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Not all conflicts can be won with just cruise missiles, and if the legs were sufficiently armored, a tank with two (or more) legs would have a distinct advantage navigating over very uneven terrain over conventional tanks.

I'm not even sure you're being serious with that second paragraph. The phsyics of Japanese Mecha is completely insane, in reality the pilot would either black out or be turned into jelly with some of the maneuvers they pull flying and dancing around.

In realistic terms, both western and Japanese mecha are equally unlikely. A giant, heavy, bipedal robot would be the worst weapon design ever. Big target, high center of gravity, easily crippled, high maintenance... it just wouldn't be practical at all. Hell, a single tank shell to the mech's upper torso would knock it over and it wouldn't be able to get back up. Now, if they could somehow create a Japanese-style mech with the same level of mobility and dexterity, that would be another matter. But like you said, it's physically impossible.

Jets and drones are simply better weapons in all regards. They are much faster, more mobile, harder to hit and can deliver devastating payloads with pinpoint precision.

War is only about one thing: terrorising a country until the government gives in. You can do that wonderfully with power armoured personnel, as demonstrated in Robert A. Heinlein's science fiction book "Starship Troopers". Now think of a mech like a gigantic piece of power armour. It is much better at bringing terror into the hearts of people than a jet could, while being precise enough to do damage to particular points of an area without destroying it completely.Mechs are also better armoured than jets and drones and can withstand much more damage.So unlike, for example, mechs are not entirely, completely useless.

Not all conflicts can be won with just cruise missiles, and if the legs were sufficiently armored, a tank with two (or more) legs would have a distinct advantage navigating over very uneven terrain over conventional tanks.

I'm not even sure you're being serious with that second paragraph. The phsyics of Japanese Mecha is completely insane, in reality the pilot would either black out or be turned into jelly with some of the maneuvers they pull flying and dancing around.

In realistic terms, both western and Japanese mecha are equally unlikely. A giant, heavy, bipedal robot would be the worst weapon design ever. Big target, high center of gravity, easily crippled, high maintenance... it just wouldn't be practical at all. Hell, a single tank shell to the mech's upper torso would knock it over and it wouldn't be able to get back up. Now, if they could somehow create a Japanese-style mech with the same level of mobility and dexterity, that would be another matter. But like you said, it's physically impossible.

Jets and drones are simply better weapons in all regards. They are much faster, more mobile, harder to hit and can deliver devastating payloads with pinpoint precision.

Funny, I've always seen it the other way. Japanese mech designs are usually more visually appealing, but western one's (when they're not imitating the East) have a more utilitarian, pragmatic look that I imagine is more likely to appear in reality if such technology ever came into use.

You can't really say that a giant robot with legs is pragmatic. The legs are the weakest part of the machine and their destruction completely cripples it. That's why we're never going to use mechs as weapons. Building a long-range cruise missile is cheaper and more practical.

Japanese mecha would actually be more useful than western mecha, as they typically have incredible mobility and dexterity. Most of them can fly too and turn into some divine super weapon that summons the apocalypse and redefines existence as we know it.

Not all conflicts can be won with just cruise missiles, and if the legs were sufficiently armored, a tank with two (or more) legs would have a distinct advantage navigating over very uneven terrain over conventional tanks.

I'm not even sure you're being serious with that second paragraph. The phsyics of Japanese Mecha is completely insane, in reality the pilot would either black out or be turned into jelly with some of the maneuvers they pull flying and dancing around.

Funny, I've always seen it the other way. Japanese mech designs are usually more visually appealing, but western one's (when they're not imitating the East) have a more utilitarian, pragmatic look that I imagine is more likely to appear in reality if such technology ever came into use.

You can't really say that a giant robot with legs is pragmatic. The legs are the weakest part of the machine and their destruction completely cripples it. That's why we're never going to use mechs as weapons. Building a long-range cruise missile is cheaper and more practical.

Japanese mecha would actually be more useful than western mecha, as they typically have incredible mobility and dexterity. Most of them can fly too and turn into some divine super weapon that summons the apocalypse and redefines existence as we know it.

Japanese mecha are ridiculous when it comes to Physics. That dexterity and mobility would be impossible to achieve.

Wildone wrote on Feb 20, 2012, 17:18:They just look fugly, western robot designs by children. The Japanese always ALWAYS created more realistic and sexier designs, its jut that way. Western mechs are so goofy, chunky card board box designs with big nerf guns on their arms. And the colors..ugh...

