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Re: Player collusion in Seattle?

Please show me an example of the last time agents were complaining about collusion during free agency.

Please show a time where FA market was soft and the NFLPA did not claim collusion.

No one is disputing that the FA market is soft. The issue is why.

The salary cap has not been raised as much in recent years. There is a new rookie salary cap/pool. There is now a salary cap floor. QBs are signing increasingly large contracts. Two of the biggest spending teams (Cowboys and Redskins) are temporarily penalized and prevented from entering the fray as much as usual (penalties which the NFLPA inexplicably supported). All facts and possible reasons. Owner collusion? Not a fact, and no evidence thus far; either in terms communication/cooperation between owners, or even as far as anyone can tell, in terms of overall cap spending by clubs.

Re: Player collusion in Seattle?

This is ONE poster who clearly doesn't know what he's talking about. He just wants his claims to be validated. Logic is not going to change this dude's mind, plenty of people have refuted what he's said and he's just continued to repeat himself. Only thing to do is stop arguing with him so the thread goes away.

Re: Player collusion in Seattle?

Please tell us which current All Pro only got a 1/$2 offer. And please don't waste our time naming players who made All Pro three years ago.

BTW, your attempt to deflect attention from the NFLPA's epic fail is noted. It, too, was an epic fail.

You don't know what parameters the NFLPA is using when generating their list. And I never said the NFLPA was a good union anyway. In fact, they are quite shitty in comparison to other sports unions.

I don't know the offers because I am not an agent. And I am not a beat reporter with inside contacts. All I can see are the deals that have been signed. And to me it seems there are a plethora of 1 year, low $$ contracts.

And I am not going to do a line item comparison with previous years when this free agency period isn't even over, we are only in year 2 of the rookie wage scale system, and as I've already stated - one year likely isn't enough to show a clear pattern.

Re: Player collusion in Seattle?

Originally Posted by NjRavensFan

This is ONE poster who clearly doesn't know what he's talking about. He just wants his claims to be validated. Logic is not going to change this dude's mind, plenty of people have refuted what he's said and he's just continued to repeat himself. Only thing to do is stop arguing with him so the thread goes away.

Actually I see a bunch of people that have no fucking clue about antitrust regulations.

Someone here please answer the following:

1) Are the 32 NFL teams viewed as 1 entity, or 32 separate entities?
2) How does the answer to 1) impact application of section 1 of the Sherman Act with regards to the market for player contracts and potential collusion?

Re: Player collusion in Seattle?

Originally Posted by Haloti92

Two of the biggest spending teams (Cowboys and Redskins) are temporarily penalized and prevented from entering the fray as much as usual (penalties which the NFLPA inexplicably supported). All facts and possible reasons. Owner collusion? Not a fact, and no evidence thus far; either in terms communication/cooperation between owners, or even as far as anyone can tell, in terms of overall cap spending by clubs.

Do you know who punished WASH and DAL?

Do you know why they were punished?

They were punished because they didn't collude.

Finally, as to the notion that the NFL approved the various contracts that took excessive advantage of the uncapped year in 2010, it’s critical to consider the broader context. The union already was prepared to pounce on any possible evidence of collusion. If the NFL had decided to reject contracts because teams were taking advantage of rules that the teams had every right to take advantage of, the NFLPA would have sued — and the case would have been bolstered by the fact that, on at least six occasions, the NFL had told the teams not to treat the uncapped year as a salary dump. So the NFL approved the contracts and delayed punishment until a point where the league had leverage to persuade the union to agree to an effort to take action after the fact against teams that refused to collude.

Re: Player collusion in Seattle?

I have been away from the board for a few days, but I got quite a laugh in on this one.

1 Completely deluional poster vs The entire Logical world.
Priceless.

Here you go, here is a simple one for you,. Compare Ellerbe's contract to teh contracts received by David Hawethorne, Curtis Lofton and Stephen Tulloch. Few, if any, people would explain that Ellerbe is the best of the bunch, but he got paid the most BY A LOT. WHY?
SUPPLY
and
DEMAND.
Last year the market was flooded with MLB'ers and few jobs available. This year, quite the opposite, Ellerbe was CLEARLYthe best aailabel young option, and and more then a few teams interested.

Re: Player collusion in Seattle?

You don't know what parameters the NFLPA is using when generating their list. And I never said the NFLPA was a good union anyway. In fact, they are quite shitty in comparison to other sports unions.

If it's not current data, it's worthless.

Originally Posted by bt12483

I don't know the offers because I am not an agent. And I am not a beat reporter with inside contacts. All I can see are the deals that have been signed. And to me it seems there are a plethora of 1 year, low $$ contracts.

Great. Cite a 1/$2 signed by a current All Pro. Absent that, can you even name one current All Pro who isn't signed and isn't expected to get a good offer? You brought it up; now (for once) you need to back it up.

Re: Player collusion in Seattle?

Originally Posted by bt12483

Actually I see a bunch of people that have no fucking clue about antitrust regulations.

Someone here please answer the following:

1) Are the 32 NFL teams viewed as 1 entity, or 32 separate entities?
2) How does the answer to 1) impact application of section 1 of the Sherman Act with regards to the market for player contracts and potential collusion?

Answer this question. What does any of this have to do with what your "evidence"?

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid. - Benjamin Franklin

Re: Player collusion in Seattle?

Originally Posted by moose10101

Great. Cite a 1/$2 signed by a current All Pro. Absent that, can you even name one current All Pro who isn't signed and isn't expected to get a good offer? You brought it up; now (for once) you need to back it up.

Re: Player collusion in Seattle?

Originally Posted by bt12483

Huff was All Pro 2010. As was John Abraham (currently unsigned).

Nothing I say will convince you anyway.

Abraham is a hundred years old, and Huff plays one of the lowest valued positions on a football field, DIDN"T EVEN PLAY THAT POSITION LAST YEAR, and th only reported suitor not Baltimore had 50k in slaary cap space.