]]>By: brooklynboy48http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2014/01/02/the-case-for-craig-biggio-for-the-hall-of-fame-is-compelling/comment-page-2/#comment-634800
Fri, 03 Jan 2014 03:49:10 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=508007#comment-634800Mcgriff played clean during the PED era, hit 495 hr’s and was totally overlooked. MacGuire, Sosa et al are to blame. Mcgriff and Tim Raines should be in as well as Jack Morris. Screw sabermetrics.
]]>By: jeffa43http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2014/01/02/the-case-for-craig-biggio-for-the-hall-of-fame-is-compelling/#comment-634791
Fri, 03 Jan 2014 03:23:08 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=508007#comment-634791You do realize he had more doubles than any right handed hitter ……. in HISTORY!!!!

Oh, and that 3000 hit thing.

If you don’t think Craig is deserving, you show your baseball ignorance is hall of fame worthy.

]]>By: davidbrentfanhttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2014/01/02/the-case-for-craig-biggio-for-the-hall-of-fame-is-compelling/#comment-634772
Fri, 03 Jan 2014 02:58:04 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=508007#comment-634772F U C K YOU, B A S T A R D S!
]]>By: genericcommenterhttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2014/01/02/the-case-for-craig-biggio-for-the-hall-of-fame-is-compelling/#comment-634759
Fri, 03 Jan 2014 02:26:23 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=508007#comment-634759Mussina and Schilling are closer to the top tier of candidates than McGriff or Morris. In fact, going by JAWS they are well above Biggio, too. Biggio’s Hall Worthy, but he’s like 14th most worthy on the ballot (There are more than 10 HOF caliber guys on there). Morris isn’t even really in the discussion. His teammate on the ballot is a much worthier candidate, actually.

Plus, Megan Fox is far from a universal symbol of hotness. She was a trendy, media-inspired one, for sure. She was even on a network sitcom for several years and posed in magazines before I heard anyone mention her in mainstream discussion. She was like a random Maxim model or any attractive youngish actress.

]]>By: braxtonrobhttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2014/01/02/the-case-for-craig-biggio-for-the-hall-of-fame-is-compelling/#comment-634752
Fri, 03 Jan 2014 02:12:37 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=508007#comment-634752@paperlions, Beautifully summarized!! Bravo!
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Fri, 03 Jan 2014 02:04:36 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=508007#comment-634749@hojo20, Oh, but Howard Johnson I suppose deserves the honor, huh.
]]>By: Glennhttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2014/01/02/the-case-for-craig-biggio-for-the-hall-of-fame-is-compelling/#comment-634745
Fri, 03 Jan 2014 01:54:39 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=508007#comment-634745Any knowledgeable baseball fan and reader of Bill James knows that Craig Biggio should be a HOF lock. Shouldn’t we all recognize the little things that add up to team wins by now?
]]>By: bmh9500http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2014/01/02/the-case-for-craig-biggio-for-the-hall-of-fame-is-compelling/#comment-634713
Fri, 03 Jan 2014 00:19:09 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=508007#comment-634713and yet…
]]>By: largebillhttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2014/01/02/the-case-for-craig-biggio-for-the-hall-of-fame-is-compelling/#comment-634665
Thu, 02 Jan 2014 22:38:12 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=508007#comment-634665Yes, I watched the video. I was kidding.
]]>By: scoutsaysweitersisabusthttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2014/01/02/the-case-for-craig-biggio-for-the-hall-of-fame-is-compelling/#comment-634518
Thu, 02 Jan 2014 19:14:46 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=508007#comment-634518According to unnamed sources (That I’m totally not making up) Craig Biggio signed a deal with the devil back in 1872 that would allow him to come back in another life, illegally use steroids, and compile useless stats like hits and homeruns. This deal with the devil allowed him to become the leagues’ best cheater for many years, but he wasn’t a gamer, or a winner as he played in a football town and played a position that no one cares about. (Second base? More like first bench am I right?) Also, he was popular with computer stat nerds who get beat-up by their older brothers while in their mom’s basement covered in Cheetos and Jolt Cola. Also, he once spit on the face of a good natured, hardworking baseball reporter who does his job incredibly well, in spite of those computer types always trying to bring him down and totally never writes colums to fill space or to generate public buzz in a self serving manner. Don’t you know only the votes by people who work with a pencil count? The ones who vote on things like their gut and the people who pass the eye test? Besides, math is hard.
]]>By: Kevin S.http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2014/01/02/the-case-for-craig-biggio-for-the-hall-of-fame-is-compelling/#comment-634474
Thu, 02 Jan 2014 17:31:47 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=508007#comment-634474Bad enough that we have to tiptoe around people’s baseless beliefs when it comes to deities. Now we have to do it for steroids too?
]]>By: anxovieshttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2014/01/02/the-case-for-craig-biggio-for-the-hall-of-fame-is-compelling/#comment-634458
Thu, 02 Jan 2014 17:00:28 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=508007#comment-634458paperlions: I was going to say that Biggio was the third-best leadoff hitter behind Gwynn and Ricky Henderson but then I looked at the stats. Surprising.
]]>By: cohnjusackhttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2014/01/02/the-case-for-craig-biggio-for-the-hall-of-fame-is-compelling/#comment-634455
Thu, 02 Jan 2014 16:56:29 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=508007#comment-634455Ahhh, ottercardinals word. Where 2nd baseman with power, 3000 hits and great speed are so common that their HOF candidacy’s are “borderline”.

