today 6am police go into house in Sta Cruz where they go with one person ……with initials S.C. this arrest took place 6am this morning…surprised the family with this arrest….we got different information, but we want to get all concrete things together before we bring this news to you…..we dont want to confuse anyone! we want to say that their is suspicion that she is ALIVE! but we dont want to bring up any suspicion to anyone but we will be back with info if this person has information for this case…also in Savaneta they took someone for interogation…..we are hoping this will come to an end, with all this suspicion we believe shes alive…..stay pending…..thank you harry

****At 9:50 am: MSNBC & Fox have just reported the arrest of a fourth suspect. A 27 year old man.
It has been confirmed by Fox speaking to individual in Justice department 4th arrest 26 year old friend of joran

The new person detained is a 26-year-old friend of Joran van der Sloot Ã¢â‚¬” who was with Holloway the night she disappeared, sources said. Van der Sloot, 17, has been detained but not charged.

****
Unbelievable, after 18 days a fourth suspect now confirmed arrested, 26 year old, son of a prominent businessman and alleged friend of joran van der Sloot. Aruban authorities state there is an search going on with regards to this arrest but did not state where.

The boy has the initials SGC, and his father is also high in the judiciary.

Update: 1045 There is a rumor of another person taken into custody, his father recently committed suicide and that he has had serious mental issues since. He has two homes, a house on the main road of savaneta and also another one in Seroe Alejandro, and was know for having underground parties.

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) – A fourth person has been detained in Aruba in the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway, authorities announced Friday.
The person “suspected of being involved” in Holloway’s disappearance was identified by the attorney general’s office only as a 26-year-old with the initials S.G.C. The office did not disclose the gender or say when the person was detained.

The arrest this morning was of a 26 year old. There wwere 2 dutch brothers questioned yesterday may have provided some information that led to this arrest. Also , a family friend of Joran Van Der Sloot was on the radio saying the Joran was a quiet nice boy who liked to go out with friends. The station is holding out hope publicly on the radio that she may be alive.

Let us hope and pray.

UPDATE: Initials S.C. born 21 -07-1978 –> Has only one hit in national health system: Steve Gregg C. J. Croes

These new developments would lead you to believe there is a much larger picture here unless these new people arrested are not personally involved but might have just talked to Joran about what happened. If they are involved it’s mind-boggling what all these guys know and are not saying. I get the feeling they really have been making progress with these new arrest(s).

Just Wondering on
June 17th, 2005 11:28 am

If Human Traficking is involved it would make some sense that she could be alive:

1. It seemed someone older would have to be involved. These guys would not have the connections.
2. Joran and maybe the other 2 are stuck:
– If he fingers the connection in a HT scheme and blows the lid on some unsavory characters ,he is a dead boy walking. They do not forgive and forget.
– If he remains silent the Aruban people’s disgust would be so great he and his family would most likely need to leave the island forever.
– No wonder he was crying in jail.
- His Dad may have told him….we are with you let’s just get to the truth and maybe FBI
can get us in some witness protection program with immunity for your part in the crime.

Joran, Innocent until proven guilty~~~~~ Why are we so quick to prosecute someone in the media? This guy has absolutely 0 evidence against him other than the fact that he seen Natalee the night that she vansihed!!! Give him a break, he is not in a court of law and we are certainly not the chosen jury, he has family and friends just like you and I. I pray for Natalee everyday but I also pray for Joran, he has not been proven guilty of anything but knowing Natalee Holloway!!! You will see in the hours/days ahead that Joran doesn’t know what happended after their night ended the only thing he knows now is that he wishes their night would have never began!

friend of mickey john on
June 17th, 2005 11:33 am

american in aruba—

is the crazy guy on main saventa road the one with his house all crazy spay painted???
My friend david said he was nuts….
i have to go but will be praying for natalee…
i have a feeling there will be 7 total arrested in all, maybe not today .
u r great.
keep us posted.

whoknows on
June 17th, 2005 11:33 am

Been lurking here, as it’s the only place to get any decent info. I fully and firmly believe that there is human trafficking involved. Why else would there be such a huge cover up and such a bungled job of the investigation? This is just scratching the surface of what happens every day in Mexico and many other countries around the world. I just pray to God that Natalee is alive and well and that this investigation blows the lid off of this hidden human trafficking thing so that the entire world will become aware and start fighting to wipe this scum off of the face of the earth. Please, God, return Natalee safe and sound to her family and let the truth be known!

friend of mickey john on
June 17th, 2005 11:35 am

news 2 me
fox says the 3 will be held additional 8 days at least.

cancon on
June 17th, 2005 11:37 am

I find it interesting that all the reports are not specifying the gender of this recent detainee although our Aruban sources are saying the person is male

cancon on
June 17th, 2005 11:41 am

here are some scenarios, maybe the boys know who kidnapped Natalee but think they can’t say either because they were involved in raping her before she was kidnapped, the kidnapper is blackmailing them, he has other damning information on them and/or he witnessed the rape or there was a videotape made and/or the kidnapper has threatened to kill their families etc if they talk and he’s the kind of individual who might just do it

maybe he threatened to kill Natalee if they said anything?

Renoguy on
June 17th, 2005 11:42 am

Where did the rumors start that Natalee may still be alive? I hope it is so.

cancon on
June 17th, 2005 11:46 am

here is my problem with the human trafficking scenario

the slime balls that do this are not stupid, the ones that are organized and successful, they kidnap the kind of girls no one is going to miss, esp in Asia, the girls are often sold to these guys for cash by their own parents, who can’t feed their families, or certainly the kind of girls who don’t have the kind of parents any typical white American girl is going to have, the kind that can afford to go to Aruba on a trip

kidnapping a middle to upper class white girl from the US is just plain stupid if you are a human trafficker, unless you want to get shut down, or if you are crazy enough to do it, that girl is long gone from Aruba, try Saudi Arabia, drop by any of the Royal Princes mansions……..

Connie on
June 17th, 2005 11:48 am

they showed this guy being taken into custody. no picture of his face but the back of his head, does anyone have a link to the photo album of Joran?

Dave on
June 17th, 2005 11:51 am

Wow! Mabe truth is stranger than fiction! The human trafficing thing would explain the FBI’s very early involvement in this case which is unfortunely out of its jurisdiction without a formal request from the Dutch Gov’t.

Justin T on
June 17th, 2005 11:56 am

AGR,

They know a hell of lot more than that. he hadn’t simply seen her that night he LEFT with her. He and his buddies are responsible for whatever happened to her. Furthermore you do not know what evidence they have against him or the other two.

This is good. It shows that evidence is being gathered and pieces of the puzzle are coming together at least somewhat since their suspicins are branching out to other people. It may, indeed, be a case of selling a girl. The fact the new suspect is also the son of a judge has my wheels spinning. Is this a conspiracy that could go up the ladder or just a coincidence?

AGR, I agree with you that everyone is presumed innocent until proven otherwise in the legal sense. However, in my mind and heart I don’t see anyway that he can be innocent. After all, even the additional suspects are friends of his. He is involved in this somehow or why would have had lied about dropping her off at the hotel that night anyway. People don’t just normally lie for the fun of it. There is motiviation and in this case the motivation is covering his butt and trying to keep the truth from coming out.

Anyone who really believes he is innocent, please e-mail me because I have statue of a lady in New York Harbor that I will sell cheap for the one who buys my ocean front property in Arizona.

David on
June 17th, 2005 12:04 pm

Exactly where on the island is santa lucia. I have been there several times and have never heard of it and cannot find it on the map. What is it near?

does anyone think that she is still alive and maybe in that one boys home that has underground parties?

Justin T on
June 17th, 2005 12:17 pm

hey Mark 2 how much do you want for it? ha

Connie on
June 17th, 2005 12:18 pm

From looking at the back of this guy that was brought in this morning, his size and hair, I honestly think it was that freddy guy in the pics with Joran and the Kalpoe brothers.

Ashley on
June 17th, 2005 12:19 pm

i just wish that they will find her alive and let her go who ever has her

RBinBham on
June 17th, 2005 12:20 pm

I do think there is a slim possibility that she is still alive

Kris on
June 17th, 2005 12:24 pm

Connie,
Is there a link where we can see a picture of the guy arrested this morning?

Hyderabad on
June 17th, 2005 12:26 pm

As I had said earlier, there have to be more folsk involved than the Kapoles & Joran. These 3 are just students. Some underground Gang is probably involved. The 3 students got involved with the gang for drugs / girls. I believe there can be a ransom situation or HT situation. I believe NH is alive. She will be found or released but, it may be difficult to really get at the “real guys” involved.

Ashley on
June 17th, 2005 12:29 pm

any more pics of anything?

RBinBham on
June 17th, 2005 12:30 pm

i have not found any yet

Steve on
June 17th, 2005 12:31 pm

There is alot I could say about Human Trafficking as part of other cultures but I would rather just focus on praying Natalee is returned alive to her family. If Natalee’s was kidnapped then she would be in a position to tell the world first hand what happened and that would lead to some very interesting places including higher up in the Aruba Government. This is every parent’s nightmare and that’s why you see such a strong reaction by so many who have zero tolerance for this kind of brutality against innocent children. If this happened to my child I would be facing the ulimate test of my faith as I do not know if I would want complete retribution against the guilty parties. I mean the “Bowels in or out” type of retribution.

Asked this a few days ago, hoping for a local’s input, but heard nothing. Aruba government has PLENTY of money to work with…and of course, stands to spend plenty before this is over, as will NH’s family & friends & U.S. gov’t.
So…. maybe I missed an increase or two, but last I heard the reward was still paltry, like $75 K. Money talks, and can even make thugs/informants turn on each other, so wouldn’t a reward of more newsworthy amount, say $500,000 or $1,000,000 make more sense? The search, etc. has got to be costing that already anyway. Really upping the ante could at least gets some tips from those with info/possible leads (esp. from if others beyond the 3 party boys are involved).
Thoughts?

Just Wondering on
June 17th, 2005 12:48 pm

Here is a link that someone posted on another site.
If you are easily offended DO NOT click here:

I suppose the Santa Tour refers to Santa Cruz.
Note the reference to blonde women.

I think most people do not think they will get caught……just another runaway.
Scott Peterson, Runaway Bride, woman who drove her kids into the lake……….all thought they could get away with something.

Amy Bradley did not get much attention when she disappeared in 1998 from the ABC islands (Aruba, Bon Aire, Curacao).

Maybe the Internet & people like Red and Tom and Dan Riehl will change that.

Ashley on
June 17th, 2005 12:54 pm

well has anyone heard anything else about this case other than they have 1 more person. it seems that over in aruba they are getting mpre info than U.S is and all we kep hearing are the same stuff over and over again and its getting old we want new stuff not what we already have heared.

Nona on
June 17th, 2005 12:57 pm

who owns that site?

Justin T on
June 17th, 2005 12:59 pm

Just a thoght about her being still alive. According to the first security guard that was released he said one of the brothers told him “he figured she would show up in a crack house or some beach bar in a few days. maybe there was more truth to that statement then what was paid attention too

Ashley on
June 17th, 2005 1:02 pm

yes justin i think they should have paid more attention to the security guard than they did and maybe then they would have already found her and they still wouldnt be going throught this crap. they need to find someone else that can put more pressure on these now 4 boys and they will soon crack. if this happened in the u.s they would have already sloved this case with all the devices that we use in cases like this

Ashley on
June 17th, 2005 1:03 pm

why havent they already searched any of the crack houses if he told them that one of the boys said that?

the pace is frustrating to say the least. I don’t know if it would of been solved yet or not but at the very least they have made some major scew ups and we would of as a public know more than we do about what is going on. In sour society that works in theirs it may not.

Connie on
June 17th, 2005 1:19 pm

Sorry I guess the guy I saw on tv this morning was one of the Kalpoe brothers, according to Fox news, the man arrested this morning was dutch.

Checkme on
June 17th, 2005 1:23 pm

Connie,
The guy this morning is not Dutch. The guy they brought in last night is. However, it looks like the not-Dutch guy is JvdS’s friend and the Dutch guy is the Kalpoe’s.

Connie on
June 17th, 2005 1:27 pm

I was thinking last night, and I may be reaching a bit. What type of equipment do archiologist use to locate skeletal remains of dinosaurs? Some type of machine that sends echo waves into the earth to determine if there’s something there. I am not quite sure how this equipment works, but that may be something they could use to see if she may have been burried.

Connie on
June 17th, 2005 1:29 pm

Oh, thanks Check, then it is possible that the guy I was this morning was “Freddy” from the pics. I know initials were given, but right off hand I can’t remember what they were. and I’m too lazy to scroll up to see what it was. (lol)

Jeff Dowder on
June 17th, 2005 1:29 pm

Those Kalpoe guys look like those people who work at 7-11′s or indian restaurants.

Checkme on
June 17th, 2005 1:30 pm

fat dumb?

David on
June 17th, 2005 1:32 pm

Just a thought, but did anyone notice the change in Natalee’s mother from her interview with Geraldo and recent interviews? With Geraldo she seemed scared, down, lost, and vulnerable. Now she seems confident, happier, and somewhat “relieved.” Could this mean that she has been told that Natalee is most likely alive? Anyone else notice this and think the same thing?
Also, I feel like too much credit is given to the “criminal minds” of these kids in jail. Deliberately killing someone and keeping it hidden for more than 2-3 days is almost impossible UNLESS you have planned and mentally prepared for it. An accidental death covered up would be stupid to not admit to now and I don’t think these kids are that dumb. BUT, leaving a drunk girl that you just met and had some fun with and hoping she’ll find her way back to her hotel at 2 in the morning IS something that a 17 year old WOULD do. A drunk 18 year old girl walking by herself at 2 in the morning IS something that a creep, weirdo, or whatever would pick up and do who knows what with.

My theory: Joran is an idiot has no forethought to make sure that a girl he befriended made it back to a safe place. He left her to make it back on her own and he left with his buddy (suspect #4) who came to pick him up. She stumbled into the wrong arms…and may very well be alive.

Jeff Dowder on
June 17th, 2005 1:33 pm

No….. just like , hey, can I have a lottery ticket? And the Kalpoe guys answers: wood joo like to buy slurpee? And I say.. no man, just lotto.

Elvis Pretzel on
June 17th, 2005 1:35 pm

Some of the other bloggers had it right earlier directing an important part of the attention of all of this to these chaperones (worthless) and the some of the half assed classmates – truly the blind leading the blind – drinking with friends is fine when it is in balance -it is when it crosses the line into stupidity that the problems start (i.e: drunk driving,date rape,murder etc…)

I’d like to see the high profile media focus more on that part of what led up to this situation.

Knowledge is power.

Perhaps the only silver lining to this Natalee deal (regardless of outcome) is the hard learned lesson of half assed priorities and how it is going on right now all over America.

Elvis P.

Checkme on
June 17th, 2005 1:35 pm

Sorry Conny, I meant “fat thumb”, you know, scrolling up…

Connie on
June 17th, 2005 1:37 pm

LOL Check, I decided to gather up a bit of energy and scroll after all. I guess I’m wrong about that being freddy, cause the initials are S G C. I’ll have to look abit closer to the pics and see who else I can come up with. (sigh)

BhamNativeGirl on
June 17th, 2005 1:39 pm

Elvis P. would love to get a rise out of people on this message board.

Ashley on
June 17th, 2005 1:39 pm

david i think the same thign in some pics she is fine and then in others she is crying and i think that she knows what happened and no one will release what it is i think she is still alive and will be coming home and if she does i think i would like to meet her and see what all she has to say about this. i live close to mtnbrk and it has really upset me that this is someone so close to where i live even though it happened in aruba it still makes me think it could have been me on my sr trip last yr.

karen on
June 17th, 2005 1:40 pm

Have you guys heard that the person may have last name Croes, ie..SGC. If that is the case, doesn’t this compromise this case tremendously.

Also, I heard before Joran’s dad was a judge in training, that he was a businessman that traveled alot. Any idea what kind of business.

I pray for NH’s family, but the more that comes out, makes this even more sinister, and pointing to a possible cover-up.

Joran was a popular jock from a well-connected family. In my town, these guys never get their due. Either way he is a minor, and justice does not look promising.

BhamNativeGirl on
June 17th, 2005 1:40 pm

An eye for an eye only makes the world blind.

Elizabeth on
June 17th, 2005 1:40 pm

It sort of seems that the police seem to think they know what the “real story” is with Natalee’s disappearance. I think they are just lacking the evidence to prove anything?

Justin T on
June 17th, 2005 1:41 pm

Elvis,

It would be a complete waste of resources to concentrate on the WHY this happened to try and place blame. It will accomplish nothing towards resolving this case. Wate more time on something at this point does not mean a damn thing.

Trisher on
June 17th, 2005 1:43 pm

From the Milwaukee Journal online:ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — A fourth person was detained in Aruba on Friday on suspicion of being involved in the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway, who vanished nearly three weeks ago while celebrating her high school graduation, authorities said.

Meanwhile, Holloway’s mother said she believed there might be more arrests before the case was resolved. She did not elaborate.

