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Once again, the article discusses whether or not the Dolphins can beat the Jets, something that hasn't been hard for them to do in recent years. Nothing you've posted refutes that contention. In fact, you claim that since Rex Ryan got there the Jets have been a better team. Maybe so, but Rex has also lost 4 out of the 6 games he's coached against the Dolphins. So, what's your argument again? Why exactly are the Dolphins going to have trouble beating the Jets this year?

Lets see...Rookie HC, Rookie QB, coming off yet another losing season at 6-10, without their star WR.

You were the one who brough up head-to-head stats since 2009. I showed you how different teams are since 2009. Dolphins squeezed in couple of tough wins along with couple of big losses to the Jets in last two years. Not sure how u classify that as "hasn't been hard for them" to beat the Jets.

Lets see...Rookie HC, Rookie QB, coming off yet another losing season at 6-10, without their star WR.

You were the one who brough up head-to-head stats since 2009. I showed you how different teams are since 2009. Dolphins squeezed in couple of tough wins along with couple of big losses to the Jets in last two years. Not sure how u classify that as "hasn't been hard for them" to beat the Jets.

haha so the dolphins winning 4 out of the last 6 vs. the Jets are "squeezed wins" but the 2 losses vs the Jets were "big" losses, nice spinjob

like the win in the final week of the season in 08 when the Dolphins won the AFC East title in the Jets building

or the win this past season again last week of the season eliminating the chokejob Sanchez jets from ANY hope of a playoff spot

Lets see...Rookie HC, Rookie QB, coming off yet another losing season at 6-10, without their star WR.

You were the one who brough up head-to-head stats since 2009. I showed you how different teams are since 2009. Dolphins squeezed in couple of tough wins along with couple of big losses to the Jets in last two years. Not sure how u classify that as "hasn't been hard for them" to beat the Jets.

Not a couple of tough wins. Four wins, twice as many as the Jets have over the Dolphins in the same period. So, again, the Dolphins have had no trouble beating the Jets under Ryan. And for all of the question marks raised about the Dolphins, people living in green glass houses shouldn't throw stones. In case you didn't notice, the Jets aren't exactly the odds on favorite to win anything this year. And yes, the Dolphins have been a losing team since 2008-- they've also won 2/3rds of their games against the Jets during that time. So keep spinning. I guess we have to deal with a tag-team of Jets apologists now.

Your 4 wins were by an average of 3.8 PPG
Our 2 wins were by an average of 13 PPG

You won a few meaningless games against us, you matched up well w/ us but clearly the jets were the vastly superior team and heading into 2012 it appears that will not change.

to quote the great Vin Diesel, "it doesnt matter if you win by an inch of a mile, winning is winning" and last time i checked it counts for football as well, and how are they meaningless wins if one of them clinched a playoff spot and and AFC East title? and the other eliminated the Jets from the playoffs

yes the jets were "vastly superior" lol thats why they lost their last 3 games including being eliminated by the Dolphins chokeing terribly and having a lockerroom in turmoil and players quitting and ripping the QB, and yes of course heading into 2012 it will not change...of course because junc says so and junc knows all

Your 4 wins were by an average of 3.8 PPG
Our 2 wins were by an average of 13 PPG

You won a few meaningless games against us, you matched up well w/ us but clearly the jets were the vastly superior team and heading into 2012 it appears that will not change.

Vastly superior? I don't care if Miami won by 1 point or 50 points, the fact is head to head they have come out victorious 5 of the last 7 meetings. Miami obviously haven't been as good overall or as consistent winning games as the Jets are, but there is no way the Jets are "vastly superior" as you put it. 2 games seperated the Dolphins and Jets in the standings and both failed to have a winning record last season. If you think there is a huge gap between the two team you are in for a surprise. The teams talent wise are pretty close, but the Jets have the added fear of a lockeroom implosion that the Dolphins currently don't have. If the Jets get off to a rocky start it may be too much to overcome. That is why I think the Jets could get all the way up to an 8-8 or 9-7 season, but wouldn't be shocked if they completely collapse and win only 4 or 5 games.

to quote the great Vin Diesel, "it doesnt matter if you win by an inch of a mile, winning is winning" and last time i checked it counts for football as well, and how are they meaningless wins if one of them clinched a playoff spot and and AFC East title? and the other eliminated the Jets from the playoffs

yes the jets were "vastly superior" lol thats why they lost their last 3 games including being eliminated by the Dolphins chokeing terribly and having a lockerroom in turmoil and players quitting and ripping the QB, and yes of course heading into 2012 it will not change...of course because junc says so and junc knows all

Absolutely and 8 more reg season wins, 2 more playoff apps and 4 more playoff wins tells us all we need to know.

The person said 2009-2011, 2008 wasn't meaningless for you guys obiously.

Originally Posted by Nublar7

Vastly superior? I don't care if Miami won by 1 point or 50 points, the fact is head to head they have come out victorious 5 of the last 7 meetings. Miami obviously haven't been as good overall or as consistent winning games as the Jets are, but there is no way the Jets are "vastly superior" as you put it. 2 games seperated the Dolphins and Jets in the standings and both failed to have a winning record last season. If you think there is a huge gap between the two team you are in for a surprise. The teams talent wise are pretty close, but the Jets have the added fear of a lockeroom implosion that the Dolphins currently don't have. If the Jets get off to a rocky start it may be too much to overcome. That is why I think the Jets could get all the way up to an 8-8 or 9-7 season, but wouldn't be shocked if they completely collapse and win only 4 or 5 games.

5 of the last 7 and also 5 of the last 8, 5 of the last 9, 5 of the last 10, 5 of the last 11, 5 of the last 12,...

Miami has done a good job head to head, they match up well and seem to play their best when they play the Jets BUT the Jets have been the vastly superior team in recent years. When you haven't won a playoff game in over a decade and the jets have been to 2 of the last 3 title games that alone is vastly superior.

Take out Jets-Miami games and check the records vs. the rest of the league 2009-2011:

You guys can wish all you want about the LR nonsense, that story was completely overblown, it had more to do w/ a frustrated team playing so poorly than anything else. I'd be more worried about a supposed harmonious LR that started out 0-7 and was never in the race than a team 8-5 that collapsed.

talent wise you guys were closer in recent years then you will be this year. Miami is 4th in talent in the division which is likely where they will be in the standing unless they can pass Buf again.

I guess the skins and Giants were close last year too, right? the skins swept them so they must be really close to a SB. For whatever reason Miami has plyed us well in recent years, if you follow the histroy of the series it usually swings every few years from one side to the next though I wouldn't call 5-3 against us a domination. The bottom line is the Jets have been the MUCH better team, it's not debateable. ZERO playoff apps vs. 2 in 3 years w/ 4 playoff wins is not close.

I guess the skins and Giants were close last year too, right? the skins swept them so they must be really close to a SB. For whatever reason Miami has plyed us well in recent years, if you follow the histroy of the series it usually swings every few years from one side to the next though I wouldn't call 5-3 against us a domination. The bottom line is the Jets have been the MUCH better team, it's not debateable. ZERO playoff apps vs. 2 in 3 years w/ 4 playoff wins is not close.