I'm not sure why but it's absolutely hilarious to see the people who slam liberals, leftists etc... constantly (!) are always whining about liberal
bullies. We're all guilty from time to time, knock off the doe eyes conservatives.

originally posted by: windword
... If Obama proposed the same religion registry as Trump every conservative in the country would call it what it is -- creeping fascism.
Steve Deace
...

LOL... Obama has actually done something like that already but to Americans who difer in opinion to the Obama administration and to leftwing policy.
The DHS "rightwing extremism" stated that LEAs have to consider Americans who believe in the right of all Americans to own arms, Americans who don't
agree with any of Obama's legislations (immigration ect) Americans concerned with jobs being sent to China, etc, and all military veterans as
"possible extremists/possible terrorists". All of this based mainly on political ideology that differs from leftwing ideology... Of course, since
this part would not affect the left, mum's the word from the left...

...
The Report specifically mentions the following political beliefs that law enforcement should use to determine whether someone is a “rightwing
extremist”:

Opposes abortion
Opposes restrictions on firearms
Opposes lax immigration
Opposes the policies of President Obama regarding immigration, citizenship, and the expansion of social programs
Opposes continuation of free trade agreements
Opposes same-sex marriage
Has paranoia of foreign regimes
Fear of Communist regimes
Opposes one world government
Bemoans the decline of U.S. stature in the world.
Upset with loss of U.S. manufacturing jobs to China and India
. . . and the list goes on
...

Neither Hillary Clinton, nor Sanders would change these policies, they want to make it even worse.

Clinton already stated that a gun confiscation like the one in Australia is not out of the question. They call it a buyback but it is "forceful".
They only use euphemism to try to hide the fact that it will be a forceful gun confiscation.

Sanders wrote a paper in the NYT about some of the things he would do if elected President. He stated one of the things he wold do is give himself
the power to nominate who the Senate can choose from to run the Federal Reserve, giving himself pretty much the power over not only the executive
branch but the legislative branch as well. If he had this power, he would only nominate people who align with his own political views and who will
owe him such a big favor"...

Bernie Sanders: To Rein In Wall Street, Fix the Fed

By BERNIE SANDERS DEC. 23, 2015
...
If I were elected president, the foxes would no longer guard the henhouse. To ensure the safety and soundness of our banking system, we need to
fundamentally restructure the Fed’s governance system to eliminate conflicts of interest. Board members should be nominated by the president and
chosen by the Senate. Banking industry executives must no longer be allowed to serve on the Fed’s boards and to handpick its members and staff.
Board positions should instead include representatives from all walks of life — including labor, consumers, homeowners, urban residents, farmers and
small businesses.
...

In an interview in which he got mad at the interviewer he proclaimed, not once, but twice that he also wants to ban all guns in the United States.

Sanders is a social democrat, and as such...

Social democracy, political ideology that advocates a peaceful, evolutionary transition of society from capitalism to socialism using
established political processes. Based on 19th-century socialism and the tenets of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, social democracy shares
common ideological roots with communism but eschews its militancy and totalitarianism. Social democracy was originally known as revisionism because
it represented a change in basic Marxist doctrine, primarily in the former’s repudiation of the use of revolution to establish a socialist
society.
...

But his advocates claim he is neither socialist nor Marxist... Really?... he stated he will give himself the power over two branches of government out
of three that exist in the United States, and among other things that he wants to ban all guns in the U.S... he has stated this in his own
words...

But his advocates proclaim he is not...

Venezuela also had "a social democracy" implemented, in which an avowed socialist gave himself power over all government. Venezuela is one of the
latest true examples of "socialism of the 21st century" which is what Sanders wants to implement in the U.S.

Like always, socialism/communism "seems to sound good on paper" but it never is. It gives complete control over the government, and economy to one
very small group, or one person... No oversight from any other government agency, or anyone else...

edit on 8-5-2016 by ElectricUniverse because: add and correct comment.

originally posted by: Phage
The claim is from a survey which found that to be the case, is it not?