The person “suspected of being involved” in Holloway’s disappearance was identified by the attorney general’s office only as a 26-year-old with the initials S.G.C. The office did not disclose any more details, but Holloway’s mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, referred to the person detained Friday as “Steve” during an interview with Associated Press Television News.

She declined to give more details of his identity, but she said she believes more people could be detained in the case.

“This is just the beginning,” she said

Ashley on
June 17th, 2005 1:44 pm

so is his first name steve or did she just say that b/c of his initials s.g.c? i think they know more than we really do

David on
June 17th, 2005 1:46 pm

Where is santa lucia on the island? What landmarks are near?

Joe Bama on
June 17th, 2005 1:46 pm

Just announced on CNN. His name is Steve Croes and he is a DJ on the party boat Tattoo

fred on
June 17th, 2005 1:46 pm

Stefaan Croes?
A Smugglers’ Paradise

The Intercon Financial Bank on Aruba is represented by the law-firm Croes & Wever. One of the partners is former Minister of Justice Hendrik Croes. The firm’s trust-company Arulex was implicated in setting up the bank. “”Yes, we are involved with that bank”,” says Croes. “”We still handle all their legal affairs, but we don’t know anything of their financial accounts”.” (70)

Hendrik Croes Ã¢â‚¬” a brother of the island’s legendary leader, the late Betico Croes who guided Aruba to its semi-independent status in the Dutch realm Ã¢â‚¬” is one of the leading political figures on the island. He led several election campaigns for the MEP, now in the opposition. The Croes Family has been accused of ties with Cuntrera-Caruana. The Sicilian mafiosi payed for a trip of another brother, Rudy Croes (who succeeded Hendrik as Minister of Justice in a previous MEP government) as party secretary to a meeting of the Socialist International in Turkey. This has not been denied.

Paolo Cuntrera visited the island regularly despite his expulsion in 1988. The government opposed his legal actions for re-admittance. But Hendrik Croes has to admit the procedures were not stainless. A blundering government lawyer, an official who signed a residence permit ‘by mistake’, meant that “de facto” Paolo Cuntrera was able to circulate freely on the island.

According to Canadian police reports, in 1978, Pasquale Cuntrera owned the Holiday Inn Casino Ã¢â‚¬” although the registers indicated otherwise. “”At the start of 1980s the Cuntrera’s were often at the Holiday Inn casino”,” says a croupier. “”In 1989 they were there again, although they were ostensibly thrown of the island”.”

DEA agent David Lorino, the case-officer in Operation Wiseguy, claims that “”when the Cuntrera’s moved to Venezuela they carried some 15 to 30 million dollars with them, which were invested in hotels in Caracas, but also on CuraÃƒ §ao and Aruba”.” 71 The DEA had used the Miami-based Italian-born Venezuelan business man Raffaele Bellizzi to contact Pasquale Cuntrera. Before 1983 Bellizzi owned a shipping-company, but that year it went bankrupt because of the debt-crises in Venezuela. “”He told us that his ships transported narcotics and money from Caracas to Aruba and Europe”,”says Lorino. As mentioned before Canadian investigations show that the clan used Aruba as a trampoline for cocaine to North America. (72)

According to Lorino, “”the names Cuntrera and Caruana were well known on the island”.” Now nobody on Aruba wants to know that these gentle and well mannered Sicilians ever existed. “”Oh, but a lot of people knew them then”,”says Bianca de Mey, who set up the company “Investeringen Tweehonderd en Tien”, which was the holding for a nightclub and pizzeria for the Cuntreras. The company now has nothing to do with them any more, she adds.

The Cuntrera’s must have felt at home on Aruba. The island has been a smugglers’ paradise, since colonial times, when it was used to evade the Spanish trade monopoly. Whatever disagreements Arubans may have Ã¢â‚¬” and they have a lot Ã¢â‚¬” this is something they readily admit. Even Prime Minister Eman acknowledges “”it is an island of smugglers … For years Aruba was the most important coffee exporter, while there is no coffee-plant to be found on the island”.” Aruba is also the biggest exporter of Philip Morris cigarettes and every imaginable kind of whisky. On Aruba it is all imported and exported according to the rules. What they do at the other side on the South American mainland is not the problem of the islanders. Legal trade or contraband, the difference is thin. “”A lot of families became very rich with this trade”,”says Eman. “”This went on for

so how is steve likned with her missing and are they thinking that she might have been on that boat that he works on? they are coming up with more and more places to search adn they need to be getting info from these 4 boys in jail and they wouldnt have to keep looking if they would just keep pressuring them and they will crack

They don’t lack evidence, as far as “knowing” whats happend to her. They’re not telling. and for good reason. Figure it out. They abandoned the homicide theory.

Question now is, can they get her back. Time will tell.

Connie on
June 17th, 2005 1:52 pm

I need someone that’s computer savvy to tell me how to access the history files on my internet. While surfing one night I came accross some web cam footage from this tattoo cruise in Aruba. I can’t remember the site address and want to access the history so I can relocate it and check the footage again. Someone PLEASE help me.

KatCall on
June 17th, 2005 1:54 pm

Isn’t the last name Croes also the last name of some spokes person in the justice department in Aruba?

Justin T on
June 17th, 2005 1:54 pm

AP story:

Looking tired and angry, Holloway Twitty said she was increasingly unhappy with the lack of progress in the case.
“I want my daughter and I want her now,” she said. “It’s not that hard to figure out. … I’m very frustrated. We are in day 18 with no answers.”

Prengaman reports that while Hollway’s mother expects more suspects to be taken into custody, she doesn’t believe there’s a conspiracy afoot.
Latin America News
4th person detained in Aruba disappearance

Ashley on
June 17th, 2005 1:55 pm

connie i think that on the top of your bar on the internet it has a circle with a arrow and that is your history all you do is find the dat that you looked at it or what week

Justin T on
June 17th, 2005 1:56 pm

connie,

are you on internet explorer

Connie on
June 17th, 2005 1:57 pm

THANK You Ashley, I found it

karen on
June 17th, 2005 1:57 pm

Croes is the name of the Rudy Croes, the Minister of Justice.

Ashley on
June 17th, 2005 1:59 pm

your welcome connie, do you think there is something on the web cam? if you find it let us see it

I am not sure whether Aruba is just arresting people to keep the Americans thinking that they are doing something or what the hell is going on. At any rate, why would they listen to anything that the three suspects have to say. They already arrested the two security guards because of what those boys said. Only to release them a few days later. Aruban does not know what the hell they are doing. All they have done is procrastinate and basically destroy evidence. In my opinion Aruba is stringing Natalee’s parents along and to get them off their back they keep arresting people. Well they can act like they are doing something until hell freezes over. They obviously aren’t doing what needs to be done or they would have found Natalee by now!

Mecha-Godzilla on
June 17th, 2005 2:08 pm

KatCall……you’ve got to laugh it up a little. Imagine him with his British accent:”Hello??…I’m Nigel, would you like to see me drawings of me unit?”

Ashley on
June 17th, 2005 2:09 pm

i am with you heather they should have already had something and it does not take this long when aruba isnt that big they need to be doing something or let the U.S have there peolpe come over there and find her and then take her home

Funny that Steve Croes has the same last name as the spokeswoman for the
Attorney General, or prosecuter. Any connetction there?

Ashley on
June 17th, 2005 2:12 pm

thats what im saying observer, why in the hell dont they let the americans take over and let us do this and handle it, we would already had natalle home if shes alive but if not we would have already had this case done unlike the arubans are doing

KatCall on
June 17th, 2005 2:13 pm

There have been lies thrown in all directions thus far. Initially, the 3 suspects in custody now went with this story initially…….let’s place suspicion and blame on DE BLACK MON! This was callous and rude and deceitful to say the least! When you lie from the beginning, another lie and more lies will surface. This is exactly why this case has not been solved! Lies and more lies!

alabama journalist on
June 17th, 2005 2:14 pm

lots of info on the internet about a steve croes in aruba who is a pilot??? Also a link to the homepage of a steve croes in aruba, couldn’t link to it said the page had expired. The media outlet I work for already has sound from Croes’s uncle, haven’t had a chance to watch it yet but it will be all over the news tonight, nationally Im sure.

Bush needs to pull us out of war with the Middle East and put our boys in Aruba… Time to kick some lying Aruban’s ass!!! Team American… ya know the new movie with the little puppets? Yeah they could do a better job than Aruba at solving Natalee’s kidnapping!

tlhs on
June 17th, 2005 2:14 pm

This may have been mentioned before – what if they did have their way with her that night and she threatened that they would pay because when she got back to the states she would make sure that their names and pictures (she probably had some pictures of them in her camera) would be revealed. She would make sure the news media and all the connections she has through her parents they would be in big trouble. Van Slut Daddy would be disappointed – would make Aruba look bad – so they decided she couldn’t go back to the states but maybe they didn’t have it in them (hopefully) to kill her so they called this guys to make some arrangements. That is not written real well – I wanted to throw it out there but didn’t have much time.

Mecha-Godzilla on
June 17th, 2005 2:15 pm

J Girl, read my post. 10% of the Aruban population has Croes as their last name. It’s like Smith or Jones………Dutch spelling of the latin name Cruz.

Ashley on
June 17th, 2005 2:16 pm

thats right heather they are not doing well and it makes us americans mad that we cant do anything about this b/c its in aruba, well shes an american and if i was her mom i would be pushing that they come over here and help them dumb ass arubans find her

I say boycott Aruba not just b/c of the way the police and government are screwing up this investigation, but also because of how the locals will not speak up. If the locals really know what’s going on on the ground (as others here state), they must have some credible idea about what could have theoretically happened and about the credibility of these suspects. The fact that the locals are staying quiet is what’s even more upsetting.

MaryAnn Croes spokesperson for Aruba just answered the question about the name Croes..very common name on Island and he is not related to her

AnnapolisArubaFan on
June 17th, 2005 2:17 pm

reward amount…anybody know where it stands?…
if median island income is $22K, a real reward might break the ice here

Jeff Dowder on
June 17th, 2005 2:18 pm

I agree…..we should invade the..eh..United States of Aruba and arrest those Kalpoe guys. Time to bring them back to the U.S. and make them work at 7-11 where they belong selling lotto tickets.

Mark 2 on
June 17th, 2005 2:18 pm

lol. Justin T, since you seem like such a nice person, I will give you both the statue and ocean front property in Arizona for $5,000. If you can’t swing that, I am sure we can work out a payment plan of some kind. Heck, I’ll even throw in my tower in Italy for an extra $1,000 since it is sorta crooked.

Seriously, maybe our prayers have been heard and Natalee is still alive. Getting her back won’t be easy, but God can answer those prayers too.

Also, I know it is common to get a judge from Caracoa in “high profile” cases in Aruba , but getting a judge from an island that has a reputation for sex slaves to rule objectively concerning these guys concerns me. Maybe I am just getting paranoid in my old age.

Elvis Pretzel on
June 17th, 2005 2:19 pm

Justin T: no one is placing blame as this is still an unsolved case – However ignoring the obvious mistakes made (here or anywhere) and not sharing it and learning from it is really stupid.

Imagine if everybody thought like you and never applied learning from mistakes to improve the quality of their (and other peoples)existence?

Thank God people like you are a permanent minority. Your worst nightmare would be to wake up in a world where everybody thought like you and no one applied learning from mistakes and no one ever admitted fault or acknowledged right from wrong.

I’ll bet you would love that. I only wish all of you wishy washy do – nothings could be put on an island somewhere (for a year or so) to survive on next to nothing and to learn how to cop to mistakes and develop backbone.

You would come out of it a better person. We need more of that in here in America.

(and if you dont care why dont you get the f*@ck out -you and everybody like you)

Do me a favor – if and when you reply to this blog, try addressing the content of my blog (instead of some short retarded knee jerk comment -anybody can do that) and explain to all of us why not learning from the obvious mistakes made leading to Natalees disappearance would help our society and other parts of the world.

Personally, I have two opinions on what happened to Natalee. I think (1) She was out with all of those boys and they gave her some kind of drug in her drink, she continued to drink, then she died. The boys panicked and they are now trying to cover up what happened to her. (2) She resisted sex with them and they killed her brutally because they were scared of what she could do in the states to their reps. They might as well confess to what they did… They aren’t going to get laid ever again anyways unless it’s by a guy named Bubba in the jail showers!

JMO, but I think theis Steve guy is involved in the coverup after the fact..

Checkme on
June 17th, 2005 2:28 pm

Jeff Dowder,
Sorry but you are mistaken. If you would have looked the early days pics of NH searchings you would have seen them… They were all over the news also… They are the first ones that existed on this earth, started December 1665, by a guy named Peter Stuyvesant… Rings a bell?

Checkme~~~~~on his profile under business all it says is 1st officer. is that a rank in the marines? do tell more!!!!

Justin T on
June 17th, 2005 2:38 pm

Elivs,

You are so clueless it is almost not worth a response. BUT.. I will indulge your moronic point of view. Wasting time right now on the whys is STUPID and a WASTE of engery and resources. It’s called setting your priorites. This is obviously not something you grasp! Its simple though The other issues can be addressed at a more approprate time. This isn’t it but someone like yourself does not have the capacity to understand what it takes to solve a current crisis and you would rather go home and think about what could of been…. Get a life

Checkme on
June 17th, 2005 2:39 pm

He could, raw bastards they were for sure. LOL

Joe Bama on
June 17th, 2005 2:39 pm

Kevin, Friends have been known to help other friends cover up crimes…

Checkme on
June 17th, 2005 2:41 pm

He could not have been than a NCO, maybe corporal after he left. The Arubmil usually did not stay in service long enough to get any significant ranking. But for sure not an officer.

Justin T on
June 17th, 2005 2:41 pm

Mother decries lack of answers

Despite a massive search operation throughout the island, Aruban authorities have found no sign of Holloway, who has been missing since May 30. (Full story)

” I really don’t have any information. We’re kind of sitting back. We’ve had negotiations. You know, I’ve been here 16 days I think now and talked to the FBI (search), I’ve talked to police. It’s a tough investigation. But I feel assured that they’re doing everything possible to try to find Natalee. And I’ve been assured Ã¢â‚¬” you know, we get updates from the FBI every day. They’re working right alongside with the Aruban police and government, and hopefully, are going to, you know, bring it to an end shortly.”
Interested in others thoughts…especially the negotiations statement

Justin T on
June 17th, 2005 2:57 pm

If any of you all feel so inclined it may be a good idea to say a prayer for Beth Holloway Twitty right now. From all the latest reports she seems to be really struggling. Just a thought

[...] talks about a previous relationship Joran was in and how it ended. Earlier I linked to a post at Scared Monkeys on the “fourth suspect” topic. Stay tuned to [...]

Jane on
June 17th, 2005 3:01 pm

Justin T
Where did you find that quote from Mrs holloway and what is the date of that quote?
tks

tideroller on
June 17th, 2005 3:01 pm

Couldn’t some of the bloggers be being just a bit harsh with Elvis Pretzel here? I see investigating the WHY as possibly helpful in investigating the WHAT (happened). At any rate, if anything is to be learned from this, everything must come to light. If we don’t know how the girl entered the car (willingly, unwillingly, drunk, not drunk, etc.) other young girls might continue to be too trusting of “cool quys that they just met”. Also, if the truth is not brought out about just what type of people frequent bars like Carlos’n'Charlies other young girls won’t have a clue about what type of creeps they might run into there. Also, if the truth does not come out about what typically goes on during some of these ‘chaperoned’ class trips, parents might continue to delude themselves into thinking that “their child would never do anything like that”. I say that no information regarding this case or the circumstances leading up to it should be suppressed. Otherwise whatever Natalee may have gone through and suffered would be in vain.

Kris on
June 17th, 2005 3:01 pm

Justin,

Are you watching the news? I will say a prayer for her. I have also contacted my church and we will all pray for the family.

Connie on
June 17th, 2005 3:04 pm

Out of curiosity, I did a thing at tickle.com there are over 200 people from there with profiles. I’m wondering if there’s possibly anyone else with a profile there that could be connected. Didn’t both the brothers have profiles there too?

Justin T on
June 17th, 2005 3:08 pm

Kris,

Read one report and saw an interview.. She is struggling alot today. I think it is all catching up to her…. I feel so bad for them all I could not imagine dealing with this and hope I never have too.

Amanda on
June 17th, 2005 3:09 pm

one of them did

Kris on
June 17th, 2005 3:12 pm

My sentiments exactly.

KatCall on
June 17th, 2005 3:13 pm

Mecha-Godzilla:

Have you thought about stand up comedy?

Justin T on
June 17th, 2005 3:13 pm

tideroller,

I dont disagree with what your saying but from what happened in this case looking at why she left with them at this point is not going to do anything for anyone. Yes, issues need to be looked at.

As far as Elvis my first response to him was not an attack a I just simply replied/commented and then after he laid into me I responded a little more direct after he attacked me on a personnel level. No big deal

Justin T on
June 17th, 2005 3:15 pm

Jane,

It is on an AP story and on CNN

Just Wondering on
June 17th, 2005 3:16 pm

I guess Steve Croes is/was an EMT….this is dated from 2001.
Maybe they went to him about a medical situation.

