mattvan1 wrote:Tannehill won't last past the Dolphins at #8, so if H&H want him they might as well take him at #4.

Me? I'll pass and see what happens this season and with the 2013 draft. No need to panic just quite yet.

Yeah I agree. Going into this draft, the mission statement needed to be RGIII or bust. We aren't going to get him, there isn't enough talent to drop a #4 on, which leaves one thing left to do; trade down. Secure an extra first rounder for next year, then fill in the most important blanks. If all goes well, the Browns improve from last year and have ammo for next years draft if someone sticks out to trade UP for.

But God, taking Tannehill at 4; what a gamble. And don't get me wrong, I really think he could be something in this league but this is not the time, place, nor franchise to be gambling on shit.

Lol. How is it a smokescreen when there is no one even saying anything here? There is literally no meat here.

He did absolutely nothing unexpected today, he's not closer to being an NFL starter than he was because he ran well. He was an effing Big 12 starting WR, what did anyone think he was going to run? You think he impressed with that?

JCoz wrote:Lol. How is it a smokescreen when there is no one even saying anything here? There is literally no meat here.

He did absolutely nothing unexpected today, he's not closer to being an NFL starter than he was because he ran well. He was an effing Big 12 starting WR, what did anyone think he was going to run? You think he impressed with that?

Hilarious. No fucking way he's a Brown at #4.

I literally have no fears about that. Aint happening.

SD:

Tannehill will be the third pick in the draft , either by Miami or the Cleveland Browns

JCoz wrote:Lol. How is it a smokescreen when there is no one even saying anything here? There is literally no meat here.

He did absolutely nothing unexpected today, he's not closer to being an NFL starter than he was because he ran well. He was an effing Big 12 starting WR, what did anyone think he was going to run? You think he impressed with that?

Hilarious. No fucking way he's a Brown at #4.

I literally have no fears about that. Aint happening.

SD:

Tannehill will be the third pick in the draft , either by Miami or the Cleveland Browns

hear me now believe me later.

SoulDawg

Thats hilarious if the phins do that, but he won't be a brown, and certainly not at three.

Frankly I have no freaking clue what to think of this mess right now. There isnt a logical pick at this point. I dont know nearly enough or am not nearly adept enough in scouting to give a real opinion on Tannehill, I will leave that up to the rest of you Kiper Juniors.

What I dont like that it appears we are stuck with a QB that seems like a reach (btw getting Miami to trade with us is hilarious, we are the only threat to take him), Drafting a RT at 4 blows my mind, drafting a RB makes me throw up in my mouth and I am not enthused about the WR.

I will say this, with Heckert in charge I would not be completely shocked if we can't trade we make a Tyson Jackson type pick a few years ago, Heckert just takes who he likes regardless of value.

Is Tannehill an upgrade over Colt McCoy? Almost certainly. Colt's a backup-quality QB with a low ceiling. Tannehill's potential is vast in comparison.

But is Tannehill a franchise, Super Bowl caliber QB? Much less sold on that. I'd give him a less than 30% chance that he'll be that kind of guy. His accuracy and decision-making are suspect. Those things CAN be improved, but it's not easy.

So even though it's an upgrade, it's a position where you need - NEED - to have a FRANCHISE guy, and if you don't think Tanny is a Franchise SB-type guy, then you don't take him at #4 overall even if he is an upgrade over what we've got.

Because this is one of those instances where an upgrade could also be a setback.

Is Tannehill an upgrade over Colt McCoy? Almost certainly. Colt's a backup-quality QB with a low ceiling. Tannehill's potential is vast in comparison.

But is Tannehill a franchise, Super Bowl caliber QB? Much less sold on that. I'd give him a less than 30% chance that he'll be that kind of guy. His accuracy and decision-making are suspect. Those things CAN be improved, but it's not easy.

So even though it's an upgrade, it's a position where you need - NEED - to have a FRANCHISE guy, and if you don't think Tanny is a Franchise SB-type guy, then you don't take him at #4 overall even if he is an upgrade over what we've got.

Because this is one of those instances where an upgrade could also be a setback.

SD:

Under the old CBA a miss would be catastrophic , in todays game however , you can revisit the position next year if you have too and still be head of the big singular miss .

Yes you are supposed to net a starter picking in the top ten .

but who says he has to be a 2012 starter .

draft him as a 2013 starter and see how that works in your thinking .

Who can come out next year in 2013 and be ahead of this kid with a year under his belt .

