Also science say's if you lower the temperature of relatively clean water at sea level to lower than 32 degrees F it will freeze to solid. Would you consider this proven , or is it up for debate also? Fact is maybe I should say science defines things not proves it , but the freezing point of water to me is already proven.

Ice crystals can form at temps higher than that. Water can get colder than that and still not freeze.

<quoted text>Ice crystals can form at temps higher than that. Water can get colder than that and still not freeze.There's lots of variability out there.

Now you are scrambling to protect your precious beliefs.

NO there is nothing you can do to stop me by prater or belief.

You had better get physical in attempt and even then you are doomed.Belief has no effect in reality , unless you include your brain washed friends. Bring them , bring them all. My bullets are real my assertions are real. They in fact do exist , I can prove them and that they do.Please do not make me ....your bull shit however is quite tiring.

And of little consequence or threat. My impact carries Newtons behind them , a force you can calculate.

<quoted text>Then who do you recognize as gods and by what criteria do you make that call?<quoted text>Okay.Earlier, you stated that Thor, Vishnu, Zeus and Yahweh are all gods.So, you're saying that these entities all ACTUALLY have magic, supernatural powers and divinity?It seems like you have a bit of a double standard going on

Belief does not= reality.

Believe if you like I will not take your precious life.Then experience reality.

<quoted text> Now you are scrambling to protect your precious beliefs.NO there is nothing you can do to stop me by prater or belief.You had better get physical in attempt and even then you are doomed.Belief has no effect in reality , unless you include your brain washed friends. Bring them , bring them all. My bullets are real my assertions are real. They in fact do exist , I can prove them and that they do.Please do not make me ....your bull shit however is quite tiring.And of little consequence or threat. My impact carries Newtons behind them , a force you can calculate.

Aura,You are once again falling back to this fallacy that my argument has anything to do with belief effecting reality.

Not only have I never said that, nor even suggested it. I've, in fact, said the exact opposite on a number of occasions.

What I HAVE said though, and I will continue to say, is this:

Words have meanings. They are labels which convey specific thoughts bout specific things.

In the case of a word like "President", it conveys specific thoughts about the role that person plays in a corporation or government.

However, having the LABEL President only describes what that person DOES, not what that person IS. The President is, from start to finish, a _PERSON_. Physically no different than any other average person.

The President doesn't have special magical powers through which he controls the army. He controls the army through the consent of the chain of command because the people BELIEVE that he has the right to do so as President.

If everyone in the chain of command decided he did not have the right to do so, he would not be able to control the army _at all_.

It's a LABEL.

Just like "President" is a label, so to is "King" or "Captain" or...

And this is key to the discussion: "god".

My argument is, has been, and will continue to be this:

Ramses was a real person who's followers BELIEVED to be a "god". Since the ONLY criteria common to _ALL_ "gods" is a belief in them, then he is granted the title of "god" along with all the powers (none) that that brings.

You have been arguing tooth and nail that Ramses doesn't count as a "real god" because he doesn't measure up to your gold standard "god" (which frankly, everyone knows is Jesus) and it upsets and worries you that anyone who's not a Christian would dare to suggest that your religion is on par with all the other religions in the world (aka essentially meaningless).

Now, STOP being so damn defensive. Stop pretending like this isn't about you defending Jesus. Stop acting like a child.

<quoted text>Aura, you lost. Get over it.I can walk you down the path and show you where I beat you. AGAIN. But what would be the point.Go back 200 pages or so, start reading. You'll see the 5 times you've lost this debate in clear black and white.You haven't forgotten.I haven't forgotten.Repeating the same mistakes doesn't make you right retroactively.Get over it. Take your Jesus and go home.

<quoted text>Aura,You are once again falling back to this fallacy that my argument has anything to do with belief effecting reality.Not only have I never said that, nor even suggested it. I've, in fact, said the exact opposite on a number of occasions.What I HAVE said though, and I will continue to say, is this:Words have meanings. They are labels which convey specific thoughts bout specific things.In the case of a word like "President", it conveys specific thoughts about the role that person plays in a corporation or government.However, having the LABEL President only describes what that person DOES, not what that person IS. The President is, from start to finish, a _PERSON_. Physically no different than any other average person.The President doesn't have special magical powers through which he controls the army. He controls the army through the consent of the chain of command because the people BELIEVE that he has the right to do so as President.If everyone in the chain of command decided he did not have the right to do so, he would not be able to control the army _at all_.It's a LABEL.Just like "President" is a label, so to is "King" or "Captain" or...And this is key to the discussion: "god".My argument is, has been, and will continue to be this:Ramses was a real person who's followers BELIEVED to be a "god". Since the ONLY criteria common to _ALL_ "gods" is a belief in them, then he is granted the title of "god" along with all the powers (none) that that brings.You have been arguing tooth and nail that Ramses doesn't count as a "real god" because he doesn't measure up to your gold standard "god" (which frankly, everyone knows is Jesus) and it upsets and worries you that anyone who's not a Christian would dare to suggest that your religion is on par with all the other religions in the world (aka essentially meaningless).Now, STOP being so damn defensive. Stop pretending like this isn't about you defending Jesus. Stop acting like a child.Just take your licks and accept that you lost this debate months ago.

