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Although IAAL, anything I say here is not legal advice. No conversations we may have privately or otherwise in this forum constitute the formation of an attorney-client relationship, and are not intended to do so.

I had to share this NY Times article on second thoughts about arming local police in paramilitary style.

I'm glad to see some attention, finally, to this. It's maddening that these reporters act like they're the first people ever to consider the topic, since people like Radley Balko have been covering this for a decade or more.

Although IAAL, anything I say here is not legal advice. No conversations we may have privately or otherwise in this forum constitute the formation of an attorney-client relationship, and are not intended to do so.

Do not conflate SWAT and their mistakes with cops and there protective gear. If I think I need a AR then the cop gets one too.

I was waiting to post something like this today but you beat me to it. I'd buy you beer if I could.

I heard on fox a guy taking about this very issue. Basically heres the deal, and I'll use Fergeson as an example:

1) they don't even have military gear. Those are NOT tanks nor even military surplus vehicles. Oc spray, body armor, ar15s, non lethal shotguns (the pretty colored ones) are all non military gear. Its called propaganda. Yea they are wearing army clothing and carrying rifles..... Wwwooooo scary.

2) the issue is WHEN and HOW SWAT is deployed. The shouldn't be out smushing protestors. They should be saving hostages or serving actual high threat warrants (like ax murderer crap).

Some of these same tools are used against gun owners. "Wow scary black military rifles" or "wow carrying a pistol is way too extreme and scary". Etc. Etc.

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"The wicked flee when no man persueth: but the righteous are as bold as a lion" Proverbs 28:1

Cops should be able to own what ever they want as their personal weapons.

They should be heavily restricted to what they can use in their so called "service".

I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
"Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

I had to share this NY Times article on second thoughts about arming local police in paramilitary style.

+1 By the way for the thread. I do to see hope in the rise of knowledge and unification of the anti militarization of the police and people getting wise to the rising police state.

I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
"Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

+1 By the way for the thread. I do to see hope in the rise of knowledge and unification of the anti militarization of the police and people getting wise to the rising police state.

Sorry it's not going to happen. In the history of the world, barring the French Revolution, it's never happened that people in power give up or are made to give up their power unless they are all killed first. It will only get worse because as the opinion goes against this more and more they will realize a need to really shut people up.

It's sad, and I hope I live a long time, but I hope in that time, I don't live to see the world of "Minority Report".

Sorry it's not going to happen. In the history of the world, barring the French Revolution, it's never happened that people in power give up or are made to give up their power unless they are all killed first. It will only get worse because as the opinion goes against this more and more they will realize a need to really shut people up.

It's sad, and I hope I live a long time, but I hope in that time, I don't live to see the world of "Minority Report".

Sad to say your generally correct. They just won't parade it around. Or they will paint it different colors to make it pleasantly pleasing.

Sorry it's not going to happen. In the history of the world, barring the French Revolution, it's never happened that people in power give up or are made to give up their power unless they are all killed first. It will only get worse because as the opinion goes against this more and more they will realize a need to really shut people up.

It's sad, and I hope I live a long time, but I hope in that time, I don't live to see the world of "Minority Report".

I'm not quite defeatist yet. You may be right but lets hang on to those glimmer of hopes we get, push liberty and educate people about their rights and to be anti statist.

Minority report, you are already there. Proactive policing, cops getting dogs because they suspect you, spending hrs on a man hunt for suspicion of "obstruction" and no other charge. You stand up against the state, you exercise your rights they assume you have something to hide.

I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
"Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

Aurora's Constitution Suspension Event and the Boston Constitution Suspension Event are examples of "group think." A drone reports 'X' and all the other drones will act solely on that single report. It matters not that the drone could be wrong, or right, the report is made and action must follow. Rightness or wrongness of the report is a secondary consideration.

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

"Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.

It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare