Boundary changes meant the ward had to cut from three councillors to two, but all three have been stopped from standing as Labour candidates in the ward.

The three were on a shortlist of possible candidates but lost out in a secret ballot on Tuesday, which the Press understands saw fewer than 20 members of the Clifton branch vote in two new candidates.

Ken King has been a councillor for 32 years, representing first Bootham and later Clifton ward after an earlier reorganisation. He has served as Lord Mayor and until April this year served as consort to his daughter Cllr Julie Gunnell during her year as Lord Mayor.

David Scott has been a councillor for 11 years and led Labour from 2007 to 2010, before losing a leadership battle with James Alexander.

Helen Douglas has been a councillor since 2007 and is chairman of the council's Community Safety Overview and Scrutiny Committee.

All three said they supported Labour democratic process which gave branch members power to chose council candidates, but after growing up in Clifton and spending his life in the area, Cllr King said he was sad to leave the seat.

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He added: "I am a socialist and I have been a member of the Labour party for 50 years. It has been my life and I have no intention of leaving the party.

"I have been knocked down before, and I have got up and I will get up again this time."

The two candidates chosen were Margaret Wells, who is a member of York Central MP Hugh Bayley's staff, and Danny Myers.

Other wards are still to hold their selection meetings. All three said they would consider standing elsewhere in the city and ruled out leaving the party.

Cllr Douglas said: "What I know is that the Labour party needs more women councillors. I will go through the process that everybody is going through."

York's Labour party chairman Viv Kind said: "From a party point of view we need to provide a strong list of candidates for all branches to select their candidates. I can understand these three councillors will be shocked and disappointed, but I am encouraging all three to stand in other wards."

All three pledged to continue to work for the people of Clifton until May's elections.

Cllr Scott said: "I am focusing on what I need to focus on, which is making sure the residents of Clifton are well represented."

The news follows the deselection in May of Labour stalwart Brian Watson, who was dropped by the party while serving as Sheriff of York.

Cllr Watson, who has now left the party and is an independent councillor, did not make it onto the shortlist of possible Labour candidates for Guildhall.

Clifton branch chairman Jim Begley he thanked the three Clifton councillors for their hard work for the ward, particularly on taking up the fight over traffic problems at Clifton Green and introducing alleygating schemes to the area.

“They have been very very nice people and taken up a lot of cases in Clifton.”

He added: “It was always going to be a difficult reselection because of the boundary revisions – we were always going to lose one seat.”

Payback time, bail now and do York residents a favour. Why continue to be loyal to a party that respects nothing and no one beyond their personal ideology.

Payback time, bail now and do York residents a favour. Why continue to be loyal to a party that respects nothing and no one beyond their personal ideology.Flabbergob

Payback time, bail now and do York residents a favour. Why continue to be loyal to a party that respects nothing and no one beyond their personal ideology.

Score: -19

eeoodares says...6:27pm Thu 3 Jul 14

The headline should be "Night of the Long Knives plays out in York". It does not matter what they do 'Slim Jim' and his mates are done for in this City!

The headline should be "Night of the Long Knives plays out in York".
It does not matter what they do 'Slim Jim' and his mates are done for in this City!eeoodares

The headline should be "Night of the Long Knives plays out in York". It does not matter what they do 'Slim Jim' and his mates are done for in this City!

Score: -31

Redcap198 says...6:36pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Saw in the press that Jim boy had lost a lot of weight, hopefully by next May he will have disappeared for ever and taken his curly sidekick with him.

Saw in the press that Jim boy had lost a lot of weight, hopefully by next May he will have disappeared for ever and taken his curly sidekick with him.Redcap198

Saw in the press that Jim boy had lost a lot of weight, hopefully by next May he will have disappeared for ever and taken his curly sidekick with him.

Score: -25

Oaklands Resident says...6:48pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Making space for another intake of inexperienced York University students?

Making space for another intake of inexperienced York University students?Oaklands Resident

Making space for another intake of inexperienced York University students?

Score: -29

marvell says...6:51pm Thu 3 Jul 14

The York Labour Party are in disarray. There's so much in-fighting its unbelievable. Most of the back-benchers know that Calamity James has made their seats very precarious and the one's that speak out are getting axed. Here's hoping that Labour looses most of its councillors at the next election. Let's face it - they promised to listen to their voters then proceeded to ignore them over the last 4 years - Lendal Bridge; Union Terrace; Kings Square - all vanity projects that have wasted millions of pounds...

The York Labour Party are in disarray. There's so much in-fighting its unbelievable. Most of the back-benchers know that Calamity James has made their seats very precarious and the one's that speak out are getting axed.
Here's hoping that Labour looses most of its councillors at the next election. Let's face it - they promised to listen to their voters then proceeded to ignore them over the last 4 years - Lendal Bridge; Union Terrace; Kings Square - all vanity projects that have wasted millions of pounds...marvell

The York Labour Party are in disarray. There's so much in-fighting its unbelievable. Most of the back-benchers know that Calamity James has made their seats very precarious and the one's that speak out are getting axed. Here's hoping that Labour looses most of its councillors at the next election. Let's face it - they promised to listen to their voters then proceeded to ignore them over the last 4 years - Lendal Bridge; Union Terrace; Kings Square - all vanity projects that have wasted millions of pounds...

Score: -26

oi oi savaloy says...6:54pm Thu 3 Jul 14

and alexander and his hench(wo)man continue their Röhm-Putsch...

and alexander and his hench(wo)man continue their Röhm-Putsch...oi oi savaloy

and alexander and his hench(wo)man continue their Röhm-Putsch...

Score: -27

Y.I.P. says...7:06pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Boys and GIRLS come and join me .Y.I.P change is coming

Boys and GIRLS come and join me .Y.I.P change is comingY.I.P.

Boys and GIRLS come and join me .Y.I.P change is coming

Score: -31

rat scabies says...7:18pm Thu 3 Jul 14

So what now? More wet behind the ear's , moved oop north, straight from uni ex students?? What on earth is going on?

So what now? More wet behind the ear's , moved oop north, straight from uni ex students?? What on earth is going on?rat scabies

So what now? More wet behind the ear's , moved oop north, straight from uni ex students?? What on earth is going on?

Score: -26

Minstermummy says...7:34pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Another foul stench from the Labour Party in York .. Power mad egotistical autocratic arrogant ignorant .. How else can the leaders of the gang be summed up ? Vote Y.I.P next May

Another foul stench from the Labour Party in York .. Power mad egotistical autocratic arrogant ignorant ..
How else can the leaders of the gang be summed up ?
Vote Y.I.P next MayMinstermummy

Another foul stench from the Labour Party in York .. Power mad egotistical autocratic arrogant ignorant .. How else can the leaders of the gang be summed up ? Vote Y.I.P next May

Score: -26

BethFoxhunter96 says...7:42pm Thu 3 Jul 14

It seems odd to be blaming James Alexander for this given only members of Labour who live in Clifton have a choice. Political parties in small disarray before an election? Whatever next. Will bears be found to poo in woods? Scandal. For info, I am not Labour. I just hate the nonsense and hyperbole. Reasoned debate is the way forward. Also, I suspect a lot of people are going to be upset next May, not many of them wearing red. Bethany

It seems odd to be blaming James Alexander for this given only members of Labour who live in Clifton have a choice.
Political parties in small disarray before an election? Whatever next. Will bears be found to poo in woods? Scandal.
For info, I am not Labour. I just hate the nonsense and hyperbole. Reasoned debate is the way forward. Also, I suspect a lot of people are going to be upset next May, not many of them wearing red.
BethanyBethFoxhunter96

It seems odd to be blaming James Alexander for this given only members of Labour who live in Clifton have a choice. Political parties in small disarray before an election? Whatever next. Will bears be found to poo in woods? Scandal. For info, I am not Labour. I just hate the nonsense and hyperbole. Reasoned debate is the way forward. Also, I suspect a lot of people are going to be upset next May, not many of them wearing red. Bethany

Score: 38

nottoooldtocare says...8:14pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Call me old fashioned, but there was a time councillors would call at houses and seek thoughts and opinions of the electorate. Having done so they would try to address the wishes and fears etc. Sadly in these modern times, all too often Cllr's are only interested in their own profile and areas that are of specific interest or gain for them and their cronies. Slim Jim and his rag time band are particularly inept across most areas in my opinion, regardless of the political party they purport to represent. They have shown scant regard for the public, and wouldn't know how to spell consultation let alone do it. The dictionary suggests "consultation " early 15c., from M.Fr. consultation, from L. consultationem, from "consult," "to deliberate, consider," originally probably "to call together," as in "to gather the senate" (to ask for advice), Slim Jim and co believe it means "We think this is good despite the overwhelming evidence, and everyone else's thoughts, so put up and shut up". The big worry for me is that apathy amongst the disenchanted majority might just see them get voted in again, and what a mess that could lead to. Imagine living with JA's ego then!

Call me old fashioned, but there was a time councillors would call at houses and seek thoughts and opinions of the electorate. Having done so they would try to address the wishes and fears etc. Sadly in these modern times, all too often Cllr's are only interested in their own profile and areas that are of specific interest or gain for them and their cronies.
Slim Jim and his rag time band are particularly inept across most areas in my opinion, regardless of the political party they purport to represent. They have shown scant regard for the public, and wouldn't know how to spell consultation let alone do it.
The dictionary suggests "consultation "
early 15c., from M.Fr. consultation, from L. consultationem, from "consult," "to deliberate, consider," originally probably "to call together," as in "to gather the senate" (to ask for advice),
Slim Jim and co believe it means "We think this is good despite the overwhelming evidence, and everyone else's thoughts, so put up and shut up". The big worry for me is that apathy amongst the disenchanted majority might just see them get voted in again, and what a mess that could lead to. Imagine living with JA's ego then!nottoooldtocare

Call me old fashioned, but there was a time councillors would call at houses and seek thoughts and opinions of the electorate. Having done so they would try to address the wishes and fears etc. Sadly in these modern times, all too often Cllr's are only interested in their own profile and areas that are of specific interest or gain for them and their cronies. Slim Jim and his rag time band are particularly inept across most areas in my opinion, regardless of the political party they purport to represent. They have shown scant regard for the public, and wouldn't know how to spell consultation let alone do it. The dictionary suggests "consultation " early 15c., from M.Fr. consultation, from L. consultationem, from "consult," "to deliberate, consider," originally probably "to call together," as in "to gather the senate" (to ask for advice), Slim Jim and co believe it means "We think this is good despite the overwhelming evidence, and everyone else's thoughts, so put up and shut up". The big worry for me is that apathy amongst the disenchanted majority might just see them get voted in again, and what a mess that could lead to. Imagine living with JA's ego then!

Score: -25

jay, york says...8:14pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Marvell says "The York Labour Party are in disarray. There's so much in-fighting its unbelievable. Most of the back-benchers know that Calamity James has made their seats very precarious and the one's that speak out are getting axed." Totally agree. It is exactly what happens in private companies when they get taken over by a larger and more powerful concern/ regime. All the stalwarts - the people who have worked for many years to make the company/ organistation the success that it has been - are got rid of. Why? Because they are not "yes men/ women" and do not agree automatically with the new management/ consultants and will ask question their what is going on and what their new motifs are - and quite rightly too. It appears that the use of these new "experts"at york council at at a cost of hundreds of pounds a day to you and me - have simply been brought in by kersten england to ensure that this corrupt labour party in York can carry on in partnership with her to get their own way with no questions asked.

Marvell says "The York Labour Party are in disarray. There's so much in-fighting its unbelievable. Most of the back-benchers know that Calamity James has made their seats very precarious and the one's that speak out are getting axed."
Totally agree. It is exactly what happens in private companies when they get taken over by a larger and more powerful concern/ regime. All the stalwarts - the people who have worked for many years to make the company/ organistation the success that it has been - are got rid of. Why? Because they are not "yes men/ women" and do not agree automatically with the new management/ consultants and will ask question their what is going on and what their new motifs are - and quite rightly too.
It appears that the use of these new "experts"at york council at at a cost of hundreds of pounds a day to you and me - have simply been brought in by kersten england to ensure that this corrupt labour party in York can carry on in partnership with her to get their own way with no questions asked.jay, york

Marvell says "The York Labour Party are in disarray. There's so much in-fighting its unbelievable. Most of the back-benchers know that Calamity James has made their seats very precarious and the one's that speak out are getting axed." Totally agree. It is exactly what happens in private companies when they get taken over by a larger and more powerful concern/ regime. All the stalwarts - the people who have worked for many years to make the company/ organistation the success that it has been - are got rid of. Why? Because they are not "yes men/ women" and do not agree automatically with the new management/ consultants and will ask question their what is going on and what their new motifs are - and quite rightly too. It appears that the use of these new "experts"at york council at at a cost of hundreds of pounds a day to you and me - have simply been brought in by kersten england to ensure that this corrupt labour party in York can carry on in partnership with her to get their own way with no questions asked.

Score: -32

pedalling paul says...8:15pm Thu 3 Jul 14

I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction. Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote. Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.

I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction.
Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote.
Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.pedalling paul

I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction. Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote. Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.

Score: -32

Jack Ham says...8:28pm Thu 3 Jul 14

There is something rotten at the heart of York Labour. This won't be the last cull before the election. There is a rebellion brewing but at the moment uncertainty over whether it will succeed. There are just enough 'old' Labour to mount a challenge but everybody is afraid to speak out in case they are chopped next. There is a huge danger for Labour. The media savvy new candidates might be OK for social media and media releases but what happens when the real work kicks in. When residents need work doing or decisions have to be made that put local people over party ideology? JA is playing a high stakes game that could end up with either all or nothing for York Labour for the next generation.

There is something rotten at the heart of York Labour. This won't be the last cull before the election.
There is a rebellion brewing but at the moment uncertainty over whether it will succeed. There are just enough 'old' Labour to mount a challenge but everybody is afraid to speak out in case they are chopped next.
There is a huge danger for Labour. The media savvy new candidates might be OK for social media and media releases but what happens when the real work kicks in. When residents need work doing or decisions have to be made that put local people over party ideology?
JA is playing a high stakes game that could end up with either all or nothing for York Labour for the next generation.Jack Ham

There is something rotten at the heart of York Labour. This won't be the last cull before the election. There is a rebellion brewing but at the moment uncertainty over whether it will succeed. There are just enough 'old' Labour to mount a challenge but everybody is afraid to speak out in case they are chopped next. There is a huge danger for Labour. The media savvy new candidates might be OK for social media and media releases but what happens when the real work kicks in. When residents need work doing or decisions have to be made that put local people over party ideology? JA is playing a high stakes game that could end up with either all or nothing for York Labour for the next generation.

Score: -33

A.P.Feeders says...8:31pm Thu 3 Jul 14

oi oi savaloy wrote…

and alexander and his hench(wo)man continue their Röhm-Putsch...

Very funny statement savvy who is next for the chop?

[quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote:
and alexander and his hench(wo)man continue their Röhm-Putsch...[/p][/quote]Very funny statement savvy who is next for the chop?A.P.Feeders

oi oi savaloy wrote…

and alexander and his hench(wo)man continue their Röhm-Putsch...

Very funny statement savvy who is next for the chop?

Score: -37

jay, york says...8:31pm Thu 3 Jul 14

pedalling paul wrote…

I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction. Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote. Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.

What planet are you on pathetic paul??? this is about 3 labour councillers being axed. Why? beacuse they do not agree with and also question the new regime. labour council want in yes men and women - people they know will support them -no matter what - not the "old school" like you. Maybe that is why you spout so much drivel - trying to keep in with them. I saw you recently - I only noticed you because you looked like the most miserable person in this universe - then I realised it was you. Says it all really....

[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote:
I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction. Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote. Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.[/p][/quote]What planet are you on pathetic paul??? this is about 3 labour councillers being axed. Why? beacuse they do not agree with and also question the new regime. labour council want in yes men and women - people they know will support them -no matter what - not the "old school" like you.
Maybe that is why you spout so much drivel - trying to keep in with them.
I saw you recently - I only noticed you because you looked like the most miserable person in this universe - then I realised it was you. Says it all really....jay, york

pedalling paul wrote…

I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction. Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote. Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.

What planet are you on pathetic paul??? this is about 3 labour councillers being axed. Why? beacuse they do not agree with and also question the new regime. labour council want in yes men and women - people they know will support them -no matter what - not the "old school" like you. Maybe that is why you spout so much drivel - trying to keep in with them. I saw you recently - I only noticed you because you looked like the most miserable person in this universe - then I realised it was you. Says it all really....

Score: -20

jay, york says...8:34pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Jack Ham wrote…

There is something rotten at the heart of York Labour. This won't be the last cull before the election. There is a rebellion brewing but at the moment uncertainty over whether it will succeed. There are just enough 'old' Labour to mount a challenge but everybody is afraid to speak out in case they are chopped next. There is a huge danger for Labour. The media savvy new candidates might be OK for social media and media releases but what happens when the real work kicks in. When residents need work doing or decisions have to be made that put local people over party ideology? JA is playing a high stakes game that could end up with either all or nothing for York Labour for the next generation.

Lets hope its nothing then - its what they deserve!

[quote][p][bold]Jack Ham[/bold] wrote:
There is something rotten at the heart of York Labour. This won't be the last cull before the election. There is a rebellion brewing but at the moment uncertainty over whether it will succeed. There are just enough 'old' Labour to mount a challenge but everybody is afraid to speak out in case they are chopped next. There is a huge danger for Labour. The media savvy new candidates might be OK for social media and media releases but what happens when the real work kicks in. When residents need work doing or decisions have to be made that put local people over party ideology? JA is playing a high stakes game that could end up with either all or nothing for York Labour for the next generation.[/p][/quote]Lets hope its nothing then - its what they deserve!jay, york

Jack Ham wrote…

There is something rotten at the heart of York Labour. This won't be the last cull before the election. There is a rebellion brewing but at the moment uncertainty over whether it will succeed. There are just enough 'old' Labour to mount a challenge but everybody is afraid to speak out in case they are chopped next. There is a huge danger for Labour. The media savvy new candidates might be OK for social media and media releases but what happens when the real work kicks in. When residents need work doing or decisions have to be made that put local people over party ideology? JA is playing a high stakes game that could end up with either all or nothing for York Labour for the next generation.

Lets hope its nothing then - its what they deserve!

Score: -49

Y.I.P. says...8:46pm Thu 3 Jul 14

jay, york wrote…

pedalling paul wrote…

I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction. Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote. Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.

What planet are you on pathetic paul??? this is about 3 labour councillers being axed. Why? beacuse they do not agree with and also question the new regime. labour council want in yes men and women - people they know will support them -no matter what - not the "old school" like you. Maybe that is why you spout so much drivel - trying to keep in with them. I saw you recently - I only noticed you because you looked like the most miserable person in this universe - then I realised it was you. Says it all really....

