Right. And you're just here to see your children. So am I, but I never got a divorce. I'm just a bad father.

"Someone may object that the successful revolt against the universal and homogeneous state could have no other effect than that the identical historical process which has led from the primitive horde to the final state will be repeated. But would such a repetition of the process--a new lease of life for man's humanity--not be preferable to the indefinite continuation of the inhuman end? Do we not enjoy every spring although we know the cycle of the seasons, although we know that winter will come again?" (Leo Strauss, "Restatement on Xenophon's Hiero".)

Very funny, Sauwelios: So Turd posted his birth data, implied he's like a friendly reading, which I gave him, not avoiding mentioning his mild Venus-Mars conjunction, which you, Hitler and Kanye West have in tighter form - but what struck me after he had 'foed' me over comparing him to you (which I obviously didnt do, apologies even for allowing the suggestion) - is that his Sun is exactly opposed your Sun, and his ascendant is exactly what your ascendant likely is - end of Virgo.

He is thus an Aquarian Virgo, or Virgonic Aquarius, you are Virgonic Leo. Indeed that would result in absolutely irredeemable enmity, given Virgo is the least tolerant of all the signs. You have to go through the same door, but in directly opposite directions. And it's a tight fucking door. That degree of your ascendants, in as far as I estimate yours, is on Nietzsche's Mars.

As part of the grand scheme, I find it a good idea, I sense it is a good idea, to uphold you as a father figure here. The Leonic character is suited to this, the Aquarian is really too aloof and on the other hand too fanatical. Aquarius is more like a brother.

My leadership quality is related to my Aries ascendant (on the degree of the Suns exaltation) as well as my Leo Saturn/Pallas/Fortune, on the degrees of leaders like Napoleon. But I gladly pay homage to Solar Leos, especially when they have their Sun on the very degree of my Fortune, as you and another philosopher friend both have.

1.Value ontology equals self-valuing logic; the logic of beings, rather than of Being. Beings are given, Being, in as far as it would be a unified state inclusive of all things, is a hypothesis.

'A'><'A' ; within a logic of the ontos, difference is as fundamental to entity as it is to identity. Mathematical abstraction is a creative artform, not a faithful representation of reality.

2.New philosophical axiom:

Being is a word.

or

"Being" "is" "a" "word" (,:;?.!)

That is to say it might only be that. Unless we 'mean it right', 'shoot straight' - but for this our grammar is yet too crooked!

Grammar is under fire here. Grammar forms the lines between which philosophy must operate.

But this is not necessary. It is possible to approach language in the same way as one would approach physics; by first setting the terms, the calibrating operations to the reference frame. For this a term is required that refers to both physics and the human psyche. The terms "attraction" and "will to power" have been coined. These are both accurate, but not they do not produce a grammar around them. They do not explain themselves.

Philosophy crosses the long distance between word and reality. Or it has tried. By analogy, I would be claiming that value ontology is an arrow that hit the bulls eye. And this means there might be others that hit it - let's say Nietzsche was the first to hit the board, to prove it exists. In that case, VO might be just one ring closer to the center. But this is only a metaphor. As is "everything".

From hereon, we shall thus discuss “being” thinking of it as “the word “being”” . *

Into the words then. To value means to hold something distinct from another. “Being” = “Self-valuing” or extended “valuing registration (impacting physis) in terms of self” whereby "self" refers to the continuous (so as to be registered as existence, 'affect' if you will) form of the valuing, not to anything besides valuing, which if it is destined to be more than dissolution, entropy, amounts in self-valuing.

“self-valuing” is thus indirect, as is “being”.

3.What is 'direct' is action. It is involuntary but it produces our notion of will, this is enough for now to describe the power of its difference from being. Action is related to the term 'event' one action is never reducible to a single self-valuing. More on this, infinitely more, at a later stage.

All synthetic thoughts are actions; our nervous system pushes us to action, either inward or outward. Inward actions have formed the brain, through the organisms tendency to maximize its own self-awareness toward pleasure on a spectrum that all behavioral psychologists use.

