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Re: Black Monday

Looking at all of this firing madness makes me realize how spoiled we are.

Playoffs 5 straight years. No other team can claim that. True, no SB's in those years, but there are about 28 other franchises that would kill just to have such consistency in reaching the playoffs.

Only 1 team can win anyway, and how valuable is a SB win really when a 9-7 team can get in, play well for 3 games, and win on one lucky ass pass? Seriously, SB's can be won in some pretty stupid ways. It is one game. The point is to always be in a position to get to that game, and we know anything can happen in one game of football.

You see teams like Buffalo that just seem to have a turnstile for coaches coming in and out. They are never building toward anything, just constantly rebuilding.

Harbaugh will never be confused for an offensive or defensive "genius" like you see some of these other guys get labelled (some of the same guys are looking for a job right now). But he does seem to be a pretty good leader of men. Of course having some great talent makes any coach look better, but there are plenty of teams that have some good talent yet fail year after year.

So when we nitpick Harbaugh's stupid challenges and such, just take a second to think about how good we really have it. There are some really bad teams out there. Not just their W/L's. But culturally some of these teams just seem lost, stuck in perennial loser-ville.

Plus we always have our domination in our lone SB win to always hang our hats on. Teams that have been around much longer than the Ravens don't even have that.

Re: Black Monday

Looking at all of this firing madness makes me realize how spoiled we are.

Playoffs 5 straight years. No other team can claim that. True, no SB's in those years, but there are about 28 other franchises that would kill just to have such consistency in reaching the playoffs.

Only 1 team can win anyway, and how valuable is a SB win really when a 9-7 team can get in, play well for 3 games, and win on one lucky ass pass? Seriously, SB's can be won in some pretty stupid ways. It is one game. The point is to always be in a position to get to that game, and we know anything can happen in one game of football.

You see teams like Buffalo that just seem to have a turnstile for coaches coming in and out. They are never building toward anything, just constantly rebuilding.

Harbaugh will never be confused for an offensive or defensive "genius" like you see some of these other guys get labelled (some of the same guys are looking for a job right now). But he does seem to be a pretty good leader of men. Of course having some great talent makes any coach look better, but there are plenty of teams that have some good talent yet fail year after year.

So when we nitpick Harbaugh's stupid challenges and such, just take a second to think about how good we really have it. There are some really bad teams out there. Not just their W/L's. But culturally some of these teams just seem lost, stuck in perennial loser-ville.

Plus we always have our domination in our lone SB win to always hang our hats on. Teams that have been around much longer than the Ravens don't even have that.

Can you imagine being a Lion's fan?

I was just thinking yesterday how it's been so long for us Ravens fans since the end of the season has meant no more Raven's football. Honestly, for all the hate our D has gotten this year, they've looked god the last few weeks, even against Manning until Joe blew it. I'll take us against anyone in the post season. Hell, if I was Marvin Lewis, I would have been ripping my starters a new one at half time.

Re: Black Monday

Originally Posted by saintmatthew

I was just thinking yesterday how it's been so long for us Ravens fans since the end of the season has meant no more Raven's football. Honestly, for all the hate our D has gotten this year, they've looked god the last few weeks, even against Manning until Joe blew it. I'll take us against anyone in the post season. Hell, if I was Marvin Lewis, I would have been ripping my starters a new one at half time.

I am wishing on a star our D gets healthy at the right time (which it seems may be the case) and goes on a rampage in the playoffs.

A toss back to the old swarming, turnover creating D we have seen over the years.

We seem to be clicking in certain areas...Brown has looked really good, Graham has been solid, Kruger keeps stepping up. Ellerbee coming back and instantly being productive.

If we can get Suggs and Ngata and Ray back, and Smith can earn his draft pick status (like he looked like he was on track to doing in last year's playoffs), we could do some damage, even against guys like Brady and maybe even Manning if we are super lucky. I mean, if now isn't the time to exercise the Manning demon I don't know when is. That bastard has owned us. We all know he isn't the best playoff QB anyway.

Re: Black Monday

Looking at all of this firing madness makes me realize how spoiled we are.

