And where is barry, Hildabeast, Rice or hell for that matter the wookie? All are silent as a mouse in the room full of cats.

moudoka you are correct. Not a single Arab nation will permit those who claim to be Palestinian a visa for an extended period of time. Iran and Iraq did not exist until after WWII. The Persians sided with the Axis powers, the ones that tried to eliminate any person of the Jewish faith and for it, their land was divided into two countries.

In 1948 the jews forced the Palestnians out of their homes into a camp with the help of the US.If there were no Isreal 9/11 would not have happened.Why should the jews have their own country?Why does the US keep helping this trash? If there were no Isreal there would be no problems.

“In 1948 the jews forced the Palestnians out of their homes into a camp…”

What you’re talking about, although too ignorant to have your facts straight, is when the Arabs surrounding Israel attacked the nascent state and were shellacked by the Jews, whereupon trhey fled Israel of their own volition, but neighboring Arab states refused to either take them in or set them up with their own state. Jordan (then Transjordan) kept the West Bank for themselves and Egypt kept the Gaza Strip for themselves. They gave nothing to the future citizens of a Palestinian state, nor did they allow them to immigrate. Somehow, for all this, Israel takes the blame in your eyes.

9/11 has less to do with Israel then it had to do with envy over our military power, and OBL being butthurt that the Saud wouldn’t take his offer to protect his homeland from Saddam Hussein seriously. Each new generation of Arabs laments their lost glories. Even without Israel, they suffer this unrelenting grief. At least the European powers have moved on.

Nobody forced them into camps. As the graphic shows you, hundreds of thousands of Arabs chose to stay, and there are now more than 1.6 million living in Israel. Those Arabs, for your information, have the highest standard of living of any Arabs in the Middle East because they live in a democracy.

Israel existed long before any “Palestinian” state. Check your history, none of the Arab world gave a damn about Palestine until Israel came into existence again. The sheer amount of barbarism from the Islamic nations, towards everyone, especially Israel, is mind-boggling. You blame Israel for the violence it suffers at the hands of Islam? Did you even read your comment before posting it?

Maybe there is a reason all this happens. But it’s ALWAYS someone elses fault, it’s never the Jews fault is it? ROFLMAO The Byzantine Empire lasted over 1000 years. They restricted many of the businesses and activities of the Jews. Did they know something that we have forgotten?

You reminded me of how liberals come at me, sometimes.. Yes, even me.. I remarked on a friend’s Facebook post that, since we’ve been in Afghanistan so long, it would’ve been ideal if we’d drawn up ranks to protect their little Afghani girls who wanted to attend school without acid being thrown in their faces. They could even be volunteer brigades. I can’t think of much better in the way of noble enterprises, and many servicemen/women would sign up

I then received a lecture from another of her friends about how we can’t “project our values” on them.. What i hate about Facebook is that I can’t find that fucking post and respond.. (i really don’t get on there often) … $&*#() lost in the streams of time

So stopping little girls from having acid thrown in their faces is “projecting our values?” Yes, that sounds like relativism at its worst.

It’s funny you should mention the little girls going to school. It’s our failure to make them safe at school that makes me consider our venture in Afghanistan a failure. I wish now we’d simply booted the Taliban and Al Queda out and left, leaving the residents to decide their erstwhile fates as they will.

There are values that should be held to one’s self, and values that are just common sense. Besides, aren’t the Taliban projecting their lack of values on the girls with the attacks? I think protecting children is pretty much always a good value.

Are we conflating the Byzantines with the Ottoman Empire? It seems that the only relevant history occured since the end of WWI and the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, the creation of the British Mandate, the Balfour Declaration, and the UN establishing Israel in 1948.

I’m a little weary of hearing how the Arabs are brutalized by the Jews. The Arabs occupy 640 times the land area and Lord knows how many more people. The Israelis live on a sliver of land where they have to arm to the teeth just to exist. Without Arab aggression there would likely be no aggression at all in the Middle East. Tell me where I’m wrong? Anyone. The subject is confusing with a lot of bad information out there.

btw great article.. my grandfather was stationed in Palestine right after the war. He knew of soldiers being killed by both Zionists and Arabs (one was found hung in a tree near barracks). He once said that Jordan was meant for the Arabs, and I didn’t have proper context at the time

I’m referring to the Arabs, who stole the crown jewel of Egypt from Byzantium while they lay wearied from war with Persia (who did not at all survive with their faith intact). And beyond Egypt, much of their Empire was lost too. It was centuries later that the Seljuk and Ottoman dealt a succession of death blows. Followers of the Prophet, all of them. But Arabs are the real problematical Semites in his scenario.

