INSIDER: Take on Moving DJ

Sean Deveney of SportingNews.com reports that issues between DeAndre Jordan and coach Vinny Del Negro could lead the Los Angeles Clippers to deal the big man prior to the trade deadline.
"Del Negro and Jordan have frequently clashed over playing time, the source said, and there is a chance he could be moved before Thursday's deadline for a veteran big man, even if it is not in a deal for Garnett," he wrote. "Before the Cleveland Cavaliers' Anderson Varejao got injured,....

Vinny is a seat warmer and needs to work with Dj on a solution. Can't stand this situation

FightOnRon

02/17/2013 - 06:18 PM PST

CTB MVP X2

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Agreed. the team is the best I have ever witnessed for the CLips, they are clicking, they are winning,,,,so let's start the fights between the team, the coach and the FO. What is wrong with these people???
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Its easy to see why they would have a problem. Dj is a good player who is getting less minutes for lamar who hasnt done much but rebound and defend. Deandre can do those things just as good while having a some what of a presence on the offensive end. He deserves more minutes and its a shame he doesnt get them. i understand becuase of Deandre free throw percentage VDn takes him out. Well....

Both parties are at fault. Vinny is a bonehead with rotations and doesn't reward Jordan when he DOES play great. Jordan on the other hand is at fault for being such a liability at the free throw line, inconsistent defensively and committing very costly plays regularly. Not to mention he only really shows up once every 5-10 games.
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I hold DJ at fault here, he's a miniature Dwight Howard, and I'd rather trade him than have him start a dwightmare here. let's face it, this is like his 6th year in the league, his free throws are still TERRIBLE, his post game has Faded, and he's not a good defender. We're paying him tooooooooo much for what we're getting. If we payed him less, that would be ok since he has so much athleticism, but that's pretty much....

I hold DJ at fault here, he's a miniature Dwight Howard, and I'd rather trade him than have him start a dwightmare here. let's face it, this is like his 6th year in the league, his free throws are still TERRIBLE, his post game has Faded, and he's not a good defender. We're paying him tooooooooo much for what we're getting. If we payed him less, that would be ok since he has so much athleticism, but that's pretty much....

The disdain for Kenyon Martin was 100% justified, and anyone who thinks VDN, or anyone other than Kenyon Martin, was at fault in that wasn't watching very closely. Martin is a cancer, and that's why he's essentially done as a player. I would not be surprised if eventually some playoff team picks him up for a few months, but I seriously doubt he ever gets paid more than the vet min again, or even ever gets a long term....

If Vinny decided to play DJ every end of the 4th quarter I don't know our winning standing now,DJ should workout his liabilities on his game he is now 5th or 6 the year in the league until now he is still learning the basic of the game.It is not the job of the team to fix his liabilities,paying millions of dollars and this kind of thing the Clippers get.
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He does well when he plays 30+ mins. 6 out of the 8 times he's played that many minutes he's averaged in double figures in both scoring and rebounding. Plus his FT% has been at least .500 in 6 out of 8. He needs to play more IMO.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request= 1&player_id=jordade01&match=game&year_min=2013&year_max=2013&age_min=0 &age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=N&round_is_ec1=Y&round_is_ecs =Y&round_is_ecf=Y&round_is_wc1=Y&round_is_wcs=Y&round_is_wcf=Y&round_i s_fin=Y&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_lo cation=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_G=&pos_is_G F=&pos_is_F=&pos_is_FG=&pos_is_FC=&pos_is_C=&pos_is_CF=&c1stat=mp&c1co mp=gt&c1val=30&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4sta t=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pts
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Its easy to see why they would have a problem. Dj is a good player who is getting less minutes for lamar who hasnt done much but rebound and defend. Deandre can do those things just as good while having a some what of a presence on the offensive end. He deserves more minutes and its a shame he doesnt get them. i understand becuase of Deandre free throw percentage VDn takes him out. Well....

There's a reason why DJ doesn't get many minutes people. VDN may be gone soon, but DJ needs to be traded for a better C.

He does well when he plays 30+ mins. 6 out of the 8 times he's played that many minutes he's averaged in double figures in both scoring and rebounding. Plus his FT% has been at least .500 in 6 out of 8. He needs to play more IMO.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request= 1&player_id=jordade01&match=game&year_min=2013&year_max=2013&age_min=0 &age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=N&round_is_ec1=Y&round_is_ecs =Y&round_is_ecf=Y&round_is_wc1=Y&round_is_wcs=Y&round_is_wcf=Y&round_i s_fin=Y&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_lo cation=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_G=&pos_is_G F=&pos_is_F=&pos_is_FG=&pos_is_FC=&pos_is_C=&pos_is_CF=&c1stat=mp&c1co mp=gt&c1val=30&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4sta t=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pts

^ and have hollins be the starter and turiaf back him up? no thanks. i rather have DJ here

chonkyfire24

02/18/2013 - 03:47 PM PST

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we'll just play super small. As long as DJ"s FT shooting continues to be atrocious, he will be a liability. I really don't understand what's so hard about making ft's either.. it's the simplest, most basic skill in basketball.
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There's a reason why DJ doesn't get many minutes people. VDN may be gone soon, but DJ needs to be traded for a better C.

