Why doesn't ea just sell gold?

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Someone I know got scammed on a gold sale last night. I've seen this so many times. Either the person reverses the paypal payment or doesn't deliver the gold.

I really had no idea it was illegal to buy or sell gold until that recent post. Every really rich person that I personally know has either bought or sold gold at one point or another. This generates a serious problem. Many of us have no desire at all to do anything wrong ever. Inflation in really bad. Gold went from 100.00 per million to whatever it is now .50 per million to .90 per million depending on whom you are and know. That pretty much establishes inflation is rampant.

What does a non-powergamer do? How do they aquire the items they need? Most people honestly do not have the time it takes to make enough gold to live a happy uo life. We routinely sell items that are above 10m gold. Some items like the Lieutenan't sash are 50m or above now. I'm not even talking about the equipment it takes to be successful in pvp. I just don't see how a normal person can buy everything they need through legit means.

EA already sells everything from experience to items. Why is gold different? It would be the most popular item in the store imo. If they sold gold for 50.00 per 100m it would do several things. First, it would remove the necessity to take a chance and buy gold from people that might scam them. Second, it would lower the amount of money people could make on gold to the point most of them would find another way to earn a living. The guy on atl we all know that is no longer much of a problem was bragging he was making a 6 figure a year profit from doing this. He's a liar. I know that. However, he'd have to sell below 50 a 100m and I think that would destroy his wholesale buying market. The economy would stabilize imo. The amount of work it would take to generate the income would no longer be worth it.

I get accused of starting flame wars or not being legit in these posts. I had no idea that fel-tram one would go like that. What do you guys think? I think this is a legit problem that could be dealt with fairly easily. Also, the more money ea makes from us the longer we're going to be able to login and play.

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There is like one or two plp at EA still that stick to the games design. Earn your way and have fun doing it. Gold is to be earned and not gotten from a vendor that turns lead to gold for a few magic beans that sparkles your credit card number. Go online and get the cheat codes for your favorite 360 game and see how long that last before it ends up at your local Game Stop.

Every D&D DM know once a player has the best of everything and is LVLed out your world building options just became worthless. And that is the state of UO. And sadly UO cannot wipe the slate clean and try again like a D&D player will accept. Whom ever is the know all do all Master making the big calls for UO needs to return to that online Hearts card game site.

I get accused of starting flame wars or not being legit in these posts. I had no idea that fel-tram one would go like that. What do you guys think? I think this is a legit problem that could be dealt with fairly easily. Also, the more money ea makes from us the longer we're going to be able to login and play.

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There is like one or two plp at EA still that stick to the games design. Earn your way and have fun doing it. Gold is to be earned and not gotten from a vendor that turns lead to gold for a few magic beans that sparkles your credit card number. Go online and get the cheat codes for your favorite 360 game and see how long that last before it ends up at your local Game Stop.

Every D&D DM know once a player has the best of everything and is LVLed out your world building options just became worthless. And that is the state of UO. And sadly UO cannot wipe the slate clean and try again like a D&D player will accept. Whom ever is the know all do all Master making the big calls for UO needs to return to that online Hearts card game site.

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Way to make a totally incoherent post that doesn't answer the OP's question or provoke discussion.

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What does a non-powergamer do? How do they aquire the items they need? Most people honestly do not have the time it takes to make enough gold to live a happy uo life. We routinely sell items that are above 10m gold. Some items like the Lieutenan't sash are 50m or above now. I'm not even talking about the equipment it takes to be successful in pvp. I just don't see how a normal person can buy everything they need through legit means.

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I am by no means a powergamer. I have also never bought for real money anything for UO other than the game itself and the expansions.

I do, however, have a "happy uo life". This is mainly because of the people I play with, none of whom I know in RL. I absolutely do not believe that you need a lot of gold to be happy playing UO. I also enjoy finding something that I want, and working towards it without spending $ on it. I still do not own a crimson cincture. Would I like one (or 3)? Hell yeah. Will I ever be able to afford to buy one? Probably not. That leaves me with working within my (albiet very limited) gaming abilities. Sooner or later, on one of the peerless that my friends let me tag along on (and heal me, and rez me, and heal me, and rez me, .........), I will eventually get a crimson cinture to drop.

In the meantime, I will keep playing uo, quite happily.

Now, as far as whether EA/Mythic selling gold themselves? I am not sure this will stabalize the market at all. If it makes more gold available to more people, I think that prices will skyrocket even more. As soon as vendors see their items selling faster as more people buy 100m, 200m, 1b, prices will rise. Why not have EA/MYTHIC sell items themselves then? They could even go so far as to design suits (embued) with specific and orderable values for everything, to include resists.

I guess to me, personally, it really doesn't matter, as I will never buy gold, and will never be able to afford most items I want in the game, at least for "Luna Prices".

All I know is that lots of people buy gold. Gold suppliers will always sell gold since they have huge reserves of it. EA would have to reduce gold prices to much lower than what you're suggesting for the impact you propose, at which point extreme inflation results and the vicious circle ensues.

