As I said, there just isn't a market for it yet. The disc brake roadie is only just starting to get traction (so to speak) and really the main reason you get discs is to get stopping power for a lot of weight. If you're only 65 kiloes, you aren't really the same as the lads at 100kgs perhaps with some gear in the panniers. I like my discs, sure, but I actually wanted them to ensure I could stop with 40kgs of baby trailer/seat in the wet plus the bike and me. It's got to be pretty wet (genuine drizzle) before I think it makes a real difference.

You could get someone to build a steel roadie to meet your specs fairly easily, just wouldn't be 1700 bucks at your door

AndrewBurns wrote:Maybe somebody knows if my ideal commuter bike is already out there or if parts of it exist (primarily the frame)?

My ideal commuter bike:

- Has drop handlebars- Has disk brakes- Weighs less than 10kg including rack and mudguards- Has a rack with rack-top bag and mudguards- Conventional gearing probably preferred assuming IGH's would be too heavy/not work with drop-bar brifters- 700c x 25 minimum

As some back story I'm currently commuting on my carbon road bike which weigh's 8.5kg and has 25c tyres. I love how fast it is, I love the drop bars and it's light enough to just barely get up the big hill on the way to work (up to 20% grade). I don't love that it doesn't have mudguards or a rack because that means the groupo gets covered in dirt in the rain and I have to carry a backpack. I also have a super crappy steel hybrid which does have a rack and mudguards but I find the flat bar upright nature of it too slow and at around 18kg all up it's just too heavy to make it up the hill.

I'm not really looking to buy at this point but I'm certainly keeping an eye out for something that ticks all the boxes, especially if it doesn't cost the earth (such as a custom Ti jobby might).

My commuter. As pictured, weight comes in at 12.2kg, even with a Ti frame and a Ti rack that weighs almost nothing.

Most of the weight goes into the Disc Brakes and the Tyres (which are 740g each!). SRAM Apex group eats 25% hills for breakfast, even with loaded panniers.

I just built up a Surly Cross Check to be my main commuter. No it's not sub 10kg. Closer to 12. No it doesn't have disc brakes, but I'm 88kg and ride it in the wet. It pulls up fine with caliper brakes. But it has been called the Swiss Army of bikes. You can add just about anything to the Surly frame. Panniers, mudguards, run it as a track or fixie etc. I'm running it with Shimano 105, 50/34 up front and 12/28 rear cassette. I run 700x37s and pump along the highway happily at 32-34. I also jump median strips, ride through grass reserves, nip along single tracks and fly along dirt roads. And I've pushed it up 17% grade no probs. But then so do all the other CXs already shown. I just like steel.

Giant TCR Adv 0 Di2SE Draft Lite SSFelt Dispatch SSSurly Cross Check CXFuji Nevada 3.0 MTBEvery time I see an adult on a bicycle, I no longer despair for the future of the human race. H G Wells

technically so do we, and have to pay $3 a day for cars. that didn't stop a heap of cars getting broken into and the company that owns the place saying, oh its not our problem, and no the security cameras don't work in the staff car park.

Financial value is irrelevant, practical value is paramount. For the rider with only a bike for transport, theft or vandalism means a damn sight more than it does for the bloke who can call the other half out in the comfy SUV.

Having had bikes stolen before, I recall the feeling of guttedness that comes from finding fresh air where the scoot once reposed. I would happily sign an "Execute all bike thieves on sight" petition without the slightest qualm.

...whatever the road rules, self-preservation is the absolute priority for a cyclist when mixing it with motorised traffic.London Boy 29/12/2011

I don't know about you, but to me $400 is a fair bit of cash, we can't all afford expensive bikes. If it goes missing I will have to save for a while to be able to replace it.

If that ammount of money means so little to you how about i send you my address and you send me $400.

so how much should personal property be worth before someone should not want it stolen?

Don't get me wrong, I can't afford to lose any bikes, and I had to sell a car to get my Honky Inc - my point is simply that if you can't afford to take a controlled, measured risk with a 400 dollar bike, then you might need to give up cycle commuting and catch a train. Or walk... you get my point. I am fortunate to have reasonable parking facilities at work, and I intend on locking up my bike in the garage at home soon too. But I simply wouldn't do it if I could not expect the Honk to be there every day.

