Those terrible ref calls went both ways. The invisible hold on the first play and the early whistle on 3rd and goal both cost an early TD. The bad Ward call was bad but either way a field goal was the likely outcome there so it didnt cost points. The pass interfearance call was pretty blatent so refs didnt exactly blow that one.

Not really. I know the Steelers are good but this year i've never thought them reaching the SB.
Also we aren't all saying they won't go up as division winners but it's going to be quite hard for them to win the division now.

True, we were 6-3 around this time last year, but last we didn't get swept by Baltimore. It depends how Baltimore does...we can easily go 13-3 if we don't let our guard down, but Baltimore has to not do the same.

Originally Posted by Adreme

Those terrible ref calls went both ways. The invisible hold on the first play and the early whistle on 3rd and goal both cost an early TD. The bad Ward call was bad but either way a field goal was the likely outcome there so it didnt cost points. The pass interfearance call was pretty blatent so refs didnt exactly blow that one.

The refs made some bad calls for them, they did screw Baltimore out of that opening touchdown, but they screwed us way more I hate to say. Which pass interference call? The one at the end, or the one with Ike Taylor? Ike Taylor barely touched him, and the pass interference call at the end was debatably offensive pass interference.

And don't forget about that invisible Max Starks holding call, that nobody else ever saw. The commentators seemed to be disagreeing with what the refs said nearly the entire game.

Here's where I go unprofessional and start my Roger Goodell conspiracy rants. Big Ol' GODell saw that we beat his Patriots, and got a little worried that Pittsburgh was getting too strong, so he had the Refs play blind eye during the game. I'm not saying that's true, but I hate Roger Goodell so much it doesn't make me doubt it.

The first pass interfearance he had a handful of jersey(and an armbar). Niether of those 2 were for very long but the ref saw it when it happend so threw the flag. The 2nd pass interfearance on that last play you are right in a sense that there was some offensive pass interfearance but only because as the reciever (his name I cant remember right now for some reason) admitted that before ball got there he saw flag out of corner of his eye so he figured he could get away with a small push off since they never call interferance on both sides.

The first pass interfearance he had a handful of jersey(and an armbar). Niether of those 2 were for very long but the ref saw it when it happend so threw the flag. The 2nd pass interfearance on that last play you are right in a sense that there was some offensive pass interfearance but only because as the reciever (his name I cant remember right now for some reason) admitted that before ball got there he saw flag out of corner of his eye so he figured he could get away with a small push off since they never call interferance on both sides.

Let's say this. That interference is specifically what got him the touchdown...if the flag was called for him too, the ball would have been placed back on the line of scrimmage, and the play would restart. Ravens run out of time, don't get the touchdown.

That's bullshit that a receiver can see a flag, and then decided to play dirty as well without getting penalized. If he would have let the pass interference go, and not played dirty too, and didn't get the TD, then we could have held them in the goal line for those few seconds easily.

Of course they won't EVER change the rules like that, just because the Steelers got screwed. No, someone like Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers needs to be screwed out of a game before that would happen.

Haha I get the feeling you hate the Steelers as much as I hate the Bruins Roman.

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I'm not going to watch the first video, because I already read the title. I have every right to be pissed of with the referee's horrible decisions. Football, No I don't throw a tantrum over football. Professional Football, yes. Not only do the players get paid money, but people bet their own money on those damn games. When the referees are forcing an outcome, that screws people over, big.

I won't throw some tantrum over college or High School, but when you start fucking over a professional team. I'm sorry that I am a big fan of the sport Roman, but I'm a big fucking fan of the sport.

As for the videos.

The first one doesn't look illegal to me. In fact, the title of the video is called "big hit" not "illegal hit". He doesn't exactly lead with his helmet, nor did he have contact with the other player's helmet. The description is actually praising the hit, and the people in the comments are too busy getting into a Steelers vs Patriots war. Plus, the game took place in 2008, before the NFL started making the hits stricter, way before it.

I'm not sure when the second one took place, but it was also uploaded in 2008. Ward is known for being dirty, he's up their with Flair, but he is also known as a great blocker, and that was a great block in my eyes. I'd be saying the same thing if Tom Brady made a block like that. The clip goes too fast, and the angle is too far away, for me to be able to determine whether he hit him with his helmet or not.

The third video, I remember that game. It was 2009, and if we didn't win that game, we were 100% out of the running for playoffs. Not only did they move that game up (They moved it up so the other teams would be able to prevent the Steelers from getting in if they won) but it was also very emotional. These guys are grown, angry men, out there to hit as hard as they can. Rey Lewis said in his pump up speech Sunday night "Let's hurt these boys". With that type of emotion, what do you think would happen? I agree though, that hit was illegal. I can't remember if Ike was fined or not, but this was in 2009...once again the league was a little lighter.

Oh I knew one of these would come up, a James Harrison video! Even better, a recent one! That video is ridiculous, a late hit, are you fucking kidding me. Roman, did you watch this videos before you decided to use them in your meek argument? Not only was James Harrison running at full speed, angry as fuck that the line let Sanchez break out like that, but he barely touches him. James starts diving before Sanchez starts diving, and if you know anything about physics, there would be no way for James to stop himself before he hit Sanchez, and yet, he barely hit Sanchez at all. That didn't look in any sort of way, painful at all.

