Actually, no, the MSM and authorities do indeed believe they have found the man. It's all there, but you are just going to disagree with it. So
what's your theory again? First of all, there is a movie, that is confirmed. This is not just some lame YT clip made some dude who hates Islam or has
a sick sense of humor. The movie and actors confirm they were misled, they have all come forward, and if you're not convinced he is the man then just
wait a day or two when the actors/crew confirm it positively via pictures shown to them.

Actually, no, the MSM and authorities do indeed believe they have found the man. It's all there, but you are just going to disagree with it. So what's
your theory again? First of all, there is a movie, that is confirmed. This is not just some lame YT clip made some dude who hates Islam or has a sick
sense of humor. The movie and actors confirm they were misled, they have all come forward, and if you're not convinced he is the man then just wait a
day or two when the actors/crew confirm it positively via pictures shown to them.

I'm not disagreeing with you out of spite.
I'm disagreeing with you because I am not one who is quick to jump to conclusions.

I am fully aware that this was an actual movie production, and not simply a YouTube clip, in its original inception.

I am not convinced that the man they are questioning is the man that is behind the malicious intent to incite this mob mentality of agression from
Islam towards America. If it is proven--- which as of yet, has not been IMO--- that this person is indeed the perpetrator, then I will gladly stand
corrected.
I would rather be found wrong because I waited for sufficient proof, than accuse someone wrongly.

Besides all that, it remains to be proven who dubbed the conglomeration of clips originally posted on YouTube on July 2nd into Arabic and sent it to
the Islamic press to draw attention to it.

The film is in poor taste, no doubt-- but remember, the true perpetrator is the one who purposefully and maliciously perverted the original work into
what it is now.
Even though it may be proved that Nakoula possibly worked on the film during its production, that is a far cry from proving he is the man behind this
obvious incendiary endeavor towards chaos and anarchy, the repercussions of which, are still playing out around the globe.

Sure there was Anti-US sentiment but prior to the Video being dubbed there weren't very many Embassies being mobbed.

You do the math.

I have. Thats why I said the association in the media of the protest and the film reeks of Straw Man. Ask the people of the Middle East which straw on
their camels back provided the catalyst that touched off this "protest". I can see with my eyes how much they hate us.

Anti-US sentiment? Believing the Middle Eastern folk in general mind less that their countries are being bombed, invaded, and occupied than some
video on YouTube is delusional on our part.

I am convinced the " allegiance of 4 " has started this whole thing.....there was a pact between Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and china ....hence the
4 ....to remove the westerner from the middle east. Egypt president morsy has initiated the pact.

Even if this man is proven to be the originator of this film there's clearly much more to the story than we know and/or are being told. Finding out
the identity of who made this film is just an early step to figuring out puzzle here. I don't believe he's working alone and it is who he is working
with that I wanna find out next. This film, well the editied dubbed version, was clearly set out to incite Muslims so I want all those involved to
take full responsibility for their actions. Also, this is probably a good time for the rioting Muslims to step back and take a good look at themselves
and their beliefs because this short YT clip is not worth anyones time, let alone rioting over. Islam needs to wake up and perhaps grow a thicker
skin.

I'm still in disbelief a YT clip incited these rioting protesters. Of course terrorists will use any excuse to cause terror, especially if it's in
line with their religious belief, so I'm not surprised their terrorizing. It's the other Muslims that disappoint me.

Even if this man is proven to be the originator of this film there's clearly much more to the story than we know and/or are being told. Finding out
the identity of who made this film is just an early step to figuring out puzzle here. I don't believe he's working alone and it is who he is working
with that I wanna find out next. This film, well the editied dubbed version, was clearly set out to incite Muslims so I want all those involved to
take full responsibility for their actions. Also, this is probably a good time for the rioting Muslims to step back and take a good look at themselves
and their beliefs because this short YT clip is not worth anyones time, let alone rioting over. Islam needs to wake up and perhaps grow a thicker
skin.

I'm still in disbelief a YT clip incited these rioting protesters. Of course terrorists will use any excuse to cause terror, especially if it's in
line with their religious belief, so I'm not surprised their terrorizing. It's the other Muslims that disappoint me.

Agreed.

On all points except that the 'other' Muslims disappoint you. What do you mean? Please elaborate if you'd like to discuss.

“The Innocence of Muslims” was still roiling the Islamic world, with access blocked in Egypt, Libya, India, Indonesia and Afghanistan —
keeping it from easy viewing in countries where more than a quarter of the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims live.

They could at have blocked the trailer from viewing at any time they chose not to wonder why that it is?

Hollywood releases trailers all the time before the film is ever finished and most of the time ever started.

That's not a real rebuttal.
That's a classic grand standing approach to get's one own opinion and social commentary aired.

Had to look up FFS. Real rebuttal? I was addressing "Anti-US sentiments" as you put it. The thread title referred to the absence of a film? So the media lied to
us? And the seething resentment towards us boiled over in the Middle East? Thats not an opinion. No matter how you dismiss it.

Any Muslim that is involved with rioting, looting, violence, etc. I'm all for protesting but I support peaceful protests only. Once violence and
destruction begins you lose all my support. Of course this is to be expected since the root of this is religion....

9/11 anniversary 'celebrated' by a couple of people who are probably loosely connected to the original perpetrators (read: probably not
moslems) just to keep things cooking or however they rationalize it.

next step: damage control video, something to talk about on the web and in the media. i mean it happened in 2001, the bin Laden confession video was a
preposterous fake, why would this one NOT be?

I remember when 9-11 truthers said there were no real videos of Osama, that they were all fake. Oh and that segment of the guy with the turban
covering one eye looks familiar. Where have I seen it? I think it was part of another Hollywood production. I could be wrong though but that frame is
haunting me.

This seems more like the work of one dumbass individual, who's sole intent was to incite rage and anger from one specific target towards
another.
ONE PERSON playing TWO NATIONS off of each other.

WHY???

It was probably the radical Muslims in control of the country who wish to garner support for their cause that dubbed in the hateful speech….that
makes the most sense to me.

Most decent people in the ME don’t want more conflict and they’re tired of the extreme theocratic rule they’ve been subjected to. This seems
like an attempt to rally their people behind the theocracy and strengthen their control.

Why would US or Israel want to incite the entire Muslim world?? You have to ask who would benefit from this? It makes a lot more sense that a group
like the Muslim Brotherhood would benefit from inciting hatred for America.

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Just my opinion, but I think you're partially correct. The radicals want to rally more people to their cause (and the extremists are a small
percentage, but big enough to matter.). However, as I think was plainly obvious, there are people in power in the U.S. Who stand to gain a great deal
from middle-east conflict. It costs the same to pump a barrel of oil out of the ground whether its a Clinton-esque $30/bbl, or the $100/bbl which has
been the norm for the past 10 years. The Carlyle Group of investors (including the Bush family, the bin Laden family, and other prominent families)
made a killing (pun intended) with Iraq & Afghanistan. Halliburton made billions of dollars in Iraq,

Much as Donald Rumsfeld made tens of millions of dollars through the ridiculous taxpayer-funded purchase of Tamiflu, the drug which does nothing
useful against H5N1, Avian, or Swine flu, these people are happily willing to watch tens, or hundreds of thousands of people die to line their
pockets. We've seen it far too many times to deny it at this point.

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