A media campaign by a group of former U.S. intelligence and Special Forces operatives admonishes President Obama for taking credit for the killing of Osama bin Laden. A video released by the group tells the president to “shut up” because high-level leaks are putting U.S. forces at risk. Today’s Question: Is it fair game in politics to accuse the president of a security breach?

Obama is a clueless community activist. He will go to any means necessary to win the election to insure the continued destruction of the American capitalist system.

If what a voter wants is emotional satisfying rhetoric and a promise of something for nothing to be paid by taxing someone else, then Obama is your man.

What I can’t stand about obama is his belief that he is always correct and any other opinion is wrong. This from a man with no experience other than as a community activist.

Keith

“What I can’t stand about obama is his belief that he is always correct and any other opinion is wrong. ”

Clark, I’d like to know what basis in fact you are basing this on. On a more fundamental note, how is this different than most of the other polititians these days, especially Romney? Or pick any Tea Party member.

Phil

I think if you are Republican and the president is Democrat then you think it is okay to accuse him of a security breach. If you are Democrat and the president is Republican you will say it is a breach. And if you are the same party as the president, then it is their call and we don’t have the right to accuse him of anything.

Steve the Cynic

“Fair game”? Since when is politics a game?

Steve the Cynic

Re: “What I can’t stand about obama is his belief that he is always correct and any other opinion is wrong.”

Funny how the flaws people perceive and “can’t stand” in others are in fact their own.

reggie

@Clark,

Barak Obama is the duly elected President of the United States. If you don’t respect the man, at least show some respect for the office. Your rants are an excellent example of how petty and divisive what passes for political discourse has become. That, more than any other single factor, is what has the nation grid-locked, debt-ridden, and facing the depressing likelihood that future generations will have diminished prospects.

As to today’s question, no it’s not “fair game” for former government officials (including military servicepeople) to speak out in this way. They oath they swore demands no less than allegiance to the nation, above the political fray. Whistleblowing on illegal acts would be one thing, but simply playing politics denigrates the service, and is, itself, harmful to the national interest.

Rich

Listen closely. That sound you just heard was the last dying gasp of the Romney-Ryan campaign.

kim

It would be “fair”, if it was true and the breach serious, and the motive was protecting national security. For the most part, issues of this nature (if they are real) should be handled privately, through appropriate channels. To protect national security.

I’m sick and tired of politicians, and their ad agencies, making stuff up and distorting things to trick voters into voting for their candidate or against somebody else. I’m SO sick of it, and SO sure this media campaign is more of the same, I don’t even want to hear what they have to say.

I still think “none of the above” needs to be an option on our ballots.

Ian

@ Clark – I don’t think Obama is the best thing since sliced bread, but I get really sick of the socialist rhetoric. How has he tried to get rid of the capitalist system? He reformed healthcare by requiring people to be covered by private insurance companies, not by socializing medicine. I haven’t seen any new regulations being imposed on corporations.

As for the question…He’s the Commander and Chief, so yes he does get some credit for bin Laden, he ordered the attack; in comparison to the previous President who did not, and stated that he didn’t think about bin Laden much.

I am former military, and trust me, the chain of command is drilled into your head…like with many things in life involving a boss…you don’t have to agree with what you’re asked to do, but you have to do it; unless of course it is illegal.

linda

No, I do not think it is a security breach. I think he should remind us who ordered the job, who saved the American auto industry, and other real accomplishments of the past four years. I am also grateful for the help the OBamacare has given to many who need help.. And he did it without one shred of help from the republicans in congress. They have obstructed him every step of the way. Their sole purpose was to keep the econcomy right where it was so they could keep him a one-term president. How is that patriotic or good for the country?

Jim G

It’s a partisan attempt to Swift Boat the President and it’s not fair in its presentation of the facts. I watched the entire video. I have questions. Who funded this video? Are they the same people who funded similar Swift Boat tactics in the past?

Disseminating misinformation is a well-known tactic of all intelligence operations. This is an example of using incomplete information to massage the opinion of the misinformed.

