Nikon 1 J5 mirrorless camera rumored to have 4k video

The upcoming Nikon 1 J5 mirrorless camera is rumored to have 4k video recording capabilities. If true, this will be the first Nikon camera with 4k video. The official announcement is expected in the next few weeks.

This gives a small glimmer of hope that the new D7200/D9000/D400/D350 may have 4K video. It will be curious to see how it is implemented in the J5, if this is the case.

MonkeySpanner

I would not hold out hope for this. Nikon is fazing out DX and holding back features for a new aps-c MILC.

Michiel953

Phasing out DX yes, except for the most basic consumer models I think. MILC hopefully only in full frame and 1″.

MonkeySpanner

I think they may take the opposite approach. Phase in MILC in the lower end consumer bodies (D3x00, D5x00) then eventually fill in the rest of DX with MILCs. It makes sense to start MILCs with the low end DX bodies because the target customers care more about the things that MILC can give you than the high end customers.

Piotr Kosewski

Unlikely. MILC bodies are expensive.
Good EVF and sensor with PDAF adds many dollars. 🙂
D5300 could become something like E-M10, so no PDAF and mediocre EVF.
D7100 costs as much as the M5 (not M5II). Good EVF, sealing and many features. M5 has no PDAF, but I don’t think this is a cost issue (I bet Sony simply doesn’t want to sell them sensors with PDAF).

So mid class MILC are possible. MILC replacement for D3300 would have to look like the EOS M. I don’t think many DSLR users want that. 😀

MonkeySpanner

Sony is able to sell the A5000 and A6000 at prices near the D3x00 bodies. I don’t see why Nikon could not do the same. I would bet it is more that Sony does not want to sell Nikon the good sensors (with OSPDAF) for a MILC that would take away market from them.

Piotr Kosewski

Based on how Sony’s camera division financial results look, they might even give these bodies away for free some day.

Olympus is (occasionally) making a profit and is more “connected” to their camera business, so their pricing should be more sensible.

MonkeySpanner

Now we venture into the murky water of reading the tea leaves of financial reports and trying to say something intelligent about them.

Piotr Kosewski

OK, so lets ignore the results (I’m a financial analyst, so I quite like looking at these charts :)).

A little bit of theory:
Camera business is a very good “representative” product. Even if photography is not very important for a company it will be one of the most advertised.
It is also a very good R&D environment and testing ground.
(Both facts most visible for Samsung and Panasonic.)

This is why companies will generally lower the prices of cameras if they can. Sony can. Panasonic can. Samsung really can.
Nikon can’t. Nikon will always be more expensive then the others. Not because they make things better (they don’t), but because they can’t afford a loss on this segment.

MonkeySpanner

Well – sorry for Nikon – but I am not into corporate charity. I spend my money the best way I can. I buy the product that gives me the most value – not the product that gives the corporation the most value.

dredlew

Don’t think you understood what he was trying to say; all these other companies have various other products and technologies/patents that they make money with. So they can afford to lose out on profit for cameras or even sell for a loss, so called loss-leaders. Much like Amazon’s books. It’s all about getting you attached to the brand and suck you into their ecosystem of other products.

Nikon can’t do that because cameras is their main business. They have to make money with them to survive. And they’re not doing all that well, really. Who knows, at some point Nikon may actually have to stop making cameras/lenses and sell their IP instead to these other guys that can survive in a cut-throat market like this.

And sure, you can vote with your money where you get the most for it but basically implying that Nikon is greedy, just doesn’t quite work that way.

MonkeySpanner

I wasn’t implying Nikon is greedy. Just saying that I am a consumer and have no control over what company can/cannot afford to sell cameras at what price. Therefore, I can only spend money on things the most effective way I can. I actually own all Nikon equipment (with the exception of an EOS-M that Canon decided to give away before Christmas). I am just saying that I don’t “feel sorry” for a company and agree to pay more for their product just because it is a certain brand.

Piotr Kosewski

Of course you do. We all do.
But you must remember “best value” is more than just features / price. Some people buy N because they already have glass. Some because they want a DSLR with Sony IQ. Some because they choose a system for 10+ years and Nikon F and Canon EF seem the safest (even if both move to MILC).
Pff… even if someone feels better with a Nikon logo, it will increase the relative value of N cameras. 🙂

MonkeySpanner

Totally agree I consider all those things. Those things go into the value calculation. As I have said before. The only think I don’t consider is which company needs my money more than another – I could care less about that. And that is my point.

Andrew

Now, every educated person knows that Nikon makes better cameras than Samsung and Panasonic 😉 Well, maybe not “every” since you no doubt – think differently. In fact, these two companies are not even within my top three pics for the top camera
manufacturer.

