I'd say that the main weakness of BJJ are that A) it's often cultish and B) most BJJ players suck at takedowns and prefer jumping to guard. I'd advise crosstraining, but I only know (and suck at) a little judo, so I can't comment much on this.

I guess the reason why I can't get out of any immobilization is lack of technique then, but I still can't get out of a wristlock so I guess I have a long way to go.

Getting out of a wristlock is pretty much dependent on not getting wrist locked. IF a technique is completed properly you're not going to get out of it -- there's no way to get unarmbarred, unchoked, unpunched.

If you want to learn to deal with submissions, wrist locks included, i heavily advise seeking out somewhere that trains submission grappling or bjj with aliveness. Judo, sambo, mma, anything. When i had been training for only a couple of months a guy with a long background in cma started rolling with us sometimes. i got wristlocked once, and then it never happened again. Not to knock your instructors overall, but in my (limited) experience if you're training with whatsoever decent grapplers wristlocks are not something you should have to worry about.

What exactly *isnt* great about that? Even if you can't appreciate the groundfighting skill demonstrated by both of them, surely you can tell just by the fact that shamrock is not able to fight by his gameplan at all that royce is fantastic.

Getting out of a wristlock is pretty much dependent on not getting wrist locked. IF a technique is completed properly you're not going to get out of it -- there's no way to get unarmbarred, unchoked, unpunched.

If you want to learn to deal with submissions, wrist locks included, i heavily advise seeking out somewhere that trains submission grappling or bjj with aliveness. Judo, sambo, mma, anything. When i had been training for only a couple of months a guy with a long background in cma started rolling with us sometimes. i got wristlocked once, and then it never happened again. Not to knock your instructors overall, but in my (limited) experience if you're training with whatsoever decent grapplers wristlocks are not something you should have to worry about.

Well I usually asked my brother to wristlock me and I try to get free, and have never succeeded to date :icon_cry: while when I wristlock him, he just waves his arm and free himself like nothing :new_let_i

What exactly *isnt* great about that? Even if you can't appreciate the groundfighting skill demonstrated by both of them, surely you can tell just by the fact that shamrock is not able to fight by his gameplan at all that royce is fantastic.

It's a bit more takedown-heavy than BJJ, which seems to suit you. Their coach is the son of Alexander Iatskevitch, a legendary Russian Judo/sambo coach - it shows in their throws and takedowns.

joliette is pretty far from where I live...

I did a little search and it seems two places teach BJJ; Quebec's martial arts academy (their main draw is Shaolin kung fu... can I trust them?) or the Nordick fight club, complete with it's outrageous fees and the fact that it's located at the far end of a suburb :sign12:

17 year old 3 month white belts acting high and mighty because Royce Gracie beat up a bunch of one-dimensional strikers in the early nineties, then acting all surprised when they go to a MMA gym and find people being fairly unimpressed with their guard-flopping tactics and crappy takedowns and simply punch them in the face.

BJJ is a fantastic style, but it's not some sort of magic bullet that will instantly transform you into a badass because of the number of patches on your newly-bought gi.

Shamrock/Gracie 1 was pretty entertaining stuff. Shamrock/Gracie 2 was thirty minutes of Shamrock laying in Gracie's guard without much happening. Shamrock roughed up Gracie's face some, but there were no memorable attempts at submissions--neither man really tried to end the fight. This is the fight in which Shamrock's father shouted from cageside, "Ken, if you're just going to lay on him all night, why don't you give him a big kiss?"
Legend has it that Gracie looked up at Shamrock and said, "No, please don't do that."

That fight was the result of Shamrock knowing he didn't want to leave any openings for Gracie, and Gracie being confident that he could wear Shamrock down eventually. There was no wearing Shamrock down because he used relatively little energy, and neither man wanted to take any chances.