I suppose I'll guess either the 11th/12th or 22nd of November. 22nd makes the most sense, to me, as a worldwide launch in their initial territories (not that far behind the Ps4, doesn't rush them much, allows them to get the European market a week early as a compromise) while the 11th or 12th allows for snappy marketing ("11/11!" "11/12/13!") and gets out a few days early, but that might be cutting it too close.

I suppose I'll guess either the 11th/12th or 22nd of November. 22nd makes the most sense, to me, as a worldwide launch in their initial territories (not that far behind the Ps4, doesn't rush them much, allows them to get the European market a week early as a compromise) while the 11th or 12th allows for snappy marketing ("11/11!" "11/12/13!") and gets out a few days early, but that might be cutting it too close.

I'm still waiting for surprise info of "hey we're also releasing in the rest of the world too!" but until then I just hope the PS4 isn't going to be UI train wreck like the PS3. I'd much rather spend that $500 on a console rather than a new GeForce 770.

In a way it seems like a good move. When people go and buy out all the PS4's there will be a fair amount of people who want to play some nextgen multiplatform games and don't want to wait a month for new PS4's to re-stock and just might get the XBO instead.

Guess its dictated by their stock levels why they didnt go for week before ps4 in america. not surprising if they have had to postpone alot of north europe which although not official reason might very well be linked to same stock issues

Not that I've ever worked retail or manufacturing, but that seems dangerously close to Black Friday. I guess shipments can/will come in all the time at stores that week, it just seems unusual that they would leave so little time to get re-stock units on shelves before such a big shopping day.

@jimmyfenix: It's a real safe bet that there's some kind shit storm going on over there. Those people are always pissed about something.

My dumb comment was from a story someone posted a day or two ago. There was a facebook screencap with several non english comments and a big "NEOGAF ARE FURIOUS !" right in the middle of it all. I was probably way more entertained by it than I should have been.

For instance the PS4 is on place 7 of the best sellers at amazon.co.uk where the Xbox One is on place 33. I read a rumor that the real reason for not launching in more EU countries is that they want more consoles for the US market. The low pre-order numbers could be why. This is all speculation of course.

@jimmyfenix: It's a real safe bet that there's some kind shit storm going on over there. Those people are always pissed about something.

My dumb comment was from a story someone posted a day or two ago. There was a facebook screencap with several non english comments and a big "NEOGAF ARE FURIOUS !" right in the middle of it all. I was probably way more entertained by it than I should have been.

I do not know if you where joking or not but they really are losing their shit over there right now.