Do you know if Fili and Kili die at the end of the battle of five armies, has there been any discussion of this? It does seem a terrible fate for the lads but thats the way the book is written or will Sir Peter save the day for the dynamic height challenged duo. Does seem a pity to lose the hot Dwarves but thats showbiz. Any thoughts or info will be appreciated.

will ask Shore to do a remake of Boromirs death music and insert it in their death scene....In slow-mo, with those looooooong close ups of their faces Jackson is so fond of... Vous commencez ŕ m'ennuyer avec le port!!!

It will be very slo-mo, slower than Thorin walking down that tree towards Azog. So it will seem like it will go on forever, and I doubt they will go down quickly (with one or two hits). Sheer agony--for us, the audience.

I am not sure that Thorin will watch them die, though. In my imagining of it, Thorin was knocked out, half dead already, and they were protecting him since he was now unable to fight.In the book we don't know if he is aware that they died or not, but here I would guess he could find out about it after and say something regretful to Balin or Bilbo.

However, if he did watch them die, I could see him dragging himself back up and killing whatever killed them (if Tauriel doesn't do it first...).

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Not long ago, TORn member ashonmytomatoes posted a link to a heartbreaking image here.

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It's always harder for the survivors...

But, yes, I think they are going to die, in slow-mo, and Thorin is going to watch them die...

And it's important that the audience gets emotionally invested in these guys, thus making the ending so much more heartbreaking. So it's no wonder that these three dwarves are getting more screen time. So eventually they'll get more 'scream time', as it were. (Okay, sorry. I had to say that....it just came out.) For myself, I'm looking forward to the last film with both high anticipation and dread, knowing what is to come. "Age is always advancing and I'm fairly sure it's up to no good." Harry Dresden (Jim Butcher)

It will be very slo-mo, slower than Thorin walking down that tree towards Azog. So it will seem like it will go on forever, and I doubt they will go down quickly (with one or two hits). Sheer agony--for us, the audience.

Like Boromir's slo-mo death, which after all these years is still quite painful to watch. At least Boromir got his last words in. For some reason I doubt Fili and Kili will...

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I am not sure that Thorin will watch them die, though. In my imagining of it, Thorin was knocked out, half dead already, and they were protecting him since he was now unable to fight.In the book we don't know if he is aware that they died or not, but here I would guess he could find out about it after and say something regretful to Balin or Bilbo.

No matter which way, when he finds out he will be devastated, and that, I think, is his punishment and redemption -- I think I'm going to find it very hard to watch :(

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However, if he did watch them die, I could see him dragging himself back up and killing whatever killed them (if Tauriel doesn't do it first...).

that Thorin probably won't know what happened. In his final words to Bilbo, he seemed completely focused on his own mortality and saying what he felt he had to say to Bilbo. He never mentions his nephews or indicates any agony over the fact that others were going with him. I'm pretty convinced that he never knew that Fili and Kili had also just died.

that Thorin probably won't know what happened. In his final words to Bilbo, he seemed completely focused on his own mortality and saying what he felt he had to say to Bilbo. He never mentions his nephews or indicates any agony over the fact that others were going with him. I'm pretty convinced that he never knew that Fili and Kili had also just died.

for Thorin and for the audience...

I'm secretly dreading having to see the look in Thorin's eyes when he sees his nephews die trying to protect him.

Dramatic affect.... PJ will have everyone crying in every theater, for every viewing. Yes, Thorin will see this happen. I am sure that he will be severely injured and on the brink of death, but still conscious enough to see what is happening. It will be tragic, whether they are hot or not, and this event IS important in leading Thorin to his semi-heroic redemption.

I do think that by this time though, after seeing how Thorin will treat Bilbo, many viewers (especially those that have not read the book and are not familiar with Joseph Campbell's heroic journey cycle) will not be able to forgive Thorin.

"but we're fighters, all of us, to the last dwarf!". In all the general banter and bravado around Bilbo's table at Bag End, I feel the script writers very deliberately gave this line to Fili. It was high spirits then, but I think it'll be remembered and restated, heroically and in grim ernest, by the brothers at the Bot5A. ...one morning long ago in the quiet of the world, when there was less noise and more green... The Hobbit

I was thinking, what if one of the brothers got killed pretty much instantly? Whilst the other is treated to a slower death. It could possibly add a even greater "shock" value to the scene perhaps. Say if Kili dies first, then dying Fili drags himself to be with his brother for one last time. In all honesty though, I think I'd prefer they both to go in a similar way to Boromir, after all those years its still got to be one of the the saddest deaths in cinema history. Seeing two young brothers who we've all enjoyed over the course of the trilogy go this way has the potential to be even sadder than Boromir's demise.

Also shouldn't Thorin know that Fili and Kili are dead? He might wonder where the new King of Under the Mountain is.

Good gravy never seen fan art that poignant. Yes, my username is terrible.

I do think Thorin will see them die, though, which will be much harder for us to watch than if he didn't. PJ's not going to go light on the emotions here. Seeing them die, I think, will play a large part in his redemption; he's finally going to come to his senses and realize that all the gold in Erebor can't bring back what is in fact most important to him: the ones he loves. Wouldn't that make a good ending to his character arc? Okay, Thorin doesn't wear his love for his nephews on his sleeve, but it's so clearly there, and we'll see more of it to come. Of course, for us, it's that love he has for them that makes it so hard on us watching him watch them die, as if them dying wasn't hard enough on us just on its own!