No I still follow my religion in Canada....not everyone is strong willed. Its about respect. Would you respect a cow as much as a Hindu does? Would you find in awkward? If you don't and appreciate things, then you are absolutely free to do whatever you want.

I respect a cow as much as you respect a carrot.

I pray before I eat my food. Do you?

Do you know where your food comes from? How it gets to you? Do you grow your own food, or do you go to the supermarket and buy it? Do you know how the supermarket gets their food? Do you know how the supermarket suppliers grow their food? Do you know the by products of the food you eat? Do you know the externalities of the food you eat?

You pray for the food that was supplied to you from bad people who are working to squash good people.

Stop praying for that. I don't appreciate it.

There is no good and bad in hinduism. There is a deed and it has its action. That's it. I pray to food because again its energy. Nothing more, nothing less.

abstinence is with respect to sense pleasures, physically and mentally, going to grad school is my duty and shirking duty is a bigger sin, especially on the pretext of 'abstinence'. Abstinence doesn't bring you closer to truth. Its controls your mind which would then help you seek bigger answers in your life.

Yeah, I figured out that every religion has issues with the fact that human beings have the capacity to feel good and use this capacity to guilt and shame their followers.

You are very talented and likely (of course, I don't know) had a relatively good starting point in life. We call that the "lucky sperm club." What, then, is the duty of the impoverish who have to work for pennies in inhumane conditions in your country?

we don't guilt or shame anyone because we have the concept of karma and we have no concept of heaven or hell...do what you want and you will get what you deserve...everyone is damn free to do whatever he or she wants.

You do. It's built right into your concept of abstinence. I don't expect people who guilt and shame others to recognize it. That's true of people of all religions, not specific to Hindus.

abstinence is with respect to sense pleasures, physically and mentally, going to grad school is my duty and shirking duty is a bigger sin, especially on the pretext of 'abstinence'. Abstinence doesn't bring you closer to truth. Its controls your mind which would then help you seek bigger answers in your life.

Yeah, I figured out that every religion has issues with the fact that human beings have the capacity to feel good and use this capacity to guilt and shame their followers.

You are very talented and likely (of course, I don't know) had a relatively good starting point in life. We call that the "lucky sperm club." What, then, is the duty of the impoverish who have to work for pennies in inhumane conditions in your country?

we don't guilt or shame anyone because we have the concept of karma and we have no concept of heaven or hell...do what you want and you will get what you deserve...everyone is damn free to do whatever he or she wants.

You do. It's built right into your concept of abstinence. I don't expect people who guilt and shame others to recognize it. That's true of people of all religions, not specific to Hindus.

No I still follow my religion in Canada....not everyone is strong willed. Its about respect. Would you respect a cow as much as a Hindu does? Would you find in awkward? If you don't and appreciate things, then you are absolutely free to do whatever you want.

I respect a cow as much as you respect a carrot.

I pray before I eat my food. Do you?

Do you know where your food comes from? How it gets to you? Do you grow your own food, or do you go to the supermarket and buy it? Do you know how the supermarket gets their food? Do you know how the supermarket suppliers grow their food? Do you know the by products of the food you eat? Do you know the externalities of the food you eat?

You pray for the food that was supplied to you from bad people who are working to squash good people.

Stop praying for that. I don't appreciate it.

There is no good and bad in hinduism. There is a deed and it has its action. That's it. I pray to food because again its energy. Nothing more, nothing less.

Why pray for energy? Is there a reward for praying?Someone made up these things long ago, why follow their rules?

There is no good and bad in hinduism. There is a deed and it has its action. That's it. I pray to food because again its energy. Nothing more, nothing less.

Semantics. I spoke of deeds that have negative impacts on others. People willfully performing deeds that hurt other people. We call them bad people. Let's not get in the weeds over semantics because we are, in fact, saying the same things. I'm say that there's something there (bad) and you are saying, "I don't see it because I choose not to recognize it. That's my choice."

No I still follow my religion in Canada....not everyone is strong willed. Its about respect. Would you respect a cow as much as a Hindu does? Would you find in awkward? If you don't and appreciate things, then you are absolutely free to do whatever you want.

I respect a cow as much as you respect a carrot.

I pray before I eat my food. Do you?

Do you know where your food comes from? How it gets to you? Do you grow your own food, or do you go to the supermarket and buy it? Do you know how the supermarket gets their food? Do you know how the supermarket suppliers grow their food? Do you know the by products of the food you eat? Do you know the externalities of the food you eat?

You pray for the food that was supplied to you from bad people who are working to squash good people.

Stop praying for that. I don't appreciate it.

There is no good and bad in hinduism. There is a deed and it has its action. That's it. I pray to food because again its energy. Nothing more, nothing less.

Why pray for energy? Is there a reward for praying?Someone made up these things long ago, why follow their rules?

Sorry Swish, I could answer it, but I choose not to. I hope you understand that this is a sensitive topic

There is no good and bad in hinduism. There is a deed and it has its action. That's it. I pray to food because again its energy. Nothing more, nothing less.

Semantics. I spoke of deeds that have negative impacts on others. People willfully performing deeds that hurt other people. We call them bad people. Let's not get in the weeds over semantics because we are, in fact, saying the same things. I'm say that there's something there (bad) and you are saying, "I don't see it because I choose not to recognize it. That's my choice."

I think it all comes to faith. I have my faith and I love and follow it and I respect other faiths too.

Yep. That's how all discussions of religion end: the religious person taking this cheap way out. But that's not specific to Hinduism.

I don't want an argument on this subject Babbs. It can get dirty, really dirty. I am wise enough to know when to stop talking. I trust myself on that point.

I don't want to argue with you. I just want to show you holes in your belief system that you are too quick to brush off.

I give you a link to a secular movie called "The Future of Food," and you say, "No more." Thank god for secular people, because religious people are content to pray and eat and not examine.

You should know that I am drenched in science than most 'secular' people. I am a researcher and look for more proofs than most people. If I believe in something, its not 'blind faith'. I have become this way after scrutinizing for years...

You should know that I am drenched in science than most 'secular' people. I am a researcher and look for more proofs than most people. If I believe in something, its not 'blind faith'. I have become this way after scrutinizing for years...

That's not so. The more educated people are, the more likely they are secular. You're practically an anomaly these days, you're hardly the norm. In other words, more scientists are secular than not.

You should know that I am drenched in science than most 'secular' people. I am a researcher and look for more proofs than most people. If I believe in something, its not 'blind faith'. I have become this way after scrutinizing for years...

That's not so. The more educated people are, the more likely they are secular. You're practically an anomaly these days, you're hardly the norm. In other words, more scientists are secular than not.

Secular means respecting other religions and faiths and the non-believers too, which I think I am. What you are is a non-believer, not secular. If you were secular, you would be respecting the believers.

You should know that I am drenched in science than most 'secular' people. I am a researcher and look for more proofs than most people. If I believe in something, its not 'blind faith'. I have become this way after scrutinizing for years...

That's not so. The more educated people are, the more likely they are secular. You're practically an anomaly these days, you're hardly the norm. In other words, more scientists are secular than not.

Secular means respecting other religions and faiths and the non-believers too, which I think I am. What you are is a non-believer, not secular. If you were secular, you would be respecting the believers.

No I still follow my religion in Canada....not everyone is strong willed. Its about respect. Would you respect a cow as much as a Hindu does? Would you find in awkward? If you don't and appreciate things, then you are absolutely free to do whatever you want.

I respect a cow as much as you respect a carrot.

I pray before I eat my food. Do you?

Do you know where your food comes from? How it gets to you? Do you grow your own food, or do you go to the supermarket and buy it? Do you know how the supermarket gets their food? Do you know how the supermarket suppliers grow their food? Do you know the by products of the food you eat? Do you know the externalities of the food you eat?

You pray for the food that was supplied to you from bad people who are working to squash good people.

Stop praying for that. I don't appreciate it.

There is no good and bad in hinduism. There is a deed and it has its action. That's it. I pray to food because again its energy. Nothing more, nothing less.

Why pray for energy? Is there a reward for praying?Someone made up these things long ago, why follow their rules?

Sorry Swish, I could answer it, but I choose not to. I hope you understand that this is a sensitive topic

It's OK. For many their personal viewpoint of religion gives contentment.