Transient Response Tests

Advanced Transient Response Tests

Ιn these tests, we monitor the SX650-G's response in several scenarios. First, a transient load (10A at +12V, 5A at 5V, 5A at 3.3V, and 0.5A at 5VSB) is applied for 200ms as the PSU works at 20 percent load. In the second scenario, it's hit by the same transient load while operating at 50 percent load.

In the next sets of tests, we increase the transient load on the major rails with a new configuration: 15A at +12V, 6A at 5V, 6A at 3.3V, and 0.5A at 5VSB. We also increase the load-changing repetition rate from 5 Hz (200ms) to 50 Hz (20ms). Again, this runs with the PSU operating at 20 and 50 percent load.

The last tests are even tougher. Although we keep the same loads, the load-changing repetition rate rises to 1 kHz (1ms).

In all of the tests, we use an oscilloscope to measure the voltage drops caused by the transient load. The voltages should remain within the ATX specification's regulation limits.

These tests are crucial because they simulate the transient loads a PSU is likely to handle (such as booting a RAID array or an instant 100 percent load of CPU/GPUs). We call these "Advanced Transient Response Tests," and they are designed to be very tough to master, especially for a PSU with a capacity of less than 500W.

Advanced Transient Response at 20 Percent – 200ms

Voltage

Before

After

Change

Pass/Fail

12V

12.083V

11.833V

2.07%

Pass

5V

5.064V

4.932V

2.61%

Pass

3.3V

3.336V

3.195V

4.23%

Pass

5VSB

5.063V

5.008V

1.09%

Pass

Advanced Transient Response at 20 Percent – 20ms

Voltage

Before

After

Change

Pass/Fail

12V

12.083V

11.752V

2.74%

Pass

5V

5.062V

4.901V

3.18%

Pass

3.3V

3.335V

3.178V

4.71%

Pass

5VSB

5.064V

5.020V

0.87%

Pass

Advanced Transient Response at 20 Percent – 1ms

Voltage

Before

After

Change

Pass/Fail

12V

12.083V

11.718V

3.02%

Pass

5V

5.061V

4.876V

3.66%

Pass

3.3V

3.334V

3.182V

4.56%

Pass

5VSB

5.065V

5.027V

0.75%

Pass

Advanced Transient Response at 50 Percent – 200ms

Voltage

Before

After

Change

Pass/Fail

12V

12.042V

11.893V

1.24%

Pass

5V

5.042V

4.917V

2.48%

Pass

3.3V

3.314V

3.174V

4.22%

Pass

5VSB

5.030V

4.974V

1.11%

Pass

Advanced Transient Response at 50 Percent – 20ms

Voltage

Before

After

Change

Pass/Fail

12V

12.044V

11.825V

1.82%

Pass

5V

5.041V

4.891V

2.98%

Pass

3.3V

3.313V

3.179V

4.04%

Pass

5VSB

5.031V

4.982V

0.97%

Pass

Advanced Transient Response at 50 Percent – 1ms

Voltage

Before

After

Change

Pass/Fail

12V

12.045V

11.838V

1.72%

Pass

5V

5.040V

4.877V

3.23%

Pass

3.3V

3.313V

3.172V

4.26%

Pass

5VSB

5.032V

4.996V

0.72%

Pass

The SX650-G didn't do particularly well in these tests. Its 3.3V rail was definitely the weak link, since voltage dropped below 3.2V in every measurement. Moreover, with 20% load, the deviations were notably larger on the +12V rail because the PSU operated its primary switching FETs in PWM mode. At higher loads it uses frequency modulation mode instead.

Here are the oscilloscope screenshots we took during Advanced Transient Response Testing:

Transient Response At 20 Percent Load – 200ms

Transient Response At 20 Percent Load – 20ms

Transient Response At 20 Percent Load – 1ms

Transient Response At 50 Percent Load – 200ms

Transient Response At 50 Percent Load – 20ms

Transient Response At 50 Percent Load – 1ms

Turn-On Transient Tests

In the next set of tests, we measure the SX650-G’s response in simpler transient load scenarios—during its power-on phase.

