Does anybody have any good patterns that they would reccomend for Kings or silvers out in the Ocean? The gear guys are getting a lot fo them and say that most of the fish are at 15' down which is very do-able with a flyrod.
i am tying up some big baitfish patterns and a lot of tube flies.

Herring, candlefish and small squid imitations, and of course Leland's Beach Popper all kick butt.

I like to tie herring flies on a tube to get the hook to the rear of the fly. Use mylar tubing to cover the nylon tube and dress over/under to get the profile. Search for page's bigeye baitfish, this is one of my favorite general construction methods but on a tube. I have a juvie pattern variation in the archives.

Candlefish on a 911s long shank hook or tube as well. Clouser style works great as an imitation as well.

Small squid are a natural on a tube to get the hook back to the legs while a long mantle is on the tube.

Ryan (Nfk16) showed me a great coho pattern a couple yrs back at Sekiu - tie mylar tubing around the outside of a narrow deceiver and unravel it so it dances as the fly is stripped. Man it works!

Go look in the archive there are a few flies in there. Set the options to look back all the way to the beginning.

It really depends on WHERE in the ocean you're fishing. Do you mean actually near the surf, or true OCEAN fishing? I know out away from shore, they do run really deep. We were catching most of ours (on bait that is) 40-80' down once you got a few miles out. Not many near the surface, too many dogfish up that high.

Now, near shore, then you hit from 10-30'. We never did much fly fishing that far in the salt. Normally more in salt flux/harbors. But when we did, we used simple bucktail streamers with LOTS of flashabou. Only difference I did, was I made mine with double hooks. Why? Because I've found, especially in the ocean using bait, that kings his in a variety of fashions. Some hit sideways and hook on the forward hook (mooching leaders), and sometimes they hooked up on the rear hook. So, I always tied hooks in tandem. I have actually hauled in kings in the 40-50# range in the salt that were hooked primarily on the front hook, and also have had them only get into the rear hook. I usually just like using something simple with some flash. I also prefer to dance them about too. Quick strip up, and let it free fall. Have enduced some nice hits that way.

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SH69... I am talking true ocean... 4+ miles out. We were just out at Neah bay with gear and catching kings in the top 15' of water. If they are that close to the surface I want to try with a fly. I am tying up some big tube flies with a lot of flash. I am also tying up a purple and yellow fly that works great for cutties and small BMs. Hopefully the big guys will eat it.
I am thinking that a type VI will get me down deep enough and I can troll with the flies if I can't locate a school to cast to. I dont think I will be deep enough to matter, but I have been tying in some of the glow in the dark flashabou.
Any experience with this???

juro- a beach popper for kings??? I have never got a big king on a surface fly, only small BMs.

Dave,
Missed you at the shop last weekend...but am going out this saturday with some of Leland's poppers - his last post got me way to excited about surface action.

For ocean kings any baitfish pattern will work. Important is to have a variety of sizes to match the size and coloration of the baitfish, a variety of lightly flashed to heavily flashed flies depending on time of day you are fishing.

Do a web seach for Barry Thornton - he has some fly patterns posted at a BC fishing site.

well i just got back from Neah Bay and it was great. I was finally able to get some salmon on my fly rod. I even hooked a King but he broke me off. I was casting around bait schools with a chart/white clouser. I also was able to spot silvers tailing on top, get infront of them and make a cast with good results.
I also even saw a shark out there on the surface but was un able to make a cast at him because the salmon were keeping us busy.