UKIP MEP Roger Helmer: NHS should fund ‘gay cure’ therapy

They should just add a little motto under their ‘£’ symbol. “The party that hates gays.”
Don’t get me wrong, there’s homophobes in all the parties, but I hear way more homophobic comments from UKIP than any others. In fact they have more in common with radical Islamists than they realize.

Barry Scarfe

Yes, for a party that claims to be opposed to mass immigration it seems strange they would have a lot in common with a section of the immigrant population that has as bad homophobic and biphobic opinions as some white ‘Christian’ Britons do.

Barry Scarfe

If UKIP had any brains or political acumen they would get rid of the homophobic and biphobic refugees they have attracted from the ‘mother party’ aka the Tories. Most decent British people want nothing to do with homophobia and biphobia and view it as a old person’s thing and left to the older generations of which Roger Helmer is one.

jacks

how strange this guy said this years ago when he was a conservative mep,
absolutely no one reported these views whatsoever until years later he
becomes a ukip mep, anyone else find this strange or the fact that the
scottish mep for ukip is a scottish openly gay man ? why would he be a
member of ukip then if they were this awful party that apparently hates
gay people…? i think most of you have common sense and have seen how
fashionable to have shock headlines about ukip candidates, is no one
horrified that since january there have been 50 labour councilor/mps
have actually been convicted of pedophile and not one mainstream
newspaper has reported any of these cases………or how about actual
racial attacks…? 15 actually councilors from around the uk imprisoned
for racial attacks and none are ukip..? and again not reported in
mainstream newspapers…? anyone wonder why..? am i the only one
concerned about this…?

Truth

Until Farrage makes an unequivocal statement that he supports gay EQUALITY – which of course includes gay marriage – I refuse to even listen to ANYTHING the vile bigot has to say. He appeals to the absolute base instincts of humanity – xenophobia, racism and homophobia. Hitler did exactly the same. Do we learn NOTHING from history ……?

Barry Scarfe

I can’t see why he doesn’t come out and say he supports gay civil marriage. According to wikipedia, the party is defined as a libertarian one so you would think therefore he and his party would be all in favour ot it. I suppose though that mining a fairly rich stream of older Tories who are opposed to gay and bisexual equality is more politically expedient than having any genuine libertarian principles. If you look at their tax and economic policies, it is not surprising they have captured only a small percentage of the Labour vote up for grabs and UKIP therefore have to try and get older Tories on board.

jacks

rogerhelmermep.wordpress.com/2014/06/02/deliberate-defamatory-lies-from-the-mail-on-sunday/ …..here is exactly what he said, and i believe he is calling for that newspaper to retract the lies, im just saying i dont trust main media any more i find that although ukip is a hot topic for the media i cant believe that children are being abused and sexually attacked and not one newspaper has reported any of the 50 cases of the labour mps involved in this.since january….i find it astounding that during the media frenzy about racism that not one of the 15 cases of actual racial attacks by libdem labour and conservative councilors have not been reported in mainstream …its beyond beggers belief and really worries me ….also i think you should also look a their actual policies about tax …mr farage announced this on the andrew marr show sunday bbc check out bbc player for this info, the rest of the policies are been put into a manifesto for the 2015 GE and will be presented like all the other parties manifesto in autumn

jacks

but even if you dont believe what roger says, as a parent myself i always try to look for the truth in between two different versions of an incident, this applies not only too children but all i think in life and is a wise way to look beyond a simple black and white headline., the other parties could have stopped ukip in its tracks if they had just been honest and given us a referendum when we should of be given one now their support has got far more than just one or two crack pots which now have been sacked and a real uprising of normal people has taken over

Jesus_Mohammed

One can’t excuse Helmer’s homophobia by saying the other parties should have given us a referendum on Europe.

Adam

Roger Helmer doesn’t even support civil unions. He’s a an old bigoted homophobe who doesn’t consider gay people as equal

john webstercarcassone6

No,he is just a normal middle englander who finds homosexuality disgusting.

Rumbelow

He’s saying these things now though,that’s why we are commenting upon it here.

“You have a homosexual who says, ‘I’m homosexual, actually I’d rather be straight, is there a way of fixing it?”

A: No there is not a way of fixing what is not broken, homosexuality is perfectly natural, you can be given counselling and assistance to come to terms with your sexual orientation however.

Adam

Yawn………….! Pink News is just as critical of Tories as it is of UKIP and the story was reported on here. And he’s now said it again. So clearly hasn’t changed his views. He’s just an ignorant old bigot that epitomises all UKIP stand for! A hatred of minorities, ignorance & supporting the right to discriminate

Rumbelow

UKIP, the self-hating party that represses it’s own gay attractions might be more appropriate.

Barry Scarfe

I bet most of UKIP’s supporters who are homophobic or biphobic have at least some level of same-sex attractions. My message to them is stop the self-loathing, its perfectly fine to have these attractions and the water is fine so jump right in!

Truth

Absolutely correct. These people (particularly the older ones) have been brainwashed by religion to believe that homosexuality is a ‘sin’. To react as they do (swivel-eyed and mouth-frothing) about the subject says that they are ‘afraid of homosexuality’. But it is their INNER sexuality of which they are really afraid. ‘The bigger the homophobe – the bigger the closet case’ is clearly the result of all recent research and experiments.

Barry Scarfe

Exactly. Whilst I can understand people being reluctant to admit to same-sex attractions to others, there should be no problem in admitting to them to oneself. It CAN be a personal secret. If they did this a ridiculous amount of guilt would be lifted off their minds, they would be less inclined to project self-loathing onto other gays/bisexuals/bicurious people and above all THEY WOULD FEEL BETTER so why not do this?

clm1990

Someone needs to cure him of his stupidity, a whack across the head with a baseball bat should do it and wont cost the NHS too much.

Rumbelow

I think god already notionally did that by giving Roger Helmer Altzheimers, maybe.

misfit44

So your are inciting violence and hatred. Perhaps a kick up the backside rather than something else rhyming with it would cure you

Sparkyu1

UKIP values on display again.

Gareth

This guy is an idiot. I wouldn’t trust him with a pair of scissors, let alone his own constituency.

No one on here needs me to pick apart his insane ramblings; his wild, swivelling eyes kind of give the game away. The thing that concerns me though is that these latest comments seem orchestrated. They seem to be actively selling this guy on an anti-gay message.

Truth

You are correct. If UKIP truly abhorred this man’s views, wouldn’t they have simply kicked him out? It’s almost as though they are whipping-up the anti-gay sentiment in the population in exactly the same way in which they have succeeded in stirring-up xenophobia. They appeal to the absolute BASE instincts …. just as Hitler did. They are the BNP with slightly better PR. They are vile bigots and I am disgusted at the people of this country for even tolerating them – let alone showing so much support.

R

Links with the previous story; about the claim that allowing gay marraige would lead to calls for pigs to do so. They already can (sort of). After all, ignorant pigs have long gotten married- in ‘traditional form’ Messrs Farage, Helmer, Uncle Tom bigotty and all… Why not ‘cure’ them of their bigotry- on the NHS- it’s easily done and a great deal cheaper.

Sara Jevo

Could the NHS also provide heterosexual cures too, please

tom_beauchamparnold

Makes just as much sense.

misfit44

Yes, it is called sodomization or buggering.

Rumbelow

Where are all the post-gay pride marches held?
Why are we always being told about proud post-gays by anti-gay bigots but don’t hear anything from genuine post-gays at all, just people from within the conversion industry promoting their own dodgy “therapy”?

misfit44

Perhaps the answer is that they not proud of who they were. Pride is not a Christian virtue. It is only a virtue amongst the proud, strutting, cavorting, stiff necked,, bulging eyed and grunting peacocks who like to flaunt their depravity in London Pride. But hey ho, these things will pass.

Rovex

I wouldnt be proud of being a Christian either, its a pretty shameful thing to be. It proves you have a weak and needy personality and a poor grasp of reality.

monica

Next he’ll demand that the black population should all get skin-whitening treatments on the NHS.

I believe that Farage is actually talented as a politician; sometimes he even manages to say something that sounds sensible. He is a far-right politician that sees the EU as the impediment to his far reaching right wing ambitions and is managing to attract a body of people to support him. The fact that those who support him tend to be a crew of bigots and haters tends not to faze him. Coupled with this he has popular appeal ~ this makes him potentially dangerous. Personally I can’t stand the man or what he stands for but please don’t underestimate him.

misfit44

Well done Monica. You have got it.

