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Mike, if any religious fanatic insists that their belief should be law, based on religion, I'd call that a poor reason. I'm pretty sure the same religion we are discussing would have frowned on equal rights for women if our society didn't overwhelmingly agree on it not too long ago.

But it seemed you were giving the reason of "inability to raise children as well" as a reason not to marry. What's the difference here? If it's just that's they're the same sex, you'll have to explain further.

Posted by burnsy483 on 4/2/2013 6:34:00 PM (view original):Mike, if any religious fanatic insists that their belief should be law, based on religion, I'd call that a poor reason. I'm pretty sure the same religion we are discussing would have frowned on equal rights for women if our society didn't overwhelmingly agree on it not too long ago.

I'm not real keen on telling people their religion is bad for people. I don't believe you can convince a very religious person to change their mind on a whole lot of subjects if it's religion-based. You can fight that fight.

I'm not fighting any fight against religious fanatics. Just that they can't make their thoughts into law based on religion.

If we're against making a child's life tougher, we should ban adoption to minorities and poorer people. And should we allow marriage to people with IQs under 90? They're just going to make dumb kids. They might be great parents, but they can't protect their kids from his peers 24/7.

Posted by burnsy483 on 4/3/2013 9:28:00 AM (view original):I'm not fighting any fight against religious fanatics. Just that they can't make their thoughts into law based on religion.

If we're against making a child's life tougher, we should ban adoption to minorities and poorer people. And should we allow marriage to people with IQs under 90? They're just going to make dumb kids. They might be great parents, but they can't protect their kids from his peers 24/7.

They can have their opinion. And, if they want to fight to make it law, well, that's their choice, right? I don't think we can just dismiss it as "religious fanaticism".

IMO, yes on everything you just asked. I have no problem setting children up to succeed rather than fail. But you have to keep in mind that I'm for required abortions for anyone who can't afford a child. Why bring a child into the world in a bad situation? I don't see the "Right to bear children" in the BoR.

Posted by burnsy483 on 4/3/2013 9:30:00 AM (view original):Back on topic. Back to this (I took out the word we didn't like in the statement):

Take a step back and consider this statement: "Two consenting adults love each other and want to get married." What person would want to prevent that?

Someone who objects to their union for whatever reason.

For instance, I don't want siblings getting married. I don't care if they're 30 years old and sterilized. I don't want that to become commonplace. I don't care if they're consenting, love each other and want to get married.