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Conversations host Harry Kreisler welcomes Anatole Lieven of the New America Foundation and John Hulsman of the German Council on Foreign Relations for a discussion of their new book, Ethical Realism. They analyze the foreign policy debate in Washington, compare American leadership of Truman and Eisenhower with the leadership of Bush and Cheney, and drawing on the American tradition defined by George Kennan, Hans Morgenthau, and Reinhold Niebuhr, argue for a new foreign policy that combines ethics with realism. (#12087)