Kay Adams: "Giants over-hyping Saquon Barkley"

I'm paraphrasing, but she raised an interesting point that I think some folks on BBI have mentioned. She thinks the Giants are doing a disservice to Barkley and the team by over-hyping Barkley. My guess is she was mostly talking about Gettleman's comments, but it raises an interesting question.

Would a 1,200 yard rookie season be a disappointment for most fans? How about 10 touchdowns?

To this point, I donít think itís impossible to see how he might rub people the wrong way, coupled with the fact that he came with the reputation of doing so in his last job as well.

But to your point, yeah, I think there is some pushback. There is a fraction of the membership here that is set on thinking that just because the last guy was fired that decisions going forward are the right ones and arenít worth discussing. When the team is way under .500 over the past five years, sure, any hire and any draft pick can be questioned. It might be a good hire or it might now. The team hasnít given reason for anyone to trust blindly.

If thatís how you choose to go through life, have at it

It's not how I go through life. It's just how I look at a football team that's been bad for half a decade. There's a big difference between opting for a wait and see approach and just assuming everything is going to be okay. There is a lot that has to be figured out with this ball club.

Youíre going to really hold gettleman to those comments he made about Hall of fame and touched by god or whatever... and what, if Barkely tweaks a hammy or turns an ankle or merely plays at a very good slightly under elite Level his first 20 games or so, then what? Pitchforks and constant fucking bitching. And why? Because the GM loved the player and told the fan base he loved the player?

Heís a special fucking talent. The GM, EVERY GM agrees. So he said Barkley is a blessed human being!! Shut the fuck up and hope for the best and enjoy it. Some of you have placed a bullseye on the GM because he told the fans the truth?

He's a paid professional speaking as a representative for a his franchise at a press conference. It's an entirely different scenario than some knucklehead on BBI declaring Barkley an instant hall of famer because football fans act like football fans. There's no situation where the people who actually have their finger on the big red button should be acting like the average fan.

Also, take a pill. It's a discussion board. If you're sick of talking about a particular topic go take a walk.

So he shouldn't tell everyone that he loves the player's potential and skill set? WTF are you talking about?

I'm sick of miserable fans that need to get mad at something, anything..don't like it? Stop being miserable.

what is wrong with a GM saying he loves the player he drafted. Here's the thing, his comments won't make a fucking difference in the grand scheme of things. The only people impacted will be the fans and writers.

Barkley will be great if he stays healthy. He won't fail because the GM told everyone that he's a special talent and it's not unprofessional to say what he said, not in the least. It's childish to get worked up over those comments.

really need it spelled out for you? When a player is picked in the top five of a deep NFL draft, the GM and team LOVE that player. They cautiously hope that player is a legend after a ten year career. So he said it....out loud....Get a fucking grip.

I think a lot of fans are putting him in a spot where he's probably doomed just because they wanted a QB.

So, what you hear those fans say are things like "this guy better be the best RB in football right away otherwise it's a bad pick!"

All types of stuff like that.

"He better have 2k+ scrimmage yards as a rookie!"

Saquon is coming into this where he almost has to be perfect because anything less will be considered disappointing and that's not his doing at all. So, that kinda sucks. But - it comes with the territory of being selected this high.

I thought it was the wrong move, too. Difference is I didn't cry and whine myself to sleep every night that week. I didn't claim I was a bigger fan of the player than the team in a thread or anything of that ilk.

rarely anything of substance, hardly ever backs up his opinion with any sort of logic or reason, just piggybacks off of others and takes shots at posters and tries to distract from just how awful his posts are.

Imagine portraying yourself as some kind of cool guy on here based on posts. The BBI King. The same guy who thought Domenik Hixon would be a fine replacement for Plaxico Burress! The BBI King. He's always right! Clown.

find it interesting that fans who were embarrassed by McAdoo, who hated the way he handled the eli situation and thought he was a trainwreck of a coach are considered more of a fan of a player than the organization.

To me, McAdoo was the biggest problem with the team last year. By a wide margin. He lost the team, had several defensive players rebel and shit on the franchise QB.

Recognizing those points under the heading of "Eli Apologist" seems like a lot of horseshit. It should be more under the heading of "McAdoo Hater".

find it interesting that fans who were embarrassed by McAdoo, who hated the way he handled the eli situation and thought he was a trainwreck of a coach are considered more of a fan of a player than the organization.

