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Great Spirit has heard me say this before, but his paranoiac mind won't let him actually synthesize this information, and he's apparently not very long on memory. I'll say it again, though, because it helps put his degree of crazy distortion into perspective.

The spread eagle is a classic, often-seen motif in art. It's not a symbol of fascist nations. It's a symbol that's been shown widely in prehistoric cave paintings. In ancient Chinese and Egyptian art. In Greek and Roman art and sculpture. In pre-Columbian native American art. In classical European art and architecture. And, not coincidentally, in modern images chosen for countries and currency and political leaders, both good and bad. It's not used because of its fascist symbolism, for that only makes sense to people who have no understanding of visual art or history, but because it is a classical, familiar motif. It ranks right up there in frequency of use with other motifs like columns on buildings, nudes in paintings and sculpture, dancers, dogs, or landscapes. And it's certainly equally sinister (NOT!) as those other motifs, too.

Get a clue, GS. And get some education. I'm saving this link so that when you trot out your spread-eagle-fascism spin again in another four or five months, we'll have this on file. Your brand of crazy has failed again.

For someone who's had college, and I'm not at all sure I believe your claim, you're still not very smart.

It's a symbol of all sorts of nations, you wacko. And all sorts of other things as well. Fascists didn't choose it because it signifies fascism. But because it's a classic motif. You need to go back to school. And also get some therapy while you're at it.

For someone who's had college, and I'm not at all sure I believe your claim, you're still not very smart.

It's a symbol of all sorts of nations, you wacko. And all sorts of other things as well. Fascists didn't choose it because it signifies fascism. But because it's a classic motif. You need to go back to school. And also get some therapy while you're at it.

I see there is no recourse. I pray that you'll find the truth.

Put yourself back 500 years. If you said the world was round, you would not only be branded as a "wacko", but you would be branded as a heretic and burned at the stake!

Yea...who's the "wacko" now??

Oh believe me...I'm much smarter then you think I am.

p.s....DO YOU MIND TELLING US WHY TWO ROMAN FASCES SYMBOLS ARE HANGING ON THE WALL OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES??

This is how I know you're a wacko. Because your logic is insane. If you pray that I'll eventually see the truth, you need to pray even harder that you yourself do. You're the one who distorts reality.

If you were all that smart, you'd know that there were people, even 500 years ago, who theorized that the planet was round. People were burned as heretics for lots of other things than their theories of world topography/shape, chiefly their religious beliefs. If you weren't so absurd, you'd use another example to try and illustrate your own opposition to the mainstream. You've used that one repeatedly, and I can only gather it's because it's the only comparison you know.

Well, let's see. You'll say that images of Roman fasces in our capitol are because they're fascist and will base that on the fact that that image was chosen for use by Italian fascists and because the word "fascist" itself has the same root word. But if you were able to step back and look at the image itself and learn some art history--as you need to do with the spread eagle, too--you'll see that the fasces symbol of power and jurisdiction is far older than Italian fascism and that that image, like the spread eagle, has been used over and over again by various civilizations in architectures throughout history, not all of them fascist. Ask any art or architecture historian to confirm this for you and he will. Only conspiracists believe there's anything inherently sinister in that image. You conspiracists believe there's sinister meaning in classic visual motifs because your paranoiac minds desperately need to attach dangerous meaning where there actually is none. Just like you do here.

When my cousin was huffing chemicals and had his nervous breakdown he was seeing 'symbols' in everything. He baracaded himself in the house and was babbling about teaching the crows to carry food to feed Africa. I remember he was looking at the rings on the end of a ceramic fireplace log. There was something of a distorted cross in the middle of the rings and he was making associations to the Free Masons, who controled the people who manufactured the log.

There's something to mental disorders and trying to put symbols and associations to things. Like Rain Man insisting on 3 fishsticks and trying to figure out Who's on First. I think there's a little bit of it in all of us and that's why we use symbols. But when the mind short circuits, it desparately tries to restore its own functioning by grasping at symbols to weave back into something concrete maybe? Just theorizing because I really don't know, but it's something I've been watching and thinking about a lot.

This is how I know you're a wacko. Because your logic is insane. If you pray that I'll eventually see the truth, you need to pray even harder that you yourself do. You're the one who distorts reality.

If you were all that smart, you'd know that there were people, even 500 years ago, who theorized that the planet was round. People were burned as heretics for lots of other things than their theories of world topography/shape, chiefly their religious beliefs. If you weren't so absurd, you'd use another example to try and illustrate your own opposition to the mainstream. You've used that one repeatedly, and I can only gather it's because it's the only comparison you know.

