I don't need telepathy to know that most people don't know shit about tech and could care less about them. If that was the case, why isn't everyone a PC gamer? Why do people say stupid things like making a gaming PC is difficult or very expensive? Also, again, releasing specs will not be beneficial, regardless of how good or bad they can be. The average consumer doesn't give a flying fuck about them. Nintendo didn't release GameCube specs or specs for any console for that matter, I guess all of their consoles had bad specs then, if we go by your logic.

Then please show me the consumer studies that you have read that show the reasoning behind people's purchases. I'm sorry that I'm asking for evidence when you make a claim - if you aren't aware of the scientific method then please, read up on it because it's clear that you literally don't know how to debate a point correctly.

Blast processing emphasizes the fact that the processor (WHICH IS ACTUAL HARDWARE) is fast. A much faster processor than the SNES. Whether or not you knew anything about processors, the ad emphasized that the megadrive's processor was better than the SNES's processor, that was a fact.

Blast processing emphasizes the fact that the processor (WHICH IS ACTUAL HARDWARE) is fast. A much faster processor than the SNES. Whether or not you knew anything about processors, the ad emphasized that the megadrive's processor was better than the SNES's processor, that was a fact.

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Blast processing is not hardware. It's just a marketing term so you have proven that back then you couldn't market specs - you had to market bs terms instead.

Then please show me the consumer studies that you have read that show the reasoning behind people's purchases. I'm sorry that I'm asking for evidence when you make a claim - if you aren't aware of the scientific method then please, read up on it because it's clear that you literally don't know how to debate a point correctly.

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How about you PROVE that MOST or even a MAJORITY of consumers brought consoles for specs only? I've already explained how the PS, PS2, Wii, 360, etc. sold more than more powerful consoles.

Then please show me the consumer studies that you have read that show the reasoning behind people's purchases. I'm sorry that I'm asking for evidence when you make a claim - if you aren't aware of the scientific method then please, read up on it because it's clear that you literally don't know how to debate a point correctly.

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How about you PROVE that MOST or even a MAJORITY of consumers brought consoles for specs only? I've already explained how the PS, PS2, Wii, 360, etc. sold more than more powerful consoles.

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That's never been my argument though, has it?
I've been saying that if the specs were good, it would not hurt sales, and indeed could help sales, if they were released. Not to release them however could hurt sales as the next-box could be released next year or if the specs put it on par with the existing consoles.

That's never been my argument though, has it?
I've been saying that if the specs were good, it would not hurt sales, and indeed could help sales, if they were released. Not to release them however could hurt sales as the next-box could be released next year or if the specs put it on par with the existing consoles.

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Yeah it kind of has been your argument
No point in doing so. Nintendo has never revealed specs. Also, not releasing them wouldn't hurt sales as your average consumer doesn't look up the specs of the console they buy. They just look at the games and decide if it's the console for them. By your logic, the N64, SNES, and GameCube were also weak because Nintendo didn't reveal specs.

Blast processing emphasizes the fact that the processor (WHICH IS ACTUAL HARDWARE) is fast. A much faster processor than the SNES. Whether or not you knew anything about processors, the ad emphasized that the megadrive's processor was better than the SNES's processor, that was a fact.

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Blast processing is not hardware. It's just a marketing term so you have proven that back then you couldn't market specs - you had to market bs terms instead.

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................................You didn't read past the first two words did you?

That's never been my argument though, has it?
I've been saying that if the specs were good, it would not hurt sales, and indeed could help sales, if they were released. Not to release them however could hurt sales as the next-box could be released next year or if the specs put it on par with the existing consoles.

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Yeah it kind of has been your argument
No point in doing so. Nintendo has never revealed specs. Also, not releasing them wouldn't hurt sales as your average consumer doesn't look up the specs of the console they buy. They just look at the games and decide if it's the console for them. By your logic, the N64, SNES, and GameCube were also weak because Nintendo didn't reveal specs.

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What? Nintendo has revealed specs before especially during the early days. I think they really stopped being involved in the spec-wars after the Gamecube because they release real world numbers compared to the theoretical numbers their competition revealed to the public. But I do agree, that the average consumer cares little about the specs. Typically saying "A" run faster or has more memory than "B" is enough for them.

Blast processing emphasizes the fact that the processor (WHICH IS ACTUAL HARDWARE) is fast. A much faster processor than the SNES. Whether or not you knew anything about processors, the ad emphasized that the megadrive's processor was better than the SNES's processor, that was a fact.

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Blast processing is not hardware. It's just a marketing term so you have proven that back then you couldn't market specs - you had to market bs terms instead.

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................................You didn't read past the first two words did you?

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Blast processing =/= hardware. The advert doesn't mention hardware whatsoever. We are talking about Nintendo releasing the specs of the WiiU not making up marketing terms for it.

If you think specs are the only factor in those scenarios you are grossly mistaken and therefore your argument is just turd.
How do you know what is popular isn't related to specs? This thread needs a dose of the scientific method as it's heading up retard avenue full speed on the short bus.

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...do you have a case of short-term memory loss or something? He's explaining how specs weren't factors for the success of those consoles. Also, things don't sell because of specs. The average consumer doesn't KNOW about specs. No one brought a PS3 over a 360 because it has a more powerful CPU.

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You can't actually prove that though. You can't actually link low sales directly to the specs.
Prove things don't sell because of specs. You clearly have no idea how to debate something correctly - jumping to conclusions isn't an argument.
Please prove no one bought a PS3 over the 360 because of the CPU.

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Well, the fact that PS3 sold as much as the xbox360...would imply that CPU differences dont matter.

Im pretty sure the games drove both their sales. Im pretty sure the exclusives on the Ps3 sold its sales the most. Not its CPU.

...do you have a case of short-term memory loss or something? He's explaining how specs weren't factors for the success of those consoles. Also, things don't sell because of specs. The average consumer doesn't KNOW about specs. No one brought a PS3 over a 360 because it has a more powerful CPU.

