#31: Re: Question about records Author: tjbrn, Location: North CarolinaPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 11:10 am ----I reviewed the microfilm from San Giuseppe this week at my local FHC. Alas, I discovered nothing new. I do have two images that pertain to my research and would appreciate help translating the contents.

#33: Re: Question about records Author: tjbrn, Location: North CarolinaPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:27 pm ----Luca,
Sorry, I was outside working since it is a glorious day here. I tried the links and they both work fine for me. Let me know and I'll upload the images again.

On the right column it is said that Salvatore was christened on the day 7
Pag 2
Lo stesso ha inoltre dichiarato di dare al bambino il nome di Salvatore

Luca

The year 1860 the day 7 of the month of November at the hour of 23
(NOTE: the calculation of the hour was different to that which we use today).
Before me Benedetto Gioé President (?) of the Comune and Officer of the State Register of the Comune of Belmonte, District of Palermo, Province of Palermo appeared Gaetano Monte 22 years of age, by profession a peasant, living in Belmonte, who presented to me a child... and he declared the the same child was born to Teresa Santangelo his wife 28 years of age, living in Belmonte, and the said declarer... on the 6th day od November, in the current year at the hour of 19, in the house owned and inhabited by the couple Monte and Santangelo

The same also declared that he had given the child the name of Salvatore

#37: Re: Question about records Author: Luca, Location: Terni - ItalyPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:29 am ----I can't say. I think it was a bit different also from place to place. Here is a link about this question (but I think it don't solve):en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12-hour_clock
or this one about "ora canonica" (sorry: it's in Italian)www.mesturini.com/tipologie.htm

Ciao
Luca

#38: Re: Question about records Author: tjbrn, Location: North CarolinaPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:01 am ----Thanks Luca. An extract that I received from the same document lists the birth year as 1863 which I could see was clearly not what was written in the images of the document I uploaded. Time is an interesting and perplexing subject that is perhaps as much a matter of interpretation as it is precise measurement. Einstein's Clocks, Poincare's Maps - Empires of Time is an engaging book about time by Peter Galison; unfortunately, it is in English.

#44: Re: Question about records Author: tjbrn, Location: North CarolinaPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:40 pm ----Given enough time I can figure out the easy stuff but I wouldn't dare attempt to respond in Italian in writing or in speech. When we were in Italy in 1990 I was mistaken for a native Italian everywhere we went despite being over 6 ft tall. In Rome a woman complained to me at one of the churches we were visiting. The church was closed and the woman was frantically demanding to know why the church was closed. In Firenze I was perusing books on the Piazza di Michelangelo when the vendor shouted to me "Inglese! Inglese!" I may have spoiled the moment when I turned to him and said, "I know, I know", in English. We ducked into a little place in Milan to get out of the cold and to savor a cappuccino. My wife waited at the bar [not Luca's bar, a marble one in the shop] while I got in line to get waited on. When I ordered in my weak American restaurant Italian the lady looked at me sternly and said "due cappuccini, cappuccini" She waited until I repeated "due cappuccini" before she took my money and gave me our cappuccini I am certain she realized I was a foreigner and not a native speaker with poor language skills. Each time I think about that incident I can't help smiling.

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#45: Re: Question about records Author: tjbrn, Location: North CarolinaPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:47 pm ----And Carole, there is a great YouTube video about how Italians tell time but it may not pass mustard in this forum, although it really isn't foul or anything like that.