Directness is what one might call a radical form of being, caused by a dense configuration of passive being that begins to be changed by the fact that its internal logics contradict the others, when they are in the same place at the same time. This is when the will to power arises; when self-valuing becomes active, an valuing becomes a matter of overcoming resistance and thereby inadvertently self-overcoming. Unless one is literally made out of gold, which can not be changed, and is thus perfectly self-valuing. Gold acts on its own terms; that is why the ancients called it a noble metal.

Some actions lead to death. An action also “self-values” but it has a very limited lifespan. An organic being is a collection of actions and results on the capacity to sustain similar actions.

Some beings develop a greater range of successful actions, others die and whither off because their range wasn’t sufficient to experiment. Experiment is the only way to acquire power. When one is given great influence but no experience, what some would call power quickly turns against and very likely annihilates its wielder.

Self-valuing logic is born out of endurance, out of rugged naked experience with the wild. It is both psychedelic an analytics. It is life, the circle, the imperfect always improving excellence of being that Homer sings about and that shall be exalted even above Homers imagination, to Olympian laughter among humans being as common as birds among a song.

4.Objects or characters or natures or individuals are no longer given. They are there only in as far as they 'give themselves' - self-value. Their nature is not different from their cause. Thus it includes many other natures by implication. But not, as ooSpinoza argues, all natures, for there is no whole; such a thing is not given, but again a hypothesis.

For instance: a tree still falls if there is no one around and it produces turbulence in the air and ground but it does not produce 'sound'. That is a phenomenon that derives from our eardrums, i.e. the thing between the phenomenon and 'that which gives' - the 'giver' - and I mean of meaning, of character, objectivity, nature, individuation; being-as-such. 'Sound as such' namely does not exist; there must be 'a sound' or 'several sounds' for 'sound' to exist. That means that it must becomes something within something else; a human experience. Therein can it self-value; i.e. respond to its environment in such a way as to continue to exist. That might be as an idea written down in a book, or as some grooves in a vinyl disc, or the memory of it in a mind... it needs to be recalled, ordered to presence to be verified but if it can be verified in theory, it 'exists'.

That is never to say 'strictly to itself'; often the level of involvement with other being determines simply the level of our involvement in our own being. This is very slippery ice; one can, with some discernment, become deeper and richer and 'happier', but many lives, most civilized lives perhaps, are lived excessively by other self-valuing terms than the 'spirit' of that person, the entity that might emerge if the mind was dead-seat on the values its spirit, fire, will sets for it. Such an entity can not be pulled into a Frankensteinian quasi existence by unknown hyperbolic assumptions. Detach! But slowly we proceed, in degrees.

5.What we need is visceral pathos, passion of the heart to direct the brains great madness, the violent ventures of which a man is inadvertently capable and often inclined, which must ultimately result in mastery of the Earth; that is to say, to behave in such a way that makes it possible to ay that the Earth self-values. Right now, man is a contradiction to that. A great one, requiring a great solution. Man is not capable of this in general, he needs his excessive warriors or that. These have now taken up the sword. Sword? what a I saying -- the pen. Far more dangerous.

* The word refers to a complex arrangement of things, namely everything. It does not, thusly, appear to do its object of reference any justice. It does not even show how precisely it must, as a word, contain itself within the vast, or infinite expanse of its reference.

But there never was a way to particularize the term being so as to represent, rather than to refer. Or so it seemed: in this very yearning for such a way was the way itself. The thinking mind needed required a 'self' (this is what philosophy is, the search for the self of thought), but it was looking in all the wrong places. It was looking at everything besides the ends to its passion. It could not acknowledge that all is selective passion, valuing, because that seems not noble enough. And - it wasn't. Man could not believe this, because he was not noble enough. He did not deserve to believe it.

