Gary Numan Digest Sun, 16 Jan 2000 Volume 2 : Issue 4
Today's Topics:
Administrivia
Bowie & 1999
cancel silence, they screamed for days
Come back in time with the NAGNFC
Ethics? Or my overreaction?
Gary was on Virgin Radio
MACHINE & SOUL EXTENDED
My turn for apologies
North American Gary Numan Fan Club announcement
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 05:58:51 -0700
From: root
Subject: Administrivia
To: digest
Sorry about the garbage from oldcs.uwp.edu, I was told the machine was
completely deactivated and didn't expect the old digest to keep running.
I have killed the old digest completely from that machine now and we
shouldn't be seeing anything from there again.
-Dave
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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 07:41:16 -0500
From: Matthew Roberts
Subject: Bowie & 1999
To: Gary Numan
A new book, "Changes - The Stories Behind Every David Bowie Song 1970-198=
0"
rehashes my theory that Teenage Wildlife is about Gary Numan. However, it=
points out that there was a different, unnamed, 70's pop star who
approached Bowie for advice and probably gave at least partial inspiratio=
n
for the song.
On the subject of the Thin White Duke, I think I suggested a while ago th=
at
Bowie's new album, "hours..." was rubbish. I take it all back, it's
actually got some rather brilliant songs on it. It might even eventually
replace Earthling as my favourite Bowie album. Just goes to show that you=
shouldn't dismiss music on first hearing.
Since it's nearly a year since I did the first "favourite album chart", a=
nd
there has been so much great music released since, here's my personal 199=
9
top 10:
1. The Ideal Crash - dEUS =
2. Title Of Record - Filter
3. hours... - David Bowie
4. 13 - Blur
5. Maybe You've Been Brainwashed Too - New Radicals (1998 but who knew?)
6. Supergrass - Supergrass
7. The Fragile - Nine Inch Nails
8. Head Music - Suede
9. Midnite Vultures - Beck
10. Surrender - The Chemical Brothers
2000 looks pretty good too....
The Smashing Pumpkins - MACHINA/The Machines Of God (more Mellon Collie
than Adore apparently, but Adore was such a unique album, that's OK)
Marilyn Manson - In The Shadow Of The Valley Of Death (hopefully a return=
to Antichrist Superstar form)
Kraftwerk - Expo 2000??? (a follow up to Electric Cafe?)
plus Gary Numan, Radiohead and Placebo.
Matthew Roberts
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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 01:38:32 -0600
From: Valerie Iglar-Mobley
Subject: cancel silence, they screamed for days
To: The Gary Digest
Dear Derek, and numanoids all,
> Or would you think to yourself, 'Who are these people taking
> over the convention?
> ...
> Have I made my point? While both our analogies have flaws mine I
> believe is closer to the reality of the Digest
Uh, judges, I'm going to need a ruling on this one...
> Bzzzzzt WRONG!
Oh, I'm so sorry, thank you for playing.
Where your analogy breaks down is in the fact that no one can monopolize
the Digest. There isn't just one microphone. No matter how long any
one person yammers on, anyone else is still free to post whatever else
they wish to. Those text-salad image-file attachments amply proved that
point; they were absolutely huge, but the rest of the Digest came
through nonetheless, they weren't squeezed out.
No one even HAS to read anyone else's post. Anyone can skip over a post
by just doing a search for the next "subject:" (barring that phrase
being interjected into a post, like this). I've done this myself to get
past those pesky image files.
So, since it's not out of consideration for size constraints, nor to
save subscribers from messages they can't avoid, the ONLY reason to
censor messages is... just to control the speech. Just for fun. Just
to flex muscle. To get rid of whatever input you personally would like
to do without.
Well, how nice for you.
> But any post about the validity of Christianity, homosexual morality
> or any off-topic subject is the initial act of alienation.
