It is crazy to me, that trump supporters actually think he's gonna get rid of all the illegal immigrants in the U.S. Like he's just gonna round 'em up in the night, and toss them over a huge ass wall. Any of you fuckwits even notice, that when Trump was running for the nomination, he was promising to get them all out, and now that he's got the nomination it's changed to all "criminal illegal immigrants" and that's a fucking huge difference. There is a difference between "civil" law and "criminal" law Being an illegal immigrant is a civil offense not a criminal one. So in order to be deported under a Trump presidency, one would actually need break a criminal law, but you see that's how the system works already. How do you think we find illegal immigrants in the first place? They break the fucking law, we find them, they go back to Mexico. Nothing changes under a Trump presidency in that regard, yet these dumb dumbs are still stuck on pre- nomination Trump and his get them all out rhetoric. You are all still falling for it like idiots.

>>703169644Hello dear shillarian, as I can see, you're posting again to defend you reptile queen, good for you, may the goy power fills your pockets with an amount of shekels, for you're doing a great job.

>>703169644It's not that. Bigots and idiots now have a champion and they are pretending that they love him for his pipe dreams, not that he is the champion of being like them and getting to the top somehow. Misogynists love him because they they think he will "put women in their place." Racists love him because they think he will "put (insert racial slur here) in their place." etc.

OP is a retard that doesn't know anything about US law. Illegal Immigration falls under criminal law, not civil. Trump is to changing the law, he has committed to enforce the current law. Obama had no right and no public support to issue his Executive Orders to prevent investigation and deportation of Illegals.

Another thread by butthurts from another country or illegal faggot that is about to get the boot.

>>703170750OP here. "Immigration law in the United States is civil, not criminal. People found to be in violation of immigration law are not punished; they are deported. And, deportation is not punishment.

In the United States, we often refer to people who are in the United States without permission from the government as “illegal aliens.” Calling people “illegals” gives the false impression that they have committed a crime. However, being in the United States without documentation is not a crime. It is a violation of immigration laws, and there is no punishment for illegal presence."

>>703170840No, he's not. Better than Trump, besides Hillary: G.W.Bush (worst president ever), Hitler (at least Congress and Senate would stop him before invasions and ovens), Stalin, a magic 8-ball, a pile of leaves, Old Yeller after he got rabies (even after he got shot), your last bowel movement, an aborted fetus, and any enemy of the USA. Yes, he is that bad.

>>703169644Trump supporters have really chugged the Kool-Ade. In the past few days alone I've seen posts claiming he will do everything from getting rid of the obesity epidemic, to wiping out the national debt, to finding a cure for cancer, to making America completely white again... and on and on. I'm not sure who is more delusional, Dipshit Don or his dipshit supporters.

>>703169644>Trump supporters really think Trump will get rid of all illegalsOnly the really uneducated supportersThe educated clinton supporters actually believe that this is what Trump supporters believe which is kind of just as hilarious

Trump supporters believe he'll stem the tide of newcommers and make it harder to illegally cross the border and get all kind of state benefits (financial or other) at the same time, which is something a big wall could realistically pull off

You won't stop the tide completely but right now it's like there is no border at all

It won't stop the globalists tho, enjoy your EU 2.0 when Canada, US and Mexico erase borders and take on a new coin which is mostly symbolical, not thought or planned through and therefore not solvable

>>703171760What you are seeing now is a polished turd, which is far better than a dirty politician. He is not a "political outsider." You know why he knows about political corruption from donations? Because he is worse than a corrupt politician, he IS and WAS corruption itself, one of the donors, for decades. Everything he touches turns to shit in all other ways. He would be a worse president than a James Bond bad guy bent on world destruction... at least a James Bond bad guy has a plan to rebuild from the ruin he makes... and a James Bond bad guy KNOWS he will be a force of destruction.

There are countless immigrants living in the usa, that no one gives a flying fuck about, they werent deported. Do you think they give a fuck? They know it and theyre not doing anything at all. Thats why trump wants to change that

OP is merely pointing out that Trump stance on immigration is the same as our current one; only taking action when the illegals are committing felonies here. Which, statistically speaking, they are far less inclined to do when compared to the indigenous population. But still. Let's not let facts and figures get in the way of good rhetoric, as my granny used to say. And she should know, she was in the hitlerjugend. But yeah, so Trump's current stance on immigration is basically a) keep on enforcing the system we have and b) build a wall that Walter Ulbricht would be proud of. Because being compared to Walter Ulbricht is something we should all be aspiring to. There was no negative connotations associated with Ulbricht's wall. No sirree. A shining beacon of hope that was.

