@WizardCrab

@WizardCrab

We are trying to figure out if and when more refunds are appropriate. I'm sorry if I don't have any more information than that. If you think about it, pretty much no company ever gives refunds on digital goods (unless you have some good examples), so the territory kind of needs to be explored. It's definitely on our minds though. Please don't take that as a confirmation that we'll ever give more though.

We are trying to figure out if and when more refunds are appropriate. I'm sorry if I don't have any more information than that. If you think about it, pretty much no company ever gives refunds on digital goods (unless you have some good examples), so the territory kind of needs to be explored. It's definitely on our minds though. Please don't take that as a confirmation that we'll ever give more though.

Sorry I don't have a better answer.

You could somehow link it to the honor/report system. That way good players are rewarded and bad/toxic players have incentive to try and act better. Though you would have to find a good medium to prevent people from abusing the system.

The thread is basically a discusion about the various older skins who don't really meet the bar of a 975 price point when you compare them to newer skins. The initial discussion was prompted by the Shurima Desert Zilean skin, but there are multiple instances in which the skins offer no real thematic upgrade, minimal changes to appearance, and simply don't seem to be the same quality of newer skins, i.e. Popstar Ahri or Night Hunter Rengar (who share that 975 price point).

We are trying to figure out if and when more refunds are appropriate. I'm sorry if I don't have any more information than that. If you think about it, pretty much no company ever gives refunds on digital goods (unless you have some good examples), so the territory kind of needs to be explored. It's definitely on our minds though. Please don't take that as a confirmation that we'll ever give more though.

We are trying to figure out if and when more refunds are appropriate. I'm sorry if I don't have any more information than that. If you think about it, pretty much no company ever gives refunds on digital goods (unless you have some good examples), so the territory kind of needs to be explored. It's definitely on our minds though. Please don't take that as a confirmation that we'll ever give more though.

Sorry I don't have a better answer.

Maybe it could be based on the amount you've purchased in RP? Like, every 1350 RP you've bought gets you one more refund? I get that it's unexplored territory, but you do already have our money.

We are trying to figure out if and when more refunds are appropriate. I'm sorry if I don't have any more information than that. If you think about it, pretty much no company ever gives refunds on digital goods (unless you have some good examples), so the territory kind of needs to be explored. It's definitely on our minds though. Please don't take that as a confirmation that we'll ever give more though.

Sorry I don't have a better answer.

The big issue with that argument, my crabby friend, is that normally those digital goods are paid for with real money. Skins and Champions are paid for with RP. When we buy the RP to put on our account, the exchange has been made. You have your money. Whether we spend that RP or not, you have the money in your pocket. What we spend that RP on is now our choice.

It'd be different if you were giving an actual refund, where I get my $20 back for the RP I spent because I disliked what I was purchasing. But in this case, you give us the RP back, but you still have my $20 that I spent to get that RP. I'm just using the RP on a different option more suitable to my liking.

Let's say I went to a restaurant and ordered something. It gets to my table and it is in no way what I thought I was getting. Maybe it looked better on the picture or they've changed their recipe up for it completely or something. You get a nice waiter who says "Sure, we'll sub you out for a different entree around the same price." They still have my money, but they're giving me another option because what I got was not what I thought it would be or I don't really like it as much as I thought I would.

Obviously this example is a little bit different than RP. In the restaurant example, it costs the restaurant more money to provide you with a substitute dish. For Riot, it costs them nothing to substitute/refund the RP you spent. They already have your money.

WizardCrab I'm curious as to what your opinion is surrounding the sensitive subject of LMQ.
While LMQ does have a fair sized fan base, they've also are receiving a lot of hate for various things some of which are, but aren't limited to, not speaking English, not being US citizens, being originally from a different region, not adopting US culture like Bjergsen did, and supposedly exploiting loopholes in the system in order to compete in NA.
I have my own thoughts, but I was wondering what yours were.

I haven't really decided. My initial thoughts are that I don't see why speaking English or adopting our culture or whatever is relevant at all. I also welcome greater competition if it gets NA guys to level up. Not sure though.