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I just received the results from a stool sample. The yeast/fungi overgrowth (taxonomy unavailable - may indicate ingested mold - that is what it reads) is at a level 4+ (the highest, which indicates 100000 pg DNA/g specimen.) I also have parasites, protozoa, high gluten intolerance (7.1,) low Elastase, high Triglycerides, low SCFA's, etc...

The ND has given me instructions to follow the anti-candida diet and take his anti-parasitic tincture and digestive enzyme,) along with a pancreatic enzyme and ox bile to digest fats/proteins (I had my gallbladder out seven years ago due to a congenital deformity in the ducts leading to and from it and also developed acute pancreatitis after the procedure. As the surgeon put it, "[I] have one of those bodies that does not like to be messed with.") Plus, I will continue the Quercetin Plus for my allergies (I changed from his because his has corn, which he did not know of until I pointed it out.)

He also said that he does not want me to eat dairy or gluten. I am confused about this and resistant to the "no dairy" because I am under the impression that dairy is beneficial for me, being a Nomad. We had discussed following the Explorer protocol until my gut health is restored.

It sounds like you need to do a lot of gut fixing. I've been there, so know how it feels. It is good that you are watching the ingredients for good and bad. Once you get the gut under control, the real healing can begin.

If you want me to tell you to go against the practitioner's recommendations, I can't do that... It may be that dairy is beneficial for you, but is not allowing your body to eliminate certain "bugs" and heal right now. Why don't you follow the practitioner's advice for now. You paid for it, so why not take advantage of it and see where it goes.

You can change course, if needed, after you see it doesn't work (as long as you give it a fair test).

If he didn't know about the corn i would wonder what else he does not know, TBO. is he a blood type fan, if not why not go see Dr D or a practitioner that he recommends if closer.

and what's with enzymes? does anyone know what Dr D thinks about them in general, be interested to know as I'm not convinced there are up to the job - but if Dr D rates them I'll stand corrected.

how long have you been on the blood type diet. the allergies seem to disappear when i have people start the BTD.

of course the big question is what you consider compliant diary to be, perhaps just include beneficial and avoid neutrals for a period of time?

And the quantity of wheat /gluten that is allowed. wouldn't do any harm to reduce dairy and wheat for a while. are B's allowed wheat?? I thought just spelt.

do you have swami - if not i would get it.

How much sugar and fruit do you eat By the way?

He was visibly upset about the corn - he said that he ensures that all of the supplements are corn-free. It is possible that I some of them were derived from other things - their names were on the corn-derived list though. He is looking into it and will let me know.

I am in Northern California, so a wee bit far away from Dr. D. My ND is a supporter of the BTD, GTD, and SWAMI - he does SWAMI in the office. I did my own at home because it was the same price and figured I'd do it at home and save myself the office visit cost, since insurance doesn't cover nathuropathic treatment.

I have done SWAMi and 61% Nomad is what resulted. I measured and had a friend measure afterward - JUST to make sure I was not being biased. Because there are not a lot of folks with type B (perhaps) that see him, he is probably more aware with O and A genotypes (seems to me to be because his protocol is heavily based on O and A.)

Because I have a high level of gluten sensitivity, I need to avoid it (it is celiac disease level, meaning it can and may have already caused it - I am not cutting into my intestines to find out - they are already "sick" and I do not want to create scar tissue or any type of dysplasia that can cause malignancies in the future.)

I use honey and probably use about four tablespoons per day (maybe more) in green tea. I try to keep the fruit to two servings per day and while I have been eating dried fruit, such as raisins and figs, I know I should stick to the fresh stuff. I drink red wine daily (or beer.)

Melissa

PS: Thinking about buying the GTD book so I can check out the Explorer diet - I gave my book to a guest at the hotel I am a director at because she was telling me about her degenerative disorder and how she has struggled - I really wanted to help her. That was the second book I gave away. )

One thing you should ask your ND about is testing for mercury. As I understand it, an overgrowth of candida is often times associated with mercury toxicity. If you treat for the candida, you may release the mercury into your system where it can cause more harm.

Do a search on the forum for candida and mercury. You will find a lot of good information there. You probably are not toxic in mercury, but it is a good idea to rule it out.

Dairy - plain yoghurt, cheese (not processed and compliant,) butter, ghee, whole milk - this is what I consider dairy. forgive my possibly old notes but i though butter and whole milk were neutrals and again that would depend on the source.

Because I have a high level of gluten sensitivity, I need to avoid it (it is celiac disease level, meaning it can and may have already caused it - I am not cutting into my intestines to find out - they are already "sick" and I do not want to create scar tissue or any type of dysplasia that can cause malignancies in the future.)

