Federer, Djokovic, Murray and Del Potro, the top players, were all entered.

If Nadal wins this, it is convincing proof that he is the best in the world.

Before you say "He did not beat Federer," remember when Federer won FO and W, he did not beat Nadal. If then it was OK to declare him the GOAT with 15 Slams in spite of Nadal not being around, it should be OK to consider Nadal the best in the world if he wins Paris indoors.

malakas

11-13-2009, 12:21 PM

It proves that you got a mancrush on Nadal.

Ambivalent

11-13-2009, 12:22 PM

If then it was OK to declare him the GOAT with 15 Slams in spite of Nadal not being around, it should be OK to consider Nadal the best in the world if he wins Paris indoors.

Your logic is flawed. You're saying here that it's okay to declare them both GOAT.

TMCW140

11-13-2009, 12:23 PM

Um, that doesn't make much sense really? How can winning a tournament where others lose make him the best in the world? surely that theory could apply to anyone?
If he wins, it'll just prove he was the best at that particular tournament

Vyse

11-13-2009, 12:23 PM

if he wins, then perhaps will pass federer and be ranked 1 so yes, he would be best in the world

Mustard

11-13-2009, 12:23 PM

It proves that he can win another Masters tournament, a second indoor title for his career and that he's taken a big stride forward. He would also equal Federer's total of 16 Masters titles, and each of them would be 1 behind Agassi's record.

As for being world number 1, not unless he actually does so in the rankings.

Michael Bluth

11-13-2009, 12:25 PM

It proves he has incredible luck. Nothing else

sureshs

11-13-2009, 12:25 PM

if he wins, then perhaps will pass federer and be ranked 1 so yes, he would be best in the world

I don't think he will pass Federer in rank.

What it would prove is that Nadal can win when Federer loses to someone else, as well as when he plays Federer. Federer can win only when Nadal loses to someone else. Guess who must be the better player?

Anaconda

11-13-2009, 12:27 PM

OMG another thread littered in fail. If Nadal wins Paris - it means he has won another 1000 series. Is JMDP the GOAT because he beat RN and RF back to back at a slam?

Mustard

11-13-2009, 12:27 PM

Federer can win only when Nadal loses to someone else. Guess who must be the better player?

Federer, Djokovic, Murray and Del Potro, the top players, were all entered.

If Nadal wins this, it is convincing proof that he is the best in the world.

Before you say "He did not beat Federer," remember when Federer won FO and W, he did not beat Nadal. If then it was OK to declare him the GOAT with 15 Slams in spite of Nadal not being around, it should be OK to consider Nadal the best in the world if he wins Paris indoors.
No way. He didn't win Cincinnati, the "real slam"

G_T_S

11-13-2009, 12:29 PM

I don't think he will pass Federer in rank.

What it would prove is that Nadal can win when Federer loses to someone else, as well as when he plays Federer. Federer can win only when Nadal loses to someone else. Guess who must be the better player?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Federer beat Nadal the last time they played...on clay even?

Blinkism

11-13-2009, 12:29 PM

If Nadal wins it means he's back to top form and should be a favorite for the World Tour Finals in London.

If he wins there, then we can speculate on who is the real #1 and whatnot.

Anaconda

11-13-2009, 12:31 PM

If Nadal wins Paris then it doesn't mean anytihng as cincinatti is the 'real slam'.

i guess we will see threads on why Nadal is the best ever because there are just a team of players around him who choke on purpose to give him matches.

CyBorg

11-13-2009, 12:32 PM

The Masters Cup will be a better indication. They'll fight for the #1 ranking there.

Mustard

11-13-2009, 12:33 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Federer beat Nadal the last time they played...on clay even?

He did, but considering that crazy match against Djokovic less than 24 hours earlier, it was hardly surprising. I was surprised, but delighted, when Nadal beat Federer in the 2008 Hamburg final, considering how much more tired Nadal was.

_maxi

11-13-2009, 12:35 PM

Is prooves that Nalbandian is injured.

Anaconda

11-13-2009, 12:37 PM

Is prooves that Nalbandian is injured.

Spelling fail and GOAT player fail

Mustard

11-13-2009, 12:38 PM

Is prooves that Nalbandian is injured.

It's unfortunate he's injured, but that's all part of the game.

