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Hodgson wants Saints pair's future decided

England manager Roy Hodgson wants the futures of Luke Shaw and Adam Lallana decided before the end of the month.

Hodgson has selected the pair, along with their Saints teammate Rickie Lambert, in his squad for this summer’s World Cup.

Since the season ended on Sunday, both Shaw and Lallana have been the subject of major bids, from Manchester United and Liverpool respectively.

Hodgson is aware that could be a significant distraction for the two players, and he is keen for their futures to be resolved before England fly to Miami on June 1 to finish their preparations for Brazil.

“So much is out of my control,” said the England boss.

“You don’t control players moving or being the subject of transfer speculation. This is something which happens.

“What I make very, very clear to everyone is that I accept the reality of the situation, and anything that happens is not going to be allowed to affect us.

“As far as I am concerned, you sign up for this World Cup and you sign up to do a good job for England.

“Your club future is what it is and it will be taken care of outside of England time. That is basically all I can do.

“I was asked ‘Would you like all of this to be sorted before you go to Miami?’ Of course I would.

“It is not an ideal world and that might not happen, but the one thing I am going to be very firm on is, when we are together with England, we are England and it is England that matters, and if you have got matters to resolve you do it outside of England time.

Hodgson added: “I am going to make it very clear to the players, and I have made it clear to them already, and I think they are perfectly happy with it, that England is England and your club is your club. The two are not married together.

“I don’t try as England manager to have any effect on you and your club and what you do at your club.

“But, on the other hand, you must accept when you come here it is us that matter. “So, if you take a simple example, on a medical it will have to be done outside of England time.

“Having said that, if we were in Miami and it was a last-minute thing and they wanted to send a doctor over and we had a free afternoon, and could Adam Lallana go and do a medical in his free afternoon, I am not going to say you can’t do that.

“But what I am trying to say is I am definitely not going to have agents swirling around, or this player has got to leave the camp.

“I would expect the players to understand that.”

The England manager is also confident that Shaw, who is just 18, will not be affected by the possibility of joining Manchester United.

“From what I know of him, I think he’s quite a strong lad mentally,” said Hodgson. “But he will get a lot of help from us to make sure his head doesn’t get scrambled.

“I can’t give any guarantees, of course. But there was never a thought in my mind that I might not choose this or that player, who deserves to be there, because this situation could arise.

“It’s a perpetual situation that we have to be prepared for and deal with. But you’ve at least heard my thoughts on how we’d deal with it. Then we have to wait and hope that a) it gets resolved quickly if there’s any resolution to be done and b) that it doesn’t scramble people’s heads.”

All this talk of debt is nonsense. With prize money through the roof theres no need to sell anyone, however both will be off. Lambert will probably go as well. The only thing keeping J-Rod here is his injury.

Shift Osvaldo and Ramirez, and you are looking at bringing in around 82 million. Unless its squandered in a Tottenham style thats enough to rebuild any team. We are and always have been a selling team even the glory years couldn't stop Steve Williams going to Arsenal and Mark Wright going to Derby of all places.

All this talk of debt is nonsense. With prize money through the roof theres no need to sell anyone, however both will be off. Lambert will probably go as well. The only thing keeping J-Rod here is his injury.
Shift Osvaldo and Ramirez, and you are looking at bringing in around 82 million. Unless its squandered in a Tottenham style thats enough to rebuild any team. We are and always have been a selling team even the glory years couldn't stop Steve Williams going to Arsenal and Mark Wright going to Derby of all places.techsture

I'll just be bitterly disappointed if the board don't pull out all the stops to keep Adam and Luke. Letting them go would send out the wrong message about what sort of club we are and where KL and the board see the future of the club.

I'll just be bitterly disappointed if the board don't pull out all the stops to keep Adam and Luke. Letting them go would send out the wrong message about what sort of club we are and where KL and the board see the future of the club.Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child

"I don’t try as England manager to have any effect on you and your club and what you do at your club" . But you want it sorted by end of the month, make your mind up woy, if they want to go, then set a premium price cash upfront £30m lallana £30m luke after all there under contract it works both ways, £60 + mill to purchase more players,

"I don’t try as England manager to have any effect on you and your club and what you do at your club" . But you want it sorted by end of the month, make your mind up woy, if they want to go, then set a premium price cash upfront £30m lallana £30m luke after all there under contract it works both ways, £60 + mill to purchase more players,InCortesewetrust

so all roy is saying is that he would the players to have clear heads for england and whilst he cant do much he can stop clubs doing medicals on the players whilst they are with him. without medicals deals cannot be completed so if nothing happens by sunday its doubtful it will happen until after the world cup.
as far as saints are concerned the players futures are sorted, they are our players and unless the club feels differently then they will stay our players. saints cant stop other clubs bidding, even a hands off warning wont stop that. we cant stop agents spreading rumours and we cant stop the media printing or broadcasting baseless speculation, they have made their position quite clear several times its not our fault they just ignore us.
saints are talking to MP about a contract extension and if/when that is done the players are more likely to stay.
in the meantime lalla has gone away with his family for a few days and SRL has gone to Portugal so its unlikely that anything will be done his week. if the club has decided to sell then its in our best interest to wait until after the world cup, so its doubtful anything will happen before the cup anyway.

on a separate note, I know some fans are looking at the money `offered` and think that we should take it and use it to buy several players to bolster the squad, on paper that's a great idea but you will not replace a £30mill player with 3-4 £8mill players. theres a reason the prices are so different! ask any spuds fan whether they spent the money they got from bale well or if they would rather have the one expensive player instead. not only would we lose some of the best players in the country, to replace them with inferior players who might not work out, but we would also rip out the heart of the team. sell luke and/or lalla and other players will want to leave, it wont be long until transfer requests are slapped in.
we would also be strengthening the very clubs that we want to be challenging next season, which would put us further behind instead of catching them! we don't need the money, we have a list of potential targets so there is a transfer fund in place and I cant see that being less than the last 2 summers. we have a great opportunity to take a big step up and we wont do that by selling our best players, I think we all want saints to be challenging with the big clubs not making them stronger and us weaker.

so all roy is saying is that he would the players to have clear heads for england and whilst he cant do much he can stop clubs doing medicals on the players whilst they are with him. without medicals deals cannot be completed so if nothing happens by sunday its doubtful it will happen until after the world cup.
as far as saints are concerned the players futures are sorted, they are our players and unless the club feels differently then they will stay our players. saints cant stop other clubs bidding, even a hands off warning wont stop that. we cant stop agents spreading rumours and we cant stop the media printing or broadcasting baseless speculation, they have made their position quite clear several times its not our fault they just ignore us.
saints are talking to MP about a contract extension and if/when that is done the players are more likely to stay.
in the meantime lalla has gone away with his family for a few days and SRL has gone to Portugal so its unlikely that anything will be done his week. if the club has decided to sell then its in our best interest to wait until after the world cup, so its doubtful anything will happen before the cup anyway.
on a separate note, I know some fans are looking at the money `offered` and think that we should take it and use it to buy several players to bolster the squad, on paper that's a great idea but you will not replace a £30mill player with 3-4 £8mill players. theres a reason the prices are so different! ask any spuds fan whether they spent the money they got from bale well or if they would rather have the one expensive player instead. not only would we lose some of the best players in the country, to replace them with inferior players who might not work out, but we would also rip out the heart of the team. sell luke and/or lalla and other players will want to leave, it wont be long until transfer requests are slapped in.
we would also be strengthening the very clubs that we want to be challenging next season, which would put us further behind instead of catching them! we don't need the money, we have a list of potential targets so there is a transfer fund in place and I cant see that being less than the last 2 summers. we have a great opportunity to take a big step up and we wont do that by selling our best players, I think we all want saints to be challenging with the big clubs not making them stronger and us weaker.el caballo santos101

Depends. If they're going, I'd rather it's after actually Roy. I want them to be Saints players in England shirts, plus there value might go up if they have a good tournament.

