Comments on Faithful Bible TranslationTypePad2007-10-19T07:12:51ZJohn Hobbinshttp://ancienthebrewpoetry.typepad.com/ancient_hebrew_poetry/tag:typepad.com,2003:http://ancienthebrewpoetry.typepad.com/ancient_hebrew_poetry/2007/10/faithful-bible-/comments/atom.xml/jenny commented on 'Faithful Bible Translation'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83454e67969e2011570419b3c970b2009-04-23T00:55:56Z2009-04-23T00:55:56ZjennyHi, Could you please translate the following verse into biblical hebrew God is faithful; he will not let you be...<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Could you please translate the following verse into biblical hebrew</p>
<p>God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.<br />
BIBLE, 1 Corinthians 10:13<br />
</p>Sarah commented on 'Faithful Bible Translation'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83454e67969e2010535f31664970b2008-11-16T21:08:28Z2008-11-16T21:08:29ZSarahSimilar to the posting above, I'm looking for the reference "Hebrews 12: 1-3" translated into Hebrew for a tattoo. These...<p>Similar to the posting above, I&#39;m looking for the reference &quot;Hebrews 12: 1-3&quot; translated into Hebrew for a tattoo. </p>
<p>These are my favorite versus and since all of the wording won&#39;t fit I&#39;d like to have the reference. Thanks for any assistance that can be provided!</p>Hetty Grain commented on 'Faithful Bible Translation'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83454e67969e2010535d6be6f970b2008-11-06T09:42:02Z2008-11-06T09:42:02ZHetty GrainHi there, I am look for the biblical translation for the following Quote from Philippians 4:13 - "I can do...<p>Hi there,</p>
<p>I am look for the biblical translation for the following Quote from Philippians 4:13 - &quot;I can do everything through him who gives me strength&quot;. For a tattoo.</p>
<p>Many thanks.</p>JohnFH commented on 'Faithful Bible Translation'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83454e67969e200e54f0f5eb488342007-10-19T23:04:45Z2007-10-19T23:04:45ZJohnFHhttp://ancienthebrewpoetry.typepad.comNothing wrong with having to go to the dictionary once in awhile. A stock question I get is, "how many...<p>Nothing wrong with having to go to the dictionary once in awhile. A stock question I get is, &quot;how many languages do you know?&quot; I always reply, &quot;I&#39;m still learning English.&quot;</p>
<p>There are unnatural aspects to Alter&#39;s translation technique: Wayne pointed out the most obvious example. But his work is also chock full of felicitous renderings.</p>Peter Kirk commented on 'Faithful Bible Translation'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83454e67969e200e54efacb0988332007-10-19T22:55:30Z2007-10-19T22:55:30ZPeter Kirkhttp://www.qaya.org/blog/Thanks, John, for this summary of the debate. The claim is sometimes made that since the message of the Bible...<p>Thanks, John, for this summary of the debate.</p>
<p><i>The claim is sometimes made that since the message of the Bible is communicated if presented at the level a 6th grader can understand, then that is the level it should be translated at.</i></p>
<p>Has anyone claimed that? I certainly haven&#39;t claimed that. I simply objected that you called translations targeted at 6th graders &quot;improperly done&quot;.</p>
<p>Of course if you want to explore &quot;the full range of vocabulary the English language offers&quot; you will end up using words like &quot;prolixity&quot; which send to their dictionaries even majors in the English regiment like Lingamish.</p>
<p>From the little I have seen of Alter&#39;s translation I have not seen much “balancing naturalness with referential accuracy and phrasing it in the corresponding style”, a lot more sacrificing naturalness in order to preserve original language stylistic features.</p>J. K. Gayle commented on 'Faithful Bible Translation'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83454e67969e200e54f0f587388342007-10-19T21:58:10Z2007-10-19T21:58:10ZJ. K. Gaylehttp://speakeristic.blogspot.com/John, Wayne, Iyov, Rich, Peter, Wayne, Doug, and any of you other Bible translators: (Where) do you find yourself in...<p>John, Wayne, Iyov, Rich, Peter, Wayne, Doug, and any of you other Bible translators:</p>
<p>(Where) do you find yourself in Willis Barnstone&#39;s schema? I&#39;ve just copied it into a post: <a href="http://speakeristic.blogspot.com/2007/10/willis-barnstone-on-your-translation.html" rel="nofollow">&quot;Willis Barnstone on (Y)OUR Translation Approach&quot;</a></p>
<p>Best regards,<br />
Kurk (aka J.K. Gayle)</p>JohnFH commented on 'Faithful Bible Translation'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83454e67969e200e54efab13588332007-10-19T19:59:39Z2007-10-19T22:04:38ZJohnFHhttp://ancienthebrewpoetry.typepad.comWayne, I agree with you about Alter and his consistent translation of the Hebrew conjunction vav. It doesn't work for...<p>Wayne,</p>
<p>I agree with you about Alter and his consistent translation of the Hebrew conjunction vav. It doesn&#39;t work for me either. I don&#39;t know of any translation out there that captures the wondrous connective flow of classical Hebrew prose in a natural and consistent way. But I don&#39;t people have tried hard enough yet either.</p>
<p>I really appreciated your comments on my translation of Ps 51 in which you nudge me toward greater naturalness. It often is possible to reach a higher degree of naturalness with an extra effort.</p>
<p>Excellent translation, I find, is hard work. </p>Wayne Leman commented on 'Faithful Bible Translation'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83454e67969e200e54efaa88c88332007-10-19T19:01:43Z2007-10-19T19:01:43ZWayne Lemanhttp://englishbibles.blogspot.comWhich currently available formal equivalence or dynamic equivalence translations seek to be faithful to the stylistic choices of the original?...<p><i>Which currently available formal equivalence or dynamic equivalence translations seek to be faithful to the stylistic choices of the original?</i></p>
<p>I don&#39;t think any of the &quot;mainstream&quot; translations do. (Although in his own way, Peterson does do genre correspondence pretty well in The Message.)</p>
<p>I&#39;m not sure if Alter does this with stylistic choices or just with more limited formal features such as consistent translation of Hebrew waw by &quot;and&quot; (which I do not consider accurate, since it doesn&#39;t take into consideration the different meanings waw has in different contexts). I haven&#39;t read his translation of Psalms yet, which I need to do.</p>
<p>I hunger for a translation which is not only accurate and uses natural English, but also reflects original biblical text style. I find it very difficult to read versions which use unnatural English. I have a strongly negative visceral response to them. I *know* that it is possible to have our naturalness cake and eat it (style and accuracy), too! :-)</p>JohnFH commented on 'Faithful Bible Translation'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83454e67969e200e54f0f056a88342007-10-19T14:23:16Z2007-10-19T14:23:16ZJohnFHhttp://ancienthebrewpoetry.typepad.comJ.K., thanks very much for your comments. You seem to be an encyclopedia Brown. What a blessing to have you...<p>J.K., thanks very much for your comments. You seem to be an encyclopedia Brown. What a blessing to have you around.</p>J. K. Gayle commented on 'Faithful Bible Translation'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83454e67969e200e54f0ee9cb88342007-10-19T11:38:02Z2007-10-19T11:38:02ZJ. K. Gaylehttp://speakeristic.blogspot.comCheers to you, John, for sifting through the salient (and most critical) points of the conversation on "Faithful Bible Translation."...<p>Cheers to you, John, for sifting through the salient (and most critical) points of the conversation on &quot;Faithful Bible Translation.&quot;</p>
<p>And, yes, three cheers to the late Richmond Lattimore (translator, classicist, poet, and third culture kid born &amp; raised in China by American parents) who dared to read Homer <i><b>and</b></i> the NT writers. </p>
<p>Another as brave as Lattimore is Willis Barnstone (translator; anthologist; poet; Jewish son of Polish immigrants to America; and teacher in Greece during the Civil War, in Argentina during the Dirty War, and in China during the Cultural Revolution). Barnstone dares to read the NT as a Jew. (See first <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Poetics-Translation-History-Theory-Practice/dp/0300063008" rel="nofollow">The Poetics of Translation: History, Theory, Practice</a> and second, at least: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/New-Covenant-Willis-Barnstone/dp/1573229369/ref=sr_1_7/105-0819676-6806004?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1192793668&sr=1-7" rel="nofollow">The New Covenant Commonly Called the New Testament</a>).</p>
<p>And thanks, John, for thrice acknowledging things &quot;rhetorical&quot; in your post on &quot;Bible&quot; translation. Those of us who work on that other shore (the small society of &quot;classical rhetoric&quot;) appreciate the bridges. Whether from Aristotle or his Homer, from the NT or its LXX, from my Goldilocks monologue to yall&#39;s dialogue, I know some of us very much benefit from the wider conversations! (FYI, &quot;yall&#39;s&quot; is untranslated Texan for &quot;that belonging to or possessed by all of you&quot;).</p>
<p>helpful thoughtful post, as usual!</p>