SV: AMoC vs. Blink Strikes

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I have 4pc T16, I also have Assurance of Consequence and a heroic version of Haromm's Talisman. Given 4pc and Haromm's I've simulated the difference between the specs and SV is pulling ahead by about 5k DPS.

ToTH is a clear winner for SV after 2pc T16 but my question is about AMoC is comparison to Blink Strikes. Murder is simming higher for me at the moment by about 2-3k DPS but I'm seeing several top hunters go with Blink Strikes.

A slight increase in simmed DPS for an ability that cost an insane amount of focus, is a long duration DoT, and have a long CD. IMO, not worth it unless you are wiping on .5% on patchwerk fights due to DPS issues.

A slight increase in simmed DPS for an ability that cost an insane amount of focus, is a long duration DoT, and have a long CD. IMO, not worth it unless you are wiping on .5% on patchwerk fights due to DPS issues.

This was essentially my argument with our other hunter who swears by AMoC, and my personal thoughts.

I have 4pc T16, I also have Assurance of Consequence and a heroic version of Haromm's Talisman. Given 4pc and Haromm's I've simulated the difference between the specs and SV is pulling ahead by about 5k DPS.

ToTH is a clear winner for SV after 2pc T16 but my question is about AMoC is comparison to Blink Strikes. Murder is simming higher for me at the moment by about 2-3k DPS but I'm seeing several top hunters go with Blink Strikes.

Examples:
Dyveriate (Blood Legion)
Arrowqt (Midwinter)
Dime (Duality)

This needs to be said, but AMOC is only worth it when you can put it up on CD right from the start with full uptime on a target and have it refreshed on CD everytime with the same criteria.

It really is a question of strategy, and there are no progression fights for me that are tanked in such a way that Survival is able to compete marginally better than BM this tier; given that the only time you might play survival would be for add fights, BS is also utility by means of pet uptime.

This needs to be said, but AMOC is only worth it when you can put it up on CD right from the start with full uptime on a target and have it refreshed on CD everytime with the same criteria.

It really is a question of strategy, and there are no progression fights for me that are tanked in such a way that Survival is able to compete marginally better than BM this tier; given that the only time you might play survival would be for add fights, BS is also utility by means of pet uptime.

I appreciate your response but I am a bit confused by your wording. Do you mean to say that fights are generally tanked with stacked adds rather than split and this benefits beast cleave enough to rule out playing survival?

Well for example, I found SV to be much better on Immerseus(pet doing retarded pathing and running), Fallen Protectors, Dark Shaman, Nazgrim, Blackfuse and Garrosh(assigned as Engineer killer).

Immerseus: Pet patching causes BM to be a bit derpy, also guaranteed LnL for add phase through AoE slow trap on blobs. Also on Heroic adds will be spread a bit.
Fallen Protectors: On 25m we keep them all apart, so Beast Cleave wouldn't work. Dotting up all 3 pandas + phase adds makes SV feel better.
Dark Shaman: Pet can VERY easily die from the adds if you are assigned to kill them, otherwise BM.
Nazgrim: Target switching over long distances, not much else to say about BM being worse choice here. SV is much better at fast target switching.
Blackfuse: If on Assembly line duty: SV(pets despawn for ~5 sec when you jump off there). If on Crawler mine duty: SV for multi-dotting and better target switching.
Garrosh: I tried both, ended up liking SV more for the ease of target switching it provides on Weapon, Mind Control, Engineer, temple run phases.

It's not even really comparable how much better SV is at target switching fights, where BM is king of tunneling and clumped AoE. You can still go BM and keep pet on Garrosh while you use Arcane shot/etc. on Desecrated weapon... But hey, 60% of your damage is going to the wrong target at that point of the fight.

I appreciate your response but I am a bit confused by your wording. Do you mean to say that fights are generally tanked with stacked adds rather than split and this benefits beast cleave enough to rule out playing survival?

Yes, I don't see survival ever beating BM in terms of clumped aoe. Also this is in terms of talking about the heroic bosses that matter for progression on 25M, not those that we barely spent 2 pulls on, meaning anything after malkarok.

Well i use LR atm on survival ofc for some bosses is abit pointles coz there are lots of targets around but if you time it perfect can do shitloads of damage Garrosh is the fight where i preff it i use it on Garrosh itself on pull then on desecrated weapons coz mine pet sits on them 24/7 because i`m on engeneers duty.Fro fight like that i would preff Crows but the CD and focus cost is too big to be in any use before ph3 mark except on boss who i target rarely
Maybe when i obtain 4pts will try crows with the idea to use them when weare in shadow realm

I ask because if AMoC does not update dynamically, I can see it being a lot stronger than people give it credit for. Since the Ticking Ebon Detonator procs immediately at the start of the fight almost without fail, if you cast AMoC immediately (at ~18-20 stacks of the buff), along with your pre-pot, it can be extremely strong, possibly furthering the gap between Blink Strikes and AMoC. If it updates dynamically, then procs aren't quite as relevant, and it might be worth it to just go BS for its reliability/utility/ease-of-use.

AMOC is better dps if it can be used to its full duration.. eg; Immersus it would be a TERRIBLE talent as, especially later in the fight, the boss doesn't stay up for 30 seconds.

For Garrosh(normal) its a good talent, as the boss is always *there* to take damage... and if you happened to catch it during a phase change (where the dot was up still when the boss hit 10%), then you likely APPLIED AMOC sub 20%, and got the -1min off the CD anyway...

If you want real world examples; play any fight with AMOC. Look at the damage afterwords.
ex:
AMOC did 5mil on fight X for me.
My pet's BITE attack did 2mil
If I had blinkstrikes, my pet bite attack would have done 3mil.
The delta is 2mil -- Subtract 2 arcane shots for the focus cost.. and THAT fight, the delta is somewhere around a 1.8mil dmg gain by using crows... probably 1.5-1.8 given pet travel time that blink strikes would have *blinked* away.

PS Ticken Ebon Det is terrible.. so front loaded, hard to react to... if SV was our top spec by far, it wouldn't be AS bad... but with TBW, we'd have to have hairtrigger reflex to get the most use out of it. I plan to stick to assurance and Multistrike (Haroms?).