He does well when he plays 30+ mins. 6 out of the 8 times he's played that many minutes he's averaged in double figures in both scoring and rebounding. Plus his FT% has been at least .500 in 6 out of 8. He needs to play more IMO.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request= 1&player_id=jordade01&match=game&year_min=2013&year_max=2013&age_min=0 &age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=N&round_is_ec1=Y&round_is_ecs =Y&round_is_ecf=Y&round_is_wc1=Y&round_is_wcs=Y&round_is_wcf=Y&round_i s_fin=Y&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_lo cation=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_G=&pos_is_G F=&pos_is_F=&pos_is_FG=&pos_is_FC=&pos_is_C=&pos_is_CF=&c1stat=mp&c1co mp=gt&c1val=30&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4sta t=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pts

Odom is currently shooting 44% from the line (albeit he doesn't go there very often), and he's shooting under 40% from the field. Where's the hate for him?
Our defensive woes haven't been from getting destroyed inside, we can't stop the 3-ball. And last I checked, Deandre's job isn't to cover perimeter players. DJ still has a lot of improvement to do (which is good, that means our current core can get even better), but I don't view him as a....

Odom is currently shooting 44% from the line (albeit he doesn't go there very often), and he's shooting under 40% from the field. Where's the hate for him?
Our defensive woes haven't been from getting destroyed inside, we can't stop the 3-ball. And last I checked, Deandre's job isn't to cover perimeter players. DJ still has a lot of improvement to do (which is good, that means our current core can get even better), but I don't view him as a....

Lately I agree Odom is nearly as much of a liability as DJ, especially at the free throw line and scoring wise. Thing is Odom's a better defender and SIGNIFICANTLY better rebounder this year. How many times does Odom get 10 rebounds in 20 minutes or less this year? He's averaging 7 boards a game off the bench and his rebounding rates are nice.
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My mistake I thought Odom was average 7 in less minutes, not 6. Regardless PER 36 nearly the same and rebound rate nearly identical as well. I suppose I'd just trust Odom far more to get a needed rebound and he seems more consistent with it. So I still think Odom is the better rebounder despite the numbers, although these numbers prove that it's not fair for me to act like there is a noticeable gap.
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Odom is currently shooting 44% from the line (albeit he doesn't go there very often), and he's shooting under 40% from the field. Where's the hate for him?
Our defensive woes haven't been from getting destroyed inside, we can't stop the 3-ball. And last I checked, Deandre's job isn't to cover perimeter players. DJ still has a lot of improvement to do (which is good, that means our current core can get even better), but I don't view him as a....

Thats probably the one thing about VDN I can't stand. His love fest with Odom. Odom shoots Fts just as poorly this season and he plays down the stretch even when DJ plays well and Odom plays poorly. It just doesn't make sense and now all this talk about VDN pushing to trade DJ.... DJ has not met my expectations but I think his lack of playing time has stunted his growth a bit and lowered his confidence.
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^ and have hollins be the starter and turiaf back him up? no thanks. i rather have DJ here

we'll just play super small. As long as DJ"s FT shooting continues to be atrocious, he will be a liability. I really don't understand what's so hard about making ft's either.. it's the simplest, most basic skill in basketball.

we will get pounded inside like the heat do when they face the pacers. shooting ft's seem easy, but if ur mind is not....

My mistake I thought Odom was average 7 in less minutes, not 6. Regardless PER 36 nearly the same and rebound rate nearly identical as well. I suppose I'd just trust Odom far more to get a needed rebound and he seems more consistent with it. So I still think Odom is the better rebounder despite the numbers, although these numbers prove that it's not fair for me to act like there is a noticeable gap.

First we need to offload DJ as soon as possible. He will be impossible to trade soon - a guy who does nothing for 10 mil. a year is not exactly attractive to other teams. If we can insist whoever wants Bledsoe needs to take DJ as well, that would be amazing! When we are done with that problem and depending on the outcome of the season we could consider letting VDN go!
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DJ and Vinny clashing shouldn't alarm anybody. As great as the team chemestry has been, no one's perfect. I'm pretty sure there's been occasions that individuals have been at eachother's throats. As for DJ, what do we have to hate DJ for? Because he's a poor freethrow shooter and he's not living up to his contract? First of all, it's pretty common that big men struggle with freethrows. And DJ's contract is the STANDARD for an athletic center. Don't....