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mea culpa but what's so unreasonable about my opinions, OM?
There's other ways to die from smoking pot chronically besides "overdosing" I should have addressed your actual point. No, I have no studies on that. To reiterate my point... Both too much alcohol or pot smoking has not only the potential to be addictive but deadly for those who are potential chronic users. ( pot I liken to tobacco-full of crap that is proven not to be good for us)

Your opinions on the subject are just as valid as anyone else's.

OM

“Honor means that a man is not exceptional; fame, that he is. Fame is something which must be won; honor, only something which must not be lost.” -Arthur Schopenhauer

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I have no idea what buying a car off craigs, or a bottle of vodka at Vons has to do with you saying there are literally no checks in place to prevent people from drinking and driving.

Is there a background check for either? Are those who have been formally committed to a mental hospital able to buy either of the components? Convicted felons? etc., etc.

I can't believe you didn't see where I was going with this.
But in all seriousness, there are no checks that prohibit people from buying or owning the necessary ingredients of drunk driving. That part is indisputable, my friend.

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Certain people with the predisposition to addiction, (psychological addition is powerful) should not be encouraged to listen to the argument that pot is better for you than alcohol. It's a false argument. It's totally a subjective thing. That's why I used the word "potentially to become addicted or could be deadly" because some people should never ever smoke or drink anything.

Is there a background check for either? Are those who have been formally committed to a mental hospital able to buy either of the components? Convicted felons? etc., etc.

I can't believe you didn't see where I was going with this.
But in all seriousness, there are no checks that prohibit people from buying or owning the necessary ingredients of drunk driving. That part is indisputable, my friend.

Actually I did see it as what you were possibly going after but then thought maybe you were actually staying on the topic of pot and alcohol.

Oh yes... functional addicted people are some of the hardest to reach when it comes to logic.
Sad to say that some who use the false argument comparing the merits of pot to alcohol just may be in denial themselves. Usually the addicted are the last to know. It's true.

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I'm probably going to stand alone on my opinion on this, not that it would be unusual at all. I personally have no use for pot, alcohol, tobacco, etc. My mother was a drunk who smoked like a chimney, and as part of her shamism used 'herbs'. At least my Dad did not allow her to keep them or grow them anywhere near the house.

In our household, any intoxicants are a no-no. I can't stand the feeling of losing control of my own mental acuity, and hubby's had a lifelong policy as a pilot to never compromise his sobriety. My Dad was a teetotaler too. Hell, even having gone through some hospital hell in the last year, I refuse to take any form of narotic pain killers whatsoever. I'd rather live with it, that's how strong my feeling against that loss of mental control goes.

Pot isn't going to be stopped. But, the government has had a war on tobacco for decades. Last I heard a pack of butts costs 10 bucks or so in MA and about 70 percent of that is state tax. I say legalize the damned weed, but tax the pants out of it. Just make sure the revenue from it is actually used for somethng useful and not just having it disappear into some genreal fund someplace that politicians can raid for their own pet ends.

I also think that the stuff is dangerous for developing brains. Liberal thinking will contend that young people don't have fully developed brains when it suits their ends. Assume that's a correct position- make it illegal for pot purchasing under 21 or even older- hell, If I had my way the voting age would be 25 anyway.

OUI be it pot, or booze? throw the book at them. There is never a need to drive impaired. Kill yourself if you wish, that's between you and your maker, but no one else needs to die or suffer for you being a jackass. If pot is legalized, it's necessary to strengthen the laws against its misuse.

At least make the revenuers do something for their pay= if you want legal pot, then tax the living hell out of it. This is perhaps, the one case where I'll be all in favor of a tax , contrary to my usual position on such things.

eta- Sorry to disappoint many of you, but any rumors of my demise are greatly exaggerated.

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You don't think they will release the guys in prison? I would get a lawyer and do an appeal or whatever the legal talk is if it were me. If it's not a crime to be in possession of the drug now, I would fight to get out.

Why? they knowingly broke an in-force law at the time. Did the government release bootleggers, runrunners and Al Capone, once prohibition was repealed? (Yeah, I know they got Capone on Tax evasion, but that was all a bootstrap part of the treasury dept's case against him for his booze empire).

Everyone needs a break from time to time, so that is what I figured happened. Hope that's all it was.

