August 06, 2008

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A recent mailing from the president of the National Rifle Association to its members says that Barack Obama wants to ban the possession of handguns, and that "never in NRA's history have we faced a presidential candidate — and hundreds of candidates running for other offices — with such a deep-rooted hatred of firearm freedoms."

The fundraising letter from NRA President Wayne LaPierre focused largely on Obama's record and statements — since, in part, disavowed — from the 1990s of strong support for gun control measure, like waiting periods and background checks to buy a gun.

LaPierre also attacked Obama for his association with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, a front John McCain and the GOP have avoided.

"There's Rev. Jeremiah Wright and his church, to which Obama contributed $26,000 over the years, even as Wright spouted anti-American hatred," LaPierre writes in a list of Obama's "friends."

The mailing also included a wallet card (below) listing what the NRA claims are Obama's positions on guns, though they are not in fact his campaign positions, and in many cases it seems flatly to contradict them. The NRA claims Obama wants to bar the use of firearms for home defense and ban the manufacture and sale of handguns. How the group reaches those conclusions is unclear. In one case, though, it interprets an Illinois proposal he backed to close gun shops near schools and parks as a plan to "close down 90 percent of the gun shops in America."

According to the campaign (.pdf), Obama "will protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to purchase, own, transport, and use guns for the purposes of hunting and target shooting."
He's also said he believes there is an individual right to bear arms.

The mailing appears in full, with criticism, on an online bulletin board, but NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam confirmed its validity.

According to the campaign (.pdf), Obama "will protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to purchase, own, transport, and use guns for the purposes of hunting and target shooting."
Notice how it does not mention self-defense purposes. The NRA is on to something.

The NRA have just confirmed their status as a part of the right wing of the Republican party. Truly disgusting. They are many pro gun dems members of the NRA that will not be amused by their fabrications and lies.

Obama is anti-gun, and he has been since his first appearences in public life. Every "gun" voter knows it. He never stood a chance with that group (include me) anyway. I don't know what's so surprising about it.

Oh come off it! Modern progressives like Obama have never carried the Mommy-state banner of the pathetic DLC Dems of the 1990s. We're for common sense reforms like safety locks and background checks, but nobody on the new left is challenging this. NRA still wants to fight the 90s Dems, but progressives have bigger fish to fry that all of that. Hunters and sportsmen will lose nothing from the common sense reforms Obama has mentioned when he has talked about the second amendment.

In one case, though, it interprets an Illinois proposal he backed to close gun shops near schools and parks as a plan to "close down 90 percent of the gun shops in America."...........Well I guess that would enitrely depend on his definition of near, if it was lets say 1/2 a mile it could effectivly do just that.

Rather than use the term Democrats I will refer to the leftists who have always been obsessed with disarming the populous. You may recall that Hitler first confined the Jews to the ghetto then disarmed then and finally tried to obliterate them. The Japanese during WWII considered attacking the west coast but declined based on the fact that too many private citizens owned firearms. The NRA is not arming terrorists. Conversely they are deterring open attacks on small towns and in the heartland. Lastly if you all read the Second Amendment the way you read the First gun ownership would be REQUIRED! Yes, Barak Hussein Obama scares the ccrap out of me.

If you believe that Obama, or any other president will ever ban guns in the US, then you are truly a friggen moron, and shouldn't be allowed to vote in this, or any other election. Think about it for a minute. Then read up how changes are made to the US constitution. It ain't easy, and you need help from a lot of people, including the voters. Won't happen, it's a lie. Shocking, another lie.

Obama is for NUT control - not gun control. Keep guns out of the hands of the nuts, that all - apparently that is a very threatening thing to the NRA. I think that Americans are getting smart enough to see through the BS. It's a lot easier to research facts and dispute political lies from both sides of the isle than it was in the 90s. Let states and cities make the rules. The South Side of Chicago should have different gun rules than rural Kentucky. Ignorant NRA members that haven't spent time in neighborhoods where teenagers walk around with illegally purchased guns can't understand that.