G_T_S

11-13-2009, 12:38 PM

He did, but considering that crazy match against Djokovic less than 24 hours earlier, it was hardly surprising. I was surprised, but delighted, when Nadal beat Federer in the 2008 Hamburg final, considering how much more tired Nadal was.

A win is a win is a win.

Not Federer's fault if Nadal is too tired. Not Nadal's fault if Federer has mono. Not Soderling's fault if Nadal has bad knees - etc. etc.

Mustard

11-13-2009, 12:41 PM

A win is a win is a win.

Not Federer's fault if Nadal is too tired. Not Nadal's fault if Federer has mono. Not Soderling's fault if Nadal has bad knees - etc. etc.

I agree, I'm just saying that it wasn't surprising that Federer won the Madrid final. As for Soderling at the French Open, I think that's the biggest upset in tennis history that I can think of, but a fully deserved victory for Soderling on the day.

BreakPoint

11-13-2009, 12:50 PM

If Nadal wins Paris indoors, what does it prove?

It proves that 95% of the ATP Tour are chokers. :shock:

Mustard

11-13-2009, 12:51 PM

If Nadal wins Paris indoors, what does it prove?

It proves that 95% of the ATP Tour are chokers. :shock:

All part of tennis is choking.

G_T_S

11-13-2009, 12:52 PM

I agree, I'm just saying that it wasn't surprising that Federer won the Madrid final. As for Soderling at the French Open, I think that's the biggest upset in tennis history that I can think of, but a fully deserved victory for Soderling on the day.

Soderling deserved it - and it was a big upset. But if it was the biggest in all history is hard for me to say. Maybe?

I think at this moment that Nadal is playing better than Federer. But I also say that both guys are not playing at their best. Maybe Nole is the guy to beat in Paris then in London.

Mustard

11-13-2009, 12:54 PM

Soderling deserved it - and it was a big upset. But if it was the biggest in all history is hard for me to say. Maybe?

I think at this moment that Nadal is playing better than Federer. But I also say that both guys are not playing at their best. Maybe Nole is the guy to beat in Paris then in London.

But then again, Djokovic hardly played great against Soderling today while Nadal played well against Tsonga. It'll be interesting to see what happens in the Nadal vs. Djokovic match.

G_T_S

11-13-2009, 01:03 PM

It'll be interesting to see what happens in the Nadal vs. Djokovic match.

Ya, the interesting part is that both can play awesome out of nowhere. Nadal did it against Tsonga today but it could be Nole's turn tomorrow. I hope they both play awesome and give us a good match.

Blinkism

11-13-2009, 01:05 PM

If Nadal wins Paris indoors, what does it prove?

It proves that 95% of the ATP Tour are chokers. :shock:

Sure it does.

sureshs

11-13-2009, 01:12 PM

If Nadal wins Paris indoors, what does it prove?

It proves that 95% of the ATP Tour are chokers. :shock:

I wouldn't go as far as calling Federer a choker, but you have a point.

kishnabe

11-13-2009, 01:12 PM

Who said nadal is getting past djokovic.

eagle

11-13-2009, 01:14 PM

It proves that everyone who lost in this tourney and any other tourney in the future should retire.

Bottom line is that if you lose even a single match, you should retire.

r,
eagle

Rippy

11-13-2009, 01:23 PM

Nadal must win Cincinnati for him to truly be considered the best.

aphex

11-13-2009, 01:23 PM

Federer, Djokovic, Murray and Del Potro, the top players, were all entered.

If Nadal wins this, it is convincing proof that he is the best in the world.

Before you say "He did not beat Federer," remember when Federer won FO and W, he did not beat Nadal. If then it was OK to declare him the GOAT with 15 Slams in spite of Nadal not being around, it should be OK to consider Nadal the best in the world if he wins Paris indoors.

don't you mean 16 slams???

don't forget cincy.

Blinkism

11-13-2009, 01:26 PM

Well, by sureshs's logic

Nadal has 7 slams

Don't forget Monte Carlo 2008

All 4 Top seeds made the semifinals

AND the top 2 seeds made the finals

Monte Carlo 2008 > Cincinnati 2009

:)

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P_Agony

11-13-2009, 01:42 PM

I think it proves another useless thread by sureshs was created. It also prvoes Nadal is a very good player, something we all knew already.

BallzofSkill

11-13-2009, 01:56 PM

geez, all these new slams to keep track of. suresh slow down mate.