I don’t know how anyone can attribute Byzantine success to the suppression of Jews (and they were, in fact, not kind). I tend to think that nations that embrace them do better in the long run. They are a resourceful lot

Alien, you may not know this, but in my education i found written that those who bless Israel, will be blessed, whilst those who curse Israel will be cursed. That being said, you seem to have stumbled upon something, whether intentionally or serendipitously, that reeks of TRUTH. 😀

very interesting.. didn’t occur to me to consider the fate of nations and their treatment of the Chosen People (in a spiritual context). I just figured it makes sense, because the sons of David seem talented and industrious..

It reminds me, similarly, of nations that fail because they suppress their womenfolk.. what a waste of creativity and minds

(i mean, a country only has so much brain meat. And you’re basically saying.. oh, we don’t need half of that brain meat. Its rotten.. or something.. Foolish in the extreme)

I just figured it makes sense, because the sons of David seem talented and industrious..

I expect this has more to do with it than pulpitists might give credence to.

allow me to clarify, blessing doesn’t necessarily have to do with spiritual aspects. that is to say: blessing means or can mean, to make happy. cursing on the other hand, well, that can mean reviling, holding in contempt, derision, performing pogroms upon, or even, dare i say, holocausting?

flashing, I consider you a good friend, so when i came across this i thought hmmm mayhap flashy can dig this cop show with Vinnie Jones hosting. Vinnie Jones from lock stock and 2 smoking barrels.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLNCB5L3VhA

In reply to both of you. History get you down? LOL How many of the Jews in the 14 countries listed above (can’t count Israel; or Mauritania and Somalia – no Jews in recorded history: or UAE and Saudi Arabia – no Jews since the middle ages; and Muscat – no Jews since the 19th century) moved voluntarily (or with the urging of Israel) to Israel after it was established. Can’t answer that can you? Why have the Iranian Jews refused to move to Israel? JC – You don’t know me well enough to call me anti-Semitic! I believe in the equality of all people, Semitic or not. Jews being but one of the Semitic tribes (actually language groups). Oh, the reason I’m ROTFLMAO is because you post on a site that is anti-media, but you buy into a lot of what the MSM presents. EH – Why did you bring up the Nazis, I didn’t. Are you trying to obfuscate the facts with an ‘ad hominem’ attack. Won’t work, the facts why the Jews were expelled from the 109 locations is history. So, why make a derogatory remark about me? Oh yea, you can’t refute the facts can you? LOL Read the following essay by Mark Twain. Where do you two ‘fit in’ in reference to the essay. Read the essay and find out.

Done reading? Then check out the following video about the Moors in Spain. At that time in history they were very tolerant of other religions and beliefs. What changed? Maybe the Catholic Church – think Crusades and Inquisition.

I notice that your list of expelled Jews is from the web site biblebeleivers.org.au: a notorious anti-Jewish site. Publisher of “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” and Henry Ford’s “The International Jew” and with links to Holocaust denial sites.

I found the list linked through another site and thought it was interesting as it listed the years also. I didn’t care where it came from because I have read articles/papers/essays (from many sources) about the purges of the Jews, from the end of the Roman era to the present. I liked the list because of the where and when aspect. Then I saw the headline to this post and the comments and thought I would stir up the pot to see what kind of reaction I would get. Fell into the trap didn’t you. LMAO

I’m “JC” now? That’s quite a promotion for a guy who begins every prayer with a “Thank you, God, and I’m sorry…”

As for knowing you well enough to call you anti-Semitic, don’t run away from what you said. You posted it. Why post it if you immediately want to disown it?

And the Moors were not tolerant unless you call it tolerant to keep Jews officially second class citizens, tax them extra, and deprive them of basic legal and property rights. I’m guessing you’re younger than 50 and have fallen victim to the politcally-correct pro-Islamic version of history presently taught in public schools in which Muslims are asserted to have had a golden age of tolerance and scientific brilliance. It’s all nonsense. Muslims have never done anything except steal the intellectual achievements of the people they conguered.

