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What is the deal with FRAP? Loans for Down payment, Closing Costs, Rehabilitation, Energy Improvements What is this? Why do people need a loan for a down payment if they are qualified? A loan to get a loan? I don’t get it. As far as I can tell these homes are starting to move off the market and things are getting better at least in my little corner of the Park. The people buying the houses seem to be able to afford them and fix them up. Yeah they might end up just renting them out but at least it won’t be a death trap fire hazard. Is anybody else seeing things start to improve. Even if its just a little?

I found out that our HOA has $28k in unpaid dues. Interestingly, when I refi’d my rental property the bank started paying the HOA dues out of escrow. I have never had that done before. I wonder if that’s common now. If a lot of people were not paying HOA dues then maybe the banks have decided they need to escrow those too.

The house across the street from me was again on the market at a price significantly lower then the previous selling price for the 2nd time in as many years. It went from 377k to 300k to 145k. Now I wonder if that’s just an isolated case that I happen to be “lucky” enough to live across the street from, or if it’s more common.

I really like the slalom course on Manassas Drive. You know there’s nothing like testing out the handling to avoid a median curb by making a sharp turn to the right.

I just hope the drivers in the right lane can do the same instead of slamming into my car. I can only wonder if this is a temporary situation or if they’ll taper the lanes to the right more gradually later on. They could just leave it as it is and claim that it’s a “traffic calming” measure, but if they do that I hope they don’t plant any trees in that median, as they’ll be replacing them often.

It doesn’t appear that any businesses have committed to Park Center, other than the bank. At last check, all of the commercial spaces were showing as available on the website that Clark set up.

One interesting thing I learned recently is that apparently VA law only allows cities to borrow up to 10% of the total value of all the real property in the city. Manassas Park was valued at 1.6 billion, with the decline in assessments that may drop to 1 billion. If that happens then the city will only be able to borrow up to 100 million–and they already have close to that much in outstanding debt, if not more.

You’ve probably heard about how some spendaholics freeze their credit card in a block of ice so they won’t be tempted to use it. Well, this is like Manassas Park’s credit card getting frozen, and it won’t unthaw for a good long time.

Anyone have an update on the State Police investigation into the alleged “police brutality” in MP? Anyone know if the “victim” has filed her formal charges against the police officer? By the looks of it, this is going to die a quiet death!

One can only wonder how many attempts were consciously made to avoid arresting Ingmar Guandique, the Salvadorean “immigrant” who is about to be charged with killing Chandra Levy–especially after he was arrested for two other attacks using the same MO, in the same area of Rock Creek Park, at the same time Ms. Levy was found murdered.http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,497964,00.html

Apparently ol’ Gaudencio Fernandez has decided to remove his hate speech sign because, get this….”I want to show that we have good intentions and want to comply with the law.”

Ummm…yeah…sure thing. At the end of this wonderful piece of news, we hear this from the blight of Manassas….”This is not the end, like I fall down and don’t get back up,” Fernandez said. “This is just a little obstacle. We will look to get a permit and build another sign.”

Good luck Old Town….you’re gonna need it, since there are no real Americans there to slap him down (figuratively speaking for all of the demmy trolls on this board and those looking to prosecute any real American, so don’t get yer panties in a bunch).

The Prince William Board of County Supervisors issued a directive last week that will make it easier for small-business owners to prove they are living in the country legally.

Business owners will be able to certify their legal status, with no documentation required, online or by mail. Under the old requirement, part of a controversial immigration measure the board passed in October 2007, company owners had to provide proof in person when they applied for a business license.

Supervisor Martin E. Nohe (R-Coles) “struggled with this regulation,” he said, because it was unnecessarily onerous and time consuming.

“We are correcting a policy that was implemented poorly,” he said. “To me, this marks a positive step forward in terms of the county trying to make ourselves more business friendly.”

Notice of the policy change went out Thursday to company owners who have not renewed their business license. They have until March 1 to apply.

Carrying out the requirement would have cost the county $80,000, according to staff estimates. Although the county will save money with the change, it is difficult to quantify how much, Nohe said.

Prince William’s ordinance went into effect July 1. In the county, 4,000 small-business owners have licenses. It issued 286 licenses — new ones and renewals — after the ordinance took effect last year and 148 in January.

“The county was looking at a huge revenue loss due to noncompliance,” said John Gray, a county resident and accountant, who led the opposition to the requirement.

Supervisors, who discussed the changes in closed session, initially considered requiring applicants to submit an affidavit. Board directives are issued by consensus, which do not require on-the-record votes by board members.

Supervisors also issued a directive Tuesday that will require county contractors to use an electronic system to check workers’ documents.

The system, known as E-Verify, screens workers to confirm whether they are in the country legally. The county also will run names of new government employees through the verification system.

Last month, President Obama delayed a planned crackdown on federal contractors that hire illegal immigrants to determine whether the electronic system can handle the surge in workload. The federal government planned to require all contractors with projects worth more than $100,000 to use the system after Jan. 15. The requirement was postponed until May 21 while it is being studied.

Prince William officials decided to develop a procedure to be implemented within 120 days after the federal mandate goes into effect.

In other business Tuesday, the board passed an update to the housing chapter of the Comprehensive Plan, despite community opposition.

Members of advocacy organizations, including Virginians Organized for Interfaith Community Engagement and the Cooperative Council of Ministries, packed the board chambers in an effort to persuade supervisors to delay voting on the measure. The groups said the plan, designed to guide development for 20 years, addressed the temporary surplus of homes on the market but not the needs of working families.

Nohe offered four amendments, which were adopted, that addressed concerns with the update by reinserting references to the county’s need for more affordable housing.

This Frap is a rip off for the tax payers. The local Housing in P.W. is running a work session with selected Loan Officers and Realtors.
They say this is for anyone who wants to come here. It doesn’t have to be a P.W. Resident. It doesn’t have to be a First Time Buyer. So are the encouraging Investors to buy up these houses??? Then what move in many numbers of people to get alot of Rent?

The money they say is a salary of $85,000 for 1 person; $140 plus income for 2 ? It’s under the HUD Program.

Our Housing Dept. needs to stay out of this. I already wrote Supervisors and only Nohe wrote and said he knew nothing of this. What we have a County Agency having two sessions with County speakers and the Loan and Realtors and no one knows about this? How mmany independent agencies do we have in P.W. besides the Park Authority.
We need to haul this all in and tighten the Belt till it hurts them and they stop.

U.S. Border Control
Increased numbers of Latinos and illegal aliens sentenced in federal courts

Posted: 21 Feb 2009 08:03 AM CST

Criminals being sentenced in federal courts are increasingly Latino. In 2007, Latinos accounted for 40% of all federal offenders, more than three times their portion (13%) of the total U.S. adult population. At 40%, the Latino number of all sentenced offenders was up 175% from their 23% in 1991.

By 2007, immigration offenses made up nearly one-quarter (24%) of all federal convictions. They were just 7% in 1991. Hispanics made up 80% of those sentenced for immigration offenses in 2007, due to the sharp growth in illegal immigration and increased enforcement of immigration laws.

Demonstrating the sharp growth in illegal immigration, by 2007, Latinos without U.S. citizenship represented 29% of all federal offenders. Of all Latino offenders, 72% were illegal aliens, up from 61% in 1991. Far fewer illegal aliens sentenced were white offenders (8%) or black offenders (6%).

Fully 75% of Latino offenders sentenced for immigration crimes in 2007 were convicted of entering the U.S. unlawfully or residing in the country without authorization.