I agree totally

I use honey and probably use about four tablespoons per day (maybe more) in green tea. FOUR TABLES spoons - there is your problem right there unless a typo! honey is 70 % fructose, more danger there than you supplements

I try to keep the fruit to two servings per day and while I have been eating dried fruit, such as raisins and figs, I know I should stick to the fresh stuff. I drink red wine daily (or beer.)

give the dried fruit a miss - more fodmaps, until you gut healed - also stip the beer (gluten sugar -fodmaps bloating) as for red wine - not sure about B's but i would avoid completely until you gut is healed and you have no allergy reactions.

I just received the results from a stool sample. The yeast/fungi overgrowth (taxonomy unavailable - may indicate ingested mold - that is what it reads) is at a level 4+ (the highest, which indicates 100000 pg DNA/g specimen.) I also have parasites, protozoa, high gluten intolerance (7.1,) low Elastase, high Triglycerides, low SCFA's, etc...

The ND has given me instructions to follow the anti-candida diet and take his anti-parasitic tincture and digestive enzyme,) along with a pancreatic enzyme and ox bile to digest fats/proteins (I had my gallbladder out seven years ago due to a congenital deformity in the ducts leading to and from it and also developed acute pancreatitis after the procedure. As the surgeon put it, "[I] have one of those bodies that does not like to be messed with.") Plus, I will continue the Quercetin Plus for my allergies (I changed from his because his has corn, which he did not know of until I pointed it out.)

He also said that he does not want me to eat dairy or gluten. I am confused about this and resistant to the "no dairy" because I am under the impression that dairy is beneficial for me, being a Nomad. We had discussed following the Explorer protocol until my gut health is restored.

Please help!

Thanks,

Melissa

No dairy for a Nomad? Yikes. That's bad advice.

Follow the yeast protocol instead of buying his expensive supplements.

Increase your consumption of coconut oil and have some full-fat yogurt everyday.

That yeast must be happy with the 1/4 C or more of honey that it is being fed everyday! Along with dried fruits, you're consuming a lot of concentrated sugars.

I'm also gluten intolerant and was advised by my MD to avoid dairy as well. Evidently the 2 intolerances frequently go together. I used to really be plagued by intestinal yeast overgrowth as well.

I have avoided all gluten for the past 2 years, which was a totally great change for me! As far as dairy, I was able to just eliminate all cow dairy (except for ghee), switching to homemade goat yogurt (made with Polyflora B) and Manchego as my only cheese. My SWAMI does not allow for very much dairy at all, but I eat the maximum amount allowed and thrive on it.

I had to completely eliminate added sweeteners from my diet. That includes honey and maple syrup. I occasionally add 1 tsp of blackstrap molasses, drizzled on the top of a rice cake with almond butter, for example. But that is an occasion rather than a daily event.

Dried fruits also fell by the wayside, as real candida feeders in my case. I only eat diamond fruits now.

ARA 6 is part of my daily supplement regime.

Normal day, let me be aware of the treasure you are.Let me not pass you by in quest of some rare and perfect tomorrow.~Mary Jean Irion

Lots of good advice. My Doctor is pretty convinced that dairy in general can be pro inflammatory and has no problem telling people with gut problems to just not do it for a while. Dairy, wheat, and corn (which means corn syrup and everywhere else it is in processed foods). fThe only dairy I'm eating right now is a little bit of butter every day. Which is allowed on my swami, but I do less even at that. But cheeses stop me up and I'm just better off with out them, I think. That's not to say there isn't some wisdom and having some. I guess it has byturic acid which helps kill yeast. But then again, it seems like it might just not help at times.

And yeah, honey to that degree is excessive, if fighting yeast. I eat a tiny bit, read less than 1/2 a teaspoon with my grain every day. I can't even really taste it, but I'm not convinced that it's all bad. It supposedly can help digest your grains, and there are good things in honey. But any sugars are going to ramp yeast up. Including real sugary fruits. I avoided most sugary fruits for a period of time when yeast was at it's worst. Just ate lemons, limes, cranberries, grapefruit and sometimes fresh berries. Dried fruit is much more sugary than most fresh. Especially raisins.

Having said all that, I don't agree with every anti candida diet. And I don't think Dr. D does either. Some of them have you eating just beans and veggies. And I think there is controversy as to whether beans might not feed yeast also. Many beans are high in starch, which is sugar. I don't really get that line of thinking. Some diets will tell you to lay off all red meats or meat in general. Or just eat chicken. Which for sure is not going to be good for you. I think your swami is probably good to go, but you may want to tweak it, forgo the dairy or lessen it a bunch for now, maybe lessen the amount of sugary fruits and focus on some less sugary fruits and go from there. And of course no wheat. I wouldn't tell you to stop eating grains altogether. But, they do have a tenancy to feed yeast, because they're sugar too. But your body needs energy to fight stuff too. So, a balance of what will work is the best. More than likely if you follow the protocol lola listed, and use a little common sense, it will help and work. And it's a process. It doesn't have to happen overnight.

