Just a reminder... Kevin Feige said about Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver:

We both have them. There's a specific arrangement with those two characters that would allow us to use them with "Avengers," but not discuss or reference their mutant or Magneto-related lineage. They can use them as mutants and as Magneto's relatives, but cannot have anything to do with "The Avengers."

Just a reminder... Kevin Feige said about Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver:

We both have them. There's a specific arrangement with those two characters that would allow us to use them with "Avengers," but not discuss or reference their mutant or Magneto-related lineage. They can use them as mutants and as Magneto's relatives, but cannot have anything to do with "The Avengers."

Yeah, that's the way I've always understood the way Feige said it, and I'm glad he clarified. A lot of posters here were still under the illusion that it's an either-or thing, but he clearly shows that BOTH Marvel and Fox can do their own versions of Wanda & Pietro, within those limits he stated.

Eh.... too much baggage. There are other supporting characters in the stables. Wonder Man, Ms. Marvel, Pym, etc. No need to bring in mutants or radically alter their background. Mutants don't fit the MCU... not yet.

Eh.... too much baggage. There are other supporting characters in the stables. Wonder Man, Ms. Marvel, Pym, etc. No need to bring in mutants or radically alter their background. Mutants don't fit the MCU... not yet.

It's supposed to be a smaller more personal movie, so the villain has got to be someone who can connect with the heroes very personally. I would say either the Masters of Evil or Ultron.

Ulton is the best choice, IMO. While Masters of Evil would be interesting, it's a lot of villains. Ultron could end up being a creation of SHIELD's experiments with the tesseract and maybe some work from Banner and Stark.

For those that want Ultron......i think it's pretty clear who the villain in A2 will be....and it's not Ultron

I don't think it's clear. How do you reconcile that with Whedon's plans for a smaller more personal sequel?

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Ulton is the best choice, IMO. While Masters of Evil would be interesting, it's a lot of villains. Ultron could end up being a creation of SHIELD's experiments with the tesseract and maybe some work from Banner and Stark.

Because honestly, there's no reason to bring Pym in, IMO.

Wow, what a refreshing perspective! Most people are like "No, Ultron MUST be of Pym, Pym NAO!!!!1!"

I personally would love if the Avengers, corporately, were responsible for Ultron's creation. Perhaps it starts with Jarvis, corrupted by a judgment call/mistake Cap makes in his film, and powered by the Cube that Thor lets slip away/gives up, that copies Black Widow and Hawkeye's training (perhaps shades of Super-Adaptoid, perhaps Super-Adaptoid is his Mark I version!)... maybe even some Vibranium as his shell from Black Panther (since Adamantium is owned by Fox)... all that good stuff.

That way, when Ultron starts pulling personnel files and really tearing up the characters emotionally, they have an emotional tie to him already.

If Thanos is the villain of 2, it's not the film Whedon wants to make. That's for sure. I'll take the word of the filmmaker as well as Marvel's desire to make this a long lasting universe over an easter egg, which could easily be a set up for a very long term plan.

Besides, you'll be waiting till the end of the world for Pym to show up. He's not going to.

And putting Thanos in the next one...there'd be no where to go but down from that. I'll stick to my prediction

I would not be surprised if the tease of Thanos was really just a tease and he might not be the villain in The Avengers 2. Considering how the Marvel Studios heads keep saying that Edgar Wright is near completion or is completed with the Ant-Man script, there is a possibility of them adding Ultron for The Avengers 2 and then Thanos for the third. This would only work if they decided not to go with the Civil War storyline for The Avengers 3 (Kevin Feige talked about it).

If Thanos is the villain of 2, it's not the film Whedon wants to make. That's for sure. I'll take the word of the filmmaker as well as Marvel's desire to make this a long lasting universe over an easter egg, which could easily be a set up for a very long term plan.

Besides, you'll be waiting till the end of the world for Pym to show up. He's not going to.

And putting Thanos in the next one...there'd be no where to go but down from that. I'll stick to my prediction

Agreed on all points. Just because You-Know-Who made a cameo appearance, that doesn't mean that he's going to be the villain in Avengers 2. Think of him like Emperor Palpatine in Star Wars. He's mentioned, but he doesn't actually become a physical threat until the last film of the trilogy. Likewise, Thanos is the sort of villain that you build up to and end a trilogy on. There's no way he's going to be the halfway point villain and cap it off with Ultron. Not only would that completely deflate Thanos, but it doesn't make narrative sense. You build tension. You don't deflate it in your third act. And going from Thanos, a harbinger of universal armageddon, to Ultron, who'd probably be the MCU version of Skynet, would be a massive deflation of whatever tension they build up over the series.

