Red devil helped m out by supplying the link to Bz1.com's map downloads section. Currently I'm awaiting response from the admins to see if my account at the site is still able to be logged in,for other needs, I have a strong pet peeve of creating new accounts at sites I already have registered it feels wrong as cyberwaste and information leak..but apparently you don't have to be logged in to download maps on that site so I got GetArkin plus some others I remember liking and some I never tried yet. Thanks for the links AHadley. BZscrap is one of the oldest and most awesome! and still ticking I see. I wonder how many clicks it gets a month..I saw it was having funding issues recently..I was scared because I couldn't do anything to help. I hope the admins can make it self sustaining/profitable so that its domain can autorenew.. Is Squirrelof9 a member of this forum?

he should affiliate with ads if he has the traffic but that won't guarantee profits and I myself (if it were my site wouldn't want to have to change anything to conform with ad politics (like adsense used to have at least when I was about to try to join) and theres not much point if theres not enough traffic base..i suppose he figures as long as there is an interest in bz people will donate and when there isn't enough to maintain the donations that means people have lost interest and it wouldn't matter..but thats not necessarily going to be entirely true..I was thinking more off site linking type stuff though so i guess i didn't mean self sustaining in the strictest sense.