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Re: Hot Topic: NBA Backup Centers

Serious question, have you ever seen Reggie Evans play or is just YouTube stuff? or if you have isn't that going against your "not looking at the green grass" believe?

Not taking a shot at you by the way I'm just asking because every single thing you are saying about him doesn't match the player I know.

Sex (Balls), Lies (Stats), Videotape (Youtube) basketball style. Tell us what proof do you have reggie evans is a good defensive player, we want to know what you see. Please cite references.

For example, in Nets vs Bulls playoff series. Carlos Boozer had 18 points/game on 55% shooting, while against Heat he had 16 points/game on 43% shooting. So according to this Shane Battier is better at defending Boozer than Evans.

Re: Hot Topic: NBA Backup Centers

I am okay with Reggie Evans......cuz he is a rebounding specialist and would fit into the whole "rebounding" philosophy that we have on both ends of the court. It would change the whole dynamic of how the defense operates since he would be trying to defend the low post but more than likely waiting for the eventual offensive rebound while ( likely ) doing a poor job of challenging shots. To me, he is just a different type of cog that would give the Team more 2nd chance opportunities through rebounding......instead of what Mahinmi does ( effectively defend the post and challenge drive penetration ). But in the end, I dont see how we could acquire him anyway.....so it's all moot.

Re: Hot Topic: NBA Backup Centers

Reggie Evans started at Center vs. Portland and played 27 minutes. Here are all of the shots Portland took within 10', all of the rebounds Reggie got, and all of the fouls that Brooklyn big men committed while Evans was on the court. Full disclosure, I am posting these before I watch any of them:

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Re: Hot Topic: NBA Backup Centers

Here is a good article about Reggie Evans

Dennis Rodman. Ben Wallace. Reggie Evans.
Yes, these are the names of three human men. But I would argue that they have even more than that in common.
They all play, or have played, professional basketball.
I rest my case.
No, wait, there’s more! These guys have all built their NBA careers around defense and rebounding. They bring toughness and can dominate games despite being severely offensively challenged.

Rodman once averaged a stratospheric 18.7 rebounds per game when he played for the Pistons. A decade later Ben Wallace averaged 15.4 rebounds in 2003 for the Pistons. Reggie Evans’ career high you ask? 11.5.

Not so impressive, you might be thinking. Well I invite you to stop thinking and listen to (read) this. Evans has almost always come off the bench in his career, and the most minutes per game he has averaged was 26.6 a couple of years ago for Toronto. He averages 19 mpg for his career.

When he is in the game, Reginald Jamaal Evans (thanks Wikipedia) grabs rebounds like nobody else in the league right now. That’s not just a turn of phrase; this year for the Brooklyn Nets he is averaging over 20 rebounds per 48 minutes (22 as of November 28th). He grabs 1/4 of ALL rebounds when he’s on the court.

Not only is he an elite rebounder but he’s also a great defender too. He might not be as versatile as Dennis Rodman (who used to guard Michael Jordan at times despite being a power forward) or a great shot blocker like Ben Wallace, but if you want some evidence of his defensive abilities, watch the Clippers-Grizzlies series from last year. He locked down Zach Randolph in that series and LA wouldn’t have won without him.

Despite his great play for the Clips however, they traded him away after the playoffs for a second-round draft pick. And that’s kind of been the story of his career.

Brooklyn is his 6th NBA team. He’s never had a big contract, and at the age of 32 he never will. He’s currently earning about $1.5 million a year (Ben Wallace’s agent once tricked the Chicago Bulls into paying him $60 million over four years when he was past his prime).

I believe he has been criminally underrated throughout his career by both coaches and GMs alike.

Re: Hot Topic: NBA Backup Centers

It was reported Pacers had interest in Evans over the offseason. If we could not acquire him then I don't understand the obsession now. There are several RealGM threads and Brooklyn has one as well, I highly doubt Brooklyn will part with Evans because he is too cheap. If someone wants to propose Copeland to them for Evans and see what the reaction is be my guest.

I just don't believe Evans to be realistic. Any trade at the deadline is probably going to be with a WC team anyways.

