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UPDATED ON 1/23/2018 The following items listed are potentially on sale items. Some are long term sale prices for the most part, while others are quick hit and miss sales.

The premium price listed for 90% coins represents the amount over the spot price of Silver per ounce in your total purchase, not per Dollar face value. 90% Silver does not represent 90% of an ounce of Silver per Dollar face value, it only represent the total percentage of Silver content in these coins, while the actual content of silver is estimated to be .715 ounces of Silver per Dollar face value. So for example if someone was listing their 90% at $1 over spot, you would actually be paying 71.5¢ per Dollar face value ($1 x .715 = 71.5¢). You may often hear people talk about the face value being $14.50 or $17.00 per Dollar face value, but that is not how it is listed or sold in terms of the premium listed and paid. The logic is so you can always compare the price per ounce of Silver in all products you are buying. Apples and Apples not Apples and Oranges that you would be forced to calculate the difference yourself.

UPDATED ON 1/24/2018 The following items listed are potentially on sale items. Some are long term sale prices for the most part, while others are quick hit and miss sales.

The premium price listed for 90% coins represents the amount over the spot price of Silver per ounce in your total purchase, not per Dollar face value. 90% Silver does not represent 90% of an ounce of Silver per Dollar face value, it only represent the total percentage of Silver content in these coins, while the actual content of silver is estimated to be .715 ounces of Silver per Dollar face value. So for example if someone was listing their 90% at $1 over spot, you would actually be paying 71.5¢ per Dollar face value ($1 x .715 = 71.5¢). You may often hear people talk about the face value being $14.50 or $17.00 per Dollar face value, but that is not how it is listed or sold in terms of the premium listed and paid. The logic is so you can always compare the price per ounce of Silver in all products you are buying. Apples and Apples not Apples and Oranges that you would be forced to calculate the difference yourself.

UPDATED ON 1/25/2018 The following items listed are potentially on sale items. Some are long term sale prices for the most part, while others are quick hit and miss sales.

The premium price listed for 90% coins represents the amount over the spot price of Silver per ounce in your total purchase, not per Dollar face value. 90% Silver does not represent 90% of an ounce of Silver per Dollar face value, it only represent the total percentage of Silver content in these coins, while the actual content of silver is estimated to be .715 ounces of Silver per Dollar face value. So for example if someone was listing their 90% at $1 over spot, you would actually be paying 71.5¢ per Dollar face value ($1 x .715 = 71.5¢). You may often hear people talk about the face value being $14.50 or $17.00 per Dollar face value, but that is not how it is listed or sold in terms of the premium listed and paid. The logic is so you can always compare the price per ounce of Silver in all products you are buying. Apples and Apples not Apples and Oranges that you would be forced to calculate the difference yourself.

UPDATED ON 1/27/2018 The following items listed are potentially on sale items. Some are long term sale prices for the most part, while others are quick hit and miss sales.

The premium price listed for 90% coins represents the amount over the spot price of Silver per ounce in your total purchase, not per Dollar face value. 90% Silver does not represent 90% of an ounce of Silver per Dollar face value, it only represent the total percentage of Silver content in these coins, while the actual content of silver is estimated to be .715 ounces of Silver per Dollar face value. So for example if someone was listing their 90% at $1 over spot, you would actually be paying 71.5¢ per Dollar face value ($1 x .715 = 71.5¢). You may often hear people talk about the face value being $14.50 or $17.00 per Dollar face value, but that is not how it is listed or sold in terms of the premium listed and paid. The logic is so you can always compare the price per ounce of Silver in all products you are buying. Apples and Apples not Apples and Oranges that you would be forced to calculate the difference yourself.

UPDATED ON 1/29/2018 The following items listed are potentially on sale items. Some are long term sale prices for the most part, while others are quick hit and miss sales.

The premium price listed for 90% coins represents the amount over the spot price of Silver per ounce in your total purchase, not per Dollar face value. 90% Silver does not represent 90% of an ounce of Silver per Dollar face value, it only represent the total percentage of Silver content in these coins, while the actual content of silver is estimated to be .715 ounces of Silver per Dollar face value. So for example if someone was listing their 90% at $1 over spot, you would actually be paying 71.5¢ per Dollar face value ($1 x .715 = 71.5¢). You may often hear people talk about the face value being $14.50 or $17.00 per Dollar face value, but that is not how it is listed or sold in terms of the premium listed and paid. The logic is so you can always compare the price per ounce of Silver in all products you are buying. Apples and Apples not Apples and Oranges that you would be forced to calculate the difference yourself.

UPDATED ON 1/31/2018 The following items listed are potentially on sale items. Some are long term sale prices for the most part, while others are quick hit and miss sales.

