I don't know what to make of the global warming controversy. Whether it's the grant-seeking environmentalists, or the profit-seeking resource companies, both sides have an incentive to produce selective science.

I think everyone agrees already that the hockey stick graph was fake but I'll just share a story out of the book the deniers, it would be funny if it were not real.

2 Men claimed that the hockey stick graph was flawed seriously because of the manipulation of statistics so they proved it by running 10000 totally different numbers with Manns (Mann was the author of the hockey stick graph) methodology and 99.99% of the time a hockey stick appeared! :lol: They tried 10000 different stats :lol: but some will still tell you the ipcc is honest.

I don't know what to make of the global warming controversy. Whether it's the grant-seeking environmentalists, or the profit-seeking resource companies, both sides have an incentive to produce selective science.

I agree that they both have incentives but I have yet to see a resource company publish a article or anything on how global warming does not exist.

Ive been listening to him on cpac.Besides the bashing of the national govt,he calls for more spending to combat climate change.Tell us Mr.Mcguinty,what have you done to reduce your carbon footprint?I use public transit.I walk to the store up to 30 min at times.In a small 10 min walk to my corner store ive picked up a standard bagfull of garbage that people have littered on the street.People need to change their way of thinking not govt spending.Your guys arent there to coddle us.Your there to listen to us and act accordingly.
China and India number 2 billion people and their economies are rising.Your telling me that our economy is more responsible for climate change?Really?Well i want sources and not studies from leftist ideological schools and universities.You quote the UN studies which is a corrupt organization if i ever saw one.They cant even enforce the declaration of human rights of their own member states like China,Iran,Russia,North Korea,and numerous african countries as well.They cant even halt genocide in Africa by Islamic extremists.
While you liberals wish to enact bills to tax us the people of this country,you ignore human rights violations of these said countries.You ignore the fact that europeans live in apartment blocks like sardines.That is not a life i wish to live.The Conservative govt is thinking globally while you liberals are thinking locally.While certain issues need to be addressed locally,it will take support from China and India to an international climate change bill to work.
I would like nothing more than to pull the teeth from oil producing countries like Iran and Saudi arabia overnight.But the world must pick up the tab.Not just the West.

Its not just the cooling planet but the CRU's reaction to it that is so funny. Aren't they old enough to remember the 3 decade cooling spell? I have the download of the hacked files from CPU. It includes the reaction to the cooling. And all their manipulations of climate data. Did somebody think this was for real?

I don't mean to be a downer, but the criticism page for GGWS is literally pages long on wikipedia. Many issues are understandable by anyone who has the time to check them out. There are real problems with climate science. There are real problems with the things Al Gore says. If you watch documentaries like this one and pretend you understand the truth, you will look like you don't know what you are talking about and you won't get through to anyone. Check out the other thread I posted: "A climate science video liberals and conservatives agree on"

I don't mean to be a downer, but the criticism page for GGWS is literally pages long on wikipedia. Many issues are understandable by anyone who has the time to check them out. There are real problems with climate science. There are real problems with the things Al Gore says. If you watch documentaries like this one and pretend you understand the truth, you will look like you don't know what you are talking about and you won't get through to anyone. Check out the other thread I posted: "A climate science video liberals and conservatives agree on"

Regardless of what opponents of TGGWS have spewed at Wikipedia, this film was all we had during the time that Al Gore's film was everywhere. The Great Global Warming Swindle may have had a few minor flaws but it did a fair job of debunking AGW. The most important thing about the film is that it went viral on the Net and has been seen by millions.

The DVD version was updated and much better than the original but the fact is it planted the seeds of doubt in millions of people around the world which has helped in the public resistance to global carbon control being discussed at Copenhagen.

The little film that was only shown once on BBC4 as far as I know, ended up doing a thousand times more than was ever envisioned. The more the opponents tried to discredit TGGWS, the more people wanted to see what the fuss was all about. It more than served it's purpose and is still being downloaded hundreds of times per day.

I have to be honest and state that I once was passionate about Global Warming as fact. The link between the increase in atmospheric C02 and the (supposed) increasing global temperatures collected by scientists was taught as fact when I was in College in the early 90's. It wasn't until I joined an on line political debating forum a few years ago and looked further into the data that I realized that Global Warming was bad science and changed my position on Global Warming to be a 'climate realist'.

After viewing the video of Lord Monckton and the Greenpeace activist I had a look at the website he suggested for her to view... "The Chryosphe Today"

Regardless of what opponents of TGGWS have spewed at Wikipedia, this film was all we had during the time that Al Gore's film was everywhere. The Great Global Warming Swindle may have had a few minor flaws but it did a fair job of debunking AGW. The most important thing about the film is that it went viral on the Net and has been seen by millions.

Read the criticisms, anyone would agree they are blatant and easy to understand. I could understand supporting this film if the errors were small accidents made by honest people. Unfortunately, if you read the criticisms, they are not. These facts are not hard to check. The standards for a proper debunking have to be higher than this film.

You say that the most important thing about this film was its popularity pushing an agenda certain people feel is correct, as if the errors are insignificant. Isn't that the exact problem you have with Al Gore's film?

Isn't it more important to focus on credibility, criticism, debate etc? Or should we throw it away go for popularity and flip on whoever is supporting the position we already thought was correct?

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