life is all about choices. lets say the first ascent party is climbin and at 30m the climb starts to get really good. should they do two pitches cuz your a whiner? or maybe they ought to keep on climbin? or perhaps they might expect that the next climbers can either have a longer rope or an additional rope so they can get their sorry ass off in one piece? what do you think?

so 70m ropes are not mandatory but if you are going to climb more than one rope length then perhaps a second rope is. if thats too inconvenient for you then can i suggest bowling?

Ropes are getting thinner, so a new 70 probably weighs about similar as a couple years old 60. If you are local to an area putting up longer routes, or travel enough, it makes sense to at least have a 70 so you aren't hosed when you need it.

But I know I wasn't happy when a climbing partner showed up to the Gunks a couple years ago with their new 70. I was like "I may be seconding, but you can coil your own new toy!"

so 70m ropes are not mandatory but if you are going to climb more than one rope length then perhaps a second rope is. if thats too inconvenient for you then can i suggest bowling?

Hawkeye..... I am pretty good at bowling, but I think it is lame.

I know just what to do when climbing any climb, BUT after reading about the poor girl who fell a long way at the ORG, glad she lived to tell the tale. I am struck by the total lack of thought of the new breed who are putting in SPORT CLIMBS.

Is this some new way to get more business into Inyo, Mono County emergency rooms and keep the SAR folks busy?

Why?

Just pull the lead line up and out off all the draws and then drop it back to the ground.

Tie on your second rope and then lower off.

It will require 2 ropes but so what.

Now you don't need to buy a 70 meter rope.

Not unless you're just complaining for complaining sakes?

No, Herr Braun, not complaining just saying...

So when you need to go climb where you have no knowlege of the climbs... adventure trad.. and you might need to rap off, that single 70 m rope will not do squat, so you suposed to carry 2 70 meter anchors?

I am just saying,.... and anyway how do you determine just where to put the anchors at? The crux is usuly above the anchors. (attempt at funny)

Happie girl, the only duodess rope I could find at the co-op was a 70meter, does that mean you won't climb with me at JT this winter?
I'm coming down from the Great White North in late Jan, will you be in JT?

70M ropes are not a standard by any means. 99% of the time it just means buying, hauling around, untangling and otherwise dealing with an extra 30+ feet of rope. That said,

Those Bishop boys (and girls) are doing some nice work in Pine Creek. On my recent visit I did several good relatively new climbs there. Two really stick in my memory for quality, Three Hour Arete (the crux is a very exposed but well protected boulder problem in the sky,) and the John Fisher Memorial. The Arete is four pitches and the JFM is as I recall 7 or 8, all set up to rap with a 70. JFM has lots of variety, the tips crack is choice.

We did the arete with my 8.5x60 doubles 'cause we had no 70. It worked but was kind of a pia. I did JFM with a partner who had a 70 which worked fine.