Black Mamba Combiner Wars Compatible Menasor Prototype

3P Company Black Mamba has revealed a prototype of a very interesting project: A G1 inspired Menasor which is compatible with official Combiner Wars toys.

The news images were shared via BB7 TOYS Newsstand on Facebook. We can see a very nice and integrated truck mode. The robot mode looks blocky and a bit simple, but the combined mode provides a well-proportioned and detailed torso for Combiner Wars Menasor. The Deluxe figures seem to fit perfectly, and you can still plug Legends Blackjack to the chest. New articulated hands, feet and a sword are also included. This mold is sure a great improvement over the original CW Motormaster toys.

No information on price or release date yet, but you can check out the images after the jump and then join to the ongoing discussion at the 2005 Boards!

A sample size of 2 is not adequate to make a case for either side of the argument. You are pushing way to hard on this; my suggestion to you is to just bow out of this thread as you seem to just want to stir the pot.

shadowbug

I have read the entire thread; been keeping up on it since it started. I stand by my comment; one FOC combiner and one floppy mess is not enough data to determine if there is an enough interest in 3P CW style torso and limb bots.

FYI, I usually see your name in other threads and am interested in what you have to say. I just think in this in instance you came in a little hot and feel like speculation on your part should be given a certain measure of credibility…when it really is just speculation.

You're welcome. We've disagreed before, but I think it's important that everything is clear, especially in text communication. You never know when the only difference between a friend and an enemy is just a communication error, you know?

Definitely. Disagreements are part of life, no need to be enemies as long as we understand each other

thanks for the backup and yep, if it was on sale for $30 id probably buy it provided it seemed like a solid purchase

You're welcome. We've disagreed before, but I think it's important that everything is clear, especially in text communication. You never know when the only difference between a friend and an enemy is just a communication error, you know?

Eh. I don't think this board in general is ever clearly indicative of what people actually want. It shows me that someone wants the toy. It also shows me some don't want, or don't care about the toy. As long as there's a demand, there's a market. There are plenty of threads that go on and on for pages, and the product ends up flopping. There are plenty of pages where the product does just fine, but aren't anywhere near as long as the threads where the product flopped. Bottom line, the thread's had a pretty short lifespan (2 months?) and with no information coming in from the company other than a few old screenshots, you're not going to get a lot of action.

Slow your roll, hoss. I don't actually disagree with your primary points – that someone out there wanted this, and it would have been nice to have a decent CW Motormaster. In fact, I don't think @tigatron2002 even disagrees with that concept. The problem is that @tigatron2002 just isn't doing any of the things you're inferring that he's doing. There's nothing in his statements that shows that he's "acting" like nobody wanted a CW Motormaster replacement, or that everyone chucked their toys in the garbage. His points were:

This statement shows he's trying to put himself in their shoes in order to suss out why this thing was cancelled rather than casting aspersions on toy purchasers. He's specifically pointing out potential risks a toymaker might consider when deciding to create a product. Whether he's wrong or right regarding how Black Mamba makes their business decisions is debatable. Gonna bet dollars to doughnuts that if someone ran up to @tigatron2002 and said "Hey, Black Mamba 3P Motormaster is on sale at [Retailer] for $30 bucks." he'd probably buy the damn thing.

thanks for the backup and yep, if it was on sale for $30 id probably buy it provided it seemed like a solid purchase

There's 165 replies on this thread. And probably what, 30 people actually discussing this. This board is proof that the concept was a waste if their time and energy.

Eh. I don't think this board in general is ever clearly indicative of what people actually want. It shows me that someone wants the toy. It also shows me some don't want, or don't care about the toy. As long as there's a demand, there's a market. There are plenty of threads that go on and on for pages, and the product ends up flopping. There are plenty of pages where the product does just fine, but aren't anywhere near as long as the threads where the product flopped. Bottom line, the thread's had a pretty short lifespan (2 months?) and with no information coming in from the company other than a few old screenshots, you're not going to get a lot of action.

RodimusSupreme

No, I think YOU AND OTHERS are missing MY point:

I did not say he specifically said that he knew no one wanted it, I said he "acted" like no one else wanted it as though everyone else either sold their Stunticons, and/or refused to ever touch them again. How hard is that to understand?!

Slow your roll, hoss. I don't actually disagree with your primary points – that someone out there wanted this, and it would have been nice to have a decent CW Motormaster. In fact, I don't think @tigatron2002 even disagrees with that concept. The problem is that @tigatron2002 just isn't doing any of the things you're inferring that he's doing. There's nothing in his statements that shows that he's "acting" like nobody wanted a CW Motormaster replacement, or that everyone chucked their toys in the garbage. His points were:

tigatron2002

b: it doesnt make sense to produce an upgrade for figures released years ago because they would be banking on several variables including 1: people kept their cw stunticons 2: people want to upgrade their cw stunticons 3: people will buy their product even though other upgrades do exist 4: the last cw compatible torso didnt sell well (it was also a motormaster) and the only other upgrade torso bot for an official combiner sold so poorly we havent heard from the company since (microblaze creations foc onslaught)

This statement shows he's trying to put himself in their shoes in order to suss out why this thing was cancelled rather than casting aspersions on toy purchasers. He's specifically pointing out potential risks a toymaker might consider when deciding to create a product. Whether he's wrong or right regarding how Black Mamba makes their business decisions is debatable. Gonna bet dollars to doughnuts that if someone ran up to @tigatron2002 and said "Hey, Black Mamba 3P Motormaster is on sale at [Retailer] for $30 bucks." he'd probably buy the damn thing.