Gazing tremendous norms outlasting fire swarmed arrows, knowing who should persist in a doomed simulation, and properly rating or categorizing each chess piece or member in play by how strong and filled with the valor of good qualities they are, cranking up the whole sketch, drawing out new flavors or different experiences sitting on a broad rock, a pure foundation, or a floating frame lifts comlinks of Xbox live for instance, where your play or performance in certain areas was given an immediate badge of rank, leveling flippers frenzied grand totals, barometers spinning on and on without quitting or stopping, people that fly in escalating towers that spot air plane mazes swooping and whirling a lunch box working whims by a fairy wand, some beams of the most luminous, well indoctrinated pondering room of excellent television could cause a thousand pixelated angelic beings to all be hovering over you, aware of your warm spots and hot springs of opportunity, or perhaps it has a rising shower built into its tiles and plates, adding jelly to a smashed cockpit, like Rayquaza in Pokemon being the most super-powered, supreme and elevated lord over all, making each prize a swished mouth wash, opening and extending his gears, and revamping his world lines to meet or train up points and stats blocked from view, like vanishing lines in the Last Supper see the different skills and abilities born from initial genesis, so pushing a lot out there into the real world, flapping your wings, and winding up a staircase of confusion could mix and match, play against expectations, find a file of computerized models that already ascertained what you're shining path puts out there.

By activating an extra set of eyes, blooming breath into a power that brings plants back to life, and knowing what must always be imminent in the zone, drastic measures or quick operating sings a symphony soaked in causes, or maybe the power of an individual, from all of the mastery of higher, more advanced sky line views could offer, freak outs may be on the verge of visiting, unexpected anomalies in the air, like a bad sense or right and wrong, or even with too many fragments, kind of like magically touching bladed grass to cover the lawn yet again, tilted spires of what's going to crack could encase ourselves in a more lovely vanity, more narcissistic and empowered, where what we want wheels back to our internal organization of where each border banks into the river of ideals, sometimes surfacing yet again for access.

Earth as a Birthday Cake - viewtopic.php?f=10&t=192847The value of a novel is not that it is real or will ever happen but rather it represents reality in an architectural model of how it could be or should be. Similarly, when theoretical physicists dream of a utopian golden age of scientific discovery where humans have evolved to the point of mastering hyperspace and bending the universe to their will, the value of it is not that logical calculations indicate humans are too insignificant for this to be our destiny, but rather the value is in the theory itself of creating a vastly unprecedented and advanced society, the architectural model of how humanity could evolve and what humanity should achieve. Achieving this in the imagination, the world of the mind would be the focus that could manifest itself into a better reality. The value is in the journey of humans becoming the lords of creation rather than the destination.Wisdom takes the lowest route.

We see the abnegation of human value in the name of human lovewe see the destruction of what was held sacred in the name of the sacredand we see conservatism on the rise.There is no saying where it will stop, except when we say it stops.

When we say it stops, it stops because there stands a value in the way, like a cow on the road, or like it once happened to me in France, a dead bull.

Before moving toward the poetic craft of envisioning symbolism, there is already the given of the establishing motion. This is a physical movement in time, a bestowing opening. Rather than a flower unfolding to receive the sun, this is as a flower from which the sun emerges.

A sign are we without meaning, said the poet Hölderlin when there could not yet be such a thing as a bestowing morality. There had been for thousands of years a containing morality, and only by positing himself anew as a Symbol did man manage to uproot this all consuming plant from his nature. Man was no longer symbolized as Christ, but an aimless arrow. For a significant time the symbol remained without meaning.

The only symbolic realm I can conceive of yet is that of a yoga-system, of which only the first pose is established. Logic would suggest that following the expansion there should be a contraction, a taking-in, but i am not sure that this would serve. Rather another stretch outward, more manifestly manifest - the first one commanded time into being, the second is in time. And a third one, encapsulating the subject instead of in balanced duality in trifold expansion. A movement, an arrow is formed and the questioning lords are now suddenly finding very strange and threatening answers.

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I've gone too metaphysical on this.This God must include humble things, wood.Growing towards the light does not have to be instantits conception was instant but the sap of it flows perhaps slowlyas all is entangled light imagine the light of the sap in the treeso philosophy may seep upwards to the light.

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I am careful not to make the form too explicit, more explicit than it appeared to me. The perpetual lightning, seemingly frozen in time but active as a lightning strike in every moment, is what comes closest to an image. And these beams spanned the world from horizon to horizon.

