In reply to paul wood: I'm almost 65 and can climb E3 and F6b+ on a good day. I climbed my hardest routes at the age of 55/56 when I did several F7a and E4 routes with a couple of E5's thrown in for good measure. I'm in the CC and there are plenty of members who operate at similar levels.

In reply to Jonny2vests: Don't get me wrong, pushing yourself and working towards grades if very enjoyable; I was just trying to say that as long as you enjoy company, the climbing, positions etc any grade can yield a great day out.

Even when I was like at my best, I didn't climb at my limit everytime I went out; though I suppose everyone has a different relationship with climbing and where they find enjoyment.

I was told recently that Al Cowburn decided that when he turned 70, he would (out of consideration for his family) stop soloing above E1. He is still soloing easier stuff now - at the tender age of 83.

I'm 48 and a half and started climbing again after a 25 year break. I'm certainly already better after a year than when I was 18 because training facilities are so much better, especially bouldering walls. Did an F6b lead but there are plenty of people much older than I who are much better. What a preposterous idea that you might be an OAP already!

In reply to paul wood: Just about 64 (not saying where party is as all the UKC freeloaders will turn up!) Started aged 17. Stopped age 33. Restarted aged 56 and am now leading HVS/E1 (nothing to do with TPS) outdoors, 6b clip-up and 6c indoors. Can't boulder to save my life.
Aim is to be on interesting E2 by the end of the year is the weather ever gets warmer. I don't climb for grade, I look at a route and if it looks good I will try. If I fail it goes on the hit list for when I have improved. Try to avoid routes with crimps, the arthritic fingers hurt like shit on them!
Some mornings at the Edge I am the second youngest and the worst climber there out of about 15 or so people, think they call themselves the old grumblies or something!

In reply to paul wood: I don't chase grades but there is no denying that I get the most satisfaction from getting up a quality route that is challenging and near to my limit but which I complete in good style and in relative comfort. That just happens to be E2 at this time. Next year it might well be VS or if I am lucky E4.

On a recent trad climbing trip to Morocco, each morning we'd get beaten to the start of a route by a climbing team of "experienced" lady climbers. They would then proceed, without fuss, to disappear up said route at great speed, and usually be back at their car before we were more than halfway through our pitches. I decided to call them the Pensionators - very inspiring to see.

In reply to paul wood: Bloody hell matee 44 ! my mater is 68 and still seconds upto E3 and leads the odd HVS (beleive me they need to be odd !) he also up until last year he was involved in witnter stuff upto 5.
IF you have the will you can carry on till a ripe old age and why not !

I turned 50 the other day and sadly failed to meet my target of redpointing F8a outdoors. It better happen this year though; if it doesn't, it won't be for lack of trying that's for sure! Hoping to tick off at least a couple of 7c+ projects in the next few months. Trad wise, I'd hope to get some E4s and E5s this year.

Friends I climb with of a similar age are doing slightly better than these grades.

In reply to paul wood: Just a boy !
I'm 51 and have been at it just two years - led 6b+ indoors onsighted a couple of HVS and hopefully gonna bag myself an E1 this year.
The only thing I've noticed is that when I hit 50 I realised that I can't abuse myself so royally ie not so many pints afterwards and also taking a bit more care to warm up.

What is nice though is looking at peeps young enough to be my sons and seeing them thinking how can that old git get up that when I can't

In reply to Ciderslider: Don't agree with grade chasing but it's nice to have targets and push yourself. But it doesn't matter as long as you are having fun unless you're climbing chalk (that's just wrong - those deviants disgust me ;-)

In reply to paul wood: I'm 47 in a few weeks, I like to think I'm still slowly improving year on year, or at least not going backwards - tend to cllimb with a bunch of people much younger than me which might help! indoors I got a 6c+ onsight and a 7a clean at the third attempt last week (ok they're softly graded!), outside have ticked a smattering of E2s and have my eye on a particular E3 later this year, as well as wondering about one E5 slab which shall remain nameless. Starting with osteo-arthritis (heberden's nodes) in my fingers, and my circulation to the hands is crap, and I don't have quite the energy levels of youth but hope to still keep pushing it for a good while yet...

In reply to jon: Yeh I suppose it does read that way mate, but what I'm trying to say (in my old confused geezer kind of way) is it's not all about grades but having fun with mates indoors or out and then the pub after. It's also learning from the days where it doesn't go quite to plan (and having a laugh and pisstake after).
But on those days where it all comes together (and you get up something you never thought you could do) well that's a bit special.
So yeh it's not all about chasing grades but I personally like to push myself and subsequently get a real buzz when I manage to contradict that little voice in my head that says you'll never be able to do that you're to shit/old/useless/fat/old.

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I don't think that you can lump people like that in with mere mortals like us - Birkett was probably born climbing E8, and as for Dawes I think that he was sent from another planet to show us earthlings how to climb.

Also David Bowie is well old and is still producing music which is far better than most stuff you hear (yeh I know his not a climber, but if he was he would probably be able to climb E5 in his ziggy platform shoes)

I'm 70 next year and lead up to VS. I tend to chose "enjoyable" rather than "testing" routes. I'm not thje slightest bit interested in proving anything, just having a good time. I would also describe myself as a fair weaher climber, the days of setting off in rain have long gone as I try to avoid "epics" these days. If it's raining I go walking instead.