The guy was 1-4 in the playoffs after Elway. He did NOTHING during a very long stretch. And he had some of the worst defenses in the league during his tenure. Joe Gibbs won twice as many victories in his short time back than SHanahan did in, what, 10 or 11 years with a program that HE built? Sorry, your not gonna tell me because Shanahan was not the GM, that he didn't make the personell decisions in Denver. I lived there, and the guy had the last word, every Bronco fan knew it. Its just he couldn't do squat with the team that he himself built, and after 3 years here, name something other than RG3 that he has accomplished.

why are you lumping kerrigan and griff together in your trade for gabbert scenario?

Instead of drafting Gabbert, we traded down and let Gabbert go to Jax. Our lower first round pick we got from Jax in that trade netted us Kerrigan. If we do draft Gabbert instead of trading down for Kerigan, we DO NOT go after RG3 since we already have our young QB.

Every team has nice pieces, even the Browns and raiders do. Touting his first round picks as reason to be optimistic, well, okay, but i'd say the percentage of him drafting a good player in that round is fairly high. He did pick up Alfred Morris though, so I will give him that. And Hankerson looks ok, but his drafting record here at the skins isn't glorious by any means, and of course he can't miss on all of them. Hiring Haslett as DC, was that a good move? Its putting those few pieces that he does have together and building a winner that counts, and sorry, but other than RG3, I don't think this squad is any closer to a perennial contender than we were 3 years ago. It hasn't shown in the win loss column, thats for sure, and like i've said before, when are you all going to get tired of, "next year is our year, thats when we will really see progress." BTW, the Arizona cardinals are doing fairly well, and noone thought they were going to do squat before the season. NOONE. Shanahan, I'm afraid to say, is looking more and more like a has been that is coaching off of credentials from over a decade ago, sorry to say.

I've never seen so many talk about Cleveland like this lol hell their fans should just join us

But keep it in perspective. The point is how they stack up against us? Not how they stack up against the rest of the nfl. I dont think anybody is saying they are going to the playoffs We are going to find out thats for sure. Its just that two weeks ago this was not even a discussion. The thing i cant figure out about us as a team is that for as long as i remember we were in close games that we lost and it was always because we didnt have a qb. Now it appears as though we are losing close games and they are only close BECAUSE we have a qb?? Wtf??

But keep it in perspective. The point is how they stack up against us? Not how they stack up against the rest of the nfl. I dont think anybody is saying they are going to the playoffs We are going to find out thats for sure. Its just that two weeks ago this was not even a discussion. The thing i cant figure out about us as a team is that for as long as i remember we were in close games that we lost and it was always because we didnt have a qb. Now it appears as though we are losing close games and they are only close BECAUSE we have a qb?? Wtf??

Im not trying to drive shanny out of town but his record is what it is. Wins and losses are all that matter. I hope that rg3 is the start of good things i hope we win 10 games this year and next year challenge for bigger things But lets just say he wins five this year and oh six next year? Than is it ok to debate how good he is? I mean at what point do things have to translate to w's. Other teams have turned things around a hell of alot faster.

What other teams are these you speak of? What was the talent level with that particular coach compared to what our coach inherited. Please get back with specifics. Thanks.

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