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Re: @Bobbys, how has Trump improved your situation?

Originally Posted by LeeG

If the sun is shining it doesn't mean it hates clouds.

The Commander-in-Chief answers him while chasing a fly
Saying, "Death to all those who would whimper and cry"
And, dropping a barbell, he points to the sky
Saying, "The sun's not yellow, it's chicken!"

Bob Dylan, Tombstone Blues

He's a Mexican. -- Donald Trump.
America cannot survive another four years of Barack Obama. -- Governor Chris Christie (R) New Jersey
It wasn't racism, it was an attack on Christianity. -- Fox News
This week, it is Robert E. Lee and this week, Stonewall Jackson. Is it George Washington next? You have to ask yourself, where does it stop?

Re: @Bobbys, how has Trump improved your situation?

Bluefin tuna is toxic...

"The consumption of predatory fish such as tuna is the main cause of mercury poisoning in humans. Symptoms of mercury poisoning include itching, pain, skin discolouration, edema and a persistently faster-than-normal heart beat. Extreme cases can cause loss of hair, nails and teeth, kidney dysfunction and memory loss"

"Of the five species, the southern bluefin tuna and the bluefin tuna are most directly threatened with extinction"

Re: @Bobbys, how has Trump improved your situation?

our bluefin is certainly disingenuous and unwilling to have an intellectually honest conversation surrounding politics
just like rod, and a bunch of other right wing trolls purporting to be from austin of late - all banned by the way
i'm done with him, waste of time. . .

Re: @Bobbys, how has Trump improved your situation?

Originally Posted by Paul Pless

our bluefin is certainly disingenuous and unwilling to have an intellectually honest conversation surrounding politics
just like rod, and a bunch of other right wing trolls purporting to be from austin of late - all banned by the way
i'm done with him, waste of time. . .

Re: @Bobbys, how has Trump improved your situation?

Originally Posted by Osborne Russell

The Commander-in-Chief answers him while chasing a fly
Saying, "Death to all those who would whimper and cry"
And, dropping a barbell, he points to the sky
Saying, "The sun's not yellow, it's chicken!"

Re: @Bobbys, how has Trump improved your situation?

I see, so little kids and orphan's are starving and you want to take the money to feed them for Yer view. .

Actually, bobbys, I live where the food grows. If you eat raisins, I can almost guarantee they came from here, for example. We need clean air to grow the food, see. And the clean water.

Also, the kids need clean air, so they don't have asthma and other breathing problems, because we are leaders in respiratory problems caused by air pollution. Especially particulate matter. We live in a big bowl, see. Valley.

Also, I regular feed, clothe, and shelter people and their kids with my own money and time. That dog won't hunt with me, fella.

Re: @Bobbys, how has Trump improved your situation?

Actually, bobbys, I live where the food grows. If you eat raisins, I can almost guarantee they came from here, for example. We need clean air to grow the food, see. And the clean water.

Also, the kids need clean air, so they don't have asthma and other breathing problems, because we are leaders in respiratory problems caused by air pollution. Especially particulate matter. We live in a big bowl, see. Valley.

Also, I regular feed, clothe, and shelter people and their kids with my own money and time. That dog won't hunt with me, fella.

Peace,
Robert

My respect only grows for you as time goes on.

"The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails."
-William A. Ward

Re: @Bobbys, how has Trump improved your situation?

Originally Posted by Canoez

Here's the thing that I never could understand - what is the downside to good environmental stewardship? It benefits us all in the long term.

Environmental regulations that led to higher fuel economy numbers are a great thing as far as I'm concerned. I went from an 8 year old car to a current version of the same vehicle this past Fall. The fuel economy increase that I'm seeing from the vehicle is about 30% - substantial. What's the down-side other than to the oil company's bottom line? Better for my pocket book, better for the environment, and ultimately better for slower consumption of a limited resource.