The past is always present. This is nothing new. A bunch of White guys telling a Black man to sit down and shut the f*** up. It’s actually in the video towards the end. The arrogance of this insubordination is breathtaking. He is the Commander in Chief.

Gary F

Jim, why must you invoke race? There is no mention on race in the video. Playing the race card when your argument is weak makes it harder for people that are really suffering from racism. Stop it.

Ann

It is even more unfair for Obama to blame Bush for the economic problems that he has had to deal with.Dot com companies were failing when Clinton was still in office.I saw a video of Clinton promoting the type of mortgages that got us into that mess.Bush also had to deal with the way that the 9-11 attack affected the economy.Corporate scandals were also going on during the Clinton era and later we found out that those companies weren’t doing as well as we thought.As I see it, Obama makes unfair accusations everyday.The president and Congress don’t have control over many economic matters.

Gordon near Two Harbors

While this kind of attack can be expected during any hard-fought political campaign, you have to consider the source of this particular un-American behavior. Many in the once-honorable Republican Party have moved so far to the right that their ideology is nearly in lock-step with the Nazi Party of the 1930s, but most don’t even know it. Ever listen to the filth on conservative talk radio?. A helluva lot of people actually believe that s**t.

Consider their views on Labor Unions, Gays, Liberals, and non-white immigration. Do you think their fanatic obsession with President Obama’s birth certificate was a fluke? Think again.

This is another Swift Boat-type effort, funded by exceedingly wealthy individuals, who HATE everything about Obama.

Jim G

Gary,

Because the past is always present and that’s how I interpreted the video. It’s in the video. They used those words said by Leon Panetta, but referring to leaks generically, but these words were directed at the President personally by a White Guy. When it gets personal, it gets messy. America’s race relations are messy. The past and present racist views always will influence this nation’s political rhetoric. You need to be aware of it and this is one of its manifestations in this election.

James

When there is a well-funded group of rich guys 100% committed to making our current president a one-term president, everything is fair.

The irony of seeing a bunch of old, fat, white guys, who have never fought a war that mattered, who have sworn allegiance to the Commander in Chief, who are enjoying their generous indexed pensions and also double- or triple- dipping with their consulting and lobbying gigs ripping on the president for political, and not national security reasons is almost too much to handle.

MPR and NPR. Please don’t inadvertently help these mercenaries by publicizing the video.

Kurt Nelson

I wonder if those patriots say the same thing about Reagan and the Iranian hostages. I’ll answer my own question. No, how could they disparage the great wizard of OZ.

Reagan, however, made no hesitation to use that as a political foil for the next 8 years, and not a peep out of the right, except “Mission Accomplished”, oh wait, that was another Republican President touting his military might, and a failed mission.

If they have actual proof, they had better put up, otherwise, they are just a bunch of punks, whiny punks at that. The President, as Commander in Chief order the mission, and this time it was actually accomplished.

Gary F

Jim,

Sure the President is half black.

Maybe they are mad at the white half of the President leaking military secrets?

I was told to judge a man by his character and not by the color of his skin. So, I see him as a Marxist who plays by dirty Chicago style tactics. I don’t care what color he is. I didn’t vote for him because he was or wasn’t black, I don’t like him because he doesn’t like liberty, free markets, and American exceptional-ism.

georges

When you see Democrats call people “racist” and “nazi”, and posting cheap profanity that they must use “***” for most of the letters, you can be sure of one thing……

That the Democrats have no intellectual argument to advance, they admit to being defeated by Conservative ideas, and, therefore, must resort to childish name calling and profanity.

Imagine, a political position so bankrupt, so out of step with objective reality, that its adherents must stoop to such a low level.

It is a clear capitulation. The Democrats may as well say, “Yes, Conservatives, you are our intellectual Masters. You win, fair and square. But we will ad hominem attack anyway, as it is all we have left.”

Har

david

If it were true it would be, but the video did not convince me. In fact the video is quite ridiculous. From the over the top fox sports graphics and sound effects, to the over the top acting by the alleged former seals and cia operatives. It establishes no credibility, but does do a good job pandering to its demographic, uneducated arm chair quarterbacks who will take its message as absolute truth without question. Good thing that group doesn’t buy into the whole critical thinking thing, but prefers media that backs up what they want to believe.

