tue 1 jan 2002
Dear friends and listers,
just to forwarn that I've decided to check with
our host regarding conditions created by
bushfires in Sydney northern suburbs. Though far
from venue, pollution and driving must be
considered, so I shall contact you all
individually with further news asap. Hoping
cooler weather prevails - please, all fellow
listers, think "rain, rain, cool, cool !!" - for
everybody's sake - and that we can all meet as
planned. If not, alternative date will be
canvassed. All the very best,
Maria Suffolk
<whitecedars(a)yahoo.com>
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At the time of the Bombay harbour explosion my father was a member of the fire service detachment that was among the first to attend the fire but he was on leave, moving house. All of his fellow fireman died. Just a few months ago my father was at a nearby seniors recreation centre when he had a brief conversation with a fellow who asked, "Where were you on 14-4-44?" The fellow had been blown into the water by the explosion.
Chris Bateman
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
Looking for BATEMAN and MEATON in India and Burma.
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Grant
To: INDIA-L(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 8:38 AM
Subject: [India-L] For a complete story on Bombay harbour fire 1944
http://www.chennaionline.com/columns/safety/safety81.asp
There was another disaster where firemen
> were killed in large numbers. I think it was in Bombay harbour, possibly
> in the early 1940's. (snipped)
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Victor D'Rozario and William Gomes were witnesses at the marriage of Samuel Wallace Percival to Grace Pauline Graham at St Thomas Church, Middleton Row, Calcutta in 1898.
I am hoping that someone with knowledge of the witnesses may lead me to information on the bride and groom.
David Railton

mon 1 jan 2002
Dear friends and listers,
This morning, on Australian ABC Radio, Nick Vine
Hall held a 'question-answer' session, talking
about his subject: genealogy. His website :
www.vinehall.com.au
gives amazing information and collection of
microfiches, available on web or mail order, of
ships arriving in Australia, plus directories for
UK provinces not easily available, and other
useful info.
He mentioned that UK Census 1901 will soon come
online, with scanned pages, probably in January.
And that death certificates in Australia times
past gave immense detail (parents' names and
origins incl).
Bearing in mind that many EIC and India- based
retirees opted for Australia, to stretch pension
money further, it seems that finding either
ancestor's or their sibling's death certificate
in Australia could well open up lines of research
for many listers.
He mentioned a West Australian Index on Ships,
which also covers those progressing to east
coast. And that half-a-million assisted and
un-assisted passages took place between 1890 and
1924. Arrivals to Australia were recorded in
State Archives. He has published "Parish
Registers in Australia", and mentioned "A Guide
to Archives in Australia".
He gives his email for queries and, judging by
his comprehensive answers this morning, it seems
that India searchers could well strike gold if
any family had connections with Australia.
Hope this helps, and wishing you all a very happy
and successful New Year,
Maria Suffolk
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Thank you Valmay.
I have been looking for links to India for the BRYDEN name for some time and
have just recently found two usefull clues.
The BRYDEN surname with that spelling is not particularly common even in the
UK so I feel that I should follow up anything I find.
According to the information supplied by Valmay, there was a marriage in
Calcutta in 1944 between W D BRYDEN and Iris Hayes in St Andrews church.
How might I find details of this marriage?
Where would I apply for the marriage certificate?
Regards
Richard
Perth W. Australia
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From: "Valmay" <valmay(a)clara.co.uk>
> snip
> Regards
>
> Valmay
> Peterborough, England
> My British India Family History
> http://valmayukuk.tripod.com/britishindia/
> Aunty Valmay's Postcards From India
> http://valmays.homestead.com/index.html
>
>
>
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>

There's plenty of detail here: some heavy braid and insignia, while some
other ranks" (seated at front) evidently wished they were elsewhere!
http://users.rootsweb.com/~indwgw/Assam.jpg
Date, ranks or Regiments are all unknown to me, so I would appreciate help
from any expert in British Uniforms. I can send anyone interested a sharper
scan if need be.
Another photo I hold shows a braided distant relative, and is captioned
Sumnali Valley Light Horse". This appears to be near Kullal, Assam area,
1890's.... All guesswork!
Phil Plumbe
Surrey Hills, Australia
plumby(a)alphalink.com.au
(researching family history links for
Garrett, Barton, Lanfear, Walliker and Plumbe).

