Okay, is it just me but do others agree that with all this turmoil since yesterday's event - some execs are going to get the axe soon? Specifically, I need to point out Rubey. I'll only mention him here because he is truly the face of the (former) Palm brand.

With this much negativity growing by the hour - and HP feeding it at the same rate - I believe his firing will signify 1) Acceptance that they have dissapointed consumers 2) They have muddied the webOS name quite well and need to clearn it up and 3) Remove his presence to remove them (HP) from the controversy of it all.

I don't know but I have a feeling that Rubey - if not someone close to him - will be getting the axe near future. I hope this post stays relevant long enough to revisit it if it ever happens

If Jon gets fired I bet you all that Steve will pick him up, in a interview Steve admitted that one of his biggest mistake was letting go of Jon, so Jon already has a home and bed ready for him at Apple.

Yeah, I'm with you. I truly believe the man has vision despite the failings of webOS. There was a time when I thought Ruby needed to go but that's because incredibly poor decisions were made on his watch. I think he's right where he belongs right now -- concentrating on making and shipping products while letting people with experience running a company handle the overarching decisions.

Okay, I just read his interview with Engadget and I take back everything I said. When the answer to every question is "of course we'll succeed - we're HP!" there's a serious problem.

"Look, your guys' job is to look at everyone's experience and compare them -- my job is to create new experiences, and I don't know how to do that if I'm being impacted and influenced by what other people are doing."

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Yeah, I'm with you. I truly believe the man has vision despite the failings of webOS. There was a time when I thought Ruby needed to go but that's because incredibly poor decisions were made on his watch. I think he's right where he belongs right now -- concentrating on making and shipping products while letting people with experience running a company handle the overarching decisions.

Remember too that its easy for us to judge what a company should and should not do, while they actually see what the company CAN do. The biggest issue with Palm (prior to HP) in my opinion has been communication. Yet remember there is a duty to the shareholders, so I'm certain Palm was in far worse shape than they let on. That explains the broken promises (as the business faltered, they could not meet those promises) and why they couldn't be honest the reasons (had they told everyone the business was running out of money, stock prices would have plummetting, killing the shareholders). I think Ruby did the best he could in an tough role and ultimately saved the company by having it still viable when HP bought Palm.

Now, HP on the other hand has some some remarkable things that I do not agree with. Leo on his "tour" talking about how devices need to be ready to ship when an announcement is made and the 2.0 rollout on older devices. Leo had to have known that the new devices would not be ready immediately or even weeks, yet he talked about how HP was going to be ready quickly after an announcement. To me, this is a huge gaffe.

The 2.0 backstep is another tough hit, especially for Sprint users, but somewhat understandable, considering some of the recent articles on deployment issues. That doesn't make me feel better about it, just understand the logic a little more.

For a man that doesn't know what his competition is, I wouldn't see letting Jon go as a bad idea.

Engadget: you've never used an iPad?

Jon: I've held one.

Engadget: C'mon. Really?

Jon: Look, your guys' job is to look at everyone's experience and compare them -- my job is to create new experiences, and I don't know how to do that if I'm being impacted and influenced by what other people are doing.

For a man that doesn't know what his competition is, I wouldn't see letting Jon go as a bad idea.

And yet he has helped come out with 3.0 for tabs.. Personally I think he's right .. He has the "lackies" do all that, and than looks at it from a Fresh perspective

Originally Posted by Ruby

Jon: I read about it on Engadget and I see the videos. I've been doing this for a really long time. We have a UI team that looks at all these products, a competitive analysis team that looks at these products. I want a fresh look at everything we make, and I don't want it to be influenced by what anyone else is doing. So I don't use the other stuff. This didn't start off as a religious thing -- when the iPhone came out, I was getting the Centro out the door and I was testing it 24 hours a day. It got turned into a religious thing but the reality is that if I'm going to spend my time I want to spend it on our devices and on our experiences and thinking about how we make them even better.

"Oh you guys - I was just playing with ya...John here, and be sure I'll be back in the seat tomorrow pushing our webOS dreams into the "beyond" zone. And whenever we decide its time to come back to reality, we'll let you know. Oh, missing my train - see ya!...Steve, Steve, wait up, did you see what we did over there today? Big, Small, Beyond - it was Awesome!..."