Kind of curious as to what car had such a dramatic improvement in fuel economy in the past eight years. There is no regulation that directly affects fuel economy for any specific model, other than the ancient gas-guzzler tax that raises the price of a handful of luxury models. The fuel-economy regulations in place are for the average economy numbers for individual manufacturers, rather than specific models. There have been some significant efficiency improvements in engine design in general, but most are nowhere near 30%. Of course, one could usually buy a car with improved fuel economy, with or without regulation, for most of the history of the auto industry. That would be a personal choice, however. Might also note that until recently, fuel economy standards weren't considered environmental regulation--they had roots in the 1970s energy crisis, when reduced fuel consumption was deemed in the national interest.

Re: @Bobbys, how has Trump improved your situation?

Originally Posted by Dan McCosh

Kind of curious as to what car had such a dramatic improvement in fuel economy in the past eight years. There is no regulation that directly affects fuel economy for any specific model, other than the ancient gas-guzzler tax that raises the price of a handful of luxury models. The fuel-economy regulations in place are for the average economy numbers for individual manufacturers, rather than specific models. There have been some significant efficiency improvements in engine design in general, but most are nowhere near 30%. Of course, one could usually buy a car with improved fuel economy, with or without regulation, for most of the history of the auto industry. That would be a personal choice, however. Might also note that until recently, fuel economy standards weren't considered environmental regulation--they had roots in the 1970s energy crisis, when reduced fuel consumption was deemed in the national interest.

Honda Civic. Went from a 2008 fuel-injected four cylinder automatic that was a 1.8 liter displacement that managed about 28 MPG on my regular to-work drive (Based on a logbook of fuel fills to miles) to a 2016 with the 1.5 liter turbo and a CVT that I'm regularly averaging about 38-40 MPG with. The 2008 EPA specs were 26 city / 34 highway. The 2016 specs were 31 city / 42 highway. I've done a few long drives that averaged almost 50 MPG with the thing. Regularly beats the EPA sticker numbers. To be honest, I was skeptical, so I started to keep a logbook of fuel fills and mileage for the new car. The car's fuel monitoring system isn't perfect, but it's within about ±1 MPG.

The thing about the new car is that the "mileage minder" which sort of changes your driving habits a bit if you pay any attention to it. So, the change in fuel economy is as much about the car and the engine as it is about the change in my driving habits. I'm far less of a lead-foot than I was with the old vehicle. I'm sure that I'd get better fuel economy out of the older Civic with the changes to my driving habits as well.

So, more efficient engine, transmission and driver.

"The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails."
-William A. Ward

Re: @Bobbys, how has Trump improved your situation?

Originally Posted by bobbys

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I see, so little kids and orphan's are starving and you want to take the money to .... .

A bunch of kids and orphans are starving, in both of our countries - or at least are really badly fed and housed. It's a travesty in each of our home countries, which are among the richest the world's ever seen.

If POTUS has signed one or another Executive Action into force since taking office which will give immediate relief while setting up for their long-term self-reliance, I've missed the announcements ... even the ones you and your friends must have helpfully linked from your preferred news sources. All I've seen so far is not encouraging - various things in the proposed budget which might cut support for food stamps or restrict what they can purchase, for home heating assistance, etc. These cuts are intended to help fund expanded funding for the military, or so we hear.

Is POTUS actually sliding new programs to feed and house children and orphans into place, and is flying so low under the radar that not even his favourable press sources know about it?

If I use the word "God," I sure don't mean an old man in the sky who just loves the occasional goat sacrifice. - Anne Lamott

Re: @Bobbys, how has Trump improved your situation?

Originally Posted by Canoez

Honda Civic. Went from a 2008 fuel-injected four cylinder automatic that was a 1.8 liter displacement that managed about 28 MPG on my regular to-work drive (Based on a logbook of fuel fills to miles) to a 2016 with the 1.5 liter turbo and a CVT that I'm regularly averaging about 38-40 MPG with. The 2008 EPA specs were 26 city / 34 highway. The 2016 specs were 31 city / 42 highway. I've done a few long drives that averaged almost 50 MPG with the thing. Regularly beats the EPA sticker numbers. To be honest, I was skeptical, so I started to keep a logbook of fuel fills and mileage for the new car. The car's fuel monitoring system isn't perfect, but it's within about ±1 MPG.

