Let's remember that a lot of what Holder's DOJ published in the wake of its grudging admission that it couldn't charge Officer Wilson w/ civil rights violations is based upon unsubstantiated allegations, at least some by apparent arrestees. Some of the emails smack of racism, although exactly why the use of the term "chimpanzee" is racist when applied to Obama but not, as it routinely was, to President GW Bush. And, just what's so bad about labeling Ferguson's lawbreakers as "personally irresponsible?" That, much more than supposed "economic disadvantage," is a key component of crime. For now, this looks like nothing more than another trumped up disparate impact case, where raw figures are switched with proportionate ones like the queen of hearts in 3-card monte.

No, based upon what I've seen so far, the evidence of fixed tickets and other illegal perks seems the worst misconduct here, and it's deserving of serious punishment, with a minimum of removal from office for all involved in it. Overall, however, I'm still wondering why MB's stepfather isn't being prosecuted for inciting the riots and arson he so clearly did when he urged his fellow "protesters" to "burn this [m-f-er] down!"

MGINSD saidLet's remember that a lot of what Holder's DOJ published in the wake of its grudging admission that it couldn't charge Officer Wilson w/ civil rights violations is based upon unsubstantiated allegations, at least some by apparent arrestees. Some of the emails smack of racism, although exactly why the use of the term "chimpanzee" is racist when applied to Obama but not, as it routinely was, to President GW Bush. And, just what's so bad about labeling Ferguson's lawbreakers as "personally irresponsible?" That, much more than supposed "economic disadvantage," is a key component of crime. For now, this looks like nothing more than another trumped up disparate impact case, where raw figures are switched with proportionate ones like the queen of hearts in 3-card monte.

No, based upon what I've seen so far, the evidence of fixed tickets and other illegal perks seems the worst misconduct here, and it's deserving of serious punishment, with a minimum of removal from office for all involved in it. Overall, however, I'm still wondering why MB's stepfather isn't being prosecuted for inciting the riots and arson he so clearly did when he urged his fellow "protesters" to "burn this [m-f-er] down!"

With Bush, "chimpanzee" references the metaphor of Cheney as the Hurdy-Gurdy man and GW his monkee. Chimpanzee is to Hurdy-Gurdy man what marionette is to puppet-master. Race is not part of the reference, and nobody ever refers to white people as monkeys in a racial context.

With Obama, "chimpanzee" is used the same as "man child". Both are not so subtle racist dog-whistles. Black people are often compared to monkeys by racists, long before either of these presidents were even born, let alone elected.

I think a headline that says that the Ferguson police "routinely discriminate" is pretty insufficient to what is being reported. For more detailed reports, read the linked articles. (There is some overlap in content between the two articles.)

And MB's stepdad will be prosecuted for inciting to riot and commit arson when??? Seeing him get away with it, and with Holder's incendiary report released to further fan the flames, the mob is now more encouraged than ever towards violence, with these shootings being the direct result.

For all the statistics bandied about in Holder's report, one I didn't see was the percentage of convicted criminals living in Ferguson, broken down by age, race, ethnicity, and all those other "socio-economic factors." Their relevance? To determine whether Ferguson is a "convict magnet," as some towns and cities are, which may bear upon the demonstrated willingness of many of its citizens - valid residency also needs to be determined - to engage in the violence and destruction they continue to.

No one is suggesting that. It is a horrible incident. The police that have chosen to work in Ferguson must be under considerable stress already. I would hope that after all the things that happened previously to this that the ones left are mostly there because they want to help fix the situation. There is no justification for what happened to these officers. Lets hope that the people of Ferguson verbally admonish these actions to the police.

Art_Deco said"Attack Of The Racist Apologists" Coming to a TV screen or online site near you!

It was only a matter of time...

Okay well known tacky fat ass bigot, please explain to everyone how the numbers I gave can be interpreted as "Attack Of The Racist Apologists" Otherwise this will be just one more example of your nasty unwarranted lie filled attacks on someone just because you don't like what they said.

But we all know the routine. I mean you've been doing this game so long everyone knows it.

".. just little bits of history repeating... and I've seen it before... and I'll see it again... yes I've seen it before... just little bits of history repeating.."

bobbobbob saidFerguson is below Missouri and National figures for blacks being stopped while driving. It's just one more example of them throwing out bullshit that sounds good until you check the numbers.

All I did was take Ferguson's numbers, and compare then to the first ones I could find online and KERPOW there it was.

None of which, however, means that the situation in Ferguson wasn't awful, or that there were not very good reasons why most of the residents seem to have felt abused and victimized for years.

bobbobbob saidFerguson is below Missouri and National figures for blacks being stopped while driving. It's just one more example of them throwing out bullshit that sounds good until you check the numbers.

All I did was take Ferguson's numbers, and compare then to the first ones I could find online and KERPOW there it was.

None of which, however, means that the situation in Ferguson wasn't awful, or that there were not very good reasons why most of the residents seem to have felt abused and victimized for years.

No sense trying to debate with the racists who always find a way to blame the Blacks for everything. And worst of all, the DOJ findings coming from a Black US Attorney General, appointed by a Black President!

You can just see the steam coming out their ears and their mouths foaming. So they play the "Let's Blame the Victims" game, while doing a little confusing slight of hand with the statistics.

Fortunately (or perhaps unfortunately for me personally) I'm old enough to remember these same tactics used against Black civil rights efforts in the 1960s. Same old playbook that racists & bigots have always used.

It's sorta like the game of chess - only so many moves available to players. After a while you've seen them all. And being called a "fat ass" repeatedly here by someone who's never met me (actually my ass is rather trim, one of my more attractive features, it's my belly that needs work), is akin to the chess move of overturning the entire board when you're losing the game.

Art_Deco saidNo sense trying to debate with the racists who always find a way to blame the Blacks for everything.

I wasn't debating.

I was away from this site for some time, apart from occasional visits. For some reason, I'm back and I'm posting again. Probably won't last.

But while some of the same people are here and going on along the same way, others are new to me or perhaps I simply don't remember them.

My exchanges with the poster in question have not felt like a debate to me. It may be that I'm missing something. Or not.

Then exchange "debate" for "converse". Still little sense to it. You won't get anywhere with these people. They think Ferguson Blacks have only themselves to blame for all their troubles and this unrest. Whites have nothing to do with it, and Whites are the real victims here.

Art_Deco saidThen exchange "debate" for "converse". Still little sense to it. You won't get anywhere with these people.

Then why do you post so constantly in response to them?

So far nothing that bobbobbob has posted in this thread has seemed to me necessarily to reflect the point of view that you are attributing to him. Maybe that is his point of view, but I am not making any assumptions based on what someone else tells me.

Art_Deco saidThen exchange "debate" for "converse". Still little sense to it. You won't get anywhere with these people.

Then why do you post so constantly in response to them?

Naturally my reply isn't to them. Their minds are fixed, immutable, incapable of change. Rather, my audience is the same audience as theirs: the impressionable US gay men who haven't yet formed an opinion.

That's why they're here: to disrupt & demoralize us, and recruit the gay community to join the US Right Wing cause, leading gays to act against their own best interests. You'll note that the worst of them rarely post about anything but Pro-Republican, anti-Democratic topics.

On a gay health & fitness site. How very curious! Whereas I and most guys here post on a multitude of subjects, not just politics. I post about health, bicycles, golf, sex, food, travel, a long list of topics.

Well, I and a few others here are gonna throw some obstacles in that Right Wing political path. They wanna subvert this site, as they have others, and some of us are gonna resist that. This is a site for gay men and gay issues, not for the US Republican Party and Right Wing issues.

bobbobbob saidFerguson is below Missouri and National figures for blacks being stopped while driving. It's just one more example of them throwing out bullshit that sounds good until you check the numbers.

All I did was take Ferguson's numbers, and compare then to the first ones I could find online and KERPOW there it was.

None of which, however, means that the situation in Ferguson wasn't awful, or that there were not very good reasons why most of the residents seem to have felt abused and victimized for years.

And where have you read that I said or even inferred the situation in Ferguson wasn't awful?

I simply pointed out that the "driving while black" accusations in Holder's report were contrived and misrepresented.

So was the allegation that Michael Brown was an innocent man gunned down by a rogue racist cop according to Holder's report, two independent forensics investigations, a grand jury, two independent autopsies and all witnesses except the one who was an accomplice with Michael Brown in shoplifting dope smoking materials from a convenience store and assaulting an employee.

Please do your beat and rationalize the burning and looting of businesses, ruining them and their own local economy over something that was all a load of lies?

I suppose you know about the St Louis black panthers who used a girlfriend's EBT card to pay for explosives to bomb Ferguson and the St Louis Arch? How can you rationalize that in reaction for an injustice that never occurred?

And since the fat ass bitter Diva of RJ didn't attempt to explain how anything I'd like to thank you for pointing that out to him. Be prepared for him to assault you next.

bobbobbob saidAnd since the fat ass bitter Diva of RJ didn't attempt to explain how anything I'd like to thank you for pointing that out to him. Be prepared for him to assault you next.

My ass is neither fat nor bitter. You guys each have your own slanderous theme against members who challenge you. southbeach1500 has spread the false story that I'm an alcoholic, and there was another guy here who routinely claimed I persecuted gay soldiers in the US Army. And yours, said repeatedly here, is that I have a fat ass.

You know, you're tempting me to post a pic of my bare ass here. Not something I would do otherwise, but if you'll post yours, I'll post mine. And RJers can judge for themselves if either of us has a fat ass. Agreed?

Maybe 3 pics: frontal, and 3/4 right and 3/4 left views. You game? And we'll see who wins the ass contest.

Art_Deco said Well, I and a few others here are gonna throw some obstacles in that Right Wing political path. They wanna subvert this site, as they have others, and some of us are gonna resist that. This is a site for gay men and gay issues, not for the US Republican Party and Right Wing issues.

If you perceive differences in opinion and presentation of facts that just don't fit within your myopic world view as an act of subversion then you are certifiably mentally incompetent.

You say "we" (whoever you imagine that to be) have subverted other sites.

Please name them you fast ass liar.

You're right, this site is for gay men and gay issues. So essentially what you are proposing to do sounds like a plot to deprive some gay men of their 1st amendment rights to freedom of expression in RJ just because you don't like what they have to say and don't like the facts they present. That sounds like something Stalin or Castro would do, doesn't it?

The more you run your vile mouth the more you more and more how much of an intolerant and irrational ridiculous man you are.

As for my mentions of you being a fat ass I am only using your own words on your profile for that conclusion. I see that you've "MIRACULOUSLY" lost 10 pounds overnight. I don't know whether to congratulate you or ask you to run that through the truth meter to see if your pants catch on fire.