pokerspot, dutch boyd, and burton ritchie

In article <3f3175c5$0$15229$9a6e...@news.newshosting.com>,Mister Poker <anon...@yahoo.com> wrote:>Regarding the opportunity to make players whole and choosing not too, I'm>assuming you are talking about the deal Burton Ritchie made public after I>criticized Paul Westley. The reason that deal did not go down had a lot>more to it then a non-compete clause.

The deal in question can be found here. A lot of people may havemissed it the first time around since it's buried in a thread.

Dutch, it would appear from my vantage point that you don't haveanything to lose by revealing what "more to it" that deal had thatmade it fall through. Even as bad as your reputation is already, youstarted looking a thousand times worse when it was plausibly allegedthat you were offered an escape route that would have paid everyone themoney they were owed, and left you with some money for your troubles.

You may believe that you have already been judged by rgp, and that'sprobably true, but that doesn't mean you give up on presenting your sideof the story if you believe you have been judged unfairly.

The reason that deal didn't go through was because Golden Palace offeredus 3x times what Burton offered us. I signed the deal and moved toMontreal to work with them. Four months later they pulled out of thecontract. When they did, I contacted Burton and asked if he was stillinterested in doing something. He said he wasn't.

Mister Poker <anon...@yahoo.com> wrote:>The reason that deal didn't go through was because Golden Palace offered>us 3x times what Burton offered us. I signed the deal and moved to>Montreal to work with them. Four months later they pulled out of the>contract. When they did, I contacted Burton and asked if he was still>interested in doing something. He said he wasn't.

Hard to tell from here whether the bird in the hand was any more or lesslikely to fall through than the one in the bush, but that sounds too muchlike you chose to gamble with $400,000 that wasn't yours. And lost.

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As a law graduate, surely you didn't sign a contract and move to Montrealwithout "upfront" money. Do you do due diligence and determine that they couldindeed come through with 3x's the money Burton offered and what recourse youhad to sue if they failed to live up to the contract? Did you sue? Did youreceive any upfront money? Was there any provision to pay back those withmoney on deposit with PokerSpot? And, if so was any of that money given at thefront end of the deal.. if not, why not? And if no money was ever allocated todepositers of PokerSpot, why not?

>he reason that deal didn't go through was because Golden Palace offered>>us 3x times what Burton offered us. I signed the deal and moved to>>Montreal to work with them. Four months later they pulled out of the>>contract.

>In article <3f3175c5$0$15229$9a6e...@news.newshosting.com>,>Mister Poker <anon...@yahoo.com> wrote:>>Regarding the opportunity to make players whole and choosing nottoo, I'm>>assuming you are talking about the deal Burton Ritchie made publicafter I>>criticized Paul Westley. The reason that deal did not go down had alot>>more to it then a non-compete clause.>>The deal in question can be found here. A lot of people may have>missed it the first time around since it's buried in a thread.>> http://tinyurl.com/j8bh>>Dutch, it would appear from my vantage point that you don't have>anything to lose by revealing what "more to it" that deal had that>made it fall through. Even as bad as your reputation is already, you>started looking a thousand times worse when it was plausibly alleged>that you were offered an escape route that would have paid everyonethe>money they were owed, and left you with some money for your troubles.>>You may believe that you have already been judged by rgp, and that's>probably true, but that doesn't mean you give up on presenting yourside>of the story if you believe you have been judged unfairly.>

It really doesn't matter what the deal was. He was using customermonies as working capital. He wasn't doing adequate screening toprotect against rampant credit card fraud. And it blew up.

Must have been some "deal" that you signed. What a bunch of crap. I dontbelieve you are a lawyer and doubt seriously if you have ANY degree from areputable university. I made a prediction when you had a big stack of chips -- Isaid you were a loser and that you would find a way to lose. I wont comment onyour play - just to say if that had worked you would have found another way tolose. At one time you might have gotten away with some of your yarns. You havetold so many now I dont think you know which are true and which are dreams. Youare a rail bird preying on people who will believe your stories and scams.Perhaps at one time you had good intentions but you will never have the characterto follow up. You word is no good and you live by the ratchet jaw con that hasgotten your by so far. Believe this, the poker world is not that big -- thenumber of suckers are that you may feed on is getting smaller and smaller. Bynow I am sure Moneymaker has heard about you and I doubt he would be so politetoday.

Tell us another story about how none of it was your fault and gives us your newplan

The Burton Ritchie deal wasn't "in the hand" anymore or less than theGolden Palace deal was. In fact, I feel the GP deal was less likely tofall through given that they have a yearly take of about $50m / year andall Burton Ritchie had was a couple headshops in Florida.

>The Burton Ritchie deal wasn't "in the hand" anymore or less than the

>Golden Palace deal was. In fact, I feel the GP deal was less likelyto>fall through given that they have a yearly take of about $50m / yearand>all Burton Ritchie had was a couple headshops in Florida.>

I gotta hand it to Dutch Boyd's crew, though. They already have revolutionizedpoker. Boyd's boys were pioneers in the art of fleecing online players, andfor that they will go down in poker history like the riverboat conmen andholdout artists.

I thoroughly agree. Russ "Dutch Boyd" is nothing more than an educated scamartist.Believe me when our paths cross, which they eventually will he will know it.He continues to flaunt the fact he bilked 100's of peoples money and willcontinue to do so.I can hardly wait for this new online poker room he is starting. Any idiotthat plays there will need their head examined. Just watch your back Boydyou are a loser waiting for your last loss to occur.

> The reason that deal didn't go through was because Golden Palace> offered us 3x times what Burton offered us. I signed the deal and> moved to Montreal to work with them. Four months later they> pulled out of the contract. When they did, I contacted Burton and> asked if he was still interested in doing something. He said he wasn't.

Russ...wow...must've been a pretty lousy "deal/contract" that you signed there-- did you have a lawyer review it first?! And as you gain more life experience,you'll come to see that hot-shot whiz-kids are 'a dime a dozen' in this world,and that while some can perpetuate their own self-delusions for a while bysurrounding themselves with a 'crew' of sycophants, only very few can reallymake a lifetime 'career' of it -- coming to mind in that regard would be the likesof P. T. Barnum, Don King, Bill Clinton, Mike Caro...