FRAGMENT

OF THE

DEBATES

IN

THE CONVENTION

OF THE

STATE OF CONNECTICUT,

ON THE

ADOPTION OF THE FEDERAL CONSTITUTION.

Collected from contemporary publications, since the first edition of this
work.

IN CONVENTION,
HARTFORD, January 4, 1788.

SPEECH of OLIVER ELSWORTH, on opening the Debates.

OLIVER ELSWORTH. Mr. President, it is observable that there is no preface to
the proposed Constitution; but it evidently presupposes two things: one is, the
necessity of a federal government; the other is, the inefficacy of the old
Articles of Confederation. A union is necessary for the purposes of a national
defence. United, we are strong; divided, we are weak. It is easy for hostile
nations to sweep off a number of separate states, one after another. Witness
the states in the neighborhood of ancient Rome. They were successively subdued
by that ambitious city, which they might have conquered with the utmost ease,
if they had been united. Witness the Canaanitish nations, whose divided
situation rendered them an easy prey. Witness England, which, when divided into
separate states, was twice conquered by an inferior force. Thus it always
happens to small states, and to great ones, if divided. Or if, to avoid this,
they connect themselves with some powerful state, their situation is not much
better. This shows us the necessity of combining our whole force, and as to
national purposes, becoming one state.

A union, sir, is likewise necessary, considered with relation to
economy. Small states have enemies, as well as great ones. They must provide
for their defence. The expense of it, which would be moderate for a large
kingdom, would be intolerable to a petty state. The Dutch are wealthy; but they
are one of the smallest of the European nations, and their taxes are higher
than in any other country of Europe. Their taxes amount to forty shillings per
head, when those of England do not exceed half that sum.

We must unite, in order to preserve peace among ourselves. If we be divided,
what is to prevent wars from breaking out among the states? States, as well as
individuals, are subject to ambition, to avarice, to those jarring passions
which disturb the peace of society. What is to check these? If there be a
parental hand over the whole, this, and nothing else, can restrain the unruly
conduct of the members.

Union is necessary to preserve commutative justice between the states. If
divided, what is to prevent the large states from oppressing the small? What is
to defend us from the ambition and rapacity of New York, when she has spread
over that vast territory which she claims and holds? Do we not already see in
her the seeds of an overbearing ambition? On our other side there is a large
and powerful state. Have we not already begun to be tributaries? If we do not
improve the present critical time, — if we do not unite, — shall we
not be like Issachar of old, a strong ass crouching down between two burdens?
New Jersey and Delaware have seen this, and have adopted the Constitution
unanimously.

A more energetic system is necessary. The present is merely advisory. It has
no coercive power. Without this, government is ineffectual, or rather is no
government at all. But it is said, "Such a power is not necessary. States
will not do wrong. They need only to be told their duty, and they will do
it." I ask, sir, What warrant is there for this assertion? Do not states
do wrong? Whence come wars? One of two hostile nations must be in the wrong.
But it is said, "Among sister states, this can never be presumed."
But do we not know that, when friends become enemies, their enmity is the most
virulent? The seventeen provinces of the Netherlands were once confederated:
they fought under the same banner. Antwerp, hard pressed by Philip, applied to
the other states for relief. Holland, a rival in trade, opposed and prevented
the needy succors. Antwerp was made a sacrifice. I wish I could say there were
no seeds of similar injustice springing up among us. Is there not in one of our
states injustice too barefaced for Eastern despotism? That state is small: it
does little hurt to any but itself. But it has a spirit which would make a
Tophet of the universe. But some will say, "We formerly did well without
any union." I answer, Our situation is materially changed. While Great
Britain held her authority, she awed us. She appointed governors and councils
for the American provinces. She had a negative upon our laws. But now, our
circumstances are so altered, that there is no arguing what we shall be, from
what we have been.

It is said, that other confederacies have not had the principle of coercion.
Is this so? Let us attend to those confederacies which have resembled our own.
Some time before Alexander, the Grecian states confederated together. The
Amphictyonic council, consisting of deputies from these states, met at Delphos,
and had authority to regulate the general interests of Greece. This council did
enforce its decrees by coercion. The Boeotians once infringed upon a decree of
the Amphictyons. A mulct was laid upon them. They refused to pay it. Upon that,
their whole territory was confiscated. They were then glad to compound the
matter. After the death of Alexander, the Achaean league was formed. The
decrees of this confederacy were enforced by dint of arms. The AEtolian league
was formed by some other Grecian cities, in opposition to the Achaean; and
there was no peace between them until they were conquered and reduced to a
Roman province. They were then obliged to sit down in peace under the same yoke
of despotism.

How is it with respect to the principle of coercion in the Germanic body? In
Germany there are about three hundred principalities and republics. Deputies
from these meet annually in the general diet, to make regulations for the
empire. But the execution of these is not left voluntarily with the members.
The empire is divided into ten circles, over each of which a superintendent is
appointed, with the rank of a major-general. It is his duty to execute the
decrees of the empire with a military force.

The confederation of the Swiss cantons has been considered as an example.
But their circumstances are far different from ours. They are small republics,
about twenty miles square, situated among the Alps, and inaccessible to hostile
attacks. They have nothing to tempt an invasion. Till lately, they had neither
commerce nor manufactures. They were merely a set of herdsmen. Their
inaccessibleness has availed them. Four hundred of those mountaineers defeated
15,000 Austrians, who were marching to subdue them. They spend the ardor of
youth in foreign service: they return old, and disposed for tranquillity.
Between some of the cantons and France, there has long subsisted a defensive
treaty. By this treaty, France is to be a mediator to settle differences
between the cantons. If any one be obstinate, France is to compel a submission
to reasonable terms.

The Dutch republic is an example that merits attention. The form of their
constitution, as it is on paper, admits not of coercion. But necessity has
introduced it in practice. This coercive power is the influence of the
stadtholder — an officer originally unknown to their constitution. But
they have been necessitated to appoint him, in order to set their unwieldy
machine of government in motion. He is commander-in-chief of their navy, and of
their army, consisting of forty or fifty regiments. He appoints the officers of
the land and naval forces. He presides in the States-General, and in the states
of every province, and, by means of this, he has a great opportunity to
influence the elections and decisions. The province of Holland has ever been
opposed to the appointment of a stadtholder; because, by its wealth and power,
being equal to all the other provinces, it possesses the weight and influence
of the stadtholder, when that office is vacant. Without such an influence,
their machine of government would no more move, than a ship without wind, or a
clock without weights.

But to come nearer home. Mr. President, have we not seen and felt the
necessity of such a coercive power? What was the consequence of the want of it
during the late war, particularly towards the close? A few states bore the
burden of the war. While we and one or two more of the states were paying
eighty or a hundred dollars per man to recruit the Continental army, the
regiments of some states had scarcely men enough to wait on their officers.
Since the close of the war, some of the states have done nothing towards
complying with the requisitions of Congress. Others. who did something at
first, seeing that they were left to bear the whole burden, have become equally
remiss. What is the consequence? To what shifts have we been driven? To the
wretched expedient of negotiating new loans in Europe, to pay the interest of
the foreign debt. And what is still worse, we have even been obliged to apply
the new loans to the support of our own civil government at home.

Another ill consequence of this want of energy is, that treaties are not
performed. The treaty of peace with Great Britain was a very favorable one for
us. But it did not happen perfectly to please some of the states, and they
would not comply with it. The consequence is, Britain charges us with the
breach, and refuses to deliver up the forts on our northern quarter.

Our being tributaries to our sister states is in consequence of the want of
a federal system. The state of New York raises 60 or £80,000 a year by
impost. Connecticut consumes about one third of the goods upon which this
impost is laid, and consequently pays one third of this sum to New York. If we
import by the medium of Massachusetts, she has an impost, and to her we pay a
tribute. If this is done when we have the shadow of a national government, what
shall we not suffer when even that shadow is gone!

