The Windows 8 Sales Data Is In, And It's Bad News For Microsofthttp://www.businessinsider.com/the-windows-8-sales-data-is-in-and-its-horrible-news-for-microsoft-2012-11/comments
en-usWed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 -0500Sun, 02 Aug 2015 19:19:30 -0400Nicholas Carlsonhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/50bd0e746bb3f79155000011chfMon, 03 Dec 2012 15:41:24 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50bd0e746bb3f79155000011
A hardware solution to a software problem? Wow Microsoft... just... wow. The end times are near :Phttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/50bcec2aecad04372b00000dlyndonjjMon, 03 Dec 2012 13:15:06 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50bcec2aecad04372b00000d
I'm not surprised. The product is good, but the marketing has missed the mark and has failed to create demand. I wrote about it here [and why I think RIM should be worried by this news] <a href="http://ow.ly/fMyk9" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >http://ow.ly/fMyk9</a>http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50bca69569bedd9d1e000010txemiMon, 03 Dec 2012 08:18:13 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50bca69569bedd9d1e000010
Despite Windows 7 being fantastic, do you know anyone that has switched to Mac OS X and has later returned to Windows?
Maybe it's time to bring back Bill Gates, before Google enters the desktop with Android. By insisting on Chrome OS, Google is giving some air to Microsoft.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50bbf7e7ecad04165c00002cLinus Benedict TorvaldsSun, 02 Dec 2012 19:52:55 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50bbf7e7ecad04165c00002c
No Start Button = No Sales
:)http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50bbe17d69bedd3346000012brainoutSun, 02 Dec 2012 18:17:17 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50bbe17d69bedd3346000012
@gomerpile
My, how disingenuous you are. The evidence against Windows 8 is all over the internet. User reviews are about 50% one-star or two-star ratings, because of the difficulties in installation and usage.
So the evidence is overwhelming. That you might be pleased, is an exception. So I won't reply to you again, since you act as if there were no counter information when you say 'please give proof of any issues'. JUST GOOGLE ON WINDOWS 8 PROBLEMS, look up the 600 reviews in Amazon, or in newegg or in TigerDirect by users who went through the horror of installation.
People who don't do their homework and pretend no problems don't deserve any credence at all.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50bb405b6bb3f7b96500004fEric FanSun, 02 Dec 2012 06:49:47 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50bb405b6bb3f7b96500004f
MS is greedy and pride. Windows 8 on pad should be below $2. They can get profit from the market place, isn't it? Why so expensive?
MS deserve the shrink. Now people need something thin, light, long battery life, open, but not the powerful OS! Intel+MS is PC. Pads are another thing. In old days, workstation is for productivity. Now, PC will take over and PADs will take over PC's task-entertainment.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ba5851eab8ea907a00000agomerpileSat, 01 Dec 2012 14:19:45 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ba5851eab8ea907a00000a
Keith Klima myself bata tester and MSTN tester for window version.
Stable OS compaired to windows 7 first Release
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes from zdnet tested 8 vs 7 and not one issure in top hardware and games, apps, final word in testing. Is below
Techradar and more are saying its very stable OS please give proof of any issues
From a performance perspective, I've very pleased with the way that Windows 8 has turned out. While there are no major performance differences between the Windows 8 Release Preview and the newly released Windows 8 RTM version, performance seems solid, and in areas where the platform lagged behind Windows 7, Microsoft seems to have put in the effort to close the gap.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ba5561ecad04f54300000dgomerpileSat, 01 Dec 2012 14:07:13 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ba5561ecad04f54300000d
Explain what are the all kinds of problem, its is more on the I dont like rather than issues with the OS, More people that are actually using 8 are reallying liking it.
Give more detail to all kinds of problemshttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ba30bf69bedda116000016brainoutSat, 01 Dec 2012 11:30:55 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ba30bf69bedda116000016
REVISED Seven Steps
1) MAKE SURFACE EASILY a) convert your voice to Word text, b) make your handwriting convert to Word text, c) Connect remotely to your home/office computer so you can use the tablet to compute on it. Then it will sell like hotcakes, Win8 or no Win8 (even I would suffer the GUI if I could get these features from ANY computer or tablet).
2) Make a pure tablet touch device with a dedicated OS and call it Windows Tablet. (yeah!)
3) REDO the Win8 interface so the user can customize it like he could in XP - WIN8 is physically ugly. ("Hire Chip Foose to design their next tablet." -- meaning?)
4) RETRAIN the head of the Windows 8 OS - the gamble needs retooling so the USER can totally customize the desktop interface.
5) Allow the vendors to make their own desktops and laptops with or witnout Windows, since Windows works well in dual-boot scenarios, and that will keep or even increase sales but without tyranny.
6) MAYBE Release all the above, as Windows 9 with traditional UI/UX and distribution model for all other existing PC vendors. Oh: and make it BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE with all prior releases, so we can port our old records or at least READ them, via Win9.
7) REMOVE the forced UEFI 'secure boot' on pre-installed machines, and let the USER decide if that's what he wants.
THEN you can pop the champagne. :)http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ba2d5d6bb3f7fc5e000005brainoutSat, 01 Dec 2012 11:16:29 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ba2d5d6bb3f7fc5e000005
My sentiments exactly, Norgexxx. Were I on the Board of Directors, I'd want all the upper-tier management canned.
But I'm not on the Board. So, I'm jumping ship, and migrating to Linux. Under protest, and with great reluctance. I need backwards compatibility all the way back to the 1980's, as my pension administration records go back that far, and under US Federal law, I have to keep all those old records operational.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ba2aa7eab8ea1815000008brainoutSat, 01 Dec 2012 11:04:55 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ba2aa7eab8ea1815000008
To Norgexxxx:
1. The last thing you want is regulators to be involved, so don't even THINK of recommending that. If you want your life truly made miserable, ask for regulation.
2. Outlook Express was replaced with Mail in Vista, and then Mail was replaced with Live Mail in Win7, so of course Outlook Express won't work in Win8. I'm an avid OE fan, and I found that I could transfer all my stuff to Thunderbird, seamlessly. Tbird operates much like OE, and will work in Win8. Alternatively, I can transfer all my OE to MS Outlook, and rumor has it that Outlook 2003 et seq will operate in Win8, even as it will operate in Vista and Win7.
3. Yes, there are a lot of hoops and lack of backwards compatibility in Win8, but the same was true with Windows 7 (Vista seems more backwards-compatible).
4. It also depends on whether you moved to 64-bit, which is compatible backwards with nothing. 32-bit programs can run, but you have to do a clean install anyway, so have to reinstall everything.
Is all this a hassle? You bet. That's why I went out and bought used machines with Vista and 7, and bought four more factory-sealed copies of XP Pro OS, and will learn Linux so to dual-boot all my XP machines. Done that way, only internetting might change in the future, and since Thunderbird runs in Linux, once I can get past Tbird's own limitations I'll do my internetting in Linux, or Win7. Everything else will remain as it was.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ba280decad047769000015brainoutSat, 01 Dec 2012 10:53:49 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ba280decad047769000015
Look: I can't stand Win8, but this gloom-and-doom reporting everyone in the online computer magazines are all selling, is way too premature. The OS has only been out for a month. It's a brand new design. People installing it have had all kinds of problems. So they haven't had time to become familiar with it.
Business shouldn't be expected to jump on the bandwagon quickly, for they never do. Individuals also shouldn't be expected to just salivate over an operating system they don't know, either. It wasn't rolled out well, this new system. Its tablets are too similar to the untrained eye, and the fact that Pro sounds more like what people will want, means that in the initial phase, there will be a waiting. Tech savvy people wait until SP1 to buy, anyway. So again, the gloom reporting is way too premature.
MS did make mistakes in the rollout. After they correct those mistakes, maybe it will take off.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ba08ee69beddff3e000001gomerpileSat, 01 Dec 2012 08:41:02 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ba08ee69beddff3e000001
Its not windows 8, its the lack of devices that are available for windows 8, I cannot find a touch screen laptop or a monitor. Blame it on hardware vendors that are trying to sell the old stuff before developing the new hardware. Fact not fiction,http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b9fa0eecad04d117000028alexbergerSat, 01 Dec 2012 07:37:34 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b9fa0eecad04d117000028
They need to spend 1/10th of the focus they spend on development on a sound marketing and design platform. The problem isn't so much the product, it's that Microsoft has spent millions on some of the worst branding in the industry. The two exceptions recently were the slide commercial which had some limited potential and the new IE sassy response ad. Outside of that everything about their branding department is horrible and has been for a good 10 years. It's a prime example of horrible marketing advice, strategy and execution killing a brand.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b9db3769bedd2e40000039ConradCASat, 01 Dec 2012 05:25:59 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b9db3769bedd2e40000039
It's a horrible experience to use. I can tollerate Windows 7, but there is nothing good about windows 8 and many things that I hate about it. When you want to veiw things like a pdf file you get this horible application that takes over the screen and has no appareent controls and I had to spend forever trying to close itt.
Then their is the horible dual UIs. A new one that has lots of ugly rectangles and no menus, I have to select openlook to go to the older stype UI. It doesn't appear to have any menus either. Why would I want such a terrible system?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b9cd75eab8ea8046000047po11oSat, 01 Dec 2012 04:27:17 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b9cd75eab8ea8046000047
The release was made on October 26, not 22.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b9a7126bb3f7e562000003AlashSat, 01 Dec 2012 01:43:30 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b9a7126bb3f7e562000003
I'm reallly surprised why selling 40 mils of windows copies aren't satisfied analytic.
It is clear that a lot of companies earn money on analytic, but Microsoft is the most strong.
40 mils in first time is a good achievement. Dividing on days - we can see it is around 50 right now and will keep growinghttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b9613a6bb3f7815a000038JCYFri, 30 Nov 2012 20:45:30 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b9613a6bb3f7815a000038
The point that they missed is that there should have been a selection on boot up.....am I a tablet or am I a computer. The tablet crap does not belong on a PC plus we want to get to where we want to go the same way but faster........I would like to go into all the homes of the people who thought this was a great idea and rearrange the stuff in their cabinets, all of their furniture in different rooms and tell them its easier to get into the basement through the basement window then the regular stairs. Why should one have to spend so much time learning how to operate something that should be startup and go. No power off button, no start menu buton are you kidding me. I hope the next version of windows will make us forget about windows 8!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b9357beab8eae60500001aCharles PisanoFri, 30 Nov 2012 17:38:51 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b9357beab8eae60500001a
They liked vista so much, they brought it back.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b93477eab8eab70a000008JamesFri, 30 Nov 2012 17:34:31 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b93477eab8eab70a000008
Seven Simple Steps To Turn Things Around:
1) Kill Surface by end of 2013. There's no market for it.
2) Make a pure tablet touch device with a dedicated OS and call it Windows Tablet.
3) Fire their hardware design lead - Surface is physically ugly. Hire Chip Foose to design their next tablet.
4) Fire the head of the Windows 8 OS - the gamble failed.
5) Make their own laptop with its own dedicated OS and call it Windows Laptop - no more overhead for supporting other vendor laptops.
6) Release Windows 9 as a desktop only OS with traditional UI/UX and distribution model for all other existing PC vendors.
7) Pop the champagnehttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b932bceab8eaf207000009Curtis IsabellFri, 30 Nov 2012 17:27:08 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b932bceab8eaf207000009
my uncle bought my grand parents a computer and it had windows 8, on thanks giving we went there and I got to try it out, I have had many windows OS, win 95, win xp, and vista and win7. windows 8 is by far the most annoying OS I have ever used. at first it looked easy, click on the giant square icon of what you want to do, but then. how do you close it? no task bar at the bottom? no X on the top left? I found out to close this program I had to right click the top LEFT of the screen, and close program? made no sense.
I wanted to see the dxdiag of the computer, to see if it was better or worse then the ones we had at home and low and behold it took me 10 minutes to figure out how to run the simple test I can start on win7 in like 5seconds.
Needless to say, I am glad I have a win7 disk at home, because I will NEVER downgrade to windows 8.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b92a90eab8eada74000003Political PhysicsFri, 30 Nov 2012 16:52:16 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b92a90eab8eada74000003
Yeah, I'm amazed how quickly public opinion is turning against intellectual privilege. And just think, all that was needed was to put a "break the law" button in every home...
