<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>You said "in the way that he uses Jesus." Jesus is a specific religious figure, Sean, that you called out by name. You didn't say God and you didn't say the Lord.<p><hr></blockquote><p>matt, forgive me for being less christian than you, but i urge you to read through this topic and you'll find that i equate 'jesus' with christianity. the specific image that yoyo displayed uses jesus, but the message is clearly against dubya's use of his religion since jesus is at the core of his religion. this is what makes the poster funny b/c it does nothing to mock the religious figure who is presented as a something quite good and everything to mock dubya and how he uses his political machine.<br><br><br>--<br>one of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. -Plato

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>matt, forgive me for being less christian than you<p><hr></blockquote><p>I never said you were less Christian that I am. Stop making inflamatory remarks, Sean. You specifically said "In the way he uses Jesus. All I'm asking you to do is point out where President Bush uses, specifically, Jesus. <br><br>****************<br><br>[color:blue]VOTE</font color=blue>[color:red] for President George W. Bush on November 2, 2004</font color=red>

i also specifically said that, "i equate 'jesus' with christianity." <br><br>i'll refer you to the hundreds and hundreds of religious references on the whitehouse.gov website. there are even many jesus ones there, matt, but again, jesus = christianity. if it means that much to you, i'll say i was mistaken for making this assumption and thinking it was common knowledge (thus, my forgiveness for being less christian than you, which was not meant to be inflammatory; rather, it was trying to make the point that i could be mistaken in assuming that jesus is a symbol of christianity) and say that i should have used the word christianity or religion even thought the poster contains a picture of jesus to make fun of a self identified christian.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>JESUS -- That Jesus, as the only-begotten Son of God, actually claimed to be God, equal with the Father, is clear from numerous Scriptures. For example, He said:<br><br>"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty" (Revelation 1:8).<p><hr></blockquote><p><a href="http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-t002.html">christian answers website</a><br><br><br>--<br>one of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. -Plato

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>i'll refer you to the hundreds and hundreds of religious references on the whitehouse.gov website. there are even many jesus ones there, matt<p><hr></blockquote><p>Sean:<br><br>1). I don't need a condescending lecture from you on who Jesus is.<br><br>2). You said: <br><br><blockquote>"it mocks dubya for the way he uses jesus."</blockquote><br><br>You didn't say:<br><br><blockquote>"it mocks dubya for the way he uses religion."<br>"it mocks dubya for the way he uses Christianity."<br>"it mocks dubya for the way he uses the Lord."<br>"it mocks dubya for the way he uses God."<br>"it mocks dubya for the way he uses his faith."</blockquote><br><br><br>3). I'm asking you, show me how "dubya uses Jesus", Sean. <br><br>****************<br><br>[color:blue]VOTE</font color=blue>[color:red] for President George W. Bush on November 2, 2004</font color=red>

clearly, you do need a lecture because you take a post out of context of my entire body of posts in this topic. here's my first post on this topic: <a href="http://www.macminute.com/cgi-bin/wwwthreads/showthreaded.pl?Cat=&Board=politics&Number=195863&page=0&view=expanded&sb=5&o=0&vc=1">link</a> -- obviously, i am using religion in a broader context since i am taking the posts above to imply jesus, lord, and god (those were terms i thought i could use to get at the religious nature of this administration and how they use their religion, which is christianity). you are the person who keeps trying to turn it to jesus apart from christianity. like i said, i probably slipped up for saying jesus when i was referring to religion and christianity, more specifically, but i had no idea that you would be so adamant about separating the two when i think one stands for the other. but, that's also why i've qualified it a few different times for you. i'll kindly provide links to those posts as well if you think it would help. <br><br><br>--<br>one of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. -Plato

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>clearly, you do need a lecture because you take a post out of context of my entire body of posts in this topic.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Clearly, Sean, I am only taking you at your word:<br><br><blockquote>it doesn't mock jesus; it mocks dubya for the way he uses jesus</blockquote> <br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>here's my first post on this topic: link<p><hr></blockquote><p>Incorrect. Here is your first post on this topic. The post your referencing doesn't come until later, nearly three hours later. <br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>obviously, i am using religion in a broader context since i am taking the posts above to imply jesus, lord, and god (those were terms i thought i could use to get at the religious nature of this administration and how they use their religion, which is christianity).<p><hr></blockquote><p>Sean, you're doing a soft shoe here. Again, you didn't say it mocks the way "dubya uses religion, God, his faith, the Lord" etc, in that "broader context" sort of way. You said "Jesus," who is a very specific, religious figure in Christianity. Your backpeddling is hilarious.<br><br>So show me exactly where "dubya uses Jesus" as you've accused him of doing. <br><br>****************<br><br>[color:blue]VOTE</font color=blue>[color:red] for President George W. Bush on November 2, 2004</font color=red>

i think you're avoiding the issue.<br><br>dubya may use Jesus (noun), but i am not going to look for any examples because it's not the point i was trying to make and i've told you that repeatedly. again (said in multiple posts now) i should have said religion or christianity instead. every post after that initial post has implied and/or made clear this is what i meant. why is this so hard for you to hear (read)?<br><br>i can clearly see where you're coming from and i've tried to address it and i've even tried to backtrack . . . certainly not in what i meant, but in how it should be interpreted by you. i was trying to reach out and help you with your perceptions, but you appear to be unable to listen. this is unfortunate.<br><br><br>--<br>one of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. -Plato

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>i think you're avoiding the issue.<p><hr></blockquote><p>I'm not avoiding anything. I'm not, however, letting you reframe the issue that you and I are discussing. I'm asking you to back up your own words. Not redefine what you "really said". <br><br>So are you going to continue to avoid and evade, or will you back up your charge and show me examples of how "dubya uses Jesus"? <br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>i was trying to reach out and help you with your perceptions<p><hr></blockquote><p>That's a total load from you Sean. My perceptions are fine, I'm taking you for your words: "it mocks dubya for the way he uses jesus."<br><br>Show me in what way "dubya uses Jesus"<br><br>****************<br><br>[color:blue]VOTE</font color=blue>[color:red] for President George W. Bush on November 2, 2004</font color=red>

after my initial post, you did not go on the attack over my words -- you merely claimed not have heard any examples yourself (or something like that). my very first response to that post was the one i linked a few posts ago and that's the post where i displayed what i meant by "jesus" as i linked to jesus, lord, and god in my searches in the response to you. you responded to that post in a way that didn't call into question my use of jesus ("I like this first Google hit from the your "Lord" expose link"). it wasn't until a few posts later that you returned to my initial post and interpreted it in a literal manner, which was not supported by any other post i've made on this topic. can you find any other posts where i've said that i meant jesus as the character as opposed jesus as the symbol for christianity? find one post matt and i'll kindly admit i was wrong. it's that easy.<br><br>i apologize if you feel that you can only accept a literal interpretation of my words to save face. that's unfortunate.<br><br><br>--<br>one of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. -Plato

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>i apologize if you feel that you can only accept a literal interpretation of my words to save face. that's unfortunate.<p><hr></blockquote><p>What's really unfortunate is that I've asked you to simply back up your accusation by demonstrating in what way "dubya uses Jesus." Again, you didn't say "dubya uses God" or "dubya uses the Lord" or "dubya uses his faith", you specifically pointed out Jesus.<br><br>So let's have it Sean. You made the charge, now back it up. Point it out. <br><br>****************<br><br>[color:blue]VOTE</font color=blue>[color:red] for President George W. Bush on November 2, 2004</font color=red>

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