Beyond that when doesn’t the commander in chief not get the lions share of credit for military conquests? I seem to recall a shrub in a jumpsuit standing on an air craft carrier flying a banner reading mission accomplished years ago. Still trying to figure out what mission he was referring to.

georges

Yes, of course it is fair game. In politics, you can use anything you want to use. Being our top employee does not exempt Obama from the critical eye of campaign rhetoric.

In fact, Obama brought this on himself when, a couple months ago, he ran an ad which stated he is “America’s greatest Hero, because he killed America’s greatest enemy.”

Tsk…tsk….tsk………….Live by the imaginary boast, die by the facts.

Jim G

Gary,

You know that I just usually put up my post, go for a bike ride, and read other responses when I return. It’s chilly today so I’m still here when I should be riding. I don’t like arguing as some others do, so I’m finishing today’s commentary with this.

I just wish that all candidates were transparent, not black, white, rich, poor, conservative, liberal, or last of all moderate. Transparency should be the goal of our politics: then we’d all be on the same playing field. Candidates and politics need to be transparent and we need to quit playing the subtle race card and then blame others for calling them on it when they’re the ones who used it. I’m off… getting out there and enjoying the day. Have a good one.

Gary F

Transparent? Like the making of Obamacare?

GregX

Its fair until a conservative is in office – then its treason. Under Bush Cheney they were, and their party still is, advancing opressive rules about “national security” and what can/can’t be discussed. the GOP is just looking for an excuse to return the Alien and Sedition Acts to the US laws.

I, for one, would prefer that the Navy Seal and other “covert/secret” operations would become fully public data 40 years later.

History needs to be fully acknowledged by the generations that live through the debris of their immediate forefathers. And the forefathers need to know that there secrets have a distinct shelf life. After which sunshine is applied.

GregX

GaryF – “Transparent? Like the making of Obamacare?”

What are you ? 12 … There isn’t an administration alive that doesn’t have several of those “slient agendas”. If you gonna start digging that hole – realize that everyone has shovels. Pointless exercise.

David Poretti

Joe Wilson / Valerie Plame vs. Dick Cheney / George W. Bush.

Was that a national security breach? Yes.

Were the security interests of the United States compromised? Yes

Were the responsible parties held accountable? No

Was this played for political gain?

Lance

Is it ‘fair game’ to accuse your opponent in a presidential race of unsubstantiated claims of felony, not paying their taxes, and being responsible for the death of one of your supporters’ wives?

Clark

Keith:

Here is my basis. I have worked at a very high level in finnancial services for 25 years. The past 15 in a leadership role managing federal regulatory issues for my company. I personally have no issues with smart, efficient regulations and our company has managed to comply with such regulations.

In the past four years, I have spent countless hours dealing with regulatory thugs directed from the obama adminsistration searching for solutions to problem that don’t exist. It has cost us tens of millions of dollars. We have shut down various business unit, fired over 11,000 employees all the absolute direct result of obama and the far left radical democrats who hate business with a passion. I see this abuse of power every day and I suspect I am not alone.

Obama has never worked a day in his life for a true private enterprise so he is CLUELESS to our issues. Newt was right. Obama is not qualified to run a hot dog stand.

Defeating Obama is job one there is no job two and as I only have one vote, being a person of means, I can send as much cash as legally permissble to Romney and Ryan.

Tricky Mitt

Thank God those wise men on the supreme court saw fit to decide corporations are people and can say whatever they want. The first amendment guaranties zero accountability now. Flash and fluff mean more than integrity and honesty. Corporate goons can buy elections and hide behind anti-disclosure laws. God bless America!

twitter.com/tricky_mitt

James Cracchiolo

@ Clark,

Maybe if you and your ilk didn’t act like criminals you would be treated so.

Jefferson

This question really does show the bias of MPR. No questions were asked when a person associated with Obama’s re-election campaign accused Romney of avoiding paying legal taxes, which of course is a felony. No question about if it was fair for the Senate Majority leader (an actual elected official) to accuse Romney of not paying taxes for the last 10 years based purely on hearsay, still no evidence has been provided.

