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I think this one gets thrown out of court due to lack of evidence. It's not the OC, it is the putrid offensive line. Look at the evidence. Two separate Off Coord with completely different approaches and the same result. The only consistent thing is both OCs had an OL that is clearly in the bottom half of the NFL.

The OL is the problem. Until it is really fixed we will struggle offensively.

I think this one gets thrown out of court due to lack of evidence. It's not the OC, it is the putrid offensive line. Look at the evidence. Two separate Off Coord with completely different approaches and the same result. The only consistent thing is both OCs had an OL that is clearly in the bottom half of the NFL.

The OL is the problem. Until it is really fixed we will struggle offensively.

Same Result??? 2010-11 we were 12-4 , Haleys 2 years 8-8 and 3-6.....not the same result

I think this one gets thrown out of court due to lack of evidence. It's not the OC, it is the putrid offensive line. Look at the evidence. Two separate Off Coord with completely different approaches and the same result. The only consistent thing is both OCs had an OL that is clearly in the bottom half of the NFL.

The OL is the problem. Until it is really fixed we will struggle offensively.

Nah... we had RZ issues and a drought for a few games when Ben would sit out while nursing injuries but we were always explosive with BA.

I'm defending him, in saying that we as fans do not see the whole picture.

The slow starts are a problem. But people are banging the drum on Haley, as if we were the worst offense in the league, or somewhere near the bottom. We are a one-dimensional offense (slowly becoming two-dimensions w/Bell), and we rank in the middle of the pack offensively. While that is not cause for celebration... If you are going to heap blame on him for our offense's troubles, you should also acknowledge his role in whatever success our offense has.

I just don't like the change-for-change's-sake thought. You might get the ideal OC to replace him, but that doesn't mean much either. I remember Mike Martz coming back into the league (after the Greatest Show on Turf), and everyone thought he'd light up the scoreboard. It did nothing of the sort. People thought Charlie Weis would transform at least the offenses of programs he subsequently went to. (He didn't). The point is: All those episodes did for those teams, was delay push their timetables back, as those guys obviously didn't turn out to be the answer.

If you saw fit to hire a guy, you should give that guy a full shot. Otherwise, you should fire yourself (for hiring someone who was so ill-prepared for the role).

I'm defending him, in saying that we as fans do not see the whole picture.

The slow starts are a problem. But people are banging the drum on Haley, as if we were the worst offense in the league, or somewhere near the bottom. We are a one-dimensional offense (slowly becoming two-dimensions w/Bell), and we rank in the middle of the pack offensively. While that is not cause for celebration... If you are going to heap blame on him for our offense's troubles, you should also acknowledge his role in whatever success our offense has.

I just don't like the change-for-change's-sake thought. You might get the ideal OC to replace him, but that doesn't mean much either. I remember Mike Martz coming back into the league (after the Greatest Show on Turf), and everyone thought he'd light up the scoreboard. It did nothing of the sort. People thought Charlie Weis would transform at least the offenses of programs he subsequently went to. (He didn't). The point is: All those episodes did for those teams, was delay push their timetables back, as those guys obviously didn't turn out to be the answer.

If you saw fit to hire a guy, you should give that guy a full shot. Otherwise, you should fire yourself (for hiring someone who was so ill-prepared for the role).

100% agree if Tomlin actually hired Todd Haley and there is no way of knowing that piece of information. If Haley was forced on him then I can see taking a drastic stance before the end of the season; if Tomlin hired him, then he'll be given ample opportunity to succeed or be the right guy, otherwise, Tomlin would be better served firing himself as you said.

100% agree if Tomlin actually hired Todd Haley and there is no way of knowing that piece of information. If Haley was forced on him then I can see taking a drastic stance before the end of the season; if Tomlin hired him, then he'll be given ample opportunity to succeed or be the right guy, otherwise, Tomlin would be better served firing himself as you said.

Pappy

Well said by both you and "Shoe"

Playing Fantasy Football does not qualify you to be the in the front office or on the coaching staff of the Pittsburgh Steelers. They are professionals and you are not!

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Playing Fantasy Football does not qualify you to be the in the front office or on the coaching staff of the Pittsburgh Steelers. They are professionals and you are not!