On 28.6.2006, at 03:27, Alexander Limi wrote:
> export PYTHON=/path/to/your/python (use 'whereis python' if you
> don't know
/usr/bin/python
> where it is located, in general this line is likely unnecessary on
> OS X
> and Debian, since Python is already in the path)
> export I18NDUDE=/path/to/where/you/put/i18ndude
Fair enough...
> export INSTANCE_HOME=/path/to/your/zope/directory
This is a remote server. Plone and Zope are not installed on the Mac
OS X Computer, hence my question:
>> Do I need to have plone set up on my laptop to
>> be able to check my translations?
> export SOFTWARE_HOME=/path/to/lib/python/inside/your/zope/directory
Ditto
>
> Does this help? Or did I not understand the question? :)

Hello,
the current coordinator of the Hungarian translation, László Nagy, has
just notified me that he is too busy to continue this task. Meanwhile we
are looking for a new i18n coordinator, I ask the dear admin in charge to
please remove his name as a coordinator and put mine there. (Balázs Reé,
<ree@...>) I would just do the coordination temporarily, until
someone else attends to take the task fully. (Also please remove the other
two names from the Hungarian team as well, they are not active any more.)
Thanks,
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On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 15:25:14 -0700, Arnór Kristjánsson
<addi@...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Some time ago I started translating Plone to my language. This was
> with version 2.1. I also installed i18ndude and some tools mentioned
> in http://plone.org/development/teams/i18n/rebuild-pots
>
> After translating a whole lot of strings version 2.5 came out and now
> I wanted to update, but I have since forgot how to do it. The how to
> in http://plone.org/development/teams/i18n/rebuild-pots doesn't help
> much because
> a) I'm not running Windows; Mac OS X is my work environment
> b) I'm not hosting on the computer I'm translating on; debian is my
> hosting environment.
>
> My quesion is: How do I set up the environment correctly given my
> circumstances? How would setenv.sh look like? What other things do I
> need to be aware of? Do I need to have plone set up on my laptop to
> be able to check my translations?
All of these instructions would work the same way on both OS X and Debian,
the only difference is the path names. You'll have to fill in the paths
here, but instead of:
set PYTHON=D:\zope2\Python\python.exe
set I18NDUDE=D:\zope2\Data\Products\i18ndude\i18ndude
set INSTANCE_HOME=D:\zope2\Data
set SOFTWARE_HOME=D:\zope2\Zope\lib\python
You would do:
export PYTHON=/path/to/your/python (use 'whereis python' if you don't know
where it is located, in general this line is likely unnecessary on OS X
and Debian, since Python is already in the path)
export I18NDUDE=/path/to/where/you/put/i18ndude
export INSTANCE_HOME=/path/to/your/zope/directory
export SOFTWARE_HOME=/path/to/lib/python/inside/your/zope/directory
Does this help? Or did I not understand the question? :)
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Hi,
Some time ago I started translating Plone to my language. This was
with version 2.1. I also installed i18ndude and some tools mentioned
in http://plone.org/development/teams/i18n/rebuild-pots
After translating a whole lot of strings version 2.5 came out and now
I wanted to update, but I have since forgot how to do it. The how to
in http://plone.org/development/teams/i18n/rebuild-pots doesn't help
much because
a) I'm not running Windows; Mac OS X is my work environment
b) I'm not hosting on the computer I'm translating on; debian is my
hosting environment.
My quesion is: How do I set up the environment correctly given my
circumstances? How would setenv.sh look like? What other things do I
need to be aware of? Do I need to have plone set up on my laptop to
be able to check my translations?
A.

Hello, plone-i18n.
I have trouble with i18n in Plone2.5
I have the custom skin with i18n folder. i18nfolder contains .po file
that overwrites some Plone's default msgstr's. When I install the skin
in Plone 2.1.1 all my custom msgstr's work pretty well - I have my
custom text.But when I install the skin in Plone 2.5 I get the plone's
default msgstr's. So, seems like my custom .po file has lower priority
comparing to Plone's default.
So, is there any changes in Plone 2.5 on this? I saw the PLIP on this
- that says about Plone2.5+ can use Five's mechanism of strings
translation, but that PLIP also says that the new method has backward
compatibility. Do I miss anything?
Please advise.
Thanks in advance.
--
Best regards,
Denis Mishunoff
PLONE Design-Skinning-Development
mailto:denis.mishunoff@...
IRC: spliter(#plone)
URL: http://plonetarium.objectis.net

hi
plone 2.1.3
linguaplone 0.9
in pages with right to left direction :
menus of content actions aren't in proper position under the menus Headers
.in firefox right but in IE no .
any suggestions?
Thanks

hi all
plone 2.1.3
I am editing RTL.css , but what can I do about the 2 browsers IE and Firefox
that show me the same pages in right to left direction pages . in fact I
don't want rtl.css uses of authoring or IEfixes.css that usually pages use
of them ,
well,is there any way to create a new IEfixes.css and then relate it to
rtl.css ,I don't know but now I can't see right pages in ltr and rtl pages
in two browsers !
thanks

