We publish today all the lettters from the GMB union about the Unite leadership's attempts to de-recognise the GMB for Unite emplotyees.

4th August, click here "I am writing to make clear that any attempt to derecognise the GMB will be fiercely resisted by this Union and our members working for Unite. We believe that the [proposals are a direct attack on the GMB and we will not take part in any ballot or give any credibility to proposals which are a blatant attempt to derecognise the GMB."

8th September, click here"The GMB is not going to take part in a beauty contest with a staff association over representation rights. This goes against core trade union principles and our members are rightly outraged that you are proposing such a contest."

Throughout this whole de recognition debate, Unite management have attempted to “muddy” the waters. Thanks www.dearunite for posting these letters , which clearly show Unites true intensions. Our leadership should hang their heads in shame!

I agree with the sentiments, but can I ask you to clear one thing up. The letter refers to “Unites attempt”. This is not Unites attempt. I am a Unite member, but this shower doesn't speak for or represent me, and I do not support their stance on this issue. So can you in future refer to them as Unite Senior Management team or specifically name them and their job titles? I know the words management and team is alien to them, but this is nothing to do with Unite members, staff, reps or officers who are in the main Unite

comrades,lets get these scum corrupt leaders out by vote of no confidence now,,lets stick together and do it,,,lets round them up,,put then in a field,,and bomb the bastards,,,these are my opinions and my true beliefs

You all seem to miss the point about this derecognition. It isn't about the GMB. It is about Amicus.

The former TGWU had a staff association and its leadership was close to Mcluskey and Woodley, one of its officers was based in the Liverpool office. Amicus had an independent union for the staff, the GMB, with some of them represented by an old EETPU branch called EESSA.

By derecognising the GMB, the TGWU leadership will force former Amicus staff to bolt themselves on to the side of the existing TGWU staff association. Its leaders will continue in office and will do little to protect or support ex-Amicus staff as their pay is cut, their conditions cut and they are moved to positions of lower responsibility, which is what is happening to all former Amicus employees with the odd exception.

This is not a political move it is all about tribalism. Everything has been about tribalism right from the start for the TGWU in this rotten merger, the sooner you Amicus people wake up and see this the better.

As one of the previous contributors mentioned , UNITE management will “always try to MUDDY the waters” .

The statement above by Josephine Public is a perfect example of this . UNITE management and their stooges repeatedly give the example of the “former TGWU staff association” as an excuse to derecognise the GMB.

Let’s make it very clear . There are many GMB members ( Unite employees) who work as Staff, Officers and the Organisers . THIS IS NOT JUST AN EX-AMICUS ISSUE !

McCluskey and Woodley want to tighten their control over our union . Already , if your face don’t fit – you don’t last long .

If there’s ANYBODY out there who doubts this , ask Fletcher or McCluskey to provide details on the amount of grievances and disciplinaries which have been conducted ( Unite employees) over the last five years. You also might want to check how many Organisers have been “let go” over this period . I think the figures will shock you!!!!

It can ages for dearunite.com to prepare stories we have to check them for libel etc please can you give us an embargoed outline and we will respect the embargo date. And confidentiality. email david@dearunite.com

Josephine public is right. It is about attacking Amicus. Attacking its people, their terms, conditions and their workplaces. They have done Hayes Court and you watch the next thing they will do is sell Esher Place

more bullying from the hit squad ring up reps 2 twice a week . outlook full access to be given to RCO and all officers 2 ring the RCO 3 time a week and give a report on the 100% targets also a full report on all work that the officers have done in the last 3 months to be produced for Regional sec who in term will report to the death squad time for a change off job

OOo, touched a nerve have we....It doesn't matter what group, faction or former section you come from, any of them would be able to see what it is happening here. If “they” are coming together, and I say if they are, what does it say about this leadership when it can piss off so many diverse groups? Our union is full of talented and different people, and so what if they have different views to each other? That's what makes a union, what doesn't make a union is dictators, bullies and a "consultant" on 20k a year after taking a package. Now that's what I call feeding from a trough. Desperate no, I think its quite exciting as I can see a movement growing, so beware those that are close to the Mafia bullying others, what goes around comes around.

THE REVELATIONS,will be in the media soon,fletcher has been a bad bad boy and will answer for his crimes ,or another pay off coming up,lol,,,i am going to blow the unite wham boys to the masses to the public been a officer for 26 years and had enough of the mafia corrupt ways,got proof that will make ledgends

i have so much to tell the media,,been to loads of units leaving doos,,,no expence spared,,,hang your heads in shame ,,not just mc cluskey ,woodleyb,ray fletcher especially ,but alot of unites officers jumping on the club tropicana freebee mafia,,,i am going to set up a company to end all your corruption,and going to set up a just union ,named fleetwood uk

Anon@9.10. No nerve touched. Just heard it all before. Imaginary revelations cooked up with imaginary friends. a load of rubbish. You just hate it because your man lost and you cant now set up a EETPU mark 2 to protect your own privileges!! Altogether now, aahhhhh, shame!!

