^^ I agree completely! So when joe six-pack buys a "UHDTV" this year, and in 1-2 years it can't support the color spectrum that the "final" UHDTV standard specifies, what manufacturers are going to step up and say "Sorry, we misled you, your brand new 4k bluray discs won't be presented in all their Rec 2020 color glory..."

Maybe the current standard should be called "pseudo-UHDTV", or maybe the final standard should be named "Full-UHDTV"...

Having a first gen DVD player that only had an s video out as it's best connection, I still had countless hours enjoying the crisp clear picture, far better then my LD collection. Buying a HDTV with only one component connection years before hdmi was a standard didn't stop me from enjoying every last bit of high def content I could find( enhanced DVDs were the best my point is that being an early adopter sucks only in hindsight. While everyone was yelling don't buy this! , I was enjoying the best pic possible, and thanks to me and other early adopters, everyone could then enjoy what I had years later...... Cut to today, and I'm glad people are picking up uhd sets.... The picture looks amazing today, and it might get better down the road, but who wants to sit and wait it out forever? Thank to high early demand, we get a vizio 4k set starting at $1000, just about $250 more than a regular 1080 p vizio m series.... In what world is that a bad thing....

I'm surprised no one's been talking about this for a while... any news from CEDIA about Vizio? They are supposed to have a press event right?

Press event is at the end of September...most likely though the information regarding the R series will be under embargo....There has been some discussion about the R series in the main Vizio thread, but really since not much is known outside of the webpage set up for it there isn't much to say...

In spite of the CEO's vaguaries back in September, I'll believe it when I see it. No other LCD is worth buying since Sharp lost their shirt on the Elites, and this one still has to live up to the hype. Nearly 11 months and counting since the announcement.

In spite of the CEO's vaguaries back in September, I'll believe it when I see it. No other LCD is worth buying since Sharp lost their shirt on the Elites, and this one still has to live up to the hype. Nearly 11 months and counting since the announcement.

I posted in the 2015 CES thread over in the OLED area that I only hope Visio surprise us all at 2015 CES with a much larger R series than the 65"; (84" inches for me please), and with 3D implemented. Surely there would be a decent market for it?
Bish

I posted in the 2015 CES thread over in the OLED area that I only hope Visio surprise us all at 2015 CES with a much larger R series than the 65"; (84" inches for me please), and with 3D implemented. Surely there would be a decent market for it?
Bish

I agree. 65" is too small and while 120" would be awesome, the percentage of people able to even fit one into their living rooms would be exceedingly small. And it will likely have such a small production that I can easily envision it being above $50,000. Probably special order sets for convention halls, casinos, etc.

I posted in the 2015 CES thread over in the OLED area that I only hope Visio surprise us all at 2015 CES with a much larger R series than the 65"; (84" inches for me please), and with 3D implemented. Surely there would be a decent market for it?
Bish

Unless something changed, Vizio has not had a booth at the CES for some time now and the fact they decided to drop 3d (which most feel was a smart move), looks like you are wrong on both counts.

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Abundant OTA television is what makes this country different from all others. Lets keep it this way. If you like Wi-Fi so much, OTA fits right in. After all, it is wireless.

Unless something changed, Vizio has not had a booth at the CES for some time now and the fact they decided to drop 3d (which most feel was a smart move), looks like you are wrong on both counts.

If you'll actually read my post it did say I "hope" that they would surprise us, not that they were going to.

Regardless I stand by my "hope" that IF Visio made an R series with 3D in something around 80" and IF it was reasonably priced, they could clean up the large display market. At least until large OLEDs are made in large numbers and in reasonable prices; if ever of course.

If you'll actually read my post it did say I "hope" that they would surprise us, not that they were going to.

Regardless I stand by my "hope" that IF Visio made an R series with 3D in something around 80" and IF it was reasonably priced, they could clean up the large display market. At least until large OLEDs are made in large numbers and in reasonable prices; if ever of course.

Bish

Most suspect they backed away from 3D to make 4k sets cheaper. Supposedly they were paying LG for thier theater 3d tech. So it's possibly a factor. Could they bring 3d back I think it may be unlikely in its current format requiring glasses. Still there's hope when 4k sets become even cheaper it would make sense, but I think glasses-free would be the obvious return to 3d for vizio. If they can develop it on there own.

Vizio showed off their wares at the 2014 CES. However, I do remember reading that they would not be making an appearance at the 2015 CES.