To me, McAdoo was the biggest problem with the team last year. By a wide margin. He lost the team, had several defensive players rebel and shit on the franchise QB.

Recognizing those points under the heading of "Eli Apologist" seems like a lot of horseshit. It should be more under the heading of "McAdoo Hater".

Maybe because that one person in particular even created a thread claiming he was a bigger fan of the player than the actual team, and that he was proud of it?

would name one guy -- be it Darnold, Rosen, or Allen -- who was the right choice at #2. The Giants had to send a NAME to the podium, not a position.

Which NAME should they have sent instead of Saquon Barkley?

Once we have that name on record, we can all sit back and watch his Hall of Fame career unfold, while Barkely, on the other hand, reveals himself to be no more than a guy the Giants could have "easily" gotten in the fourth or fifth round.

would name one guy -- be it Darnold, Rosen, or Allen -- who was the right choice at #2. The Giants had to send a NAME to the podium, not a position.

Which NAME should they have sent instead of Saquon Barkley?

Once we have that name on record, we can all sit back and watch his Hall of Fame career unfold, while Barkely, on the other hand, reveals himself to be no more than a guy the Giants could have "easily" gotten in the fourth or fifth round.

Nah. They could've picked any of Rosen, Allen, or Darnold. They were available at 2.

be funny to see people latch on to any of the 3 as "misses" if they turn out serviceable, even if Barkley is a stud.

Sadly, if have a feeling some posters will actually want to look at the draft as a miss.

Probably the same that are throwing shade at posters for being fans of players instead of the team.

I find that ironically contradictory, but they probably won't.

I'm not accusing anyone of saying it. They said it themselves.

Still waiting on this thread. Please post it? I'm having a hard time believing that I said specifically "I"m a bigger Eli fan than I am Giants fan". Please post where I said that, and I'll stand corrected. I've posted drunk several times on BBI over the years, especially on game day, so I wouldn't be surprised. But I'd still like to see it.

be funny to see people latch on to any of the 3 as "misses" if they turn out serviceable, even if Barkley is a stud.

Sadly, if have a feeling some posters will actually want to look at the draft as a miss.

Probably the same that are throwing shade at posters for being fans of players instead of the team.

I find that ironically contradictory, but they probably won't.

I'm not accusing anyone of saying it. They said it themselves.

Still waiting on this thread. Please post it? I'm having a hard time believing that I said specifically "I"m a bigger Eli fan than I am Giants fan". Please post where I said that, and I'll stand corrected. I've posted drunk several times on BBI over the years, especially on game day, so I wouldn't be surprised. But I'd still like to see it.

You want me to waste time looking for a thread of yours from 6-7 months ago?

the Chiefs "got a QB" at #7. Given that loaded QB class, it seems smart, right?

Except the name they sent to the podium was Todd Blackledge.

The pick has to be more than just the right position. It's gotta be the right name, too.

And we don't know that it isn't. Let's see how these guys turn out over the next few years.

Exactly. We have to see how all of these guys turn out.

Were the Rams wrong in that same 1983 draft when they took Eric Dickerson at #2? They could have taken Jim Kelly or Dan Marino. I don't think the Rams, or Bills, or Dolphins were unhappy with their picks. It may very well be the case that the Giants, Jets, and Cardinals all end up very happy with their 2018 1st-round picks.

Saquon Barkley was far and away the best available prospect in this whole draft.

Will it play out that way? No one can be sure. Doesnt change the decision.

Darnold had an underwhelming season. The Jets wanted Mayfield more.

Rosen is an asshole as evidenced by his calling out those picked before him as "mistakes" and also comes with a nice concussion history. Makes perfect sense that a Giants fan who bitches about Eli Manning would want a guy who is an asshole and has injury issues.

Like when I said you said we were going to take a QB with absolute certainty, I can produce the quote:

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It literally doesn't matter.
Dave in Hoboken : 12/17/2017 8:32 pm : link
He's going to be 37 for next season and we're picking very high in the upcoming draft with a bunch of good QBs in this years draft. They're picking a QB, and even that QB doesn't start next year, he's still getting picked in this year's draft.

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They're drafting a QB.
Dave in Hoboken : 12/17/2017 8:43 pm : link

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Oh, and he'll sit a year at most, hate to be the bearer of even more bad news for you

See how that works? When you can't do that, there's this little thing in law called libel. Luckily for you, BBI is not a court of law.

the Chiefs "got a QB" at #7. Given that loaded QB class, it seems smart, right?

