and the crusaders or harlaquins are getting a licence when the attendence tonite was 1122

i honestly think this is a joke to super league and rugby as a sport if only the RFL will get the fact that wales or london doesnt want rugby league where as the heartland countys do. to chuck out a team like wakefield or castleford when these two have just had an attendence like this is a joke to super league

Crusaders total home attendances have broken last years already with still two home games to go. I would say that was a positive step in the right direction. With HKR and Saints good away support there total will be well up.

i honestly think this is a joke to super league and rugby as a sport if only the RFL will get the fact that wales or london doesnt want rugby league where as the heartland countys do. to chuck out a team like wakefield or castleford when these two have just had an attendence like this is a joke to super league

You do realise it was played in Neath right?

Please improve your grammar, capital letters go at the beginning of sentences and full stops go at the end.

i honestly think this is a joke to super league and rugby as a sport if only the RFL will get the fact that wales or london doesnt want rugby league where as the heartland countys do. to chuck out a team like wakefield or castleford when these two have just had an attendence like this is a joke to super league

This is an Internet forum , notThe Times. Style, grammar, puncuation, speeling etc are not that important, in my opinion, as long as the meaning is clear. However, a bit of knowledge, some research and a smattering of intellecutal rigour would not go amis. There is no shortage, though, of peer review, as nath155 has just witnessed.

i honestly think this is a joke to super league and rugby as a sport if only the RFL will get the fact that wales or london doesnt want rugby league where as the heartland countys do. to chuck out a team like wakefield or castleford when these two have just had an attendence like this is a joke to super league

And the attendance for wakefield v quins 130 miles from their home ground would be?

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This is an Internet forum , notThe Times. Style, grammar, puncuation, speeling etc are not that important, in my opinion, as long as the meaning is clear. However, a bit of knowledge, some research and a smattering of intellecutal rigour would not go amis. There is no shortage, though, of peer review, as nath155 has just witnessed.

Aye but decent punctuation helps make the meaning clear. Thats it purpose, innit?

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It is a very strange time.The journey from west london by train didn't look too bad so I may have gone by train if had been on saturday but I was working on friday. Does anyone know reason?

Cos you've got a job?

There are rumours flying about that it is an attempt to justify not playing any more fixtures in Neath by making them unviable. I don't know of any truth behind that theory, it's probably wild guesses.

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Yes, but 6pm on a workday seems a strange time to rearrange it for IMO. Not the best bit of planning I've ever seen.

Fair enough. Playing in south wales was a promise kept when the club changed hands. Should we have forfeited on that promise? Either way whats done is done and i agree that next year needs the club to play a decent regular slot, every two weeks in wrexham alone.

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i honestly think this is a joke to super league and rugby as a sport if only the RFL will get the fact that wales or london doesnt want rugby league where as the heartland countys do. to chuck out a team like wakefield or castleford when these two have just had an attendence like this is a joke to super league

Can I ask how you come to the conclusion that Wales and London don't want Rugby League? Have you asked anyone in those places, maybe done some research? Or are you simply basing it on last nights attendance?

The Crusaders club has only been going for 5 seasons, during which time they have had to change location. Last nights game was played, for whatever reason, in Neath some 130 miles away from their home. The attendance was always going to be low. Lets judge them on next season when, I assume, they'll play all their games at Wrexham.

Harlequins are a victim of short-term management and under funding, not lack of interest. The London club moving grounds all over the capital, coupled with the adaption of a Rugby Union linked identity have not helped either. And of course, they are running bottom of the table.

The development of the game at junior level in both London and Wales has been astounding. Wales can now match England at junior level, and success will attract more youngsters into the game. The potential for development in London is endless, as shown in the young lads coming through the ranks at the Quins. How many local lads play for Wakefield?

You mention heartland clubs, but surely by your own criteria Salford are a joke. They've had over 120 years to build interest in RL, and yet they struggle on crowds of 4,000 or so. Wakefield themselves have only recently started to build attendance. In 2006 they were getting gates as low as 3,000. Was that because there was a lack of interest in RL in the city?

I suspect, as with so many people on here who are quick to point the finger at expansion teams, this is all boils down to self-interest. Let's throw out the interlopers so we can keep RL a 'northern' sport so it can remain like it's always been. So long as my club can get into SL, I'm alright. Never mind the consequences for the long term future of the sport. Small clubs who have had over a century of support, money and most importantly time, to build a strong business but who, for the most part, have failed.

And then there's this notion of the 'heartland county's'. That'll be West Yorkshire, Hull, West Cumbria and parts of South Lancashire. The rest of Lancashire couldn't care less about the sport.

But people choose to overlook all that, and decide to pick on the newcomers. The easy targets. If people had spent more time over the years questioning the failings of the 'heartland' clubs, the sport might just of progressed a bit further at professional level than it has.