There's zero proof that being gay is any morally different from straight. So why articles like this? - Atheist Nexus2016-12-10T03:49:21Zhttp://atheistnexus.org/forum/topics/there-s-zero-proof-that-being-gay-is-any-morally-different-from?feed=yes&xn_auth=noEvangelicals don't have to wo…tag:atheistnexus.org,2012-09-13:2182797:Comment:20519192012-09-13T06:39:10.647ZJonathan Changhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/JonathanChang
<p>Evangelicals don't have to worry about someone peeking in, someone is always watching.</p>
<p>Evangelicals don't have to worry about someone peeking in, someone is always watching.</p> True. It confuses me though.…tag:atheistnexus.org,2012-09-13:2182797:Comment:20517562012-09-13T04:13:20.424ZDaniel Wachenheimhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/Daniel57
<p>True. It confuses me though. Maybe this means men should be honest with men (not lie with them, but be truthful with them) but it's OK for men to be dishonest with women? Paul WAS a notable misogynist. As I recall, he also said women should shut up in church. Also something not true for modern christians. Back to the verse, shouldn't it be Lay, not lie, when we mean get into a horizontal position? Oh what a tangled web we weave, when the bible we believe.</p>
<p>True. It confuses me though. Maybe this means men should be honest with men (not lie with them, but be truthful with them) but it's OK for men to be dishonest with women? Paul WAS a notable misogynist. As I recall, he also said women should shut up in church. Also something not true for modern christians. Back to the verse, shouldn't it be Lay, not lie, when we mean get into a horizontal position? Oh what a tangled web we weave, when the bible we believe.</p> Why don't evangelicals have s…tag:atheistnexus.org,2012-09-12:2182797:Comment:20516252012-09-12T20:13:56.981ZPathttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/Pat46
<p>Why don't evangelicals have sex while standing up? Because if someone peeked in, they might think they were dancing.</p>
<p>Why don't evangelicals have sex while standing up? Because if someone peeked in, they might think they were dancing.</p> :)
From the Rev. Jim Huber's…tag:atheistnexus.org,2012-09-12:2182797:Comment:20516232012-09-12T20:04:53.870ZGrinning Cathttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/GrinningCat
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<p>From the Rev. Jim Huber's "<a href="http://www.jhuger.com/biblethumpers" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Questions for Bible-Thumpers</a>":</p>
<blockquote><p>If AIDS is God's punishment for sex, why is a little piece of rubber so effective at preventing it? Are all sins absolved when committed in conjunction with rubber, or just those related to sex? Can I, for example, worship graven images so long as they're made out of rubber?</p>
<p>In forty years do you expect your…</p>
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<p>From the Rev. Jim Huber's "<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.jhuger.com/biblethumpers" target="_blank">Questions for Bible-Thumpers</a>":</p>
<blockquote><p>If AIDS is God's punishment for sex, why is a little piece of rubber so effective at preventing it? Are all sins absolved when committed in conjunction with rubber, or just those related to sex? Can I, for example, worship graven images so long as they're made out of rubber?</p>
<p>In forty years do you expect your discrimination against gays be more or less embarrassing to your grandchildren than your grandparents' discrimination against blacks is to you? You may, of course, skip this question as irrelevant if you're a racist too.</p>
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<p>Of course the whole idea of "sin" (as opposed to actual consequences of actions) is <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.atheistnexus.org/video/sin-is-arbitrary-morality" target="_blank">artificial</a>. As Dan Barker points out: it's like cutting you with a knife, then offering you a bandage.</p> Just how does anyone lie with…tag:atheistnexus.org,2012-09-12:2182797:Comment:20514402012-09-12T17:20:10.422ZGrinning Cathttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/GrinningCat
<blockquote><p>Just how does anyone lie with "mankind"? ... no one would have sex with all of them.</p>
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<p>The Leviticus proscription is often translated "Do not lie with a man as with womankind", but the actual Hebrew is singular for both, more like "as with a woman". It could be translated more literally, "With <em>a male</em> do not lie-with the lyings-with of <em>a woman</em>; it is an abomination."</p>
<p>The best interpretation I've heard is "Don't compare a male partner to…</p>
<blockquote><p>Just how does anyone lie with "mankind"? ... no one would have sex with all of them.</p>
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<p>The Leviticus proscription is often translated "Do not lie with a man as with womankind", but the actual Hebrew is singular for both, more like "as with a woman". It could be translated more literally, "With <em>a male</em> do not lie-with the lyings-with of <em>a woman</em>; it is an abomination."</p>
<p>The best interpretation I've heard is "Don't compare a male partner to a woman; appreciate him for who he is!"</p> Not at all. 1 Corinthians say…tag:atheistnexus.org,2012-09-12:2182797:Comment:20513372012-09-12T15:59:14.906ZJonathan Changhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/JonathanChang
Not at all. 1 Corinthians says it is better to stay celibate than to marry, but it is better to marry than to fornicate with a bunch of women. The Bible wouldn't be that hard to understand if people just read it like a chapter from any other book -- from the beginning. Romans 1:16-27:<br />
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16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first,and also to the Greek.<br />
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17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed…
Not at all. 1 Corinthians says it is better to stay celibate than to marry, but it is better to marry than to fornicate with a bunch of women. The Bible wouldn't be that hard to understand if people just read it like a chapter from any other book -- from the beginning. Romans 1:16-27:<br />
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16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first,and also to the Greek.<br />
