Did not see a post for this but for those inerested Josh has reformed the band for the second time with most of the original line up. New album in the pipeline but can they capture their former glory. Good to see all the same.

I don't see how this is such great news. With a band is as high quality as toxik, I'd be really apprehensive about listening to any new material. What band that has ever created amazing material decades earlier has ever made a perfect comeback album at least on par with their early stuff? It seems like most bands actually get worse with age. I find that kind of ironic, and I always wondered why that is.

I don't see how this is good news. With a band is as high quality as toxik, I'd be really apprehensive about listening to any new material. What band that has ever created amazing material decades earlier has ever made a perfect comeback album at least on par with their early stuff? It seems like most bands actually get worse with age. I find that kind of ironic, and I always wondered why that is.

In most cases this is true but there are many bands out there that have came back with damn fine albums, Forbidden, Heathen, God's Tower etc etc. So I will not write them of yet, you got to admit it is exciting hearing a new track from a previously defunct band to see how they fair out nowadays.

I don't see how this is good news. With a band is as high quality as toxik, I'd be really apprehensive about listening to any new material. What band that has ever created amazing material decades earlier has ever made a perfect comeback album at least on par with their early stuff? It seems like most bands actually get worse with age. I find that kind of ironic, and I always wondered why that is.

In most cases this is true but there are many bands out there that have came back with damn fine albums, Forbidden, Heathen, God's Tower etc etc. So I will not write them of yet, you got to admit it is exciting hearing a new track from a previously defunct band to see how they fair out nowadays.

I'm stuck between the coldness of the first and the hope of the second.

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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:57 pm

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Countdown to Xlxlx having an orgasm begins....NOW.

HELL. YES.

Aaaaaaaaagh.....

*shudders*

That feels soooooo goooooooood.

In all seriousness; this is goddamn motherfuckingly fantastawesome.

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MutantClannfear wrote:

I love that the reviews for the new Dying Fetus get abbreviated on the front page of MA as "Wrong One to Fuck..." Sounds like a remorseful concept album dealing with John Gallagher's experiences with STIs.

I don't see how this is such great news. With a band is as high quality as toxik, I'd be really apprehensive about listening to any new material. What band that has ever created amazing material decades earlier has ever made a perfect comeback album at least on par with their early stuff? It seems like most bands actually get worse with age. I find that kind of ironic, and I always wondered why that is.

True most reunion albums suck, but there's always that chance it could be good. If not, a new album usually means some kind of tour or maybe festival gigs. I'd kill to see Toxik live so it seems worth it.

I have nearly all their stuff (which is admittedly not much) and have been looking forward to this possibility this it was bandied around in the Toxik thread a few months ago.

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Gif logos are a rare and special thing. They should be reserved only for truly exceptional and rare and special and important bands, bands like Blind Guardian and... Blind Guardian. This should be in the rules.

I don't see how this is such great news. With a band is as high quality as toxik, I'd be really apprehensive about listening to any new material. What band that has ever created amazing material decades earlier has ever made a perfect comeback album at least on par with their early stuff? It seems like most bands actually get worse with age. I find that kind of ironic, and I always wondered why that is.

As would The Devil You Know, The Evolution of Chaos, When Death Comes and Blood of the Nations for a start.

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John_Sunlight wrote:

Gif logos are a rare and special thing. They should be reserved only for truly exceptional and rare and special and important bands, bands like Blind Guardian and... Blind Guardian. This should be in the rules.

MOTHER OF FUCK this is the best news I've heard since I got into metal! World Circus is in my top 5 or so favorite albums and Josh Christian is my favorite metal guitarist. Although I wonder how heir vocalist will do now. Surely he can't be doing those wailing falsettos like he used to.

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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:43 pm

Thashierthanthou wrote:

MOTHER OF FUCK this is the best news I've heard since I got into metal! World Circus is in my top 5 or so favorite albums and Josh Christian is my favorite metal guitarist. Although I wonder how their vocalist will do now. Surely he can't be doing those wailing falsettos like he used to.