Bit naughty that old bean and very unfair

[quote][p][bold]jay, york[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote:
I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction. Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote. Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.[/p][/quote]What planet are you on pathetic paul??? this is about 3 labour councillers being axed. Why? beacuse they do not agree with and also question the new regime. labour council want in yes men and women - people they know will support them -no matter what - not the "old school" like you.
Maybe that is why you spout so much drivel - trying to keep in with them.
I saw you recently - I only noticed you because you looked like the most miserable person in this universe - then I realised it was you. Says it all really....[/p][/quote]Bit naughty that old bean and very unfairY.I.P.

jay, york wrote…

pedalling paul wrote…

I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction. Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote. Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.

What planet are you on pathetic paul??? this is about 3 labour councillers being axed. Why? beacuse they do not agree with and also question the new regime. labour council want in yes men and women - people they know will support them -no matter what - not the "old school" like you. Maybe that is why you spout so much drivel - trying to keep in with them. I saw you recently - I only noticed you because you looked like the most miserable person in this universe - then I realised it was you. Says it all really....

Bit naughty that old bean and very unfair

Score: 34

piaggio1 says...9:07pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Understand your reasoning there.. Bit like rowntrees.? When they got took over(ie stabbed in the back), by a rather dubious swiss company. Bunch of n***s anyway.all the old boys seem to have bin moved sideways or left the firm.and brought in mostly yes men from uni.it do.s happen beleive me .

Understand your reasoning there..
Bit like rowntrees.?
When they got took over(ie stabbed in the back), by a rather dubious swiss company.
Bunch of n***s anyway.all the old boys seem to have bin moved sideways or left the firm.and brought in mostly yes men from uni.it do.s happen beleive me .piaggio1

Understand your reasoning there.. Bit like rowntrees.? When they got took over(ie stabbed in the back), by a rather dubious swiss company. Bunch of n***s anyway.all the old boys seem to have bin moved sideways or left the firm.and brought in mostly yes men from uni.it do.s happen beleive me .

Score: -58

piaggio1 says...9:11pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Expect to see a toady representing this ward. As in a yes man/woman. This is not the labour party i remember.liebour more like....

Expect to see a toady representing this ward.
As in a yes man/woman.
This is not the labour party i remember.liebour more like....piaggio1

Expect to see a toady representing this ward. As in a yes man/woman. This is not the labour party i remember.liebour more like....

Score: -45

JasBro says...9:46pm Thu 3 Jul 14

pedalling paul wrote…

I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction. Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote. Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.

You don't live in the area concerned, so your ignorance is understandable. But actually the reinstatement of the left hand filter lane at Clifton Green has made a huge and positive difference for all of us who live nearby. The queues of stationary traffic which used to tailback from Clifton Green, across the bridge, and all the way onto Boroughbridge Road, have now been reduced significantly. Congestion and pollution have decreased accordingly. The left hand lane is, as you say, often left empty, primarily because of the pointless remaining stub of a totally useless cycle lane. The policies that you support have resulted in more pollution for the same amount of traffic, and cycling numbers are stagnant.

[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote:
I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction.
Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote.
Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.[/p][/quote]You don't live in the area concerned, so your ignorance is understandable.
But actually the reinstatement of the left hand filter lane at Clifton Green has made a huge and positive difference for all of us who live nearby. The queues of stationary traffic which used to tailback from Clifton Green, across the bridge, and all the way onto Boroughbridge Road, have now been reduced significantly. Congestion and pollution have decreased accordingly.
The left hand lane is, as you say, often left empty, primarily because of the pointless remaining stub of a totally useless cycle lane.
The policies that you support have resulted in more pollution for the same amount of traffic, and cycling numbers are stagnant.JasBro

pedalling paul wrote…

I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction. Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote. Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.

You don't live in the area concerned, so your ignorance is understandable. But actually the reinstatement of the left hand filter lane at Clifton Green has made a huge and positive difference for all of us who live nearby. The queues of stationary traffic which used to tailback from Clifton Green, across the bridge, and all the way onto Boroughbridge Road, have now been reduced significantly. Congestion and pollution have decreased accordingly. The left hand lane is, as you say, often left empty, primarily because of the pointless remaining stub of a totally useless cycle lane. The policies that you support have resulted in more pollution for the same amount of traffic, and cycling numbers are stagnant.

Score: -29

emen says...9:48pm Thu 3 Jul 14

To me the real story here is the rotten state of local party politics. The fact that fewer than 20 people can decide who can or can't stand for election in two wards is pathetic and shows that local democracy in this country is fast disappearing because of involvement of political parties. I'm not a Labour voter but will admit that a few Labour councillors are honourable, hard working people who do a good job representing the people who trusted them with their vote. I sincerely hope that these three stand as independents. If they have done a good job representing their various wards then hopefully they will be rewarded and if they've done a poor job they'll be out on their ears. Party politics is strangling local democracy but until people start voting for the person rather than the party then we are destined to be deprived of having a true voice in local affairs.

To me the real story here is the rotten state of local party politics. The fact that fewer than 20 people can decide who can or can't stand for election in two wards is pathetic and shows that local democracy in this country is fast disappearing because of involvement of political parties.
I'm not a Labour voter but will admit that a few Labour councillors are honourable, hard working people who do a good job representing the people who trusted them with their vote.
I sincerely hope that these three stand as independents. If they have done a good job representing their various wards then hopefully they will be rewarded and if they've done a poor job they'll be out on their ears.
Party politics is strangling local democracy but until people start voting for the person rather than the party then we are destined to be deprived of having a true voice in local affairs.emen

To me the real story here is the rotten state of local party politics. The fact that fewer than 20 people can decide who can or can't stand for election in two wards is pathetic and shows that local democracy in this country is fast disappearing because of involvement of political parties. I'm not a Labour voter but will admit that a few Labour councillors are honourable, hard working people who do a good job representing the people who trusted them with their vote. I sincerely hope that these three stand as independents. If they have done a good job representing their various wards then hopefully they will be rewarded and if they've done a poor job they'll be out on their ears. Party politics is strangling local democracy but until people start voting for the person rather than the party then we are destined to be deprived of having a true voice in local affairs.

Score: -16

Silver says...10:07pm Thu 3 Jul 14

emen wrote…

To me the real story here is the rotten state of local party politics. The fact that fewer than 20 people can decide who can or can't stand for election in two wards is pathetic and shows that local democracy in this country is fast disappearing because of involvement of political parties. I'm not a Labour voter but will admit that a few Labour councillors are honourable, hard working people who do a good job representing the people who trusted them with their vote. I sincerely hope that these three stand as independents. If they have done a good job representing their various wards then hopefully they will be rewarded and if they've done a poor job they'll be out on their ears. Party politics is strangling local democracy but until people start voting for the person rather than the party then we are destined to be deprived of having a true voice in local affairs.

The fact that 20 people can decide....well 7 people apparently can decide on 20 mph zones against the majority and win. York's labour party has made me miss the lib dems so much. This comes from a labour voter, sorry I made a bad vote.

[quote][p][bold]emen[/bold] wrote:
To me the real story here is the rotten state of local party politics. The fact that fewer than 20 people can decide who can or can't stand for election in two wards is pathetic and shows that local democracy in this country is fast disappearing because of involvement of political parties.
I'm not a Labour voter but will admit that a few Labour councillors are honourable, hard working people who do a good job representing the people who trusted them with their vote.
I sincerely hope that these three stand as independents. If they have done a good job representing their various wards then hopefully they will be rewarded and if they've done a poor job they'll be out on their ears.
Party politics is strangling local democracy but until people start voting for the person rather than the party then we are destined to be deprived of having a true voice in local affairs.[/p][/quote]The fact that 20 people can decide....well 7 people apparently can decide on 20 mph zones against the majority and win.
York's labour party has made me miss the lib dems so much.
This comes from a labour voter, sorry I made a bad vote.Silver

emen wrote…

To me the real story here is the rotten state of local party politics. The fact that fewer than 20 people can decide who can or can't stand for election in two wards is pathetic and shows that local democracy in this country is fast disappearing because of involvement of political parties. I'm not a Labour voter but will admit that a few Labour councillors are honourable, hard working people who do a good job representing the people who trusted them with their vote. I sincerely hope that these three stand as independents. If they have done a good job representing their various wards then hopefully they will be rewarded and if they've done a poor job they'll be out on their ears. Party politics is strangling local democracy but until people start voting for the person rather than the party then we are destined to be deprived of having a true voice in local affairs.

The fact that 20 people can decide....well 7 people apparently can decide on 20 mph zones against the majority and win. York's labour party has made me miss the lib dems so much. This comes from a labour voter, sorry I made a bad vote.

Score: -21

jay, york says...10:17pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Y.I.P. wrote…

jay, york wrote…

pedalling paul wrote…

I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction. Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote. Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.

What planet are you on pathetic paul??? this is about 3 labour councillers being axed. Why? beacuse they do not agree with and also question the new regime. labour council want in yes men and women - people they know will support them -no matter what - not the "old school" like you. Maybe that is why you spout so much drivel - trying to keep in with them. I saw you recently - I only noticed you because you looked like the most miserable person in this universe - then I realised it was you. Says it all really....

Bit naughty that old bean and very unfair

I am not a bean, I am not naughty and I am not unfair. I just say what I see and observe.

[quote][p][bold]Y.I.P.[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]jay, york[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction. Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote. Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.[/p][/quote]What planet are you on pathetic paul??? this is about 3 labour councillers being axed. Why? beacuse they do not agree with and also question the new regime. labour council want in yes men and women - people they know will support them -no matter what - not the "old school" like you. Maybe that is why you spout so much drivel - trying to keep in with them. I saw you recently - I only noticed you because you looked like the most miserable person in this universe - then I realised it was you. Says it all really....[/p][/quote]Bit naughty that old bean and very unfair[/p][/quote]I am not a bean, I am not naughty and I am not unfair. I just say what I see and observe.jay, york

Y.I.P. wrote…

jay, york wrote…

pedalling paul wrote…

I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction. Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote. Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.

What planet are you on pathetic paul??? this is about 3 labour councillers being axed. Why? beacuse they do not agree with and also question the new regime. labour council want in yes men and women - people they know will support them -no matter what - not the "old school" like you. Maybe that is why you spout so much drivel - trying to keep in with them. I saw you recently - I only noticed you because you looked like the most miserable person in this universe - then I realised it was you. Says it all really....

Bit naughty that old bean and very unfair

I am not a bean, I am not naughty and I am not unfair. I just say what I see and observe.

Score: -34

Dr Brian says...10:25pm Thu 3 Jul 14

I wish these 3 councillors well in their search for a new ward. But if their own people won't choose them why do they expect to be selected by another ward. These three could do the residents of the city a great service, resign the party whip vote with the other parties in the city and get Alexander and the totally useless Labour council out before next May. Cmon Cllrs put York first and your party politics / loyalties second.

I wish these 3 councillors well in their search for a new ward. But if their own people won't choose them why do they expect to be selected by another ward. These three could do the residents of the city a great service, resign the party whip vote with the other parties in the city and get Alexander and the totally useless Labour council out before next May.
Cmon Cllrs put York first and your party politics / loyalties second.Dr Brian

I wish these 3 councillors well in their search for a new ward. But if their own people won't choose them why do they expect to be selected by another ward. These three could do the residents of the city a great service, resign the party whip vote with the other parties in the city and get Alexander and the totally useless Labour council out before next May. Cmon Cllrs put York first and your party politics / loyalties second.

Score: -25

eeoodares says...10:30pm Thu 3 Jul 14

pedalling paul wrote…

I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction. Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote. Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.

Face facts kid, your time is running out. Come the election your drivel will assist in you and your colleagues being removed from power for a generation. No matter what other aliases you type from, people recognise you and you will be reminded of all the abuses of power from liebour! In the mean time, please do not destroy my City for your vanity!

[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote:
I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction.
Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote.
Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.[/p][/quote]Face facts kid, your time is running out. Come the election your drivel will assist in you and your colleagues being removed from power for a generation.
No matter what other aliases you type from, people recognise you and you will be reminded of all the abuses of power from liebour!
In the mean time, please do not destroy my City for your vanity!eeoodares

pedalling paul wrote…

I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction. Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote. Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.

Face facts kid, your time is running out. Come the election your drivel will assist in you and your colleagues being removed from power for a generation. No matter what other aliases you type from, people recognise you and you will be reminded of all the abuses of power from liebour! In the mean time, please do not destroy my City for your vanity!

Score: -25

Knavesmire view says...11:10pm Thu 3 Jul 14

I see the prospective new Labour candidate for Clifton has been at the score hacking tonight!

I see the prospective new Labour candidate for Clifton has been at the score hacking tonight!Knavesmire view

I see the prospective new Labour candidate for Clifton has been at the score hacking tonight!

Score: -26

Stevie D says...12:08am Fri 4 Jul 14

I've not had many dealings with Cllrs Scott and King so I can't comment, but Cllr Douglas has always struck me as decent, honourable, well-meaning and competent (you might well ask what she is doing in York Labour party with all that going for her!), so it seems a great shame that she has been de-selected by the local branch – and suggests that there could be something underhand going on. Maybe she has been too focused on serving the people of York and not playing party politics...

I've not had many dealings with Cllrs Scott and King so I can't comment, but Cllr Douglas has always struck me as decent, honourable, well-meaning and competent (you might well ask what she is doing in York Labour party with all that going for her!), so it seems a great shame that she has been de-selected by the local branch – and suggests that there could be something underhand going on. Maybe she has been too focused on serving the people of York and not playing party politics...Stevie D

I've not had many dealings with Cllrs Scott and King so I can't comment, but Cllr Douglas has always struck me as decent, honourable, well-meaning and competent (you might well ask what she is doing in York Labour party with all that going for her!), so it seems a great shame that she has been de-selected by the local branch – and suggests that there could be something underhand going on. Maybe she has been too focused on serving the people of York and not playing party politics...

Score: -18

AnotherPointofView says...12:14am Fri 4 Jul 14

Clearly the wrong three councillors were axed. If the three really care about York then please stand as independent councillors. York really needs councillors who really care about York and not those just tow the party line.

Clearly the wrong three councillors were axed.
If the three really care about York then please stand as independent councillors. York really needs councillors who really care about York and not those just tow the party line.AnotherPointofView

Clearly the wrong three councillors were axed. If the three really care about York then please stand as independent councillors. York really needs councillors who really care about York and not those just tow the party line.

Score: -24

eeoodares says...12:17am Fri 4 Jul 14

If York Press can not control the Labour vote bug, it would appear that nobody can control Labour corruption! Or is the IT department a socialist domain????

If York Press can not control the Labour vote bug, it would appear that nobody can control Labour corruption!
Or is the IT department a socialist domain????eeoodares

If York Press can not control the Labour vote bug, it would appear that nobody can control Labour corruption! Or is the IT department a socialist domain????

Score: -28

holyroller says...1:37am Fri 4 Jul 14

pedalling paul wrote…

I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction. Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote. Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.

JasBro is absolutely correct, speaking as a local resident, cyclist, driver and pedestrian... the re-instatement of the left hand filter has indeed dramatically cut waiting times and tailbacks over water lane. This would be improved still further by removing the pointless artificial stub of a cycle lane end which, as you admit yourself, drops cyclists into traffic. Imagine closing that left hand lane and Lendal bridge at the same time. Leeman Rd would be under permanent smog. A city cannot be run on cycles alone without huge structural change. I'm all for the change, but you must make the alternatives viable before forcing the only practical means for many to go about their business off the roads. It's SME's which make the city viable, but they seem the most under represented in decision making.

[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote:
I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction.
Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote.
Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.[/p][/quote]JasBro is absolutely correct, speaking as a local resident, cyclist, driver and pedestrian... the re-instatement of the left hand filter has indeed dramatically cut waiting times and tailbacks over water lane.
This would be improved still further by removing the pointless artificial stub of a cycle lane end which, as you admit yourself, drops cyclists into traffic.
Imagine closing that left hand lane and Lendal bridge at the same time. Leeman Rd would be under permanent smog.
A city cannot be run on cycles alone without huge structural change. I'm all for the change, but you must make the alternatives viable before forcing the only practical means for many to go about their business off the roads.
It's SME's which make the city viable, but they seem the most under represented in decision making.holyroller

pedalling paul wrote…

I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction. Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote. Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.

JasBro is absolutely correct, speaking as a local resident, cyclist, driver and pedestrian... the re-instatement of the left hand filter has indeed dramatically cut waiting times and tailbacks over water lane. This would be improved still further by removing the pointless artificial stub of a cycle lane end which, as you admit yourself, drops cyclists into traffic. Imagine closing that left hand lane and Lendal bridge at the same time. Leeman Rd would be under permanent smog. A city cannot be run on cycles alone without huge structural change. I'm all for the change, but you must make the alternatives viable before forcing the only practical means for many to go about their business off the roads. It's SME's which make the city viable, but they seem the most under represented in decision making.

Score: -31

pedalling paul says...7:03am Fri 4 Jul 14

eeoodares wrote…

pedalling paul wrote…

I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction. Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote. Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.

Face facts kid, your time is running out. Come the election your drivel will assist in you and your colleagues being removed from power for a generation. No matter what other aliases you type from, people recognise you and you will be reminded of all the abuses of power from liebour! In the mean time, please do not destroy my City for your vanity!

I must still be a Labour Councillor then, and according to Jasbro I don't live in the area. But it doesn't matter who I am or are not, and where I live. Simple fact is that no politician can create an urban car commuter's paradise. That remains the case, whether or not an election is looming. I must confess my surprise about the three latest non-selections. Are there perhaps more to follow?

[quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote:
I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction.
Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote.
Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.[/p][/quote]Face facts kid, your time is running out. Come the election your drivel will assist in you and your colleagues being removed from power for a generation.
No matter what other aliases you type from, people recognise you and you will be reminded of all the abuses of power from liebour!
In the mean time, please do not destroy my City for your vanity![/p][/quote]I must still be a Labour Councillor then, and according to Jasbro I don't live in the area. But it doesn't matter who I am or are not, and where I live. Simple fact is that no politician can create an urban car commuter's paradise. That remains the case, whether or not an election is looming.
I must confess my surprise about the three latest non-selections. Are there perhaps more to follow?pedalling paul

eeoodares wrote…

pedalling paul wrote…

I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction. Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote. Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.

Face facts kid, your time is running out. Come the election your drivel will assist in you and your colleagues being removed from power for a generation. No matter what other aliases you type from, people recognise you and you will be reminded of all the abuses of power from liebour! In the mean time, please do not destroy my City for your vanity!

I must still be a Labour Councillor then, and according to Jasbro I don't live in the area. But it doesn't matter who I am or are not, and where I live. Simple fact is that no politician can create an urban car commuter's paradise. That remains the case, whether or not an election is looming. I must confess my surprise about the three latest non-selections. Are there perhaps more to follow?

Score: 8

piaggio1 says...7:32am Fri 4 Jul 14

See the hacker is back from their holidays.

See the hacker is back from their holidays.piaggio1

See the hacker is back from their holidays.

Score: -28

anistasia says...7:55am Fri 4 Jul 14

Are labour culling the ones not towing the party line wanting some new blood in the party .hopefully giving the chance for changes and keeping them in local government after next local elections.well too little too late.you've upset so many people it's gonna take a lot to be trusted only 2015 will tell us if your plan worked or not.

Are labour culling the ones not towing the party line wanting some new blood in the party .hopefully giving the chance for changes and keeping them in local government after next local elections.well too little too late.you've upset so many people it's gonna take a lot to be trusted only 2015 will tell us if your plan worked or not.anistasia

Are labour culling the ones not towing the party line wanting some new blood in the party .hopefully giving the chance for changes and keeping them in local government after next local elections.well too little too late.you've upset so many people it's gonna take a lot to be trusted only 2015 will tell us if your plan worked or not.

Score: -20

krites says...8:19am Fri 4 Jul 14

"The three were on a shortlist of possible candidates but lost out in a secret ballot on Tuesday, which the Press understands saw fewer than 20 members of the Clifton branch vote in two new candidates." So in effect those 20 people decide who the next councillors for Clifton Ward should be?

"The three were on a shortlist of possible candidates but lost out in a secret ballot on Tuesday, which the Press understands saw fewer than 20 members of the Clifton branch vote in two new candidates."
So in effect those 20 people decide who the next councillors for Clifton Ward should be?krites

"The three were on a shortlist of possible candidates but lost out in a secret ballot on Tuesday, which the Press understands saw fewer than 20 members of the Clifton branch vote in two new candidates." So in effect those 20 people decide who the next councillors for Clifton Ward should be?

Score: -23

julia brica says...8:37am Fri 4 Jul 14

Lets just for a moment say that James and his new chums he is going to parachute in to fill the voids, who are sure to be ex uni and who have never worked a proper job in their lives. (same as James) do actually manage "Due to the apathy of the local voters" Get voted in and James and his cabal stay in charge of York. Well if you think they are a shilling short of a pound now, well we have seen nothing yet. Remember the madness of Derek Hatton in Liverpool ? The shambles that is Brighton and Hove and I could go on. Well all of that lunacy could be on its way here if the electorate don't sit up and take notice. So if there is to be a York Independence Party isn't it time you showed your colours.

Lets just for a moment say that James and his new chums he is going to parachute in to fill the voids, who are sure to be ex uni and who have never worked a proper job in their lives. (same as James) do actually manage "Due to the apathy of the local voters" Get voted in and James and his cabal stay in charge of York.
Well if you think they are a shilling short of a pound now, well we have seen nothing yet. Remember the madness of Derek Hatton in Liverpool ?
The shambles that is Brighton and Hove and I could go on.
Well all of that lunacy could be on its way here if the electorate don't sit up and take notice. So if there is to be a York Independence Party isn't it time you showed your colours.julia brica

Lets just for a moment say that James and his new chums he is going to parachute in to fill the voids, who are sure to be ex uni and who have never worked a proper job in their lives. (same as James) do actually manage "Due to the apathy of the local voters" Get voted in and James and his cabal stay in charge of York. Well if you think they are a shilling short of a pound now, well we have seen nothing yet. Remember the madness of Derek Hatton in Liverpool ? The shambles that is Brighton and Hove and I could go on. Well all of that lunacy could be on its way here if the electorate don't sit up and take notice. So if there is to be a York Independence Party isn't it time you showed your colours.

Score: -20

LibDem says...8:54am Fri 4 Jul 14

Only one real surprise with this announcement. Cllr Douglas lives in the ward and has a good record of working for the local community. Cllr Scott lives in Fishergate and Cllr King in Acomb. Both reside approx. 2 miles from the area that they represent. If this signals that Labour will be selecting local candidates, who live in the wards that they seek to represent, in future then it is a step in the right direction. Absentee Councillors have been a disaster for wards like Acomb, Westfield and Dringhouses over the last few years. If, however, it is - as has been suggested - an attempt to impose inexperienced "cloned" career politicians on an unsuspecting electorate then democratic accountability is undermined.

Only one real surprise with this announcement. Cllr Douglas lives in the ward and has a good record of working for the local community.
Cllr Scott lives in Fishergate and Cllr King in Acomb. Both reside approx. 2 miles from the area that they represent.
If this signals that Labour will be selecting local candidates, who live in the wards that they seek to represent, in future then it is a step in the right direction. Absentee Councillors have been a disaster for wards like Acomb, Westfield and Dringhouses over the last few years.
If, however, it is - as has been suggested - an attempt to impose inexperienced "cloned" career politicians on an unsuspecting electorate then democratic accountability is undermined.LibDem

Only one real surprise with this announcement. Cllr Douglas lives in the ward and has a good record of working for the local community. Cllr Scott lives in Fishergate and Cllr King in Acomb. Both reside approx. 2 miles from the area that they represent. If this signals that Labour will be selecting local candidates, who live in the wards that they seek to represent, in future then it is a step in the right direction. Absentee Councillors have been a disaster for wards like Acomb, Westfield and Dringhouses over the last few years. If, however, it is - as has been suggested - an attempt to impose inexperienced "cloned" career politicians on an unsuspecting electorate then democratic accountability is undermined.

Score: -17

Yorkie41 says...9:07am Fri 4 Jul 14

I have known Councillor Ken King for most of his Political career and worked with him at Royal Mail, I have always found him to be hard working and dedicated to whatever task he has been faced with. You would have to go a long way to find a fairer man, and in my opinion after all the hard work that Councillor King has put in for the City of york and it's constituent's I feel the Labour Party in York should be ashamed of themselves. Before any one thinks that I am one of his fellow Councillors you are wrong, I am just another Old timer from York who loves this wonderful city of York. If the Labour Party do not reconsider what they have just done Please Ken stand as an Independent.

I have known Councillor Ken King for most of his Political career and worked with him at Royal Mail, I have always found him to be hard working and dedicated to whatever task he has been faced with. You would have to go a long way to find a fairer man, and in my opinion after all the hard work that Councillor King has put in for the City of york and it's constituent's I feel the Labour Party in York should be ashamed of themselves. Before any one thinks that I am one of his fellow Councillors you are wrong, I am just another Old timer from York who loves this wonderful city of York. If the Labour Party do not reconsider what they have just done Please Ken stand as an Independent.Yorkie41

I have known Councillor Ken King for most of his Political career and worked with him at Royal Mail, I have always found him to be hard working and dedicated to whatever task he has been faced with. You would have to go a long way to find a fairer man, and in my opinion after all the hard work that Councillor King has put in for the City of york and it's constituent's I feel the Labour Party in York should be ashamed of themselves. Before any one thinks that I am one of his fellow Councillors you are wrong, I am just another Old timer from York who loves this wonderful city of York. If the Labour Party do not reconsider what they have just done Please Ken stand as an Independent.

Score: 4

Platform3 says...9:07am Fri 4 Jul 14

krites wrote…

"The three were on a shortlist of possible candidates but lost out in a secret ballot on Tuesday, which the Press understands saw fewer than 20 members of the Clifton branch vote in two new candidates." So in effect those 20 people decide who the next councillors for Clifton Ward should be?

A suggestion for the city council to raise some money - sue the makers of Tellytubbys for plagiarism. It's clear the programme makers have based their children's show on the city council. Despite his weight loss there's no disguising James Alexander has the same intellectual capacity as Tinky Winky andTracey Simpson-Laing is the role model for LaLa. And all the time we have the giggling, smiling but ineffective Kersten England looking down on them all just like the sun does in the BBC programme. And in an attempt to introduce more Tellytubby councillors the Labour party is de-selecting people like the experienced, pragmatic Ken King and replacing them with JA / TLS clones (or is it clowns). The lesson therefore is that if you want to live in Tellytubby land vote Labour next May (I know Pedalling Paul will because there are no cars there. Mind you there are no bikes either so maybe it won't be such a bad thing!!!!).

[quote][p][bold]krites[/bold] wrote:
"The three were on a shortlist of possible candidates but lost out in a secret ballot on Tuesday, which the Press understands saw fewer than 20 members of the Clifton branch vote in two new candidates."
So in effect those 20 people decide who the next councillors for Clifton Ward should be?[/p][/quote]A suggestion for the city council to raise some money - sue the makers of Tellytubbys for plagiarism. It's clear the programme makers have based their children's show on the city council. Despite his weight loss there's no disguising James Alexander has the same intellectual capacity as Tinky Winky andTracey Simpson-Laing is the role model for LaLa. And all the time we have the giggling, smiling but ineffective Kersten England looking down on them all just like the sun does in the BBC programme.
And in an attempt to introduce more Tellytubby councillors the Labour party is de-selecting people like the experienced, pragmatic Ken King and replacing them with JA / TLS clones (or is it clowns).
The lesson therefore is that if you want to live in Tellytubby land vote Labour next May (I know Pedalling Paul will because there are no cars there. Mind you there are no bikes either so maybe it won't be such a bad thing!!!!).Platform3

krites wrote…

"The three were on a shortlist of possible candidates but lost out in a secret ballot on Tuesday, which the Press understands saw fewer than 20 members of the Clifton branch vote in two new candidates." So in effect those 20 people decide who the next councillors for Clifton Ward should be?

A suggestion for the city council to raise some money - sue the makers of Tellytubbys for plagiarism. It's clear the programme makers have based their children's show on the city council. Despite his weight loss there's no disguising James Alexander has the same intellectual capacity as Tinky Winky andTracey Simpson-Laing is the role model for LaLa. And all the time we have the giggling, smiling but ineffective Kersten England looking down on them all just like the sun does in the BBC programme. And in an attempt to introduce more Tellytubby councillors the Labour party is de-selecting people like the experienced, pragmatic Ken King and replacing them with JA / TLS clones (or is it clowns). The lesson therefore is that if you want to live in Tellytubby land vote Labour next May (I know Pedalling Paul will because there are no cars there. Mind you there are no bikes either so maybe it won't be such a bad thing!!!!).

Score: -16

Platform3 says...9:16am Fri 4 Jul 14

A suggestion to the city council for raising more money - sue the makers of Tellytubbys for plagiarism. It's quite clear the programme makers have based their children's story on the city council. Despite his weight loss there is no disguising James Alexander is the real Tinky Winky (if nothing else they have matching intellects) and Tracey Simpson-Laing evidences the same reasoning processes as LaLa. We even have the giggling, smiling but useless Kersten England doubling up as the sun. But programmes occasionally need to introduce new characters. So JA/TLS productions have decided to get rid of the popular players and replace this will morphs of themselves. If you want to live in Tellytubby land then vote Labour next May (I'm sure Pedalling Paul will as there are no cars there! However, there are no bikes either so it may not be such a bad option after all!!!)

A suggestion to the city council for raising more money - sue the makers of Tellytubbys for plagiarism. It's quite clear the programme makers have based their children's story on the city council. Despite his weight loss there is no disguising James Alexander is the real Tinky Winky (if nothing else they have matching intellects) and Tracey Simpson-Laing evidences the same reasoning processes as LaLa. We even have the giggling, smiling but useless Kersten England doubling up as the sun.
But programmes occasionally need to introduce new characters. So JA/TLS productions have decided to get rid of the popular players and replace this will morphs of themselves.
If you want to live in Tellytubby land then vote Labour next May (I'm sure Pedalling Paul will as there are no cars there! However, there are no bikes either so it may not be such a bad option after all!!!)Platform3

A suggestion to the city council for raising more money - sue the makers of Tellytubbys for plagiarism. It's quite clear the programme makers have based their children's story on the city council. Despite his weight loss there is no disguising James Alexander is the real Tinky Winky (if nothing else they have matching intellects) and Tracey Simpson-Laing evidences the same reasoning processes as LaLa. We even have the giggling, smiling but useless Kersten England doubling up as the sun. But programmes occasionally need to introduce new characters. So JA/TLS productions have decided to get rid of the popular players and replace this will morphs of themselves. If you want to live in Tellytubby land then vote Labour next May (I'm sure Pedalling Paul will as there are no cars there! However, there are no bikes either so it may not be such a bad option after all!!!)

Score: -23

JasBro says...9:20am Fri 4 Jul 14

pedalling paul wrote…

eeoodares wrote…

pedalling paul wrote…

I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction. Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote. Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.

Face facts kid, your time is running out. Come the election your drivel will assist in you and your colleagues being removed from power for a generation. No matter what other aliases you type from, people recognise you and you will be reminded of all the abuses of power from liebour! In the mean time, please do not destroy my City for your vanity!

I must still be a Labour Councillor then, and according to Jasbro I don't live in the area. But it doesn't matter who I am or are not, and where I live. Simple fact is that no politician can create an urban car commuter's paradise. That remains the case, whether or not an election is looming. I must confess my surprise about the three latest non-selections. Are there perhaps more to follow?

It's got nothing to do with a car user's paradise, and everything to do with the pedestrian nightmare you're trying to create.. You have consistently supported policies that have created congestion and pollution where I live. Thankfully you haven't always got your way or the number of deaths from air pollution would be even higher.

[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote:
I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction.
Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote.
Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.[/p][/quote]Face facts kid, your time is running out. Come the election your drivel will assist in you and your colleagues being removed from power for a generation.
No matter what other aliases you type from, people recognise you and you will be reminded of all the abuses of power from liebour!
In the mean time, please do not destroy my City for your vanity![/p][/quote]I must still be a Labour Councillor then, and according to Jasbro I don't live in the area. But it doesn't matter who I am or are not, and where I live. Simple fact is that no politician can create an urban car commuter's paradise. That remains the case, whether or not an election is looming.
I must confess my surprise about the three latest non-selections. Are there perhaps more to follow?[/p][/quote]It's got nothing to do with a car user's paradise, and everything to do with the pedestrian nightmare you're trying to create..
You have consistently supported policies that have created congestion and pollution where I live. Thankfully you haven't always got your way or the number of deaths from air pollution would be even higher.JasBro

pedalling paul wrote…

eeoodares wrote…

pedalling paul wrote…

I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction. Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote. Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.

Face facts kid, your time is running out. Come the election your drivel will assist in you and your colleagues being removed from power for a generation. No matter what other aliases you type from, people recognise you and you will be reminded of all the abuses of power from liebour! In the mean time, please do not destroy my City for your vanity!

I must still be a Labour Councillor then, and according to Jasbro I don't live in the area. But it doesn't matter who I am or are not, and where I live. Simple fact is that no politician can create an urban car commuter's paradise. That remains the case, whether or not an election is looming. I must confess my surprise about the three latest non-selections. Are there perhaps more to follow?

It's got nothing to do with a car user's paradise, and everything to do with the pedestrian nightmare you're trying to create.. You have consistently supported policies that have created congestion and pollution where I live. Thankfully you haven't always got your way or the number of deaths from air pollution would be even higher.

Score: -15

AGuyFromStrensall says...9:34am Fri 4 Jul 14

JasBro wrote…

pedalling paul wrote…

eeoodares wrote…

pedalling paul wrote…

I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction. Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote. Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.

Face facts kid, your time is running out. Come the election your drivel will assist in you and your colleagues being removed from power for a generation. No matter what other aliases you type from, people recognise you and you will be reminded of all the abuses of power from liebour! In the mean time, please do not destroy my City for your vanity!

I must still be a Labour Councillor then, and according to Jasbro I don't live in the area. But it doesn't matter who I am or are not, and where I live. Simple fact is that no politician can create an urban car commuter's paradise. That remains the case, whether or not an election is looming. I must confess my surprise about the three latest non-selections. Are there perhaps more to follow?

It's got nothing to do with a car user's paradise, and everything to do with the pedestrian nightmare you're trying to create.. You have consistently supported policies that have created congestion and pollution where I live. Thankfully you haven't always got your way or the number of deaths from air pollution would be even higher.

Didn't we agree in a secret meeting that the new name was Paul's Lycra paradise. It's got a nice (but scary) ring to it...

[quote][p][bold]JasBro[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote:
I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction.
Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote.
Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.[/p][/quote]Face facts kid, your time is running out. Come the election your drivel will assist in you and your colleagues being removed from power for a generation.
No matter what other aliases you type from, people recognise you and you will be reminded of all the abuses of power from liebour!
In the mean time, please do not destroy my City for your vanity![/p][/quote]I must still be a Labour Councillor then, and according to Jasbro I don't live in the area. But it doesn't matter who I am or are not, and where I live. Simple fact is that no politician can create an urban car commuter's paradise. That remains the case, whether or not an election is looming.
I must confess my surprise about the three latest non-selections. Are there perhaps more to follow?[/p][/quote]It's got nothing to do with a car user's paradise, and everything to do with the pedestrian nightmare you're trying to create..
You have consistently supported policies that have created congestion and pollution where I live. Thankfully you haven't always got your way or the number of deaths from air pollution would be even higher.[/p][/quote]Didn't we agree in a secret meeting that the new name was Paul's Lycra paradise. It's got a nice (but scary) ring to it...AGuyFromStrensall

JasBro wrote…

pedalling paul wrote…

eeoodares wrote…

pedalling paul wrote…

I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction. Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote. Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.

Face facts kid, your time is running out. Come the election your drivel will assist in you and your colleagues being removed from power for a generation. No matter what other aliases you type from, people recognise you and you will be reminded of all the abuses of power from liebour! In the mean time, please do not destroy my City for your vanity!

I must still be a Labour Councillor then, and according to Jasbro I don't live in the area. But it doesn't matter who I am or are not, and where I live. Simple fact is that no politician can create an urban car commuter's paradise. That remains the case, whether or not an election is looming. I must confess my surprise about the three latest non-selections. Are there perhaps more to follow?

It's got nothing to do with a car user's paradise, and everything to do with the pedestrian nightmare you're trying to create.. You have consistently supported policies that have created congestion and pollution where I live. Thankfully you haven't always got your way or the number of deaths from air pollution would be even higher.

Didn't we agree in a secret meeting that the new name was Paul's Lycra paradise. It's got a nice (but scary) ring to it...

Score: -18

Badgers Drift says...9:44am Fri 4 Jul 14

anistasia wrote…

Are labour culling the ones not towing the party line wanting some new blood in the party .hopefully giving the chance for changes and keeping them in local government after next local elections.well too little too late.you've upset so many people it's gonna take a lot to be trusted only 2015 will tell us if your plan worked or not.

