So... Since I will never have the chance to play on a decent RO Server anymore because every server nowadays is s*** or dies after 2 months of launch or something like that, Im going to post some of my builds and guilds. Also a Full tank MVP champ was requested some days ago.I've spent time to develop this build together with a friend. Also kinda hurts me to make this public. But better for everyone to profit.

Im going to say this: I will make this very quick and easy. This is for people who know RO anyway. if you're a pure noob, then its nothing for you. I will make this very very clear.

Before we begin I need to say that my build is kinda unique because my main focus is not on DEF or MDEF but rather on Perfect Dodge. Yes, you read that correctly. If thats nothing for you, stay out of it.

Question 1: What is a Full tank MVP champ?A full tank MVP champ is a champ who specialized on tanking MVPS for the party.

Question 2: How can champions tank? Arent champions traditionally MVP killers?Many people dont even know that champions were also designed as a tank class - yes you can play champion both as tank AND MVP killer. Champions have the best tank skill, called steel body.

Question 3: Why Luk/perfect dodge for champion? Because people who can wear vlakyries garment can get a high percentage of perfect dodge. And Perfect dodge means that you dodge a attack of an enemy completly. Many people underestimate the role of perfect dodge sadly. It makes tanking very easy. You can outpot mvps without any problems.

I just want to tell: This here is a generic style Tank. Its a build for tanking many mvps without changing much.This guide is perfect dodge based. I know that you can reduce the dmg even more, but thats not necessary in most cases.

Stats:Im making the stats not fixed, just give roughly values.STR: 30-40: Now you will ask why STR? Because you need weight for item foods and Champion doesnt have a peco peco.VIT: 99. You need to reach Max HP in order to survive attacks.INT: at least 50 Int. You need soft MDEF.LUK: At least 70 LUK for high perfect dodge.You need only these 4 stats.

Equip: I've made many versions of equip. Here Im going to post two of them.Also dont forget: That you can always equip better when facing different MVPS. Like fire elemental against ifrit or stone buckler against large sized enemies. Also there are better variants like Stone Buckler when facing large MVPS etc. Note that.Also thanks to Zereges for remembering to name holy robe as a armor when facing demons such as s morroc or sieger.

Headgear: Friggs Circlet +7/8/9/10: Reason why: for MDEF reasons, try to to refine it as high as possible.Heargear: Sunglasses with gibbet card. Reasony why: Gibbet gives MDEF + 5. Or you can you Grand Peco Card for Vit and DEF, but it must be in combination with peco peco card.Armor: Diabolus robe + Peco peco card for HP reasons.Mace [4] with 4 lunatic cards for perfect dodge reasons.Valkyrie shield with a alice card for reductions reasons. Try to refine valk shield as high as possible.valk mantle + raydric card. Valk mantle is one of your most important gears. Its for perfect dodge reasons. Try to refine it at least to +7. Raydric card is for reduction reasons.Variant shoes for maximum amount of HP.On acessories there are many many variants what you can use: But you need to use always yoyo cards for perfect dodge. The accesories should give you at least mdef, def, luk or perfect dodge and should be slotted.You can use: Linen Glove [1], Pinguicula Corsage [1], Rosary [1], Cursed Hand [1].I used 2 rosaries with 2 yoyo cards for mdef and perfect dodge.Well, you can also use 2x Alligator Card for acessories if you already have high perfect dodge.

My second variant is to use Odin's Blessing [1] with peco peco card instead of diab robe. If you use that alongside friggs circlet, valk shield you get a nice MDEF Combo.Also you can use gibbet card for your sunglasses instead of a grand peco peco card.You can also use Long Mace

as a weapon for reduced long range damage.

Also, against ifrit you should wear fire elemental armor.

Always try to get a balance of high HP, perfect dodge, MDEF and DEF. Thats the key.

Items: When I go Tanking, I use assumpito scrolls, 500/600x mastela fruit for healing, also Schwartzwald Pine Jubilee for more perfect dodge. Also Luk+10 food. Try not to forget to bless and agi yourself.When you teleport in the map and you find the mvp, go near the mvp via body relocation, use steel body and have fun. Or try to make someone else lure the mvp to you.

Who can you tank? I tanked ifrit, satan morroc, naight sieger on my own. Was very very easy.

Video proof of the build/guide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrhRftF4mHY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrhRftF4mHY)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNkdTDz6aHA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNkdTDz6aHA)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnYks_ukjyQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnYks_ukjyQ)Have fun. The video is not mine, it belongs to a friend of mine. Also, against ifrit you should wear fire elemental armor.

