After AVENGERS 2, Is Puny Banner Rocketing To PLANET HULK??

I’m guessing most fans acknowledge at this point that Marvel’s “Avengers” is the easily the best Hulk movie to date, but the question remains: Can a great movie be made in which The Hulk is more than a supporting character?

Marvel movie chief Kevin Feige tells MTV that the studio is looking at some of the more popular print Hulk adventures, and not necessarily just the ones Stan Lee penned.

When asked by MTV if Planet Hulk is on the table, Feige replied, "Planet Hulk is a cool story. World War Hulk is a cool story."

That Feige is even contemplating the adaptation of these stories is spectacular news, I say.

The Planet Hulk storyline, written by Greg Pak and launched in 2006, is about what happens when Marvel’s other heroes decide Hulk is too dangerous to remain on Earth, so they maroon him on a distant planet where he is enslaved and forced to battle other monsters in gladiatorial combat.

The World War Hulk storyline could make an even better movie, as it depicts Hulk escaping back to Earth and seeking revenge against the heroes who ditched him.

There’s kind of a “Wrath of Khan” element here, since the heroes intended to situate Hulk on an idyllic planet, but a pesky wormhole redirects him toward Planet Sakaar, a place of horror and violence.

Feige confirms no Hulk movie will make its way to cinemas until after the release of Joss Whedon’s “Avengers 2” three years hence.

While these books made for good comicbook stories, they won't make good movies. Avengers has established the Hulk as a hero and part of the team. For them to send him away would read as a betrayal and audiences would wonder why Iron Man is being such a dick to his buddy Bruce/Hulk. How about a Wendigo movie instead?

First the winter soldier nonsense for Captain America 2, now this.
We've already gotten 3 movies with savage stupid Hulk. How about the Peter David stories when Hulk had Banner's intelligence? This is an angle movie audiences have not seen and in my mind were the most interesting Hulk tales anyways.
Marvel needs to bear in mind that comic readership is 1/10th what it was 20 years ago for a reason. Bringing Bucky back to life, banishing Hulk to another planet...this is all stuff that happened in the comics following 40+ years of continuity gave these characters and their histories have weight. Bringing Bucky back after one movie is not gonna have that weight. Neither will banishing Hulk to another planet.
Backslaps and blowjobs all around for Avengers, but that didn't make me forget both Fantastic Four movies, Spider-Man 3, Daredevil, the Hulk movies, Iron Man 2, the Punisher movies, Wolverine, X3, etc. Marvel is the anti-Pixar, they put out more crap than quality. They are batting what, .300 if you're generous (quality-movie wise)? That batting average in most industries gets you shit-canned.

They could have him endanger the mission kind of. I thought the point of Avengers was that he learned to control the rage. Maybe something could happen where Hulk somehow gets transported againts his will and thinks it was the Avengers fault. We can even show Tony and the others trying to save him from this fate but failing. This way they are taken aback when he finally comes back for World War Hulk and beats them all up. But it's only through reasoning do they finally tame the beast. But not before he rips Earths heroes a new one.

Non-readers wouldn't want to see it. Banner barely shows up during the whole story and I think "The Avengers" proved Hulk works best in small doses. Also it doesn't seem all that visually different than John Carter and audiences pretty much avoided that one. It would make a good movie if they somehow managed to truncate Planet Hulk and World War Hulk into one story along with what comes before it. It's a situation where every character's motivation is understandable. The Hulk may have helped before but at the end of the day he is an unstoppable monster filled with bottomless rage. He could piss away all the good will he accumulated in one rampage.

Hulk plotline. Man, AICN is the pits. Shit journalism at best. I know as fanboys we are supposed to ponder such things, but seeling this as a possible future movie it lame lame lame.
Anyway, The Leader and his gamma creatures is the logical choice. A great, and in this case somewhat comical and cliched, villain and an army of mutants for Hulk and the army to deal with. Lots of mass actions scenes, culminating perhaps in The Leader hulking up to fight Hulk. Perhaps he depowers him and turns him to Gray Hulk, with Hulk repowering and smashing everything at the end. Done and done.