Little cheaper than the Merida CX bike (even factoring in shipping, including current specials) with a mix of Apex and 105 compared to mostly 105, seems to have slightly better wheels though and a carbon fork. Not so crash hot about the BB5 disk brakes, they seem to get universally bad reviews when compared to the BB7's. Boardman also do a CX bike with the same frame and fork but BB7 brakes and SRAM Force groupo but it's $350 more and while that probably makes it a better deal I don't think I'd pay that much for a commuter bike.

Thoughts? I really don't need to buy another bike right now *repeat ad-nauseum*

I don't know about you, but to me $400 is a fair bit of cash, we can't all afford expensive bikes. If it goes missing I will have to save for a while to be able to replace it.

If that ammount of money means so little to you how about i send you my address and you send me $400.

so how much should personal property be worth before someone should not want it stolen?

Don't get me wrong, I can't afford to lose any bikes, and I had to sell a car to get my Honky Inc - my point is simply that if you can't afford to take a controlled, measured risk with a 400 dollar bike, then you might need to give up cycle commuting and catch a train. Or walk... you get my point. I am fortunate to have reasonable parking facilities at work, and I intend on locking up my bike in the garage at home soon too. But I simply wouldn't do it if I could not expect the Honk to be there every day.

Yep, I am glad we understand each other. Paranoia ruins lives. You can't control everything, so why bother trying?

AB, don't stress too much about the brakes. Any disc brake will be pretty good, if you decide you want more, just upgrade. I bought the Honky Inc expecting BB7s and it came with Shimano discs. Try to remember that some people have VERY different expectations about performance. I bet a lot of BB5 haters are comparing them to top line hydraulic 185mm MTB discs, and of course they will suck in comparison. I was disappointed I didn't get BB7s, but I'm still using the Shimanos. No point in upgrading when the brakes pull up.

Get the upgraded bike, it will be better in the long term. You are saving hundreds by riding each year. You'll have "saved" this money to your bank account within 6 months. Don't stress.

Little cheaper than the Merida CX bike (even factoring in shipping, including current specials) with a mix of Apex and 105 compared to mostly 105, seems to have slightly better wheels though and a carbon fork. Not so crash hot about the BB5 disk brakes, they seem to get universally bad reviews when compared to the BB7's. Boardman also do a CX bike with the same frame and fork but BB7 brakes and SRAM Force groupo but it's $350 more and while that probably makes it a better deal I don't think I'd pay that much for a commuter bike.

Thoughts? I really don't need to buy another bike right now *repeat ad-nauseum*

The BB5's are not all that bad. I am 120kgs and they pull me up fine every time. They do require some adjusting but its not too painfull. So far 6000kms on the front pads and the rears lasted 5700kms.

Xplora wrote: I bought the Honky Inc expecting BB7s and it came with Shimano discs.

Me too! What's with that?!I bought mine off spec. without seeing the bike first, and I'd specifically asked the bike shop if it matched the specs on the kona website BB7's etc and he said yes! When it didn't arrive with them he promptly posted me a set without complaint/argument. Now I'm wondering if all of them came with changed brakes!

Hauso, if it's 2010, it definitely did just come with Shimmies. Espresso had the same problem. I think he went to BB7s as well. I brake, I can't see the point of upgrading when my only braking problems are stretched cables.

So maybe all the whinging about the BB5's is hot air, makes it harder to differentiate between the two Boardman CX bikes. Basically for $350 more you get SRAM force parts instead of apex and avid BB7 brakes instead of BB5. I suppose that the difference would be in the quality of the running gear (how nicely it actuates, how long it lasts) and the quality of the brakes (although it seems BB5's are probably fine the BB7's get much better press). I've never used SRAM stuff, how does Force compare to Apex? I don't give a damn about it being a few grams less, but does it last longer or work more reliably? Being a commuter it's going to get rained on and used a lot, if the extra money was going to actually give an increase in life or time between maintenance it would be worth it...

Wow you should be a politician, you went from having a go at me to concern about my mental state.

bravo!

PB, I couldn't ride to work if I was that worried about being hit by a car, or falling off, or having the bike pinched. I would be incapacitated. So yeah, I'm concerned for you. I'm concerned all people that aren't my sworn enemies

AB, Force is to Ultegra as Apex is to 105/Tiagra? I would definitely spend the extra money, it's really not much extra for a much better groupset.

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