Up next, we have another Harrison one. First of all, with all the controversy surrounding Harrison over his hits, you kind of took the easy way out picking videos of him. Cribbs isn't on the ground yet in this video, and Harrison is once again running full speed, trying to do his job and stop him. Of course he got helmet to helmet, I'm not sure if he was fine, but he should have been. Plus this was a division game, there's more emotion going into rivalry games.

Helmet-to-helmet hits happen every week, nearly every game, by many different players. These our angry, grown men, with a lot of emotion going into their playing, with the rules just recently getting stricter. Some may call Harrison a head hunter, but I think he's just trying to play football.

Lastly, we have our third straight Harrison video, out of six...and it's not even an illegal take down. Vince Young is fast, and he likes to scramble. There were 3 guys there, and they all wanted to take him down. They all did take him down, and all though it was a hard hit, it wasn't illegal, and thus this video is not a great video either.

You wanna see some big hits, watch this video.

Roman, shut the fuck up. We know you hate the Steelers, and we all know I love the Steelers. Putting us together isn't going to be pretty. Just please, if you want to put up an argument, put up an argument. We're both being bias, but at least I can agree when some of those players should have been fined.

All of the videos you showed, never showed any players doing any illegal hits because they knew they would get caught. Smith admitted that he already saw the pass interference flag, and played dirty on his side of the ball...which led to him getting the TD unpunished, and not getting any of the blame. That is why the referees should wait until the play is over, to start throwing flags.

The Steelers are the most dirty team by fans, players, and the NFL offices.

I don't hate the Steelers, I find them to be completely arrogant and only seem to win when they knock someone out for a few weeks (or in Keith River's case, practically end his career).

Also, I'm rather annoyed at you being a complete bitch about the Steelers losing.

Are you saying that the fans, players, and NFL Offices are dirty, or are you saying that the fans, players, and NFL Offices say they're dirty. You didn't exactly clarify that.

Don't say you don't hate the Steelers...you hate the Steelers. You hate the fucking Steelers with a passion, and that's why you are arguing this topic with me. I love the Steelers with a passion, and that's why I'm defending them. You can't have this type of conversation without one person loving the Steelers, and one person hating the Steelers.

They only seem to win when they knock someone out? So every 16 games, every year they've had a winning season, it was because we injured somebody, or more specifically, because someone had gotten injured? That makes no sense at all.

No Roman, YOU are being a complete bitch, you are the one being not only arrogant...but you're being ignorant as well. I don't doubt for a second that you didn't read my post above before replying with your new topic.

The Steelers are not arrogant. They play football like everyone else, being a fan...I'm of course blinded by anything that they do wrong, but for someone who hates the Steelers, that's what they look for. You've given me NO significant proof that proved the Steelers of being arrogant.

The only reason people target a team like the Steelers as being dirty or arrogant, is because they won 6 superbowls. People everywhere hate the Steelers for that very reason, their success. At the same time, people everywhere love the Steelers for that reason. The Steelers are one of the largest bandwagon teams today.

Yes Roman, each and every one of their wins were because they "knocked someone out for a few weeks" each one? Right...

If the Steelers are dirty, they have every right to be, considering they have been screwed countless times.

I will stop being a complete bitch about the loss, when you stop being a complete bitch about anything involving the Steelers. I'm a diehard fan, I have every right to be saddened. Although for someone who hates the Steelers more than Hitler, I think what I'd do in that situation is just ignore the diehard fan, but hey, that's just me.

Now I'm going to try and see if I can stop responding to your very weak responses, as I think I've already went beyond losing my temper. At least I haven't hit that stage where I started bolding, and increasing the size of certain words in my posts.

I'm not arguing because I hate the Steelers, I'm arguing because you were and continue to act like there is some conspiracy theory against the Steelers by the refs and the front office when they actually deserve more penalties than they get.

I don't hate the Steelers, I hate the players. I hate the Browns, but I don't hate the Steelers. I hate the plays, but I don't hate the Steelers. Arkansas had a punter coverage man just completely fucking lay out a Vanderbilt returning, on a fair catch, then showboat, then bitch about the flag on the sidelines--I hate him, but I don't hate Arkansas.

It's quite funny you use the word ignorant because you demonstrated that you yourself are ignorant of what the word ignorant means.

I don't give a shit how many titles a team has won. I don't hate the Yankees, I don't hate Notre Dame, I sure as hell don't hate the Dallas Cowboys.

And I'm just going to quote this right here:

Although for someone who hates the Steelers more than Hitler, I think what I'd do in that situation is just ignore the diehard fan, but hey, that's just me.

And I'm done. I'm just fucking done. This quote right here is just too goddamn fucking ignorant to what I'm saying to even be appropriate, let alone the actual context of the game. I'm fucking done. I can put up with dumb shit on the internet, but this takes the fucking cake. Fuck you, and good bye EWN.