Mun

11-13-2009, 02:07 PM

Nadal would be the clear no.1 if not for injury, we all know that. He will be official no.1 next summer, we have to deal with fake ranking a few more months, that's all. Nadal and Djokovic will dominate tennis in 2010.

Serendipitous

11-13-2009, 02:12 PM

Nadal would be the clear no.1 if not for injury, we all know that. He will be official no.1 next summer, we have to deal with fake ranking a few more months, that's all. Nadal and Djokovic will dominate tennis in 2010.

This is a fact.

Outbeyond

11-13-2009, 02:23 PM

OMG another thread littered in fail. If Nadal wins Paris - it means he has won another 1000 series. Is JMDP the GOAT because he beat RN and RF back to back at a slam?

That's the simplistic logic going on here...(sigh)....are there no intelligent threads this evening?

BreakPoint

11-13-2009, 08:29 PM

I wouldn't go as far as calling Federer a choker, but you have a point.
I didn't call Federer a choker. He's in the 5% that doesn't choke, and so is Nadal.

FedGod

11-13-2009, 09:21 PM

if Nadal wins Paris indoors by beating Tsonga and then Djokovic and then maybe Stepanek (an excellent indoor player) then you've got to give it up for him
indoor courts are usually his worst surface so that would be an Amazing results!!!

mandy01

11-13-2009, 10:35 PM

It proves -to some of his own fans also-that one must never count Nadal out.He's there and he's doing well.
As for being the 'best' player in the world..
I couldnt care less because Roger got his 16 slams.:D

dh003i

11-13-2009, 10:38 PM

Federer, Djokovic, Murray and Del Potro, the top players, were all entered.

If Nadal wins this, it is convincing proof that he is the best in the world.

Before you say "He did not beat Federer," remember when Federer won FO and W, he did not beat Nadal. If then it was OK to declare him the GOAT with 15 Slams in spite of Nadal not being around, it should be OK to consider Nadal the best in the world if he wins Paris indoors.

It proves that he's the 2nd best player in the world, although we already knew that by his winning 1 slam and having the #2 ranking. The best player in the world is ranked #1 and has 2 slams. Pretty much end of discussion.

CMM

11-13-2009, 10:43 PM

It proves -to some of his own fans also-that one must never count Nadal out.He's there and he's doing well.
As for being the 'best' player in the world..
I couldnt care less because Roger got his 16 slams.:D
When?:shock:

tahiti

11-13-2009, 10:49 PM

It doesn't really prove anything except that since his return he's pretty much been in every Quarter or Semi-final. i.e. good results.

paulorenzo

11-13-2009, 11:56 PM

Federer, Djokovic, Murray and Del Potro, the top players, were all entered.

If Nadal wins this, it is convincing proof that he is the best in the world.

Before you say "He did not beat Federer," remember when Federer won FO and W, he did not beat Nadal. If then it was OK to declare him the GOAT with 15 Slams in spite of Nadal not being around, it should be OK to consider Nadal the best in the world if he wins Paris indoors.

it proves that nadal didn't win Cincinnati this year, the real slam.

zacinnc78

11-14-2009, 12:58 AM

Djokovic will own Nadal in a couple of hours then hopefully this thread will die :)

mandy01

11-14-2009, 01:44 AM

When?:shock:According to Suresh, Cincinnati was a Slam this year..Federer has 16 slams :D

GustafsonFanatic

11-14-2009, 01:53 AM

If Nadal wins Paris indoors, I will saw off my right leg with a herring. If he also wins London, I'll proceed to eat it.

Rippy

11-14-2009, 04:46 AM

When?:shock:

3 AO
1 FO
6 W
5 USO
1 Cincinnati

GasquetGOAT

11-14-2009, 06:00 AM

Federer, Djokovic, Murray and Del Potro, the top players, were all entered.

If Nadal wins this, it is convincing proof that he is the best in the world.

Before you say "He did not beat Federer," remember when Federer won FO and W, he did not beat Nadal. If then it was OK to declare him the GOAT with 15 Slams in spite of Nadal not being around, it should be OK to consider Nadal the best in the world if he wins Paris indoors.

Guess what? By your logic, Djokovic is the best in the world! with Federer, Nadal, Murray and Del Potro, the top players, were all entered.

Not to mentioned the beatdown Nadal received, it was not pretty.:twisted:

Tony48

11-14-2009, 06:11 AM

Hmmmm....this thread is probably spoiler material now.

zagor

11-14-2009, 06:11 AM

Federer, Djokovic, Murray and Del Potro, the top players, were all entered.