Presumably Hulk's behavior could prove even more troublesome in "Avengers 2."
If you look at The Ulitmates comics, which seem as much an inspiration for the movies as The Avengers, the good guys conspire to execute Hulk following a particularly murderous rampage.

Picture Lenny from Mice and Men with about a million times the muscle power. Reason doesn't work, so despite intent, lots of things can and have gone wrong. The Avengers didn't have much choice but to deal with it. It would also be a great way to introduce characters like the Sub-Mariner who teamed with Hulk to give them battle.

We didn't have to see all the horrors that Khan endured. "Star Trek II" didn't even bother with flashbacks.
Also, I they already made "Planet Hulk" into an animated movie, so why not just skip ahead to all the exciting vengeance?

Now THAT would be some movie. In the original series he murdered hundreds of people and even ate some of them! Ultimates (at least the first volume) is the R rated version of the Avengers when you get right down to it.

How does Hulk get transported to an alien planet? Easy. During the climax of Avengers 2, Thanos uses the Infinity Gauntlet to send him far away from the battle. To the Avengers, it looks like Hulk was destroyed, or maybe they realize he got sent away. After Thanos' defeat, Hulk seems like a casualty of the battle, as the Avengers don't have a way of retrieving him.
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Hulk 2 is Planet Hulk. Hulk trapped on the planet which Thanos sent him to. In the film, Hulk reverts to Banner. This give Ruffalo screentime, reduces the budget of not having Hulk onscreen for the entire film, and increases drama as a human and vulnerable Banner must survive on an alien world. Maybe something about the planet prevents him from staying Hulk for too long?
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Gee. That wasn't too hard.

They'd only have to show the event that caused the other heroes to decide to deport Hulk to Planet Y, and whatever event causes him to be rerouted to Planet Hulk. Then he's merely offscreen until he comes back (very possibly as someone else's unwitting unguided weapon--I still suspect they'd go there) to smash puny nonfriends.

...since they've made the animated movie already, the filmmakers could take some liberties with the story to change up the beats a bit. Nothing big, just some character touches, and a few curve balls. I like when the material actually gets adapted a bit to suit the screen and I don't hold Planet Hulk the comic in such high regard that I need a panel-for-panel style recreation.

That is probably how they'd set up a Planet Hulk movie.
Hulk as a victim of a Thanos battle. Now that wormholes are going every which way in the MCU, I'd expect something like that to happen.
Also, the Red Skull will return in the same way Loki did, I'm sure.

Banner could decide that he must leave Earth because he is too much of a menace, for example.
Or you could have the end of Avengers 2 be a cliffhanger in which it appears that Hulk has sacrificed himself to save the world from Thanos, but instead ends up in Sakaar unbeknownst to the other Avengers.
And if you wanted to do the Planet Hulk story after that, you could easily have Hulk turn bad and lead a revenge mission back to earth. Have him be tortured and brainwashed in Sakaar, or have Loki find him and manipulate him.

I would say making Guardians of the Galaxy is a fair meter for how Planet Hulk would fair as a movie. In some ways they are similar as in introducing a lot of new, galactic style characters who non-comic book readers have never heard of.
If people take to Rocket Raccoon, Drex et al then it would be suggeest they may also take to Hulk's back up team in Planet Hulk.
Have to say without Planet Hulk, no World War Hulk. What else other than that story line is going to get him angry enough to take everyone out?
Questions questions questions, torturing me, pros and cons, yadda yadda yadda...
Aaaaaarrgghh (but basically more Ruffahulk = good)

He needed armor because he was vulnerable on Sakaar. He was incredibly powerful, but for some reason he could be injured. I absolutely love Planet Hulk, the animated adaptation was lackluster and glossed over way too much. The replacement of Silver Surfer with Beta Ray Bill was a huge curveball for me.

And in a way it pains me to say this, because I fucking worship Ed Norton, as the now cliched phrase goes, I'd pay to watch him read the phone book, but at the same time, at least both Eric Bana and Mark Ruffalo actually LOOKED LIKE what the Hulk was in his fullest form. Generally speaking the face, and the black hair. That was one detail that always threw me about Norton's Hulk, the monster looked absolutely nothing like him. Whereas, you could see that sort of end result coming from both Bana and Ruffalo.<br>
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Maybe that's a tedious criticism at this point, just sayin...

