The opening scene was fantastic. At first I thought we were getting an "it was all a dream" moment, Arya is such a badass, probably my favorite character right now. The rest was setup and enjoyable, nothing special....except....

As Arya is riding on her horse and comes to a singing band of Lannister soldiers, I see this face that I distinctly recognize. Has to be someone that has been a minor character at some point. Im thinking a squire at some point. So I do a google search for "who is the singing lannister soldier s7 ep1." And I encounter a shitstorm of people hating that Ed Sheeran had a cameo. I had never seen Ed Sheerans face before in my life, but his face fit so well in the GoT world, specifically as a Lannister, that I was certain he was on the show before.

XxXdragonXxX wrote:The opening scene was fantastic. At first I thought we were getting an "it was all a dream" moment, Arya is such a badass, probably my favorite character right now. The rest was setup and enjoyable, nothing special....except....

As Arya is riding on her horse and comes to a singing band of Lannister soldiers, I see this face that I distinctly recognize. Has to be someone that has been a minor character at some point. Im thinking a squire at some point. So I do a google search for "who is the singing lannister soldier s7 ep1." And I encounter a shitstorm of people hating that Ed Sheeran had a cameo. I had never seen Ed Sheerans face before in my life, but his face fit so well in the GoT world, specifically as a Lannister, that I was certain he was on the show before.

Sgt. Largent wrote:That's a sign of great writing, character development and acting on Sophie Turner's part. Any great movie or series you want to see characters grow and evolve.

Jon has had a similar awesome growth arc over the course of the series.

I used to hate just about every scene Sansa and Jon were in season 1 and 2, now they're arguably the most compelling and rootable characters on the entire show.

Especially when they are in scenes together...

The media is making a big deal about Jon and Dani -- and those scenes are ok, but the two actors don't have near the chemistry and tension that Kit and Sophie do... Just look at the reunion scenes.

We've seen Sansa reunite with all of her siblings now, but none have had anywhere near the emotional impact of last season's Jon and Sansa reunion, which absolutely stunned me at the time, because I didn't expect the actors or characters to pair up like that.

Obviously the show is going with conventional wisdom and Targarian incest... Aunt and Nephew... which is, well, at least it's not twincest.

To me, if you are going to go down that road again - Jon and Sansa are better - at least they are only 1st cousins so their kids have a slightly better chance of not coming out mentally deranged.

The_Z_Man wrote:The media is making a big deal about Jon and Dani -- and those scenes are ok, but the two actors don't have near the chemistry and tension that Kit and Sophie do... Just look at the reunion scenes..

Not entirely fair, the two actors haven't had one scene together until now to formulate some chemistry.

I think it's fairly obvious that the writers are telegraphing the series ending with Dani and Jon together in some capacity. I mean, the entire book series is called The Song of Ice and Fire.

Bobblehead wrote:Can't figure out how meek and willow Sansa can transform into a power figure.

That's a sign of great writing, character development and acting on Sophie Turner's part. Any great movie or series you want to see characters grow and evolve.

Jon has had a similar awesome growth arc over the course of the series.

I used to hate just about every scene Sansa and Jon were in season 1 and 2, now they're arguably the most compelling and rootable characters on the entire show.

Jon was never meek, Sansa was always meek.

I must have missed something cause Sansa seemed to be a reborn leader within a episode.

Meek? No, but he spent the first 2-3 seasons pining for his wildling girl getting it on in caves and complaining about being the poor unwanted bastard who had no place in the world.

And you weren't paying attention if you think Sansa's growth as a character happened in one episode. Getting raped and then enacting revenge by setting a pack of dogs on your husband isn't the act of a meek person.

So Daenerys is finally confirmed to be the power-hungry bitch we all suspected her to be. She wants to be queen more than anything else, even if it means being queen of the ashes.

I was really starting to suspect they were making her out to be one of those female characters that acts all bitchy, just so they can point out that she technically didn't do anything bad or evil, and thus call out all the men who hate her as sexist. You know, like Skylar from Breaking Bad.

fenderbender123 wrote:So Daenerys is finally confirmed to be the power-hungry bitch we all suspected her to be. She wants to be queen more than anything else, even if it means being queen of the ashes.