[quote][p][bold]anistasia[/bold] wrote:
Are labour culling the ones not towing the party line wanting some new blood in the party .hopefully giving the chance for changes and keeping them in local government after next local elections.well too little too late.you've upset so many people it's gonna take a lot to be trusted only 2015 will tell us if your plan worked or not.[/p][/quote]Fatal mistake - kicking the wrong ones out!!
Alexander, Simpson-Laing, Merrett, Crisp, plus JA's uni mates should all resign, to allow the decent Labour councillors to stand a chance of keeping a few seats.Badgers Drift

anistasia wrote…

Are labour culling the ones not towing the party line wanting some new blood in the party .hopefully giving the chance for changes and keeping them in local government after next local elections.well too little too late.you've upset so many people it's gonna take a lot to be trusted only 2015 will tell us if your plan worked or not.

I never cease to be amazed by the range of reasons given by some commentators, as to why they should travel by car for every journey. No, its not about banning car use, but about making an intelligent choice for each journey, based on need rather than on want. Those who follow this wise counsel will use a mix of travel options, including car sharing , which will help create more capacity for those who genuinely need to use a motor vehicle. It will also help public transport to become more competitive. The Clifton Councillors who locally stirred up the Water End issue initated a politically motivated move by JA to undo the previous Govt. funded cycle scheme. I'm sure that this has nothing to do with their present deselection. But no amount of tame lap dog selection will alter my previously stated fact. No Local Authority on the planet can cater for increasing car use ad infinitum. Even the once oil rich Arabs are starting to build urban metro systems...........

I never cease to be amazed by the range of reasons given by some commentators, as to why they should travel by car for every journey. No, its not about banning car use, but about making an intelligent choice for each journey, based on need rather than on want.
Those who follow this wise counsel will use a mix of travel options, including car sharing , which will help create more capacity for those who genuinely need to use a motor vehicle. It will also help public transport to become more competitive.
The Clifton Councillors who locally stirred up the Water End issue initated a politically motivated move by JA to undo the previous Govt. funded cycle scheme. I'm sure that this has nothing to do with their present deselection. But no amount of tame lap dog selection will alter my previously stated fact. No Local Authority on the planet can cater for increasing car use ad infinitum. Even the once oil rich Arabs are starting to build urban metro systems...........pedalling paul

I never cease to be amazed by the range of reasons given by some commentators, as to why they should travel by car for every journey. No, its not about banning car use, but about making an intelligent choice for each journey, based on need rather than on want. Those who follow this wise counsel will use a mix of travel options, including car sharing , which will help create more capacity for those who genuinely need to use a motor vehicle. It will also help public transport to become more competitive. The Clifton Councillors who locally stirred up the Water End issue initated a politically motivated move by JA to undo the previous Govt. funded cycle scheme. I'm sure that this has nothing to do with their present deselection. But no amount of tame lap dog selection will alter my previously stated fact. No Local Authority on the planet can cater for increasing car use ad infinitum. Even the once oil rich Arabs are starting to build urban metro systems...........

Score: -47

AGuyFromStrensall says...10:00am Fri 4 Jul 14

pedalling paul wrote…

I never cease to be amazed by the range of reasons given by some commentators, as to why they should travel by car for every journey. No, its not about banning car use, but about making an intelligent choice for each journey, based on need rather than on want. Those who follow this wise counsel will use a mix of travel options, including car sharing , which will help create more capacity for those who genuinely need to use a motor vehicle. It will also help public transport to become more competitive. The Clifton Councillors who locally stirred up the Water End issue initated a politically motivated move by JA to undo the previous Govt. funded cycle scheme. I'm sure that this has nothing to do with their present deselection. But no amount of tame lap dog selection will alter my previously stated fact. No Local Authority on the planet can cater for increasing car use ad infinitum. Even the once oil rich Arabs are starting to build urban metro systems...........

"making an intelligent choice for each journey, based on need rather than on want" So the fact that many people work in places no one else is going at times that they are not going there, and is too far to bike, means that the car makes sense for those journeys? My goodness ladies and gents I think Paul can't be feeling too good, he seems to be slipping...

[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote:
I never cease to be amazed by the range of reasons given by some commentators, as to why they should travel by car for every journey. No, its not about banning car use, but about making an intelligent choice for each journey, based on need rather than on want.
Those who follow this wise counsel will use a mix of travel options, including car sharing , which will help create more capacity for those who genuinely need to use a motor vehicle. It will also help public transport to become more competitive.
The Clifton Councillors who locally stirred up the Water End issue initated a politically motivated move by JA to undo the previous Govt. funded cycle scheme. I'm sure that this has nothing to do with their present deselection. But no amount of tame lap dog selection will alter my previously stated fact. No Local Authority on the planet can cater for increasing car use ad infinitum. Even the once oil rich Arabs are starting to build urban metro systems...........[/p][/quote]"making an intelligent choice for each journey, based on need rather than on want"
So the fact that many people work in places no one else is going at times that they are not going there, and is too far to bike, means that the car makes sense for those journeys?
My goodness ladies and gents I think Paul can't be feeling too good, he seems to be slipping...AGuyFromStrensall

pedalling paul wrote…

I never cease to be amazed by the range of reasons given by some commentators, as to why they should travel by car for every journey. No, its not about banning car use, but about making an intelligent choice for each journey, based on need rather than on want. Those who follow this wise counsel will use a mix of travel options, including car sharing , which will help create more capacity for those who genuinely need to use a motor vehicle. It will also help public transport to become more competitive. The Clifton Councillors who locally stirred up the Water End issue initated a politically motivated move by JA to undo the previous Govt. funded cycle scheme. I'm sure that this has nothing to do with their present deselection. But no amount of tame lap dog selection will alter my previously stated fact. No Local Authority on the planet can cater for increasing car use ad infinitum. Even the once oil rich Arabs are starting to build urban metro systems...........

"making an intelligent choice for each journey, based on need rather than on want" So the fact that many people work in places no one else is going at times that they are not going there, and is too far to bike, means that the car makes sense for those journeys? My goodness ladies and gents I think Paul can't be feeling too good, he seems to be slipping...

Score: -15

goatman says...10:01am Fri 4 Jul 14

" Cllr King said he was sad to leave the seat. He added: 'I am a socialist and I have been a member of the Labour party for 50 years. It has been my life and I have no intention of leaving the party." Sadly for all concerned, Socialism and Labour went their seperate ways with the arrival of Bliar. The current Labour mantra of "Vote for us, you don't want the nasties (sic) to get in" is a thin veneer to disguise their own dishonesty and failed Fabian policies. As they might have said in Royston Vasey, "Local People for Local Politics". Local councils should not be led by their national masters. As has been mooted on here, I'd love to see what a York Independent Party could offer, provided they were big enough to rise above personal in-fighting.

" Cllr King said he was sad to leave the seat.
He added: 'I am a socialist and I have been a member of the Labour party for 50 years. It has been my life and I have no intention of leaving the party."
Sadly for all concerned, Socialism and Labour went their seperate ways with the arrival of Bliar. The current Labour mantra of "Vote for us, you don't want the nasties (sic) to get in" is a thin veneer to disguise their own dishonesty and failed Fabian policies.
As they might have said in Royston Vasey, "Local People for Local Politics". Local councils should not be led by their national masters. As has been mooted on here, I'd love to see what a York Independent Party could offer, provided they were big enough to rise above personal in-fighting.goatman

" Cllr King said he was sad to leave the seat. He added: 'I am a socialist and I have been a member of the Labour party for 50 years. It has been my life and I have no intention of leaving the party." Sadly for all concerned, Socialism and Labour went their seperate ways with the arrival of Bliar. The current Labour mantra of "Vote for us, you don't want the nasties (sic) to get in" is a thin veneer to disguise their own dishonesty and failed Fabian policies. As they might have said in Royston Vasey, "Local People for Local Politics". Local councils should not be led by their national masters. As has been mooted on here, I'd love to see what a York Independent Party could offer, provided they were big enough to rise above personal in-fighting.

Score: -18

Flabbergob says...10:03am Fri 4 Jul 14

If you can't lead then tell. When people get sick of being told what to think and start to question then get rid of them and bring in the yes men. I don't believe this was solely a branch decision and no doubt we will see the good old "it's a shock to me, they are good people, if there is anything I can do" **** in the near future. The branch may decide who the candidates are, the residents decide who they want to be their councillors. Wait for the Jimmy knows nowt report.

If you can't lead then tell.
When people get sick of being told what to think and start to question then get rid of them and bring in the yes men.
I don't believe this was solely a branch decision and no doubt we will see the good old "it's a shock to me, they are good people, if there is anything I can do" **** in the near future.
The branch may decide who the candidates are, the residents decide who they want to be their councillors.
Wait for the Jimmy knows nowt report.Flabbergob

If you can't lead then tell. When people get sick of being told what to think and start to question then get rid of them and bring in the yes men. I don't believe this was solely a branch decision and no doubt we will see the good old "it's a shock to me, they are good people, if there is anything I can do" **** in the near future. The branch may decide who the candidates are, the residents decide who they want to be their councillors. Wait for the Jimmy knows nowt report.

Score: -16

JasBro says...10:20am Fri 4 Jul 14

pedalling paul wrote…

I never cease to be amazed by the range of reasons given by some commentators, as to why they should travel by car for every journey. No, its not about banning car use, but about making an intelligent choice for each journey, based on need rather than on want. Those who follow this wise counsel will use a mix of travel options, including car sharing , which will help create more capacity for those who genuinely need to use a motor vehicle. It will also help public transport to become more competitive. The Clifton Councillors who locally stirred up the Water End issue initated a politically motivated move by JA to undo the previous Govt. funded cycle scheme. I'm sure that this has nothing to do with their present deselection. But no amount of tame lap dog selection will alter my previously stated fact. No Local Authority on the planet can cater for increasing car use ad infinitum. Even the once oil rich Arabs are starting to build urban metro systems...........

Look at the facts. The number of cars in York has not increased in the last decade but congestion and pollution have increased massively. The policies you support have failed.

[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote:
I never cease to be amazed by the range of reasons given by some commentators, as to why they should travel by car for every journey. No, its not about banning car use, but about making an intelligent choice for each journey, based on need rather than on want.
Those who follow this wise counsel will use a mix of travel options, including car sharing , which will help create more capacity for those who genuinely need to use a motor vehicle. It will also help public transport to become more competitive.
The Clifton Councillors who locally stirred up the Water End issue initated a politically motivated move by JA to undo the previous Govt. funded cycle scheme. I'm sure that this has nothing to do with their present deselection. But no amount of tame lap dog selection will alter my previously stated fact. No Local Authority on the planet can cater for increasing car use ad infinitum. Even the once oil rich Arabs are starting to build urban metro systems...........[/p][/quote]Look at the facts.
The number of cars in York has not increased in the last decade but congestion and pollution have increased massively.
The policies you support have failed.JasBro

pedalling paul wrote…

I never cease to be amazed by the range of reasons given by some commentators, as to why they should travel by car for every journey. No, its not about banning car use, but about making an intelligent choice for each journey, based on need rather than on want. Those who follow this wise counsel will use a mix of travel options, including car sharing , which will help create more capacity for those who genuinely need to use a motor vehicle. It will also help public transport to become more competitive. The Clifton Councillors who locally stirred up the Water End issue initated a politically motivated move by JA to undo the previous Govt. funded cycle scheme. I'm sure that this has nothing to do with their present deselection. But no amount of tame lap dog selection will alter my previously stated fact. No Local Authority on the planet can cater for increasing car use ad infinitum. Even the once oil rich Arabs are starting to build urban metro systems...........

Look at the facts. The number of cars in York has not increased in the last decade but congestion and pollution have increased massively. The policies you support have failed.

Score: -10

powerwatt says...10:41am Fri 4 Jul 14

Well done to Hugh Bayley's PA for being selected for the ward... Who said stitch up?

Well done to Hugh Bayley's PA for being selected for the ward...
Who said stitch up?powerwatt

Well done to Hugh Bayley's PA for being selected for the ward... Who said stitch up?

Score: -16

again says...11:46am Fri 4 Jul 14

goatman wrote…

" Cllr King said he was sad to leave the seat. He added: 'I am a socialist and I have been a member of the Labour party for 50 years. It has been my life and I have no intention of leaving the party." Sadly for all concerned, Socialism and Labour went their seperate ways with the arrival of Bliar. The current Labour mantra of "Vote for us, you don't want the nasties (sic) to get in" is a thin veneer to disguise their own dishonesty and failed Fabian policies. As they might have said in Royston Vasey, "Local People for Local Politics". Local councils should not be led by their national masters. As has been mooted on here, I'd love to see what a York Independent Party could offer, provided they were big enough to rise above personal in-fighting.

When the PLP gives Dennis Skinner the heave-ho from the NEC it is clear that New Labour is simply Tory-lite. Who needs that? Unfortunately the usurping of local powers by central govt is an essential part of neoliberalism. It's where we are heading. There Is No Alternative as someone once said and boy did she mean it.

[quote][p][bold]goatman[/bold] wrote:
" Cllr King said he was sad to leave the seat.
He added: 'I am a socialist and I have been a member of the Labour party for 50 years. It has been my life and I have no intention of leaving the party."
Sadly for all concerned, Socialism and Labour went their seperate ways with the arrival of Bliar. The current Labour mantra of "Vote for us, you don't want the nasties (sic) to get in" is a thin veneer to disguise their own dishonesty and failed Fabian policies.
As they might have said in Royston Vasey, "Local People for Local Politics". Local councils should not be led by their national masters. As has been mooted on here, I'd love to see what a York Independent Party could offer, provided they were big enough to rise above personal in-fighting.[/p][/quote]When the PLP gives Dennis Skinner the heave-ho from the NEC it is clear that New Labour is simply Tory-lite. Who needs that?
Unfortunately the usurping of local powers by central govt is an essential part of neoliberalism. It's where we are heading. There Is No Alternative as someone once said and boy did she mean it.again

goatman wrote…

" Cllr King said he was sad to leave the seat. He added: 'I am a socialist and I have been a member of the Labour party for 50 years. It has been my life and I have no intention of leaving the party." Sadly for all concerned, Socialism and Labour went their seperate ways with the arrival of Bliar. The current Labour mantra of "Vote for us, you don't want the nasties (sic) to get in" is a thin veneer to disguise their own dishonesty and failed Fabian policies. As they might have said in Royston Vasey, "Local People for Local Politics". Local councils should not be led by their national masters. As has been mooted on here, I'd love to see what a York Independent Party could offer, provided they were big enough to rise above personal in-fighting.

When the PLP gives Dennis Skinner the heave-ho from the NEC it is clear that New Labour is simply Tory-lite. Who needs that? Unfortunately the usurping of local powers by central govt is an essential part of neoliberalism. It's where we are heading. There Is No Alternative as someone once said and boy did she mean it.

Score: -18

Zetkin says...12:20pm Fri 4 Jul 14

A lot of heat being generated but precious little light. As it's up to Labour Party members to select Labour Party candidates, perhaps those who are frothing at the mouth over these deselections should have considered joining the party and taking part in the selection procedure. Or if like me, they're not Labour members, supporters, or voters, they could let Labour get on with it, campaign and vote for your own candidates, and see what happens on election day.

A lot of heat being generated but precious little light.
As it's up to Labour Party members to select Labour Party candidates, perhaps those who are frothing at the mouth over these deselections should have considered joining the party and taking part in the selection procedure.
Or if like me, they're not Labour members, supporters, or voters, they could let Labour get on with it, campaign and vote for your own candidates, and see what happens on election day.Zetkin

A lot of heat being generated but precious little light. As it's up to Labour Party members to select Labour Party candidates, perhaps those who are frothing at the mouth over these deselections should have considered joining the party and taking part in the selection procedure. Or if like me, they're not Labour members, supporters, or voters, they could let Labour get on with it, campaign and vote for your own candidates, and see what happens on election day.

Score: 19

Jackanory2 says...12:22pm Fri 4 Jul 14

pedalling paul wrote…

I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction. Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote. Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.

Rubbish, Sorry but I am a cyclist and the re-opening has made the cars go through a lot faster, and the only problem we have is the small part where the filter was replaced, which isn't that difficult to get through.

[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote:
I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction. Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote. Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.[/p][/quote]Rubbish, Sorry but I am a cyclist and the re-opening has made the cars go through a lot faster, and the only problem we have is the small part where the filter was replaced, which isn't that difficult to get through.Jackanory2

pedalling paul wrote…

I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction. Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote. Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.

Rubbish, Sorry but I am a cyclist and the re-opening has made the cars go through a lot faster, and the only problem we have is the small part where the filter was replaced, which isn't that difficult to get through.

Score: -11

Dave Ruddock says...1:15pm Fri 4 Jul 14

what the hell has the road , its layout and cycling got to do with the news article. Re the story, hope Labor get there backside (house in some assembleence of order. that and all political parties LISTEN to the people that they "So Called" represent. Seems the best paid self appointed public funded gaggle of muppets

what the hell has the road , its layout and cycling got to do with the news article.
Re the story, hope Labor get there backside (house in some assembleence of order.
that and all political parties LISTEN to the people that they "So Called" represent. Seems the best paid self appointed public funded gaggle of muppetsDave Ruddock

what the hell has the road , its layout and cycling got to do with the news article. Re the story, hope Labor get there backside (house in some assembleence of order. that and all political parties LISTEN to the people that they "So Called" represent. Seems the best paid self appointed public funded gaggle of muppets

Score: -14

tessah-York says...1:22pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Slightly unrelated - but has anyone else noticed that the scores seem incorrecct? Anyone who has a view that isn't pro-council or pro labour has a very negative score, and all others are positive. Are people rigging this scoring system somehow?

Slightly unrelated - but has anyone else noticed that the scores seem incorrecct? Anyone who has a view that isn't pro-council or pro labour has a very negative score, and all others are positive. Are people rigging this scoring system somehow?tessah-York

Slightly unrelated - but has anyone else noticed that the scores seem incorrecct? Anyone who has a view that isn't pro-council or pro labour has a very negative score, and all others are positive. Are people rigging this scoring system somehow?

Score: -18

Y.I.P. says...1:25pm Fri 4 Jul 14

julia brica wrote…

Lets just for a moment say that James and his new chums he is going to parachute in to fill the voids, who are sure to be ex uni and who have never worked a proper job in their lives. (same as James) do actually manage "Due to the apathy of the local voters" Get voted in and James and his cabal stay in charge of York. Well if you think they are a shilling short of a pound now, well we have seen nothing yet. Remember the madness of Derek Hatton in Liverpool ? The shambles that is Brighton and Hove and I could go on. Well all of that lunacy could be on its way here if the electorate don't sit up and take notice. So if there is to be a York Independence Party isn't it time you showed your colours.

On standby bud ready to go!!!!!!

