Nadie_AZ:scottydoesntknow: Silly subby of course there would be no Powder Gangers. Everyone knows that the NCR controls Helios One after forcing the Brotherhood of Steel out.

Not to mention the Powder Gangers would have a very low chance of getting over the Pass of Primm to even be a threat.

Ya know that got me thinking. The Powder Ganger quest is usually the very first one you get (having to choose between helping Goodsprings against the Gangers, or giving the town to the Gangers). Did anyone choose to help the Gangers? They just seemed like such dicks I wiped out their attack party, then to make sure I wiped out the entire prison complex they took over a little ways north.

scottydoesntknow:Nadie_AZ: scottydoesntknow: Silly subby of course there would be no Powder Gangers. Everyone knows that the NCR controls Helios One after forcing the Brotherhood of Steel out.

Not to mention the Powder Gangers would have a very low chance of getting over the Pass of Primm to even be a threat.

Ya know that got me thinking. The Powder Ganger quest is usually the very first one you get (having to choose between helping Goodsprings against the Gangers, or giving the town to the Gangers). Did anyone choose to help the Gangers? They just seemed like such dicks I wiped out their attack party, then to make sure I wiped out the entire prison complex they took over a little ways north.

The Powder Gangers have a series of quests if you do side with them- between thinning out their ranks (idiots) and taking on the NCR and Primm. Not really worth it, I think.

Nadie_AZ:The Powder Gangers have a series of quests if you do side with them- between thinning out their ranks (idiots) and taking on the NCR and Primm. Not really worth it, I think.

It's not. There's no real endgame benefit, and you don't get any cool gear that you couldn't obtain otherwise. I did it for completion's sake. If you want to play as an anarchic asshole, it's a fine path to choose- it just makes things much harder, and you lose out on some other, cooler quests.

I know someone who's working there. To work construction in the Mojave Desert is not much fun. They basically have stillsuits. They wear cooling vests, special head, eyes, and neck gear for protection from the heat. They each carry a small fluid tank in case of dehydration. Their hours on the job are interspersed with down-time in cooled vans. It sounds like working on Mars.

Interesting that there's a race track, and Primm, nearby (as in the game). In fact, a large number of in-game locations have real life counterparts. They aren't all within walking distance of each other, though.

I finally have a gaming PC. First game I put on? Fallout 3. I'm wandering around the wastes and I see the enclave eyebots and I keep thinking "I want to convert one of these to ED-E". At least they shoot the bad guys for me before I run into them.

Geotpf:Interesting that there's a race track, and Primm, nearby (as in the game). In fact, a large number of in-game locations have real life counterparts. They aren't all within walking distance of each other, though.

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I thought it was pretty interesting the first time I decided to look at a real map of the area.

although, nothing quite as shocking as going to venice after playing assassin's creed 2. hey, i know how to climb that!

Problem is, the system is located smack in the middle of the threatened desert tortoise habitat and the companies that built the system have already had to allocate $56 million to care for and relocate these ground dwellers. At least one major environmental group has argued the plant should have never been built on its current location.

Ugh, I know from experience that some fringe liberals will never be satisfied. Someone will always biatch. Build one of the largest renewable energy projects the country has seen and they'll complain about a turtle. There's no consideration for how farking hard it is to make even symbolic carbon reduction efforts in this country.

Lumpmoose:Problem is, the system is located smack in the middle of the threatened desert tortoise habitat and the companies that built the system have already had to allocate $56 million to care for and relocate these ground dwellers. At least one major environmental group has argued the plant should have never been built on its current location.

Ugh, I know from experience that some fringe liberals will never be satisfied. Someone will always biatch. Build one of the largest renewable energy projects the country has seen and they'll complain about a turtle. There's no consideration for how farking hard it is to make even symbolic carbon reduction efforts in this country.

They'd still be building the transcontinental railroad if these clowns had their way.

Lumpmoose:Ugh, I know from experience that some fringe liberals will never be satisfied. Someone will always biatch. Build one of the largest renewable energy projects the country has seen and they'll complain about a turtle. There's no consideration for how farking hard it is to make even symbolic carbon reduction efforts in this country.

scottydoesntknow: Ya know that got me thinking. The Powder Ganger quest is usually the very first one you get (having to choose between helping Goodsprings against the Gangers, or giving the town to the Gangers). Did anyone choose to help the Gangers? They just seemed like such dicks I wiped out their attack party, then to make sure I wiped out the entire prison complex they took over a little ways north.