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You can't actually prove that though. You can't actually link low sales directly to the specs.
Prove things don't sell because of specs. You clearly have no idea how to debate something correctly - jumping to conclusions isn't an argument.
Please prove no one bought a PS3 over the 360 because of the CPU.

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Well, the fact that PS3 sold as much as the xbox360...would imply that CPU differences dont matter.

Im pretty sure the games drove both their sales. Im pretty sure the exclusives on the Ps3 sold its sales the most. Not its CPU.

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How do you know it has nothing to do with the games on the console? You can't. Please learn how to debate as you don't seem able to comprehend the many different factors that have to be considered when analysing something.

That's never been my argument though, has it?
I've been saying that if the specs were good, it would not hurt sales, and indeed could help sales, if they were released. Not to release them however could hurt sales as the next-box could be released next year or if the specs put it on par with the existing consoles.

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Yeah it kind of has been your argument
No point in doing so. Nintendo has never revealed specs. Also, not releasing them wouldn't hurt sales as your average consumer doesn't look up the specs of the console they buy. They just look at the games and decide if it's the console for them. By your logic, the N64, SNES, and GameCube were also weak because Nintendo didn't reveal specs.

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What? Nintendo has revealed specs before especially during the early days. I think they really stopped being involved in the spec-wars after the Gamecube because they release real world numbers compared to the theoretical numbers their competition revealed to the public. But I do agree, that the average consumer cares little about the specs. Typically saying "A" run faster or has more memory than "B" is enough for them.

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But not for the GameCube. Sure they revealed real world numbers of how many polygons it can push but not much more.

That's never been my argument though, has it?
I've been saying that if the specs were good, it would not hurt sales, and indeed could help sales, if they were released. Not to release them however could hurt sales as the next-box could be released next year or if the specs put it on par with the existing consoles.

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Yeah it kind of has been your argument
No point in doing so. Nintendo has never revealed specs. Also, not releasing them wouldn't hurt sales as your average consumer doesn't look up the specs of the console they buy. They just look at the games and decide if it's the console for them. By your logic, the N64, SNES, and GameCube were also weak because Nintendo didn't reveal specs.

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So the 64 in N64 had nothing to do with the hardware?
Prove the average customer doesn't look up specs of the console they buy. Why do you think you know how people think? Unsubstantiated generalisations aren't facts.

So the 64 in N64 had nothing to do with the hardware?
Prove the average customer doesn't look up specs of the console they buy. Why do you think you know how people think? Unsubstantiated generalisations aren't facts.

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That was to brag about how many bits the Nintendo 64 had. Most consumers don't even know what the hell bits mean and most didn't care as they went with the weaker PS. You're just proving me right. Also, how about you prove that the average consumer looks up and cares for specs? If that was the case, no one would've brought a 360 or Wii over the PS3, a PS2 or GameCube over the Xbox, a PS or Saturn over the N64, etc. Hell, no one would buy consoles because PC's are always the most powerful

If the specs are good, best case scenario is that it would help sell the console, worst case is it wouldn't do anything.
Now go figure why they haven't released the specs. Because they aren't good and would hinder sales - that's the only logical reason unless you really think corporation laziness is a valid reason for something.

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Great specs do not sell launch consoles. I mean they do, but not to any degree to make it worth it. Otherwise the ps3 would have sold a lot out of the gate, they didn't.

You launch with compelling games on an interesting system with potential and promise...THAT'S what sells consoles. Not specs.

I garauntee you most people don't buy iPhones over other phones cause of their great specs.

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Okay please provide me what the percentage is of sales due to specs.
Can you prove anything you've just said?

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Uh, sure...more gamers bought ps2's and Wii's than they did next gen xbox360's and ps3's.

More gamers bought PSP's and DS's and 3D's than they will ever buy PS Vita's.

The best selling games in the last 12 years are the ones with relatively mediocre specs. The games that push the graphical edges on the consoles have the weakest sales.

Does that work enough, or you need actual numbers?

Content and uniqueness sells consoles and games way more than specs. Thats a fact. Otherwise PC gaming would be the king of game sales.

I'm saying that if the specs were good, it wouldn't hurt sales to release them and could be beneficial. Only if they are bad would it make sense not to release them.

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And im simply saying....and really think hard on this...its ONLY beneficial to release a spec breakdown IF the hardware specs were the BEST thing about your system. Otherwise, its not beneficial at all to bother.

Nintendo systems specs were NEVER the best thing about their consoles...it was always the content and and the innovation and the uniqueness that were the best features of their system...thus its not benefical for them to highlight it.

The majority bought the PS2. The PS2 specs were significantly weaker than the other two consoles. You can even add DVD in here and the Xbox still lost by 130 million users. 130 million users is a majority.

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Once again you think that there is only one reason why a console could sell. Ever thought that part of the reason the PS2 sold well was because it had zero competition for over a year?
You guys seriously should study up on the basics of logic as your arguments fail against basic logic.

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Wait, your logic that the ps2 sold 130 million more consoles than the xbox was because the ps2 had a year head start....so you are saying TIME is more important than SPECS now? *rolleyes*

By your logic, the xbox360 should have outsold the ps3 7 to 1. They sold the same amount. Go figure.

You can't actually prove that though. You can't actually link low sales directly to the specs.
Prove things don't sell because of specs. You clearly have no idea how to debate something correctly - jumping to conclusions isn't an argument.
Please prove no one bought a PS3 over the 360 because of the CPU.

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Well, the fact that PS3 sold as much as the xbox360...would imply that CPU differences dont matter.

Im pretty sure the games drove both their sales. Im pretty sure the exclusives on the Ps3 sold its sales the most. Not its CPU.

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How do you know it has nothing to do with the games on the console? You can't. Please learn how to debate as you don't seem able to comprehend the many different factors that have to be considered when analysing something.

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lol, i JUST said in the post you quoted the ps3 sold because of its games NOT because of its better CPU!

