Do you have any interest in developing a single skin foil similar to the Ozone XXLite? Do you have any experiences with any of your existing foils flying with a top skin only? Have you ever experimented with a single skin kite with ram air leading edge and struts instead of the traditional high pressure inflated leading edge and struts?

floske wrote:I had the chance to fly the Cronix 12m for a short period of time (although in the lower wind range ~4bft). While I generally liked it quite a bit, I had two things that bothered me.

1. When you turn it as fast as possible (or the kite in general flies quickly), the canopy starts to flap about and the kite loses a bit more power than comfortable.

This is why I asked about the wing tips flapping in the question and answer, wasn't referred to.

2. I come from the Speed3/4 side and noticed that when you fly in lower winds and need to wave the kite up and down, the pull generated on the up stroke is neglible compared to the downwards motion.

Yeh the higher the aspect the more you will get from the upstroke as it hunts the edge of the window more, if you come from the speed (me the edge) yes the upstroke can be nearly as powerful as the downstroke ridden properly. But this does have a C profile.Didn't this bother you when flying/designing this kite?

We test and try to improve the different safety options we developed so far. At the SPEED4 8.0 and 10.0 the FLS had a better relaunch ability than the FDS. So we was going for the more simple solution.We work at to add improved FDS-Saftey to the big SPEED4. But FLS will also be possible, if less lines are preferred.

Thank you for adding FDS to the bigger Speed4's!

I would be VERY interested in a 10m Speed4 with FDS even if relaunch was not good. FLS is very bad in high winds and with the very small beaches that I visit, I need a MUCH better emergency self-landing system than FLS.

Would you be willing to provided an FDS option for those of us that hate FLS and feel unsafe with FLS in high wind? This option could be for future 8m and 10m Speed'4 that already have an FDS attachment on the canopy or a Flysurfer in-house modification for FDS on current Speed4's.

loco4viento wrote:Hi Armin,

Do you have any interest in developing a single skin foil similar to the Ozone XXLite?

I also would be interested in this if I could get 21m Speed3 low-wind performance or better at a greatly reduced price than a 21m while only sacrificing water relaunchability. It is extremely rare for my lightwind kite to touch the water.