About David Beren

David is the founder and Editor-in-Chief of TmoNews.com. He considers himself a Jedi Knight, capable of leaping tall buildings in a single bound and a connoisseur of fine cell phones. He has been involved in the wireless industry since 2003 and has been known to swap out phones far too many times in any given year. Should you wish to contact him, you can do so: david@tmonews.com.

That’s been my thought as well, but that’s going to *INFURIATE* classic/legacy customers…

thepanttherlady

No matter what, someone is going to complain. They complained there was no iPhone. T-Mobile gets the iPhone, they’re going to complain about pricing, plans, etc. It will be interesting though to see how this all plays out.

I prefer Android, but I agree. Anything that will help T-Mobile be more competitive is good news in my book.

Addam

please don’t pee on this wonderful day! :)

thepanttherlady

I’m not! I said that even though I’m personally not a fan, I’m happy for those that are!

Addam

all true, but, in fairness, you closed with “*fingers crossed* that this won’t impact current pricing. :)”, which is just a tad Debbie Downer, especially on such a joyous occasion. Christmas came early this year!

thepanttherlady

Sorry but it’s true. I AM happy for iPhone fans but am hoping that this won’t raise my prices to have it. I am not alone in this hope.

If it makes you feel better, I would say the same no matter what the phone was (e.g. Blackberry, Android, iPhone, Windows etc.)

With that being said, Happy early Christmas! Does this mean I get to celebrate my birthday early too? =P

Addam

I’m the day after xmas, so I guess tomorrow’s my cake day?

thepanttherlady

Mine is on Christmas so we both can have cake! Let them all have cake! lol

Addam

You’ll always remember where you were on this day!

SmartAzz

Agreed 100%. I’m not an Apple fan, and I’d hate to have to pay higher prices to subsidize the iPhone.

Just like you I’m not an apple fan and also excited. At least this will give TMobile fighting chance about being in the 4 major carriers. I just hope they stay true to their customers and not become att.

tomnewtn

I thought about that too, but you would think TMO would want to maintain current rates so as to incentivize people to come on board. Otherwise, it will come down to who has the best network coverage I suppose and TMO may not come out the winner on that basis. I use an unlocked iPhone but have also used Android. I like things about both. Apples hardware is top shelf and a pleasure to use. We’ll see how my Nexus 4 compares when it arrives today. Either way, it’s great if TMO can offer customers the choice they’ve been deprived of for so long at competitive pricing.

i dont think tmo will hike up rate plan prices (esp with the shift to 100% value plans)…Hopefully the iphone will bring churn stability to TMO

Get_at_Me

i dont think tmo will hike up rate plan prices (esp with the shift to 100% value plans)…Hopefully the iphone will bring churn stability to TMO

nycplayboy78

PantherLady I am not an Apple fan either but this scares me…HOLD ME….I r have allergies to the Crapple….I don’t want to catch the Apple :p

thepanttherlady

You’re a dork. And immune so you’ll be fine. :)

nycplayboy78

Oh how I love you so :)

Addam

Wow! I feel like I just won an AVN Award!! I’ve waited so long for this. I don’t know what to say. I’ve been buying unlocked phones and saving my upgrade for this moment!. I’ve also been checking TMOnews every day for this news and it’s finally here! Thank you David for always keeping us informed!

Mark Reese

Where can I find your award winning performance

xmiro

I second that motion

Trapper

Woo hoo!! Keeping the faith with T-Mobile is finally going to pay off. Great customer service AND the iphone. Sweet.

Ski589

Awesome! Finally!!!

Prox

I hope that part of that contract doesn’t affects pricing like it did with VZW. When Apple came to VZW I had to wait two years to upgrade instead of one year.

cintara

No 4g anyweare

Little T

HUH? they are not going to be selling iPhones made for another network.

I am a sales rep…I will NOT sell this phone at my store, as a Rep. This is a Dumb move. What is our profit margin? $40 per phone. This will break us the way it ALMOST broke SPRINT.
PERIOD. P.S. My SAMSUNG NOTE 2 ate 2 Apples for Breakfast this morning.

thepanttherlady

It’s about what the customer wants, not what you want as an employee. I abhor representatives of any company with this attitude.

