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Women Are Not Here For You. You Do Not Own Us.

A guy walks up to a girl in a bar. She’s laughing with her friends, engrossed in conversation. He slides in next to her to introduce himself. Offers her a drink. I’m just here to hang with my friends she says more than once. He proceeds to ask her “get to know you” questions, ignores her icy stare. Oblivious to her friends rolling their eyes. He appears immune to her Not interested‘s and her No thank you‘s. Finally, she sighs, I HAVE A BOYFRIEND. He backs away grudgingly, defensively, hands in the air, It’s cool, it’s cool. I got it.

Her rebuffs weren’t enough. Her refusals were dismissed. It was clear that what she wanted wasn’t of much concern to him. But another man’s woman? That’s a record scratch. A stop sign. A no trespassing sign.

This story isn’t unusual. It’s not even rare. Most women at some point have played the boyfriend card to fend off an aggressive guy.

Not all men have to hear the boyfriend excuse to accept a “No.” Many men approach women humbly and respectfully. But the reality is that far too many men are the aggressive guy with the selective hearing. It’s disheartening, frustrating, and at times… scary.

It’s not always violent or abusive. Most often it is vague and hard to put your finger on. But our society is constantly telling men they have rights to us. That they own us. This message isn’t shouted or barked. No, like most effective messages it’s subtle. Implied. It’s in our everyday interactions. But it’s there, coloring our language and our attitudes and our traditions. It’s the pervasive, implied entitlement in casual words and actions that we accept and absorb because we are so accustomed to it we don’t even recognize it.

Ownership. Women are property. Men are entitled to us. Society is unconcerned with our agency and autonomy.

It’s tradition and it’s doctrine. It’s history and it’s gospel.

It’s the marrying off of daughters as a transaction. A young girl whittled down to the equivalent of a goat and an acre of land.

It’s women being the spoils of war.

It’s women being categorized as either the virgin or the whore.

Most men don’t walk around looking at women as property. That’s not how this works. But it’s there, implied. It’s woven into our culture. Passed down like a defective gene.

It’s not just the persistent guy in the bar. It’s the guy who tells us to smile. As if our expression is there for him to dictate. Our mood, his to determine.

It’s the man who thinks he has the right to catcall a woman because she is walking down the street. And then thinks he has the right to get angry if she doesn’t respond in the way he thinks she should.

It’s the shock and disdain for a woman who curses. It’s not lady like. It’s unbecoming. It’s trashy. No. Admonishing a grown woman as if she’s a child is unbecoming.

It’s the “Friend-zone.” The place where hard-up guys and their precocious desires go to die. Angry that they are denied access to someone they were friendly with. I was so nice to her, why wouldn’t she have sex with me? As if being cool means they should automatically have rights to us.

It’s the seething hate directed at every woman who has a large online presence. A platform, a big following, a blue checkmark next to her name – all are cause for threats. It’s the armies of men who troll, looking for powerful women to go after. Who have rabid anger for women they’ve never even met. Why? For moving into their space. For taking up their oxygen. For getting attention and followers and likes. They are threatened by it. They feel less powerful when they see a powerful woman. So they try to control her, bully her, intimidate her. They try to drive her off social media and sometimes out of a job.

It’s the looks of disgust or the comments when a woman is breastfeeding in public. Her breasts should be used to sell Carl’s Jr. burgers or to entice or to entertain. But using them for their intended purpose is disgusting. It’s utilitarian and not serving the greater male population in any way so put those things away, you exhibitionist whore.

We are here to accentuate. Complement. To be arm candy or stay quietly in the background. We should be easy going, but not easy. We should laugh easily, but not too loudly.

We should be soft and sweet and curved in all the right places. But not too curvy. Unless that’s what is desired by the men we meet. The goalpost of what is desirable is constantly moving so we must read magazines and scour pop culture to see what’s what. You see, we are complicit in our own servitude. It’s part of our DNA as well.

We should speak demurely. Speaking loudly, projecting our voice is an affront. We should calibrate our voice to precisely the tone that is pleasing to male ears. And for the love of all things nasty, please don’t laugh too loud.

Our bodies are commodities. Our sexuality is for other’s to copulate to. Our pureness to be held up as saintly. Our reproduction legislated by old white men who couldn’t find an ovary or a female orgasm if they had a GPS.

It’s male journalists frothing every time Chelsea Clinton speaks or wins an award. Their condescending laments laced with the fear of another ambitious woman coming dangerously close to that glass ceiling. Their words dripping with contempt. How dare she be visible or audible when they had other ideas. Stay in your lane, Chelsea.

It’s the pat on the head, the unsolicited advice, the let me tell you how you really feel because my male perspective is more valid and more right, ok sweetheart?

It’s telling a woman to calm down because her outburst or her fire or her anger make it so much harder to rein her in.

It’s the stealthing that turns consensual sex into sexual assault, and the online chat rooms that instruct bros how to do it, and the judges who will laugh it off or brush it off or dole out a slap on the wrist with a wink, and now we have one more fucking thingto warn our daughters about.

It’s the men who help themselves to parts of our bodies as we make our way through a crowd or through the office or across campus.

It’s our lovers, the men we trust and love. They think nothing of laying down a guilt trip if we refuse sex. After all, what right do we have to consider our own mood/desires/feelings? Our bodies should be open for business when he needs it, the moment he needs it. After all, we love him, right? C’mon baby, you say you love me but you aren’t acting like it right now. And they don’t understand or see that their pressure and guilt is added to the pile of male needs and desires we’ve spent a lifetime collecting and being held responsible for.

We watch young girls, on the brink of womanhood who are ogled and leered at. Men, with their shirts straining against their dad-bods, scanning every inch of her. Oblivious to her discomfort. Unconcerned that she is still just a child. They act like they don’t see how their hot gaze makes her squirm. Making her feel equal parts dirty and self conscious and guilty. You see, she learned long ago in school that how she dresses is responsible for how men and boys act. But they’re oblivious to her tugging uncomfortably at her clothes because they don’t see her as a person and they’ve been taught that it’s harmless to do these things and it’s not big deal, it’s just guys being guys and geez, stop overreacting, wouldya?

We’ve heard the song, the one that has been in the background our whole lives. The one that tells us we’re the temptress, the siren of the sea. We’re Eve, licking the apple from our wet lips wearing nothing but a wicked grin. That we’re the built-in excuse for male aggression and anger and frustration and missteps. A convenient scapegoat for society’s ills.

We’re supposed to be “a lady in the street, but a freak in the bed.” Unless he’s not into that kind of thing, in which case we better figure that shit out and accommodate before he decides to dispose of us and tells his friends that we’re just a dirty whore.

We are not your property.

You don’t own us. You are not entitled to our bodies or our minds or our emotional labor.

It’s ownership when men get angry at the fat girl and call her names. How dare she go out in the world in a way that’s not pleasing to his eye?

It’s ownership when they scream at the transgender woman who doesn’t fit their idea of what a woman “should” be. And they’re going to make damn sure she knows it by their voice or their sneer or their laughter or their fist.

It’s ownership when dudes ask a lesbian if they can “get in on that action” or when they wink, “give me a chance to change your mind.” Because it’s really not about her identity and being who she is, it’s about them getting off.

We are not your participation trophies. We are not your conquest or your ego boost.

We are not here for you to decide how we should act/talk/smile/laugh/look/live.

Our role in the home or the board room or online is not yours to define.

Our daughters are not your son’s distractions.

Our wholeness is not a threat to your existence.

Our minds and bodies are tired of this game so if you could wake up and see that we’re not asking you to feel guilty or to drag you down, that would be great. We’re asking you to listen and to believe us and to help us make it stop.

Help us make it stop with the young girl getting dress coded because her body is a distraction to the boys.

Help us make it stop so that when she tells her teacher about a boy making a rape joke, she doesn’t get the “Boys will be boys” retort that tells her that her fears and safety are secondary to boys having fun and blowing off steam.

Help us make it stop because she will learn before she’s even out of puberty that grown men will take from her, whether it’s the lingering stares or the hand that rests on her shoulder for too long or some other innocuous gesture that she can’t put her finger on but she knows it’s not right. Help us before she goes off to college and she tells herself “boys will be boys” when a drinking game goes too far and she finds herself going from laughing and playing along to being victimized but feeling like she deserved it because she is just repeating what she’s seen and heard her whole life. Boys can’t control themselves. Their actions are just a response to you. You should have known better/done better.

Help us. Recognize when you see ownership, in all its forms. Tell your sons and your daughters and your coworkers and your bosses and your bros.

Help us because it’s this subtle sense of ownership that feeds the violence. It’s the little moments that add up and build up and give permission to a man to touch, to hit, to rape, to kill. It’s systemic and institutionalized ownership that allows lawmakers and judges and police officers to question a rape victim’s level of sobriety or her past sexual history or how much the rapist might suffer in prison so we really should give him a slap on the wrist because he is a preppy white rapist with a bright future.

Help us amplify this message. Help us stop the cycle of entitlement.

We are not your bitch, your slut, your problem. We are not your excuse, your reason, your burden.

651 Comments

How else do you want men to find females? Since approaching them in the bar is WRONG for you. How else should they introduce themselves? How will they find a relationship if they aren’t the ones making all the first moves? Let’s face it here, men are the ones doing the approaching since females are not. People like you completely ignore biology, it is human nature to reproduce and find partners yet here you are demonizing men for attempting to speak to females.

The issue concerns when the Hell men are going to learn that NO means NO. Go away means “don’t keep pestering me, I don’t find your self-obsessed persistence remotely endearing or entertaining. Just because YOU think I should be trembling with anticipation doesn’t mean that I HAVE to.” And even “IF I fancy you or think you might be worth getting to know, it is MY choice, not yours.” Because MensRightsCanada, Women have rights too, and that includes choosing NOT to procreate with you.

I’m afraid that you must aim the same lens at women as you aim at men, then. It’s hypocrisy otherwise. I have personally experienced the same thing many times. Women who simply cannot take a hint, and then cannot take being explicitly told to leave me alone until I get help from a female friend to intervene and pretend she is my girlfriend. So right back at you. Stop being so entitled to my body. I am a human being, and if you want to make this a gendered issue, you are sadly delusional. I suppose the only difference is, when I reject a woman in a bar, and she hits me over the head with a beer bottle (which has happened), everyone laughs, whereas when it happens to you, somehow it illustrates some monolithic flaw in males. You suck, and should have more compassion for people who are being mistreated, rather than trying to force everything into such a simple black and white cartoon.

I too have been subjected to female aggression. I treated it as it is, an aberration from the norm, a specific and particular instance of female as opposed to feminine divergence from accepted parameters. Not intrinsically aberrant in itself but exaggerated when displayed by a woman.

It has, in great part to do with the way the brain is wired. There are men with feminine brains just as there are women with male-oriented brains Nothing to do with gender. At conception every zygote has the potential to differentiate along the male OR female axis. As we now know from genetic studies into gender orientation, hermaphroditism, and all the other potentials for human development as well as the effects of socialisation, cultural norms, religious teachings, peer pressure and all the myriad ways that contribute to our sense of self, identity, attitudes and behaviours, no one size fits all.

Genderqueer people may identify as either having an overlap of, or indefinite lines between, gender identity; having two or more genders (being bigender, trigender, or pangender); having no gender (being agender, nongendered, genderless, genderfree or neutrois); hormonal inputs can affect behaviour, mood, thought patterns and world views. The effects of environment, from psychosocial inputs to environmental pollution, chemicals, air pollutants all have consequences for behaviour and attitudes. (Example, farm workers are reported as experiencing physical, emotional and behavioural changes as a result of chemical run-offs from agriculture. Even amphibians, fish and fowl are being changed, sexually and physically.)

At the end of the day, perhaps with the exception of those who have been damaged beyond their capacity to adjust, as in brain injury from accidents, drug induced psychoses, or structural damage in utero, we each are responsible for our own actions and thought patterns. If you are not man enough to respond to a woman out of control or just being more like a man than a simpering girl, with respect and dignity that is YOUR problem, not mine. If YOUR ego-integrity is so fragile get some help. I am retired from both Private Practice and Teaching and I’m not here to be your Therapist.

And frankly I don’t give a damn whether you accept my experience, studies, practice and teaching, I LIVED my life, you didn’t So here’s an example of real life speak. F*ck off and bother someone else.

Oh, and I know the general intellectual, educational and communicative capacity of the Human Race is sinking faster than the Titanic thanks to the poisons we have injected into every quadrant of existence, but SOME of us still like to use REAL words, grammatical forms and precise terms.

Don’t blame me if your cognitive and comprehension levels are below that of a five year old. I’m not talking to infants. Though when I DID teach infants they showed greater grasp and insight than you have thus far.

I missed that one. I clearly have a greater grasp of language than you, I’m afraid, and a silly non sequitur about the spectrum of gender notwithstanding, You utterly lack any intellectual rigour. Feeling the need to do a long-winded equivalent of “NO, YOU A BABY!” again doesn’t recommend your intelligence, or promote the idea that you are capable of rational thought. Good job. (You may have missed it, but your spelling errors, internet-shorthand, and incoherence were the give-aways that you are not of the age you claim, you have nothing notable happening in your vocabulary.)

I like this entry and I have one simple solution for the situations you describe. MOTHERS, START TEACHING YOUR SONS RESPECT FOR WOMEN AND DO IT TODAY. The men you’ve written about probably never had a confident woman around when they were younger. I am the mother of two boys. One is 9 and the other is 5. They instinctively already hold doors for women and they know we are special. It’s because they dearly love and RESPECT their mother. This is about feminism, it’s really about the state of our little boys.

“I like this entry and I have one simple solution for the situations you describe. MOTHERS, START TEACHING YOUR SONS RESPECT FOR WOMEN AND DO IT TODAY. They instinctively already hold doors for women and they know we are special. It’s because they dearly love and RESPECT their mother. This is about feminism, it’s really about the state of our little boys.”

This is so cringeworthy. These very same values you are teaching them are the very things that by female nature disgust and repel women away. For all women’s rantings about wanting a “nice guy” they sure don’t act on it. Men who do these things, they soon resent. They crave the badboy, the assholes, the ones that make their ‘ginas tingle with emotional rollercoasters.

If it repels a woman, she’s the wrong type of woman for them anyway. And please don’t tell me what “female nature” is. I am a female and you’re full of sh@#. I can understand why you feel this way though, you’ve obviously been burned more than a couple of times. Maybe it’s just you that repels the “female nature”.

That doesn’t even make sense 😂 you have a better indicator because you’ve dated some? I AM ONE. That’s like saying I know more about a penis than you do because I’ve dated a few guys. Go get some sleep, reboot that brain.

Yes but the patterns aren’t observed in a neutral environment. What you’re describing doesn’t even measure up to a case controlled study which is an inferior measure of strength to begin with. Also patterns of these women weren’t based upon their desires alone. You are factoring yourself into it. Whose to say how you tainted your own results.

All I can say is that you have a very limited and creepily distorted view of what women want. As a MALE psychologist with 30 years experience (including treating rape victims) I have to say that you appear to have a bad case of projection. It may true (and undoubtedly is) that some women have been conditioned by their childhood experience with men in positions of power to think that Bad Boys are a norm or a a proper version of masculinity to be desired. It says more about the men that conditioned them to think that way than the women who grew out of the badly treated child.

But then Men have ALWAYS used their power to condition women into accepting an inferior place in society. It is, after all, the only way most men can get to feel superior (or even adequate).

“All I can say is that you have a very limited and creepily distorted view of what women want. As a MALE psychologist with 30 years experience (including treating rape victims) I have to say that you appear to have a bad case of projection. It may true (and undoubtedly is) that some women have been conditioned by their childhood experience with men in positions of power to think that Bad Boys are a norm or a a proper version of masculinity to be desired. It says more about the men that conditioned them to think that way than the women who grew out of the badly treated child.”

So explain to me why women fall in love with men in prison? Why women fall in love with abusers? Why they repeatedly ignore the nice guys around them? You’ve got to be kidding me. Real world experience has taught me the realities of life, and these experiences also resonate with many other men sharing their experiences online. It’s a much bigger issue.

If you’re a real male psychologist, and I doubt you are, you’d have an idea of Hypergamy.

I can say with absolute certainty that you are not who you say you are. I’ve read a bunch of your comments, and you clearly cannot even use normal vocabulary, but child-like Internet speak. If you had actually been a psychologist for the last thirty years, as you claim, you would have a considerably better grasp of writing. With that lie, you are an example of “stupid people do not realize they are stupid.” So, you are male, a professional for thirty years, and a psychologist. I doubt every single one of those claims.

Hypergamy is a term used in SOCIAL SCIENCE not PSYCHOLOGY for the act or practice of a person marrying another of higher caste or social status than themselves. The antonym “hypogamy” refers to the inverse: marrying a person of lower social class or status. If you wish to make a point choose the right example.

The act of marrying above or below one’s social class is dependant to a greater or lesser degree on the extent to which the subject has been either Classically Conditioned (A PSYCHOLOGICAL term) or Operantly conditioned. i.e, how and why their attitudes, beliefs and self-esteem have been modified, altered or conditioned by their life-experiences and the actions of those with power (parents, teachers, adults, significant authority figures) who have established, influenced or changed their world view.

Socialisation and it’s concomitant effects on behaviour is a product of culture, ethnicity and social mores along with positive or negative life experiences, behaviour reinforcement, reward and punishment regimes, and to some extent ego-strength or weakness. Women who seek or submit to perceived powerful or power-hungry men (who are themselves psychologically damaged) are essentially trying to replay or resolve unsettled scenarios from childhood (often sublimated or repressed) or confirming their own negative self-view generated by their perceptions of what Power is or should be.

Falling in love in it’s true sense is not what these women experience. As evidenced by those who submit to relationships having never physically met their correspondents. It is generally accepted that love is a psycho/physical reaction based on chemical stimulus and expectations/attitudes/
as well as desires and needs. It is too simplistic to call it love. The fact is that women’s view of themselves has for too long been the product of what MEN have taught them is acceptable because MEN had the economic, political, social and physical power to enforce THEIR ideas of what a woman should be. For the majority of women in the period of time that Homo sapiens has existed to rebel, protest or disagree with Male definitions was to invite at least exclusion or castigation and at worst Death.

Your post confirms my own opinion based on experience, observation and study of the deficits in the male psyche and it’s contribution to the current decline of Humanity and it’s inevitable conclusion.

Oh, and another thing, those patterns you discern are most likely the result of your own subconscious need to resolve the repressed issues created in your own childhood. It is a common phenomena among all humans to replay or attempt to resolve unfinished business. Unfortunately, most of us only succeed in reinforcing our negative patterns or expectations because that is what our earliest learning experiences conditioned us to believe was the norm.

If you only keep repeating the negative pattern of relationships you need to seek professional help to address them and change YOUR thought patterns.

I have been saying this since long before the Women’s Movement gained traction. It is sad but true that the behaviour of men is derived directly from the socialisation they experience as little boys, when women are generally the dominant influence in their lives. Having said that, I wish there were more MEN who had the guts and desire to grow up and outgrow their childhood conditioning and thereby become self-actuating Adults instead of just bigger adolescents. I really don’t know why it is that so few men can achieve emotional maturity, it can’t be all the result of the mothers who indulged their dependency. I honestly believe that it is some kind of joke played by Nature to ensure enough procreation occurs. Which begs the question, why is White Male fertility plummeting?

Maybe Mother Nature has finally woken up to Her mistake and decided to cull the over-population.

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Well, you said you are male, so does that mean you as well, or are you special snowflake? The reality is, you have very little education, spouting off first year psych nonsense which hasn’t been taken seriously since you received (theoretically 30+ years ago). Instead. You offer a celebratory cheer for the extinction of half of the humans in the world, a bunch of physical, emotional, sexual, and moral shaming, and somehow you think you have the high horse. Your comments, even more than the original post, illustrate reasons for disavowing oneself from feminism.

