Comments on: Archbishop to meet partner of MP he suggested died early ‘because he was gay’http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/07/26/archbishop-to-meet-partner-of-mp-he-suggested-died-early-because-he-was-gay/
PinkNews Gay news, reviews and comment from Europe's largest lesbian, gay, bisexual and trans news serviceTue, 03 Mar 2015 18:48:00 +0000hourly1By: burningwormhttp://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/07/26/archbishop-to-meet-partner-of-mp-he-suggested-died-early-because-he-was-gay/comments/#comment-345431
Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:09:29 +0000http://www.pinknews.co.uk/?p=29944#comment-345431They thought for example that slavery was perfectly fine, absolutely okay. Then they didn’t. What is the point of the Catholic Church if it says, Oh well we couldn’t know better because nobody else did;then what are you for!? SF
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Sat, 28 Jul 2012 14:43:25 +0000http://www.pinknews.co.uk/?p=29944#comment-344731If the bereaved partner needs to ask for an apology, then it appears the Archbishop knows little of the meaning of sincerity, humility, forgiveness or integrity!

He was commenting on an individual case, of which he should be very aware. He was commenting with inaccuracy about this individual case. He was using logical fallacies to strike fear and distress – with the clear intention of doing so, and I find it worrying that you might seek to endorse this!

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Sat, 28 Jul 2012 14:25:14 +0000http://www.pinknews.co.uk/?p=29944#comment-344727 which increasingly rejects their narrow and sexually obsessive definition of morality. In Ireland, the church seems to have reached some kind of endgame, as the state begins to seize church property, in order to pay compensation to victims of abuse. And in Scotland – well, we shall see. But a faith based on a petulant and confused defence of old social prejudices, combined with the recycling of cheap conspiracy theories, seems unlikely to thrive. And the church in which Philip Tartaglia now plays a leading role needs to return to the better principles on which it was founded; or to accept that it is finally running out of time.”

Such a very strong, accurate and clear demonstration of the ignorance, inhumanity and deceit within the Scottish RC hierarchy (and beyond).

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Sat, 28 Jul 2012 14:23:59 +0000http://www.pinknews.co.uk/?p=29944#comment-344725 basic compassion and respect for gay people that was most tellingly revealed in Archbishop Tartaglia’s hurtful and inaccurate speculations about the death of a man he knew, and at whose funeral he helped to officiate. …

To put it bluntly, if the Catholic hierarchy led by Benedict XVI had any living grasp of the faith they claim to represent, they would now be somewhere in the middle of a long decade of repentance and reflection, during which they would refrain – as a matter of decency – from pronouncing on the morality of others, until they have paid the price of their own abject failure. The New Testament is riddled with warnings to this effect; to attend to the beam in your own eye, before denouncing the mote in someone else’s.

Yet when I listen to the pronouncements of Scotland’s leading Catholic churchmen, I often wonder how long it is since they actually read those words; or left the embattled circle of their own colleagues and ardent supporters, to engage with a society

I particularly liked this: “The more I consider the conduct of the Catholic Church in this debate, over the last few years, the clearer it becomes that this is not simply a matter of disagreement over whether same-sex relationships are right or wrong. Archbishop Tartaglia, like Bashir Maan of the Glasgow Islamic community, believes that homosexual relationships can never be right; he will not sanction same-sex marriages in Catholic places of worship, and the new law will not compel him to do so.

What is truly chilling, though, and almost embarrassingly ill-judged, is the self-centred arrogance of the church’s conduct in this affair: first in their high-handed attempts to suggest that they have a right to define the meaning of marriage for believers and non-believers alike; then in the sheer intellectual incoherence of their slide from moral condemnation to cheap health-scare mongering; and finally, most shockingly, in the lack of

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Sat, 28 Jul 2012 14:17:56 +0000http://www.pinknews.co.uk/?p=29944#comment-344723Personally, I would tackle it from a slightly different angle.

I would try and set up a media interview with both the Archbishop and Mr Kehoe present and try to show the ignorance, inhumanity and insincerity of the Archbishop on TV – whilst Mr Kehoe shows justfied (but controlled) anger, integrity, civility and patience – whilst pursuing (if need be repeated) questioning about the Archbishops (lack of) understanding about the issues involved, where the Archbishop “had heard” about these clinical links (or what he based his logical fallacy on) and why he felt it appropraite to demean the name of a dead person on fatuous lies.

Its clear Mr Kehoe would come out shining bright, and the Archbishop would not.

Unfortunately, it probably would not happen as the Archbishop lacks the moral courage to face a reasoned debate in public on matters that he grotesquely raises.

I must admit I particularly struggle with understanding how gay Catholics can remain within their demonination given the grotesque comments, ignorance and quite frankly (at times) sheer criminality of some of their leaders.

