tkono wrote:so she says or implies BD is the franchise player.. So what is JRich, table scraps?

It doesn't surprise me. I'm pretty sure that around 70% of the people considers Baron the franchise player.

At least this is a good time for him to have surgery. If he rests for 2 weeks and then spends 4 days getting back to game shape he only misses 7 games. That won't absolutely crush us. No way we can make the playoffs though. The only way i see it being possible is if Andris can average 35 minutes per game. When he is in the game, the warriors can hang, but he gets in foul trouble all the time. If he stays out of foul trouble, the warriors stay in contention.

Golden State Warriors guard Baron Davis underwent successful arthroscopic surgery on his left knee today, it was announced by Executive Vice President of Basketball Operations Chris Mullin. The surgery was performed by Dr. Stephen Lombardo at the HealthSouth Kerlan-Jobe Surgery Center in Los Angeles.
The 6’3” Davis, has averaged 20.7 points (24th in NBA) and 8.7 assists (5th in NBA) in 43 games this season, The Warriors Point Guard Will Begin Rehabilitation Immediately.

Golden State Warriors guard Baron Davis underwent successful arthroscopic surgery on his left knee today, it was announced by Executive Vice President of Basketball Operations Chris Mullin. The surgery was performed by Dr. Stephen Lombardo at the HealthSouth Kerlan-Jobe Surgery Center in Los Angeles. The 6’3” Davis, has averaged 20.7 points (24th in NBA) and 8.7 assists (5th in NBA) in 43 games this season, The Warriors Point Guard Will Begin Rehabilitation Immediately.

Has the Warriors or Baron stated what was mechanically wrong with the knee (ligament tear, cartilage, scar tissue, etc.)?

so she says or implies BD is the franchise player.. So what is JRich, table scraps?

So your saying JRich is the franchise player and BD is table scraps??

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you couldn't be more wrong. its just that she seems to leave Jrich totally out of the picture. Jrich was the franchise before BD came here and to an extent i think he still is since Baron hasn't played a full season with us yet.. Baron is a talent in himself and all, but i really don't get the feeling (yet) that he will be the franchise. Would you want to spend franchise money on him right now? (hmm.. actually, are we spending franchise money on him?)

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tomstead wrote:While it also seems to me that the offensive flow is better without Davis I read in a recent article that the Warriors winning percentage without him is only 33%.

offensive flow doesn't equate to made shots or a better offense...it just means the ball moves more...but so what?

so what if the ball 'moves' better without baron. that means more touches for those that aren't capable scorers.

basketball, from an offensive standpoint, is not an equal opportunity team sport...your best offensive weapons should have or be given the ball the most. it's about knowing your role and not trying to do things you're not capable of.

and since we have no one that can create consistently off the dribble other than BD (monta sometimes), the ball needs to be in his hands.

aletha33 wrote:offensive flow doesn't equate to made shots or a better offense...it just means the ball moves more...but so what?

so what if the ball 'moves' better without baron. that means more touches for those that aren't capable scorers.

basketball, from an offensive standpoint, is not an equal opportunity team sport...your best offensive weapons should have or be given the ball the most. it's about knowing your role and not trying to do things you're not capable of.

and since we have no one that can create consistently off the dribble other than BD (monta sometimes), the ball needs to be in his hands.

it's no wonder why without him they only win 33%.

Good post Aletha! I like to see ball movement, but when push comes to shove, I want to see the ball in my scorers hands. Whether it be Baron, Monta or sometimes Al, I want those guys with the ball more times than not.

As I have said in other threads, the Warriors just need to learn what the definition of a good shot and bad shot are. They take some wild shots all too often and no player, other than maybe Biedrins and Foyle, is afraid to jack up any shot at any time in the game.

It seems like when a player gets the ball he always has a one track mind and that is to shoot. I am all for getting others involved, but not to the extent where in Monday night's game Monta gets very few shots in the 3rd quarter or how Biedrins gets no touches.

Nellie needs to teach this team when it is right and wrong to take shots. If he is the offensive guru he claims he is, he needs to teach these guys the principles of good decision making and shot selection in the very near future. I do not need to continue to seeing Stephen Jackson and Al Harrington shoot a combined 7 for 33 on a given night. That is getting old in a hurry.

tomstead wrote:While it also seems to me that the offensive flow is better without Davis I read in a recent article that the Warriors winning percentage without him is only 33%.

offensive flow doesn't equate to made shots or a better offense...it just means the ball moves more...but so what?

so what if the ball 'moves' better without baron. that means more touches for those that aren't capable scorers.

basketball, from an offensive standpoint, is not an equal opportunity team sport...your best offensive weapons should have or be given the ball the most. it's about knowing your role and not trying to do things you're not capable of.

and since we have no one that can create consistently off the dribble other than BD (monta sometimes), the ball needs to be in his hands.

it's no wonder why without him they only win 33%.

Your theory doesn't work when the guy pounding the ball has the worst shooting percentage on the team. Not to mention the two guys he passes it to the most, have the 2nd and 3rd worse shooting percentages on the team (Al and SJax).

I wonder what the winning percentage is without him for just this year?

tomstead wrote:While it also seems to me that the offensive flow is better without Davis I read in a recent article that the Warriors winning percentage without him is only 33%.

offensive flow doesn't equate to made shots or a better offense...it just means the ball moves more...but so what?

so what if the ball 'moves' better without baron. that means more touches for those that aren't capable scorers.

basketball, from an offensive standpoint, is not an equal opportunity team sport...your best offensive weapons should have or be given the ball the most. it's about knowing your role and not trying to do things you're not capable of.

and since we have no one that can create consistently off the dribble other than BD (monta sometimes), the ball needs to be in his hands.

it's no wonder why without him they only win 33%.

Your theory doesn't work when the guy pounding the ball has the worst shooting percentage on the team. Not to mention the two guys he passes it to the most, have the 2nd and 3rd worse shooting percentages on the team (Al and SJax).

I wonder what the winning percentage is without him for just this year?

sorry jsw, i'd have to disagree with you entirely. our theory is THE only theory that fits in with the warriors (and with Nellie's system).

again, who do you imagine will be taking the shots? more importantly, HOW do you think these shot will be created?

shooting percentage is low? ya, true as it may be, do you think anyone else will be able to shoot a higher percentage????? HEEEELL NO.

so jsw, what sort of offense do you propose? and don't give me generalities like 'more ball movement' and 'more player movement' ...gimme specifics.