Hispanics who were convicted of any federal offense were more likely than non-Hispanics to be sentenced to prison. But among all federal offenders sentenced to prison, Hispanics were also more likely than blacks or whites to receive a shorter prison term. The statistics were included in the report “A Rising Share: Hispanics and Federal Crime,” published by the Pew Hispanic Center.
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from a recent email - http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog_post/relief_for_gaza/
President Barack Obama has signed an executive order presidential determination allowing hundreds of thousands of Palestinians to resettle in the United States. Sure, what can go wrong when we allow hundreds of thousands of people who have been, as Mark Steyn memorably described, “marinated” in a “sick death cult,” who voted for Hamas, and 55% of whom support suicide bombings live here and at the American taxpayers’ expense: By executive order, President Barack Obama has ordered the expenditure of $20.3 million in migration assistance to the Palestinian refugees and conflict victims in Gaza. The “presidential determination” which allows hundreds of thousands of Palestinians with ties to Hamas to resettle in the United States was signed on January 27 and appeared in the Federal Register on February 4. President Obama’s decision, according to the Register, was necessitated by “the urgent refugee and migration needs” of the “victims.” Few on Capitol Hill took note that the order provides a free ticket replete with housing and food allowances to individuals who have displayed their overwhelming support of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) in the parliamentary election of January 2006. Let’s review some of Barack Obama’s most recent actions since he was inaugurated a little more than two weeks ago: * His first call to any head of state as president was to Mahmoud Abbas, leader of Fatah party in the Palestinian territory. * His first one on one interview with any news organization was with Al Arabia television. * He ordered Guantanamo Bay closed and all military trials of detainees halted. * He ordered all overseas CIA interrogation centers closed. * He withdrew all charges against the masterminds behind the USS Cole and 9/11. * Today we learn that he is allowing hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refuges to move to and live in the US at American taxpayer expense. Anyone else seeing a pattern here?

Sure, legal2, what could possibly go wrong? It’s only the equivalent of the Indian Government inviting thousands of Taliban to populate its urban areas. We all knew that there was some reason why Hamas rooted for Obama the candidate. Now, it is clear why.

Some of you will recall that on July 8, 1947, a little over 60 years ago, witnesses claim that an unidentified flying object (UFO) with five aliens aboard crashed onto a sheep and cattle ranch just outside Roswell, New Mexico. This is a well known incident that many say has long been covered up by the U.S Air Force and other federal agencies and organizations.

However, what you may NOT know is that in the month of April 1948, nine months after that historic day, the following people were born:

Albert A. Gore, Jr.

Hillary Rodham

John F. Kerry

William J. Clinton

Howard Dean

Nancy Pelosi

Dianne Feinstein

Charles E. Schumer

Barbara Boxer

See what happens when aliens breed with sheep?

I certainly hope this bit of information clears up a lot of things for you. It did for me.

Shocking, rebelreggie, just shocking! Here’s another shocker from today’s DC Examiner: Centro Familia, a day care center for Hispanic immigrants and founded by Montgomery County (MD) school board member, Nancy Navarro, could not accout for close to a million dollars it received from the County’s HHS Department–raising “significant concerns” of possible waste, fraud and abuse of public funds.

And here’s yet another shocker: The US Supreme Court has decided to hear a case to determine if an act of ID theft admittedly committed by an illegal alien is really a prosecutable crime. If the decision is “no”, illegals will be given a right that none of the rest of us have: automatic immunity.http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6275264.html

A school board member has proposed a cop of a solution to “resolve” the Math Investigations quagmire it finds itself in. To bad the solution, as it is currently written, solves nothing.

The latest proposal is called the Blended Approach and puts the Superintendent and central office staff in charge of ensuring that the math program is blended. Of course for the last year and half the Superintendent and central office staff have been in charge of the math program and have been telling us that the program was blended (an unsubstantiated claim echoed often by our elected school board members), so apparently we’re just hoping this time they actually deliver.

The proposal also call for every student to be given both a traditional textbook / workbook and an Investigations textbook / workbook. The school system is $57 million in the hole now - where is it supposed to find the money to buy those materials?

Just having two books doesn’t mean the program is blended. The program is what lessons are taught with what materials and when. It’s the pacing and planning of those lessons. Right now the lessons follow the Investigations pacing with 90% of the materials coming directly from Investigations and the supplemental material added in only when necessary to meet SOL standards and NEVER in computation. Let’s assume that under the proposal the pacing is revised. Who do you think will revise the pacing - classroom teachers, the School Board, the Superintendent? Nope. It’ll be the math department and as they are all Investigations true believers it’ll be version 2 of the same pile of garbage we have now.

Version 3 if you believe that the pacing was changed the first time the school board and Superintendent told the math department to allow teachers to supplement.

Take a big step back and look at what the board is calling for - a blended approach. What exactly is a blended approach? What constitutes a blended program? I wonder why we haven’t heard a single statement defining what a blended approach or blended curriculum is?

That’s probably because no one on the board has any clue what a blended program is and could care less that the Superintendent and central office staff have repeatedly told them that a blended approach is IMPOSSIBLE and possibly HARMFUL. And the Superintendent and central office are keeping their mouths shut because all long as the school board remains intentionally clueless, all they have to do is promise to provide a blend and they won’t have to change a thing.

The cowards on the school board are trying to hide behind this proposal so that they can pat themselves on the back and say they solved the problem. To bad the proposal will solve nothing.

What’s wrong with the $145K house across the street from you? That’s a huge drop in price - more so than what’s been happening in the area. If nothing is wrong with it, why such a low price? Describe the house if you would.

A school board member has proposed a “solution” to “resolve” the Math Investigations quagmire it has found itself in. To bad the solution, as it is currently written, solves nothing.

The latest proposal is called the Blended Approach and puts the Superintendent and central office staff in charge of ensuring that the math program is blended. Of course for the 3 years the Superintendent and central office staff have been in charge of the math program and have been telling us that the program was blended, so I guess this time we’re just hoping they actually deliver.

The proposal also calls for every student to be given both a traditional textbook / workbook and an Investigations textbook / workbook. The school system is $57 million in the hole now - where is it supposed to find the money to buy those materials?

Just having two books doesn’t mean the program is blended. The program is what lessons are taught with which materials and when. It’s the pacing and planning of those lessons. Right now the lessons follow the Investigations pacing with 90% of the materials coming directly from Investigations and supplemental material added in only when necessary to meet SOL standards and NEVER in computation.

Let’s assume that under the proposal the pacing is revised. Who do you think will revise the pacing - classroom teachers, the School Board, the Superintendent? Nope. It’ll be the math department. As they are all Investigations true believers it’ll be version 2 of the same pile of garbage we have now. Version 3 if you believe that the program was changed the first time the school board and Superintendent told the math department to allow teachers to supplement.

Take a big step back and look at what the board is calling for - a blended approach. What exactly is a blended approach? What constitutes a blended program?

Wonder why we haven’t heard a single statement defining what a blended approach or blended curriculum is?

That’s probably because no one on the board has any clue what a blended program is and could care less that the Superintendent and central office staff have repeatedly told them that a blended approach is IMPOSSIBLE and possibly HARMFUL. And the Superintendent and central office are keeping their mouths shut because as long as the school board remains intentionally clueless, all they have to do is promise to provide a blend and they won’t have to change a thing.

The cowards on the school board are trying to hide behind this proposal so that they can pat themselves on the back and say they solved the problem. To bad the proposal will solve nothing.

“DC Examiner: Centro Familia, a day care center for Hispanic immigrants and founded by Montgomery County (MD) school board member, Nancy Navarro, could not accout for close to a million dollars it received from the County’s HHS Department–raising “significant concerns” of possible waste, fraud and abuse of public funds.” Again, satire could not top this for absurdity.

With all the talk in recent years regarding the dark side of sanctury policies - has anyone ever made the connection between the ultimate defacto prototype amnesty/sanctuary policy? Plyler vs Doe set the standard. Is anyone surprised that someone who works for a county school board would found a service designed to aid and abet aliens?

“And here’s yet another shocker: The US Supreme Court has decided to hear a case to determine if an act of ID theft admittedly committed by an illegal alien is really a prosecutable crime. If the decision is “no”, illegals will be given a right that none of the rest of us have: automatic immunity.http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6275264.html”

Another case of “ohp…gotta let him go… he’s an illegal alien … automatic immunity and all … release him back into the general population …”

I wonder if there will be an investigation into the Prince William County Sheriff’s Office actions regarding the murder of Lexie Glover?

