I am not going to budget trade or FA market value for any outside starting pitchers that have a 2 year high market base value. I am going to budget 8 million to make sure I acquire 2 outside starting pitchers to MLB and/or minor league contracts. I will acquire 2 from the following list of FA:

Jeremy Guthrie (offer MLB contract two years and up to base 5)

Jeff Francis (Offer MLB contract one year and base 1M and option year 2 @ base)

Rich Harden (Offer minor league contract 1M guaranteed or player can opt out and become a FA is not added to MLB roster at least one week before the deadling for turning in the opening day roster)

Eric Bedard (Offer minor league contract 1M guaranteed or player can opt out and become a FA is not added to MLB roster at least one week before the deadling for turning in the opening day roster)

2013 projected opening day rotation:

Lester

Buch

Doubrant

Lackey

Tazawa (1st half)

or Season injury/bum replacement depth:

3 from Morales or Guthrie or Francis or Bedard or Harden and farm De La Rosa or Webster

Now, I've studied the market and there are no 1st rate starting pitcher FA or trade values, and all the 2nd rate high base FA or trade market pitchers are terrible value probabibilities.

However, it's very important they you provide the specifics on the starting pitchers you are going to budget for trade or FA market value to make sure you acquire him or them. Cherry is incompetent and will react and blunder, so it's important that you provide the details of what you would do to provide the contrast needed to keep you from looking like a blathering idiot who doesn't do anything but throw out names like "I want Felix or if we can't get him lets get Greinke or insert the name of other high market base FA pitchers".

We have a poster on here who poses as an expert but never provides any decision specfic details. He likes to post a lot of spreadsheet type of useless information that is used to either impress or convce you that Wakefield was a good active roster pitcher value in those last years after he was totally washed up but wanted everyone to see him break records associated with poor quality and a lot of many years of quantity stats. I call him the stooge. He won't provide his details, but will speak in generalities and throw out names like Charlie McCarthey et al. He lobbied to bring Wakefield back for 2012 and Beckett back for 2013 and beyond. Every year, he whines that "we need a #1 pitcher or a good #2" but never provides the specific details on who and how much to pay market to acquire.

Anyway, don't be like the stooge, provide your specifics before the biggest part of the baseball season begins of this fall and winter. It's more important than who the musical chair manager is.

Sorry Trotter, I played this game with you already and you didn't respond to those who answered your questions there, so I'm not falling for it again.

Just one thing though...please tell me this is a joke, because if this is the guy you are targeting then you don't deserve response from anyone:

"Jeremy Guthrie (offer MLB contract two years and up to base 5)"

In addition, haven't you been critical of the GM for playing off the scrap heap...because that is exactly what you are doing with the list of pitchers you threw out here.

I am not going to budget trade or FA market value for any outside starting pitchers that have a 2 year high market base value. I am going to budget 8 million to make sure I acquire 2 outside starting pitchers to MLB and/or minor league contracts. I will acquire 2 from the following list of FA:

Jeremy Guthrie (offer MLB contract two years and up to base 5)

Jeff Francis (Offer MLB contract one year and base 1M and option year 2 @ base)

Rich Harden (Offer minor league contract 1M guaranteed or player can opt out and become a FA is not added to MLB roster at least one week before the deadling for turning in the opening day roster)

Eric Bedard (Offer minor league contract 1M guaranteed or player can opt out and become a FA is not added to MLB roster at least one week before the deadling for turning in the opening day roster)

2013 projected opening day rotation:

Lester

Buch

Doubrant

Lackey

Tazawa (1st half)

or Season injury/bum replacement depth:

3 from Morales or Guthrie or Francis or Bedard or Harden and farm De La Rosa or Webster

Now, I've studied the market and there are no 1st rate starting pitcher FA or trade values, and all the 2nd rate high base FA or trade market pitchers are terrible value probabibilities.

However, it's very important they you provide the specifics on the starting pitchers you are going to budget for trade or FA market value to make sure you acquire him or them. Cherry is incompetent and will react and blunder, so it's important that you provide the details of what you would do to provide the contrast needed to keep you from looking like a blathering idiot who doesn't do anything but throw out names like "I want Felix or if we can't get him lets get Greinke or insert the name of other high market base FA pitchers".

