criss angel discussion...

We all have to make our own minds up about everything we are told and we see, unfortunatly others have to take the easy way out and have others tell
them what to believe and think. I guess it is the easy way out, if it all goes pear shape, they can lay the blame on others and not have to take the
responsibility for being wrong, they just blame others. I felt the need to report the fact that yet another solar cult, promoting suicide as the way
to enlightenment was abusing ATS by using it as a medium for it`s activities, but was brushed aside by a moderator, I believe that ATS is now abusing
it`s members by allowing them to be subjected to this. A discussion about Criss Angel, has now become a SOLIST discussion, anyone running a Cult and
being allowed to preach it`s teachings, without restriction, is NOT ACCEPTABLE. I fully expect either a warning for this post, or some other
punishment, but if so I will follow this point up again and again untill I am banned from this site!

John Of god is doing a form of "psychic surgery" that Criss performed on one of his Sucker episodes (exposing the scams of these healers). Not to
say all healers are scam artists.

Video of Criss

King Solomon was the first entity that took posession of John's body and he claims his spirit still appears. He claims to have about 36 other spirits
that enter his body to heal. He refers to them as "beings of light", they are spirits of the dead.

Not to stray off topic about this John guy, but since you brought it up to be used as your BEST example of what these discarnate group entitiies are
and how they operate. The impression has been given that these GE's all come from the same place and help criss the same way they help john of god.
It's implying Criss is channelling spirits of the dead, when he does not believe in that concept

Sorry, your opinion is not your opinion, it is someone elses, I reccomend that you seriously get a life and not try to live your life in someone elses
shadow. Is this not how a truly enlightened being is supposed to act. Or am I mistaken?

There is nothing wrong with having an opinion. But not allowing your opinion any space to change with future evidence or argument leads to absolute
closed mindedness. I have no problem with you, PR, or EW86 having differing opinions on this matter, but I urge you to at least try to stay open to
all possibilities, as I have tried.

Here's the thing, I didn't read the entire thread but I'm going to reply anyways...

I'm a magician, I do it as a hobby and I perform to people regularly. I don't like going after magicians but Criss Angel is a disgrace to the art of
magic. Most of his effects are done using camera tricks and stooges. He has admitted it on several occasions...

Originally posted by MitchMagic
Most of his effects are done using camera tricks and stooges. He has admitted it on several occasions..

Do you have a source or link to him admitting the camera tricks and stooges? I don't think we have evidence of that contained in this thread. We have
plenty of evidence he says much of what he does is BS and such, but he denies the camera tricks and stooges.

Sorry, that was me thinking out loud, as I said wait and watch. I have said a little before about the sort of things expected in the show, but have
not mentioned that a rumour has it that the show will be called " Electric " which hints at the content. I had been also told that the Houdini/13
connection had something to do with the only trick which Harry H would not perform was the bullet catch, twelve people have died performing it, could
this be a clue to the 13?

I didn't know it was 12 that died in a bullet catch.
I have speculated the use of 13 was to play up the mystique. Not just for it's occult meaning that some would attriibute it to. I can't really think
of any other person through the ages who can convince so many he's Jesus, while at the same time he has those who think he's the anti-christ! You
see it in youtube comments, some make websites about these ideas etc. He cannot deny he plants these ideas in the minds of some viewers. It fascinates
me to a degree, but ... also I think it has the potential to give him a tremendous amount of power, that at some point he needs to be held accountable
for ... maybe. To some, 13 identifies the 13th desciple(sp?) who was Judas (the one who sold Jesus for 30 silver pieces to have him crucified) and
others will say that Judas was never really a desciple, and the 12 desciples plus Jesus makes Jesus the 13th. So I wonder if he hopes some will think
of these theories and apply them to him, as well as a mutlitude of other ID"s. Keep things as confusing as he can I guess!

I have always liked magic tricks, they are fun to do when you are in a room of people who have been drinking. with that said, there is almost always
an explanation that is not paranormal. take the levitating coin/card/pen/pretty much anything trick. I know how to do that trick as does my
girlfriend, as does anyone that wants to buy the trick(got it free myself but that's another story) despite the fact that it looks real, it is not.
I truly wish it was, cause how cool would it be to be able to float around? Angel is merely a performer and good on him for it, if he doesn't have
one the guy deserves a sag card, as many of my very skeptical friends have seen his shows on tv and have become believers in people having mystical
powers because of his dog and pony show.

Criss Angel is wild. Anyone see the episode where he floated down along the pyramid building in Las Vegas? I'd like to know how he did that. Or
when he walked on water. Either explanation for those two events would be sweet. He does an incredibly good job with his illusions.

Originally posted by MitchMagic
Most of his effects are done using camera tricks and stooges. He has admitted it on several occasions..

Do you have a source or link to him admitting the camera tricks and stooges? I don't think we have evidence of that contained in this thread. We have
plenty of evidence he says much of what he does is BS and such, but he denies the camera tricks and stooges.

Although I certainly don't believe in magic, MitchMagic, I have the feeling that Criss, in that video you posted, was merely being sarcastic. Damn, I
wish that I could have seen the seconds after that (although, I am sure that it was cut right after that). I wish that I was there to see what he said
after that (or how the girl responded and then see what he said).

Thanks. I can't get it to load, but I think i've seen this and he was joking. I think it was right about the time of the phenomenon show when this
was being accused of him. He also mocked himself on one of those bonus episodes, standing behind a green screen saying 'but they'll never know I'm
fakng it ..."

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