By now, most every productive American who pays any attention at all to important issues of the day is aware of the national debate concerning President Obama’s efforts to “reform healthcare.” What many productive Americans don’t yet know, unfortunately, is that the plan will ultimately lead to a complete governmentization of America’s healthcare industry. However, as the debate continues, more and more productive American’s are getting the message – and it’s obvious they don’t like what they are hearing.

This is the most biased articles that i have read about the health care so far. I guess I'm just not used to biased American news. I dont understand what is wrong with a national health system just like every other developed country in the world, America is behind the world with health care and needs to catch up.

Well Gael when you are on your death bed and there is a procedure that could save your life and you have some one who knows nothing about you or knows nothing medically and they decide if you get the procedure then what will you be thinking when they say NO!!!!! will it be oh crap what the heck was I thinking agreeing with those stupid people who wanted government control over health care? I know I would be.

And what, if on your death bed, there is a procedure that can save your life but you don't have insurance or you can't afford it? Those who profit from the pain and suffering of others want more and more every day that passes. I say government health care could be a good thing if you and I (the government) manage properly. Let's stop pretending that the government is some alien entity.

The government having some level of control wouldn't be any different that the control the insurance companies have now; and the insurance companies don't wait until you're old to deny you care. I had a friend who went to her doctor for over a year complaining about pressure in her sinuses. The Dr. tried treating her for all of the common ailments, but nothing worked. After a couple of months SHE asked the Dr. about getting a CAT scan or MRI of her head, but the insurance flatly refused pay for it (said it wasn't warranted). Finally, after struggling through it for over a year she started having seizures, and only then was she finally allowed to have a MRI. By then the MALIGNANT BRAIN TUMOR had grown to THE SIZE OF A TENNIS BALL, and she was dead about 8 weeks later. She was in her 50's. I personally don't consider that to be "near the end of life" age-wise, but thanks to the current system we have, it sure was for her. I don't know that the Dem's have it all figured out, but I do know what we have now does not work. There is already control and rationing of care by private insurance companies who are solely concerned with profits and liability. If the "rationing care" argument is the biggest issue to be had with the current reform legislation, I'll take my chances with something new.

Well, unlike "every developed country in the world", we have a strong and massive economy. It's so big, that when every country in the EU united, it barely went topped our GDP. America is better than every other country on this planet. I'd rather go bankrupt getting a tumor out of my brain than dying from it in a waiting line or in a hospital bed because Doctors are in short supply because the government doesn't pay them enough.

Turn the news to one channel and here about health care. Turn it to another channel and here something different about health care. Half the country is stupid and the other half is smart. Politicians lie! It is in there nature. Most of them are only in it for the power and the benefits and do not give a plug nickel for your views. When most of them vote on something, they are following the leader like a bunch of penguins, and have no idea exactly what they are voting on. After all, it is NOT going to affect them. If you stand against a bill then you are un-American. If you stand against a bill, you are exercising your right to free speech. Most of the people complaining against those people exercising their rights to question the health care bill have not even read the bill and have no idea what is in it. That means those people are putting their faith in people known to be in the business of representing the people only for the representatives own personal gain. The days of strong patriotic leadership disappeared with our American Forefathers. Most of the people exercising their right to question the bill have read and understood it correctly or incorrectly or have read some of it and have questions that are not being answered by leadership. After all, it will not affect the leadership because they will not participate in it.

The government does not own you health care. They do not owe you a job. They do not owe you any comforts of life. You on the other hand have the constitutional right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That means you can go out and pursue happiness but those that have already worked hard and achieved it does not have to share it with those to lazy to pursue it for themselves. Charity begins at home. With that statement, I mean that assistance like welfare or uninsured healthcare should fall under the state that you live in. The federal government collects taxes for social security and Medicare all through life for your retirement years. That should remain separate from the state because in retirement you are likely to live anywhere, and that should not fall under a state that perhaps you have just moved to for your retirement.. If “We the People” could keep government’s hands out of that money pot then that system would work fine. Yet they continue to reach in and leave IOUs and then say to us that the system is going broke. It is just another lie form those it doesn’t affect.

