It seems that a lot of people would die no matter what happens. How much hope can there be for a bloodless transition to a more sane government? Maybe I'm just a pessimist, but I have a hard time seeing it.

They're definitely won't be a painless transition, but the best analogy I can think of if a country intervenes for what the people would do is... well if you've ever seen the death of Scar at the end of Lion King. Scar is the North Korean government and the hyenas are the people.

reading, can you do it?
I don't base my life around fictional movies, and it's sort of sad you seem to.
Contrary to the rules of mmochamp, people started nation bashing nk, (no soft spot for them from me, I just like a nice level playing field), so I started asking why people seem to think it's okay to bash other nations while pretending they have the best country on earth. So wait wait wait yourself, then start at the top of the thread and reafd everything before you go off half cocked then, or don't, like you haven't, and then it's sort of silly right?

I'm not pretending the US is the perfect nation. Nor am I revolving my life around works of fiction, sad that you evidently couldn't get the meaning of my reply. You're making our nation out to be worse than North Korea or some other god-forsaken (that's a common phrase, don't even try calling me a religious idiot) third-world, poverty-striken, cannibalistic, fascist country. Your silly tangent is what started this mess. Also, if you read what I posted, it was targeting your replies to others when they turn the tables on your nation.

Now, if you had a single bit of sense in your head you'd know that America is a lot more liberal with its citizens than most would want to admit. You really think if our nation was a religious police state that groups such as the WBC and KKK would even exist? That we would let people openly express their acceptance or intolerance of socialism, communism, homosexuality, social welfare, immigration, etc.?

Quit making the US to be the bad guy in this world unless you want to freely admit your own nation's issues. Unless you're from NK (not that a citizen would even be allowed on the internet to attempt to defend the hell-hole) or the United States you really shouldn't have even started your nation-bashing in this thread in the first place.

This thread was totally worth following! I wish I could act like a political martyr over video game forums. I bet I would totally prove a point then...right guys? Uneducated people make those who are anti-establishment seem absolutely batshit crazy.

OT; North Korea is all talk, they're not nearly dumb enough to try anything.

Its more complicated than that. China a) wants to maintain a cushy relationship with the West and b) does not want millions of Korean refugees streaming into Manchuria.

So most of the time that has meant quietly helping north korea stay stable (read: the regime in power). But North Korea has gotten a lot more brash and its making their position untenable.

The issue is, it doesn't matter from China's perspective if the regime gets better or worse because both mean a flood of refugees.

That's the thing i don't understand. China wants stability more than anything, which means maintaining the status quo for as long as possible. However, with NK being one of the most unstable little countries you could imagine, how long do they think they can keep this up? What is their endgame? they must know this can't last forever.

Where are we going to go as a species if we continue to bicker with each other over stupid things like culture and religion. To each his own, let everyone believe what they want. I mean, without all of the hatred of course. I think that the only way we can have a truly peaceful society is to get rid of people who are like the ones who made this video. People who promote hate and violence... Wouldn't the world be a much better, simpler, and happier place if we all united under a single country and had no more wars and fighting? Man, heres to hoping that the human race won't wipe itself out....

"Three Apples changed the World, 1st one seduced Eve, 2nd fell on Newton, and the 3rd was offered to the World half bitten by Steve Jobs."

I think that the only way we can have a truly peaceful society is to get rid of people who are like the ones who made this video. People who promote hate and violence...

How would we get rid of them, though? Can't do it through violence, since that would defeat the purpose. I am skeptical about the effectiveness of talk or re-education against people with such backwards ideals. We can't just ignore them and hope they go away. I mean, there's always eugenics...or stealing their children so they can't pass off their ideas to the next generation... But good luck with that. :P

On the freedom tip, lol, I have so much freedom, I can say what I think and up here, it's called 'a difference of opinion' and instead of pre(socially)programmed fools jumping up and down calling for my ban/arrest/burning dolls, they shrug their shoulders and say 'it's your trip man'.

It's called tolerance, you don't have to like it, it isn't likence, it's tolerance from the word tolerate.
Understand? You only need to 'tolerate' others.
If you could personally learn to do that, america might get .1% better right now.
If you don't understand that, I suggest you talk to minorities, up here we don't always get along, I can't claim we are a racist free country or anything, but I'd take the pepsi challenge against america ANY DAY OF THE WEEK on that, pretty sure we come out ahead by a landslide as a place where you can just sort of be and people will tolerate.