But I'm not sure it's derogatory to say that people (and not just Republicans) are drawn to Trump because of his authoritarian message. Or, more
accurately, it is people who are drawn to authoritarianism are drawn to Trump.

A survey run by the left, and controlled by the left... You mean like that other paper Obama addressed claiming that a survey found that a large
percentage of Americans in the NRA back his views on guns?... and then we found only a few people in that survey were part of the NRA?... And the
survey was done to what was it? like 2,000 people in total and a small percentage were members of the NRA?...

I did not say that. You posted quite the long-winded response to something I've never said. In fact, I even included others outside of Trump
supporters.

No, really? do I need to remind you again of what you wrote in your own thread?...

originally posted by: introvert
... While I have been one to admit that I believe Trump appeals to the lowest common denominators among us, it appears that I was incorrect in that
what really draws people to Trump is the authoritarian nature of his message. Authoritarian messages do not just appeal to Republicans, as is
stated in the article, but it does seem as though they have the data to suggest authoritarians are moving further to the Right.
...

To not be referring to Americans who back Trump ,you mentioned Trump and the people he draws in twice, according to your view and a claim from a left
wing source...Of course, you and the "leftwing article" you linked to claim that "authoritarians are moving to the right"... Really?... It's the
left who want to heavy restrict and even ban all legal firearms, and the ability of people to own legal firearms... It is the left that want to give
the government more control over people's lives, as long as they are Americans who lean to the right politically, or are legal residents. There are
laws already that deal with illegal immigration, but the Obama administration itself for example has even given orders to ICE and other government
agencies to allow more illegal immigrants in.

A few Federal employees have testified before Congress to state the Obama administration has given ICE, and other government agencies orders to not
detain illegal immigrants even if they are criminals, just as long as they "claim" to be minors to be allowed in the United States without them having
to prove that they are minors.

Thank you, Chairmen Grassley and Ranking Member Leahy, for the opportunity to testify today on the Obama administration’s criminal alien removal
policies. There can be no doubt that immigration enforcement is in a state of collapse. Despite a purported emphasis on “smarter” enforcement
that prioritizes the removal of criminal aliens, the number of removals of criminal aliens has fallen to less than half the level reached in 2010,
despite the fact that immigration officers have developed the resources and systems to identify more criminal aliens than ever before.Because of policies implemented by the Obama administration, the vast majority of illegal aliens – including many criminal aliens -- residing
in the interior of the country face no threat of deportation, regardless of when or how they arrived, or if they have been deported before. Many
deportable aliens who are encountered and apprehended by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers are ignored or released, even if they have
come to ICE’s attention after being arrested by local authorities.
... In addition, there were 194,791 convicted criminals awaiting the outcome of deportation proceedings
. Of these, 184,948 were at large in the United States, released by ICE.

5

Gang Arrests Have Plummeted.

Although the President has said that gang members are a high priority for enforcement, just as with criminal aliens in general, the number of
gang arrests by Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) agents has declined considerably in recent years. According to ICE records, in 2014, ICE
arrested 1,571 gang members, of which 1,514 were in the United States and 57 were abroad. This is less than half the number of gang arrests by ICE made in 2013, and the lowest number since 2005, when ICE first launched its anti-gang
programs, known as Operation Community Shield. This steep drop in arrests does not indicate that there are fewer deportable gang members here, but that ICE is devoting fewer resources to the
problem, and that the administration’s restrictions on interior deportations have affected the agents’ ability to target gang
members for removal.
...

Both Hillary Clinton and Sanders would not address illegal immigration, even on illegal criminals. They would continue, and even worsen Obama's
legacy. Despite the fact that more criminal illegal aliens are committing more crimes, including crimes with guns acquired illegally. But Obama and
many others in the left immediately proclaim that what has to be done is to impose more restrictions on legal firearm ownership... Never mind
that the Obama administration for example has run programs to allow Mexican drug cartels to get firearms from the U.S. and ordered firearm vendors to
let "straw purchases of firearms" because that's how the Mexican drug cartel has been buying legal guns in the U.S. through "these straw purchasers"
were buying legal guns for the Mexican drug cartels, and U.S. authorities allowed these firearms to be moved into Mexico. To then claim that Mexican
drug cartel having legal firearms purchased within the United States occurred because of American lax gun laws... When it was under the Obama
administration, and with the consent of the Obama administration that these firearms be allowed to be purchased by straw buyers, and to allow them to
move those "legally bought firearms into Mexico to arm the Mexican drug cartel". Then we learned that Fast and Furious was just one of what appears
to be several programs ran under President Obama's administration to allow straw purchasers, and the Mexican drug cartel to get legal firearms...

If you look on youtube, or on google for "criminal illegal aliens who have shot, and killed Americans", you will find plenty of examples of this
occurring, but instead the Obama administration, alongside Bernie Sanders, the Clintons and some others (the elites) want to go "after legal guns" and
to restrict American's and legal residents the right to own and bear arms...

And people want to claim Trump is the authoritarian?... That's fresh...

edit on 8-5-2016 by ElectricUniverse because: add and correct comment.

Oh, you mean to the article in which ONE MAN says he ran a survey of 1,800 people, which he "claims" :

...
My finding is the result of a national poll I conducted in the last five days of December under the auspices of the University of Massachusetts,
Amherst, sampling 1,800 registered voters across the country and the political spectrum. Running a standard statistical analysis, I found that
education, income, gender, age, ideology and religiosity had no significant bearing on a Republican voter’s preferred candidate. Only two of the
variables I looked at were statistically significant: authoritarianism, followed by fear of terrorism, though the former was far more significant than
the latter.
...
Matthew MacWilliams is founder of MacWilliams Sanders, a political communications firms, and a Ph.D. candidate in political science at the University
of Massachusetts, Amherst, where he is writing his dissertation about authoritarianism.

Humm, "founder of MacWilliams Sanders, a political communications firms...

Let's see...

... For almost 20 years, MacWilliams Sanders Communication has worked with progressive organizations, labor unions, Democratic candidates, foundations
and issue campaigns. We work with our clients to develop innovative strategies that engage people, produce media that moves people, and place
advertising that connects with people. The result: effective communications that help our clients win.
...

originally posted by: Phage
Yes, that would be the article in the post to which I refer you referred to.

Yeah...did you completely ignore the fact that the author of that claim is the owner of a political communications firm who works with
progressives, democrats, etc, and whose purpose is to make media that moves people and helps his clients win?...

Yeah Phage... Very "believable source" when he states clearly the purpose of his political firm in his website...

So, it seems you were implying you read it, and asked if NoCorruptionAllowed read it, then you mention that same "survey" to me as if it has merit,
now you are asking me why I am under the impression you support it?... LOL... Get the hell out of here. All you have been doing is derail the
thread, and go in circles with your bs.

So, it seems you were implying you read it, and asked if NoCorruptionAllowed read it, then you mention that same "survey" to me as if it has
merit, now you are asking me why I am under the impression you support it?.

I did read it. I did ask if NoCorruption had read it. How did I
suggest the validity of the survey (or lack thereof)? It is you who introduced the survey to this thread.

To which I responded both Hillary and Sanders are candidates the elites want...

So what? Your beef isn't with me, it's with the conservative Republicans that support the "Never Trump" movement.

Is this thread about your pro-Trump/anti Democrat proselytization, or is it about the bad behavior of anti-Trump protesters?

All I'm trying to say is that not all anti-Trump enthusiasts are leftist, liberal atheists. Many are right wing conservative Christians. As a matter
fact, I would say most, because the Democrats, ie Hillary, want Trump to win the nomination, because they think he's easy to beat, right or wrong.
We'll see.

Well, I saw some verbal attacks in the video, not physical. but don't know what he did to bring on those verbal attacks. I doubt it was just a
button.

Also, it isn't just liberals that are anti-Trump. The "Never Trump: movement are conservative Republicans.

oh right the shoes on the other foot now, if its a conservative two truck driver the tow guy is evil for leaving the lady without a tow but now we got
a bunch of yahoos taunting a guy in a wheel chair obviously more disabled than that woman and you are making excuses saying it must be his fault...
priceless!!!!

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