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Not that it was any of Jay's business but I did reply to him on another thread

Originally Posted by JayDubya
All humans, including the ones you want to see dead and the ones your liker has violently killed.

My reply:

If you are referring to me ..than no human was killed violently or otherwise by my donation.
It is impossible to kill a fetus that died a natural death but was not expelled in a timely manner and had to removed by a doctor.

Between the birth of my 2ed and 3rd child I miscarried a very malformed at about 20 gestation.
My husband took to the ER because I had early pains and was hoping to stop the labor and have a healthy baby.
They took a pregnancy test and told I no longer pregnant.
When I miscarried I accidentally saw how malformed it was.
My doctor told me even if I carried longer it never would have been viable.

If my body had not miscarried naturally I may very well have needed an abortion to keep from getting a septic infection like the one that killed the lady in Ireland recently.

When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

I am glad your philosophy has worked well for your family and your 2 children.

But I still feel there would not be so many single parents if the pro life movement did not demonize abortion and glorify unwed mothers for choosing to continue unwanted pregnancies.
Look at how many pro life /conservatives congratulated and defended Sarah Palin's daughter Bristol when she became a single unwed mother.

Really? So you who says that the kids are going to have sex anyway, isn't the problem eh? No, it's those of is whom don't want unborn children killed in the womb, we're the problem...think about how dumb that logic sounds.

I will agree though that we aren't doing enough to support these teen fathers taking responsibility, or instilling the values of waiting til real love, and marriage though.

Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.
Alexis de Tocqueville

Not that it was any of Jay's business but I did reply to him on another thread

My reply:

Between the birth of my 2ed and 3rd child I miscarried a very malformed at about 20 gestation.
My husband took to the ER because I had early pains and was hoping to stop the labor and have a healthy baby.
They took a pregnancy test and told I no longer pregnant.
When I miscarried I accidentally saw how malformed it was.
My doctor told me even if I carried longer it never would have been viable.

If my body had not miscarried naturally I may very well have needed an abortion to keep from getting a septic infection like the one that killed the lady in Ireland recently.

I am truly sorry to hear that you went through that Minnie.

Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.
Alexis de Tocqueville

Really? So you who says that the kids are going to have sex anyway, isn't the problem eh? No, it's those of is whom don't want unborn children killed in the womb, we're the problem...think about how dumb that logic sounds.

I will agree though that we aren't doing enough to support these teen fathers taking responsibility, or instilling the values of waiting til real love, and marriage though.

Actually, I practiced abstinence until I was married and I encouraged our 4 children to remain abstinent during their teens and early 20s. I also reinforced that birth control is should be used properly every time they had sex when they became sexually active until they wanted to start a family.

3 of my children were married in their late 20s and they each started their families 1 to 3 years after their marriages.

My older son has remained single.

I am a strong advocate for encouraging using contraceptives if one is sexually active and does not want children.

Birth control especially long term birth control has been the most effective tool for reducing elective abortions.

When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

Really? So you who says that the kids are going to have sex anyway, isn't the problem eh?

People having sex causes pregnancy. We all know that. Your personal value judgments dont change that a bit, except for your own behavior.

Historically, the graver consequences of death during childbirth, pregnancy, having a bastard child, back alley abortions, social stigma on men and women...none of those things stopped people from having sex. Not even close. It is ridiculous to think that with much safer options today, men and women would have LESS sex, something that is so enjoyable and creates such intimacy in developing relationships. Certainly more women hope that those encounters lead to relationships more than men.

So 'wishing' that adults will stop having sex is not remotely a realistic option for reducing unwanted and unplanned pregnancy.

How about you leave the fantasies and your judgement behind and move on to a more realistic discussion?

Originally Posted by Bucky

I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.

Originally Posted by applejuicefool

A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.