The majority of illegal immigrants coming here commiting crime are eastern europeans and those from northwest africa. How is Trump addressing these, actual valid, concerns? Is he building a wall across the eastern seaboard? Are we gonna start deporting foreign nationals committing crimes here? Oh yeah, we already do.

Ah well, the man's a con artist. I look forward to seeing exactly what will happen when he seizes power and his followers realize just how little he represents them on any given issue.

>my daddy only gave me a million dollars therefore I know what its like to start with nothing

>>703173333Were are you getting your news? Mexicunts are all pissed because they thought Trump was going to apologize. Trump told Mexico that they will be required to help stop the illegal immigration problem and Enrique Peña Nieto agreed.

>>703173564Hiring illegal aliens is a crime that is currently unenforced. When Trump starts enforcing these laws, the country will go to 0 illegal aliens within 10 months. How else are illegal aliens going to survive without a job or government help? Both of which is illegal to provide to illegal aliens...

>>703174084Anyone who uses the word "ignorance" or "ignorant" is usually an idiot child who thinks they are smarter than everyone else... Just wait 30 years, you'll find yourself voting for a Republican.

>>703172316or start begging in the streets. Which is much better than having a cheap workforce, right?

I mean, why would companies hire cheap labour when they could just create homeless beggars instead?

(I jest. Why would corporations need illegal immigrants slaving away for a pittance when they have the american electorate who is happy to work for the lowest minimum wage in the industrialized world?)

>>703174445Well you kids never experienced the real world outside of your protected space. You never had to raise a family and work to put food on the table (unless of course you're a single parent nigger, then you have every reason to keep the gov't checks coming.) Maturity and wisdom comes with age. Most of those people protesting the Vietnam War and putting flowers in their hair during the 60s, are Republicans now. When you get older, you'll look at those people who are your age now and shake your head at how stupid you must've been back then... the same way you think of how stupid you were when you were in high school

>>703174709I look back a lot and do think of myself as stupid, but it's actually for holding conservative beliefs. I believe the opposite, the more educated and older you get the more liberal you should be

>>703174575Why start begging in the streets when you can go back to Mexico and get paid $2/hr? The only reason why the come to America is so that they can get $8/hr. and if that's gone then $2/hr is better than being a beggar no?

Well if corporations can't find anyone to work for $8/hr then they have to raise wages to $10... $12... $15/hr until the positions are filled no? Isn't that how supply and demand work? I mean, are these corporations really going to let millions of acres of fruits and vegetables not picked?

I would respect Trump supporters so much more if they'd just admit Trump isn't the ideal candidate, but that they think he's the more palatable of the two choices. Instead we get all this over the top "God Emperor Trump can do no wrong" boot-licker bullshit. It's sickening, and makes it hard to take such people seriously.

>>703174866You do evolve as you get older. You become wiser and more conservative. You start realizing that the liberal brainwashing that you get from k-college is really a bunch of bullshit. I mean, these are the same people that peddle $150,000 philosophy and sociology degrees to underdeveloped minds.

>>703175498>Overpriced, worthless degrees. Much like those from Trump University.Then the liberal faculty is killed off under a Second Amendment defense. Then kill the social workers. You work McDonald's after all the illegals are killed off as Enemy Combatants for crossing the border without a Visa.

>>703175560I love how you judge places that I'm assuming you've never been to. I love open space and greenery more than I do concrete jungles... Everyone I knew back in nyc would kill to be where I am now lol

>>703176065Well then I guess we just have differences in opinions. I did the whole nyc and la thing most of my life, so I guess I was ready for something a bit more peaceful... maybe one day you'll find the city not all that it's hyped up to be

>>703173804Great, then once all the illegals are gone the price of basic goods and services will skyrocket once businesses are forced to pay an actual living wage to their employees, especially in the agriculture sector. At least there will be a negligible decrease in petty crime!