Is Tannehill an upgrade over Colt McCoy? Almost certainly. Colt's a backup-quality QB with a low ceiling. Tannehill's potential is vast in comparison.

But is Tannehill a franchise, Super Bowl caliber QB? Much less sold on that. I'd give him a less than 30% chance that he'll be that kind of guy. His accuracy and decision-making are suspect. Those things CAN be improved, but it's not easy.

So even though it's an upgrade, it's a position where you need - NEED - to have a FRANCHISE guy, and if you don't think Tanny is a Franchise SB-type guy, then you don't take him at #4 overall even if he is an upgrade over what we've got.

Because this is one of those instances where an upgrade could also be a setback.

SD:

Under the old CBA a miss would be catastrophic , in todays game however , you can revisit the position next year if you have too and still be head of the big singular miss .

Yes you are supposed to net a starter picking in the top ten .

but who says he has to be a 2012 starter .

draft him as a 2013 starter and see how that works in your thinking .

Who can come out next year in 2013 and be ahead of this kid with a year under his belt .

SoulDawg

Hey, I'm thinking long-term/big-picture too. If they draft him, I don't really care if he starts in 2012 or not.

But the big picture to me is that he needs to be a Franchise/SB-type QB if THIS franchise is going to take him THERE. Or is he an ordinary guy/Andy Dalton that can be had in any draft and teams would only consider taking this high b/c of some measurables and the fact that they're DESPERATE to address their past failures at the position.

Is he Ben Roethlisberger? Or is he Chad Henne?

I guess it comes down to this for me - There may or may not be a Luck/RG3 in next year's draft, and the Browns may or may not be in position to get him even if he is there. But I think the chances are real good that there will be a few Ryan Tannehills in next year's draft, and I think the Browns - even at around 12-15 - would still be in position to get him.

With RG3/Luck, you NEED to take that guy if you have the chance b/c you don't know when you'll get another opportunity.

With Tannehill, unless you're a playoff team, odds are real good that you'll get the chance every year.

Too high and too many holes for me to feel good about them taking a project guy this year.

Some ESPN guy who was at Tannehills workout yesterday said the Browns SHOULD, not could, draft Tannehill at 4.

IF we are drafting Tannehill, I say we trade down to 6 or 7 (whomever wants a stud RB or WR of the 2) on draft day and take him right in front of Miami and pick up an extra pick. Of course you risk Miami trading up to 5 in between.

"The nose of the bulldog has been slanted backwards so that he can breathe without letting go." -- Winston Churchill

"I don't think the difference between Robert Griffin III and Tannehill is all that big, I really don't," ESPN's Todd McShay said on a conference call today. "I'd have a very difficult time passing on him at that No. 4 pick. I just think he has everything you look for in a future franchise quarterback if you develop him properly and you're willing to be patient.

Dear lord, let me off this crazy train.

DES-PER-A-SHUN.

As far as prospects go, RG3 is Erin Andrews, Tannehill is Dana Jacobson.

OldDawg wrote:Some ESPN guy who was at Tannehills workout yesterday said the Browns SHOULD, not could, draft Tannehill at 4.

IF we are drafting Tannehill, I say we trade down to 6 or 7 (whomever wants a stud RB or WR of the 2) on draft day and take him right in front of Miami and pick up an extra pick. Of course you risk Miami trading up to 5 in between.

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#Rams coach jeff fisher, who has no. 6 pick, said the #browns at #4 are a realistic trade partner for rams.

"The nose of the bulldog has been slanted backwards so that he can breathe without letting go." -- Winston Churchill

Who can come out next year in 2013 and be ahead of this kid with a year under his belt .

SoulDawg

Who are you and what did you do with SD?

Been advocating the red shirt approach for years. But the trouble is when Colt = Colt and the rest of the uck zone known as the offense plays to probable level the hue and cry will be a deafening din to play Tannyhill, and they will end up playing him.

Who can come out next year in 2013 and be ahead of this kid with a year under his belt .

SoulDawg

Who are you and what did you do with SD?

Been advocating the red shirt approach for years. But the trouble is when Colt = Colt and the rest of the uck zone known as the offense plays to probable level the hue and cry will be a deafening din to play Tannyhill, and they will end up playing him.

Exactly.

Why do people sit QB's for a year? So they can learn the offense, preferrably from a veteran who knows it well and can also help with life lessons of the NFL in general.

