My name is Gumdrops and I’m the lead moderator for the /r/woweconomy subreddit and the accompanying Discord server. I am also the Support Manager & User Evangelist for TradeSkillMaster, the Auction House addon suite for World of Warcraft. I hope to cover and showcase some of the interesting topics, discussions, content and guides that have been going on over the last week in the gold making community. Some that you might have missed as a veteran gold maker, or you might be interested in checking out for the first time as a new or aspiring ‘goblin’.

The format will not be that of a traditional guide, but links to further reading with commentary and opinions of my own. I will be looking at the bigger picture, the decision making and thought processes in being a gold maker – rather than a step by step instructional list. As the saying goes, “give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime”.

If any of the values change I will update the custom price source to reflect that.

But what will this mean?

Probably not much in the grand scheme of things, however there is speculation from /u/drflanigan that this is an indication of more new crafted gear to upgrade with Primal Obliterum:

This further makes me believe there will be more Primal Obliterum gear.Why the hell does anyone need Lightweave cloth or Fiendish leather?And aren't the flowers just used for demon damaging potions?Are the ores useful? Or the new gems?There has to be a reason they are providing us with a way to obtain these mats, unless they are meant to be a sargerite dump for gatherers.

If the latter is the case, it would spell another significant downward trend in Argus crafting reagent prices on the Auction House. The way these new materials were introduced through time gate content meant that many players acquired them without there being any use available for them - a simple case of supply and demand where supply outstripped an essentially non-existent demand, at the time. I talked about the uncertainty in a recent wrap-up.

/u/drflanigan continues:

My theory is that they can't release a full set primal obliterum gear now because that would mean players can get 935+ gear just by paying for it. And mythic ToS is 930+ gear.So if they released a full gearset that would allow you to skip raiding ToS entirely and get to 935+ ilvl BEFORE the new raid is even out, it wouldn't work. So they staggered it.When Antorus comes out in 7.3.5, I believe more up-gradable gear will also be released.

I'm quite confident that this reflects the stance of the Developers based on a response in a Q&A held in late-Draenor. Having to play the game to gear a character is the desired process, without being able to 'pay to gain and advantage in overall power level'. I'm struggling to find a specific source for this at the moment, but if anyone remembers that I would appreciate a link in the comments below!

They messed up 7.3 professions so this is them trying to rectify it... nobody uses their primal sargerite because there is basically nothing to use it on. Cutting gems with it would have been great (as I suggested in my last video). But they won't fix, instead they just add another annoying vendor which will drop the price of mats even further... silly blizzard! I love the idea of adding all new profession stuff halfway through the expansion, it's just a shame they did a half-hearted job with it

"Passive Income" in World of Warcraft is usually never something that is genuinely passive, there's no such thing as high yielding stock dividends or savings accounts with big interest rates in Azeroth. There are some things however that require some amount of initial setup and/or minimal maintenance to generate some gold for your coffers.

DraenorThe Garrison in Warlords of Draenor was, and somewhat still is, a prime example of that. The gold generated by Garrison missions was very lucrative, especially when scaled across multiple characters. This was hotfixed though (too late to make much of a difference), so raw gold is not the primary objective when heading back to Draenor.

I wanted to maximize my old garrison to turn some profit and not let it go stale. I have a JC/Salvage/Inscription on one toon. JC/Ench/Salvage on another. I could get Espírito Primevo, Cristal Apexis, Cristal de Taladita but don't know what to convert those to.

Enchanting- Gift enchants sell really well. I sell almost as many gift enchants per day as I do chaos crystal enchants. This is not really tied to garrison though as temporal crystals aren't soulbound.Jewelcrafting- 640 rings and neck sell ok. Sold a Amplificador de Taladita about a week and a half ago so made another one yesterday. Unsure on the demand but if people are buying the jewelry, which isn't used for transmog, they should be interested in the upgrade, I guess.Inscription- You can make two staves, these sell as well. Haven't tried the wand. Considering making darkmoon cards for the trinkets which definitely sell but haven't really looked into it.This is basically, do daily cooldown, check garrison 1-2 times a week. I have a ton of ore and herbs so if I ever come across a trader I might ramp up production a bit. This is not a lot of gold but it's very simple and only a couple minutes a day.

