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Prove to me that the UK economy hasn't benefited far more than £8.9bn due to businesses and consumers having tariff free access to the world's largest trading bloc.

You won't because you can't.

The economy might have benefited, but a growing economy and rising GDP DOES NOT raise the wages and family incomes of the poorest in society. It does raise the salaries and bonuses of the top CEO's. Making the economy bigger has certainly made the rich much much richer, while the poor have scarcely benefited in forty years.

Things haven't got better for the poor by having 'tarrif free access to the world's largest trading bloc' either.

Increasing inequality is a direct result of our EU membership. The globalisation of the production and labour markets, mass immigration of low skilled workers, declining unionisation are all caused by inbuilt market induced inequality. The markets, of course, are sacrosanct to the EU. The EU was created and exists to service their needs.

EU inspired economic growth does in fact do little to reduce poverty and inequality.

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I've asked this question why would they have to be any tariffs between the EU & UK it would surely be beneficial for both sides to have none.

Only if we adhere to EU standards and commit to a level playing field just like any other country that wants to trade with the EU

If like China a country tries to dump goods then expect tariffs. If you don’t meet the standards your good won’t get past the dockyard.

These are fundamental basic facts.

If on the other hand you don’t want to trade in unfair ways, and are happy to meet the standards then happy days.

Your lesson ends there. It couldn’t be simpler

1 hour ago, Car Boot said:

The economy might have benefited, but a growing economy and rising GDP DOES NOT raise the wages and family incomes of the poorest in society. It does raise the salaries and bonuses of the top CEO's. Making the economy bigger has certainly made the rich much much richer, while the poor have scarcely benefited in forty years.

Things haven't got better for the poor by having 'tarrif free access to the world's largest trading bloc' either.

Increasing inequality is a direct result of our EU membership. The globalisation of the production and labour markets, mass immigration of low skilled workers, declining unionisation are all caused by inbuilt market induced inequality. The markets, of course, are sacrosanct to the EU. The EU was created and exists to service their needs.

EU inspired economic growth does in fact do little to reduce poverty and inequality.

The solution is not to leave the EU.

The solution is to have a more caring government.

Leaving the EU offers no guarantee of that happening.

Your lesson ends there

Edited December 24, 2018 by I1L2T3

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The economy might have benefited, but a growing economy and rising GDP DOES NOT raise the wages and family incomes of the poorest in society. It does raise the salaries and bonuses of the top CEO's. Making the economy bigger has certainly made the rich much much richer, while the poor have scarcely benefited in forty years.

Things haven't got better for the poor by having 'tarrif free access to the world's largest trading bloc' either.

Increasing inequality is a direct result of our EU membership. The globalisation of the production and labour markets, mass immigration of low skilled workers, declining unionisation are all caused by inbuilt market induced inequality. The markets, of course, are sacrosanct to the EU. The EU was created and exists to service their needs.

EU inspired economic growth does in fact do little to reduce poverty and inequality.

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It may have escaped your notice but up until the UK leaves we are still part of the EU so the standards are also ours.

You surpass yourself Peter, this is an amazing realisation of the fact that the UK can not only set its own standards, but also that the EU standards that have been adopted make a difference. Merry Christmas to you and your awakening to facts.