Although I do love the Note II, listen to what the others have said up top-no subsidies means not much profit loss, if any

CRT24

That is a stunningly ridiculous attitude you have there….let the company worry about the economics of the deal. But regardless, if a deal is made then you choosing not to sell that phone is cutting off your nose to spite your face dont you think? if you only sell to customers what YOU like then I would imagine that your not a very good sales rep to begin with. Becuase whether you like the I-phone or not, many customers do and unless your commission will somehow be reduced by selling the phone then you have no basis for taking that stance besides stupidity. The deal that will be made will cost the company what ever it costs whether you want to sell the phone or not so you might want to re-think your position on this.

trife

So you’re going to ignore what a customer wants AND potentially put your job in jeopardy by refusing to do (sell) what you’re hired to do?

We need less reps like you. Never let your personal preferences/opinions get in the way of business.

ed lanum

if you were all that knowledgeable about profit margins you wouldnt be working in a retail store trust me

PoopeyDooPoop

lollllll what an idiot, you’re about to make that much more commission money from people upgrading to these phones, they did raise what they pay on those ya know…..

Saying you are using a nexus 4 makes you unbiased and that your opinion is now somewhat validated /s

trife

Oh.

FlyOhMy

FINALLY!!!!! we’re coming for the #1 spot! :)

Trevnerdio

Yep, just like 60 million customers to go!

trife

I chuckled. Repped.

JB

It’s gonna be an effort, that’s for sure, but when folks realize that they can pay $55/mo for unlimited voice/msg/data on their iPhone 5 instead of $130 or more for capped/throttled usage on Verizon or AT&T…yeah, they’ll eventually see the $$$ saved and come running.

vivi77

There’s a $55 unlimited value plan?

SmartAzz

T-Mobile needs to significantly improve coverage in order for that to happen.

Dakota

Youre assuming prices will stay the same. And if theyre only going to do value pricing, a lot of people may be turned off

Dennis Estrada

I stay with AT&T for their coverage, not their prices. T-Mobile doesn’t even have 3G where I live much less 4G. No one provider is best for everyone but AT&T works best for me, yes even better than Verizon.

bleeew

I have 6GB on share plan. I miss my unlimited data on LTE. I switched 3 days ago. Its expensive but someone kept going out of minutes so we had to switch to tiered sadly. I would go to T-Mobile, but they need better coverage, then were talking.

Jarrod

You need to use VoIP calling over your unlimited data plan so you get the best of both worlds.

So with the very recent news that T-Mobile is moving to 100% value plans. this means no subsidies on the iphone. So I support this all the way as no pricing should be raise and technically should cost tmobile that much money.

Dakota

But paying full price for an iphone may be s uch a turnoff to customers that they dont even look further. Just like they did with the SG3 and other handsets where they keep pricing them higher than every other carrier.

K_Hart

If you do the math, the $$ you save from being on a Value plan FAR outweighs any discount you would get on a phone. I would recommend the Value plan to anyone over the Classic

my wife needs an upgrade this might be it although i dislike it but function wise its a good choice.

D_Wall__

This is great news!! I love my S3 but not i can get my girl a better girly phone..

Herb

Burn.

coopere

Hope it will be beneficial to T-Mo and not just Apple

j

Never thought it wouldhappen

Brian

“T-Mobile USA has entered into an agreement with Apple to bring products to market together next year” Per the Deutsche Telekom Capital Markets Day 2012 Media guide

Hilton GoWahoos Redskins

Why? The iphone isn’t that big a deal anymore now that Android phones are better. This just means T-mo is going to waste money subsidizing phones that cost more than they should which will cost the rest of us $$$.

thepanttherlady

It is a very big deal for some and has been for quite a while now.

And without all the details, we don’t know what exactly this means or how T-Mobile will be handling it. :)

TyRetr0

It’s a big deal alright… if you want the best android phone on T-Mobile you have to fork over $279 + mail in rebate.. On top of that the only way to get an android phone with the most up to date OS you have to get a nexus.

Jesse James

why do you really need android 4.2? people make such a big deal about android being slow to update but if your phone works the same as hen you bought it whats the big deal? Everytime apple releases a new phone the old ones do get updated but features get left out so really whats the difference?

Cherry pickers are what I call those people always have to find something to make iPhone look more desirable funny thing is every apple update lacks something that the current iPhone has

nyuhsuk

What? You haven’t noticed the world is like 99% whiners nowadays about any little detail, acting as if they’re the experts on every one of those subjects they like to nag about?
Truthfully, there are some really nice features that are unfortunately only available on the newer releases of any mobile OS that people will miss out on if they have an older device. In the PC realm, this is rarely a problem. In the mobile realm, happens quite often. Guess which came first and made everybody develop a ‘gimme gimme’ attitude?

