So, are you telling me that Norway and Switzerland will be each contributing £13 billion to the bailout? If so, please show me where I can find that
information.

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I am simply showing that Norway et all are deeply involved in Europe even though the general MISSconception is that they are not part of Europe.

You addressed your post to me and asked me to stop spreading incorrect information, when in fact I have never said Norway and Switzerland have no
agreements with Europe. But they are not member states.

I am assuming from your answer that you are confirming that I am correct that neither Norway or Switzerland will be required to pay £13 billion in
bail out.

I am aware that there will be penalties for leaving Europe. As I said earlier, the option of stying in EU is infinitely worse. The EU should be
dismantled completely. If the people knew its real purpse, which is to reduce the people to poverty and serfdom and total dependence on a despotic
banker controlled central government, they would ALL be out in the streets rioting.

Wake up, this is a much, much worse system of mass serfdom in the making, no matter what Common Purppose brainwashing says.

Ok, so what your saying is that because i have never worked with or along side the police my opinions are wrong, it was a peaceful demonstration at
the start, if someone with high rank would have come outside and talked to the leaders of the demonstration instead of turning a blind eye, things may
have been different, you can not say they wouldn't because we will never know now. The man who got shot was involved in gangster games carrying guns
around, i have no time for him at all, but the gun was in a sock it was not on show and a trigger happy police officer shot him dead, then they made
lies up trying to cover up what had happened, its this sort of behaviour that leaves me feeling unsure about police being given more powers, you said
you have been in the police, if it was recently what percentage of the people you worked along side made you feel they were or they would over use's
the powers they have over normal civilians, be truthful.

All sounds a bit childish to me, surely your energy would be better spent debating the economic systems in an adult manner rather than conjuring up
crackpot schemes to test the policing strategies of the UK?

But inciting riots on ATS will land you in problems if the Met get a wiff off it.

How about we test that theory? I am game, are you?

You want to incite riots on ATS, go ahead. Your points are becoming ridiculous. If enough people were aware of the truth, they would riot. But
they're not....yet. You just have to look at the outrage at the recent riots compared to the passive acceptance of being given billions of
illegal debt to pay. Hardly a peep.

Rioting is not the best solution anyway, imo. Massive civil disobedience, imo, is the most effective solution. BUT any effective action needs an
aware public, and of course the MSM has done a great job in decimating that.

It's at a grassroots level that people need to share information and make others aware. People will become more receptive as the boot of facism is
felt by more and more people.

The outlook isn't good, but I will never stop trying to make people aware of what is really going on.

But inciting riots on ATS will land you in problems if the Met get a wiff off it.

How about we test that theory? I am game, are you?

You want to incite riots on ATS, go ahead. Your points are becoming ridiculous. If enough people were aware of the truth, they would riot. But
they're not....yet. You just have to look at the outrage at the recent riots compared to the passive acceptance of being given billions of illegal
debt to pay. Hardly a peep.

Rioting is not the best solution anyway, imo. Massive civil disobedience, imo, is the most effective solution. BUT any effective action needs an
aware public, and of course the MSM has done a great job in decimating that.

It's at a grassroots level that people need to share information and make others aware. People will become more receptive as the boot of facism is
felt by more and more people.

The outlook isn't good, but I will never stop trying to make people aware of what is really going on.

I am all for spreading awareness, but I see a lot of Missconceptions and FUD on ATS.

I want people to spread the full facts, not one sided or distorted or made up things as fact.

Rioting does not solve things, it just gives justication to the governmetn to do what they want.

The most power a person has over anybody, is having nothing to do with them, you can see that in daily life, when somebody is being an idiot, aruging,
just walk away, instead of getting into an arugment which they want., Europe has the same power, they simply have nothing to do with a country,
countries fear being outside looking in.

However, my reference to the Met was more send them an anonymous mail highlighting ATS as a source of malcontent against the UK and possibility of
inciting riots lol. They would be monitoring it and given that ATS is a LLC company in America (Limited liability as in the UK), they would get a
call and also has to follow laws as company entities do.

The only way Europe possibly might survive as a 'unified' trading block is either one or all ofthe following..

A 'Dual' Euro currency.... two tiers to allow a certain flexibility between trading areas.(oops.i mean countries.)
A single unified language - english is sort of there but the French keep insisting on theirs as well... oh la la...
A standardisation of benefits across nations....(no more early retirement in Greece at 50 or France at 55)
A standardised military complex / armed service.

I could go on but REALLY is there any point ??

Do you honestly and genuinely think that these ''unifiying'' suggestions will happen.......hhhmmm probably not !!

What we will have in our lifetime is a load of OVER paid beaurecrat's spending money like it's water and taking the FULL benefits themelves in
salaries, expenses and generally a nice life try to create a non starter........

Your Mrs Merkel knows this BUT she is being carried along on the wave of false optomism and 'hope' when in reality we should all ''re-boot' and
start again.........

I does annoy me that some Southern European countries seem happy to carry on and accept that they are Correct....Greeks hardly pay taxes, avoid every
responsibility that others take on board and then they complain when asked for their fair dues !!! it's pathetic....

The Euro and Monetary Union is an idea floated by a certain bloke in the late 30's and 40's and that was fortuynately Stopped ..thank god....!!

The modern day Euro politicains want the same thing BUT it will never happen in our lifetime UNLESS they all stop sucking on the Teat that is their
good living currently....

PS - I to approve of the Star Trek Ideology............. Question to you is how do we encourage China, India, Brasil etc etc to accept the
same.............When the God of money is stopped then yes, there is a chance of a ''perfect world'' BUT again do you honestly see that happening
??