Thom Hogan

Camera advertising is way, way, way, way down the Advertising Age category list.

Andrew

That does not appear to be good news. How can Nikon expand its camera sales if they cut back on advertising? They definitely do not need any type of money wasting branding type of advertisements. They should get into some type of direct response advertising. Something like “Buy your Nikon camera now with a low monthly payment of only $49.95 and take memorable pictures of your family, friends, and yourself that will last a lifetime” 😉

Thom Hogan

Advertising is really tricky. But I think most camera dealers in the US would say that the real problem right now is that NikonUSA has backed off the coop program that was pulling customers into the stores. If the customer doesn’t come into the store, the store doesn’t sell anything.

At some point, if you back away from helping your sales channel too much, you might as well just go to a direct sales approach. However, we’ve all seen how well Nikon is in handling customer interactions ;~).

Rock, meet hard place.

Thom Hogan

I’d also point out that a lot of Nikon’s recent advertising seems pointed at the millennials, and towards shooting video at that, but without really the product that would be optimal for that target.

Round peg, meet square hole.

Thom Hogan

Then Nikon is just phasing out ;~). I’ll repeat: at a time when you’re already 1m cameras in the hole for a year, you don’t screw with the product that brings you the most volume/profit. You’re suggesting that Nikon is, and intentionally so. I don’t think so.

Kyle

I don’t see any indication they are phasing out DX any tine in the near future. They may begin to take it through some evolution in the near future, but there’s a lot to be said for the “value” play in the DX sensor size I believe.
Not every hobbyist can afford FX (unless they move FX into the $1,000 range – which may be coming in the future if smartphone sales continue to erode compact cameras and such)

MonkeySpanner

I don’t mean they will get rid of the aps-c sensored product. I just mean they will phase out the DX (aps-c sensor with F-mount flippy mirror) arrangement. I fully expect to see an aps-c mirrorless from them soon.

Andrew

In fact, I see smartphone impact only on the compact camera market. These Nikon DX interchangeable lens cameras not only have a significant low light performance advantage over smartphones, their zoom capability is a significant advantage.

People have a tendency to make hasty generalizations. Financial prognosticators/analysts and journalists made the same predictions with regards to standalone gaming consoles saying that gaming on smartphones and online gaming will do away with dedicated gaming consoles. Well, we saw what happened with that prediction. I am one of over 19 million people who have purchased the Sony PlayStation 4 in the past 1 year and 3 months.

Kyle

I agree with that on the smartphones impacting the compact camera market. It’s something Thom Hogan alludes to a lot on his site. I’m not an analyst or anything. But rather a proponent for what I want to see from Nikon. LOL
I’m primarily a video shooter who does photography as a hobby. But, I’ve invested a lot in Nikon lenses… and I do like their DSLR bodies. I’d rather not have to switch to Panasonic for 4K in the GH4 kind of thing.
I’d much rather see Nikon do a 4K play well so that I can keep on trucking with all my gear and not have to swap it all out.

Kyle

I agree with that on the smartphones impacting the compact camera market. It’s something Thom Hogan alludes to a lot on his site. I’m not an analyst or anything. But rather a proponent for what I want to see from Nikon. LOL
I’m primarily a video shooter who does photography as a hobby. But, I’ve invested a lot in Nikon lenses… and I do like their DSLR bodies. I’d rather not have to switch to Panasonic for 4K in the GH4 kind of thing.
I’d much rather see Nikon do a 4K play well so that I can keep on trucking with all my gear and not have to swap it all out.

Spy Black

I think the D5 would be the primary candidate for this.

neonspark

Sony kicks ass on video. Even canon cannot keep up with Sony in the high end video market. So I’d be shocked if sony doesn’t push 4K on their sensors to give people a reason to upgrade over a standard point and shoot, compact or similar camera. Plus there is already quite a few affordable 4K cameras in the market and I think canon made a monumental mistake by not providing 4K in their 5Ds. I’m hoping Sony won’t make the same error.

Piotr Kosewski

Sony has little to do with 4K being available in Nikon cameras. Most sensors available today can output 4K (if they have the required resolution, obviously). But then you have to process it and that’s a very different matter.

It’s a bit like with the fps. If you ask politely the 24 MPx APS-C from Sony can most likely do 15 or 20 fps easily. But shutters can’t (let alone CPUs and buffers).