NOOOOOOOOO!!!! This is gonna trash our data rates :( I still remember the day the iPhone first came out, I was an AT&T customer, happy as a clam using my Windows Mobile with data plan to surf & tether at will. Once it came out I could barely get a data connection & when I did the speed was terrible.

If this helps TMo prevent customer churn & attract new ones then good for them but I really hope they didn’t make the “deal with the devil” like Sprint did.

Ceefu

Some key differences:

1. Tmo already estimates there to be well over 1 million iPhone users on their network.
2. Tmo is the 4th carrier (not counting resellers) to have the iPhone
3. The iPhone is not the “it” phone it was when it first came out.

Here’s hoping. Yeah I agree it probably caught AT&T off-guard; carriers pay much more attention to data connectivity these days in general (it was more a novelty back then).

21stNow

I don’t know about data being a novelty in 2007. It may not have been as widely used, but I would not call it a novelty at that point. I have had a data plan since 2002 and I wasn’t among the first onboard to use data on a cell phone.

The impact on T-Mobile will be significant. It will help greatly with stopping churn if anything. Sprint even started gaining subscribers again after they got the iPhone despite their horrible network.

Keep in mind that T-Mobile will also be the only GSM carrier to offer the iPhone with truly unlimited data. Unlimited data will be a major selling point since the speeds are actually fast unlike Sprint. AT&T will likely be the biggest losers of T-Mobile joining the iPhone party.

There is no doubt this will have a HUGE and POSITIVE impact on Tmo as a company. And I’m all for it.

Ceefu

I was referring to impact on the network. I agree that it will pay HUGE dividend to the overall health of the business.

JustSaying

Actually probably not… if the iPhone is only on the Value Plan i’m sure T-Mobile is paying far less than Sprint did.

GS3

I’m not sure I understand what this means.. I think the reason tmobile has value plan is for the customers to partially pay for their phones .. I’m not sure if tmobile has the same deal with apple? How does the agreement work between them? Like tmo pays a certain amount to apple under a contract for a few yearsand hhow much apple devices they’re gonna make for tmobile? I don’t think value plan has anything to do with it.. I think apple has succumbed to being more competitive and gain marketshare..

GS3

It’s not like tmo is also paying apple partially for their products.. I think they pay in full under a contract and it’s up to tmo how they want to sell the products..

GS3

I’m not sure by the way..

gnd

Weird that the announcement just says some Apple products. Does not specify I phone! could be that they are aonly going to be selling wifi I pads!

thepanttherlady

Baby steps =P

thepanttherlady

And the update didn’t clarify either. :/

Whitney

It good you told me to wait. I guess I can mirgrate to value plan using EIP right?

thepanttherlady

Yes, you can migrate to the Value plan but since your contract is up in June, wait until closer to then so you don’t have to pay a migration fee. You can call T-Mo to find out when that is. When you do migrate, don’t utilize the EIP until the phone you want is available because you’re only allowed one device at a time per line utilizing the EIP option. You can continue using the same phone you have when you migrate until then.

Whitney

I wait until it closer then. Mean time I can finally get my driver license. I am legally blind and legally deaf on my left side of face

Whitney

I think it safe to say iphone and ipad. Why would T-mobile sale the ipod

Symsoul

It’s about time. I could care less about Apple products but this iwas a long time coming.

chris125

They better expand their network before this

bleeew

Great Job! GL and bring more competition to the market. I wish the best, hopefully T-Mobile can keep its customers.

I’m excited that T-Mobile will now better their service and people will finally experience 4G Unlimited on their iPhones ..as an Android fan I highly agree with TMos move because It’s all about business. Like if you feel happy for Apple fans

fsured

We can’t say it will be bad financially until TMO releases the prices and details. They may offer it at a hefty price for the customer with a smaller rebate/discount to protect their revenue. Will it require 2yr classic contract with 5gig data plan, etc. Lets hold judgment until we know the fine print.

noelsito

I can’t believe it, after years, T-Mo did it!! AH I’M SO HAPPY! Thanks David!! :)

melon3531

This may be saying more about Apple’s current frame of mind about the iPhone, than T-Mobile caving in. Apple may have finally just accepted what T-Mobile was willing to do rather than T-Mobile finally coming up to Apple’s level. We shall see about that. Anyway, I’ve never been an iOS fan and I’m not about to become one with this either…

Get_at_Me

Apple had nothing to lose by negotiating with TMO. As a supplier, why would you refuse to sell your product to a specific customer because they refuse to accept a hefty volume/lengthy contract? They should be satisfied with making some money from TMO rather than none.

elijah

Hopefully they can have almost all of there GRPS, EDGE network up to at least 3G by the time they get anything Apple. They will need it even more then.