If we go on as we have done, what is to become of the foreign debt? Will
sovereign nations forgive us this debt, because we neglect to pay? or will they
levy it by reprisals, as the laws of nations authorize them? Will our weakness
induce Spain to relinquish the exclusive navigation of the Mississippi, or the
territory which she claims on the east side of that river? Will our weakness
induce the British to give up the northern posts? If a war breaks out, and our
situation invites our enemies to make war, how are we to defend ourselves? Has
government the means to enlist a man or buy an ox? Or shall we rally the
remainder of our old army? The European nations I believe to be not friendly to
us. They were pleased to see us disconnected from Great Britain; they are
pleased to see us disunited among ourselves. If we continue so, how easy it is
for them to canton us out among them, as they did the kingdom of Poland! But
supposing this is not done, if we suffer the union to expire, the least that
may be expected is, that the European powers will form alliances, some with one
state and some with another, and play the states off one against another, and
that we shall be involved in all the labyrinths of European politics. But I do
not wish to continue the painful recital; enough has been said to show that a
power in the general government to enforce the decrees of the Union is
absolutely necessary.

The Constitution before us is a complete system of legislative, judicial,
and executive power. It was designed to supply the defects of the former
system; and I believe, upon a full discussion, it will be found calculated to
answer the purposes for which it was designed.

JANUARY 7, 1788. [On the Power of Congress to lay
Taxes.]

OLIVER ELSWORTH. Mr. President, this is a most important clause in the
Constitution; and the gentlemen do well to offer all the objections which they
have against it. Through the whole of this debate, I have attended to the
objections which have been made against this clause; and I think them all to be
unfounded. The clause is general; it gives the general legislature "power
to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises, to pay the debts and
provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States."
There are three objections against this clause — first, that it is too
extensive, as it extends to all the objects of taxation; secondly, that, it is
partial; thirdly, that Congress ought not to have power to lay taxes at all.

The first objection is, that this clause extends to all the objects of
taxation. But though it does extend to all, it does not extend to them
exclusively. It does not say that Congress shall have all these sources of
revenue, and the states none. All, excepting the impost, still lie open to the
states. This state owes a debt; it must provide for the payment of it. So do
all the other states. This will not escape the attention of Congress. When
making calculations to raise a revenue, they will bear this in mind. They will
not take away that which is necessary for the states. They are the head, and
will take care that the members do not perish. The state debt, which now lies
heavy upon us, arose from the want of powers in the federal system. Give the
necessary powers to the national government, and the state will not be again
necessitated to involve itself in debt for its defence in war. It will lie upon
the national government to defend all the states, to defend all its members,
from hostile attacks. The United States will bear the whole burden of war. It
is necessary that the power of the general legislature should extend to all the
objects of taxation, that government should be able to command all the
resources of the country; because no man can tell what our exigencies may be.
Wars have now become rather wars of the purse than of the sword. Government
must therefore be able to command the whole power of the purse; otherwise a
hostile nation may look into our Constitution, see what resources are in the
power of government, and calculate to go a little beyond us; thus they may
obtain a decided superiority over us, and reduce us to the utmost distress. A
government which can command but half its resources is like a man with but one
arm to defend himself.

The second objection is, that the impost is not a proper mode of taxation;
that it is partial to the Southern States. I confess I am mortified when I find
gentlemen supposing that their delegates in Convention were inattentive to
their duty, and made a sacrifice of the interests of their constituents. If,
however, the impost be a partial mode, this circumstance, high as my opinion of
it is, would weaken my attachment to it; for I abhor partiality. But I think
there are three special reasons why an impost is the best way of raising a
national revenue.

The first is, it is the most fruitful and easy way. All nations have found
it to be so. Direct taxation can go but little way towards raising a revenue.
To raise money in this way, people must be provident; they must constantly be
laying up money to answer the demands of the collector. But you cannot make
people thus provident. If you would do any thing to the purpose, you must come
in when they are spending, and take a part with them. This does not take away
the tools of a man's business, or the necessary utensils of his family: it only
comes in when he is taking his pleasure, and feels generous; when he is laying
out a shilling for superfluities, it takes twopence of it for public use, and
the remainder will do him as much good as the whole. I will instance two facts,
which show how easily and insensibly a revenue is raised by indirect taxation.
I suppose people in general are not sensible that we pay a tax to the state of
New York. Yet it is an incontrovertible fact, that we, the people of
Connecticut, pay annually into the treasury of New York more than fifty
thousand dollars. Another instance I will mention: one of our common river
sloops pays in the West Indies a portage bill of £60. This is a tax Which
foreigners lay upon us, and we pay it; for a duty laid upon our shipping, which
transports our produce to foreign markets, sinks the price of our produce, and
operates as an effectual tax upon those who till the ground, and bring the
fruits of it to market. All nations have seen the necessity and propriety of
raising a revenue by indirect taxation, by duties upon articles of consumption.
France raises a revenue of twenty-four millions sterling per annum; and it is
chiefly in this way. Fifty millions of livres they raise upon the single
article of salt. The Swiss cantons raise almost the whole of their revenue upon
salt. Those states purchase all the salt which is to be used in the country:
they sell it out to the people at an advanced price; the advance is the revenue
of the country. In England, the whole public revenue is about twelve millions
sterling per annum. The land tax amounts to about two millions; the window and
some other taxes, to about two millions more. The other eight millions are
raised upon articles of consumption. The whole standing army of Great Britain
could not enforce the collection of this vast sum by direct taxation. In
Holland, their prodigious taxes, amounting to forty shillings for each
inhabitant, are levied chiefly upon articles of consumption. They excise every
thing, not excepting even their houses of infamy.

The experiments, which have been made in our own country, show the
productive nature of indirect taxes. The imports into the United States amount
to a very large sum. They never will be less, but will continue to increase for
centuries to come. As the population of our country increases the imports will
necessarily increase. They will increase, because our citizens will choose to
be farmers, living independently on their freeholds, rather than to be
manufacturers, and work for a groat a day. I find by calculation that a general
impost of 5 per cent. would raise the sum of £245,000 per annum, deducting
8 per cent. for the charges of collect ing. A further sum might be deducted for
smuggling — a business which is too well understood among us, and which is
looked upon in too favorable a light. But this loss in the public revenue will
be overbalanced by an increase of importations. And a further sum may be
reckoned upon some articles which will bear a higher duty than the one
recommended by Congress. Rum, instead of 4d. per gallon, may be set higher
without any detriment to our health or morals. In England, it pays a duty of
4s. 6d. the gallon. Now, let us compare this source of revenue with our
national wants. The interest of the foreign debt is £130,000 lawful money
per annum. The expenses of the civil list are £37,000. There are likewise
further expenses for maintaining the frontier posts, for the support of those
who have been disabled in the service of the Continent, and some other
contingencies, amounting, together with the civil list, to £130,000. This
sum, added to the interest of the foreign debt, will be £260,000. The
consequence follows, that the avails of the impost will pay the interest of the
whole foreign debt, and nearly satisfy those current national expenses. But
perhaps it will be said that these paper calculations are overdone, and that
the real avails will fall far short. Let me point out, then, what has actually
been done. In only three of the states, in Massachusetts, New York, and
Pennsylvania, 160 or £180,000 per annum have been raised by impost. From
this fact, we may certainly conclude that, if a general impost should be laid,
it would raise a greater sum than I have calculated. It is a strong argument in
favor of an impost, that the collection of it will interfere less with the
internal police of the states than any other species of taxation. It does not
fill the country with revenue officers, but is confined to the sea-coast, and
is chiefly a water operation. Another weighty reason in favor of this branch of
the revenue is, if we do not give it to Congress, the individual states will
have it. It will give some states an opportunity of oppressing others, and
destroy all harmony between them. If we would have the states friendly to each
other, let us take away this bone of contention, and place it, as it ought in
justice to be placed, in the hands of the general government.

"But," says an honorable gentleman near me, "the impost will
be a partial tax; the Southern States will pay but little in comparison with
the Northern." I ask, What reason is there for this assertion? Why, says
he, we live in a cold climate, and want warming. Do not they live in a hot
climate, and want quenching? Until you get as far south as the Carolinas, there
is no material difference in the quantity of clothing which is worn. In
Virginia, they have the same course of clothing that we have; in Carolina, they
have a great deal of cold, raw, chilly weather; even in Georgia, the River
Savannah has been crossed upon the ice. And if they do not wear quite so great
a quantity of clothing in those states as with us, yet people of rank wear that
which is of a much more expensive kind. In these states, we manufacture one
half of our clothing, and all our tools of husbandry; in those, they
manufacture none, nor ever will. They will not manufacture, because they find
it much more profitable to cultivate their lands, which are exceedingly
fertile. Hence they import almost every thing, not excepting the carriages in
which they ride, the hoes with which they till the ground, and the boots which
they wear. If we doubt of the extent of their importations, let us look at
their exports. So exceedingly fertile and profitable are their lands, that a
hundred large ships are every year loaded with rice and indigo from the single
port of Charleston. The rich return of these cargoes of immense value will be
all subject to the impost. Nothing is omitted; a duty is to be paid upon the
blacks which they import. From Virginia, their exports are valued at a million
sterling per annum: the single article of tobacco amounts to seven or eight
hundred thousand. How does this come back? Not in money; for the Virginians are
poor, to a proverb, in money. They anticipate their crops: they spend faster
than they earn: they are ever in debt. Their rich exports return in eatables,
in drinkables, and in wearables. All these are subject to the impost. In
Maryland, their exports are as great in proportion as those in Virginia. The
imports and exports of the Southern States are quite as great in proportion as
those of the Northern. Where, then, exists this partiality, which has been
objected? It exists nowhere but in the uninformed mind.

But there is one objection, Mr. President, which is broad enough to cover
the whole subject. Says the objector, Congress ought not to have power to raise
any money at all. Why? Because they have the power of the sword; and if we give
them the power of the purse, they are despotic. But I ask, sir, if ever there
were a government without the power of the sword and the purse? This is not a
new-coined phrase; but it is misapplied: it belongs to quite another subject.
It was brought into use in Great Britain, where they have a king vested with
hereditary power. Here, say they, it is dangerous to place the power of the
sword and the purse in the hands of one man, who claims an authority
independent of the people: therefore we will have a Parliament. But the king
and Parliament together, the supreme power of the nation, — they have the
sword and the purse. And they must have both; else, how could the country be
defended? For the sword without the purse is of no effect: it is a sword in the
scabbard. But does it follow, because it is dangerous to give the power of the
sword and purse to an hereditary prince, who is independent of the people, that
therefore it is dangerous to give it to the Parliament — to Congress,
which is your Parliament — to men appointed by yourselves, and dependent
upon yourselves? This argument amounts to this: you must cut a man in two in
the middle, to prevent his hurting himself.

But, says the honorable objector, if Congress levies money, they must
legislate. I admit it. Two legislative powers, says he, cannot legislate in the
same place. I ask, Why can they not? It is not enough to say they cannot. I
wish for some reason. I grant that both cannot legislate upon the same object
at the same time, and carry into effect laws which are contrary to each other.
But the Constitution excludes every thing of this kind. Each legislature has
its province; their limits may be distinguished. If they will run foul of each
other, if they will be trying who has the hardest head, it cannot be helped.
The road is broad enough; but if two men will jostle each other, the fault is
not in the road. Two several legislatures have in fact existed and acted at the
same time in the same territory. It is in vain to say they cannot exist, when
they actually have done it. In the time of the war, we had an army. Who made
the laws for the army? By whose authority were offenders tried and executed?
Congress. By their authority a man was taken, tried, condemned, and hanged, in
this very city. He belonged to the army; he was a proper subject of military
law; he deserted to the enemy; he deserved his fate. Wherever the army was, in
whatever state, there Congress had complete legislative, judicial, and
executive power. This very spot where we now are is a city. It has complete
legislative, judicial, and executive powers; it is a complete state in
miniature. Yet it breeds no confusion, it makes no schism. The city has not
eaten up the state, nor the state the city. But if there be a new city, if it
have not had lime to unfold its principles, I will instance the city of New
York, which is, and long has been, an important part of that state; it has been
found beneficial; its powers and privileges have not clashed with the state.
The city of London contains three or four times as many inhabitants as the
whole state of Connecticut. It has extensive powers of government, and yet it
makes no interference with the general government of the kingdom. This
Constitution defines the extent of the powers of the general government. If the
general legislature should at any time overleap their limits, the judicial
department is a constitutional check. If the United States go beyond their
powers, if they make a law which the Constitution does not authorize, it is
void; and the judicial power, the national judges, who, to secure their
impartiality, are to be made independent, will declare it to be void. On the
other hand, if the states go beyond their limits, if they make a law which is a
usurpation upon the general government, the law is void; and upright,
independent judges will declare it to be so. Still, however, if the United
States and the individual states wilt quarrel, if they want to fight, they may
do it, and no frame of government can possibly prevent it. It is sufficient for
this Constitution. that, so far from laying them under a necessity of
contending, it provides every reasonable check against it. But perhaps, at
some. time or other, there will be a contest; the states may rise against the
general government. If this do take place, if all the states combine, if all
oppose, the whole will not eat up the members, but the measure which is opposed
to the sense of the people will prove abortive. In republics, it is a
fundamental principle that the majority govern, and that the minority comply
with the general voice. How contrary, then, to republican principles, how
humiliating, is our present situation! A single state can rise up, and put a
veto upon the most important public measures. We have seen this actually
take place. A single state has controlled the general voice of the Union: a
minority, a very small minority, has governed us. So far is this from being
consistent with republican principles, that it is, in effect, the worst species
of monarchy.

Hence we see how necessary for the Union is a coercive principle. No man
pretends the contrary: we all see and feel this necessity. The only question
is, Shall it be a coercion of law, or a coercion of arms? There is no other
possible alternative. Where will those who oppose a coercion of law come out?
Where will they end? A necessary consequence of their principles is a war of
the states one against the other. I am for coercion by law — that coercion
which acts only upon delinquent individuals. This Constitution does not attempt
to coerce sovereign bodies, states, in their political capacity. No coercion is
applicable to such bodies, but that of an armed force. If we should attempt to
execute the laws of the Union by sending an armed force against a delinquent
state, it would involve the good and bad, the innocent and guilty, in the same
calamity.

But this legal coercion singles out the guilty individual, and punishes him
for breaking the laws of the Union. All men will see the reasonableness of
this; they will acquiesce, and say, Let the guilty suffer.

How have the morals of the people been depraved for the want of an efficient
government, which might establish justice and righteousness! For the want of
this, iniquity has come in upon us like an overflowing flood. If we wish to
prevent this alarming evil, if we wish to protect the good citizen in his
right, we must lift up the standard of justice; we must establish a national
government, to be enforced by the equal decisions of law, and the peaceable arm
of the magistrate.

JANUARY 9, 1788. Gov. HUNTINGDON. Mr. President, I do
not rise to detain this Convention for any length of time. The subject has been
so fully discussed, that very little can be added to what has already been
offered. I have heard and attended with pleasure to what has been said on it.
The importance of it merited a full and ample discussion. It does not give me
pain, but pleasure, to hear the sentiments of those gentlemen who differ from
me. It is not to be expected from human nature that we should all have the same
opinion. The best way to learn the nature and effects of different systems of
government, is not from theoretical dissertations, but from experience —
from what has actually taken place among mankind. From this same source it is
that mankind have obtained a more complete knowledge of the nature of
government than they had in ages past. It is an established truth that no
nation can exist without a coercive power — a power to enforce the
execution of its political regulations. There is such a love of liberty
implanted in the human heart, that no nation ever willingly gave up its
liberty. If they lose this inestimable birthright of men, it is not for a want
of the will, but of the proper means to support it. If we look into history, we
shall find that the common avenue through which tyranny has entered in, and
enslaved nations who were once free, has been their not supporting government.

The great secret of preserving liberty is, to lodge the supreme power so as
to be well supported, and not abused. If this could be effected, no nation
would ever lose its liberty. The history of man clearly shows that it is
dangerous to intrust the supreme power in the hands of one man. The same source
of knowledge proves that it is not only inconvenient, but dangerous to liberty,
for the people of a large community to attempt to exercise in person the
supreme authority. Hence arises the necessity that the people should act by
their representatives; but this method, so necessary for civil liberty, is an
improvement of modern times. Liberty, however, is not so well secured as it
ought to be, when the supreme power is lodged in one body of representatives.
There ought to be two branches of the legislature, that one may be a check upon
the other. It is difficult for the people at large to know when the supreme
power is verging towards abuse, and to apply the proper remedy. But if the
government be properly balanced, it will possess a renovating principle, by
which it will be able to right itself. The constitution of the British nation
affords us great light upon the subject of government. Learned men in other
countries have admired it, though they thought it too fine-spun to prove
beneficial in practice. But a long trial has now shown its excellence; and the
difficulties which that nation now experiences arise not from their
constitution, but from other circumstances.

The Author of nature has given mankind a certain degree of insight into
futurity. As far as we can see a probability that certain events will happen,
so far we do well to provide and guard. But we may attempt to go too far. It is
in vain to think of providing against every possible contingency. The happiness
of society depends not merely upon its constitution of government, but upon a
variety of circumstances. One constitution may suit one particular nation
exceedingly well, when a different one would suit another nation in different
circumstances. Even among the American states, there is such a difference in
sentiments, habits, and customs, that a government which might be very suitable
for one might not be agreeable to the other.

I am fully of opinion that the great council of the Union must have a
controlling power with respect to national concerns. There is, at present, an
extreme want of power in the national government; and it is my opinion that
this Constitution does not give too much. As to the subject of representation,
at the first view it appears small; but, on the whole, the purposes of the
Union could not be so well answered by a greater number. It is impracticable to
have the number of the representatives as great, and times of election as
frequent, as they are in our state governments. Nor is this necessary for the
security of our liberty. It is sufficient if the choice of our representatives
be so frequent that they must depend upon the people, and that an inseparable
connection be kept up between the electors and the elected.

The state governments, I think, will not be endangered by the powers vested
by this Constitution in the general government. While I have attended in
Congress, I have observed that the members were quite as strenuous advocates
for the rights of their respective states, as for those of the Union. I doubt
not but that this will continue to be the case; and hence I infer that the
general government will not have the disposition to encroach upon the states.
But still the people themselves must be the chief support of liberty. While the
great body of freeholders are acquainted with the duties which they owe to
their God, to themselves, and to men, they will remain free. But if ignorance
and depravity should prevail, they will inevitably lead to slavery and ruin.
Upon the whole view of this Constitution, I am in favor of it, and think it
bids fair to promote our national prosperity.

This is a new event in the history of mankind. Heretofore most governments
have been formed by tyrants, and imposed on mankind by force. Never before did
a people, in time of peace and tranquillity, meet together by their
representatives, and, with calm deliberation, frame for themselves a system of
government. This noble attempt does honor to our country. While I express my
sentiments in favor of this Constitution, I candidly believe that those
gentlemen who oppose it are actuated by principles of regard to the public
welfare. If we will exercise mutual candor for each other, and sincerely
endeavor to maintain our liberties, we may long continue to be a free and happy
people.

Hon. RICHARD LAW. Mr. President, the important subject before us has been
examined so particularly, that I do not expect to add any thing new. As we have
been a long time poring upon the defective parts of the Constitution, I think
it will not be amiss to pay some attention to its excellences. There is one
clause in it which provides a remedy for whatever defects it may have. The
clause to which I refer is that which provides that, whenever two thirds of
Congress, or a convention to be called at the instance of two thirds of the
states, shall propose amendments, and they be agreed to by three fourths of the
states, such amendments shall be valid, as part of the Constitution. This is an
easy and peaceable way of amending any parts of the Constitution which may be
found inconvenient in practice.

