AG: Sure. Well, Everyone knows that anyway. You can see that in Timemagazineat this point.

ST: Yeah, but they don’t quite say it that way.

AG: Yes they do.

GC: They do in a way..

AG: They do- Just turn to their religion page and you’ll hear all sorts of harangues about our valuesbeing screwy - Well everybody knows that anyway…

ST: What made you, you think, the poet you are, what, do you think, brought about the feelings you have?

AG: Suffering.

GC: God

ST: You (Allen) say suffering and you (Gregory) say God?

AG: Lollipops, Peter?

Peter Orlovsky: Lollipops, Pennies..

ST: Pennies? GC: Gum-Machines.

ST: Now where does that leave us? – I don’t know where I’m left at the moment but where does this leave us ?

AG: Well whatmadeyou the way you are?

GC: Where does it leave you? AG:Did you have a dream last night?

ST: Where does it leave me, you say? Yeah. I’ll… I’ll have to figure this one out. But I want some…not that I’m looking for anything specific, if.. I know it can’t be done in a sentence,but since you are…

AG: But we’re not refusing to be specific. He was talking about gum-machines and hair, and I was talking about rocket-ships and people (a very specific person I know who’s in the bug-house who I dig). And he (Peter Orlovsky)’s talking about lollipops. So this is not refusing to bespecific.

But, inthe Diamond Sutra, which is a conversation by Buddha, it says that all conceptions of the existence of the self or the non-existence of the self are equally arbitrary, being only conceptions, so that when asked a question, “What is your conception of this?" and "What is your conception of that?", I realize, in advance that any answer is going to be.. is going to…evade the grist of things, actually.