14033480276168015590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-38274941002553900012008-04-14T11:17:00.000-07:002008-04-14T11:17:00.000-07:00Probably the reason Irv Spence liked working for J...Probably the reason Irv Spence liked working for Joe and Bill on the Tom & Jerry cartoons was because they were so formulaic that he could breeze through them in his sleep. Just a guess.<BR/> Even as a kid I picked up on how generic the characters were,and always wondered why they didnt have more fun with it.<BR/> Still I liked Tom and Jerry's sound effects and over the top violence,and of courseJim Rockfordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03086033230534713351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-43968150435596180982008-04-14T11:10:00.000-07:002008-04-14T11:10:00.000-07:00Mark Kausler needs to start a blog!- trevor.Mark Kausler needs to start a blog!<BR/><BR/>- trevor.Booo Tooons Ltd.http://www.blogger.com/profile/08554109671909765241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-60072215672659402172008-04-14T11:05:00.000-07:002008-04-14T11:05:00.000-07:00Hey Mark ! Thanks for pointing out Irv's scenes in...Hey Mark ! Thanks for pointing out Irv's scenes in Little Red Walking Hood on the commentary for that film.PCUnfunnyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00518171797365794688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-20942119394661765502008-04-14T08:40:00.000-07:002008-04-14T08:40:00.000-07:00He probably had problems with Tex because Avery pu...He probably had problems with Tex because Avery pushed him harder.<BR/><BR/>And as a result, I love his work for Tex better than for any other director.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for these great drawings, Kevin!Booo Tooons Ltd.http://www.blogger.com/profile/08554109671909765241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-45817501804522772402008-04-14T08:18:00.000-07:002008-04-14T08:18:00.000-07:00AArrrrGGh this is such a useful post! Irv Spence'...AArrrrGGh this is such a useful post! Irv Spence's lines are amazing 0_0 I went off looking at other art now and it all looks so static! I think i'm gonna put more Irv UMPH in my drawings now, thanks John, great post!Gabriele_Gabbahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16393081239254108879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-58212535471977294202008-04-14T05:31:00.000-07:002008-04-14T05:31:00.000-07:00Humbling. Very humbling.Humbling. Very humbling.Dear Joshyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04055475248239261680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-24210628588421398112008-04-13T23:03:00.000-07:002008-04-13T23:03:00.000-07:00Those animation drawings from "Slap Happy Lion" ar...Those animation drawings from "Slap Happy Lion" are by Walt Clinton, they come from my collection. Clinton did a lot of funny scenes in that cartoon, including the lion's panicked run with the bomb in his tail. They actually shot the drawings for that book outdoors on a picnic table, that's why there is a shadow on the bottom of the page. Good analysis of Irv's model sheets, John. I took Irv's Mark Kauslerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04055793503441187000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-71343511434912196512008-04-13T22:02:00.000-07:002008-04-13T22:02:00.000-07:00I watched a lot of Tom and Jerry as a kid, and I c...I watched a lot of Tom and Jerry as a kid, and I could pick Irv's scenes out easily. He had a way of drawing faces that was really easy to pick out--and he put more life in the gags than anybody else who worked on Tom and Jerry, it seemed.<BR/><BR/>The only other artist I could ever pick out was the most conservative, Disneyish one of the bunch, Ken Muse.<BR/><BR/>Of course I didn't know their Krishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16937180031573836295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-40973976845449219552008-04-13T14:15:00.000-07:002008-04-13T14:15:00.000-07:00THOSE are Irv Spence drawings!!!?????? I was gues...THOSE are Irv Spence drawings!!!?????? I was guessing it was Mike Law but since you mentioned it, I can see the similarity between these and other Spence things I've seen. If he could do masterful drawings like that then he was for sure one of the best, no doubt about it! <BR/><BR/>A wonderful post! Many thanks!Eddie Fitzgeraldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07729949238666234774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-3828795709100434212008-04-13T13:08:00.000-07:002008-04-13T13:08:00.000-07:00Holy cow, Irv's drawings are the utmost of funny a...Holy cow, Irv's drawings are the utmost of funny and cute!!! They're like a slightly retarted version of Disney! I love it~<BR/><BR/>It's funny, I just started drawing George from the Blair book the night before! Love that lion, too!patchworkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05884962396217343739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-74971500796729383302008-04-13T12:00:00.000-07:002008-04-13T12:00:00.000-07:00these designs remind me a lot of the preston blair...these designs remind me a lot of the preston blair book drawings, except that they're funnier... did preston blair do much designing or was he just great at animating the designs of other artists who were better at designing???akirahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11232668129680207896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-21873336909488786672008-04-13T11:21:00.000-07:002008-04-13T11:21:00.000-07:00Thanks for sharing!I think I'll go sketching now.-...Thanks for sharing!<BR/>I think I'll go sketching now.<BR/><BR/>-EEmmanuelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04519230761916408119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-57208496002455718842008-04-13T10:43:00.000-07:002008-04-13T10:43:00.000-07:00And if anyone hasn't seen it before, here's Irv Sp...And if anyone hasn't seen it before, here's Irv Spence's Cartoon Diary for 1944:<BR/><BR/>http://filboidsudge.blogspot.comDooleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09037818054980785063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-1410395505144278202008-04-13T07:52:00.000-07:002008-04-13T07:52:00.000-07:00Thanks for another great post.I've always thought ...Thanks for another great post.<BR/><BR/>I've always thought that these Irv Spence MGM model sheets were the best of their kind. The drawings are of a much higher quality then in the actual cartoons. On top of that they're beautifully composed pictures by themselves.Atta Havlykkehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18044984140095811927noreply@blogger.com