To be honest I would really appreciate a full VGU for lb. I absolutely loathe the champion, considering the fact that she can halfhealth anyone who isnt a tank with a doran's ring, amp tome, and dark seal, which are all regular buys on leblanc, and get this: _She does it without electrocute._ A little ridiculous, don't you think?

This is interesting, but honestly I don't think riot would even be able to code this into the game. I think even though you can't tp into enemy base, that it's a little ridiculous, and adding a knockup on top of a root isn't a good idea to be honest. Too much cc.

I like these changes, I hate tahm with a burning passion and to be honest these would make him much more fair to play against, the only thing i would hate about tahm if these changes went through is the frequency of his stuns with Q. His stuns are ridiculous, even the slow on his Q is.

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When i say i love something i relay do love it ! i made a fast sketch for you base on what u made i hope u like it. i can make for you good guality splashart (grayscale) and 3d sculpture so you could apply it for next competition hopefuly she could get into game
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Thank you for your feedback :) I have given some thought to some of the things you have said and have tweaked some spells, completely changed the ultimate, however tried to maintain its theme :P
I'm glad you like my champion concept ^-^

I absolutely love the champion now. This is a champion i would definitely want to buy/play in game, and I'm glad my feedback helped! I think the new ultimate is much much better then the old one while still offering supportive value. I am working on a champion concept of my own, and would love your help/criticism/feedback! (I don't have much of it completed, just an idea, and a passive.)

Interesting concept, although I think her Q should be more like a zoe W, where she has a limited amount of time to use the selected ability, and can select multiple abilities per game. Her W in my opinion should be a different form of CC, maybe apply electrification? (The stun seems a bit too strong) Her E seems like something that wouldn't make it into the game, perhaps also make that apply electrification if the shield is triggered. Her damaging ult seems a lot like kennen's ultimate, and I think people wouldn't really be able to make use of the first application in a large fight. That would incline them to use the damage option and never heal anyone. I think it needs to be something more unique, she turns an area into the void for some time, and enemies get increasingly worse electrification while inside it for long periods, and allies get attack speed and movement speed? I personally like this champion concept a lot, and think it would be a really fun character to have in the game with some of the changes I mentioned.

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> So now this is a matter of you not liking Akali, and not a potential bug.
Is this a matter of you just preferring Akali, and not intended interaction with Urgot ult?
You're invisible, not immune. You just can't be targeted.. Abilities still detect you (hence Lb tether or Karma tether). It'd make sense a different tether would also be able to detect things about you. I bet even Morgana ult could be first cast while you're in the shroud... Since she can cast it on people like Shaco who are invisible.
I'm not sure I"m convinced lee sin can't recast Q either.
EDIT: Hey look https://youtu.be/xnpy5zDIE3I?t=387 morgana can. Why? You're invisible. How is it supposed to know where you are? Also https://youtu.be/xnpy5zDIE3I?t=733 you are 100% wrong about Lee Sin Q.
So yeah, I don't like Akali, and also I don't think it is a bug.

I know I was wrong about lee sin Q, but Yasuo's ultimate is a better example. He can't cast it while I'm in shroud, because it cannot select me as a target. Urgot ulti should behave the same way, where because I'm obscured, I shouldn't be able to be selected by his ultimate as a target.

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> I know, but in this situation he recast it early.
Anything to counter akali shroud in any form.... i'm way ok with.

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That makes more sense for Yas, though. Lee Q and Urgot R are abilities that you are already hit by. All the do is reactivate to get a second effect. Yas R doesn't work that way, so it makes sense for it to be different.
Urgot and Lee can reactivate those abilites on anyone, vision or no vision. It wouldn't be balanced for Akali to cancel out Urgot ult with a regular ability *after* he hits it. That would be more like Shroud cancelling Zoe's sleep bubble. It doesn't make sense.

I don't think I've ever seen an Urgot reactivate on a Fizz in his E, vision or not, and I think that Akali W should behave in the same manner, because of what the spell description states. Another example is Illaoi's E. When it hits, Akali is revealed, but still cannot be targeted for say, Illaoi's W, because of the special "Obscured" status, and I think Urgot's R should behave in the same manner where it cannot be reactivated. I'm fine with dying to it on the automatic reactivation at the end while in shroud, but not the manual reactivation.

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> I know, but in this situation he recast it early.
Define "early", cz the only way he can recast his R is when your health is under 25%.

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> But while Akali is in shroud she&#x27;s untargetable by anything but a skillshot, like the first part of lee sin Q, and not point and click spells, like the second part of lee sin Q. It&#x27;s specified in the description of her W that she &quot;cannot be selected by hostile spells and attacks, even when revealed.&quot;
the second part of an ability example urgot ultimate or lee sin q do not target on the follow though because they are technically tethered to the champion hit by said ability after meeting the requirement of landing said ability

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> the second part of an ability example urgot ultimate or lee sin q do not target on the follow though because they are technically tethered to the champion hit by said ability after meeting the requirement of landing said ability
And yet, it's shown that lee sin cannot activate his Q recast while Akali is obscured.

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> But while Akali is in shroud she&#x27;s untargetable by anything but a skillshot, like the first part of lee sin Q, and not point and click spells, like the second part of lee sin Q. It&#x27;s specified in the description of her W that she &quot;cannot be selected by hostile spells and attacks, even when revealed.&quot;
The thing is, she's not in the "untargetable" state.
Working as intended.

But while Akali is in shroud she's untargetable by anything but a skillshot, like the first part of lee sin Q, and not point and click spells, like the second part of lee sin Q. It's specified in the description of her W that she "cannot be selected by hostile spells and attacks, even when revealed."