I did listen to some of the video concerning the prophecy. My concerns are -

1. The Veil - The `vision,` stated that people were trying to push through a veil, whereas Hebrews tells us the `veil` was a symbol of Christ`s body which substitutionally took our sin, & then opened up the way to the Father.

`we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus, by a new & living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is His flesh.` (Heb. 10: 19 & 20)

Thus how do you push through Christ`s body?

2. The 2 groups - The `vision` said that the group that was before the `veil,` & the group after became one group. Hebrews again tells us that they are separate groups & have different purposes.

`you have come to Mount Zion,

- to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem,
- & to myriads of angels,
- to the general assembly & church of the first-born who are enrolled in heaven,
- to God the Judge of all,
- & to the spirits of righteous men made perfect,
- & to Jesus, the mediator of the new covenant,
- & to the sprinkled blood...` (Heb. 12: 22 - 24)

3. Jesus- God tells us in His word that all prophecy has to do with Jesus.

`For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.` (Rev. 19: 10)

I didn`t find anything that was related to the Lord in the `vision. ` To me it seemed to be titillating people`s imaginations to be looking into the unseen realms instead of focusing on the character of Christ & Him building up the Body.

I put all of the "prophecies" on here because HEF mentioned all of them, many times, at FA during the 12 years I attended.

I am sure everyone, including myself, will have an opinion about them after all of these years.

For now, I don't agree or disagree with them. I just did some research and tried to provide the information that was presented at FA during many series that HEF taught.

The ministries that are tied to these prophecies now are either new since HEF presented them when teaching, or the ministries have changed their views doctrinally, etc.

The people who prophesied these things do not have a site of their own. Other ministries have used them for different purposes. I am not sure if the people who prophesied these things would approve of the ministries who use them or if they agreed with their theology. They are not here to say one way or the other.

It is up to the individual to decide if they seem valid.

After all of the scrutiny, which is OK, I kind of wish I would have not even put them on OO. It would be interesting to hear what HEF thought about them now.

But, I thought they were important due to the fact that HEF mentioned them so often.

Personally, if they were good enough for HEF, they are good enough for me. I trust HEF's opinion more than I trust anyone else's, at this point. If not, I would have to question all of the teachings. JMHO I know we are all coming to terms with a lot of what we were taught at a personal level.

I don't have any concerns with them. As a matter of fact, I see many things that coincide and confirm what we were taught about how we would be operating in the end times.

The Manchild will be supernatural. The Manchild will operate on both sides of the veil. The Manchild will operate in the greater works ministry. How can it not be supernatural? All of this was mentioned at FA.

I am not going to be afraid of embracing the supernatural with God in these end times. God will guide those who are willing to give their all and to be used by Him.

Just to let you know. It does not matter to me if they stay or not. Its not my board and I'm not going to worry about it.

Secondly I do not reverence everything HEF said as though it was the final word in life. He shared some good things but he was just a "man" and not my idol. I don't use him as my final authority for my decisions on what is right or wrong.

I think there comes a point where some will let HEF Words override anything that happens. I want to hear what the Spirit is saying in His Word, and sometimes what HEF said, contradicts what I see in the Word.

There is a certain amount of security to hold on to what a man has said from the past rather then going out into unknown deeper waters. When your out there with the Lord and no one else to look to it becomes a different ballgame. For now Jesus Christ is the only one and I know I can trust what He says. Men's opinions come and go.

Also I agree with James, past prophecies do not guide my life and I don't hold an interest for me. I don't have to read the stuff so its not worth fretting about.

Gary wrote: I think there comes a point where some will let HEF Words override anything that happens. I want to hear what the Spirit is saying in His Word, and sometimes what HEF said, contradicts what I see in the Word.

One good example among "many" was he said; he would never cross the street to give us his opinion. He said the Lord was giving him what to say in his sermons.

When the thing broke out in the body about divorce and remarriage, HEF pulled the tapes from the library and would not sell them anymore.

If he was hearing from the Lord as he claimed, then what was on the tapes was from the Lord so, Why pull them?

I can give you dozens of things he taught from logo t-shirts to tennis shoes the list goes on and on.

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GWB wrote: I trust HEF's opinion more than I trust anyone else's, at this point.

I don't think this way, so its hard to understand why anyone would hold on to a man's opinion which he said he would never give it to us. The fact is, he did give us his "opinion".

I am not saying he was wrong on everything, but there was a lot of things there that are not in the scriptures is what I am saying.

I understand what you are saying about not putting all of our confidence in one man. I believe most on OO have come to terms with many things that HEF walked in and that they have decided not to apply some of those things to their own life.

In saying I trusted HEF's opinion more than anyone else's at this point, I was only referring to the prophecies. Again, I don't have a problem with them.

I do have problems with some of the things that were taught and I have decided that I have to walk my own walk and be accountable only to Jesus.

Thanks for helping to clarify. It is very important to just follow Jesus and not man.