Despite all the nerfs, each garrison still holds to ~30k/month when optimized. I even did all my math as 1month=28days, so there's a nice 2-3day buffer of extra profit per calendar month that makes my numbers generously rounded down.The numbers below are purely from the garrison and do not include profession cooldowns.Note: You do not need the accompanying professions for Alchemy or Inscription buildings. However, the Tailoring hut obviously requires the profession to make bags and will produce another 6 bags per month from the daily cooldown if you want to include that in your numbers.Buildings

Alchemy Hut (level l3 w/follower) making 42 Work Orders/week+ ~50% more (63 total) from rush order missions. This makes 201.6 /month if you have a single alchemist on that realm, otherwise just sell the catalysts on AH. (21g22s vendor) 4278g

A Tavern/Inn (level 3) plus a full team of Extreme Scavengers(sometimes plus Scavenger) will net you ~46,000 Garrison Resources per month. Your garrison cache gets you 500 every 3.5 days, so that's another 4,000 per month for 50k total.

Trading Post (level 1) The 50k resources gets you 3125 mats with 16:1 trader (generally will be Pele Suntuosa). They can be used for bags or sold on AH (1g70s average) 5312g

Free auto-complete world quests (Death Knights, Demon Hunters, Mages, Paladins, Warlocks and Warriors have this option in the research tree) the pvp quests, since there's usually at least one gold quest reward, and levelling up pvp gives you AP or gold.

You can manage these through the legion companion app on your smartphone during downtime at work or while riding the train. You can make around 150k per month on 5 characters using this.Biggest drawbacks are the initial setup time of the champions and the ongoing need for some order hall resources either from BoS or a few WQs (which are obviously not passive). For me, I have a follower assigned with OR items and I do the nightfallen emissary about once a week for the fox mount farm on all my alts and that is about enough to keep them with enough OR to do the gold missions.

Prices are for US-Sargeras and may be subject for change. Also I don't expect everything to sell for the price it's listed at and for anyone hunting it can be a long time before a collector comes around to buy these items. Remember Transmog sales are just as RNG as the drops sometimes...

Also I got about 7-8 Greens per run which means I got about 462-528 (7 x 66 = 462 8 x 66 = 528) 200 Got Disenchanted.LootAppraiser appraised the loot beyond what I believe the greens to be worth, I'd say if (the if is very important here) everything sells (DE mats, Greens) I will net 150,000G~. I also sold about 5,000g worth of Silk and Magewave Cloth So far.

With the Value of the Rares, Greens and DE mats if (again very important if) everything sells I would net 418,000g Minimum (263,000g (Rares) + 150,000g (Greens+ DE Mats) + 5,000g (Silk & Magewave Cloth))

Their video goes in to more detail on the run and loot so far:

Proving Ground Teleport HotfixOne of the popular techniques to speed up dungeon farming was with the Proving Grounds in Draenor. The method involved entering the Proving Grounds scenario, then going to your dungeon of choice while the scenario was still active. Using the 'Teleport to Dungeon' then 'Teleport out of Dungeon' options would transport your character back to the entrance of the dungeon you were farming via the Proving Grounds. Unfortunately this was (so far silently) hotfixed, rendering it unusable and increasing dungeon farming times. Farming extraordinaire StudenAlbatroz explains:

This one is basically for me to vent and see if I'm the only one who's made this mistake. I was scouring the AH trying to find some sweet deals when I accidentally clicked too fast and ....bought something useless for.....75k.Has anybody ever made this big of an oopsies and blew half a WoW token?

What followed was an outpouring of rookie mistakes, AH mishaps and goblin errors. I share these not to mock or laugh at the commenters, but to encourage the mindset that these are learning experiences and not always exclusively negative things. Stuff like this will and does happen to all kinds of gold makers, what's important is being able to carry on and recover.

Not logging in for a month and losing over 1000 transmog items in my mail

I've done this a number of times. Thankfully I was able to contact support and have my deleted mail restored. This can be done as long as you send in a ticket within 30 days, the sooner the better. But this is not something to rely on, so make sure your mailboxes are not being used for long term storage.

First day sniping spent 34k of my starting 50k on demonsteel armor cus they were selling for 1k and tsm said it was a good deal. When I tried turning them the crafter kept undercutting me. Ended up losing a ton of money.

A very valuable lesson to be learnt while sniping. Always understand the source of an item. If you're buying up some crafted gear then whoever is crafting is more than likely just going to make more.

