StashMonster:Oh god when will people learn that the vast majority of psych patients are not dangerous at all? Things like this mainly just dehumanise patients even further and make them even less trusting of the doctors. At the moment in the UK Community Treatment Orders are already being misused to force people to take medications that they don't want, regardless of their potential dangerousness. That might not seem like such a bad thing, if you have never actually had to take the stuff. The law was originally intended to deal with "dangerous" people, but of course that's not how it is actually being used at all ...

I will go all serious mode in this reply, as I have dealt with many ill folks over the years.One thing that keeps happening is the patients that are stable on meds and treated outpatient- stop taking the meds.Its not an issue of cost, they just dont want to take the pills.And, in my case- I had to rescue a friend from her friend before he killed her.He ended up kicking a window out of a police cruiser and jumping, tucking in and rolling at about 53 mph.Yes, they had to tase him, a couple of times.This is not an isolated thing, I just gave you one instance that I have been involved with.Do you have a solution ? Most folks are just depressed, and take the pills, and live normal lives.Many do not. Here, in the US, we have a majority of homeless people who need serious help, but folks just look at them begging for change and think "i'll roll up my window now" . We dont have the beds or facilities, and most end up in the correctional system where they have a slim to zero chance of getting help.Do you have a plan ?I would love to here it.

Oh god when will people learn that the vast majority of psych patients are not dangerous at all? Things like this mainly just dehumanise patients even further and make them even less trusting of the doctors. At the moment in the UK Community Treatment Orders are already being misused to force people to take medications that they don't want, regardless of their potential dangerousness. That might not seem like such a bad thing, if you have never actually had to take the stuff. The law was originally intended to deal with "dangerous" people, but of course that's not how it is actually being used at all ...

semiotix:New invention allows doctors to track the medication of mental patients as it flows through your body and doctors can watch you do your dirty, dirty things you whore. Kill them all. Kill them all

Yeah, yeah, we all so crazy on Fark.

But seriously--you think that's messed up? They've got this invention now that can track whether mental patients are taking their meds.

I'm sorry, but that is crossing a line. Whatever happened to treating patients with some dignity? It's like, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest came out, and we had about five minutes where we saw mental health patients as human beings. And now we're back to this.

And the worst part is, that's not even the extent of it. I heard somewhere they've got ways to actually track medications so they know if people are taking their meds or not.

And this is exactly why nothing will ever get done about the dangerously mentally ill. The idea on the part of some that if we do anything to keep a violently mentally ill person in check, we're no longer treating them like "human beings". Around these here parts, we had two major situations that involved mentally ill people killing six people each and the common thread through both stories was that neither would participate in properly taking their meds. Also, in both cases, there was behavior before the actual incidents which could have led to the two mentally ill people being incarcerated which would have likely prevented the deaths of their victims. But the families did everything they could to keep them out of jail and they succeeded. To the detriment of the eventual victims.

As a result of these two incidents, and others which have the same kind of common thread, I'm all for finding ways to get these people to take their damn meds and for loosening restrictions on involuntary commitments.

TRACKING IT---NO-----Making it a slow release shot like Deprovera YES. Mental patients are already paranoid. Tell them you are going to track medicine and they will all freak and stop taking it causing mass hysteria. If it were only as funny as dogs and cats living together.

I'm personally a fan of monthly Haldol Decanoate shots, where if the patient fails to show up for their shot, the police go find them, and bring them into the agency that provides the shot. There's also long-acting Risperdal, Prolixin, and Invega shots available as well if the patient doesn't tolerate Haldol well.

The problem is that getting the patient onto such a schedule means that they have to pretty much have done something violent already, because otherwise it's unlikely you'll win the case in court, regardless of how disorganized and psychotic the patient may appear. The orders expire after one year as well, which really ignores the whole concept of "chronically and severely mentally ill."

On meds for mental illness, so this is relevant. And my reaction is aw hell naw. Some of those drugs can have gnarly side effects, and you have to stop using them right away. I'd really rather not get the police storming my house just because I stopped taking a med because I'm about ready to kill myself.

I'd be willing to make an exception for the violent offenders though (and no, I'm not violent. PTSD just makes me cry and run and hide. I'm not likely to kill anyone.)

Dallymo:"Would" track meds? They're doing it now. Tracking my meds. RIGHT NOW. Oh, they'll deny it. I see how they look at me when I tell them to STOP TRACKING MY MEDS with their tiny, tiny transmitters.

Naw...I don't even have a doctor, and all I ever take is vitamin D and benadryl.

/that's what makes it so INSIDIOUS! You bastards!

They're in your teeth, Daily. But YOU can stop 'em. Just use a hammer and a screwdriver!

Peki:On meds for mental illness, so this is relevant. And my reaction is aw hell naw. Some of those drugs can have gnarly side effects, and you have to stop using them right away. I'd really rather not get the police storming my house just because I stopped taking a med because I'm about ready to kill myself.

I'd be willing to make an exception for the violent offenders though (and no, I'm not violent. PTSD just makes me cry and run and hide. I'm not likely to kill anyone.)

The other problem I see (being a med-taker myself) is that it would be better to have people coming in to get blood tested to ensure compliance if people are that "concerned" about it. You know, so patients can see an actual person who can assess them, see how they're doing, ask if there are any problems, do they need any other services, stuff like that.

What this is REALLY all about is so social services don't have to deal with icky mental patients because they're so hard to talk to and sometimes they smell bad.

On a serious note, the reason why we swing so hard in the direction of not forcibly medicating and institutionalizing is because those things are so widely abused. I don't mean in the 1800s or the 1920s, I mean current cases like Meyer v. Board of County Commissioners of Harper County, Oklahoma.

Seems the more people work towards a gun control agenda, the more rights we are going to lose. Want safety? Well here is a soldier who is going to live with you and watch your actions for your own good.

The 4chan Psychiatrist:I'm personally a fan of monthly Haldol Decanoate shots, where if the patient fails to show up for their shot, the police go find them, and bring them into the agency that provides the shot. There's also long-acting Risperdal, Prolixin, and Invega shots available as well if the patient doesn't tolerate Haldol well.

The problem is that getting the patient onto such a schedule means that they have to pretty much have done something violent already, because otherwise it's unlikely you'll win the case in court, regardless of how disorganized and psychotic the patient may appear. The orders expire after one year as well, which really ignores the whole concept of "chronically and severely mentally ill."

New invention allows doctors to track the medication of mental patients as it flows through your body and doctors can watch you do your dirty, dirty things you whore. Kill them all. Kill them all

Yeah, yeah, we all so crazy on Fark.

But seriously--you think that's messed up? They've got this invention now that can track whether mental patients are taking their meds.

I'm sorry, but that is crossing a line. Whatever happened to treating patients with some dignity? It's like, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest came out, and we had about five minutes where we saw mental health patients as human beings. And now we're back to this.

And the worst part is, that's not even the extent of it. I heard somewhere they've got ways to actually track medications so they know if people are taking their meds or not.

BronyMedic:Dallymo: "Would" track meds? They're doing it now. Tracking my meds. RIGHT NOW. Oh, they'll deny it. I see how they look at me when I tell them to STOP TRACKING MY MEDS with their tiny, tiny transmitters.

Naw...I don't even have a doctor, and all I ever take is vitamin D and benadryl.

/that's what makes it so INSIDIOUS! You bastards!

They're in your teeth, Daily. But YOU can stop 'em. Just use a hammer and a screwdriver!

Hmm. This guy's a medic...sounds legit!

I am a little suspicious of your timing, though, because I got an email from my dentist's office today, telling me to call for an appointment.