Ok so in an attempt to better understand different political views and the basis for them I'm gonna try and pose a different question that I think there will be fundamental differences on so we can discuss the reasons for them.

Hopefully this won't divulge into the normal shit storm it usually does at least not before we have some decent posts on it.

The first question stems from the recent debate on gun control.

I feel that those who oppose gun control for the most part feel that the govt should have a healthy fear of the ppl.

I also feel that while those in favor feel that in this day and age it is not necessary for the govt to fear it's constituents or at the very least the citizens are basically powerless against them so why try.

So the base question is should the govt have a HEALTHY fear of its constituents?

People that think government tyranny could never happen in the USA are naive. History it's full of dead people that didn't think their government would fuck them over. I think the Jews would have shag-assed out of Germany if they knew Hitler was fixing to do with them. It pays to turn a skeptical eye to politicians.

How about this for you - the scumbag pieces of garbage elected to public office fearing that if they try to usurp citizens'freedoms that they will be sent to the gallows or shot for treason?

Property laws limit "freedom" and hardly anybody argues against those. So simply "limiting freedom" isn't enough to count as "treason." If we add the common stipulations onto what we ordinarily mean by "freedom", then the concept becomes empty. Sounds like there is a lot of confusion in these questions.

Back to the thread: Should there be limits to the power of elected officials? Is revolution ever justified? Yes to both, but I don't think that's what is being asked.

Property laws limit "freedom" and hardly anybody argues against those. So simply "limiting freedom" isn't enough to count as "treason." If we add the common stipulations onto what we ordinarily mean by "freedom", then the concept becomes empty. Sounds like there is a lot of confusion in these questions.

Back to the thread: Should there be limits to the power of elected officials? Is revolution ever justified? Yes to both, but I don't think that's what is being asked.

Would you agree that a certain point it is justified? I guess the only question - which is debated often - at what point?

A government is made up of human beings which , the last time I checked, are capable of fear.

I find it odd that you are pretending not to know what is being asked here. Perhaps you are trying to give the appearance that you are intellectually superior........which you are not.

I claim to be a dumbass. Even if we give agency to government we run into a second problem. The question was should a government fear its constituents. But those who make up government are themselves constituents. So the question ends up as "should some people (those elected to public office) fear themselves?"

I think what was being asked was something along the lines of "Can revolutions be justified?" I'm sure he'll clarify.

not it doesnt you brainiac...reality is there is govt you dont have to support it to have an opinion on this subject.

should government fear its constituents? no.. government shouldnt do anything. it shouldnt exist at all. would it result in a better society if a government feared its citizens rather than if it had no fear of rebellion at all? sure, i think thats fairly obvious ! lol

should government fear its constituents? no.. government shouldnt do anything. it shouldnt exist at all. would it result in a better society if a government feared its citizens rather than if it had no fear of rebellion at all? sure, i think thats fairly obvious ! lol

I don't think elected politicians should fear for their life with every political decision they make, no.

Not quite the question I posed, my original used the term healthy.

For instance I have a healthy respect for electricity or fire. That doesn't mean I fear for my life if I'm around a fire or every time I turn on a light. I would however have some fear if I was using it appropriately.

For instance I have a healthy respect for electricity or fire. That doesn't mean I fear for my life if I'm around a fire or every time I turn on a light. I would however have some fear if I was using it appropriately.

There's one liberal in the world, one liberal with many faces. Asking them simple, direct questions or making well though out, relevant analogies won't get you very far with them. I respect you for trying though.