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Re: Obama's New Toy: US Plans for War Against Iran

It's a cute toy, but your thread title is (again) a lie.

Actually, the most fascinating aspect of the weapon is that it carries some of its own electronic countermeasures....

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

Re: Obama's New Toy: US Plans for War Against Iran

Please do tell how the title is a lie. It may be uncomfortable for you but it's no lie.

There's one definite one and an arguable one. I'll leave identifying them as an exercise for the rational.

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

Re: Obama's New Toy: US Plans for War Against Iran

was thinking as method were Israel to declare war first the US would instantaneously immediately follow . There is no other nation in the area that regards Iran as anything but friendly . Israel has already attacked Iran once recently . A declaration of war by Israel on Iran would be effectively Israel deciding for the US .

Re: Obama's New Toy: US Plans for War Against Iran

Originally Posted by Jack Springer

Please do tell how the title is a lie. It may be uncomfortable for you but it's no lie.

It is pretty sad when someone is so blinded by Obamahate that they can't even see the lies in their own thread title. If you bothered to get any information from other than Obamahate sources, you'd see why the thread title is silly.

Oh by the way...I suppose is it Obama who is responsible for the approval of more obsolete Abrams Tanks as well?

In 2002, Northrop Grumman and Lockheed Martin were working on the development of a 30,000-lb (13,600 kg) earth-penetrating weapon, said to be known as "Big BLU". But funding and technical difficulties resulted in the development work being abandoned. Following the 2003 invasion of Iraq, analysis of sites that had been targeted with bunker-buster bombs revealed poor penetration and inadequate levels of destruction... This renewed interest in the development of a super-large bunker-buster, and the MOP project was initiated by the Defense Threat Reduction Agency to fulfill a long-standing Air Force requirement.
The U.S. Air Force has not officially recognized specific military requirement for an ultra-large bomb, but it does have a concept for a collection of massively sized penetrator and blast weapons, the so-called "Big BLU" collection, which includes the MOAB (Massive Ordnance Air Burst) bomb. Development of the MOP is now underway at the Air Force Research Laboratory, Munitions Directorate, Eglin Air Force Base, Florida. Design and testing work is also being performed by Boeing. It is intended that the bomb will be deployed on the B-2 bomber, and will be guided by the use of GPS.
Northrop Grumman announced a $2.5-million stealth-bomber refit contract on 19 July 2007. Each of the U.S. Air Force's B-2s is to be able to carry two 14-metric-ton MOPs.

Re: Obama's New Toy: US Plans for War Against Iran

Originally Posted by rareboy

It is pretty sad when someone is so blinded by Obamahate that they can't even see the lies in their own thread title. If you bothered to get any information from other than Obamahate sources, you'd see why the thread title is silly.

Oh by the way...I suppose is it Obama who is responsible for the approval of more obsolete Abrams Tanks as well?

The Pentagon insisted they didn't need any additional tanks but a republican politician forced them to take more and in turn wasted millions of American tax dollars. The Abrams tank is built at the Lima Army Tank Plant in Lima, Ohio.

Lima is represented by republican Jim Jordan who insisted on wasting tax dollars building these unwanted weapons of war. The budget cuts would have meant the Lima plant would close and a republican politician's constituents would be out of work. So lobbying by General Dynamics and handing Jim Jordan lots of cash, Jordan fought to keep the plant open.

Republicans claiming they're deficit hawks insisting on slashing the budget but don't. Not in my backyard.

Re: Obama's New Toy: US Plans for War Against Iran

Originally Posted by csb999

was thinking as method were Israel to declare war first the US would instantaneously immediately follow . There is no other nation in the area that regards Iran as anything but friendly . Israel has already attacked Iran once recently . A declaration of war by Israel on Iran would be effectively Israel deciding for the US .

Israeli warplanes struck targets in Syria after we announced tougher new measures based on the belief that Assad used gas on his people. So while a different country is involved in my example, are you under any delusion that Israel decides and we follow?

The thread is not necessarily a lie. What Springer fails to mention is every President has had war plans against Iran since the Ayatolla of Rock and Rolla took over the land of swarma. SOME in our government have been itching to pull the Iran trigger for years.

What Springer fails to mention is that because of the Obama Administration we are not in a war with Syria and therefore Iran. Not yet at least. Where goes Syria then goes Iran. The recent bombing of a Syrian munitions storage by Israeli warplanes is a diplomatic shot across the bow to Iran. They had previously said any act of aggression against Syria would be war on them as well. They will do nothing and Assad will have his answer as to whether he gets help if the world comes down on his already shaky grip on that country. We will have that answer as well.

But sure if your out in a field farming clowns, the idea of Obama waging war in a wanton manner plays well... almost as well as the mockery of the Iraq war run up that is presented at the GWB Lie-bury.

Last edited by JayHawk; May 4th, 2013 at 07:36 AM.

