The comments box to this post would be an excellent place for NDP sympathizers, and moreover, candidates in the London North Centre riding, to reaffirm their party's, and their own, support for journalistic freedom to take photographs at public events.

Mr Warren sounds like he'd be the perfect agent for a totalitarian state... demanding identification in a public area, denying access, etc.

As for you, Robert McClelland, get a grip, son. You're making the NDP look like even bigger moonbats than they are. Or is it that you would prefer to live in a state that denies everything except that of which you approve?

I can't stop laughing. I just find it so ironic that Me-gain Walker, who is supposedly so concerned about the rights of women, out there flaying her arms, and whaling like a banshee in support of the Taliban. Them cuddling up to the Communist party of Canada makes me want to puke.

It does not surprise me that Maynard has no clue as to what is going on in the rest of the world, the fucktard didn't even realize they were booting his ass out the door after he worked his little balls off providing a stick for Me-again to poke Haskett with.

Gil Warren taking on the role as gestapo for the ndp does not surprise me. It must have been so comical him screaming at Mike calling him a government spy. I hope the stupid-sons-of-whores show up at Victoria Part on Nov 11 with their anti-war protest. It would be poetic justice to see the sniveling cowards look in the eyes of our veterans, who would surely spit on the likes of them. They won't show though, because we know, and they know,they are fucking whining cowards.

Mike just for the hell of it, you should put a complaint into taliban Jack about the harassment you suffered as a private citizen on public property, at the hands of gestapo Gil. You do have the proof. I would love to read that response letter. If I were you I would take it all the way to the star chamber. Turn the tables, use their own stupidity against them.

Does taliban Jack have an email address? I wouldn't want to be hurting a tree by using a slice of paper, and an envelope to send him a tangible note. It is ok with the ndp if you bury a women up to her neck in sand, and throw large stones at her head until there is nothing left but a bloody pulp, but hurt a tree and the ndp turn crazy. Wouldn't want to piss the ndpers off by being insensitive to a tree. Not taking my life in my hands, worrying about gestapo Gil dressed in a ski-mask knocking down my door for dissing the forest.

Let me see...how to word it...

Dear Jack,

You know how the ndp are suppose to be all passive, and the males are to wear panties because they are pussy-wupped...well...one of your fold has broken rank, and was verbally aggressive to Mike, a CSIS spy who was photographing your pro-taliban rally at Victoria Park here in London last weekend.

Gestapo Gil was harassing poor Mikey, and demanding his identification papers. Gestapo Gil also made racist remarks towards Mikey, stating Mikey was of an inferior race because of his blonde hair, and blue eyes. I am of the red head, blue-eyed tribe myself, and I find Gestapo Gils remarks very offensive, and I think he needs to be shot, or at least bitch-slapped upside the head.

A word of advice.I realize the ndp are not in power, but don't you think you should hide your SS personnel until after the surrender to the taliban? That would be the smart thing to do Jack. You were all doing a fine job pretending you were just a bunch of pansy-assed cowardly nutjobs, don't wreck it now.

You people are insane. If you think we're in Afghanistan to liberate the women from oppression you're obviously simple-minded fools easily manipulated by the media into supporting the government's agenda at all costs.

If our government really gave a shit what was happening to the women in Afghanistan, why didn't we invade in 1994 when it all started? Funny how only when the Taliban reneges on a pipeline deal with the U.S. they all of a sudden become "enemies of freedom".

We're in Afghanistan to carry out missions for the U.S., we are under U.S. command and if you had any pride in this country you would be ashamed that our soldiers are dying to prop up an overextended military industrial complex.

What in God's name gives you people the delusion that we can succeed where the Soviet army failed miserably?

If this war really was about women's rights it might be almost acceptable, but judging from your foul dispositions I have serious doubts as to your genuine concern for the plight of women in Afghanistan. Last time I checked the women over there are still wearing mesh blankets covering their entire bodies.

Don't use women as a shield from criticism of the war, it's really pathetic and reveals your moral cowardice.

Your hatred for the USA is very apparent. They go down, we go down you stupid fuckwit. We do 80 percent of our trade with them. Is that telling you anything? We need them so we can eat, to protect us, whether you like it or not.

Where does the Stautus of Women of Canada stand on the oppression and stoning deaths of the women in Afghanistan? They don't have a position on that do they? Why is that? Could it be because the group is made up of cowardly, selfish silver-spooned socialist, who have no compassion for the plight of women who live in horrid, torturous conditions far away?

I have more in common with a person in the USA, than I do with the Taliban, Hezzassholes, and Hamas. I prefer our way of life to theirs. I will fight for our way of life, and I will encourage others to do so also.

oh,,,and Annoy, this war is about the rights of women, the rights of all of us in the civilized world. This is the muslim world's jihad. A holy war so to speak, thier crusade. I don't like that religious element of it, makes it all the more nasty. Not a religious person myself, find it all very mystical, oppressive and illogical. If it comes down to a toss up between JC and Moe, I am going with JC. That christian entity seems like it might be an easier going kind of god to negotiate human rights with.

Hey Anony - You need to take some time to read some more of the blog entries if you think this site contains bloggers "easily manipulated by the media into supporting the government's agenda at all costs".I've been reading this site for a couple years now and although I don't always agree with the posts, the good folks at London Fog are not easily manipulated by anyone, especially the media or any government "agenda". The people here seem to have THEIR OWN ideas and perceptions.

Certainly I would consider myself on the political 'left' and therefore a supporter of free speech.

However, as far as I know it is still against the law to take and distribute photographs of people expressly against their will and I do not see what that has to do with free speech.

As for you, Elaine. As hard as it is to reason with foaming-at-the-mouth reactionaries such as yourself, I'm sure if you did e-mail that embarassing diatribe to Jack Layton it would only encourage him that his stance is correct.

With regards to all the trade we do with the USA, we get ripped off 99.9% of the time when we trade with them because of NAFTA and I wouldn't shed a tear if we were left to our own devices. We have more than enough resources in this country to sustain our population and in actuality the USA needs us far more than we need them. They need our lumber, our water, our coal and our electricity and many other countries in the world would fall all over themselves to fill the trading gap the USA would leave. I'm sure we'd get a better deal, too.

There is no benefit to Canada with "deep integration", only detriment. Yet I don't expect your feeble mind to grasp such a lofty concept as pride and dignity in one's own country when your knee-jerk reaction is to genuflect to hateful, self-serving imperialist nations.

That other Anonymous certainly likes living in Canada, enjoying the privilages we have and being able to spout arrent nonsense without consequence.

Pipeline deal? Go look a a picture of the Rocky Mountains and contemplate the effort and energy a modern, high tech civilization needed to put a few transport links through there. Now lets try to do something similar in a nation with few natural resources or trained personnel through a landscape which is far higher and more rugged than the Rockies. You can draw or even photoshop lines on a map, but this "project" would never pass muster by any serious person with knowledge of economics, engineering, energy markets...of course, knowledge of hard sciences, mathematics or technology would render about 3/4 of the "Left's" platform untenable, which is why the ill educated seem to flock to the ranks.

Of course some knowledge of history and current events helps as well. Canada entered Afghanistan in 2002 under the Liberal Government and deployed to Kandahar, and is once again performing a UN mandated mission under command of ISAF (NATO) in 2006.

Truth, like the "invisible hand" of the market, will get you every time.

Confirms what i've always known about the left: underneath the granola munching, peace loving facade, they're a bunch of thugs and bullies. taht's what they really like about the union movement - gives a potbellied boomer dufus a chance to act tough.As for mclelland - he's a typical example.

If our government really gave a shit what was happening to the women in Afghanistan, why didn't we invade in 1994 when it all started?

Your lack of comment on Gestapo Gil's disregard for my rights is noted.

I mean, I don't expect an NDP sympathizers to agree to keep his hands off my paycheque. The covetous we will always have with us. But unmolested access to a public park without acceeding to 1930s Europe style demands to show papers is the easy stuff, and you're flunking Basic Rights 020, just like Gil Warren and Stephen Maynard.

The arguments for and against war or for this or that religion are irrelevant.

What is at issue is the thuggish public behaviour of NDP executive. Back at headquarters you guys can get your jollies demanding ID from each other all you like, but in a public park you're just another citizen.

I would have put the exact same post up if it were a pro-military protest and it had been someone from the Freedom Party behaving like an eight year old trying out his new Gestapo Halloween costume.

Geez Gestapo Gil... I think you are wrong about taliban Jack not changing his mind about his pro-taliban rallies, after he reads my letter about you getting all frisky, and wanting to pound poor Mikey's melon. I bet he is going to order you go to sensitivity trainning, so you can touch yourself...I mean get in touch with yourself. I hear they make you punch and slap yourself, and call yourself names in front of a full length mirror. It is some sort of weird ndp aversion therapy. Gestapo Gil, I think you need it, if you want to be in the ndp party. They can't have thugs like you hanging around ruining their reputation as the perpetual victim. Do it for the party Gil!

Mikey, I will be having nightmares now...you putting that visual in my head, of all those ndpers practising full body cavity searches on each other, down at their headquarters.... ewwwwwww fucking ewwwwwwww.

It looks like Mr. McClelland agrees with the behavior of this high ranking NDP officer. I have been watching him for a while now.

If no apology is given, then it is a statement that the NDP is a political movement that uses such methods as their socialist predecessors Stalin, Hitler, and Mao.

The conclusion is that these types of tactics are now acceptable. I suspect that Mr. McClelland is not completely aware of that which he is attempting to unleash. He is not 'street smart'; I can tell.

Do you want Brownshirts, Mr. McClelland? You may call people names and giggle, sip a beer at your computer keyboard as you slur and heckle, but are you willing to, as the beloved Koran says, reap what you sew?

There are dark forces circling in the night. Some wear jackboots, others worship at the altar of Mars. They laugh at you, because you are food.

Gestapo Gil did more than that. Bad enough that he would put the lives of Canadian soldiers at risk by trying to get the message out to the enemy that we are a nation of weak-willed trolls.

Gestapo Gil has taken on the persona of the terrorist, hiding under a hood, demanding a private citizen's identification, at a public rally just because the citizen was wearing a poppy. The poppy to most Canadian citizens is a symbol of proud freedom, not something to be aggressively interrogated for by the likes of Gestapo Gil.

Certainly I would consider myself on the political 'left' and therefore a supporter of free speech.

Since when did one follow from the other? Not historically it didn't, and as far as the contemporary political 'left,' when was the last time the anonymous commenter who made this tenuous connection stepped foot on a university campus?

This is the head of CSIS.You listen up Gestapo Gil.If you harm our agent 1543328, otherwise known as POPPY-BOY, or we are going to make life real hard for you. We will arrange it for you to be working in a soup kitchen in Sibera, or even worse, Hedy Fry's pool boy. Leave our main man alone, if you don't want to end up naked on a calendar beside Scott shiny bum Brison.

Poppy boy are you out there? I have strict orders from the big guy to watch your back. If Gestapo Gil approaches you again, you are to eat your identification, and turn over your credit cards to me for safe keeping.

I think this is hilarious. The low-brow, knuckle dragging 'right' consistantly shows their true colours. For a moment, just humour us... please. back away from your capitalist feeding trough and be critical of yourselves.. for at least a moment... have you heard of the ancient eastern practice of 'tolerance'? oh wait, that is one of those terrorist words that is used for the Jihad right? How about 'understanding'? Nope that would be in the category along side of those welfare bums and queers right? I hope you all have to experience the other side of the coin one day and maybe, just maybe, the silver spoon will gag you on the way in.

A mindblowing, Orwellian comment -- and yet so cliched, so unremarkable, so factory-stamped.

My right to peacefully use a public park was physically denied by another citizen, in a manner verging on assault, and on the grounds of presumed political differences -- and it is I who needs a lesson in "tolerance"?

In your bigotry, intolerance, and lack of understanding, you ascribe to me hateful views for which you will find no evidence ("queers", indeed) on this blog.

"I hope you all have to experience the other side of the coin one day and maybe, just maybe, the silver spoon will gag you on the way in."

I know you do, Anonymous. Whatever coin you might have in mind, I'm sure all that would teach me tolerance and proper respect for progressive causes, wouldn't it?

My own edification aside, it would serve me right, wouldn't it, for taking pictures of a protest in a public park.

