In this case it would of. employees of the food mart where he was at noticed him keeping a close watch of his bike, if he noticed someone there he would of been there on top of him in seconds, some locks take more than seconds to cut through, plus not every thief carries bolt cutters with them. You need a deterrent no matter what. The bike owner stuffed up no matter which way you look at it, he put himself in that situation.

unless i'm reading the posted story wrong, there is nothing that says whether or not if the bike was locked up or not so from what the letters on the computer screen that i'm reading your comment has no backing. regardless, it wasn't the owners fault, the guy who got his ass beat was the one who made the conscious decision to steal the bike and thus his actions were met with a reaction that i'm sure anyone else would have duplicated

Well if it was locked id back him to chase him down and do whatever he can to detain the perp, but I seriously doubt it was locked. There was no mention of the bike being locked, police report says he "took" the bike, it's safe to assume it wasn't locked. If it was locked that would of been something that was echoed in the report or in the news item to have more leniency for the victim.

Originally Posted by shwinn8

the guy who got his ass beat was the one who made the conscious decision to steal the bike and thus his actions were met with a reaction that i'm sure anyone else would have duplicated

Some people obviously aren't from this planet or they live under a rock, but the planet I"m from (Earth) there are people among us that are labelled "thieves". They have been with us from the start and will be to the end. It's not a new phenomenon. It's like leaving your car in a shopping complex carpark, leaving the windows down, door unlocked and keys in the ignition, who in their right mind would do that?

You really don't have to read the report to know it wasn't locked, try disecting what the news says. They mention he was keeping a close eye on his bike while in the shop, that would indicate to me he was jittery and nervous, why the fark would you feel like that if your bike was locked with a decent lock? To me it just does not make sense.

Originally Posted by shwinn8

someone with a Jeep Wrangler with the top off, trans am or camaro with T-tops off, someone in a convertible? poor analogy

OK, and how many do you see with keys in the ignition and without insurance?

A bike is just a thing, and while I would hate to have any of mine stolen (for the record, I have had one stolen), I sure don't see how it would say anything positive to my humanity if I beat someone because they took it. Stealing a bike is not cool, but try to be human about this situation.

Depending on state, which vary from each, but typically when you break the 500 dollar mark, your looking at felony charges, not necessarily grand theft, but still looking at a F5 or F6 felony. F6 being the less punishable of felonies.

someone with a Jeep Wrangler with the top off, trans am or camaro with T-tops off, someone in a convertible? poor analogy

I have witenessed this, guy had a jeep with the top off, keys hanging on the driver ride roll bar in plain sight, and a big ass mean dog watching the truck while the owner was shopping for food. He was just like tempting some dumbass to try to steal his jeep, saw in Centennial, Colorado a number of years ago.

per Post #26, the ones at fault are the employees who saw the suspicious suspect outside lurking around and did nothing

Next I guess we will blame the system that created the thief. I mean the guy is possibly a drug addict, maybe jobless and most likely lacks a decent education because the system failed him.

The "fault" only lays on the shoulders of the thief not the employees.
It was no more the responsibility of the employees to notice that the bike was being stolen and do something than it was responsibility of the owner to lock the bike up.

The owner acted irresponsibly by not locking the bike up when it was out of his sight.
The employees if they actually noticed it was being stolen and did or said nothing may have acted dishonorably. If they did notice it, the only thing they could do is tell the owner and they may not have known who or where he was.
However, the fault solely lies on the shoulders of the thief who should have never touched something that didn't belong to him.

The beating does seem a bit excessive for retrieving a bike but I wasn't there to see why the beating was excessive. Maybe the crook fought back trying keep the stolen bike forcing the owner to beat him down more.
Or maybe the owner was just so pissed that he lost it (and I can't really blame him either).

I can't get off on seeing the guy beaten to a bloody pulp, but I also can't feel sorry for him. If he would have left his hands off of other peoples property, he would have never had his ass beat.

The beating doesnt look at all excessive to me, you can still see both of his eyes, his jaw still looks in place, he has no teeth through his face, and i presume most of his teeth are still there, what goes around comes around.

If either of our countries had policies like Saudi Arabia for being caught in the act of stealing, the thieving would halve in a month.
Im not advocating stoning to death, but i think the removal of your left hand on your second offence and your right hand on your third would have a profound effect on crime.

yes give everybody one chance, but for serial offenders its pretty hard to steal with no hands..

Our society is too soft..

If you beat a woman, you should be beaten till you pass out or worse.
If you mess with kids you should be castrated and burnt at the stake or put to death
If you steal you should lose your hands.
Its as simple as that...

The beating doesnt look at all excessive to me, you can still see both of his eyes, his jaw still looks in place, he has no teeth through his face, and i presume most of his teeth are still there, what goes around comes around.

If either of our countries had policies like Saudi Arabia for being caught in the act of stealing, the thieving would halve in a month.
Im not advocating stoning to death, but i think the removal of your left hand on your second offence and your right hand on your third would have a profound effect on crime.

yes give everybody one chance, but for serial offenders its pretty hard to steal with no hands..

Our society is too soft..

If you beat a woman, you should be beaten till you pass out or worse.
If you mess with kids you should be castrated and burnt at the stake or put to death
If you steal you should lose your hands.
Its as simple as that...

Harsh, no i dont think so....

I will disagree

Although steeling is never right you need to walk a mile in a mans shoes before you judge.

I would bet that if you lost your job and had exasperated every honest possibility to feed your family and couldn't even afford a bag of rice, even you would 5 finger discount a little food. Although it is still wrong, does that guy deserve to have his hands removed further ruining any chances to get a job and earn an honest living?

We can assume this guy was probably stealing the bike only to get his next fix but even still, you assume there is no chance for rehabilitation.

I have been on both sides of the law myself and although I would never commit a crime ever again, barbaric punishments may have prohibited me from becoming the person I am now. Since then, I have volunteered working with troubled youth in the past and have seen some where you never thought they would be more than a 2 bit thug become well educated productive members of society. Some of those kids wouldn't have any hands under your system.

It is easier for people to sit back and say we should be more harsh than it is for them to actually go out and positively affect the situations in this world.

BTW, I bet nobody here if they really thought about it couldn't honestly say they never stole anything ever in their life.

Although steeling is never right you need to walk a mile in a mans shoes before you judge.

I would bet that if you lost your job and had exasperated every honest possibility to feed your family and couldn't even afford a bag of rice, even you would 5 finger discount a little food. Although it is still wrong, does that guy deserve to have his hands removed further ruining any chances to get a job and earn an honest living?

We can assume this guy was probably stealing the bike only to get his next fix but even still, you assume there is no chance for rehabilitation.

I have been on both sides of the law myself and although I would never commit a crime ever again, barbaric punishments may have prohibited me from becoming the person I am now. Since then, I have volunteered working with troubled youth in the past and have seen some where you never thought they would be more than a 2 bit thug become well educated productive members of society. Some of those kids wouldn't have any hands under your system.

It is easier for people to sit back and say we should be more harsh than it is for them to actually go out and positively affect the situations in this world.

BTW, I bet nobody here if they really thought about it couldn't honestly say they never stole anything ever in their life.

I respect and understand your point of view, it has many valid arguments, but dont think you not talking to somebody that hasnt walked both sides of the fence..
I have no shame in saying i was a meth and grass addict for 20 years, thats basically my whole adult life, although i still functioned well enough to hold down a job as a horticulturist and fisherman, i often had no food and money left over to feed myself after indulging in my habits, that was no body else fault than my own, i take full 100% responsability for my selfish addiction..
In that 20 years i never stole a single thing, i never hurt anybody bar myself ,and indirectly the people that loved me, and in my 20 year haze that is my biggest regret and i can never do enough to repair that but thats not what we are talking about.
After i beat my addictions I worked at night here in Kings Cross where i live at night, looking after drug addicts and homeless street kids and adults on top of my day job..
So its safe to say im no armchair critic..
You know what makes a difference, its tough love, I admit people stealing food to feed their kids is not in the league of the punishments im talking about, but people stealing big item tickets to feed their selfish drug addictions is exactly what im talking about above, and seeing i was there for 20 solid years, i think its fair for me to comment on the issue, cheers mate.....

Well, anyone can comment even if they have no idea what it is like to be on the other side of the fence.

The question is were does the barbarianism stop?
Who gets to make the decision on what type of theft loses a limb?
Many people feel the same about drug addicts as you do about thieves.
Maybe some people believe that drug addicts are just a drain on society and since they are killing themselves anyways we should just end it for them so society doesn't have to take care of them. What about all the other crimes meth heads commit? Since there is too much of chance that they may commit murder, we should kill them all.
Sure, you may not do it anymore but we all know that you could be just one bad moment away from getting hooked again. We can't take that chance so we need to end your life too. (I don't really feel that way but you see where barbarianism can lead).

I despise a thief too (well, not so much the thief but the crime) and feel they should be punished. Limb removal is a bit excessive though. As far as the beating this guy endured, I don't want to say he deserved it, but he did ask for it. So like I said before, I get no enjoyment from seeing it but I don't feel sorry for him either.

On a side note, good job on cleaning up your life. I know it was hard you deserve to be commended for it.

Well, anyone can comment even if they have no idea what it is like to be on the other side of the fence.

The question is were does the barbarianism stop?
Who gets to make the decision on what type of theft loses a limb?
Many people feel the same about drug addicts as you do about thieves.
Maybe some people believe that drug addicts are just a drain on society and since they are killing themselves anyways we should just end it for them so society doesn't have to take care of them. What about all the other crimes meth heads commit? Since there is too much of chance that they may commit murder, we should kill them all.
Sure, you may not do it anymore but we all know that you could be just one bad moment away from getting hooked again. We can't take that chance so we need to end your life too. (I don't really feel that way but you see where barbarianism can lead).

I despise a thief too (well, not so much the thief but the crime) and feel they should be punished. Limb removal is a bit excessive though. As far as the beating this guy endured, I don't want to say he deserved it, but he did ask for it. So like I said before, I get no enjoyment from seeing it but I don't feel sorry for him either.

On a side note, good job on cleaning up your life. I know it was hard you deserve to be commended for it.

Fair call mate, im not going to argue any of your points, they are very valid and i can see the angle your coming from.
I dont know the answer, there are so many different levels of crime, so many reasons why people do it.
There are so many types of drug addicts, some meth addicts inject and every minute of the day they are consumed buy their habit and sell their soul for it, some like i was still held down a job and hid it the best i could, i never injected as i had other means of consumption and i know many like myself that could still somewhat function and have a life, but at the end of the day i was still a slave to it to a big degree..
I really dont have an answer to this, i will go back to the drawing board and have a think about what youve said as they are very valid points.
cheers mate

If you find yourself at a convenience store with no lock just open the rear wheel QR. If someone tries to ride off their first pedal stroke will result in a painful and embarrassing crash. I found out the hard way how well this works when I forgot to undo my "trap" one time.

Admittedly it only works with horizontal dropouts but I find it a simple and elegant solution.

My humble opinion is that justice was served exactly as it should have been. No need for cutting off hands or breaking thumbs or stoning and certainly no need for analyzing and forgiving, that can come later.