yeah there are a lot of things (bad) that happen in this game that will test your overall patience. hopefully with the DLC that comes out there will be another major patch that fixes a lot of issues that been happening. We just have to pray that the things they patch and fix dont turn around and break other things like in the previous patches!

Exactly. seems like they "fix" it, forget to test it, and it breaks again a few days later. We are al experiencing Alpha testing. Clearly they don't do it. Beta is bad but the front lines like we are seeing... worse. Nothing about this game should be live right except a solo, non-mmo playthrough. There are hundreds of MMOs on PC couldn't they have taken even one page from their notes. Frustrating as can be.

I hate to say it but Destiny is going to blow the socks right off this disappointing mess. Day One XBox Preorder and waiting...

Who cares about destiny? Now that they've announced the elder scrolls online for Xbox one I actually have a reason to get it. Destiny will just be a memory once ESO is released. I hope we have some real mmo players that will be joining me in the Aldmeri dominion.

i dunno man if destiny is the one being made by bungie that i am going with that game FTW. Only reason i have high hopes for it is because it is being made by the biggest DEV team to ever work on a single game and i mean c'mon its BUNGIE! as long as they dont sell out the right to it, it will be fine.

Now thats said lets get back on topic or start a new thread in off-topic!! lol

Destiny isn't really a full MMO, supposedly. I don't think you will be able to play with huge numbers of other people like Defiance. It does look beautiful and I will definitely be getting it. Elder Scrolls also looks awesome. Both will be coming to both consoles, and I am seriously considering jumping to the darkside (Sony) for the next gen. I hate Kinect and hate being forced to buy one.