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Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

I like DC. I think we stole him in that awful trade for Murphy's bloated contract. I don't want to get rid of him but I think the writing is on the wall if Hill gets re signed. They aren't going to sink that kind of money into Hill then keep DC when he is going to want more serious money in the near future. I would love to see him stay but have doubts that he will.

That's my thought as well. Unless the FO thinks a PG rotation of GH/DC is what will get us to the Championship.....which I seriously doubt.....I totally expect DC to be traded for assets if GH is re-signed.

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Take it for what its worth but my buddies dads company met with Mel Simon about acquiring a suite at Bankers Life. He specifically asked Mel about his stance on restricted free agents. Mel said Larrys words were taken out of context about the organization not going after restricted free agents, saying that they haven't in the past but if the right player comes along they will make offer. Believe what you want but I trust this information.

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Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

Take it for what its worth but my buddies dads company met with Mel Simon about acquiring a suite at Bankers Life. He specifically asked Mel about his stance on restricted free agents. Mel said Larrys words were taken out of context about the organization not going after restricted free agents, saying that they haven't in the past but if the right player comes along they will make offer. Believe what you want but I trust this information.

Darned interesting. Especially since Mel has been dead for a while now.

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That's because there was no Plan B, because the majority of the offense revolved around a guy who "didn't shoot well this season, including the playoffs." As you said, the offense looked bad with him. So if you can get two upgrade parts (starting point + high percentage shooting backup) + picks we can use to get into this year's lottery, for example, it's a great deal. I'm not very high on Lowry so I don't like that specific deal personally, but I'd be fine with above average starter + mid lottery pick for Granger. It's really the easiest way to get this team to the next level, and you just might draft a superstar.

I agree, trading Granger for a shoot first point doesn't make sense. Now, for a pass first guy who can rejuvenate the offense? Yeah, I'd be interested.

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Disagree. Bird will still have the last word. None of the core is going anywhere in a trade unless it's a no-brainer.

A lot of you guys think two in the bush is better than one in the hand.

I think Granger played his way out of lock status this season. Nobody would punt him to the curb or trade him for spoiled lunch meat but I bet the potential for a trade that wouldn't have happened a season or two ago is now much more likely. Possibly some old offers and feelers received by the Pacers could be revisited.

Not saying he'll be traded but I wouldn't be surprised at all.

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. . . Simple fact is Bird isn't going to trade Granger if he's the best player in the trade. Plus because of Grangers loyalty and realitivly cheap contract he won't trade Danny if it's a near equal trade either.

The kind of trade that would be a no-brainer is one where there's a consensus that the Pacers got the best player, not some of these two picks and a player for Danny because the picks have potential.

Some variation of this post needs to be in the OP of pretty much every thread. Pacers need to make a 2 for 1 trade, if and only if the pacers trade the 2 not the 1. Pacer trades need to get back a better player not a bunch of not as good players.

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I think Granger played his way out of lock status this season. Nobody would punt him to the curb or trade him for spoiled lunch meat but I bet the potential for a trade that wouldn't have happened a season or two ago is now much more likely. Possibly some old offers and feelers received by the Pacers could be revisited.

Not saying he'll be traded but I wouldn't be surprised at all.

That's what I'm thinking....especially with KP on board doing the negotiating. Again, this doesn't mean...as you suggest...that I think the FO will move Granger for the best "poo poo platter"....it means that Granger isn't as "untouchable" as others would likely be and that if the right deal comes along they will include Granger.

I'm just saying I expect that if we were to see a Granger trade that it will be for a comparable "borderline All-Star" Player where we get back good value.

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This is David West, he is the Honey Badger, West just doesn't give a *****....he's pretty bad *ss cuz he has no regard for any other Player or Team whatsoever.

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Take it for what its worth but my buddies dads company met with Mel Simon about acquiring a suite at Bankers Life. He specifically asked Mel about his stance on restricted free agents. Mel said Larrys words were taken out of context about the organization not going after restricted free agents, saying that they haven't in the past but if the right player comes along they will make offer. Believe what you want but I trust this information.

Maybe "that" player is EJ in Mel's eyes.

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Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

When Bird first mentioned that Herb didn't want the Pacers going after RFA's I speculated that he said that because he didn't want EJ like so many IU fans do, and he didn't want a bunch of talk about it. I still think EJ is the reason that rule was mentioned. That's the only way the rule makes sense.

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Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

Interesting thought... Is there anyone better than DG available through FA or trade? My list includes Dwight(Trade), Deron (UFA), and Pau (Trade)... Pau possibly isn't better and Deron is only barely feasible for us to acquire... Is there anyone else?

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I believe you are spliting hairs! Last word in this case means making the final decision. Simon hired Bird to make those decisions, so Herb just signs off on them. The only way that Herb would get involved with an actual decision is if Bird wants to go over the tax line a million or two. I don't think Bird would even ask to go over if it was more then that.

The only time I remember the Pacers owners getting involved is when the Pacers tried to get Tracy McGrady. Either Herb or Mel flew to Orlando (?) with Donnie Walsh and I believe Bird. It didn't work out though.

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Im honestly nervous on what is going to happen this summer. I dont know what is going to happen with the roy ribbert situation. Also, i dont think we need to trade Granger. He is slowly becoming a 'leader' this team needs.

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I believe you are spliting hairs! Last word in this case means making the final decision. Simon hired Bird to make those decisions, so Herb just signs off on them. The only way that Herb would get involved with an actual decision is if Bird wants to go over the tax line a million or two. I don't think Bird would even ask to go over if it was more then that.

Was Herb's statement he'd be more involved in the team a year or two ago just nothing but hot air?

Bird brings his proposed deal to Herb and as the owner Herb gives the final word. HERB IS THE FINAL WORD. Bird does what Herb says... PERIOD!

No doubt in my mind Bird doesn't make some proposed deals b/c he knows Herb won't go agree with it. That in itself says Herb has the last word. How many times has Bird EVER offered a contract to a RFA? None to my knowledge. There is no reason do it when Herb's "last and final word" will be NO.

The only time I remember the Pacers owners getting involved is when the Pacers tried to get Tracy McGrady. Either Herb or Mel flew to Orlando (?) with Donnie Walsh and I believe Bird. It didn't work out though.

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The conversation was about who would have the last word on basketball trades, Bird or Pritchard. We know how the NBA works, the GM or president makes the basketball decisions and the owner rubber stamps it before it goes to the league.

As for Herb's statement 'he'd be more involved in the team,' if you think he meant he would be doing the draft and making trades, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'll sell you real cheap.

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They're all just rich guys to me. :-)

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