Well, the fact that PS3 sold as much as the xbox360...would imply that CPU differences dont matter.

Im pretty sure the games drove both their sales. Im pretty sure the exclusives on the Ps3 sold its sales the most. Not its CPU.

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How do you know it has nothing to do with the games on the console? You can't. Please learn how to debate as you don't seem able to comprehend the many different factors that have to be considered when analysing something.

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lol, i JUST said in the post you quoted the ps3 sold because of its games NOT because of its better CPU!

Now i know what the problem is, you dont read properly....

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No need to argue with him. He is just sad he can't enjoy the Wii U like a lot of us are now.

That's never been my argument though, has it?
I've been saying that if the specs were good, it would not hurt sales, and indeed could help sales, if they were released. Not to release them however could hurt sales as the next-box could be released next year or if the specs put it on par with the existing consoles.

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Yeah it kind of has been your argument
No point in doing so. Nintendo has never revealed specs. Also, not releasing them wouldn't hurt sales as your average consumer doesn't look up the specs of the console they buy. They just look at the games and decide if it's the console for them. By your logic, the N64, SNES, and GameCube were also weak because Nintendo didn't reveal specs.

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So the 64 in N64 had nothing to do with the hardware?
Prove the average customer doesn't look up specs of the console they buy. Why do you think you know how people think? Unsubstantiated generalisations aren't facts.

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Most gamers who played the N64 didnt know what the 64 referred to...and if they did, what a bit really meant. They certainly didnt care about the N64's low texture cache...and use of the inferior ROM cartridge...or wait, are you saying the majority of n64 lovers did care about all the inferior specs on the N64...im confused...

Most gamers who played the N64 didnt know what the 64 referred to...and if they did, what a bit really meant. They certainly didnt care about the N64's low texture cache...and use of the inferior ROM cartridge...or wait, are you saying the majority of n64 lovers did care about all the inferior specs on the N64...im confused...

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The N64 actually was more powerful. The only thing holding it back was the use of the low storage capabilities of the cartridge, which helped lead to somewhat inferior textures, but it did have more technically demanding games

Most gamers who played the N64 didnt know what the 64 referred to...and if they did, what a bit really meant. They certainly didnt care about the N64's low texture cache...and use of the inferior ROM cartridge...or wait, are you saying the majority of n64 lovers did care about all the inferior specs on the N64...im confused...

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Can you prove most gamers didn't know what the 64 stood for?
This thread is filled with kids who think that assumptions are the same as facts. Claiming something doesn't make it true, okay?

No need to argue with him. He is just sad he can't enjoy the Wii U like a lot of us are now.

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Mature. I have a PC that's considerably more powerful then the Wii U - why would I buy one? You're just kids who are still in the stage of arguing that your console has to be the "best console evar" and will just make up shit to sound right "people think X, people do Y and no, I have no proof".

Well, the fact that PS3 sold as much as the xbox360...would imply that CPU differences dont matter.

Im pretty sure the games drove both their sales. Im pretty sure the exclusives on the Ps3 sold its sales the most. Not its CPU.

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How do you know it has nothing to do with the games on the console? You can't. Please learn how to debate as you don't seem able to comprehend the many different factors that have to be considered when analysing something.

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lol, i JUST said in the post you quoted the ps3 sold because of its games NOT because of its better CPU!

Now i know what the problem is, you dont read properly....

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Prove the PS3 sold because of it's game and not its CPU.
You can't can you so why state something that you can't prove as a fact?

No need to argue with him. He is just sad he can't enjoy the Wii U like a lot of us are now.

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Mature. I have a PC that's considerably more powerful then the Wii U - why would I buy one? You're just kids who are still in the stage of arguing that your console has to be the "best console evar" and will just make up shit to sound right "people think X, people do Y and no, I have no proof".

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Why buy any console than? Just stick with your gaming PC. It's going to have the best multiplats anyways. A lot of us are buying the Wii-U for 1st/2nd/3rd party games that will be exclusive to the console. Also, seeing as you have no interest in Nintendo, why are you here then?Go to the PC Lobby then, for god's sake. Why do all of the trolls come here?

No need to argue with him. He is just sad he can't enjoy the Wii U like a lot of us are now.

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Mature. I have a PC that's considerably more powerful then the Wii U - why would I buy one? You're just kids who are still in the stage of arguing that your console has to be the "best console evar" and will just make up shit to sound right "people think X, people do Y and no, I have no proof".

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Why buy any console than? Just stick with your gaming PC. It's going to have the best multiplats anyways. A lot of us are buying the Wii-U for 1st/2nd/3rd party games that will be exclusive to the console. Also, seeing as you have no interest in Nintendo, why are you here then?Go to the PC Lobby then, for god's sake. Why do all of the trolls come here?

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I'm here giving a reason why Nintendo aren't releasing the specs - because they are bad.
I'm the "troll" yet you guys claim to know what the entire world is thinking and then get bitchy when asked to back up what you claim? Uhuh. Sure I'm the troll here?

I'm here giving a reason why Nintendo aren't releasing the specs - because they are bad.
I'm the "troll" yet you guys claim to know what the entire world is thinking and then get bitchy when asked to back up what you claim? Uhuh. Sure I'm the troll here?

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Then why didn't they reveal the specs of the GameCube? You've been avoiding this for god knows how long and it just proves that you can't handle being wrong...we have...we used sales and superior third party support of weaker consoles to prove that the average consumer doesn't give a damn about which console is more powerful. Not to mention, the sales of PC gaming. Yes, you're a troll because no one can possibly be this stupid. We did our part but you have failed to do yours

I'm here giving a reason why Nintendo aren't releasing the specs - because they are bad.
I'm the "troll" yet you guys claim to know what the entire world is thinking and then get bitchy when asked to back up what you claim? Uhuh. Sure I'm the troll here?

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Then why didn't they reveal the specs of the GameCube? You've been avoiding this for god knows how long and it just proves that you can't handle being wrong...we have...we used sales and superior third party support of weaker consoles to prove that the average consumer doesn't give a damn about which console is more powerful. Not to mention, the sales of PC gaming. Yes, you're a troll because no one can possibly be this stupid. We did our part but you have failed to do yours

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Who knows? You are jumping to the conclusion that the GC was better in every way then the existing consoles. It wasn't. No HDD. No DVD drive.
You have not provided any evidence whatsoever. You are GUESSING at the reason why people bought consoles. Did you ask everyone who bought a console why they did so? No, so why do you think that you can just guess at their reason for buying the console? Learn about the scientific method please as your thinking is akin to the dark ages.I can just as easily say "well they bought the PS2 because they wanted a next-gen console sooner rather then later and din't know the specs of the other consoles, but when they found out, they all cried." That has as much weight behind it as your juvenile speculation.
I'm not stupid - you're just some kid who clearly hasn't finished high school and thinks that speculation is the same as fact. It's not. Go be idiotic somewhere else.

Who knows? You are jumping to the conclusion that the GC was better in every way then the existing consoles. It wasn't. No HDD. No DVD drive.
You have not provided any evidence whatsoever. You are GUESSING at the reason why people bought consoles. Did you ask everyone who bought a console why they did so? No, so why do you think that you can just guess at their reason for buying the console? Learn about the scientific method please as your thinking is akin to the dark ages.
I'm not stupid - you're just some kid who clearly hasn't finished high school and thinks that speculation is the same as fact. It's not. Go be idiotic somewhere else.

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The GameCube had superior specs, HDD and DVD has nothing to do with specs. You're also completely ignoring the sales of the Xbox.
So why in the world of fuck did consumers buy a PS2 over the Xbox or a 360 over the PS3 or a PS over the N64? Why did those consoles receive superior third party support and sell better, despite having worse sales, huh? I'll tell you fucking why. They had more and better GAMES. They sold better due to GAMES. You're average consumer doesn't buy a console due to specs, otherwise consoles would never even sell. You can not possibly be this ridiculously mindbogglingly retarded. You're ignoring my arguments and FACTS as speculation. How about you shove your scientific method up your ass because that has NOTHING to do with our discussion.
Sorry but the only idiot here is you and, if you really are beyond high school and this mentally challenged, then may God have mercy upon your soul. Good day and good night.

Who knows? You are jumping to the conclusion that the GC was better in every way then the existing consoles. It wasn't. No HDD. No DVD drive.
You have not provided any evidence whatsoever. You are GUESSING at the reason why people bought consoles. Did you ask everyone who bought a console why they did so? No, so why do you think that you can just guess at their reason for buying the console? Learn about the scientific method please as your thinking is akin to the dark ages.
I'm not stupid - you're just some kid who clearly hasn't finished high school and thinks that speculation is the same as fact. It's not. Go be idiotic somewhere else.

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The GameCube had superior specs, HDD and DVD has nothing to do with specs. You're also completely ignoring the sales of the Xbox.
So why in the world of fuck did consumers buy a PS2 over the Xbox or a 360 over the PS3 or a PS over the N64? Why did those consoles receive superior third party support and sell better, despite having worse sales, huh? I'll tell you fucking why. They had more and better GAMES. They sold better due to GAMES. You're average consumer doesn't buy a console due to specs, otherwise consoles would never even sell. You can not possibly be this ridiculously mindbogglingly retarded. You're ignoring my arguments and FACTS as speculation. How about you shove your scientific method up your ass because that has NOTHING to do with our discussion.
Sorry but the only idiot here is you and, if you really are beyond high school and this mentally challenged, then may God have mercy upon your soul. Good day and good night.

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HDD and DVD have everything to do with specs...Can it play a media format and does it have a harddrive....You have no idea about specs do you?

Neither of us know specifically why the PS2 sold more then the Xbox. However, we can say such things such as it's release date and volume of quality titles helped it to sell. This does NOT MEAN THAT SPECS DO NOT HELP SALES. Can you prove that the PS2 sold just because of it's games and no other reason? No you can't you conceited fool - stop acting as if a complete guess by you is fact. It's not.

"They sold better due to GAMES" <- any proof whatsoever? No. None. It's just as valid as me claiming that you enjoy dressing up in your mothers underwear and eating faeces because your username is SoopahFakerBros.

Quick question: How old are you because you debate like you're 14.

You seem to think that it's impossible for something to sell due to numerous reasons. Just stay in high school as clearly you aren't competent enough to continue this debate, and if you continue with your juvenile imbecilic arrogance, then enjoy mopping the floor at wendy's as you will fail every important exam that comes your way.

No need to argue with him. He is just sad he can't enjoy the Wii U like a lot of us are now.

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Mature. I have a PC that's considerably more powerful then the Wii U - why would I buy one? You're just kids who are still in the stage of arguing that your console has to be the "best console evar" and will just make up shit to sound right "people think X, people do Y and no, I have no proof".

If I had a nickel for every person I have come across who has bought a iPhone or an Android because of specs, I would have no nickels.

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If I was given a nickel for every person who thought anecdotal evidence was actually worth something (it isn't btw), I'd be very rich.

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So let me get this straight. You are part of the glorious PC master race, and you are proving what? That the Wii U is weak? So it is. What now? What else is there to tell us. You know what? Let me go buy a PS4 since I will obviously play the next Zelda on there since it obviously has better specs. I wouldn't want to play on an inferior console. Matter fact. Everyone should just rise up and take down the tyrannic Nintendo for even trying to sell us a piece of garbage. We will show them that we are not fools to be messed with. And while we are doing that, let's go attack Apple for releasing the 4S when they could have obviously added Siri on the 4, since that's the reason every person who I know that has the 4S got it for. And why stop there? I am sick of GameStop treating their customer like scum, asking for a $1 for a game that came out 6 months ago. Let's all just rise up and take down these evil, evil men. But while everyone else is doing that, I will be too busy laying in my bed shooting people up on BLOPS2 on my Wii U to give a damn about how companies treat people like crap with their sorry excuse of specs and money and whatnot. Want something to really argue about? How about those chinese labor workers who get paid shit for the stuff that you take for granted. They are long overdue for their voice to be heard.

