When do I give up on ThinkPads? I've had 53 in the last 5 years, such has been my devotion. Maybe it's time to let go?

Or, just maybe, these keyboards will be so awesome that no dishonour will be brought upon the legacy. Maybe the screens will be so awesome that it won't even matter that the keyboards aren't real keyboards anymore. Or maybe they'll make it worse and get rid of the little ThinkLight altogether, too.

Go on then, discuss.

p.s. I couldn't find a "ThinkPad speculative discussions" area, so I apologise if this is misplaced.

My brother has a Thinkpad Edge E420 and it's fine to type on. I notice a bit of a difference in the way the keys feel in terms of how far my fingers move, but it's easily overcome and I felt fine using it quickly.

What I really don't like is the move to 6 row from 7 row keyboard. Widening and shortening the escape and delete keys seems like a really odd design choice. I actually liked it when they increased the size of the escape key in particular. But transition to 6 row is the part I don't like personally.

I'm also not a fan of the page up and page down locations. Particularly on the E420 as they feel slightly recessed and kind of curved in a way that makes them more difficult for me to use. They also seem to have a bit of a slick coating unlike some of the other keys.

Not that it's going to change the (very-grim-looking-at-the-moment) fate of the traditional ThinkPad keyboard...

Ouch. Can we open a new subforum called "ThinkPad *#30 series" and let everybody rant in there please? Because then I can just write a GreaseMonkey script to hide that forum and be done with this nonsense.

They could keep going... after they switch to glossy screens, they could ditch the swappable drive bay and discontinue docking options. (Though the recently hinted introduction of a USB 3.0 dock seems to be a slightly hopeful sign.)

I never tried the calculator-like keyboard on a thinkpad but I think I can live with that (as long as the feeling of individual keys stays the same). Could help with cleaning.

But for the love of God, why would they change the layout on laptops where there's enough space for a 7-row keyboard?!? I love the current ThinkPad keyboards, the layout and trackpoint are the main advantages of this notebook line. The functional keys separated in groups are a great thing, I can always find them without looking. Same goes for the InsDelHomeEndPgUpDn block. Why change what works so well for millions?!

(only thing I wouldn't miss are the Back/Forward keys around the arrow keys - way to often I pressed it accidentally, only to lose all my text on a page; didn't need it on my T43 either)

I never tried the calculator-like keyboard on a thinkpad but I think I can live with that (as long as the feeling of individual keys stays the same). Could help with cleaning.

But for the love of God, why would they change the layout on laptops where there's enough space for a 7-row keyboard?!? I love the current ThinkPad keyboards, the layout and trackpoint are the main advantages of this notebook line. The functional keys separated in groups are a great thing, I can always find them without looking. Same goes for the InsDelHomeEndPgUpDn block. Why change what works so well for millions?!

(only thing I wouldn't miss are the Back/Forward keys around the arrow keys - way to often I pressed it accidentally, only to lose all my text on a page; didn't need it on my T43 either)

Whether they actually say it or not, it's a cost thing. The lenovo non-thinkpad series basically hijacks what it can from the thinkpad line. You can see it with the keyboards actually. In their mindset, idea whatevers are a consumer grade, thinkpads are business grade. Look at the keyboards though, they are virtually identical already. The consumer trend is to do the stupid chicklets, and if they have to deal with separate lines, they lose margin.

I'm sure they would love nothing more than to merge the lines entirely and kill off thinkpad, but what you are realistically going to see is more of a standardization of things with the ideapads getting the scraps and the thinkpads getting the newest junk they dreamed up.

With the entire laptop market being entirely commoditized for the most part, the only thing they have to do is keep quality higher than the competition in terms of repairs, but they are still using mostly off-the-shelf crap where quality doesn't matter all that much. Make sure they are using the better stuff from off the shelf, keep it black, stick a nipple on it, pretend to care what users want while selling hard on the value of less maintenance to the IT acquisitions people and poof, done. That's all they need to do.

As far as users... claiming that new design X costs more to make than old feature Y is obviously a strategy to continue to justify premium and shut up dissenters. The hilarious thing is that they claim that a 4:3 or 16:10 high-res screen would cost an extra $100 and is therefore impossible. The huge demand for it, with them being the only ones willing to do it... they would capture that entire segment overnight. But no, that's not gonna happen because a strip of black plastic is cheaper than screen.

Why are they going to a 6-row? The end goal is to reduce the size enough to probably get rid of that black strip, but it's gotta be gradual to get away with.

they are still using mostly off-the-shelf crap where quality doesn't matter all that much. Make sure they are using the better stuff from off the shelf, keep it black, stick a nipple on it, pretend to care what users want while selling hard on the value of less maintenance to the IT acquisitions people and poof, done. That's all they need to do.

Much of IBM's "value-add" was in the packaging and presentation of commodity parts too. They actually went one step further than Lenovo has, and fully "badge-engineered" some of their ThinkPads (i.e. took a laptop sold under another product line, changed the color scheme, and called it a ThinkPad.)

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The hilarious thing is that they claim that a 4:3 or 16:10 high-res screen would cost an extra $100 and is therefore impossible. The huge demand for it, with them being the only ones willing to do it... they would capture that entire segment overnight.

You base this on... what exactly?

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But no, that's not gonna happen because a strip of black plastic is cheaper than screen.

No, it's not going to happen because Lenovo doesn't usually design ThinkPads around custom LCD panels, and there aren't multiple sources of new high-res 14"/15" 4:3 panels for them to use.

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