Anyways, I digress, I could bang my head against the wall here for years and some of you just wouldn't get it at all.
Just try to play nicer with other countries okay? Try hard not to nation bash on mmochamp, next time you do, you will probably remember this and think "damn it Bigbamboozal, you silly bitch, you got me!", and I hope I do, b/c I am tired of seeing the juvi act, especially when you guys get so butthurt if it's your own nation bashed.
It's a life lesson fellas, now nut up or shut up.

/Bamboozal out

Man I don't understand all the hate you have, seriously do you think all Americans are stupid? Do you really think we are brainwashed? Please get a fucking clue before making wild ignorant judgement's, got to love how you put all of us in to your little box and you think you have everything figured out. Really it's great to see you go back shit crazy.

way I see it, North Korea is the weird kid in school..
America dont like him because he's different so threatens to beat on him regularly, takes the piss out of him regularly, takes his lunch money off him unless he acts nice to him, adds him to a so called "terror list", regularly refers to him as "Evil" and like some kind of abomination that should try and be a lot more like America, all the while making it clear it could nuke him if he wants to. How are they meant to view America exactly after all this?

North Korea's pretty puny compared to any country, so really a nuclear DETERRENCE, is the only thing that could hold off a full on USA attack wiping it out when it wants to, be it directly or by arming Terrorist rebels (or as US media will call them "Opressed Freedom Fighters") through the teeth so full out civil war destroys the country.

Look at places like Syria and Libya, is it any wonder countries like NK and Iran don't trust the US and feel they need protection from it?

way I see it, North Korea is the weird kid in school..
America dont like him because he's different so threatens to beat on him regularly, takes the piss out of him regularly, takes his lunch money off him unless he acts nice to him, adds him to a so called "terror list", regularly refers to him as "Evil" and like some kind of abomination that should try and be a lot more like America, all the while making it clear it could nuke him if he wants to. How are they meant to view America exactly after all this?

North Korea's pretty puny compared to any country, so really a nuclear DETERRENCE, is the only thing that could hold off a full on USA attack wiping it out when it wants to, be it directly or by arming Terrorist rebels (or as US media will call them "Opressed Freedom Fighters") through the teeth so full out civil war destroys the country.

Look at places like Syria and Libya, is it any wonder countries like NK and Iran don't trust the US and feel they need protection from it?

Yeah, make North Korea look like the victim here. It has nothing to do with their oppressive, aggressive government or anything. No, just more American warmongering.

They ask me why I'm bringin' - A baby into battle - That's really irresponsible - And getting them rattled
I say "give me a break - Get off of my back damn, it" - I didn't learn parenting - My daddy was a planet

way I see it, North Korea is the weird kid in school..
America dont like him because he's different so threatens to beat on him regularly, takes the piss out of him regularly, takes his lunch money off him unless he acts nice to him, adds him to a so called "terror list", regularly refers to him as "Evil" and like some kind of abomination that should try and be a lot more like America, all the while making it clear it could nuke him if he wants to. How are they meant to view America exactly after all this?

North Korea's pretty puny compared to any country, so really a nuclear DETERRENCE, is the only thing that could hold off a full on USA attack wiping it out when it wants to, be it directly or by arming Terrorist rebels (or as US media will call them "Opressed Freedom Fighters") through the teeth so full out civil war destroys the country.

Look at places like Syria and Libya, is it any wonder countries like NK and Iran don't trust the US and feel they need protection from it?

Well if we're going to use a school analogy, it's more of North Korea is the kid who sits underneath the tree creepily staring at everyone while at the same time "joking" about how he's going to bring a gun to school to teach everyone a lesson, while also playing with a pocket knife.

North Korea isn't the victim. No country but South Korea cared about them until they started threatening the US. They started their nukes with the intention of targeting the United States. The way I and everyone know this is because they keep releasing statements about it and now a video. If they had said we're making nukes for protection the world wouldn't be freaked out. Keep in mind, these are also the same people who said they found a unicorn cave.

Also tbh, putting North Korea in the same group as Iran, Syria, and Libya is an insult to those countries.