Yeah, who would have thought a race historically persecuted and specifically targeted for extermination in living memory (not to mention being surrounded by enemies who want them dead and their nation destroyed) would be little concerned with keeping the numbers up.

Shocking.

/Also, every country in the world isn't the same as the one you live in.

God Is My Co-Pirate:Or - and I know this is a stretch, but work with me here - you could shut the fark up and treat women like adult human beings.

Do you think that all government educational outreach programs don't treat citizens "like adult human beings" or just these?

I see all kinds of shiat all over the place where the government has found that people don't know something that has a public health or safety component and are educating them about it -- drunk driving, shaking babies, texting/driving, HIV and other STDs, babies-in-the-car, handwashing, etc.

To the subby's point: Actually, when it comes down to it, condoms are relatively poor at preventing pregnancy compared to quite a few other methods (IUD, depo, etc.) but are by far the best at reducing the chance of STD transmission.

So, anyway, if you want to avoid / postpone having kids, look into some options other than condoms.

7 billion people on this planet and governments are pushing for more. I think we ought to be providing incentives to *not* reproduce. If there's worry about supporting an aging population, maybe offer incentives to shuffle off a little sooner. A plan to save economies by increasing the global population is just a plan to save economic (and environmental) ruin for later generations.

God Is My Co-Pirate:Or - and I know this is a stretch, but work with me here - you could shut the fark up and treat women like adult human beings.

Or, perhaps, they're trying to help people who have been told most of their lives that they can have anything they want, whenever they want.* But biology doesn't work that way. It's not a social construction. Dangers go up, fertility goes down.

*Whether that is or is not the case in Israel is unknown to me. Speaking only to a possibility.

the issue is that so many people in tel aviv get too used to the lifestyle of just farking someone else every week that they never settle down... it worries the libs in these organizations that the only ones who are having kids are the haredi and the arabs... unfortunately it's true...

Yeah, who would have thought a race historically persecuted and specifically targeted for extermination in living memory (not to mention being surrounded by enemies who want them dead and their nation destroyed) would be little concerned with keeping the numbers up.

Shocking.

/Also, every country in the world isn't the same as the one you live in.

RatOmeter:7 billion people on this planet and governments are pushing for more. I think we ought to be providing incentives to *not* reproduce. If there's worry about supporting an aging population, maybe offer incentives to shuffle off a little sooner. A plan to save economies by increasing the global population is just a plan to save economic (and environmental) ruin for later generations.

Here's a quick quiz for you:

Is there more or less forested area in the United States now than there was 100 years ago?Over the last 40 years, has air pollution in the United States gotten better or worse?Over the last 40 years, has water pollution in the United States gotten better or worse?

I thought the traditional Jewish approach here was "OK, fine, don't give me any grandkids. I can manage perfectly fine without little darlings to spoil in my old age. No, don't worry about your old mother, you go and have fun with your wanton lifestyle."

meanmutton:RatOmeter: 7 billion people on this planet and governments are pushing for more. I think we ought to be providing incentives to *not* reproduce. If there's worry about supporting an aging population, maybe offer incentives to shuffle off a little sooner. A plan to save economies by increasing the global population is just a plan to save economic (and environmental) ruin for later generations.

Here's a quick quiz for you:

Is there more or less forested area in the United States now than there was 100 years ago?Over the last 40 years, has air pollution in the United States gotten better or worse?Over the last 40 years, has water pollution in the United States gotten better or worse?

You want to fix the environment? We need more people getting richer.

Over the last 40 years, has the United States opened more factories, or shipped them all overseas? When all those manufacturing jobs got outsourced, the pollution got outsourced with them.

They're slower to give up "the old ways" (of the last 50-60 years). When women were "taken" as brides - married to the first guy they wanted to sleep with, or the first to sleep with them, or the first with money, or the first to... - when they were 18-22, and a single 25-year-old was a shame to her family. It's more a European thing, but vestiges of it survived in America (not for long, though).

The weird thing is, the IFA is likely a modern, progressive organization. Like a feminist who earnestly believes her place is to serve husband and family from a kitchen, it's hard to grasp that someone actually believes in it, promotes it.

I thought the traditional Jewish approach here was "OK, fine, don't give me any grandkids. I can manage perfectly fine without little darlings to spoil in my old age. No, don't worry about your old mother, you go and have fun with your wanton lifestyle."

God Is My Co-Pirate:Or - and I know this is a stretch, but work with me here - you could shut the fark up and treat women like adult human beings.

But; without education, women are absolutely helpless to do anything except what their husband says. Because, as we all know; the world is a man dominated, manocyntric, manocracy. Also, men are teh debil.

Bondith:meanmutton: RatOmeter: 7 billion people on this planet and governments are pushing for more. I think we ought to be providing incentives to *not* reproduce. If there's worry about supporting an aging population, maybe offer incentives to shuffle off a little sooner. A plan to save economies by increasing the global population is just a plan to save economic (and environmental) ruin for later generations.

Here's a quick quiz for you:

Is there more or less forested area in the United States now than there was 100 years ago?Over the last 40 years, has air pollution in the United States gotten better or worse?Over the last 40 years, has water pollution in the United States gotten better or worse?

