kid_icarus:That's always been my experience. When I was a kid I used to think all straight guys hated queers...then as I got older I realized it was actually just the immature asshat ones riddled with insecurity. And who wants to be friends with them, anyway?

For me, it was the day I realized that gay men are not in competition with me for tail. I started down the road thinking "wait, if every other man on earth were homosexual, then all the women would be mine."

From that day forward, I have been incredibly sympathetic to gay rights. I encourage other men to take up the cock.

serial_crusher:My ex-girlfriend hospitalized herself on a ski trip with me. The hospital wouldn't let me visit her and wouldn't give me any info until her parents got there, like 10 hours later. Yeah, that pretty much sucked.

So, legalized gay marriage is a helpful bandaid for a tiny number of people who find themselves in that position, but if we fixed the root of the problem we could solve it for everybody.

ecl:Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: kid_icarus: That's always been my experience. When I was a kid I used to think all straight guys hated queers...then as I got older I realized it was actually just the immature asshat ones riddled with insecurity. And who wants to be friends with them, anyway?

For me, it was the day I realized that gay men are not in competition with me for tail. I started down the road thinking "wait, if every other man on earth were homosexual, then all the women would be mine."

From that day forward, I have been incredibly sympathetic to gay rights. I encourage other men to take up the cock.

You should go further and try to turn your straight friends and coworkers. Then you'll really be swimming in tuna.

Well, I'm married now so it doesn't matter. My penis is not my own to command.

serial_crusher:I'm going to bring up my standard gripe about the "equal rights" talk being disingenuous. If you really wanted equal rights, you'd have a problem with all unmarried people being denied the benefits that come along with marriage, not just gay couples.

I don't subscribe to the idea that all men who hate gays are secretly gay themselves, though I think that's sometimes a factor. But I do think that men who are secure in their sexuality really don't give a shiat about the sexuality of others.

THIS.

I used to hang out at a gay bar because it was 3 blocks from my home, comfy, had a split adult classy section and jukebox/pool section, and was the only damn place in town that could make a decent Irish Coffee or Old Fashioned. Plus locally owned and the owners did a lot for local charities, lgbt focused and others. And had free safe sex stuff at the front door that helped many of my straight and gay broke friends get laid safely.

Sometimes I got hit on, politely demurred, and bought them a drink. Same as my other favorite bar (BF lived 2 hours away for awhile)... well, I just bought the ladies drinks cause I was on their turf.

So coworkers and I decide to get drinks. 5 of us, I suggest gay bar. 2 folks who had been there with me agree immediately. 1 guy agrees after being reassured that it's not a club atmosphere.

Last guy - apparently straight, hardcore liberal - flipped the f--k out and refused to go, sputtering some nonsense as we all just gave each other WTF stares.

We all had suspicions before that but oh did that clinch it.

If you're so damn insecure you can't say thanks but no thanks *if* someone hits on you holy crap. Take out that goddamn plank in your eye already.

Dusk-You-n-Me:Diogenes: I don't subscribe to the idea that all men who hate gays are secretly gay themselves, though I think that's sometimes a factor.

Homophobic Men Most Aroused by Gay Male Porn

To do that test properly, you would need to make sure there isn't a big difference in the amount of gay porn that each group had already viewed. It would be best to test subjects that had not already watched significant amounts of gay porn. I just don't think you can find a statistically significant sample size of homophobic men that fit that criteria.

Diogenes:Rambino: Diogenes: This is the what men who are secure in their sexuality sound like.

I don't subscribe to the idea that all men who hate gays are secretly gay themselves, though I think that's sometimes a factor. But I do think that men who are secure in their sexuality really don't give a shiat about the sexuality of others.

Bingo.

I am also fairly confident that Mr. Kluwe would not feel the need for a press conference to declare that he is not gay, a butt-chugger, or both.

Did he really pose for Out? If so, that's pretty awesome.

/I would go check the Out website, but alas my employer is not secure in its sexuality...

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears:kid_icarus: That's always been my experience. When I was a kid I used to think all straight guys hated queers...then as I got older I realized it was actually just the immature asshat ones riddled with insecurity. And who wants to be friends with them, anyway?

For me, it was the day I realized that gay men are not in competition with me for tail. I started down the road thinking "wait, if every other man on earth were homosexual, then all the women would be mine."

From that day forward, I have been incredibly sympathetic to gay rights. I encourage other men to take up the cock.

You should go further and try to turn your straight friends and coworkers. Then you'll really be swimming in tuna.

Cerebral Knievel:SphericalTime: serial_crusher: I'm going to bring up my standard gripe about the "equal rights" talk being disingenuous. If you really wanted equal rights, you'd have a problem with all unmarried people being denied the benefits that come along with marriage, not just gay couples.

To whom would the rights go to, for unmarried people? Most of the time these rights involve things like property transfer, mutual ownership, or joint decisions in the case of incapacity. They sort of require a close relationship with a second person. For straight people, the state recognizes that with civil marriage. For gay people . . . on the federal level, they've basically got nothing.

I agree philosphicly with serial crusher there. But I also agree with Spherical time, that it is a straw man argument.

Monogomous hetero couples have the option of getting married at the last second if its the fan.

While there are many ways that they can protect themselves and thier loved ones, gay couples will always face the risk of a family member coming in at the last second and mucking it all up, and there not much recourse when that happens

What specifically are you talking about family members mucking up? Is this the "I'm in a coma, spouse knows I want to pull the plug, fundie parents don't want to" situation?1) How'd that turn out for Terri Schiavo2) Doesn't an unmarried person who disagrees with his parents have the same problem?

I just don't think a marriage certificate is the right solution to that one.

Yep. Anti-gay rights people are farked in the head. Let us suppose "Roger" loves "Michael" and they have lived and loved together for ten years or so, or even six months. Who cares? They had a civil union ceremony because that is all they can get in their state. Roger's family disowned him years ago when they found out he was gay. Now Roger has cancer and is dying. Thanks to bigoted laws, the only people allowed to make decisions for him, visit him and take care of him are the same people who disowned him for his lifestyle.

Fark that shiat. It is bad enough his asshole family disowned him but now the law won't let him be comforted in his final days by someone who truly loves him?

If either of my kids turns out to be gay, that shiat will not happen. In another 50 years, this probably won't be an issue and our generation will be looked back at with incredulity at how small minded we were.