Mariaine Croes, spokeswoman for the Aruban Attorney General Caren Janssen

concerned4natalee on
June 17th, 2005 3:21 pm

they HAVE to know SOMETHING by now..is the deal?

Bogey_Blusey_Chaston on
June 17th, 2005 3:21 pm

I read somewhere he worked on a party boat named Tattoo. Have you read that anywhere?

concerned4natalee on
June 17th, 2005 3:22 pm

i have read that… are they implying that natalee was on that boat the night she went missing? they need to develop a better timeline?

Marshall on
June 17th, 2005 3:24 pm

The deal is, we are on the outside looking in. Did any have a location the quote from Natalee’s step-father ?

Kris on
June 17th, 2005 3:25 pm

Marshall,
The quote is from an interview with Fox News. I’ll find a link for you

concerned4natalee on
June 17th, 2005 3:25 pm

here’s more news from her mom, today, at 1:59 p.m.

Holloway’s mother said she believed there might be more arrests before the case was resolved. She did not elaborate.

The person “suspected of being involved” in Holloway’s disappearance was identified by the attorney general’s office only as a 26-year-old with the initials S.G.C. The office did not disclose any more details, but Holloway’s mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, referred to the person detained Friday as “Steve” during an interview with Associated Press Television News.

She declined to give more details of his identity, but she said she believes more people could be detained in the case.

“This is just the beginning,” she said.

concerned4natalee on
June 17th, 2005 3:25 pm

here’s more news from her mom, today, at 1:59 p.m.

Holloway’s mother said she believed there might be more arrests before the case was resolved. She did not elaborate.

The person “suspected of being involved” in Holloway’s disappearance was identified by the attorney general’s office only as a 26-year-old with the initials S.G.C. The office did not disclose any more details, but Holloway’s mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, referred to the person detained Friday as “Steve” during an interview with Associated Press Television News.

She declined to give more details of his identity, but she said she believes more people could be detained in the case.

“This is just the beginning,” she said.

KatCall on
June 17th, 2005 3:25 pm

I am married to a cop and believe me, interrogations are brutally stressful. Someone WILL CRACK. Just be patient! I know it has been almost 3 weeks since NH has been missing and her family is undergoing insurmountable stress and worry. Have faith and continue praying for NH and her family. God’s answer is near.

KatCall:
won’t the boys be in MORE trouble the LONGER they are quiet about what happend….

concerned4natalee on
June 17th, 2005 3:31 pm

how long was laci peterson missing (in the water) until her body washed ashore? does anyone remember?

Elvis Pretzel on
June 17th, 2005 3:32 pm

Justin T: Clueless is an accusation people make when they are losing an argument FYI (cheap diversion -is that all you got?) like you’re the only one who feels for Beth Holloway Twitty (Where did that come from?) Sounds really fake dude.
By the way, I believe in a Creator (I am not an atheist) but people like you and Kris who have to make public displays about praying and your churches many times end up being the biggest phonies of all. Who cares about your church or your prayers anyhow?If your prayers and feelings are sincere (real) they are better kept between you, the Creator and the people you are praying for. Public displays of faith are boring. The people with the real faith very seldom bring it up in public unless they are a missionary or a preacher.

No matter what either of you (JT/K) say in your replies everything I said is not opinion but proven fact, so the last word lives here.

Now Justin, go back to my earlier blog about learning from this so as to prevent some of it from ever happening again unless you are a stubborn sissy.

Laughing at you and any of you other idiots that dont get it

On behalf of the people who really care about how stupid it is that this had to happen in the first place,

(“those who do not learn from the past are condemned to repeat it” remember that one?)

Elvis P

concerned4natalee on
June 17th, 2005 3:32 pm

have officials even searched the water???

KatCall on
June 17th, 2005 3:32 pm

concerned4natalee:

Yes those boys will be in MUCH MORE trouble the longer they hinder the progress of an investigation by continuously lying. This will only add on more charges down the line.

marie from maine on
June 17th, 2005 3:34 pm

the other site had a book review by steve- EMERGENCY TECH …
think they called him for help?

RescueOurKids on
June 17th, 2005 3:37 pm

An appeal to the United States – from an International Activist for Children

Millions of little children, some as young as 5 yrs old, are at the mercy of human traffickers. I pray that the US press & people will not give up on this case. I hope that these events will eventually lead to the complete demolition of every filthy trafficking ring and put an end to this horrendous flesh trade…forever…

Lord, have mercy on our children….

MOMfromMO on
June 17th, 2005 3:40 pm

Elvis: Hope you don’t hurt yourself…up there on that HIGH-HORSE of yours.

Laci Peterson was found 4 months after her murder. She was killed in December and her headless armless torso washed up in April and her baby Connor washed up 1 day before her body did.

concerned4natalee on
June 17th, 2005 3:43 pm

heather: thanks.. just wondering if they have even searched the ocean… i know it’s quite large, but pretty logical place to search

KatCall on
June 17th, 2005 3:44 pm

Note the step-father mentioned the word “negotiations are going on. This means ONE will eventually take a deal to receive lesser charges perhaps. Never forget this old saying….”If I must go down, then everyone else involved in going down with me:”. Someone will spill their ENTIRE GUTS soon. The human psyche isn;t equpped to take on continuous pressure. Especially with a high profile case such as this!

MOMfromMO on
June 17th, 2005 3:44 pm

from courttv.com:

Laci’s remains did not wash up until April 14th….3 1/2 mos. later.

cr8zn2004 on
June 17th, 2005 3:45 pm

ORANJESTAD, Aruba – A party boat disc jockey was detained Friday on suspicion of being involved in the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway, who vanished nearly three weeks ago while celebrating her high school graduation, authorities and his employer said.

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Meanwhile, Holloway’s mother said she believed there might be more arrests before the case was resolved. She did not elaborate.

Steve Gregory Croes, whom authorities earlier identified only by the initials S.G.C., said he was contacted by police Thursday night and went to the station voluntarily to give a statement, said his employer, Marcus Wiggins.

Croes was the fourth person detained in the May 30 disappearance of Holloway, 18. Croes also said he knew one of two Surinamese brothers being detained in the case because they went to the same Internet cafe, Wiggins told The Associated Press.

concerned4natalee on
June 17th, 2005 3:46 pm

boston lyn:
thanx… i sure hope natalie is still alive….if not, then I pray that the family doesn’t have to wait that long for her body to be found…

Jeff Dowder on
June 17th, 2005 3:46 pm

Elvis sounds like he’s about to squeeze out a coast-to-coast log out of his rear end. He needs to like settle down or something.

Kris on
June 17th, 2005 3:46 pm

KatCall,

Thanks for your thoughts. That is how I took that comment as well.

BHAMDAD on
June 17th, 2005 3:49 pm

Looking at the book on Amazon, could it be that he was contacted by JVDS et al to help Natalee? Maybe she fell, or maybe she was injured by them in an attack, or maybe she was slipped drugs by them and needed medical care?

Also, there is another Steve Croes in ARuba, and he is a stocky guy that looks to be of Venezuelan descent…not the same, and I think he is the one that is referred to as the “pilot” or “emt”…. not the same as the one arrested.

Florida Girl on
June 17th, 2005 3:51 pm

Fox just confirmed he was a disc jockey on a cruise boat

Steven Gregory Croes

Billyboy leroy from alabama on
June 17th, 2005 3:52 pm

I think , this has happend

once upon a time there was a man called steve croes was the writer of a first aid book , but bored with his live witing books on emergencies , he decided he wanted to be a disc jockey on a tropical island , so he did some cosmetical operations , provided by a anonimous corperation ran by two former security guards in venezuela . In order to blend in on aruba he needed to buy a new indentity , with the help of a young kid (joran van der sloot) father (paul van der sloot) who father had influence in the local law system. So smuggled him on a boat called the tatoo to aruba an provided him with a new passport the courier for this passport was lorenzo . Then one day on the island appeard a nice young lady called natalee who per coincidence liked reading books on emergencys uncovered on her last night out poor steve a writer of books. Steve panicked that is true indentity would be uncovered and that he was not the cool disc jockey he claimed to be but a writer of books on emergencies . So steve offered her a large sum of money enough to start a new life unoticed to say nothing about the whole ordeal. So she went on her last night out with the sun of the judge and 2 brothers, the karpoe brothers” who provided security to dig up a large sum with money hidden near the light house . Then she hid in a cave for a while before being flown out to another country with an helicopter with an infared camera to an other country ………………………….

Kris on
June 17th, 2005 3:53 pm

Wow Elvis,
Just got around to reading you post, an with all do respect-WTF??? I don’t really believe that Justin and I by saying that we are praying make us phony at all. If nothing else, we are as a community coming together during a horrible time to try and get answers and resolution.

And I would love to know what makes you think that the last word rests with you. That’s laughable. Finally, if you do not have anything to say regarding the topic of this forum, I suggest you google religion and then you can have your last word there.

KatCall on
June 17th, 2005 3:56 pm

concerned4natalee:

Negotiations means the transfer of legal information from one to another in terms of settling the case and brokering a deal with the attorney representing the suspected individual. Simply put….a deal is most likely being worked out so that the suspect WILLING TO TELL ALL can receive lesser charges than the others that are not willing tell the truth.

Jeff Dowder on
June 17th, 2005 3:56 pm

Billy boy….I think that you’re pretty cool but if you want us to continue liking you I suggest you stop smoking those ” funny” cigarettes.

Fascinating thought on that Emergency Tech book, if Croes is certified, he would have been a logical call to make if something went wrong that night. Maybe he couldn’t revive her and immediately split saying he didn’t want anything to do with it. They pull him in on arrest, he rolls over on the boy(s), and voila, things start moving quicker. Just thoughts but interesting developments today.

Florida Girl on
June 17th, 2005 3:58 pm

BillyBoy – stop wasting space, our time and most of all making jokes of this terrible situation!

concerned4natalee on
June 17th, 2005 3:58 pm

BHAMDAD:
good thinking! do we know for sure that “steve” is an EMT

Marshall on
June 17th, 2005 3:59 pm

BillyBoy,
The kids AOL chat room is down the hall…you are not funny.

Florida Girl on
June 17th, 2005 4:01 pm

there is another Steve Croes in ARuba, and he is a stocky guy that looks to be of Venezuelan descent…not the same, and I think he is the one that is referred to as the “pilot” or “emt”…. not the same as the one arrested.

rclesq on
June 17th, 2005 4:01 pm

Negotiations could also mean her return if she is being held against her will – if that is the case, all the more reason that everything has been so hush hush.

concerned4natalee on
June 17th, 2005 4:02 pm

thanks Kat call… that makes sense

KatCall on
June 17th, 2005 4:03 pm

rclesq:

Same thing….transfer of information regarding Natalee.

Checkme on
June 17th, 2005 4:03 pm

Billyboy leroy,

Very good story dude!!! You forgot to mention that she met Steve during a wild ride through the Aruba streets…

concerned4natalee on
June 17th, 2005 4:04 pm

does anyone know if they have talked to the other security guard that was released wed>

Hey Elvis,
Eventhough you sound a little harsh I agree with you.
Ok now that this has been settled, please join me in prayer……

Jeff Dowder on
June 17th, 2005 4:06 pm

Billyboy is totally not cool or funny. I bet he’s a nerd and plays Dungeons and Dragons with that Steve Pretzel guy…..

KatCall on
June 17th, 2005 4:06 pm

Is it billyboy or billyBOOB? What a TAIL of a story!

VANESSA on
June 17th, 2005 4:06 pm

Well folks, I have a relative in the FBI and I can tell you they are NOT going to tell us ANYTHING until the case is solved. Call it withholding info, call it what you please. You can rest assured that her family is briefed, but told not to speak on the information they have been given. The fact that Mrs. Twitty speaks of her daughter in the present tense is a very, very good sign.

Kris on
June 17th, 2005 4:09 pm

Vanessa,
Do you think that her interviews as of late have been more “upbeat”? I thought that her tone was a positive sign.

VANESSA on
June 17th, 2005 4:11 pm

Without a doubt Kris )
Read between the lines and draw your own conclusion…………..watch Natalee’s Mother’s moods in future interviews…..it will speak volumes of what is going on behind the scenes.

G on
June 17th, 2005 4:12 pm

Billyboy!
How did you find out all those interesting facts, you must have an FBI relative or something! Is your story really true? Is Steve Croes really an undercover emergency book writer? Wow, this is unbelievable!

Dave on
June 17th, 2005 4:12 pm

With all the pics out of these two new suspects. I wonder if any of NH friends recognize them from hanging around the club or hotels while they were there?

Elvis Pretzel on
June 17th, 2005 4:12 pm

MOM from MO: no one is on a high horse here. Go back to my last blog. Could it be that you are one of those (“church and prayer public display” phonies that were mentioned? If you are, too bad. You need to hear the real truth.

If you go back even further you will see that all I have been saying was we can all learn from the obvious negligence and mistakes that were made in this situation.

What the hell problem could you or anybody else (Justin T and co.) have with that?

ADDRESS THAT YOU RETARDS !!

(Please really think before replying and make it more than one sentence – pretend like your trying to write a prize winning commentary for your local newspaper – or better yet pretend like someone will pay you for the quality of your response-these 4-5 word knee jerk “clever clever” replys are so lame)

To Jeff Dowder:

ditto

To tideroller: thanks for having a brain and using it (for real)

To: Billyboy Leroy from Alabama:

thanks for a really weird and retarded story that you made up. Now put that PCP away before its too late !!

Elvis P.

Jeff Dowder on
June 17th, 2005 4:14 pm

Why can’t they solve this mystery…..I mean..Aruba is so small, they recently installed central a AC system for the whole island.

All,
OK, I think we have kicked Billy enough. Billy, you sound as though you are a clever fellow. Wanna add anything on a more serious note?

Amanda on
June 17th, 2005 4:16 pm

The reason is no one seems to be talking and yes it is small but there are large number of hiding places especially if you don’t want someone or something found.

And how do you know that they don’t have it solved and they are covering thier asses to make sure it the right answer

blogger info on
June 17th, 2005 4:16 pm

My brother works in law enforcement at a very high level in the US (FBI Level) and is involved with the goings on in the Carribean including Aruba. I agree with Vanessa that no info will come out until it is over. But he was able to tell me that what happened to NH is not what everyone thinks. Prayers are being answered. I will leave it at that.

Jeff Dowder on
June 17th, 2005 4:19 pm

whooe….that Pretzel dude is back. His friends affectionately named him pretzel because his unit looks like on of those you buy at the food court

KatCall on
June 17th, 2005 4:19 pm

Acutally Elvis P is right on point. I am a mother of 2. A daughter and a son. My son just exprienced something in life that he has now LEARNED from. Experience is a true teacher in life. My daughter is only 8 years old and I am not so sure I could have the strength and resolve Natalee’s mother has.

If you look on the latest news reports about teens partying like crazy in Aruba to this date…..as if NH’s case has not taught them a lesson. This is exactly what Elvis P. is trying to convey to us all.

Just Wondering on
June 17th, 2005 4:19 pm

BillyBob makes a good point.
Blogs throw out a 1000 theories and 1000 permutations.
There is no responsible reason to get the story the right, corroborate stories, etc.
Just take a rumor or a theory and post it.

Sort of like a psychic…..maybe they are right 1 out of 10,000 times.
It is that right one that gets the attention.

I guess that is why Blogs have become popular and powerful.
Unfortunately, the MSM feels the need to keep up. So, they let their standards slip for the sake of speed and sensationalism…..and look what we wind up with.

Where is the truth? Where is the responsibility?

I’m out of here.

Marshall on
June 17th, 2005 4:20 pm

Blogger,

You either ROCK or SUCK SQUID!!! If you are for real, thanks for the hope.

concerned4natalee on
June 17th, 2005 4:21 pm

was this partial article from today? because if so, then nat’s mom seems more aggrevated.. not peaceful like some of you are saying?

Looking tired and angry, Holloway Twitty said she was increasingly unhappy with the lack of progress.

“I want my daughter and I want her now,” she said. “It’s not that hard to figure out. … I’m very frustrated. We are in day 18 with no answers.”

G on
June 17th, 2005 4:21 pm

Jeff Dowder,
I think it was a heat pump, yes I’m pretty sure, a heat pump! not an A/C1 What’s wrong with you? You know the heat pump, right? “It heats, it cools and it saves”.

Amanda on
June 17th, 2005 4:21 pm

blogger info that’s not really fair. . . . I don’t know why you would do that. . . . Should we interogate ou til you crack and tell us all what you know.

concerned4natalee on
June 17th, 2005 4:23 pm

blogger info, is she alive?

VANESSA on
June 17th, 2005 4:24 pm

I hear ya blogger !! It isn’t always as it seems, now is it?? Hard for those of us on the outside of the case to understand, but this thing apparently is so much bigger than anyone of us could have ever imagined I do believe. Have faith in the law enforcement agencies, the FBI & understand it is all happening (the misinformation, etc) for a reason that we are not privy to at this time. Be patient…………the waiting will soon be over and all questions will be answered.

blogger info on
June 17th, 2005 4:24 pm

Its real. My brother obviously can not disclose details of what his office knows (i.e. whether she is alive or not) but assured me that the investigation has been coming together very rapidly and that the once called keystone cops of Aruba will leave everyone surprised.

smore on
June 17th, 2005 4:25 pm

Is there anyone on this forum from Aruba? I would like to know if other women have come up missing…. maybe local women? Maybe foreign women from countries other than the U.S. How about women missing from other neighboring islands?