Peter
Tatchell does not believe that being gay is genetic.In an article entitled Beyond Equality he says, “queer politics challenges the … view that exclusive heterosexuality is somehow natural and eternal…. It sees sexuality as being primarily a social construction, rather than a biological given.”
He goes on to says,
“Who we are attracted to largely derives from a combination of social
experience and ideology. In other words, everyone is born with the
potential to be queer. Exclusive heterosexuality is mainly the result
of a socially-encouraged repression of same-sex desire. In a society
where there were no pressures or privileges associated with being
straight, a lot more people would be queer or bisexual. Lesbian and
gay attraction would cease to be a minority sexual orientation and
become something that almost everyone would experience.”

But Peter Tatchell also believes that denying gays marriage is the same
as being racist. He says, “ I don’t think that anyone would accept the government , saying to the black or Jewish community, that they were banned from marriage.” So perhaps he does believe that being gay is genetic like being black and that for him to say “Tomorrow morning I’m going to stop being gay,” would be like saying, “Tomorrow morning I’m going to stop being black.

So returning to his original statement would he say that the colour of
our skin is primarily a social construction, rather than a biological
given and that the colour of our skin largely derives from a
combination of social experience and ideology? In other words,
everyone is born with the potential to be black. Exclusive whiteness
is mainly the result of a socially-encouraged repression of a desire
to be black. In a society where there were no pressures or privileges
associated with being white, a lot more people would be black. Being
black would cease to be a minority colour and become something that
almost everyone would experience.

monica

I really can’t agree with you at all. Your version of Tatchell is a deliberate distortion to suit your own prejudice. Distorting the views of others to a falsehood makes your own view appear vacuous so I can only suggest that you try again.

For the sake of clarity I would say that denying equal marriage to folk who happen to be gay is tantamount to an equally discernible degree of discrimination as denying marriage to folk who happen to be Jewish or black.

Surely you must be able to see that Tatchell’s clear message here is that equality is not something that you can slice up, divide or cherry-pick from. If you support equality for one individual or group of people, then equally you must support it for all. By equality I mean every single person and not just those with a protected characteristic.

So if you happen to be a middle-aged, middle-class, over-sexed white Jedi man with a very small penis that has not had sexual contact for years, then even you must have the right to respect and equality too.

misfit44

I think you will find that Black people who marched in the civil rights movement in the 60’s simply for the right to sit at the front of bus or share a wash room with white people feel aggrieved that the gays have appropriated the civil rights movement, in order to destroy marriage altogether. Indeed the original black marches plan to march on June 19th.

By your reckoning marriage can be between twin brothers, sisters, grandmothers and grandsons, someone with animals, someone with a dead body, or the Eifel Tower, or a man with an eight year old girl. Mohammed consummated his marriage with Aisha when she was only nine. . Marriage might even be with oneself or with a football team.

monica

You have no clear understanding of diversity, equality, respect or dignity do you? I have not argued in this thread or anywhere else for such things. The more you post the more blatant your unnatural hatred becomes because the level of your deceit increases exponentially. When you lie at this level you clearly have departed with reason all together, and the more ridiculous you become. Your credibility rated by me is now zero (or should it be an imaginary number?)

Your suggestion that I advocate child abuse is the product of a diseased mind. In all seriousness I urge you to seek professional help.

Psychologist

I quite agree Monica !

Truth

Careful ….. you are being seduced by the man’s rhetoric and undoubted engaging character. Hitler had very similar qualities. Remember, he too came to power through powerful and persuasive arguments against foreigners and homosexuals. Oh … and voter apathy. In my opinion, Europe is at a dangerous crossroads. The EU has helped maintain peace for almost 70 years. Are we really ready to ignore the lessons of history ….?

monica

er thanks Truth… but no need to worry about me.

Bill_Perdue

No, but they should consider court ordered cures for bigotry utilizing robust, involuntary medical and psychiatric treatments all paid for by confiscating the wealth of individual bigots and of the the cults – roman, anglican, protestant, islamic – that promote bigotry.

Jock S.Trap

Wrong on ALL levels.

When will these people realise that the main reason people question themselves is because of the religious nutcases he and HIS party support.

The damage UKIP is doing to our society outweighs the claim of who UKIP thinks damages us.

Lee Hobson

Appalling views from both vile creatures

Tiger Lily

Can we point out his ignorant on trans people, too? (And obviously his homophobia)

“We say to the person who wants to change from a man to a woman or vice versa, ‘Please do that on the NHS’.

Trans people do not change their gender. A trans woman, for instance, is already a woman (As adhered in her gender identity) But some trans women just want to have a Sex-Reassignment to ensure it matches up with her gender.

There’s no changing from a man to a woman. None.

misfit44

Actually deep down I have always known that I am male, welsh cross dressing teapot even though on the outside I look like a transitioning black, polysexual pavement.

Patrick Gearon

The freedom of people to choose their sexuality is something that the gay community should support. That is what this article is about….right? No, it’s not. Instead it is as bigoted as the man it accuses.
I am supportive of Helmer in his need of coming to terms with the topic of homosexuality and in doing so readers in this column will immediately jump to the conclusion that I am anti gay. Well I’m not. Once Helmer can get it off his chest he’ll be the better for it – even a man with broad shoulders could use some help sometimes.

Bobbleobble

Except it isn’t about freedom at all, it’s about making homosexuality appear to be an illness and pressurising gay people into seeking some sort of cure. He’s not suggesting therapy for heterosexuals to become gay.

Homosexuality is not an illness therefore it would be absolutely wrong for it to be treated as such. The problem lies not with gay people but with minds that can’t cope with diversity whether it’s idiots like Helmer or gay people who’ve been told by society that there’s something wrong with them. In any event there’s no evidence that gay ‘cure’ therapy works and plenty that it’s incredibly harmful.

Patrick Gearon

I take heart that you’ve replied but can you not open your mouth without expressing a prejudice? – the need to prop up your cause at the expense of someone who disagrees?
Roger Helmer is a good man.
There are many gays within UKIP who do not have an issue with it and will not represent themselves here for that reason. I only wish they would because they disown what the ‘gay community’ preaches i.e. the politics of it and are able to offer something instead of having to constantly defend their being gay and seeing everything as being gay related.

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Bobbleobble

Helmer’s comments show that he doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about and not only that but he has no intention of trying to get a clue on these issues. If you are happy to support a party who has people like him in places of power then that’s up to you but I cannot agree that someone who thinks that homosexuality can or indeed should be cured is a good man.

The only prejudice I’ve displayed in my post is against someone who comes out with stupid and ill informed comments. And as for the gays in UKIP, if they don’t have the courage of their convictions to come here and stick up for themselves and their views then I’m not sure they’re worth bothering about.

I also not ie you haven’t actually responded to what I’ve said other than to accuse me of prejudice.

Truth

“Roger Helmer is a good man”? Forgive me … but he is an ignorant bigot. If there was no stigma to being gay – a stigma invented by religions which demanded mass procreation to become dominant – people wouldn’t feel the need to seek a ‘cure’ for something which is perfectly natural. The man is not ‘good’. He’s a danger for spreading the belief that ‘a cure’ is both possible and desirable.

Yesh U R

Patrick Gearon Fergus Pickering • 18 hours ago

“That was just an argument for its own sake Fergus. Clegg is certainly no Hitler but he has helped to create the circumstances by which the country would need a Hitler ,i.e. a Farage in our case to sort things out. So a little bit of Farage right now is a good thing but we must be prepared to vote him out. Power corrupts all heads of state eventually so it must remain dispersed in the hands of the people, never consolidated.
I will vote Farage but I do hope he keeps to his word i.e. in being a turkey that votes for Xmas. That of course is for the future to see isn’t it?”

The above tells anyone everything they need to know about the state of mind of Patrick Gearon!

Patrick Gearon

Hah, I did say that didn’t I? Surprised me it did. But it’s out of context here and as to my reference to Clegg, I’ve long forgotten the why of it.
Interesting that you should include it here as some kind of insult without your saying anything of your own. I play an open hand as your research, no doubt, can reveal but isn’t it time you showed yours?

Yesh U R

Curious that you would view that as “some kind of insult”. I posted it up because they are your own words and I think it demonstrates your lack of discernment and therefore it follows, your state of mind. “the country needs a Hitler”, I think many would disagree with you on that point, I certainly do. As for being open handed why not simply state your antipathy and move on? You don’t much care for LGBT people and neither does UKIP, message understood so why flog a dead horse?

http://lgbtwtf.wordpress.com Jess

>The freedom of people to choose their sexuality is something that the gay community should support.

NO ONE “chooses” their sexual orientation ! ALL the most recent international research on this concludes it is already FIXED by our birth ! I CAN NOT be changed – it is therefore NOT a choice ! So it CAN NOT be “chosen” nor changed !

