What I find most humerous about all the complaining is that NOBODY will get fired. Here's what's going to happen. EVERYONE will stay, the team will improve, and by 2015 - 2016 Michigan will be one of the best teams in the nation. Simple rebuilding. But you morons cannot understand that. You're too thick.

could make the same excuses. That is all they are at this point. Losing in this fashion is unacceptable in year 3. I am not ready to fire the whole staff at this point, but my confidence in whether they will ever get Michigan back to elite status is highly shaken at this point. Funk needs to be left in East Lansing though, there are other o-lines around the country dealing with youth, but yet they don't look this horrible.

You keep saying that. Wait until this year, next year, three years from now. A good coach uses what he has (especially talent like Michigan always has) and wins immediately and continues the trend. This was the year we were supposed to win big . Or is it next year? Now you say 2015 or 2016? That only shows a lack of good coaching if a program takes that long to be good.

It does NOT show a lack of good coaching, it shows how far down Michigan was when that staff took over. Again, if you cannot see it, you're not looking. I don't think Michigan has the talent that you think they have. I wish they did, but they DO NOT. Everyone thinks there is someone out there who could do better, and they discount the roster issues. Fine, but if they don't get solved, the next guy will struggle too. Then the next guy as well, and you idiots will be wringing your hands and saying, how about the NEXT guy. You're going to take the program down a very dangerous path if you do that. We're in good hands, just be patient.

When, specifically, have they had to deal with the roster issues that Michigan has had to deal with. What was the roster like when Meyer took for UF from Zook or OSU from Tressel? What about when Saban took over LSU or Bama? You think you're making a valid comparison, but with just a little research you'll realize that you're totally off base.

Then, all you whiney bitches will be right back on here proclaiming you knew it all along. You want change, well you had it and look where it took us. You're asking for ALL OVER AGAIN, and you're fucking morons! You idiots know NOTHING about how to build a football program. You CANNOT just keep hiring and firing coaches without rebuilding the talent base. It's not there. Get over it, stop being such FUCKING PUSSIES!

At least I am not a BITCH like you! All you jackasses do is fucking whine and whine and whine. You NEVER do an research, you never actually look at the causes, you just want blood and change for change sake. You know nothing, and you're asking to destroy the thing that you claim to love because the guys charged with bringing it back aren't doing it fast enough for your taste. Maybe it was farther from being what you want than you think.

I am not pretending to be a tough guy. I am saying, as I have said all along, that Michigan is suffering from roster issues, not coaching issues. I take exception to people saying that Michigan should fire Hoke when he's doing a great job in rebuilding the roster. What's so hard about that?

You called people bitches and pussies. Then you called me a bitch. You're an internet tough guy who wouldn't talk the same shit if we were in the same room so go fuck yourself. Roster issues might explain the loss, but not a manhandling like this. Just keep drinking the cool aid tough guy

Have you run out of ideas and just resorted to name calling now? I don't give a fuck what you think. You don't know shit, nobody gives a fuck about your opinion. Keep talking shit anonymously if it makes you feel good but you're not worth my time.

That's not what I asked you. What if I sat right in front of you, sipping my beer, and called you a pussy to your face? What would you (the guy calling me and internet tough guy) do then? I am curious.

Hard to say, but you'd probably lose a few teeth. It doesn't matter tho; you're a tough guy on the internet and a whiny litte bitch in real life. Keep pushing the party line and acting like a tough guy on the internet; it suits you

so you're saying that you'd knock my teeth out bacause I called you a pussy to your face, and I am the "internet tough guy." That's very mature dude. But hey, whatever floats your boat. I'll be sure to come visit you when you're in prison for assault.

You don't know me dude, and I know you think you're pretty bad ass, but I certainly am not anymore. I would hope that we could laugh about us both thinking we're gonna brawl over stupid message board crap, have a beer, and enjoy being Michigan fans together. If not, then swing away buddy, I'll take my chances.

Then why call me a bitch and a pussy because we disagree over something? You could say, 'you're dumb' or 'you don't know what you're talking about' or whatever, but without instigation, you jumped right into insulting me. How could you possibly be surprised when I took offense to that.

If you're as old as your response makes you sound, you should've developed a better vocabulary and better arguing skills by now, especially if you went to UM. And finally, people don't go to prison for punching someone. Jail maybe, prison never

I called you a bitch out of frustration. I am sick of people calling for a 3rd year coach -- who is recruiting is ass off and inherited a program coming off its historic low -- to be fired. I suppose some of this carried over from the PSU game when you got all over me -- my bad. I just happen to think that it's bitchly behavior to call for coaches to be fired the way you seem to love to do.

Sorry, I'll come visit you in jail then.

End this sillyness. We both love Michigan football, that should be enough.