Also, I was thinking there might be some connection with this Carlos and Charlie’s place. Maybe there is a newly formed group there, or close to there, who might have been trying to find some “new recruits” for a sex slavery place.

Here’s a scenario: The three “youths” come upon Natalee at Carlos and Charlie’s, perhaps befriend her, slip something in her drink, and offer to “take her to the beach”, where someone with a boat is waiting….. Joran offers to take her, and the brothers go home, where about an hour later, they receive a text message from Joran, perhaps to let them know the “package was delivered”……

BhamNativeGirl on
June 17th, 2005 4:26 pm

Funny to see how some people have nothing better to do than sit & try to stir up stuff & get in computer fights with people..actually, not funny, but pretty darn sad…

Bogey_Blusey_Chaston on
June 17th, 2005 4:27 pm

Do you think they will find Amy Bradley with NAtalee?

whoknows on
June 17th, 2005 4:29 pm

smore: exactly. that is my big fear. God, I hope that the human trafficking that goes on down here is exposed to the world…. so that it can be stopped.

I pray that this is NOT what happened to Natalee… but I do hope that human trafficking is brought more to the media’s attention because of this. the world’s ‘dirty little secret’ must be exposed and eradicated!

concerned4natalee on
June 17th, 2005 4:29 pm

no one is fighting here… just trying to figure out what’s going on- just like the rest of the entire world! there has to be answers.

G on
June 17th, 2005 4:30 pm

smore, you really think so? that’s a scary thought! Sex slavery, does that really exist? Are any of you aware of anything like this going on in Aruba?

BhamNativeGirl on
June 17th, 2005 4:30 pm

I was referring to Elvis.

AtlantaGuy on
June 17th, 2005 4:31 pm

This whole thing is killing me!

concerned4natalee on
June 17th, 2005 4:32 pm

what do the two other vehicles (besides silver honda) have to do with anything- are those his parent’s cars? confused

Bogey_Blusey_Chaston on
June 17th, 2005 4:32 pm

AMy Bradley disappeared from a cruise liner, in port at Aruba , 7 years ago. Her mom stated some men she met on the ship wanted to take her to Carlos and Charlies. Mexico has been BIG in the human traffiking business for a while. I saw a special on it.

G on
June 17th, 2005 4:32 pm

AtlantaGuy Says:

June 17th, 2005 at 4:31 pm
This whole thing is killing me!

what do you mean?

concerned4natalee on
June 17th, 2005 4:33 pm

bhamnative girl, oh.. ok.. that’s cool

Raven's Mom on
June 17th, 2005 4:33 pm

The Amy Bradley and Natalee Holloway cases have many similarities that I don’t think are coincidental. I bet if they find out what happened to Natalee, they will solve the Amy Bradley case. It does seem as though they now have enough information to solve the Natalee case and are just not divulging the details until they know they can prove they have an ironclad case. Prayers for Natalee and all involved!

concerned4natalee on
June 17th, 2005 4:35 pm

raven’s mom, i sure hope so! i heard that amy bradley’s parents are actively trying to help in NH’s case

blogger info on
June 17th, 2005 4:36 pm

Just spoke to my brother again. To prove my credibility there is going to be some newer developments announced in the next few hours.

Elvis Pretzel on
June 17th, 2005 4:36 pm

To Kris: just read your latest post. Here are some corrections for you:

a). I did not say that praying makes you phony, I said PUBLIC DISPLAYS of prayer,church etc… MANY TIMES (not all the time) come from phonies.

You cannot argue with that.

b). everybody and anybody with a heart and a brain would want “answers and resolution” on this – again, what insecurity in people like you makes it so you think that your concern is above anyone elses? Perhaps in your upbringing (or lack of an honest one?) pray tell…

c) the ultimate “last word” does not rest with any of us. But on the original blog I sent (which is ALL ABOUT THIS FORUM by the way) you will recall that my intent was for all of us to step back and look at how much our society needs to learn from what caused this (and all of the other drunk driving,date rape,physical abuse,murder etc…) so as to at least CUT DOWN on it as none of us can ever stop it all together. In that respect the last word was delivered by me (on that subject line) as sure as the sun rises in the east.

Now let me send some love your way because I know your intent is good but that you resist REAL lessons for the same stubborn, egocentric FEAR DRIVEN reasons a lot of other do nothings (Jeff Dowder?) do…

p.s.: have a great weekend and lets all pull for (perhaps) a surprise ending with Natalee being found alive. It is still possible. (remember Elisabeth Smart? runaway bride?)

Elvis P.

G on
June 17th, 2005 4:37 pm

Amy Bradley was seen by her own brother during the docking process in Curacao, not Aruba. She probably fell overboard and drowned. I think it has absolutely nothing to do with the Holloway case. Prayers for both of them and the rest of you (sorry Elvis, I can’t help myself)

Chaston, excellent observation and corrolation. It compliments an obvious theory.

Overall, I’m encouraged with the latest events. If negotiations are ongoing, I believe the authorities have good reason or evidence to suggest Nathalie Holloway is alive.

Lets hope they can find her and bring her home.

whoknows on
June 17th, 2005 4:39 pm

Raven’s Mom – I agree. The human trafficking ring in Mexico is HUGE – and the government, customs officials, local authoraties are all complicit in it. This has to be why everything is so hush hush – how do you combat something that big in such a small span of time? and make sure NH is alive at the end? Keep praying… God can accomplish ANYTHING and He surely wants this evil eradicated. Pray that Natalee is protected and healed, safe and strong, wherever she may be. (CGI issues, apologies if this is posted many times.)

Raven's Mom on
June 17th, 2005 4:39 pm

To Concerned: Amy’s family knows the pain the Holloways and extended family are enduring and I am sure are very sympathetic. I am also sure they feel that any information they gain will put them that much closer to finding out what might have happened to their daughter.

concerned4natalee on
June 17th, 2005 4:39 pm

so blogger info, where should i look for this news, and thanks!

Lucy on
June 17th, 2005 4:40 pm

Bogey: Amy Bradley disappeared in CuraÃƒ §ao.

Smore: Checkme is from Aruba.

eagle on
June 17th, 2005 4:41 pm

blogger info – that does not prove your credibility because new developments are being announced daily on the NH story. You need to do more to prove your credibility.

Where is your brother stationed with the FBI?
Is Natalie alive?
Is Joran innocent?

If you give us info – that in no way is wrong. Plus how is your brother going to know that you are giving info on a website anyway?

G on
June 17th, 2005 4:42 pm

that’s it I’m out of here, nobody cares about my thoughts and feelings and it hurts.

concerned4natalee on
June 17th, 2005 4:44 pm

PLEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAASEEEEEE tell us if she is ok or not?

Checkme on
June 17th, 2005 4:44 pm

Thanks Lucy. Sex slaves? Women from Latin America come here voluntarily and make enough money for the rest of their lives. Human trafficking? Try Europe and US, not to and fro Aruba.

Bogey_Blusey_Chaston on
June 17th, 2005 4:44 pm

G and Lucy, Sorry, it was the island you mentioned. I stated Aruba in error. However, the Carlos and Charlies thing is accurate. I have not looked at a map but I believe the two islands are near each other.

pktbk on
June 17th, 2005 4:44 pm

g….is it all about you?

if a pilot saw the bradley girl at the brothel, then how could she have drowned?
i hope this all breaks this weekend. i can’t take another week!

concerned4natalee on
June 17th, 2005 4:45 pm

oh G, don’t leave, we are trying to get somewhere with blogger info.. this could get interesting..

Joe Bama on
June 17th, 2005 4:46 pm

Blogger, if you can give a hint of the info it may help..

Marshall on
June 17th, 2005 4:46 pm

Blogger
You are walking a fine line here. Just let it go.

whoknows on
June 17th, 2005 4:47 pm

blogger – loose lips sink ships. you don’t know if the bad guys are reading this board, too. say nothing! we can wait!

blogger info on
June 17th, 2005 4:47 pm

Concerned4natalee –

My guess is the networks will all start hearing about it and reporting it soon. Also, I don’t know if this is relavant to the NH case or coincidental and therefore should be considrered UNRELIABLE until confirmed but I am made to understand that FBI and DEA agents working in Venezuela with Venezualan government officials are making their way to a village north of a town called Adicora (sp.). I don’t know where Adicora is – if anyone can help please advise.

Checkme on
June 17th, 2005 4:47 pm

Development from Justice halls Aruba:
Kalpoe brothers may have to go to KIA, the big prison in Aruba…

Bogey_Blusey_Chaston on
June 17th, 2005 4:47 pm

PKT and Atlanta… I am with you, I hope it is resolved this weekend. It couldnt get any better, .. I am an employee of a corporation whose ex-ceo was found guilty today! Combine that with finding Nat and my weekend would be great!

Jeff Dowder on
June 17th, 2005 4:49 pm

easy now

rob on
June 17th, 2005 4:49 pm

adicora is in the nort part of venezuela(falcon state) about 25 miles fron aruba

and i never said he was in the FBI – I said FBI level. Read Post please.

Marshall on
June 17th, 2005 4:50 pm

Blogger
It is no wonder TSC skipped you. Shut the hell up.

pktbk on
June 17th, 2005 4:50 pm

bogey-LOL that would be a good weekend, huh? was he part of the tyco case?

blogger info on
June 17th, 2005 4:52 pm

Marshall:

Who is TSC?

Checkme on
June 17th, 2005 4:53 pm

From Justice hall:
There seems to be no proof against the kalpoe brothers and there is a lot if investigation still to be done…

G on
June 17th, 2005 4:53 pm

it’s ok I’ll get over it, but it’s friday, it’s almost five so I’m going home!!

Brianna on
June 17th, 2005 4:53 pm

the 4th arrest is Steve Gregory Croes, a dj onboard a tourist boat

Marshall on
June 17th, 2005 4:54 pm

Nevermind. Just finish your squid.

Checkme on
June 17th, 2005 4:54 pm

according to the brothers’ attorney Mr. Oomen. Expecting a ruling tonite or tomorrow.

Bogey_Blusey_Chaston on
June 17th, 2005 4:54 pm

PKT .. yes
Brianna… the ceo PKT mentioned

GRL on
June 17th, 2005 4:55 pm

I hope that natalee is still alive ! I’m very concern about what happend. It is not something that usually happens in Aruba. But bad luck can happen anywhere!
We, arubians are very sad about what happend to natalee but we feel that you don’t have to blame Aruba for what happend cause it could’ve happen anywhere. Even in the states where young girls go missing everyday !
So don’t blame us.

Florida Girl on
June 17th, 2005 4:55 pm

checkme

Where the info coming from – i.e. Justice Hall, and explain please.

cancon on
June 17th, 2005 4:55 pm

well from the forum here, two interesting things, some of the posters recall a couple say NH and her friends were on that party boat, either that night or the night before, Croes was likely working and the couple said they observed her dancing with some of the guys and one of her friends pulled her off the dance floor…….hmmmm

there was another report that NH may have been seen holding hands of another guy, not any of the current suspects

at Riehl World, again take with grain of salt someone claiming to work in Aruba with access to criminal files says Mr. Croes has a criminal record which includes sexual assault and another poster said he is a bad bad man, but it could be just someone playing games, taunting us armchair detectives….

another forum poster was noting that a black security guard uniform was found on the beach, the same company Jones and John worked for……that might have been their grounds to pick them up?

Checkme on
June 17th, 2005 4:57 pm

Joran’s hearing must still take place. We don’t think that this hearing will take place today, considering the 3 hours it is expected to take. Proly tomorrow or Monday this hearing will take place.

claire on
June 17th, 2005 4:57 pm

no cancon that was a joke

G on
June 17th, 2005 4:58 pm

I was gonna leave but before I do” Blogger is a phony, don’t you see that? He/she knows absolutely nothing more than we do and has no FBI level sources!!!

By guys and gals, don’t get caught up too much with the Sherlock Holmes stories. Everyone has an opinion, but try to stick to the facts and everyone will go home happy.

Brianna on
June 17th, 2005 4:58 pm

BTW, what is CGI problems? I keep getting that message and I am not computer savvy enough to know.

blogger info on
June 17th, 2005 4:58 pm

Ok – Marshall

I will leave the hint – and if it does not pan out then I will eat the squid. But if it does I get to feed it to you. Fair?

concerned4natalee on
June 17th, 2005 5:00 pm

why are the brothers going to prison? for sure?

Elvis Pretzel on
June 17th, 2005 5:00 pm

BhamNative Girl: are you as boring and do nothing as you seem?

I sure am glad that not everyone is so sheepish as you seem.

That is not a judgement, just an observation.

Prove me wrong…

(say something we can sink our teeth into instead of whiny ass)

see ye, wouldn’t wanna be ya !!!

Natalee is quite the lightning rod isn’t she?

the best part on any of these blogs by the way is the caring at the core.

hat is the gold nugget in the pan of silt.

(oh by the way Jeff Dowder, I am thinking about cutting and pasting all of your w
orthless comments about me an my messages intentions and blogging them together with my words to show you what a weak communicator you are – you are totally beat like the way the Pistons BEAT the Spurs in game 4)

love to all, (except Jeffy?)

Elvis P.

Bogey_Blusey_Chaston on
June 17th, 2005 5:00 pm

Brianna.. I am not sure either, but I assume the server for monkeys cant keep up

Checkme on
June 17th, 2005 5:00 pm

GRL, good point. Don’t worry about Aruba. It’s people are the best. But let’s focus on getting the truth about this human being out.

Checkme on
June 17th, 2005 5:01 pm

We are listening to the local radio reports from the Aruba courts.

cancon on
June 17th, 2005 5:03 pm

my take on the human trafficking angle, i still say that people in tha line of business would not be foolish enough to take a middle class American girl unless they planned to get her off the island asap, in which case they are watching all this and continuing to move her, unless this is a real amateur operation

most of these slime bags grab girls that they know won’t be missed or have parents that are poor and don’t have the resources to go after them,

cancon on
June 17th, 2005 5:05 pm

why are the brothers moving, I suspect the Aruba jail is getting very crowded now, Mrs. H said more arrests are coming……..

i mean they had a missing persons case and an armed robbery all in similar time frame

BhamNativeGirl on
June 17th, 2005 5:06 pm

BhamNative Girl: are you as boring and do nothing as you seem?

- Probably. Don’t have anything good for you to sink your teeth in, just here observing as well…

Lucy on
June 17th, 2005 5:07 pm

Checkme:
Is Steve Croes the same guy with the famous loud truck?
Thanks

blogger info on
June 17th, 2005 5:07 pm

FYI – I never said FBI. My brother is an ICE (Immigration Customs Enforcement) Agent presently stationed in Curacao (no not the ones that greet you at the airport either). He works with many of the Latin American and Island Governments in concert with the FBI and DEA. I think you can figure out why he is there. Is that enough to satisfy the skeptics?

MAD-DOG on
June 17th, 2005 5:08 pm

ASHLEY
I AM FROM MOUNTAIN BROOK…SORRY I HAVE BEEN OFF LINE FOR A WHILE

Simian on
June 17th, 2005 5:08 pm

Why would anybody take this girl for the purpose of Sex Slavery? If you look up where Aruba is you will notice our proximity to South America. A lot of pretty girls and a lot of poverty. Why take an North American girl and sell her in Colombia?

People don’t just dissappear. And if Amy Bradley was the last girl to dissappear in Aruba and Natalee after 7 years, I would say that these human traffickers really suck. By the way

This thing will be solved.

Maybe after this all the North Americans bashing Aruba here should focus on Chondra Levy. Nobody knows what happened to her and it’s been awhile. Maybe you can start a “Boycott Central Park” on-line petition.

Brianna on
June 17th, 2005 5:10 pm

Bham Native Girl – so am I – what part are you from?

blogger info on
June 17th, 2005 5:10 pm

Simian –

They found Levy’s remains FYI.

Lucy on
June 17th, 2005 5:11 pm

CGI-Common Gateway Interface. I think it means traffic jam, because of the amount of visitors at one time.

Jeff Dowder on
June 17th, 2005 5:11 pm

Pretzel boy…..you remind of that kid in sixth grade who always had his hands in his pants and proceeded to smell his fingers. You’re sick !

Canadian Girl on
June 17th, 2005 5:11 pm

Blogger

I believe you about your relative, but do you know for sure whether Natalie is Alive or not?

Gargantua on
June 17th, 2005 5:12 pm

Simian- Everybody knows Gary C. had her killed

Brianna on
June 17th, 2005 5:12 pm

Lucy, thanks…now it’s not a complete mystery. These guys are getting huge with this website.

