[QUOTE=dmusoke;32274617]Makes sense...the point I wanted to raise was why are so many returned to begin with?

Well I had 2x bad delivery before with FedEx PC-12Plus arrived damaged 2x. So some can be from shipping and some light scratches from people who use it. With 45 days free return some of those subs can be maybe 1 yers or even more old and who know how many people use them before. I don't know how sensitive is piano black for scratching but maybe it is easy to do so. I like more wood finish even if is fake vinyl.

Did you get one without damage? Mine had "wrinkles" on the cloth but the pic didn't look that bad. I figured I'd never see a normal one even if I tried a month so I just got that one.

I just purchased it yesterday so I will have to wait and see what it looks like when it gets here on Thursday. The one that I chose from the outlet (there were 2 available) said that there was no damage so hopefully it is as new.

I don't know how sensitive is piano black for scratching but maybe it is easy to do so. I like more wood finish even if is fake vinyl.

I have had an SB-13 Ultra in piano black for about six months. No damage so far - either from shipping or use since then. My kids are grown and no pets currently, so I don't expect any scratches or dings due to use . I did apply a coat of Zaino (Z2). It's a completely clear polymer car sealant (not a wax) with no cleaners or polishes to scratch or damage the finish. It makes the finish pop and it protects it too. It even keeps it relatively dust-free. (YMMV). Anyway, no damage so far, don't expect any - and it's beautiful.

If EMP and the guy behind the Arx speakers (Jon Lane) tell me break in is not a myth, I'm inclined to believe them (even if the differences are small). And I would think the same physics at work on smaller woofers applies to larger ones, as well.

I never noticed any change in the sound from my EMP's, regardless of how long I listened to them. I didn't take measurements or anything so I guess I could have missed something, but there was no change audibly.

Can the PB 2000 be placed upside down so that the woofer is closer to the floor and the port is closer to the ceiling ? I see that there is a gap in the metal grill at the top and in my house (with cats and kids) the surround on the woofer would be better protected that way. I know that subs are omnidirectional, but I was wondering more so on the internal electrical components side of things.

I have had an SB-13 Ultra in piano black for about six months. No damage so far - either from shipping or use since then. My kids are grown and no pets currently, so I don't expect any scratches or dings due to use . I did apply a coat of Zaino (Z2). It's a completely clear polymer car sealant (not a wax) with no cleaners or polishes to scratch or damage the finish. It makes the finish pop and it protects it too. It even keeps it relatively dust-free. (YMMV). Anyway, no damage so far, don't expect any - and it's beautiful.

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I agree you will not have any issues. With trade in options what SVS have some subs in outlet could be couple years old or even more who knows. What is why they have some issues there. If your sub arrived ok and had no scratches I don't see any issues after that.

Can the PB 2000 be placed upside down so that the woofer is closer to the floor and the port is closer to the ceiling ? I see that there is a gap in the metal grill at the top and in my house (with cats and kids) the surround on the woofer would be better protected that way. I know that subs are omnidirectional, but I was wondering more so on the internal electrical components side of things.

I just purchased it yesterday so I will have to wait and see what it looks like when it gets here on Thursday. The one that I chose from the outlet (there were 2 available) said that there was no damage so hopefully it is as new.

Same guy probably unloaded 2. Well I got the one with "damage". Oh well. I just wanted one bad. I'll keep monitoring and if one ever shows up without damage I'll get that one. Honestly I'd rather pay an extra $30 and get brand new, but that ship sailed.

What do you mean the woofer is on the top? The driver is on the bottom.

Well someone said you can take the cap off so I'm curious what it looks like on the top. I'm not going to dig up the old post but I think someone said the woofer was on the top. If they were wrong they were wrong. Curious to see what it looks like under that cap though.

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Can the PB 2000 be placed upside down so that the woofer is closer to the floor and the port is closer to the ceiling ?

If you put it upside down the "cap" would be on the floor. Which lead me to believe this person thinks when it stands normally the intake (port) is on the bottom (I know it is I've seen it) and the woofer is at the top under the cap. I thought he was talking about the PC not the PB.