There is a forging of a reality between the self and what Lacan called the Real, the unformed, unexperienced, uninterpreted -- it is as if this God is a vessel to hold a dominating type of interpretation in place. Yes in fact I think this is what Gods normally are, not just this one. But where from this emerges -- I imagine it has much to do with the state of the world -- not only what the subject wants from the world, but also what the world can expect of the subject.

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The difference between this God and the rest of them is that it is no longer superior to man. The question then remains if it is truly a God, and if Gods are still possible, or necessary.

A God has been a means to convey value, more than anything else, "hope". Perhaps because hope is replaced by certainty, God loses his "terrible mask" and is seen for what it is -- a great thing -- a thing.

Perhaps this invention has only served me to prove to me the unnecessariness of a true concept of God. Against this God, perhaps as a first antipode to it in a system of derivations, stands its shadow, that which it is not -- the cold dak Earth that draws to it all that wishes to forget itself in destructive certainty, the roots of all the resistance against the perfection of order in immediacy.

I fear that much of this is summoned in the dark as the other is seen in the light. This power needs to be rooted, not in Earth, but in - sap. Yes, I was not wrong, a transition needs to be made from electricity into sap. I fear I must begin to learn some chemistry to move any further.

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And another step in making recognizable the nature of the utility of this relationship. I do not require a God to give me or my life meaning -- value ontology has made all that sort of mythologizing unnecessary. But apparently there is still the question of a superindividual force, a web between beings, influence. If anything Gods have always been envisioned to ensure victory and dominion.

Mostly such dominion has been of political and military nature -- religion and science to serve politics, philosophy (ideation) to serve religion and science.

With the conception of value ontology I have overthrown this order, so that now politics, religion and science (may!) all answer to philosophy. "May", because so far, not many have understood it, and the various sciences and theoretic fields will certainly resist this subjection, until they cannot any longer resist the power that comes with it.

After all, consider the type of power science and religion have given man so far over his self and his destiny. It has been a very fragile, ambiguous and questionable power, a power that is taken away from him as much as it is given... because both religion and science are rooted in the belief in objectivity, which is antithetical to belief in man as he is.

I propose that slave morality be understood as consciousness disconnecting from the organisms self-valuing. A being can no longer rely, in its actions of acquisition of power, on what it is – it is forced to re-determine what it is in terms of the lack, the gap left by the removal of its self-valuation. Since a gap has no content, the identification is shifted to that which has caused the gap, the enemy. A moral slave determines itself in terms of what it hates, by positing itself as not-that. It posits, or attempts to posit, a self-value by establishing a sense of power over the entity that it blames for the loss of its self-value.

As it is still exerting its will to power, it still operates as an entity, a subject, so it is in fact still grounded in a self-valuing. What has been lost is the connection between self-valuing and consciousness. Consciousness has detached from nature, what results can be described as disintegration of value. As long as slave-morality persists, as the unconsciously self-valuing entity persists in its behavior of willing to power on the terms of another entity, as it tries to establish a conscious self-valuing as the negative of what it perceives as powerful (but evil), it operates directly against its natural, innate self-valuing, and this must result in decay.

I think that slave morality can not be inherited, that every new-born being has a master-morality, by which I mean that its consciousness is rooted in a self-valuing. (For example, the mother is valued in terms of the self, that is why we have the Freudian complex of interpreting the mother / parent as the self).

By the genetic passing-on and cultural / physical sustainment of forms of weakness / unhealth, it becomes more likely that a conscious being strays into slave-morality. If the being is both physically unhealthy and immersed in a culture where slave-morality is the norm, it is likely that it abandons its “child-like” master-morality and becomes a value-decaying, alike to its cultural environment. I think of the modern Islamic world, which morality is rooted in the rejection of the west (not to say that the west presently holds a master morality, but it serves as the standard of hated enemy by rejecting of which the morality is largely defined). Breaking out of this cycle, “salvation” could only occur through impulses of a freshly, life affirming nature such as is operative in children.