That is just so wrong. Diversity is not alienation, it's exactly the
opposite; it's inclusion. Censorship is alienation! (That comment of
yours is so Orwellian it rates right up there beside the classics, like
"war is peace" or "freedom is slavery.")
> While dissent is fine with me, a democracy this is not.
Well now, isn't that an interesting statement. I hope everyone read
that comment, and understands what is being said.
"Ultimately, this isn't OUR Digest. It's mine."
* * *
Of course, I think we all know why the Digest has censors. What is it
they're afraid we might say? Why has Gary stopped linking to some
sites, claiming he was doing so "because they were offering MP3 files
for downloading"?
Let's bring it out in the open! The real reason they're afraid to keep
this forum free is because of the danger that we might expose the truth,
which is that XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX bootleg recording of Gary's
unreleased demos of XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX the "machmen" co-conspiring to XXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX finally get to be heard.
There. Now, it's been said. Derek and Dave, you don't have to worry
about censorship, anymore; the dirty little secret you've been hiding is
out of the bag, at last. You can relax your vigilant watch over what we
post.
love to all,
and great relief that I don't have to carry that alone, anymore,
Benjamin Iglar-Mobley
http://www.TheX-files.com
(proud member of BaranOYdS LIKE US)
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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 11:14:15 -0800 (PST)
From: PolareBear
Subject: Come back in time with the NAGNFC
To: numan@cs.uwp.edu
Well NumaNews is slow these days, so come back in time with me won't
you? The NAGNFC has been making Numanoids smile and informing them for over
10 years. Ever wonder what the first issue in 1989 was like? The NAGNFC
Website will soon present a special gallery feature on the horse and buggy
days of the NAGNFC. In the meantime, here are the very first words by a
21-year old Jim "The Machman" Napier from a time when most folks had never
heard of the Internet:
VOLUME ONE - NOVEMBER 1989 - ISSUE ONE
Hello fellow Numanoids! Welcome to the first issue of the only Gary
Numan fan club this side of the big pond. The main reason I started a fan
club was to bring Numan lovers from everywhere together in a publication
that will inform with updates, answer questions any member sends in (and
there may be many as interviews are rare!), discographies to assist aspiring
collectors, and to help out even more, arrange free Numan items to be given
away in a monthly trivia contest. All this and a few surprises along the
way. Many of us have been Numanoids for many, many years. How many times
have one of us asked someone if they've heard of the guy? Usually all we
receive in return is a blank stare. One time someone responded to me,
"Isn't he the comedian?" Hardly!!
Hopefully, all this will change with his first brand new U.S. release
since I, Assassin in 1982. It's called New Anger out on I.R.S. Records, and
for those of you who haven't yet taken it home, you can actually buy this
Numan LP at ANY STORE THAT SELLS MUSIC!! Yes, even your local mall has this
one. This album is much like Metal Rhythm released in England on the
Illegal label in 1988, only some of the songs are remixed and the U.S. LP
has a remixed version of 'My Dying Machine' from his 1984 release Berserker
(on his own record label, Numa). There is a lyric off his latest solo
single, America, that goes "I'm looking for America, I'm looking for
you...", and believe you me, he is in a major way. Not only has he signed
onto a U.S. label, but my local college radio station is starting to play
stuff off New Anger. Could this mean (gasp!) his first U.S. tour in ten
years? Could it be possible? Egad! I'm waiting with baited breath! Whew!
I'm okay now. Please write and let me know your thoughts on this or
anything else (and get to see your name in print in the process!).
AFTER A RARE ARTICLE, THE 1978 DISCOGRAPHY, IS TRIVIA ELECTRIC?, THE AUDIO
PRINCIPLE AND LOTSA EXCLUSIVE PICS, THE FIRST FANZINE ENDED LIKE THIS:
Next month, your newsletter will feature the 'Numan Classifieds'! If
you have stuff you're looking for and/or items for sale or if you just need
some pen pals that share your interest, forward your ads at this address.
Ads are free to all members.