If they're staying however, then yeah, I'm with you. Let's have it confirmed ASAP. Today would be nice.

Depends. If they're going, I'd rather it's after actually Roy. I want them to be Saints players in England shirts, plus there value might go up if they have a good tournament.
If they're staying however, then yeah, I'm with you. Let's have it confirmed ASAP. Today would be nice.andoru

According to The Mirror Shaw has signed for Manchester United for 25 million! I hope so much this is untrue. I am actually saddened by this. On the personal level, I feel betrayed. All the hopes and dreams, slashed!

But on the professional level, I am disgusted. From my position as Professor of Business Administration, my take cannot be clearer: this is a huge mistake for shareholders with long term interests. Even for shareholders with medium term interest, this is dubious. Selling a player in massive demand before the chance for him to become an instant household name across the entire world, would need a massive raid to succeed against a rational shareholder with long term interest. But Let me tell you, 25 millions is not massive! At that price, the long term shareholder is a fool!

Then there are the wider ramifications. A player's value cannot be appraised without taking into account the effects of complementarity. Luke Shaw makes his team mates play better, and thereby makes them more valuable. If he is now gone, so is the large proportions of each of their value, even though they are still Saints. And that decline alone could easily exceed 25 million.

But there is more. There is, as has been stated before, the signal value of what has apparently occurred. If shareholders are not fools, then they must be maximizing over the short term. And given the quite extraordinary open statement of players warning against such an approach, this spells disaster! We could very soon, with high probability, witness destruction of value at massive scale, with players leaving at falling prices matching their falling spirits. Not to mention all the talent other places in the organization, as other companies go looking for the source of that strategic resource we have come to know as The Southampton Way. And these companies, by the way, will be those positive, intelligent clubs, making it harder for us to stay afloat as they use our resources against us...

For what it is worth, here is my view on the best sequence of decisions for Southampton, and not unsurprisingly for me, it matches quite well the fans - those very long term individuals with the best interest of the club at heart:

Build! Build complementary value on the rising value we already have. That means keeping our best resources because they bring multiplicative value. Yes, it on the cost side, numbers get larger. But value will rise overall. And looking at risk, is it really more risky to keep prime assets? If we had the money back then and had kept Bale, Chamberlain, and Walcott, could we not have sold these players if need be, for much greater sums than the accumulated interest earned on their fees? The answer is, needless to say, yes.

According to The Mirror Shaw has signed for Manchester United for 25 million! I hope so much this is untrue. I am actually saddened by this. On the personal level, I feel betrayed. All the hopes and dreams, slashed!
But on the professional level, I am disgusted. From my position as Professor of Business Administration, my take cannot be clearer: this is a huge mistake for shareholders with long term interests. Even for shareholders with medium term interest, this is dubious. Selling a player in massive demand before the chance for him to become an instant household name across the entire world, would need a massive raid to succeed against a rational shareholder with long term interest. But Let me tell you, 25 millions is not massive! At that price, the long term shareholder is a fool!
Then there are the wider ramifications. A player's value cannot be appraised without taking into account the effects of complementarity. Luke Shaw makes his team mates play better, and thereby makes them more valuable. If he is now gone, so is the large proportions of each of their value, even though they are still Saints. And that decline alone could easily exceed 25 million.
But there is more. There is, as has been stated before, the signal value of what has apparently occurred. If shareholders are not fools, then they must be maximizing over the short term. And given the quite extraordinary open statement of players warning against such an approach, this spells disaster! We could very soon, with high probability, witness destruction of value at massive scale, with players leaving at falling prices matching their falling spirits. Not to mention all the talent other places in the organization, as other companies go looking for the source of that strategic resource we have come to know as The Southampton Way. And these companies, by the way, will be those positive, intelligent clubs, making it harder for us to stay afloat as they use our resources against us...
For what it is worth, here is my view on the best sequence of decisions for Southampton, and not unsurprisingly for me, it matches quite well the fans - those very long term individuals with the best interest of the club at heart:
Build! Build complementary value on the rising value we already have. That means keeping our best resources because they bring multiplicative value. Yes, it on the cost side, numbers get larger. But value will rise overall. And looking at risk, is it really more risky to keep prime assets? If we had the money back then and had kept Bale, Chamberlain, and Walcott, could we not have sold these players if need be, for much greater sums than the accumulated interest earned on their fees? The answer is, needless to say, yes.BigBugBuzzz

BigBugBuzzz wrote:
According to The Mirror Shaw has signed for Manchester United for 25 million! I hope so much this is untrue. I am actually saddened by this. On the personal level, I feel betrayed. All the hopes and dreams, slashed!

But on the professional level, I am disgusted. From my position as Professor of Business Administration, my take cannot be clearer: this is a huge mistake for shareholders with long term interests. Even for shareholders with medium term interest, this is dubious. Selling a player in massive demand before the chance for him to become an instant household name across the entire world, would need a massive raid to succeed against a rational shareholder with long term interest. But Let me tell you, 25 millions is not massive! At that price, the long term shareholder is a fool!

Then there are the wider ramifications. A player's value cannot be appraised without taking into account the effects of complementarity. Luke Shaw makes his team mates play better, and thereby makes them more valuable. If he is now gone, so is the large proportions of each of their value, even though they are still Saints. And that decline alone could easily exceed 25 million.

But there is more. There is, as has been stated before, the signal value of what has apparently occurred. If shareholders are not fools, then they must be maximizing over the short term. And given the quite extraordinary open statement of players warning against such an approach, this spells disaster! We could very soon, with high probability, witness destruction of value at massive scale, with players leaving at falling prices matching their falling spirits. Not to mention all the talent other places in the organization, as other companies go looking for the source of that strategic resource we have come to know as The Southampton Way. And these companies, by the way, will be those positive, intelligent clubs, making it harder for us to stay afloat as they use our resources against us...

For what it is worth, here is my view on the best sequence of decisions for Southampton, and not unsurprisingly for me, it matches quite well the fans - those very long term individuals with the best interest of the club at heart:

Build! Build complementary value on the rising value we already have. That means keeping our best resources because they bring multiplicative value. Yes, it on the cost side, numbers get larger. But value will rise overall. And looking at risk, is it really more risky to keep prime assets? If we had the money back then and had kept Bale, Chamberlain, and Walcott, could we not have sold these players if need be, for much greater sums than the accumulated interest earned on their fees? The answer is, needless to say, yes.

I am not an economist, but this analysis makes perfect sense to me. The value of the club will grow if we do well and we will only do well by keeping our best players and manager. Look at the rise in the value of the club over the last few years- the money invested will have appreciated substantially. This should continue.

Yesterday was a great day for our club, three England players, Matt talking about our club, and what a great person is Ricky Lambert.

[quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote:
According to The Mirror Shaw has signed for Manchester United for 25 million! I hope so much this is untrue. I am actually saddened by this. On the personal level, I feel betrayed. All the hopes and dreams, slashed!
But on the professional level, I am disgusted. From my position as Professor of Business Administration, my take cannot be clearer: this is a huge mistake for shareholders with long term interests. Even for shareholders with medium term interest, this is dubious. Selling a player in massive demand before the chance for him to become an instant household name across the entire world, would need a massive raid to succeed against a rational shareholder with long term interest. But Let me tell you, 25 millions is not massive! At that price, the long term shareholder is a fool!
Then there are the wider ramifications. A player's value cannot be appraised without taking into account the effects of complementarity. Luke Shaw makes his team mates play better, and thereby makes them more valuable. If he is now gone, so is the large proportions of each of their value, even though they are still Saints. And that decline alone could easily exceed 25 million.
But there is more. There is, as has been stated before, the signal value of what has apparently occurred. If shareholders are not fools, then they must be maximizing over the short term. And given the quite extraordinary open statement of players warning against such an approach, this spells disaster! We could very soon, with high probability, witness destruction of value at massive scale, with players leaving at falling prices matching their falling spirits. Not to mention all the talent other places in the organization, as other companies go looking for the source of that strategic resource we have come to know as The Southampton Way. And these companies, by the way, will be those positive, intelligent clubs, making it harder for us to stay afloat as they use our resources against us...
For what it is worth, here is my view on the best sequence of decisions for Southampton, and not unsurprisingly for me, it matches quite well the fans - those very long term individuals with the best interest of the club at heart:
Build! Build complementary value on the rising value we already have. That means keeping our best resources because they bring multiplicative value. Yes, it on the cost side, numbers get larger. But value will rise overall. And looking at risk, is it really more risky to keep prime assets? If we had the money back then and had kept Bale, Chamberlain, and Walcott, could we not have sold these players if need be, for much greater sums than the accumulated interest earned on their fees? The answer is, needless to say, yes.[/p][/quote]I am not an economist, but this analysis makes perfect sense to me. The value of the club will grow if we do well and we will only do well by keeping our best players and manager. Look at the rise in the value of the club over the last few years- the money invested will have appreciated substantially. This should continue.
Yesterday was a great day for our club, three England players, Matt talking about our club, and what a great person is Ricky Lambert.Public Health

St.David wrote:
Not your call Roy. . Concentrate on the World Cup. Adam and Luke are saints players. . What happens in the future is none of your business!! Coyrs!!

You are right. Keep your nose out of our club's affairs Hodgson. Concentrate on trying to get through the group stages.

[quote][p][bold]St.David[/bold] wrote:
Not your call Roy. . Concentrate on the World Cup. Adam and Luke are saints players. . What happens in the future is none of your business!! Coyrs!![/p][/quote]You are right. Keep your nose out of our club's affairs Hodgson. Concentrate on trying to get through the group stages.Clever Dick

el caballo santos101 wrote:
so all roy is saying is that he would the players to have clear heads for england and whilst he cant do much he can stop clubs doing medicals on the players whilst they are with him. without medicals deals cannot be completed so if nothing happens by sunday its doubtful it will happen until after the world cup.
as far as saints are concerned the players futures are sorted, they are our players and unless the club feels differently then they will stay our players. saints cant stop other clubs bidding, even a hands off warning wont stop that. we cant stop agents spreading rumours and we cant stop the media printing or broadcasting baseless speculation, they have made their position quite clear several times its not our fault they just ignore us.
saints are talking to MP about a contract extension and if/when that is done the players are more likely to stay.
in the meantime lalla has gone away with his family for a few days and SRL has gone to Portugal so its unlikely that anything will be done his week. if the club has decided to sell then its in our best interest to wait until after the world cup, so its doubtful anything will happen before the cup anyway.

on a separate note, I know some fans are looking at the money `offered` and think that we should take it and use it to buy several players to bolster the squad, on paper that's a great idea but you will not replace a £30mill player with 3-4 £8mill players. theres a reason the prices are so different! ask any spuds fan whether they spent the money they got from bale well or if they would rather have the one expensive player instead. not only would we lose some of the best players in the country, to replace them with inferior players who might not work out, but we would also rip out the heart of the team. sell luke and/or lalla and other players will want to leave, it wont be long until transfer requests are slapped in.
we would also be strengthening the very clubs that we want to be challenging next season, which would put us further behind instead of catching them! we don't need the money, we have a list of potential targets so there is a transfer fund in place and I cant see that being less than the last 2 summers. we have a great opportunity to take a big step up and we wont do that by selling our best players, I think we all want saints to be challenging with the big clubs not making them stronger and us weaker.

