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yeah. if Plumlee continues to do well, which I don't know if he actually is, numbers can be deceiving and all, the question becomes did we overpay by sending the 1st rounder too. though I sort of think we didn't really want that 1st rounder all that much, it's a guaranteed 1.2+ mil or so on an unproven guy that in all likelihood wouldn't play at all. stuff like that matters as tight as we are against the cap and needing to re-sign Lance.

Assets are always useful.

A 1st could have been used to move Mahinmi or Copeland's contract to help move their contracts so that we can re-sign Lance.

I still think that Copeland is a useful role Player, he will help us if we ever needed to go Small Ball while spreading the floor and I believe that he will find his 3pt stroke. But given that we have Scola and OJ/Solo at the Wings, if the Bird is able to work his magic and somehow trade him for an Expiring contract...I'd be okay with that.

This doesn't mean that I don't think that Copeland is garbage and that he can't contribute....I just think that he's redundant now with Scola on the Team ( as the primary Backup PF ) and OJ/Solo on the roster. To me, he's the only Player that I think is expendable.

I wish Plumlee the best, but it will be interesting to see what happens when he's well-scouted.

I haven't watched any of his games....but is he getting Foster-like scoring opportunities ( put backs, offensive rebounding scoring, alley-oops...basically what you'd expect from an Offensively challenged Big Man that is super athletic )?

or

Is he scoring in the low post where Plays are being run for him and he's scoring on his own ( where he is actually displaying some offensive skill )?

My guess is that he's getting his scoring off the former and not the latter.

A 1st could have been used to move Mahinmi or Copeland's contract to help move their contracts so that we can re-sign Lance.

I still think that Copeland is a useful role Player, he will help us if we ever needed to go Small Ball while spreading the floor and I believe that he will find his 3pt stroke. But given that we have Scola and OJ/Solo at the Wings, if the Bird is able to work his magic and somehow trade him for an Expiring contract...I'd be okay with that.

This doesn't mean that I don't think that Copeland is garbage and that he can't contribute....I just think that he's redundant now with Scola on the Team ( as the primary Backup PF ) and OJ/Solo on the roster. To me, he's the only Player that I think is expendable.

Right, I agree with all that. Just saying while I may not necessarily agree with it I can see the logic behind us not valuing a late 1st rounder the same way most teams would given our unique circumstances. For example, say we get the 24th pick, I think if we got offered pick 31 for it straight up we'd do it on draft night.

I haven't watched any of his games....but is he getting Foster-like scoring opportunities ( put backs, offensive rebounding scoring, alley-oops...basically what you'd expect from an Offensively challenged Big Man that is super athletic )?

or

Is he scoring in the low post where Plays are being run for him and he's scoring on his own ( where he is actually displaying some offensive skill )?

My guess is that he's getting his scoring off the former and not the latter.

He is doing everything, actually. Alley-oops, put backs, hooks, drives, you name it. Heck, he even hit a 18 foot baseline jumper in his first game. I have been particularly impressed with his running right hand hook. He didn't have that move in Summer League and it looks really smooth.

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A 1st could have been used to move Mahinmi or Copeland's contract to help move their contracts so that we can re-sign Lance.

I still think that Copeland is a useful role Player, he will help us if we ever needed to go Small Ball while spreading the floor and I believe that he will find his 3pt stroke. But given that we have Scola and OJ/Solo at the Wings, if the Bird is able to work his magic and somehow trade him for an Expiring contract...I'd be okay with that.

This doesn't mean that I don't think that Copeland is garbage and that he can't contribute....I just think that he's redundant now with Scola on the Team ( as the primary Backup PF ) and OJ/Solo on the roster. To me, he's the only Player that I think is expendable.

If need be I don't think it'll be too hard to move Copeland without a first round pick. He has a skill that people want and he's only gonna have one year at $3 million left. I can think of a few teams where he would be a great fit. Mahinmi we need at backup center and I don't see him getting traded.

It's interesting, I've never seen someone that down on Scola. I was excited when we got him which probably colored my view on how much we gave up. We won't have a verdict until we see how he plays for a full season, how Plumlee turns out and what happens with the Pacers first round pick.

It's interesting, I've never seen someone that down on Scola. I was excited when we got him which probably colored my view on how much we gave up. We won't have a verdict until we see how he plays for a full season, how Plumlee turns out and what happens with the Pacers first round pick.

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What Phoenix does with our first-round pick is irrelevant from our perspective. Whether they draft an All-Star or a bust with the pick doesn't change its value. To say otherwise is illogical. Think about it this way: A dollar is worth a dollar. If somebody happens to use that dollar to buy a $100,000,000 winning Powerball ticket, then kudos to them, but that doesn't change the fact that a dollar is worth a dollar, nothing more, nothing less.

As for this Voulgaris clown, the fact that he not only calls Scola a bottom-five power forward, but then plays it off as if he's being overly fair, pretty much confirms he's a troll.

What Phoenix does with our first-round pick is irrelevant from our perspective. Whether they draft an All-Star or a bust with the pick doesn't change its value. To say otherwise is illogical. Think about it this way: A dollar is worth a dollar. If somebody happens to use that dollar to buy a $100,000,000 winning Powerball ticket, then kudos to them, but that doesn't change the fact that a dollar is worth a dollar, nothing more, nothing less.

A dollar is a bad analogy because it's worth the same amount today, tomorrow and next year. The value of that draft pick fluctuates. If Paul George breaks his leg, Scola is a bust and we win 45 games and lose a mid first round pick then we didn't get value for that pick. If we win 65 games and it's the 30th pick in the draft then it's not so bad.

It's not about who they draft, it's a question of did we get proper value out of our assets.

As for this Voulgaris clown, the fact that he not only calls Scola a bottom-five power forward, but then plays it off as if he's being overly fair, pretty much confirms he's a troll.

Well he's also a clown that makes millions of dollar betting on basketball through advanced statistics.

Edit: After researching this circus clown troll to confirm that he is, indeed, a circus clown troll (confirmed), I've also realized that his brilliance, at least when it comes to comprehending the game of basketball, is quite overblown.

First of all, his original fortune was made by exploiting a loophole in the betting system, namely the distribution of points per each half. Fair enough, but that's not indicative of an NBA guru. Once that exploit was fixed, his skills became (shockingly) mediocre. Realizing his own mediocrity, and in a state of desperation, he went out and found a zit-faced math prodigy to do the heavy lifting for him; someone to make sense of (correctly interpret) the data, devise money-making methods off of it, etc., and then giving him a cut off the winnings for his troubles.

I'll give the guy credit for stooping to dubious ethics to satisfy his money lust, but as far as being some sort of a guru when it comes to NBA analysis and predictions, you can color me completely and utterly unimpressed.

I'll take Larry Bird and company's proven track record of making the right moves to build a successful NBA team over anything this low-rent John Hollinger has to say.

Edit: After researching this circus clown troll to confirm that he is, indeed, a circus clown troll (confirmed), I've also realized that his brilliance, at least when it comes to comprehending the game of basketball, is quite overblown.

First of all, his original fortune was made by exploiting a loophole in the betting system, namely the distribution of points per each half. Fair enough, but that's not indicative of an NBA guru. Once that exploit was fixed, his skills became (shockingly) mediocre. Realizing his own mediocrity, and in a state of desperation, he went out and found a zit-faced math prodigy to do the heavy lifting for him; someone to make sense of (correctly interpret) the data, devise money-making methods off of it, etc., and then giving him a cut off the winnings for his troubles.

I'll give the guy credit for stooping to dubious ethics to satisfy his money lust, but as far as being some sort of a guru when it comes to NBA analysis and predictions, you can color me completely and utterly unimpressed.

I'll take Larry Bird and company's proven track record of making the right moves to build a successful NBA team over anything this low-rent John Hollinger has to say.

Sports bettors make money by exploiting the blind spots and misconceptions of the casino and the public. That's like saying a blackjack player is exploiting a loophole by staying on 17.

I don't really have any interest in going back and forth on Voulgaris so you can knock on him all you want, I don't have a personal stake in the guy. But he is a really interesting twitter follow and a fun character with a lot of contrarian views on basketball that I love to hear even when I disagree with it. Anyone interested should check out this interview with TrueHoop where he breaks down how he collects data and how he interprets it (edit: forgot to mention this was from 08 so it's before a lot of the VU cameras and recent trends in analytics). He's also been on Bill Simmons podcast a few times.

I'm still happy with the Scola trade at this point but I don't feel threatened if someone has a view to the contrary.

It's interesting, I've never seen someone that down on Scola. I was excited when we got him which probably colored my view on how much we gave up. We won't have a verdict until we see how he plays for a full season, how Plumlee turns out and what happens with the Pacers first round pick.

He loves to use numbers so maybe Scola doesn't have good stats on whatever s*** he is using, this guy is the same clown that made fun of me in the beginning of the playoffs for saying that Memphis needed Rudy Gay, he told me that Prince was much better lol, of course Memphis got destroyed and he did not answer my tweets when he was proven wrong haha.

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He loves to use numbers so maybe Scola doesn't have good stats on whatever s*** he is using, this guy is the same clown that made fun of me in the beginning of the playoffs for saying that Memphis needed Rudy Gay, he told me that Prince was much better lol, of course Memphis got destroyed and he did not answer my tweets when he was proven wrong haha.

Got destroyed? They made it to the Western Conference Finals.

And I'd rather have Prince for 2 years, $14.9 million than Rudy Gay at 2 years, $37.2 million.

And I'd rather have Prince for 2 years, $14.9 million than Rudy Gay at 2 years, $37.2 million.

Sure they made it to the Western conference finals but how many games they won? and sure Rudy Gay makes a lot of money but there is not way in hell I'm going to say that I rather have old can't do nothing Prince over Rudy Gay hell no.

Memphis has Gay instead of old Prince and they are in the finals, I mean Prince was so great that he was replaced many times by Pondexter.

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