why are you bringing up popularity in a discussion that has nothing to do with record sales or fanbase?

who's talking about popularity?

why do u think gibbs signed 2 jeezy or even raps for???its obvious he signed 2 jeezy so he could broaden his fan base and get sum exposure so he become more known,hence make sum money...i hope u dont think he raps just 2 have n*ggaz like u bringing his name up every chance they get but wont even buy his albums

why are you bringing up popularity in a discussion that has nothing to do with record sales or fanbase? You know you have nothing to say when you keep mentioning popularity in a conversation that has absolutely nothing to do with it.

who's talking about popularity? what does popularity have to do with anything?

is Big Sean> Kendrick Lamar and Big KRIT if Kendrick Lamar and Big Krit never sell 50k their first week? oh. what does Gibbs being Jeezy's artist have to do with any part of the conversation either? Let people who can debate do it.

n*gga u been lost the debate,EVERYBODY KNOWS GIBBS IS A BETTER RAPPER THAN JEEZY...u talking like u showing/telling us sumthing we already didnt know....thats the only thing u could say but u claim all i could say is people dont know who gibbs is..i rebuttal every angle u brung up thats why u aint say sh*t 2 me...since u think u enlightening us on gibbs being such a superior rapper than why da fu*k would gibbs ever bother signing with jeezy if he has one the best flow/lyrics in the game????tell me that genius

I agree gibbs is a more technical rapper. but that's all about all you can give him...
like dude said, until gibbs can make them bangers like, I luv it, soul survivor, f.a.m.e, put on, bury me a g etc. he's gonna stay underground. dude keeps bringing up popularity because it matters in this case. just because gibbs is more technical doesn't mean he has ANY project fu*kin' with jeezy's 3 or 4 best projects. until he makes that song/songs or album that hits a little outside of the internet. he don't really belong in this conversation.

he knows that sh*t thats why he keep saying the same sh*t (gibbs flow/lyrics are better than jeezy's blah blah blah) cuz he cant say nothing else...jeezy could put gibbs on every fu*king song/hit on his album,it would give gibbs sum extra exposure and gain him sum more fans but no where near as much as he would gain if gibbs made/had his own hit,hence meek mill ima boss...cause at the end of day it would still be jeezy's hit,it doesnt matter if gibbs was better on the song or not cuz its not his song

souja boy went platinum..Joe Budden hasn't. You're making arguments about nothing. All I stated was Gibbs would add to 2.5-3/5 songs by spitting a better verse and you got a heart attack over it.

u keep bringing up all these other rappers and sh*t..they dont have sh*t 2 do with what u keep talking about..if u dont consider a rapper rapping to become bigger and make more money in the industry then u really dont know sh*t about the rap game..go back and listen to what gibbs spit on talk 2 me slowly and try 2 comprehend what he talking about cuz i couldve sworn he said "i rap cause one day i pray this might be my escape,everyday i seal up these baggies seems like i sealing my faith" soulja boy did sumthing joe budden hasnt cuz soulja boy made hits while buddens just made good music

you're right, and soulja boy made hits and joe budden made good music . what's wrong with that? is budden less of an artist because he doesn't make hit singles? .where am i stating that gibbs has more mass appeal than young jeezy..

let's just end this conversation right now, it won't go anywhere. we're having two conversations at once.

you're right, and soulja boy made hits and joe budden made good music . what's wrong with that? is budden less of an artist because he doesn't make hit singles? .where am i stating that gibbs has more mass appeal than young jeezy..

let's just end this conversation right now, it won't go anywhere. we're having two conversations at once.

i never said budden is less of an artist,i just explained why 1 went platinum and the other didnt..i never said gibbs had more appeal,i said gibbs can have the best flows ever in the rap game and he would still wish he had jeezy's appeal and fan base....if u wanna put up the white flag then go ahead but answer me this though...if gibbs is such a superior rapper than why would gibbs ever bother signing with jeezy if he has one the best flow/lyrics in the game??????