[quote][p][bold]julia brica[/bold] wrote:
Lets just for a moment say that James and his new chums he is going to parachute in to fill the voids, who are sure to be ex uni and who have never worked a proper job in their lives. (same as James) do actually manage "Due to the apathy of the local voters" Get voted in and James and his cabal stay in charge of York.
Well if you think they are a shilling short of a pound now, well we have seen nothing yet. Remember the madness of Derek Hatton in Liverpool ?
The shambles that is Brighton and Hove and I could go on.
Well all of that lunacy could be on its way here if the electorate don't sit up and take notice. So if there is to be a York Independence Party isn't it time you showed your colours.[/p][/quote]On standby bud ready to go!!!!!!Y.I.P.

julia brica wrote…

Lets just for a moment say that James and his new chums he is going to parachute in to fill the voids, who are sure to be ex uni and who have never worked a proper job in their lives. (same as James) do actually manage "Due to the apathy of the local voters" Get voted in and James and his cabal stay in charge of York. Well if you think they are a shilling short of a pound now, well we have seen nothing yet. Remember the madness of Derek Hatton in Liverpool ? The shambles that is Brighton and Hove and I could go on. Well all of that lunacy could be on its way here if the electorate don't sit up and take notice. So if there is to be a York Independence Party isn't it time you showed your colours.

On standby bud ready to go!!!!!!

Score: -16

Caecilius says...1:33pm Fri 4 Jul 14

JasBro wrote…

pedalling paul wrote…

I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction. Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote. Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.

You don't live in the area concerned, so your ignorance is understandable. But actually the reinstatement of the left hand filter lane at Clifton Green has made a huge and positive difference for all of us who live nearby. The queues of stationary traffic which used to tailback from Clifton Green, across the bridge, and all the way onto Boroughbridge Road, have now been reduced significantly. Congestion and pollution have decreased accordingly. The left hand lane is, as you say, often left empty, primarily because of the pointless remaining stub of a totally useless cycle lane. The policies that you support have resulted in more pollution for the same amount of traffic, and cycling numbers are stagnant.

Nonsense. All that's been achieved by the reinstatement of the filter lane, and the retiming of the lights to favour the loudest whingers, is to redistribute the congestion onto the other roads feeding the junction. The queues of stationary traffic back towards Boroughbridge Road are still there at peak times, albeit shorter. The other side of the road is still rammed with vehicles, the tailback sometimes extending all the way from Salisbury Road up to the Clifton Green lights - and beyond, onto the box junction, which some drivers enter even though they can see they haven't got an exit thereby helping to extend the already massive tailback up Clifton Road. I've seen them drive through a red light to do it. I've seen them double park on the junction. There are other lengthy queues of traffic back up Water Lane, Shipton Road and Rawclffe Lane. None of them have anything to do with provision being made for people who choose to travel otherwise than by car (including "the pointless remaining stub of a totally useless cycle lane") , but everything to do with the number of people who elect to drive one. All of them are pumping out carbon monoxide. If you feel that your personal environment has improved, then lucky you - though I would have thought the perennial Salisbury Avenue-Clifton Green jam, by itself, would be generating enough pollution to degrade it. But if you think that, overall, either the pollution or the congestion has even been dented by the pointless removal of the cycle lane, you're deluding yourself. Evidently, even the Labour Group realise that their gesture politics didn't achieve its alleged objective, as they're now talking about changing the timing of the lights again.

[quote][p][bold]JasBro[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote:
I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction.
Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote.
Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.[/p][/quote]You don't live in the area concerned, so your ignorance is understandable.
But actually the reinstatement of the left hand filter lane at Clifton Green has made a huge and positive difference for all of us who live nearby. The queues of stationary traffic which used to tailback from Clifton Green, across the bridge, and all the way onto Boroughbridge Road, have now been reduced significantly. Congestion and pollution have decreased accordingly.
The left hand lane is, as you say, often left empty, primarily because of the pointless remaining stub of a totally useless cycle lane.
The policies that you support have resulted in more pollution for the same amount of traffic, and cycling numbers are stagnant.[/p][/quote]Nonsense.
All that's been achieved by the reinstatement of the filter lane, and the retiming of the lights to favour the loudest whingers, is to redistribute the congestion onto the other roads feeding the junction. The queues of stationary traffic back towards Boroughbridge Road are still there at peak times, albeit shorter. The other side of the road is still rammed with vehicles, the tailback sometimes extending all the way from Salisbury Road up to the Clifton Green lights - and beyond, onto the box junction, which some drivers enter even though they can see they haven't got an exit thereby helping to extend the already massive tailback up Clifton Road. I've seen them drive through a red light to do it. I've seen them double park on the junction. There are other lengthy queues of traffic back up Water Lane, Shipton Road and Rawclffe Lane. None of them have anything to do with provision being made for people who choose to travel otherwise than by car (including "the pointless remaining stub of a totally useless cycle lane") , but everything to do with the number of people who elect to drive one. All of them are pumping out carbon monoxide. If you feel that your personal environment has improved, then lucky you - though I would have thought the perennial Salisbury Avenue-Clifton Green jam, by itself, would be generating enough pollution to degrade it. But if you think that, overall, either the pollution or the congestion has even been dented by the pointless removal of the cycle lane, you're deluding yourself. Evidently, even the Labour Group realise that their gesture politics didn't achieve its alleged objective, as they're now talking about changing the timing of the lights again.Caecilius

JasBro wrote…

pedalling paul wrote…

I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction. Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote. Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.

You don't live in the area concerned, so your ignorance is understandable. But actually the reinstatement of the left hand filter lane at Clifton Green has made a huge and positive difference for all of us who live nearby. The queues of stationary traffic which used to tailback from Clifton Green, across the bridge, and all the way onto Boroughbridge Road, have now been reduced significantly. Congestion and pollution have decreased accordingly. The left hand lane is, as you say, often left empty, primarily because of the pointless remaining stub of a totally useless cycle lane. The policies that you support have resulted in more pollution for the same amount of traffic, and cycling numbers are stagnant.

Nonsense. All that's been achieved by the reinstatement of the filter lane, and the retiming of the lights to favour the loudest whingers, is to redistribute the congestion onto the other roads feeding the junction. The queues of stationary traffic back towards Boroughbridge Road are still there at peak times, albeit shorter. The other side of the road is still rammed with vehicles, the tailback sometimes extending all the way from Salisbury Road up to the Clifton Green lights - and beyond, onto the box junction, which some drivers enter even though they can see they haven't got an exit thereby helping to extend the already massive tailback up Clifton Road. I've seen them drive through a red light to do it. I've seen them double park on the junction. There are other lengthy queues of traffic back up Water Lane, Shipton Road and Rawclffe Lane. None of them have anything to do with provision being made for people who choose to travel otherwise than by car (including "the pointless remaining stub of a totally useless cycle lane") , but everything to do with the number of people who elect to drive one. All of them are pumping out carbon monoxide. If you feel that your personal environment has improved, then lucky you - though I would have thought the perennial Salisbury Avenue-Clifton Green jam, by itself, would be generating enough pollution to degrade it. But if you think that, overall, either the pollution or the congestion has even been dented by the pointless removal of the cycle lane, you're deluding yourself. Evidently, even the Labour Group realise that their gesture politics didn't achieve its alleged objective, as they're now talking about changing the timing of the lights again.

Score: -19

who2believe says...2:38pm Fri 4 Jul 14

tessah-York wrote…

Slightly unrelated - but has anyone else noticed that the scores seem incorrecct? Anyone who has a view that isn't pro-council or pro labour has a very negative score, and all others are positive. Are people rigging this scoring system somehow?

I don't think anyone is actually rigging the YorkPress system. The fiddle is probably that a group of people are signed up to vote when instructed to. They may be paid as in pay-per-click but far more likely is that they are political activists and really do believe they have a duty and a right to act in mass on instructions from someone. The Press isn't saying anything but they will know a great deal about where the clicks come from, if they are from one institution and if it is occurring in other parts of the country. I do think that the Press should make a statement about this serious ongoing matter. Whatever the cause, it is preventing our elected reps from 'Hearing the voice of the people of York'.

[quote][p][bold]tessah-York[/bold] wrote:
Slightly unrelated - but has anyone else noticed that the scores seem incorrecct? Anyone who has a view that isn't pro-council or pro labour has a very negative score, and all others are positive. Are people rigging this scoring system somehow?[/p][/quote]I don't think anyone is actually rigging the YorkPress system. The fiddle is probably that a group of people are signed up to vote when instructed to. They may be paid as in pay-per-click but far more likely is that they are political activists and really do believe they have a duty and a right to act in mass on instructions from someone. The Press isn't saying anything but they will know a great deal about where the clicks come from, if they are from one institution and if it is occurring in other parts of the country. I do think that the Press should make a statement about this serious ongoing matter. Whatever the cause, it is preventing our elected reps from 'Hearing the voice of the people of York'.who2believe

tessah-York wrote…

Slightly unrelated - but has anyone else noticed that the scores seem incorrecct? Anyone who has a view that isn't pro-council or pro labour has a very negative score, and all others are positive. Are people rigging this scoring system somehow?

I don't think anyone is actually rigging the YorkPress system. The fiddle is probably that a group of people are signed up to vote when instructed to. They may be paid as in pay-per-click but far more likely is that they are political activists and really do believe they have a duty and a right to act in mass on instructions from someone. The Press isn't saying anything but they will know a great deal about where the clicks come from, if they are from one institution and if it is occurring in other parts of the country. I do think that the Press should make a statement about this serious ongoing matter. Whatever the cause, it is preventing our elected reps from 'Hearing the voice of the people of York'.

Slightly unrelated - but has anyone else noticed that the scores seem incorrecct? Anyone who has a view that isn't pro-council or pro labour has a very negative score, and all others are positive. Are people rigging this scoring system somehow?

I don't think anyone is actually rigging the YorkPress system. The fiddle is probably that a group of people are signed up to vote when instructed to. They may be paid as in pay-per-click but far more likely is that they are political activists and really do believe they have a duty and a right to act in mass on instructions from someone. The Press isn't saying anything but they will know a great deal about where the clicks come from, if they are from one institution and if it is occurring in other parts of the country. I do think that the Press should make a statement about this serious ongoing matter. Whatever the cause, it is preventing our elected reps from 'Hearing the voice of the people of York'.

Paranoia. "the scores seem incorrect" on what is this based? Your certainty that everyone agrees with you? "They may be paid as in pay-per-click" You are joking arent you?

[quote][p][bold]who2believe[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]tessah-York[/bold] wrote: Slightly unrelated - but has anyone else noticed that the scores seem incorrecct? Anyone who has a view that isn't pro-council or pro labour has a very negative score, and all others are positive. Are people rigging this scoring system somehow?[/p][/quote]I don't think anyone is actually rigging the YorkPress system. The fiddle is probably that a group of people are signed up to vote when instructed to. They may be paid as in pay-per-click but far more likely is that they are political activists and really do believe they have a duty and a right to act in mass on instructions from someone. The Press isn't saying anything but they will know a great deal about where the clicks come from, if they are from one institution and if it is occurring in other parts of the country. I do think that the Press should make a statement about this serious ongoing matter. Whatever the cause, it is preventing our elected reps from 'Hearing the voice of the people of York'.[/p][/quote]Paranoia.
"the scores seem incorrect" on what is this based? Your certainty that everyone agrees with you?
"They may be paid as in pay-per-click" You are joking arent you?Fat Harry

who2believe wrote…

tessah-York wrote…

Slightly unrelated - but has anyone else noticed that the scores seem incorrecct? Anyone who has a view that isn't pro-council or pro labour has a very negative score, and all others are positive. Are people rigging this scoring system somehow?

I don't think anyone is actually rigging the YorkPress system. The fiddle is probably that a group of people are signed up to vote when instructed to. They may be paid as in pay-per-click but far more likely is that they are political activists and really do believe they have a duty and a right to act in mass on instructions from someone. The Press isn't saying anything but they will know a great deal about where the clicks come from, if they are from one institution and if it is occurring in other parts of the country. I do think that the Press should make a statement about this serious ongoing matter. Whatever the cause, it is preventing our elected reps from 'Hearing the voice of the people of York'.

Paranoia. "the scores seem incorrect" on what is this based? Your certainty that everyone agrees with you? "They may be paid as in pay-per-click" You are joking arent you?

Score: 16

Fat Harry says...3:47pm Fri 4 Jul 14

And what is the York Independence Party? A party for the secession of York from the UK? If so on what borders? Or is it meant to be York Indpependents (Independent's? Independents'?) Party? In which case surely being in a party means you are no longer independent. I'd sooner vote Monster Raving Loony Party.

And what is the York Independence Party?
A party for the secession of York from the UK? If so on what borders?
Or is it meant to be York Indpependents (Independent's? Independents'?) Party? In which case surely being in a party means you are no longer independent.
I'd sooner vote Monster Raving Loony Party.Fat Harry

And what is the York Independence Party? A party for the secession of York from the UK? If so on what borders? Or is it meant to be York Indpependents (Independent's? Independents'?) Party? In which case surely being in a party means you are no longer independent. I'd sooner vote Monster Raving Loony Party.

Score: 17

courier46 says...4:35pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Wrong 3 councillors if you ask me. All out next year!

Wrong 3 councillors if you ask me.
All out next year!courier46

Wrong 3 councillors if you ask me. All out next year!

Score: -21

Badgers Drift says...4:44pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Fat Harry wrote…

And what is the York Independence Party? A party for the secession of York from the UK? If so on what borders? Or is it meant to be York Indpependents (Independent's? Independents'?) Party? In which case surely being in a party means you are no longer independent. I'd sooner vote Monster Raving Loony Party.

Don't you already? The Labour party in York are monster raving lunatics!!! LOL

[quote][p][bold]Fat Harry[/bold] wrote:
And what is the York Independence Party? A party for the secession of York from the UK? If so on what borders? Or is it meant to be York Indpependents (Independent's? Independents'?) Party? In which case surely being in a party means you are no longer independent. I'd sooner vote Monster Raving Loony Party.[/p][/quote]Don't you already?
The Labour party in York are monster raving lunatics!!! LOLBadgers Drift

Fat Harry wrote…

And what is the York Independence Party? A party for the secession of York from the UK? If so on what borders? Or is it meant to be York Indpependents (Independent's? Independents'?) Party? In which case surely being in a party means you are no longer independent. I'd sooner vote Monster Raving Loony Party.

Don't you already? The Labour party in York are monster raving lunatics!!! LOL

Score: -19

who2believe says...4:52pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Quote FarHarry. "Paranoia. "the scores seem incorrect" on what is this based? Your certainty that everyone agrees with you? "They may be paid as in pay-per-click" You are joking arent you?" Are you saying that you can't see a solid pattern to the vote numbers and direction? Huge numbers on political posts but small numbers on other posts. So some people are not reading the Press and commenting but they are somehow quickly picking up on political posts only and in huge numbers all going in the same direction. This is illogical. Something is wrong and It seems to me that it must be organised in some way by some central gangmaster. Is this a York phenomena or has anyone noticed it elsewhere? The Press must investigate and reassure it's readers. 'Pay-per-click'. I'm not joking slimlady? This is done by giving taxpayers' money to a 'charity' to promote whatever; say 'ZitizenX Outreach' (I just made that up) then they in turn give a grant to a group saying that they do exactly that kind of thing but actually have a band of low paid enthusiasts in an office with all facilities who do as they are instructed. They then produce a survey for ZXOutreach confirming the view of the public on the issues they have been fiddling for ZXO. Trebles all round.

Quote FarHarry. "Paranoia.
"the scores seem incorrect" on what is this based? Your certainty that everyone agrees with you?
"They may be paid as in pay-per-click" You are joking arent you?"
Are you saying that you can't see a solid pattern to the vote numbers and direction? Huge numbers on political posts but small numbers on other posts. So some people are not reading the Press and commenting but they are somehow quickly picking up on political posts only and in huge numbers all going in the same direction. This is illogical. Something is wrong and It seems to me that it must be organised in some way by some central gangmaster. Is this a York phenomena or has anyone noticed it elsewhere?
The Press must investigate and reassure it's readers.
'Pay-per-click'. I'm not joking slimlady? This is done by giving taxpayers' money to a 'charity' to promote whatever; say 'ZitizenX Outreach' (I just made that up) then they in turn give a grant to a group saying that they do exactly that kind of thing but actually have a band of low paid enthusiasts in an office with all facilities who do as they are instructed. They then produce a survey for ZXOutreach confirming the view of the public on the issues they have been fiddling for ZXO. Trebles all round.who2believe

Quote FarHarry. "Paranoia. "the scores seem incorrect" on what is this based? Your certainty that everyone agrees with you? "They may be paid as in pay-per-click" You are joking arent you?" Are you saying that you can't see a solid pattern to the vote numbers and direction? Huge numbers on political posts but small numbers on other posts. So some people are not reading the Press and commenting but they are somehow quickly picking up on political posts only and in huge numbers all going in the same direction. This is illogical. Something is wrong and It seems to me that it must be organised in some way by some central gangmaster. Is this a York phenomena or has anyone noticed it elsewhere? The Press must investigate and reassure it's readers. 'Pay-per-click'. I'm not joking slimlady? This is done by giving taxpayers' money to a 'charity' to promote whatever; say 'ZitizenX Outreach' (I just made that up) then they in turn give a grant to a group saying that they do exactly that kind of thing but actually have a band of low paid enthusiasts in an office with all facilities who do as they are instructed. They then produce a survey for ZXOutreach confirming the view of the public on the issues they have been fiddling for ZXO. Trebles all round.

Score: -26

Oaklands Resident says...6:09pm Fri 4 Jul 14

So one of the "new" candidates is Huge Bayley's PA who has sought election to the Council all over the City and never been elected to anything. She doesn't live in Clifton. Never heard of the other guy but there is nothing on the Business Rates register under that name in Clifton? Where's his "business"?

So one of the "new" candidates is Huge Bayley's PA who has sought election to the Council all over the City and never been elected to anything. She doesn't live in Clifton.
Never heard of the other guy but there is nothing on the Business Rates register under that name in Clifton? Where's his "business"?Oaklands Resident

So one of the "new" candidates is Huge Bayley's PA who has sought election to the Council all over the City and never been elected to anything. She doesn't live in Clifton. Never heard of the other guy but there is nothing on the Business Rates register under that name in Clifton? Where's his "business"?

Score: -23

rodney'sdog says...6:49pm Fri 4 Jul 14

The problem is most candidates for the big parties are 'paper' candidates. Unlike smaller parties who go out doorstepping and campaigning and listening to people-most tenants just blindly vote labour con or lib dem and wouldnt know the candidate in the street if they tripped over them. Ms Douglas has made a great impact though in a short time and has done her best to represent the ward so a surprise that the long knives have gone for her. But looks like political point scoring will be a highlight of next years elections.