We are not witnessing a debate on health care. We are witnessing a power struggle in leadership. As far as I am concerned, every one of them needs to be replaced by honest people chosen by the people. Not those that choose to run for an office and seek support by lying to the people. However, I’m sure that most of you will say that is what happens today with our election system. That would be false. Some people run for power against another person running for power. Whoever baffles the people the most with lies and BS usually wins. Once in power it is extremely difficult, if not almost impossible, to remove them. Wake up and stop putting your faith in people that only consider you at election time.

Flag me to the White House if you wish. I am against the health care plan because the federal government has no business there. It should fall under the states if such a plan is necessary. For those of you continuing to be turned away or convinced, find out for yourselves how the plan works in Canada or England. But don’t forget you have to get the consensus from a diverse group of people, young and old and those in between. I bet you will find that those in the prime of life have no complaints but those older and retired people have to look for care in the USA or die. It all depends on whom you ask the question. Remember, our representatives have already made it known that they will not participate in the plan that is good enough for you. The writing is on the wall and the flag is up. If it is not good enough for them it should not be good enough for you. They are looking out for their own interest and not yours. Do you need to be hit in the head to see it?

Well, as a Canadian, I have had nothing but excellent care. I go to any Dr. of my choosing, specialists etc. We pay through our employmentnot our taxes. All that I see & read is so very slanted. Most recently my husband had major surgeries & my grandson had surgeries, my daughter had a scary pregnancy & her experience was excellent & we now have a beautiful grandbaby. What, pray tell is the difference from an HMO & Insurance company making the decision. They are in it for profits only. If you don't think they refuse services to your citizens read up. It is a shame the President is trying to ensure all people have a right to medical coverage. You call your selves the greatest country, but you are only for the priviledged. Shame on you. Everyone deserves medical coverage. The lies you are being told about Canada are untrue. The people Fox News show as Canadians are paid for their words. If you watched news sources outside of Fox, such as the BBC or other outiside sources you would all see the insurance companies are at the helm to ensure this does not go through. Republicans quit being scared of change & get some humanity. It's a pity..........I live in a free & wonderful country. There is no such idea as socialism. We care about & take care of all our citizens. Don't get mad open your mind. Don't believe all the propaganda you are being fed. READ.....inform yourselves.....

Well if the US government could run a healthcare program as well as Canada then we might would be ok but that is not the way ours would be run. I would suggest you study it as there are pages of stipulations in the Obama care plan. One interesting point is that anyone over the age of 65 would have to meet in person with a panel and a government official to determine how long the patient is expected to live before doing any major surgery. Ther is also an interesting point about the Govt coming in to the home of any new parents to see how you are raising your new child and monitor you at will. It’s outlined in sections 440 and 1904 of the House bill (Page 838), under the heading “home visitation programs for families with young children and families expecting children.” The programs (provided via grants to states) would educate parents on child behavior and parenting skills.

The bill says that the government agents, “well-trained and competent staff,” would “provide parents with knowledge of age-appropriate child development in cognitive, language, social, emotional, and motor domains … modeling, consulting, and coaching on parenting practices,” and “skills to interact with their child to enhance age-appropriate development.”
I will provide more examples:

Take your a$$ back to Canada and stay off Barnesville's paper thingy, blog, whatever this is. We dont need to hear how good Canada's health care is when yall steadliy cross the border to get emergency care here in the U.S.!

I don't believe you. I don't even believ you're from Canada. If you are you are just one voice. What do the others say. Especially the senior citizens. Don't make believe you're something you're not. Politicans lie enough we don't need citizens trrying to drive a point by speaking with forked toung. I already spoke with citizens from the UK, Canada, and Austraila. They all agree that the care is ok till you get older or get a condition thats going to cost a lot. When that happens then you're disposible. Its fine treating the common cold or belly ache when then can dianose and send you on your way with some pepto and an asprine. Just hope that is all you have though.

