Tuesday, June 16, 2009 1:59:23 PMBaalthazaq: Well god in all his wisdom must understand that quite a few generations of humans have passed since even the most recent acknowledged holy text came in to being and that a dusty old text filled with contradiction and cryptic metaphors doesn't have the same impact on a educated person today as compared to 1500 years ago when it hit the shelves and literacy was about as usual as motorized lawnmowers.

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 1:55:05 PMWhy can't people just agree to disagree and not fight over it? I have my own beliefs, and I am totally ok if other people have different beliefs, as long as they don't try to force their beliefs on me or disrespect me just because i believe something different. All the name-calling and insults aren't necessary. It is possible to have an intellectual debate without disrespecting each other (yes intellectual because a person isn't stupid just because they don't share your ideas). Unfortunately, some people just get way too defensive that they have to resort to insults and yelling. I give props to everyone who posted their answer on here without insulting or disrespecting other people's beliefs. I also give props to those who have a sense of humor about it.

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 1:52:14 PMKorea: Indeed, I've never seen a 12 page response to Pascal's Wager... oh wait...yes I have, every time it comes up.

Megido: Assuming even the most favorable calculations on a cosmic scale (ironically, the YEC view here is most favourable to you), God last gave his message to his creation 23 God-years ago.

Using biblical sources, God last gave his message to his creation 2 days ago.

Using cosmic sources, God last gave his message to his creation 21 minutes ago assuming Jesus was the last time he did so. 15 minutes ago if you assume Mohammed, and a few seconds ago if you take some of the most recent varieties.

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 1:43:22 PMYou know what? I had a post here, but I didn't want it to fan the flame war that much. Only look if you're willing to argue with a level head. :)

Teddybear, I hope you know that Angels & Demons isn't the greatest source for a religious argument. Good quote, too. Because it basically answers your question."Why was the devil allowed into the Garden of Eden if He knew that Adam and Eve were going to disobey?".It's the whole idea of free will, and think of it from a personal perspective: Honestly what would you like better, to be loved non-genuinely (like a gold digger)or to be loved willfully and genuinely? So by giving them choice, they must have been given the option of good or bad. They chose bad - it was their choice, not God's.

k10josumm:I realize Zeitgeist is a compelling video. However, most of their historians were either very poor, didn't live around the time of Jesus, or were novelists. It's not all that much of a credible source.

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 1:34:29 PM"Free will"so then God is just a tremendous dick, that let's his creation run around in the dark with only vague evidence of existence. What a lovely guy. If God means business i think it's about time for the second coming or some poo. God doesn't have much ground to stand on anymore, what with science actually accelerating and uncovering more and more mysteries.

Also the fact that we don't know where the universe came from does not equal god exists, as per usual that just starts the infinite regress; then where did god come from?

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 1:02:29 PMYou're ridiculous and this whole conversation is ridiculous. All from some itty bitty dino! 12 PAGES...is this a record? Not of a video....not on an article....on a pic of a dinosaur and a question! Go figure!

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:59:20 PMAlso, I gotta say, I'm appreciating some of the shorter comments people have left. I did my typical "bla blah blah" full page rant to basically say what a lot of people have said in 4 words.

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:51:26 PMI'd say that saying as you "HATE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE" and that me and Prime are "Religious people" at least some of your comments are headed our way, and I think it is more than reasonable for us to respond.

Similarly, I didn't ask you to respond, I just called you names. Are you suggesting that when people insult you, you feel some sort of obligation to respond and/or defend yourself?

If only I had some parallel I could draw between what you did and what I... oh wait there it is!

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:49:22 PMThere is no such thing as "religious debate" since faith can't be debated/proved (thats thier handy out), its simply the difference between superstitous people and rational people. FSM FTW

I am the best kept secret on the internet. My mission to monitor unnecessary religious debate activity on the internet.I am your best, last, and only line of defence.I work in secret, I exist in shadow.

And I dress in just shorts, cos I'm usually at home with just the wife arou... cough. I mean in black...

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:25:01 PMWhat did I contribute? My opinion...or is that NOT allowed these days? What did YOU contribute?And yes it may be bigoted, okay you can have that. But I am basing my statement on my experiences that I have had for the 29 years I have been on this earth with religious people. My step-grandfather is a drating minister who is the f*uck*ing devil incarnate. I am not on this "fad" of denouncing god just for the hell of it! And if you have such an issue with me and my comments why the drat are you responding to them. YOU MY FRIEND, STARTING THIS BY RESPONDING TO MY COMMENTS. I didn't say, "well Baalthazaq, please respond to my comments cause what you think is so drating important to me". "Can I be like you one day?" Nope, I gave my opinion and you had to put your 2 cents in about my comment. Also, why do you keep bringing up racism and the KKK? I am really done with this conversation because it drating grated on my nerves all day.

"my theory is that god didnt create the universe get REAL!"Ok so the universe came out of no where and we are all here just because....makes sense. *throws the Law of Conservation of Matter out the door*

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:09:49 PM"Besides, more ppl have died in the name of god then in any other war. Think about it, is religion even useful in any senario?.... (I'll answer for you, NO)"

So you are basically saying if we all have the same belief the world would be better? You are a drating genius grasshopper. I vote for the Allied Atheist Alliance for the United Atheist League. And I'll fight you for it.

"I mean like, why 6 days instead of say 10 or even 1. If its an unspecified amount of time then what would be the point in saying 6?"

7 Had a special meaning at that time.

"Honestly, what plausible reason could god have for not just coming down to earth, smiting all the draters in need of smiting then saving the remaining god-fearing people?"

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:05:39 PM"I disagree...and what world are you living in?"A world where im sitting at home watching Golf on TV, typing a comment on IAB, drinking bottled water and waiting for my pizza to come. Life is drating beautiful

"I HATE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE. They have no tolerance for anything or anyone."The comedic irony is making me giggle.

"Go convert some natives while your priests rape little boys."

You do realize that the majority of sex offenders are actually not Catholic priest and the only reason they get so much attention is because of added media coverage

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:04:27 PMMy point Korea, is that your bigotry is no different to the bigotry racists have. No difference whatsoever, except that it is your prejudices instead of someone else's.

You would be quick to denounce a racist comment, and even quick to denounce someone who attacked your worldview, but you don't see your own prejudices, because attacking religion is currently politically correct, especially in places like IAB.

You don't understand that it is bigotry.

You didn't contribute anything to the debate, you merely stated your all caps hatred for another group of people based on their opinions, and furthermore stereotyped them.

Identical to any KKK justification about why their prejudices are acceptable. They're not.

Incidentally, anyone arguing with my "sound in a vacuum" point, please notice it has a big freaking arrow pointing to it saying that it is retarded. The arrow may be relevant.