The premium price listed for 90% coins represents the amount over the spot price of Silver per ounce in your total purchase, not per Dollar face value. 90% Silver does not represent 90% of an ounce of Silver per Dollar face value, it only represent the total percentage of Silver content in these coins, while the actual content of silver is estimated to be .715 ounces of Silver per Dollar face value. So for example if someone was listing their 90% at $1 over spot, you would actually be paying 71.5¢ per Dollar face value ($1 x .715 = 71.5¢). You may often hear people talk about the face value being $14.50 or $17.00 per Dollar face value, but that is not how it is listed or sold in terms of the premium listed and paid. The logic is so you can always compare the price per ounce of Silver in all products you are buying. Apples and Apples not Apples and Oranges that you would be forced to calculate the difference yourself.

UPDATED ON 2/02/2018 The following items listed are potentially on sale items. Some are long term sale prices for the most part, while others are quick hit and miss sales.

The premium price listed for 90% coins represents the amount over the spot price of Silver per ounce in your total purchase, not per Dollar face value. 90% Silver does not represent 90% of an ounce of Silver per Dollar face value, it only represent the total percentage of Silver content in these coins, while the actual content of silver is estimated to be .715 ounces of Silver per Dollar face value. So for example if someone was listing their 90% at $1 over spot, you would actually be paying 71.5¢ per Dollar face value ($1 x .715 = 71.5¢). You may often hear people talk about the face value being $14.50 or $17.00 per Dollar face value, but that is not how it is listed or sold in terms of the premium listed and paid. The logic is so you can always compare the price per ounce of Silver in all products you are buying. Apples and Apples not Apples and Oranges that you would be forced to calculate the difference yourself.

UPDATED ON 2/04/2018 The following items listed are potentially on sale items. Some are long term sale prices for the most part, while others are quick hit and miss sales.

The premium price listed for 90% coins represents the amount over the spot price of Silver per ounce in your total purchase, not per Dollar face value. 90% Silver does not represent 90% of an ounce of Silver per Dollar face value, it only represent the total percentage of Silver content in these coins, while the actual content of silver is estimated to be .715 ounces of Silver per Dollar face value. So for example if someone was listing their 90% at $1 over spot, you would actually be paying 71.5¢ per Dollar face value ($1 x .715 = 71.5¢). You may often hear people talk about the face value being $14.50 or $17.00 per Dollar face value, but that is not how it is listed or sold in terms of the premium listed and paid. The logic is so you can always compare the price per ounce of Silver in all products you are buying. Apples and Apples not Apples and Oranges that you would be forced to calculate the difference yourself.

It's all about backdate ASE's @ providentmetals.com, they are currently $1.49 over spot which is below cost as far as I know. $99 orders get you free shipping and they have backdated Brittania's and Maples for even cheaper too.

It's all about backdate ASE's @ providentmetals.com, they are currently $1.49 over spot which is below cost as far as I know. $99 orders get you free shipping and they have backdated Brittania's and Maples for even cheaper too.

That's true, but as far as I know that's their current weekly advertised special of items on sale.

I don't list any sales for Provident and haven't since April 8th of 2017 when I found out about the Elemetal groups financial problems and being shut out of the COMEX and their potential involvement with illegal Gold smuggling.

Two of the Elemetal employees were just sentenced to prison in January.

Provident Metals, NTR and Ohio Precious Metals all merged several years ago to form the Elemetal group.

Provident was suppose to have their own minting operation within that group which has proven to be not true, as they discontinued producing any Silver rounds or bars when Elemetal was shut down.

Not only did this take out the Silver products produced "by Provident Mint" but also the combined minting operation for NTR and Ohio Precious Metals and the refining operation of commercial Gold and possibly Silver bars for the COMEX market.

The refining operation has not filed bankruptcy as of yet and they are in debt for some undetermined amount of money for metal sent in to their operation for which they still owe the customers.

Last year they promised to pay back the debt owed over a several month period on set dates and they have been falling way behind as far as I understand it and only making fractional payments of some tiny amount of what has been promised for the past several months. If the creditors push the issue, then they will be forced into bankruptcy.

Provident Metals has tried to distance themselves from Elemetal, but there is no way of knowing if that is a true fact until Elemetal has actually gone belly up and Provident has not or at least I don't believe they could survive without filing themselves and not have their assets attached if they are actually a component of Elemetal. However, if they are a separate corporation that can be isolated without their assets being involved, it will become known if and when Elemetal should go down.

Individuals are free to purchase from any and all dealers online, in their home towns and at coin shows, it's up to them to take any and all necessary precautions.

I just suggest they pay close attention to what happened at Tulving, Bullion Direct and Northwest Territorial Mint and the Hundred plus millions of investors Dollars that went down the drain with them.

The owner of Tulving is still in prison for his part. The owner of Bullion Direct has just been charged by the federal government and faces 50 years for his crimes as charged.