But one thing is for sure, alcohol will feed that stuff quicker than any of it. IMHO. Well, besides a lot of sugar. But alcohol is just fermented sugar. And they'll have a hey day with it. From what I understand. Good luck and God bless!!!!

The poster formerly known as "ABNOWAY"

"Finally brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things." - Phillipians 4:8

Melissa,I am in Redwood City. May I ask who the ND is? I am impressed that he ran a swami for you. I would like to see a BTD friendly ND in our area for my issues. I think so far the advice above is all pretty spot on.

Lots of good advice. My Doctor is pretty convinced that dairy in general can be pro inflammatory and has no problem telling people with gut problems to just not do it for a while. Dairy, wheat, and corn (which means corn syrup and everywhere else it is in processed foods). fThe only dairy I'm eating right now is a little bit of butter every day. Which is allowed on my swami, but I do less even at that. But cheeses stop me up and I'm just better off with out them, I think. That's not to say there isn't some wisdom and having some. I guess it has byturic acid which helps kill yeast. But then again, it seems like it might just not help at times.

And yeah, honey to that degree is excessive, if fighting yeast. I eat a tiny bit, read less than 1/2 a teaspoon with my grain every day. I can't even really taste it, but I'm not convinced that it's all bad. It supposedly can help digest your grains, and there are good things in honey. But any sugars are going to ramp yeast up. Including real sugary fruits. I avoided most sugary fruits for a period of time when yeast was at it's worst. Just ate lemons, limes, cranberries, grapefruit and sometimes fresh berries. Dried fruit is much more sugary than most fresh. Especially raisins.

Having said all that, I don't agree with every anti candida diet. And I don't think Dr. D does either. Some of them have you eating just beans and veggies. And I think there is controversy as to whether beans might not feed yeast also. Many beans are high in starch, which is sugar. I don't really get that line of thinking. Some diets will tell you to lay off all red meats or meat in general. Or just eat chicken. Which for sure is not going to be good for you. I think your swami is probably good to go, but you may want to tweak it, forgo the dairy or lessen it a bunch for now, maybe lessen the amount of sugary fruits and focus on some less sugary fruits and go from there. And of course no wheat. I wouldn't tell you to stop eating grains altogether. But, they do have a tenancy to feed yeast, because they're sugar too. But your body needs energy to fight stuff too. So, a balance of what will work is the best. More than likely if you follow the protocol lola listed, and use a little common sense, it will help and work. And it's a process. It doesn't have to happen overnight.

But one thing is for sure, alcohol will feed that stuff quicker than any of it. IMHO. Well, besides a lot of sugar. But alcohol is just fermented sugar. And they'll have a hey day with it. From what I understand. Good luck and God bless!!!!

Thank you very much JJR!

I know I need to do all that...I guess I just needed to read it enough. The more I think about it, I shouldn't wait until January 1st to start the anti-candida diet and take the tincture for the parasites. I was worried about being tempted while away for Christmas - more so about the wine or spirits - I have a lot of friends who drink there and family as well. And, I've got to tell you, it relaxes me. However, if it is causing me harm, which obviously it is, I need to let it go.

The anti-candida diet states that I should not drink tea...I would think green tea is okay because of its antioxidants and natural enzymes...or does this disrupt the flora?

Green Tea is excellent. I don't know if waiting is a bad idea. That's only for you to decide. Are you in danger right now? It would be hard to change things if you're traveling over the holidays. You can maybe curb it a little. Whatever. My concern is that if you go after it real hard, you may get die off, you may feel real lousy, and it may not be a very good time to upset that applecart if you're traveling. So, that's my take on that. And the holidays is a hard time to stay away from sweets if you're not already doing that.

But that's up to you. I'm not sure what the situation is exactly with your health, how dire it is etc. Only you can decide that. I would definitely take your doctors advice though. It's just a matter of when. Anyways, I've said enough or too much. But you'll figure it out. I just don't want you to stress about it, because that doesn't help either.

The poster formerly known as "ABNOWAY"

"Finally brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things." - Phillipians 4:8

Green Tea is excellent. I don't know if waiting is a bad idea. That's only for you to decide. Are you in danger right now? It would be hard to change things if you're traveling over the holidays. You can maybe curb it a little. Whatever. My concern is that if you go after it real hard, you may get die off, you may feel real lousy, and it may not be a very good time to upset that applecart if you're traveling. So, that's my take on that. And the holidays is a hard time to stay away from sweets if you're not already doing that.

But that's up to you. I'm not sure what the situation is exactly with your health, how dire it is etc. Only you can decide that. I would definitely take your doctors advice though. It's just a matter of when. Anyways, I've said enough or too much. But you'll figure it out. I just don't want you to stress about it, because that doesn't help either.