Vizio was not at the actual CES in 2014. The usually setup up at one of the Hotels nearby and show their stuff. Last year they said they would not even do that, as the January date did not mesh with their product cycle and would now instead be hosting their own product announcements and releases. Like the did with the M and the P series. Hopefully, they have changed their minds and we get some Vizio info at CES 2015.

Most suspect they backed away from 3D to make 4k sets cheaper. Supposedly they were paying LG for thier theater 3d tech. So it's possibly a factor. Could they bring 3d back I think it may be unlikely in its current format requiring glasses. Still there's hope when 4k sets become even cheaper it would make sense, but I think glasses-free would be the obvious return to 3d for vizio. If they can develop it on there own.

I think it was a smart move by Vizio. Cut out all the extras to undercut the 4K competition by a wide margin on price. Then take a wait and see approach on the success of glasses-free tech and add it on later models.

Regardless of some of the problems on the Vizio P series, their 4K demo using FALD puts the Samsung and LG displays to shame visually. At least from what I saw at Best Buy on a first impression. And from a sales perspective, that's all that really matters to the masses.

From talking to the Best Buy employees, the Vizios where destroying them on sales leading up to Black Friday. In fact, it makes me wonder if BB gets a bigger profit margin on the Samsung and LG's. On Black Friday, my local BB had disconnected the 4K demo on the Vizio. I asked them if they could put it back on, and the sales guy immediately started trying to convince me that I don't want the Vizio, I want the Samsung set instead. He would not put the demo on the Vizo back on.

Having a first gen DVD player that only had an s video out as it's best connection, I still had countless hours enjoying the crisp clear picture, far better then my LD collection. Buying a HDTV with only one component connection years before hdmi was a standard didn't stop me from enjoying every last bit of high def content I could find( enhanced DVDs were the best my point is that being an early adopter sucks only in hindsight. While everyone was yelling don't buy this! , I was enjoying the best pic possible, and thanks to me and other early adopters, everyone could then enjoy what I had years later...... Cut to today, and I'm glad people are picking up uhd sets.... The picture looks amazing today, and it might get better down the road, but who wants to sit and wait it out forever? Thank to high early demand, we get a vizio 4k set starting at $1000, just about $250 more than a regular 1080 p vizio m series.... In what world is that a bad thing....

That is why I have owned a 50" Vizio "P" Series set for over a month now!

I think it was a smart move by Vizio. Cut out all the extras to undercut the 4K competition by a wide margin on price. Then take a wait and see approach on the success of glasses-free tech and add it on later models.

Regardless of some of the problems on the Vizio P series, their 4K demo using FALD puts the Samsung and LG displays to shame visually. At least from what I saw at Best Buy on a first impression. And from a sales perspective, that's all that really matters to the masses.

From talking to the Best Buy employees, the Vizios where destroying them on sales leading up to Black Friday. In fact, it makes me wonder if BB gets a bigger profit margin on the Samsung and LG's. On Black Friday, my local BB had disconnected the 4K demo on the Vizio. I asked them if they could put it back on, and the sales guy immediately started trying to convince me that I don't want the Vizio, I want the Samsung set instead. He would not put the demo on the Vizo back on.

Ive noticed the salesman do the same at mine it seems Vizio and Lg are the blacksheep. they like to rag on Lg because of their picture processing and well vizio just because its cheap. lets hope this reference series lives up to the hype, if it does that will signal a good thing for consumers. competition is lovely...

Vizio was not at the actual CES in 2014. The usually setup up at one of the Hotels nearby and show their stuff. Last year they said they would not even do that, as the January date did not mesh with their product cycle and would now instead be hosting their own product announcements and releases. Like the did with the M and the P series. Hopefully, they have changed their minds and we get some Vizio info at CES 2015.

But they did hold their setup at the same time as CES right?

Speaking of which, what is the exact date for the next CES, is it early January or late January?
I need to know if I'm keeping my TV or if there will be more/better FALD next year or even a affordable OLED.

Perhaps they push whatever they have a bigger inventory of at the time. I never listen to them anyway. It's very rare you get a salesman that has much knowledge of the sets they are selling.

I've always had the impression much control of this is left to the local BB manager to decide (positioning to local market conditions, consumer prefs, and -duh- stock on hand). They're a large publicly traded company they are under pressure to sell! sell! sell! (not tell you they're out of stock which effectively shuffles people straight out the door).

They must be making changes or final adjustments before releasing anything, as mentioned in a different thread samsung has 1000 nits as opposed to 800 nits. Some of the new TV's will support HDR not just Vizio anymore so forsure they have to be making changes.

Plus its still on their website, they would have pulled it down by now if it was not coming out at some point this year