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finally a manufacturer that’s attempting to stay up with the modern world. Sucks for the employees but having some experience with both the automotive industry and planning a startup with no formal model to go by, early on projections are hard to predict and early promises should be made with extreme caution

@sunfishcc meh, they got a few bright enough guys working for them, one of them is bound to figure out that they need to keep one loaded demo model for every so many miles of payment. They'll be twice as affective at that model as any gas dealership because the expense to drive the car to and from potential customers will be negligent.

As it stands now, the state of the auto/equipment industry is a largely contributes to the reasons the US and China are in a trade war. Just as one small illustration, my grandfather bought a part for a tractor disc attachment two years ago. At the time the options were $89 for the entire steel component with bearing already installed or $40 for the bearing itself and then pay the shop somewhere around $60 to $90, depending on which tech was given the job and what kind of mood the manager was in, to install it into the old steel component. This year that same piece was $200 for the assembly or $60 for the bearing $80-$110 install

@sunfishcc as far as the cost for repair on the tesla goes, I would have to see a part breakdown and average tech salary. Training cost and rate as well. The dealerships I worked for paid techs between ten/twenty percent and they avoid manufacturer specific training as much as possible. Dealerships are required a minimum amount of trained techs to get the franchise and they stall as long as they can to send someone new when the other guy finally gets tired of all the bullshit. the part guy get about 10% and the rest goes to keeping the lights on, taxes and the three guys in the dealership that are responsible for explaining to the customer why their old piece of shit will cost too much to fix and that they should instead replace it and buy a new piece of shit instead. Those being the part manager, shop manager and floor manager. A set up which most manufactures love because tech labor is flat across the board and they also pay a flat rate for the warranty work so they could...

give two shits about who's trained at the dealership as long as they don't have to cover any additional parts for a fuck up and especially when the machine is out of warranty and the customer is own their on to foot the whole bill because again, thats just more incentive to buy new... I'm going to just keep going on about this so just feel free to tell me to shut up at anytime...

@M1sf3t allumium panels are very expensive. There’re post about small panel damage results void mechanical warranty void super charger...
As I know (from YouTube) Tesla won’t provide service breakdown due to they replaced so many parts...
in New Zealand, a used Tesla from dealer cost 200,000nzd. And it’s not hard to find one on the road. My guess is rich people just don’t care🤔 probably company car, they get tax refund anyway

@sunfishcc void warranty in what respect, like thats it game over or we're just not going to cover your fender bender. the latter is pretty normal, the former somewhat too. gasoline tanks and mechanical engines are quite durable when shaken up pretty badly, batteries, not so much. And you can hook an accessory wire up wrong and blow the vehicles ecu no matter what it is do if theres any sign of the damage being near a harness or something would be risking further problems down the road.

Odds are they didn't account for any of that and it along with the additional cost of keeping electrically trained technicians handy to do the work. modern gas and diesel burners have been around quite a while and it only takes growing up around it to get an education. Thats not to say that some things haven't gotten more complicated over the years but most shops only keep one or two trained techs per equipment line and the rest work off of their childhood/juco/military education.

@sunfishcc another thing your not taking into account is that the only jobs theyre really nixing is the sales and management staff. those repairs techs will be the highest paid in their field and they will be much better off dealing directly with tesla via internet and making the flat warranty rate for themselves, than having all of that bureaucracy built on top of them. They will make more and tesla will come out cheaper. as for the rest fuck those guys, they want to sell bullshit let them join all the other fucktards doing spam internet marketing or go get real jobs. The gasoline powered automobiles have quit making advancements beyond minute increases these past few years, kinda like apple in cerain respects. But where apple has leadway on their namesake so they can take the time just pushing everything to swift, the automotive industry has to throw out their entire platform and start new. Notice all their layoffs a few years ago? The media said they rehired right?

Now suddenly you have a shift to safety and hands free shit right? So did the midterm techs and engineers that got laid off just magically learn a new technology or did they get kicked to the curb while the companies got government funding to hire college students with no job to pay back their ridiculous debt they accrued to the government to get their overly populated, overly endorsed, overly marketed degree?

I agree!! Tesla should keep the employees despite the financial situation of the company and go down and bankrupt!! The balls of this guy? Trying to go back on his promises to keep the business going?! /S

@M1sf3t the under body damage should covered by insurance as accidents. Any related damage will not cover by warranty...
The Auckland Tesla dealer just opened less than a year. And now it’s shutting down
If you take a look on their jobs in Australia, most of positions are mechanic apprentice , only require high school education. Probablybelow min pay...

@sunfishcc No manufacturer covers an accident under warranty, whether its a mechanical failure or not. Also, its usually the dealerships individual discretion as to whether they send something up as warranty or not. They're the ones to determine what happened. At least thats the way it works with every other, I haven't looked into Tesla's dealerships yet to see how they are being handled.

As far as their requirements for a starting tech, it makes since that they wouldn't be much because unless your trained by Tesla your not gonna have the first clue about how to work on one regardless of your experience. I could probably change the brakes and transmission fluid on it maybe and I've got ten 7 or 8 years of experience under my belt.

To put this in a more relevant perspective, picture doing web development pre jquery. Time consuming and not very efficient sure but everything was more or less common knowledge right? That was cars in the early days.

@sunfishcc you can think of adding jquery to site as installing a tunable carburator to the thing, catching you up to at best the 80's. In the 90's you started getting electronic fuel injection and small performance chips for tuning, your libraries, then finally they added tunable ecus to the things, which brings us to frameworks. Now with that illustration in mind, go scroll through the general rant feed and take a notice of how many ppl are bitching about having an update to this framework or that one not working now with a tool they liked using. Also count how many times people bitch about having to learn a new framework because the boss made a decision or they decided to change companies. When your done consider how many frameworks have come about in the past few years and assume that the pattern continues for another ten years. Now throw in AI and automation and you'll be close to what its like to be a tech in the auto industry right now.

@M1sf3t the point is Tesla is way fragile than gasoline cars, despite it has less moving parts.

Electric vehicles also came way earlier than gasoline production cars.
So that analogy doesn’t really apply.

But I still appreciate your effort.

With a battery life is similar to your phone, but the cost is same as a brand new Toyota Corolla...
And it runs centralised repairing centre, normal workshop can’t buy parts from Tesla and it doesn’t provide schematic diagrams (even apple does), which is definitely not advance nor matching the free open source, decentralised spirit.

Btw, it’s a luxury exotic car which I couldn’t afford. I’m still interested in the technology though, I used to be a car mechanic

@sunfishcc I think your mistaking my defense of tesla as me liking their product. I'm defending them because they're a startup company trying to make headway against an industry stacked against them. And a media too it would seem, you still really haven't addressed how every other manufacturer made a similar move to lay off its work force a few years ago and no one batted an eye about it. They're also withholding information, the same as every other vehicle manufacture in history. If I want to work on ford I can't just go to ford and get the publications I need. I have to create an account and subscribe to their dataset for forty or so dollars a day. That or get a haynes manual, which is honestly not much better than watching a youtube video in a lot of cases.

Tesla is trying to find its way and the only thing they have to go by is a dated format that does nothing but inflate the economy more and more every year.

And it doesn't matter which came first, it matters which was mass produced and profitable to train technicians on first. To further the analogy in that respect, pretend, idk, Fortran is what the electric car platform was written in and now Tesla is trying to now build and establish three, four new frameworks while at the same time trying to train enough It guys to work on them when they encounter a bug. If I had to guess Tesla is taking a loss on training and doing that so that the few they manage to catch up to speed quickly don't immediately turn around and go into business for themselves before they've had a chance to make their money back. I don't necessarily condone that approach but like a said they've been going by a dated rubric and this move is a step in the right direction. You can look for the both the cars and the training to become cheaper and easier to come by.