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NRA: We’re planning the “fight of the century” against Obama’s gun push

“I warned you this day was coming and now it’s here,” Wayne LaPierre, the NRA’s fiery executive vice president, wrote in a fund-raising letter to the group’s 4 million members. “It’s not about protecting your children. It’s not about stopping crime. It’s about banning your guns … PERIOD!”…

“The NRA sat in on a White House meeting that was sold to the public as an ‘open discussion’ about how to improve school safety.” LaPierre wrote. “But that was a dirty lie. They didn’t listen to gun owners’ concerns…they didn’t consider any real solutions on how we can keep our kids safe. Instead Barack Obama, Joe Biden and their gun ban allies in Congress only want to BLAME you, VILIFY you, BULLY you, and STRIP you of your Second Amendment freedoms.”

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I dare any liberal to explain why violence is down since the repeal of the last assault-weapon ban in America and why violence is soaring in the UK since their ban went into effect. Armed with this knowledge, anyone pushing for gun control is EVIL and should be treated as such.

To those who defended the NRA for not being “partisan”, not taking a liberal or conservative tone…well it’s come home to roost, the fact is, liberals want to take the guns away and any support of a liberal supports their platform.

Supporting Reid was a major mistake by the NRA, the allowed the most powerful liberal to stay in office, one who supports Obama completely. And his weak “backing away” is just that, a ploy to pretend he is in support, but meanwhile, he supports the power base of every liberal who wants to take your gun away…in essence, he is the getaway driver who says “I didn’t rob the bank, I just drove them”…”I didn’t support gun laws, I just supported those who demanded them”…

Finally, a reasonable voice on the right. From RedState of all places:

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So.. your real goal is to invade the homes of innocent civilians, kill their families, and steal their possessions. Nice. Tyranny, thy name is Jack Savage.

Fwiw, my view on the 2nd amendment is basically the same as Judge Scalia’s recent opinion, and I would imagine that’s a fairly mainstream view for most Americans, including most conservatives.

Namely, that the 2nd amendment gives individuals the right to own certain types of weapons that can be hand-carried, as such weapons were understood at the time of the 2nd amendment being written; and that the government can regulate what those types of weapons those can be, and where people can carry them, through democratic processes that reflect the will of society.

To quote: “So yes, there are some limitations that can be imposed. What they are will depend on what the society understood were reasonable limitations at the time.”

Anyone who considers this tyranny simply has no idea what they are talking about. This is government, reflecting the will of society, implementing reasonable limitations that are perfectly Constitutional. This is a mainstream, arguably even a conservative, viewpoint.

By contrast — the notion that the primary purpose of the 2nd amendment is to give individuals the ability to start an insurrection against a democratically elected government — that’s nuts. No reasonable conservative, I would think, could agree with this view point. Yes, individuals have a right to defend themselves. But, no, not the right to actively rebel against the US govt.

The Founding Fathers, after all, explicitly outlawed treason in the Constitution; the Whiskey Rebellion, during Washington’s time, clearly establishing the gov’ts right to suppress armed insurrection by the citizenry; the Civil War, one would think, removed all doubt as the primacy of law over armed insurrection by citizens of the US.

The bottom line is, the government has the right to regulate weapons. Its just that simple. If that makes me a liberal.. or, according to Jack Savage here, someone he would feel comfortable murdering in cold blood so he could eat my snacks.. good luck with that tough guy.. well, obviously, I’m in the wrong place. Y’all have fun.

Time to man up, wingnuts. If you really believe “the notion that the primary purpose of the 2nd amendment is to give individuals the ability to start an insurrection against a democratically elected government,” then go for it. I’ll be the one cheering on the agents of our democratically elected government.

Good for you nra! I hope you get multi millions of new members if they want to keep their 2nd? It sure is nice to have someone anyone stand up for the US and citizens! Too bad our dc bunch don’t have the nra’s mindset!
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I dare any liberal to explain why violence is down since the repeal of the last assault-weapon ban in America and why violence is soaring in the UK since their ban went into effect. Armed with this knowledge, anyone pushing for gun control is EVIL and should be treated as such.

Time to man up, wingnuts. If you really believe “the notion that the primary purpose of the 2nd amendment is to give individuals the ability to start an insurrection against a democratically elected government,” then go for it. I’ll be the one cheering on the agents of our democratically elected government.

The biggest problem with that quote is that the Founding Fathers we’re all guilty of armed insurrection. They clearly believed in it and their writings do advocate for it when “the people” feel that government has become to oppressive. Saying the Founding Fathers would think we’ve reached that point or not can be argued. Saying that the Founder’s were against armed insurrection is a demonstrable lie.