I was married, a father and a bad husband. Not a terrible one, just one who had not confronted or addressed the baggage I carried from childhood. I did my best with the little insight I had but it was not enough. My marriage failed, I left the two lights of my life in pain and uncertainty and struggled to find a way through my mistakes and weaknesses. Without going into detail, I was lucky enough to get into therapy after much heartbreak and damage to those I loved and myself.

That led me into a program of study that lasts to this day. I became a therapist myself, taught others using my own experiences and shortcomings as teaching aids. I bared my own soul to those who doubted themselves and together we grew in confidence and self-worth. Not one of my clients OR students ever had cause to doubt my sincerity or care for their well-being. Not one ever challenged my humanity. The way this “civilisation” is going that is no longer true. My faith in Humanity has been killed, murdered, and chopped into pieces by what MEN have done and ARE doing. I have not changed, the world has, or rather it has become more visible.

After a few abortive attempts at relationships I realised I was not a viable partner for another woman. I was not prepared to submit anyone else to the pain, indignity or heartbreak of another failure. I made a decision then that I would never again risk hurting another human being just to satisfy my own ego or soothe my own wounds. I have been celibate from choice for over 30 years. Totally. I give unconditional love to those who need it and ask nothing in return. I have accepted my responsibility for my own emotional stability and needs, asking no one’s approval or acceptance.

Oh and as for you calumny about my professional training, I spent at least 2 years in Professional Therapy and 6 years in study covering Child Development, Behavioural, Cognitive and Psychosocial Psychology, Communications, Deviant Psychology, Interpersonal Psychology, Psychology of Work, Counselling Theory AND Practice as well as various Physical Therapies. Don’t tell me what I don’t know. As for the celebratory cheer, it is for the total extinction of Homo sapiens before the damage being done by them to Planet Earth is irreversible.

It is BECAUSE I recognised my OWN deficits, admitted them and owned them, instead of whining about my upbringing or how my mother abused me and how HER father abused HER and how HIS parents taught HIM with violence and criticism and how the Edwardians learned from the Victorians and the violence of the Tudors and the Droit de Seigneur of the Dark Ages and and and, always blaming someone else, long dead and gone, for OUR responses and OUR inadequacies, that I took MYSELF into therapy, had the guts to admit that I needed help and could not do it alone and found the courage to ASK for the help that eventually led to my becoming a Therapist myself.

The difference betwixt thee and me is that I am NOT afraid to acknowledge my Shadow Self, I do not BLAME it on others nor seek exculpation because of my genes. I have owned my guilt, learned from it and used it to relate to the guilt of others and sit alongside them in journeys of self-discovery. It is BECAUSE I have seen my own weaknesses and wickedness that I been able to relate to clients and help them to address their own.

It was hard, very hard, painful and often soul-destroying but I became a better person and shared my experience to help others.

Mass sexual assault in Frankfurt by refugees ‘completely made up’- THE iNDEPENDENT

The Truth About The New Years Eve Refugee Attacks On Women In Germany
Information revealed by Cologne public prosecutor Ulrich Bremer largely proves the hate-mongering has been a misguided attempt to blame an easy scapegoat. only three of 58 suspects arrested so far in connection with the attacks are refugees, two from Syria and one from Iraq. – Mint Press News

“When white men are discovered to have committed acts of sexual violence while playing that role of heroic rescuer they’ve grown so accustomed to, they’re seen as bad apples and anomalies. The gang rape and murder of a fourteen-year-old Iraqi girl by white U.S. soldiers was not considered characteristic of white men universally, or even of U.S. soldiers in Iraq, in the way that the Cologne attacks have been interpreted as evidence of a general problem with Muslim men. Similarly, numerous reported incidents of child sex abuse by EU peacekeeping forces in the Central African Republic have not been presented by European media outlets as evidence white Europeans are bringing a culture of rape to other societies.

The oh-so chivalric attempts to use the safety of white European women like myself as a justification for racist violence and hostility and to deny other human beings the basic right to refuge is particularly tiresome when women in Europe have never been safe from sexual violence, regardless of the movement of migrants. Anti-Muslim and anti-refugee advocates claim to enjoy gallantly confronting “difficult questions,” so here’s one: Why won’t we admit that many of the faults we ascribe to other cultures are equally a part of our own? ” – Abi Wilkinson, February 23, 2016

Time for the facts. What do we know about Cologne four months later? – https:// thecorrespondent.com/ 4401 – Yermi BRENNER & Katrin OHLENDORF

I think your answer belongs to a different post alltogether. This isn’t about men and their skin colour or religous affiliation-this post is about men’s unwillingness to collaborate with rather than control women.

There seem to be no options for replying to replies so this is posted here.

Steph, this thread arose out of the assertion that White Men aren’t Rapists or sexual molesters of WOMEN (and children) and that it’s all (or mostly) the fault of OTHER groups of men that women are generally disrespected, abused, assaulted and denigrated. That White Western Men have not demeaned or confined or controlled women since their arrival in our species 8000 years ago. That any issues women may have are NOT the fault of White Western Men and that those men bear no responsibility for the restrictions, harms and abuse that women of ALL nationalities, colour or origin have suffered.

My contention is that MEN as a sub-group of homo sapiens have always and will continue to abuse, control and demean women as compensation for their own inadequacies, REGARDLESS of national ethnicity.

The reason why you don’t see many women scientists is because women are by and large not that interested in such things. I don’t think its unreasonable to point that out. Let’s be fair. Women are more into feminine pursuits, such as watching daytime tv, shopping, gossiping, being facetious and disingenuous and intellectually dishonest, working at silly little office jobs, trying to be one of the boys when it suits them, reading erotic literature with their cats, molesting their dogs, flicking their beans, and just generally being thick as shit. The funny thing is, even if I was deliberately trying to be facetious, I’d have a hard time thinking of something dumb that women don’t actually do. But don’t get me wrong, I do love women. I love it when they shut their damn mouths lest they get smacked the fuck up. Look, I’m trying to have an open dialogue here ladies, let’s not be at each others’ throats. God bless our furry friends.

Mayor Steve Adler sides with Wonder Woman (and women) in screening dispute
by Kevin Orr
One thing everyone in Austin knows is that you can count on Mayor Steve Adler to protect the underdog. He is always there to fight for new low income housing for Austinites who are being pushed out by gentrification. Mayor Adler has also fought to build a new shelter to protect the many homeless citizens who have no place to be safe from the cold winter nights or call home. And, Super Mayor Adler will swoop in to protect anybody attacked by a misogynistic, malicious bigot who attacks women over a private showing of “Wonder Woman” at Austin based Alamo Drafthouse.

On May 26th Mayor Adler received this e-mail from an individual named Richard A. Ameduri:

“I hope every man will boycott Austin and do what he can to diminish Austin and to cause damage to the city’s image. The theater that pandered to the sexism typical of women will, I hope, regret it’s decision. The notion of a woman hero is a fine example of women’s eagerness to accept the appearance of achievement without actual achievement. Women learn from an early age to value make-up, that it’s OK to pretend that you are greater than you actually are. Women pretend they do not know that only men serve in combat because they are content to have an easier ride. Women gladly accept gold medals at the Olympics for coming in 10th and competing only against the second class of athletes. Name something invented by a woman! Achievements by the second rate gender pale in comparison to virtually everything great in human history was accomplished by men, not women. If Austin does not host a men only counter event, I will never visit Austin and will welcome its deterioration. And I will not forget that Austin is best known for Charles Whitman. Does Austin stand for gender equality or for kissing up to women? Don’t bother to respond. I already know the answer. I do not hate women. I hate their rampant hypocrisy and the hypocrisy of the “women’s movement.” Women do not want gender equality; they want more for women. Don’t bother to respond because I am sure your cowardice will generate nothing worth reading.”

Obviously Mr. Amenduri did not realize who he was dealing with. Mayor Adler posted the following to his official website (link) in response:

Dear Mr. Ameduri,

I am writing to alert you that your email account has been hacked by an unfortunate and unusually hostile individual. Please remedy your account’s security right away, lest this person’s uninformed and sexist rantings give you a bad name. After all, we men have to look out for each other!
Can you imagine if someone thought that you didn’t know women could serve in our combat units now without exclusion? What if someone thought you didn’t know that women invented medical syringes, life rafts, fire escapes, central and solar heating, a war-time communications system for radio-controlling torpedoes that laid the technological foundations for everything from Wi-Fi to GPS, and beer? And I hesitate to imagine how embarrassed you’d be if someone thought you were upset that a private business was realizing a business opportunity by reserving one screening this weekend for women to see a superhero movie.

You and I are serious men of substance with little time for the delicate sensitivities displayed by the pitiful creature who maligned your good name and sterling character by writing that abysmal email. I trust the news that your email account has been hacked does not cause you undue alarm and wish you well in securing your account. And in the future, should your travels take you to Austin, please know that everyone is welcome here, even people like those who wrote that email whose views are an embarrassment to modernity, decency, and common sense.

Yours sincerely, Steve Adler

You see you don’t mess around with Super Mayor Steve Adler because as we say in Texas “He’s a man to be reckoned with”. Mayor Adler is truly a man of the people and for the people. He is a Mayor’s Mayor and will soon be battling Governor Abbott and the state of Texas in court to fight for undocumented immigrants everywhere and defeat SB4 the unconstitutional “Sanctuary City – Show Me Your Papers Bill.” Steve Adler is a man you always want on your side because you know he’ll always be on the right side of history!

I think there is a balance of power missing here between men and women. Often times it feels like the fight is to try to shift the balance to benefit one gender more so than the other. It’s even apparent in the discussions here in the comments. None-the-less, this was an insightful article and got me as a woman even looking at some things that beyond what I already knew about this issue of “Ownership”.

Narcissistic whining ad infinitum. Forever Feminism – utter misery for men, women, and children, to the end of time. What a glorious prospect, attractive only to dysfunctional bitter vengeful women, who want everyone else to be as miserable as they are. No thanks, count mentally healthy people out of the project.

Hey Mike, this article is a recruitment manifesto for MGTOW. I know you are MRA and I appreciate your efforts. But dude, wake up man. The chick who wrote this drivel and her legion of sycophants, both male and female, are what the MRA is up against and these same people populate and control the government and its enforcement arm.

MGTOW is the only answer for a man as Westen civilization enters the beginning of the end of its demographic winter. Mike, the die is cast. The only hope for the West is massive social change, which must originate with the females. Stop being an ineffective MRA and become an effective MGTOW by using your platform to create the massive social change.

MGTOW effects are starting to be felt. If every man in the West went MGTOW overnight there would be change in the laws in less than a month. MGTOW is the magic strategy for you to win the MRA war.

Think about this. In July of 1863 the Army of Northern Virginia was in Pennsylvania with nothing to stop it from marching north and burning Harrisburg and then Philadelphia and then even New York. If that strategy was adopted the CSA would have won the war by September.

Mike, you and the MRA are making the same mistake Lee made in 1863. You are fighting a war of annihilation by rules that don’t apply to a war of annihilation, which by definition has no rules. Only a winner and a loser. You are destined to lose, and the West also.

Men need to wake up and realize a new slavery is upon them. The masculine societies will make short work of the feminized and depopulated West. For Western men annihilation is coming. If we awaken together we can beat it. MGTOW is the magic bullet of change before it is too late. And if it is already too late, MGTOW is the only rational alternative.

Hi John. I have publicly self-identified as a MGTOW on numerous occasions. However, where we differ is in our view of the future of MGTOW. I do not believe that MGTOW will ever grow as a phenomenon to the point that it will be a game changer, which is why I have been working full-time as an MRA for over five years. Being MGTOW and not engaging in the battle for men’s and boys’ rights is an easy option.

You’ve missed the point, Mike. We cannot win this war by fighting with them on the MSM and legal turf that they control. It is as futile as Picket’s Charge or the Charge of the Light Brigade.

The North Viet Namese beat the most powerful military in the world using unconventional tactics. Their tactics will not work for us. But the tactics of Ghandi will. Just like Ghandi, the tactics of MGTOW are peaceful indifference and withdrawal of resources.

Articles are written in the MSM spinning the death of marriage and the ever shrinking dateing prospects of women as women’s choice when the truth is men aren’t asking (MGTOW). Women can’t get mentored in the workplace because their male superiors are scared to death of being behind closed doors with them (MGTOW). Women complain that chivalry is dead (MGTOW). Women complain about where have all the good men gone (MGTOW). The list of the negative effects of MGTOW on women go on and on. The MRA can’t even stop MGM, which for some reason seems to be the raison d’etre of J4MB these days.

Mike, I’ve never seen anything in the MSM, particularly the BBC, where you publically identified as MGTOW. If you have, I apologize for missing it. My point is that for the vast majority of men identifying as MGTOW, or even MRA, is social and career suicide. You have demonstrated the courage to take the fight to their public turf and your efforts are applauded.

But, just like Don Quixote, you are tilting at the wrong windmill. The MRA is trying to win a legal and political war that simply cannot be done. The only chance we have is using the social weapon. Millions of men are already doing so privately without ever having heard of MGTOW. Just think what a rallying cry around MGTOW philosophy could be. “Make Men Great Again” would have a larger effect than “Make America Great Again”.

Instead of “build the wall” we use “wall in your resources”. Brexit becomes Manexit. The list goes on. The rise of women against feminism is proof that they see where MGTOW is heading and it scares them to death. The MRA is an ineffective joke. It doesn’t bother them one iota. Women don’t care about circumcision at all, but they do care a whole lot about access to male resources. They are just fine with a turtle neck but the prospect of no dates or marriage terrifies them.

I’m simply asking the MRA to step back from the tactical and examine the strategic. MRA tactics have been ineffective for 150 years. MGTOW strategy is less than 10 years old and its effects are starting to be felt and reacted to. Stop making the mistakes of aging generals by fighting the new war with the tactics of the last war. MGTOW is the winning strategy and cannot be stopped if men in sufficient numbers wake up to this fact.

Feminists and their white knights are well versed in how to handle MRA. They have no idea how to defeat MGTOW, and it scares them. Mike, take MGTOW mainstream and you will win your MRA fight because of simple economics. When retail sales plummet because of MGTOW the corporate world will make their political puppets react to restore sales. Are you starting to get it?

Don’t fight a legal and political war with the enemies weapons on their turf. Fight them with economics at the grass roots level and you will win. Cheers, and good luck. I’ll be saving my money and watching from the sidelines as are a growing mass of men worldwide.

John, your whole position rests on the premise of enough men going MGTOW. I don’t buy that premise, because most men still want good long-term intimate relationships with women, however unlikely they are to realise that ambition. Here’s a suggestion. A British man should start a MGTOW political party, maybe even calling it MGTOW. It’s your best chance of getting MSM coverage. It would cost £150 and only two people required. Show J4MB how it should be done.

I just looked up the meanings of MGTOW and MRA and I’ve never read such self-pitying, ego-centric and puppy-whimpering balderdash in my life. Talk about rewriting history to suit the narrative, what a load of self-defeating and ultimately civilisation destroying clap-trap.

If you put one tenth the energy into addressing the issues facing the whole planet as you put into bigging yourselves up this world and it’s inhabitants MIGHT stand a chance of seeing in the NEXT Millenium.

But you won’t because as ever, Man-baby’s only do what suits Man-baby’s.

LET US KNOW IF YOU FIND ANY. Not sure you could recognise a mentally healthy person with the attitudes and blinkered vision that you amply demonstrate here. Thought you might like another target to denigrate and dismiss, Hedy Lamarr – responsible for your WiFi capability. Not acknowledged until now, but only recognised by men for her looks. Such petty little minds, unable to see beyond their own fantasies.

Mike Buchanan; Definition – narcissism personified. The nadir of masculinity, a self-congratulatory misogynist with the personality and personability of a dead skunk, the wit of Attila The Hun and the humanity of Boris Johnson. I can think of no person I would wish to meet less, except perhaps Donald J Drumpf.

Dear Drifting Through, I see where you deleted my comment about how you should really love us MGTOW and I was looking forward to your article extolling MGTOW virtues. Why did you delete it? Does MGTOW frighten you that much?

Just looking through your lies, myopia, hatred, and dehumanization of other human beings on this thread will turn more people against feminism than anything I could imagine. This is coming from a 45 year old man who grew up in a radical second wave household with a politically minded mother who has taken the government to court several times for women’s rights. I have always considered myself a feminist, and at times even a radical feminist, but the nonsense you spout has gone beyond the lunatic fringe, and is now a wholesale, culture-wide dehumanization of half of the human race. I remember the seventies as a kid. There wasn’t this much belittling, disrespect, and sneering contempt for other human beings on any side of the gender discussion (at least not in any serious quantity). You have become what you were fighting, You have stared too long in the abyss, and you have become the monster.

I wish more women would speak out against this utter dehumanization of males you spout.

It wasn’t ME that set up sex-camps during both World Wars, it wasn’t ME that created the Nazi Lebensborn Programme, it wasn’t ME that criminalised women who needed abortions, reproductive health care or who were forced into work in the sex-trade as the Men who controlled them, used them and bought and sold them went scot-free, it wasn’t ME that has used Rape as a Weapon of War on every inhabited continent on the planet, it wasn’t ME that denied women education, work, financial independence, property rights or just the right to hold an opinion, it wasn’t ME that sent women with post-natal depression to prison for feeling suicidal, it wasn’t ME that used my position of power and authority to demean, belittle, abuse and hold back women in the work place as a matter of policy and practice.

Neither have these things been visited on men in any way comparable or with consistency over thousands of years.

It is those like you who now see their positions of authority, power and control threatened and under siege, who feel their grasp on the levers of power being pulled away and their absolute right to exert control over the lives of more than half the world’s population being challenged, confronted and denied who have done these things. And you cannot cope. Pathetic.

Nor was it me. Nor anyone I would know, or side with. You, like the MGTOW guy above to a lesser extent, seem to think you have it figured out. You don’t, nor do I, nor does anyone. Dehumanizing and enemizing others is a clear sign you are on the wrong path, however. You are both sacred and hurt, and take your potentially justifiable injustices and try to simplify the world to help you cope. Of course, you do it by making everything black and white, and inventing a general purpose enemy to attack, without any consideration of compassion, love, empathy, of amelioration of the world. It is sad, and I hope you get no traction for your ill-conceived hatred. Most people are pretty decent, and want to treat others well, despite your “splitting” and paranoia.

Then I guess it was Unicorns who did these things to millions of women every year. And yes I AM sacred, but NOT scared. My life is ending and it has been a rich, fulfilling and interesting one. Just because you have managed to swan through life with your eyes closed doesn’t exonerate your complicity by silence of the real experiences of women on a scale you could never imagine.

I have counselled rape victims and domestic abuse victims, been a victim myself, as a child and adult. I have NOT been allowed to sleep-walk my way through life. MY viewpoint is based on actuality not wishful thinking.

I’m glad you are not one of the monstrous regiments of men who think they have the right to use other human beings like soiled tissues. And no, I don’t have the answers, because the answers have to come from men themselves. And the FACT is that most men are too juvenile to imagine another person could HAVE feelings let alone have consideration for them.

As for my path, I have devoted my entire life since age 7 to the service of others. I have earned the right to criticise those who think only of themselves.

As for your last sentence, the evidence in every News Bulletin, Newspaper, strongly suggest the opposite.

Do you GET irony? Like the irony of saying all men want to be castrated in response to “all women want to be raped”? Or how about the irony of a “MAN” telling women to speak against a man defending them from MALE abuse. One couldn’t make this up.

This article is amazing and took all that I’ve wanted to express for so long and summed it up beautifully. The comments on the other hand, given by some sad, sad men in response to this article, are utterly disgusting and heartbreaking.

If someone can state so firmly and passionately, and Truthfully: “You don’t own me”, and have it be met with aggression and belittlement, what does that imply? It is the same sick mentality of the “Dominator Culture” that is responsible for racism, slavery, and ultimately Murder. What did the American Slaves and abolitionists fight so hard for? “You don’t own Me” was their message. It’s called Human Rights.

