Mr Hanson: to be directly relevant, I have asked a very simple question. An answer yes or no would suffice. If the minister cannot guarantee it then he should say so.

MADAM SPEAKER: There is no point of order. The minister has one minute and 23 seconds left, and he may get to a more explicit response to your question, Mr Hanson.

MR RAMSAY: Explicitly, I wonder whether the Canberra Liberals would like the government to take all of the money; they have been running a scare campaign saying that we would be doing that. We are not doing that. I am pleased that the ongoing discretion will stay with the clubs, and the clubs will be able to make the decisions, as they have in the past, in future years as well.

MR HANSON: Minister, can you guarantee that veterans groups will receive the same support without additional costs or administrative burdens imposed by the changes?

MR RAMSAY: I refer Mr Hanson to my previous answer.

MS LAWDER: Minister, can you guarantee that veterans groups will not be discriminated against or miss out under your new scheme?

MR RAMSAY: I can guarantee that as, clubs exercise their discretion, they will be exercising their discretion in the way that they have in the past.

MADAM SPEAKER: Mr Pettersson.

Mr Coe: A great guarantee that is.

Mr Ramsay: It is not up to me to be telling the clubs what they are doing, is it? Isn't that what you are saying?

MADAM SPEAKER: Members across the floor, can we stop. Mr Pettersson is on his feet for a question.

Crime—robbery

MR PETTERSSON: My question is to the Minister for Police and Emergency Services: what update do you have on aggravated robberies, particularly against licensed clubs?

MR GENTLEMAN: I thank Mr Pettersson for his interest in safety across our community. Unlike those opposite, we do no set out to scare Canberrans. Unlike those opposite, we work hard. In this place yesterday Mr Coe spoke about crime in his contribution to part 1.6 of the approp bill. In making that contribution he showed why he is so unfit to lead and unfit to govern. He did no research. He did not bother to look up the latest updates provided by ACT Policing on aggravated robberies. Instead, he ran out an outdated scare campaign. And he was wrong.