11:04:50 BravewolfNim: linked from the first... wow. Aren’t you an asshole.

11:05:12 NimBravewolf: yes, I would too

11:06:07 BravewolfNim: I like how this person is claiming that marriage would solve the ills of the single, poverty stricken mother, but is promoting his agenda by focusing his pejoratives on the children.

11:06:23 NimBravewolf: so... you're young and some guy knocks you up abortion is a sin.. andnow they don't want you to get help either?

11:06:34 BravewolfNim: and then he gets to his real agenda: “It's time to communicate in policy and not just in words that in America, we expect you to save sex for marriage, to have children only within the marriage relationship, and that we will no longer force American taxpayers to fund the expenses of children they did not conceive and with whom they have no relationship and for whom they have no responsibility.”

11:06:52 NimBravewolf: " They are certain to grow up in an environment where they do not have the daily, meaningful and essential presence of a father."

11:07:03 NimBravewolf: uh yeah.. because all fathers are AWESOME

11:07:09 NimBravewolf: and they'll make your life great?

11:07:28 BravewolfNim: OH. OH. So children should be your *punishment* for out-of-wedlock sex because you can’t abort them but you can’t get any help for your situation either.

11:07:34 NimBravewolf: yeah

11:07:37 BravewolfNim: What a wonderful environment to grow up in.

11:07:39 NimBravewolf: way to make their lives worse..

11:07:50 NimBravewolf: next they'll claim that we should just eat them

11:08:11 NimBravewolf: "This year, taxpayers will cough up $300 billion to provide welfare to single moms,"

11:08:17 NimBravewolf: I highly doubt this number

11:08:28 BravewolfNim: Not only are you a punishment for your mother, you also apparently should be labelled with the term “bastard” so that other people can cut you out of their social groups, thus ensuring that the problem of single-parent poverty is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

11:08:37 NimBravewolf: yeah

11:08:55 NimBravewolf: and I love how he says that the US is overtaxed

11:09:13 NimBravewolf: the US is SO not overtaxed.. they're way down the line for taxes

11:11:16 BravewolfNim: I am all for reforming the welfare system so that people can’t abuse it. However, if you want to effect change, you have to give these people a way out and actually empower them to make their lives better - make working more attractive than welfare because they get more opportunities and their children have good childcare options.

11:11:37 NimBravewolf: you can't make it so that no one can abuse the system

11:11:55 NimBravewolf: because then people who actually need it will get cut out on the side of caution

11:12:05 BravewolfNim: I just don’t see this happening... you can’t tell someone to work if they have no place to put their kids.

11:12:09 NimBravewolf: yup

11:12:46 NimBravewolf: more sperm donor dads need to be forced to pay support

11:14:27 BravewolfNim: I agree that women who choose to have children should be evaluating what kind of life they can give a child. However, I don’t think that single parenthood is the root of all evil. He doesn’t mention what kind of help he thinks people who have lost a spouse should have.

11:14:50 NimBravewolf: yeah

11:14:52 BravewolfNim: what if you did everything right and things just didn’t work out?

11:15:00 NimBravewolf: and what about women in abusive relationships?

11:15:06 NimBravewolf: or ppl getting divorced

11:15:12 BravewolfNim: oh they should stay for the sake of the money- er, children.

11:16:32 NimBravewolf: hah yeah

11:18:58 BravewolfNim: so what if you have a couple of black eyes, a broken jaw and a few busted ribs every few months? The American people - the hard working two parent families (because no single parent works for a living - they all live on yachts collecting welfare) who pay their taxes depend on you to shut your mouth (you should - all those broken teeth don’t look good on a woman) and praise God for your home.