This is not based on a whim or a small matter or annoyance. This is about thousands of years of systematic oppression against women being finally brought to an end. Women make up MORE than 50% of the human population, are givers of life, and, in my own opinion, have been TOO damn nice to the Anti-feminine so-called “Men” who have usurped power over the globe to strip us of our own power, autonomy, and beauty. Who won’t let us feel comfortable with just being FUCKING WOMEN. PEOPLE.

This is our reality as women every day. Our history is filled with bloodshed and shame. Who cries over it? Who feels the pain and can relate to it? Women. “Feminism” doesn’t lose any power because certain people think it’s “too much” or are blind to the fight because they are men and don’t experience the shit we have to deal with on a daily basis. It’s not a laughing matter or a fucking Trend. It’s thousands of years in the making. It’s a cause worth fighting and for many, dying for.

J.J. – no thoughts on MGTOW? You have strong opinions about the historical treatment of women and one would think you would relish the idea of men going MGTOW. I don’t understand your silence. Please enlighten me.

And some of us – the GROWN UPS of the MASCULINE gender – not the pouting baby boys – are confident enough in our OWN gender identity NOT to resent or belittle YOURS. There ARE SOME men who don’t need to demean or denigrate women and are prepared to stand beside you in the fight for true equality and emancipation. It’s just such a shame there aren’t more of us.

I didn’t even have to look to know that there would be small boys with small toys here to cry and whine about women and to mansplain and demean women’s contributions to science and tech as “not important” or “worthless”; in addition to, of course, the usual “feminists hate men”, the cat lady jokes, the claiming that women who speak up for themselves are all just lonely fat spinsters, and so forth.

Nobody did that. I pointed out that the contributions of Ada Lovelace have been grossly exaggerated deliberately, which they have. And Marie Curie DISCOVERED 2 elements, she didn’t invent anything, and she shared another nobel prize despite it being 2 men’s work.

These are 2 specific cases. Nothing to do with gender politics, just correcting and clarifying. “Mansplain’ is a neologism used by leftists to try and silence dissent, usually inconvenient truths. The fact feminists invented it exemplifies how much they hate and want to silence men.

Hi! Not all feminists hate men. in fact, most don’t! Hope you can come to understand that someday.

Also, it’s incredibly simplistic to say Curie didn’t “invent” anything when her work required quite a few new techniques and approaches in order to deal with these new elements. It wasn’t like she just stumbled on something then rode on the coattails of men, which is kind of how you make it sound. She was a very talented scientist who deserved the credit she got. Also, in the sciences, there are many cases of men getting full credit for work that women did. And of course, women have only been more recently allowed the same access as men to scientific fields. If you do some research, you’ll find women have been contributing to sciences and technology in many many ways for all of human history. There are many examples of these things other than Lovelace and Curie. Of course, women probably would have done more if women had been allowed in these schools, and if they had always been given equal credit for their work, which was not always the case. I’ve learned all of this through years of research. It’s just how things are. None of that diminishes the great work that men have done throughout history. Great men from history are still taught about and still deserve credit for what they did. No women are saying “the women actually did everything, the men did nothing.” But the truth is women did a lot more throughout history than many people know about. It wasn’t equal, because they weren’t allowed to be an equal part of these fields and did experience a lot of push-back. I’m confused why drawing attention to female accomplishments in history offends some men. It really doesn’t take away from the great accomplishments men did. It just illuminates the truth of the situation a little more clearly. It’s good for young girls to know there were some awesome women in these fields in the past. That will lead to more women in STEM fields in the future. We need men and women working together to make the most of the future. Thanks.

“Also, it’s incredibly simplistic to say Curie didn’t “invent” anything when her work required quite a few new techniques and approaches in order to deal with these new elements.”

Like?

“. It wasn’t like she just stumbled on something then rode on the coattails of men, which is kind of how you make it sound. ”

That’s how it DOES sound.

“She was a very talented scientist who deserved the credit she got. ”

I’m sceptical. Too many instances of women riding men’s coattails. Ada Lovelace, for example, being billed as the first programmer, when it was clearly Charles Babbage.

” Also, in the sciences, there are many cases of men getting full credit for work that women did.”

Such as?

” And of course, women have only been more recently allowed the same access as men to scientific fields. ”

And yet they still barely make any significant contributions.

“If you do some research, you’ll find women have been contributing to sciences and technology in many many ways for all of human history. ”

Were they prevented from science or did they get access to science? You keep contradicting yourself.

” There are many examples of these things other than Lovelace and Curie.”

Many is a huge exaggeration. There are a handful.

“Of course, women probably would have done more if women had been allowed in these schools, and if they had always been given equal credit for their work, which was not always the case”

Baseless assertions. You must be a feminist.

” But the truth is women did a lot more throughout history than many people know about.”

Men did a lot more throughout history than many people know about. Most men are not Newton and Galileo and suchlike and don’t get the recognition.

” It wasn’t equal, because they weren’t allowed to be an equal part of these fields and did experience a lot of push-back. ”

You’re making this about sex. It’s about class. 99% of men for most of history had no access to these things. And by the way, not having access to university is no excuse. Most inventions and innovations throughout history came from men who hadn’t been formally educated. So if they could do it, why couldn’t women? Answer: 1) They didn’t want to, and 2) they are different than men neurologically and thus behaviourally and don’t pursue these things, and certainly not to the obsessive degree the top men do.

” It’s good for young girls to know there were some awesome women in these fields in the past. That will lead to more women in STEM fields in the future. ”

Girls don’t need to be patronised. If they are interested in science, they are going to be interested in it regardless of how many women were in science historically. Let them choose what they want to do and don’t propagandise and discriminate in favour of and you’ll find barely any women go into science. And that’s okay

When people attempt to choose a field that is not historically acceptable (women in science, men as stay-at-home dads) then the flak can be tremendous and even fatal in some societies. It’s important to everyone to show examples of PEOPLE doing jobs that are not generally thought to be men’s/women’s work and enjoying it. Success is great but that’s not the only reason for going into a field.

People in general seem to think that only “real” fill-in-the-blank women/men do certain jobs and that is ultimately silly and wasteful of humanity’s talents and energy. It’s really about control and power over others rather than any rational or logical thought, especially these days when we have machines that can augment a person’s physical or mental strength. Encourage ALL kids of any sex to study the things they love, give them the support and tools they need to learn and then stand back for the renaissance of science, art and all the rest.

And if you haven’t seen women obsessively pursue a subject then you are really not paying attention. In the music industry you will find thousands of women putting in the hours necessary to become concert-quality players in every type of instrument, in the physical arts such as dressage, field, track, hockey, etc., or in any other field you care to carefully examine. And if there are few or no women in the field look harder for the exclusionary behavior of the men already there. When size and weight are not a requirement (for example in football or Sumo wrestling) there are always some women interested in giving things a try. And even then there are a few women who qualify and are interested and are actually taking part. Just because there aren’t “many” is no reason to limit the field to one sex or another. That’s just sexism and not really based on anything other than those pesky 6000-plus years of social conditioning that we’re all laboring under.

And DON’T they do it well? It almost as though they think they are RIGHT to be shitty little whiners, like it’s a badge of Courage to show what a nonce they all are and how pathetic their whining is. Oh wait, silly me, they DO think that, for REAL.

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Contribution to Computing
The computer was invented by Charles Babbage, with whom Ada worked. Ada Byron was an English writer known for her work on the early mechanical general-purpose computer. Her notes include the first algorithm intended to be processed by a machine and, as such, Ada Byron is regarded as the world’s first computer programmer.

In a nine-month period from 1842-1843, Ada Byron translated an Italian mathematician’s memoir for Charles’ newest machine. As she was translating, she compiled a set of notes for herself.

In her notes, she compiled a method for calculating a sequence of Bernoulli numbers with the engine. Had the analytical engine had ever been built, experts suggest Ada’s program would have run correctly on it.

When Dorothy Stein contended that Charlie mostly wrote the programs and Ada took the credit, he defended Ada’s contribution and wrote the following on the subject:

“I then suggested that she add some notes to Menabrea’s memoir, an idea which was immediately adopted. We discussed together the various illustrations that might be introduced: I suggested several but the selection was entirely her own. So also was the algebraic working out of the different problems, except, indeed, that relating to the numbers of Bernoulli, which I had offered to do to save Lady Lovelace the trouble. This she sent back to me for an amendment, having detected a grave mistake which I had made in the process.”

No matter if it was truly her work or the influence of others, Ada Byron will still be widely considered as an influential women in computer programming.

Not that it makes any of the mentioned problems less a problem, but there is an issue every man faces as he turns 18.

Men literally ARE property, of the state, should the government will it. That’s what you are required to accept in writing when registering for the draft. Is it surprising then maybe that men continue to treat others as property?

Well, they did it with slaves, they did it with the native inhabitants of the lands they stole, they do it with the planet itself. Given that it is MEN responsible for drafting OTHER men to fight for them out of cowardice and entitlement, (rather like the draft-dodging cowardly sexual predator now giving licence to every imbecile in the Useless Shitpile of Arseholes to be a sex-criminal) why are you surprised that men continue to treat others as LESS than human?

The fact that Amerikan’t has a lousy Constitution based on antediluvian notions of enslaving ANYONE or ALL and that the State has rights is a problem for YOU. Enlightened societies see the people AS the state and their rights are paramount.

Most nations today have abolished conscription, it’s mainly the regressive/aggressive male dominated states that continue to enslave their own citizens. These same aberrant states are the ones most likely to circumscribe the rights and roles of women. Turkey is a case in point right now as is Russia.

Men aren’t entitled to anything more than anyone else- and they also have the right to shut the fuck up. Nothing person, just putting your words into a broader application because why not? If it works for one then it works for the other.

Gretchen, thank you for helping the abnormal be seen as abnormal. There is so much work to be done around issues of respect and boundaries. Making the unconscious, conscious. I have been spending some time trying to better understand how that plays out in the sexual arena!!! If you are interested in this, go to “Fifty Shades of Sexual Connection” at snakeskinned.com It goes from Violently Disconnected Sex, to Blissfully Connected! https://snakeskinned.com/2016/08/18/fifty-shades-of-connection/ also talking about issues of sexual vampirism, boundaries and clear contracts!!! Hope you enjoy! Julie

Thank you for posting this fantastic piece. I have also spent a while reading through the vitriol spewed your way by people who have done nothing but prove your point in every sense. But do not ever let that deter you!

That’s messed up logic. Disagree with a feminist and ‘you prove her point’. So who was right, Hitler or the Jews? I mean they both disagreed with each other. I’ll have a guess. The female Jews were right but Hitler and the male Jews were wrong.

Hello Lawrence. I’m afraid you are mistakenly replying to my comment here. I was actually addressing the author of this piece, not you, so I can only assume your reply to me was accidentally misguided. I will add, however, that if any time I come across any of your work and also feel compelled to write words of high regard and/or support to you, then I am more than happy to engage in an exchange.

I know they say never read the comments section but yours was rather good, for this piece. Congrats on getting it shared so much and for writing something which caused such incredible outrage. Astonishing really, how much of a threat you appear to have posed, or I’m sure there would be barely a ripple of acknowledgement.

I thought this post was really well written, thought provoking and right on the money. It’s true- we don’t owe each other anything but civility, honesty, kindness and space to be as we truly are.

I also think that every person on the planet should read “A History of Their Own” by Bonnie S. Anderson and Judith P. Zinsser. It makes it painfully clear that women and men both (and all the “other” sexes) have been cruelly treated over the last 6000-plus years and made to behave in really outrageously bad ways because of gaslighting and brainwashing.

Humans are far more than their sexual organs/orientations and to limit us to these body/mind/heart aspects is just a travesty. If we allowed for ALL humans to have equal civil rights, equality before the law and all the rest we would see a real renaissance in the world. When we see each other as being humans first and sexual beings second or even third or fourth then we can really blossom.

I’m not denigrating sex, sexual desire, sexual behavior or anything like that- as long as it’s coming about through informed consent and between adults. I’m a big fan of orgasms for everyone! But to promote this idea that any person owes another person sexual service because of their apparent sex, the clothes they wear or their relationship to each other is simply slavery. I’ve been very happily partnered for over 30 years and consent is still an everyday part of ALL the things we do together, including sex. And believe me, sex with an enthusiastically consenting partner is FANTASTIC. If you think it’s too much trouble or a dash of cold water on sex then you’re absolutely doing it wrong.

Thank you drinsf for your one example of maybe a man stealing a women’s discovery or idea. I can raise you proven examples of men and women doing this to other men and women.
Its annoying when feminists attribute everyday things to gender.

You know what’s scary? That in some places in the western world 46% of DV is committed by women on men… WHEN the duluth model is in place!!! It’s scary to think how far the pendulum would swing if the duluth model was abolished… Makes me also wonder if we would have more wars with women in charge.

History would suggest otherwise. Of course it’s only HIS story, so who knows. What IS interesting is that the times when Women HAVE been in charge and HAVE acted like MEN they are castigated, scorned, vilified and condemned, whereas men are Heros, Patriots, Leaders and Conquerors.

What is also notable is that the number of women who DO behave like men (perhaps because of the masculine orientation of their brain-wiring) is so small that their actions are highlighted and given great emphasis and publicity. If men do it, ahh. that’s just boys being boys.

One thing IS certain, however, MEN are taking this planet to another Extinction Event so it’s all moot.

this is so wrong.
why is it that feminism causes these idiotic people to “OWN” wrongs
im a MAN
and ive had women treat me like a piece of meat in a similar manner as her example.. not quite the same but women are different than men. but CLOSE

Yep, I’ve been badly treated by women as well as men, though the men being mean far outnumber the women- and the women weren’t likely to beat, kill or rape me if they thought I “deserved” it. Still, I get it that women can be really, really mean and I’m sorry you experienced that bad stuff. And I’m with Dawn- we’re here and we’re listening. How did that make you feel?

If I could give the world a gift, it would be providing the financial means for men on this thread like our dear Geheim to experience a year of psychoanalysis to confront whatever unresolved trauma they have with women. Their misplaced anger makes me both sad and embarrassed for you.

Interesting. I’m a life-long feminist and now into the 32nd year of a fabulous marriage with a gorgeous, loving and feminist man. We are deeply devoted to each other, support each other in everything and have been so since our very first date. It took us both a lot of searching to find each other, a lot of negative experiences to figure out what we wanted from a partner but when we met it was not just love at first sight but, wow, you’re my best friend EVER at first sight! We have lots and lots of dear friends whom we adore, we love animals and the planet and our jobs, we love our home and our housemate and her friends and pet, we love many more things than we hate. In fact, I’d say that we and our feminist friends are some of the happiest and most loving people around and we come in all colors, shapes, sizes and religions/nonreligions. How do we do this? First and foremost, respectful honesty with each other, a willingness to listen and discuss things until we reach understanding (NOT debate, discussion), and finally humility and kindness towards each other and our friends.

Not much hate here at all, not even for people like you, Nisvoll. Pity and empathy, though. None of us wants anyone to feel so badly about anything. I hope you find happiness and peace.

What!?!?!?! “Icy stare?” “Rolling eyes?” “I have a boyfriend?” I’m sorry, but this is a MAJOR PET PEEVE OF MINE. Articles claiming to support women’s empowerment normalizing the idea that THIS passive-aggressive bullshit is “setting a boundary.” No, it isn’t. It’s passive-aggressive bullshit. Here’s setting a boundary. Guy sits down. You say, “I do not want you to sit here. Please leave now.” If he doesn’t leave, GET MANAGEMENT AND TELL THEM THIS GUY IS NOT RESPECTING YOUR BOUNDARIES. If management doesn’t back you up, leave and never give this place your consumer dollars again. Period. I have no sympathy for people who complain about other people not respecting boundaries that were not clearly stated.

Ah, the classic terrified male who offers the rape apologist mentality because he is so terrified of being corrected by a woman who deep down inside, he knows is way out of his league and doesn’t need his validation to begin with. Fascinating!

Sweetie, I urge you to take a few breaths – calm down – and realize that what you just offered is exactly what many rapists offer when caught: “she said no but I know women, they really mean yes.” Your comment is literally the caricature of a rape apologist, if you don’t know what that term means, I’d encourage you to do a Google search.

I didn’t say all women in every situation. You’re putting words in my mouth. Deliberately, most likely, unless you truly are this dense.

I’ve been in situations with women where they’ve said “I’m not going to have sex with you”. I reply, “That’s fine, I don’t want to” and the next reply is “ok let’s do it but don’t tell my boyfriend”. Women often play hard to get. I can’t explain what goes on inside their heads, but it happens.

And you know it happens. But you ignore it, and call anyone who acknowledges typical female behaviour a rape apologist. When it comes to courtship and seduction, women aren’t as straightforward as men. They do things men can’t understand but which they can eventually learn to become attuned to in order to follow through with seduction.

You feminists just ignore how real men and women interact in these situations.

Sexuality is complex and it sounds like you’ve put yourself in situations where things weren’t as clear or perhaps you don’t have a lot of experience sexually to understand the dynamics that people are speaking to, here but it’s really quite easy. When a woman says no, you simply stop. Even if her body seems to be responding sexually (nerve endings tend to do that). You simply stop. It’s not complicated. If she’s being coy or if she’s hesitant, then you can simply ask her to clarify what she means and if she wants to proceed, you wait for that signal. Moving past her “no” because you honk you know better is when rape occurs.

We call those women rape victims, because some entitled person thought they knew better what another human wanted than that human, and WOW shocker, somehow this secret desire lined up with the rapist’s. I mean, the mental gymnastics are impressive, sort of like it’s impressive when a dog eats shit and doesn’t throw up.

But speaking as a woman (pretty familiar with female behavior), you are extremely pathetic and I can totally understand how no woman would willingly get near you. Instead of fantasizing about rape, maybe you should be honest with yourself for awhile. Get to know yourself. Would you fuck you? No, of course you wouldn’t. Work on that.

I have NEVER told a guy no and actually meant yes. AND I’m real. Please stop spreading this rape-y ass garbage. The woman who did that to you is either messed up in the head or from some throwback culture where virginity considered a deal breaker. Its very rare in this era of porn- and easy to assess. Even in that case- its still a no. More to the point of the article; I’ve said no and still continued to be NICE to the guy -and 9 times out of ten I regret it because of this sort of cultural bs. (I’m still being nice =yes despite a clear no) Its condescending, pathetic, and annoying. Did you ever think that yelling at these guys ruins our nights too? What’s worse, is after sometimes having to be mean to get my point across, I’m then called a lezbo feminatzi bitch for my initial civility. If he’s a real piece of work he’ll go crying to his bros who retaliate in a variety of ways. Pretty much every woman has been through something like this.
Is it too much to ask men to just walk away after a no? grow a friggin pair! The lady on the other side of the bar may actually be taken with such a display of confidence. I too am attuned to female behavior, (how could I not be) most of us love confidence. Please consider this: if you walk away, then the woman saying no to all men, (men she secretly wants in your ‘expert’ assessment) she will find herself missing out and alone despite those offers. She will have to change HER behavior and grow up. (to the benefit of everyone) You should leave her alone until she figures out how to express her needs and desires clearly like an adult. I’m not sure why you threw in the cheating though, it reeks of bitterness. Maybe you should go feed your dogs.

Great post! I love your suggestion that if a woman says “no” then the guy should just walk away. Totally makes sense. No harm, no foul on either side.

I’ll only add that some people (not just women) find it hard to say “no” due to past abuse. When I was a kid I said “no” very clearly and was ignored. I was maybe 11 and this had a profound effect on me, literally rewiring my brain so that it took me years and years of therapy and practice to recover even partially. Now I can say “no” when I mean it- but only if I’m feeling safe. If I get frightened my brain shuts down and I’m lost. So… I’m vigilant about who I hang out with and how and when. Luckily, I have a very high class of friends of all sexes so I’m in a much better way than I might be.

Your “attunement” to female behaviours is about as accurate as a tuning fork vibrating to a jelly custard. What YOU are describing is YOUR wish-fulfilment and projected desire and sense of juvenile entitlement.

In other words “She HAS to mean YES because I am a MAN and WHO could resist me?”

