This wasn't Todd Haley's fault most likely. Position coaches responsible for getting appropriate personnel on the field - would suspect TE coach responsible here but I don't know what coaches handle jumbo package personnel.

It's Haley's fault if he changed his mind late about the playcall.

Is that the case or are you making up a possible explanation?

My recollection of other's reports is that Ben's explanation to Finney occurred in the huddle, which makes it seem like the play got in just fine.

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This wasn't Todd Haley's fault most likely. Position coaches responsible for getting appropriate personnel on the field - would suspect TE coach responsible here but I don't know what coaches handle jumbo package personnel.

That's a reasonable explanation.

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This wasn't Todd Haley's fault most likely. Position coaches responsible for getting appropriate personnel on the field - would suspect TE coach responsible here but I don't know what coaches handle jumbo package personnel.

It's Haley's fault if he changed his mind late about the playcall.

Is that the case or are you making up a possible explanation?

My recollection of other's reports is that Ben's explanation to Finney occurred in the huddle, which makes it seem like the play got in just fine.

Finney said that the play clock was running when Ben told him about the play and what to do. I interpreted this to mean the personnel was already on the field when the play was called, meaning it was the OC who called a play for the wrong personnel on the field. Ben was quoted as saying "We called pass a pass play (sic)"... when he says we, that has generally meant the OC.

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But it’s your fault that you are kind of a stubborn jagoff that would argue with a fence post

Finney said that the play clock was running when Ben told him about the play and what to do. I interpreted this to mean the personnel was already on the field when the play was called, meaning it was the OC who called a play for the wrong personnel on the field. Ben was quoted as saying "We called pass a pass play (sic)"... when he says we, that has generally meant the OC.

You and I have both been around a lot of football - position coaches/players screw this up all the time (I know I did) especially when the guy in question (Finney) is not a normal contributor to that formation.

It is certainly possible that Haley didn't realize Finney was in the game, but I can't blame Todd for expecting his players/position coaches to do their jobs.

Perhaps my gripe is that I can't see how anyone can just throw their hands up and blame Haley for this anymore than they can blame Finney and/or Daniels. I get that Haley is not a favorite son here (and probably rightfully so) but I think data is being massaged to fit a narrative.

Finney said that the play clock was running when Ben told him about the play and what to do. I interpreted this to mean the personnel was already on the field when the play was called, meaning it was the OC who called a play for the wrong personnel on the field. Ben was quoted as saying "We called pass a pass play (sic)"... when he says we, that has generally meant the OC.

You and I have both been around a lot of football - position coaches/players screw this up all the time (I know I did) especially when the guy in question (Finney) is not a normal contributor to that formation.

It is certainly possible that Haley didn't realize Finney was in the game, but I can't blame Todd for expecting his players/position coaches to do their jobs.

Perhaps my gripe is that I can't see how anyone can just throw their hands up and blame Haley for this anymore than they can blame Finney and/or Daniels. I get that Haley is not a favorite son here (and probably rightfully so) but I think data is being massaged to fit a narrative.

I don't know either way, just sounded like the play was called while they were in the huddle. Of all the sins committed on a weekly basis, this is just about the least of them, anyway.

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But it’s your fault that you are kind of a stubborn jagoff that would argue with a fence post