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Originally posted by grimgryphon

Oh look, GW2 is in the lead on MMORPG.com for GOTY.

Let me put on my big surprise face. *groan*

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But seriously, what's with all the hate? It's a solid game. The only game that comes close to it this year imho is The Secret World... but then again, it's just my opinoin. You know, everyone's got one and apparently, a lot of people are of the opinion that GW2 is MMORPG of the year.

Why do I write, create, fantasize, dream and daydream about other worlds? Because I hate what humanity does with this one.

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Did the creators of this strange Pirate game offer some kind of reward if they win anything or are all the people just troll-voting? Also this vote has nothing to do with sincerity. It's like "my game's the best, Ill just vote for it in every category". How "exciting". Random idea: Let's just rate the games based on their player score and then have them rank this way. Saves time.

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This is a popularity contest, I am seeing some peopole groan about one game not deserving something or vice versa: just remeber: the best here is not the best game, it's the most well-known game. For example Firefall has only 9.5% of votes in the innovation section, which might seem ridiculous, but it's simply because Guild Wars 2, Pirate or Secret World and other MMOs in that section and known better and Firefall is still in closed beta.

Same reason why LoL is winning in the "best hybrid" section, ES: Online in anticipation and so on.

It's a contest that shows game's marketing, not quality, so stop saying "Why is X winning and Y is not?". A true measure of game's quality is in what percentage of it's players are not disappointed in it and have not abandened it. I played Guild Wars 2 for 14 hours. Then got bored stiff. Same with Planetside 2, not even a very good outfit helped. That is a true measure for a game, not these contests.

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Originally posted by DarkholmeI guess I donb't understand the "Hybrid" category... what does it mean by "hybrid"?

Its simple. They needed a catagory to put LOL in somewhere. People seem to forget MMORPG is a busness and by adding LOL into one of thier awards they are going to get a virtual shitton of traffic to the site from LOL players comming here to vote. Even if they never come to the website again they will make HUGE bank over it. I dont blame them mind you. Its a cash grab but they are in it to make money like anyone else. But thats what the catagory is, something to be able to add an extreemly popular game. I'm suprised they didnt add SC2 to it.

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Originally posted by megakoresh

This is a popularity contest, I am seeing some peopole groan about one game not deserving something or vice versa: just remeber: the best here is not the best game, it's the most well-known game. For example Firefall has only 9.5% of votes in the innovation section, which might seem ridiculous, but it's simply because Guild Wars 2, Pirate or Secret World and other MMOs in that section and known better and Firefall is still in closed beta.

Same reason why LoL is winning in the "best hybrid" section, ES: Online in anticipation and so on.

It's a contest that shows game's marketing, not quality, so stop saying "Why is X winning and Y is not?". A true measure of game's quality is in what percentage of it's players are not disappointed in it and have not abandened it. I played Guild Wars 2 for 14 hours. Then got bored stiff. Same with Planetside 2, not even a very good outfit helped. That is a true measure for a game, not these contests.

Cant very well vote for games that you cant play. Gw2 is the obvious winner and people are voting for it because it deserves it, whether you like it or not. Pirate101 is getting votes from their fans, not from objective critics.

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Originally posted by megakoresh

This is a popularity contest, I am seeing some peopole groan about one game not deserving something or vice versa: just remeber: the best here is not the best game, it's the most well-known game. For example Firefall has only 9.5% of votes in the innovation section, which might seem ridiculous, but it's simply because Guild Wars 2, Pirate or Secret World and other MMOs in that section and known better and Firefall is still in closed beta.

Same reason why LoL is winning in the "best hybrid" section, ES: Online in anticipation and so on.

It's a contest that shows game's marketing, not quality, so stop saying "Why is X winning and Y is not?". A true measure of game's quality is in what percentage of it's players are not disappointed in it and have not abandened it. I played Guild Wars 2 for 14 hours. Then got bored stiff. Same with Planetside 2, not even a very good outfit helped. That is a true measure for a game, not these contests.

Your opinion - everyone has one. It doesn't mean that people who voted for the top games are wrong just because it is opposite of yours.

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Sadly the choices in some of the categories are lacking this year. It felt like choosing between "meh" and "ok". Star Citizen was however clear cut, can't wait to see what they do with the game.

What games would you have liked to see that we didn't have in there?

Since you included WoW's Pandaria, why not put in EVE Online? It had great expansion this year and its still arguably the best MMORPG

I agree EVE Online : Retribution should be on this list for Game of the year !! It is a shame to not include this game and I only hope that its not vindictive bitterness that it always ranks high in the Year end Awards as to why it is not an option this year !

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Originally posted by mCalvert

Cant very well vote for games that you cant play. Gw2 is the obvious winner and people are voting for it because it deserves it, whether you like it or not. Pirate101 is getting votes from their fans, not from objective critics.

You realise, all of your sentences contradict each other, right?

First you repeat myself, then you say that GW2 "deserves" the place (which implies that is the most innovative MMO of 2012) and you say that Pirate101 is, in fact, getting votes unobjectively from their fans, which implies GW2 is objectively the most innovative and is not winning because it has the biggest playerbase, which contradicts your first sentence!

That post gave me a headache. The truth is mathematically simple:

People vote for games they played (either because they liked it, of because they are trying to justify their purchase)

The more people play said game the more votes the game will get

There is no way even 5% of the voters have played all games in the categories, which makes words such as "objective" and "deserves" completely unapplicable.

Whatever game wins at whatever category is because of it's publicity and NOT it's quality in that category.

Those are facts. What games you enjoy is personal preference. Between Firefall and GW2 the most innovative is definitely Firefall. Does that mean Firefall is better? No. Does that mean Guild Wars 2 is better? No. What you enoy is yours to determine, we must simply not allow false judgement to happen on the basis of these popularity contests.

Bottom line: play the game to judge it, these polls mean nothing to the end user.

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Originally posted by megakoresh

Originally posted by mCalvert

Cant very well vote for games that you cant play. Gw2 is the obvious winner and people are voting for it because it deserves it, whether you like it or not. Pirate101 is getting votes from their fans, not from objective critics.

You realise, all of your sentences contradict each other, right?

First you repeat myself, then you say that GW2 "deserves" the place (which implies that is the most innovative MMO of 2012) and you say that Pirate101 is, in fact, getting votes unobjectively from their fans, which implies GW2 is objectively the most innovative and is not winning because it has the biggest playerbase, which contradicts your first sentence!

That post gave me a headache. The truth is mathematically simple:

People vote for games they played (either because they liked it, of because they are trying to justify their purchase)

The more people play said game the more votes the game will get

There is no way even 5% of the voters have played all games in the categories, which makes words such as "objective" and "deserves" completely unapplicable.

Whatever game wins at whatever category is because of it's publicity and NOT it's quality in that category.

Those are facts. What games you enjoy is personal preference. Between Firefall and GW2 the most innovative is definitely Firefall. Does that mean Firefall is better? No. Does that mean Guild Wars 2 is better? No. What you enoy is yours to determine, we must simply not allow false judgement to happen on the basis of these popularity contests.

Bottom line: play the game to judge it, these polls mean nothing to the end user.

I was referring to Firefall for games you cant play, and GW2 for game of the year. Firefall is in beta, therefore most people cant judge whether its innovative. Just get over it. GW2 deserves the win, and its mounting trophy case is proving that everyone recognizes it.