Then today we get a question about a third party group, not associated with the Romney campaign and definitely not an elected official asking if it was wise for Obama to release so many secrets about information retrieved from the Osama bin Laden raid. They are intelligence and special force operatives so it is their lives on the line if the enemy is knows they are coming, sounds like a legitimate concern.

Oh yes, then there’s the 3rd party commercial (running in Pennsylvania) that accuses Romney of being responsible for the death of a man’s wife (cancer) due to the loss of his job and health insurance due to Bain Capital downsizing a steel mill. Never mind that the man’s wife had health insurance through her work, never mind that the man got another job where he could have purchased insurance but instead got on his wife’s plan and never mind the fact that Romney wasn’t even working for Bain at the time of the steel mill closing. BTW, the best part is that the steel mill in question was supposed to close 10 years earlier than it did but Bain Capital stepped in and saved the mill so it could run for 10 years longer than originally planned!

But of course MPR only questions if it is fair to run an ad against Obama when he is accused of releasing too many secrets when it came to the Osama bin Laden raid…I smell a hint of left wing bias…MPR you are better than this.

jockamo

“There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me — because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t — look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something. There are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

“If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.”

Good grief.

What an ignoramous. Besides not understanding business or Capitalism at all, he thinks the government created the internet so that “all the companies could make money off the internet.” HarHarHar

His handlers should never allow him to talk about economics, Capitalism, money, wealth, or anything of actual interest to adults.

It is about time we elect a REAL businessman as our top employee. Then we will stand a chance.

The geatest American, the one who we should have a National Holliday for (as we should for Thomas Alva Edison), was 160 years ahead of the “You didn’t build that” game when he said:

“Yet this government never of itself furthered any enterprise, but by the alacrity with which it got out of its way. IT does not keep the country free. IT does not settle the West. IT does not educate. The character inherent in the American people has done all that has been accomplished; and it would have done somewhat more, if the government had not sometimes got in its way.”

GregX

Clark – its pretty egregious to make up an accusation like you did…with Obama sending thugs over to specifically beat your company up… Regulatory hell at a fortune 500 company that I have substnative shares in resulted from our corporate attorneys and lead executives “shading” the interpretation of a federal regulation or two to favor the direction and structure of the business unit – including the sharing of data – that they wanted to set up. When the regulators came through and found some questionable business going on – fines were applied – some staff lost jobs and the business units were correctly reconfigured to meet federal requirements … if your company laid off 11,000 I’d say regulatory problems were simply the pimple on the ugly face of a non-profit generating unit. Lay-offs were coming regardless.

Rich in Duluth

No, this video is just a distraction from the important issues.

The important issues are how to create jobs, educate the people, maintain the infrastructure, provide healthcare for everyone, make old age as secure as possible, defense spending, homeland security, etc. Those supporting the candidates should be detailing their plans for these things and showing how they will or won’t compromise with the 40-50% of the population who are members of the opposition.

Clark, if I may comment….

You make an interesting point, but I think the story is incomplete. Your company is not in business to create jobs; it’s in business to maximize profits. So, I think that, no matter what regulations are in place, if laying off 11,000 people will improve your company’s bottom line, they will be laid off.

Also, you didn’t detail the particular regulations that caused the layoffs or the consequences to your company and the general public of not having those regulations. Without that complete picture, it’s impossible to see the validity of your argument.

GregX

jockamo “What an ignoramous. Besides not understanding business or Capitalism at all, he thinks the government created the internet so that “all the companies could make money off the internet.” HarHarHar”

Dear joackamo – I’m guessing you take everything literally. There is no trucking company out there that built the roads it drives its trucks on. does that miek ti clearer for you. Business is wholly dependent on the “ecology” to function. Many companies retain USA home offices for the patent protection, intellectual rights protections and other legal system protections – thus making their business model successful. the piddly stuff _ creating a product – is literally the part you are thinking of … but the system that allows you to keep the profits and prevent other from copying-ripping you off – that is the US government at work protecting your company and making it possible. Also – DARPA invented the components, protocols general communication technology + standards that could be used to create the internet. A European government funded project actually created the holistic concept of internet. So DUH — governemt created the tool. Business sharpened it but they didn’t invent it.

jockamo

Many scientists participated in the invention of the internet, some were funded by governments, some not.

