The New State Solution

Posted on Nov 16, 2009

The collapse of the Palestinian Authority, the result of Israel’s 42-year refusal to implement a two-state solution, leaves the Palestinians no option but to unilaterally declare an independent state. Israel acted unilaterally when it announced independence in 1948. It is the Palestinians’ turn. It worked in Kosovo. It worked in Georgia. And it will work in Palestine. There are 192 member states in the United Nations and as many as 150 would recognize the state of Palestine, creating a diplomatic nightmare for Israel and its lonely ally the United States. Israel will face worldwide censure if it attempts to crush the independent state by force and very likely be subjected to the kind of divestment campaigns and boycotts that brought down the apartheid government of South Africa.

The two-state solution, long held up as the way out of the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians, flickered and died with Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin. No Israeli leader since, including Ehud Barack, has shown any interest in its implementation. Israeli governments have instead cynically used the promise of negotiations as a cover to steadily expand settlements, evict Palestinians from their homes, carry out egregious acts of violence and repression against Palestinians and steal huge swathes of the West Bank, including most of the aquifers.

The death of the two-state solution is not news to those of us who have spent years in the Middle East. What is news is the public acknowledgement by the Palestinian leadership. Mahmoud Abbas, the compliant and discredited president of the Palestinian Authority, who has announced he will not run for another term, has uncharacteristically blasted Israel for deceiving the Palestinians. The chief Palestinian negotiator, Saeb Erekat, who says that the effort to negotiate a solution to the conflict with Israel is dead, has called on Palestinians to declare statehood.

The disarray within the Palestinian Authority has led to the cancellation of the Palestinian elections in January, although the elections were already in jeopardy. The militant group Hamas, which took over Gaza in 2007 after thwarting a coup attempt led by Abbas’ Fatah party, said it would not allow the 1.5 million Palestinians in Gaza to vote.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who is counting on the Obama administration to thwart a declaration of Palestinian independence, will have difficulty finding a Palestinian stooge as complaint as Abbas. Abbas’ time in office has been marked by repeated and humiliating concessions to Israel, including deferring, at Israel’s request, the vote at the United Nations on the Goldstone report, which documented human rights abuses during Israel’s offensive in Gaza last December and January. Israel has shown its appreciation by ignoring Abbas’ protests for a halt on settlements and dismissing his calls for negotiations. It is hard to imagine any Palestinian leader, at least one with a shred of credibility, agreeing to take Abbas’ place. The only alternative left to most Palestinians, unless an independent state is declared, will be endless war and an embrace of Islamic extremism.

Advertisement

Square, Site wide

A declaration of independence, based on the 1967 demarcation lines between Israel and Palestinian territory, should cover East Jerusalem among other areas and the several hundred thousand Jewish settlers living in settlements in the West Bank. These Israeli settlers would instantly become citizens in the new country, replicating the experience of many Palestinians who suddenly found themselves counted as Israelis in 1948.

“When he declares independence, Abbas should call upon the Jews living in the state of Palestine to preserve the peace and to do their part in building up the new country as full and equal citizens, enjoying fair representation in all of its institutions,” Yossi Sarid, who supports the independence movement, wrote in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz. “David Ben-Gurion would not have been upset by such a pretty act of plagiarism from his Declaration of Independence.”

The Israelis have orchestrated acute misery and poverty in the Palestinian territories over the past two decades in an effort to subdue and ethnically cleanse the captive population. They have reduced Palestinians, many of whom now live on less than $2 a day, to a subsistence level. They have created squalid, lawless and impoverished ghettos in the West Bank and Gaza. Israeli soldiers, who ring these ghettos, have the ability to instantly shut off food, medicine and goods to perpetuate the misery. Israel, when the Palestinians grow restive, drops 1,000-pound iron fragmentation bombs and artillery shells—as they did a year ago in Gaza—on the concrete hovels that pack neighborhoods. The Israeli objective is to turn the Palestinian territories into a hell on earth. This policy has, however, swollen the ranks of radical Islamists in the occupied territories and throughout the Middle East.

The refusal by the Obama administration and nearly every member of the U.S. Congress to defend the rule of law and basic human rights for the Palestinians exposes our hypocrisy. It also perpetuates the absurd pretence that it is Israel, not the Palestinians, whose security and dignity are being threatened. The F-16 jet fighters, the Apache attack helicopters, the 250-pound “smart” GBU-39 bombs used on Palestinian civilians are part of the annual $2.4 billion in military aid the United States gives to Israel. Palestinians are slaughtered with American-made weapons provided to Israel with taxpayer dollars. Israel, an international pariah, would be unable to carry out these atrocities without our financial and moral support. Mix this toxic brew with the illegal wars we wage in Iraq and Afghanistan and the United States becomes a satanic force in the eyes of many Muslims.

“B’Tselem, Breaking the Silence, the Public Committee Against Torture in Israel, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, Haaretz and the international media - to Israelis, these have all fallen into the trash bin of the mendacious Palestinians. In the best case, they have become trapped in their own pure-hearted naivete, and in the worst, into collaborating with efforts to besmirch Israel and bolster prejudices against it. Like the Serbs of yore, we Israelis continue thinking it’s the world that is wrong, and only we who are right.

Israel struck a civilian population that remains under its control, it didn’t fulfill its obligation to distinguish between civilians and militants and used military force disproportionate with the tangible threat to its own civilians. Air Force drones and helicopters fired deadly missiles at civilians, many of them children; the Tank Corps and Navy shelled civilian neighborhoods with weapons not designed for precision strikes; soldiers received orders to fire on rescue crews; others fired on civilians carrying white flags; and others killed people in or near their homes. Troops used Gazans as human shields, soldiers detained civilians in abusive conditions, the army used white phosphorus shells in dense civilian areas and, on the eve of withdrawing, destroyed wide residential, industrial and agricultural areas.

There is only one thing worse than denial - the admission that the IDF indeed acted as has been described, but that these actions are both normal and appropriate.”
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I didn’t mean to be condescending in any way ,if the “calm down” part offended you ,then I apologize for any hard feelings.The opening phrase was originally intended to be jovial in a sense ,but you interpreted it in a different manner.I realize that you are not a"link” person and neither am I and also it would be to easy to saturate the site with such means. Most posters are not as opinionated as you are

Cheers
************************************************

Actually, most of them are FAR more opinionated than I am. I alter my opinion based on facts—when the facts change. For example, when the fact was revealed the Al Qaeda was no longer in Afghanistan I completed changed my position and call for withdrawal. But when facts don’t change, my opinion, formulated from those facts, doesn’t change.

The reason YOU don’t see them as “opinionated” is that their opinions are pretty close to yours. Yeah, I like people who agree with me, too.

“December 03, 2009 “Antiwar”—The recent sting operation against former NASA scientist Stewart Nozette involved an undercover FBI employee posing as Mossad agent. Meeting in the posh Mayflower hotel in Washington, the agent set up clandestine payments in exchange for highly classified information. Nozette began delivering requested classified national defense information believing it to be destined for Israel while confidentially assuring the FBI agent that he thought he was already spying for Israel. This allegedly occurred under Nozette’s prior “consulting” contract with Israel Aerospace Industries, a major military contractor. Although the US has traditionally ignored, forgiven, or quashed investigations into Israeli espionage, the cost to America’s national security and economy may now have pushed law enforcement agencies toward a tipping point. Ironically, this very week, the Israel lobby is celebrating in New York the biggest clandestine operation ever conducted against US industries and workers.”

************

Click on link to read the rest of the details that we in the US don’t hear that much about it…out there. The Zionist controlled MSM have a tight grip/control over information to help shield Apartheid Israel. This kind of information is starting to reach people who don’t rely on CNN, FOX NEWS…etc…!

I didn’t mean to be condescending in any way ,if the “calm down” part offended you ,then I apologize for any hard feelings.The opening phrase was originally intended to be jovial in a sense ,but you interpreted it in a different manner.I realize that you are not a"link” person and neither am I and also it would be to easy to saturate the site with such means. Most posters are not as opinionated as you are

Robert collects views that match his own prejudices. Period, end of sentence. He is not disinterested, fair-minded or willing to consider any POV but his own. He is totally unable to engage in actual discourse, resorting solely to name-calling and insults when forced to use his own words.

If you think he’s some kind of heroic figure or something else positive, well, you are entitled to your opinion, no matter how ill-founded it is.

“The United Nations, the United States and the European Union have all called on Israel to stop the illegal eviction of Palestinians and the demolition of their homes.”

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Click on link to watch this short video (11/3/2009) and take a look at Israel’s IDF, police & zionist fanatics. Watch how Israeli law/court rules against a Palestinian family in East Jerusalem by evicting them from their home, but allows Jewish occupants to move in.

Calm down Inherit don’t get wrapped around the axle ,you are aware as countless others are that -whatever initiative was in the works always lead to failure - and a return to ground zero so to speak ,which is a return to the same old story. I understand your point of view with regards to Robert ,but Robert is collecting points of views ;many of which are Jewish and or from an Israeli background and reposting them here on Truthdig; of which I may add that many inquisitive persons will not find in the ignoble MSM outlets ,having several points of view is essential in comprenending what the hell is going on .The corporate aspects in the negotiations that have held the Palestinians hostage for so long is still for the most part unresolved along with the ideal of a new Middle East -one that is compatible to Western Societies,whether this is achievable and or practical without moral applications involved is highly unlikely ,but then again let your own heart decide your stance and not someone else’s.

“I know how much you dislike posting complete quotations from other sources, so here are just a few snippets regarding Robert’s sources.”

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

JDmysticDJ...It looks like you have taken it upon yourself and have done some research on the sources that I posted and/or provided on TD . May I suggest that you should not be puzzled at all regarding the above. You will find that a lot of what I post is authored by Jewish intellectuals, journalists, reporters…etc… who are on the side of basic human rights, fairness, equality, humanity, justice, international law, UN Resolutions & peace for the Palestinian/Israeli conflict.

