Tuesday, November 27, 2018

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun".

Not so fast there, NRA. That saying only applies if the "good guy with a gun" happens to be of the white variety.

How else do you explain two recent high profile incidents where the good guys with guns actually lost there lives because they had guns and were trying to be good guys? I always said that if you want to do away with the NRA and America's obsession with guns, have law abiding black folks start embracing the Second Amendment and carry their firearms around like some of these good ole boys like to do. America would decide very quickly that having too many guns around is a bad thing. Think of the Black Panthers back in the day. That's when conservative white folks were all for good control.

So back to those two incidents. In Illinois a black security guard was a good guy with a gun who had disarmed and subdued drunk bar patrons. The drunk bar patrons had opened fire with their firearms in a bar. Unfortunately for him, though, he was the wrong color to be "the good guy with a gun" and it cost him his life. Two Chicago police officers came on the scene and shot the security guard to death.

"He had somebody on the ground with his knee in his back, with his gun in his back like, 'Don’t move,'" witness Adam Harris told WGNTV.

But an officer responding to the scene fired at Roberson and killed him.

"Everybody was screaming out 'Security!' He was a security guard," Harris said.

The Midlothian police department confirmed to The Hill that two of its officers responded to the shooting and one opened fire.

"Upon arrival Officers learned there were several gunshot victims inside the bar. A Midlothian Officer encountered a subject with a gun and was involved in an Officer involved shooting. The subject the Officer shot was later pronounced deceased at an area hospital," Chief Daniel Delaney the Midlothian Police Department said in a statement.

Delaney added an investigation into the shooting of the security guard is now taking place.

Translated: The officer will be put on paid desk duty to cool his heels until the outrage dies down.

The second incident of a "good guy with a gun------ who happens to be the wrong color, took place recently in Alabama.

I must confess that when I first heard the story I thought to myself that the victim, Emantic Bradford, Jr., was carrying an illegal fire arm and maybe the shooting by the officer was justified. Now, as it turns out, he had a permit to carry his fire arm and he was a veteran who served his country. From all accounts he was playing peacemaker and was trying to apprehend the shooter, when police mistook him for the original shooter.

A lot of people are speculating about what happened, but there is actually a video tape of the incident that the police have so far yet to release to the public, which I am sure would clear up a lot of the speculation.

"An Alabama city and its police department publicly expressed condolences Monday to the family of a black man fatally shot by an officer in the chaotic moments after a prior shooting at a crowded mall on Thanksgiving night.

But a statement issued by officials in Hoover, 10 miles south of Birmingham, placed some of the responsibility on Emantic "EJ" Bradford Jr., who was killed by an officer working private security at the sprawling, two-story Riverchase Galleria.

The statement said Bradford, 21, was shot during Hoover police's efforts to secure the scene after the initial shooting, which wounded an 18-year-old man and a 12-year-old girl. A manhunt for at least one shooter continued Monday.

"We can say with certainty Mr. Bradford brandished a gun during the seconds following the gunshots, which instantly heightened the sense of threat to approaching police officers responding to the chaotic scene," the statement said.

Police clarified that "brandished" meant Bradford was holding a gun.

'We are deeply and sincerely sympathetic to Mr. Bradford's grieving family and all of those affected by this incident," the statement said. "We all want answers, and we believe that with patience and focus the truth will be firmly established.'

In the hours after the shooting, Hoover police lauded the "heroic" officer for taking down a suspect. Several hours later, police walked the story back, saying Bradford was not the initial shooter."

"Suspect"! That's what they call a "good guy with a gun" who happens to be the wrong color these days.

81 comments:

They first announced that they had killed the shooter and only later admitted their mistake and THAT THE ACTUAL SHOOTER WAS STILL AT LARGE. Trying to solve problems with guns is always dangerous and often really dumb.

Meanwhile, there have been 33 shot and killed in Chicago alone just this month (41 total homicides). There are excellent odds that not one perp was unmixed western European; it's certain that a landslide majority were black.

The odds are so heavily biased that any black with a gun is almost certain to be a bad guy. This sucks for the good black guys with guns out there, but when your race has such a disproportionate share of total criminality there's nothing you can do about it.

Well, there's one thing you can do: don't ever let that gun be seen. Maybe don't own one, period. It's for your own good.

Meanwhile, there have been 33 shot and killed in Chicago alone just this month (41 total homicides). There are excellent odds that not one perp was unmixed western European; it's certain that a landslide majority were black.---------Meanwhile white men continue to shoot babies and elderly people in schools, churches and movie theaters. Let's not forget the Las Vegas shooting which killed dozens at one fucking time. Black men did not shoot up a church, school, concert or movie. Your comment is as stupid as you are.

Why the heck are black people so crass and vulgar? I was walking down the street in the vicinity of some black folk and the words coming out of their mouths were enough to make a sailor blush. It was so darn depressing hearing such foul language. And of course your rap music glorifies vulgarity. Gosh, I just don't get you people.

