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So when I came into this show I wasn't really sure what to expect, but I quickly found myself taken a back by how quickly these characters were growing on me, how even the pace was, how stable the production values were, and how much of a thriller the plot turned out to be in the second half. It may come as no surprise, but typically I'm not a fan of the visual novel adaptation scene in the slightest. For the most part I find the average one chock full of bland characters, inconsistant production values, bland romantic love triangles and a second half that's typically more emotional manipulation than intriguing and high stakes.

Steins;Gate offered me something different, it offered me a visual novel adaptation that I could actually see myself recommending to some of my friends. I don't think that's happened since the Higurashi adaptations, and we all sadly know how those have ended up as of late. They're no match for this one on the production value side or arguably even the pacing and writing side, so I have to say....Steins;Gate is easily the best visual novel adaptation I've ever seen hands down. I think that counts for a lot more in the long run than any rating I could ever possibly assign it.

I mentioned to someone yesterday that I kind of view Steins;Gate the same way I do Madoka Magica, but now that I think of it that might be an inappropriate comparison. The thing is, I already kind of liked the magical girl genre going in so already there was a hook for me, but for Steins;Gate it had to do it all from the ground up. I think it helps if you have some source material other than a dating sim, but I also think to put too much emphasis on that sort of thing cheapens what White Fox accomplished here with Steins;Gate. They've justified the right for the visual novel adaptation to persist into whatever era of anime is coming, and that is by no means an easy feat considering where I started with this genre at the beginning of the year.

Nope, same world line, and YES they should've bumped into themselves.
Of course if Suzuha set the machine for 5 seconds before they would arrive before their other selves and hence change the time stream.

But Suzuha disappearing at the end? That shouldn't have happened. Suzuha would just exist out of the stream since she was in the machine. And Future Okarin still needs to build the machine to send Suzuha to the past to ensure that this time line is correct.

What are you talking about ? Each time you use the time machine, you're in a different time line. That's why you can use a time machine.

What should he have then? He can't just openly walk around with a katana, and guns are very much illegal for anyone to own in Japan if you aren't with the police. That doesn't leave him many options.

Oh, come on, in this anime every other CRT-lover has a gun, not to mention random unemployed sociopath girls

But what I really mean, the whole scene feels forced and underdeveloped. A villain is meeting his daughter who happens to offer him a paper on her time travel theory. Good stuff, says he, having turned a couple pages, and announces that he is going to steal it. Then some guy shows up. Oh, I see, says the villain, you people conspired against me. And he pulls out what? A pocket knife. Why? To kill everyone, indeed.
Why doesn't he quietly run away to Russia, nobody could stop him anyway...

He wasn't planning to kill Kurisu. He did it in a moment of anger when he thought Okabe and Kurisu were conspiring against him. So it wasn't like he woke up one day and was like "Hmm, I think I'll shoot my daughter and random people lol", he just happened to have a knife on him.

Him having anything else, would be the more asinine plot twist, me thinks.

Oh, come on, in this anime every other CRT-lover has a gun, not to mention random unemployed sociopath girls

But what I really mean, the whole scene feels forced and underdeveloped. A villain is meeting his daughter who happens to offer him a paper on her time travel theory. Good stuff, says he, having turned a couple pages, and announces that he is going to steal it. Then some guy shows up. Oh, I see, says the villain, you people conspired against me. And he pulls out what? A pocket knife. Why? To kill everyone, indeed.
Why doesn't he quietly run away to Russia, nobody could stop him anyway...

I don't think it's underdeveloped at all; it's been clear throughout the entire anime that the Professor has been living in the shadow of his own daughter, himself being unable to match up to her superior intellect and scientific abilities. Upon seeing Okabe, whom he had previously also saw before humiliating him in the press conference, his rage + his past with Makise led him to the conclusion that they were planning to humiliate him all along, and even working together towards that(his delusion).

Pent-up hatred for his daughter + plus the delusion that Okabe and Kurisu had been planning to humiliate him = VIOLENT RAGE

Moreover that hatred just did not come out of nowhere. Kurisu had told Okarin well about it when she opened up to him in a previous episode (Okabe joked about her being struck by thunder in the plains of Arkansas and Kurisu told him to shut it and listen).

When you think of episode 1 and that monologue of hers in that one episode where she told Okabe about her dad, it is easy to think that Makise being at Nakabashi's conference before that very first d-mail = daughter visiting dad in hope to get his approval. Moreover, it makes sense that perhaps Kurisu took on her mother's name, if that name is Makise, because father distanced from Kurisu's family.

Only if you made a significant change. That's why Okarin Killing Christina the first time meant he returned to the same timeline (Where Mayuri has his phone).

But Suzuha shouldn't have vanished. That would not happen inside a time machine.

The Steins;Gate line is a separate line, like how the "Alpha" and "Beta" lines are separate lines.

Because the Steins Gate line prevents WW3 and the SERN Dystopia from happening, Suzuha never had to travel back into the past in the first place, hence why she disappeared. Doesn't mean she doesn't exist though.

To me, the whole Nakabachi thing felt kind of artificial. Seriously, from a villain who doesn't mind killing his own daughter you'd expect something more than a pocket knife

Well if he knew she was showing up perhaps. But from what I know you can legally have a knife on you in Japan if it is under a certain length. Who knows some guy like him probably has one on him at all times....being all I dunno I just peg him as a person who would carry one.

