Horrifying video shows trans girl ‘harassed by school staff’ in bathroom. In the clip, the student is on the toilet with their trousers down while several adults, reportedly members of staff at the school, break into the stall, allowing several males to peer into the stall.

The school said: “[The] staff works very hard every day to help ensure an inclusive school where all students feel welcome, respected and safe.

They seem to have a very distorted concept of feeling welcome, respected and safe.

hugehangingballs 1819

The school said: “[The] staff works very hard every day to help ensure an inclusive school where all students feel welcome, respected and safe.

They seem to have a very distorted concept of feeling welcome, respected and safe.

More like a distorted concept of "all".

GrumpyWendigo 605

some people think the perversion here is being trans

these same people apparently do not think the perversion is being really really interested in the normal things someone is doing alone in a bathroom stall, and feeling really strongly like they have to get involved in that, and they somehow have a right to transgress on someone's privacy because of their "concern"

hugehangingballs 294

So stupid. You know what I think about when going to the bathroom in a public restroom?

You are under the mistaken assumption that these people recognize her as a person.

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dbadefense1990 50

Trump, the alt-right and other Bible-thumping conservatives consider LBGTQ people an inferior species, let alone a human being.

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The_Ruff_Buff -41

Nice assumption yourself . Also did you consider how your comment could be hurtful to trans people?

queeraspie 66

I am a trans person, and that’s my experience with transphobic people obsessed with bathrooms, they don’t see us as people.

Stlr_Mn

May I ask something? I rarely get a chance to, especially in this specific situation. Also I don't know what you were responding to since the comment was deleted

driftingfornow

Person, I am sorry. People can be really deplorable and I don’t understand how anyone could not see you as a person.

Imkindaalrightiguess 7

I don't think you understand how any of this works

MaievSekashi

Fuck off troll

MediumDrink 431

Of all the inane non-issues people in America are obsessed with trans people using bathrooms is probably the one I find most insane. Like, this poor girl is being harassed because of what? There is literally no evidence that at any point ever someone has, even once, taken advantage of bathroom laws to...I’m not even sure what they think a man is going to do in a women’s room that’s so awful. And since it has literally never once happened I guess they don’t either.

gynoidgearhead 196

Honestly, in addition to being wretched, it's also a giant fucking distraction being used by the right as a wedge issue to keep convincing people to vote against their own interests - much like abortion and gay marriage have been used the same way. For every minute spent on a conservative thinkpiece or a religious sermon about how trans people are evul, that's one minute not spent on how the wealthy are squeezing all of the money out of the economy and stashing it away, or on how gun violence or preventable disease kills Americans every day.

kayleepop 80

YES!

Same with immigration, gun control, and abortions IMO.

These things only affect a small minority of Americans, but things like healthcare, minimum wage, student loan debt, and a broken justice system affect basically everyone.

Like, they're important issues, but they shouldn't be a priority when there are much bigger issues, and it's pretty clear that these are being used to distract from those bigger issues.

froggielo1 91

Exactly. I went to college and lived on a floor that was all women, but girls had their bfs over every night and they used our communal bathroom i never once felt unsafe.

ShelSilverstain 79

Why can't this lead to private bathroom? It's time to harness the energy of these hateful people to our advantage!

Hollowgolem 101

Or eradicate sex-segregation entirely and just have one restroom for everyone.

Sheairah 136

I honestly think a row of toilets/nappy changing stalls with top to bottom doors and surveilled sink areas would serve everyone perfectly fine. You get absolute privacy within your stall and there’s no worry that anyone will pull some shifty shit at the sink.

LeTreacs 65

We had one at the night club on campus. It was awesome, when out with a mixed group we no longer lost the girls for 2 hours every time they needed a wee.

The bouncers weren’t to chuffed with the shagging couples, but that didn’t affect me

Transploration 47

I'm on high alert every time I use a public restroom because of all the angry transphobes in this world.

GarionIsMyName

There is evidence of people doing it, that doesn't mean it's a common thing though. I wouldn't go saying things like that without researching though.

unclejessiesoveralls 134

The school said: “[The] staff works very hard every day to help ensure an inclusive school where all students feel welcome, respected and safe.

Yes they looked like they were working very hard casually opening the stall lock, both male and female staff peering in at her, then leaving the door to the stall and hall open. What a bullshit, meaningless quote that is. Also clearly they didn't think she was endangering herself in there or they would have been moving faster to help her.

R_lynn

They literally turned around after they opened the door, and said that she had been in there for an excessive amount of time. Their backs were to her as she was in the bathroom, no one once entered the stall, and their were teachers blocking the entrance to the bathroom.

unclejessiesoveralls

There are two men's faces and a woman's face looking into the camera held by the student on the toilet. If all their backs were turned, you would not have seen the woman looking directly in, the cop looking directly in, and the man in the bathroom doorway looking directly in. The freeze frame pic at the head of the article is literally three people looking into the stall. The cop continued to chat with the female teacher while facing the stall. So no, they didn't immediately give her privacy.

Sorcatarius 76

Maybe they were aiming to make as many people feel welcome into that stall, if so, mission accomplished I guess.

UmbralApocrypha 69

That coupled with the irony of not giving details to respect the students "data privacy" sure as fuck didn't respect her physical privacy

GameShill 27

Welcome to be terrified, respected for their earnings potential, and safe to get shot, beaten, or traumatized.

Yup.

Modern US Schools are fantastic, as in they generate a lot of entertainment for the blood-hungry masses who are fans both of child sacrifice and somehow maintaining the moral high ground at the same time.

dbadefense1990 15

What they really mean is:

"The staff works very hard every day to help ensure a school where only cis, White, male students feel welcome, despite efforts from LIBTURDS to force non-cis, White males onto the school."

prodmerc 3

[The] staff works very hard every day to help ensure an inclusive school where all normal students feel welcome, respected and safe.

FTFY

Classiceagle63

Hey!! I went to the rival high school of this one!

Alejo418 -10

Per her family, the school made a TRANS bathroom at every restroom area SPECIFICALLY FOR her. Because she was still in transition and until it was complete they did not want it to be ambiguous and up for someone to debate. Her family posted a response about how much the school bends over backwards to make sure she has what she needs through every step of the process. She pre-planned this event and all of the drama because she wanted attention.

PrincessPlastilina 72

Even if that was true, barging in the bathroom like that when she has her pants down is egregious. Adults cannot possibly believe they have this much authority and power over young people. How hard is it to fucking wait until she’s done and then have a talk with her? Why does it always have to be the worst way to handle it the chosen way? These are the people in charge. They’re supposed to know better. I would blast them online too “look at this grown ass adults opening the door when I have my pants down.” It’s wrong. It’s absolutely wrong.

Alejo418 0

I completely agree that it is, at no point did I ever mean to give the impression that I agree with how the school acted in this situation. just that this scenario is not being depicted 100% properly by the teen. The whole situation is fucked up, but she is not free of fault.

Keeing 22

Who fucking cares. There is no context that makes this even slightly ok.

SayWhatWho

Yes, there is. Sure, from what I've seen this doesn't appear to be the correct context to excuse this behaviour, but there are some situations that this would be appropriate IMO.

Keeing

Sure there is some context, but none of the people in this situation believed in any sort of ok context.

SayWhatWho

I'm genuinely confused as to what you mean there sorry.

I belive that if they had any cause to belive the student was self harming or attempting suicide then their actions would be justified. There's nothing shown in the video however to suggest this, the video is fairly short and misses out alot of the build up. We also don't know enough about the student or any events that may have taken place beforehand to make a proper informed judgement on this situation.

CongratsBroGoodJob 9

She has no fault in this because even with context this is fucked up and it’s fucked up you even try to lay blame on the obvious victim of this. You’re just piece of shit.

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smerf

You're assuming the school's decision was correct here. It wasn't. Minnesota's board of education recommends pretty much the exact opposite of what they've done.

Yonefi

A trans bathroom was added for her? Wow that doesn’t make what they did ok, but at this point she’s just trying to poke the bear

bro_before_ho

Just accept segregation no biggie

HalfajarofVictoria 8

I argue that she has any fault. It looks like the school went against recommendations of the Minn Board of Ed: "The incident comes despite guidance issued by the Minnesota Department of Education in 2017, which states: “Transgender and gender nonconforming students should be afforded the opportunity to use the restroom of
their choice.

“Any student who wishes not to share a restroom with a transgender or gender nonconforming student can be provided a private space such as a single-user restroom.”

PrincessPlastilina

Dude, this is not her fault at all. Wtf. Nobody has the right to open the door when you’re on the toilet. She is a MINOR. I don’t care if she was being a brat or broke a stupid rule. This isn’t a power struggle and not worth all this drama. Any adult who sinks this low isn’t well equipped to handle children. These are the same adults who don’t know how to handle bullies who beat other kids, but funnily enough they pull all the stops for gays kids or trans kids. Funny how that works.

Skeetskeet4510 50

Even if she pre-planned this it’s fucked that they even think it’s okay to use random items to open the door of a stall that a child is using.

LostLogin 12

Agree. If she set a trap, then they leapt in.

Alejo418

I completely agree

Forgetful_Suzy 49

Even if this is true, there's still gotta be a way to deal with this besides breaking into the stall....? Like maybe waiting for her to come out to reprimand her.

definitely-not-julie 38

Where did you see this?

Alejo418

Updated with the link

unclejessiesoveralls 35

Even if this story isn't total bullshit, they knew she was using the toilet and opened the stall lock so that both male and female faculty members could look in at her, then left the door open prison-style while she finished going to the bathroom. In no world at all is that okay, and I highly doubt a school that would build extra "trans bathrooms" for a single mid-transition student would also be so cavalier about exposing her and looking at her and violating her privacy. You don't stalk someone into a bathroom because "you don't want it to be ambiguous" - you do it to humiliate (or, worse, look at a student's genitals). If they were willing to do that to her, I'm glad she taped it and got attention focused on the faculty who were violating her privacy.

Under_the_Gaslight 33

Sounds like you made that up.

Alejo418

Updated the post with the link

Under_the_Gaslight

So the original source for your claim is an unverified Facebook post where the people claiming the student is seeking attention calls her “he” though out?

Doesn’t sound like they’re a good judge of “bending over backwards” to make people feel accommodated and neither are you.

LSP00 33

She pre planned having teachers go into a trans bathroom and break into the stall she was using?

Beckkr

She was not in the trans bathroom, she was in the women’s bathroom. They shouldn’t have broken into the stall, but they literally made bathrooms just for her.

HalfajarofVictoria

Was the other bathroom requested by the student? Because segregating her still feels othering. It looks like the school went against recommendations of the Minn Board of Ed: "The incident comes despite guidance issued by the Minnesota Department of Education in 2017, which states: “Transgender and gender nonconforming students should be afforded the opportunity to use the restroom of their choice.

“Any student who wishes not to share a restroom with a transgender or gender nonconforming student can be provided a private space such as a single-user restroom.”

the_fickle_pickle

She refused to use the colored water fountain, so what choice did they have?

AliceMadder

She's a woman. The women's bathroom is for her.

ifyougetmadiwin

she's not though, she's trans.

AlmightyKyuss 18

Evidence or it never happened.

bluesmaker 16

Link?

Alejo418

Updated it in the post

Abrahamlinkenssphere 10

I found the guy who works for that school^

Riggs94 -5

This is interesting. There is always more to the story. Good to hear both sides. Do you have a link?

wheniaminspaced

Looking at the photo posted, the man there appears to have what might be a police badge on his belt. I'm thinking there is more to the story.

Alejo418

Updated the post with it

Alejo418

Updated it in my post

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Leakyradio

It’s there go to PR statement.

Not how they actually feel.

the_real_junkrat

But a very clear concept of how to lie.

Slufoot7

I don’t want to blast all the staff without having their side of the story but it does not look good. Hope she’s okay.

ScAreCrow2110

Most students......

Strawberrycocoa 6894 S

At what point are you getting a group of people around a teenager who is using the toilet and thinking to yourself, "This is fine. This state of affairs is acceptable behavior."

Hellfirehello 1574 S x 2G

At the point of needing to feel morally superior over petty things like bathroom rules so you can play cop or the big bad adminidrator you are.

Slorgasm 5860

Honestly stuff like this makes me so glad that kids have such easy access to video, social media, etc. in the past this kid would have such a hard time getting any kind of justice for this incident. Call those ignorant fuckers out.

luciferslandlord -37

None of us know the full story here though. Even if opening the stall was just so wrong.

PrincessPlastilina 60

Dude, she’s a minor. That’s the full story thanks to them. Anything else doesn’t matter anymore because what they did was incredibly wrong and you should know that full well. Adults don’t open the doors when a kid is sitting on the toilet. Don’t justify this. There are better ways to handle it without doing this. Was it that hard to wait until she left the bathroom. Did they really need to expose her like that to other students as well. This is humiliating.

This is the full story. Anything else is just minor details. A kid disobeying rules doesn’t mean adults get to invade her privacy like this. This is indefensible.

ScionoicS

They said it was so wrong. How is that justifying it?

Don't twist people's words. It's not honest at all.

We still don't know the full story. Bottom line. We are third party people. Even you. Figure it out.

bgi123

If something else happened to the kid like passing out from not drinking water etc then you would blame the school for not checking up on them.

Itzjaypthesecond

Then send one person in and ask if she is feeling well? No need take away her dignity.

ilikesunglazzes 42

The only reason to open a stall like that is if you are worried for their safety, or the safety of others.

They can chalk it up to “worried for others”, but no one seems to be in danger and their faces say they don’t care about the person in the stall.

asek13 -1

As much as i agree that breaking into the stall was not ok and especially if it's soley because she's trans, I think there's much more to the story here.

You can hear the women who opened stall say "(name) you've been in the bathroom for (inaudible as the girl starts calling them perverts)."

I don't think they suddenly barged in, and I doubt they didn't give her the opportunity to cover herself before resorting to breaking in. There's a lot of staff there including the school safety officer. This looks like the end to a long incident that she had a part in escalating.

HotUrsula

Was the plan to open the door and drag her off of the toilet? If they thought she was having a medical emergency why not call EMS? They as a group used absurdly poor judgement no matter the circumstances- not that I can think of a scenario in which I would be breaking into a bathroom stall to access a responsive person.

AndromedaRulerOfMen

There is literally no excuse for them to have done. No teacher or school staff should EVER do this. If she’s been in the bathroom long enough that they’re concerned, then call emergency services. If it’s not severe enough to call emergency services then it isn’t severe enough to rip the door off the stall.

Do you genuinely think they would have done this to a cisgender student?

Stangen18 -49

Hijacking top comment to share the additional info I read on this one. Apparently the student has their own restroom at the school that was to be used. The female students felt uneasy with the student being in the female restroom, so the school accommodated with their own. This student continues to just use whichever one they wish with no regards to anyone else. There was another post to which the students sister mentioned all of this.

Again ripping into the stall the student is in is wrong in a lot of ways. It seems that the student has been going against the very fair agreement to do what they want. If I remember correctly the students sister mentioned them doing it for attention at this point.

cyclone_madge 118

It wasn't that long ago that white students felt uncomfortable using the same bathroom/water fountain/bus seat/etc. as black students. They also had their own "black/colored"-only facilities. This changed, but it may not have if POC hadn't "just use(d) whichever one they wish(ed) with no regards to anyone else."

bananas21

Got a source for that? I'm pretty sure that black people could get beaten up if they tried to use whites side of things?

MiaBiaBadaboom

And they did. That was part of the Civil Rights movement. One can get sick enough of being treated differently/less than and start standing up for oneself, regardless of the fallout.

cyclone_madge

I really don't have time to give you a brief history of the American civil rights movement right now, but yes, there are plenty of examples of African-Americans "invading" legal and traditional whites-only spaces (bus seats, swimming pools, schools, etc.). No one is suggesting that this went unchallenged. They were physically attacked by civilians and police officers, they were arrested, their homes were burned. My point isn't that changing minds and attitudes is easy, it's that these minds and attitudes won't change if they're not challenged.

Itje4u 110

Actually if you read the article it says that the law there gives transgendered people the right to use the bathroom of their choice, and if anyone feels uncomfortable by that they (the people who feel uncomfortable) will be given access to a single-user bathroom. So she is by law allowed to use whatever bathroom she wishes.

Edit: spelling

Mymidnightescape 73

Forcing them to use a seperate bathroom isnt a fair agreement, its discrimination. And full god damn stop after that. As others have mentioned it wasnt that long ago that this was done to black citizens, and this situation is absolutely no different.

anzasage 69

no regards to anyone else

It's a bathroom! She does her business in her own stall. What regards do other people need?

DeathByTables 69

And when I was in school the students I was in pe classes with forced me to use a changing room at the other side of the school because they'd decided I was a lesbian and they "were uneasy" around me.

Stuff like that is a bullying tactic. It is not unreasonable to be able to use a bathroom stall for goodness sake.

mommyof4not2

I'm sorry that happened to you. I hope every one of them thinks about what they did and it eats them alive. Even if you were a lesbian, what a gigantic freaking ego on them for thinking you'd be bothering to look at them sexually when you already know their disgusting personality.

AndromedaRulerOfMen 41

You are sharing unverified information to make “the student” look like the villain. You are totally avoiding gendering her, and using the wrong pronouns for her.

So even if what you’re spreading is true, she is entitled to use the bathroom that matches her gender. It’s wrong for her to be forced to use a different bathroom than the other girls. It’s wrong to force her into some “separate but equal” individual bathroom. She is doing the right thing by refusing to be forced into that.

BillyYumYumTwo-byTwo 16

You’re argument is wrong for many reasons, and plenty of more articulate people than me are arguing with you. I just wanted to also point out that having one bathroom in an entire school is absurd. Teachers expect you to be change books and go to the bathroom in the allotted five minutes. How far does she have to travel to relieve herself? If she does during class, she could very easily miss 10-15 minutes of learning. That’s absurd to expect that of her.

Hollowgolem

In poorer school districts here in Texas there isn't the money to repair all the plumbing needed to have a reasonable number of functioning bathrooms. It is not unusual for rural, and some urban, schools here to have the problem of inadequate restroom access.

BillyYumYumTwo-byTwo

Wow, that’s horrible. I shouldn’t be surprised, but sometimes I forget how good I had it growing up and not everyone had that.

lilsmudge

I’m trans. And, while granted, I would love my own bathroom for personal reasons, I also should not be restricted from using the bathroom like anyone else. If I’m doing something that makes people uncomfortable, that’s on me, but has nothing to do with my gender. If people are uncomfortable because I’m present but not doing anything wrong, that’s on them.

Using a toilet isn’t a cry for attention, it’s an attempt to be a normal teenager who needs to take a shit during school hours. It’s not fair to be barred from public places because of my gender any more than it’s fair for others to be barred from public places for their skin.

Stangen18

I fully agree. I am going off of what I have heard from this particular situation. The law stating that any transgender individual may use the restroom of their choosing unless one is provided for the student. The school went ahead and did that. Now the other female students reaching out and claiming that it makes them uncomfortable we would need to learn more as to why. If it is a matter of the individual themselves, or a trans phobia. I fully support the idea of all restrooms being gender neutral. Would actually save a lot of modern day headaches.

So my only concern on this then is since you are trans, in this situation why do you feel the student is uncomfortable in the male restroom? It is just to use the restroom and go on with their day correct? Or are they afraid of bullying in there?

lilsmudge

So many reasons. Bullying, particularly for transwomen, and full on assault are extremely common when using the wrong restroom. It’s also not the right restroom for her. She’s not a man, why would she use the men’s restroom? Asking her to do so is pretty insulting and painful. I wouldn’t ask a cis-woman with PCOS to use the men’s because she has a bit of a beard and it makes other woman uncomfortable when she walks in. There is next to no reason to prevent trans people from using the restroom that aligns with their gender; but using the opposite restroom can open huge cans of worms.

I also think it’s discriminatory to force someone to use a separate bathroom for reasons outside their control. I am not equal but separate, I’m equal. Don’t devalue me or allow others to think it’s ok to treat me differently. I think that law is bullshit and should be changed, if that is in-fact the law there.

ASLCP

"Very fair agreement"? She just wanted to pee in the girls bathroom and because ignorant girls "felt uneasy" they quarantined her to a private restroom.

Do you think black people should go back to having segregated restrooms because some people "felt uneasy" sharing a restroom with them?

ScionoicS

She got an entire bathroom all to herself. I doubt the school was intending it as a quarantine. That is above and beyond.

At what point does her deciding she's not comfortable with an exclusive bathroom over rule the other girl's feelings of uncomfort?

They went above and beyond for her. The easier solution would've been to disregard all the other girls feelings for this one individual's benefit.

friendlygaywalrus

Imagine just trying to piss and being treated like you arent really a woman or a man

All this does is teach the other kids at school that it really is ok to treat trans people as other. I know its a complex issue, but you’ve got to think about whether you’d be satisfied with a “separate but equal” restroom to avoid offending your peers

ScionoicS

It's a super complex issue and I sympathize with her as much as I could.

She was also given an entire bathroom to use exclusively. That's a detail I can sympathize with too. I don't see a problem now.

At what point does respecting her wishes over rule the other girls in the school? The school felt like it was their responsibility to accommodate everyone and gave this student a bathroom for exclusive use. That's a huge concession made by them.

I don't think this has anything to do with not recognizing her identity. Rather it is her not respecting the agreements. That's my take away. Being dishonest and acting like they were being perverted is not the way to affect change. Were this a civil disobedience exercise, honesty is the best policy.

driftingfornow

I am disabled. My grandma doesn’t like being around me because it makes her sad to look at me because I became disabled at 24.

I know this is an analogue but bear with me for this thought experiment.

If I were at my old work at an elementary school and people decided that I was too sad to look at when I eat lunch in the shared break room, and they gave me my own break room and told me that I have to use that because it makes people too sad, is that fair?

Because I don’t see the difference. It’s obviously not about sex. Bathrooms aren’t (99.9% of the time) sexual places. Lesbians can use the women’s bathrooms, and they are attracted to women. Gay men are attracted to men and they use the men’s bathroom.

So I don’t see the problem. These people should just grow up.

M-Marchbanks

Someone needs to give you Gold urgently because this explanation was good and objective at level r/explainlikeimfive

ASLCP

This is a "sweep it under the rug" response to the issue. She just wanted to use the girls restroom like a normal girl, because she is a girl. Giving in to the other girl's misguided uneasy feeling is justifying transphobia. Affirming the idea that there is something "wrong" with her using that restroom.

Assigning her a private restroom isn't accommodation, it's ostracizing her. Other schools have attempted the same thing and it leads to further bullying.

ImNotHereStopAsking

People were born black, they didn't make the choice to take hormones or in your analogy melanin pills

Kaytwo-

Wow, way to rehash pro-segregation arguments to hurt trans children.

"The other students felt uncomfortable sharing a drinking fountain with a black child so the school gave her one just for herself. Darn child keeps using the normal water fountain though."

MajorTrouble

Source?

AndromedaRulerOfMen

Their ass

Chelesto

Citation or reference please? 2. I’m a cisfemale who “continues to just use whichever [bathroom I] wish with no regards to anyone else” and this has never been a problem for me. It’s obviously privileged that I can do that but it’s also an opportunity to point out that the fact that no ones harassed me indicates that the use of different bathrooms (private, shared) is a fairly common occurrence that can be a lot less alarmist than the schools response appears to have been.

Scruffy442

How do they feel uncomfortable when they all have seperate stalls? Stupid kids. Its not like a sports stadium where they are peeing in 30 foot trough.

cyclone_madge

Its not like a sports stadium where they are peeing in 30 foot trough.

Never mind that things like that don't even exist in women's or unisex bathrooms.

I actually was attacked (mildly) in the girls' bathroom once while I was in high school. Three cis girls who didn't like me because I was friends with someone else they didn't like cornered me by the sinks and pushed me around a little bit before someone else walked in and they backed off.

Bathrooms can be an unsafe place, but generally not because of trans people. (Although they're statistically less safe for trans people.) But I have an easy solution - just remove the main doors and enclose all toilets/urinals in stalls, ideally ones with floor-to-ceiling walls and doors. That way people have privacy and security when they need it (ie. when they're taking a piss or a shit) and people who might want to hurt them aren't hidden from the view of people in the rest of building.

brufleth

Do you're claiming she had a separate but equal bathroom.

CrossBreedP 5041

Even if they Misgender the student as a boy WHY IN THE FUCK would it be okay to OPEN THE STALL AND LOOK AT HER? Fucking why. Like what the fuck.

WalkiesVanWinkle 2071

Seriously. Everyone, regardless of gender, should be allowed to go to the bathroom in peace. Fuck's sake.

Banantics 262

I can't imagine how that embarrassing that would be. That student deserves privacy while going to the bathroom, regardless of whether they're in the "correct" bathroom or not.

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cinnamonbrook

She was in her own bathroom.

PrincessPlastilina 472

Because adults think they have all the power and authority over young people, no exceptions. This why so many kids are mistreated and abused. Adults think it’s their right to treat kids however they please and like kids don’t have rights or privileges or privacy unless the people in charge say so. The fact that many adults hit their kids when they would get arrested for hitting another adult says a lot. Or how so many parents give no privacy to their children. This is fucking abusive. These adults had no right to see her with her pants down and humiliate her like that. There are better ways to deal with this, people.

worm30478 80

I'm a teacher and the only power I want over the kids I teach is I tell them to be quiet and they do. This power has more to do with the culture of hard work that has been established. I work hard to create that. Kids know they can't f around in my room. I smile because I was successful in creating that and maintaining that but never have I enjoyed it because I feel like I'm wielding any form of "power". It is amazing how many "educators" make horrible decisions that are obviously horrible decisions, like this one.

Hollowgolem 67

Fellow educator here, and there are plenty of tin-pot tyrants at my campus who love lording over kids with rules that basically just exist to give them an excuse to order them around.

I try to keep my classroom rules functional and barebones. And because of that, I have very few discipline problems, because my kids see my guidelines as fair and functional, rather than existing to give me an excuse to punish them if I don't like them, or whatever other interpretations they have.

I could NEVER imagine invading one of my students' privacy this way, though. I would be disrespecting them in a way I would not allow them to do to myself or a fellow student. Absolutely ridiculous.

Caelinus 32

I can't imagine invading anyone's privacy this way full stop, regardless of whatever gender they are or relative positions of power exist. It is so far outside of normal, appropriate, behavior that I can only assume the people involved in it have completely lost touch with reality.

I can also not imagine even the worst teachers I ever had doing this. The most petty and tyrannical of them wouldn't dare to do something so obviously and demonstrably wrong. It would be like walking into a police station and punching a police officer, there is just no way it would end well for you.

I am just having a hard time wrapping my head around this. These people need to be brought up on charges. They say that the clip misrepresented what happened, but I can not imagine a circumstance that fits the situation where they acted in an even remotely appropriate manner.

Even if this kid was somehow an evil unicorn of a person who was pretending to be trans in order to harass women, (a situation that is unlikely to the extreme) this was the absolute worst way they could have handled that, and is still sexual harassment on their part. You are not allowed to commit crimes against someone just because they may or may not have also committed a crime.

So yeah, they just sexually harassed a minor. No context will make that any better.

xxkoloblicinxx 44

And people like that shouldn't be educators.

They do far more harm than good.

ImThatGuyToday 11

Put more money into education. I'm a teacher proudly but I wont say the bar to entry was very high.

dixohm 33

I once had my door locked so my dad literally body slammed his way through it and opened it through the holes in the door and beat my ass around my room until I was cowering in my closet, still getting hit in the face. My parents were old so they were very "classical" in the way they delt punishments. Door stayed that way for months.

ScionoicS 5

Not all adults. Usually those ones end up getting a career working with children .

TheSexiestSeaMonkey 1

Some adults. But yes, well said!

idontalwaysfactcheck

Replace adults with "people" and kids with "other people", and it's accurate.

caravaggihoe 371

It’s funny that those who preach about how important having gendered toilets is often use the excuse that having different genders in bathrooms would lead to harassment but the only person being harassed here is a trans girl. Why can’t everyone just let people shit in peace. It’s a fucking bathroom. I don’t care who uses it as long as it’s kept clean. Imagine being so entitled that you feel you have the right to open a toilet stall that someone is using because you want to check which genitals they have. Disgusting.

chahud 363

Thing is if it was just a boy who accidentally went into the woman’s bathroom (may or may not be realistic but bear with me) to poo, they would not be doing this. Likely nothing would have happened except maybe a teacher going to say something. The reason they were so aggressive and disgusting was JUST because she’s trans. For some reason these self righteous perverts just wanted to invade the privacy of this girl and try and shame her. Really makes me sad

RonGio1 107

Yeah I didn't get this either.

Okay you think this trans person is in the wrong bathroom. Let's table that for a moment.

Let the person use the bathroom and chat about it afterwards.

c_girl_108 85

Not only that but they can't even feign that they didn't know she was using the bathroom, feared for her safety, or was using elicit drugs, because the article says one of them peeked over the top AND THEN they proceeded to stick things over the door to jimmy the latch open AFTER confirming all she was doing was going to the bathroom. People who put cameras in restroom stalls and toilets get charged as sex offenders, why are these staff members not in trouble for oggling a minor using the bathroom and then breaking into the stall?

If they really had an issue with her using the bathroom, they could have waited outside until she was finished to reprimand her, there was no reason to break down the door and stare at a minor who's genitalia was exposed because they felt she was using the wrong bathroom. This isn't even about transgender rights at this point, it's straight up inappropriate sexual contact with a minor.

Wouldn't this be considered sexual harassment, and shouldn't they all be on a list since they were underage?

stakkar 13

I doubt they even let her wash her hands :(

9000yardsofbliss 8

Cheap thrills and mobbing.

Noltonn 6

Seriously. I can kinda understand the general argument on the side against having trans students use their self assigned gendered bathroom, but how fucked do you have to be in the head to pull that stunt? Unless they thought they were shooting up heroin in there, they coulda just waited till they came out, right?

Like seriously what the fuck.

Starlord_who 40

Thing is I get it, transgender stuff is new to you but this is what people who are transphobic,homophobic, and assholes all want. They want power and control over people, they want to humilitate others, give someone an inch(like you saying "I guess I can see why people wouldn't want trans people in bathrooms" and they'll take it a mile(this video)

Noltonn 3

Yeah but the alternative is being dishonest with myself and acting like the world is a black and white place. I can see the merit of the arguments against, even if I'm largely for it myelf. The fact that some people take that and run with it is not my responsibility.

Also, wouldn't exactly call it new to me, though thanks for the assumption, as I've been arguing about things like this, for over a decade know. I know people, am friends with people, and have family, that are trans. That doesn't mean that I automatically have to fully agree with every single statement made by them, and that doesn't mean that I can't see when the other side has an argument with merit.

DerLang

They said stay out, probably got reported by real girls. He does it again, they’re going to open it and get him out. We take five craps a day, awkward sure, but they aren’t there for sexual reasons or phobic reasons. They want the 900 girls at the school to not worry about the weird dude who wants to be one of them really bad.

And yes, he’s weird. Look at his posing picture, there’s thousands of guys like that of all shapes and colors and sizes. I’ve met plenty, I’m weird too, in a very different way; I don’t have a problem with them, but they got a dick, so thy gotta go in the bathroom for humans with dicks.

Really can not fathom its that big a deal to people.. Reddit’s SJW base is massive, and I’m sure I’ll get downvoted away for this. But I don’t care, he got told no, did it again, punishment. Simple as that. He’ll get over it.

Chlorophyllmatic

If it’s something behavioral not just wait for the student to leave the stall before trying to administer discipline?

It could have been some sort of suicide/self-harm watch, in which case it would’ve been best to minimize the number of people present.

If it’s some sort of suicide/self-harm watch, in which case it would’ve been best to minimize the number of people present.

PhasmaFelis

I don’t have a problem with them, but they got a dick, so they gotta go in the bathroom for humans with dicks.

I don't know what kind of bathrooms you've been using, but around here dicks and pussies don't need different kinds of toilets.

wabiguan

Clearly you haven’t had the opportunity to invest in acting Attorny general Whittaker’s company that produces Toilets for well endowed men.

Sauce-Dangler

wait... you can use a urinal with a vagina? news to me..

MeerkatBrat

No but everybody can use a regular toilet

PhasmaFelis

They have urinals in toilet stalls where you're from?

verronaut

Oooor, you can use a stall. Men's bathrooms have those too, you know.

Fruiticus

FTM use a funnel type thing, because despite the anatomy, being in the women’s bathroom would make them as uncomfortable as you or I using the women’s bathroom. Crazy, maybe, but that’s the situation.

tedfundy

I did once to see if I could. It was a lot more difficult then I thought it would be. But not impossible.

thrattatarsha

Yo I’m gonna break into your bathroom stall and stare at your dick every time you take a shit from now on, because I told you “no”. You’re cool with that, right?

WizardofStaz

Wow you really think you know more than all of psychology and biology huh

polemous_asteri

Biology does not support or denounce transgender people as transgender is a state of mind. Biology, like all hard sciences, supports testable facts. Some of these facts include that Males have XY sex chromosomes and Females have XX sex chromosomes. There are cases a Male may have XXY chromosomes (Klinefelter Syndrome) but he is still a male. There are rare cases of ambiguous genitalia where the sex organs do not fully form but in these cases the child is still genetically a boy (XY) or a girl (XX).

I can not speak for psychology (social science not a hard science) but I really urge people to stop misusing hard science to support the transgender movement. From a scientific perspective this is going to lead to lots of problems and science is hard enough to teach without all these political opinions confusing everyone.

Please note the language used by NIH, such as "sexual development" "chromosomal make up" and the practice if referring to individual with these conditions as "they." They even acknowledge"gender identity" rather than "biologic sex"

I think as a whole the scientific community has largely moved on from "biologically male/ female" language with our understanding that it has less to do with the presence of an x or y chromosome and more to do with the presence of the SRY Gene itself. I'm certainly no expert but I have taken an interest in the recent work on the SRY Gene, and if you have anything to add I'd love to hear it.

WizardofStaz

Do you know what a hormone is. If you think transgender is purely thought-based you are not familiar with the science around it at all. Sex is not based purely on chromosomes but also on hormones, including those of the mother while the child is in the womb.

Psychology and neuroscience are not invalid just because you don't think they're "hard" enough to be valid. If you're not a scientist anymore you should defer to people who ARE experts instead of waving your half-baked opinions around like they mean anything. You don't seem to know even the most basic information about the biology of trans people.

Just admit you're a bigot because you think trans people are icky. It's not scientific or rational, you just think they're icky and shouldn't be respected. Just be up-front about your hatefulness and stop pretending there's any sort of rigor or valid reasoning behind it.

Sciencepole

I think you misunderstand what they wrote.

WizardofStaz

I think you misunderstand what a transgender person is. It's not just a "social movement" or whatever, it's a biologically definable thing. Claiming that someone's biology is all in their head is pretty classic gaslighting used by bigots to make oppressed people exist "outside" science, where they can be demonized as weirdos. Medical doctors, actual biologists, experts in psychiatric care all support the existence of transgender people as more than purely a mode of thought.

I think you should do a little research yourself into hormonal development of the fetus and how it relates to trans identity later in life. Many trans people absolutely have a biological root cause for their identity, and throwing out absurd statements like "you can have xxy chromosomes but you're still male" as though they have any scientific basis other than his own ass is ridiculous. Do many people with Klinefelters ID as male? Yes. Does that mean you have any scientific, biological basis to claim that a configuration with two x chromosomes in it is still 100% always male? Lol nope.

It's just unscientific bullshit ideology masquerading as truth because he's one of those le rational thinkers who assumes he's incapable of ever being subjective or wrong.

CommunismOrBarbarism

Lmao that's not how gender or sex works bucko go back to clown college

GlbdS

Look at any transgender man and please tell me that they should go in the women's toilets because they have a vagina.

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jojo_reference

Do you peek at other person's dicks in the urinals?

Fruiticus

No, but it’s ok if you do, so long as you don’t touch without permission.

jojo_reference

wHat

Fruiticus

I tell you wHat

tehninjabreadman

*him

Vacant_a_lot

Congrats. You did it. You convinced everyone who read your post that trans-women aren't actually women. How does it feel?

salothsarus

Fuck yourself to death

brightlocks

Hi! I’m a high school teacher and I have the classroom right across from the bathroom.

This isn’t the mall or the movie theater. If one of our students is sick, self harms, or overdoses in the stall, we’re both morally and legally responsible for that. On a lesser note, it’s not okay to skip class by hanging out in the stall and playing on your phone. We’re held accountable when they flunk geometry too.

If a student is spending an excessive time in the bathroom we send someone in to check on them. The majority of times, the student just comes out when someone notices. Occasionally they ARE ill in there and we have a nurse, administrator, coach, guidance counselor.... etc... assist the student.

But unlike the movie theater, we can’t accept “Nah I’m good” from a kid that’s in there forever and won’t open up. Drugs? Self harm? Embarrassing medical emergency? We don’t know, and we can’t just wait for the student to hit the floor before we come in.

There will be plenty of warning, but every single high school will open a stall door. I don’t know for a fact that this student had plenty of time, but it seems likely given the sheer number of people they managed to have on board by the time the video is made.

Is there a rights violation happening here? Or is this a teen being a jerk? I suspect the latter myself but IDK.

dodoconundrum

Either way it shouldn’t be happening in view of other students.

brightlocks

Definitely shouldn’t be done in view of students but I think it’s staff in the video.

cainite665

Hi! I’m a high school teacher

Given your stance on violating a student's privacy, I feel sorry for anyone you teach.

ReginaldJohnston 3890

Could they not have waited until she left the bathroom? I mean, not as if she could go anywhere.

loctopode 1255

Yeah, and if she refused to leave (as some people seem to be suggesting that she had) they could have called her parents/guardians or the police or something. If her life wasn't in danger, there's no reason to open the door and expose her.

Edit: Apparently there was police there, I didn't see their badge when I first watched the video.

MaievSekashi 915

I'd refuse to leave the bathroom if I was mid-shit too, that's absurd.

paxweasley 480

YOU FINISH SHITTING RIGHT NOW YOUNG LADY OR YOU'RE GONNA BE IN BIG TROUBLE

locomotivelimbs 92

This actually made me laugh audibly on the toilet.

PrincessPlastilina 293

And the police was outside too. That would be scary.

What an unnecessary drama to create and a waste of resources. Since when are the police babysitters? “Hey I can’t do my job and handle students. I should just called armed officers to come do my job for me because apparently I can’t think of anything better to do. Let’s just escalate this as much as possible because I don’t have patience or tools to deal with an incredibly minor inconvenience.” It’s a fucking bathroom.

Bunch of useless morons.

Technicolor-Panda 156

Wait until the girl leaves. Ask her to come into your office so you can talk. This is not hard.

PrincessPlastilina 109

Exactly. And if she was in fact being a brat, then suspend her or punish her some other way. Detention. Anything.

My principal handled things like this. She didn’t argue with kids or made a huge deal about things. If you broke a rule or were disrespectful to teachers, you were suspended and she had a long talk with your parents tha got you in even more trouble. Period. All this drama and calling the cops, like cops are babysitters or managers is unbelievable. People are ridiculous defending this. It’s like adults in charge let kids play them for fools every time.

Dirty-Soul 26

Abs-turd.

CaptainMorgansRum 19

Ass-turd?

CordialFutureDwight 24

Astrid.

CaptainMorgansRum 1

That username though

AndromedaRulerOfMen 134

It’s not police, it’s a school safety officer. They might also be a cop but they were acting on behalf of the school and not the police force during this.

ferrosemen 90

School safety officers are, in all jurisdictions I'm aware of, police officers. They do not represent the school. This becomes very important in cases like this and in search and seizure. An administrator/teacher has far more lenient requirements to conduct search and seizure or breach of privacy. In teacher's college, they specifically point out that if you feel the need to perform a search and are not certain that you have the legal grounds to do so, do not involve resource officers. That makes it a criminal justice issue instead of a school safety issue which have very different bars of justification for such actions. In any case, there was no reason to believe that the student was self-harming. Even if they were, it would not require more than two people to be in the restroom to open the stall and restrain her. This is clearly an overstep.

AndromedaRulerOfMen 7

I don’t believe this is true. When I went to school we had police officers AND school safety officers/school resource officers. The safety/resource officers were sometimes off duty LEO. Not always. And the key is off duty.

loctopode 12

Oh, I didn't know that was such a thing, thanks for telling me.

gurgle528 49

It's not, they're making a functional difference rather than an actual legal difference. A school resource officer is a full fledged officer with full police power and responsibilities. They neither represent the school nor act on behalf of the school

Iksuda 33

That's what you'd do whatever their gender, too. There's really no covering their stupidity up here.

Runesen 22

exactly, it is needless escalation of whatever happens, is she just shitting/peeing in peace? why would anyone try to do anything about that, unless to make more trouble, and calling the police is just mindnumbingly crazy

ScionoicS

She wasn't leaving and was intentionally causing a disruption. It had to end since it's not fair to everyone else for her to expect people to wait on her.

Doctor0000

Source on that?

thatsmyhoodie 2733 G x 2

I always call bs on anyone who says this stuff isn't transphobic. I am a female wheelchair user and (sorry, TMI) I sometimes need assistance in the restroom. No one has ever refused to let my husband or my Male assistant in the ladies room once we explained the situation. I also have a special needs son who can't go to the bathroom alone and no one cares if I take him with me or if I go with him to the men's room. The difference is that people understand my circumstances and have basic human decency towards me and my son. If it wasn't an issue of hate, then they would treat transgender people with the same decency.

c_girl_108 507

I totally agree with you. As a side note: The only time I've ever cared about a child in the women's room, regardless of the child's gender, is when their parent allows them to stick their head all the way under the stall to stare at me go to the bathroom and don't even reprimand them. Some of these kids are 7 and older and should not only know better, but why the heck does the parent not even say "don't do that" and let them continue to stare at me until either she's finished going or I am? It's very unnerving. I'm a mom, I get not wanting to leave your kid alone outside of the bathroom or the stall, there are a lot of bad people out there, but don't let them make other people uncomfortable without even attempting to correct them. And there's no way they don't notice their kid halfway in my stall or my shriek of surprise.

bunnyrut 172

Do you ever loudly and in an authoritative voice tell the child to get out?

c_girl_108 195

I used to, then I get "don't tell my kid what to do!"

aintscurrdscars 184

I mean if any head poked into my bathroom stall they'd learn very quickly via a boot to the face not to do that ever, forget warning n shit pain is a better teacher

thatsmyhoodie 55

He's 12 so he doesn't look like a child, but he has the mental age of 4 or so. I don't get why some kids like to peek into other stalls. I would be embarrassed if it was mine, but usually the parents don't say anything to the ones that do. It's weird to say the least.

c_girl_108 40

I don't understand the appeal either, but not saying anything when your kid is doing that is just insane.

Fpooner_vs_Fpoonee 67

Hate, fear, ignorance, a superiority complex......

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thatsmyhoodie

My child is not physically impaired. He has mental challenges and people make concessions for him as well. I don't know if I would go as far as to say that transgender people are mentally ill, but they have different needs that would be easy to accommodate. The difference is that people empathize with me, while many don't empathize with transgender people.

PastelSprite 2216

In a statement to CBS Minnesota, a spokesperson for the school claimed the video is “significantly misrepresenting the incident” but declined to give any alternate account of events.

Sorry, but in what context could what was shown in the video possibly be appropriate? They immediately turned around so it looks like they just wanted to see who was in the stall? Even if a cis male walked in there and is obviously sitting on a toilet(how can you not see legs in the stall?) how is this appropriate or called for?

Even if the student had done something wrong, just wait for them outside the bathroom.
The staff should be fired. They just forced their way into a private bathroom stall with a (presumably) under age student. Holy shit.

Runesen 445

I think they turned around because she had her pants around her ankles, but otherwise I agree, when they cant give any alternate account it doesnt look good, it looks like "we fucked up, and have no defense, please leave us alone" they could've just cited student safety/her safety or some rules violations etc. but they dont

LegitTeddyBears 106

Yeah when I saw that I was baffled, I can't think of a situation this is appropriate and clearly neither can they

in my school, You can use whatever bathroom you prefer. If a cis-man is uncomfortable with a trans man in the “men’s” bathroom, school administration has stated that the cis-man is welcome to use the single stall bathroom available to anyone. Policy is you get whatever bathroom you want, and if you are uncomfortable with or are unable to decide about which of the two larger restrooms to go into, there are three single stall bathrooms available on the second floor for anybody to use.

It does get better. Slowly, unfortunately, but better.

hassenpfeffer_inc 243

That's actually policy set by the MN board of education. MN has a very progressive policy on trans students and bathrooms, it just doesn't look like this particular school cares.

alexandra-mordant 70

As someone who graduated from that same district and still has siblings there, I can tell you this was absolutely not normal! I knew transgender students at both schools who were allowed to use whichever bathrooms they preferred with no comment from staff and usually students.

Banantics 40

I went to high school in MN with multiple transgender students ('03-'08) and there was never an issue with this. Like, it wasn't even a thing. Those students were accepted no matter what. It's hard to for me to imagine it any other way, and it's so saddening to imagine those students being discriminated against. Everyone deserves to be accepted.

xxkoloblicinxx 186

My college has a similar policy, as well as a number of Gender neutral bathrooms.

They're actually super convenient as many people assume they're just for trans people and avoid them. So they're usually open.

xxruruxx 156

My periods were so fickle, this would have been nice in high school.

I ended up firing back with a 504 plan and getting it at my high school, one of my teachers griefed me so much when I had to go.

Hellfirehello 93

My campus has gender neutral bathrooms. I don’t get the big deal, like if a man or woman wanted to rape another person of the opposite sex, can’t they just walk into that bathroom anyways since they aren’t gaurded at all. Like, having gender neutral restrooms won’t make a difference and be less protective of children and women using the bathroom.

Inyalowda 47

It does get better. Slowly, unfortunately, but better.

This may feel slow for those living it, but it is lightning fast compared to past civil rights movements.

Sauce-Dangler 24

what's a "cis-man"?

Boner-b-gone 128

To add to the other answers here -

So far as scientists can figure out at this point, physical sex and the part of the brain that deals with the sexual functioning actually develop separately, at two different points in the genome chain. We're talking about within the first several cell divisions possibly even. Think of it this way - instead of "men" or "women," let's talk about humans in computer terms - half of people come out as PCs, the other half come out as Macs. Interestingly, it's only the PCs and Macs that care what they are - reality is indifferent. So, sometimes early in the factory, Windows get an Apple kernel installed, and sometimes Apples get a Windows kernel installed. If you've ever run Bootcamp or a Hackintosh, you know that things might seem to work fine, but then there'll be sometimes where things just don't at all. Here's where computers and humans are different - where a wrong operating system would usually just crash a computer, humans develop something called "dysphoria," where their brain knows subconsciously that it was set up for one set of physical sex, and yet it shipped with another. To make matters even more complicated, some brains actually get set up somewhere in the middle, and the same thing can happen with physical sex (that condition is called hermaphroditism).

The brain is the important thing when it comes to gender. Because that part of the brain that is set up to handle the physical sex is also a large part of where a person gets their sense of "gender" from. So when your brain is set up for the opposite gender, that can be incredibly painful mentally.

If this still isn't making sense to you, think of the old TV show Quantum Leap. In it, a man has to dive into the body of a person to live out a part of their life, to help them achieve something they couldn't on their own, or to make him learn some sort of lesson. Anyway, in the show he sees himself as being himself. But when he looks in the mirror, he sees himself as he appears to others.

This is precisely the case with gender dysphoria - the person (because what is a person's true identity apart from what the brain dictates) is trapped inside the wrong gender. This is why they undergo the horrifically painful and (at least temporarily) debilitating gender reassignment surgeries. As difficult and painful as it is, it's the only way doctors can help a person assume the closest thing to their "true" identity. Hopefully in the future we'll be able to help people transition with far less pain and far more effectively.

"Cis-" people are those people, those of us in the majority, who have software and hardware that matches up. So a cis-man has a brain setup and body that are male, and cis-women have the brain setup and body of a female.

I know it can be tough to understand something that seems so outside of normal experience, but hopefully this explanation helps you understand that trans people aren't crazy, and hopefully you'll have compassion for the incredible amount of suffering they typically go through trying to force themselves to act like a gender that their brain truly isn't.

peregrina9789 82

A cisgender man: a man who identifies with the gender that "matches" his birth sex.

Deodorized 17

Always makes me cringe when people use cis as an insult

bigredgiant 37

cis·gen·der

adjective: cis-gender

denoting or relating to a person whose sense of personal identity and gender corresponds with their birth sex.

Another example of the prefix would be cisjovian, meaning on this side of Jupiter (jove), which is commonly used to refer to the inner solar system.

ConsumedNiceness

It's just a man.

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For some reason they feel the need to label shit even further. It's funny how for people that claim they want inclusivity they sure like to divide shit up in all kinds of labels.

pumpkinsnice

Do you feel threatened by adjectives this often?

ConsumedNiceness

nah I just really dislike people that try to force other people to live their lives in the same way they do.

KmKz_NiNjA

That's incredibly ironic.

ConsumedNiceness

Why? I'm not forcing anything (labels) on anyone.

AlicijaBelle

Okay, then let’s try that without labels:

“in my school, You can use whatever bathroom you prefer. If a man is uncomfortable with a man in the “men’s” bathroom, school administration has stated that the man is welcome to use the single stall bathroom available to anyone.”

See how you might need labels to help clarify that statement?

pumpkinsnice

Whos doing that? I don’t think using adjectives to describe differences in a situation that calls for it is a bad thing.

loctopode

It's not as if you're getting forced to have a sex change, you're just being asked not to force people into having to live their lives the same way you do.

georgespelvin-

It exists to have a neutral term to describe someone as "non-transgendered." Other terms people might use such as "biological" or "real" or even like, "chromosomal" woman or men can be rude or just plain inaccurate to use. Anyone who uses it as a pejorative is using it improperly.

Runesen

not "just" a man, a man who identifies as a man on the inside as well.

Do you think "heterosexual" is a derogatory term for a straight person? Because it's literally the same thing.

drainX

It's not a derogatory term in any way.

cyclone_madge

Apparently some people absolutely must be the victim, even it means taking offense at completely benign words...

TheNewGirlLikesCats

How so?

Sauce-Dangler

sounds like it....

lockethebro

how is it derogatory it's literally the opposite of the word "transgender"

Sauce-Dangler

I guess I learned something new today.... in my entire adult life as non transgendered man I've never heard this term..

lockethebro

Okay, congrats. Still not derogatory, it's an established term to distinguish trans individuals from cis individuals without stigmatizing anyone.

Sauce-Dangler

why would a person born male (or female) and does not think they are anything else but the sex he/she was born as would feel stigmatized if someone calls them what they are.... man or moman?

TabsTheTyrant

Because trans men are men and trans women are women. So when the rare difference needs to be made you have the terms trans and cis.

Being offended by the word cis is like being offended by the word straight.

Multi_Grain_Cheerios

It's not... It's just cis is just the opposite of trans... Some people might use it in a disparaging way but people also use trans in a disparaging way.

You are looking for a problem where there isn't one lol

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JillStinkEye

There are homosexuals and there are.....sexuals?
The term cis is just a way to discuss a complex topic. It's unfortunate that you feel threatened or attacked by a term that describes you.

ConsumedNiceness

Why do you want to label people against their will?

Sauce-Dangler

exactly.... because the root of that word "cis" means to remove.... what the hell are they removing?

rviveros

Yeah no, it means "on this side of" or "same-side", in the way that it's opposite trans means "across"

Adequatee

Stands for normal

9000yardsofbliss

Stands for normal

Trans is not "abnormal"

doubtfulmagician

It's a silly term invented to make the overwhelmingly typical state of being a male who is attracted to females seem less typical and no more normal than one of many sexual preferences. It's also indicative of the left's obsession with identity politics and compulsion to separate and label everyone by factions that can be pitted against one another and arranged in order of preferred grievance for the aim of gaining political power.

RadicalZoey 10

Your school seems to know what they are doing. Sadly not every place is this good with their bathroom problems. I'm happy to see places getting better though.

nagumi 7

nice!

Lordj09 2

I liked that episode of South Park

unclejessiesoveralls 1

Our University has this same policy and it works out great!

SayWhatWho 1

Out of interest could that cis man use the female toilets instead? Genuine question.

Entlightenned

Why not have the trans student use the family/solo bathroom? This seems to line-up with the statics, as not many people are have this mental disorder.

Butidigress817

In 2010, the Creating Change conference was held in Dallas. The hosts made all the bathrooms unisex. At one point I walked in and several of us converged at the sink mirror, kind of in awe: ftm, mtf, cis men and cis women of varying sexual ID and races, and it was kind of an emotional moment that we all took in, smiling at each other, the humans that we all were. Someone eventually said, "How about that. Progress. Can I borrow someone's hairspray?"

sadboysneverdie 1003 G

All these people saying," Oh maybe they thought she was doing drugs," is just a sneaky way of supporting the staff's actions off a half-baked assumption. Did they have any evidence to decide that she was using drugs? I didn't see or hear anything in the video to support that claim. All I heard was that she was in the bathroom for a while, so the automatically means she's using drugs? And their procedure for this is to open the stall door while the student is exposed in the stall in front of multiple people?! Also closing the stall door is not barricading, they're just escalating the situation and making it sound worse than it is. This person's rights were violated at the least and she was sexually assaulted at the most. This is disgusting and the fact that anyone is trying to defend the schools actions just shows how transphobic the world is. I hope the school gets hit with a huge lawsuit so they learn their lesson.

All these people saying," Oh maybe they thought she was doing drugs," is just a sneaky way of supporting the staff's actions. Did they have any evidence to decide that she was using drugs? All I heard was that she was in the bathroom for a while, so the automatically means she's using drugs? And their procedure for this is to open the stall door while the student is exposed in the stall in front of multiple people?! Also closing the stall door is not barricading, they're just escalating the situation and making it sound worse than it is. This person's rights were violated at the least and she was sexually assaulted at the most. This is disgusting and the fact that anyone is trying to defend the schools actions just shows how transphobic the world is. I hope the school gets hit with a huge lawsuit so they learn their lesson.

mommyof4not2 132

Right?! If she had been born with a vagina, this wouldn't even been an issue! Everyone would be up in arms about the absurdity of having multiple adult men and woman break her privacy that way for nothing other than being in the bathroom too long!

I'm glad you called everyone out about it. If it wouldn't happen to me, it shouldn't happen to her.

sadboysneverdie 107

Exactly. In the article it says she had been told to not use the women's restroom before, which goes against state law anyways. I think that points to a transphobic culture in the staff at the least, therefore I feel comfortable saying this was a transphobic driven event. I completely agree. If this was a cis woman there would be no one defending those staff.

mommyof4not2 43

I think the big issue with all that anyways is everyone freaking out about keeping the genders separated, especially at a younger age. It's all completely ridiculous because I believe it stems from the sexualization of our bodies, starting as mere children.

There's nothing wrong with the human body or coed bathrooms. Granted I believe there should be a separate, smaller facility available for those uncomfortable with sharing a bathroom with a certain gender (like a victim of a sex crime, someone who needs more space to change clothing, etc).

I believe the vast majority of people would agree that they just wouldn't care all that much and it would eliminate all of these issues completely!

kbouser 92

I think every staff member's homes should be raided for evidence of uncommon sexual deviancy.

sadboysneverdie

I think that's extreme. They should definitely have actions taken against them in the school system; maybe losing their jobs or at least some hardcore sensitivity training.

Furniture_Man_2

Sexual assault is an act in which a person intentionally sexually touches another person without that person's consent, or coerces or physically forces a person to engage in a sexual act against their will.[1] It is a form of sexual violence which includes rape (forced vaginal, anal or oral penetration or drug facilitated sexual assault), groping, child sexual abuse or the torture of the person in a sexual manner.

Sexual assault is a bit more extreme than "oh no they saw my privates.".

sadboysneverdie

Ah ok, thank you for letting me know! I suppose I meant sexual harassment or something of that order.

TunaSammy

The student is a child though so I think forcing ones way into a stall to gawk at a child’s privates could possibly fall under child sexual abuse. I’m not really sure of what child sexual abuse consists of but in this girls situation, I think i would feel really violated and scared.

kayleepop

Child sexual abuse is a form of child abuse in which an adult or older adolescent abuses a child for sexual stimulation. Forms of child sexual abuse include asking or pressuring a child to engage in sexual activities (regardless of the outcome), indecent exposure of the genitals to a child, displaying pornography to a child, actual sexual contact against a child, physical contact with the child's genitals, viewing of the child's genitalia without physical contact or using a child to produce child pornography.

The criteria are different for kids.

what_is-life

she should barge into the principals office one day, even if the door is closed. i mean the principal is an older adult. adults have heart conditions. what if the principal was in there having a heart attack! i mean its better to be safe than sorry jeez!

kayleepop -13

Drugs should be legalized anyway

sadboysneverdie 68

That's a totally different argument.

kayleepop -5

I'm saying that the law that they're supposedly enforcing is unethical, and it shouldn't be any kind of moral excuse.

sadboysneverdie 17

I completely agree. I just don't want to give a person any reason to discredit my original comments because they don't support drug legalization.

awaw415 6

Wish more ppl would think like you.

sadboysneverdie 3

Thank you. I've been having a hard time and I needed that.

awaw415 2

You're a clever cookie and I mean that.

kayleepop 2

fair enough

thrattatarsha 5

Moot point, since they already demonstrated that they don’t give a fuck about ethics

tegglemaster 8

And people should be allowed to do them in school bathrooms gosh darn it! /s

kayleepop 10

The children would be the victims in that scenario because they'd be underage and sold to illegally (just like alcohol). In what world is it OK to punish and harass someone for being victimized?

In general, these sort of "wellness checks" are nothing but harmful both psychologically and sometimes physically for the alleged beneficiaries. These kind of people have no training or any idea of how to handle the situation, but they are legally obligated to make a mess of things. It's disgusting.

This is even assuming that these people were acting against their own judgment and being forced to follow a policy.

Schools wouldn't have to have police on staff if they created a nice environment for the kids. Anyone who doesn't conform is treated like a fucking terrorist. It's obviously a systemic problem, but that doesn't make it forgivable.

ScionoicS

Define not conform. Causing disruptions is unfair to the rest of the school population. Public schools especially can't afford to deal with kids who want the world to revolve around them.

kayleepop

Calling them "disruptions" is a little disingenuous when you're literally forcing the kids to do something they don't want to with psychological manipulation and sometimes even physical force.

A disruption is when someone comes into a church and starts spouting anti-religious rhetoric, or when someone someone blares a loud siren in public. It's an active thing that they pursued and could've easily not done.

We're forcing them to learn in a specific way against their will, and then you have the audacity to say they're harming other students when they protest?

Learning is something that every child knows how to do literally from birth. You have to physically restrain them and prevent them from being stimulated to stop them from learning. Schools then essentially say "you have to learn, but if you try to learn in the way you're naturally inclined to we'll punish you for it"

I'm not saying I have a perfect solution or anything, but it's definitely not fair to blame the kids.

prodmerc 3

Do you want people to go out and do drugs for a good time? Come home after work and do drugs to relax? Get addicted to drugs and ruin their lives?

Drugs is terrible, unlike alcohol and tobacco, which are completely legal - everyone does them, so should you!

This ad was brought to you by a government agency - don't do drugs, drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes and shoot guns instead!

ScionoicS

Not for children who are still biologically developing.

kayleepop

We should do everything we can to prevent vulnerable underage people from consuming many dangerous recreational drugs, the same way we do this with alcohol and tobacco. Make it illegal to sell or distribute to minors for sure.

We shouldn't punish someone because we aren't happy with how they are treating their own body though. That's fucked up. Protecting someone from themselves is almost always a bad idea.

Instead, we need to give them support by making rehab, therapy, and other things extremely available to them (means not expensive or stigmatized). Putting someone in jail, or fining them, or harassing them in the bathroom won't make them any less likely to do drugs. In fact, it will probably just increase stress/anxiety and make them more likely to turn to drugs to cope.

So we should only go after the people selling drugs right? No. If drugs are legalized, then the government can regulate quality and price, which means everything is just much safer. Gang violence and the cartels in Mexico rely on illegal sales of drugs, and it leads to violence and death.

No one will buy from some shady dealer on the street if they can get high quality product that's manufactured by a trusted company and regulated by the FDA. Even if it's way more money it's still worth that safety.

Noltonn

I mean, are you arguing drugs should be legal for kids to use on school property? Because else fuck off that has nothing to do with it.

kayleepop

I'm arguing that doing drugs shouldn't ever be a punishable offense (for anyone, but especially kids). If a kid is doing drugs the system failed them, they didn't commit some heinous act.

They deserve to get help including therapy, rehab, or whatever else they need, not be punished. Punishment actually can make their drug problems much worse instead of stopping it BTW.

Noltonn

Yeah but then that's just not relevant. The guy above you never mentioned punishment in regards to drugs. Kicking in a door to stop a kid from doing drugs would not be crossing a line, in my opinion (depends a bit on the drug but let's for the sake of argument say it's not just weed). That's not a punishment, that's just stopping them.

So what you're saying just isn't relevant. And you know, while I agree drugs should be legal, maybe consuming them on school property should in fact be an punishable offense. But regardless, not relevant.

kayleepop

I've been in similar situations myself actually, and they are horribly traumatizing. The benefit of stopping them from using that one specific time is completely negligible.

You don't physically force someone to stop doing drugs. That's horribly naive. Drug abuse is a psychological disorder, and you need to solve the underlying problem. Taking away the drugs just makes them less able to cope.

If there were a party going on in the bathroom where everyone was having fun and doing drugs, then sure. Someone ashamedly doing drugs alone in the bathroom isn't doing them recreationally or healthily though.

Jupiter178 534

I swear, all the fearmongering about men using trans rights to sneak into the women's bathroom and the only men I've seen actually going into women's bathrooms are those trying to drag trans women out.

thatsmyhoodie 195

In particular, transwomen are in danger if they use the mens room in a lot of places.

dbadefense1990 170

Conservatives warn their voters that LGBTQ people are pedophiles who'd walk onto little girls bathrooms and rape their daughters.

That and transphobic men pretending to be trans women in order to act creepy and stir up more transphobia.

-GreenHeron- 18

Has that happened? I hadn’t heard of that...

bro_before_ho 21

Or, more likely, drag butch lesbians out.

lookmom289 2

Thank you.

designer_farts 519

Honestly if she had "Barricaded herself in the stall"

You dont take it upon yourself to get her out.

You call the authorities and let them handle it.

This is how you end up on the internet on video breaking into an occupied bathroom stall along with 2 or 3 other adults

ordbos 210

I would be really hesitant to call the police on a student who isn’t hurting anybody. This is how you get students arrested and put into the system. Our trans youth are hugely vulnerable and we need to do a better job of training adults how to support them without putting them in handcuffs.

Pollo_Jack 3

The school can drop the charges on the spot. Happens all the time between people.

Technicolor-Panda 29

Unless the police take her actions as assaulting a police officer or resisting arrest in which case the school likely has no say. And regardless the school does not bring the charges, the government does.

Doctor0000 2

US principals at least tend to have liason officers or close relationships with local officers on duty. Many of them actually have the well-being of the kids on their minds, since it's they who are obligated to deal with severe issues they have upon reaching the age of majority.

AndromedaRulerOfMen 17

This is a myth, the school has no say in whether charges are pressed or not. The law enforcement system gets to decide.

technicolored_dreams 6

Sure, but once the cops show up the city, county, or state can still opt to press charges even if the school doesn't want them to, which is also pretty common.

fakemoose 6

It still shows up on your record and can ruin you job options in the future.

magnoliamouth 39

They did call the authorities. There is a cop in the video.

Clan_McFluffins 56

That could have been the school cop. We had some at my high school because there were so many kids on probation and house arrest. But regardless of if the cop was called in or already on duty at the school, a pack full of teachers didn't need to come with them into the bathroom.

LadyEfrideet 8

It is. I attended a neighboring high school and I think all of the ones in our district had one.

Hellfirehello

Exactly, why the fuck are the administrators acting like cops. Just let him handle it and be less invasive. It must be nice to be so arrogant and morally superior with arbitrary bathroom rules that you get to play police like a big boy or girl.

drfeelokay

But regardless of if the cop was called in or already on duty at the school, a pack full of teachers didn't need to come with them into the bathroom.

It doesn't matter if you're a cop or an obgyn. If you're going to intervene with a child with their pants down on a toilet, you bring a witness with you. There's no two ways about that.

Doctor0000 2

Important lesson here, badge ≠ police

Runesen 34

No you dont, you figure out if anyone is in harms way, and if not you wait outside, calling the police or whatever in to deal with this is a total waste of ressources and only puts everybody in more danger

c_girl_108 35

They looked over the stall door before attempting to jimmy it open. They had determined the teenager was not in harm, so they should have waited outside until she was done using the bathroom.

salothsarus 22

You call the authorities and let them handle it.

realistically the cops will throw up their hands and do nothing at best or just double tap the kid in cold blood at worst

Noletmeexplain 5

I saw a badge in the photo

bunnyrut 2

Security has a badge. Doesn't make them the police.

ThereComing -12

They are the authorities. The school has the same parental powers as the parents themselves. School search and seizure of a student backpack is derived from the parents authority which is why it’s not viewed as a 4th amendment issue.

GlassInTheWild 64

You’re correct about search and seizure. You’re correct about them being (one of multiple possible) authorities. You are incorrect about them having the same parental powers as parents. My mom can kick open the bathroom door on me all day, and probably forcibly wipe my ass if she thinks I’m not doing it well enough. The school can not.

loctopode 23

Yeah, I would be very hesitant to suggest that teachers are anyway allowed to do this. If a child is potentially exposed in a stall, a teacher shouldn't have the right to go in and look. I mean, in the video it looks like there were 3 adults there, but it still doesn't feel right to say they're allowed to do that.

in_the_bubbleicious 14

It depends on how old you are. If you're 6, yeah. If you're 16, the law has a lot more to say about it. That is how parents go to jail.

I'm sure lawyers are sending letters now trying to gain their business for the MASSIVE lawsuit coming up. Video evidence, forcing the door open with her exposed to men without her consent, and on and on. I wouldn't be surprised if we see many firings or even criminal charges.

The video is the important part. She was smart to post it so they couldn't try to delete it and say she was crazy.

Oops, the video is telling lies.

the video is “significantly misrepresenting the incident”

You can't even trust video and audio not to lie to you.

tl;dr College suddenly got very affordable!

ThereComing 3

I mean, your mom can if you’re like a child. Schools don’t have all the powers and definitely can’t do that but they have a lot of legal powers that strangers otherwise don’t.

WalkiesVanWinkle 370

Okay so idk about elsewhere but normal procedure, if I suspect someone is self-harming in any way is to contact a supervisor and nurse (I assume schools have nurses, and at my job we have one on call as well). These people would then attempt to talk to the person, and if needed contact security. Obviously if it's an emergency you can try to help at once but even then you remove unnecessary peeping toms or ask them to help by calling emergency services. You don't act hysterical and barge in and allow others to poke their noses in.

Clan_McFluffins 210

If this was an attempt at deescalation, they did pretty much the exact opposite of what they should have done. It doesn't take a bathroom full of adults trying to break into a bathroom stall to get a teenager to come out. Regardless of how long she was on the toilet (one of the staff commented on it in the video), just have one person waiting outside rather than escalating it to sexual harassment of (possibly) a minor.

apple_buns 44

Not all schools have nurses, at least when I was in highschool in the US, there was no nurses office and a nurse was only available on Wednesdays.

crunchyzombie 22

Our nurse was split between the high school, middle school, and elementary school so we only had a nurse once a week.

Mortar_Maggot 44

I assume schools have nurses

Lol

WheelSnipeC8J 75

Every school I went to growing up had at least one, I don't see why it's laughable for someone to make that assumption.

withl675 33

the nurse at my school doesn’t even accept kids for the second half of the day ( 11:30 to 2:10 ) because it’s her “lunch break”.

i’ve always wondered what would happen if i got injured and wasn’t able to visit the nurse.

ValKilmersLooks 16

I assume you’d go to the front office and they’d make her handle it, call your parents, call an ambulance or be able to handle something really minor themselves. I never had a nurse at school and that’s pretty much what happened except for making the nurse do it.

I’m not sure nurses at schools is really a thing in Canada?

GVP 10

Also Canadian, I don't think so either. Maybe it's due to healthcare being covered; if there's an emergency we can just go to the doc or ER.

They used to be. I had one in primary school during the 80s but as of 1990 onwards never had one again.

ValKilmersLooks 1

I was born a little while after that, then. I kind of always thought school nurses were more of a fictional American media thing.

Alwayscheyenne 1

Yeah I think cuts during the 90s recession might have finished them off? We also used to get fluoride treatments and dental exams too!

asimovinator 1

I'm Canadian and I do remember my highschool had a room that was meant for a nurse, but don't recall ever seeing a nurse there. It had a bunch of first aid stuff and a couch or something similar to lay down on.

But it's been a long time since highschool so I don't think my detailed memory of it isn't very trustworthy.

PietNederwiet 20

Every school i went to didn't have one.

prodmerc 7

Not even basic medical aid trained teachers?

GVP 9

Not in Canada from my experience, and I went to 7 different schools grades k-12.

prodmerc 6

Huh, we always had a dedicated nurse in her office, and several first aid trained teachers...

spookystingray 6

Same. Though, in my school the receptionists/secretaries always seemed to have first aid training and they would administer healing proficiently

WheelSnipeC8J 1

Looks like you aren't from the US though, if that's the case, then your comment is as useful as telling people that none of the schools you went to cared about peanut butter in the cafeteria; probably because not a lot of cultures eat it or even like it.

Unless you actually live in The Netherlands, vs just posting in their sub. Apparently you/they are one of two countries that enjoy more PB per capita than the US, weird.

PietNederwiet

Hah. Don't make me laugh. Peanutbuter is at the heart of many kids breakfast or lunch. And we don't ruin it with jelly either.

byzantinedavid 5

They had a "nurse." It was almost never an actual RN/LPN

WheelSnipeC8J 1

Except for the one at my school apparently who even had a vanity plate about how she was an RN 😂

Mortar_Maggot 2

We had one in high school but not before. It depends on your state.

bluesmaker 1

Kinda a dumb thing for someone to be rude about.

TheDarklingThrush 1

I’m Canadian, I’ve never been to or worked at a school that had a nurse on staff.

alexandra-mordant 3

The people in the video are school supervisors, the police officer assigned to the school, and they do send a female staff member to the stall. From students who attend the school (I graduated from the district), the student had locked herself in the stall for over an hour after having earlier been told to leave the school. Supposedly she also just pulled her pants down before the recording started.

Pleasebeunique27 206

It’s a fucking bathroom where you go to take a shit. Why people treat it like a shrine makes no sense to me. Let any person go to any bathroom and empty their fucking bowels and bladder. Stop overreacting to these things that don’t matter and pay attention to real injustices in the world.

Alcohorse 71

Honestly I think people wouldn't be so weird about this if we had those awesome super-private European-style bathroom stalls

KiaraCake 126

@ folks justifying this by claiming that we don't know the context and the student might have been using drugs.

You are ignoring the context we DO know, that the student is a trans girl at an American high school, where trans students are treated like shit and routinely denied their rights to safe and private accommodations.

An appropriate response if drug use / or overdose was suspected would be for an administrator to check on the student verbally.

thatguybane 4

And we dont know that they didnt already check on the student verbally before this.

KiaraCake 17

Yeah? Idk what to say, she's clearly not overdosing.

sppsych 112

We dont know the full story here. I’m a school psychologist and behavior analyst. It’s entirely possible this girl was talking about harming herself or was engaging in dangerous behavior. Then decided to go to the restroom and sit down. The video starts at them opening the door. What prompted her to start recording? What was going on right before? Why were there already multiple adults involved? Clearly there was more to this story before the video begins.

And it’s also entirely possible that they were violating her rights. And if so, they should be removed from their positions.

Schools have an obligation to act in loco parentis meaning in the place of the parents. Either they were doing the right thing and protecting her or not. Whatever the case, I’m just saying... we don’t know full story and shouldn’t start on a witch hunt with such little information.

Runesen 77

Yeah that could be the case, but the fact that the school doesn't mention any of that in its defense points to it not being the case at all, they could've just said "we were worried for her safety" or some BS line like that, but they dont

CogGog 43

I'm not from America but where I'm from schools are not allowed to disclosure information about the students , so even if was the case she trying to self harm they could not say that. But I would imagine that she could report them to the police if they did not have a valid reason for it? I don't really know the American school system well so I might be wrong.

Runesen 12

I agree they probably couldn't say that, and they shouldn't but often (?) there will just be a vague statement about safety concerns or something like that, but here they didn't even do that, if they have a legitimate reason it only hurts them not to at least hint at it

CogGog 12

Again i dont how it normally works in the States but even commenting on it in very vague terms would break something roughly translated to silence duty, especially if it concerns a minor, even if the minor was at fault, they can't hint at it. And would be very illegal for them. In the end it's there to protect the children. Normally here a spokesperson from the local government would comment on it after some time or people would know if it went to trail.

xNe0n_Lights 40

I’d like to preface this with I’m a supporter of LGBTQ rights, human beings are human beings, period.

But this is a fair point. In my experience in an inpatient mental health unit, patients who are a risk to themselves or others and want staff to leave often take the tactic of making staff uncomfortable or fear for their jobs. Going into the bathroom and/or removing clothes is a very good way to accomplish this.

Regardless of what happened here because there’s no way to know for sure, there’s no doubt in my mind this situation could have been handled better. My sympathies to the girl for the stress and fear experienced here, I hope life can be easier for her.

fullofanswers 37

This needs to be the top comment. As a teacher who has worked with students who are emotionally disturbed, I've seen situations just like this... a student could run through the halls screaming threats and/or actually injuring staff members, self, or peers one minute and then the next minute calmly claim that the staff members are sexually harassing them. In these situations it is essential for the safety of the staff to have multiple people present, and it is also unfortunately a top priority to not allow the student to be behind a locked door. I praise the school for not giving out information about their side because while the student decided to make this a public issue, the school continues to uphold the student's privacy.

kbouser

I’m a school psychologist and behavior analyst

And an idiot.

Crclx

you’re the type to think someone is guilty when it’s nothing but allegations.

IlluminatiWaldo

For asking the simple questions of. Who what where when and why? Like the basics for trying to figure out what happened.

MEB_PHL 107

There’s something about police departments and school administration that attracts people who should never have power over other human beings.

Being victimized by either is a really distressing, helpless situation.

I went to a large urban public school and it was an extremely oppressive environment. They used the issue of “safety” to run the school like a prison and if you didn’t have the personality that could take that, things weren’t going to go well for you. Imagine trying to convince a kid to go to school for 4 more years after experiencing a place like that. Then even if they do, theyre not really prepared because theyre going from an environment where you can’t breathe without permission to sudden total freedom.

This girl is in school where she has no power, you don’t even have rights, laws, police to protect you. She’s in a stall with her pants around her ankles and a stick comes over the top to unlatch it. Suddenly she’s cornered, partially naked, exposed, trapped in a room with adult men and women who have almost total power over her. I’d be flipping the fuck out, and probably really shook up. Her response makes it seem like she’s not a stranger to this type of behavior from school staff, which is fucking crazy.

Hope she sues the fuck out of these people. Those adults should have their child clearances revoked as well. Unacceptable.

Tyrantmike 100

School says the video is “misrepresenting” the incident but decline to give any alternative explanations...

All I heard from what the school statement said was “yeah we violated the student, but we deny it.”

Gallade47 87

So who's harassing who in the bathroom?

Byebyemeow 64

I mean.... I’m betting there’s more to the story

goodoldnicenice 5

You are clearly a misogynistic anti Semite. Get with the narrative

Byebyemeow 0

Obviously! Grab my pitchfork

jennasorandom 53

My first thought is that this girl is on suicide watch.

dbadefense1990 18

The frightening thing is that based on where she lives, she'll find no help from anyone other than the parents. Teachers, principals, the police; they'll all make her life a living hell because Trump the Bible says she's a demon spawn for being LGBTQ.

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Thisismyfreetime 15

And you’re a tool

clippityclamps

What’s it like to live in fantasyland? Fuckin reddit, you state an obvious fact and you are downvoted into oblivion. I take pride in the downvotes, thank you.

Thisismyfreetime

I take pride in not being a transphobic douche.
Cool, we’re both proud

EDIT: I replied to the wrong thread.
And you’re still a douche.

Minnotauro 48

I love how everybody seems to judge 100% on the video. They won't look for the extra parts of the story, and just treat the video as everything they need to see. This is one part of the story. Let me guess if you saw The Beast killing Gaston and that's all you saw then you'd be at the tower to kill him too wouldn't you?

AnaBanona 35

I see your point, but I don't think anything justifies opening a bathroom stall on someone simply currently using it. Also saying that someone is "barricading" when they're just closing a door that was opened by someone who had no business opening it is just absurd. That is why people are jumping to conclusions and making assumptions that the people invading her privacy are over stepping.

plantlover26 1

There are many reasons. She could be on suicide watch for one. Also there is a cop there so they didn’t just barge in there without police consent. If this girl had harmed herself in there, it would be a whole different story on how the school knew and did nothing.

Runesen 23

oh you have other parts? please share them, because the school doesn't have anything to say about it and they have a pretty big stake in saying she broke some rule, was in danger etc. but they dont

MrMathieus 10

Honestly the comments are a bit shocking. I'm perfectly willing to believe this was a serious fuck-up on the school's part, but the truth of the matter is we simply don't know the full story. A lot of people here jumping to conclusions need to stop freely interpreting a small piece of information to fit whatever story they deem likely.

cojav 43

I can understand why people would be upset at the staff for doing what they did, but there is so little context I don't see how people can jump to all these conclusions that the school is evil and the student is purely a victim. Did no one find it strange how incredibly calm the student was to what was happening? The student didn't even try pulling up their pants, just calmly pointed the camera at the staff and then at their face. How is your first reaction not to cover up from a very vulnerable position from perceived aggressors? Also, what's the history with this school and student like? How long were they in the bathroom? 5 minutes? 1 hour? 2 hours? How did things escalate to this point? Why did they feel it necessary to call the police (assuming man with badge is a cop)?

​

I don't know who's in the wrong, but let's take a moment to get more information before bringing out the pitchforks after reading a very one-sided article.

994kk1 2

I share your skepticism. She is definitely not much of a victim in this situation. If she cared about her privacy she would pull her pants up or cover up rather than filming your pants and underwear.

Other than that you can speculate about how a bathroom visit leads to the police getting called and the door being forced open, my guess is that it wasn't your normal go in, do your business and leave. Judging by that all of them looked away within 10 seconds from opening the door the reason was definitely not some interest in seeing someone exposed on the toilet.

Mr_Italics_Man

---E u sure we dont need it yet?

perolikeee 43

Seems to be taken out of context IMO. Seems more like she was warned unrelated to the trans aspect and didn’t listen or was violating some sort of rule. Now whether that was them trying to kick her out of a bathroom stall on gender accounts remains unclear but I’m not sure that’s the case considering Minnesota’s school board stance.

The school officials look more like they were pissed/annoyed that they had to do it in the first place and the voice of the teen is the same voice every single teenager I know uses when they threaten an adult who’s just trying to tell them what they already know and the kid won’t listen.

I don’t know how to explain it but that was my feeling after watching the video. Perhaps the student had a history of some sort of behavior that warranted it and was given numerous warnings? Could totally see a teen being like “I’m gonna report you guys for being perverts” when it’s really them ensuring her safety/following school rules.

ProfessionalSomebody 24

Agree. This is another social media witch hunt where only one side gets shown and everyone jumps to conclusions. They can't fathom why this could ever possibly be a different scenario. If you work with youths and kids you know there are a lot of different scenarios where the youth can make an adult look bad, so these days we tend to let the youth be unsafe and leave the police to deal with it rather than put ourselves in the firing line. Which is sad but this is why. I bet the youth wasn't even in there innocently trying go to the toilet.

Runesen 15

Yeah, except the spokeperson "declined to give any alternate account of events. " if there was a rule, if there was danger, if.. anything, they would come out and say it to save their asses

freckledspeckled 31

Not necessarily. It is illegal to disclose private information about a student without their permission.

Runesen 4

it isn't private if a rule was violated? I dont think, especially not if you dont say which rule (but you will of course, be asked)

brightlocks 42

I have no idea what actually happened here.... but I am a high school teacher and I have done wellness checks on students in the bathroom.

Typically they come out of the stall after the second staff member comes in to check on them. They get plenty of warning that we will forcibly come in before anything like this transpires. If a teen is actually ill in there we try to get either the nurse or a coach or a male guidance counselor in there with them.

We would be held accountable if a child in our care suffered a medical emergency in that stall. We’re also accountable for any student that
self harms or overdoses in the bathroom. Teens know this, so there’s one of two possible responses. Either they get on the team or blow stuff out of proportion.

So, my question here is not whether this is “okay” to do in a school - I assure you it is definitely okay to do in a school - but whether this student was given enough of a warning that this was going to happen.

Xelophobe 14

Why the fuck would you put a male guidance councilor in with a female student

brightlocks 7

Boys bathroom if it’s a male student. I’ve sent Mr. guidance counselor into the boys bathroom.

Xelophobe -5

That's not the sentiment that you conveyed. You specifically mentioned sending a male guidance councilor in a post about a female student. There was no mention of a separate situation involving a male student. You can see how this may have come across as deliberate misgendering.

Mr_Italics_Man 12

She was talking about if it was the opposite sex. Sorry your powers of comprehension are lacking.

brightlocks 8

If we’re talking about an ill student they’ll usually be asked who they’d like in the stall. And I suppose we’d probably honor a different gender person on request?

As a point of fact, our (male) school resource officers have been extremely proactive about protecting our LGBTQ students, as they are more frequently victims of crimes. I’m our school’s advisor for the GSA, and the SRO’s have stopped by our meetings to offer support, and let the kids know they are available. One of them is an EMT.

I would not be surprised IF one of our trans students requested the SRO in the bathroom if they had a medical situation.

wheniaminspaced 6

This is entirely reasonable, I hope more people read this.

kbouser

No it is not reasonable in practice. I hope every adult in that video is investigated for sexually deviant behaviors, even raiding their homes for evidence. It is entirely reasonable to suspect these adults are perverts. Society cannot tolerate them.

novaspax 1

Just gonna put this under yours instead of getting in the shit conflict below, i assumed you mentioned male counselor for male bathrooms either because you thought she was in the male bathroom, or you were addressing the fact that as long as the school is so intent on treating her as a boy the proper procedure would be to get a male guidance counselor.

Edit: typo

brightlocks 2

No, if the student is requesting medical assistance in the restroom, the student can have whomever they request.

novaspax 2

Yeah for sure but op for this comment doesnt negate that as an option, theyre just talking about their experience with procedure at their school. I did phrase my comment as an assumption so maybe im wrong and just want to see good intentions, but i dont think that comment alone is egregious. Hopefully we hear more from op.

ClementineRiot218 41

The context isn’t clear. Under the notion that she was violated, you would have to assume then that any child in a bathroom, regardless of activity, should be left alone. We do not know if she was previously a danger to herself.

BillerBillions 41

Yahoo reports that the teen had been ordered not to use the women’s bathroom prior to the incident

I’m not justifying what the school did was right, but if she had specifically been told not to use it, why did she use it in the first place. The school definitely shouldn’t have reacted that way and should face consequences, but this is also partially the girls fault as well.

Runesen 17

civil disobedience, she isn't hurting nobody but runs a (greater) risk of being hurt herself in the mens room

BillerBillions

I doubt anything worse than this could’ve happened to her in the men’s restroom.

Runesen

You have a higher faith in some boys/young men than I have.. I could easily see a beating or bullying taking place if a trans woman used the mens room

Runesen 35

" a spokesperson for the school claimed the video is “significantly misrepresenting the incident” but declined to give any alternate account of events. " that last part is all we need to know, they cant even think up a story to justify this, they know they've messed up real bad.
No one in the video is in any danger, nor does it seem there was any danger before the video (they would have used more force to get in I would think) this is just straight up harrasment, if not from staff then from other students

freckledspeckled 3

It’s possible the student had a previous history where they suspected suicide or drug use was occurring, in which case the school would not be able to publicly disclose that information.

Runesen 11

No but they could say they were worried for her safety, I just found another (newer) article where they refuse to comment at all, which makes them appear even more guilty, and there are references to a video from the police station (!?) where she says she now cant use the womens restroom anymore, that points to it not being about her safety, her comfort, anything like that, but a refusal to let her use the bathroom she wants/identifies most strongly with

ch1burashka 35

Remember when trans men were going to attack your daughters in the bathroom? Sure seems like cis adults are the ones being creepy perverts. There's a shitload of projection going on.

Laurenann7094 34

As far as the "suicide watch" thing, this does not sound appropriate in school. If someone was supposed to be watched due to being insafe, they can't be in a place where scissors, metal, glass, or other students belongings could be accessed.
No matter the situation, there are better ways to handle it. The first step being don't escalate things.

kidneysc 29

“We wish we could provide additional details about this incident but are committed to protecting the student’s right to data privacy.”

Sounds like there is a big chunk of info that is missing. IMHO: there's too much missing to warrant internet justice.

*Note: I am a male, and usually lurk on this sub w/o posting but felt this point was excluded and worthwhile.

Runesen 4

they could just say "we were worried for her safety"

StellaAthena -5

Sounds more like “I can’t come up with an excuse so I’m stalling until I can come up with one later”

kidneysc 13

Sounds like suicide/self harm watch to me, personally. But like I said, not enough information to make a confident assertion.

advt 7

sounds like someone doing it for attention, like most people these days who ONLY show their narrative then the video cuts.This shit just didnt happen for no reason other than to "Bust her out and show to all".

alexandra-mordant 28

As someone who has younger siblings at the school and graduated from there less than five years ago ---

What we've heard is that the student was previously disciplined and told to leave school for the day after a prior disturbance, then the student ran into the bathroom. Seeing staff (and the school assigned officer, who is one of the individuals in the video iirc) coming, the student barricaded herself in the stall and pulled down her pants just before the recording started.

For personal lens, I can say I've seen the majority of the staff members in the video work respectfully with students and trans students in both that school and it's sister school in the district (most are seasoned). ISD 279 has been really supportive of their trans students from students I've been friends with. I will also note that they send a female staff member to open the stall to begin with, and the male staff turn around once they realize the student's genitals are exposed. I don't think this is because of transgender students or because of which bathroom she was using. Were other policies still violated? Maybe. Probably. But I'm not quick to demonize the staff.

MissAnthrope612 4

Thank you for this. I teach at the middle school, and I can’t imagine any of our staff willfully invading the privacy of any student. My heart hurts for this girl & the stress she has endured, but I also believe there is much more to this story.

AttackBastion 2

Lol that sounds like such a load of shit. Why send a female staff member to open the door and also have two male staff members staring at the door. Either they thought she was going to the bathroom/undressed and shouldn’t have opened the door and didn’t give a shit, or they didn’t think that was a possibility at all.

Also, the use of the word “barricaded” is laughable. It’s a bathroom stall. They are supposed to lock. That’s not barricading.

alexandra-mordant 9

If I was in that position, I would send a female staff because it's the baseline for not getting sued, tbh. Any contact should either be a law enforcement officer (all 3 HS in that district have male police liaisons) or a staff member of the same gender AFAIK, no matter what you think is going on in the stall, because it's a bathroom or locker room. However, I've known male staff to enter locker rooms if they announce that they are entering and give students proper time to dress. Either way, we need to know more about what happened before the video. That was just what I had heard about what happened before the video.

Again, it sounds like the student shifted the scenario right before filming started (and this is conjecture). And students were using "barricading", I don't think the official report nor the speech in the video says that (video just says "has been in the stall" iirc)

ETA: the male in the direct line of sight is the school LEO so not sure how that changes if he is allowed to be present or not

Luke90210 25

Wonder how many lawyers in Minnesota got excited seeing this

Unfortunately, the school district will settle for a lot of money before any lawyer can publicly ask the staff under oath WTF do you think you were doing

novaspax 23

Theres a lot of people saying we dont know the full story before the video and theres multiple other reasons they could be intervening (even if a lot of people agree their method sucks to say the least). This is a fair point we should take into consideration, however, while the school really didnt let on to anything in their public statement the article does say that the school had said they had asked her not to use that bathroom multiple times before, so...... Theres not a lot of ways you can spin that. Its a trans girl in the girls bathroom.

durgadas 22

Boy, all these people better be fired. SERIOUSLY.

routerg0d 21

They can charge all those adults as sexual offenders and force them to register as such. They won’t work in a school ever again. Time to set an example.

Catatonick 20

There’s no way to defend this.

Even if you don’t think trans should be allowed in bathrooms of the biological opposite sex, there is absolutely no excuse to expose anyone at all. Even if you don’t want them to use the specific bathroom you tell them before they enter or you keep other girls from entering until that student is out. Even then if you’re being ridiculous about it you’re not exposing someone on a damn toilet.

ScamallDorcha 19

How hard is it to have a policy of "don't harass others at the bathroom or you'll be disciplined" ? Its the simplest solution ever, it doesn't discriminate and it helps create a safe bathroom environment for all.

The parents of this staff was probably the vanguard fighting tooth and nail to keep segregation.

cephas33ad 18

Find this extremly hard to believe. Student was probably in trouble for something else unrelated and chose to hide in the bathroom. Minnesota is one of the most left leaning states in the US and the UK has one of the worst news cycles I have ever seen. You people really think administrators just barged in because they saw someone using a different restroom?! Do the freaking math...

sixhoursneeze 13

Even so, this is the most unprofessional way to handle this.
Source: am a teacher

Edit: and even if the state is left-leaning, this does not mean that the school admin would be on board.

cephas33ad 8

Could have been handled better but there is most definetly more to the story than we are led to believe by UK clickbait articles...

HammableOfCarthage 4

The only reason Minnesota is that liberal is metro Minneapolis-St. Paul and as soon as one gets into suburbia, it is purplish. Osseo is in the same county as Minneapolis, but the demographics are whiter and thus more likely to have more Republicans by demographics

loctopode 18

This is awful. Why did they not contact the police or something if they legitimately thought she was barricading herself in? You don't just open the door when their's someone using it, especially not a child.

Edit: Apparently there was police there, I didn't see their badge when I first watched the video.

This is awful. Why did they not contact the police or something if they legitimately thought she was barricading herself in? You don't just open the door when there someone using it, especially not a child.

nincesticide 51

They did. The dude is wearing his badge in the video. Suicide watch is no joke, I've been apart one them. 24/7 eyes on, no privacy even in the bathroom. you lose that privilege when you show suicidal signs and tendencies.

ordbos 30

That is most likely the school resource officer- a police officer stationed at the school. They can be called for anything as simple as a student talking during class. Do not assume that the inclusion of police means that there was a risk of suicidality. This could just as easily be the case of administration involving police unnecessarily- further putting this student at risk.

sadboysneverdie 19

I have been as well, it sucks. Did you see something about that in the article or video? I agree there should be more context.

I have been as well, it sucks. Did you see something about that in the article or video. I agree there should be more context.

loctopode 5

My mistake, I didn't see their badge when I first watched the video.

DontbutterRawbread 17

Why do people care so much about transgender people using the bathroom of their choice? Regardless of your sex, peeping on someone in the bathroom is completely unnacceptable. That seems to be the major concern people express, but it's just nonsense. Also, behind the doors, the bathroom is still a place of privacy, you still have to enter a stall or use dividers (usually).

novaspax 16

Honestly the arguments transphobic people make against trans people using their preferred bathroom are so fucking stupid. Everyone is so worried about men getting in to the womens bathroom as though women are fucking exposed and naked in there when in reality in the womens bathroom every stall is fully enclosed and locks. Not that I would agree with this argument either, but noone is worrying about women pretending to be men to get into the mens bathroom where you have like a 3 inch barrier between urinals where your dick is fully exposed. I cant tell if its predjudice against men or trans women (well actually probably both with an emphasis on the ladder), its just a clusterfuck.

Exciples 14

Just as the article states, there is no prior context to give an accurate conclusion of the events that transpired. This student easily could have started a video after an interaction occurred that required immediate attention from school staff. The student then under the guise of a rights violation protect themselves and claim victimhood. On the other hand, the video could accurately portray the context of video, but without affirmation of prior context there can be no certainty.

I hope there is more to this story than just blatantly exposing a student using the bathroom. No one should be treated in this manner. Sad day.

XombiMetManyCreeps 14

Just let people pee in peace, god damn it

theonecalledjinx 13

Sorry, but you know this is just getting out of hand.

Went to a local craft store and had to take a duke. The male restrooms were closed for cleaning. It was about to be a sticky situation so I walked into the women’s room, very quickly, took a 30 second Viking dump,flushed, and walked out.

Even it was intentional, people gotta go to the restroom. Next time the person should just drop it in the hallway post it to r/maliciouscompliance and walk away.

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FancyBear79 13

Maybe the staff wanted to promote an inclusive environment by opening the stall doors which seperate us.

Hipppydude 12

Reminds me of a guy at work. He said "I'd beat the hell out of a trans dude if he came in the bathroom with my daughter trying to swing his dick around." This full grown adult literally was thinking that there were urinals in the women's bathroom.

Exile714 12

Nobody honestly cares about the whole “abuse” aspect of trans people using whichever bathroom. Think about it: if you make people use the bathroom of their born gender regardless of their appearance, you’re going to have some very masculine looking guys in the women’s room and if you call them on it they can just say “I was born a woman.” And then you’ll have to guess whether they’re A) a disgusting pervert or B) just a normal trans dude who needed to use the toilet.

Once you see past the pretense of the “abuse” argument, it become clear that a few people just don’t want trans people to exist.

Dom0204s 12

I guess it’s best to wait and see what happened to trigger them to do this before we pass judgment. Was the person in question threatening someone, or doing something illegal? Then ran into the bathroom to hide, knowing they could pose the victim? We don’t know yet, everything is assuming at this point.

poodlepause

Or it’s like what always happens. The staff violated her rights because she is trans.

NotPoliticalyCorrect 12

Four staff members/security just showed up at the toilets for no reason ? Seems quite out of context . This trans girl seems quite confrontational and must have been in there a good while, they had time to go get a stick to unlatch the door .

whispersofaquarius 12

Currently attending a high school with a drug problem! All of the people saying that the staff was right to break into the stall because tHeY tHoUgHt ShE hAd DrUgS have clearly never been to a public high school.
It is NOT legal to break into the bathrrom stall. Even if pot smoke was literally billowing out of the top, the security would wait outside and demand that the user come out.
This is clear discrimination.

adamthegre 12

As a trans man, this is my worst nightmare

Oxygenius_ 12

So since its a transgendered person there is no outrage over School staff breaking into a high school teen girls bathroom stall?

KSIChancho 9

Listen I have my own thoughts on the whole transgender thing but no one (unless endangering themselves, someone else) should have their privacy violated like this, it’s disgusting

Starlord_who 9

For people who might not understand trans people or feel its new so you feel a bit initimidated by it, I'd urge you to rethink things. Not cause of morality or whatever but this. This is a prime example of what happens when you let people be assholes, you let these bigoted people have control, you give them merit "Oh I guess I could see why some would be scared of a trans person in the restroom", when you give them just a bit of merit they pull off shit like this because this is their goal, humilitating others and controlling them.

For people who might not understand trans people or feel its new so you feel a bit initimidated by it, I'd urge you to rethink things. Not cause of morality or whatever but this. This is a prime example of what happens when you let people be assholes, you let these bigoted people have control, you give them merit "Oh I guess I could see why some would be scared of a trans person in the restroom", when you give them just a bit of merit they pull off shit like this.

ExtremelyBeige 9

I always wondered how transphobic people thought that their daughters were going to see penises if they used the restroom with a trans person. I guess this answers it. They apparently think we all go around opening stalls on each other in the ladies room.

Dvorovy 8

The comments on Reddit for this video versus the comments on WorldStarHipHop are very different, lol.

Gabriel_Nightshade 7

Such hateful fucks shouldn't be responsible for children.

black_brotha 7

yikes

Fantasy_masterMC 6

just... what the fuck? Even if it's questionable which bathroom they should be using, breaking into the stall is absolutely fucked up. If you believe they've been using the wrong bathroom intentionally, you wait for them outside the door of the bathroom, or at the VERY LEAST outside the stall.

The only situation in which you should ever consider breaking into a toilet stall that a student (or just a minor in general) is using is if they're in danger in terms of health etc.
For adults it adds the possibility of highly dangerous criminals as well, but that's about it. I can't imagine what sort of weird thought process would lead to this. A complete disregard of their dignity as a human being, perhaps?

hailey_nicolee 6

clearly this school has an issue with transphobia, not only with the obvious actions they took in the video, but i think i heard them calling the girl Cirilo, which im guessing was her male name??

if that’s the case it’s pretty cut and clear that this isnt the first time that this girl was mistreated and it’s pretty sad that school workers can be allowed to do stuff like this to CHILDREN

Nexrender 6

If that was my kid I’d be going to fucking prison.

Fuck these guys. I hope they lose their liscence fast and get registered as sex offenders.

Fucking assholes.

DarkestJediOfAllTime 6

This is awful.

I could understand if a person was a drug abuser who locked the stall to flush drugs down the toilet when the school officials were attempting to gather evidence, but this does not appear to be anything of the sort. If the girl were committing a crime, there would be no need for the school to withhold any information about this because an arrest would be made and the details would be public record. (Except the identity of the suspect if the suspect is a minor.)

These school officials should be fired. As others have stated, I am so thankful that cameras are everywhere so that the world can see how people in positions of authority mistreat others.

thelawgiver321 5

Wait till they go to clubs and places with Co Ed bathrooms. You ever seen someone's head pop open? Lol

RacinRandy83x 5

What the actual fuck?

OfficialDatGuyisCool 5

i hate titles like these

undahyobed 5

if I’m being completely honest, im not against transgenders but I don’t really support them. they don’t bother me but I don’t really think I would be able to be friends with one. hate me. but i do believe that this person should be at least able to finish going to the bathroom this is harassment in whichever way you look at it.

Lymebomb 5

Does anyone have the video link? This is enraging, I would just like to see it for myself.

Mokitty 5

Click the link and scroll down, the video is in the article

1Delta 2

It's in the article in the op.

Demon-Jolt 5

I'm really not sure the school responded appropriately here. Jesus

LyrEcho 5

going to be honest. I'm absolutely shocked this is such a positive thread. I've never really felt welcomed here as a transwoman.

AntimonyPidgey 14

TwoX has been trans friendly for as long as I can remember. Transphobic comments and terf propaganda are pretty quickly removed by the mods, though trans specific issues aren't usually posted here unless they're particularly egregious like this one.

LyrEcho 7

That's good. But on old accounts I got told a few time to get out because I wasn't a real woman, and the sub is two x. When I reported that I was met with "its two x" and then muted.

I'm over it and don't wish to attack the mods in question, not that I recall who it was. But I'm just... Surprised this is different now.

This is beyond vile. I've seen transphobia, I've seen aggressive transphobia and the more passive kind and this is beyond any measure I've seen.

Whoever was responsible for this does not deserve their position as a teacher or member of the faculty. They do not deserve the responsibility they have. They have no ability to safe-guard their pupils, and are actively harming them. If this isn't considered an act of sexual harassment a portion of my remaining faith will be lost.

Keep calling these people out, do not let this act of villainy die down else we let other children be exposed to this level of treatment.

This is terrible but she's gunna own the school and everything in it by the time this is done.

Techiastronamo 3

Jesus fuck, some people >_>

heiferforawife 3

please tell me all of these pieces of shit lost their jobs?

insatiableevil 3

The folks who did this to her should never be allowed to work in a school again. This boils my blood. I don’t know how my kid is going to turn out but if someone ever did remotely like this to my kid I will loose my shit.

I-LIKE-NAPS 3

There is no justification for what they did. That poor kid.

icaughtalark 3

People give too many shits about too many things.

CommissarTopol 3

Human rights violation.

Jail and sexual predator register for all!

repeat_wat_i_say 3

Wait to make sure isnt this illegal to look over stalls especially try to open it

KayleKarriesU 3

Lawsuit inc?

mces97 3

I hope criminal charges are filled here. How can opening the stall, where whoever is going to the bathroom for a non emergency reason not be a crime?

Salvation73 2

They want all police officers to wear body cameras. Normal, everyday people need to wear them to protect themselves from the rest of the fucked up flock. Are these the animals we want co-raising our children... I fucking hope not. Judge people not by how they treat their family but how they treat strangers... the blanks get filled in from there.

Tarek360 2

So whether you feel like this person should use the male or females bathroom is irrelevant. I have my own views. The fact is whatever bathroom they choose anything private will be conducted in a bathroom stall with a door so there really shouldnt be an issue even if he was a full blown male and not transgender.

With that said , What the staff did here is inexcusable. Repercussions need to be had

EchotheGiant 2

Thought, it's goanna be the States for sure. Then I saw the Web address ".co.uk and thought wow really". Then I read the article and whaddya know, Murica.

thefairlyeviltwin 2

As a transgender woman still waiting to get surgery this is what my nightmares are. Your scared to be there in the first place. Your scared to use the bathroom from the stares, from the dirty looks or the possibility of some child parents thinking your a man with some sick motive. I have children and I hope for thier mental health neither of them is trans and has to deal with any of the things I have. I'm scared to use the womens bathroom, but I'm terrifed to use the mens even more. I understand this video doesn't include the context of what happend leading up to this but this if why we have language, you send a woman in to speak to the student without any need to look in or open the door on her. It makes me sick that bacause I was born with a brain that didn't match my body I don't even get to be treated as human by many people.

SeisentaNueve 2

not sure why youre being downvoted. im sure being trans is terrifying in regards to bathroom choice and a plethora of other harships. my favorite thing, in terms of irony ofc not joy, are those mirror selfies of fully transitioned trans men being forced to use female restrooms. mind you this man has a beard and most likely a penis. there isnt anything arguably female about him besides his genetics and past. but because he was born with a certain identity in a certain body, and him and all of the other females in that restroom have to be uncomfortable. its at the point where cucks like ben shapiro go out of there way to call a female by their previous male pronoun. it would be easier for him and the person hes going out if his way to misgender to just use the pronoun they prefer. im not kidding he actually goes out of his way, he doesnt just naturally misgender someone out of ignorance and refuse to try to correct himself he will call them there preffered pronoun naturally and then correct himself just to belittle any trans person he talks about. its outrageous how far people will go out of their way to be offensive and demeaning.

Cheezerits 2

I love the irony when people refuses to let transgender go to their designated bathroom because of "children" when really it's people who aren't trans doing this dumb shit...

kbouser 2

What is wrong with these people? Everyone of those staff should be fired and then prosecuted.

twatsmcgeezer 2

There is just something about teaching that draws in dicklheads with an authoritarian streak.

CongratsBroGoodJob 2

Fucking name and shame.

Hvv46h77hh6h 2

Damn.

New_L 2

Every one of these adults has been trained on the escalation cycle. You can tell there are two sides to this but the bottom line is those are supposed to be professional examples of how to act in a stressful situation. Not only here but time and time again teachers, law enforcement, parents and other people in a position of power abuse it and perpetuate the idea of it all being ok.

Don't fire anyone but train those people so tediously they either wish they never applied for their job or they finally understand they aren't their for a power trip.

Abuse of control or power should be a crime in itself. So many times it's the root of the problem.

sixhoursneeze 2

As a teacher, I am horrified. How can anyone justify this?

