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If we drop 6th, the anticlimax of this year will be hard to swallow after risking so much in the future with the Melo trade.

I agree it will hard if we lose the 6th spot but I don't think we risked the future of our team by any means. If anything we secured the future of our team. There was no way we could keep all the guys we traded if we were going to pick up a star this offseason anyways. Our biggest loss was Gallo and Mosgov but that's basically it. Will was gone after the season and Billups is BETTER than Felton. Felton was o.k. but streaky and he's not even good enough to crack the Nuggets starting lineup. Mosgov can easily be replaced in the offseason...Easily.

Everyone including myself needs to be patient, we will be a good team but it might take longer than most of us hoped for. Sad but true.

That will be determined by the CBA. That, and if we pick up our team option on Billups, chances are we won't be able to replace the Gov so easily. We should have stood firm on keeping him.

The risks are still there.

We HAD to give him up. Who knows what would of happened if we didn't. Denver could of easily took a chance and hoped that Melo would not give up the extra 20M to sign with them or that the new CBA would include a franchise tag. We did the right thing even if it hurts us right now. We can find another serviceable big. That's all the Gov was/is.

We HAD to give him up. Who knows what would of happened if we didn't. Denver could of easily took a chance and hoped that Melo would not give up the extra 20M to sign with them or that the new CBA would include a franchise tag. We did the right thing even if it hurts us right now. We can find another serviceable big. That's all the Gov was/is.

We didn't have to give him up. We could have stayed put with our players and went after just CP3 if Melo didn't sign as a free agent. New Yorkers don't know the meaning of the word "patience" though.

Galli put up 27 and 9 last night with Portland. I have a feeling we are going to regret getting rid of him. He is only going to get better as he grows more comfortable playing in the NBA.

It was a difficult decision, though, and I would never say it was the wrong choice. In the end, you have to get him, but there needed to be a limit.

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For the game. I say we lose by 10pts tomorrow or more -- no center and still need more time to jell.

We HAD to give him up. Who knows what would of happened if we didn't. Denver could of easily took a chance and hoped that Melo would not give up the extra 20M to sign with them or that the new CBA would include a franchise tag. We did the right thing even if it hurts us right now. We can find another serviceable big. That's all the Gov was/is.

Did we HAVE to give up our only true center? This was already an incredible haul for Denver general manager Masai Ujiri, considering the superstar he was forced to trade in his first few months on the job only had one destination in mind, before he demanded Mozgov of Dolan.

Say what you will about us inevitably losing Melo to Denver or Dallas at the cost of our traded players, this team's future success is now dictated externally, at the cost of Anthony's desire to earn an extra $15M. I, for one, don't like business moves that leave me crossing my fingers.

I still think Carmelo could have interposed and aided us in making this process as best as possible for the franchise. Even at his own cost and or patience.

But it was the whims of 2 multi millionaires that ultimately leave the CBA prescribing the future of the Knicks, leaving us, the fans, crossing our fingers.

Did we HAVE to give up our only true center? This was already an incredible haul for Denver general manager Masai Ujiri, considering the superstar he was forced to trade in his first few months on the job only had one destination in mind, before he demanded Mozgov of Dolan.

Say what you will about us inevitably losing Melo to Denver or Dallas at the cost of our traded players, this team's future success is now dictated externally, at the cost of Anthony's desire to earn an extra $15M. I, for one, don't like business moves that leave me crossing my fingers.

I still think Carmelo could have interposed and aided us in making this process as best as possible for the franchise. Even at his own cost and or patience.

But it was the whims of 2 multi millionaires that ultimately leave the CBA prescribing the future of the Knicks, leaving us, the fans, crossing our fingers.

But who are we, anyway?

We definitely gave up too much. Am I more hopeful now that the smoke has cleared? Yeah, but we made a trade as if we had to be "fair", ridiculous. They were still getting a lot back. Look at them now WITHOUT playing Mozgov.

Did we HAVE to give up our only true center? This was already an incredible haul for Denver general manager Masai Ujiri, considering the superstar he was forced to trade in his first few months on the job only had one destination in mind, before he demanded Mozgov of Dolan.

Say what you will about us inevitably losing Melo to Denver or Dallas at the cost of our traded players, this team's future success is now dictated externally, at the cost of Anthony's desire to earn an extra $15M. I, for one, don't like business moves that leave me crossing my fingers.

I still think Carmelo could have interposed and aided us in making this process as best as possible for the franchise. Even at his own cost and or patience.

But it was the whims of 2 multi millionaires that ultimately leave the CBA prescribing the future of the Knicks, leaving us, the fans, crossing our fingers.

But who are we, anyway?

Exactly.

Tough to *really* bitch about the trade; except the imbecilic motivations of the imbeciles blinking first and cowering in negotiations was in essence,

Reality is, in this NBA, you need excellence, not good with a chance of very good.

We had the team, bargaining position, future options, and reality (of cba, for one), to dictate going for a true powermove...and perhaps being the unequivocal victor in a trade, and not a potential rapee.

a la LAK. Wonder how they'd be doing if they threw in Odom or Bynum and Ariza for Gasol...

It's like the perfect semi bluff in poker. Even if we get looked up, we still have the chips, position, and skill, to go for the kill again from an even superior position of power/respect/assets.

And much of the time, you simply don't get looked up. Bc ppl are fundamentally timid and fearful (especially amateurs...amateur hour front offices...specially on a big stage....)

And the actual, true ultimate decision of facing total destruction and public disgrace.....And making a decision. Is infinitely more difficult in a way that can't be easily described; versus the theoretical writing of what they "should" do, and operating like ppl are machines.

At the very least (and I mean VERY least), the second reneging of our own ultimatum (smfh) for Moz....is just...unreal.

And we wonder why teams lick their chops to deal wit us? And why we just so often happen to be on the receiving end of rapes in trades and signings?

It's not random...And this trade won't help (even if in a vacuum it is a good trade...ie We get superstar Melo, and in a vacuum or bubble, what we got exceeds the value of what we gave up).

Champions don't get born from this mentality and cyclical process that we have operated from, and in a real sense, operated from again in our dealings with DEN.

Let's just pray to god Walsh stays, and with as much autonomy as ever.

Good Luck to you guys

Sup Knick fans -

New poster & HEAT fan here. Just wanting to wish you guys good luck on tonights' game. It should be a very good game that Im sure we're all excited to witness (no pun intended). Also looking forward to talkin bball with you all in the future. Good luck and heres to hoping for a good competitive game!

I don't know what to expect tonight, I thought we were going to get murdered by the heat last time but ended up winning so who knows. I think our guys will come out POed and motivated after what happened on Friday night. With that said I can definitely see Lebum James scoring in the 40s, I think the game will come down to which pair can put up the most points, Wade and James or Melo and Amare.

We have to limit they're transition game. So we have to cut down on the quick 3pt shots and try to limit turnovers. Then we have to atleast stay close until the last 8-7 minutes of the fourth and we should be in a good position because Miami has a bad habit at the end of games of going iso every trip down at the end of games.