Always

Damn I just signed up with AT&T, anyone know if the unlimited data will stick? May have to switch… Again

TyRetr0

Finally!! I guess they just had to wait until they reaffirmed their network and when they launch LTE.

trife

I think the obvious question here is how will they market this in areas that haven’t been re-farmed yet?

I had the iPhone 4 awhile back and while it was cool when I was on WiFi, being stuck on EDGE out in the real world suuuuuuuuuuuuucked. As much as I like the iPhone 5, there is absolutely no way I’d get it if I wasn’t able to utilize 3G. LTE will come, but you have to be able to at least get 3G in this day and age.

tomnewtn

I wouldn’t get the iPhone 5 if there is an iPhone 5S coming soon. Just rumors right now though but some pics released through C n e t that seem to suggest a new revision (like they did with the 4) has been in the works. I sent back my iPhone 5…I just like the feel and build of my 4s better.

ed lanum

wow. finally!!. very excited to upgrade to an iphone….wait….i dropped t-mobile 2 years ago cuz they didnt have the iphone. oh well too late!

TMoFan

I’m Android all the way but I’m really happy to hear this news. This won’t solve all of our problems but it will help. LTE-A iPhone would dominate!

The Architect

Guess it’s time to open up the flood gates and let in the “drowning rats” with their iPhags from other carriers to hog up our bandwidth and jack up our rates! smh!

xmiro

don’t tempt the devil now

Mirad77

Let’s wait for devil in the details to know what’s really gonna happen.

xmiro

hopefully it’s not going to hemorrhage them like Sprint. Maybe it will be a Value plan only deal although the EIP doesn’t add up to $649

thepanttherlady

We won’t know until the details/pricing are announced.

EIP’s are not the same pricing straight across the board for every device. It will be calculated accordingly.

xmiro

yeah but it’s either $15 or $20 a month and around $199 down without promos for high-end devices

CalicoKJ

Note2 is a higher down payment (299)…at least in my area

thepanttherlady

The down payments for high end devices on the Value plans are typically $249+. Then you have the $15 or $20 monthly payments for 20 months which make up the remaining $300-400 of the phone. For example: $249 down with 20/$20 monthly payments = $649.

Occasionally they do have sales which make the overall cost of the phone less which is why they call it a “sale”. For those, the down payment would be less (most likely involving a MIR). I’ll use your # as an example: $199 down (after MIR) plus 20/$20 monthly payments = $599.

They may be “stupid”, but T-Mos own data shows a significant amount of “churn” or leaving is due to not having this device.

fbphilly

I have been with T-Mobile since Voice Stream became T-Mobile. I know exactly what I am paying for. My brother was in a car accident and I had to use the phone so much while I was in hospital. TMO double the amount of minutes with no charge while my sister had to pay for each single minute she used over her plan with Verizon. This story happened back on 2006. Just because of this fact she switched 3 months after to TMO. I am always thankful of TMO for the way they tread costumers.

fbphilly

I have been with T-Mobile since Voice Stream became T-Mobile. I know exactly what I am paying for. My brother was in a car accident and I had to use the phone so much while I was in hospital. TMO double the amount of minutes with no charge while my sister had to pay for each single minute she used over her plan with Verizon. This story happened back on 2006. Just because of this fact she switched 3 months after to TMO. I am always thankful of TMO for the way they tread costumers.

Yup. The iPhone sells itself. People come into my store asking about it all the time. Can’t wait to see how much this will help T-Mo

CalicoKJ

I would like to see you try to do said “convincing” to my daughter. She’s had an android for over 2 years now because she needs the features of a smartphone.She’s been an Apple fan since I can’t remember when. My SIL gave her an old 3GS last month and she’s in heaven. We were going to save up to get her an unlocked 4S, but now will wait until this shows up on shelves.

Note I’m not arguing anything about the features and apps as I personally agree. However, there is a place for these phones and the users / money they bring back.

TYLERDERK

If she had a high end Android comparable in price to the iphone then maybe her experience would have been different.

CalicoKJ

I would like to see you try to do said “convincing” to my daughter. She’s had an android for over 2 years now because she needs the features of a smartphone.She’s been an Apple fan since I can’t remember when. My SIL gave her an old 3GS last month and she’s in heaven. We were going to save up to get her an unlocked 4S, but now will wait until this shows up on shelves.