Step 1: Get a Luna vendor. Not an outside-of-Luna vendor, not a Tokuno vendor, and not an anywhere but smack-dab-in-the-middle-of-the-city-vendor.
Get a vendor spot from a friend for free or rent one, whichever.
-If for some reason you think you could never get a Luna vendor, toss the items up in an auction.

Step 2: Look through all your items and see what's valuable that you don't use, and know you will never use. Find the current market price, and then sell for 30% less.

Once you're done selling all the worthless artifacts and such you'll never use, if you want a continuing flow of income:

Step 3: Identify what the most valuable item that you can acquire in the shortest amount of time is, and then get it!

Remember, knowledge is power, and in this case knowledge is gold.
uo.stratics.com and uoguide.com are your friends, find out everything you can, cross-reference information between the two sources because often one or the other is wrong.

If you do this right, and it's really not hard to do, you'll have more money than you need.

EA already sell items on their web site so they may as well sell gold too. If anyone wants the details of a very reputable, professional, fast and reliable dealer who will sell you just about anything in UO, then PM me. The shopping experience, customer service and range of products is 10 times better than that offered by EA themselves.

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Personally, I would like EA to sell a code via UOGameCodes that converts into a token that gives a menu for items. The economy doesn't need a flood of new gold added, but a means for new players or casual players to obtain artifacts would really help some folks out. For instance, I still run all of my characters without a Crimson Cincture. I have never had the good fortune of having one drop or having that much gold at one time. If I had the option of buying a token for one from EA, I would do that. Same thing with a Christmas gift to a friend in game. If EA had a token, I would buy the token to give to a friend in game.

I also think it would be a great benefit in recruiting friends from RL into the game. You could drop $20 with EA for a 5 artie token and help them get a decent suit so they can start adventuring with you sooner (rather than later).

Of course this is just my opinion, but I think EA is missing an opportunity by not offering some (not all) items for sale via tokens from their official gamecodes site.

For instance, I still run all of my characters without a Crimson Cincture. I have never had the good fortune of having one drop or having that much gold at one time. If I had the option of buying a token for one from EA, I would do that.

Step 1: Get a Luna vendor. Not an outside-of-Luna vendor, not a Tokuno vendor, and not an anywhere but smack-dab-in-the-middle-of-the-city-vendor.
Get a vendor spot from a friend for free or rent one, whichever.
-If for some reason you think you could never get a Luna vendor, toss the items up in an auction.

Step 2: Look through all your items and see what's valuable that you don't use, and know you will never use. Find the current market price, and then sell for 30% less.

Once you're done selling all the worthless artifacts and such you'll never use, if you want a continuing flow of income:

Step 3: Identify what the most valuable item that you can acquire in the shortest amount of time is, and then get it!

Remember, knowledge is power, and in this case knowledge is gold.
uo.stratics.com and uoguide.com are your friends, find out everything you can, cross-reference information between the two sources because often one or the other is wrong.

If you do this right, and it's really not hard to do, you'll have more money than you need.

I doubt it would help the UO economy at all. The brokers would continue doing whatever it is they do now to generate gold to sell and undercut EA's cost like they do now with tokens.

In addition, I suppose it's possible that real world exchange rates might throw a monkey wrench in the works as people tried to figure out which particular EA store to buy gold from and/or to avoid paying additional fees for their purchase if they live outside the US or some other region. These issues may exist now for items currently sold through the various EA online stores; but they would probably become even more visible if you add an in-game commodity like gold that would be purchased frequently and repeatedly by the same people.

Then you've got the additional stress such a service would place on the customer service area. For some reason, I just can't picture a GM trying to get away with telling you when your token doesn't work to come back and use the ATM later after he restocks it with gold....

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There you have the solution.. buy a code on the store and sell the token ingame for gold... easy... if something costs 20dollars in the store you are likely to get arround 20 million gold from someone ingame that dosnt want to pay real cash for say a transfer token or advanced char token.

There you have the solution.. buy a code on the store and sell the token ingame for gold... easy... if something costs 20dollars in the store you are likely to get arround 20 million gold from someone ingame that dosnt want to pay real cash for say a transfer token or advanced char token.

So in reality EA already sells gold for cash.

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This is very true. Although by going through the EA store to make your purchases you are getting neither the best value for money, nor the best level of customer service.

Someone I know got scammed on a gold sale last night. I've seen this so many times. Either the person reverses the paypal payment or doesn't deliver the gold.

I really had no idea it was illegal to buy or sell gold until that recent post. Every really rich person that I personally know has either bought or sold gold at one point or another. This generates a serious problem. Many of us have no desire at all to do anything wrong ever. Inflation in really bad. Gold went from 100.00 per million to whatever it is now .50 per million to .90 per million depending on whom you are and know. That pretty much establishes inflation is rampant.

What does a non-powergamer do? How do they aquire the items they need? Most people honestly do not have the time it takes to make enough gold to live a happy uo life. We routinely sell items that are above 10m gold. Some items like the Lieutenan't sash are 50m or above now. I'm not even talking about the equipment it takes to be successful in pvp. I just don't see how a normal person can buy everything they need through legit means.

EA already sells everything from experience to items. Why is gold different? It would be the most popular item in the store imo. If they sold gold for 50.00 per 100m it would do several things. First, it would remove the necessity to take a chance and buy gold from people that might scam them. Second, it would lower the amount of money people could make on gold to the point most of them would find another way to earn a living. The guy on atl we all know that is no longer much of a problem was bragging he was making a 6 figure a year profit from doing this. He's a liar. I know that. However, he'd have to sell below 50 a 100m and I think that would destroy his wholesale buying market. The economy would stabilize imo. The amount of work it would take to generate the income would no longer be worth it.

I get accused of starting flame wars or not being legit in these posts. I had no idea that fel-tram one would go like that. What do you guys think? I think this is a legit problem that could be dealt with fairly easily. Also, the more money ea makes from us the longer we're going to be able to login and play.

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Do you like to play UO ?

do you know how many people pay game time with gold?
do you know how many people in uo have 3 or more acc
and do you know how many of them pay with gold ?
people buy gold selling gold, items codes... since the beginning
THAT is UO !
i bet ,uo would today NOT exist if selling and buying gold and items was forbidden at the beginning !
remember the SA expansion,on stratics alone there was many people who bought and sold SA exp.codes !

do you know that uo was only 1 step from closing down for ever not long ago?
what do you think will happen if all the multiacc user close all the 2nd,3rd,4th or more acc? i can tell you that,the rest 10k of paying acc, would be the death of uo

you talk about economy in uo ? what you mean ?
you want rare items 1 or 10 per shard for 10k gold?
your suggestion is ea should sell 100m for 50$ ??????????????
then people will sell 100m for 40$, and NOW ?

you talk about non powergamers and what items they NEED,
why they play uo? if you can login and say give gold,give arties,would that help?
maybe we talk about 2 different games here,if uo would be like testshard,what is the reason at all to play this game?
(trust me, the 5 % real pvp player cant save uo )

scamming???????????
DONT buy from strangers,dont buy from people with 1post on stratics(SA-Exp.)
look for friends who already bought gold or codes or items, they can tell you honest brokers
you see books on the ground from trial-acc ? put them in the trash barrel !

Years ago, when this game started, your success in game was determined by SKILLS. I remember when you were rich if you made more than 10k a day in gold hunting. I remember a Smith being the richest chars in game. I remember Armor and Weapons without all the special properties, and it being a level playing field. I remember the days when a 7xGM Mage, or Provo Bard being the bomb in the field, or a Tank Mage owning the PvP arena.

When the focus on UO shifted from skills to items, I believe that was what turned alot of players off. I myself was so frustrated I quit for 3 years. The Greed in this game has made some players ruin it for the majority. OWO, EA's, and Mythic's lack of response in leveling the playing field has promoted Gold Sales, and kept the gold in the hands of the hackers who use cheats to get the Power Scrolls in Fel. Power scrolls sold and still sell for millions, and soon you worked just to buy the scrolls, and made them richer. The housing placement changes fixed a very big problem in game.

Having a reliable source of GOLD won't solve the problem, although it would bring more money into Mythic's pockets, and maybe allow them to keep the dev's working on fixing/improving this game. It would also take the rug out from under the speed hackers and cheats because if they aren't the only source for the gold in game they will move on.

I am not saying everyone who does spawns is a cheat, nor is everyone who has gold a thief. But this is a prime example of capitalism run amok. where the Richer get richer, by what ever means necessary.

UO is my hobby. I don't drink and party any more. And i can afford to spend some money on this game. I have 4 accounts, and I spend at least another $2000.00 a year buying the things that I want in game. I have bought gold, and I have a castle, a keep, and 2 18x18s loaded to the rafters. My accounts, are pretty well off. Not everyone can afford that. I have days where i might spend 12 hours in game. And days where I might not log in at all. I am retired. Some people don't have the time to level up, nor the tools to train quickly. It was hard training when you didnt know what you were doing or have the RIGHT tools, so Mythic selling gold would help people get those. But why stop there? I know someone who claims that they paid EA to put a house on a remote island that housing had not been permitted there.

The more money EA/Mythic can bring in the more they can put back into the game. This will ensure the game will stick around for longer. So I am all for it.

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100 million on any shard any day............... etc etc..... There is only ONE way those sites have copious millions and millions of UO gold for sale, and I guarantee it is NOT gained within the terms of service for UO.

ANYONE who pays real life cash for anything in this game, including gold is just part of the problem. I just hope those that do 'buy' never pancake or complain about any cheat, hack, scam etc etc as you have been supporting them in one form or another.

It is easy to make legitimate gold in UO and if you 'need' items go out and get the damn things. If your character isn't 'good' enough to fight the mobs that drop the items you HAVE to HAVE, then you have other things you should be 'doing' other than 'buying your UO experience'. Imbuing has basically taken all requirement to actually fight for anything in the way of items away, just 'make' what you want. Imbuing is UO's answer to UO the EASY WAY. Not only can you make what you want you also want to buy your gold as well? Sheesh, why bother playing.

I don't care if you only have limited time to play, earn your gold and items in the time you do have, your experience and enjoyment of UO will last an exponentially longer time than the power gamer so you actually 'win' in the long run.

I have heard every single excuse for why it is 'ok' to BUY your game bling. Sorry none of them 'cut it'. Buying gold = supporting cheats.

im on both sides of the fence with this one
pro's
eliminates the "middle man" (websites,gold farmers,dupers)
genrates more revenue for EA (possibly for other areas i.e. dev's,maint.)
makes things easy to attain that werent before

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When the focus on UO shifted from skills to items, I believe that was what turned alot of players off. I myself was so frustrated I quit for 3 years. The Greed in this game has made some players ruin it for the majority. OWO, EA's, and Mythic's lack of response in leveling the playing field has promoted Gold Sales, and kept the gold in the hands of the hackers who use cheats to get the Power Scrolls in Fel. Power scrolls sold and still sell for millions, and soon you worked just to buy the scrolls, and made them richer. The housing placement changes fixed a very big problem in game.

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My feelings.
I think the change from a heavily skill based game to item based and the monopolies allowed for Power Scrolls killed the game for me and many of the players I used to play with.

The game changed so drastically with those changes, and not into a game I enjoyed any longer like I used to.

I am still waiting to see Ultima Online come back to the game I used to play and enjoy.
After so many years of waiting and waiting, though, my hope to see the early UO I used to like come back, is really fading away........

I have heard every single excuse for why it is 'ok' to BUY your game bling. Sorry none of them 'cut it'. Buying gold = supporting cheats.

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Not everyone that sells gold cheats to get it. You may not like that people sell it, but saying they're all cheaters because of your personal opinion on the matter is pretty juvenile, and unfair to the honest players that just have more time to play than you or others do. I've made somewhere in the neighborhood of 750 million gold over this past year, and every single gold coin was earned without duping or scripting. It's not hard to do if you have the time and the knowledge to do so.

Not everyone that sells gold cheats to get it. You may not like that people sell it, but saying they're all cheaters because of your personal opinion on the matter is pretty juvenile, and unfair to the honest players that just have more time to play than you or others do. I've made somewhere in the neighborhood of 750 million gold over this past year, and every single gold coin was earned without duping or scripting. It's not hard to do if you have the time and the knowledge to do so.

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Careful, if you point out the inherent logical contradictions in someone's argument, they'll accuse you of being a hacker, scripter, unattended macroer, duper, and baby-killer.

I've never sold or bought anything in this game... it's highly against my principles... I fought for this for years.

Noone listens. The market value of the duped gold is so high EA had to shut up and let it go... or face a few hacker psychopaths who want to bomb their serverfarms...

Think about it... millions USD per year...

My history in UO ended as a seer character who was against this, and then everyone forgot about it. Literally and figuratively, when I stepped in the story, EA brough the game with what I call duped RL money ; then they created a disclaimer that further protects gold dupers and sellers.

I'm the violated child in that story, I was 14 yo and they took my playground away from me, made a game out of it. It still makes me cry to this day. This is also why I casted armageddon on the atlantic shard and destroyed it, sheer frustration. Not everyone forgot about that part however and I'm happy , cause it was a wild night

Which is kind of ironic as supporting cheats supports UO. If every duper, scripter, farmer and speedhacker left UO then the population would drop through the floor and bye bye UO. I'm all for the cheats ... although I dont do it myself, I happily buy their stuff. \in doing so I am supporting UO

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I have heard every single excuse for why it is 'ok' to BUY your game bling. Sorry none of them 'cut it'. Buying gold = supporting cheats.

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Not everyone that sells gold cheats to get it. You may not like that people sell it, but saying they're all cheaters because of your personal opinion on the matter is pretty juvenile, and unfair to the honest players that just have more time to play than you or others do. I've made somewhere in the neighborhood of 750 million gold over this past year, and every single gold coin was earned without duping or scripting. It's not hard to do if you have the time and the knowledge to do so.

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You prove my point, in 12 months you have made 750 mil, well done, good on you! That is enough for 1-10 "average" gold trades a year. This from someone who puts in a 'lot' of hours, as you say, who has the 'time' and 'knowledge' look what you can do! This is NOT enough to supply ONE trade of 75 mil on each shard just ONE TIME in a year.

We are NOT talking about an individual A selling 10 mil or whatever amount of gold to individual B. On that basis any individual can sell gold obtained legitimately. We are talking about WEBSITES that sell gold/items to players, 24/7 365 days of the year, on every shard. Are you sure you didn't post just to inflate your ego on your amass of 750 mil in a yr? A 'look' how good am I post?

I have never used cheats, scripts, dupes etc, and I think would be considered one of the most honest people on my shard. I have well over that amount of gold and items, this is not a pissing contest about who has what. I KNOW how to make gold and frankly as I retired early I also can play 24/7 if I want to. I currently make a few mil a week and I am hardly playing. If I decided to play actively again, I could make well over 500 mil or so a year easily, but would that be enough to be a 'gold seller' to UO players and run a 'service' to supply 24/7. NO CHANCE IN HELL.

So, seeing as how you say it is so 'easy' to do, without using cheats, please tell me, how you will supply ten (10) people when they come to you tomorrow and want 50 mil each, how you are going to do it? (This is not a 'lot' when it comes to what people 'want' in the way of gold. I have known people who have bought 500mil gold off a gold seller in a single transaction, just to buy castles or Luna spots on some shards) You hand out your 500 mil to those 10 people ......... only you can only do it on the one shard remember, as you used your 'main' characters to collect this in your year of game play, now go and supply another 50 million on Oceania, Yamoto, LS, and the 'other' 14 or so shards, just do one trade for 50 mil on each shard a day, how about one trade a WEEK. You couldn't in any way even do one trade a MONTH could you?

So ok, pretty impossible, now add in the fact that you will/can also supply castles and houses of all shape and description on nearly every shard. Hmmm guess what they didn't 'sell' them to get their gold did they? Oh and while your at it supply an unlimited amount of barbed and other runic kits.... again they didn't 'sell' them to earn their gold. I can go on. Any item or kit or powerscroll/statscroll is available 24/7 on any shard at any time from these 'legit' players............. pah-lease............. you call me 'juvenille'?

So OK, you say you aren't in the 'business' of supplying unlimited gold, items, tokens, powerscrolls etc etc on EACH and EVERY shard but you 'could' if you wanted to. Please tell me without automated bots or using dupes or other illegal scripts exactly how you would 'supply' what just ONE of these sites can supply?

A group of friends all working together? .... splitting the profits? Lots (hundreds) of players all donating their legitimately gained gold to the webhosts at 50c a mil for resale at 99c per mil? I think you would need at least 30-40 people playing LEGITIMATELY at least 40 hpw around the clock 24/7 and MAYBE you might get slightly 'near' what these sites supply on ONE shard. So OK, you can use transfer tokens to supply the 'others' as long as you had a ready supply of these.

You may wish to argue that perhaps some of these sites don't actually 'have' all the items they sell but use the items on 'vendors' around the shards to 'supply'. So Mr Smith on Great Lakes shard wants a Archdemon Statue, there is one on a vendor on Pacific, they will supply it to Mr Smith for 49.99, their character on that shard with its millions buys it off the vendor and they transfer it to GL etc etc. How is it they know what is for sale on vendors on any shard at any given time............. YOU GUESSED IT. They used an illegal scripted bot to wander round the Luna rim to 'gather' that info on every shard.

I think it would be safe to say your naivety astounds me so hardly think you should be calling me juvenile.

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Siteswap: If every duper, scripter, farmer and speedhacker left UO then the population would drop through the floor .....

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Are you serious? Most scripters/dupers never pay for an account, it doesn't take much to open 'free' accounts and get your bots/dupers running. Soon as they get caught or banned, just delete and restart another. Same as the characters promoting these sites in game, you as well as I know the boards have been full of this recently. People putting the same character on ignore upwards of 20 or more times. These cheats do NOTHING to support UO. By supporting them as you say you LIKE to do you do NOTHING to support UO at all. Get Serious.

Anyways. I am interested Connor_Graham on how, without cheating, and by staying clearly within the TERMS of SERVICE for UO, you think you could supply the same 'service' as these cancerous websites. Please, do tell, your obviously 'mature' enough to 'know' how it is done.

Im all for going back to GM Weps and armors without the special properties. I am all for limiting skills to 100. However it aint never going to happen.

Going away from Dependency on skills towards dependency on items ruined the game for me.

RNG and LUCK is so broken it is not even funny.

Doing Fel spawns on Atlantic is a joke unless you belong to PVP guild, and you dont do the spawn, you raid one that has been done for you. I am seriously thinking about transferring a char to the Jap shards for fel spawns.

I rock spawns. All day long. With any of 12 developed chars. Tamer/mage/weaver, Mage/bard, tamer pally archer, Necro Mage Weaver, etc... but on atlantic, if you take more than 10 mins to do a spawn and kill champ you are raided. My sampire can take a beating but when you get three reds on ya using hacks and uber equipment it is hard for one char to stay alive. and they hunt in the same way a pack of wild dogs do. They pick one char kill him, and keep going. Its never one on one. Its three or 4 on one.

How do they fix the problem? Put power scrolls on the champs in Ilshenar. Don't make it where the only place to get them is in FEL where you have to deal not only with the spawn but with the PVP guilds. Ganking i think is the biggest reason people avoid fel. Cause if you do manage to take out one red... 4 more show up in a matter of mins to kill you.

Im all for going back to GM Weps and armors without the special properties. I am all for limiting skills to 100. However it aint never going to happen.

Going away from Dependency on skills towards dependency on items ruined the game for me.

RNG and LUCK is so broken it is not even funny.

Doing Fel spawns on Atlantic is a joke unless you belong to PVP guild, and you dont do the spawn, you raid one that has been done for you. I am seriously thinking about transferring a char to the Jap shards for fel spawns.

I rock spawns. All day long. With any of 12 developed chars. Tamer/mage/weaver, Mage/bard, tamer pally archer, Necro Mage Weaver, etc... but on atlantic, if you take more than 10 mins to do a spawn and kill champ you are raided. My sampire can take a beating but when you get three reds on ya using hacks and uber equipment it is hard for one char to stay alive. and they hunt in the same way a pack of wild dogs do. They pick one char kill him, and keep going. Its never one on one. Its three or 4 on one.

How do they fix the problem? Put power scrolls on the champs in Ilshenar. Don't make it where the only place to get them is in FEL where you have to deal not only with the spawn but with the PVP guilds. Ganking i think is the biggest reason people avoid fel. Cause if you do manage to take out one red... 4 more show up in a matter of mins to kill you.

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Wow, I think the only thing you didn't blame for getting ganked was global warming.

AS to how to come by gold easily and legitamately in game? One IDOC can make you rich. In a month I made close to 800 mil on my vendor off of stuff found at an idoc.

I havent restocked my vendor in some time because it aint about the gold. Not to me. Its about hunting with friends, and having fun. I have the stuff i need in game. And I give away more than I keep.

The average player will never have the stuff i have. The average player has a job, kids, spouse that take up their time. yes, I started the game with nothing. I had friends show me the game, and help me learn how to train. I quit and gave away my account for some time.

I came back, starting over on a new shard. Within a week I had a 7x GM Warrior, and millions in gold in the bank. The next week I had a 7XGM Mage and more gold in the bank. Now to cap out a mage, you need about 40 mil for the power scrolls. Another 40 mil for the armor. You have items in game that cost 60 mil plus for sale all the time.

I can kill mobs with 1500 gold on them each in seconds.. one right after the other. It will take 667 of those to make a mil. And 13340 of them to make enough for a +20 Magery ps.

Until they level the playing field. They need to make it easier for new people to obtain scrolls and armor. Selling gold from Mythic would do that.

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There is a BIIIIG difference between the amount of gold a player can make legitimately and the amount of gold that is created by the game. When you sell an item on a vendor, you are not creating any new gold, you are simply transferring gold from one character to another.

When you kill a mob in PvM, open an SOS chest, or turn in a BOD, THEN you are actually creating gold legitimately ingame.

Why is this a big difference?

First assume the below is done within the rules of the game, no exploiting, duping or scripting, we'll get to that afterwards.

Simple. A player could "make" hundreds of millions of gold if not billions of gold in a single day assuming the right items sell. The likelyhood that someone can create the amount of gold that a well stocked high end Luna vendor can "make" is slim to none.

Now, duping on the other hand creates gold from nothing (effectively, once you subtract the original stack). This throws the game balance off and has for over a decade (that and the absence of useful gold sinks).

If EA/Mythic were to start selling gold, they would be doing the same thing, creating gold to meet the demand of their orders. Yes, they get the money, but it is done at the expense of the game in the exact same way that dupers who sell gold do. So, in effect, the outcome is the same regardless if it is a duper or EA/Mythic selling gold.

This is why I'm against EA/Mythic selling gold and against dupers and want them shut down as well.

If done properly all gold selling would do is transfer already legitimately created gold from player A to player B. EA/Mythic would break that propriety and they know it. That is why you'll never see them sell ingame gold for cash.

You can't sell gold without making the game as a whole worse.
But you have to fix so damn much in this game to make the alternative work...that they just aren't going to **** off that many players to do it.

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The company cannot, players can, assuming they are doing it without resorting to duping or exploiting to obtain the supply.

However by the same token, the support staff have to be on the ball banning and removing people who dupe and exploit and the devs and engineers need to be on top of dupes and exploit loopholes in order to close them to nmaintain the natural state of gold "flow".

Granted, this is all theoretical, however, I simply disagree with the blanket statement that selling gold = bad.

CREATING gold outside of the legitimate norms = Bad regardless of what is done with it afterwards.

OK.. you want price control? Have mythic open a vendor house in Luna.. With every Artifact, resource and power scroll for sale at reasonable and affordable prices. Instead of Power Scrolls costing 20 Mil plus, sell for 2 mil. CC's for 2 mil, AOF for 1 mil, Ornies for 5 mil. etc...

You might say that takes the rarity out of items. Well after 10 years there are a lot of Ornies out there. I have 5.

You kill duping. You control pricing. You kill the need for hackers to run fel spawns.