The goal of those who support and defend Israel’s harsh policies against the Palestinian people is to attempt to silence criticism regardless of who the sources are. These attempts come in many forms; such as, personal attacks, smear/discredit campaigns, use of anti-Semitic and many others. Many of these pale tactics have been used against me on many occasions On TD.

As you can see here, the attempt(s) is to smear me & cast doubts on the sources that I use. One can see the diversion/sidetracking attempts clearly. In other words, to try and sway readers from reading critical & factual information concerning Israel’s Zionist harsh treatment/policies against the Palestinian people. Most of this information/articles that I post cannot be found on CNN, FOX NEWS and the rest of them.

I have on many occasions stated and requested from several of Israel’s policy supporters…to NOT read what I post on TD. And they have stated that they do not read them.

So, if one wants to read what I post and elects to do his/her own research regarding the facts and sources that I provided, that is fine by all means. If one chooses NOT to read what I post, then that is fine too.

I am for finding & posting the TRUTH.

BTW, thanks for the research that you have provided regarding some of the sources that I used.

I know how much you dislike posting complete quotations from other sources, so here are just a few snippets regarding Robert’s sources.

“Seth Freedman is a writer living in Jerusalem. He grew up in Hampstead Garden Suburb and worked as a stockbroker in the City for six years, before moving to Israel. He served for fifteen months in a combat unit of the IDF, between 2004 and 2006, and has worked as a writer ever since.”

“Norman Gary Finkelstein (born December 8, 1953) is an American political scientist and author, whose primary fields of research are the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the politics of the Holocaust. A graduate of SUNY Binghamton, he received his Ph.D in Political Science from Princeton University. He has held faculty positions at Brooklyn College, Rutgers University, Hunter College, New York University, and, most recently, DePaul University, where he was an assistant professor from 2001 to 2007.”

Norman’s father, Zacharias Finkelstein, was a survivor of both the Warsaw Ghetto and the Auschwitz concentration camp.[5]

Alan Hart is an Author and former Television Journalist. The following is a quotation from Alan Hart
“The souvenirs I most treasure from my television reporting days are signed photographs of the two greatest opposites in all of human history – Golda Meir, Mother Israel, and Yasser Arafat, Father Palestine. Arafat signed with his “best wishes”. Golda’s inscription in her own hand was to Alan Hart, “a good friend.”

Jim Holstun is a professor at the University of Buffalo.

I would suggest that an analysis of the opinions of these sources is worth while.

“Last Sunday in San Francisco, the Anti-Defamation League sponsored “Finding Our Voice,” a conference designed to help Jews recognize and confront the “new anti-Semitism.” For me, it was ironic. Ten days before, my own voice was silenced by fellow Jews.
I was to give a talk about our Middle East policy to high school students at the Harker School in San Jose. With one day to go, my contact there called to say my appearance had been canceled. He was apologetic and upset. He expected the talk would be intellectually stimulating and intriguing for students. But, he said, “a certain community of parents” complained to the headmaster. He added, without divulging details, that the Jewish Community Relations Council of Silicon Valley had played a role.

[Editor’s note: Diane Fisher, executive director of the Jewish Community Relations Council of Silicon Valley, says that although she left a message for the school principal, she never actually spoke to him, and any suggestion that the council was responsible for the cancellation of Beinin’s appearance at the school is inaccurate and an “unlikely inflation of JCRC’s influence.”]

I was raised a Zionist. I went to Israel after high school for six months to live on a kibbutz. I met my wife there. We returned four years later thinking we’d spend our lives on a kibbutz, working the land and living the Zionist dream. Why did the council feel the need to silence me?

In fact, this was not our first run-in. I have long advocated equal rights for the Palestinians, as I do for all people. I criticize Israeli policies. I seem to have crossed the council’s line of acceptable discourse. Because I am a Jew, it is not so easy to smear me as guilty of this “new anti-Semitism.” Instead, hosts like the Harker School, and others, are intimidated, and open dialogue on Israel is censored.”

By all means, let us not site other sources of information regarding this debate. Let’s keep the debate limited to our own opinions and prejudices.
******************************************************

Heh, heh! I guess you don’t know Robert. If he just posts the links, that’s all he’s got to say—and he LOVES to clog a thread and shut it down if it isn’t going the way he likes. He’ll post 3, 4, 5 endless articles, always written by someone else, always OPINION that he seems to think is fact, when if he just posted the link, YOU could read them for yourself.

If he EVER says anything on his own it’s to call me a lot of names and make lots of spurious accusations about my intentions and character.

Why do you purposely misread him, JDmysticDJ? He said no such thing. I too would rather see links and snippets—-not the entire article reprinted here. Can’t you see that or is it something else that motivates you on this?

The Jerusalem light railway is set to link to illegal settlements such as French Hill.

Palestinians need help stopping it

Seth Freedman

November 27, 2009

“The architects of Israel’s occupation of the West Bank are highly skilled at the art of needlework, deftly stitching up land inside Israel proper and disputed territory over the Green Line as though it was the most natural thing in the world. According to their logic, it should be possible to seamlessly suture together the two parts without raising eyebrows either at home or abroad, regardless of the contravention of both international law and basic morality that such actions entail.

All that is required is a healthy dose of chutzpah, combined with a drip-drip effect in which a steady stream of expropriating activities are undertaken at a slow but relentless pace, in the hope that insufficient feathers are ruffled to put a halt to the overarching campaign of annexation.

The Jerusalem light railway is a case in point: in isolation, few Israelis would be too perturbed by the idea of providing a rail link between the city centre and outlying towns and suburbs on the periphery of the capital. However, in doing so, the authorities are simultaneously declaring their view that settlements such as French Hill and Pisgat Ze’ev are integral parts of Jerusalem and banging yet another nail into the coffin of a viable Palestinian state.

Under the guise of a desire to ease traffic congestion on Jerusalem’s streets, the project bears all the hallmarks of previous efforts to stake a permanent and intractable claim to areas that once might have been considered as appropriate territory to concede as part of a permanent settlement with the Palestinians. As the Alternative Information Centre notes, “by providing direct access to [these locations], the main illegal settlements will finally be linked with the centre and western part of the City. The adverse effects of this will serve to diminish any chance of East Jerusalem becoming the future capital of a Palestinian state under a two-state solution”.”

Next time Robert post a link and a small snippet of it not the whole thing. Also you aren’t anyone till you actually write something okay? Do you get it? We won’t read your shit because it isn’t yours.
************************************************

The only original thing he posts is vicious name-calling attacks on anyone who challenges his endless quoting of others’ work. Also, he almost always waits until the thread moves off the first page before he starts clogging the thread with his re-cycled propaganda.

Funny thing, N-G: I think you and I disagree on a lot, but not on this. POST YOUR OWN IDEAS, ROBERT! (if you ever have any)

“Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu described his offer to temporarily restrict construction of all-new Jewish settlements on the West Bank excluding Arab East Jerusalem as a “far-reaching and painful step”, which was part of a policy he hoped would give a new impetus to peace talks.

Netanyahu is not stupid. He knows that some of us know he is not remotely interested in peace on terms the Palestinians could accept. So what then is his real game plan of the moment? Simple. He is seeking to make peace with the Obama administration. And its response suggests that with the help of the Zionist lobby and its stooges in Congress he’s got that matter firmly under control.

On 18 November President Obama himself expressed his dismay at Israel’s decision to approve 900 more housing units in East Jerusalem. He said it could lead to a “dangerous situation” because it made it harder for Israel to make peace in the region and “embitters the Palestinians.”

Eight days later the Obama administration says Netanyahu’s new offer, which stresses that there will be no restrictions, not even temporary ones, on new settlement development in East Jerusalem, will help “move forward” peace efforts.

What nonsense. It seems to me that the Obama administration doesn’t know whether it’s coming or going on the matter of how to deal with Netanyahu.

The response of senior Palestinian legislator Mustafa Barghouti was much more in tune with reality. “What Netanyahu announced today is one of his biggest attempts at deception in his history.”

It is, of course, a deception but nobody should be surprised. Not only has deception always been the name of Zionism’s game, it knows no other.

Its very first mission statement way back in 1897 was a deception. The previous year Zionism’s founding father, Theodore Herzl, had written and published Der Judenstaat, The Jewish State. It opened with these words: “The Jews who will it shall have a state of their own.” But as all of Zionism’s founding fathers gathered for their first Congress at Basel in Switzerland, Herzl was among the first to appreciate the need to drop the word state from all public policy pronouncements.

Thus it was that the first Congress of the World Zionist Organisation ended with a public statement that declared Zionism’s mission to be the striving “to create for the Jewish people a home in Palestine secured by public law.””

Next time Robert post a link and a small snippet of it not the whole thing. Also you aren’t anyone till you actually write something okay? Do you get it? We won’t read your shit because it isn’t yours.

“With rabbinical sanctions to kill every man, woman and child in Israel that is ‘not of the faith’, it’s no wonder that there are idiots that follow them.

Below is a report about just one, but unfortunately one of many…..

“We will have to kill them all”: Effie Eitam, thug messiah
Jim Holstun and Irene Morrison

Efraim Eitam
Colonel Efraim (Fein) Eitam was only following orders when he told his troops to beat Ayyad Aqel in 1988. They beat him to death.

Eitam, who since then has held several senior posts in the Israeli government, has recently toured the US as Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s “Special Emissary” to the “Caravan for Democracy” program of the Jewish National Fund (JNF). This is a marriage made in heaven. Since Israel was founded, the JNF has organized the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and the settlement of Jews on their expropriated land; Eitam sees himself as the messianic soldier-prophet directing future expulsions of Palestinians from Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories. Hillel of Buffalo, New York, invited Eitam to speak at our campus, the University at Buffalo (UB), on the recommendation of UB Professor Ernest Sternberg, a board member of Scholars for Peace in the Middle East and a founder of its local campus chapter.”

