locomotive

OldConserv

"those who feel morally opposed to abortion procedures should not at the same time strive through political means (paradoxically, for those same moral/religious reasons) to undermine contraceptive accessibility and defund sexual education programming"

I have no problem with making contraceptives more accessible. IF my tax dollars are not used to do so. AND ONLY IF, the goverbment plays no part in promoting or distributing said contraceptives to minors without first obtaining parental authorization.

I also have no problem with sex education in schools, but ONLY UNDER THESE CONDITIONS! The government cannot mandate private schools to provide said programs. The education programs DO NOT PROMOTE ABORTION as a method of birth control. The education programs MUST state that the only and best method of birth control is ABSTINENCE AND THAT IF ONE DESIRES TO ENGAGE IN SEXUAL ACTIVITY, ONE MUST BE RESPONSIBLE AND AWARE OF THE CONSEQUENCES OF UNPROTECTED SEX.

icart68

On Wednesday, less than 24 hours after a House-Senate conference committee advanced a final version of the two-year budget, State Reps. Mike Foley and Bob Hagan introduced House Bill 222. The sponsors, from Cleveland and Youngstown, respectively, call it a "pro-life gun bill" and made clear in a news release that it should be viewed as a direct answer to the GOP's anti-abortion efforts.

The Foley-Hagan bill would require gun dealers to brief buyers on the types of injuries the gun might cause if fired. Sellers would have to provide buyers with copies of a mandated Health Department study on the hazards of guns.

"If House Republicans were really interested in defending life and protecting women, they would stop obsessing over abortion and focus instead on ways to cut down on gun violence," Foley said in the Democratic duo's news release.

icart68

All that's needed is to add "political persuasion" and icart's ready to go.... Now Loco...You wouldn't be pre-judging me now would you??? I like most republicans, it's just the gynoticians and repubtards who are trying to make laws with such comments as: "a woman's body has a way to shut that whole thing down" and "Rape kits can clean a woman out" and "It's god's gift when a woman gets raped" and "master***ing fetuses" and "abortion leads to cancer" and "pregnancy from rape is very low" and "evolution are lies straight from the pit of h*ll" and "binders full of women"...Should I go on??? Don't even let me get started with caribou barbie or the bachinator, or the witch from RI.... Find ANYWHERE that a dem said something as moronic as these comments, that they just pull out of the air (yes MDN that ones for you)then ask yourself...Do these people "represent" ME???

locomotive

"...irrational dislike of somebody: an unfounded hatred, fear, or mistrust of a person or group, especially one of a particular religion, ethnicity, nationality, sexual preference, or social status..."

All that's needed is to add "political persuasion" and icart's ready to go.

icart68

I have NEVER accused anyone (outside of the MDN trolls) of prejudice!! You have your opinion...I have mine, I've only asked for "actual facts" from you right wingers, of which, has yet to have ANY proof in the pudding!!! Asking for medical or legal facts doesn't relay out to be prejudice...What is prejudice is deleting someone's comments, just because they DO NOT match with yours, now...THAT'S PREJUDICE!!!

locomotive

locomotive

"After years of holding steady, new Center for Disease Control data shows that the United States abortion rate has fallen to an all-time low. It dropped 5 percent between 2008 and 2009, the most recent years for which data is available, the largest decline in the past decade....Why?...The answers seem to have less to do with economic trends, as some have suggested, and potentially more about the more effective contraceptives women are increasingly using...We can see in the data that the decisions women make after becoming pregnant are playing a role, with more deciding to continue with the pregnancy rather than terminate."

TheDiogenist

I believe I've said it before on this site, and if so will reiterate: those who feel morally opposed to abortion procedures should not at the same time strive through political means (paradoxically, for those same moral/religious reasons) to undermine contraceptive accessibility and defund sexual education programming.

ILoveMinotND

You know what scares the life out of me Kayla? A society that keeps progressing down the road where there is no regard for life. Especially the life of those who are completely innocent and cannot protect themselves. What does that say about us as a society that we (you) have become so cold that we (you) think it is ok to kill a child? May God have mercy on us.

locomotive

Veritas, angeR nailed it in his post, so when I repeat it, it'll gain relevancy, won't it? Why? Because I am female and I'm saying the words.

"(L)ive babies are always better off than dead ones. That's universal, and it's not dependent on whether or not the mother is educated, financially and emotionally stable, and in a dedicated relationship."

locomotive

1st, a man's contribution is necessary in order to make the baby, either by AI or the usual method.

2nd, should it be just the woman's decision what to do with the product if the man was willing to be involved in the activity that preceded the pregnancy? That only promotes male irresponsibility in one of two ways: by denying the man any part (it's my body, says the woman) or by allowing the man to have no part (get rid of it, says the man).

3rd, there have been studies done on women who have had abortions. There are repercussions from that decision which no man has had to go through. Crushing guilt, physical problems (scarring, bleeding, pains), remorse, depression have often been experienced by women who went through with abortion procedures.

angeR69

Why don't you try to challenge yourself and watch an ultrasound of an abortion at 12 weeks. Watch it all the way through, and try to open up your mind, and actually analyze what is happening inside the womb. Then come back, in all sincerity, and tell me that that frantic struggle that you saw was just a bag of cells, and nothing more.

angeR69

Talk about missing the point entirely, Kayla, dead babies are dead babies regardless of the socioeconomic condition of the mother. If you want to look at it from that narrow prism, then consider this: live babies are always better off than dead ones. That's universal, and it's not dependent on whether or not the mother is educated, financially and emotionally stable, and in a dedicated relationship.