HRT,If you believe that the anti-gun poloticians and lobbies can't find back door ways to circumvent the second amendment you might be the moron.As an example I give you Washington DC poloticians now trying to classify all semi-auto handguns as machine guns thus making them illegal.

Why do pro-gun people always invoke the need to have your guns in order to overthrow the sitting government? Constantly invoking the possibility that citizens will need to take up arms against the government becomes a bit of a self-fufilling prophecy if left unchecked. You clowns like to invoke Hitler all the time. How about this, from now on we get to invoke Timothy McVeigh. He had no real criminal record, but he felt this urge to take up open conflict with the US government. How did that work out for everyone?

Ah, it's refreshing to see how scared Obama has gotten these zealots...they're deathly afraid that Obama may actually enforce our current gun laws. Way to bring up Rev. Wright in a mailer about gun issues. Nope. Nothing racist there.

This bears repeating: Ever notice that most gun crimes are committed by people, who just seconds earlier were law abiding, gun owning citizens?
Posted By: | August 06, 2008 at 01:26 PM
Now, I could not have said it better myself and those are my thoughts exactly! Well done!

I love it when gun fanatics start to use protection against tyranny as a rationale for gun ownership. This rationale lost its rationality decades ago, once governments (like ours) developed missles, tanks, bombs, and nuclear weapons. If you think you and your neighbors with your semi-automatics are going to protect your "small town in the heartland" against a cruise missle coming through your bedroom window, good luck to you.

Why do pro-gun people always invoke the need to have your guns in order to overthrow the sitting government?...........Oh just a little old thing called The Declaration of Independence......."That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence"

The NRA's sole mission is to protect an individual's right to BUY a gun and ammo. To buy as many as they want. Their first loyalties are to their benefactors.... The gun and ammo manufacturers, distributors, retailers and show/conventions. You think the NRA makes money with memberships and dues? No way. Their money comes from the industry and the people are being duped.

This bears repeating: Ever notice that most gun crimes are committed by people, who just seconds earlier were law abiding, gun owning citizens?......oh please lets see the crime statistics to back that claim up.Or do you just spew crap like that and just think people will believe you?

1:40 - Again, in today's society, why do so many pro-gun people constantly invoke the spectre of having to overthrow the sitting government? That's great to invoke the Declaration of Independence, but that is hardly applicable to the present day. We're a representative republic, and you have the right to vote for your representatives. It's always amazing to me that right wing clowns talk about "freedom" and "democracy", but invoke armed rebellion when they think that their viewpoint on everything might not hold sway. Let me guess, you think the South was the victim in the Civil War.

Yes indeed folks, the National Republican association will have you believe that there is no connection whatsoever between Having a gun and shooting someone with it, and not having a gun and not shooting someone with it. No connection at all! Go back to sleep America, we've figured it out for you! Isn't it funny that the reason gun ownership was put in the constitution was to combat the eventuality of a despotic, totalitarian regime? As someone posted earlier, "sound familiar?"

It is almost funny how republithugs follow such a dumb "leader" as McCain, who almost finished last in his class (894/899!!!) in the naval academy! That, by itself, is a disqualifying fact! Moreover, he has been in the congress for decades and has done nothing to promote new sources of energy (actually he obstructed bills that favored them) and now he is America's energy savior? Yesterday, after suggesting his wife to enter a vulgar beauty contest and maybe show her breasts, he talks about family and values! Gimme a break! Double standards? Well all that would be hilarious, but only if he was doing a stand-up comedy or something like that... We are trying to pick a president, a smart and bright person to lead the country! We deserve better than McGaffe! The question is: who is more stupid the "leader" or the people who follow the "leader". No need to answer... Like Obama said, they take pride in being ignorant! ****PLEASE WATCH THIS**** IT REALLY MAKES YOU THINK BEFORE DECIDING YOUR VOTE! WHO IS JOHN MCCAIN..? -------> THE ANSWER IS HERE

Morons! These outright lies will not mobilize anyone to their cause (those who would fall for this crap already support McClueless), but it just might alienate NRA members like my husband who is sick of the extremist right-wing.