For our first measurement, we turn the SX650-G off, dial in the maximum current the 5VSB rail can handle, and switch the PSU back on. In the second test, we dial the maximum load the +12V rail can handle and start the PSU while it is in standby mode. In the last test, while the PSU is completely switched off (we cut off the power or switch the PSU off), we dial the maximum load the +12V rail can handle before restoring power. The ATX specification states that recorded spikes on all rails should not exceed 10 percent of their nominal values (+10 percent for 12V is 13.2V, and 5.5V for 5V).

I'm surprised a PSU with 85 degrees caps *and* only 3 years warranty is given such a good score ...

jimmysmitty

1879700 said:

Hey,
I'm surprised a PSU with 85 degrees caps *and* only 3 years warranty is given such a good score ...

What I found interesting is the praise he gives the SF600 here yet the review he did of it gives it the same score as this unit, 7/10.

He also had a ton of cons on the SF600 review that are just, well sorry but some are stupid. No Berg Adapter? Who even needs one of those these days? I doubt this PSU even has a berg adapter.

So why does the SF600 which has better components (105c caps) and a better warranty (5 years) AND performs better apart from a heavier load on the not as used 5v and 3.3v rails causing the fan to spin up rate the same as this PSU?

As mentioned in the article as well its cheaper and the Platinum version is, if you can find it, MSRP $10 bucks more (I found the Silverstone for $20 bucks less than the SF 600 Platinum on Newegg) and it has even better performance, components and a 10 year warranty.

So again, how does this rate a 7/10 like a better PSU?

crmaris

When you criticise that someone talks stupid, you should be extra careful not to fall into the same trap

Berg adapter, there are still some people that want it so why not include it? From the moment it is an adapter (so it doesn't alter the modular cables) and only costs some cents.

The final rating isn't up to the performance only! But the overall picture including the product's usability. The SF600 is a great unit but has a major flaw. It only has two PCIe connectors! So you cannot fully utilize its 600W max power. While on the contrary the SilverStone unit has four of them. To give you an example it has exactly the same cable configuration with the SF450.

Please take a better look at the epilogue of each of the reviews and you will get the meaning. The ratings are just a number to provide a rough idea and nothing more. Else I wouldn't bother write so much in the end of each review and list or pros and cons.

jimmysmitty

1834552 said:

When you criticise that someone talks stupid, you should be extra careful not to fall into the same trap
Berg adapter, there are still some people that want it so why not include it? From the moment it is an adapter (so it doesn't alter the modular cables) and only costs some cents.
The final rating isn't up to the performance only! But the overall picture including the product's usability. The SF600 is a great unit but has a major flaw. It only has two PCIe connectors! So you cannot fully utilize its 600W max power. While on the contrary the SilverStone unit has four of them. To give you an example it has exactly the same cable configuration with the SF450.
Please take a better look at the epilogue of each of the reviews and you will get the meaning. The ratings are just a number to provide a rough idea and nothing more. Else I wouldn't bother write so much in the end of each review and list or pros and cons.

Was not stating that the person was stupid. Just that the con was stupid as the berg connection is not used in the majority of PC products much like how Molex is dying off in favor of the SATA connector. I have not seen a berg connection in a modern PC build for some time.

As for the PCIe connectors, that's a fair "con". Notice I didn't mention it. I don't even think you can buy one like it for Corsairs PSUs and the only one I can think might have had a split single cable was the older CX series although I would personally never use one.

So if we look at cons, then why did the SF600 get "dinged" for not having a ATX adapter but this did not?

