I like seeing Dayne Crist on the list. Played under Charlie Weiss and I think his arm strength has gotten better. If Mallett is traded I'd like to see him added to the mix to compete for the backup job. Maybe put him on the PS for a year

One thing that stikes me is that there's only a couple of players on that list who seem like a #29. I think there's a few that I could see going in the top 15, some in the 25-30 range, but the majority look like 2-3 rounders and beyond. Maybe BB plans on dropping out of the 1st and picking up additional picks.

I noticed that too and wondered the same if he plans to trade back. The list kills me in that you still never know what he's going to do based on it. If only I could be a fly on his wall for a day(sigh)

not sure, but im wondering if i saw him on a list at some point (contact wtih pats).

whats our % rate signing players we have no contact with over the bb era jj?

I don't think our % rate is that good when it comes to the early rounds. Meaning, I don't think the guys we pick are usually found on any list of contact between BB and them. He's usually pretty stealthy.

Lets get the Tom Brady story right! First of all he went to Michigan where when he arrived he was 7th QB on their depth chart, and they also had an incumbant QB named Griese who led his team to an undefeated season the year TB arrived,after he left Tom started at QB every game his last two years, year one he broke school records for passes attempted and completed and led his team to the Citrus bowl over Arkansas in 1998. He also led his team to the Orange Bowl win over SEC powerhouse Alabama in 1999. Just so you know all this is availible on wikipedia. In the win over Alabama in overtime, TB threw for a total of 369 yrds and 4 TDS. So yeah his college career he stunk!Shoot even as a high School Sophmore he averaged 200 yards a game tossing the rock. He also was a former draft choice of the Montreal Expos 18th rd pk.

Lets get the Tom Brady story right! First of all he went to Michigan where when he arrived he was 7th QB on their depth chart, and they also had an incumbant QB named Griese who led his team to an undefeated season the year TB arrived,after he left Tom started at QB every game his last two years, year one he broke school records for passes attempted and completed and led his team to the Citrus bowl over Arkansas in 1998. He also led his team to the Orange Bowl win over SEC powerhouse Alabama in 1999. Just so you know all this is availible on wikipedia. In the win over Alabama in overtime, TB threw for a total of 369 yrds and 4 TDS. So yeah his college career he stunk!Shoot even as a high School Sophmore he averaged 200 yards a game tossing the rock. He also was a former draft choice of the Montreal Expos 18th rd pk.

TB wasn't a 6th round pick for no reason. He had to share playing time with Drew Henson and teams were a bit afraid that if he couldn't hold onto a college team's starting spot, how on earth could he do it in the pros.

The only thing I'd be cautious of with Tank is he would be a 1st round pick and the main reason takes those players is because the value of those players is much higher then the spots they were taken at. Tank was always considered a mid to late 1st round pick with teens upside so getting him at #29 wouldn't present lots of value. Now if something similar to Gronk happened where the Pats traded back and Tank ended up being in the mid 2nd round then I can see them taking him. But going through the list:

Lets get the Tom Brady story right! First of all he went to Michigan where when he arrived he was 7th QB on their depth chart, and they also had an incumbant QB named Griese who led his team to an undefeated season the year TB arrived,after he left Tom started at QB every game his last two years, year one he broke school records for passes attempted and completed and led his team to the Citrus bowl over Arkansas in 1998. He also led his team to the Orange Bowl win over SEC powerhouse Alabama in 1999. Just so you know all this is availible on wikipedia. In the win over Alabama in overtime, TB threw for a total of 369 yrds and 4 TDS. So yeah his college career he stunk!Shoot even as a high School Sophmore he averaged 200 yards a game tossing the rock. He also was a former draft choice of the Montreal Expos 18th rd pk.

TB wasn't a 6th round pick for no reason. He had to share playing time with Drew Henson and teams were a bit afraid that if he couldn't hold onto a college team's starting spot, how on earth could he do it in the pros.

That is absolutely true. However, this is less a refelction of Tom Brady. It is bigger a reflection on the fact that his head coach was a bit clueless and could not see what he had.

As far as I recall, during that time period, Michigan was always one of the top schools for recruiting class year in and year out and should have been steam rolling through their schedules with regularity but I never thought thier coach was really any good and simply a product of having the better talent.

Again, if my recollection is correct, the coach often lost most of his tough games vs evenly matched levels of talent.

As you can see for yourself in those Brady 6 videos, Mooch points out that TB's head coach did not stand up and pound the desk for TB. He had no clue. None.

Interesting report. We all knew Mathieu failed drug tests but 10 of them? We also knew the most recent one was a failed drug rehab stint in Oct. When you combine the two however, it makes a strong case that Mathieu can't help himself and will fall right back into drug use. With this new knowledge I'm thinking Mathieu is going to take a Dennard type of fall. Some team might grab him early day 3 hoping to get their own version of Dennard but I don't think he's going to go day 2 anymore. 10 drug failures along with a failed drug rehab stint in the last year, how could you shoot yourself in the foot like that when you had the talent to be a fring 1st round player:

Specifically, Mathieu reportedly said he "quit counting" at 10. It's a staggering number, but Mathieu swears he's moved on, and been drug-free since October. He just needs one team to believe him. Mathieu isn't expected to come off the board before the third round.
Source:USA Today Apr 12 - 11:13 AM

Interesting report. We all knew Mathieu failed drug tests but 10 of them? We also knew the most recent one was a failed drug rehab stint in Oct. When you combine the two however, it makes a strong case that Mathieu can't help himself and will fall right back into drug use. With this new knowledge I'm thinking Mathieu is going to take a Dennard type of fall. Some team might grab him early day 3 hoping to get their own version of Dennard but I don't think he's going to go day 2 anymore. 10 drug failures along with a failed drug rehab stint in the last year, how could you shoot yourself in the foot like that when you had the talent to be a fring 1st round player

Wow, good info PE... I agree... Day 3 would prob be his ceiling for BB/NC.

