it's Bild but they are writing as if it is pretty sure that Sutil will join FI again... but you can never trust Bild lemme translate anyway:

Force India: Is Di Resta suddenly a doubtful case?

While the return of Adrian Sutil to Force India is as good as certain, Paul Di Resta could loose his cockpit at a change of the team owner.

Force India is next to Caterham the only team, that still has to give away a cockpit for 2013, because so far only Paul di Resta is confirmed. For weeks now Adrian Sutil has been a hot candidate for the second seat. But after informations of 'Motorsport-Total.com' di Resta also shouldn't be 100% certain about his case.

Those responsible are maybe waiting with the announcement, because of the possible change in ownership, even if the Team is energically denying being sold to investors lead by Colin Kolles, and persons around Vijay Mallya don't think that the indian businessman will quit.Besides of that all affected people believably assure, that the economic crisis of some Mallya-businesses has no effects on the financial stability of the Formula 1 team.

The driver pairing will be announced "Hopefully and probably before the first test.", says the vice team boss Robert Fernley towards 'Motorsport-Total.com'. It would be "very improbable", that no candidate would be evaluated at the test drives in february, but it would be a lot more "probable", that the name will be announced beforehand. The presentation on February 1st in Silverstone "will be only about presenting the VJM06", Fernley makes clear.

That di Resta will be still wearing a Force India Overall then is after informations of 'Motorsport-Total.com' in no way cut in stone. Sutil has signed his Grand Prix contract for 2013 just as the Briton, but brings, just like it has been in the past sponsor money. If it really would come to a change of ownership, Investors want to hire next to Sutil a financial lucrative paydriver and because di Resta is not bringing any considerable sponsor money, he could be kicked out despite contract.

((thats my translation tried to be as close to the text as possible and hope I didnt make too many mistakes))

Edit: here is the motorsport-total.com original text that Bild used Link

It's all getting so damn interesting now, ain't it?

Surely something is big on the cards, otherwise such a delay & so much of missing information from Force India's side is not very typical.

The bild has always been a bit wayward and not a website that can be taken too seriously, infact if it is such common knowledge a more respectable site would have ran it by now as it is big news, i was actually thinking its all gone very quiet on the sutil front everyone is mentioning Bianchi and even senna after is comments at massas karting event. As for di resta i would be worried that they have not confirmed him as 2013 driver yet if i were him, surely if his seat was safe there would be no reason not to.

well the original is from motorsport-total.com I just found it first on Bild

How do you know who copied who or indeed if they are both basing their stories on the same bad source.

Laura23 wrote:

They do but Sutil has been heavily hinted at by several people now. That said nothing is confirmed until the first race in these cases, especially when there are rumours over the team's future.

The Sutil Rumour has been going on since Hulk left. To me it's just snowballing as these things tend to do.

All the drivers I had mentioned in the poll, were potential candidates for replacing Hulk. When this thread was created, that time the only angle was who would replace Hulk? Now it's turned more dramatic, if Force India will get a new owner or stay on the grid even?

Really wonder if Hulk saw in the crystal ball which predicted such a blinding mist on Force India's future i.e. if he got a sniff of Force India being in trouble in 2013 or was it a genuine move to Sauber, aligning his move to Ferrari in 2014?

As not one pundit said his move was over problems and many thought it was because of Ferrari I would think there has been no sniff of problems before or around the time of his switch in the paddock. If he got a sniff no doubt others would have too.

The rest is just unsubstantiated rumour.

But then again. With the recent rumours of a Sauber to Merc switch maybe the Ferrari calls were right but wrong engine manufacturer

As not one pundit said his move was over problems and many thought it was because of Ferrari I would think there has been no sniff of problems before or around the time of his switch in the paddock. If he got a sniff no doubt others would have too.

The rest is just unsubstantiated rumour.

But then again. With the recent rumours of a Sauber to Merc switch maybe the Ferrari calls were right but wrong engine manufacturer

Either way, Hulk must be quite relieved that he switched to Sauber.