Re: Hot Topic: NBA Backup Centers

How about a back up center who is 6-11, athletic, a true rim protector. Averages 10.9 points, 8.5 rebounds, and 1.8 blocks per 36 minutes on 45% shooting? Same price as Mahinmi? Any takers?

As you might have guessed, I'm talking about Ian Mahinmi himself. Specifically, his 2012-13 season with the Pacers.

Perhaps the solution is time.

How much time?

Maybe it should be established what exactly is Mahimni's upside. How much better can he get? If he's at 85-90% of what he can accomplish as a big, is that 10-15% worth waiting on to develop? How much more can or will he develop?

I'm not saying Mahinmi has to be traded, but to look to see if there is a better option even if a trade of any of the following of OJ, Solo, Copeland, and 2nd rd pick could bring in another 5 that could push Mahinmi or take his job.

Re: Hot Topic: NBA Backup Centers

Maybe it should be established what exactly is Mahimni's upside. How much better can he get? If he's at 85-90% of what he can accomplish as a big, is that 10-15% worth waiting on to develop? How much more can or will he develop?

I'm not saying Mahinmi has to be traded, but to look to see if there is a better option even if a trade of any of the following of OJ, Solo, Copeland, and 2nd rd pick could bring in another 5 that could push Mahinmi or take his job.

Well, he achieved those numbers last year. So we aren't talking upside here. We are hoping that his early offensive performance is an anomaly, and that his 2013-14 numbers will eventually resemble his numbers last year.

Basically, we aren't hoping for a miracle here. We are hoping that the Pacers will get the "old" Mahinmi back. My money is on the fact that the old Mahinmi will show up.

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Re: Hot Topic: NBA Backup Centers

I guess there is a degree of Ian slamming going on but I took the idea of the thread as searching for another big man for the bench with the extra roster spot.
I wouldn't be opposed to moving Ian this summer especially if we have to reduce salary but I don't want to move anyone during this season.

Re: Hot Topic: NBA Backup Centers

Serious question, have you ever seen Reggie Evans play or is just YouTube stuff? or if you have isn't that going against your "not looking at the green grass" believe?

Not taking a shot at you by the way I'm just asking because every single thing you are saying about him doesn't match the player I know.

Yes, I have watched Reggie Evans play several times. I always watch the teams that are very close to us in the standings and the Nets were close to us last season and we didn't match up well with them either. So, I watched a lot of their games.

I don't have a "don't look at the green grass" belief. I love watching other teams and I do so daily unless I have something serious to do when the games are on. I don't know how you got the idea that I have a "don't look at the green grass" belief but it certainly isn't true. I just don't overrate players simply because they are not playing for us. That's it.

Apart from watching games daily I also tend to talk with several fans of other teams. Feel free to ask some fans of the Nets about Reggie Evans. They will echo what I said in this thread.

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Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.

Evans had one good defensive stand on the Lillard drive and a decent one on RoLo's hook shot but other than that Portland was able to drive to the hoop with ease when he was on the court.

It's important to note that Evans has fallen out of favor in Brooklyn currently. He has lost his spot by Mason Plumlee and Mirza Teletovic and has received several DNPs in the last few games. It's also important to note that he is shooting 35.7% (exactly like Ian). And it's also important to note that he doesn't offer anything else besides rebounding. In 219 minutes this year, he only has 2 blocks, 3 steals and 1 assist to offer. He also has 16 turnovers so far. For a comparison, Ian has 18 blocks, 9 steals and 3 assists (and 20 turnovers) in 314 minutes. In other words, the only advantage that Reggie Evans has on Ian is rebounding.

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Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.

Re: Hot Topic: NBA Backup Centers

If we really do need a 3rd string center, what would it take to
buy out Stanko Barac's contract from Efes Istanbul in Turkey?

The Pacers still hold his NBA rights, he is 27 years old, listed
at 7'1'' 245lbs, and has been an active player for many years
in Europe.

Unless there are issues the Pacers know about that we don't,
I don't see why he couldn't be a viable option for a 3rd-string
"emergency backup" center if not too expensive to get him
out of his contract in Turkey.