Just like the housing placement changes put more affordable housing on the market for the average player, doing this will circumvent cheaters. The rampant duping and cheating led to the position we are today driving prices to such high levels out of reach for the average or beginning player.

It should not be about the ITEMS, but about the game play experience. Being able to go hunt because now you have a trained char and good equipment. In the old days, that was the thrill of the game. Now it is about what you can afford. New players will still have to train, but it will be possible for them to do so since they can get what they need at a reasonable price. Or have Mythic set pricing for items and keep that out of the hand of the players.

If you dont want NPC vendors selling Power scrolls, put them on Ilshenar champs. They will become more abundant, and therefore cheaper.

The company cannot, players can, assuming they are doing it without resorting to duping or exploiting to obtain the supply.

However by the same token, the support staff have to be on the ball banning and removing people who dupe and exploit and the devs and engineers need to be on top of dupes and exploit loopholes in order to close them to nmaintain the natural state of gold "flow".

Granted, this is all theoretical, however, I simply disagree with the blanket statement that selling gold = bad.

CREATING gold outside of the legitimate norms = Bad regardless of what is done with it afterwards.

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I was talking about UO selling gold to players.
I pretty much agree with what you have been saying about this. I don't like the idea of players selling gold at any level, but I accept it because the alternatives, the kinds of code that would be required to stop it, would take away UO's biggest asset, the "worldly" freedom that we enjoy. So I accept it.
And I agree that the cheats need to be stopped, crushed.

As a side note, the infamous and notorious Lum The Mad is now working for NCSoft laying down the law on cheaters, etc.

"Recently I’ve seen notes in a few places that referenced this post where I noted that I had been hired by NCsoft on a short-term contract to work with their Game Surveillance Unit, which has been doing a number on botters and RMTers and the like."

I have heard every single excuse for why it is 'ok' to BUY your game bling. Sorry none of them 'cut it'. Buying gold = supporting cheats.

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Not everyone that sells gold cheats to get it. You may not like that people sell it, but saying they're all cheaters because of your personal opinion on the matter is pretty juvenile, and unfair to the honest players that just have more time to play than you or others do. I've made somewhere in the neighborhood of 750 million gold over this past year, and every single gold coin was earned without duping or scripting. It's not hard to do if you have the time and the knowledge to do so.

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You prove my point, in 12 months you have made 750 mil, well done, good on you! That is enough for 1-10 "average" gold trades a year. This from someone who puts in a 'lot' of hours, as you say, who has the 'time' and 'knowledge' look what you can do! This is NOT enough to supply ONE trade of 75 mil on each shard just ONE TIME in a year.

We are NOT talking about an individual A selling 10 mil or whatever amount of gold to individual B. On that basis any individual can sell gold obtained legitimately. We are talking about WEBSITES that sell gold/items to players, 24/7 365 days of the year, on every shard. Are you sure you didn't post just to inflate your ego on your amass of 750 mil in a yr? A 'look' how good am I post?

I have never used cheats, scripts, dupes etc, and I think would be considered one of the most honest people on my shard. I have well over that amount of gold and items, this is not a pissing contest about who has what. I KNOW how to make gold and frankly as I retired early I also can play 24/7 if I want to. I currently make a few mil a week and I am hardly playing. If I decided to play actively again, I could make well over 500 mil or so a year easily, but would that be enough to be a 'gold seller' to UO players and run a 'service' to supply 24/7. NO CHANCE IN HELL.

So, seeing as how you say it is so 'easy' to do, without using cheats, please tell me, how you will supply ten (10) people when they come to you tomorrow and want 50 mil each, how you are going to do it? (This is not a 'lot' when it comes to what people 'want' in the way of gold. I have known people who have bought 500mil gold off a gold seller in a single transaction, just to buy castles or Luna spots on some shards) You hand out your 500 mil to those 10 people ......... only you can only do it on the one shard remember, as you used your 'main' characters to collect this in your year of game play, now go and supply another 50 million on Oceania, Yamoto, LS, and the 'other' 14 or so shards, just do one trade for 50 mil on each shard a day, how about one trade a WEEK. You couldn't in any way even do one trade a MONTH could you?

So ok, pretty impossible, now add in the fact that you will/can also supply castles and houses of all shape and description on nearly every shard. Hmmm guess what they didn't 'sell' them to get their gold did they? Oh and while your at it supply an unlimited amount of barbed and other runic kits.... again they didn't 'sell' them to earn their gold. I can go on. Any item or kit or powerscroll/statscroll is available 24/7 on any shard at any time from these 'legit' players............. pah-lease............. you call me 'juvenille'?

So OK, you say you aren't in the 'business' of supplying unlimited gold, items, tokens, powerscrolls etc etc on EACH and EVERY shard but you 'could' if you wanted to. Please tell me without automated bots or using dupes or other illegal scripts exactly how you would 'supply' what just ONE of these sites can supply?