Kyle

The 5DMIII is coming later this year and the speculation is it will have 4K recording.
The 2 5D’s that Canon just released were intended to compete with the D810 for landscape and studio photography I believe.
Sony does do very well in video. Their a7s is a monster for HD video in a compact package with FX sensor.
Their AX100 has 4K with a 1″ sensor and is $1,698 (traditional camcorder form), and even the smaller AX22 for <$1,000 has 4K. ]
You've also got Panasonic with 3 or 4 4K cameras in the <$1,600 price range as well, both DSLR/compact/traditional camcorder formats.

MonkeySpanner

I am a fan of the idea of 1″ MILCs. But this sensor that Nikon is using starts to fall apart at any ISO over 800. This has to get better for 1″ systems to be taken seriously.

Andy Aungthwin

Did someone forget to tell you that Nikon makes other cameras that do great at ISO 800 and above?

The whole idea of the 1 system is to have fun but with decent image quality.

Small sensor = small body and small lenses.

It’s already a miracle that image quality holds up at ISO 800, so I don’t know what people are complaining about.

BlueBomberTurbo

Check out Sony’s RX100 series. Same size sensor, much better IQ. Canon even snagged it for one of their high end P&Ss, and it beats their crop sensor DSLRs. People expect the best IQ out of Nikon’s ILCs like always, and the 1 series doesn’t deliver. Its IQ hasn’t really improved in any meaningful way since launch.

guest

Yeah, when RX100s shoot 60 fps with same IQ we will talk.

MonkeySpanner

If RX100 shot 60fps with Nikon 1 IQ – it would suck.

BlueBomberTurbo

60fps is a luxury (maybe even a gimmick), not a necessity. Unless you think the 1 series is better than something like a D4s because it shoots faster…..

Eric Calabros

60fps not necessity reminds of people who were tolding us ISO 12800 is not necessary at all

BlueBomberTurbo

When the buffer can only hold 40 shots with 20 seconds to clear, its a gimmick. People endlessly complain about the D7100 because it can only hold about a second’s worth of shots in its buffer, and the V3’s buffer limits it to 2/3 of a second at 60fps. Not to mention the issues that using an electronic shutter creates…

Ken Elliott

On occasion, I’ve found the V1’s 60fps very handy. It’s a tool.

HotDuckZ

6.7-13, 18.5, 32 1.2, 30-110 with N1-CL1, 70-300

MonkeySpanner

Yes, there is no doubt that Nikon has done a decent job of filling in lenses for CX format (I wish they would do the same for DX). We are talking about how the sensor performance sucks.

HotDuckZ

Yes, agree about perfomance but please check the comment I reply.

MonkeySpanner

OK – I did. Not sure what you are trying to say. The IQ sucks – but it has lots of lenses?

Andy Aungthwin

The Sony does indeed look great.

But only Nikon has a 32mm f1.2 lens not to mention a bunch of other lenses.

I have a D800, a D600 and a V1. I can tell you that the V1 holds up well for what I want to use it for. And it ain’t to shoot at ISO 800 and above.

neonspark

fixed lens? go home.

MonkeySpanner

I think you missed the point. He wasn’t suggesting that the RX100 is a good replacement for a MILC system. Just was comparing IQ out of the sony 1″ sensor vs. the Nikon Aptina sourced sensor.

Very nice image – in spite of all the noise in the shadows. This isn’t a jab at you – I really do like this image.

MyrddinWilt

But the Aptiva sensor is designed for video and the Sony sensor is designed for stills.

MonkeySpanner

“Did someone forget to tell you that Nikon makes other cameras that do great at ISO 800 and above?”

Nope – didn’t have to – I own some of them.

“The whole idea of the 1 system is to have fun but with decent image quality.”

Exactly – and we argue till the cows come home about what “decent image quality” is.

“Small sensor = small body and small lenses.”

Exactly – which is why I said “I am a fan of the idea of 1″ MILCs”

“It’s already a miracle that image quality holds up at ISO 800, so I don’t know what people are complaining about.”
People are complaining because they have seen results from 1″ sensors from Sony and Samsung. Take a look around you might be surprised.

Andy Aungthwin

Those differences are meaningless in real life. What you see on a screen at 100% is not how it’s going to look in print. You do print, right?

They are not like the differences you get between an FX sensor and a 1″ sensor.

But the difference between a V3 with the 32mm @f1.2 and ANY other Sony and or Samsung also at 32mm are worlds apart.

You will see it on any monitor and any print at EVERY size.

People complain because they are complainers.

MonkeySpanner

No, I complain because I owned 2 N1 bodies and 4 lenses for over a year and tried hard to get the IQ I wanted out of the system. I am not a heavy cropper and I am pretty skilled in post – but still could never get out of the system what I wanted. My conclusion after shooting the system for over a year was that if a photographer is always shooting outside in good light – it is a great system for them. Anything else at lower light levels – forget about it.

