I'm expecting some Irishman will take a break from beating his wife to stagger in here to tell us how the ND image of a violent leprechaun doesn't hurt his feelings so the Indians shouldn't complain either. I can see that. In his rare moments of sobriety and lack of incarceration, the Irishman knows that the stereotype is true and so there's no use complaining about it.

Technically, no. Milwaukee is where they first decided to start using that one, in 1957 (the year of their World Series title). The last Boston Braves logo was this:They used this or something similar off & on the entire time they were "Braves" in Boston.

edmo:Love the comments. The South remains a die hard bastion of racial sensitivity.

As opposed to the racial sensitivity that is the north, merely tolerating a race does not mean you accept them, just an FYI.....

And I have a shirt bought at a sporting goods store with the screaming Indian on it, every time I wear it the older fans want to know where they can get theirs. We grew up with it, I still have my picture I got taken with chief Noc-a-homa around somewhere, out little league team got to go on the field before a game one year. The guy who was in the costume reeked of cigarettes.....

Dr Dreidel:Regarding the racial insensitivity of the "Redskins" name, I say we change it to something that still works with "Hail to the Redskins" while also holding some meaning for the DC area:

The RedScares.

// looks more to me like a laughing Native American than a screaming one// but it does beggar belief why someone would think that was OK to (re)introduce in 2013

Slightly apropos: I went to a St. John's basketball game at MSG a few weeks ago and there were quite a few people in my section who refuse to accept the fact that their team is now called the Red Storm. That was definitely, definitely a "let's go Redmen" chant that kept coming up.

Mid_mo_mad_man:Mateorocks: doubled99: the sooner we get rid of native American names and logos deemed offensive, the sooner we can get to forgetting about Indians altogether

I'd like to forget about the 2012 Kansas City Chiefs altogether, so we're headed in the right direction.

The KC Chiefs are not named after American Indians. They are named after a local CEO's nickname. He convinced Hunt to move the Dallas Texans to KC

true, but they sort of embraced and adopted a lot of symbols that confuse the subject. if they weren't going for the whole native american thing they probably shouldn't be using all the arrowheads, spears, horses, etc.

A Fark Handle:can someone do something about those racists farks in washington dc? that's shiat has got to go. it's not just sort of offensive, it's god damn racial slur.

The Cleveland Indians' logo ranks second to DC. Atlanta's logo is in the middle of the pack, but it's 2013 and they should probably pick something better.

If they feel they must keep some continuity, Washington should pick one of the Native American groups that lived in the area, locate the descendants, and get approval to change the name to match that group. Work with them to make a tasteful logo with historical ties, and cut them in a little on the new merchandizing revenue for their help. It would be hard for people to press the "Your team is offensive to Native Americans" argument if the team was partnered with Native Americans in a meaningful way. (This is how the Florida State Seminoles dealt with the NCAA's inquiry on this topic.)

But yeah, if you replace the current name with any equivalent racial slur it's incredibly obvious how bad of an idea it is. Try to imagine saying it out loud while visiting tribal land. Most people are just numb to it because they're heard it for decades.

Mid_mo_mad_man: The KC Chiefs are not named after American Indians. They are named after a local CEO's nickname. He convinced Hunt to move the Dallas Texans to KC

Maybe so, but in the 60s they used this logo:

And they continue to have an arrowhead in the logo. Maybe the local CEO reference was the original intent, but since then they've pretty clearly embraced the association. (Mind you, I think there's a world of difference between Chiefs, which refers to a position of power, and Indians and Redskins, which are all about race/ethnicity. Still, I probably wouldn't have adopted this logo.)

A Fark Handle:Mid_mo_mad_man: Mateorocks: doubled99: the sooner we get rid of native American names and logos deemed offensive, the sooner we can get to forgetting about Indians altogether

I'd like to forget about the 2012 Kansas City Chiefs altogether, so we're headed in the right direction.

