Haha it's not really a coincidence that most of O'Keefe's fans become sold on him without (or at least before) actually sitting down and watching him bowl properly. He was really unlucky not to be picked when Beer was picked against England, especially since Beer had done nothing, but as I said at the time, if you watched them both bowl you'd at least get it, even if you strongly disagreed with it.

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey Tucker

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Originally Posted by GIMH

Freddie is the greatest cricketer ever so the fact these comparisons are being made means three things:

Haha it's not really a coincidence that most of O'Keefe's fans become sold on him without (or at least before) actually sitting down and watching him bowl properly. He was really unlucky not to be picked when Beer was picked against England, especially since Beer had done nothing, but as I said at the time, if you watched them both bowl you'd at least get it, even if you strongly disagreed with it.

Just one thing though, wouldn't India perhaps suit SOK and his style? like isn't the problem that he basically does nothing in the air (bar some angle...) which makes him a no goer in Aus, but in India where maybe he can expect some kick and bite from the pitch...?

Just one thing though, wouldn't India perhaps suit SOK and his style? like isn't the problem that he basically does nothing in the air (bar some angle...) which makes him a no goer in Aus, but in India where maybe he can expect some kick and bite from the pitch...?

I don't think he puts enough revs on the ball, especially in terms of overspin, to really be a threat in India.

I've heard people say that flat, fastish finger spinners are the way to go in India. I'm non committal but tis what I've heard. Maybe for the reason mentioned earlier that you don't have to flight it or spin it too hard to get turn there. What you need is the accuracy. So apart from the ? over Lyon's ability to secure the latter necessity conditions should suit there.

I've heard people say that flat, fastish finger spinners are the way to go in India. I'm non committal but tis what I've heard. Maybe for the reason mentioned earlier that you don't have to flight it or spin it too hard to get turn there. What you need is the accuracy. So apart from the ? over Lyon's ability to secure the latter necessity conditions should suit there.

The ball spits in India, but you still need to spin it hard and get the ball rotating quickly even if you're not really going for dip. Bowling fast spin is still pointless if you're really just bowling nude darts.

A lot was said about how Panesar bowled quickly and accurately, but what made him successful was his ability to do that without compromising the work he was putting on the ball. A classic case of trying to get the ball up and down as quickly as possible; not exactly a case of getting the ball to the other end as quickly as possible.

Wasn't much different to Panesar's natural arc though, he's never really gotten much overspin on the ball. Swann and Panesar are both bowlers who can get serious work on the ball at 90-95km/h; it's one thing that Lyon definitely cannot do, and SOK's quick stuff just slides straight on.

Good sign to see O'Keefe getting some good turn on day 1 of the Shield game though; might be properly ragging by the end of the match.