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Re: General Football Debates!

Originally Posted by IzunaUchiha2

Alvaro is shit . And luka Modrich and di maria is a flop . They are always messing it up for real . Danm!
Plus barca never won title just yet . There is still 25 ( I think ) Games more . Atlethico is close . As for madrid they could win back the La liga but chance is kinda little . Madrid just keep have to winning evrey match not losing or drawing at all
HALA MADRID . HALA RONALDO

You do have some high hopes right there, you know? It's impossible for Real Madrid to win La Liga this year. They are fighting for the CL from now on. And yeah, Athletico Madrid may win, but I doubt that Barcelona will let the tittle flip this year too. If you've seen them playing, and not only that, you may have noticed that they're on their best shape this season and they won't stop breaking records...IMO, it's really difficult for Real, Athletico or whoever.

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Originally Posted by Gilda

You do have some high hopes right there, you know? It's impossible for Real Madrid to win La Liga this year. They are fighting for the CL from now on. And yeah, Athletico Madrid may win, but I doubt that Barcelona will let the tittle flip this year too. If you've seen them playing, and not only that, you may have noticed that they're on their best shape this season and they won't stop breaking records...IMO, it's really difficult for Real, Athletico or whoever.

If there is one thing Madrid are good at its not giving up . Yeah there is a very hard chance they will win la liga but there is ok calma calma . Plus they are verseing atlethico tommorow so we can overtake them. But congratz to barca . And i really want to see real madrid win champions leauge.

Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi

yeah Arbeloa is shit yet he pawned CR7 in the EURO, Modric is okay he still adapting so calm down, the real flop is Di Maria, people say CR7 selfish yet this Di Maria dude tend to force his way through while he no chance at all, like when he forced his way through Puyol in the El Classico while he have the option to pass.....

Alvaro is a flop i mean it . But i f**ing agree with u about di maria . People who say CR7 is selfish they are blind they should see di maria . that idiotic head of his should know better . F**ing long head di maria . Cuz of him we are losing . Whats wrong with Mou . ? The guy doesent play Kaka at all . Kaka deserves to play . Di maria shud be benched and thats it . No him playing anymore . Ya know , Atlethico madrid without Falcoa is like a car without engine . Hala madrid!
Who is watching Real madrid vs Atlethico madrid , or barca vs bilbao

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Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi

there is a declination,but there are other reason for that beside Mancini being horrible, and don't talk about come back dude cause i know a certain team who always do the same this season, and i dont see anything wrong with that

its his decision in the match dude, i mean its not easy to arrange that kinda team, he have a good squad a great that is, he's not Mourinho who have the balls to bench great player like Kaka and Modric he's bound to played them in a match either as a starter or sub, but what i see is they will keep improving and retain their EPL tittle and preventMANU to get their 20 EPL tittle.......

he's already good in his 1st season, by giving the club 1st ever trophy in years, last season its not Mancini or City that get lucky, it was MANU who played like a ***** at Etihad by looking for a draw in very important match, let alone the fact that they were leading by 8 points a few weeks just before the league end:shrug:

well if they ,manage to get Pep then that mean they spend tons of money to get him in, looking at that there is a possibility that Berlusconi will add their budget for Pep sake to bring his fav La masia players, IMO they only need 3 players 1 for defense 1 for midfield and 1 for attack.

United don't have as good backup or as good squad density as City. I do agree that United also win many matches barely but still, that shouldn't be the case for City; given their players and investments. United have a good squad. In terms of starters+substitutes, I'd say we're second to City in EPL. But our starting 11 isn't the strongest in EPL. Chelsea and City are much more alluring on paper. I'd say, on paper, our starting 11 sounds as good as the likes as Tottenham or Arsenal. Yet, we find for the title and CL final stages (nearly) every year. Cut us some slack cause we did amazing things since CR7/Tevez departure despite our limitations. And as our squad were weakening, it doesn't make sense that Chelsea/City kept investing but still don't dominate clearly the EPL. For me, Mancini remains a weak link at City.