No your not JC, I didn’t catch the mistake when I proof read the post. That I apologize for, I wouldn’t want to confuse you with anyone else. I am not disowning the list I posted, I posted it to show that this situation has happened before, many times through out history (since 250AD anyway) and not just by the Muslims. Now answer the questions I posted above. “And the Moors were not tolerant unless you call it tolerant to keep Jews officially second class citizens, tax them extra, and deprive them of basic legal and property rights” – JP (got it right this time) So, they also levied those taxes and placed the same rules on Christens. Why the persecution complex? As far as the ‘intellectual achievements’, what numbering system do you use? and lets compare the personal hygiene and the medicinal abilities of the Moors to the Europeans during the occupation of Spain. So, whats wrong with assimilating the advancements of other cultures into the culture of the conquering peoples, the Muslims aren’t the only ones that have done that. About the prayer aspect, don’t burden me with your ‘corn-pone’ opinions and traits. Oh, by the way I’m 60. So, your statements about education (programming) are moot. Now here’s another article for you to read. you probably won’t enjoy it. So what, it is another side. If you can’t handle it, it’s not my problem.http://mynameisjoecortina.wordpress.com/2012/10/08/cunning-jews-always-demonize-their-victims-and-absolve-themselves-of-the-crime/

your citation of an atheist, to make a point with a Christian has got to be one of the corniest things i’ve seen on this site. and that includes the ronite and the musselman diva.

you being 60 proves the old saw, no fool like an old fool, and your last site, well that just proves either your gullibility, stupidity, or that you believe lies. I know you were addressing JP, and probably think i’m just buttin in, frankly, i don’t care.

If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable

also, my belief is in Jesus, not my own works unto salvation. what’s with this idea that Christians aren’t able to criticize? that’s not at all biblical. the money changers were scourged, Jesus called herod a fox (and not in a good way) the scribes and pharisees a brood of vipers, Paul wanted those that taught circumcision to go the whole way in their own cuttings. Ananias and Saphira believed they could lie and get away with it. Paul certainly didn’t shirk from “criticizing” homosexuals, of either gender, neither did the writer of the Revelation letter.

Oh, yeah, that writer certainly saw what I can look forward to.

if i merely suppose, or have a strong desire that I’ll be judged among the righteous, then I don’t have faith at all, as faith is the substance of things hoped, the evidence of things unseen. I have as much of if not more right to criticize and denounce evil as defined in the Bible, than those who’d denounce and criticize me and my beliefs based on whatever they use to base it on. I’ve yet to see anywhere anyone who can denounce the Bible where it speaks to physical matters. And since it is a compilation of books through the ages of mankind, and not a product of a single human, and always has man’s salvation via Jesus as the central theme, I’ll go on believing in the One who Authored it.

Robert, faith is a fine thing, I believe, but there has to be room to allow for others beliefs. Until we actually reach our final reward, all we are doing is speculating. We have faith that what we have been taught is the truth, but there isn’t anyone that can tell us they have seen what awaits us. In the meantime, we mist live our lives in the way we see fit according to our beliefs. Criticizing someone for their beliefs isn’t exactly the Christian way of doing things.

i don’t see 100% from anywhere, let alone the arab/musselman countries.

you sound like an anti-semite, in fact really close to hitler when you said: “The Byzantine Empire lasted over 1000 years. They restricted many of the businesses and activities of the Jews. Did they know something that we have forgotten?” now whether or not you meant to come off that way, perhaps you can see that your statements would confuse people as to your stance re: Israel. You might like to keep in mind that there are quite a number of posters here who consider themselves, and rightfully so, spiritual Israel, and we don’t like people talking bad about our people. not sure how the RC’s feel about them today, and I don’t want the RC’s thinkin’ i’m disparaging them, I simply don’t know where they stand today, regarding the Israelites.

Another ad hominem attack? I didn’t or won’t bring up the Nazis, You and EH however show your true colors by doing so. Are you historically challenged? Look up the facts. “we don’t like people talking bad about our people.” – RobertW So, your Jewish and/or a Zionist? I’m neither. I’m a Christen. So, I will leave you with this: Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan.

wow, Apparently you missed the part about how through Abraham’s seed, (Israel) all the world will be blessed. Rev 2:9 was speaking of the Scribes/Pharisees/San Hedrin i do believe, and their small knot of co-conspirators who loved the attention of praise of men more than they loved God. “His blood be upon us and our children,” was shouted by a few, in the early morning hours, NOT the great multitude you see represented in movies.

