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If he gets rovers promoted, I would seriously consider binning him and bringing in a proven manager. It worked for Southampton when they got rid of Adkins for pocettino. No good going up and struggling like villa have done

Did they do that straight away before the season started?

I think you would need to be sure of what you are doing. The premier League is difficult for any manager. If Villa win the league cup,I think their fans would disagree with you. I am sure some disagree anyway.

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He’s 20yrs old ffs!? Remove his price tag and he’s basically John Buckley, Magloire, Butterworth or JRC but living miles from home! I’m not saying he’s been a success so far but writing off a player who isn’t even 21 and has represented his country at U18 and U19 level as well as making 78 appearances in the Championship with an ‘acknowledgement’ that he’s not good enough is lunacy.

He isn't though at this level and common sense would be to loan him out.

On the price tag sadly that will define him at Rovers i'm afraid and to say remove it is nonsense. They paid that premium for that young player because they thought he was ready to burst onto the scene as he was. No amount of sugar coating it can get away from that i wish you'd remove yourself from your 'insider everybody knows better' bubble and come to grips with it.

Of course he might carve out a career as he gets a bit more physically developed but we've seen it so many times in football how these things go. Also the U18 and U19s is irrelevant now the lower leagues, non league and football scrapheap have been littered with similar. Many other decent players have been nowhere near it either.

By the way wanting him sending out on loan isn't writing him off it's actually the opposite.

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This threw me as I couldn't remember saying such a thing, then realised it was part of the post I quoted!

I think there is an argument that both Gally and Bereton could come good as they have time on their side to develop but I wouldn't think it is very likely. Bereton doesn't look like a footballer at all to me and Gally doesn't look to have much of a football brain if he does have the physical attributes.

At present, since how a player may turn out doesn't really count - Dack could come back crap or Armstrong could go back to his prior form yet these possibilities aren't considered, and rightly so - both are failures in terms of performance level and contribution. Factor in the cost and they're catastrophic errors. Not sure why or how there is so much debate on saying these players haven't been failures as it's pretty clear cut imo.

Sorry, my apologies! I've stuffed up here. I would never intentionally inflict Paul's words on you-----or anybody! Very good post too (from you!)

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to quote "He’s 20yrs old ffs!? Remove his price tag and he’s basically John Buckley, Magloire, Butterworth or JRC but living miles from home!"

The truth in that statement is the current age of the player; who turns 21 in just 7 weeks time.

Mind you I got a laugh out of the player comparisons, with Buckley and JRC in particular. That has nothing to do with fees, just about being a footballer.

He's also thrown in the living away from home line as well that TM has used for every single signing he's made that hasn't shown much.

Gladwin, Whittingham, Samuel, Gally earlier on and of course Ben.

Then you look at Shearer leaving Geordieland at 15 to go to Southampton or Duff coming over here from Ireland at about 13. Then you factor in most of the lads mentioned have left home young to go to clubs previous to Rovers and draw the conclusion it's just a convenient excuse to chuck in in most cases.

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Then you look at Shearer leaving Geordieland at 15 to go to Southampton or Duff coming over here from Ireland at about 13. Then you factor in most of the lads mentioned have left home young to go to clubs previous to Rovers and draw the conclusion it's just a convenient excuse to chuck in in most cases.

Raya, Hoillet----I'm sure there's a very long list if I can get my brain to work.

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He's also thrown in the living away from home line as well that TM has used for every single signing he's made that hasn't shown much.

Gladwin, Whittingham, Samuel, Gally earlier on and of course Ben.

Then you look at Shearer leaving Geordieland at 15 to go to Southampton or Duff coming over here from Ireland at about 13. Then you factor in most of the lads mentioned have left home young to go to clubs previous to Rovers and draw the conclusion it's just a convenient excuse to chuck in in most cases.

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But there’s always the chance he never fulfils the potential he showed at U18 level. Many don’t, the game is littered with examples of ‘whatever happened to...’,

Let’s hope he isn’t another for all parties concerned... but that’s why £7million was a hell of a punt for a club like us.

If you look back at England Youth teams loads more fall by the wayside than make it to the top. If you get 2 or 3 out of 11 playing in the Prem you are doing really well. 4 or 5 will be playing non league after a few years. Even in the past when they had an U-23 team were you'd think they'd all be playing at the top level already plenty fell by the wayside.

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If you look back at England Youth teams loads more fall by the wayside than make it to the top. If you get 2 or 3 out of 11 playing in the Prem you are doing really well. 4 or 5 will be playing non league after a few years. Even in the past when they had an U-23 team were you'd think they all be playing at the top level already plenty fell by the wayside.

Well not many of them will command 6/7 million price tags before they are shaving that's for sure. Be interesting to see how many actually have ?

Another Venky era ground breaker probably.

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Because we're sitting pretty in midtable, people are happy to keep giving Mowbray the benefit of the doubt. Personally, I think all the talk of a "slow build" is a stalling tactic and wishful thinking. We heard the same thing under Bowyer. "He's stabilised the club, he's signed some good players, we're just off the playoffs!" but tomorrow never came. Sometimes a manager can only take you so far. We've dropped too many points from winning positions or against lowly teams, with or without the likes of Dack. The manager has to carry the can for that. Tactically we cannot keep up performance levels or figure out strategies to break stubborn teams down, and spending £12m on two strikers who have contributed the grand sum of jack shit didn't help either.