Lexie Glover is the 13 year old Manassas girls’ body was found in a shallow creek that suffered from developmental delays and was in the sheriff’s office Project Lifesaver Program.

Lexie came from a abusive home and she would runaway. Her abusive parent would call the sheriff’s office ( a trained law enforcement agency) and the sheriff office would locate her and return her to the abusive home.

All the times she was return to the abusive home, are we to believe that the sheriff’s office never questioned her about why she would runaway? Why she was so nervous when they (sheriff’s office) showed up and why she didn’t want to go home?

Are you going to tell me the Sheriff’s Office just didn’t have a clue?

Anonymous:
A young mentally disabled girl ran away many times and was returned by the sherrifs office. There was no evidence that she came from an abusive home, that I heard of but I could be wrong, but if there was it would have been the job of social services to investigate those type of complaints, not the sheriff’s office. Hindsight is great but to question the professionalism of the sherrif’s office is ridicoulous. I can remember the uproar surrounding the previous sheriff and the citizens elected an honorable man to lead the sheriff’s office and now you want to bash him and the office for a tragedy that he had little or no control over. I happen to know for a fact that Sheriff Hill does not play favorites and has no problem releasing people who do not meet the professional standards he requires. He let go a high ranking deputy that helped him get elected for not meeting those standards. Give me a break, people like you and Greg sit on here and bash our local law enforcement men and woman until you need them.

I though that I saw or heard that they are only going to be providing support to the Gaza refugees. They would be going to Countries other than the USA.

The e-mail does not directly state that they are coming to the USA. But, reading between the lines, that is what I am inclined to believe. That they will be coming here.

Big Dog posted:

“We are all liberals at heart. We just don’t want to pay
for it.” Bob McDonnell (R) quoted in today’s WaPo. Humm.”

He must have been referring to elected officials. Of course, they are liberal. Liberal with taxpayers money!

Always be cognizant of the fact that: Liberalism is a mental disorder. Professional psychologists/psychiatrists have reached that conclusion, and, of course, the great Michael Savage wrote a best seller titled as such.

rebelreggie - would the antiBV founders be included in that list of “greats”?

“What’s wrong with the $145K house across the street from you? That’s a huge drop in price - more so than what’s been happening in the area. If nothing is wrong with it, why such a low price? Describe the house if you would.”

Externally, there doesn’t appear to be anything wrong with the house. I have not been inside. It’s a three-level townhouse, interior unit.

I think the problem may well be with the buyers:

The buyer who paid $377k for it ended up in foreclosure in less than a year. I wonder if they made even one mortgage payment, considering how long it takes the foreclosure process to go through.

The buyer who paid $300k for it lasted longer, but a little less than two years later and it’s on the market at a loss.

Prosecutor: Lexie Glover drowned
By KARI PUGH
For the Stafford County Sun
Published: February 19, 2009

WOODBRIDGE — Alexis “Lexie” Glover died from drowning and exposure to the cold after being dumped in a creek last month, according to a state medical examiner’s report.

The case of the 13-year-old has officially been ruled a homicide, and the girl’s adoptive mother — charged with felony child neglect and filing a false police report in her disappearance — will likely soon face a murder charge.

“We will present additional charges to the grand jury on March 2,” Prince William County Commonwealth’s Attorney Paul Ebert said today. He would not say what those charges might be.

Her mother, 45-year-old Alfreedia Glover, is out of jail on bond and staying with family in the Chesapeake area.

Police said she told authorities she took Lexie to Central Library in Manassas on the morning of Jan. 7, and then the girl ran away.

A massive two-day search involving more than 300 law enforcement officers ensued.

Police were concerned because Glover told them Lexie suffered from severe autism and sickle cell anemia.

Ebert said he didn’t know details of the girl’s medical condition.

On Jan. 9 all hopes of finding Alexis alive were dashed when a jogger in a golf course neighborhood on Greatbridge Road and Asdee Lane in Woodbridge, found the girl lying in a creek in about a foot of water.

According to court documents, police believe that Lexie had an unspecified medical emergency around 7 a.m. on Jan. 7 and Gregg-Glover did not get her proper medical attention.

Instead police believe she instead dumped her daughter in the creek.

She was jailed and then released on a $5,000 bond on Feb. 5.

A Prince William County judge did not consider Glover a flight risk at the time she was released on bond.

WOODBRIDGE — Alexis “Lexie” Glover died from drowning and exposure to the cold after being dumped in a creek last month, according to a state medical examiner’s report.

The case of the 13-year-old has officially been ruled a homicide, and the girl’s adoptive mother — charged with felony child neglect and filing a false police report in her disappearance — will likely soon face a murder charge.

“We will present additional charges to the grand jury on March 2,” Prince William County Commonwealth’s Attorney Paul Ebert said today. He would not say what those charges might be.

Her mother, 45-year-old Alfreedia Glover, is out of jail on bond and staying with family in the Chesapeake area.

Police said she told authorities she took Lexie to Central Library in Manassas on the morning of Jan. 7, and then the girl ran away.

A massive two-day search involving more than 300 law enforcement officers ensued.

Police were concerned because Glover told them Lexie suffered from severe autism and sickle cell anemia.

Ebert said he didn’t know details of the girl’s medical condition.

On Jan. 9 all hopes of finding Alexis alive were dashed when a jogger in a golf course neighborhood on Greatbridge Road and Asdee Lane in Woodbridge, found the girl lying in a creek in about a foot of water.

According to court documents, police believe that Lexie had an unspecified medical emergency around 7 a.m. on Jan. 7 and Gregg-Glover did not get her proper medical attention.

Instead police believe she instead dumped her daughter in the creek.

She was jailed and then released on a $5,000 bond on Feb. 5.

A Prince William County judge did not consider Glover a flight risk at the time she was released on bond.

Board Eases Application For Business Licenses
Rule for Proving Legal Residency Is Loosened

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It should state “Rule for Proving Legal Residency is STILL NOT REQUIRED”. Why even bother! The money WASTED on enacting this new change, the cost to deliver the notice with our renewal notice, and now the cost to send out thousands of letters like the one I got Friday telling me in a roundabout way they lost the will to make a difference.

“The county was looking at a huge revenue loss due to noncompliance,” said John Gray, a county resident and accountant, who led the opposition to the requirement.

I would like to know when the county, let alone the federal government, is going to start “…looking at a huge revenue loss due to noncompliance” with regards to the presence of illegal aliens.

When it comes to making rules and laws the county has to first determine the cost of enforcement versus the cost of violations. As you say, to enact a law and then not enforce it is a waste of everyones time and money. Not to mention it gives the impression that you can easily get away without obeying the rules, which promotes lawlessness.

If a county agency is to be investigated regarding the Alexis Glover case, it should be Social Services. Glover had contact with them, and they are the ones who should have known the story.

When Alexis ran awat previously and was found by a neighbor, someone, likely Social Services, contacted the mother and gave Alexis’s mother the neighbor’s phone number! This is truly chilling and a warning to all of us. If you report a case of child abuse, Social Services may give your personal info to the abuser. From the Washington Post:

“Byers said he was reluctant to call police because he feared they would send her home again. After a couple of hours, Lexie mentioned the name of a counselor she had met with at a psychiatric hospital, whom Byers then tried to contact. He was referred to a child protection hotline, which he called, and then received a call from someone at social services.

“The woman said, ‘We’re going to protect your privacy, and we’ll show up with police when they get to your door,’ ” Byers said. “Not quite an hour after that, the police showed up with no social services.”

The police officer told Byers that Lexie had a history of running away. He called for an ambulance when Byers showed him the gash on her head. Before leaving for a nearby hospital, the phone rang, he said. It was Gregg-Glover, who somehow had gotten Byers’s number, and asked to speak to the officer, he said.

“I hand [the phone] to the officer, and he had this real perplexed look on his face and he mouthed to me, ‘It’s her mother,’ ” Byers said. “Even the officer was flustered about that. He said, ‘That’s wrong. [Social services] shouldn’t have” shared Byers’s phone number.”

