<quoted text>you can not debate me, because you have nothing to debate with,you can not prove anything about your church is true.

There IS NOTHING TO DEBATE!! Go read the Catholic Catechism and the Encyclical if you want answers.--- I know EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING that is in the Catechism and the Encyclicals. Discover and read it for yourself! I spent over 4 years researching these documents and writings. NOT WORTH MY TIME discussing your anti-catholic "personal editorialized opinions vs the TRUTH OF SACRED SCRIPTURE AND THE TRUTH OF APOSTOLIC CHURCH HISTORY!! Go argue with your other 42,000 bible only inconsistent and contradicting protestant interpretors of Sacred Scripture.

<quoted text>Jacob and his sons is where the tribes of Israel come in and the term jew derived from the tribe of Juda in which the lineage Christ would come.Hebrews were before hand like Abraham and his kinsman and Isacc.read your Bible.

The first person to be called a Hebrew was Abraham, and the name commonly refers to his descendants, known as the Jewish people. so your statement is INCORRECT.LOL. LIKE ALWAYS.

<quoted text>The first person to be called a Hebrew was Abraham, and the name commonly refers to his descendants, known as the Jewish people. so your statement is INCORRECT.LOL. LIKE ALWAYS.

Old Testament Life and Literature (1968)Gerald A. Larue

Chapter 8 Who Were the Hebrews?ACCORDING to biblical tradition, the Hebrews are peoples descended from Shem, one of Noah's sons, through Eber, the eponymous ancestor, and Abraham. Gen. 7:22 f., reports that the flood destroyed all life except that in Noah's ark consequently the whole human family descended from Noah and his sons: Japheth, Ham and Shem. As yet, not all of the names of eponymous ancestors in the family lines can be identified,1 but some probabilities are listed in Chart 6

From Shem, through Arpachshad and Shelah came Eber, the eponymous ancestor of the Hebrews, and from his descendants through Peleg, Reu, Sereg and Nahor came Terah, the father of Abram and his brothers Nahor and Haran. It becomes clear that if Hebrews are descendants of Eber, then others besides those of Abraham's line would be included (Gen. 10:25-27)

Gen. 12-25 With Abraham the story of the Hebrews begins and it is clearly stated that Hebrew origins lay outside Canaan. The summons to leave his ancestral home and journey to Canaan is accompanied by a promise (Gen. 12:2) that becomes a submotif in patriarchal accounts re-appearing again and again (Gen. 13:14, 15:5 , 18:10, 22:17, 26:24, 28:13, 32:12, 35:9, 48:16), finally taking covenantal form (Gen. 17:14) The promise has two parts: nationhood and divine blessing or protection. The precise location of the nation-to-be is not specified but was of course known to those hearing or reading the account. The promise of blessing signified the unique and particularistic bond between Yahweh and his followers, so that the enemies of Abraham or the nation were enemies of Yahweh, and those befriending Abraham and/or the nation would be blessed. With this assurance, Abraham journeyed to Canaan, Egypt, the Negeb, Hebron, Gezer, Beer-sheba and back to Hebron where he and his wife Sarah died.

The descriptions of Abraham are not uniform: at times he appears as a lonely migrant at others as a chieftain, head of a large family, or as a warrior. Factual details about the patriarch are difficult to establish for his real significance lies in what is often called inner history, through which those who looked to Abraham as a forefather gained understanding of themselves as people of the promise and attained a sense of destiny and an appreciation of their particular relationship to their deity. We have noted earlier that some Abrahamic traditions coincide with information coming from Nuzi which would place Abraham in the Middle Bronze era.

We read that Abraham in response to a divine summons, left Mesopotamia and journeyed to Canaan with his wife Sarah and nephew, Lot. It is clear that the people were meant to recognize themselves as a community originating in a commission from God and in the unwavering unquestioning obedience of Abraham. The journey itself was more than a pilgrimage, for it constituted the starting point of a continuing adventure in nationhood. Nor are the travelers without vicissitudes, but throughout famine, earthquake, fire and war, they are protected by Yahweh.

Gen. 14 in which Abraham is called a Hebrew for the first time records a battle between the patriarch and kings of countries or areas as yet unidentified for certain and associates him with the Canaanite king of Jerusalem It is possible that reliable historical data are preserved here The account of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah may also rest in some memory of a shift in the earths crust that destroyed the cities of the plain. Tradition associates Abraham with Hebron and if Jebel er-Rumeide is the site of this ancient city it is evident that a powerful city was located here in the Middle Bronze period.

<quoted text>BINGO!! This is "EXACTLY" what the Catholic Church teaches, believes and proclaims-----and has done so, for over 2000 years...... The problem is that you "fundies" are too "blind" to see it!!!

The first rule for lying is to have some element of truth in what you say.....you have a long way to go....

Catholics teach "traditions", from their Catechism, from their Magisterium, they teach from the Athanasian Creed (of which they have no idea who wrote it!!!!) The majority of said teaching has no source in Scripture. Yet they all consider them on an equal par with the Word of God!!!!!

531<quoted text>I deny Christ is God the Father because He is not God the Fther.....On this one, the Catholics got it right...Catholic catechism:254 The divine persons are really distinct from one another. "God is one but not solitary."86 "Father", "Son", "Holy Spirit" are not simply names designating modalities of the divine being, for they are really distinct from one another:"He is not the Father who is the Son, nor is the Son he who is the Father, nor is the Holy Spirit he who is the Father or the Son."87 They are distinct from one another in their relations of origin: "It is the Father who generates, the Son who is begotten, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds."88 The divine Unity is Triune.Which says:While Christ was on earth, the Holy Trinity was:The Father, the Incarnate Son, the Holy Spirit.....That is based on Scripture.....

I'll let your fellow protestant sola scripturist argue with you on this. I don't feel comfortable participating in your sin by fueling your word play on Holy Scriptures. I don't believe for one second that you seriously believe what you're saying. you're purposely taking what we really believe out of context, to appear that you're really smart...its stupid and a sin. You can't play around with sacred scriptures just to get a reaction from people.If you don't believe Jesus Christ and God are one being, then you're not a Christian. Period.

But there is a certain time of year that we do it which we call Passover in remembrance of Him offering His own blood,replacing the blood of animals that they were commanded by God to do when Israel was coming out of bondage. Te death angel,when he saw the blood on the door posts of the children,he would PASSOVER that house.

God gave instructions on how to set the date for observing this ceremony which is given in Exodus 12 and they were to observe it forever and Christ replaced it later with Himself which we are still to observe.(See the scriptures I linked above).I am surprised that you are unfamiliar with the Passover ceremony which is simply TAKING COMMUNION in rembrance of Christ becoming our Passover. Many people are unaware that Christ was crucified and became our Passover at the exact time of year that the old Passover was observed by the children of Israel.; That's why we observe it 14 days after the Spring Equinox as instructed by God. Do you understand now? Whew!

EXACTLY! I/we as Catholics trust (exclusively) in God and His Word! What I/we "refuse" to trust in--- is "man-made" bible only Protestant (editorial interpretation of Gods Word that is (half-truth and half-heresy) Christianity! That is why I "left" Protestantism after 35 years of heresy. lies and deceit!!

257<quoted text>The Savior identified himself with the paschal lamb as its great Antitype, in substituting the Lord's supper for the Passover. "Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us," 1Co 5:7 and as we compare the innocent lamb slain in Egypt with the infinite lamb of God, the contrast teaches us how infinite is the perdition which He alone can cause to "pass over" us, and how essential it is to be under the shelter of his sprinkled blood, before the night of judgment and ruin overtakes us.As to the Christian Passover, the Lord's supper, it was instituted by Christ when, at the last Passover supper he ate with his apostles, he gave them a symbol of his body to eat, and a symbol of his blood to drink, under the form of bread and wine; prefiguring that he should give up his body to the Jews and to death. The paschal lamb, which the Jews killed, tore to pieces, and ate, and whose blood preserved them from the destroying angel, was a type, and figure of our Savior's death and passion, and of his blood shed for the salvation of the world.

