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After reading one of Omimon's spoilers about Hana, I have to ask, just what is Araragi's obsession(?) with Karen?
From my understanding, he would be inclined to persue some kind of romantic relationship with her if it was legal.
But then Senjougahara would have to kill them both.

-Character change-
Oh yeah, btw. If i'm remembering this correctly, the 1st cat is because of her family and the 2nd because of Araragi.

Then what is the 3rd cat about? Her house burning down?

Also, there is something Shikijin said that confused me a bit.
In Shiro, Hanekawa tells Araragi she loves him, but she's rejected because he loves Senjougahara.
Shikijin said that Hanekawa came to love him more then and that even though they loved each other, it didn't work out.
My question is, didn't Araragi realize in the end of Kuro that what he felt for Hanekawa wasn't love?
I take it from the way he talks that it's something like profound respect and he feels he has a huge debt to her.

After reading one of Omimon's spoilers about Hana, I have to ask, just what is Araragi's obsession(?) with Karen?
From my understanding, he would be inclined to persue some kind of romantic relationship with her if it was legal.
But then Senjougahara would have to kill them both.

-Character change-
Oh yeah, btw. If i'm remembering this correctly, the 1st cat is because of her family and the 2nd because of Araragi.

Personally though I don't favor any of the characters, so I'm taking this all in stride.

You're right about the date though, when does it take place?

The only anti-Hitagi sentiment you get is from omimon, which is nothing new.

Spoiler for koi:

I found Kaiki comparing Nadeko choice to Hitagi's choice during their confrontation really interesting. Whereas Hitagi wanted her emotions back even if they brought her immense pain, Nadeko consciously chose to be sheltered from hers. Despite the bad aftertaste of being trolled so badly, I really liked the insight we get into Kaiki's character.

Araragi's debt to Hanekawa comes from Kizu. Since then he has been indebted.

Wait, a non-romantic breakup? What is the mechanics of that?

Something I noticed, rather late, is how Araragi can say that the most important person to him, the person he loves the most, and the person(s) he wants to protect are not the same person at all. He puts Hanekawa on a pedestal, loves Senjougahara, and protects his sisters. Not to mention the person he has most fun with, Hachikuji. Or had.

Given his hero syndrome I know that he would always protect anyone, but hey, family comes first.

Given the hypothetical situation of him only being able to save Hanekawa or Senjougahara, he would be completely screwed.
Saves Hanekawa, she'll probably feel to guilty to make a move on him, not to mention if he'll be able to move on at all.
Saves Senjougahara, she probably breaks up with him because he didn't save the person he should save, from her POV, at least.

Something I noticed, rather late, is how Araragi can say that the most important person to him, the person he loves the most, and the person(s) he wants to protect are not the same person at all. He puts Hanekawa on a pedestal, loves Senjougahara, and protects his sisters. Not to mention the person he has most fun with, Hachikuji. Or had.

Given his hero syndrome I know that he would always protect anyone, but hey, family comes first.

Given the hypothetical situation of him only being able to save Hanekawa or Senjougahara, he would be completely screwed.
Saves Hanekawa, she'll probably feel to guilty to make a move on him, not to mention if he'll be able to move on at all.
Saves Senjougahara, she probably breaks up with him because he didn't save the person he should save, from her POV, at least.

Don't forget Shinobu, the person he wants to be with and die together.

Don't forget Shinobu, the person he wants to be with and die together.

That so, or are you trolling?

Spoiler for shinobu:

I know that there's a scene that's about how he realizes(?) that he and Shinobu are always going to be together or something like that and that he might as well get to know her. During a bath, I believe. But here is somthing I never quite got. What does Araragi see her as? And she him? I know nothing about her other than the revenge rampage of the chinese zombies chapters.

I know you adore Shinobu, but don't go trolling on me, Omimon.

Also, I have a question about Hanekawa.

Spoiler for hanekawa:

She said she loved Araragi, but why did she say it? Did she think she had a shot? She knew she didn't so she got it out of her chest?
And why was she rejected? Because Araragi loved Senjougahara, because for him she was on a pedestal, she loved both of them the same way but Senjougahara more, he didn't love her that way, what?
According to Bake and Kuro, he didn't love her but felt greatly indebt to her, hence respect, pedestals, and the very notion that she could be in love with him was completely rejected by him, at first, in Bake.
It's just that I never got the feeling that their relationship, from Ararari's POV at least, was anything more than platonical.
And also because he said in Bake that he couldn't sacrifice himself to make the cat go away partly because of Senjougahara.

Using crass words, one could simply say that Araragi loved Hanekawa. That's the reason why everyone thought Araragi was going to date her instead of Senjougahara.

Things simply didn't work out. I think the matter is that Hanekawa was going to help herself. Araragi couldn't help Kisshot. Senjougahara was the first girl he managed to actually help. That's the difference between Senjougahara and the others.

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Given the hypothetical situation of him only being able to save Hanekawa or Senjougahara, he would be completely screwed.

