I Want to Leave Islam

Pamela Geller is a brave woman at the forefront of our fight against the encroachment of Islam on western civilization. She is the person who raised the attention of the Americans about the Islamic ploy to build a victory mosque only a block away from the ground zero where the WTC twin towers stood and stopped that project. Pamela is also the one who saved Rifqa Bari, the young American Pakistani girl who converted to Christianity and was threatened by her parents that if she does not revert she would be killed.

Among other thing Pamela has also founded the www.leaveislamsafely.com. Periodically people from all over the world write to her enquiring how they can leave Islam without losing their lives. Pamela forwards some of these emails to me which I am glad to respond. This is what one person writes from Pakistan

I am [name remove] from Pakistan. I want to be free i want to live a happy life I am reading many books about religions and I recognized that Islam is a fake religion, totally based on hatred. I visited yours link www.leaveislamsafely.com. I don’t know what to do. Do you have any suggestions?

Stay safe

My first and foremost advice to anyone wanting to leave Islam is to stay safe. We don’t want you to be a hero and our cause does not require martyrs. We need you to stay alive and we want to see you live a long, happy, free and productive life.

If you live in an Islamic country, we cannot provide any safety for you. Assuming there were people who could help you there we would not be able to introduce them to you as this would put their lives at risk. So you are on your own. You have to take care of your safety. What we can do is give you some commonsense tips and suggestions.

Don’t reveal your thoughts to anyone, including your family and your best friends. I receive numerous emails from new apostates who say they thought it is safe to talk to their non-practicing sibling or friends. They were shocked when these people turned against them. Muslims don’t’ care whether you practice Islam or not. But they do care that you stay a Muslim, even if it is by name. The least practicing Muslim can turn violent if you tell him you no longer believe in Islam.

What to do now?

One of the most frequently questions asked, when someone decides to leave Islam is, what they should do now. The answer is nothing. You don’t have to do anything to leave Islam. Islam is a belief. Once you stop believing you are no longer a Muslim. There are no rituals to perform and no membership cards to sign. The bondage of Islam is mental. Once you break that bondage you are free.

I know we humans need symbolism and rituals. This is a psychological need. A friend of mine who left Islam went to a church and baptized. He also changed his name from Hussein to Cyrus. I asked whether he is a Christian. He said no, but that he needed to do this little ceremony to make it official, at least in his own mind, that he is not a Muslim anymore. I did not need any ceremony to prove to myself that I am not a Muslim. I did not change my so called Islamic name. The fact is that Ali is not an Islamic name at all. Abu Talib who named his son Ali, was not a Muslim and he never accepted Islam. Another person named Ali was the son of Ummayh ibn Khalaf, who was killed by Bilal, his father’s ex- slaver, along with his father, treacherously.

If you really need a ceremony, recite to yourself, I testify that Allah is no God and Muhammad was a mentally sick man. That should do.

When you leave Islam you don’t pay the zakat. Zakat finances Islamic jihad. This so called charity is never used for charity. It is used to build mosques and madrasahs and to promote Islam. Even if it is used to build orphanages, the idea is always to raise children as fanatical Muslims and soldiers of Allah. The most vicious and the most inhumane protectors of the mullahs in Iran are known as basijis. They are mostly children of the Iranian soldiers who were killed in the Iran Iraq war and raised as orphans by the Islamic regime to become their henchmen. They are brainwashed killing machine. The regime has turned them into monsters. They have no qualm butchering the people to protect the mullahs. These were orphans raised by the mullahs. Muslims don’t do charity works without any strings attached. Once you stop paying zakat you are not financing Islamic terrorism. Do your charity personally where you can see how the money is used.

Also don’t go to the mosque. Your attendance only strengthens Islam in the same way that the attendance of ordinary Germans in Hitler’s rallies made him stronger. If more people don’t give their support to this cult of death, Islam will become less relevant.

Support

You need support, but unfortunately this is hard to get when you live in an Islamic country. I suggest you join an online community of apostates. You can find many people in your situation. Those who have left Islam can share their experiences with you.

If you live in a non-Muslim country, particularly in a European or American country, there are organizations that can provide temporary shelter for those people whose life are in danger. Young women particularly are in danger.

Should you join another religion?

This is a very personal choice that only you can make. Many apostates of Islam choose to remain irreligious. Some still believe in God and some don’t and some become agnostic. Others join a different faith. Each person has a different need and so are our choices. Whatever you do, don’t join another fanatical faith. You don’t want to come out of the frying pan to fall into the fire. Follow your reason. Even if you go wrong, you can correct it.

I strongly suggest you continue visiting your psychologist and trust him. These thing you say are your perceptions. Girls don't flirt and kiss other boys to tease you. They do it because they are looking for a mate. This is normal. If men (boys) are unkind to you it is because the way you interact with them. You need psychiatric help. But don't feel bad about it. You are a beautiful child of God and loved by him equally. Just as some people are born with physical handicaps, it seems that you have a mental challenge that you need to overcome. Trust in God and follow the instructions of your psychologist of psychiatrist. Your problems will not go away if you change your country. You can certainly apply for work visa and if you are qualified you may get a visa to migrate to a non-Muslim country. Of course life is easier here but you will bring your problems along. Trust your mental health doctor and trust God. We can't help you from the long distance. You need to see your mental health provider.

please help please reply i want to leave islam i am in extremely in trouble

i have been teased humiliated insulted beaten up boycotted attacked psychologically aggressively behaved impolite talked for continuously in my whole 4 years of engineering …………..by all my neighbours friends relatives classmates strangers at that time not even god talked the reason that i was believing allah truly me nor removed my loneliness as he never exist ……….then i strongly believed that god never exist

all girls wherever i found them they use to humiliate me by talking with boys and k****** and doing s** in front of me humiliating me as a result all boys use to beat me (they includes neighbours friends relatives classmates strangers) as a result i am going to psyciatrist doctor because of my mental illness

please reply will u help me in getting a job in the area where only christian lives

please help me i want to marry western christian girl and settle in western countries i am a engineer

please help in just getting a job in western countries in christian populated area i am engineer,i have been attacked by all muslim boys a lot and muslim girls use to humiliate me,by talking attractively to all boys surrounding me, as a result boys use to beat be if you don't believe me you can inquire about me,please help me,i don't want to leave muslims,please help me to get out of here

I would like to post one of my experiences while I lived in Africa.There was a man who lived with his wife deep in the forest where my father had a timber mill.The nearest village near him was populated by Muslims.Our subject was of no religion[known as mpagani in Swahili and sometimes as kaffiri]One day his wife died and he did not know how to bury her in a right manner.So he asked the villagers for their help."Oh no we can not touch a kaffiris body.Firstly you have to be converted to Islam and ALSO YOUR DEAD WIFE"My father came to hear about the mans dilemma.He arranged for some of his workers to bury the woman in the presence of a Catholic priest.We heard later that the man converted to Catholic religion.

This is AJS again.I heard Dr.Nayak from India on TV on Ask me anything about Islam program {the participants and the questions are all planted of course] A man asked the doctor for hid advice.He worked in a super market [not many of them about in India] and he was disturbed a lot because he had to handle pork products and being a good Muslim he did not like it.What was Dr Nayaks advice ?"iT IS ALL RIGHT IF YOU HANDLE FIFTY PERCENT OF THE PRODUCT AND NO MORE THAN FIFTY PERCENT"The man seemed quite satisfied with the answer.It just shows what sort of people Islam produces and people like Dr Nayak just love them.

Muslims and also some Christians believe that God created them in heaven or it was by intelligent creation process and not like the rest of us infidels who evolved from monkeys.Which means that their biological make up must be different than ours.Their blood is different,internal organs are different which means that when it comes to blood transfusion or life saving organ transplants these things will not match.The most stupid example is of the late leader of North Korea who we are told was born out of light from above and during all of his life time he never went to toilet..

Muslims believe that when a good Muslim dies and is buried his body is reconstructed bit by bit in heaven.If he was not a good Muslim his body ends up in hell where he is revived to be tortured for ever and ever.My point is that all Muslim graves must be empty.So how come Yasser Arafats body was exhumed for medical checks to determine whether he was poisoned or not by Israels secret service.Did he not go to heaven or did he come back to earth from heaven ? What I am trying to say here is that there is no hell or heaven as described in the Quran.This mother earth of ours is heaven and it is only certain nasty beings make it a hell.l. .

i am a born hindu and for me sanatan dharma is another fucking eastern mysticism concept, though less harmful than Islam, nevertheless satanic…it's proponents are intellectual garbage and scum bags who try to seek salvation in unscientific apocryphal mythical stories and practising bigotry.

Saki,
I am not an expert on muhammadanism but I would like you to examine the life and claims of Muhammad who founded the 'religion'. You will find his claims and life to be completely incongruous with those of a prophet.
Muhammadans claim that Muhammad was the best of creation. But he was a rapist, mass murderer, an armed robber, a pedophile who was responsible for many wars. Destruction and misery are the direct outcomes of war. Ask yourself if a true prophet would have caused more than 60 wars and personally led 25 of them in the last 10 years of his life. That was what Muhammad did. He encouraged slavery and slave trade. The articles of trade or chattels were children whose fathers Muhammad had killed in his wars. Women captives were distributed among his followers to serve as sex slaves. Saki, how would you feel if a man killed your father, enslaved you and your brothers and caused your mother, sisters, aunts and cousins to be raped? That was what Muhammad did and he is to be emulated.
Muhammad caused hatred against those who did not believe in him or his rantings. To be saved from his murderous rage, he decreed that one MUST embrace his course. For that reason, any community which rejected him was attacked without warning. Muhammad introduced violence on a scale that had never been seen before his emergence. His followers have built on this and are causing mayhem around the world. Muhammadans are responsible for not less than 90% of all violence in the world today. Are those from a religion of peace?
To prove that Muhammad was an impostor, he claimed that God had revealed everything to him including all the things which will happen on the Day of Judgment. He claimed to have the key to paradise. He claimed that he was the final prophet who was above even the angels and on the Day of Resurrection he will intercede for muhammadans. Yet that same god did not reveal to him that he was going to be poisoned. That god abandoned him to die a degraded death after three years of excruciating agony. He wrote in the quran that evil doers go through the agony of death. But when the pain that killed him was intense, he prayed to his god to "save him from the agony of death". Saki, that was self confession by the man that he was an evil doer.
Naturally a prophet, who has served his God well, as Muhammad claimed, will be happy to see the 'hour come' because he will receive his eternal reward. Not so with Muhammad. Once there was an eclipse and Muhammad was frightened that it was the Day of Judgment. This raises some fundamental questions. Why was a true prophet afraid of judgment day instead of looking forward to it? Being afraid means that he knew of the punishment that awaited him for the falsehood he perpetrated. If truly he was a prophet, why did allah not warn him about the event that was about to happen whether it was eclipse or Judgment Day? The answer is that Muhammad was never any prophet. He was a liar to the core who used brute force to terrorize people and make them swallow his lies.
No true religion is afraid of dissension. People should be free to hold contrary opinions and apostatize if they want to, This is not true of muhammadanism. Free thinking is apostasy and carries with it the death penalty. Because muhammadanism is scared of free thinking, islamic countries remain virtually insulated and are under the most draconian laws especially as they affect the rights of women.
Muhammad's claim that what he founded was the cap on the earlier revelations is a mountain of false hood because muhammadanism is so diametrically opposed to those earlier ones that all of them could not have come from the same source.
On his deathbed Muhammad cursed the Jews and Christians for burying their dead in places of worship. To show the hypocrisy in this, Muhammad was buried in the largest mosque in Medina. Muhammad arrogated to himself several privileges which he denied others. That was not the hallmark of prophethood.
When about to die he was asked what would happen to him. He replied that he did not know what allah was going to do to him. A true and faithful prophet would have had no hesitation about the hereafter.

@Saki,
What a choice of pseudonym!!! Reminds me of one of my favourite author H H Munro. Coming to your question of what Islam is, very precisely and in very short, Islam is the believe that Muhammad was a divinely inspired person whose every word, even in its literal sense, and act is worth following. So if he says that the Quran is a revelation, you believe it, if he says that disbelievers in him being a messenger of God are not to be taken as friends, you obey him etc.

I'm a Muslim-born young boy in my teens who's really in a pickle as to what the true nature of Islam is (I'm not very religious), which seems to be due to the conspiracies that surround it. I'd honestly like someone to give me a thoughtful and unbiased response as to what Islam is.

I think that it'd be best that to have something to think about until I finally come to the part in my life when I decide to become a full Muslim or lead my life as an Atheist.

Quanta,
Without the hadiths almost nothing will be known about Muhammad.as the quran contains only his opinions. Those who reject the hadiths do so out of shame because of Muhammad's evil the hadiths expose. Hisham, while reviewing ibn Ishaq's book, said that he had to omit many facts because they would have made many people rather uncomfortable. If what the sira contains is the polished image, it leaves to be imagined what the full undiluted form would have read like.The quran itself has cautioned muhammadans not to ask questions as the answers will discourage them to leave as the earlier people did.
Initially, all muhammadans took pride in the "sunnah of the prophet" just like the Nazis were proud to keep record of their atrocities. They never imagined that it would boomerang. Today many of them are ashamed of the content and rush to either distance themselves by denying that they events ever took place and that whatever has been written are pure lies or that the hadiths are not revelations and as such are not authentic sources. Shabby has done that on this website.

That is why, when exposing orthodox Islam, people need to be delicate and sweet. Set up "conditions" for Muslims such as"you should acknowledge these Hadith and suna, and say "We must REJECT these backward practices of the prophet as they are not relevant in the 21st Century and are wrong: Our prophet made grave mistakes and we must not follow everything he does" – Many Christians learned that they must not take the Bible literally, and adapt their faith. The Old Testament instructs parents o kill disobeying children an nit even the most religious of Jews follows that anymore.

Brothers and sisters in, Jesus will comes and those who don't believe and except him as their saviour, yeah….that's it, he will also rejects for ever. Jesus is the way , the truth and the life. But truly, i don't force any one to believe in what i had just said, it is all in the Holy Bible. John 1, vs 1 to 5. God bless you dear brothers and sisters in christ. Jesus loves you dearly……!!!,

Actually compared to other religions which allow conversion, more people do convert to Islam. But this is hardly because they see some kind of spiritual light in Islam. All the 3 persons who I have personally known to have converted to Islam have done so because their would be husband asked them to since apparently they can't marry a non-muslim. Although 3 is rather a small number to draw conclusions from, thats as many as I know of.

It's a Muslim invention that "a lot of people" convert to Islam. Actually over 6 million people A YEAR in Africa alone are willing to sacrifice being killed by converted AWAY from Islam. And 70% of the delusional who know nothing about Islam in the west who convert – leave Islam in less than 3 years when reality hits them.

I'm sure Sina has provided plenty of evidence over the years. Muslims don't want evidence. No matter how much is available to them, they don't read it. I'm sure he's tired of wasting his time on a useless indoctrinated crowd.

This was what your master Mohammed ,you are following him religiously, your own statement shows how you are unable to grasp higher truth's and settle down to lower level of existence and claiming knowing the God (if any), shame on you..

The great Allah,who's definition, his great followers do not know, made Muslims , dependent on the time for their schedule 5 time useless prayer,on the tic ,tics (watch) provided by infidels.,poor Allha , who do not know much about his own creation.

Oye Aminriadh – just like your profit profiteer mo , you talk all incoherent , irrelevant, nonsensical rant , Your's all garbage merely to be flushed into toilet. If you read ISLAMIC books – SIRA, HADIS and QQUURRAAN , then you know that you dont have a chance to face any criticism and truth from Unbelievers. The existence of ISLAM is a challenge to human civilization. ISLAM is a terrible, terribel religion. There is no spirituality in ISLAM , because MO was not knowing anything about world. Mo did not have any idea about the world , people, life, questions , how to raise human society to a higher level of thinking and make this world a better place , filled with love, peace, happiness and oneness of humanity. Why ? Because MO was a thug a criminal driven by his own personal and extremely selfish qualities. Mo was ignorant. Mo copied everything from other sources.

You know full well – if you started on actual topic . . . you will lose.

You aint good enough.

It BIT OBVIOUS you will claim something of the sort.

Given your mundane response – in the first place.

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"I have no master and I am better than you on facts, but not on your NONSENSICAL WORDS "

Another claim.

You merely say it . . . .

Who cares?

It is bit obvious you will say this.

Doh!

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"………….. For a change, refute the arguments if you can, rather than getting "tired"! "

What arguments WAS There to refute. . . .

YOU point that out . . . dear! 🙂

See – that is how DISHONESTY works

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"Your reply had nothing to do with the verses quoted, see what I mean! Meaningless semantics! "

Merely YOUR claim.

As you are AGAINST me . . .

OBVIOUS you will say this.

So what? Who cares?

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"Infidel/kafir wrote in detail about the insanities etc. in Islam, and your answer was? "

No he didn't.

This person merely insults – and does NOT engage in a meaningful exchanges.

Those petty insults are NOT anything other than insults.

Your level is the same.

Just because someone posts a well versed lists at you . . . wow! What I meant to be: impressed?

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"instead of countering logically what the writer had written, you provided more useless semantics, more of the same! "

Why don't YOU take up the cause . . . .

Why don't YOU explain what he wrote. . . that needed LOGIC.

You are being DISHONEST! And argumentative – without having any arguments.

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"THIS IS CLASSIC AMIN COMING OUT OF THE CLOSET. See what I mean? You do indulge in meaningless and unnecessary chit-chat! "

But there is NOTHING wrong in Chit-Chat!

The above comment isn't meaningless.

It says – in diplomatic terms . . . that this person is LYING!

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"YOUR ABOVE REPLY INDICATES ONE IS SURELY WASTING ONE'S TIME MENTIONING ANY ISLAMIC FACT(S) TO YOU, (WHICH HAS BEEN PROVED ABSOLUTELY AND IS ABOVE ANY ARGUMENT), you are sure to come out with more meaningless words, more garbage!
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You can make a start by reading Sina's many, many articles in <a href="http://www.faithfreedom.org” target=”_blank”>www.faithfreedom.org .
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"Grow out of this habit of Islamic taqiyya! "

Regarding what – exactly?