One thing I never have understood about IP is the notion that if Thomas Edison hadn't invented the incandescent light bulb that we would still be using gas lights. Bullshit. It would have taken maybe another decade [and likely much less] for someone else to make the discovery. Under IP, when two individuals are working, nay competing, to solve a problem there is a strong disincentive for the underdog to quit as his research labor will not only be outpaced by the victor, but usurped as well. Isn't that theft?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b9279eeab8ea446d00000aMike HuntFri, 30 Nov 2012 16:39:42 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b9279eeab8ea446d00000a
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b91d3969bedd470b000019Jeff Matthews Snarky TurdFri, 30 Nov 2012 15:55:21 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b91d3969bedd470b000019
Look at the share price of CY and ATML and you gotta wonder if touchscreen monitors need to be that expensive. When Samsung and Apple switched to incell touch, CY and ATML were left with excess capacity and falling prices for regular touch capacitors. If Dell, MSFT or HP offered them volume, they would get an incredible price.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b9077d6bb3f78237000013Too EarlyFri, 30 Nov 2012 14:22:37 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b9077d6bb3f78237000013
The hybrid laptop/tablets with Intel chips are going to dominate enterprises. You have to wait for the new models. I want one with a stylus. My local stores have mostly Windows 8 machines that are non touch screen. Who would want to buy these?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b903d4eab8ea6c1900000aPJ BrunetFri, 30 Nov 2012 14:07:00 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b903d4eab8ea6c1900000a
Windows 9 will be Linux, just like Android ;-)http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b9028beab8eac216000011mikej77Fri, 30 Nov 2012 14:01:31 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b9028beab8eac216000011
Please, this is interesting. IP is a very interesting as a protected commodity reserved from the public domain.
This is a really big deal in pharmaceuticals and Biotech as you are attempting to "patent" basic elements of Life in terms of organic molecules and the OS for the Universe.
It is a little expensive to acquire now but seizing it after the share price collapses seems reasonable. Seriously there have been a lot of improvements but the OS should be invisible to the intended end user.
Hal: Good Morning Dave, what do you want to do now?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b900486bb3f78d2c00000dilaFri, 30 Nov 2012 13:51:52 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b900486bb3f78d2c00000d
I haven't had a PC that took five minutes to boot since I had that one Linux distro that insisted on doing filesystem maintenance at boot time. There are quite a few other enhancements to Windows 8 that aren't specific to the immersive UI, a big one of which is Storage Spaces.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8fc1a69bedd803600000fNot Chicken LittleFri, 30 Nov 2012 13:34:02 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8fc1a69bedd803600000f
Windows 8 - the new Windows Vista!
Looks like a Linux distribution of one flavor or another will be the future for my machines...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8fc0e6bb3f7c021000024NorgexxxFri, 30 Nov 2012 13:33:50 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8fc0e6bb3f7c021000024
"Like the recent presidential election, (MItt) Microsoft let the competition define the product."
Great analogy....except the compitition defined Mitt in a false light, and you may think; "8 isn't a bad operating system", but since when is it SOP for American tech companies to market new products that are defined by " Buy this...it isn't bad"? That in itself makes it a horrible beginning, and its' lose of compatibility with older systems and apps makes it worthless to those of us who are simply trying to save existing data and build on it in a secure fashion and who only need a limited number of new apps. For us 8 sucks, but suport for XP and 7 are expiring so there goes our security. Frankly, MS has screwed all of us.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8fc0069bedd6e39000012Andrew CFri, 30 Nov 2012 13:33:36 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8fc0069bedd6e39000012
I work for a large corporation and something like Windows 8 represents a huge cost to our company with no added benefit. There is a huge tech support cost to any major system upgrade and it's very rare that the actual Windows OS upgrade adds any value. Think about it - does my CEO care how "cool" the user interface is? Of course not, he just wants us to be able to run the programs that we already run on the old Windows system. We want the thing to run programs - that's it.
And now they've added a completely different user interface which will lead to huge training costs for our workforce. Not to mention that we have proprietary software that may work differently on the new OS.
Long story short - for large companies, upgrading to Windows 8 is a huge cost with no real benefit.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8f9276bb3f72e1d000015PWObserverFri, 30 Nov 2012 13:21:27 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8f9276bb3f72e1d000015
Put the article in context.
Surface Hardware
Surface is a hardware reference to kick the OEMs in the butt to up their game and look what happened, the market now has NEW much more innovative offerings, that part of their plan worked.
No Applications
The thing is, there's no real demand for new desktop machines. Name 10, or better name 5 applications that push a desktop machine to it's limits - a reason for a user to upgrade their mid 1990's desktop, there just aren't enough developers pushing the limits on applications that demand a new purchase for high performance desktops. They all went the easy route, dumbed down their products to run on the mobile market and abandoned the need for serious upgrades on a desktop.
OEM upgrades
Intel is learning this. From the techblogs it appears Intel is taking a page from Apple e.g. in the future they won't be selling standalone processors without a motherboard. If you want the latest anything, it means a system purchase - aka the Apple model. Embedded co-processors on the motherboard really lock out the upgrade market and will force new systems sales or push consumers further away from the desktop.
EU Commission Effects Discrete Sales
The EU is pushing to legislate against discrete cards for "power consumption" reasons. Buying a graphic card was a means to keep an older model desktop up to date. The discrete market is slowing down as the integrated (embedded processor) market is taking the lead.
Lack of Applications
There aren't a lot of applications require high performance these days. Sure for enthusiasts there are a "few" games that do, but there are alternatives too, simply buy an Xbox. Microsoft is killing their own Windows enthusiast market sales by having Xbox...
Windows 8 isn't a bad operating system, it's stable, fast and provides more for corporate offices but... that could have been achieved without forcing the new touch interface on users. Making touch optional, like they do Media Center would have been a better marketing approach instead of scaring away potential users as they have - They pushed too hard, too late. Incremental would have been better, that and getting the developers on board BEFORE launch.
My recommendations for MSFT.
Get new applications out there and to do that Microsoft is going to need to pay to do it. Microsoft, give your Microsoft Consulting Services for free to any serious developer that asks for help for the next two years. Go to every media site out there, go to every television or radio station out there and make a Windows 8/mobile application for them for free to make the brand worth something.
Can the Surface RT product now. Shutdown production, stop any marketing related to RT and focus on Ultrabooks - which means focusing on the Desktop aspect of Windows, not the interface formerly known as Metro. Live tiles are cool but to force users to live in live tiles without a desktop mode? Seriously, kill Surface RT now and stop the bleeding. Users have loudly spoken, they aren't ready to be Metro, there simply aren't enough of "those" so called applications to make it compelling.
40 million Windows 8 sales to resellers while a good number doesn't reflect how many users have purchased Windows 8 from those resellers and why should they, the marketing has been abysmal, confusing and botched from the get go. Microsoft needs social media engagement, teams of employees correcting the F.U.D. put out by their competitors.
Like the recent presidential election, (MItt) Microsoft let the competition define the product.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8f920ecad04c536000011NorgexxxFri, 30 Nov 2012 13:21:20 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8f920ecad04c536000011
It makes no difference the platform that 8 is offered in, tablet, pc, phone, etc. The simple fact of the matter is that it is impossible to transfer your old 'outlook express' e-mail addys to the 'new' e-mail app. Same with most pictures and other files, all must eb done with pencil and paper and copying then typing each in individually, downloading 'comaptibility add-ons' to get your pics and vids to work, more add-ons to get all your games, more then one yr old, to work, and we're supposed to spend how much $$ to MS for all the headaches and inconvienience?? My advice to regulators and MS both, make MS continue support for XP & 7 until they come up with a package that makes moving to 8 seamless with no loss of data to the user....OR make MS transfer the data for the new 8 customer free of charge and insure all his current apps work on the new 8 platform. My wife has been struggling with * for over 4 months now, lost a tone of data, countless hours spent trying to un-F___ their program, and basically spent more in lost wages trying to get it to comply with current apps then what the dang thing cost to began with. I haven't even taken mine out of the box, and am off a mind to return it unopened and bite the bullet and just learn Apple. I used to be a big defender of MS, now I'm just disgusted. So many hours of our lifes, hours we can never get back to enjoy our life, have been spent in frustration, aggravation, on hold, and unproductive of a new corporation who is striving mightily to prove it doesn't care about the customer once the system is out the door, and doesn't give a damn about keeping the customer productive. You need to look for new computers for business or home you would be the biggest fool in the world to go with a Windows product today. I started with 3.2 on my first PC, and have updated regularly through the years, and was impressed with MS all the time....now I'm frustrated, fed-up and ready to throw in the towel! Unless MS offers to have someone get our system up and running with no loss of data during change over we are suing to get our money back!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8f8646bb3f7ec1c000014Political PhysicsFri, 30 Nov 2012 13:18:12 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8f8646bb3f7ec1c000014
I hate to espouse the labor theory of value, but business models with essentially no manufacturing cost will eventually suffer no sales revenue. Just because someone thought up some program in 1995 doesn't give a golden parachute to sell the innovation without additional labor input for as long as IP dictates. Support for IP is already waning, and business models that profiteer from the arrangement are going to increasingly butt heads with technology even if "state morality" dictates they shouldn't have to. That's just the reality of the situation; adapt or perish.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8f48decad044c2e000006cxfFri, 30 Nov 2012 13:01:49 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8f48decad044c2e000006
Stock is barely down on the news. Appears the market has already factored in the news. Msft is still trading above last years levels. By the way, if Microsoft goes, we all go. You can't get work done on a tablet of phone. Get real.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8f4876bb3f77214000014MJFri, 30 Nov 2012 13:01:43 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8f4876bb3f77214000014
The bottom line is Microsoft sucks. They do not know how to make anything that works -- hardware or software. Let them die!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8f42beab8eaa87500000fsymbolsetFri, 30 Nov 2012 13:00:11 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8f42beab8eaa87500000f
This is the standard threat. "We will take away your old Windows if you won't buy the new one." Well guess what. We have abundant alternatives now. We can go mobile, Windows or Mac.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8f397eab8eab072000009cetakFri, 30 Nov 2012 12:57:43 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8f397eab8eab072000009
Can we give windows 8 more than a month before we start dooming It for windows 9.
I am currently using windows 8 and I seriously don't understand what all the fuss is about. I would love for someone to intelligently explain the problem with windows 8 right now.
All of the slow sales propaganda sound more like tabloid BS than fact especially being that we are calling a marathon over after the first mile. To me that seems like the latest in corporate attacks. I'm not saying this is the case, but it would be easy to hire about 50-100 bloggers and have to constantly fire off negative BS about something trying to sway the public in a specified direction. This would also be cheaper than standard marketing for large corporations. Look at politics, don't talk about what you're doing, talk about what the other guy isn't doing.
I know that sounds like a conspiracy theory, but who knows. Just sound like a lot of doom and gloom are coming out of these site for something that has only been out for 30 days. (Especially on BI, seems to be the worst, when it comes to MS, as a matter of fact, I think over 70% of Business Insiders articles about Microsoft have a negative slant to them.)
Why aren't we still talking about the ios map fiasco? #just saying.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8f2ee6bb3f76112000004markthesharkFri, 30 Nov 2012 12:54:54 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8f2ee6bb3f76112000004
The iPad mini didn't help Windows 8 tablet sales either.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8f1c869bedd8d1b000011mikej77Fri, 30 Nov 2012 12:50:00 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8f1c869bedd8d1b000011
Yes, I agree there are those taking up some new PCs but not nearly enough.
MSFT really needs a cash for clunkers program of some sort. Can't get into hardware, that is mostly Asian. Lenovo is going global on phones this year....
Time to sell it to China, this must be a short for people with great stamina/http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8ef5e69bedd0416000009bdbrFri, 30 Nov 2012 12:39:42 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8ef5e69bedd0416000009
The most visible difference with Windows 8 is it's touchscreen-oriented interface; thus it's not the compelling upgrade for Windows users that XP and Win7 were. Most of the sales will just be on new PCs purchased by consumers or businesses small enough that they don't maintain standard configurations.
XP/Win7 on tablets were just desktop OSs shoehorned onto tablets. Win8 laptops look like a tablet OS shoehorned onto a laptop. When we start seeing more convertible laptops and new mobile hardware platforms, the Win8 picture may be more compelling.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8ef436bb3f7720b00000dDHFri, 30 Nov 2012 12:39:15 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8ef436bb3f7720b00000d
Disagree completely. The "new game" at the corporate level is PC virtualization (basically, getting rid of the desktop and running a virtualized copy of Windows on a server). This new virtualization model doesn't care what you're running it on (PC, wyse box, tablet) -- Microsoft is shifting their licensing strategy to account for virtualization . . . so at some point in the not too distant future, M/S won't CARE what you're running their virtual environment on (including tablets), they'll still get their licensing fee.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8ee0becad04e420000013nologinFri, 30 Nov 2012 12:34:03 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8ee0becad04e420000013
I finally tried 8, honestly I don't understand their fascination with building a touch based laptop OS. It's not intuitive or ergonomic.. The people that say it is probably never used a multitouch trackpad on a macbook pro. The keyboard is where your hands go and to keep moving your hands away from that is just cool for the sake of cool. They should build their trackpads like the trackpads on a macbook pro, you don't need to touch the actual screen because with the large trackpad and multitouch you actually touch the screen on your trackpad next to the keyboard. Those two inch dell trackpads were awful.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8ed15eab8ea5065000009mikej77Fri, 30 Nov 2012 12:29:57 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8ed15eab8ea5065000009
Thanks for the information. If old tech works well enough its continued employment is understandable and this is just continuously sinking Microsoft.