BTW I was incorrect. The SF600 has a 7 year warranty not 5. That's more than double, better grade components and cheaper. When I look at a PSU the biggest concern is build quality. Sure it would be nice to have some of the extras but I personally think build quality is the most important part. This PSU has a lower grade build, less warranty but hey it includes an out dated adapter and you can hook up two higher end GPUs to it so it rates the same.

I personally don't feel like the two PSUs are in the same class nor deserve the same rating. To each their own.

Let me clarify my reasoning. I don't want to sound like a jerk. Users will utilize this as a solid rating and a reason to buy or not buy. They wont always read the entire verdict or review.

It is much like Amazon or Newegg reviews. People will look at the average star rating. They wont actually look at the actual reviews and if a product has 1000+ reviews I don't blame them however sometimes you can go into a product and look at the review and see that it may have no bearing on the products actual quality.

Basically having a PSU that has lower performance, lower warranty and lower quality components rated the same as another with better quality will lead people who are not in depth tech savvy people to think they could buy either one and get the same quality.

If you do feel that the rating/score is that unimportant than maybe the end should consist of pros/cons and a verdict with no score? However I do suggest to keep the pros and cons consistent as nicking one PSU for one thing but the other not feels a bit off.

Dark Lord of Tech

I have the SF600 it's a gem , the best in it's class in my opinion.

Dark Lord of Tech

Nice review , thanks ARIS!

SilverStone Guy

149725 said:

I personally think build quality is the most important part. This PSU has a lower grade build, less warranty but hey it includes an out dated adapter and you can hook up two higher end GPUs to it so it rates the same.
I personally don't feel like the two PSUs are in the same class nor deserve the same rating. To each their own.

In regards to build quality, the SX650-G is no less than that of SF600, besides the bulk cap being lower in temperature rating at 85C (which itself is a high quality brand and part btw, and we do extensive testing to make sure cooling is sufficient for it to last), everything else on the PCB is on par or better. And besides the core components, we've shown over at jonnyGURU, the fan we used in SX650-G is definitely better than SF600. The cables we included are also arguably better quality as well because they are more flexible.

Many people don't realize increasing power output by 50W in SFX at the current 600W+ level is much more difficult of an engineering exercise than for ATX PSUs. I think in some ways this review article is also at fault for marginalizing SX650-G's 50W power increase over the SF600. Our SX600-G was released in 2014 and SX650-G in 2017, so that means it took three years to make an SFX PSU more powerful by 50W (while making it perform better, quieter, with more connectors, etc...) for around the same price!

jimmysmitty

1773929 said:

149725 said:

I personally think build quality is the most important part. This PSU has a lower grade build, less warranty but hey it includes an out dated adapter and you can hook up two higher end GPUs to it so it rates the same.
I personally don't feel like the two PSUs are in the same class nor deserve the same rating. To each their own.

In regards to build quality, the SX650-G is no less than that of SF600, besides the bulk cap being lower in temperature rating at 85C (which itself is a high quality brand and part btw, and we do extensive testing to make sure cooling is sufficient for it to last), everything else on the PCB is on par or better. And besides the core components, we've shown over at jonnyGURU, the fan we used in SX650-G is definitely better than SF600. The cables we included are also arguably better quality as well because they are more flexible.
Many people don't realize increasing power output by 50W in SFX at the current 600W+ level is much more difficult of an engineering exercise than for ATX PSUs. I think in some ways this review article is also at fault for marginalizing SX650-G's 50W power increase over the SF600. Our SX600-G was released in 2014 and SX650-G in 2017, so that means it took three years to make an SFX PSU more powerful by 50W (while making it perform better, quieter, with more connectors, etc...) for around the same price!

Ok if you state the parts are equal to or better than a review by the same guy should result in an equivalent or better score correct?

Not bashing it. Just based on the reviews I found outside of this one show it isn't the same grade as the SF600 Gold unit. If you feel it is truly equal or better then the numbers need to prove it where it counts, the performance. Cables and fans are one side. They don't always outweigh the cons though. I also think that if you feel that way that the warranty should match.