………………….. regarding what you write! When faced with incontrovertible evidence, you try to slip away by using meaningless semantics.
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"You don't what you are talking about.

I am destroying your master . . . and it hurts.

And you know – YOU are NOT good enough."

…………. Its not I who doesn't know, its you who knows not what he's talking about!

I have no master and I am better than you on facts, but not on your NONSENSICAL WORDS
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"One get tired of seeing the same arguments repeated – over and over . . .

When easily answered . . . well – look what happens!

Names change – but same arguments again."

………….. For a change, refute the arguments if you can, rather than getting "tired"!
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When faced with violent and murderous verses from the Quran, your response was:
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"And why did you not mention any relating verses that DO talk about Peace?

Oh – they are NOT relevant are they."
———– Your reply had nothing to do with the verses quoted, see what I mean! Meaningless semantics!
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Infidel/kafir wrote in detail about the insanities etc. in Islam, and your answer was?

"This persona is Hindu – he makes up whatever

As for his names? He changes many . . . . yet his writing style is the same! Strange. "

………… instead of countering logically what the writer had written, you provided more useless semantics, more of the same!
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And when another commentator( an Arab muslim, presumably) said he wrote to Pamela Geller, you replied
"Of course you do dear . . . .

But who are you? That is the question."

…………… THIS IS CLASSIC AMIN COMING OUT OF THE CLOSET. See what I mean? You do indulge in meaningless and unnecessary chit-chat!

YOUR ABOVE REPLY INDICATES ONE IS SURELY WASTING ONE'S TIME MENTIONING ANY ISLAMIC FACT(S) TO YOU, (WHICH HAS BEEN PROVED ABSOLUTELY AND IS ABOVE ANY ARGUMENT), you are sure to come out with more meaningless words, more garbage!

Amin, take a tip and do not repeat what you've been doing so far! YOU ARE YOUR OWN WORST ENEMY! People will stop taking you seriously and start ignoring you!

I think a lot of people can leave Islam and people will not know a thing about it (especially in very conservative countries):

They continue their usual mosque attendances and schedules, but they reject to even listen to it and think of something else. Indoctrination comes from listening and accepting. If they want to be an atheist they can pretend to do the ceremonies but think of something completely different. If they want to convert to another religion, they can continue going to the mosque but the prayer is directed at someone else. In this way even large number of Muslims can leave the religion without bringing harm to themselves or their family. And eventually the numbers grow and it affects Islam by people ceasing to be intense about it.

As for his names? He changes many . . . . yet his writing style is the same!

Strange.

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Hate to him was/is taught from birth.

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Honest?

Where did your honesty go. . . . . why change name after name. . . .

When you are reduced to swearing openly. . . . . then you keep changing names.

When you are exposed for copying and pasting whilst pretending original work. . . .

Where does your honesty be?

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This is LYING like Sina . . .

On one hand when it suits him – he will say his mission is non-violent.

In the next breath . . . he will talk about bombing Muslims!

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Then there was an absurd person using the pseudonym "KnowTheEnemy". . . Talking about likes of Buddha, Ghandhi, Guru Nanak. . .

But – given his level of hate-mongering . . . When it is pointed out, such views are contrary to the thinking of these such men . . . he instantly dropped them.

Then there was Demsci – claiming to stand for Western Rationality. But when it is pointed out – how logically fallacious his stances were . . . he instantly changed tack . . . and tried to pass of his own opinions instead.

" Also you must be honest, truthful, with good conscience, with integrity and willing to accept all good and follow all good human values like equality of all humans , equality of all religions, equality of women, equal justice for all , to be peace lover, nonviolent, to be tolerant and respecting all reigions, all human beings , to love freedom, democracy, to be secular, and so on . "

But. . .

"Can you be a honest, truthful person ? No. Because you are a MUSSALMAN , "

You are under delusion. KHAIRUL . Also you must be honest, truthful, with good conscience, with integrity and willing to accept all good and follow all good human values like equality of all humans , equality of all religions, equality of women, equal justice for all , to be peace lover, nonviolent, to be tolerant and respecting all reigions, all human beings , to love freedom, democracy, to be secular, and so on . ISLAM does not accept none of the above mentioned human values. If you are from PAKISATAN, see how the country is ruled on the basis of ISLAM !!! ISLAMIC rules, ISLAMIC laws and ISLAMIC culture !!! There are no minority rights in PAKISATAN or in any ISLAMIC country . See for example in SODI BARBARIA or AFGHANISTAN ? But Moslems are so demonic, and shameless , that they enjoy all the benefits, equality, freedom, religious freedom for Moslems ,in infidel countries , but they dont give the same human rights to unbelievers in ISLAMIC countries !!! First of all, why to establish an ISLAMIC country ? why ? to give special benefits, superior preferences to Moslems and treat unbelievers, nonmoslems/ atheists with discrimination as inferior . IN ISLAMIC regimes, Moslems enjoy special rights,privileges, unbelievers are relegated to inferior status and treated as slaves !!! Is this not true in PAKISTAN ? See what they teach in schools and text books in PAKISATAN !!! How can you as a moslem , be so happy practicing and supporting all this evil,wicked, cruel, discriminatory ideas of ISLAM ? It is monstrous . ISLAM is also based on fear of the grave and dread of the hell fire !!!! ISLAM is a false religion . ISLAM is the biggest fraud . How can ISLAMIC ALLAH and MO are so vengeful and cruel ? Leave ISLAM .

dude. your point dont have any basis. you dont even read quran yet you judge Islam in your own perception. what evil thoughts, evil actiaons and all kind of evil butllshit youre talking about. Islam is the fastest growing relegion in the world, especially is US and UK. Do you think they will accept Islam IF what you said are true? Dont believe this website actually. they got bot spammer @youtube . Islam teach peace and forbid wrongdoings . There are so many fake and mistranslation of quran around the internet which serve same purposes as this website : to mislead people

//He he . . . childish! Unoriginal . . . and that is NOT what I said. Like I said – dishonest.//
Thats dishonest from you. You said exactly that. "Your answering! Else you wouldn't have. And all this rather nonsensical carrying on. "

//And you chose the other one. Dishonest.
I choose both. Dishonest.