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17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written,The just shall live by faith.<br />
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18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men,who hold the truth in unrighteousness;<br />
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19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.<br />
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20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen,being understood by the things that are made,even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:<br />
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21 Because that,when they knew God,they glorified him not as God,neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations,and their foolish heart was darkened.<br />
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22 Professing themselves to be wise,they became fools,<br />
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23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man,and to birds,and fourfooted beasts,and creeping things.<br />
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24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts,to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:<br />
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25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie,and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator,who is blessed for ever. Amen.<br />
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26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:<br />
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27 And likewise also the men,leaving the natural use of the woman,burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly,and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.<br />
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Paul was talking about either the Greeks or Romans, and about prostitution and pederasty. It didn't say God turned them into gays, it says they turned away from God and onto each other. This passage from 1 Corinthia…tag:atheistnexus.org,2012-09-12:2182797:Comment:20509872012-09-12T09:25:38.900ZBeth KZhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/BethKulacz
<p>This passage from 1 Corinthians seems to say that a marriage without sex is not a marriage.</p>
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<p>This isn't the passage I was talking about. What I was talking about was from Romans, chapter 1:</p>
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<tbody><tr><td><b><a name="25"></a>1:25</b> Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and <span class="sci">served the creature more than the Creator</span>, who is blessed for ever. Amen.</td>
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<p>This passage from 1 Corinthians seems to say that a marriage without sex is not a marriage.</p>
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<p>This isn't the passage I was talking about. What I was talking about was from Romans, chapter 1:</p>
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<tbody><tr><td><b><a name="25"></a>1:25</b> Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and <span class="sci">served the creature more than the Creator</span>, who is blessed for ever. Amen.</td>
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<tr><td><b><a name="26"></a>1:26</b> <strong>For this cause</strong> <span class="h"><strong>God gave them up unto vile affections</strong>: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature</span>:</td>
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<tr><td><b><a name="27"></a>1:27</b> <strong>And likewise</strong> <span class="h"><strong>also the men,</strong> leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another</span>; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.</td>
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<p><b><br/></b>Taken from <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com" target="_blank">Skeptics annotated bible</a></p>
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<p>It is clear that "for this cause" God turned them and their women gay.</p>
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<p><a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com" target="_blank">http://skepticsannotatedbible.com</a></p> Thanks!
I noticed the portray…tag:atheistnexus.org,2012-09-12:2182797:Comment:20511572012-09-12T06:38:35.259ZGrinning Cathttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/GrinningCat
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>I noticed the portrayal of religion as a "lifestyle choice" in the lower left.</p>
<p>It's a useful point (even if not completely accurate, considering religion as a mind virus): one's religion (or lack thereof) is still much more changeable than one's innate sexuality! After all, many of us on A/N came from a background of some theistic religion or another.</p>
<p>(As Ruth Anthony-Gardner points out, hopefully we identify in an…</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>I noticed the portrayal of religion as a "lifestyle choice" in the lower left.</p>
<p>It's a useful point (even if not completely accurate, considering religion as a mind virus): one's religion (or lack thereof) is still much more changeable than one's innate sexuality! After all, many of us on A/N came from a background of some theistic religion or another.</p>
<p>(As Ruth Anthony-Gardner points out, hopefully we identify in an <a href="http://www.atheistnexus.org/group/apostate/forum/topics/first-steps-rejecting-personification-to-seeing-viruses" target="_blank">independent, positive way</a>, in terms such as freethinker, secular humanist, change agent. Terms such as "apostate" still <a href="http://www.atheistnexus.org/profiles/blogs/poo-fools-us-all" target="_blank">perpetuate</a> the religious framework which should be getting less, not more, of our time and brainspace.)</p> Great chart, Grinning Cat!tag:atheistnexus.org,2012-09-12:2182797:Comment:20509452012-09-12T04:52:40.127ZRuth Anthony-Gardnerhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/RuthAnthonyGardner
<p>Great chart, Grinning Cat!</p>
<p>Great chart, Grinning Cat!</p> Is standing up lying from the…tag:atheistnexus.org,2012-09-12:2182797:Comment:20510282012-09-12T03:45:22.371ZJonathan Changhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/JonathanChang
<p>Is standing up lying from the perspective of the sun?</p>
<p>Is standing up lying from the perspective of the sun?</p>