And please, how if Biggio any more of a “PED possibility” than Maddux, Glavine, Thomas, etc?

]]>By: cohnjusackhttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2014/01/02/the-case-for-craig-biggio-for-the-hall-of-fame-is-compelling/#comment-634454
Thu, 02 Jan 2014 16:54:05 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=508007#comment-634454Eclipse is a strong word, isn’t it? He hit 26 home runs, which was the 7th time he stopped 20.
]]>By: sabatimushttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2014/01/02/the-case-for-craig-biggio-for-the-hall-of-fame-is-compelling/#comment-634451
Thu, 02 Jan 2014 16:50:19 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=508007#comment-634451Murray is that you?
]]>By: anxovieshttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2014/01/02/the-case-for-craig-biggio-for-the-hall-of-fame-is-compelling/#comment-634448
Thu, 02 Jan 2014 16:45:37 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=508007#comment-634448dondada’s caustic reply had potential but used too many long words.
]]>By: paperlionshttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2014/01/02/the-case-for-craig-biggio-for-the-hall-of-fame-is-compelling/#comment-634440
Thu, 02 Jan 2014 16:29:57 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=508007#comment-634440At some point, instead of just giving it lip service, people need to really realize that defense and positional value are important. In general, it seems like the players that people consider “no doubt” HOFers are those that hit or hit for power and did little else well (or did it poorly), pitchers that were durable, and once-in-a-lifetime talents. There are far more guys that are worthy of recognition that those narrow definitions.

Biggio is one of the 10 best 2B of all time. Does anyone really think that fewer than 10 2B should be in the HOF?

Bagwell is one of the 10 best 1B of all time (he’s got a legitimate argument for top 5).

Piazza is the best hitting catcher of all-time and was fine (average-ish) defensively.

Trammel was easily a to 15 SS all-time and perhaps top 10 as he spent nearly his entire career at the position whereas many others spent 1/2 their career at a different position.

Schiling has the highest k/BB ratio of any pitcher in the history of baseball (1000 IP limit).

Time Raines was the 2nd best lead off hitter of all-time. He reached base more times than Tony Gwynn.

The current HOF ballot is chock full of guys that were fantastic players, all-time talents at a time when baseball is better than it has ever been….but people can’t be bothered to notice and still evaluate HOF candidacy as it HR, and pitcher wins are all that mattered. There are at least 18 guys on the HOF ballot that would easily be among the best 50% of the players in the HOF, and we’ll be lucky if 4 are elected…and one of them may be the worst selection ever by the writers (the veterans committee has made dozens of dubious choices).