Could you please elaborate on this? I don't disagree (honestly), but I'd like to hear why you believe this. What is "Reid's Offense", and what are the attributes of Geno, Wilson and Barkley that specifically help or hinder them within Reid's system?

Reid's WCO is one that utilizes more vertical routes (go routes and posts, double moves, sluggos, etc) than most WCOs in terms of frequency (McCarthy's WCO is fairly similar now. They both love the PA inside zone with the Z running the post in base personnel. Look at Jordy Nelson's highlights from last year). Reid's also stressed an importance (but possibly due to the QBs he's had) on mobility and utilizing boots, PA off the stretch play (Reid utilizes a ZB system for the run game).

Because of Geno's quickness (but not pure speed), he utilizes/sells the stretch/bootleg on PA better than Wilson or the other prospects.

Wilson is a good fit for this WCO variant bc he's got solid accuracy down the field and is fairly athletic himself.

Barkley appears to be the worst fit for Reids WCO and ironically the best fit for a traditional WCO (ala the Browns recently, 49ers with Alex Smith and previously, etc) as his weaknesses are arm strength and mobility/quickness.

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I have completely given up on Alex Smith as a qb. Its painful to watch. Like, worse than watching Colt McCoy.

No, I'd be happy with either. I think that Geno fits Andy's philosophies better than Wilson and probably has a higher ceiling and better physical tools. One week for the SR bowl isn't going to significantly alter my views on either prospect.

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I have completely given up on Alex Smith as a qb. Its painful to watch. Like, worse than watching Colt McCoy.

Could you please elaborate on this? I don't disagree (honestly), but I'd like to hear why you believe this. What is "Reid's Offense", and what are the attributes of Geno, Wilson and Barkley that specifically help or hinder them within Reid's system?

Geno's Air Raid system depended on spread out receivers, putting them in good positions to get yards after the catch, and using the run to supplement the pass, not set it up. Geno excelled at throwing well-timed and accurate short passes, which is the staple of the West Coast offense. What he ran in college looks similar to what Andy Reid will have him do in the pros.

I have no clue what kind of offense Tyler Wilson runs, but from what I've seen it's certainly not a West Coast offense. He rolls out a ton, always looks downfield, and waits for the WRs to create separation before he throws. That, or he anticipates the cut in the route so he throws his guy open.

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I would read an entire blog of SNR breaking down athletes' musical capabilities like draft scouting reports.

No, I'd be happy with either. I think that Geno fits Andy's philosophies better than Wilson and probably has a higher ceiling and better physical tools. One week for the SR bowl isn't going to significantly alter my views on either prospect.

This. It's been pretty well documented that the Geno crowd wants a qb with the first overall, but if Tyler Wilson outshines him and is selected, instead of Geno, there won't be much fuss at all

Geno's Air Raid system depended on spread out receivers, putting them in good positions to get yards after the catch, and using the run to supplement the pass, not set it up. Geno excelled at throwing well-timed and accurate short passes, which is the staple of the West Coast offense. What he ran in college looks similar to what Andy Reid will have him do in the pros.

I have no clue what kind of offense Tyler Wilson runs, but from what I've seen it's certainly not a West Coast offense. He rolls out a ton, always looks downfield, and waits for the WRs to create separation before he throws. That, or he anticipates the cut in the route so he throws his guy open.

IIRC, Petrino is a E/P guy which is why he was hired by Tom Coughlin for the Jags

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

I have completely given up on Alex Smith as a qb. Its painful to watch. Like, worse than watching Colt McCoy.

Reid's WCO is one that utilizes more vertical routes (go routes and posts, double moves, sluggos, etc) than most WCOs in terms of frequency (McCarthy's WCO is fairly similar now. They both love the PA inside zone with the Z running the post in base personnel. Look at Jordy Nelson's highlights from last year). Reid's also stressed an importance (but possibly due to the QBs he's had) on mobility and utilizing boots, PA off the stretch play (Reid utilizes a ZB system for the run game).

Because of Geno's quickness (but not pure speed), he utilizes/sells the stretch/bootleg on PA better than Wilson or the other prospects.

Wilson is a good fit for this WCO variant bc he's got solid accuracy down the field and is fairly athletic himself.

Barkley appears to be the worst fit for Reids WCO and ironically the best fit for a traditional WCO (ala the Browns recently, 49ers with Alex Smith and previously, etc) as his weaknesses are arm strength and mobility/quickness.

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Geno's Air Raid system depended on spread out receivers, putting them in good positions to get yards after the catch, and using the run to supplement the pass, not set it up. Geno excelled at throwing well-timed and accurate short passes, which is the staple of the West Coast offense. What he ran in college looks similar to what Andy Reid will have him do in the pros.

I have no clue what kind of offense Tyler Wilson runs, but from what I've seen it's certainly not a West Coast offense. He rolls out a ton, always looks downfield, and waits for the WRs to create separation before he throws. That, or he anticipates the cut in the route so he throws his guy open.

As time goes on, though, I can't help but like Wilson more and more; I think he's done quite a bit to help his stock during this week. His interviews have been solid (and genuine) and I've read reports that his progress has been noticeable throughout the week of practice. If his intelligence and ability to learn continue to show signs of strength, I believe that he has the physical tools to be worth the top pick.

His relatively small hands worried me at first, but others in this thread have said that his fumble count was low (and I was unable to find an exact number myself). I don't worry much about him fumbling the ball frequently if he managed to hang onto it behind Arkansas' nasty 2012 line. It will be interesting to see what he does during the game.