Don't doubt yourself, and make someone a wager for $50 that ATi release before nVidia

That's not a bet I would take, but of course after I said I refused it or ignored it, someone here would make a thread saying I owe the person who made the bet the money anyway.
(and that I should "be a man, and pay my bets that were never agreed upon")

I don't care if kepler ships before ATi's parts. As long as ATi isn't offering PhysX or 3d Vision Surround, or something I consider better, their cards are out of the question for me anyway.
(not like I'm going have three 3d monitors and let the capability go to waste, even if ATi cards could give me faster framerates)

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Nivida has confirmed that it will not be shipping its next generation GPU this year.

Things have been very quiet on the next-gen GPU front recenty, as we mentioned in our recent podcast . However, the news, which is sure to disappoint Nvidia fans hoping to ask Father Christmas for some new shiny silicon before the year is out, was confirmed by Ken Brown, a spokesman for Nvidia over on Techspot.

Keplar - the codename for the successor to Nvidia's current GPU architecture, Fermi, and Nvidia's effort at nailing the 28nm manufacturing process, will not be landing on shelves until 2012

Mr Brown stated 'Although we will have early silicon this year, Kepler-based products are actually scheduled to go into production in 2012. We wanted to clarify this so people wouldn’t expect product to be available this year'

funny thing is that both articles came from the same place. I do agree that to make 28nm manufacturing is going to take some time as it's like a tool and dye company creating a new mold for a product. Your basically redoing your assembly line in that sense and that takes time. Isn't it ironic that TSMC has both AMD and Nvidia by the balls when it comes to production of their gpu's? In the US and Canada, we would call that monopoly and anti-trust.

funny thing is that both articles came from the same place. I do agree that to make 28nm manufacturing is going to take some time as it's like a tool and dye company creating a new mold for a product. Your basically redoing your assembly line in that sense and that takes time. Isn't it ironic that TSMC has both AMD and Nvidia by the balls when it comes to production of their gpu's? In the US and Canada, we would call that monopoly and anti-trust.

Not really, theres always Global Foundries. In fact I think they might have 28nm up before TSMC does.

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Exactly. I don't expect every game, or even most to deliver these optimisations. However, NVIDIA cards give me comparable performance on the "old school" rendering, so why not opt to get access to the cool eye candy where available?

Even if NVIDIA sent me packing tomorrow, I'd still buy their cards instead of ATi just for the flexibility.

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Being first has its rewards and if one looks at the setbacks with the incarnations of Fermi -- not only did AMD gain an incredible amount of market share, they actually did retake over-all discrete leadership for a quarter, with solid revenues and profits from their GPU division.

Granted, perfect storms don't hit companies all the time but even talented companies like nVidia and ATI/AMD suffer through them. nVidia weathered this and came back strong with future iterations of the Fermi architecture and did retake share.