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Dickie Scarborough, He took Dave's bike. That started alot of shit. Dave's dead now. What happen to my friend Freddy, His house burned down from the woodstove or the candles all a round. What about Tim?

back in the '60's seem to remember large Pagan contingent hung out at the pizza joint at Fairfax Circle, the recently departed Pizzarama, and sometimes at the burger King up towards Kamp Washington that was 40 years ago

Pagans MC still exist. A few Pagans MC will be attending an event called: The Richard King Memorial Chili/Cook-Off in a small town called: Clifton, VA. It is going to be hosted by someone who used to be in the Pagans MC of Fairfax, VA. This will be an all-day event until sun-down. Date of the event: September 5TH, 2011, Monday, Labor Day.

Tim tragically died instantly after impact with a vehicle. That was not his fault. This happened August 14TH, 2011, Saturday, 1:00AM.

Additional information about this coming Monday:

The Annual Clifton Car Show and The Richard King Annual Fireman's Chili Challenge. Live music, vendors, Car Show, Bike Show and lots more! Opens at 10:00am till 5:00pm. Registration at 7:00am for the Car and bike shows.

capt obvious Wrote:
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> MC 1% clubs....rank right up there with MS13 and
> all the other dumbasses that can't do shit on
> their own, and need a "gang" to be the bad
> guy.....pussies...

roy Wrote:
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> capt obvious Wrote:
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> > MC 1% clubs....rank right up there with MS13
> and
> > all the other dumbasses that can't do shit on
> > their own, and need a "gang" to be the bad
> > guy.....pussies...
>
> Aww did you get beat up by a biker?

Once I accidentally cut off this older guy on a Harley a few years ago and he gave me the middle finger. He had one of them 1% patches on his little leather vest. I swerved towards him and he ran off the road... didnt seem that tough to me!

Yes, they also controlled a lot of the meth market around Fairfax. In Clifton a Pagan's shed was surrounded by cops because he was making pcp in there. Pagans were some bad ass people! Back in the 70's or 80's they had stuff like Kill a Cop Day.

roy Wrote:
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> capt obvious Wrote:
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> > MC 1% clubs....rank right up there with MS13
> and
> > all the other dumbasses that can't do shit on
> > their own, and need a "gang" to be the bad
> > guy.....pussies...
>
> Aww did you get beat up by a biker?

motorcycle clubs are for fags and pussies...anyone see the Sopranos epsisode where Tony and Chris shoot those two Grizzly Adam looking motherfuckers who were part of the Vipers motorcycle club..LMAO ooooooo, the Vipers....I'm scared...ooooooo....hahaha bunch of GED, retarded Harley riding faggots

I'm not saying those outlaw bikers aren't some pretty rough dudes, but going against the Mafia they would be out-gunned, out-financed, etc. They might be able to make some trouble with a small outfit, but they're not going against any of the large families.

When people see "club colors" in bars, leave them alone. Clubs have specific rules of who they can allow in their social circles. It is best to mind your own business because, more often than not; they are talking "club business." Knowing it is not your business, do not include yourself out of the blue. It is considered "disrespect" to them. If you're uncomfortable around the club, finish your drink, whatever you're doing and leave. There's no sense in hanging around feeling anxious. If club members approach you for any reason, don't start mouthing off about other clubs. Why? It is a bad way to get an ass beating. Treat club members with respect and they will respect you back. Start anything that offends them, you're already in trouble. Take a swing at a club member because of whatever, you're toast and about to get your ass kicked. One swing will get the entire club after you. Simply point people: respect bikers or pay the price.

ClubColors Wrote:
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> When people see "club colors" in bars, leave them
> alone. Clubs have specific rules of who they can
> allow in their social circles. It is best to mind
> your own business because, more often than not;
> they are talking "club business." Knowing it is
> not your business, do not include yourself out of
> the blue. It is considered "disrespect" to them.
> If you're uncomfortable around the club, finish
> your drink, whatever you're doing and leave.
> There's no sense in hanging around feeling
> anxious. If club members approach you for any
> reason, don't start mouthing off about other
> clubs. Why? It is a bad way to get an ass beating.
> Treat club members with respect and they will
> respect you back. Start anything that offends
> them, you're already in trouble. Take a swing at a
> club member because of whatever, you're toast and
> about to get your ass kicked. One swing will get
> the entire club after you. Simply point people:
> respect bikers or pay the price.

Old Timer2 Wrote:
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> Who was the Pagan that lived in Stone Haven off
> Braddock Rd in Annandale in the 70’s? He worked
> as a janitor at that private catholic school on
> Braddock next to Stone Haven.

R You talkin about a nice guy that lived with his mom? I can't think of his name right now, but I don't think he was a real Pagan. Later in the 80's he was a car mechanic in D.C.

6X Wrote:
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> Old Timer2 Wrote:
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> > Who was the Pagan that lived in Stone Haven off
> > Braddock Rd in Annandale in the 70’s? He
> worked
> > as a janitor at that private catholic school on
> > Braddock next to Stone Haven.
>
>
> R You talkin about a nice guy that lived with his
> mom? I can't think of his name right now, but I
> don't think he was a real Pagan. Later in the 80's
> he was a car mechanic in D.C.

Probably, I knew his kid and he told me his dad was a Pagan if its the same guy, His dad had a black Harley and I remember seeing it in front of school when I went there. I know the kids grandma drove me back to school one day from the house to catch the bus so if this guy had a son then its probably him. I think the family worked for the school for years doing maintenance and possibly owning the buses.

The friend/associate of a Pagan was not a Pagan. He is survived by his older brother, who is a former Pagan. As I recall, both guys worked on houses putting down carpets down and other types of construction.

Dutch Burhans and Dickie Scarborough aren't role models, they're not even human they're cartoon. Some of the things they do may cause a person to get hurt, expelled, arrested, possibly deported. To put it another way don't try this at home.

Ok so were these Pagans (are they now defunct?) were they bad-ass? I mean I have seen MC gangs from the West Coast that looked ruthless and probably engaged in lye smoking.....but I never heard of theese dudes until recently, I have been here in the area for 12 years now.....whats the scoop?

chuckhoffmann Wrote:
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> Historcial Question Wrote:
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> > Ok so were these Pagans (are they now defunct?)
> > were they bad-ass? I mean I have seen MC gangs
> > from the West Coast that looked ruthless and
> > probably engaged in lye smoking.....but I never
> > heard of theese dudes until recently, I have
> been
> > here in the area for 12 years now.....whats the
> > scoop?
>
> Evidently, the Pagan's* are still an ongoing
> concern, according to the Wikipedia article about
> them. Being primarily a regional club, they don't
> quite have the media attention (and consequent
> mystique) that the much larger and better known
> Hells Angels Motorcycle Club does, but they're
> still up to all sorts of shenanigans.
>
> *This is the correct, incorrect spelling.

No. your wiki is wrong. They did their time and the business legit. Any new shit is not the original Pagans.

Yeah dutch and his buddy got blown away in lynnhurst apartments in 1980,no doubt about it. I was there soon after it happened and i was riding my sportster chopper ,so i got accused of being a pAgan among other things .I was 22 at the time.i'm not gonna name names.Dutch fucked up he brought pistols to a shotgun fight and got his buddy killed during the argument ,who had nothing to do with the illegal problem that was the subject of the entire episode..No charges were filed against the shooter.----------------Another subject unrelated to this... RIP to Timmy Hall, a tragic loss to a great guy with a helluva great sense of humor, among many other good attributes.Who left this world ridin his bike this August on a sat nite at 1 in the morning.

Historcial Question Wrote:
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> Ok so were these Pagans (are they now defunct?)
> were they bad-ass? I mean I have seen MC gangs
> from the West Coast that looked ruthless and
> probably engaged in lye smoking.....but I never
> heard of theese dudes until recently, I have been
> here in the area for 12 years now.....whats the
> scoop?

They were a bunch of white dudes from the 60s and 70s with long hair who would kick your fucking ass if you mouthed off to them.

I also know what 81 stands for too. PAGANS & HELLS ANGELS do not mix well. Instead, when the 2 clubs encounter each other, all HELL breaks lose. Someone or several bikers ends up getting seriously injured during violent fist-fights, hand-to-hand combat. Weapons are used unfortunatelly. I won't mention what kind of weapons are used. What it comes down to is TAKING CARE OF BUSINESS. Consequences can be minor to major and sometimes resulting in death.

