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Re: Confederate Flag

It's just a flag. Good, bad, or otherwise, historical use is not to be blamed on a piece of cloth. We never banned the Nazi flag. Once you ban something, you give more power to it than it formally had.

Re: Confederate Flag

Because of what it represented overtime and what it's associated with yes.

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Re: Confederate Flag

Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth

As I already pointed out, those want to display it PERSONALLY can do so, no matter how confused their use of it is.

The point is not whether they "can" display it - the point is that you're denigrating something they hold near and dear. They are not the confused ones. The confused ones are those who think it is - or should be seen as - racist.

McCarthy was a conservative, and I see your argument trying to equate fascism with liberalism in this and other posts, it again displays this hodgepodge of confused polisci understanding. But as I said, the idea that internal communism is as pervasive in US society as racism is....is absurd on so many levels. Further, the denial of how important, key to the South, was slavery, again shows just how far from reality your argument is, along with grasping at straws your references to a Wisconsin Senator are.

Your argument is becoming disjointed as you jump back and forth to prove some evasive point. There are undeniable similarties between the flag-banners and both traditional fascism and McCarthy's tactics. All three seek to quell opinions that differ from their own and to legislate thought. McCarthy wasn't just a "Wisconsin Senator." He launched a witch hunt against those he claimed supported communism. Just like now, people were pointing fingers at their neighbors - and McCarthy used it to his advantage. He extolled the evils of communism, although there was very little communism going around. Just as today, there is very little racism associated with the Confederate Flag, as you've been shown.

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Re: Confederate Flag

Because it strips the Southern people of the symbol they use to honor their fallen. It takes something they see as beautiful and tries to make it ugly.

Originally Posted by HowardBThiname

That sounds good in theory, but that's not what the flag represents to the people of the South. This is what it represents - the fallen - and this is what you're denigrating:

Originally Posted by HowardBThiname

You're certainly welcome to your opinion, but that opinion isn't shared by the majority of the South.

You should stop talking for the South because you are wrong. I am from the South, born and raised, and I live here now. I can promise you that many, white and black, do not feel this way.

In 2010, 55 percent of the black population lived in the South, and 105 Southern counties had a black population of 50 percent or higher. Of the total U.S. population of 308.7 million on April 1, 2010, 38.9 million people, or 13 percent, identified as black alone.

Now go ask 39 million people, who live, and work, raise families, and die in the South, how they feel about having to do so under that flag. Ask them what the flag means to them.

Go ask them. I'll wait.

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Robinson stated that when the Confederate flag was first flown over South Carolina’s statehouse in 1961, and it was hoisted as a symbol of "massive resistance to racial desegregation."

Robinson is right on the date. The flag first flew over the statehouse to mark the opening ceremonies of a Civil War Centennial celebration.

Whether it was raised as a deliberate symbol of a "resistance to racial desegregation" is not completely clear. Experts and research find a circumstantial link between the spread of the flag and the racial divisions of the 1950s and 1960s.

You do know what "circumstantial" means, don't you?

It means there's really no proof. It might be - it might not be. What we DO know, however, is that the flag has held a place of honor for decades prior to that - and even if you're right - that wouldn't erase the cultural importance to the millions who honor it for the right reason.

I don't care if they do or do not take it down.

The damage is already done. The media and Leftists have created a feeding frenzy and, in doing so, have dishonored all the citizens of the South who held the flag in high regard - not for racist purposes.

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Re: Confederate Flag

Originally Posted by HowardBThiname

From your link:

You do know what "circumstantial" means, don't you?

It means there's really no proof. It might be - it might not be. What we DO know, however, is that the flag has held a place of honor for decades prior to that - and even if you're right - that wouldn't erase the cultural importance to the millions who honor it for the right reason.

I don't care if they do or do not take it down.

The damage is already done. The media and Leftists have created a feeding frenzy and, in doing so, have dishonored all the citizens of the South who held the flag in high regard - not for racist purposes.

"Circumstantial", hm?

Those of us who grew up in the Deep South know better. That's every bit as circumstantial as Mississippi's congress voting to FINALLY ratify the 13th Amendment (Banning slavery) in 1995 - yes, 1995 - but somehow forgetting to send in the paperwork to D.C. for finalization of that ratification until 20-freaking-13...TWO YEARS AGO. The 'excuse' was, "well, ha-rumph, it was all simply an administrative error, you know"...but again, those of us who grew up in the Deep South know better.

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Re: Confederate Flag

You should stop talking for the South because you are wrong. I am from the South, born and raised, and I live here now. I can promise you that many, white and black, do not feel this way.

Now go ask 39 million people, who live, and work, raise families, and die in the South, how they feel about having to do so under that flag. Ask them what the flag means to them.

Go ask them. I'll wait.

My inlaws - a HUGE extended family - live in the deep South. They are very hurt by these accusations of racism. It's very personal to them. My sister in law runs a volunteer organization called "Helping Hands" that collects and distributes items to the very poor. Most of the recipients are black and my sister in law feels honored to be of service. She's also a member of the Daughters of the Confederacy and she's very proud of her fallen ancestors.

You have your opinion, but that's all it is - YOUR opinion. Don't try to speak for others - because they might not agree with you.

"Nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal; nothing on earth can help the man with the wrong mental attitude." ~ Thomas Jefferson

Re: Confederate Flag

Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian

"Circumstantial", hm?

Those of us who grew up in the Deep South know better. That's every bit as circumstantial as Mississippi's congress voting to FINALLY ratify the 13th Amendment (Banning slavery) in 1995 - yes, 1995 - but somehow forgetting to send in the paperwork to D.C. for finalization of that ratification until 20-freaking-13...TWO YEARS AGO. The 'excuse' was, "well, ha-rumph, it was all simply an administrative error, you know"...but again, those of us who grew up in the Deep South know better.

I've never heard that story before, but what's your point? Do you think they were going to try to start slavery back up? Do you really think that could have happened?

"Nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal; nothing on earth can help the man with the wrong mental attitude." ~ Thomas Jefferson