It's hard to align but he has been here for some time now. And for his experience acquired on City's bench so far, he should show more confidence and coherence in his match decision. Besides, Y.Toure, Hart and Kompany - no one seems to be sure-shot starters in Mancini's eyes. At least with Mou, almost half of the 11 (or more) are almost always starters.

Name me one team who won't play defensive if they took a traumatic trashing on the 1st leg. We took 6-1 early on; it was stupid to expect casual football from United. Madrid did the same and kept defending when they took the 5-0 against Barca. Arsenal also did that; post every United encounters after the 8-2 ect... We lost the EPl title last year but it was against Everton draw; not the City 1-0 win. We defended well imo; in that match. We were unlucky on a spot-kick goal, and Fergie made some bad lineups decisions; notably Giggs instead of Valencia, out-of form Park against dominant Toure and short Rooney against imposing Kompany. Otherwise, United tried to secure a point at Etihad. So, overall, I still maintain that luck and some individual talents were more crucial in handing City last year's EPL instead of Mancini's managing capacities.

Milan need lots of new players but they remain afloat; courtesy of magnificent El=Sharaawy. How long will his spell continue and how solid his young shoulders will carry Milan remains to be seen. So, Pep will need to get lots of backup unless he plans to manage a team who's dependent on one player - though he's used to that with Messi but can't deny that Barca's remaining players are clearly better than Milan.

Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi

congratulation for Barcelona for winning the la liga tittle this season

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Real vs Atlethico . Score 2-0.

Ronaldo scored a suberb free kick . The atlethico goalie always gets trolled . . He conceded a free kick goal last year .
C.Ronaldo also provided and assist to Ozil who scored the 2nd goal which was a very good volley .
Falcoa was flop and a dissapoint .

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Bayern 4-1 Bate

Cool game from Bayern! They were dominating the game all the time. Finally, Gomez was on the field, scoring the first goal. Then, Muller, Shaqiri and Alaba scored the last 3 goals for Bayern. In the last minutes of the game, BATE scored their first and last goal by Filipenko. BATE had no chances winning the game this time, even if they won at home (3-1). The red card of Boateng (Bayern) can become a real problem for Bayern, for the next Round cause Badstuber and Boateng will miss the first match. More info...
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Also, good job from Dortmund. They are the only team that hasn't lost any game on the group stage. They won against R.Madrid, Man.City and Ajax and reached the 1st place of the group. (The same with Schalke, they also reached the 1st place on their group)
Good job from these 3 German clubs.

I also got surprised from Celltic that won against Barcelona (2-1) and really tried to reach the 2nd place and go to the next Round. Also, happy that Chelsea lost on the group stage.
I bet, Barcelona and Real Madrid will not win this time! Barcelona are having a bad defence. Messi is saving them from losing matches. Real Madrid can't win this time. They got beaten by Dortmund and almost got beaten twice. Last session they also got beaten by Bayern. And their La-Liga situation isn't going really well...This time a german club will win the Champions Leage!

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no shit sherlock...... am Madrid fan but truth be told Barcelona is in their best form, i don't see them losing to anyone but Madrid in open play.......... this break through from Germany team is just like their national team, owning everyone in group stage then get pummeled in the quarter/semi final

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Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi

no shit sherlock...... am Madrid fan but truth be told Barcelona is in their best form, i don't see them losing to anyone but Madrid in open play.......... this break through from Germany team is just like their national team, owning everyone in group stage then get pummeled in the quarter/semi final

I doubt that you predicted Celtic's victory over Barcelona; so I find it presumptuous to say that no one, besides Madrid, can beat Barca in open play.

If I were to make an analysis of CL thus far, I'd say Barcelona, Dortmund and Bayern are equal favorites to lift the trophy. Bayern have a terrifying squad and are squashing the Bundesliga. Same for Barcelona with a rampant Messi. And Dortmund has been the most impressive team on the field with their teamplay right now in whole CL (yes, better than Barcelona for now due to much solid defence).

I'd bracket Madrid, United & Juventus as first-rate challengers to the above trio and to possibly clinch it. Madrid are still have the quest for La Decima as booster in this CL and as in this last 3 years, they do still possess the necessary squad to grab it. They do need to hit the right form physically and mentally (perhaps). United have weak spots; especially defensively but their never-say-die attitude and their will for revenge after last year's setback will delete their complacency in them and turn them (hopefully) into strong challengers. Juventus have been highly impressive to end up first after Norsjaelland shock result. They have shown interesting attitude and play for their return and I think, they'll be dangerous as the campaign will progress.

Milan, Arsenal & Porto have enormous CL culture and experience. Not sure if that can result in grabbing the trophy in May but it do state that we should always count on these teams.

Shakhtar, Valencia and Malaga are tricky opponents; with a definite style & squad; and can prove to be surprise packages.

Shalke and Paris have their chances due to finishing first in their groups but both need some polishing yet for CL stages.

I don't want to offend Celtic or Galatasaray fans but they look like the fillers right now. Both have fiery stadium support though, so any Pot 1 team can have a tricky hellish trip for the 1st Leg.

The draw for Last 16 K.O matches will be interesting and obviously, lots will depend on that.

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Does anyone know when the Draw is for Champions leage knockouts stages?. Please tell me .
Plus Real madrid are through yaay! . But Borussia is playing well.
I think Madrid will win Champions leauge . They have little hope in La liga but i still think they can win La Liga . But their main focus is Champions leage ( Modrich , Cassials, Mou said) . And chealsea are out Hahaha . Torres scored twice . LOL. Last years champions leauge final was deserved to Munich ( Coming from A madrid fan) . Chealsea won by luck . But still. they are out!

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Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi

no shit sherlock...... am Madrid fan but truth be told Barcelona is in their best form, i don't see them losing to anyone but Madrid in open play.......... this break through from Germany team is just like their national team, owning everyone in group stage then get pummeled in the quarter/semi final

What? As you can see, Bayern is a german club, that's why they have a lot of german players. Just like Barcelona, a spanish club, with a lot of spanish players. That looks normal to me. But Bayern have players from other countries too.

Bayern are one of the best teams. I think they are better that Real Madrid now. They also won against them in the CL Semi-finals. I think...the only problem why Bayern lost two times in the CL finals (2010 & 2012) is because they had no ''good substitutes''. They only had Olic, Tymo, Gustavo, Van Buyten, Alaba as substitutes. Maby there are other reasons too...but as you can see this session, Bayern are almost completed. They have Pizarro, Shaqiri, Martinez, Dante, Mandzukic. Bayern have a really better team now. I think...Bayern are ready to face every strong opponent, Barcelona too. I really like to see Bayern against Barcelona or against Dortmund in the final.
Not saying this because I'm a bayern fan, but Bayern are a better team than Madrid now.

Re: General Football Debates!

Originally Posted by IzunaUchiha2

So can anyone tell me the Knockout stages Draw ?Please.? Thanks T_T

Thursday 20th December.

In case I'm not busy (which I can't guarantee since it's near Xmas sales times), then I'll do a Live coverage of the draw on Narutobase; like how I did for the Group Stages draw (http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=236061). So no worries, if you don't have live telecast of the draw, you can follow it here on Nb hopefully or on any football site (as you wish for).

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Originally Posted by -God of War-

What? As you can see, Bayern is a german club, that's why they have a lot of german players. Just like Barcelona, a spanish club, with a lot of spanish players. That looks normal to me. But Bayern have players from other countries too.

that's not my point *duh* i could care less if the have players from other country, in the end of the day they are German club, and most likely will suffer the same fate with their national team

Originally Posted by -God of War-

Bayern are one of the best teams. I think they are better that Real Madrid now. They also won against them in the CL Semi-finals. I think...the only problem why Bayern lost two times in the CL finals (2010 & 2012) is because they had no ''good substitutes''. They only had Olic, Tymo, Gustavo, Van Buyten, Alaba as substitutes. Maby there are other reasons too...but as you can see this session, Bayern are almost completed. They have Pizarro, Shaqiri, Martinez, Dante, Mandzukic. Bayern have a really better team now. I think...Bayern are ready to face every strong opponent, Barcelona too. I really like to see Bayern against Barcelona or against Dortmund in the final.
Not saying this because I'm a bayern fan, but Bayern are a better team than Madrid now.