Familiar with that TV SHOW, "GANGLAND"? Airs on the History channel. There was a documentary about "THE PAGANS" a few years back. That episode can be found on http://www.youtube.com/. That also gives society, the general public who are clueless about 1%ERs, a window into "THE PAGANS MC".

Well from someone who was there for a lot of the early stuff
Most of what has been written is less than facutal in fact way off the mark ~lol

Nobody even mentioned the pagan welded in the 55 gallon drum ~ in the Delaware river ~ oops

Apple became a preacher by the way that was sometime after the Falls Church
House with the monkey

Leon died prior to 1989 ~ don't remember the year ~
Don't know what happened to Greenwood but he ended up dave Chairs bike
Salty Dog is dead ~ was part of Tysons
Stringbean was still alive the last I heard but he was retired
Gabby is still alive, heard from him from time to time also retired
Gabby's ex-wife died a few years back in Winchester
Falcon is dead in 1989
Don't know what happened to the Doc to the Pagans ~ Doctor Dave Chairs or his old lady Bonnie ~ he did own land in Columbia ~ but who knows ~ He is a story in himself
Don't know what happened to Dicky but I still have a purse he made in Prison
remember how he was shot in the mouth by the Pagan's while in prison

The pagans were real active in No VA in 1997-1999 ~ there was a major bust in Woodbrige, Arlington, NJ and a few other places ~ guess some have gotten out by now

ClubColors Wrote:
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> When people see "club colors" in bars, leave them
> alone. Clubs have specific rules of who they can
> allow in their social circles. It is best to mind
> your own business because, more often than not;
> they are talking "club business." Knowing it is
> not your business, do not include yourself out of
> the blue. It is considered "disrespect" to them.
> If you're uncomfortable around the club, finish
> your drink, whatever you're doing and leave.
> There's no sense in hanging around feeling
> anxious. If club members approach you for any
> reason, don't start mouthing off about other
> clubs. Why? It is a bad way to get an ass beating.
> Treat club members with respect and they will
> respect you back. Start anything that offends
> them, you're already in trouble. Take a swing at a
> club member because of whatever, you're toast and
> about to get your ass kicked. One swing will get
> the entire club after you. Simply point people:
> respect bikers or pay the price.

Get a life. I've seen bikers(plural) get their asses kicked by a bunch of yuppie dudes in a bar wearing CAPS jerseys.

So I guess the moral of the story is don't fuck with CAPS fans if you see them in a bar. The one biker got beat down bad!

Remember a lot of bikers have records and don't want their asses arrested or dealing with the police.

Looked at the website
The pics after the info about Timmy, who died did not load
but I looked other pictures ~ the peope there are years younger
than me ~ I remember both the Annandale Grill and the Sunset Grill (it was Tom Weston's, then it became the Sunset Grill ~ but I don't know anybody in their pics on the WNC website
I do know Alias (I guess it is the same Alias) he is still in Springfield,Va as far as I know ~ last saw him about 1 1/2 yrs ago ~ he was a 1% er but not a Pagan in his younger days now retired from that club
I split from NO VA ~ about 1999 and moved to the country in Central VA
There were a number people who hung around Falcon's House in Burke (Pagan),
Some who come to mind are: Fat Albert, CG (died), BF, Nose, Freddy Fuckles (died)
then later after Falcon retired ~ he became a member of the Free Brotherhood Church, some of those people were Fuzzy (whereabout unknown by all), Ajax, Zulo, Scrounge, Butt Fuck (has had a stroke)
I am from the time frame of the Pimmet Hills fame in Falls church, the Pagan House in Burke, the one that burned,...
then there was a time I was in southern VA for years with my ex ~ President of yet another club ~ knew a lot of people down that way but not Pagans
then back in No Va after I left him ~
time frame I bought my first HD in 1967 ~ 1963FL ~ so been ridin nearly 50 yrs
Old School

1%er Wrote:
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> Hey 81 supporter, how about John's Place at 8:00pm
> Wednesday Nov 2nd. I'll be there! or should I say
> Officer. Have a nice night!

I'll be there bitch, me and my boys will teach you a lesson. Never fuck with the best! You'll just die tired!

