Monday, February 13, 2017

The SSPX is now condoning Vatican- heresy in exchange for a prelature.

Should the Personal Prelature presented by Rome to the Society of Saint Pius X be accepted?

Lionel:

It should be accepted only if Rome(the Vatican) is willing to accept Vatican Council II (Feeneyite) and reject Vatican Council II (Cushingite).With Vatican Council II (Feeneyite) there will be the old ecclesiology. It was the past foundation for the Church's teaching on ecumenism, inter-religious dialogue and the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legisalation.

This should have been the condition for accepting the Personal Prelature.This would bring Rome back to the Faith as Archbishop Lefebvre sought.

The SSPX is now condoning Vatican- heresy in exchange for a prelature.

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Some present their negative opinion, based on the circumstances, but that is a badly formulated quetion. What should be asked instead is this: Can a canonical recognition be rejected when no unacceptable condition is attached to this concession?

Lionel:

To not ask questions when the Vatican affirms Vatican Council II (Cushingism)is an unacceptable condition. False doctrine and theology is being approved by the SSPX.

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Abp. Lefebvre never refused a canonical structure by itself, when he was alive.

Lionel:

He did not know that Vatican Council II could be Feeneyite and so also traditional.Neither did the magisterium tell him this.It was amidst this ignorance that he had to leave the Church canonically.

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He refused solely the demands conditioning the structure that he had originally sought and obtained, and that was unjustly removed from him. He never wanted to break, our of his own will, the canonical liaison that linked him officially with Rome, and even to this Rome infested with Modernists.

Lionel : They were modernists who were supporting Vatican Council II (Cushingism) and this was the only modernist interpretation of Vatican Council II which was known to Archbishop Lefebvre and the SSPX bishops at that time.

Now the SSPX bishops have a choice. They can choose Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) which is not a break with Tradition and they can ask the pope to do the same.

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Quite the contrary, he refused it: he challenged the publication of the break of this link, and appealed the decisions of the ecclesiastical authorities. Consequently, Abp. Lefebvre never faced the situation in which we find ourselves: the Society is offered a canonical structure unconditionally.

Lionel:

It is not unconditional, I repeat. They have to condone Vatican Council II(Cushingism) which is approved by the Left.

They have not to affirm Vatican Council II (Feeneyite) since for Pope Francis this would be rigid, triumphalistic, fundamentalist and restorationist.

So there is big condition .

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Incidentally, on what basis can it be refused if no condition is imposed (and even if the conditions were neutral), and if one considers that the Pope, due to the divine mandate granted by Our Lord to Peter and his successors, continues to possess the supernatural power of binding and unbinding, despite all his woes?

Lionel:

The SSPX and Archbishop Lefebvre opposed the popes on doctrine, principally Vatican Council II (Cushingite).

They are not doing this any more.

They also did not object to the theology of the Vatican Document on the Jews. So they are compromising doctrinally and pastorally to get a prelature.

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Would the current crisis make the primacy of Peter and the power of the keys Catholic truths which are embarrassing, optional, and superfluous?

Lionel:Now the message is that Vatican Council II (Cushingism) is irrelevant.Also Vatican Council II (Feeneyite) is superflous and would be embarassing.

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Some could object that the present context does not allow this regularization, and that never has a worse Progressive reigned on the throne of Peter. But a canonical structure is not supposed to last for the time of a single pontificate -- it outlives the Popes who flow by, and its acceptance does not mean a placet for the pontiff of the current moment.

Lionel:

It means among other things that the SSPX will approve of the Traditional Latin Mass being offered with the new ecclesiology based on Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus, Cushingism.

They will allow the Traditional Latin Mass to be offered by the FSSP and their priests without the old ecclesiocentrism based on Vatican Council II (Feeneyite) and EENS(Feeneyite).

The Traditional Latin Mass will be offered as a rupture with the past ecclesiocentrism affirmed by the Syllabus of Errors.

Doctrinally the SSPX has caved.The result will also be seen pastorally.

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One could not imagine a regularization under Benedict XVI without foreseeing that it would remain in effect under his successor.

Lionel:

Pope Benedict XVI was also a Cushingite like Pope Francis. Summorum Pontificum was a sop for the SSPX to accept the new ecclesiology with Vatican Council II (Cushingism) and EENS(Cushingism).

It didn't work. The SSPX did not fall for it.Perhaps because of the confrontation at that time with Bishop Richard Williamson and his supporters.

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What is the attitude that should be adopted tomorrow? Should we become Sedevacantists when the pontificates are calamitous and "renege on the contract" according to our whim with the passage of time?

Lionel: Even the sedevacantists are interpreting Vatican Council II and EENS with Cushingism.So the Council is a rupture with Tradition for them.So sedevacantism is not the way out doctrinally.They are in the same ignorance as the SSPX.

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This is not at all coherent.

Lionel: The SSPX is not coherent. All these years they made doctrine an issue.Now it is not.

There is an alternative in Vatican Council II and EENS, Feeneyite.May be they do not want to affirm it since doctrinally they would be opposed by the Left.They have removed Bishop Williamson and Fr.FlorianoAbrahamowicz for denying the Holocaust figure. So there was no anti-Semitic charge legally against the SSPX.Now if they affirm Vatican Council II (Feeneyite) and EENS( Feeneyite) would they be doctrinally correct but under threat from the Jewish Left ?

Bishop Fellay was never coherent.They were as confused on doctrine as the Vatican Curia.

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Even if one waits for a very traditional pontiff, there is no assurance that he will not be followed by a disastrous successor. Complete security does not exist on this Earth, and the canonical statute of the SSPX should be able to linger on, whoever may be the reigning pope. It is for this reason that its Superior-General assures himself in advance of its watertightness and of the perennity of its administration in all kinds of pontificates, despite the attacks of all kinds.

Lionel:

Even before he has recived the prelature he has compromised on doctrine and praxis.

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When the Society founded by Abp. Lefebvre is regularized, we can well imagine that the current pope will not touch throughout his pontificate this balance which was sought by all means for forty years. The Curia tried to subjugate the Fraternity of Saint Peter (FSSP) in 1999, and never returned to it, after its failure.

Lionel:

They are subjugated, believe me.There are enough posts on this blog to confirm it. Check it out for yourself.

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By granting, last year, a definitive confirmation of the statutes of the Institute of Christ the King (ICRSS), we can even affirm that the Holy See has internalized the fact that the traditional world was not to be dismantled anymore, and this following the liberation of the Traditional Missal and the recognition of the confessions of the priests of the Society of Saint Pius X. Such is the current situation, even though everything can change as well.

Lionel: The Holy See has brought the traditionalists under control.They offer Mass with heretical theology and new doctrine.They have accepted the new ecclesiology and rejected in public the old ecclesiology.They have with them the liturgy of the Traditional Latin Mass with its rituals and vestments but the theology and old doctrine is not there.Technically they offer the Latin Mass but not the Traditional Latin Mass.

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The goal of Bp. Fellay, the SSPX's Superior-General, is rather realistic. It is evident that he is not blinded by the current "Kasperism", and that he prefers Summorum Pontificum to Amoris Laetitia... Nevertheless, he considers that it is a matter of justice for recognition to be restored to the Society, a recognition that was unduly removed and that no one in the Church denies to it presently.

Lionel: The recognition comes with conditions however. I have mentioned them above.

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This is to be done undoubtedly with the Pontiff of the present, who will pass and will be followed by one who is better, or worse. As it turns out, the conditions for accomplishing the regularization have never been as compelling as they are today. It is not an agreement with what Francis does, but a regularization by the Holy See, the Chair of Peter founded, whether we want it or not, by Our Lord Jesus Christ.

Lionel: It was with this Chair of Peter that Archbishop Lefebvre broke. Since the Chair was obviously teaching heresy and irrationality in Vatican Council II(Cushingite). It was a rupture with the Chair guided by the Holy Spirit over the centuries.Nothing has changed doctrinally.

The SSPX today however are in a position to demand that the Chair of St. Peter interpret Vatican Council II and EENS with Feeneyism and they too would do the same inspite of the opposition from the political Left.They are not making this demand and have chosen silence and compromise on doctrine.-Lionel Andrades