I think he would be going to save Hanekawa, while sending Shinobu to save Senjougahara

Hey novel readers, how far off is Shinobu from talking? Episode 4? 5? Or do we have to wait for the second half of Nise to see this? Also safe to say that Nise will have 4 OPs? Hitagi, Karen, Tsukihi and Shinobu? (Maaya <3)

Shinobu will talk in the next episode. I don't know how many OPs there will be. It is safe to say there should be at least Tsukihi OP, and it is very likely there will be even Shinobu OP, but I can't assure anything.

I know that there's a scene that's about how he realizes(?) that he and Shinobu are always going to be together or something like that and that he might as well get to know her. During a bath, I believe. But here is somthing I never quite got. What does Araragi see her as? And she him? I know nothing about her other than the revenge rampage of the chinese zombies chapters.

I know you adore Shinobu, but don't go trolling on me, Omimon.

Shinobu definitely loves him. Araragi sees her as his soulmate, quite literally I might add. Araragi have said repeatly that he'll kill himself if she dies. He fully intends to spend all of eternity with her.

BTW, my trolling only involves putting information out of context and is only direct at non-LN people. I never lie straight out.

Shinobu definitely loves him. Araragi sees her as his soulmate, quite literally I might add. Araragi have said repeatly that he'll kill himself if she dies. He fully intends to spend all of eternity with her.

BTW, my trolling only involves putting information out of context and is only direct at non-LN people. I never lie straight out.

So
He loves Senjougahara
The most important person to him is Hanekawa
His soul-mate is Shinobu
He wants to always be with Senjougahara
He know he will spend eternity with Shinobu

Whaaaaaat?

Wait. By using literally, are you saying it's because of the vampire connection and not romantic? Or at least one over the other?
Now that I think about it, maybe Senjougahara's relationship with Araragi is like Holo and Lawrence (sex-switch of course), minus the vampire.
They love and spend time with each other, but in the long run, one of them will die and the other will eventually move on but never forget.
So it's more a matter of enjoying the present and not being concerned about the future.
Or some sappy stuff like that.

I would really like to just forget the anime and just read the novels from the beginning, to maybe get another perspective. I am way too biased in favor of Senjougahara. It may blind me to the bigger picture.

I got to hand it to you though. In the long run, mybe 100 years or so Araragi might actually start something with Shinobu.

Shinobu will talk in the next episode. I don't know how many OPs there will be. It is safe to say there should be at least Tsukihi OP, and it is very likely there will be even Shinobu OP, but I can't assure anything.

Awesome, can't wait too see Shinobu finally join the verbal warfare that goes on in this show.

Oh a Tsukihi OP is something you can bet your house on, I'm just thinking that if Shinobu plays a somewhat major role in the 2nd half she'll get her own OP. IIRC she had a fairly big role.. but I read those spoilers years ago and considering this is airing now it's not something I want to reread. Would also be a waste to have the best singer of the female seiyuus not give us a song Though I guess a Maaya and Supercell collab for Kizumonogatari would be a no brainer...

So
He loves Senjougahara
The most important person to him is Hanekawa
His soul-mate is Shinobu
He wants to always be with Senjougahara
He know he will spend eternity with Shinobu
Whaaaaaat?Wait. By using literally, are you saying it's because of the vampire connection and not romantic? Or at least one over the other?
Now that I think about it, maybe Senjougahara's relationship with Araragi is like Holo and Lawrence (sex-switch of course), minus the vampire.
They love and spend time with each other, but in the long run, one of them will die and the other will eventually move on but never forget.
So it's more a matter of enjoying the present and not being concerned about the future. Or some sappy stuff like that.I would really like to just forget the anime and just read the novels from the beginning, to maybe get another perspective. I am way too biased in favor of Senjougahara. It may blind me to the bigger picture.

When I say eternity I actually mean ETERNITY. Shinobu and Araragi are vampires so even though they are both near-human, it's very likely they are immortals that can live forever. Kabuki have shown that when there is nothing left in the world that matters to them, they will travel the world and be together forever. Their relationship is confusing. It's not romantic but at the same they devote their very lives upon each other.

When I say eternity I actually mean ETERNITY. Shinobu and Araragi are vampires so even though they are both near-human, it's very likely they are immortals that can live forever. Kabuki have shown that when there is nothing left in the world that matters to them, they will travel the world and be together forever. Their relationship is confusing. It's not romantic but at the same they devote their very lives upon each other.

Well, Senjougahara's love, Hachikuji and Kanbaru's friendship, the power to protect and the ability to feed his hero syndrome and more, would he have any of that if it wasn't for the fact that he met shinobu that night?
He probably owes to her everything that happens from that night onwards, for better or worse.

Well, Senjougahara's love, Hachikuji and Kanbaru's friendship, the power to protect and the ability to feed his hero syndrome and more, would he have any of that if it wasn't for the fact that he met shinobu that night?
He probably owes to her everything that happens from that night onwards, for better or worse.

Yes and no. He was totally alright with being a loner and having no friends.