Loss of salvation.

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i think people should stop identifying with these man made terms of men

then the wolves using strawmen to attack a broad vauge faceless group of people will have no power

and much less time will be wasted

if someone is attacking "easy believism"

you dont even know what they mean until they define it

are they saying it is the false belief where you say a prayer and "feel" like you meant it and youre saved? (definitely a false belief.... in which case it is good to stand against someone who believes the work of saying a prayer paired with a desire to be saved indeed saves them)

or are they attacking the fact that we are saved by grace through faith not of works

before works

apart from works

these silly terms wolves throw around and try to knock down should be ignored

if we are going to debate it should be in order to try and reveal truth to another

not defend or attack some man made non-biblical term

i dont identify with "osas"
but i do know for a fact based on scripture a born again son/daughter is saved already
and this can not be undone

joefizz

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i think people should stop identifying with these man made terms of men

then the wolves using strawmen to attack a broad vauge faceless group of people will have no power

and much less time will be wasted

if someone is attacking "easy believism"

you dont even know what they mean until they define it

are they saying it is the false belief where you say a prayer and "feel" like you meant it and youre saved? (definitely a false belief.... in which case it is good to stand against someone who believes the work of saying a prayer paired with a desire to be saved indeed saves them)

or are they attacking the fact that we are saved by grace through faith not of works

before works

apart from works

these silly terms wolves throw around and try to knock down should be ignored

if we are going to debate it should be in order to try and reveal truth to another

not defend or attack some man made non-biblical term

i dont identify with "osas"
but i do know for a fact based on scripture a born again son/daughter is saved already
and this can not be undone

Not even remotely true. Not believing in once saved always saved does not automatically have to mean you're trusting in self. But I understand that is the only way the church can see it. And, of course, since that's the only way they are capable of seeing it, it has to be that way.

No one can trust in Christ except that God gives the faith to know the gospel is really true to begin with. And even the trusting we do in response to the gift of faith can only last with God's help and encouragement. That's hardly you trusting in self. Trusting in Christ to be saved when you first trusted in Christ was not you trusting in yourself, and it certainly isn't now.

"do not throw away your confidence, which has a great reward."-Hebrews 10:35

keep decieving yourself and believing this. See hiw far it gets you in judgment day

But I understand that is the only way the church can see it. And, of course, since that's the only way they are capable of seeing it, it has to be that way.

No one can trust in Christ except that God gives the faith to know the gospel is really true to begin with. And even the trusting we do in response to the gift of faith can only last with God's help and encouragement. That's hardly you trusting in self. Trusting in Christ to be saved when you first trusted in Christ was not you trusting in yourself, and it certainly isn't now.

"do not throw away your confidence, which has a great reward."-Hebrews 10:35

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35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.

36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.

38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
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john 6

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

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1 John 2:19
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us

those who are of us (born again believers)
continue with us

and we are not of them that cast away their "confidence"

a saving faith endures until the end

a flimsy faith that only appears genuine before some men and only for a time that can be walked away from is not genuine to begin with

Well, what else would you put them into? Since they are trusting in God's grace to keep them saved even when they knowingly and willingly sin and keep on sinning (and say it doesn't matter how they live)!!!! And you don't have to repent -- just believe and everything will be OK . . .

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Well, what else would you put them into? Since they are trusting in God's grace to keep them saved even when they knowingly and willingly sin and keep on sinning (and say it doesn't matter how they live)!!!! And you don't have to repent -- just believe and everything will be OK . . .

Hypergrace does not teach you can live in sin, they agree with john whoever lives in sin has never seen god or known him

hypergrace does not say you do not have to repent, they say you repent in order to be saved, if you have not repented, you have no faith, and thus have no salvation, they also say you confess your sins to god and each other

and hypergrace does not teach you just have to believe, they teach you have to have living faith.

sadly, they promote health and wealth, but those things has nothing to do with te gospel or salvation, so will not speak of that subject when we are discussing the gospel which saves

Prior to my conversion, while still attending the Roman Catholic church, I was in the non-OSAS camp and was very insecure about salvation. I was on a roller coaster ride of fear and bondage to IN-security!