The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

<quoted text>Vast conspiracy? I've said for a long time that I think Obumbler pulled a fast one on his own party. Personally, I think it is what, I suppose, could be called a technicality. Either way it is wrong. But a vast conspiracy? Not that I see. I see Chicago style politics than anything else. He pulled a fast one. And yes, even on his own people (if he really has any)!

Like I keep telling you people The Freemasons pull the strings and put out the fires. They are the ones trying to portray Snowden as some kind of traitor and idiot.May God Bless Snowden!Crucify Obama the antichrist!

<quoted text>KENYAN-BORN Obama did mention having his "birth certificate" on page 26 of "Dreams from My Father". Whatever happened to that one? Did he actually lose it or 'accidently' shred it?His Grandma Sarah Obama insisted she was present at this usurper's birth in Mombassa before he was later adopted in Indonesia. BHO is using a stolen SSN and forged Hawaiian Birth Certificate. Worse yet Obama is the Antichrist. Pope Francis is the False Prophet and same-sex marriage is the abomination of desolation. All these ills have been brought upon us by The Illuminati/Freemasons of which there are 6-million members worldwide half of them in the U.S. including Romney & Paul Ryan.ALSO: BHO is gay and his mother was a pornstar.

Re: "Did he actually lose it or 'accidently' shred it?"

Answer: He or his family lost it.(Notice the way that it was being kept, "in an old book." If he simply left it in that old book, well it would be easy to lose. It would have been easy to have left that book in Hawaii when they moved to Indonesia.)

Re: "His Grandma Sarah Obama insisted she was present at this usurper's birth in Mombassa before he was later adopted in Indonesia."

Answer: A birther LIE.

She never said any such thing. Birther sites simply cut off the tape recording just BEFORE she was asked "Where was he born?" She answered that by saying repeatedly "In HAWAII." And, by the way, only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961, and the Kenyan government says that it investigated and that Obama and his mother were not among them.

Re: "BHO is using a stolen SSN..."

Answer. No. It is not stolen. There are millions upon millions of data entry errors in SS files, and Obama's CT SS number is one of them, generated by an error in entering a single digit that turned the Hawaii zip code into the zip code for Danbury CT.

Obama’s birth certificate is not forged. Only birther “experts” have called it forged, and they have not shown that they are even experts, much less fair and impartial. Those are two reasons why they are not believed by Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck or the National Review (or by Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan or Gingrich or Santorum or Huckabee).

And birther sites have not shown you these real experts.

Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said:“The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”

Nathan Goulding with The National Review:“We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it.… I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”

John Woodman, independent computer professional, who is a member of the Tea Party (who says that he hates Obama’s policies but found no evidence of forgery) said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.

Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily:“All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.

Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery.“I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

Re "Antichrist" and the Pope---those are your opinions. You are entitled to them, but rational people will laugh at you.

<quoted text>Apparently in FlapperLand there are only idiots. Try and follow this, it really isn't complex. If you were born in Hawaii today you would be issued a CERTIFICATION of Live Birth (with me so far?). If you were born in Hawaii before this change in policy then you would have been issued a CERTIFICATE of Live Birth (still there?). On file, a person will either have a CERTIFICATE or a CERTIFICATION of Live Birth. So, why is Obumbler posting only a CERTIFICATION of Live Birth? He should have a CERTIFICATE! Comprende'?

One more time. He was born in 1961 so he was issued a CERTIFICATE, but the family lost it. He needed a copy, so he asked Hawaii for one, and they sent him a CERTIFICATION. That is because they send Certifications to everyone---people born after 2001 and people born before 2001. The certification is either the original birth certificate for people born after 2001 or it is the official copy of any birth certificate issued before 2001.

That's what they sent him, so that is what he posted.(And, BTW, Mitt Romney did not post a copy of the birth certificate that was sent to his family either; he posted an image of a photocopy of a SHORT FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE.)

<quoted text>Yes, just as people in the "cradle of life" would have thought! Global. I've never said it was global.

Thank you for admitting that the legendary flood wasn't global and marine fossils in the Andes and Himalayas had nothing to do with a putative regional event. So what is you point?

There was possibly a big regional flood around the Black Sea, and ancient writers may have said it was global and inundated the earth.So what? What is your effing point?

There might have been was a big flood in the region of the Black Sea, and mythology developed about a great Noah's flood with the ark and all the animals. So what? So effing what?

What is your effing point?

The fact is the Noah's Ark story is myth. What is your fecking point?

wojar wrote:

<quoted text>Excerpted from an article in GSA Today.

