UKIP could target Tory’s Sussex seat

UKIP campaigners are quietly confident that a former Government minister’s Sussex constituency could be among their first parliamentary seats next May.

Leaked polling documents have indicated that Tim Loughton’s East Worthing and Shoreham is one of the seats Ukip will target next year.

While Ukip is yet to officially confirm it will target the Sussex seat, local party members hope success at recent European and local elections will be repeated on the national stage.

Victory for Ukip candidate Michael Glennon would represent a major turnaround from 2010 when he finished fourth with just 3,000 votes.

Councillor Glennon said if the East Worthing and Shoreham seat was confirmed as a target by his party, it could radically alter his campaign.

He said: “Spending limits for elections are about £30,000 per constituency and I can’t pretend that myself and my Ukip chums have that sort of money to slap on the table.

“But as a target seat, for one of our donors such as Paul Sykes, £30,000 is pocket money and to have him standing behind you would mean campaigning doubly hard, trebly hard.”

Coun Glennon, who won a seat on West Sussex County Council last year, said target seats were chosen based on previous voting statistics, burning local issues and a hard-working party.

He said: “There is a big Conservative majority but the whole area of politics is changing radically.

“The old spectrum of left wing and right wing has changed to whether you support an independent Britain or being subsumed within the European superstate.”

Ken Bishop, Ukip Adur councillor for Southlands ward, said it would be “one hell of an uphill climb” to overturn Mr Loughton’s 11,000 plus majority and “a change in the mindset” of local voters.

He said: “By no stretch of the imagination are we saying that Nigel Farage will be asked by The Queen to form a new government next year but there are going to be Ukip MPs and possibly Shoreham and East Worthing could be one of them.”

A spokesman from the Ukip central office said he was unable to confirm the details of the leaked polling information.

With minor parties splitting the vote, the only chance for England is the Scottish people voting for independence next month.
That should ensure that we never again have a majority Labour government to drag us down further.

With minor parties splitting the vote, the only chance for England is the Scottish people voting for independence next month.
That should ensure that we never again have a majority Labour government to drag us down further.Sussex jim

HJarrs wrote:
UKIP strangely quiet on the TTIP trade agreement that could sign away a significant chunk of sovereignty. Why is this?

Mainly because it doesn't?

[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote:
UKIP strangely quiet on the TTIP trade agreement that could sign away a significant chunk of sovereignty. Why is this?[/p][/quote]Mainly because it doesn't?ok,jared

On the day when it's revealed that public school/Oxbridge graduates take all the top jobs, and meritocracy is at it's lowest in decades let's welcome anything that destoys the smug upper middle class establishment.

On the day when it's revealed that public school/Oxbridge graduates take all the top jobs, and meritocracy is at it's lowest in decades let's welcome anything that destoys the smug upper middle class establishment.s&k

Sussex jim wrote:
With minor parties splitting the vote, the only chance for England is the Scottish people voting for independence next month.
That should ensure that we never again have a majority Labour government to drag us down further.

well said sadly don't see it happening.

[quote][p][bold]Sussex jim[/bold] wrote:
With minor parties splitting the vote, the only chance for England is the Scottish people voting for independence next month.
That should ensure that we never again have a majority Labour government to drag us down further.[/p][/quote]well said sadly don't see it happening.tinker111

The fact that almost 1 million immigrants will come this year equals extra mouths to feed, housing to find and jobs to go to, not to mention the babies, relatives that follow and requirements for social services, water and environmental impacts.
This is one reason UKip want to change the status quo.

The fact that almost 1 million immigrants will come this year equals extra mouths to feed, housing to find and jobs to go to, not to mention the babies, relatives that follow and requirements for social services, water and environmental impacts.
This is one reason UKip want to change the status quo.Nosfaratu

HJarrs wrote:
UKIP strangely quiet on the TTIP trade agreement that could sign away a significant chunk of sovereignty. Why is this?

Mainly because it doesn't?

Wrong answer. UKIP are just as tied to big business interests as the Tories, out to divide the ordinary people and rule them.
Vote UKIP. Be a turkey and vote for Christmas.

[quote][p][bold]ok,jared[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote:
UKIP strangely quiet on the TTIP trade agreement that could sign away a significant chunk of sovereignty. Why is this?[/p][/quote]Mainly because it doesn't?[/p][/quote]Wrong answer. UKIP are just as tied to big business interests as the Tories, out to divide the ordinary people and rule them.
Vote UKIP. Be a turkey and vote for Christmas.redwing

HJarrs wrote:
UKIP strangely quiet on the TTIP trade agreement that could sign away a significant chunk of sovereignty. Why is this?

Mainly because it doesn't?

Wrong answer. UKIP are just as tied to big business interests as the Tories, out to divide the ordinary people and rule them.
Vote UKIP. Be a turkey and vote for Christmas.

Feel free to explain how TTIP could sign away a significant chunk of sovereignty.

Bear in mind that at the moment, we don't have our sovereignty.

[quote][p][bold]redwing[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]ok,jared[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote:
UKIP strangely quiet on the TTIP trade agreement that could sign away a significant chunk of sovereignty. Why is this?[/p][/quote]Mainly because it doesn't?[/p][/quote]Wrong answer. UKIP are just as tied to big business interests as the Tories, out to divide the ordinary people and rule them.
Vote UKIP. Be a turkey and vote for Christmas.[/p][/quote]Feel free to explain how TTIP could sign away a significant chunk of sovereignty.
Bear in mind that at the moment, we don't have our sovereignty.ok,jared

s&amp;k wrote:
On the day when it's revealed that public school/Oxbridge graduates take all the top jobs, and meritocracy is at it's lowest in decades let's welcome anything that destoys the smug upper middle class establishment.

So Farage isn't smug or middle class? Come off it.

[quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote:
On the day when it's revealed that public school/Oxbridge graduates take all the top jobs, and meritocracy is at it's lowest in decades let's welcome anything that destoys the smug upper middle class establishment.[/p][/quote]So Farage isn't smug or middle class? Come off it.her professional

My advice to anyone interested in seeing Mike Glennon returned as UKIP MP for Shoreham & Adur is this:

Become a member of UKIP (if you are not already) & contact the East Worthing Brunch. If you are able to deliver leaflets that would be welcomed. Canvassing, fund raising & any organizational skills also welcomed. It isn't enough just to vote UKIP. If you want change you have to fight for it. This means convincing the good people of Worthing & Shoreham that victory can be achieved & common sense, decency and democracy can once again prevail.

Join UKIP ( The People's Army) & see what you can do !

My advice to anyone interested in seeing Mike Glennon returned as UKIP MP for Shoreham & Adur is this:
Become a member of UKIP (if you are not already) & contact the East Worthing Brunch. If you are able to deliver leaflets that would be welcomed. Canvassing, fund raising & any organizational skills also welcomed. It isn't enough just to vote UKIP. If you want change you have to fight for it. This means convincing the good people of Worthing & Shoreham that victory can be achieved & common sense, decency and democracy can once again prevail.
Join UKIP ( The People's Army) & see what you can do !Kirk D

michael505 wrote:
UKIP has my vote. I have contacted Mr Loughton many times and his responses have been very rude. He doesn't answer in good time and when you try and be polite he throws it back in your face.

Tim Loughton is quite famous for this. Who does he think he is, and why does he do it? I'm inclined to be a Tory, but where Tim Loughton is concerned, I'd happily make an exception. When he speaks on TV, he has a natural narcissism that is quite creepy. He might be articulate, but he hasn't got Michael Portillo's charm. I think there is something to be had with the fact that his ministerial career was so short lived.

[quote][p][bold]michael505[/bold] wrote:
UKIP has my vote. I have contacted Mr Loughton many times and his responses have been very rude. He doesn't answer in good time and when you try and be polite he throws it back in your face.[/p][/quote]Tim Loughton is quite famous for this. Who does he think he is, and why does he do it? I'm inclined to be a Tory, but where Tim Loughton is concerned, I'd happily make an exception. When he speaks on TV, he has a natural narcissism that is quite creepy. He might be articulate, but he hasn't got Michael Portillo's charm. I think there is something to be had with the fact that his ministerial career was so short lived.theargusissoinformative

So that's the Worthing & Shoreham vote sorted, now what about the slimy Green things in Brighton, anybody interested in standing for what is common sense and for the people of B&H not for the itinerant hippy lefty students who have taken over the running of this City.
UKip will turn this City around, forget Labour or the Conservatives, they are only interested in London & the North, we are on our own, we have to build this City back up to where it belongs, its not a Party venue for druggies and minorities, its a multicultural society.

So that's the Worthing & Shoreham vote sorted, now what about the slimy Green things in Brighton, anybody interested in standing for what is common sense and for the people of B&H not for the itinerant hippy lefty students who have taken over the running of this City.
UKip will turn this City around, forget Labour or the Conservatives, they are only interested in London & the North, we are on our own, we have to build this City back up to where it belongs, its not a Party venue for druggies and minorities, its a multicultural society.Nosfaratu

Hjarrs, there's no mystery to the UKIP position on TTIP ! UKIP are utterly opposed to a European trade delegation making deals with. the US on our behalf. UKIP maintain that Britain should once again take up its vacant seat on the World Trade Organization.

For further information about how Britain can successfully trade with the World.......& make her own deals which would not include TTIP, follow the link:

http://www.ukip.org/
out_of_the_eu_into_t
he_world_report

Hjarrs, there's no mystery to the UKIP position on TTIP ! UKIP are utterly opposed to a European trade delegation making deals with. the US on our behalf. UKIP maintain that Britain should once again take up its vacant seat on the World Trade Organization.
For further information about how Britain can successfully trade with the World.......& make her own deals which would not include TTIP, follow the link:
http://www.ukip.org/
out_of_the_eu_into_t
he_world_reportKirk D

sweetnigel wrote:
First its Clacton, now maybe my old home town of Shoreham-by-sea?
What's with coastal towns swinging to the right?

Er......the Tories are the party of choice at the moment.

They were 'right wing' the last time I checked.

[quote][p][bold]sweetnigel[/bold] wrote:
First its Clacton, now maybe my old home town of Shoreham-by-sea?
What's with coastal towns swinging to the right?[/p][/quote]Er......the Tories are the party of choice at the moment.
They were 'right wing' the last time I checked.ok,jared

sweetnigel wrote:
First its Clacton, now maybe my old home town of Shoreham-by-sea?
What's with coastal towns swinging to the right?

Er......the Tories are the party of choice at the moment.

They were 'right wing' the last time I checked.

I see that 26 people have shown their anger at me posting facts again, lol.

[quote][p][bold]ok,jared[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]sweetnigel[/bold] wrote:
First its Clacton, now maybe my old home town of Shoreham-by-sea?
What's with coastal towns swinging to the right?[/p][/quote]Er......the Tories are the party of choice at the moment.
They were 'right wing' the last time I checked.[/p][/quote]I see that 26 people have shown their anger at me posting facts again, lol.ok,jared

s&amp;k wrote: On the day when it's revealed that public school/Oxbridge graduates take all the top jobs, and meritocracy is at it's lowest in decades let's welcome anything that destoys the smug upper middle class establishment.

So Farage isn't smug or middle class? Come off it.

He's no worse than the self serving public school idiots that proliferate in British politics. Don't get me wrong there's good MPs from all parties but they are not the majority and do not adequately reflect the populace.

[quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: On the day when it's revealed that public school/Oxbridge graduates take all the top jobs, and meritocracy is at it's lowest in decades let's welcome anything that destoys the smug upper middle class establishment.[/p][/quote]So Farage isn't smug or middle class? Come off it.[/p][/quote]He's no worse than the self serving public school idiots that proliferate in British politics. Don't get me wrong there's good MPs from all parties but they are not the majority and do not adequately reflect the populace.s&k

s&amp;k wrote: On the day when it's revealed that public school/Oxbridge graduates take all the top jobs, and meritocracy is at it's lowest in decades let's welcome anything that destoys the smug upper middle class establishment.

So Farage isn't smug or middle class? Come off it.

He's no worse than the self serving public school idiots that proliferate in British politics. Don't get me wrong there's good MPs from all parties but they are not the majority and do not adequately reflect the populace.

Why does an MP have to 'reflect the populace'?

[quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: On the day when it's revealed that public school/Oxbridge graduates take all the top jobs, and meritocracy is at it's lowest in decades let's welcome anything that destoys the smug upper middle class establishment.[/p][/quote]So Farage isn't smug or middle class? Come off it.[/p][/quote]He's no worse than the self serving public school idiots that proliferate in British politics. Don't get me wrong there's good MPs from all parties but they are not the majority and do not adequately reflect the populace.[/p][/quote]Why does an MP have to 'reflect the populace'?ok,jared

Green have an agenda to return us to the stone age, Labour will pander to the Unions demands and their need to spend loads of our money, Conservatives talk a good game but are only interested in maintaining the status quo of bankers and big business. UKIP want to make GB a better place for us to live, REGARDLESS of any perceived 'class'

Green have an agenda to return us to the stone age, Labour will pander to the Unions demands and their need to spend loads of our money, Conservatives talk a good game but are only interested in maintaining the status quo of bankers and big business. UKIP want to make GB a better place for us to live, REGARDLESS of any perceived 'class'rayellerton

Kirk D wrote:
Hjarrs, there's no mystery to the UKIP position on TTIP ! UKIP are utterly opposed to a European trade delegation making deals with. the US on our behalf. UKIP maintain that Britain should once again take up its vacant seat on the World Trade Organization.

For further information about how Britain can successfully trade with the World.......&amp; make her own deals which would not include TTIP, follow the link:

http://www.ukip.org/

out_of_the_eu_into_t

he_world_report

Well, a quick squint at the report shows that TTIP is not covered. I quite understand UKIP's position on disagreeing with EU wide negotiation on trade deals, but this brings me no further. Why are UKIP so quiet on a trade deal that could force our hand on GM crops, or corporations able to sue member states (but individuals and countries do not have reciprocal agreements) for example?

This is a trade deal primarily about protecting corporate inteterests before those of ordinary people. Not a peep from UKIP.

[quote][p][bold]Kirk D[/bold] wrote:
Hjarrs, there's no mystery to the UKIP position on TTIP ! UKIP are utterly opposed to a European trade delegation making deals with. the US on our behalf. UKIP maintain that Britain should once again take up its vacant seat on the World Trade Organization.
For further information about how Britain can successfully trade with the World.......& make her own deals which would not include TTIP, follow the link:
http://www.ukip.org/
out_of_the_eu_into_t
he_world_report[/p][/quote]Well, a quick squint at the report shows that TTIP is not covered. I quite understand UKIP's position on disagreeing with EU wide negotiation on trade deals, but this brings me no further. Why are UKIP so quiet on a trade deal that could force our hand on GM crops, or corporations able to sue member states (but individuals and countries do not have reciprocal agreements) for example?
This is a trade deal primarily about protecting corporate inteterests before those of ordinary people. Not a peep from UKIP.HJarrs

Kirk D wrote:
Hjarrs, there's no mystery to the UKIP position on TTIP ! UKIP are utterly opposed to a European trade delegation making deals with. the US on our behalf. UKIP maintain that Britain should once again take up its vacant seat on the World Trade Organization.

For further information about how Britain can successfully trade with the World.......&amp; make her own deals which would not include TTIP, follow the link:

http://www.ukip.org/

out_of_the_eu_into_t

he_world_report

Well, a quick squint at the report shows that TTIP is not covered. I quite understand UKIP's position on disagreeing with EU wide negotiation on trade deals, but this brings me no further. Why are UKIP so quiet on a trade deal that could force our hand on GM crops, or corporations able to sue member states (but individuals and countries do not have reciprocal agreements) for example?

This is a trade deal primarily about protecting corporate inteterests before those of ordinary people. Not a peep from UKIP.

[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Kirk D[/bold] wrote:
Hjarrs, there's no mystery to the UKIP position on TTIP ! UKIP are utterly opposed to a European trade delegation making deals with. the US on our behalf. UKIP maintain that Britain should once again take up its vacant seat on the World Trade Organization.
For further information about how Britain can successfully trade with the World.......& make her own deals which would not include TTIP, follow the link:
http://www.ukip.org/
out_of_the_eu_into_t
he_world_report[/p][/quote]Well, a quick squint at the report shows that TTIP is not covered. I quite understand UKIP's position on disagreeing with EU wide negotiation on trade deals, but this brings me no further. Why are UKIP so quiet on a trade deal that could force our hand on GM crops, or corporations able to sue member states (but individuals and countries do not have reciprocal agreements) for example?
This is a trade deal primarily about protecting corporate inteterests before those of ordinary people. Not a peep from UKIP.[/p][/quote]That's because the debate within UKIP is still continuing.
http://www.ukipdaily
.com/ukip-welcome-pr
oposed-free-trade-ag
reement-european-uni
on-us/#.U_9gAmNAKVook,jared

tinker111 wrote:
Just wish that Ukip had top candidate for Hove &amp; Portslade need a big push here.

UKIP's candidate for Hove and Portslade is an ex Barrister and serving Baptist Minister which will bring an interesting dimension. Dominic Gieve (ex Attorney General fired recenlty by Cameron) and Nigel Farage have both been commenting on the loss of our Judeo-Christian Heritage recently which is the basis of our liberal-democracy and "inalienable" freedoms of speech, consceince, religion and assembly. It is what the EU and the liberal-left wish to remove in favour of handing the state the power to define "the good."

