Trump ignores national security advisors written briefing... DO NOT CONGRATULATE PUTIN

I forgive you, we all have our days. I wasn't about to take it to personally.
And as you said, I also thinks he takes advice from people. Just because he didn't take this advice doesn't mean he's completely irrational. After
all, if he was that irrational he would just fire his advisors altogether. I just don't see a reason to deliberately provoke Putin.

I remember when I was serving in West Germany how folks like KGB officers were a concern, and our nation's enemy. Funny how one got elected again to
run russia, and all the so called conservatives are now not so critical of the former KGB.

What happened - did the former KGB guy change, or did the conservatives in the US change?

I know this will bring up some automatic responses from both sides, but really consider the question.

Please don't side track this by attacks against me as being a leftist. Look up at what I wrote - I was the one serving. Not wrapping myself in the
flag, just tired of knee jerk anger and emotional responses to discredit a post made in good faith. Or is that expecting too much, ATS?

OK. You add the Saudis. Trump made it clear there would be no more 'democratizing'/nation building by the U.S.. That the ME nations would have to
clean their own house of radicals. The Saudis have done that more than any ME nation that I know of. (The Saudis are at odds with Iran as well).
Nothing stays the same, I suppose.

The overview you pose is far from a given, from what I can see.

Rather than the concern you obviously feel, let it play out a bit further. I'm slightly more optimistic than you on that score. An unknowable future
tends to draw out worst case scenarios. I never felt we would survive the cold war and somehow we did....

Hm. Let's see. In December of 2011, Obama's Secretary of State- in other words HRC- said:

After Russia’s Dec. 2011 parlaimentary elections, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton called them "neither free nor fair." When Russian protesters
took to the streets to protest those elections and Putin’s return to the presidency, Putin publicly accused Clinton of inciting the protests.

Despite this, what did Obama do four months later after Putin's election?

originally posted by: loam
Hm. Let's see. In December of 2011, Obama's Secretary of State- in other words HRC- said:

After Russia’s Dec. 2011 parlaimentary elections, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton called them "neither free nor fair." When Russian protesters
took to the streets to protest those elections and Putin’s return to the presidency, Putin publicly accused Clinton of inciting the protests.

Despite this, what did Obama do four months later after Putin's election?

a reply to: sine.nomine
I don’t think he takes advice very often. But maybe he has a complete dislike for the “deep state” and wont take the advice they give him. And I
won’t fault him for that. I do think his congrats of Putin didn’t help his case. He just gave the left more CO2 to use. Why would someone do that?

originally posted by: loam
Hm. Let's see. In December of 2011, Obama's Secretary of State- in other words HRC- said:

After Russia’s Dec. 2011 parlaimentary elections, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton called them "neither free nor fair." When Russian protesters
took to the streets to protest those elections and Putin’s return to the presidency, Putin publicly accused Clinton of inciting the protests.

Despite this, what did Obama do four months later after Putin's election?

originally posted by: Allaroundyou
a reply to: sine.nomine
I don’t think he takes advice very often. But maybe he has a complete dislike for the “deep state” and wont take the advice they give him. And I
won’t fault him for that. I do think his congrats of Putin didn’t help his case. He just gave the left more CO2 to use. Why would someone do
that?

I honestly think they would've criticized him either way. It is possible he's doing what he believes is best for the country, and not just playing
partisan politics of some kind with this. It seems pretty standard for US presidents to call and congratulate Putin after he "wins" his
"elections".

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