This canadian is a total bullcrap artist...very fictitious. Even if it were being honest, even Obama has said our healthcare could be nothing like Canadas (he said that in Mexico earlier this week.) I picked this up on Ireporter (at cnn.com.). I checked quite a few of them and they appear to be accurate. These are from the House healthcare bill...page 29, clear admission your healthcare will be rationed. page 30, a govt committee will decide treatments & benefits you get (and there is no appeal process like with present insurance). page 42 the "Health Care Commissioner" will decide your health benefits. page 50, all US citizens, legal or illegal, will receive equal benefits. page 58, every person will receive a National Health ID Card. page 59, the federal government will have access direct, real time access to all individual back accounts for electronic funds transfer. page 65, taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health funds (this one should make every American sick at their stomachs.) page 84, all private insurers must conform to govt rules to participate in Healthcare Exchange. page 239, reduces physician services for Medicaid. The list is longer but I am tired of typing but I think you get the jyst of it. To read house bill for yourself & to fact check for yourself...http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-billtext-071409.pdf

Thanks for correcting my mistake. I guess I should proof-read better. I'm guessing you are involved in education because you took the time to grade it. What about the reform? Would the way it is presented be a mistake? What grade do you give it? How about providing all of us your own pro/con comments.

Keep the blinders on People.
Just because you refuse to see the evils in it,
does NOT mean they aren't there.
Ask yourself this:
Why be in a such a big hurry to pass it???
IF it is that important, shouldn't we get it
right the first time?
Once again Read the Bill.
Public $ for abortions(birth control to liberals)= Liberal agenda.
That's What this bill is all about.
Healthcare reform is about controlling people,
under the disguise of taking care of them.
BooYAH.

The American Civil Liberties Union submitted comments today to the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) opposing its recent proposal to reverse current federal policy and allow the use of web tracking technologies, like cookies, on federal government websites. Cookies can be used to track an Internet user’s every click and are often linked across multiple websites; they frequently identify particular people.

Since 2000, it has been the policy of the federal government not to use such technology. But the OMB (under Obama)is now seeking to change that policy .....
here is the link:

I would like to point out that your statement is entirely false. As the moderator of many threads on barnesville.com I can assure you we delete (read: moderate) only those posts that show threat to any person by name, qualify as libel, or use extensive profanity.

Tom, I read my email and I responded to you at 10:06am. I could put the email address it went to (engineering firm, I assume) but that wouldn't be very polite of me.

I am not pretending something is not happening. My email says exactly that and asks a few questions for me to find out why the response is being bumped. My thought is that the links you are trying to embed do not allow pingbacks and are therefore being rejected by their server rather than ours.

I would appreciate if you would conduct your business with me personally either by calling our offices or stopping by rather than projecting your frustration on the forum. Thank you for understanding.

Sorry to comment in public Andrew, but you did make a statement in public there is no filtering. I see despite my direct e-mail you have not posted the comments I made.

Your reply e-mail never made it through. It is not in a spam filter. I checked.

I suppose a typical paranoid conspiracy theorist would think this is all planned, but the truth is it is very difficult to rely on Internet these days. Spammers have ruined it for legitimate users. Keep those paper presses rolling for now. :-)

No worries Tom. I suppose I got up on my haunches a bit posting back to you. I checked back through the comments made and all were approved. Here is my corrected statement.

I don't do any filtering purposely other than what I have stated before. Now, with that said, I am not the only moderator on this site and so sometimes a comment may be passed through or deleted without my knowledge. Likewise we have a company that manages the platform this site was built on and they may have an overlord filter that I am not aware of. I forwarded the email you originally sent to them to see if they recognized anything.

I do think it has to do with the pingbacks and links though.

I am sorry for the confusion and the misplaced moderation. Not my style at all.

I will keep the presses running as you wish. Although in this digital age it is more like I will keep those PDF's printing. hahahahahaha.

