Stealth can be used even if you don't physically move cross grid. You can stay in the same square and still stealth. If you were not in stealth previously, you need to make a move action to obtain the condition despite not physically moving.

What "condition"? "In stealth" is not a condition. You aren't in-stealth or not-in-stealth, and there's nothing saying you need "a move action" to "enter stealth". Stealth's action type is "usually none". It's not an action, it's a thing that influences how an action might resolve. If you move, and wish to be unobserved, you roll stealth, but you're not using an action to stealth, you're using an action to move. If you aren't trying to do a thing, you don't need an action.

Huh...I thought they made "Stealth" a condition in the 5th printing errata. I double checked and you are right. I had the old stealth playtest rule in my head for the condition.

@Seebs:
Stealth can be used even if you don't physically move cross grid. You can stay in the same square and still stealth. If you were not in stealth previously, you need to make a move action to obtain the condition despite not physically moving.

Skills chapter under Stealth:
"If people are observing you using any of their senses (but typically sight), you can't use Stealth. Against most creatures, finding cover or concealment allows you to use Stealth."

Combat Chapter under Concealment:
"Concealment and Stealth Checks: You can use concealment to make a Stealth check. Without concealment, you usually need cover to make a Stealth check."

CRB Glossary under Invisibility Condition:
"The ability to move about unseen is not foolproof. While they can't be seen, invisible creatures can be heard, smelled, or felt.

Invisibility makes a creature undetectable by vision, including darkvision."

Hypothetical situation:
Combat has started, everyone is aware of everyone. An enemy casts invisibility. He now:

A) Uses his move action to stealth since he has concealment and concealment says he can stealth?

B) Just has total concealment, and can not stealth without something else like a bluff for distraction because everyone is aware of him and is "observing" him with their ears?

My Stance:
He takes option A, concealment is a specific rule that overrides a generic rule such as stealth which states that simply listening to/for someone you're aware of makes it impossible to stealth.

My opponents stance:
He takes option B, if you're aware of them at the start of their turn in any way, he can't stealth, ever.

Best of luck with your new adventures, Dan, and I'll see you at GenCon next year.

Dagnabbit, that's one less Dan as VC, how are we going to take over now?

If my plans go accordingly over the next 4-5 years. I'll be in the Greater Washington Area working for the NSA. I'm working on a Information Assurance, MSIA, and the NSA has a partnership with my school.

Since the time I saw most of you (Gencon). My life has taken a change in priorities. I've had to pick 10-20 more hours a week at work, and I've started taking College classes. As you can imagine, that has put a crippling crunch on my gaming time.

So in result I reluctantly tendered Mike my resignation knowing that by doing so, I'd be turning over my beloved West Michigan over to someone who had more time to devote themselves to it.

This doesn't mean I'm completely out of the game. It does mean I need to take a significant step back in my gaming. I hope to hit my 5th star by next Gencon. I think I'm 20-30 sessions away. I still hope, and plan on going to Gencon next year too. Though maybe less GMing, 10 sessions was a little nuts, but I did it. Who knows, maybe one day down the road I'll feel safe in assuming another leadership role. Just not now.

I'd like to thank my three Venture-Lieutenants Eric, Kelvin, and Jim. You three have truly helped me grow our region. I can't express how much I've appreciated your help. If any of you need my help. Don't be afraid to ask. The worst I can do is say I'm out of time.

Lastly, I'd like to thank Mike Brock. It was truly an honor to serve under you and to work with you. I look forward to working with you at future major events like Gencon, or PaizoCon if I somehow swing it.

I'll answer assuming this is a non-PFS question:
The concentration and the duration are separate even when cast normally.
Permanency makes it last forever, but instead you just need to focus it down with concentration to know more.

I’d like to announce the promotion of Jim Tinklenberg to Venture-Lieutenant of South Haven, MI. He has earned this position through his dedicated work as a GM not only in our home region in Michigan, but across the Midwest as a whole. Jim has always been willing to step up to GM, and organizes game days regularly just so people have more opportunities to play. He's put 70,000 miles on his car in the last year visiting cons all over tarnation. So, in closing. Lets all put our hands together for another awesome Venture-Officer

The spear disarmed him. Not sure how the spear would be able to grapple him.

The spear also threw the fighter into the maximized and empowered cloudkill.

The big nasty, was using his 8th level pearl of power to recall horrid wilting (which I took pity on the group and didn't maximize and empower it) which straight up killed 2 characters and seriously hurt the fighter.

Telekinesis at will for the spear equates to grapple from the spear. At least that's where I figure he's coming from.

I'll admit error here. I had not caught that in my multiple read throughs and is not included on my tier cheat sheet for that eventuality. Not sure if this was my table or not but if it was, I screwed up and missed a line. It was not intentional. Despite my title, I am still human and capable of error.