Okay. That is PASSOVER and the date for the observance of Passover is set by God in Exodus 12. How do you guys set the date for the heathen holiday known as Easter?

Easter solstice observance should be rejected, i agree. The birth and resurrection of Jesus have nothing to do with the winter or summer solstices. The resurrection is commemorated only through baptism of the believer. The Protestant Reformer Puritans correctly rejected all the roman holidays. How soon we forget.

who="Oxbow"]289The Bible does not teach the earth to be 6000 years old....Ge 1:1 ¶ In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.When (what date) was the beginning??BTW...your 6000 years start with the Creation of Adam....that is not "the beginning"....when God Created the heaven and earth.....And....there is no way of knowing how many billions of years this was: And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. "**********The Bible says that "one thousand years is as a day in God's sight". Adam and Eve came along in the sixth day, then God rested for a day.(Seven thousand years total.) Since Adam we've known 6,000 yars of history.13,000 years is reasonable to me. When someone starts talking about millions and billions of years, I wonder where they got a calendar or measuring stick to determine that.KayMarie

Absolutely. Tell it like it T.I.S tis,lol. We consider the creation of Adam to be the age of flesh. It was in that first earth and heaven age that the dinosaurs existed. We are now in the second age which is the age of flesh and soon we will be entering that third and final age where there will be no more flesh but we return to those spiritual bodies.

How is it that you are aware of these things? Is it possible that you study with the same teacher that I am tutured under? Hmmm.

<quoted text>~~~~Any one can be nasty....butCalling me names does not bring you deliverance...If you are delivered then stop claiming to be gay...EXERCISE YOU FAITH... OBEY THE WORD OF GOD... AND STOP CLAIMING...THATWHICH YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED/DELIVERED FROM...GOD WILL NOT FORCE DELIVERANCE UPON YOU AGAINST YOUR WILL...YOU WILL BE GAY AS LONG AS YOU CLAIM,(confess) THAT YOU ARE...The enemy of your soul will continue to tempt you, anduse your word against you.Rom_14:23 .... for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.DON'T LET YOUR LACK OF UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOU RECEIVED IN YOUR SALVATION ....AND GOD'S WORD ....CONTINUE TO HOLD YOUIN BONDAGE/slavery ...IN WHAT GOD HAS DELIVERED YOU FROM.WALK IN YOUR DELIVERANCE...AS A NEW CREATURE IN CHRIST JESUS.2Co_5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.STOP CLAIMING THAT..WHICH.. GOD HAS DELIVERED YOU FROM...WALK IN THEVICTORY THAT YOU HAVE RECEIVED..Pro_6:2 Thou art snared with the words of thy mouth, thou art taken with the words of thy mouth.YOUR SALVATION INCLUDES DELIVERANCE....SO WALK IN YOUR DELIVERANCE...IF YOU ARE REALLY SAVED..(a born again Christian)... YOU HAVE RECEIVEDSALVATION...SALVATION INCLUDES... DELIVERANCE! read the definition of salvation below...H3444&#1497;&#1513;&#14 73;&#1493;&#1468;& #1506;&#1492;yeshu&#770;&#8219;a &#770;hyesh-oo'-awFeminine passive participle of H3467; something saved, that is,(abstractly) DELIVERANCE; hence AID, VICTORY, PROSPERITY:- deliverance, health, help (-ing), salvation, save, saving (health), welfare.___JESUS TOLD THE MAN THAT WAS AT THE POOL AT BETHESDA...Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole:-->sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.ALSOJesus told the woman that was taken in adultery...Joh_8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee:--> go, and sin no more.1Jn_1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, andthe blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us FROM ALL SIN.THE ABOVE ... SAYS FROM...ALL .SIN....NOT IN SIN...

So you want me to lie? It's sin to participate in the gay lifestyle. The sin is not in being a gay man but in actually partaking in that type of sex. So I'm ho9nest and truthfully state that I am a gay man that no longer practice that type of sex. It's what I call bringing the flesh under subjection.

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