I've been egged on to start this thread for the BFP'S from Napro. I got my BFP yesterday and am still in shock!! took my 11-12mths of charting to get this far. I would be nice to chat to other BFP'S and see how all are doing.

Hannansoph: D19 today 4me. Should ave monitor within da wk. Think I will use it next cycle and donate reminder of previous pk to a friend who is nearing that crossroads 'ivf versus napro'. Really hope she gets preg naturally over da summer months while waitin 4 consultants appoint.

dollhouse, I know what you mean about the downer brought on by the negative tones of the other thread, I cant put my finger on it, maybe cause it was a bit agressive in tone??? or maybe i'm seeing things that aren't there, I dont know....

When I get my bfp, I think I will be very selective about what I read on here before my scans, I think you are right, you do not need anymore stress than is necessary at this time:-) feel free to post whatever you want though, remember we are always here for you:-) and its fine to be down when you are preg too you know, its not just an emotion for us ttc'ers!!!

gillgalway, was lovely to meet you and cant wait to get started with the cbfm tomorrow.... just think, if it gets me my bfp, you'll have helped to get me preg! lol!! dont know what dh will think about that! you looked so healthy and calm, and yes the bump is definitlely a bump:-)

taormina, when are you expecting to get your cbfm? will you get it in time to start using it on your next cycle? where are you in cycle anyway?

smd, i'm sure you'll be fine, some people dont get any syptoms at all for entire preg (apart from growing bump that is)..... I do think we know too much though girls and that does make the first few weeks much harder.... and the whole ttc process too....a friend of mine had mc a month ago (trying for her first baby) and she is blessedly ignorant of hormone levels, opks, temping, cbfms, drugs, the trauma of waiting month after month for cycles to return to normal etc etc etc.... I really hope she doesnt have to go through a year of ttc after her mc like i've had to so far....

but what can you do, you cant go back and unlearn it all again:-) if only....

Dollhouse: You most def need to look after yourself and little one. I too know how you feel. I have said plenty of times I wud not look at the discussion board and am not even pregnant! My dh thinks its not good for me.You are in my thoughts. Come back to us when you meet your little one and tell all :-)x

Chicago great to hear from you I was actually coming on to have a quick look to see if you had been on as I knew your scan was yesterday. It is fantastic that all is well.

Dollhouse I 100% know what you are saying and stressing about, I was the same with ds eventhough I had nothing to worry about. I too stopped looking at the boards till after the 12 week mark as the bad news made me worse so you need to do whatever it is that makes it easier and better for you.

smd I have more than a little bump as Hannansoph can testify I have a full on bump. In case you are worrying about lack of symptoms don't as apart from the 5 month bump I still don't have any.

your not been selfish. You are just concerned for you and your little one. Its a very worring time, you are trying to be happy but at the same time stressing about what could happen. I think taking a break form the thread would be good for you until you have your first scan. We are always here if you need us. Remember your hormons are all over the place at the mo.

Smd The clinic is in a big old house on the left side of lesson st upper heading out of city centre. Its just after a bend in the road that veers to the right. There is no number on the door. Its the first white house after the lights with steps leading to a black door. Fertilitycare is on the door. He just has a room there. I thought it was nice, its not as modern as galway but has a relaxed feel to it. I didn't see any parking around. There are some on street parking but you would be lucky to get this depending on what time of the day your appointment is. You can always park in any of the car parks at st stephens green area and walk to the clinic. Its about a 15 -20 minute walk.

chicago – absolutely delighted for you  , glad you have reached this important milestone – finally you sound like you can put your worries aside and begin to enjoy it all – good on you girl.

smd – fantastic that is it all confirmed for you – It was the same for me, four weeks for scan not three, but I had put this down to them being busy with appts. I will be 8.5 weeks then, I can’t wait either - the days are passing sooo slowly, but look on the bright side, that little bit further along you are the better chance of seeing/hearing heartbeat .

hi everyone else - 2ww’s how are you doing? fingers, toes and eyes crossed for you .