I was really starting to suspect they were making her out to be one of those female characters that acts all bitchy, just so they can point out that she technically didn't do anything bad or evil, and thus call out all the men who hate her as sexist. You know, like Skylar from Breaking Bad.

If that were the case, she would never have let Jon mine the obsidian (dragonglass). I don't know anyone besides you who thought she was a 'power hungry bitch'. Does she want the Iron Throne? Of course. But you want a power hungry bitch? Look at the woman who let her children die for her so she didn't lose power.

Reading your take on Daenerys reminds me of my best friend who got me into the books. He LOVES Littlefinger. I mean, he's his favorite character by about 10 miles. My friend is not an idiot, indeed, he's one of the smartest people I know. But for the life of him, he can't understand why everyone else we know who has ever read the books hates Petyr Baelish with a smoldering passion. It is practically a mental block for him.

Amusingly, he will never forgive Jaime Lannister. He has a weird code, my friend.

Dani is forcing things trying to fulfill a prophesy, Cersie just wants a massive member between her legs to finish her transformation, she has said that she should have been born a man a few times in the series.

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fenderbender123 wrote:Cersei is more of a power hungry bitch than Daenerys. Sure. Hitler was more power hungry than Saddam Hussein. That's right, I just invoked Godwin's law. Deal with it.

My point was that I challenged your assertion that Dany would gladly be a Queen of Ashes. If that were true, she would have gone to King's Landing against Tyrion's advice instead of going after Jaime's army last episode.

Maybe I missed that...did Tyrion advise her to attack Jamie's army with her dragons? I'm also having a hard time understanding where everyone is at. It seems like everyone is just teleporting around the continent.

It seems like, to me, that Tyrion wants her to win with diplomacy, siege tactics, etc...and that he doesn't want her riding her dragons around breathing down fire on armies and stuff.

fenderbender123 wrote:Maybe I missed that...did Tyrion advise her to attack Jamie's army with her dragons? I'm also having a hard time understanding where everyone is at. It seems like everyone is just teleporting around the continent.

It seems like, to me, that Tyrion wants her to win with diplomacy, siege tactics, etc...and that he doesn't want her riding her dragons around breathing down fire on armies and stuff.

No, Tyrion advised her not to burn King's Landing to ashes after the Tyrells were defeated. She was on the verge of doing just that last episode before she attacked Jaime instead. If she wanted to be queen at all costs, she would have done that already. She can see reason, which Cersei refuses to do.

Bobblehead wrote:Can't figure out how meek and willow Sansa can transform into a power figure.

That's a sign of great writing, character development and acting on Sophie Turner's part. Any great movie or series you want to see characters grow and evolve.

Jon has had a similar awesome growth arc over the course of the series.

I used to hate just about every scene Sansa and Jon were in season 1 and 2, now they're arguably the most compelling and rootable characters on the entire show.

Jon was never meek, Sansa was always meek.

I must have missed something cause Sansa seemed to be a reborn leader within a episode.

Meek? No, but he spent the first 2-3 seasons pining for his wildling girl getting it on in caves and complaining about being the poor unwanted bastard who had no place in the world.

And you weren't paying attention if you think Sansa's growth as a character happened in one episode. Getting raped and then enacting revenge by setting a pack of dogs on your husband isn't the act of a meek person.

Yeah, well you could be right, I may not have been paying to much attention, I just noticed she's meek and then.. other. Some of those episodes just got drawn out a bit, I thought and found replying on the .Net much more fascinating.

I don't know....it just still seems like it's a "power-hungry" move. You go and torch armies to rule the land, but then you don't own those armies when you take over because you torched them. Plus, all the relatives and friends of the people in the army are going to hate you for killing them. It's ruling people by force, really. Why do you even need King's Landing to rule the rest of the continent? You don't...people can choose her as their queen just the same. Build a new castle with a throne on it.