PD Tank champs are really surfacing these days. Let me add some things because I feel I really need to say these.

Cons of Perfect Dodge (This Build In Particular):

1. Yes it is a good way to avoid damage but that doesn't mean it's superior in all situations. PD is for dodging basic attacks (no s*** Sherlock) but not Physical skills such as Sonic Blow (You can see it on his Ifrit Vid). I highly doubt you can solo tank Ifrit with power-up and Sonic Blow you and other MVPs who have power-up and magical skills.

2. The stats are distributed among Vit, Int, Luk, and Str. It lacks a vital and most important stat while raiding in a deep dungeon or a high tower, Dex. You need to re-cast fast in order for you to tank. I'm guessing (with this build) it takes 10-15 secs to re-buff Steel Body. Although you can cover that with Devotion and Spamming SW. But in most cases, you would need to re-buff fast or else your party is wiped.

Now regarding the equipment, I get that you high-refined your gears but it's useless to Steel Body. I read Zereges posted in another thread about this (and I expect him to post here too, to add some stuff), you don't need them while in Steel Body. Well, if you aren't in one, it is useful. In short, the Hard Def bonus does not stack with Steel Body

While soft def/mdef does work on Steel Body, I'd rather stick with elemental/race reductions than adding on those. For those who are reading and doesn't get what I mean about soft and hard def, here's a reference (http://www.dark-ro.net/forum/topic/175580-defense-discussion/). (No server advertisement intended. It's the simplest explanation about hard and soft def I could remember :P.)

Yes, I know that perfect dodge is for normal physical attacks, but I can solo Ifrit with that build even without assumpito. Same for Satan morroc. You can take his sonic blow anyway. And most of the time you get normal damage by him and his monster. And I think its a great way to avoid damage in general. Maybe I should also make a build just for pure damage reduction, but there isnt much gear/cards left for that. The only thing that comes to my mind now is proxy skin and some cards. And I also dont know any other headgear besides circlet.

I always stick with high refinement equip, even if I dont need them. I don't know, they just look better :))) I know about the stacks, the equip I posted is primarily because of the effects. Valk mantle needs to be refined high because of the effect, the others are high because you should also survive when you arent in your steel body stance and when you need to walk around the map because of the monsters here and there. Also high refine looks much much cooler. Most of the damage you take is physical attacks anyway. Thats also why I kept Int low.For the DEX: I never needed dex, the only cast that takes long is dangerous soul collect and you only do that once or twice. Steel body takes also takes long, but it cant be interrupted. You can use phen card for dangerous soul collect or you can just use body reolocation to go to a safe spot and cast your skill. You can also do that before you go into a dungeon. I just use dangerous collect, critical explosion when Im in the town. Btw. the high refinement and MDEF variant was for situations where you're not in your steel body status. I should have said that.

Yes I did mention that your gear is not entirely useless when you aren't on Steel Body. Nice preference on the refined gears, I also know someone who likes high refined gears (he said "it's appealing to the eye when you press ALT + Q").

Have you had people kill Ifrit (or other High Tier MVPs) or at least bringing him down to <20% HP with you? He does crazy things.

And yes most of the attacks you take maybe physical, but it's not the scariest attacks. Earthquake is still a pain in the donkey no matter what build you have.

Yes I did mention that your gear is not entirely useless when you aren't on Steel Body. Nice preference on the refined gears, I also know someone who likes high refined gears (he said "it's appealing to the eye when you press ALT + Q").

Have you had people kill Ifrit (or other High Tier MVPs) or at least bringing him down to <20% HP with you? He does crazy things.

And yes most of the attacks you take maybe physical, but it's not the scariest attacks. Earthquake is still a pain in the donkey no matter what build you have.

I personally didint harm him, others killed him.You can "escape" earthquake by teleporting or using flywings :))))))))Or just kill him fast by preparing some heavy asura strikes.Or let a priest wait off the screen to resurrect the dead ones.

Ah. Yes you can do that. Unless if you are in an instance. Asuras, well, currently the best or gayest tactic my friend ever came up with was to Ice Wall Asura. We made a video of it a couple of days ago.

Here it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iial6x6tTLI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iial6x6tTLI)

We did it on Ifrit as well.

