The FD fades less and needs less power so it is easier to get the distance when you are obstructed from taking steps and/or pulling the arm the whole way. Or rather some FDs fade less and especially some C FDs fade a lot. Each C FD at Frisbeepoint i have seen is the hard fading kind when they are C-Lines. Dunno how a less overstable C FD flies or looks like from personal experience or even watching others throw them for that matter. jubuttib got less overstable ones from Powergrip i assume. I have no idea about how they vary. Last year S FDs had stupid variations and way different flights between the ones i have seen. The straighter kind looks nothing like my flippy hard fading one except they are round and have wings and flight plates.

Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.

I had a 165g S-FD which I had used for the summer and after some beating (and improvement in technic) it became really flippy. Few weeks ago I lost it and traded for an another one. It's easy to hyzer-flip and I can be sure that if I release it flat and put some power it will head to the right.

2nd run C-FD.. that's like a different disc. I traded for a 168g one and as I don't have a big arm, I have no fear of turning it over when I throw it flat as hard as I can. It just wants to hold the line. Comparable to a Teebird in my opinion.

I would be excited to throw a normal (1st/3rd run?) C-FD to see how it would compare with the other two. I've heard and I can easily believe that it is between the S-FD and 2nd run C-FD. While the S-FD is flippy and the 2nd run C-FD is very much Teebird-like, a normal, full weight C-FD would do extremely well as an all-around fairway driver. Well, the S-FD already is a great all-arounder, but I think that a normal C-FD just would be easier to control due to the slighty higher stability.

I'm so excited to test out some D-MD2s, PDs and especially those popular flat top C-MD2s. But that's a different thing when I'm able to, maybe next summer..

mutteriwiritys wrote:2nd run C-FD.. that's like a different disc. I traded for a 168g one and as I don't have a big arm, I have no fear of turning it over when I throw it flat as hard as I can. It just wants to hold the line. Comparable to a Teebird in my opinion.

Very much so. It took the Champ and Star TB's out of my bag.

Parks wrote:If the posts on this forum are any indication, the PD is like a Teebird with sunshine coming out of its butthole so hard that it flies faster.

FDs change a lot. Mine is more like a Firebird light and way more HSS and LSS than any Teebird i have tried. I have not tried the more than normal overstable tournament player fundraiser Teebirds though.

Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.

BentElbow11 wrote:C-FD like a Teebird, really? How can this be when it has a straight tapered "L" wing like the Leopard?

Flipflat wrote:C-FD is flatter, way more stable than the DGR S-FD I fell in love with. Faster Teebird.

Well only the 2nd run C-FD does that. The other C-FDs are more stable than S-Lines, but still turn noticeably. The 2nd run though really does fly like a slightly less glidey and perhaps a bit faster TB.

Parks wrote:If the posts on this forum are any indication, the PD is like a Teebird with sunshine coming out of its butthole so hard that it flies faster.

at some point did they change the bottom of the GM? I have a couple GM that have the big bead on the bottom like the gator. Trade for another and when it came it is marked on the bottom gm and is the size and has the same profile except that it has a micro bead instaed of the big bead. The new traded for disc is from a tourney in 2008 and is unthrown condition. I know that for a while they ran gators without a bead did they do the same with the gm?

money 21 wrote:at some point did they change the bottom of the GM? I have a couple GM that have the big bead on the bottom like the gator. Trade for another and when it came it is marked on the bottom gm and is the size and has the same profile except that it has a micro bead instaed of the big bead. The new traded for disc is from a tourney in 2008 and is unthrown condition. I know that for a while they ran gators without a bead did they do the same with the gm?

Maybe its a actual gremlin by innova, and not the GM by Discmania? Just my thought.

The s-line GM i have has the big bead. Its not one of their popular molds, so i dont think they would have very many runs

This is what it looks like. No Gremlin Stamp and no Indicator telling it's a Gremlin. Last time I threw a Gremlin was when Innova made it and I can't remember exactly what the abbreviations were on the back of it. So Gr G is all it has on the back and all I have to really go on..

I liked the Stamp,thought it was a Flat Top Roc so I picked it up. got it for 5 bucks too.