Any attempts to do so is psychologically damaging ! I deal with this regularly and have studied all the research over the last 20 years!

So-called “conversion therapy” is an “invention” of homophobes and Christians ! It doesn’t work – but causes much damage !

Truth

And so, logically, those that insist ‘it’s a choice’ have themselves clearly made ‘a choice’ NOT to be gay!!! How else can they possibly assert with such conviction that ‘it’s a choice’?

Psychologist

Indeed TRUTH ! We tend to give out a view of something, which is based on our OWN experiences, you’re quite right !
So as we already KNOW that homophobia (such as that of Helmer) is caused by suppressing his OWN real gay feelings,
this supports that logic, as he has clearly at some point earlier in his life, CHOSEN NOT to be gay ! Although that’s not quite accurate of course. What he will actually have done, is SUPPRESS gay feelings, so may not act on them, nor embrace them, but yet they will still be occurring in his unconscious. This is what CAUSES his homophobia, and explains WHY he is so clearly OBSESSED with the gay-sex activity of OTHER PEOPLE ! That’s NOT normal behaviour !

Hue-Man

The second season of the Australian drama “A Place to Call Home” is portraying 1950s “conversion therapy”, otherwise known as torturing gay men. Electro-shock therapy, heavy sedation, aversion treatment with combined emetics and male photos, and frontal lobotomy. You don’t have to worry about scars with the lobotomy – the medical instrument is inserted through your eye socket in order to scramble the grey matter. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Place_to_Call_Home_%28TV_series%29

Come to think of it, frontal lobotomy would explain this ghoulish UKIP person and his fellow gay-haters.

ian123

Really no one *chooses* their sexuality. Anymore than you choose who you happen to fall in love with. Given the hysteria in some societies it would be like choosing to hop everywhere on one leg when you could *choose* to walk using both legs.

Truth

Those that claim ‘it’s a choice’ have clearly made ‘a choice’ NOT to be gay. How ELSE can they possibly make such a claim? So, next time anyone says to you, ‘it’s a choice’, just ask them how they KNOW ….?

john

I actually read this as Helmer saying what a waste of time the NHS is becuase it wastes money on trans people so why not waste money on gay conversion therapies . Helmer doesn’t give a bugger about gay people or trans people , we’re only there to give abuse to. I’m not quite sure but it’s almost an attack on the NHS for giving any care to trans people or gay people, I don’t think there would be any treatments whatsoever given to gays if he had his way and that would include just general care and basic NHS treatment.

Barry Scarfe

Even taking into account Newark is the Tory Party’s 44 or 45th safest seat, I would have thought Roger Helmer was a bad choice for UKIP. I think they would have better chance of winning it if they had chosen someone like the woman who stood for them in Eastleigh.

Barry Scarfe

Roger Helmer is the sort of UKIP candidate you imagine when thinking of UKIP. He plays up to the stereotypes like that whackjob in Henley when he said gay marriage was responsible for the flooding!

Rob

You cannot change somebodies sexuality any more than you can change somebodies eye color!

Ginnheim

That’s not a good analogy because scientists have recently found a way to change eye colour.

Psychologist

Yes, you’re exactly right Rob ! You CAN’T !
But they CAN cause a great deal of psychological damage in trying to !

misfit44

We are not talking about a leopard changing its spots. We are talking about someone being transformed and becoming clothed in their right minds, from being blind to sighted, from being lost to found . Amazing Grace!

Psychologist

“from being blind to becoming sighted” ……?
If there was anyone who needed to go through THAT process .. just look in the mirror !
Deluded, religious, homophobic bigot !

My comments were indeed NOT “name calling” !
They are an accurate description of you ! You are clearly deluded in many areas of your comments. You are clearly of some religious belief, (delusional) – you display a massive amount of homophobia (almost certainly because you’re in denial of your own gay sexual orientation) and you also display a great deal of bigotry too.
Thus – My description of you stands as being accurate.
However, I really don’t waste my time with losers such as you. So go away !

misfit44

If my faith in Jesus Christ is a delusion then wow what a wonderful delusion. Thank God for this delusion for it has given me redemption from the slavery and power of sin. reconciliation with God, a new nature in Jesus Christ, a family of numberless Christian brothers and sisters, security, acceptance, belonging, joy, inner peace, purpose and direction in life, the hope of an eternal inheritance that can neither fade of decay and the power and courage of the Holy Spirit to stand for Jesus Christ. If this is a delusion, may God send it the slaves of sexual depravity and perversion everywhere, for their slavery is an awful reality that ends with a shortened life span.

Yesh U R

Noted, you are a religious maniac, self-hating, and profoundly indifferent to the fact that your comments are deeply offensive and hateful. Go away to a site that welcomes individuals of your sort and play the Jesus is my Lord routine among individuals as deluded as yourself.

REALrenovato

delusional god BS

Rovex

Your obsession with this site makes it clear where you mind really is.. We laugh at you and pity you at the same time.

Carl

So much for being “relaxed about it” and accepting that the “world has moved on”. He is still the same old bigot with the same old ideas – why can’t someone tell him to do a little bit of reading before he opens his mouth? Or is that too much to ask because he is an over-70?

Rumbelow

There is no excuse for this homophobic nonsense, Roger Helmer wasn’t 70 when homosexuality was decriminalised.

Psychologist

Yes EXACTLY !

CHBrighton

Are there any photos of Roger Helmer from the 1960s? Maybe he was a gay sex god?

So when the switch is flipped to “Not Gay,” do the succulent lips deflate, the skin sag with corpulence, and the penis shrivel to a raisin?

CHBrighton

Quite. And it was the swinging sixties after all, so what was he up to? We must be told!

Steven Gregory

I suspect he was getting turned down a lot, which is why he’s obsessed and bitter.

CHBrighton

Do you think he enjoys nipple play?

Steven Gregory

Yes, but unfortunately with livestock and household pets.

CHBrighton

Ah! A dogger. Dirty beast.

Psychologist

There is NO “CURE” required for something which is NOT an illness ! Simple !
Any gay person who isn’t comfortable with being who they are born as, feels that way entirely as a result of the homophobic attitudes of Helmer and other such bigoted attitudes from religions.

If ANY therapy was offered to those who may seek it, in this position, then it should be support-based therapy, to help the person come to terms more, with their sexual orientation. That is the official BACP (British Association for Counselling & Psychotherapy) stance on this.

“So called” conversion therapy is proved to not ONLY be NOT effective, it is KNOWN to cause psychological damage to people !

Helmer is crazy and highly irresponsible to suggest this on NHS! What he is ACTUALLY doing is trying to “legitimise” his OWN homophobia under some sort of “offer of help” ..! It’s SO transparent ! This is a “projection” of Helmer wanting to “cure” his OWN suppressed homosexuality ! Otherwise WHY would anyone be so OBSESSED with gay sex of SOMEONE ELSE !?????

If the NHS even consider this, we should all be holding protests outside hospitals ! Psychological damage to gay people – being funded by OUR TAXES ? Over my dead body !!!!!

UKIP once again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AGGGHHHHHHHH !!!!

Psychologist

Isn’t it a shame that the NHS doesn’t offer a cure for bigotry, stupidity and homophobia ! Helmer should be forced to be one of the first patients !

monica

Did I read the article correctly? Does he think that homeopathy is the technical term for curing gayness?

Psychologist

Yes, Monica …. apparently, HE DOES !

You just can’t take these people seriously can you ? He say’s he is not ONLY in FAVOUR of a psychological process, but wants it funding on NHS – yet he clearly doesn’t even understand what the process is, and can’t even get the name of it correct ! (They actually use a form of CBT – Cognitive Behavioural Therapy – of course it has nothing whatsoever to do with “homeopathy” which is more a “chemical form of remedy” often used in allergy cures etc – and is NOT psychological in ANY way….) !

This would be hysterical if it wasn’t so damaging, and just plain stupid !
This man is an idiot !

monica

He probably thinks that cycle paths are there for mentally ill folk to walk in too.

Psychologist

Funny ! yes Monica – his comments are indeed THAT STUPID that he probably does !

tom_beauchamparnold

Actually, since homeopathy depends upon principles of minute dilution which effectively attenuates whatever active material is put into a homeopathic cure, there is a real argument that psychological forces are what make this treatment modality as effective as it is.

Psychologist

There is NO psychological therapy part of the process, it’s entirely chemical, with the exception of a small amount of possible “PLACEBO effect” – which is a potential (side) effect in ALL medical processes, especially in pills/medication of that type. There is NO attempt to administer any form of psychological therapy – which was my point.
However, you’re being very pedantic, as that’s hardly the main, or even second point here ! I wonder why you even bothered to point it out.

