The decision for how conference champions are determined should be left to each conference. They don't have to all do it the same way. As long as rules are in place to determine the champion based on the play on the field, the subjective element is unnecessary and IMO undesirable.

Why should conferences have any say in the matter. Conference championships and national championships use entirely different metrics. They are distinct entities unto themselves, and one should not be used as a qualification for the other at the exclusion of all else.

We're talking about hypothetical systems that replace the current BCS. Let me be more explicit for you:

That's a horrible plan, then. You're advocating an eight game season. Teams would all schedule crap teams in the non-con, and their only goals would be to not get hurt. A full third of the season would turn into the NFL preseason.

Why should conferences have any say in the matter. Conference championships and national championships use entirely different metrics. They are distinct entities unto themselves, and one should not be used as a qualification for the other at the exclusion of all else.

They're distinct now. I think it should be changed.

Just like we determine a national champion using the BCS system now (or the competing AP poll), but we all want to change it in one way or another.

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You're talking accounting gimmicks now. The fact that we have a tradition of publishing one type of record over another doesn't reflect any underlying truth relative to this question.

Not at all. League games are designated as games that count. We might as well count field goals kicked in pre-game warmups by your standard. After all, using the actual game to determine when the scoring counts is just an accounting gimmick.

That's a horrible plan, then. You're advocating an eight game season. Teams would all schedule crap teams in the non-con, and their only goals would be to not get hurt. A full third of the season would turn into the NFL preseason.

There was a 9 game season in the Big 12 this year which is an example of how conferences do things differently. Conferences are free to schedule however they want and they're also free to count non-conference games as a part of their conference championship determination if they want. I'm not trying to dictate any of those things.

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There was a 9 game season in the Big 12 this year which is an example of how conferences do things differently. Conferences are free to schedule however they want and they're also free to count non-conference games as a part of their conference championship determination if they want. I'm not trying to dictate any of those things.

Yes. Conferences do things differently. They are free to do so because conference championships have no bearing on eligibility for national championships.

Not at all. League games are designated as games that count. We might as well count field goals kicked in pre-game warmups by your standard. After all, using the actual game to determine when the scoring counts is just an accounting gimmick.

Designating which games count is something that can easily be changed one way or the other. But we're talking about games here, not random events like pre-game warmup kicks. The games are all played by essentially the same rules whether they're pre-season, regular season, or playoffs in the NFL or non-con, conference, or bowl/playoffs in college. The rule differences, where there are any, are minimal. There's no reason in the world why pre-season games couldn't be regular season games in the NFL. In fact, the owners have proposed transforming 2 of them into real games to make for an 18 game season just recently, no?

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Thanks, Al. I frequent an ACC board, and I think the consensus on that board is that the exit fee will actually stick (teams continue to pay the Big East, for instance). It'll be interesting to watch in the coming weeks, months, years (or decades, I hope).

Maryland will pay something, but much like Mizzou, NU, CU, and A&M, they won't pay anywhere near the full demand.

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Designating which games count is something that can easily be changed one way or the other. But we're talking about games here, not random events like pre-game warmup kicks. The games are all played by essentially the same rules whether they're pre-season, regular season, or playoffs in the NFL or non-con, conference, or bowl/playoffs in college. The rule differences, where there are any, are minimal. There's no reason in the world why pre-season games couldn't be regular season games in the NFL. In fact, the owners have proposed transforming 2 of them into real games to make for an 18 game season just recently, no?