Oh, if only the Founder Fathers themselves could be here to debunk the corrupt, shameless prostituting and debasing of their original intent by these gun wackos. They would punch Wayne "My Name is French" LaPierre in his fat, ugly mouth.

As a hunter who owns several guns, I've gotta say... somebody needs to SHUT DOWN the NRA. They are not an issue advocacy group, they're the militant wing of the Republican Party. They make all gun owners look bad.

"Oh just a little old thing called The Declaration of Independence....." Well, "old" is the key word here. The best protection against tyranny is built right into another "old" document: the Constitution. Such basic principles as separation of powers (no unitary executive theory); separation of church and state; federalism; freedom of speech; protection against unreasonable searches and seizures; etc. The notion that you and a few of your pals are going to overthrow the government is preposterous. Republicans have truly lost their way. Where are the small government, liberty embracing Republicans these days? I don't want to take away your guns; stop trying to take away my liberty. It appears that many Republicans are all about building up a tyranny that they then could, in theory, overthrow with their guns.

Wayne LaPierre is not the president of the NRA. Plus politico is the one that broke the story about Obama and the questionnaire (with his handwriting) that featured his position on banning handguns. He has also supported the DC gun ban that was struck down as unconstitutional.

Yes, the Declaration is not applicable to this modern age. Notice you didn't answer the question about the Civil War. Ok, since we're talking about the right to take up arms against the government when it fails to fufill its promises, where do you stand on the activities of the Weather Underground? Do they have cover from the Declaration of Independence?

"when the govt. are the only people with guns elections are pretty much subjective wouldn't you say?" Why aren't you getting this. Given the exponentially different levels of firepower between the government and its citizens, the current government is de facto the "only people with guns." If you think the only thing protecting us against tyranny in today's world is individual gun ownership, you are an utter fool.

Fact: In no Communist country in existance now OR EVER are the people allowed to own guns. If you're caught, you go to jail and maybe even disappear totally. Fact: When Hitler came into power in Germany one of the first things he did was confiscate all guns in the private citizens hands. Anyone caught with guns after his declared deadline for turning them in went to jail. Fact: Barack Obama has ALWAYS been against anyone owning guns unless they were in the police or military. His denial of this proven fact in order to get votes makes him and his supporters LIARS!!!Fact: The Obamanistas are not true Democrats nor liberals, they are Socialists and Communists cloaking themselves in a Democrat and liberal mantel because Socialism and Communism have been proven failures wherever it's bee tried. Calling themselves a liberal and Democrat sounds better. Small wonder that these shysters all want to disarm all the law abidding American people and make the 2nd Amendment null and void.

John McCain was, is, and will be a failure... Could someone say that McCain is or was ever brilliant? Nope, because he is not! People... will a real patriot want to elect a dumb president? I don't think so either... I care for my country too much! PLEASE WATCH THIS AND THEN COMMENT

I find it fascinating that so many Republicans spend so much time on this issue complaining about how "American" owning guns is, and "this is in the constitution" and "you can't take my rights away" whilst the very same people will talk about how "we need a good man with good Christian values for president", a complete fuking reversal of the constitution and the seperation of church and state mentioned therein. I guess this is the "Patriots" picking and choosing the parts of the constitution they like. By the way, you do need to intelligently plan a revolution before it can take place which, luckily for the rest of us, pretty much rules out the fuking morons who bang on about their right to bear arms!

Obama supports the use of guns for HUNTING and TARGET SHOOTING only, not self-defense. I think NRA should be worried. I swear I never thought any candidate could be as devious as Bill Clinton, but Obama is making even Clinton look honest. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm even beginning to respect Hillary now.