Most of you are joyless and fucking retarded. The rest of you understand a two movie storyline with Planet Hulk first and WWH second is fucking brilliant. Yes there was an animated movie, but you and I both know a live action version would be way more intense. I'll be back in five years to shove it in the faces of everyone who thinks this idea sucks.

I agree with the idea of Hulk not being sent there because of bad behavior, but as a casualty through a wormhole in Avengers 2. It would be neat to have Hulk try to get Banner to come out to figure out how to deal with things.

Also, IMO the best Marvel story of all time was Infinity Gauntlet, and that came out post 1990. and for someone with the name "webslinger", you aught to know the best spidey comics came out in the 90's...

The tv series worked brilliantly. I'd prefer to see the hulk continue as a hero and not the villain for the Avengers. I enjoyed the portrayal in Avengers, but the Bixby/Ferrigno version is still the best.

Then I would have been the happiest person in the theater. I know a lot of die hard Marvel fans give The Ultimates shit, but it delivered fantastic storylines with well rounded characters who were both insanely badass, full of great one liners, and also packed an emotional punch, all in a single contained package.
Things like having Thor's origin being in doubt, Hulk being held accountable for his actions, Captain Asshole and the realistically flawed Pyms, and Hawkeye's entire arc (including the single most badass 1-2 punch scenes ever put to page- yes, the kitchen and the fingertips) would have tipped The Avengers and it's sequel into awesomess on a level I can't even imagine.
What we got was fantastic, but they were written pretty much as films already and did an even better job of it.

I Mean hell, who doesn't love the Hulk?honestly? There's already an animated one so why not a live action one especially since we finally the perfect guy to play Bruce/Hulk. another thing can you dumbasses not read(those complaining) it said AFTER..Avengers 2 ok, by the time that movies comes out who knows how the Hulk would come out of that. yeah he was depicted as a team player in the first Avengers but he could flip out in the next one I mean after it is the damn Hulk we're talking about.

And I've never read the comic version of Planet Hulk, but other than a random, unnecessary Beta Ray Bill cameo that movie was wholly self-contained and pretty damn good.
Avengers 2, maybe Hulk goes Berserk in the 3rd act twist. They lock Banner in the Helicarrier and he wakes up in the credits.
Iron Man 4, Nick Fury gets fired for using Bruce Banner as a weapon. Tony Stark has to deal with the repercussions of his involvement and steps up as interum Director of SHIELD. Throw in the entire IM cast as they work to take down the Hulk.
Planet Hulk, the Avengers send Hulk into Space in the First Act.
Avengers 3, Hulk returns to Earth to put the smack down on the Avengers once and for all.

PLANET HULK was made into an animated movie, which I really didn't like it was too watered down from the comic. Plus Feige said more on this topic which AICN didn't add: http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/172813-kevin-feige-on-the-future-of-the-hulk
Give it to AICN to just take bits of quotes and run with it.

I collected Hulk during that time too.. always liked that storyline. A savage mindless Hulk left in the crossroads able to choose his new world, but where ever he went violence followed him. Thought the banishment to Sakaar was kinda of similar in a way.

It's obvious Marvel wants to do GOG because it's a concept that can be crossovered with Avengers 2 when the Avengers faces Thanos. I figure GOG it's various space heroes that face Thanos and fails at it. Wich lead to the Avengers facing Thanos in Avengers 2 in space and Hulk gets thrown to the far end of a galaxy during the fight and crashland on Planet Hulk.

I would rather go thru some Herb Trimpe era tales (or JR Jr) where Hulk develops some personality before they go all Peter Davidy smart-hulk on us.
Smart-hulk is just not Hulk. Might as well be Super-man.

Now THAT would be a cool story!
And the Planet Hulk story could have a very natural setup with Avengers 2 if Thanos and space travel is involved. Although the John Carter comparison would be hard to overcome.

Ignore the Planet Hulk and WWH storylines for a minute.
Banner is a guy constantly in search of a cure to his condition. He's scoured the Earth, where is the next logical place for him to look? Space. So whatever the fallout is that comes from Avengers 2, i.e. his actions as Hulk killed an Avenger(Ant Man would be great.. nobody likes him anyways.. so Hulk accidentally steps on him).. whatever... he then decides to use whatever space thingy they come across defeating/supressing Thanos and exile himself to the stars, searching for a planet with the technology to cure himself.
Any type of WWH movie would deal with what he found and how it plays into the overall phase.

Planet Hulk, while as fun as it is, is still a reworking of a Lee/Kirby FF story where the Thing is captured by Skrulls and sold into gladiatoral slavery into a society run by gangsters (think of the great classic Trek episode "A Piece of the Action". The basic plot structure of Planet Hulk is exact to the Thing tale. So it ain't brand spankin' new, is my point, but what is? Would it make a great movie? Oh, hell yes. My favorite Hulk is the "Hulk Smash" Hulk with the Sci-Fi bent where he battles Bi-Beast in outer space kinda stuff - the Ernie Chan stuff is my absolute favorite. The Peter David stuff got real old toward the end of his run. Another Hulk movie should be an Earth bound effort with a Sci-Fi threat and a lot of destruction that would then logically lead to a Planet Hulk storyline.

You almost took the words right out of my mouth. With the character of Bruce Banner in the initial Avengers film, they've established him as a man who can turn the Hulk on at anytime or during a fight or flight circumstance (re: aboard the helicarrier).
He cannot however turn it off at will. But, he has learned to accept these other heroes.
By the way, I've known several alternate story lines of most of these characters and the DC comics as well. When I was eight years old, President Kennedy was assassinated. When they released us early from school that day I walked home with my neighbor, Dennis who gave me a couple of his comics to peruse that night. One of those was the very first issue of The Avengers comic. I had been collecting Fantastic Four issues for nearly two years along side the DC comics my Dad gave me once or twice a month in addition to my allowance (I think it was a dime a week) so of course I had to beg him for a subscription.
Last year I started digital subscription for my son who is now 10. He loves them along with a few issues I picked up on a lark during the '80s. But to be honest, I gave him those subscriptions so I could read them, too!
But I went off on a very long tangent. I have noticed by reading the newer issues that they keep retelling origin stories to make the character more relatable.
The Avengers of the Whedon-verse would not banish the Hulk or try to kill him. Although, as you said, Thanos could use it on Hulk OR ... perhaps another villain intercepts the Infinity Gauntlet (we could have old style Avengers with Bobbi Morse as Huntress stealing it - in the next film, she is revealed to be Mockingbird, a hero who was working undercover for, it turns out, a few of Fury's superiors in the government who then used the newly captured device to send the Hulk (or maybe even Banner) to a "lifeless" planet at the end of the credits of Avenger's 2.
Now, it turns out that the group that sent him were called "The Illuminati" whose members include Prince Namor, Dr. Strange, and Black Bolt. I'm leaving Tony Stark from the list, because it doesn't fit into the Whedon-verse. In addition, we need to find replacements for Dr. Xavier and Reed Richards since Marvel can't use all their characters.
This would be a good lift-off point for future Sub-Mariner or Dr. Strange films or at least drop them into other films that could use their particular milieu. Let's widen this universe.
I could even imagine a World War Hulk where Strange and Namor team up with the Avengers to contain the Hulk and Dr. Henry Pym and others look for a way for him to shut down the monster when Banner needs to stop.
Oh well, that's just the babbling of an old man. Now you whippersnappers "git" off my lawn before I start chattin' up your chairs.

Replace Nightmare with Thanos being the cause of Banner losing is intellect inside the mind of The Hulk (using this as a springboard to introduce some of the PAD aspects of the Hulk). You can rework the "psychic suicide" into a more tragic Banner sacrifice to shut down a Thanos controlled Hulk that backfires, creating rationale for Hulk's having to be banished. It can be done via the start of the Crossroads story in the heat of battle involving The Avengers vs. using the Illuminati set up for Planet Hulk and achieve the same result. It might also provide a solid use for Dr. Strange to appear in the mix given his direct phyisical involvement in the act of banishing The Hulk the first time out. <P>
Then you can do a straight up Planet Hulk or work in some more Crossroads aspects, allowing Banner's persona to slowly awaken as Hulk's predicament forces his instinctual, bestial self to evolve from rudimentary intellect to cunning warrior and survivor. This could provide for some more Mantlo influenced background for Banner that helped fuel the PAD material and that style of "inner interactions" for Banner and Hulk (and maybe even allow Banner and "the other guy" to form a trust bond with circumstances forcing Hulk to relinquish control and allow Banner to emerge). <P>
Problem here is, this might severely alter the premise of a World War Hulk type situation in terms of the vengeance aspect given the circumstances of both Hulk's exile and the motivation to make that come about. I hadn't really thought that far ahead as yet. I just happen to love Mantlo's work on Hulk and think it fits really well with the Planet Hulk scenario.

Some characters are just more badass when they on the side, that includes Hawkeye and Widow. Remember how cool Wolverine was before they gave him is own piece of crap movie? Hulk didn't become cool until he was pushed to a supporting role. When they get their own movies they suffer from overexposure and tend to get to serious and weepy anyway, the way they're doing it now allows them to have fun and leaves us excited to see more, so if they just stick to the current formula and they'll do no wrong.

Bruce Banner. The Planet Hulk movie, was about the Hulk, not Bruce Banner. In the Avengers universe as we know it now, Hulk and Banner switch back and forth. There hasn't come that moment yet when the Hulk becomes the dominant part in existence almost full time and Bruce is the minor character yet. You can't jump right into this until the point where Hulk overtakes Banner, and without doing that as part of its own movie, Planet Hulk really can't work.

... For giving empty, vapid, no-talent hacks one opportunity after another to make bad, forgettable movies while anyone who wants to try something more imaginative and deeper gets laughed at and scorned.

don't ditch the good work thats been done in avengers. He's no longer the misunderstood outcast, but a nerdy hero, who overcame his adversity. This is one reason Hulk works in Avengers. Planet Hulk and WWH would both be regressive in these terms.

of his old stories. Rebirth of Thanos, Thanos Quest, etc.
As a big fan of his, i am glad for being the main focus right now.
I only hope Whedon does a great job with him and turn him into an iconic movie villain too.

Hulk as a killer? Who the hell wants to see that? Really.
Most look back on Ang Lee's film as a disappointment. It still made more money than Leterrier's non-sequel. If you think a few great yet fleeting moments in Whedon's film means that the studio will enthusiastically fund a live action Planet Hulk, then you're dreaming.
Personally, I'm pissed that after three fucking films that Hulk himself hasn't been explored as a character. He's just been represented as an expansion of Banner's id. We've gotten only one line of dialog out of him in each movie except for Lee's, and still it was only two lines there. That hasn't done the character any justice at all.
Pick any misunderstood monster story from the Herb Trimpe era, and I'd be one happy fanboy.

...and start listening to the idiots here who think they shouldn't mine their immensely rich comic book catalogue for story ideas.
Instead .. . Lets be arrogant stupid fucks like Apple and REINVENT THE WHEEL!

Most of those characters are tied up in licensing with Fox. I don't know who has the rights to Namor, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's tied to the FF. Unless Marvel were to buy the rights back from Fox, they'd have to run out the clock. I'd love to see it happen, but it could take years and years.
And judenw is a misandrous racist.

After the Ang Lee and Louis Letterier movies - we don't need to see another "Banner on the run looking for a cure" movie, especially after the events of "The Avengers". It's been done to death now.
Ruffalo deserves a chance to shine in his old Hulk movie, and he deserves a Hulk storyline that's fresh (for the screen at least) for him to headline.
I don't think they should wait till after the Avengers sequel though... they could do this project now, and have his return to Earth be the START of The Avengers sequel. Could be good.
Now all I need to hear is that Neill Blomkamp is directing and then I'm fucking IN.