This article was published January 15, and I have heard of no one clamoring for an investigation into this outrage. If this is how Social Services handles suspected cases of child abuse, then no child and none who reports abuse is safe.

How many businesses are being operated by illegal aliens, employ illegal aliens and are not paying state and federal taxes in PWC? Just check the box on the form that you are “legal” with no proof or documentation required. Yep, that will control the problem of illegals starting businesses and hiring illegals. How much do you think the county is going to loose on this one? Do you really believe that all of these certifications (without proof) are true? If you do, I have some swamp and in Floridia I want to sell you. If they can fake SSN and other documents, do you think they can’t fake a business license? What a bunch of fools!

This Superintendent will lead us to destruction along with the Board that thinks he’s so great.
Just do a study that he did in New York. This tells the whole story and he was wanting out of there before they strung him up and this Board. took him on. What a disaster.

Anonymous said on 23 Feb 2009 at 9:28 am:
“Jm, I agree, the Sheriff’s Office and Social Services need to be investigated into what they knew and what they did about it.”

I saw nothing about the Sheriff’s Office in JM’s comment, and I’m getting a little tired of all the unfounded, and obviously self-serving and biased, accusations against the Sheriff for everything that happens in this county by a small circle of anonymous posters, most likely associated with one of the previous wannabes…or the wannabes themselves.

Supervisors Help Citizens Stay Safe
PRINCE WILLIAM COUNTY, VIRGINIA . . . Supervisor Marty E. Nohe from the Coles Magisterial District and Supervisor John D. Jenkins from the Neabsco Magisterial District will co-sponsor a joint Town Hall Meeting on Monday, Feb. 23, 2009, at 7 p.m. The meeting will be held in the Board Chamber of the James J. McCoart Administration Building and all are welcome to attend.

Representatives from the Prince William Police Department’s Crime Prevention Unit will present information on keeping your home and family safe, and discuss how they have dealt with recent serious crimes in the County. [end of announcement]

I can’t make this meeting myself, but someone should ask both Mr. Nohe and Mr. Jenkins why they are not being more proactive in preventing crimes by people who should not be in this County and this Country in the first place. It doesn’t take much of an intellect to figure out that such people are not here, they cannot commit a crime (or send their anchor babies to our schools, or take out sub prime loans, or live 20 to a single family house, or drive without a license, or clog our emergency rooms, or take jobs from legal residents, or trash our streets, or overburden our social services, or participate in gang violence, etc, etc, etc.). Maybe they’d like to come up on this thread and answer that question themselves. And if either would like some ideas on how to prevent crimes against their legal, law abiding constituents by making this county less desirable to illegal aliens, they can contact me.

Right. I haven’t read anything in the news about problems in the Sheriff’s Office, and I don’t wish to comment on that.

My only point is that something is seriously wrong in Manassas/PWC when citizens cannot report a possible case of child abuse without having their personal info released to the alleged abuser. This creates a potentially dangerous situation should anyone act on behalf of a child. According to the WaPo article, Alexis Glover’s neighbor found her and called the police. Lexie told the neighbor about an abusive home situation and the neighbor relayed this information to the responding officer, who in turn contacted Social Services. Shortly after the call to Social Services, Alfreedia Glover called the neighbor’s home. Since the neighbor and the officer didn’t call Glover, that only leaves Social Services as the culprit. Social Services is being investigated for not protecting Lexie, but nothing has been said about that office giving the neighbor’s personal info to an alleged abuser. If that is a practice at the office, then no one is safe from these criminals.

If you are talking about the situation when Alexis was found by her neighbors, that was not the Sheriff. It was the county police, which is an entirely different organization than the sheriff. The officer only released Alexis to her mother after Social Services declined to respond to the sitaution and instructed the police to return her to her mother.

The sheriff had nothing to do with it. PWC Sheriff’s office do not police the community. They are a largely administrative agency whose duties are restricted to assisting the county courts by acting as bailiffs and serving court summons and foreclosure notices, and other administrative tasks. They do not respond to police calls, patrol the community, or investigate crimes. That is all done by PWC Police.

Hardly, Anonymous…they’re all over this blog on various threads. So, which are you…wannabee associate or wannabe?

Insofar as the Lexie Glover case is concerned, there is NO report of the Sheriff’s Department having returned her to an abusive home…it’s all on the Department of Social Services, which is currently under investigation. You anti-Hill people should try sprinkling your aspersions with some facts on occasion.

And you should probably leave JM out of this because all he reported was the facts of the case according to the public information available. YOU are the one who brought the Sheriff’s office into this, out of context without any supporting data or information…as usual.

If you read the local paper you would know how they made a big deal that Lexie was in the sheriff’s office project life safer program and the sheriff’s office took her home several times after she ran away. Right back to the abusive home.

“Hardly, Anonymous…they’re all over this blog on various threads. So, which are you…wannabee associate or wannabe? ”

Lee Stoffregan should be out selling realestate. That’s his job now. Mike Messier should be doing…whatever it is he does these days. Lee’s former posse should get over the fact that just ’cause you donate $5K to the sheriff’s re-election campaign, and he gives you a shiny “special deputy” badge, that doesn’t make you a law man. It won’t get you out of speeding tickets, out of DUI stops, and it won’t get you into the NCAA games for free, when you tell the ticket takers you are in “hot-pursuit” of a federal suspect. Why? Because the voters got sick of Lee’s “Buford T. Justice” schtick and threw him out.

If you read the local paper you would know how they made a big deal that Lexie was in the sheriff’s office project life safer program and the sheriff’s office took her home several times after she ran away. Right back to the abusive home.”

Do you have proof that the home was classified as “abusive” by DSS? If you do, please produce.” If you don’t, please shut up, or at least let Grg know your name. It will save him the trouble when this little girl’s mother sues for defamation. She does need the cash for her legal defense. Also, your comments could be viewed as an attempt to taint a jury.

Are you talking about Project Lifesaver (not life safer)? That’s just a program to distribute tracking bracelets for at risk individuals. Yes, it’s for people who tend to wander off, such as Alzheimer’s patients, and they do assist witht he search when such people do wander. They do NOT investigate crimes or monitor or assess the living situation. That is the duty of the police and Social Services.

I haven’t seen anyone who is willing to give their name accuse the Sheriff’s office of any wrongdoing related to the Glover case or to Project Lifesaver.

I never said the home was classified as abusive by DSS. DSS never followed up on allegations of abuse, and I think that’s where DSS failed. Alexis was telling everyone, teachers, day care workers, the police, her neighbors, that she was being harshly punished and had to earn food and clothes, and no one listened to her when she told of the abuse and DSS did not investigate.

Right now Social Services is being investigated for their handling of the case, and investigators are looking into abuse at the home. Because Alexis told so many of the abuse, and the fact that she drowned in a creek in her mother’s presence, I believe she was abused and I have that right to say that I believe it.

In order to taint a jury, people to be summoned by the court and assigned as jurors in this case. If I try to influence a juror chosen for the case, that’s a crime. Expressing my opinion on a blog is no crime. If you think so, tell a cop. Greg has my ISP and email address, so if you think you have a case, bring it on!

I think you mistook my response to “anonymous” as a response to your comments.

“Anonymous” is one of the Trolls who constantly cry for the investigation and or recall of Glen Hill. These trolls will never pass up a chance to tangentally link the Sheriff’s department to any scandle. They are still mad that they lost their bought-and-paid-for shiny badges that the former Sheriff passed out as a reward for high level donations. It is deflection. They refuse to remember how Stoffreagen was investigated for embezzlment from slush-funds, forgot to turn in/stole a tightly regulated firearm (M16, not the civillian approved AR-15), etc, etc. Their guy was a crook. His right hand man was an enabler. His “special deputies” were political cronies, not trained law enforcement. More than a few got caught on the wrong side of the law, and tried to use their illegal, expired credentials to represent themselves as sworn officers.