HDD and DVD have everything to do with specs...Can it play a media format and does it have a harddrive....You have no idea about specs do you?

Neither of us know specifically why the PS2 sold more then the Xbox. However, we can say such things such as it's release date and volume of quality titles helped it to sell. This does NOT MEAN THAT SPECS DO NOT HELP SALES. Can you prove that the PS2 sold just because of it's games and no other reason? No you can't you conceited fool - stop acting as if a complete guess by you is fact. It's not.

"They sold better due to GAMES" <- any proof whatsoever? No. None. It's just as valid as me claiming that you enjoy dressing up in your mothers underwear and eating faeces because your username is SoopahFakerBros.

Quick question: How old are you because you debate like you're 14.

You seem to think that it's impossible for something to sell due to numerous reasons. Just stay in high school as clearly you aren't competent enough to continue this debate, and if you continue with your juvenile imbecilic arrogance, then enjoy mopping the floor at wendy's as you will fail every important exam that comes your way.

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I think it's you who doesn't know anything about specs

Specs don't help sales otherwise the Xbox and the GameCube would've sold more. End of discussion. Let's see...it had the success of the PS and therefore received more quality games and therefore attracted more consumers and therefore sold better. There you go, I guess you couldn't figure that out with your tiny little brain.

...considering that games sold better on the PS2 and the main reason why someone would buy a PS2 would be because of games, yes. Otherwise, they would've brought a Xbox instead, a console that cost just the same

Private information I don't reveal, especially to idiots like you

There are many factors for why some consoles sell better but specs ain't one of them. Otherwise more powerful consoles would've sold better. How about you prove that MOST people buy one console over another because of specs? Also, me failing my exams? Big talk coming from someone who can't adequately explain how I'm actually wrong and/or back up his points. Have fun living in your mothers basement, that's about the only women you'll ever see

Most gamers who played the N64 didnt know what the 64 referred to...and if they did, what a bit really meant. They certainly didnt care about the N64's low texture cache...and use of the inferior ROM cartridge...or wait, are you saying the majority of n64 lovers did care about all the inferior specs on the N64...im confused...

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The N64 actually was more powerful. The only thing holding it back was the use of the low storage capabilities of the cartridge, which helped lead to somewhat inferior textures, but it did have more technically demanding games

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True, but im pretty sure the system sold so much because of what Mario 64 and Goldeneye looked like on the system....not cause of its specs.

People will buy Wii U's because of what NSBU and the next Zelda game will look like on it...not cause of its specs.

Which runs against what mazty2 is trying to say...that specs sell systems more than content or innovation.

No need to argue with him. He is just sad he can't enjoy the Wii U like a lot of us are now.

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Mature. I have a PC that's considerably more powerful then the Wii U - why would I buy one? You're just kids who are still in the stage of arguing that your console has to be the "best console evar" and will just make up shit to sound right "people think X, people do Y and no, I have no proof".

If I had a nickel for every person I have come across who has bought a iPhone or an Android because of specs, I would have no nickels.

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If I was given a nickel for every person who thought anecdotal evidence was actually worth something (it isn't btw), I'd be very rich.

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So let me get this straight. You are part of the glorious PC master race, and you are proving what? That the Wii U is weak? So it is. What now? What else is there to tell us. You know what? Let me go buy a PS4 since I will obviously play the next Zelda on there since it obviously has better specs. I wouldn't want to play on an inferior console. Matter fact. Everyone should just rise up and take down the tyrannic Nintendo for even trying to sell us a piece of garbage. We will show them that we are not fools to be messed with. And while we are doing that, let's go attack Apple for releasing the 4S when they could have obviously added Siri on the 4, since that's the reason every person who I know that has the 4S got it for. And why stop there? I am sick of GameStop treating their customer like scum, asking for a $1 for a game that came out 6 months ago. Let's all just rise up and take down these evil, evil men. But while everyone else is doing that, I will be too busy laying in my bed shooting people up on BLOPS2 on my Wii U to give a damn about how companies treat people like crap with their sorry excuse of specs and money and whatnot. Want something to really argue about? How about those chinese labor workers who get paid shit for the stuff that you take for granted. They are long overdue for their voice to be heard.

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All I said was that if the Wii U's specs were good, Nintendo would have released them because it wouldn't hurt sales and could actually help them. Not my fault you kids get rattled when I point this out, but then again you have all just spent $300+ on the Wii U so aren't going to readily admit it's a bit poop. Keep ranting away, it really makes your argument seem ever so mature.

HDD and DVD have everything to do with specs...Can it play a media format and does it have a harddrive....You have no idea about specs do you?

Neither of us know specifically why the PS2 sold more then the Xbox. However, we can say such things such as it's release date and volume of quality titles helped it to sell. This does NOT MEAN THAT SPECS DO NOT HELP SALES. Can you prove that the PS2 sold just because of it's games and no other reason? No you can't you conceited fool - stop acting as if a complete guess by you is fact. It's not.

"They sold better due to GAMES" <- any proof whatsoever? No. None. It's just as valid as me claiming that you enjoy dressing up in your mothers underwear and eating faeces because your username is SoopahFakerBros.

Quick question: How old are you because you debate like you're 14.

You seem to think that it's impossible for something to sell due to numerous reasons. Just stay in high school as clearly you aren't competent enough to continue this debate, and if you continue with your juvenile imbecilic arrogance, then enjoy mopping the floor at wendy's as you will fail every important exam that comes your way.