Brighton Kemptown have a strong local councillor and former Mayor who is much liked in hsi own town of Peacehaven.

Brighton Pavillion have a veteran UKIP candidate with a professional marketing consultancy background.

All three candidates are high quality and as both Hove and Portslade and Brighton-Kemptown are marginals, UKIP will do extremenly well once their candidates start the campaign in earnest after the conference in September.

Doug Carswell will not be the only MP to come over to UKIP. Several Sussex councillors plan to make the move soon adding to momentum.

The contry is ready for a chnage form the old establishment parties and the Westminster elite.

[quote][p][bold]tinker111[/bold] wrote:
Just wish that Ukip had top candidate for Hove & Portslade need a big push here.[/p][/quote]UKIP's candidate for Hove and Portslade is an ex Barrister and serving Baptist Minister which will bring an interesting dimension. Dominic Gieve (ex Attorney General fired recenlty by Cameron) and Nigel Farage have both been commenting on the loss of our Judeo-Christian Heritage recently which is the basis of our liberal-democracy and "inalienable" freedoms of speech, consceince, religion and assembly. It is what the EU and the liberal-left wish to remove in favour of handing the state the power to define "the good."
Brighton Kemptown have a strong local councillor and former Mayor who is much liked in hsi own town of Peacehaven.
Brighton Pavillion have a veteran UKIP candidate with a professional marketing consultancy background.
All three candidates are high quality and as both Hove and Portslade and Brighton-Kemptown are marginals, UKIP will do extremenly well once their candidates start the campaign in earnest after the conference in September.
Doug Carswell will not be the only MP to come over to UKIP. Several Sussex councillors plan to make the move soon adding to momentum.
The contry is ready for a chnage form the old establishment parties and the Westminster elite.Libertarian Patriot

rayellerton wrote:
Green have an agenda to return us to the stone age, Labour will pander to the Unions demands and their need to spend loads of our money, Conservatives talk a good game but are only interested in maintaining the status quo of bankers and big business. UKIP want to make GB a better place for us to live, REGARDLESS of any perceived 'class'

[quote][p][bold]rayellerton[/bold] wrote:
Green have an agenda to return us to the stone age, Labour will pander to the Unions demands and their need to spend loads of our money, Conservatives talk a good game but are only interested in maintaining the status quo of bankers and big business. UKIP want to make GB a better place for us to live, REGARDLESS of any perceived 'class'[/p][/quote]Keep taking the tablets.....hook line and sinker chum you've really swallowed it! Try engaging brain.Nikski

Kirk D wrote:
Hjarrs, there's no mystery to the UKIP position on TTIP ! UKIP are utterly opposed to a European trade delegation making deals with. the US on our behalf. UKIP maintain that Britain should once again take up its vacant seat on the World Trade Organization.

For further information about how Britain can successfully trade with the World.......&amp; make her own deals which would not include TTIP, follow the link:

http://www.ukip.org/

out_of_the_eu_into_t

he_world_report

Well, a quick squint at the report shows that TTIP is not covered. I quite understand UKIP's position on disagreeing with EU wide negotiation on trade deals, but this brings me no further. Why are UKIP so quiet on a trade deal that could force our hand on GM crops, or corporations able to sue member states (but individuals and countries do not have reciprocal agreements) for example?

This is a trade deal primarily about protecting corporate inteterests before those of ordinary people. Not a peep from UKIP.

That's because the debate within UKIP is still continuing.

http://www.ukipdaily

.com/ukip-welcome-pr

oposed-free-trade-ag

reement-european-uni

on-us/#.U_9gAmNAKVo

Lame excuse.

[quote][p][bold]ok,jared[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Kirk D[/bold] wrote:
Hjarrs, there's no mystery to the UKIP position on TTIP ! UKIP are utterly opposed to a European trade delegation making deals with. the US on our behalf. UKIP maintain that Britain should once again take up its vacant seat on the World Trade Organization.
For further information about how Britain can successfully trade with the World.......& make her own deals which would not include TTIP, follow the link:
http://www.ukip.org/
out_of_the_eu_into_t
he_world_report[/p][/quote]Well, a quick squint at the report shows that TTIP is not covered. I quite understand UKIP's position on disagreeing with EU wide negotiation on trade deals, but this brings me no further. Why are UKIP so quiet on a trade deal that could force our hand on GM crops, or corporations able to sue member states (but individuals and countries do not have reciprocal agreements) for example?
This is a trade deal primarily about protecting corporate inteterests before those of ordinary people. Not a peep from UKIP.[/p][/quote]That's because the debate within UKIP is still continuing.
http://www.ukipdaily
.com/ukip-welcome-pr
oposed-free-trade-ag
reement-european-uni
on-us/#.U_9gAmNAKVo[/p][/quote]Lame excuse.HJarrs

Kirk D wrote:
Hjarrs, there's no mystery to the UKIP position on TTIP ! UKIP are utterly opposed to a European trade delegation making deals with. the US on our behalf. UKIP maintain that Britain should once again take up its vacant seat on the World Trade Organization.

For further information about how Britain can successfully trade with the World.......&amp; make her own deals which would not include TTIP, follow the link:

http://www.ukip.org/

out_of_the_eu_into_t

he_world_report

Well, a quick squint at the report shows that TTIP is not covered. I quite understand UKIP's position on disagreeing with EU wide negotiation on trade deals, but this brings me no further. Why are UKIP so quiet on a trade deal that could force our hand on GM crops, or corporations able to sue member states (but individuals and countries do not have reciprocal agreements) for example?

This is a trade deal primarily about protecting corporate inteterests before those of ordinary people. Not a peep from UKIP.

That's because the debate within UKIP is still continuing.

http://www.ukipdaily

.com/ukip-welcome-pr

oposed-free-trade-ag

reement-european-uni

on-us/#.U_9gAmNAKVo

Lame excuse.

