posted March 10, 200103:09 AM
The debris was almost certainly just debris. Either that, or a bit of one of the main FC ships. It would be dumb to build a model of an entire ship just to break off one little chunk to use on screen...

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posted March 10, 200110:00 AM
It definitely wasn't one of the main FC ships; while it did have the diamond lifeboats, they were far too big compared to the ship's forward shuttlebay doors for it to have been one of the known classes. It could've been just a generic piece of debris, but who knows, maybe there exists a cut scene showing the whole thing.

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We´ve discussed this pic before and I think the conclusion was that it must be from an hitherto unknown ship and we just associated it with the Zandura-class. I can´t tell from the new pic if this is likely or not. What I would like to know is if there are anymore pics out there of this debris

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posted March 13, 200109:32 AM
I only now realized that the piece of debris is an actual physical model, not a CGI fragment. The last picture seems to show this piece of debris resting on a table or something, with painted-in "flames" on the damaged area. Or if the pic's CGI, it doesn't seem to come from the movie...

It's highly unlikely that the modelmakers would have built an all-new model of these complex shapes (even if it was an unlit study model) and then only used this small fragment. This is even less likely than them doing a full CGI ship and then using a fragment...

So perhaps this was an Enterprise part that did not come out of a mold right, or a lamp shade or water cooler part or something, and somebody simply applied two shades of blue paint and some decals manufactured for the E-E model, and created this debris without ever creating the corresponding ship?

posted March 13, 200110:18 AM
Actually, that last one is taken from the TNG Movie sketchbook. It's the gag labal for First Contact liquor - the pinkish thing in the upper left corner is Zephram Cochrane's face.

Anyway, more importantly is what Jaeger says of the Zandura class: "I also named another ship that did not appear in the film the Zandura-class, a prototype science ship (like the Grissom) with separation capabilities for atmospheric flight conditions."

I wonder how this fits in with the sketch above?

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posted March 13, 200110:48 AM
If you want my opinion (probably don't) I think it could be a scout version to the Akira class. It looks more like a Akira than a Sabre or a Steamrunner. So I am only guessing that this ship with almost any visibel armament could be just a scout. The four nacelle design shows that it's build for high speed (or at least gives the impression) and little armament. So this ship is supposed to scout ahead for enemy ships, locate them then retreat back to the fleet.

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posted March 13, 200101:33 PM
I really don't think it's a type of science ship. Starfleet already has two different classes that fill that role. The Oberths, and the Oberth's replacement, the Novas. I honestly think that the Zandura is some type of border patrol ship, or maybe a kind of law enforcement ship.

After all you can't pull an Akira out of it's patrol duties in Cardassian or Dominion space to keep the locals under control whenever an incident occures in Federation space. As a matter of fact, now that I think about it, a 4 nacelled ship would be good for law enforcement because it can get to a trouble spot very quickly.

Man. A Star Trek Micro Machine of the Zandura would be soooooooo cool! By the way, do you like my new signature?

I think I'm in love. If someone could come up with a good set of line drawings (fore/aft/side), I'd love to do a deck plans of this thing. Especially with the nacelle separation idea.

What an elegant design, which fills a niche no other ship does. The Oberth has a massive secondary hull, which I have always assumed was a fairing enclosing a huge sensor cluster (for survey work in orbit, or near stellar phenomena). This new vessel, by separating from its massive (and ungainly) warp necelle configuration, is small enough for ROUTINE planetary landings, Sort of an extra-large Science Runabout - perfect for on-sight planetary surveys.

Or as someone mentioned, courier vessel (which might make it a Corvette).

posted March 13, 200107:30 PM
Listen, what's the big deal here? It's just a conceptual sketch for a starship, and not a very good one at that. No wonder it never went any further, and, as I said above, you can ever see where one or two parts have been re-used in the finished versions of the other FC ships. There's nothing to get all excited about, wetting your pants as you speculate on its purpose. I didn't notice anyone having orgasms over the Streamrunner class. . .

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posted March 14, 200103:07 AM
I have to agree with Mark, it´s a beautiful ship. Moreover, since there exists an unidentified piece of debris that could or could not be based on that design, it becomes important to find out if indeed the modelmaker used Jaeger´s design or not.

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