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Thursday, November 25, 2010

Judge Napolitano Joins the Circus

I've had the feeling that this guy was a clown ever since he introduced "the great Alex Jones" on a Fox program; this just confirms it.

'Russian President Vladimir Putin has said publicly that he ordered his intelligence agencies to alert the United States last summer that suicide pilots were training for attacks on U.S. targets'.

So, other than the fact we're taking Vlad's word on this, this information was passed on 'last summer' (i.e. at some point in mid-2001 when the plot was well advanced, and the hijackers already in the States). The report also refers to 'attacks on US targets', which for those of us who aren't retards is not necessarily the same as 'attacks on the USA'.

Incidentally, Brian, does all of this now mean you don't believe in CD 'theories' anymore? Or are you just grasping at straws like all the other troofers are?

Ummm....The Russians, the Germans, the Italians, and a few other intelligence services warned about a strike on the US in 2001. It is in that silly 9/11 Commission report the troofers say is a white-wash.

The problem with these warnings is that they weren't specific, i.e.: Mohammed Atta and a four-man team plan to hijack plan to hijack AA 11 on the morning of September 11, 2001. He plans to fly it into the WTC. He is working with...

What to the troofers care anyway? It was an inside jobby job, right? Mohammed Atta was a CIA cut-out, right? WTC7 was rigged with pixy dust, I mean nanothermite,right?

From the troofer perspective, Putin and his FSB(KGB)must surely know that Chimpy Von Hitler and Big-Dick Cheney were secretly behind it all...right?

So Putin is in on it too.

I'm just following troofer logic here.

Wouldn't it make more sense to blackmail the Bush Administration? I must have missed that.

I am amused that the Russian intelligence has also failed to uncover "The Truth" about 9/11.

Napolitano stumbles upon a truth when he says that "20 years from now people will look at 911 the way we look at the assassination of JFK today." That's right. Today, nobody has been able to validate any of the JFK assassination conspiracy theories and the only people who have any doubts about the assassination are either woefully uninformed or raving conspiracy loons. Every serious examination of any issue involved has validated what the Warren Commission concluded, including the overwhelming probability of the truth of the so-called "single bullet theory." Not one shred of hard evidence of any conspiracy exists -- just wacked out theories based on the weakest of circumstantial evidence.

He's right, In 20 years, 911 conspiracy theories will be in the same place that JFK assassination conspiracy theories are today.

Brian and Cosmos come here to talk about CD because Jon Gold and others over at Troofaction don't like CD theories. For Jon, they are a major roadblock in converting people to the Church of Troof.

You see, Jon finds a mark, lays all his good stuff on him (warnings, Able Danger and so on) and then the mark comes back with 'that may be all very well, but then you guys go off into the la-la land of exploding buildings'. Thus, the mark is lost to the troof.

Also over at Troofaction, they seem to have recently discovered that David Ray Grifter is an idiot -- something we have been telling them for years. This must have come as a big blow to Brian.

Garry, I said Fox News reported that Vladimir Putin said he warned the US about suicide pilots training for attacks in the US. Thank you for pointing out that "U.S. targets" is not necessarily "in the USA".

Why would you think there was any contradiction between suicide pilots and controlled demolition? Why not both?

M. Gwegowy Fawwis, the Mossad warned of 19 terrorists inside the USA planning something big. They named names. Only four of the names have been released, but they include two alleged 9/11 pilots and two other alleged 9/11 hijackers, Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, who bought ten airline tickets for 9/11/01.

Ian, there is no contradiction between al Qaeda's wish to attack and the destruction of the WTC with thermite. I own a car AND a bicycle, and sometimes I take the bus even so. I have no need for a theory. It is sufficient to show that the official theories have not been proven and that the official investigations have been inadequate.

Why would you think there was any contradiction between suicide pilots and controlled demolition? Why not both?

Ah yes, the villains needlessly complicating things (was it bin Laden who planted the explosives?). Brian, I know you have no grasp of reality, but life is not a crappy Michael Bay movie, OK?

M. Gwegowy Fawwis, the Mossad warned of 19 terrorists inside the USA planning something big. They named names. Only four of the names have been released, but they include two alleged 9/11 pilots and two other alleged 9/11 hijackers, Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, who bought ten airline tickets for 9/11/01.

Hmm, sounds to me like it might have been al Qaeda, and not Dick Cheney, who destroyed the WTC.

Ian, there is no contradiction between al Qaeda's wish to attack and the destruction of the WTC with thermite.

So al Qaeda used thermite to destroy the buildings? Why bother with the needless complication of hijacking and flying airplanes into the buildings then?

I own a car AND a bicycle, and sometimes I take the bus even so.

I own a parakeet and a guinea pig and sometimes I like to pet my stepmother's cat. Brian, please try to make sense with your analogies, OK?

I have no need for a theory.

Of course not, since you'd actually have to make sense if you did try to put one together. Babbling about nothing is much more your style.

It is sufficient to show that the official theories have not been proven and that the official investigations have been inadequate.

What is sufficient? Brian, you haven't presented a shred of evidence as to why the the official investigations are inadequate. Sorry.

"It is sufficient to show that the official theories have not been proven and that the official investigations have been inadequate."

Okay, but then you wrote this:

"

M. Gwegowy Fawwis, the Mossad warned of 19 terrorists inside the USA planning something big. They named names. Only four of the names have been released, but they include two alleged 9/11 pilots and two other alleged 9/11 hijackers, Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, who bought ten airline tickets for 9/11/01."

Which is what the 9/11 Commssion says. They don't name the intelligance agencies but it was public knowledge within four days after the attacks that many countries had warned of some kind of pending attack.

So you argument is that the 9/11 Commission Report is correct - excepted when you don't want it to be.

M Greg, if you have information that the 9/11 Commission revealed that the Mossad gave the alleged hijackers' names before 9/11, I'd like to see it. The information I have to that effect is completely independent of the corrupt 9/11 Commission report.

Ian, I have many times explained in this forum why airplanes were necessary to the terrorism.

M Greg, if you have information that the 9/11 Commission revealed that the Mossad gave the alleged hijackers' names before 9/11, I'd like to see it. The information I have to that effect is completely independent of the corrupt 9/11 Commission report.

Nobody cares, Brian.

Ian, I have many times explained in this forum why airplanes were necessary to the terrorism.

No need to explain, Brian. The airplanes were necessary to a) make the buildings collapse, since they weren't going to do so by themselves, and b) kill lots of people. It's not rocket science.

Ian, airplanes were not necessary ti make the buildings collapse. Thermite alone could have done that, and the symmetry of collapse, totality of collapse, speed of collapse, presence of molten iron in the rubble, and presence of thermitic materials in the dust suggests that it did.

Thermite alone could have done that, and the symmetry of collapse, totality of collapse, speed of collapse, presence of molten iron in the rubble, and presence of thermitic materials in the dust suggests that it did.

Wait, I thought you said you had no theories about what happened on 9/11? Now you're babbling nonsense about magic thermite elves again? Jesus, Brian, seek professional help.

Yes, the Russians warned us. "Hey guys, the CIA is planning a false-flag attack where they will fly some planes into the WTC, shoot a missile into the Pentagon and blow up a hole in Pennsylvania. But you obviously already know about it because you've painted superdupernanothermite on the steel beams, so never mind!"

Pat's crack makes no sense. Is he denying that Putin warned of suicide pilots training to attack US targets?

Brian, I know you're dumb, but I didn't think I'd have to spell it out. Let me ask you this: if the Bush administration was responsible for the attack (which is what you and most other "truthers" believe), what were the Russians warning us about? It would be rather pointless to warn us that we're going to attack ourselves, huh?

What you're missing is that we don't have enough information to know if what Mr. Putin allegedly warned of was the same bunch of suicide pilots that allegedly did 9/11.

You're also failing to recognize that an examination of the facts leaves us with much reason to suspect that there was considerably more involved on 9/11 than four suicide pilots and their muscle guys.

What you're missing is that we don't have enough information to know if what Mr. Putin allegedly warned of was the same bunch of suicide pilots that allegedly did 9/11.

Yes, I'm sure Russia was warning us about those other suicide hijackers. You know, the ones working with Dick Cheney's magic thermite elves.

You're also failing to recognize that an examination of the facts leaves us with much reason to suspect that there was considerably more involved on 9/11 than four suicide pilots and their muscle guys.

Yes, there was a lot more involved back at al Qaeda's operational headquarters in Kandahar. The evidence does strongly suggest this. Good job, Brian!

Ian, of what possible use was Kandahar except possibly to provide money? (Since the 9/11 Commission refused to examine the question of the alleged hijackers' source of funds, we don't even know that al Qaeda did that.) Where is this vast conspiracy? It's very simply really. 19 guys (or maybe as many of 30--it could be that a couple of targeted planes never got off the ground) take over airplanes and fly them into buildings. Why did they need Kandahar--to steer the planes for them by satellite phone?

The whole plot was lunacy. They bought plane tickets under their own names, the same names given by the Mossad to the CIA. How did they know there would be no air defense?

They only needed Kandahar to negotiate with the CIA, which apparently they did very well, since 6000 of those accused of being in League with the hijackers were allowed to fly or walk out of Afghanistan into Pakistan.

The whole plot was lunacy. They bought plane tickets under their own names, the same names given by the Mossad to the CIA. How did they know there would be no air defense?

Brian, there were no planes. The towers were brought down by micro-nukes planted by modified attack baboons. The fact that you have not offered one shred of evidence to refute this claim ensures me that I'm on the right track.

They only needed Kandahar to negotiate with the CIA, which apparently they did very well, since 6000 of those accused of being in League with the hijackers were allowed to fly or walk out of Afghanistan into Pakistan.

Kandahar was Al Qaeda's central base of operations because it has reliable electricity, access to roads, airport, communications, and they had protection from the Pakistani Intellignece.

Their bases in Afghanistan were for training their operatives for missions. The roads in Afghanistan are questionable on a good day, phone communications are tricky even with Sat-phones, and power comes from portable generators. Most of AQ's leadership are wealthy twits who don't like roughing it - hence Kandahar.

The 9/11 Commission didn't look into AQ's funding because that wasn't their mandate. Their job was to look into how the various government agencies missed the clues, and then make recommendations for changes.

The problem with your assertion that Mossad gave names to the CIA is that Mossad would have also given the names to the FBI as well. They would have done this because they know that the CIA does not operate inside of the continental U.S., but the FBI does. We already had most of the hijacker's names but we didn't put two and two together. Some of that was CIA/FBI turf-war stuff, but some of it was just failures in how business was done before 9/11/2001.

M Greg your characterization of the Commission's mandate as limited is based on what? According to the preface to the report "Our mandate was sweeping. The law directed us to investigate 'facts and circumstances relating to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001'."

This included "the flow of assets to terrorist organizations, commercial aviation, the role of congressional oversight and resource allocation." The chairmen wrote: "Our aim has been to provide the fullest possible account of the events surrounding 9/11 and to identify lessons learned."

The alleged hijackers source of funds is certainly of interest with respect to this mandate.

If the CIA was not interested in domestic stuff, how come they wrote a memo warning "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US"?