Stanley Baxter wrote:
Another out of town superstore. This will not bring people into the town. They will sell at a cheaper price the tat already being sold in the stores in the town.

Stan, read the article again. Its a distribution centre, not a normal shop.

[quote][p][bold]Stanley Baxter[/bold] wrote:
Another out of town superstore. This will not bring people into the town. They will sell at a cheaper price the tat already being sold in the stores in the town.[/p][/quote]Stan, read the article again. Its a distribution centre, not a normal shop.New 2 Trow

Stanley Baxter wrote:
Another out of town superstore. This will not bring people into the town. They will sell at a cheaper price the tat already being sold in the stores in the town.

Stan, read the article again. Its a distribution centre, not a normal shop.

New 2 Trow, read the article again "It will also include a retail unit selling home, leisure and garden products"

[quote][p][bold]New 2 Trow[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Stanley Baxter[/bold] wrote:
Another out of town superstore. This will not bring people into the town. They will sell at a cheaper price the tat already being sold in the stores in the town.[/p][/quote]Stan, read the article again. Its a distribution centre, not a normal shop.[/p][/quote]New 2 Trow, read the article again "It will also include a retail unit selling home, leisure and garden products"Grumpy & Old

Good luck to them. The more of this type of business kept out of what was the town centre the better.
The town centre grew up from where the most trade existed and was the busiest part of any town.
Time moves on and deliveries become bigger to reduce costs and the small town centres can't cope anymore.
The town centres become pedestrianised making deliveries at large stores even more difficult and making it more dangerous to pedestrians.
So we move the larger stores back to the high street - in Chippenham's case, Bristol Road, Bath Road and soon onto the A350 where the roads can support them and where there is space to park.
What was the "town centre" becomes and quieter social space for people to share, eat, and entertain.
The town centre didn't die, it just moved and forgot to send out change of address cards.

Good luck to them. The more of this type of business kept out of what was the town centre the better.
The town centre grew up from where the most trade existed and was the busiest part of any town.
Time moves on and deliveries become bigger to reduce costs and the small town centres can't cope anymore.
The town centres become pedestrianised making deliveries at large stores even more difficult and making it more dangerous to pedestrians.
So we move the larger stores back to the high street - in Chippenham's case, Bristol Road, Bath Road and soon onto the A350 where the roads can support them and where there is space to park.
What was the "town centre" becomes and quieter social space for people to share, eat, and entertain.
The town centre didn't die, it just moved and forgot to send out change of address cards.wiltshireborne

As great as it is creating jobs in the town, pause for a moment and think about the scale of this proposal, 750,000sqft is 70,000m2, that's pretty much the same size as the Morrison's distribution centre off the M5 (which is just short of 800,000sq ft) It dominates the entire landscape for miles.

I'm all for jobs and economic growth but not at the expense of wiping out what little remains of our green borders... when it's gone it's gone. Why not build nearer to the M4 roundabout... there is land there and it would put far less strain on the already overloaded by-pass roads (commuters already queue through Cepen Park North every day to try and short cut it...) really nice for us residents....

As great as it is creating jobs in the town, pause for a moment and think about the scale of this proposal, 750,000sqft is 70,000m2, that's pretty much the same size as the Morrison's distribution centre off the M5 (which is just short of 800,000sq ft) It dominates the entire landscape for miles.
I'm all for jobs and economic growth but not at the expense of wiping out what little remains of our green borders... when it's gone it's gone. Why not build nearer to the M4 roundabout... there is land there and it would put far less strain on the already overloaded by-pass roads (commuters already queue through Cepen Park North every day to try and short cut it...) really nice for us residents....CPNResi

CPNResi wrote:
As great as it is creating jobs in the town, pause for a moment and think about the scale of this proposal, 750,000sqft is 70,000m2, that's pretty much the same size as the Morrison's distribution centre off the M5 (which is just short of 800,000sq ft) It dominates the entire landscape for miles.

I'm all for jobs and economic growth but not at the expense of wiping out what little remains of our green borders... when it's gone it's gone. Why not build nearer to the M4 roundabout... there is land there and it would put far less strain on the already overloaded by-pass roads (commuters already queue through Cepen Park North every day to try and short cut it...) really nice for us residents....

This store might create 1000 jobs for Chippenham but how many are full time? and how many people who will be working there will be people who live in Chippenham?

Who owns the land that this development is being built on? as if it council owned that answers your questions about where this is being built.

It will only attract shoppers who want to shop at that store. They aren't going to get back in their cars and then drive into Chippenham, pay to park just to have a bite to eat.

[quote][p][bold]CPNResi[/bold] wrote:
As great as it is creating jobs in the town, pause for a moment and think about the scale of this proposal, 750,000sqft is 70,000m2, that's pretty much the same size as the Morrison's distribution centre off the M5 (which is just short of 800,000sq ft) It dominates the entire landscape for miles.
I'm all for jobs and economic growth but not at the expense of wiping out what little remains of our green borders... when it's gone it's gone. Why not build nearer to the M4 roundabout... there is land there and it would put far less strain on the already overloaded by-pass roads (commuters already queue through Cepen Park North every day to try and short cut it...) really nice for us residents....[/p][/quote]This store might create 1000 jobs for Chippenham but how many are full time? and how many people who will be working there will be people who live in Chippenham?
Who owns the land that this development is being built on? as if it council owned that answers your questions about where this is being built.
It will only attract shoppers who want to shop at that store. They aren't going to get back in their cars and then drive into Chippenham, pay to park just to have a bite to eat.Stanley Baxter

mhudston wrote:
Well as so many Chippenham residents are against it, fine, we will have it on the outskirts of Calne instead. 1000 Jobs for Calne would be a great boost for our economy

Calne - on behalf of Chippenham, many thanks, you're very welcome to it.

[quote][p][bold]mhudston[/bold] wrote:
Well as so many Chippenham residents are against it, fine, we will have it on the outskirts of Calne instead. 1000 Jobs for Calne would be a great boost for our economy[/p][/quote]Calne - on behalf of Chippenham, many thanks, you're very welcome to it.CPNResi

On a more serious note, I will be starting a petition shortly in objection to this development - I will be at the consultation late afternoon next Friday if you would like to sign it (but please don't let this supersede any other formal objection you may wish to make).

I reiterate - I am not against developing the town, but development needs to be appropriate and well considered and conceived. Not, just what suits the developer.

See you at the consultation.

On a more serious note, I will be starting a petition shortly in objection to this development - I will be at the consultation late afternoon next Friday if you would like to sign it (but please don't let this supersede any other formal objection you may wish to make).
I reiterate - I am not against developing the town, but development needs to be appropriate and well considered and conceived. Not, just what suits the developer.
See you at the consultation.CPNResi

CPNResi wrote:
As great as it is creating jobs in the town, pause for a moment and think about the scale of this proposal, 750,000sqft is 70,000m2, that's pretty much the same size as the Morrison's distribution centre off the M5 (which is just short of 800,000sq ft) It dominates the entire landscape for miles.

I'm all for jobs and economic growth but not at the expense of wiping out what little remains of our green borders... when it's gone it's gone. Why not build nearer to the M4 roundabout... there is land there and it would put far less strain on the already overloaded by-pass roads (commuters already queue through Cepen Park North every day to try and short cut it...) really nice for us residents....

This store might create 1000 jobs for Chippenham but how many are full time? and how many people who will be working there will be people who live in Chippenham?

Who owns the land that this development is being built on? as if it council owned that answers your questions about where this is being built.

It will only attract shoppers who want to shop at that store. They aren't going to get back in their cars and then drive into Chippenham, pay to park just to have a bite to eat.