Lauchlan Bernard-Christopher M

Went in the ear as homeopathy , registered in the brain as “homotherapy”! Interestingly enough; working in the psychotherapeutic field -whenever CBT is mentioned I just think of Cock and Ball Torture!

Psychologist

Yes, we often read what we “want, or think it SHOULD be !
CBT – I’m not sure your variety of CBT would be accepted as a form of therapy ! :)

Ian

Helmer’s thickheaded confusion/misunderstanding/misapplication
of the word “homeopathy” is not funny really.

It’s on a par with the reasoning of the random mob that
trashed a young “pædiatrician”’s home, in the thickheaded
conviction that she was a “pædophile”.

Psychologist

I agree, and have already stated that.

tom_beauchamparnold

Yes, isn’t that bizarre?

misfit44

Homophilia is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia is in a dog.

monica

You can no more teach a dog how not to be rabid than you can prevent a bigot from being ignorant (apparently).

Psychologist

Monica – “misfit44″ is another one who is OBSESSED with the gay sexual activity of OTHER PEOPLE …!
I WONDER why that would be ..? … :)

monica

One can only speculate … but assuming the patient has reasonable cognitive ability, then on my list of mental conditions to investigate and attempt to remedy are: indoctrination of a falsehood, sexual repression and good old-fashioned envy.

Psychologist

Indeed Monica ! Denial, delusional thinking, use of Freudian defence mechanisms such as Reaction Formation, Displacement and Projection, relative to gay sexual activity, would be fairly large clues as to areas to explore, perhaps.

misfit44

Is that a Pink or Green bigot?

misfit44

But that is precisely what Helmer is suggesting- a cure for Pink bigotry, stupidity and a whole catalogue of phobias starting with an irrational fear and hatred of truth, reason, justice, purity and life itself.

Steve Cheney

“starting with an irrational fear and hatred of truth, reason, justice, purity and life itself.”

…because we object to the funding of a “cure” for something that is not regarded as being a disease, which has a massively high suicide rate associated with it, and no evidential basis to support its efficacy whatsoever?

misfit44

And where is the evidence for the massively high suicide rate associated with someone trying to escape from the bondage and slavery of homosexuality. Evidence, evidence please!

ian123

They need to decide whether they are a libertarian party, in which case they should be leading the fight for consenting adults to marry who they wish without interference, or whether they are just the Tory party of the fifties. Which is it guys?

Barry Scarfe

They can’t decide. Anyway, even though the Tory Party of the fifties was rabidly homophobic (in common with virtually everyone) BUT the Tories in that period had not adopted Mrs Thatcher’s asset-stripping, globalist monetarist economic policies (which UKIP embrace to an even higher degree than the present Tory Party) so the Tories did have their good points in the 1950’s.

Truth

They wouldn’t get enough votes from just the racists. That’s why they’re after the anti-gay vote too. Farrage has already played the anti-Romanian card ….. and, before long, they’ll probably be going after the anti-Semitic vote. Before you know it, we’ll be declaring war on Poland.

Mark Y

UKIP – the worst thing to happen to British politics since the BNP.

Barry Scarfe

Even worse than the BNP in some ways. At least the BNP’s economic stance wasn’t batshit crazy Thatcherism on steoroids like UKIP embraces. Have you seen their tax policy? UKIP’s flat tax policy would see a dustbin man pay the same rate as a duke. For all the BNP’s faults, they wouldn’t have proposed that.

Despite every major psychological and medical institution in the country, if not the whole world, saying that “gay cure” is harmful to gay men and lesbians and should not be available to anyone, some people still insist on using political means to make it happen.
What is it about bringing ruin to the lives of LGBT people that they find so attractive?

Richard

Voters of Newark – please don’t vote for Roger Helmer on Thursday. The man is a Newark (anagram).

monica

hahahahaha … well spotted!

gingerlycolors

The polite word for the anagram of Newark is ‘masturbator’!

monica

Yes, he should take himself in hand and get a grip.

Truth

He probably does – while having ‘abominable’ thoughts! Hence his rabid homophobia. A self-hater ……

Steven Gregory

For Helmer it’s probably like gripping the contents of a can of spinach, which explains his obsession with gays and resentment of what he imagines (dreams, fantasizes, dialogues) us doing.

doug

What an ignorant old so-and-so. Have we got to put up with this now for years.

Psychologist

June 07, 2012 – 17 May 2012, on the International Day against Homophobia, the Pan American Health Organization (PAHO) issued a statement that calls on governments, academic institutions, professional associations and the media to expose practices that claim to “cure” people with non-heterosexual sexual orientation and to promote respect for diversity.

Psychologist

On 17 May 1990, the General Assembly of the World Health Organization (WHO) removed homosexuality from their list of mental disorders. Stating that :-

“Since homosexuality is not a disorder or a disease, it does not require a cure. There is no medical indication for changing sexual orientation,” said PAHO Director Dr. Mirta Roses Periago. Practices known as “reparative therapy” or “conversion therapy” represent “a serious threat to the health and well-being—even the lives—of affected people.” ………… !

Roger Helmer gives the impression he knows MORE than the entire world’s psychologists ! Yet he can’t even call the (damaging) process by it’s correct name !

He refers to it as “homeopathy” which is more a “chemical form of remedy” often used in allergy cures etc – and is NOT psychological in ANY way….) !

rapture

I did read an article here that gay cure therapy is already offered on the NHS. That 1 in 5 psychotherapists are willing to offer such treatment and 40%of such was facilitated by the nhs. I also felt that I was goaded to seeking a cure by the nhs psychotherapist that I was coerced into seeing ,when I was in school
As for dr helmer goebbels , i’m waiting impatiently for some sleaze story on him.

http://www.pariss.info Pariss

Not only is he a very silly ignorant little man but I fail to see why valuable NHS resources should be wasted on something that doesn’t work

Barry Scarfe

Indeed, but whether the NHS lives or dies is not much of an issue for UKIP. They’ve got more important issues to fry like whether a few gay or bisexual people will get a same-sex civil marriage. That IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT!

Robert W. Pierce

Isn’t it interesting that gay UKIPers are silent? I wonder why?

This past friday I tweeted their group asking them to confirm the actual number of gay supporters….NO response. I also tweeted David Coburn, the self-loather who opposes equal marriage and asked him for the same information. He told me to contact @UKIPlgbt. They don’t seem to know anything. Would be interesting to know the numbers though.

Terence Uttley

There’s no tick box that asks one to clarify their sexual orientation when filling out the membership form for UKIP. Why? Because it is IRRELEVANT! That is equality that unfortunately you probably cannot comprehend.

Ask Labour, or Conservatives for how many ‘gay supporters’ they have as members, and I think you’ll be on the receiving end of similar silence.

Robert W. Pierce

Don’t assume anything about me oror my ability to comprehend what equality means. Quit the condescension. I lived at a time when it was illegal to have sex with someone of the same gender and saw lives ruined. I have a thorough understanding of what equality means having fought for it all my adult life and well into retirement. As an organized group within UKIP their gay spokesperson should have at least a rough idea when they make claims that many are against equal marriage and full equality. When anyone or any organisation make claims of that nature. they need to have the evidence to support it.

gingerlycolors

Will Nigel Farage suspend Roger Helmer even though he recently said that it was okay to be homophobic if you are over 70?

andypet

As he’s not homophobic, presumably he’d support the NHS attempting to convert someone from straight to gay if that’s what they wanted?

James!

So I guess skin bleaching for people who want to change colour too? You can’t become straight as much as you can’t become gay.

Steve Cheney

I think I would fully support any treatment that allowed people to change their sexual orientation, as long as you could switch either way. I mean, I’m gay, I’m happy being gay, but I wouldn’t mind taking the odd weekend off to see what all the fuss is about. And I know a lot of straight men who would do the same.

What I don’t support is a form of ritualised child abuse, which is what gay therapy actually is.

Truth

And from brainwashed religious bigot to human ….?

monica

from wiki …
‘He began his business career in that year with Procter & Gamble in Newcastle-upon-Tyne, going on to hold senior marketing and general management appointments in a range of companies, including Readers Digest, National Semiconductor, Coats Viyella and the whisky firm United Distillers. During the course of his business career he lived and worked in various foreign countries.’ … those damn immigrants, eh!

Katie

Since he’s worked for Procter & Gamble, one wonders if he was one of those pharmaceutical salesman who’ve now been caught bribing the medical profession to buy their assorted poisons?

monica

Oh tell me more, I have no knowledge of that. I just like the fact that he has lived and worked in other countries, but belongs to a party that is unwilling to allow folk to come and live and work here. Likewise I have a nasty racist uncle who became so incensed at all the immigrants living near him (near Slough) that he emigrated to a largely ex-pat community in Spain and has refused to learn the language because all Spaniards should learn English.

