Monday, October 23, 2006

NFL Week 7 Post-Script

With a day to think about it...

Matt Bryant's 62-yard kick was more impressive than previous 63-yarders. First, because he didn't kick with a performance-enhancing plate in his shoe, and second, because there was no way anyone saw TB beating Philly. I recognize those reasons are fairly flimsy. So the real reason I'm a fan is because it happened yesterday and anything that happens today is better than things that happened decades ago, right? Of course.

We'll all look back and realize that Ben Roethlisberger's career never got better than his second season. It just got much worse.

(And what a Super Bowl jinx for Matt Hasselbeck, too.)

So much for my attempt to be ahead of the curve in proclaiming the Panthers as the NFL's No. 2 team. I'm going to have to give this week's title to the Pats, almost by default. (The Colts? Save it.)

Leon Washington and Wali Lundy are just the latest examples of how the NFL Draft is a wildly inexact science.

The Texans might not crack your weekly rankings Top 20 just yet, but if you had to invest in a team's success over the next decade, I'll bet they would.

It wasn't Joey Harrington being Joey Harrington that cost the Dolphins the game; it was Harrington doing his best Favre impression that cost the Dolphins the game.

The Redskins' season is as good as over. Al Saunders was arguably Dan Snyder's biggest bust signing yet. Oh, and bench Mark Brunell.

It's time for the Broncos to start Jay Cutler.

Will critics demand we put an asterisk next to Shawne Merriman's "NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year" award?

Be honest: Who had the Jets at 4 wins... overall, let alone 4 wins by Week 7?

I wasn't one of those knee-jerk critics who thought Dennis Green should be fired after the Cards' MNF debacle. Losing to the lowly Raiders, however, is another story: That's a fireable offense; he's obviously lost this team.

MNF Preview: If Tony K. can't have the game of his season with T.O., Parcells and a huge intradivision matchup, maybe he SHOULD retire after this season.

Comments Question: What are your one-line thoughts about the NFL Week That Was?

64 comments:

"it was Harrington doing his best Favre impression that cost the Dolphins the game."

Wow, one day you'll have to explain if Favre killed a favorite pet of yours or something. I know you're a blogger now and no longer have to worry about journalistic credibility, but hating without cause doesn't help people's opinion of you.

I am taking a little joy in the darkness that must be engulfing the Philly sport fan this morning. Have they accepted the fact that their boys have blown a two game lead in the division in two weeks time? The Flyers are so bad Bobby Clarke quit saying he was tired of doing the job and Hitchcock was fired because he is a fraud. Art Howe hired as the manager in waiting for the Phillies, that will reenergize the team, and the Sixers are so lost they failed to move Iverson while he still had value. The only bright spot is the South Jersey fan base is riding the Rutgers bandwagon.

About the only thing worse for Philly would be news that Ryan Howard shares a trainer with Shawn Merriman.

First - No way in hell Jay Cutler should take the reigns in Denver (and I can't stand Jake Plummer). Again, much like Baltimore in '00, with a defense like that, all yu need is a moderately competent QB and you can roll. Denver just keeps winning - why change now?

I thought it was Castillo that had steroids at the combine. He was the Chargers other 1st round pick that year.

Dan your Instant History is so fucking stupid. Big Ben's best year is going to be his 2nd that is the dumbest thing I have heard. Before he got knocked didn't he have 3 TD passes and close to 300 yards. When Brady won his 1st Super Bowl didn't he struggle the next year and then won 2 more in a row. Ben will recover from this season and continue to be one of the bright young QBs in the league.

Denver definately does not need to start Jay Cutler right now. Shanahan without a doubt knew they would win that game yesterday so he ran a high school offense. Let's wait until Jake Plummer kills the Broncos before we ship him out of Denver.

