There are tons of reasons why a Christian should not be a Mason. The fact that apostate pastors may be masons doesn't make masonry right, it makes those pastors wrong.

Christianity is a serious thing. You believe and respect Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord, you don't fool around with demon gods like Jabuhlon, you don't take oaths, you don't pledge allegiance to any brotherhood, you don't play around occultic symbols, you don't believe in false mythologies about guys being killed in the Temple. You live your life as an open book, not behind closed doors. Have you noticed that the doors of a Christian church are OPEN for all ?

And, most of all, you don't worship Lucifer.

Bondi, if you think yourself a Christian, you seriously need to re-evaluate your faith.

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No, they ring up the local Biker or Mafia chapter (Jew, Italian, Somali, Lebanese, have i missed anyone?) and they do it for them.

So now we are in league with Bikers and Mafia. The list is endless, or is it that you simple have a list and once one claim is debunked you just move onto the next one.

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May I recommend the movie "Layercake" to BONDI. A good representation of the drug dealing world in the U.K all the way up to the "bluebloods" who employ ex-SAS to do there dirty work...and lets not forget the dirty coppers.

Your offering me a film, a fiction film. :lol:

Thats like telling these guys to watch the passion of christ to find out exactly what happen to JC. :lol:

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I see BONDI you are fairly well down on the rung. So much clicked together when I learnt more of the secet societies. THANX CC!

There is only 3, if we are talking Freemasonry.

And how come you reckon someone outside can learn it, but someone on the inside cannot unless they are told. Get a grip.

Saturnino wrote:
There are tons of reasons why a Christian should not be a Mason. The fact that apostate pastors may be masons doesn't make masonry right, it makes those pastors wrong.

If objections are due to faith then there really is not argument. It is a simple statement, I do not agree with Freemasonry due to my faith, I am not going to try an tell you I know more about your faith than you do! Wish others would show the same courtesy.

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Christianity is a serious thing. You believe and respect Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord,

Wouldn't disagree with you, most Christians I have met are very devoted followers.

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you don't fool around with demon gods like Jabuhlon,

You have got to be kidding me, you are right?

God, Jahbulon, you aint bought all that Jahbulon is the name of God taught to masons have you. Thought you at least would be past that one.

Jahbulon is not used in Freemasonry.

If I remember correctly, the hoax that Masons worship a secret god named Jabulon first appeared in Hannah's anti-Masonic book "Darkness Visible".

A similar word is used in some versions of the Royal Arch as done in the York Rite, but nowhere is it claimed to be the name of a god, or a secret name of God.

You would think the secret name for a God you are supposed to worship would be categorically included in every version. I mean, you wont find a bible without JC will ya.

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you don't take oaths,

You swear, give your word, take an oath, when you get married, a christianed, baptsied or are god parents.

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you don't pledge allegiance to any brotherhood

Part of the obligation you take is to put your faith, your family, the requirements of your king/queen, and the laws of your land before Freemasonry at all times. This is part of the EA obligation, the very first time you give your word on anything.

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you don't play around occultic symbols,

Occult merely means hidden, and you find most symbols in Freemasonry in Christianity, but don;t tell me, Freemasonry uses them in an evil way and Christianity uses them in a good way.

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you don't believe in false mythologies about guys being killed in the Temple.

Freemasons don't believe that is true.

It is explained as a Masonic Myth, its a story, a fable, acted out to teach honesty and integrity.

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You live your life as an open book, not behind closed doors. Have you noticed that the doors of a Christian church are OPEN for all ?

I do live life open, as for doors of the church, the buggers are always locked in my village, and the one up the road, but I don't imagine you meant it like that.

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truebeliever wrote:And, most of all, you don't worship Lucifer.

I completely agree, it is a silly accusation and I am glad you took the trouble to make the categorical statement that I, most of all, do not worship Lucifer.

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truebeliever wrote:Bondi, if you think yourself a Christian, you seriously need to re-evaluate your faith.

When have I ever said that. True by characeristic I am probably more Christian than many that profess to be of that faith, but alas I do not claim such a thing. I have no reliance on a book written by men and a group that continually try to rule by fear. IMO only of course, I have no wish to debate the pros and cons of Christianity, you have the right to choose your path, as I do mine.

I used to deal and mix with drug dealers. I used to work in clubs and pubs. Through simple association I am good friends with the son of a died in the wool black shirt Italian Gentlemans Club member...a guy who gets his hand kissed out the back of restaurants.

I live down the road from Campbell barracks...SAS home base. These people do leave the base on occasion and scuba dive, skydive and even drink at Hillary's boat harbour.

I used to look after sex workers. THE CREME DE LA CREM of the Intelligence service informants as are Taxi drivers. One former sex worker regularly has lunch with "Royd" from ASIO...i think he's left and now works for the Department Of Transport..."G'Day Royd"! Of course, they never REALLY leave.

I happened to become friends with a guy who runs the Military Intelligence training course in Kunundra North Queensland...Wayne Prime. Nice guy and instilled a little faith in me about the character of our Military men. He was bonking my flatmate. Hav'nt spoken to him in a couple of years.

Do i care about posting this stuff? No, they tell me NO secrets, but even casual conversation yeilds info especially when I dazzle them with my knowledge on how they work and a life long love of all things military.

You are clearly on the BOTTOM rungs and have nothing to offer me in the way of information.

If you have any questions for me on the particulars of the drug trade here in Oz and the money laundering chain through the banks and brokerage houses please feel free to ask. And just what organization do the movers and shakers belong to, though not exclusively?

Please do not bullshit me on the wonders of Masonry. You need a club obviously. A "club" that demands secrecy. Already you show yourself as weak and vulnerable. I do not mean to insult. You are probably a nice guy. One of the nicest guys I ever met was a Romanian heroine dealer...i suggest you take note of Christ, YOUR Lord and saviour. "Let your yes be yes! And your no, no!" All else is rubbish and the domain of the ethically, morally and spiritually bankrupt.

Real men keep clear of belonging to secret organizations. Real men have nothing to hide. How about you?

BTW...you have quoted me on things I never posted. I dont know what you're talking about. POst #25?

You haven't asked anything, I have merely commented on your statements.

Yes, because you are far from the source.

ALL organized crime outfits have their roots in the various "business" organizations.

Some work for the Italian end who answer to the banking and brokerage houses.

Some work for the Jewish mafia outta Melbourne and in turn answer to the banking and brokerage houses.

I am just pointing out that the "nice" people in the suits and ties get the "scummy" people to do the dirty work for them. That includes the Elite such as Lord McAlpine, a Knights Templar man and sacrificial murder'er. Former Thatcher Minister and scumbag.