Your readers may be interested to know that the 15-minute presentation GAME OF THRONES ICE AND FIRE: A FORESHADOWING will debut SUNDAY, FEB. 9 at 8:45 p.m. (ET/PT), exclusively on HBO, just before the debut of a new episode of “True Detective.” Offering a look back and a look forward to the fourth season of the hit HBO series, the show features clips from upcoming episodes, behind-the-scenes-footage, interviews with talent, and cast members’ answers to questions posed by fans.

Hear Me Roar: Nice! This should be a good one. They did a couple of such pre-season reviews&previews before, and I definitely expect a packed 15 minutes of treats a little over two weeks from now (and a lot of screen capping for the guys to do that night – I will be asleep here in Europe and enjoy the fruits of their labour in the morning, hehe). Mark the date and the time in your calendars! I wonder where they collected those fan questions from, by the way.

Man I want to see that but im guessing there going to change it up. The way they are changing up Shae. She is going to betray Tyrion for jealousy. I bet this part of the story might have quite a bit of change.

They always make me so much more optimistic for the show… I convince myself everything will be perfect, eyeballs deep in denial. The actual season usually makes me really upset, but for now I can hope and wish my book-purist days away.

I hope Shae’s betrayal is a combination of jealousy, and what I hope they do, that she was already working as a plant for Tywin from the first time she was introduced. We’ve seen her fall in love with Tyrion, and this would leave that believable and keep her betrayal so too.

It would be funny after a half of season of the Hound and Arya murderin’ their way through Westeros, she is alone with her sword on a mountaintop and makes G.I. Joe battle-style noises. Someone catches her, and that’s why she looks towards the camera. It would be in character, and remind us she’s a little kid.

Man I want to see that but im guessing there going to change it up. The way they are changing up Shae. She is going to betray Tyrion for jealousy. I bet this part of the story might have quite a bit of change.

I think the ultimate end of that character will be held pretty much the same. Getting to that point – Shae’s motivation being more based on jealousy and resentment than a calculated betrayal for gold – will be what gets altered.

I don’t think Ygritte will be killed as in the book. Its rather impersonal (which I like) but I think D&D may go a different route. Same outcome for the character, but in a different, more dramatic, way.

I don’t think Ygritte will be killed as in the book.Its rather impersonal (which I like) but I think D&D may go a different route.Same outcome for the character, but in a different, more dramatic, way.

Agreed – I like the book approach as it was sort of just dropped on us as readers unexpectedly and for the character involved as well. However, I could certainly see D&D taking a more dramatic approach. what about the verrrrry end of Clash (you know what I’m sayin) – same or completely different? (sorry – in weird location and can’t get my spoiler tags to work)

I agree. I think Jon will unknowingly attack her with his sword (maybe even from behind) as she is about to kill Sam during the southern CB incursion. Only after removing her headcover does Jon realize who he has killed (or maybe she isn’t quite dead yet). Absolutely devastating.

I hope Shae’s betrayal is a combination of jealousy, and what I hope they do, that she was already working as a plant for Tywin from the first time she was introduced. We’ve seen her fall in love with Tyrion, and this would leave that believable and keep her betrayal so too.

That’s fucking interesting, man. I think Bronn would have to be in on it as well, because he’s already told Tyrin where he found her… and I’m not sure Tywin would go through all the trouble, unless he knew Tyrion would disobey him and “take that whore to court” anyway.

I think it likely to happen as in the books… Shae testifies against both Tyrion and Sansa, and the next we see her is when Tyrion finds his way to the tower of the hand….

And yes, jealousy will likely play a role in building to that thoughout the season…

Hodor’s Bastard: I agree. I think Jon will unknowingly attack her with his sword (maybe even from behind) as she is about to kill Sam during the southern CB incursion. Only after removing her headcover does Jon realize who he has killed (or maybe she isn’t quite dead yet). Absolutely devastating.

Heavy. Nice image… that would help develop the coming material for both survivors…

Even if it was done like the books, but by him, it would be good. You shoot me with a bow, I shoot you. Too bad I shoot to kill. Of course he would do it thinking, “Oh that’s just another wildling, cause she’ll have her hood on or something and then her hair will fly out, kissed by fire, as she falls.

I also think that the shot where we see Melisandre looking into flames in the trailer is her watching Ygritte’s corpse upon a pyre. Though they cut them together as though its in the same series of shots as the big Dragonstone burning, her background is Castle Black. (As per Abyss’s gif http://i.minus.com/ihsHYFkJoEzzY.gif0 I think that’s how ep. 10 will open btw. She’ll see Jonny Boy tearfully burning her and watch and say, “Hmmm” then call him up for an audience with the king who cared.