We have a poster on here who poses as an expert but never provides any decision specfic details. He likes to post a lot of spreadsheet type of useless information that is used to either impress or convce you that Wakefield was a good active roster pitcher value in those last years after he was totally washed up but wanted everyone to see him break records associated with poor quality and a lot of many years of quantity stats. I call him the stooge. He won't provide his details, but will speak in generalities and throw out names like Charlie McCarthey et al. He lobbied to bring Wakefield back for 2012 and Beckett back for 2013 and beyond. Every year, he whines that "we need a #1 pitcher or a good #2" but never provides the specific details on who and how much to pay market to acquire.

Anyway, don't be like the stooge, provide your specifics before the biggest part of the baseball season begins of this fall and winter. It's more important than who the musical chair manager is.

Sorry Trotter, I played this game with you already and you didn't respond to those who answered your questions there, so I'm not falling for it again.

Just one thing though...please tell me this is a joke, because if this is the guy you are targeting then you don't deserve response from anyone:

Jeremy Guthrie (offer MLB contract two years and up to base 5)

In addition, haven't you been critical of the GM for playing off the scrap heap...because that is exactly what you are doing with the list of pitchers you threw out here.

I am not going to budget trade or FA market value for any outside starting pitchers that have a 2 year high market base value. I am going to budget 8 million to make sure I acquire 2 outside starting pitchers to MLB and/or minor league contracts. I will acquire 2 from the following list of FA:

Jeremy Guthrie (offer MLB contract two years and up to base 5)

Jeff Francis (Offer MLB contract one year and base 1M and option year 2 @ base)

Rich Harden (Offer minor league contract 1M guaranteed or player can opt out and become a FA is not added to MLB roster at least one week before the deadling for turning in the opening day roster)

Eric Bedard (Offer minor league contract 1M guaranteed or player can opt out and become a FA is not added to MLB roster at least one week before the deadling for turning in the opening day roster)

2013 projected opening day rotation:

Lester

Buch

Doubrant

Lackey

Tazawa (1st half)

or Season injury/bum replacement depth:

3 from Morales or Guthrie or Francis or Bedard or Harden and farm De La Rosa or Webster

Now, I've studied the market and there are no 1st rate starting pitcher FA or trade values, and all the 2nd rate high base FA or trade market pitchers are terrible value probabibilities.

However, it's very important they you provide the specifics on the starting pitchers you are going to budget for trade or FA market value to make sure you acquire him or them. Cherry is incompetent and will react and blunder, so it's important that you provide the details of what you would do to provide the contrast needed to keep you from looking like a blathering idiot who doesn't do anything but throw out names like "I want Felix or if we can't get him lets get Greinke or insert the name of other high market base FA pitchers".

We have a poster on here who poses as an expert but never provides any decision specfic details. He likes to post a lot of spreadsheet type of useless information that is used to either impress or convce you that Wakefield was a good active roster pitcher value in those last years after he was totally washed up but wanted everyone to see him break records associated with poor quality and a lot of many years of quantity stats. I call him the stooge. He won't provide his details, but will speak in generalities and throw out names like Charlie McCarthey et al. He lobbied to bring Wakefield back for 2012 and Beckett back for 2013 and beyond. Every year, he whines that "we need a #1 pitcher or a good #2" but never provides the specific details on who and how much to pay market to acquire.

Anyway, don't be like the stooge, provide your specifics before the biggest part of the baseball season begins of this fall and winter. It's more important than who the musical chair manager is.

Sorry Trotter, I played this game with you already and you didn't respond to those who answered your questions there, so I'm not falling for it again.

Just one thing though...please tell me this is a joke, because if this is the guy you are targeting then you don't deserve response from anyone.

Jeremy Guthrie (offer MLB contract two years and up to base 5)

In addition, haven't you been critical of the GM for playing off the scrap heap...because that is exactly what you are doing with the list of pitchers you threw out here.