Well, let's see. You'll say that images of Roman fasces in our capitol are because they're fascist and will base that on the fact that that image was chosen for use by Italian fascists and because the word "fascist" itself has the same root word. But if you were able to step back and look at the image itself and learn some art history--as you need to do with the spread eagle, too--you'll see that the fasces symbol of power and jurisdiction is far older than Italian fascism and that that image, like the spread eagle, has been used over and over again by various civilizations in architectures throughout history, not all of them fascist. Ask any art or architecture historian to confirm this for you and he will. Only conspiracists believe there's anything inherently sinister in that image. You conspiracists believe there's sinister meaning in classic visual motifs because your paranoiac minds desperately need to attach dangerous meaning where there actually is none. Just like you do here.

i mean jesus hilter just stole a whole bunch of shit from other cultures and people

i mean honestly the eagle has been the symbol of america well over a hundred years before hitler

i no it makes people sad to think but
IN 2 YEARS BUSH WILL NO LONGER BE IN OFFICE
HE IS NOT SOME SUPER GENIUS
HE WILL NOT TAKE OVER THE WORLD
HE IS JUST RETARTED

for fucks sake please get over these fucking ideas
they are not revolutionary or even intellegent

Originally Posted by graph

It's hard to convince us that weed's the problem when all of us here know it's not. At one time I think we all used to be like you, we believed the government at face value and accepted the fact that because it's illegal, it must be immoral, too. Then we all grew up a little bit and realized our own experiences should shape the path of our lives, not what someone else tells us to think

Lets look at the UN symbol, its Blue and White (Colours of Israel) and the centre of its map point is some fantasy Nazi idea of the origin of Aryans too.

How fucked up is that? LMAO

Well then, the sky is falling for sure

GS: Seriously - let's say you are right, Bush is going to welcome Armaggeddon (let's say he's an End Timer and he's taking the Bible literally) there will be weaponization of/in space and aliens will be blamed next (once those damned terrorists are all out of the way) to keep mankind enslaved in fear forever in some global orgasm of Neo-con political militairy industrial black-ops uber power doublethink takeover? You know, because Jesus says it's OK...

Pfft! Not while I'm thinking this sharply! They won't pull the wool (or tinfoil for that matter) over my eyes!!

Yah I agree with Birdgirl, and everyone else who thinks your fucked in the head. The eagle is just a symbol, its a powerful looking figure, and people recognize it and like it.... wow, like why would a government use a symbol that people like! you totally opened my eyes to fascism, and there amazing interconnections because of that eagle!, GS.....

unless your just doing this to piss us all off, cuz your an idiot, that seems likely too.

Ahhh, the eagle, the great symbol of freedom, U.S.A., the fourth riech? I don't really care how EDUCATED you say you are, if you don't have your eyes open you will never see. As I recall from biblical passages, the tree of knowledge is what has been screwing things up from the begining.Seems to me that the most industrialized country always becomes the aggressor. History will repeat itself as it always does and there is'nt a damn thing anyone can do about it, the filthy rich make sure of it. When electricity starts failing, and it will, then you can all squirm,because it's all you'll have left to do.Then you will know what terror is, your all hooked and there is no cure. A real terrorist would not blow up a worlds largest siding job. I realize GS is a bit paranoid, but I don't think he is alone, and for good reason, but always remember,no fear!

its all to do with ancient heraldry. sovreign countries with kings would most often use a lion as their bestial emmblem , wheras empires use the eagle and that stems from roman times. both hitler and napoleon did try to re-create the ancient roman ways [white power etc] and the word fascism is taken from the roman fascia, which was an axe wrapped in a bunch of logs that symolised romes might and was carried into battle.

I think it's very interesting that the United States chose an eagle to represent the executive branch of the government. The eagle was used in our government "before" facist Italy and Germany had formed, so I think implying that we are similar to them is backwards really. They might have chosen an eagle to match the United States, since we were known as a world power by then... I agree that the eagle is a poor choice for an executive figure, since it represents power and not modesty or freedom. I'm not sure what would replace it though, if not an eagle, what? What about the the use of the eagle on top of the American flagpole? But since we do represent the largest democratic body of people in the world, maybe the use of an eagle is an appropriate twist of the true origin of the eagle. But since our executive branch is acting on it's own agenda now days, maybe the eagle subconciousely affects those who use it as their symbol, and it's really the symbol of the eagle itself that makes countries and governments facist!!!!