MJ,Given the exponentially different levels of firepower between the government and its citizens, the current government is de facto the "only people with guns.".......... wow thats idiotic on so many different levels I hardly no where to begin.Fist lets say 20% of the adult populatin owns firearms that translates to about 20 million people. Second if your theory was correct how would you explain or past troubles in Iraq?

When James Huberty murdered 21 people in a San Diego McDonald's in 1984, he didn't have a criminal record. But, wait a minute, that means that he was a law abiding citizen excercising his Constitutional rights to defend himself against....umm...the Hamburgler?

Steven Phillip Kazmierczak, he's the guy who killed six people on the Northern Illinois University campus. That's right, no prior criminal record. Another law abiding citizen exercising his second amendment rights to own a gun.

I really don't understand you Americans in this matter. You once led us central-Europeans into Democracy. You made our countries more liberal. Our economy was soon doing well again, we're #1 in new energy, banning nukes etc.
That was what you once gave us, and I'm thankful for that.
But while reading comments in the Internet, watching your TV channels etc., I became highly confused...
You're more running into the direction, that you once saved us from. You fear tougher gun laws, but you don't care about giving away other - much more important - civil rights piece by piece. The Patriot Act, for example. Why don't you fear those laws? Do you feel comfortable while knowing that you can get caught anytime without a warrant not knowing what led to your arrestment and when you'll get a chance to become free again?
In my country, we see this development with confusion, and some fear. Where is this going? People who stand up are insulted "Anti-American"/"Un-Patriotic", that's HIGHLY dangerous, as a poster already made out above.
You really need a change...!! Times are different now, the cowboy era that made this law necessary is over. Ownership of guns should be much more controlled, only availible for trained people with temporary, renewable licenses. In my country, nearly nobody owns/needs a gun for self-defense, cause they just aren't available to criminals in such high numbers then in the US. We don't have a NRA, it would considered "polically incorrect". Sort of status quo between defender/attacker...?!? Dunno, but it definitely works, I feel way safer that way, and so would you, if you'd have the chance to.
So for the sake of your own children, stand up and support those who want to make your country a safer and better place.
(And now prove this comment by flaming me away for being anti-American and not knowing anything about this country, I'm used to it... :-) )

2:25...what troubles in Iraq? John McCain said we won that war. Oh, you mean that all the US has to do to get people to stop murdering each other in the US is to pay them money, like we did with the Iraqi militias?

Wait a minute, NRA. If you implement points 1,2,3 and 5, then point 4 makes no sense. I mean, why close only 90% of the gun shops if you've banned all guns and all ammunition? That hardly seems practical. Oh, wait, that's right, the NRA is made up of mouth breathing inbred droolers that have delusions about overthrowing the US government and living in the woods eating possums and fornicating with their siblings.

The NRA has the same nihilistic view of society that the GOP does. It's a barely shaded kind of anarchy, where everyone is armed to the teeth in a fight to the death survival of the fittest. Is it any wonder that people who hold the concept of government in such contempt are utterly incompetent when they get to run it?

02:01 since you have decreed that the DOI is not applicable to this age what else might we decide to toss off? As for the Civil War the under lying causes are too numerous to go into here but you are comparing apples and oranges sucssesion and the right to reform govt are two different things. Also the weather underground as with so many other types of those militant organizations were hardly populace so once again a horrible comparison

"Fist lets say 20% of the adult populatin owns firearms that translates to about 20 million people. Second if your theory was correct how would you explain or past troubles in Iraq?" Are you suggesting that "our past troubles" in Iraq somehow threatened to overthrow our government? Let me make this simple for you: I don't care how many citizens own a gun in this country, it is not possible for individual citizens, regardless of how many, to violently overthrow the U.S. government today. Could they reek havoc? Yes. Could they kill some FBI, police, and soldiers? Yes. Could they overthrow the government? Not a chance. None.