“Adam Shapiro tells the story of a hitherto principled friend and campaigner for justice and human rights, Tom Perriello, who ran for Congress and, once elected, betrayed all of his principles and became a mere tool of the pro-apartheid American-Israel Public Affairs Committee, AIPAC.

”...the consistent lack of US credibility in the world spans Democrats and Republicans and is a consequence of our relationship with Israel and the exceptionalism applied to an occupier nation foisting apartheid on the Palestinians.”

November 24, 2009 “Redress”— One year ago, I watched election results coming in for Virginia’s Fifth Congressional District, where my friend and colleague Tom Perriello was challenging incumbent Virgil Goode, Jr. CNN kept flipping the winner because the vote was close. Finally, Tom emerged with a 727-vote victory. I was elated, because I knew Tom and knew his deeply rooted principles. And daring to accept that there might be something to this overall atmosphere of change and hope espoused by the president-elect, I felt encouraged by the seemingly new direction and new leaders the country was embracing.

Two years earlier, I met Tom in Afghanistan when he arrived as a consultant with the United Nations to explore transitional justice possibilities for the country. I was already working for a human rights organization, promoting rule of law, women’s rights and transitional justice. Tom had done similar work in Liberia helping launch a truth and reconciliation commission.

We quickly saw eye to eye on the work and became friends over discussions about the role of law in achieving justice in extremely difficult conflict and post-conflict circumstances. I took Tom hiking in the hills overlooking Kabul and we strategized on how to strengthen the justice sector in Afghanistan. Of course, my work on Palestine came up and Tom usually brought the discussion to the role of international law and the need for accountability on all sides – considerations that clearly help protect civilians, particularly Palestinians living under occupation.

A year later, back in the US, Tom invited me to join a group of dynamic young social entrepreneurs for a strategy/brainstorming meeting that led to the creation of Avaaz – a kind of MoveOn.org [[http://moveon.org/]] for the international community to organize for human rights, the environment and other progressive causes. One of the first campaigns launched by Avaaz was to call for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza in January 2009 and for a robust international response to assure the lasting cessation of violence.

Shortly after that founding meeting of Avaaz, I received an email from Tom explaining that he was going to run for Congress in a long-shot attempt to unseat a conservative Republican. It was a surprise, but Tom was insistent he was going to retain his principles and values if he won. He was excited about the prospect of making real change if Obama became president. I shed my typical cynicism and encouraged friends to contribute to his campaign.”

11/24/09 “Information Clearing House”—South Africa deported an Israeli airline official last week following allegations that Israel’s secret police, the Shin Bet, had infiltrated Johannesburg international airport in an effort to gather information on South African citizens, particularly black and Muslim travelers.

The move by the South African government followed an investigation by local TV showing an undercover reporter being illegally interrogated by an official with El Al, Israel’s national carrier, in a public area of Johannesburg’s OR Tambo airport.

The programme also featured testimony from Jonathan Garb, a former El Al guard, who claimed that the airline company had been a front for the Shin Bet in South Africa for many years.

Of the footage of the undercover reporter’s questioning, he commented: “Here is a secret service operating above the law in South Africa. We pull the wool over everyone’s eyes. We do exactly what we want. The local authorities do not know what we are doing.”

The Israeli foreign ministry is reported to have sent a team to South Africa to try to defuse the diplomatic crisis after the government in Johannesburg threatened to deport all of El Al’s security staff.

Mr Garb’s accusations have been supported by an investigation by the regulator for South Africa’s private security industries.

They have also been confirmed by human rights groups in Israel, which report that Israeli security staff are carrying out racial profiling at many airports around the world, apparently out of sight of local authorities.

Concern in South Africa about the activities of El Al staff has been growing since August, when South Africa’s leading investigative news show, Carte Blanche, went undercover to test Mr Garb’s allegations.

A hidden camera captured an El Al official in the departure hall claiming to be from “airport security” and demanding that the undercover reporter hand over his passport or ID as part of “airport regulations”. When the reporter protested that he was not flying but waiting for a friend, El Al’s security manager, identified as Golan Rice, arrived to interrogate him further. Mr Rice then warned him that he was in a restricted area and must leave.

Mr Garb commented on the show: “What we are trained is to look for the immediate threat – the Muslim guy. You can think he is a suicide bomber, he is collecting information. The crazy thing is that we are profiling people racially, ethnically and even on religious grounds … This is what we do.”

Mr Garb and two other fired workers have told the South African media that Shin Bet agents routinely detain Muslim and black passengers, a claim that has ignited controversy in a society still suffering with the legacy of decades of apartheid rule.

Suspect individuals, the former workers say, are held in an annex room, where they are interrogated, often on matters unrelated to airport security, and can be subjected to strip searches while their luggage is taken apart. Clandestine searches of their belongings and laptops are also carried out to identify useful documents and information.

All of this is done in violation of South African law, which authorises only the police, armed forces or personnel appointed by the transport minister to carry out searches.

The former staff also accuse El Al of smuggling weapons – licensed to the local Israeli embassy – into the airport for use by the secret agents.

Mr Garb went public after he was dismissed over a campaign he led for better pay and medical benefits for El Al staff.”

Again you are reverting to one of your classical tricks which is putting words in people mouthes that they didn’t say and then clobbering them for it.
Whether two states or one state that is for the Israelis and Palestinians to decide.
What I want that all parties Israelis, and Palestinians to live in peace, dignity and justice free from fear, oppression and deprivation with equal rights for all and hopeful optimistic look toward the future for themselves and their children. OVER AND OUT. REALLY.!!
**************************************************

That’s news to me! If THAT were true, you and I would never have had a disagreement—I must have posted those EXACT SENTIMENTS at least 50 times on TD, and been disparaged and belittled by YOU and others for it. I’ve called for 3 separate democratic states: Israel, Lebanon and Palestine and for them to form an entity similar to the old European Economic Community (the “Common Market”) that allowed the current EU to develop.

But you’ve never expressed that sentiment before that I know of (if you did, I missed it). You’ve only advocated these things for Palestinians, not Israelis as well. Me? I’ve ALWAYS wanted them for both.

Again, had you ever expressed that idea before you and I would be on the same side of the argument.

Right now the Palestinians have little say in what the Israelis do and backed by their super power patron the USA. So until they have parity it will not happen. Benny and company are by attrition punctuated by extreme violence making sure that the Palestinians are slowly dying or moving out at conditions remain awful in that giant death camp called Gaza. The Palestinians have no equivalent for Israel. It is a process using negative euthenics to make life bad and therefor force the Palestinians away or die.

Insidious in its use, evil in its intent and masterful in how long it is being used—-over 40 years to get them out. But a good world war would allow them to finish the job quick while international scrutiny will be elsewhere. Then their final solution will be done and their holy lebensraum will be complete. For isn’t that the essence of Zionism but to regain the lost land awarded them by their Most High? It is just that the most murderous and militant have taken it over and use military force and guile to get what they want by any means necessary.

ITW wrote about me:
“You hate Israel’s existence and want to see it ended. Therefore any REASONABLE approach that would allow Israel to live in peace with its neighbors, you oppose just as much as Netanyahu does. Like Benny and his Likud, you are against a 2-State solution. He wants Palestine destroyed and under Israeli rule. You want Israel destroyed and under Arab rule.”
__________________________________________________

Again you are reverting to one of your classical tricks which is putting words in people mouthes that they didn’t say and then clobbering them for it.
Whether two states or one state that is for the Israelis and Palestinians to decide.
What I want that all parties Israelis, and Palestinians to live in peace, dignity and justice free from fear, oppression and deprivation with equal rights for all and hopeful optimistic look toward the future for themselves and their children. OVER AND OUT. REALLY.!!

You hate Israel’s existence and want to see it ended. Therefore any REASONABLE approach that would allow Israel to live in peace with its neighbors, you oppose just as much as Netanyahu does. Like Benny and his Likud, you are against a 2-State solution. He wants Palestine destroyed and under Israeli rule. You want Israel destroyed and under Arab rule.

The only difference between you and Netanyahu is which unreasonable side you are on that wants the other destroyed.

Inherit The Wind wrote:
“Yeah, they are really just picking pockets and parking in front of fire hydrants down in Darfur”
____________________________________________________

ITW,

Again you are reverting to sophistry and equating oranges to stones.
In the case of the region of Darfur in Sudan, oil and gas was discovered in Darfur and some elements in Darfur wanted to secede from Sudan to keep ALL oil revenues and of course the Sudanese government didn’t agree and a coflict started.
In the case of your beloved Israel, a bunch of Polish and Russian Zionists said our ancestors, two thousand years ago, left Palestine and we are going back and they came and started a murderous rampage and expelled the inhabitants of the land to a life in refugee camps and gehttos and putting them under the most humiliating, oppressive and squalid conditions and destroying their culture and heritage.
You are like the lawyer who is defending a predatory serial killer by saying my client is innocent because homocide happens.!!!! OVER AND OUT!!!

Watching “A Little Bit Fascist” Makes one fear that the fight for peace and justice can never be won, but I don’t think any rational person ever believed that fighting would be easy, or that fighting would be free from hurt. Those who disengage from the fight, hold themselves aloof, and adopt a stance of superiority are guilty of indifference or worse. Those who resort to aggression and violence in the fight for peace, become their own enemies, but those who adopt an absolutist pacifistic response to violent attack may find their reward in heaven, but they guarantee that evil and suffering will prevail on Earth.

Obviously the issue is complex. Far be it from me to claim knowledge of a solution to the problem, but I can’t help but think that enlightenment is the only solution - an earthly enlightenment.

I like to think that even those who express the views expressed in “A Little Bit Fascist” can be won over to the cause of peace and justice, and that the people who hold those views are in the minority, but sometimes the realities of a conflict seem to indicate otherwise. Those who fight the war for peace and justice only have rational thought as a weapon. Their battles involve providing epiphanies to the unenlightened. Is the task insurmountable? Yes!… if we don’t fight. Is the victory worth the struggle? Read Majida’s poem.