Second - nice props to the Texans Dan, probably easier to see the bright side of the Texans than to come out and openly admit that you're love affair with the Jaguars seems to have gone down the tubes. I haven't seen many MY JAGUARS posts recently from you - I'm just waiting for the MY VIKINGS, or MY PATRIOTS posts next week in the predictions.

Mike Vicks breakout game was and always will be the Va Tech/FSU game, where he almost pulled a Vince Young (not that anyone knew what to call it then) by singlehandedly willing his team to beat a more talented team. I doubt much that you watched that game from start to finish, Dan, as I did obviously. I'm not goign to take everything away from him, but mostly he was playing with an extremely short field, only two real drives the whole day, with the steelers defense stuffing him for the first three quarters (Big Ben had quite a few drives, although he did have a killer fumble, he looked very good out there, and he will continue to develop into a better QB; he's having a string of bad luck).

John - That's just ridiculous. If having been born with the deformity of having a clubbed foot results in an advantage for field goal kicking, please tell me the names of some other record holding clubbed foot field goal kickers...no? What about just some other clubbed foot kickers?

Leon Washington is the lastest example of how much the Lions defense sucks. It makes you wonder how they can bring in a defensive HC, new DC and arguably better "talent", and end up 7-9 spots worse in defensive rankings (ypg/ppg allowed) than last year.

Have they accepted the fact that their boys have blown a two game lead in the division in two weeks time?

I've accepted it ... but I wouldn't say that someone kicking a 62-yard FG (which happens every 20 years or so) is "choking". I mean, if you're coaching any team, and the other team lines up for a 62-yarder ... you're probably feeling pretty good about winning.

Dan - I never will understand how you put a team (Pats) above a team that beat them pretty convincingly (Donkeys) and still haven't lost a game. Are they number two because they don't have to play the Broncos again and are in the worst division in football. Weird.

Not bench Plummer?!?! I'm not a big fan of rookie QBs, but Yahoo! doesn't list Plummer on the QB Rating because it only shows the top 31 - hmmm. As for Denver's D, it's marginal. They haven't given up many points, but they've also played the 9, 20, 10, 22, 32, & 26 P/G offenses. Denver is current 31st in P/G. Write back in 4 weeks after they play 5, 8, 32, & 2.

"We'll all look back and realize that Ben Roethlisberger's career never got better than his second season. It just got much worse."

Wait a sec... maybe it's fan bias, but I think he's looked pretty much unstoppable the past two weeks. If there are three things I know about this Dan Shanoff guy, it's that 1) he hates Brett Favre, 2) he hates the Steelers, and 3) he wishes he could be Bridget Moynihan for a day, just so he could fellate Tom Brady and, presumably, the rest of the Patriots' organization.

Dan, are you insinuating that Dempsey's shoe is on the same level as as steroids? The only time "performance enhancing" is used in to describe steroids, HGH, etc. Kind of a low blow to a man born with a clubbed foot, dontcha think?

I know this is the NFL section, but I missed the opportuntity to chat about the "ND is more lucky than good" comment:

they didn't win that game with luck, they played defense and put together a great two minute drive (capped off by an unbelievable play by Brady and Samardzija in which Quinn made a fantastic pump fake after recognizing the defense and rolled out to complete a great pass). They didn't block a punt, force a turnover, have the defense fall over, get a tipped pass...they managed the clock, played defense and put together yet another two minute drill drive to win a game.

Don't be a hypocrit, your beloved West Virginia pulls out the same type of win over East Carolina and they are praised but when ND does it against UCLA (which is a good team allbeit not a top 25 team) and they drop in the rankings.

Sorry for the rant in the wrong section, i just missed the opportunity to chime in earlier. Continue with the NFL talk.

Don't forget that Dan's biggest hatred in the world is Duke Basketball and Coach K. Dan loves to see it when Duke loses in the tourney and then go on about how great a coach Donovan is when he finally wins after losing in the 1st round every year.

So that is 3 titles for K and 1 for Billy. Dan loves to argue that with the amount of talent that Duke has every year K should have about 5 or 6. That is a valid point but what about Roy Williams at Kansas. Those were some impressive teams and he could not even make it to the Sweet 16 when he was the #1 overall team.

I would also like to point out the amount of talent that Dean Smith had at UNC and he only won two titles and both of the wins came with the two most bone headed moves in the history of the Final Four.

Uhm..no idea what point you are trying to make, but Roy Williams at Kansas made 4 or 5 final fours in his 15 years. That's pretty darn good. Yes he had some teams that were #1 overall and didn't make it to the sweet sixteen. (Harrick's Rhode Island and Arizona's run of knocking off 3 #1s on the way to the title)

And Dan's not alone in loving Duke losing. MANY people do. Duke is like ND, you either love them or hate them. Which obviously you hate based on your remarks.

Pat's can't be the #2 team this week. Colts and Broncos have to be in front of them. Broncos may not be able to score, but they can stop the other team from scoring and that covers up their pathetic offense under Plummer.

"I've heard multiple writers and announcers claim that, had the Cardinals won that game, that would have beenthe most important victory in franchise history. Um, nobody remembers when Plummer and the Cards shockedAikman, Irvin, Emmitt and the Cowboys IN DALLAS during the '98 playoffs? The whole "whatever happened fiveminutes ago was the biggest thing that ever happened" school of making sports arguments has to be one of the mostannoying sports media trends of this decade. I can't handle it anymore."

"Tom Dempsey's 63-yard field goal was equaled in October 1998 by Jason Elam of the Denver Broncos in a victory over the Jacksonville Jaguars at Mile High Stadium. Kicks generally carry farther in the rarefied Denver air if all other conditions are equal, but a 63-yard field goal is remarkable at any altitude."

Dan.. you have always claimed rankings should be based on current events and not inertia. So by that rationale, I have to assume you must just hate the Colts to not have them #2. The patriots beat the Bills.. a pretty marginal team to say the least. The Colts beat the Skins, who record wise are pretty shitty, but I believe you yourself have mentioned how much talent they have. So let's look at the facts:1) Colts went out last week and attempted to fix their biggest flaw, run defense. If you watched the game yesterday, you might notice that Clinton Portis was stuffed pretty much all game except for 1 big run.

2) The Colts offense that has looked somewhat anemic much of this season absolutely steamrolled through the Skins, pretty much doing whatever they wanted to do. It looks like the offense may finally be getting on the same page.

I just can't see how you can penalize an unbeated team in the NFL, one that this weekend appeared to be what everyone expects from the Colts, and rank them behind a team that has beaten only one quality opponent (Bengals).

Um, have you paid attention to Brett Favre's performance since Week One of last year? I'd say his 34 interceptions is pretty good cause for "hating."

I've paid closer attention than anyone who's not a coach for the Packers. And to somehow intimate that what Harrington did yesterday was more Favre-esque than Harrington-esque suggests someone who has watched neither QB play.

I would still go with the Vinateri Kick, that was just jaw dropping good. The reason the over 60 yard kicks are not clutch per se is the fact that no expects him to make it so their is little down side. Even the Vinateri kick had some built in excuses, thats why Vanderjat's miss last year was so bad, he failed to come through in a pressure situation on a kick he has hit many times in the past, if he hits that kick it is just as clutch as any other big kick.

jhawkjim-My point was that while Dan always likes to bash Coach K for only winning 3 titles with all the talent he gets at Duke, he rarely mentions other coaches such as Roy Williams who also choke in the tourney. Sure Roy made it to some Final Fours but it was his failure to sometime make it to the second week with players like Pierce, Vaughn, Lafrentz, Pollard.

So Hasslebeck's got a Grade 2 MCL Sprain, and Big Ben has a concussion (talk about an unlucky streak...)

Hasslebeck's out a month (at best). Big Ben is questionable for next week.