FFS You say it’s complex then proceed to make out it’s simple. Rubbish. I’ve been in many situations where a woman either said no initially or was coy and the end result was yes, they did want to have sex. Nothing kills the mood more than asking “can you sign a consent form ” or “do you want to have sex?”

You’re denying the reality of male-female sexual situations because of feminist brainwashing. I bet you think men who have consensual sex with women who chose to get drunk are rapists too. It’s all man hatred.

i realize it must be frustrating for you not to have the last word on a women and what she really wants, really thinks and what she really needs. You needing it has nothing to do with us as women and everything to do with whatever you’re. Ompenssting for. Something awfully painful must have happened in your life to make you have such a desperate need to have it – what was if? Are you married? What was your longest, healthiest relationship with a woman?

What do you mean have the last word? We’re talking about a sexual situation between a man and a woman. I know when a woman doesn’t want to have sex, but to say “if she says no, in every situation, that means no” is clearly ridiculous as it ignores female behaviour and boils seduction down to feminist black and white consent forms.

In this entire thread, you demean and disrespect others who have a different opinion about what women think and feel and it’s particularly unusual to watch you suggest that you actually know what a woman thinks and feels better than actual women who are disagreeing with you. It’s pretty clear that you’re traumatized and operating out of a place of substantial woundedness; I’ve asked you several times what your relationship status is and you refuse to answer which indicates you’ve never been in a long-term relationship with a woman and/or someone really did a number on you. It’s silly for you to imagine that you know women and can educate women about women! Kind of delusional, actually, there’s really no other way to say if, but your obsession with being right I’m sure, has been and continues to be why you have struggled in maintaining a loving and healthy relationship. And that’s sad. I hope you pursue therapy for whatever trauma or unresolved hurt is causing you to act out so uncontrollably. Take care honey.

My relationship status has nothing to do with this. Because you can’t’ rebut any of my arguments, you have to resort to throwing in red herrings. You sound like you’re projecting. You’re making out that any man who disagrees with you has been hurt by a woman. I could just as easy say you’ve been hurt by a man.

If you MUST know, I chose to be single many years ago because of the fact I was genitally mutilated and can’t enjoy sex. This has no bearing on this topic. Though it’s yet another example of how males have less rights than females in this society. If I was a woman , it would never have happened.

mathsisshite I read your response to drinsf about your relationship status. I am sorry that something terrible happened to you, not sure exactly so forgive me guessing. But I feel whatever anger you have towards sex and relationships and possible rejections is aimed at woman as whole and it’s a shame that is how you cope. In Islamic and African cultures young girls and woman are genitally mutated and cut and cannot enjoy sex either. There are many health issues we face that get brushed off or ignored that wouldn’t be the case if we were male. I hope that you can find a loving companion, sex isn’t everything in a relationship if there is love. They say there is a lid for every pot. In the end life isn’t easy for anyone, but I will say as a woman pretty everything stated in this article is pretty accurate. It takes empathy to put yourself in someone’s shoes. I will never know what men struggle though, I get that, I can only judge this world as a 5’3 110 lb woman. Where I constantly have to have my guard up, walk with a purpose, don’t leave my drink unattended, go to restrooms in a group. ect. I don’t hate men, wanting a better world for our son’s and daughters isn’t hateful. Wanting the treatment as man, and not seen as a second class citizen doesn’t seem to unreasonable. Whether you’re a 6’4 man or a 4’10 woman We shouldn’t be treated any less because of the gender we we’re born as. Good day

” I read your response to drinsf about your relationship status. I am sorry that something terrible happened to you, not sure exactly so forgive me guessing. But I feel whatever anger you have towards sex and relationships and possible rejections is aimed at woman as whole and it’s a shame that is how you cope. In Islamic and African cultures young girls and woman are genitally mutated and cut and cannot enjoy sex either. There are many health issues we face that get brushed off or ignored that wouldn’t be the case if we were male. I hope that you can find a loving companion, sex isn’t everything in a relationship if there is love. They say there is a lid for every pot. In the end life isn’t easy for anyone, but I will say as a woman pretty everything stated in this article is pretty accurate. It takes empathy to put yourself in someone’s shoes. I will never know what men struggle though, I get that, I can only judge this world as a 5’3 110 lb woman. Where I constantly have to have my guard up, walk with a purpose, don’t leave my drink unattended, go to restrooms in a group. ect. I don’t hate men, wanting a better world for our son’s and daughters isn’t hateful. Wanting the treatment as man, and not seen as a second class citizen doesn’t seem to unreasonable. Whether you’re a 6’4 man or a 4’10 woman We shouldn’t be treated any less because of the gender we we’re born as. Good day”

Where have I expressed anger towards sex and relationships? I’m the one defending normal natural male-female courtship and seduction rooted in biology. It’s the author of this piece and her followers who’re trying to hinder normal male-female relations.

I’m well aware of FGM in these countries (and how every single one of them perform MGM, too, and in greater numbers). But the author of this piece is talking from a Western perspective. What female health issues get brushed off? Men pay the majority of tax and the majority of health funding goes toward female health issues. Most discussion about health issues in the media revolves around female health issues.

If you have your guard up all the time, that’s your personal problem, it’s not due to men. If you feel you need to walk with a purpose (Whatever that means) that’s your own personality quirk, nothing to do with men. If you don’t leave your drink unattended, that’s just plain old common sense (congratulations), the same as how it’s common sense for me to lock my door at night, it’s nothing to do with men. If you go to restrooms in a group, it’s because that’s what women do, it’s typical female behaviour (most of you go there to gossip and talk about cute guys) and nothing to do with men victimising you. You don’t want tobe treated like a man because if you were treated like a man, you’d cry a lot because you couldn’t handle it. You , like all feminists ,want equality when it suits you and when it doesn’t, you want special treatment/privileges. Women in the West aren’t seen as second class citizens. If anything , they are worshipped and seen as 1st class citizens while men, particularly white men, are seen as second class citizens.

Feminists don’t want a better world for men and women. They want men shouldering more and more responsibilities, men being treated as lesser and women being given more and more special privileges and rights, which harms both men and women ultimately.

So, you are out with a mate for a good booze-up. You both get blasted and on the way home HE pushes you HIS FRIEND into the bushes and rogers you. YOU are too wasted to realise what is happening and the grim realisation hits next day when you find your bloodied underwear.

“So, you are out with a mate for a good booze-up. You both get blasted and on the way home HE pushes you HIS FRIEND into the bushes and rogers you. YOU are too wasted to realise what is happening and the grim realisation hits next day when you find your bloodied underwear.”

But nothing you’ve described here refers to any of my logic. The issue was about the insistence that a woman saying no one time means you have to give up trying because “no means no”. I haven’t said men should penetrate a woman while she’s screaming no. That’s you strawmanning me. Feminists love to strawman. I don’t know if it’s because they have interpretation difficulties, or they just do it deliberately to try and demonise their inerlocuter.

Well, why not just take a “no” as a “no” whether or not a person might mean otherwise? If you act as if a person means what they say they’ll either figure this out and be relieved or you’ll figure out they’re not a person you want to be involved with. Who wants to be with someone who isn’t going to say what they mean? Who wants to be with someone who won’t take a “no” for a “no?” Or a “yes,” for that matter? You’ll eliminate the people you don’t really want to be with and the ones who figure it out will probably chase you down because you’re such a rare creature.

Here’s my problem. The very last time my wife of 24 years answered a simple straightforward yes or no question with a simple straightforward yes or no answer was when I proposed. On all other occasions, her response was A)ambiguous silence, B)what do you think? C)Don’t ask stupid questions D)an extremely long diatribe upon why the question is a stupid one, sans answer. Men are assumed by women to be all knowing psychics able to read their minds. I would be totally dumbfounded to receive a No answer from my wife, or any other woman for that matter. Doesn’t happen in real life.

This this this. Nailed it, Chris. The feminists are no different. They constantly claim women are equal to men and have agency, but every single policy they propose exemplifies how they expect women to abdicate responsibility and men to be the ones to bear ever burden

It’s probably because as woman. we don’t want to say or do the wrong thing and try to make careful decisions. I do this all the time and am teaching myself to try not to. I lack confidence and if my Fiancé asks what I want for dinner my classic response is “I don’t Know, What do you want” I really want Boston Market, But I’ll list options and when He says ok Boston Market I go :Ok That works!. My Feeling is that, I’m not playing a game because I’m a jerk. It’s because if I deflect it as his choice, I can’t be held responsible, If it’s bad he can’t be angry at me, and anger leads to abuse. I think this is engrained in woman, as a protective measure ( my fiancé has never abused me) I’m trying to be more decisive and I train people at work, which has helped too. Plus woman who are strong, assertive and comfortable making decisions; are deemed bossy, bitchy, mean, ect. Sometimes it seems we can’t win! It might help if you assure your wife that whatever she chooses is ok. If it looks like something is bothering her ask her and if she stays quiet, keep talking about something casual or that movie you want to see, the fact you keep engaging her, she might open up about what it is where she had a bad day at work or health issue ect. Hope that helps and one woman’s perspective and Congratulations on 24 years of marriage!

Oh of course it does, don’t be silly. Your anecdotal experience doesn’t prove anything declaratively, if appropriate to provide a yes or no response, women do that. If a question requires more context or there’s other factors to consider? Women approaching a question in pursuit of either is reflective of someone who wants to make a quality decision, period. Your choice to cast negativity on that way of processing information is entirely your own issue.

Well… how do you ask your questions? How do you react/respond to her responses? Try asking her very simple questions such as, “Would you like a cup of coffee/tea/water” and then respond respectfully to her answer. Or, if she isn’t clear, either try asking again in a different way (“Are you thirsty?”) and then respond respectfully to that answer as well.

Or, you could even consider talking with her directly. “I notice that you often don’t give me clear answers in terms of yes or no when I ask you questions. Why is that?” Make sure your tone is open and friendly and then just listen when/if she responds. If she doesn’t give you a clear answer, doesn’t seem to know or even realize she’s doing it then I’d bet there’s either past trauma messing with her and/or that your responses are perhaps making it difficult for her to answer easily. I’m not blaming you particularly for this, just saying that you might play a role in this issue whether you intend to or not.

A lot of times people ask questions without really wanting an answer or being denigrating when an answer is given. It’s taken me my whole life to realize that my Dad’s abuse of me made it almost impossible for me to give a straight answer to any question that a man asked me whether or not I knew the answer. Early conditioning and later experiences (nearly entirely negative) with men and some women and their questions made it almost impossible for me to say no or yes to anything or to even tell them the truth. What was the point? They never seemed to listen or care about what I thought anyway so why leave myself open for more harm? And there was plenty of harm done, that’s for sure.

These days I’m surrounded by incredibly caring, kind and honest people of all sexes. Being respected and cared for has made it possible for me to come to really know my own mind and be able to express myself honestly, kindly and openly. But this wasn’t possible until I got the support from real friends. I don’t think most people have truly good friends- they have acquaintances who only hang around while it’s practical… That doesn’t make for being honest and open easy or safe. Please consider this when you talk with your wife.

Really? Women don’t do anything for you? They’ve never done anything for you? Ever? Did u make your own bottles? Change your own diapers? I don’t want to make assumptions or get in your personal business, maybe you were raised by a man and that’s fine. That would explain alot.

Keep on writing pieces like this! I have met many strong, masculine, aware men in their 20s who think about and fight for equality every day because they’ve grown up in a world where women have become outspoken about what we need and deserve. There is still a ways to go – including ridding ourselves (women, that is) of some culturally conditioned behaviors responses that help maintain the status quo, but there is lots of hope for this and other equalities coming to fruition, because we keep speaking out, teaching, and being heard.

“…many strong, masculine, aware men in their 20s who think about and fight for equality every day …”

That’s strange because it seems to me that far too few men are interested in promoting men’s rights so that there can be equality. Most men in their 20s are so indoctrinated with the branch of Cultural Marxism known as feminism that they don’t even realise they don’t have equality under the law with women, nor that they have equal pay until in their 30s, nor that they are ever likely to have equal pay per hour, nor that males have an educatiion crisis yet the government only has sex-specific programs for females, nor any of the many other ways in which they are held down as social and legal inferiors.

So just where are all the men in their 20s who are free of feminist influences to think about and fight for equality?

Seriously? source please. most unskilled 20 something women make less than unskilled 20 something men because of taking off time for child bearing. You are the first source I’ve seen that puts that in reverse. Not sure how that’s gonna change. Men are in the draft because of the rules (men made) denying women (who want to serve) over fear of rape and killing a fetus. Not much anyone can do about that either. We have pre-nups now. If you don’t get one and pay alimony well, you dropped the ball there. My friend’s ex-husband is currently threatening her with alimony. Do you think its only women collecting these days? Are you crying about child support? cuz that’s your fault too- don’t like it, keep it in your pant or consider taking care of your own kids. (There is something called a zero diaper change dad- judges are aware) i”m not sure what else you could even be talking about. Men are far more likely to get entry to nice colleges with frivolous scholarships from sports, (which I feel levels out the female ones you’re so pissed about) Boys are far more likely to get attention from educators- a huge leg up. Praised for leadership skills when women are called bossy or bitchy for the same traits. Traits which can mean a much bigger paycheck. There aren’t any careers denied a man. Every governing force in the world is largely male. THe only thing you are fighting is yourselves and your own prejudices -not feminists.

Lol, “masculine men” supporting this garbage? No, these are the opposite of masculine men. These are emasculated men whose only meaning in their miserable lives are to worship at the alter of women.
It’s easy to fuck with these individuals. So easy to manipulate and dominate.
Women are as well. You are so pathetic. We can fuck you over.

Yep! And all those “emasculated” men I know, love, trust and admire are sharing some amazingly fabulous sex with their companions! Orgasms all around along with real friendships including very long term marriages between couples and in poly groupings. Some of these great guys are young, in their twenties, but all ages and races are represented, same for the women in my circles. I have the VERY best friends. 🙂 Overall, it seems that equality and feminism has resulted in lots of great sex, great food, great living conditions and happy children so I think it’s possible that most of the obviously really unhappy, angry people commenting here just don’t know how good it really can be.

Masculine men don’t need to dominate. They don’t have to prove how strong they are, they don’t have to bully, or intimidate, or be vicious. They know they are masculine and so does everyone else. They treat people well because thats how decent people act. They respect people, they value people, and they show love. There’s nothing I like better than a truly masculine man. But that’s not what youve described. This is not a game. Im not competing with you. Im sure you have many fine qualities. But you arent showing them right now. It takes nothing away from you to treat women with respect. If you just don’t know how, then say so.

And your nom de plum (not a spelling error) is clear evidence of your weakness and ineffectuality. You are DEFINITELY not the kind of faggot to have with gravy. Perhaps more like those used to burn women at the stake.

The only thing you can f*ck over is a sheep tied to a tree. And more than a few of those poor creatures have experienced your premature ejaculations.

Men who have no need of constant reassurance, no coddling and nannying, Men who are NOT Mummy’s Boys KNOW that respect is earned, not a God-given right just because your gonads swing between your legs. REAL men have sufficient self-respect to afford respect to others, be they male OR female. It is only the insecure, weak-minded, needy man-baby’s who have to PROVE what cannot be proved; that they are superior only in their capacity for self-delusion and self-aggrandisement. Just as you did in your feeble attempt at bravado.

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Reblogging this in support of all women who have experienced any of the scenarios described here (I am sure there will be at least one woman and one scenario; for starters). I am however also high-fiving this author who has stood up and stood out with her clear strong language. She makes me even prouder to be a woman who is more than a piece of property. Something to truly think about as we move through life mostly in a vague world pretending to be black and white.

Hey microscopic dick, i just realised why you had the foreskin cut, they used it to supplement your brain cells and now you can only spurt infertile and barren thoughts out of your head,

Maybe you could complain to the MEN who came up with the idea of circumcision and who have perpetuated it together with FGM instead of spitting your ineffective seed at those who don’t even care that you exist.

We are a ‘threat’.
We have ALWAYS been God, protector and destroyer.
Boys and Men cannot enter this world without us, not yet anyway.
Do as China did, except for boys.
Learn martial arts.
Train yourselves to use and to kill with guns or tazers or the good ole fashioned hairspray and a lighter.
Use birth control.
Embrace Your Feminine Warrior.
Support Your Sisters and share our hard earned wisdom.
Guide the young.
Practice Your Shadow Wisdom, be willing to embrace your ruthlessness.
Don’t ‘fight’ men on the field they created to strengthen them. Bring them into yours.
Don’t fight the snake on the ground, where he has leverage. Bring the snake into the air. Drop him. Let gravity do the work.
You fly away and don’t spare him another thought.
#DivineFeminineTsunami

Here’s a qualified observation.
If you unscramble the letters of your fake online troll name you can easily find the letters to spell out “ass hat shit”.
Since this ass hat shit is what you spew here I can only assume that your name is a subconscious cry for clarity and justice. Or maybe just an act of God.
You are a coward and a bully. I am not afraid to use my real name and I stand behind everything I say both online and in person you insignificant cowering little piece of….”ass hat shit”

And YOU should be very, very scared that she is. As you are a coward you won’t attempt this, but for others I just googled THIS search ” women performing extraordinary feats in extremis” and I wouldn’t want to risk upsetting them.

Strange how men are so opposed to women who use male tactics and techniques for their own defence. What are you scared of, boys? That she’ll be better at it than you?

There is something really wrong with you. Why are you so bent out of shape over an article? Its an opinion. That everyone is entitled to. No one’s done anything to you or taken anything from you, and you are actually trying to menace and intimidate. And about one step from making threats. For what? You are being exactly what this article describes. Go back and read it again, then read the comments. We cant even express how we feel without being told we don’t know what we’re talking about. Our feelings… We’re just delusional. Really.

You cannot expect these cry-babies to empathise with what women have experienced for thousands of generations. They cannot master Maslow’s Fourth Level of Development so how can they evolve to higher concepts of emotional and intellectual maturity?

It’s like asking a slug not to eat your cabbages or an amoeba to feel sympathy for a dolphin. In any event they are not worth the energy even to feel sorry for, so save your emotions for a man who does not need to put YOU down to compensate for his inadequacy.

So interesting to me that the only part of a woman that appeals to you is also used almost universally as an insult. Why in the world would you want to have physical contact with something that you have so little respect or love for?

WOMEN don’t need to use boy-toys to take you down. One well-aimed pointed-toe high-heel shoe to the ball-sack and you are a whimpering cry-baby writhing in agony on the ground. A man can be killed with a kick in the nuts, whereas women regularly endure pain greater than anything ANY man has experienced without having been blown up by a roadside bomb,

You act so tough and still a slight cold sends you crawling to your bed claiming the World is ending and Life is not worth living. Sooo brave, sooo macho, sooo pathetic.

One kick with a pointed high-heel and you are a whimpering baby-boy, grovelling on the ground, crying for his Mama. One sneeze and you whimper in bed calling for your woman to bring hot lemon. One hang-nail and you need instant surgery and a general anaesthetic.

The REAL, TRUE man would be TEACHING his female relatives, friends, associates how to better defend themselves from the likes of you who think only of assaulting them.

Be warned, a tigress will kill a tiger for just looking at her young, a lioness likewise. Never get between a mother and her child or test her resolve to take you down.

Well, Ladies and Boys I’ve said my piece on this subject, made my position clear, I was not here to defend women, they need no help from me and are more than capable of standing up to those cry-babies whose mothers never taught them manners or developed a sense of dignity in them. I responded to the arguments (if name-calling, insults, deliberate misappropriation of the victimology that women have first hand knowledge of since Eve ate the apple and whining about how misunderstood and unfairly maligned they are can be called argument), and I have no further desire to associate with these man-boys and their whimpering. If I have learned anything in the 65 years I’ve spent on this misbegotten rock it’s that men are largely incapable of reaching maturity and have little or no capacity for intelligent, fact-based thought. It is the reason that human life on this planet will, in all probability, be extinct within 50-100 years. I am not alone in saying this, just Google “Human Extinction” and see how many serious thinkers make the same prediction.

