@Fred G: Tell RedSpideR that the better_banner.jpg is part of the Seti screensaver & graphics. It's the static banner in the left lower corner. So it's not something he downloaded with a payload. It is part of Seti.

The word "cheating" makes my skin crawl. I'm not being high and mighty, but have you ever played golf with someone who cheats? It's frustrating, angering and feels like a waste of time and money. Now please understand, I do not ever intend to abandon SETI or BOINC projects. Never. But I sure do hope, as do you all, that this issue is resolved ASAP for the sake of the reputation of the project. If for no other reason, it's a potetially irresistable juicy carrot to dangle in front of Black Hats.

My $.02

@Jim: I've been trying to find the words to say how I feel about this entire situation and you hit it spot on. I would like to see some resolution to this issue just to have some closure and let other people know that this will not be tolerated. I believe that some of the strong words here by dedicated SETI/BOINC members have proven that people are taking this seriously and I believe it should be dealt with in the same serious manner by the powers-that-be.

That is my .02 (making .04 cents on this subject for you bean counters out there).

On a side note, has anyone heard from the alleged-person-who-did-this-deed (other than the emails mentioned above)? I still find it odd that this person hasn't tried to clear this up.

On a side note, has anyone heard from the alleged-person-who-did-this-deed (other than the emails mentioned above)? I still find it odd that this person hasn't tried to clear this up.

I guess he may be too busy now with wiping out drives on all his own machines, and reformatting them to hide the tracks :) (yes, yes, I know, he may be innocent and just does not want to comment it at all)trux BOINC softwareFreediving Team
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The word "cheating" makes my skin crawl. I'm not being high and mighty, but have you ever played golf with someone who cheats? It's frustrating, angering and feels like a waste of time and money. Now please understand, I do not ever intend to abandon SETI or BOINC projects. Never. But I sure do hope, as do you all, that this issue is resolved ASAP for the sake of the reputation of the project. If for no other reason, it's a potetially irresistable juicy carrot to dangle in front of Black Hats.

My $.02

@Jim: I've been trying to find the words to say how I feel about this entire situation and you hit it spot on. I would like to see some resolution to this issue just to have some closure and let other people know that this will not be tolerated. I believe that some of the strong words here by dedicated SETI/BOINC members have proven that people are taking this seriously and I believe it should be dealt with in the same serious manner by the powers-that-be.

That is my .02 (making .04 cents on this subject for you bean counters out there).

On a side note, has anyone heard from the alleged-person-who-did-this-deed (other than the emails mentioned above)? I still find it odd that this person hasn't tried to clear this up.

It has increased since I started this thread. He had a RAC of 121,566 and now has a RAC of 126,279 It also sounds like he's going to be able to stick around after all of this. Not good at all!

>Fred

Well at this point in the investigation, obviously he is being given the benefit of the doubt.

Since I'm reaonably certain the German authorities seriously frown on activities which result in computer theft of services, if the investigation leads to the conclusion this was deliberate on his part, then the SAH team will take appropriate steps to adjust the project statistics and impose any other penalties to the perps they see fit.

for god's sake just get over it will you fair enough someone has sent a worm that has hijacked machines to process SETI work and deliver the credit to some person.

Distributed computing is all about Science not credits so so long as these results are crunching science I don't see it as a problem.

I agree it's about the Science and not the credits, however, in reality it's competition that motivates the majority of our crunchers. Taking away the competition by allowing cheaters to continue will ruin SETI. Either they will go to another DC project or they will start cheating also. Regardless the fact that the science is getting done it has to be stopped here and now.

for god's sake just get over it will you fair enough someone has sent a worm that has hijacked machines to process SETI work and deliver the credit to some person.

Distributed computing is all about Science not credits so so long as these results are crunching science I don't see it as a problem.

I agree it's about the Science and not the credits, however, in reality it's competition that motivates the majority of our crunchers. Taking away the competition by allowing cheaters to continue will ruin SETI. Either they will go to another DC project or they will start cheating also. Regardless the fact that the science is getting done it has to be stopped here and now.

>Fred

Maybe so but everyone knows this is a false account so just ignore it when comparing statsJoin us in Chat (see the forum) Click the Sig

for god's sake just get over it will you fair enough someone has sent a worm that has hijacked machines to process SETI work and deliver the credit to some person.

Distributed computing is all about Science not credits so so long as these results are crunching science I don't see it as a problem.

Advancing Science is the goal in Distributed Computing, but only by choices made by the persons donating their computer time to a specific project. The perception of each volunteer is that they will add some small bit of proccesed information, get some kind of benefit for doing so, and not be harmed by doing this.

Volunteers don't like the idea of their accounts being hijacked for someone elses "Science". Non volunteers don't want to run work for anyone, let alone without their knowledge. To the average computer user,the perception of Science equals just another malware program, when it sneaks in the backdoor.

Maybe so but everyone knows this is a false account so just ignore it when comparing stats

That is just notgoodenough.com. I guess I haven't gotten that worked up over this yet, because I expect the perp to have his account deleted if found guilty.

Anything less sends a bad message to the community. It also sends a bad message to contributors, who rely on the stats as their main reward and motivation for contributing their CPU cycles to the project.

If Berkeley tolerates this with a "slap on the wrist", my entire image of them will change drastically.http://www.setiusa.net