//I DID not specify the rate of my dying . . . only that it is killing me.
You can specify now and we can see later. However since you said it was killing you what evidence do you have that it was killing you. If you have no evidence then you clearly lied.

//Doh! Again copying me!
How else do you wish me to rephrase the statement that the post you had made above that one was evidence that your claim that you are brilliant was absurd?
As dishonest as above.

//Actually there IS evidence
But you can't present it. And you are balking (since you replied back, which according to you is the evidence of balikng).

//Switching from – Geller's Madness to the emails.
Not really. Both allegations are "according to you", she is mad, she doesn't receive any emails. So BOTH are opinions. I used "She, according to me is mad. And Sina is equally mad." to point out your usage of the "according to me" phrase.

Mohammed married Ayesha at the age of 6 ,when he was 52 ,usually a saint or Godly person always immersed in God realization during their middle age ,but this Mohammed was lusting a child for fornication.If Sina reveals this fact ,you guy,s do not refute this ,instead come with counter claim that ,in Saudia at the young age girls come's to puberty etc. bla,bla ,bla things.At any time you are not thinking your perfect prophet was pedophile why?.

//Nope – nice dishonesty. Look what I am answering to – and what you make it out to be.//
You were answering "
""According to you", thats called an opinion. "
Of course it is! ".
So whenever you are saying "According to me…" you are opinioning. An opinion isn't an evidence.
//Your answering! Else you wouldn't have. And all this rather nonsensical carrying on.//
So why are YOU balking? Again only an opinion, no evidences.
//As I said – I have given evidence. //
Yes, you said it. No, those were not evidences.

//And she probably doesn't get ANY email
"probably", hmmm.. so now you are no more certain about your claim.

//He has habit of making outlandish and absurd claims. //
Suppose he does lie and make absurd cliams. How does it prove that Geller is mad? You also lie (that the wit killed you, you are certainly alive) and make absurd claims (you are brilliant). So by your own convoluted logic if Sina is mad implies Geller is mad it also implies YOU are mad.

See when Sina and Geller say's, Mohammed is not a prophet ,and in support of their claim,they place all the documents of your own cult.You guys accept it as not concocted as well, yet you call Geller as mad or Sina as mad,but never make an attempt to repute their allegation against your perfect human being (Mohammed),why?. Come with definite arguments instead of coma's and dot's.

//Of course it is!
So you agree that its an opinion (and a claim). It is not an evidence that Geller doesn't receive any mails from ex-muslims.

//So why did it ran such a shock through you – that you balked?
Evidence that a shock ran through me. Proof that I balked.

//Actually I have . . . lack of evidence in the first place IS my evidence. As pointed out. //
Actually you haven't. Lack of evidence isn't an evidence. As pointed out you have made 2 claims : 1. Geller doesn't receive any mails from ex-muslims. 2. Geller is mad.
No proofs, just plain opinions.

//She, according to me is mad. And Sina is equally mad.//
"According to you", thats called an opinion. Sina and Geller if indeed have same positions on a particular subject doesn't make them mad, even if according to you such acts are acts of madness.

//No it isn't. Sina claiming she receives emails from supposed ex-Muslim doesn't constitute as "evidence" – hence its dismissal is fine – alternatively one would have to counter-argue the evidence.//
I too said, no it isn't (an evidence). Even if you claim that Ali Sina's claim is dismissible it doesn't mean that your claiming that she doesn't receive any emails (from ex-muslims) has no basis. You haven't furnished any evidence.

No it isn't. Sina claiming she receives emails from supposed ex-Muslim doesn't constitute as "evidence" – hence its dismissal is fine – alternatively one would have to counter-argue the evidence. If there isn't any in the first place . . .

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"Thats no evidence."

It is – as I also said:

"Both sparse of evidence and work on hate. "

There are MANY similarities between the two. And Sina has adopted many same positions as Geller. She, according to me is mad. And Sina is equally mad.

If the Hadith Collections of Ishaq, Tabari, Bukhari and Muslim are true, Muhammad was the most evil man who ever lived, Allah was the most demented god ever conceived, and Islam was the most vile doctrine ever imposed on humankind.

If, however, the Hadith Collections are untrue, then nothing is known of Muhammad, the conception of his god, or his formation of Islam. There is no rational reason to believe it, observe it, suffer under it, or die for it.

Mohammad fixation with Satan and his demonic cast of killer angels tells us a great deal about the nature of the man who invented Islam.

Many if not all of these Hadith, were revealed during the waning days of his life as he struggled vainly to cheat death after being poisoned.

Bukhari:V4B54N491 "Allah’s Apostle said, 'While you sleep, Satan ties three knots at the back of your head. He blows the following words at each knot, "The night is long so keep sleeping. If that person wakes up and praises Allah, then one knot is undone. When he performs ablution the second is undone. When he prays, all the knots are undone, and he gets up in the morning lively and gay, otherwise he is dull and gloomy.'"

How stupid can one be??? Yet Muslims try to emulate everything what our Mo was doing.
Are Muslims really that stupid??? What make them so dimwitted??

The theme of the Quran is KILL, KILL, KILL – how could anyone in their right mind even think for a second that Islam is a religion at all in the first place???

Qur'an:9:38"Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah's Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place."

Qur'an:9:123"Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you."

Qur'an:8:72"Those who accepted Islam and left their homes to fight in Allah's Cause with their possessions and persons, and those who gave (them) asylum, aid, and shelter, those who harbored them – these are allies of one another. You are not responsible for protecting those who embraced Islam but did not leave their homes [to fight] until they do so." [Another translation reads:] "You are only called to protect Muslims who fight."

Sanatan Dharma= The Dharma (religion) which contains the eternal truth.

The word “Sanatan” means eternal. Rigveda mantra 1/62/8 states (SANAAT) sanatan (DIVAM) light of sun (BHOOMA) is received on the earth. The idea of the mantra is that the sunlight is generated/created from sanatan i.e., eternal matter and then is received on the earth.