They are cut off from hardware manufacturing too and are very exposed at this point.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8ed1069beddea12000009James StockFri, 30 Nov 2012 12:29:52 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8ed1069beddea12000009
OH DEAR... HERE WE GO AGAIN. I wish someone would tell the author that this report is all hype and nothing more,
THIS IS NOT (REPEAT NOT ) WINDOWS 8 SALES DATA. THIS IS SALES OF PCs THAT INCLUDES THE TIME BEFORE WINDOWS 8 WAS EVEN FOR SALE !!
Please give us CORRECT and RELEVANT figures before all of these "Horrible News" hype.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8ec8feab8ea7862000010tawse57Fri, 30 Nov 2012 12:27:43 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8ec8feab8ea7862000010
The mess that MSFT is with regards to Windows 8, the Surface tablet and Windows 8 phone is now beginning to be reflected in the falling MSFT stock price.
Eventually people will twig that if MSFT is going down then NOK should be falling a lot harder due to how dependent Nokia is on MSFT both financially and technically.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8ebec6bb3f76102000014bdbrFri, 30 Nov 2012 12:25:00 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8ebec6bb3f76102000014
It depends on the business. My (tech) company rarely keeps laptops for more than a few years. My doctor still has the same Pentium 4 desktop mounted onto the top of his cabinet that was there ten years ago! It runs one program (and that doesn't seem to have changed much, either).http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8eb69ecad04e520000001bdbrFri, 30 Nov 2012 12:22:49 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8eb69ecad04e520000001
An important distinction of the current Surface is that it is ARM-based, therefore doesn't run Windows apps (unless the developer recompiles it) and doesn't work with Active Directory (which most large companies use for authentication).
Microsoft plans to release a "Pro" version in January, though that is effectively just a $900 Intel-based Windows 8 tablet. Lots of Win8 tablets will likely crop up over the next year, probably for less money. Of course, Microsoft makes money either way!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8e67decad04a71300000belosoFri, 30 Nov 2012 12:01:49 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8e67decad04a71300000b
and what are they going to use them for? are they replacing all the laptops and desktops in the office? most likely not. Maybe they will do what United Airlines did, and return them en mass too. ire maybe they will buy all the periferals so that people can use them to long into PC's so they can do real workhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8e53d69bedd557a00001cBooty JuiceFri, 30 Nov 2012 11:56:29 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8e53d69bedd557a00001c
Monopolists with zero sense of design, style, function or reliability.
"The beatings will stop when morale improves"http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8e515ecad04e913000003CheetohFingersFri, 30 Nov 2012 11:55:49 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8e515ecad04e913000003
Corporate purchases move very slowly though so no one should be freaking out.
By the time we're on the eve of Windows 9, Windows 8 will be crowned a success.
Much like cars, people need to replace computers.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8e4caecad04a61300000aaFri, 30 Nov 2012 11:54:34 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8e4caecad04a61300000a
you mean, Windows Blue edition 2013?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8e33069bedd8377000009Trace_CohenFri, 30 Nov 2012 11:47:44 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8e33069bedd8377000009
Besides Microsoft Word, I haven't bought a new product from them since I bought a refurbished Xbox in college that broke last year...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8e315eab8eaa34c000014H BogartFri, 30 Nov 2012 11:47:17 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8e315eab8eaa34c000014
My small business spent heavily every year from 1998 to 2005 on PC's, servers and other hardware (mostly from Dell) and all the latest flavors of Microsoft products. Since 2006, we've spent very little on anything Microsoft or PC-related. We're running XP SP3, Server 2003, Exchange 2003 and mostly Office 10 or 11. Our business software and proprietary stuff run fine on XP and Server 2003. Everything runs well too. The PC's and servers were all top of the line circa 2004-2005. There was no compelling reason to upgrade to Vista, Win 7 and now Win 8 - and plenty of reasons not to upgrade. We're buying some iPads and of course Droids and iPhones - but zero from MS and very little from the PC and peripheral manufacturers.
If we are in any way typical of other small and medium size businesses (or even large), then I would agree that MSFT is in big trouble.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8e138eab8ead04700000dFree John CorzineFri, 30 Nov 2012 11:39:20 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8e138eab8ead04700000d
Maybe MS will realize that consumers and business don't actually care about which version of the operating system they are running on a device. Windows 8 - what does that tell you other than they had 7 before (not really but assume they could count)
Maybe MS should market concept like available apps, usability, integration, mobility, etc?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8e0e269bedd7b76000004Andrew HallFri, 30 Nov 2012 11:37:54 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8e0e269bedd7b76000004
Advice for Mr. Ballmer, from a twenty-year user of Microsoft products:
1) DROP STACK RANKING. It's making your employees miserable and miserable employees have a hard time changing the world. Find a way to reward your top employees and discipline non-performers without subjecting the entire company to an internal review process that makes them cannibalize each other. Happier employees will contribute a creativity and positivity to your company that WILL improve your bottom line.
2) DON'T NEGLECT YOUR CORE COMPETENCY - which is desktop space. Yes, mobile is something you need to be involved in, but the desktop is not "dying" - far from it, in my opinion. I have been a Windows enthusiast for twenty years because no other computing system has offered me the power to customize my own system and exploit the tremendous range of software on Windows PCs, particularly at an affordable price point.