Sheriff Hill runs a very good Department.He is known for his hoesty and doing the job right. He did so many years with the Jail and with the Police Dept.

People who tear him down,just don’t know him and plus they must be the supporters of the Old Sheriff and all of his antics. If you want to check somebody out check out the prior Sheriff and you will find alot of misbehaving.

Sheriff Hill is the best thing that ever happen to our County and to our Sheriff’s Dept.

Anonymous, you’re an idiot who must have had to return your paid for badge, if you ever did return it as many former people who bought one didn’t. The bottom line here as pointed out so well by previous posts, the Sheriff did nothing wrong and actually did their job well by having a well organized search in place only minutes after she was reported missing. In fact. her bracelet was found within minutes of the report made by her criminal mother. That was the responsibility of the life saver program and it absolutely worked, Unfortunately, her mother knew the police and sheriff’s deputies would respond to the bracelet and used that to her advantage. The appropriate people are being investigated as should be occurring, DSS. You should go back and learn how to read, and then comprehend what you read because just as many others, I see nowhere where the Sheriff’s office is either been accussed or being accussed of any wrong doing. Why should untrained sheriff’s deputies recognize abuse in their very little contact with the family when fully trained DSS employees who had much more contact and were actually assigned to this case didn’t? You only see wrong doing because your good old boy sheriff was beaten by a honorable man. And just for the record, I am not a member of the sheriff’s office, have no family in the sheriff’s office, have only met the good sheriff in performing my duties as a former employee of Manassas City but am smart enough to know when the citizens of PWC, Manassas and MP are better off. Good riddens to lee Stoffreggen (sp?) and his band of cronies. We are better off without him.

Brian: what are your thoughts on MP making us pay another 6 months property taxes based on the 2007 inflated values? How can they just decide to not reassess until May on a whim and why didn’t the people tell them to stuff it? I hate paying taxes for 300k on a house in a development where the most recent home sold for $149k. It seems this city always has another can to kick down the road…

I am sorry to break your thread. I wanted to invite you all to see Cong. Tom Tancredo this Wednesday. The event is being hosted by the Young Americans for Freedom - George Mason at the Fairfax Campus of George Mason University.

It will take place at 7:00pm in the Johnson Center (the biggest building) on the 3rd Floor in Meeting Room E.

For those who do not remember, Jim Fotis moved to PWC and IMMEDIATELY started going after Glen Hill because, in my opinion, that was the only reason he moved here…guess he took some bad advice that Glen and the Sheriff’s office might be easy pickings. His attacks, and those of his small circle of friends, have continued unabated ever since, most publicly on this forum.

Let me assure you Jim, your continued disparaging commentary about Glen and the job he has been doing has only served to energize me into doing everything in my power to see to it that you never hold ANY office in this County…and I have no doubt that I’m not the only one who feels that way. You have no interest in either the Republican Party here OR our County or you wouldn’t be constantly castigating a Republican elected official who happens to be very popular among not only the Republicans, but among a vast majority of Prince William County residents…and voters!

If only you Hill lovers would get to know him and his record (his budgets and how his office has grown are online) you would know everthing said is the truth.

JM, you have got to be a Hill supporter because you just don’t have a clue about this case or what the sheriff’s office dose.”

Okay. WHo is this blithering idiot Anonymous? First of Anon. JM is spot on. his description on the Sheriff is pretty much correct. The old Sheriff, the one run out of town, tried to take over policing in PWC and failed miserably. Sheriff Hill is doing the job he was elected to do and is doing it well. The employees there now that were there when Lee was there are so much happier with Hill. No controversy, no wanna be’s running aroung with badges because they donated thousands to Lee’s coffers.
The PWC Police are the main LE entity and they gladly take the assistance offered by the deputies of the Sheriff’s department when they are available but the police are solely responsible for all LE in the county.

As was pointed out earlier by someone far more astute than you DB…”The PWC [and the City(s)] Police are the main LE entity.” I am quite sure that he has done everything within powers under the law, including 287g (the jail, including the Magistrates’ Office falling under his purview).

By the way DB, I also agree with that astute individual’s assessment (Former Officer said on 24 Feb 2009 at 7:12 am) regarding Anonymous (”WHo is this blithering idiot Anonymous?”) and would further suggest that you might easily fall within the same description. I can’t say that I’ve ever noticed any comments from you which ever offered any information of value, much less good judgment.

yet another molestation, this time of a 12-year old. No clue whether the person is illegal but I wouldnt doubt it.

when is this garbage gonna stop? check out the MJM and see the headline story.

Check out the story on the same page as the 12 year old. Another Latino “DUDE” raped his girl friend and is being held without bond. Guess why”

That’s three cases in a week of Latinos (illegal at that) comitting rape and molesting children. Aren’t we lucky to have this diversity in our county? We just have to feel sorry for them as they are here only to provide for their families (provide what, rape and sodemy?)

Brian: what are your thoughts on MP making us pay another 6 months property taxes based on the 2007 inflated values? How can they just decide to not reassess until May on a whim and why didn’t the people tell them to stuff it? I hate paying taxes for 300k on a house in a development where the most recent home sold for $149k. It seems this city always has another can to kick down the road…

Can’t you appeal your assessment? Prove the house is not worth what they assessed it for. That should be easy.

Anon: AFAIK you can only appeal during a short window at reassessment time. Since reassessment and appeal window isn’t until May/June this year instead of the usual February/March time frame and the taxes are due in May, that means that we will have to pay another 6 months of taxes based on 2007 values. That was my whole point and I was hoping that Brian could validate that for me since he has his ear to the ground of MP politics and city goings on. I of course will be appealing my assessment in May if it is any higher than 180k or so since houses in my hood have been selling for that or lower for the past year. The house is currently valued at ~300k according to the 2008 MP assessment which was based solely on 2007 values. That’s a nasty drop in value across the board for MP tax revenue. ~2% rate here we come and that’s going to be a killer stigma for the city to shoulder if that is allowed to happen. IMO it would start a whole new wave of foreclosures as homeowners current on their mortgage but on the fence would just decide it’s not worth it to live here any longer and walk away. It would mean that our tax rate in MP would be 50-100% higher than everywhere else. I don’t follow this stuff closely any more and was hoping I was wrong and Brian could clear it up for me. Hope that makes sense.

DB cooper, I also add you as an idiot. What the hell is glen Hill suppose to do about illegal immigration? One he is not the main LEO in the county and he doesn’t even control the jail unlike most other sheriffs in the area. That is left up to the regional jail board. So why don’t you tell us what he is suppose to do. I like the fact that i am not paying for the sheriff’s office to duplicate services and the fact that he is doing what he is supposed to do, run the courthouse and serve civil summons. If that is the best you got, illegal immigration, then you need to crawl back in the hole you came from. And i extend the invitation to you, I am easily found by asking just a few questions around the City and I have previously left my private email address, feel free to contact me moron!!

I have always heard sheriff Hill had thugs as supporters but wow, what an eye openner. These sound more like roughneck Democrats than Republicans.

FormerCOMemployee said on 23 Feb 2009 at 7:29 pm: Flag comment

By the way, anonymous, I am easily found if you read previous posts or ask around in the City so also feel free to bring it on, I welcome you contacting me if you so choose, loser.

AWCheney said on 23 Feb 2009 at 10:38 pm: Flag comment

For those who do not remember, Jim Fotis moved to PWC and IMMEDIATELY started going after Glen Hill because, in my opinion, that was the only reason he moved here…guess he took some bad advice that Glen and the Sheriff’s office might be easy pickings. His attacks, and those of his small circle of friends, have continued unabated ever since, most publicly on this forum.

Let me assure you Jim, your continued disparaging commentary about Glen and the job he has been doing has only served to energize me into doing everything in my power to see to it that you never hold ANY office in this County…and I have no doubt that I’m not the only one who feels that way. You have no interest in either the Republican Party here OR our County or you wouldn’t be constantly castigating a Republican elected official who happens to be very popular among not only the Republicans, but among a vast majority of Prince William County residents…and voters!

