2.also i have no idea why any one put "K" for ZaKhahernko, if it is ZaHarenko.

This is done when transliterating X from a Slavic language or Greek to English. The English H is softer than the X of Greek or Slavic languages, so the KH tells the reader to pronounce it more heavily than the normal English H.

Nothing to do with playing with anyone's mind.

blah-blah-blah....

then you need to write Khome , not home, KHorse not horse.

You do not understand the difference between voiceless velar fricative and voiced glottal fricative.

2.also i have no idea why any one put "K" for ZaKhahernko, if it is ZaHarenko.

This is done when transliterating X from a Slavic language or Greek to English. The English H is softer than the X of Greek or Slavic languages, so the KH tells the reader to pronounce it more heavily than the normal English H.

Nothing to do with playing with anyone's mind.

blah-blah-blah....

then you need to write Khome , not home, KHorse not horse.

You do not understand the difference between voiceless velar fricative and voiced glottal fricative.

rubbish.

As i did say , every village speak own accent. you live among them you would adapt to it. Just as English pronunciation across globe is not same.

So it is silly to put KH for H, or H for G, BEKOZ some USA born "lisa" think it is right.

1. Catholic mean worldwide, universal etc. not Conciliar ... there are not democracy in Church.

in reality there are not "orthodox Church". Church is "Catholic" , and teaching and perception are "orthodox".

No, catholic comes from the Greek kata holos which means 'according to the whole'. That's not world wide, nor universal if understood in a similar manner. Universal as pertaining to faith (see the Vincentian canon) would be make sense, but that's not at all the same as worldwide. Conciliar, does not imply democracy either. The Ecumenical councils were not decided by vote.

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As far i know Romania have few translation of creed used depending on region (it is not about "sobornicesc"). .... But lets back to Sobornaya - at "slavic" people take wrongly across. It used to promote autocracy of bishop etc, so basically it is promote Popism.

No, there are not a few translations of the creed. There are minor differences in phrasing just as there are in English but in every single one I have ever come across the Church is described as 'Biserica soborniceasca'. As to how on earth that could possibly be used to promote Papism, I have no idea. We don't have autocratic bishops and conciliarity speaks directly against such a monarchical ecclesiology.

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i am not fluent in Romanian , but "Sobor" have Slavic origin and on slavic have not much retailer to Universal, and most books do teach "sobotnaya" as ruled by council of bishops... And it is wrong, incorrect as well as path to corruption.

What faith are you? Are you seriously trying to say that Church councils (Ecumenical or otherwise) are the path to corruption? Sorry but you sound like a Protestant, and a pretty low church one at that, or possibly even a Restorationist.

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2. For me ἐλέησον and ἱλάσθητί are not same. Just same as μακάριοι is not εὐλογημένη , but people translated it english use just blessed.... for both.... if it not make diferent for you ...well ... it is not same for me so i did point it out.

...and if i do ask God about some thing , i like to make sure i am clear about.

What are you talking about? Do you expect it to be possible to do word for word translations from one language to another? If so I'm afraid that you're out of luck. It's quite common for one language to separate nuances that another language lumps together. That doesn't make either one wrong, just different. I'm pretty sure God knows what I'm asking for regardless of how the language I'm using works. It seems as though you may have doubts about that, though.

James

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1. Catholic mean worldwide, universal etc. not Conciliar ... there are not democracy in Church.

in reality there are not "orthodox Church". Church is "Catholic" , and teaching and perception are "orthodox".

No, catholic comes from the Greek kata holos which means 'according to the whole'. That's not world wide, nor universal if understood in a similar manner. Universal as pertaining to faith (see the Vincentian canon) would be make sense, but that's not at all the same as worldwide. Conciliar, does not imply democracy either. The Ecumenical councils were not decided by vote.

James

i guess it is dead end. look like your "catholic" and my are not same.

One , Holly, Catholic, Apostolic Church.

One - already make "whole".

There are good definition - all-embracing... sound good to me.

also i did find interesting "Russian" explanation about " Katholik (not Sobornaya):

2. For me ἐλέησον and ἱλάσθητί are not same. Just same as μακάριοι is not εὐλογημένη , but people translated it english use just blessed.... for both.... if it not make diferent for you ...well ... it is not same for me so i did point it out.

...and if i do ask God about some thing , i like to make sure i am clear about.

What are you talking about? Do you expect it to be possible to do word for word translations from one language to another? If so I'm afraid that you're out of luck. It's quite common for one language to separate nuances that another language lumps together. That doesn't make either one wrong, just different. I'm pretty sure God knows what I'm asking for regardless of how the language I'm using works. It seems as though you may have doubts about that, though.

James

You are noble man then, because most people do not know what they asking for.

Pray for me too.

"Lord have mercy ", sound like God just about to open your gut and drink your blood, and you begging to not do it.... it is not sound this way on koine (but its for me).