Originally posted by randyvs
I mean to be an Evolutionist, you have to be able to get up look at
everyday anew and completely ignore :

the absolute grand design of everything you do and DON'T see.

And to be a creationist, you have to wake up every morning and convince yourself that not only is there a design, but that the designer looks, thinks,
and acts just like you, and designed everything for your benefit exclusively.

because if there's any design in any of it. i might have to face the
FACT that someone somewhere might have created all of this and
me, and that would mean i might have to bow down too someone
and blah blah blah. now how bout that? take it and run!!

Why would you need to bow down to it?

Also, if there is a designer, who designed it? Who designed its designer? So on and so forth.

if you agree i want to hear about it.
disagree i want to hear bout that to
but if this lil piece turns on a light bulb
or makes you double think for sec be honest and i really want to hear bout that too.

I'm not sure there's anything to agree or disagree with. You're really not making much of an argument, just spouting a few catchphrases that you
apparently think nobody has ever said before.

very interested to see where this goes

[edit on 4-6-2009 by randyvs]

Same place the other two hundred and fifty thousand half-formed thread ideas about how evolution isn't true because the bible is went. Good luck.

I myself am an agnostic. I have a truly open mind, I can't believe there is a god because there is no proof that he/she exists. On the other hand I
can't believe there isn't a god because there is no proof that he/she isn't real.

I lean more to the side that there is a god because something cannot come from nothing, that is scientifically proven. But I do not believe in
a personal god whatsoever. I do not believe that god created the heavens and the Earth in six days and made Adam, who made Eve from his rib and so
on... I believe that if there is a god, he made the universe and all the matter in it and let things run their course.

EDIT: Holy #! I just thought of something really crazy after re-reading my post. What if we are just a simulation. Like a highly advanced race made a
computer program and tried to simulate the way their universe was made. Just think about it, we can make games like the Sims today, think about in the
next few hundred years, where we can make simulations far bigger and more complex. Wow, that just blew my #ing mind.

Originally posted by Mookie89
EDIT: Holy #! I just thought of something really crazy after re-reading my post. What if we are just a simulation. Like a highly advanced race made a
computer program and tried to simulate the way their universe was made. Just think about it, we can make games like the Sims today, think about in the
next few hundred years, where we can make simulations far bigger and more complex. Wow, that just blew my #ing mind.

You can't program consciousness, observation and what it means to "be". The universe is a program, that which observes it is not.
Consciousness creates logic, you can't use logic to define those things above. Go ahead and try.

Originally posted by badmedia
You can't program consciousness, observation and what it means to "be". The universe is a program, that which observes it is not.
Consciousness creates logic, you can't use logic to define those things above. Go ahead and try.

You can, if you know the mathematics/mechanics of randomness and if you can figure out how to passively cause order from chaos and vice-versa. Life
and our reality are varying degrees of order and chaos. I'm not actually kidding.

Nevertheless we shouldn't mess with it for our own amusement even if we had the know-how. Bringing life into this world is associated with
tremendous responsibility.

I Think what I was trying to get at was that if someone was running it, it is not us.
We would be the play piece being run with input from two opposing players.
I was just thinking that if you did not believe in one, you might believe in the other.
Not that I believe the analogy really works.

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