But, you missed the point. The point was that Obama thinks the internet was invented so that “all the companies could make money off the internet.”

Which was not the purpose of inventing it. Not even remotely.

Private business, not government, made it what it has become. Capitalism deserves the credit for all its money making capabilities.

Obama likes to take credit where credit is not due.

HarHarHar

Graysolon

@ Jefferson,

Did the President say Romney did not pay income tax, or was it a staffer? Oh right, it was a staffer, so do not put words into the Presidents mouth, especially where you do not understand the issues.

Romney proclaimed today that he has never paid less than 13% in income tax (probably a lie). I sure wish my tax burden were 13%, that would be sweet, except I am not a tax cheat, like Romney. He might release his 2011 returns, but he will never release his 2009 returns because that year, he most likely paid much closer to zero percent, but I guess that is fair for the Republicans. That year, the tax codes regarding carried losses, and cap gains were structured such that many of the very wealthy (including Romney) paid no income tax. It is legal, but it certainly is not ethical or moral.

Proof: Of the 400 highest wage earners in 2009, 6 paid no tax, zero percent. The problem with this is that if you average the income of that group, you would find they brought home $202 million, that was the average. So, with that in mind, zero percent of 202 million is a pretty sweet deal. Another 83 paid between 0-15%, and to be fair, another 80 paid between 25-35%, and nobody paid more than 35%. You can look this up on the internets if you are in disbelief.

Oh to be a tax cheating Republican. It is legal, but as is usual of the lying Republicans, they skirt the law and then proudly proclaim they are helping America. Hope you are happy supporting tax cheaters.

Craig

The presidency is a huge prize, and those who could benefit from it rise or sink to the level of rhetoric we accept, we all know that. I think Jon Gordon is cleverly employing the faux naïf style to elicit fireworks. I skimmed the video, it seems designed to appeal to a certain level of viewer at the expense of credibility with others. The production elements are highly stylized, akin to an espionage movie, and the interview setup is the one used by companionship tv shows.

Jefferson

Graysolon – [@ Jefferson, Did the President say Romney did not pay income tax, or was it a staffer? Oh right, it was a staffer, so do not put words into the Presidents mouth, especially where you do not understand the issues.]

Okay, slow down and take some time to read the words that are typed out…here are my exact words: “a person associated with Obama’s re-election campaign accused Romney of avoiding paying legal taxes”. Not sure how you could construe what I clearly stated was “a person associated with Obama’s re-election campaign” to mean that Obama said that himself.

BTW, I pay much less than 10% of my total income in federal income taxes and I make well over $50k/year. I’m more than willing to pay more I just want to see a reformed tax code where most of these tax credits and breaks are eliminated in exchange for a lower overall tax rate. Not sure why everyone is so concerned about Romney paying more than 13% in federal income taxes…most people in the US pay far less than 13% in FIT on their total income. In fact, about 50% of people in the US pay zero FIT!

david

Hey jackatroll, if you are going to hijack the thread and MPR isn’t going to delete your propagandized post, how about not misquoting the president. You add nothing to the political conversation.

“There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me — because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t — look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

“If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

“The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

“So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded the G.I. Bill. That’s how we created the middle class. That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That’s how we invented the Internet. That’s how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for President — because I still believe in that idea. You’re not on your own, we’re in this together.”

jockamo

Democrats should never get into a contest of which party has the most criminals, cheats, immoral, amoral, felons, etc…….

It is a sure loser for the Dems. The Democrats have been at the thievery business for a long, long time. And they are expert at it.

A partial list of Obama appointees that were tax cheats:

Tom Daschle

Nancy Killefer

Hilda Solis

Tim Geithner

Bill Richardson

Ron Kirk

This is a prartial list only. And Billy Boy Clinton had tons of them, also.

Har

GregX

“But, you missed the point. The point was that Obama thinks the internet was invented so that “all the companies could make money off the internet.””

