One might think Bohdan had something against Islam. What about cultural imperialism? Chinese imperialism? Japanese imperialism? The imperialism of various central- and south-American ancient cultures and their imperialism? Zulu imperialism? Pre-Islamic middle-eastern and central Asian imperialism?--Olly 17:18, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

for the record i dont care about the religion of anyone. I think the article seems to imply that only Europe was imperialistic, when this is clearly not true.Bohdan

Fair enough. I think the point is that Europeans - particularly Britain, France and Holland - were just the "best" at it. And as Rob Pommer said, Europeans colonised in the name of the state or the ruler - much like the Chinese or the Japanese.--Olly 17:23, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

Im pretty sure we think the same thing. I have nothing against islam, i just mentioned it because of the Ottoman Empires name recognition and familiarity.Bohdan

Yeah Ok but then why not talk about Ottoman imperialism rather than Islamic? Personally I *do* have something against Islam, but the imperialism of Islam is not as important or far-reaching as that of Britain in particular, nor is it more important or far-reaching than that of many other cultures or "nations". I apologise for accusing you of anti-Islamism but you can see my point.--Olly 17:33, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

alright. i admit my mistake. i misspoke. I see your point. fine leave the article as is. I cant really argue can I? after all "the sun never set on the British empire" (this is a real quote, no?)Bohdan.

It is a real quote as far as I know, yes. And I guess it's true - the only problem area might have been across the Pacific between New Zealand and Canada, but since the sun shines on half the planet at once it's maybe not such an impressive claim as it might seem. Look, I'm not saying don't change the article. There is certainly a long history of imperialism around the world and Europe isn't the only guilty party. My point was just that any addition to the article shouldn't be limited to Islam. Feel free to talk about Islamic imperialism in Europe in the middle ages in the main article! but be aware that there are far more examples, and I would say that the USA's aggressive cultural imperialism is probably just as influential on the world today as any historic imperialism, and that the imperialism of, for example, certain Chinese emperors was just as far-reaching, relatively speaking, as any other.--Olly 17:50, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

agreed. but i dont want to change it now, do you? i'll do some research and attempt to change it later.Bohdan

I don't want to change it, no. But this is the point of the talk pages, no? thanks for your civility Bohdan :) --Olly 18:01, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

American Imperialism

Good and bad points of Imperialism

When we mention imperialism, we should not see it as always bad (as in "those dastardly Western imperialists", the British and Americans). Nor should we pretend it is always good: the Evil Empire of the Soviet Union comes to mind, along with the Japanese (esp. 1930-1945).

Did Roman Imperialism do more harm than good, or what? --Ed PoorTalk 13:22, 6 November 2010 (EDT)