Sorry, Trix... my apologies. that ETA was not meant for you. Call it a pe-emptory remark... whne I've 'returned' in the past it's usually been accompanied by groans from a certain element on here..... lol.. willl be in touch...

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I'm probably going to stand alone on my opinion on this, not that it would be unusual at all. I personally have no use for pot, alcohol, tobacco, etc. My mother was a drunk who smoked like a chimney, and as part of her shamism used 'herbs'. At least my Dad did not allow her to keep them or grow them anywhere near the house.

In our household, any intoxicants are a no-no. I can't stand the feeling of losing control of my own mental acuity, and hubby's had a lifelong policy as a pilot to never compromise his sobriety. My Dad was a teetotaler too. Hell, even having gone through some hospital hell in the last year, I refuse to take any form of narotic pain killers whatsoever. I'd rather live with it, that's how strong my feeling against that loss of mental control goes.

Pot isn't going to be stopped. But, the government has had a war on tobacco for decades. Last I heard a pack of butts costs 10 bucks or so in MA and about 70 percent of that is state tax. I say legalize the damned weed, but tax the pants out of it. Just make sure the revenue from it is actually used for somethng useful and not just having it disappear into some genreal fund someplace that politicians can raid for their own pet ends.

I also think that the stuff is dangerous for developing brains. Liberal thinking will contend that young people don't have fully developed brains when it suits their ends. Assume that's a correct position- make it illegal for pot purchasing under 21 or even older- hell, If I had my way the voting age would be 25 anyway.

OUI be it pot, or booze? throw the book at them. There is never a need to drive impaired. Kill yourself if you wish, that's between you and your maker, but no one else needs to die or suffer for you being a jackass. If pot is legalized, it's necessary to strengthen the laws against its misuse.

At least make the revenuers do something for their pay= if you want legal pot, then tax the living hell out of it. This is perhaps, the one case where I'll be all in favor of a tax , contrary to my usual position on such things.

eta- Sorry to disappoint many of you, but any rumors of my demise are greatly exaggerated.

They must be, I've not even seen your name mentioned in any conversation much less on your demise.

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Nope, wasn't drinking when I was on all fours. On second thought though, it was actually hashish, and I "hot-knifed" it. By doing so, I inadvertently ingested an entire nugget of hash in one breath; whereas normally it was the size of something that could have made the rounds in a huka to several people in the same sitting.

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Two people that stick in my mind even to this day as who to NOT get high with.

One was some guy who swore he smoked like a chimney and after 1/4 joint in the car, while we were a grocery store buying smokes, he just kept randomly walking right into people. My buddy took him out to the car (they were both on lunch break) and by the time I came out with the cigs the guy was in a heap crying his eyes out.

Another was a girl who ALSO said she smoked and we were headed to the beach for a big gathering. First she started crying like a 2 year old and THEN when we got out of the car she threw herself over the hood of the car and said she couldn't move. We left her there.

As a side note, I guess it probably wouldn't ease the mind of some people to know that back in the 80's probably more than 1/2 the Cal Trans workers out on the freeways here locally were high and some even growing weed in the medians where they had cleared areas between the normal bushes on the edges.

GG

Some people should NOT smoke the stuff because they can't handle what it does to them. I don't see why those types even try to smoke it around other people when they turn to mush like that.

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You can overdose on water if you try hard enough but that's getting off track.

Anyway, people do lot's of reckless things while under the influence. I agree. It's not acceptable when they do reckless things that endanger others though. As it is now, there are literally no checks in place to prevent people from doing things like driving under the influence of alcohol, and as such, drunk driving is a major killer in this nation. So when we start sanctioning the use of other judgment impairing substances, "we" are only asking for more of the same on top of that.

Nobody should be alright with that. I'm actually amazed how easily some folks here are willing to dismiss this reality too.

We don't dismiss this reality, we realize that there are always going to be those who abuse their privileges and ruin it for the rest of us. Are we supposed to stop doing things enjoyable to us and live like monks and nuns because of the actions of a few? I agree that there need to be checks in place re: mj use and driving and there will be. This thing is new and it will evolve, just like driving and cell phone use. It's illegal now although it didn't use to be. But people still use their cell phones and drive I see it all the time.

Still, I think the majority of citizens are responsible drivers and that is a good thing.