yea I have to agree with everyone on this board who stated Obito and Madara's game plan is pretty stupid. I'm sorry, but seeing your childhood crush die is not a justification for destroying reality; not by a mile. Sure it's tragic and I probably would feel bad for Obito if I didn't know he was going to turn into a homicidal monster.

So anyone else think the flashback is over or are we in for more lack luster adventures of Obito?

Thinking about this now. Kakashi gained his fame and some of his abilities from using Obito's sharingan to copy abilities. So shouldn't every Uchiha be able to do this, making that war against the Senju completely in their favor. With all that the sharingan can do, i find it very hard to believe how Harishama and his clan were able to best the Uchiha.

I hope one day we'll learn that Kishi was being threatened to turn Naruto into crap manga, and the bastards who made him do it has been killed or at least captured. After that, I hope he'd begin afresh and turn this manga into something I would pay for—and by pay, I mean TAKE MY MONEY! I mean...Narutohad the potential to be one of the best manga ever—at least one of the best ninja-based manga.

At this point, the story isn't really salvageable. I can think of how to do it if I started back at the time skip, or better yet restart everything from the beginning, but from this chapter? There is so much wrong, I have no idea how I'd get it to work consistently with everything else.

Really, if you have suggestions on what you'd do to make this shit work, speak up. I'm curious.

Somewhere down the line Yahiko was meant to be inspired by Madara/Obito, not seeing much of that here. Anyway Obito's complete apathy for world would does sound like the words of an angst ridden teenager. But to take it to a degree where you would strip ninja-humanity of free will needs a better justification then "I don't care about it anymore".

It would make more sense if Obito wanted Uchiha dominance in the same vein as Madara. The whole concept of a world of "winners" brings into suspicion how sore Madara is for losing to the Senju and having his clan lose faith in him to turn away form him. Its clear that both men hold there clan in high regards, with that commonality it would make sense for Obito to cooperate with Madara. So that they could have their clan be the "winners" of there faux-world.

So much complaining about everything, you'd think that these are the only manga being produced in all of japan.

-Read something else, nobody's forcing you to continue anything, especially if it's as terrible as people are making it out to be.
-Maybe it isn't the story's content that's changed as much as what you expect out of the story in the years it's been around.

Alright I’m a believer in true love and everything, but just how much did Obito know Rin. I mean is she really worth destroying your friends, family and reality over, ha ha ha

The flashback also left out how Itachi and Obito met. Wasn’t Obito involved with the death of the Uchia clan as well

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You know, I'm beginning to wonder why the supposedly gentle hearted Itachi joined akatsuki in the first place. If his big plan was to be killed by Sauke so he could be a hero, why did he spend his spare time hunting and killing innocent jinchuriki? He clearly wasn't interested in stopping them from forcefully taking over the world, yet he killed his family to stop a hypothetical war in the leaf lol.

Oh, and was it ever explained how Madara gave Nagto his eyes while being stuck underground?

You know, I'm beginning to wonder why the supposedly gentle hearted Itachi joined akatsuki in the first place. If his big plan was to be killed by Sauke so he could be a hero, why did he spend his spare time hunting and killing innocent jinchuriki? He clearly wasn't interested in stopping them from forcefully taking over the world, yet he killed his family to stop a hypothetical war in the leaf lol.

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It's a very strange cognitive dissonance, much like how he cared about his younger brother and wanted him to kill him, yet put him in a coma he might have never come out of if the world's greatest medic hadn't gotten to work on him based on the very special circumstances that Naruto asked her specifically to help Sasuke as a favor. And while we don't know everything he did while in Akatsuki (who knows, maybe he delayed them in subtle ways while there), we do know that he had no problem letting Sexy Shark Man mutilate naruto by cutting off his feet. The only thing that stopped him was Jiraiya arriving on time.

Oh, and was it ever explained how Madara gave Nagto his eyes while being stuck underground?

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They just said that he was knocked out and had the operation done at a very young age. So young that he doesn't remember a time where he didn't have the Rinnegan.

