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well a fair number of people didn't like it to begin with, I think one of the common criticisms is that it's too derivative

then a few more people thought the second season was kind of just more of the same

I didn't like it much because all of the nostalgia stuff is aimed at completely different people to me and goes right over my head. Without that the main things that stuck out were just the things they flat out stole.

I believe people that it's good though, I'm just not in the catchment area.

Netflix is a stronger sell here because shows on services which haven't migrated to Australia tend to wind up on there, but we'll see whether that holds up over time, since I think the CBS thing is coming here. What surprised me is that we didn't get Disney+ because Stan struck a deal to (seemingly) get all of that content on their service, which is impressive.

I'd want all their shows that Disney are terrible at putting out on DVD before I consider getting that, though.

If Disney+ has the old cartoons, and the Disney Channel Original Movies, those alone will get my subscription. If they offer a +Hulu subscription I would be double all in. That would be an amazing deal.

This is kinda the point is that not all the things that stranger things is derivative of are like super progressive in any sense.

Linking its derivative nature to a reason it should have handled its female characters better is missing that the grander portion of things it's derivative of are like super bad at a bunch of that shit.

It's much easier to say, "It treats its female characters poorly", rather than trying to walk it through its derivative nature to that same point. Cause while it, by its nature, does pull from the movies original listed: aliens, halloween, and poltergeist, it also pulls inspiration from brat pack movies and stuff like the goonies which are super duper problematic in hindsight and didn't throw much if any strength to its female characters.