aerc712

Oy, what started with two very adorable animals ended with shenanigans and yet another political clusterf**k. Oof. This is why I've gone from discussing politics (elsewhere) to keeping my thoughts to myself.

This election season (and every one), people are entitled to their opinion and shouting at them will do nothing. Be glad that people care and are going to vote. Be glad that you're free to rant and rave and vote.

That said, really wish Woot hadn't gone with 2 different shirts and set this up to be polarizing. Having the elephant and donkey together probably would've been a better option. Oh well.

bassanimation

Reclaimer456 wrote:Some states have laws prohibiting campaigning at polling places (I know California does) so I'd suggest not wearing anything remotely political to a polling place. I've never seen or heard of anyone being stopped because of it, but you don't want to antagonize the people manning the polls.

I do know about that, but thanks for the reminder. I'd caution anyone to not pimp your party of choice at the polling stations. Just askin' for trouble.

ellegee

bluetuba

aerc712 wrote:That said, really wish Woot hadn't gone with 2 different shirts and set this up to be polarizing. Having the elephant and donkey together probably would've been a better option. Oh well.

Having something, I dunno, relevant would have been nice. We just had a propaganda derby, why not some gung ho Arrrrrr! YEAH AMERICA!! REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS!!!!! or something in a politicial cartoon style, or whatever if Woot wanted to do a politics thing.

Japanese chibi animals printed on a South American tee shirt is laughably awful.

"You can't just dress a Minion like Spock, and add a caption that says "Logical Me". There's a prison for people like that. Below my house."

gds

penguincharmer wrote:Sounds like one of the sheep talking. "You can't change the two party system. Just deal with it."

We are stuck in a two party system because people have this type of mentality.

We are in a two party system because the majority of people fall somewhere in there.
I am mostly libertarian (I don't care for pot and most pot smokers), but vote mostly republican since I know third parties aren't popular enough to win.

fishshapedethylbenzene

Add me to the ones who want to see the final sales numbers. I suspect that one party will greatly outsell the other. I expect that wooters are evenly divided politically, but if my circle of friends is a representative sample, I know which party puts a higher value on whimsy. ^_^

devium

TheXBritish wrote:It's great that people have different politic beliefs, but the U.S. is a two-party system. If you're a third party, you just have to line up with whichever candidate you agree with the most. Or not vote. But you should always vote. ALWAYS.

I wasn't meant to be a two party system. Political representatives should adequately represent the views of the populace. I think there are more then just two views.

gusvonpooch

sjt2115 wrote:And you'll notice that most of those Dems who voted against it switched and are now Republicans and their former districts and states are now deep red, and vice versa. All those Dixiecrats traded in their donkey buttons for elephant pins. Same old "states rights" rhetoric, new team labels, which is where we get the modern GOP.

LBJ was wrong when he said "We have lost the South for a generation" as a result of him (a Dem) pushing for and signing the act. Turns out it was multiple generations.

Bravo,you nailed it.It's always good to use facts in a response,it just drives people crazy.

neuropsychosocial

That Americans have the freedom to do this is one of my favorite things about the United States.

That said, really wish Woot hadn't gone with 2 different shirts and set this up to be polarizing. Having the elephant and donkey together probably would've been a better option. Oh well.

Woot did a similar thing four years with Bleeding Heart Liberal/Wingnut Conservative, so this almost appears to be woot tradition, if a five-year old website can have quadrennial traditions! [In 2010, they did Vote Yes on No for the "off"-year elections (or for the Rally for Sanity!)].

I really like your idea of having the donkey and elephant - who are truly adorable and very patriotic - together on one shirt. As others have said, obviously it should be on a purple shirt.

neuropsychosocial

The shirt.woot Number Nerds won't be able to provide a breakdown of the sales numbers between red and blue shirts; assuming woot follows precedent, the sales number that will post at midnight will be for both shirts together, so woot would have to provide the breakdown.

I really like your idea of having the donkey and elephant - who are truly adorable and very patriotic - together on one shirt. As others have said, obviously it should be on a purple shirt.

Ah, I was unaware of the previous 2 political shirts on one day happenings. Was unaware of the humorous world of woot shirts at that point. Thanks for the info on that.

Just to give (partial) credit where credit's due - there were a few earlier remarks about having both animals on one shirt. Some variations, but I frankly don't want to read through everything again to figure out who said what.

That Americans have the freedom to do this is one of my favorite things about the United States.