Mechanical_Nerd 2

The only reason I could see them justifying their actions is if the student has a history of heavy drug use and they suspected that the student was using on school premises. Still a pretty grey area, and doesn't completely justify how they handled the situation. Pretty hard to condemn anyone without knowing the exact context, but hey that's the internet for you.

sfrenterfs 2

I’m currently in Australia. There are a number of bathrooms that are simply mini personal bathrooms. Like stalls but thicker walls, and floor the ceiling coverage. They’re mixed use and totally the bomb. There is a separate room with urinals.

I think of all the men’s bathrooms with unused stalls that could be reclaimed for everyone’s use. It makes so much sense. Then none of this would be an issue ever again. Granted she shouldn’t have to deal with this in “normal gendered” bathrooms either.

lubekka 1

TwoXchromosomes is the name of the sub, if you don’t see any discrepancy then i don’t either

jmct1208

I'm sorry, but this is true.
Although I have XY chromosomes like her.

Hufflepuffupagus 1

Why is it the only predators we actually have to be worried about in bathrooms are cis men?

Nesbiteme 1

This just show how far we have to go in this country on these types of situations.

ashtonxzzx 1

Why on Eart is the posted to /r/twoxchromosomes ? Seems like the wrong place as this person does not have two x chromosomes...

Bring on the downvotes for facts.

locomotivelimbs 1

I feel like it's obvious, but wow. Wtf. I hope she sues and the jury gets to see this video.

Itje4u 1

This makes me sick, leave them alone!

peanutthemouse 1

WTF????

Bogdania 1

No comment on the matter in hand, but very interesting to find a debate of this nature on Reddit!

brmlb 0

this is harassment and I feel so sorry for that sweet young lady to endure this terrible abuse at the hands of a racist and misogynistic school system that teaches nothing and can’t protect our most valued treasure: our children 😡😡😡

Fiction1183 0

Transphobic people are literally the worst people

Starlord_who -1

I dont even care if you are transphobic or dont understand transgender people, all of these motherfuckers deserve to be fired you dont fucking open the stall on someone unless they are in danger not even to mention film it, kids or not. Put them in jail.

QueenMurmur -2

It was very wrong and possibly illegal to open the stall while a student was using the bathroom. That being said, it seems like the student was told they could use a separate bathroom for privacy and chose to use the girls bathroom anyways. You have to understand that it would make a lot of people feel uncomfortable and possibly unsafe to use the bathroom with a transgender and it would cause issues for the school. (The fact that the staff went into the bathroom shows that there was a complaint about it)

A better solution would be to have waited until after the student was done and confronted them then.

If you're having trouble imagining why girls might feel uncomfortable about it, you should understand that 13-19 year olds are using the same high school bathrooms regularly. This doesn't account for times when non-students are using the bathroom outside of school hours. So a 18-19 year old biology male using the bathroom with a 13 year old girl is a situation that could happen.

That situation aside, it would make me uncomfortable regardless of the age difference.

novanima

The problem is that your comfort doesn't trump another person's civil rights. That's a fundamental value of our pluralist society, enshrined in age old non-discrimination law. You're free to harbor as much prejudice as you like, but you can't use that to deprive another person of their fair and equal treatment.

Or, you know, you could educate yourself so that you no longer feel uncomfortable around people who are different from you. Your perception of trans people is far removed from reality.

xcallmesunshine

Wow, what if I feel that female spaces are a fundemental right? Youre aware that you're asking women to give up their rights for trans people ? I wonder why nobody asks men to do that huh, you dont see anyone telling men to give up their spaces (especially gay male spaces which are openly NOT open to trans people and they get a pass but god forbid lesbians do that same). Feels coercive af

benjiabc

The irony of this being posted in two X chromosomes hahaha!!

SamNeedsAName -8

If she is documented by a doctor that they are gender fluid, then what is the issue?

gameplayuh

You don't need a doctor's confirmation to identify with a gender

PhasmaFelis

The issue is that some people are assholes, sadly.

BurntPaper

"Gender fluid" isn't a diagnosis. It's just a symptom of a larger mental disorder.

NapTimeAnnie -8

I mean I wouldn’t allow a man in the women’s restroom at my school either. He even looks a majority masculine and sounds like a straight up man. Not to mention he is, biologically, a man. Use your own restroom and see a psychologist.

Xelophobe 5

This is a trans inclusive sub. You, and your rhetoric are not welcome.

SirApatosaurus

Contrary to what you conservatives like to believe and scream, the majority of the time children and teens are not given cross sex hormones until they are 18, and have been living outwardly presenting as a woman for an extended period of time.
You can't ridicule them because they don't look feminine enough for you when medical standards exist.

Not enough info to summon the mob, especially on people who may not have even been at work. Trans teens have an incredibly high risk of suicide - if she mentioned anything like that, they're pretty much required to intervene.

Wait for another news cycle before you start with doxxing. We don't know what happened yet.

EmilyU1F984 -11

How is this not sexual assault in combination with being a hate crime?

Everyone but one of the officers being in the room are there to peak at a naked person. They have absolutely no reason to be there.

1Delta 37

In the video, there was no contact yet alone sexual contact so that's how it's not sexual assault. And Minnesota only allows hate crime enhancements for certain crimes. The only one that may qualify in this instance is harrasment but this seems more like invasion of privacy than harrasment to me.

EmilyU1F984 10

Oh right yes. Harassment.

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resultsmayvary0 4

As much as you'd like I guess. Doesn't effect anyone but the person themselves so, yeah, unlimited.

Kathara14

But if you want to use common bathrooms and showers, it affects others too.

resultsmayvary0

I'm 35. I've been using mens restrooms that entire time. I have never, not once, been affected by someone in a public restroom in a way that would have changed if they were, biologically, a female.

Hild2018 -12

I believe there is more to this story, because a normal, person would be forawrding that video to tbe police or a lawyer. Not facebook.

And she seemed very calm, like she was expecting it. Seems like attention grabbing to me.

underboobfunk 85

It’s highly likely that she’s been told not to use the girl’s restroom but she’s doing it anyway. So fucking what? That doesn’t give them the right to violate her privacy.

ReginaldJohnston 32

because a normal, person would be forawrding that video to tbe police or a lawyer.

Source? You sure the police are not involved?

And she seemed very calm, like she was expecting it. Seems like attention grabbing to me.

Link? What would you do in that situation? I've known people to freeze on the spot because they're so terrified.

Meagaman123 13

I used to care about this stuff like girls might be sexually harassed or scared to see. When I was younger. But these days I’ve come to realise that this subject doesn’t affect me if a trans person is in the same public bathroom as me. I’m probably not gonna notice or even care. Imma just do my thing and leave.

QuicksilverSasha -7

Side note here. Girls are terrified and harassed when trans women use the bathroom. Specifically, trans girls. We have a higher rate of utis because most of us find it easier and safer to just avoid bathrooms in public than to risk using one.

julesbug

Can you provide a source for this? Cis women are more prone to UTI’s because of our anatomy, so I’d be interested in seeing a study that shows a connection between frequency of UTIs and trans women using whatever bathrooms make them comfortable. Anecdotally, I’ve been more afraid of the men who take it upon themselves to guard the women’s room than any trans woman in the bathroom.

x31b

She was assigned a public bathroom. She chose not to use it.

feigneddisinterest 31

Between this and the NDT post, looks like it's Blame the Victim Day on TwoX.

Throw_Away_3_1415926 -38

Yeah this screamed that there was more to the story..

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pumpkinsnice 17

Theres no man in this story, not sure what you’re trying to say

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pumpkinsnice

No, its a transgender high school girl. I was hoping your comment would have had some actual context behind it other that blatant transphobia, but I was wrong.

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pumpkinsnice

I mean, if there are two genders, then shes a girl? Thats literally what she is? I’m not arguing she’s some third gender. She’s a woman and your anger is really... weird. Like, why do you feel so angry about the fact she’s a girl?

hopeless1der 4

No you call the police you lunatic.

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Willowx 16

Regardless of who was using the stall people shouldn't be breaking into a stall barring someone having collapsed in there or similar.

bet100

I agree... this is just awful

opn6

Was it number 1 or a number 2?

qwerty_rocks

The idea of having a "TRANS" bathroom is akin to having drinking fountains for "Colored" people. Either the the student decide what bathroom to use or make them all unisex.

DConstructed -40

Well it depends. If they were harassing her because she's trans that's really wrong.

If they thought she was one of the many students who uses the bathroom to get high they were within their rights.

agodlesspriest 38

If they thought she was one of the many students who uses the bathroom to get high they were within their rights.

Nope. They were not. Call the police if you thinks this is the case. There's no excuse for what they did.

droozly 11

Is calling the police really better? I'm not saying they were right for handling it the way they did but is it really less damaging to the student to get police involved? Police are dangerous. They shouldn't be called for a situation that can be resolved on a lower level.

SirvicksProspector 6

Call the police if you thinks this is the case.

Call a hearse, too. Overdose deaths are pretty quiet and happen fast. Better call everyone just to be safe.

DeleteBowserHistory 1

Call the police on a black trans high school student? Do you want her to be murdered?

Mr_Italics_Man

Theres an officer in the room...

DConstructed -4

They're not going to call the police and wait for the police to get there.

When you say "nope" you'd need to check the laws in your state and the schools policy.
A student using drugs on school grounds may not be accorded the protections that you
think they are.

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DConstructed -1

Where did I assume she was? I think they might have.

When I was in school it was well known that some people would do that.

You're making a lot of assumptions about me that are incorrect.

Dejavu3 -2

No they were not, at all. If they thought that was happening they had to call the police. It is absolutely NONE of the business, and it is borderline sexual harassment or assault. People who act on their own like this are almost always motivated by hate.

CoinSurfer1 -42

Just the fact that the article calls a boy a “trans girl” already shows the insane bias. Any boy who knowingly uses a girls bathroom should be dragged out on the floor and hogtied. This is still America and we have rules.

sphinctertickler

How are they not arrested? They had to work REALLY hard to see a kid's genitals. I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure people usually go straight to fucking jail for that.

dogecobbler

People are actually watching this and think the school did anything wrong? Teenagers love to just buck the system because they want attention and think it's cool. She was told not to use that bathroom, did it anyway, and then was in there for way too long playing on her cellphone, and refused to cooperate. No one's rights were violated, and no one was being perverted. But, please, get outraged by this, and my post, by all means. Surely there's nothing going on in the world, or in your lives, that's more important than ganging up on some public school you've never heard of.

Quacks_dashing

Declining to comment because they respect the students right to privacy....Such heroism.

PastelNihilism

They obviously came in to drop a deuce. I have been in situations where I had to hit the nearest bathroom no matter what gender. When nature calls you must answer. Why harass anyone obviously in there too actually use the fucking bathroom?
I wouldn't blink of a dude walked into the girls room if he went straight to use the toilet or wash his hands.

I do not fear every man. This isn't just transphobic it's in a way misandry by assuming men/former males ( biological, mtf or not) are on the prowl at all times and will always take advantage. They're all scary predators raaaaaa. That's bullshit.

F4therF1nger

The school was probably concerned about a boy being in the woman's bathroom. They shouldn't have opened up the stall door until he was finished.

jaeofthejungle

That's horrendous!!!! In my country it would be considered a sexual offence to open a toilet door on anyone unless it was an emergency, let alone a child. How dare they! This transgender bathroom policy that some states in America have is insane.

RedJane42

A trans girl is a man that wants to be a girl or a girl that wants to be a man? I wish they would just say a boy dressed like a girl, would be easier to understand.

Vexxedvillian

It's because most school admins are drunk will the power, they treat the schools they work in as their own dictatorship where they think they can do anything they want because kids don't have rights in their eyes

R706

Those bathroom stall invading perverts saw nuthin, she's sitting down so she probably had her penis tucked between her legs.

Don't worry trans people, y'all have your own toilet, it's called the disabled and it's in most places and for any gender with a condition or even just for privacy, regardless I don't see why gender dysphoria shouldn't count if you're pre op and pre hormonal treatment and you simply don't pass as your chosen gender anyway, it's not just about your own comfort, it's about others too.

The bathroom situation is easy to resolve as mixed gender bathrooms shouldn't be a big deal anyways if done right, just mixed gender changing rooms and showers gets more tricky.

A way to do that would be turning changing rooms into rows of privacy booths for everyone and making each shower it's own private booth also but it's a lot of cost compared to the norm right now for a tiny minority of people.

Peanutgalleriescanbe

This is messed up, but why is it in twoxchromosomes?

nigerianbarrister

I didn’t watch the video and have no opinion on what the faculty did...that being said, my gut feeling is, as a minor and while in school you should use the restroom that corresponds with the biological parts you have.
Would parents be ok with a biologically male teacher who identifies as female monitoring the girls locker room...or vice versa? Likely not.
Are you ok with your minor son/daughter using the restroom with someone of the biological opposite sex but claiming they identify male/female?
As an adult, if a person identifies as the opposite gender, use whichever restroom suits you.
Due to human nature, this issue is going to get dicey in the near future as “identity” claims are abused.
Lastly, I feel sorry for this kid and I hope they have no permanent psychological damage from this event and I hope they live a long, happy, healthy life.

resultsmayvary0

Would parents be ok with a biologically male teacher who identifies as female monitoring the girls locker room

Can't speak to this, but if any parent saw issue with this, then they should easily be outraged at the video. As multiple adults of varying gender force their way in to view an exposed minor.

PhasmaFelis

Would parents be ok with a biologically male teacher who identifies as female monitoring the girls locker room...or vice versa?

I honestly wouldn't want any unrelated adults peeping on a room full of naked kids without a good reason, regardless of gender.

Are you ok with your minor son/daughter using the restroom with someone of the biological opposite sex but claiming they identify male/female?

Sure, why not?

I think what you're actually worried about here is that straight boys will make up excuses to peep on girls in the toilet stall. But that wouldn't be a problem if we just made toilet stalls with actual fucking doors. A school is not a prison, or a downtown bus station. You do not need to keep eyes on people while they are on the shitter. If you think they're doing drugs in there, there are better ways to find out. If bathroom stalls were designed by non-insane people, all bathrooms could be unisex and it wouldn't make a bit of difference.

This would also solve the problem of gay boys and lesbians perving on bathroom-goers of their own gender, which somehow nobody seems to care about even though there's a lot more gay people than trans.

salothsarus

You're biologically a piece of shit, would it be right to shove you into a septic tank?

Gigaman13

This sort of attitude, from any of the sides, is what degrades the conversation to a point where nothing good gets resolved. Vilifying we'll constructed points and questions May put your opposition in a bad light, but it will definitely degrade your own stance.

gingerquery

I'm guessing you didn't read the article either because the State of Minnesota Board of Education has made a decision regarding bathroom use by transgender schoolchildren. Namely that they will use the one that matches their gender identity, not their biological sex. Your gut feeling does not align with reality.

istasber

I can't really comment on what the best bathroom policy is for trans kids, I can see arguments (from safety/mental health/etc perspectives) both ways.

But for your other point, about what a teacher identifies as/what biological bits they have... that really doesn't matter. As long as they don't identify as someone who's sexually aroused by children, I don't see why there's an issue. I wouldn't want a teacher lusting after my son/daughter regardless of what gender/sex they are.

Gigaman13

The lengths that a sociopathic predator would be willing to go through in order to accomplish their goals makes me timid to allow such things. I'll, personally, always side with the rights and protections of the individual who is possibly the victim. In this case, the minor is easier to take advantage of and endanger than the trans adult.

I'm all for any peoples gaining rights they may not have so long as it doesn't limit another's rights or protections. And miners need any possible protections for their mental and physical health.

cyclone_madge

I'm curious - who would you feel more uncomfortable with going into a public restroom after your daughter, her or him?

Hotwinterdays

Out of context outrage porn, classic reddit.

wisart23

Disgusting

ProlixTST

College paid for.

jeditnek

If he has a ding a ling he should be in the men’s restroom. However, the teachers should have waited for him to get out.

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phatbuoyslim

Can I ask why?

gameplayuh

Why does someone peeing in a private stall bother other people also peeing in stalls that are also private?

cococam1999

because their intentions are unknown, they can identify as whatever YOU cant say they wont rape me or my child thats a grown ass man.

gameplayuh

What? Anyone could rape anyone in any bathroom whether or not any trans people are involved. How does an anti-trans bathroom policy change that?

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gameplayuh

I don't understand how an anti trans bathroom policy prevents rape, can you help me understand how that would work?

StellaAthena

If you can’t handle the existence of minority students around your children, you can take your children out. You don’t get to restrict my human rights because you don’t like me.

abusedsemicolon

Why? Women’s restrooms are all stalls, no urinals like a men’s room. There is far less chance of seeing someone’s genitalia in a women’s bathroom than in a men’s. In fact, basically the only time you would see another person’s genitalia in a women’s bathroom is if you forced your way into the stall like these administrators did. Let people take a dump in peace, trans women aren’t hurting anyone.

cyclone_madge

So would you be okay with a trans man sharing a bathroom with your female child? Or does everyone but cis women have to use the men's room in your world?

gingerbaconkitty

So... are you gonna have every child your kid befriends drop their pants the first time they come over, to make sure they have the right parts to be alone with them?