I’d rather see her captured by Jon, and just when they have a touching moment- BAM! Stannis very out of the blue non-chalantly kills her. . Seruiously though, I think her death could be used to set up some foreshadowing of the assassination attempt on Jon’s life later. For instance, Ygriitte is captured and is being gang-raped and Jon tries to stop it, and fails, but is still thought less by some of the Watch for showing weakness to a Wlidling bitch.

Even if it was done like the books, but by him, it would be good. You shoot me with a bow, I shoot you. Too bad I shoot to kill. Of course he would do it thinking, “Oh that’s just another wildling, cause she’ll have her hood on or something and then her hair will fly out, kissed by fire, as she falls.

I also think that the shot where we see Melisandre looking into flames in the trailer is her watching Ygritte’s corpse upon a pyre. Though they cut them together as though its in the same series of shots as the big Dragonstone burning, her background is Castle Black. (As per Abyss’s gif http://i.minus.com/ihsHYFkJoEzzY.gif0 I think that’s how ep. 10 will open btw. She’ll see Jonny Boy tearfully burning her and watch and say, “Hmmm” then call him up for an audience with the king who cared.

While I`m speculating based on Abyss`s trailer gifs, with what we now know from the On the Set feature`s shot of Stannis and Daovs with Mr. Nestoris, this could very well be the two men looking upon the Titan of Braavos.

Not sure about the whole gang rape thing. I don’t think Stannis would condone that… and it’s not like she’s being held on the fuckin Pegasus. Still, there must be conflict with Slynt and co… and having her survive awhile… that conflict could be handled through her treatment as prisoner. With an eventual burning. I dunno. I’d rather see Melisandre burn somebody else…. All the “weakness” Jon shows to the Watch in his approach to dealing with the wildlings has plenty of room and time to develop

Carrot top would be funny though. The show only gets one or two comic relief moments a season…

Thank you. I think this twist would save the Shea storyline, which has been one of the weaker ones. But like the Lannister Honeypot theory which was going to make the Talisa-Robb meet-cute more interesting, it may be something they left the possibility open for and don’t use.

I’d rather see her captured by Jon, and just when they have a touching moment-BAM!Stannis very out of the blue non-chalantly kills her..Seruiously though, I think her death could be used to set up some foreshadowingof the assassination attempt on Jon’s life later.For instance, Ygriitte is captured and is being gang-raped and Jon tries to stop it, and fails, but is still thought less by some of the Watch for showing weakness to a Wlidling bitch.

When did “the fans” ever pose questions to the cast and crew? There was no official Q&A submission process. They’ll be prescripted instead of a screened Q&A. What I’d like is some sort of Q&A submission that Cat Taylor filters out good ones from.

I hope Bronn isnt part of it, but that is something that could of even been even in the books. Im listening to the audio books again right now and just passed the chapter where Bronn goes to Tyrions cell. he has some lines where he says that he pretty much is taking the highest bidder but he hopes Tyrion wins. There relationship has always been one of my Favorites. They were always truthful to each other and seem to always had great admiration for each other.
Bronn..what will you do imp
Tyrion…kill Gregor myself. Wont that make for a jolly song.
Bronn…I hope I hear them sing it.
Bronn grinned one last time and walked out of the door the castle and his life
Pod…Im sorry
Tyion….Why? is it your fault tht Bronns an insolent blackhearted rogue. Hes always been an insolent blackhearted rogue. Thats what i like about him.

A few other scenes I cannot wait for is the scene were
Jamie unloads onto Tywin after Tywin tries to tell him that he will mary and take Castley but Jamie refuses.
I always cant wait for Dany to exile Jorah. I wonder how this will play out since Dany already knows the old man is Barastan. I always liked Jorah and wished Dany would of kept him. There are possabilities that This doesnt happen for a while.

I’m sitting here re-watching season 3 on HBO. After watching a few episodes, I feel like making a few predictions for season 4. As I’ve said for awhile, Shae will not betray Tyrion. And Queen Magarey will get the cred for the PW. And Brienne will remain in King’s Landing this season to ‘train’ Jaime in place of Sir Payne.

When Queen Margery asked Joff if he’d like to see her kill something. Joff’s fate was sealed. Queen Marg will get the credit on the show. The storyline from the book will never happen. Queen Marg will murder Joff and set up Tyrion. Great television. .

Yay! Can’t wait! Someone on an earlier thread who checks the HBO schedule mentioned this a while back (sorry–can’t remember who) so it was already on my calendar, but great to have confirmation.
Regarding Shea: I think it will go down substantially as it did in the books. D&D and the actors involved know to put some doubt into the possible motivations of the characters involved; it is essential to the story to maintain the uncertainty of motivation for everyone’s choices. GRRM always plays with the tropes, including conspiracy theories. Tywin is not omniscient, Bronn is in everything only for himself, and Shea is a survivor above all. Tyrion appears to be a lost cause, and she simply chooses what experience has taught her is the best path for her own survival. If her storyline–both book and show, despite their differences–demonstrates anything to Shea, it is that she must take care of herself and cannot afford to be sentimental. Happy endings are not the norm and sentiment can get you killed in her world. GRRM loves to leave the reader/watcher with the “if only” feeling. D&D have certainly adhered to that.
Please, no more rapes…

Just something I noticed about the staging of Tyrion’s trial. I noticed the same pink-clad extra in the background of both of their shots, as well as the same brazier with fire in it. This indicates to me that Tyrion is looking at Cersei and in the other shot, she is looking away from him. Here.

Not the biggest find, but I’m trying to glean what I can from these ontheset screencaps.

I don’t see why the show would give Marg the credit. I really hope they don’t do that. They included the scene where Sansa confesses to Olenna that Joffrey is a monster so she has her motivation because she doesn’t want her Grand-daughter married to a monster.

As for Brienne she definitely won’t stay in King’s Landing all season as Gwendoline has been spotted filming with Pod in Iceland so she’ll be out on the road for at least a few eps.

Having rewatched it several times I’m convinced that these cuts in the vine video will not be the cuts in the show. The editing as presented in this gif, does make her moves look more like a dance routine (though of course Syrio did teach it as a dance.) This is probably all or some of the Arya coverage in a particular scene, with other shots showing other things meant to be in between. The only cut that it likely to be in the show is the last one of her turning, those two shots flow well together and that’s why they’ve put em in the real trailer.

Joff’s fate was sealed. Queen Marg will get the credit on the show. The storyline from the book will never happen. Queen Marg will murder Joff and set up Tyrion. Great television. .

I’m not sure about this, but if we go with the Marg/Garlan and Loras/Willas amalgams on the show that would even make sense, as there is quite some suspicion that in the books it was Garlan who actually was the poisoner. Grandma can still be the brains behind it all I guess.

Something maybe related, I don’t know but I found it really strange that Bronn’s actor chose Margaery of all people, when asked in an interview which character he would kill if he could, because she is nasty and creeps him out or something like that.

Personally I hope show Shae survives, I love the actor Sibell playing her and she works so well with Peter. My thoughts is her demise is not essential to Tyrion’s overall arc, therefore I can easily see Vary’s persuading her to join forces with him to help in the imps escape. She takes the place of the what’s her name (unimportant dwarf) oh Penny, who definitely isn’t necessary for Tyrion’s arc. I have heard the rumors here and on other boards that both Rose and Sibell want their characters continued, unless D&D decide to merge Ygritte with Val (no actor has been announced) I can see Shae merging with Penny though, perhaps at Joff’s wedding Shae becomes entertainment.

Shae needs to die. Hopefully they will manage to do it like the book. I know Sibel makes an awesome, albeit very different, Shae but it really does need to happen to put Tyrion in his ADWD mentality. And sending them off to Essos together would kill that entirely. She can not replace Penny, and she can not stay with Tyrion. Penny needs to get cut- Jorah is enough of a good influence on Tyrion (in helping him find his morality again) and I honestly don’t see a way where Penny can stay. I can’t wait for the Jorah-Tyrion relationship- going from abusive to sentimental.

If we are on the subject of Tyrion and Shae’s betrayal, here’s my take on it. Tywin will demand from Shae that she play the comedy at Tyrion’s trial, either because he threatens her or because he strikes a deal with her so that Tyrion will be allowed to go at the Wall. I don’t know the specifics, cause I have pain to imagine Tywin seducing Shae, or anyone for the matter, but Shae will betray Tyrion (and sleep with Tywin) to save him from certain death. And Tyrion won’t know that.

Shae will definitely die, Tyrion’s story line has no place for her, but they could replace Val with Ygritte. Why hire a new actress when you already have a good actress that has experience playing a wildling?

I’m just a David Lean admirer. Watched it on Blu just recently to commemorate St Peter O Toole. Fantastic translation. As for the other thing who needs the Spanish Inquisition when I have the Qizorate at my beck and call? With the exception of traito Korba of course.