Plus, it was heavily implied in the last episode that those who have "chosen" to serve her of their own free will, really don't have a choice. That if they tried to leave and choose someone else as their queen, that she would kill them.

And who else is aggressively seeking the throne besides Cersei and Daenerys? It's just those two, ain't it? I don't know anything, really lol.

fenderbender123 wrote:Maybe I missed that...did Tyrion advise her to attack Jamie's army with her dragons? I'm also having a hard time understanding where everyone is at. It seems like everyone is just teleporting around the continent.

It seems like, to me, that Tyrion wants her to win with diplomacy, siege tactics, etc...and that he doesn't want her riding her dragons around breathing down fire on armies and stuff.

No, Tyrion advised her not to burn King's Landing to ashes after the Tyrells were defeated. She was on the verge of doing just that last episode before she attacked Jaime instead. If she wanted to be queen at all costs, she would have done that already. She can see reason, which Cersei refuses to do.

Tyrion didn't want her to be the front man(so to speak) spear heading the army on the dragon.. as to which she seemed to find rather amusing.

fenderbender123 wrote:I don't know....it just still seems like it's a "power-hungry" move. You go and torch armies to rule the land, but then you don't own those armies when you take over because you torched them. Plus, all the relatives and friends of the people in the army are going to hate you for killing them. It's ruling people by force, really. Why do you even need King's Landing to rule the rest of the continent? You don't...people can choose her as their queen just the same. Build a new castle with a throne on it.

Plus, it was heavily implied in the last episode that those who have "chosen" to serve her of their own free will, really don't have a choice. That if they tried to leave and choose someone else as their queen, that she would kill them.

And who else is aggressively seeking the throne besides Cersei and Daenerys? It's just those two, ain't it? I don't know anything, really lol.

Plus, it was heavily implied in the last episode that those who have "chosen" to serve her of their own free will, really don't have a choice. That if they tried to leave and choose someone else as their queen, that she would kill them.

I must not have been paying attention, back in season 4.. I thought one of the most epic episodes was the "Breaker of Chain" episode, where she gets to Meereen and declares that all are free to do what they like, that her army was there, not of slavery but as willing free men..women and they were allowed to do what ever they wanted, then as an example they catapulted all the slavery harness's into the city just to show she wasn't lying. But, maybe I missed something... very possible, John

fenderbender123 wrote:Maybe I missed that...did Tyrion advise her to attack Jamie's army with her dragons? I'm also having a hard time understanding where everyone is at. It seems like everyone is just teleporting around the continent.

It seems like, to me, that Tyrion wants her to win with diplomacy, siege tactics, etc...and that he doesn't want her riding her dragons around breathing down fire on armies and stuff.

No, Tyrion advised her not to burn King's Landing to ashes after the Tyrells were defeated. She was on the verge of doing just that last episode before she attacked Jaime instead. If she wanted to be queen at all costs, she would have done that already. She can see reason, which Cersei refuses to do.

Tyrion didn't want her to be the front man(so to speak) spear heading the army on the dragon.. as to which she seemed to find rather amusing.

I looked at the quote on IMDB. Tyrion wanted her to blockade King's Landing. She was talking about pulling a Harrenhal on the Red Keep (where Cersei is), which would have potentially killed innocents and destroyed King's Landing, as that is where the Red Keep is.

Tyrion didn't want to kill the innocent in Kings Landing, The Loot train were all soldiers, big difference, also Tyrion didn't want Dani to catch a stray arrow and die leading a fight.

Really if you want to look at it Dani showed a lot of restraint, she only used 1 dragon in the fight not 3. She also burned minimal soldiers, she surrounded them in fire, yes part of the food was burnt from the train being ignited but that was to prevent them from escaping and allowing the Dorthraki to converge.

Cersie on the other hand cooked a large portion of Kings Landing in Wildfire.