There are two sanatan i.e., eternal reasons of creation. One is Almighty God who is alive and second is non-alive matter i.e., Prakriti. The meaning of sanatan is eternal i.e., the matter which is not made from any matter i.e., it has no date of birth or creation.

If christians believe that their God is taking them to heaven, what r u losing ? christians are not torturing you to accept their religion. They give you a job and rights in chiristian countries. You can come and settle down i n any christian country. pple willnot disciminate you because you are not a christian.

You are allowed to worship your god. You are free to speak about your god. What is itching you about christianity ? If you are a gay your rights are protected, they dont kill you. If you are handicapped, you get your allowances. You get all benefits, what has been given to their native pple. Being immigrants we are living in western countries so freely and enjoy our freedom. What more do you want.

Worldly pleasures are ephemeral by nature. Even a long life span of hundreds of years is not to be desired so long as death is sure to occur in the end.According to the religion one professes. Such are the fruits one gets after death. For example, these Muslims believe that in heaven there are plenty of watersheds, fruits, beautiful damsels, music and dancing, and so on. There are certain sects who believe in a heaven of heroes where battles are fought against their enemies and against ferocious animals. All these heavens are nothing but mental realms where man’s highest desires are allegedly fulfilled.
All human beings seek certain desires they consider as the most delectable, and then they wish for a realm where such desires could possibly be fulfilled. Therefore, the longing for a heaven projects a realm that is a replica of the heaven one sought to achive. Thus a heaven is but a projection of our own ideas and desires that are so more real than our dreams.They seem real because they are of our world of thoughts. We are the makers of this world because we are the thinkers. If we build an imaginary castle, that castle looks real so long as that pleasure of thought persists, even as a dream is real so long as it lasts. The image that lasts for a certain duration under certain conditions seems real till it ends . When a man goes into a sound dreamless state of sleep, the whole world will vanish in relations to him and he will not be conscious of any phenomena around him.All the persons and possessions to which one is attached vanish in the state of deep sleep.
Thus even dreams are realities, and realms of heaven are realities, under certain conditions. When a man dreams, he is in heaven till he wakes up, but then the reality of the dream vanishes and other ideas rush in. This world is like a dream, and we will realize it is so when we shut the doors of our senses. As each face is different from all others, so each mind and each perception is different from all others. No one can see things precisely as the other sees. We may see similar things, but not the same things.

The last thing anyone need is some dharma drama bas about Hindu religion. This mumbo jumbo has not saved the fate of millions of Hindus in pakistan from massacres, forced conversion and what not. Neither is it helping in the plight of hundreds of thousands of Kashmir Pandits. In the last 1500 years almost 700 million south asians have come under the banner is Islam. All these dharma drama mumbo jumbo has not protected them nor prevented the islamization of a huge swath of Indic land. If you think HIndu religion would be perfectly happy if no one followed it them dont come here to slam Islam. If you dwell in some unnecessary wisdom/intellectual crap that plays little significance in the quality of life on earth then let Islam do what Islam does best. Otherwise, let us people who want to fight Islam do our fight.

A lot of ppl here are making a brave but futile effort to explain Hinduism. Firstly – Hinduism dus not believe in 'Mass Mentality' It as a relligion is perfectly happy even if nobody on earth will follow it. It dus not make itself easy to b understood. It is on us to dwell deep and understand it. Abusers will always feel a false sense of pride by trying to belittle a giant. The snake will always have poison in its fangs, nature has designed it for that. It is our fault if we are naive to think that we can take out that poison or turn it into honey.

The origin of Vedas is not as simple as a human-like God sitting on some throne sending some angel to narrate divine message to some human being. Vedas represent eternal knowledge that is already within us. Its origin and dissemination is critically linked with creation of universe and propagation of intelligent life. This is one of the most complex subjects. And hence various analogies are used to explain it in a way we can understand.

In reality truth is beyond what we see today. And yet we have to find our way through what we know today to understand what we don’t know yet. This is called Thought-Experiment.

Newton used a thought-experiment to deduce that moon is a falling projectile that does not hit the earth due to its curvature. Now in reality Newton never did such an experiment, nor one can prove if this is indeed historically true. All we know is that this analogy helps us understand laws of motion in universe better.

In same vein, Vedas, Upanishads, Geeta and even Purans use a variety of analogies to explain different aspects of origin of Vedas.

2. Some say that they were first revealed to sages called Agni, Vayu and Aditya. Note that these names are titles and not names printed on their ration cards. Others say that for all practical purpose, Brahma was first person to master the 4 Vedas and propagate to next generation. Again Brahma is a title.

3. Shatpath Brahman gaves a beautiful analogy – That just as exhalation and inhalation happen, all forms of knowledge – Vedas, Upanishads, Formulae, History etc – get manifested and get submerged in Supreme Being. Thus like breathing, this is a cyclical process.

On this analogy, skeptics raise several questions.

First they raise doubt that this shows that God is human like. However this is a silly doubt because this is only an analogy. Knowledge cannot come out from nostrils!

Second, they say that Vedas are not exclusively mentioned. Hence either every knowledge is divine or nothing is divine. This is also shallow logic. Because:

– divinity of Vedas is not same as divinity of Bible or Quran. Divinity in context of Vedas only means that eternal laws of nature as represented in language is unchangeable.

– mention of various fields of knowledge shows a process. First the Vedas are mentioned and then other fields. This means that first wisdom of Vedas is imbibed and then other fields of knowledge emanate from the Vedic wisdom.

Mr darkfire316, thanks for encouraging me to continue to annoy you futher with my good comments here and I believe that you will be overjoyed to know too that as long as my beloved Ms Dr Ali Sina and also, that heartless man, Mr Jonathan Harrel, didn't ban my IP address from this website, I will continue to love them dearly as long as I'm still breathing and will try my very best know how to convince them of the presence and the reality of the uncaused First cause. I won't blame a delusional Atheist like you for stalking and criticizing me here in this wonderful website because you are desperate and needy of my help too. to get you out of your totally meaningless belief. 🙂

I like Christianity. I have no problem with it. I went to Catholic School for 10 years, and I plan on reading the Bible soon. I am not criticizing your faith. I am criticizing that idiot Agracean who has been a stalker on these boards for years and continually annoyed us with her presence.