I am not going to budget trade or FA market value for any outside starting pitchers that have a 2 year high market base value. I am going to budget 8 million to make sure I acquire 2 outside starting pitchers to MLB and/or minor league contracts. I will acquire 2 from the following list of FA:

Jeremy Guthrie (offer MLB contract two years and up to base 5)

Jeff Francis (Offer MLB contract one year and base 1M and option year 2 @ base)

Rich Harden (Offer minor league contract 1M guaranteed or player can opt out and become a FA is not added to MLB roster at least one week before the deadling for turning in the opening day roster)

Eric Bedard (Offer minor league contract 1M guaranteed or player can opt out and become a FA is not added to MLB roster at least one week before the deadling for turning in the opening day roster)

2013 projected opening day rotation:

Lester

Buch

Doubrant

Lackey

Tazawa (1st half)

or Season injury/bum replacement depth:

3 from Morales or Guthrie or Francis or Bedard or Harden and farm De La Rosa or Webster

Now, I've studied the market and there are no 1st rate starting pitcher FA or trade values, and all the 2nd rate high base FA or trade market pitchers are terrible value probabibilities.

However, it's very important they you provide the specifics on the starting pitchers you are going to budget for trade or FA market value to make sure you acquire him or them. Cherry is incompetent and will react and blunder, so it's important that you provide the details of what you would do to provide the contrast needed to keep you from looking like a blathering idiot who doesn't do anything but throw out names like "I want Felix or if we can't get him lets get Greinke or insert the name of other high market base FA pitchers".

We have a poster on here who poses as an expert but never provides any decision specfic details. He likes to post a lot of spreadsheet type of useless information that is used to either impress or convce you that Wakefield was a good active roster pitcher value in those last years after he was totally washed up but wanted everyone to see him break records associated with poor quality and a lot of many years of quantity stats. I call him the stooge. He won't provide his details, but will speak in generalities and throw out names like Charlie McCarthey et al. He lobbied to bring Wakefield back for 2012 and Beckett back for 2013 and beyond. Every year, he whines that "we need a #1 pitcher or a good #2" but never provides the specific details on who and how much to pay market to acquire.

Anyway, don't be like the stooge, provide your specifics before the biggest part of the baseball season begins of this fall and winter. It's more important than who the musical chair manager is.

Sorry Trotter, I played this game with you already and you didn't respond to those who answered your questions there, so I'm not falling for it again.

Just one thing though, please tell me this is a joke, because if this is the guy you are targeting then you don't deserve response from anyone.

Jeremy Guthrie (offer MLB contract two years and up to base 5)

In addition, haven't you been critical of the GM for playing off the scrap heap, because that is exactly what you are doing with the list of pitchers you threw out here.

I am not going to budget trade or FA market value for any outside starting pitchers that have a 2 year high market base value. I am going to budget 8 million to make sure I acquire 2 outside starting pitchers to MLB and/or minor league contracts. I will acquire 2 from the following list of FA:

Jeremy Guthrie (offer MLB contract two years and up to base 5)

Jeff Francis (Offer MLB contract one year and base 1M and option year 2 @ base)

Rich Harden (Offer minor league contract 1M guaranteed or player can opt out and become a FA is not added to MLB roster at least one week before the deadling for turning in the opening day roster)

Eric Bedard (Offer minor league contract 1M guaranteed or player can opt out and become a FA is not added to MLB roster at least one week before the deadling for turning in the opening day roster)

2013 projected opening day rotation:

Lester

Buch

Doubrant

Lackey

Tazawa (1st half)

or Season injury/bum replacement depth:

3 from Morales or Guthrie or Francis or Bedard or Harden and farm De La Rosa or Webster

Now, I've studied the market and there are no 1st rate starting pitcher FA or trade values, and all the 2nd rate high base FA or trade market pitchers are terrible value probabibilities.

However, it's very important they you provide the specifics on the starting pitchers you are going to budget for trade or FA market value to make sure you acquire him or them. Cherry is incompetent and will react and blunder, so it's important that you provide the details of what you would do to provide the contrast needed to keep you from looking like a blathering idiot who doesn't do anything but throw out names like "I want Felix or if we can't get him lets get Greinke or insert the name of other high market base FA pitchers".

