Illinois has a guns in trunk law: firearms unloaded and cased; store ammunition in a separate, closed container; transport in an inaccessible location within the vehicle. That means the trunk if you have one.

edmo:Cute name but other than that, what does it have to do with trunks?

Illinois has a guns in trunk law: firearms unloaded and cased; store ammunition in a separate, closed container; transport in an inaccessible location within the vehicle. That means the trunk if you have one.

We could say Illinois has concealed carry.

Not really. I could say bats fly out of my ass but that doesn't make it true.

edmo:Cute name but other than that, what does it have to do with trunks?

Illinois has a guns in trunk law: firearms unloaded and cased; store ammunition in a separate, closed container; transport in an inaccessible location within the vehicle. That means the trunk if you have one.

We could say Illinois has concealed carry.

I thought that was this article was going to be about e.g clip in glove compartment and gun in trunk/I might be a minority minority here that thinks open carry is better

Well, gee I did just that and other than "guns-in-trunks" being in the text four times, there's still no discussion of what part trunks play in this. Perhaps you have special reading powers the rest of us don't?

The latest fun thing that people are pushing in Tennessee is allowing EMTs, Firefighters, and Paramedics to carry pistols and concealed firearms in the line of conducting their duties.

You know. Acting as agents of the Government. Without Law Enforcement training. Or the "protections" typically associated with Law Enforcement commissions.

This can only end well.

Thisbymaster:Wait before how did you transport guns? You have to walk them everywhere?

Before the law was passed, an employer could arbitrarily terminate you if they found out you had a gun on their premises, regardless if it was loaded or stored safely in a locked vehicle. I really don't see a problem with it.

edmo:Well, gee I did just that and other than "guns-in-trunks" being in the text four times, there's still no discussion of what part trunks play in this. Perhaps you have special reading powers the rest of us don't?

Before the law was passed, any Tennessee employer could fire an employee if they found out they kept a firearm, legally, secured in a vehicle on their premises, regardless if it met the criteria of a "Gun Free Zone" according to federal law.

hardinparamedic:The latest fun thing that people are pushing in Tennessee is allowing EMTs, Firefighters, and Paramedics to carry pistols and concealed firearms in the line of conducting their duties.

You know. Acting as agents of the Government. Without Law Enforcement training. Or the "protections" typically associated with Law Enforcement commissions.

This can only end well.

Thisbymaster: Wait before how did you transport guns? You have to walk them everywhere?

Before the law was passed, an employer could arbitrarily terminate you if they found out you had a gun on their premises, regardless if it was loaded or stored safely in a locked vehicle. I really don't see a problem with it.

They are being trained by Homeland Security as well. If you see something, say something.

badhatharry:They are being trained by Homeland Security as well. If you see something, say something.

OH NO.

That's the beauty of it.

They want Paramedics to be able to be armed using the CCW standards Tennessee has. 8 hours of class and 50 rounds on range. There's no "training" involved in it!

Although, you do have a point, but I'd also point out that Homeland Security absorbing FEMA and the USFA was the best thing to happen to Emergency Services in the United States since the 1970s. Despite the abuse of grant money by some departments, they're the only reason that many rural volunteer departments have equipment that was manufactured in the last decade.

drjekel_mrhyde:/I might be a minority minority here that thinks open carry is better

I live in California where a open carry is against the law, but you can get a CCW. I have a CCW and I'd prefer open carry be permitted here for people who can pass the HSC test (handgun safety certificate - you need one to legally have a handgun) but NOT pass the CCW test. I want to know which dumbfarks patriots exercising their second amendment rights to keep an eye on. The HSC is so incredibly easy if someone fails that, they should not be allowed any firearms, period.

tinyarena:I much prefer the "guns in church" law:[www.personaldefenseworld.com image 400x220]"umm,,good news y'all, I just heard from Jesus, and you are all SAVED!"

Thisbymaster:Wait before how did you transport guns? You have to walk them everywhere?

Its more a law designed to prevent people from declaring authority over what is inside your car on their property. Basically a protection of individual property rights to your vehicle. In essence it is saying "You are allowed to prevent vehicles from entering your property, but you cannot demand that those vehicles not contain firearms, provided that the vehicle is locked.

Personally I wish the law covered everything, basically extend it to say your vehicle is a little bubble of your home, if its legal to put in a vehicle no one should be able to say you can't do that even if it is their parking lot. Defining a line between the two property rights.

That still allows for protections from someone having a car full of propane (illegal beyond a certain amount) but also prevents busybody rich assholes from imposing their morality on you just because they own all the grocery stores in the area and decided to ban alcohol even in car trunks.

Real Women Drink Akvavit:I live in California where a open carry is against the law, but you can get a CCW. I have a CCW and I'd prefer open carry be permitted here for people who can pass the HSC test (handgun safety certificate - you need one to legally have a handgun) but NOT pass the CCW test. I want to know which dumbfarks patriots exercising their second amendment rights to keep an eye on. The HSC is so incredibly easy if someone fails that, they should not be allowed any firearms, period.

Um, I've seen questions from the CCW test. If you CAN'T pass it, you have no business handling a hangun around anyone and outside of an armored room without being an organ donor.

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion:badhatharry: This steps on private property rights. You have the right to prohibit guns on your own property. By a variety of regulations, business owners no longer own their own property.

Do I not have private property rights of of own in my vehicle?

Sure, in most states it is an extension of your home. The difference with your car is that you have to respect other property owners when you drive on their property.

I see. So a Constitutional Amendment, meant to protect citizens from intrusions by the government, is now being used to trump private property rights and contracts between private citizens.Only in the modern pants-on-head crazy GOP I guess.

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion:badhatharry: This steps on private property rights. You have the right to prohibit guns on your own property. By a variety of regulations, business owners no longer own their own property.

Do I not have private property rights of of own in my vehicle?

Haha you're funny. You realize that in some places in America (usually places in nutty California) it's illegal to smoke in your own car or even your own home.

Walker:Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: badhatharry: This steps on private property rights. You have the right to prohibit guns on your own property. By a variety of regulations, business owners no longer own their own property.

Do I not have private property rights of of own in my vehicle?

Haha you're funny. You realize that in some places in America (usually places in nutty California) it's illegal to smoke in your own car or even your own home.

Jon iz teh kewl:Walker: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: badhatharry: This steps on private property rights. You have the right to prohibit guns on your own property. By a variety of regulations, business owners no longer own their own property.

Do I not have private property rights of of own in my vehicle?

Haha you're funny. You realize that in some places in America (usually places in nutty California) it's illegal to smoke in your own car or even your own home.

why would you want to. when you can eat marijuana jolly ranchers

yes, because regular people want to be high all farking day. smoking wears off after a normal time, eating is a dang commitment.

The measure removes criminal penalties for bringing a gun onto private property, but it is unclear whether businesses could continue to set policies banning firearms.

The bill's House sponsor, state Rep. Jeremy Faison, R-Cosby, said nothing in the measure prevents business owners from firing employees who bring guns to work. But Ramsey, the measure's sponsor in the Senate, has cited other Tennessee laws that suggest the opposite.

It also is unclear whether schools and universities could ban firearms.