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fenderbender123 wrote:I don't know....it just still seems like it's a "power-hungry" move. You go and torch armies to rule the land, but then you don't own those armies when you take over because you torched them. Plus, all the relatives and friends of the people in the army are going to hate you for killing them. It's ruling people by force, really. Why do you even need King's Landing to rule the rest of the continent? You don't...people can choose her as their queen just the same. Build a new castle with a throne on it.

Plus, it was heavily implied in the last episode that those who have "chosen" to serve her of their own free will, really don't have a choice. That if they tried to leave and choose someone else as their queen, that she would kill them.

And who else is aggressively seeking the throne besides Cersei and Daenerys? It's just those two, ain't it? I don't know anything, really lol.

No offense, but I highly suggest watching Alt Shift X's episode explanations (at least for this season) because it seems you don't truly understand the intentions of some of the characters, especially Daeny.

PS - There was no implying that Daeny would kill anyone who was serving her that decided to leave. You could see that in Missandei's almost offended reaction when Jon asks her if she truly believes that Daeny would give her a ship and wish her well on her journeys.

Bobblehead wrote:Lanister morale can't be to high anymore. I'm not sure your going to find a lot of soldiers excited about the prospects of facing 3 dragons, when one wipes out a whole Army within 5 minutes.

You're absolutely right and this sentiment actually goes back to the first episode of the season when Arya runs into the Lannister men (that included Ed Sheeran). She goes from uncomfortable and likely going to kill them, to realizing they're all just young guys who are fighting for someone else who just want to go home. The Lannister army has been at war off and on for like 5 years so I have to imagine their numbers, provisions and morale have to be lacking.

Overall I have really dug this season. Obviously the "Field of Fire" was fantastic and is up there with Hardhome as my favorite action sequences in the show. Just like when The Night King attacked Hardhome, it had more horror vibes than battle, and I think a large part of that is we're seeing so much of it from the perspective of Jaime and Bronn (the "receiving end" if you will).

Say what you will about the dialogue and writing since D&D ran out of source material to work with, but this season is coming together very nicely. The fact that we can watch something as epic as this last battle, and feel exactly like Tyrion standing there watching the inevitable death of either his leader (Daeny) or his house's men, brother and Bronn, really impresses me. Very rarely do we get something like that where we are rooting for "fire and blood," while hoping no one dies because we're invested in all of these characters. Bravo, GoT.

JGfromtheNW wrote:No offense, but I highly suggest watching Alt Shift X's episode explanations (at least for this season) because it seems you don't truly understand the intentions of some of the characters, especially Daeny.

None taken. I'm open and honest about my ignorance involving most TV shows. I blame it on falling asleep during most of the episodes. But it allows me to invent my own version of what's going on. And that's always fun.

fenderbender123 wrote:So Daenerys is finally confirmed to be the power-hungry bitch we all suspected her to be. She wants to be queen more than anything else, even if it means being queen of the ashes.

I was really starting to suspect they were making her out to be one of those female characters that acts all bitchy, just so they can point out that she technically didn't do anything bad or evil, and thus call out all the men who hate her as sexist. You know, like Skylar from Breaking Bad.

If that were the case, she would never have let Jon mine the obsidian (dragonglass). I don't know anyone besides you who thought she was a 'power hungry bitch'. Does she want the Iron Throne? Of course. But you want a power hungry bitch? Look at the woman who let her children die for her so she didn't lose power.

Reading your take on Daenerys reminds me of my best friend who got me into the books. He LOVES Littlefinger. I mean, he's his favorite character by about 10 miles. My friend is not an idiot, indeed, he's one of the smartest people I know. But for the life of him, he can't understand why everyone else we know who has ever read the books hates Petyr Baelish with a smoldering passion. It is practically a mental block for him.

Amusingly, he will never forgive Jaime Lannister. He has a weird code, my friend.

The only difference between Dani and Cersei is the fact Dani will listen to her advisers and Cersei surrounds herself with people who tell her what she wants to hear.

