Should there be a GW 3?

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if Anet ever makes another game, they should make a completely fresh and new game franchise that has nothign to do with Guild Wars

Imagine if they brought back City of Heroes. (We will never forget.) NCSoft put everything behind ArenaNet and GW 2 at the time and while I don't regret their decision to back GW 2, I've missed CoH ever since.

I’d drop GW2 in a heart beat if they brought COH back. I know it had its own issues, but no other game entertained me even half as much as COH did.

A trilogy of expansions (meaning one more) sounds nice and round. I think GW2 has another few in it, but I could dig only one more if GW3 was around the corner. The game is what...6 years old? If another expansion came out in 6-18 months, weaving in an LS before and after to round it out...we are looking at another 2 - 2.5 yrs of GW2. ~8 years total? Maybe 9? Maybe push it to 10? Sure definitely.

No, it's not needed. GW 2 should just continue with expansions and patches.

@Erasculio.2914 said:
There was a lot of hyper for games like Hellgate: London (from the creators of Diablo!!!), Age of Conan, Warhammer Online, Lord of the Rings Online, Aion, Fury, and so on.

Now we know that most of those failed; Hellgate: London closed in less than two years, just to give one example.

I think you mean Hellgate: Global here, London was a singleplayer/coop game pretty much diablo with guns, Global was attempt at converting that into mmo-esque thing.... that failed miserably.

as for topic on hand:
frankly I do not believe in real need of gw3 to ever become to be, alot of people here uses argument of dated graphics/engine and yet there is a handfull of mmos that are much older and have actually gone through (in some cases multiple) engine migrations.

@Diabolos.6042 said:
Graphics are fine... I'm not sure what is wrong with 2...
I feel that the better the graphics in a game, the more it lacks in other areas.
I would play a text only guild wars if it had a fantastic story and content.

I assume you mean in MMOs, because I can think of hundreds of games that had great graphics, and awesome gameplay.

The game would need to be run/designed by a company that doesn't abandon half of their ideas when they don't work out and take ages to adjust broken parts of the game; lazy and poorly executed approaches to balancing the game between all modes. Lack of progress and inconsistent content releases are another massive problem.

The problem with a GW3 is that it would need the same amount, if not more, content than GW2 when it realeses. Ideally, I'd like to see a huge graphics update to the GW2 engine. WoW has done some incredible graphical updates over the past few years. GW2 needs to keep up with the eye candy. The whole point of vistas is to say to the player: "hey, stop and look around at how beautiful our game is." I love the vistas. GW2 just needs a major graphics update. The cadence of LW updates and expansions currently employed are perfect. GW2 had seen a tremendous amount of polish since it's debut, so let's continue that with graphical improvements, server and game optimization, and continued story developments. The game seriously needs to be optimized much better. My system is top notch, but will still drop to the 20s fps in WvW, on some map events in HoT, and definitely in some of the newer maps in PoF. A 2012 game should be running at 60 fps at all times in 2018. Not to mention, GW2 takes 150 GB on my SSD. WoW takes half that much and is a much larger game. Anet, please optimize!

Instead of a sequel: update the graphics engine and ensure that a 2018 mid-range PC is capable of 60 fps in all game modes at all times. And gives us some more sPvP game modes, please! 1v1 would be awesome!

I would love to see Anet create a new MMO with the combat and game design philosophy of GW2 in the Star Wars universe.

I agree more with "When the time is right" but I selected "Other". I think Gw3 should happen when the story of gw2 finally stalemates, and a new improved Futureproof Game Engine can be utilized. There is no reason to start another game until technology dictates the time is right. Gw2 still stands as a good looking and running game. So for now gw3 is of no need.

@Mea.5491 said:
No. Improve GW2 and release more content. It's only 5 yrs old. WoW is like what, 13 yrs old and still no WoW2. So let's talk about GW3 maaaybe around 2030.

Nice work comparing GW2 to the biggest MMO in the market for years that has the entire 3-game Warcraft series behind it.

This game does need a GW3 eventually, with a better engine, a much better grasp at what they want the classes to be since they seem to have forgotten and a better story that won't devolve into "have an Asura fix things".

@Mea.5491 said:
No. Improve GW2 and release more content. It's only 5 yrs old. WoW is like what, 13 yrs old and still no WoW2. So let's talk about GW3 maaaybe around 2030.

Nice work comparing GW2 to the biggest MMO in the market for years that has the entire 3-game Warcraft series behind it.

This game does need a GW3 eventually, with a better engine, a much better grasp at what they want the classes to be since they seem to have forgotten and a better story that won't devolve into "have an Asura fix things".

