"He went on two legs, wore clothes and was a human being, but nevertheless he was in reality a wolf of the Steppes. He had learned a good deal . . . and was a fairly clever fellow. What he had not learned, however, was this: to find contentment in himself and his own life. The cause of this apparently was that at the bottom of his heart he knew all the time (or thought he knew) that he was in reality not a man, but a wolf of the Steppes."

Now here is a question I am curious about. Are the "contract" post offices federal property? By contract I mean the ones that have signs saying operated by XYZ corp under license of the postal service and the employees are wearing street clothes. The one I am thinking of also has common plaza parking shared with other stores.

Now here is a question I am curious about. Are the "contract" post offices federal property? By contract I mean the ones that have signs saying operated by XYZ corp under license of the postal service and the employees are wearing street clothes. The one I am thinking of also has common plaza parking shared with other stores.

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Typically yes... normally anything leased by or serving as a Federal office is considered federal property. You can't carry into the Army recruiting office in the mall, for example.

livewire9880, thank you for the clarification. I agree that the best approach is, when it doubt, don't bring it. or don't go.

On the subject of "leaving my gun where??", I had a similar situation this last weekend. I mention it because the situation does highlight the sort of things that we encounter. On Saturday, I picked my wife up from where she was working at a holiday market. On the way home she decided she wanted to stop at an ABC store for her choice of poison. The plan was that since I was carrying that she would go in and I would wait outside as the location is posted with gun-buster signs. There was a small crowd outside going in and out of the store that made her uncomfortable. They didn't look like bangers, but they didn't look like particular high caliber either, they were customers, but there were a fair number socializing outside the door, She didn't want to go in by herself. At the same time, I didn't want to noticeably "disarm", least one of them notice and decide that it is an opportunity to grab a brick and then grab a free gun. The choices: go home without (and listen to my wife), go to another store across town and hope for a different customer base (20 miles, 30 minutes with no guarantees), disarm and take the risks associated with that, or go in anyway and on the unlikely event that I am called out, leave.

livewire9880, thank you for the clarification. I agree that the best approach is, when it doubt, don't bring it. or don't go.

On the subject of "leaving my gun where??", I had a similar situation this last weekend. I mention it because the situation does highlight the sort of things that we encounter. On Saturday, I picked my wife up from where she was working at a holiday market. On the way home she decided she wanted to stop at an ABC store for her choice of poison. The plan was that since I was carrying that she would go in and I would wait outside as the location is posted with gun-buster signs. There was a small crowd outside going in and out of the store that made her uncomfortable. They didn't look like bangers, but they didn't look like particular high caliber either, they were customers, but there were a fair number socializing outside the door, She didn't want to go in by herself. At the same time, I didn't want to noticeably "disarm", least one of them notice and decide that it is an opportunity to grab a brick and then grab a free gun. The choices: go home without (and listen to my wife), go to another store across town and hope for a different customer base (20 miles, 30 minutes with no guarantees), disarm and take the risks associated with that, or go in anyway and on the unlikely event that I am called out, leave.

Are you sure you can't carry in an ABC down there? We can in VA. Do they have a gunbuster sign on them?

As a CWFL licensee you can not have a firearm, even locked in your car, in the post office parking lot or building. The 5th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the conviction of a man who had a handgun in his car in a USPS parking lot. They reasoned that all USPS property is a "sensitive place." under Heller.

There is another federal lawsuit challenging the ban. That case was originally dismissed but has now been amended and allowed to proceed. Read the links below for a good education on the topic.

livewire9880, thank you for the clarification. I agree that the best approach is, when it doubt, don't bring it. or don't go.

On the subject of "leaving my gun where??", I had a similar situation this last weekend. I mention it because the situation does highlight the sort of things that we encounter. On Saturday, I picked my wife up from where she was working at a holiday market. On the way home she decided she wanted to stop at an ABC store for her choice of poison. The plan was that since I was carrying that she would go in and I would wait outside as the location is posted with gun-buster signs. There was a small crowd outside going in and out of the store that made her uncomfortable. They didn't look like bangers, but they didn't look like particular high caliber either, they were customers, but there were a fair number socializing outside the door, She didn't want to go in by herself. At the same time, I didn't want to noticeably "disarm", least one of them notice and decide that it is an opportunity to grab a brick and then grab a free gun. The choices: go home without (and listen to my wife), go to another store across town and hope for a different customer base (20 miles, 30 minutes with no guarantees), disarm and take the risks associated with that, or go in anyway and on the unlikely event that I am called out, leave.

I'm not familiar with NC's legal code... do "gun buster" signs carry the force of law?

I'm not familiar with NC's legal code... do "gun buster" signs carry the force of law?

Unfortunately, yes. To expand upon this a little bit, the state recently passed a law called H.B. 650 that took effect last week. This primarily enacted castle doctrine, but also eliminated restrictions on places such as parks, banks, and a few other odds and ends. There were a couple of items in the bill which would have addressed items such as restaurants, parking lots, etc but these were stripped out. A lot of communities have been using loopholes in the law to slap up gunbuster signs and notices in places like parks. Violation of a sign can earn you a 2nd class trespass charge, which is the lowest grade misdemeanor on the books but may still cost you your permit due to some very general wording in the concealed carry laws.

One thing I have noticed, though it is somewhat anecdotal and based upon memory is that the signs in ABC stores changed recently. I am certain that they used to have a big red warning about bringing a firearm into the establishment being a felony, but I haven't see one of those in a while. Instead they all say something to the effect of: "Per NC G.S. 514-(whatever it is), no guns allowed, concealed or otherwise." If they really feel the need and see value in posting, I would be happy with a no illegal guns, which would be just as effective and not infringe on legal carry.

From what I can tell, mostly from a (N & S) Carolina based forum, the pro-carry movement is gaining momentum and is building support for pushing to incorporate the things that were stripped out. I would like to see the effectiveness of signs being negated and college campus carry, or at a minimum allow storage in a locked vehicle on a campus.

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