Quote valves4ever:As an old
timer and technical luddite I find all this
apps/twitter/icloud/synching/googling/texting/emailing etc etc etc to be one big income
generator for the manufacturers and suppliers at the expense of the technologically
addicted and gullible public......most of the messaging on these systems is a load of
rubbish and not worth reading or hearing.....and for the cynical out there that includes
this post.....back to my wind-up gramophone.....

I'd agree with you one one level. I find Facebook, Twitter et al a
total waste of time.

thanks for that...I see that it is yet
another facility for the technologically addicted and gullible public....

Not at all. It's a useful facility that has been
around for a long time in one form or another. It requires no outlay, effort or
understanding - it just does its thing, like MIDI. You either 'get it', or you don't! Just
like MIDI it makes my life easier! But just
like MIDI you don't need it to make some music.

It all looks a bit scary. I run a 2010 MBP i7 with SL and Logic; a 2010 octo MP with SL
and Logic, an iphone 3 (sim free as I can only get Virgin where I live), and a 2007
Carillon Core2duo with XP and Cubase 4. For me the total cost of the 'free' icloud
service would come to the best part of £1000, (new sim-free phone, Win7 upgrade, cubase
upgrade), not to mention losing the ability to run my £2k TC powercore, and worry about
some of the Logic / Lion issues folks seem to be having.

Quote basilfawlty:It all looks a
bit scary. I run a 2010 MBP i7 with SL and Logic; a 2010 octo MP with SL and Logic, an
iphone 3 (sim free as I can only get Virgin where I live), and a 2007 Carillon Core2duo
with XP and Cubase 4. For me the total cost of the 'free' icloud service would come to
the best part of £1000, (new sim-free phone, Win7 upgrade, cubase upgrade), not to
mention losing the ability to run my £2k TC powercore, and worry about some of the Logic
/ Lion issues folks seem to be having.

I can understand
the aggressive progressive approach to Apple's marketing, but it leaves a lot of folks
saying 'yeah, Apple used to be so cool, but now they're becoming 'the man''.

Things will move on and you will
eventually see how good iCloud is. people will look back on this post. .mac and mobile me
was one of apples worst moments and now people are missing it!

I have a G5 and
its 6 years old. I have come to accept that a 6 year old product may not support the
latest operating system or gadgets.

Its like me banging my CRT Television
wondering why it wont connect to the internet or work with my 3D glasses!!!

Mail rules? - If your a business get exchange, its great I use it at work and does
everything we have discus but you pay for it and it takes some setting up.

Wifi
passwords? - surely this would only be part of a laptop that you would have on you, its
not really something that is needed to be synced to a load of machines all around the
world?

I back iCloud as i have not had any problems with it and it just seems
to work. Gmail is great but you have to have a net connection. it does not allow me to
typle an email on my ipad in a remote location with no Internet then have it automatically
send when a signal is picked up. iCloud and Microsoft exchange do allow this!

Quote Gary M: Gmail is great but
you have to have a net connection. it does not allow me to typle an email on my ipad in a
remote location with no Internet then have it automatically send when a signal is picked
up. iCloud and Microsoft exchange do allow this!

Eh? If it's in your 'outbox'...You *do* know you can set up
Google Apps/Gmail as an exchange client on Apple devices...?

Quote Gary M: Gmail is great
but you have to have a net connection. it does not allow me to typle an email on my ipad
in a remote location with no Internet then have it automatically send when a signal is
picked up. iCloud and Microsoft exchange do allow this!

Eh? If it's in your 'outbox'...
You
*do* know you can set up Google Apps/Gmail as an exchange client on Apple devices...?

Am I right in thinking that's
just come out? or are you on about using the mail app and setting it up like exchange?

If so, point taken I think i was more referring to an earlier post about Gmail
having done it all and not seeing teh difference between what apple has done and what
Google already have. i suppose thinking about it there is not a lot of difference.

I have in recent years gone off Apple (user since 1989) and I only really use their
products for legacy reasons now. The 'wow' factor disappeared for me around 10 years ago
and now theres not a great deal to differentiate them from other computing product
companies. iShame.

It's a totally rock and hard place though, as i've loved Apple products for years, well
since I got into audio/video media. Windows systems just haven't interested me and I still
wouldn't want to use one. But if Apple bugger up Logic X, i'm forced to Lion that I
already don't really like that much (i'm getting towards needing a new computer for the
studio) and my MobileMe syncing is getting cut reduced I don't really know what to do.

I'm another Apple user who's starting to think the unthinkable.
Its the grey
interface of Lion thats the turning point for me.
They say it's 'unifying' the user
interface, but it just makes it more difficult to read and navigate and is a terrible
design decision by Apple.
Funny that they haven't 'unified' the IOS on the iPhones,
iPads & iPod touches to have all the same colour icons then isn't it?
Utter
nonsense.
I swear if I don't get my colour sidebar icons back in a future update
then I too will start running Windows as the primary on my Macs.
I'm able to stick
with Snow Leopard on my current hardware, but I won't be able to with future Apple
products, so this really is a deal breaker for me.
I thought pale blue icons on pale
blue folders introduced in Snow Leopard was a backwards step (it was), but this all grey
colour interface in the finder is just too much and the straw that broke the camels back
for me.
I also don't like the iCloud thing it's not seamless at all as Apple
infer.
I still perform my own backups thanks and it's not hard keeping calendars and
address books synced across devices. I use Dropbox for my online storage which integrates
brilliantly on a Mac AND PC.
I love my Mac Pro & MacBook Pro, but if things keep
going downhill OS wise as they are at the moment, then I'll jump before I'm pushed.
Windows 7 is actually alright!

