Also, Porters stats come slightly tainted by the fact that he had to be THE MAN at Gtown for a chunk of the year, no? In a system like Cleveland's where he wont be the primary ball handler and can do what he does best, I think he's MORE valuable. I think if he plays on that Indiana team or somewhere else with talent, his %'s could have been even better.

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I am not in town so I don't know if it's accurate but I have heard that if the Cavs don't get the first pick for Noel they are going to aggressively shop the pick for a proven veteran.

Is this what you guys are hearing also? If so, what veterans are you hearing they will target?

It seems that if they could land the 2nd or 3rd pick and a real chance to take Porter they should do that and then try and package their other future picks (#19 + future 1 sts) to try and get the veteran big we need. Maybe our future 1sts aren't enough to get a proven veteran big?

YahooFanChicago wrote:I am not in town so I don't know if it's accurate but I have heard that if the Cavs don't get the first pick for Noel they are going to aggressively shop the pick for a proven veteran.

Is this what you guys are hearing also? If so, what veterans are you hearing they will target?

It seems that if they could land the 2nd or 3rd pick and a real chance to take Porter they should do that and then try and package their other future picks (#19 + future 1 sts) to try and get the veteran big we need. Maybe our future 1sts aren't enough to get a proven veteran big?

Sounds like BS to me. I haven't heard anything about it, and I don't know how many available veterans are worth a top 6 pick, even in this draft. We've seen this story before, and its called Randy Foye and Mike Miller for the pick that would become Ricky Rubio. Its also called Gerald Wallace for the pick that became Damian Lillard.

If we really want vets, we can sign them in free agency. Most of this probably is coming off the Cavs interested in Love or Aldridge rumors (like there are more than 5 teams that AREN'T interested in those two players at any time) that popped again recently.

I hope you're right and that rumor is BS. At least if the pick is a top 2 or 3 pick since it seems that there are 2 or 3 guys in this draft that would help us and fit a real need.

That said, I guess if the Cavs can get Kevin Love they need to do it with any availablee assets besides Kyrie. Other then Kyrie, the house, the car and the first born any idea what Flip Saunders will be looking for and why would they want to trade him in the first place? Him and Rubio seem like the core they should be building around not breaking-up.

This is all born from the very true rumors that they want to try and pull off their own Harden trade (if only Harden were dumped this year, they would have had a real shot).

Love is going to end up moved I'd guess. After Kahn saved their max extension slot for Rubio and only offered him four years that bridge burned up. Love wasn't just pissed, he pretty much mentally left Minny that day. Rumor has it LA is his destiny (he's an LA kid), but we'll see. I know one thing, I've never seen a GM run off a borderline star like Kahn did Love.

Bennett is a guy I havent seen talked about much in this thread. Thoughts?

Bennett's getting some love in the mock draft circles. However, he listed as 6'7 or 6'8 and is seen as a tweener SF/PF guy.. likely a PF, though. If eye is correct on the Cav's needs assessment, he is not a perimeter defender nor a three-point shooter. The other Cav need is rim-defender and I am not sure that is Bennett's forte, either. They say he is incredibly athletic, has a decent mid-range game and has a wingspan of 7'1. I would prefer him over TT, but not sure I prefer him over Porter for us right now.

EDIT: I just looked it up, Bennett shot 36 of 96 at the three point line for 37.5%. That's a lot of 3s and a decent percent for a PF.

jb wrote:Porter screems "Chris Grsant pick" to me.

My fear is that some guy ranked at about #11 is screaming "draft me with the 3rd pick" to Chris Grant right now. The last two drafts tell me that!!

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e0y2e3 wrote:Fuck Len, soft as motherscratcher. Gobert and Adams really intrique me. Hell if Gobert keeps shooting as well as he did yesterday in real workout he intriques me at 5.

According to the NBA Mock Lottery generator at http://espn.go.com/nba/lottery2013/mockdraft#It appears they think Len is 3rd on our board and we will pick him (over Pido and McLemore) if the ping pong balls are unkind to us1) Noel2) Potter3) Len

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Gradysmanldy wrote:Zero chances that Gobert/Len are available anywhere near where the Cavs have trade-up-to firepower.

I wouldn't be so sure, this team is uniquely positioned to trade up to just about anywhere. We have more draft picks and cap space than probably any other team. I don't think you can trade any pick that could potentially be in the 2014 draft, because it is just too stacked, but after that there are still plenty of picks. Plus, we have Varejao as a trade chip. His value is definitely down compared to what it was, but would the Thunder, for example, rather have him than Perkins?

Official Measurements of noteVictor Oladipo: 6'4.25" with a 6'9.25" wingspanOtto Porter: 6'8.5" with a 7'1.5" wingspanNerlins Noel: 6'11.75" with a 7'3.75" wingspanRudy Gobert: 7'2" with a 7'8.5" wingspanSteven Adams: 7'0" with a 7'4.5" wingspan

It should also be noted that Porter was sub-200lbs and Noel was only slightly over 200lbs. Gobert measured slightly larger than JaVale McGee, and has a ridiculous standing reach of 9'7"! Adams was also very impressive with huge hands. DX compared his measurements to that of Greg Oden.

Additionally, Trey Burke measured out very well, at a solid 6'1 with a very long wingspan for a guard. This can only help us, as it should push his stock even higher.

Non-measurablesGiannis Adetokunbo apparently has a first round promise from a team.

Almost forgot this, but Otto Porter said he is interested in playing for the Cavs.

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6'4" with a 6'9" reach makes Pido less attractive than just overpaying for Tony Allen. Although that Forty Freaking Two Inch vertical certainly hushes the "not athletic" claims.

And if during workouts (like real workouts, not the combine) Gobert's jumper still exists rolling the dice on potentially get JaVale McGee (minus the moronicity) is really attractive if Nole and Porter are gone and also is a damned fine trade up target.

How about a trade for Luol Deng?Sure he has been nicked up like Andy the last 2 years and he is due to make $13 mil...

That Jimmy Butler dude plays solid D and his Offense in the playoffs was solid. He is under a rookie contract for the next few year and Deng has exp. contract in 2014.

Deng is a good outside shooter who can make things easier with his polished offensive game,28 years old and much better suited to sign for less money than other players at his age. Sure its fun to watch Alonzo Gee dunk in-game but can't we find a better option.

The price for Deng might be Varejao + a 2nd round pick. Thinking If the Bulls have Andy in the fold, it would be a lot easier to amnesty Boozer salary of the books.

The question I think is can we find a better player via trade or draft for the SF position(Last year, Andre Iguodala would've been so nice to trade for with his perimeter Def)I like Otto Porter, he sounds like Jeff Green 2.0.IMO this team needs a vet, and we need to make a serious push for the playoffs now before Kyrie starts thinking about greener pastures. [/offtopic]Eric Maynor would be a awesome as a back-up PG/via free ageny[offtopic]

So that frees us up (maybe trade down a couple of picks) to go for dipo, who Mike Brown would covet as a good defender, although the more I read on Gobert the more he grows on me. Just not at as high as 4th 5th or 6th overall. You know the typical Chris Grant reach...

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How about a trade for Luol Deng?Sure he has been nicked up like Andy the last 2 years and he is due to make $13 mil...

That Jimmy Butler dude plays solid D and his Offense in the playoffs was solid. He is under a rookie contract for the next few year and Deng has exp. contract in 2014.

Deng is a good outside shooter who can make things easier with his polished offensive game,28 years old and much better suited to sign for less money than other players at his age. Sure its fun to watch Alonzo Gee dunk in-game but can't we find a better option.

The price for Deng might be Varejao + a 2nd round pick. Thinking If the Bulls have Andy in the fold, it would be a lot easier to amnesty Boozer salary of the books.

The question I think is can we find a better player via trade or draft for the SF position(Last year, Andre Iguodala would've been so nice to trade for with his perimeter Def)I like Otto Porter, he sounds like Jeff Green 2.0.IMO this team needs a vet, and we need to make a serious push for the playoffs now before Kyrie starts thinking about greener pastures. [/offtopic]Eric Maynor would be a awesome as a back-up PG/via free ageny[offtopic]

So that frees us up (maybe trade down a couple of picks) to go for dipo, who Mike Brown would covet as a good defender, although the more I read on Gobert the more he grows on me. Just not at as high as 4th 5th or 6th overall. You know the typical Chris Grant reach...

Bulls already have their AV in Noah. Boozer is a much better offensive player than AV is so this trade makes zero sense for Chicago to run out 2 identical players in Noah and Varejao and furthur limit your offense.

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How about a trade for Luol Deng?Sure he has been nicked up like Andy the last 2 years and he is due to make $13 mil...

That Jimmy Butler dude plays solid D and his Offense in the playoffs was solid. He is under a rookie contract for the next few year and Deng has exp. contract in 2014.

Deng is a good outside shooter who can make things easier with his polished offensive game,28 years old and much better suited to sign for less money than other players at his age. Sure its fun to watch Alonzo Gee dunk in-game but can't we find a better option.

The price for Deng might be Varejao + a 2nd round pick. Thinking If the Bulls have Andy in the fold, it would be a lot easier to amnesty Boozer salary of the books.

The question I think is can we find a better player via trade or draft for the SF position(Last year, Andre Iguodala would've been so nice to trade for with his perimeter Def)I like Otto Porter, he sounds like Jeff Green 2.0.IMO this team needs a vet, and we need to make a serious push for the playoffs now before Kyrie starts thinking about greener pastures. [/offtopic]Eric Maynor would be a awesome as a back-up PG/via free ageny[offtopic]

So that frees us up (maybe trade down a couple of picks) to go for dipo, who Mike Brown would covet as a good defender, although the more I read on Gobert the more he grows on me. Just not at as high as 4th 5th or 6th overall. You know the typical Chris Grant reach...

Bulls already have their AV in Noah. Boozer is a much better offensive player than AV is so this trade makes zero sense for Chicago to run out 2 identical players in Noah and Varejao and furthur limit your offense.

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give me the short version, who the hell do we draft? Who's the "Irving"?

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motherscratcher wrote:How does Noel stack up compared to Anthony Davis?

Maybe I'm missing something, but Davis was a hell of a lot better a college offensive player than Noel. Way more game, way more creativity and way more handle for a big guy. Noel is a garbage guy/back end of lobs guy who's a tremendous mistake eraser on defense and who could develop a back to the basket game offensively.

BUT.... probably can't minimize how impactful a defensive presence on this shitty defensive team that's about to get a defensive lesson would be.

peeker643 wrote:BUT.... probably can't minimize how impactful a defensive presence on this shitty defensive team that's about to get a defensive lesson would be.

This. You can't even begin to lay down how bad this team needs a guy like him. My guess, Waiters is traded by the end of the year because him and Kyrie doesn't work. Nerlens and Kyrie are the future. With Tristan (fuck it's weird and hard to write that)