I prefer to tank them honestly. Or else the "tank" role would be of naught in these cases. and the latter which you state:

Nice video. For me randgris is still the strongest MVP in classic Ro. I dont know why, she is very very hard to tank. Also her skills. Almost impossible. Andh er dispell.. Impossible to dodge without mvp card.Yes, thanks, my english is not so good, this is why I edit much.

For anyone reading this thread to this point, I would personally NOT suggest to use this build.

First of all, the main reason why this build is considered god by OP is perfect dodge. Let me explain.Consider bosses, which are dangerous - namely Satan Morroc, Ifrit, Beelzebub, Naght Sieger, BioMVP, Valkyrie Randgris, Nydhoggur. All other bosses are weak either in damage, or by their health.

You probably would not tank Valkyrie nor Nydhoggur, unless you have GTB, since they both have dispell so I am not considering them at all. Unmorphed beelzebub is weak. Only reason why it is considered strong is its Spiral Pierce and tons of minions with different race.

Now, Perfect dodge works ONLY on normal attack, which is something MVP do not use that much, becuase they usually have tons of skills dealing much higher damage. Normal attack contributes with quite low percentage to whole damage recieved. I have not done any calculations up to this point (regarding this) and it would be quite complicated to calculate (skill, chance, cast time, delay) but just try to tank ifrit for a while. With 100% hp, he does ~7 hits between each Sonic Blows. Those 8 hits would do ~106k unreduced damage and single sonic blow (he has level 1 though) does ~70k unreduced damage (I am not considering his Meteor storm since he also casts Land protector frequently). Which means, that on 100% hp, about 40% of its damage is not reduced by PD at all (while sacrificing other "stats"). At 80% he gets fire breath, at 60% Pulse strike, at 40% quake. And I am not considering fact, that during his 1s Meteor Storm cast time, he does not attack you, but his cooldowns are recharged. At 40% you are recieving something like ~2 hits per skill (Sonic Blow, Fire Breath, Pulse Strike) where each skill does much higher damage than basic attack. About 70% of its damage is not reduced by PD at this point. Simillar think goes for all high end bosses.

Next thing is DEX. With zero dex, your cast time sux. You would need phen card even at high dexterity, but at ~25 dex which is what you get from bless and job bonus, you have to cast Spheres + Steel Body for about than 7.5seconds not considering aspd delay after zen, getting you to more than 8seconds to recast steel body. That would be really tough 8 seconds. You said, you can Snap away and recast it there, but who would tank the mvp in that time? In endless tower, this is essential. Somewhere else, it is great great bonus.

Next thing is HardMDEF. Steel body gives you 90, which is unaffected by equip (same as HardDEF) so why would anyone get equip with mdef at all?

These are main issues with your way to play in my opinion.

I would not ever think about making pure tank champion, because it is useless in my opinion. I have tanked all bosses with pure mvp champion with equip switched and suffered only from not having stun proof, which was solved by priest taking care of me during recast. You want to have devotion paladin for obvious reasons (health, guard, defender).

EDIT:Valkyrie is tank-able but with different classNon powerup earthquake is tank-able with few characters on screenPowerup earthquake requires ghosts/devils for key characters (tank + one priest) and few characters on screen.

Btw: Just wanna say. the tank guide and the equip + the stats were designed for a general-purpose on MVPS. Of course in the video, you could clearly see that one could equip better and more specific for certain enemies. But I wanted to present a generic type of equip which which one could tank many type of different MVPS without switching much gear.But I also mentioned indirectly that you can gear up better for certain situations as I said that fire elemental is necessary when facing ifrit. It makes clear that you can also do that when facing other MVPS.And from the video you saw, that this build had no problems tanking the different MVPS altough they can be considered as one of the strongest of classic RO. Tanking Ifrit and Satan morroc was possible even without assumpito. Of course he was at 100%, but in real you're not alone and you have party behind you. So, it served its purpose. Well, I didint test against beelzebub and also not against BIO bosses.Yes, your right, since I didint want to make MVP card based build, I left Nidghog and Valk out.

Your whole build is more specific on each MVP. Of course against Ifrit you equip differently then against Bio Bosses. For BIO bosses you could use Battlegrounds + beret + gentlemens pipe for ultimate reduction. Maybe I should have said this but I wanted to keep it generic and show that you can tank strong MVPS even without much changng.Btw. In your equipment you used many gears that are not available in every server. I could also name more and stronger gear like Helm Of Abyss but its not on every server, I only choose those who are undoubtedly in every server.If the boss is not dead in 150 seconds, you can either use a offtank or cast safety wall on the user, devotion etc. etc.Also, when you dont find PD necessary, Im fine with that.