On 6/8/06, Encolpe Degoute <encolpe.degoute@...> wrote:
> Mohsen Moeeni a =E9crit :
> >
> > file: cmfplacefulworkflow-*.po
> > msgid "description_below_this_folder"
> > Default: Modify the workflows only below this Folder. If you want to
> > modify the workflow of this Folder use 'Below this Folder'."
> > Problem: use 'From this Folder'; not Below
>
> Fixed.
I am not sure. It now says 'In this folder' which is inconsistent
with 'For this folder' which has been used in other place(s).
Here is some more problems that I witnessed in atcontenttypes
Product:
atcontenttypes-*.po
help_criteria_field_name
Default: "List Available Fields"
Problem: List *of* available Fields?
./ATContentTypes/skins/ATContentTypes/criterion_edit_form.cpt
Problem: this form uses msgid `label_add` from domain plone.
however this msgid is not defined in plone.pot
Concerning index ids in ATContentTypes product:
Problem: The following index ids have no friendly names: `Creator`,
`Description` (Could be seen in /portal_atct/atct_manageTopicIndex).
`Title` is used as an index id, a friendly name for index
`Title` and a friendly name for `sortable_title` index. They must be
separated (I do not know translate index ids but I translate their
friendly names).
Cheers,
Mohsen,

Hello/Salaam/Gr=FC=DF dich/Bonjour/Goddag/Hoi :-)
It's to annouce that, like many of it's older sisters, Plone 2.5
will speak Persian -hopefully- in high quality. I just commited
the last art-work :-)
By the way, will there be a new release of PloneTranslation
before 2.5-final? I also just sent the translation of kupu files
to their list. Is there any chance to get them included into the
2.5-final too?
Cheers,
Mohsen,

Hanno Schlichting wrote:
>
> Right now the direction Zope3 takes is to use some different libraries
> for the additional features ICU would provide as well. I think there's
> both more advanced timezone support through pytz and I have seen some
> collation (locale depend string sorting and comparison) work done by Jim
> Fulton.
I need to correct myself here. The zope.ucol package (found here:
svn://svn.zope.org/repos/main/zope.ucol/trunk) is just a simple wrapper
around the ICU library (which you have to have installed separately).
Writing more wrappers for the missing ICU features following this
example shouldn't be too hard if you are used to write Python C wrapper
modules. Even Jim used Pyrex in this case, which should make writing
these wrappers a lot more easier ;)
Hanno

Michael Dexter wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if consideration was given to using PyICU, the
> python wrapper to ICU for use in Zope3 and in turn Plone?
>
> http://pyicu.osafoundation.org/
>
> Any insights as to why or why not?
The reason is quite simple. PyICU wasn't around at the time Zope's
i18n/locale support has been written ;) The i18n/l10n parts of Zope3 are
almost all about four years old now and havn't changed much in this time.
You might find some insights at
http://lists.osafoundation.org/pipermail/chandler-dev/2005-April/002662.html
for example where the OSAF was evaluating zope.locales as a candidate
for getting access to the ICU data. They turned this down, mainly
because zope.locales does not provide all of ICU but only the
information found in the XML files. If you look at
http://leilani.osafoundation.org/~bkirsch/i18n/ChandlerInternationalizationProposal.html
you find a lot of information how OSAF is using PyICU.
In the mid-term run I think it would be a good idea to look into
replacing Zope's own approach with PyICU, but this is quite a heavy task
and as long as there's nobody interested in it, it won't happen.
Right now the direction Zope3 takes is to use some different libraries
for the additional features ICU would provide as well. I think there's
both more advanced timezone support through pytz and I have seen some
collation (locale depend string sorting and comparison) work done by Jim
Fulton.
If you have a project (read time or money ;) that needs additional ICU
features I'm quite certain the Zope3 folks would be glad to see a
proposal for including PyICU into Zope3 (and somebody implementing it of
course ;).
Hanno

Hello,
This is directed to Hanno (as suggested by Alec Mictchel) but perhaps
others could share their thoughts. This is also a Zope3 issues but
for me it as much a Plone issue:
The Zope3 Book and Richter's Zope3 Developer's Handbook state:
Since the ICU framework is simply too massive to be ported to Python for Zope 3
http://www.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/Zope3Book/i18noverview.html
Does anyone know if consideration was given to using PyICU, the
python wrapper to ICU for use in Zope3 and in turn Plone?
http://pyicu.osafoundation.org/
Any insights as to why or why not?
Best regards,
Michael Dexter

Hi,
I hope someone could help me to upload the newest localisation files for
Plone in Estonian language - I do not have time now to learn how to use SVN.
We have been using this new localised version of Plone already since January
with about 30 Plone instances, so the translation has been proved against
practice.
The files can be downloaded from:
http://www.htk.tlu.ee/newhtk/Members/Mart/etplone.zip
Best regards,
Mart Laanpere
Tallinn University, Estonia

