I seem to have hit a raw nerve but, quite frankly, STID is nowhere near the blockbuster Paramount must have hoped it would be. After a sizable budget increase, followed by a very agressive/expensive overseas marketing campaign, box office results seem mixed at best.

Domestic box office:
ST09: 172% of film budget
STID: 107% as of 6/11

International box office:
ST09: 85% of film budget
STID: 93% as of 6/11

Worlwide box office:
ST09: 257% of film budget
STID: 199% as of 6/11

Bottom line: Generously speaking (since additional marketing costs haven't been taken into account), at this point STID would have to earn at least an additional $100 million worldwide (for a total of $488 million) just to match ST09's ROI.

Yes, the film is doing "fine" and yes, there will be another, but I can safely predict that those at Paramount looking at the bottom line must be disappointed by STID's overall performance and I will bet anyone credits to navy beans that we will see a significant budget cut for the next film.

I'm sure the powers that be at Paramount would disagree with your assessment. While not a bomb, given a budget increase of over 26 percent and a massive marketing push, Paramount must surely be disappointed when examining their return on investment. Sure, they'll make "another one" but, unlike this one, they'll probably be far less generous with their purse-strings.

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Yeah, it's doing HORRIBLY overseas - and no one's seeing it in the U.S. -- oh, wait...

What matters is the bottom line - profit; and between the combined BO (domestic and overseas); PPV and pay movie channel contracts, Blu-Ray and DVD sales (again domestic and overseas and with the film appealing more to foreign audiences then ST2009 did...); over the years - yes, this film will bring in more money than ST2009 did.

Box Office Mojo hasn't updated for a while, but the folks in the forums over at boxoffice.com are figuring this is currently at about 210 million international gross.

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So assuming this is true (and it seems likely), $203 million domestic $210 million international= $413 million surpassing the inflation adjusted WW gross of ST09 in just 5 weeks (ST09 played till Sept).

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Was that when (IIRC) ST09 went back into the IMAX theaters (when there was a opening)? I know I saw it a few more times in IMAX after it's run in the cheap theaters, but I couldn't remember if it was in the month of September.

People are merely correcting your mistaken reasoning and misinterpretation of facts. One might as well assert that one has hit a math teacher's "raw nerve" when wrong answers are marked in red on a quiz or test.

Nah. "Family friendly" means something pretty specific, and it's outside the action-adventure genre and the box office take that they're looking for - unless they want to turn Trek over to Dreamworks Animation or Pixar.

They want to be in the same arena with Man Of Steel, Fast And Furious or the Marvel movies. These are not "family friendly."

Nah. "Family friendly" means something pretty specific, and it's outside the action-adventure genre and the box office take that they're looking for - unless they want to turn Trek over to Dreamworks Animation or Pixar.

They want to be in the same arena with Man Of Steel, Fast And Furious or the Marvel movies. These are not "family friendly."

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The Nibiru stuff qualifies as family friendly adventure to me whereas the briefing room massacre and aftermath does not. etc....

The Marvel movies are definitely family & kid friendly. I think STID moved away from that.

Box Office Mojo hasn't updated for a while, but the folks in the forums over at boxoffice.com are figuring this is currently at about 210 million international gross.

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So assuming this is true (and it seems likely), $203 million domestic $210 million international= $413 million surpassing the inflation adjusted WW gross of ST09 in just 5 weeks (ST09 played till Sept).

RAMA

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Was that when (IIRC) ST09 went back into the IMAX theaters (when there was a opening)? I know I saw it a few more times in IMAX after it's run in the cheap theaters, but I couldn't remember if it was in the month of September.

Saw it for the fourth time today with my sixteen-year old son (first time) and he loved it.

The second, third and fourth times I've seen this film I've been fully aware of its shortcomings and have expected them to impact my enjoyment, but they haven't. This is a movie that simply grabs hold of you and doesn't let go from beginning to end. The cast is incredible. I could go again tonight to see it!

I just don't know how you can say you're a Trek fan and not enjoy Into Darkness on at least some level.