TOPIC: Deaths from flu complications/flu

Not known if Bre had a flu shot or not
fox2now.com/2018/12/29/bre-payton-26-year-old-conservative-writer-dies-following-sudden-illness/

Sad news in the Denver area:
"A child in Colorado has died from the flu, according to the Colorado Department of Public Health & Environment.
The child died from influenza during the week ending in Jan. 12, state health officials said on Tuesday."
Fox news has stated the child was only partially vaccinated, so must have been under the age of 9 years since under the age of 9 yrs and getting vaccine for the 1st time it is in 2 doses at least 4 weeks apart.
"...This child apparently did not get the second dose."
"...the child had the H1N1 strain, which is the predominant strain this year.
That is also the strain Selina Nguyen has. The 7-year-old went into a coma, and at last check was still battling symptoms at Children’s Hospital Colorado."

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If these are true, of course they are tragic, but you can't believe everything you hear from the media. I came across this today in a group I'm in. A woman named Carla Rose posted it:

"So get this everyone....I live in Michigan. A couple weeks ago the media said there has been a second flu death in Michigan. It just happens to be in my town I live in. The little girl was in my son's class. The mom of the girls close friends on there saying the girl had her shot and it wasn't the flu she died from but malpractice from our hospital. The little girl went into cardiac arrest and they couldn't save her. A month ago she had bad pneumonia.. they were waiting for autopsy as of a couple days ago. So THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA at it again!!! The autopsy wasn't even back yet but they were reporting she died of the flu and everyone needs their flu shots!!!! There ya have it in my home town."

"Michigan health officials say a child from Alpena County is the second in the state to die from the flu this season.
The Michigan Department of Health and Human Services confirmed this week that the child died from complications of flu. The child was of school-age, but details including the child's name weren't released. Alpena County is located about 185 miles (298 kilometers) north of Detroit."

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Melinda...again, you're assuming that the flu shot would have saved her. The flu vaccine usually has an admitted low efficacy rate. There are so many variables with flu deaths such as the health of the patient, how soon patients sought medical care, if the person was treated properly by the doctor, if there was a secondary infection, etc. For most, the flu is survivable. I just read the other day about a child who had the flu. Her parents took her to the doctor and he sent her home. Two days later she died of pneumonia; the doctor had never even checked her lungs. So is this counted as a flu death? If she'd been treated for pneumonia, she probably would have survived.

All I'm trying to do is give you the other side of this. I just came across another study the other day (2017). There is another side to vaccines that no one knows unless you actually do the research. They certainly don't report it. Vaccines can cause long-term, chronic systemic inflammation that can manifest in many different ways. The Supreme Court itself ruled vaccines to be 'unavoidably unsafe".
www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/10pdf/09-152.pdf

"Vaccine supporters often impugn vaccine resisters for avoiding vaccination against communicable diseases on the premise that individuals opting out of immunization may jeopardize “herd immunity,” which ensures community health in present-day mobile society. Vaccine resisters are ceaselessly discredited as paranoids who are medically wrong by inveighing against vaccination as an unsafe regimen upon ostensible evidence. What is not controversial is the truism: Data have primacy over perception. At this time, emerging evidence begins to reveal that vaccines' risks may not be so minuscule. Assertions of safety by vaccine makers are invariably based on incomprehensive trial designs with long-term effects under-targeted. Notably, it is extremely difficult, expensive, and time-consuming to seek proof of causation for chronic diseases with adverse effects accruing over many years. Vaccines' chronic impacts on health over a lifetime have been inadequately investigated and poorly understood.

Current split formulation for the seasonal influenza vaccines in an intramuscular (i.m.) regimen tends to induce immunoglobulin (Ig) E sensitization in children. Annual vaccination with injectable influenza vaccines may interfere with the development of broad immunity against influenza that could otherwise be induced by natural infection. Vaccination-related effects sometimes exacerbate viral infections (e.g., respiratory syncytial virus; dengue virus; measles virus; influenza virus). The consequence of a vaccination-induced polarized T-cell memory profile on clinical outcomes is largely a terra incognita. Improper injection of vaccines into the arm can provoke an inflammation that damages tendons, ligaments, bursas and reduce friction in the joint. For every vaccine that causes a tangible injury, there may be many more vaccines that cause either minor injuries or major injuries in a slow motion, as suggested by the Heinrich's law. Even one injury from vaccination is one too many. It is thus counterfactual to assert that vaccination is universally safe with only minor risks.

