The "stressing the liver" point is unproven, but it is an interesting challenging thinking here by Loren Lockman.

What I say is : Moritz cleanse will make it easier to fast long for people in very bad condition, i.e. with stones. Let's make it one thing after the other, instead of an either or choice. Moritz was thinking of average people who hardly have ever heard of fasting. The cleanse is so much better than undergoing surgery to remove the stones, or just leave there the ones inside the liver.

It would be interesting to take someone who is about to enter surgery to remove stones, and put him to fast, and see if the problem goes away. That would be an easily done piece of research.

I have been doing this cleanse for the last 4 months, once every 3 weeks.

I find no words to express how important has it been to my health and to my transition to inedia. I'll try to share my experience with you.

Since the first cleanse, I have passed out large amounts of "sand", hundreds (yes, hundreds) of small, lentille sized stones, dozens of olive sized stones, and three or four rocks about one inch across! And I am still passing more stones... I wonder how my liver could work with so much dirt in it.

Regarding my health, well... I think it just saved my life. Really.

Prior to the cleanse, I couldn't eat anything without experiencing pain in my intestines and bowel. At first, I thought I had colon cancer or something like that. The solution to me was obvious: fasting, or a diet of fruits or liquids. But even that was too hard to maintain precisely due to the stones in my liver. Everytime I tried a fast, I started feeling an acute pain in my right side, and I felt very very bad. I mean, a fast is hard for everybody, but to me it was just like hell. I guess it was the body trying to get rid of the stones.

But eating again was very painful too. I was just so f##### up. I tought I was dying of cancer and I couldn't do anything about it.

But this book of Andreas Moritz fell to my hands like a blessing. It was god send. Just after the first cleanse, I realized that my problem was not cancer, but just liver stones. My liver and gallbladder were so blocked that I was at the edge of a liver failure and couldn't digest almost anything.

Now, after 5 sessions, my health has improved a lot. I feel like I am out of the "dangerous zone".

As you can imagine, I recommend this cleanse to everybody. It's very easy to perform, and it's just amazing. I wonder why it's so little known by the general public.

BTW I am glad to be here again after so many months without writing. I salute you all and wish you the best.

Well! not a single stone, nothing, zero. I was expecting and hoping to see a few small ones, but no way. I looked for them carefully with a stick in the faeces in case they were not floating, but nothing. It was kind of disappointing.

I dont think I deviated too much from the technique, so it seems my liver was perfectly clean. I am surprised, because I am no saint, in my past life there are some mistakes, and we all live in a very toxic environment; and I never did a proper long complete fast. Perhaps the medication factor is very important in developing stones, for in that respect I have consumed almost no medical drugs at all. Or, another possible explanation, I did throughout my life quite a lot of intestines cleansing, as they are so related to the liver, maybe it helps it too somehow. Or, the last explanation I can think of, my eating and drinking a lot of the great stinging nettle, which I seem to remember among its many effects, it "purifies the blood", therefore suggesting liver cleansing.

Anyways, I wont do it again. I´ve confirmed my previous thinking: that this cleanse seems useful for someone who is in very bad condition, like :having a belly, obvious signs of liver congestion, like the ones described in Moritz book, ant that is not capable of fasting, either because is very hard for them, or because of lacking knowledge or confidence about the process. The cleanse is better than having the stones, no doubt, and this techniques deserves a place at the beginning of a protocol to move in the direction of inedia, for people who start in bad condition, but that's it.

For the rest of us, it is better to dissolve possible small stones simply by fasting. That mixture of lemon and orange juice and olive oil you have to drink must be a tremendous kick to the liver (to start with, those are brutally incompatible foods!). And the Epsom salts in such monstrous quantities are clearly extremely purgative, we know that really means the bowels react evacuating something that at the end of the day is harmful to them. I feel Loren Lockmand had a point.

Sheen wrote: >>"Everytime I tried a fast, I started feeling an acute pain in my right side, and I felt very very bad. I mean, a fast is hard for everybody, but to me it was just like hell. I guess it was the body trying to get rid of the stones. "

That is very important: no doubt it was. Another clue is the nausea some people feel; that must be bile coming to the stomach or something.

I wonder how many days of water fast are needed for stones to be cleared.