I've looked the word "derby" up in the Concise Oxford Dictionary. A "derby" match is any important match. A local derby is a match between two local rivals. So I guess you have to define local. How far from New Craven Park to the KC? How far from DW to KR? How far from Odsal to Headingley? If it wasn't for Hanging Heaton Church you could see New Crown Flat from Mount Pleasant. And as I said earlier it's about three miles from Wheldon Road to P O Road.

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I've looked the word "derby" up in the Concise Oxford Dictionary. A "derby" match is any important match. A local derby is a match between two local rivals. So I guess you have to define local. How far from New Craven Park to the KC? How far from DW to KR? How far from Odsal to Headingley? If it wasn't for Hanging Heaton Church you could see New Crown Flat from Mount Pleasant. And as I said earlier it's about three miles from Wheldon Road to P O Road.

You got there eventually, I've only posted the definition twice already.

As far as the biggest is concerned, I expect Thursday's game at the KC to confirm it's now Hull v Hull KR.

As for the best, in terms of quality in the Super League era we don't even come close to Leeds v Bradford or Saints v Wigan.

The Hull games, as long as both teams are at the top table pulls in the crowds, the Wigan v Saints game is almost a national institution, as I said earlier it was listed in the top ten sporting events to see in this country by the Gruniad.

Wigan and Saints rivalry is known throughout the country by most people who take an in interest in sport, Leeds v Bradford doesn't hit the radar outside of, well Leeds and Bradford.

Of course St. Pats supporters and Rose Bridge supporters will claim they are a true derby as they less than a mile apart and the games are fiercley contested, they don't need big crowds for it to be a big derby. Just as two Hull amateur teams will claim that they have a true derby despite not pulling in what the pro clubs pull in.

A derby in general is what the players and supporters make of it, Fev v Cas is big to the people of Featherstone and Castleford, the Hull Derby is big to the people of Hull. Wigan v Saints seems to register to a wider audiance than just the people of the respective towns, viweing figures and media coverage would seem to back this up.

There isn't a single measure, and whatever combintion of measures you use their will always be a different outcome.

The one thing I will never accept as a measure is how much two rival sets of fans hate each other, to claim that my team v t'other lot is bigger because we won't type their name is pathetic and should be left to the cretins supporting football.

The Hull games, as long as both teams are at the top table pulls in the crowds, the Wigan v Saints game is almost a national institution, as I said earlier it was listed in the top ten sporting events to see in this country by the Gruniad.

Wigan and Saints rivalry is known throughout the country by most people who take an in interest in sport, Leeds v Bradford doesn't hit the radar outside of, well Leeds and Bradford.

Of course St. Pats supporters and Rose Bridge supporters will claim they are a true derby as they less than a mile apart and the games are fiercley contested, they don't need big crowds for it to be a big derby. Just as two Hull amateur teams will claim that they have a true derby despite not pulling in what the pro clubs pull in.

A derby in general is what the players and supporters make of it, Fev v Cas is big to the people of Featherstone and Castleford, the Hull Derby is big to the people of Hull. Wigan v Saints seems to register to a wider audiance than just the people of the respective towns, viweing figures and media coverage would seem to back this up.

There isn't a single measure, and whatever combintion of measures you use their will always be a different outcome.

The one thing I will never accept as a measure is how much two rival sets of fans hate each other, to claim that my team v t'other lot is bigger because we won't type their name is pathetic and should be left to the cretins supporting football.

Conclusion.

Locally Hull v Hull KR biggest.

Nationaly Wigan v Saints biggest.

Good post and fair conclusion too.

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The Hull games, as long as both teams are at the top table pulls in the crowds, the Wigan v Saints game is almost a national institution, as I said earlier it was listed in the top ten sporting events to see in this country by the Gruniad.

Wigan and Saints rivalry is known throughout the country by most people who take an in interest in sport, Leeds v Bradford doesn't hit the radar outside of, well Leeds and Bradford.

Of course St. Pats supporters and Rose Bridge supporters will claim they are a true derby as they less than a mile apart and the games are fiercley contested, they don't need big crowds for it to be a big derby. Just as two Hull amateur teams will claim that they have a true derby despite not pulling in what the pro clubs pull in.

A derby in general is what the players and supporters make of it, Fev v Cas is big to the people of Featherstone and Castleford, the Hull Derby is big to the people of Hull. Wigan v Saints seems to register to a wider audiance than just the people of the respective towns, viweing figures and media coverage would seem to back this up.

There isn't a single measure, and whatever combintion of measures you use their will always be a different outcome.

The one thing I will never accept as a measure is how much two rival sets of fans hate each other, to claim that my team v t'other lot is bigger because we won't type their name is pathetic and should be left to the cretins supporting football.

Bramley v Leeds were'nt a bad derby either ,it used to fill the old Barley Mow ground over 9000 .I remember as a kid convoys of no77 buses coming up through the broadlea estate on their way "up bramley"bringing leeds fans from town.and please no jokes about the broadlea estate it was ok 50 years ago.

but you and I weve been through that and this is not our fate.
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Just to develop Padge's reference to area, it could be said that there are three types of derby; between clubs from the same city, between clubs from the same town and between clubs from two geographically close cities or towns.Can I give an example of two clubs from the same town being the biggest deby on the day (or in this case in the week leading up to the day) then it would have to be the Saints versus the Recs!

However the closest geographically linked derby in sport in general would have to be in Dundee where the two grounds are next door to each other.

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