It seems that the Kennedys were killed because they knew about an off-planet invader. It has been documented that JFK found out about what happened in New Mexico in 1947. He told family members and close friends, amongst whom Marilyin Monroe.

The MJ-12 document titled "Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit Summary," noted Kennedy's insider knowledge. This document, apparently written soon after the crashes in New Mexico during July 1947, states, "It has become known to CIC [Counter Intelligence Corps] that some of the recovery operation was shared with Representative John F. Kennedy, Massachusetts Democrat elected to Congress in '46, Son of Joseph P. Kennedy, Commission on Organization of the Executive Branch of the Government. [Jack] Kennedy had limited duty as naval officer assigned to Naval Intelligence during the war. It is believed that information [concerning the Roswell crashes] was obtained from [a] source in Congress who is close to [the] Secretary for Air Force."

It seems that it was because Kennedy is from a Terran family which makes he was assassinated. He wouldn't have been controllable by an off-planet invader.

A lunatic, obviously. But... ----------------------------

Jim Marrs On Remote Viewing, ET Agenda, JFK, Illuminati

Jim Marrs is one of the US's foremost investigative journalists. Probably best known for his ground-breaking research into the Kennedy assassination, his best-selling book "Crossfire: The Plot That Killed Kennedy" formed the basis of director Oliver Stone's film JFK.

--What do you make of the theory that Kennedy was assassinated because he intended to release information on the UFO phenomenon?

I have come across a lot of evidence to support this. For example, there is a 1962 CIA document that records the contents of a wire-tapped conversation between Marilyn Monroe and Hollywood reporter Dorothy Kilgallen two days before Monroe died. During the call, Monroe tells Kilgallen that JFK had told her of his visit to a secret air base where he viewed things from outer space. Kilgallen believed this was connected with the Roswell crash.

Certainly, an FBI document of July 1947 confirms that Kennedy knew about Roswell. Additionally, Bill Holden, a steward on board Air Force One, reported a conversation that he had with Kennedy in 1963, in which he asked the President what he thought about UFOs. Kennedy became very serious and replied `I would like to tell the public about the UFO situation, but my hands are tied.'

However, there is evidence that, on 12 November 1963, Kennedy ordered the CIA to hand over all UFO documents to the White House, and this was two weeks before he was shot. http://www.rense.com/general/enchilada.htm

Now Now guys we all know JFK had to go since he was smokin too much earb and gettin too much trim for the orthadox Christian / Jewish / Mafia / Drug Company Executive to handle while they plot with the Military industrial / Kiddie porn cartel to control the information flow about the Alien Imposters that are preparing for one world government to be set up via Walmart...

The Water In nEW jERSEY is tainted

Jim Marrs means well and broke lotts of ground on real JFK related stuff. Who among us is not a touch strange at least?????

It's comic relief, mostly. Got an opinion about Jim Marr's fondness for little green men? Does it make the author of Crossfire seem to be some kind of kook? One could say "that's a totally different area of research. It's got no bearing on his outstanding JFK work." But, it makes it very easy for the other side to lump all "conspiracy theorists" together as a gang of lunatics. They've also done this with legitimate 9-11 research by tying it in with "no planes" theories, etc.

chuck1972 wrote:"Jim Marrs means well and broke lots of ground on real JFK related stuff. Who among us is not a touch strange at least?"

Could Judy Baker actually have been hot enough for a wild man like oswald???

I am waiting for a shrink to come out with a book that states Oswald was a woman trapped in a mans body???

If Garrison had it right he was running with guys that were less butch than marina and judy ...

If I ever write a full length book I am gonna demand this guy above me does all my illistrations and photo selection

I have to have a sense of ironic sardonic humor ... after all I have less than 10% of the eyesight of an average person and I spend my time reading books and articles and bad photocopies and gov. files and the scribbles of investagators and self-published monographs on one particular topic

and then i work 12 hours a day listening to an ipod with about 120 black ops in it.