The same author that snopes used as a resource who said the Presidential order did not explicitly invite thousands of Palestinian’s to resettle in the US, is reporting of Hamas ‘happy’ with the $900 million Obama has promised - http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=89949
* His first call to any head of state as president was to Mahmoud Abbas, leader of Fatah party in the Palestinian territory. * His first one on one interview with any news organization was with Al Arabia television. * He ordered Guantanamo Bay closed and all military trials of detainees halted. * He ordered all overseas CIA interrogation centers closed. * He withdrew all charges against the masterminds behind the USS Cole and 9/11. * Today we learn that he is allowing hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refuges to move to and live in the US at American taxpayer expense. Sorry, I still see a pattern here.

Quit deflecting the question by redirecting it toward other people/entities while mixing in an ad hominem attack.

Question stands: What has Sheriff Hill done to protect the legal residents of PWC from the Illegal Invaders? If you don’t know, I can accept that.”

What would you expect Hill to do? He is NOT charged, let me say it again, NOT charged, with LE within PWC or the cities and towns. He has the courthouse and is charged with the service of civil process and certain warrants. He does NOT have the jail as that is a regional jail and NOT under the control of the Sheriff’s office. (Has not been for many years) Let me know what part of any of this you and your dipshit old LEE supporters do not understand.
Damn some of you are really brain dead.

In the code of Virginia the Sheriff is charged with making sure the laws in the town, city or county inwhich they are elected are enforced, are they are to enfoce the law. So if there were no crime in Prince William you would be correct.

“Brian: what are your thoughts on MP making us pay another 6 months property taxes based on the 2007 inflated values? How can they just decide to not reassess until May on a whim and why didn’t the people tell them to stuff it?”

Parked:

I believe what they are trying to do is use the assessments to set the size of the budget. I also believe that is how we got into the mess we’re currently in. Assessments are there to equitably divide the property tax burden, not to be used as justification to grow the budget and play these games of dropping the property tax rate 10% while the assessments went up 20% and calling that a tax cut (and then sending out a flyer advertising that one of your accomplishments was cutting the property tax rate)

There was a public hearing about the assessment date change. I don’t believe anyone spoke at that public hearing during citizen’s time.

In the code of Virginia the Sheriff is charged with making sure the laws in the town, city or county inwhich they are elected are enforced, are they are to enfoce the law. So if there were no crime in Prince William you would be correct.”"”"”"

No kidding Sherlock? I didn’t know that. (Insert rolling eyes here) This may be true but an agreement made many years ago created the Prince William County Police and gave them control of all LE in the county. Do some research and you’ll find out you know less than you may think.

So in Prince William County, America, we have a Sheriff and he gets elected and he draws a salary and he carries a gun and he wears a badge and he dons a uniform and he has a big budget so he can hire lots of others who wear badges and uniforms and carry guns. And he probably has a fleet of Gran Torino’s. But he and his underlings have no law enforcement duties. “He has the courthouse.” “He serves warrants and certain civil process.”

That’s impressive. The BOCS should look no further than the Sheriff’s office for budget cutting. Replace it with Wackenhut or Blackwater (now Xe) on a time and materials contract and make all these wannabe five-oh types hit the bricks and find some real jobs. Like mall security.

You’re an ass Cooper. First of all, there is nothing “token” about Glen Hill. Unlike you (I can’t imagine that you could be anything BUT a Johnny-Come-Lately transplant), he has lived and worked in Prince William County almost his entire adult life (since 1969). As the Commandant of the jail system, his award-winning tenure attracted attention from penal system administrators throughout the country, many of whom came to Prince William County to observe his methods. He has virtually universal support and respect from the law enforcement professionals throughout our County and Cities (of course, the Stoffregen crew aren’t very thrilled with him…which, to most of us, is a BIG point in his favor).

I really do not like to use the word “racist” to describe anyone, unless it is extremely obvious, however, YOUR racism is really showing.

Anonymous said on 24 Feb 2009 at 10:57 pm:
“In the code of Virginia the Sheriff is charged with making sure the laws in the town, city or county inwhich they are elected are enforced, are they are to enfoce the law.”

The office of Sheriff is a Constitutional office, thus elected by the voters of their respective county in its totality (including the cities therein):

Virginia Constitution
“Section 4. County and city officers.
There shall be elected by the qualified voters of each county and city a treasurer, a sheriff, an attorney for the Commonwealth, a clerk, who shall be clerk of the court in the office of which deeds are recorded, and a commissioner of revenue. The duties and compensation of such officers shall be prescribed by general law or special act.”

As you can see, no specific duties are prescribed. Insofar as the Code of Virginia is concerned, it also does state anything about the specific duties of Sheriff, with the exception of the “custody, feeding and care of all prisoners confined in the county jail.”:

“§ 15.2-836. Department of law enforcement.
The sheriff shall exercise the powers conferred and perform all the duties imposed upon sheriffs by general law except as herein provided. He shall have the custody, feeding and care of all prisoners confined in the county jail. He shall perform such other duties as the board may impose upon him. The sheriff shall be selected as provided by general law. The sheriff and such other deputies and assistants appointed hereunder shall receive such compensation as the board prescribes. Any police officer appointed by the urban county executive or the board shall be under the supervision and control of the board unless such supervision and control are conferred upon the urban county executive. Such police officer shall have such powers as may be provided by general law throughout the county, including all towns therein.”

The powers of the Sheriff, as is the compensation, are determined by the local governing bodies. OUR local governing body, including the cities, have determined that the police departments are the agencies of local law enforcement.

Perhaps, Mr. Fotis, you should familiarize yourself a bit more with Virginia law, as well as Prince William County, before you presume to accuse a local official of not doing his job. Some counties HAVE endowed the Sheriff with the authority of Chief Law Enforcement Officer…many, if not most, have not.

Unlike a police or jail board that only have one function, the sheriff’s office has many functions. And that is why a county does not have to have a police department or jail board but by law must have a sheriff’s office.

§ 15.2-1609. Sheriff.

The voters in every county and city shall elect a sheriff unless otherwise provided by general law or special act. The sheriff shall exercise all the powers conferred and perform all the duties imposed upon sheriffs by general law. He shall enforce the law or see that it is enforced in the locality from which he is elected; assist in the judicial process as provided by general law; and be charged with the custody, feeding and care of all prisoners confined in the county or city jail. He may perform such other duties, not inconsistent with his office, as may be requested of him by the governing body. The sheriff shall be elected as provided by general law for a term of four years.

So Anon. You’re maintaining that the MOU between the county and Sheriff’s office to have the police department formed back in 1970 is illegal? It’s hard to make out at all what you’re trying to say. Not that anyone really cares. Also, you must think that Sheriff Hill is negligent in his duties since there is a regional jail and not one operated by the Sheriff?

Anonymous, the Sheriff is a CONSTITUTIONAL office so, yeah, every county will have one. While you’re checking out Virginia Code, don’t forget to check out definitions…that general law does not reference State law:

§ 15.2-530. Powers and duties of sheriff.
“The sheriff shall exercise the powers conferred and perform the duties imposed upon sheriffs by general law. He shall have the custody of, and be charged with the duty of feeding and caring for, all prisoners confined in the county jail. HE SHALL PERFORM SUCH OTHER DUTIES THE BOARD IMPOSES UPON HIM.”

and…

§ 15.2-504. General powers of board.
The board shall be the policy-determining body of the county and shall be vested with all rights and powers conferred on boards of supervisors by general law, consistent with the form of county organization and government provided in this chapter.

Anonymous, AKA Fotis, just because you say it’s so, ain’t going to make it so, [add preferred descriptive expletive/insult here].

I will concede one point: “He shall enforce the law OR see that it is enforced in the locality from which he is elected.” Obviously, at least to a reasonably intelligent human being, this means that, if no bonifide local law enforcement entity sanctioned by the “board” exists, the Sheriff assumes those duties.