There are two types of bikers, yuppie weekend wannabes and real, unemployed dirtbags. The former are not worth discussing. The latter may start out all full of noble, freedom loving, wind in the hair idealism. Soon enough, they get hungry. Eating requires money...an this is where the meth cooking, hos and criminal activity come in. Not sure who thinks any of this silliness is cool, hip, or tough. I just think of bikers as hobos who happen to ride a big machine...they are a far cry from the returning WWII fighter pilots who founded MCs in the late 40s out of boredom with society. Would I fuck with em? Nope. Nor do I fuck with anyone I don't know, cause all people can be dangerous mofos.

I am told that "dirty colors" or even a "bad smell" on a biker can often be due to it generally being considered bad form to wash or clean your "colors", or club insignia since these represent your history with the club. this varies from club to club.

I'm honestly just curious if this is true and at what point (if this is true) does a biker eventually wash his colors/insignia when the smell/dirt becomes too much even for him?

I remember when I was a kid we would go visit my grandparents in Woodbridge and on the corner of what is now the Prince William Pkwy and Route 1 there was an old house that was run down and looked like it was abandoned. I think it used to be the corner of Longview and Route 1 but that area has changed so much I'm not sure, there is a bank there now. Anyway, I remember that whenever we passed by that place there were always motorcycles parked out in the front and there seemed to always be a bonfire going and a bunch of people hanging around drinking. I was told that the Pagans hung out at that place and not to go messing around or snooping over there because those people did not want to be bothered. I'm just wondering if my parents made that up to keep me away from the place or if the Pagans really did hang out there?

Sorry if I confused you ~ Fat Albert is fine
Turtle is fine also
It was CG who died some years back (lived in Burke on the curve) then a million other places ~ even Nelson Co.
Falcon's brother Jimmy died recently, as did his sister Sandy's husband, also his sister Lynn has passed
Monk is still alive and doing better
The last I heard Citizen was ok maybe in FL but that has been a while
Wild Dog passed away in 1990

moonshine Wrote:
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> Hey Biker Bitch,
>
> Where was the house in in Burke? Is it the same
> place that the black girl was raped and the Klan
> shot up? Was it on Burke Station Road or Guinea
> Rd? I'm fuzzy in the brain.

The name of the road has changed as the area was turned into subdivisions
it is now Guinea Rd but back then it was Twinbrook Road and it was near Ruffiner's riding stables (Patty's Stables) The path and names of several roads in that area have changed.

The black girl was raped there
but it was not the KKK who did the shooting~
those people do did do the shooting shall remain nameless
just one of those things hope you understand

Biker Bitch Wrote:
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> To 6X
> Anyone remember Crazy Mike
>
> I knew a Crazy Mike very well but he was not a
> pagan
> never did tatoos while I knew him
>
> He was the president of the mother chapter
> (woodbridge) of the CA's
> but I have not heard from him since 1974

Probably not the same Crazy Mike. The one I knew lived @ the corner of Rt 1 & Backlick Rd.in a small house in the back. He committed suicide around 1985 or 1986.

All they want to do is belong together as FAMILY!!! The men T.C.B.!!! A.K.A...TAKING CARE OF BUSINESS!!! The OL'Ladies take care of their OL'Men!!! The children...well, they learn from their OL'School parents who are bikers to act, dress, talk and live the biker's way of life. It ain't no weekend thing!!!

No you wern't pussy. Unless you never identified yourself to me or any of my Brothers. You must have driven a cage as well because I didn't see any other scoots besides ours in the lot. Did you park your honda behind the restaurant??

A.F.F.A. number one real HA is not going to be playing stupid games like you are.
Number two, yes I was there and you were not.This is the last response you will get from me because this is kid shit. Anybody who hangs out at John's Place already knows who I am. Been going there for 30 years son. Now go on back and let mommy change to panty's. By the way there was NO HA colors there.

Biker Bitch Wrote:
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> Bronson Wrote:
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> > Oh yes, those memories of raping
> someone...class
>
>
> She and girl friends came to the house to party
> They wanted to party
> party remorse does not equal rape

Unless you have a shovel and can dig up Johnny Cochrane, the law thinks otherwise.

Dirty Mike's doing a dime down at Wallens Ridge for carnal knowledge of a farm animal. Squirrel got run over by a bread truck last spring and had to get both legs amputated. He blew his brains out a couple of months later. Nasty stuff.