Once a great country is right. We should be far more concerned by things like the "patriot act" (why d'you think they gave it that name; to throw us of the scent stoopid!)and , I don't know, like the murder of Kennedy, which they clearly lied about.

No. No. No! Obama said Washington's gun ban was 'constitutional'!....Oh, but then when the Supreme Court ruled it 'unconstitutional', Obama said the Supreme Court was right....Oh, I'm just so confused. No wonder the NRA, like the rest of us trying to decipher Obama's true stand on EVERYTHING, are confused by Obama's flip flop on gun control/gun bans.

"Second if your theory was correct how would you explain or past troubles in Iraq?" Just to follow-up on this, perhaps it just might have something to do with the fact that we don't know who the enemy is, and we don't know what victory means.

Settled by the recent Supreme Court ruling. NRA needs to get more original than that. Barack Obama got the local NRA and the FOP to agree on at least one of his proposals. He even bucked his party in the general assembly to vote for a gun carrying law. Barack Obama even received the endorsement of some gun owners. Many Dems are also gun-owning voters for Obama. Hey NRA, can we please stop with the hyperbolic stuff. THIS NRA ACCUSATION/scare tactic is sooo 2000.

Why is the Weather Underground not applicable to the right to take up arms against the government that the Declaration of Independence allegedly gives us? Did they not feel that the US government was a tyrannical power that trampled on the rights of its citizens? Oh, wait, when the Right Wing invokes the right to revolt under the DOI, they only mean "certain" people are allowed to revolt.

NRA=GOP=SMEARS=LIES=B.S.=NRA=GOP=... Well, everybody knows that! The NRA is not for profit and tax exempt? Wow, the IRS should take away that status from them for using their resources in spreading unfounded crap and "panic" in the population...

What crap, the NRA is spreading it's propaganda onces more, it must be an election year or something. Recent Supreme Court Rulings have verified Americans Constitutional right to bear arms. Obama supported the recent decision overturning the ban on owning handguns in D.C., he supports the Constitutional Right to own weapons, but does want some restrictions on ownership, the NRA wants no restrictions, plus it being an Election year slamming the Democratic Candidate is their version of the .Gay Marriage issue, that will be coming soon from the McCain camp.

American Hunters and Shooters Association support him - but the NRepugA does not -- no surprise there. Just more lies - problem is the repug lies are getting our sons and daughters killed on foreign soil.

MJ, Are you an idiot or do you just play one on T.V? First did a reletively small armed group force major changes in the Iraqi govt and U.S.policy against far superior firepower Second "I don't care its not possible" is hardly an intelligent argument and many dead dictators probably thought like that.Third you don't need to over throw a govt to affect change.And lastly I do not own a gun and I would never advocate armed insurection but once you just start tossing peoples rights overboard to whatever political winds are blowing at the time then nothing is sacred.

3:22 - under George Bush, people's Constitutional rights have been trampled on through illegal wiretapping and the suspension of habeas corpus. Those who have exercised their Constitutional right to free speech have been branded "traitors" by the GOP. The current Justice Department based their prosecutions on the political persuasions of the suspects. Yet you mouth breathers in the NRA stayed quiet about that.

PETE, What Bush has done is hardly new and has much precident in American history I would go into it here but whats the point.Secondly just because people choose to label you a traitor doesn't mean your rights have been trampled.If you call me a warmongering republican nazi have you infringed upon my free speech rights?

3:44, when people in the Bush Administration refer to their political opponents as "traitors" or "unpatriotic", such gestures could be easily seen as a government infringement on the 1st Amendment. If I call you a "nazi warmonger", as a private citizen I'm not impeding your free speech rights. I'm merely pointing out what an idiot you are. By the way, eavesdropping on people's phone calls and emails is what totalitarian states do, it's comical that you defend them like that.