Re: Hot Topic: NBA Backup Centers

If we really do need a 3rd string center, what would it take to
buy out Stanko Barac's contract from Efes Istanbul in Turkey?

The Pacers still hold his NBA rights, he is 27 years old, listed
at 7'1'' 245lbs, and has been an active player for many years
in Europe.

Unless there are issues the Pacers know about that we don't,
I don't see why he couldn't be a viable option for a 3rd-string
"emergency backup" center if not too expensive to get him
out of his contract in Turkey.

Well, Barac's contract ends this summer. My guess is that we'd have to wait at least until Anadolu's Euroleague season comes to an end before calling him over (if we wanted to do so). European clubs tend to complete some moves when their Euroleague seasons come to an end as they are gearing towards the playoffs of their national leagues.

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Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.

Re: Hot Topic: NBA Backup Centers

What about Chris Hunter at 6'11"? He was on the Warriors a few seasons back and plays for the Mad Ants?

I remember that he did a fairly good job as a backup Center with the Warriors. I have no idea if he is a rim protector...but he has size and I assume can fill some space in the Paint

Anyone have any other suggestions as to who we can get as a potential Backup Center to Hibbert to replace Mahinmi as the primary backup C or even someone as a 3rd option?

I'm running out of ideas.

He played yesterday for the Mad Ants, according to the nba.com's NBDL site. He had 10 points on 5/11 shooting, 5 rebounds, 1 assist and 1 block against Iowa Energy in 15 minutes.

For what it's worth, the Mad Ants are led in rebounding by Sadiel Rojas, a 6'4 G/F that is averaging 10.4 RPG in 5 games.

Look, it isn't hard to find a 3rd Center if we want to. I just don't know if the FO views it as a necessity. If they do then it will be quite easy to find a 3rd Center. If we just need a very large body then we can easily find it.

I mean, just by doing a little search in Euroleague's bottom feeders I can find 3 players over 7'1 that could be enticed to come to the NBA if we wanted them to.

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Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.

Re: Hot Topic: NBA Backup Centers

Well, Barac's contract ends this summer. My guess is that we'd have to wait at least until Anadolu's Euroleague season comes to an end before calling him over (if we wanted to do so). European clubs tend to complete some moves when their Euroleague seasons come to an end as they are gearing towards the playoffs of their national leagues.

The issue here is that Barac is no longer with Saski Baskonia (now know as Laboral Kutxa Vitoria). At the summer of 2011 (July 6, to be precise) he signed a 3 year deal with Anadolu Efes which comes to an end in July 6, 2014. That's when his contract ends and I have no idea if his contract with Efes has an NBA opt-out clause.

Now, about when the Euroleague season ends. Well, it varies. The Final Four is played in May. This year's Final Four starts in May 16 and ends in May 18. The chances of Anadolu reaching the Final Four are quite slim, though. On the other hand, it is quite likely that they will advance to the top 16 which starts in January 2 and ends in April 11. I think that April 11 would be too late to bring him over.

So, if we want to bring Stanko over we should probably hope that they don't advance to the top 16.

PS: There is a combination that brings Efes to the 5th place of its group and thus unable to advance to the top 16. They would have to lose their last game against Real Madrid (quite possible since Real Madrid is 8-0), Brose Baskets would have to beat EA7 Emporio Armani in Italy (Brose is 3-5 while Armani is 4-4), EA7 Emporio Armani would have to beat Strasbourg in France (Strasbourg is 2-6) and then Zalgiris Kaunas would have to beat Brose Baskets in Germany (Zalgiris is 4-5).

In other words, we would want Emporio Armani and Zalgiris to have 5 victories and end with a 5-5 record while Brose Baskets is tied with Anadolu with a 4-6 record. In that case, Anadolu Efes would finish 5th because they have lost both games against Brose. On the other hand, we don't want a triple tie because they hold the tie-breaker against both Zalgiris and Emporio Armani.

Last edited by Nuntius; 12-13-2013 at 06:57 AM.

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