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Personally, I don't think Denzel Ward will be on the board. I mentioned a while back, you have to go back to 2009 the last time the first CB went off the board AFTER the 11th pick. That's not really good odds for him to fall to our pick.

Wouldn't surprise me if he was gone. Still unless you consider Davenport or Landry elite, Chubb certainly won't be there.

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I also agree that our LB's aren't the worst either. I think we're a pass rushing OLB away from it being a complete group. If our secondary can stay healthy... I'm not opposed to drafting a guy or two, but I don't think they're as bad as one would think.

We're going to need a lot more than just health from our secondary as the group as a whole has very little talent. At CB, we've got one guy who would make every roster in the league. Behind him there is little to no talent. I'm not sure they'd make 30 of the 32 rosters. Healthy or not, its going to an ugly season if our GM continues to sign on his hands and ignore the CB position. We can't go into the season needing to depend on practice squad caliber players to play like quality NFL starters.

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Wouldn't surprise me if he was gone. Still unless you consider Davenport or Landry elite, Chubb certainly won't be there.

Denzel Ward doesn't grade out as an elite CB. He's a tier behind Marshon Lattimore as a prospect, and quite frankly without the hamstring concerns it's not even close. In terms of grade, I have him a smidge ahead of Harold Landry.

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I looked at the Browns 2015 numbers because that was the one season where Pettine didn't have a CB that he could leave on an island. Joe Haden missed most of the season. The Browns secondary really struggled that year. 22nd in yards allowed, 29th in TD allowed and 21st in INT (the year before they were 23rd in yards allowed but 6th in TD allowed and 2nd in INT).

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I looked at the Browns 2015 numbers because that was the one season where Pettine didn't have a CB that he could leave on an island. Joe Haden missed most of the season. The Browns secondary really struggled that year. 22nd in yards allowed, 29th in TD allowed and 21st in INT (the year before they were 23rd in yards allowed but 6th in TD allowed and 2nd in INT).

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We're going to need a lot more than just health from our secondary as the group as a whole has very little talent. At CB, we've got one guy who would make every roster in the league. Behind him there is little to no talent. I'm not sure they'd make 30 of the 32 rosters. Healthy or not, its going to an ugly season if our GM continues to sign on his hands and ignore the CB position. We can't go into the season needing to depend on practice squad caliber players to play like quality NFL starters.

yeah, we're better off at the position than you think we are. Our secondary has had to take on way too much of the workload because of a lack of a pass rush. We've been in the bottom half of the league in sacks the last three seasons with two of those seasons being bottom 5 of the league.

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yeah, we're better off at the position than you think we are. Our secondary has had to take on way too much of the workload because of a lack of a pass rush. We've been in the bottom half of the league in sacks the last three seasons with two of those seasons being bottom 5 of the league.

7, 7, 19.

Those are our sack rankings the last 3 years. You're just flat out making stuff up.

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So in trying to understand the CB puzzle, we have one lead. What does Kyle Fuller have that the other guys in FA didn't have ? Right now, that's all we have to go off of. Obviously Gute would like to fill that hole in FA, but it seems like Fuller is the only guy we have shown interest in thus far. He is bigger at 6'-0". It's not like he would have been a bargain.

No way Fuller was Plan A, B and C if you intended to fill that hole via FA. It's puzzling to me. Any ideas ?

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Just to point out how a statistic can misrepresent reality. Look who we are tied with in 2017 for sacks. Anyone who watched football last year isn't going to mistake the vikes pass rush with our pass rush. Hell, in the last three years the vikes only have ONE more sack than we do. Don't try to tell me our pass rush is ok because of where we are statistically?!? Our pass rush is sadly ineffective.

1 hour ago, Packerraymond said:

7, 7, 19.

Those are our sack rankings the last 3 years. You're just flat out making stuff up.

The fact is, our sack total is not indicative of our pass rush.

Edited March 21 by Dubz41

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Just to point out how a statistic can misrepresent reality. Look who we are tied with in 2017 for sacks. Anyone who watched football last year isn't going to mistake the vikes pass rush with our pass rush. Hell, in the last three years the vikes only have ONE more sack than we do. Don't try to tell me our pass rush is ok because of where we are statistically?!? Our pass rush is sadly ineffective.

The fact is, our sack total is not indicative of our pass rush.

I agree with this. I think our biggest issue has been the complete lack of consistency. Just look at last year. First game of the year against the Seahawks we only had 3 sacks but that was one of the most dominant front 7 performances I have seen in a long time from this defense.

The very next game we also had 3 sacks against the Falcons but our pass rush was almost non-existent. Sacks don't mean crap in the grand scheme of a whole seasons worth of defensive performance. All I care about is did we make the QB uncomfortable in the pocket. Too often QBs were way too comfortable going up against this Packers pass rush.

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That Seattle offensive line was hot garbage. They allowed that kind of pressure every week. GB's front had very little to do with the pressure that day. All they really had to do was simply show up.

Yes, but they did and dominated yet they still had 3 sacks. You can't take away a dominant defensive performance because of your opponent although you can take a look at the whole body of work which wasn't great. The same amount of sacks that happened the very next week in Atlanta which was a crapshow for GB pass rush. Sacks don't mean crap if there also isn't enough pressure on non-sack plays.