3) MOVING TOWARDS AN APPLE STORE/GOOGLE STORE MODEL HAS TO BE DONE RIGHT OR IT COULD HURT WHAT MAKES YOUR COMPANY WORK. I understand the desire to replicate the success of Apple and Google, but at the same time, I stay with Microsoft because it HAS BEEN AN OPEN PLATFORM for so long in exactly the way. I recently bought an iPhone on word of reputation and am really awfully disappointed in it - I wish I'd bought a Windows Phone instead, and much preferred my old Android to it as well, because the iPhone's supposed "ease of use" really isn't. My next phone will be a Windows Phone - but ONLY if the app marketplace for WinPhone takes its cues from the PC software market, and not the put-in-your-password-ten-times, everything-fun-costs-more-money Apple Store (Android's mobile marketplace is a far better model for you, in my opinion).
4) THE XBOX PROGRAM IS THE ONLY SUCCESSFUL INITIATIVE YOU UNDERTOOK IN THE 2000's THAT TRULY INNOVATED. Learn from it. My 360 is a tremendous entertainment solution and I love that I can even develop for it as well if I desire. And videogames and entertainment software ARE the reason that the PC came to dominate Apple in desktop space, once upon a time, following Jobs' disastrous decision to turn the Macintosh into a "business machine". I and millions of your other users chose Windows in the 1990's because we couldn't play Doom, X-Wing, and the other top computer games on a Mac - I own a 360 today because it's the most open console on the market, yet it's still tremendously powerful - and a dominance of entertainment space is something you should continue to seek, because children and teens play games - and that gets you the NEXT generation of users as well.
5) DON'T FORGET FIRST AND FOREMOST THAT COMPUTING SHOULD BE FUN. Develop and release a compelling suite of programs that let home users shoot videos with fun effects using Windows Phone - particle systems, chroma keys, stuff like that - as well as games, if you really want that market. Release commercials and videos showing what a Windows Phone CAN DO for the user, instead of just slick marketing campaigns relying on the current brand. Leverage DirectX, HLSL and XNA to the greatest extent you can to make sure your software always looks great.
6) EASE UP ON THE DRM. I understand you have obligations to your content providers, but I'm still running XP because that's the last version of Windows that gave me the ability to record what I hear from stream in the mixer, and as a DJ and musician, I need that. Heading back in the direction of XP for future releases of Windows would be a great idea, in my opinion - I still think it's the best version of Windows you've released.
Good luck. I still think Microsoft makes some of the best computing products on the market - but that's when you're being Microsoft, and not trying to be Apple or Google. It's why I stay with your products.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8e09d69beddfa73000004Bald like BallmerFri, 30 Nov 2012 11:36:45 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8e09d69beddfa73000004
Microsoft v1.0 of any product has always been a disaster. Some things never change. Also, Its really funny that a reduction in the 5 minute reboot time on a PC and making it faster than XP (what isn't?) are the main selling points. I'm sure all 8 apps in the apps store are cool too.
The main stream media cant just say that MS is a company that makes lousy products that most people don't want to buy. Thankfully all of their monopoly strategies have been overcome and the consumer has won this round.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8df67ecad04500800000eFree John CorzineFri, 30 Nov 2012 11:31:35 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8df67ecad04500800000e
Is anyone actually surprised by the findings in this report? The surface table is the worse possible solution that combines a revolutionary way of mobile computing (eg talet) with the 1980s style Microsoft model including a clicking keyboard. They have a lot of momentum from history and cash but the demise is in full motion.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8d7406bb3f7045e000003rupertoFri, 30 Nov 2012 10:56:48 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8d7406bb3f7045e000003
then they are really in trouble. because surface is a disasterhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8d543ecad04f670000012BillJBFri, 30 Nov 2012 10:48:19 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8d543ecad04f670000012
Really, I haven't seen such drivel written in a while. Win7 was the fastest selling piece of OS ever in the 1st 2 quarters, and went on to do over 350MM copies, that doesn't sound like failure to me. 40MM copies of W8 in 4 weeks, doesn't sound like failure either.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8d4eeecad043b75000001elosoFri, 30 Nov 2012 10:46:54 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8d4eeecad043b75000001
WOW way to cherry pick. The referenced material is about PC sales, not windows 8 sales. No mention of key points including that windows 8 is helping to re-establish the premium end of PC sales, that the data does not include Surface data...but hey why write quality articles when all you ahveto do is write troll bait headlineshttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8d4d469beddcb56000006mikej77Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:46:28 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8d4d469beddcb56000006
This is just my observation:
Businesses seem to keep their PCs forever.
The one at my Bank Branch is so slow I thought it was broken. The one in the manager's office was so slow I thought he had slipped into a coma.
How can you sell really new systems to such people and how do you work in such an antiquated environment?
We need people to toss all that 3 year old junk. It does not matter that it still works.
I would like an iMac 32 or 36.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8d383eab8eacc29000010BillJBFri, 30 Nov 2012 10:40:51 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8d383eab8eacc29000010
Is 40MM+ W8 License sales in 4 weeks a troubling sign ?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8d0d76bb3f7d252000005Captain ObviousFri, 30 Nov 2012 10:29:27 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8d0d76bb3f7d252000005
Wow! Never saw this coming! HA!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8d01f6bb3f7405000000cmicrosoft's dilemmaFri, 30 Nov 2012 10:26:23 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8d01f6bb3f7405000000c
Microsoft is in a dangerous position. If you look at their financial information you'll see that there are only three areas where Microsoft makes money. They are: windows, office, and enterprise software.
The problem for Microsoft is that both the office and the enterprise divisions depend heavily on the server business to drive demand. In the past, the interconnectedness between these three divisions was a huge advantage. Microsoft's dominance of the PC market gave them an almost unbeatable advantage when it came to things like office productivity software. However, there was a hidden downside.
The downside for every monopoly, is that it makes a company lazy. It rots away at their competitiveness by driving away innovation. The well known term for this is the "innovator's dilemma". It has been theorized that it is this process of degradation from within that ultimately leads to once dominate monopolies to utterly implode once a given market changes irreparably due to a technology advancement.
This is the situation that Microsoft now finds itself in. This is not just about the Windows operating system. This is not just about PCs vs mobile devices. What is at stake here is Microsoft's entire triumvirate of servers, office, and enterprise software.
The rise of mobile devices truly could lead to the death of Microsoft.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8cf28eab8ea1f1c000023DeRoestFri, 30 Nov 2012 10:22:16 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8cf28eab8ea1f1c000023
Henry, they've already lost the corporate. The iPad wasn't yesterday, it was nearly 3 years ago. Corporates have long since started buying iPads in bulk, eg Barclays last week for 8,000 units.
