yea many bodybuilders feel like entitled to loads of food, often too much for their own best.

and then when they try to get reasonably lean from their permabulkers states, they feel agressive.

its all mental strenght.

i prefer the hunger feeling to the fullness feeling after stuffing myself

A bit of hunger in the belly puts a man in a state with a clear head, and a natural aggression. We work when we're hungry. We hustle when we're hungry. It's nature's built in defense mechanism. Why bodybuilders insist on training full is beyond me. Just slows you down.

I'm not really buying the whole pre/peri/post workout stuff either. At least, not to the extent the industry would have you believe.

I'd like to see a study prove me wrong, and I'll shut up. It should be:

X amount of kcal of normal eating (i.e. 3 meals a day of normal food) versus an isocaloric diet whereby at least 30% of the day's caloric intake is centered around pre/peri/post workout. Macros are held constant in both diets (i.e. same amount of kcal from protein/carb/fat in both diets, but food choices can vary because I doubt it'll make a difference). Study run for minimum 8 weeks. Measure differences in LBM. Put on conservative weight lifting program. Use healthy non-obese males. At least 10 subjects per test group, randomized assignment to trial groups.

I doubt we'd see much difference...probably not enough to justify the cost. But, I'm sure there's some science/pubmed geek out there who can prove me wrong. CHALLENGE!

Isn't that you galeniko who claimed you just have to eat 13213213 meals per day and 3-4 meals is not enough?

Whatever man, good to know you've changed your mind. Truth is, "clean food", "6 meals per day", "eat every 3 hours", "post workout shake" are all concepts without any science to back up. People follow them without second thoughts because everyone else does and "it works". Well, nobody says it doesn't, yet if they didn't try (or didn't execute it properly if tried) they cannot know that alternative does not work.

It is like religion. People pray to god because they parents did, everyone else does and they are simply to afraid to stop becaues "something bad may happen". People that question dogmas are always objects of agression of blind crowd who is just too afraid to think.

Isn't that you galeniko who claimed you just have to eat 13213213 meals per day and 3-4 meals is not enough?

Whatever man, good to know you've changed your mind. Truth is, "clean food", "6 meals per day", "eat every 3 hours", "post workout shake" are all concepts without any science to back up. People follow them without second thoughts because everyone else does and "it works". Well, nobody says it doesn't, yet if they didn't try (or didn't execute it properly if tried) they cannot know that alternative does not work.

It is like religion. People pray to god because they parents did, everyone else does and they are simply to afraid to stop becaues "something bad may happen". People that question dogmas are always objects of agression of blind crowd who is just too afraid to think.

Great post

The pre/mid/port workout shit is garbage. But it's how they all make their money.

well i train during the night sometimes and go straight to sleep with only an ipa/mod injection no food. Sometimes i do wait 15min then eat, then sleep.. but most of the time go straight to sleep. I do have a pre meal and intra shake (oats/pb/egg whites/etc...)