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We talked about how it's good to measure a jersey you love then ask the mf'er to measure theirs that way too. That's if you can get the mf'er's salesperson to care enough to go get a jersey in a particular size, then you trust them to measure the chest at the armpits. But even bad measurements will come closer than wild guesses most of the time.

That's where I've come to have my opinions and where I changed my saying "if on the border go UP a size" to "if on the border go DOWN a size." I think the sunlit leaves and deep violet are smaller by an inch in the SHORTsleeve and half an inch in the sleeveLESS. The original sky and most recent tangerine are about the same size I think. My figures differed from yours by an inch, which might be from how much we stretched the fabric, whether we measured it on a horizontal surface or hanging, and other factors. I think the arm holes may be a bit roomier on the tangerine too, but last year's sleeveLESS were remade based on our complaints so this is likely not relevant or at least accurate, so I'll leave that out of the measurements. I got these figures for the chest just below the sleeves on a flat (but soft, unfortunately) surface, avoiding stretching the fabric...

Tangerine

sleeveLESS

23.5

Sunlit Leaves

sleeveLESS

23

Deep Violet

sleeveLESS

23

Sky

sleeveLESS

23.5

Tangerine

SHORTsleeve

24

Sunlit Leaves

SHORTsleeve

23

Deep Violet

SHORTsleeve

23

Sky

SHORTsleeve

24

I don't trust the mf'er's size chart yet, so until I do we'll go with what we've used before and just change the borderline cases from choose down to choose up, to repeat it again.

As far off as the measurements are, we both come to the same conclusion about the Tangerine being larger than the previous two years, and I learned what I've felt some days in my stomach...that the sky jersey was just a bit more forgiving. Now how this relates to the future, I don't know for sure, but I'm willing to say I think jersey creep is on...to save our pride if nothing else.

[No worries if those who have jerseys already don't want to share measurements, but could any of you who have the previous jerseys share chest measurements and the size you get, how you like things to fit (tight or loose), and how the tangerine/pyrocantha or other jersey fit relative to that? Again no worries if you aren't up to it!]
The measurements show that last year's sleeveLESS ran a little larger...about a half inch to maybe an inch in the XL size compared with the Iris and Sunlit Leaves. It's tough to measure stretchy fabric but it seems the Sky edition in 2005 was about the same size as the Tangerine.
The SHORTsleeve ran a little larger by about an inch by my measurements than the Iris or Sunlit Leaves, but again about the same as the Sky edition.
That's why I say if you're on the border between sizes, go DOWN a size this year to account for the difference. I'll put up a size chart when I can check on it with the manufacturer but at this point the above is what I know.
One point to say is that these are CLUB FIT (RELAXED) NOT PRO FIT. In Pro fit I'd be XXX or some such. These have always run about like sizes you'd find for Starter or Champion or Nike "active this or that" jerseys you'd find in Wall of China Mart and elsewhere, but NOT the ones that mimic Under Armour.
More on this as SOON as possible, including maybe some measurements if I can humble myself...chest only and you can imagine the rest...now where's that tape measure?

Marianne...after looking at some of last year's A2A FNS & Saturday photos, I think you look like you'd be a size smaller than me.
I have typically ordered the large jersey each year but last year's ran a little larger, due to the change in style (raglan). So my orange sleeveless that I wear now is a medium. I am going to go with a medium again this year, but I think I'm bigger than you (broader shoulders & hips, and longer torso).

Now way, that is around 85 km/h eebee is right you guys are crazy. The most I ever did was around 65 km/h on 80mm wheels. How long was the ride in total that day? I checked out the hill part on Google Earth, looks delicious. I think, I would like to ride it a couple of times before doing it in a tuck…and then… probably chicken out. LOL

It sounds like a marvelous time, except… for the tent in the half a foot of water… did you bring more then one pair of skates, or did they dry out over night. I remember 24 Montreal 2008 hating to slip back into dose damp skates even with dry socks.  Wow 10’000 Riders! How come you where the only skater? I have never heard of Ragbrai before your post. I am sure they don’t have a problem with filling in the open spots.