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I think it's you who doesn't know anything about specs

Specs don't help sales otherwise the Xbox and the GameCube would've sold more. End of discussion. Let's see...it had the success of the PS and therefore received more quality games and therefore attracted more consumers and therefore sold better. There you go, I guess you couldn't figure that out with your tiny little brain.

...considering that games sold better on the PS2 and the main reason why someone would buy a PS2 would be because of games, yes. Otherwise, they would've brought a Xbox instead, a console that cost just the same

Private information I don't reveal, especially to idiots like you

There are many factors for why some consoles sell better but specs ain't one of them. Otherwise more powerful consoles would've sold better. How about you prove that MOST people buy one console over another because of specs? Also, me failing my exams? Big talk coming from someone who can't adequately explain how I'm actually wrong and/or back up his points. Have fun living in your mothers basement, that's about the only women you'll ever see

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I've made several PC's and work in IT - I know about specs, kid.

Have you asked every person who has ever bought a console if specs matter to them? If not, then how can you claim to know why they bought their console? Your arrogance is phenomenal.
How's that attitude working out for you kid? Big shot lawyer? Or failing at school? Your attitude would actually get you fired in most jobs because presuming you know best when you've nothing to go on is a sure fire way to fuck up.

Who knows? You are jumping to the conclusion that the GC was better in every way then the existing consoles. It wasn't. No HDD. No DVD drive.
You have not provided any evidence whatsoever. You are GUESSING at the reason why people bought consoles. Did you ask everyone who bought a console why they did so? No, so why do you think that you can just guess at their reason for buying the console? Learn about the scientific method please as your thinking is akin to the dark ages.
I'm not stupid - you're just some kid who clearly hasn't finished high school and thinks that speculation is the same as fact. It's not. Go be idiotic somewhere else.

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The GameCube had superior specs, HDD and DVD has nothing to do with specs. You're also completely ignoring the sales of the Xbox.
So why in the world of fuck did consumers buy a PS2 over the Xbox or a 360 over the PS3 or a PS over the N64? Why did those consoles receive superior third party support and sell better, despite having worse sales, huh? I'll tell you fucking why. They had more and better GAMES. They sold better due to GAMES. You're average consumer doesn't buy a console due to specs, otherwise consoles would never even sell. You can not possibly be this ridiculously mindbogglingly retarded. You're ignoring my arguments and FACTS as speculation. How about you shove your scientific method up your ass because that has NOTHING to do with our discussion.
Sorry but the only idiot here is you and, if you really are beyond high school and this mentally challenged, then may God have mercy upon your soul. Good day and good night.

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HDD and DVD have everything to do with specs...Can it play a media format and does it have a harddrive....You have no idea about specs do you?

Neither of us know specifically why the PS2 sold more then the Xbox. However, we can say such things such as it's release date and volume of quality titles helped it to sell. This does NOT MEAN THAT SPECS DO NOT HELP SALES. Can you prove that the PS2 sold just because of it's games and no other reason? No you can't you conceited fool - stop acting as if a complete guess by you is fact. It's not.

"They sold better due to GAMES" <- any proof whatsoever? No. None. It's just as valid as me claiming that you enjoy dressing up in your mothers underwear and eating faeces because your username is SoopahFakerBros.

Quick question: How old are you because you debate like you're 14.

You seem to think that it's impossible for something to sell due to numerous reasons. Just stay in high school as clearly you aren't competent enough to continue this debate, and if you continue with your juvenile imbecilic arrogance, then enjoy mopping the floor at wendy's as you will fail every important exam that comes your way.

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The PS2 outselling the Xbox had much to do with a certain sandbox game that was exclusive to the PS2. Nobody bought the PS2 because of specs. Most people don't give a shit. No, what people wanted to do is play a game that was non-linear. They wanted a game where they had complete freedom to do whatever they wanted. Either you forgot that or you weren't around. It isn't rocket science.

And your claim that Nintendo doesn't release specs because most people might be turned off is complete horseshit. History has proven over and over again that games come first.

Wait, your logic that the ps2 sold 130 million more consoles than the xbox was because the ps2 had a year head start....so you are saying TIME is more important than SPECS now? *rolleyes*

By your logic, the xbox360 should have outsold the ps3 7 to 1. They sold the same amount. Go figure.

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No I'm saying there is more then one factor to consider when analysing console sales. How old are you guys? 14? You don't seem to understand basic analysis whatsoever.

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Of course there are more than one factor that sells consoles! no one is saying different.

YOU are the one arguing that specs is the main factor that drives sales....most of us here are saying that factor is near the bottom of the list when considering what sells consoles.

Get it?

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Exactly. Neither of us can say that specs do or do not aid in sales, therefore it only makes sense to release specs in case they do help sales - it would be economically worthwhile.
I'm saying that you can't rule out specs as a selling point, something you are all doing with no justification for doing so. Please quote where I stated that specs are the main factor for sales. Good luck because I never said that.

How do you know it has nothing to do with the games on the console? You can't. Please learn how to debate as you don't seem able to comprehend the many different factors that have to be considered when analysing something.

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lol, i JUST said in the post you quoted the ps3 sold because of its games NOT because of its better CPU!

Now i know what the problem is, you dont read properly....

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Prove the PS3 sold because of it's game and not its CPU.

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I did prove it.

xbox had a CPU 3x the speed of the ps2...sold 7 times as less even thought it only came out a year later. The faster CPU didnt sell the system at all. I would argue, and its pretty obvious, Xbox's sold as many as they did because of the Halo games (that you couldnt get on ps2) not cause of the faster processor

Did some people buy the xbox because they saw it had 3x the CPU speed of the ps2? Im sure there were some geeks who did. Im not saying no...but most people pick up a system based on what games it has. Please dont try to argue otherwise...its pointless.

Im sure some people bought ps3 cause the saw its better CPU and went "Ooooohhhhhh...im buying that thing no matter WHAT game it launches with and no matter WHAT games it ever releases...cause look how much better that CPU is compared to the Xbox360!!"