The Golden Rule is great, but when you try to reason with an idiot like Agracean to stop her behavior (as many of us have for years) and she continues to act like a needy stalking idiot, I will call you out on it.

I am an atheist, but I have no disdain for other religions except for Islam. You are new here. Don't make assumptions.

In fact, after a few more posts, I will not be coming in anymore. I don't like what I see here. It is full of hammering each other, people coming in clearly are angry over their lives, they have not made any peace with themselves but come here looking for a brawl. It is a free for all legit 'pick a fight' site. Well, done!!! Finally we have a place to go to punch someone as and when we like, without getting punished by the law! Yoohoo!!!

You guys obviously speak one thing and do just the other. If you criticise Islam as socially intolerant, why display the same here, thus making your action the same as theirs. It's the pot calling the kettle black syndrome.

You guys talk about the golden rule. Do yo know what is it? It is full of respect for how others choose to live, EXCEPT IF YOUR CHOICE HURT OTHERS. So you can't choose to be a rapist. But the golden rule in it's essence is more than breaking the law. You called someone dumb is fine by me, but you should know better than to criticise her faith, which happens to be mine too.

I didn't critisce your faith, did I? Your disdain for another religion is apparent in your words. I have to explain to you as logically and neutrally as possible that it might not be as dumb as a belief as you think.

You might be an apostate yourself, so your hatred towards God is great, so your anger turned outwards against others who believe in God? But there are many others out here, less damaged than you, who embrace Christianity, Buddhims, Hinduism and other religions with happiness.

Respect others. That is what the Golden rule is all about. Please don't live a hated life, leave the life of hate, and join the rest of civilisation to spew your hate onto others.

I won't be replying, so don't bother.

After a couple more posts in another thread, you will be happy to know I will not be telling you off in future.

Danielle – enough of your excuses and explanations. ( TAQIYYA ?) Dont for get ISLAM was copied, borrowed, plagiarized, adopted version from christianity. !!!! ( and from judaism, and preislamic arabic folk lore. True . Right now as we are responding on this topic of ISLAMIC savagery and cruelty, christianity is carrying out it's diabolical designs in developing countries- in the name of missionary activities, conversions and baptism !!! can you stop them ? Christianity is another fascist totalitarian religion , big brother of ISLAM !!! You know they have special rights ,privileges and they have a direct line to their God as He prefers them and reserved berths in heaven for all of them and whereas He is determined to consign to hell fire all the unbelievers for eternity !!!! You see the truth !!!

A group of Jews asked permission to visit the Prophet (and when they were admitted) they said, "As-Samu 'Alaika (Death be upon you)." I said (to them), "But death and the curse of Allah be upon you!" The Prophet said, "O 'Aisha! Allah is kind and lenient and likes that one should be kind and lenient in all matters." I said, "Haven't you heard what they said?" He said, "I said (to them), 'Wa 'Alaikum (and upon you).

Such a compassionate Mohammad ( Piss be upon him ), any other saint in his place would not have cursed the guys in return.

It is not my concern what anyone believes. You must be new to these boards. My post was directed at Agracean. If you were here long enough you would see that she's a stalker and an extremely annoying, dumb, and delusional person who uses Christianity as a reason to engage in such behavior. She needs psychological treatment.

Leave Islam, but leave it smartly.
If you are in a free democratic country, are financially independent or have managed to fund your education – renounce it openly. Don't follow its medieval, regressive, meaningless rules. If a friend or family question you on it, explain your reasons with humility. But if someone tries to impress on you that you are missing out on the heavenly houries, do give them a big piece of your mind. 🙂

If you're surrounded by blood-thirsty Salafis, then it's not a good idea to be very vocal about it, unless you have a big political clout yourself. Just don't follow the principles in your mind. If it's an option to stay out of another gathering where there'll be calls for death of America/Israel, just stay out of it. Bring up your children in a way that they appreciate rational thinking and love fellow humans, regardless of their religion, race or country. Save your children from political Islam, the best you can. This way the world will be rid of this destructive philosophy.

As I was just commenting on another thread, we need to focus on the main issue of the blog, which is mutual tolerance of different faiths. Religions will always exist where there are people around on earth, so please dont berate each other. Islam and it's inherent difficulty to tolerate others is the issue here.

You may have good reasons to adhere to your own faith (which is not to have any faith) but others here have similar rights to adhere to their own faith too, AS LONG AS WE ABIDE BY THE GOLDEN RULE.

I know about the point you made. I threw my Bible right away many years ago the minute I saw those words. How can the universe be made in 6 days!!! This is absurd and illogical! Then i read physics and it talks about time being relative. Suppose you are able to travel at close to the speed of light to the scorching sun and back, it will take a fraction of a second or a nanosecond. However, if your friend waiting on planet earth for you to return, his watch on his wrist will register about 16 mins. Because it is proven fact that light rays reach the earth in approx 8 mins. So whose clock is right? Your 16mins or your friend's which says time almost stood still? Same journey. Same event.

Mr/Ms darkfire316, what makes us so sure the creator mentioned in the bible was using your earth's clock? And not another time-measuring device at the point of the Big Bang? The speed he used to create – was it based on the gravity-time dimension of earth, or was it near the speed of light or at the speed of light or beyond the speed of light? Do we really know?

In any case, the original text was not 'day'. It was 'age'. In other words, a period of time. The fact that some words might be passed down or interpreted inaccurately only prove the falliblity of man. It does not prove that followers of other religion, as such me (Christianity) is dumb.

Hi Sanatan,__ problem with religion is that there is often an excuse not to think for ourselves. The other things is we over complicate the path to God.__"Does a tomatoe seed know what it is? Does a tomatoe seeds that once planted into fertile soil it will die to itself to become itself a wonder plant that bears fruit" __there are many courses and wonderful reading material which will make the soil fertile for our own sacred seed.. Love is the water that will both nourish and water this seed..__Here is a lesson, just one lesson that once we acknowledge a perfect God then you can begin to understand the power of the words " I am as God created me"__I am as God created me.__We will repeat today's idea from time to time. For this one thought would be enough to save you and the world, if you believed that it is true. Its truth would mean that you have made no changes in yourself that have reality, nor changed the universe so that what God created was replaced by fear and evil, misery and death. If you remain as God created you fear has no meaning, evil is not real, and misery and death do not exist._ _http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/A_Course_in_Miracles/Workbook_for_Students/I_am_as_God_created_me.