Not at all, Israel and the Arabs are races. Christians are children of the Father. God never ever blessed the musselmans. And as for the Israel, you should note Judaism as a religion does not encompass Israel, nor is it nor can it be a viable religion since Jesus was sacrificed, Once, for all. You’ll recall the temple veil was rent in twain, from top to bottom, when God left the earthly Holy of Holies, in the Temple. And if you can’t or won’t accept that, then you’re more of a bald faced lie dispenser than i heretofore had reason to suppose.

he was merely blessed with a huge amount of offspring, nothing else. the arabs who chose not to follow the law of Moses and the Prophets, that is, the uncircumcised in flesh, and later Jesus, the uncircumcised in heart, are polytheistic, even the god of islam is not more than an amalgam of this polytheism. Also, God deeded the land to Israel, something he never did to Ishmael, the bastard.

Islam calls the bastard their founder, but there is no evidence to show whom he worshiped, though it was likely the pantheon of egyptian animal heads etc., with perhaps (indeed likely) a bunch of pagan gods from the region round about.

alright so maybe ishmael wasn’t a legal bastard, hagar likely wasn’t keturah In the genealogy of 1 Chronicles, Keturah and Hagar are listed as two different people:

These were [Abraham and Hagar]’s descendants: Nebaioth the firstborn of Ishmael, Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam, Mishma, Dumah, Massa, Hadad, Tema, Jetur, Naphish, and Kedemah. These were the sons of Ishmael. The sons born to Keturah, Abraham’s concubine: Zimram, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak, and Shuah. The sons of Jokshan: Sheba and Dedan. The sons of Midian: Ephah, Epher, Hanoch, Abida, and Eldaah. All these were descendants of Keturah

this changes nothing as to blessings. Israel was the son of whom God spoke when He told Abraham that his seed would inherit the land of the canaanites.

it’s interesting that after the time of king David, that the ishmaelite bloodline was so intermingled with other tribes that they ceased to be called ishmaelites pretty much.

Abraham took Hagar as his second wife with Gods blessing. So, in that Ishmael really isn’t a bastard. Also the blessing bestrode upon Ishmael was more than just to be fruitful. Abraham inquired as to Ishmael’s role, God answers that Ishmael has been blessed and that He “will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.” (Genesis 17) also, “And God heard the voice of the lad” and sent his angel to tell Hagar, “Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him in thine hand; for I will make him a great nation.” And God “opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water”, from which she drew to save Ishmael’s life and her own. “And God was with the lad; and he grew, and dwelt in the wilderness, and became an archer.” (Genesis 21:14–21) Your guessing, the above scripture says otherwise. also the following may explain more. Rabbinical commentators in the Midrash Genesis Rabbah also say that Ishmael’s mother Hagar was the Pharaoh’s daughter, thereby making Ishmael the grandson of the Pharaoh. This could be why Genesis 17:20 refers to Ishmael as the father of 12 mighty princes. According to Genesis 21:21, Hagar married Ishmael to an Egyptian woman, and if Rabbinical commentators are correct about Hagar being the daughter of the Pharaoh, his marriage to a woman selected by the Pharaoh’s daughter could explain how and why his sons became princes.

However, according to other Jewish commentators, Ishmael’s mother Hagar is identified with Keturah, the woman Abraham married after the death of Sarah, stating that Abraham sought her out after Sarah’s death. It is suggested that Keturah was Hagar’s personal name, and that “Hagar” was a descriptive label meaning “stranger”. This interpretation is discussed in the Midrash and is supported by Rashi, Gur Aryeh, Keli Yakar, and Obadiah of Bertinoro. Rashi (Rabbi Shlomo Itzhaki) argues that “Keturah” was a name given to Hagar because her deeds were as beautiful as incense (hence: ketores), and/or that she remained chaste from the time she was separated from Abraham—keturah [ קְטוּרָה Q’turah ] derives from the Aramaic word for restrained. Also you are confusing Isaac with his son Jacob (who was later named Israel; Gen 35:10) For someone that states he (that being you) knows the truth, you know very little of it.

As an addition to the above comment: As Paul said in the NT; 1 Thessalonians 2:14-15 “For you, brethren, became imitators of the churches of God in Christ Jesus that are in Judea, for you also endured the same sufferings at the hands of your own countrymen, even as they did from the Jews, who both killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove us out. They are not pleasing to God, but hostile to all men,”

Are you really rolling on the floor, or are you actually drooling on your bib like a typical anti-Semitic cretin? Yes, the history of the world is full of hatred for believers, but somehow the world matured and rehabilitated itself everywhere except where Muslim Arabs hold power.

The Arab nations kicked out their Jewish popuation first and are now working on getting rid of their Christian residents. Both Jewish and Christian civilizations thrived in the Middle East for centuries before the Muslim barbarians arrived. Yet somehow, this ongoing ethnic/religious cleansing means nothing to the U.N. or the spineless nations in the West.