Except the name they sent to the podium was Todd Blackledge.

The pick has to be more than just the right position. It's gotta be the right name, too.

And we don't know that it isn't. Let's see how these guys turn out over the next few years.

Exactly. We have to see how all of these guys turn out.

Were the Rams wrong in that same 1983 draft when they took Eric Dickerson at #2? They could have taken Jim Kelly or Dan Marino. I don't think the Rams, or Bills, or Dolphins were unhappy with their picks. It may very well be the case that the Giants, Jets, and Cardinals all end up very happy with their 2018 1st-round picks.

If I were a Rams fan from back then, as great as Dickerson was, I'd still much prefer one of those QBs.

Like when I said you said we were going to take a QB with absolute certainty, I can produce the quote:

Quote:

It literally doesn't matter.
Dave in Hoboken : 12/17/2017 8:32 pm : link
He's going to be 37 for next season and we're picking very high in the upcoming draft with a bunch of good QBs in this years draft. They're picking a QB, and even that QB doesn't start next year, he's still getting picked in this year's draft.

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They're drafting a QB.
Dave in Hoboken : 12/17/2017 8:43 pm : link

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Oh, and he'll sit a year at most, hate to be the bearer of even more bad news for you

See how that works? When you can't do that, there's this little thing in law called libel. Luckily for you, BBI is not a court of law. They're taking a QB 12/17/17 - ( New Window )

2 things:

1) I also said quite a few times after that, that I think they should take a QB and that they might not and I wouldn't agree with it.

Were the Rams wrong in that same 1983 draft when they took Eric Dickerson at #2? They could have taken Jim Kelly or Dan Marino. I don't think the Rams, or Bills, or Dolphins were unhappy with their picks. It may very well be the case that the Giants, Jets, and Cardinals all end up very happy with their 2018 1st-round picks.

If I were a Rams fan from back then, as great as Dickerson was, I'd still much prefer one of those QBs.

Even after Eric Dickerson set rookie rushing records his first season?

Were the Rams wrong in that same 1983 draft when they took Eric Dickerson at #2? They could have taken Jim Kelly or Dan Marino. I don't think the Rams, or Bills, or Dolphins were unhappy with their picks. It may very well be the case that the Giants, Jets, and Cardinals all end up very happy with their 2018 1st-round picks.

If I were a Rams fan from back then, as great as Dickerson was, I'd still much prefer one of those QBs.

Even after Eric Dickerson set rookie rushing records his first season?

the point is that you can be happy whether it was Dickerson or Marino.

I hope people keep that in mind when they start complaining after Darnold has his first 2 TD game, even if Barkley is leading the league in rushing.

Yeah. Nevermind stats, though, I think it has more to do with stuff like playoff appearances. If, for example,a few years from now, the Jets are making the postseason every year, and the Giants aren't, that could be a problem. If Webb and Lauletta turnout to not be the next QB in a couple of years and both bomb, and we're looking for a QB for those years, that would be a problem.

But if the Jets (or Cards) are still the same teams that they've been, and the Giants find their next franchise QB (whether it be Webb/Lauletta, or someone else) rather quickly, that would be the preferred scenario, obviously.

Were the Rams wrong in that same 1983 draft when they took Eric Dickerson at #2? They could have taken Jim Kelly or Dan Marino. I don't think the Rams, or Bills, or Dolphins were unhappy with their picks. It may very well be the case that the Giants, Jets, and Cardinals all end up very happy with their 2018 1st-round picks.

If I were a Rams fan from back then, as great as Dickerson was, I'd still much prefer one of those QBs.

Even after Eric Dickerson set rookie rushing records his first season?

(Which I am NOT predicting Barkley will do!)

Damn, he was great.

But if one of the QBs I can take is Dan Marino, then yes.

Except you're using hindsight with Marino. He was taken 27th overall in that 1st round. FIVE quarterbacks were taken ahead of him, including the aforementioned Blackledge, Ken O'Brien (lol Jets), and Tony Eason. The way people view Marino now as a QB god is not the same as how they viewed him as a prospect.

That's why it's important to specify now -- before any of these careers unfold -- which name you would have sent to the podium, if you were in that position.

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