Too many variables to say what may have happened if I had caught that. If those players would like to discuss options with me please pm me.

Unfortunately, I had to try and run through the scenario as part of a group of four (DO NOT DO THIS!!!) as we just couldn't find any more players.

Nobody died, but the four of us had to run away with our tails between our legs after just a few rounds with the Runelord. It was easily the most humiliating defeat any of my players have ever suffered.

A lot of people ask me why my first fight is so hard. Here is my quick list of where things go bad for players at my table.

1) no buffs before teleporting in.
2) it's dark in there, spending time casting light, and missing the perception as Kurshu slips into full cover, she casts surged cloak of dreams DC 26. This is usually where her game ender begins.
3) any other buff spell equates to her casting displacement
4) initiative starts as she makes her first attack if no one has wandered onto her yet.
5) potions of fly dispels are only a roll of a 5 to dispel assuming you don't just fall asleep when you get to me.
6) animal companions are usually one hit from vegetable. Eliminate them when convenient, and prudent.
7) teleport over archers. Their turn starts, usually a sleeping archer and an easy finish the next turn or two.

There's something to be said for grossly powerful 12-13 tables making running the demons easy, Kyle....

I meant it more along the lines of ~12 different demons, each have their own unique abilities. Going to be a challenge to use them effectively, especially the Epic target at the end for 14-15. Already spent an hour play-testing tactics with it.

I wouldn't mind picking your brain on the high tier stuff if we get the chance.

As I'm sure you're aware if you're from Michigan, but the MichiganPFS.org website has been down regularly for 3 days now. We've been down for a day or so here and there before, but never like this.

So, I contacted GoDaddy.com and became very pointed with them about this, and finally got a reasonable response. We are under a DDoS attack for some reason. Which explains why we have between 20-30 guests from what I can see loading in every time. I think the most I've seen on at one time is 10 users.

GoDaddy.com is working on resolving the problem, but this is also a heads up of a sort to other organizers. I'm not sure why we're under attack. My best thought is some hacker somewhere is sharpening his skills on us.

I'm not the most tech savvy person out there. I have a rank or two in computers. If you know of a solution, I would be interested in hearing it.

In any case, I think the bigger problem is a combat-trained bison for 75 gp. How many level 1 characters can show up with a CR 4 encounter following their commands?

Oh wow. Just looked up the bison. Trample for 2d6+12 at a DC 20 reflex for half. At level 1, as soon as the bison's initiative comes up you just trample everything and win the encounter. That is a crazy effective use of 75 GP.

I'm pretty sure it's a misprint. If you swap the cost of the aurochs with the bison, they both seem a lot more reasonable. However, I'm still wary of player exploitation.

I'm tempted to spring this on some of my local GM's just to see what they do. >:)

In my experience, fudging should be done rarely, if ever. When to do it is not some "mechanical" algorithm that can be laid out for anyone to use. You should look through a lens of GM experience, and make the soundest decision you can make, and do not approach it lightly. If you feel hesitant, don't do it. Just let the dice fall where they fall.

In hindsight, when I have fudged, I question those moments to this day, because it's incredibly hard to define if your decision was a good one at the time.

I relate fudging to sailing. A lot of it is done with experience and feeling.

Thanks everyone! I thought I'd of been there a while ago, but alas it took me till last Wednesday. The last leg I don't think will take as long to be honest. My kid is older, and easier to take care of, and thus I'm not "needed" as much which means I get more time from my girl to go out and have fun!

I expect at the least by this time next year I will be a 5th star at the latest. I should be halfway there after Gencon.

Follow-up question: If you have two springloaded wristsheaths and Two-Weapon Fighting, can you activate both in the same round (to draw two daggers, for example). Activating a springloaded wristsheath is a swift action (of which you only get 1 per round), but Two-Weapon Fighting says you can draw two weapons in the same time you would normally draw one. I was assuming yes based on Two-Weapon Fighting, but had the swift action trap pointed out during a game, so for the time being I've swapped a wand in for one of the daggers and only use one wristsheath at a time. That's probably the more conservative approach and what I'll stick to unless it looks like I was right the first time. It's not a huge deal for the character, since the daggers are not her primary weapons, anyway. It just might influence whether or not I take Quick Draw with her next feat or something else.

RAW you wouldn't be able to get both. Since drawing is typically a move action that Quick draw bypasses. The sheaths are specific, thus override that Draw/Quick draw, and would prevent that train of actions with the "Swift action" limitation RAW.

You may get some variability between GM's on the TWF. I may personally count the TWF/Swift action as one action, but I don't have a RAW answer to that.