A big warehouse shed the size of 15 football pitches , lit 24 / 7 and 50 ft high ....I 'd rather see the cows in the field please rather than that ,,,

[quote][p][bold]Stanley Baxter[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]CPNResi[/bold] wrote:
As great as it is creating jobs in the town, pause for a moment and think about the scale of this proposal, 750,000sqft is 70,000m2, that's pretty much the same size as the Morrison's distribution centre off the M5 (which is just short of 800,000sq ft) It dominates the entire landscape for miles.
I'm all for jobs and economic growth but not at the expense of wiping out what little remains of our green borders... when it's gone it's gone. Why not build nearer to the M4 roundabout... there is land there and it would put far less strain on the already overloaded by-pass roads (commuters already queue through Cepen Park North every day to try and short cut it...) really nice for us residents....[/p][/quote]This store might create 1000 jobs for Chippenham but how many are full time? and how many people who will be working there will be people who live in Chippenham?
Who owns the land that this development is being built on? as if it council owned that answers your questions about where this is being built.
It will only attract shoppers who want to shop at that store. They aren't going to get back in their cars and then drive into Chippenham, pay to park just to have a bite to eat.[/p][/quote]A big warehouse shed the size of 15 football pitches , lit 24 / 7 and 50 ft high ....I 'd rather see the cows in the field please rather than that ,,,sn14view

There really are some people on here who will do anything to moan.
How you can make a bad news story out of this is beyond me.
1000 jobs? Is that good enough. No, not for some on here. "How many will be full time" Likelihood is at least 1/2 will be! 500 full time roles. Thats flipping brilliant news!
Will they all be taken by locals? No. Will some. Definitely.
Cows? What cows do you see now? Its a hedgerow!
Its likely to be a dual carriageway within a few years so you are whining about having a big workplace next to a dual carriageway.
It really is pathetic.

There really are some people on here who will do anything to moan.
How you can make a bad news story out of this is beyond me.
1000 jobs? Is that good enough. No, not for some on here. "How many will be full time" Likelihood is at least 1/2 will be! 500 full time roles. Thats flipping brilliant news!
Will they all be taken by locals? No. Will some. Definitely.
Cows? What cows do you see now? Its a hedgerow!
Its likely to be a dual carriageway within a few years so you are whining about having a big workplace next to a dual carriageway.
It really is pathetic.StopMoaningNow

Chippenham is in desperate need of investment in both the town centre and out of town/employment land. The town has fallen way behind most of the other local towns in the area, Trowbridge, Devizes, Melksham, Corsham have all improved substantially over the last 10 or so years with new houses, new business and jobs, new retail and new leisure . If Chippenham doesn't start to grow and build new houses including affordable at at least 30%, new jobs, new retail and new leisure, the town will completely fail resulting in an empty town centre, higher crime levels, no new jobs and other businesses relocating elsewhere, as has already happened. Not a great place to be but at least the Nimbies would have had their way! Please Wilts Council, grant the planning application and get on and start rebuilding this town.

Chippenham is in desperate need of investment in both the town centre and out of town/employment land. The town has fallen way behind most of the other local towns in the area, Trowbridge, Devizes, Melksham, Corsham have all improved substantially over the last 10 or so years with new houses, new business and jobs, new retail and new leisure . If Chippenham doesn't start to grow and build new houses including affordable at at least 30%, new jobs, new retail and new leisure, the town will completely fail resulting in an empty town centre, higher crime levels, no new jobs and other businesses relocating elsewhere, as has already happened. Not a great place to be but at least the Nimbies would have had their way! Please Wilts Council, grant the planning application and get on and start rebuilding this town.Worldresident

I agree with the sentiments, but I don't agree that developing at all costs is necessarily the answer. My original suggestion was to build this (very large) industrial site at arms length from the town, i.e. in proximity to the motorway junction. I don't see how that's an issue (there are several hectares of land for sale) and we can keep the growth. As a point of fact, this would also leave room to expand the centre of the town in the future. *That* is the point I am making here (albeit nobody seems to understand it).

