By Phranziska, I mean Phoenix x Franny. This is my favorite pairing EVER. [thus you know that I was all over the scene where Phoenix gave Franziska the tulips in Hotti Clinic.]However, there is a disturbing lack of fanart of them. So post all the art you've found of Phoenix/Franziska. http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/580 ... _scale%3A5This is the only one i've found.

Well, Franziska hates his guts, for one. Like, really badly. Moreso then Edgeworth. So I guess its because of the theory that it'll never be canon and work out. But I personally like it, anyway. *nods*

One of the links in the links section, the PhoeFran fansite, turned me into a het-fan for a day and it felt nice. =D

Phoenix never gave Franziska tulips. She said that to make him feel uncomfortable about being there. Why would he get tulips if he said he never wanted to go?

Yes he did. I just replayed the case, he did indeed bring tulips. Also, Phoenix had planned to go but when Gumshoe showed up saying he should let Franziska whip him for a while he said he didn't want to go anymore.

I don't really have anything in particular against the couple, but it doesn't really work for me.

One of the reasons is that since Fran is a tsundere--Manfred von Karma raises the best, you know--I sort of liked it that her dere side wasn't aimed at a potential love interest, but instead her dear "younger" brother. It made her character seem fresh to me.

Fran and Phoenix were compared in GS2 because of their mutual focus on Edgeworth and the way they were going about things the wrong way. But because they were both tied to Edgeworth, there was never any moment where they understood one another, because there wasn't any NEED for that.

Franziska wants to beat Phoenix, but it never comes across to me that it's because of anything about him personally. It's always for HER--whether it's to "beat Miles Edgeworth" or just prove her own worth and her own path. Her focus is inward, not towards him. Phoenix, for his part, actually forgets her name when they meet up again.

I'm just not sure what they would get out of a relationship with one another, since they have no interest in growing or learning from one another. They have some pretty hilarious comedic chemistry, but the parts where they really connect are all based on their mutual shared ground of "Miles Edgeworth".

Without him, they have no real reason to meet or interact...and I think that's what sort of kills the couple for me.

Without him, they have no real reason to meet or interact...and I think that's what sort of kills the couple for me.

That was a very intelligent breakdown, and I mostly agree... Except that at the end of JFA it seems clear that she begins to appreciate Phoenix for the lesson he taught her, as well. So there's a slim bit of potential, and that's all any fan needs to make a case for it. (Just look at NaruMitsu...) I find it implausible, but when we look outside the realm of canon, it's fun to reimagine things a little.

But Phoenix didn't really teach her anything. Even at the end there, when Miles is talking about the bond of trust he and Phoenix has, she doesn't understand why Phoenix is smiling even though he lost. It's Edgeworth that gives her back her whip and basically tells her to snap out of it.

Yes, Phoenix is a goal for her, but again, it's like a pole vaulter falling in love with the bar--that's the sort of sense I get about their relationship on Fran's end. And she's not even really a blip on Phoenix's radar as far as people he wants to interact and spend time with.

But Phoenix didn't really teach her anything. Even at the end there, when Miles is talking about the bond of trust he and Phoenix has, she doesn't understand why Phoenix is smiling even though he lost. It's Edgeworth that gives her back her whip and basically tells her to snap out of it.

Yes, Phoenix is a goal for her, but again, it's like a pole vaulter falling in love with the bar--that's the sort of sense I get about their relationship on Fran's end. And she's not even really a blip on Phoenix's radar as far as people he wants to interact and spend time with.

By all means! I'm not insulting your point of view. I'm just saying that as long as even the remotest possibility exists, people will always love to play around with ideas. Although, I disagree a little as far as whether it was Edgeworth alone that struck her.