"First did a reletively small armed group force major changes in the Iraqi govt and U.S.policy against far superior firepower" What is your point here? If everyone in Manhattan were armed and pointing guns at each other, then I think the government might have a difficult time figuring out how to isolate those shooting at it from those shooting at those shooting at it. Moreover, a few thousands armed citizens roaming around Manhattan shooting at the police would no doubt cause problems. None of this, however, would threaten the overthrow of the government. "you don't need to over throw a govt to affect change." True. About the surest way not to effect change is to attempt an armed insurrection against the U.S. Government. "once you just start tossing peoples rights overboard to whatever political winds are blowing at the time then nothing is sacred." Also true. I haven't advocated taking away any rights. My only point has been that the "protection against tyranny" rationale for gun ownership is no longer valid. There are other reasons to support the right to gun ownership.

ah Pete I have never heard the president call war protesters traitors if you have video of him saying such a thing please share it with us.And I merely point out that other presidents in American history have infringed upon free speech rights and other rights to a far greater extent than Bush namely Lincoln,Wilson Roosevelt,Truman,Kennedy. consider yourself lucky under anyone of those presidents people like you would be sitting in a jail cell.

You would think that it would be pretty easy to paint Obama as anti-gun without going all nuts about it. This ad is just bizarrely exaggerated. Would anyone really believe that he wants to ban handguns for everyone but convicted felons?

Okay, I'm reading this in more detail and it is, in a word, stoopid.
1. DC case renders this moot
2. DC case renders this moot
3. DC case renders this moot and silly
4. How? Or are 90% of the shops at gun shows?
5. Isn't all ammunition sold for hunting and sport shooting? There isn't specific "criminal intent" ammo, is there?
6. Could be, though that scary 500 number translates to "if the tax is now 2%, it will be 12%."
7. This is totally unrelated to taking anyone's guns.
8. How much firepower do you need to take down a duck? It's not like the duck is going to take you down with his beretta.
9. I thought we had this?
10. The only vaguely on-topic point, completely undercut by the silliness they claim is the topic.

PETE let me refresh your memory, under George Bush, people's Constitutional rights have been trampled on through illegal wiretapping and the suspension of habeas corpus. Those who have exercised their Constitutional right to free speech have been branded "traitors" by the GOP. The current Justice Department based their prosecutions on the political persuasions of the suspects...... During many presidential administrations if you had stood on a street corner passing out fliers with that printed on them you would find yourself having a not so friendly chat with govt agent in some cell somewhere.

The Republican strategy is to make Obama guilty by any association for anyone he has come into contact with, no matter how vague. So to buy into that strategy, I must assume the NRA LOVES Obama...
Afterall, NRA loved Charlton Heston, Heston head of NRA, Heston was Moses now Obama is Moses according to the Republicans so what's the NRA so worried about?

Turnabout is fair play. When to do the bears have equal time with the hunters?
Seriously, this is one more reason to vote the current idiots out of office. How many more have to be shot, so a bunch of testosterone freaks can go "bang, bang you're dead".
With apologies to LBJ, "Hey, hey NRA, how many kids have you killed today?"
Bigger threat to the USA than Obama, Al Queda and a few others combined.

4:27, so what you're saying is because previous Presidents violated the Constitution, it's AOK if George Bush does so with impunity, as long as you get to carry your guns. This proves my point that the modern conservative doesn't give a flying frak about the Constitution.

PETE would you consider this a greater or lesser infringement on rights than anything Bush has done?....... In the spring of 1946, both coal miners and railroad workers staged nationwide strikes. President Harry Truman decided that the unions had gone too far, and after the railroad workers rejected a settlement, he seized control of the railroads. Despite the government takeover, the workers continued with their strike plans. As a result, on May 24, 1946, Truman issued an ultimatum declaring that the government would operate the railroads and use the army as strikebreakers. When the deadline passed, Truman went before Congress to seek the power to deny seniority rights to strikers and to draft strikers into the armed forces. Just as Truman reached the climax of his speech, he received a note saying that the strike was ?settled on the terms proposed by the President.?