For decades Europe has been a beneficiary of excellent nationwide health care. It wasn't until the early 1960's that the English/British single payer system started to erode. This was caused be the introduction of legal immigration imported to drive London Buses and work on the railways. Deterioration has increased since the inception of the European Parliament dictates of the free flow of immigrants from impoverished nations of Northern Europe that has overrun the health care system. When I lived in England their was no co-pays, deductions or premiums, just insurance stamps that the employer and employee paid. I received 3 surgeries with no further cost to me. There was no anguish about debt collectors calling or ending up in front of a bankruptcy judge. As a child and a young man I choose my doctor and received eye and dentistry visits free of charges. One should remember that there a large majority of nefarious special interest groups, who enjoy the status quo and will fight with propaganda and lies against their profiteering.

Our "yes we will" President done went and flew another one under the radar while we are pre-occupied with the health care. It appears he is funding $200 million of tax payers money to bring people with ties to Hamas over to settle in the U.S.!

I'm sure that your mother, father, or grandparents approve of you wishing them to die because you want to eliminate a healthcare program they paid for all of their working life. When you finish paying for your car and home, I think the government should come take it away because you no longer make any payments. It's about the same. How about you pay insurance but when something happens and you need to use it, the insurance company tells you that you can't. All because that is what you wanted.

You need to engage your brain before you insert your IQ on a comment. I know you're looking for attention but you demonstrated the definition of dumb!

And 10.1, are you going to follow this person over a cliff when they use their irrational thinking to jump. You sound like you will. LOL back at ya!

Sarcasm my butt! You were trying to be mean. Medicare is what seniors paid for with their taxes all their working life. It's not a freebie. It's a service that has been paid for. Usually 40 - 50 years of work to have some confort without breaking the bank usually for 10 - 15 years of retirement. And they still have to purchase a supplement plan because of leadership pilferage.

Unless the plan is manditory for the government leadership writing the plan, the plan will be fought tooth and nail. If it's not good enough for them it's not good enough for me either.

Least we all forget where we are at, the USA now ranks someplace lower than 35th in the world for health care and overall health of its citizens. We now have the dubious distinction of being first in the world in cost, when cost is normalized to the GDP of every nation.

My own insurance for a generally healthy non-drinking non-smoking male is over 13,000 dollars a year, plus the deductions and co-pays. My insurance excludes both my eyes because my left eye's retina was detached early in life from a concussion injury when I was in a location where I could not get medical help. If I have a problem with an eye, I pay cash or go blind.

This is the broken expensive system some of us defend as "wonderful" or "world-class".

Other nations now are starting to look at us as fools. The British are getting tired of us lying about their health system.

Also read this article on the AARP website:

Let's not let lies and rumors planted by those who want to keep the status quo (we are number 1 in cost of care and less than 35th in quality in the world) ruin our best chance to improve our broken heath care system.

Tom you are entitled to your opinions and so is everyone else. I have read the same things you have and I have formed an entirely different opinion. I do agree health care has to be reformed but this bill is not it. But go ahead and keep your blinders on.

I got news for Mr. Obama, most of the citizens of this Country are far more intelligent than the idiots he has running his administration
and those in congress! This is proven at every Town-hall meeting attended by concerned voters! It is NOT a "Public Option"! Why not call it what it is, a GOVERNMENT-RUN option! The "Messiah" and his Henchmen in the media are very good at using words that won't upset us dumb little people out here. Only the Obamabots are naive enough to believe ANYTHING that comes from the mouth of the community-agitator-in-chief. Just Unbelievable!
Vote for me, Sarah Palin in 2012!!!
Vote Early and Vote Often!!!

YEAH!!! THE PARTYS OVER!!!
The Democratic Party that is...
If them Donkeys pass this bill it will
mean a referendumin in 2 years and
many in D.C. will be looking for a job!
The "I Told You So's" will never end.
The "Let them Eat Cake" mentality from the Barney Franks are causing a rukus.
The Sleeping Giants and soccer moms are finally waking up Ticked Off and in YOUR FACE!

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