It's not an excuse....it's a fact.

You hate them, I've noticed.

[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]ok,jared[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Kirk D[/bold] wrote:
Hjarrs, there's no mystery to the UKIP position on TTIP ! UKIP are utterly opposed to a European trade delegation making deals with. the US on our behalf. UKIP maintain that Britain should once again take up its vacant seat on the World Trade Organization.
For further information about how Britain can successfully trade with the World.......& make her own deals which would not include TTIP, follow the link:
http://www.ukip.org/
out_of_the_eu_into_t
he_world_report[/p][/quote]Well, a quick squint at the report shows that TTIP is not covered. I quite understand UKIP's position on disagreeing with EU wide negotiation on trade deals, but this brings me no further. Why are UKIP so quiet on a trade deal that could force our hand on GM crops, or corporations able to sue member states (but individuals and countries do not have reciprocal agreements) for example?
This is a trade deal primarily about protecting corporate inteterests before those of ordinary people. Not a peep from UKIP.[/p][/quote]That's because the debate within UKIP is still continuing.
http://www.ukipdaily
.com/ukip-welcome-pr
oposed-free-trade-ag
reement-european-uni
on-us/#.U_9gAmNAKVo[/p][/quote]Lame excuse.[/p][/quote]It's not an excuse....it's a fact.
You hate them, I've noticed.ok,jared

Still, he has forced a by-election, which is fair enough, as the people of Clacton can make their minds up.

UKIP will try to be all things to all people at the election, and you better had not look too closely at the "fully costed" economic plans. But, all people will be doing is voting for an even more extreme version of the Tory party with an inward looking and negative view of the world.

Doug Carswell is definitely swivel eyed!
Still, he has forced a by-election, which is fair enough, as the people of Clacton can make their minds up.
UKIP will try to be all things to all people at the election, and you better had not look too closely at the "fully costed" economic plans. But, all people will be doing is voting for an even more extreme version of the Tory party with an inward looking and negative view of the world.HJarrs

Kirk D wrote:
Hjarrs, there's no mystery to the UKIP position on TTIP ! UKIP are utterly opposed to a European trade delegation making deals with. the US on our behalf. UKIP maintain that Britain should once again take up its vacant seat on the World Trade Organization.

For further information about how Britain can successfully trade with the World.......&amp; make her own deals which would not include TTIP, follow the link:

http://www.ukip.org/

out_of_the_eu_into_t

he_world_report

Well, a quick squint at the report shows that TTIP is not covered. I quite understand UKIP's position on disagreeing with EU wide negotiation on trade deals, but this brings me no further. Why are UKIP so quiet on a trade deal that could force our hand on GM crops, or corporations able to sue member states (but individuals and countries do not have reciprocal agreements) for example?

This is a trade deal primarily about protecting corporate inteterests before those of ordinary people. Not a peep from UKIP.

That's because the debate within UKIP is still continuing.

http://www.ukipdaily

.com/ukip-welcome-pr

oposed-free-trade-ag

reement-european-uni

on-us/#.U_9gAmNAKVo

Lame excuse.

It's not an excuse....it's a fact.

You hate them, I've noticed.

Another lame excuse.

[quote][p][bold]ok,jared[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]ok,jared[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Kirk D[/bold] wrote:
Hjarrs, there's no mystery to the UKIP position on TTIP ! UKIP are utterly opposed to a European trade delegation making deals with. the US on our behalf. UKIP maintain that Britain should once again take up its vacant seat on the World Trade Organization.
For further information about how Britain can successfully trade with the World.......& make her own deals which would not include TTIP, follow the link:
http://www.ukip.org/
out_of_the_eu_into_t
he_world_report[/p][/quote]Well, a quick squint at the report shows that TTIP is not covered. I quite understand UKIP's position on disagreeing with EU wide negotiation on trade deals, but this brings me no further. Why are UKIP so quiet on a trade deal that could force our hand on GM crops, or corporations able to sue member states (but individuals and countries do not have reciprocal agreements) for example?
This is a trade deal primarily about protecting corporate inteterests before those of ordinary people. Not a peep from UKIP.[/p][/quote]That's because the debate within UKIP is still continuing.
http://www.ukipdaily
.com/ukip-welcome-pr
oposed-free-trade-ag
reement-european-uni
on-us/#.U_9gAmNAKVo[/p][/quote]Lame excuse.[/p][/quote]It's not an excuse....it's a fact.
You hate them, I've noticed.[/p][/quote]Another lame excuse.HJarrs

Kirk D wrote:
Hjarrs, there's no mystery to the UKIP position on TTIP ! UKIP are utterly opposed to a European trade delegation making deals with. the US on our behalf. UKIP maintain that Britain should once again take up its vacant seat on the World Trade Organization.

For further information about how Britain can successfully trade with the World.......&amp; make her own deals which would not include TTIP, follow the link:

http://www.ukip.org/

out_of_the_eu_into_t

he_world_report

Well, a quick squint at the report shows that TTIP is not covered. I quite understand UKIP's position on disagreeing with EU wide negotiation on trade deals, but this brings me no further. Why are UKIP so quiet on a trade deal that could force our hand on GM crops, or corporations able to sue member states (but individuals and countries do not have reciprocal agreements) for example?

This is a trade deal primarily about protecting corporate inteterests before those of ordinary people. Not a peep from UKIP.

That's because the debate within UKIP is still continuing.

http://www.ukipdaily

.com/ukip-welcome-pr

oposed-free-trade-ag

reement-european-uni

on-us/#.U_9gAmNAKVo

Lame excuse.

It's not an excuse....it's a fact.

You hate them, I've noticed.

Another lame excuse.

What exactly was I excusing?

Your pathetic responses?

Your hatred of facts?

Do tell, because I see you as a pathetic excuse, not something to be excused.