On a search engine LYCOS I found the above
- it is-
"Diary Entries made by Victoria's Headmaster's During the years of 1905 - 1953"
can anyone help me as to where it has come from who the writer is/was and was the school named Victoria -
came across it when searching my family name and found the surname - he/she was a prefect at school
Avril

Hello to all,
Salaams from Florida. The tragic events of Sept. 11 resulted in
the deaths of numerous firemen. There was another disaster where firemen
were killed in large numbers. I think it was in Bombay harbour, possibly
in the early 1940's. would some kind and knowledgeable person give me
the facts, and also to the list if deemed appropriate.
Many thanks
Jai
Warren Abbott
Warren & Madelaine Abbott
Florida

Dear Listers . I have now added the transcribed will of my ancestor to my web page. There are a few blanks where i was unable to decipher the writing. bELOW is the transcribed copy of Elizabeth Nash. She is not related to me.
This is the last Will and Testament of me Elizabeth Nash of Oxford in the County of Oxford Widow in the first place I direct the payment of al my ...debts and funeral and testamentary expenses. I give and bequeath the sum of Four Hundred and forty pounds sterling to my grandson John Nash ........ now living in Port Cooper Si..tleton ......... New Zealand for his own absolute benefit and in case of his decease in my lifetime then unto and among all his children equally and if only one child then to such child .......but if in case the said John Nash (Foot) shall be in my life time without leaving any child or children him surviving them I give and bequeath the said sum of Four hundred and forty pounds sterling unto and equally between
Each of the Brother and sisters of the said John Nash (S/Foot) as shall be living at his decease ,and if only one then to such one only. All the rest residue and remainder of my estate and effects whatsoever and wheresoever both real and personal I give ....... and bequeath unto my nephew Robert John Nash of Oxford aforesaid. ......way his ...... executors administrators and assigns absolutely and I appoint the said Robert John Nash the sole Executor of this my Will hereby revoking all prior Wills made by me I ........ notice of
Hereunto set my hand this Fifteenth day of June one thousand eight hundred and fifty four-Elizabeth Nash-
Signed by the said Elizabeth Nash the Estator as and for her last Will and Testament in the presence of us present at the same time who in her presence at her request and in the presence of each other have hereunto subscribed our names as witnesses-Wm. Francis Kolcroft/Holcroft ...... Sevenoaks-Benjamin Paisley Farmer Oxford Kent
PROOFED at London ...27 Feb 1857 before the worshipful Thomas (Squires) ......... of .......... surrogate by the oath of Robert John Nash the nephew the sole executor to whom ....... was granted having been first ........... to administrator
Rhonda
For my family research.
www.rpm.faithweb.com
Felton & Sarah Mathew's Diaries, cover 1830-1831, early NSW. and contain many Names of Early settlers.at:
http://www.users.bigpond.com/narrabeen/feltonmathew/
My Web Page contains all My Family Names and more
www.rpm.faithweb.com

Kia Ora Kotou to all from Porirua, New Zealand
Q.1 My ancestor Courtney Crowe Kenny left India on board the "Danmark" in Aug/Sep 1801 and married Mary Geils en route I think for Scotland. Does anyone have any info on the "Danmark" for that Period.
Q.2 His son Thomas Geils Edward Gammell Kenny officiated as Deputy Asst. Judge Advocate to a General Court Martial at Moulemein 16 May 1836 and 20 Apr 1837 and 1 May 1838, any help on how to obtain info on what these court cases were all about would be appreciated.
Q.3 Having trouble dechipering a place name...???? Upevedor.....any clues appreciated
Kind regards
Aubry Edwards

In the India Office's "Copies of Wills, Probates etc Madras 1735-44" there is a Will of James FEILDE, who left 50 pounds to "my loveing friend Dr Charles LONG, Minister of Cheiveley, Berks" and 20 pounds to his wife Elizabeth. A witness was George PIGOT.
I would be grateful to hear from any Lister with information on any of those people. Thank you.
Gordon Barlow

Folks,
Just what I needed today.
A spam robot is sending emails to India Listers purporting to be a
card from another lister. I do not know as of yet what this spam
robot does but I strongly suggest that any greetings cards from
ecard(a)vintageecards.com be deleted and their address in the
email is not visited.
I will attempt to find out more later but I am resorting to a laptop to
administor the list as with the bush fires we are on full evacuation
alert in Hill Top and I have to get outside and continue the
preparations for the bad weather expected today.
Regards
Nick Forrest
Hill Top
NSW Australia
India List Administrator - email forrest(a)hn.ozemail.com.au

Does anyone recognise this surname?
Ronnie Flower-Melling worked for a commercial organisation in Calcutta in the
1930's and went into the R.A.F. for WW2. He had a wife Elaine and 5
children although some of the children were probably born in the UK.
Flower-Melling is part of either my Bowen family or my Madden family, both of
whom were also in India.
Regards
Simon Bowen
simonbowen(a)aol.com

> Looking for any info on Joseph Charlton ( or Chorlton). Born Manchester UK 1798, died Bombay April 1838. He was a purser in the Bombay Marine/Indian Navy from 1829 - 1838, serving on Hugh Lindsay, Elphinstone, Hastings (receiving ship). He was Captain's Clerk on Clive beforehand. In his will of
1835 he mentions his wife, Mary Ann. According to a 19thc family diary she was 'a rich lady of colour' When the will was proved at Bombay in 1838 her securities were described as 'Hindoo inhabitants of Bombay' and were called (as far as I can read them) Luxaman Govindjee and Shirecristina
Luxamanjeo. Do the names give any clues as to likely status, occupation, etc?
>
> Joseph is always referred to as Chorlton in all British records but Charlton in all Indian ones. I am interested in any 'sightings' of him (have found all the refs in E I Register and Bombay almanacks) and also in any evidence of a marriage to Mary Ann. From the wording of his will he was
clearly a devout Christian. He never returned to England once he joined the EIC so I assume he married out there.
>
> Also interested in any info on the vessels above (already have those details of them which appear in Low's History of the Indian Navy).
> Thanks. Janice Tostevin jhtostevin(a)ntlworld.com
>

The following surnames appear in the following columns. I can supply more
information if needed.
Births
CAMPBELL
GRIMALDI
SMALLEY
TOBIT
Marriage
EZEKIEL-PERRIS
Silver Wedding
HARRIS-SRENT
Deaths
ASHCROFT
PRADHAM
WILCOX
WOOD
Roll of Honour
FRANCIS
PARISH
RIKH
In Memorium
KAR
MULROONEY
PETERS
SIMPSON
SYMES
There is an article on the life of the late Sir P.C. Ray. Various articles
on the war siutuation, rationing in Bengal, Mr Ghandi's hookworm treatment,
EIR timetable and other little articles if anyone is interested.
Regards
Valmay
Peterborough, England
My British India Family History
http://valmayukuk.tripod.com/britishindia/
Aunty Valmay's Postcards From India
http://valmays.homestead.com/index.html

ALEXANDER JOHN HUNTER of Swinton, Lancs, was a merchant in Rawalpindi, India. He was married to Constance Caroline FIELD, by whom he had two children - Douglas Hamilton Keats Hunter (1873-1921) and Alexander G B F Hunter (about 1880 - 1918). I am in touch with a daughter of Douglas Hunter.
I am trying to find where the Hunters fit into my family, and give below what scrappy notes I have, in the hope that they will provide a decent clue. Most of the surnames in blocks have some kind of Indian connection. Grateful thanks for any help from any Lister.
Gordon Barlow
1793 Will proven of John Hunter of Leics Sq, surgeon & Inspector General of HM Forces: John & Henry GAWLER were Witnesses
1828-32 Lt Col George Hunter of Nagpur Govt Service (Bengal?) was examined about his alleged overdrawn allowances
1846 a George W Hunter in Lancs, born India (1881 Census)
1850: an Alexander Knox Hunter was an Ensign (since 1845) in 37th Madras N I (from India-L #421)
1867 one of OTB & Emily's chn bapt "Henry Hunter Phillimore BARLOW" [OTB & Emily were my ancestors, with no known Hunter connections]
1867 Laura's diary: Anna Hunter married William LONG;
1898 Will of Anna Mary LONG of Congresbury, Somerset (s-w of Bristol): executor was her husband Lt-Col William LONG of 4th Bn of Prince Albert's Somerset Regt of Light Infantry; Probate 1827 pds. Ref to "my late brother Edward Hunter, Major in 62nd Infantry d 27.5.1892"
1904 Mabel Hunter (daughter of Captain Hunter of Weston, Somerset, and Dumfriesshire) = George Edward NORTHEY of Box, Wilts
1904 Douglas Hunter (DHKH) = Lilian Beatrice NORTHEY (sister of George Northey)

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