I'd like to say at this point that it has been a lot of fun assembling
this newsletter. Many people should be thanked for their talented efforts.
Diane for her artist's rendition, my grandfather for his typewriter, my
father for his support, and my mother for her white-out.
The article was from a magazine no one's ever heard of called 'Way
Ahead' (1978).
'Til next time!
c 1989 Gary Numan Fan Club of North America
And thus began NAGNFC history. The fanzine went on to be shipped to 12
countries monthly and became far bigger and slicker looking. A real and
palpable community was formed. In a world of Rick Astley and Kylie Minogue,
the NAGNFC served as much a support group for Numanoids as well as a way to
see the latest news and pictures. See a couple pics from that historic
first issue here:
http://members.xoom.com/numann/numann/nagnfc1.jpg
http://members.xoom.com/numann/numann/nagnfc2.jpg
Then come see what the hell we're up to these days!:
http://themachman.garynumanfan.nu
'Til next time!
Jim "The Machman" Napier
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:13:17 EST
From: SteelHanky@aol.com
Subject: Ethics? Or my overreaction?
To: digest@garynumanfan.nu
> Hello Numanoids Of The World! Jim "The Machman" Napier here to
> answer any lingering questions about Machmen.
(snip)
> Think of it as the Holy Trinity of Machmen. Separate but still one and
> equal. Rumors persist of a fourth Machman. According to Machman
> Legend, he wanders the hills of southern Idaho blasting Numan music
> on his boombox. As a result, he has bonded with and become one with
> the wild animals there.
(etc...)
This cheesy and quite UNentertaining drivel sure brings back memories of the
equally cheesy North American Fan Club newsletter. << I will grant the
following: I may still be bitter over ordering and never receiving a number
of Numan videos Napier claimed to have sent and re-sent me (his replies of "I
guess there's a Numanoid at the Fort Bragg post office who wanted those tapes
just a little bit more than you!" got old REAL fast.)>> To continue, while
searching Ebay for Numan stuff to add to my collection, I see:
GARY NUMAN - The Video Principle (Vol. 1) VHS Item #230660378
Sold on Ebay for $76. A freaking copy of a copy of a copy of those old Numan
tv appearances a lot of us have, copied once more and auctioned off to the
public. Somehow, I find this so much different than offering identical
copies to his old newsletter subscribers for $10, maybe $15, or selling his
"Noise Noise" cassettes for $5. I am tolerant of selling these tapes to
Numanoids at a reasonable price to cover expenses, but putting one on Ebay is
clearly a moneymaking venture. Those Numan clips aren't yours to sell,
Napier. What on EARTH was your motivation to do this? If you were truly
interested in spreading Numan out to folks who didn't know these appearances
are exchanged freely in areas like this email list, you would've offered more
than just one copy, considering how easily these can be cranked out on a dual
VCR.
Those TV appearances are NOT yours to sell. Why are you selling them?
--- JAD...
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 09:18:41 -0000
From: "Graham Fletcher"
Subject: Gary was on Virgin Radio
To:
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Hi everyone I hope you all had a great new year.
Well my news is that while driving to my work this morning at 8.25am =
Gary Numan was played on Virgin Radio after hearing Chris Evans =
interview with David Bowie.
Well I hope you are all doing well if anyone who is coming to London for =
the first time to see Gary's next gig and would like to be shown round =
London (Pubs) let me know I will be more than happy to show fellow Numan =
fans a pub or two.
Speak to you soon
Graham Fletcher, Surrey, UK
FletcherGraham@btinternet.com
www.brelades.cco.uk
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Hi everyone I hope you all had a = great new=20 year.
Well my news is that while driving to = my work this=20 morning at 8.25am Gary Numan was played on Virgin Radio after hearing = Chris=20 Evans interview with David Bowie.