Alexander Limi wrote:
>
> I fixed this during my Norwegian translation binge yesterday, btw. There
> are now 89 bad tokens that I want to review and fix in the source if
> possible. Will probably need to go through this with Hanno or something to
> see if they are that way for a reason, or if it's just sloppy translation
> work. There are a lot of non-sensical strings and/or duplicates with 1-2
> character differences.
Send me your findings, I'll probably have some time this weekend to look
into them :) I expect there to be quite some problematic texts, one of
the most controversial are probably all title texts as they are often
identical to the label texts which is because nobody cared to write more
explanatory texts ;)
Hanno

On Sun, 04 Jun 2006 16:39:52 -0700, Jean Jordaan
<jean.jordaan@...> wrote:
>> file: plone-*.po
>> msgid: label_allowAnonymousViewAbout
>> Default: All Anonymous Users To View About Information
>> Problem: must be `Allow` not `All`
>
> Agreed.
I fixed this during my Norwegian translation binge yesterday, btw. There
are now 89 bad tokens that I want to review and fix in the source if
possible. Will probably need to go through this with Hanno or something to
see if they are that way for a reason, or if it's just sloppy translation
work. There are a lot of non-sensical strings and/or duplicates with 1-2
character differences.
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_____________________________________________________________________
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Consulting · Training · Development · http://www.plonesolutions.com
_____________________________________________________________________
Plone Co-Founder · http://plone.org · Connecting Content
Plone Foundation · http://plone.org/foundation · Protecting Plone

Hi Mohsen
> file: plone-*.po
> msgid: label_allowAnonymousViewAbout
> Default: All Anonymous Users To View About Information
> Problem: must be `Allow` not `All`
Agreed.
> file: plone-*.po
> msgid: help_navigation_start_level
> Default: An integer value that specifies the number of folder levels
> below the site root that must be exceeded before the navigation tree
> will display. [snip]
> Problem: I am not sure about this one. I can't comprehend it
> completely because of that `before` word. Shouldn't it read `after` or
> `after that`?
"before" is correct. It's a conditional:
- first X must be exceeded,
- then Y will display.
Another way to put this: X must be exceeded before Y will display.
--
jean

Hello again;
While doing Persian translation, I encountered some caveats in original text.
I may be wrong about some of them. So somebody please comment:
file: plone-*.po
msgid: label_allowAnonymousViewAbout
Default: All Anonymous Users To View About Information
Problem: must be `Allow` not `All`
file: cmfplacefulworkflow-*.po
msgid "description_below_this_folder"
Default: Modify the workflows only below this Folder. If you want to
modify the workflow of this Folder use 'Below this Folder'."
Problem: use 'From this Folder'; not Below
file: plone-*.po
msgid: help_navigation_start_level
Default: An integer value that specifies the number of folder levels
below the site root that must be exceeded before the navigation tree
will display. [snip]
Problem: I am not sure about this one. I can't comprehend it
completely because of that `before` word. Shouldn't it read `after` or
`after that`?
Cheers,
Mohsen,

On 6/3/06, Hanno Schlichting <plone@...> wrote:
> I just updated the files with six new messages, which should be the last
> ones for 2.5.0.
Great.
>
> So as deo already told you have now about one week left ;) If you don't
> manage to complete the translation in time and need another two days
> please tell me, so I'll talk to the release manager and ask for delaying
> the release by two days.
I don't know yet. Hopefully 1 week should be enough. I'll see
and ask for more time just in case. Thanks also for fixing
the <sup/> problem too. :-)
Cheers,
Mohsen

Mohsen Moeeni wrote:
> msgid "label_plone_cms"
> msgstr "Plone <sup/> CMS Open Source Content Management System"
>
> As of specification [1], <sup> rquires and end </sup> tag. I doubt <sub/>
> makes any sense.
Hi again.
Thx for noting this. The real problem here was that the actual text
should include "<sup>&reg;</sup>" but the build script eats HTML
entities and so the tag was folded into a short one.
I've corrected this in the template and synced all po files. There are
now two fuzzy messages, where the <sup/> should probably just be
replaced by <sup>&reg;</sup>.
Yours,
Hanno

Mohsen Moeeni wrote:
> Hi;
>
> When the plone translation which is going to be used for
> Plone 2.5 version is due to release? I want to know how much
> time do I have to complete the Persian translation for 2.5.
Hi Mohsen,
I just updated the files with six new messages, which should be the last
ones for 2.5.0.
The final release is currently scheduled for June 8, but might be
postponed for some days if any critical bugs are found in the release
candidate.
So as deo already told you have now about one week left ;) If you don't
manage to complete the translation in time and need another two days
please tell me, so I'll talk to the release manager and ask for delaying
the release by two days.
If you need significantly more time we can release a PloneTranslations
release independently from Plone or do a minor release for Plone which
does only update the translations.
Happy translating,
Hanno