[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]ok,jared[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]ok,jared[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Kirk D[/bold] wrote:
Hjarrs, there's no mystery to the UKIP position on TTIP ! UKIP are utterly opposed to a European trade delegation making deals with. the US on our behalf. UKIP maintain that Britain should once again take up its vacant seat on the World Trade Organization.
For further information about how Britain can successfully trade with the World.......& make her own deals which would not include TTIP, follow the link:
http://www.ukip.org/
out_of_the_eu_into_t
he_world_report[/p][/quote]Well, a quick squint at the report shows that TTIP is not covered. I quite understand UKIP's position on disagreeing with EU wide negotiation on trade deals, but this brings me no further. Why are UKIP so quiet on a trade deal that could force our hand on GM crops, or corporations able to sue member states (but individuals and countries do not have reciprocal agreements) for example?
This is a trade deal primarily about protecting corporate inteterests before those of ordinary people. Not a peep from UKIP.[/p][/quote]That's because the debate within UKIP is still continuing.
http://www.ukipdaily
.com/ukip-welcome-pr
oposed-free-trade-ag
reement-european-uni
on-us/#.U_9gAmNAKVo[/p][/quote]Lame excuse.[/p][/quote]It's not an excuse....it's a fact.
You hate them, I've noticed.[/p][/quote]Another lame excuse.[/p][/quote]What exactly was I excusing?
Your pathetic responses?
Your hatred of facts?
Do tell, because I see you as a pathetic excuse, not something to be excused.ok,jared

Still, he has forced a by-election, which is fair enough, as the people of Clacton can make their minds up.

UKIP will try to be all things to all people at the election, and you better had not look too closely at the &quot;fully costed" economic plans. But, all people will be doing is voting for an even more extreme version of the Tory party with an inward looking and negative view of the world.

" UKIP will try to be all things to all people at the election"

Oh , no!!

A Party that wants to spread its appeal across the electorate?

The fiends!!!

[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote:
Doug Carswell is definitely swivel eyed!
Still, he has forced a by-election, which is fair enough, as the people of Clacton can make their minds up.
UKIP will try to be all things to all people at the election, and you better had not look too closely at the "fully costed" economic plans. But, all people will be doing is voting for an even more extreme version of the Tory party with an inward looking and negative view of the world.[/p][/quote]" UKIP will try to be all things to all people at the election"
Oh , no!!
A Party that wants to spread its appeal across the electorate?
The fiends!!!ok,jared

Kirk D wrote:
Hjarrs, there's no mystery to the UKIP position on TTIP ! UKIP are utterly opposed to a European trade delegation making deals with. the US on our behalf. UKIP maintain that Britain should once again take up its vacant seat on the World Trade Organization.

For further information about how Britain can successfully trade with the World.......&amp; make her own deals which would not include TTIP, follow the link:

http://www.ukip.org/

out_of_the_eu_into_t

he_world_report

Well, a quick squint at the report shows that TTIP is not covered. I quite understand UKIP's position on disagreeing with EU wide negotiation on trade deals, but this brings me no further. Why are UKIP so quiet on a trade deal that could force our hand on GM crops, or corporations able to sue member states (but individuals and countries do not have reciprocal agreements) for example?

This is a trade deal primarily about protecting corporate inteterests before those of ordinary people. Not a peep from UKIP.

That's because the debate within UKIP is still continuing.

http://www.ukipdaily

.com/ukip-welcome-pr

oposed-free-trade-ag

reement-european-uni

on-us/#.U_9gAmNAKVo

Lame excuse.

It's not an excuse....it's a fact.

You hate them, I've noticed.

Another lame excuse.

What exactly was I excusing?

Your pathetic responses?

Your hatred of facts?

Do tell, because I see you as a pathetic excuse, not something to be excused.

More lame excuses.

[quote][p][bold]ok,jared[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]ok,jared[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]ok,jared[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Kirk D[/bold] wrote:
Hjarrs, there's no mystery to the UKIP position on TTIP ! UKIP are utterly opposed to a European trade delegation making deals with. the US on our behalf. UKIP maintain that Britain should once again take up its vacant seat on the World Trade Organization.
For further information about how Britain can successfully trade with the World.......& make her own deals which would not include TTIP, follow the link:
http://www.ukip.org/
out_of_the_eu_into_t
he_world_report[/p][/quote]Well, a quick squint at the report shows that TTIP is not covered. I quite understand UKIP's position on disagreeing with EU wide negotiation on trade deals, but this brings me no further. Why are UKIP so quiet on a trade deal that could force our hand on GM crops, or corporations able to sue member states (but individuals and countries do not have reciprocal agreements) for example?
This is a trade deal primarily about protecting corporate inteterests before those of ordinary people. Not a peep from UKIP.[/p][/quote]That's because the debate within UKIP is still continuing.
http://www.ukipdaily
.com/ukip-welcome-pr
oposed-free-trade-ag
reement-european-uni
on-us/#.U_9gAmNAKVo[/p][/quote]Lame excuse.[/p][/quote]It's not an excuse....it's a fact.
You hate them, I've noticed.[/p][/quote]Another lame excuse.[/p][/quote]What exactly was I excusing?
Your pathetic responses?
Your hatred of facts?
Do tell, because I see you as a pathetic excuse, not something to be excused.[/p][/quote]More lame excuses.HJarrs

On thing is clear from this thread and that is H Jarrs, despite using lots of words, says nothing and when challenged has nothing to say - typical green Slime really.

[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]ok,jared[/bold] wrote:
HJarse:
"More lame excuses."
Unable to explain his own post.....again.
Pathetic.[/p][/quote]Another excuse[/p][/quote]On thing is clear from this thread and that is H Jarrs, despite using lots of words, says nothing and when challenged has nothing to say - typical green Slime really.Idontbelieveit1948

On thing is clear from this thread and that is H Jarrs, despite using lots of words, says nothing and when challenged has nothing to say - typical green Slime really.

