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Well it's about practicality. You can't pull a load with a motorbike. The bike would be for long trips to save fuel or for just tooling around town. The truck would be for hauling metal, wood or for pulling trailers and stuff.

I was just trying to shed some light on the term. A 'chopper' isn't a kind of bike, it's about what the bike had done to it. You're right about MOST choppers looking a certain way, but it's not that look that makes it a chopper.

What you said was analogous to me saying 'It's not rock music because it doesn't have any guitar in it'. While most rock music does have guitar, that's not what defines it.

I would wager that at this point, despite the history, choppers are indeed necessarily possessed of a particular look. I don't get the sense that many people seriously into motorcycles would accept something as a chopper if it didn't have that look.

I guess you could make the same argument about rock bands and guitars.

I'm not really willing to sit here and argue the point, though.

I'm sure what the author was referring to was the stretched front and, and the larger rake angle, which is typical of a chopper.

You're saying it's not a chopper because it doesn't have the 'look' you associate with a chopper. The auther is arguing that, with all it's modern styleing, the stretched front end and rake give it that look.

I'm just saying, you and he are both using the term in a vague, meaningless, way. He's no more wrong than you are, because your definition doesn't include any absolutes, just some vague 'I know it when I see it'.

Now, if you took the bike in that picture, and chopped it to the frame, you could call it a 'cyberpunk chopper', and I bet no one would argue the point.

My point is that word has a definition. It's not about a 'look' specifically. If you're going to argue that someone else is using a word incorrectly, try learning what the word means in the first place.

I got what the author thought the word meant, but you disagree with his personal definition of the word, but then replace it with your own.

I tried to give you the ACTUAL DEFINITION of the word, and you argue with me. Is this willful ignorance or a need for conflict? Either way, this conversation no longer serves any purpose.

You're a real jerk, and I'm sorry I tried to explain anything to you. I hope you get around some bikers, and say 'Choppers are those bikes with that 'Harley' look to them', and watch them give you a look like 'Wow, what an asshole'.

You might even see me there, since my dad was a hardcore biker, and I've been rididng my whole life. But don't take my word for it, go find someone with that 'Harley look' to roll their eyes for you.

I was trying to be polite, but kid, you know fuck-all about bikes, and your inability to admit you're wrong is exhausting.