I appreciate that input. It is very "stressful" to think about. Not that I follow what the herd does, I just know that I have been away from my family for quite some time. It has been three years since I went back to Buffalo, NY to see them and be with them.

I know there will be wine, champagne, and beer. And some inevitable stuff I "shouldn't" eat. I will make a concerted effort to avoid gluten because I know just how bad it is for me, judging by my sensitivity level and my practically unreadable fingerprints due to all the white lines.

The main things I think the yeast/fungi overgrowth (which could be from cheese I consumed the day before or whatever...just sayin'...) are allergies (environmental,) not being able to lose considerable amount of weight (I am not overfat, really,) and perhaps some energy. I do not get sick much (haven't had a cold or flu in over two years) and have been able to get by with the Quercetin Plus and Polyflora B.

I will start the pancreatic enzymes and the ox bile, as well as use Deflect while I am in Buffalo (in addition to the Quercetin Plus.) It seems crazy, but the only thing I am worried that I will consume is the wine or beer... nothing else. I like honey, but I can go without. NOT that I am addicted, because I have left the wine and beer (only Pilsner, which is made from hops and does not have gluten,) it is just a ritual for me and a "habit" I need to break for a while.

Melissa,I am in Redwood City. May I ask who the ND is? I am impressed that he ran a swami for you. I would like to see a BTD friendly ND in our area for my issues. I think so far the advice above is all pretty spot on.

Hi there PAULA!

Absolutely! He is really fabulous (I sometimes take a while to warm up to people - I didn't always think this for my own weirdo reasons.) His practice is called Naturopathic Wisdom and he is Dr. David Hogg, ND. He is at:

His office assistant's name is Erika (she rocks.) They perform the practitioner version of SWAMI (I did my own at home, but the "clinical" version gets even more specific, and he ensures all of this supplements are allergen free (when I brought to his attention that some of the ones he gave me contained corn, he contacted the supplier to ensure that this was not so - and Erika called me the next day to tell me there was no corn and EXACTLY where the methylcellulose was from in the Ox Bile - I am still waiting for the other two.) He does not carry NAP products, but is open to them...he is considering carrying them, but his are good. He makes all his own tinctures as well. He gave me one for asthma and my wheezing went away without my rescue inhaler. His prices are reasonable and he has discounts for package purchases (yearly versus by appointment, etc.) He performs hydrotherapy in-office, massage, etc. He works with your PCP so if you have insurance, it will cover blood tests (I just email my doctor what he orders, if the lab does it.)

When you call, tell them Melissa Rojek sent you. If you want more information and/or to have a "buddy" in town, please feel free to email me at melissarojek@gmail.com.

Lots of good advice. My Doctor is pretty convinced that dairy in general can be pro inflammatory and has no problem telling people with gut problems to just not do it for a while.

It is because of what the cows eat - IF you can consume dairy, in my opinion. I spoke about this with my ND and deduced that it was because the majority of the dairy widely produced in the US is corn-fed (which is a no-no - cows don't naturally munch on GMO corn feed.) So I get it.

I have never been a big milk person - I do not like how it tastes - yuck! I do like it in espresso and over oatmeal or something else. I remember as a child my mother fed my sister and I buttermilk on occasion because we seemed to like that better...but she was not a proponent of drinking cow's milk. My father, on the other hand, drank 1/2 gallon of whole milk everyday for about thirty years.

I can live with just kefir or yoghurt for a while. I will be okay. The cheese, I've got to tell you, I will miss a little bit. I have a huge block of Manchego in the fridge, a nice, raw goat's milk aged cheese in the cupboard, and some dutch Gouda. I will also miss mayonnaise, but I can make this homemade and then it will not be bad (the yeast diet says no to mayo...but homemade mayo is just eggs and oil and some salt.)

I will survive. Once i get back on track, I can enjoy it all within reason.

I got the exact same yeast/fungus results back.....what does it mean exactilly...I know it means we do not have candida but can our symptoms be the same as if we had candida....I have all the candida symptoms and thought for sure the test would come back positive for candida but instead it came back yeast/fungus positive toxicology unknown just like yours...... did your ND say what that meant my ND gave me no insight, said she really did not know what that meant...Oh Ok great thanks...lol

would we treat it the same way they would treat candida? do you have any symptoms? mine are terrible bloating after every meal, stomache gas, ibs like symptoms, muscle aches, joint pain, cant lose the water weight......how about you...it is nice to see someone else with the same results....

Yes Lola - I do have it at "compute Genotype" every time....I swear! I have changed every variable just to "see" if it budges - NOTHING. I remain a Nomad each and every time. I change the maladies, the measurements, etc, sometimes, just to see - and Nomad reigns. It's pretty funny.