Dave - yeah, I'm a perfectionist, sometimes too much! I might make it to Oasis for a day trip, will try like hell to stop by & say Hi. I'm gonna be working that weekend on wrapping up construction docs for a huge project. My luck...

Hewey - Yep, I think Larry's definitely in the old school class of carvers, which made him all the more interesting to chat with. Not too many of his generation out there carving these days, if any... at least in Hawaii. Now, the CAD thing... It's funny, I've often wondered how many out there are using computers to work out their designs (CAD, Adobe Illustrator, Sketchup, etc.), how many on paper with pencils, how many just grab a log & start carving? It seems like there's a little bit of a stigma thing? Just like the old carvers were reluctant to break out the chainsaws for demonstration, cause the paying customers all wanted to see "authentic" tikis being carved with chisels. For me, I guess I just gotta use whatever voodoo works best!

Cammo - Double take for sure... almost caused an accident!!

Seeks - will do! Thanks for the comps

TGap - Long time (Coontiki Alumni Association)! Look him up, I'm sure you'll find him if you follow my general directions. There's only one Subway shop in Waimea, can't miss it. Funny story on the State Pen... Did you check your wallet when you walked off?

Big T - More updates to come, thanks for the comps.

Sven - That lamp is beautiful. Did it come from the Tahitian, or was it simply inspired by it? I see what you meant, they used a clever design to avoid interpreting the back & side views. Thanks for digging that up for me!

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-Pablo Picasso

YES, it IS great to have you back carving with your precision layout and attention to detail. No one does it better! this guy is no exception! keep us posted with lots of progress shots? Thanks!
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On 2009-07-23 19:15, Aaron's Akua wrote:It's funny, I've often wondered how many out there are using computers to work out their designs (CAD, Adobe Illustrator, Sketchup, etc.), how many on paper with pencils, how many just grab a log & start carving? It seems like there's a little bit of a stigma thing? Just like the old carvers were reluctant to break out the chainsaws for demonstration, cause the paying customers all wanted to see "authentic" tikis being carved with chisels. For me, I guess I just gotta use whatever voodoo works best!

AA, yep I've wondered the same thing. Like, how "authentic" is one method over another. And, if I was super cool, shouldn't I be able to just hack into the wood and come out with something really nice?? LOL So far, that latter method ain't workin too good. I've mostly made rough sketches on the log and then cut in. But lately I've been sketching/practising them on paper first, then sketching it out on the log.

Actually, I think that all the tikis seen here are "authentic" because you can tap it with your hand! But I also raised many questions about the "method" and technique of ancients carvers.
Some things are certain: everyone has adapted his sculptures with means available to their time... Historically we know that the océanic carving, but also the tattoos, are more quickly progress with the arrival of iron tools led by explorers... When they did not burn and kill everybody...
It is a vast and complex subject, but I think what do with the means of his time is not heresy.
Then free to everyone to use a computer or a knife of obsidian,it is just to do with the heart and to enjoy!

That said, I follow the progression of this piece with great interest...

TBT & laojia: All good points! I love discussing this kind of thing and getting everyone's ideas & opinions.

I guess my own personal philosophy is that it doesn't matter how you get there - what matters is how the carving comes out when you're done. Everyone has a different approach that works best for them. I know a few guys around here use Adobe Illustrator to figure out their designs before they start carving. Some others use pencil and paper. I think Ben does it all in his head, which blows my mind. Whatever the method, the important thing is knowing what you want it to look like before you start carving.

I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who uses CAD around here. It's my tool of choice because I've been using different versions of it at work for the past 20 years or so. These days, the architecture and engineering industry is moving towards Revit, which is a fully 3D building modeling program, and super complicated. For tikis I just stick with straight old 2D CAD. All you really need is lines, circles, and arcs. Any generic CAD shareware program will do these basics.

Back when I first started carving, I really spent a lot of time trying to get everything exact.

The carving came out pretty good, but the method was way too complicated!

So, like everyone, my method is evolving as I go. I still use CAD because for me it's 10 times easier than trying to sketch by hand. Easy is good! What I'm doing different is this - I do it quick and I don't plot out full size templates anymore. The CAD drawing is just a map to figure out where I'm headed. Once the design is drawn up at any scale, I can turn all of the lines and arcs into a single entity and scale the whole thing to fit the proportions of my log. At that point it's in real life dimensions in the computer. Then I just throw some dimensions on it at the obvious cut points. The big difference is that I spend a lot less time trying to get things perfect in the computer. This was done on my lunch break one day:

From there I just transfer cut marks & stuff by hand using tape measure, sharpie & straight edge. The CAD drawing gives me the measurements that I'm trying to stick with to keep everything proportional.

I try to keep centerlines on the log, marking it back up after cuts. Usually I'll draw one half on the log, then use some tracing paper to copy it. Then I cut it out, flip it, and draw the shape out on the other side. Cardboard templates are good if you plan on making several pieces from the same design, but this on-the-fly method works well for one-off's.

Okay, this log is really starting to give me trouble. Turns out the core is rotten, and with this deep design, I'm starting to cut right into it. The middle looks and feels like grey styrofoam. Here's the neck...

I had to break out my secret weapon, the "BK Duckbill Chisel", just to keep the cuts sharp where I plunged down into the chest. It's really starting to get stringy on me.

The BK chisel is ground down to about 1/16" thick, and the sides are sharpened as well. This allows you to plunge deep into the wood without getting the chisel stuck. Not that that would be a problem with this soft stringy part.

I really wanted to copy the Tahitian, but it looks like I'll need to change the design a bit to deal with the wood. If I taper these arms back into the shoulders, it's gonna fall apart on me. And if I don't, it's not gonna look right.

Thinking.... _________________"Ah, good taste! What a dreadful thing! Taste is the enemy of creativeness."
-Pablo Picasso

Good to see more of your design/transfer process. I have used some paper templates similar to what you are doing here. On one of the tikis I am currently working on, I wanted the hands to be the same size and have the same appearance so after i drew the first one on the log, I traced it and made a pattern to draw it on the other side of the body.