DFW Guy on
June 17th, 2005 5:12 pm

Blogger, do you think that it is possible that she is alive?

scottie on
June 17th, 2005 5:13 pm

One thing I haven’t seen the media pick up on, was what a friend of Natalee’s said in an interview on O’Reilly the other night.

He was at Carlos and Charlies that night with her, and asked her if she was alright.

He said he saw Natalee and Joran together dancing in the club, and saw them leave together.

He was trying to be protective of her in the interview, claiming they were all ‘drinking responsibly’, but let’s be real here.

On another matter, what happened to the reported finding of panties, condoms and duct tape? Were the panties confirmed as not being Natalee’s? Certainly, her mother could verify whether they were her size or if she had even purchased them for her daughter.

Checkme on
June 17th, 2005 5:14 pm

Lucy,
So you have been paying real attention… No, this is not the same guy. Info on him is still not out yet, at least not officially.

The bad news with Croes is that with more people involved, anything might have happened (with just Joran and the Kalpoes, it might have just been 4 drunks and a misunderstanding gone bad). With other conspirators, it is chillingly evil.

The good news is that the more conspirators, the more likely it is to unravel.

concerned4natalee on
June 17th, 2005 5:16 pm

scottie:
it was confirmed that those items were NOT linked to natalee on the dan abrams report yesterday

DFW Guy on
June 17th, 2005 5:17 pm

The more complicated this gets, the more I think she might just be alive.

blogger info on
June 17th, 2005 5:18 pm

Canadian Girl/DFW Guy –

As said in previous post, he can not confirm whether she is alive or not but that investigation is coming together much more rapidly now. Some newer info will be coming in the next few hours – thats all I have for now. I am awaiting for email update (which he sends me through a secure/anonymous email site fro obvious reasons)

Canadian Girl on
June 17th, 2005 5:19 pm

I read earlier on here that JVDS father was allowed to see him but that his lawyer could not see him for the next 8 days because he was questioning witnesses which apparently is not allowed. Very strange laws over there. Anyone know if this is true??? Nothing on Fox or CNN about this.

Mecha-Godzilla on
June 17th, 2005 5:19 pm

DFW….good point, Natalee’s mom had an optimistic air about her the other day when she was being interviewed

Lucy on
June 17th, 2005 5:20 pm

Checkme
Yes, I have been paying attention. Also noticed that Billy is missing. I think he went to Haiti and the Dominican Republic. (Joking)

Simian on
June 17th, 2005 5:20 pm

They found them…do you know what happened? Condit has been cleared…

DFW Guy on
June 17th, 2005 5:21 pm

One thing is for sure. If she is alive, the book and movie deals will have her set for life.

concerned4natalee on
June 17th, 2005 5:21 pm

what is the absolute latest news- anybosy know links, or can tell me?

Checkme on
June 17th, 2005 5:22 pm

Blogger info,
Tell me, if this brother of yours is so high up in a pretty confidential organization, how come you talk about this on this form?

Simian on
June 17th, 2005 5:23 pm

By the way, they found Levy’s remains a full year after she went missing. In a place where they did search numerous times.

Give the authorities a chance.

Maybe this girl doesn’t want to be found.

Canadian Girl on
June 17th, 2005 5:23 pm

Blogger …

Ok I will give you the benefit of the doubt and wait to see what happens before judging you. I hope you are right and by some miracle she is still alive.

blogger info – what the heck does FBI level mean? Some other government agency? I’m not buying your story.

concerned4natalee on
June 17th, 2005 5:30 pm

please don’t turn this into a dutch blog……. i can’t read it, thanx

concerned4natalee on
June 17th, 2005 5:31 pm

DFW: that’s for sure (book deals)

Brianna on
June 17th, 2005 5:31 pm

concerned, I second that.

Canadian Girl on
June 17th, 2005 5:32 pm

Does anyone know anything about this tickle.com website??? I read that all four of these guys have or had (before someone took them down) profiles on this site?? Someone suggested that Natalie had made contact with JVDS before she got there. Anyone know if this has been checked out??

blogger info on
June 17th, 2005 5:32 pm

Checkme –

Never said pretty confidential – said high up in law enforcement (FBI Level) for those not from the US and who might be unfamiliar with ICE.

I dont think I have given away the store here. Just trying to pass on what I know in the most discreet manner possible. Will pass on any more new I get.

HannieC on
June 17th, 2005 5:33 pm

Sorry Brianna,

I said in dutch ; ” That there`s so much to read I can`t hardly keep up ”

Ok mecha vandaar dat je zo goed engels spreekt

blogger info on
June 17th, 2005 5:33 pm

eagle –

See previous posts. FBI Level for those unfamiliar with ICE.

Mecha-Godzilla on
June 17th, 2005 5:34 pm

Eagle..En Espanol se quires? En Frances si’l vous plait. Come on give it up and show your love….this tragedy transcends all languages and cultures. I’t like an ever changing kaleidoscope of moods and colors!!??

The diskjockey just selled the drugs to JvdS to drug Natalee and she got an overdose and went in a coma, so Deepak thought that after some time she would wake up and they would lose her at the beach or a crackhouse. So they hid her body at a friends house, but she didn’t make it, so they all wrapped her body up in a black plastic bag, filled with stones and disposed her body in the Carribean Sea. That’s my theory.

claire on
June 17th, 2005 5:37 pm

might have to re-link “geo” and cities for it to work

Florida Girl on
June 17th, 2005 5:37 pm

@ Canadian Girl

All of the boys involved had tickle sites:

Joran, Satish, Deepak, Steve Crose, and even Valentijn (Joran’s brother). I posted the links earlier but for some reason the post said (awaiting moderation), so I guess it never went through. All of the tickle sites were still active as of an hour ago except Jorans.

Does anyone know why the moderator would block that?

TLC on
June 17th, 2005 5:39 pm

Blogger

Do you then share the idea that, the parents may have some inkling of what is really going on, based on what some senator they know said. I now believe this is all very much more than we are all thinking.

I just heard on Fox that JVDS father was given permission to see his son…they were interviewing a Judge who implyed that this is a special priveledge that usually would not be allowed until after charges are laid.

Jeff Dowder on
June 17th, 2005 5:39 pm

Deepak Chopra?? The “Timeless Mind, Ageless Soul” indian guru? How did he get involved in this?

ICE-US Inmigration and Customs Enforcement. They work out of our Caribbean countries, investigating illegal inmigrations, people trafficking, following drug money trails, etc. Their site has no information on Natalee Holloway, but I imagine that since the Netherland Antilles are so close to Venezuela and Colombia, they probably have an important office there to mkonitor illegal activities related to drug trafficking, raqueteering and all the other crimes that mobsters and drug lords get charged with.

concerned4natalee on
June 17th, 2005 5:44 pm

thanx claire

Canadian Girl on
June 17th, 2005 5:44 pm

Claire and Florida Girl

Thanks for the reply, did you also hear that Natalie had contact with Joran before she got to Aruba? If she did I would think some of her friends would know as well. Just a thought but maybe this is where it all started before she even arrived, in which case something could have already been planned out before she got there.

blogger info on
June 17th, 2005 5:45 pm

ok – so you know I am not FOS, here is what I can tell you. There will be yet another arrest possibly by this evening if not by tomorrow, which is another individual who is freinds with Croes.

Of course, if I am right, I will see you all here tomorrow with whatever else I can find out and to ensure that Marshall will be eating squid!

Brianna on
June 17th, 2005 5:46 pm

hehe. Deepak Chopra. I thought the same thing when I heard the bros name. Haniie, de nada, no pueda leer en dutch. I don’t even know if that was good spanish. Im just throwing stuff out there. merde.

claire on
June 17th, 2005 5:47 pm

yes i heard they had contact before she went, that was just said in th first coupld of days-weird

What the hell is going on. They must know more than they are letting on.
I bet Natalee’s mother wants to just shake everyone, and say,”tell me what happened”.
I admire her reserve as a mother. We all know sex is involved, and lets pray not murder.
These little leeks here and there are driving everyone insane. I wonder if the new arrests
are really valid, or just another distraction. Did Steve go pick her up in the boat and bury
her on his Island? I’m going to have to quit tuning in for awhile so I can get somet things done. Pray for Natalee!!!

Checkme on
June 17th, 2005 5:48 pm

You are thinking that there is an old Iran-Contra scheme happening, between Colombia’s FARC and US’ Iraq, and the Alabama family’s girl is taken really an ICE secret service agent, finishing off Chavez with her own bare hands?

Canadian Girl on
June 17th, 2005 5:48 pm

Also doesn’t the older bother work at an internet cafe??? Maybe they should look at computers used there as well.

eagle on
June 17th, 2005 5:50 pm

blogger – i am still unconvinced. what will be the initials of Croes’s friends name?

Obviously I was not provided with that information – but dont you figure that if there is an arrest of someone affiliated with Croes in the next 24 hours that maybe I was enough on the mark to know something? Maybe – maybe not. You will have to trust me or not – your choice.

Steve on
June 17th, 2005 5:54 pm

I would expand the investigation to all empolyee’s of Carlos’n Charlies Bar. It is possible that if Natalee’s drink was drugged it was done by a friend of Joran working in the bar. I still advocate a total blockage of Aruba although it should have been done sooner. For Natalee’s sake, push until it hurts them all enough to tell the truth and hopefully bring Natalee home. I bet there are individuals not involved in the direct disappearance of Natalee who know where she is so keep pushing on all fronts until no one can breath.

Sorry I had to post them all separately……..when I tried to post them together it was blocked by moderator.

claire on
June 17th, 2005 6:00 pm

it doesn’t say much that hasn’t been said-it’s weird it’s full of mistakes but person obviously fluent – maybe it’s some kind of island french

mexigirl on
June 17th, 2005 6:00 pm

Brianna and the other girl – si quieres (not ‘se quires’) / No se leer Dutch. Of course, there should be an accent mark over the e in se.

golden on
June 17th, 2005 6:01 pm

# Francois Says: June 17TH, 2005 at 5:51 pm

On devil goes. They must know that more than they leave over. I bet that the mother of Natalee wants to shake just each, and say, “dites-me this that produced itself”. I admire his reservation as a mother. We all knowledges that the sex is implied, and leaves to pray not the murder. These small poireaux here and there drive each madman. I wonder if the new arrests are really valid, or just another distraction. This that Steve he has disappeared the select up in the boat and the bury on his island? I will have to stop to grant inside for during some time thus I can obtain from things of somet done. Pray for Natalee! ! !

Jeff Dowder on
June 17th, 2005 6:01 pm

I say we perform a citizens arrest on blogger for spreading delicate information, and we should give him a full body cavity search.

blogger info on
June 17th, 2005 6:02 pm

Eagle – your answer is Aruba.

As to the compromising of someone’s job – the info I am getting and providing is not confidential or highly sensitive – just not being published. The info I shared is certainly not something that is part of any US led investigation – but that of Aruba’s. Simply relaying info learned from the Aruba govt sources. The wheels have already been in motion on the next arrest and probably wont be too much of a surprise for those in Aruba who have their ears to the ground on this case.

Checkme on
June 17th, 2005 6:02 pm

Look for the blue (with grafiti) delivery truck getting impounded…

Checkme on
June 17th, 2005 6:03 pm

the justices are having a hard time holding on to the suspects without a body…

claire on
June 17th, 2005 6:03 pm

Sur diable va. Ils doivent savoir que plus qu’elles laissent dessus.
they must know more than they letting on (not french at all )

Je parie que la mÃƒ ¨re de Natalee veut secouer juste chacun, et dire, “dites-moi ce qui s’est produit”.
mother just wants to shake them and get them to say what they know

I don’t agree with your knock on religion since I am a devote Christian, but believe it or not, I do know where you are coming from. There are alot of phonies out there and most of us have been burned by at least one of them. Although I have never met them, I don’t feel that Justin and Kris are in the phony category. Believe it or not, there are still many God-believing people that are sincere and truly have faith in God.
I definitely don’t agree that only preachers and missionaries voice their faith in public. In fact Jesus, himself, said to proclaim it from the mountain top.

Your response, I am guessing, comes from the bad experiences of your past and not that you have anything against these two people. Try not to let those bad experiences affect you and your relationship with God. Don’t cheat yourself like that. Just because human beings can be hypocrits, phonies, etc. doesn’t mean that God is. In other words, chill, man, chill. You don’t have enemies in hear that I can see. Contrarily, it seems like a friendly and supportive bunch for the most part.

Now, lets get back to the subject. I gotta feeling things are going to break pretty fast now.

Checkme on
June 17th, 2005 6:08 pm

New Jersey Police has said some very good things about the Aruba Police force. Go Jersey!!!
Check it out on Fox news.

Ok, just keep us informed, I won’t visit foxnews anymore and please give us no initials but the exact names, because they will soon publish them anyway, and what do you think really happened to NH?

Brianna on
June 17th, 2005 6:10 pm

Nag, what? Either you’re lost or I missed something when I stopped watching to do some work.

Mecha-Godzilla on
June 17th, 2005 6:11 pm

Elvis Pretzel hangs out with those Wicka nerds, wearing robes and lighting candles in the forest and invoking some spirit to cast a spell on his older sister who has been beating him up.

claire on
June 17th, 2005 6:11 pm

FranÃƒ §ois and Golden

how do u get the automatic translating? want to try some pidgin dutch or papiemento

Checkme on
June 17th, 2005 6:11 pm

Fox-news:
“FOX also learned that police may have questioned yet another young man, said to be of Dutch nationality, on Thursday night.”

This is the guy with the blue van… He is the key to the story.

Brianna on
June 17th, 2005 6:12 pm

I think it’s spelled “Wicca.” Those are those people who believe fairies are in the plants. Hey Elvis, why don’t you summon the earth to tell us where Nat is?

HannieC on
June 17th, 2005 6:14 pm

Claire,

Try Altavista babelfish,

Canadian Girl on
June 17th, 2005 6:14 pm

Florida Girl,

Thanks for the links…I see different photos on their profiles that I have seen before including one with JVDS at that girls 15th birthday party. I wonder if any of these others in photos will turn out to be involved. I still think they should be checking the computers at the internet cafe that Deepak works at.

blogger info on
June 17th, 2005 6:14 pm

Checkme –

Are you in Aruba?

Checkme on
June 17th, 2005 6:15 pm

Yes

Brianna on
June 17th, 2005 6:16 pm

I’m wondering if they were really monitoring all communication like they say they were when they released those kids the first time. I somehow doubt it.

Brianna on
June 17th, 2005 6:17 pm

If they were it looks like they’d have gotten all the profiles off the internet b/c they’d have been evidence,

claire on
June 17th, 2005 6:17 pm

thanks HannieC -the results are hilarious-am a language teacher and I can’t belive my students use it for their formal work emails

Mecha-Godzilla on
June 17th, 2005 6:18 pm

Right on Brianna; Elvis played the lead character in his drama class’ senior year recital of Cinderfella.

Jerry on
June 17th, 2005 6:18 pm

I understand this 4th suspect is a party boat captain. It would not surprise me if thats what happened to NH. She got kidnapped to a party boat and she was the main dish.

Brianna on
June 17th, 2005 6:19 pm

Mecha you’re hilarious. He’s all shook up.

Brianna on
June 17th, 2005 6:20 pm

Jerry, funny, but it could be possible. They could have taken her on one of those boats and out of Aruba.

pathfinder on
June 17th, 2005 6:23 pm

CROES is a very common NAME !
and I have checked a database and it appears there are 6 steve/steven croes on the island ….
STEVE CROES (emt) = not same as S.G. Croes (DJ)…….
Steve Croes (emt) = e respectable member of Aruba community and is 29 years old.

9/11 Aruba paid all expenses for all tourist stranded, the USA was not able to even warn for possible threats and it took hours before people realized it was an aircraft and not just fire in the towers.

People stop being so arrogant………………

Brianna on
June 17th, 2005 6:23 pm

Anybody heard anything new?

Mecha-Godzilla on
June 17th, 2005 6:23 pm

Hannie C…..waar woon jij? Stad..provincie?

Canadian Girl on
June 17th, 2005 6:23 pm

Jerry

The fourth suspect is apparently a DJ on the party boat. Also I belive there is a photo of him DJ’ing at that 15th birthday party that also has the photos of JVDS and his parents. Everyone sure seems to connected to each other.

Brianna on
June 17th, 2005 6:24 pm

pathfinder, hours before anyone knew it was aircraft?!?!? millions watched the 2nd plane hit the towers, bozo!!!! are you saying we were too stupid to realize it was planes?

Mecha-Godzilla on
June 17th, 2005 6:25 pm

Amen pathfinder

Jeff Dowder on
June 17th, 2005 6:29 pm

Are you guys saying that there’s an Al-Queda connection to the disappearance?

eagle on
June 17th, 2005 6:30 pm

checkme – that is old info. i hope this is not the guy blogger is talking about.

what about the blue van? why is that the key to the story?

Brianna on
June 17th, 2005 6:30 pm

I don’t know what they’re saying but pathfinder needs to clarify.

taj mahal on
June 17th, 2005 6:30 pm

Okay folks…brace yourself..this could be lead that breaks it wide open..let’s see if the powers that be can have the courage to bring this out to public. If she is alive, then no question its sex traffiking biggest story ever…and I hope will create worldwide furor. Unfortunately this may have global geo-political overtunes and just too hot fro the truth. This will be big.