The Motive was to kill a whole generation of Democratic Leaders! JFK, MLK & RFK.

Which would have ran from 1960-1980 atleast! But we had the good ol' boy network and right wing nuts seening the writing on the wall. We see some of the same plans used now. The difference instead of using a rifle they just have enough media in place to smear someone.

The collateral damage of the assasinations of the 60's is often missed by those who focus on the high level theoretical damage of the political aspects.

Consider vietnam alone and the lie used as the pre-cursor for the conflict that poisoned an entire generation.

My father served there and left his soul in an asian jungle for the greed of others.

the guilt syndrome that lurked below the surface of discourse in this country is the disease that drove the destiny of a later generation you can witness being lead over the cliff like cattle

A man whose toddler son reminds him of the children he saw in the war zone and the untreated post traumatic stress mixed with the chemicals in his system culminate in suicide

and today nearly 35 years after an unknown soldier of unknown activities takes his life the records of the government he gave his soul to serve has no record

nothing unique about it either.

I get it

Beyond theory and political science

Humor kills no one

Historical deaths attributed to laughter- In the third century B.C., the Greek stoic philosopher Chrysippus died of laughter after giving his donkey wine, then seeing it attempt to feed on figs.- King Martin of Aragon died from a combination of indigestion and uncontrollable laughter in 1410.Pietro Aretino, who died in 1556, "is said to have died of suffocation from laughing too much."- In 1599, the Burmese king Nanda Bayin laughed to death when informed, by a visiting Italian merchant, that Venice was a free state without a king.- In 1660, the Scottish aristocrat, polymath and first translator of Rabelais into English Thomas Urquhart, is said to have died laughing upon hearing that Charles II had taken the throne.

Modern deaths attributed to laughter- On 24 March 1975, Alex Mitchell, a 50-year-old bricklayer from King's Lynn, England, died laughing while watching the "Kung Fu Kapers" episode of The Goodies, featuring a kilt-clad Scotsman battling a vicious black pudding with his bagpipes. After twenty-five minutes of continuous laughter, Mitchell finally slumped on the sofa and died from heart failure. His widow later sent The Goodies a letter thanking them for making Mitchell's final moments of life so pleasant.- In 1989, a Danish audiologist, Ole Bentzen, died laughing while watching A Fish Called Wanda. His heart was estimated to have beaten at between 250 and 500 beats per minute, before he succumbed to cardiac arrest.- In 2003, Damnoen Saen-um, a Thai ice cream salesman, is reported to have died while laughing in his sleep at the age of 52. His wife was unable to wake him, and he stopped breathing after two minutes of continuous laughter. He is believed to have died of either heart failure or asphyxiation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_from_laughter

I guess humor killed those folks, but I can't think of a better way to go. ;)

Did your father die in Vietnam, or do you mean that being there left him emotionally destroyed? My best friend in junior high ("middle school") and high school came back seriously damaged, as an alcoholic, wife beating lunatic. He was one of the funniest, nicest guys you could imagine before he enlisted. He died in a car crash in '82, while driving drunk. Another friend of mine died in a helicopter crash over there, and I attended the funeral of another high school friend last year, who also became an alcoholic after serving in Vietnam, but died primarily from the effects of Agent Orange. That poor guy was sick for years, in and out of the V.A hospital all the time.

Could Judy Baker actually have been hot enough for a wild man like oswald???

I am waiting for a shrink to come out with a book that states Oswald was a woman trapped in a mans body???

If Garrison had it right he was running with guys that were less butch than marina and judy ...

If I ever write a full length book I am gonna demand this guy above me does all my illistrations and photo selection

I have to have a sense of ironic sardonic humor ... after all I have less than 10% of the eyesight of an average person and I spend my time reading books and articles and bad photocopies and gov. files and the scribbles of investagators and self-published monographs on one particular topic

and then i work 12 hours a day listening to an ipod with about 120 black ops in it.

This guy makes me laugh

sorry

I'd be happy to be your "picture guy;" start writing! ;D

There's nothing they can do for your eyes? Is your vision holding where it's at, at least?