girls – to be honest I am feeling a bit down and put off from posting on the boards at the moment. I think I have passed the initial cheshire cat grin stage of getting bfp, passed the excitement of discussing when we tell (or not tell) people and the excitement of exploring all those baby things we need to buy ( I know ‘tis early – but it is our first) and now feel a little odd about things. I think it is a mixture of, first, all the talk about miscarriages and scans on the news lately and reading the tone of the other thread discussion (some points I agree with and yes should be highlighted– it is just the tone of some posts that bother me). For the first time of posting here, I feel like I am being judged in anything I put down – not by you guys, in fact I have found so much support in chatting to you guys – even when I was being completely silly at times having a down day. It is just in relation to other thread, again not the topic, I feel maybe a better debate could have been achieved if the tone was a little more welcoming – there was more I wanted to contribute/ask in relation to the debate but felt I had to stop myself in order to reduce the stress it was invoking, and mind me and beanie at the moment. I am at that point of finding myself getting upbeat about it and chatting about plans and then another voice comes into my head saying steady there now it is early days. I am not sure if these thoughts torture other expectant mothers or not – or is just that, for ladies like us, we have been and continue to be exposed to all the long-term problems of ttc.Maybe I am just having an emotional day – but I think I might take a break for a while to try to stay positive about things until I get to that scan. Work is also quiet for me at the moment so too much time to think!! Sorry for the downer – especially in my position – I feel maybe I have no right in posting this either taking all into consideration !! - see there is my feelings getting all mixed up again, just wish the days would go faster …Sending you guys lots of love in any case, will be thinking of all you guys and wishing you all the best, will come back in a few weeks and let you know how things are going and hopefully I won't be sounding so selfish at that stage, hugs > > xx

Taormina glad you gor sorted too. Your very percise in ov timing, i wish i was.

Boober thats great about the ft, you keep that dh of your busy this week!!How is the Dublin clinic looking? Is it hard to get too and what about parking? Thats were we will be going for our first scan (please god all being well).

Gillgalway that was very good of you to think on us and give away your luck cbfm. Hope you and your dh are coming to terms now the loss of your fil. Have you got a little bump yet?

Fleury, Joy, Probaby and all i missed hope your enjoying the weather.

Well just got my Pk+7 results back and P - 69.7 and Oest - 727. But i'm not sure if they were PK +7, if it was i got my bfp on Pk+11. I'#ll not get my other results until next monday, seems so far away.Done another test this morning and the 2nd line is still as strong as the last one. I was thinking of geting a clear+lue just to see it coming up and how many weeks, but i'm abit nervous about it incase the worst happens.Still not feeling any sickness, iknow it might be abit early yet, just wish i would get a sign that everything is going alright.

Morning all what a lovely morning. Chicago great to hear from you and thats fab news on your scan.

Well I had my ft done this morning with Dr Mc in Dublin. Day 10 today and on left one measuring 18mm and on right one measuring 13 mm so looks like the femara worked thank god. I was worried that none of it would have gotten into my system. So he said to take the trigger this Friday morning. So does that meant that Friday is my peak or Saturday is my peak? Getting confused now.

Chicago: That is SUPER news!!!! I am so thrilled for you. :-) :-) :-) Great feeling to be at that stage. Reading your post was my first real big smile of the day!!!! x

Gillgalway/Hannansoph: I just had my 1st cycle with Pregnyl this month and def ov'd 66 hrs post pregnyl. In my former treatment ovitrelle (trigger) I always ov'd between 36-40hrs. I would get period like cramps so always knew. So it can vary between meds I have found. That monitor is a lucky one hope it gets u a BFP Hannansoph.

hi all, sorry haven't been on in awhile - wanted to wiat to hvae yesterday out of the way! anyway all went well - according to their dates i am just 12 weeks yesterday and babs was measuring 13 +1, so we are thrilled! i just wanted to let ye know! so told the kids last night and our dds were jumping up and down! so pg all will go well until xmas!

i am trying to keep up on the posts here as i have missed so much... i have read that infamous post that everyone has been on about and i really hope we all just put it behind us, it was really disheartening (i mean we don't go around putting a neg spin on ivf - so why should someone bash napro?) but we have chosen this route for us and until we decide it is or isn't our chosen path - only we can decide! don't let one person put you off gals, follow your gut and know what you're doing is right for you! sure aren't gillgalway, smd and myself proof it CAN work!? anyway rant over, now let me see what i missed....

smd123- CONGRATULATIONS MY DEAR, BRILLIANT NEWS! i know we all say it, take every day for what it is, you are pregnant - be good to yourself! and the fact at the gp it was so strong is great news! it seems like july 7 won't come but it will! great stuff woman!

