How you can make a movie based entirely around hot chicks doing fights scenes with detailed CGI monsters and robots to thumping techno-rock music and still have it turn out to be one of the dullest films of the decade is beyond me.

/ the title Sucker Punch was about eight characters too long// 300 was okay, but technically somebody else wrote it first

Popcorn Johnny:After all the DC hate by Marvel Fanboys, it's going to be so farking awesome watching this movie become the highest grossing superhero movie of all time.

Avengers 2 comes out the same summer, it'll be interesting to see how close they are scheduled next to each other. Marvel has a lot of films coming out to keep interest in their universe between now and then, I can't think of any for DC.

skozlaw:How you can make a movie based entirely around hot chicks doing fights scenes with detailed CGI monsters and robots to thumping techno-rock music and still have it turn out to be one of the dullest films of the decade is beyond me.

I'm so tired of people shiatting on Sucker Punch. It wasn't nearly as bad as everyone made it out to be.

I wish I could live in a world where people thought the stuff in Sucker Punch was boring, because the stuff that they find awesome must be absolutely insane.

Keywork99:I'm so tired of people shiatting on Sucker Punch. It wasn't nearly as bad as everyone made it out to be.

I wish I could live in a world where people thought the stuff in Sucker Punch was boring, because the stuff that they find awesome must be absolutely insane.

You're in the minority for a reason. Most people found it boring.

The visuals alone? No, they were awesome. I especially like the pseudo-German trench warfare fight.

The music? Hell no, it was cool. I still look up the Bjork song from the first fight on Youtube when the fancy strikes.

But the movie as a whole, all its elements combined?

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It just doesn't work. The characters are just shallow and one-dimensional, the story is gibberish and the whole thing is too long. The opening scene was great, but the rest of the movie just didn't do anything interesting with it.

RexTalionis:Frank Miller's done nothing particularly interesting or original since the early 90s.

Not so. All-Star Batman and Robin featured Miller as the devil from the Simpsons stuffing Homer's maw with donuts, except replace Homer with juvenile fanboys and donuts with "all the sick perverted fantasies they have about grim gritty Batman."

I always saw the five girls as a different aspect of the main character's personality (Babydoll being innocence, Sweet Pea being wisdom and maturity, Rocket being the feisty, fiery attitude, Blondie being insecurity [with her betraying the group to Blue in the end], and Amber being secure in sexuality). I don't know how many others saw it that way, personally (I heard some people say each girl was supposed to represent five different aspects of feminism), but that's just one thought. They're really just ciphers for the viewer to relate to. You can say that is shallow and one-dimensional, but I thought it was incredibly interesting.

...the story is gibberish...

The story is not that hard to understand and follow. People say they don't get it, and I don't understand how they can't. It's very straightforward as long as you pay attention.

...and the whole thing is too long.

It wasn't even two hours. But I suppose if you don't like something it can feel like a long time. Personally, I felt it could have gone longer.

I personally don't mind if someone didn't like it - I mean, you're free to dislike whatever you want. But my point is that people really overstate how bad they think it is. There are far worse films out there. Hell, there were a bunch of films released the same year that were worse.

I didn't say that, I said it was gibberish. Specifically, it was inane and boring gibberish. I get it, I just don't like it because I think it's shallow, pointless and it drags a silly little one-off skit out over too many segments that don't lead to an interesting conclusion. There's basically one scene repeated four times with different visuals as the meat of the movie and, I'm sorry, but if I wanted that I'd go play a video game that offers it.

Keywork99:skozlaw: The characters are just shallow and one-dimensional...

I always saw the five girls as a different aspect of the main character's personality (Babydoll being innocence, Sweet Pea being wisdom and maturity, Rocket being the feisty, fiery attitude, Blondie being insecurity [with her betraying the group to Blue in the end], and Amber being secure in sexuality). I don't know how many others saw it that way, personally (I heard some people say each girl was supposed to represent five different aspects of feminism), but that's just one thought. They're really just ciphers for the viewer to relate to. You can say that is shallow and one-dimensional, but I thought it was incredibly interesting.

...the story is gibberish...

The story is not that hard to understand and follow. People say they don't get it, and I don't understand how they can't. It's very straightforward as long as you pay attention.

...and the whole thing is too long.

