Heck, I get nervous on first tees when random players are watching me.

Well, the OP didn't state that we'd be playing in The Masters. He said "Just Sunday course conditions, not pressure, tournament etc.... ". So, I take that to mean... you're playing on Augusta National set up for The Masters, but not in it. With that in mind, I was pretty close according to the posted chart. I still think I'd have a tough time with putting though and probably hover around 95.

Nerves, cameras, and people don't bother me. I'll golf just as poorly with or without. Some of my best shots have come under the most pressure. The fans lining the tee boxes for the first 50 yards probably wouldn't be safe though...;)

I said in my original question that we weren't talking about competition, pressure, tournament... That almost makes it impossible to estimate. I was looking for what you thought you would shoot with just the Sunday setup.

I said in my original question that we weren't talking about competition, pressure, tournament... That almost makes it impossible to estimate. I was looking for what you thought you would shoot with just the Sunday setup.

I don't know that I believe it. 137 slope with the tournament setup strikes me as awfully low...... The speed and contour of the greens, the elevation changes......I think it's harder than that for the mid-higher hcp player. Is green speed factored into slope computation? I really don't even think that I'd break 90 on average. Then again, for most of us schlubs, the back tees are going to take a lot of the trouble off the tee out of play.....

I don't know that I believe it. 137 slope with the tournament setup strikes me as awfully low...... The speed and contour of the greens, the elevation changes......I think it's harder than that for the mid-higher hcp player. Is green speed factored into slope computation?

The slope rating came from the guy who invented the Slope rating ( Dean Knuth ) - so I don't know what to tell you

This is what he took into account:

RATING AUGUSTA NATIONAL
Following the USGA formula for rating courses, I graded each hole at Augusta National for 10 obstacle factors on a scale of 0 to 10. The rating criteria:1. Topography. Difficulty of stance in the landing area and the vertical angle of shots to the green from the landing area. The par-4 11th, with a downhill stance and long downhill second shot, gets the highest rating, a 7.2. Fairway. The effective target size of the landing area with the hole length factored. The 465-yard 18th, with a full dogleg right that squeezes the landing area between large fairway bunkers to the left and trees to the right, also gets a 7 rating.3. Recoverability and rough. The par-3 12th rates highest with a 6. No U.S. Open rough at Augusta National keeps this rating category from being in the Open range of 7s to 9s.4. Out-of-bounds. Out-of-bounds or extreme rough near the landing area and green. Nothing higher than a 2.5. Water hazards. Difficulty of this hazard as it comes into play. The par-5 13th is an 8 with water running along the left, forcing drives toward the right trees. For those going for the green in two, there is a very difficult crossing stream that catches shots coming up short, and the green slopes toward the water and is squeezed by bunkers in the back.6. Trees. Strategic location of trees, size and height, and their effect on drives and approach shots. The 18th leads with a 7.7. Bunkers. Location, size, depth of bunkers relative to landing area and green target difficulty. The 18th again rates highest with a 7. The fairway bunkers on the left are forced into play by the dogleg and right-side trees. The approach from the deep fairway bunkers is a very difficult uphill shot, and the greenside bunkers are deep and strategically placed.8. Green target. Getting onto greens in regulation, affected by the size, firmness and shape of a green in relation to the length of the approach shot. A tie with 8s for the 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th and 18th holes. The greens have multiple small target areas depending on the hole placement, with difficult approach shots.9. Green surface. The slope, contour and speed of the green. This is one of the most notable features of the course during the Masters. Holes 1, 10, 11, 14, 15, 16, 17 and 18 all qualify as 9s with difficult hole placements, high contours and swift Stimpmeter speeds.10. Psychological. The mental effect on score created by very difficult obstacles near the target areas. Holes 1 and 18 are both 8s. The starting hole and the finishing hole always qualify for some values, but both of these par 4s have a collection of highly rated obstacles, giving an overall mental impact.

Wow, a lot of guys here would seem to score well at Augusta, off the masters tees, in tournament conditions, with thousands of people watching, and paired with professionals, broadcasted on live TV.

Sunday at the masters....

Did everyone forget those details?

Anyone over a 7 handicap would struggle to break 100.

See below - without all the added pressure/sit

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Originally Posted by Kieran123

Well that's boring!!!

Of course they would NEVER do it, but I think it would be hilarious television to have a foursome of 20 HCP golfers and let them play Augusta in tournament conditions, including a decent crowd. Imagine how hysterical it would be to see a slow-mo Peter Kostas analysis, pro-tracer, shot link, with a bunch of hacks out there. I would absolutely watch.

And I sold myself short! Apparently, Dean thinks I'd be good for a 90!!

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Originally Posted by Spyder

Well, the OP didn't state that we'd be playing in The Masters. He said "Just Sunday course conditions, not pressure, tournament etc.... ". So, I take that to mean... you're playing on Augusta National set up for The Masters, but not in it. With that in mind, I was pretty close according to the posted chart. I still think I'd have a tough time with putting though and probably hover around 95.

That's how I took it as well. If I have to factor in the crowd and pro playing partners in a tournament setup, there would be a snowball effect after I got to a certain point, so I'd probably end up with a WD.

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Originally Posted by albatross

I said in my original question that we weren't talking about competition, pressure, tournament... That almost makes it impossible to estimate. I was looking for what you thought you would shoot with just the Sunday setup.