Let me be the first to say it - there is NO reason Roethlisberger should play next week. It's the Freakin' Raiders. If they can't beat the Raiders with their defense alone, they have bigger problems than Big Ben.

Charlie Batch will be fine. He'll throw for about 240, 2 TDs and a pick. And he'll cement himself to earn a fat new contact starting somewhere next year.

Look at Favre's stats this year. He has thrown fewer inteceptions than half the quarterbacks that have played all season, while throwing more attempts than most. 2 of his 5 interceptions were balls tipped up into the air by his inexperienced receivers - not Favre's fault. Give Favre credit for changing his game from last year and keeping the Packers in competition every game after week 1.

Also, Simmons wasn't directly attacking Dan. Dan is not the only person who uses the "instant history" schtick. A lot of sports people throw around the "Best ever", "Greatest Ever" labels way too often. Actually I'd argue that Dan is different from everyone else doing this because Dan acknowledge's it completely and uses it as "his style" of things.

Yeah Vinatieri's kicks were clutch but the reality is they were from 45 (in the snow to tie playoff game), 28 (in the snow to win playoff game), 48 (to win superbowl but in a dome), and 41 (to win super bowl in a dome). That's CLUTCH but not the same as back up an extra 15.

Tom Dempsey's 63 yarder was incredible, but the reality is that it's unfair. A rule was passed after that kick making the "steel hammer shoe" illegal. I'm sure kickers could kick longer field goals if they had steel plates in their shoes, that's why the NFL made it ILLEGAL.

The Jason Elam 63 was at altitude so knock it down the general 6 yard difference for kicks in Mile High and it's only 57. And, don't forget, that this was before HALFTIME, not like all the others in discussion, to win a game.

So, I'd say that Matt Bryant's 62 is the best ever here are the reasons in short.

Bryant 62 - career long was 50 at the time, to win game, 100 degrees, crazy humidity maing the ball softer and therefore doesn't go as far

Dempsey 63 - used the currently illegal "steel hammer shoe"

Vinatieri's numerous - not the same distance

Elam 63 - at altitude, not game winning

I hope you have enjoyed my coverage of the great kicks in NFL history.

I'd say that Dan uses it as a starting point for discussion; say that Event X is Greatest. Event. Ever. and then the masses respond with Well, Event V has to be considered better, and don't forget Event J, etc.

I think Bill's main problem is with columnists who don't have discussions. They just declare something as Greatest Event Ever and the readership is just supposed to nod like sheep. I think the reason Bill wasn't fond of the DQ was because he didn't taken into consideration the MQ, which was pretty much a discussion/response to the DQ. If you look at the DQ in a vacuum, Dan was guilty of the same crime as the columnists. If you look at it as part of the whole Quickie Experience, than Dan shouldn't be offended by Bill's comments because he's not really the target.

Dan, only because I'm here to defend the Jets, since you believe that they suck (and hey, they aren't that great, so I'm not a huge believer, either). Two notes to take on this session.

1. The Jets are 4-3 partially because their schedule is easy this season. You can make a case for them being over .500 at the end, even as good as 11-5 (they'll probably be 7-9, but it's a thought).

2. Any team is better when they have their #1 playing. The Jets were so bad last year because no one will have a good season when the most starts goes to quarterback #4. And Chad Pennington, while his game has plenty to knock, knows how to do enough to win. His record speaks for itself on that note.

Not anymore. It was in a Chat Bill did a few weeks ago, but the comment re: the Quickie (something along the lines of 'wished he worked as hard on that as he did the blog') was eliminated from the Chat Wrap.

If you go through Dan's archives, though, you should be able to find it.

But Adam V kicked his in horrible weather with everything on the line.

Bryant kicked his for a team already out of the playoff race in a situation that was considered a loss already--he really shouldn't have had any stress since there was no reason for anyone to expect him to make it. It was really just a fun surprise that it went in.