Daniel Högberg

Ok, great, but i would like to see: a 35mm/f1.2 eq lens (of course not overpriced like the 18.5mm lens), the function to be able to turn screen totally off and/or to just see the screen without any info, its almost impossible to compose with all the clutter on the screen!

MonkeySpanner

OK – J4 has wifi right? Hope they don’t take it away for J5.

Jan H. Maaso

Not sure what a 35mm f1.2 lens would give that the 32mm f1.2 does not?

The 18.5mm is inexpensive at less than $200 and well worth the money.

D600 Owner

18.5*2.7=50mm

Peter

35mm equivalent means 13mm in Nikon 1 series…

Jan H. Maaso

Daniel, I missed the “eq” bit. I totally agree, a fast lens around 13mm would be awesome.

As for the 18.5mm, it is a bargain, not overpriced at all and one of the cheapest for the 1 system.

Michiel953

Jan, what’s wrong with your V1? Nothing… 😉

Jan H. Maaso

Hey Michiel! Long time no see.

Not too much wrong, I am still in love with my V1’s, was out shooting for a bit again yesterday.

Interesting but, nikon/sony should really put 4K on their upcoming rumored high MP sensor. Given how weak the 5Ds from canon is with video, not even reaching 1080p60 and let alone 4K, this could be a HUGE opportunity for nikon not only to retain it’s lead on DR (apparently the 5Ds is basically just a 7DmkII scaled up) but also on video since the 5Ds is so weak there.

MonkeySpanner

But why put 4K in a high MP sensor? Why not take the approach Sony did and make a very good 12MP sensor (all you need for 4K). I would like to see a very good high ISO sensor in a DX Nikon body that can shoot 4k (I am talking about a aps-c 12MP sensor).

manhattanboy

Why not just bring 4K video to all the current cameras with a firmware update? Maybe this ties to that firmware upgrade program the Admin has previously mentioned.

neonspark

I doubt this is possible. Even the hackers at magic lantern couldn’t do this because of bus, bandwidth, processing and sensor capability limitations.
Plus why on earth would sony/nikon/canon do this when they can use 4K as an upsell. They already got your money. At this point anything they add via firmware is a loss to them.

MonkeySpanner

It probably isn’t possible because of hardware limitations. And even if it was – when is the last time Nikon had a give away this big through a firmware update?

neonspark

why 4K? why 2K (1080p) then?. I’ll tell you why, because it is a base feature and because their base wants a 4K DSLR that is relatively affordable. Canon centric sites are up in arms:

The issue for canon isn’t even that it doesn’t have 4K today. The issue will be if sony/nikon shoot 4K this year and canon has to add it on the next iteration of this high MP body which is probably 3-4 years away. That’s a VERY long time and given canon has long benefitted for amateur videographers looking for value, a 4K camera that costs a fraction of their cinema line would have been a very good selling point. Furthermore, the 5Ds is WORSE than even the D800 from two years ago because it lacks a clean HDMI and a headset monitor out. Both basic features for videographers these days.

MonkeySpanner

OhhhKaaay – I think you misunderstood me. I wasn’t questioning the value of 4K. I was question the decision to put 4K on a 50MP sensor. My point was it would make better sense to put 4K on a 12MP very good high ISO sensor (reference Sony A7s). And put this on an aps-c sensor in a good D7x00 series body. Add killer AF abilities and this would be a dream camera for a lot of DX shooters. But Nikon would not do it because it doesn’t have the broad appeal of having more MP than the last generation.

mikeswitz

In other words……MARKETING!

Kyle

Yeah I’m with you on that. My buddy has an a7s, and it is super usable even at ISO 100,000 for video. Simply amazing.
I could theoretically switch to the a7s and a 4K recorder, but it’s just such a hassle. I’d much prefer to have it all in camera. The new Sony 28-135 F4 Cine style lens looks amazing.
But, I’ve got all this Nikon F2.8 glass I’ve spent years accumulating. I really don’t want to sell it and switch to a new system. lol It’s been like a personal journey as a hobbyist photographer.
I really film weddings and have found that the Nikon V1 with FT1 does a very good job in good light. As others have noted in this post, once you get around ISO400-800, noise really does become an issue, and anything other than good daylight, IQ suffers to some degree.

