Short of the total fall and demise of the united states do you think there is anyway to get on the good sides of these middle eastern countries that hate us so much?

12-20-2002

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make islam the national religion.

see, i normally dont have a problem with religion, but all this jihad crap and people worrying constantly about the end of the world are some of the worst things about the world today and both of them are products of religion. The end of the world will be a self fulfilling prophecy. why cant people see that there is a way around it, and its a simple matter of STOP KILLING EVERYONE!!

I wish there was a way for religion and peace to coexist, but i guess im just dreaming...

12-20-2002

OneStiffRod

For NOVACAIN,

Unfortunately the Middle East and Saddam have a major impact on your country(Australia). Europe and probably Australia gets around 70% of it's OIL from this region so your government and the others have a vested interest in what happens there. In fact Europe relies much more heavily on OIL from this region than does the US - the US gets around 25% or less of it's OIL from this region - For that reason I don't understand why these European ppl don't take a more active role in containing Saddam and giving ultimatums for Saddam to comply with the UN resolutions. Instead they rely on the US/UK to spend the money and deploy the forces needed to do this.

All of the worlds problems can be solved by MONEY, plain and simple - it's the lack of it that cuases these problems.

--DEATH TO ISLAM!!!!!!!!!!-----

12-20-2002

RoD

I showed this to my history teacher and he said "Glass em till i can see my reflection"

12-20-2002

golfinguy4

>>If you read my post I say it was the US and UK. I say it was Blair and GWB. Why do you pick only the US? <<

Because all that I ever see you say about the US is that we suck in some way.

>>Why is it the second someone says anything silghtly anti US all you Americans are shouting?
Can't you take any criticism?<<

Criticism implies that there is also something good. However, I cannot remember a time you said the US was good. Maybe someone is overly critical?

>>Or don't you think it is true that the US and UK sold Iraq all its arms?<<

I'm not going to get into the lesser of two evils argument again.

>>But as in WW1 (and WW2) when asked, 26% of the male population volunteered to go to a war that would never touch Australia.<<

But you sure would have cared if the US and other Allied nations didn't support the nations who were actually "touch"ed by the war. Many of the nations who fought were not "touch"ed by the war. No US state was attacked during WWII. We still came in and helped. The same is true of many South American nations. Now, if these nations hadn't come in and helped out and Australia was attacked by Japan, you might have cared then. I think you fail to realize that it was the actions of the heroic Australian soldiers whose land hadn't been "touch"ed yet that made sure their land wasn't "touch"ed.

>>But it is time we stood back and said no more, and found some other method.<<

Couldn't agree with you more.

>>North Korea has admitted it has nuke program. It is in the 'Axis of Evil'.
Why are we not planning to get them before they use them?<<

Well, as you know, the world revolves around money, and North Korea isn't exactly an oil tycoon of a nation. A calm/nonagressive Middle East would be a lot more profitable to the world than a North Korea.

12-20-2002

minesweeper

>>I showed this to my history teacher and he said "Glass em till i can see my reflection"<<

hmmmm...for a history teacher to say that, I think is quite a sorry state of affairs.

12-22-2002

zahid

"We should leave all the other countries alone until they attack first". This is stright plain answer.

But is there everything that straight and plain? I would suggest to keep an open eye.

If that question is a statement on straight war, the answer is YES. We should not attack untill some attacks. Else just Chaos and incase of judgement that will be against the first attackers.

12-23-2002

the Wookie

Quote:

Originally posted by OneStiffRod --DEATH TO ISLAM!!!!!!!!!!-----

wow, you're ignorant

12-23-2002

OneStiffRod

DEATH TO IRAQ
DEATH TO IRAN
DEATH TO NORTH KOREA

--DEATH TO ISLAM--

I am a psychic, these predictions will come TRUE.

12-23-2002

sean

It isn't Islam, it's the extremists, many of whom just happen to be Muslims. O.J. Simpson was a catholic and I don't see people saying much about that.

Wait until we're attacked? Let me explain a few things to you.

When somebody hijacks a plane and rams it into an office building, that's an attack. We waited until we were attacked in World War II and now we have Pearl Harbor Day. If somebody with a gun points it at your face and says they're going to kill you, do you wait until they shoot? No, you kick his manhood, grab the gun and shoot him first!

Nuclear weapons aren't exactly something you don't want to take easily. When the Twin Towers went down, it did less damage then a Hydrogen bomb the size of computer monitor would do. The blast would be a lot smaller, but there's also this little thing called radiation, which has an annoying little tendency of being able to mutilate and kill people thousands of years later.

So why don't we all just shut up? Whether you agree with Bushes plan or not, he was voted in by us, he's done nothing contrary to the constitution, and this thread accomplishes very little more than ........ing me off.

12-23-2002

joshdick

Quote:

Originally posted by Sean It isn't Islam, it's the extremists, many of whom just happen to be Muslims. O.J. Simpson was a catholic and I don't see people saying much about that.

Exactly. OneStiffRod is an absolute idiot if he thinks that Islam is to blame.

Quote:

So why don't we all just shut up? Whether you agree with Bushes plan or not, he was voted in by us, he's done nothing contrary to the constitution, and this thread accomplishes very little more than ........ing me off.

No, Bush was not voted in by us. He did not, I repeat did not, win the popular vote. He only won thanks to an antiquated voting system thought up before the existence of political parties and mass communication.

Yes, his administration has done things contrary to the Constitution. Just take a look at all of the rights that Ashcroft has stripped citizens of. It's sad and astonishing how much they're getting away with.

If you're getting ........ed off, don't read this thread or go post in another forum. No one is forcing you to participate in this discussion. In this country we have this little thing called free speech. If you don't like that, Iraq or another member of the Axis of Evil might be willing to take you in.

12-23-2002

sean

Fireproof rock... heh heh heh...

Problem? Mistakes? US?

12-23-2002

Polymorphic OOP

I don't have much faith in Bush and it kind of frightens me that he's our president (well, those of us here that are in the US that is). It scares me that he calls them the "axis of evil" and that he referred to the terrorists as "the evil-do'ers" all the time after 9/11. What is this, a comic a book? Who put Bush in charge of the Justice League!?

12-23-2002

the Wookie

Quote:

Originally posted by OneStiffRod DEATH TO IRAQ
DEATH TO IRAN
DEATH TO NORTH KOREA

--DEATH TO ISLAM--

I am a psychic, these predictions will come TRUE.

well your name suits you well

12-23-2002

Polymorphic OOP

Hahaha, wookie, you really have to change your avatar. The brightness on my monitor is kinda low and that looks very dirty :rolleyes: