The most descriptive term for them is "Uriah Heep," -- Dickens' character of that name was the classic character portrait, and it used to be used
generally to describe these slugs. These days, I don't think enough people read Dickens to recognize the reference.

Remember all the old movies (particularly the war movies)- always had at least one of them.

Unfortunately, as you pointed out, they've developed a cheap moral veneer to justify their cowardly and obsequious behavior.

I think the first thing to do is make sure we're clear about terms like sell-out and what that means exactly for what someone is doing. Am I a sell
out? I took training to be a certified member of the Trucker Security program twice at two different companies I worked for. I had my little card with
my ID number if I actually called and everything. It's called First Observer these days but it's been under a couple different names since 9/11..

That's a little piece about how it's run today and it's a good program. Nothing nefarious and for all the hype and hours spent watching their
training material....I didn't get the impression it worked all that much better or was any more effective than just calling 911 like truckers have
always done when seeing something out of place or a drunk..whatever the case is. It was a waste of money all around when thought about that way and
still is.

I've heard other things about Infraguard, but then someone I know who is a part of that whole thing tells me he only wishes he had half the ability
the rumors tossed around would credit him with. It sounded like a hyped-up version of First Observer when I heard it explained.. who knows for sure on
that though, I can only say 100% on the commercial vehicle end I was a member of.

....based on that? I'd hate someone to even think, let alone go and suggest I was some kind of sell out.. Sheesh... Is being an observant citizen now
a negative thing? There is the problem...where is the line I guess.

What in your opinion is the personality profile of a typical dhs/citizen corps/infragard/etc spy sellout?

* Excellent team player, but able to work on their own initiative.
* Computer literate.
* 'Driven' (whatever the f*ck that's supposed to mean)
* Experience of using Word and Excel
* Excellent communication skills
* Prepared to work 50 hours a week for peanuts. Or nothing, if you really are that desperate.
* Bootlicker who always says 'yes'.

there is no set personality type for them... they're as varied as those who spy on their fellow citizens ... just as the reasons they spy on them are
varied... money.. positionm.. hate.. fear... paranoia... patriotism...

In my opinion, the personality type of the "informer" ( A term I'll use because of my Irish heritage and because it, for me, cuts to the real core
of the matter ) is very much secondary to situation and circumstance. It's the environment more than the person that comes into focus here.

Currently we have an atmosphere of fear, tension, and division along class and religious lines. So the informers today are most likely going to be
hyper patriotic types, bigots, xenophobes, and the misinformed. Or any combination of the above.

For example: I'm an average looking white male in a middle classed neighborhood who dresses casually and is generally considered to be approachable.
I could probably build a nuke in my front yard and not only would the neighbors not report me as suspicious... they'd likely come by, engage me, and
possibly even offer to help me. Unless one happened to be an expert who could recognize a nuke on sight, I'd be pretty much safe from report.

But if I were an Arab American? Well I really do feel sorry for these people because I am sure Homeland security probably gets calls that turn out to
be nothing more than an Arab American taking out their trash after dark.

But the world is changing, and as it does, the profile of the informer will change as well.

If the economy continues to decline, then more and more often the incentive will become money. People will want rewards and will only tend to inform
where rewards are involved. The patriotic and fear based motives will be less of an issue.

Also, as militarization increases, another motive will become security. Like informers in the ghettos of WW2 it will become a temptation to inform on
your own neighbor - possibly for an extra ration of bread, or for a bit more "freedom" of movement... maybe as a means of getting the cops to
overlook the little side business you've created selling contraband. That sort of thing.

Deeming any of the above as "sell outs" is a moral step I am not willing to take. For instance, if I had a wife, and she were to get ill and the
only way for me to get medical help to her was to inform on my neighbor over some minor crime? Would I let my wife die for my principles or would I
sacrifice my principles to save a life?

Most of the young so called professionals i work with would sell their family for cash. I've seen them cause problems to get a seat by the windows
then tell the person the tried to shaft that it was nothing personal. Then the woman ran into the guy at Wal Mart and had him charger with assault for
touching her. He's gone she's a legend

Are we talking shill sellout? Or someone who is actually good at it? There is a difference.

Basically its anyone who believes they have more to gain by doing so than if they didn't. Most of it is self preservation at the very least. Though
you will have some cruel infiltrators that push malice intent.

First and foremost you have to be able to abandon your principals as a human being before you can sign up for the Junior Woodchuck Badge.

All the other crap that comes with it is what happens after you give up your moral standing to sell out another human life. Slippery slope...and
anyone can do it...they just have to have a need that outweighs their fellow mans.

What in your opinion is the personality profile of a typical dhs/citizen corps/infragard/etc spy sellout?

* Excellent team player, but able to work on their own initiative.
* Computer literate.
* 'Driven' (whatever the f*ck that's supposed to mean)
* Experience of using Word and Excel
* Excellent communication skills
* Prepared to work 50 hours a week for peanuts. Or nothing, if you really are that desperate.
* Bootlicker who always says 'yes'.

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Star for you friend.

I will just say its dam bad when one cant tell the diff between cream rising or surface scum.

Id say they are idiots (not all of them). They make people into terrorists by provoking them into attacking and hurting people, when they themselves
are the actual aggressors. But really they are just people/souls for the harvest. They give them their little card, and some BS power to see how they
will treat people and what they will do (9 out of 10 times the power corrupts them).There is then made a notation of how they handled their limited
power in the short time they were given it and will ultimately consume them over the people practicing the word of the Lord. Most of these people have
taken God out of it and say the "simple" people dont understand, but I think they are too smart for their own britches as my mom would say and they
are just helping to mark themselves. Some of em are cool though. When they wake up, the test doesnt end, they are just led to believe that it
does.

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