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Which 2 players from the aforementioned quartet should be starting selections
If 3 were chosen who should be left as an upgrade target.

That's a very interesting stat on McGovern, 17 point increase in scores in losses. Don't suppose you have his win vs loss for away games in hand do you mate?

For me Simpson is the one te be left out, I'm a long time Simmo fan but I think the Blues game plan has gone past the "get it to Simmo to get it out of the defensive 50" He's 33 and comes full priced and I just don't see any upside in selecting him in our starting squads.

That's a very interesting stat on McGovern, 17 point increase in scores in losses. Don't suppose you have his win vs loss for away games in hand do you mate?

For me Simpson is the one te be left out, I'm a long time Simmo fan but I think the Blues game plan has gone past the "get it to Simmo to get it out of the defensive 50" He's 33 and comes full priced and I just don't see any upside in selecting him in our starting squads.

Howe (4%) and Tuohy (6%) are two options that haven't really got traction on this thread.

Unless I'm missing something, I can't see a lot of downside risk with either*. I admit that they're not about to break a glass ceiling either, but given the chat about whether Laibberd are overpriced they seem like good options if you want to go skinny in Def and load up on super premos in mid. Alternatively, as a D2 or D3 that gives you a good shot at top 10 defs and reasonable at top 6.

Does anybody have any thoughts on either/both?

*Howe has had an interrupted pre-season, however so has Heeney and this hasn't stopped punters flocking to him.

The defenders is the line that I have been tinkering with most structure wise this year mostly because of the fact that I do not like any of the premiums outside of Hibberd and Laird. Luckily, enough rookies have showed up to make the 2-06 a viable structure but it is one that I am wary of.

For this reason I have been looking at some value picks and breakout contenders to supplement the rookies and the one that I keep getting back to is Jacob Weitering. He has elit kicking skills, in his 3rd year, looked to play that floating defender role in the JLT and is a natural leader who I think will be one of many beneficiaries in Docs absence this year. Also, if I pick him the $ saved can either allow me to start Danger rd 1 or have enough left over cash to get Danger in 1 trade.

So I guess my question is can anybody talk me out or into starting him as I am currently on the fence
(I'm pretty easy to influence!)

The defenders is the line that I have been tinkering with most structure wise this year mostly because of the fact that I do not like any of the premiums outside of Hibberd and Laird. Luckily, enough rookies have showed up to make the 2-06 a viable structure but it is one that I am wary of.

For this reason I have been looking at some value picks and breakout contenders to supplement the rookies and the one that I keep getting back to is Jacob Weitering. He has elit kicking skills, in his 3rd year, looked to play that floating defender role in the JLT and is a natural leader who I think will be one of many beneficiaries in Docs absence this year. Also, if I pick him the $ saved can either allow me to start Danger rd 1 or have enough left over cash to get Danger in 1 trade.

So I guess my question is can anybody talk me out or into starting him as I am currently on the fence
(I'm pretty easy to influence!)

He's not a bad punt. Good job security, hasn't missed many games. You could also look at Brayshaw and Thurlow who give you more flexibility with dual position, cheaper and a later bye that helps the sideways trade.
But if the premiums look bad then maybe your expectations of a premium have to be altered. 90 ppg, 20-21 games could be a premium. Does that change your view of the other options?

The defenders is the line that I have been tinkering with most structure wise this year mostly because of the fact that I do not like any of the premiums outside of Hibberd and Laird. Luckily, enough rookies have showed up to make the 2-06 a viable structure but it is one that I am wary of.

For this reason I have been looking at some value picks and breakout contenders to supplement the rookies and the one that I keep getting back to is Jacob Weitering. He has elit kicking skills, in his 3rd year, looked to play that floating defender role in the JLT and is a natural leader who I think will be one of many beneficiaries in Docs absence this year. Also, if I pick him the $ saved can either allow me to start Danger rd 1 or have enough left over cash to get Danger in 1 trade.

So I guess my question is can anybody talk me out or into starting him as I am currently on the fence
(I'm pretty easy to influence!)

Nice one mate, i thought i was the only one who was keen on him.

Sitting at D3 behind Laird and Hibberd for me at the moment but whether i run with him come lockout is probably a different story. Similar reasons to yourself i reckon he's a real chance to breakout but the really down games is what has me not completely locked on him.

Sitting at D3 behind Laird and Hibberd for me at the moment but whether i run with him come lockout is probably a different story. Similar reasons to yourself i reckon he's a real chance to breakout but the really down games is what has me not completely locked on him.

I may look at Lloyd/Savage/McG instead and look to bring in Hibbo and Laird later cos i hate looking at their starting prices!

Awesome analysis IDIG! Interesting how those poor scores during the year were playing as a seventh defender but against the Hawks in JLT2 playing the same role he was prolific. Hopefully there is less experimentation at the blues this year and he can settle in.

Yeah looking at the prices of Laird and Hibberd does make me wonder if there is value elsewhere. I'm Also looking at Lloyd and if I am not starting Laird then I am willing to cop the rd 14 bye.
Savage is not one in my radar and think he might be fools gold but there are plenty of better coaches than me with him in their side.