Wherever someone falls on the spectrum of American politics, be glad that you can rant and rave and say almost whatever you want (minus things that will get scary guys and gals in suits investigating you). No one's perfect, there's issues all over the place, everyone has their own things going on influencing their political perspective, but can we at least agree that certain animals are just darn cute? Let's get along for the cute animals. And the kids. ;)

cappo

gds wrote:We are in a two party system because the majority of people fall somewhere in there.
I am mostly libertarian (I don't care for pot and most pot smokers), but vote mostly republican since I know third parties aren't popular enough to win.

Do the majority of people fall somewhere in there, or do the majority of people "know third parties aren't popular enough to win" and vote for the two-party duopoly?

They can't win because you don't vote for them because they can't win.

Circular logic and self-fulfilling prophesy, but it keeps the two-party system in power.

TheXBritish

TheXBritish wrote:It's great that people have different politic beliefs, but the U.S. is a two-party system. If you're a third party, you just have to line up with whichever candidate you agree with the most. Or not vote. But you should always vote. ALWAYS.

I see some people are frustrated with my comment and I understand why, but I speak from a purely historical point of view. The U.S. operates on a winner-take-all system. Because of this, candidates within the two major parties tend to get the majority of the votes, because trying to vote for a smaller third party has little to no impact. This is not to say that third parties aren't important, they most definitely are. Many times, issues and movements of third parties are absorbed into the major parties, and sometimes even replace one of the major parties (Whig Party replaced by the Republican Party and so on).

And the reason I emphasized voting is because it is better to express your views and make an impact. When it comes to local government, there are often more than two options, and the issues change depending on geographic location. Local candidates are more likely to reflect your own personal views. But no candidate will ever completely line up with your philosophy (unless your views line up exactly with a party's platform).

penguincharmer

gds wrote:We are in a two party system because the majority of people fall somewhere in there.
I am mostly libertarian (I don't care for pot and most pot smokers), but vote mostly republican since I know third parties aren't popular enough to win.

How do you expect third parties to win with that mentality. So many people disqualify libertarians just because they don't think it has a possibility of winning. If all those people not only stood up for what they preferred but promoted their preference there might be something more than republican or democrat.

Stand up for what you believe in even if you don't win. It will be the beginning of change. I do happen to be libertarian. I voted for Bob Barr 4 years ago (a weak libertarian candidate but stronger than my other choices). This year I will most likely write in Ron Paul even though I could vote Gary Johnson.

Although I am a libertarian, I am just fed up with a 2 party system and 2 terrible choices for president. I don't want Romney or Obama. I don't care if it's libertarian, but I think there needs to be more parties and a political system that isn't controlled by money and donations.

libetev

hanuman3 wrote:Might be fun to buy both, and wear them alternating weeks. Then:
1) You would truly be undecided
2) You could feel the hate and ridicule of both sides
3) You can embrace all Americans
4) You can hide that you're really Canadian.

gcollette

Would love to buy one of these, but the designs seem targeted at a pre-legal voting age crowd...to cutesy to wear without feeling self-conscious about what the adorable donkey and elephant are saying about me. Could someone design another with more mature animals?

cleverconveyence

srac911 wrote:You just don't like the fact that I'm not what you have assumed that I am. Isn't that too bad?

Shortsighted with an absolutely unwarranted sense of superiority? On the contrary, you're still exactly what I assume.

I have met scores of libertarians on the internet and in person. Only one of them met only 3 of those 4 criteria, and I'd say about 90% of them fit ALL of them. If you're a female minority or a lower-income gay man or any combination of 2 of those 4 criteria you would be literally the first I have ever talked to that identifies as Libertarian in the decade or so I have been politically active, so you'll have to forgive my leap of logic.

Past experience has left me very skeptical of anyone that thinks RP or GJ would be anything better than a complete disaster financially and socially because most of those people wouldn't have to suffer the consequences of state-sponsored discriminat--I'm sorry, "state's rights."

Number of shirt.woots in 08: 23 (not counting randoms and shirts bought for friends)
number of shirt.woots in 09: 2 (same criteria)

oraclelink

Shoot! I missed it while it was still $12... Speaking of which, how does one go about purchasing one of these? I can't find the option to choose one or the other and it won't let me check out until I pick one...

PemberDucky

oraclelink wrote:Shoot! I missed it while it was still $12... Speaking of which, how does one go about purchasing one of these? I can't find the option to choose one or the other and it won't let me check out until I pick one...

hmmm. i see what you mean - i ran into the same issue. not sure if it's something i'm doing wrong, or...?

i've inquired about this. we'll keep you posted!

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