Did Twice's popularity come from Sixteen or their visuals?

Frequently debated by Twice fans:Those that say Sixteen brought their popularity: "If it wasn't Sixteen, they wouldn't have gotten attention from the media and gain a fandom."Those that say their visuals brought their popularity: "Their first week sales were only 8K and on the first day, their song almost charted out. Sixteen didn't help. Since Twice started promoting, they gained fans with their visuals."-Pann: Twice's dilemma1. [+68, -8] I think it's visuals. When Twice debuted, I expected them to chart at #1 on Melon but they didn't. Their song climbed back on the chart in January and went up to #6. Doesn't this prove enough that it's their visuals rather than Sixteen?2. [+66, -61] Of course it's Sixteen. Just look at Produce 101, why do you think Somi is so popular?3. [+59, -12] The reason why Twice was able to gain explosive popularity:1) Sixteen - Survival program that attracted fans2) Visuals - 9 members who are all centers3) Tzuyu's Taiwan flag controversy - It was on 9PM news and a global topic, which brought public recognition4. [+31, -0] Then we can say the same thing to other singers that debuted on a show5. [+30, -0] Let's say their popularity came from Sixteen. But still, males wouldn't have liked them if they weren't pretty ㅋㅋㅋ6. [+30, -0] Sixteen 50. Visuals 50. It's half-half.7. [+23, -1] I think they were able to start off with a decent fandom thanks to Sixteen. But they gained more fans after promoting. So it's their visuals.8. [+20, -1] I didn't even know that there was a show called Sixteen. I kept hearing Like Ooh Ahh everywhere so I looked it up. I found out that it's a JYP girl group so I was like, "Oh, they're from JYP~ She's pretty... The center kid is pretty..." and that's how I started liking them ㅋㅋ9. [+18, -0] Sixteen 30. Visuals 70. Their visuals definitely made their song chart higher ㅋㅋㅋ They got recognized on Sixteen.10. [+17, -0] Only fans watched Sixteen though. A lot of people stanned other members that weren't in the debut team. I wouldn't say Twice got popular by Sixteen. People got to know them by their visuals and it made their digital rank go up on the chart. Dahyun is on every eating show these days and she's polite and pretty.