I hope it doesn't get filled with concrete, it will look like shit. It's been there for millions of years leave it alone.

Filling it or destroying the crack in some way is not far off the actions of these stupid scout leaders in the US.http://youtu.be/9vCIQj7Gssg

There are numerous other ways to have fun at araps that are just as dangerous and accessible. Not to mention some of the slightly sketchy walk offs, where a trip or stumble could mean serious injury that beginners are expected to do. If things keep getting made safer and safer, people will worry less and less about the dangers, and take less responsibility for their actions.

Why don't we ask the guy who got stuck if he thinks it should be concreted up?

Apon arriving at work today in horsham, all my co works started telling me differnt versions on this incedent. Including he fell from the top of the mount.. it realy shytes me the amount of miss info and the negative attatude towards climbing in this town

On 22/04/2014 Cliff wrote:>Its all Chinese whispers so far. We only have a newspaper's account of Louise's opinion. She's very reasonable. If she has an opinion, I think it would be worthwhile hearing from her directly about it.

I spoke to the same reporter as Louise. I doubt there was a transcription error in the quote though some leading or trailing words or sentences may have been omitted. Certainly my comments were cherry picked though the general meaning was not changed.

I can't say a lot about it. His hips were very stuck and the problem was to lift those without injuring him. If he had popped out on our first try it would have been easy but he didn't so it turned into a long night.

Just out of interest, just how many times have climbers done the squeeze test? I have done it on two separate occasions, and after both times i have told myself not to do it again. It won't surprise me if i do it again one day. Maybe its like giving birth. I hear that over time you forget how painful it was...

On 22/04/2014 Cliff wrote:>Anyone able to venture a good guess at the total cost of the rescue? Kieran...
Don't intend to try. Why do you ask? I have no wish to go down the path of saying "This rescue cost $X, why shouldn't the subject pay something?".

On 22/04/2014 Cliff wrote:>On 22/04/2014 kieranl wrote:>Nah, I didn't want you to say anything like that... I'll say it... I think>the guy should pay for his rescue costs. We pay for ambulance services,>why shouldn't people repay their rescue costs?

Because ppl wont call until its to late, I'm pretty sure rescue ppl would rather bring out a live body than a corpse....srsly you want to bring up this crap again.

I don't believe we should have to pay for rescue costs for the reasons Rodw lists above. How much are you wanting people to pay Cliff? The whole amount? Would we need to take out rescue insurance to start climbing at the Araplies then