Well I hope you are all doing well if = anyone who is=20 coming to London for the first time to see Gary's next gig and would = like to be=20 shown round London (Pubs) let me know I will be more than happy to show = fellow=20 Numan fans a pub or two.
Speak to you soon
Graham Fletcher, Surrey, = UK
FletcherGraham@btinternet.c= om
www.brelades.cco.uk
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 05:21:48 -0000
From: "ANDY TAYLOR"
Subject: MACHINE & SOUL EXTENDED
To: "Numan"
Hello All
Just wanted to say thank you to everybody who answered my question about my
copy of Machine & Soul Extended (not!) You've put my mind at ease and now I
can sleep at night!!!
A few years ago, my wife was taking her driving test and as she made her way
down the street she looked across the road and saw Gary's bus standing
outside a local hotel. She screamed out with excitement, almost giving the
poor examiner a heart attack!! When she got back to the test centre, the
examiner turned to her and said "You've passed"!!
(I wonder if he was a secret Numanoid??)
Garys bus was outside the hotel because he had been performing at a local
venue the night before (The Sanctuary, Milton Keynes) Sadly, I couldn't make
it.
However, I'm still proud to claim (and boast to my non-Numan friends) that I
was at The Appollo, London when he did the Dream Corrosion tour.
(Haven't been able to spot myself on the video though!!)
Thanx once again.
=A=N=D=Y=>
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:46:46 -0000
From: "Phil Marsh"
Subject: My turn for apologies
To: digest@garynumanfan.nu
Terrific - my first mail to the new Digest includes a load of
html...sorry everyone. I updated my email program and for some
reason it turned off the "send as plain text" tick box I had
previously...didn't last time I installed an update, so it didn't occur it
might have this time...anyway, very sorry to all; hopefully this
message is code free. And I don't even use Outlook....
Incidentally, going briefly back to the "Machman" thread - I was
forgetting (being from li'l ole Englan') - the USA is many times
bigger, and obviously has plenty of room for plenty of Machmen...:-)
Just so long as none of you start signing off "The "original"
Machman" or something! :-) Jeff, your reg plate must be worth an
absolute fortune...cool or WHAT?! :-)
Anyway, wouldn't it be nice, following Derek's very reasonable
explanation of why we subscribe here, and the new server, new
year...if we tried to avoid the rows and flame wars that became
common place last year (I hope to God I have turned off the html on
this message, otherwise I'll be starting a new one!).
Phil
(phil.marsh@ndirect.co.uk)
http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~phil.marsh
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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 07:59:56 -0800 (PST)
From: PolareBear
Subject: North American Gary Numan Fan Club announcement
To: numan@cs.uwp.edu
Hello Numanoids Of The World! Jim "The Machman" Napier here to serve
and protect the needs of Numanoids the world over. Big announcement this
week: The XOOM.Com site:
http://members.xoom.com/polarebear/polarebear/machman.htm
is no more. The popularity of the labyrinth NAGNFC Website and the 110 MB
of audio and pictures was getting a little too big for the likes of
XOOM.COM. The files were unceremoniously pulled. But never fear, brand new
audio files will be featured over time! In fact, the entire NAGNFC site
will be bigger than before! On the upside, it's very flattering for the
NAGNFC to get booted from a lowly mainstream freebie outfit. Thanks to Joey
Lindstrom and the NuServer, the NAGNFC now completely enters an upper
echelon of webism without the unsightly banner ads! Stay tuned for pure,
unadulterated NAGNFC goodness!
If you have used the old address for the past few years, there is an
identical mirror site that has existed since May. So change your bookmark
to:
http://themachman.garynumanfan.nu
for all your NAGNFC needs.
But ya know, I do kind of miss those banner ads plastered across the
top of every page on XOOM.com. No, wait, I must have said that because of
the strong penchant odor of a gas leak I am smelling. I best go check it
out before something explodes. This is my 3rd house this month and the
insurance company is getting suspicious. Bye all!
Your friend,
Jim
Curator NAGNFC
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