Wish I could agree here. He had over 38 hours to reply to people's questions, after saying he looked forward to people's thoughts. Yet he chose
not to say one word after being questioned. He posted five replies, then said nothing....even though he was posting on twitter.

So, I don't feel bad for the op. He had many chances, and crapped his credibility away. If you post a sensational thread such as he did, you BETTER
be prepared to answer all questions.

Originally posted by nenothtu
It should be pointed out that "functional pixel size" isn't the same as the "physical sensor size" in CCDs, which is why you calculated using the
actual pixel dimensions of the sensor.

Yes! And thanks for the full explanations and calculations, no doubt that it will be useful for future UFO photos.

It might be a good idea to open a thread laying out the technical details of photo analysis, for people who are of a mind to do the calculations
themselves. It would necessarily be pretty involved, as there is a lot of ground to cover, and I'm not up to it, since my "explanations" are at
times not all that clear, but it still might be a good idea for someone better versed at teaching concepts than I am.

Optics... CCD technology... Geometry and trig... even atmospherics, ALL figure into it, regardless of the technology visible in photos. "Alien
technology" and how it works is irrelevant to what the observer SEES - those observations can be measured and quantified in human terms, since it is
human eyeballs and human technology doing the observing and recording.

Those can be worked with and analyzed, independent of the technology under observation.

Originally posted by amongus
Wish I could agree here. He had over 38 hours to reply to people's questions, after saying he looked forward to people's thoughts. Yet he chose
not to say one word after being questioned. He posted five replies, then said nothing....even though he was posting on twitter.

So, I don't feel bad for the op. He had many chances, and crapped his credibility away. If you post a sensational thread such as he did, you BETTER
be prepared to answer all questions.

If you submit three pictures and a puppy story to the largest group of UFO enthusiast's ever gathered.

There are going to be pages of questions. If you can't take the heat. Get out of the kitchen.

I also think the site is protective from would-be hoaxer's.

People love to make the UFO subject a joke. That only an idiot would believe it.

We have been ridiculed long enough. Only serious evidence will advance our cause.

Originally posted by nenothtu
It might be a good idea to open a thread laying out the technical details of photo analysis, for people who are of a mind to do the calculations
themselves. It would necessarily be pretty involved, as there is a lot of ground to cover, and I'm not up to it, since my "explanations" are at
times not all that clear, but it still might be a good idea for someone better versed at teaching concepts than I am.

Optics... CCD technology... Geometry and trig... even atmospherics, ALL figure into it, regardless of the technology visible in photos. "Alien
technology" and how it works is irrelevant to what the observer SEES - those observations can be measured and quantified in human terms, since it is
human eyeballs and human technology doing the observing and recording.

Those can be worked with and analyzed, independent of the technology under observation.

I agree with you on most of what you said, but he did respond for three pages! GEL from the first page was calling hoax before the exif data had even
been listed. Its one thing to question the OP to try to get to the bottom of things, however that seems to be the blanket excuse for prematurely
debunking most UFO threads. If I was the OP I would have bounced too! You can't expect to get answers to questions when you are calling him a liar
from the beginning. On top of that people posted his home address! What would you expect the poor guy to do?

I agree with you on most of what you said, but he did respond for three pages! GEL from the first page was calling hoax before the exif data had even
been listed. Its one thing to question the OP to try to get to the bottom of things, however that seems to be the blanket excuse for prematurely
debunking most UFO threads. If I was the OP I would have bounced too! You can't expect to get answers to questions when you are calling him a liar
from the beginning. On top of that people posted his home address! What would you expect the poor guy to do?

Answer questions. That's what I expect when you start a thread like this. The op KNEW he was going to get grilled...he did some grilling himself in
previous posts of his in other threads...it's not like he didn't know ATS was going to come at him, justifiably so. He just turtled....

If I was the OP I would have bounced too! You can't expect to get answers to questions when you are calling him a liar from the beginning. On top of
that people posted his home address! What would you expect the poor guy to do?

He posted his own home address, albeit probably unwittingly, when he posted the photos with a GPS location in the metadata, and stated it was taken
just back of his house.

ETA: It's not difficult to find a home address if you have an ID to work with. All the location in the photos really added to was the ability to
analyze them by making ground measurements of the location.

So what kind of argument is that " the op knew he was gonna get grilled" ?!? So This forum and the members here take pride in what they call an
"intellectual" place. And You Think its normal people should expect to get grilled ?

My my what an upside-down world we live in. Yes I see allot of intellectual statements here.

And one more thing : I did some moderating in my time and rule number 1: A moderator doesn't take part of a discussion, that's not your job when
moderating, rule 2 A moderator should have an objective voice.

The first is often forgotten on ATS
and the second i didn't see what so ever here.

So what kind of argument is that " the op knew he was gonna get grilled" ?!? So This forum and the members here take pride in what they call an
"intellectual" place. And You Think its normal people should expect to get grilled ?

My my what an upside-down world we live in. Yes I see allot of intellectual statements here.

And one more thing : I did some moderating in my time and rule number 1: A moderator doesn't take part of a discussion, that's not your job when
moderating, rule 2 A moderator should have an objective voice.

The first is often forgotten on ATS
and the second i didn't see what so ever here.

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When you post sensational pics on ATS, YES you should expect to be grilled. The problem is the op left without answering the majority of questions,
so of course the grilling and speculation was going to kick into high gear.

Yes, I also see "allot" of intellectual statements as well. Or, a lot.

The fact that you insist the OP should expect to get grilled leaves me wondering what the average IQ is around here.

So the white guy walking in the ghetto should expect to get mugged ( no racism intended)
And define sensational picture ?
So if its a blurry blimp it most be an artifact or a hoax
if its a clear picture its a hoax since it'l get labeled CGI

Do you realize how fracked up this way of thinking has become? If its a film on youtube its a hoax since youtube is full of hoaxes. And yes these are
known debunk arguments.

I get it, there have been a lot of hoaxes and there is a vetting process that takes place here. I totally support that as I have said before, I just
don't care for how that process has been going down lately. It should be a level playing field but its really more of a bully pulpit mentality from
the debunkers!

John Paul Zodeaux claims to successfully have argued in court that he does not need a drivers license to drive an automobile in America. When I ask
for proof, he refuses to furnish it. We argue for several pages, where he quite clearly cherry picks portions of the state laws I posted in an
attempt to "prove" what he is saying. But, he is quite clearly lying and making things up, as anyone who can read can see plainly.

So why isnt he banned yet? Just wondering. It seems to be the same thing.

Originally posted by ThisToiletEarth
But I don't come on here for judgment of what I saw.

No one comes here to be 'judged' Mr ThisToiletEarth.

They come here to share, explore possibilities and find answers (and I guess, some like to hoax too).

But I respectfully ask you to show me ONE person, let alone one member on ATS, whose sole purpose is to be judged by others. That's not within our
natural human instincts. In fact, it's the opposite. We all want to be accepted unconditionally not judged!

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