I haven't been paying as much attention to the draft this year as I have in the past. The Wilson pick last year really soured me. Anyways, I am sure this has been discussed already but what would it take for the Pats to get the Browns 1st rounder. I hear they like Mallet. Would Mallet and the 29 pick do it? Or would it take Mallet, #29 and a top pick in 2014?

My thinking is obvious - with TB having 4-5 years left the Pats need impact players, not more Dowlings and Braces etc. How cool would it be to get a Milliner or Ansah on draft day. Screw it BB, go for the gold, the clock is ticking.

Pass on Mathieu unless he falls to the 7th like dennard , then more than worth the risk.

i wouldnt touch him with a 3rd...heck, maybe we wont have a 3rd come Sunday .

Agree. Heck, if the Sanders deal works out, we may not even have a 3rd anyway. I hope we get him. I think Emanual Sanders would be a great fit here. If we do end up with a 3rd one way or another, I'm fairly sure that there will be a better CB on the board than Mathieu at that point anyway. Worth the risk in the 6th or 7th, but not much before that. 10 failed drug tests??? That's a major red flag if I ever saw one...

I haven't been paying as much attention to the draft this year as I have in the past. The Wilson pick last year really soured me. Anyways, I am sure this has been discussed already but what would it take for the Pats to get the Browns 1st rounder. I hear they like Mallet. Would Mallet and the 29 pick do it? Or would it take Mallet, #29 and a top pick in 2014?

My thinking is obvious - with TB having 4-5 years left the Pats need impact players, not more Dowlings and Braces etc. How cool would it be to get a Milliner or Ansah on draft day. Screw it BB, go for the gold, the clock is ticking.

In theory Mallett and #29 should be enough for #6. Mallett was a top 15 pick before his off-field issues dropped him badly. Now that those off-field issues are no longer a concern his value should be somewhere between a 20-50 pick in trade value.

But of course it all depends on how Clev would value Mallett. If they don't see him having the same value then you'd have to toss more into the pot to get the pick. At that range though, only Star to me seems like he's worth moving up for

Interesting report. We all knew Mathieu failed drug tests but 10 of them? We also knew the most recent one was a failed drug rehab stint in Oct. When you combine the two however, it makes a strong case that Mathieu can't help himself and will fall right back into drug use. With this new knowledge I'm thinking Mathieu is going to take a Dennard type of fall. Some team might grab him early day 3 hoping to get their own version of Dennard but I don't think he's going to go day 2 anymore. 10 drug failures along with a failed drug rehab stint in the last year, how could you shoot yourself in the foot like that when you had the talent to be a fring 1st round player:

Specifically, Mathieu reportedly said he "quit counting" at 10. It's a staggering number, but Mathieu swears he's moved on, and been drug-free since October. He just needs one team to believe him. Mathieu isn't expected to come off the board before the third round. Source:USA Today Apr 12 - 11:13 AM

BB is fine with people who made mistake sin their young life. I am not sure he'll be willing to take someone who has shown inability to elarn from their mistakes.

On the writer's point that he just needs one team to believe him... I think more than two teams would believe him if he were 2-3 inches taller. A lot of people in the league already take his height against him. With this info, might indded pull him down.

thanks PatEng, you always give a thoughtful response. I would put Star up there to with Milliner and Ansah as high inpact players worth the price. But I suspect the conservative approach will prevail with Pats brass crossing fingers Carradine is there and if not they trade down.

thanks PatEng, you always give a thoughtful response. I would put Star up there to with Milliner and Ansah as high inpact players worth the price. But I suspect the conservative approach will prevail with Pats brass crossing fingers Carradine is there and if not they trade down.

I'd put Ansah in the mix too not sure about Milliner. Milliner is a good player but might be a bit overhyped because of the weak top end talent at CB. It's a very good CB draft in day 2 but not a lot of elite talent. Milliner to me is a top 5 CB in most drafts which would put him in the 15-30 range. It should speak volumes that Rhodes is considered a late 1st round talent and was once thought of as a possible Pats pick, but because of the lack of talent and CB needy teams he most likely will be a top 15 pick and will deffinitely be a top 20. Don't get me wrong, Milliner is a great player but not for the 6th pick overall. To me that's reserved for players with the potential to be top 10 maybe top 5 at their respective position and I'm not sure Milliner fits in the catagory

That is absolutely true. However, this is less a refelction of Tom Brady. It is bigger a reflection on the fact that his head coach was a bit clueless and could not see what he had.

As far as I recall, during that time period, Michigan was always one of the top schools for recruiting class year in and year out and should have been steam rolling through their schedules with regularity but I never thought thier coach was really any good and simply a product of having the better talent.

Again, if my recollection is correct, the coach often lost most of his tough games vs evenly matched levels of talent.

As you can see for yourself in those Brady 6 videos, Mooch points out that TB's head coach did not stand up and pound the desk for TB. He had no clue. None.

I totally agree Low. I think Brady was developing into a great player in college and was handed a raw deal. Henson was a Michigan star athlete that was thrust into the starting position at Brady's expense. Either way, he lost valuable playing time and was overlooked by everyone, including BB. If BB knew what he was getting, he would've picked Brady in the 1st round.

The only thing I'd be cautious of with Tank is he would be a 1st round pick and the main reason takes those players is because the value of those players is much higher then the spots they were taken at. Tank was always considered a mid to late 1st round pick with teens upside so getting him at #29 wouldn't present lots of value. Now if something similar to Gronk happened where the Pats traded back and Tank ended up being in the mid 2nd round then I can see them taking him. But going through the list: