This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by gredal: 15.02.2009 00:12.

Fold on flop, you only have bottom pair
also you only have a gutshot straightdraw and a backdoorflush draw which is far from great. But that doesnt really matter since youre playing SSS and dont have the implied odds to draw for such hand.

In freeplay situations like this you should only play made hands (atleast top pair great kicker) for starters and in that case play them aggressively by raising the pot.

This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by Tim64: 15.02.2009 00:54.

Thanks Gredal,

I probably overestimated my odds on the Turn. I agree with you that I don't have the odds to call there.

However, having hit a heart on the Turn, it must be pretty much mandatory for me to - at least - call villain's bet? My pot odds are now 5.5:1, I think, and now that I have a flush draw, gutshot, as well as the two 7s (for trips), I must have getting on for 15 outs, So about 2:1 odds. Or, say 3:1 to allow for discounting.

I didn't quite understand your point about implied odds. Do you mean that implied odds are never available in SSS? Or just that they're not available here. (And if not, why not?)

There is an article in the bronze section called "Shortstack-Strategy: Implied Pot Odds" that seems to explain when you can give yourself additional pot odds, and I'm not sure why I can't (at least in principle) make an assessment about whether I have any implied odds in a given situation. Here, villain limped in which perhaps suggests loosness. Then he bet, both on the flop and turn, which suggests he has some kind of hand - which it would presumably be harder for him to fold to a future bet by Hero.

As always, though, I'm just feeling my way here; so I'm quite willing to be put in my place if I'm wrong/out of line

I probably overestimated my odds on the Turn. I agree with you that I don't have the odds to call there.

However, having hit a heart on the Turn, it must be pretty much mandatory for me to - at least - call villain's bet? My pot odds are now 5.5:1, I think, and now that I have a flush draw, gutshot, as well as the two 7s (for trips), I must have getting on for 15 outs, So about 2:1 odds. Or, say 3:1 to allow for discounting.

I didn't quite understand your point about implied odds. Do you mean that implied odds are never available in SSS? Or just that they're not available here. (And if not, why not?)

There is an article in the bronze section called "Shortstack-Strategy: Implied Pot Odds" that seems to explain when you can give yourself additional pot odds, and I'm not sure why I can't (at least in principle) make an assessment about whether I have any implied odds in a given situation. Here, villain limped in which perhaps suggests loosness. Then he bet, both on the flop and turn, which suggests he has some kind of hand - which it would presumably be harder for him to fold to a future bet by Hero.

As always, though, I'm just feeling my way here; so I'm quite willing to be put in my place if I'm wrong/out of line

Yes there's implied odds when playing SSS ofc, but they are never really good and you should only rely on them if youre on a somewhat strongdraw in the case of freeplay. If you raised preflop however its okay to play a flushdraw or a straightdraw aggressively postflop. I found his other article you can read to give you an idea of the different draws:

You should indeed fold flop. But as played I think it's pretty alright to call turn, you get good enough odds. You have FD + Gutshot + 2pair + trips here. Though you have to discount many of these outs. A two pair wouldn't help you much here, for example, because an 8 could complete villain's straight.