Am sure just as Di Resta, other teams must be quite worried for Force India. No doubt Force India is a competitor, but no one would be happy as many peoples' jobs are at stake or to say the least, in the dark.

well the original is from motorsport-total.com I just found it first on Bild

How do you know who copied who or indeed if they are both basing their stories on the same bad source.

Laura23 wrote:

They do but Sutil has been heavily hinted at by several people now. That said nothing is confirmed until the first race in these cases, especially when there are rumours over the team's future.

The Sutil Rumour has been going on since Hulk left. To me it's just snowballing as these things tend to do.

cause the text itself mentions motorsport-total.com and is the same text on both webpages

Now whichever driver must still be in rumours, won't be excited any more, till some thing concrete surfaces about Force India. All of these drivers, especially Di Resta, didn't want or expect to start 2013 in such a way!

If the drivers are dealing they will know more about what is going on than we do.So if they know it's BS then it won't bother them in the slightest.

That's true. We can only speculate. Anyway, whatever decision is made regarding the line up or the future of Force India in the coming 11 (date of Force India launching the VJM06) - 15 days (start of the 1st pre season test), will again spark a good amount of disbelief (surprise or shock)!

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Either Force India is flowing in the right direction or they are bothered about these partnerships but not about finalising a driver line up, which is only getting critical as each day passes by & the testing date gets nearer. All this could be bluff (for those who believe Force India are about to sink) or this could be a more systematic approach towards getting the team aligned in a stronger mesh for the long run.

If Sutil brings sponsorship, I would find that quite odd. Who still likes to sponsor that guy after the glassing incident?

think capri sun still do lol.. They come in packets not glasses so its no danger to them.. I agree though i don't think he should be allowed near the grid he could have killed lutz, he was always hot headed regardless of talent he should be banned Imo

If Sutil brings sponsorship, I would find that quite odd. Who still likes to sponsor that guy after the glassing incident?

think capri sun still do lol.. They come in packets not glasses so its no danger to them.. I agree though i don't think he should be allowed near the grid he could have killed lutz, he was always hot headed regardless of talent he should be banned Imo

LOL why would he be banned for something that did not happen on the track? Nobody (FIA or FOM ) can legally ban him from racing in F1 due to that. Only some nations can deny him entry as per their law / policies. And there are far worse people on the grid if you want to talk about on track and off track temper. HE is no saint, but I dont see how anyone can relate his stupid, careless and dangerous behavior outside to on track ban. I mean we have people who have actually done bodily harm to a person using a race car on the grid.

If Sutil brings sponsorship, I would find that quite odd. Who still likes to sponsor that guy after the glassing incident?

think capri sun still do lol.. They come in packets not glasses so its no danger to them.. I agree though i don't think he should be allowed near the grid he could have killed lutz, he was always hot headed regardless of talent he should be banned Imo

LOL why would he be banned for something that did not happen on the track? Nobody (FIA or FOM ) can legally ban him from racing in F1 due to that. Only some nations can deny him entry as per their law / policies. And there are far worse people on the grid if you want to talk about on track and off track temper. HE is no saint, but I dont see how anyone can relate his stupid, careless and dangerous behavior outside to on track ban. I mean we have people who have actually done bodily harm to a person using a race car on the grid.

i don't know bringing the sport into disrepute? Use your imagination, surely attacking an exec from a rival team can envoke a ban if i attacked an exec from a rival firm to my employer i would imagine in or out of work get fired

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If Sutil brings sponsorship, I would find that quite odd. Who still likes to sponsor that guy after the glassing incident?

think capri sun still do lol.. They come in packets not glasses so its no danger to them.. I agree though i don't think he should be allowed near the grid he could have killed lutz, he was always hot headed regardless of talent he should be banned Imo

LOL why would he be banned for something that did not happen on the track? Nobody (FIA or FOM ) can legally ban him from racing in F1 due to that. Only some nations can deny him entry as per their law / policies. And there are far worse people on the grid if you want to talk about on track and off track temper. HE is no saint, but I dont see how anyone can relate his stupid, careless and dangerous behavior outside to on track ban. I mean we have people who have actually done bodily harm to a person using a race car on the grid.