What part of that is Tannehill learning behind Colt McCoy?

When/if the team/Colt sucks, then there will be a call to get Tannehill experience, and it will probably be the right call at that point since I have no clue what he "learns" in this situation.

DIZ-ASS-TER. That is what the Tannehill pick is for this particular Org.

A commenter at WFNY pointed out that the media tends to fawn over the next available QB like a teenage girl with a wall full of Justin Bieber pics. Luck was The Guy up until Indy had that pick locked up, then they were all over RGIII up until Washington traded. Now its Tannehill. Its the E$PN Hype Machine at work again.

I've seen Heckgrin operate, and I don't see them chasing a project at #4. Miami at #8? Sure, but, well, that's Miami. I'd rather be us than Miami.

"The fucking Who...... If I want to watch old people run around ill go set fire to a nursing home." - CDT

Madre Hill, Superstar wrote:A commenter at WFNY pointed out that the media tends to fawn over the next available QB like a teenage girl with a wall full of Justin Bieber pics. Luck was The Guy up until Indy had that pick locked up, then they were all over RGIII up until Washington traded. Now its Tannehill. Its the E$PN Hype Machine at work again.

I've seen Heckgrin operate, and I don't see them chasing a project at #4. Miami at #8? Sure, but, well, that's Miami. I'd rather be us than Miami.

Madre Hill, Superstar wrote:A commenter at WFNY pointed out that the media tends to fawn over the next available QB like a teenage girl with a wall full of Justin Bieber pics. Luck was The Guy up until Indy had that pick locked up, then they were all over RGIII up until Washington traded. Now its Tannehill. Its the E$PN Hype Machine at work again.

I've seen Heckgrin operate, and I don't see them chasing a project at #4. Miami at #8? Sure, but, well, that's Miami. I'd rather be us than Miami.

Madre Hill, Superstar wrote:A commenter at WFNY pointed out that the media tends to fawn over the next available QB like a teenage girl with a wall full of Justin Bieber pics. Luck was The Guy up until Indy had that pick locked up, then they were all over RGIII up until Washington traded. Now its Tannehill. Its the E$PN Hype Machine at work again.

I've seen Heckgrin operate, and I don't see them chasing a project at #4. Miami at #8? Sure, but, well, that's Miami. I'd rather be us than Miami.

Both organizations are viewed as absolute jokes. Both cities are broke.

Who can come out next year in 2013 and be ahead of this kid with a year under his belt .

SoulDawg

Who are you and what did you do with SD?

Been advocating the red shirt approach for years. But the trouble is when Colt = Colt and the rest of the uck zone known as the offense plays to probable level the hue and cry will be a deafening din to play Tannyhill, and they will end up playing him.

SD:

Long as don't trot him out to the crush of September , eventual playing time later in the year can be factored into your program going in .

If you'l recall its how Eli and McNabb were both worked in .

Yes they took a few lumps , but bumps dirt and water are good for growing boys ,makes them into men.

The limited experience in that first year was invaluable , because there is nothing beats actual hands on experience , and by the time they played the pressure to win wasn't there and you could actually evaluate and teach .

The flip side is The Seneca McCoy monster combined does so well , he doesn't get a sniff of play next year on a playoff run .

Madre Hill, Superstar wrote:A commenter at WFNY pointed out that the media tends to fawn over the next available QB like a teenage girl with a wall full of Justin Bieber pics. Luck was The Guy up until Indy had that pick locked up, then they were all over RGIII up until Washington traded. Now its Tannehill. Its the E$PN Hype Machine at work again.

I've seen Heckgrin operate, and I don't see them chasing a project at #4. Miami at #8? Sure, but, well, that's Miami. I'd rather be us than Miami.

Both organizations are viewed as absolute jokes. Both cities are broke.

Always felt the gulf side of Florida was more preferable than the Atlantic.

though, if you're looking to go clubbing, and live it up as a 20-something athlete, Miami it would be.

Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

Madre Hill, Superstar wrote:A commenter at WFNY pointed out that the media tends to fawn over the next available QB like a teenage girl with a wall full of Justin Bieber pics. Luck was The Guy up until Indy had that pick locked up, then they were all over RGIII up until Washington traded. Now its Tannehill. Its the E$PN Hype Machine at work again.

I've seen Heckgrin operate, and I don't see them chasing a project at #4. Miami at #8? Sure, but, well, that's Miami. I'd rather be us than Miami.