It is known that the PAK FA will get stealthy pod mounted sensors for ground attack missions.

Most CAS missions are not really suited to stealth aircraft, though the new 5th gen stealthy CAS aircraft they are developing will be custom designed for the role unlike the F-35.

_________________“The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion […] but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.”

― Samuel P. Huntington, The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order

Except that only 4,5,7 and 8 are usable most of the time to retain stealth... and 6 is not a store location is it?

When not being stealthy the locations 3 and 9 will most likely almost always carry external fuel tanks.

_________________“The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion […] but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.”

― Samuel P. Huntington, The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order

GarryB wrote:Except that only 4,5,7 and 8 are usable most of the time to retain stealth... and 6 is not a store location is it?

When not being stealthy the locations 3 and 9 will most likely almost always carry external fuel tanks.

This is just a propaganda sheet of the attack variant. For WVR combat the AF variant is extremely bulky and its performance is moreover limited by having only a single engine, with a reduced T/W ratio.

The design was basically compromised for VSTOL, which reduces the performance of all the non VSTOL versions...

It should be a 5th gen light stealthy F-16. It has ended up more like the AV-8 II... a more limited aircraft.... not a bad one... just not as good as it could be.

_________________“The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion […] but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.”

― Samuel P. Huntington, The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order

The usual argument. If chineses do something comparable to US, it is because of ...they copy it. How little yellows could do that other than copy the civilization ?In fact american establishment is fondamentaly rascist, arrogant, and true uglies. Those who copy the most are americans, those who steal the most are americans, the only one who loot other countries are US. But, when they do that, they are right, because they do only in the goal to save the democraty, and human rights, women rights.If you tell me the J-15, J-16 are copies of SU-27, indeed, it is true. If you said me the J-10 is a copy of the Mig-29, yes, it is somewhat a version of copy. About the F-35 and the F-22, where is the problem, the JSF is a momunental setback in the aircrafts' history, and the F-22 is far to be US staff expected. Chineses, russians managed to avoid tragic US errors. It seems it is a successfully road, american's establishement again is jealous.When I was younger, I grew up with the idea that soviets lacked of technologies, all their technologies are a mere ironsmith. Soviet could not create, but could only steal US technologies. This is the sad stupidies what we were taught during 50's to 80's. Nevertheless, decades after, thanks to Internet, near all US hardware were crushed during most of the conflicts by the so-called soviet-ironsmith. Furthermore, US hardwares were often outclassed by soviet technologies. Nevertheleess, we had to believe those who control the media, those who brought you informations.And now, we could easily expect that the F-35, as their famous F-22 will be surely the next sitting duck of the J-11, j-15, j-16, j-20, j-31. As there were the case for the Phantom II, and F-105, against Mig-17, Mig-19, Mig-21.

F-15 is a copy of MiG-25, but with increased ground attack capability and decreased air-to-air combat.

F-16 is a copy of Ye-8, but with no canard, simplified air inhale, and fly-by-wire techs. It went to Israel and became Lavi, then Lavi went to China and became J-10. Due to military sanction, China had to bought avionics devices and others from Russia, the country who created the original Ye-8.

And in an ironic twist of history, Ye-8 departed from Russia and went back to Russia to be improved.

EU Typhoon is a more modern and complicated copy of Ye-8, too.

For Russia, AK-47's bolt of Russia is copied from M1 Garand. However, AK bolt lugs are very big compared to M1 Garand, so that the AK bolt can withstand a much better force.

The problem here is we have to move upward based on the shoulder of our predecessors. So copying is not really a bad thing. The things here is how we improve and modify it.

Regarding the picture above (loadout), what about range? with that load it must have a very near airbase or some tankers, Dont like it a single bit. Stealth doing CAS...it just meh. Or you use it like a F-117 or is just a hugely expensive F-16 But i guess everyone knows that by now

Well it is known that the US bought technology regarding vectored thrust on a large powerful engine for the F-35 because no western company had experience with vectored thrust nozzles that could handle a powerful engine in full AB.

All through the cold war however the US was trying as desperately to steal Soviet technology as the Soviets were to steal US technology.

In fact the US continues to use these same methods to spy on Russian and ex Soviet and Chinese and also from Americas allies.

BTW just because the Chinese stole information about the F-35 it doesn't mean they will make one... they might just use the information to find weaknesses their own designs can exploit.

_________________“The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion […] but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.”

― Samuel P. Huntington, The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order

Funny, americunts accusing china of theft of F-35 technology where the US stole YAK-141 engine technology.

How did it steal it?

Working together=/= stealing.

Working together during the 90's with YAK company untill the point where US got all information and technology needed to do it themselfs and than afterwards dropping YAK from the JSF engine programm is stealing.

If i use your work to the point it benefits me and drop you later that you can't benefit later is nothing else but stealing of technology.

Funny, americunts accusing china of theft of F-35 technology where the US stole YAK-141 engine technology.

How did it steal it?

Working together=/= stealing.

No, but never giving a hint of credit in any way or form to prior achievements is still a low blow, and is typical of American propaganda (never outright lie, just withhold the truth). The only grudging respect I've heard Lockheed give was directed towards the Harrier. Outside of allied funding, they're extremely slow to talk about other country's participation, even when it comes to bedmates.

Not that any country in its right mind should want association with this farce of a project, let alone Russia.