So in efforts to keep the arty chats and debates in in place, we are going to keep this thread here. We've seen a lot of people asking about ways to consolidate the threads so they don't take over the boards. We did some searching around and noticed there were a lot of threads for arty all over the place. So from now on, let's please try and keep the arty chat here. Thank you everyone!!!

In the next few days we will be going through and dropping links to this thread. This will also go for any future arty posts. Please keep the arty thread here. Thanks so much. We are looking at a few other scattered topics as well to put in one thread.

I appreciate this. The arty threads have always been a sore eye on the forums.

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Maybe if the same handfull would stop making new ones when people get tired of the old ones.

I hate to be the one to point this out. But it's also the same group of people who jump into those threads and defend arty.

This isn't directed at you ruthless:

Whats the deal? Is the arty crowds enjoyment so much more important than our enjoyment of the game. It doesn't matter why we don't like arty. Just as it doesn't matter why you guys like arty. The fact is, we don't like arty. Our reasons are just as valid as yours. You can't sit there and expect your opinions to be the only ones listened to. I'll continue to express my opinion and I encourage others to do the same. But not just on this forum. Once I burn the remaining gold I have, i'm not spending any more money on this game. And I personally know others who are doing the same. When my opinion doesn't matter and an aspect of the game causes me to not enjoy is as much anymore, then I have no reason to support it anymore. Thats my opinion and my right. And rest assured, they may not care about losing my money. But when the numbers fall, the company is going to start looking at why.

I hate to be the one to point this out. But it's also the same group of people who jump into those threads and defend arty.

This isn't directed at you ruthless:

Whats the deal? Is the arty crowds enjoyment so much more important than our enjoyment of the game. It doesn't matter why we don't like arty. Just as it doesn't matter why you guys like arty. The fact is, we don't like arty. Our reasons are just as valid as yours. You can't sit there and expect your opinions to be the only ones listened to. I'll continue to express my opinion and I encourage others to do the same. But not just on this forum. Once I burn the remaining gold I have, i'm not spending any more money on this game. And I personally know others who are doing the same. When my opinion doesn't matter and an aspect of the game causes me to not enjoy is as much anymore, then I have no reason to support it anymore. Thats my opinion and my right. And rest assured, they may not care about losing my money. But when the numbers fall, the company is going to start looking at why.

Like I've stated, the countless polls show that the majority of people on the forums (or at least those who decided to vote) have no problem with Arty and do not want to see them changed.

Gr4b YoGatz FOO, on 01 July 2015 - 04:37 PM, said:

Those polls only represent the players that use the forum, to say these forums represent the views of the majority would be silly.

Just like it's silly to claim that the "majority" don't like Arty.

WGWPAIN, on 17 February 2015 - 04:21 PM, said:

Arty's are far from being unbalanced so there's no plans to nerf them. Reducing the number of Arty's in high tier matches where they are the most powerful is something that we've considered but we're not seeing large number of Arty's being played in those matches. Arty's are a way for players to play the game in a completely different way. Some player only ever play Arty's so removing them is not an option. I'd like to find a way to change the Arty viewpoint so its more realistic but that's one of those "some day" tasks I haven't gotten to yet.

I hate to be the one to point this out. But it's also the same group of people who jump into those threads and defend arty.

This isn't directed at you ruthless:

Whats the deal? Is the arty crowds enjoyment so much more important than our enjoyment of the game. It doesn't matter why we don't like arty. Just as it doesn't matter why you guys like arty. The fact is, we don't like arty. Our reasons are just as valid as yours. You can't sit there and expect your opinions to be the only ones listened to. I'll continue to express my opinion and I encourage others to do the same. But not just on this forum. Once I burn the remaining gold I have, i'm not spending any more money on this game. And I personally others who are doing the same. When my opinion doesn't matter and an aspect of the game causes me to not enjoy is as much anymore, then I have no reason to support it anymore. Thats my opinion and my right. And rest assured, they may not care about losing my money. But when the numbers fall, the company is going to start looking at why.

I agree, it is the same players in the same tired old topics. I hold that even if arty was nerfed, moved to another server, gotten rid of completely, nothing would change. High tiers would be dominated by TD's and camping as they were before, and then the same issues would crop up but with TDs as the source, not arty.

I want to see the nerfs, or the moves etc so I can prove my point. There is a reason they won't do anything because wargaming does not want history to repeat itself.

Equality is a myth.

In order to ensure rights for one, you must destroy rights of another.

I agree, it is the same players in the same tired old topics. I hold that even if arty was nerfed, moved to another server, gotten rid of completely, nothing would change. High tiers would be dominated by TD's and camping as they were before, and then the same issues would crop up but with TDs as the source, not arty.

I want to see the nerfs, or the moves etc so I can prove my point. There is a reason they won't do anything because wargaming does not want history to repeat itself.

I'm not going to argue that td's would dominate. But I do know this. I got in to a game a few night ago and the reds had 5 platooned waffles. No one camped. There were no arty. But still no one camped. We got beat. But it wasn't as bad as you would think. And yes they were together. They didn't just run out guns blazing. They still used cover just like every other tank. But they had to put themselves at risk to put out damage. Thats the difference. Arty doesn't.

Anyway, gotta be up early so I'm off to bed. Everybody have a good one. I'm sure we'll talk again tomorrow......

I'm not going to argue that td's would dominate. But I do know this. I got in to a game a few night ago and the reds had 5 platooned waffles. No one camped. There were no arty. But still no one camped. We got beat. But it wasn't as bad as you would think. And yes they were together. They didn't just run out guns blazing. They still used cover just like every other tank. But they had to put themselves at risk to put out damage. Thats the difference. Arty doesn't.

First few days, no one camped, then after a week it started. No one wanted to move do to being ambushed. It's not an overnight thing, takes a few days but did happen.

Equality is a myth.

In order to ensure rights for one, you must destroy rights of another.

I never stated that you did, but you can't deny that it is not an argument used continuously by the "Anti-Arty" crowd. "The majority of players hate Arty, WGA better cave to our demands or they will lose a lot of players". Paraphrased, but pretty accurate.

WGWPAIN, on 17 February 2015 - 04:21 PM, said:

Arty's are far from being unbalanced so there's no plans to nerf them. Reducing the number of Arty's in high tier matches where they are the most powerful is something that we've considered but we're not seeing large number of Arty's being played in those matches. Arty's are a way for players to play the game in a completely different way. Some player only ever play Arty's so removing them is not an option. I'd like to find a way to change the Arty viewpoint so its more realistic but that's one of those "some day" tasks I haven't gotten to yet.

First few days, no one camped, then after a week it started. No one wanted to move do to being ambushed. It's not an overnight thing, takes a few days but did happen.

Yep. So many juicy hull down positions that I know of but don't usually use in my T29 because it's wide open for arty to make you move. The day artillery gets nerfed is the day hull down tanks end games a whole lot more effectively then they already do.

"you know the grille is bigger, slower, less armour, doesn't have a turret, it's only good feature is its gun" - A Dapper Kiwi, comparing the Grille 15 and WT E100.

Oh yes, lets maintain the fact that people getting oneshotted or getting crippled is okay...........

IT IS COMPLETELY OKAY, RIGHT? THE ARTY PLAYER TAKES NO RISKS WHATSOEVER AND HAS TO RELY HEAVILY ON RNG, SO BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO RELY ON RNG LETS GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO ONE SHOT KILL PEOPLE. Very good logic, ja?

"Usually the good lord works in mysterious ways.. But not today! This here is 66 tons of straight up HE spewing DIVINE INTERVENTION!"

Oh yes, lets maintain the fact that people getting oneshotted or getting crippled is okay...........

IT IS COMPLETELY OKAY, RIGHT? THE ARTY PLAYER TAKES NO RISKS WHATSOEVER AND HAS TO RELY HEAVILY ON RNG, SO BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO RELY ON RNG LETS GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO ONE SHOT KILL PEOPLE. Very good logic, ja?

How is this hiding under a rug? If anything this makes it easier on the staff to track complaints. You still have a voice, stop acting like you dont

Equality is a myth.

In order to ensure rights for one, you must destroy rights of another.

Oh yes, lets maintain the fact that people getting oneshotted or getting crippled is okay...........

IT IS COMPLETELY OKAY, RIGHT? THE ARTY PLAYER TAKES NO RISKS WHATSOEVER AND HAS TO RELY HEAVILY ON RNG, SO BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO RELY ON RNG LETS GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO ONE SHOT KILL PEOPLE. Very good logic, ja?

Arty is more reliant on it's team then it is reliant on RNG.

WGWPAIN, on 17 February 2015 - 04:21 PM, said:

Arty's are far from being unbalanced so there's no plans to nerf them. Reducing the number of Arty's in high tier matches where they are the most powerful is something that we've considered but we're not seeing large number of Arty's being played in those matches. Arty's are a way for players to play the game in a completely different way. Some player only ever play Arty's so removing them is not an option. I'd like to find a way to change the Arty viewpoint so its more realistic but that's one of those "some day" tasks I haven't gotten to yet.