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Is called opinion, everyone has a personal opinion, not only good ones but bad ones too, it never catch me and still i find the show slow and weak. Not impressed and probably i will forget in 2 days. I rated it 5/10 for this reason.
Best for you maybe. Best for me is Kamidoll for summer 2011. And best Nitroplus visual novel is still Saya no Uta not this (Urobuchi best work), IMO.

That is fine you can have your opinion, I thought you were just trolling since I didn't recall seeing you post much on the episodes. Haven't played that one yet by them, I will give it a go.

Only if you made a significant change. That's why Okarin Killing Christina the first time meant he returned to the same timeline (Where Mayuri has his phone).

But Suzuha shouldn't have vanished. That would not happen inside a time machine.

Steins;Gate world line is one world line which has an uncertain future. Suzuha in episode 23 told Okarin that Steins;Gate world line is not bounded to any attractor field, hence the line will have infinite possible futures.

What happened in that time machine scene in episode 24 was that the world started to restructure to enter Steins;Gate. Because Steins;Gate has an uncertain future, Suzuha may or may not be borned, unless Okarin in the Steins;Gate world line observes and confirms Suzuha's existance 7 years later, Suzuha should not appear in year 2010 Steins;Gate world line. It's just like Schrodinger's cat experiment, just that now Suzuha is the cat in this situation.

They've justified the right for the visual novel adaptation to persist into whatever era of anime is coming, and that is by no means an easy feat considering where I started with this genre at the beginning of the year.

I agree. Now other than KyoAni I have another studio that I can put my faith in for quality visual novel adaptation. (FU DEEN)

Steins;Gate has set another benchmark for the VN adaptation, let's see if there's going to be another series that will challenge it.

Considering that Dr. Nakabachi stole the papers from Kurisu and then ran with them, he probably had no way of making a digital copy.

Er, Nakabachi flees to Russia on August 21. He had three freaking weeks to make a copy (digital or analog it doesn't matter). Sorry but it is a stretch.

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But Suzuha disappearing at the end? That shouldn't have happened. Suzuha would just exist out of the stream since she was in the machine. And Future Okarin still needs to build the machine to send Suzuha to the past to ensure that this time line is correct.

Suzuha should have disappeared the exact moment that the time machine got back to 8/21. I suppose they left the scene intentionally vague.
Okarin doesn't need to remake the time machine because he's in a different worldline now. It's the same thing with the D-mail: you receive it even if you never sent it in the current worldline. Their version of time travel allows an effect without a cause.

Er, Nakabachi flees to Russia on August 21. He had three freaking weeks to make a copy (digital or analog it doesn't matter). Sorry but it is a stretch.

Making any copy is the last thing you want to do if you are about to flee to a country for protection in exchange for some supposedly secret information. Because if you make any copies, especially a digital copy, you risk it being stolen or copied infinite amount of times thus making your information worthless, thus your bargaining chip is lost in the process.

The sane and logical thing is to actually have one and only one copy which you never leave it out of sight.

Steins;Gate world line is one world line which has an uncertain future. Suzuha in episode 23 told Okarin that Steins;Gate world line is not bounded to any attractor field, hence the line will have infinite possible futures.

What happened in that time machine scene in episode 24 was that the world started to restructure to enter Steins;Gate. Because Steins;Gate has an uncertain future, Suzuha may or may not be borned, unless Okarin in the Steins;Gate world line observes and confirms Suzuha's existance 7 years later, Suzuha should not appear in year 2010 Steins;Gate world line. It's just like Schrodinger's cat experiment, just that now Suzuha is the cat in this situation.

It's not even that. The Steins;Gate line is not the same that the beta one. So the Suzuha of the Beta one can't be in the Steins;Gate one. That's all. The Suzuha of the Beta one is a Suzuha who live in a world where the WW3 happened. She can't be in a world where there is no WW3.

It's not even that. The Steins;Gate line is not the same that the beta one. So the Suzuha of the Beta one can't be in the Steins;Gate one. That's all. The Suzuha of the Beta one is a Suzuha who live in a world where the WW3 happened. She can't be in a world where there is no WW3.

Of course I know Steins;Gate world line is not the same as the Beta attractor field. Suzuha herself had told Okarin that Steins;Gate world line is not bounded by any attractor field, hence the future may not end up in SERN dystopia or WWIII. We knew that Suzuha in both Alpha and Beta attractor field travelled back to the past because they wanted to change the future, therefore if Steins;Gate world line has a peaceful future, "Suzuha in Steins;Gate world line" would not have a reason to travel back to the past to meet Okarin. What I am trying to point out is the uncertainty of future in Steins;Gate world line. Steins;Gate is a world line which is completely new to Okarin. He does not know what will the future behold. Nobody travels back to 2010 to tell Okarin what's going on in the future, hence we don't even know whether the future might be a peaceful one or a violent one. But more importantly, Okarin (and thus us viewers) don't know whether Suzuha even "exists" in the future. What if Daru finds and married other woman which is not Suzuha's mother in Alpha and Beta attractor field? Can we assume the baby born would be Suzuha? Would the baby ever be borned in the future? And we don't even know the sex of the baby borned. The future is literally in the dark for Okarin and us. That's why when Okarin gave Daru the badge in the lab near the end of the episode, he told Daru about "a lab member that may appear 7 years later" and encouraged him as well because it depends on Daru whether or not Suzuha will be borned in the future.