And Kenya was a British colony until 12th December 1963. This child was born in 1961 ... so the original birth certificate won't be endorsed
"Republic of Kenya" at all, it'll have the Royal coat of arms stamped on it.

Another thing.

Although Kenya gained independence from Britain on 12th December 1963 it didn't become a Republic until December 1964 when it's new constitution
took effect.

So why does a birth certificate issued in February 1964 have Republic mentioned on it at all ?

Besides, Obama is doing things right now in office that are atrocious and any opposition should be concentrating on that instead. What is better to
attack, a birth certificate that can be forged or covered up or 60 appointed czars that believe weird stuff like forced population control.

I am sure most can hold two thoughts in their head at one time..and sure that people are desperately concerned over all the other stuff.
I don't think this is about which party he belongs to, or what race he is or anything other than wanting the truth from those elected. If someone is
found to be a liar, a cheat and a fraud even before they take office, you really want that? So then would you be able to trust a word they said? You
would trust their actions?

I don;t know if he is eligible or not. The issue is much bigger than a piece of paper. It is actually about people, on behalf of even those screaming
racists at them, making a point that we all now know what the powers that be have been up to for the last 50 years. We are disgusted and appalled at
the corruption, immorality, the deaths, murders and the total abuse of that power mainly for their own profit and greed. We now want the elected to be
totally accountable and not to abuse or kill the very people they are representing and supposed to be serving.

And most importantly it is a message that the people are watching what our leaders, or the elite behind them are doing. The game is up...the people
want accountability, honesty, morality, fairness and justice. Once truth is out it is out and cannot be retracted about all the corruption.
They can't control the whole world...and the world is watching.
They can vaccinate and cart most off to camps...but the rest of the world is still watching...

Originally posted by Next_Heap_With
He was Raised in America and that is all that should matter to you all...

-second line

First line - Hmmmmm, no, abiding by our governing document, aka The CONSTITUTION, is what matters to us!

Second line.

The constitution is a backward outdated document written 200-ish years ago... those who follow it live in the past and do not want to progress... it
is time to re-written that precious constitution of yours...or better yet..do not follow any constitution...

Anyway, I always find threads like this entertaining, for the mere fact of envisioning the Obama loyalists having panic attacks. Look how emotionally
invested some Obama supporters are of this man - this VERY overrated President, who cannot speak properly without a telemprompter. I've already seen
the race card used a few times in this thread.

Originally posted by epete22
Orly Taitz again huh? No wonder the OP has no faith in the document he published.

Who is Orly Taitz? I don't see that name on the document that I posted.
Oh ... and I'm a girl.

Originally posted by MagicaRose
Flyersfan, Can you tell me what is on that birth certificate that isn't correct?

I have no idea if anything is or isn't correct.
I've been on the internet looking for other examples. Can't find any.
I can't find info on the 'registrar' or the others listed.

Originally posted by phoenix103
There is one fact in this case - Obama is entitled to be US President, ..

The last poll I saw said 33% of Americans believed he wasn't born here.
Up until this point I have maintained that he was probably born in Hawaii
and that there is something on his long form Hawaii BC that he is
desperately trying to hide.

If this document proves to be authentic, I'll have to change my stand.

Originally posted by maria_stardust
This document seems oddly well preserved considering its age.

I have no details on the history of this document or how it got into the
hand/hands of the source(s). I am preparing correspondence to ask those
questions ...

Originally posted by octotom
The way that I've understood thus far, the OP is behind this and there is a source, but the OP just isn't at liberty to say who the source is
yet.

Actually I just posted what was given to me. And I won't reveal the source(s) unless he/she/they want to be revealed. That kinda puts a kink into
the investigation of the document, but that's the best I can do. I'm preparing some questions to ask the source ...

Originally posted by octotom
Obama could be done with this SO easily. But, he's choosing to not just end this whole thing.

Kinda makes ya' wonder what's on that document that he's working so hard to keep hidden. 'Transparency' ...

Originally posted by Electro38
I am starting to see that there is a component of racism in these discussions. Just my opinion.

And

is my opinion about your opinion.

Originally posted by PathosDate & Place of Birth - August 4, 1961 Given under my hand... - February 17, 1964
Should those two dates match, or is the second date when someone put in for a copy of the certificate?

Looks like that's the date of the certified copy of the original??

Originally posted by Next_Heap_With
He was Raised in America and that is all that should matter to you all...

No he wasn't.

Originally posted by Next_Heap_With
The constitution is a backward outdated document written 200-ish years ago... those who follow it live in the past and do not want to
progress...

Your beliefs on that matter are irrelevant to the subject because at this time that document is the law of the land.

WOW! Really! A 48 year old conspiracy ends because they forgot about the "actual" birth certificate. LOL I mean really if they faked a Hawaiian
birth certificate don't you think they would have gotten rid of the "original" Kenyan birth certificate. Oh wait someone knew 48 years ago that
this boy would grow up and become the first black president so he decided to keep the "original" birth certificate all these years so he could be
kicked out of office. Is this man the leader of the Birthers? Great stuff.

Originally posted by Next_Heap_With
He was Raised in America and that is all that should matter to you all...

-second line

First line - Hmmmmm, no, abiding by our governing document, aka The CONSTITUTION, is what matters to us!

Second line.

The constitution is a backward outdated document written 200-ish years ago... those who follow it live in the past and do not want to progress... it
is time to re-written that precious constitution of yours...or better yet..do not follow any constitution...

Seriously? The Constitution...that one document that keeps a record of the natural and unalienable rights that every American is born with
is....outdated?

So now we wait to see if the courts will grant the request IF THEY DO, then we wait for verification or proof of forgery.

SO while this appears to be the "smoking gun" that (us) "Birthers" have been waiting for, really it is just another question in the list of
questions that we have.

I will be closely following the decision of the courts for the request to authenticate. I hope this judge has the stones to allow this document to be
authenticated, regardless of what the results of that will be.

There is another bigger point that is being missed here. The fact is the government has been breaking the Constitution for years and they have been
getting away with it. If Obama was truly ineligible, it is just another example.

Thank you for clarifying what I was trying to say. The real issue is "is this a nation of law" with checks and balances as written in the
Constitution? If the courts allow this to take its proper course then we are a nation of law, the fact it has not shows the dry rot within the
system

As an American citizen this is disquieting because it means we the citizens have lost all control of our government. The issue is not the person but
whether our system of law is working. We are all sitting on the tiger waiting to see if he will turn on us. A very long home grown terrorist list, a
joint civil/military prison with a built in court - the whole situation is disquieting. If it was McCain on the throne we would hear the screaming
from MA to CA, since it is a black and democratic Congress the activist are content in attacking those raising questions. Divide and Conquer

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