“November 24, 2009 “Information Clearing House”— It’s not often that stories about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict make me laugh but one by Jeremy Bowen, the BBC’s Middle East editor, did. Because he is the corporation’s correspondent supporters of Israel right or wrong most love to hate – from time to time they pressure the BBC to fire him – I imagine he enjoyed writing it.

In a vivid background report for From Our Own Correspondent, headlined Tough Lessons for Obama on Mid-East peace, Jeremy recalled some of the “false dawns” of previous presidential peace efforts.

One was a trip by President Clinton to Gaza in 1998 when Netanyahu was enjoying his first period as Israel’s prime minister. “Yes”, Jeremy added, “an American president in Gaza. It is not conceivable these days.”

After noting that Netanyahu drove Clinton mad, Jeremy went on:

After he (Netanyahu) had lectured the president about the Middle East, Mr. Clinton famously asked his aides: “Who the (bleep) does he think he is? Who’s the bleeping superpower here?” Only he did not say bleep.

What President Clinton actually said was, “Who the fuck does he think he is? Who’s the fucking superpower here?”

After recalling in his own way how President Obama has been humiliated to date by Netanyahu in his second period as prime minister, Jeremy commented that he, Obama, “might be using Bill Clintonesque language about Mr. Netanyahu.”

My own speculation is that Obama behind closed doors might even be outdoing Clinton in his use of expletives about Netanyahu.

But really there’s no cause for laughter. Tears of rage are more appropriate.

The documented truth, which flows through my book Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews, is that every occupant of the Oval Office has at one point or another, and as President Ford once put it, been made “as mad as hell” by Israeli prime ministers. So the use of presidential expletives to describe them and Zionist lobby leaders at moments of great tension probably has a history going all the way back to Israel’s unilateral declaration of independence.

Even before that there were moments when President Truman could not contain his anger at the tactics Zionists were employing to bend him and the United Nations to their will. At one cabinet meeting Truman blurted out, “Jesus Christ couldn’t please them when he was here, so how could anyone expect that I would have any luck.”

In Memoirs published long after the events, Truman was very frank about Zionist coercion in the countdown to the General Assembly vote on the partition plan resolution. He wrote:

The facts were that not only were there pressure movements around the United Nations unlike anything that had been seen there before, but the White House too was subjected to a constant barrage. I do not think I ever had as much pressure and propaganda aimed at the White House as I had in this instance. The persistence of a few of the extreme Zionist leaders – actuated by political motives and engaging in political threats – disturbed and annoyed me. Some were even suggesting that we pressure sovereign nations into favourable votes in the General Assembly. I have never approved of the strong imposing their will on the weak whether among men or nations.

As it happened, the campaign of threats to cause a number of sovereign nations to turn their intended “No” to partition votes into “Yes” votes or to abstain was executed by the Zionist lobby with the assistance of a hit-squad of 26 U.S. senators.”

As usual, you are twisting and bending and distorting facts to fit your own preconceived positions.

After all, like most of “The Contingent”, you “know” the truth—you just have to get the facts to bend to it! (Yeah, they are really just picking pockets and parking in front of fire hydrants down in Darfur, aren’t they? Trying to recapture your “dumbest poster” crown?)

We are discussing here the crimes of Israel expelling a whole people from their country to refugee camps or urban ghetos and putting them under the most humiliating, oppressive and squalid conditions and destroying their culture and heritage.
Nobody is perfect, but comparing the defects in the Arab sates to Israel crimes is like comparing misdemeanors to capital offense murder felonies.!!
You have done it again ITW, throwing false accusations and sophistry to advance your point of view and this is again is dishonest.

ITW wrote:
“Most of the nations in the region are Muslim-dominated and treat non-Muslims as 2nd or 3rd class citizens—if they even grant them citizenship. “
_____________________________________________________

That is not true.
Although there might be some but not much discrimination in reaching very high positions in government, army and security forces, the Christians have full rights and citizenship and many are successful and wealthy business people.
Nobody killed their loved ones and took their lands and houses and drove them to refugee camps for a life of despair and hopelessness with their necks under heels all the time as your zionist friends did and doing to the Palistinian people.!!
*************************************************

Yeah, if the Arab league told you it was sunny out, you’d deny the rain falling on your head.

Tell me again how Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Yemen, Sudan and Libya have “equal rights” for Christians, Jews and other non-Muslims. In Egypt it is STILL a death-penalty crime to convert from Islam to another religion—and if the courts don’t kill you, the society will make it IMPOSSIBLE to stay in the country.

Get your head out of the sand (or someplace else), wake up and face reality. Intolerance among the Arabs is just as prevalent as among the ultra-orthodox Jews. Anything else is just lying to yourself.

ITW wrote:
“Most of the nations in the region are Muslim-dominated and treat non-Muslims as 2nd or 3rd class citizens—if they even grant them citizenship. “
_____________________________________________________

That is not true.
Although there might be some but not much discrimination in reaching very high positions in government, army and security forces, the Christians have full rights and citizenship and many are successful and wealthy business people.
Nobody killed their loved ones and took their lands and houses and drove them to refugee camps for a life of despair and hopelessness with their necks under heels all the time as your zionist friends did and doing to the Palistinian people.!!

The thought of leaving Nahida alone in the dark is an example of nonchalance with regards to the Palestinian Predicament, although most have chosen to desist ,there remain the one’s who believe in the Ideal of a greater Israel that according to the scriptures are entitled to the Levant ,regardless of Morality ,which is objective in itself.Tao Walker brings forth the philosophy that the Planet ‘Mother Earth’ is in danger because of Homo Demisticus’s blatant disregard for the walkers of the Planet,in their quest for Gold ,and a guarantee of lineage for their offspring.He,‘so right and nothing has changed in that regard ,yet the CONdition of the planet has changed ,regardless of the awareness of the experts who at times voice -what should be heard- but claim otherwise due to monetary considerations and act accordingly.Nevertheless we all share the same Mother and any CONsiderations made for oneself will only support the demise of the gifts that are offered to all ,in the name of whomever.What we are witnessing in the Levant is a continuation of callous mentality ,dating back to the times of the scriptures,but represented in a format of lies ,that have been rewritten to suit the purposes of Greed-which money does represent-but which cannot be eaten ,for an apple remains an apple and it maintains life,whilst the other promotes chaos.

Would you like ALL Muslims in the world to be categorized as Wahabists or Al Qaeda?

The Lubovitcher Chasidic sect is a very, very tiny extreme branch of Judaism, and it has alienated even its fellow ultra-orthodox Jews (especially Chasids).

You might as accurately describe Timothy McVeigh or Jim Jones as the typical Christian.

It’s all bullshit.

It makes it difficult for me to say that I actually think the Palestinians, declaring a state AND responsibility for themselves might be a very GOOD thing, and should be supported by the US.

I may want Israel to survive, but I sure as hell don’t want Netanyahu and his Likud fascists running the place! Yes, I agree they are liars and negotiating totally in bad faith—and it’s bad for Israel as well as Palestine.

Most of the nations in the region are Muslim-dominated and treat non-Muslims as 2nd or 3rd class citizens—if they even grant them citizenship. Somehow, this is a good thing to Nahida and, of course, to Robert. To pretend they aren’t religious states is pure hypocrisy, because to you, a Jewish-dominated state is somehow a crime against humanity, but a Muslim-dominated one isn’t.

I’ll never understand that, because if there isn’t a reason for the extremists in Israel to strike fear in every Jew’s heart, then the sane ones would dominate and Non-Jews in Israel would enjoy what they deserve (again): Full citizen-ship rights.

Set Nahida’s terse invitation (to the “wordy” moralists here) to put their asses where their rhetoric is, next to JDmysticDJ’s latest rambling attempts to hide his fear and nescience in a fog of verbiage, and one gets a pretty clear picture of why there is no “intellectual” or institutional answer to the orgy of internecine bloodletting in Palestine/Israel. It’s so easy to be “agin’” things, and so instantly gratifying to say-so….but so what?

Also, there’s no need to take into account (while self-indulging thusly) the long-demonstrated utter futility of attempting to treat the “evil” erupting “there” solely in-isolation. Arbitrarily CONfine the damned excrescence to some artificial “local” jurisdiction, and enjoy temporarily the comforting illusion it is somehow “manageable” without any real “cost” to one’s own vested interests….access to oil in the region, f’r instance.

There is nothing happening anywhere in the world without immediate and discernible (to those with eyes/ears/noses/etc. to ‘sense’ them) effects everywhere in the world. Yet the “language” commonly employed by homo domesticus to “address” these things is itself so compartmentalized and fractured and self-referential it effectively prevents its users from even talking together sensibly about their shared predicament….requires them, in-fact, to attempt the special exemption of their own favorite CONstructs from criticisms they gladly (and often viciously) apply to others’.

So “foreign entanglements” of all kinds, by their very nature, can only get more and more inescapable all the time. Except here in Indian Country, where everything is seen (and in all ways sensed) to be all-of-a-piece. This lets us live alongside the virtual world-o’-hurt where our tame Sisters and Brothers are trapped, and (these days not so) slowly suffocating, without having to take-up the fools’ game of “friends and enemies.”

Even our tormentors, whatever they think they’re up-to theirownselfs, can be treated as a mere CONdition….with the Natural Medicine specific to its “presentation” in our Living Arrangement here. This may not be nearly so dramatically “satisfying” as some cosmic “struggle” between “good” and “evil,” but nobody here is ‘into’ all that make-believe bull-shit anyhow.

Besides, is there anything better anywhere anytime than being an actual “ingredient” in that Good Medicine?

People who call for equal rights for those savages, robbers, supremacists and murderers, I would say, you are welcome to take them as YOUR neighbours, you are welcome to even share your home with them, but please, do not force them upon us

As far as am concerned, they have crossed every red line, they have gone beyond the point of return, those who think that they can help them find their humanity…...... good luck to you

Radson
Not that my stance has any great significance, but because you asked.

Opposed to U.S Intervention in Iraq and Afghanistan. Opposed to Neocon objectives of hegemony and empire. Opposed to Corporatism. Opposed to Israeli Government Policies in the Middle East. Opposed to ethnocentric pseudo philosophical / religious beliefs that demonstrate arrogance and indifference.
The list goes on…...

You’ve created an interesting CONstruct: The CONstruct being, the “dualism” {sic} of commodities markets and the possession of word meanings. I would point out though that commodities are always tangible, while words are often abstract. The word “tame” for example. The word tame could have more than one meaning depending on the context, but I can see that that “word meaning” could become a commodity, if the meaning of the word was taken possession of. However, possession of word meanings can only exist in the small “fund” of someone’s mind. Some one might think that Dictionaries corner-the-market on “word meanings,” but this simply is not true, because some people refuse to accept dictionary word meanings and hoard their own word meanings in their small funds. This often leads to “speculation” when the words are offered in the marketplace of ideas. One should not “fool” with word meanings. These hoarded word meanings can become “toxic “if they lead to consternation, and are intended to indicate an esoteric intellectualism, instead of enhancing communication. I know some people put great store in word games, but I find them tedious.

You mentioned H.G.Wells and refer to him as being a “Domesticated Philosopher.” Does that mean he only philosophized around home? I think he was a little eccentric. It’s all very strange, but for some reason, he thought people needed a topographical map in order to put their lives together. I don’t think he was much of a philosopher, apparently his school of “Philosophy” consisted of a topographical map and gibberish.

I’m very impressed. You’re very skillful at manipulating your self-possessed word meanings. I know that you know what you mean, but the “downside” is I’m not sure if I know what you mean. I get the gist though. The opinions I’m receiving from you pertain to my: false postulation, false dualism [sic] , negative effects these falsehoods will have on others, my gender, you’re accusing me of causing evil to increase, and that contrary to what you believe, I think, our mom can be spiritual.

First let me get this out of the way, I hate to be the one to break the news to you, but they’re charging mom with child abuse. Some of our brothers and sisters have suffered greatly because of her anger management problems. Regarding the false dualism [sic] thing; you’re right about that. The word I should have used is Carnality. The word Carnal brings to mind a movie with Jack Nicholson and Ann Margaret. Regarding my responsibility for evil growing worse everyday, that doesn’t bode well for the future does it? I didn’t know all this existentialism stuff would cause so many problems. I’ll just butt out. As they say, “Discretion is the greater part of valor.” That’s hard to do when you’re a man though (get the hint?)

Well it’s getting late and I’m running out of ink trying to respond to you’re litany of wisdoms, but I’ll get back to you. Let me leave you with a few thoughts.

Regarding the “Christian Superhero;” According to the record, his teachings were many, and varied, and I have heard many interpretations of them. I prefer not to use them in support of my postulations; I believe doing so would be infinitely arrogant, and a personal assumption of the worst sort.

It seems pretty hard to avoid evil these days. It seems like there would be a whole lot of ducking and dodging involved. You seem to know a lot about how to deal with it, or not deal with it. I hope you’re damned sure you know what you’re against, or not against. You seem to think evil is an entity. I see evil as an action, and I believe evil actions must be combated.

I would suppose that Crazy Horse would not have found you very useful.

When remembering Washita, do you not see your self righteous pronouncements regarding evil for what they are?

“Dispatches investigates one of the most powerful and influential political lobbies in Britain, which is working in support of the interests of the State of Israel.

Despite wielding great influence among the highest realms of British politics and media, little is known about the individuals and groups which collectively are known as the pro-Israel lobby.

Political commentator Peter Oborne sets out to establish who they are, how they are funded, how they work and what influence they have, from the key groups to the wealthy individuals who help bankroll the lobbying.

He investigates how accountable, transparent and open to scrutiny the lobby is, particularly in regard to its funding and financial support of MPs.

The pro-Israel lobby aims to shape the debate about Britain’s relationship with Israel and future foreign policies relating to it.

Oborne examines how the lobby operates from within parliament and the tactics it employs behind the scenes when engaging with print and broadcast media.”

Certainly in this format, as JDmysticDJ points-out, we are stuck with “words.” What this old Savage was suggesting earlier here is that the “fund” of words available to our tame Sisters and Brothers has been systematically (like the U.S. treasury) looted by vested interests looking to “corner-the-market” on the establishment of “meaning,” which is in-effect the only real “value” of language….making meaning merely another “commodity” for the speculators to fool with.

There have in-fact been a number of well-known domesticated “philosophers” (H.G. Wells, e.g.) who’ve noticed this process, and have warned of serious CONsequences (to peoples utterly dependent upon language to negotiate daily the virtual terrain of their half-lives) when their language becomes as impoverished (“spiritually” and otherwise) as they are theirownselfs….or, as so much language has become here in these latter days, actually toxic to its hapless users.

The “problem” of “evil” can only grow worse every day, when those having to CONfront it are operating out of artificial CONceits and received opinions leaving them completely adrift in a virtual CONstruct whose “rules” are subject to the whims and designs of “individuals” who effectively exempt their own kind from the “downside” effects of their manipulations. DJmysticJD illustrates this disconnect in her/his own postulation, as argument, of the false dualism of “carnal” vs. “spiritual” in the Life of our Mother Earth and Her Children.

Among us surviving free wild Human Beings no such separation has ever been experienced, which is why we see the prevalence of that illusion among our domesticated Human Relations as a disease….one having grievous debilitating effects on them. From the Ancients we have this bit of hard-won wisdom: When evil is branded it thinks of weapons. To combat it on its own terms is to fall prey to the very thing one hopes to overcome.

So before even the most courageous set out to “resist” evil (which the christian superhero-figure admonished his followers to avoid), they’d better be damned sure they know exactly what it is they’re against. In our experience, the essence of evil is excess….not knowing when enough is enough, or knowing but ‘going there’ anyhow. We’ve also noticed the Natural consequences of excess are themselves always the perfect “punishment” for it….so we aren’t trapped in an endlessly vicious cycle of having to think-up ever more draconian sanctions of our own, like our tame Sisters and Brothers are.

“Thinking” is hardly the only way to get some worthwhile sense of the rhythms and flows of the Song ‘n’ Dance of Life Herownself. In-fact, thinking, in this Old Man’s experience, is a lot more likely to get you into way worse trouble than it’ll ever get you out-of. It’s just like shooting, in that regard.

So maybe JDmysticDJ’s facile way with words and his/her rather run-of-the-mill philosophical musings aren’t the unmitigated blessing they’re so widely believed to be among the subspecies homo domesticus. Maybe the real arrogance is to be found among those who think what Lao Tse called “the plain truth of Nature” just isn’t good enough for them.

“Rousseau argues that the progression of the sciences and arts has caused the corruption of virtue and morality.”

Rousseau wrote several books on the subject. He did use “words” to put fourth his thoughts. Just as you do in your posts. Obviously He did “Think” about the issue, just as, I’m sure, you “think” when you post.

The dictionary definition of “Philosophy” is long, but it begins with these words:
“The study of the truths and principles of being….”

In describing Tyoshpaye you say there’s no ‘philosophy’ in it at all….only basic biology,” but in your posts, you seem to be something of a philosopher.

The Earth in its carnality, and with its predator and prey realities, may be a perfect “biological” organism, but the laws of nature have been considered insufficient by all of the Earth’s peoples, as they have contemplated their existence. All of the earth’s peoples have delved into the realm of spirituality, or the other worldly, as they have contemplated the mystery of life. The Earth as an organism is but a part of a greater organism that encompasses a solar system, stars, galaxies, and an apparently all encompassing Universe, or the great unknown if you prefer. Just as the Earth has its laws of nature, many, not all, but many believe this greater organism also has its laws, and have endeavored to understand these laws (Not Newtons laws, but other laws.) Any man who claims to understand the mysteries of the Great Unknown is displaying the pinnacle of arrogance, but some believe the – laws - of the Great Unknown may, to some extent, be deduced through observation and experience. Some believe that there are no laws, other than the Earth’s Carnal Laws, and they live their lives accordingly. Others claim authority in understanding these laws, and they live their lives accordingly. Others claim no authority, but seek to understand these laws as they pertain to the concepts of good and evil, and they live their lives accordingly. Some believe the concepts of good and evil are merely the inventions of superstitious minds, and they live their lives accordingly. Some believe the concepts of good and evil are real, and the results of these concepts are easily, and sometimes painfully, recognized as they’re encountered in life, and they live their lives accordingly. Some believe the good is derived from the Spiritual and the evil is derived from the Carnal, and they live their lives accordingly. Some take the spiritually dangerous, but existentially courageous decision to combat the evil, and they live their lives accordingly.

This old savage is happy to welcome Writer On The Storm “aboard.” The tiyoshpaye is simply the natural organic form of Humanity within the Living Arrangement of our Mother Earth….like the “pack” is that of Wolf, or the “colony” of HoneyBee. It is in-keeping with our natural organic function, which is that of a component of Her immune system….not “the brains” as so many have been so grievously misled to believe.

Again, there’s no “philosophy” in it at all….only basic biology. We have no more need-of or use-for make-believe than our free wild Relatives have….or our own hearts and livers do. It’s true that homo domesticus has become a virtual prisoner of language, and that the “moderns’” vocabularies have become worse than merely useless as means to “think” their way out of the mess they’re in.

Get into genuine “community” first, then the exact responses necessary to living through this terminal phase of “global civilization” will become as clear as they are accessible. It is the terrible irony of their predicament that domesticated “individuals’” very CONdition prevents them from recognizing it as such, let alone getting a grip on its specific features….or seeing in Nature the remedy for it.

The Way “out” is a Living Way. It’s not words or principals or artificial social “systems.” It’s not heroes or villains or melodrama of any kind. It is simply taking care of each other where you live and breathe everyday….and attending conscientiously to whatever in the way of the “out-of-place” comes to your notice.

Sorry not to be able to glamorize it, or give it an air of “mystery,” or come-up with a set of “commandments.” It’s just doin’ what comes….Naturally.