Vaccines commonly contain adjuvants [e.g., aluminum compound (alum)] which prod immune and inflammatory responses. Intramuscular injection of alum-containing vaccines often induces macrophagic myofasciitis lesions, showing long-term persistence of alum as well as sustained immune reactions within vaccinees for many years post-injection. There are clues that chronic adjuvant stimulation which induces a state of prolonged immune activation may tip the immune scale toward predisposition of a lymphoma state. Alum adjuvant has been implicated in exacerbating vaccination-induced inflammation by modulating multiple immune cells toward collateral damage of host tissues. Alum activates the inflammasome at least in part, in causing a Muckle-Wells syndrome-like effect which is manifested as fever, myalgia, lethargy, and chronic inflammation to varying degrees among vaccinees. Vaccine makers' claim that the trace amount of alum blended into a vaccine is harmless thus has to be reexamined from a chronic angle during multiple cycles of vaccination over a lifetime.

It is inconveniently true that i.m. vaccination induces systemic inflammation, which may slowly confer cumulative deleterious effects with the potential to reach a crisis level over time. Although it is still inconclusive whether systemic inflammation induced by i.m. vaccination is a culprit for driving myriad diseases in humans, tampering with the natural setting by surprising the immune system with needle injection is inherently risky since it may induce unforeseeable perils. Bottom line: Public health cannot be left to chance by gaming uncertainty. It is thus reason enough to develop noninvasive vaccines that do not induce systemic inflammation as the clues are abundantly clear that systemic inflammation is an existential threat that has to be avoided, if avoidable. In case i.m. vaccination-induced systemic inflammation should wreak health havoc by allowing chronic infirmities to fester under the medical radar, transformation of injectable vaccine to its noninvasive counterpart would be a medically and economically sound approach to prevent the ravages of systemic inflammation."

And I'm doing the same as you:
"All I'm trying to do is give you the other side of this."

By the way - I did move my thread to this thread because of the extremely long posts you made in the other one - they are way too long and I just don't read them. Why not just give the web address and if someone wants to read then they can go to the site.

"Instead of wasting your time worrying about symptoms, just get it checked out" -Nieca Goldberg, MD

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Melinda, I used to believe in vaccines. I vaccinated my kids (which I now regret). I already know that side of it because I lived it and I believed it. The thing that started all of this for me was learning five years ago that babies were given the Hep B at birth. I said, "Wait...what"? It made no sense to me considering how Hep B is spread. Babies are not at risk for it and mothers are tested during pregnancy. The vaccine doesn't last long enough to cover the child when they are at risk. To this day, I have not found a valid reason to give a newborn that vaccine. Anyway, then I looked at the childhood vaccine schedule and my jaw dropped. Compared to the number of vaccines that my kids had, the number is now astronomical! Three to six vaccines in one visit; I cannot fathom that. And there are hundreds more in the pipeline. How many is too many?

Anyway, it caused me to be suspicious and I looked into it. Like I said before, the truth does not line up with what we are told. It doesn't. I have a huge collection of studies that state the harms of vaccines, and this is for companies who have absolutely NO product liability. They never have to pay one red cent for vaccine injuries, so where is the incentive for a safe product? Vaccine injuries are not rare and I have read many, many very sad stories. Children are dying and it's always chalked up to 'coincidence'. It's not, not when the inserts themselves state the possible horrible reactions. I've shown proof from the FDA itself that vaccines can cause cancer, and that they contain animal viruses. The SV-40 (Simian Virus) that was in the polio vaccine was given to millions of children and does cause cancer. The virus is also passed down through generations.

The thing is, how can you argue for something when you don't even read about the other side of it? I've spent years researching this. I usually post part of the article or study because I have the hope that part of it will catch someone's eye. People tend to by-pass links when they are posted alone. Most people are just not aware of how vaccines affect us on a cellular level. There are fragments of DNA in vaccines and those fragments insert themselves into our own DNA; it's called Insertional Mutagenesis and can cause all kinds of health issues. The FDA actually has a limit on how many DNA fragments a vaccine can have, and they far surpass the limit. There is SO much to this.

When you think about how many contagious diseases there are, why is it that we only fear epidemics of the ones for which there are vaccines? There are a few diseases that died out on their own without vaccines. Heck, our kids only had a few vaccines way back when and kids were not dying in epidemic proportions. Did we really need more? The vaccine compliance rate was even much less than it is now. But yet, kids are much sicker now than they were back then...with other things, chronic illnesses. The sad part is that this is considered to be normal. It's slowly become normal for people to be chronically ill.

Everyone is fed fear these days, constant fear. I don't even watch TV much but when I do, all I see are pharmaceutical commercials. It's easy to see who owns the media. Anyone who tries to share the dangers is silenced. I think that's awfully scary.

Babies are given hep B vaccinations because they can catch it from infected family members or indeed anyone they come into close contact with. Most children with hep B will die of liver cancer or liver disease as an adult, probably a young adult.

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