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Well, I suggest that you consider that even though I have not called myself a republican since about mid-way through Shrub's second term, I still consider myself a Reagan conservative AND I have never, not once, voted against how the NRA would vote on ANY gun issue.

But I'm prepared to do so now. That should tell you something but clearly has not rung a bell with any of you.

If we were to ban to tools used to commit crimes without addressing the root causes of the crimes being committed, then we'll leave a criminal class to look for new tools with which to commit their crimes.

Which is why the movement is towards a comprehensive solution which includes but is not limited to an examination of weapons.

If, however, we stop and think logically about the problem of "gun" violence, we come to realize that it isn't a GUN problem, but a VIOLENCE problem. Guns are simply handy tools with which to commit violence.

Which elegantly argues that part of the solution is to limit the availablity of these weapons.

SO, let's do the difficult thing rather than the easy thing, and look to the root causes of the VIOLENCE problem and find ways to resolve them rather than ignoring the root cause.

I believe the seriousl proposals include a scrutiny of root causes. One of those root causes is the availabilty of weapons used in mass-shootings.

I'm not saying they did. However they are the weapon of choice for mass-shootings. As such, the availabilty of these weapons (AR=15 and like) must be considered as part of a solution to mass-shootings.

I'm not saying they did. However they are the weapon of choice for mass-shootings. As such, the availabilty of these weapons (AR=15 and like) must be considered as part of a solution to mass-shootings.

Originally Posted by geerair

I believe the seriousl proposals include a scrutiny of root causes. One of those root causes is the availabilty of weapons used in mass-shootings.

The proposed gun laws are an attempt by honest citizens to effect change to help solve a problem. I certainly respect their view. However it is much like the stampede that lead up to prohibition.They are ill informed and most have no idea of the consequences.

The proposed laws are not so simple. The ban on "Assault weapons" would make millions of legal guns illegal and subject to be registered. What do you do with the legal high capacity magazine clips, that just become illegal? You confiscate them! The deputy director of the National Institute for Justice--DOJ's research andevaluation agency--said that the proposals before Congress are unlikely to have an effect unless they are made even more draconian. For instance, the document makes clear that the effectiveness of "universal" background checks"depends on requiring gun registration." On the topic of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition, NIJ writes, "In order to have an impact, large capacity magazine regulation needs to sharply curtail availability to include restrictions on importation, manufacture, sale, and possession." As for popular semi-automatic firearms, the NIJ notes,"Since assault weapons are not a major contributor to U.S. gun homicideand the existing stock of guns is large, an assault weapons ban is unlikely to have an impact on gun violence. If coupled with a gun buyback and no exemptionsthen it could be effective."

I think it is pretty clear where this is headed. All good intentioned but misguided just the same.

There is however the possibility that reduced availabilty as part of a comprehensive package will make it more difficult to accomplish a mass-shooting or reduce the number of victims or prevent a mass-shooting.

There is however the possibility that reduced availabilty as part of a comprehensive package will make it more difficult to accomplish a mass-shooting or reduce the number of victims or prevent a mass-shooting.

Given all of the laws being broken during a mass shooting, it is completely illogical to believe this.

Reduction in availability would only happen if confiscation were done, and many of those who currently support this legislation would turn around on it if confiscation were a part of it.