Truth

…. and don’t forget Farrage’s German wife who works as his secretary. Isn’t she depriving a UK citizen of gainful employment? F’ing hypocrites, the lot of ‘em.

monica

Ah, he likes to explain that by saying he is not anti-Europe but anti-EU. It’s a nice distinction but I still don’t believe or trust him

Daniel Spence

It seems that these stories about homophobic UKIP members are almost a daily occurrence now. Really makes you wonder about the party’s true support base.

Barry Scarfe

UKIP is very silly being opposed to same-sex civil marriage. Do they really want homophobic and biphobic BNP supporters to vote for them? UKIP support civil partnerships so they may as well go the whole hog and support same-sex civil marriages as well.

Personally, I’ve always thought it should have been the ‘Right’ in politics that supported gay rights and not the ‘Left’ as the ‘Right’ tends to base its viewpoints on reality and as the world really is rather than the more Utopian vision of the ‘Left’. The ‘Left’ really stole a march on the ‘Right’ in respect of this issue. That is the baleful influence of organised religion at work again!

Steve Cheney

“UKIP is very silly being opposed to same-sex civil marriage.”

They claim that they are opposed to it because, if it’s legalised while we’re in the EU, gays could FORCE churches to marry them.

…

The noise you can hear right now is the noise of that not having happened yet.

The other reason, I suspect, is that they picked up lots of ex-Tories who hate same-sex marriage c. 2012, and they don’t want to lose them.

lee

Maybe the NHS should fund help for those with a hatred of others. I really do pray the people don’t vote him in -if they do I believe this is because of the stance on the EU and imigration.

Steven Gregory

Interesting how the bumpkins to whom “homophobia” applies the most, hate that term. Helmer seems to subscribe to the notion that “phobia” is ONLY fear related. Phobia also relates to ignorance, education and enlightenment are processes whereby phobias are overcome. Helmer prefers ignorance.

Katie

Ukip supporters are virulently transphobic, too – and not just the ones over 70 years of age whom Farage seems to be making an ‘excuse’ for. Why, if he’s ever looked at the online blog of his thirtysomething deputy leader, Paul Nuttall, he’ll find an entry entitled ‘Trangender Queries’ in which he expresses his apparent outrage that trans people have the temerity to have an organisation within his constituency and assumes that if this were more widely known amongst the cis populace they would be ‘shocked'(!)
On the other hand though, ne only has to look at Ukip supporters’ reaction to Nikki Sinclaire on YouTube to discover that they are profoundly transphobic, misogynistic and thoroughly sexist.

monica

Oh he’s over 70. That explains everything ~ for example ~ it explains why women who are the victims of date rape should expect to carry 50% of the blame because they obviously led the man on (another Helmerism!)

Steve Cheney

Yeah, it’s not a great excuse considering he would have basically spent his entire life in a country and a society in which homosexuality has becoming MORE accepted.

monica

It is the excuse made for him by Farage. It is an excuse and not any kind of a reason let alone a valid one.

Barry Scarfe

Paull Nuttall is appropriately named and have you seen how he looks? I doubt whether you could find a better resemblance to Mussolini if you tried to!

http://thewriterstransition.wordpress.com/ Tamlyn Ailsa MacPherson

’nuff said

misfit44

I don’t call amputating breasts and genitalia the same as fixing a cleft pallet. Many would call this genital mutilation. So perhaps if men want to become women they should go to an Islamic country like Somalia and get the operation done free.
Mengeles was a respected medical professional.

http://thewriterstransition.wordpress.com/ Tamlyn Ailsa MacPherson

Really? Most medical professionals in the civilised world would regard them both as necessary surgical reconstructions to improve the standard of living for the patients. If people are ignorant enough to dismiss GRS as mere mutilation, then they have very little understanding of the reasons and motivations behind it. For example, if you knew anything about it for a start, you would know that it’s not about amputation. Your comments about going and getting oneself hacked up in an Islamic country show you to be a typical transphobic troglodyte out to wind up people on the internet behind an anonymous name and faceless profile, and shoehorning a stereotypical view of Islam as a brutal, vindictive religion into the mix just shows your bigotry isn’t limited to the LGBTcommunity. As for Mengeles being a respected professional , I think you’ll find the majority of modern scientists, psychologists and medical professionals in the civilised world strongly disagree, and I would take their medical opinions over yours any day.

misfit44

Calm down dear. Calm down. As for transphobia why not try turning up on the front door of the lesbian only B& B Chymorgen at St Juste, Cornwall and see what sort of welcome you get.

http://thewriterstransition.wordpress.com/ Tamlyn Ailsa MacPherson

I am incredibly calm, thank you very much dear. You think I don’t know how transphobic other people in the LGBT community can be? It is a massive problem with Trans people always being the first ones kicked out of the canoe when the waters get choppy, closely followed by Bisexuals. It stinks, but being gay or lesbian doesn’t make someone an arshole… being exposed night and day to a culture that says certain groups of people are worth less than others is what makes people in to arseholes. Reinforcing divides in society, no matter how ‘equal’ supporters of the idea claim both sides are, creates an ‘otherness’ that serves as detrimental to each side’s opinions of the other. Gay people who seek to be Heterosexual are not doing it because they feel it’s unnatural or immoral, but because vast swathes of other people unload their prejudices upon them and pressure them to try and fit in. If someone is given the choice of ‘be straight or lose your family’ those desperate enough will try it. Incidentally the vast majority of people who go for it come to their senses and dismiss it as utterly useless. I am against prejudice in all its forms, but religious and political organisations who choose to embrace prejudice need to be held to account when the lies and half-truths they bandy about have a detrimental effect on the rights and safety of ANY group of people. To discriminate against someone because their very existence is at odds with the faith one chooses to follow, is not a valid reason to shun, deride or attack them. To stand there and spread lies like “Gays aren’t real, it’s a lifestyle choice, all gays are paedophiles, all trans people are just rapists” etc. like many religious people do, is detrimental and damaging to the LGBT community, and also to the credibility of other people of faith who are supportive of LGBT people and our rights. I don’t often hear many disparaging remarks and lies told about people for being straight, male, white, cisgender… whatever, but when I do, rest assured I fight their corner too. It’s a horrible thing to be treated as less worthy, or less human because of the way we are made, but it becomes a whole other kind of nasty when dangerous lies are thrown around to fuel the prejudice.

Steve Cheney

“I don’t call amputating breasts and genitalia the same as fixing a cleft pallet. Many would call this genital mutilation. So perhaps if men want to become women they should go to an Islamic country like Somalia and get the operation done free. ”

Wow.

No.

john

It’s a shame there isn’t a NHS cure for being a UKIP supporter …. Hopefully old age will catch up with them soon

James!

When I was out and about in the 90’s things were rough but I have never felt as much hatred as I do now. How could the situation have got as bad as this even though we have equal marriage? Sure there were attacks and bars had boarded up windows but there was a sense of progress after the really dark days of aids. I will get attacked for this but I beleive the rise of the gay right in the late 90’s pushing the assimilation agenda focused of the material wealth of some gay people with the pink pound marketing rather than focusing on the security of the most vulnerable lgbt people. Those left behind will be the ones who are suffering. Even more so in z2014. Imagine living in a borough run by ukip how isolated, vulnerable and probably terrified you’d feel while the rich tories in their comfortable shire homes who pushed for marriage wouldn’t give a damn if you were attacked or worse.

BlessPapaBenny

Basically the “gay rights” politicians have used LGBT community as a battering ram against the White population. Pushing on the majority without their consent an agenda that only represents a tiny fraction of the population.

These are also the same politicians that have pushed for massive immigration and forced assimilation in all and only White countries – more commonly known as GENOCIDE.

Unfortunately the “gay rights” agenda is now heavily associated with White GENOCIDE and the resentment is building.

The backlash against such outrageous policies is likely to be extremely severe and gay people will now be seen as traitors that have colluded with the enemy.

“Gay rights” politicians have actually sold the LGBT community down the river and it will unfortunately be the ordinary folk set to pay the price.

daveg

So, Farage, its OK to support anything which has been got rid of / reformed in the last 50 years if you are just a bit older than that? Racial discrimination, homophobia, grotesque class privilege, stopping married women from working, no working rights or equal pay for women, no abortions under any circumstance (except back street ones), preventing novels and plays which mention sex from being published? This is UKIP – if Mary Whitehouse was still alive she would be a fervent supporter and probably its next leader. This Helmer idiot is standing in a by-election buoyed up by populist stupidity and excessive media attention – he might actually win.

