UPDATE: These guys, Steve and Fred McChesney, are doing a great job with their show out in Phoenix, and are right on point on the topic of Election Reform. As well, they're willing to hit the bricks to put their money where their mouth is and make some noise on the ground about the issue (only to be disparaged as "brown shirts" in the bargain!) What they're doing is exactly what's needed by the citizenry of this country right now to get things done on these matters! Give 'em a listen. Here's the MP3's from today's show with myself and Mark for your podcasting pleasure...

...ALSO...speaking of Phoenix, I was recently on conservative Jay Lawrence's show on Newsradio 620 KTAR on New Years Day to discuss some of the same dirty business. In this case, about the "case against Diebold" as discussed with an intellectually honest Republican. The good John Brakey (tireless and intrepid fightin' Election Reform patriot in AZ) requested I post the audio from that show as well, so I am happy to honor the request. Consider it done, John...

Ricky the only thing I see dieing is the support for the GOP and the goon squads hanging around the whitehouse. It was bad enough when Governors did not want the president to campaign for them now they will not even want thim in their state.

Mary Jane - Jeff Fisher's story seems to be little more than disinformation spread by folk related to the LaRouche folks. I'd recommend avoiding that story, like the plague personally. I don't think Jeff has purposely spread disinfo, but is likely the victim thereof. You can do a search for "Jeff Fisher" here on BRAD BLOG to read some of my early reporting on his story when it first emerged just after the Nov 4, 2005 election.

I know its got interesting tidbits, but it is interlaced with so much fake information involving child rapists its not funny.

I know that Mel Sembler really is connected to the mafia and involved in some shady things, but come on the FBI stalked Jeff Fisher everywhere and threatened him!??

The FBI doesn't do that. If that ever really happened, and some reporter can prove it than those people who harassed him weren't FBI. And they were probably harassing him not just because they were whackjob type people, but because Jeff sounded crazy.

The schools out there who hacked "elections" are possible but there has never been any proof that it happened. And oh I forgot, the real money-trail for election fraud has since been found and in Ohio it was connected to Thomas Noe. And most likely the real money trail is tied to Greenberg Traurig, a lawfirm that is hooked into the mob and wouldn't waste time hiring school students as hackers.

If you're curious at all its something to look into, and if you know clint curtis personally you can probably find out if he really sent any emails. Curtis's emails would prove right away how much of it was real or not.

It must be something to stop the truth from coming out. The GOP is crazy enough to do things under our noses. Why would a man give up his own liberties for no money, because he knew the truth and that it must prevail. I got an email from a Curtis Garner from Hayward that says it all. I hope that Doug E. finds God and realizes that his actions are truely UnPatriotic and UnDemocratic.

Hope *I* find god?!??? No offense but you sound like a typical neocon. You seem to think the whole world revolves around you.

Newsflash: The Jeff Fisher story was most likely *PLANTED* to prevent people from knowing the truth and nobody wants to investigate it for that reason!

By the way the FBI, Federal Office I have talked to them before and they have never been involved in any "Florida" fraud investigation. They took tips from someone and that is it, I even know someone who works in Florida. The FBI is who nailed Tom Noe and sent him to jail for money laundering, money laundered into Ohio campaign coffers all over the place. Why would the FBI randomly harass citizens who claimed to have evidence of crimes? Unless they were just impersonators like the Ohio Homeland security lockdown in Warren County, Level 10 terror alert.

Ok, this is the same Jeff Fisher that appeared at Conyer's election irregularities hearing and had to be shouted down by the congressmen? He sounded downright paranoid at the time. Has he ever offered ANY information beyond the type of ranting he's become known for? His website has been scrubbed and the archive cache doesn't show anything. A quick search doesn't show any connections to larouche, but there were several others in attendence representing him. Asa Gordon offered a strategy for turning over the election in Ohio based on the number of people disenfranchised which caught Conyers' ear. It's fascinating to see the different election reform movements at work and tapestry of disinformation that threatens them. Utterly fascinating.

On Nov. 7, 2004, the day before the Conyers hearings in D.C., Common Cause held a hearing at which Steny Hoyer, Bob Ney, Prof. David Dill, Nevada Secretary of State Dean Heller, and others were present. I went to it.

As I was leaving to catch my train home from Union Station, I ran into Jeff Fisher in the lobby outside the hearing room. He flattered me by asking, "Are you THE Robert Lockwood Mills?" I said, "I don't think so, but I didn't realize there was another one." He then told me about how he had provided John Conyers with iron-clad proof of fraud in Florida, which turned out to be the business about the kids at the military-style school being trained to rig election machines. He said that even his wife didn't believe him, but he was desperate to tell his story and had traveled from Florida at his own expense to do so. Since I was a writer (how did he know that, since we'd never met before?), could I help him? Very odd.

He had been running for Congress from South Florida, so I didn't dismiss him out of hand as a kook. Plus, I had just returned from Florida where I had seen actual vote flipping. We exchanged e-mail addresses and phone numbers.

Nothing has developed in the last 14 months, so I'm skeptical that Jeff Fisher actually gave John Conyers anything concrete about the election. Don't know where Jeff is at this point. The idea that he was an unwitting pawn in a disinformation plot makes sense to me, though. Great Rovian-style trick; if you're cheating, create a situation where someone accuses you of cheating according to an implausible scenario, then debunk the scenario and ascribe the whole thing to "conspriacy theorists."

I've read the whole thing and I wish you could summarize it in just one paragraph.

The DNC won't do a damn thing, so if there was proof or something and this guy brought it there, it was probably dismissed.

After witnessing the whole hacking demonstration in Florida using banned-interpreter code, I am more curious than ever about this story....I shall look into some items and contact VoteTrustUSA if I find anything concrete.

I have been following this and it has been verified that he did show up at the bookstore and had his information passed on to the Secret Service. Since this is the case, Its time to call Senator Boxer, Congressman John Conyers, Congressman Dennis Kucinich, Congessman Charles Rangel, Congressman Kendrick Meeks, Congressman Barney Frank and Congressman Patrick Kennedy. These Democrats must know about this transfer of vital information.

To reach them I am posting their phone numbers.

Start Calling them on Tuesday and every day for a week demanding that they make this know to all Americans.

Tell them it is their duty to serve the Constitution and the American people.

One of the posts above is confusing and misleading. It mixes a private e-mail from me to a "Curtis Garners" with the author's own comments.

For the record, Black Box Voting has never been into the Jeff Fisher story, I have not heard anything yet to indicate it is plausible.

The ONLY actual quote from me from the huge post above is this:

"There are many election reform organizations. Have you contacted John Gideon of VotersUnite.org or Brad Friedman of bradblog.com?

Let me know how they respond to your tips. Thanks!"

It is in response to this private email from Curtis Garner, who was sending emails around implying that I was looking for Jeff Fisher information:

To Bev Harris, I am ashamed of you. Are you related to Katherine Harris? You and the rest of the establishment are now banking on election problems. You ask for money! Did Jeff Fisher ask for money when he exposed the truth last year? NO! He doesn't even know about me posting information on him. I told you he has become very quiet. Its time to Wake Up America to the Truth. I am going to let the entire world know that you have taken the position of hiding the truth. I am awaiting your reply.

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Not wanting to be rude, I simply thanked him for the information and suggested he take them elsewhere.

I also notice in the post above that the author includes various comments by people completely unrelated to me and then sticks links to Black Box Voting pages under them.

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Bev Harris I hope that some one notifies you of what I am about to write.
Bev my name is Al Rogers back in Novemeber and December of 2004 you and I had about 5 or 6 conversations in regards to election fraud evidence Jeff W Fisher and I Al Rogers had turned over to the F.B.I. on November 8th of 2004.
Bev Harris you and Jeff W Fisher had a personality conflict. It is very childish to deny your interest in the election fraud evidence Jeff W Fisher turned over to the F.B.I. Joe Sandler a lawyer of the DCCC
(Democrat party) and I had many conversations about the electiio election fraud evidence. Mr Walsh a very respected investigator for Congressmen Kuchinch also investigated the election fraud evidence Jeff Fisher turned over to the F.B.I. Congressmen Patrick Kennedy and his staff have reviewed the Election fraud evidence Jeff W Fisher turned over to the F.B.I.
Only Russell Baker had a problem verifying all of Jeff W Fisher's evidence.
Bev Harris I respect all the hard work you have done regarding educating the American voting public about the Election fraud that took place in 2004. Don't jeopardize your credibilty by casting doubts about the evidence Jeff W Fisher has turned over to Congressmen Conyers,congressman Kennedy Congresswomen Mckinney, and other respected congressmen.
You Jeff and I, Al Rogers had several 3 way conversations. So I know I have no doubt Jeff W Fisher shared election fraud evidence you found credible.
Anyone interested in learning more about the evidence of election fraud please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/electionfraud2004/
24 congressional candidates have reivewed the files and are members of that grassroots organization. More than 1000 people are members of this organization.
Bev Harris you and I know you don't like Jeff and probably for some valid reasons. He was rude with you on one occassion. But I know the truth and so does Doug Eldritchez...and so do you. Jeff W Fisher has made a lot of personal sacrifices to uncover alot of the evidence.
Before Mr Clint Curtis went public with his whistle blowing evidence....more than a month before I personally told the F.B.I. that Computer programmers Sean Lennon and Dr Piotre Blass both revealed that Clint Curtis was involved in the develpoing the technique to deveope commuter hacking proceedure to alter the election results of electronic voting machines.
You ask Clint Curtis if he had ever heard of Jeff W Fisher and Al Rogers before he met him at the john Conyers hearing in mid December 2004. He will tell you he never heard of him or me!!!1
I hope some one passes this email post over to Brad Freidman and Bev Harris!!!!
Sincerely
Al Rogers