We have a poster on here who poses as an expert but never provides any decision specfic details. He likes to post a lot of spreadsheet type of useless information that is used to either impress or convce you that Wakefield was a good active roster pitcher value in those last years after he was totally washed up but wanted everyone to see him break records associated with poor quality and a lot of many years of quantity stats. I call him the stooge. He won't provide his details, but will speak in generalities and throw out names like Charlie McCarthey et al. He lobbied to bring Wakefield back for 2012 and Beckett back for 2013 and beyond. Every year, he whines that "we need a #1 pitcher or a good #2" but never provides the specific details on who and how much to pay market to acquire.

Anyway, don't be like the stooge, provide your specifics before the biggest part of the baseball season begins of this fall and winter. It's more important than who the musical chair manager is.

Sorry Trotter, I played this game with you already and you didn't respond to those who answered your questions there, so I'm not falling for it again.

Just one thing though, please tell me this is a joke, because if this is the guy you are targeting then you don't deserve response from anyone.

Jeremy Guthrie (offer MLB contract two years and up to base 5)

In addition, I believe you have been critical of the GM for playing off the scrap heap, and that is exactly what you are doing with the list of pitchers you have identified here.

I am not going to budget trade or FA market value for any outside starting pitchers that have a 2 year high market base value. I am going to budget 8 million to make sure I acquire 2 outside starting pitchers to MLB and/or minor league contracts. I will acquire 2 from the following list of FA:

Jeremy Guthrie (offer MLB contract two years and up to base 5)

Jeff Francis (Offer MLB contract one year and base 1M and option year 2 @ base)

Rich Harden (Offer minor league contract 1M guaranteed or player can opt out and become a FA is not added to MLB roster at least one week before the deadling for turning in the opening day roster)

Eric Bedard (Offer minor league contract 1M guaranteed or player can opt out and become a FA is not added to MLB roster at least one week before the deadling for turning in the opening day roster)

2013 projected opening day rotation:

Lester

Buch

Doubrant

Lackey

Tazawa (1st half)

or Season injury/bum replacement depth:

3 from Morales or Guthrie or Francis or Bedard or Harden and farm De La Rosa or Webster

Now, I've studied the market and there are no 1st rate starting pitcher FA or trade values, and all the 2nd rate high base FA or trade market pitchers are terrible value probabibilities.

However, it's very important they you provide the specifics on the starting pitchers you are going to budget for trade or FA market value to make sure you acquire him or them. Cherry is incompetent and will react and blunder, so it's important that you provide the details of what you would do to provide the contrast needed to keep you from looking like a blathering idiot who doesn't do anything but throw out names like "I want Felix or if we can't get him lets get Greinke or insert the name of other high market base FA pitchers".

We have a poster on here who poses as an expert but never provides any decision specfic details. He likes to post a lot of spreadsheet type of useless information that is used to either impress or convce you that Wakefield was a good active roster pitcher value in those last years after he was totally washed up but wanted everyone to see him break records associated with poor quality and a lot of many years of quantity stats. I call him the stooge. He won't provide his details, but will speak in generalities and throw out names like Charlie McCarthey et al. He lobbied to bring Wakefield back for 2012 and Beckett back for 2013 and beyond. Every year, he whines that we need a #1 pitcher or a good #2 but never provides the specific details on who and how much to pay market to acquire.

Anyway, don't be like the stooge, provide your specifics before the biggest part of the baseball season begins of this fall and winter. It's more important than who the musical chair manager is.

Sorry Trotter, I played this game with you already and you didn't respond to those who answered your questions there, so I'm not falling for it again.

Just one thing though, please tell me this is a joke, because if this is the guy you are targeting then you don't deserve response from anyone.

Jeremy Guthrie (offer MLB contract two years and up to base 5)

In addition, I believe you have been critical of the GM for playing off the scrap heap, and that is exactly what you are doing with the list of pitchers you have identified here.

In fact, Lackey was an attempt to "upgrade the pitching". Beckett's last extension was an attempt to "upgrade the pitching". Overpaying high base multi-year 2nd rate pitchers isn't going to "upgrade the pitching".

You are mis-remembering. You liked the lackey acquisition, but thought it was one year too long.