As this is a most important question, as it concerns not only present but
future generations, we ought to consider it upon its real merits, without
suffering our minds to be misled by examples of other nations, whose
circumstances are very different from ours. Some have been led into a mistake,
by comparing a part of this Constitution with that of Great Britain. But this
is very different from theirs. Our President is not a King, nor our Senate a
House of Lords. They do not claim an independent, hereditary authority. But the
whole is elective; all dependent on the people. The President, the Senate, the
Representatives, are all creatures of the people. Therefore the people will be
secure from oppression; though I admit that, if our President and Senate were
possessed of an independent, hereditary authority, the democratical branch
would be too weak for the others.

Some suppose that the general government, which extends over the whole, will
annihilate the state governments. But consider that this general government
rests upon the state governments for its support. It is like a vast and
magnificent bridge, built upon thirteen strong and stately pillars. Now, the
rulers, who occupy the bridge, cannot be so beside themselves as to knock away
the pillars which support the whole fabric. But, some say, a free government,
like this, has not energy enough to pervade a country of such vast extent.

We are not satisfied with this assertion. We want to try the experiment. A
free system of government is now presented to our acceptance. We shall be
wanting to ourselves, if, instead of adopting it, we wait for the arm of
tyranny to impose upon us a system of despotism. The finger of Providence is
evidently to be seen in the political affairs of this country. The old Articles
of Confederation were once the best that we should have been willing to adopt.
We have been led on by imperceptible degrees to see that they are defective;
and now, if it be the design of Providence to make us a great and happy people,
I believe that he who turns the hearts of the children of men as the rivers of
water are turned, will induce the people of the United States to accept of a
Constitution which is well calculated to promote their national welfare.

Hon. OLIVER WOLCOTT. Mr. President, I do not expect to throw any new light
on a subject which has been so fully discussed. Yet I cannot content myself
without giving my opinion more explicitly than by a silent vote. It is
generally agreed that the present Confederation is inadequate to the exigencies
of our national affairs. We must therefore adopt this plan of government, or
some other, or risk the consequences of disunion. As the present Articles of
Confederation are inadequate, we ought to consider whether this Constitution be
as good as can be agreed on by so many different states, or whether it be a
dangerous system; whether it secures the liberties of the people, or whether
its tendency be unfavorable to the rights of a free people. I have given it all
the consideration in my power, and I have, a considerable time since, made up
my mind on the subject, and think it my duty to give my voice in favor of
adopting it. It is founded upon the election of the people. If it varies from
the former system, or if it is to be altered hereafter, it must be with the
consent of the people. This is all the security in favor of liberty that can be
expected. Mankind may become corrupt, and give up the cause of freedom; but I
believe that love of liberty which prevails among the people of this country
will prevent such a direful calamity.

The Constitution effectually secures the states in their several rights. It
must secure them for its own sake; for they are the pillars which uphold the
general system. The Senate, a constituent branch of the general legislature,
without whose assent no public act can be made, are appointed by the states,
and will secure the rights of the several states. The other branch of the
legislature, the Representatives, are to be elected by the people at large.
They will therefore be the guardians of the rights of the great body of the
citizens. So well guarded is this Constitution throughout, that it seems
impossible that the rights either of the states or of the people should be
destroyed.

I do not see the necessity of such a test as some gentlemen wish for.
The Constitution enjoins an oath upon all the officers of the United States.
This is a direct appeal to that God who is the avenger of perjury. Such an
appeal to him is a full acknowledgment of his being and providence. An
acknowledgment of these great truths is all that the gentleman contends for.
For myself, I should be content either with or without that clause in the
Constitution which excludes test laws. Knowledge and liberty are so prevalent
in this country, that I do not believe that the United States would ever be
disposed to establish one religious sect, and lay all others under legal
disabilities. But as we know not what may take place hereafter, and any such
test would be exceedingly injurious to the rights of free citizens, I cannot
think it altogether superfluous to have added a clause, which secures us from
the possibility of such oppression. I shall only add, that I give my assent to
this Constitution, and am happy to see the states in a fair way to adopt a
Constitution which will protect their rights and promote their welfare.