Actually, since illegals on average commit FAR less crime than your typical American fuck, won't that technically increase the crime rate per capita?

TRUMP - MAKE FRUIT MORE EXPENSIVE AND INCREASE THE CRIME RATEAT LEAST I FUCKED OVER SOME MEXICANS

>>703176295Without illegals there wouldn't be crimes committed by illegals. Why does comparing crime rates matter? If you take out 10-30 million illegals you lower crime, period.

Oh and it's better for the environment because of less cars and consumption. Better education because of lower student teacher ratio. Less police which means more money for parks and recreation. etc. etc.

>>703176535I wouldn't mind paying 1000% more for a tomato if I'm employed and being paid 1000% more in wages... If these tomatoes are more expensive it means that I have a higher wage right? Because isn't my higher wage the whole reason why the tomatoes are $12?

>>703176566When I was younger I never listened to people who was significantly older than I was. But now that I'm older, I feel like I have a duty to say something even when I know that younger people wont listen... the same way I didn't listen when I was younger. Such is life

>>703176631But the crimes committed by illegals are negligible in comparison to crimes committed by Americans. If you were truly concerned with crime in America, you'd focus on reform to the education and gun control infrastructures in your country. But you don't, because you don't give a fuck about crime.

>better for the environmentWill you stop? You don't give a shit about that either. So many ways to help the environment, bit moving Mexicans around isn't one of them. That wall is gonna be amazing for the environment, hmm?

Education in America is absolutely fucked and taking a few Mexicans away isn't gonna change that. How about taking a fucking fraction of the billions it would cost to deport these people and build a wall, and give it to schools. End underfunded schools, and you'll go along way to turning the US into a decent place to live, instead of a 3rd world shithole with some millionaires.

But again, you don't care about any of that, do you? You just want someone to blame. If only it wasn't for (insert minority)! Classic.

Want cheap goods? Offshore but no domestic jobs. OK, want cheap goods but compel companies to onshore? Companies use cheap labour, often illegal on less than minimum wage. No jobs for domestic workers.OK, want cheap goods, compel companies to onshore and crack down on illegals? Companies will invest in automation and no jobs for domestic workers. Hmmm, want cheap goods, don't want to go down the Luddite route and ban automation to create jobs, that way does Soviet lie. Wat do? I know, import goods. But no jobs for domestic workers.OK, want cheap goods and domestic jobs? >Insert your answer here

>>703176743But you aren't being paid any more. The people who pick your fruit are being paid a minimum wage. Which is still a sub living wage, but more than they are now. Your wage doesn't change unless your a fruit picker, in which case I feel bad for you.>>703176743

>>703176978If just 1% of the 10-30 million ILLEGAL aliens commit a crime, that's 100,000 - 300,000 EXTRA crimes that was committed by people who shouldn't be here in the first place. I find thats far from negligible...

>>703177069Automation will quickly (~10 years or sooner) change how we view work in general. It will necessitate a complete social overhaul. It's too soon to say what a proper solution will be, but things like Universal Income need to be considered. The idea of killing yourself for a fucking pittance will seem outrageous to our descendants.

>>703177094first of all. 30 million? the fact that you're even willing to go there shows fantastical your outlook on this whole thing is.

Crime will not be reduced simply by kicking people out. Crime always has been and always will be a functioning cog of american society, and the opportunists and desperate who flesh out the dregs of that society will always fill the niche.

Not even going to touch the pollution, class size, and police thing. What are you, retarded? A terrifyingly childlike view on the way the world works, bro.

>>703174481No one responded to you because it doesn't happen. Sure some of them probably figured out how to use someone else's social security number but the vast majority of illegals do not receive welfare of any kind.

>>703176978If illegal aliens were not here, 100,000 - 300,000 less crimes mean less need for guns. We wont need to reform education because we don't have to shift resources to teach illegal alien children english. Our schools suck because illegal alien children and niggers bring them down. If our schools only had to worry about whites and asians, our school system would be equivalent to the love child of the Netherlands and Singapore

The US is more developed than Latin American countries, therefore we consume and pollute more per capita for just being in the US. When illegal aliens come to the US they consume more than they would in their home countries.

A wall is a wall. It creates jobs and keeps at least SOME illegals out.

