tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post7278997573146247335..comments2018-03-14T09:54:12.605-04:00Comments on Honor's Code: The Hybrid QuestionHonors Codehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10603644804340531952noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-13931992873779964192010-05-20T15:21:48.457-04:002010-05-20T15:21:48.457-04:00Three roles? Might I suggest that the number of r...Three roles? Might I suggest that the number of roles is actually FOUR: tank, healer, melee DPS, ranged DPS. Paladins are still a three-role hybrid, but druids are the only universal class covering all four.<br /><br />Really, I don&#39;t mind the burden of building extra PvE sets, because it allows me to shift from role to role as needed in a way that a &quot;pure&quot; class cannot.<br /><br />In the end, more flexibility = more time in raid, and less occurrences of being swapped to the bench.Forreststumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01424315448841746864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-9372238943402640262010-05-17T18:56:20.398-04:002010-05-17T18:56:20.398-04:00So Honor&#39;s the real question is do you want to...So Honor&#39;s the real question is do you want to be a pure and have lots of assets/gold, a mage with lolust, a hybrid with brez, or a hybrid with lust? because everything after that is semantics and can either be broken into close quarters or ranged.<br /><br /><br />Wankster of MagAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-27190875796240207122010-05-17T14:30:39.672-04:002010-05-17T14:30:39.672-04:00Aga,
Your conclusions are based on external facto...Aga,<br /><br />Your conclusions are based on external factors of the raid needing to change compositions consistently, all the time. If your a good rogue, the raid leader brings the good rogue to fill a melee dps spot. If the raid leader needs a good healer, get one. But basing the need for a dps hybrid to do less dps because in two hours down the road they can respec and heal a different encounter just does not add up. If the raid constantly needs a normal hybrid dps player to always respec out of need from others dropping then I would say they need to replace a full time raider, not stack a raid with hybrids who &quot;might&quot; need to heal at some unknown point.Bluehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11223993249651089731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-37365638019233097792010-05-17T13:53:11.296-04:002010-05-17T13:53:11.296-04:00You only have to stack Pallys that much if you hav...You only have to stack Pallys that much if you have a raid with a extreme onesided amount of dps. If you, for example, have only 6-7 healers and 3 Tanks and always fear that 1-2 of them have no time, stacking pallys would be a way out although even than, stacking pallys would mean like 3-4 of them and not whatever you possibly had in mind - not that I would know what you had in mind ^^ <br /><br />*cough* <br /><br />long story somehow shorter:<br />I always read of this harsh decision there you have to decide between a hybrid and a pure and ofc always a tank or healer is needed. What we had waaaaaay often in our 25 was the other case - we had 1-2 healers to much or a third, fourth tank where we did not need them and the choice was:<br />who is the better damage dealer? <br /><br />How is that fair now? ;) <br />I hope it is somehow possible to see where i am going with this -.-Thornednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-72377428418501487112010-05-17T12:05:43.249-04:002010-05-17T12:05:43.249-04:00Honors,
You have been beating the &quot;End the h...Honors,<br /><br />You have been beating the &quot;End the hybrid tax&quot; drum forever.<br /><br />The problem is that, lets say at the end of the day you have a rogue and a pally in your guild. Equally geared, equally skilled. They output the same DPS.<br /><br />Something happens in your raid and you need more healers or tanks over the course of the night. The Pally can also fill one of those roles. The rogue cannot.<br /><br />As a raid leader (over time), I then choose to stack my raids with pallys. Just for the flexability.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFuMpYTyRjw<br /><br />Did you ever play Ultima online?<br /><br />The game quickly devolved into essentially a one class one spec max talent game. <br /><br /><br />-Agg, Formerly Agama, Formerly Agamemgnome.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-89279367035420477432010-05-17T10:46:49.615-04:002010-05-17T10:46:49.615-04:00Should &quot;just&quot; being able to respec to a ...Should &quot;just&quot; being able to respec to a different role from fight to fight justify doing less damage in a hybrid dps role? I do not think it should. There really is no hybrid that could perform well in a different role within the encounter. (Aside from my heroic shield wall/insta death to save the raid and get a brez off on you or boston to get our first Marrowgar kill, of course.)<br /><br />I suppose the age old &quot;hybrid bringing buffs&quot; stuff is still valid in a few select cases, but since so many pures bring similar buffs it really is not as important as it once was. Basically does flexability = justified hybrid tax?Bluehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11223993249651089731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-57989622877119952152010-05-17T08:50:39.418-04:002010-05-17T08:50:39.418-04:00@Wank,