Of course pure tanks are necessary. Do you wanna make me honestly believe that a MVP chamption (Hee needs STR, high DEX, some Int) can also do Tank job? I mean, even if have different concepts, we agree, that he needs Very high Vit? Where should that come from?I dont want to be weak Asura or a weak Tank, instead I be a good MVP killer or a good tank.

OF course earthquake is tankable. It also is effected by homonculus, if you have a lot of them, you can survive.

Of course pure tanks are necessary. Do you wanna make me honestly believe that a MVP chamption (Hee needs STR, high DEX, some Int) can also do Tank job? I mean, even if have different concepts, we agree, that he needs Very high Vit? Where should that come from?I dont want to be weak Asura or a weak Tank, instead I be a good MVP killer or a good tank.

you have +7 from stats (70luk), 4 from weapon, 2*5 from yoyos a 5+2xref valk manteau ; I said I can take yoyos and weapon too, so you are left with valk manteau and stats, which is about 15-25 depending on refine.

Nice video. For me randgris is still the strongest MVP in classic Ro. I dont know why, she is very very hard to tank. Also her skills. Almost impossible. Andh er dispell.. Impossible to dodge without mvp card.Yes, thanks, my english is not so good, this is why I edit much.

Thank you. In MVPs like Randris, I tend to use LK as a tank. and I didn't mean you about the editing, it was on my last post. I was sleepy while writing them. And a wonderful elaboration by Zereges. I expected nothing less.

On the subject of Earthquake tanking, a hit can be blocked by Kaupe. So instead of taking 3 hits, you only get 2. It also divides among Mercenaries as well. I don't know if it divides on summoned plants by creators. (I need to test on that) The range also affects the damage. The farther you are, the lesser damage you take.

You can watch the video by using a proxy or a VPN, although it will load very slow.

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Post by: ggwp on Nov 02, 2016, 03:59 AM

No one mention Snowier Card ?2 Snowier Card make Ice Cream heal as high as White Potion. Whats better than cheap recovery items for build that only focus on taking hits ?

No one mention Snowier Card ?2 Snowier Card make Ice Cream heal as high as White Potion. Whats better than cheap recovery items for build that only focus on taking hits ?

I guess it's worth using when you solo tank. Most of the time, if you tank hard MVPs you would have Devotion on you. Having Eye of Dullahan or 2 Yoyo cards would be better IMO.

Adding to solo tanking. I like having a Ring of Resonance with me since it would auto-cast Assumptio, or Heal (I love using it against Vesper), together with an Dring carded with Snowier. And as you mentioned the heals from using ice cream is quite a lot.

For anyone reading this thread to this point, I would personally NOT suggest to use this build.

First of all, the main reason why this build is considered god by OP is perfect dodge. Let me explain.Consider bosses, which are dangerous - namely Satan Morroc, Ifrit, Beelzebub, Naght Sieger, BioMVP, Valkyrie Randgris, Nydhoggur. All other bosses are weak either in damage, or by their health.

You probably would not tank Valkyrie nor Nydhoggur, unless you have GTB, since they both have dispell so I am not considering them at all. Unmorphed beelzebub is weak. Only reason why it is considered strong is its Spiral Pierce and tons of minions with different race.

Now, Perfect dodge works ONLY on normal attack, which is something MVP do not use that much, becuase they usually have tons of skills dealing much higher damage. Normal attack contributes with quite low percentage to whole damage recieved. I have not done any calculations up to this point (regarding this) and it would be quite complicated to calculate (skill, chance, cast time, delay) but just try to tank ifrit for a while. With 100% hp, he does ~7 hits between each Sonic Blows. Those 8 hits would do ~106k unreduced damage and single sonic blow (he has level 1 though) does ~70k unreduced damage (I am not considering his Meteor storm since he also casts Land protector frequently). Which means, that on 100% hp, about 40% of its damage is not reduced by PD at all (while sacrificing other "stats"). At 80% he gets fire breath, at 60% Pulse strike, at 40% quake. And I am not considering fact, that during his 1s Meteor Storm cast time, he does not attack you, but his cooldowns are recharged. At 40% you are recieving something like ~2 hits per skill (Sonic Blow, Fire Breath, Pulse Strike) where each skill does much higher damage than basic attack. About 70% of its damage is not reduced by PD at this point. Simillar think goes for all high end bosses.