The thing about the new car is that the "mileage minder" which sort of changes your driving habits a bit if you pay any attention to it. So, the change in fuel economy is as much about the car and the engine as it is about the change in my driving habits. I'm far less of a lead-foot than I was with the old vehicle. I'm sure that I'd get better fuel economy out of the older Civic with the changes to my driving habits as well.

So, more efficient engine, transmission and driver.

Oddly, your situation typically results in a lot of complaints about not achieving the fuel-economy numbers. Turbocharging a smaller displacement engine is supposed to mean you are effectively using a smaller, more fuel-efficient engine for average driving, with the turbocharged boost available when short bursts of power are needed. This scenario is particularly effective on the highway, at speeds below when the turbo kicks in. Many folks, however, end up with their foot down and the boost up most of the time, particularly in stop-and-go driving,which upends the theory. The numbers are based on the optimistic scenario. The CVT also usually is the equivalent of a low-ratio rear end, with good highway performance. Might note that Honda has had it on the market for decades, and may didn't like it all that much due to the feel.

Re: @Bobbys, how has Trump improved your situation?

Wow. Some of you make it seem as if you wake up in some smog infested cesspool. Yet Americans are living longer than ever.
So how much more money do you think it will take for the EPA to have us breathing straight oxygen while enjoying pure water?

Re: @Bobbys, how has Trump improved your situation?

Originally Posted by Dan McCosh

Oddly, your situation typically results in a lot of complaints about not achieving the fuel-economy numbers. Turbocharging a smaller displacement engine is supposed to mean you are effectively using a smaller, more fuel-efficient engine for average driving, with the turbocharged boost available when short bursts of power are needed. This scenario is particularly effective on the highway, at speeds below when the turbo kicks in. Many folks, however, end up with their foot down and the boost up most of the time, particularly in stop-and-go driving,which upends the theory. The numbers are based on the optimistic scenario. The CVT also usually is the equivalent of a low-ratio rear end, with good highway performance. Might note that Honda has had it on the market for decades, and may didn't like it all that much due to the feel.

With the fuel minder thingie, I find that I don't put my foot down as hard or as much. Like I said, it is probably as much about the change in my driving habits. There's also a display option that lets you look at the turbo boost and I find that for most of my driving it isn't kicking in at all or for very short periods of time.

When car shopping I drove the 2.0 liter version with the CVT but without the turbo and didn't like it - it didn't seem like it could get out of its own way getting on the highway - it's probably that you don't feel the shift points with that slow, sort of linear acceleration. Drove a Nissan with the CVT and felt the same way. The 1.5 liter turbo with the CVT did just fine, however. () When you need it, it's there. Otherwise, it just sorta stays in the background.

"The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails."
-William A. Ward

Re: @Bobbys, how has Trump improved your situation?

Originally Posted by Canoez

With the fuel minder thingie, I find that I don't put my foot down as hard or as much. Like I said, it is probably as much about the change in my driving habits. There's also a display option that lets you look at the turbo boost and I find that for most of my driving it isn't kicking in at all or for very short periods of time.

When car shopping I drove the 2.0 liter version with the CVT but without the turbo and didn't like it - it didn't seem like it could get out of its own way getting on the highway - it's probably that you don't feel the shift points with that slow, sort of linear acceleration. Drove a Nissan with the CVT and felt the same way. The 1.5 liter turbo with the CVT did just fine, however. () When you need it, it's there. Otherwise, it just sorta stays in the background.

You seem to have found a car and drivetrain particularly suited to your driving habits. Many of the newer fuel-efficiency technologies tend to be much more sensitive to driving style than previous drivetrains. Hybrids and downsized turbocharged systems are particularly sensitive to driving styles and habits. Diesels not so much.