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in the 3G SAF we don't need the CEV to have a demolition gun, we can call for bunker busters from our friendly RSAF

This post has been edited by xtemujin on May 30 2012, 06:19 PM

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Individual skill is another important factor, argues Professor Bernard Loo, a defence analyst at the S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies. “A half-past-six weapon in the hands of a skilled operator is better than a top-notch weapon in the hands of a half-trained monkey,” he says.

in the 3G SAF we don't need the CEV to have a demolition gun, we can call for bunker busters from our friendly RSAF

Not all planes in RSAF is built to do pure CAS and do not carry bunker busters all the time, anyway our bunker busters should be kept at Guam airbase by USAF,right? It is easier and faster to have a demolition gun and crave a share into the Leopard 2 family.

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WE LIVE IN INTERESTING TIMES WHERE DANGER IS ALWAYS AROUND THE CORNER !!!

Based on what I read of the Revolution, I wouldn't say that it is more advanced than the L2SG, the composite armour is more or less the same, just that the Revolution package includes the remote weapons system and the recon sensor system.

TNI's Leopard 2 Revolution's 60 tonnes weight is a bridge breaker for many new or old bridges in Indonesia.

Leopard 2 Revolution accepts the longer Rheinmetall 120 mm L55 smoothbore gun more easily (mount/updated/fire) unlike the older Leopard 2A4s which cannot do that without a major overhaul of the gun system.

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WE LIVE IN INTERESTING TIMES WHERE DANGER IS ALWAYS AROUND THE CORNER !!!

How do you really compare when the majority of the upgrades for the Leo 2SG are internal and overseen by DSTA/DSO? In fact, the Leo 2SG went without its deluxe armour in Exercise Matilda 2012 and looked hardly different from the original 2A4. There are tanks and then some.

Exercise mean really wayang, do not carry too much weight, drink more water and do not endanger others!

The shipping bill for Leo 2SG and a original Leo 2A4 is very different in $$$. More weight on Leo 2 means more diesel burned on exercise too! SAF is going green but they scare to let whole world know about it!

This post has been edited by homing on Nov 14 2012, 08:52 PM

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WE LIVE IN INTERESTING TIMES WHERE DANGER IS ALWAYS AROUND THE CORNER !!!

One-up, two-up, echelon left, echelon right and bounding-over-watch. These are fighting formations that the 48th Battalion, Singapore Armoured Regiment (48 SAR) has executed with Leopard 2SG Main Battle Tanks (MBTs) at Exercise Panzer Strike in Germany.

Held on the undulating plains of Bergen-NATO training area - whose live-firing ranges provide three times the maximum firing distance of ranges in Singapore - the armour troopers' progressive training will conclude with a company live-firing exercise involving 13 Leopard 2SG MBTs operating together and providing fire support for one another.

The fifth in the series since it started in 2009, Exercise Panzer Strike is being held from 8 Apr to 21 May this year. "Panzer" is German for armour.

From this year, the Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) will be able to train in Germany twice a year as part of a recent agreement between Singapore and Germany.

During his introductory visit to Germany from 22 to 24 Apr, Minister for Defence Dr Ng Eng Hen met with his counterpart Dr Thomas de Maizière in Berlin. Both parties reaffirmed the warm and growing bilateral relations between Singapore and Germany, and expressed commitment to further strengthen and expand bilateral defence cooperation. Dr Ng also conveyed Singapore's appreciation of the German government's support for the SAF's armour training in Germany.

Singapore and Germany signed a Defence Cooperation Agreement in September 2005 to formalise their defence interactions. Both countries interact regularly in a range of defence interactions, such as visits, military exchanges, professional courses, policy dialogues and technology collaboration. Dr de Maizière will also be participating in this year's Shangri-La Dialogue, which will be held in June in Singapore.

As part of his visit to Germany, Dr Ng will visit the SAF troops at Exercise Panzer Strike later today.

For 48 SAR's 2nd Company, this annual exercise is an important milestone in ensuring that they are ready to perform operational duties, said the battalion's commanding officer Major (MAJ) Lim Han Yong. "In Singapore, 800m is the maximum range at which we can engage the targets. Over here, we can engage targets that are as far as 2,500m away."

Another benefit of the large training area in Germany is being able to have moving tanks fire at moving targets, a configuration that is not possible in Singapore because of space limitations. "This enhances the realism (of the exercise) and the training competencies of our crewmen," added MAJ Lim.

Another highlight of training there is the opportunity to fire the 120mm live round from the Leopard 2SG MBT. Lance Corporal (LCP) Chad Augustin, who is in charge of loading these rounds, described his experience as "fantastic".

Speaking with a newfound confidence after having successfully completed several platoon-level live-firing exercises on the Leopard 2SG MBT as part of a four-man crew, the 19-year-old noted: "Training in Singapore is about honing your drills whereas here, it's about experiencing the live-firing. If you'd asked me just two weeks ago, I'd probably tell you I'll never make it (as a loader). But now, I feel like I can do anything."

Master Warrant Officer (MWO) Lim Siang Yam, Wing Commander of the School of Armour's Specialist Training Wing, was also at Exercise Panzer Strike with 158 Armour Infantry (AI) instructors and trainees, a large majority of whom had just graduated from the 05/12 Specialist Cadet Course.

This is the first time AI troopers are at Exercise Panzer Strike, and the three-week live-firing exercise in Germany will cap off their training as specialists in the armour formation.

Back home, AI troopers practise their skills on the Armour Gunnery Training Simulator. While the simulator helps the troopers sharpen their gunnery skills, MWO Lim pointed out that it required a lot more to accurately take down both stationary and moving targets during a live-firing exercise.

"The fatigue level and mental stress is very different as they have a lot more preparation prior to the live-firing," said the 48-year-old.

AI trainee 3SG Jeevan S/O Mahendran said that after his live-firing exercise, he was more confident of the voice procedures when operating the BIONIX Infantry Fighting Vehicle (IFV) as well as of the different roles that being a vehicle commander, a gunner and a trooper entailed. "I feel more confident to take care of and lead my men in the future."

Ensuring all systems go

Having participated in Exercise Wallaby, an annual overseas training exercise held in Queensland, Australia, last year, Corporal (CPL) Vignesh S/O Unnikrishnan has experienced the rigour of ensuring that the SAF's armoured vehicles are safe and ready for the troops' live-firing exercises.

At Exercise Panzer Strike this year, the workload is no less intense. As part of a 12-man maintenance team from the 1st Army Maintenance Base, CPL Vignesh's job is to make sure that the Leopard 2SG MBTs are defect-free.

The 20-year-old turret mechanic, who was trained at the SAF's Ordnance Engineering Technical Institute, and his teammates are the people to turn to if there is a vehicle defect.

As much as it was the tankees' (colloquial term for those trained to operate tanks) first time in firing 120mm live rounds, it was also the first time that CPL Vignesh was dealing with the post-firing maintenance.

Whenever a problem baffled him, he would relate it to what he had encountered in Singapore to see if there were any similarities. He also relied on the servicing and maintenance checklist to get the information he needed to correct the defect.

"The main priority is for (the tankees) to complete the firing. So whatever we can do to help them in the process, we will do it. For example, if two tanks can't be used, I'll see if maybe I can take the component from one tank and use it on the other so that at least one more tank is working," he said.

Individual skill is another important factor, argues Professor Bernard Loo, a defence analyst at the S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies. “A half-past-six weapon in the hands of a skilled operator is better than a top-notch weapon in the hands of a half-trained monkey,” he says.