>>703177210so of the millions of crimes that are committed yearly, why is it this campaign has such a core shattering need to single out the petty crimes of illegal immigrants? If you only want the crime committing ones out now, doesn't this just become a crime issue and not an immigration issue at all? Honestly talking to you trump people is like trying to talk to an over emotional girl who's out for her first night on the town.

>>703169644its called pacing and leading, its a persuasion technique, he paces middle america by speaking what they're thinking and acting like he's one of them, then when they trust him he leads them by suggestion slightly changing their minds and that of the republican base

>>703177300Yes I've heard that proposed. In fact, automation has meant to be freeing man from the need to labour for years, yet in reality it has the opposite effect and drives out all but the menial jobs where automation is not (currently) economical.

If we make the transition you propose, the issue will be that the economy will not be fully automated and you will have to reward the people with the skills to make the automation work (whatever that looks like) more than the people who just sit around painting landscapes, and thereby create a technological elite (a bit like Morlocks and Eloi). We are also told that the current growing inequality is a threat to society, yet your solution would bake it in.>insert your solution here

>>703169644your a moroni bet you don't even voteimmigration was always a federal lawand yes they take too many jobs from poor americansthey send money out of country deflating US currency and circulation

>>703177400Current estimate is about 11 million. But in the 80's when we gave amnesty to illegals, the actual number was higher than the estimates by a factor of 3. Hence, why I said 10-30 million. If the census was wrong before then there's a possibility they might be wrong now.

Crime will be reduced simply by kicking people out. Smaller population, less number of crimes.

The pollution, class size, and police thing is a logical result of kicking 10-30 million people out. How is it retarded?

>>703177533You can't be serious? So you're telling me people would give up their guns if there weren't any Mexicans around? Bullshit. The crime rate would stay the same, or increase even as a result of massive economic instability.

Black and Latino schools are systematically defended and have been for generations. Doing this insured that those populations would receive a terrible education, and so they did. Then, their terrible test scores were used as an excuse to further remove funding for these schools. So they got even worse! Holy fuck no way. Wonder why they don't respect education as a path to success in life! You know why education works in most countries? Because they spend money on the weakest links until the whole system is strong. Instead of a pointless wall, spend a fraction of that money on education. At least pretend to be a first world country.

The US actually produces less pollution per capita than most South American countries. Still a fucking ton, but compared to Mexico or Brazil it's practically Holland.

>A wall is a wall. It creates jobs and keeps at least SOME illegals out.

Almost all illegals enter on legal visas and then overstay. But sure, spend billions and irreparably damage the environment to fuck over a small number of desperate poor people. Great.

>>703177775I agree it's not as simple as giving everyone money. I don't have a solution, I don't think anyone does yet. It'll become clearer (or less clear, I suppose) as it comes closer to reality. Still, it's going to look very different than anything we're used to.

>>703177536It's both a crime issue and an immigration issue. The vast majority of illegal aliens are poor or lower middle class. Poor and lower middle class people are more likely to commit crimes.

Honestly talking there's a reason why inequality is so high while corporations are doing so great. Illegal aliens mean lower wages and higher unemployment for Americans. It also means lower cost of doing businesses hence higher profits. You eliminate illegal aliens, you'll eliminate inequality. Because supply and demand will necessarily bridge the gap between rich and poor. No American will pick fruit for 10 hours a day on minimum wage, but they will for a market defined wage.

>>703177876because it's so very obviously extremely inefficient. Tons of effort and resources consumed for a very small result. If crime, education, police, and pollution are the issues you're focused on, there are about a million things you can to improve these things at an infinitely better and cheaper rate than kicking people out of the country for being mexican.

Why don't you just man up and admit why you want mexican people out instead of hiding behind retarded unfeasible solutions to issues that have very little to do with immigration.

>>703177767You can either build more schools or lower the number of students. I chose to lower the number of students since we don't have money to build more schools. Since these students are not supposed to be here in the first place, I really could careless about them. They are Mexico or Guatemalas problem, not the US

>>703178464>don't have enough money for new schools>have enough money to deport 11 million people and build a trillion dollar boondoggle

Holy fuck are you serious? You don't even need to physically BUILD schools. Just give them money to hire more/qualified teachers and provide resources to their students to give them a fucking chance.>>703178469

>>703178266again with your Utopian la la land bullshit. you're literally dreaming of a future where bros pick fruit all day for decent wages because we sent the mexicans home. I don't know why I'm even bothering any more.