You have assumed the Ret Paladin in your e...@Wank,<br /><br />You have assumed the Ret Paladin in your example has a full set of T9 tanking gear, and while that is technically possible its not likely. During the time frame of your example, heroic dropped Conquest badges which would have only purchased T8 level gear. A pug would be very leary of taking an undergeared tank in those early days. Now maybe you could say your Ret got his gear running 10s and 25s for badges. A pure could have used those badges to build a set of pvp gear or buy gems to sell for gold. Or the pure could have chosen to not run content four times and not affected his character as much. I know, it was offspec gear from raids. Unless your guild just does /roll for loot, those offspec pieces cost the Ret something, perhaps DKP.<br /> <br />Hybrids DO have an advantage in being able to fulfill more than one roll. What I wanted to point out was that Pures also have advantages. It just the advantages of Pures are different. So the choice between pure and hybrid is a choice of which set if advantages the player wants, and not a choice between advantages versus no advantages.Honors Codehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10603644804340531952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-68981379820047954442010-05-17T00:38:11.592-04:002010-05-17T00:38:11.592-04:00Let me layout a hypothetical &quot;hybrid advantag...Let me layout a hypothetical &quot;hybrid advantage&quot;:<br /><br />You are a ret pally right when tier 10 is released. You raid with a 10 man guild and you have a tank set in the bank. So even though you have to switch up your second spec based on whether you want to pvp, heal, etc etc, it&#39;s in there. Now you know that you don&#39;t need a BiS tank set to do the new 25 man voa boss, so you pug it. Do you really expect to get anything from this boss from a pug other then badges, not really, especially knowing that your playing ret. So you go in as a tank. <br /><br />Long story short, the way I see it is that with the shift in focus to 10 man raiding in cataclysm, and with the gated collection of points per week. Being a hybrid will be a bonus so if you miss out on something, you can more easily pug a 10 or 25 as a support role. Same ilvl gear drops from regular mode, limited point collection, and 10 and 25 sharing lockout&#39;s. If anything raid leaders will be looking to bring a bloodlust, a brez, and whatever special mechanic makes the fights easier, everything after that is just gravy.<br /><br /><br />Wankster of MagtheridonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3190673057769546823.post-82511817400684676942010-05-17T00:34:44.155-04:002010-05-17T00:34:44.155-04:00The hybrid tax is a myth, at least it is now. Let...The hybrid tax is a myth, at least it is now. Let me point to a post by GC...<br /><br />&quot;There is not a “5% rule” that says pures should be 5% higher than hybrids in every circumstance. Again, most of the time other factors such as the encounter specifics will have a greater effect. The “5% rule” was either something a player suggested that stuck or something we threw out at some point as an example. It isn’t a hard and fast rule. We aren’t going to provide a hard and fast rule because players would then attempt to invoke that rule every time they thought their damage was too low instead of exploring other ways to improve their character’s performance.&quot;<br /><br /><a href="http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20677330431&amp;sid=1" rel="nofollow">The GC Comments</a><br /><br />I will contend if the numbers are not significant enough for a noticeable disparity, then the hybrid tax doesn’t really exist. If a rogue can put out more damage than a shaman only half the time, the tax isn’t enough to even talk about. If the number is a miniscule percent where movement, skill, or server communication can contribute to overcoming the hybrid tax, it doesn’t really exist. If there is no hard and fast rule with which to compare because the answer will always be L2P Noob, it doesn’t really exist. Make no mistake, GC’s comment of “It isn’t a hard and fast rule. We aren’t going to provide a hard and fast rule because players would then attempt to invoke that rule every time they thought their damage was too low instead of exploring other ways to improve their character’s performance” is the politically correct way of saying L2P. The hybrid tax, though historically brutal, doesn&#39;t exist anymore, and it shouldn&#39;t because we a hybrid pays enough in taxes already. Both in the ones you alluded to, and even a few extras.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.rawrcast.com/2009/10/on-behalf-of-all-hybrids-how-many-taxes-do-we-have-to-pay/" rel="nofollow">On Behalf of All Hybrids; How many taxes do we have to pay?</a>Rhabellanoreply@blogger.com