I'm giving up on my Bunn Thermo Fresh. Even with the restrictor spray head, trying a finer grind and brewing 50 grams with 25 oz water, the coffee is strong but lifeless. Again my old Mr Coffee with the same ratio gives a full bodied, robust satisfying cup.

So I'm down to the Bonavita and now I have found the Bunn HG Phase.

Does anyone have both and could comment. We like Starbucks House Blend as our daily brew; what I consider a darker medium roast. I drink mine black and my wife does add 1/2 and 1/2.

I'm giving up on my Bunn Thermo Fresh. Even with the restrictor spray head, trying a finer grind and brewing 50 grams with 25 oz water, the coffee is strong but lifeless. Again my old Mr Coffee with the same ratio gives a full bodied, robust satisfying cup.

So I'm down to the Bonavita and now I have found the Bunn HG Phase.

Does anyone have both and could comment. We like Starbucks House Blend as our daily brew; what I consider a darker medium roast. I drink mine black and my wife does add 1/2 and 1/2.

I had the Phase Brew. The unit has high failure rates (circuitry involved). Mine also failed. I returned it 2 days after purchase and bought the Technivorm Moccamaster KBT 741, only 1 of 4 SCAA certified drip brewers. I am very pleased with its performance. If you are looking for a comparison between the Bonavita and the Phase, get the Bonavita. It is also one of only 4 SCAA certified drip brewers. I am sure that you will find that most if not all Bonavita owners on CG will recommend it over the Phase Brew.

Len

"Coffee leads men to trifle away their time, scald their chops, and spend their money, all for a little base, black, thick, nasty, bitter, stinking nauseous puddle water." ~The Women's Petition Against Coffee, 1674

Hey SteelGTR.... as I've read stated here on this forum, it's what you like in your cup that's important for you.

I second what Len posted..... Bonavita or Technivorm. I like my Bonavita but tempted to get a TV (doesn't hurt having an extra brewer on hand)---I like the ones that have the control on the brew basket, feel that's a plus.

Hey SteelGTR.... as I've read stated here on this forum, it's what you like in your cup that's important for you.

I second what Len posted..... Bonavita or Technivorm. I like my Bonavita but tempted to get a TV (doesn't hurt having an extra brewer on hand)---I like the ones that have the control on the brew basket, feel that's a plus.

I know and I don't feel that this is a snobby forum, it's just folks passionate about their coffee which my wife and I are!

The TV has the brew control? What is that?

Again, I think our problem is not brewing full pots which the more I read seems to be a big deal on a lot of machines. Maybe our Mr. Coffe works for us because of the longer saturation time for a small 25 oz pot?

Maybe I should start a separate thread asking for advice for a a small 4-6 cup machine?

You really can't go wrong with the Bonavita. It's slightly more expensive than the Bunn but a much better brewer. I'd get the thermal carafe version as well instead of the glass. Amazon usually sells both a steep discount if you head over to their Warehouse Deals page.

SteelGTR.... on some Technivorms there is a way to control the drip from the filter/brew basket---you can close it, open half way or all the way. This gives control especially for partial pots when you need a slower drip for better extraction. Look on their web site, you can get a close look of that part of the filter basket.

Daniel437 is right on the Bonavita---get the thermal if you buy one. I love the glass-lined thermos---all I've ever used.

SteelGTR.... on some Technivorms there is a way to control the drip from the filter/brew basket---you can close it, open half way or all the way. This gives control especially for partial pots when you need a slower drip for better extraction. Look on their web site, you can get a close look of that part of the filter basket.

Daniel437 is right on the Bonavita---get the thermal if you buy one. I love the glass-lined thermos---all I've ever used.

Yes, a thermal carafe works like a thermos bottle. I preheat my thermal carafe with hot tap water before filling the water tank and grinding beans.

Brewing into a thermal carafe is a great/convenient way for best results. OR IF your brewer has a glass carafe you need to decant fresh brew into a thermal carafe immediately when brewing is complete. Before getting a Bonavita thermal model, my former brewers had glass carafes SO I poured the fresh brew into a glass-lined thermal carafe. Glass-lined has always been my personal preference but many people are very happy with their stainless-lined Technivorm thermal models.

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