That said, there are a number of denominations and individual churches within denominations that are campaigning for and striving towards full equality (including for LGBT people).

We may not agree with their theology or their belief system. We may even have read some (or all) of the Bible and disagree with their interpretation of it. However, to deny that there are denominations, individual churches and groups of members of churches that are campaigning with determination to ensure LGBT equality is as facetious and false as saying all gay men act like Graham Norton, Elton John or Julian Clary.

Are you f’n SERIOUS? I asked you to list me the (in YOUR words) “many” denominations that “fully” support and fight for “FULL” LGBT “EQUALITY” and you linked to a list of individual congregations rather than denominations and the denominations of those congregations included “Anglican”, “Methodist”, CofE, ROMAN CATHOLIC, etc.

Then you have the audacity to call ME childish and insinuate that I’M ignorant. You try to tell us that the Anglican, Methodist, CofE and Roman Catholic denominations are examples of Christian denominations that are FULLY supportive of EQUAL rights for LGBT people and have fought to promote those equal rights and then call ME childish and out of touch?

I’m not a Christian but I know that there is a verse in Proverbs that instructs the wise to turn and walk away from a fool because wise words will be wasted on him.

This is me turning and walking away from you.

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Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:12:51 +0000http://www.pinknews.co.uk/?p=29944#comment-344633so it was ok to take their money and bury them in a church even though they hate gays … sounds like they are only interested in one thing – MONEY.
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Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:10:38 +0000http://www.pinknews.co.uk/?p=29944#comment-344632isn’t 16 a bit old for them, thety like them pre-pubescent?
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Fri, 27 Jul 2012 19:48:04 +0000http://www.pinknews.co.uk/?p=29944#comment-344628says the new head of the Scottish Chapter of the International Brotherhood of Paedophiles
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Fri, 27 Jul 2012 12:44:36 +0000http://www.pinknews.co.uk/?p=29944#comment-344543my feelings exactly…
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Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:43:42 +0000http://www.pinknews.co.uk/?p=29944#comment-344518That’s not what he was saying though Sarah. He was suggesting that it’s the fact that a man (not a woman note!) is homosexual in and of itself that is detrimental to our health, not outside pressures.
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Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:36:18 +0000http://www.pinknews.co.uk/?p=29944#comment-344516To illustrate how wilfully ignorant Tartaglia is, by his deduction, it is tantamount to saying that a 40-something gay man killed in a plane crash, or any accident for that matter, died as a result of his sexual orientation? Really? What about a young heterosexual dying in a similar fate, or dying from pancreatic cancer? Tartaglia and his boss O’Brien are the embodiment of evil.
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Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:31:54 +0000http://www.pinknews.co.uk/?p=29944#comment-344513Was once a catholic too, once on the receiving end of a priest’s sexual advances when I was 16. Now I’m an avowed atheist. These people don’t care about the poor or those in need and are by no means, ‘christian’ by action or deed. Living luxuriously is not what Jesus Christ had in mind. Wasn’t it he who said if anyone want’s to be a follower, sell all you have and give to the poor? Wasn’t it he who kicked over the tables of the money lenders (some of them rabbis) in the temple? The Roman cult is no different or it’s little sister, the CoE. They’re ‘christian’ in name only, nothing more.
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Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:26:43 +0000http://www.pinknews.co.uk/?p=29944#comment-344511Pigs I’ve read are considered to be highly intelligent animals in contrast to the ignorance of this subhuman creature. He has a lot to learn from them.
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Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:24:50 +0000http://www.pinknews.co.uk/?p=29944#comment-344510The Catholic Relief Act should never have been enacted in the first place. This cult has never forgiven Henry VIII for causing a schism and kicking out the RC cult as the state cult. Yet here it is, trying to influence the outcome of a piece of legislation to discriminate against an entire group of tax-paying citizens, direct interference in our government by issuing threats to those who represent us and who support our rights. It’s about time a line in the sand is drawn and really put these bigots in their place once and for all. They have NO right to tell the government what to do and no right to impose a religious belief on the British public against its will especially those who support equality.
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Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:17:52 +0000http://www.pinknews.co.uk/?p=29944#comment-344509Pavlos,

Try doing a search for Lesley Pilkington in Rickmansworth on 192.com. You’ll see that a James Pilkington lived there sometime between 2002 and 2009.

Photo, which if I’m not mistaken, has Lesley Pilkington in the background.

The quote that I found very sad was:

“They told me I had been brainwashed by gay propaganda, that I wasn’t really Gay. They told me I had ruined their lives, that everyone at their church would find out. That they could never smile again because of what I had done. That they would have to leave, that their lives were over. They told me I couldn’t come home and that they didn’t want to speak to me again.”