A group of friends all working together? .... splitting the profits? Lots (hundreds) of players all donating their legitimately gained gold to the webhosts at 50c a mil for resale at 99c per mil? I think you would need at least 30-40 people playing LEGITIMATELY at least 40 hpw around the clock 24/7 and MAYBE you might get slightly 'near' what these sites supply on ONE shard. So OK, you can use transfer tokens to supply the 'others' as long as you had a ready supply of these.

You may wish to argue that perhaps some of these sites don't actually 'have' all the items they sell but use the items on 'vendors' around the shards to 'supply'. So Mr Smith on Great Lakes shard wants a Archdemon Statue, there is one on a vendor on Pacific, they will supply it to Mr Smith for 49.99, their character on that shard with its millions buys it off the vendor and they transfer it to GL etc etc. How is it they know what is for sale on vendors on any shard at any given time............. YOU GUESSED IT. They used an illegal scripted bot to wander round the Luna rim to 'gather' that info on every shard.

I think it would be safe to say your naivety astounds me so hardly think you should be calling me juvenile.

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Siteswap: If every duper, scripter, farmer and speedhacker left UO then the population would drop through the floor .....

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Are you serious? Most scripters/dupers never pay for an account, it doesn't take much to open 'free' accounts and get your bots/dupers running. Soon as they get caught or banned, just delete and restart another. Same as the characters promoting these sites in game, you as well as I know the boards have been full of this recently. People putting the same character on ignore upwards of 20 or more times. These cheats do NOTHING to support UO. By supporting them as you say you LIKE to do you do NOTHING to support UO at all. Get Serious.

Anyways. I am interested Connor_Graham on how, without cheating, and by staying clearly within the TERMS of SERVICE for UO, you think you could supply the same 'service' as these cancerous websites. Please, do tell, your obviously 'mature' enough to 'know' how it is done.

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Wow.

You- Buying gold = Supporting Cheats

Me- Not everyone that sells gold cheats to get it

You- Ramble incoherently about anything and everything EXCEPT the point that I made.

Note that not once in my original response did I make reference to, OR inference to, any gold selling website.

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You- Ramble incoherently about anything and everything EXCEPT the point that I made.

Note that not once in my original response did I make reference to, OR inference to, any gold selling website.

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Ha ha whatever, seems you are unable to do what you say I should do. Nowhere in your so called response to MY original post, where, I note you started with the name calling, did YOU address what I was discussing...... ie buying gold from GOLD SELLING SITES as a direct response to the comments siteswap was saying regarding websites selling in-game gold/items for cash. Nowhere in my post did I say 'anyone who sells gold cheats to get it' that is YOU misquoting ME kiddo.

100 million on any shard any day............... etc etc..... There is only ONE way those sites have copious millions and millions of UO gold for sale, and I guarantee it is NOT gained within the terms of service for UO.

ANYONE who pays real life cash for anything in this game, including gold is just part of the problem. I just hope those that do 'buy' never pancake or complain about any cheat, hack, scam etc etc as you have been supporting them in one form or another.

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(Notice the bolded words.)

My comment that buying gold/item from these places means you are dealing with cheats and are just part of the problem stands true.

Your initial response did not relate at ALL to my post. Nowhere did I say that "everyone that sells gold cheats to get it." But that anyone who buys gold off these sites (in my view quite CLEAR what I was talking about considering in the first three lines I talk about 'sites' 'gold brokers' and 'those sites' not INDIVIDUALS nor anyone who ever sells anything on a limited ad hoc basis) is dealing with cheats.

Put whatever spin you want on it, it won't make you correct. Someone who 'sells gold' once a year, or when and if they have a few mils spare or are selling account is NOT the same thing as a recognized 'gold seller' someone who sells gold on a permanent and advertised basis.

Still waiting for you to tell me how these sites, what I was talking about, do it all legitimately. If your going to sling names etc then at least MAKE A POINT as you didn't make one to start with, other than to misquote me and then RAMBLE on about how great you are that you can make 750 mil which has nothing to do with the topic nor the contents of MY initial post. I guess the fact you find it difficult to read more than a paragraph or two without falling asleep tells me all I really need to know.

Heh sounds like the "someone" you know is YOU. Guess ya had to resort to buying gold after ya spent everything you owned buying a castle? Personally IMHO if you buy gold for $$ period you deserve whatever you get for dealing with the sleeze that sell UO gold. As far as i'm concerned if you sell UO Gold you are SLEEZE period. I've never bought or sold gold for RL $ I never will. People who do engage in this activity will get what they deserve looks like you got yours. To bad so sad i'll play a mini violin in your honor or is that dishonor?

Heh sounds like the "someone" you know is YOU. Guess ya had to resort to buying gold after ya spent everything you owned buying a castle? Personally IMHO if you buy gold for $$ period you deserve whatever you get for dealing with the sleeze that sell UO gold. As far as i'm concerned if you sell UO Gold you are SLEEZE period. I've never bought or sold gold for RL $ I never will. People who do engage in this activity will get what they deserve looks like you got yours. To bad so sad i'll play a mini violin in your honor or is that dishonor?

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