Really? I always thought the opposite. Cannot stand the visual design of mechas. Mechs, on the other hand, are pragmatic.And let's not talk about realism, this is really, really silly.

Funny, I've always seen it the other way. Japanese mech designs are usually more visually appealing, but western one's (when they're not imitating the East) have a more utilitarian, pragmatic look that I imagine is more likely to appear in reality if such technology ever came into use.

You can't really say that a giant robot with legs is pragmatic. The legs are the weakest part of the machine and their destruction completely cripples it. That's why we're never going to use mechs as weapons. Building a long-range cruise missile is cheaper and more practical.

Japanese mecha would actually be more useful than western mecha, as they typically have incredible mobility and dexterity. Most of them can fly too and turn into some divine super weapon that summons the apocalypse and redefines existence as we know it.

jdreyer wrote on Feb 20, 2012, 23:11:And no more arbitrary weight or range limits please. Just let the accuracy determine the range, and the weight determine the speed.

Yes, and if a player puts on too many more tons than the Mech is rated for, its legs should immediately buckle and break under its own weight at the start of the mission. Ha

Actually that would be cool. Have a recommended weight and if you double that you can't move, and more than that you buckle

As for accuracy and range, they could play with that. For instance, bullets after a certain range wouldn't be very accurate, so beyond that they'd only hit a few percent of the time. For energy weapons, the atmosphere could scatter it beyond a certain range so it would do very little damage beyond its effective range.

Where's the kickstarter page for a developer who wants to make a true Mechwarrior 2 sim sequel? Only they will get my $50.

Hear, hear. This is exactly what I want: something I can customize every aspect of and try out on the battlefield. And no more arbitrary weight or range limits please. Just let the accuracy determine the range, and the weight determine the speed.

Yes, and if a player puts on too many more tons than the Mech is rated for, its legs should immediately buckle and break under its own weight at the start of the mission. Ha

Where's the kickstarter page for a developer who wants to make a true Mechwarrior 2 sim sequel? Only they will get my $50.

Hear, hear. This is exactly what I want: something I can customize every aspect of and try out on the battlefield. And no more arbitrary weight or range limits please. Just let the accuracy determine the range, and the weight determine the speed.

If Star Citizen was a child conceived in a night of passion, it would have started elementary school by now. -panbient

Well I guess I shoulda been more specific, Im not talking 'gundam' stuff bcus that is pretty ghey, but the more realistic looking MGS, Masasume Shirow type works. Im sure theres others, where they have thought about upcoming technology and applied it intelligently. I can't imagine any of these mechs being real! If 'real' mechs ever get made theres no reason why they should even have 2 legs and 2 arms, once they get much bigger than human size. But I know this is fantasy..still, I can't buy into my fantasy's unless they have a smidge of thought behind them. IDK I hope it doesn't suck, Im all for mech SIMULATION..

Hump wrote on Feb 20, 2012, 11:02:Poor Day 1, a talented bunch but their timing always stinks. Forget about the official BT stuff in the pipelines but they will be competing directly with Hawken for the arcade gameplay Mech fans. One look at the Hawken videos and its clear that Day 1 is up against some fierce competition.

Well, Hawken is PC-only, doesn't have a single player campaign, and is going to be free to play, so there's a fair amount of room out of the gate to find a niche.

Of course, I'd think that free to play would be a point in Hawken's favor, but I'm given to understand that a lot of people aren't fans of that model (Tribes Ascend pay to win ho ho ho, never gets old).

Hawken will most definitely be coming to consoles (they haven't announced a publishing deal or anything, but they've been clear about their intentions of going that way), and this Reign of Thunder is also free-to-play, as per the video stating so.

Wildone wrote on Feb 20, 2012, 17:18:They just look fugly, western robot designs by children. The Japanese always ALWAYS created more realistic and sexier designs, its jut that way. Western mechs are so goofy, chunky card board box designs with big nerf guns on their arms. And the colors..ugh...

Funny, I've always seen it the other way. Japanese mech designs are usually more visually appealing, but western one's (when they're not imitating the East) have a more utilitarian, pragmatic look that I imagine is more likely to appear in reality if such technology ever came into use.

Of course this is all generalization, but the "sexier" Japanese designs I've seen are usually covered with a plethora of small and useless protrusions that (while pretty) would not only likely be destroyed in the first few moments of actual battle, but also limit its mobility.

They just look fugly, western robot designs by children. The Japanese always ALWAYS created more realistic and sexier designs, its jut that way. Western mechs are so goofy, chunky card board box designs with big nerf guns on their arms. And the colors..ugh...