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Re: Should school uniforms be banned?

Originally Posted by Bodhisattva

Not one kid ever got into trouble about anything? You are a liar and your observations are noted as worthless.

I only worked at one private school and I can tell you quite confidently that there are discipline problems, but teachers and admins are often a little afraid to bring them up since daddy can get you fired or if it is serious enough and brought up, it is sometimes bought off and hidden.

I said "fewer", not "none", show some respect for your betters, or elders, or both, as the case might be....

Re: Should school uniforms be banned?

Originally Posted by UtahBill

I said "fewer", not "none", show some respect for your betters, or elders, or both, as the case might be....

Elders in this case, and one with alzheimer's. The first part, "Not one kid ever got into trouble about anything? You are a liar and your observations are noted as worthless" was to the kid. The second part was to you.

Re: Should school uniforms be banned?

There are several wise people in DP, some of them are even young, and that is admirable. But youth is a time to learn the most important thing about learning, we must keep doing it, constantly. That is the only way to find out that much of what we think we know turns out to be so much Caca del Toro....

Re: Should school uniforms be banned?

Originally Posted by Bodhisattva

Elders in this case, and one with alzheimer's. The first part, "Not one kid ever got into trouble about anything? You are a liar and your observations are noted as worthless" was to the kid. The second part was to you.

I got that....and it is halfzheimer's....get out of the sun, son, you are getting well done....

Re: Should school uniforms be banned?

Originally Posted by UtahBill

I got that....and it is halfzheimer's....get out of the sun, son, you are getting well done....

Actually, I don't have the kids for a few days, so today is gonna be a repeat of yesterday. A few hours of surfing followed by a few hours of golf followed by an hour or so of soccer on the beach and wrapped up with a beer and a BBQ.

Re: Should school uniforms be banned?

You can't remember your school's name? Not all that memorable, I guess.

Do you remember your teachers name when you were in fifth grade? I do, but I can't remember the name of the school. I don't think its that big of a deal.

Originally Posted by UtahBill

9 and 2? you haven't raised them yet!!! You got a real treat coming....the TEEN YEARS....

Yeah, I know. They are both girls too.

Originally Posted by Dittohead not!

Way to demonstrate respect, Henrin.

I'm sorry, but did he NOT just call me dumb before that? Am I supposed to be the shining light of respect because I'm younger?

You can say whatever you like. There is no way for us to check it out, anyway.

Back at you buddy.

Good thing.

Yeah, good thing.

You don't remember what school you went to seventeen years ago?

My memory is pretty good on most things but when I was eleven I focused more on the people around me than the schools name, so forgive me if it got lost on me.

Originally Posted by UtahBill

Far more relevant? If you don't have them under control by age 5 or 6, you will be spending the next 15 years trying to regain lost ground. And the teen years will probably be the hardest.

Bingo. I think this was kind of his point. Teaching kids how to behave and getting them under control when they are young is key.

As for control freak, it appears you and Henren have been subjected to such control. Just getting your side of the story isn't enough to make a judgement in your case,

My parents were anything but controlling actually. I'm just very venomous towards controlling behavior to a large degree.

...but I have seen the results of control freaks...the kids move away as soon as possible and hardly ever come back.

My point again. If you put to much control in the picture the kids won't like you and most likely won't visit after they move out.

Looking for sympathy won't be any help. We all have our burdens in life, and it is up to each of us to find a way to overcome those burderns.

I don't understand this one. How is he looking for sympathy?

Originally Posted by Bodhisattva

Comprehension issues? He quite clearly stated, "raise kids".

Have you ever heard of grandparents having a large role in raising their grandkids? If the kids spend the night at his house often, he is having a big role on raising them. Learn to see the big picture.

Not one kid ever got into trouble about anything? You are a liar and your observations are noted as worthless.

Not really. We were a lovable bunch.

Ok, there was a kid that liked running in the hallway, but running is not really a bad thing, imho.

Re: Should school uniforms be banned?

Originally Posted by Henrin

Have you ever heard of grandparents having a large role in raising their grandkids? If the kids spend the night at his house often, he is having a big role on raising them. Learn to see the big picture.

So when he is talking about raising kids and talks abour raising his own kids and never mentions grandparents raising kids, I am missing the big picture that grandparents are somehow involved when I say that he is clearly taking about raising kids when I use his quote about "raising kids" as evidence? LOL! Seriously?

Not really. We were a lovable bunch.

Ok, there was kid that liked running in the hallway, but running is not really a bad thing, imho.

I take back the liar comment, since a person with the memory problems that you have isn't really lying, just kinda lost.

I just can't believe that you had your first kid at 10 years-old... that is amazing.

I said you were inferior? Provide a link please or kindly keep your inferiority complex to yourself...

FOR ****'S SAKE MAN KEEP TRACK OF THE DAMN CONVERSATION! We were talking about something dittohead said and it was not even remotely related to anyone calling me inferior.

Then kindly display the fallacy...

Fallacious does not mean that there is some named fallacy if that is what you are asking for. I am saying your reasoning is faulty.

Argumentative... one can be confident in some aspects of themselves and not in others.

I do not think it really matters since we are talking about your attitude in this case, not in general.

Naive is not inferior... sorry.

I was not referring to those comments.

I didn't say simplistic, I said "conscious". You really need to start reading better...

I know what you said and what I was saying is that it is something I would have pondered. If I had wanted someone to "control" me it is something I would have recognized.

I believe you actually said, "a short time ago".

No, that is what someone else said. I only said "a while ago" and you should check since you obviously haven't.

All in all, you have your opinion based off of nothing other than lack of experience. Good for you. Keep telling us that have gone through the experiences ourself that we don't know what we are talking about.

Just because you have experienced something does not mean you are better at objectively analyzing it. Actually, personal experience tends to have the opposite effect.

If anything, I would argue that you have an inferiority complex that you mask with a ridiculous amount of arrogance. It seems to seep from every word that you say...

No, you see I just a get little hostile when people talk down to me and treat me like I am beneath them. It has nothing to do with feeling inferior.

Originally Posted by Dittohead not!

True, yet several of us have come to the same conclusion based on the content of your posts. Why do you think that is?

Like I said, it is to be expected that people of the same mind on an issue would use the same fallacious reasoning. Let us be clear your presumption about my age is not based on anything even remotely approaching reason, but entirely based on the fact that I am disagreeing with you.

Originally Posted by UtahBill

Far more relevant? If you don't have them under control by age 5 or 6, you will be spending the next 15 years trying to regain lost ground.

Am I to talk that as essentially agreeing with what I said?

As for control freak, it appears you and Henren have been subjected to such control. Just getting your side of the story isn't enough to make a judgement in your case, but I have seen the results of control freaks...the kids move away as soon as possible and hardly ever come back.

My parents are hardcore Evangelicals so in a sense I was. However, I got away with plenty they would not have wanted so their attempts at control were miserable failures. That is the point. Using something like uniforms to control kids is not going to work and can only cause damage. You should not presume that someone turning out well later in life in any way reflects on a parent's actions. Teenagers are human beings after all and they are exposed to far more people and situations than those concerning their parents. They also have their own minds to figure things out with.

Looking for sympathy won't be any help. We all have our burdens in life, and it is up to each of us to find a way to overcome those burderns.

I am not looking for sympathy.

"For what is Evil but Good-tortured by its own hunger and thirst?"- Khalil Gibran