Bought about 2 million golds worth of Elixir da Mente Rápida during the first winters veil in Draenor, each one I bought was about 2.5k-3.5k, I was just constantly scanning the AH for them and buying in that threshold.

Couldn't keep up with the amount being posted and soon ran out of gold and the prices kept dropping.

Panicked and sold all of them at around 2k-2.5k each, lost quite a bit of gold, if I had waited with them for a couple months I would have made a fortune, the price raised to around 8k-10k each...

This story is somewhat similar to my own personal biggest mistake, however at the time I wouldn't have considered it as such. When I transferred from my low population server to a very high population server, I brought 200 of the same Elixir da Mente Rápida with me to sell as seed money and begin my gold making. I was buying them for between 1-2k gold and I sold all of them for 5-7k gold. As I said this was great at the time, a big profit and a great start to investing in my gold making strategies on my new server.

If only I had kept them, hindsight is 20/20!

What's been the worst mistake you've ever made as a gold maker? I would love to hear your stories in the comments!

Most of this information was discussed and originally posted on the /r/woweconomy subreddit or in the accompanying Discord server. You can also catch me streaming live on Twitch every Tuesday and Saturday from 5PM UK (12 Noon US Eastern) and Thursdays from 10AM UK (5AM US Eastern) answering gold making and TradeSkillMaster questions, or you can tweet your feedback/thoughts via Twitter at @GumdropsEU

Comentários

Comentado por Finegorko

on 2017-09-23T10:55:02-05:00

thanks

Comentado por lockh33d

on 2017-09-23T12:40:06-05:00

/u/prisbear took some time away:Not logging in for a month and losing over 1000 transmog items in my mailI've done this a number of times. Thankfully I was able to contact support and have my deleted mail restored. This can be done as long as you send in a ticket within 30 days, the sooner the better. But this is not something to rely on, so make sure your mailboxes are not being used for long term storage.

I've been told on two separate occasions within the last year that once mail is expired, it cannot be recovered, with one rep saying "it's not that we won't do it, it's that we can't". I lost several items that I had forgotten to pick up before my game time expired.

I guess it's just a matter of getting a hold of the right person.

Comentado por Cyrisa

on 2017-09-23T12:47:51-05:00

I think my biggest mistake would probably be trying to sell a brand new pet that was worth about 100k. The buyout price was about that much, but i didnt realize that i didnt set a bid price for around the same amount, so the bid price was 96 silver. Someone bought it.

Comentado por jjanchan

Comentado por sinangelus

on 2017-09-23T14:16:52-05:00

My biggest mistake (or maybe not so much of a mistake depends how you look at it) is buying reins of poseidus during cata for 100k because I was swapping servers and wanted to transfer money (back then gold cap for transfers was much lower), I tried to resell it for these 100k on the new server for many many months and it wasn't selling at all. In the end I thought "well anyone will be able to solo this rare after cata ends, it won't hold much value, I might as well add it to my own mount collection", and I learnt it.

Ofc I didn't expect that with abundant CRZ later on the value won't be in "being able to solo a mob" but rather in being able to find him at all. And also I didn't expect that the mount itself would swim as slow as the sea turtle (which I had since wotlk), from the description I expected it to swim super fast like the horse in vash'ir, and I got sorely disappointed. So I lost twice, first the value of the mount rose after Cata, and second I'm not even using it after learning it. The only good part is that I got +1 to my mount collection for a price way cheaper than it goes now.

Comentado por AkiyaWarrior

on 2017-09-23T16:53:57-05:00

Back in the early days of the WoW AH mobile app (circa 2012), I installed it to keep up with my auctions while on vacation (how sweet was that!). Before leaving town, I had scooped up one of the rare Cat Carriers (I think it was the black cat) for about 9k, when it regularly sold for about 20k gold (yay me). While on vacation I accidentally listed it for 1999k, instead of 19999k, and someone bought it immediately. I knew something was wrong, so I looked more carefully, and realized what I had done, to my horror. I then de-listed my auctions, and deleted the app, and I've never used it since. I don't want to trust myself with such a costly mistake, and now, if I'm on vacation, I take that time to take a break from the game :D.

Comentado por Interest

on 2017-09-24T01:19:23-05:00

Naturally the extent of gold making has been toned down considerably , but it can still be a lucrative method after some initial setup.

