I have no idea if he was a good horse. Iwas just pointing out that since both Toedoe Play and Impressive are grandsires of the horse, they would have equal potential genetic contribution to said horse, so the horse would be as much "Toedoe play-bred" as it was "Impressive-bred".

>>>> I guess I should clarify that when I say Impressive bred I mean a horse that has him in the pedigree. That's what everyone around here calls it too.

OK, so you feel that ONE occurance of Impressive in a pedigree makes a horse "Impressive-bred"?

You also said,

>>>> the biggest thing i dislike about Impressive bred horses is that when they blow up, they BLOW UP. I know from experience with several of them. its a well known fact that many Impressive bred horses have a screw loose, especially when crossed with certain lines. i will not even touch a directly bred offspring of Impressive. every one i have met, and this is talking 20 plus, have been nuts. thats JMHO and experience though, and take it with a grain of salt if you wish.

So the horse has Impressive, once, back a ways in its pedigree, and you know for sure that its Impressive ancestry is the reason for the horse to be nuts?

What do you mean by "directly bred offspring of Impressive"? As opposed to... what? Some sort of indirect descendant? Or.... please explain.

My gelding is a great grandson of Impressive and he seems to be as my farrier puts it, "simple minded". Show him what you want, he'll do it. Don't expect him to know what you want because your last horse knew, show him what you want, he'll do it. If he gets mad, back up, take a break, start over. He's smart, he just likes to think things through.

Exactly what I was trying to say. FP said it much better than me however.

Impressive horses are very intelligent. And becasue of that... need to think and work their way through things. So if you get on an push and dont give them a chance to think.... then you can end up with a nasty horse. But IMO that would be the riders fault... not the breeding.

Exactly what I was trying to say. FP said it much better than me however.

Impressive horses are very intelligent. And becasue of that... need to think and work their way through things. So if you get on an push and dont give them a chance to think.... then you can end up with a nasty horse. But IMO that would be the riders fault... not the breeding.

Agreed! I think that is actually why my Impressive mare is a poopwitch. Because I think she was pushed way to fast....

It could be. My gelding was almost ruined because people wanted to just get on and go... and push and pull... with out him understanding. And because people did so he became a bucker. Like a bronc at a rodeo. Once I convinced my mom.... I started him myself. And while I can do anything in the world on him now... without ever worrying... I have to be very VERY careful about who I let ride him. Because he will go back to his old ways real quick if you get in his mouth or just start kickin him. My 3 yr old mare whos impressive bred... I started and she is so mellow and laid back.

People go to quick to blame the breeding. Which in colored horses your run into that problem alot. Breeders get carried away about color... and over look the more important things like temperment, dispostion, conformation, and even bloodlines in the animals they are crossing.
And some people dont like horses that "think"... I DO. I want to have to read my horse... and thats what you find with Impressive bred horses. Most people just dont want to take the time to TEACH them.

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