Rain Partier

habitual wrote:I couldn't even get through an episode of Spectacular Spidey it was so crappy.

How was last weeks episode of YJ? Oh that's right, DC has so fucked up the distribution of that show we won't get it until nearly next year.

And it's good, not great, short bus.

And the point which you're still trying to ignore is that when Image does something it turns out to be pretty good more often than not. DC and Marvel crank out as much crap as they do good stuff. Roger Corman's FF anyone?

Hab

i didn't ignore anything, but perhaps you did:

chap22 wrote:

Wanted was horrendous. but then so was the source material, so...Spawn the movie was horrendous. WildCATS was horrendous.Witchblade was horrendous.Bulletproof Monk was horrendous.

the batting average ain't stellar there either.

trust me, Image (or whoever does it regarding Image properties) cranks out as much crap as they do good stuff too. the batting average ain't that great, regardless of your claims otherwise.

Rain Partier

habitual wrote:I couldn't even get through an episode of Spectacular Spidey it was so crappy.

How was last weeks episode of YJ? Oh that's right, DC has so fucked up the distribution of that show we won't get it until nearly next year.

And it's good, not great, short bus.

And the point which you're still trying to ignore is that when Image does something it turns out to be pretty good more often than not. DC and Marvel crank out as much crap as they do good stuff. Roger Corman's FF anyone?

Hab

i didn't ignore anything, but perhaps you did:

chap22 wrote:

Wanted was horrendous. but then so was the source material, so...Spawn the movie was horrendous. WildCATS was horrendous.Witchblade was horrendous.Bulletproof Monk was horrendous.

the batting average ain't stellar there either.

trust me, Image (or whoever does it regarding Image properties) cranks out as much crap as they do good stuff too. the batting average ain't that great, regardless of your claims otherwise.

Rain Partier

No, I never said it was higher or lower than Marvel or DC. I said basically that of the Image properties released so far, as many have been crap as have been good, in contrast to your claims that their success rate is SO high. And I then listed examples.

No, I never said it was higher or lower than Marvel or DC. I said basically that of the Image properties released so far, as many have been crap as have been good, in contrast to your claims that their success rate is SO high. And I then listed examples.

Rain Partier

Punchy wrote:Walking Dead isn't that good IMO, the pilot was amazing, but after that...

It gets good ratings, but so did Smallville, which lasted 10 seasons.

You can't compare the two. At all.

Smallville, as a network show, should've been getting far more viewers than it did. The only thing that saves it is CW's lower ratings bar. But it lost viewers literally every year it was on. The final two seasons were under 3 million viewers per episode.

The Walking Dead so far has not only had to fight against being a cable show... on a network nobody watches, even. But it has increase ratings every season. The premiere this year had 10 million-some viewers.

This is on a network where it's other critically acclaimed shows are in the 2-4 million range.

Rain Partier

Punchy wrote:Walking Dead isn't that good IMO, the pilot was amazing, but after that...

It gets good ratings, but so did Smallville, which lasted 10 seasons.

You can't compare the two. At all.

Smallville, as a network show, should've been getting far more viewers than it did. The only thing that saves it is CW's lower ratings bar. But it lost viewers literally every year it was on. The final two seasons were under 3 million viewers per episode.

The Walking Dead so far has not only had to fight against being a cable show... on a network nobody watches, even. But it has increase ratings every season. The premiere this year had 10 million-some viewers.

This is on a network where it's other critically acclaimed shows are in the 2-4 million range.

Silly French Man

chap22 wrote:No, I never said it was higher or lower than Marvel or DC. I said basically that of the Image properties released so far, as many have been crap as have been good, in contrast to your claims that their success rate is SO high. And I then listed examples.

I know, I've been trying to drive that point home, you're just thick

Anyway my original point is that for a much smaller company which isn't a piece of some huge conglomerate the overall quality of their output is at a higher standard.

Silly French Man

chap22 wrote:No, I never said it was higher or lower than Marvel or DC. I said basically that of the Image properties released so far, as many have been crap as have been good, in contrast to your claims that their success rate is SO high. And I then listed examples.

I know, I've been trying to drive that point home, you're just thick

Anyway my original point is that for a much smaller company which isn't a piece of some huge conglomerate the overall quality of their output is at a higher standard.

Staff Writer

habitual wrote:Actually that's not the case, I pointed out earlier that whatever it is they do, even if it's nothing has a higher success rate than other companies, which WAS the original point that I brought up.

Hab

But they have nothing to do with the success, Image and Marvel are not responsible for Wanted or Kick-Ass becoming movies, Mark Millar is.

Staff Writer

habitual wrote:Actually that's not the case, I pointed out earlier that whatever it is they do, even if it's nothing has a higher success rate than other companies, which WAS the original point that I brought up.

Hab

But they have nothing to do with the success, Image and Marvel are not responsible for Wanted or Kick-Ass becoming movies, Mark Millar is.

Rain Partier

I think Image is the pinnacle publisher is when it comes to creator own publishers, and no disrespect to IDW and BOOM!. I feel that Image has a business model that allows both creators and them benifit if a book is a success at the published side, where as the creator him/herself would do what is necessary to take their book to other media outlets.

Look at Chew, a successful book from Image that the company can hang their hat on along with Walking Dead, but look at what John Layman has done to move the book beyond, Toys, a TV series coming to Showtime that is all him. Image just gave him the outlet to put his book to the comic reading public because they have the resources to help guide him in the right direction, also keep in mind that more that 90% of the a books marketing comes from the creator than the publisher in creator own comics.

Rain Partier

I think Image is the pinnacle publisher is when it comes to creator own publishers, and no disrespect to IDW and BOOM!. I feel that Image has a business model that allows both creators and them benifit if a book is a success at the published side, where as the creator him/herself would do what is necessary to take their book to other media outlets.

Look at Chew, a successful book from Image that the company can hang their hat on along with Walking Dead, but look at what John Layman has done to move the book beyond, Toys, a TV series coming to Showtime that is all him. Image just gave him the outlet to put his book to the comic reading public because they have the resources to help guide him in the right direction, also keep in mind that more that 90% of the a books marketing comes from the creator than the publisher in creator own comics.

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