I was expecting a cheesy straight to dvd movie but wow was i wrong, wont tell you plot details because there are some awesome twists & surprises; Bruce is back to his best since 12 Monkeys - Die Hard - days, great story and great action a real unexpected pleasure.
Finally a movie that engages your brain as well as your eyeballs.
Now if Bond is good & The Hobbit rocks 2012 wont be remembered just for overhyped crap like avengers tdkr JC & Battleshit!

You might want to get your rants straight. UA2 expanded the team(s) into a worldwide storyline full of various races and cultures. So which is it? Should Avengers 2 bring in a more diverse team, or was Ultimates 2 shit?
One of the main fucking plot points of the story was that too much power in any nation's hands can be abused, which is why the heroes disband from national control. It wasn't an "America is bad!!" story nor was it "Arabs are bad!!" because both sides of "heroes" were misguided. Addressing the political implications of literal superpowers was both grounding and interesting, and just because they touched on a war between east and west didn't give it some massive political agenda.

Right on, Brother. Loved Norton as Banner, and the movie was a great effort, IMHO. I know it's the trendy thing to gush praise on Ruffalo, probably because the Hulk was allowed to kick ass in AVENGERS, and because the AVENGERS overall was so popular, but I never bought him as Banner. Looked like a jock/body builder, had a smart ass, not vulnerable, persona and really just didn't do it for me. The guy's a fine actor, but all of this "definitive Hulk" stuff rings hollow.

*Hulk works now because he's a positive character
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don't ditch the good work thats been done in avengers. He's no longer the misunderstood outcast, but a nerdy hero, who overcame his adversity. This is one reason Hulk works in Avengers. Planet Hulk and WWH would both be regressive in these terms. *
What the fuck are you talking about?
Nerdy hero?
Goddamn. Please do ever talk about the motherfucking Hulk that way again.

Someone mentioned the Clone Sage above, if Fox was smart they would work a clone into the end of the next Spider-man movie and just add a twist that the clone looks a little different than Peter Parker and spin off a Scarlett Spider tv series.
That would be cool as shit. But it would be on Fox and woould get cancelled after 2 episodes. Maybe FX could get it?

If I was in charge, during Avengers 2 I would establish that Banner has mostly figured out how to have his personality when he is the Hulk. Then have Thanos transport Hulk to Sakaar at the climax of the movie (the rest of the Avengers think he is dead). For what ever reason Banner can only be the Hulk for short periods of time while on Sakaar that way you would still have Banner in the movie, and becuase Hulk is not just a dumb beast you can stand watching the Hulk on screen for half the movie.
You could also use the opportunity to introduce whatever other characters in to the Marvel Movie Universe (Betta Ray Bill, Super Skrull, The Eternals, The Watcher, etc...).

Pull a Smeagol/Gollum with Banner and Hulk arguing over who should be in charge while they're trapped on the alien planet. Banner wants to help, the Hulk doesn't give a shit. Gradually the Hulk starts to get a conscience and a will of his own. Banner tunes out when things get violence. Hulk mocks puny Banner for lacking the urge to smash.
Alien booty call for the Hulk but at the same time his love interest respects Banner's intellect and courage. But she really wants to bone the Hulk.
Instant love triangle. Banner gets cock-blocked by himself...and friendzoned by the alien chick he's kinda/sorta technically sleeping with.
Also, Bruce Banner can be the achilles heel.
A side note: John Carter of Mars had shitty advertising. They were afraid to actually say "MARS" in the ads and there were random narrative segues for emotional manipulation that had NOTHING to do with the actual scene (really, burying his wife and daughter is what he's thinking about as he's slaughtering hundreds of random alien people he doesn't even care about?)
It was a bad script. Worse, John Carter had more chemistry with a 9 foot, four-armed alien covered in branding than he did with random hot chick but he ends up with random hot chick.

I saw a couple of Alan Moore interviews off of your link too, much appreciated. :>. As far as Hulk goes, Personally I want to see the more fantasical elements of the character be it future imperfect Hulk, Bouncer Hulk or Planet Hulk. Saying that, I really Enjoy The DC animations a lot & some of the Marvel ones have been ok too so seeing these stories in normal people films is a bonus not a necessity...........apart from Punisher, seriously can somebody please just adapt the serious Garth Ennis stories [as opposed to the jokey ones] :>.