Examples of Trowbridge and Melksham were given above as exemplars of local communities who are embracing industrial partnerships. That's fine as a statement, but you only have to look at average house prices to understand how 'desirable' these ex-market towns are to live in.

On a more practical note, Chippenham had a population of c20,000 in 2001, we now have a population of some 45,000 (census data 2012) - I wouldn't say therefore that nothing much has happened in the last 10 years....

But to come back to my original point (and ensure it is understood) - I am not against development or investment in our town, it just has to be well planned, considered and forward thinking.

I agree with the sentiments, but I don't agree that developing at all costs is necessarily the answer. My original suggestion was to build this (very large) industrial site at arms length from the town, i.e. in proximity to the motorway junction. I don't see how that's an issue (there are several hectares of land for sale) and we can keep the growth. As a point of fact, this would also leave room to expand the centre of the town in the future. *That* is the point I am making here (albeit nobody seems to understand it).
Examples of Trowbridge and Melksham were given above as exemplars of local communities who are embracing industrial partnerships. That's fine as a statement, but you only have to look at average house prices to understand how 'desirable' these ex-market towns are to live in.
- Chippenham average: £181,650
- Trowbridge average: £166,213
- Melksham average: £167,837
Figures taken from Rightmove.
On a more practical note, Chippenham had a population of c20,000 in 2001, we now have a population of some 45,000 (census data 2012) - I wouldn't say therefore that nothing much has happened in the last 10 years....
But to come back to my original point (and ensure it is understood) - I am not against development or investment in our town, it just has to be well planned, considered and forward thinking.CPNResi

Worldresident wrote:
Chippenham is in desperate need of investment in both the town centre and out of town/employment land. The town has fallen way behind most of the other local towns in the area, Trowbridge, Devizes, Melksham, Corsham have all improved substantially over the last 10 or so years with new houses, new business and jobs, new retail and new leisure . If Chippenham doesn't start to grow and build new houses including affordable at at least 30%, new jobs, new retail and new leisure, the town will completely fail resulting in an empty town centre, higher crime levels, no new jobs and other businesses relocating elsewhere, as has already happened. Not a great place to be but at least the Nimbies would have had their way! Please Wilts Council, grant the planning application and get on and start rebuilding this town.

Couldn't agree more. Chippenham desperately needs this investment as there has been woeful under investment in Chippenham's economy in relation to the rate of population growth.

To the commenter above talking about house prices, you seem to forget that Chippenham is only boosted because of its proximity to the M4 and having a main line station. It has nothing to do with industrial development pushing house prices down elsewhere.

Besides, you can't even see the by-pass - let alone beyond it - from most of cepen park. It already has an eyesore of its own - one of my colleagues nicknamed it Pylonland. And development like this can only be expected alongside a major trunk road next to a sizeable town.

And wouldn't it be better to develop this AND the land alongside the M4? Twice as many jobs! Now that is forward thinking.

[quote][p][bold]Worldresident[/bold] wrote:
Chippenham is in desperate need of investment in both the town centre and out of town/employment land. The town has fallen way behind most of the other local towns in the area, Trowbridge, Devizes, Melksham, Corsham have all improved substantially over the last 10 or so years with new houses, new business and jobs, new retail and new leisure . If Chippenham doesn't start to grow and build new houses including affordable at at least 30%, new jobs, new retail and new leisure, the town will completely fail resulting in an empty town centre, higher crime levels, no new jobs and other businesses relocating elsewhere, as has already happened. Not a great place to be but at least the Nimbies would have had their way! Please Wilts Council, grant the planning application and get on and start rebuilding this town.[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more. Chippenham desperately needs this investment as there has been woeful under investment in Chippenham's economy in relation to the rate of population growth.
To the commenter above talking about house prices, you seem to forget that Chippenham is only boosted because of its proximity to the M4 and having a main line station. It has nothing to do with industrial development pushing house prices down elsewhere.
Besides, you can't even see the by-pass - let alone beyond it - from most of cepen park. It already has an eyesore of its own - one of my colleagues nicknamed it Pylonland. And development like this can only be expected alongside a major trunk road next to a sizeable town.
And wouldn't it be better to develop this AND the land alongside the M4? Twice as many jobs! Now that is forward thinking.NoNIMBYs