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Re: Obama's New Toy: US Plans for War Against Iran

Originally Posted by Jack Springer

The DOD in the Obama Administration has created a new bomb to use against Iran to stop the manufacture and implementation of nuclear weapons.

Does that sound better?

Closer -- but it still makes it sound like they're planning to attack Iran, when the truth is it's a "just in case" move. Something often overlooked even in this forum is that the DOD makes plans for everything, however unlikely. If there's the least whiff of a possibility that can be imagined by someone, there's a plan for it: might Indonesia decide to attack Japan? Got a plan for it. How about the Saudis seizing power in Egypt? Got a plan for it. Argentina invades Tasmania? Well... maybe not that one.

Originally Posted by Jack Springer

BTW, Boeing is the maker of the bomb.

So they DO make things that crash!

Originally Posted by Jack Springer

I'm wondering if you're really upset because you despise the fact that the Obama Administration is looking at a military response to Iran's actions.

The DOD is just doing its job, making plans to respond to whatever might develop.

I'm wondering what they'd come up with if they had a potential target half a kilometer deep....

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

Re: Obama's New Toy: US Plans for War Against Iran

The DOD in the Obama Administration has created a new bomb to use against Iran to stop the manufacture and implementation of nuclear weapons.

Does that sound better?

BTW, Boeing is the maker of the bomb.

I'm wondering if you're really upset because you despise the fact that the Obama Administration is looking at a military response to Iran's actions.

No. because it still is bullshit. This particular bunker buster has been on the drawing boards for over 10 years and has been on a trajectory to being added to the arsenal after the US found that their Iraq war bunker busters were just basically billion dollar duds. Obviously, the Pentagon has known for some time that outside of a nuclear option, that it doesn't have the ability to effectively target and eliminate the nuclear bunkers of Iran or even likely North Korea. And the Pentagon and the successive generations of presidents know that a nuclear option might give the evangelical Christians a chub thinking about the end times, but would be political and moral suicide for the US if it used one first.

Re: Obama's New Toy: US Plans for War Against Iran

Israel estimates that Iran is just months away from being able to build a nuclear bomb.

So I'd say the chances of them attacking this year are like 99%.

If that leads to a war then I'm sure the US will eventually be dragged into it.

Security sources close to Israel's prime minister suggest that Iran is months away from constructing a nuclear weapon whereas, other Israeli security officials are identifying with American sources indicating that Iran is not months away from making a nuclear weapon.

I'd say that it is 99 pct. certain that Israel will not be targeting Iran this year without the practical cooperation of the United States.

It is very easy to carry out an air raid on Syrian targets at a time of civil war in Syria whereas, Iran is not a soft target for the IDF with many top Israeli security sources urging caution on those Israeli hawks anxious to bomb Iran.

Re: Obama's New Toy: US Plans for War Against Iran

Originally Posted by Laufey

I'll change that to 99% chances of them attacking Iran before they reach the level of being able to make a nuclear bomb.

The results of the very recent Israeli general election evidences that prime minister Netanyahu no longer has the support of his electorate sufficient to be able to launch air raids on Iran for few of his fellow citizens agree with his analysis of Iran's threat to Israel including many in the Israeli defence and security establishments publicly voicing their disagreement with Netanyahu.

That the United States does not agree with prime minister Netanyahu's perspective on Iran being much more interested in ensuring that the current Syrian civil war ousts Assad's regime would suggest air raids on Iran are 99 pct. certain not to take place this year.

Re: Obama's New Toy: US Plans for War Against Iran

Israel estimates that Iran is just months away from being able to build a nuclear bomb.

So I'd say the chances of them attacking this year are like 99%.

If that leads to a war then I'm sure the US will eventually be dragged into it.

Nuclear weapons are a serious matter. A nuclear armed Iran seems to be a bad idea just like the Free Syrian rebels defecting to Jabhat al-Nusra, an al-Qaeda-linked group, is dangerous especially since America's involvement with arming the Free Syrian rebels through our former Benghazi diplomatic corp (NY Times news article).

Re: Obama's New Toy: US Plans for War Against Iran

I honestly don't think Iran is any more likely to use a nuclear weapon than some of the countries which have them now, including the US.

Getting them is more about it changing your status rather than planning to use them.

When was the last time Iran started a war against another country? Look it up.

Not saying I'm a fan of more countries getting nuclear weapons though... but I still think it's very hypocritical of countries which have nuclear weapons to speak of it as a crime when another country does the same.

Re: Obama's New Toy: US Plans for War Against Iran

I honestly don't think Iran is any more likely to use a nuclear weapon than some of the countries which have them now, including the US.

Getting them is more about it changing your status rather than planning to use them.

When was the last time Iran started a war against another country? Look it up.

Not saying I'm a fan of more countries getting nuclear weapons though... but I still think it's very hypocritical of countries which have nuclear weapons to speak of it as a crime when another country does the same.

There are countries, and there are countries. A country which almost openly funds terrorists who rejoice in the more blood they can spill having nuclear weapons is a bit different.