They threw explosives at me and blew off my arm when I was a low level, now that I'm much more powerful and well equipped, they get killed on sight, I'm not a fan of the Legion either.

That reminds me. I still need to do an "attempt to kill every single person in the entire Mojave" play-through of the game. Still debating how to do it, though. Should I start off normal until I can save up the caps and get to Gun Runners to get the good stuff? Or should I just start killing everyone right off the bat?

/also, fans of the game looking for even more replayability should grab the "New Vegas Bounties" mods. They're really good

/Hope the rumors are correct and it takes place in the Commonwealth.//Now I have his serious jonesing to play FO3 and NV///anyone here tried the 'new' graphics boosting PC version of FO3?

I can't wait for a new Fallout. Been a fan since the first one and aside from the ones that shall not be named, the Fallout series has never disappointed. Definitely in good hands with Bethesda. What few complaints I had with their open world games they fully addressed in Skyrim and Dishonored. Fallout 4, wherever it may be set, promises to be incredible. I would LOVE to see it take place in the Commonwealth, too, if not just to see if Dr. Zimmer from Fallout 3 was full of shiat about it being a bustling marvel of post-apocalyptic life. I also would have few complaints about them attempting a new country altogether (the entire world is farked, so why not?) but I somewhat feel that taking away the hokey, Leave it to Beaver, retro Americana setting might hurt the feeling of the game altogether. Either way they decide to take it, I'm sure it'll be fantastic. Bethesda, at least in my opinion, has been on a roll since Oblivion.

As many bugs and crashes Fallout NV has compared to Fallout 3 and even Oblivion, it's way, way more interesting of an adventure. I don't get why so many people prefer Fallout 3; I found it pretty bland compared to the lunacy of New Vegas. I just wish they had an Enclave faction ending in New Vegas; ED-E, Arcade Gannon and his "family" of retired Enclave soldiers were sympathetic characters compared to Veronica and her Brotherhood of Steel bosses. Made murdering the Brotherhood of Steel with the Enclave gear on so much more enjoyable. Revenge for Fallout 2 and 3.

Currently role playing in hardcore mode as a tribal using melee/unarmed and the Honest Hearts armors; with the proper perks I'm surprised only deathclaws, Caesar's assassins and yao guai have been the "OH F__K" opponents to worry about. Axe or power fist > robots, mutie critters and average wasteland jerkoffs with guns. Even the cazadores aren't as bad as my previous character's experience (laser weapons specialist).

It seems to be coke vs. pepsi: You either end up as an FO3 person, or NV.

Then there's me, who likes both. Personally and for me, FO3 just pulled me in more. It seriously pulls at the strings of my inner Gen X kid: The world is gone, everyone's dead, and there's nothing to do but wander and drink in the devastation. The small little details, toasters in bathtubs, finding a skeleton then a few feet away, a crashed motorcycle. Seriously engaging.

I liked NV less; I couldn't care about the factions. I thought the BoS was being needlessly pissed on, I couldn't give a damn about the Legion (save that they were dicks and needed to be exterminated), NCR wasn't that much better.

FO3 is a perfect series of stories, a perfect environment. NV was enjoyable, but fragmented. I also IMHO preferred rummaging through cities - after awhile tooling around the desert just got seriously boring. I also couldn't care less about making ammo or farming herbs.

But, in this day and age of gamers being balled in the ass by Activision, Mass Effect endings that negate the game in entirety, and retarded shooters that seem to be packed with nothing but 12 year olds, any Fallout is good Fallout.

<CSB>Off-road racing has been kicked out of areas due to "endangering" the desert tortoise. even though competitive off road events have killed less than 2 in 8 years, and use existing roads and trails.

I only bring this up because they close areas for public use and then sell the land, the TORTOISE HABITATS, to be completely razed to build solar power plants.

Now they are threatening our racing on private land nearby because the dust might settle on the power plant...</CSB>

tacos813:<CSB>Off-road racing has been kicked out of areas due to "endangering" the desert tortoise. even though competitive off road events have killed less than 2 in 8 years, and use existing roads and trails.

I only bring this up because they close areas for public use and then sell the land, the TORTOISE HABITATS, to be completely razed to build solar power plants.

Now they are threatening our racing on private land nearby because the dust might settle on the power plant...</CSB>

Well... they build the bastard in a desert so the mirrors should have some way of cleaning themselves after a dust storm rolls though.