Steve Cheney

Let’s not forget the basic acknowledgment that marriage does not mean automatic consent to all sex with your spouse. The concept of rape within marriage was not acknowledged by the law until relatively recently – the 90s – when it was opposed by all kinds of swivel-eyed loons.

Jim Hall

“The party that hates gays.”
When have they actually said they hate gays ?

Steve Cheney

OK, FINE.

They don’t hate gays, they just want us to have less rights than everybody else, and compare us to child abusers pretty much at the drop of the hat.

I’m sure they do that because of how much they like us.

misfit44

Gays have way more rights than anyone else.

Steve Cheney

Not really interested in anything you have to say, you weird lunatic.

Truth

Aren’t you the person who quotes from the bible? Hahah. Nuff said ……

Psychologist

Indeed he is TRUTH ! “misfit44″ who is really David Skinner, (see his Facebook page via link on his profile https://www.facebook.com/david.skinner.90226)
is obsessed with gay sex, as well as religion ! Says it all doesn’t it !
He’s another homophobic, religious loon !

misfit44

I certainly do not hate you. I hate lies and the evil that has you in its power . Repent and ask Jesus to release you from the bondage of same sex desire. Jesus is the Truth, the way and the life and if the Truth sets you free you will be free indeed.

Yesh U R

You are a liar, you do hate and you have no manners either, keep your religious propaganda to your own little circle of delusional’s like yourself.

Lee W Dalgleish

And how did you work that out? LOL… We don’t have more rights but we have fought for equal rights.

misfit44

But lee you don’t want the right to be just like us. What you want is the right to force our children to become like you

monica

Actually, I bet you that the average gay person will wish that no more gay persons are ever born if they are to be subject to your kind of diatribe, persecution and hate. Has your God instructed you to use the internet to further the message of hate as far and wide as cross the world as far as you can?
No. I thought not.

misfit44

No Monica, the real persecution and hatred comes from within the gay community itself, which has a tendency to tear itself apart. My God does indeed tell me to go and make disciples of all nations. There are no average persons, each one is unique and made in the image of God. The fact that I stirred up your spirit is good. It still shows that you are alive. Were you not to respond this would mean that you were too far gone.

monica

‘There are no average persons, each one is unique and made in the image of God.’

So by implication even folk who happen to be gay were made by (your) God that way? If (your) God is indeed a bit gay like you say, perhaps homeopathy or sexual repression techniques could be tried?

Serial homophobe and deranged schizophrenic David Skinner gives Bill his full support: “I have contributed to the Pink News in the UK and not surprisingly have been banned many times. I also have a store of filth and hatred directed at me personally. I don’t keep this as some kind of unforgiving grudge, but it is vital that we document everything and thus are able to use it as evidence, when necessary.”

Now you know why Skinner keeps appearing on this site in his various guises, it is to provoke and collect the responses to “use when necessary”.

Lee W Dalgleish

You do understand you can’t force someone to be gay? To be honest I don’t know why I’m responding to an idiot like you anyway. Just a sad little troll crying out for a bit of attention by coming out with a load of nonsense.

misfit44

One develops a same sex attraction through a number of roots, most of which start with a trauma in early life. Others become “gay” through being abused by an older chlld or adult. Some might develop a taste for same sex flesh through experimentation or even through philosophy.

Peter Tatchell in a number of different articles, all entitled, “Beyond Equality” says, ” Who we are attracted to largely derives from a combination of social experience and ideology. In other words, everyone is born with the potential to be queer. Exclusive heterosexuality is mainly the result of a socially-encouraged repression of same-sex desire. In a society where there were no pressures or privileges associated with being straight, a lot more people would be queer or bisexual. Lesbian and gay attraction would cease to be a minority sexual orientation and become something that almost everyone would experience.”
The tragedy is that the power of sex is such that to try to escape from the bondage of same sex attraction might seem humanly impossible. But with God all things are impossible.

Lee W Dalgleish

I’m sorry, I stopped paying attention when you tried to link sexuality to life trauma and abuse. Two things that have NEVER happened in my life. The tragedy is there are people like you coming out with such BS still.

Rovex

Yeah he is talking about closet cases like you. You being attracted to men, but repressing it. You say God helps you, yet you are the one wasting all your time on here talking BS, making unfounded claims and trying to compete with people far smarter than you.

Seems your God isnt being terribly helpful at all.

Rovex

Evidence!! I demand evidence!!

Yesh U R

I doubt that is true, but we do have a lot of highly educated and well balance individuals who can see people like you for what they are in a micro-second. A troll is a troll when all is said and done and you are a sad and deeply conflicted troll. Carry on trolling and we will carry on ignoring your trolling while being fully cognizant of the fact that you are a self-hating brainwashed gay person crying out your distress in every word of the posts you make on this site.

misfit44

“Highly educated and well balanced individuals” Steady, steady, This is a bold claim indeed. Name one.

Yesh U R

Better a bold claim if indeed it is so which it is not than the constant hate and fear and self loathing that you vomit out at every possible chance you get. Once again, when will Pink News finally deal with you? You bounce back with the same garbage every single time, we get the message you hate us, here’s the shock reply, we don’t care.

Rovex

Really, what rights do we have that you dont?

Keith in SALFORD

He could have a moustachectomy on the NHS and get rid of that hideous lavatory brush under his nose.

Just sayin’

Keith
SALFORD

CHBrighton

Poor Newark. What have they done to deserve Roger Helmer?

http://www.derekwilliams.net Derek Williams

How can you (and why should we) fund something that doesn’t exist?

JonParker

Gay cure therapy does exist, it just doesn’t work no matter how much you pray. Two months of it resulted in me having to be talked down from the edge of a cliff.

Psychologist

Indeed Jon. I feel empathy for you, or anyone who has been subjected to this “quack” “therapy” !
“Gay cures” not only don’t exist (why should they, it’s NOT an illness, so doesn’t require ANY cure) but it is known to cause much psychological harm to people, including depression, anxiety, low self-esteem, which can lead to self-harm and even suicidal thoughts, or suicide itself.
It sounds very much like you are sadly, living proof of this form of abuse, which Helmer wants people to have on NHS !

Truth

I am so sorry that you had to go through that.

REALrenovato

Age has nothing to do with it, it is willfull ignorance and stupidity mixed in with bigotry and an unwillingness to come to terms with reality.
My Grandmother was 84 when she died, bright in mind till the last, she had no problem accepting gay people, ( or intersex and transgender folks) and that was in the 1970’s, there is no difference she said, other than (we) fall in love with our own sex. We had conversations about those things in age approproiate language.
Rodger Helmer is an ignorant bigot and a homophobe, there is a cure for that, education and therapy, although I would object to having to pay for it on the NHS, through my taxes. At his age, he should have learned a few things before now, and know the difference between ignorance and knowledge.
That makes him unsuitable for office and election to any position where HE can vote on matters which affect the rest of us.

Truth

Beautifully put …!

Mari

The difference between therapy and operations for trans people and ‘gay cure’ therapy is that one has a scientific basis in fact and the other is the preserve of unqualified crackpot loonies with a high propensity to sexually abuse their patients. There are clear psychological benefits associated with treating someone who has gender dysphoria; there is no evidence whatsoever that ‘gay cure’ therapy works, and it has been found to cause severe distress and depression in some cases. The best ‘evidence’ that its supporters had, a 2003 study by Robert Spitzer, was retracted in 2012 by the author. He apologized for any harm he caused with his methodologically flawed study and said categorically that ‘gay cure’ therapy does not work.

As for homeopathy; again, it does not matter what he or other lay people think about it. There is no sufficient evidence whatsoever that it works, nor that water has ‘memory’. The public should not be forced to pay for a glorified placebo.

This man is truly horrible and bigoted. And to think that not only does UKIP seek refuge in the fact that he is 70, he is likely to come second in the Newark by-election! Will the other candidates make use of this outrageous nonsense from him? Will the people care?

UKIP is not a symptom of political disaffection. It is a full-blown disease.

Psychologist

Agreed !

Ian

Helmer’s thickheaded confusion/misunderstanding/misapplication
of the word “homeopathy” is not funny really.

It’s on a par with the reasoning of the random mob that
trashed a young “pædiatrician”’s home, in the thickheaded
conviction that she was a “pædophile”.

Psychologist

Why is Helmer so OBSESSED with “killing off” homosexual feelings/desires in OTHER people ? It couldn’t just be that he’s simply using PROJECTION to kill off his OWN suppressed gay feelings ….. could it ?
Classic homophobia ! He is OBSESSED with the “gay-sex” of OTHER PEOPLE … WHY ?

