"Once there was a summer of love. People were protesting not to take rights away, not to hate, but to grant rights – and to love. Welcome almost half a century later to the winter of hate.

The Family Research Council, which likes to claim it advances “faith, family and freedom” as “core values” doesn’t actually care much for freedom. The FRC wants God to do away with the evil rabble occupying Wall Street. But what are the protestors doing after all but protesting on behalf of their – and our – freedom? Significantly, FRC wants to pray the whole thing away, rather like similar prayer movements have prayed gasoline back down to a dollar a gallon. As Rick Perry would say, “Ooops.” Never mind…."

Its sad that we have so many issues keeping families together here in America. Or should I say The Americas (winks at the canooks) The main difference I can see in these relationships is that when you had someone at home with the kids they turned out better, they knew how to build relationships better, they modeled the behavior of their parents in that if Dad treats Mom with respect most of the time so would all of the male children treat woman in general. When money becomes the driving force and pulls the parents out of the home, keeps them so busy they cannot attend school functions and support local education by so doing, then no one is there at home and all a parent is modeling at that point is that the parent thinks more of stuff than of the children. That's what FRC should be praying about. Or maybe just maybe we could see a baptist organization feed some little American children for a change but then again they have been doing that in Africa for the last hundred years and we all see how that's going.

Partly true. Actually WWII gave rise to a growing number of women leaving the house to work cause they had to during the war . They found they liked the extra income and the responsibilities. It was kind of a choice. Then you throw the feminist movement in on top of that (not hating on the females) and even more women decided they wanted to work rather than raise babies. All of this led to the two wage household once the corporations caught on the rest was history. Not that they made anyone go to work, all they did was make stuff look really attractive (like crack attractive) and convince people it was not cool not to have stuff. It was all a matter of choice really caused only by our own raven fascination for shiny objects and such. Now the real question is how do we change all this without bringing the house of cards down on our collective head? Well I guess that is what those people will be praying about I know I will be (though that group may not think my prayers count.)

Women were driven back into their homes following WWII, and America enjoyed great prosperity and the most equal economic distribution we've probably ever known (except it was all in the hands of white men). And yes, consumer capitalism was born. A couple I know only brings in $35,000 and he stays home and raises their child. They're almost always broke yet somehow they manage to own a beautiful old farm home, eat well, and raise up an incredibly intelligent child.

I will pray that G-d grants all of my enemies a life that is no better or worse than the life my enemies would have me or OWS supporters live, if that pleases G-d and is the will of G-d. If my allies seek my best interests, I ask that G-d help to fulfil their best interests and that they receive twice the good, they will for me, if this so pleases G-d and is the will of G-d. Amen

And adbusters.org orchestrated OWS to commence in the Fall - can't help but wonder if the Occupiers who followed suit have been "culturejammed." Regroup this winter, return in Spring as a stronger Movement of our own design.

Everyone I know in the movement knows that a violent campaign will not work. The protesters who are advocating violence, I believe, are bored with peace and need to let off some steam. They can go to a hardcore show, play paintball, extreme sports, jump out of an airplane, whatever ... I will do anything I can to ensure that their selfish, aggravated tendencies do not manage to co-opt the Movement. See my below post concerning some mysterious "anti-Capitalist Bloc" and their plans to slay the Wall Street bull on Thanksgiving Day. Yeah, good luck with that kids.

They tried praying the gay away in my brother but that didn't seem to work as he is still gay, and he still cannot get married. People who say pray are really thinking prey when they tell to do that. Because that then leads to how you should pray, and how much you should donate and how you should live (from a very narrow perspective).

I have always said that G-d created Gay men, so that average looking guys, like me, could get girlfriends. A disproportionate number of Gay guys, also look like models, including my uncle, the lucky bastard... I am so glad that there is no pray away, for the gay! [wink]

That's funny, I thought about inserting the word "prey" and decided against it. Glad to hear that you're brother is still gay. I support anyone's desire to get married though I will never understand why marriage is still viewed as a desirable institution. Hetero marriages almost uniformly fail and I can't help but think that gays may be much better at it -- maybe that's why those who condemn gay marriage do so, they don't want to be upstaged.

I'm divorced, I still have a close relationship with my ex. He says he will never make the mistake of trying to marry me again though! Why on earth shouldn't Gay people get married and learn these happy little life lessons too?

The kids are just fine. Maybe they can grow and be gay and get married one day and then divorced themselves? It would make me so proud. Then when we die we could all go straight to heaven and be together forever! As long as they never go Republican there is always a chance at Heaven for them......

I've heard about 50%, and a marriage is not necessarily successful simply because it hasn't yet ended in divorce. Personally, I've only known a handful of people in an admirable marriage. Guess you're right on the half-empty, half-full claim. Maybe I just know a disproportionate number of people whose marriages were damned. Economic strain doesn't help anyone who's attempting to make a marriage work.