Um …man … that was a massive misread of the Obama statement and intention. Obama was making the point that government takes on the expenses and risks to investigate unproven technologies and ideas ( pure science) both to advance specfic goals – but also to advance general knowledge – with the implicit understanding that the results are “public knowledge” for anyone to benefit from. The message he was making was that companies that promote the idea that their entire business was 100% their “creation” is a flimsy assertion. If you build a web business – recognize that the internet is what you’re idea piggy-backs on. If you build a better router for the internet – recognize your customer base is other internet using companies. You clearly missed the boat and the lake. Open up the eyes next time.

jockamo

You have been fooled by the same idea that Obama has been fooled by.

Just because other things went before, and your business is based on some of these “other things” does not mean you “did not build that.”

If that were true, nobody would have ever “built” anything, except that caveman who first found a tree that had been struck by lightning and he harvested some embers, thereby provide the first layer of progress we have all built on ever since.

He is the only one. The rest of us are just leeching off his genius.

Get a grip. See where you and Obama have gone wrong.

If you started a business and made it successful……

YOU DID BUILD THAT

Obama has rubbed people the wrong way with his insane statement. And he will get his nose rubbed in it forever. Rightly so.

You take the world as you find it in your lifetime. Some start businesses. They build that. Others sit on the couch and watch Oprah. They build nothing.

That is the difference. Learn it, Obama.

Har

Steve the Cynic

No matter what a politician says, a sufficiently clever ideological adversary can twist the words to make it sound objectionable, uninformed, or otherwise ridiculous. A clear case in point is Obama’s “If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that.” In isolation, the “that” in that statement would refer to the business, making it a preposterous assertion. In context, though, the “that” refers to the infrastructure he was talking about in the preceding sentences, making the statement unassailably true. But then, truth is irrelevant in American politics. The most honest and truthful president we’ve had in my lifetime was Carter, and we couldn’t get rid of him fast enough.

Kurt

Nice try Steve. Reminds me of the Lewinsky hearings when Bill parsed the meaning of “is”. You ideologues…

Steve the Cynic

If you listen to the whole speech, Kurt, you have to deliberately misunderstand it to make it mean what the conservative spinmeisters have twisted it to mean. None are more blind than those who refuse to see.

an observer

A pox on all the ideologic trash talking.

There’s nothing remotely fair in politics; politics doesn’t give a rat’s heinie about morality. We’re living in Slimeball City, where NOTHING IS SHOCKING AND NOTHING IS OFF-LIMITS.

Whether Obummer or Romney Hood wins, we will still be living in a corporatist kakistocracy, in which the people who will reap the biggest benefits are the monied interests backing these two Harvard-educated millionaires.

The campaign can’t end soon enough for me.

Rich

I don’t get why anyone would think that taking out Osama Bin Laden is such a big deal anyway. It’s not as if Bin Laden hijacked passenger airplanes and flew them into buildings himself, that was done by a group of Al Qaeda terrorists. Yet everyone was so quick to assign blame to Bin Laden, even though he was thousands of miles away at the time of the attacks. That faker Bin Laden took credit for all sorts of terrorist attacks that he did not personally carry out, I wonder why the United States was so eager to find him in the first place

georges

Now, we shouldn’t be too hard on Obama for falsely accusing Romney of murdering some guy’s wife.

After all, it is only one (1) person dying that Obama is lying about.

No matter how often Obama attempts to injure Romney with these kind of lies, he will never come even close to the Democrat Party and Lyndon Baines Johnson in 1964, when they lied about Barry Goldwater, claiming he would murder the entire WORLD, and everyone and everything on it.

Therefore, the Democrats of the past have set a standard for lying that the Democrats of today cannot hope to ever compete with. You have been bested by your ancestors before you even write your lies down.

“It is hard to have a Southern overseer; it is worse to have a Northern one; but worst of all when you are the slave-driver of yourself.”

Har

Steve the Cynic

Molotov crock tales……

Obama no more accused Romney of “murdering some guy’s wife” than Shrub accused Kerry of treason in the “swift boat” ads eight years ago.