So I have precious little time left to do what pleases me and I’m damned sure I’m not wasting it on those with no values or morality. I shan’t be responding to any more posts so save your fingers for what they do best.

” If I have learned anything in the 65 years I’ve spent on this misbegotten rock it’s that men are largely incapable of reaching maturity and have little or no capacity for intelligent, fact-based thought.”

And yet it was men (white men mostly … shock horror) who gave you that computer you’re typing on, the air conditioning that cools you, the public sanitation that gives you clean safe drinking water, the house or apartment block you live in, the car, motorcycle, cycle or bus you ride on, the roads you ride them on, the television you watch every day, the medicine you use, the chemicals you use, etc. I could go on. Yes, it’s men who lack the fact-based thought. WE should just stop all that backward science and technology and go and sit in sociology lectures listening to the sort of garbage you spout, garbage without any basis in reality, garbage that’s made you a lonely old woman with no man and 20 cats.

Sorry you have such a horrible life that you can’t see reality. Women have been involved in most of those things without getting recognition. You also don’t seem to have a problem with women being harassed and raped and beaten by men. You are a disgusting idiot and I feel sorry for any woman so deluded by our culture that she would give you the time of day, let alone enter into a relationship. Crawl back in you garbage hole.

Not the only thing you have been wrong about, is it ShiteHead? In Fact, you have found it impossible to be Right about anything EXCEPT your Right-Wing Fascist self-congratulatory and narcissistic whingeing and insulting of others.

I suggest you go back to your nursery and try again to grow up into a mature, relevant REAL 21st Century man. You never know, second time around you may just make it.

You know why men gave us the computers and the HVACs and the public sanitation? Here…let me womansplain for you…. IT’S BECAUSE FOR MOST OF OUR PLANETS HISTORY MEN TREATED WOMEN LIKE THEY WERE BRAINLESS IDIOTS, PROPERTY TO BE BOUGHT AND SOLD LIKE CATTLE. Women were most often never educated or given a chance to excel. Men often KILLED women who thought or acted ‘above their station’. We were witches and ‘hysterical’ if we tried to act or think like a man. Even your stupid snarky lonely old woman with 20 cats comment shows with utter clarity what we as females have to deal with. Daily.

So sure, pat yourself on the back you king of kings. Congratulate yourself for being the gender that lies, cheats and kills to keep your superiority. The fact of the matter is, had women been given equal opportunity throughout our history we would probably have a cure for cancer and colonies on the moon by now. Unfortunately our progress as a society has been greatly hampered by only ball scratching, war mongering, ‘my penis is better than your penis’ obsessed males being in charge.

You’re high. Most men didn’t have an education, you stupid bat. You’re looking at it through the lens of a post industrial society. For most of our history we lived as hunter gathers or in subsistence economies. All the crap you say oppressed women was what men had to deal with too. Most men didn’t have the vote. Most men didn’t go to school. And we also had to go to war and die. Women weren’t demanding to go down mines to die either.

Hi LB. Ada Lovelace is a prime example of a woman whose contribution to progress was nothing like as significant as feminist mythology portrays. A piece in The Economist in late 2015, by Emma Duncan, a former Deputy Editor of the paper

Doubts about the extent of her contribution along with Ada’s celebrity status have led to claims that she has been over-promoted. “She was”, wrote Bruce Collier, one of Babbage’s biographers, “a manic-depressive with the most amazing delusions about her own talents, and a rather shallow understanding of both Charles Babbage and the Analytical Engine…I guess someone has to be the most overrated figure in the history of computing.”

EMQB Neatly said, as soon as I read this I was composing ShiteHead’s response. And there it is like he read it from a book.

Waah….most men didn’t have an education. Hunter gatherer….mmppphmmmpph……men suffered too mmmmppphhh men had no vote…mmmmopppphhh wars and dying ….mmpophhh…..historical fact that I just made up.

Except that it was WOMEN who led the way to settled community living by the gradual recognition that growing food was more efficient than searching for it, that settled habitats were more easily defensible and thus allowed faster development. Whilst it was MEN and ONLY MEN who made the decisions about which MEN had sufficient privilege to access education, go to war, could influence the seats of power, It was MEN and ONLY MEN who held the reins of power through the Religions THEY established in order to denigrate and restrict female abilities and growth. For 25,000 years at least women have been physically prevented (often to the point of being killed) from acquiring education, property, even control over their own bodies. In the few societies that developed into Matriarchies stability was stronger and conflict less frequent.

The total disregard for historical fact, the absolute absence of any reasoned argument, the utter unwillingness even to consider the viewpoint of the victim, indeed making the VICTIM responsible for their own destruction is the hallmark of the un-evolved, one might say DEVOLVING, male psyche. Given that all the evidence shows that history is written by the victors and the history of MANKIND is only the history of men, with women being allowed at best a few footnotes, it is incredible how deep is the capacity of men to ignore the evidence of their OWN story, written by them.

That last comment is actually correct- “By your logic, zoologists who describe animal behaviour are HUMANsplaining.” And it shows that you do understand that your behavior is not rational or useful. By “humansplaining” animal behavior scientists missed out on tons of really interesting details that were right in front of them like tool creation and use, the understanding of cause and effect, understanding the concept of numbers and time and a lot of other behaviors that were previously thought to be purely human. Can you not see that this same view point is what is blinding ALL sexes to the value that humans of any sex can bring to the table? By denying that any particular type of person has value we waste not only that person’s potential but all the people like them, too. This makes us ALL poor, you included.

Look past the idea of sex as a finite determinator of personality/behavior and how our societies have “splained” us into these rotten little boxes that have made us all a little crazy (or a lot), impoverished our species and brought us to the brink of destroying the planet. Use your much-vaunted “greater” intelligence and “superior” reasoning to help us survive our rapidly shortening future instead of indulging in useless activities that only push us all farther apart.

Took the words right out of my mouth (so to speak). Such ignorance and absence of gratitude is sadly commonplace in nearly ALL MEN. How you all managed to grow up without the women who nursed you, fed you, wiped your nose and backside, taught to tie your laces and brush your teeth is miraculous.

Mathsisshite validates what most reasonable people know to be true; there’s nothing more threatening to an unhappy, insecure male than a woman having the last word on who she is. He is encased in fear and clearly has some substantial mother issues.

I’m happily married to a wonderful man, here to lend support to all of the women and men who wisely champion this beautiful post. What about you? It’s a sincere question, what experiences with women have led you to such a damaged, angry view? I feel for you, you’re clearly unsettled and must have had some troubling experiences.

How is my view damaged and angry? lol I’m not angry. I’m educating you about how some women behave and you’re just banging your head off your keyboard, denying reality and calling me a rape apologist without any evidence. You clearly don’t have any understanding of the male-female sexual dynamic.

Of course you’re angry, dear one. And you want us all to know you are. You need us all to believe you are superior, and that’s fine. 🙂 Who made you feel so insecure? Who hurt you so much? I’m interested.

“Of course you’re angry, dear one. And you want us all to know you are. You need us all to believe you are superior, and that’s fine. 🙂 Who made you feel so insecure? Who hurt you so much? I’m interested.”

IF I’m angry, you’re angry, and the author of this piece is angry, because your logic is “anyone who disagrees with someone and argues their case is angry” which means anyone who disagrees with anyone is angry. It’s like the whole “bigotry” thing. Feminists and leftists in general call people who disagree with them bigots. But a bigot is someone who is intolerant of other views, which means feminists/leftists are bigotsm by definition, by not being tolerant of other views.

I don’t need you to believe I’m superior. I’m just hoping that I’ll manage to get throught to at least one of you and make you see how illogical your hatred of men is.

Well some anger is fine, I’ve no issue with anger directed st situations that are deserving of anger. You cross into abusive and combative and try to condescend, all indicators of someone whose anger is not grounded in virtue or ideal. Your anger is clearly coming from a wounded, fearful place. It’s pretty tough to hide, friend.

Well, we don’t know if this is mother issues or if it’s generalized dysfunction caused by over 6000 years’ worth of social conditioning that says men > women/other. 😦 This has messed us all up for sure. But I do agree on the fear aspect. Fear is so easily turned into anger and when you can’t attack the thing that really makes you afraid you turn to the next, “weakest” thing to attack instead.

You should read a bit more. Or perhaps watch Hidden Figures about the team of African-American women mathematicians vital in developing NASA’s early space program. Your statement that it was ‘white men mostly’ ‘who gave you’ what we consider modern, technological advancements shows a very limited view of the world. Your choice of ‘gave’ suggests entitlement as well. I’ll just leave this here.

“We have, of course, a lot to thank the great historical figures of the science and technology industries for. Yet, while most of us can name one or two famous female scientists – such as Marie Curie, the first woman to win a Nobel Prize in 1903 – few of us know how much of our current knowledge and how many of the things we now take for granted were founded on the intellect of women.

By way of example, Lise Meitner was a Jewish physicist living in Germany studying radioactive substances when she was forced to flee Germany in WWII. Meitner was lauded by her friend Albert Eisntein as “our Marie Curie”. In Sweden, in 1939, she proposed an experiment to her colleague Otto Hahn that resulted in nuclear fission. In 1946, Hahn was awarded the Nobel Prize for Physics for his research into fission, but Meitner was ignored.

In 1953, Rosalind Franklin took the x-ray crystallography image that led to the discovery of DNA. Her three male colleagues – Watson, Crick and Wilkins – used her now-famous “photograph 51” to publish the discovery of DNA and they later won the Nobel Prize. Rosalind was not so fortunate – her ‘prize’ was to die from cancer and controversy still surrounds her role in the discovery of the structure that has revolutionised our understanding of the human condition.

In 1959, Grace Murray Hopper laid the groundwork for modern software development by creating the compiler, the intermediate program that translates English language instructions into the language of the target computer. Without her accomplishment, many contemporary computing applications may not exist, but how many of us acknowledge Grace when we log onto the net?

One of the first software patents ever issued was to Erna Schneider in 1954, who invented a computerised switching system for telephone traffic while engaged as a researcher at Bell Laboratories. Few know that the principles embodied in her patent are still used today.” Excerpt from thekeynote address by WiT President and i.labg CEO Anne-Marie Birkill.http://anthillonline.com/great-scientific-achievements-by-women-in-history/

I get so tired of this lame line of argument, based on emotional neediness – ‘women are as good as men!” So history has to be rewritten to make that so.

Some women have made great contributions. We get it. We do. But very often their contributions have been exaggerated. I could send you an article on Rosalind Franklin but you wouldn’t read it. She thought DNA was a triple helix, Crick & Watson worked out it was a double helix. Franklin may or may not have got a Nobel Prize, but they’re not awarded posthumously.

Well perhaps people like Mike and Geiheim missed the memo where women – until quite recently in modern history -were actually prevented from attending college where they would have been able to be in an atmosphere where they could innovate as substantially as men.

“Until quite recently in modern history”. 40 years ago I was in the middle of doing a Chemistry degree. Plenty of women on the course, and there had been for many years before (a female senior lecturer was 60+). What has this to do with the surely emotionally-driven need to exaggerate the historical contributions of women in field after field? The same women’s names get raised time after time, even though the contributions of many have been shown to be far less than is claimed by feminists.

Given the number of women who’ve graduated in STEM subjects over the past (say) 50 years, the number of Nobel prizes won by them has been – proportionately – small. Why might that be, do you think? Do you have a male conspiracy theory to hand?

I can appreciate your attempt to insert emotion as the basis for much of your narrative – that might work for a lot of people prone to engaging at a reactive level – but unfortunately for your approach, there’s enough data to ground all reasonable people into the understanding of institutionalized prejudice. For decades, women were legally prevented from obtaining higher education which would lead to broader opportunities to participate in the innovative process. Thankfully that’s changed, as a woman in the Silicon Valley I see it happening firsthand. The rather pedantic, oppositional approach you offer is more reflective of your emotional baggage around this issue rather than addressing the broadening opportunities that are now in place for women, won by women championing for that to occur.

“I get so tired of this lame line of argument, based on emotional neediness – ‘women are as good as men!” So history has to be rewritten to make that so.”

My favorite thing, Mike, about “men’s rights activists” is you all come out of the gate claiming to be the maligned, oppressed sex who are just seeking to level the playing field. You claim that feminists operate from falsified information, willful ignorance or stupidity. That they actually seek supremacy and they hold all the power. It doesn’t take long before you begin name calling and making appearance, sexuality and masculinity a target when you are opposed. Then you claim that women actually *aren’t* as intelligent or innovative or capable or – let’s be honest – as important. It is then that your core premise emerges – women are actually inferior, except in their capacity for childbirth and violence. You don’t want equality. You don’t believe in it. You are a grandstander and a fraud.

For a guy who didn’t want to waste time reading the piece, you’ve sure as fuck had the time to link to this blog three times on your website, duke it out in the comments every day, and then give the writer an “award” that looks like something that belongs in a seventh grader’s burn book.

Some women do hate men. Some feminists hate men, and they don’t deserve any more credence than good ol’ Anonymous down there whose favorite sexual fantasy involves a toilet. (You should see someone about that, Anon) Make no mistake – there are some alleged feminists that I dislike as much as I do you and your band of contrarians. But nothing you have said on this thread or on your site has convinced me that you are any better than the worst of the “feminists” you claim to hate – and that makes you part of the problem.

…and it were – and still are – men, who make war. Your species might have invented some more ore less useful things in this world, but most of the mischief and suffering we see today is also made by men, so your little inventions don’t really make that up…..and by the way: Men would have never reached the moon without the calculating genius of women (black women….shock, horror). And if men doesn’t accept the fact, that there is no superior gender, I guess, mankind will not have a very long lasting future here on this world. …

“Your species might have invented some more ore less useful things in this world…”.

Men are a different SPECIES?!!! Look around the world you see in the next 24 hours. Everything you see will have been invented or designed, built, and maintained by men. Compared with that, women…? You’re not living in the real world.

Why would women be less likely to wage war, than men? Your belief that this is so shows nothing other than your female sense of superiority. We know in the domestic violence field that women are at least as aggressive towards partners, as men:

What’s so ironic about men like Mike is how desperate they are to have others validate that men and women are wired to think and process information differently and yet how quick they are to dismiss said difference when it somehow implies that women can do something better. Your bias slip is showing, Mike. Put less effort in driving your agenda and more info dialogue of ideas and perhaps you’ll get further.

Data has clearly established that women are much more verbal than men which starts in early development. We have immediate access to an internal verbal register that men do not which makes it much easier to collaborate around a solution instead of driving one or two competitively across the line. Collaboration leads to effective negotiation more often than not, these are relatively easy dots to connect if one is even casually interested in social science.

Mike is the type of person who is so intent on managing his injured-based world view, he’ll do a few Google searches to try to make himself declarative. It’s fascinating to watch. Pathetic, yet fascinating, but most internet warriors are quick with the Google to put up a few blog posts in the form of data that somehow magically serve a macro data set. You keep striving, Mike – and while you’re at it, please let us all know how you’ve contributed to any forward advancement of ideas or innovation in any material way, or if you’re simply fighting with people on the internet. I think we all know it’s the latter. 😉

It is true that a lot of men weren’t educated either, but the people who had education were men from the aristocracy and upper class. I’m there were plenty of men with academic capability who couldn’t purse it due to poverty and work as well as woman who were married off to be baby machines , to work houses and indentured servitude. We progressed rapidly in science and technology when more people received education, even more when woman and minorities could as well. Counting out whole groups of people, based on anything but their ability only hampers progress. Btw they wouldn’t have let a woman work in the mines if she wanted to.

No one GAVE me shit. and YOU didn’t invent any of this shit either. Yet you want credit and gratitude other mens’ work simply for being male too. Talk about entitled. I bought that crap myself with my paycheck just like you. Your argument is asinine at best. If men were doing all the household drudgery perhaps women would have invented things far greater. You don’t know. For instance, most construction is done by meth addicts. How hard could it be? Baby with colic hard? Wheels on the bus for the millionth time hard?
But, if we ask you to take a no as a no and move on, that is ingratitude to ALL men? What the hell does that mean anyway? Tell that to my friend who’s ex-husband is threatening to collect alimony. I don’t know any housewives and I’m gen X. Its not feminists, its inflation and shrinking wages. Two for sure would love to stay at home with kids.
Stop normalizing this mindset that women need to be bullied by men into doing what they really want- what men want. That sicko who shot a bunch of sorority girls in santa barbara was thinking like that. We excuse men for acting out when sex is involved. How can you not see that as wrong? Men ARE capable of restraint. Are capable of thought. FFS if you claim to be our protectors at least stop making excuses for criminals and assholes who harm or harass women. Even the courts are soft on this. And if I had to choose; I’d choose to be with 20 cats over a bitter man who thinks I’m too stupid to make my own decisions and treats me like a cum dumpster. At least cats can show empathy.

That’s all fine and dandy. But that doesn’t address the fact that men do not own us. We don’t owe you anything. The men that accomplished those things were compensated for it. This article is to tell you we are sick of being treated like property. Did you not read that part. It was pretty much the WHOLE ARTICLE. Don’t treat us like you own us. You don’t. Its really simple. Im not trying to insult you, I don’t hate men, I hate being treated like a piece of meat. And if you treat women that way, yes, I probably hate you, too. Say what you want, we don’t answer to you, and we don’t owe you anything. I understand perfectly what men can do and have done and I think that’s awesome. I wouldn’t want a world without men. I just don’t want to be treated that way, and you wouldn’t either.

The first computer programmer was a woman. The only person to win two Nobels – in separate fields – was a woman. Her work led to massive advances in chemistry, biology, medicine, etc. And of course, the person who really discovered the helical structure of DNA was a woman! Women have been at the forefront of every major technological advance.

“The only person to win two Nobels – in separate fields – was a woman. ”

Not strictly true. Marie Curie won a nobel in chemistry for discovering 2 elements but the one in physics she shared with her husband, whose coattails she was riding on, just like Ada Lovelace. In virtually every case of a woman winning a nobel prize or being credited with something “phenomenal”, there’s a whiff of “a likely story” because it’s usually a case of her assisting her husband or another man. Feminists/progressives have been desperate to advertise women as being the great scientists and there’s nothing they won’t lie about or exaggerate.

“And of course, the person who really discovered the helical structure of DNA was a woman! ”

No, it wasn’t.

“Women have been at the forefront of every major technological advance.”

Even if you introduced him to the women who wrote the code that makes machines into computers and not toasters, even if the MEN who took the credit ADMITTED their theft, and even if the women had been allowed to register patents for THEIR work, these little boys would NEVER admit or accept it. How could they? It would shake their confidence and shatter their worlds.

Some of us – the grown up ADULTS don’t need to belittle women in order to feel powerful. We have no fear of women nor of their power. We value the roles they play and acknowledge their strengths and their essential place as Life-givers. Maybe ONE DAY, the male gender will get over its obsession with guns, destruction and grabbing power but I am not holding my breath.

A woman invented the first computer…Babbage, I believe? This guy is a random nut job, troll, obviously. And I understand he’s at the age of retirement…so also a dinosaur! Hopefully his kind will be extinct soon.

Babbage DIDN’T invent he theorised. He came up with the concept. The machine wasn’t even built until AFTER his death. Nobody even though it could work. It took a woman to turn the idea into a practical application. No amount of denial can turn a fact into a lie.

MY life is almost over and it matters none. Your attitudes will continue to wreak pain and misery after I have died. That is the sadness. And it will have been for nothing because MEN are driving this planet to extinction. There will be no victors except maybe Gaia herself. SHE will have the last laugh as she restores the planet to balance.

Women never got the chance to invent all those things because we were to busy completing our designated role, hell we could not even play tennis 100 years ago! Having said that the worst misogynists in this world are women, we are the ones that do not stand up for ourselves and kept the status quo going and put other women down. Take female genital mutilation, done by women to women, supposed to be for men. I mean who thought up this crap? Foot binding was irradicated in China in a generation, but, that did not have any religious connotations….religion, I shouldn’t go there but remember when God wanted a Son? He had to artificially inseminate a women, right, remember that? How come, if he is God, how come he couldn’t invent his own womb? Exactly, so why to we believe all this and follow it and put women in their place all the time? Someone should have cut Saul of Tarsus’ writing finger off!!

i am 63. I am a man free woman, I love it, never feel lonely, alone is good, alone is free….and I have no cats.

