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@Riot A serious discussion about gender. Please read

There will likely never be a red post in this thread. And if there is it will be an anodyne statement along the lines of...

"We recognize this as a concern and are committed to creating diverse and fair portrayals of both genders in League of Legends"

...with absolutely no change in their actual behavior or the content of the game. This is not a conversation they are willing to have, and the extent to which Rioters have participated in mocking and dismissive threads over the past few weeks makes that completely obvious.

Ironstylus' responses regarding Diana and her skins are a good example of Riot becoming concerned about this issue, at least one facet of it. Remember, Riot isn't a monolith.

Of course, for all Ironstylus' concern, the female champs Riot has released this year were Fiora, Lulu, Zyra, Diana, and Syndra, which isn't much of an improvement in this respect over (to take a random sample) Annie, Ashe, Kayle, Morgana, Sivir out of the original release.

The over sexualized male champions made OP feel bad about his body? Wow really? Does he know its just a game?

As for female summoners picking more neutral gender champs umm ok? I don't think that makes a difference, I'm male, and play female champs.

The problem with sexism in the game is trolls. You know the ones that say females suck, or if you announce your a female your an attention *****. Which makes me wonder why the female summoners would even care what these sad individuals think. Their ****ing trolls who gives a ****. Their forever alone.

1. I have heard the argument "Pentalkill Olaf makes me feel bad about my body." It's an argument made to mock and dismiss this discussion. I never took that position, I was stating that I hate that position.

And someone doesn't quite grasp the concept of fantasy game. You try to force the way you think people should look and dress into a fictional game world.

You don't understand the concept of fantasy games if you think it means that all the women have to look like super models with DDs, broken spines, missing bones and organs, and clothes they're barely wearing. You're the one forcing the way you think people should look and dress into a fictional game world, not the people saying "Hey maybe you should have some more variety, Riot."

You don't understand the concept of fantasy games if you think it means that all the women have to look like super models with DDs, broken spines, missing bones and organs, and clothes they're barely wearing.

I don't understand that the people that design them try to appeal to the opposite gender? No way, i had no idea that this was something that everyone in media does.

So what you're telling me is that movies/shows/games purposely making characters that are attractive or appealing???

I agree that maybe RIOT should add some more sexualised male skins to compensate for the many female ones as well as to attract more women to the game.

However, there is nothing wrong with having sexually suggestive artwork or audio in the game, perhaps up the game rating if it really concerns you but these things are FUN, they add some spice to the game, if you removed all existing sexualised content from the game and covered everything head to toe in clothes the game would be a lot less appealing.

Might I also add that it is NOT only video games in which sexually suggestive media exists, please see almost any recent teen-adult film.

I agree that maybe RIOT should add some more sexualised male skins to compensate for the many female ones as well as to attract more women to the game.

However, there is nothing wrong with having sexually suggestive artwork or audio in the game, perhaps up the game rating if it really concerns you but these things are FUN, they add some spice to the game, if you removed all existing sexualised content from the game and covered everything head to toe in clothes the game would be a lot less appealing.

Might I also add that it is NOT only video games in which sexually suggestive media exists, please see almost any recent teen-adult film.

I didn't say there was anything wrong with sexually suggestive content. My argument is that there is something wrong with treating the two genders differently. Sexually suggestive women is perfectly fine as long as there are sexually suggestive men. That is, if you care about being inclusive. If you don't care about being inclusive, then maybe you shouldn't be saying things like "I wish X minority would use my product more."