You make me laugh, too. Oswald a woman trapped in a man's body? Hmm...

I'll probably be posting a lot less from now on, as Zach's taking all the fun out of it. He says he'd have deleted the original post in this thread because it was "off topic." Not by much, according to the man who wrote Crossfire.

"Claiming that JFK was an alien is essentially "off topic," so in fact probably does violate our guidelines. Unfortunately, I see now that I'll have to incorporate a bunch of self-obvious stuff into our guidelines, such as that trolling and intentionally disruptive posts are not welcome.

Furthermore, for the people wishing to be taken seriously or post something serious, why would they want to post on a forum full of pictures of two-headed hillbillies, Santa Clause flipping the bird and graphic displays of mutated babies?

Zach"

...a forum full, bursting at the seams, absolutely overwhelmed with countless images of mutants and weird Santas! Billions of them, everywhere you look!

The Motive was to kill a whole generation of Democratic Leaders! JFK, MLK & RFK. Which would have ran from 1960-1980 at least!

I hear what you're saying, although I never thought of it in terms of killing off a generation of Democrats, but rather left-liberal leaders. At the first political demonstrations I took part in, (a hundred years ago, or so) ;) two of the most common chants were "hey, hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?" and "1, 2, 3, 4, we don't want your fuckin war!" We were protesting a Democratic Party war, and you can't pin it all on Johnson - remember who his advisors were. For the most part, they were the men picked by JFK as the "best and the brightest." Draft age kids who didn't want to get their butts shot off for no good reason didn't hold those guys in such high regard. There were plenty of asshole Democrats around then, just like there are now.

But we had the good ol' boy network and right wing nuts seeing the writing on the wall. We see some of the same plans used now. The difference instead of using a rifle they just have enough media in place to smear someone.

By the "writing on the wall," you mean a 20 year liberal utopia? Theoretically, Robert could've succeeded John in '68, but you can't begin to say that with any certainty. What if the economy had taken a dive in '67 or '68? Don't forget, the economy is constantly being manipulated. Depending on circumstance, people could've been ready for a change by '68, and not wanted another Kennedy to follow John into the White House. You might find that unthinkable, but it's not.

JFK's serious physical ailments could've undermined him, also. He used a lot of pain killers and other drugs, including speed, to help him overcome his back problems and Addison's disease. He might have been able to stay out of a wheelchair through '68, or he might not. Or, that smear tactic you mentioned could've come into play. JFK was fond of the ladies, but the press generally looked the other way back then. But, he was vulnerable. And, what if he'd have gotten stuck in Vietnam, like Johnson? He was saying publicly that we shouldn't pull out of there right up until his death. I'm well aware of the claims that he intended to get out, but the truth is we'll never know for sure.

MLK jr being elected president? I don't know that he would've had any interest in running, (I doubt it) but trust me, he couldn't have won even the nomination, let alone the White House.

Something else you're not considering is that bullets have been fired not just at Democrats, but at right-wingers and even "moderate" Republicans, too. Reagan was shot and almost killed in '81, Ford was almost assassinated twice in one month in '75, and George C. Wallace (Democrat governor of Alabama) was shot and paralyzed while running for president in '72. Wallace was famous (or infamous) for trying to prevent black students from enrolling at the University of Alabama in 1962. By '72 he'd given up the segregationist role in favor of a kind of right-wing populism, and he had quite a following. He and his delegates would've been a factor at the '72 Democratic convention.

So, I understand your thinking (I've thought the same thing) about the "whole generation of Democratic leaders" being taken out, but I'm pretty sure the right-wingers felt the same way when their leaders were getting shot. It's not quite the one-way street you're seeing. It's possible that some of the same people were involved behind the scenes in taking out, or trying to take out, all of these these "right" and "left-wing" leaders.