The problem is most candidates for the big parties are 'paper' candidates. Unlike smaller parties who go out doorstepping and campaigning and listening to people-most tenants just blindly vote labour con or lib dem and wouldnt know the candidate in the street if they tripped over them.
Ms Douglas has made a great impact though in a short time and has done her best to represent the ward so a surprise that the long knives have gone for her. But looks like political point scoring will be a highlight of next years elections.rodney'sdog

The problem is most candidates for the big parties are 'paper' candidates. Unlike smaller parties who go out doorstepping and campaigning and listening to people-most tenants just blindly vote labour con or lib dem and wouldnt know the candidate in the street if they tripped over them. Ms Douglas has made a great impact though in a short time and has done her best to represent the ward so a surprise that the long knives have gone for her. But looks like political point scoring will be a highlight of next years elections.

Score: -17

Jack Ham says...7:22pm Fri 4 Jul 14

If the claim that long standing, local councillors have been thrown out by a small cabal of activists in order to free up a safe seat for Hugh Bayleys Personal Assistant that that has to be one of the biggest political scandals to hit York in some time. We've known for a while now about the depths some in York Labour will go to to hide, control and massage public perceptions. If this is how they treat their own imagine the contempt they must have for the rest of us. Predictably no comment from the senior leadership. If the York Press wants to do some true old fashioned investigative journalism there can't be a much better story than this - and it just fallen right into their lap!

If the claim that long standing, local councillors have been thrown out by a small cabal of activists in order to free up a safe seat for Hugh Bayleys Personal Assistant that that has to be one of the biggest political scandals to hit York in some time.
We've known for a while now about the depths some in York Labour will go to to hide, control and massage public perceptions. If this is how they treat their own imagine the contempt they must have for the rest of us.
Predictably no comment from the senior leadership.
If the York Press wants to do some true old fashioned investigative journalism there can't be a much better story than this - and it just fallen right into their lap!Jack Ham

If the claim that long standing, local councillors have been thrown out by a small cabal of activists in order to free up a safe seat for Hugh Bayleys Personal Assistant that that has to be one of the biggest political scandals to hit York in some time. We've known for a while now about the depths some in York Labour will go to to hide, control and massage public perceptions. If this is how they treat their own imagine the contempt they must have for the rest of us. Predictably no comment from the senior leadership. If the York Press wants to do some true old fashioned investigative journalism there can't be a much better story than this - and it just fallen right into their lap!

Score: -19

Badgers Drift says...7:45pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Jack Ham wrote…

If the claim that long standing, local councillors have been thrown out by a small cabal of activists in order to free up a safe seat for Hugh Bayleys Personal Assistant that that has to be one of the biggest political scandals to hit York in some time. We've known for a while now about the depths some in York Labour will go to to hide, control and massage public perceptions. If this is how they treat their own imagine the contempt they must have for the rest of us. Predictably no comment from the senior leadership. If the York Press wants to do some true old fashioned investigative journalism there can't be a much better story than this - and it just fallen right into their lap!

Margaret Wells was a candidate in both the 2007 and 2011 York Council elections. In 2007 in Heworth Without, and 2011 in Huntington & New Earswick. Ironically, David Scott was Labour leader in 2007, and he endorsed Margaret's failed attempt in 2007.

[quote][p][bold]Jack Ham[/bold] wrote:
If the claim that long standing, local councillors have been thrown out by a small cabal of activists in order to free up a safe seat for Hugh Bayleys Personal Assistant that that has to be one of the biggest political scandals to hit York in some time.
We've known for a while now about the depths some in York Labour will go to to hide, control and massage public perceptions. If this is how they treat their own imagine the contempt they must have for the rest of us.
Predictably no comment from the senior leadership.
If the York Press wants to do some true old fashioned investigative journalism there can't be a much better story than this - and it just fallen right into their lap![/p][/quote]Margaret Wells was a candidate in both the 2007 and 2011 York Council elections.
In 2007 in Heworth Without, and 2011 in Huntington & New Earswick. Ironically, David Scott was Labour leader in 2007, and he endorsed Margaret's failed attempt in 2007.Badgers Drift

Jack Ham wrote…

If the claim that long standing, local councillors have been thrown out by a small cabal of activists in order to free up a safe seat for Hugh Bayleys Personal Assistant that that has to be one of the biggest political scandals to hit York in some time. We've known for a while now about the depths some in York Labour will go to to hide, control and massage public perceptions. If this is how they treat their own imagine the contempt they must have for the rest of us. Predictably no comment from the senior leadership. If the York Press wants to do some true old fashioned investigative journalism there can't be a much better story than this - and it just fallen right into their lap!

Margaret Wells was a candidate in both the 2007 and 2011 York Council elections. In 2007 in Heworth Without, and 2011 in Huntington & New Earswick. Ironically, David Scott was Labour leader in 2007, and he endorsed Margaret's failed attempt in 2007.

Score: -25

JasBro says...7:52pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Caecilius wrote…

JasBro wrote…

pedalling paul wrote…

I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction. Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote. Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.

You don't live in the area concerned, so your ignorance is understandable. But actually the reinstatement of the left hand filter lane at Clifton Green has made a huge and positive difference for all of us who live nearby. The queues of stationary traffic which used to tailback from Clifton Green, across the bridge, and all the way onto Boroughbridge Road, have now been reduced significantly. Congestion and pollution have decreased accordingly. The left hand lane is, as you say, often left empty, primarily because of the pointless remaining stub of a totally useless cycle lane. The policies that you support have resulted in more pollution for the same amount of traffic, and cycling numbers are stagnant.

Nonsense. All that's been achieved by the reinstatement of the filter lane, and the retiming of the lights to favour the loudest whingers, is to redistribute the congestion onto the other roads feeding the junction. The queues of stationary traffic back towards Boroughbridge Road are still there at peak times, albeit shorter. The other side of the road is still rammed with vehicles, the tailback sometimes extending all the way from Salisbury Road up to the Clifton Green lights - and beyond, onto the box junction, which some drivers enter even though they can see they haven't got an exit thereby helping to extend the already massive tailback up Clifton Road. I've seen them drive through a red light to do it. I've seen them double park on the junction. There are other lengthy queues of traffic back up Water Lane, Shipton Road and Rawclffe Lane. None of them have anything to do with provision being made for people who choose to travel otherwise than by car (including "the pointless remaining stub of a totally useless cycle lane") , but everything to do with the number of people who elect to drive one. All of them are pumping out carbon monoxide. If you feel that your personal environment has improved, then lucky you - though I would have thought the perennial Salisbury Avenue-Clifton Green jam, by itself, would be generating enough pollution to degrade it. But if you think that, overall, either the pollution or the congestion has even been dented by the pointless removal of the cycle lane, you're deluding yourself. Evidently, even the Labour Group realise that their gesture politics didn't achieve its alleged objective, as they're now talking about changing the timing of the lights again.

You are even more agenda driven, and evidence blind than peddlar paul. Your words.... "albeit shorter" You do realise that when it comes to traffic jams, that's actually a good thing? Less pollution is created, less people die from the effects of pollution. Personally, I don't drive and would be very happy to see less traffic in my area. Unfortunately the policy that you support led to increased congestion and pollution. It didn't work. Sorry, I know it's something dear to your heart, but it was wrong.

[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]JasBro[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote:
I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction.
Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote.
Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.[/p][/quote]You don't live in the area concerned, so your ignorance is understandable.
But actually the reinstatement of the left hand filter lane at Clifton Green has made a huge and positive difference for all of us who live nearby. The queues of stationary traffic which used to tailback from Clifton Green, across the bridge, and all the way onto Boroughbridge Road, have now been reduced significantly. Congestion and pollution have decreased accordingly.
The left hand lane is, as you say, often left empty, primarily because of the pointless remaining stub of a totally useless cycle lane.
The policies that you support have resulted in more pollution for the same amount of traffic, and cycling numbers are stagnant.[/p][/quote]Nonsense.
All that's been achieved by the reinstatement of the filter lane, and the retiming of the lights to favour the loudest whingers, is to redistribute the congestion onto the other roads feeding the junction. The queues of stationary traffic back towards Boroughbridge Road are still there at peak times, albeit shorter. The other side of the road is still rammed with vehicles, the tailback sometimes extending all the way from Salisbury Road up to the Clifton Green lights - and beyond, onto the box junction, which some drivers enter even though they can see they haven't got an exit thereby helping to extend the already massive tailback up Clifton Road. I've seen them drive through a red light to do it. I've seen them double park on the junction. There are other lengthy queues of traffic back up Water Lane, Shipton Road and Rawclffe Lane. None of them have anything to do with provision being made for people who choose to travel otherwise than by car (including "the pointless remaining stub of a totally useless cycle lane") , but everything to do with the number of people who elect to drive one. All of them are pumping out carbon monoxide. If you feel that your personal environment has improved, then lucky you - though I would have thought the perennial Salisbury Avenue-Clifton Green jam, by itself, would be generating enough pollution to degrade it. But if you think that, overall, either the pollution or the congestion has even been dented by the pointless removal of the cycle lane, you're deluding yourself. Evidently, even the Labour Group realise that their gesture politics didn't achieve its alleged objective, as they're now talking about changing the timing of the lights again.[/p][/quote]You are even more agenda driven, and evidence blind than peddlar paul.
Your words.... "albeit shorter"
You do realise that when it comes to traffic jams, that's actually a good thing? Less pollution is created, less people die from the effects of pollution.
Personally, I don't drive and would be very happy to see less traffic in my area. Unfortunately the policy that you support led to increased congestion and pollution.
It didn't work. Sorry, I know it's something dear to your heart, but it was wrong.JasBro

Caecilius wrote…

JasBro wrote…

pedalling paul wrote…

I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction. Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote. Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.

You don't live in the area concerned, so your ignorance is understandable. But actually the reinstatement of the left hand filter lane at Clifton Green has made a huge and positive difference for all of us who live nearby. The queues of stationary traffic which used to tailback from Clifton Green, across the bridge, and all the way onto Boroughbridge Road, have now been reduced significantly. Congestion and pollution have decreased accordingly. The left hand lane is, as you say, often left empty, primarily because of the pointless remaining stub of a totally useless cycle lane. The policies that you support have resulted in more pollution for the same amount of traffic, and cycling numbers are stagnant.

Nonsense. All that's been achieved by the reinstatement of the filter lane, and the retiming of the lights to favour the loudest whingers, is to redistribute the congestion onto the other roads feeding the junction. The queues of stationary traffic back towards Boroughbridge Road are still there at peak times, albeit shorter. The other side of the road is still rammed with vehicles, the tailback sometimes extending all the way from Salisbury Road up to the Clifton Green lights - and beyond, onto the box junction, which some drivers enter even though they can see they haven't got an exit thereby helping to extend the already massive tailback up Clifton Road. I've seen them drive through a red light to do it. I've seen them double park on the junction. There are other lengthy queues of traffic back up Water Lane, Shipton Road and Rawclffe Lane. None of them have anything to do with provision being made for people who choose to travel otherwise than by car (including "the pointless remaining stub of a totally useless cycle lane") , but everything to do with the number of people who elect to drive one. All of them are pumping out carbon monoxide. If you feel that your personal environment has improved, then lucky you - though I would have thought the perennial Salisbury Avenue-Clifton Green jam, by itself, would be generating enough pollution to degrade it. But if you think that, overall, either the pollution or the congestion has even been dented by the pointless removal of the cycle lane, you're deluding yourself. Evidently, even the Labour Group realise that their gesture politics didn't achieve its alleged objective, as they're now talking about changing the timing of the lights again.

You are even more agenda driven, and evidence blind than peddlar paul. Your words.... "albeit shorter" You do realise that when it comes to traffic jams, that's actually a good thing? Less pollution is created, less people die from the effects of pollution. Personally, I don't drive and would be very happy to see less traffic in my area. Unfortunately the policy that you support led to increased congestion and pollution. It didn't work. Sorry, I know it's something dear to your heart, but it was wrong.

Score: -21

joewatt says...8:16pm Fri 4 Jul 14

This is a shabby way to treat Helen - the other 2 are no great loss. Regarding the Water Lane left hand filter - it was me who first called for its reinstatement. The problem is that insufficient cycle lane has been removed to realise the full value of the left turn priority. The car lane needs to be extended back by a further 100 metres.

This is a shabby way to treat Helen - the other 2 are no great loss. Regarding the Water Lane left hand filter - it was me who first called for its reinstatement. The problem is that insufficient cycle lane has been removed to realise the full value of the left turn priority. The car lane needs to be extended back by a further 100 metres.joewatt

This is a shabby way to treat Helen - the other 2 are no great loss. Regarding the Water Lane left hand filter - it was me who first called for its reinstatement. The problem is that insufficient cycle lane has been removed to realise the full value of the left turn priority. The car lane needs to be extended back by a further 100 metres.

Score: -14

acomblass says...8:17pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Badgers Drift wrote…

Jack Ham wrote…

If the claim that long standing, local councillors have been thrown out by a small cabal of activists in order to free up a safe seat for Hugh Bayleys Personal Assistant that that has to be one of the biggest political scandals to hit York in some time. We've known for a while now about the depths some in York Labour will go to to hide, control and massage public perceptions. If this is how they treat their own imagine the contempt they must have for the rest of us. Predictably no comment from the senior leadership. If the York Press wants to do some true old fashioned investigative journalism there can't be a much better story than this - and it just fallen right into their lap!

Margaret Wells was a candidate in both the 2007 and 2011 York Council elections. In 2007 in Heworth Without, and 2011 in Huntington & New Earswick. Ironically, David Scott was Labour leader in 2007, and he endorsed Margaret's failed attempt in 2007.

All very perplexing. Rumour had it that Cllr Williams was moving from Westfield to Heworth where he lives - unless he's now decided that Rawcliffe is a safer option - to make way for Cllr Potter to move to Guildhall but I don't recall any selection meeting being held.

[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Jack Ham[/bold] wrote: If the claim that long standing, local councillors have been thrown out by a small cabal of activists in order to free up a safe seat for Hugh Bayleys Personal Assistant that that has to be one of the biggest political scandals to hit York in some time. We've known for a while now about the depths some in York Labour will go to to hide, control and massage public perceptions. If this is how they treat their own imagine the contempt they must have for the rest of us. Predictably no comment from the senior leadership. If the York Press wants to do some true old fashioned investigative journalism there can't be a much better story than this - and it just fallen right into their lap![/p][/quote]Margaret Wells was a candidate in both the 2007 and 2011 York Council elections. In 2007 in Heworth Without, and 2011 in Huntington & New Earswick. Ironically, David Scott was Labour leader in 2007, and he endorsed Margaret's failed attempt in 2007.[/p][/quote]All very perplexing. Rumour had it that Cllr Williams was moving from Westfield to Heworth where he lives - unless he's now decided that Rawcliffe is a safer option - to make way for Cllr Potter to move to Guildhall but I don't recall any selection meeting being held.acomblass

Badgers Drift wrote…

Jack Ham wrote…

If the claim that long standing, local councillors have been thrown out by a small cabal of activists in order to free up a safe seat for Hugh Bayleys Personal Assistant that that has to be one of the biggest political scandals to hit York in some time. We've known for a while now about the depths some in York Labour will go to to hide, control and massage public perceptions. If this is how they treat their own imagine the contempt they must have for the rest of us. Predictably no comment from the senior leadership. If the York Press wants to do some true old fashioned investigative journalism there can't be a much better story than this - and it just fallen right into their lap!

Margaret Wells was a candidate in both the 2007 and 2011 York Council elections. In 2007 in Heworth Without, and 2011 in Huntington & New Earswick. Ironically, David Scott was Labour leader in 2007, and he endorsed Margaret's failed attempt in 2007.

All very perplexing. Rumour had it that Cllr Williams was moving from Westfield to Heworth where he lives - unless he's now decided that Rawcliffe is a safer option - to make way for Cllr Potter to move to Guildhall but I don't recall any selection meeting being held.

Dint uncle joe( stalin). Run the ussr bit like this mob.and as for hackin..this guy/women has got nowt on the ons.s who hack tbe edinboro evening news.now they are good.very nearly a shadow clowncil as tbis mob in york as in no one likes/trusts em. As in a tram line that go.s nowhere..oh an they are very dodgy......

[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote:
[quote] "The selection meeting was a democratic process scrutinised by the Labour party’s executive council," Mr Begley said. [/quote]
Only scrutinised?[/p][/quote]Dint uncle joe( stalin). Run the ussr bit like this mob.and as for hackin..this guy/women has got nowt on the ons.s who hack tbe edinboro evening news.now they are good.very nearly a shadow clowncil as tbis mob in york as in no one likes/trusts em. As in a tram line that go.s nowhere..oh an they are very dodgy......piaggio1

Dint uncle joe( stalin). Run the ussr bit like this mob.and as for hackin..this guy/women has got nowt on the ons.s who hack tbe edinboro evening news.now they are good.very nearly a shadow clowncil as tbis mob in york as in no one likes/trusts em. As in a tram line that go.s nowhere..oh an they are very dodgy......

Score: -26

pault42 says...9:27pm Fri 4 Jul 14

pedalling paul wrote…

I never cease to be amazed by the range of reasons given by some commentators, as to why they should travel by car for every journey. No, its not about banning car use, but about making an intelligent choice for each journey, based on need rather than on want. Those who follow this wise counsel will use a mix of travel options, including car sharing , which will help create more capacity for those who genuinely need to use a motor vehicle. It will also help public transport to become more competitive. The Clifton Councillors who locally stirred up the Water End issue initated a politically motivated move by JA to undo the previous Govt. funded cycle scheme. I'm sure that this has nothing to do with their present deselection. But no amount of tame lap dog selection will alter my previously stated fact. No Local Authority on the planet can cater for increasing car use ad infinitum. Even the once oil rich Arabs are starting to build urban metro systems...........

What the heck has this got to do with the article. What is this blethering fool going on about now? As usual, totally irrelevant comment from Mr Lycra. On yer bike and keep going please.