Dani let Jon mine the glass only after Tyrion convinced her to, and only (presumably) after Jon bent the knee to her. Jon's quest doesn't mean anything to her, but other than him not swearing fealty to her, he isn't a threat either. He's focused on elsewhere and has no southern aspirations, and she knows that. So what if she lets him have a bunch of rocks to take back home? Doesn't get in the way of her quest for the throne one bit. She's still completely power hungry, and nothing she's done with or for Jon changes that.

As far as this season goes, it's not my favorite by any means, but it is entertaining. Things are finally coming together. But it feels a bit rushed. Especially the episode before Dani's battle with the Lannisters. That one was terribly rushed. We've seen entire episodes devoted to battles before, and that one basically wrapped up two big ones in a few moments at the end of it, like, "oh, by the way, these battles had to happen so we can get on with the other parts of the story." Rushed. Other than that, it's getting interesting.

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fenderbender123 wrote:So Daenerys is finally confirmed to be the power-hungry bitch we all suspected her to be. She wants to be queen more than anything else, even if it means being queen of the ashes.

I was really starting to suspect they were making her out to be one of those female characters that acts all bitchy, just so they can point out that she technically didn't do anything bad or evil, and thus call out all the men who hate her as sexist. You know, like Skylar from Breaking Bad.

If that were the case, she would never have let Jon mine the obsidian (dragonglass). I don't know anyone besides you who thought she was a 'power hungry bitch'. Does she want the Iron Throne? Of course. But you want a power hungry bitch? Look at the woman who let her children die for her so she didn't lose power.

Reading your take on Daenerys reminds me of my best friend who got me into the books. He LOVES Littlefinger. I mean, he's his favorite character by about 10 miles. My friend is not an idiot, indeed, he's one of the smartest people I know. But for the life of him, he can't understand why everyone else we know who has ever read the books hates Petyr Baelish with a smoldering passion. It is practically a mental block for him.

Amusingly, he will never forgive Jaime Lannister. He has a weird code, my friend.

The only difference between Dani and Cersei is the fact Dani will listen to her advisers and Cersei surrounds herself with people who tell her what she wants to hear.

Dani let Jon mine the glass only after Tyrion convinced her to, and only (presumably) after Jon bent the knee to her. Jon's quest doesn't mean anything to her, but other than him not swearing fealty to her, he isn't a threat either. He's focused on elsewhere and has no southern aspirations, and she knows that. So what if she lets him have a bunch of rocks to take back home? Doesn't get in the way of her quest for the throne one bit. She's still completely power hungry, and nothing she's done with or for Jon changes that.

As far as this season goes, it's not my favorite by any means, but it is entertaining. Things are finally coming together. But it feels a bit rushed. Especially the episode before Dani's battle with the Lannisters. That one was terribly rushed. We've seen entire episodes devoted to battles before, and that one basically wrapped up two big ones in a few moments at the end of it, like, "oh, by the way, these battles had to happen so we can get on with the other parts of the story." Rushed. Other than that, it's getting interesting.

Not correct. After Jon had been given the okay to mine the glass he was having a conversation with Daenerys where she said she would provide troops to help fight the White Walkers if he bent the knee. So bending the knee wasn't a requirement for mining the glass.

fenderbender123 wrote:So is Jamie dead? I don't see how he can make it back to surface with all that heavy armor on...I'm sure they won't kill him yet, though.

Well I have an issue with that drowning scene. They were galloping on the edge of the lake, yet when Bronn pushed him off his horse, all of a sudden, they were submerging like the opening scenes of Vikings.. down and down they went..

I"m not sure about the power similarities of the two queens, one queen just wants to reign, the other, the dragon queen seems to want her place back where she feels it was taken unjustly from her family. She doesn't seem to have any hatred to those that were not a part of the king's slayers allies.

JustTheTip wrote:Not correct. After Jon had been given the okay to mine the glass he was having a conversation with Daenerys where she said she would provide troops to help fight the White Walkers if he bent the knee. So bending the knee wasn't a requirement for mining the glass.

Aw yeah, you're right--bending the knee was for troops (a far more selfless act) than letting him have the glass. The glass was nothing, though, and she still had to have Tyrion convince her. Bottom line is she's still pretty power hungry.

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