i love it. this was a concept i heard the nuns and priests use when i was in catholic school. i always thought that “intrinsic” was a church doctrine until i found it in the dictionary.

have you also read that the good archbishop Migliore admitted that the Vatican previously opposed a U.N. motion dealing with rights and benefits for the handicapped, because it did not include “anti-abortion” language?

oh, that’s “intrinsically disordered”. isn’t it…?

not to mention hypocrisy.

one of the best decisions i ever made was leaving the church. actually, i think they forced me out with their actions. the hypocrisy and idiocy turned me into what some people identify as an “existential atheist”. well, i identify that way also.

]]>By: Jim Burrowayhttp://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/02/7040/comment-page-1#comment-26752
Fri, 05 Dec 2008 02:50:09 +0000http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=7040#comment-26752Well, to be honest, I suppose we have to pick our battles. Right now, the biggest battle on our plate is marriage in California. It may be a selfish selection — marriage in California vs. gays in Iran — but then I don’t exactly Christians making a big deal over Darfur or the Chaldeans in Iraq during the past election either.

But let’s pose it this way. If the Catholic Church had played the role that Mormons did against my own fellow American citizens, then yes, I’d be at the front of the line.

The Vatican and the Roman Catholic Church are more respected and have more clout on human rights matters than the various governments that criminalize homosexual acts.

The Vatican is in the position to play the same role in opposing the resolution that the LDS Church played in in promoting the passage of Prop 8. If it does play such a role in defeating the resolution, shouldn’t the Catholic Church get the same treatment as the Mormons got?

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Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:31:34 +0000http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=7040#comment-26724The UN rsolution is an admirable step forward in the establishment of human rights. The opposition of the Catholic Church is regrettable, in fact, their whole approach is seriously flawed as well as inhumane. It may take another century or two to get the church to come into the real world of contemporary thought (if ever).

Mormons make up only about 2% of the California electorate, yet they contributed at least 40% of all funds raised to pass Prop 8. If the Catholic Church had cajoled their members to give the way the LDS leaders did theirs, they would have raised, at a minimum, twelve times what the Mormons did.

Meanwhile, leaders of the LDS church also held leadership roles in Prop 8 in a way that Catholic leaders did not.

The protests at LDS temples reflect the very prominent role that LDS leaders chose to actively lead and finance the Pro-prop 8 campaign. Yes, you bet, if the Catholic church had played such a prominent, public role, they’d be a target as well.

The reason we hold Mormons to a higher standard than Catholics is because the Mormons chose to participate at a MUCH higher standard. By chosing to get way out in front of this political campaign, they invited the attention they got. That’s the nature of politics. No one is immune from that.

There have been protests here directed against the Mormon Church for opposing the legal recognition of same-sex marriages. That seems to be far less anti-homosexual to me than opposing a non-binding resolution calling for the end of criminal punishments for homosexual acts.

IN all fairness, if we don’t see protests directed against the Roman Church of the kind that were made against the LDS Church, gays should have to answer why they hold Mormons to a higher standard than Catholics.

]]>By: homerhttp://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/02/7040/comment-page-1#comment-26628
Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:59:27 +0000http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=7040#comment-26628I am not going to listen to the opinions of someone wearing a pink cape. Now if he had a black cape and fangs, I might pay attention.
]]>By: MAPerezhttp://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/02/7040/comment-page-1#comment-26621
Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:20:36 +0000http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=7040#comment-26621Of course, the Catholic Church will not Decriminalize Homosexuality. They need some one else to persecute. Let’s see in the past they had the Jewish faith, the Protestants, the Muslims and most recently they had the natives of North, South and Central America. Too me it seems like the Catholic Church just loves to have blood on its hands. Yes they are really Pro-Life aren’t they?
]]>By: Duncanhttp://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/02/7040/comment-page-1#comment-26605
Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:57:53 +0000http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=7040#comment-26605It reminds me of James Dobson’s railing against Lawrence vs Texas. As you say, it is not even consistent with what else they say, they simply oppose it because it feels wrong, and rationalize it afterwards. They are against penalizations on a case by case basis but cannot be seen making a principle of it. It would give the wrong impression.
By the way, is it not misleading to use quotation marks around a translated word? It would also help if you included a link to the editorial.
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