Steve Cheney

Because like a lot of ex-Tories in UKIP, he was drawn to the party primarily because of their openness to homophobia. UKIP has roped in a lot of ex-Tories following the moves to legalise same-sex marriage by being openly hostile to gay rights.

And yes, homophobes are all obsessed with gay sex. They can’t stop thinking about it, no matter how much (they claim) it disgusts them. If I thought about gay sex as much as Roger Helmer, my weekly shopping trip to Tesco would take fourteen hours and result in several arrests.

Psychologist

Indeed Steve ! Homophobes are OBSESSED with gay sex, of OTHER people ! His “apparent” repulsion to it, is directly due to the suppression of the “attraction” to it. He’s using a Freudian defence mechanism called “Reaction Formation”. (presenting the exact OPPOSITE of what is really being felt).

http://www.transfigurations.co.uk Carol Steele

Farage defends him on the grounds that it was illegal to be gay when he was an adult – however the Sexual Offences Act was passed in 1967 (although in the previous nine years many right minded people campaigned for the introduction of the Act) – so Helmer has had the past 47 years to adjust his thinking – something he felt he couldn’t do – so is the rest of his thinking based on pre-1967 prejudices

quotes

What exactly is wrong with it if people want the therapy?

They might be wrong to want it in most people’s opinion, but surely it should be up to them?

http://www.transfigurations.co.uk Carol Steele

They only want it because of people like Helmer and his ilk shame people into thinking that being gay is disgusting. Fortunately society has moved on and the majority of people are now fine with people’s alternative sexualities. Unfortunately, some dinosaur’s are incapable of taking on board new ideas and are so rooted in their past indoctrination when they were young that they will forever be relics from the past.

Steve Cheney

“What exactly is wrong with it if people want the therapy?”

The fact this even the people who provided it admit now that it was basically by-proxy abuse and has no value whatsoever?

I’m not saying that shouldn’t be available. What I am saying is that if we’re all going to be outraged by the NHS providing boob jobs and nose jobs, we have no business condoning it providing what is essentially an extreme S&M package.

Seriously, the thing that’s wrong with it is that it doesn’t work and is just homophobes physically torturing people to see if it cures their gayness. It has no value as therapy whatsoever, and ultimately, the NHS should be making decisions over what it funds based on evidence, not mere popularity.

misfit44

Exactly so. It is called freedom of choice- something that the gaystapo will not allow. Yet the gaystapo have no hesitation in offering Pink therapy with Dominic Davies to someone who wants to become gay . The reticulated jaws of the Pink python travel in only one direction.

Steve Cheney

Um, your stupid argument only makes sense if the NHS is required to offer any and all services that the market provides, with no regard for efficacy or evidential basis.

The NHS is a PUBLIC service, and thus is not required to do that.

The market will undoubtedly continue to provide the by-proxy child abuse that is “gay conversion therapy”, no matter how many groups involved renounce it. But that does not mean that the NHS has to. The public sector exists to provide services that market forces can’t or won’t provide. And it is not obligated to provide quackery or pseudo-scientific “therapy”, even if there is demand for it.

misfit44

Frankly I am not aware of the NHS offering free reparation therapy. All this has been kicked off by Roger Helmer who was speaking figuratively. I don’t think he meant for one moment for anyone to take him literally, except perhaps gays.

Steve Cheney

The NHS doesn’t offer this. Helmer was asking rhetorically what would be wrong with the NHS offering it – and I think my answers here have made that clear. Helmer appears to have little idea of how the NHS works and so appears to just assume that any treatment that one might conceivably *want* – regardless of whether it works – should be available.

REALrenovato

Begone

JonParker

It’s wrong because the problem people who want it are having is that they hate themselves and gay cure therapy can only ever increase that self loathing, pushing them towards self-harm and/or suicide. I went through gay cure therapy and it was the worst decision of my life, it turned me to self harm, comfort eating and attempted suicide. It ruins your life and does major harm. It should be classed as torture and made illegal

Rovex

Its wrong because it doesn’t work, there is no such thing as gay conversion therapy, its a lie.

Even the *providers* of this therapy have agreed that it is dangerous bunk that amounts to by-proxy child abuse. The only reason anyone should be allowed to engage in such activity is if they happen to get off on it, and I’m not sure the NHS should be funding them if that’s the case.

soapbubblequeen

There are also a lot of people over 70 who are NOT homophobic Mr Helmer! Has that thought ever entered your tiny little mind? Clearly not! So shut up: stupid.old.fart.

misfit44

Now, now, now that is not the way to talk.
The one who coined the words homosexual and heterosexual, Carl Maria Kertbeny got his
Greek the wrong way around. Straights are indeed the homosexuals and the pinkoes
are the heterosexuals. Hetero means strange, foreign, conglomerate. Homo
means all of a piece, of the same kind, complete, stable and uniform like a
plug and socket , which might be different but are of the same kind and
fit together. They are homogenous. The relationship of a penis with an anus, or any other orifice,
apart from the one where it is correctly geometrically related, to the vagina, are strange

The
homophile is a mythical creature and just as such a creature had never

existed before 1869,(in the same way that the homosapien had never existed
before 1802 [here homo is Latin and not Greek and means man and is linked to
the word humus or soil]) so its antithesis, the homophobe had never
existed. Before 1869 there is no mention in all of history of either a
homophile or homophobe as distinct species. having invented the philia its antithesis was
was automatically invented- just like light and dark, bitter and sweet, night and day. You cannot have one without the other.
But as I say these are mythical creatures that have no relationship to reality

misfit44

Now let’s calm down and get a little bit of historical perspective on this
Carl Maria Kertbeny, the first gay rights
advocate, the one who coined the words homosexual and heterosexual got his
Greek the wrong way around. We are indeed the homosexuals and the pinkoes
are the heterosexuals. ‘Hetero’ means strange, foreign, conglomerate. ‘Homo’
means all of a piece, of the same kind, complete, stable and uniform like a
plug and socket , which though different are of the same kind and
fit together. They are homogenous. The relationship between a penis and anus, or any other orifice,
apart from the one where it is correctly geometrically related, ie., in the vagina, are strange
or heterogeneous.

The
homophile is a mythical creature and just as such a creature had never

existed before 1869,(in the same way that the homosapien had never existed

before 1802 [here homo is Latin and not Greek and means man and is linked to

the word humus or soil]) so its antithesis, the homophobe had never

existed either Before 1869 there is no mention in all of history of either a

homophile or homophobe as distinct species. However having invented one antithesis the other
was automatically invented.
We call this the great homosexual gene hoax.

Steve Cheney

Just out of curiosity, are you expecting to persuade anybody with this argument, or is your sole purpose to upset anyone stupid enough to take you seriously?

misfit44

The truth is always upsetting.

Yesh U R

That explains why you are in full flight away from it.

Steve Cheney

So are lies.

misfit44

No they fill me with mirth. It is only when lies are peddled to children leading them to an early grave and the prospect of hell that I become angry. Never upset.

Steve Cheney

What the dicks are you talking about?

Rovex

Your stupidity is upsetting me. Frankly its painful to read. How do you function on a day to day basis?

bobbleobble

Your tortured linguistic analysis is ridiculous but your claims below your link are just bizarre. So did gravity not exist before it was given a name?

misfit44

The laws of gravity are provable through hypothesis and testing. in the same way that the discovery of America and the Antarctic were provable. The theory of the gay gene is pure moonbattery.
Listen to these two moonbats.

There is no country called Gaytranselvania.

Rovex

You just dont understand genetics, hardly a big shock to the rest of us..

Sister Mary Clarence

I’d be intrigued to know if the NHS funded his lobotomy.

Josh Curzon

Mr Helmer, the NHS has tried this before. It didn’t work then, it doesn’t work now, and it never will. Instead of trying to force people into being something they’re not, we should help them accept who they are.
(contain some ickyness)

misfit44

Yes, I saw this programme and it ended with the gay doctor being left very disturbed. He had gone out to prove something and he proved nothing. If he had appeared at the end of the programme at peace with himself then we could say yes point proved. It is also significant that he hardly gives any time for the real therapists and counsellors who do achieve success to make their point.

Steve Cheney

What “real therapists and counsellors”? You know that these things have a really poor success rate, right? At best, when there is no violence or torture involve, they’re basically “a guide to how to be closeted”.

jacks

how strange this guy said this years ago when he was a conservative mep, absolutely no one reported these views whatsoever until years later he becomes a ukip mep, anyone else find this strange or the fact that the scottish mep for ukip is a scottish openly gay man ? why would he be a member of ukip then if they were this awful party that apparently hates gay people…? i think most of you have common sense and have seen how fashionable to have shock headlines about ukip candidates, is no one horrified that since january there have been 50 labour councilor/mps have actually been convicted of pedophile and not one mainstream newspaper has reported any of these cases………or how about actual racial attacks…? 15 actually councilors from around the uk imprisoned for racial attacks and none are ukip..? and again not reported in mainstream newspapers…? anyone wonder why..? am i the only one concerned about this…?