Hold up. Police killing black people and all these idiots talk about vulgar language. Cowards! Who GAF about language when people are dying. "Oh pardon me sir, can you please politely not shoot sir. I'm a licensed firearm card holder. It would be to my benefit that you don't kill me sir."

"The odds are so heavily biased that any black with a gun is almost certain to be a bad guy. This sucks for the good black guys with guns out there, but when your race has such a disproportionate share of total criminality there's nothing you can do about it."

This is the world's dumbest argument, based on mathematical illiteracy, but a lot of racism depends on it.

It is true that in Chicago, most of the violent crime is committed by black people. But it is not remotely true the other way around -- most black people in Chicago are NOT engaged in violent crime.

Racists focus on the disparity: OH DEAR GOD BLACK PEOPLE COMMIT MURDER AT SIX TIMES THE RATE OF WHITE PEOPLE! But just look into the details of these rates (these are just example numbers, not perfectly accurate statistics):

Imagine that 0.003% of white people commit a murder in a given year. This would mean that six times that many, or 0.018% of black people commit a murder in a given year. Six times a really small number ... is still a really fucking small number.

So to express it differently, 99.997% of white people and 99.982% of black people DO NOT commit a murder in a given year. How does that translate into "shoot all black people just in case, cuz they're dangerous"?

I'm a 6'1 Chinese-American and find black hypocrisy appalling. Yes, too many shitty white people have boners for their guns, but so do many black hood rats. How many shootings happen in your ghettos and not a word from all the supposedly intelligent field negroes and "woke" blacks? Crickets.

Yeah, a Republican won in fucking Mississippi, it's a Fergus-fueled miracle. In reality, though, the swing toward the Democrat from the 2016 outcome should be worrying to any Republicans who can still think, which would be what? All three of them?

I'm a 7'1 Japanese-American and find white hypocrisy appalling. Too many shitty white people have boners for their guns. How many mass shootings happen and not a word from all the supposedly intelligent caucasions and gun safety organizations like the NRA? Crickets.

"WHY DON'T YOU EVER POST THE BIG PICTURE? Or is this still about Obama's being from Chicago?"

It was about Obama being from Chicago. Now it's about black people living in Chicago.

Fox News and other wingnut outlets keep this at the nudge-nudge-wink-wink level. The trolls on this blog, on the other hand, are open about their racism. It's completely obvious why they keep falsely implying that Chicago is the epicenter of crime in America.

It is true that in Chicago, most of the violent crime is committed by black people. But it is not remotely true the other way around -- most black people in Chicago are NOT engaged in violent crime.

But the subject wasn't all the black people in Chicago. The subject was the very narrow subset of black people waving guns around in public. Almost every last one of them IS engaged in violent crime or rampant and likely dangerous stupidity. Faced with a black with a gun, your chances of having a legal CCW holder in front of you is quite small (and that CCW is no guarantee against both stupid and criminal conduct).

Racists focus on the disparity: OH DEAR GOD BLACK PEOPLE COMMIT MURDER AT SIX TIMES THE RATE OF WHITE PEOPLE!

The inter-racial statistics show that blacks are 27 times as likely to murder whites as the reverse.

Black people HAVE to accept the violence of black people. That's nature. The problem is when black people demand that OTHERS accept their grossly disproportionate violence. That's blaming the victim. Calling it "racism" is why the word is rapidly becoming a laugh-track cue.

"Keep thinking that and you'll get it wrong every time. Avoiding people who cause or attract trouble isn't bigotry, it's good sense. If you call good judgement "hatred" the problem is YOU."****************************Avoiding all people of some group because one or some of them gave you trouble is irrational, not good sense. There is no way to rationalize bigotry.

When a leftist accuses you of rigging elections... it means they're rigging elections.

A deal like that would not be hard for you crooked wingnuts to come up with because you believe all people of color are dumber than you. You probably drew it up on the back of your personalized check, didn't you, stoopid whitey?

"The inter-racial statistics show that blacks are 27 times as likely to murder whites as the reverse."*************************Ia think your statistics are a little off. I think the correct number is six times, however, even you must admit that most Black gun violence is gang violence. The solutions lie within the communities where this occurs. There are many programs that are designed to address this issue in Chicago and other cities.

"Avoiding all people of some group because one or some of them gave you trouble is irrational, not good sense."

Avoiding people more likely to cause you trouble than others is called "common sense". Learning from the bad experiences of others is called "wisdom". Claiming that there is no difference in risk factors in dealing with people of different races isn't merely irrational, it's insane.

"Anyone who thinks that there's no voter fraud in the USA needs to take a look at this nomination petition page for Dorothy Brown in Chicago which has the same handwriting for Every. Single. Entry."

That's not voter fraud. That's improper petition signature, totally different animal and has been going on since time began for candidates of all parties. Show me how this leads to VOTING fraud. I'll wait.

