They help the other 94% of our planetary cohabs get with the fucking program, is what. Without an ideology to guide them, they'd go the way of the neandertals.

I'm quite sure that's the rationalization.

And it sure helped in 1939.

Oh, point.

So how do you propose we keep ideologies from the masses?

I don't. I am uninterested in saving the masses.

That's Payne's job, anyway, and he's dead.

He didn't learn from Curly's fate. Or Jesus. Or MLK. Or Gandhi. Or Malcolm X. Or John Dillinger.

The masses don't want to be saved, and they'll kill you if you try.

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"Greetings, my friend. We are all interested in the future, for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. And remember my friend, future events such as these will affect you in the future. You are interested in the unknown... the mysterious. The unexplainable. That is why you are here. And now, for the first time, we are bringing to you, the full story of what happened on that fateful day. We are bringing you all the evidence, based only on the secret testimony, of the miserable souls, who survived this terrifying ordeal. The incidents, the places. My friend, we cannot keep this a secret any longer. Let us punish the guilty. Let us reward the innocent. My friend, can your heart stand the shocking facts of grave robbers from outer space?"

They help the other 94% of our planetary cohabs get with the fucking program, is what. Without an ideology to guide them, they'd go the way of the neandertals.

I'm quite sure that's the rationalization.

And it sure helped in 1939.

Oh, point.

So how do you propose we keep ideologies from the masses?

At the risk of sounding pinealist, by keeping them confused.

Sounds workable.

Now we need a formula to induce severe cognitive dissonance on a nationwide scale.

I'm going to disagree, and state that any confusion we engender should be aimed at making their ideologies fail faster.

This just makes me think of the classic Daffy vs. Bugs cartoon where they're going at it over what hunting season it is - Rabbit Season! Duck Season! Rabbit Season!

... and then Bugs confuses Daffy into forcing Fudd to shoot him because he becomes CONVINCED it's Duck Season.

THAT is how confusion should be used - make them blow their own damn fool heads off. It's the only way to wake them up that has a hope of working. And if it doesn't, at least they got their damn fool heads blown off while we laugh.

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People of the United States! We are Unitarian Jihad! We can strike without warning. Pockets of reasonableness and harmony will appear as if from nowhere! Nice people will run the government again! There will be coffee and cookies in the Gandhi Room after the revolution.

Arguing with a Unitarian Universalist is like mud wrestling a pig. Pretty soon you realize the pig likes it.

They help the other 94% of our planetary cohabs get with the fucking program, is what. Without an ideology to guide them, they'd go the way of the neandertals.

I'm quite sure that's the rationalization.

And it sure helped in 1939.

Oh, point.

So how do you propose we keep ideologies from the masses?

I don't. I am uninterested in saving the masses.

I'd settle for saving myself from the masses.

That's a different matter entirely. I think the trick is to find the blind spots, the holes, in their ideology, and camp out there.

Yeah, that sounds nice. But, how does that look in practice?

I'm working for big oil, fucking off a lot for large bank, and being recognized as a "key player".

You tell me.

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"Greetings, my friend. We are all interested in the future, for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. And remember my friend, future events such as these will affect you in the future. You are interested in the unknown... the mysterious. The unexplainable. That is why you are here. And now, for the first time, we are bringing to you, the full story of what happened on that fateful day. We are bringing you all the evidence, based only on the secret testimony, of the miserable souls, who survived this terrifying ordeal. The incidents, the places. My friend, we cannot keep this a secret any longer. Let us punish the guilty. Let us reward the innocent. My friend, can your heart stand the shocking facts of grave robbers from outer space?"

Okay. So, I also identify as a Unitarian Universalist, Religious Naturalist and Insect Systematist. How are those things incompatible with Discordianism?

Which one of those do you DO, and which do you base your self-worth and/or personal existence on?

I don't stake my self worth or personal existence on identities.

Then we have a misunderstanding of terms. We're arguing the same point.

Yet I still do identify as these things.

No, you may adhere to them, but you would still be Kai without them.

Contrast that with, say, Memnoch, who wouldn't exist if he couldn't be a "conservative".

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"Greetings, my friend. We are all interested in the future, for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. And remember my friend, future events such as these will affect you in the future. You are interested in the unknown... the mysterious. The unexplainable. That is why you are here. And now, for the first time, we are bringing to you, the full story of what happened on that fateful day. We are bringing you all the evidence, based only on the secret testimony, of the miserable souls, who survived this terrifying ordeal. The incidents, the places. My friend, we cannot keep this a secret any longer. Let us punish the guilty. Let us reward the innocent. My friend, can your heart stand the shocking facts of grave robbers from outer space?"

They help the other 94% of our planetary cohabs get with the fucking program, is what. Without an ideology to guide them, they'd go the way of the neandertals.

I'm quite sure that's the rationalization.

And it sure helped in 1939.

Oh, point.

So how do you propose we keep ideologies from the masses?

At the risk of sounding pinealist, by keeping them confused.

Sounds workable.

Now we need a formula to induce severe cognitive dissonance on a nationwide scale.

I'm going to disagree, and state that any confusion we engender should be aimed at making their ideologies fail faster.

This just makes me think of the classic Daffy vs. Bugs cartoon where they're going at it over what hunting season it is - Rabbit Season! Duck Season! Rabbit Season!

... and then Bugs confuses Daffy into forcing Fudd to shoot him because he becomes CONVINCED it's Duck Season.

THAT is how confusion should be used - make them blow their own damn fool heads off. It's the only way to wake them up that has a hope of working. And if it doesn't, at least they got their damn fool heads blown off while we laugh.

Oh, yeeeeah. That gives me an idea.

Logged

"Greetings, my friend. We are all interested in the future, for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. And remember my friend, future events such as these will affect you in the future. You are interested in the unknown... the mysterious. The unexplainable. That is why you are here. And now, for the first time, we are bringing to you, the full story of what happened on that fateful day. We are bringing you all the evidence, based only on the secret testimony, of the miserable souls, who survived this terrifying ordeal. The incidents, the places. My friend, we cannot keep this a secret any longer. Let us punish the guilty. Let us reward the innocent. My friend, can your heart stand the shocking facts of grave robbers from outer space?"

"Get offa me, you freaks! This is not North Korea. No. This is America, and I expect to be PAID for that sort of nonsense. In advance. No credit...Cash on the barrelhead or GTFO. I swear to God, there's nothing more annoying than commie perverts who don't understand the intrinsic value of the free market system."

"Greetings, my friend. We are all interested in the future, for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. And remember my friend, future events such as these will affect you in the future. You are interested in the unknown... the mysterious. The unexplainable. That is why you are here. And now, for the first time, we are bringing to you, the full story of what happened on that fateful day. We are bringing you all the evidence, based only on the secret testimony, of the miserable souls, who survived this terrifying ordeal. The incidents, the places. My friend, we cannot keep this a secret any longer. Let us punish the guilty. Let us reward the innocent. My friend, can your heart stand the shocking facts of grave robbers from outer space?"

Interesting point: When dealing with outlandish noobs, we could ask them what they'd be without Discordianism.

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"Greetings, my friend. We are all interested in the future, for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. And remember my friend, future events such as these will affect you in the future. You are interested in the unknown... the mysterious. The unexplainable. That is why you are here. And now, for the first time, we are bringing to you, the full story of what happened on that fateful day. We are bringing you all the evidence, based only on the secret testimony, of the miserable souls, who survived this terrifying ordeal. The incidents, the places. My friend, we cannot keep this a secret any longer. Let us punish the guilty. Let us reward the innocent. My friend, can your heart stand the shocking facts of grave robbers from outer space?"

One thing I enjoyed about the original recipe PD is how it defines Discordia in five ways. You know, Chaos, Discord, Confusion, Bureaucracy, Aftermath.

Focusing only on the 'discord' aspect as the basis for the whole religion is similar to the Eristic delusion.

Couple of things: I don't put any stock in the "Eristic delusion". It sounds like someone trying to hippie out of the darker side of chaos.

Second thing: I never said "only". I asked what the root word was. There's obviously plenty more to it.

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"Greetings, my friend. We are all interested in the future, for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. And remember my friend, future events such as these will affect you in the future. You are interested in the unknown... the mysterious. The unexplainable. That is why you are here. And now, for the first time, we are bringing to you, the full story of what happened on that fateful day. We are bringing you all the evidence, based only on the secret testimony, of the miserable souls, who survived this terrifying ordeal. The incidents, the places. My friend, we cannot keep this a secret any longer. Let us punish the guilty. Let us reward the innocent. My friend, can your heart stand the shocking facts of grave robbers from outer space?"

Interesting point: When dealing with outlandish noobs, we could ask them what they'd be without Discordianism.

POINT!

What am I without Discordianism? Same twisted little fuck but with less people on my wavelength.

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Ass-Kicking & Foot-Stomping Ancient Master of SHIT FUCK FUCK FUCKAwful and Bent Behemothic Results of Last Night's Painful Squat.High Altitude Haggis-Filled Sex Bucket From Beyond Time and Space.Internet Monkey Person of Filthy and Immoral Pygmy-Porn Wart ContagionOctomom Auxillary Heat Exchanger Repairmanwalking the fine line line between genius and batshit fucking crazy"And National Geographic got interested because National Geographic has the theory that the last century, discovery was basically finding things, and in this century, discovery is basically making things."-- Stewart Brand

One thing I enjoyed about the original recipe PD is how it defines Discordia in five ways. You know, Chaos, Discord, Confusion, Bureaucracy, Aftermath.

Focusing only on the 'discord' aspect as the basis for the whole religion is similar to the Eristic delusion.

Couple of things: I don't put any stock in the "Eristic delusion". It sounds like someone trying to hippie out of the darker side of chaos.

Second thing: I never said "only". I asked what the root word was. There's obviously plenty more to it.

"In some sense". Discordia is preeminently a postmodern religion. Lacking an authoritative doctrine is what makes it ideal for breaking out of the monkey traps and simultaneously using an undue amount of laughable hippie crap.

Interesting point: When dealing with outlandish noobs, we could ask them what they'd be without Discordianism.

POINT!

What am I without Discordianism? Same twisted little fuck but with less people on my wavelength.

This. I'm still me. The only difference is, I'd have less people to laugh with.

Logged

"Greetings, my friend. We are all interested in the future, for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. And remember my friend, future events such as these will affect you in the future. You are interested in the unknown... the mysterious. The unexplainable. That is why you are here. And now, for the first time, we are bringing to you, the full story of what happened on that fateful day. We are bringing you all the evidence, based only on the secret testimony, of the miserable souls, who survived this terrifying ordeal. The incidents, the places. My friend, we cannot keep this a secret any longer. Let us punish the guilty. Let us reward the innocent. My friend, can your heart stand the shocking facts of grave robbers from outer space?"