Im sure some tech freaks didnt bother buying a xbox360..and waited a year knowing the ps3 would be slightly faster...im sure it happened. But those tech freaks werent the driving force of ps3 sales over the years.

Some xbox360 owners didnt care, so they never bought a ps3...the xbox360 owners who did eventually buy a ps3 waited to buy it when they saw a game they wanted to play that they couldnt get on the Xbox360.

If CPU speeds was the driving force of ps3, they wouldnt have stumbled out of the gate so badly the first few years. They only sold as many as they did because of the gaming library they eventually built up, not cause of their CPU speed.

The GameCube had superior specs, HDD and DVD has nothing to do with specs. You're also completely ignoring the sales of the Xbox.
So why in the world of fuck did consumers buy a PS2 over the Xbox or a 360 over the PS3 or a PS over the N64? Why did those consoles receive superior third party support and sell better, despite having worse sales, huh? I'll tell you fucking why. They had more and better GAMES. They sold better due to GAMES. You're average consumer doesn't buy a console due to specs, otherwise consoles would never even sell. You can not possibly be this ridiculously mindbogglingly retarded. You're ignoring my arguments and FACTS as speculation. How about you shove your scientific method up your ass because that has NOTHING to do with our discussion.
Sorry but the only idiot here is you and, if you really are beyond high school and this mentally challenged, then may God have mercy upon your soul. Good day and good night.

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HDD and DVD have everything to do with specs...Can it play a media format and does it have a harddrive....You have no idea about specs do you?

Neither of us know specifically why the PS2 sold more then the Xbox. However, we can say such things such as it's release date and volume of quality titles helped it to sell. This does NOT MEAN THAT SPECS DO NOT HELP SALES. Can you prove that the PS2 sold just because of it's games and no other reason? No you can't you conceited fool - stop acting as if a complete guess by you is fact. It's not.

"They sold better due to GAMES" <- any proof whatsoever? No. None. It's just as valid as me claiming that you enjoy dressing up in your mothers underwear and eating faeces because your username is SoopahFakerBros.

Quick question: How old are you because you debate like you're 14.

You seem to think that it's impossible for something to sell due to numerous reasons. Just stay in high school as clearly you aren't competent enough to continue this debate, and if you continue with your juvenile imbecilic arrogance, then enjoy mopping the floor at wendy's as you will fail every important exam that comes your way.

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The PS2 outselling the Xbox had much to do with a certain sandbox game that was exclusive to the PS2. Nobody bought the PS2 because of specs. Most people don't give a shit. No, what people wanted to do is play a game that was non-linear. They wanted a game where they had complete freedom to do whatever they wanted. Either you forgot that or you weren't around. It isn't rocket science.

And your claim that Nintendo doesn't release specs because most people might be turned off is complete horseshit. History has proven over and over again that games come first.

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Can you prove any of what you said?
How do you know every xbox didn't sell because of it's specs? You don't. Speculation isn't the same as fact.
Is this forum filled with just 14 year olds who have yet to learn that their guesses aren't facts?

lol, i JUST said in the post you quoted the ps3 sold because of its games NOT because of its better CPU!

Now i know what the problem is, you dont read properly....

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Prove the PS3 sold because of it's game and not its CPU.

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I did prove it.

xbox had a CPU 3x the speed of the ps2...sold 7 times as less even thought it only came out a year later. The faster CPU didnt sell the system at all. I would argue, and its pretty obvious, Xbox's sold as many as they did because of the Halo games (that you couldnt get on ps2) not cause of the faster processor

Did some people buy the xbox because they saw it had 3x the CPU speed of the ps2? Im sure there were some geeks who did. Im not saying no...but most people pick up a system based on what games it has. Please dont try to argue otherwise...its pointless.

Im sure some people bought ps3 cause the saw its better CPU and went "Ooooohhhhhh...im buying that thing no matter WHAT game it launches with and no matter WHAT games it ever releases...cause look how much better that CPU is compared to the Xbox360!!"

Im sure some tech freaks didnt bother buying a xbox360..and waited a year knowing the ps3 would be slightly faster...im sure it happened. But those tech freaks werent the driving force of ps3 sales over the years.

Some xbox360 owners didnt care, so they never bought a ps3...the xbox360 owners who did eventually buy a ps3 waited to buy it when they saw a game they wanted to play that they couldnt get on the Xbox360.

If CPU speeds was the driving force of ps3, they wouldnt have stumbled out of the gate so badly the first few years. They only sold as many as they did because of the gaming library they eventually built up, not cause of their CPU speed.

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The scary thing is you're not 14.
Where are your links to surveys and papers? You didn't prove jack. You speculated. Nothing more. Do any of you people know what a hypothesis is?? Hypothesise -> test -> conclusion. The education system has failed all of you so far.

Mature. I have a PC that's considerably more powerful then the Wii U - why would I buy one? You're just kids who are still in the stage of arguing that your console has to be the "best console evar" and will just make up shit to sound right "people think X, people do Y and no, I have no proof".

If I was given a nickel for every person who thought anecdotal evidence was actually worth something (it isn't btw), I'd be very rich.

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So let me get this straight. You are part of the glorious PC master race, and you are proving what? That the Wii U is weak? So it is. What now? What else is there to tell us. You know what? Let me go buy a PS4 since I will obviously play the next Zelda on there since it obviously has better specs. I wouldn't want to play on an inferior console. Matter fact. Everyone should just rise up and take down the tyrannic Nintendo for even trying to sell us a piece of garbage. We will show them that we are not fools to be messed with. And while we are doing that, let's go attack Apple for releasing the 4S when they could have obviously added Siri on the 4, since that's the reason every person who I know that has the 4S got it for. And why stop there? I am sick of GameStop treating their customer like scum, asking for a $1 for a game that came out 6 months ago. Let's all just rise up and take down these evil, evil men. But while everyone else is doing that, I will be too busy laying in my bed shooting people up on BLOPS2 on my Wii U to give a damn about how companies treat people like crap with their sorry excuse of specs and money and whatnot. Want something to really argue about? How about those chinese labor workers who get paid shit for the stuff that you take for granted. They are long overdue for their voice to be heard.