Awesome analysis IDIG! Interesting how those poor scores during the year were playing as a seventh defender but against the Hawks in JLT2 playing the same role he was prolific. Hopefully there is less experimentation at the blues this year and he can settle in.

Yeah looking at the prices of Laird and Hibberd does make me wonder if there is value elsewhere. I'm Also looking at Lloyd and if I am not starting Laird then I am willing to cop the rd 14 bye.
Savage is not one in my radar and think he might be fools gold but there are plenty of better coaches than me with him in their side.

Yeah i agree, Savage has the potential to make us look very silly! Someone mentioned the Montagna role and since then he continues to keep making his way back into my side.

If he does settle in as a backman, i think a breakout is well on the cards. With Doc out, it may also allow him to pick up a couple of extra possessions loose that he may not have been able to if he was there.

If he does settle in as a backman, i think a breakout is well on the cards. With Doc out, it may also allow him to pick up a couple of extra possessions loose that he may not have been able to if he was there.

Definitely worth consideration - also like McGrath with the suggestsed midfield minutes increase and then was very bullish on Burton prior to the JLT however as it stands Weitering is atop of the list which is risky but hey where's the fun without the risk!!
Happy with all other lines just this one I can't seem to get quite right...

Howe (4%) and Tuohy (6%) are two options that haven't really got traction on this thread.

Unless I'm missing something, I can't see a lot of downside risk with either*. I admit that they're not about to break a glass ceiling either, but given the chat about whether Laibberd are overpriced they seem like good options if you want to go skinny in Def and load up on super premos in mid. Alternatively, as a D2 or D3 that gives you a good shot at top 10 defs and reasonable at top 6.

Does anybody have any thoughts on either/both?

*Howe has had an interrupted pre-season, however so has Heeney and this hasn't stopped punters flocking to him.

I had Howe last year and would be looking seriously at him again if I wasn’t concerned about Moore/other changes affecting his role.

As for Tuohy, I think there are worse picks you could make, but also a few better ones (and we probably only need 2-3 def keepers). Probably warranted more discussion than he has received, but potentially dominated by others unless you think he can improve a reasonable amount. Also has the R14 bye.

One advantage of both is that they’re very durable. If we’re running 2 premiums and 6 rookies down back with not much backup, we will want those 2 premiums to be getting on the park each week!

Any changes in role that you've noticed in particular? As far as I can tell from JLT and other commentary it all looks really settled to me so maybe I've missed something.

Re Tuohy - rd14 bye is very valid, but should be more settled at the club, is very durable, and just can't see a huge amount of downside for a D3 or even a cash-saving D2.

No problem. I haven't seen the Pies play yet this season, it was more that adding someone like Moore (tall, presumably in a marking role?) added risk, and Howe scores best when playing back ... we don't want him moved forward to fill a hole there, for example.

I largely agree re Tuohy, although I'd probably like to see a bit more to indicate he will improve again. He's 28 and seemed to score similarly both halves of last season, so I don't see much downside but he probably doesn't scream a lot of upside either.

Callum Mills' long wait for a crack in the midfield might be over as Sydney implements the next phase of its midfield regeneration.
With Josh Kennedy, Luke Parker and Dan Hannebery leading the way, the Swans still have one of the most potent on-ball brigades in the league but are looking to give more opportunities for several youngsters who have completed lengthy apprenticeships.

Big break: Swan Callum Mills is set for greater exposure in the midfield.Photo: Quinn Rooney

Among those set for a longer run in the middle are 2016 Rising Star winner Mills, George Hewett, Zak Jones, Tom Papley and Nic Newman. The first four are all around the 40 to 50-game mark while Newman made his debut last year and is in his fourth season at the club.
It continues a steady changeover for the Swans, who have transitioned former captains Jarrad McVeigh and Kieren Jack out of the middle in recent years.
The courageous Mills has long been thought of as a midfield prospect but has cut his teeth at league level across half-back, where his precise kicking has been crucial coming out of defence.

Callum Mills' long wait for a crack in the midfield might be over as Sydney implements the next phase of its midfield regeneration.
With Josh Kennedy, Luke Parker and Dan Hannebery leading the way, the Swans still have one of the most potent on-ball brigades in the league but are looking to give more opportunities for several youngsters who have completed lengthy apprenticeships.

Big break: Swan Callum Mills is set for greater exposure in the midfield.Photo: Quinn Rooney

Among those set for a longer run in the middle are 2016 Rising Star winner Mills, George Hewett, Zak Jones, Tom Papley and Nic Newman. The first four are all around the 40 to 50-game mark while Newman made his debut last year and is in his fourth season at the club.
It continues a steady changeover for the Swans, who have transitioned former captains Jarrad McVeigh and Kieren Jack out of the middle in recent years.
The courageous Mills has long been thought of as a midfield prospect but has cut his teeth at league level across half-back, where his precise kicking has been crucial coming out of defence.