What will happen to the owner of Northwest Territorial Mint remain to be seen, it appear to take these guys a couple years or more before they get around to prosecuting anyone if then.

There has been a large number of dealers going under with the customers money and most have not gone to jail as with most bankruptcies. However most did not involve the huge losses like these dealers
or have stored bullion that disappeared. There are always arguments and loop holes, so nothing is a guarantee that anyone other than Tulving will see the inside of a jail cell, but it looks promising.

As far as the above sale you have listed at Provident, SD Bullion is selling for the same prices for mixed ASE's at $1.49 each and they are selling mixed Maples at $1.29 each the same as Provident this week. Provident is selling mixed Phils for 99¢ over spot and SD bullion is not, but it's a gamble on anyone's part to do business with them. The shipping charges are only $5.95 at Provident up to a $99 order and then free, they are $7.77 for all orders at SD bullion. Provident has always had one of the best shipping policies, but there is a risk factor for that small fee today.

I believe for those buying in small quantities, it may very well be cheaper to buy from a local dealer and offset the shipping charge with his/her higher premiums, as long as they are not insane as so many are.

Given the option of online versus in person cash and carry without having to leave your money and wait and hope. The cash and carry is a much safer bet, assuming the total price is not all that much different.

For those buying large quantities, it's pretty hard to find a local dealer that can match the online dealer premiums at the best prices available.

Many of them are addresses only and you cannot pickup your product even if you live in the same city.

A lot of that has to do with the fact many of them do not actually touch your metal in some cases as it's a drop ship from the manufacture and they are just a middle man.

For anyone living in the Tampa area, they can take advantage of Gainesville as they are an actual coin dealer. You can order online tonight with tonight's prices and pickup your metal in the morning and save the shipping charges and credit card charges as well and not have to worry about losing your investment as you simply order with a check and pay with cash when you walk in. Gainesville offers some of the best sales of second hand market products and pricing, but they are usually for very short durations and they are second hand products versus new. All online dealers are buying used products sight unseen and they have to sell them the same way. Most will only list premium rounds that are damaged as such or that are spotted and will sell them as such. APMEX and Gainesville list spotted Maples fairly often, but I never list them or damaged rounds no matter how good the deal.

As far as buy backs are concerned, it's a hit and miss thing with different dealers with their offerings and their online offers are not always what they seem to be.

Just to know what these primary dealers are willing to pay for premium older rounds in smaller quantities. Large quantities can fetch much higher premiums at some dealers.

Current year ASE's have a much higher sell back price and some dealers offer a decent sell back price for the previous year for several months into the next year.

Both SD Bullion and APMEX buy back prices for mixed rounds is based on the generic rounds that they sell, the price they pay for other generic rounds is much less and they don't list those prices.

The APMEX buy back prices are based on a $10,000 total and call for lower prices for amounts lower but over $1,000 minimum

I believe both SD Bullion and Provident have a $1,000 minimum and Gainesville has no minimum at all.

SD Bullion was around $1 under spot for odd ball generic products they didn't carry and in the past APMEX was about 40 cents under spot for generic and spot for their own products they do sell, which are now 75¢ under spot, so no telling what they are willing to pay in todays market for generic products they do not sell.

One issue I'd like to bring up again is the disparity in the buy back prices for generic Silver versus that for the premium government rounds.

You can just about count on selling generic Silver for $1 under spot about anywhere most of the time and higher at some dealers.

With the low premiums available for under 50¢ per round on a regular basis for products that some low cost dealers sell their products, your looking at a sell back price difference of only 50¢ - 75¢ between the premium you pay and the price you get.

On Premium government rounds as you can see the amount these dealers are willing to pay for those ASE's is 25¢ - 75¢ after we pay anywhere from $2 to as much as $10 each in premiums for a new one.

Now these figures are for small quantities, some dealers are willing to pay much higher prices for whole monster boxes full and even a higher premium if the seal is still intact.

I had to remove mine, I was not going to have a dealer tell me 20 years later that the contents were all fakes as was the government seal and it was too late to do anything about it.

What I'm seeing right now is that dealers are paying less for everything from what they were paying just a couple months ago.

SD Bullion was paying $2 each for ASE's that were around the 2010 - 2012 range and now it's only $1 each. I guess you can't blame them for not wanting to pay for products that are just setting on shelves.

APMEX has all of theirs on sale with 5% - 15% off on the older ASE's, but APMEX also charges much higher premiums than most other dealers.

Both SD Bullion and APMEX have a much higher buy back rate for the early year ASE's. Some are selling for $80 or so each and they are willing to pay in the $30+ range???

Provident use to offer the older ASE's and was competitive in their buy backs but they haven't been doing that for many months now.

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