Mexico has reacted furiously to a bill signed into law by the US this week that would fund a border wall and prevent illegal Mexican migrants from obtaining US driving licences.

President Vicente Fox said he would lodge a diplomatic complaint, and was considering complaints to multilateral bodies if Mexico could not unable to resolve the problem bilaterally.

In the US, leaders of the Mexican community threatened to strike to send a message to US employers that they could not survive without cheap Mexican labour.

Santiago Creel, Mexico's interior secretary, said the “Real ID” law was “negative, inconvenient, and obstructionist”.

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---Wow!! Mexico should open up it's Southern Border before demanding we do the same. Mexico has no tolerance for illegals ENTERING their country, hypocrites. Any other taxpayers out there tired of picking up the multi - billion dollar tab we pay each year to make up for the cost of these lawbreakers abusing our delicate infrastructure? I don't know about you, but I live in Krazy Kallifornia and our state is broke because of these people busting out our hospitals and other services along with the crooks called politicians in Sacramento doing nothing about it along with thier dangerous out of control spending ( I see this first hand because I work in the political arena here)...Anyway, Mr. Fox should STFU. Yes sir, Mexicans can have driver licenses, they are called Mexican driver licenses.... :flame:

Also, these slave wage earners will really hurt the middle class down the road by bringing down our standards of living to that of Mexico and the competition to 'basic wages' will only go down from here. That along with the continued outsourcing of our jobs will be the death to the average working american. Why is this happening? So that a few greedy billionares can acquire more and create another society (maybe I should say continent) of slave wage workers just like Communist China. They will continue to outsource until there is no longer a viable middle class and the politicians will let them get away will bloody murder.

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"If I find in myself a desire which no experience in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world."--Mere Christianity

I find it funny that the Mexicans are called illegal...oh since alot of them come back with the deeds of their Grandfather or great Grandfather etc.... Many are just coming back home---New Mexico, Texas, California, Arizona etc.... But some arrogance deny the true history of the region.

I find it funny that the Mexicans are called illegal...oh since alot of them come back with the deeds of their Grandfather or great Grandfather etc.... Many are just coming back home---New Mexico, Texas, California, Arizona etc.... But some arrogance deny the true history of the region.

I am not Mexican nor Hispanic, however, I honestly understand.

Actually, I don't think you do. By that logic why don't we just hand over everthing back to the native americans since it was their land originally. Also, 90% of the kind of mexicans coming over are the more dark skinned native mexicans that are from the deep parts of the country that have no historic geographic connection to the states you mention. This is a lie usually put out by these racist la raza type groups along with other leftist wannabes that have nothing better to do than undermine our government. The mexicans you are thinking of are called 'white' mexicans and are the offspring of the Spanish Conquistadors. Beleive it or not these 'white' mexicans who hold most of the power and wealth in Mexico are somewhat racist to the more native dark mexicans and they treat them practically like slaves from what I have heard. I think this is why a flood of these illegals are coming over because Mr. Fox doesn't seem to care about improving the quality of life for his own people. There's no point in having any kind of immigration policy if we are going to reward lawbreaking by giving these people everything they want. If that's the case, then everyone should come over here illegally instead of going through the proper channels to obtain citizenship because it's so much easier to do that than by abiding by the law. I guess we can come to the conclusion that only suckers follow the law. A large majority of the American people are also getting tired of this crap and the dam politicians are doing nothing about it. This is ruining our country and it's costing us tens of billions of dollars every year. I'm so sick of it because this burden will not be felt by the degenerate class of politicans that are responsible for all of this; it will be felt by our children who will pay immensly down the road. Also, I don't want to have to learn spanish because the bums that come over here want nothing to do with blending in and becoming american. I don't want to walk into another store to find out I can't get any help because half the employees speak spanish. I don't want to hear it everyplace I call either which I find annoying. We shouldn't have to cator to any groups at all and the other ethnic groups that come here seem to do just fine blending in without bothering the rest of us english speaking people using thier language as some kind of crutch. I swear that the next person who runs for President that promises to close the border and crack down on these illegals will probably win all 50 states, even if it's Shrillary Clinton.

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"If I find in myself a desire which no experience in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world."--Mere Christianity

Well, yes, there is Israel, Kurdistan, Kosavo etc.... so the rest of the world should have it.... figure it out; Yes, I know the history...I know the difference of Spanish Mexicans versus the Indian Mexicans (true Mexicans) since I have a degree and taught in History....I say I understand because, I understand the Irish issue, the Armenian issue, the Cypriot issue, the Palestinian issue and so on....so I UNDERSTAND...I have sympathy for all who lose lands in wars since I am a war survivor! ... I say you get what you create....do you want to send Black people back to Africa too?? War never brings peace but only hell so I pray for peace for all.

I respect your opinions and beliefs and I hope for all this ends peacefully.

These are my opinions so I ask the same, although I am starting to see this forum likes disputes.

Once again the problem isn't the Mexican *people*. The problem is that their government is so corrupt that they have to emigrate in order to make money. Why do they come to the U.S.? It's not only because they know they'll make good money, but that as illegals in the U.S. they have more legal protections against having their property confiscated or stolen than they do working legally in their own country.

For more on this subject I suggest almost any book by Hernando Desoto. Not the Spanish conqueror, but the Chilean economist. Start with "The Mystery of Capital."

Let me say this. Mexicans want what everyone wants: the ability to work hard in their villages and cities and make enough to feed their families. They are uneducated and many have been fooled by Marxists from Cuba. All Marxism will do is move control of capital from one group of oligarchs to another. I realize that we have a subtle oligarchy here as well, so before you socialist sympathizers start attacking me let me say this: we are not perfect but, in general, this country began to excel *after* it started to recognize and enforce universal property rights and access to captial, generally through loans from the very wealthy.

Nacho, may be the political problem would be solved if USA invades Mexico (remember bad old Iraq?) ?

Then at least 150.000 Mexicans would be dead, several millions would be prisoners of war in their own country, and a puppet Mexican government would be manipulated from Washington. Add to all that the “Christian love” and the "values" of USA politics and you have the recipe for modern crusade.

God bless America, not anybody else. Paradise is a private place - earthly paradise at least. To everybody else we say: get out or get lost. See you in heavens Mexicans brothers but I do not want to see you here on Earth. Earth paradise is ours to enjoy, it’s our creation and privilege; you have to wait for after life.

Sorry guys, you Mexicans have to live your misery lives, and we have to live our precious lives. Mixing lives is not allowed.

Brother Nacho, if Christ accepts them in His Paradise, why don't we accept them in ours ?

Oddly, I support Bush's approach to immigration and it puts me at odds with most fellow conservatives. We can take a short-term approach to the issue -- walls, police, more jails -- but it won't fix the problem. Short of machine guns, mine fields, and border guards with orders to shoot on site, more and bigger walls won't stop the natural human desire for freedom and the economic means to support one's family. Perhaps we can temporarily stop some criminals and drugs from coming across by those means, but they'll find another way in because the market's calling them into the US. I'd hope we do not become like the former East German government. The solution is to keep pursuing vigorous trade with Mexico to boost their economy and wages, and find a way to regularize traffic for honest, law-abiding Mexicans. Like it or not, the Mexican people have left an invaluable footprint in our culture and economy and geography dictates that we have no choice but to resolve common problems as partners with the Mexican authorities rather than blanket hostility. The vast majority of these folks are here looking for work, and generally do a pretty good job from what I've seen.

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