You people complain about everything don't you? Read the manga, don't read the manga. Those are your options. If you don't like it that much just pick option 2. Trust me, I'll come here and give you a detailed review of Naruto once it's over and save you the horror of reading it for yourself from here on out. None of the big 3 have been great for a while now, and Hunter x Hunter has a shit for brains author. Get over it.

I don't even have the will to respond to these idiotic "Stop complaining about stuff" posts. As if criticism isn't something worth discussing.

Even if it wasn't and we stopped doing it here and now, then that'd just mean that the board is dead. The things that have the most potential for discussion is what everyone is reading and what is recent. Even if I were to read through the entirety of Akira and made a post about it being good, it would not get that many replies in either direction because not everyone here has read it or if they have, they did it too long ago to sustain a discussion on the matter besides a few vaguely remembered things.

Whatever else Naruto is, it is timely and it is something everyone here has an investment in and is keeping up to date on a weekly basis. I wonder if some people here even read anything else besides the big 3, there hasn't been a discussion on anything else in so long. So nothing else is going to produce the kind of discussion Naruto does. To stop talking about Naruto in whatever fashion is to stop talking at all.

You people complain about everything don't you? Read the manga, don't read the manga. Those are your options. If you don't like it that much just pick option 2. Trust me, I'll come here and give you a detailed review of Naruto once it's over and save you the horror of reading it for yourself from here on out. None of the big 3 have been great for a while now, and Hunter x Hunter has a **** for brains author. Get over it.

I don't even have the will to respond to these idiotic "Stop complaining about stuff" posts. As if criticism isn't something worth discussing.

Even if it wasn't and we stopped doing it here and now, then that'd just mean that the board is dead. The things that have the most potential for discussion is what everyone is reading and what is recent. Even if I were to read through the entirety of Akira and made a post about it being good, it would not get that many replies in either direction because not everyone here has read it or if they have, they did it too long ago to sustain a discussion on the matter besides a few vaguely remembered things.

Whatever else Naruto is, it is timely and it is something everyone here has an investment in and is keeping up to date on a weekly basis. I wonder if some people here even read anything else besides the big 3, there hasn't been a discussion on anything else in so long. So nothing else is going to produce the kind of discussion Naruto does. To stop talking about Naruto in whatever fashion is to stop talking at all.

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I don't have the will to respond to this comment, so here's me responding to this comment:

You can have a discussion about the manga without it being consistently negative, not just naruto but any of these manga. It's kind of the inverse of the breaking bad situation where it receives nothing but blind praise.

I don't even have the will to respond to these idiotic "Stop complaining about stuff" posts. As if criticism isn't something worth discussing.

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What I meant was that I don't have the will to explain, yet again, why criticism is awesome and people who employ it should not be basically told to shut up. Hence why I instead pointed out that ceasing to discuss things about Naruto would basically mean ceasing discussion period.

You can have a discussion about the manga without it being consistently negative, not just naruto but any of these manga. It's kind of the inverse of the breaking bad situation where it receives nothing but blind praise.

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It's not like I don't give praise to Naruto when it deserves it. A chapter or two ago both me and fish complimented the last few pages for really cool and creepy art. But there simply isn't as much to praise about current Naruto and nothing else is timely. Remember when I was rereading old Naruto? I made extensive posts praising large portions of it and nobody discussed it. Because it wasn't timely. And that's naruto, which everyone has read. Good luck getting a discussion off the ground about something that isn't fresh in everyone's minds here.

It's not like I don't give praise to Naruto when it deserves it. A chapter or two ago both me and fish complimented the last few pages for really cool and creepy art. But there simply isn't as much to praise about current Naruto and nothing else is timely. Remember when I was rereading old Naruto? I made extensive posts praising large portions of it and nobody discussed it. Because it wasn't timely.And that's naruto, which everyone has read. Good luck getting a discussion off the ground about something that isn't fresh in everyone's minds here.

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Jesus christ what did you do to that quote, and nobody replied to your page long re-reading reviews because they were incessant complaining in a time where pretty much everyone expects you to..well...complain.

