JD vows to make Pakistan a Taliban state

School kids brought to rally from Faisalabad on pretence of field trip for science exhibition. PHOTO: AFP

LAHORE:

Jamaatud Dawa (JD) has vowed to convert Pakistan into a Taliban state and to train young people to wage jihad against America and India, in the latest rally by the outlawed group here in the city.

JD activists as well as school children as young as 10 from various districts were brought to the Lahore Press Club in buses and vans for the ‘Talaba Jamaatud Dawa’ (Jamaatud Dawa Students) protest against the Nato attack that killed 24 Pakistani soldiers.

Students aged 10 to 15 from Jhumra Sandal Islamic School, Faisalabad, and Tameer-i-Seerat Model School Sharaqpur, Sheikhupura, said that they had thought they were going to a science exhibition and that’s what they had told their parents.

One student from Sandal Islamic School gave this correspondent a form titled ‘Field Trip Permission’ that was signed by his mother. “Dear Parent or Guardian,” it reads. “Your child is going on a field trip. Please read the information at the top of this form, then sign and return the permission slip at the bottom of this form.” It goes on to say that the students would be taken to a science exhibition at Al-Mizan School, Faisalabad, and they would be back by 3pm. The protest did not end till 4:20 pm, when the participants got back in the vans and buses and drove to Nasser Bagh.

Speeches

Addressing the rally at the Press Club, JD leader Maulana Ameer Hamza said the army chief should know that he had the full support of the JD, which would turn its followers into skilled fighters. “JD will make all of its fighters into Taliban. There will be Taliban in Punjab University, in Government College, in Agriculture University Faisalabad,” he said.

Hamza demanded that the government must kick the Americans out of not just Shamsi airbase, but Shahbaz airbase as well, otherwise the JD would do so itself.

JD leader Hafiz Abdul Rehman Makki said Allah wanted them to get revenge from Christians and Americans. “We will kill Americans,” he said, adding that JD had trained hundreds of thousands of people for jihad.

He said the attack on the Pakistani check posts was intentional and an act of war against Pakistan.

He said it was the 32nd attack by US forces on Pakistan. “If the government does not get revenge from the US, we will,” he said.

He said that the United Arab Emirates should not have asked Pakistan to reconsider its decision to kick the Americans out of Shamsi.

Makki said it is 32nd attack of US forces on Pakistan and Pakistan should come out of war against terrorism. He accused the media of spreading propaganda against Islam and jihad and in favour of the United States.

JD leader Hafiz Saifullah Mansoor said they would kill 100 Americans for every Muslim killed. “Thousands of fighters are ready and waiting for a call from our leader Hafiz Saeed,” he said.

Abdullah Gul, son of former ISI chief Gen (retired) Hameed Gul, said it was time to “complete the revolution”. He said the people of Pakistan aspired to wage jihad and it was time to take up the sword,” he said. Jamaat-i-Islami Lahore Ameer Ameerul Azeem said Nato forces had reminded them all of the many wounds the country has suffered at the hands of America. He said Nato leaders were lying when they said the attacks were unintentional.

Absolutely disgusting, I consider myself a humanitarian, but such groups should be summarily executed. There mindset is warped and completely tainted. Innocent children have been brainwashed but are now unsalvageable. The government should crack down on such groups, giving a terrible name to Islam and Pakistan.

This is not my religion, this is not my country. I launch a jihad against you.

“Jamaatud Dawa (JD) has vowed to convert Pakistan into a Taliban state and to train young people to wage jihad against America and India”

According o Pakistani leaders however Jamaat Ud Dawa is a charitable organization that has NOTHING to do with jehad. This is why apparently no evidence exists of their training camps or their hate speeches to prosecute Hafiz Saeed. When these people can openly run jehadi training camps, and give public hate speeches against India, how can Pakistan claim that these are non-state actors? Then people in Pakistan wonder why their contry has such poor credibility and bad reputation.

“JD leader Hafiz Saifullah Mansoor said they would kill 100 Americans for every Muslim killed. “Thousands of fighters are ready and waiting for a call from our leader Hafiz Saeed,” he said”.

Yep – thisi is a charity organization

“One student from Sandal Islamic School gave this correspondent a form titled ‘Field Trip Permission’ that was signed by his mother. “Dear Parent or Guardian,” it reads. “Your child is going on a field trip. Please read the information at the top of this form, then sign and return the permission slip at the bottom of this form.” It goes on to say that the students would be taken to a science exhibition at Al-Mizan School, Faisalabad, and they would be back by 3pm”

These so -called Islamic charity is teaching that teachers should like to the children they teach and their parents. Bringing a bad name to Islam.

Why not send all these extremists and jihadis across the border into Afghanistan and let them have their battle with America. That way both enemies can kill each other off and less to deal with for Pakistan.

Please refrain from talking about Jihad and other things that you do not know anything about. Those people who think that we are living in Lala Land and the USA is just trying to curb “terrorists” and promote “democracy”, should go and do a bit of research behind their real motives. STOP talking about things that you don’t know anything about. If you think that being “moderate, Peace Loving” muslims is the requirement of the day and you think that if we’d be peaceful and do not respond to the US/Israel aggression, then wait and watch. People like you would be eating your words soon.

USA/Israel is about to launch their war on Iran and then Pakistan. If you can’t do anything about it or rather don’t want to, then at least do not criticize those people who are.

very smart by ET with the heading “JuD vows to make Pakistan a Taliban state” they did not actually say that what they really meant was that they would support the army in fighting if they go on a war against the US or Nato. and people here i note are just commenting on reading the heading. @Acorn Guts they did fight against INDIA also in the wars in Kashmir so don’t underestimate them my friend.

This is called ‘stating the obvious’. Jihadi groups are a cancer, not strategic depth. Pakistanis, if you are happy that JuD/Lashkar conducted a “successful” mission in Mumbai, just think of the repercussions of it. You are responsible for the choices you make. You supported anti-Soviet jihadis, just because the Soviets were friends with India and enemy of your friend of that time, the US. You supported Taliban in the 90s. Both these instances backfired and are biting you since 9/11. Give it another 15 years, JuD will come back to bite. Don’t become Dr. Frankenstein.

There is no GOOD or BAD terrorist. Organization like JUD feed on hate – a far more potent emotion than love. Pakistan establishment and Punjab Government needs to move decisvely against these groups. They do not serve Islam and they do not serve Pakistan (two are mutually exclusive and should be kept that way).
We need to build up a new social and economic contract urgently and stop giving prominence to these groups.

How pity, mindless and silly approach they have towards solving national issues…

Sin they have committed by telling a lie with parents of the children whom they used as “manifestation of public ire against American hegemony” is reprehensible…

It is true they are widespread and their activities are ubiquitous across the country even in prestigious institutions of Pakistan like UET Lahore. Who supports them and allows them to carry their activities on… Recommend

Pathetic!! We all know how America & the world will retaliate to this warning!
We are all muslims and understand our right to safeguard Islam, but that does not mean that we forget everything else that makes us a Muslim. To forgive is better than taking revenge! Most of you will say why forgive and how many times shall we forgive the killings of Muslims. I have no answer to that but please dont act like emotional fools!! Our decision makers need to think strategically and decide what they want from this state!
For everyone else who wants to do Jihad, you should start Jihad by eliminating the evil in u first! Then your family! then your friends! then your society and lastly try to go outside Pakistan for jihad!

Rubbish article.just look at the picture ,u can see only one child all others are elders and on play cards it is written thar from “MUTHIDA QABAIL PARTY”(joint tribal party) not from JD. absolutely yellow journalism.

@Freeman:
Thank you for giving others your good advice … But please tell me if you ever fall sick and your neighbor asks you to go to doctor do you tell him off and say why don’t you treat your ills ? or do you instead heed the advice? Recommend

@Cipherman: You are naive my friend. These fanatics will always find an issue to rally around. No Kashmir? No Israel? No USA? Time to start killing to create a caliphate! For them, blood lust is divinely inspired.

My sincere requests to the Indians present in the discussion please mind your own business and mind your own country. India has been the root of all terrorism in Kashmir, Kerala, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Nagaland, Khalistan. Indian government has annexed territories like Goa in the past.

We know that Indians have nothing better to do than watch bollywood movies and criticize Pakistan for nothing. Its high time you do something about your own country for change. As for Pakistan, it would always be there to be the main hurdle in India’s plans for South Asian hegemony.

And for those secular minded, “enlightened” “democratic” Pakistanis, you would not mind having JUD fight for you when US invades Pakistan. If you doubt that it would ever attack Pakistan, then I suggest you go to Disneyland.

Pakistan should take their challenge more seriously as they have many sympathisers in security forces as well. As far as India is concerned, this outfit is not a threat yet unless they prevail over Pak military which is a unlikely scenario as on date.

I dont like the activities of America within the last ten years , that does not mean that Pakistan should submit itlsef to Taliban , its nothing but an act of Foolishness If we do so . Moreover , these people are saying we will kill Christians , dont they know that ALLAH says the closest to Muslims arre the Christians & that ALLAH loves all peacefull people , so why are they targetting all the Christians. These terrorist minded people will destroy us , I hope Pakistanis dont support them at all.
May ALLAH bless Pakistan
Pakistan Zindabad

Vienna,November 30,2011
I had read elsewhere Jamaatud Dawa in a slightly added name
invited the friendly fire from the American and NATO forces on
the Durand Line.Now it is crazy to hear and read about the
new birth of Talaba Jamatud Dawa with faked permission of
the parents.I hope Pakistan does not play into the hands of
saitan on whom they throw stones at Makkah when the make
pilgrimage there.
Taravadu Taranga Trust for Media Monitoring TTTMM India
–Kulamarva Baalakrishna

I dont like JD and it’s approach towards anything but….it’s just that why don’t you take a look at kids brought to PML-N or PTI jalsaaa…

I hope you get what I am trying to say:
‘It’s in our nature, our geographical and cultural way to tell our kids what they want and where they should go and who should they get married to…and most importantly WHAT PROFESSION to choose!’

Manipulation of a kid’s mind, it’s not just JD it’s everywhere…it’s even in your and my household!

So if JD is not going to change any kid’s life but their own or some fool’s who thinks they are “the good guys”.

Try not making a sensational article out of something that’s not surely gonna turn Pakistan to any state worse as compared to the condition in which we already are!

Sorry to read so many comments against the rally/speech. But the ground reality is that JD has recorded a peaceful protest against the NATO attacks which claimed lives of 24 young army men. And there WORDS ” 100 Americans against 01 Muslim’ are only CONTROLLED reaction against the ACT ” 24 young army men against ZERO American life”. SO I appeal you to support such peaceful protests rather raise voice against them.

@Furqan: “they did fight against INDIA also in the wars in Kashmir so don’t underestimate them my friend”

They claim only LeT fought in Kashmir and JuD has nothing to do with LeT and it is only a charity organization. If they think that what they are doing is correct, why does their leader need to lie about it?

@Cipherman: “All problems points to Kashmir. Lets get back to basics; solve the Kashmir problem first which is the root cause of all evil. All these groups will die down when there is no major issue left”.

The only Kashmir solution that people like you would accept is if India hands over Jammu and Kashmir to Pakistan. Well India does not plan to do it. Now how will you ‘solve this problem? You attacked India in 1965 – did not work. You sent terrorists like JuD and JeM to India through the 1990s who killed thousands of Indian Muslims and Hindus – did not work. You sent your soldiers disguised as jihadis in Kargill – did not work. So what are you going to do now?

Not very promising is it! All those delusional statements, tell you what, when enemy real or imaginary will not be around, these psycho terrorists will start butchering innocents on unprecedented scale, not saying that they are not doing terror business everyday at the moment, remember what so called pious Mujahadeen did to each other in Afghanistan, after the Soviet withdrawl, decimated it to stone age.

It’s sad that Express Tribune chose to not publish my post where I merely suggested that the many of the arguments against LeT/Taliban/Hamid Gul as made here did not seem very tenable. Would modern liberal Muslims gain much by opposing Taliban but keeping their attitude toward opposing points of view?

very smart by ET with the heading “JuD vows to make Pakistan a Taliban state” they did not actually say that what they really meant was that they would support the army in fighting if they go on a war against the US or Nato.

Maybe you should read the content of the article instead of disingenuously rationalizing it to suit your own meaning and sympathizing…enough with the twisted excuses and deceptions for extremist criminal Kharjites.

That quote is directly taken from Ameer Hamza himself. They SAID and MEANT EXACTLY that.

While they claim to back the army, it also clearly has contradictory implications for the army’s image considering how they believe the army accepts Taliban type support, when our army is supposedly to be at war with them…

Addressing the rally at the Press Club, JD leader Maulana Ameer Hamza said the army chief should know that he had the full support of the JD, which would turn its followers into skilled fighters. “JD will make all of its fighters into Taliban. There will be Taliban in Punjab University, in Government College, in Agriculture University Faisalabad,” he said.

@ahmed mukhtar:“if taliban vanishes from pakistan i have about 95 surity that American have not any sound issuse to intervene in our country matters”
Did America even give a damn about Taliban before Taliban refused to surrender that Sheikh-turned-fishfood who gave the go-ahead to 9/11 carnage? It is very convenient for Muslims to declare themselves victims after they have victimized others!

“None of these cowards have the heart to go an fight in Afghanistan .. pathetic excuse for humans.”

Ain’t that the truth! These cowards live comfortably in their air-conditioned palaces with their own children and family safely living or studying in western countries. While they won’t put their own lives or their children’s at risk doing this Jihad they preach, they brainwash poor and illiterate youngsters to go die in Afghanistan or Kashmir. What hypocrites!!Recommend

@freeman….ur sick…pathetic, islamist terrorist.this is the main reason.why u ppl are seen as terrorist around the world. And all those who think kashmir is the root of all the prob,guys just get over it. even if kashmir is solved ur army will still find another cause to fight with india.this is the way they want to keep control on the nation. U want to know the real prob the real prob is pak army and its nuclear weapon. Pak army is hidding terrorist under nuclear umbrella. Not for long..wait and watch US and india will wipe out pak from the world map….ha aha

@QAisar gondal:
Per your posting “.just look at the picture ,u can see only one child all others are elders”. Please note that this “one” picture does not show every single person at this protest! If available, a video of same protest might give you more information as to the number of children there before you disagree with the writers!

I had commented on ET about an year back that LeT/JuD, JeM, LeJ etc being patronised were not the friends of the state but their sole objective was to rule the country one day by enforcing Shariat laws. In the same comments I had predicted that TTP shall be joined by these outfits with this common agenda in their mind and would jointly wage a war against the state in the near future which appears to be on the cards now. Many leading defence analysts and leaders the world over had conveyed similar views but the same were totally ignored by the leading establishments in Pakistan who thought it otherwise that these oufits would remain under their control for ever and serve as tools for political purposes against its neighbours. The cat is now out of the bag and I sincerely hope that Pakistan would now review its decades old policy on these terrorists groups, treat this threat most seriously and take appropriate action against these outfis, before it is too late.

Humans suffer from collective Insanity and Mania! They have created walls of funny and complicated religious beliefs, divided themselves in nationalities, run day and night after money, raised huge killer armies and with bliss and devotion kill each other!

A predator kills only when hungry, the man on the other hand needs pseudo justifications for his brutal and cruel killings and murders. So is the blood-soaked history of mankind and so is the world of today…….what shall be the future? According to Albert Einstein, the 4Th world war shall be fought with stones and sticks!

Assalam-o-Allaikum Warahmatullah.Here JD is making the biggest committed mistake by using absolutely wrongful word “Taliban state”.The real,true and exact words JD has to use that Pakistan has be made a practical and real welfare Islamic state according to the true and exact teachings of Quran and Sunnah not Taliban state.

This is no news. Anyone who is following the growth of Jihad industry in Pakistan over the last 30 years can vouch for the truth of this statement. In a way Pakistan HAS become such a state already. Just look at what is happening in this country. So lets wait for their coming . Some food for thought for Imran Khan.

Obviously this is just rhetoric.. they can do no such thing.. its just them venting because they can’t do much about the soldiers killed by NATO/US.. except to express their hate for the US (They are hated world-over, not just in Pakistan!) Read stuff apart from ET and you’ll soon realize!… So this demonstration is no biggie.. as we see red necks in the US slam slogans against Blacks and well anyone who’s not white like them! The majority of Pakistani’s don’t want to kill any American, let alone kill!…they just want US out of their country and for them to stop meddling with our governments! Truth hurts the Americans.. if you want to really live, then do so elsewhere (preferably don’t sleep with our neighbors as this scares us a little too!)..SO this is the basic jist of such demonstrations!Recommend

I am really worried about that our innocent children had been used in the hands of terrorists anti human forces. Communist Party of Pakistan extremely condemned the fraudulent act of the Lashkar e tayyaba.