It seems likely that the teachings of Jesus Christ (whether this is only a metaphorical figure or if he really lived is not important) were aimed to remedy a similar condition operative in the Jews under Roman oppression – a re-establishment of self-valuing by taking on a infant-like perspective. “Render unto Caesar what is his” – his value – have for yourself what is yours – your value: “divinity” –i.e. your self-valuing

Nietzsche had good reason to say that the last Christian died on the cross, because much of Christianity as a culture was a continuation of the self-denying/ignoring against which a “spiritual rebirth” was proposed a remedy. It continued to focus on the enemy, on Evil, even if it politically overcame all enemies, and succeeded so in including in this negativity-standard against which it set its efforts, the things that naturally sustain positive valuing – beauty, strength, pleasure, the ‘good things in life’.

It seems that ultimately such a reverse valuing must come to an end, as the acting consciousness of resentment erodes the unconscious self-valuing on wich it rests to such a point that it can no longer be sustained. Physical reserves are exhausted, the psychological driving force is no longer sustained sufficiently to act aggressively-destructively, the active anti-ethics are no longer possible, nihilism is the result. Depending on the circumstances in wich the organism finds itself, this may lead to, in natural, nurturing conditions of culture, a gradual recovery of natural, positive valuation, conscious self-valuation, master morality – in less favorable circumstances, death seems the only outcome.

Now the will to power is dependent on self-valuing (the standard-setting interpreted as the root/ground of the subject), so where self-valuing is sabotaged by consciousness, as is the case where slave-morality takes hold, will to power remains operative only until it exhausts its resources, it wills the entity to death. The energy is transferred to vital subjects / structures. In such a case the will to power is not aimed at power of the subject, but rather at a transferring of power from the subject. The subject wills himself

Can the will of an entity possessed of a slave morality still be called a will to power? Can it still be called a will? What is more, can we still speak an entity? I think that the answer is: only in as far as it is unconscious. And this makes it clear how (and that, which is a departure from Nietzsches “all is blood” dogma) we may begin to dispel slave-morality.

Having values is indeed already a value-problem. Many people wish not to take a stand because that implies responsibility for discernment. It implies making enemies, and as N notes of these moderns they believe themselves good precisely because they have no claws, because they claim to have no enemies. Reality denial therefore sets in heavily.

"Almost 50 per cent of newly-arrived young Austrian Muslim migrants hold anti-Semitic views, a new study published by the University of Teacher Education in Vienna reveals"

Denial of reality leads one to being denied by reality. This is the value-problem Europeans are facing: the limit of their ability to value themselves as no-valuers.

"Reality is just a racist lie, invented by male troglodytes." --Modern Feminism

Void_X_Zero wrote:Having values is indeed already a value-problem. Many people wish not to take a stand because that implies responsibility for discernment. It implies making enemies, and as N notes of these moderns they believe themselves good precisely because they have no claws, because they claim to have no enemies. Reality denial therefore sets in heavily.

Exactly.

"Almost 50 per cent of newly-arrived young Austrian Muslim migrants hold anti-Semitic views, a new study published by the University of Teacher Education in Vienna reveals"

That number seems conservative to me, but it could be Austrian muslims are a bit more timid.

Denial of reality leads one to being denied by reality. This is the value-problem Europeans are facing: the limit of their ability to value themselves as no-valuers.

Well said, haha. That's also the only reason why it's bearable - it's very funny in its own right.

Void_X_Zero wrote:"Almost 50 per cent of newly-arrived young Austrian Muslim migrants hold anti-Semitic views, a new study published by the University of Teacher Education in Vienna reveals"

Highly probable BS to lure Europeans into acceptance of their demise.

Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic HarmonyElseFrom THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is"..

the grandest scheme laid bare: Live a life, love, have a family, have children, work, have community. Exist, enjoy to the fullest that you're capable of enjoying through all of the pain and suffering, knowing it must exist for reality to exist at all. And punch in the mouth anyone that needs to have that last bit explained by you during such a life as having successfully grabbed those things, but not lament or hate if someone else is able or patient enough to explain it.

The Grandest Scheme laid bare: disappear into the immaterial, lose all sense of self and identity to get away from the control freaks, the bastards, the dictators, the haters to get to a place where any freedom can be found if only for a few brief moments.

The Grandest Scheme Laid Bare: Discard titles and ideas of nobility; discard all thoughts of higher civilization and that success has been measured at all; escape calmly what others would run from, embrace with all might in a struggle snuggle of love for all the rape that existed, because it is a struggle just to snuggle without it leading to something else, a struggle to just break through the barriers of psychological issues placed on each other, from inadequacies to insecurities, for lovers to hold each other in each others arms without it being misconstrued. Rage blindly into love as the rage slips away to expose the darkest light you'll ever know, the existence still of pure and true love in a reality that eschews all other pure and true things.

“We hide in plain sight, and it works. Majestically. Everyone else can fuck the fuck off.”

Void_X_Zero wrote:Wow, you really have nothing to say, do you? I mean literally, nothing. No substance whatsoever.

Fascinating.

I'm at the point where I just want to kill all people who say things like that. The only reason I don't is because they never seem to be in arms reach when they say them to me and once I start, if one happened to dance, I'd have to kill them all and nobody would allow me to do that, and it's endlessly frustrating to start something you can't finish, almost better not to start at all; better to start, but in a different fashion and I guess this is it. Killing you all slowly and softly with my words and responses. Taking the edge off little by little, bit by bit, barely enough to keep my sanity and all just building up until I get to a better place for revenge.

“We hide in plain sight, and it works. Majestically. Everyone else can fuck the fuck off.”

Some Guy in History wrote:the grandest scheme laid bare: Live a life, love, have a family, have children, work, have community. Exist, enjoy to the fullest that you're capable of enjoying through all of the pain and suffering, knowing it must exist for reality to exist at all. And punch in the mouth anyone that needs to have that last bit explained by you during such a life as having successfully grabbed those things, but not lament or hate if someone else is able or patient enough to explain it.

The Grandest Scheme laid bare: disappear into the immaterial, lose all sense of self and identity to get away from the control freaks, the bastards, the dictators, the haters to get to a place where any freedom can be found if only for a few brief moments.

The Grandest Scheme Laid Bare: Discard titles and ideas of nobility; discard all thoughts of higher civilization and that success has been measured at all; escape calmly what others would run from, embrace with all might in a struggle snuggle of love for all the rape that existed, because it is a struggle just to snuggle without it leading to something else, a struggle to just break through the barriers of psychological issues placed on each other, from inadequacies to insecurities, for lovers to hold each other in each others arms without it being misconstrued. Rage blindly into love as the rage slips away to expose the darkest light you'll ever know, the existence still of pure and true love in a reality that eschews all other pure and true things.

I suppose one might see nature as a grand scheme, and the great act of starting a family as a grand scheme in that sense. But I don't mean that, here.

If you don't want to be treated with disdain, it my be a good idea to not come into peoples threads with a disdainful attitude.

Show interest in the OPs thinking, at least if you desire to be respected. That is really kindergarten level education.

Some Guy in History wrote:the grandest scheme laid bare: Live a life, love, have a family, have children, work, have community. Exist, enjoy to the fullest that you're capable of enjoying through all of the pain and suffering, knowing it must exist for reality to exist at all. And punch in the mouth anyone that needs to have that last bit explained by you during such a life as having successfully grabbed those things, but not lament or hate if someone else is able or patient enough to explain it.

The Grandest Scheme laid bare: disappear into the immaterial, lose all sense of self and identity to get away from the control freaks, the bastards, the dictators, the haters to get to a place where any freedom can be found if only for a few brief moments.

The Grandest Scheme Laid Bare: Discard titles and ideas of nobility; discard all thoughts of higher civilization and that success has been measured at all; escape calmly what others would run from, embrace with all might in a struggle snuggle of love for all the rape that existed, because it is a struggle just to snuggle without it leading to something else, a struggle to just break through the barriers of psychological issues placed on each other, from inadequacies to insecurities, for lovers to hold each other in each others arms without it being misconstrued. Rage blindly into love as the rage slips away to expose the darkest light you'll ever know, the existence still of pure and true love in a reality that eschews all other pure and true things.