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Alexagram

You’re an asshole

KingsKnight24

I’m having trouble believing this. School staff? What’s wrong with the world are the people that see anything on the internet and immediately believe it.

bluedholia

Men shouldn't be allowed in women's restrooms.

cheekycherrycola

God forbid we use common sense

If I walked into the women’s toilets there’d be uproar, stick a wig on and it’s fine

Zemykitty -87

There's quite literally no context here. Every single adult here turned their face away when the door opened. No one was 'peering' into the stall.

Sorry, but drugs and all kinds of stuff happens in school. This woman had the right of mind to not only start filming herself while allegedly half naked but then yell at the school administrators.

All we have is the word of this woman that she was targeted specifically for being trans.

Sorry, but drugs and all kinds of stuff happens in school. This woman had the right of mind to not only start filming herself while half naked but then yell at the school administrators.

rawr_rawr_6574 69

Wow. So I guess you'd be fine if I forced open a stall you were in because I assumed you were doing drugs or something. Way to stand up for women.

Barneysparky 12

Next headline high school girl dies of meth overdose in bathroom stall, teachers did nothing, cops took 45 minutes to come.

I work with level 4 youth and participated in about 30 incidents in the last month. We have a no hands policy, which means staff get hit quite a bit, and kids self harm.

The man shouldn't have been in the room, other then that standard procedure. What's missing is the heart to heart encouraging talking which should almost always (some kids can't handle any talking esp positive renforcement, meth..) be happening.

This should have been asked by experts before the public takes it out of context. Again the man shouldn't have been in the room, and the woman was harsh.

rawr_rawr_6574 19

Okay that's all well and good, but the point is that doesn't apply here. It's just something people want to say might be the reason. She had been told not to use the women's restroom, but did it anyways. It's that's simple. People just wanted to be hateful and scar a high schooler.

eAORqNu48P 2

Yes, adults want to harm children on purpose for no reason... Are you listening to yourself?

rawr_rawr_6574 10

Have you read the things adults day about trans kids? I'm not basing this on made up things.

Barneysparky 0

That's the girls side of the story.

To my "expert" eyes taking the girl word for it she was doing a sit in, because she felt the High school policy of a separate bathroom for trans was wrong and she should be able to choose.

If she was one of my kids I would have supported her right to protest and helped her make change. Even if kid didn't get their way they would feel empowered.

I think the people who are mad at the staff (who are responsible for the child at school) are mad not because of her being violated (really wasn't) but because they would have done things differently.

And the kid could just be an all around asshole daily that this staff is burnt out by and they can't show compassion at this moment. Youth care is hard, rewards are hard to notice some days. And some people do it because they need a paycheck unfortunately. Most days I would do my job for free (also volunteer in a simular setting) but even I've had days when I say to myself at least I'm getting paid. Not often.. but getting spit on will do that occasionally.

KatoFW 5

I got smashed in on smoking a blunt in middle school. Was I fucking mad, fuck yeah. Was I doing shit I was not supposed to do, fuck yeah. Actions have consequences sometimes.

rawr_rawr_6574 8

Yeah that's obvious. Of course someone interviened. All she did was go to the bathroom. Big difference. This drug this is all made up.

T0rbjorn 8

We literally have 0 context....

rawr_rawr_6574 13

It says in the article they had asked her not to use the women's restroom. She did anyways. That's the context here.

T0rbjorn 2

Ok, we have one context here*

rawr_rawr_6574 12

That's literally the whole story. Sometimes people are that shit.

DConstructed -10

No one would be happy if that happened to them. However high schools do do bathroom and locker checks. A girl from my class disappeared and it turns out she was kicked out and arrested for carrying around a lot of cocaine for her dealer boyfriend. She had it on school grounds.

And yeah they might force the door if someone refused to come out or break the lock on your locker.

If they do that with their other students without regard to gender then she is being treated just like every other student. Good or bad she is being treated equally.

If they did it only because she is trans then they are bigots.

We don't know.

Sliekery 24

Dude, what the fuck "High Schools do bathroom checks". There is a difference between fucking forcing your bathroom stall open while you are taking a shit and "checking the toilet area for drugs". Not sure in what world you live in to think that its OK to do shit like that but I wouldn't wanna live there.

rawr_rawr_6574 12

No. This doesn't happen. Maybe in movies. This is sexual assualt. Besides, the excuse all these bigots use is they don't want "men dressed as women" busting in on their children. So their response is to bust into a stall with a minor female...with two grown men present in the women's room. How can this be justified?

PopeBasilisk 8

I'd rather have cocaine on school grounds than have administrators harass kids on the toilet. You and your school are fucked in the head.

DConstructed -7

Yes that would be nice. Let me know when you find a school administration
that agrees with you.

Mr_Italics_Man 3

Or a rational person for that matter

AntsyBoarder 7

Breaking the lock on your locker means that they are opening up a door to reveal books, pens, and highlighters. Jimmying the lock on the door of a restroom stall that is currently in use means that they are opening up a door to reveal a minor student who is knowingly not fully clothed. Vastly different.

ableseacat14

That's not what a bathroom check is. Source work at a school

Zemykitty -22

Don't even try and conflate the two.

rawr_rawr_6574 17

You mentioned how it was fine because maybe she did drugs. Maybe you do drugs in bathrooms. Only one way to find out right. We bustin in while you take a piss.

You mentioned how it was fine because maybe she did drugs. Maybe you do drugs in bathrooms. Only way way to find out right. We bustin in while you take a piss.

Zemykitty -10

I'm one person out of 8 billion.

In no way shape or form do I think how I behave and think is universal.

To answer you, I don't do drugs. I would lose my entire career that way.

rawr_rawr_6574 6

In no way shape or form do I think how I behave and think is universal.

That's good. Because the world would be much more bigoted than it already is.

To answer you, I don't do drugs. I would lose my entire career that way.

Well by your logic we can't trust your words. We have to watch you while you pee. It's for your safety too. A drug addict who had to use in the bathroom wouldn't admit it anyways.

kendamasama 2

How do we know? You probably smoke pot on your time off. Everyone smokes pot.

Isthestrugglereal 14

You implied it is justified to break into a stall if drug use is suspected. Now, imagine yourself in that situation. You have your pants around your ankles, doing something so private we have rooms within rooms to conceal it, and 3 people break the door down. How would you feel about that?

PM_ME_JAR_JAR_NUDES 64

Schools should not be kid prisons.

agent_raconteur 59

If you think someone is getting high in the bathroom stall (like it's some kind of 80s movie where smoke doesn't leave the stall?) call the police. And from the video we can see she was not shooting up or whatever you're imagining was happening, so this was unwarranted anyways.

Any other theories for why she was harassed, or will you take the word of those who were there?

Zemykitty -26

After the influx of phony photos and videos people try to use on the internet to get fame and status I'll reserve judgement.

What kind of drugs do you think are only to be inhaled?

agent_raconteur 13

So what drugs do you think the child (who was previously told she couldn't use the women's restroom) was doing? Shooting up heroin without paraphernalia? Maybe doing a line of coke despite living out in Osseo? Maybe the kid was popping pills? You're the one making claims here, what drugs do you think she's on?

Zemykitty -13

I said there are very few times to barricade yourself in a bathroom.

One is if you're up to some shady shit.

The title and the premise of this video is misleading. No men leered at this young lady. Every single person seemed intent just on getting her out of the bathroom.

If you're in a public place and repeatedly told to leave and you refuse you have little recourse. Do you honestly believe three school administrators saw it fit to jimmy the bathroom door open with a hanger because there was a trans girl?

Seriously. Think about that. In this day and age.

And you think this just happens with the prevalence of social media, camera phones, etc?

What's hilarious (sad?) is that there will soon be another post about how teachers are treated like garbage, yelled at, abused, etc. and people will clamor to say how awful kids are.

You choose to see exactly what you want to see because of your bias.

All I asked was why are we thinking the worse and ascribing attitudes, thoughts, etc. to people NONE of us know?

Isthestrugglereal 13

"In this day and age" do you really think just because mainstream America is becoming more trans-friendly that transphobic people don't exist?

"All I asked was why are we thinking the worse and describing attitudes, thoughts, etc. to people NONE of us know?" You mean exactly what you are doing to the girl in the video? Given the evidence provided it makes no sense to defend the admins. Play devils advocate all you want, but don't expect a parade for it.

AntsyBoarder 4

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 this is perfectly stated.

griggs342 -3

It actually isn't. Still don't get it 🙄

agent_raconteur 1

That's your failing

Isthestrugglereal

Which part specifically? I'm happy to clear up what I said.

loctopode 5

I said there are very few times to barricade yourself in a bathroom.

One is if you're up to some shady shit.

Another is if you're having a shit, which doesn't necessitate 3 2 teachers* coming in, unless you're in some sort of extreme danger. And calling using the latch on the door a "barricade" is a bit extreme.

The things you are saying make very little sense. No one should have to experience what these adults did to this person. It is sexual harassment, and it is horrifying. In the end of your comment you ask why we are thinking the worst and ascribing attitudes to people we don't know. However in the beginning of your comment you try to suggest that the person in the stall may be up to "some shady shit". This makes you a total hypocrite. I see no evidence of shady behavior in this video and the teen sounds sober and totally cognizant. I ask that you take a step back, imagine if this had happened to you, and try to flex the atrophied part of your brain that is supposed to experience empathy. I am so sick of people who can watch horrifying things happen to other people and just make up excuse after excuse about why it's okay. Sick of it!!!!

phatbuoyslim

I’m sorry but locking a bathroom stall and sitting on the toilet is barricading yourself?

DriftMantis 3

So you get sexually assaulted because you might have done drugs? There is nothing to judge, it's indefensible and if you think otherwise you are a creep. Bathrooms stalls are a private area. If I was that's kids parents I would sue that school district for obvious gender targeted harrasment and possible sexual misconduct on behalf of the staff.

openup91011

Apparently the parents aren’t doing that, and upthread it was mentioned that they believed she was acting out for attention and forcing the school staff in this whole thing.

I’m trying to search for an actual quote/statement from the parents.

crotchtaste 29

After reading this and all the replies I just want to give you props for thinking beyond the presented narrative and not giving in to outrage porn or reverse discrimination. This parallels another front page post where a bully is picking on a blind kid. Most jump to dehumanize the aggressor while few wonder what provoked them in the first place. Hell, it's dehumanizing the perceived victim to assume the "different" can't also be assholes. And it's not about defending a bully or playing devil's advocate; it's about trying to understand an odd situation, realizing that most people aren't weirdly illogically evil.

xcallmesunshine 6

But then how will people get their outrage fix? God forbid that we navigate societal issues like adults.

luckofthesun 6

But why do they stand there after opening the stall if that’s true? It can’t be to check for drugs

T0rbjorn 3

Was once in school, can confirm students do drugs in the bathroom

Amaris_Gale -5

There is no fucking context in which it is appropriate for an adult to break into a stall that is being used by a lone minor. None. Get your half-veiled bigoted ass outa here.

agodlesspriest -29

Thanks for being an ally.

Zemykitty 36

Let me ask you a question. Do you think minority status grants everyone and anyone a right to do incorrect things? Engage incorrect behavior?

I didn't say this woman acted this way because she was trans. Guess what? Trans people can be jerks. As can straights. Gays. Bisexuals. Furries. Saudi Arabians. Indians. Bhutanese. Liberians.

Because it's human nature.

I said there was zero context. Not that the school was immediately correct and this girl lied.

I would suggest approaching conversations with some nuance instead of making it an 'us vs. me' mentality.

PM_ME_JAR_JAR_NUDES 5

Rule 3.

DeleteBowserHistory 5

Say what now?

rawr_rawr_6574 -6

Please explain the context where this is okay.

KatoFW 16

Because you have only known wealthy county public school let me give you a taste of what the brown kids of Reddit had to go experience in school restrooms:

My personal favorite from Miami-dade public school since we’re on the subject of trans people and ally ship: trans boy was in the boys bathroom cutting himself, teachers were notified, Coach broke into the stall, disarmed him of the razor blade, drug him out of the stall and tore his shirt off to make a wrap and stop as much bleeding as possible (the kid was going for the kill not the attention). He(she now she went back to being a female, though I don’t know which one to use in context of the time or story, ex-transgender?) made it with the paramedics help. Coach was put on leave because of invasion of privacy and some other decency shit, no other teacher was willing to act. Can only imagine how much red tape you would have to go through to do that today.

rawr_rawr_6574

Yeah I'm black and grew up poor Soo.... there's that. Don't assume. Also in that instance someone notified that someone needed help, not that a person they didn't want to be around was using the bathroom. Okay, there will be instances where someone may pass out in the bathroom or something, but that doesn't apply here. She had been warned not to use the bathroom by assholes, she did it, they violated her rights. Very simple.

CarloRossiJugWine

Explain to me a context where this is okay.

Explanation of a context where it's okay.

I don't like this explanation how about you come up with one where I'm not wrong!

T0rbjorn

Oof

rawr_rawr_6574

Okay? There are valid reasons, but the point is those don't even apply. The person was actually using the bathroom anyways, which is what I meant, it's not okay to come in while someone had their pants down and is using the bathroom properly, which this story is about. It's not about a trans woman using drugs in the bathroom. It's about a trans woman using the bathroom.

timeforstars

If you can’t imagine a context where this would be okay you probably haven’t worked with youth.

rawr_rawr_6574

Apparently people don't know how to read context. The situation here is someone was property using the restroom. No suspicious drug activity reported. Just a trans teen using the bathroom. When it is okay for adults to walk in on a teen with their pants down using the restroom?

LiquidAsk -8

You should say thanks for not blindly defending someone, sheesh

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greyttast

She.

DogsWillHunt69

He. Get out of your fantasy world

greyttast

He. Get out of your fantasy world

Oh fuck say it again Daddy, yes! Fuck

Your attack on the gender of some random innocent person you don't know gets me off

Oh fuck do it again. Every time you misgender someone I nut

DogsWillHunt69

Upset because society rejects your insanity every day? Sorry that no one wants to live in your pretend world. Maybe you should try growing up for once in your life.

greyttast

Oh my fucking god I just came

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smallestbox

You have no valid argument. Get out of your fantasy world. Read some actual scholarly articles on the subject and learn. Take your trolling elsewhere

gameplayuh

Even if this was the case, you don't know if the other bathroom was occupied or if it was an emergency (trans people get diarrhea too) or if the other bathroom was clear across the school. Again, even if went you say is true, do you think the best way to handle it is to force your way into a stall while her pants are down and let other students stare?

kidneysc

how do you know this info about the private bathroom?

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gameplayuh

And this is how they should be treated if they disagree with that idea?

Philos_Dribble

Well, their policy probably states men go to the men’s room and women to the women’s. If someone violates that eventually u have to use some kind of force.

gameplayuh

So your answer is yes, you think this video shows the right way to treat someone who breaks this policy?

Lilac-oak

men pee, women pee, men shit, women shit. People belong in bathrooms, bathrooms should have closed doors like europe does so peeping toms aren't a thing. Who gives a fuck whose in there with you when we all are doing the same shit.

Philos_Dribble

Lots of people do, hence the long standing usage of gender specific bathrooms.

Fixedmind

I would wager to guess this is more about stopping drug use then stopping a transgender person from using the restroom.

broncotate27

She better sue the ever living fucking shit out of the school.

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hotcobbler

SHE should use the bathroom she feels most comfortable in. Why do you give a fuck where people shit? You sick fuck.

GeneralSvart

So i could just label myself as a woman and wander into the girls locker room? And then sue the school when they try to throw me out? Sounds great

Lilac-oak

why do we even have split bathrooms? If we'd just make the doors real doors and bring the walls to the floor like normal countries do, it wouldn't matter.

GeneralSvart

Pretty sure all countries have split bathrooms, but i agree with you that there should be unisex bathrooms. My problem lies where people think they're something they're not, and then feel violated and discriminated when facts prove them wrong.
"Im the fucking president, and fuck you if you think otherwise!"

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gameplayuh

So that gives other people the right to expose the child on the toilet in front of other children?

Talamand

Someone needs to talk to someone and it's not the people breaking in the toilet...

jumpsteadeh

In the words of the great Elon Musk: they're a bunch of pedophiles.

rebootworld

Maybe they thought he was doing drugs. Context is important.

PM_ME_HOT_DADS

The context is literally given though and it's not that.

LooseLeaf24

Kinda strange this is posted in two X chromosomes, as this "trans" person is an XY

gl0worms

gross, a TERF

LooseLeaf24

I just learned a new term. Thanks, but im a dude.

However, if i were a woman i would be a terf. Id be pissed as a woman. Women have suffered and struggled for equal rights, wages, and voice for centuries. Now that they have made progress they are forced to include another male who want s to be a woman and should just automatically be included.

KindaAbstruse

The school is saying that the incident is being misrepresented and I believe them.

Minnesota has laws protecting Trans people, I doubt the school could just burst in the bathroom because she used it.

There are plenty of examples of discrimination against transgender. We need to make sure we are "dying on the right hills" to continue to build support for Transgender rights.

MysticalQuack

Who the fuck cares.

Nehemiah92

Feminists.

BlasterBilly

So gross, what type of sick freak gets on their hands and knees in a public toilet?

GoldKangaroo

There is more to this story that we don’t know

baconbandit1973

This was a male in a females restroom. There needs to be a gender neutral restroom.

MisterShazam

People can identify however they choose, but the fact is that trans women do, in fact, not have 2 X chromosomes.

WolfofDesign

We have like 25% of the story. Was he not supposed to in there? Was he skipping class? (mention of how long) did he do something and is hiding?

So much missing context. I HIGHLY doubt they just broke in bc of trans. And if they did, then they all should be fired. ha