WRONG, you fucking asshat. Women have contributed equally in all aspects of science and engineering and every other field, per the ratio in which they were PERMITTED BY MEN to participate. We are smarter than you- it’s a biological fact. We don’t start wars. We don’t create pollution and sickness with our greed. If you insist on taking credit for anything, you can have all the glory for the suffering your aggression and selfishness has caused for thousands of years.

Totally with you on that Jennifer. It’s another dimension of men that I have been acutely aware of. Virtually no sense of personal responsibility and only too eager to walk away from the chaos they create when it suits them. I haven’t done the math but I’ll bet the number of men who have refused to support THEIR progeny far outstrips the mothers who abandon their young.

Because women were not allowed to be engineers, scientists or students where they could learn such skills. Dad’s taught thier skills to thier son’s, not thier daughters. Daughter’s learnt to cook and clean with thier mother’s and for a long time, seeing as women’s brains were percieved as smaller then mens’ they must be less intellegent therefore physically couldn’t do these things’s even if they tried. These inventions you’ve mentioned are fantastic luxuries made by great men who were probably spurred on by great women. And the genuies that were invented these great things, all had great mother’s who passed on some great part of themself, be it genetics, up-bringing, schooling and other education to help make them the people they were.

I myself experienced an incident as a music gig, I was outside getting some air while my partner was inside thrashing around to some good dmb. A guy at the otherside of the courtyard motioned to me in a ciggarette smoking guesture, I thought he must have wated one and I was in a good mood. This was my frist mistake. I went over and offered one to him, turns out he didn’t smoke. He just wated me to go over and chat to him, God forbid he come to me. He asked me if I was there with anyone seeing I looked a bit sad by myself. I said I was there with my partner. He told me he was single and in my city for business. It got uncomfotably silent so I excused myself to grab a drink inside. There I sipped my drink at the bar and before I knew it he had appeared beside me for round two. He asked me to dance I declined politely, prefering to drink my drink. He stood there and waiting for me to finish my drink. He waited a while and before I had the chance to grab another drink he grabbed my hand and pushed me slightly into the crowd and tried to dance with me making me very uncomfortable. For the second time that night he told me I would look prettier if I smiled. After dancing with him for a total of 5 seconds I excused myself to the bathroom where I panic texted my boyfriend. Telling him to meet me outside the bathroom and that a guy wouldn’t leave me alone. My boyfriend agreed, I waited a couple of mins then went ouside. The guy was still standing at the bar and stared at me, we made eye contact and I walked briskly outside where my boyfriend decided we were going to meet instead of where I asked. I told him what had happened and he asked me if it upset me enough to leave. He didn’t want to and made that obvious. The guy inside finally got the picture and dissapeared. Why didn’t I just tell him to fuck off? Because I was terrifired he would flip out and abuse me. And women are conditioned, I was conditioned to be polite, give excuses, try and diffuse the situation, be ANYTHING OTHER than assertive or aggressive.

You may say, you can’t blanket every man together, that it was a isolated incident. They are all isolated incidents. A lot of them. It happens so often, friends of my father making sexual jokes. Men at car shows trying to chat me up. Students at school trying it on for size. Men at bar’s when I’m out with friends. Even at intermediate having male students snapping the bra straps of girl’s who were already self conscious of thier changing bodies.

Your mother experienced things like this, possibly worst as it was more accepted and your daughter will experience it too. The catcalls, the guys who won’t take no for an answer, men far outside thier age group making comments they think are benign, guys following them around a little to closely, The creep on the bus. Not feeling totally safe anywhere, being told what they wear affects the opposite sex as well as things they do. That men can’t control thier urges, that you are beasts. Anything terrible that happens to a woman? How was she behaving? What had she said? What was she wearing? Wrong place, wrong time? How did she ask for it?

Emily, can I suggest that if you’re going to post long tedious delusional whiny anecdotal ‘women are amazing’ comments, you should at least use a spellchecker, out of respect to your readers? One sentence of 10 words alone contains FIVE typos:

I can’t seem to reply to you Mike so I’ll leave this here. I didn’t bother spell checking as I didn’t think anyone would even be active on this comment’s section anymore. I just thought I’d leave my two cent’s. I’m not really sorry that my misplacement of a few apstrophies has offended you so greatly. I think it’s quite sad to get so bent out of shape about it. It’s also very blatantly obvious what you’re trying to do here, placing a few fire-starters and lighting a match. This article isn’t about who’s invented what, what sex is better so on. It’s about that plain and simple fact that I’m not property. That no women should be owned. And we shouldn’t have to run around trying to justify that. It’s not even strickly a feminist view. Just equality. Surely slavery was abolished?Surely if you had/have a daughter you would want her to be on an equal footing in terms of what profession she decides to do. Feel as safe where ever she is in the world like most men can? I hope you would encourage her to be great at what she decides to do more than my dad did for me.

And all MIKE can offer is more blaming, more demeaning and trying to sound superior and failing miserably. It is evident, just from his picture that his attractiveness to women is zero, (oh maybe a blind woman would accept his adolescent approaches) but I would lay money on him having suffered a lifetime of rejection.

This human species of animal has less chance of surviving the next 100 years thanks to MEN. And I guarantee that as the last manboy gasps his last breath he’ll be blaming his mother or women in general for HIS arrogance and stupidity.

I’ll see your hard luck story and raise you ……. a random woman stuck her hand down my pants in a nightclub and started playing with my dick, which couldn’t respond because it had been stripped of all erogenous tissue as I didn’t have the right to genital integrity.

So I was sexually assaulted by a slut. Did I complain? No. I moved on. I must be condiitoned to be polite in the face of sexual assault, I guess. No, this was insignificant to me. My main problem is the fact I can’t experience any sexual pleasure because circumcision (MGM) amputates the sole erogenous organ from the penis. But that’s okay because I’m a man and men are scum, right?

mathsisshite, I’m very sorry you had that experience. Likely, the woman thought you just wanted sex but didn’t have the male ability to know when a man wants or doesn’t want physical contact so just thought she’d go for it and see what happened. Was she a slut? Because you didn’t want the contact, yes. If you DID want the contact, would she still be a slut?

*sigh* This sort of experience is what most women endure as a regular thing in one variety or another. It’s not right and it’s not good no matter who it happens to.

As for your genital mutilation, I’m ver sorry for that, too. As soon as I learned about what doctors and others do to baby boys’ penises I was horrified and knew that if I ever had baby boy that was something that would NOT be done to him! I wouldn’t even pierce a baby girl’s ears, either. Bodily autonomy is vital to a healthy person for sure! However, it’s not true that the penis is the only part of the body that can feel erotic pleasures. People who are quadriplegics, for example, can learn to have orgasms by finding other places on the body that can learn to respond sexually to touch. A google search might yield some useful results for you. There is probably a way for you to feel sensual/sexual pleasure that does not involve your genitals. I hope you find something that works for you!

Just because men can rub two sticks together and make fire it does not make them Boy Scouts.

In fact they are more likely to take the fire and burn down everything around them. Wasn’t it a MAN who said ‘Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds’? Wasn’t it a MAN who invented the Gatling Gun, the Napalm Bomb, the Flame-Thrower, Greek Fire, most, if not all the bio-chem weapons, the Gas-ovens at Auschwitz, the Electric-chair, the firing squad, mortars and cannons, etc etc?

How many Female Camp Kommandents ran the Concentration Camps, or organised the Killing Fields of Cambodia, or kidnapped 100’s of schoolgirls to use as sex-slaves? How many Female CEO’s run Oil companies or polluting coal-fired power stations, or the Mining Companies that supply them while they ravage the environment. There is a reason for there being so few female engineers, and it’s because the projects are almost exclusively the province of men and their Big Dick fantasies.

Yes Men ARE good at inventing things that can destroy our humanity, our environment, our children, the animals we depend on for a balanced ecology, the seas and forests we need to breathe, they seem LESS capable or interested in solving the problems their arrogance creates.

As for the assumption you make about MY OWN lifestyle, yet again you conspire with yourself to make a fool out of yourself. Projecting your OWN planet-destroying activities on to me is so far from the mark as to be laughable. It’s true that I enjoy safe drinking water, (unlike the 45 States in Americunt whose water is deemed unsafe for human consumption thanks to the actions of MEN who built pipelines which leak, fracking wells that contaminate aquifers and cause earthquakes), although until fairly recently the supply to the house I protect (NOT OWN OR RENT) came from a mountain glacier via an ancient canal system, and yes I do use a computer which would not have been possible were it not for the contributions made by the FEMALE programmers and the almost exclusively FEMALE workers who put them together in MALE-run sweatshops all over the Far East,and whose efforts were/are deliberately ignored by the Male Establishment. I don’t know who originally built the Shepherd’s Hut that this house was extended from, but given that many of the stone-built dwellings and structures in this region were completed using the boulders that the WOMEN moved and carried up mountain paths for centuries, there’s a good chance that some of them were also involved in the construction. As they are still to this day.

I don’t own any wheeled transport, though I do occasionally ride the bus – usually driven by a WOMAN, I haven’t watched a television for at least 25 years (but most of THEM are assembled by the more dexterous women workers, as is virtually ALL High Tech equipment.)

The development of medicines stems almost entirely from the knowledge and trade-craft developed by the WISE-WOMEN we used to call Wiches but which has been confiscated by MEN seeking to make profit from the misery and sickness of the poorest. The very people that USED to visit their village healer – usually a WOMAN. Still today the MALE run Pharma Corporations swindle the mostly female 3rd World aboriginal healers out of their knowledge of plants and expertise in using them for PROFIT or to protect their patents.

I’ll give you the chemical industry which originated in the dyeing and weaving trades of the mostly Middle Ages European crafts. Interestingly that was the direct ancestor of the explosives and chemical warfare industries. Trust a MAN to see the potential for death in the art of colouring fabrics.

The problem lies not with technology itself, but in the blinkered view that MEN have of it, That no matter what the original purpose it was intended to achieve MEN will find a way to distort and corrupt it’s potential to one of death and destruction. For instance, did you know that the technology that gave rise to the great Cathedrals and Palaces arose from the engineering needs to construct fortified Castles and fortresses with clear lines of fire? Yet another example of MEN using their knowledge to support and exploit oppressive ideologies and social control systems for the benefit of a Minority Ruling Class of MEN.

In the course of my research I have confirmed what I already knew on the topic of circumcision. Originally thought to be a procedure that would enhance male hygiene in the Middle East where genital infections and irritation caused by sand had serious consequences, it was carried out by MEN on MEN as women were deemed to be unfit to handle male genitalia. It quickly became religionised in order to ensure compliance and universality, primarily amongst the Abrahamic religions.

mathsisshite is very enraged by the loss of his own foreskin and seems to blame women for his predicament. However, as in most things his target is in the wrong direction.

The main element of a bris – also called a brit milah–is the removal of the foreskin from an eight-day-old baby boy’s penis. But a bris is actually more than just a snip; it is a ceremony that includes various traditions, rituals, and prayers. Here’s a rundown of the main events.

The baby is handed to the sandek, which is the name given to the person who holds the baby during the circumcision. This is often one of the baby’s grandfathers, but parents can also choose to honor other people with the role.

When the baby arrives, the mohel – a professional specially trained in circumcision – welcomes him with the words: Baruch Ha-Ba. This means “blessed is the one who has arrived.”

The Procedure
Before the circumcision, the mohel recites a blessing acknowledging that the mitzvah (religious MALE determined) (commandment) of circumcision is about to be fulfilled.

The mohel uses a shield to protect the penis and to guide the knife to make sure only the foreskin is cut. There are different kinds of shields, some tighter than others. Some mohalim (plural for mohel) use a tighter shield that functions like a clamp, which they believe eases the baby’s pain. Jewish legal authorities debate the permissibility of these different shields. The general concern is the act of circumcision must immediately draw blood; some tight shields delay blood flow.

Similarly, Jewish legal authorities debate the use of local anesthetic. Mohalim who do not use anesthetic give the baby sugar water or wine as a mild form of sedation. When choosing a mohel, it is worthwhile to ask what his policies are regarding clamps and anesthetic.

As in the Muslim tradition – Muslims are still the largest single religious group to circumcise boys. In Islam circumcision is also known as tahara, meaning purification. … In the Sunnah, Muhammad stated that circumcision was a “law for men.” The main reason given for the ritual is cleanliness. (Aug 13, 2009) – it has been given a MALE-Dominated Religious significance with no basis in medical fact or purpose. Just as the practice of FEMALE circumcision has been carried out in very many Patriarchal societies for the express purpose of restricting female sexual pleasure and opportunity, and ensuring their submission to male gratification. Women have been coerced into performing this barbarity by the men thus ensuring THEIR complicity.

mathsisshite is right to complain that his physical integrity was violated. Whether for religious or cultural reasons we do not know. The fact remains it is MEN who have invented and continue to inflict this monstrous procedure for whatever justification based on a Male-orientated concept of God’s (a MAN) wishes.

Terrorist groups today (as in the past) use the “foreskin test” to determine the victims for execution, otherwise called MURDER. Almost exclusively MEN killing Men.

So, mathsisshite, direct your outrage where it belongs. At the MALE-dominated religions and customs that have determined the course of Human History down the long dark passage to extinction.

Nah, just haven’t got the patience to try educating witless and unwilling MEN. Strange how the boys in my College classes invariably failed their exams whilst my female students were ahead of the curve in every subject I taught. And I NEVER had to wait for THEIR homework or projects.

Thanks for putting your powerful thoughts into words. I hope they help young girls and boys steer through the dangerous rapids of life and speak to those who treat women as conquests. There has to be a social sizemic shift to right a lot of wrongs and misconceptions. I’m sorry you’ve chosen to withdraw but I totally understand. I have 4 years on you, gets tireing eh. Enjoy your time, regards, Brian

I let my disgust for the replies of the little boys here get the better of me. So a few more replies to the unjustifiable snarks and whining have crept from my fingertips. What the hell, SOMEONE has to stand against the tide of arrogance and feeble bigotry of the Lost Boys!

“Some women have made great contributions. We get it. We do. But very often their contributions have been exaggerated. I could send you an article on Rosalind Franklin but you wouldn’t read it. She thought DNA was a triple helix, Crick & Watson worked out it was a double helix. Franklin may or may not have got a Nobel Prize, but they’re not awarded posthumously.”

And Fleming almost ignored the mould that led to Penicillin.

“It’s commonly believed that James Watson and Francis Crick discovered the double helix shape of DNA. But in fact, they based their work on one of their colleagues at King’s College in London – Rosalind Franklin, an x-ray diffraction expert whose images of DNA proteins in the early 1950s revealed a helix shape.Feb 15, 2011”

“A similar set of events occurred when Chien-Shiung Wu (1912-1997), a Chinese-American female experimental physicist, upended a law of physics but her findings were credited to two male theoretical physicists, Tsung-Dao Lee and Chen Ning Yang, who initially approached Wu to help disprove the law of parity”

“Although much progress in women’s rights took place following the 1950s when Franklin’s and Wu’s discoveries were largely overtaken by male scientists, a similar set of events happened when Jocelyn Bell Burnell (born July 15, 1943), an Irish astrophysicist, discovered the first radio pulsars as a 24-year-old postgraduate student in Cambridge on November 28, 1967

Despite having been the first to ever observe a pulsar, Jocelyn Bell Burnell, was largely excluded from the initial accompanying accolades associated with this discovery. In fact, her supervisor, Antony Hewish would go on to earn a Nobel Prize in Physics in 1974 (along Martin Ryle) while Bell Burnell was excluded.”

And the story goes on: “6 Women Scientists Who Were Snubbed Due to Sexism”

It’s so easy to tell the truth, one wonders why so many people (MEN mostly) find it so difficult.

“Are the Nobel Prizes Missing Female Scientists?
The prize is biased toward men of European descent, and European and American researchers in general, a bias that is part of a larger problem of excluding women and minorities for consideration”
By Jesse Emspak, LiveScience on October 7, 2016

“10 Groundbreaking Women Scientists Written Off By History”

Maybe if more MEN had INQUIRING minds and the natural curiosity that comes from an absence of arrogance and the ridiculous proposition that Men are superior, they would be more inclined to RESEARCH their arguments BEFORE making themselves look stupid. It’s not that hard, just requires acceptance that KNOWLEDGE is better than hubris. It took me 5 minutes to uncover these examples of male suppression of female expertise.

And again we come up against the thing that says “all women should be beautiful and if they’re not they’re useless and worthy of being called names, shunned, hated and vilified.” And of course, “all women must be beautiful in the way that MEN decide is beauty- and that changes on a moment by moment basis so no woman can ever hope to be beautiful for more than one moment at a time, if that.”

Just yesterday my 21 year old daughter was telling me about at least 5 situations she had to endure while traveling. In each case the men approached her, invaded her personal space, asked prying questions, did NOT read or listen to the obvious signals she was giving that she was NOT interested and some even followed her when she walked away. Who in the right mind thinks this is ok to do? Why should she have to put up with this? Why can’t she be left alone in peace to just be?? What if we started doing this to men sitting at a train station, reading their books in peace. What if we insisted on sitting next to him, on asking him personal questions, commanding him to smile and then followed him when he moved away?

Thank you and the reasonable people in this thread who get it and who want to help. It’s pretty simple, really. People are not properties and are not required nor obligated to meet our needs or desires, without concent! PERIOD.

That was obviously unacceptable behaviour, if it happened. But to suggest that only males behave unacceptably – as you are obviously doing – is simply not the case. If you go to Men’s Rights Reddit, you will be able to find cases of males complaining about unacceptable female behaviour, including females touching them without permission, touching them intimately without permission, and even touching them intimately when they have made clear they do not want to be touched at all.

So, what you are describing are not examples of male behaviour; they are examples of individual’s behaviour, and males often have to put up with much the same sort of thing.

Of course she is lying. They both are, because men would NEVER assault a young girl alone on public transport. Oh wait, I just remembered – all those Japanese Porn movies of REAL LIFE sexual assaults on teens in buses and trains. Japan has one of the world’s highest rates of unreported sex crime because the shame heaped on those who report it is worse than the attack itself. But OF COURSE it’s not the MEN’s fault. Young girls shouldn’t travel so enticingly in their school uniforms.

Ah – a meninist. As though the social power balance between men and women is equal. It isn’t, and there’s no point in pretending you don’t know that. The comment didn’t imply anything about women behaving unacceptably, and even in instances that happens (because it does), the greater power differential is still the same. To use your words, “they are examples of individual’s behavior,” but men do not have to put up with the overall social disadvantage women have to deal with. What social disadvantages? One may ask. Listen when women talk, and you’ll hear it.

“but men do not have to put up with the overall social disadvantage women have to deal with….”

Except that women do not have to put up with any social disadvantages… They get special treatment from the cradle to the grave: more money spent on their healthcare (even though they pay a fraction of taxes), more money spent on research into their illnesses (even though men die sooner), lesser punishments for the same offence, only a fraction (in my country 2%) of workplace deaths, less than 0.00001% of military casualties (the latter two instances in spite of supposed same pay and conditions), and preferential treatment in the family and divorce courts. I could go on. Any social disadvantages you think you suffer exist only in your feminist mind.,

Are you dismissing her experiences?
lol
Now, I’m not one to make ad popullum arguments, but most women agree with her, and since you are one to say women’s opinions trump’s evidence, well, you dug your own hole.

Firstly, when it comes to the “bar situation”, we live in a culture where all (except for the most high status) men are expected to approach women in order to initiate sexual relationships, virtually all of the time.

Now, some men learn to do it in an appropriate way and are successful, some men are socially awkward and don’t do it properly, some in the pick-up community make it a profession. Some outstay their welcome, and, yes it might get annoying in bars. And yes, some women find catcalling annoying. Some, however, love the attention because it feels it gives them power to manipulate men to do whatever they want, and at their expense.