<quoted text>The fact is no-one could prove bacteria in 1000 AD because bacteria aren't real.<quoted text>Since you're a known dishonest liar and hypocrite then obviously it's not their lies that make you sick. The only other thing it could be is simply having a difference of opinion.

Bacteria can now be proven to be real, and so with that proof came the smell of pooh? Are you saying that before 1000 AD pooh didn't smell? That you do not believe that bacteria are real, would imply that your shit don't stink, for if it did you'd have proof of bacteria in action? So tell us.

<quoted text>In order to have an intellectual discussion, I need to have an intellectual who is opposing me with points and rationale.So far, what I've got is Aura defending Jesus as a "real god" and denouncing others as fake and you just calling everything that anyone says a lie and then complaining that boys are mean.Find me someone with a point and I'll happily discuss it. Until then I'm just sitting here kicking you little turds around for fun,

You do know that only stupid people think they're smarter than everyone else, right? it has actually been shown multiple times that the more a person thinks they're smart, the less intelligent they really are.

<quoted text>You do know that only stupid people think they're smarter than everyone else, right? it has actually been shown multiple times that the more a person thinks they're smart, the less intelligent they really are.

Well, I'll address this criticism in two points.

First, I'd like to point out that you seem to be trying to indicate with this post that you think that you are smarter than me. I would suggest that you get a better grip on your argument before you bother to contradict yourself.

Second, I have not said I'm smarter than everyone else. Just that I'm stuck arguing with you two idiots. I have six month of evidence as to why you shouldn't be taken seriously. I dare you, scroll back through the last 100 pages and count the number of times you use the word "lie" or "liar". Then count the number of actual points you make.(FYI "Lie" is not a point).

As for Aura, do the same only instead of counting liar, count how many times he switches his position on things like whether or not Thor should be considered a god.

Of course we both know you won't do either of those things. Instead you'll respond with more bitchy posts about my penis and then criticize me for not arguing fair.

<quoted text>Bacteria can now be proven to be real, and so with that proof came the smell of pooh? Are you saying that before 1000 AD pooh didn't smell?That you do not believe that bacteria are real, would imply that your shit don't stink, for if it did you'd have proof of bacteria in action? So tell us.

I am going to take it on faith that you are in fact as stupid as you are pretending to be in this post.

So, I'll explain this to you like I would explain this to a child.

Long long ago, people didn't know about bacteria. Bacteria was still around but the people didn't know it was there because they didn't have the looky glass that makes small things seem big. If you were to talk to one of those people and ask them what makes someone sick, they wouldn't say "bacteria" because they didn't know about it.

In the last 10 years or so, we found out about "dark matter". It's stuff that we can't see and didn't know was there until someone figured it out.

So, you see, people today aren't so different than people 1,000 years ago. There are things we know about and things we don't know about.

Some day in the future someone will find out something new and then scientists will say, "Wow. That sure is neat. I wish we knew about that sooner."

So, you should never say that scientists already know about everything because they don't.

<quoted text>I am going to take it on faith that you are in fact as stupid as you are pretending to be in this post.So, I'll explain this to you like I would explain this to a child.Long long ago, people didn't know about bacteria. Bacteria was still around but the people didn't know it was there because they didn't have the looky glass that makes small things seem big. If you were to talk to one of those people and ask them what makes someone sick, they wouldn't say "bacteria" because they didn't know about it.In the last 10 years or so, we found out about "dark matter". It's stuff that we can't see and didn't know was there until someone figured it out.So, you see, people today aren't so different than people 1,000 years ago. There are things we know about and things we don't know about.Some day in the future someone will find out something new and then scientists will say, "Wow. That sure is neat. I wish we knew about that sooner."So, you should never say that scientists already know about everything because they don't.Now go to bed, Timmy.

<quoted text>Whether you personally recognized them is irrelevant. Every proposed god also always had others who did not personally recognize them. I speak English as I pointed out you walked straight into Skippydom. You then choose to walk out with the caveats "slim" or "pretty much proven".

Yes it does matter if we can fail to distinguish between false claims and reality then every ruthless dictator that claims to be a god is a god dipshit. And yoou walk right into stupid.

<quoted text>Ice crystals can form at temps higher than that. Water can get colder than that and still not freeze.There's lots of variability out there.

I was very specific nugatory 32 degrees at sea level and it has to be 99.5 % water. But you want to argue that? How quaint ,you know you're wrong and I'm right. Lets define it this way.what is 0 C and 100 C are they defined or are there some argument you can make about that , to me these 2 states of water are proven.

<quoted text>In order to have an intellectual discussion, I need to have an intellectual who is opposing me with points and rationale.So far, what I've got is Aura defending Jesus as a "real god" and denouncing others as fake and you just calling everything that anyone says a lie and then complaining that boys are mean.Find me someone with a point and I'll happily discuss it. Until then I'm just sitting here kicking you little turds around for fun,

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