PETE Its called precident and the Supreme Court uses it when trying to interpret whats legal and what isn't. But regardless might point was that this nonsense about how Bush has trampled the Constitution like no other president before him is hogwash.

I guess the NRA just expects its members to be so dumb they forgot that the supreme court just made it so NO ONE can ban handguns even if they wanted to.
Not that that matters to the hysterical paranoids who make up the NRA.
Who in their right mind would think needing a license to carry a deadly weapon is a bad thing? If I need a license to go fishing or drive a car, I definatly should need one to own a gun.

It doesn't matter what Truman did. What Bush has done clearly violates Constitutional law and are clearly impeachable offenses. Again, the fact that previous Presidents violated the Constitution is NOT a justification for a sitting President to do so. Again, it's comical that conservatives declare that it's ok for a President to violate the Constitution as long as they get to keep their guns.

I think it's far more important to protect rights that things like the patriot act took away. Why? Because if those rights remain intact, then I have little need for a gun. If those rights do not remain intact then it doesn't matter if I have a fing RPG because the Government will know that and will therefore send a tank or call in an airstrike, the moment they suspect any dissident rumblings! That's why things like the "Patriot" act are so insidious; it's subtle, you don't notice it, you just buy the ******** they feed you, "oh this is for your own safety..." and go back to sleep. And if you protest you're branded as a liberal or a commie or a ***got and then your ignored. It's a **** poor state of affairs and a reminder of fukbags like Senator McCarthy!

Let's see
Obama Supporter OR Gun Owner? Which to choose, which to choose?
Luckily my 3 12 gauges, the semi-auto 22, the 358 special all say I have the right to shoot anyone who comes on my property and tells me I can't support Obama.

John McCain was, is, and will be a failure... Could someone say that McCain is or was ever brilliant? Nope, because he is not! He finished 894 out of 899 in the Navy Academy. That dumb guy deserves to be president? People... will a real patriot want to elect a dumb president? I don't think so either... I care for my country too much, do you? PLEASE WATCH THIS AND THEN COMMENT

Bush actions that are impeachable: 1) Wireless wiretapping 2)Fabricating evidence in order to justify Iraq invasion 3)Ordering the outing of Valerie Plame 4)Ordering the torture of prisoners in Guantanamo 5) Covering up the mass political firings at the Justice Department 6) Attempting to have evidence forged linking Sadaam with the 9/11 attacks 7) Ordering his subordinates to defy Congressional orders to testify under oath 8) Ordering prisoners to be sent to secret prisons overseas to be tortured. There's at least eight that I came up with right off the top of my head. The ironic thing is that Bush very likely will be indicted as a war criminal long before the US ever holds him accountable for anything.

More lies and fear tactics from the far right and their allies. The NRA is really putting its credibility at stake. There are many gun owners stung by this lousy economy who have been screwed by Bush/McCain economics who may look at this ad campaign and lose some respect for the NRA. The rest of us will see the NRA for the partisan hacks they are, and not take them seriously.

I am an Obama supporter and a gun owner. I know that my candidate is not interested in taking my guns.
I will not, however, be renewing my membership to the NRA. This guy is a nutcase and the organization is going off the deep end to allow these lies to be distributed.

What does Reverend Wright have to with the gun issue? It's clear that the NRA isn't a pro-gun group at all. It's just another arm of the Republican smear machine. McCain should condemn this type of personal attack. This is disgusting.

Obama says he wants to protect hunters and target shooters. That is standard liberal code. If he believes in gun ownership for personal defense, he should say so and shut this kind of ad down. My bet is he will continue to be non-specific.

