Under the standard contemporary definitions, those aren't science. None of them proceed via experimentation. Math is a science (or collection of sciences) in Aristotle's sense, but law and history are not...

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Under the standard contemporary definitions, those aren't science. None of them proceed via experimentation. Math is a science (or collection of sciences) in Aristotle's sense, but law and history are not...

Both history and law, or more accurately, jurisprudence, are sciences, there is no possible definition of 'science' you can come up with that would apply to something like physics but not disciplines like history, psychology, economics, or jurisprudence are not.

Under the standard contemporary definitions, those aren't science. None of them proceed via experimentation. Math is a science (or collection of sciences) in Aristotle's sense, but law and history are not...

Both history and law, or more accurately, jurisprudence, are sciences, there is no possible definition of 'science' you can come up with that would apply to something like physics but not disciplines like history, psychology, economics, or jurisprudence are not.

This can be disproved by counterexample. Here's the definition Google gives:

"the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment."

History and law do not fit under that umbrella, so your statement has been disproven. I don't necessarily think that's the best definition, but it is a definition (and roughly equivalent to what most people think of as science in the contemporary world).

Aristotle held that sciences involved knowledge of universals. However, law and history deal with particulars, and thus they are not sciences in the sense of Aristotle either.

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Atheist:History very definitely does rely on evidence, and so does law.

Math and philosophy are artificial constructs of human beings, although in both, practitioners have to show their work to make sure that it conforms to the rules human beings have created. If you want to consider gods to be a creation of human beings, I'd be fine with that.

Me:1a. Yes, history and law does need evidence. But not of the scientific kind (meaning, not the empirical kinds as demanded by natural sciences).

1b. Math and art are artificial construct? I don't know what that even means. If there's an alien out there then 1+1 must equals two for them just like how it is for us on earth. And a sequence of 1234 pattern would be more artistic than a sequence of 4719.

Atheist:1a. Yes, history and law does need evidence. But not of the scientific kind

They still need evidence. Evidence is how we distinguish reality from delusion and wishful-thinking. Reality needs to be a check on your imagination if you care about the truth at all.

1b. Math and art are artificial construct?

Of course. We human beings created both. (I said math and philosophy, but it fits for art, too.) Math is useful to the extent that it does comport with reality (which requires looking at reality to confirm). Otherwise, it would just be a game.

Ok, some more exchange but then he respond to my word by excluding math, history and art as science

History and law aren't science according to Aristotle's definition either.

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In Europe when we say 'science' we mean all the subjects you might find at a university. When (many) Americans say science (as in the STEM sciences), we say 'natural science' (naturvitskap in Norwergian, Naturwissenschaft in German, cf. the older name of 'natural philosophy').

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