Wow, how innocent you are mike. Granted, what that individual did was wrong. What I find more disturbing is how you were dishonest with him from the begining. (If you would have told him you were with 'the london fog' the outcome of that situation would have been significantly different.) You then proceeded to antagonize and ridicule him which only escalated the situation. In a perverse way, you seemed to be enjoying this 'perfect' opportunity to expose what you perceive as the real motive of 'progressives'. You exploited an opportunity to serve your desire for controversy on your site, which in turn, increases the popularity of your site. Why not... hold on here this might be rather difficult for you... why not instead of sitting back on your arrogant ass ridiculing everyone else, offer some suggestions as to how we can make positive changes in this city and elsewhere. I find it quite funny you call my last post cliche when you, a person of obvious privledge, needs not worry about social justice or equality because of your white, straight, male and wealthy status. The silver won't rubbing off your spoon anytime in the near future... keep up the good work.

Don't forget, everything and anything is fair game for exploitation... EH?

For the hundredth time, he approached, pursued, and dogged me. That he was foolish enough to provide me with all this revealing stuff is his problem -- or more likely, a symptom of problems boiling not-so-deep inside Gil Warren.

I see you got the meta-bigotry checklist out! Where would we be without a racial inventory of the dissident population? Q.v.:

white, straight, male and wealthy status.

What if I were a left-handed Jew, too? How would that change things in Anonymous-World? Let's just push this baby to the max and pile a southpaw yarmulke on top of my hellbound white rich Gemini pussy-loving 2%-milk-drinking status.

In your world, would that a) make it more excusable, b) make it less excusable, or c) make no difference in your interpretation of NDP London North riding association vice president Gil Warren harrassing me in a public park? Please show your work.

On the other hand, if I had been a poor right-handed black 1%-milk-drinking homosexual atheist woman with a pet turtle (but not allergic to peanut butter), would that have made a difference in your interpretation of the events? Again, show your work.

One more thing that confuses me is that, as you probably know, Gil Warren is white and male. Did you take that into consideration, and if so, how did it affect your thinking?

I really wanna know, Anonymous. I can't help my white skin, but maybe I can come to understand race a little better.

You have demonstrated, once again Mike, your uneducated understanding of oppression. If you truly understood a fraction of race, gender or class analysis you would never make such racist, sexist and classist comments... or maybe they don't teach that in upper canada college.

Here are a few questions I have for you that will hopefully slow your (and your readers) devolutionary process:

A) Are you currently paying $400 a month in OSAP payments? If so, will you be doing that for the next 16.5 years?

B) Do you know what it is like to be the 1 out 3 people who are sexually assaulted in their lifetime? How about living in fear of such a situation daily?

C) What is a security certificate? Why aren't they issued to white people? Why is it so much more difficult for poor people to attain reasonable living conditions then it is for rich people to get richer? (I thought I would attach a CNNMoney link - a source you probably respect)

Mikey doesn't want to play anymore? Too much of a reality check for you? I know, I know, if you recognize these problems that means your recognizing yourself as the oppressor... tough gig eh? Well privilege comes with a price. But then again, tories are great at getting away with not paying it.

You throw some non sequitur, impertinent questions back at me in lieu of answering my own pertinent questions, and then get snarky when I make fun of your thought-templates.

But such is life in the Anonymous hall of mirrors. Your projective response fits a pattern that I will now recapitulate.

You called my comments racist, sexist, and classist, immediately after referring to me as "white, straight, male and wealthy".

Racist: You were the one who brought race into this, by referring to me as a white person. Race is nothing to me. It is you who believes that conclusions may be drawn about a person's race based on their attitudes.

Who is the racist?

Sexist: It is you who considers my sex to be important, and telling. I don't believe you can tell a person's sex from his or her attitudes.

Who is the sexist?

Classist: Repeatedly, from the depths of your prejudice, you have referred to (incorrect, btw) assumptions you've made about my background, wealth, and the particulars of my education. Being an individualist rather than a Marxist, I don't believe in the dogma of "classes". On the available evidence, class is very important to you.

Who is the classist?

Could it be, Anonymous, that you lack insight into yourself to such a degree that you project your own racism, classism, and sexism onto me, to whom none of these hang-ups apply?

Know thyself. Open your mind. How old are you, after all? There is still time to change. Ask your parents about it.