Just thinking...

I think people recognize that fact, but some people are intent on ignoring some details in order to delude themselves into believing their hopes and dreams will come true.

It's a lot like convincing oneself that Leighton was a good idea, and a good goalie.

I do not think it is out of the realm of possibilities. I did not think Gagne was getting moved, and if goalie is the position that hurts this team down the stretch here, Homer is going to have to look at his options. The contract is a good thing in trade value.

Now, do I really think it is going to happen? Nope, the organization is in love with Carter and Richards to a fault and have endorsed them with the face of the franchise tag. But if Carter comes out of this playoffs with some more donuts on the scoring sheet, and not contributing elsewhere that is @$7.250mill that could be used elsewhere, he is paid to score, if he ain't scoring it is like Zherdev, he is loses his value.

I do not think it is out of the realm of possibilities. I did not think Gagne was getting moved, and if goalie is the position that hurts this team down the stretch here, Homer is going to have to look at his options. The contract is a good thing in trade value.

Now, do I really think it is going to happen? Nope, the organization is in love with Carter and Richards to a fault and have endorsed them with the face of the franchise tag. But if Carter comes out of this playoffs with some more donuts on the scoring sheet, and not contributing elsewhere that is @$7.250mill that could be used elsewhere, he is paid to score, if he ain't scoring it is like Zherdev, he is loses his value.

7.25M, where the hell does that number come from?

There was nothing particularly shocking about moving Gagne, it was just a pathetically terrible deal that he actually struck which didn't really accomplish what it should have been used to accomplish.

This would have been the move last season, but LA is not going to give up Quick right now IMO. If Philly was going to deal with a team and get a guy who could step in at a young age and be a quality goalie it would be Schneider.

Quick was clearly not an option last off-season, no matter how many rumours were floating around.

The Kings believed they were a contender this year and had very little confidence in Bernier this season. He may be their goalie of the future, but the Kings were clearly unwilling to hand over the starter's role to him now.

Quick was clearly not an option last off-season, no matter how many rumours were floating around.

The Kings believed they were a contender this year and had very little confidence in Bernier this season. He may be their goalie of the future, but the Kings were clearly unwilling to hand over the starter's role to him now.

When you aggressively pursue a high scoring free agent forward, you're not looking to sacrifice stability in net to increase your depth up front on top of that.

Lombardi/Murray stated multiple times that they were hoping Bernier would lessen the work load from Quick and they never publically announced that either goalie was on the market. Based on their comments, though, it was clear that they believed Quick was gassed from the 72 (!) starts he had in 2009/10 and he was their guy for 2010/11, with the hope that Bernier could play enough to knock Quick back to 60-ish starts.

Just because you think it's a good deal for the Flyers, doesn't mean Lombardi even remotely considered a trade for Carter as a possibility.

Quick is one hell of a goalie. If the deal on the table was Brown and Quick for Carter, the flyers would of been stupid not to take it. But i seriously doubt that deal was ever there

It wasn't there only because Homer would not offer up Carter at the time. Carter could have gotten Quick/Bernier and Williams/Simmonds back at the time, but bottom line is Homer was not dealing Carter.

When you aggressively pursue a high scoring free agent forward, you're not looking to sacrifice stability in net to increase your depth up front on top of that.

Lombardi/Murray stated multiple times that they were hoping Bernier would lessen the work load from Quick and they never publically announced that either goalie was on the market. Based on their comments, though, it was clear that they believed Quick was gassed from the 72 (!) starts he had in 2009/10 and he was their guy for 2010/11, with the hope that Bernier could play enough to knock Quick back to 60-ish starts.

Just because you think it's a good deal for the Flyers, doesn't mean Lombardi even remotely considered a trade for Carter as a possibility.

It wasn't there only because Homer would not offer up Carter at the time. Carter could have gotten Quick/Bernier and Williams/Simmonds back at the time, but bottom line is Homer was not dealing Carter.

Wait, so you'd give up Carter for Bernier now?

Bottom line is, the Kings weren't dealing Quick and Bernier is too green to give up a player like Carter.

Bottom line is, the Kings weren't dealing Quick and Bernier is too green to give up a player like Carter.

No, you are making the assumption that no deal could have been made including Carter for any combination of a goalie in LA and a fwd. Homer would have been out of his gord to not have made an offer of Carter for Bernier, Simmonds, and a draft pick(with the ability to now keep Gagne and still acquire Meszaros) or a combination deal of Carter for Quick and Williams(whom LA was looking to unload at the time).

Bottom line is the only reason a deal was not made was because the organization held Carter as a face of the franchise, and thus why they signed him long term, but at the same time they did not close the door by delaying the NTC until 2012-13 season.

As everyone seems to agree, who would not want a perennial 40 goal scorer who is excellent in both ends of the ice? And they would not make a deal because of Quick or Bernier??? If Carter was on the table they would have jumped at the chance, what combination of players and the expectation coming back is open to debate.

Deals are made when teams have a position of strength and need to move that to fill an area of weakness.

I do not think it is out of the realm of possibilities. I did not think Gagne was getting moved, and if goalie is the position that hurts this team down the stretch here, Homer is going to have to look at his options. The contract is a good thing in trade value.

Now, do I really think it is going to happen? Nope, the organization is in love with Carter and Richards to a fault and have endorsed them with the face of the franchise tag. But if Carter comes out of this playoffs with some more donuts on the scoring sheet, and not contributing elsewhere that is @$7.250mill that could be used elsewhere, he is paid to score, if he ain't scoring it is like Zherdev, he is loses his value.

Carter may be traded if he isn't central to this team moving forward, but not in the next few seasons. And not without some serious issues with teammates or management or something, or just horrid under-performing (in regular season and playoffs). Bank it.

It wasn't there only because Homer would not offer up Carter at the time. Carter could have gotten Quick/Bernier and Williams/Simmonds back at the time, but bottom line is Homer was not dealing Carter.

You keep saying "Source or opinion?", so I guess I can ask you the same about what I just quoted.

"It wasn't there only because Homer would not offer up Carter at the time" ~ Those are your words. Source or opinion?

It wasn't there only because Homer would not offer up Carter at the time. Carter could have gotten Quick/Bernier and Williams/Simmonds back at the time, but bottom line is Homer was not dealing Carter.

It wasn't there only because Homer would not offer up Carter at the time. Carter could have gotten Quick/Bernier and Williams/Simmonds back at the time, but bottom line is Homer was not dealing Carter.