If Nadal wins this, it is convincing proof that he is the best in the world.

Before you say "He did not beat Federer," remember when Federer won FO and W, he did not beat Nadal. If then it was OK to declare him the GOAT with 15 Slams in spite of Nadal not being around, it should be OK to consider Nadal the best in the world if he wins Paris indoors.

It should.

GustafsonFanatic

11-14-2009, 06:11 AM

^^^
shhhhh, spoiler...

svijk

11-14-2009, 06:30 AM

o boy another sureshs classic.....this guy does not want to come out of Nadal's butt even though the Spaniard tries pulling him out all the time

TheTruth

11-14-2009, 06:48 AM

Such hate...wow!

federer_FREAK

11-14-2009, 06:53 AM

I'm gonna make a prediction that Novak beats Nadal 6-2 6-3.

MuseFan

11-14-2009, 07:06 AM

Don't have to worry this now! Meow! Go Nole, even up that H2H in 2011!

Chadwixx

11-14-2009, 07:06 AM

If nadal wins paris ill delete my account, the guy is terrible since getting off roids.

flyinghippos101

11-14-2009, 07:34 AM

Wow, Djokovic really took it to Nadal today. I'm not too surprised though, Nadal has been off this entire tournament and was still able to reach the semis, pretty impressive

rommil

11-14-2009, 07:39 AM

At 23, when he is supposedly in his prime, at number 2 in the world, and being touted as mentally strong and a physical beast, after the match today, Nadal is definitely GOAT.

volleynets

11-14-2009, 07:42 AM

So how many points is Nadal behind Federer then when the WTF starts?

rommil

11-14-2009, 07:44 AM

So how many points is Nadal behind Federer then when the WTF starts?

About 15,000 butt picks away........

volleynets

11-14-2009, 07:45 AM

About 15,000 butt picks away........

well in that case technically isn't he 15,000,000 buttpicks infront? Federer has not accumulated too many of those points.

zagor

11-14-2009, 07:48 AM

So how many points is Nadal behind Federer then when the WTF starts?

Here's a post explaining Nadal's and Fed's chance at finishing #1:

No, Federer can win a match but then Nadal has to win London (with 1 match lost maximum).

He needs to get 1000 points more than Fed.

Fed can even make the semifinals by winning 2 round robin matches (400 points) and then Nadal can win the tournament undefeated (1500 points) and he'd be ahead in the rankings.

Also, Nadal's playing Davis Cup.

There's points up for grab there. In fact, Nadal could only win 800 points more than Federer in London but make up for it in Davis Cup and finish 2009 as #1.

It's more likely than you think, zagor.

Still, not too likely. It depends more on Federer than Nadal.

For the record, I'd hope that Nadal wouldn't become #1 without defeating Federer.
If Nadal meets Federer in the semifinals and beats him on the way to winning London, then he'd be more deserving of the #1 spot. Any other scenario would be a hollow #1 position, IMO, until Nadal actually beats Federer to take the spot away from him- like he did in 2008.

Chadwixx

11-14-2009, 09:29 AM

At 23, when he is supposedly in his prime, at number 2 in the world, and being touted as mentally strong and a physical beast, after the match today, Nadal is definitely GOAT.

#3 in the world, djok is now #2.

vanity

11-14-2009, 09:31 AM

Um, that doesn't make much sense really? How can winning a tournament where others lose make him the best in the world? surely that theory could apply to anyone?
If he wins, it'll just prove he was the best at that particular tournament

Yeah, this guy doesn't make sense eventhough i'm a Nadal fan.

sureshs

11-14-2009, 09:44 AM

Guess it was just a hypothetical question

wasta

11-14-2009, 09:46 AM

Guess it was just a hypothetical question

nadal proved he should retire.

Blinkism

11-14-2009, 09:50 AM

#3 in the world, djok is now #2.

How's that?

samster

11-14-2009, 10:04 AM

Federer, Djokovic, Murray and Del Potro, the top players, were all entered.

If Nadal wins this, it is convincing proof that he is the best in the world.

Before you say "He did not beat Federer," remember when Federer won FO and W, he did not beat Nadal. If then it was OK to declare him the GOAT with 15 Slams in spite of Nadal not being around, it should be OK to consider Nadal the best in the world if he wins Paris indoors.