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Has anyone noticed that Ash always gets creamed when using everyone he has on hand this region. The 5 vs 5 with Trip he lost when Trip only used 3 Pokemon, the 6 vs 3 with Roxie Ash lost almost his entire team just to take out three Pokemon and now he is either winning,tying or losing to Cameron in a 6 on 5 battle where basically 4 of his Pokemon got destroyed without taking anything down.

It woudn't make sense to do that, to qualify to the league sure but not in a final, if they draw just let one of the guys pass without figthing, one of them will be lucky and get that chance and if he is good enough he will beat the other guy.

It woudn't make sense to do that, to qualify to the league sure but not in a final, if they draw just let one of the guys pass without figthing, one of them will be lucky and get that chance and if he is good enough he will beat the other guy.

Yeah and it's not like they don't get some time to heal. The only problem would be if they fought too hard and needed extended time to heal like Blaziken did.

Yeah and it's not like they don't get some time to heal. The only problem would be if they fought too hard and needed extended time to heal like Blaziken did.

Meh they used that with Blaziken and Kingler for plot purposes, I don't think that happens anymore, they can just go to the Pokemon Center and heal the pokemon to full health in some hours, the diferent rounds don't seem to be on the same day so thats not a problem, not like Virgil or one of the other two possibly to skip the round would have an advatange, heck if the really make Virgil win just have him be the one that doesn't skip a round, have him beat another CotD and then the last one in the finals.

I hope these 2 kids do end up tying, because I'd rather that than have Ash loses even though he had an obvious advantage throughout the entire battle.

Oh yeah, Ash using un-evolved Pokemon against fully-evolved Pokemon really showed that he had the advantage the whole time. Remind me, what happened to Oshawott when he battled Hydreigon and what will happen to Snivy when she battles Lucario?

I'm not talking about him using the advantage right, I'm talking about when comparing the 2 teams to each other, Ash's had a bigger advantage. Remind me, what move did Hydreigon lose to? Pignite's Brick Break right? What move did Ferrothorn lose to? Flame Charge right? What move did Swanna lose to? Electro Ball right? Who did Samurott lose to? Pikachu right?

So you're saying that a team of Hydreigon, Swanna, Samurott, Ferrothorn, and Riolu is somehow better than a team of Pikachu (who can take out 3 of the 5 with ease), Oshawott, Snivy (who could have dealt with Samurott and Riolu if Riolu hadn't evolved), Pignite (who could have also taken out 3 of the 5), Boldore (Who could have taken out Hydreigon, Swanna, and Ferrothorn), and Unfezant?

Just because a trainer has fully-evolved Pokemon in the anime, doesn't automatically make them stronger. Example, Scraggy, a baby Pokemon who managed to defeat a Simisage and Simipour. Another one? Bulbasaur managed to defeat Dusclops and Solrock. One more? Corphish defeating Alakazam, Arcanine, and 2 Swamperts.

I don't understand what the issue is with that either tbh. Virgil's Pokemon are cohesive and well-trained. They're not a random assortment of Pokemon like Cameron's. And I bet Virgil WOULDN'T CHEAT his way to victory; he'd simply use strategy to beat Ash, which is how it should be done. It's not like it's hard to out-smart Ash anyway.

Kira do you even know what cheating is? I don't see how Cameron bringing only 5 Pokemon on-hand for an official Full Battle is "cheating". Yeah its a pretty crappy thing the writers did but it is nowhere close to cheating. It's not like he somehow brought over 6 Pokemon, used illegal tactics during battle, etc.

I'm not talking about him using the advantage right, I'm talking about when comparing the 2 teams to each other, Ash's had a bigger advantage. Remind me, what move did Hydreigon lose to? Pignite's Brick Break right? What move did Ferrothorn lose to? Flame Charge right? What move did Swanna lose to? Electro Ball right? Who did Samurott lose to? Pikachu right?

So you're saying that a team of Hydreigon, Swanna, Samurott, Ferrothorn, and Riolu is somehow better than a team of Pikachu (who can take out 3 of the 5 with ease), Oshawott, Snivy (who could have dealt with Samurott and Riolu if Riolu hadn't evolved), Pignite (who could have also taken out 3 of the 5), Boldore (Who could have taken out Hydreigon, Swanna, and Ferrothorn), and Unfezant?

Just because a trainer has fully-evolved Pokemon in the anime, doesn't automatically make them stronger. Example, Scraggy, a baby Pokemon who managed to defeat a Simisage and Simipour. Another one? Bulbasaur managed to defeat Dusclops and Solrock. One more? Corphish defeating Alakazam, Arcanine, and 2 Swamperts.

Even if I agree with you in everything you said because I´m totally in favor of "Evolution =/= Strength" ... Boldore vs. Ferrothorn would be a very bad match up: Steel/Grass are super effective against Rock

Kira do you even know what cheating is? I don't see how Cameron bringing only 5 Pokemon on-hand for an official Full Battle is "cheating". Yeah its a pretty crappy thing the writers did but it is nowhere close to cheating. It's not like he somehow brought over 6 Pokemon, used illegal tactics during battle, etc.

