I think GG could be more successful if he presented his "the universe is set up for discovery" BS in the way Billy Preston did it.

--------------"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

Did anyone ever tell him the moon hasn't always been the same distance from earth as it is now?

Yeah, but the moon was designed to be at just the right distance when humans were to be designed. †And the earth-moon system was designed to have the earth's rotation be 365.25 days at just the right time to match the calendar!

Could've they have designed a calender in which the months are all the same length, and equal to a integer number of weeks?

Henry

No. The solar system was designed to encourage man to discover real numbers.

--------------"Following what I just wrote about fitness, youíre taking refuge in what we see in the world." †PaV

Biologic Institute welcomes three European scientists this month, the first (we hope) of many. [1] Professor Matti Leisola, the Dean of Chemistry and Materials Science at Helsinki University of Technology in Finland, brings a wealth of experience on the structure and function of enzymes, including their responses to engineered changes. His research team has made a huge impact in their field, with well over a thousand references to their work in the scientific literature.

Colin Reeves, Professor of Operational Research in the School of Mathematical and Information Sciences at Coventry University, expands our program of research on information theory and search algorithms. His work in this area has focused on genetic algorithmsósearch methods that borrow various principles from evolutionary biology. Connections of this kind between different fields provide opportunities for interdisciplinary collaboration, which is nearly always a good thing.

The addition of Stuart Burgess likewise brings us to an exciting interface between disciplines. Professor Burgess is the Head of the Department of Mechanical Engineering at the University of Bristol. Heís a first-rate engineer, but one with an unusual fascination with biology. Thatís the right combination of interests for designing things like robotic versions of flying insects. [2] Our interest, of course, is that you canít come away from projects like that without new insights into the connection between life and design.

Maybe your expertise will be the next valuable addition. If so, weíd like to hear from you. We arenít big (yet). But we keep seeing big opportunities.

So, that's a biochemist, a mathematician (sort of), and an engineer. Hm.

--------------It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

BIO-Complexity demonstrates its commitment to critical exchange in other ways as well. †For every peer-reviewed article it publishes, it seeks a well-informed Critique of that article. †And for each of these it seeks a Response from the original authors. †Unlike the original articles they comment on, Critiques and Responses wonít be peer reviewed. †The reason for this is that we want to give people appropriate freedom to state informed opinions boldly, without the level of caution that peer review tends to enforce. †And on the subject of peer review, the policy of BIO-Complexity is to seek evaluation from experts who fall on both sides of the ID controversy.

Yada Yada Yada.

10 June. Zero well-informed critiques. † † † † † † † † † †

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Finally, you can have your say as well, because everyone who agrees to abide by three common-sense rules can post comments on anything and everything that BIO-Complexity publishes [3].

I can have my say? Ok, great. Let's find out what we are dealing with.

Ok. And how were they doing that? Need some specialised equipment for that no doubt. Science stuff and all that. Hey, well, a freezer! They need them, right! I've seen pictures of labs and they often have what look like freezers in the background! And a Mac.

I guess they must spend a lot on rent instead. That's good. I mean, they then have plenty of cash left over to spend on research and all that. Hmm. These forms are new to me but I can't seem to find any other major expenditures thenOh. And the freezer was quite expensive! It must be a science freezer for sure!

And so, with their trusty Mac, freezer and photocopier they stride into 2007 steeling themselves for the fight and inevitable victory against Darwinism.

So, what progress in next year's form? Well, somebody gave them $725,100. They are still paying the same rent.

Well, doubters (I sense it), something did change! Something major. Yep! Another Apple! Top notch model at the time by my reckoning. Course it'll be outdated now but that's the way it goes!New research scientists joined the team that year. That'll be what they've been waiting for. To buy the equipment. To do the research. A cool 50k. Nice. Guess what with the excitement of the new Mac and I guess the freezer may have been playing up that's why they forgot to file their tax form!I wonder. Could this "third party" be him? it? The intelligent designer?

Nah. They'd need another Mac. We'll have to wait until 2009 is up to find out! But what did they achieve in 2008?

Woo! Nearly 4000 hits!

But it's like Mr Axe says † † † †

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Enough said. †Go explore. †I canít think of anything bad to say about BIO-Complexity, so Iíll leave that to others. †Let them have their say, and then come back to the question of what science is all about. †If youíre a big fan of science, I think youíll end up being a big fan of BIO-Complexity.

Yeah, I'm a big fan! Oh and 2007/8 saw Axe get a rise, taking in $92,083. I guess it was those 4000 hits. Or, nearly 4000 rather. A 36 % increase? If his website gets a million hits he'll be rolling in it! Imagine!

And next year? 2008? 2009? I think it'll go

Freezer, Mac, Mac, Photocopier, Mac

And after that? Impossible to tell.......

--------------I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gaugerís work, the evo mat narrative cannot standGordon Mullings

I nominate OM for POTW for due diligence and thoroughly enjoyable running commentary! †(does this thread have a POTx? Is Jason Spaceman on earthly furlough?)

--------------The majority of the stupid is invincible and guaranteed for all time. The terror of their tyranny is alleviated by their lack of consistency. -A. Einstein †(H/T, JAD)
If evolution is true, you could not know that it's true because your brain is nothing but chemicals. ?Think about that. -K. Hovind

Interesting that this thread alone has been in existence for about 3.5 years, has 12,117 views, and thus has an average annual view rate of nearly 3,500 views/year. The Biologic Institute seems to be playing in "Low Expectations Theater" mode.

Interesting that this thread alone has been in existence for about 3.5 years, has 12,117 views, and thus has an average annual view rate of nearly 3,500 views/year. The Biologic Institute seems to be playing in "Low Expectations Theater" mode.

Wes, so if he gets 97k for 40,000 views then you must be a millionaire

Interesting that this thread alone has been in existence for about 3.5 years, has 12,117 views, and thus has an average annual view rate of nearly 3,500 views/year. The Biologic Institute seems to be playing in "Low Expectations Theater" mode.

It says "Nearly 4000 unique visitors accessed the site within the first month of launch, indicating a considerable level of interest."So, we don't know how many visitors the site regularly gets. But knowing that whoever wrote this probably tried to give their numbers the most positive spin, that every ID-friendly site and - more importantly - a lot of decidedly ID-unfriendly sites linked to the Biologic institute's site after its launch, I think we can safely assume that their monthly visitor numbers are underwhelming.

Over the last year they've had under 3400 visitors in total according to Compete.

--------------"Random mutations, if they are truly random, will affect, and potentially damage, any aspect of the organism, [...]Thus, a realistic [computer] simulation [of evolution] would allow the program, OS, and hardware to be affected in a random fashion." GilDodgen, Frilly shirt owner

I think GG could be more successful if he presented his "the universe is set up for discovery" BS in the way Billy Preston did it.

"Nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin'"?

--------------"But it's disturbing to think someone actually thinks creationism -- having put it's hand on the hot stove every day for the last 400 years -- will get a different result tomorrow." -- midwifetoad

The Biologic Institute has changed its appearance. Seemingly it will be run as a kind of blog now. However, without comments.

--------------"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

--------------The majority of the stupid is invincible and guaranteed for all time. The terror of their tyranny is alleviated by their lack of consistency. -A. Einstein †(H/T, JAD)
If evolution is true, you could not know that it's true because your brain is nothing but chemicals. ?Think about that. -K. Hovind