Well, I like the engine, story and professions the way they are, so whatever. I don't want GW3 but if there will be GW3 then I'm OK too. -shrugs- It's not like we can control Anet's decisions.

GW3 will need to be radically different from GW2. this mean it would be cheap and short to develop, we are talking about 5 years of investment.
it would have to be set in a new era, a new setting. there is currently no need to abandon this setting as they still have story to tell.
I am unsure if anet has made enough money to justify a new engine and a new world...

@Magek.4718 said:
They literally said that there will never be a Guild Wars 3 a long time ago.

They also said there will never be mounts and that the trait system was originally the reason why they removed the dual class system of GW1.

They never said there will never be mounts. They went out of their way to say nothing about mounts. And after mounts were in the game, they said they had planned on including them from long before launch. They just hadn't figured out how (plus needed new tech to make it possible to do it, GW2 style).

And they removed the dual class system of GW1 because it was a nightmare to balance. Which is why there are fewer skills overall, why elite specializations can't be combined, and why we can only equip 3 trait lines. That is, removing the dual class system of GW1 was a reason for introducing traits.

Still, they also haven't said there won't be a GW3. They've said that they have plenty of plans for GW2 and see no need to start over any time soon.

Hype is the path to the dark side. Hype leads to unfulfilled expectations. Disappointment leads to anger. Anger leads to disgust. Disgust leads to "oh, new shinies! I'm back!"

GW2 has the inertia to last a long time, so strictly speaking, it doesn't really need a sequel. I mean, WoW is still active, and GW2 is arguably a sidegrade, if not an upgrade, upon the WoW style of MMO.

If there is a GW3, it would need to make some radical innovations and departures from convention, even though that might risk alienating some elements of the playerbase. But if a sequel is made, I hope the devteam behind it will look carefully at what has been done in GW2 in order to replicate its successes and avoid its mistakes. If that process is not undertaken carefully, and the game is not redesigned with an eye toward the future, I would rather they just keep updating GW2.

Yes - I think there should be a GW3 because realistically speaking there's only so much optimization and improvement they can do on the current game's architecture.
Eventually graphics will need to be improved. Server architecture will need improvement. Heck - we'll need the game to be more optimized - so much more than it is today.
New technology will emerge and GW3 will need to take advantage of it.

As much as I like the current game and want to see it continued I realize there's going to be a point where the current technology that's built into the game will be too old to be viable and a new game will be needed.

Only if certain things are in GW 3 (such as particular professions, races, content, game modes, ect.)

There could be a GW3. But they should really think competitive PVP through. If this game mode is good, then the game will sell itself on different media and could compete with other competitive games. If they'd make it another casual PvE scrubfest, then no thanks.

No, it's not needed. GW 2 should just continue with expansions and patches.

I find it useless, a Guild Wars 3 biggest choice to tell, especially the interest without the ancestral dragons ...
Guild Wars 2, and improve your choice, like a redesign of the divine promontory that is very old and frozen in time (it's the oldest card in my opinion ...) with a carnival that never happened. .. and his old textures.

No, it's not needed. GW 2 should just continue with expansions and patches.

There’s an old phrase that says “A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.” Meaning, a sure thing that you already have is worth much more than grand dreams of future things.

Guild Wars, as great as it might be, is a lobby game with instanced party member only content. When ANet decided to make guild wars two they wanted to have a true mmo. So what exactly would be the big change to make gw3? Better graphics? That’s not enough to make a new game and hope your player base migrates over with you, especially if they have to leave their old accounts behind with all the gems spent on account updates and start over again. New story lines? They can do that with this game.

While ANet may one day make a gw3 or a totally different game imo it will only be because this game is dying and it’s better to leave it than to stay. That point hasn’t been reached and I don’t expect it for many years. I only expect upgrades to the engine for quite a long time.

No, it's not needed. GW 2 should just continue with expansions and patches.

Some people don't seem to understand that a GW3 would be an entirely different game, not just a GW2.5, a better version of GW2.
Look at the difference between GW1 and GW2. Two completely different games, the only thing they share is the lore.

I like GW2, so I want them to continue updating it. I like GW2, why should I want a different game?

I voted other. I would love a GW3. However I would like it structured differently. I want more separation of advanced players and filthy casuals like myself. I hate the red circles. I want to be able to explore maps without getting ganked by npc's. Leave the truly difficult content to dungeons, fractals, WvW, PvP. Let the open world be doable for players like myself. Orr and beyond is too much. The expansion maps are too much too hard for a filthy dirty casual like myself.

I wouldn't mind...however with only HoT and PoF, I think it's too early to say that a GW3 is needed. ESO, and WoW has had many expansions. I would rather want a visual upgrade similar to how WoW upgraded theirs. Also if they did do a GW3, I'd hope they have GW2 bonuses similar to how GW1 players got special items.

@HeadCrowned.6834 said:
There could be a GW3. But they should really think competitive PVP through. If this game mode is good, then the game will sell itself on different media and could compete with other competitive games. If they'd make it another casual PvE scrubfest, then no thanks.

PvP-focused MMOs usually fail, so no, it wouldn't sell itself on different media for long.

@nSan.4251 said:
I wouldn't mind...however with only HoT and PoF, I think it's too early to say that a GW3 is needed. ESO, and WoW has had many expansions. I would rather want a visual upgrade similar to how WoW upgraded theirs. Also if they did do a GW3, I'd hope they have GW2 bonuses similar to how GW1 players got special items.

WoW has the giant lore from the Warcraft series to fall back on and is THE reason MMORPGs are even a thing, you can't compare it to GW2 where important lore characters are added just to kill them off.

No, it's not needed. GW 2 should just continue with expansions and patches.

No to GW3. One, it's not needed at all if you look at how much of the map is still to be uncovered. Two, there's quite a few people that are already invested into their accounts (hint, why do you think there's no WoW2? They know they'd lose subs if people had to start all over again) to want to switch. Three, if they do make it, they'd have to be able to do something akin to the Hall of Monuments, which could easily eat into production.
As for, what about new systems. I remember WoW had to completely nerf numbers down again because Mists of Pandaria was getting to high in numbers (raid Garrosh had a kitten of health) and it caused some people to be a bit sulky to say the least. Rebuilding the entire game to allow those huge numbers just was not feasible. The same can probably be said for GW2.

If they add anything, I think it should be a mobile app similar to WoW's armory app. You can view the trader, buy/sell, look over your character, engage in guild chat type of thing. I also think they should take some stuff from the defunct Rift app, that had lottery tickets. Once a day you could scratch off a lottery ticket and win a prize. With GW2, it'd be interesting because the prizes could be a pool of wardrobe unlocks, revive orbs, repair canisters, black lion keys, etc. However, that would all depend on how many people would use this app. Not that many would make it non-feasible as well.

Experiencing the transition from Guild Wars to GW2: No need for a 3 if that is "yet another attempt at a B2P with added cashshop MMO".
This game has a lot of fans - Keep them happy instead, even if some of us original Guild Wars players aren't happy at all.
A mobile CORPG might be worth it but I (sadly) doubt Anet has the ability and perseverance to pull it off.

That being said if the devs want to move on to a Guild Wars 3 for whatever reason I hope they'll take their time, particularly to decide what their game should be, because the Guild Wars 2 we knew on release has very little in common with the Guild Wars 2 we know today, and because of that there is a lot of lackluster vanilla content in comparison with what we have today. It took them quite a while to really figure out what Guild Wars 2 should be, and in some instances they're still trying to figure it out, if Guild Wars 3 happens I want a game that knows what it should be.

Moreover I wouldn't accept a Guild Wars 3 if it wasn't unique, while sharing the forces of the two previous entry in the series, and would also emphasize the PvP experience.

@HeadCrowned.6834 said:
There could be a GW3. But they should really think competitive PVP through. If this game mode is good, then the game will sell itself on different media and could compete with other competitive games. If they'd make it another casual PvE scrubfest, then no thanks.

PvP-focused MMOs usually fail, so no, it wouldn't sell itself on different media for long.

The combat system and the game itself allow for competitive gameplay imo. But the balance system and the game modes don't. Don't forget that this game had a reasonable competitive scene in the past.

@HeadCrowned.6834 said:
There could be a GW3. But they should really think competitive PVP through. If this game mode is good, then the game will sell itself on different media and could compete with other competitive games. If they'd make it another casual PvE scrubfest, then no thanks.

PvP-focused MMOs usually fail, so no, it wouldn't sell itself on different media for long.

The combat system and the game itself allow for competitive gameplay imo. But the balance system and the game modes don't. Don't forget that this game had a reasonable competitive scene in the past.

So did WoW, to the point of having tournaments for quite a while, yet it stopped for years.

No, it's not needed. GW 2 should just continue with expansions and patches.

I believe GW2 is destined to be like WoW. With that being said, Anet needs to actually update their game engine like Blizzard has done with WoW. WoW launched in 2004....they have since updated their engine to support dx11 and now dx12 (it no longer supports dx9). Surely Anet can do the same. If not, then gw2 will start to age poorly. The game is very cpu limited, even the most high end cpu can't keep gw2 running at a high frame rate in certain circumstances. I'd definitely like to see Anet do some client side performance updates if we are suppose to see gw2 around for the next decade or so.