This place is one helluva huge GS directory for fanart and fanfiction. The left bar has a bunch of links. If your browser can display Japanese correctly, look for this term "―男女カップリング―". Under that section find "成歩堂×冥" with a number in parentheses(currently, it's around 27). I believe links to sites with Nick/Fran content will pop up on the right side. Hope that helps. :]

I kid of course, I'm just one of those stubborn folks that sees her with no one but Adrian. :3 I never once got the inclination of her and Phoenix ever being attracted to each other, so I'll stand by that though.

The ending of JFA where Franziska had the little card that Maya drew on just spoke to me for some reason. I could see it as sort of a "Woman who hates a person also kind of likes him because he taught her a lesson in life but that person doesn't really like her and doesn't care about her because she beat the shit out of him on a regular basis but that could lead to some hilariously comedic moments with that woman trying to express her feelings to that person but completely failing because of her nature of whipping people" kind of relationship.

Well...canonically, Phoenix does have at least a little bit of a crush on Friska. That much can be proved by this piece of official art and by his actions in 2-4. However, even though this may be true...I don't think Friska really has any feelings for Phoenix. The "keeping of the Phoenix card" seemed more like a token of grudging respect, and gratefulness towards him and Edgeworth for shocking her out of her deranged mentality.

However, my opinion may be slightly biased due to my reluctance to pair Phoenix with ANYONE. In my opinion, his loveable GS3-1 personality was completely ripped apart by the incident with Chinami, leaving him more or less unable to carry on any kind of romantic relationship. Hell, if this WASN'T the case, we would have seen him paired up with Ayame in GS4...which, admittedly, I had hoped for. I did hold out for Phoenix until the end, hoping he might abandon the sarcastic and hot-tempered shell he had woven over his emotions...but he's only gotten worse now that he's "Hobohodo".

Well...canonically, Phoenix does have at least a little bit of a crush on Friska. That much can be proved by this piece of official art and by his actions in 2-4.

I don't own that book, but that picture is obviously them talking about "American girls" in some respect--Mei comes from America in the Japanese version. Larry's mental image of them is clearly more positive than Phoenix's. So it's not him visualizing her romantically, it's just what he associates with whatever they're talking about.

My personal interpretation is that Franziska has the potential to chase after whomever she wants, for the reasons that musouka stated... just to prove that she can do it. For the most part she seems to blaze a warpath wherever she goes... but after GS2 I wonder if that same spark still remains.

I'm not officially a Phoenix/Fran supporter, but I am tickled by the idea of her exacting her ultimate revenge on Phoenix. If she can't conquer him in the courtroom, she could conquer him in all other aspects of life. His mannerisms, his dress, his daily routine, his attitude towards her, all because of a simple little thing she can do - love him. It works twofold because not only does she end up dominating him in a way, she finds herself perennially parallel with someone she can admire to some extent, a star attorney she can always look to be in step with, if not ahead of. A Miles ex machina, yes, but Fran is pretty out there to begin with, no?

Besides, with Mia and Maya pushing him around you'd think Nick would be used to having a dominant woman in his life.

Well that last bit in JFA...it could be either backing up phranziska or phoenix/maya.

It kinda shows that franziska's got some respect for phoenix now, but we don't know if that's in a romantic sense or not. Or it could be the card showing that maya was still thinking of and trusting phoenix even when she was starving and thirsty.

I think it's the second but you can think whatever you want about it *gets shot*

To OMFG, I love that Phoenix/Franziska picture, it's beautiful and really well drawn :)I don't think a Franziska pairing could work out, as Fran really hates him. OK she's not exactly evil like her father but she's arrogant and kind of annoying. Phoenix tries to be nice to her, giving her flowers but she doesnt take them right?

Eh, I sorta like Phranziska, though, I don't really think about it much, I like Fradrian better xD. More or less, Fran's kinda childish, Nick is mostly mature just being her punching bag to play with : / I guess the creators noticed the large fandom of FXP though, they had some soliloquy Phoenix made in the last case about Franziska being kinda cute when she's openly hostile. Then she whip smacks him for smirking about it xDDDD

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