HannieC & Others
speak whatever language you want, people telling you not to speak it because they don’t understand are rude, IMO. The internet is not an English only domain, and people can speak whatever religion they like.

Blogger;
Tahnks for the posts, I don’t know that I necessarily believe it all, as most of things you say are coming “news” in the next few hours,etc.. are pretty obvious since they have just arrested a 4th person, of course therei s going to be news.. but thansk anyway

Heel goed; ik begreep alles………Very well, I understood everything; sentence structure was a little messed up but that’s what happens when you translate word for word.

Elvis Pretzel on
June 17th, 2005 6:46 pm

Brianna and Mecha -Dork: why dont you two hook up and procreate little Briannas and Mecha – Dorks who have to brown nose each other in cyber space (because in real life they’re useless)and blog shitty jokes and show off their foreign language skills again, because in real life they’re useless?

(Mech: I have a female co-worker sitting right here who is a Harvard Magna Cum Laude fluent in 11 languages who is laughing at you as I type this reading your Dutch blogs who said your Dutch needs serious work Mr. Nothing)

see ya dickface and have a great weekend.

Elvis has left the building.

Elvis P

HannieC on
June 17th, 2005 6:48 pm

Hahahaha Claire,

No it makes no sense at all, it`s like the the translation machine is very dyslexic

golden on
June 17th, 2005 6:49 pm

No problem Claire.

claire on
June 17th, 2005 6:49 pm

the dutch is from an automatic translator duh

claire on
June 17th, 2005 6:49 pm

so who’s this Van Rijn fella-number five?

Jeff Dowder on
June 17th, 2005 6:50 pm

Elvis Pretzel sounds like he’s pooping out stale pretzels again. He’s getting make up tips from his female co-worker. He’s angry at religion because he was molested by Father Porter.

ATL guy on
June 17th, 2005 6:50 pm

OK …

Venezuela…. oil… OPEC… hmmm… deal made for beautiful young blonde…

or maybe that unsavory Chavez guy is involved…

claire on
June 17th, 2005 6:50 pm

that comment was for elvis

Mic on
June 17th, 2005 6:51 pm

Latest suspect is Steve Croes, a DJ on a party boat. Do a Google search for “Steve Croes” + Aruba. You’ll get a few web sites that show a Steve Croes affiliated with Aruba who appears to be an aspiring pilot and EMT (got to look at book reviews for the EMT thing).

marshall on
June 17th, 2005 6:52 pm

Claire says “the disk jockey was held of the party boat Friday on suspicion for in the disappearance of the teenager Natalee Holloway is involved of Alabama, who almost three weeks suffered whereas celebrating its high aforesaid school graduation disappeared, authorities and its employer.”

claire on
June 17th, 2005 6:53 pm

so who is Van Rijn -someone said was suspect number five-i know who four is

claire on
June 17th, 2005 6:55 pm

wonder what happens when u keep putting it back and forth through babelfish translator

you always miss the point you dumb fuck. Got nothing against any relgion, just phonies like you . Where are you detecting anger? I’m as happy as you are when you get your gay porno online.

I’m the Pistons you’re the Spurs. How does that sound Dildowder?

thats what i’m talkin’ about.

Now put away that kiddie porn once and for all – you promised !!

Elvis P.

HannieC on
June 17th, 2005 7:08 pm

lol that`s an option, let me think about it for a second….

I still read that they are in court, that is ,Jordan and the brothers and that they have nothing much of evidence against them. Anyone who knows more of that?

Jeff Dowder on
June 17th, 2005 7:10 pm

Elvis Pretzel’s getting in trouble for using the computer at Burger King(his job) to surf the net.

claire on
June 17th, 2005 7:10 pm

quote “Julie – apparently he’s connected to the 2 brothers – went to the same internet cafe. His arrest connected to possible movement in the case. Learned PVDS granted the right to visit his son in jail. bla bla rehash. 3 in court today. Waiting to hear if suspects attorneys can see all the info. Can be held 116 days w/out being formally charged. Natalee’s mom still thinks she’s alive but frustrated.”

RC Collins on
June 17th, 2005 7:12 pm

Hey Pretzel; my name is RC Collins and I’m a cadet at the Bardley Military academy. My buddyies and I want to invite you over so that we can cover you in a bedsheet and give you a Dutch oven

smore on
June 17th, 2005 7:13 pm

Check me:

What do you know about the guy in the blue van??? Do you know who this person is? If so, do you know if he has any connections to the other suspects?

claire on
June 17th, 2005 7:18 pm

by all
off and out for a beer-it’s the weekend!!!!

Loyd Bonafide on
June 17th, 2005 7:18 pm

I don’t know who this Pretzel guy is but I ‘m a Korean War Veteran who liberated the cho-sing valley and I must say, I would like to sodpmize preztel with the butt of my riffle and flog his rear until it turns into filet mignon.

HannieC on
June 17th, 2005 7:20 pm

bye Claire,

enjoy it!!

Jerry on
June 17th, 2005 7:21 pm

Closure4U investigations, Annette Martin (Psychics Detective) She was on NBC. found out she has to be contacted by the family or police before she can work on the case. I dont know what she charges but I am sure it is not cheap.

smore on
June 17th, 2005 7:22 pm

whoknows:

Are you from Aruba or a neighboring island?

Elvis Pretzel on
June 17th, 2005 7:25 pm

RC Coliins:

I think you need to learn to spell (buddyies? what a retard) as for your buddies (proper spelling) I know you cant do anything on your own because your that kind of bitch. But I gotta tell you, at 6′ 2″ 185 / cut – expert marksman I’d love to see you face to face with or without your “butt buddyies”

have a great weekend.

I hope we have better than you in the military when we go toe to toe w/China in a real war.
(I am confident that MOST of our military are better than you (the men AND the women) -it dont take much to raise the bar above you.)

you losers (and you know who you are – I can count you on one hand)are heeelarious!

Hey Pretzel, would like to come over some time and play a card game of canesta or bridge? Or perhaps we can go to the zoo or something and I’ll tell you all about the good old days.

zeberdee on
June 17th, 2005 7:32 pm

To all those that think te FBI or “the Americans” could solve this, please name one missing 18 year old girl case the FBI has solved in 18 days? Or in fact any missing person case… there are some but not many, mostly the FBI and all American police agencies have about the same degree of sucess – even when there are solid suspects and evidence. Elizabeth Smart is a great example, the FBI did’nt get too far with that – it was a suspicious store clerk many months after the dissapearence that solved the case.
Bravado and pride in your own law enforcement people is touching but another good example of American arrogance and disrespect for others, their legal systems and intelligence.

mandarin on
June 17th, 2005 7:34 pm

For those of you bashing Misfits — it advertises itself as, and is, an idiot-free zone. Elvis’s IP would have been banned many moons ago. In your opinion: for better or for worse?

rcl esq on
June 17th, 2005 7:37 pm

Good point zeberdes. By the way let us not forget that before someone can be charged (and held with or ewithout bail) probable cause that a crime has been committed must be established. We are getting so hyped up over the fact that “nothing is happening”. At least they are holding them in custody. If this were the US, they would have questioned JVDS and if they did not have probable cause to arrest him, would have to release him. Just think how long it took before they arrested Scott Peterson? (another missing person case)

mexigirl on
June 17th, 2005 7:37 pm

I’m confused. I thought there were some restrictions about profanity on the “new”. I’m for blocking Elvis Pretzel if he doesn’t clean up his act.

livesatthebeach on
June 17th, 2005 7:38 pm

Did anyone just see Natalee’s mon on CNN? She looked and acted decidedly different (much worse and much more upset) than she did last night with Greta. Any thoughts?

mandarin on
June 17th, 2005 7:39 pm

Mexigirl, I’m for banning him even if he does, LOL.

mexigirl on
June 17th, 2005 7:39 pm

Sorry for the type, should read “on the net.”

Trisher on
June 17th, 2005 7:39 pm

I saw her. She looked completely drained and didn’t seem as positive as usual.

livesatthebeach on
June 17th, 2005 7:42 pm

It seemed to me that she was having to force herself to stay composed. Completely different than she has appeared before. Seems worrisome.

Curious on
June 17th, 2005 7:43 pm

No, I missed the CNN with Natalee’s mom. Did she have anything new to say?

livesatthebeach on
June 17th, 2005 7:45 pm

No, nothing new, but she acted very different. She seemed quite upset and very frustrated (completely understandable, but not how she has come across before). It makes me think that something new happened today that we don’t know about or they made promises to her yesterday that didn’t come to fruition (more likely). So sad.

Jerry on
June 17th, 2005 7:47 pm

There will probably be more disappearances in Aruba but no women this time (JVDS) and Surnam brothers. Wonder if Holloways have connection to KKK understand there are a lot of Holloways. These boys screwed the wrong girl.

Wasn’t there a report of some sort of gangbang
tape or something. Whatever happened to that.

Jerry on
June 17th, 2005 7:49 pm

Not as bad a kidnapping,rape and murder

Joe Bama on
June 17th, 2005 7:49 pm

The KKK has been dead for decades, and the ones left are a characture of themselves…

Jerry on
June 17th, 2005 7:51 pm

Joe Bama

Oh no, there still around you just dont hear about them as much.

Jerry on
June 17th, 2005 7:52 pm

You just see a fraction of the ones that hold there little rallys.

ScaredShitless on
June 17th, 2005 8:02 pm

who was that horrid Elvis Pretzel? He is so angry. He probably had a bad experience once with Christianity

BamaRes on
June 17th, 2005 8:02 pm

Joe Bama knows what he’s talking about. The Klan got busted back in the early 70′s and has no force. There might be a few idiots claiming to be THe Klan, but they are full of hot air. The Klan is dead. The Holloways are able to get this attention because they have connections. They live in the very wealthiest neighborhood in the entire state of Alabama. Maybe they are not filthy rich, but they will at the least have VERY powerful connections, without which I seriously doubt this case would be getting the attention that it is getting. (And thank goodness. by the way, that they have those connections, for had they not, this thing would have ended with the security guards being framed.)

Jerry on
June 17th, 2005 8:04 pm

Well your in alabama and Im in TX. My view is different.

Ultraman on
June 17th, 2005 8:09 pm

I think that they should have had the FBI iinterrogate everybodyfrom the get go; the three, now four, suspects and the students back in Alabama. Stricktly as a tactical move for initimidating especially the three Arubans. They should have B.S.’d all of them that there is some kind of extradition treaty with the U.S. They don’t know any better…..they’re kids.

Jerry on
June 17th, 2005 8:11 pm

BAMA

I would be the first one to tell you I am so full of crap I like to get on these boards and just spread a little on everyone.

Ultraman on
June 17th, 2005 8:12 pm

The Klan is dead; reinvented as the Arian Brotherhood, but there is no Imperial Grand Wizard controlling any Klan division at this point in time.

BamaRes on
June 17th, 2005 8:12 pm

Jerry, I don’t know much about The Klan in TX, but the Imperial Grand Wizard (or Dragon or whatever they call him) used to live in AL during The Klan’s heyday. So this is where it got busted. Basically, it got sued for all of its assets, which is how they broke it up. So, it’s as almost totally ineffectual here as something can be. Nobody even gives it a second thought anymore. BTW, did you know that The Klan was bigger in The North than in the South in the 20′s and 30′s. They had the governorship of one state (maybe Indiana) and ruled the legislature of another northern state. Also they had a BIG Klan Rally in the 20′s in Washington, DC.

curious on
June 17th, 2005 8:13 pm

I am from Texas and Alabama. You can have different views, but you are wrong. These are good people and u should be ashamed about making such a comment. They have powerful connections in Washington DC that is why Pres Bush called the PM.

Ultraman on
June 17th, 2005 8:15 pm

BamaRes….you are correct; excellent synopsis of the Klan’s history

BamaRes on
June 17th, 2005 8:16 pm

Ultraman – I like to read.

Jerry on
June 17th, 2005 8:18 pm

Bama

Sounds like you know more about the Klan than I do, but do Arubans, I doubt it.

Ultraman on
June 17th, 2005 8:19 pm

Did you read the part how they regrouped, I believe in the 1950′s, and had a massive cross burning rally on top of Stone Mountain…..funny!!! White Power!!!

Ultraman on
June 17th, 2005 8:21 pm

Jerry…perhaps the Imperial Grand Wizard of the Klan moved to Aruba…..he’s recruiting the Dutch!

alabama journalist on
June 17th, 2005 8:25 pm

the aryan brotherhood is nothing more than a somehwat powerful prison gang in the states. To say that the klan has been “reborn” as the ABers is ridiculous.

alabama journalist on
June 17th, 2005 8:26 pm

Ive been offline for quite a while, any new info on our Croes? His uncle had little to say to the media other than he was surprised that his nephew had been arrested.

Jerry on
June 17th, 2005 8:26 pm

Hey guys go back about 10 responses and read my remark. Geeez

Ultraman on
June 17th, 2005 8:30 pm

White Power!!!!…..LOL!!

alabama journalist on
June 17th, 2005 8:31 pm

white pride…no lol

Jerry on
June 17th, 2005 8:31 pm

Yea!

Joe Bama on
June 17th, 2005 8:32 pm

James Earl Ray was from Indiana I believe. The Klan had a very powerful presence in southern Indiana, Illinois and Ohio. Of course Boston was one of the last cities to be integrated, and had some pretty bad riots. Everybody has their own racist cross to bear it seems.

Jerry on
June 17th, 2005 8:33 pm

Have not heard anything new on the Croes.

Jerry on
June 17th, 2005 8:34 pm

Bama

Your right about that

Ultraman on
June 17th, 2005 8:39 pm

OK,,,what’s the plan; should we send the Klan to Aruba to solve this case?

Joe Bama on
June 17th, 2005 8:43 pm

I say we send OJ to find the “real culprits”….

Ultraman on
June 17th, 2005 8:46 pm

That’s funny! didn’t he release some video after he was exonerated about his theory regarding the real culprits?

Joe Bama on
June 17th, 2005 8:47 pm

alabama journalist:.. What city do you work in?…

J.C. on
June 17th, 2005 9:08 pm

Why….so O.J. could give them tips on how to get away with it???

J.C. on
June 17th, 2005 9:09 pm

Maybe they could borrow his white bronco since their cars have been impounded.

ironsides on
June 17th, 2005 9:21 pm

Here is a theory, they invited her on the boat, and then Incredi-boy (AKA the flying dutchman) drugs her. But, being a turd, with no knowlegde and no remorse, he gives her too much. The remorseless group of bastards do nothing while she is dying. Discovering what has happened, they throw all the all evidence overboard. I hope that this is not true, but at the same time, looking at all of them, I know they are capable of it. Another thing, if you have ever dealt with a 3rd world bureaucracy, you know what the Holloways are experiencing. There is callousness to the way the bureaucracy treats people in need, as if someone would dare make them actually do something, actually produce results. There is also a certain degree of incompetence that threads through their investigation; for instance – why did it take them so long to conduct searches of vehicles, boats, residences? The trail is cold and evidence has been cleaned up. The shoulder shrug is a common gesture, what is done is done…

LizzieD on
June 17th, 2005 9:34 pm

They need to call in Jack Beaur

Ultraman on
June 17th, 2005 9:38 pm

I wonder if Jesse Jackson will be heading to Aruba to speak on behalf of the two security guards.

mostlyalurker on
June 17th, 2005 9:40 pm

once again, this discussion is at least 98% crap.

has nothing to do with NH’s fate.

you folks need a life.

ironsides on
June 17th, 2005 9:43 pm

Or they need to involve US authorities more actively, which they should have done immediately. I don’t konw why this is not the case, since it is one of our citizens who was there as a guest. I can’t understand why we need to tread so lightly around their delicate sensitivities. It’s like dealing with the Michael Jackson of investigative agencies. It’s a sad revelation, but the FBI has much more experience in pursuing and apprehending criminals.

bendex on
June 17th, 2005 9:45 pm

I have got the following theory

I think that they are all involved in a drugs smugelling scheme

I believe they picked natalie up and took her to a place , where she swallowed little bags with cocaine, or extacy , to return to the USA the next day who would suspect a group of schoolgirls ? The dropped Joran of at his house or not / and the rest continued to their respective houses . Only one of the bags broke in her stomach , and she needed an inmediatew rescue and they took her to a place to help her a “safe house ” or boat ?!

Fugazi on
June 17th, 2005 9:45 pm

If she is alive and they had sold her … they should be able to track her down and bring her home….. I also am praying for her safe return and I hope this also draws more attention to Amy Bradleys case…….

Ultraman on
June 17th, 2005 9:46 pm

mostlyalurker, can you take me under your wing and teach me how to get a life?

Last week in a local newspaper in Aruba there was a short story about a fisherman that went out in his boat fishing alone. His small boat sunk due to a wave. This man drifted on rough sea for three whole days and nights holding on to his gasoline tank. A helicopter spotted him halfway the island purely because of the red color of his gasoline tank. No one reported him missing yet and he lived alone. Had he not been found what conclusions would have been made? This is an island surrounded by water!

alabama journalist on
June 17th, 2005 10:18 pm

hey nati, if the fisherman was a cute young blonde who had been out drinking with some locals all night who had conflicting stories about what happened…then maybe your pathetic post would hold some weight.

alabama journalist on
June 17th, 2005 10:19 pm

Natalee probably decided to go for a walk on the beach after she was dropped off at the Hotel, tripped and fell into the water, hopefully she has a red gas tank to hold onto and she is alive and well. Do you really think this is what happened, or are you just some naive 12 year old who has no understanding of this case or the real world.

Ultraman on
June 17th, 2005 10:21 pm

there’s a rave party going on right now, glow sticks, pacifier, bottled water….”Hey Ramone….more tunes…and get those strobe lights going!!!”

alabama journalist on
June 17th, 2005 10:22 pm

what a ridiculous choad…Im sure a pacifier wont be the only thing you are suckin on tonight.

Booyakasha on
June 17th, 2005 10:24 pm

Alabama journalist is upset because his woman likes “dark” meat. He has to vent somewhere….

alabama journalist on
June 17th, 2005 10:25 pm

my wife is “dark meat” you moron

JayFreddy on
June 17th, 2005 10:26 pm

Hey Booya, are you sure it is “dark meat” or was she working “behind the scenes” on that new Michael Jackson and Geraldo reality series???

Booyakasha on
June 17th, 2005 10:27 pm

Exactly…..she’s trying to hook up with some REAL dark meat

NaTi on
June 17th, 2005 10:27 pm

My remark has NOTHING to do with the Natalee Holloway case. Comments on people going missing on this island doesnt mean that a crime was involved.

JayFreddy on
June 17th, 2005 10:28 pm

But Booya..is Michael dark or white??? I haven’t figured it out yet….

alabama journalist on
June 17th, 2005 10:28 pm

michael jackson and geraldo? I don’t think I have anything to worry about…although I do hear Geraldo has a thing for “gang bangs”

Ultraman on
June 17th, 2005 10:29 pm

I did a google search on Alabama journalist and found out that he is a registered sex offender; he attempted to become romantically involved with a pitbull.

alabama journalist on
June 17th, 2005 10:32 pm

a google search on “alabama journalist” huh…surprised you could drag your ass away from that 14 year old asian boy for long enough to do that.

Booyakasha on
June 17th, 2005 10:34 pm

JayFreddy….Michael is again undergoing extensive plastic surgery to be permanently transformed into Peter Pan.

alabama journalist on
June 17th, 2005 10:35 pm

Hey Booyadousha,
I suppose you are “real dark meat”…its funny that my wife couldn’t be pleased by her own and had to marry a white dude to get the real flavor…keep talking but the truth is out…brother.

scc on
June 17th, 2005 10:35 pm

Are you all racist’s? or do you have some jungle fever sex unresolved issues, Dark Meat? I doubt you can get any kind of meat.

Vada in Maine on
June 17th, 2005 10:37 pm

Thinking about Natalee’s Mom and her change tonight from her interview with Greta…. Maybe because this case is about sex slavery and is SO close to being blown wide open, she’s aware of it, cant say anything about it, and is being a truly scared mom, thinking the worst but hoping for the best?

Ultraman on
June 17th, 2005 10:37 pm

Alalbama journalist– hey, you sound kind of hot. What do you say we get a bottle of Crystal and hop in the jacuzzi and discuss this mystery between the two of us.

Vada in Maine on
June 17th, 2005 10:38 pm

Where is Natalee’s real father in all this??

JayFreddy on
June 17th, 2005 10:54 pm

Scc…unfortunately you are right…I am not getting any kind of meat…I am in fact, a vegetarian…or um…virgin…haha

curious on
June 17th, 2005 10:55 pm

Her dad is there but lets his wife talk because he does not want to talk to the press or anyone else. He is in depression. I would be too.

JayFreddy on
June 17th, 2005 10:56 pm

Booya???? Peter pan?? Now I’m really confused! Especially considering some females have been known to play the part of Peter Pan in theatre…

curious on
June 17th, 2005 10:59 pm

I wouldn’t ever go in to talk to the police, they like to arrest you for talking.

ScaredShitless on
June 17th, 2005 11:07 pm

Her dad has talked! He hasn’t “let his wife do the talking” ’cause his wife is Natalee’s STEP-mom…her real mom does the talking!

(PS) keep on the subject of Natalee & get off the juvenile subject of “dark meat”

curious on
June 17th, 2005 11:12 pm

His wife (yes the step-mom) said he does not want to talk, he is depressed. He says talking does not make him feel better, but it does for his ex-wife. I do watch the news!

ScaredShitless on
June 17th, 2005 11:36 pm

sorry, curious. I had no idea the step-mom was talking at all

Kim on
June 17th, 2005 11:46 pm

How about the radio talk show host from AL that was on Bill OReilly? chaperones say they were all actualy being followed by drug dealers the first few days they were there???

AFriend on
June 18th, 2005 12:39 am

i am a student a friend of natalee who went on the aruba trip. so much is speculation, but i, along with our community, really feel like she is alive. please pray for her to come home, we miss her so much

Natalie on
June 18th, 2005 12:52 am

I have read everything you have posted over the last few days and finally feel like offering this:

Everything I have heard about Natalee Holloway reminds me of myself at her age. Had I been her and been headed to Aruba, I very well might try and find a way to meet some locals prior to getting there. I would not be surprised if she used Tickle or some other such website (MSN, Hot or Not) to contact a “hot” guy like Joran. They probably set up a time to meet etc…

One reason I suspect this is because of her friend’s concern about Joran’s character. It is not simply that he drank and partied that would lead them to concern, but perhaps a knowledge of him being a bit of a “stalker” or obsessed with Natalee would cause them to almost fight him, to pull her away from dancing etc…

I am of course left to wonder why this hasn’t come up if it true… and also why her friend’s didn’t keep closer tabs on who she left with. My guess is… if they had reason to be concerned the night (Sunday night) of her disappearance, why was no chaperone involved until the airport the next morning.

Also… some people have painted Natalee as a whore… if she truly was sexually involved with Joran. However, how many American teens every single night hit the clubs and end up with one-night-stands. This is typical made-in-America fare. However… someone asked about what happened to the “panties” found near that lake. My guess is that they were not actually Natalee’s. IF Natalee was intending on having sex… she would have probably worn a sexy black thong or something like that. Her mother would probably not have purchased her underwear – what 18 year old sexually active teen girl asks her mom to buy her panties?

I strongly suspect the use of a date-rape drug. I strongly suspect that an accident occured involving a drug overdose or an alcohol overdose. I strongly suspect that three young boys were there and that had they simply come running looking for police when she was first in danger that they would be innocent of any real charges. Right now they have let it go too far and they are simply terrified that if they admit what happened they will still be found guilty of murder, when perhaps it was just them that covered up whatever happened.

A few more thoughts: The sex trade industry is scandelous and a travesty. It does exist but I do not think it plays a role here. I think everyone should take a step back from their conspiracy theories and focus on realities and likelihoods.

Natalee’s parents, regardless of the faces they put on for TV are deeply worried, saddened, and depressed. Every hour that ticks by renders it more likely that they will never again see their precious daughter. Remember them in all of this and do not dishonor them in the way we speak about the situation or in our speculation.

Lastly, Deepak, Satish, and Joran remain innocent at this point. When hard evidence is brought forward and the blood is found truly on their hands, we should point fingers. Until then, let us pray and hope for her return or some resolution. Let us not find it our job to play God.

IfIWasHer on
June 18th, 2005 12:58 am

what if Natalee simply wanted to disappear a ‘la “runaway bride.” But she just managed to make it successfully? Perhaps the DJ or something helped her get somewhere. Maybe she was pressured with being “perfect pre-med student” and just wanted to get away.

I know lots of people who have done that. Woke up one morning and decided to start over somewhere else. It doesn’t take a lifetime to create a new identity – it only takes a few days and a few dollars.

IfIWasHer: yes, people decide to disappear at times but I dont think your profiling skills are very refined, as I can practically guarantee that there is no way in hell that NH would ‘run away’ at this point in time and in this(aruba) location……would make zero sense

IamAMomtoo on
June 18th, 2005 1:13 am

i can’t believe an eighteen year old girl, who has worked so hard to get where she was would just disappear and start a new life somewhere else. no parent would put that kind of pressure on their child. i have an eighteen year old daughter who just graduated two weeks ago, and even though she parties, she is no where ready to strike out on her own. i hope and praya that this young woman will be found alive. my heart aches for her family. i cannot imagine being in this situation myself, i think i would have gone over the edge by now. southern families are very close, i know i am from mississippi. natalee would never allow her parents to suffer, it is not human nature.

i am writing this on behalf of people who know natalee and who, like myself, were on the trip. i realize there is no stopping all the speculation of the tri[, of which is mostly if not all fabricated, but please do not speculate on natalee’s character or intentions. she is, without a doubt, the most independent, clever, and hilarious girl i know. i know there is no stopping speculative posting and gossip, but please take one moment to say a prayer for her safe return

Re :
Why, Geraldo, Greta , etc did not go to Alabama and do the same they did in Aruba with NOT interference at all ??????

Very good question…these kids know allot
more then there saying… they are know doubt guilty of some sort of Alabama Redneck law… Th-ow shall not have sex with local man, when they might get caught… the attention will
soon turn to them. I’m sure Natalee wasn’t the only one drunk, jumping into strangers cars that evening.. The locals obviously have little to no respect for these woman, throwing them-selves at the local guys… why not just do as we please with them…. Who’s to stop us… This would be hard to admit to daddy though… Drunk 18 year girls partying every nite….. Must have been a dream come true to the local male population…. I wonder how many were drugged and taken advantaged of, over the course of that trip…. It really is funny to watch them pretend that they’d never do anything of that sort…. God would never let them do that… I’m starting to get a little tired of these god fearing redneck kids with not NO thing to say………

Tim_ Alabama_ USA on
June 18th, 2005 4:47 am

Rose– I guess being an ugly girl all , alone with your vibrator, has made you bitter– not to mention calloused! But leave my country, state, and Natalee’s character out of your conversations. You didn’t know her so do not judge her. These FINE locals have lied and put their character in question. And if all these american whores chase after locals why would Dutch freak lie and say he was a student on vacation? Afriend— I feel for all you, your classmates and Natalee’s family is going though, for every jerk like Rose, there’s a 100 others praying for her safety! KEEP THE FAITH!!

Ringo on
June 18th, 2005 5:25 am

AGR .. you don’t lie unless you have something to hide…. He knows …. they know….
We’re quick to spot bullshit, and make a note of it. Nothing more then that. If this had happend here we would have answers. This isn’t the first time this has happend in aruba… there have be several others… and I’m not talking about “amy”.

(1) Dumb as dumb can be parents who sent her on the booze cruise of a lifetime.
(2) Trip chaperons, school faculty who were so lame, their actions were far short of chaperoning.
(3) Her “friends” who thought it best to keep quiet as they thought she was having some sex.
(4) The local boys who treated her poorly.

Remember, it all started with her parents who paid for this booze cruise. Dummies!

The Deputy

Cas on
June 18th, 2005 7:30 am

Deputy,

I think you have the order all wrong,

And number 4 is reall the number 1 and only reason that natalee is not in alabama.

What is with people blaming victims for the crimes that are committed against them?

Or does this just happen when we are talking about a woman’s decision that involves “drinking” and socializing with “men”?

I am stumped on this attitude.

Former Sheriff's Deputy on
June 18th, 2005 7:37 am

Cas…..

The order illustrates the sequence of events the set the stage for this tragedy. It all began with some really stupid decision making on the part of the parents. Can’t you see that? Their stupidity put their daughter in to harms way!

The Deputy

Former Sheriff's Deputy on
June 18th, 2005 7:42 am

To Cas,

This has nothing to do with the gender of the victim. It is all about accountability and common sense; both which seem to be lacking throughout this event.

I think the parents need to be called on the carpet for their decision to send an 18 year old to booze it up in Aruba.

I think the lame chaperons need to be called on the carpet for their lack of effort to protect these children.

I think Natalee’s friends need to have their heads examined. What were they thinking to let one of their own go with 3 locals in a car? For kids who just graduated, they seem to be a few ants short of a farm.

I poor decisions and poor planning caused Natalee to be taken advantage of by some local animals.

The Deputy

Former Sheriff's Deputy on
June 18th, 2005 7:42 am

To Cas,

This has nothing to do with the gender of the victim. It is all about accountability and common sense; both which seem to be lacking throughout this event.

I think the parents need to be called on the carpet for their decision to send an 18 year old to booze it up in Aruba.

I think the lame chaperons need to be called on the carpet for their lack of effort to protect these children.

I think Natalee’s friends need to have their heads examined. What were they thinking to let one of their own go with 3 locals in a car? For kids who just graduated, they seem to be a few ants short of a farm.

I poor decisions and poor planning caused Natalee to be taken advantage of by some local animals.

The Deputy

Cas on
June 18th, 2005 7:43 am

No, I can’t see that.

Aruba is supposed to be a “safe” island, I don’t see anything wrong with the trip, but I think the drinking age should be 18 anyway. The trip had been going on for years with no incident, just like many of these h.s. trips go on and Natalee is the only girl ever to disappear without a trace.

What happened to Natalee could have happened in Birmingham, NYC or Ft. Lauderdale just about as easily. The only difference would be that the police would be actually trying to solve the case, whereas in Aruba, I think they are more interested in protecting their reputation than finding the truth.

If Natalee got back to her hotel no one would be blaming the parents for the trip, so why do it now. As they say, hindsight is 20/20, every decision that has a bad result is not necessarily a bad decision.

If she got in the car and ended up at the hotel no one would question it.

Former Sheriff's Deputy on
June 18th, 2005 7:46 am

To CAS…

I am amazed at your logic. I would not send an 18 year old to Aruba or Ft. Lauderdale or anywhere in the US for a booze cruise.

In the US it is *ILLEGAL* to drink it age 18. Tell me, why would Natalee’s parents send her daughter to another country to engage in a behavior that is illegal in her own?

The Deputy

Former Sheriff's Deputy on
June 18th, 2005 7:48 am

Hiding the lack of common sense does nothing to help Natalee. Just because tragedy didn’t happen before is no execuse for bad choices. These chaperons, were they just dumb or what? Don’t you think the Holloways knew their kid woud be boozing it up and possible engaging in sex? Is that the plan they had for their daughter? If so, shame on them!

The Deputy

Cas on
June 18th, 2005 7:54 am

Maybe they agree with me that the drinking age should be 18.

We just disagree, 1 bad result out of thousands of people in the same circumstances doesn’t make the trip a “bad decision”

If you have never trusted the wrong person or made a wrong judgement about another’s character, then you are 1 in a million. Most people do make mistakes trust people later proven to be untrusthworthy, sometimes they even marry them!

But, I like to put the blame on criminals not victims, but I guess I am a minority.

Cas, I’ve noticed in these blogs that whenever anyone mentions ways that this tragedy could have been prevented, many seem to get hot under the collar. They accuse people of ‘blaming the victim”. I, in no way, blame Natalee. However, nothing will be learned from this tragedy if we don’t look into prevention. After all prevention is the best remedy. I essentially agree with Deputy here. Aruba is a booze cruise destination where it is expected that the kids will be getting skunk drunk and looking for drugs and sex whether with locals or with their own trip members. While I do admire Beth Holloway’s maternal devotion in her determination to find her daughter, it all could have been prevented by her not allowing her to go on this trip. Period. There is no denying this. BTW, it is not “one bad result out of thousands”. Everyone is affected by these trips. Look at the islanders, for example, the young locals are exposed to a vaccuous lifestyle because of the seedy tourism. Then, what do the kids on the trips benefit from the heavy boozing, the free sex, the drugs and the gambling? Don’t tell me it’s a “right of passage”. There are some things we don’t need a “passage” to!

Cas…I’m a Grandmother to 8 and a Mother to 3 and I totally agree with you about blaming the Perps for a crime…Maybe I wouldn’t send my daughters or son to Aruba but I’m sure Natalee’s parents were just rewarding a daughter who was a Honor Student and had a full scolarshipship to College a nice Graduation Present because they had the money to do this and not thinking at all it was going to lead to this horrible tragedy…I’m sure they have beat themselves up enough with the Woulda, coulda, shoulda….BUT, right now, Natalee is missing and I see no good reason to continue beating up the parents like many want to do….We can only PRAY that Natalee is alive somewhere and maybe the SCUM thats in jail will begin to talk…Thats where the BLAME should focus..and WHERE IS NATALIE ARUBA? Let the US FBI take over cause you’ve botched this case.

claire on
June 18th, 2005 8:46 am

fox has a one hour special on the case at 3pm EST -can anyone convert that to GMT for me?

kandeyingeorgia on
June 18th, 2005 9:03 am

Rose:

Your post is total BS. Your ignorance, stupidity (and prejudice toward Southerners) is showing. Just where do you get your information?