porbaby - those results sound great to me, i didn't get prog past 40 on the 2x i have gotten a bfp - so pg this is the month!

eddie, boober, bugsy, beeds,mpa, oh who else have i missed i am so sorry - how are ye? thinking of you all!

gillgalway - i will chekc on you on the other thread i am sure! hope you are well mrs!

oh and before i forget a HUGE congrats to leah and her little bundle - enjoy him mrs, the time will fly too quick - my little ds (napro miracle) is busy tearing into everything and just a dote as i am sure your little man is!

now i better go and get the clothes out to dry what a fab day! hopw everyone is well and if i haven't said it before thank you all so much for your support - this place is such a comfort to turn to! thank you all! xx

Hi Hannansoph yes you start the first month from cd5 and the second from cd9 I have the instuction book to give you too but it is easy to use.

There are batteries in it so to reset it you have to take those out completely. Put them back in and when you wake up cd3 you press the m button till it has moved to cd3. You then have a 6 hour window to test so either from 3 hours before you set on cd3 to 3 hours after and off you go. Also to save sticks once you get your first peak stop testing. The monitor is orogrammed to have two peaks in a row and then goes back to highs.

I was temping as well so discovered that until I went on clomid I wasn't ovulating till 48-72 hours after the lh surge. Once I was on clomid I ov'd the evening of the peak so be mindful of this when timing dtd.

I used to get all my stuff from altwoodpharmacy.com saved myself a fortune 20 test sticks were only 11 pounds and I think the monitor plus p+p and sticks was 74. Their pregnancy tests are also so much cheaper.

taormina, sorry I got picked, but glad you've got yourself one too! if you'd been picked I would have been straight on amazon myself. It would have been the ESB bill in my case:-)

Gillgalway, thanks so much again for this. I promise when I get my bfp and feel relatively safe I will pass it on again - share the love and all that......

intersesting about that altwood pharmacy site, hadn't heard of them, might put in an order....

I'm cd1 today, so picked up my drugs for this month, (thats the phone bill money gone too:-)). Gillgalway, will I be able to start using the monitor this month? CD 3 will be first morning i'll have it to use.... or is that too late?

Your post came at a great time for me.... been temping for about 8months now and slowly but gradually my sleeping patterns have become more and more disturbed. Last night was the worst ever. I was working til midnight anyway, couldn't get to sleep til 1, dogs woke me barking at 2am, then woke again literally every half hour til had to get up at 5.50am, so shattered now and I really do blame the temping. Woke up this morning thinking that I couldnt go on like this and was going to research cbfms this evening..... so your post was a bit of a miracle cause really dont have the spare cash for a new one right now....

HI TaorminaI have the cbfm and also find it brilliant. Well worth the money. Its maybe too late and you have it ordered but I got mine from altwoodpharmacy.co.uk cost £64.99 and the sticks are £14.99. They deliver to the south of ireland and are quick. Free delivery on orders over £100. I ordered pregnancy tests and vitmains etc at the same time and got the delivery free. NO harm to know for the future to reorder sticks if you need them but hopefully you wont. :-)

Thanks eddie05, porbaby for info. Took the plunge. Got it on amazon 104.05euro (incl 20 test sticks!) and delivery. Boots were 99.99 sterling on line. It was a toss up between my eircom bill and fertility monitor. Eircom bill will have to wait til payday!! Girls here in office laughing at me. Imagine if after this I discover am pregnant in 2 wks....

hi Taormina,i use the cb fertility mon and it is worth the money! being broke i did my research before buying one.don't go to b**ts. they are actually the most expensive for them and the sticks. nearly fell over when i saw the price of them. i don't know where you are in the country but there is a small little pharmacy here that is doing the monitors at about 20 euros cheaper and sticks about 7 euros cheaper than b**ts. pm me and i'll give you the details. it might be worth your while going to your own pharmacy and asking will they special order for you. you are spending a lot of money with them every month after all!

Anyone know where I can buy the Clear Blue Fertility Monitor at a reasonable price? Checked them out on line last week and they were so expensive? Are they really that good? Spent 28 euro on the digital smiley face ones...what a pile of CRAP! Wasted 4 of the seven sticks as they kept giving me the book symbol. Did everything right, perhaps just a faulty pack so then spent another 23 euro on the CB regular ones and they worked 4 me. Don't know about the rest of you but this time next year when its all over for me I think I will have won the lotto with all this extra money in my account! Sorry for the rant! just having a moment!

