Based on statement provided by the MU Visual Dictionary, she's supposedly an unrivaled master of Wakandan martial arts, which should put her on the same level with or above T'Challa, who I believe is a match for Cap. Coupled with her massive reach advantage and the fact that the vibranium spear os going to deal serious damage and take hits from a Super Soldier better than Steve can take her slashes/cuts/stabs, she has this in the bag IMO.

Based on statement provided by the MU Visual Dictionary, she's supposedly an unrivaled master of Wakandan martial arts, which should put her on the same level with or above T'Challa, who I believe is a match for Cap. Coupled with her massive reach advantage and the fact that the vibranium spear os going to deal serious damage and take hits from a Super Soldier better than Steve can take her slashes/cuts/stabs, she has this in the bag IMO.

Widow wouldn't lose to an unarmed Cap if she had something as OP as a virbanium spear. We've seen how she fares in a deleted scene (which was cut strictly due to time restraints by word of the writers), shs completely outskilled Cap, got on his back twice, dodged his attempt and landed a clean neck strike. If she was willing to put him down with lethal gear instead of tasing him, she would've won. And that was while she was unarmed and Cap had his shield.

So no, Okoye not being better than Widow is not evidence at all that she loses this.

@rbt: Fair enough. She does have Vibranium armor which helps but a couple head shots from Cap would do the trick.

I really do think this could go either way. Leaning Cap for a majority, but I could see Okoye beating him too as Cap is shieldless.

She definitely has a shot, no doubt, especially considering that she has a reach advantage and can more or less one shot Cap, but the skill gap might be too much. Cap is T'Challa's peer in skill and Okoye isn't really anywhere close.

That's flawed logic. Widow wouldn't beat Cap with her staff because she can't put him down. That doesn't mean Okoye, someone who can, doesn't. It's ABC logic which is never good.

Are you suggesting Widow didn't hold back too? Because that's the exact teason she didn't draw lethal weapon on him. And she never fought Bucky 1 on 1 in hand to hand. If she had, I'd be very surprised if she didn't outmaneuver him and tag him before he could.

@richubs: Why wouldn’t he hold back against Okoye? He’s fought alongside her and Wakanda. He knows she’s not a bad person. He also knows she is a higher up from Wakanda. He isn’t going to smash her face in like she is an invading evil alien, he’s not going to drop all of his morals just because he doesn’t know her as well as he does Nat, and he wouldn’t do that to one of the leaders of a nation who has put themselves at huge risk to help him.

I see okoye as equal skill level to batroc and cap absolutely demolished him when things got serious WITHOUT a shield. Look at his feats without a shield while the people he was fighting had weapons.

Cap has gone toe to toe with spider man in civil war (while he lost his shield for a couple moments), with his morals on AND came out on top. Spider man would demolish okoye and has a way better reach advantage then a spear.

Okoye took out a few henchman and would have died horribly at the hands of Proxima if it wasn’t for scarlet witch. Yeah she went toe to toe with killmonger but she got tossed around.

Cap took out an entire ship of terrorists minus 1 guy plus Batroc (with both a shield and without), fought through and escaped an elevator with top of the line hydra henchman (10 vs 1) who had baton tasers and magnetic handcuffs, was shot multiple times in the back by winter soldier and took a full right haymaker to the face from thanos and came out not hurt, only confused that everyone was dead. In context, that right haymaker should have killed him based on iron man taking the same kind of blow from thanos and his armour shattering.

@richubs: There’s a far stretch between not being a trusted friend with someone and punching them with 10 tons of force without holding back. I don’t understand why anyone would think Okoye or Cap would try to kill the other. Cap isn’t going to brutally kill one of Wakanda’s most respected leaders who volunteered her and her fellow nation’s lives just to help protect one of Cap’s friends , and Okoye isn’t going to savagely kill the hero who helped save Earth three times, and who is highly respected by T’Challah.

That doesn’t mean they won’t fight to win, but their not going to instantly become evil brutal murderers either.

@richubs: I think that Cap losing his composure and going crazy in a fight would be out of character. He’s the one character in the MCU who should never do that. Star-Lord punching Thanos, Iron Man trying to kill Bucky for no reason, those were both bad, but if Cap lost his composure and went crazy on a character like Okoye, that would be really bad.

I don’t disagree Cap wins, but I also don’t think either of these characters are going to break character to try to kill each other.

No clean through but I doubt Oyoke would do that either. Taking all the stabs/bullets in TWS is enough to convince me he could take a hit and not be down and out, which is what would need to happen for Oyoke to not get stomped.

I normally don't like ABC logic but I think it works here because Proxima is a character comparable to Captain.

She's of comparable strength and skill. Her durability might be slightly more but that'd be it.

Okoye was unable to kill Proxima when she Had Widow as a distraction.

In fact she did dumb things. For eg. When Widow was fighting with Proxima she's could've easily stabbed her from the back nae the fight would be over. But she chose to run around her and make it a 2v1.

And using the spear is not very easy given how big it is ka dtje only way she can put captain down with it is of she joys him with the pointed end. Any other hit isn't hurting captain at all.