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ok, so how can a dealer ask 55895 for a used 2012 X5d with 12800 miles Premium, premium sound, cold weather, tech and thrid row seats? This is $895 more than a NEW ZERO miles '12 sells for currently. I have been told that 53800 would be as low as they can go......

Explain this scenario. I dont understand it. Orig invoice was 61,590, back out the 4500 eco you have 57,090 add $550 you have 57590 selling price new take off $0.75 per mile you get 47990. I would think this is a very fair first offer at negotiations.

What Ard said. Our 2011 msrp was mid 64's, bought it 9 months old (as new condition) with about 11k miles for a bit under 50k.

Ya, doing the math with the 'Ard' formula, we would be about $0.45/mile. For us, used made more sense as I could'nt find 10k off around CO or neighboring states and used made it easier for us to purchase and lic it in such a manner to avoid tax. Also, our upper price limit was $50k and made the trade off between slightly used or a base new (and getting to $50k still didn't look likley).