I'd argue the Order Hall missions by themselves are more lucrative compared to even the pre-nerf Garrison. Based on my Accountant Classic addon that I downloaded a less than a week ago to get a good idea of where my money is from, I've made about 93,000 gold from the Order Hall over 6 days. The accuracy of the addon isn't great, but based on the data and the fact I'm running Order Halls on 11 characters, I am making over 40,000 gold per month per Order Hall and I'm not entirely optimized yet, so I'm missing a few bonus rewards.

However, much like a quote later down mentioned, Order Hall missions require Order Resources, which are fundamentally different from Garrison Resources as I mention here. While self-sustaining Order Halls in general are now possible thanks to Argus Blood of Sargeras missions, active play through the completion of World Quests to earn Order Resources is still the best way to keep Order Halls running since the mission appearance rate may be unreliable and not every class can use World Quest completers. Even when using said completers, Order Resource yield might not be enough to cover the missions anyways. Perhaps this is a fair trade-off for why Order Hall missions award so much, but I'm skeptical.

Furthermore, the value of gold has changed since WoD, so it might be easier to justify the fact Order Hall missions produce a ton of raw gold. Still a bit concerning though.

Comentado por Haldhur

on 2017-09-24T04:24:13-05:00

Naturally the extent of gold making has been toned down considerably , but it can still be a lucrative method after some initial setup.

I'd argue the Order Hall missions by themselves are more lucrative compared to even the pre-nerf Garrison. Based on my Accountant Classic addon that I downloaded a less than a week ago to get a good idea of where my money is from, I've made about 93,000 gold from the Order Hall over 6 days. The accuracy of the addon isn't great, but based on the data and the fact I'm running Order Halls on 11 characters, I am making over 40,000 gold per month per Order Hall and I'm not entirely optimized yet, so I'm missing a few bonus rewards..

A friend with 12 character and with argus missions on all of them is making about 300k/week. Me: with 10 characters and 7 of them with argus missions, i'm making about 200k/week.

Comentado por Greensmower1

on 2017-09-24T07:00:10-05:00

These guides are definitely useful, thanks for making them! I just wish I had the time to constantly troll the AH for deals, or spend hours listing actions for the sole purpose of making money... I've been crafting a legendary item a week, (it takes about that long to farm enough nethershards and the 100 cloth needed to craft the item) and I've been selling it on the AH for 100k-150k a pop... that on top of questing and missions has me doing well enough off on gold...

Comentado por Striding

on 2017-09-24T07:17:23-05:00

I don't know about this Proving Grounds nerf. They must've done it only on the Garrison one, because I used the PG from one NPC on my Rogue's Order Hall and it worked as normal, get in/out, no problem at all.Try looking for the NPC on your Class Order Hall.

Comentado por Richmond79

on 2017-09-24T08:06:50-05:00

I'm enjoying these new posts - broadening out the expertise and knowledge of the experts to the wider wow community via Wowhead. I also liked the links to other players with their own youtube posts etc. Keep up the good work! Hope Wowhead also do these for collectors soon as well - there are thousands of people like me who spend a lot of their time collecting transmog, toys, pets, recipes etc - and all of the trials and tribulations this involves!

Comentado por gumdropsEU

on 2017-09-24T10:17:03-05:00

I don't know about this Proving Grounds nerf. They must've done it only on the Garrison one, because I used the PG from one NPC on my Rogue's Order Hall and it worked as normal, get in/out, no problem at all.Try looking for the NPC on your Class Order Hall.

That's interesting, will definitely have to investigate that.

Comentado por gumdropsEU

on 2017-09-24T10:19:57-05:00

I'm enjoying these new posts - broadening out the expertise and knowledge of the experts to the wider wow community via Wowhead. I also liked the links to other players with their own youtube posts etc. Keep up the good work! Hope Wowhead also do these for collectors soon as well - there are thousands of people like me who spend a lot of their time collecting transmog, toys, pets, recipes etc - and all of the trials and tribulations this involves!

Absolutely, I wanted to showcase the gold making community to a wider audience without coming across as a 'make 1 million gold in 1 minute!' click bait piece of content. There's lots of amazing people discussing awesome things and we're all very friendly and welcoming!

Comentado por gumdropsEU

on 2017-09-24T10:24:30-05:00

These guides are definitely useful, thanks for making them! I just wish I had the time to constantly troll the AH for deals, or spend hours listing actions for the sole purpose of making money... I've been crafting a legendary item a week, (it takes about that long to farm enough nethershards and the 100 cloth needed to craft the item) and I've been selling it on the AH for 100k-150k a pop... that on top of questing and missions has me doing well enough off on gold...

It is interesting that Blizzard implemented something like this, you're 99.9% guaranteed to sell your crafted item each time you make one and it's a stable income that covers your general needs to play the game. You could absolutely take things on to the next step and start crafting more things from your profession. The time it takes to start getting familiar with TradeSkillMaster and trying out posting some auctions you may not be generating maxmium revenue, it's a process that you build up to. Once that's been done though you can spend a minimal amount of time actually listing your auctions, with a little bit more time spent on restocking your sold items.

As linked above, you're more than welcome to come and join the /r/woweconomy & TSM Discord server, lots of people there ready to help if you have any questions about doing more with your gold making.

Comentado por Interest

on 2017-09-24T15:47:07-05:00

Naturally the extent of gold making has been toned down considerably , but it can still be a lucrative method after some initial setup.

I'd argue the Order Hall missions by themselves are more lucrative compared to even the pre-nerf Garrison. Based on my Accountant Classic addon that I downloaded a less than a week ago to get a good idea of where my money is from, I've made about 93,000 gold from the Order Hall over 6 days. The accuracy of the addon isn't great, but based on the data and the fact I'm running Order Halls on 11 characters, I am making over 40,000 gold per month per Order Hall and I'm not entirely optimized yet, so I'm missing a few bonus rewards..

A friend with 12 character and with argus missions on all of them is making about 300k/week. Me: with 10 characters and 7 of them with argus missions, i'm making about 200k/week.

Some of that money is likely coming from elsewhere though since the probability of making more than 150k gold per week from missions (with 12 characters) is extremely unlikely. My total income is in the realm of 350k per week when accounting for everything, meaning the missions account for only a chunk of the total.

Comentado por Whalekiller

on 2017-09-24T17:00:18-05:00

I'm an old guy and as such I'm not always that careful about what I'm doing. I had the scroll set up on TSM to buy stuff and once when I was thinking I was scrolling down the page instead I bought an item for 17500g. Luckily it was worth about that and I was able to sell it for a small loss, but I turned off the scrolling purchases after that.

Comentado por munkey69

on 2017-09-24T20:41:06-05:00

Making money selling transmogs is always dependent on the server you play.. higher the pop, better chances to make good gold and sell fast. The low pop servers I play on, you couldn't sell them even if you attached a million gold with every purchase.

Comentado por Sheyrah

on 2017-09-24T22:43:04-05:00

WoD garrisons were gold printing machines for everyone, I'm surprised it took them so long to nerf it. I had expected a nerf long before it actually happened. I never bothered much with it, didn't stimulate my mind enough so I just ignored it.

Thanks for the primal sargerite custom price. It's possible I stole it and put it on my pastebin. Thanks for saving me the trouble of whipping it up.

I've made plenty of mistakes but I just learn from them and move on. Sometimes I anticipate things and I'm wrong, other times blizz will change something at the last minute and I'm left raging. Sometimes I wonder if blizz intentionally changes things last minute to mess with us goblins hahaha.

Been enjoying all the articles Gumdrops, keep em coming.

Comentado por Nhea

on 2017-09-26T02:58:54-05:00

While being sleepy putting a legendary crafted item to AH for 136g instead of 136.000g. Gone in 10 secs. New rule is never use AH while sleeping...

Comentado por slivoran

on 2017-09-26T19:16:24-05:00

It's strange for me to see someone call a garrison "optimized" and not mention a barn. Especially when just trapping wolves for a half hour or so once a month and collecting every three days will generate ~180 savage blood and 3960 (not quite 20 stacks) of fur a month if you have a skinner (Goldmane is by far the easiest to get). That's 9k in blood and 3960 x YMMV (12-16k for me). Add in that every time I hit 1000 resources through cache accumulation and missions (5+ times a month) I purchase a rush order for the barn for a quick hit of 110 cloth and 5 blood, and that 23k avg goes closer to 28k.

My tailors conservatively generate 45k a month just between barn-gotten blood, cloth and bags on that schedule.