The KC Chiefs are not named after American Indians. They are named after a local CEO's nickname. He convinced Hunt to move the Dallas Texans to KC

true, but they sort of embraced and adopted a lot of symbols that confuse the subject. if they weren't going for the whole native american thing they probably shouldn't be using all the arrowheads, spears, horses, etc.

I know they embraced the native images. I just don't think they need to change. What's next Prince William complains and they remove the gaint crown from Kauffman stadium?. They will pry the Royals gear from my cold dead hands

A Fark Handle:Mid_mo_mad_man: Mateorocks: doubled99: the sooner we get rid of native American names and logos deemed offensive, the sooner we can get to forgetting about Indians altogether

I'd like to forget about the 2012 Kansas City Chiefs altogether, so we're headed in the right direction.

The KC Chiefs are not named after American Indians. They are named after a local CEO's nickname. He convinced Hunt to move the Dallas Texans to KC

true, but they sort of embraced and adopted a lot of symbols that confuse the subject. if they weren't going for the whole native american thing they probably shouldn't be using all the arrowheads, spears, horses, etc.

It would be awesome if they changed to the Kansas City CEOs, and adopted a logo of a guy in a top hat and monocle. Watching the NFL cameras pan to the stands would be hilarious-- the mirror universe version of the Oakland Raiders.

Mid_mo_mad_man:A Fark Handle: Mid_mo_mad_man: Mateorocks: doubled99: the sooner we get rid of native American names and logos deemed offensive, the sooner we can get to forgetting about Indians altogether

I'd like to forget about the 2012 Kansas City Chiefs altogether, so we're headed in the right direction.

The KC Chiefs are not named after American Indians. They are named after a local CEO's nickname. He convinced Hunt to move the Dallas Texans to KC

true, but they sort of embraced and adopted a lot of symbols that confuse the subject. if they weren't going for the whole native american thing they probably shouldn't be using all the arrowheads, spears, horses, etc.

I know they embraced the native images. I just don't think they need to change. What's next Prince William complains and they remove the gaint crown from Kauffman stadium?. They will pry the Royals gear from my cold dead hands

yeah, i don't really care that much about the chiefs, nor do i think they need to change the name. it's a position of power, etc. as you say the royals or the kings or whatever. i was just pointing out whatever the original name meant they have clearly embraced a different meaning of the word "chiefs."

on the other hand, i do have a problem with those racist farks in washington dc.

I'm waiting for the outrage at the stereotypical leprechaun symbol of the Boston Celtics or the "fighting Irish" of Notre Dame. I'll be waiting a long time though since Irish-Americans seem to have been born without a giant stick up their ass like some others have been.

Brubold:I'm waiting for the outrage at the stereotypical leprechaun symbol of the Boston Celtics or the "fighting Irish" of Notre Dame. I'll be waiting a long time though since Irish-Americans seem to have been born without a giant stick up their ass like some others have been.

i thought it was because they were too drunk to organize a campaign against it.

also those teams represented large irish american communities (irish catholic and boston), rather than say a team in washington dc (not exactly a historical friend to native americans) going by common racial slur.

/also a leprechaun is a mythical creature from irish folklore, not a depiction of the irish.

Dafatone:Brubold: Also, it would interesting to cross-reference those who are in support of the Native Americans on this issue but who supported Elizabeth Warren's (Fauxcahontas) election.

...really? Really?

Just keep sticking it to them libs, I guess.

It's a valid point. Here they are fighting for political correctness for the most asinine of reasons and yet they supported a woman's election when she had falsely claimed to be Native American to try and get preferential treatment in college. Can you imagine the crap storm if a conservative had done that?

Brubold:I'm waiting for the outrage at the stereotypical leprechaun symbol of the Boston Celtics or the "fighting Irish" of Notre Dame. I'll be waiting a long time though since Irish-Americans seem to have been born without a giant stick up their ass like some others have been.