DesertCat

This makes me stick to my belief that the J5 is going to be something of a J2-like release, incremental with features added but not much in the way of physical changes like a new sensor. The J2 was a bit of a head scratcher at the time but it kept Nikon on a 1 year announcement cycle with the 1-series and allowed them to have a refresh on their highest volume model. It would partially explain why we haven’t seen a V4 mentioned yet as well. They could be holding off on a V4 until a new sensor is ready (August, September?)

The push towards 4K video would help explain the existence of the 10-30mm PD zoom as the basic kit lens now. Most still photographers aren’t much interested in it due to the quality of the optics and the inability to use filters on it, but that smooth zoom function is nice for video.

DaveR43

That’s a good observation on the 10-30 PD zoom…

Peter

That would request for a new image processor I think. Current Milbeaut (aka Expeed 4) cannot handle 4K video as far as I know.

Michiel953

The 1 series as a testing ground for 4k video? Great idea. I love my wife’s V3 for simple filming; amazing quality for a 15″ retina screen. Not a lot of DoF though.

Nice edit. I’ve seen a few V1 4K videos now. Doubt they are simple, though they have a distinct look about them.

Kyle

Yeah, I use my V1 with FT1 and F2.8 glass… works great. Can only imagine the newer 1 series cameras with better sensors and processing produce even better video.

Captain Megaton

Actually a lot of DoF.

Michiel953

My bad… 😉

Nikos Delhanidis

7200

Martin D.

I’m wondering myself if there is anything new on D7200 front? 😛

Reputable Source

Last we heard, it should be announced within a few weeks of CP+, so we’re still waiting at this point. Hopefully we’ll know soon!

Martin D.

Thank you for the info 🙂

Plug

I was in a store here in the UK at the weekend and there were two Nikon reps helping and demonstrating stuff. They smiled when I asked about the D300s replacement or a D7200 and suggested that I ought to go to Photography show in Birmingham on 21-23rd March. I took it as meaning something would have manifest by then.

They must have had something serious to fix/change otherwise I cannot imagine why they missed the CP show. Perhaps they spotted the 750 banding issue in the new DX body and/or all these will come black dotted. Any from the above is good for the customers. :~)

or maybe the 4k video on the J5 – I think both cameras will be announced together

Donald S

Rumours about the advanced firmware updates have died a death

doge

Get your pocketbook ready.

Captain Megaton

Source?

Adam Brown

Why would their first 4K camera be an entry-level mass market consumer product….
Soccer moms aren’t exactly calling out for 4k….
Would make much more sense to launch a new “1” camera for videographers, or launch it on the D7200.

neonspark

do you know which were the first Nikons to shoot H264? low end. First nikons to shoot 1080p? low end. First nikons to shoot 1080p60? low end. First nikons to shoot high frame rate video? low end.
so yeah, first 4K’s will be low end.

Eric Calabros

D90 was low end?

MyrddinWilt

Yep, not even their top DX model. Below the D300.

This makes perfect sense though to anyone who actually shoots video. The most significant thing in a video camera is weight. Forget using DX or FX cameras handheld without really expensive stabilizing platforms. And expect to pay someone to falk round with you carrying the rest of your gear.

The pro video market has already left, they use BlackMagic sensors these days. Nikon’s best move in pro video right now would be to work with them on an F-mount version.

Spy Black

Because they’re desperate to get people to buy their shìtty overpriced camera.

Outside of internet forums, the average consumer barely understands how to operate their cameras. This is why there is a marketing push for 4K, because it’s a term consumers think they understand. Lacking 4K capability, whether or not it ever gets used, will be seen as being behind the technology curve.

doge

Who cares.

Andy Aungthwin

Every time you write something you make yourself look more ridiculous.

And how about you use your own name and photo?

Then we will take you more seriously.

doge

Nah.

fjfjjj

As if someone saying “who cares” using their real name would deserve to be taken seriously. The best part is that searching for “make yourself look more ridiculous” will now return results for “Andy Aungthwin” for the rest of time. Now please stop feeding the troll.

Andy Aungthwin

Do I really need to point out the number of times this joker has made ridiculous, crude, offensive and unnecessary comments?

You are not new to this forum, right? I have read many of your posts which are mainly sensible.

Unfortunately, this is not one of them.

saywhatuwill

Aren’t all cameras that have a 8MP or more sensor capable of 4k video?

neonspark

they have the pixels but they can’t process all the data and the sensor may not even be able to deliver it all w/o overheating. Techincally a D800 is just a few lines away from being 8K capable. It certainly can do 6K. Yet it would probably roast itself doing it.

saywhatuwill

Interesting.

Jeff Hunter

A 4K screen has 2,160 lines. An 8K screen would have 4,320 lines. An uncropped D800 has a vertical dimension of 4,912 pixels (lines). So the D800 is more than 8K capable.

Eric Calabros

in 16:9 crop, D800 image will have 4,140 pixels, so you need to upscale

Jeff Hunter

Just don’t crop 😉

Shelly A

they should just make a nikon 1 K(line) and then go from there with all of them having 4k

Dante D’Money

The problem for Nikon is now they are running behind the “pack” of next generation products….Sales are tanking for some time. The mirrorless camera body should have been the easiest to produce with Nikon experience and technology resources….yet Nikon was locked into playing the denial game….as it relates to the Mirror less market. Now Sony is running ahead…and Nikon is still acting like nothing has changed and we are all still living in 2010.

neonspark

you mean they will be leading once they revamp because being first means telling your competition how to beat you 🙂 they are wise to wait.

true

sony, olympus and fuji have already grabbed some of the mirrorless camera market. It will be harder for canikon to convince people their cameras will be better.

badvok

Fingers crossed for a P7800 upgrade to be announced along with the J5.

mikeswitz

Oh God, the world is now a safer place and the marketing gods have won. Nikon will finally have 4k. I feel a sigh of relief coming on.

MB

Can we assume that J5 will use Sony RX100III sensor …

MonkeySpanner

Nope. So far Nikon has sourced 1″ sensors from Aptina.

Eric Calabros

Which I doubt still keeping the deal with Nikon, they’re now part of ON Semi, maybe Toshiba this time

MonkeySpanner

I would like to see a change. As is probably pretty obvious from my other comments I would like better IQ of the 1 system.

MB

We all know what Nikon did so far but that may change.
Nikon also used to work with Nik software until recently Nik became part of Google.
And we should also know that so far Aptina was not able to supply sensors able to provide 4k video, and that Aptina is not an independent company anymore.

So why not Sony, they have the sensor readily available and Nikon (and Canon and others) do source sensors from Sony anyways …

Chou Bidouh

Are you kidding me? Even the very first 1″ sensor by Aptina in the Nikon 1 J1 was 4K-able. Every sensor in a Nikon 1 so far was 4K-able. Problem was the camera and processor around it.

MB

Nope. It is not just the resolution that matters.
No matter how fast is the processor if sensor is not capable to deliver data fast enough your super fast CPU will just be idle, that is why sensor are rated in maximal video they can support and none production Aptina sensor so far was rated to being able to provide 4k video …

Chou Bidouh

Yeah, check your facts. Why do you think the the J1 and the V1 could do 60fps in full resolution. Basically they shoot 4K RAW VIDEO, but because of the small buffer the clips you can do are short for the V1 and really really short for the J1. But the sensor is definately 4K able.

Well, as I have said – I would like to see this happen. I have never liked that Aptina sensor. I would like to see an N1 body with a good sensor in it for a change. I may become re-interested in the 1 system if this happens.

nukunukoo

All Nikon 1s, I believe, use the Aptina sensors so far.

Aldo

4k is old news… I NEED 8k video

Jeff Hunter

Who makes an 8K screen?

Chimphappyhour

There’s a couple out there but… wow! Not coming to a living room near you anytime soon.

PhotoAl

Not sure, but I saw one in action at CP+ at the NHK booth.

Martin D.

I think LG has some prototypes…

true

I don’t know, but 8k downsampled to 1080 should look many times better than native 1080 (because 4k already does)

mikeswitz

Sharper…not better. Much less film like

true

It’s not just sharpness. Having more pixels to work with affects color accuracy too

nukunukoo

Most digital projectors at the Cinemas do 8K =)

JP

more K == better :~) I would rather smell the perfume of the girl on the video then see her face hairs.

…and a 4TB external drive to hold that information. Then again, the Red Epic will give you 8k and I hear it takes pretty good stills.

Chou Bidouh

Well, if you really know what 8K is, than I assume you know that this J5 is not a camera to expect 8K from. Just think about it, 8K FUHD is 7680 x 4320, 33.47 megapixel in a 16:9 ratio@ at least 24fps. Don’t expect this from 1″ sensor in a consumer grade camera soon.

Captain Megaton

I don’t see that its going to be relevant to all that many people for some time yet, but heck: it impresses the Best Buy crowd and if the pipeline is baked (Expeed 5?) they might as well switch it on.

mikeswitz

Whaddya mean the Best Buy crowd? It impresses the crowd here even more, many of whom have been whining for over 2 years that Nikon hasn’t gone to 4k, even though they have no idea what non down samples look like on pro monitors. “It’s 4k–my newlyweds demand it!”

Captain Megaton

Demand? Perhaps. Will those newlyweds really prefer 4k from a J5 to 1080 from some pro Sony video camera though.

mikeswitz

As long as they don’t have mustaches ;=p

Thom Hogan

You’re probably aware of my little homework assignment on my site this week. In thousands of responses so far, not a single one has said that not having 4K is their biggest problem. Indeed, not a single one has said that anything about video is their biggest problem.

The video camera market is one-tenth the size of the still camera market.
And even then that’s being generous (where do we put GoPro? ;~). The still camera makers have essentially made video a key marketing feature of still cameras, despite very little actual demand for it.

If 4K is the key new aspect of the J5, then Nikon is still jumping the shark.

Spy Black

Nikon simply keeps missing the mark with the 1 series. They are also wasting much of their resources in the 1 series as well.

Let’s assume the J has 4k. The rest of the camera is?…

Besides the fact that the J has historically been crippleware, what do you think the price of the new J1 will be, considering Nikon’s pricing history? I bet Nikon thinks sticking 4k into it will allow them to price it beyond it’s worth. Again.

MonkeySpanner

“Nikon simply keeps missing the mark with the 1 series.”
I think the V3 was very close to what the N1 system should be. It was just overpriced on introduction (and still is). I can’t wait for the fire sale on those sweet V3 bodies. Poor high ISO be damned – I still want one.

Spy Black

Yeah, for the money there’s better options like the A6000, the new Samsung NX500 (although it doesn’t have an EVF), or any number of 4/3s cameras. May not be as compact, or have as fast an AF, but overall better IQ and bang for the buck.

Andy Aungthwin

You keep going on about this value for money thing. Can’t you get it that Nikon cameras cost more and that people will pay a premium over Sony or Samsung?

I have a Sony Cyber-shot and an NEX5 because they were “better bang for the buck”. Guess what? I will never again buy another Sony camera.

And what makes you think that Nikon has dug themselves into a hole with the 1 series? Do you have some sales numbers that not even the Board members have access to?

In contrast to what all the keyboard experts had predicted, the 1″ sensor has become the de-fecto standard for entry level mirrorless cameras.

Nikon bet on this and now have more lenses than any other maker. So, IMO they are in the best position for this sector of the market which will grow as the 1″ becomes more and more the standard.

Spy Black

I guess you missed all the sales that continue to this day on the J1…

Andy Aungthwin

I bought the V1 from a firesale thinking I would just mess around with one lens. I now have 5 CX lenses. They are that good!

See, Nikon dumps the bodies, maybe even at aloss, but gets you on the lenses.

Look, you are not an idiot, and you know that selling lenses is the main game.

Go and price the Sony NEX lenses vs CX or DX Nikon lenses and you will see that this is where Sony has lost the game.

MonkeySpanner

What DX lenses? I didn’t know Nikon was still making DX lenses other than what they need to sell DX kits.

Andy Aungthwin

Are you just trolling or what?

There is the 35mm DX, 40mm micro DX and 85mm micro DX. And of course 50mm is 50mm. Now go and price the 35mm or the 50mm against the NEX SEL lenses.

And BTW, you can use all these plus every other F-mount lenses on the 1 system.

MonkeySpanner

the 35 is the only DX I would consider (and I own it). The others are too slow – you can get a zoom just as fast. The only way I would consider a prime lens slower than f/2 is if it was wide angle and small. The 35 IS Nikons only real DX prime – the others are too slow and specialized. And yes, it is good – and priced right. But stands alone.

Andy Aungthwin

Yes and no.

The 50mm f1.8G is not exactly the weak little brother of the 50mm f1.4G. I have both, plus the older 1.8D as well as the f1.8 AIS. The f1.8G is a lot cheaper than the NEX SEL 50mm f1.8. Sure, it’s not a DX as such but it’s effectively a DX prime on a DX body.

The point is that people complain about various things but forget that Nikon has significantly more lens choices and more importantly they are cheaper in many cases.

That’s not to say the all the CX lenses are cheap. Far from it. The 6.7-13mm is quite expensive but for its size it is unbelievable. I compared it to the 10mm f2.8 and found to my surprise that the 6.7-13mm @10mm is sharper edge to edge when compared wide open.

As a NEX owner I was tempted with the 16-50 but you really need to see how bad this lens is at 16mm.

As I said earlier on, I’m done with Sony and anyone else. I know the Nikon system well and even if I have to pay a premium for some of their stuff, in the long run I will stay happy.

