Im sorry but I do not buy Zimmerman's accounts of that night if those are the things he is saying.

btw that's fine, but eyewitness testimony so far is in Zimmerman's favor.

bottom line is, none of us were there, we can't know what happened. But in this great country, you can't accuse a man of a crime and punish him unless you can prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that he did it. As it stand right now, I don't have enough evidence to know for sure what happened, and if I were I on the jury I couldn't convict this man.

btw that's fine, but eyewitness testimony so far is in Zimmerman's favor.

bottom line is, none of us were there, we can't know what happened. But in this great country, you can't accuse a man of a crime and punish him unless you can prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that he did it. As it stand right now, I don't have enough evidence to know for sure what happened, and if I were I on the jury I couldn't convict this man.

I believe they're going to have too much trouble trying to convict him on charges of 2nd degree murder.

Also, from what I read, there are little tidbits about that 'stand your ground' law that indicate to me that even if you initiate the confrontation, that you could still be within the realm of the law, if you try to retreat, believing yourself to be in danger.

This dude might just walk, based on a fu*king loophole. The law itself is soooo murky.

This is going to be hard for them to prove without a reasonable doubt, that Zimmerman was the aggressor here.

You dont approach someone like you're a trained law enforcement officer

so much bias...it hurts.

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Zimmerman is not trained to handle that stuff, and he shouldnt have confronted Trayvon.

but he had every right to confront Trayvon, nothing about it was illegal or violated Trayvon's rights. a concerned citizen observing and making contact with another citizen does not require special training. based on the evidence I have seen so far; I believe the moment this whole situation got out of control is when Trayvon escalated the confrontation to violence by assaulting Zimmerman.

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You dont think dude here should serve ANY prison time?

I think Zimmerman may have handled the situation poorly, and perhaps should be punished for something akin to "recklessness", but certainly not murder.

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Zimmerman confronted and murdered a teenager.

I don't believe he murdered anyone. anyhow there is no convincing evidence of any of your assertions.

Some news outlets didn't think Zimmerman was white enough, so they went ahead and edited his pic

It'd be nice if these actually included a true citation I could look up. How the **** do I know the person that put this together didn't edit it themselves? Or maybe they collected these off various forums, where the person saved them to their own hard drive using who knows what method, causing degraded image quality/distortion.

but he had every right to confront Trayvon, nothing about it was illegal or violated Trayvon's rights. a concerned citizen observing and making contact with another citizen does not require special training. based on the evidence I have seen so far; I believe the moment this whole situation got out of control is when Trayvon escalated the confrontation to violence by assaulting Zimmerman.

I think Zimmerman may have handled the situation poorly, and perhaps should be punished for something akin to "recklessness", but certainly not murder.

I don't believe he murdered anyone. anyhow there is no convincing evidence of any of your assertions.

Bias how? Bro, do you KNOW how "neighborhood watch" generally is supposed to operate?

They watch. They deem something off, and or suspicious, they call the cops. That is their 'duty'.

Approaching a potential suspect with a concealed weapon to question them is not the duty of a regular citizen.

Why the fu*k do you think the damn 911 operator told him not to follow? You ignore that simple fact as if it wasnt of ANY importance.

The police THEMSELVES tell you to not get involved like that. You put yourself, and the suspect in potential DANGER.

AS WE SEE IN THIS CASE.

A regular citizen with ZERO training shot an unarmed kid. This was the OUTCOME regardless of what series of events took place dude.

Approaching a potential suspect with a concealed weapon to question them is not the duty of a regular citizen.

which is legal. you can whine about what is "right" all you want. doesn't change the fact that nothing Zimmerman did was illegal.

morality =/= law. the bottom line is that he did NOTHING illegal, Trayvon did when he assaulted him. it was then Zimmerman's right to defend himself. the evidence is actually that the gun never discharged the spent casing, meaning someone was holding the slide, which is indicative of a struggle for the firearm.

also if merely following someone was an aggressive or threatening action, then why aren't people beating down paparazzi and private investigators left and right?

Bias how? Bro, do you KNOW how "neighborhood watch" generally is supposed to operate?

They watch. They deem something off, and or suspicious, they call the cops. That is their 'duty'.

Approaching a potential suspect with a concealed weapon to question them is not the duty of a regular citizen.

Why the fu*k do you think the damn 911 operator told him not to follow? You ignore that simple fact as if it wasnt of ANY importance.

Zimmerman's a terrible neighborhood watch captain. That's fine. But again, it doesn't mean he didn't act in self defense. Him following Trayvon and ignoring the 911 operator are neither illegal actions nor are they actions that disprove the self defense claim.

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Originally Posted by oh the horror

A regular citizen with ZERO training shot an unarmed kid. This was the OUTCOME regardless of what series of events took place dude.

More accurately: A licensed-to-conceal citizen shot an unarmed "kid" (6'3'' 17 year old) who was physically assaulting him. As evidenced by the photos of his bloodied head injuries.