Surely, improvements in death rates is a kind of double de-clanger? Shouldn't it be something like improvements in survival rates?

Surely, improvements in death rates is a kind of double de-clanger? Shouldn't it be something like improvements in survival rates?Devils Advocate

Surely, improvements in death rates is a kind of double de-clanger? Shouldn't it be something like improvements in survival rates?

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Bangemup says...4:47pm Mon 17 Mar 14

What a dreadful state of affairs , with so many managers and admin staff one wonders how this situation could possibly occur . Who was guilty of not doing what they were paid very well to do ? As for patients seen within 12 hours of entering A & E is that a joke ? !2 hours is half a day ,I'm surprised people have not starved to death waiting to be treated . Britain is becoming WORSE than a third World Country . Time for a wake up call .The National Health is one of the biggest employers in Britain and the World ,standards needs to improve vastly , cut out the highly paid managers and replace them with more Matrons who were the backbone of healthcare until Politics took over . Your life is at stake !

What a dreadful state of affairs , with so many managers and admin staff one wonders how this situation could possibly occur . Who was guilty of not doing what they were paid very well to do ? As for patients seen within 12 hours of entering A & E is that a joke ? !2 hours is half a day ,I'm surprised people have not starved to death waiting to be treated . Britain is becoming WORSE than a third World Country . Time for a wake up call .The National Health is one of the biggest employers in Britain and the World ,standards needs to improve vastly , cut out the highly paid managers and replace them with more Matrons who were the backbone of healthcare until Politics took over . Your life is at stake !Bangemup

What a dreadful state of affairs , with so many managers and admin staff one wonders how this situation could possibly occur . Who was guilty of not doing what they were paid very well to do ? As for patients seen within 12 hours of entering A & E is that a joke ? !2 hours is half a day ,I'm surprised people have not starved to death waiting to be treated . Britain is becoming WORSE than a third World Country . Time for a wake up call .The National Health is one of the biggest employers in Britain and the World ,standards needs to improve vastly , cut out the highly paid managers and replace them with more Matrons who were the backbone of healthcare until Politics took over . Your life is at stake !

Score: 8

carnmountyouknowitmakessense says...5:45pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Had someone died during the time of the unacceptably high death period, might it be suggested, that they died without their best possible care, being offered to them ? If the answer is yes, then surely the term negligence comes into play...

Had someone died during the time of the unacceptably high death period, might it be suggested, that they died without their best possible care, being offered to them ? If the answer is yes, then surely the term negligence comes into play...carnmountyouknowitmakessense

Had someone died during the time of the unacceptably high death period, might it be suggested, that they died without their best possible care, being offered to them ? If the answer is yes, then surely the term negligence comes into play...

Score: 5

runwellian says...6:45pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Shouldn't the 12 hours in A&E actually be four hours, an agreed national standard or have the Echo got it s figure mixed up? As much as Basildon has been criticised, at least they don't have high numbers of 'NEVER' events or patients falling out of windows like another hospital not too far away beside the seaside?

Shouldn't the 12 hours in A&E actually be four hours, an agreed national standard or have the Echo got it s figure mixed up?
As much as Basildon has been criticised, at least they don't have high numbers of 'NEVER' events or patients falling out of windows like another hospital not too far away beside the seaside?runwellian

Shouldn't the 12 hours in A&E actually be four hours, an agreed national standard or have the Echo got it s figure mixed up? As much as Basildon has been criticised, at least they don't have high numbers of 'NEVER' events or patients falling out of windows like another hospital not too far away beside the seaside?

Score: 5

benfleet101 says...7:33pm Mon 17 Mar 14

This is all a bit of mis-information fed to us via the Dr Foster data gathering firm that is employed by the NHS so they can use league tables to compare hospitals The trouble is there are too many variables area to area to make the statistics used give an accurate picture. One glaring example was in Liverpool where a hospital was slated for a much higher death rate than 'normal'. the press has a field day, patients refused to be seen there and the hospital suffered. It transpired, unlike other hospitals used in gathering the statistics, it did not have use of a local Hospice and nursed it's own terminal patients. The Dr Foster program did not have the capacity to take this into account. When a Hospice opened in the area, the death rate at the hospital dropped dramatically... but then any sensible person would have expected that!

This is all a bit of mis-information fed to us via the Dr Foster data gathering firm that is employed by the NHS so they can use league tables to compare hospitals The trouble is there are too many variables area to area to make the statistics used give an accurate picture. One glaring example was in Liverpool where a hospital was slated for a much higher death rate than 'normal'. the press has a field day, patients refused to be seen there and the hospital suffered. It transpired, unlike other hospitals used in gathering the statistics, it did not have use of a local Hospice and nursed it's own terminal patients. The Dr Foster program did not have the capacity to take this into account. When a Hospice opened in the area, the death rate at the hospital dropped dramatically... but then any sensible person would have expected that!benfleet101

This is all a bit of mis-information fed to us via the Dr Foster data gathering firm that is employed by the NHS so they can use league tables to compare hospitals The trouble is there are too many variables area to area to make the statistics used give an accurate picture. One glaring example was in Liverpool where a hospital was slated for a much higher death rate than 'normal'. the press has a field day, patients refused to be seen there and the hospital suffered. It transpired, unlike other hospitals used in gathering the statistics, it did not have use of a local Hospice and nursed it's own terminal patients. The Dr Foster program did not have the capacity to take this into account. When a Hospice opened in the area, the death rate at the hospital dropped dramatically... but then any sensible person would have expected that!

Score: 4

railfan235 says...8:47am Tue 18 Mar 14

thats a understatement basildon is the biggest bucher shop in the whole county

thats a understatement basildon is the biggest bucher shop in the whole countyrailfan235

thats a understatement basildon is the biggest bucher shop in the whole county

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