Shae needs to die. Hopefully they will manage to do it like the book. I know Sibel makes an awesome, albeit very different, Shae but it really does need to happen to put Tyrion in his ADWD mentality. And sending them off to Essos together would kill that entirely. She can not replace Penny, and she can not stay with Tyrion. Penny needs to get cut- Jorah is enough of a good influence on Tyrion (in helping him find his morality again) and I honestly don’t see a way where Penny can stay. I can’t wait for the Jorah-Tyrion relationship- going from abusive to sentimental.

Agreed. I don’t know why so many think Shae won’t testify against Tyrion. As an aside, I’m against calling it betrayal because she wasn’t in a position to refuse to testify or stand up for Tyrion. What would Cersei have done to her if she didn’t comply? I always took it as a given that Shae was threatened.Anyways, yes it is crucial for Tyrion’s downward spiral. They made Shae more likable in the show so her “betrayal” would be all the more shocking.

It won’t be all new material though. They say “a look back” as well as forward, which is a very careful way of saying that they will feature a bunch recap stuff. I hope we at least get to hear Mace and Styr speak, now that we know what they look like.

I’ve always admired actor O’Toole’s work, from the heights of his career, and recent. Amazing that he performed a pivotal role in one of my favourite Pixar productions,” Ratatouille “. He was the French cuisine critic, Anton Ego. He and Richard Harris were two from my very short list, that I’d give pause to.

As for the death commandos, I suppose all considerations are relevant when war threatens just cause. For my own safety, I utilize the Holtzman technique, the effects are….blurring (:

Spanish Inquisition indeed ! Would you wager that Mr ( Virginia governor ) McDonnell would think the same, of his current predicament ? LOL ! I suppose he’ll contact Jaime Lannister-Dimon, for a loan to pay legal fees. *>*

9 Feb is about right for a longer segment of Game of Thrones. Last year in January, the wait had become unbearable. Then we got those full page adverts in the New York Times, et.al. Season 4 is definitely a heightened season with crucial elements. For the first time I’m really anxious about the show. So much……. goings on.

adieu and good tidings all GoT fans at WiC…….back to Bookwaves, KPFA_ Berkeley *>*

Spanish Inquisition indeed ! Would you wager that Mr ( Virginia governor ) McDonnell would think the same, of his current predicament ?LOL ! I suppose he’ll contact Jaime Lannister-Dimon, for a loan to pay legal fees.*>*

Since I currently reside in VA, you touched on a sore subject indeed. Both VA and NJ are trying hard to catch up to Illinois in the para-ethical Olympiad! I think McDonnell has previously made several deals with the Iron Bank of Braavos and now they are coming to collect their debt.

Ahhh well thanks :) Ya I should prolly do that, I checked it out a couple weeks back, seems like a friendly joint. It’s just sooo much effort (joking, but im kinda lazy). Naaah,
I’ll get over there… And thank you again!

That came out in September, I think but I don’t remember anyone having noticed that it said Selmy scroll for Jorah. Do you think that the numbers written before the scene descriptions are which episode they take place in?

Maybe, but that sentence makes absolutely no grammatical sense. It would probably have been Selmy finds Jorah’s scroll, or just Selmy finds scroll. Selmy scroll for Jorah? Unless he’s scrolling down Jorah’s page on Facebook, it makes no sense.

I get that, but it’s not just a small mistake. They could have said so many things with less words that wouldn’t be completely incorrect. Do you honestly think they used “scroll” as a verb? Makes no sense at all, as much as I like the idea.

This might open him up as a casting option again, if anyone here’s a fan.

He praised it before a long time ago, some time before his ‘joke’ with Kevin McKidd (I’d welcome both actors onto the show, especially McKidd, who would be my Connington.) Purefoy could probably make a good Euron, though I’d like to see one of the Mikkelson brothers as him.

That’s just wrong. They typically don’t need to explain anything in whiteboards, so the whole “is meant for Jorah” bit is completely unnecessary. It makes no sense. “Selmy finds Scroll” would suffice and would be shorter. Also, I think the word could just as easily be “send” and not “scroll”, which would make sense completely. The picture is too blurry to assume that that word is “scroll”.

Sure Wildseed sweetie! Comment from Tenesmus was “I think we will see many deaths this season”. I replied that there is no room in the Stark crypt, because too many of us have died last season. True, the kids are left, but the Army of the North is destroyed, i.e. we can’t afford to lose anymore Starks, this season or any to come. :smile: