> On 1/16/2008 1:11 PM, Kenneth Whistler wrote:
> > Asmus,
> >
> Ken,
> > And the J-hacek glyph shown in the charts of ISO 9 is clearly
> > the uppercase Latin J with the hacek centered firmly
> > *above* the J, just like the various circumflexes
> > used in that system also are.
> >
> All I see on that page is J followed by a box. ;-)
>
> I don't think that page uses glyphs - it seems to be using characters, or
> character sequences.

I was not referring to that page, but to an actual, printed,
hard copy of ISO 9 that I was holding in my hands, which
also has columns for elegant hand-written cursive forms
of both the lowercase and uppercase of all the Cyrillic
letters, as well.

> Seriously, improving the delineation of hacek in specific from caron in
> general is worthwhile.

Trying to make a distinction between "hacek" and "caron"
is not useful, I think. Note that the Americanist
orthography has always called this a "hacek", too --
not a "caron".

"Caron", as we've investigated
before on this list, is just an obscure, alternate label
invented somewhere early in the annals of character
encoding, for hacek -- perhaps only because proper
spelling of hacek requires a hacek -- which wasn't in
the list of characters used for names. It might be that
simple.

*makes up the possible discussion*

Delegate from Slovakia: You can't spell "WITH HACEK" that
way -- it has a hacek on the C.

Convenor from Switzerland: Well, we can only use ASCII A-Z
in character names.

Delegate from Slovakia: Well, it's spelled wrong, and that
isn't acceptable to us.

Convenor from Switzerland (with a straight face):
In Swiss French we call it a "caron",
and there wouldn't be any trouble
spelling that.

Delegate from Slovakia: Really?

Convenor from Switzerland: Yes, so let's just use that term
instead. *aside to editor* Just change
them all to "WITH CARON" and let's move
on.