But men cannot know the individual disposition, the likes and dislikes, of any given woman unless they are approached.

Here’s the key thing though – it’s NOT out of any sense of entitlement – it’s out of necessity. The onus remains on men to initiate relationships, because if average men do not initiate, then they will never get laid and have children. And, it’s the man who is always taking the risk of rejection – this one-sided dynamic is a privilege that women enjoy, and as a man I’ve seen women take perverse pleasure in dishing out rejection when it suits them.

Some men experience rejection so many times that it colours their view of women permanently, and that’s why some men may snap at women who reject them.

And, some women know they have this kind of sexual power and they use it. So, when feminists talk about men having “all the power” they don’t know what they are talking about.

And are you telling me that women don’t objectify men, or don’t do anything bad towards men at all? How many times have you seen guys with six-packs ogled over by women in women’s magazines. Give me a break.

Your clear lack of balance, and the excessive victimhood narrative of your article, is a symptom your brain having been drugged up on the religion of modern third wave feminism. You should try and look into some men’s issues to try and understand why men really act they way they do, or maybe actually ask a few?

You are effectively trying to bring about a situation in which the normal messy interactions between men and women become highly controlled and regulated.

As for your final point, both men and women can be controlling of each other in relationships, and domestic violence is often two way. But for years, feminists have been trying to put violence on a “spectrum” that begins with politically incorrect jokes or catcalling. There is NO EVIDENCE for this – in my view such a theory is misandrist.

Sara dear, eye rolling is an ugly form of feminine aggression better suited to the sociopathic world of gossip girl gangs. Female vile is every bit as potent as male violence. If it weren’t, The Woman Racket (Moxon) would have collapsed long ago and women would be living the short, brutal nasty lives that women force men to live now.

Everything is the fault of men, including women’s inability to keep their legs closed. Is this what you’re saying? Like it matters. I don’t trust anything that uses makeup, breasts, and vaginas to control others. Women, as a whole, are the ultimate whining manipulators who continuously fail to see how things really are. Don’t like this comment? I don’t care. Go have another innocent man arrested and sent to prison for what he never did.

I know, right. These feminists go about wearing make-up, then have the audacity to whine about men’s dishonesty. If men were feminists, they’d be charging every ugly munter they woke up beside with fraud via use of clown paint to disguise their hideousness.

Yeah, those Sabine Women were REAL bitches, throwing themselves off walls just to piss the Roman men off. It may be just an apocryphal myth but it was based on real experiences, just the ordinary every day events faced by women (like the Nigerian school girls) every day.
“he rape of the Sabine Women was an incident from Roman mythology, in which the men of Rome committed a mass abduction of young women from the other cities in the region”
They even made a Hollywood move on the subject which depicted the women being sooo impressed by their abductors, tghey all fell in love. Yeahh Right.

In Malta there is a semi-religious order of women who shun male company and wear Black all the time. They do so as a reminder and constant rebuke to the men of Malta who were too cowardly to protect them (wives, daughters, sisters, mothers,) from the hordes who repeatedly invaded the island and raped them.

But what the heck, the women were just asking for it, out there on that little rock with only a bunch of cowards to hide in the shadows as the women screamed.

Women want to have their cake and eat it too. Men are forced into the role of pursuer, because most women don’t approach men and engage in conversation. And then women complain about unwanted attention.

Women encourage this kind of behavior, because they still want men to do the approaching and risk rejection. So this encourages obnoxious assholes, while discouraging shy, introverted men.

Yeah, the guy should have walked away when the woman said “I’m just here to be with my friends.”, but a more direct “I’m not interested.” would have gotten the message across better. Women expect men to be mind readers and to pick up on subtle hints, but it doesn’t always work that way.

My advice to women faced with this situation is to forget trying to be courteous. Very few men could even spell it let alone know what it means. So when a man invades a woman’s personal space and ignores her silence she should just tell him to “F**K OFF” in as loud and clear as possible. If that fails call the police and have him arrested for harassment.

Something that men do not get is that there is no inherent right to conversation, social or sexual intercourse and certainly no right to breed. If men HAVE to get their rocks off they should buy themselves an inflatable rubber doll that has no feelings, wants ,desires or need for intelligent conversation. That way both parties get what they really want.

Every person in the world has to get their rocks off, idiot, male or female. And NORMAL men and women want to find partners. Only a freak has never felt the need to find a partner.

Males have no inherent right to genital integrity but I don’t see you complaining about that. No, you’re too busy inventing problems like “waaaahhhhh some woman somewhere at some pooint in time has a man ask her out 2 or 3 times after she says no … waaaahhhhhhhh”

IF you’re not on medication, I recommend you visit a general practioner soon and explain your behaviour. You clearly have such hatred of men and such anger that it’s coming to a head. I might see you on the news soon. Something like that group of women who tortured a disabled man in a wheelchair. Mind you, you probably think that’s progressive.

Why? Why do they HAVE to? I’ve been celibate – out of personal choice – for thirty years. I’ve sown my seed, fathered a DAUGHTER so perhaps my viewpoint is a protective one based on HER experiences with men.

There is no compulsion for human sexual activity, procreation does not depend on it, babies can be born without male penetration, and who said anything about genital integrity? It seems to me that your obsession with the loss of your foreskin is a tad neurotic.

I’ve already said on this blog, I don’t hate men, though I do hate what they do most of the time. No, I pity them their pubescent angst and their unwillingness to achieve responsible adulthood. Which is a state of mind not an age determined mile-post. I am shamed by the attitudes and behaviours they exhibit and despair of them ever discovering what it means to BE a man. As opposed to a dick on legs.

Once again a man refuses to accept personal responsibility for his actions or desires. No one is FORCING men to be pursuers. This is not The Hunger Games or the Roman Amphitheatre. This is men being selfish, egocentric pr*cks who think that every woman is just longing to be his brood-mare and no one could ever want to turn him down. If you HAVE to initiate contact try writing a letter or a poem and then leave the woman to respond IF she wants too.

No man has a RIGHT to be spoken too or indulged and if more mothers taught their sons respect for others – ALL others – we might have a more civilised society and women around the world would not be subjected to acid attacks and gang rape and stoning.

Come on all you armchair warriors, tell me WHEN did you last hear of a man being stoned to death? EVER?

” If you HAVE to initiate contact try writing a letter or a poem and then leave the woman to respond IF she wants too.”

This is guaranteed to dessicate any straight woman’s vagina, though, and virtually any adult male knows this.

Most women WANT men to come up and chat to them. Even if they aren’t in the market for a boyfriend, they love to feel sexy. You’re assuming all or most women are mentally ill lesbians like you. Of course, if the “right” sort of guy comes up and chats to a woman and they get together , that’s okay. But if the “wrong” sort of guy comes up to a woman, then that’s terrible. Because as all progressive people should know by now, all men must be able to read women’s minds. We must be able to foretell whether they will find us attractive and agree to us buying them a drink, and we must be able to tell if they’ve had too many drinks –because it’s not the woman’s responsibility, it’s the man’s.

If all those men coming up to women and chatting them up looked like David Beckham and all the women he approached were heterosexual, we wouldn’t even be discussing this.

Okay, the next time some 20 stone lardass of a woman comes up to me in a bar, I’ll tell her to take her fat disgusting mess of a body and go jump off a bridge. And you’ll support that because you are in favour of equality, aren’t you ……

I don’t argue in favour of ANYONE imposing their desires, fantasises or hangups on ANYONE. The likelihood of your scenario happening is as high as my chance of dying a rich man.

Your rant is exactly the point this article addresses, men believing they have a RIGHT to demand attention from a woman. That any woman would be or SHOULD be flattered by attention from a man because they all secretly want to be dominated and raped. The typical male fantasy of the submissive but highly-sexed nymphomaniac who only needs a little encouragement to drop her drawers and pleasure your manhood.

The problem with your mindset is that women are people too, but you only see WOMEN!

So Shakespeare, Solomon, Keats, Wordsworth, Byron, Poe, Coleridge, Blake, Burns and all the OTHER men who had women throwing their knickers at them because of their poetry were dessicaters? Yeah right. And once again you demonstrate your total ignorance of a woman’s mind.

You really, REALLY don’t get it. Women LOVE to know that a man values them so highly he would sit and pour his thoughts and emotions into a poem. They ADORE that he would reveal himself AND have the courage to commit his feelings to paper. Women want to be cherished not chastised, They WANT to know what men think (sometimes too much perhaps) because THEY think all the time.

You just revealed your total LACK of empathy, insight and the reason no woman with a sense of self-respect would want you. You even think writing a letter is beneath you.

No kidding!!! I hang out with a LOT of artists and musicians and believe me- poems, works of art and other expressions of respectful adoration are GREATLY appreciated by me and all my friends! There is nothing quite like having a gorgeous person sing a love song for you or finding a love note from your sweetheart on your pillow or even just a quick text saying something sweet and friendly. Makes the whole day better, especially when you know there’s no price tag attached to it.

Summary:
Article: Men suck. In detail. Look at all the stuff they do to women.
Comment: What a bad attitude. Good luck with that.
Reply by author: You’re the one with the bad attitude.
Dogpile: You go girl. Men bad.
Other Dogpile: Oh, yeah? You’ve got nothing but nasty things to say.
Back and forth for awhile….
Comment list summary:
We do not agree…(both sides)
Final summary:
People do not agree on these issues and don’t discuss them either. They just yell.

This blog is just pure poison, the repressed hatred spewing forth is almost tangible. Still it’s a good advert for staying single, imagine the horror of finding yourself in a relationship with the author or one of her acolytes.

says the dick-brained misogynistic coward too weak even to come up with a relevant descriptive name who has done nothing but vomit hate-speak, curses, vile accusations based on nothing but his own pathetic inadequacy.

Here Anonymous I’ll GIVE you this name for free. Harold Shipman. There you go.

And if we counted abortion, which we should, women would make up about 99% of serial killers worldwide. But hey, it’s okay when they’re in the womb because they can’t fight back, and it’s a woman’s choice. After all, having spare money for fancy hair styles, dresses, shoes and being able to go out slutting it up ever night is “progressive”.

Well men could more easily relate to fembots, after all, they don’t feel, think, need love or encouragement, require emotional support and understanding so I think it would be a perfect solution to their dilemma of “how can I be a creep and still get my rocks off?”

There’s the added advantage that Fembots are machines, high technology and virtually all the men I’ve ever known have more instinctual care and respect for machines than they ever have for human beings, let alone women.

Absobloodylutely. If women have any sense they would make them mandatory with the requirement that men must pass an exam on female anatomy, psyche, and live life as a woman for a minimum of one year, before being allowed to ask a woman for a date.

A novel, just published, does in fact project present polices forward to their logical conclusion, and male readers would do well to read it, and see the sort of things they are if or if feminism isn’t stopped: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071H7JQB4

No doubt you have not seen or read “The Handmaid’s Tale” written apocryphally but based on real life experiences in 1930’s Germany. A story drawn from generations of real women’s lives in male-dominated societies all over this planet. I’d ask for men to show a little more empathy to the ACTUAL experiences of women – even unto this day – but I have met less than a bus-load in my entire life that can even comprehend the concept let alone display it.

Incorrect. It completely does. Do a little more research. Also, why do you insist on jumping to insults? Do they somehow help you make your argument? I find they make it easier to dismiss your comments out of hand, for your ad hominem attacks.

Oh. You are sure of that, are you? Totally confident in your arrogance and ignorance, Jah?

So you won’t have heard of the NAZI Lebensborn Camps then.

Lebensborn e.V. (literally: “Fount of Life”) was an SS-initiated, state-supported, registered association in Nazi Germany with the goal of raising the birth rate of “Aryan” children via extramarital relations of persons classified as “racially pure and healthy” based on Nazi racial hygiene and health ideology. Lebensborn encouraged anonymous births by unmarried women, and mediated adoption of these children by likewise “racially pure and healthy” parents, particularly SS members and their families. The Cross of Honour of the German Mother was given to the women who bore the most Aryan children. Abortion was illegal at this time.

Nor will you have heard of the “Bund Deutscher Mädel”. All girls in the BDM were constantly reminded that the great task of their schooling was to prepare them to be “carriers of the… Nazi world view” in other words the Mothers of The Master Race.

I can honestly say that I have never seen a male behave in the way the author of this blog describes in her opening words, any more than in the forty odd years I have been travelling on the London tube I have seen a woman being sexually harassed – an event claimed to happen with appalling frequency by feminists. No doubt the odd case does occur, in the same way that the reverse – a female picking on a male does occur. The point is that it’s not a “male” thing; it’s an individual thing,

This sort of event will surely become even more rare when sexbots are fully developed. In about ten to fifteen years, they will be perfected and then women, for many men, will be obsolete. Just think of it guys, sex whenever you want it, no more having to have your partner’s permission for sex, no nagging, no more false accusations…

As for feminists claiming they just want “equality”, this is simply untrue. They simply want the best bits without any responsibilities. In my country, 98% of workplace casualties are male. This in spite of equal pay and conditions.

Why not spend a week dressed as a woman and see how your days go? Make sure you have some company with you so you don’t have to fear for your life if you meet up with the “wrong” sort of people. I won’t even say “men” here because women can be just as cruel and dangerous as men, when provoked, though I have a feeling you’ll find that the ones to be afraid of are your fellow males. Seriously. If it’s not dangerous to be a woman in society then wearing women’s clothes shouldn’t be a problem, either. I look forward to your report on your experience.

Holy fucking God, some men really hate women. Look at some of the highlights stile, stupid comments on here and then you jerks wonder why this woman wrote this blog or why any woman let alone many relate to this? Feminists want equality. We want to be treated with respect. Not asking to much.

They don’t HATE them, jambiethoughts, they are SCARED of them. It’s hard work getting to understand the female perspective and most men just aren’t up to the task. It requires effort, patience, the capacity for empathy, a willingness to see the world from a different viewpoint and sadly the Footie is on or Top Gear is showing and they just cannot find the time in their busy schedules to think beyond the next pint or wank.

So they mock you, beat you, make you feel inferior knowing that you will cower and cry in your room and they can get on with the important business of being dick-brains.

So how many years did YOUR degree in Psychology take mathsisshite. Even your pseudonym reveals your appetite or rather lack of it for education. So do tell, how many years have YOU been a practising psychotherapist? Huh?

I’ve been at it for over thirty years and treated both genders and in-betweens and I suspect my viewpoint is based on experience and study rather than bigotry and misogyny.

I guess her managing to become the youngest MP since the 17th century despite being a foul-mouthed, uncouth lowlife is another example of the patriarchy keeping women down.

Psychology is largely bunkum. Virtually none of it is hard science, and most of it is hypothetical and unproven. It’s not as ridiculous as gender studies but it’s not a million miles away. I’m too intelligent to subject myself to such political indoctrination. I prefer hard science.

“I’ve been at it for over thirty years”

And there’s the problem in a nutshell. You’ve been indoctrinated by the gender bender brigade, then you’ve managed to claim a handsome salary from talking bollocks. Most people are selfish. Why would you stop talking bollocks when talking bollocks is so profitable. It’s like asking a doctor who makes a profit from cutting off infant foreskins to embrace medical ethics and the law and stop doing it. He’ll always fight for the thickness of his wallet.

Actually mathsisshite, until I retired I gave most of my services free of charge to the unwaged, low-earners and unemployed who were unable to access private or NHS services. In my entire career as a therapist I doubt I received 50k in total and I supplemented my income with a teacher’s salary, working so many hours I barely had time to eat or sleep. I did not become a psychologist to get rich and I’ve never met one who did. I studied (at my OWN expense) and practised because I perceived a need that was not met by state resources. I did it because I could and was good at it.

As for it not being scientific, you evidently haven’t kept up to date with your education. But even without the benefit of umpteen research papers, empirical and practical experience, major philosophical and practical contributions to the human condition and our understanding of what makes people tick and why they do the things they do, the principals of psychology are the foundation of all human intercourse and communication. Without the ability to perceive, interpret and apply one’s perception of a stranger (or friend) there would be no human race. We’d have died out before we left our caves. Maybe THAT wouldn’t have been such a bad thing after all. Still at least the present direction of movement will result in another species gaining precedence perhaps with greater success. They certainly couldn’t do worse, if the contributions to THIS blog is anything to go by.

Okay, I’ll accept that without evidence.I’m aware there are people like you who are so brainwashed, they devote every moment of their time toward furthering a cult’s agenda. It’s paradoxical that you despise religion yet you are demonstrating the very religious obsession you hate. But it’s under the guise of progressivism and secularism, so you can pretend it’s different.

There’s very little truly scientific about psychology. And peer-review is not a badge of authenticity. As a bit of an expert on male “circumcision”, I could show you dozens upon dozens of methodologically flawed and fraudulent studies which are nothing other than pro-circ zealots working backwards from the conclusions they want to promote, then getting fellow pro-circ zealots to give them their seal of approval. Likewise, the same thing happens in “disciplines” like psychology.. An example is the gender bender ideology and transgenderism, which resulted in men being able to change their legal status to female because they FEEL it.

It’s only “hard work” to understand women or men or others when you think of them as being solely informed by their gender. It’s like race. Same thing. We are all much more alike than not- only our experiences make us truly different, and some genetic things that humans aren’t able to control- yet. All the women I know and most of the men are feminists, for lack of a better word, but what they really are is equal opportunity acceptors of humanity. If you’re kind and honest, great! If you’re not, be off with you. No hassle about which sex a person is or even a lack of sex. Behavior is the determiner of whether or not you are accepted. It’s pretty basic, too, understanding anyone: listen to their stories, assume there is truth even in their lies (which can be entirely unconscious- society programs us to lie as an every day thing and it’s very hard to break away from that) and then watch their behavior to see what they really think.

Finally, everyone wants the same basic things: a safe place to live, food, water, security enough in their work/income so that they can expect their children (if they choose to have them) to grow up healthy and safe. After that it’s all social conditioning/breaking away from social conditioning.

It’s not rocket science. Babies understand adults all the time without even knowing language, as do most of our pets. BUT the thing is- babies and animals don’t expect that they already know what humans want or what they expect. They just go on behavior and micro expressions. Try it! You might find it very interesting to set aside your ideas about people (not just women) and see what you find out.

No, what is hard work is trying to wade through the massive generalizations the post’s author believes in, that you support, and which create the illusion that pretty much if you’re a man, you’re an ass. It’s the kind of dialogue here that could leave somebody like me feeling like … well, if you’re just gonna think I’m an ass, no matter what I do, because I’m a man, I might as well act like one.

It’s funny watching you mock, beat, and try to make inferior others, as you criticize them for that behavior.

The article come off like a feminist piece from 30 years ago. This is the 21st Century, guy’s don’t hit on women like that, unless they want to get shaken down by the cops for harassment and stalking, if not tossed out by the bar bouncer. Then there’s the whole issue of a guy trying to pick up a woman who’s been imbibing alcohol, even if he somehow gets an enthusiastic response he’s risking a rape conviction.

Do men treat women like their bodies are commodities? Women and the family court clearly treat men’s bodies like women’s commodities. Don’t worry about men trying to possess you ladies, they’re much more concerned about sperm jacking, false rape allegations, false domestic violence allegations, alimony payments, child support, being victims of domestic violence and sexual abuse by female perpetrators themselves.

You needn’t worry about any of that $hit, because in a few more years sexbots and artificial wombs will hit the market, and no man will give you a second glance again, EVER.

Let me put it this way. If a Jewish man was charged with rape by a Nazi women in Nazi Germany, and the Judge was a Nazi, the Prosecutor a Nazi, , the Defense Attorney was a Nazi,
and the Jury all Nazis, would you expect the trial to be a fair one.

Likewise, in the old south, If it was a Black man accused of raping a KKK woman, and the Judge, Prosecutor, Defense Attorney and Jury all belonged to the KKK, would you expect a fair outcome?

The Nazis have been indoctrinated to believe that the inferior Jews instinctively oppress and exploit innocent superior Nazi Aryans. The KKK are indoctrinated to believe that inferior Blacks instinctively oppress and exploit superior innocent Whites.