Fruit is barely grown in america as it is. kick them illegals out and even less of it will be grown here. Fruit pickers will be doing it for pesos and whatever the fuck currency the phillipines uses.

>>703178009I'm quite serious. People wouldn't be giving up their guns, but less crime means less of an incentive to increase gun buying hundreds of percent over the previous decade.

Crime rates will decrease. Because:

1. No illegals 2. Niggers will now have the jobs left by illegals 3. Niggers who have jobs are less likely to commit crimes

Your "massive economic instability" will be short term. Because eliminating illegal aliens is essentially just eliminating an artificial supply of labor that wouldn't be around otherwise. Eliminating illegal aliens forces businesses and corporations to go back to market driven supply and demand for both labor AND prices

When I talk about pollution I meant consumption. Being in America means that they consume more food, electricity, water, etc. than they would in whatever country they came from (and produce more trash as well)

>>703178328Punishing businesses and individuals for hiring illegal aliens is the most efficient way to eliminate illegal aliens. We don't need to "round" people off. Simply revoking the business license of anyone caught hiring an illegal alien will prevent any business from hiring an illegal. What will illegals do without a job? Go back where they came from. Then what happens? Businesses have to hire people to replace the illegals right? Since no American will work for artificially low wages, supply and demand will determine a fair wage. This means less profits for corporations, which mean less inequality.

It's not just kicking people out for being Mexican, it's kicking people out who are taking jobs and decreasing wages of Americans.

>>703178833So you want to remove the Mexicans, then, what... ship black people out to the desert to pick tomatoes? How do you intend to do that?

People with jobs ARE less likely to commit crimes, you're correct. People with minimum wage jobs, negligibly so. It's still not a living wage. Still much more likely than illegals to commit crimes. Thus, the crime RATE doesn't decrease, it actually increases.

Eliminating illegals will increase the cost of virtually every basic good in America without increasing the purchasing power of most Americans. So they won't be able to buy as much of anything. Either companies have to accept making less profit (literally unheard-of in the US) or there will be a recession on the scale of 2008. Then Americans will finally be paying as much for shit as the rest of the developed world does, but without any of the social services.

As for pollution... If you really cared, there's thousands of other ways to actually make a difference. But you don't care.

>>703178679Why hire more teachers when you can lower the number of students? The result is the same. Those illegal kids should have a chance in their own country. Mexico should take more responsibility in educating their citizens rather than sending them to the US

>>703178697Bros wouldn't be picking fruit. Niggers will. And it doesn't have to be just fruit. Throw in dishwashers, janitors, gardeners, etc. The fact of the matter is, if there's no illegal aliens, and American has to do the job. That means employment and higher wages. PERIOD.

Fixed that shit for you. I'm all for paying more for goods and services, but you can't rely on the free market to do good for the bulk of man. It does good for the upper third and always has. A federal restructuring of wage laws and social services is necessary to provide people with a decent standard of living.

>>703177533There's already a wall.Trump doesn't really even intend on building a new one.

>From deporting Mexican immigrants and barring Muslims to slapping a 45 percent tariff on Chinese imports, Mr. Trump invents his positions as he goes along. His supporters say they don’t care. What they may not know is how deliberately he is currying their favor. At a meeting with The Times’s editorial writers, Mr. Trump talked about the art of applause lines. “You know,” he said of his events, “if it gets a little boring, if I see people starting to sort of, maybe thinking about leaving, I can sort of tell the audience, I just say, ‘We will build the wall!’ and they go nuts.”

>>703179124>>703179124You're a real idealist, mikey and I like you, but while you're singing your halleluja chorus from your ivory tower, we're trying to win a war down here on the ground, and down here it's hot, and it's dirty, and it stinks mike, it stinks. So while I appreciate your opinion on the matter, I'd appreciate it even more if you got the hell out of my office.

Seriously. You think that these things will wrap tie themselves off in neat little bows. as if trying to make it work living in america after trump's big fabled crack down still wouldn't be more of an incentive than going back to work on a plantation in a third world country and hope you don't get raped or murdered every day by drug cartels. Cracking down would not incentivise these people to leave in the least. I appreciate your throwing out econ 101 buzz terms like supply and demand determining fair wage but supply and demand are always in flux and will always dip above and below the business cycle. Illegal immigration is a splash in the bucket when it comes to impact on the labor market.

Now. For someone so concerned about saving money and making the economy run smoother, how do you feel about that big old wall? Because from where I'm sitting, it looks like the biggest waste of tax payer dollars in american history?

>>703179277Niggers have the highest unemployment rate in America. If there's open jobs left over from self-deported illegals, then supply and demand will necessitate niggers (or any low skilled workers) to take them.

A living wage depends on market determined supply and demand. The reason why so many jobs pay minimum wage is because the supply of labor is more than the number of jobs available. If you eliminate illegal aliens, you decrease supply of labor.

Eliminating illegal aliens remove the ARTIFICIAL labor supply that corporations use to increase profits. It's not capitalism if you cheat. Using illegal aliens is no different than using child workers.

I do care about pollution. I think anyone who takes a shit, should clean up their shit. If corporations poison rivers and streams or pollute the air, they should pay to clean it up.

>>703179422Shitty disgruntled teachers is a result of overstress caused by too many kids under their supervision. You think these teachers will enjoy their jobs more (and be more effective) if their class went from being 34 to 28? And besides, creating more schools doesn't eliminate the ratio of shitty teachers.

>>703179929please just stop. this is the most painful attempt at navigating basic economics I've seen in a while. >hurr durr unemployment exists because the labor supply exceeds the demand. kick out the the mexicans and supply goes down while demand stays the same.

>>703179548The free market eliminates the concept of "Illegals do jobs Americans wont do." There's no such thing as a job Americans wont do. The issue is, for how much?

Federal restructuring doesn't do shit. If you increase minimum wage, companies would just increase their prices. A McDonalds worker who get a 30% minimum wage increase will also see a 30% increase in the price of their Big Macs. A rich person doesn't give a shit about a 30% increase in the price of Big Macs because they can afford it (if they even consume Big Macs at all.) So who get's screwed? The middle class that doesn't see an increase in their wage because they are not minimum wage earners. So they see no change in their wage but they see a 30% increase in the prices of goods that they consume.

>>703180092Nonsense. Literal nonsense. Teachers in the US are disgruntled because they get paid a garbage wage for a difficult and important job. They are given no resources to do their job effectively. Of they care when they start out, they stop caring when they realise they don't have the necessary resources to make a difference in the lives of their students. This doesn't happen in schools that can afford to pay their teachers and give their students quality resources.

Believe it or not, taking a few kids out of class isn't going to fix this problem, especially when the money you spent deporting those kids could have paid for textbooks printed this century.

>>703179548>A federal restructuring of wage laws and social services is necessary to provide people with a decent standard of living.But isn't that tantamount to Socialism, if not actual Communism? I thought the free market was meant to take care of that, according to my understanding of Ayn Rand and her ilk.

>>703180468Agreed- the problem is unchecked capitalism. If the minimum wage went up and the cost of McDonalds stayed the same, than McDonalds would still make ungodly fuckloads of money. Instead, they'd rather hike the price and fuck over middle class people just to make... Slightly larger fuckloads of money. There's nothing noble about that.

How do you think that industrialized countries around the world maintain a higher minimum wage without putting poor McDonalds in the poorhouse?

well somebody has to rty to stop the influx of illegals to the US. the Latinos are in here stealing from Social Services to pop out kids and overrun our schools.....muslims are coming in and they are just terrorists in the wait.....so all you liberal weakling white fags can hang out and fap to your porn while your country and your white girls become victims of the hoard.....take you county back, vote Trump and send Hillary to prison where she belongs

>>703179910Nothing ever just wrap tie themselves. But American domestic policies should benefit AMERICANS (at least primarily.) For every illegal alien in our country, there's an American being displaced by them, that's just the truth.

Building a wall requires labor to build the wall, companies to supply the materials for the wall, etc. It's just like a stimulus plan in my opinion...

>>703180799except that stimulus plans saved cornerstone companies from going bankrupt and the world economy from being thrown into the worst depression in literal history.

what will the wall do aside from keep the odd poor desperate mexican out?

As someone already pointed out ITT there are a myriad of easier ways for illegals to get across the border.

If you want to put people to work, I'm sure someone would hire all those construction workers to build a giant statue of my ass, which would jump start the blue collar economy just as effectively as the wall and achieve a better more practical end goal.

>>703180799Ah yes, broken windows economics. Taking all that money and all those resources and putting it into a useless boondoggle may create some (awful) jobs, but still leaves the society deprived of the resources and functions as a net loss. Take that money and put it into retraining people in dying industries. Put it into education. Put it into something that actually matters. Just as many jobs without the massive waste.

>>703180500Teachers get paid garbage because they only work for 9 months. So of course if you compare it to the salary of people who work 12 months it looks like shit.

They are given little resources to do their job, but with less students they will have more resources to work with despite what little resources they have.

Again, you barely have to spend any money to deport illegals if you concentrate on businesses and individuals that hire them. Revoke their business license and you will get almost all illegal aliens to deport themselves

>>703180782That picture is a travesty.>the hands are way too big. Like they appear huge. The biggest. And I know all about the biggest. No one does photoshop on small hands and penises better than me. No one. Literally no one. Even Adobe. Those guys ask me when it comes to making things big. Huge.

>>703180902clear as fuck because you don't know anything about how economics works. the market will correct itself and demand will dry up well before it is filled by the waiting supply. Unemployment doesn't go away, period. You influence macro markets through subsidies, quotas, massive spending bills, etc. You don't influence it by deporting 300 000 people. that's the equivalent of sealing the deal and her being like "is it in yet?"

>>703180902Because it assumes that the market will auto-correct and everything will be peachy. Take away the lowest earning class, and the next lowest becomes the lowest. Prices adjust, and suddenly everyone making minimum wage has less purchasing power.

The idea that the free market would benefit the whole of a society if it weren't for those damn Mexicans is fallacious and not supported by history or logic. The massive underclass created by free market capitalism will ALWAYS be the exploited class. Worry about fixing that, not some poor ass Mexicans.

>>703180740The problem is not unchecked capitalism, rather artificially low labor wages caused by corporations utilizing illegal aliens. If capitalism is allowed to flourish there would be no need for minimum wage because wages would be determined by supply and demand. Corporations can't TOTALLY screw the little guy because they wont be able to find workers nor customers if they do

>>703181068the world goes round specifically because Russia and the US are not allies. Russia and the US wouldn't even know how to be allies. The world needs the US and Russia as a means of keeping itself in check.

>>703181072You're fuckin' dumb kid.My dad's a teacher in Ontario. Makes 6 figures teaching high school.Schools here have super funding, tons of resources.kids of all cultures care about learning and teachers care about teaching.one of the most consistently highest rated education systems in the world year in year out.

>>703181380it's funny because if he got all the poor blacks and mexicans out like he so clearly wants so bad he can taste it, he and his ilk would undoubtedly become the new blacks and mexicans and would be taken advantage of and scorned for it.

>>703181025I don't have a problem with using the money to retrain or educate people, as long as 100% of it goes to an American citizen. In fact, I think any and all spending done by the gov't should ONLY benefit American citizens.

>>703181487America and Russia could be friends, but the oligarchs on both sides get in the way. There are business interests that benefit depending on if a country is controlled by the NATO or Russia. The average Russian and average American have nothing to fight about. It is the elites that cause all the problems.

If these elites would negotiate and focus on the real economic problems, then the two countries could be allies.

>>703181421you make it seem like 20 percent of americans jobs are filled by illegals. you need to stop talking about supply and demand because it becomes more and more clear you don't know what you're talking about at all with every post you make. the god damn labor market is already determined by supply and demand you mouth breather. stop making it seem like illegal immigrants are this massive counter weight not letting the free market do it's job. like we keep telling you, illegals are one very small wallnut rolled into the shit pie that is the free market.

>>703181279Then let's use subsidies for American products made by American citizens, impose quotas on foreign imports, have massive spending bills that benefit ONLY American citizens... I don't have a problem with that, just as long as illegal aliens don't benefit at all from breaking our laws and entering the country illegally

>>703181603because you're a fucking boring broken record who won't shutup about the same two talking points and talks in circles repeating himself over and over again while people debunk everything he says from every angle, that's why.

ps cleaning highways is 100x more useful than your retard wall. and that's saying something because cleaning highways is a dumb way to spend money.

>>703181628but don't you get it? Anon is saying once the illegals are all out, we can pay americans to build t shirts and pick fruits here? It's going to be lovely and everyone will get along and unemployment will be -3

>>703181380Take away the lowest earning class, and the next lowest becomes the lowest.. sure! But if you take away the artificially low labor cost created by illegal aliens then the difference between the lowest and the highest is not as wide.

If you take away illegal aliens, there would be less minimum wage jobs. The only reason why so many people have minimum wage jobs is because the supply of labor is high and minimum wage is a stop gap from it going lower. If the supply of labor is lower then there would be less jobs paying the minimum

I don't worry about the Mexicans. It is the Mexican gov't job to care about Mexicans. What I care about is American companies and businesses breaking the law and hiring illegal aliens.

>>703181783Who said anything about kicking niggers out? I want the niggers to stay so that they take over the jobs left behind by illegal aliens. I want niggers to work so that they don't hang around and commit crime.

>>703181858implying i wasn't talking about the elites. But that's a pretty dumb "if" anon.Why would they focus on real global economic problems when they each have the far greater issue of making sure their own people are happy first and foremost?

>>703181641Who the fuck is going to buy their products if they don't pay a market wage? There's a reason why America is the most important market in the world. Our consumers power the world economy. You think China would be China without American consumers buying their shit?

>>703175560I've always wondered what the deal was with city liberal idiots and naming off southern states as moronic. I grew up in both and have always found city folk to be more close-minded, and definitely far less useful as people in general. I guess living in a small factory full of people and pollution eventually takes its toll. Sad state of affairs, these bubble-dwellers.

>>703182483they'd be smart to come here for that oh so sweet education. fill those classes up to 100 students per. won't matter a damn because we have the resources and skilled workers to still make those 100 kids learn shit.

>>703181917Illegal aliens ARE a massive counter weight. Why do you think immigration since the 70's and inequality are correlated? Since immigration came about we've been losing a shit ton of American industry but corporations are having a field day with low wage costs which in turn create higher profits.

>>703182060Should we just open our borders then? Let anyone who wants to come to just come? Heck since it wouldn't be fair for other ethnicities separated by the Pacific and Atlantic, we should ship whoever wants to come in boats.

>>703182751you should get into politics, it sounds like you have all the answers. Russia would love an easing of tensions with the capitalist west. all those yummy american multinationals sinking their teeth into the country and opening up more starbucks in moscow. and boy the states sure would love producing global policy hand in hand with a politcal and governing system that encourages sensorship, sacrificing personal liberty for the good of the whole, and a whole other slew of ideologies that are in direct conflict with america's modus operendei.

>>703182621But they don't pay what you would class as a market wage, allowing their workers to have the standard of living you have. In fact, there have been many instances of virtual slave conditions, locked emergency exits, illegally young workers, etc. in third-world factories making goods for premium western brands. And when these companies improve conditions, with the commensurate increase in costs, the western brands shift production to cheaper countries like Thailand. Rinse and repeat.

>>703182616Well you guys want an honest conversation and you got one. You can call me names all night, I don't mind. I'm telling you what I think, and if you think it's stupid, fine. Even though I disagree with it, I appreciate and understand the arguments from the other side. But these arguments are not coming from you. All you're doing is just calling whatever you don't agree with stupid.

There's two sides to every story and dismissing arguments you disagree with is the epitome of "ignorance."

>>703182867Good. Do you mind if we send over illegal aliens your way too? I mean, since Canada is apparently a pretty nice place to live they would have a better time going to you rather than staying in the US

My point this whole time has been that wasting all those tons of resources on a big stupid wall isn't gonna do shit to curb immigration. you're just too dumbhyuckfuckery to recognize this, and you're so set in your black and white no compromise philosophies.

Trump supporter in a nut shell:>not wanting to waste more money than has ever been wasted before on a wall that won't do shit=we want open borders

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