Time to man up, wingnuts. If you really believe “the notion that the primary purpose of the 2nd amendment is to give individuals the ability to start an insurrection against a democratically elected government,” then go for it. I’ll be the one cheering on the agents of our democratically elected government.

lostmotherland on January 16, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Nice strawman you got there. The purpose of the 2nd amendment was not so people could attack their government. It was so they could defend themselves should their government turn tyrannical as many former democracies have done throughout history. And given the total disregard our current “democratically elected” representatives have for our founding documents, I’d argue we’re already going down that same road in this country.

Time to man up, wingnuts. If you really believe “the notion that the primary purpose of the 2nd amendment is to give individuals the ability to start an insurrection against a democratically elected government,” then go for it. I’ll be the one cheering on the agents of our democratically elected government.

lostmotherland on January 16, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Who in the heck is talking about insurrection? Just you and liars like you. If you don’t like the 2nd amendment, then go through the proper procedures in our “democratically elected government.”

Who in the heck is talking about insurrection? Just you and liars like you. If you don’t like the 2nd amendment, then go through the proper procedures in our “democratically elected government.”

BTW, why do you say “wingnut.”

Vince on January 16, 2013 at 2:59 PM

They are. They want it. They want it bad. They figure that if they can taunt the “wingnuts” into some sort of physical fight they will get a two for one. All firearms banned and lots of dead “wingnuts”. It a major win for them. Two bad they don’t have the brains to realize the world of hurt they will have it their desire ever manifests. Hurt not only from the “wingnuts” but from the monster they helped to create.

They are. They want it. They want it bad. They figure that if they can taunt the “wingnuts” into some sort of physical fight they will get a two for one. All firearms banned and lots of dead “wingnuts”. It a major win for them. Two bad they don’t have the brains to realize the world of hurt they will have it their desire ever manifests. Hurt not only from the “wingnuts” but from the monster they helped to create.

Dr. Frank Enstine on January 16, 2013 at 3:15 PM

Exactly, fascism-loving pigs like Lostvaterland are an excellent example of why an armed citizenry is necessary.

I’ve been writing my legilsators-again-today. We really need to flood the zone on this.

If you don’t mind using a canned letter, the Ruger tool is super easy to use to contact everyone at once. It automatically hits your governor, lt gov, US senators and US rep, plus the president and VP.

The contact tool at firearmspolicy.org is easy too, and you can write your own message. It sends to your US rep and senators.

I’m blessed to live in Texas, where my public servants are in favor of gun rights. But I’m not taking anything for granted. I didn’t like those rumors that some Repubs were looking at mag bans as acceptable compromise. Any Repub who votes for bans should be primaried out.

“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”

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“A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue then will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader.”

“In fact, the piling on by the political left, and their cohorts in the media, to use the massacre of little children to advance a pre-existing political agenda that would not have saved those children, disgusts me, personally. The second amendment to the Constitution is a basic right of free people and cannot be nor will it be abridged by the executive power of this or any other president.”

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Time to man up, wingnuts. If you really believe “the notion that the primary purpose of the 2nd amendment is to give individuals the ability to start an insurrection against a democratically elected government,” then go for it. I’ll be the one cheering on the agents of our democratically elected government.

lostmotherland on January 16, 2013 at 2:49 PM

It surprises me not that you misunderstand the intent of the 2nd Amendment. It is there not to support an insurrection against the government, but for the purposes of self-defense against a tyrannical government that has turned on its citizens as very many have throughout history. I would say that your ignorance of history (and the Federalist Papers in particular) is astounding, but you are a liberal, therefore such is to be expected.

This is why we need Nullification. Its time to recognize the US Federal Government as an illegal occupation force. Whatever locality, municipality, county or state that you get control of, especially in the Red states, nullify to the hilt. Nullify all anti-gun regs from Washington, all ObamaCare regs, etc etc. Spread and encourage jury nullification for anyone arrested for defying such ‘laws’.

Time to man up, wingnuts. If you really believe “the notion that the primary purpose of the 2nd amendment is to give individuals the ability to start an insurrection against a democratically elected government,” then go for it. I’ll be the one cheering on the agents of our democratically elected government.

lostmotherland on January 16, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Why would you want an insurrection?

With 60% of the military and a majority of the veterans siding with the “wingnuts”. At that point I suppose you will have wished you had learned how to shoot a gun or supported the 2nd amendment or the U.S. military. I guess you will have to just surrender or prance around a drum circle with a Guy Fawkes mask on…or whatever you progressives do to show your displeasure at a defeat.