I should like to point out that all these definitions under the search function “general law” reference LOCAL government in the code, which is tasked with defining the duties of local law enforcement…of which the Sheriff is one.

I’m well aware of the fact that your intent, Fotis, is to see our county law enforcement politicized just as Sheriff Hill’s predecessor tried to do. The only difference is that you want to do it from the far right. Sorry bubba, but you may want to check out Mississippi…they might have a few places left where your brand of law enforcement is still desired.

I will concede one point: “He shall enforce the law OR see that it is enforced in the locality from which he is elected.” Obviously, at least to a reasonably intelligent human being, this means that, if no bonifide local law enforcement entity sanctioned by the “board” exists, the Sheriff assumes those duties.

IF you want to rewrite the code you will have to run for office. Right now the sheriff always has the right to enforce the law. He is sworn to it when he/she takes office.

Everyone should pick up a copy(or read online) of todays’ Washington Times. Too many stories to link here. There is a story covering the outrage on the left over immigration raids, a story of three illegal teens who targeted law enforcement for death in order to join a gang, a story on a huge round up of mexican drug dealers. There is also an editorial about the failure of Congress to keep E-verify in the pork bill.

Good times indeed. Time to stock up on guns and ammo to get ready for when the sh** to hits the fan.

The post refers to Sheriff Stoffregen attempting to take over policing in PWC and failed. I feel the record needs to be set straight on this matter. The goal of the Sheriff’s Office at that time was not to take over policing responsibilities. Stoffregen obtained grants to purchase radar equipment & train deputies for radar enforcement. There was no “duplication of services” as Police Chief Charlie Deane insisted. Any radar enforcement activity was coordinated with the Special Operations Bureau of the P.D. At that time deputies were also enforcing common violations they observed. This effort lead to the arrest of several wanted subjects, drug possessions, suspended drivers, an occasional DUI driver, and even the recovery of stolen vehicles.

During this time the county was having a problem with loitering, drinking, and drug use/dealing in its county parks. Stoffregen decided to have his deputies check the parks in their service areas during the course of serving civil process, and enforce any observed violations. Why was this necessary? Because on any given day the police department’s patrol officers could be found trying to catch up answering calls for service which were usually behind 30-45 complaints. Officers were routinely pulled off of calls to answer higher priority matters. This left them without back-up for calls requiring the dispatch of multiple officers. Stoffregen also asked his road deputies to listen to dispatch and provide assistance as back-up only for dangerous calls when one officer was being dispatched.

Instead of thanking him for assisting his officers, Charlie Deane went to the County Executive complaining a duplication of services was occurring, and then made this public for the upcoming elections. Imagine the lack of leadership being executed by Charlie Deane. He has an understaffed police department with several positions remaining unfilled, and the only thing he can worry about is “protecting his turf.” Those are words directly from the mouth of the Chief of Police. Imagine how irresponsible this lack of leadership was for the safety of his officers.

The Sheriff’s Office never attempted to “duplicate” any services provided by the P.D. The enforcement efforts by the S.O. meant you could no longer speed by an appointed LEO and feel safe from receiving a traffic summons for your disregard of the law, and his/her constitutional authority. I think citizens should stop looking at this argument as a “duplication of services” and see it for what it is: A police chief who is so hungry to control all measures of law enforcement that he will sacrifice the safety of his officers and the general public for more control of the kingdom.

Stoffregen was a terrible politician with arguable integrity issues, and that was what ultimately caused his defeat to Sheriff Hill. But he provided services free of charge that kept both the general public and the law enforcement community safer. It should bother people that Charlie Deane has such a wanton disregard for safety that instead of working with the Sheriff’s Office he uses Glen Hill to run for Sheriff just to protect his control of policing in PWC. Then to control the internal works of the office, he stacks the staff officers of the Sheriff’s Department with his own supervisors from the police department. Along with his position on the ADC Jail Board he controls it all in PWC. Ask yourself as a taxpayer. Is it a good idea to have a COP in place with all of these issues who has served in the Virginia Retirement System for 50 years. Then ask yourself why hasn’t he retired? The answer is simple: it’s about the enjoyment of power and control.

I like Glen Hill. My experiences with him were always positive while he worked with outside agencies at the jail. But he served as a “frontman” for Charlie Deane to get rid of Stoffregen. The simple test to determine the effectiveness of his leadership: speed past a deputy. You won’t be stopped because he/she no longer has a ticket book to enforce the law. I find that shameful. The constitutional authority to enforce criminal & traffic codes but no leadership to allow it. Thank Charlie Deane when you see him.

This Denver, Colo. case should be interesting. The case will probably be thrown out of court at the lower levels. But, I am hoping that the plaintiffs have sufficient resources to finance appeals all the way to the Supreme Court.

Flat Branch bridge has once again been tagged by our friendly Mexican neighbors who want us to appreciate their “art work.” I guess they want to remind us of their presence. Apparently Sr. Fernandez (don Quixote) did not make the impression they want. CPS has been notified this AM.

Good Time Charlie, there WERE numerous incidents of duplication of services…I witnessed several myself. Also, although I did not witness the incident, I understand that there was at least one occasion (I heard of more, this one was definitely credible) where a “Special Deputy” (you know, one of those who bought themselves a badge from Stoffregen) RUSHED to the scene of an accident (heard the call on his car scanner), nearly creating more accidents along the way, and proceeded to interfere with police and rescue work. THAT was the way Stoffregen’s policies most affected law enforcement in this county…politics before public, his Golden Rule.

Good Time Charlie, The former Sheriff’s efforts cost the County and cities much. First he was competeing against the PWCPD for grants to fund his LE efforts. Second less you forget while he had he deputies out running radar he was at PWC Board meetings asking for additional money claiming he needed additional deputies for courtroom security. Now I am not a business major, but it would seem to me you should first ensure your core duties are taken care of within your finances before taking on additional responsibilities. Now this Charlie, is a fact. I have no problem with the deputies taking LE duties in their hands while performing their other duties, but I will be damned if I want to pay for additional deputies just because the sheriff thinks he is responsible for LE duties and getting into a pissing contest with the man hired by the PWC BOCS to perform the LE duties. If Stoffregen wanted to be a police officer he should have applied for the job like everyone else. He knew what the responsibilities were when he ran his campaign. The man was a crook and never should have been carrying a gun in the first place.

In 6 budget years (2004 - 2010) the sheriff’s office operations budget under Sheriff Glendell Hill has been fattened from 5.3 million in 2004 to over 8 million
in 2010. An increase of over 50%. During the same time period his staff has been beefed up from 74 full time deputies to a requested full time 89 deputies. An increase of 15 full time deputies ( all this information is online you can see it for yourself). So, you know he has the pork and the manpower in his budget to get it done he just lacks the leadership to do it.

Religious, social, and political conflict since the middle ages thru today has resulted in periodic episodes of “book burning” to settle cultural scores or wipe out traces of civilization. Civilized people reject book burning.

And while burning books, protected by the First Amendment, is not acceptable by civil society in the United States today, unfortunately the same cannot be said for guns, protected by the Second Amendment. . . .

The difference anonymous is so has court cases and expenses. Everyones budget increased during that time. The difference being, it wasn’t because he had deputies out performing duties that were not their responsibility. Lets put it in this perspective, in the County and both cities, the fire marshal’s are LEOs. What if they decided to go around and perform traffic duties and then go to the governing bodies and ask for more FMs. Their responsibilities are for fire related crimes and enforcing the statewide fire prevention code, doesn’t make sense does it?

In it he says that if elected he will take federal stimulus money “to the maximum degree as possible.”

We need real conservative leadership to get our economy back on track and that begins by saying no to Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid’s pork-laden trillion dollar spending bill.

Email Paul Jost (pjost@cfsgsa.org) at the Virginia chapter of the Club for Growth and tell him to ask McDonnell to stand with Eric Cantor and Bobby Jindal and oppose a massive spending bill that will saddle our children with debt and force states to pay for more handouts for the unemployed.