Its the
grey interface of Lion thats the turning point for me.They say it's 'unifying' the
user interface, but it just makes it more difficult to read and navigate and is a terrible
design decision by Apple.

Agreed. For the life of me, I can't understand why anyone would want a grey-in-grey
interface. Coloured icons assist with finding folders quickly, and a little colour here
and there looks appealing anyway.

I really wonder who these high-end graphics
artists are who come up with such amateurish looking colour schemes. With every new
iteration of OS X, simple things like contrast get worse and worse. Or iTunes with its
horrible transport buttons... Freeware such as Miro looks a great deal more professional
than that.

Quote valves4ever:As an old
timer and technical luddite I find all this
apps/twitter/icloud/synching/googling/texting/emailing etc etc etc to be one big income
generator for the manufacturers and suppliers at the expense of the technologically
addicted and gullible public......most of the messaging on these systems is a load of
rubbish and not worth reading or hearing.....and for the cynical out there that includes
this post.....back to my wind-up gramophone.....

Not being a neophile I agree totally. Simply because there are
more ways of communicating messages doesn't mean they become intrinsically more
interesting. Coming home from work on the train the other day was an example - a full 50
minutes sat next to a woman making a call and me being being privy to the most
excrutiatingly mundane and trite claptrap regarding a cohort of her BTEC students and
their results.

The conversation consisting of nothing but ancient cliches and
feigned gasps of surprise on her part. Where on earth does one get the opportunity to be
contemplative these days when we are deluged by an unremitting flow of ubertosh that we
all have to listen to - bah!

Its the
grey interface of Lion thats the turning point for me.They say it's 'unifying' the
user interface, but it just makes it more difficult to read and navigate and is a terrible
design decision by Apple.

Agreed. For the life of me, I can't understand why anyone would want a grey-in-grey
interface. Coloured icons assist with finding folders quickly, and a little colour here
and there looks appealing anyway.

I really wonder who these high-end graphics
artists are who come up with such amateurish looking colour schemes. With every new
iteration of OS X, simple things like contrast get worse and worse. Or iTunes with its
horrible transport buttons... Freeware such as Miro looks a great deal more professional
than that.

I redesigned a
friend's website the other day. She thought it didn't look "modern" enough. We
eventually discovered that, for her, "modern" meant "grey". Fine, I can do grey....

Last year everyone wanted lots of Flash. Thank goodness THAT'S out of fashion.

iCloud.... OK. Google Chrome and the Google family: rules! I just need to log in on any
computer in the world on GC and voila', all my bookmarks, shortcuts and preferences are
there. GMail collects all my mail from 5 different 'places' and let me send them
with the address I choose. And then there are Docs, video, maps, translate (so useful!)..

For 'collaborations' and back up I also use Dropbox. Immense. Never fails.

iCloud exist, yes maybe to help.. and it's free, but also to force you to buy more
Apple gear. I don't fall for that... iTunes is pants.

Sorry, what is the point? Some smart phones, which I don't use since I use phones for
calling, cameras for pictures, and computers.. for computing (and GPS in the car!), will
log your Goggle search (not worrying at al) and email addresses (worrying 1% more). And
it's not 'Google's' fault.
But even so, so what? 99.99 of my internet searches are
totally non-private (mostly for work, or finding an airline or traintimes) and the one I
would make, maybe of medical or personal nature, I would use my own safe computer at home
anyway, not while walking through Leicester Sq.!

As per the email addresses,
it's hardly a secret... I can give you all my email addresses if you want... actually I
advertise them in all my websites AND I include it when I write to anyone...
What's
the problem..?

Anyway, again, this is a problem with some phones, not private
computers.

My name is Roberto, and yes, I am not paranoid.

By
the way, since buying an iPod with wifi, and downloading Apps, my rubbish "bin" email
address has been inundated with spam! I am glad to see Apple keeping a vigilant eye on
these things..

Still in SL..... Everything works fine for me... I am musician... not a robot (Zone 1 and
2) on a iPhone (or whatever new gadget is out there). I mentioned that before..when I am
on the stage performing... I don't want to look like an idiot when the "little brother"
crashes, just because somebody can't sort there [ ****** ] out and come up with an
appropriate and decent software version of plug in or DAW in respect... Don't forget... we
are still yet compromising quality because of the pressure to reduce CPU demands. If
anything better comes that proves wrong, whether is a new system or plug in or
whatever...then I am on board...

Quote XELATER:Still in SL.....
Everything works fine for me... I am musician... not a robot (Zone 1 and 2) on a iPhone
(or whatever new gadget is out there). I mentioned that before..when I am on the stage
performing... I don't want to look like an idiot when the "little brother" crashes, just
because somebody can't sort there [ ****** ] out and come up with an appropriate and
decent software version of plug in or DAW in respect... Don't forget... we are still yet
compromising quality because of the pressure to reduce CPU demands. If anything better
comes that proves wrong, whether is a new system or plug in or whatever...then I am on
board...

Eh.. What has this
got to do with iCloud? And for that matter, why have you reposted this exact same
thing in another thread? It's scarcely relevant in either