His responses show how pathetic and desperate he gets when confronted with thoughtful comments which shatter his cosy (but false) world-view.

He is about to confirm that I'm right by failing to address the points I've just made.

[quote][p][bold]Idontbelieveit1948[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]ok,jared[/bold] wrote:
HJarse:
"More lame excuses."
Unable to explain his own post.....again.
Pathetic.[/p][/quote]Another excuse[/p][/quote]On thing is clear from this thread and that is H Jarrs, despite using lots of words, says nothing and when challenged has nothing to say - typical green Slime really.[/p][/quote]His responses show how pathetic and desperate he gets when confronted with thoughtful comments which shatter his cosy (but false) world-view.
He is about to confirm that I'm right by failing to address the points I've just made.ok,jared

On thing is clear from this thread and that is H Jarrs, despite using lots of words, says nothing and when challenged has nothing to say - typical green Slime really.

His responses show how pathetic and desperate he gets when confronted with thoughtful comments which shatter his cosy (but false) world-view.

He is about to confirm that I'm right by failing to address the points I've just made.

More excuses

[quote][p][bold]ok,jared[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Idontbelieveit1948[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]ok,jared[/bold] wrote:
HJarse:
"More lame excuses."
Unable to explain his own post.....again.
Pathetic.[/p][/quote]Another excuse[/p][/quote]On thing is clear from this thread and that is H Jarrs, despite using lots of words, says nothing and when challenged has nothing to say - typical green Slime really.[/p][/quote]His responses show how pathetic and desperate he gets when confronted with thoughtful comments which shatter his cosy (but false) world-view.
He is about to confirm that I'm right by failing to address the points I've just made.[/p][/quote]More excusesHJarrs

NickBrt wrote:
Must point out hjarrs is biased being a spokesperson (or smokescreen) for the Greens.

Well, when you feel you have to post even when you have nothing to say, I suppose those posts are his only option.

HJarse did prove me right, which is something, I suppose.

[quote][p][bold]NickBrt[/bold] wrote:
Must point out hjarrs is biased being a spokesperson (or smokescreen) for the Greens.[/p][/quote]Well, when you feel you have to post even when you have nothing to say, I suppose those posts are his only option.
HJarse did prove me right, which is something, I suppose.ok,jared

I have to say that I am against a pan European style TTIP. Agreement. There would necessarily need to be too many compromises and concessions. Companies like Monsanto would start to dictate terms. What guarantees would we have that hormone fed US beef, that has been banned for over 20 years, would enter our food chain. So I hope UKIP. do make a statement that denounces a pan European/US trade agreement, whilst promoting a unilateral deal if Britain opt out of the EU.

I have to say that I am against a pan European style TTIP. Agreement. There would necessarily need to be too many compromises and concessions. Companies like Monsanto would start to dictate terms. What guarantees would we have that hormone fed US beef, that has been banned for over 20 years, would enter our food chain. So I hope UKIP. do make a statement that denounces a pan European/US trade agreement, whilst promoting a unilateral deal if Britain opt out of the EU.Kirk D

Kirk D wrote:
I have to say that I am against a pan European style TTIP. Agreement. There would necessarily need to be too many compromises and concessions. Companies like Monsanto would start to dictate terms. What guarantees would we have that hormone fed US beef, that has been banned for over 20 years, would enter our food chain. So I hope UKIP. do make a statement that denounces a pan European/US trade agreement, whilst promoting a unilateral deal if Britain opt out of the EU.

Good, I am glad we are on the same page. The question is; is Nigel?

[quote][p][bold]Kirk D[/bold] wrote:
I have to say that I am against a pan European style TTIP. Agreement. There would necessarily need to be too many compromises and concessions. Companies like Monsanto would start to dictate terms. What guarantees would we have that hormone fed US beef, that has been banned for over 20 years, would enter our food chain. So I hope UKIP. do make a statement that denounces a pan European/US trade agreement, whilst promoting a unilateral deal if Britain opt out of the EU.[/p][/quote]Good, I am glad we are on the same page. The question is; is Nigel?HJarrs

Kirk D wrote:
I have to say that I am against a pan European style TTIP. Agreement. There would necessarily need to be too many compromises and concessions. Companies like Monsanto would start to dictate terms. What guarantees would we have that hormone fed US beef, that has been banned for over 20 years, would enter our food chain. So I hope UKIP. do make a statement that denounces a pan European/US trade agreement, whilst promoting a unilateral deal if Britain opt out of the EU.

Good, I am glad we are on the same page. The question is; is Nigel?

Farage has made it quite clear that the UK will be entering trade deals with the entire world (including and especially those in Europe).

[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Kirk D[/bold] wrote:
I have to say that I am against a pan European style TTIP. Agreement. There would necessarily need to be too many compromises and concessions. Companies like Monsanto would start to dictate terms. What guarantees would we have that hormone fed US beef, that has been banned for over 20 years, would enter our food chain. So I hope UKIP. do make a statement that denounces a pan European/US trade agreement, whilst promoting a unilateral deal if Britain opt out of the EU.[/p][/quote]Good, I am glad we are on the same page. The question is; is Nigel?[/p][/quote]Farage has made it quite clear that the UK will be entering trade deals with the entire world (including and especially those in Europe).ok,jared

sweetnigel wrote:
First its Clacton, now maybe my old home town of Shoreham-by-sea?
What's with coastal towns swinging to the right?

They're packed full of codgers who ran away from London in the '70s when all the foreigners moved in. Since then, some of them have discovered Spain instead. I think there's a Spanish coastal town that might as well be called New Worthing, but its name escapes me.