[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote:
I never cease to be amazed by the range of reasons given by some commentators, as to why they should travel by car for every journey. No, its not about banning car use, but about making an intelligent choice for each journey, based on need rather than on want.
Those who follow this wise counsel will use a mix of travel options, including car sharing , which will help create more capacity for those who genuinely need to use a motor vehicle. It will also help public transport to become more competitive.
The Clifton Councillors who locally stirred up the Water End issue initated a politically motivated move by JA to undo the previous Govt. funded cycle scheme. I'm sure that this has nothing to do with their present deselection. But no amount of tame lap dog selection will alter my previously stated fact. No Local Authority on the planet can cater for increasing car use ad infinitum. Even the once oil rich Arabs are starting to build urban metro systems...........[/p][/quote]What the heck has this got to do with the article. What is this blethering fool going on about now? As usual, totally irrelevant comment from Mr Lycra.
On yer bike and keep going please.pault42

pedalling paul wrote…

I never cease to be amazed by the range of reasons given by some commentators, as to why they should travel by car for every journey. No, its not about banning car use, but about making an intelligent choice for each journey, based on need rather than on want. Those who follow this wise counsel will use a mix of travel options, including car sharing , which will help create more capacity for those who genuinely need to use a motor vehicle. It will also help public transport to become more competitive. The Clifton Councillors who locally stirred up the Water End issue initated a politically motivated move by JA to undo the previous Govt. funded cycle scheme. I'm sure that this has nothing to do with their present deselection. But no amount of tame lap dog selection will alter my previously stated fact. No Local Authority on the planet can cater for increasing car use ad infinitum. Even the once oil rich Arabs are starting to build urban metro systems...........

What the heck has this got to do with the article. What is this blethering fool going on about now? As usual, totally irrelevant comment from Mr Lycra. On yer bike and keep going please.

Score: -20

pault42 says...9:35pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Platform3 wrote…

krites wrote…

"The three were on a shortlist of possible candidates but lost out in a secret ballot on Tuesday, which the Press understands saw fewer than 20 members of the Clifton branch vote in two new candidates." So in effect those 20 people decide who the next councillors for Clifton Ward should be?

A suggestion for the city council to raise some money - sue the makers of Tellytubbys for plagiarism. It's clear the programme makers have based their children's show on the city council. Despite his weight loss there's no disguising James Alexander has the same intellectual capacity as Tinky Winky andTracey Simpson-Laing is the role model for LaLa. And all the time we have the giggling, smiling but ineffective Kersten England looking down on them all just like the sun does in the BBC programme. And in an attempt to introduce more Tellytubby councillors the Labour party is de-selecting people like the experienced, pragmatic Ken King and replacing them with JA / TLS clones (or is it clowns). The lesson therefore is that if you want to live in Tellytubby land vote Labour next May (I know Pedalling Paul will because there are no cars there. Mind you there are no bikes either so maybe it won't be such a bad thing!!!!).

Ah but I believe there's a motorised hoover. PP won't approve of that.

[quote][p][bold]Platform3[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]krites[/bold] wrote:
"The three were on a shortlist of possible candidates but lost out in a secret ballot on Tuesday, which the Press understands saw fewer than 20 members of the Clifton branch vote in two new candidates."
So in effect those 20 people decide who the next councillors for Clifton Ward should be?[/p][/quote]A suggestion for the city council to raise some money - sue the makers of Tellytubbys for plagiarism. It's clear the programme makers have based their children's show on the city council. Despite his weight loss there's no disguising James Alexander has the same intellectual capacity as Tinky Winky andTracey Simpson-Laing is the role model for LaLa. And all the time we have the giggling, smiling but ineffective Kersten England looking down on them all just like the sun does in the BBC programme.
And in an attempt to introduce more Tellytubby councillors the Labour party is de-selecting people like the experienced, pragmatic Ken King and replacing them with JA / TLS clones (or is it clowns).
The lesson therefore is that if you want to live in Tellytubby land vote Labour next May (I know Pedalling Paul will because there are no cars there. Mind you there are no bikes either so maybe it won't be such a bad thing!!!!).[/p][/quote]Ah but I believe there's a motorised hoover. PP won't approve of that.pault42

Platform3 wrote…

krites wrote…

"The three were on a shortlist of possible candidates but lost out in a secret ballot on Tuesday, which the Press understands saw fewer than 20 members of the Clifton branch vote in two new candidates." So in effect those 20 people decide who the next councillors for Clifton Ward should be?

A suggestion for the city council to raise some money - sue the makers of Tellytubbys for plagiarism. It's clear the programme makers have based their children's show on the city council. Despite his weight loss there's no disguising James Alexander has the same intellectual capacity as Tinky Winky andTracey Simpson-Laing is the role model for LaLa. And all the time we have the giggling, smiling but ineffective Kersten England looking down on them all just like the sun does in the BBC programme. And in an attempt to introduce more Tellytubby councillors the Labour party is de-selecting people like the experienced, pragmatic Ken King and replacing them with JA / TLS clones (or is it clowns). The lesson therefore is that if you want to live in Tellytubby land vote Labour next May (I know Pedalling Paul will because there are no cars there. Mind you there are no bikes either so maybe it won't be such a bad thing!!!!).

Ah but I believe there's a motorised hoover. PP won't approve of that.

Score: -20

Jack Ham says...9:39pm Fri 4 Jul 14

acomblass wrote…

Badgers Drift wrote…

Jack Ham wrote…

If the claim that long standing, local councillors have been thrown out by a small cabal of activists in order to free up a safe seat for Hugh Bayleys Personal Assistant that that has to be one of the biggest political scandals to hit York in some time. We've known for a while now about the depths some in York Labour will go to to hide, control and massage public perceptions. If this is how they treat their own imagine the contempt they must have for the rest of us. Predictably no comment from the senior leadership. If the York Press wants to do some true old fashioned investigative journalism there can't be a much better story than this - and it just fallen right into their lap!

Margaret Wells was a candidate in both the 2007 and 2011 York Council elections. In 2007 in Heworth Without, and 2011 in Huntington & New Earswick. Ironically, David Scott was Labour leader in 2007, and he endorsed Margaret's failed attempt in 2007.

All very perplexing. Rumour had it that Cllr Williams was moving from Westfield to Heworth where he lives - unless he's now decided that Rawcliffe is a safer option - to make way for Cllr Potter to move to Guildhall but I don't recall any selection meeting being held.

Hmmmm. With Cllr Williams certainly one of the inner cabal and his seat in Westfield looking increasingly uncertain. Given the Lib Dem resurgence there perhaps Helen et al are part of the sacrificed to keep him safe? I wonder if Hugh Bayleys PA will keep her tax payer funded job, alongside her councillor allowance if elected. This is beginning to look like a coup by camp Alexander. Who will be next?

[quote][p][bold]acomblass[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Jack Ham[/bold] wrote: If the claim that long standing, local councillors have been thrown out by a small cabal of activists in order to free up a safe seat for Hugh Bayleys Personal Assistant that that has to be one of the biggest political scandals to hit York in some time. We've known for a while now about the depths some in York Labour will go to to hide, control and massage public perceptions. If this is how they treat their own imagine the contempt they must have for the rest of us. Predictably no comment from the senior leadership. If the York Press wants to do some true old fashioned investigative journalism there can't be a much better story than this - and it just fallen right into their lap![/p][/quote]Margaret Wells was a candidate in both the 2007 and 2011 York Council elections. In 2007 in Heworth Without, and 2011 in Huntington & New Earswick. Ironically, David Scott was Labour leader in 2007, and he endorsed Margaret's failed attempt in 2007.[/p][/quote]All very perplexing. Rumour had it that Cllr Williams was moving from Westfield to Heworth where he lives - unless he's now decided that Rawcliffe is a safer option - to make way for Cllr Potter to move to Guildhall but I don't recall any selection meeting being held.[/p][/quote]Hmmmm. With Cllr Williams certainly one of the inner cabal and his seat in Westfield looking increasingly uncertain. Given the Lib Dem resurgence there perhaps Helen et al are part of the sacrificed to keep him safe?
I wonder if Hugh Bayleys PA will keep her tax payer funded job, alongside her councillor allowance if elected.
This is beginning to look like a coup by camp Alexander.
Who will be next?Jack Ham

acomblass wrote…

Badgers Drift wrote…

Jack Ham wrote…

If the claim that long standing, local councillors have been thrown out by a small cabal of activists in order to free up a safe seat for Hugh Bayleys Personal Assistant that that has to be one of the biggest political scandals to hit York in some time. We've known for a while now about the depths some in York Labour will go to to hide, control and massage public perceptions. If this is how they treat their own imagine the contempt they must have for the rest of us. Predictably no comment from the senior leadership. If the York Press wants to do some true old fashioned investigative journalism there can't be a much better story than this - and it just fallen right into their lap!

Margaret Wells was a candidate in both the 2007 and 2011 York Council elections. In 2007 in Heworth Without, and 2011 in Huntington & New Earswick. Ironically, David Scott was Labour leader in 2007, and he endorsed Margaret's failed attempt in 2007.

All very perplexing. Rumour had it that Cllr Williams was moving from Westfield to Heworth where he lives - unless he's now decided that Rawcliffe is a safer option - to make way for Cllr Potter to move to Guildhall but I don't recall any selection meeting being held.

Hmmmm. With Cllr Williams certainly one of the inner cabal and his seat in Westfield looking increasingly uncertain. Given the Lib Dem resurgence there perhaps Helen et al are part of the sacrificed to keep him safe? I wonder if Hugh Bayleys PA will keep her tax payer funded job, alongside her councillor allowance if elected. This is beginning to look like a coup by camp Alexander. Who will be next?

Score: -26

pedalling paul says...10:43pm Fri 4 Jul 14

joewatt wrote…

This is a shabby way to treat Helen - the other 2 are no great loss. Regarding the Water Lane left hand filter - it was me who first called for its reinstatement. The problem is that insufficient cycle lane has been removed to realise the full value of the left turn priority. The car lane needs to be extended back by a further 100 metres.

Oh Joe.......your "traffic must flow" mantra, regardless of how much of it there is, will drive York into gridlock sooner rather than later. Look beyond the next election and both our lifetimes for a change.

[quote][p][bold]joewatt[/bold] wrote:
This is a shabby way to treat Helen - the other 2 are no great loss. Regarding the Water Lane left hand filter - it was me who first called for its reinstatement. The problem is that insufficient cycle lane has been removed to realise the full value of the left turn priority. The car lane needs to be extended back by a further 100 metres.[/p][/quote]Oh Joe.......your "traffic must flow" mantra, regardless of how much of it there is, will drive York into gridlock sooner rather than later. Look beyond the next election and both our lifetimes for a change.pedalling paul

joewatt wrote…

This is a shabby way to treat Helen - the other 2 are no great loss. Regarding the Water Lane left hand filter - it was me who first called for its reinstatement. The problem is that insufficient cycle lane has been removed to realise the full value of the left turn priority. The car lane needs to be extended back by a further 100 metres.

Oh Joe.......your "traffic must flow" mantra, regardless of how much of it there is, will drive York into gridlock sooner rather than later. Look beyond the next election and both our lifetimes for a change.

Score: 6

jay, york says...11:09pm Fri 4 Jul 14

pedalling paul wrote…

I never cease to be amazed by the range of reasons given by some commentators, as to why they should travel by car for every journey. No, its not about banning car use, but about making an intelligent choice for each journey, based on need rather than on want. Those who follow this wise counsel will use a mix of travel options, including car sharing , which will help create more capacity for those who genuinely need to use a motor vehicle. It will also help public transport to become more competitive. The Clifton Councillors who locally stirred up the Water End issue initated a politically motivated move by JA to undo the previous Govt. funded cycle scheme. I'm sure that this has nothing to do with their present deselection. But no amount of tame lap dog selection will alter my previously stated fact. No Local Authority on the planet can cater for increasing car use ad infinitum. Even the once oil rich Arabs are starting to build urban metro systems...........

pathetic paul - in case you hadnt noticed this thread is NOT about traffic in York, it is not about congestion, it is not about victimisation and discrimination of car users, its not even about cyclists. But you still use any excuse to spout the same repetive rubbish. This is acutally about yet another dubious, secretive and underhand action by this yoirk labour council - they want to get rid of the stalwarts (please look up the definition of this word if not sure) and introducing new "yes men/women" who will cowtow to the little jimmy and kersty partnership.

[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote:
I never cease to be amazed by the range of reasons given by some commentators, as to why they should travel by car for every journey. No, its not about banning car use, but about making an intelligent choice for each journey, based on need rather than on want. Those who follow this wise counsel will use a mix of travel options, including car sharing , which will help create more capacity for those who genuinely need to use a motor vehicle. It will also help public transport to become more competitive. The Clifton Councillors who locally stirred up the Water End issue initated a politically motivated move by JA to undo the previous Govt. funded cycle scheme. I'm sure that this has nothing to do with their present deselection. But no amount of tame lap dog selection will alter my previously stated fact. No Local Authority on the planet can cater for increasing car use ad infinitum. Even the once oil rich Arabs are starting to build urban metro systems...........[/p][/quote]pathetic paul - in case you hadnt noticed this thread is NOT about traffic in York, it is not about congestion, it is not about victimisation and discrimination of car users, its not even about cyclists. But you still use any excuse to spout the same repetive rubbish.
This is acutally about yet another dubious, secretive and underhand action by this yoirk labour council - they want to get rid of the stalwarts (please look up the definition of this word if not sure) and introducing new "yes men/women" who will cowtow to the little jimmy and kersty partnership.jay, york

pedalling paul wrote…

I never cease to be amazed by the range of reasons given by some commentators, as to why they should travel by car for every journey. No, its not about banning car use, but about making an intelligent choice for each journey, based on need rather than on want. Those who follow this wise counsel will use a mix of travel options, including car sharing , which will help create more capacity for those who genuinely need to use a motor vehicle. It will also help public transport to become more competitive. The Clifton Councillors who locally stirred up the Water End issue initated a politically motivated move by JA to undo the previous Govt. funded cycle scheme. I'm sure that this has nothing to do with their present deselection. But no amount of tame lap dog selection will alter my previously stated fact. No Local Authority on the planet can cater for increasing car use ad infinitum. Even the once oil rich Arabs are starting to build urban metro systems...........

pathetic paul - in case you hadnt noticed this thread is NOT about traffic in York, it is not about congestion, it is not about victimisation and discrimination of car users, its not even about cyclists. But you still use any excuse to spout the same repetive rubbish. This is acutally about yet another dubious, secretive and underhand action by this yoirk labour council - they want to get rid of the stalwarts (please look up the definition of this word if not sure) and introducing new "yes men/women" who will cowtow to the little jimmy and kersty partnership.

Score: -21

jay, york says...11:20pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Fat Harry wrote…

who2believe wrote…

tessah-York wrote…

Slightly unrelated - but has anyone else noticed that the scores seem incorrecct? Anyone who has a view that isn't pro-council or pro labour has a very negative score, and all others are positive. Are people rigging this scoring system somehow?

I don't think anyone is actually rigging the YorkPress system. The fiddle is probably that a group of people are signed up to vote when instructed to. They may be paid as in pay-per-click but far more likely is that they are political activists and really do believe they have a duty and a right to act in mass on instructions from someone. The Press isn't saying anything but they will know a great deal about where the clicks come from, if they are from one institution and if it is occurring in other parts of the country. I do think that the Press should make a statement about this serious ongoing matter. Whatever the cause, it is preventing our elected reps from 'Hearing the voice of the people of York'.

Paranoia. "the scores seem incorrect" on what is this based? Your certainty that everyone agrees with you? "They may be paid as in pay-per-click" You are joking arent you?

We know who your are,,.........! Have you been banned again and have to get a new user name? The scores that people are talking about here have all been "swayed" to try and support the labour point of view. If you dont believe that just read the comments - the people who comment say far more than a coward who is instructed to press a button and do the negative voting.

[quote][p][bold]Fat Harry[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]who2believe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tessah-York[/bold] wrote: Slightly unrelated - but has anyone else noticed that the scores seem incorrecct? Anyone who has a view that isn't pro-council or pro labour has a very negative score, and all others are positive. Are people rigging this scoring system somehow?[/p][/quote]I don't think anyone is actually rigging the YorkPress system. The fiddle is probably that a group of people are signed up to vote when instructed to. They may be paid as in pay-per-click but far more likely is that they are political activists and really do believe they have a duty and a right to act in mass on instructions from someone. The Press isn't saying anything but they will know a great deal about where the clicks come from, if they are from one institution and if it is occurring in other parts of the country. I do think that the Press should make a statement about this serious ongoing matter. Whatever the cause, it is preventing our elected reps from 'Hearing the voice of the people of York'.[/p][/quote]Paranoia. "the scores seem incorrect" on what is this based? Your certainty that everyone agrees with you? "They may be paid as in pay-per-click" You are joking arent you?[/p][/quote]We know who your are,,.........! Have you been banned again and have to get a new user name? The scores that people are talking about here have all been "swayed" to try and support the labour point of view. If you dont believe that just read the comments - the people who comment say far more than a coward who is instructed to press a button and do the negative voting.jay, york

Fat Harry wrote…

who2believe wrote…

tessah-York wrote…

Slightly unrelated - but has anyone else noticed that the scores seem incorrecct? Anyone who has a view that isn't pro-council or pro labour has a very negative score, and all others are positive. Are people rigging this scoring system somehow?

I don't think anyone is actually rigging the YorkPress system. The fiddle is probably that a group of people are signed up to vote when instructed to. They may be paid as in pay-per-click but far more likely is that they are political activists and really do believe they have a duty and a right to act in mass on instructions from someone. The Press isn't saying anything but they will know a great deal about where the clicks come from, if they are from one institution and if it is occurring in other parts of the country. I do think that the Press should make a statement about this serious ongoing matter. Whatever the cause, it is preventing our elected reps from 'Hearing the voice of the people of York'.

Paranoia. "the scores seem incorrect" on what is this based? Your certainty that everyone agrees with you? "They may be paid as in pay-per-click" You are joking arent you?

We know who your are,,.........! Have you been banned again and have to get a new user name? The scores that people are talking about here have all been "swayed" to try and support the labour point of view. If you dont believe that just read the comments - the people who comment say far more than a coward who is instructed to press a button and do the negative voting.

Score: -25

jay, york says...11:27pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Jackanory2 wrote…

pedalling paul wrote…

I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction. Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote. Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.

Rubbish, Sorry but I am a cyclist and the re-opening has made the cars go through a lot faster, and the only problem we have is the small part where the filter was replaced, which isn't that difficult to get through.

At last - a cyclist who speaks out against patheric paul.!

[quote][p][bold]Jackanory2[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction. Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote. Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.[/p][/quote]Rubbish, Sorry but I am a cyclist and the re-opening has made the cars go through a lot faster, and the only problem we have is the small part where the filter was replaced, which isn't that difficult to get through.[/p][/quote]At last - a cyclist who speaks out against patheric paul.!jay, york

Jackanory2 wrote…

pedalling paul wrote…

I rather suspect that the picture was a photocall for reopening of the LH filter lane at Clifton Green. A few years on, that has done nothing to reduce peak time queues. In fact the LH lane is often left totally empty at peak times, due to its access poinr beng blocked by RH lane queues. Off peak, cyclists are decanted into a traffic maelstrom, as drivers race down the hill there to try and beat the lights at the A19 junction. Mark my words, the first cyclist that is injured or killed there will provoke an inquiry into Labour's past disregard for Officers advice, by bringing the LH lane back as a local election gimmick to court the motorists vote. Oh and by the way, wasn't it Cllr Scott who famously commented when the then ruling Libdems introduced the cycle facilities as part of the Orbital route. He condemned them then, for not doing it sooner.