dude Madrid played in the group of the death.... while bayern played in noob group, only Valencia can be considered good, but they barely beat them, they even lost to unknown FC in the group stage,

and this is where your fanboyism getting out of hand, you think bayern lost the final cause they don't have good substitution ? they have better team compared to Inter Milan in 2010 yet Inter shit on them, And recently Chelsea played without their 2 main defender in the final and bayern Arrogance cost them the cup, i mean they sub Mueller for Van buyten ? LOL and they also halted schweinsteiger growth, that player have what it takes to compete with the likes of Pirlo,Xavi and Iniesta but Bayer don't want to let him go while they realized their team don't play in competitive league, looking by bayern dominance in the bundesliga and just sometimes yeah sometimes team like Wolfsburg,Bremen And Dortmund manage to take their throne, the next victim is Mueller and Shaqiri or perhaps the overpriced Martinez

Originally Posted by -God of War-

I can't wait to see, which team will be against Bayern and Dortmund!

they are lucky that Juventus finished 1st in the group stage if its not, the Pirlo and Friends will teach them about the horror of Italy once again .....

Originally Posted by Escorpiius

I doubt that you predicted Celtic's victory over Barcelona; so I find it presumptuous to say that no one, besides Madrid, can beat Barca in open play.

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dude Madrid played in the group of the death.... while bayern played in noob group, only Valencia can be considered good, but they barely beat them, they even lost to unknown FC in the group stage,

and this is where your fanboyism getting out of hand, you think bayern lost the final cause they don't have good substitution ? they have better team compared to Inter Milan in 2010 yet Inter shit on them, And recently Chelsea played without their 2 main defender in the final and bayern Arrogance cost them the cup, i mean they sub Mueller for Van buyten ? LOL and they also halted schweinsteiger growth, that player have what it takes to compete with the likes of Pirlo,Xavi and Iniesta but Bayer don't want to let him go while they realized their team don't play in competitive league, looking by bayern dominance in the bundesliga and just sometimes yeah sometimes team like Wolfsburg,Bremen And Dortmund manage to take their throne, the next victim is Mueller and Shaqiri or perhaps the overpriced Martinez

Madrid played in the group of death...so what? R.Madrid lost against Dortmund, and almost lost twice.

Yes...Bayern lost 3-1 away, against BATE...but you can see that they won at the second match 4-1.
Fanboyism out of hand? No, you're wrong. If Bayern lost against ''an unknown club'', what about R.Madrid that lost all those matches at La Liga, with some ''unknown'' clubs?
Bayern are a better team than R.Madrid now. You should accept it. They even won against them.
Well, yeah. Bayern really thought they would win against Chelsea easily...and at a game as football, when you have that idea in mind, you will lose.

If Bayern would/may face Juventus, I bet they win against them and teach a cool lesson to Italians, that germans are better.

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Originally Posted by -God of War-

Madrid played in the group of death...so what? R.Madrid lost against Dortmund, and almost lost twice.

so they work harder than bayern *duh*, bayern can't even beat Dortmund so what your point ? Madrid played a terrible match at westfalen but in Bernabeu madrid deserve to win despite being behind twice if that ****ing ref didn't cancel Callejon goal for LOL offside,

Originally Posted by -God of War-

Yes...Bayern lost 3-1 away, against BATE...but you can see that they won at the second match 4-1.
Fanboyism out of hand? No, you're wrong. If Bayern lost against ''an unknown club'', what about R.Madrid that lost all those matches at La Liga, with some ''unknown'' clubs?
Bayern are a better team than R.Madrid now. You should accept it. They even won against them.
Well, yeah. Bayern really thought they would win against Chelsea easily...and at a game as football, when you have that idea in mind, you will lose.

