When counter ribbing, I use my dubbing needle to push the hackle out of the way when the wrap goes to the bottom of the fly. This is so the hackle does get trapped under the counter rib. The combination of the use of the dubbing needle and pushing the hackle out of the way allows the hackle to not get trapped. And it would be helpful to have a third hand at this point! <bg> This fly, regardless of how it is dressed, is very effective!