Rubbish, Sorry but I am a cyclist and the re-opening has made the cars go through a lot faster, and the only problem we have is the small part where the filter was replaced, which isn't that difficult to get through.

At last - a cyclist who speaks out against patheric paul.!

Score: -20

jay, york says...11:36pm Fri 4 Jul 14

acomblass wrote…

Badgers Drift wrote…

Jack Ham wrote…

If the claim that long standing, local councillors have been thrown out by a small cabal of activists in order to free up a safe seat for Hugh Bayleys Personal Assistant that that has to be one of the biggest political scandals to hit York in some time. We've known for a while now about the depths some in York Labour will go to to hide, control and massage public perceptions. If this is how they treat their own imagine the contempt they must have for the rest of us. Predictably no comment from the senior leadership. If the York Press wants to do some true old fashioned investigative journalism there can't be a much better story than this - and it just fallen right into their lap!

Margaret Wells was a candidate in both the 2007 and 2011 York Council elections. In 2007 in Heworth Without, and 2011 in Huntington & New Earswick. Ironically, David Scott was Labour leader in 2007, and he endorsed Margaret's failed attempt in 2007.

All very perplexing. Rumour had it that Cllr Williams was moving from Westfield to Heworth where he lives - unless he's now decided that Rawcliffe is a safer option - to make way for Cllr Potter to move to Guildhall but I don't recall any selection meeting being held.

keep up the good work. we need people like you and Gwen.

[quote][p][bold]acomblass[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jack Ham[/bold] wrote: If the claim that long standing, local councillors have been thrown out by a small cabal of activists in order to free up a safe seat for Hugh Bayleys Personal Assistant that that has to be one of the biggest political scandals to hit York in some time. We've known for a while now about the depths some in York Labour will go to to hide, control and massage public perceptions. If this is how they treat their own imagine the contempt they must have for the rest of us. Predictably no comment from the senior leadership. If the York Press wants to do some true old fashioned investigative journalism there can't be a much better story than this - and it just fallen right into their lap![/p][/quote]Margaret Wells was a candidate in both the 2007 and 2011 York Council elections. In 2007 in Heworth Without, and 2011 in Huntington & New Earswick. Ironically, David Scott was Labour leader in 2007, and he endorsed Margaret's failed attempt in 2007.[/p][/quote]All very perplexing. Rumour had it that Cllr Williams was moving from Westfield to Heworth where he lives - unless he's now decided that Rawcliffe is a safer option - to make way for Cllr Potter to move to Guildhall but I don't recall any selection meeting being held.[/p][/quote]keep up the good work. we need people like you and Gwen.jay, york

acomblass wrote…

Badgers Drift wrote…

Jack Ham wrote…

If the claim that long standing, local councillors have been thrown out by a small cabal of activists in order to free up a safe seat for Hugh Bayleys Personal Assistant that that has to be one of the biggest political scandals to hit York in some time. We've known for a while now about the depths some in York Labour will go to to hide, control and massage public perceptions. If this is how they treat their own imagine the contempt they must have for the rest of us. Predictably no comment from the senior leadership. If the York Press wants to do some true old fashioned investigative journalism there can't be a much better story than this - and it just fallen right into their lap!

Margaret Wells was a candidate in both the 2007 and 2011 York Council elections. In 2007 in Heworth Without, and 2011 in Huntington & New Earswick. Ironically, David Scott was Labour leader in 2007, and he endorsed Margaret's failed attempt in 2007.

All very perplexing. Rumour had it that Cllr Williams was moving from Westfield to Heworth where he lives - unless he's now decided that Rawcliffe is a safer option - to make way for Cllr Potter to move to Guildhall but I don't recall any selection meeting being held.

keep up the good work. we need people like you and Gwen.

Score: -23

jay, york says...11:41pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Fat Harry wrote…

And what is the York Independence Party? A party for the secession of York from the UK? If so on what borders? Or is it meant to be York Indpependents (Independent's? Independents'?) Party? In which case surely being in a party means you are no longer independent. I'd sooner vote Monster Raving Loony Party.

Thats what you are anyway.

[quote][p][bold]Fat Harry[/bold] wrote:
And what is the York Independence Party? A party for the secession of York from the UK? If so on what borders? Or is it meant to be York Indpependents (Independent's? Independents'?) Party? In which case surely being in a party means you are no longer independent. I'd sooner vote Monster Raving Loony Party.[/p][/quote]Thats what you are anyway.jay, york

Fat Harry wrote…

And what is the York Independence Party? A party for the secession of York from the UK? If so on what borders? Or is it meant to be York Indpependents (Independent's? Independents'?) Party? In which case surely being in a party means you are no longer independent. I'd sooner vote Monster Raving Loony Party.

Thats what you are anyway.

Score: -22

York1900 says...8:01am Sat 5 Jul 14

York Labour party is more like the conservative party than the conservatives Never know a Labour council so ready to do deals with big companies to out source so many services It looks like in 2015 that I will be voting none of the above unless there is a good independent councillor up of election because they all have soled out York following the leaders whims without question had it with lib-dams and labour

York Labour party is more like the conservative party than the conservatives
Never know a Labour council so ready to do deals with big companies to out source so many services
It looks like in 2015 that I will be voting none of the above unless there is a good independent councillor up of election because they all have soled out York following the leaders whims without question had it with lib-dams and labourYork1900

York Labour party is more like the conservative party than the conservatives Never know a Labour council so ready to do deals with big companies to out source so many services It looks like in 2015 that I will be voting none of the above unless there is a good independent councillor up of election because they all have soled out York following the leaders whims without question had it with lib-dams and labour

Score: -27

BethFoxhunter96 says...8:15am Sat 5 Jul 14

The biggest problem identified here is apathy. it's a shame very few esteemed commentors ignore that. Twenty people choose the councillors here. It will be the same for Tories and liberals. so sixty effectively decide who we can all vote for. The problem isn't the local parties. draconianism or even JA. It's that the vast majority of people want to push craps chips into their mouths, watch poor quality tv and moan at each about cycle lanes. This apathy means companies are simply free to override decency, democracy and hope. If everyone who comments here had been at the meeting, we'd be in a very different place!! Bethany

The biggest problem identified here is apathy. it's a shame very few esteemed commentors ignore that. Twenty people choose the councillors here. It will be the same for Tories and liberals. so sixty effectively decide who we can all vote for. The problem isn't the local parties. draconianism or even JA. It's that the vast majority of people want to push craps chips into their mouths, watch poor quality tv and moan at each about cycle lanes. This apathy means companies are simply free to override decency, democracy and hope. If everyone who comments here had been at the meeting, we'd be in a very different place!! BethanyBethFoxhunter96

The biggest problem identified here is apathy. it's a shame very few esteemed commentors ignore that. Twenty people choose the councillors here. It will be the same for Tories and liberals. so sixty effectively decide who we can all vote for. The problem isn't the local parties. draconianism or even JA. It's that the vast majority of people want to push craps chips into their mouths, watch poor quality tv and moan at each about cycle lanes. This apathy means companies are simply free to override decency, democracy and hope. If everyone who comments here had been at the meeting, we'd be in a very different place!! Bethany

Score: 16

perplexed says...8:51am Sat 5 Jul 14

It is a disgrace that Labour appear to be following in the footsteps of the Tories when it comes to removing those who do not fit the bill, for whatever reason. Although they could do far worse than take a leaf out of one of the greatest Tory betrayals of all time over Thatcher and remove Alexander from office!

It is a disgrace that Labour appear to be following in the footsteps of the Tories when it comes to removing those who do not fit the bill, for whatever reason. Although they could do far worse than take a leaf out of one of the greatest Tory betrayals of all time over Thatcher and remove Alexander from office!perplexed

It is a disgrace that Labour appear to be following in the footsteps of the Tories when it comes to removing those who do not fit the bill, for whatever reason. Although they could do far worse than take a leaf out of one of the greatest Tory betrayals of all time over Thatcher and remove Alexander from office!

Score: -18

rat scabies says...7:05pm Sat 5 Jul 14

perplexed wrote…

It is a disgrace that Labour appear to be following in the footsteps of the Tories when it comes to removing those who do not fit the bill, for whatever reason. Although they could do far worse than take a leaf out of one of the greatest Tory betrayals of all time over Thatcher and remove Alexander from office!

York labour are the new (1980's) tories (except a lot worse)

[quote][p][bold]perplexed[/bold] wrote:
It is a disgrace that Labour appear to be following in the footsteps of the Tories when it comes to removing those who do not fit the bill, for whatever reason. Although they could do far worse than take a leaf out of one of the greatest Tory betrayals of all time over Thatcher and remove Alexander from office![/p][/quote]York labour are the new (1980's) tories (except a lot worse)rat scabies

perplexed wrote…

It is a disgrace that Labour appear to be following in the footsteps of the Tories when it comes to removing those who do not fit the bill, for whatever reason. Although they could do far worse than take a leaf out of one of the greatest Tory betrayals of all time over Thatcher and remove Alexander from office!

York labour are the new (1980's) tories (except a lot worse)

Score: -18

rat scabies says...7:20pm Sat 5 Jul 14

Oaklands Resident wrote…

So one of the "new" candidates is Huge Bayley's PA who has sought election to the Council all over the City and never been elected to anything. She doesn't live in Clifton. Never heard of the other guy but there is nothing on the Business Rates register under that name in Clifton? Where's his "business"?

I am a Clifton resident, I voted for Helen as a person (not a Labour party member),i have also voted for Ken for as long as I have been voting, this so called "new" candidate will not be getting my vote! And the neighbours I have spoke to feel the same!

[quote][p][bold]Oaklands Resident[/bold] wrote:
So one of the "new" candidates is Huge Bayley's PA who has sought election to the Council all over the City and never been elected to anything. She doesn't live in Clifton.
Never heard of the other guy but there is nothing on the Business Rates register under that name in Clifton? Where's his "business"?[/p][/quote]I am a Clifton resident, I voted for Helen as a person (not a Labour party member),i have also voted for Ken for as long as I have been voting, this so called "new" candidate will not be getting my vote! And the neighbours I have spoke to feel the same!rat scabies

Oaklands Resident wrote…

So one of the "new" candidates is Huge Bayley's PA who has sought election to the Council all over the City and never been elected to anything. She doesn't live in Clifton. Never heard of the other guy but there is nothing on the Business Rates register under that name in Clifton? Where's his "business"?

I am a Clifton resident, I voted for Helen as a person (not a Labour party member),i have also voted for Ken for as long as I have been voting, this so called "new" candidate will not be getting my vote! And the neighbours I have spoke to feel the same!

Score: -16

wallman says...10:59am Sun 6 Jul 14

'Wise council' pp what planet you on or better still what pills?

'Wise council' pp what planet you on or better still what pills?wallman

'Wise council' pp what planet you on or better still what pills?

Score: -10

Badgers Drift says...1:10pm Sun 6 Jul 14

York1900 wrote…

York Labour party is more like the conservative party than the conservatives Never know a Labour council so ready to do deals with big companies to out source so many services It looks like in 2015 that I will be voting none of the above unless there is a good independent councillor up of election because they all have soled out York following the leaders whims without question had it with lib-dams and labour

Wrong. Look at the 'shift' in more detail. It's all about social innovation; using mutuals, co-ops, CIC's, not for profit orgs. The creative cultural political charitable elitist clique using disruptive strategies to feed 'good growth' and kill the predatory, brutal, forces of capitalism. Wolves in sheep's clothing - marxism is alive in York!

[quote][p][bold]York1900[/bold] wrote:
York Labour party is more like the conservative party than the conservatives Never know a Labour council so ready to do deals with big companies to out source so many services It looks like in 2015 that I will be voting none of the above unless there is a good independent councillor up of election because they all have soled out York following the leaders whims without question had it with lib-dams and labour[/p][/quote]Wrong.
Look at the 'shift' in more detail.
It's all about social innovation; using mutuals, co-ops, CIC's, not for profit orgs.
The creative cultural political charitable elitist clique using disruptive strategies to feed 'good growth' and kill the predatory, brutal, forces of capitalism.
Wolves in sheep's clothing - marxism is alive in York!Badgers Drift

York1900 wrote…

York Labour party is more like the conservative party than the conservatives Never know a Labour council so ready to do deals with big companies to out source so many services It looks like in 2015 that I will be voting none of the above unless there is a good independent councillor up of election because they all have soled out York following the leaders whims without question had it with lib-dams and labour

Wrong. Look at the 'shift' in more detail. It's all about social innovation; using mutuals, co-ops, CIC's, not for profit orgs. The creative cultural political charitable elitist clique using disruptive strategies to feed 'good growth' and kill the predatory, brutal, forces of capitalism. Wolves in sheep's clothing - marxism is alive in York!

Score: -37

the original Homer says...9:40am Mon 7 Jul 14

BethFoxhunter96 wrote…

The biggest problem identified here is apathy. it's a shame very few esteemed commentors ignore that. Twenty people choose the councillors here. It will be the same for Tories and liberals. so sixty effectively decide who we can all vote for. The problem isn't the local parties. draconianism or even JA. It's that the vast majority of people want to push craps chips into their mouths, watch poor quality tv and moan at each about cycle lanes. This apathy means companies are simply free to override decency, democracy and hope. If everyone who comments here had been at the meeting, we'd be in a very different place!! Bethany

There's too much apathy - but who cares?

[quote][p][bold]BethFoxhunter96[/bold] wrote:
The biggest problem identified here is apathy. it's a shame very few esteemed commentors ignore that. Twenty people choose the councillors here. It will be the same for Tories and liberals. so sixty effectively decide who we can all vote for. The problem isn't the local parties. draconianism or even JA. It's that the vast majority of people want to push craps chips into their mouths, watch poor quality tv and moan at each about cycle lanes. This apathy means companies are simply free to override decency, democracy and hope. If everyone who comments here had been at the meeting, we'd be in a very different place!! Bethany[/p][/quote]There's too much apathy - but who cares?the original Homer

BethFoxhunter96 wrote…

The biggest problem identified here is apathy. it's a shame very few esteemed commentors ignore that. Twenty people choose the councillors here. It will be the same for Tories and liberals. so sixty effectively decide who we can all vote for. The problem isn't the local parties. draconianism or even JA. It's that the vast majority of people want to push craps chips into their mouths, watch poor quality tv and moan at each about cycle lanes. This apathy means companies are simply free to override decency, democracy and hope. If everyone who comments here had been at the meeting, we'd be in a very different place!! Bethany

There's too much apathy - but who cares?

Score: 2

jay, york says...8:22pm Mon 7 Jul 14

krites wrote…

"The three were on a shortlist of possible candidates but lost out in a secret ballot on Tuesday, which the Press understands saw fewer than 20 members of the Clifton branch vote in two new candidates." So in effect those 20 people decide who the next councillors for Clifton Ward should be?

Must be the next phase of "20s plenty"

[quote][p][bold]krites[/bold] wrote:
"The three were on a shortlist of possible candidates but lost out in a secret ballot on Tuesday, which the Press understands saw fewer than 20 members of the Clifton branch vote in two new candidates." So in effect those 20 people decide who the next councillors for Clifton Ward should be?[/p][/quote]Must be the next phase of "20s plenty"jay, york

krites wrote…

"The three were on a shortlist of possible candidates but lost out in a secret ballot on Tuesday, which the Press understands saw fewer than 20 members of the Clifton branch vote in two new candidates." So in effect those 20 people decide who the next councillors for Clifton Ward should be?

Must be the next phase of "20s plenty"

Score: -18

jay, york says...8:35pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Jack Ham wrote…

If the claim that long standing, local councillors have been thrown out by a small cabal of activists in order to free up a safe seat for Hugh Bayleys Personal Assistant that that has to be one of the biggest political scandals to hit York in some time. We've known for a while now about the depths some in York Labour will go to to hide, control and massage public perceptions. If this is how they treat their own imagine the contempt they must have for the rest of us. Predictably no comment from the senior leadership. If the York Press wants to do some true old fashioned investigative journalism there can't be a much better story than this - and it just fallen right into their lap!

I think it is fair to say that we all know the contempt this cyc has for us all - they really couldnt make it any clearer!

[quote][p][bold]Jack Ham[/bold] wrote:
If the claim that long standing, local councillors have been thrown out by a small cabal of activists in order to free up a safe seat for Hugh Bayleys Personal Assistant that that has to be one of the biggest political scandals to hit York in some time. We've known for a while now about the depths some in York Labour will go to to hide, control and massage public perceptions. If this is how they treat their own imagine the contempt they must have for the rest of us. Predictably no comment from the senior leadership. If the York Press wants to do some true old fashioned investigative journalism there can't be a much better story than this - and it just fallen right into their lap![/p][/quote]I think it is fair to say that we all know the contempt this cyc has for us all - they really couldnt make it any clearer!jay, york

Jack Ham wrote…

If the claim that long standing, local councillors have been thrown out by a small cabal of activists in order to free up a safe seat for Hugh Bayleys Personal Assistant that that has to be one of the biggest political scandals to hit York in some time. We've known for a while now about the depths some in York Labour will go to to hide, control and massage public perceptions. If this is how they treat their own imagine the contempt they must have for the rest of us. Predictably no comment from the senior leadership. If the York Press wants to do some true old fashioned investigative journalism there can't be a much better story than this - and it just fallen right into their lap!

I think it is fair to say that we all know the contempt this cyc has for us all - they really couldnt make it any clearer!

Score: -20

spragger says...9:07am Tue 8 Jul 14

' saw fewer than 20 members of the Clifton branch vote in two new candidate' Sounds more like Tower Hamlets What is it with Labour & democracy? Remember Falkirk?

' saw fewer than 20 members of the Clifton branch vote in two new candidate'
Sounds more like Tower Hamlets
What is it with Labour & democracy?
Remember Falkirk?spragger

' saw fewer than 20 members of the Clifton branch vote in two new candidate' Sounds more like Tower Hamlets What is it with Labour & democracy? Remember Falkirk?

Score: -24

the original Homer says...1:16pm Tue 8 Jul 14

City of York Labour Party has announced today that Councillors Fiona Fitzpatrick, Sandy Fraser, David Horton, Ruth Potter and Anna Semlyen will retire from the council in 2015.

City of York Labour Party has announced today that Councillors Fiona Fitzpatrick, Sandy Fraser, David Horton, Ruth Potter and Anna Semlyen will retire from the council in 2015.the original Homer

City of York Labour Party has announced today that Councillors Fiona Fitzpatrick, Sandy Fraser, David Horton, Ruth Potter and Anna Semlyen will retire from the council in 2015.

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