BATE what ? LOL so what if they win 4-1 ? that was the last fixture it doesn't really matter for Bate anymore,
Madrid don't lose against some unknown team, it was sevilla the team that won UEFA cup in 2007 they also have some decent players like Negredo and Rakitic let alone the fact that they are top team in La Liga,

Getafe Beat real and Getafe is not some unknown team looking at they are Real Madrid rival in the same City 2nd to A.Madrid,

Real betis is also not an unknown team, there are times when they break the transfer record by landing Denilson in early 2000,

so all the team that beat Madrid is not UNKNOWN team LIKE Bate ? LOL,

by the way why you no mention Inter ? oh yeah that was total defeat no excuse for that,
i never said that Madrid is the better team so idk what you're talking about LOL

Originally Posted by -God of War-

If Bayern would/may face Juventus, I bet they win against them and teach a cool lesson to Italians, that germans are better.

apparently the majority of German fans is a bunch of butthurt union, i suppose you still feel bitter about Italy destroying German in the Euro ? and don't forget in 2006 LOL that was total ownage, no matter how you look at it German is afraid of Italy, Italy is the kryptonite for Germany.................

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Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi

so they work harder than bayern *duh*, bayern can't even beat Dortmund so what your point ? Madrid played a terrible match at westfalen but in Bernabeu madrid deserve to win despite being behind twice if that ****ing ref didn't cancel Callejon goal for LOL offside,

BATE what ? LOL so what if they win 4-1 ? that was the last fixture it doesn't really matter for Bate anymore,
Madrid don't lose against some unknown team, it was sevilla the team that won UEFA cup in 2007 they also have some decent players like Negredo and Rakitic let alone the fact that they are top team in La Liga,

Getafe Beat real and Getafe is not some unknown team looking at they are Real Madrid rival in the same City 2nd to A.Madrid,

Real betis is also not an unknown team, there are times when they break the transfer record by landing Denilson in early 2000,

so all the team that beat Madrid is not UNKNOWN team LIKE Bate ? LOL,

by the way why you no mention Inter ? oh yeah that was total defeat no excuse for that,
i never said that Madrid is the better team so idk what you're talking about LOL

apparently the majority of German fans is a bunch of butthurt union, i suppose you still feel bitter about Italy destroying German in the Euro ? and don't forget in 2006 LOL that was total ownage, no matter how you look at it German is afraid of Italy, Italy is the kryptonite for Germany.................

(Why you type ''LOL'' at these conversations?)

Who said that those teams are unknown? I just wanted to use your weird nickname ''unknown'' on a team that took part on the group stage, on Ch.L, Bate.

Those spanish teams, aren't unknown...but winning against a team like Real Madrid? Looks weird to me...

Bayern can't beat Dortmund? What the f--k is that? Yes, Dortmund won against Bayern...but Bayern won against Dortmund too. If you want to talk about Bayern vs Dortmund, watch the BundesLiga.

Sure it matters for Bate! Winning both matches against Bayern, would be a part of Ch.L history maby. Bayern took the second time seriously, and won. Bate wanted to win the match...if they would let the victory to Bayern, the result would be bigger than 4-1.

Yes...Inter did a grat job in 2010. Scoring 2 goals against Bayern. They deserved it...

As a german fan, I'm not butthurt. I'm just angry from these lost matches against Italy. So being angry, annoyed, doesn't mean being butthurt. I know Germany is a better team than Italy...but their coach isn't the right one.

Joachim Low leads Germany to the semi-finals and finals and then he starst making mistakes. At EURO 2012, if Germany would play very good, I bet they would win against Italians. But...yeah, they didn't...so they lost. And at the final we saw Italy getting raped by Spain 4-0. So Italy, pretty much had to lose the semi-final. It would be a stronger match if Spain would meet Germany at the final.
So Italy isn't a good team. And in these last years, I can only see Juventus as the best team of Italy. Milan isn't ''Milan'' anymore and Inter...I don't even see them anymore.

