You didn't even go to biology class, did you? The only thing "true and exact" in science is that which is codified through research and experimentation.

The law isn't always based on science, because the issues are social. Our constitution isn't concerned when life begins; it is concerned with the rights of born or naturalized citizens--something a fetus is not. Pregnant women ARE, and therefore their rights take precedent over all other concerns.

TomTom wrote:

<quoted text>The only true and exact scientific measurement of life beginning is at conception. Otherwise any other point is just conjecture not based on real science.If law wnats to go around science it will. It has throughout man's history.That being said, all th epagan proabortion nonsense can't escape the inevitible truth that the only definitive point of origin of a new human life is in fact the moment of conception.Yabber and blather all you want but you know that to be true.

My mom had 8 kids; one died a month after birth, one got polio, and one was premature. When you can deal with all that, continue to teach, raise a family without complaining about the bad times, AND not juge other peoples' views on parenting,then you can call someone else a wimp.

HuskerDu wrote:

<quoted text>I have had children, you can't do what I did, you are a spineless lazy old hag.

<quoted text>The CDC reports 39 women died from illegal abortions in U.S. the year PRIOR TO Roe v. Wade.2.3 million preborn babies are executed daily in U.S. today.Maybe you'll get a calculator for Hanukkah.....

I'm posting about women who died during childbirth whose death you support. By the way, in my previous post I meant to post that your pro-life stance is less real than your assault on pregnant women.

<quoted text>I'm posting about women who died during childbirth whose death you support.By the way, in my previous post I meant to post that your pro-life stance is less real than your assault on pregnant women.

<quoted text>I have had children, you can't do what I did, you are a spineless lazy old hag.

Was that necessary? No, it wasn't. It had nothing to do with defending your religion from abuse. That was you being prideful and insulting another person to serve your own ego. That exchange had no reference to abortion.

What would Jesus do? He wouldn't call someone a "spineless lazy old hag" would he?

I have had children, you can't do what I did, you are a spineless lazy old hag.

If you popped out three or more kids because you stupidly believed "birth control is a sin," I didn't WANT to do what you did. Nor would I ever. I stopped at ONE child by choice, because I didn't WANT any more. I make my OWN sexual and reproductive decisions, rather than having a bunch of nosy male church clerics in dresses make them FOR me.

That's the point regressive, religionist, anti-choice MORONS like you keep missing, Knutter. Just because YOU did something doesn't mean every woman has to do -- or WANTS to do -- the same. Deal with it.

<quoted text>Pisses you off you can't, or worse yet, won't, do anything about it; doesn't it?If 4,000 "preborn babies" are executed daily in the U.S., then, at minimum, an additional 2,400 are executed by G-d because he allows "preborn babies" to not implant in the uterine wall. And, that's not counting all the ones he executes himself.BTW, I did get a calculator for Hanukkah. Maybe you'll get a compass and a brush for xmas and perhaps find out where Jeebus was for the 18 year period your bible doesn't account for his whereabouts.

"""an additional 2,400 are executed by G-d because he allows "preborn babies" to not implant in the uterine wall"""

That preborn baby dies via miscarriage. S/he is not "executed" by God. In fact,we ALL die. We are hardly "executed" because of it.

Unless of course,someone (another of Gods creations)decides to play God and end anothers life here on earth.

HARDSHIP #3 - LOSS OF MONEY - Whatever money a girl/woman used to spend on herself will have to be spent on the baby, and that cost is far more than most girls could begin to anticipate. These costs include diapers, food, clothing, baby equipment (car seat, crib, stroller, baby carriers, baby and child toys, etc.) and so much more. Anyone who wants to do the math can begin their research by going to their local grocery store and checking out the baby food and diaper sections. Just make sure you have a notebook and calculator, because you will need to multiply those costs for each item several times per week. Thats just for food and diapers, you havent even started on the costs for clothing, baby equipment and toys. That will add a staggering amount to your calculations, and the sum will be far higher than you could imagine. If you plan to put the baby in day care for any amount of time during the week, you will have to add up those costs too. Get the picture now? Having a baby costs a HUGE amount of money, which many girls and young women simply do not have, unless they have wealthy parents.HARDSHIP #4 - LOSS OF EDUCATION AND JOB/CAREER OPPORTUNITIES - As hard as it is to acknowledge, a working mother of any age cannot have the same kind of freedom, flexibility or mobility as a woman without children has. If a girl cannot complete high school due to the demands of motherhood, she will not be able to go to college or vocational school, as both typically require a high school diploma first. That automatically limits her ability to find good employment, and she may well have to settle for a minimum wage job, which pays far less than what is needed to raise a child comfortably. Girls and women who complete high school may find that many jobs require a college degree or vocational school certificate, and without those, she may still not be able to get a job that pays a decent salary. A high school diploma alone is no guarantee of good employment, but all girls need one if they hope to advance to higher levels of education that their chosen job or career requires.

:::Yawn:::

The anti-woman,anti-family proabort is at it AGAIN.

(((sassy waves her hands and jumps up and down to get Oceans attention)))

HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO? WE GET IT. YOU HATED BEING PREGNANT. YOU HATE BEING A MOTHER. MOTHERHOOD SUCKS FOR YOU. YOU'RE GLAD THAT YOU'VE BEEN PREGNANCY FREE FOR 18 YRS.

No,actually she is talking about motherhood in general. You didn't know? She HATES being pregnant,having a child,losing her life. She is miserable being a mother and she is trying to FORCE what she feels on others.

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