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Surprisingly, Canada is the number one purchaser of US-made cards in the world, importing about $4.6 million

This absolutly insane,Trump ,Tariffs on there closet friends and nieghbors, it hurts more both sides and in my view accomplishes nothing more then enlarging trumps narrow minded mine himself ego .Never thought the card business had that much volume in Canada, Amazingly trading cards might see people getting bigger $$ for there cards

#4

August 26th, 2018, 6:49 PM

shells_bells_53 [8,727]

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That's a lot of playing cards!

This 'trade war' thing could possibly contribute to the destruction of a great relationship between countries. For some reason, Trump's administration feels we all should be playing by their rules and no compromise? How can we work with that?

I think if you read the article the tariff is mainly affecting magic cards because they are only made in the us. Canada is looking to other contracts for poker cards which may lead to changing usa vendors. Also the last section talks about the tariffs bringing Mexico to the table and then Canada I believe that is why the trump administration imposed the tariffs. Again taking information away from the complete context of the opinion piece.

#6

August 26th, 2018, 7:02 PM

shells_bells_53 [8,727]

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Oh, I understood the article stated the tariff was on all playing cards? I'll have to re-read.

Edit - I still believe it affected playing cards, but because Canada can find playing cards elsewhere that is really not a huge problem, to avoid tariffs. But if you play Magic: The Gathering cards, that could be a problem, since they are exclusively made in the USA.

#7

August 27th, 2018, 1:11 PM

Trillian [2,430]

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If the Magic cards are the only ones made exclusively in the US, Canada could purchase others in Mexico. Could be cheaper at the end. By shipping them, as the word suggests, over the oceans the US could be circumvented completely.

#8

August 27th, 2018, 10:58 PM

MattRyder [2,933]

Originally Posted by shells_bells_53

Oh, I understood the article stated the tariff was on all playing cards? I'll have to re-read.

Edit - I still believe it affected playing cards, but because Canada can find playing cards elsewhere that is really not a huge problem, to avoid tariffs. But if you play Magic: The Gathering cards, that could be a problem, since they are exclusively made in the USA.

Originally Posted by Trillian

If the Magic cards are the only ones made exclusively in the US, Canada could purchase others in Mexico. Could be cheaper at the end. By shipping them, as the word suggests, over the oceans the US could be circumvented completely.

I'm sure China would be happy to step in to fill the void. Trademarks and patents are not an issue for them.

#9

August 28th, 2018, 3:13 PM

ScooperNova [1,425]

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I don't believe the USA should continue its charitable policies towards other countries with healthy economies. Sometimes I think people tend to forget some of these countries who are part of this trade disagreement have been fleecing the USA for years and they understandably don't want to give that up. Although pretty low mostly, There have been tariffs on American goods from the EU and other countries for a while now that weren't retaliated against or matched. There are reasons manufacturing has been leaving the US at an alarming rate for decades, which leads to less lower middle class jobs and higher unemployment. The reason is you have to pay labors significantly more in the US. There's a reason all of our manufacturing jobs move to places like Mexico, while their labor force flees to find a golden minimum wage job in the USA. The free trade elitists want to squeeze every penny out of the poor and they can't stand the thought of sharing with their laborers. I don't think any of the points I've made are even really debatable.

I don't believe the USA should continue its charitable policies towards other countries with healthy economies. Sometimes I think people tend to forget some of these countries who are part of this trade disagreement have been fleecing the USA for years and they understandably don't want to give that up. Although pretty low mostly, There have been tariffs on American goods from the EU and other countries for a while now that weren't retaliated against or matched. There are reasons manufacturing has been leaving the US at an alarming rate for decades, which leads to less lower middle class jobs and higher unemployment. The reason is you have to pay labors significantly more in the US. There's a reason all of our manufacturing jobs move to places like Mexico, while their labor force flees to find a golden minimum wage job in the USA. The free trade elitists want to squeeze every penny out of the poor and they can't stand the thought of sharing with their laborers. I don't think any of the points I've made are even really debatable.

All democratic countries elect representatives that they trust will represent them fairly in global negotiations (trade and otherwise). If things are as bad as you and Trump suggest, where were the voters the past 100+ years? There are reasons each and every deal in the past was negotiated the way it was by duly elected US administrations, and I'm pretty darn sure charity was far from the top of the list. No, I don't think it's as simple as all that.

To your second point about lower wages offshore and workers fleeing lower wage countries for the US. There's a simple solution. Don't build the wall. Rather allow free flow of immigrants into the US at all points of entry. You will quickly see a leveling of wage disparities throughout the world. Let capitalism work it's wonders.

#11

August 29th, 2018, 3:28 AM

ScooperNova [1,425]

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Originally Posted by MattRyder

All democratic countries elect representatives that they trust will represent them fairly in global negotiations (trade and otherwise). If things are as bad as you and Trump suggest, where were the voters the past 100+ years? There are reasons each and every deal in the past was negotiated the way it was by duly elected US administrations, and I'm pretty darn sure charity was far from the top of the list. No, I don't think it's as simple as all that.

To your second point about lower wages offshore and workers fleeing lower wage countries for the US. There's a simple solution. Don't build the wall. Rather allow free flow of immigrants into the US at all points of entry. You will quickly see a leveling of wage disparities throughout the world. Let capitalism work it's wonders.

Many of the unequal trade relationships stem from the USA saving Europe from collapse after the World Wars. The time for that has long passed

Leveling of wage disparities sounds an awful lot like the USA taking care of everyone at the expense of Americans, which sounds awful lot like charity.