Next thing is DEX. With zero dex, your cast time sux. You would need phen card even at high dexterity, but at ~25 dex which is what you get from bless and job bonus, you have to cast Spheres + Steel Body for about than 7.5seconds not considering aspd delay after zen, getting you to more than 8seconds to recast steel body. That would be really tough 8 seconds. You said, you can Snap away and recast it there, but who would tank the mvp in that time? In endless tower, this is essential. Somewhere else, it is great great bonus.

Next thing is HardMDEF. Steel body gives you 90, which is unaffected by equip (same as HardDEF) so why would anyone get equip with mdef at all?

These are main issues with your way to play in my opinion.

I would not ever think about making pure tank champion, because it is useless in my opinion. I have tanked all bosses with pure mvp champion with equip switched and suffered only from not having stun proof, which was solved by priest taking care of me during recast. You want to have devotion paladin for obvious reasons (health, guard, defender).

EDIT:Valkyrie is tank-able but with different classNon powerup earthquake is tank-able with few characters on screenPowerup earthquake requires ghosts/devils for key characters (tank + one priest) and few characters on screen.

Forgot to tell: Thank you for naming Holy Robe, completly forget its existence. I edited my original post.I've also tried your build with the same MVPS. I survived it. But it was a lot harder because I need to consume many many pots. I do feel that its much harder to tank without PD. Feels kinda unsafe for me.I equipped Holy Robe and Stone bukler against demons monsters with that one the damage I take and the damage you take isnt that much of a difference. I also made a hybrid version between my build and yours and did some testings here and there. Its hard for me to separate myself completly form Perfect Dodge because I favour PD :))You should also mention that you need to much much more pots with your build because you get hit almost everytime.Can you tell me what Hyegun Hat and where someone gets it? Because I see the gear for the first time and I dont remember them on the servers I played. Is it obtained thru quests? Is it on all servers?Btw. do you wear orleans gown when tanking?Thanks for sharing your thoughts, I profited form it.

Forgot to tell: Thank you for naming Holy Robe, completly forget its existence. I edited my original post.I've also tried your build with the same MVPS. I survived it. But it was a lot harder because I need to consume many many pots. I do feel that its much harder to tank without PD. Feels kinda unsafe for me.I equipped Holy Robe and Stone bukler against demons monsters with that one the damage I take and the damage you take isnt that much of a difference. I also made a hybrid version between my build and yours and did some testings here and there. Its hard for me to separate myself completly form Perfect Dodge because I favour PD :))You should also mention that you need to much much more pots with your build because you get hit almost everytime.Can you tell me what Hyegun Hat and where someone gets it? Because I see the gear for the first time and I dont remember them on the servers I played. Is it obtained thru quests? Is it on all servers?Btw. do you wear orleans gown when tanking?Thanks for sharing your thoughts, I profited form it.

In most cases, you will have devotion (which will provide guard), so potions go to paladin anyways.Hyegun Hat is sometimes available, sometimes not, check your server for that.I never wear orlean gown. It is less punishing then phen card in terms of casting time, but you lose armor slot (holy robe). On non demons, it is considerable.

I've never said that my build is better in terms of damage taken. PD would be a bit better (those 15-20 point or what was it), but you can recast steel body, which is something you absolutely need in endless tower.

In most cases, you will have devotion (which will provide guard), so potions go to paladin anyways.Hyegun Hat is sometimes available, sometimes not, check your server for that.I never wear orlean gown. It is less punishing then phen card in terms of casting time, but you lose armor slot (holy robe). On non demons, it is considerable.

I've never said that my build is better in terms of damage taken. PD would be a bit better (those 15-20 point or what was it), but you can recast steel body, which is something you absolutely need in endless tower.

You didint said that but I think that was your goal given from the Equip style. Well, anyway. What do you think about Bio MVPS? Ever tried to tank them with Champion?Because honestly, I never had to deal with them, so no true experience with them...Thats why I am asking. Most people try to lure them into the corner I guess and use ice wall if I remember correctly.Edit: I made some quick tests with my Full tank champion build. I could tank Assasin cross MVP, High Wiz and Seyren. :)) I mean, I got decently fine. Its hard for me to heal myself and keep me alive. But its possible... :) Devotion Paladin would have it a hard time to keep him alive.BIO3 MVP's are hard as f*** because there Mops also do crazy things. Good thing is however there are many demi human reductions things... They also dont have high HP.