“MORE visible REPRESENTATIVE of the JEWISH people THAN ANY OTHER BODY, ORGANIZATION OR ENTITY- including the State of Israel”.

This is nonsense. Please! There are real issues to be considered. Let’s not get delusional about small delusional organisations that suffer from self grandeur. Chabab Lubavitch may have racist religious beliefs, but those kinds of beliefs are not exclusive to Chabab Lubavitch, and there is no evidence, that I’ve seen, that indicates Chabab Lubavitch is anything more than a small group of fundamentalist whackos. More “visible” than Israel?

The evidence you present seems overwhelming. I would classify Chabad Lubavitch as an extremist organization, and a threat to a peaceful resolution to the Israeli Palestinian Conflict, as Dershowitz is. Even so, I’m also wondering if there are individuals within Chabad Lubavitch whose beliefs are extreme, even to Chabad Lubavitch, Furthermore, I’m wondering if you have quoted these extreme individuals as being representative of Chabad Lubavitch. If I’m wrong, forgive me. I prefer not to believe that Israeli thought is dominated by the beliefs of extreme members within extremist groups.

“Close to 4,500 Chabad-Lubavitch emissaries, their parents and supporters packed the ballroom on Manhattan’s Pier 94 for the grand banquet of the International Conference of Chabad-Lubavitch Emissaries.”

“This amazing outreach campaign, first orchestrated by Schneerson and continued by his followers since his death in 1994, has made Chabad a MORE visible REPRESENTATIVE of the JEWISH people THAN ANY OTHER BODY, ORGANIZATION OR ENTITY- including the State of Israel”.

Chabad is currently thought to be the THIRD or FOURTH LARGEST Hasidic movement in Orthodox Judaism in terms of numbers of adherents. There are more than 200,000 adherents to the movement, and up to a MILLION JEWS attend Chabad services at least once a year.”

“Chabad has set up an extensive network of camps around the world, ……. There are 1,200 sites serving 210,000 CHILDREN — most of whom DO NOT come from Orthodox homes. Of these, 500 camps are in the United States.”

“In recent years Chabad has greatly expanded its reach on university and college campuses. Chabad Student Centers are active on over 100 campuses, and Chabad offers varied activities at an additional 150 universities worldwide.

“Professor Alan Dershowitz has said that “Chabad’s presence on college campuses today is absolutely crucial”, and “WE CANNOT REST UNTIL CHABAD IS ON EVERY MAJOR CAMPUS IN THE WORLD”

Setting up Chabad.org, one of the first Jewish educational websites[ and the first and largest virtual congregation.It serves not just its own members but Jews worldwide in general. According to Alexa.com, Chabad.org is currently the largest Jewish educational website worldwide.

Chabad pioneered the post-World War II outreach movement, which spread Judaism to many assimilated Jews worldwide, leading to a substantial number of baalei teshuva (“returnees” to Judaism). The very first Yeshiva/Rabbinical College for such “baalei teshuva”, Hadar Hatorah was established by the Lubavitcher Rebbe. Chabad was also one of the first Jewish outreach organizations to use the World Wide Web as an outreach tool.

Chabad followers have had a notable influence on Jewish entertainment. Composer and rabbi Shlomo Carlebach began his outreach work as a representative of Chabad (he later moved away from the movement), Avraham Fried is also an adherent.

“There are extremist groups on both sides of the issue. No one should accept the beliefs of extremist groups as being representative”

********************************************************

JDmydticDJ,

I wish that what you say is true, however, after painstaking research I discovered that this SUPREMACIST ideology as held by “CHABAD LUBAVITCH”, as an “ultra-orthodox-fundamentalist branch of Judaism”,is far morw wide spread than one would imagine

This alarming ideology is not confined to a small group of lunatics, as one might hope or imagine!!!
I URGE YOU ALL to research the ideology of “Chabad Lubavitch”

At first; I assumed these were some fringe radical lunatics, of which we can find equivalents in most cultures. As long as they are monitored and their dangerous ideology exposed, and as long as they are at safe distance outside the axiomatic centres of our cultures and civilizations, their freedom of speech and thought should not be denied.

But the endless amount of these publications and their cross-referencing, accumulates to substantial evidence, proving their own boasting of being “…A MORE VISIBLE REPRESENTITIVE OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE THAN ANY OTHER BODY, ORGANIZATION OR ENTITY- INCLUDING THE STATE OF ISRAEL”

It will require a lot of patience, to be able to read through, listen to tapes and look at the pictures, no matter how much time it needs, I think that investigating such horrors and finding out the scope of their influence, authority and outreach, is a duty, as well as an obligation

I have listened to rabbi’s recordings and lectures, what I have heard made me sick and made my heart cry

The images you present are beyond disturbing. The horror of those images should cause those who have supported the actions that created those images, to have second thoughts about their support, if they have any sense of common decency.

Presenting the despicable beliefs of extremist groups is enlightening, but only condemns those who ascribe to those beliefs (To one degree or another.)

There are extremist groups on both sides of the issue. No one should accept the beliefs of extremist groups as being representative; doing so is counter productive, creates intransigence, and inhibits efforts to bring an end to the madness.

No one knew in advance about the coming demise of ex-super power “Soviet Union”. Israel can keep doing what ever it wants, imagine what will happen when the remaining super power “United States” collapses. That will be final holocaust. I feel sorry for Israelies.

“We have proved ourselves to be the leaders of enlightenment, progress and revolution wherever we have traveled..”

“If it were not for Jews, there would be no concept of human dignity, of meaning and purpose, of the right of every person to education and knowledge, of social justice and of the value of world peace”

We protest and moan much about ethnic minorities when underrepresented in work places and government positions -and rightly so- as this is clearly a reflection of injustice.

But why does the world keep utterly silent when a “certain” minority is HUGELY overrepresented in sensitive positions in many world governments??

WHY??

Where is the uproar??

Isn’t this also a blatant injustice against the majority of those countries?

PS

And pleeeeeeease no one should come with the reiterated myth that they are more “intelligent” than the rest of us as a justification for this absurdity, because this fable is the MOST RACIST claim they have managed to indoctrinate the masses to accept

“How about for a change, the media (including
Truthdig) should focus on the terror that
Palestinians have been causing to Israelis non-stop
for the past three years. Let’s play along and
pretend the Palestinians bombarded southern Israel
with hundreds of rockets per week for months
straight….oh wait they did.”

Tragically eight Israelis died from rocket attack in 2008, and apparently three more Israelis died in 2009. Human Rights Watch reports that 15 Israelis have been killed as a result of rocket attacks from Gaza, since 2001 when the rocket attacks first began. Human Rights Watch has deemed these rocket attacks to be War Crimes because the rockets were intentionally directed at Israeli populations. The rocket attacks ceased for a time in 2008, but resumed again after an Israeli Military Incursion into Gaza (The incursion resulted in the deaths of 5 Palestinians.) Perhaps, the Israeli Government bears some indirect responsibility for the suffering of Israelis, which resulted after the rocket attacks resumed. However, and justifiably so, the rocket attacks have been classified as War Crimes by Human Rights Watch.

As I recall, the media has reported on the rocket attacks, including the details associated with those attacks. The reports used video and commentary in an effort to show the results of those attacks.

Also tragically, the Israeli Government chose to invade Palestinian territory. The Israeli Government stated that the goal of the invasion was to stop the attacks, and that the attack on heavily populated Palestinian areas was justified, and necessary, in order to stop the rocket attacks. The numbers of Palestinians killed in the attack ranged from 1350 to over 1500. Human Rights Watch classified the Israeli invasion as a war crime, because it was an attack on a civilian population. The United Nations sponsored Goldstone Report reported that Israeli military forces were guilty of indiscriminate killing of Palestinian civilians. The Goldstone report was rejected by Israel and the United States House of Representatives, without investigation, in spite of the report’s being well documented. There is Video evidence to support Mr. Goldstone’s allegations, and Mr. Goldstone’s credentials as an unbiased investigator are unimpeachable.

This forum doesn’t allow for anything other than a cursory analysis of the Israeli Palestinian conflict, but the consequences of this conflict have been far reaching and horrifically tragic. The potential for further horrors is obvious. Israelis suspect Arabs want to deny Israelis the right to a homeland and Arabs point to Israeli intransigence and expanding settlements as evidence that Israel seeks a Greater Israel which will encompass all of what was formerly Palestine.

You State

And we are supposed to think that the Palestinians
are the victim? It was only after repeated pleads to
stop firing rockets into Israel and for them to
consciously choose not to, that the Israelis began a
military offensive against Gaza. Poor gaza… they
called that military operation on themselves and they
paid for it. Even though innocent people were killed,
the irresponsibility of the Hamas groups is to blame
for their deaths. They chose to fight their battles
in the crowded streets of civilian life. They chose
to use their own people as human shields against the
Israeli army. We need to stop feeding Palestinians
the sympathy that they feed on to gain global support
and we need to actually start focusing on the facts,
rather than what corporate driven media and numb-
minded writers feed us.

It’s long past the time when people should have stopped considering themselves as victims and started working for a fair and equitable settlement of the conflict.

Unilaterally? Isn’t everything that Israhel does unilateral? So, why should it be an issue if Palestine does something uniterally? Oh, never mind that, I just forgot that Israhell is entitled to do things unilaterally, after all, they’re not self-appointed Chosen for nothin’

From what I can surmise about TAO Walker’s concept of “Genuine Living Organic Community”, one of the better
examples might be an Israeli Kibbutz. Though one could debate just how organic a community is when it occupies
another’s land and relies on the mechanisms of out-grouping for its vitality and sense of cohesion, the Kibbutz
otherwise seems to satisfy most other prescripts of Tiyoshpaye, at least those TAO Walker has seen fit to elucidate.

Communities come in all shapes and sizes, from nomadic tribes to sewing circles. All of them develop some sort of
organization eventually, and organization is the seed of civilization and civilization starts with a “c” and “c”, apparently,
stands for “CONtraption”. I’m all for lifting the veil and escaping the Great Sausage Grinder of western civilization, but
I have yet to come across an alternative form of community that is invulnerable to hierarchic structure (not just the
richer-than of greater western societies, but also the holier-than of religious/mystic communities), and its payload of
misery and struggle. The most promising are the historical pirate proto-anarchies, and Hakim Bey’s theoretical
Temporary Autonomous Zone. Both of these have the fatal problem of existing only as subsets of the greater
community upon which they depend.

If TAO Walker knows The Way Out, I’m all ears. I’m eager to find the exit sign from which my “projections” have
apparently blinded me. But if Tiyoshpaye turns out to be some Native American form of Zarathustra’s cave,
transcendental meditation, or the Unabomber’s cabin, count me out. If you can’t get the whole bus and everyone in it
to the location, it’s just another romantic ValhallaNirvanaManana.

Nor do I have truck for some sentimental concept of nature’s fraternal bosom. The image of the free wild Human Being
may strike a power chord with homo-domesticus, but once you’ve traded in the suit-and-tie for a ceremonial loin
cloth, metaphorically speaking naturellement, where exactly are you, and where did those storm clouds come from?

If, however, Tiyoshpaye is closer to a philosophy, a more effective way of looking at the world, a sustainable approach
to life that works for everyone/thing on the planet, or even just method of interaction that does not invite f*cking
someone over or getting f*cked, then I’m on board, brother. All the way.

We should not allow any tax dollars to support a bigoted and racist nation. Congress and the President pushed resolutions that endorse the slaughter. My nation is controlled by AIPAC acting for the foreign nation of Israel. Israel banned the only two Arab parties in Israel before the national election. It is not a Democracy. Israel’s government is Apartheid. It is time to begin treating the Palestinians as human beings and respecting their choices made in free elections. They need their own country, free to live in peace without controls and invasions of their territory by Israel. It is time for us to tell Israel to remove their settlements, to come to the bargaining table with a workable plan to create a Palestinian nation or we will cease to be their Minion and will withhold any further economic and military support until they comply.
We can not continue to support the state-sanctioned murder of children, CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY. Israel has literally enclosed the Palestinians in a giant prison (concentration camp, reservation) from which there is no escape. Israel prevents food, medical supplies, fuel, and water being supplied to these PEOPLE and destroys the entire infrastructure by bombing them without any limits on the places that should be safe and secure for civilians and their children. Half the population of Gaza is children. The result of this invasion is both monstrous and inevitable. We can no longer pretend to be on the side of right when we blindly support a nation who has used a comparatively insignificant (crudely made rockets) security threat as an excuse to force a group of people into an Apartheid situation and then treating them like the objects of a grotesque blood sport. There can be no excuse for bombing mosques, hospitals, and schools. If you saw a gunman firing at you from near a school, would you destroy it with a rocket, knowing you would kill dozens of children? No, the correct response would be to use a marksman to eliminate the threat. What kind of monsters makes the choice to bomb the school and kill the children? A Palestinian state is important because the Palestinian people are stateless. With NO CITIZENSHIP in a state the Palestinian people are left vulnerable and without rights, since there is no state that will defend their rights. If someone tried to steal your home, you could ask the police of your town to remove them, with reference to the property deed that you filed with your municipal authorities. Since Israelis take over Palestinian land, the Palestinians have no one to complain to since they do NOT HAVE A STATE AND THEREFORE NO RIGHTS. The Israeli courts favor the colonizers and don’t recognize Palestinian rights. PALESTINIANS do NOT have the right to have rights.
This is what happens when the United States commits atrocities and loses the right of moral leadership. Our House of Representatives refused to recognize the results of the GOLDSTONE REPORT. We all need to stand up and admit that our government has been wrong, that this incursion by Israel is wrong, that this must be stopped.

Night-Gaunt: You may indeed be describing the future, and I am sure if that came to pass AIPAC and its congressional lackeys would support Israel’s act of “self-defense” to the end. Actually, it’s about time for another intifada—the current population of 15-20 year olds in Palestine were too young to be involved in the 2000-2001 uprising, so the timing is ripe. Israel may try and provoke an intifada—as Sharon did in 2000—and then use it as an excuse to do exactly what you describe (as always, in the name of “self-defense”). But in the long run, all they will be doing is pushing the border of hostility a bit to the east—the wars, the hatred, the killing will go on.

I must respectfully disagree with you Seektruth for with the population decline in Palestinian land over the intervening years all that is needed is a world crisis to take the world’s eyes off of the area and then the Israelis can move in an clean them out very fast. No one in the area can resist them like supine Jordan. Once that is done they will claim all the land as theirs and raize everything shortly thereafter. It is something that I can see them doing and it would be a crime but will the USA do more than talk about it? Yes and the billions will then flow as usual.

Lary: Israel has plenty of land within the Green Line on which to build new housing. Settlements are about ethnic cleansing, not about housing. The right of return is indeed an issue, but every Palestinian leader has said that it is to be negotiated—and many have said, on the record, that they acknowledge Israel’s right to determine who is allowed to live in Israel. The idea of Israel being “swamped” by Palestinians is ludicrous—ethno-racist fearmongering at its worst. You need to get out of the ghetto of tribal fear in which you live. Israel’s dream of cleanising Palestine of its inhabitants was unrealistic in 1948 and is even more unrealistic today. There are only two options: two sovereign states or one democratic state with equal rights for all. It’s time that you and other so-called supporters of Israel end the fearmongering, bigotry and racism, and make a choice.

Lary: Israel has plenty of land within the Green Line on which to build new housing. Settlements are about ethnic cleansing, not about housing. The right of return is indeed an issue, but every Palestinian leader has said that it is to be negotiated—and many have said, on the record, that they acknowledge Israel’s right to determine who is allowed to live in Israel. The idea of Israel being “swamped” by Palestinians is ludicrous—etno-racist fearmongering at its worst. You need to get out of the ghetto of tribal fear in which you live. Israel’s dream of cleanising Palestine of its inhabitants was unrealistic in 1948 and is even more unrealistic today. There are only two options: two sovereign states or one democratic state with equal rights for all. It’s time that you and other so-called supporters of Israel end the fearmongering, bigotry and racism, and make a choice.

Israel always looks to the future. There will be a need for more housing in the future, so some nonsense agreement about not building any more is just plain irrational. There is one thing in the way for a two state solution and that is the right of return. The Palestinians want the right of return so they can swamp Israel and make it a virulent Islamic state. Do you think the Jewish State is going there? That is the problem; the Palestinians will not accept Israel, period. Now go wash out your mouth with soap.

How about for a change, the media (including
Truthdig) should focus on the terror that
Palestinians have been causing to Israelis non-stop
for the past three years. Let’s play along and
pretend the Palestinians bombarded southern Israel
with hundreds of rockets per week for months
straight….oh wait they did.
And we are supposed to think that the Palestinians
are the victim? It was only after repeated pleads to
stop firing rockets into Israel and for them to
consciously choose not to, that the Israelis began a
military offensive against Gaza. Poor gaza… they
called that military operation on themselves and they
paid for it. Even though innocent people were killed,
the irresponsibility of the Hamas groups is to blame
for their deaths. They chose to fight their battles
in the crowded streets of civilian life. They chose
to use their own people as human shields against the
Israeli army. We need to stop feeding Palestinians
the sympathy that they feed on to gain global support
and we need to actually start focusing on the facts,
rather than what corporate driven media and numb-
minded writers feed us.

Actually the most racist* Zionists want a one state solution their Aryan..oops, Semitic Jews for a Jewish state only. Even the Arabs that live there will be in trouble if the worse of the worse like Albagore Liberman runs the show.

Technically many non Israelis are also Semites including the Palestinians so who is the “anti Semite” in this context? Though there is a small group of such Zionists who are spreading the false meme that the Palestinians aren’t Semites at all.

The merits of hate are love of ones own small group over all others just as for some there is only one true religion and they are atheist to all the others.

Love of this type that is directly connected to hate in order to flourish is very serious. Not a healthy combination for anyone & can easily lead to genocide.

How Writer On The Storm found any “moralizing” in this old Savage’s clinical diagnosis of the condition the domesticated peoples’ CONdition is in can only be a consequence of his/her own ‘projecting’.... maybe amply illustrated in that acerbic description of those sick fools attempting genocide upon their concentration-camped fellow-Shemite neighbors. As for these “....poor Palestinians,” to whatever extent any among them actually are in The Tiyoshpaye Way, they have much better chances of coming through Earth’s Purification Ceremony in much better shape than any of their CONtraption-dwelling tormentors….tamed two-legged and otherwise.

Writer On The Storm’s inability to “see” our Mother Earth doing what She must to resist the “infestation” really says a lot more about her/his own visual impairment than it says about anything else. That the handicap is shared with pretty much every other “individual” in the same predicament might be of some comfort….cold though that may be.

For every disease there is a Natural Medicine. The cure for what ails homo domesticus is in us surviving free wild Human Beings. Nobody here in Indian Country gives a shit about anything at all in the make-believe world-o’-hurt….least of all its pretensions to “divine” ordination, with all the moralistic idiocy that engenders and which its command-and-CONtrol regime tries to enforce.

It is a testimony to just how disconnected are the domesticated peoples from their Natural Place that so many of them are so insensate to what is actually happening in our Living Arrangement. Writer On The Storm offers us, perhaps unwittingly, a stark example of the DEAD END outlook of those enmeshed in the toils of a collapsing “civilization.”

Besides, it’s always possible even a Being as innately vital as our Mother Earth will succumb finally to the assault of the tormentors, aided and abetted by their tame two-legged tools. Even that prospect is a lot less daunting to Her surviving free wild Children, though, than it is for those whose only other “options” range from oblivion to pie-in-the-sky-when-you-die.

This is a Living World in a Living Universe. It’s all BIOLOGY, tame Sisters and Brothers. No need to complicate your half-lives with the fools-gold of glittering abstraction….and plenty of damned good reasons not to.

“……….if you have been following the war then you would realize that barak made a conscious decision to increase OUR casualties and reduce the afganies.”

I think you meant Barack, (It’s spelled with a C and a capital B)

Wow! I had no idea that Barack “….Made a conscious decision to increase OUR casualties…” he really is evil, isn’t he? (Oh, in case you’re not incapable of recognizing such, I’m being sarcastic)

“…..and reduce the afganies.”

I think you meant Afghani’s, (It would be spelled with a capital A no E and an apostrophe) but I’m still unclear. Did you mean reduce casualties for the Afghani people, or did you mean reduce casualties for the Afghani bad guys. If the latter is true, it only reinforces how truly evil Barack is (More sarcasm.)

“The ground troops can no longer call in for air support…..”

Is that true? It’s beginning to look like Barack is a secret supporter of the Afghan Taliban. (Also sarcasm)

“……and if some is sent the standing rules are “the pilot must independently verify that they are bad guys”.

Now I’m confused. Didn’t you say the ground troops could not call in for air support?

“….the pilot must independently verify that they are bad guys”.

That’s outrageous! Are you saying that the pilots must actually know what they’re pointing at, before they pull the trigger?(More Sarcasm.)

“As a result more troops have been killed since this moronic policy was put in place.”

Hum? The idea that we should avoid killing innocents truly is a “moronic policy” (Not really, only morons fail to see why we shouldn’t be killing non-combatants.) I didn’t know there is absolute and quantifiable proof that this “Moronic policy” is responsible for the increase in casualties (Actually I think that only morons believe that.)

“He has 2 choices either allow the military to fight the war or get the hell out.”

Can we trust him with 2 choices? Not when he’s proven himself to be a secret supporter of the Afghan Taliban. I’ve heard that he has 4 other choices. So let’s see….? Your 2 choices, plus the other 4 choices (That makes 6.) That’s way too many choices for him, because he’s a moron. I think he should choose one of your 2 choices, because you are obviously the genius, but I think we should only give him one choice. The one that doesn’t require too much thought, him being a moron and all. That would be “… get the ‘HELL’ out! (Some sarcasm. Are you able to identify the sarcasm? Sorry, I’m making this difficult aren’t I)

I’m very glad I read your comment. It’s been very educational (sarcasm.)

Regarding your last sentence, (I think it’s a sentence, I think you may have left out some words, letters or punctuation marks or something, its very difficult to understand.)

“As for some of your other comments about the country and value it’s the neo communists wanting us to get involved military with regions we have no interest. Whether its Angola, Haiti, Rwanda they are disposable countries and let them determine their own society”
This “neo communist” thing (You need to put a hyphen between the two words.) Are you referring to Obama? I think…..? He’s a centrist Democrat, just a little left of center. Are you referring to people who advocate for intervening in foreign countries, thereby not allowing these countries to “determine their own society?” I thought it was Neocons who do that, not “Neo-Communists.” If you’re talking about people who advocate intervening in countries where genocide is occurring, well then, that doesn’t seem so bad. I’ve always thought communists were kind of bad, but if these “Neo-Communists” you talk about want to intervene to prevent genocide…?.....?.... I’m so confused! I guess its because I’m not as smart as you are (Heavy sarcasm.)

<<Again, any number of Humans can recover the integrity of their Organic Function, and so be counted
among Her Children whom she will not “waste.” >>

It’s odd to find a moralizing rapture fantasy coming from one of the clearest thinkers on TD, including the
editorial contributors. I see no evidence of the planet defending itself against the relentless stripping and
exploitation of the ecosystem at the hands of man. If anything, human beings resemble nothing so much as a
parasitic infestation which threatens, if not to kill the planet, then certainly to render it useless for sustaining
the kinds of life forms it has thus far enjoyed.

Eschatological reveries aside, it’s getting on to end times for the poor Palestinians, who suffer and die at the
hands, NOT of the “CONtraption”, but at the fearful vindictiveness of a mob of imperialist, racist, religious
fanatics determined to plant their flag in the collective hearts of a people whose only crime was to have the
nerve to attempt their “Tiyoshpaye” on someone else’s self-proclaimed promised land.

A very impressive philosophical post and a stark reality of things to come if Homo Domisticus continues to neglect Mother Earth.The troubles brewing throughout the lands for such a long time -long for humans-yet very short for Mother Nature is indicative of the demise you explain,where the cleansing action will sweep many away regardless of the Stuff that has been accumulated.Reading about civilizations past and present it’s mind -boggling to try and comprehend the fools that resorted to genocidal practices to introduce ,what was claimed to be the superior ideology and superior race ,therefore the Natives of the land must be destroyed in the name of the King or Queen or of Religion in the name of God .The reference with God is a contradiction in itself, also it is blasphemous-thou shall not take the name of the lord your god in vain-which W Bush did regularly,just to cite a recent example.So what should be done to right the ship ,should we slow down ,should we find an alternative for fossil fuels -actually that would bewilder the global chess players-or should we teach the Children not to follow in our footsteps towards the Cliff.

This Old Man didn’t mean to hurt the feelings of Radson or Gerard or anyone else here….or to pick particularly on Palestinians or Israelis. The thing about “HOPE!”, though, is what a poor substitute it is for the clarity and maturity so vital to any beneficially effective understanding-of and response-to the terminal condition ALL the domesticated peoples are in now.

The entire purpose of “civilization” here is the destructive exploitation of our Mother Earth and all Her Native Children. That two-legged peoples all over the world have been entrapped in one sub-system or another of this death-worshipping “dominance” paradigm, for upwards of ten thousand years now, doesn’t alter the facts of its actual effects on our Living Arrangement at all….or the over-riding fact that these have been without exception devastating to even the captive Humans who are so instrumental in its process.

Those who are ill-at-ease with what someone here calls the “intentionality of Nature” may have plenty of cause for their discomfort….in proportion to their own “individual” CONtribution to the general degradation. Nevertheless, our Mother Earth is a Living Being with a capacity to act in defense of Her Life. Human Beings, in fact, are a component in Her immune system, even though here in these latter days nearly all of them have been co-opted (through the mechanism of “civilization”) by a kind of retro-viral form of half-life intending to drain Her of Life to provide the forms of degenerate energy they subsist-on.

Those who doubt such a CONtraption, or such “global” wannabe parasites, could exist here without their knowing it might ask theirownselfs and one another’s just how aware the inmates of some Colorado feedlot are of the complicated apparatus set-up to turn them into hamburger, let-alone their being “individual”-ly acquainted with the board of directors of Burger King, Inc., for just one example among many. Of course, a population of “individuals” is designed to be so wrapped-up in the smothering shroud of their very own “self,” that any suggestion they might be no more “precious” than any other brand of livestock in the “global” marketplace will almost certainly be highly offensive to them….for all the good their misdirected anger can do them.

Whether or not one likes its implications, the “flushing” of CONtamination from Living Forms is a natural and necessary occurrence….one we are seeing even now as our Mother Earth rids Herself of something actively threatening Her imminent demise. The “problem” this may present for many among the subspecies homo domesticus is their unwillingness or inability to let-go of the detritus to which so many seem so incurably addicted….ironically often in the idiotic belief that all their “stuff” makes them “independent” of Natural processes.

Again, any number of Humans can recover the integrity of their Organic Function, and so be counted among Her Children whom she will not “waste.” Some of us surviving free wild People call the Form of Humanity required for that recovery Tiyoshpaye. Genuine Living Organic Community is about as close as it gets in English. Try it, tame Sisters and Brothers. You’re sure to like it.

If not a unilateral declaration of statehood by the Palestinians, then perhaps a ONE STATE SOLUTION?

Is there enough property left for a Palestinian state that is not a virtual ghetto or Bantustan? If Israel is indeed a democracy, an egalitarian one that is, then lets see? Put Israel to the test. Let’s see if the Jewish State will absorb hundreds of thousands of Palestinians and treat them as equal citizens. Any intelligent, observant persons knows how that will go down. It will reveal the true nature of Israel, that their “democracy” is a fraud. As would be any “democracy” rooted in religion. A Jewish State is by it’s nature exclusionary.

I submit that it’s the ONE STATE SOLUTION that racist Zionists are most fearful of. The brutal, racist Zionists know that they have effectively derailed a Palestinian State. The discussion of a two state solution is a shell game the Israeli’s always win. Let’s show the world who they really are and compel the racist Zionists to allow Palestinians to become citizens. That’s what they fear most, a world reckoning of their racists social fabric.

Only then can we dispense with the lie and illusion of Israeli “democracy.”

Do it right and it will self activate or the link is wrong in some way.

When an abused person isn’t treated with therapy they tend to become what had abused them and they will abuse others in the same way perpetuating the horrible cycle. I say that it can happen to a mass of people and the Israelis have had their share of abuse. Unfortunately many who are in power are of the same mind set and think that only torture and mass murder are the only way to get what they want. The bloody cycle of pain continues. A sad state of affairs. History doesn’t repeat itself exactly but it does rhyme in uncomfortable ways.

Chris Hedges article is rather to the point,he combines a certain frustration towards the nonchalance being displayed with regards to the Levant ,yet he also has hope.The suggestion of unilateral recognition through the UN for a Palestinian State is long overdue and should have been implemented decades ago ,in the least as a pressure tactic.The US has been riding the pine for too long and nothing ,or very little has come to fruition with regards to a peaceful resolution,whether it be ,One State,Two States or as it has become a State of Confusion.Israel claimed it’s State in 1948 and I can’t recall how many countries voted Yes ,but I do believe Russia was the first ,by allowing the PA to do the same the international community will see who is for and who is against.This will probably infuriate the Right Wingers in Israel and their going to fight this proposal tooth and nail ,because of the separation that will more than likely ensue. What I’m saying is give hope a chance ,instead of flushing and making it all go away.Perhaps my last post was too harsh towards
Tao ,especially since I respect the Native people ,but it wasn’t meant to be dirty.