Finally just had chance to watch episode 15 and it was ok, glad we'll finally be seeing Neegan next week, think someone is in for a smashing time. As for who Neegan is I thought he was the guy in the green you saw in the trailer for next weeks episode, at least he looked like the guy who's meant to be playing him unless they've told us a lie to keep his identity secret which I'd be perfectly ok with. Was clearly Daryl who got shot as well.

I just heard it too and oh maaan I'm excited. If they end on a cliffhanger though, I promise you I will stop watching the show. I'd like to think that despite all the mistakes they make, they wouldn't do something as painfully obnoxious as doing a death scene like that- I mean it's pretty clear that it would mess up the pacing entirely and rob the audience of any satisfaction from the death scene and the events that follow. It's just a bad idea on all fronts.

Hopefully watching the finale with some friends at their house tomorrow, getting hyped for the mass hysteria. We'll probably end up taking bets on who's going to get killed off, my money's on Glenn, Michonne or possibly Rick if they're willing to throw a complete curveball (probably not though).

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Oh I hate being wrong. There is nothing to be earned from a stunt like this. gooseberry fool idiots. You can't stretch out an already thin story to 90 minutes for no reason, randomly upgrade your villains to gooseberry fool ninjas overnight, and then proceed to cut all the tension you're building with an unrelated arc (and one of the weakest in the show for quite some time). So obviously we knew Negan was coming at the end, and obviously we knew someone was going to die- that's not a great position to be in, sure, but they screwed up with all the damn finger pointing, I mean look at the bloody title of the episode. It's so hackneyed it hurts. All of this serves to put an immense amount of pressure on the final scene, and lo and behold I can't even tell you if it stuck the landing because they didn't even attempt to make one. It's clear that the entire back end of this season has been stalling, making way for terrible arcs like Carol's, and now they're stalling even more. If this is the precedent they want to set, what can we expect from the first few episodes of season 7? Carol and Morgan stumbling back to Alexandria? Tara and Heath pissing about in the wild? Enid killing time in the closet? How long do they want to draw this out? It's campy manipulative storytelling and you can't play with your audience like that and expect them to like it.

As some guy on Twitter said, they turned their Red Wedding moment into their Dexter Is A Lumberjack moment. What a gooseberry fool ripoff. That episode would have made TV history if they hadn't blueballsed us. JDM is a perfect Negan. The tension in that scene was incredible. But they dropped the gooseberry fool ball by not showing us who died. The consequences of Rick's actions should have been the start of this season, rather than the beginning of another. But alas, good storytelling was sacrificed in a desperate and cynical attempt to grab views for the S7 premiere, which would have been massive even if they'd done the scene correctly. The episode should have ended with this panel (spoilered for obvious reasons):

Here's an imgur album of the way the scene went in the comics, if you want closure on that ridiculous, unnecessary cliffhanger: https://imgur.com/a/Cf0cz

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As some guy on Twitter said, they turned their Red Wedding moment into their Dexter Is A Lumberjack moment. What a gooseberry fool ripoff. That episode would have made TV history if they hadn't blueballsed us. JDM is a perfect Negan. The tension in that scene was incredible. But they dropped the gooseberry fool ball by not showing us who died. The consequences of Rick's actions should have been the start of this season, rather than the beginning of another. But alas, good storytelling was sacrificed in a desperate and cynical attempt to grab views for the S7 premiere, which would have been massive even if they'd done the scene correctly. The episode should have ended with this panel (spoilered for obvious reasons):

Here's an imgur album of the way the scene went in the comics, if you want closure on that ridiculous, unnecessary cliffhanger: https://imgur.com/a/Cf0cz

This show is so annoying sometimes. Majority of the episode was basically boring nothingness to lead up to one of the best scenes in a long time with JDM as Negan only to completely ruin it in the last five seconds.

Not even a good cliffhanger anyway, doesn't give you any clues as to who it was to speculate on. Just a case of waiting for October by which time no one's going to even care.

It'll probably just end up being Aaron now with the backlash they're probably getting so they can give Glenn a better death later on.

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I was really enjoying it, the road blocks worked well for gradually building tension and while the Carol/Morgan bits broke it up a bit it they were okay enough for it to not matter too much. Negan's introduction was absolutely fantastic and that whole scene was perfect, right up till it went first person and they pulled the single biggest dick move I've ever seen in a TV programme. I could have forgiven them if they'd just taken the kill out of shot and revealed who died with a discretion shot/somebody calling their name because I'm not sure how well they could have done the gore justice compared to in the comics, but to just pull a massive cliffhanger like that is not on. Like PiG said, it's just a cynical, arsewipe move to generate unneeded buzz around next season; they're trying to create a "who shot JR?" moment where there's really no need for one.

All that being said, Jeffrey Dean Morgan was brilliant as Negan and I can't wait to see more of him next season, it's just a shame they've sullied his entrance so badly with such a poor execution (no pun intended)\.

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Jeffrey Dean Morgan is fantastic as Negan, probably as close as they could get to a perfect casting, he was just how I imagined he'd be. Also nice cameo by Trevor Phillips (aka Steven Ogg), his character in the Walking Dead was almost identical to his character in GTA V.

On the whole the season 6 finale was very good, until the last shot, now don't get me wrong I can understand why they didn't want to go the same way as the comic but not showing us which character was the unlucky soul was just poor, even if they cut to an overhead shot showing the deceased with Negan simply saying "we'll be in touch" as the saviours exit it'd have been a much more satisfying end to a fantastic episode than what we had.

Saying that I'm hoping it goes the same way as the comics and Glenn is the victim, although I have a feeling it could have been Daryl. I think the rest are safe outside of these two characters for the immediate future.

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I noticed another program advertised halfway through that said "from the makers of the walking dead" but can't remember the name of it, did anyone see what it was called or when it is on?

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Just watched the first one, was a bit of a slow start and quite predictable but I like what it's building up. Just hope that the next episode doesn't start with them being dumb and not calling the police about Cal.

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