Things are most often shades of grey, rather than pure black and white, and none of us can know how an imagined past would've actually turned out, any more than we can know what the future holds.

the obit and short articles were in local papers sept. 11-16 1976\one headline was "death ruled a suicide"asbury park press note:His son Charles survives him is me(that is for the guy who e-mailed me and called me a liar)his military records were removed from the databaseThrough my own research I have discovered this is not uncommon eitherMany regular servicemen were at that time co-opted by intellegence agencies for what the grunts thought was secret patriotic work after showing skills in the field to covert actions and when they needed to come home they were not properly cared for. Some agencies cut them loose or liquidated them.

Don't take my word look for yourselves

what happens when you send these guys home who were not decompressed as one veteran activist once told me?

My entire generation was poisoned by this and other actions taken by those in power during that time period and i place the start of socialogical destruction squarly in Dallas November 22 1963.

the best way to describe him and thousands more vets from that time is torturedThe point of this is that the political leaders are one aspect of the compiled damage of the deception that was the official position and excuse to involve our country in the illegal illegitimate , and completely imoral crime that was the vietnam conflict.

other stuff.

developing sources that are as near to impossible to chalenge as I can get is what slows my writting

I should have no sight left but it hangs around abot 10 years past the latest date i should have lost it allI stress it because it indicates my level of dedication to this subject Defiance ... With less than 10% the strength of your eyes I will observe , read and learn 10 times what you do. It is enlightening to note the various reactions of individuals I have run accross in my efforts to persue the truth

positive peopleandy at last hurrah works with me to find easier versions of literature above and beyond what you would expect

Rodger Remmington was the first author to not pitty me and at the same time be aware of my limitations without casting aside my work or opinions as trivial. although his appearances on lens shows were a bit rough I could listen to Dr. Remmington speak for hours

Mark Oakes (was in dealy plaza before groden btw) is another one who didn't hold it against me and is yet another genuine and kind person

Meanwhile there are others who have accepted leads for their projects and data that helped them along but look down on me despite the fact that they were stalled without my input.

with lesser physical ability , education and cash I can generally see right through the smoke and mirrors some people love to employ for profit and notarity .I speak better than my writting betrays so I love the label once used to explain why my opinion was worthless by a so-called researcher whose name we would all recognise.

I have a few manuscripts that are unworthy in my estimation as I will only release something unique for publication. BUT I am working on it :)

as far as the picture guyDark humor is my fav.after seeing Sam Kinison at the ritz in nyc years ago it's all down hill But you are my tension breaker on the internet\Ofcourse if I need cartoons I'll throw a family guy episode in or visit wim daankbars site

Hankey is out of his mind over there btw.

the dvds will resume in 2011 after xmass with the kids and i aquire a new dvd recorder . I already scripted parts 3 and 4 but I may have to do that mac dvd first (I answered it here so ask here next time I sometimes neglect e-mail for weeks but check this forum at least 3 times a week

Still here, Chuck? Hope you're over the flu. Sorry for being slow to respond. My pain meds were upped, it takes a while to acclimatize, and I don't like trying to write when I'm only about half awake. I was scheduled to get two broken ribs in my right side fixed this month, (caused by surgery over a year ago) but now the doctors aren't sure which part of me they want to chop up next. In the old days you just got sick or injured and died, but now we go to the grave on the installment plan, piece by piece. Is that really progress?

Sorry about your father. You've heard that a million times, no doubt, but I'll make it a million and one. Was your dad dragged into the Phoenix program, or something similar? As I'm sure you know, there's an epidemic of suicides happening now in "our" military, caused by the same horror that's destroyed so many Vietnam vets. Killing human beings for the benefit of the war profiteers doesn't seem to sit well with anyone who's got a conscience.

