Post by scottishshooter on Apr 10, 2013 6:08:05 GMT -5

So it's early. I haven't slept and my wife wondered if war would affect the festival. I can't imagine that we're in any danger but unless Manchester is bombed I'm still going. Stupid nuclear war. This is my first Bonnaroo. Why is North Korea trying to mess with that

Post by George on Apr 10, 2013 9:00:16 GMT -5

You're all crazy. Two weeks from now North Korea nukes Seoul, Obama drafts everyone 18-25 into the military, not enough people at Bonnaroo, McCartney pulls out due to lack of audience, Bonnaroo loses all credibility and can no longer book artists, the festival tries to continue for 2-3 years but can't regain that magic with the now Second Korean War vets who were once the base of the festival, Bonnaroo dies. Thanks Kim Jong-Un.

Post by nthingtolose on Apr 10, 2013 9:17:31 GMT -5

He is just consolidating his military power base.. There is ZERO smart money on ANYTHING happening other than that.. He has been struggling in this area. Same reason he is visiting the military camps so frequently. In the past we have negotiated their nuclear proliferation with additional aid. This is the same circle that N. Korea has used for over 3 decades now.

The spillover of Syria has exponentially larger impacts and even then they are so small in the grand scheme.

Bonnaroo shall go on!

Although people posting there is zero chance to hit mainland that is also incorrect. There is definitely a possibility. They have guidance issues because they don't have the proper GPS sattelites to navigate the missles. But this is more like "We aren't sure if we can or not but we can definitely light the fuse and watch. " Either way if anything were to actually go to war they would use 1 on South Korea and 1 on Japan keeping the other 2-4 for defense capabilities.

Post by jpbrez on Apr 10, 2013 11:12:03 GMT -5

It's all blown way out of proportion. I live in Seoul and I can tell you no one thinks that they are in actual danger of being nuked. The Western media firestorm over this issue is baffling and infuriating. The quotes about "declaring war" are mistranslated and can't even be traced back to any official North Korean organization, least of all Kim Jung Un.

Post by katbur2 on Apr 10, 2013 11:17:16 GMT -5

It's all blown way out of proportion. I live in Seoul and I can tell you no one thinks that they are in actual danger of being nuked. The Western media firestorm over this issue is baffling and infuriating. The quotes about "declaring war" are mistranslated and can't even be traced back to any official North Korean organization, least of all Kim Jung Un.

I'm glad to hear from someone who is actually over there. The media coverage sounds a lot like the sabre rattling that occurred before W sent troops in to avenge his Dad.

Post by jpbrez on Apr 10, 2013 11:27:44 GMT -5

It's all blown way out of proportion. I live in Seoul and I can tell you no one thinks that they are in actual danger of being nuked. The Western media firestorm over this issue is baffling and infuriating. The quotes about "declaring war" are mistranslated and can't even be traced back to any official North Korean organization, least of all Kim Jung Un.

I'm glad to hear from someone who is actually over there. The media coverage sounds a lot like the sabre rattling that occurred before W sent troops in to avenge his Dad.

This was one of my coworker's facebook statuses yesterday. I feel it has enough truth to go around:

"warning: this is a rant. i'm really frustrated with this situation at the moment, and although i am not an expert on the issue whatsoever, i want to express something. media corporations, no matter where they are, fuel themselves by creating a culture of fear.

the north korean media is creating a state of panic in their culture to fuel the communist regime. they are trying to solidify collective support for their government, of which kim jong un has recently taken control. the western media is creating a state of panic to fuel the capitalist regime. they are trying to sell magazines, newspapers and emergency supply kits, as well as maintain good ratings for the major news corporations. kim jong un is a new leader. he is very young, and fat according to korean standards (beauty is success here). he is trying to prove himself as a powerful military dictator, like his father.

similarly, park geun hye is a new leader. she is south korea's first female president, and she is trying to solidify herself as a strong leader as some people have taken to the essentialist opinion that being female somehow makes her weak. she has been very quick and direct in her responses to the perceived threats from the north because she is trying to prove herself as a powerful military leader, like her father. therefore, there are ideological and political intentions that we must understand.

let's not forget that kim jong un has a wish list. they want to develop a nuclear program and they desperately need humanitarian aid. they seem to follow a pattern: create a crisis, freak everybody out, then receive aid in return for calming down. apparently, they've now issued a warning to foreigners to leave korea. this warning has the potential to affect the south korean economy greatly as there are hundreds of thousands of foreign people living and working in korea, and it also impacts their tourism industry. the value of the korean won has already dropped in the past month. i believe that they're trying to back the south into a corner so that they can negotiate what they want.

having said all of that, let's not forget the reality that north korea is an extremely impoverished nation. they have a massive military because of mandatory conscription, but most of these people are malnourished. they do not have the economy to support an army in a war. they do not have the resources. they would be bat shit stupid to attack two of the wealthiest and most technologically advanced nations in the world. i understand that kim jong un is considered a psychopath, but he is also egotistical. to attack would mean suicide, and i'm sure that he's too happy with his privileged life and god-like status to give it all up.

FURTHERMORE, where the f*ck is this information coming from? the media has reported that foreigners should evacuate the country, but my government has yet to contact me (and i am registered with the embassy). the media has reported that kim jong un declared a state of war a few weeks ago, but there isn't a reliable source that traces back to him ever having said that. in fact, it is speculated that it could have been a mistranslation (http://www.globalresearch.ca/dprks-state-of-war-declaration-is-a-faulty-translation-not-an-official-policy-statement-from-kim-jung-un/5329687)

it frustrates me when people believe that the media corporations are a reliable source of information. i'm not saying that there is no possibility of an attack, but i'm saying that if you look at it logically, it is unlikely. and it is certainly not something to worry about. i may be taking a risk by living here, but we take countless risks in our everyday life that do not pass our minds as a cause for concern. every city with any chance of opportunity has it's dangers, and seoul - with it's ridiculously low crime rate - is not an exception. i've found a place where i'm happy and financially stable. i'm not about to pack my bags and pay thousands of dollars to fly home and not be able to make ends meet, just because the media (which has a reputation for being full of shit) suggests that i do. if my government sends me an email suggesting that i evacuate, sure, i'd take that seriously. but i will not take advice from any biased, unreliable media corporation."

Post by Pops on Apr 10, 2013 11:45:43 GMT -5

Just so we're clear, I wasn't actually worried about Bonnaroo getting nuked. Seems as though most everyone got that. Sorry about the spelling issue. For some reason auto correct didn't kick in.

That's okay - there's some folks here who think the thread about Who Will Ruin Bonnaroo is really about who will ruin Bonnaroo and not a sarcastic jab at those others who always think that any single act or thing will really ruin Bonnaroo.