Brubold:Dafatone: Brubold: Also, it would interesting to cross-reference those who are in support of the Native Americans on this issue but who supported Elizabeth Warren's (Fauxcahontas) election.

...really? Really?

Just keep sticking it to them libs, I guess.

It's a valid point. Here they are fighting for political correctness for the most asinine of reasons and yet they supported a woman's election when she had falsely claimed to be Native American to try and get preferential treatment in college. Can you imagine the crap storm if a conservative had done that?

this is the sports tab where sports related issues are discussed. please keep the politics (particularly politics which are in no way related to sports) on the politics tab and the fark out of the sports tab.

Brubold:Dafatone: Brubold: Also, it would interesting to cross-reference those who are in support of the Native Americans on this issue but who supported Elizabeth Warren's (Fauxcahontas) election.

...really? Really?

Just keep sticking it to them libs, I guess.

It's a valid point. Here they are fighting for political correctness for the most asinine of reasons and yet they supported a woman's election when she had falsely claimed to be Native American to try and get preferential treatment in college. Can you imagine the crap storm if a conservative had done that?

No, I can't, because sane people don't whine about something that happened 20 years ago, had zero impact, and wasn't ever proven wrong in the first place.

A Fark Handle:Brubold: Dafatone: Brubold: Also, it would interesting to cross-reference those who are in support of the Native Americans on this issue but who supported Elizabeth Warren's (Fauxcahontas) election.

...really? Really?

Just keep sticking it to them libs, I guess.

It's a valid point. Here they are fighting for political correctness for the most asinine of reasons and yet they supported a woman's election when she had falsely claimed to be Native American to try and get preferential treatment in college. Can you imagine the crap storm if a conservative had done that?

this is the sports tab where sports related issues are discussed. please keep the politics (particularly politics which are in no way related to sports) on the politics tab and the fark out of the sports tab.

The politics we're discussing are related to the subject which just happens to be on the sports tab.

Dafatone:Brubold: Dafatone: Brubold: Also, it would interesting to cross-reference those who are in support of the Native Americans on this issue but who supported Elizabeth Warren's (Fauxcahontas) election.

...really? Really?

Just keep sticking it to them libs, I guess.

It's a valid point. Here they are fighting for political correctness for the most asinine of reasons and yet they supported a woman's election when she had falsely claimed to be Native American to try and get preferential treatment in college. Can you imagine the crap storm if a conservative had done that?

No, I can't, because sane people don't whine about something that happened 20 years ago, had zero impact, and wasn't ever proven wrong in the first place.

It was proven that she had no valid proof that she was part Native American and yet checked the box on the application. That it had no impact on her getting in to the school is irrelevant. She did it because she thought it would help her get in. Arguing that it doesn't matter for that reason is like saying, "Hey I drove home drunk but I didn't hit anybody so it's okay."

Brubold:A Fark Handle: Brubold: Dafatone: Brubold: Also, it would interesting to cross-reference those who are in support of the Native Americans on this issue but who supported Elizabeth Warren's (Fauxcahontas) election.

...really? Really?

Just keep sticking it to them libs, I guess.

It's a valid point. Here they are fighting for political correctness for the most asinine of reasons and yet they supported a woman's election when she had falsely claimed to be Native American to try and get preferential treatment in college. Can you imagine the crap storm if a conservative had done that?

this is the sports tab where sports related issues are discussed. please keep the politics (particularly politics which are in no way related to sports) on the politics tab and the fark out of the sports tab.

The politics we're discussing are related to the subject which just happens to be on the sports tab.

what elizabeth warren did or did not do is in no farking way related to what the braves and other native named teams do and whether or not those teams' actions are racist, offensive, or farking stupid. if you want to biatch about warren do it elsewhere. if you want to argue that washington wetbacks should be an acceptable team you can do that here.