stupid and careless doesn't really relate to deliberately glassing someone's face/neck, it was a callous vicious act and his excuse was worse, i tried to throw my drink on him i slipped and it cut him, Hamilton wouldn't back him in court he had commitments but sent a letter to say he didn't see the actual incident and sutil turned on Hamilton calling him a coward, why because he wouldn't cover for him.. Being an f1 driver you are a role model to kids im sure within contract there would be clauses about image portrayal and conduct of person on or off track while employed by the team

If Sutil brings sponsorship, I would find that quite odd. Who still likes to sponsor that guy after the glassing incident?

think capri sun still do lol.. They come in packets not glasses so its no danger to them.. I agree though i don't think he should be allowed near the grid he could have killed lutz, he was always hot headed regardless of talent he should be banned Imo

LOL why would he be banned for something that did not happen on the track? Nobody (FIA or FOM ) can legally ban him from racing in F1 due to that. Only some nations can deny him entry as per their law / policies. And there are far worse people on the grid if you want to talk about on track and off track temper. HE is no saint, but I dont see how anyone can relate his stupid, careless and dangerous behavior outside to on track ban. I mean we have people who have actually done bodily harm to a person using a race car on the grid.

stupid and careless doesn't really relate to deliberately glassing someone's face/neck, it was a callous vicious act and his excuse was worse, i tried to throw my drink on him i slipped and it cut him, Hamilton wouldn't back him in court he had commitments but sent a letter to say he didn't see the actual incident and sutil turned on Hamilton calling him a coward, why because he wouldn't cover for him.. Being an f1 driver you are a role model to kids im sure within contract there would be clauses about image portrayal and conduct of person on or off track while employed by the team

All fine, still it has nothing to do about him as a driver on the grid and he didnt receive any punishment or warning from FOM, FIA or anybody else for that matter. And role model for kids? Heh, we have likes of Kimi and Maldonado on the grid. One gets drunk and falls of his own boat in public view while partying with glass of alcohol in hand and other Maldonado has done lot worse by actually physically harming marshal by his careless driving in past. Then we had drivers who deliberately pushed others out of track and even ran into them on purpose and ironically we have seen Trulli go off on Sutil on live TV after their crash.F1 drivers have never been role model for kids. Inspiration, sure, but not role model. Or you wouldnt have seen them parading with their arms around hot chicks in bikinies in 90s and early 2000s

I dont think that incident will harm his chances of coming back in F1. That was bad thing, but F1 has short memories. YOu are hot and cold from one season to another here. And F1 and morals have never gone hand in hand in long long time.

I always thought there were clauses in there that let them do that for bad behaviour.

Not really or he wouldnt have raced that year.The clause if about bringing sport into dispute. Nothing else. Nobody blamed F1 for what happened, and it all happened outside. So he didnt bring sport into dispute.

If Sutil brings sponsorship, I would find that quite odd. Who still likes to sponsor that guy after the glassing incident?

think capri sun still do lol.. They come in packets not glasses so its no danger to them.. I agree though i don't think he should be allowed near the grid he could have killed lutz, he was always hot headed regardless of talent he should be banned Imo

LOL why would he be banned for something that did not happen on the track? Nobody (FIA or FOM ) can legally ban him from racing in F1 due to that. Only some nations can deny him entry as per their law / policies. And there are far worse people on the grid if you want to talk about on track and off track temper. HE is no saint, but I dont see how anyone can relate his stupid, careless and dangerous behavior outside to on track ban. I mean we have people who have actually done bodily harm to a person using a race car on the grid.

Gachot lost his Jordan seat after he went to jail for that cab driver incident. Nothing to do with on track behaviour, but still Jordan refused his seat. He went to Larousse afterwards

Yes kimi did and to be honest wasn't his finest hour, but getting drunk and falling off your boat isn't deliberately glassing another human being, as for Maldonado he was very nearly banned for life from competing in Monaco i get the feeling some money may have changed hands because they seemed pretty set on the ban at the time.