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All I said was that if the Wii U's specs were good, Nintendo would have released them because it wouldn't hurt sales and could actually help them. Not my fault you kids get rattled when I point this out, but then again you have all just spent $300+ on the Wii U so aren't going to readily admit it's a bit poop. Keep ranting away, it really makes your argument seem ever so mature.

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I bought a Wii. Thought it was ass. Bought a PS3. Thought it was ass. Bought a Vita. Thought it was ass. Did I still play them? Yup. Is Wii U ass? OH OF COURSE!!!!! Do I still play it. You know it. Why? Because I'm not a whiney little bitch who complains about something every time it not the way I want it to be. You don't go to work and bitch to your boss about how you should get this or that. What makes a company whose not trying to please that one oh so special person who is part of the PC master race any different? And last time I checked, I didn't know 8 year olds could walk up into Best Buy or GS by themselves and walk out with a game system and video games. The day I see that I would be flabbergasted.

lol sure we do. Its cause the ps2 had a better library of games than the xbox. Its pretty simple why they sold 7 times as many consoles than the xbox....

If CPU speed really did help sales, most of its buyers would have bought the system in the first 2.5 years not the last 2.5 years of its lifecycle. Selling most of its consoles in the later years proves its the gaming library that sold its system rather than the specs that it has always had.

So let me get this straight. You are part of the glorious PC master race, and you are proving what? That the Wii U is weak? So it is. What now? What else is there to tell us. You know what? Let me go buy a PS4 since I will obviously play the next Zelda on there since it obviously has better specs. I wouldn't want to play on an inferior console. Matter fact. Everyone should just rise up and take down the tyrannic Nintendo for even trying to sell us a piece of garbage. We will show them that we are not fools to be messed with. And while we are doing that, let's go attack Apple for releasing the 4S when they could have obviously added Siri on the 4, since that's the reason every person who I know that has the 4S got it for. And why stop there? I am sick of GameStop treating their customer like scum, asking for a $1 for a game that came out 6 months ago. Let's all just rise up and take down these evil, evil men. But while everyone else is doing that, I will be too busy laying in my bed shooting people up on BLOPS2 on my Wii U to give a damn about how companies treat people like crap with their sorry excuse of specs and money and whatnot. Want something to really argue about? How about those chinese labor workers who get paid shit for the stuff that you take for granted. They are long overdue for their voice to be heard.

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All I said was that if the Wii U's specs were good, Nintendo would have released them because it wouldn't hurt sales and could actually help them. Not my fault you kids get rattled when I point this out, but then again you have all just spent $300+ on the Wii U so aren't going to readily admit it's a bit poop. Keep ranting away, it really makes your argument seem ever so mature.

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I bought a Wii. Thought it was ass. Bought a PS3. Thought it was ass. Bought a Vita. Thought it was ass. Did I still play them? Yup. Is Wii U ass? OH OF COURSE!!!!! Do I still play it. You know it. Why? Because I'm not a whiney little bitch who complains about something every time it not the way I want it to be. You don't go to work and bitch to your boss about how you should get this or that. What makes a company whose not trying to please that one oh so special person who is part of the PC master race any different? And last time I checked, I didn't know 8 year olds could walk up into Best Buy or GS by themselves and walk out with a game system and video games. The day I see that I would be flabbergasted.

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Lol@nonsensical rant

If releasing the specs helps sell one console, then why would nintendo not do that? Oh right, because releasing the specs would lower sales. Basic economics kids.

HDD and DVD have everything to do with specs...Can it play a media format and does it have a harddrive....You have no idea about specs do you?

Neither of us know specifically why the PS2 sold more then the Xbox. However, we can say such things such as it's release date and volume of quality titles helped it to sell. This does NOT MEAN THAT SPECS DO NOT HELP SALES. Can you prove that the PS2 sold just because of it's games and no other reason? No you can't you conceited fool - stop acting as if a complete guess by you is fact. It's not.

"They sold better due to GAMES" <- any proof whatsoever? No. None. It's just as valid as me claiming that you enjoy dressing up in your mothers underwear and eating faeces because your username is SoopahFakerBros.

Quick question: How old are you because you debate like you're 14.

You seem to think that it's impossible for something to sell due to numerous reasons. Just stay in high school as clearly you aren't competent enough to continue this debate, and if you continue with your juvenile imbecilic arrogance, then enjoy mopping the floor at wendy's as you will fail every important exam that comes your way.

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The PS2 outselling the Xbox had much to do with a certain sandbox game that was exclusive to the PS2. Nobody bought the PS2 because of specs. Most people don't give a shit. No, what people wanted to do is play a game that was non-linear. They wanted a game where they had complete freedom to do whatever they wanted. Either you forgot that or you weren't around. It isn't rocket science.

And your claim that Nintendo doesn't release specs because most people might be turned off is complete horseshit. History has proven over and over again that games come first.

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Can you prove any of what you said?
How do you know every xbox didn't sell because of it's specs? You don't. Speculation isn't the same as fact.
Is this forum filled with just 14 year olds who have yet to learn that their guesses aren't facts?

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Stop jerking off with your redundant logic and simplify things. And stop accusing others of being 14 year-olds. The last time I checked, this is the Wii U forum for people who are interested in the Wii U. You're like the other snarks who scope the Wii U articles and pop in with your lame tribute to all things crappy about the Wii U.

There is no speculation about any of it. People bought the Xbox for the same reason they bought the PS2: They wanted to play some fucking games. They saw DoA on T.V. and said "Man, that's cool. I want to play that!" Maybe some bought it for the specs, but it is certainly not or ever has been the majority. Like another poster said, the hardcore spec guys don't make up the console market. But hey, in your fantasy world, specs mean something which is why the Wii sold like shit.