I mean, if Clowney is at our pick he WILL be the pick. With our love for DEs and the fact he's one of the best to come around in a LONG LONG time, I think there is no doubt we take him.You don't pass on a once-in-a-decade talent for some OT. There are amazing OTs in every draft. Can't say the same for DEs.

And I'm not sure what you mean, NYG. You act like the three step drop and quick passing concepts has neutralized the usefulness of the DE. Then why are DE/pass rushers still getting absurd sack numbers? Also, look at a guy like JJ Watt. He puts up great sack totals AND he has a huge impact because of his ability to swat down passes.

This kind of reminds me of the Calvin Johnson Detroit situation. Do you pass on a WR of that caliber just bc you drafted 2 before him? Hell no. And in hindsight Detroit absolutely made the right move to draft him.

Clowney to us would be no different. There's no way you pass on Clowney just bc you drafted DEs in the past. No way. You don't pass on that kind of talent if he's on the board.

To be fair to NYG, he did say that he doesn't expect Clowney to be on the board when we pick so he's just looking at other scenarios.

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No I am saying that's what happening to our DL. You can still do that with any DL. Watt is not the rule, he is the exception. However, no its all about the 34 LBs. They are the ones who are consistently producing.

I am putting my hat in the ring for Clowney yet or anyone for that matter. But like I told BBD pretend he is not in the draft because fixating on him isn't a good thing especially if we don't get him. A lot of sad faces if people ride that train and if its not plausible to draft him bexause he isn't in our range they will be very sad.

That's not accurate. And also, you do realize that 3-4 OLB rushers are just stand up DEs who rush out of a 2 point stance right? There really is no difference btw them and a 4-3 DE anymore. It's not like the 80s and 90s when teams would drop them in coverage a lot. Nowadays your 3-4 edge rushers are rushing like 90% of the time and they face the same pass protections as a 4-3 End.

This kind of reminds me of the Calvin Johnson Detroit situation. Do you pass on a WR of that caliber just bc you drafted 2 before him? Hell no. And in hindsight Detroit absolutely made the right move to draft him.

Clowney to us would be no different. There's no way you pass on Clowney just bc you drafted DEs in the past. No way. You don't pass on that kind of talent if he's on the board.

To be fair to NYG, he did say that he doesn't expect Clowney to be on the board when we pick so he's just looking at other scenarios.

That's not accurate. And also, you do realize that 3-4 OLB rushers are just stand up DEs who rush out of a 2 point stance right? There really is no difference btw them and a 4-3 DE anymore. It's not like the 80s and 90s when teams would drop them in coverage a lot. Nowadays your 3-4 edge rushers are rushing like 90% of the time and they face the same pass protections as a 4-3 End.

Depends on the system and if its 1 gap or 2. Also its the scheme and creativity that allows for mismatches so that DCs can out their players in a place to succeed. We saw this with Space. Personal utilization and how to put them I. a spot to succeed.

Would you go to draft day if we pick really high? We should meet up. I can. give you my coaching stuff. I sent some via mail to people on BBI.

No I am saying that's what happening to our DL. You can still do that with any DL. Watt is not the rule, he is the exception. However, no its all about the 34 LBs. They are the ones who are consistently producing.

I am putting my hat in the ring for Clowney yet or anyone for that matter. But like I told BBD pretend he is not in the draft because fixating on him isn't a good thing especially if we don't get him. A lot of sad faces if people ride that train and if its not plausible to draft him bexause he isn't in our range they will be very sad.

Yes, and Clowney has arguably even better tools and talent than Watt does. He would be the exception to the rule.

And BBD is right. 3-4 OLBs are really just DEs. The only different is they might drop into coverage SLIGHTLY more.

And I honestly don't expect us to suck enough to pick Clowney. All I am saying is if he WAS at our pick you take him and never regret it.

I watching UVA vs. MD and I have no clue where he is projected but I want UVA TE Jake McGee. I remember watching him last year and was super impressed. NYG you should take a look at him as a TE guy.

Jake McGee is the truth. He is the only playmaker on the UVa offense. He has such great ability when the ball is in the air, but he makes some mental errors and fumbles a bit too much. He's also not a great blocker. Maybe Pope can make him into one... he has the size for it. I believe he is like 4.7/4.8 guy at 6'6 250 that's pretty solid.

McGee with a TD just now. I always thought Eifert was a bit small at ND. He's certainly buffed up a bit. McGee looks bigger than Eifert was in college.

I could have figured when we were on the clock that Tyler E. would be our pick. I didn't even know who Pugh was. Tyler E would have been good for us. I'd void Myers contract and now get another TE in here.

Pugh has been pretty damn good and just imagine how terrible our OL would be without him.

You can't really kill the Giants for taking him at all. I had other guys on the board ahead of him but I did like him, and looking at our current situation I think it's safe to say he was the right pick.

The first 2 rounds (outside of David Wilson) haven't been the problem for us. It's the middle rounds.

Pugh has been pretty damn good and just imagine how terrible our OL would be without him.

You can't really kill the Giants for taking him at all. I had other guys on the board ahead of him but I did like him, and looking at our current situation I think it's safe to say he was the right pick.

The first 2 rounds (outside of David Wilson) haven't been the problem for us. It's the middle rounds.

We just need a good draft and we'll be fine.

No, I am not killing them. It was my thought then at the time. Who was Pugh? It was all the other guys like Fluker, Chance W. and so on. And all of them got taken opening up Eifiert. Instead, at the time, we got Pugh. I am happy with him and he has done well for his rookie year.

Rounds 2-5 like I said. Under Ross, those rounds have a lot of swing and misses. Factor in project picks, and injuries and we have issues with talent.

You say Rounds 2-5 but you don't actually mean round 2, we've done well in round two and do about average in rounds 3-5. It's just impossible to stay stacked forever, especially with how fast roster turnover happens in the NFL, so we're now nearing the bottom of what was an eventual collapse in talent because the JR's couldn't hit homeruns in every single draft.

You say Rounds 2-5 but you don't actually mean round 2, we've done well in round two and do about average in rounds 3-5. It's just impossible to stay stacked forever, especially with how fast roster turnover happens in the NFL, so we're now nearing the bottom of what was an eventual collapse in talent because the JR's couldn't hit homeruns in every single draft.

Since 2008 which was Ross's first draft, I am saying those rounds have been poorly drafted. 2013 and 12 class isn't copying and pasting.. We hit on our DTs which have been good. R.R. has potential but is a work in progress. I do believe the other rounds have hurt us.

Beatty, Randle, Joseph, big hank and TT with Austin and Sintin as the two busts is a good 2nd round resume.

Beatty I am not thrilled with. RR is inconsistent but has talent. 2 DTs I like a lot. That second round is just one round. Look at the other rounds where we whiffed. All of it as one big picture has contributed to where we are now.

Beatty I am not thrilled with. RR is inconsistent but has talent. 2 DTs I like a lot. That second round is just one round. Look at the other rounds where we whiffed. All of it as one big picture has contributed to where we are now.

Why? Why make an arbitrary distinction between first and second round picks and not between 2nd and 5th round picks? Your first two rounds are where a GM makes their name, they build up their team there and need to hit. The third is where good GMs find projects and hidden gems that you expect to contribute, beyond that it's a crapshoot where you're just hoping for contributers. We've hit on almost all of our first and second round picks. It's just time for this team to cut the deadweight and restock.

Why? Why make an arbitrary distinction between first and second round picks and not between 2nd and 5th round picks? Your first two rounds are where a GM makes their name, they build up their team there and need to hit. The third is where good GMs find projects and hidden gems that you expect to contribute, beyond that it's a crapshoot where you're just hoping for contributers. We've hit on almost all of our first and second round picks. It's just time for this team to cut the deadweight and restock.

Your scouts and GM make their name on rounds 2-5. That's where you uncover the gems. The first rounders are players that are deemed very good. But even Reese has said you makeyour money from rounds 2-5. I was taught that by old man Garrett when I interviewed with him. For bad teams its a crap shoot but for teams with good scouts, Director of scouting and GM , they taught me its an educated guess. I got to talk to Thomas Dimetroff about this too during OTAs.

Rounds 2-5 are the rounds you need to hit on. If you can do this better than the other teams and can be consistent you will do well. I learned that from being in the business and carried it with me. Rounds 2- 5 are the ones I like the most and pay special attention to.

I think one of our problems is that Reese and Coughlin are not on the same page as far as the style of players and priorities (just look at how Jacksonville drafted for the Oline, Dline and LBs between 1994 and 2002)

I think one of our problems is that Reese and Coughlin are not on the same page as far as the style of players and priorities (just look at how Jacksonville drafted for the Oline, Dline and LBs between 1994 and 2002)

Well we should remember Reese inherited Coughlin AND Eli . I am waiting to evaluate Reese when he has to pick a new franchise QB and HC. I want to see if he can do that and hit on both.