[quote][p][bold]sweetnigel[/bold] wrote:
First its Clacton, now maybe my old home town of Shoreham-by-sea?
What's with coastal towns swinging to the right?[/p][/quote]They're packed full of codgers who ran away from London in the '70s when all the foreigners moved in. Since then, some of them have discovered Spain instead. I think there's a Spanish coastal town that might as well be called New Worthing, but its name escapes me.theargusissoinformative

Kirk D wrote:
Hjarrs, there's no mystery to the UKIP position on TTIP ! UKIP are utterly opposed to a European trade delegation making deals with. the US on our behalf. UKIP maintain that Britain should once again take up its vacant seat on the World Trade Organization.

For further information about how Britain can successfully trade with the World.......&amp; make her own deals which would not include TTIP, follow the link:

http://www.ukip.org/

out_of_the_eu_into_t

he_world_report

Well, a quick squint at the report shows that TTIP is not covered. I quite understand UKIP's position on disagreeing with EU wide negotiation on trade deals, but this brings me no further. Why are UKIP so quiet on a trade deal that could force our hand on GM crops, or corporations able to sue member states (but individuals and countries do not have reciprocal agreements) for example?

This is a trade deal primarily about protecting corporate inteterests before those of ordinary people. Not a peep from UKIP.

No one knows what UKIP would be like in practice, because we're not psychic. But Tim Loughton has embarrassed his own supporters, constituents, (and colleagues?) for too long, and needs to go. If his constituency association can't be bothered to deal with him, then UKIP it might have to be.

[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Kirk D[/bold] wrote:
Hjarrs, there's no mystery to the UKIP position on TTIP ! UKIP are utterly opposed to a European trade delegation making deals with. the US on our behalf. UKIP maintain that Britain should once again take up its vacant seat on the World Trade Organization.
For further information about how Britain can successfully trade with the World.......& make her own deals which would not include TTIP, follow the link:
http://www.ukip.org/
out_of_the_eu_into_t
he_world_report[/p][/quote]Well, a quick squint at the report shows that TTIP is not covered. I quite understand UKIP's position on disagreeing with EU wide negotiation on trade deals, but this brings me no further. Why are UKIP so quiet on a trade deal that could force our hand on GM crops, or corporations able to sue member states (but individuals and countries do not have reciprocal agreements) for example?
This is a trade deal primarily about protecting corporate inteterests before those of ordinary people. Not a peep from UKIP.[/p][/quote]No one knows what UKIP would be like in practice, because we're not psychic. But Tim Loughton has embarrassed his own supporters, constituents, (and colleagues?) for too long, and needs to go. If his constituency association can't be bothered to deal with him, then UKIP it might have to be.theargusissoinformative

Hjarrs,, It's axiomatic that if we leave the EU & once again take our seat on the WTO, we will be making trade deals the world over. What Europe negotiates with the States is their business. If we're not part of TTIP we won't. be at risk of major US corporations suing us for non compliance. I and some of my UKIP colleagues are as concerned about TTIP as you are. I will now ask questions to relevant UKIP people. Thanks for bringing it up though..

Nothing wrong with Worthing. There is a Worthing in Barbados.
Hjarrs,, It's axiomatic that if we leave the EU & once again take our seat on the WTO, we will be making trade deals the world over. What Europe negotiates with the States is their business. If we're not part of TTIP we won't. be at risk of major US corporations suing us for non compliance. I and some of my UKIP colleagues are as concerned about TTIP as you are. I will now ask questions to relevant UKIP people. Thanks for bringing it up though..Kirk D

sweetnigel wrote:
First its Clacton, now maybe my old home town of Shoreham-by-sea?
What's with coastal towns swinging to the right?

Er......the Tories are the party of choice at the moment.

They were 'right wing' the last time I checked.

Right compared with what? Right and wrong?

[quote][p][bold]ok,jared[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]sweetnigel[/bold] wrote:
First its Clacton, now maybe my old home town of Shoreham-by-sea?
What's with coastal towns swinging to the right?[/p][/quote]Er......the Tories are the party of choice at the moment.
They were 'right wing' the last time I checked.[/p][/quote]Right compared with what? Right and wrong?theargusissoinformative

Kirk D wrote:
Nothing wrong with Worthing. There is a Worthing in Barbados.

Hjarrs,, It's axiomatic that if we leave the EU &amp; once again take our seat on the WTO, we will be making trade deals the world over. What Europe negotiates with the States is their business. If we're not part of TTIP we won't. be at risk of major US corporations suing us for non compliance. I and some of my UKIP colleagues are as concerned about TTIP as you are. I will now ask questions to relevant UKIP people. Thanks for bringing it up though..

Worthing is a beautiful sun-kissed paradise; not sure about the one in Barbados though.

[quote][p][bold]Kirk D[/bold] wrote:
Nothing wrong with Worthing. There is a Worthing in Barbados.
Hjarrs,, It's axiomatic that if we leave the EU & once again take our seat on the WTO, we will be making trade deals the world over. What Europe negotiates with the States is their business. If we're not part of TTIP we won't. be at risk of major US corporations suing us for non compliance. I and some of my UKIP colleagues are as concerned about TTIP as you are. I will now ask questions to relevant UKIP people. Thanks for bringing it up though..[/p][/quote]Worthing is a beautiful sun-kissed paradise; not sure about the one in Barbados though.Nikski

sweetnigel wrote:
First its Clacton, now maybe my old home town of Shoreham-by-sea?
What's with coastal towns swinging to the right?

Er......the Tories are the party of choice at the moment.

They were 'right wing' the last time I checked.

Right compared with what? Right and wrong?

With regard to political stance, obviously.

What a stupid question.

[quote][p][bold]theargusissoinformat
ive[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]ok,jared[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]sweetnigel[/bold] wrote:
First its Clacton, now maybe my old home town of Shoreham-by-sea?
What's with coastal towns swinging to the right?[/p][/quote]Er......the Tories are the party of choice at the moment.
They were 'right wing' the last time I checked.[/p][/quote]Right compared with what? Right and wrong?[/p][/quote]With regard to political stance, obviously.
What a stupid question.ok,jared