The only way Europe possibly might survive as a 'unified' trading block is either one or all ofthe following..

A 'Dual' Euro currency.... two tiers to allow a certain flexibility between trading areas.(oops.i mean countries.)
A single unified language - english is sort of there but the French keep insisting on theirs as well... oh la la...
A standardisation of benefits across nations....(no more early retirement in Greece at 50 or France at 55)
A standardised military complex / armed service.

I could go on but REALLY is there any point ??

Do you honestly and genuinely think that these ''unifiying'' suggestions will happen.......hhhmmm probably not !!

What we will have in our lifetime is a load of OVER paid beaurecrat's spending money like it's water and taking the FULL benefits themelves in
salaries, expenses and generally a nice life try to create a non starter........

Your Mrs Merkel knows this BUT she is being carried along on the wave of false optomism and 'hope' when in reality we should all ''re-boot' and
start again.........

I does annoy me that some Southern European countries seem happy to carry on and accept that they are Correct....Greeks hardly pay taxes, avoid every
responsibility that others take on board and then they complain when asked for their fair dues !!! it's pathetic....

The Euro and Monetary Union is an idea floated by a certain bloke in the late 30's and 40's and that was fortuynately Stopped ..thank god....!!

The modern day Euro politicains want the same thing BUT it will never happen in our lifetime UNLESS they all stop sucking on the Teat that is their
good living currently....

PS - I to approve of the Star Trek Ideology............. Question to you is how do we encourage China, India, Brasil etc etc to accept the
same.............When the God of money is stopped then yes, there is a chance of a ''perfect world'' BUT again do you honestly see that happening
??

Regards

PDUK

As i stated previously, a hetrogenious region of different Language and culture is not a problem.

I have lived and worked all around europe, I love it, part of that appeal is different cultures and lanugages.

I know that I'll get slammed for pulling a religious angle into this... But it may add a missing piece..

Europe will rise to power to become the King of the North, but the UK will side with the Kings of the South (Egypt, Israel, USA, Canada etc).

The "powers" are just setting it up so that the UK formally makes the separation from Europe, what easier way than to start recommending unjust
taxes which they know the UK won't accept.....it appears that the final "Kingdoms" are being set up...North and South.

Look at the the recent article concerning France/Germany getting closer.... the other European nations will then follow suit, forming the New "Roman
Empire"...The King of the North..

You keep asking those who are not in favour of the EU to leave , however
we cannot as you know as well as we do , that we really have no say in the matter.
Our votes mean nothing , take the last election here in the UK the conservatives and lib dems
got into power yet it didnt represent the scottish vote .
A whole country voted against them and they still got power!.

What are we supposed to do , the government is being asked to bail out the EU
and we will just get told we are paying for it , just like the banking bail outs.

Using the riots which just happened as an example , our government now knows that IF it did happen
and we were to resort to civil disobedience and riots , our government are screwed.
Instead of going for each other and going against the government , westminster would be a pile of rubble
as well as holyrood. Our government should have fear running through them right now .
However they dont because the general populace doesnt know jack.

If we educted them then maybe we would get a better response from the common man and woman,
and make them realise we are being fooled AGAIN!

oh and isnt tony blair the dude in charge of the EU right now , typical a war criminal gets all the money !

Because technically it was by the people's consent. You get what you vote for.

The western world is like a young girl who doesn't know the difference between rape and consent and should probably consider the convent for a few
years to go think about herself and the poor life choices that led her to this point. At least She's starting to become a proper thinking girl and
telling the fat oafs to get the hell away. Se should probably consider kicking him in the groin and a few knock out blows. Get herself a real man like
Ron Paul, I don't know.

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spelling

How do you mean " by the people's consent"...?

Only the countries which politicians in government did not agree from the beginning to the end and got the support of the people with their decision
escaped the EU.

The rest of the countries got shoved the EU agreement and the euro down their necks. No matter what protest or outcome of referendum. The decision was
made by politicians and business men who attent the Bilderberg conference.

Go ahead, leave Europe AND the EEA (don't forget the EEA). Lets see those small businesses shut down fast and unemployment rocket even higher.

I DOUBLE DARE ya.

Go on.

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Huh...gerry's.....

Huh?

I'm not arguing with you, I just want you to leave already.. Seriously..

Pony up some balls and do it.

Let's see what happens.

I am very happy to sit back with popcorn and watch the show.

lol whatever.....Huh...

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Thought so, no balls.

What? what are you even talking about? lol typical of your lot

Well YOU are the one yelling DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

and wanting to leave Europe (that also includes the EEA, the ESA, and all the funding for public buildings, and all the grants, and the Galelio GPS
system in a year from now, all that freedom of movement, all that freedom of trade).

So LEAVE.

Seriously.

Just leave COMPLETELY, go build a brick wall with razor fencing around your country, go be a patsy for America, You will need them.

No need to go to the level of crying "you lot" ie., Nazis right? Britain has its own fair share of Nazis, BNP, EDL etc. So you can stop right there
with that line.

This is quite a joke. I don't know if this is correct, but I heard somewhere that if we refused to bail them out and let Greece become bankrupt it
would affect the UK more than if we had just bailed them out.

I think I heard this several times on the news before the last time Greece was bailed out, economics isn't my forte though so I could well be wrong

And just recently I've been seeing evidence of sterling becoming something other than a 'to short against' currency. This will destroy it all over
again. Lucky we still have our right to protest. At the minute anyway.

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