Guys like Harry Conklin and Glenn Hughes are living proof that you don't need to be young to belt out some insane high notes, so I wouldn't be too worried. Sure, Sanders' voice is bound to be at least slightly deeper than it was in World Circus, but until I hear him, I'm expecting nothing but awesomeness.

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I love that the reviews for the new Dying Fetus get abbreviated on the front page of MA as "Wrong One to Fuck..." Sounds like a remorseful concept album dealing with John Gallagher's experiences with STIs.

KING FUCKING DIAMOND is living proof that you don't need to be young to belt out some insane high notes, so I wouldn't be too worried. Sure, Sanders' voice is bound to be at least slightly deeper than it was in World Circus, but until I hear him, I'm expecting nothing but awesomeness.

I fixed your post.

Anyway, "World Circus" was a great album, so I'm excited to hear what they will do. I was not a fan of the little bits and pieces I have heard from the second album, but perhaps this is just because I haven't really payed it enough attention.

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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:49 am

Actually, King Diamond isn't as good as he used to be. He's still solid and retains all of his charisma, but he's far from the vocal theatrics he used to pull off during the times of Don't Break the Oath, Abigail and the like. I see people as Conklin or Hughes as much better examples of high pitched singers who have resisted the passing of time, as their voices haven't aged a day.

Also Enigmatech, for all intents and purposes, please do listen to Think This. It's one of the best metal albums ever. PERIOD.

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MutantClannfear wrote:

I love that the reviews for the new Dying Fetus get abbreviated on the front page of MA as "Wrong One to Fuck..." Sounds like a remorseful concept album dealing with John Gallagher's experiences with STIs.

Actually, King Diamond isn't as good as he used to be. He's still solid and retains all of his charisma, but he's far from the vocal theatrics he used to pull off during the times of Don't Break the Oath, Abigail and the like. I see people as Conklin or Hughes as much better examples of high pitched singers who have resisted the passing of time, as their voices haven't aged a day.

Also Enigmatech, for all intents and purposes, please do listen to Think This. It's one of the best metal albums ever. PERIOD.

Well, I am speaking mostly of the videos I have seen of his very recent performances. He has improved so much since he returned, and when you take into account his age, health problems, and reputation as a huge (now ex) smoker, and the fact that he was always (even back in the 80's) more concerned with being a showman on stage than being completely perfect, I think he's doing amazingly. Of course, I really hope this means he will bring back the falsetto for their next album.

Anyway, I did hear a song called "There Stood the Fence", which was great, but I need to give the rest more of a chance.

Actually, King Diamond isn't as good as he used to be. He's still solid and retains all of his charisma, but he's far from the vocal theatrics he used to pull off during the times of Don't Break the Oath, Abigail and the like. I see people as Conklin or Hughes as much better examples of high pitched singers who have resisted the passing of time, as their voices haven't aged a day.

Also Enigmatech, for all intents and purposes, please do listen to Think This. It's one of the best metal albums ever. PERIOD.

Don't forget James Rivera, whom I believe is actually better now than he ever was. He retains almost all his range and has a truly sinister tone nowadays. Other vocalists have also aged gracefully, like Tony Moore from Riot.

Honestly, I kind of wish they got Charles Sabin back, since I preferred his vocals to Sanders's, but I still think he'll do a good job here.

There was some sort of documentary made about the last reunion, and from that footage it seemed liked Sanders still had it, but I'm not 100% sure. I also would have preferred Sabin to do it, but Sanders is good too. I'd like to see how he handles the Think This material in it's finalized form (There was that live video of him doing Spontaneous but at the point the chorus was just him yelling SPONTANEOUS randomly)

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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:30 pm

Metal_Detector wrote:

Xlxlx wrote:

I see people as Conklin or Hughes as much better examples of high pitched singers who have resisted the passing of time, as their voices haven't aged a day.

Don't forget James Rivera, whom I believe is actually better now than he ever was. He retains almost all his range and has a truly sinister tone nowadays. Other vocalists have also aged gracefully, like Tony Moore from Riot.

Honestly, I kind of wish they got Charles Sabin back, since I preferred his vocals to Sanders's, but I still think he'll do a good job here.

Ah yes, Rivera and Moore. Oh, and John fucking Arch, man! All great examples of tenors who have retained all of their range and power despite being several years older now.

As for Sabin, I got to say that I also prefer his vocals to Sanders', but only slightly. Sabin is a more controlled, balanced and professional singer, but Sanders' insanity fits the band's over the top speed and technicality like a glove. I'm fine with either of them.

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I love that the reviews for the new Dying Fetus get abbreviated on the front page of MA as "Wrong One to Fuck..." Sounds like a remorseful concept album dealing with John Gallagher's experiences with STIs.

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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:59 pm

I trust your opinions on everything overtly old school, ANA. I'm afraid I can't say the same for everything else though

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MutantClannfear wrote:

I love that the reviews for the new Dying Fetus get abbreviated on the front page of MA as "Wrong One to Fuck..." Sounds like a remorseful concept album dealing with John Gallagher's experiences with STIs.

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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:10 pm

Yeah, I just read your review. Can't say I agree in any way whatsoever, as I reviewed the album myself here in MA and gave it a 100% score. I do remember you talking about how you love extremes in music though, and thus I understand how Think This would seem like an inferior album to World Circus to you.

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I love that the reviews for the new Dying Fetus get abbreviated on the front page of MA as "Wrong One to Fuck..." Sounds like a remorseful concept album dealing with John Gallagher's experiences with STIs.

Okay, I'm going to assume you're being sarcastic. Or hilariously ironic by posting one of the worst major thrash bands ever as an example of 'real thrash.'

Think This is a masterpiece. It may sound arrogant as fuck, but I think the people who don't particularly like it just don't get it, or they expect it to be something it's not. It's more like Proggy/techy USPM than thrash like World Circus or similar tech/thrash bands like Realm (Endless War). The vocal performance and songwriting lead in a more progressive direction, even if their roots are in thrash.

Personally, I actually think World Circus is far overrated, would probably rate it closer to what Bastardhead gave it, and would give Think This a score around the mid 90's. Obviously everyone's entitled to their opinion though.

Okay, I'm going to assume you're being sarcastic. Or hilariously ironic by posting one of the worst major thrash bands ever as an example of 'real thrash.'

Think This is a masterpiece. It may sound arrogant as fuck, but I think the people who don't particularly like it just don't get it, or they expect it to be something it's not. It's more like Proggy/techy USPM than thrash like World Circus or similar tech/thrash bands like Realm (Endless War). The vocal performance and songwriting lead in a more progressive direction, even if their roots are in thrash.

Personally, I actually think World Circus is far overrated, would probably rate it closer to what Bastardhead gave it, and would give Think This a score around the mid 90's. Obviously everyone's entitled to their opinion though.

Not sure what ANA was going for but Annihilator had some good stuff on their first couple of albums, that much I think we can all agree with. The song being from a later album makes me cautious about what the endgame was but still, it's the guy's opinion.

Now, as much as I love Toxik and both their albums, to treat Think This as some unfathomable masterpiece that only those who enjoy it understand is quite lame to say the least. People are entitled to dislike things one likes for whatever reason they have. It doesn't matter that the reasoning used is skewed or well grounded, everyone is entitled to an opinion. It's funny that you mention that Think This is close to USPM though, when in my view World Circus and Realm are much closer to that movement and Suiciety is much proggier than any of the aforementioned.

With that being said, both Toxik albums are great in their own fields of operation, and to say that either one is horrible or magnanimous is a bit of a stretch. Overrated I can live with because a certain segment of fans tend to treat either one as holy cows. I think they're great but not the best albums ever. But then again, this is just another opinion, right?!

Yeah, saying that was a bit out of line, I suppose, but it gets under my skin when people seem to expect Think This and efforts by Mekong Delta or late 80s Voivod to be full-fledged thrash albums. That's 'kay, though, no harm done.