“Geologists assess theories by how well they fit data, and creationists evaluate facts by how well they fit their theories. This simple distinction frames an unbridgeable intellectual rift. Nowhere is this divide deeper than over how to interpret the story of Noah’s Flood, for the ideas invoked to explain such an event have been refuted time and again, and there is no geologic evidence of a global deluge.”

http://www.geosociety.org/gsatoday/archive/22 ...The simple fact is if the world were as primitive today as it was 5000 years ago, people on what is now the Eastern Seaboard may well have thought Hurricane Floyd caused a worldwide flood. So what?

<quoted text>You don't have a clue what they received. Period. You're stumped and just making excuses. Sorry, Ive no time for that.

Drivel. The public Index Data file shows that Obama received a birth certificate in 1961. The officials in Hawaii have stated that the long form birth certificate that Obama has posted is a photocopy onto security paper of the original long form birth certificate in the files, so Obama's family---like everyone else---was sent a long form birth certificate. His family HAD it, but he does not have it any more. So, in 2007 he asked Hawaii for a copy, and they sent him the short-form Certification.

If there had not been an original birth certificate in the files, they would not have sent him a Certification that said on it, as it shows, that Obama was born in HONOLULU. And the officials in Hawaii of BOTH parties have repeatedly stated that they sent the CERTIFICATION in 2007 and the CERTIFICATE in 2011, and that the facts on the long form certificate that the White House has posted are EXACTLY the same as on what they sent to him.

<quoted text>Then by your own words he does not have a birth certificate, only a certificate of live birth, which can be mailed in from somewhere other than Hawaii!

Huh? A Certificate of Live Birth (which is a birth certificate) originates from DOH not the other way around.

RU on drugs?

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<quoted text> A copy of the original BC us what you've seen. Of course the Lil puss got his panties in a wad because the State of Hawaii certified "this is an exact copy" but since the certification was in English, your concussion is not surprising

"Well, son, that's when white folks work every day so we can get all our benefits, you knows like free cell phones for each family member, rent subsidy, food stamps, WIC, free healthcare, utility subsidy, & the list goes on & on, you knows".

"But mama, don't the white people get angry about that?

"Sure they do and that's called racism!" (Never more simply explained)

<quoted text>Then it was the clerk who entered the birth certificate into the database. For that to have happened there had to be a birth certificate, and it had to say on it that Obama was born in HONOLULU because that is what the COLB says.However, I'm not at all sure about the "hired hordes of people to do the massive data entry" that you say occurred. Have you got a link to show for that? It is possible, of course, but it is expensive, and barring a good reason to digitize other than by entering the images of the BCs, many states would not spend the money. All that they would do is enter the images of the BCs, index them by name and date, and let the clerk check the place of birth (Oahu or an other island) and enter it. Otherwise they would have to enter the town and island for every file even those who do not ask for copies.

Hawaii digitized all the records, including backfiles. One of the reasons was to prevent clerical errors every time a BC was ordered.

It may take a while for me to find the account of the digitizing project, but that is how they did it. It was expensive, but Hawaii is now reaping the benefits of efficiency. Their database is entirely digital, thanks to forward thinking bureaucrats.

wojar wrote:

<quoted text>Ellen, that's not quite the procedure. The clerk does not do the data entry. Hawaii hired hordes of people to do the massive data entry, contracted a database, and set up their system. The clerk merely needs to identify the correct database file and print. No need to look at the image of the original paper record.

Why did Obumbler post a "certification" of live birth instead of a Certificate of Live Birth? Only a Certificate of Live Birth is accepted as an original birth certificate. Not a "certification" of live birth. Hawaii no longer issues a "Certificate of Live Birth", only a "certification" of live birth. So, if Obumbler was born in Hawaii in 1961 he should have a "Certificate" of Live Birth. But he doesn't. Why? Did the original get lost? Or perhaps, he was adopted and issued an amended birth certificate?

The "original" vital record is right at DOH in Honolulu. DOH has verified that fact.

WASHINGTON (Reuters)- U.S. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel has expressed regret to an Indian-born college professor for jokingly asking, "you're not a member of the Taliban, are you?" seconds before the professor rose to ask a question.Hagel's spokesman said the joke was not directed at anyone in particular, and the defense secretary called the professor, Robin Gandhi, to tell him as much hours after the Wednesday event at the University of Nebraska, where Hagel gave a speech and took questions from the audience.Still, the remarks have drawn considerable media attention, particularly given the announcement this week that the United States and the Taliban intend to hold talks after nearly 12 years of war in Afghanistan.Hagel "expressed regret for any trouble that this caused the professor," spokesman George Little told reporters.http://news.yahoo.com/defense-chief-hagel-exp...

