Have heard the comment they are like Holland and Holland Quality Shotguns for the price of a Barretta.

Personally I prefer more practical weapons that can be handled and shot... I would be more inclined to put an MTs-5 on a wall than shoot it.

_________________“The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion […] but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.”

― Samuel P. Huntington, The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order

GarryB wrote:Have heard the comment they are like Holland and Holland Quality Shotguns for the price of a Barretta.

Personally I prefer more practical weapons that can be handled and shot... I would be more inclined to put an MTs-5 on a wall than shoot it.

Hi Gary,

I have heard that quote. I also prefer more practical weapons. I inherited this from my father. I have always wanted to make a nice case for it and put it on the wall. It's a coincidence that you say that.

And I see at the bottom of page three you have also found that page too.

_________________“The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion […] but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.”

― Samuel P. Huntington, The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order

Well Duh... there are photos of the Griffin on the first page of this thread... how quickly we forget...

_________________“The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion […] but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.”

― Samuel P. Huntington, The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order

In an amendment to its tough gun control laws, the Russian government eases restrictions, allowing citizens to carry licensed weapons for the purposes of ‘self-defense.’

Until now Russian gun enthusiasts were only permitted to carry firearms for hunting or target shooting after obtaining a license through the Interior Ministry. Russian gun licenses are to be renewed every five years, and applicants face strict background checks and are required to take gun safety courses.

The addendum to the law now lists self-defense as a legally acceptable reason for carrying a weapon.

However, a 2011 Levada poll found that 81 percent of Russians opposed easing the existing gun regulations.

In spite of its restrictive gun laws, Russia has seen its share gun violence. In 2012, a 30 year old lawyer opened fire on his colleagues at a pharmaceutical company, killing six. Just last year, 15-year-old straight A student, Sergey Gordeyev, killed a teacher and a police officer after taking 29 students hostage.

The government’s press service underscored that carrying a weapon will remain prohibited at educational institutions, establishments which operate at night and serve alcohol, and mass public gatherings such as street demonstrations or protests. The legislation also forbids carrying a weapon while under the influence of alcohol.

The law broadly defines self-defense weapons, including smoothbore long barrelled guns, pistols, revolvers, and other firearms, as well as Tasers, and devices equipped with teargas. Long barrelled fire arms and edged weapons are, however, forbidden by the law.

In addition, the amendment softened requirements for foreigners bringing arms into the Russian Federation or purchasing arms on Russian territory. The grace period for foreigners awaiting a license from the Interior Ministry for firearms has been increased from 5 to 10 days.

Personally I am not overly worried but having a large portion of the population being "americanished" means that you will probably experience one or two massacres, schools, hospitals, clubs you name it.

Werewolf wrote:I can't be the only one who thinks that this is a step in a bad direction?

No, this is a good move on the part of Putin.

Immigrants have taken over most Russian cities just like in the UK. Local people in Russia are regularly being harassed, assaulted by these immigrants. Therefore, it is good that local people are now being allowed to carry firearms to protect themselves.

We need similar rules in the UK as well.I personally am lobbying for it.

The police are not always there when you need them the issue however is that the rules around defending yourself have to be made totally clear to anyone wanting to take up arms to defend themselves.

Here in NZ it is illegal to own any sort of firearm for the purpose of self defence. Pepper sprays and tasers are also illegal... in other words if you are attacked you basically have to make do with whatever comes to hand... and don't get caught carrying around weapons either.

Personally I like the fact that pistols are fairly hard to get in NZ as they are very desirable to criminals for their fire power and concealment.

If the bad guys already have guns then why not let civilians defend themselves with the same?

As far as I am concerned gun control is being able to hit your target.

_________________“The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion […] but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.”

― Samuel P. Huntington, The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order

Miniature guns made by the Arsenal company that makes the Strike pistol.

these guns are real and they fire real ammo scaled down to size... they cost something like $60,000 each and the ammo is something like $100 per shot or more... but look at them!!!

Note if you want to see them fire skip to the last vid...

_________________“The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion […] but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.”

― Samuel P. Huntington, The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order

The stumbling block of custom made ammo is a problem... I have a friend who used to make model radio controlled aircraft... he made a huge spitfire with about a 3m wingspan that was very cool and it reminded me that the old 20mm Shkas cannon used a cannon shell that actually looked rather a lot like a .22LR rifle round.

Would be cool to make a Yak or LaGG with 20mm cannons that use .22LR ammo as that is cheap and it could even be loaded with tracer rounds.

Obviously incredibly dangerous... and would likely not be legal, but having scale model 20mm cannon firing .22LR would be interesting.

You could expand it from small arms to include artillery... actually I have always thought the 115mm shell from the T-62 tank looked a lot like a 30/30 rifle round... imagine a half scale tank...

_________________“The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion […] but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.”

― Samuel P. Huntington, The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order

GarryB wrote:The stumbling block of custom made ammo is a problem... I have a friend who used to make model radio controlled aircraft... he made a huge spitfire with about a 3m wingspan that was very cool and it reminded me that the old 20mm Shkas cannon used a cannon shell that actually looked rather a lot like a .22LR rifle round.

Would be cool to make a Yak or LaGG with 20mm cannons that use .22LR ammo as that is cheap and it could even be loaded with tracer rounds.

Obviously incredibly dangerous... and would likely not be legal, but having scale model 20mm cannon firing .22LR would be interesting.

You could expand it from small arms to include artillery... actually I have always thought the 115mm shell from the T-62 tank looked a lot like a 30/30 rifle round... imagine a half scale tank...

Yea, i always dreamed about a RC turbined Mi-24 with function YaK-12,7 with some small rounds.

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