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@Totsuka and God of War: There are many bits in many of your posts each that I'd like too reply but this is your discussion between you, two. And I'd prefer to keep it that way without interfering. That being said, try not to go overboard in your Italian/German fanboy-craze and try not to break Global Rules without insulting replies. Keep your discussion as dignified as possible.

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Originally Posted by Escorpiius

@Totsuka and God of War: There are many bits in many of your posts each that I'd like too reply but this is your discussion between you, two. And I'd prefer to keep it that way without interfering. That being said, try not to go overboard in your Italian/German fanboy-craze and try not to break Global Rules without insulting replies. Keep your discussion as dignified as possible.

Right. Whatever...I feel too lazy to reply, if he replies again so...don't worry about it.
I would like to see your reply, if you want to post it. No problems to me.

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Who said that those teams are unknown? I just wanted to use your weird nickname ''unknown'' on a team that took part on the group stage, on Ch.L, Bate.

nice excuse, there is always some unknown FC in CL group and Bate is one of them and they beat bayern, and usually this UNKNOWN team don't really care about CL, but still they manage to beat Bayern.......

Originally Posted by -God of War-

Those spanish teams, aren't unknown...but winning against a team like Real Madrid? Looks weird to me...

i don't see anything weird that they beat madrid, with 1-0 score or 1 goal difference, its even more weird to lose against UNKNOWN team like you know what wwith 2 goal difference

Originally Posted by -God of War-

can't beat Dortmund? What the f--k is that? Yes, Dortmund won against Bayern...but Bayern won against Dortmund too. If you want to talk about Bayern vs Dortmund, watch the BundesLiga.

last time they played 1-1, and remember the DFB Pokal final ?

Originally Posted by -God of War-

Sure it matters for Bate! Winning both matches against Bayern, would be a part of Ch.L history maby. Bayern took the second time seriously, and won. Bate wanted to win the match...if they would let the victory to Bayern, the result would be bigger than 4-1.

why bother ? they have no chance whatsoever, so the 1st time bayern is not serious OK i'll believe you for that, while they have played almost all their regular players from the get go..............

Originally Posted by -God of War-

As a german fan, I'm not butthurt. I'm just angry from these lost matches against Italy. So being angry, annoyed, doesn't mean being butthurt. I know Germany is a better team than Italy...but their coach isn't the right one.

Joachim Low leads Germany to the semi-finals and finals and then he starst making mistakes. At EURO 2012, if Germany would play very good, I bet they would win against Italians. But...yeah, they didn't...so they lost. And at the final we saw Italy getting raped by Spain 4-0. So Italy, pretty much had to lose the semi-final. It would be a stronger match if Spain would meet Germany at the final.
So Italy isn't a good team. And in these last years, I can only see Juventus as the best team of Italy. Milan isn't ''Milan'' anymore and Inter...I don't even see them anymore.

not butthurt ? OK whatever you say, but the irony is you said Bayern is better than Real Madrid cause the last time they played Bayern win, and now you claim Germany is better than Italy while they've been losing against Italy even before you were born,

the final in euro 2012 is what you called anti climax, when the match just started we can see that there is something wrong with Chiellini, and after Cesc Manage to easily outrun him(which is usually chiellini can clear the ball away) and resulted in Silva goal, he was substituted cause of injury, Italy losing of their best defender early in the match, so spaineasily score the 2nd goal, but there's still hope.... but everything is gone when Motta suddenly get injured and can't continue to play,

Italy who has already used all their sub quota was forced to play with 10 men against the great SPAIN, even iniesta stated that everything is becoming easy when Motta taken out, that indicated the match before that is never easy for Spain, even when they leading by 2 goal, so yeah you don't play against spain with 10 man especially in FINAL MATCH

Both team that played in the final is the best team at the tournament, along with Portugal but poorly annihilated by Spain Via Penalty shoot out, so you think Germany deserve to win the semi final ? well look again Italy could have win 4 or 5 goal against Germany if they don't fool around to much and waste clear chance, so saying that Germany deserve to played in the final is wrong cause Italy could have destroyed them,

so now you blame the coach ? no don't blame the coach Blame this guy
and