If this is your first visit, be sure to
check out the FAQ by clicking the
link above. You may have to register
before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages,
select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Dear members,

In order to show respect towards someones wishes, regarding if they want to get surprised by the issue of the manga, that wasn't showed yet in the anime series, please place the proper "Spoiler" prefix on your thread, whenever you create one that contains any spoilers. If you do decide to post any spoiler at all, while creating the thread, in the drop-down box before the thread title, again, please make sure you selected "Spoiler" as the thread prefix.

Surrounded by Multiple Jonin, Confused, Obscured Vision

That's all you really need to know about why Kakashi's hand is through Rin. Here's the likely scenario:

The zetsu told Obito that Rin and Kakashi were in a situation facing multiple jonin. I don't doubt it. The two are fighting them off, and, suddenly, Kakashi's sight is blinded by an unknown jutsu. All he sees is blackness. He hears Rin and is fighting blinded to protect her. He lights up his chidori and stabs in the direction of one.

The jonin all sink into the earth and disappear, releasing the jutsu. As the jutsu releases, both Obito and Kakashi's vision become clear; Kakashi has just killed Rin. Obito shows up just in time, all according to Madara's plan.

As Madara predicted, Obito will return to Madara thanks to this staged event.

Re: Surrounded by Multiple Jonin, Confused, Obscured Vision

Yep, people need to relize that acidents happen like that...... Why else would kakashi cry when he stabed rin with a chidori? And your saying that these jonin ninja are like zetzu clones? Yes that would make sence since they can just disaper into the ground. But it realy just seems that madara has planed this dosn't it? We all know kakashi..... Anyways, proboly obito will go back to madara and.... BANG he turns evil..... Defently +rep you.

Re: Surrounded by Multiple Jonin, Confused, Obscured Vision

Re: Surrounded by Multiple Jonin, Confused, Obscured Vision

Yep, staged by Madara. Madara already told him that he'd be back, with absolute certainty. Obito was told he could never leave, except this time it was OK. Obito told the Zetsu all about Rin and Stupid Kakashi. It was staged from the start.

Re: Surrounded by Multiple Jonin, Confused, Obscured Vision

I think it was by accident. Kakashi was probably still trying to get used to his chidori + speed and couldn't stop in time to avoid Rin.
Probably the reason why he doesn't really like it when sasuke used it against Naruto cause it shouldn't be used on "comrades".

Or
Maybe Obito in the process of connecting with his other eye with Kakashi,blinded him as well.

Re: Surrounded by Multiple Jonin, Confused, Obscured Vision

Originally Posted by sageadvice

Yep, staged by Madara. Madara already told him that he'd be back, with absolute certainty. Obito was told he could never leave, except this time it was OK. Obito told the Zetsu all about Rin and Stupid Kakashi. It was staged from the start.

Exactly. Look at it this way; Tobi told half truths and lies to Sasuke to get him to work for the Akatsuki, but Madara did the same thing to Obito, the difference is that Sasuke isn't as gullible and naive as Obito nor is he as trusting. This manga is like a soap opera and all of the story lines are going to converge in the end because they have the same source; the jealousy and Hatred of the Uchiha clan.

Re: Surrounded by Multiple Jonin, Confused, Obscured Vision

Originally Posted by EternalStudent

why is that? because they are getting attacked by ninja? Was the kanabi bridge Madara's plot as well?

lmao no it was not, but this is .... just look at the way zetsu has been talking to obito last chapter he said that madaras plan can even bring ppl back from the dead...i wonder why he said that ... i know because he would eventually kill them so that obito has no other hope to see rin only if he follows madaras plan.... so yeah madara planned this one... he might be old but he is really wise...how can you make a teenager you never met to follow your orders??? easily make him feel helpless. not physically but emotionally.

Re: Surrounded by Multiple Jonin, Confused, Obscured Vision

Originally Posted by sageadvice

That's all you really need to know about why Kakashi's hand is through Rin. Here's the likely scenario:

The zetsu told Obito that Rin and Kakashi were in a situation facing multiple jonin. I don't doubt it. The two are fighting them off, and, suddenly, Kakashi's sight is blinded by an unknown jutsu. All he sees is blackness. He hears Rin and is fighting blinded to protect her. He lights up his chidori and stabs in the direction of one.

The jonin all sink into the earth and disappear, releasing the jutsu. As the jutsu releases, both Obito and Kakashi's vision become clear; Kakashi has just killed Rin. Obito shows up just in time, all according to Madara's plan.

As Madara predicted, Obito will return to Madara thanks to this staged event.

The only problem with this is there is no sign of shock on ( what we have been lead to believe) kakashis face!

Re: Surrounded by Multiple Jonin, Confused, Obscured Vision

Originally Posted by sageadvice

That's all you really need to know about why Kakashi's hand is through Rin. Here's the likely scenario:

The zetsu told Obito that Rin and Kakashi were in a situation facing multiple jonin. I don't doubt it. The two are fighting them off, and, suddenly, Kakashi's sight is blinded by an unknown jutsu. All he sees is blackness. He hears Rin and is fighting blinded to protect her. He lights up his chidori and stabs in the direction of one.

The jonin all sink into the earth and disappear, releasing the jutsu. As the jutsu releases, both Obito and Kakashi's vision become clear; Kakashi has just killed Rin. Obito shows up just in time, all according to Madara's plan.

As Madara predicted, Obito will return to Madara thanks to this staged event.

Re: Surrounded by Multiple Jonin, Confused, Obscured Vision

Originally Posted by meowNverse

and stabbed her exactly in the heart, while vision was obscured?

It's not like he shot a needle from 1,000 yards away. It was his fist, at close range, in combat, against other normal-sized people that generally keep their hearts in the same place. So, yes. He could not see, heard an indicator that someone was right in front of him, and stabbed in the area where the heart would be using muscle memory.

Re: Surrounded by Multiple Jonin, Confused, Obscured Vision

I think Kakashi and Rin may have been surrounded. I mean think about this way. We've been told they were surrounded by ninja of the mist. Also mist ninja are known to use mist techniques (like Zabuza) to sort of impair the vision of their foes.

Look at this for instance:

Obito thought he was initially seeing rain but then retracts that thought once seeing some of the battlefield. IMO the rain was probably some kind of mist tech.

If any of what I said above is true then I don't find it hard to believe Kakashi accidentally stabbed Rin during all of the commotion.

Re: Surrounded by Multiple Jonin, Confused, Obscured Vision

he is more like void of emotion with the exception of the tear! Thats the only bit of emotion you see from him. there are only 3 types of catatonia and the kakashi wasnt diplaying any that we could see. you have stupor ( which is the closest to what your trying to prove, but you cant defend that with what was shown. the other 2 are Catatonic excitement which we didnt see any excitement from him and Malignant catatonia which we didnt see instability. So using reason, we can deduce that kakashi( or whoever) is not in shock, or even catatonic shock. Like I said, the attacker looks more emotionless with the exception of the tear. Therefore it was not an accident, the attack was intentional.