You want to fix the environment? We need more people getting richer.

Over the last 40 years, has the United States opened more factories, or shipped them all overseas? When all those manufacturing jobs got outsourced, the pollution got outsourced with them.

i think that china has a similar argument whenever we try to request that they decrease pollution. basically, they say, wtf, you guys destroyed the world during your industrial revolution... well, we're going through ours, so give us a break.

Yeah, who would have thought a race historically persecuted and specifically targeted for extermination in living memory (not to mention being surrounded by enemies who want them dead and their nation destroyed) would be little concerned with keeping the numbers up.

Shocking.

/Also, every country in the world isn't the same as the one you live in.

Racial miscegination is a major crime in Israel. You know what other state outlawed miscegination?

Is there more or less forested area in the United States now than there was 100 years ago?Over the last 40 years, has air pollution in the United States gotten better or worse?Over the last 40 years, has water pollution in the United States gotten better or worse?

Yeah, who would have thought a race historically persecuted and specifically targeted for extermination in living memory (not to mention being surrounded by enemies who want them dead and their nation destroyed) would be little concerned with keeping the numbers up.

Shocking.

/Also, every country in the world isn't the same as the one you live in.

As long as I get to repeatedly sexually assault or apply quid pro quo on hot aspiring (non-Jewish) actresses and models, you could murder ALL my extended relatives in Poland, for all I care.

When your religion and social customs term all non-Jewish females to be sex slave cattle in the eyes of god and his Chosen People (!), then you forfeit any compassion in excess of that I'd have for other persecution victims. Like other bullies, Israeli and Neocon fanatics love to bring up past persecution in order to justify present and future cruelties, thefts and injustices against others. As such, there is no moral difference between Netan-yahoo and Milosevic. There is NO god, and there is NO chosen people.

Yeah, who would have thought a race historically persecuted and specifically targeted for extermination in living memory (not to mention being surrounded by enemies who want them dead and their nation destroyed) would be little concerned with keeping the numbers up.

Shocking.

/Also, every country in the world isn't the same as the one you live in.

Racial miscegination is a major crime in Israel. You know what other state outlawed miscegination?

meanmutton:RatOmeter: 7 billion people on this planet and governments are pushing for more. I think we ought to be providing incentives to *not* reproduce. If there's worry about supporting an aging population, maybe offer incentives to shuffle off a little sooner. A plan to save economies by increasing the global population is just a plan to save economic (and environmental) ruin for later generations.

Here's a quick quiz for you:

Is there more or less forested area in the United States now than there was 100 years ago?Over the last 40 years, has air pollution in the United States gotten better or worse?Over the last 40 years, has water pollution in the United States gotten better or worse?

You want to fix the environment? We need more people getting richer.

Oh, I completely agree with you. An educated populous is generally wealthier. And it's easier to educate fewer new people. Providing incentive to existing uneducated, unwealthy people to not make more people makes it easier for them to become educated and wealthy.

The problem with what you're saying is that it's okay to socially isolate people who have relations with people outside of thier race. In the strange land that I come from, to do that would be racism. It shouldn't be a crime in the first place.

wedun:The problem with what you're saying is that it's okay to socially isolate people who have relations with people outside of thier race. In the strange land that I come from, to do that would be racism. It shouldn't be a crime in the first place.

I agree, the mistreatment of muslim women who talk to, let alone sleep with non-muslims is indeed horrifying.

That's a far cry from your claim that racial miscegination is illegal. There is also a lot more to that story.

Did you notice that the article did not mention where the testimony of the complaintent did not follow the availiable evidence? Or do you just like to hear things that make you feel better about a court system that systematically discriminates against non-jews?

RatOmeter:Oh, I completely agree with you. An educated populous is generally wealthier. And it's easier to educate fewer new people. Providing incentive to existing uneducated, unwealthy people to not make more people makes it easier for them to become educated and wealthy.

Need a troll detector for Christmas?

More people getting richer only works absent the laws of thermodynamics, despite the growth philosophy that the capitalists have pounded into everyone's heads.

proteus_b:wedun: The problem with what you're saying is that it's okay to socially isolate people who have relations with people outside of thier race. In the strange land that I come from, to do that would be racism. It shouldn't be a crime in the first place.

I agree, the mistreatment of muslim women who talk to, let alone sleep with non-muslims is indeed horrifying.

are you saying that because some muslims violently repress women, that it's okay to marginalize and dehumanize them? How about the Haredim? should they be marginalized and dehumanized in Israel?

wedun:Did you notice that the article did not mention where the testimony of the complaintent did not follow the availiable evidence? Or do you just like to hear things that make you feel better about a court system that systematically discriminates against non-jews?

I'm no fan of my country's politics but I don't like bullshiat claims like you made either. We have enough lies and propaganda here as it is.

wedun:are you saying that because some muslims violently repress women, that it's okay to marginalize and dehumanize them? How about the Haredim? should they be marginalized and dehumanized in Israel?

i am saying nothing of the sort. but you are the one ranting about people who fear "miscegination" in israel. plenty of jewish girls have married muslims and christians, but you will not find so many muslim girls marrying jews. i suppose it is the nazi-like intolerance of netanyahu which is to blame...