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In ESB he has very little screen time. Hell, he's not even in it until it's over half over.

In RotJ, he gets just slightly more screen time than Admiral Ackbar due to his cameo appearance in Jaba's palace and his presence at the Sarlacc pit. Other than that he's no where near the big 3 through the rest of the film... just plays an important supporting role to show the progress of the space battle.

In ESB he has very little screen time. Hell, he's not even in it until it's over half over.

In RotJ, he gets just slightly more screen time than Admiral Ackbar due to his cameo appearance in Jaba's palace and his presence at the Sarlacc pit. Other than that he's no where near the big 3 through the rest of the film... just plays an important supporting role to show the progress of the space battle.

I was responding to the thread title, not anyone else's post.
I simply meant that I like BOTH Star Trek and Star Wars. It's not a contest. I don't see a need to choose between them based on others opinions.

I was responding to the thread title, not anyone else's post.
I simply meant that I like BOTH Star Trek and Star Wars. It's not a contest. I don't see a need to choose between them based on others opinions.

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No I was just referring to the fact that both franchises can have a "Big 3." Both can. That's all.

The nickname claim... I'm sure it was used for something LONG before it was ever used for either franchise, and which franchise had it first... unless you've talked to everyone who's ever talked about them and can get hard evidence, you will never have anything other than something of an anecdotal claim.

The cultural impact.. I've already said many times Star Wars BY FAR is more ingrained in the culture than Star Trek.

I was responding to the thread title, not anyone else's post.
I simply meant that I like BOTH Star Trek and Star Wars. It's not a contest. I don't see a need to choose between them based on others opinions.

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No I was just referring to the fact that both franchises can have a "Big 3." Both can. That's all.

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And I was just stating the fact that the nickname Big 3 has been applied to Trek first.

And Star Wars actually can't claim it or even the 4 I mentioned - not really.

Too many of the main characters ate vital to the story.

Vader is the main villain throughout. The droids are the "accelerant" to the story. Chewie will rip our arms of if he gets a hint of this. Kenobi is no ones supporting character - even when a force ghost. Lando's actions constantly top the scales in the movie.
Luke, Leia and Solo are the action heroes.

All of these characters are vital to the story.

Star Wars needs them all.

Trek only needs Kirk, Spock and McCoy. The supporting characters like Scotty, Sulu and the rest are not vital to the stories. They are easily interchangeable with any random character.

The nickname claim... I'm sure it was used for something LONG before it was ever used for either franchise, and which franchise had it first... unless you've talked to everyone who's ever talked about them and can get hard evidence, you will never have anything other than something of an anecdotal claim.

The cultural impact.. I've already said many times Star Wars BY FAR is more ingrained in the culture than Star Trek.

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I've got the memory of fact - clear as day in my head. And I know I didn't come up with it. So others before me had used it. That might not be enough for you but that is irrelevant as it does not change the fact that it is so.

I can't imagine what it might have been applied to beforehand - its possible as is anything - but I interpret the statement as a wild claim just for the sake of it.

As regards the cultural impact - neither you or I can actually say for definate because neither of us are impartial on the matter. It looks like nobody here really can be. Plus there is more to it than personal opinion.

And also people would probably disagree on what the requirements are for defining a cultural icon or impact.

Yeah, Kirk Spock and McCoy are a three man troupe who can be the only 3 in an entire film and it would be fine... keep telling yourself that.

EVERY movie needs it's supporting characters. Every movie has it's vital supporting characters to do many important things.

Just for laughs, I found an origin of "The Big Three" that came in the 1880's referring to Harvard, Yale and Princeton. How's that for being first?

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I think you know well that is not what I said - I stated that Scotty, Sulu and co. are in no way vital to the progression of plot and action in Star Trek. Any random character can fill their role. They could be killed off and it would have no affect on the show. Of course Trek can't be a three man play.

There is no point in being snitty.

As to the school nickname, well there you go - we've all learned something. The nickname goes beyond even Trek. Well done on looking that up.

But as I said, there isn't a Big any number in Star Wars. All the main characters are vital to the plot and their roles can't be filled by any random character.