OBAMA WAS BORN IN MOMBASA, KENYA! YOU NEED AN EDITOR! WAKE UP!â€ŹYou say: "The Obama campaign has maintained that he was born in Hawaii,has an authentic birth certificate, and is a "natural-born" U.S. citizen.Hawaiian officials agree." THIS IS A LIE!"Hawaiian Officials" MERELY said they "have his ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE"!They did not say: it is a 'HAWAIIAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE'!Have some literate person read to you the"A/P report of the Hawaiian Officials statements"?

Ha Ha. This Kenyan put one over you dumb yanks.. and you can't do anything about it.

However, he is doing a good job, better than any white REpublican could ever do.

WASHINGTON (AP)-- The House rejected a five-year, half-trillion-dollar farm bill Thursday that would have cut $2 billion annually from food stamps and let states impose broad new work requirements on those who receive them.Those cuts weren't deep enough for many Republicans who objected to the cost of the nearly $80 billion-a-year food stamp program, which has doubled in the past five years. The vote was 234-195 against the bill, with 62 Republicans voting against it.The bill also suffered from lack of Democratic support necessary for the traditionally bipartisan farm bill to pass. Only 24 Democrats voted in favor of the legislation after many said the food stamp cuts could remove as many as 2 million needy recipients from the rolls. The addition of the optional state work requirements by Republican amendment just before final passage turned away many remaining Democratic votes.Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., and No. 2 Democrat Steny Hoyer of Maryland, both of whom voted for the bill, immediately took to the House floor and blamed the other's party for the defeat.Cantor said it was a "disappointing day" and that Democrats had been a "disappointing player."Hoyer suggested that Republicans voted for the food stamp work requirements to tank the bill.http://news.yahoo.com/house-rejects-farm-bill...

<quoted text>Ha Ha. This Kenyan put one over you dumb yanks.. and you can't do anything about it.However, he is doing a good job, better than any white REpublican could ever do.Enjoy...

The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on forgeries like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications–such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.

Lucas D. Smith, a convicted felon, claimed that he went to Kenya and got Obama’s birth certificate at a hospital in Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to show proof that he, Smith, had ever gone to Kenya. All that he would have to do would be to show a Kenya stamp on a page of a passport, but Lucas D. Smith has refused to do that, constantly, and he has also constantly refused to say why he will not show that proof.(Moreover, his “birth certificate” uses US date formats [month/day/year] and not the day/month/year format used in Kenya.)

Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane, but only one person came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen. And Obama’s father did not go to Kenya in 1961 either (making it unlikely that his mother did, since travel late in pregnancy was rare, and even more rare without the husband going along). WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961.

And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.

“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””

Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate that says that he was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have confirmed that fact. It is also confirmed by the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, which were sent to the papers only by the DOH of Hawaii.

Obama’s birth announcement appeared in a section of the newspapers called Health Bureau Statistics. As the name indicates, and as the papers and the DOH also say, ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the paper. And the DOH only sent out those notices for children that it had issued birth certificates for, and in 1961 the DOH was not allowed to register the births of children who were not born in Hawaii.

<quoted text>Hawaii digitized all the records, including backfiles. One of the reasons was to prevent clerical errors every time a BC was ordered.It may take a while for me to find the account of the digitizing project, but that is how they did it. It was expensive, but Hawaii is now reaping the benefits of efficiency. Their database is entirely digital, thanks to forward thinking bureaucrats.<quoted text>

Re: "Hawaii digitized all the records, including backfiles. One of the reasons was to prevent clerical errors every time a BC was ordered."

Do you mean "digitizing" as in making digital images. Or, do you mean digitizing as in making all the words digital text? If the former, well sure. But the latter is expensive. And if all they did was make a digital image, then a clerk still would have to look at that image to determine whether or not it has the word HONOLULU on it (which of course it does).

<quoted text>Re: "Hawaii digitized all the records, including backfiles. One of the reasons was to prevent clerical errors every time a BC was ordered."Do you mean "digitizing" as in making digital images. Or, do you mean digitizing as in making all the words digital text? If the former, well sure. But the latter is expensive. And if all they did was make a digital image, then a clerk still would have to look at that image to determine whether or not it has the word HONOLULU on it (which of course it does).

Yeah, the latter is expensive and that just exactly what the State of Hawaii did. No, they did not simply make digital images, they transcribed all the data into a database.

No a clerk does not have to do anything but push a button once the correct record is located. This was described years ago.

wojar wrote:

<quoted text>Hawaii digitized all the records, including backfiles. One of the reasons was to prevent clerical errors every time a BC was ordered.It may take a while for me to find the account of the digitizing project, but that is how they did it. It was expensive, but Hawaii is now reaping the benefits of efficiency. Their database is entirely digital, thanks to forward thinking bureaucrats.

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