how about KTM going down to a higher-performance (and much lighter) 750-800cc v-twin bike? with he 990 heading up to compete in the 1200 ADV class it makes sense to go down and compete in the 800 class.

I'm still waiting to hear how someone can make a "much lighter" 750-800cc multi cylinder adventure bike than, say, the SE while maintaining the same amount of toughness, legality, and affordability. Show me how you can bring the SE in at 400 pounds (current dry weight is 437 iirc).

how about KTM going down to a higher-performance (and much lighter) 750-800cc v-twin bike? with he 990 heading up to compete in the 1200 ADV class it makes sense to go down and compete in the 800 class.

Bill, we agree. And with the engines getting progressively more powerful, we might get 950SE HP numbers out of an 800, too.

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how about KTM going down to a higher-performance (and much lighter) 750-800cc v-twin bike? with he 990 heading up to compete in the 1200 ADV class it makes sense to go down and compete in the 800 class.

I was going to say now that we have some good pictures of the 1190 lets see some of the new 800!

I'm just passing through (and maybe there is another thread showing it) but somebody show me a pic of the new R bike wearing 21/18 shoes so I can concentrate on work. All of these R pics ain't wearing 21/18 (although the Conti site I linked does show 21/18 Tubeless is available). All these pics show the same wheels and tires, which I find highly suspect. An R coming standard with Trail Attacks? Are you kidding me? lol I just have a real hard time believing it.

Just by comparing the photos it looks like the wheels are larger diameter on the R (for sure the front but also the back). Look at the distance between the rear brake rotor and the wheel, clearly there is a greater distance on the R. Maybe someone with photoshop handy can create a gif with the two bikes pics resized and overlayed

Just by comparing the photos it looks like the wheels are larger diameter on the R (for sure the front but also the back). Look at the distance between the rear brake rotor and the wheel, clearly there is a greater distance on the R. Maybe someone with photoshop handy can create a gif with the two bikes pics resized and overlayed

My eyes are old. I'm just not seeing it. But you are right, an overlay would help me.

Edit: The whole idea that a R would come with Trail Attacks is creeping me out.

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published at 19.09.2012 The world premiere of two completely new motorcycles is being celebrated at the international motorcycle fair INTERMOT where KTM will present the 1190 Adventure und Adventure R.

The two completely newly developed models represent the Adventure Generation 2013 and herald the start of the pure new adventure as of February 2013. With KTMs typical success ingredients: the very powerful two cylinder motor - light as a feather  high quality components  these two differently positioned, sports-oriented touring bikes have been created deploying a top-of-the-range, unique package of electronic assistance systems that will ensure that they rise to the top of the segment.

Whereas the 1190 Adventure, above all focused on use on asphalt (wide 19 and 17 inch tires) is especially for the pleasure of versatile road users, the Adventure R, in the best KTM tradition shows what is feasible from a sporting perspective and into the bargain invites you to undertake plenty of offroad action.

Also especially pleasing is that despite incomparably fine components and finishing, the new Adventure models are still oriented towards the price and weight of their popular predecessors.

The two completely newly developed models represent the Adventure Generation 2013 and herald the start of the pure new adventure as of February 2013. With KTM’s typical success ingredients: the very powerful two cylinder motor - light as a feather – high quality components – these two differently positioned, sports-oriented touring bikes have been created deploying a top-of-the-range, unique package of electronic assistance systems that will ensure that they rise to the top of the segment.

Whereas the 1190 Adventure, above all focused on use on asphalt (wide 19 and 17 inch tires) is especially for the pleasure of versatile road users, the Adventure R, in the best KTM tradition shows what is feasible from a sporting perspective and into the bargain invites you to undertake plenty of offroad action.

Also especially pleasing is that despite incomparably fine components and finishing, the new Adventure models are still oriented towards the price and weight of their popular predecessors.