For FO3 there's something about the DC wasteland that just grabs me. It's got an amazing atmosphere and it feels like a rough environment. I preferred the main story in FO3 as well. But it is definitely more of a serious game.

FONV, on the other hand, has some great gameplay improvements that I really find myself missing in FO3. It is also much more light-hearted, and the humor is brilliant (especially if you enable the Wild Wasteland perk). However, the main story is pretty much crap, and I find myself ignoring it (I've "played through" the game probably 7 or 8 times, but I've only ever actually completed the main story quest once).

Znuh:Then there's me, who likes both. Personally and for me, FO3 just pulled me in more. It seriously pulls at the strings of my inner Gen X kid: The world is gone, everyone's dead, and there's nothing to do but wander and drink in the devastation. The small little details, toasters in bathtubs, finding a skeleton then a few feet away, a crashed motorcycle. Seriously engaging.

I liked NV less; I couldn't care about the factions. I thought the BoS was being needlessly pissed on, I couldn't give a damn about the Legion (save that they were dicks and needed to be exterminated), NCR wasn't that much better.

the details in both games are amazing. The campfire in NV with 4 skeletons, 2 adults, 1 child, 1 baby, handgun in the hand of an adult. That's f*cking heartbreaking! So many stories are told just by the remains, the rubble, the environments. The visual storytelling is as good, if not better than, the actual main storylines.

I liked the different factions in NV. Shows just how fractured humanity has become, how mankind is at the crossroads; they can remain broken, fighting, and just die out, or they can unite and become on again, returning to real civilization.

BUT the "Old World Blues" DLC is one of the best DLCs I have ever played, and that will always give some extra credit to New Vegas. Everything about it was just perfect. I laughed, I cried..laughing, and found some badass gear. Also learned a lot of Fallout lore.

To the new guys just starting it, download that DLC. You will enjoy it.

Dumb-Ass-Monkey:the details in both games are amazing. The campfire in NV with 4 skeletons, 2 adults, 1 child, 1 baby, handgun in the hand of an adult. That's f*cking heartbreaking! So many stories are told just by the remains, the rubble, the environments. The visual storytelling is as good, if not better than, the actual main storylines.

goddamn, i need to play the games again.

Wow! I never found that!! Totally agree - the environment in both, the stories told by the remains. Pixar picked up on the power of telling a story visually; combine that with other layers of awesome = win.

Fark me sideways. I seriously need to find a way to afford an HDTV so I can lose myself in some FO goodness, soon.

Dumb-Ass-Monkey:Znuh: Then there's me, who likes both. Personally and for me, FO3 just pulled me in more. It seriously pulls at the strings of my inner Gen X kid: The world is gone, everyone's dead, and there's nothing to do but wander and drink in the devastation. The small little details, toasters in bathtubs, finding a skeleton then a few feet away, a crashed motorcycle. Seriously engaging.

I liked NV less; I couldn't care about the factions. I thought the BoS was being needlessly pissed on, I couldn't give a damn about the Legion (save that they were dicks and needed to be exterminated), NCR wasn't that much better.

the details in both games are amazing. The campfire in NV with 4 skeletons, 2 adults, 1 child, 1 baby, handgun in the hand of an adult. That's f*cking heartbreaking! So many stories are told just by the remains, the rubble, the environments. The visual storytelling is as good, if not better than, the actual main storylines.

I liked the different factions in NV. Shows just how fractured humanity has become, how mankind is at the crossroads; they can remain broken, fighting, and just die out, or they can unite and become on again, returning to real civilization.

goddamn, i need to play the games again.

My personal favorite from Fallout 3:

In the tunnels beneath the White House you walk down to an intersection with a hanging light. There's a ramp set up on each side of the intersection. On the far side of the intersection is a motorcycle with a headless skeleton, crashed on it's side. Perched on the lip of the hanging light is an idiot's skull.

The "death scenes" are great in those games. The one that really broke my heart was the one in Fallout 3 in Minefield, the first house the left. Upstairs is a kids room with a child's skeleton. In the bedroom is a skeleton (probably the mother) lying on a bed with several doses of Med-x and many empty syringes on the nightstand. In the bathroom, another skeleton (probably the father) in the bathtub with a kitchen knife in his lap. Walking through the house scavenging for the first time, you could just kinda see the events unfold. Every time I come across one, I take the time to try and figure out what had happened.