I totally agree that there are other posters- in all threads- who take things to pure crazy town levels; maybe that's why I replied only to you, I felt I could at least have a conversation. Personally, I have been wanting a new Motormaster since day one, as he is probably my biggest issue with all of CW. Your point does stand though that companies need to strike when the iron is hot and releasing this so late in the game might have made this DOA. They would have had my money, but that's all I could guarantee.

They probably would have gotten mine too in all honesty but I think my expectations were tempered a bit. The only companies I’ve ever seen release upgrade kits way late have been beelzeboss, fansproject, snd and transform dreamwave

Fair enough, but I never presented it as fact and always said it was an assumption or a logical conclusion based on what we have (at least that’s been my intent) and that black mamba probably factored that information into their decision (even though it’s not a lot of info). I came in hot because someone wanted people to lose their jobs for not producing a toy he wanted, which is a sentiment that shows the ugly face of any fandom

I totally agree that there are other posters- in all threads- who take things to pure crazy town levels; maybe that's why I replied only to you, I felt I could at least have a conversation. Personally, I have been wanting a new Motormaster since day one, as he is probably my biggest issue with all of CW. Your point does stand though that companies need to strike when the iron is hot and releasing this so late in the game might have made this DOA. They would have had my money, but that's all I could guarantee.

I have read the entire thread; been keeping up on it since it started. I stand by my comment; one FOC combiner and one floppy mess is not enough data to determine if there is an enough interest in 3P CW style torso and limb bots.

FYI, I usually see your name in other threads and am interested in what you have to say. I just think in this in instance you came in a little hot and feel like speculation on your part should be given a certain measure of credibility…when it really is just speculation.

Fair enough, but I never presented it as fact and always said it was an assumption or a logical conclusion based on what we have (at least that’s been my intent) and that black mamba probably factored that information into their decision (even though it’s not a lot of info). I came in hot because someone wanted people to lose their jobs for not producing a toy he wanted, which is a sentiment that shows the ugly face of any fandom

I have read the entire thread; been keeping up on it since it started. I stand by my comment; one FOC combiner and one floppy mess is not enough data to determine if there is an enough interest in 3P CW style torso and limb bots.

FYI, I usually see your name in other threads and am interested in what you have to say. I just think in this in instance you came in a little hot and feel like speculation on your part should be given a certain measure of credibility…when it really is just speculation.

A sample size of 2 is not adequate to make a case for either side of the argument. You are pushing way to hard on this; my suggestion to you is to just bow out of this thread as you seem to just want to stir the pot.

not stirring the pot, i had valid points (plural, not just one) and one or two people decided to provoke me. i recommend for context you read the current discussion from the beginning. anyway this thread should probably be locked anyway since the product is dead.

also you may not think a sample size of two is adequate, but its what we have. neither did particularly well (for various reasons) so it stands to reason that any company considering a torso to go with official products will take those two products into consideration since its targeting a similar market

ok, point out a 3p combiner torso meant to go with official products that was released by a 3rd party that was well recieved.

A sample size of 2 is not adequate to make a case for either side of the argument. You are pushing way to hard on this; my suggestion to you is to just bow out of this thread as you seem to just want to stir the pot.

I did not say he specifically said that he knew no one wanted it, I said he "acted" like no one else wanted it as though everyone else either sold their Stunticons, and/or refused to ever touch them again. How hard is that to understand?!

I would buy that.

I know, right? And yet the point you keep making (that that is the reason they went under, supposedly) CAN be disputed.

ok, point out a 3p combiner torso meant to go with official products that was released by a 3rd party that was well recieved.

This is my point of view in this matter. I have all the CW Stunticons limbs connected to CW Cyclonus and never bought Motormaster because I don't like how the CW version turned out to be. If someone makes one that is better, I might be interested. But then reading this thread I saw mentioned the Lonewolf figure and checked it, and if Black Mamba was aiming for the same price point, well there is no way I'm paying $100+ for a CW compatibile figure.

This is my point of view in this matter. I have all the CW Stunticons limbs connected to CW Cyclonus and never bought Motormaster because I don't like how the CW version turned out to be. If someone makes one that is better, I might be interested. But then reading this thread I saw mentioned the Lonewolf figure and checked it, and if Black Mamba was aiming for the same price point, well there is no way I'm paying $100+ for a CW compatibile figure.

I did not say he specifically said that he knew no one wanted it, I said he "acted" like no one else wanted it as though everyone else either sold their Stunticons, and/or refused to ever touch them again. How hard is that to understand?!

Haywired

The missed opportunity for a 3P CW Menasor upgrade kit was any company doing a full upgrade kit that could be transforming into Motormaster's missing trailer. A normal looking trailer for a semi that could be split into all extra components for the combiner team.

I would buy that.

Shinzero02

Amazing leaps of logic here.There are numerous reasons one company can fall apart besides sales.

I've been saying for a while now that a good CW Motormaster and Optimus upgrade would be using an added trailer to bulk the figure up to somewhere between CW combiner and Titan class.

I definitely would've purchased this figure though.

I know, right?

tigatron2002

oh great wise one, please share your vast wisdom with us so that we might not make "amazing leaps of logic" in the future. (sorry don't know how to do blue text and i really don't care enough to learn)

to be blunt, microblaze put out one figure, then folded. was it the figures fault? maybe, maybe not, but the fact that they folded after putting out one figure cannot be disputed

And yet the point you keep making (that that is the reason they went under, supposedly) CAN be disputed.