I suppose one might see nature as a grand scheme, and the great act of starting a family as a grand scheme in that sense. But I don't mean that, here.

If you don't want to be treated with disdain, it my be a good idea to not come into peoples threads with a disdainful attitude.

Show interest in the OPs thinking, at least if you desire to be respected. That is really kindergarten level education.

I'd have a lot less of a disdainful attitude if they were actually up to par in metering and measuring the most important aspects of life and death. I already know the OP's thought processes, they are the thought processes of so many other cliches, so many other filled niches in society.

If you expect me to respect the opposition of what I said, you can suck a dick. You can lick the jelly from between thunder-dick's thighs, to quote Ron White. To me, what you, the OP and so many others bring to the table is kindergarten level education and mentality. And I've gone through over the years since I've been here and proven them wrong CONSISTENTLY. Now, isn't it just a bit of consistency that you all claimed to have wanted and expected from people like me, or am I just mistaken all around?

Want to drag this into the ground? Want to see how strong I stand? Want to really try dragging your balls all over my face and not have them ripped off, torn off, crushed and made into tatters of blood-stained flesh? Let me drag my balls across YOUR face, for a change. I won't do it, it's something else and their balls and they are quicker than you to lick ass-crack and jump to initiative in all the wrong ways. I bitch-slap the fuck out of them, too.

“We hide in plain sight, and it works. Majestically. Everyone else can fuck the fuck off.”

Some Guy in History wrote:the grandest scheme laid bare: Live a life, love, have a family, have children, work, have community. Exist, enjoy to the fullest that you're capable of enjoying through all of the pain and suffering, knowing it must exist for reality to exist at all. And punch in the mouth anyone that needs to have that last bit explained by you during such a life as having successfully grabbed those things, but not lament or hate if someone else is able or patient enough to explain it.

The Grandest Scheme laid bare: disappear into the immaterial, lose all sense of self and identity to get away from the control freaks, the bastards, the dictators, the haters to get to a place where any freedom can be found if only for a few brief moments.

The Grandest Scheme Laid Bare: Discard titles and ideas of nobility; discard all thoughts of higher civilization and that success has been measured at all; escape calmly what others would run from, embrace with all might in a struggle snuggle of love for all the rape that existed, because it is a struggle just to snuggle without it leading to something else, a struggle to just break through the barriers of psychological issues placed on each other, from inadequacies to insecurities, for lovers to hold each other in each others arms without it being misconstrued. Rage blindly into love as the rage slips away to expose the darkest light you'll ever know, the existence still of pure and true love in a reality that eschews all other pure and true things.

I suppose one might see nature as a grand scheme, and the great act of starting a family as a grand scheme in that sense. But I don't mean that, here.

If you don't want to be treated with disdain, it my be a good idea to not come into peoples threads with a disdainful attitude.

Show interest in the OPs thinking, at least if you desire to be respected. That is really kindergarten level education.

I'd have a lot less of a disdainful attitude if they were actually up to par in metering and measuring the most important aspects of life and death. I already know the OP's thought processes, they are the thought processes of so many other cliches, so many other filled niches in society.

If you expect me to respect the opposition of what I said, you can suck a dick. You can lick the jelly from between thunder-dick's thighs, to quote Ron White. To me, what you, the OP and so many others bring to the table is kindergarten level education and mentality. And I've gone through over the years since I've been here and proven them wrong CONSISTENTLY. Now, isn't it just a bit of consistency that you all claimed to have wanted and expected from people like me, or am I just mistaken all around?

Want to drag this into the ground? Want to see how strong I stand? Want to really try dragging your balls all over my face and not have them ripped off, torn off, crushed and made into tatters of blood-stained flesh? Let me drag my balls across YOUR face, for a change. I won't do it, it's something else and their balls and they are quicker than you to lick ass-crack and jump to initiative in all the wrong ways. I bitch-slap the fuck out of them, too.