Avoiding people more likely to cause you trouble than others is called "common sense". Learning from the bad experiences of others is called "wisdom". Claiming that there is no difference in risk factors in dealing with people of different races isn't merely irrational, it's insane.--------So you should avoid white males. Ask the survivors of Sandy Hook, Las Vegas, Pulse Nightclub, Sutherland Springs, Charleston, Aurora........white males need to be avoided at all costs.

Ia think your statistics are a little off. I think the correct number is six times

I'll explain this, because you have the math ability of about a fifth-grader. There are about six times as many black-on-white murders as the reverse. HOWEVER, to get per-capita rates you have to multiply by the ratio of population sizes. This number comes out about 27:1.

even you must admit that most Black gun violence is gang violence.

I will start caring about black gang violence when black people stand up and DEMAND the measures which actually reduce it. Stop-and-frisk is one such measure. So's "Project Exile", sending gang gun offenders to far-away federal prisons.

The solutions lie within the communities where this occurs. There are many programs that are designed to address this issue in Chicago and other cities.

If blacks actually cared about black violence, they'd push to put all the gang members in prison and KEEP them there, so that they couldn't do any more harm and couldn't recruit new members. Instead, they whine "too many black men in prison". Blacks prove that racial resentment against whites is more important to them than black lives. White people have gotten the message.

a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.

Who's the one who's utterly intolerant of any differing belief from hers, and refuses to consider evidence that proves it wrong?"******************************So racist bigotry is now classified as a creed or belief system in your world?

I am proud of being intolerant of racism and bigotry. And BTW, you have not provided one shred of evidence that justifies denigrating a an entire group of people because of the behavior of a small percentage of them.

My extended family and my friends are a mixture of Blacks, Whites, Asians, and Latinos. So I know that what you peddle bull shit. Have a nice day.

"So racist bigotry is now classified as a creed or belief system in your world?"

First, you are contradicting the definition of "bigotry". Factual truth cannot be bigoted, period.

Second, "racism" as defined by the left (meaning you) is meaningless, except only white people can ever have it. Supposedly it's "power plus prejudice", but despite the numerous proofs of power that black people have shown by e.g. getting non-blacks fired, it is still claimed that they cannot be racist.

By the defintion of "racial prejudice and/or hatred", blacks are THE most racist people in the USA.

"I am proud of being intolerant of racism and bigotry."

I am proud of being intolerant of threats to myself, my family and my people. Those threats include traitors like you.

"you have not provided one shred of evidence that justifies denigrating a an entire group of people because of the behavior of a small percentage of them."

When 25% of black men cannot vote because they have felony records, it is anything BUT a "small percentage". When civilization turns to literal ruins wherever black people dominate, it's ALL their behavior that's at fault.

Your position on everything comes down to the IKAGO (I Know A Good One) fallacy. Overall statistics prove that this country is going to hell because of people like you, and if something is not done it will wind up as Brasil Norte. But you'll be safely dead by then, no matter how many people come to show their contempt for you by using your grave as a toilet. I'm sure there will be many who do.

Well, there was the Iraq war, and the conquest and theft of North and South America, but avoiding all of them at all costs is just the same binary thinking that may be sometimes useful in mental organization but fails spectacularly when used as a substitute for actual judgement in the real world.

How about "If you see a bunch of them headed in your direction, it might be safer to hide until they have passed, especially if they are all dressed similarly and/or are wearing matching hats.

Depends entirely on the chld. If you are talking about the orange imbecile 2 year old in the kremlin annex, don't waste yer time trying to explain anything to him. His gut was Einstein before Einstein was.

“A man accused of sexually assaulting a 15-year-old girl unsuccessfully argued that he should not be charged with taking advantage of a child because she was actually 16 under a Kansas law that says life begins at fertilization.”

Anonymous said... "Second, "racism" as defined by the left (meaning you) is meaningless, except only white people can ever have it. Supposedly it's "power plus prejudice", but despite the numerous proofs of power that black people have shown by e.g. getting non-blacks fired, it is still claimed that they cannot be racist." *************I would appreciate it if you stopped trying to put words in my mouth and attributing to me things that I do not believe. I did not say that black people can never be racists. Where did that come from? Out of your ass maybe?

"By the definition of "racial prejudice and/or hatred", blacks are THE most racist people in the USA." ******************What evidence do you have that supports this claim? I sure don't see any in your post.

"I am proud of being intolerant of racism and bigotry." *****************You are not intolerant of racism and bigotry because you practice both.

"I am proud of being intolerant of threats to myself, my family and my people. Those threats include traitors like you." ***°************So anyone who doesn't agree with your mental outlook is a traitor and a threat? By refusing to judge all people in a group by the behavior of some in that group, I am a traitor and a threat to you? You are fucking crazy, man.

"The alt left will cause under any pretext to disarm the citizens of the USA. For what purpose....do you want a bar code on your arm??"

There is no "alt-left" you moron, there is an "alt-right" because they fucking call themselves that. Personally, I prefer to call them "Pig People" or "Nazis", depending on which they are the most inclined toward.

And you are believing your own bullshit again about guns. I have plenty of them and so do all of my liberal friends, and none of us are giving them up any time soon.

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