Note I’m not arguing anything about the features and apps as I personally agree. However, there is a place for these phones and the users / money they bring back.

bleeew

Good luck with that.

Whitney

It is not up to you what consumers do with their money. They have a right to decide what best for them not you. If the consumer whats an iphone then you better give them the iphone

“Well this is finally going to happen because Steve Job’s shoe is now on the other foot, as the saying goes, it is Apple who is desperate… The iPhone will come to TMOUS, but not because TMOUS is finally willing to meet Apple’s terms. Nope, it is the other way around, Apple needs to bring as many carriers as it can into the Apple iPhone family.”

sidekicker89

Hey David, after the investor conference can you post the full video and also the slides?? I missed some of it.. watched most of it on my phone in my car haha

dkbnyc

Shat! There goes the neighborhood! There goes the great speeds I was getting in NYC. I despise all things APPLE.

AndroidProfit

it will be nice to see the crybaby Android fanboys breakdown within this comment section. This will be comedy gold.

probably same pricing as the note 2 or slightly higher. $300 20/20 iPhone 5 on value at launch then $200 20/20 for the 4S. $100 20/20 for the 4.. the next iPhone will push all previous iPhones down a tier.
like other carriers, don’t expect T-Mo to have free iPhone sales unlike with samsung phones.

Aurizen

this is awesome! I wonder how soon we’ll see it.

OnlineRefugee

The old saying “even a broken watch is correct twice daily” comes to mind.

I hope the people who over the past years have been saying “the iPhone is coming to T-Mobile” are still around to claim some glory, finally.

My favorite in 2009-10 when there was always someone who knew someone who worked in high places at TMOUS: “I know someone whose wife works for a T-Mobile big shot, and she said he said that he overheard while flying on a plane Apple and T-Mobile execs, sitting three rows back, near the engines. He could still hear them saying the iPhone was going to be at TMOUS, soon.”

TyRetr0

It’s probably smart to get a phone now then sell it when the iPhone is released.. Especially If you like your current plan.

terryjohnson16

AT&T just pissed in their pants. AT&T should be scared. No more GSM iphone monopoly.

Guest911

With Tmo going to value only, ATT isnt worried. The move to Value just made them happy.

unknown

You do realize that unlimited talk text and web on value is less than $100 a month on att it is over $100 idiot.

Guest911

U are a moron. Stop talking to adults.

OnlineRefugee

Actually, they may be a little concerned, but for about a year now Straight Talk prepaid has allowed users to bring any GSM iPhone they want to the service (even the 5). And with Straight Talk one pays $45 monthly (taxes included) for unlimited talk, text, and 4G data.

And the killer to all this, Straight Talk is an MVNO carrier, so the subscriber is using AT&T’s towers for that $45 monthly.

Yes, when T-Mobile gets the iPhone a Straight Talk subscriber can use that phone with Straight Talk the service too (as well as any T-Mobile phone). Same plan applies, $45 monthly for unlimited talk, text, 4G data.

Note: if one pays three months in advance, Straight Talk goes down to $42 monthly, six months, down to $41.

I’m still waiting for someone to provide an argument why it makes financial sense to go with AT&T or T-Mobile, when one can use the exact same phone and towers as they do, for $45 monthly. Some say “Well, I get a phone for $200, not $600.” OK, that sounds nice, except when I point out that if we look at that $400 difference as a “loan”, they are paying $950 annually in “interest” for it. (The $950 being the annual savings by going with Straight Talk instead of AT&T.)

Sidenote: It is Straight Talk that is changing the way carriers do business in the U.S. The WSJ was right when Straight Talk debuted its BYOP program (Bring Your Own Phone). It said that Straight Talk would FORCE AT&T to abandon its practices.

T-Mobile is wisely changing its business model. AT&T? I think they will go down fighting and picking the pockets of subscribers.

Diego Vazquez

I just signed a new 2 year Classic Plan Contract LOL.

thepanttherlady

Ouch. :)

romulus

I’ve been reading this site since Sept. of ’08. This has to be David’s happiest post.

reptarjr

I’m assuming he shed a tear when he heard the news.

jwblue

Awful! iPhone is a fad only will decrease the bottom line. Why not differentiate themselves by offering the best Android phones will keeping costs down!. HORRIBLE!

Eric

The “best” Android phones are upwards for $900, more than the iPhone 5.

Edward351

I wouldn’t bet on an early release of these products. The timetable is 2013 which is fairly broad. It might be that we’ll see the iPhone when Tmo gets their LTE network up to coincide with the new high speed network.