Not to mention the announcement of the cosmic films they're planning, like Guardians of the Galaxy. They're not going to do away with Thanos so quickly when they have a movie coming out which has no less than FOUR characters who're personally tied to him in one way or another (Moondragon's family was killed by Thanos, Drax was created to destroy Thanos, Gamora was raised by Thanos, and Adam Warlock is the Avatar of Life and opposite number to Thanos, the Avatar of Death). Bringing Thanos into Avengers 2 and defeating him would be a complete waste when there's a cosmic movie coming which can potentially make use of him as well.

Eh.... too much baggage. There are other supporting characters in the stables. Wonder Man, Ms. Marvel, Pym, etc. No need to bring in mutants or radically alter their background. Mutants don't fit the MCU... not yet.

The thing is, they don't need to be brought in specifically as "mutants" (I'm sure they'd still referencing their powers as a manifestation) or alter their background too much.

Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are a pivotal part of The Avengers world, and as we saw in the cartoon Wolverine and the X-Men, both characters can be pretty badass.

My problem with characters like Wonder Man or Ms Marvel (though I'd never argue against more chicks) is that they're so 'super powered' and 'otherworldly' we already have characters like Thor and Hulk who are mega-ridiculously-powered.

My problem with Ant Man and Wasp is that I just don't think tiny people would translate well to a non-animated film. Personally I'd rather just not see them.

Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are both incredibly unique when looking at the rest of the Avengers, and their powers could be visually appealing. Plus, putting Scarlet Witch in could set up for an Avengers 3 or 4 where she goes bat**** crazy and who wouldn't want to see that?

If we were to have Wonder Man and Ms Marvel in an Avengers film, I'd rather have them as Simon Williams and Carol Danvers who help or assist the Avengers/SHIELD in the 2nd film and during the course of the film something happens to them, setting them up for superheroes in Avengers 3. For Ant Man and Wasp, I'd rather just not go there. Ever. lol.

I think going forward they should have a story arc somehow involving Thanos in every solo Avenger movie until A2.

Good gawd, no. The *only* non-Avengers movie I could see him featuring in would be the Guardians of the Galaxy film in development, or possibly even Thor. He has no role in the solo exploits of Cap, Iron Man, or Hulk.

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He is the right villain to use in my opinion. At least until Hank Pym is introduced. IMO Ultron doesn't work without Hank, besides he is the gateway to bringing in the Vision.

I agree on the rest of it. I'm tired of hearing all this Ant-Man hate & denial...Pym *is* on the way, like it or not. And with him comes Ultron. You can't have one without the other, no matter how badly you want to retcon the Marvel Universe.

Agreed on all points. Just because You-Know-Who made a cameo appearance, that doesn't mean that he's going to be the villain in Avengers 2. Think of him like Emperor Palpatine in Star Wars. He's mentioned, but he doesn't actually become a physical threat until the last film of the trilogy. Likewise, Thanos is the sort of villain that you build up to and end a trilogy on. There's no way he's going to be the halfway point villain and cap it off with Ultron. Not only would that completely deflate Thanos, but it doesn't make narrative sense. You build tension. You don't deflate it in your third act. And going from Thanos, a harbinger of universal armageddon, to Ultron, who'd probably be the MCU version of Skynet, would be a massive deflation of whatever tension they build up over the series.

Not to mention the announcement of the cosmic films they're planning, like Guardians of the Galaxy. They're not going to do away with Thanos so quickly when they have a movie coming out which has no less than FOUR characters who're personally tied to him in one way or another (Moondragon's family was killed by Thanos, Drax was created to destroy Thanos, Gamora was raised by Thanos, and Adam Warlock is the Avatar of Life and opposite number to Thanos, the Avatar of Death). Bringing Thanos into Avengers 2 and defeating him would be a complete waste when there's a cosmic movie coming which can potentially make use of him as well.

Clearly, people are put far too much stock in Thanos being in the after credits scene for The Avengers. Why in the heck would Marvel use Thanos as the villain for Avengers 2 when he's the ultimate bad guy?

"Oh let's use Thanos in Avengers 2 then bring out the big guns in Avengers 3....uhhh who's bigger than Thanos?" <------ Makes no sense

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My problem with characters like Wonder Man or Ms Marvel (though I'd never argue against more chicks) is that they're so 'super powered' and 'otherworldly' we already have characters like Thor and Hulk who are mega-ridiculously-powered.

Definately

I'm pretty satisfied with Thor and Hulk being the high powered guys but if they do add WM or MM I'd rather it be Ms. Marvel.

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I agree on the rest of it. I'm tired of hearing all this Ant-Man hate & denial...Pym *is* on the way, like it or not. And with him comes Ultron. You can't have one without the other, no matter how badly you want to retcon the Marvel Universe.

Agreed

Hank Pym is TOO important to the Marvel universe to not be included, hell he was in even mentioned in THOR.