Truth

If Farrage disagrees with this vile bigot, why doesn’t’ he simply dismiss him from the party ….?

Psychologist

Indeed TRUTH … So one could conclude from Farage’s actions that – he DOESN’T disagree with Helmer ! (but won’t publicly amid that).

Steve Cheney

Because he’s an MEP and the party wants his money.

bobbleobble

Quite simply, the different reaction to Helmer’s comments from his days as a Tory is that he is now a major player in a burgeoning political movement and so his comments are going to attract more attention than when he was a relatively obscure Tory MEP. He is a key player in UKIP, he was never more than a second string political lightweight in the Tories.

David Coburn astounds me but there are always people who are willing to attack the community to which they belong in order to get ahead.

As for the councilors convicted of various things then perhaps you could provide a link. Bearing in mind however than UKIP have only around 300 councilors compared to the several thousand that Labour and the Tories have and most of those were only elected less than a fortnight ago then it’s hardly surprising that there aren’t many arrested for anything yet.

lord thorpe

“I don’t know if homeopathy works” What an idiot! Just too funny to be taken seriously

Psychologist

Indeed ! Does Helmer think homeopathy is “homo-therapy” …?
What a total idiot ?

Psychologist

Helmer says …. “I don’t know if homeopathy works” ……. !
Not only does “homeopathy” have NOTHING to do with these “so-called” “gay-cures” – but he’s just admitted in that statement that he DOESN’T even KNOW if it works … yet he’s saying it should be made available on NHS !!!!!! REALLY …..????
What an idiot !

Steve Cheney

I think I see the parallel, actually. Like homeopathy, “gay cures” are pure quackery, never tested or shown to be efficacious.

Roger Helmer presumably believes as a pseudo-libertarian that all treatment that someone might want should be available (even if the “side effects” include depression, bodily injury, and a high risk of self-harm and suicide); he can believe that if he likes.

But it is a moot point. The NHS doesn’t offer homeopathy – it is expected to provide treatment based on evidence, rather merely market forces. For that reason alone, the NHS should not be offering “gay therapy”, which has never been shown to work and which carries huge risks to the patient.

But then, as a pseudo-libertarian, Helmer probably doesn’t support the NHS’ existence at all.

Psychologist

You make some excellent points – I agree !

Leonard Woodrow

The NHS would be better employed funding psychiatric treatment for this clown Helmer than wasting it on trying to reverse a naturally evolved behaviour.

Steven Gregory

Since Helmer considers sexuality something that can be changed, he and his co-imbeciles should show us how easily it is done: change their sexuality for a short while: say 1-5 years.

Of course this is moot, because his sexuality — like Julia Gasper and Nigel Farage — is dried up dung.

monica

When speaking of ‘dried up dung’ it is a dereliction of duty not to mention Julie Burchill.

Johannes Frimann

In the US people have sucessfully “converted” to hetrosexuality. These are religious people who wanted to respect their religion.
I find it very akward that voluntarily seeking help to change one`s lifestyle should resort to such a shaming.
Truth of the mattier is probs this: If there is an easily accessible way to change sexual orientation through theraphy, views on morality will change. Conservative religious people will find more comfort in society and the gays do not want that.

This is about control. Nothing else.

Steve Cheney

It is indeed about control. It is about the religious desperately trying to get back control that they have lost as a result of moral consensus against them. Many Christians have spent a long time lying to the world about gay people – about how we feel, what we do, etc. – and until recently, we have not been permitted to give our side without censure or retribution.

Unsurprisingly, once gay people were able to talk about our experiences firsthand, people tended to believe us over the preachers and pundits who at least *claim* not to have any firsthand experience at all. Their only rebuttal was to claim that hundreds of thousands of gay people were all lying about their experience and that they – with no firsthand knowledge – were the ones who would tell us all the truth about what we really think.

That’s the minority, of course. The majority of conservatives did what conservatives have always done – fight change with a horrific fervour, right up until the last second before it becomes obvious that the fight is over, and then weaselishly switch sides and deny all knowledge of having ever opposed.

Rovex

There are virtually no genuine cases of people being converted by religion, or any therapy. There has been brainwashing, and a suppression of same sex attraction in those already bisexual, but no real conversions.

All the well known ones have been proven fake and the rest just now seem damaged hateful people.

Oh, to put it another way: let’s see what Roger Helmer is claiming he said now, after a solid week of bumbling around defending what he said, acting like he had no idea what was wrong with it.

Lawrence Newman

So it’s okay to fund mentally ill people who want to ‘change sex’ from a man to a woman, but it’s not okay to allow people who don’t want to be homosexual to get therapy to see if they can change their behaviour?

Helmer is right, logically. But LGBT extremists operate exclusively on emotion and do not do reason.

monica

Neither the NHS or UK government happen to agree with you. You are unlikely to receive much support for your views here. Why waste your time here when you could go and lobby government with you eloquent turns of phrase and pearls of wisdom?

Adam Watson

Mentally ill? So transgender people are mentally ill? And being gay is not a type of behaviour. You make it sound as though being gay is some kind of perversion that needs fixing. The only person who is mentailly ill around here is you with outdated views like this

Psychologist

You’re wrong on every level.
“Gay cure” therapies DON’T WORK ! They not a “real therapy – the process is “quack therapy” invented by homophobic Christians, who use “projection” to attempt to “cure” their OWN suppressed homosexuality!
This quack therapy not only doesn’t work, it is actually know to cause psychological damage !
Helmer hasn’t a clue what he’s taking about, and can’t even get the name of it right !

The Zizzanax

Awww, is the attack on? you going to wave your wittle pwacards and chant in the street how you feel? Good luck, right-wingers aren’t nearly as loud as you lot, but they will vote in the numbers, and they will vote UKIP

monica

From my own perspective, the answer to your question is a resounding NO. It is not an attack on me personally; it’s much worse than that, it’s an attack on all society in this country.

The UK has gained sophistication in recent years. I feel that mostly the public no longer wish to live in a society that harbours prejudice against members of their families, friends or their neighbours. They don’t want to step out and witness rioting, ‘queer bashing’ or ‘Pakki bashing’ (to use the choice of words of haters rather than my own). Nor do they wish to work in environments where a bad atmosphere is generated by bigoted work colleagues or discrimination from managers.

The haters tend believe that the majority are on their side ~ well, I don’t believe that to be the case. Haters are the new minority and they don’t like that as a fact. They are feeling alienated and that’s why some of them are supporting UKIP. Others are just haters of the establishment. Don’t ask me to think that is ‘cool’.

If you investigate the psychology of hate you’ll find that it doesn’t make for pretty reading. You’ll find the reasons that underpin it are based on people having being abused, being let down or under-achieving.

We need collectively to overlook these traits in folk and look to support them. Everybody deserves the opportunity of living a fruitful life.

Personally I’m a strong advocate of equality. That doesn’t mean speaking out for a community that happens to be in the pink zone or a racial group, the disabled or whatever. It means making sure that every individual is respected, can live with dignity with their human rights intact.

Equality is not something you can slice up, divide or cherry-pick from. It includes everyone and not just folk who have a protected characteristic or those folk that you perceive as different. Different does not mean deficient or deviant. It just means different.

As regards UKIP, they actually have little chance of success. Our first past the post system that I frequently criticise as loaded in favour of the major parties, that prevents parties like the Greens from gaining the ground (that they so deserve), will also serve to keep out minorities like UKIP.

Psychologist

I agree with you entirely Monica – well said !

ADm

Why is it UKIPers seem to totally disregard the fact that their party is a haven for racists, homophobes, climate change deniers & basically Tea Party-loving fruitcakes? They always get aggressive when stories like this come out & try and pretend all parties have people like this. They might have 1 or 2 but UKIP is full to the brim with them. From two-bit councillors all the way up to MEPs. It used to be the Tories that had all these cretins, but they now seem to have all found their into UKIP. These are facts & UKIP can deny it all they want! The idea UKIP have the same number of nutters as every other party, but the media just focuses more on UKIP so it seems like they have more, is utter nonsense!

theWriter

Obviously, this guy is ignorant and has never read a single book in his life. I’m sorry that his thoughts are so limited. He’s under so much pressure because of his prejudiced lifestyle that he might have a stroke any second. Sorry, Helmer. I wish there was a way we could FIX YOU!
Grow up man, grow up.

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