Smd I hope the time flys for you. Fingers crossed that fortune teller was right.

Got to speak to Dr Boyle this am. He just said to take 1 cyclogest at night from P+3 for 10 days on next cycle.I kinda guessed he say that so happy enough. Panic attack over .... only on p+9 so another while to wait... I'm very impatient this month.

Mpa1 - I take a bit of your progesterone and you can have a bit of my oestradiol. if only thinks were that simple. YOur results are very good. Remember Napro levels are higher than anywhere else.

hi girls,how are ye all keeping. sorry i dropped off the radar for a while. chose to bury my head in the sand for a while, wasn't coping well at all. it's lovely to read about the bfp's that have happened. smd, will be praying all is well for you. gillgalway, do you remember the lovely acupunturist you recommended? well hubby has been seeing him and he has made a huge difference to the count, motility etc. hopefully it will be enough. he has also been under the knife since i spoke to ye all last so maybe if God is good this month?? hi everyone i haven't met. just read your comments on the other thread. am off to have a look at those now and see what the buzz is!! you would swear i had no work to do. take care girls. it's nice to be back.

Hi girls just wanted to say that I have a clear blue fertility monitor that I will gladly pass on to someone who needs it. I don't want payment for it and I have some sticks for it as well. I am hoping I won't need it again and it might help someone else.

Massie's post is pretty aggressive all right and she obviously feels strongly about it. But not everyone has the success with IVF that she had so there will be plenty of people with the same argument for IVF.

We all have to follow our own route and try and find the best fit for us. The reason I choose Napro was that a friend of mine who tried several rounds of IVF and then went to Napro really recommended Napro. Her only regret was that she didn't go when she was younger she didn't get a bfp but did adopt so thank God she has a little man.

Don't be disheartened girls there are no guarantees with anything in life so if you have invested time in Napro and don't get a BFP at least it is one other thing that you have tried and if it doesn't work you can decide armed with plenty of info what the best step is for you.

Hi Girls,Hope everyone is well, and a big welcome to MPA, its great to get the go ahead to ttc. Those bloods sound good, i think they say prog to be above 60 and the eost to be above 400 ithink, correct me if i'm wrong.Probaby, Fleury and boober hope you all are feeling a bit better today, and not letting that post get to you.Easier said than done, i know.

Well i got an email from Drmcs so he said to book in for a scan 4weeks after positive test, ( thought it was always 3 weeks) but anyway have booked on line for 7th July, its seems a life time away.I just wish i would feel sick or something, don't really feel any different.Girls do you remember the fortune teller, she said within either 2months/ 2years iwould be pregnant, i just hope im not clunching at straws here.Talk later, anyone near testing??

Hi all.Hannahsoph thanks for post. My measurement was 0.88cm. After I posted I rang Dr B and he was happy with that so has put my mind at ease a little. My bloods for last month P + 9 were very similar to that - Prog 114 and Oest 411. Dr B wasnt to concerned about it. He did however change my meds from clomid 50 mg by 4 days to Clomid 50 mg by 3 days. My oest without meds was 877 and had went down to 276 on femara. So 411 on the clomid was my best result so far.Maybe some of the other girls will be able to advise you better.Sorry Taormina forget you wish u happy birthday. I will be 35 also next Tues, 22nd June so we very similiar in age.Hope everyone else well :-)

For me, I have made my decision to stay with N@pro for a while longer. The drugs i've been put on are having the desired affect. I have come to terms with the fact that i'm not going to get preg 'naturally' quickly enough to prevent me going mad (am so impatient) and am ok with being drugged up, if it gets me the result I want.

fleury, its not possible for a post-menopausal woman to ov, That woman who got preg at 75 or whatever it was, had been taking drugs to hold off her natural menopause, I dont know if massie is right but probably was that you can give a post-menopausal woman a period using high high doses of fert drugs (which ones I dont know), but so what???? I dont see what that has to do with me using drugs to get preg when I'm not menopausal! I dont give a damn if my cycles go highwire again once I've got my bfp and had my precious babs, i'll worry about that then..... and if necessary i'll go down the same route again....

