the OP named schwarzenegger as an example for a good body and mentioned his training ideas with the soreness.

i just replied with a pic of a really good and muscular rugby player. then people always try to defend unhuman muscular bodybuilders.

it could be that i mixed some scientific terms, but let's make clear that there will be never a guy with such a muscular body like an elite bodybuilder who will be able to compete at a complex sport. it has nothing to do with the lack of training of a soccer player or so. a professionell soccer player can train the whole day, has the best nutrition available and maybe access to drugs. it would just be stupid to work up to a bodybuilder-like-body and that's why nobody does it.

the example of a sprinter is also not the best imo. you start and then you run straight forward or you also have to run rounds if you run more than 100m. that's not a complex sport like soccer. and then at a certain point, maybe at the 1500m competitions, a muscular guy again has no chance.

i also wrote something wrong. i wrote schwarzenegger was weak for his weight, but i meant for his size in form of muscle size. i think you could expect more from one of the hugest guys ever. but for sure he was a strong guy.

I don't understand. These two things are completely incomparable. There is no reason nor logic to argue about this. It's irrelevant. You are jugding a fish for it's ability to climb trees.

There is no physiological reason WHY a bodybuilder would not be able to compete at group sports or posess highly athletic abilities and skills. BUT, there are physiological and training-wise reasons WHY group sport athletes don't look like heavyweigth bodybuilders.

ephs wrote:i also wrote something wrong. i wrote schwarzenegger was weak for his weight, but i meant for his size in form of muscle size. i think you could expect more from one of the hugest guys ever.

Hugest guy ever? Hardly.

Schwarzenegger competed at a weight 30-60 pounds less than the typical Mr. Olympia contestant today. And at about 6'2", he would tower over most of them. Phil Heath, the 2012 winner, is 5'9" and Kai Greene (first runner up) is 5'8".

And maybe it's just me, but benching 400 lbs multiple times in a set is pretty impressive - especially if it's done in raw bodybuilding style without any gear. And this from someone committed to volume training. He could have done a lot of damage as a powerlifter if he wanted to.

But he stuck with bodybuilding. A pretty wise choice, it turned out, for him.

HealthyJay wrote:I'm still a rookie to the whole exrx network... So what happens if this thread gets locked down?

If a thread is locked down, no more comments can be posted to it. It's an action the moderators take if the posters get too heated in their comments. Personal attacks are verboten on this site - as they should be

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Thanks TimD

Listen OP, rugby is just soccer for men without a vajayjay. You need good strength and good endurance. There is never anything wrong with getting bigger and stronger. You want to prepare for rugby, play rugby. Look at the prowler, you'll see that it mimics a lot of the rugby movements.

hoosegow wrote: Look at the prowler, you'll see that it mimics a lot of the rugby movements.

Thanks hoosegow, believe it or not i've never even heard of the prowler before your post...but i googled it and it looks pretty intense. The website i found seemed to be only pushing it in different speeds/times/distances though... Was the site i was looking at not very normal for a prowler workout? Or is that what it is? Any good site i could look at to get a good idea for a prowler workout?

A prowler session is whatever you make of it. I push mine high, low, grab a harness and sprint, pull it hand over hand with a rope, pull it backwards, pull it sideways, push high with a really wide stance.

I try to do 20 "sprints" with it. Some days, I don't get past 6.

If you don't go the prowler route, go with barbell complexes (see the sticky for ideas), sprint and run bleachers. Also make sure you can run a 5K.