Well, you haven't been on the board for awhile. So I don't blame you for not knowing what had been going on around here. Around the beginning of this month, a lot of people start putting userbars in their signature. A normal userbar is 350x19 in dimension. Everyone was putting two userbars in a row and thus exceeding the width limit by 100pixels. I removed some and left notes in their signature stressing that the width limit is 600pixels.

I guess people just don't listen or read in this case. It didn't work out the way I wanted it to. I really had no choice but to enforce this temporary border limit thing. It's a lot easier for both the members and the Moderating Team to see if the signature is exceeding the limit.

While standard text could be 15pixel in height, it still varies from browser to browser. I still haven't set the definite limit for text yet. I am thinking around 18 ~ 20 pixels per line, though.

Well okay, me not being here has nothing to do with this. I got all of that from reading through this thread. And you didn't really answer all my questions, so I'll ask again. What was the original purpose of the signature requirement? Not the new one. Why is it set to 600 x 250 pixels? What's wrong with 700 pixels in width?

I don't know what it looks like on your browsers, but they show the same text size on mine (both mozilla and ie) and its 10 pixels of text plus the 5 pixels of space underneath it (a total of 15). A space between lines would add another 15 pixels.

It has always been 600pixels for the width limit. It was determined like this.. I used a 1024x768 monitor as the standard. If you open the forums in that resolution, the body of the forums content is only 90% of the width of the monitor. (90% of 1024 is about 900) Then the username and all those group/posts/join date takes up about 160pixels in width. (900 - 160 = 740) I figure I should give at least 100pixels buffer. So that's down to 640pixels. To make it even, I made 600pixels as the width limit for signature.

What I have in mind right now is 1 line of text = 20pixels. But that's not final, I still have to discuss it with Takumi Trueno. For now, we'll let you slide even if you have text that exceed the 250 height limit.

The Public Service Announcement will be there in everyone's signature until I clarify the new signature/avatar rules again shortly after New Year's Day. Thanks for bring it up too, aftermath.

I propose something, I recommend that height limits vary per group. The highest group gets a higher limit than a lower group. Do you agree?

Also, if members decide to use userbars, you should state the maximum amount of userbars that can be used for a signature (assuming they don't use any other images or text).

OK, I need some clarification after reading the details. It says here:

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Everything has to be inside that 600x200 space in your signature, with the exception of text (i.e. - quotes) You can now have 13 lines of text in the signature.

BUT, then it reads:

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So for instance, it's okay to have an image that is 120pixels in height with 5 additional lines of text. Basically, everything has to be equal or no more than 200pixels in height.

So basically, how I read it, the first quote says that everything in your signature has to be in that 600x200 pixel area, NOT including text, in which you say you can have up to 13 lines of text in the signature. But then the second quote contradicts what you said in the first quote, now saying that EVERYTHING (including the text) has to be in that pixel area.

The 13 lines of text comment was made in comparison to the previous rules for text. We used to be able to have only 12 lines of text in the signature without the presence of any images whatsoever. Many people were confused with the text rule, thinking they can have 12 lines of text in addition of having the 600x250 image space. When in fact, that was not the case. But we kind of let most people slide since the rules didn't stated clearly. Now with the new rules, we get 13 lines of text because each line of text count as 15pixels in terms of height. So 13 lines * 15 pixels/line = 195pixels < 200pixels. That's where the 13 lines of text comment came from. I stated that purely for comparison purpose only.

To put it short, you can only have 13 lines of text in your signature when there are no images presented (unless somehow you put in a 5-pixel-tall banner or whatever.)

Edit: I've changed the wording a little bit in the announcement, hopefully it's more clear now.