Playoffs 5 straight years. No other team can claim that. True, no SB's in those years, but there are about 28 other franchises that would kill just to have such consistency in reaching the playoffs.

Only 1 team can win anyway, and how valuable is a SB win really when a 9-7 team can get in, play well for 3 games, and win on one lucky ass pass? Seriously, SB's can be won in some pretty stupid ways. It is one game. The point is to always be in a position to get to that game, and we know anything can happen in one game of football.

You see teams like Buffalo that just seem to have a turnstile for coaches coming in and out. They are never building toward anything, just constantly rebuilding.

Harbaugh will never be confused for an offensive or defensive "genius" like you see some of these other guys get labelled (some of the same guys are looking for a job right now). But he does seem to be a pretty good leader of men. Of course having some great talent makes any coach look better, but there are plenty of teams that have some good talent yet fail year after year.

So when we nitpick Harbaugh's stupid challenges and such, just take a second to think about how good we really have it. There are some really bad teams out there. Not just their W/L's. But culturally some of these teams just seem lost, stuck in perennial loser-ville.

Plus we always have our domination in our lone SB win to always hang our hats on. Teams that have been around much longer than the Ravens don't even have that.

Can you imagine being a Lion's fan?

The goal isn't to get to the playoffs every year. Call it spoiled if you want but I don't see why the Ravens fans should be aiming lower than the Steelers, Giants and Patriots fans do. That doesn't mean you fire Harbaugh but it does mean he should be criticized.

Re: Black Monday

Originally Posted by GOTA

The goal isn't to get to the playoffs every year. Call it spoiled if you want but I don't see why the Ravens fans should be aiming lower than the Steelers, Giants and Patriots fans do. That doesn't mean you fire Harbaugh but it does mean he should be criticized.

Re: Black Monday

True but some people also praise coming close as if it's the goal. Andy Reid just got fired after 14 years with the Eagles. 10 years from now will that be remembered as the golden era of Eagles football because it shouldn't be. We shouldn't be satisfied with a Reid Eagles like level of success.

From 2009-2011 we've had more talent and better balance than any other time in Ravens history. We've been to the playoffs 5 straight years but it's nothing compared to what that 2000 team with almost no offense was able to accomplish. That is what this franchise is really about. We should cheapen that with over excitement about making the playoffs or winning the AFC North.

Well of course, that's every team's "goal" in sports: to win a championship. But when the other much more likely outcome plays out--not winning a championship--the Ravens don't want to experience a "rebuilding" situation that leaves them home in January.

"On their way to the podium, the Ravens FO is going to collectively step over my dead body and select...Breshad Perriman." -- Me, the day before the Draft

Re: Black Monday

Getting to the playoffs every year shouldn't be a goal, but it's certainly a notch in the belt. Sometimes, getting to the big game is all about getting lucky at the right time. If you're one of the 12 at the end of the year, year in and year out, better odds you catch some of that luck.

I'd rather have 6-7 years of playoff football without a SB than be a team like KC. Playoffs nowadays are few and far between, because they keep redrawing their team and missing.

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Re: Black Monday

Originally Posted by GOTA

True but some people also praise coming close as if it's the goal. Andy Reid just got fired after 14 years with the Eagles. 10 years from now will that be remembered as the golden era of Eagles football because it shouldn't be. We shouldn't be satisfied with a Reid Eagles like level of success.

From 2009-2011 we've had more talent and better balance than any other time in Ravens history. We've been to the playoffs 5 straight years but it's nothing compared to what that 2000 team with almost no offense was able to accomplish. That is what this franchise is really about. We should cheapen that with over excitement about making the playoffs or winning the AFC North.

I agree.

This franchise has won a SB. From that point forward that should always be the standard. The people in DC are losing their minds because the Slurs won their first division title in 14 years. The Ravens are superior in every way and should be aiming to win it all especially when you have a division rival whose been to 3 SB's in the past 7 years and won 2.

Denny Green's Vikings team made it to the playoffs 8 out of 9 years during his tenure and no one remembers anything about them other than they lost in NFC title game on their home field to an average Falcons team.

The Ravens are better than that but guys like Flacco and Ray Rice have to play with a sense of desperation in order to get over that hump.