This is true. But then, it was really funny for non-Eagles fans because all the people in green at the stadium looked really obnoxious on TV after that 50-yard touchdown and then had these looks of pure "you have got to be shitting me" after the field goal went in. Just fun times (for non-Eagles fans).

chrth- Completely agree and you probably said it better than I did. Dan has used "instant history" and "greatest.ever." to generate arguements. IMO, he embraces it to get the conversation started. It's become his style to get the conversation started. I can't speak for Dan, but I believe that Dan's purpose has always been to get people talking and debating everything. That's why the MQ was fantastic.

It's a trend nowadays to say what is happening now is the "greatest ever". The USC football team...uhm..they lost. The NY Yankees 2006 playoff lineup..uhm.. nope. It's become the "cool" way to make what is happening now interesting so people will pay attention and to add hype to something. And Simmons calls them on it in his article, that's it.

Yeah, i was in a bar watching the games when it happened. After the touchdown, all the Eagles fans (and man, there were TONS. There are more Eagles and Bears fans than any of the NY teams) started the "E-A-G-L-E-S, EAGLES" cheer. Everyone was jumping around and giving high fives...and then the tension started rising when the Bucs drove, and no one said a word when they lined up to kick. Then it went in. Total quiet. Total shock.

Should a kick being "clutch" require that if you miss you lose? Adam V's kick in the tuck game tied it in regulation - clutch. The OT kick could be considered clutch given the likely ramifications of missing. However all of his Superbowl kicks were with the score tied. At worst they go to OT. Should those be considered clutch?

Vick? Breakout game? Yea, keep dreaming moron. 60% completion, decent, but better than his normal. 2 INT's, both completely his fault. What's so special? Doesn't this debate happen once a year, Vick has a stand out game and everyone claims "He's figured it out!" then he resumes being a horrible QB again.

I watched that game, if the Steelers don't cough it up inside their own 30 3 times the Falcons are NEVER in that game. When a drive started in Steeler territory, they were ok, but when they had to go any kind of distance he was his old self.

LT had 4 TD's last week, yes, he is great, but he didn't have a great rushing week. They just decided to give him the ball at the 1yd line 4 times instead of pass to Gates once or twice. TD's as a "stat" are meaningless, it all depends on who is the coaches pet when the ball gets inside the 20.

Did anyone see Brandon Jacob's celebration? He went to the the small star in the edzone, stood on it, and I swear he started sexual thrusts. He fucking did a porn star celebration!!! Can anyone look back and verify this?

Way to go Dan, 3-10 on the week and a good way to end it with you getting the Giants game wrong because you still think they are the 16th best team in the league. It's okay, i'd rather the Patriots succumb to the Shanoff curse.

Dan - I really enjoy your blog, read it every morning. What is the problem you have with Big Ben?

He sure didn't cost the Steelers the game - NFL QB rating of 147? Yes he's had bad games, but not this one. No running game to speak of and he's throwing fastballs - I'll take 16 of 22, 3 TD's no picks any day - and that was only 2 1/2 quarters of work. Football Outsider's Quick Reads has him as the third best performance of the week - above Michael Vick, who had a great game despite his two picks.

Note - the one fumble by Ben, Steeler center Jeff Hartings (Penn Stater!) has already said he blew the silent snap count, not Ben's fault.

The PROBLEM was the D - we have heard of Alge Crumpler, maybe they should have covered him?

I would sit Ben this week, Charlie Batch (NFL QB rating 145 for the Atlanta game) will handle the Raiders just fine!

(sorry my original post was better but it was eaten creating an account)

Hrm. We really need to do something about Simmons. He sucks as a writer, period.

I'll suffer through DS's bizarre hating and STILL take instant history over "Me and my buddy Sal were watching The O.C. the other night" any day of the freakin' week. Does anyone really care if Game 6 of the ALCS reminded BS (what an apt abbreviation) of something Mr. T said to Pee Wee Herman in 1989? I mean, seriously, what the fuck?

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