Fifty dead, fifty three injured. Shooter has direct ties to islamic terror, possibly directly to ISIS. obama to speak at 1:30pm. Any bets he does not
call it islamic terror but rather a gun problem in the US?

Obama is going to speak shortly and i bet he calls for more gun control even though this guy was a terrorist.

It will be the same ole "don't judge a peaceful religion by this extremist act"...."Islam is a religion of peace".....then the rest will be all about
gun control, stricter laws, tougher background checks, a national registry, etc. etc.

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
Fifty dead, fifty three injured. Shooter has direct ties to islamic terror, possibly directly to ISIS. obama to speak at 1:30pm. Any bets he does not
call it islamic terror but rather a gun problem in the US?

Or he calls it a hate crime, Alan Grayson already laid that narrative framework earlier today as did the father of the shooter by talking about how
upset his son was by seeing two gay men kissing.

YEah we have relgious freedom but THAt should only be for ACTUAL CITIZENS.

That is one of the craziest things I have ever read.

So tell us which religion or religious preference do you plan on forcing others into ?

I'm not sure why it implies forcing religion onto anybody. If you are here, you have your freedoms because you are a citizen. The COTUS is for
citizens, not everyone else in the world. They do not live under the jurisdiction of the US, and we do not have to treat them as if they
do.

I disagree based on the 14th amendment of our constitution.

A foreign born citizen is still under the main jurisdiction of his or her own country. Foreign tourists do not magically become American simply for
crossing our borders.

So what are you trying to push here with that?

If someone from another country comes here they shouldn't be held accountable to our laws? That is what it reads like.

Anyway, as I already stated based on the 14th amendment of the US constitution you are wrong.

I disagree if your arrest in America and your not at war with our country representing a foreign nation than our laws apply.

due process for a reason.

True. However ISIS and ISIS followers are at war with our country and have been for a long while now.

Due process to all American citizens. Im a staunch defender, and pur gocernment has been circumventing due process a lot. Almost to the point of
tossing the bill of rights in a fire. The bill of rights does not necessarily apply to any foreign nationals we are at war with. This is covered by
the geneva convention.

They have to step their game up and invent it. We can find things in deep space to finding new atoms. We should be able to find a gun in a car. I'm
not talking about the easy invention of manufacturing guns with built in tracking devices but actual scanners at the entrances of gun free zones. As
soon as a gun is picked up by the scanner the police immediately go to stop the person and investigate.

www.dailymail.co.uk...
11dssW
...At least 50 people were killed and 53 others were injured in the shooting.... There were about 320 people inside the club at the time of the
shootings and about 100 people were taken hostage.

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
Fifty dead, fifty three injured. Shooter has direct ties to islamic terror, possibly directly to ISIS. obama to speak at 1:30pm. Any bets he does not
call it islamic terror but rather a gun problem in the US?

Or he calls it a hate crime, Alan Grayson already laid that narrative framework earlier today as did the father of the shooter by talking about how
upset his son was by seeing two gay men kissing.

It's terrorism AND a hate crime.

Terrorism because it's likely religiously motivated (and he swore allegiance to ISIS) and also a hate crime because it specifically targeted gays.

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