If Sutil brings sponsorship, I would find that quite odd. Who still likes to sponsor that guy after the glassing incident?

think capri sun still do lol.. They come in packets not glasses so its no danger to them.. I agree though i don't think he should be allowed near the grid he could have killed lutz, he was always hot headed regardless of talent he should be banned Imo

LOL why would he be banned for something that did not happen on the track? Nobody (FIA or FOM ) can legally ban him from racing in F1 due to that. Only some nations can deny him entry as per their law / policies. And there are far worse people on the grid if you want to talk about on track and off track temper. HE is no saint, but I dont see how anyone can relate his stupid, careless and dangerous behavior outside to on track ban. I mean we have people who have actually done bodily harm to a person using a race car on the grid.

Gachot lost his Jordan seat after he went to jail for that cab driver incident. Nothing to do with on track behaviour, but still Jordan refused his seat. He went to Larousse afterwards

And that is what I am talking about. He was not banned. Why do you really think Sutil lost his FI seat. That incident did play the role. But in F1 time, that is ancient history, time has changed and there is probable opening for him again. And I wont exactly be surprised if he comes back.

The whole notion of guilty for life for something like this has no place in real life, and definitely not in F1. Even court felt he deserved suspended sentence, who are we to judge him rotten for life?

If Sutil brings sponsorship, I would find that quite odd. Who still likes to sponsor that guy after the glassing incident?

think capri sun still do lol.. They come in packets not glasses so its no danger to them.. I agree though i don't think he should be allowed near the grid he could have killed lutz, he was always hot headed regardless of talent he should be banned Imo

LOL why would he be banned for something that did not happen on the track? Nobody (FIA or FOM ) can legally ban him from racing in F1 due to that. Only some nations can deny him entry as per their law / policies. And there are far worse people on the grid if you want to talk about on track and off track temper. HE is no saint, but I dont see how anyone can relate his stupid, careless and dangerous behavior outside to on track ban. I mean we have people who have actually done bodily harm to a person using a race car on the grid.

Gachot lost his Jordan seat after he went to jail for that cab driver incident. Nothing to do with on track behaviour, but still Jordan refused his seat. He went to Larousse afterwards

And that is what I am talking about. He was not banned. Why do you really think Sutil lost his FI seat. That incident did play the role. But in F1 time, that is ancient history, time has changed and there is probable opening for him again. And I wont exactly be surprised if he comes back.

The whole notion of guilty for life for something like this has no place in real life, and definitely not in F1. Even court felt he deserved suspended sentence, who are we to judge him rotten for life?

I didn't say he was banned, just that he lost his seat. Which means that maybe the team wanted to distance themselves with someone that had a black mark on his CV. Who knows?

I agree with the rest of your post, they should serve their time and that's it. I believe in second chances

If Sutil brings sponsorship, I would find that quite odd. Who still likes to sponsor that guy after the glassing incident?

think capri sun still do lol.. They come in packets not glasses so its no danger to them.. I agree though i don't think he should be allowed near the grid he could have killed lutz, he was always hot headed regardless of talent he should be banned Imo

LOL why would he be banned for something that did not happen on the track? Nobody (FIA or FOM ) can legally ban him from racing in F1 due to that. Only some nations can deny him entry as per their law / policies. And there are far worse people on the grid if you want to talk about on track and off track temper. HE is no saint, but I dont see how anyone can relate his stupid, careless and dangerous behavior outside to on track ban. I mean we have people who have actually done bodily harm to a person using a race car on the grid.

Gachot lost his Jordan seat after he went to jail for that cab driver incident. Nothing to do with on track behaviour, but still Jordan refused his seat. He went to Larousse afterwards

And that is what I am talking about. He was not banned. Why do you really think Sutil lost his FI seat. That incident did play the role. But in F1 time, that is ancient history, time has changed and there is probable opening for him again. And I wont exactly be surprised if he comes back.

The whole notion of guilty for life for something like this has no place in real life, and definitely not in F1. Even court felt he deserved suspended sentence, who are we to judge him rotten for life?

The main reason for Sutil not retaining his seat was that if he would've been on the 2012 grid, at times he would have had to skip the race weekend due to being present at a court for a hearing. Mainly, if he had to be at some place on a Monday for a court case hearing and the race would in Australia or China on Sunday, which was a day just before the hearing, he would not be able to make it for the hearing on time and that would jeopardize the case even more.