Good post.
I'd make this very clear to Woy and everyone else by issuing a very clear statement to the whole football world. No discussion concerning any Saints players currently serving their country at the forthcoming world cup will be entered into until the world cup is over. Keeps all options open then. And if that doesn't please Woy and the rumour mill TS really.
It doesn't make sense for any manager to make his players avail before a big comp like this. Ramirez could come back worth 20mill, Yoshida 15mill, Lallana 40mill etc etc etc.
I would not want to see Gaston go - he can if need be play the same sort of game as Lallana if he decides his future lies elsewhere. He's had a tough time with injuries but he is a class act, If we're in danger of losing a player I think it will be Adam - he's of the age where this season or next could be crucial to his personal development and earning capacity and he may choose to go. Not sure the time is right for the club or Luke that it's good for him to go.
Not happy for either to go but it's Luke who is truly unique here, there are other dainty footed midfielders out there and Adam can be replaced. Luke does need a good LB signed up to push him for his place however.
It may be that their futures are already decided and if they remain with us so much the better.
Love to be a fly on the board room wall for the rest of this month.

[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote:
so all roy is saying is that he would the players to have clear heads for england and whilst he cant do much he can stop clubs doing medicals on the players whilst they are with him. without medicals deals cannot be completed so if nothing happens by sunday its doubtful it will happen until after the world cup.
as far as saints are concerned the players futures are sorted, they are our players and unless the club feels differently then they will stay our players. saints cant stop other clubs bidding, even a hands off warning wont stop that. we cant stop agents spreading rumours and we cant stop the media printing or broadcasting baseless speculation, they have made their position quite clear several times its not our fault they just ignore us.
saints are talking to MP about a contract extension and if/when that is done the players are more likely to stay.
in the meantime lalla has gone away with his family for a few days and SRL has gone to Portugal so its unlikely that anything will be done his week. if the club has decided to sell then its in our best interest to wait until after the world cup, so its doubtful anything will happen before the cup anyway.
on a separate note, I know some fans are looking at the money `offered` and think that we should take it and use it to buy several players to bolster the squad, on paper that's a great idea but you will not replace a £30mill player with 3-4 £8mill players. theres a reason the prices are so different! ask any spuds fan whether they spent the money they got from bale well or if they would rather have the one expensive player instead. not only would we lose some of the best players in the country, to replace them with inferior players who might not work out, but we would also rip out the heart of the team. sell luke and/or lalla and other players will want to leave, it wont be long until transfer requests are slapped in.
we would also be strengthening the very clubs that we want to be challenging next season, which would put us further behind instead of catching them! we don't need the money, we have a list of potential targets so there is a transfer fund in place and I cant see that being less than the last 2 summers. we have a great opportunity to take a big step up and we wont do that by selling our best players, I think we all want saints to be challenging with the big clubs not making them stronger and us weaker.[/p][/quote]Good post.
I'd make this very clear to Woy and everyone else by issuing a very clear statement to the whole football world. No discussion concerning any Saints players currently serving their country at the forthcoming world cup will be entered into until the world cup is over. Keeps all options open then. And if that doesn't please Woy and the rumour mill TS really.
It doesn't make sense for any manager to make his players avail before a big comp like this. Ramirez could come back worth 20mill, Yoshida 15mill, Lallana 40mill etc etc etc.
I would not want to see Gaston go - he can if need be play the same sort of game as Lallana if he decides his future lies elsewhere. He's had a tough time with injuries but he is a class act, If we're in danger of losing a player I think it will be Adam - he's of the age where this season or next could be crucial to his personal development and earning capacity and he may choose to go. Not sure the time is right for the club or Luke that it's good for him to go.
Not happy for either to go but it's Luke who is truly unique here, there are other dainty footed midfielders out there and Adam can be replaced. Luke does need a good LB signed up to push him for his place however.
It may be that their futures are already decided and if they remain with us so much the better.
Love to be a fly on the board room wall for the rest of this month.jls217