calamba actually exists, a city in the philipines. when you google for it, they show a little map snippet. i find the area above "calamba" interesting. "Mabuhay City Phase II". i thought cities had such names only in movies ;-)

xiangfu: what do you think about kicking out fbgs and ghostscript from rootfs and build them as packages? nupdf is much better than "poor man's" fbgs and ghostscript was only ported, to tell the truth, as a dependency of fbgs.

wolfspraul: yeah, it's good. But it's size is 25 Mb after installation. Having it by default in rootfs is overwhelming. We still provide it as a individual package, so won't be a problem for someone who's interested to install it.

my vote for a package-centric approach. you can always introduce "known points of stability" by selecting a snapshot (and, when that snapshot has problems, arrange your work such that they get fixed before more items in the snapshot get broken - not too different from how you work on a "one big piece of everything" system)

(php) hmm, a language almost exclusively used for web servers (at least i've never heard it mentioned in any other context) ... "important' on the ben ? not that it wouldn't be nice to have, just in case, but it seems like quite the niche. okay, like forth ;-)

it won't be too long. the last days i've been cutting and etching boards. realized that the latest atben layout change squeezed things a bit too tightly, so i'm making it 0.1mm larger in each direction now. and switching to a metric grid. down with the imperial madness !

(metric) two key elements, the 8:10 card and the antenna have metric dimensions, so fitting them was always a fight. i'm still too much of a coward to also go to metric traces, clearance, and holes, though

first of all, there are no such thing as host-accesssible web-apps at the momnet on Ben. Secondly, i would argue against writing it in php. Overall, i doubt there is a single person who ever typed "php" at ben

dvdk: naw, fix the real problem. packages are unavoidable. it only seems that you can avoid them because there's still very little stuff for openwrt. look at jlime. without packages, you're dead instantly.

wolfspraul: i don't like the idea of pre-filling the device. for the user, this then creates the problem that they don't have room for their own stuff and need to decide what of the pre-installed things they can safely get rid of. this is hard.

I have no doubt we can find a really nice set of 'default' apps that fit in 512 mb. and then there is still another 1.5gb that is mostly only out of sight because we are trying to avoid the long ubifs attach, otherwise we wouldn't even talk about this now and happily keep adding stuff.

dvdk: (upgrade model) i think this should work like on a pc. also there, you normally just upgrade your distribution without wiping out everything. the idea of a "firmware image" with a fully featured rootfs is fundamentally flawed

dvdk: (upgrade model) perhaps it would make sense to be able to "slave" the ben to some other device, though, to keep track of install actions. so if the ben is lost/destroyed/erased, you have a backup.

because that's what it boils down to. also, i think one reason for picking openwrt was to avoid having to spend the full distribution maintenance effort in this little project. if this doesn't work, then the problem may be even higher up ...

so you can still have an "official" rootfs image (that's useful because it's one stop shopping for an initial installation. kinda like an ubuntu install cd.), but there's nothing "magic" about that rootfs

wpwrak: wolfspraul : I really like the idea to use openwrt or OE to keep a good repository full of packages. And because those repositories have all the base system packages as well it would be great to use something like myrootfs from wpwrak. So all the effort would go to keep good packages already prepared for nn, and they live on the repo. All is there waiting for fun. And for the rootfs we could use something like myrootfs which just take the proper p

wpwrak: with meego dropped it seems that limo and samsung OS (with rasterman on top of that as main dev) are the two big efforts to have a real linux OS for phones. The samsung with raster could be really interesting for something like a real linux as an option for phones. Check his words : http://www.rasterman.com/index.php?page=News

wpwrak: yes I know, I will put a note in the product description about this are pictures on the prototipe, the production one might look different, and once I have a production one I will put real pics, btw good pic :)

steve|m: what's important is a good flux. RA works well but is quite sticky. water soluble leaves a lot less of a mess. supposedly, it's difficult to remove, though. well, i'll see about that when any residues have etched though any of my circuits ;-)

yes kristianpaul, remeber we are also targeting Arduino hobbists (like me) so explaining what is doing the make file, having the avrdude patched as ipkg, the schema with the conections and whatever that make easier to reproduce the experiment is worth the effort....

wpwrak: the problem with that is that in some places tax applies and some places not, and is automatically calculated once logged and i think will create more confusion than help, and regarding the amuount on topic.. well I will put (min 10 units) due the same item is used for 10, 50,100 or 500

I have only few questions. First one is that on the Qi website there is that newest image of OpenWRT for nanonote is from 2/14/2011, but when I run script reflash_ben, it downloads and install version from 12/14/2010.

sseago: OK, thanks. next question is about gcc. I thought that nanonote hasn't gcc included but I have found it in it (and that is very, very nice). But it isn't working, it says to fail load some libopcodes module. Is gcc working?

I will add a full report on manufacturing on the wiki, but not today.. I will wait until I see the result and I have time... even maybe if the manufacturers agree, have a visit well will see, regarding price... an euro unit first 500 , cheaper next 500 the exact price of the second batchs well be known once the second batch is inquired :P