Maybe the world is going to end after all. Tin foil hats anyone? You are going to need it, apparently hell froze over. They will keep the CIA from hearing your thoughts and keep your head warm :D only $300 a piece can you really put a price on safety and piece of mind?

jwblue

Horrible!. The iPhone is a fad, will hurt the bottom line, and increase rates for everyone.

A fad? Fads last six years do they? :-) Just kidding, but it’s definitely not a fad and I don’t see that at all, it’s great for the company! That’s what people are missing, the company, it’s not about what YOU want, but choices for everyone.

remister

I’ve learned that consumers like stuff to work out of the box. Some others like to learn about their phones and how to customize about their phone. Different strokes for different folks. Android would not be where it should be without iOS.

Now to see if the iPhone stems the post-paid exodus and lures new subscribers.

And let’s see the terms. I assume TMOUS got a really great deal.

mreveryphone

Key word here is products, it could be just a branded lightning connector.

unknown

Don’t be stupid.

mreveryphone

Don’t be a troll

jbhotnessmon

wow the day i get a nexus this happens … just wow…. hell just froze over

Whitney

YESSSSSSSSSSSSS I can move to the Value plans and get the iphone via EIP

Whitney

YESSSSSSSSSSSSS I can move to the Value plans and get the iphone via EIP

Deadeye37

Hmmmm…. I can see how this happened now that I see the new article about moving everyone to Value Plans.

T-mobile won’t get its pockets raped by Apple because T-mobile won’t be subsidizing the phone unlike Sprint, ATT, & Verizon. So basically the customer can pay full price right there or have the payments broken out over 20 months as a part of their bill. This won’t affect the plan pricing either since its not subsidized.

Now, they just better not touch my grandfathered plan….

sidekicker89

Anyone know if we can watch the whole video again? is it online? Link please :)

GwapoAko

Yes!!! Finally we can get 3G on our iPhones (4$) !!!

Whitney

I am so happy that my contract is not up until June. Well patience is a virtue I guess. Now it time for some accessories shopping. Coach here I came.

thepanttherlady

Looks like all that waiting paid off. :)

thepanttherlady

Looks like all that waiting paid off. :)

Whitney

I am so happy that my contract is not up until June. Well patience is a virtue I guess. Now it time for some accessories shopping. Coach here I came.

Tmobile had a competative adv. on their plans and pricing, that will gone with Apple. Also iPhones (and the idiots that use them) hog the network. You think you had bad signal before just ask AT&T and Verizon customers how thier service has suffered.

thepanttherlady

Because only iPhone users hog the network? SMH

Whitney

before anyone jumps for joys what are the details of the deal

Exile_One

wharever

GS3

Ahh that’s good news.. I hope tmobile stays the same though.. I love tmobile

taron19119

Now can we get WiFi calling on iphone

Deadeye37

With how closed the iPhone is and how controlling Apple is over their product, I highly doubt it.

taron19119

Now can we get WiFi calling on iphone

OnlineRefugee

Since “everyone and their mother’s uncle” has the iPhone, TMOUS should do something unique to set itself apart. Although I’m sure Apple controls this aspect of a deal, perhaps let people buy the phone on payments.

That would make the news, “a new affordable way to get the iPhone you want.”

Get_at_Me

that’s what the value plan (with equipment installment) allows

Get_at_Me

that’s what the value plan (with equipment installment) allows

mingkee

Even I am totally indifferent in this deal, it will attract some customers for sure.

ccnet005

Dude! Where’s my bandwidth!

image29

I just hope tmobile doesn’t have to pay a huge sum of money and doesn’t raise the price of service to cover it

CalicoKJ

Those worried about data overload. I wonder how much of the subscriber base is already on a smartphone and utilizing said data…including those already on an iPhone on the network.

CalicoKJ

Those worried about data overload. I wonder how much of the subscriber base is already on a smartphone and utilizing said data…including those already on an iPhone on the network.

What Apple does in the courtroom has nothing to do with you. Just enjoy their products or buy somethin else.

Trevnerdio

Yeah, kind of shows that they’re a terrible company.

Addam

You should expect a personal call from Tim Cook sometime this afternoon. Appl just dipped.

Trevnerdio

That pisses me off, their sue-happiness

RON

YAWN….

Enzowned

Who are the idiots who do not understand how big a deal the iPhone is? It drives the smartphone market, so of course it’s a huge plus for Tmo. Secondly now that they’re dropping subsidized plans, I imagine it can’t hurt Tmo or Apple, so who is declaring the end of Tmo? Some people…

YES!!! I will finally use my upgrade and get the iPhone and sell it for $900+ to some idiot in eBay/Craigslist Haha.

Dakota

So does that mean iphone 5s is coming to Tmobile next year? I wonder if theyll still offer the unlimited data? If they do that, and have a good strong advertising campaign (not resembling what they do now with Carly), this could be their chance to change the direction the company has been going

What makes it even better is that T-Mobile will be the only carrier offering it with a truly unlimited data plan with data speeds that are usable.

Marcos Hidalgo

While I am not an apple person, this was long overdue for those who do subscribe to that. But network quality needs to improve a great deal and with this netwok quality is only going to get worse imo.

reptarjr

Good news, but I feel like T-mobile users have been spoiled by Android devices to even consider the jump to the iPhone. But I guess having the option, plus the lower T-mobile rates is nice.

gg555

I dread the arrival of the iPhone. Prepare yourselves for the network becoming sluggish and overloaded like AT&T.

And prices are going to go up. Anyone who thinks otherwise, is fooling themselves. Maybe it won’t happen in the first six months to a year, but after that get out your wallets (I’m sure the T-Mobile execs are already rubbing their hands together in anticipation). The only reason prices have been so low is because T-Mobile has needed to find a way to attract customers, without the lure of the iPhone. Now that Apple’s cartel control over the major carriers will be complete, there will be no reason for real competition and prices will naturally go up (this is after all the purpose of cartels).

T-Mobile without the iPhone was a beacon of competition and potential innovation. With the iPhone there is no reason to be any different from anyone else (technologically or in terms of price points).

I think people are really missing the point (and failing to understand the underlying economics) if they think this is a good day for T-Mobile or the future of cell phone service in the U.S. The fact that no major carrier can survive without selling their soul to one particular producer of shiny objects is not a sign of a healthy industry with real choices and competition.

bleeew

Nope. This will bring in more customers.
More customers means more revenue
More revenue means better service.
AT&T stayed afloat because the iPhone. Look at the coverage for 2007, and now. It has expanded, and became more of a premium.

gg555

Yeah, you’re really wrong and missing the point.

1) AT&T’s coverage may have improved, but their network is notorious for being bogged down by the iPhone. iPhone users on average use far more bandwidth than other smartphone users. This is why AT&T doesn’t even offer a higher plan now than 5GB of data. But in any case, it was a huge ongoing PR nightmare for AT&T that the iPhone bogged down their network so much and they’re still scrambling to try to keep up with bandwidth demand. So it’s beyond me how you can deny this negative effect that everyone knows about and has been all over the news for years.

2) I didn’t deny that the iPhone would generate more revenue and more customers. If you actually read my post and understand it, I just said that the overall effect on the network will be negative, for the reasons I explain above. Indeed, coverage can increase and bandwidth use can simultaneously increase faster, creating a worse overall experience, as has been the case for AT&T.

3) You totally ignore my argument that in the long run T-Mobile will use this as a pretext to raise rates. Rates have been low, because T-Mobile had to find a way to compete without the iPhone. Now they don’t. Rates will go up. Competitive innovation will slacken. T-Mobile is in this to make money, not to be nice people.

4) The deals that Apple forces carriers to accept to carry the iPhone (required numbers of phones sold, draconian revenue sharing) are so onerous that they effectively turn Apple into a sort of cartel, able to dictate pricing models to the carriers, rather than the other way around (or rather dictate conditions which leave the carriers no other choice but to be forced into certain levels of pricing). Again, when one company has so much control and power over all the carriers, you quash competition. Prices, as a matter of basic economics, go up in these kind of situations without an improvement in services (because without real competition, there is no need to improve services to demand higher prices). In effect, even Android users will be subsidizing Apple.

6) It is also well known that on average in the U.S. we pay about twice as much money for the same level of cell phone service as most other countries in the world. This is not just because of Apple. It’s because of the lack of real competition in the U.S. in general. But the situation with Apple and it’s enormous ever growing anti-competitive influence only compounds the problem.

7) But I realize that people don’t really understand these things and just think that wherever the Jesus Phone goes miracles happen.

8) Let’s check back a six months to a year after the iPhone hits T-Mobile and see how “great”‘ things are.

Joseph M.

You’re overreacting. T-Mobile, like Verizon, is pretty good at managing their network. They’ll be fine. Your service will be fine. Relax and enjoy your freedom of choice.

Jarrod

Verizon isn’t good, their LTE network has sank like a rock their max speeds are nearly what I get on my iPhone on tmobiles single carrier HSPA network.

gg555

I’d say rather what’s happening is that you and others who celebrate the arrival of the iPhone are looking at things through rose colored (Apple deluded) glasses.

First of all, what freedom of choice? The freedom to buy a phone that I already can get on every other carrier and could buy unlocked and use on T-Mobile anyway, if I wanted to? How is T-Mobile becoming more like the other carriers a demonstration of having choices? Homogeneity is the opposite of choice.

Secondly, Verizon has a massive network with way more bandwidth than anyone else. T-Mobile’s network is in no way comparable to Verizon’s network. AT&T on the other hand does not have as big a network as Verizon, though much larger than T-Mobile, and AT&T has been completely overwhelmed by the data traffic generated by the iPhone since it’s original release. This is the number one complaint about AT&T, the amount of data congestion. So it is not an overreaction to think that T-Mobile’s much smaller network is not going to be able to handle a huge influx of iPhone data hogs. It is a rosely unrealistic silly underreaction not to be concerned about this.

Also, Verizon has far fewer iPhones activated on its network than AT&T. So Verizon is also not a good comparison for this reason as well. If T-Mobile gets the level of interest in the iPhone that AT&T has (which may be more likely since both are GSM carriers and Apple is generally more friendly to GSM carriers) then there is no question that T-Mobile’s lesser network will perform even more poorly in the face of the data demand that AT&T already can’t handle.

There is no way this is a good situation for non-iPhone users. People who think otherwise just have overly simplistic views of the economics and technological realities of the situation.

I realize I’m a lone voice making this point. But again, let’s just check back six months or a year after the iPhone’s arrival on T-Mobile and see how the network is going and what plan prices are looking like.

khha4113

On other news, T-Mobile plans not “subsidizing” phones anymore. It means you have to buy your Iphone at full price (currently $649 for Iphone 5). According to Slashgear.

Whitney

They have EIP which allows pay off the phone over 20 month period

TayshaunBoba

I’m sorry, but for those complaining about iPhone bogging down the network and citing AT&T as an example, AT&T is the exception and not the rule. Look at Verizon. Their network hasn’t changed. As for Sprint, they DID take a hit but you have to remember they ignored their network for years and were preoccupied with Nextel. Meanwhile, TMO has been funneling billions into network upgrades over the years and has made fiber backhaul a very large priority. TMO’s strategy has always been be last and be the best (look at both their 3G and 4G rollouts as evidence).

bleeew

True, Verizon’s was never affected. I’ve had the same speeds the whole time before VZW iPhone.

Jarrod

Verizon was affected but that’s because they don’t do enough maintenance and having the towers over subscribed. Sprint had a poor network to begin with and AT&T didn’t take 3G seriously and underestimated what would happen once they actually got a sizeable subscriber base on 3G.

Christopher Rodriguez

Hell has now frozen over. Poop.

Mimo Dakdouk

Does this mean iPhone 5, or 4S/4?

I’d personally rather have T-Mobile bring the Lumia 920, but I know that’s not really a possibility at the moment. Sigh… if I wasn’t signed to a contract I wouldn’t hesitate to leave T-Mobile and buy a 920 to use on Straight Talk or some other prepaid service. I love T-Mobile’s low prices and decent CS (much better than AT&T’s from what I’ve heard), but they’re smartphone line up doesn’t appeal to me.

Deylight

Though I love my Android phone, it’s nice to know we’ll have a choice.

Mike

Yawn!

Whitney

I hope includes the ipad

bewitness

Who cares, Did acquiring the iPhone significantly help Sprint? Did it cause customers to dump Verizon and AT&T to go to Sprint’s offering of an iPhone and lower rate plans? The truth is that it’s great for t-mobile to offer a very popular phone but the iPhone is about to hit a downward spiral. Too many people have a version of the iPhone. It’s no longer a status symbol to have one and the people that do have one are starting to see the restrictions that apple places on it’s crown jewel.

What good is the iPhone on T-Mobile if it’s limited to the abysmal 2G Edge data rates?

Joseph M.

It won’t be. As T-Mobile reworks their network for LTE, they’re moving 3G to the 1900 MHz PCS band, just what the iPhone needs for HSPA+ data. LTE is in the cards, too, once T-Mobile finally launches the new network.

chad

To bad iphones suck

angry t-mo custard

value plans can suck it……

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