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Defensive tackle Calais Campbell will sign with the Jacksonville Jaguars as previously reported, despite a late push by the Denver Broncos to get him to sign with their team instead.

"Chose Jags because Tom Coughlin is a winner, they brought in two other big free agents and they also have been drafting well the last few years. They are a young and hungry defense that I want to lead," he told ESPN's Josina Anderson.

No disrespect to Mr. Coughlin... but the Broncos, and John Elway are winners as well. But if he wants to lead a "younger" defense, so be it.

Speaking of Denver, I do like the Leary signing. Just what they needed.

Shame. I was hoping that number 12 would be heading NE to NE. Though I suppose it's still possible. If I understand correctly, they might have just been looking to gain some draft picks, but that's contingent on finding somebody willing to pay Osweiller.

edit: And on a side-note, how demoralizing must it be when your GM gives up a second round pick just to get you off of the team?

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Shame. I was hoping that number 12 would be heading NE to NE. Though I suppose it's still possible. If I understand correctly, they might have just been looking to gain some draft picks, but that's contingent on finding somebody willing to pay Osweiller.

edit: And on a side-note, how demoralizing must it be when your GM gives up a second round pick just to get you off of the team?

If I remember correctly, the owner for Houston pushed for Osweiller even though the GM and Coach and didn't want him.

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Cleveland won't keep Osweiler, but I still chuckled today when I heard about them trading for him.

I read that NO said hell no to trading Cooks. He wouldn't be a good Patriot anyway. He pitched a fit last year in a game where he caught one ball and the Saints won huge. He'd cry every game where he gets two targets and the Patriots win.

I'm not surprised that NE gave up what they did to get Cooks. As a fantasy football player, I remember Cooks' stock going through the roof in August 2015 simply because Belichick said after a preseason game that he is happy they don't have to play Cooks twice a year; it was clear then that Belichick was very high on him as a player. Cooks is a selfish diva, but if anyone can get him to calm down and accept a role as a team guy who might not catch a lot of balls some weeks, it's Belichick.

It always seemed to me that being a receiver on the Patriots requires a slightly different skillset. It seems to be the smart guys that run perfect routes that work out, and if Bill sees that in somebody that also has good YAC potential I'm pretty happy with it. What I'm not so crazy about is his contract. He costs next to nothing this year, but it's his last year. If he excels, and there's every reason to assume he will, this is probably a first round pick for a 1 year player. They could exercise his 5th year option, but the clock's ticking on that one.

Still, I'm liking the way this is all going so far. NE was the odds favorite to win again next year the day after the superbowl. They haven't gone backward and they might actually wind up being a better team when it's all said and one. If they keep Butler they will have replaced Logan Ryan with Gilmore and added a long ball threat.

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Talk is Pats trading Butler to N.O. for reciever Cooks. Sounds like they couldn't come to a deal and want to get something in return.

I don't like it at all.

Oh I'd love this deal for New England. Cooks would be a hell of a weapon for Brady, while Butler is replaceable, especially to someone like Coach Belichick.

Agreed. If they get Gilmore then they can go either way and neither would bother me. The truth is that Butler is going to cost more than he's willing to pay next year, so getting a good receiver for him now makes sense.

And besides, at this point how can anybody question Bill? It's gotten to the point that the bigger the deal the more excited I am for it, even if it seems to make no sense. If he cut Brady and signed Cutler I'd just assume he knows 3 things I don't and it'll all work out for the best.

edit: And valence can be either negative or beneficial to winning championships.

I've long ago given up worrying about Belicheck's defense. They've survived - nay, thrived - after the loss of many great DBs including Talib, Revis... they'll survive without Butler, especially if he's playing diva. He should know better at this point. Other than Brady, and MAYBE Gronk, there are no stars on the Pats. Hell, even Gronk is more a personality off the field than a "star" on the field.

And the Pats resigned Dont'a Hightower. Now we'll see about the Bulter situation.

Ah, I was hoping the Steelers would get him, but I guess he was just using other teams for leverage?

Yup. He and the Pats had been on good terms and neither side wanted him to leave. Rather than throwing out a lowball offer the Patriots just wait and see what other teams will offer, and then offer him a bit less. Plenty of players are just fine with that (Devon McQuarty) and some won't accept one cent less than everything (Derell Revis). I think Bill has a pretty good sense about who's going to play ball and who's not and that dictates how he handles the situation. I suspect that's why he never considered resigning Bennett. What GB paid him was actually pretty reasonable and the Patriots likely would have paid something fairly close.

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Makes sense, I got excited for a minute yesterday when he visited Pittsburgh. That dude would have made a big difference on the Steelers D.

They do need to find a replacement for JH soon, but I think that Bud Dupree is on the verge of becoming a star on the other side. Getting Cam back healthy along with Tuitt and Hargrave coming along should help the linebackers look a lot better.

Makes sense, I got excited for a minute yesterday when he visited Pittsburgh. That dude would have made a big difference on the Steelers D.

They do need to find a replacement for JH soon, but I think that Bud Dupree is on the verge of becoming a star on the other side. Getting Cam back healthy along with Tuitt and Hargrave coming along should help the linebackers look a lot better.

I think they need a good inside LB partner for Shazier, IMO Hightower could have been that. Outside LB and D-line don't concern me as much at the moment.

I've noticed it is barely being talked about on the major sports networks. I wouldn't be surprised if Jerry Jones used his power to shut down talk of it, so his star RB gets a pass for what was technically, from a legal standpoint, assaulting a woman.

JJ doesn't have the power to shut down the sports media. I'm sure there's a lot more interesting things to talk about besides Zeke not being able to keep his hands off a woman who's already trying to expose herself anyway.

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JJ doesn't have the power to shut down the sports media. I'm sure there's a lot more interesting things to talk about besides Zeke not being able to keep his hands off a woman who's already trying to expose herself anyway.