One thing massie's post have re-iterated though is how important it is to get FT done every month to make sure the drugs are having the desired affect and not causing cysts etc to form. I am going to insist on being scanned every month I think, even if my cycles get like clockwork. I dont see why they would mind, i'm paying after all!

taormina, congrats on your birthday!!

smd congrats on the confirmation of your preg, really really hope this is the stickiest bean:-)

porbaby, your prog isn't so bad, many clinics would say that is perfectly high enough!

MPA welcome back! thats great you got the go ahead to ttc this month..... is that 0.88cm? Dr B said to me at my ft scan recently that anything over 0.75cm is fine. So that sounds good to me:-)

got my bloods back today - apparently due to staff shortages (feck you Ms H@rney!!) UCHG is going to have to prioritise blood tests now so it could be a 1-2wk wait for day21 results anymore here in Galway:-(

Hi Porbaby, ok the progesterone is not sky-high - but it is ok, mine is usually like that, and of course you would prefer it to be higher, but is not bad, not too bad. See what they say tomorrow, when you ring them. I feel just like you - I wish I hadn't read that thread, and now it is all I can think of. Dr B told me initially that I wouldn't be a candidate for IVF with my high FSH, and so.... this is it, for us. No pressure then!

Taormina, birthday girl, I have been told that I am pre-menopausal also (I was 37 in December) and this has been on the cards for about a year - I don't know where I stand right now, ignorance is bliss, but I am very fearful too. The only thing that keeps me sane is that Dr B said that I am in with a good chance. What scares me most is what was said on the other thread - about even a person over 50, post menopausal, could have periods with the drugs that they use at Napro - and that as soon as you stop the drugs, you are back to square one. This really is frightening, and I think I had been lulled into a false sense of security, by Dr B taking me on, and giving me some hope, and by the fact that the drugs are making me ovulate every month - but if they could make a post-menopausal woman ovulate, am I kidding myself? Could this really be true?

Welcome back MPA1 - I am only a few days ahead of you, as is Porbaby, so we can compare notes along the way!

Boober, it is probably better that you are only getting a high on your monitor now - do you really usually get a high on cd6 - sure I wouldn't even be finished AF by then, so the extra few days will be beneficial in helping your womb lining to build up, surely? I am the same as you Boober - I decided to give Napro a year, and I started in January - so we are about half way through - but I can see myself moving the goal posts a bit, if necessary, by next December! I would be so lost, if I have to let Napro go, as this is our last chance, I think.

SMD - you are keeping all our spirits up at the moment - that is just wonderful that you have a lovely strong second line on your test, such great news (I guess that 10KL the other day was really a great sign for you - I will be having my eyes peeled at the end of my tww!!) (though I often get it anyway, and it is not the lovely sign I would wish for!!) Glad it worked for you though. And thanks for the positive vibes, you are dead right, we need to keep positive. Isn't that right Boober and Porbaby?

Hopefully we will all be able to put this behind us, and forget about the upset that has been caused, and concentrate on how great it is when one of us get a BFP - so keep smiling on us SMD. Like I said to Dollhouse, I hope your bfp is infectious and contagious, like my little fella's chicken pox!

I am with you fluery & Boober2 on that post .... it really threw me ...we will be with napro 2yrs in dec and had set that as our deadline. I was really trying not to think about it but it is all I can think about since I read it.

Just got me results too which has me in a complete state. O=663.9 but P=45.3 (blessed that I can get them so quick)I think since dec08 I have had only 2 month where my prog was under 60. My problem has always been trying to stablilse the Oestradiol. I'm feckin really put out by the progesterone especially since I had two really good follicles this month. I will ring Dr B in the morning to see what he says. I was expecting mega hugh progesterone. sh!t sh!t sh!t

Taormina - we are always twins I will be 35 on 24th of June.....dreading it already.

Boober/Fluery: We gotta stay positive girls. I know it's difficult. Posts like those don't help. I have exhausted all other options bar IVF. There are pros and cons to all methods. I too am caught for time. I am going to have an early menopause confirmed by 2 x LAPs. Turned 35 today! I feel ur pain. Being in the 35+ bracket really hurts when reflecting on stats out there. Negative thoughts won't help us progress. I really hope things happen for you soon. You are not alone. xx

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Welcome back MPA1! Best of luck ttc this cycle. I am D17 today! Hopefully we will ave news in ~2wks together :-)

smd123: Its so amazing I am over the moon for you. Great to have it confirmed by GP. I think I'd ave to tell the world or I'd burst :-)

