Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

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re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

Originally Posted by Fisher

I don't give a damn what Reagan did a billion years ago before we had school shootings. If you are not willing to address the underlying cause of violence, then I don't really care what you have to say about guns because that is precisely the reason nothing gets done--liberals afraid to lose the crack vote are serving this nation well apparently. Some people might actually believe they need their guns now more than ever because of the growing violence in the face of the refusal of the left to do anything meaningful other than whine about guns......

LMAO, I am old and was on active duty when Reagan was President, it wasn't quite a BILLION years ago...

Good broad strokes but what do 'we' do about the underlying causes of violence? Ummmm just what are they again?

Now 'conservatives' have fought tooth and nail against dealing with trouble-makers and the mentally ill, a broad brush there paints men who's wife takes out a protective order to get divorce help. A domestic incident when 20 gets a man banned from firearm ownership 20 years later.

But I did ask a question, just where do we draw the line? Not political white wash of underlying whatever, real lines please....

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Originally Posted by Cilogy

I see your point; that was not my intention and I wouldn't actually go up to these parents and say this. However, I don't live in that area, it hasn't affected me personally, but it still makes me upset and I still feel terrible for the victims. I guess it's just natural for me, someone who lives thousands of miles away, to think about gun control when I hear about this. In fact, whenever I hear about a shooting, my mind immediately jumps to the issue of gun control, that's just how I am. This is, after all, a political debate forum, I'm just expressing my point of view.

What we should be thinking about is why on earth this locked down school buzzed this guy in without even having a look at him or the two huge guns he was carrying with him. Safety measure in place. Ignored. That's the real lesson here....for tomorrow, next week and next year.

re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

Originally Posted by MaggieD

What we should be thinking about is why on earth this locked down school buzzed this guy in without even having a look at him or the two huge guns he was carrying with him. Safety measure in place. Ignored. That's the real lesson here....for tomorrow, next week and next year.

True, and though it's terrible that even the principal was killed, that school disctrict is probably gonna get a lot of flack for this, and I almost think they deserve to.

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re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

Originally Posted by Cilogy

I see your point; that was not my intention and I wouldn't actually go up to these parents and say this. However, I don't live in that area, it hasn't affected me personally, but it still makes me upset and I still feel terrible for the victims. I guess it's just natural for me, someone who lives thousands of miles away, to think about gun control when I hear about this. In fact, whenever I hear about a shooting, my mind immediately jumps to the issue of gun control, that's just how I am. This is, after all, a political debate forum, I'm just expressing my point of view.

Of course your mind instantly jumps to gun control...

Why else do you think so many shootings are happening lately?

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I want to commend the work of WFSB. I've been watching their live, online coverage of this event since this morning. Their coverage has been comprehensive. They have been careful to express whether the information they've broadcast is rumor, speculation or confirmed. They are a class act.

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Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris

All people that smoke in under ventilated areas "shoot" people will their smoke. Not everyone who has a gun, even in public, does. Your comparison is not a good one.

What do you do with your gun? Use it for a hammer? a Light switch? Back scratcher? Visual/tactile stimulation?
Listen buddy, I've witnessed the murder of an innocent bystander who was the 22 year old mother of two. At least 3 lives were ruined and I can't get the image of a woman being shot in the face out of my mind because of your precious right to own a tool of destruction so you can feel 'safe' or 'tough' or whatever it does for you.

Besides my point is that everyone who has a gun will kill someone because they wanted to when they bought the infernal thing. Admit it you want to kill someone you fantasize about it all the time. You're probably wishing you could shoot me and everybody else that doesn't agree with you right?

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re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

Originally Posted by notquiteright

LMAO, I am old and was on active duty when Reagan was President, it wasn't quite a BILLION years ago...

Good broad strokes but what do 'we' do about the underlying causes of violence? Ummmm just what are they again?

Now 'conservatives' have fought tooth and nail against dealing with trouble-makers and the mentally ill, a broad brush there paints men who's wife takes out a protective order to get divorce help. A domestic incident when 20 gets a man banned from firearm ownership 20 years later.

But I did ask a question, just where do we draw the line? Not political white wash of underlying whatever, real lines please....

Maybe if these madhouses didn't lobotomize so many of their patients and build their facilities over underground railroads they would still exist today. (referring to Northern State facility in Washington State)

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re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

Originally Posted by Saboteur

What do you do with your gun? Use it for a hammer? a Light switch? Back scratcher? Visual/tactile stimulation?
Listen buddy, I've witnessed the murder of an innocent bystander who was the 22 year old mother of two. At least 3 lives were ruined and I can't get the image of a woman being shot in the face out of my mind because of your precious right to own a tool of destruction so you can feel 'safe' or 'tough' or whatever it does for you.

Besides my point is that everyone who has a gun will kill someone because they wanted to when they bought the infernal thing. Admit it you want to kill someone you fantasize about it all the time. You're probably wishing you could shoot me and everybody else that doesn't agree with you right?

You have defeated yourself with this.... I hope I NEVER, EVER, EVER have to kill anyone in my life. I think even if my life was threatened I would aim for legs, shoulders, or try to escape if I thought I could.

Deep down I believe if you kill someone eternal life is no longer open to you (through heaven if you want to call it that). Although I can also admit that if I was in a life threatening situation im not sure if I could control my instincts for self preservation.

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Look him in the eye.
Look him in the eye and tell him,
I never lived a lie, never took a life,
But surely saved one." ~ TooL

Last edited by dirtpoorchris; 12-14-12 at 05:47 PM.

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