Anyone who cannot be trusted with a gun, cannot be trusted to be out of jail. The very notion of gun control is incompatible with a free society. Gun control only harms the victims of crime. Gun control empowers and assists the predators in carrying out their despicable crimes. Check out Jews for the Preservation of
Firearms Ownership for the reality of gun control.

The following is a comment by another that really affected me. I have shared it with family and friends and other blogs and thought it would be appropriate to share again.
Letter to The Editor,
Each year I get to celebrate Independence Day twice. On June 30 I
Celebrate my independence day-- and on July 4 I celebrate America's. This year is Special, because it marks the 40th anniversary of my independence.
On June 30, 1968, I escaped communist Cuba and a few months later I was In The United States to stay. That I happened to arrive in Richmond on Thanksgiving Day is just part of the story, but I digress. I've thought a lot about the anniversary this year because the election-year Rhetoric has made me think a lot about Cuba and what transpired there.
In the late 1950s, most Cubans thought
Cuba needed a change, and they were right. When a young leader came along, every Cuban was at least
receptive and when the young leader spoke eloquently and passionately and denounced the old system, the press fell in love with him. They did not question who his Friends were or what he believed in because when he said he would help the farmers and the poor and bring free medical care and education to all, everyone agreed. When he said he would bring justice and equality to all, everyone said 'Praise the Lord.' And when the young leader said, 'I will bring you change,' everyone yelled, 'Viva Fidel!'
Unfortunately nobody asked about the change, so by the time the executioner's guns went silent the people's guns had been taken away. By the time everyone was equal, they were equally poor, hungry, and oppressed. By the time everyone received their free education it was worth nothing. By the time the press noticed, it was too late, because they were now working for him. By the time the change was fully implemented Cuba had been knocked down a couple of notches to Third-World status. By the time the change was over -- more than a million people had taken to boats, rafts, and inner tubes.
You can call those who made it ashore anywhere else in the world the most fortunate Cubans. And now I'm back to the beginning of my story.
This is an election year and I wonder .. can Americans fall for a young charismatic leader who promises change without demanding full disclosure of what changes he will make .. how they will be carried out and what it will cost America?
Can THAT happen in America? Will it?
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Posted by: Kaelindaria | Jul 24, 2008 4:18:17 AM

Folks - complaining here does nothing. Send your comments to the NRA. Here is the letter I just fired off.
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I'm deeply disappointed to see the recent propaganda being distributed by the NRA in the presidential race regarding Barack Obama. As a moderate, I've chosen to donate to the NRA before, as I believe in the fundamental mission of the organization to protect my Second Amendment rights. Playing dirty politics has nothing to do with the mission of the organization. Distributing propaganda that contains twisted lies and distorted words has nothing to do with the mission of the organization. Including statements about Rev. Wright is even more outrageous. That has absolutely nothing to do with the mission of the organization.
While your mailings may be good for rousing up enthusiasts, it only hurts the organizations efforts to have broad-based appeal that could truly change attitudes and ultimately laws in this country. Nothing is ever accomplished solely by having enthusiasts on your side (or extremists for that matter). You must convince a majority of those in the middle, and here you have failed miserably.
Signed,
A bitter gun owner who votes....Obama.

What did you expect from the biggest bunch of liars in the US of A. I used to buy all that gun crap, but when they came out against my union, I realized this was just a front for the Republican Party. I thought, What does my belonging to a union have to do with gun rights? I lodged a protest and let my membership lapse.That was 16 years ago. I have not regretted it one bit. I am not anti-gun or anti-hunting. I avidly hunt deer every year with a rifle in Michigan and would do more hunting if only I had more time. i have hunted since I was ten and shot firearms since I was 6.

As an NRA member this is despicable and misleading. I don't believe Obama is a friend whatsoever to Responsible Gun Owners of this country but this kind of slimy propaganda should churn anyones stomach. I'll be letting them know my feelings, hope other members will do the same. If your going to attack a candidate, get your facts straight and don't treat those you represent as if they are all sheep. Be above the fray....