MonkeySpanner

Well, it is great you have found a system you like. And Nikon is certainly not a bad choice.
But, as you pointed out – if you want a good, interesting lens (like a wide angle zoom) it is going to cost you. Well, that is the case in almost any system. The NEX WA zoom is also not cheap – but good (I am talking about the 10-18 f/4).
I shot 50mm f/1.8 for a few years – I didn’t like the perspective. Not wide enough for me most of the time. 35 is better – I have that on my Nikon DSLR most of the time. But I have a 22/2 on my Canon EOS-M. Now that is a good FL for me. It is 3 bears good. Not to wide, not too tele, but just right. Now, if I could just….get…..this….EOS-M to focus!

MonkeySpanner

“the 1″ sensor has become the de-fecto standard for entry level mirrorless cameras.”
What exactly are you basing this on? Are you saying that 1″ is the standard for entry level mirrorless ILC? Which is basically saying that the N1 system is the standard for entry level mirrorless? Really? Last time I checked Nikon was still trying to give away N1 bodies.
I am not saying that a GOOD 1″ sensor isn’t a good basis for a ILC system – I think it is. But so far, only Nikon (and Samsung kinda) have tried an ILC with 1″ sensor. And Nikon is still trying to give away those bodies. The V3 – well it is a step in the right direction. But I do not think those bodies are flying off the shelves – certainly not at the crazy prices Nikon is asking for.
Sorry to hear about your experience with Sony. I too briefly owned an NEX-5n – sold it in less than 2 weeks – could not stand the slow AF system. But if you have not tried any of the newest AF system you may be judging this system based on old and outdated information.

MonkeySpanner

Yes, definitely. All the speed and power of the 1 system is wasted due to IQ issues as far as I am concerned. I will take a slower body, even a larger body because in the end if I can’t get the IQ I need all the AF speed and FPS do not matter.
In my opinion, if Nikon is going to keep the IQ in the 1 system where it is now – they need to price the V3 below the Sony A5000. Because I would rather have that camera for the same money – it just has better IQ.

Thom Hogan

Moreover, you have the Panasonic LX-100 with a better than J5 sensor, better than J5 lens, better than J5 UI, plus 4K video capability already on the market and dropping in price rapidly (currently US$200 off if you look carefully).

El Aura

And to be fair also a slightly larger sensor.

true

4K is a nice thing to have tho imo. It would’ve sold D5500 like hot cakes if they had put it on that camera.

mikeswitz

…..and you know this because……?

Thom Hogan

I’m not saying that 4K wouldn’t be nice to have. I’m saying that I don’t think it is moving product anywhere near as much as anyone seems to think it is. I’ve got a couple of cameras that have 4K video in them. I don’t use that feature. I still shoot my video at 1080P with my dedicated video gear, and with good reason (and yes, I have a large sensor video rig).

For example, a lot of people will point to Panasonic’s saying that the GH4 is selling better than expected. Do you realize what they expected? ;~) The GH4 is a <150k unit a year in volume camera. Again, Nikon dropped 1m units in ILC sales in one year. 4K is not the answer to getting that back. It might help a bit, but 4K is also near the point where it will become ubiquitous on ILCs and the whole point will become moot.

mikeswitz

But I still think Nikon should be making some true cine lenses ;=0

Thom Hogan

But this is Nikon’s problem in a nutshell. Nikon holds more than 34% of the interchangeable lens sales worldwide. In other words, they’ve built a company that depends upon volume products. Cine lenses are a specialty niche product that sells in fairly low volumes.

For Nikon to shift from mainstream to niche would mean they’d have to find dozens, maybe even hundreds of niches. Remember, this is a company that has trouble producing more than six new lenses a year.

What we may want Nikon to do and what they can do are two different things. But I’d say that if they don’t shore up the area they co-owned with Canon, they are in deep trouble. Thus, “where’s the D400?” ;~)

GoPro works on ease of use, recognition, and leveraging social media. Camera makers could learn a few things from GoPro. 😉

Missed your survey, though just to add a bit to your data, I would rather see more lenses for the Nikon 1 system. Outside of that, some way to connect to larger Nikon Speedlights, or just fire a Pocketwizard, would be welcome changes. All those interesting devices at the Nikon 1 launch, and where are they now?

My “biggest problem” with the Nikon 1 system is the lack of lens choices.

Eric Calabros

So Thom, Andrew Raid and Cinema5D folks havent emailed you yet :-))

whisky

not a single person, i recall, had said portable music was a problem, so Sony went ahead and invented the Walkman®. nor then did a single person say their Walkman® was a problem, so Apple went ahead and built the iPod®.

if both companies had only listened to what their customers wanted, neither may have been built. sometimes you have to show the customer the things they didn’t know they wanted … and sometimes it’s the other way around. JMO.