Mr darkfire316, since you dislike all my comments so much, you can either choose to ignore it or you can ask Mr Jonathan Harrel, the webmaster here to quickly ban my IP address from entering FFI and this website. I believe that he'll be extremely pleased to do so.

Projection. She behaves just as muslims would when trashing this website. She herself is a stalker so she projects her traits onto others and calls them a stalker. This makes her feel better and not the idiot that she actually is. Muslims do the same thing when they call us xenophobes. Man she's dumb.

"Are you jealous because I love the creator of this awesome webpage?"

She's so deluded and needy that she thinks this is normal and openly says it. Wow, what a dumb girl. She must be a total loser in the real world.

people from all over the world write to her enquiring how they can leave Islam without losing their lives."
Oh,GODS what i be peaced OF when i see thoes coments!
Idiots 2 their politicians which should be lucked in 4GOOD!

Why in the hell after 1400 years idiots who choose the CIVILAZATION SHOULD HIDING FROM THEIR TRULY IDENTITY..WHEN IS THOES WHICH HUNT SHOULD BEHUNTED UNTILL MORONS 2NAZISTSMUHAMADANS LEARN SHUT THEIR DIRTY MOUTH?

That DAY Iran take over…the whole world of "pussies" will GET THE MESSAGE HOW THEY SHOULD REACT!

When she herself doesn't realize how dumb she is and how dumb everyone thinks she is.

Funny how Agracean just ignores all the negative "likes" on each comment she makes. A normal person would take a hint.

But what can you expect from a dumb person who thinks the earth was created a few thousand years ago and who thinks by stalking the creator of this webpage she is being "endearing" and an awesome Christian.

WHY DO any good human being want to be a MOSLEM , follower of that monster MO , the most evil, wicked, cruel ,rapist , ? I urge every mussalman to gain knowledge, think, analyze and use their own intelligence . When Moslems know the truth about ISLAM/MO/ ISLAMIC history, ISLAMIC culture , then they will introspect about their existence on this earth and then they will ask the question for themselves , what kind of person they want to be ? what kind of life they want to lead ? Will they be honest, truthful, want to live as persons with kindness, love and service and equality ,peace, freedom and democracy ? It is for them to find answers. If moslems want to live with free from the fear of grave, terror from their ALLAHs eternal hell fire , and also want to be as individuals free from hatred of all nonmoslems, , then they will leave ISLAM and live truly humanistic, humane life filled with kindness and as part of humanity . Each Moslem must confront the mullas, fatwas and the fear of getting killed if they talk against ISLAM or against MULLAS/ or against MO or against QQUURRAAN ( the manual for hatred and killing , discrimination, cruelty and wickedness ) . Read SIRA , the biography of MO. Read HADIS , the SUNNA of MO. READ QQUURRAAN the manual for all evil thoughts, evil actions, discrimination, threats, intimidation, fear, terror and all evil in ISLAM.
I hope all PAKI so called good moslems read this post and act on it , think about it and come to the right conclusion. that is leave ISLAM , this abominable, abhorable, repulsive, disgusting death cult called ISLAM . Dont waste your precious life . You moslems must bring out the best in you , not the worst as follwers of that monster MO !!! Why do you want to follow MO ? IS there any goodness in the MO's life ? None .

1. "(I begin this book) In the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful." (Quran 1*:1.)

The Mohammedans claim that this Q’uran is the Word of God, but it appears from the above passage that the author of this book was some person other than God, since had it been God himself, He would not have said: "(I begin this book) in the name of God etc." He would have, instead, said: "I write this book for the instruction of mankind." If it be said that by beginning His book in this fashion He means to teach men as to what they should say when about to do a thing, it cannot be true, since some men will do even sinful deeds in the name of God and thereby bring disgrace on Him.

If (the Mohammedan) God be merciful, why has He sanctioned that men should inflict great suffering on other creatures by killing them for their food? Are not these animals innocent? Are they not His creatures? He should have also advised men to begin only good deeds in His name and not evil ones. Thus the passage (under discussion) is quite ambiguous. Should even such sinful acts, as theft, adultery, untruthfulness in speech, begun in God's name? Very likely it is on account of this ambiguity that the (Mohammedan) butchers etc., mutter "In the name of God, the compassionate, the most Merciful as the moment of cutting the throats of cows and other animals."

It is clear then that the Mohammedans do begin even evil deeds in the name of God. The Mohammedan God can never be called Merciful, because He shows no mercy towards those animals (whose slaughter He sanctions). If the Mohammedans do not know the true meaning of this passage, its revelation is of no use

Dear Ali Sina,
I differ from your understanding of religion. I would not advise to anyone to leave religion (dharma) but to leave cult. When you talk of religions your views are based on Semitic religions. But according to sages and Veda religion (Dharma) is different. According Sages and Veda one must uphold the dharma (religion) always. Traits of religiosity are:-
Rigveda 10.161.3
– Your analysis of right and wrong should be unbiased and not specific to particular set of people
– You should organize together to help everyone enhance their health, knowledge and prosperity
– Your minds should be devoid of hatred and should see progress and happiness of all as one’s own progress and happiness and you should only act for enhancement of happiness of all based on truth
– Work together to eradicate falsehood and discover truth
– Never ever deviate from path of truth and unity
2. Yajurved 19.77
– All humans at all times should have passion only for adoption of truth and rejection of falsehood. This should be a continuous process and one should keep detaching faith from what one discovers to be false and keep attaching faith to what one discovers to be true based on analysis, logic, facts and evidence.
5. Yajurved 19.30
– When one resolves to adhere to truth, she becomes eligible for bliss and truth. When she becomes eligible, she starts getting rewards in form of knowledge and satisfaction. Such rewards strengthen the resolve and enhance the faith towards pursuit of truth. As the faith enhances, so does the bliss and knowledge one gets. And eventually this leads to ultimate bliss or Salvation.