Bob McDonnell needs to decide if he is going to stand with conservatives or with the liberals who are spending America to death. Which side is he on?

Fotis, you are such an incredible ass, lacking in honor and integrity, with a rather clouded history as Executive Director of that “non-profit” (LEAA). You are the LAST type of individual this county needs in our law enforcement, and every time you “open your mouth” you bury yourself deeper. Which “non-profit” is paying for your home, automobile, and personal political agenda now?

You have to look at Glendell Hill as an employee because we (the people) hired (pay) him in a leadership role as our Sheriff. To serve and protect us.
What did we get in return? Increased staff, 15 to 20% reduction in service, 50% increase in cost and his lack of leadership.

Well anonymous (Fotis), I for one am completely satisfied of the job Glen Hill has done. He has returned professionalism back to the SO. I for one will support him in any way possible to get him reelected and most importantly, to keep ungrateful, lieing and just plain unprofessional people like you and the former sheriff out of office. The SO is no longer a “Good Ole Boy Network” providing badges to people for a few hundred bucks in donations to the campaign effort. It’s one thing to believe in youself and think you can do a great job as the Sheriff, it is a completely different thing to berate, spread rumors and lies about the man that the very large majority of PWC, Manassas and MP citizens elected to do the job.

I hear ya FormerCOMemployee, Sheriff Hill maybe a big spender, lack leardership skills, like to take it easy by having a big staff and cutting services and would rather hug-athug- than arrest him but his is a good ol’boy and you like him.

Grayson, I have watched from afar Glen Hill release one of his most faithful, well respected high ranking deputies (who happens to be a friend of mine) for an incident in which the deputy was wrong, the good Ole Boy network does not exist in this administration. What services have been cut? Do you mean the services that the former sheriff should not have been doing in the first place? Explain the hug-a-thug since the sheriffs deputies do not regularly arrest criminals. There main responsibility is courthouse security and CIVIL PROCESS SERVICE. As far as leadership skills, he was in charge of one of the most respected jails in the country. So successful that is was used as a model for other agencies, that is a fact which can be researched. Get over the fact that Glen Hill was elected by a very large majority of the voters and will be around as long as he wants because he is an honorable and well respected man.

I guess one man’s lazy big spender is another man’s honorable and well respected man.

This was just sent to me. Any Hill supporters (or anybody else) know anything about this?

Glendell Hill is a liar and a cheater.

Facts: He was fired from the Manassas City Police in 1983 because of the Hoffman scandal. He was caught by the Manassas Police several times for drunk driving and for drinking beer under the bleachers at a Osbourn High School football game. He went 6 years without paying his taxes. His first wife divorced him because of adultery.

One rumor that I cannot confirm is that he was a suspect or a person of knowledge in the Trooper John Bowman murder.

Fotis, you may be posting as anonymous…but what you are saying here is blatant libel, unless you can prove that every bit of it is true. If you think that your true identity cannot be proven under the right circumstances, think again!

Anonymous (Fotis), this will be my last response to you because you are not worth the energy. You are a racist bigot who provides nothing to the human race and your last post proves it. I feel sorry for your family for having to put up with your sorry a$$. You can neither prove or disprove any of these items except maybe the tax issue. You should go stick your sorry a$$ head in the commode and flush because you are wasting valuable air the rest of us could be breathing. It is one thing to disagree, but to spread vicious rumors that you can’t prove make you a completely unbelieveable a$$, unworthy of being allowed to give your opinion. Now, if you want to contact me feel free to get my email address from Greg and we can discuss it further off this blog because I will not provise you a platform to dishoner a good man.

Now you’ve gone too far Anonymous and I for one Glen Hill can ID you and sues the living crap out of you. This goes above slander and libel and I hope you pay for it. You are a liar and a sniveling prick. A limp one at that. What you’ve posted below is beyond insane and the last comment regarding your
“rumor” is so stupid that hopefully everyone here will shun you as the jerk you really are. I knew Glen back in his days as a Manassas City Police Officer and I dare you to show one iota of evidence to back up your asinine comments.

Anonymous said on 1 Mar 2009 at 2:57 pm: Flag comment

I guess one man’s lazy big spender is another man’s honorable and well respected man.

This was just sent to me. Any Hill supporters (or anybody else) know anything about this?

Glendell Hill is a liar and a cheater.

Facts: He was fired from the Manassas City Police in 1983 because of the Hoffman scandal. He was caught by the Manassas Police several times for drunk driving and for drinking beer under the bleachers at a Osbourn High School football game. He went 6 years without paying his taxes. His first wife divorced him because of adultery.

One rumor that I cannot confirm is that he was a suspect or a person of knowledge in the Trooper John Bowman murder.

Seriously? Cm’on man. At the very least change your user name to Coward. Glen Hill is a good man. I remember when my father supported him during his initial run for Sheriff, a letter was sent to my house that was an anonymous letter addressed to my father. The brainiac who sent the letter was a racist rambling moron. The spelling and grammar was on a 6th grade level. You see who I am. Show yourself or just shut up.

Why would Anonymous want to disclose his/her real name? Because
he/she doesn’t want to live in fear for their or their families lives. When
you dig into the big dogs backgrounds, watch out! Strange things happen
to people who spread the truth. I wouldn’t call Anonymous a coward,
Chris. So now we know who you are….big deal. Dave Mabie’s son.
Big deal. You must be very proud of your old man for showing up on his
job a couple of times a month, and collecting that nice big pay check from
the taxpayers. So, he supported Hill. Have you ever heard that “Birds of
a feather stick together”?

It would appear that Fotis is gearing up for another run at the Sheriff’s office…his supporters are once more crawling out from under their rocks. Their previous tactics are showing, such as repeating unfounded and unprovable accusations over and over again, hoping that they will gain a life of their own if repeated often enough. Then there’s the matter of attacking people, without reason and out of context, if they are in any way supportive of Glen Hill and the job he is doing/has done. What I find most telling is that, apparently, Fotis started this off himself as “Anonymous,” and has most certainly not denied that identification.

It should be noted that Fotis’ cohorts are primarily from outside of our county, such as Ted Deeds (Fotis’ employee and ignorant mouthpiece at LEAA, who managed to piss off everybody around here under multiple pseudonyms)…he can’t get much traction here. Aside from the fact that Fotis’ tactics are extremely flawed, he’s rather stupid as well…won’t HE be embarrassed if Glen has decided not to run again. Of course, what would be even WORSE for Fotis is if these tactics convince Glen to go again, just to make sure that some idiot like Fotis doesn’t get his hands on the place that has been Glen’s home for most of his adult life. Believe me, a Fotis candidacy happens over my dead body (remember that, if anything happens to me folks).

Based on Glendell’s record, it looks like he has been retired for years. He is one of thoes do-nothing big spending Democrats that run on a Republican ticket that are just dead wood in the Republican Party and we need to clean out the big spending dead wood.

AWCheney, I would love to provide any help needed with the future campaign of the Honorable Glen Hill. Please let me know, you can get my email adress from Greg. And by the way, I believe Mr. Fotis and the other asinine rumor spreaders are both fools and idiots.

I ran into Jim Fotis at the County Convention this morning, and it would appear that I owe him an apology. It would seem that this “Anonymous” fool was, in fact, not he but, by not denying that identity, was determined to imply that the libelous statements being made were coming from Mr. Fotis (reinforced by the language of a several statements that he made). That is truly foul behavior and, if it emanated from a Fotis supporter, I hope that this person’s future commentary will be moderated by either Greg or Jim himself henceforth.

I believe Mr. Fotis in his denial because he informed me that he has endorsed Glen Hill in his future re-election campaign(s) for Sheriff and has personally assured Glen of 100% support and assistance in any future runs…and he gave me permission to say so publicly, including on this forum. Now perhaps his venal supporters (such as that Fairfax County interloper Ted Deeds, under his multiple pseudonyms, who created so many problems on this blog previously) will cease libeling a fine man, and the Sheriff of Prince William County.