Today in any court dispute between a man and a woman, all court officials have undergone gender studies as part of their legal education. They have been indoctrinated to believe in patriarchy theory. That is to say, they believe that inferior males instinctively oppress and exploit innocent superior females. How can any man get a fair trial under these circumstances. Any judge who has undergone diversity training from a feminist should recuse themselves to prevent bias.

Yeah, those sex-bots can churn out more fake women for you to abuse and exploit. Sadly they won’t be alive or capable of reproduction so in one short generation you have made yourself extinct. Unless you plan on NAZI baby-farms like they had in Germany and Russia, hijacking women’s wombs to create more sex-toys for your enjoyment.

If there is a way to abuse and exploit ANYTHING – animate OR inanimate – MEN will find it. It’s what they DO, their raison d’etre, the motivating force behind all their actions. the drive that gives them erections. If they can’t abuse and exploit they destroy. It’s why the human race will not survive.

So what your’e saying is millions upon millions of women globally are exploiting and abusing dildos.

The human race is destined to be wiped out by an asteroid at some point in the future. If it hadn’t been for those men (laregely white men …… ugh how awful, eg?) we’d definitely have no chance of surviving, what with all their backward technology and science and intellectual inquiry.

If anyone’s trying to wipe out the human race, it’s you feminists. 9 million babies killed since 1967 in the UK alone since abortion was made legal.

Your hatred of men means everythingyou say is rooted in emotion and you’re incapable of critical thought.

I don’t HATE men as a gender. Being one myself, I am disappointed by them, ashamed to be associated with many of them, saddened by their refusal to mature and see beyond their own narrow horizons, and frankly weary of their childishness.

I have known a few good men in my long life, sadly not enough of them to obliterate the memories of the monstrous and atavistic majority.

I am NOT afraid to confront MY Dark Side, to acknowledge it and work to incorporate it into the entirety that is me. I have no compunction whatsoever in recognising that I still have much to learn and little time to do it. I accept that men are, in general, a necessary evil but I wish they would get on with realising and fulfilling their potential rather than wallowing in self-pity, clinging to a dead past and wishing to turn back the clocks.

mathsisshite – you have chosen your pseudonym wisely Obi Wan. Your grasp of numbers, percentages and mathematical truths is truly non-existent and thus consistent with your chosen identity. May The Fork Be With You.

” you have chosen your pseudonym wisely Obi Wan. Your grasp of numbers, percentages and mathematical truths is truly non-existent and thus consistent with your chosen identity. May The Fork Be With You.”

My pseudonym is the oafish utterance of a 21st century womyn after a night out abusing her liver with cheap alcopops. She’s not a British MP because vagina.

What numbers and percentages have I used that you disagree with? The 9 million babies aborted since 1967 is based on UK government national statistics. I guess they’ll be wrong too because anything that doesn’t suit you is EVIL MENZZZZ11111!!!!111oneone

You state: “If there is a way to abuse and exploit ANYTHING – animate OR inanimate – MEN will find it. It’s what they DO, their raison d’etre, the motivating force behind all their actions.”

So, when I take a nap this afternoon, I’m doing so to ensure I’ll have the energy later on to abuse and exploit something, right? Seriously, you are just about the laziest “debater” I’ve ever seen. Try to expand your worldview beyond your simple generalizations.

Life is too short to take this nonsense too seriously.
I didn’t so much speed read, as ‘block clock’ it myself!

A point by point rebuttal and deconstruction of the inherent falacies therein would be straight forward.
But it’s much easier to let the rant expose her sad resentment and insecurity for itself.

She is telling us that she feels rejected and unwanted, and so will return the dis-favour – with interest.
A pity femarxism has made her so unhappy.

But then weaponising human weaknesses and insecurities is it’s bitterly cruel purpose and speciality.
One can but hope she eventually gets better – living with the grief of unfulfilled hopes and desires is such a waste.

“It’s our lovers, the men we trust and love. They think nothing of laying down a guilt trip if we refuse sex. After all, what right do we have to consider our own mood/desires/feelings? Our bodies should be open for business when he needs it, the moment he needs it. After all, we love him, right? C’mon baby, you say you love me but you aren’t acting like it right now. And they don’t understand or see that their pressure and guilt is added to the pile of male needs and desires we’ve spent a lifetime collecting and being held responsible for.” I have a solution for you ladies, don’t ever get married, don’t ever date any men, don’t ever interact with men or be friends with men. Just go your own way and stay far, far away from men so you don’t have to suffer based on your delusions of what mem supposedly do. We men will thank you with our hearts and we will al be able to live happily ever after! =)

Yet more male logic. Unbelievable. The problems with men are to be solved by women ignoring them, segregating themselves for their own safety, and men refusing to acknowledge them. So, in one generation you have solved the battle of the sexes and the human race is extinct. Well Done Professor Einstein!

Except the “problems” you moan about are either not actual problems (like men chatting up women) or problems that will always exist and cannot be eradicated, e.g. men killing women (as crime will always happen in a minority of cases).

nothing to worry about then. We’ll just let Honour Crimes and FGM and rape and porn and child-sex-trafficking and denial of the right to even drive a car or leave the house with a male “protector” and wage inequality and male arrogance thinking they are God’s gift to silly women who don’t know when they are well off, carry on as before and all will be well.

The wage gap is a myth in the West. It doesn’t exist. It’s spun as one but you need to ignore such things as different choices made by men and women and the fact women take more part-time work.

Something like not being able to drive a car might seem bizarre to a Westerner but that’s their culture. To claim having your own chauffeur due to chivalry is oppression of women while ignoring the real oppression in the muslim world which is the fact every single male child has his sole erogenous organ cut off, is frankly, moronic. But then you are a moron and this is what you’re good at.

Actually, I just found a pool of men and others who adore each other, respect each other and don’t demand sex from any one person because if that person has a “headache” they can easily find another partner- with the willing and happy cooperation of their primary partner. EVERYONE wins, including the kids! But you go on with your life and be happy as you are. We’ll be over here having amazing sex, eating great food and raising up the next generation to do much the same- if they choose to. No harm, no foul, if they don’t.

I’d change two phrases in the paragraph about the friend-zone: 1: some men are actually more sad than angry that they are always denied access to someone they like. And 2: the problem here is that society and the media has made us wrongly believe that being cool should make us automatically attractive enough for the women we like.

Despite all the name-calling, juvenile cat-calls and bigoted ribaldry there IS a serious point not covered in this attack on the ONLY source of new life available to humanity.
Science is making advances in cell-reproduction at a rapid pace, which is all to the good because male fertility is plummeting and the birth rate in the “developed” world is below that required for population stability let alone growth.

Before too long men will become the irrelevancy they have been destined to be. They will not be necessary to the process of new life and will be relegated to the role of mules and beasts of burden.

Some male births will continue of course to maintain species variety but already females are out-performing men in so many fields that male-prostitution will be a good business opportunity.

The upside is that with fewer men able to exercise control over the means of production and reproduction this planet MAY get a chance to heal itself and the human race might discover what REALLY matters in terms of development and progress.

One can but hope, because with the death-throe thrashings of male-dominance now being demonstrated all over the globe the risk is that Men will take the entire race and maybe even Life itself, down with them.

No they could not. The male physiology is incapable of supporting the structure of a womb. Male sperm can be replicated, but a place for a fertilised ova to gestate does not and cannot exist in male body. If hermaphroditism were a viable form of reproduction Nature would have ensured it’s wide-spread use.

mathsisshite says:
May 7, 2017 at 7:52 am
“but a place for a fertilised ova to gestate does not and cannot exist in male body”

Yes, but it doesn’t require a woman’s body, and THAT is why transhumanism will render women redundant when it comes to childbirth.

And the chances of MEN being the child-rearers of test-tube babies is ZERO. Most of them cannot find their own arses without a diagram, are incapable of the empathy needed to change a babies nappy, spend hours persuading it to bottle-feed, play with it or just cuddle it. With the attention span of gnats and the sensitivity of a cricket bat their idea of child-rearing is to PAY someone else to accept the responsibility. But without WOMEN, most will have starved THEMSELVES to death before their progeny has finished potty-training.

Fun! Humans are so amazing! All this intelligence and we come up with so many neat, new ways to create hell on earth when it could be paradise for everyone. I’m so grateful I never got pregnant or had kids and that I’m closing in on the last part of my life. Ya’ll have a great time with your Brave New World. I can’t even wish you luck with either outcome of this wretched and increasingly stupid war between the sexes. Humans don’t deserve space on this planet and I look forward to the day the planet shrugs her shoulders and cleans house.

I’m with you on that ferlonda. When you look at the number of women who supported Trump, Berlusconi (when he was still important) Erdovan, Putin, Duterte, those who went to marry ISIS murderers, and all the other enablers of male idiocy and destruction, it makes one wonder what cruel joker could come up with a species like ours. I used to think we would one day go to the stars, now I’m afraid if we do. The viral infection that is mankind must not be allowed to spread beyond this planet.

(Just saw this comment today. Sorry!) Don’t worry- humans will most likely be extinct or reduced to small bands of hunter gatherers again, if we’re lucky. I figure the folks who will survive our insanity are the aborigines of Australia and possibly Africa. Otherwise? All bets are off.

Cupcake. Interesting. Sort of a homophobic slur, isn’t it? And why would being gay be considered a bad thing? Well, gays are men who don’t provide resources for women. The definition of a man in this society is someone who provides resources, specifically resources for women, so gays don’t qualify as men. Hence “cupcake” implies gay implies “not a man”. Hence the genesis of homophobia. Let me shill for a friend here: http://amzn.to/2pmbYFT

Have to disagree, Arthur. Gay men are also financially raped via the tax system. Men pay the majority of tax and it gets redistributed primarily to women’s healthcare, daddy government women’s benefits and worthless, anti-male feminist programmes.

?? Of course gay men are raped by the tax system. I was merely demonstrating how and where homophobia begins – in the male role that says men’s reason for existence is to provide for women. Big daddy government just acts as a proxy for that.

Nananoyz, thank you. Against my better judgment I later read the piece at normal speed, and found it even more absurd than when I’d speed-read it, as I’d anticipated. Articles which are clearly ridiculous when speed-read don’t tend to improve on a slower reading, and this was no exception.

So many comments left in this comments stream are eye-wateringly ignorant – the one on FGM/MGM particularly so – and based on little or no understanding of feminism and its history, that I’ve declined to spend hours refuting it. I refutes a lot of feminist nonsense in my book Feminism: The Ugly Truth.

In our political party’s 2015 general election manifesto (link below) we explored 20 areas where the human rights of British men and/or boys today are assaulted by the state’s actions and/or inactions today, almost invariably to privilege women and/or girls. If you’re prepared to engage with rational arguments, check it out, and let me know if you find any factual errors in it (nobody has in over two years):

From what I understand from American and Canadian MRAs, the situation is little different in North America. Women are demonstrably a deeply privileged class in the developed world, yet believe themselves to be oppressed. Which brings us back to feminists being whiny Entitlement Princesses.

Mike Buchanan says:
May 6, 2017 at 9:06 pm
“shallowthought64, do you seriously not understand yet that I and others criticizing this article laugh at your employment of shaming tactics in an effort to silence us?”

Frankly my Dear, I don’t GIVE a damn what you think, do, feel or want. You are an embarrassment to REAL men, an irrelevance to REAL women and a total waste of space, food and energy to the Planet.

Your blow-hard insults are chaff in the wind, the dying gasps of a life-form that has not yet realised how inconsequential it is and how short it’s term will be. You contribute nothing to the sum of human activity or knowledge, you generate hot-air and meaningless attacks that have all the power of a quadriplegic on life-support.

So go on with your fantasies of male-dominance, keep wasting YOUR time on a war already lost and the rest of us can get on with trying to save what is left of decency, humanity, respect and maybe even Life on this planet.

Trumpism is a global disease that MUST be eradicated if the Human Race is to have any chance of survival. You and those other teenage minded children have been infected and the Grown Ups will have to work hard to repair the damage you have done and continue to do.It’s a tough job, but SOMEONE has to do it. You are not capable..

You really don’t get it, do you? That “Real Man” nonsense? Mike doesn’t care. I don’t care. More and more of us, straight guys, gay guys, white guys, black guys, asian guys do not care about your societally approved roles for men expecting us to sit there and eat this sort of crap quietly. So stick your ‘Real Man’ nonsense. Or stick with it, and be used and used up by a society that views you as just another disposable widget. You won’t even get a large turnout at your funeral for your sacrifice, much less a statue “Here lies a Real Man”. If you’re remembered at all, it will be as that *sshole who was inconsiderate enough to die and stop providing resources for women. Go for it, it’s all yours.

Thanks so much for this well thought out, well written article Gretchyn.
I read the “man babies” response and must admit to feeling nauseated by them.
And especially to Mike. There is a very obvious reason women don’t like you Mike or find you at all attractive. You are a very ugly human being. Especially when you let your personality show.
I can’t imagine that you have ANY actual female friends and would feel very sorry for any woman who might think so little of herself to actually sleep with you.
You are the walking and unfortunately talking embodiment of what a three year old boy looks like in an adult body.

You can enjoy sleeping with the feminist bigots on this blog. The problem for you is that even feminists love to loath male-feminist lap dogs because no balls. But of course, no man in his right mind will feel the least bit sorry for you because you are so disgusting as a mangina.

anti-feminist
You can enjoy sleeping with yourself and the other misogynists on this page because that’s all you are ever likely to get. The problem for you is that the little boys that never grew up don’t know how to behave with a real WOMAN and premature ejaculation is SO unattractive and costly in laundry bills.

But of course, no REAL man in his right mind will feel the least bit sorry for you because you are so disgusting, adolescent, spotty and generally useless that even the gay community would reject you as sub-standard,

shallowthought64, do you seriously not understand yet that I and others criticizing this article laugh at your employment of shaming tactics in an effort to silence us? The tide has turned on the effectiveness of that tactic, and manginas such as you are on the wrong side of history. The community of people who understand that feminists seek not gender equality but ever more privileging of women and girls at the expense of men and boys, is rapidly increasing.

The Marxist philosopher Ernest Belford Bax understood the true nature of feminism and was writing about it in at least the 1890s. Herewith a link to a free downloadable copy of his 1913 classic, ‘The Fraud of Feminism’:

The female typist who wrote this is very unattractive. She looks very old too. Daddy wasn’t there, which is why she is so bitter. Also, predictably, she doesn’t get approached, which explains why she spent all day bashing out this masterpiece while her cats congregated around her chair, licking her period blood dripping onto the floor.

And there you go folks. A perfect example (if such were necessary) of the male’s attitude towards a woman. Criticise her looks, age and make lewd and offensive remarks about the very aspects of her that gave him life. THIS is what little boys and weak-spirited men have always done. Women have the sole responsibility for bringing life into the world whereas men can only destroy it.This is the crux of their fear and sense of inadequacy, which, being men, they can only address by demeaning and belittling the source of their inferiority complex.

The male Logic, “I cannot be as good as a woman, I cannot give life as a woman can, I cannot nurture the young and provide safety and security of a loving home like a woman can so I will objectify her, punish her, own her and force her to bend to my will. I will deny her talents, ridicule her aspirations and curtail her rights as a human being. THEN I can pretend I am strong and Master of The Universe and I won’t have to be scared anymore.”

And as Anonymous demonstrates so clearly they hide behind a false façade, a fake persona with not even the courage to adopt a name that reveals their true nature.

So…. you don’t like the “All men are X” argument. Yeah, I agree. But then you say “Feminism is…” with the same sort of approach. You can’t have it both ways. Of course not all men are like that one anonymous person. But not all feminists think that they are. If you’re going to complain that “feminists think all men are one thing” then you’re doing the exact same thing you’re complaining about. No they don’t. Feminism is a wide variety of things, and there are many different movements and approaches within feminism. If you get reductive, you are as bad as the problem you hate. Most feminists I know (see, I said “most!”) are about equality between the sexes, and are concerned about men’s problems, too. Misandrists are just the loud extreme voices, but not at all the majority of the movement, in my opinion. It’s completely logically absurd to say “feminism is x” and then complain about people saying “men are x.” Both are false.

I won’t defend Anonymous’ comment because it is indefensible as are many of the comments here, but your insistence that Anonymous’ comment represents male Logic, ignores yet again, that this is not the case. Generalizations such as yours are evidence of a weak argument or an inability to go deeper. It’s easy to say all men are horrible and that when one man says a stupid thing to say “See! I knew what I was talking about.” It’s much harder to deal with the reality that we are all different. Which is why gender, race, religion, ethnicity, are not what matters. The one thing that ties us together is that we hare humans and should all be treated with dignity and respect. Your continued arguments here eliminate half of the population — men — from any right to that.

Well said. So much so I don’t even want to address the troll comments as it really helps make the point to let what they’re spewing hang there for all to see. I started to get upset, then slightly sympathetic, then LOL when I saw how they kept desperately repeacting themselves, on YOUR blog. 🙂

You ladies should love us MGTOW. We don’t care what you wear or what you look like. We do not objectify you. We don’t stand in the way of your career. We don’t hassle you in public or wolf whistle at you. Feminists have taught us a great deal and we practice what we have been taught.

We treat you exactly as we would another man. We expect another man to open his own doors, change his own flat tire, etc. We expect another man to successfully navigate this world depending upon himself, just as we do. We will extend common courtesy to a man who shows us common courtesy, but we will not allow him to use us. MGTOW believe 1,000% in equality of the genders.

Perhaps the greatest lesson third wave feminism has taught us is the gift of indifference. MGTOW practice the same indifference towards the needs of women as women practice towards men. In order to do so we had to vanquish our DNA driven imperative to protect and provide for women. It is by far the most difficult struggle a man will every face.

For feminism to work men couldn’t change. For the roughly 40 years since 1970, we didn’t change. We continued to obey our DNA imperative and play the game of life according to the rules developed over thousands of years of civilization growth.

In 1994 the Violence Against Women Act became law. As with many laws, the law of unintended consequences reared its head. VAWA and its progeny have, in practice, super glued the muzzle of a loaded pistol to the temple of every man in America and given every woman in America permission, nay encouragement, to pull the trigger for any reason or no reason. VAWA may have been intended to be a shield of protection for women but it has become a sword of agression. And I submit that is it’s exact purpose.

It took 10 or 15 years for men to awaken to this new reality. They know what happened to themselves and saw first hand what was done to their fathers, brothers, uncles, and friends by their mothers, aunts, and girlfriends. Ladies, we are not as stupid as you think we are. Around 2010 we began practicing our awakening.

Any organism that finds itself in a toxic environment must obey the first law of DNA which is self-preservation. The options are adapt (if beneficial), fight, or flight. For men in 2017 adaption is any but beneficial due to the legal environment. Fight, as the MRA have proven over the last 100 years is futile at best and will get a man imprisoned or worse (props to Mike Buchanan for his efforts, but he is doomed to lose). The only viable option to this new socially toxic environment for men is flight.

But we MGTOW are not practicing flight in terms of fleeing physically. It is a withdrawal in the mind. We aren’t running away from women, we are walking away from women’s needs because for the first time in the history of our species men understand women. Women are no longer a mystery, they are an easily understood algorithm and we don’t like what the algorithm proves to be fact. Third wave feminism has allowed women to practice their true natures with abandon and impunity and we men have taken notice.

This post is already too long. As we MGTOW favor total gender equality the same way feminist do, logic tells me that you should pen an article extolling the vitues of MGTOW and how it is terrific for women everywhere. I look forward to the article. Cheers.

And therein you have all the evidence needed for the mounting suicide rate, the acid attacks and burning alive of women all over the world, the dumbing down of politics, public discourse and the rise of the Fake News Media and the election of violent and fascistic politicians on every continent, the destruction of the environment, the poisoning of our water supplies and acidification of our oceans.

it is you and those like you who will drag this species over the abyss and into oblivion and frankly I hope you get it over with soon, because the Universe has no need of you and you have nothing to give.