I actually read a response by Hany Rambod in the latest Muscular Devolopment Magazine, and he suggests that Carbs and Bcaas are more important than protien Post Workout... I dont know if it was just marketing for his Evo line, (which consists of Carbs/Gylco/Bcaa Products) but none the less, I would love to get a definite answer to this debate.

BCAAs are protein. And like protein, they can spike both MPS and insulin just fine and don't need additional carbohydrates. The first half of the biphasic postworkout insulin peak (and the only half you should be concerned about, if any) is carbohydrate-independent anyway.

BCAAs are protein. And like protein, they can spike both MPS and insulin just fine and don't need additional carbohydrates. The first half of the biphasic postworkout insulin peak (and the only half you should be concerned about, if any) is carbohydrate-independent anyway.

^^This..

Just get a real meal in and don't stress the minor details. Most likely that will have you covered unless you are training at an elite level/training for sport(in general..).

yeah, this for sure.....some Leucine (or 8:1:1 BCAA) immediately PWO, then half hour to 45 minutes later some whey isolate. I like to split them up as opposed to taking them all at once.

I do it this way too sometimes since I have kilos on hand but I'll drink the 8:1:1 BCAA's (modern BCAA) immediately after my last set and have my shake 15min later on my drive home. A whole meal after that, once I get hunger pangs. Been getting great results during my cut using this method.

BCAAs are protein. And like protein, they can spike both MPS and insulin just fine and don't need additional carbohydrates. The first half of the biphasic postworkout insulin peak (and the only half you should be concerned about, if any) is carbohydrate-independent anyway.

Carbs and aminos are best pre w/o versus post, I side with these studies (i know there are studies that disagree)

I prefer just protein if I'm on a diet, other wise, dark matter, then protien.

And branched chain aminos aren't protien, they are amino acids, which protien is made up of. I know you know, just don't want to get people confused.

I do it this way too sometimes since I have kilos on hand but I'll drink the 8:1:1 BCAA's (modern BCAA) immediately after my last set and have my shake 15min later on my drive home. A whole meal after that, once I get hunger pangs. Been getting great results during my cut using this method.

same exact protocol here, that's weird we do the same shyt sometimes it takes me a while to get hunger pangs though, but they come eventually...just maybe not as soon as I prefer....as you say though, it seems to work well for dropping BF....

The study unfortunately suffers from the same methodological flaws as its predecessors, namely only two groups of subjects; thus, the BCAA treatment was compared to nothing rather than something more relevant like protein. In fact, as per the conclusions of the authors (looking as abstract only), elevated protein synthesis was responsible for the enhanced recovery, something which protein has obviously been demonstrated to do as well.

I will not write off leucine as a potentially valuable supplement because it very well may be if used properly, but to date there is still no research comparing BCAA to protein, whole foods or otherwise. The Scivation/Stoppani study was supposed to be the first of its kind, but it was never published.

The study unfortunately suffers from the same methodological flaws as its predecessors, namely only two groups of subjects; thus, the BCAA treatment was compared to nothing rather than something more relevant like protein. In fact, as per the conclusions of the authors (looking as abstract only), elevated protein synthesis was responsible for the enhanced recovery, something which protein has obviously been demonstrated to do as well.

I will not write off leucine as a potentially valuable supplement because it very well may be if used properly, but to date there is still no research comparing BCAA to protein, whole foods or otherwise. The Scivation/Stoppani study was supposed to be the first of its kind, but it was never published.

I use BCAA's, but I often question the necessity as I'm getting tons of them from whey protein and my high protein (chicken, steak, fish) diet.

The study unfortunately suffers from the same methodological flaws as its predecessors, namely only two groups of subjects; thus, the BCAA treatment was compared to nothing rather than something more relevant like protein. In fact, as per the conclusions of the authors (looking as abstract only), elevated protein synthesis was responsible for the enhanced recovery, something which protein has obviously been demonstrated to do as well.

I will not write off leucine as a potentially valuable supplement because it very well may be if used properly, but to date there is still no research comparing BCAA to protein, whole foods or otherwise. The Scivation/Stoppani study was supposed to be the first of its kind, but it was never published.

Based on their discussion alone it seems their end goal was not to compare it with protein (ex whey), but rather to determine some differences from previous BCAA research.

Originally Posted by Geoforce

I use BCAA's, but I often question the necessity as I'm getting tons of them from whey protein and my high protein (chicken, steak, fish) diet.

They still let the people eat...just didn't have dietary controls in place.

They still let the people eat...just didn't have dietary controls in place.

Yes, but to the best of my knowledge no one has compared scientifically protein from different sources vs. BCAA. For instance my post-workout Whey is obviously chock full of BCAA'S, as is the steak I just ate. Of course this topic has been discussed ad nauseam, but part of the reason for that discussion is a really strong scientific answer doesn't exist.