I saw where you railed against HBO for filming the Hanks - Bugliosi series, but have you seen their documentary "War Torn?" It deals with the psychological trauma of war, from the Civil War to the present, and IMHO it's excellent. http://www.hbo.com/#/documentaries/wartorn-1861-2010

You ridiculed "Boardwalk Empire" too, but I thought it was very well done. (to each their own) Have you actually watched it? Two of the main characters are WW1 vets who came back from the trenches with some serious physical and psychological problems. I don't think "Richard Harrow" (below) is based on an actual person, but he's typical of many "Great War" vets who returned severely disfigured. He wears a macabre mask (courtesy of the War Department) to hide the side of his face that was blown off, and is now employed as a gangland assassin. Instantly my favorite character, of course. ;)

I have never gotten the complete story on the domestic side of things with my father I feel confident enough to share here but his entire service record is evaporated.

Howard stern is still funny sometimes but the greats are gone , I hear you there

Boardwalk empire???The point on that was as someone who lives right by the actual place I know the show is about as realistic as the sopranos was.

I am not upset over either show but when the print media represents these fictional things as a realistic I say well no wonder they are obtuse enough to think the hanks / bugliousi thing is a accurate.

Beyond Treason is a modern documentry about the abused troops subject

FACTS are facts ..... cartoons are cartoons ........ I like both on my T.V. but don't tell me family guy Bill Clinton is the real deal and his presidency be damned for smoking a joint with peter and stealing that pig

I have never gotten the complete story on the domestic side of things with my father I feel confident enough to share here but his entire service record is evaporated.

Howard stern is still funny sometimes but the greats are gone, I hear you there

Boardwalk empire???The point on that was as someone who lives right by the actual place I know the show is about as realistic as the sopranos was.

I am not upset over either show but when the print media represents these fictional things as realistic I say well no wonder they are obtuse enough to think the hanks / bugliousi thing is accurate.

Beyond Treason is a modern documentry about the abused troops subject

FACTS are facts ..... cartoons are cartoons ........ I like both on my T.V. but don't tell me family guy Bill Clinton is the real deal and his presidency be damned for smoking a joint with peter and stealing that pig

guess that's that for now

We've wandered off the UFO's and aliens a bit, haven't we? ;)

You must have been pretty young when your father passed? It must be frustrating not to be able to see his service records, but they'd no doubt delete anything they didn't want revealed.

I agree that you shouldn't share anything here that would make you uncomfortable.

I'll look up Beyond Treason; sounds interesting. Vets get lip service and they also get the shaft.

Speaking of vets and soldiers, I had mixed feelings about the repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell." On one hand it was a civil rights victory, but all it really means is that gays can now murder for the Empire as openly and proudly as the straight Nazis do.

Did Peter or the stolen pig inhale, at least? Otherwise it was a total waste of a valuable natural resource.

You do realize that Boardwalk Empire represents Atlantic City as it was almost a century ago, right? What do you think they're doing wrong, to make it unrealistic?

There are books on this subject I read in highschool that these guys must've missed

plus if you know what the legends are vs. the reality of the blood and sweat that went into that monster you have a greater respect for it then what they show in that series.

anyway I can only focus on a handful of attrosity at a time , and as fed up as I was with the joke that was the state of the union (actual TSA molestation jokes ..... REALLY????????? ) and my given focus on JFK I was only pointing to the warped sensability of Boardwalk EMPIRE as a contributing factor to illustrate the general disreguard for historical reality

The Robert Drew thing was nice although I felt the primer uptick for the playtone campaign in the works

anybody else study the reactions of the obama background ??? The RFK reference was bile provoking.How long is he gonna milk the kennedy endorsement cow anyway????

The most credible motive seems to be the discovery of extraterrestrial life, as soon as Humans sailed into space. Conservative powers didn't want the public to know.

Secret memo shows president demanded UFO files 10 days before death

The undated memo contains a reference to ‘Lancer’, which was JFK's Secret Service code name.On the first page, the director of Central Intelligence wrote: ‘As you must know, Lancer has made some inquiries regarding our activities, which we cannot allow.‘Please submit your views no later than October. Your action to this matter is critical to the continuance of the group.’

I have to suspect that this kind of post is an intentional attempt at guilt by association. "Make 'em look nutty so no serious person will touch the subject." I've even been wondering about Fetzer lately.