How sad. Deflection, deflection deflection...This is not about what man or woman that lost in an election. This is not about EETPU, AEU, GPMU, UNIFI, MSF OR TGWU. This is about now. Its about a senior management team in Unite, including the chair of the EC who must know about what's going on, who are trying to de-recognise a bargaining group for the purpose of eroding terms and conditions. All this against a backdrop of an ex GS who goes out with 500k and another taking a package whilst the senior management team find the money to employ that same person as a consultant. I don't care about revelations, I assume that any will be defended when leaked and if not, those accused will, as usual,“move on” or those accusing will face a legal challenge or suspension. Finally, see the letters above...they aren't imaginary.

comrades,hear hear with above,how many members are they losing to gmb,its backfired so ray fletcher will be paid off at 68 with a golden electric scooter for all his good work for the union,,it makes me sick

if you had any brains you would know we have to try for a compromise agreement before we resort to going to the media,pretend allegations you tosser if you anything of working or the goings on at unite you would know there is nothing pretend going on,its run on mafia guidelines

the other year 2 ladies who worked for unite for over 13 years but where put on when 65 as temp workers fulltime under manpower where told there services where not needed anymore for no reason and where replaced the next day by 2 ex british airways staff ,,,thats how unite works if you work for unite you have no rights at all and keep your head down for fear of being the next to go

Yeah, its true, they are now attacking the ULO's. Its gone completely over their heads that these ULO's and the ULR's are really good organisers themselves as they build membership upon education and learning agreements. I would much rather have a learning organiser or LR increasing membership on something positive and sustainable, rather than one off conflict issues. Its sad, really sad...

The point about putting 7 million into a strike fund is a good one for two reasons. The first is that McCluskey/Fletcher are saying that there is no money and that's why they have no other choice but to erode terms and conditions. The second is what comes after the 30th? How much will "that" cost? And what other terms, conditions, jobs, and buildings will they attack/sell to fund it?

As I understand it ULR courses will still be run via Unite Education that will not change with regards on-going support this will be Self Employed staff or Contractors if you like some will be the staff that are in exsitance as of now and want Self Employement on reduced Terms and conditions and the the rest is anyones guess

If they are anything like this Fletcher Guy they will not have a trade Union bone in their body.

The members I have spoken to are saying that this Union needs to take a long hard inward look at its self.

I have met some brilliant supportive ULO's and it would be a shame if they were to leave ! our loss someone elses gain

how the hell mc cluskey,fletcher and there solicitor pinda sleep on a night i do not know,,they are bringing the union down between them ,,its about time there dealings where put into the media,and not left behind payoffs and threats to unites employees,i am ashamed to work for unite its so corrupt

A couple of SULO's went out for a drink came back worse for wear one decided to throw a chair it is alledged off a balcony or at a guest . I hear he was kicked out the hotel and duly suspeneded after they found him.

comrades our union could save a fortune by having its own in house legal team,and stop filling the pockets of mr pindar and his wham boys at ead solicitors,,back hander bridgade,,these are my opinions and not those of dear unite

where are the united left in all this?Would the gazzette group have said nothing about the current state off the union ? Mayer the so called man off the left where are you The union talks left but is a bunch off right wing self interested bastard who care nothing for the members time for a new grouping the members must take control back roll on the next GS election

Its great isn't it. They can try and force the learning organisors to go self employed and yet they can find the money for other things. Can anyone confirm that Woodley may have had a two years salary pay off? And that it may have been paid AFTER he stood down so it wouldn't be shown as a payment to the GS?

Because they operate like the mafia, and they don't give a dam. They can find 9k extra a year backdated for two years for their own organising team leaders whilst attacking former Amicus LO's. Equal treatment doesn't matter to them, come on EC, stand up and be counted on this issue!!

The former T/G section sub contracted all it work to their learning organizers in effect they were self employed workers saving on pension contribution ans also ensuring that they could get rid off anybody who upset the leadership The former Amicus people Were fully employed paid pension and enjoyed the same rights as other members off staff We are a trade union and we should treat people respect so on that bases we should employee people full time

So are you saying these people have been employed by Amicus/Unite and are now being told to go onto self employed contracts? And that ex T&G are on s/e contracts? In the Amicus case they can't change contracts without the staff's consent. S/E of course makes life a lot harder!

I asked before whatever happened to the united left on there web site M MAYER email address's is still got T/G martin.tgw910@talktalk.net do this group ever meet in Yorkshire or is it a secret club or if did meet is Mayer frighted about how might turn up ? History has a strange habit off biting you on the arse a battle may have been lost but the war still goes on

All this stuff about Fletcher got me thinking. He leaves in March 2012, so who is replacing him? I found out its someone called Maria King. Now the question is "who is Maria King?" Surely its not the same Maria King that left her 100k HR post at Islington Council through mutual agreement in Feb 2010...? Hmmmmmmmmm...............

I can't f'ing believe it...just google Maria King Islington Council and read the reports...Out of all the HR reps out there looking for work, why pick that one? On the other hand, that's a stupid question isn't it, as people appoint in their own image. Enough said.

maria king was suspended from islington council after loads of senior staff resigned over her bullying and harrasment towards them in dec 09,she left feb 2010 through mutual agreement,,,you cannot make it up unite the union employing someone like that ,,is this a sign of things to come .

Excuse me, but I wish to raise an objection on the behalf of the RSBMTD, Royal Society for Bull Mastiffs with Tooth Decay. I think its really disappointing that you suggest Fletcher's breath is like one of our dogs, they are certainly not that bad.

The house is the property off the union Simpson got the same deal as woodley got the difference wooddley took his money and continued to work so in effect he is worst in that he remains on the pay roll been paid mega buck for doing nowt.the merger agreement said he would leave the union on his 64 birthday As for Davison ihave no idea i suggest you ask his mate woodhouse

I have to tell you nobody is reading these comments any more except me and you, and me only because I run the site. Because commentators on this story are now so rare, although you are anonymous I now know which town you live in from my stats and the time of the comment. Why don't you have a rest and just send me all you have and I'll write it up.