Thanks for that. Interesting list. Looks like there is formaldehyde in other fruits however. I still want to know how the body identifies and process synthetic vs naturally occurring. I am not convinced that it is in the same way. Also the difference between the body naturally producing something and injecting a synthetic version of the substance into the body vs inhaling the gaseous emissions. We all know inhaled formaldehyde is toxic. The off gassing from treated furniture and building materials is concerning so I can't imagine that injecting this is perfectly safe either.

If the people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." Thomas Jefferson.

The formaldehyde from treated furniture etc is very different than the formaldehyde your body produces and what vaccines contain.

Perhaps you could provide us with a nice breakdown of each form of formaldehyde from each source and how each form from each source is recognized and processed by the body. That is basically what I said I was interested in didn't I? . I'm aware the formaldehyde from furniture is different than what the body produces.

You should check out the inside vaccines link that's already been posted twice. They have a good run down on formaldehyde.

Yes I have already. doesn't really answer my question specifically but It seems to be that in fact the body does not distinguish between different synthetic forms of formaldehyde although exposure via certain routes are more toxic than others. I also can find NO studies about injecting formaldehyde as opposed to multiple studies on the toxicity of inhalation, ingestion and dermatologic routes of exposure. Why is that?

Let me break it down. You all can go on bickering about pears vs formalin and other synthetic forms of formaldehyde but here's the deal IMO based on my reading and research -THE SHIT IS TOXIC. So for all you "the poison is in the dose" folks - go ahead and feel good about injecting tiny amounts into your child - I will avoid all forms of this chemical to the best of my ability. carry on. I'm out!

How about 16/600 ounces water mixed with a bit if salt - or the saline injection you all bring up as the desired placebo....?

Formaldehyde Exposure and Asthma in Children: A Systematic Review

Results indicate a significant positive association between formaldehyde exposure and childhood asthma. Given the largely cross-sectional nature of the studies underlying this meta-analysis, further well-designed prospective epidemiologic studies are needed

Results indicate a significant positive association between formaldehyde exposure and childhood asthma. Given the largely cross-sectional nature of the studies underlying this meta-analysis, further well-designed prospective epidemiologic studies are needed

That study is about long term exposure to formaldehyde. The dose makes the poison.

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But I think that "the dose makes the poison" is one of the stupider pro-vaccine arguments, especially in light of the horrific effects of lead in doses so tiny as to be unimaginably small. This horrific effects, of course, are at their worst for the fetus and tiny infants, but the problems continue all the way through childhood and there is no evidence that even tiny doses of lead are okay for adults, either.

So far, proper research about the effects of mercury salts on the fetus and infant haven't been conducted. No Needleman has come forward to risk his career, and undergo endless years of attacks, so vaccine enthusiasts can keep claiming there is a "safe" form of mercury, alas.

But I think that "the dose makes the poison" is one of the stupider pro-vaccine arguments, especially in light of the horrific effects of lead in doses so tiny as to be unimaginably small. This horrific effects, of course, are at their worst for the fetus and tiny infants, but the problems continue all the way through childhood and there is no evidence that even tiny doses of lead are okay for adults, either.

So far, proper research about the effects of mercury salts on the fetus and infant haven't been conducted. No Needleman has come forward to risk his career, and undergo endless years of attacks, so vaccine enthusiasts can keep claiming there is a "safe" form of mercury, alas.

It's not a stupid argument. It is a factual statement.

About lead from the CDC:

"No safe blood lead level in children has been identified. Even low levels of lead in blood have been shown to affect IQ, ability to pay attention, and academic achievement. And effects of lead exposure cannot be corrected." http://www.cdc.gov/nceh/lead/ACCLPP/...ead_levels.htm

The key word here is blood level. So in other words, by the time lead is detectible in blood, that level is too high. The amount was high enough that your liver could not take care of it. That does not mean there is no safe level of lead. As an extreme example, an atom of lead would not harm you.

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vaccines are given long term - therefore it is valid - you think one vaccine is given at birth and that's it ?

No.

Did you read the link? It was about children being exposed long term to formaldehyde via carpets, furniture, etc. Not comparable to vaccines.

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"No safe blood lead level in children has been identified. Even low levels of lead in blood have been shown to affect IQ, ability to pay attention, and academic achievement. And effects of lead exposure cannot be corrected." http://www.cdc.gov/nceh/lead/ACCLPP/...ead_levels.htm

The key word here is blood level. So in other words, by the time lead is detectible in blood, that level is too high. The amount was high enough that your liver could not take care of it. That does not mean there is no safe level of lead. As an extreme example, an atom of lead would not harm you.

Lead is unnecessary in the human body. Babies and fetuses shouldn't be exposed to lead. "Safe" level is not a meaningful term for lead, aluminum compounds or mercury compounds.

As I said, unfortunately no Needleman has put his/her career on the line to sort out the mercury exposure problem. Aluminum is being handled pretty well by Exley, fortunately, and he is not afraid to speak up about aluminum salts in vaccines.

The dose makes the poison is really old science. I think the vaccine enthusiasts should find something to spout that doesn't come from Paracelsus (1493-1541). "He was an alchemist, physician, botanist, and astrologer." http://www.egs.edu/library/paracelsus/biography/

It is actually pretty cute that the pro-vaccine are quoting an alchemist and astrologer! Keep it up!

@Deborah
, a safe level does not mean it is beneficial, just that it doesn't cause harm. Two totally different things.

You can argue the point all you like but it is factually true that anything can be safe in small enough dosages and anything can be harmful in large enough ones.

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@Deborah , a safe level does not mean it is beneficial, just that it doesn't cause harm. Two totally different things.

You can argue the point all you like but it is factually true that anything can be safe in small enough dosages and anything can be harmful in large enough ones.

Great!

You will admit that the "safe" level of lead dropped dramatically following Needleman's research. Do you know of anyone who advocates, at this point, exposing a fetus or infant or toddler to lead? Based on there being, as you say, a safe level of exposure, of course.

The research simply hasn't been done to figure out if there is a "safe" level of exposure to aluminum salts in vaccines or other sources for the fetus, infant or toddler. Ditto mercury compounds. Instead we get people spouting a statement from hundreds of years ago from an astrologer and alchemist.

Honestly, I am not overly worried about formaldehyde in vaccines. It does not top the list of concerns with regards to ingredients.

That being said, I think the idea that we should not worry about the level of formaldehyde, aluminum, mercury, etc in vaccines because the "dose makes the poison" is silly. The does makes the poison simply means that more mercury is worse than less mercury. It does not mean that low levels are safe. Some ingredients are sufficiently toxic that even very, very small quantities can harm you. Some are so benign, that it would take huge quantities to harm you.

What we need to know is the safe daily, weekly, monthly level of xyz in people of a specific age, and if the item (vaccines) contain more than the safe level. If we want to be the most prudent - we should also take into account background levels. Aluminum, for example, is in both breastmilk and formula, and a baby has to eat.....ideally we want the total daily aluminum to be under the safe level from all sources.