I think the underlying point that hasn't been said straight up is.... one rapper is better than the other.
the reasons have been stated for both rappers. but no one has straight up said it.

i been said gibbs is a better rapper than jeezy..i mean everybody knows that..being the best rapper doesnt mean you're gonna be the most successful or 1 of the most suucessful..just like being the smartest person doesnt mean you're gonna be the most successful or achieve the most in life..just like being the most talented athlete doesnt meant ur gonna end up being the best athlete/player

for more exposure? i never denied that..jeezy is a platinum selling artist.

I'm not saying he has more money or more popularity than jeezy

while i think it's a stupid move signing to jeezy of all people, that's the reason he did it..where am i denying this? i said nothing in any post about popularity or the reason why he signed to CTE

all I said from the beginning was TM103 would have been better with more Gibbs features and less of the other dudes he put on.

u didnt have too...just u saying that gibbs wouldve made every song/every feature much better while saying jeezy didnt do it cuz he was worried about gibbs overshadowing him on tm103,like jeezy cant make a hit or never made a hit without gibbs...gibbs is tight but dont get it twisted,jeezy dont need gibbs for sh*t,whether its making a hit,staying relevant,selling records,catching people ears and history has showed that..like i said before,if u wanna hear gibbs more just say that but 2 be sh*tting on jeezy like the n*gga hasnt done it multiple times without gibbs is ridiculous..jeezy done proved himself already,its gibbs that has sumthing 2 prove..gibbs could flow,can rap and got lyrics but can he make a major anthem/hit,become a bigger and more successful artist than what he already is while staying true 2 his form

sidenote:CDH had sum wack songs on there so dont even front like he never made a wack song

ya that's what I meant to say. I meant to say better artist. you're saying jeezy is overall better than gibbs. and spitta is saying gibbs is better than jeezy & the huge fan base don't matter.
that's what I've gathered from the sh*t anyways.

he never said thats what he meant but if thats what he's tryna to say gibbs hasnt done anything 2 prove that as if of yet and time will tell..its crazy how people act like fan base doesnt matter,like these artist rap/sing just for the hella of it..this sh*t is a business and this is their job at the end of day,artists' do this sh*t 2 get money..they got bills 2 pay and mouths 2 feeds just like any other person

I doubt that Freddie Gibbs will blow, the new Hip-Hop fans are into Big Sean, Drake, Nicky Minaj, Lil Wayne
Let's be honest all of the singles on TM103 flopped (except Lose My Mind)

big sean aint sell really sh*t and he had major hit that was getting airplay even though it was because of chris brown..jeezy singles rarely do good on the charts..he sells off of his name,the clubs,his shows/tours..having a single that does well on the charts doesnt really mean/guarantee good/high album sells,hence j.cole

what the fu*k does their income/sales have to do with their ability to make music? what does the business side of music have to do with the music itself?

tha carter 4 will probably sell at least 650k more first week than jeezy and has had multiple hit singles on there..

you called C4 wack, so you agree with me that TM103 is extremely wack since it won't/doesn't have half the success of C4? this is my last comment to you

i mean it's a business, and C4 certainly did/will generate more income than jeezy's tm103

u like putting words in n*ggaz mouths..i said c4 was mediocre not wack...again,gibbs doesnt rap and didnt put all his focus to making music to not benefit off the sh*t..rapping in the studio,getting beats and mastering tracks aint free..u think that n*gga puts all his time,energy,focus,sweat,emotions and life stories in his music for nothing or just 2 keep u happy....if it wasnt for the money or the fame,majority of artists' wouldnt be in the game,n*ggaz wouldve been having regular jobs,running the streets wild,hustling/robbing n*ggaz..damn n*gga,u really that know sh*t about the game

how is c4 wack? sold a milli its first week and multiple hit singles..it's better than illmatic using your logic.

u must cant read thats why u keep saying stupid sh*t..tryna bring up other people albums like it suppose 2 prove a point...mediocre isnt wack,go google that sh*t or look it up..the point is u was talking sh*t about jeezy not putting gibbs on more songs on tm103 cuz he was worried about gibbs overshadowing him on tm103,like jeezy cant make a hit or never made a hit without gibbs...gibbs is tight but dont get it twisted,jeezy dont need gibbs for sh*t,whether its making a hit,staying relevant,selling records,catching people ears and history has showed that.

gibbs could flow,can rap and got lyrics but can he make a major anthem/hit,become a bigger and more successful artist than what he already is while staying true 2 his form