@griz Fuck metabolization, I’m talking about simple digestion & the fact that there’s not enough water to process the fiber which leads to dysentery & dehydration which will kill you before fucking fruit sugar.

@luftballooneyegouge I clearly said, and meant, “metabolize”. but even if one wants to say “digestion”, one doesn’t digest insoluble fiber. It just passes through undigested cleaning you out as it goes. Do you really not know what makes you give a shit?

You would live longer if the hypothalamic hunger sub-personality was damaged or turned off — perhaps 45 days. Mental capacity would be severely handicappedafter 25 to 30 days.

Without a thirst sub-personality mental capacity would be seriously handicapped in 2 to 3 days, and irreversible (fatal) in 3-5.

(If you’re unsure what sub-personality” means, think of it like a minion. Behavioral psychologists have discovered these things are far too complex, living and active to be called “drives”, “programs” or “motivators”. )

@griz it’s a thought experiment to see what’s most important Also a comparison between Scar from the lion king and Jesus. One offers freedom from hunger, the other freedom from thirst. Neither promise is fulfilled.

@Jear77 Then as I said, thirst would be the more important one to preserve. But it is very hard to disentangle the two, because digestion requires water.

So in any thought experiment one needs to examine not just meaning and intent of the question, but exactly what Fantasy Realm is being proposed we’re disentanglement of the two to select one over the other has any kind of realistic benefit. There comes a point where the abstraction is just so convoluted, it cannot be brought back to any kind of representation of anything remotely real. It becomes little more than a mental masturbation.

Last I checked Jesus was not in The Lion King. But Mufassa (iirc) was a fair stand-in of the wise King and and hero sacrificing his life to save his child, the heir of the Kingdom.

Scar (iirc) was the archetypal Dragon of Chaos, the trickster, the manipulator, The Deceiver.

@Jear77 That’s one of the shakier ideas you’ve postulated! Care to fold in the”thirst no more” aspect of what Jesus said?

One dynamic religion [conveniently] overlooks is the total fulfilling of an Old Covenant, and the writing of a New Covenant.

“Old” and “New” actually mean something! Consider that a huge part of the religion disconnect, is that they are still just clinging to the Old . . . Or more accurately just two parts of it.

And hoping that somehow their works will be credited to them as righteousness. But even the Old Covenant doesn’t say this. (It was there faith that was credited to them as righteousness not their works.)

@luftballooneyegouge These primitive sub-personalities are housed in the hypothalamus, with access to the emotion center of the amygdala, and moderated by the hippocampus. They are directly connected to the ultra-primitive ascending reticulated activation centre where the brain meets the spine. This gives them “hot-line” permission to wake up any and all resources that may be “slumbering”. But these sub-personalities are also mapped into the mid and higher cortical functions, with the ability to alter perceptions and even override higher cortical functions like morality.

This is actually backed by hard science. You may be thinking of some of the more dodgy interpersonal feel-good pseudo-disciplines?

@Jear77 The last time you did a religious fast did your senses “fool” you or did they sharpen and focus on the most important issues?

Even if you never experienced one first-hand use your head for something other than just a hat rack. How foolish an evolutionary adaptation would it be for the hunger sub-personality to trigger mental confusion and untrustworthy perceptions??

@griz oh, i do without proper nourshiment readily enough, but then i run on mints (in a job where you talk with people fresh breath is VITAL). If you’re fasting, your body burns fat, which makes your breath horrendous.

The “Wintermint” is a powerful one that still has breath-freshening ability an hour or more later. The Peppermint one is good too, just not as powerful or long-lasting. They don’t turn into “monkey-shit” in your mouth like some other gums can.

@luftballooneyegouge It’s contrasted against just a program or a process that is basically unliving. We’ve accepted the pop notion that our brains are just big supercomputers which they are not.

A sub-personality is something that is alive. It has “a personality”, changeable within certain parameters, with a unique set of perspectives, meanings, reactions, moralities — all as subsets of your grand overarching personality. They can and often do hold some of the darker more primitive aspects of your nature than you might want to own.

Modern science currently accepts as fact that these primitive essential “circuits” (but more than just unliving circuits or programs) are initiated in the hypothalamus. Or roughly just half of it; with the other half apparently dedicated to exploration unto satiating these primitive sub-personalities. (Nietzsche visualize them as “critters”. “Minions” is also a workable analogy). Sock puppet is not a good analogy because it presumes total conscious (ego) control.

Scientists have experimented by removing the cortex of cats and leaving them just their hypothalamus. They become very much like a two year old child: hyper exploratory, with thought and action flitting from the control of one primitive sub-personality to another.

@Jear77 Do you remember how I mentioned several times that you’ve never set aside religious thinking, and that you’ve just swapped religions? “Thus saith “The Study””, and you’d best just take it on faith?

All ideologies, whether nested in something Transcendent or secular, can and most frequently are taken as religions. People find some element of them “salvational”. And from there it is just a short step to something akin to “worship”. The ideologies becomes sacred; something to be defended and perhaps even preached. Heresy against accepted doctrine, tumbles the whole house of cards. One is a trapped ideologue. Jear, you know and understand this process I speak of.

But if one is not an ideologue, they can be a free thinker. Not being trapped within an ideology means one is free to explore and ponder ALL things.