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Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und

My healthcare went up, my coverage went down. We weren't allowed to read the bill
The internet is about to become a utility, we weren't allowed to read the bill.
Lied about benghazi
lied about the "Arab spring"
misjudged ISIS
lied about putting all legislation on the internet 5 days prior

among other things, he is untrustworthy.

If I told you that Obama was feeding Christian children to cannibals, would you believe me? He is, after all, untrustworthy.

He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear

Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

"Asked about the open letter of 47 US Senators to Iranian leaders, the Iranian Foreign Minister, Dr. Javad Zarif, responded that "in our view, this letter has no legal value and is mostly a propaganda ploy. It is very interesting that while negotiations are still in progress and while no agreement has been reached, some political pressure groups are so afraid even of the prospect of an agreement that they resort to unconventional methods, unprecedented in diplomatic history. This indicates that like Netanyahu, who considers peace as an existential threat, some are opposed to any agreement, regardless of its content.

Zarif expressed astonishment that some members of US Congress find it appropriate to write to leaders of another country against their own President and administration. He pointed out that from reading the open letter, it seems that the authors not only do not understand international law, but are not fully cognizant of the nuances of their own Constitution when it comes to presidential powers in the conduct of foreign policy
Foreign Minister Zarif added that "I should bring one important point to the attention of the authors and that is, the world is not the United States, and the conduct of inter-state relations is governed by international law, and not by US domestic law. The authors may not fully understand that in international law, governments represent the entirety of their respective states, are responsible for the conduct of foreign affairs, are required to fulfil the obligations they undertake with other states and may not invoke their internal law as justification for failure to perform their international obligations.

The Iranian Foreign Minister added that "change of administration does not in any way relieve the next administration from international obligations undertaken by its predecessor in a possible agreement about Irans peaceful nuclear program." He continued "I wish to enlighten the authors that if the next administration revokes any agreement with the stroke of a pen, as they boast, it will have simply committed a blatant violation of international law.

Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

Originally Posted by VanceMack

Yep. It doesnt fit the narrative. Neither does the fact that as soon as the GOP took control of the House they sent literally hundreds of passed legislative actions that Reid refused to take action on.

Obama's entire legend is steeped in image, based now on the blame game. Every one of his self claims was inflated, his promises grandiose - "i five days we will mark the point in history when the oceans stopped rising....."

There was nothing there to begin with...a cloud of myth based on lies.

So the first sign of trouble, the FIRST challenge and..."I inherited this mess."

I cannot say enough how the rookie Obama blew it for America when he chose to make "enemies" out of his fellow American legislators. Now he has a war he is losing at home, and five or six he's losing around the world.

The fight with congress now is a double blame game. The Republicans will shove as much legislation at him, make Democrats in congress work overtime, and get them both to be seen as the party of "no"

The first shot was the Keystone pipeline bill.....what even Republicans haven't figured out is that was permanent.....forever. The Keystone deal will now never be completed and the US will lose out, and lose face world wide fr having gone back on a deal with America's best friend. What does that tell other world leaders wanting to deal with Obama?

So a year and a half from now, they will have a headline and talking point about how Obama VETOED America and it's allies...

""You know, when we sell to other countries, even if they're allies -- you never know about an ally. An ally can turn."

Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

Originally Posted by Fearandloathing

Obama's entire legend is steeped in image, based now on the blame game. Every one of his self claims was inflated, his promises grandiose - "i five days we will mark the point in history when the oceans stopped rising....."

There was nothing there to begin with...a cloud of myth based on lies.

So the first sign of trouble, the FIRST challenge and..."I inherited this mess."

I cannot say enough how the rookie Obama blew it for America when he chose to make "enemies" out of his fellow American legislators. Now he has a war he is losing at home, and five or six he's losing around the world.

The fight with congress now is a double blame game. The Republicans will shove as much legislation at him, make Democrats in congress work overtime, and get them both to be seen as the party of "no"

The first shot was the Keystone pipeline bill.....what even Republicans haven't figured out is that was permanent.....forever. The Keystone deal will now never be completed and the US will lose out, and lose face world wide fr having gone back on a deal with America's best friend. What does that tell other world leaders wanting to deal with Obama?

So a year and a half from now, they will have a headline and talking point about how Obama VETOED America and it's allies...

Nothing beats his standard response to any and everything his administration is involved with...

Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

Originally Posted by VanceMack

If you are attempting to negotiate an agreeement that is said to run for 10 years with verification, then an EO would not be appropriate. You would have to be the worst kind of moron to entertain a negotiated nuclear treaty with no expectation of compliance beyond your tenure of office.

Obama doesn't give 2 rat ****s about what kinds of a precarious situation the country is going to be in one day after he leaves office, nor what sort of an ungodly mess he leaves the next president to clean up, regardless of which party they are from. That seems pretty clear.

Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

No he didn't. He spent the first 3 years blaming Bush for everything and anything.

Originally Posted by laurcunningham

I can see how you'd come to that conclusion, but the truth of the matter is that he is not interested in working with anyone who strictly wants to create fights and drama for no damned reason.

Well there is a reason he just doesn't agree with the reason.

Originally Posted by laurcunningham

If a Republican that disagreed with him came up with an alternative solution, it's obvious he'd pay attention to it.

You mean like Paul Ryan, who he then publicly embarassed? Perhaps that's what you mean by "pay attention".

Originally Posted by laurcunningham

The problem is that when Obama returns his corrects to the alternative solution to make it more bipartisan, that's when the Republicans lose their minds saying that Obama isn't working with them. You can't expect that Obama says he wants one thing, then a Republican submits an alternate avenue that is completely one-sided, and then to have Obama just say, "Oh, okay, yeah, let's just do that." The whole idea is that he should be able to say, "Okay, I see what you want but let's change it this way and go from there, what do you think?"

But when the Republicans are ignored and not included in the ACA, and are not allowed to submit modifications to the bill when the Democrats ran things - how is that looking for bipartisanship? How is that asking "What do you think?" What you say is simply not true though it sounds reasonable if Obama actually would have done that.

Originally Posted by laurcunningham

So yes, you're correct that at this point in his presidency he no longer cares to try to do the back and forth game with Republicans.

He never cared. The myth and narrative that he tried so hard in the beginning is amusing though.

Originally Posted by laurcunningham

Should Obama not represent his supporters?

Obama should represent ALL Americans, not just his supporters. Unfortunately, that's not what he's about.

Originally Posted by laurcunningham

I do not support everything Obama has done. I've never claimed to. However in this case we'll have to agree to disagree because I believe that you're blinding following this notion that Republicans have done everything they can work with Obama and Obama, from day one, has been a dictator. That's ridiculous. Obama has made decisions I don't agree with, I'm more than willing to admit that. There is no way that anyone can twist and turn facts into "Obama has never tried to work with Republicans" though. That's just blind ignorance and a waste of my time.

Obama has acted on his own, legislated with his pen and phone and outside of his authority now twice as the SCOTUS has ruled. He's done more damage to this country than he's done good - which is where I think history will put him ... at the bottom of the list of Presidents, though, he always will be the first black President.

Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

Originally Posted by iliveonramen

I have no trust in Republicans...not only do they lie but they try and re-write history

Mitch McConnell with a blatant lie...it was the Obama administration in 2012 that went around getting support for sanctions against Iran. It was Republicans that were talking red-line and military options.

If you are a supporter of President Pinocchio, you might want to be a little less free to accuse his opponents of dishonesty. Mr. Obama, in the best commie tradition, is a shameless, habitual liar.