Microsoft is the new Kodak.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8ce3d69beddab46000001ilaFri, 30 Nov 2012 10:18:21 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8ce3d69beddab46000001
Apple has no touchscreen laptops. If you want to touch something, they will suggest an iPad mini for $329 to go with your $999 MacBook Air.
Touchscreens are really expensive. Touchscreens with a fine enough dot pitch to use at comfortable arm's length are even more expensive. Throw in a SSD, and you get, in the best case scenario, the Surface Pro for $1029.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8cd236bb3f7ce4700001fwpkingFri, 30 Nov 2012 10:13:39 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8cd236bb3f7ce4700001f
Ever heard of the enterprise market? It is their bread and butter these days. And their offerings are changing and are new ones, you either give it a chance or not. Holding on to old misconceptions is your choice, but they have the money and time to keep at it. I believe their offerings will also be more popular outside of the US.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8ccc9ecad042a61000010ilaFri, 30 Nov 2012 10:12:09 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8ccc9ecad042a61000010
Microsoft knew it needed to crack into the slate market. The big drop in PC sales YoY, I think, demonstrates this quite clearly. For slates, I think the new UI paradigm is great. IE10 is also a great browser. Their app store suffers mainly from not having enough well known games, since this, web browsing, email, and e-reading are what most people use tablets for. The store has apps for everything else now (though the communication suite of apps still needs work), but they need to get more of the most popular games on board. I think many others will argue that they also need an RT tablet with a mobile broadband radio. Personally, I find that paying $50/month for a mobile connection for the 10% of your day during which you are not in range of a WiFi hotspot is patently ridiculous, but if that's what many people want to use their money for, then MSFT needs an RT tablet that can do this.
Their biggest hurdle, though, is that 99% of consumers think that if a device is a tablet, that implies that it runs either Android or iOS, meaning Windows cannot run a tablet because it is neither Android nor iOS. This will require a huge, huge, huge marketing effort on their part. If it is going to work, it will probably take at least a year, especially with so many competing devices on the market. The windows RT slates out now are very premium (for tablets), and they have to go head to head with the Nexus 10, which is sold at the cost of production in the hope of getting revenues from web search and the Play store, and the iPad. There is a lot of potential here, and there are clearly some profits to be made in low-power consumer computing. If they want a cut, they're in for a lot more work they are in for a lot more work to convince consumers that Microsoft can also run a tablet, too.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8cc4c6bb3f74a45000017wpkingFri, 30 Nov 2012 10:10:04 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8cc4c6bb3f74a45000017
OCD much?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8cb586bb3f74345000012wpkingFri, 30 Nov 2012 10:06:00 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8cb586bb3f74345000012
Don't get me wrong they have ground to make up with consumers, but I think for the most part their offerings are the best they have ever been and so those that give them a chance will find their ecosystem solutions nice and having all these products come together finally after many years of being very separate. Its your choice to give it a try or not. I lost my job at the Verizon store, so I am now on unemployment, thanks buddy for picking up the tab, its nice waking up at any hour and having nothing on my plate to do every day. Going to buy a big screen tv today!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8ca0c69bedddf34000018AlbertoFri, 30 Nov 2012 10:00:28 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8ca0c69bedddf34000018
I rushed to buy a new PC before Windows 8 was out because windows 7 is fantastic, but it'll end up picking up speed, it's not like there's an alternative for most uses.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c9f3eab8ea1516000013Cold BootFri, 30 Nov 2012 10:00:03 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c9f3eab8ea1516000013
Windows Ate my CEOhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c86becad043456000012freddy beeFri, 30 Nov 2012 09:53:31 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c86becad043456000012
+1http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c82569beddfa3400000bfreddy beeFri, 30 Nov 2012 09:52:21 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c82569beddfa3400000b
I think we can dismiss the Surface. Had MSFT come out with a device for 300 that included office - they'd sell a pile, and would be an overnight player via their angle through business.. given what the pricing looks like, and the reception of the Win 8 UI, I think we can assume that Surface will be a non-starter until the approach here changes...
Just my gut feel on this... I think MSFT missed badly with the Windows experience. I use it every day, and every day, it under-delivers.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c79b69beddff31000022kositla-orngsriFri, 30 Nov 2012 09:50:03 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c79b69beddff31000022
สําหรับในประเทศไทยแล้วwindows8ยังมีผู้ใช้น้อยมากเพราะระบบและการใช้งานต่างกับwindows7มากส่วนใหญ่แล้วนิยมwindows7ใช้งานง่ายกว่าhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c6baeab8ea4b0b000013Lipstick on PigFri, 30 Nov 2012 09:46:18 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c6baeab8ea4b0b000013
Check your grammer "bro" it should read "People are making this out like there ARE going to be people lining up for this..."
The last time anyone was excited for a pc os was Windows 95...17 years agohttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c64969bedd832f000009arcana112Fri, 30 Nov 2012 09:44:25 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c64969bedd832f000009
"IMac anyone?"
Sorry, no.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c644ecad04785800000fLipstick on PigFri, 30 Nov 2012 09:44:20 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c644ecad04785800000f
Honestly I think it's time to admit that Microsoft is yesterdays news. Their best option is to pivot just like IBM, into an enterprise services company. They are not a consumer facing brand anymore with the exception of the Xbox. WP will never gain the traction it needs to be more than a niche player in the market. Leave it to Microsoft to create a tablet(surface) that you need to use at a desk! Get back to work wpking - I'm sure there is someone that needs help in the Verizon store that you work at!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c5faeab8eaed08000022arcana112Fri, 30 Nov 2012 09:43:06 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c5faeab8eaed08000022
If I had a penny for each "horrible" news you guys invented for MSFT I would be richer than Gates.
Thumbs up if you agree, thumbs down if you think that BI is full of ****.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c4586bb3f7ad3a000005Sammy the Walrus IVFri, 30 Nov 2012 09:36:08 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c4586bb3f7ad3a000005
Couldn't help myself.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c41deab8eabb05000016Scott KrukowskiFri, 30 Nov 2012 09:35:09 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c41deab8eabb05000016
If you owned a company earning $70 Billion in annual revenues, would you shut it down?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c4166bb3f7a53a000003Jeff Matthews Snarky TurdFri, 30 Nov 2012 09:35:02 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c4166bb3f7a53a000003
I am one of the few who was actually waiting to upgrade my PCs to new Win 8 machines. When I tried to do that at HP and Dell, I was stunned to find out that it is very difficult to even find a PC that is both touch and instant-on. I could do it for about $2-$3 grand which seems borderline insane. Or I could spend $1400 on a PC that is either SSD or touch but not both--an obsolete machine out of the box. Ultrabooks are an exception.
Touch and instant-on are great reasons to upgrade and Win 8 is way faster than XP particularly an ancient PC running XP. But ...hard to get.
MSFT and/or its hardware partners blew the launch. Maybe they can get their act together by the second quarter, but right now this is all good for AAPL. IMac anyone?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c3f369bedd742c000003sweetdougFri, 30 Nov 2012 09:34:27 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c3f369bedd742c000003
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I think a really good place to start as a journalist, would be, or heck, the people at Microsoft, is to find out "Why?"
Is nice to know that it is, but why, people.
Jus' a suggestion.
Might want to find out who's beating them, and of course, "Why".
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V-Vhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c3996bb3f7463600000fScott KrukowskiFri, 30 Nov 2012 09:32:57 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c3996bb3f7463600000f
Who are the MBA's your referring to?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c395ecad04c84f000018Sigvard AlarconFri, 30 Nov 2012 09:32:53 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c395ecad04c84f000018
You were next on my list! But I'm glad you requested Pundit status.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c349ecad04c84f000010bingul iyerFri, 30 Nov 2012 09:31:37 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c349ecad04c84f000010
Except for Ballmer, the whole world is perfectly happy with APPLE and GOOGLE. It is high time, the shareholders should oust BALLMER for his CONSISTENT DISMAL PERFORMANCE.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c33269beddf22600001eSammy the Walrus IVFri, 30 Nov 2012 09:31:14 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c33269beddf22600001e
I'm sure Windows 9 will turn things around.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c15669bedd3b1e00000amrclio44Fri, 30 Nov 2012 09:23:18 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c15669bedd3b1e00000a
haha, the nerd rage over the shortcomings of Windows 8 and Surface were constant since day 1 of the preview release.
No one to blame but Sinofsky and Ballmer.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c11e6bb3f70b36000002MikeDFri, 30 Nov 2012 09:22:22 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c11e6bb3f70b36000002
I don't thinks any of this is surprising or too big of a concern for MSFT. If the Surface that comes out next year doesn't sell well, however, then they are in trouble.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c11869beddd626000001HeavyhandedFri, 30 Nov 2012 09:22:16 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c11869beddd626000001
Do your writes own stock in Apple? It seems that they always write "glass half full" thinking with regard to anything microsoft. Just look at your headlines. Sheesh!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c1116bb3f7df31000016chrisl v2.0Fri, 30 Nov 2012 09:22:09 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c1116bb3f7df31000016
This is what happens when you let a bunch of MBAs run a tech company.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c0deeab8ea0e03000002PissclamsFri, 30 Nov 2012 09:21:18 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8c0deeab8ea0e03000002
Shut down already! Microsoft's 15 mins of fame are long over! It's been nothing but abject failure for years now. The Zune? I could go on and on. Keep the Xbox and do like the Japanese when they fail miserably. Take the honorable way out - especially Balmer. A more incompetent buffoon has never had the audacity to serve as a CEO with a straight face. He's a joke that's just not funny. Where is the board over there? He should have been ousted years ago!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8beeceab8ea7177000014wpkingFri, 30 Nov 2012 09:13:00 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8beeceab8ea7177000014
Give it some time. People are making this out like there is going to be people lining up for this like they do at the Apple store. I think the last time we saw any huge excitement in the PC OS business was back when Windows 98 was released.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8bde7ecad040849000001wpkingFri, 30 Nov 2012 09:08:39 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8bde7ecad040849000001
Not too much time left for you. Windows 7 adds much needed security measures to the OS. XP is over 10 years old and is not recommended to be used much anymore. I still have it deployed, but I have extensive lock down on them so there is little risk from those XP machines.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8bd126bb3f78e2d000001Henry BlodgetFri, 30 Nov 2012 09:05:06 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8bd126bb3f78e2d000001
Microsoft really is in a tough spot.
Another key data point will be corporate purchases of the Surface. That's Microsoft's beachhead. If they lose that, then they really are in trouble.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8bb486bb3f7c62400002bSammy SinFri, 30 Nov 2012 08:57:28 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8bb486bb3f7c62400002b
I'm quite happy with my Windows XP. I will continue to use it until MS stops supporting it. I use Windows 7 on my laptop which is also good, but no better than XP. Microsoft made huge mistakes in their releases of Windows 2000, Vista and other similar nonsense. Many suspect Windows 8 is also a piece of junk. People are now suspicious of any so called "improvements" from them. If pressed to do so, I will migrate to Linux, since Mac is also a pile of overhyped rubbish.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8ba6a69beddf50c000029TimmyCFri, 30 Nov 2012 08:53:46 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8ba6a69beddf50c000029
Called it...
... for Windows 8 the moment I learned that Metro will be the mandatory interface.
... for Surface, both RT and Pro when they were first announced
Microsoft has overreached and they're about to pay.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8b9846bb3f7d324000012Frank CastleFri, 30 Nov 2012 08:49:56 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8b9846bb3f7d324000012
Umm are you missing the growth and sales for Windows 7? Windows 8 is ME/Vista. A gap OS to introduce new features and UI (which is failing).
Microsoft is all about the back end server solutions (Exchange, SharePoint, Server, Lync etc) These are the core of everything and are used in almost every business. The majority of corporations are just starting to move of Windows XP to Windows 7, so it will be 2-3 years before they are ready for something new. Likely it won't be Windows 8.
Unlike Apple, Microsoft doesn't sunset their OS and force people to buy new hardware to run it. If they did and Windows 8 was the lone OS I'd agree but it's really not critical it gets widely adopted.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8b91ceab8ea816d00000edavid emFri, 30 Nov 2012 08:48:12 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8b91ceab8ea816d00000e
I know reps who work for MSFT - they get huge growth numbers... if they miss badly, they're fired. and yet, Ballmer has missed on phones, tablets, the stock has gone nowhere, and now Vista and Windows 8 are 2 of the last 3 OS releases... and yet - he still has a job. I find that the most amazing thing here...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8b8f9eab8ea086d000011Jack ForstFri, 30 Nov 2012 08:47:37 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50b8b8f9eab8ea086d000011
nonesistent?