It wasn't even two hours. But I suppose if you don't like something it can feel like a long time. Personally, I felt it could have gone longer.

I personally don't mind if someone didn't like it - I mean, you're free to dislike whatever you want. But my point is that people really overstate how bad they think it is. There are far worse films out there. Hell, there were a bunch of films released the same year that were worse.

The problem with the movie is that with most everything happening in a character's head, there are no stakes to what happens onscreen. It's literally full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. With no stakes, you have a boring story.

I was glad to hear that they were going for a more mature,seasoned Batman for this new DC universe archetype. If the intent is to set the table for a JL movie Batman needs to be the sage of the group. The tactician and leader. That's what he brings to the table. Like Cap in the Avengers when he started calling the shots that's when the team became effective. He knew what each of their strengths were and how to best use them. Bats also brings the paranoia needed to plan for all contingencies. Where Supes is the boy scout who always looks for the bright side, Bats always prepares for the worst.

HeartBurnKid:/the more time goes on, the more obvious it is that DKR and Year One are the only good stories Miller had in him.

His run on daredevil in the 80s was good. Liked the cadence of his sentences and how he punctuated with action beats, before the style became parodied. The edgy tone of the storylines was a nice counter to others at the time with characters visiting old aunts and stressing about rent.

Animated DKR was fun, they hit more than enough good notes to excuse the one or two places where text-to-screen fell a bit short.

Lol. Love it. Farkers hacking on Miller's Batman? Of all human beings on the planet, Miller understands Batman better than anyone. Arguments to the contrary are risable at best. Even All Star Batman and Robin was more original, more groundbreaking than anything since. Scott Snyder writes a good story, but he's nowhere near Miller's level.

Keywork99:skozlaw: The characters are just shallow and one-dimensional...

I always saw the five girls as a different aspect of the main character's personality (Babydoll being innocence, Sweet Pea being wisdom and maturity, Rocket being the feisty, fiery attitude, Blondie being insecurity [with her betraying the group to Blue in the end], and Amber being secure in sexuality). I don't know how many others saw it that way, personally (I heard some people say each girl was supposed to represent five different aspects of feminism), but that's just one thought. They're really just ciphers for the viewer to relate to. You can say that is shallow and one-dimensional, but I thought it was incredibly interesting.

...the story is gibberish...

The story is not that hard to understand and follow. People say they don't get it, and I don't understand how they can't. It's very straightforward as long as you pay attention.

...and the whole thing is too long.

It wasn't even two hours. But I suppose if you don't like something it can feel like a long time. Personally, I felt it could have gone longer.

I personally don't mind if someone didn't like it - I mean, you're free to dislike whatever you want. But my point is that people really overstate how bad they think it is. There are far worse films out there. Hell, there were a bunch of films released the same year that were worse.

Hebalo:Lol. Love it. Farkers hacking on Miller's Batman? Of all human beings on the planet, Miller understands Batman better than anyone. Arguments to the contrary are risable at best. Even All Star Batman and Robin was more original, more groundbreaking than anything since. Scott Snyder writes a good story, but he's nowhere near Miller's level.

T.rex:Frank Miller is among the best in the game who've ever lived, so its always fun and intriguing to watch people try and tear him down.

Hebalo:Lol. Love it. Farkers hacking on Miller's Batman? Of all human beings on the planet, Miller understands Batman better than anyone. Arguments to the contrary are risable at best. Even All Star Batman and Robin was more original, more groundbreaking than anything since. Scott Snyder writes a good story, but he's nowhere near Miller's level.

He sucks. He wrote some good things in the 80's but now he blows. If you would like to debate this topic, I will refer you again to the stories mentioned above to show that there is no room for debate here.

Cargo:He sucks. He wrote some good things in the 80's but now he blows. If you would like to debate this topic, I will refer you again to the stories mentioned above to show that there is no room for debate here.

Sorry.

Why are you sorry? If your whole argument consists of HA! I DIDN'T LIKE TWO THINGS HE WROTE, SO HE BLOWS!!!!!11111!!!!!, I'm ignoring it anyway.

Seems like in your world, If you ever do anything less than perfect, you suck. If you do everything perfect, some asshole will still claim you suck.

"He wrote some good things in the 80's". Ha! That's like saying "Scorcese directed some movie in the 70's".