Hi everyone I havent posted in a long while now but have been checking in on you all from time to time. Firstly congrats to all the BFP, delighted for you all, its great to hear the success stories. Hope all is settled down again for you Gillgalway. We were given the go ahead to ttc this month by Dr B. So am just starting my 2ww. I am cycle day 15 now. I got FT this month but bit worried as the uterus lining was 0.88. Nurse thought that was a bit low. I have had two mc in the past year which didnt get past 5 1/2 weeks so just bit worried that this may have been our problem in past. I am on cyclogest so hopefully this will help. Good luck to the other girls on your 2ww probably and fleury and anyone else I have forgotten. Hopefully we will have some more good news to share soon.Hello to everyone else. : -)

Boober and Fluery, i know all this negative talk is so hard to take, but try and think of all the positive stories. And you know how important it is to be positive in yourselves. I so sorry you've had to read that thread. Please god both of you will be posting your success stories soon.

Well had all confirmed at my own doctors, and if you remember last time i got my bfp the doctors test was very faint, and this time it is alot stronger, so i praying that is a good sign.!!!Still finding it so strange, have to keep reminding myself.Dh left this morning so will not be back until sat 26th, we were not going to tell our families until we got the scan done, but i don't think i can keep it to myself, i might visit my closest sister tonight and tell her.Still haven't heard from drmcs, just want to get a date now for the scan.Thanks again girls for all the good wishes. xx

Hi Fleury, I feel exactly the same way you do. The moment I read it doubt came into my mind. I asked dh should we do ivf and of course that brought up aload of other issues. I just wish like you I haden't read it.

We are committed to Napro now and we really feel that we have to see it out until the end of the year. We got further with them than on our own. I'm just afraid that ivf will not work for us either. We don't want a donor egg we want to use our own. I think we have to be positive and throw ourself back into it and believe that it will work. I'm getting scanned this wed morning and on Friday night. Not my ideal days as it day 10 and 11 and should be day 11 and 13.

I too am using the cb monitor. I normally get a high on day 6 and only got a high today d8. This is all very head wrecking. Its a pity the government didn't support couples better with fertility issues. Any ho thats my moan out of the way:-)

Thanks Porbaby - I don't have that monitor - and really don't want to spend any more money on ttc - it is costing me so much already!! But yes, stands to reason that Peak day would be the day after you trigger.

I have to admit that I am very shaken by Massie's thread about Napro - I am not upset that she posted what she did, but I am sorry that I have read it, because it has really scared me, I really see myself in her shoes in a short while, and IVF is not an option for us, can hardly afford to feed the kids as it is! But maybe it was a reality check that I needed - I have put so much faith in Napro, and really felt so positive, especially when I read about girls here getting their BFP through Napro, but then, having read Massie's story - it has really scared me. I need to remember people like Waevey, and even Bops (best of luck Bops, if you are reading!) that have finished Napro, but still feel full of enthusiasm for it. I guess I am just having a bit of a wobbly.!

Thanks Porbaby - yes, this tww is dragging - hopefully the sunshine will come out (as promised) and it will sooth our frazzled nerves! Are you on CD 21 too? Think we are on the same hymn-sheet this month, maybe we should start lighting candles for each other!

Fluery,Tamorina.....I use the clearblue monitor every month and this month it read peak the day after I took the trigger hcg . (I triggered fri night and got peak on sat morning...had been getting high before the trigger)I wonder would it help ye with knowing when to take the trigger. I plan to use it next month again and trigger when I get the peak.

The monitor always reads (once you get your peak ) the next day as peak and following day as high.I wrote down my peak day for napro as the sunday which was my 2nd peak on monitor. It usually is the last day I see ewcm anyway.I could never use opks.I hope this makes sense.

Hello to all naprottes.

On p+8 got bloods done this morning ...should have results this pm so hope they'll but good. this is longest 2ww ever.

Fleury: Actually that makes alot of sense. I guess when you consider you ovulate 36-40hrs post trigger, then next day would be closer to your peak? I took trigger Sat 9pm on D15. Kind of a shot in the dark without a csan really (pardon the pun!)? Lots of bding going on since yester! Think Dr B was basing D15 on previous cycles which makes sense.

Hi dollhouse it is being left for another thread to discuss but when im mentioned on here think i can reply to that if thats ok.Fleury it def is diffcult for peole on here when im speaking neg about napro.I don't have grievances at all i have experience and views on napro. I posted to help women over 40 not to take this route as id be childless now, thank god im in my very early 30's and had time to go down other routes i feel blessed age was on my side after napro.Baby dust to all women on here in your journeys x

Hi all - oh SMD - I am still delighted for you! What a gorgeous way to tell your dh - aren't you so thoughtful - he must be as thrilled as you. All is well now, relax into it and mind yourself (I know, easier said than done, but do your best!).

Taormina - and Boober - I don't mean to contradict you Boober, and you might be right, but I asked Dr McS this very question when I was being tracked, I triggered on CD15, and he said to consider the next day Peak day, for bloods etc. So that is what I have been doing. Those damn opks don't work for me either. I am a little surprised that they told you just to trigger on CD15 Taormina, maybe they were just going on your usual cycle length or whatever. I triggered on CD15 this month too, because it was the day that I triggered when I was being tracked...I find the whole thing so frustrating and annoying, not knowing, and putting these drugs into my system, and then all the bding, when you don't really know for sure if you have timed it right. Oh well, rant over! Best of luck with it anyway - please God you will hit the jackpot. AND more importantly today - a very very Happy Birthday to you Taormina - are you doing anything nice to celebrate??

Oh Boober - you poor thing - it might still be ok - hopefully you had a nice empty tummy when you took the femera (I always take mine first thing on CD3, don't know why!). But even if you didn't, after 4 and half hours, I would say that the majority of them were absorbed - sure they are tiny!! Please God it won't be a wasted month for you. No chance of you being scanned this month, is there? To see if they are working?

Hi Massie - I agree with you that, of course, you have a right to voice your opinion, and to air your disappointment and grievances - and I think that putting up your own thread was the best way to go about it - I wish you all the luck in the world with your new journey. And I understand how you feel the need to point out to others that it isn't always a fairy-tale ending with Napro, and that you feel it might not be the best choice for people, if time is not on their side. But, I suppose it is hard for people who are under going treatment with Napro to have to hear/listen to someone who is very negative about it - we have all come to Napro for different reasons, and hearing someone being so negative about it is difficult.

I am just sorry that Napro didnt work out for you, and I guess when I see it in black and white that it didn't work for you after two years, that it scared me a little. I feel very much like Boober - that this is our last chance, and that is why I am putting so much faith in Napro. I know it doesn't work for everyone, and you are only stating your reality, but I guess that is what I find hardest, the reality of it not working out.

Hi Gillgalway and Chicago - are ye ok? Hello too to Porbaby, Dollhouse, Beeds, Bops (if you are still reading!) Bugsy (how are you getting on with the cyclogest?) amd everyone else.

Hi girls - only have a few minutes to post -happy birthday Taormina !!oh smd - fantastic !!!! I am delighted for you :-) - it really feels funny when it happens doesn't it? - absolutely thrilled for you !!now - can we keep it up girls - one bfp a week ... ;-)gotta go....

Boober and Taormina i missed both of your posts, sorry.Boober yeah i finished the antibiotics, you never know this month might work for you too, as i thought we had no hope this month and wasn't even trying. That was a lovely post for napro.Thanks both of you for your kind words.Taormina it can be a bit confusing, but give yourself a couple of months at it and you'll be flying.

And Thanks for asking after me and dh, i did have apost done last night, but lost it and was too tired to do another, so here it goes.

Dh came back from cycling and i told him to come out to the computer room, and told i knew what iwanted for christmas and showed him a picture of a pram, he looked at it and was about to say you need to get pregnant first, and then i pulled out the positive hpt, he was in shock, he still is and me too. It really doesn't seem as if it is happening.Did another one this morning and yip came up straight away. I have an appointment on with my own dr this morning to confirm and get bloods done. Although its not my normal dr, but he'll have to do.Tried phoning dublin fertility care, but just got the answer machine, so i have sent drmcs an email. So just waiting patiently for him to get back to me.Hope you all had a good weekend.That other napro thread is not good, i get very hot and bothered over things like this, but what can you do, i suppose everyone is aloud to voice their apinion.Oh Hannohsoph and dollhouse you both did us very proud the way unes spoke up for napro. Good on unes, hope we get more positives stories on it aswell.Oh and thanks to Leah who i'm sure is so busy with her own little family, she still found time to come out and support napro.