So basically, without meaning to be blunt.... my estate already has eyesores in your view, so why should we be bothered about a giant distribution centre so close by...? I mean, so what if it would be one of the largest in the UK operating 24/7 with non-stop HGV traffic... yeah, we'll just take that on the chin. I mean to be fair, it's a good comparison to half a dozen pylons....

The fact it *could* be built in a far more suitable location is obviously academic here though so hey... as long as you're all right Jack... ?

So basically, without meaning to be blunt.... my estate already has eyesores in your view, so why should we be bothered about a giant distribution centre so close by...? I mean, so what if it would be one of the largest in the UK operating 24/7 with non-stop HGV traffic... yeah, we'll just take that on the chin. I mean to be fair, it's a good comparison to half a dozen pylons....
The fact it *could* be built in a far more suitable location is obviously academic here though so hey... as long as you're all right Jack... ?CPNResi

Pylons aside, my point is that if you choose to live alongside a major by-pass on the edge of town then something like this is bound to happen eventually.

I can't really see how much effect it would have - it's not in the estate, hgvs won't be going through it, and if you have suitable insulation the light and noise wouldn't be a problem - a street lamp directly outside a window would cause more discomfort.

I used to live on the edge of an industrial area, and I encountered no problems. Whilst I can understand your concerns I do think you are slightly overreacting.

Pylons aside, my point is that if you choose to live alongside a major by-pass on the edge of town then something like this is bound to happen eventually.
I can't really see how much effect it would have - it's not in the estate, hgvs won't be going through it, and if you have suitable insulation the light and noise wouldn't be a problem - a street lamp directly outside a window would cause more discomfort.
I used to live on the edge of an industrial area, and I encountered no problems. Whilst I can understand your concerns I do think you are slightly overreacting.NoNIMBYs

I went past the b and q shed at swindon the other day .. these things are massive and all the trucks sit in the laybys .. sleeping ... surely its better up by the truckstop / junc ect if it goes to our town , not by the farmshop ...... ?

I went past the b and q shed at swindon the other day .. these things are massive and all the trucks sit in the laybys .. sleeping ... surely its better up by the truckstop / junc ect if it goes to our town , not by the farmshop ...... ?sn14view

My last comment I think as it's getting repetitive and no doubt I am starting to sound like a broken record.

Essentially, there are better places to put it where it would obviously be more appropriate, away from Allington Village, the golf club and our attractive farm shop seems a good start. The obvious place is the motorway junction for various reasons.

Is something like this being inevitable next to Cepen Park North? Maybe, but actually the Chippenham Vision 2011 and documents preceding it published by the council have maintained that that Cepen Way is considered a natural green/organic boundary to the town and therefore formed the basis of rejecting various proposals for new housing on previous occasions.

I'm just concerned that this position appears to have changed for no apparent reason.

My last comment I think as it's getting repetitive and no doubt I am starting to sound like a broken record.
Essentially, there are better places to put it where it would obviously be more appropriate, away from Allington Village, the golf club and our attractive farm shop seems a good start. The obvious place is the motorway junction for various reasons.
Is something like this being inevitable next to Cepen Park North? Maybe, but actually the Chippenham Vision 2011 and documents preceding it published by the council have maintained that that Cepen Way is considered a natural green/organic boundary to the town and therefore formed the basis of rejecting various proposals for new housing on previous occasions.
I'm just concerned that this position appears to have changed for no apparent reason.CPNResi