AuthorTopic: The Thread on Politics (Read 433160 times)

Hmm...Alci, I'm just reading this thread. You have a really rosy view of states. While they are certainly more able to experiment than the federal government, how often does this experimentation lead to good results? I mean, to be where you're from and me coming where I'm from, this pro-states' rights position is hard to understand. Moreover, many of the states where African Americans are most populous (proportionately) are the states where "experimentation" has never led to anything good.

I don't think that's an excuse for having the federal government (inefficiently) run everything. I think that the closer we can get to the federalist ideal, the more efficiently our country will be run. There just needs to be better oversight of states' experimentation. Again, don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

That's no surprise. I would, however, like to see the stats for the number of middle class kids going to colleges that offer merit scholarships. With steadily rising tuitions, I think it's increasingly likely that only the rich who can afford to pay it or the poor who can be subsidized are going to need-based-only colleges.

I disagree with the disagreeing with Alci, but I don't necessarily agree with him. I think that blacks have seen the federal government as a way of getting the states to recognize their rights. When anyone says states rights, therefore, black people are very wary of the implication. In the past that was the correct strategy. But I think it's time to revisit all of those assumptions. I'm not so sure that states wouldn't be a better place to target for programs now.

I disagree with the disagreeing with Alci, but I don't necessarily agree with him. I think that blacks have seen the federal government as a way of getting the states to recognize their rights. When anyone says states rights, therefore, black people are very wary of the implication. In the past that was the correct strategy. But I think it's time to revisit all of those assumptions. I'm not so sure that states wouldn't be a better place to target for programs now.

I disagree with the disagreeing with Alci, but I don't necessarily agree with him. I think that blacks have seen the federal government as a way of getting the states to recognize their rights. When anyone says states rights, therefore, black people are very wary of the implication. In the past that was the correct strategy. But I think it's time to revisit all of those assumptions. I'm not so sure that states wouldn't be a better place to target for programs now.

let me clarify that I agree to the extent that I think our federal government has messed up things to an extent where our only recourse is state government/constitutions and the experimentation they provide, but I am not inherently happy about it as Alci is. I like progress being made in all arenas verses confining it to one--whether that be state or federal. Cooperative federalism is where it is at.

let me clarify that I agree to the extent that I think our federal government has messed up things to an extent where our only recourse is state government/constitutions and the experimentation they provide, but I am not inherently happy about it as Alci is. I like progress being made in all arenas verses confining it to one--whether that be state or federal. Cooperative federalism is where it is at.

Lol, I am only inherently happy about things that work. Cooperative federalism is what I'm advocating...let the states experiment, but provide national standards (as I've said all along). I don't think we should go back to the days of dual federalism.

let me clarify that I agree to the extent that I think our federal government has messed up things to an extent where our only recourse is state government/constitutions and the experimentation they provide, but I am not inherently happy about it as Alci is. I like progress being made in all arenas verses confining it to one--whether that be state or federal. Cooperative federalism is where it is at.

Lol, I am only inherently happy about things that work. Cooperative federalism is what I'm advocating...let the states experiment, but provide national standards (as I've said all along). I don't think we should go back to the days of dual federalism.

Yep! Basically the same thing I stated also...[[before the induced tangents]]