Kiba do you even know what trolling is? Kira is smart not dumb.

She seriously must facepalm everytime she gets you guys so easly and then curse me for making this posts as usual telling you guys you are being trolled and then report me because I am calling her trolling when she "isn't".

Again Kira is smart, you have to be dumb to think a person handicaping themselves by being dumb is cheating.

Originally Posted by Squirtle_007

Even if I agree with you in everything you said because I´m totally in favor of "Evolution =/= Strength" ... Boldore vs. Ferrothorn would be a very bad match up: Steel/Grass are super effective against Rock

But Evoluition = Strength is true, thats why a pokemon evolves, regardless of arguments I'm going to say what I said numerous times, Satoshi Charizard can be pretty strong but if it had another evolution it would be even stronger, same with Pikachu we will never "know" his true strength because as strong as he is now if he evolved he would be stronger, we don't have any case of a pokemon being weaker upon evolution and NO Torterra didn't become weaker, he lost against strong pokemon and the writers forgot to give him a win.

The writers don't hate Ash, they just don't want him to be an overpowered guy. Although, it would've been a lot nicer for Ash to lose against someone whose skills in a battle are pretty much something Ash wouldn't expect. In this case, that would be Virgil.

Also, the writers are not donkeys. And before you say anything else, don't forget there are probably thousands of Pokémon fans besides me and Hero of Ideals, who still appreciate the writers. Not everyone likes or gets the idea of what they do, but we still appreciate them for giving us the anime. We're not blind, we simply defend the writers' decisions.

And if you think Pokémon anime is written by "donkeys", why watch this show? Why watch this series at all if you don't like what the writers do?

*sends out Milotic* Dareen, Surf!

Dareen: *Crashes on Vodor with a tidal wave* He's not gonna give up is he?

Me: Nope. Not by a long shot.

P.S. I'm actually okay with the whole idea that Cameron had forgotten a sixth Pokémon for the full battle, mainly because Ash was able to take down his secret weapon, and knock out most of his other Pokémon without losing too much of his own. Sure, some Pokémon should've deserved at least one hit such as Unfezant, but that's beside the point. If Riolu hadn't evolved, Ash would've won, and ended up in the Semi-Finals. Hopefully Pikachu and Snivy put up a good fight against the newly evolved Lucario. That way, it'll be a battle worth watching.

Ladies & Gentleman
Breaking News !!!
Ash Beating a complete rookie or A idiot trainer who brought 5 pokemon in a full battle make Ash look too overpower !
Thats why writer comes up with the worst League ever .
If That Ash look too Overpower then doesn't Kotetsu victory also make him look overpower !

Originally Posted by ShinyPokemon inc.

Originally Posted by pokemonsquared

Stop hating on Camoron lol. He's 4 generations of Karma coming back to screw Ash over from Ash pulling similarly stupid battles and still winning.

for once I agree with you it's about time ash got his karma from his first run in kanto.

Unlike Kotetsu , Ash actually use various tactic in his battle rather then only using Brute force !
Further less , Ash may did some stupidity but he have pay a prize for his every mistake !
His first League conference happen to be a example !
He had suffer terrible humiliation for his mistake there !
No other character suffer that much Humiliation that Ash suffered !
People were bettering him back then !!!
He wasn't like Kotetsu who get away with everything no matter how many mistake he makes !

Ladies & Gentleman
Breaking News !!!
Ash Beating a complete rookie or A idiot trainer who brought 5 pokemon in a full battle make Ash look too overpower !
Thats why writer comes up with the worst League ever .
If That Ash look too Overpower then doesn't Kotetsu victory also make him look overpower !

Vodor, I never said I wanted Ash to beat Cameron. I feel that this is perfectly fine.

So you're saying you don't want Ash to win, yet you want him to win? What? No, I get it. Ash should at least have a battle against someone with at least a bit more of a serious attitude, such as Virgil, whose battling skills we haven't fully seen yet.

I'm still excited either way for what's to come for Ash in the rest of the Unova League. We only have two weeks to go folks, so sit tight!

Dareen(Milotic): *uses Surf again* Why does he say stuff like this when he has not other information to back it up?

Vodor, I never said I wanted Ash to beat Cameron. I feel that this is perfectly fine.

So you're saying you don't want Ash to win, yet you want him to win? What? No, I get it. Ash should at least have a battle against someone with at least a bit more of a serious attitude, such as Virgil, whose battling skills we haven't fully seen yet.

I'm still excited either way for what's to come for Ash in the rest of the Unova League. We only have two weeks to go folks, so sit tight!

Dareen(Milotic): *uses Surf again* Why does he say stuff like this when he has not other information to back it up?

Me: I have no idea, but hopefully, he'll shut up for now.

Seriously , What are you even reading ???
I don't want Ash to win the League but that doesn't mean I want Ash to lose to a complete idiot who bring only 5 pokemon in a full battle and Downgraded !