Brubold:Dafatone: Brubold: Dafatone: Brubold: Also, it would interesting to cross-reference those who are in support of the Native Americans on this issue but who supported Elizabeth Warren's (Fauxcahontas) election.

...really? Really?

Just keep sticking it to them libs, I guess.

It's a valid point. Here they are fighting for political correctness for the most asinine of reasons and yet they supported a woman's election when she had falsely claimed to be Native American to try and get preferential treatment in college. Can you imagine the crap storm if a conservative had done that?

No, I can't, because sane people don't whine about something that happened 20 years ago, had zero impact, and wasn't ever proven wrong in the first place.

It was proven that she had no valid proof that she was part Native American and yet checked the box on the application. That it had no impact on her getting in to the school is irrelevant. She did it because she thought it would help her get in. Arguing that it doesn't matter for that reason is like saying, "Hey I drove home drunk but I didn't hit anybody so it's okay."

"It was proven that she had no valid proof"? What does that even mean?

If your parents tell you you're part Native American, you generally don't demand proof. That's not how normal people work.

Dafatone:Brubold: Dafatone: Brubold: Dafatone: Brubold: Also, it would interesting to cross-reference those who are in support of the Native Americans on this issue but who supported Elizabeth Warren's (Fauxcahontas) election.

...really? Really?

Just keep sticking it to them libs, I guess.

It's a valid point. Here they are fighting for political correctness for the most asinine of reasons and yet they supported a woman's election when she had falsely claimed to be Native American to try and get preferential treatment in college. Can you imagine the crap storm if a conservative had done that?

No, I can't, because sane people don't whine about something that happened 20 years ago, had zero impact, and wasn't ever proven wrong in the first place.

It was proven that she had no valid proof that she was part Native American and yet checked the box on the application. That it had no impact on her getting in to the school is irrelevant. She did it because she thought it would help her get in. Arguing that it doesn't matter for that reason is like saying, "Hey I drove home drunk but I didn't hit anybody so it's okay."

"It was proven that she had no valid proof"? What does that even mean?

If your parents tell you you're part Native American, you generally don't demand proof. That's not how normal people work.

My grandfather told me I'm part Native American. No, I didn't demand proof but I would never have checked that box on an application based on what he told me.

Anyway, you've proven my point. You supported Warren but are against the Braves on this other matter. Thus you're a hypocrite.

Brubold:Also, it would interesting to cross-reference those who are in support of the Native Americans on this issue but who supported Elizabeth Warren's (Fauxcahontas) election.

This just blew my mind. What would my life be like if I were interested in cross-referencing those who are in support of the Native Americans on this issue but who supported Elizabeth Warren's (Fauxcahontas) election? Wow.

Brubold:Dafatone: Brubold: Dafatone: Brubold: Dafatone: Brubold: Also, it would interesting to cross-reference those who are in support of the Native Americans on this issue but who supported Elizabeth Warren's (Fauxcahontas) election.

...really? Really?

Just keep sticking it to them libs, I guess.

It's a valid point. Here they are fighting for political correctness for the most asinine of reasons and yet they supported a woman's election when she had falsely claimed to be Native American to try and get preferential treatment in college. Can you imagine the crap storm if a conservative had done that?

No, I can't, because sane people don't whine about something that happened 20 years ago, had zero impact, and wasn't ever proven wrong in the first place.

It was proven that she had no valid proof that she was part Native American and yet checked the box on the application. That it had no impact on her getting in to the school is irrelevant. She did it because she thought it would help her get in. Arguing that it doesn't matter for that reason is like saying, "Hey I drove home drunk but I didn't hit anybody so it's okay."

"It was proven that she had no valid proof"? What does that even mean?

If your parents tell you you're part Native American, you generally don't demand proof. That's not how normal people work.

My grandfather told me I'm part Native American. No, I didn't demand proof but I would never have checked that box on an application based on what he told me.

Anyway, you've proven my point. You supported Warren but are against the Braves on this other matter. Thus you're a hypocrite.