Joe Bama on
June 18th, 2005 9:25 am

Well, Natalie’s parents WERE about to send her the the U of A , and, having attended that fine school, I know you can find a party every night. 18 or not…

webdude on
June 18th, 2005 9:27 am

I think 7pm gmt, claire

Justin T on
June 18th, 2005 9:46 am

Former Sheriff’s Deputy,

Your rightousness is appalling! Your logic and arguements are flawed. You have NO RIGHT to critize these parents.

To Rose the bigot:
How dare you call someone a redneck. My brother in law had serious issues all his life by being called a nedneck because he was raised poor and Catholic in Ohio. I can certainly tell you are the kind of person who calls minorites names and feels you are better than everyone else. I think you really feel insecure so you try to belittle others by name calling. Thank goodness I don’t know many people like you in this world.

Justin T on
June 18th, 2005 9:53 am

Joe Bama,

Exactly, this bullshit about sending her to Aruba and a booze cruise is a joke. The real booze cruise is every weekend at any of the America’s colleges and spring breaks. This could just as easily of happened right here in the US.

livesatthebeach on
June 18th, 2005 10:00 am

Have we heard from “blogger info” this morning (sorry, just catching up)? He was right on the money with his information from last night. Any news today blogger?

Justin T on
June 18th, 2005 10:01 am

Snippy,

I agree with you totally! This was not some troubled girl with a history of issues. This guy according to her mother had been around them for days and had gotten to know him. He no doubt was peronable and after a few days most of the kids defenses were down about him. After all he was their age and by accounts of several seemed like a nice guys. Shit happens and its a total tradagy. But of ANYONE to sit back and point fingers at this time is a bunch of crap. There will be a time to evaluate the issues and what went wrong but right now it won’t do a damn thing to resolving this case and getting Natalee home.

curious on
June 18th, 2005 10:02 am

I used to live in small town Georgia and the doctors kids ,rich kids, and poor kids could find all the alcohol and drugs they wanted while partying all night long. It’s everywhere. Look at all colleg students in the profiles on the net, they talk about parting all the time. As far as date rape, there was a college near by and members of the baseball team were filming acts with girls when they were drugged. They didn’d find out until the police had the tapes and they were called about it.

i just heard on fox that joran’s father was denied seeing his son-all day yesterday i saw her was going to get to see him-what is true? maybe if there would be one story that stayed the same, something could get solved in this case. a lot of people made mistakes in this case but if everyone and i mean everyone doesn’t come together it will never be solved. aruba is not trying to cover up maybe not trying to hurt anymore people but who knows how long it would take the u.s. to solve this. if there is not any evidence and they can’t get information, they have no way of getting it solved. the kids in ala. should tell all they know and not keep trying to make themselves look good or cover for themselves and they should go back and retrace everything. i really don’t think whatever happened to natalee was intentional–accidents happen and no one thinks they are gonna have something happen to them especially teenagers and young adults as they have been protected all their lives by their parents. also do you think before you cross the street–i better not because there might be some idiot running a light-no-you cross the street and only if there is an idiot running a light that hits you do you think about it. come on everyone–come together and if there is any detail someone might even think doesn’t matter–tell it!

thank for the update on the dad boston lyn. wonder why they decided not to let him see him anymore? where have the parents been for the brothers–i know they are 18 and older but are they around or not?

Claire, get that filthy ad off this site…..BOYCOTT ARUBA
so says BOB GRANT of NY WOR 7.10 radio

claire on
June 18th, 2005 10:29 am

yeah ok but gives insight into the place!

ScaredShitless on
June 18th, 2005 10:31 am

For vac. this year, everyone stay in the USA….support America, not these lawless, godless trashy islands, who , for all their outward beauty , have an inner evil of drugs, debauchery and “sodom & gommorah” living

alabama journalist on
June 18th, 2005 10:41 am

thanks for the link bro…you idiot…get a life

ScaredShitless on
June 18th, 2005 10:43 am

who are you calling an idiot? Make yourself clear

ScaredShitless on
June 18th, 2005 10:44 am

Claire is not a “bro”….she’s female

alabama journalist on
June 18th, 2005 10:45 am

does anyone else feel like the Aruban authorities are just botching this investigation to high heaven? I think they may just be going through the suspect’s rolodex and arresting people to save face…It is becoming increasingly clear that the Holloway family feels the same way as her mother let loose last night on TV. Let the FBI take over the investigation and get out of the way, you had your shot to show the rest of the world you could do this and you failed miserably…wave the white flag and let the feds do their job.

livesatthebeach on
June 18th, 2005 10:45 am

What planet are you living on?? Or is it just those red, white and blue glasses (with the rose colored lenses) that you are wearing? Get real “scared shitless”….

alabama journalist on
June 18th, 2005 10:47 am

Im talking to the moron who put up a porn link on the site. This is my work computer and I get trashed with viruses and spyware from that s—

ScaredShitless on
June 18th, 2005 10:47 am

livesatthebeach: look at the Aruban (also known as “keystone cops”) police force! Are they retarded? Why can’t they solve this case? I say: BOYCOTT ARUBA. BOB GRANT said it on his show & he said in a year, Aruba will be “down the toilet”….80% of their money comes from tourism.

alabama journalist on
June 18th, 2005 10:48 am

there’s nothing wrong with supporting America…Im all for that idea

ScaredShitless on
June 18th, 2005 10:48 am

To Alabama Journalist: I am at work too & opening her link shocked me! I can get into trouble for opening something like that!

BOYCOTT ARUBA

alabama journalist on
June 18th, 2005 10:48 am

no joke SS, My It director will be breathing down my neck when all that porn shows up on his monitor.

ScaredShitless on
June 18th, 2005 10:49 am

Obviously “livesatthebeach” is “out to lunch”

Everyone knows America is No. 1…….we are the innovators of all modern technology & we have a land of all kinds of people, striving to make their lives better & to work hard

ton on
June 18th, 2005 10:49 am

scaredshiless. you are sp stupid. Do u think America is most safe thatn any place in the world? ** godless trahy .inner evil drugs sodon gommorah living… hellooo
thats UNITED SATES OF AMERICAM .

claire on
June 18th, 2005 10:50 am

gee I’m definitely not a bro-am all woman! I found the link on another blog from someone concerned she may have been caught up in all that

ScaredShitless on
June 18th, 2005 10:50 am

I know there’s crime here…I’m not that stupid! But because the Arubans can’t solve this case, or refuse to, I say “boycott Aruba”….keep U.S. dollars in the U.S.

alabama journalist on
June 18th, 2005 10:51 am

America is the greatest country in the world, supporting it instead of little islands is ideal. If you don’t agree that’s fine…your just wrong

ScaredShitless on
June 18th, 2005 10:51 am

Without the USA giving its money to poor useless countries like MEXICO, many people would STARVE

ScaredShitless on
June 18th, 2005 10:52 am

to “ton”…you can’t spell or type! You must be Aruban! A dumb bell

alabama journalist on
June 18th, 2005 10:52 am

yeah right…by “another blog” do you mean surfing for porn…I don’t care how you found it, just don’t post links to porn…unless there is some hot all latina lesbian action, then just send it me.

alabama journalist on
June 18th, 2005 10:53 am

Yes I do think “America is most safe”…what?

claire on
June 18th, 2005 10:53 am

it’s a shame -this was a good site-now I have someone calling me a moron -will be back when the more normal people are back on line

ScaredShitless on
June 18th, 2005 10:53 am

If the USA is so bad, why do millions of illegals risk their lives trying to get here? I don’t want them here, of course, as they bring things “down” by working for cheap rates, but heck, I don’t blame them for wanting to come!

What if . . . either Joran or the Kalpoes or both, after screwing up and doing something that killed her, called their friend with a boat and he took her and dumped her far enough out that she wouldn’t wash in.

livesatthebeach on
June 18th, 2005 10:53 am

Thanks ton, that’s all that I was trying to say. I love and support America too, Alabama Journalist, I just try to see the world for what it is, not like some vigilante cowboy (no wonder you’re “scared shitless”).

alabama journalist on
June 18th, 2005 10:54 am

I love Amercam…you are sp stupid…this guy is killing me

claire on
June 18th, 2005 10:54 am

no a serious blog about natalee -someone trying to see what it’s like in aruba for that sort of thing and wondering if she was caught up in it

I feel sorry for this people like**scaredshiless** people like you gives bad name to America, That’s why so many people around the worlds hates us,cause people like you

alabama journalist on
June 18th, 2005 11:00 am

preach SS! With all these theories floating arounf the internet, those cops better hope it is a lot more complex than what I am seeing posted, otherwise they will have no excuse…I have a sinking feeling we will still be talking about this case a year from now with no answers…If they still have nothing almost three weeks after, the trail is getting real cold. I was looking at some police stats, the chance of them solving the case after one month falls to something like 4.5 percent success rate.

alabama journalist on
June 18th, 2005 11:02 am

No…people like you “give bad name” to America, learn how to write in da english. Who cares if someone in a foreign country hates America…We need to find Natalee, whether foreigners hate us or not. I doubt people hate America because of some internet poster supporting his country…although who knows? Maybe that’s why Bin Laden attacked us. He was online and saw SS posting his “pro american rhetoric” and had seen enough

Nona on
June 18th, 2005 11:03 am

Claire did you notice the backgrounds of many photos on the ads are the same backgrounds as the photos in Joran’s photo albaum?

MONROY on
June 18th, 2005 11:06 am

HEY ALABAMA JOURNALIST ?? YOU ARE A FUCKING LOSER RED NECK

ScaredShitless on
June 18th, 2005 11:07 am

Jessica: learn to type!

Jerry on
June 18th, 2005 11:08 am

Aruba is trying to make a good show of its effort in finding Natalee . We had the military search , we had the natives of Aruba search, we had helicoptors fly around with infrared (which was to late). We called in all the people she was with after C&C all will say nothing except she was partying with them, no crime against that. In order for there to be a crime there has to be a body. All will be for nothing if a body is not found. And this will be nothing more than a missing persons case eventually. I hate to say it but it is headed that way .

alabama journalist on
June 18th, 2005 11:09 am

thanks…I am a redneck, rebel born, rebel bread and when I die I’ll be rebel dead. As far as your intelligent “effing loser” remark, I am quite successful actually, pretty proud of what I do for society, but thanks for the post…and the attitude

alabama journalist on
June 18th, 2005 11:10 am

BTW, lose the all caps, this isn’t your normal kiddie porn chat room…we can all read the normal type

Tusconan on
June 18th, 2005 11:10 am

Former Deputy,
You make the most asinine and ridiculous comments. Its no wonder you are a ‘former’ deputy. Your righteousness is simply unbelievable. To blame this on her parents who by all accounts raised a smart, reponsible young lady is ludicrous. Natalee may be guilty of trusting these locals but that is the only thing she is guilty of. Did you forget what it was like to be 18? It was the trip of a lifetime for her. i would have sent my daughter if he had deserved and earned it. Stop your righteous blame and try (as hard as it must seem) to remember your days as a teen and the errors in judgment you made. Then come down off your soapbox and offer something constructive. In the meantime I’ll hope and pray for Natalee and her parents

ScaredShitless on
June 18th, 2005 11:11 am

I say: why can’t the crappy Aruban police put the squeeze SO TIGHT on those boys that they ‘fess up! That’s why I’m DISGUSTED with ARUBA

ScaredShitless on
June 18th, 2005 11:12 am

I agree, don’t blame the poor victim. But the trip was poorly planned and Natalee just made a horrible error going out the door without a friend with her. She went ALONE and they tell kids on trip NEVER to go alone anywhere

Nona on
June 18th, 2005 11:12 am

I agree Aruba is trying to make a good SHOW. Why don’t they stop trying to look good and solve the crime? Why didn”t they question Joran as soon as Natalee was reported missing and last seen with him? You know at 11:00 AM on Monday May 30th? Why did the Aruban polis wait for Natalee’s mother to show up in their country and start raising hell to even look for him? Then another week and a half to arrest him? What are they hiding?

ScaredShitless on
June 18th, 2005 11:13 am

Nona —you said it all! Kudos! Thank God for people who have brains….most of the people on this board are illiterate pro-Aruban MORONS

moosetracks on
June 18th, 2005 11:14 am

Hey, everyone loves their own country, so we shouldn’t be putting down any country.

My question is, why does Natalee’s mom think there will be more arrests? Why would 3 boys do something to a girl, then turn around and call every guy they know? This case doesn’t make sense.

And her mom also keeps saying she thinks her daughter is alive, I believe her mom knows more than we do.

Crime goes on in every country, so no one should boycot Aruba.

As for me, I do not travel to foreign countries, there’s too much to see in the US. and probably will never see everything.

ScaredShitless on
June 18th, 2005 11:14 am

Bill O’Reilly said on his radio talkshow that if Natalee is NOT found and the case is NOT solved, you can kiss Aruba goodbye! NO ONE WILL GO THERE

alabama journalist on
June 18th, 2005 11:15 am

they are hiding, usuccessfully I might add, there absolute ineptness at solving a crime like this. These “cops” are a bunch of beach bums looking a for an easy paycheck…unfortunately there party just got shut down and they are being exposed.

ScaredShitless on
June 18th, 2005 11:15 am

Moose tracks…of course we should BOYCOTT ARUBA! That will teach them a lesson! You’re unamerican! You should convince EVERYONE to keep our travel dollars IN OUR OWN BEAUTIFUL BIG COUNTRY

ScaredShitless on
June 18th, 2005 11:16 am

well said, Alabama Journalist! By the way, I love southerners! I am a Yank

moosetracks on
June 18th, 2005 11:18 am

Scared…didn’t I just say I just travel in the U.S.? I try to support the usa even when trying to buy something made here….which is getting to the point you can’t find anything made here.

I read somewhere that this 4th arrest had underground parties….what is an underground party?

ScaredShitless on
June 18th, 2005 11:18 am

Obviously people who live on islands are used to a slower paced life & hence the slowness of this whole investigation! They are truly “beach bums”

alabama journalist on
June 18th, 2005 11:18 am

well Ill let you off the hook this time for being a Yankee…I’ll give you an honorary “southern pass” for not throwing around the supremely intelligent word “redneck” everytime a southerner doesn’t agree with you…BTW “Go Yankees”

Jerry on
June 18th, 2005 11:19 am

I would like to see someone like Annette Martin get involved from Closure4U investigations. She has to be notified by the police or by the family first. She is on the internet . Mainly because no one will talk, and if they can find a body then they have a crime and suspects and they can hold these people longer. Other wise it will be over within the month.

I will not go to Aruba if the suspects in custody are not charged with anything and set free.

alabama journalist on
June 18th, 2005 11:20 am

“underground party” is usually a term for raves or other festivities that include copious amounts of street drugs like X.

ScaredShitless on
June 18th, 2005 11:20 am

that is what galls me! why CANT these morons get those 3 boys to talk? Also I heard that Aruban authorities won’t let our USA FBI guys do much! Island pride! Island stupidity is more like it

moosetracks on
June 18th, 2005 11:20 am

Another question. Why were the original posters of Natalee, said: Kidnapped
Why not missing?

Nona on
June 18th, 2005 11:22 am

I have learned so much from this blog. If the US wants to be crime-free we can copy Aruba. Legalize prostitution, gambling, underage drinking, decriminalize drugs, ignore missing persons if a dead body does not appear and send the 3 stooges to do all the investigations so that no one is ever convicted. That should insure that our crime rates would plummet to near zero making us the safest country on EARTH.

ScaredShitless on
June 18th, 2005 11:23 am

Nona, I admire you…..you must be either a doctor, lawyer or professor. You can’t be the normal “working stiff”, you’re far too intelligent

Eddie on
June 18th, 2005 11:23 am

Hey Alabama Jormalist/
My best regards fron Toronto Canada. I went to school I hattiesburg Mississippi.
I just wanted to say I love the south and threir people
God Bless

ScaredShitless on
June 18th, 2005 11:24 am

I’m a yank whose ancestors came from Scotland in 1692…….but I too love the south!

Scared…Don’t sound to me like these Island folks lead a slow, laid back life…Sounds to me like all they do is try to figure out how to rip off Tourists from the US…sell drugs and party hardy with the Tourists..well, at least Van Der Snootful and friends anyway…This is a tragedy and although I feel sorry for the innocent, hardworking people of Aruba..like the two black arubans that were first interested seem to be, I suggest they get off that god forsaken Island and move on..BOYCOTT ARUBA TOURISTS..the Barney Fife Police is inept.

J.C. on
June 18th, 2005 11:35 am

BTW…..I read some of the comments earlier this morning. Did everybody wake up on the wrong side today or what????

ScaredShitless on
June 18th, 2005 11:36 am

With a name like “Nona”, are you Italian? (of Italian origin)?

ScaredShitless on
June 18th, 2005 11:37 am

J.C…..no, we are just disgusted with the snail-like pace of these island idiot police…if you can call them “police”….

ScaredShitless on
June 18th, 2005 11:37 am

You notice the bloggers like ArubaGirl and other “know it alls” are no longer blogging? They are probably ashamed of their stupid island and all their stupid comments about how the case will soon be solved