Ironically, I find this discussion about complaining to be more counterproductive than any negative criticism said in here so far. We aren't puppets, we'll discuss what we want when concerning the manga.

But I suppose more positive discussion isn't a necessarily a bad suggestion. Let's see.. I have enjoyed the artwork in both Naruto and Bleach lately.

I did criticize old Naruto where appropriate, but my overall impressions of the manga were positive and I praised what it did right.

What do you people want from me? I complain, people bitch. I praise, people ignore it.

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I'm not saying you haven't ever stopped complaining about naruto specifically, that honor goes to one piece. But it'd be nice if you didn't have to sift through a few hundred negative comments to find a positive one.

Ironically, I find this discussion about complaining to be more counterproductive than any negative criticism said in here so far. We aren't puppets, we'll discuss what we want when it concerning the manga.

But I suppose more positive discussion isn't a necessarily a bad suggestion. Let's see.. I have enjoyed the artwork in both Naruto and Bleach lately.

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I disagree, it's discussion, and that's what we're all here for, until it degrades into petty name calling or something, discussion is exactly what I come here for. I'm just noting how the complaining far outweighs anything else here, and turns away people that actually enjoys a decent chapter. That being said, I'd agree that the art in Naruto has been overall better, and while bleach has improved a bit too, that's not really hard to do.

I praised one piece on occasion too. But I'm just more at home by pointing out whats wrong with a story than whats right with it. It's just my natural way of analysis. You are literally asking me to develop an entirely new thinking process for how I look at stuff. Sorry, but I just can't help that. The most I can promise is that I give each series a fair shake and make the comments I feel it warrants, both positives and negatives.

But honestly, if your really that bothered, it'd be better to try to argue how the thing I'm look at negatively is actually positive. This would be nigh impossible to do with Naruto, but one piece for example, I still really dislike the art (well...maybe. It's more like I tolerate it, but I really like Monet's snow monster design), but you could argue that the look actually enhances some things instead. It's all I ever wanted anyway, a discussion that challenges my views and engages me on an intellectual level.

I disagree, it's discussion, and that's what we're all here for, until it degrades into petty name calling or something, discussion is exactly what I come here for. I'm just noting how the complaining far outweighs anything else here, and turns away people that actually enjoys a decent chapter. That being said, I'd agree that the art in Naruto has been overall better, and while bleach has improved a bit too, that's not really hard to do.

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Whens the last time I called somebody a name? Here I thought I've become more chill lately.

I praised one piece on occasion too. But I'm just more at home by pointing out whats wrong with a story than whats right with it. It's just my natural way of analysis. You are literally asking me to develop an entirely new thinking process for how I look at stuff. Sorry, but I just can't help that. The most I can promise is that I give each series a fair shake and make the comments I feel it warrants, both positives and negatives.

But honestly, if your really that bothered, it'd be better to try to argue how the thing I'm look at negatively is actually positive. This would be nigh impossible to do with Naruto, but one piece for example, I still really dislike the art (well...maybe. It's more like I tolerate it, but I really like Monet's snow monster design), but you could argue that the look actually enhances some things instead. It's all I ever wanted anyway, a discussion that challenges my views and engages me on an intellectual level.

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It's in your nature to be negative, that's all I really was acknowledging. I'm not bothered by it, just offering conversation, that's what i'm here for. I think we've long passed the point of defending one piece to you, and I happen to hate monet's logia form, so blah to you!

I disagree, it's discussion, and that's what we're all here for, until it degrades into petty name calling or something, discussion is exactly what I come here for. I'm just noting how the complaining far outweighs anything else here, and turns away people that actually enjoys a decent chapter. That being said, I'd agree that the art in Naruto has been overall better, and while bleach has improved a bit too, that's not really hard to do.

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Whens the last time I called somebody a name? Here I thought I've become more chill lately.

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No one did, I was highlighting that the discussion wouldn't be counterproductive until it became name calling or personal insults.

It's in your nature to be negative, that's all I really was acknowledging. I'm not bothered by it, just offering conversation, that's what i'm here for. I think we've long passed the point of defending one piece to you, and I happen to hate monet's logia form, so blah to you!

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It's not about defending OP to me, but more just enforcing your own opinion.

Discussion isn't about convincing anybody about anything to me. I usually found my opinions on a strong basis, and I have friends who do the same with different opinions. I don't go into discussions with them expecting either my or their opinions to be changed, but I enjoy the intellectual duel where I test the logic of their opinion and they do the same to mine. It's cool when my opinion is validated by reasoning that can't be overturned, but that doesn't mean I can't admit when I'm wrong or that I am upset when I can't overturn their opinion. All they have to do is point out a logical fault that I can't defend (like, for example, if I argued that One piece lacked variety, you could cite all the places and different characters and things that happen. I don't see how I'd be able to maintain that statement in the face of that evidence.) We talk until we have nothing left to say to defend each other's opinions and that's it.

That's basically what I want from this board, concerning manga. When I 'attack' other people, it's not because I want to crush them under the heel of my boot or anything. And it seems sad to me that you are afraid to voice your opinion because of that misconception. We're missing out on a lot of discussion if we're only going to talk in vagueries ("I like when this happens") or in topics that we all basically already agree on (naruto sucks)

that being said I really do think Naruto has declined greatly. I only still read it out of habit and little else. I really don't care about the characters or story anymore because both have been developed extremely poorly, IMO. I mean the main villain is trying to turn the moon into a giant eyeball and I'm suppose to take this seriously, ha ha ha

It's not about defending OP to me, but more just enforcing your own opinion.

Discussion isn't about convincing anybody about anything to me. I usually found my opinions on a strong basis, and I have friends who do the same with different opinions. I don't go into discussions with them expecting either my or their opinions to be changed, but I enjoy the intellectual duel where I test the logic of their opinion and they do the same to mine. It's cool when my opinion is validated by reasoning that can't be overturned, but that doesn't mean I can't admit when I'm wrong or that I am upset when I can't overturn their opinion. All they have to do is point out a logical fault that I can't defend (like, for example, if I argued that One piece lacked variety, you could cite all the places and different characters and things that happen. I don't see how I'd be able to maintain that statement in the face of that evidence.) We talk until we have nothing left to say to defend each other's opinions and that's it.

That's basically what I want from this board, concerning manga. When I 'attack' other people, it's not because I want to crush them under the heel of my boot or anything. And it seems sad to me that you are afraid to voice your opinion because of that misconception. We're missing out on a lot of discussion if we're only going to talk in vagueries ("I like when this happens") or in topics that we all basically already agree on (naruto sucks)

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Right, I understand your motivation in it, but in it's most basic form communication is used to share information, debating things is fun, I often enough posted to get into debates myself, so it's not like I don't get it. But the last two pages have just been a hell of a lot of the bolded, and as you stated, we miss out on a lot because of it.

Well, the problem with Naruto is that there are just not many good things to talk about. If you have some to bring forward, besides the art being good, then do so. Otherwise, we need to discuss something else. HXH is out for obvious reasons. Berserk is back but nothing has happened yet. Bleach is in a similar situation as Naruto. No one here besides seems to read Silver Spoon (and shame on them), and it's not that interesting to talk about anyway, however much fun it is. The only thing that I can see producing serious discussion is One Piece, which no one seems to want to do.

ive picked up silver spoon since you recommended it, im holding off on critiquing it until im caught up.

as for One Piece, its doesnt seem as though anyone likes to discuss it, even those who want to dont, because it doesnt get much response...its like weird perpetual silence

anyway so then, i love the pace at which the match ups change it been really good and hard to predict. and thank god for the 'vs' chapter we got this week, because this arc has lacked that with the total disarray of things. though the zoro sanji thing was the best part of the chapter this week
but to satisfy the impulse to b****, its been in the same place for the last few weeks and the reoccurring kid stuff is really boring, i dont see why its necessary at this point. and how many more diagrams are we gunna get? its a lot of repetition
but at least the samurais kid is found, so i hope this arc wraps up soon or at least shifts in direction