I haven't had the time to sit down and play with stalking to any real extent yet, but does Stalking a critter have at least a chance of increasing damage delt in combat? Or is this a feature to come later?

I haven't had the time to sit down and play with stalking to any real extent yet, but does Stalking a critter have at least a chance of increasing damage delt in combat? Or is this a feature to come later?

--William

Stalking currently has absolutely no effect when dealing with NPCs._________________pro.gram.mer (n) - a device which converts caffeine into code

when stalking in the wilderness would an agent be spotted by a tracker more easily than say another profession would?

i know im gonna get lots of flaming but i was thinking along the lines that the wilderness be a natural terrain for trackers and not so for agents that they may stick out like sore thumbs when entering the same terrain as a tracker _________________«The gods made dregonard.»

I agree with that....trackers live for the wilderness and spend thier lives there and know all the ins and outs. I just don't see a agent being able to hide and stalk in the wilderness like a Tracker could_________________Pity the warrior that has slain all her foes

I can't find it...But somewhere around here Trevor made the statement that Agents are the masters of stealth, and that they were just slightly better in urban, but still just-as-stealthy in rural. Trackers do have an easier time spotting ANYONE in rural areas, but penalizing Agents just for being in the woods is...stupid._________________Victim: Well, what is the creed?
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i wouldn't be shocked if the bonus agents get to stealth and trackers get to finding people make them on pretty even terms.

meanwhile, can we stop reviving threads that are years old?_________________A bright-eyed Thekko Ku Kalla dressed in a dapper sailor suit takes to flight and careers through the air toward the Modan Kucho and slams into him!
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it's also worth keeping in mind that trackers DO get hiding bonuses, but not at the same level as agents. this is mainly because one of the main focuses of agents is stealth, while trackers aren't meant to focus only in stealth and stealth oriented things.

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Hiding in melee/pole is now possible again, but has a failure rate at combat ranges this close. For Agents or Trackers in a rural or low-urban setting it's a low rate of failure. For Trackers in an urban setting it's a moderate rate of failure, and for everyone else it's a fairly high chance to fail to hide.

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i can understand that agents are masters of stealth but perhaps i didnt quite explain the way i was thinking .

if i placed a doe in the middle of cc no matter how hard you tried to hide it everyone would spot the doe as it doesnt belong there and people most likely to notice that it doesnt belong there would be city dwelling folks .

trackers spend most of their lives in the wilderness outside town (well they should dregs just lazy) so they would be more likely to spot something that didnt belong there . agents, psionics,artisans because agents use stealth they are less likely to be seen compared to the other city dwellers but still they would be noticed by the trackers

as it stands even high level trackers cannot find agents out in the wilderness wich compared to the amount of high level trackers found in the city doesnt seem even _________________«The gods made dregonard.»

May be stupid to penalize Agents just for being in the woods but Trackers get penalized just for being in the city. *shrugs* Sounds fair to me that Agents would be great in the city but not so great in the woods. The woods is a different beast from the city after all.

Now, I could be wrong about that and am fully prepared to be flamed for it. I know I get RT for sneaking about in town but not in the woods and have been told by agents that they don't get any in either setting. Though to be fair that probably isn't the best basis for a theory. *shrugs*

as it stands even high level trackers cannot find agents out in the wilderness wich compared to the amount of high level trackers found in the city doesnt seem even

is there anything to really support this?

how many agents continue to train stealth past 200 compared to trackers who train streetwise/tracking? how many agents pump agility compared to trackers who pump perception? what time of day were they searched out? was the Agent embracing shadows?

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May be stupid to penalize Agents just for being in the woods but Trackers get penalized just for being in the city.

That's because Trackers aren't masters of stealth. they're masters of being in the outdoors.

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Agent Bob says, "I'm an Agent. I'm a master of hiding ANYWHERE."
Tracker Bill says, "I'm a Tracker, I'm a master of surviving in the wild. That sometimes involves hiding but there's a lot more too it also."

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*shrugs* Sounds fair to me that Agents would be great in the city but not so great in the woods. The woods is a different beast from the city after all.

Agents aren't masters of the city, they're masters of stealth. Every special attack they have revolves around being able to hide and stalk. All of them.

You're confusing the Agent profession with the Thief profession in other games. Agents aren't Thieves. Agents aren't the city version of Trackers. Agents are Agents.

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Now, I could be wrong about that and am fully prepared to be flamed for it. I know I get RT for sneaking about in town but not in the woods and have been told by agents that they don't get any in either setting. Though to be fair that probably isn't the best basis for a theory. *shrugs*

guess what i'm going to say to explain why agents sneak better. Trackers work well in the woods. Correct! Agents work well in both because they live and breathe hiding.

I mean, I can't be the only one who notices that Trackers do more than just hide, right? The Tracker profession has a ton more than hiding. Where did this random "OH GOD TRACKERS HAVE TO HIDE LIKE AGENTS" wave come from?

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How come Trackers get SURVIVAL skills but Agents don't? Why can't an Agent eat some floor gum from the Llanfair Courthouse and gain a bonus to streetwise? Why can't my Artisan chew on some sewing thread to get a bonus to tailoring? Why can't my Trooper watch an episode of COPS to get a boon in using the justice system? Or maybe it's a Tracker thing because Trackers are the outdoor survivalists, as opposed to those other professions.
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Great post...explains more and yeah I can see where I was really putting agent in the thief roll.
But seriously isn't that what they are? Stealth lock picking poison and stealing?
Call it what ya want...it's still a thief._________________Pity the warrior that has slain all her foes