Was that an apology? If so, next time just say "sorry I ran out of good arguments and called you names". I don't think hoke should be fired but I think Borges needs to go. Based on your "recruiting his ass off" comment I think you misunderstand my position because Borges doesn't recruit at all. Lastly, it's 'bitchy' behavior, not 'bitchly'.
All that being said, I accept your apology. I'm all for debate without petty name calling. you're entitled to think whatever you want, I can disagree, but I'll try to do it like an adult.

with their D performance tonight, they should have 40 against anyone. Their offense is still bad. OSU will put it to these guys. OSU has a plus offensive line, and has a full constraint based offense. Indiana did ok vs. MSU, they just don't have the athletes to win their 1v1 battles, OSU does. MSU is a perfect matchup for OSU, OSU 31-6.

Because Urban Meyer will scheme to take advantage of MSU's hyper aggressiveness. That's what he's beat at. If MSU could put up 24 on OSU I would agree with you, but OSU's defensive line is really coming on and I think they'll pressure Cook a ton.

Gardner received absolutely no help from his offensive line today, which was exactly that: offensive. Gardner was running for his life all day, and still did a great job of taking care of the football, all things considered.

Yeah Gardner missed some throws, but at the end of the day, it would've made minimal difference. You can't execute your gameplan when you have no time to even survey the damn field.

indictment on AL BORGES people. Wake up. The coming years of this offense will feature a statue QB, big RBs, and require 10-15 plays to score. It is 2013, college football is not played this way anymore, like it or not.

can't block five guys at once. I don't think he played great today, but when the rest of the line is such a shitshow one guy isn't going to make that big of a difference. Also the talking was going on from the start of the game on both sides.

I am willing to give some of the staff more time, but if that doesn't get somebody fired I don't know what will. I am looking squarely at Funk for obvious reasons, the youth excuse on the o-line only goes so far when you look as horrid as they do upfront.

This coaching staff has hit rock bottom. Almost like the RR days re-lived! If we have a chance to grab Les Miles at the end of this season or next season we should. Hoke may not be up to it. But if we cannot get a big name coach we should let Hoke go through 2016, see if he can turn it around?

Have you noticed how the last two searches went? Our first two choices "bowed out", declined interest, said no in each case. Les Miles does not want the job. Harbough did not want the job. Schiano did not want the job. I forget who the guy was / guys were the overtures or "rumor-tures" were buzzing about before him. Miles again, but I think was another before RR. So before we fire another coach -- let's consider _realistically_ who may be his replacement and what his first fully matured full cohorts may do in the year or two to come. Personally, I think RR was done -- his fault or no, the forecast had little upside. I see more positive in the forecast for Hoke (& staff). Reasonable people may differ about that, but let's learn from past that we're probably not going to get that huge name guy you want & think is going to make everything perfect by showing up

There would be plenty of coaches that would take the job if we didnt care so fuckin much about being a "michigan man".. Dave Brandon is a fuckin joke too... Being a top tier program like uofm and paying sooo much for a game i expect fuckin excellence not garbage... Urban Meyer comes in and with the same players that went 6-6 the previous year he has managed to stay undefeated... Why? What do they have more?? Easy schedule? Bullshit tired of hearing about it.. They cheat?? Fuck it i rather cheat and enjoy watching some football than be goodie two shoes and SuCk biiig time like we have been..

I like Hoke, the man. I remember watching his presser on MGoBlue and when he said "It's Michigan for Christ's sake!" I was, like, YEAH! I went to Michigan, my dad went to Michigan and my daughter is about to graduate Michigan. My whole family bleeds blue. So we were psyched about the hire - finally a Michigan man!

But the truth is, he's not head coach material. Winning at Ball State and SDSU is NOT the same as winning in the Big Ten. We're recruiting all these "alleged" 4 and 5 stars, and this is how the O line plays? This is how the D plays? It pains me to say this, but Dantonio completely and thoroughly outcoached Hoke today. This is one of the most embarrassing losses I've ever sat through.

WHAT IS THIS LOVE AFFAIR HE HAS WITH TOUSSAINT?!!! Did he successfully pick up one blitz today? Did he ever carry the ball with a sense of purpose? Does he run a 4.9 40?!!

What a colossal waste of talent. Unimaginative and completely predictable play calling. Uninspired defense. At least our kickers made their FGs.

And I'm sorry but he looks like a total buffoon standing out there with a golf shirt on, no headset, out of touch with the 21st century. You don't see Urb, Saban, Dantonio even, walking around without a headset on. This isn't getting better anytime soon. This sucks.

I dont understand this lately also, the same thing has been happening since Hoke has been the coach.. I understand he doesnt want crush these kids dreams and doesnt want to ruin their confidence BUT when u perform this bad like Tousaint has, why not put in Green? The same thing happened when Denard was around, no matter how bad he played Hoke would never pull him out