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

Re: Obama's New Toy: US Plans for War Against Iran

Originally Posted by Jack Springer

Look at how carefully they're handling this...

And then they expect someone to just drive the truck???

It reminds me of when I was on the Navy Tiger Cruise -- I had the opportunity to talk with one of the sailors who had to move the nuclear warheads around with a crane on high seas -- she said that she was a NERVOUS WRECK!!!

"Whatever you do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius and power and magic in it..." Goethe

Re: Obama's New Toy: US Plans for War Against Iran

For your information Jack it was a few greedy Icelandic banks, NOT the country, that caused the trouble. They tried to be like the U.S. and roll with the big boys, indulging in big-time corporate speculating/derivatives/futures/markets blah blah blah. When it inevitably went belly-up, the Icelandic people were as furious as anyone.

The difference between Iceland and your own country Jack is that in Iceland the government will act affirmitively based on the justifiable outrage of the populace, and both banks and government are held liable and accountable for their actions.

That is as opposed to exonerating them and rewarding them and having their lobby groups control the debate, allowing them to get away with everything and anything they want, effectively meaning they control the country.

Re: Obama's New Toy: US Plans for War Against Iran

On the whole banking thing. Our biggest mistake was being too American and not having enough regulations. And don't forget the crisis started in the US. We were almost debt free before the crisis and owe now about the same as the US (per capita). I'm sure you owe China more than we owe you (again per capita).

Last time I checked the IMF is a private institute, not the US government.

Most of the loans the government got after the crisis are being used to pay off foreign investors, not because the nation needs it. Our structure is fine, our life quality is fine (like all the Nordic countries, better than in the US) and our resources are fine.

You can ask some of military guys who served on the American base here (before you left) that I'm far from being anti-American

Re: Obama's New Toy: US Plans for War Against Iran

The department of defense is a government agency. There are a few problems with the bias that the OP wants to throw out in this post. First, the Department of Defense is a government agency, it moves at the speed of a tortoise. Second, In 2002, Northrop Grumman and Lockheed Martin were working on the development of this weapon. This means that before 2002, the contract had been finalized. So, all of the contract negotiations had been completed. Before that, the DOD had put out a request for bids. Before that, the DOD had to decide on the specifications of the weapon, it's configuration, and its capabilities. Before that, the DOD had to finalize which military organization was going to receive the new weapon. And before that, the DOD had to decide that it needed this weapon, and before that, they had to realize that there was a gap in their weaponry. Just as a rough estimate, I would say that this weapon began it's development in 2000, possibly as early as 1997. This would indicate that the weapon began it's process possibly under Bush II's first term, but more likely under Clinton's second term. If this hadn't been stalled by fiscal limitations, Bush II would have had this weapon in time to use it when he declared "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"

Re: Obama's New Toy: US Plans for War Against Iran

Who's President of the United States right now?

He has the responsibility. At some point during Obama's two terms he and you have to accept that he is responsible. He can cancel the program if he wants. He HASN'T cancelled the program or the bomb -- I'd say he was in favor of it.

In your logic we should blame the person who established the defense of America. Do you want to blame George Washington for the bomb?

Re: Obama's New Toy: US Plans for War Against Iran

Well it's a country with only two realistic options which are both owned by the same elite which gains from wars so no president is gonna dramatically turn away from the policy of regularly going to wars with new weapons even if he personally wants to.

Re: Obama's New Toy: US Plans for War Against Iran

Originally Posted by Jack Springer

Who's President of the United States right now?

He has the responsibility. At some point during Obama's two terms he and you have to accept that he is responsible. He can cancel the program if he wants. He HASN'T cancelled the program or the bomb -- I'd say he was in favor of it.

In your logic we should blame the person who established the defense of America. Do you want to blame George Washington for the bomb?

Don't be disingenuous. The President of the United States does not approve or cancel military hardware programs. If this were the case, there would be no continuity or ability to plan for the military. As I recall, it wasn't Obama who approved all those Abrams tanks that the US doesn't need. The military is virtually immune from Presidential interference.

Re: Obama's New Toy: US Plans for War Against Iran

Originally Posted by Jack Springer

Who's President of the United States right now?

He has the responsibility. At some point during Obama's two terms he and you have to accept that he is responsible. He can cancel the program if he wants. He HASN'T cancelled the program or the bomb -- I'd say he was in favor of it.

In your logic we should blame the person who established the defense of America. Do you want to blame George Washington for the bomb?

Why do you keep pretending we have an emperor rather than a president?

That and the rest of your post show you have weak knowledge and matching reasoning skills. Keep racking up the troll points....

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

Re: Obama's New Toy: US Plans for War Against Iran

Originally Posted by Laufey

Well it's a country with only two realistic options which are both owned by the same elite which gains from wars so no president is gonna dramatically turn away from the policy of regularly going to wars with new weapons even if he personally wants to.

Bingo.

If bringing peace to the world and ending hunger could bring a profit, they'd get taken care of before Christmas.

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "