Whether or not the horse should be racing is not the same issue as to what race the horse was entered in.

True. They are two separate issues. It's possible that the horse was fit and just had a freak bleeding incident or something. So I will give the trainer the benefit of the doubt that MAYBE the horse should have been given the chance to race. I'm not in the barn, so I don't know.

What I do know is that when I look at the PP's, I can't see one single reason to enter the horse in an allowance race...unless it was at Beulah.

True. They are two separate issues. It's possible that the horse was fit and just had a freak bleeding incident or something. So I will give the trainer the benefit of the doubt that MAYBE the horse should have been given the chance to race. I'm not in the barn, so I don't know.

What I do know is that when I look at the PP's, I can't see one single reason to enter the horse in an allowance race...unless it was at Beulah.

The first horse I owned was an Ill bred that was trounced for a low- level tag and his first race back from an injury and lengthy layoff we put him into his allowance condition. Ill breds bounce around between low- level caliming races and allowance races. Do you know if the office asked for some help with the race in question?

The first horse I owned was an Ill bred that was trounced for a low- level tag and his first race back from an injury and lengthy layoff we put him into his allowance condition. Ill breds bounce around between low- level caliming races and allowance races. Do you know if the office asked for some help with the race in question?

Given the field size I would guess they did. But I'm not sure what relevance that has. I doubt they called Chris Ryan and asked for this specific horse.

NYRA, We just have a disagreement here. No harm, no foul. If we were just talking about one o the factors I mentioned I would be more inclined to agree with you. When you take them all together I just don't see how someone can place that horse in that race in good conscience. What we can agree on is that it likely had nothing to do with his death.

It has been my experience that when you have a small barn and are asked to help,it's a good idea to help out.Even if that were not the case in this instance,there is nothing unusual about the placement of this horse. Ambitious maybe but when you have an Ill bred "with conditions" many opt to take a shot at the purse.

it was a terrible spot for the horse, but he seemed to be sound. I'm guessing it was a heart attack or aneurysm, but thats pure speculation. It happens in this sport, I'm just glad he didn't suffer. He also had an apprentice up, he was so far back Im curious if a veteran jock what have pulled him up.

it was a terrible spot for the horse, but he seemed to be sound. I'm guessing it was a heart attack or aneurysm, but thats pure speculation. It happens in this sport, I'm just glad he didn't suffer. He also had an apprentice up, he was so far back Im curious if a veteran jock what have pulled him up.

Chris Ryan takes excellent care of her horses. You and your opinions need to go to school and get an education. She may have been hustled to go in that spot or the horse might have been in need of a race.NO ONE is cavalier about a horse dropping dead. You think an 8 yr old is ancient.??Catch up on the facts, look things up.

I'm assuming you're talking to me. It would help if you would quote the person you're talking to. I never said any thing about how she cares for her horses and I don't believe anyone else on here did either.

You and your opinions need to go to school and get an education.

It appears you are the one who needs to go back to school and learn how to read for comprehension.

She may have been hustled to go in that spot or the horse might have been in need of a race.

The horse may have "needed a race?" What...and she was afraid to drop him in for a tag because she would lose him? Give me a break. They write NW3L races every day at Hawthorne. Also I said that given the horse had been off for 2+ years, it seems like a questionable place to put the horse.

NO ONE is cavalier about a horse dropping dead.

No one suggested they were. I also said multiple times that where the horse was placed most likely had nothing to do with its death.

You think an 8 yr old is ancient.??

I did not say that because the horse was 8 years old it shouldn't be running. I used the horse's age to give perspective to just how lightly accomplished this horse was, when someone else suggested the horse had a "decent career". Two wins for a three year old is good. Two wins for an 8 year old is not. No???

Catch up on the facts, look things up.

Regarding "facts", the only facts that are available are the ones that I and others laid out about the horse's past performances. Anything beyond that is pure speculation.

Why hasn't anyone talked about the owner? Susan Barrett ? Iron Vow was "retired" two years ago. He was owned by Barrett Racing Stable then which was composed of many investors. The horse ran in her name this time but there were many blank faces walking towards the site of the collapse on Sat; did she resell partnerships and bring him out of retirement ? Maybe that would explain the placement.

Why hasn't anyone talked about the owner? Susan Barrett ? Iron Vow was "retired" two years ago. He was owned by Barrett Racing Stable then which was composed of many investors. The horse ran in her name this time but there were many blank faces walking towards the site of the collapse on Sat; did she resell partnerships and bring him out of retirement ? Maybe that would explain the placement.

The blank faces walking around were Iron Vow's old investors who came to the track to watch him race. Nobody was out to try and make a quick buck. It was giving a healthy, sound horse one more chance. He had a massive heart attack. Its a judgement call where to place a horse, it wasn't done out of greed.

The blank faces walking around were Iron Vow's old investors who came to the track to watch him race. Nobody was out to try and make a quick buck. It was giving a healthy, sound horse one more chance. He had a massive heart attack. Its a judgement call where to place a horse, it wasn't done out of greed.

I don't think anyone had bad intentions with this horse. And I believe that this most likely would have happened no matter what kind of race he was in. But if the highlighted part is really true, why not put him in a spot where he actually had a chance? A quick look at the condition book offered the following: