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Re: Addai, Brackett, Clark, Bullit GONE!

He had bad WRs and mediocre TEs in college. Nothing new there. The line will be a downgrade relative to competition though.

mediocre TEs and bad WRs??

I wouldn't call Colby Fleener mediocre he will be getting his name called very soon on draft day.

with Orson Charles getting busted for DUI a day after his pro day (what a idiot) he may be the first TE drafted.

Chris Owusu had an amazing combine he was a solid WR for Luck and certainly better than what many get at WR he is crazy fast and has good hands.

Had the best guard in the nation in DeCastro he has great ability to pull which fit perfectly in the Stanford power run offense. Had to good tackles one who many scouts think will be elite at the next level in Jonathan Martin.

Re: Addai, Brackett, Clark, Bullit GONE!

I knew Bracket would be gone regardless, Angererererer is younger, better and cheaper. Not surprised with Addai, after Brown really came on last season, finally.

A little surprised with Clark, figured he would be a great target for Luck. Little surprised with Bullit, he's been solid and has not missed much time till last season, I didn't think he made that much money.

Im cool with Brackett too, I knew after how Pat played this year. He earned that spot. The rest kind make me smh & wonder what they have in mind, bc theres no way you make those kind of cuts and not have a vision of what you want for this year. Colts offense (not even talking about Luck) isnt going to cut it as of right now.

I dont know if thats fair to say yet. I think you gotta give him a little more time. It could have been due to injury, our QBs, or a number of things. I still wanna see if it really was all PM or if somethings just been up with him.

Re: Addai, Brackett, Clark, Bullit GONE!

Who the hell is going to protect Luck, and who is he going to throw to?

This is what I worry about. I have full confidence in Luck, but he is going to be starting his time here with a very depleted roster. When Manning was drafted in 1998, we already had a reliable LT in Glenn and a future HOF receiver in Harrison. He relied on those guys for many many years.

There's no doubt that young Manning benefited GREATLY from having a receiver of Harrison's caliber to throw to. That helped his progression immensely.

"The Triplets" were born in 1999 when Edge arrived in Peyton's second year. I don't think we're going to have a WR and RB of that sort of caliber around Luck that quickly.

Our record will likely be pretty bad next year so we will at least get another good pick. And we should have some very nice cap room down the line. With smart drafting and good free agent signings, this team will be back.

Re: Addai, Brackett, Clark, Bullit GONE!

I wouldn't call Colby Fleener mediocre he will be getting his name called very soon on draft day.

with Orson Charles getting busted for DUI a day after his pro day (what a idiot) he may be the first TE drafted.

Chris Owusu had an amazing combine he was a solid WR for Luck and certainly better than what many get at WR he is crazy fast and has good hands.

Had the best guard in the nation in DeCastro he has great ability to pull which fit perfectly in the Stanford power run offense. Had to good tackles one who many scouts think will be elite at the next level in Jonathan Martin.

his cast was 20X better than RG3's IMO(when including defense).

Fleener is pretty good, you're right. Owusu I'm not a fan of. I agreed with you on the offensive line so I don't know why you bothered to bicker about that. His cast was probably better than RGIII's, but RG's system at Baylor was much more QB friendly than Luck's was.

Re: Addai, Brackett, Clark, Bullit GONE!

Saw most of this happening, I read a lot of Colts chat sites, and basically, a lot has to do with salary, not this year but in the future, and also fit and performance.

Colts are trying to go to more of a pound running game, and with the play and contracts of Clark and Addai, there was no real need to keep them around if we are in the rebuilding stage, It is arguable that Addai got outplayed by both the other RB's last year. Clark can not stay healthy and has lost a step, or two, or three. Clark has been more of a pass catching TE with very limited blocking ability, which really showed this year when he was asked to help out to provide protection due to our like, and QB issues. Addai has never really been a pound it up the middle type of back either.

Bracked really did not have a position, and the way that Conner and Angerer played this season there is no need to bring him back with the contract he has. Bulliet, can not stay healthy either, and he definitely underperformed this season when he was healthy.

Painter was never viewed as a backup that would be needed to play in games, now that Peyton is gone and we saw what happened when he got in the game it just makes sense that we need to go in a different direction.

Grigson can say it is not about health, but that is a part of it, future cap was the big reason, and their play compared to the next best thing, if not better, was not strong enough to keep them around.

Re: Addai, Brackett, Clark, Bullit GONE!

Wow.

I really wanted to see him stay and something worked out with Gary Brackett. He is just such a great guy, so easy to root for, and I imagine a wonderful player to have in the lockerroom. The Colts have been so lucky to have multiple players like Gary Brackett it really really sucks to see em go. I know the guy is not the player he use to be, is not a ideal fit for Coach Pagano's defense, and is not worth his contract but I still wish something could have been worked out for him to stay. Its not like the Colts are going to become a 3-4 overnight.

I guess I love what the Colts have been about. I really do and appreciate it. I hate to see it end the way it has. I guess I have enjoyed having a lot of "good guys" on the team. I hate to see them all go.

With all that said about Brackett I am not surprised he has been released and I do understand why. However I am somewhat surprised that Dallas Clark and Joseph Addai were released.

Sure Clark is not worth what he is paid but you will need to give Andrew Luck some quality weapons to work with on offense. Clark is probably better than whoever he will be replaced with. Granted maybe there were issues behind the scenes here. Nevertheless grass isn't always greener on the other side. I hope the Colts are right that it will be in this case.

I am probably most surprised that Addai was released. He may not be a great runner but he is versatile and most importantly he is very good at blocking. Maybe the Colts are not going to run the same offense as before but I think having a back like Addai who can do a lot of things and block is very important especially with a poor o-line.

I wouldn't call Colby Fleener mediocre he will be getting his name called very soon on draft day.

with Orson Charles getting busted for DUI a day after his pro day (what a idiot) he may be the first TE drafted.

Chris Owusu had an amazing combine he was a solid WR for Luck and certainly better than what many get at WR he is crazy fast and has good hands.

Had the best guard in the nation in DeCastro he has great ability to pull which fit perfectly in the Stanford power run offense. Had to good tackles one who many scouts think will be elite at the next level in Jonathan Martin.

Fleener is pretty good, you're right. Owusu I'm not a fan of. I agreed with you on the offensive line so I don't know why you bothered to bicker about that. His cast was probably better than RGIII's, but RG's system at Baylor was much more QB friendly than Luck's was.

Fleener is good, Owusu was hurt much of this year, Don't sleep on Baylor, their line was not the same, but the weapons that RGIII had around him were on par with that of Stanford, I think he had 2 WR's that both had 1000 yds, one who was dominate and will be going in the 1st round of the draft, his RB had over over 1500 yds I believe and over 20 tds and will be going in this draft as well, his center will be going in this draft too.

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Re: Addai, Brackett, Clark, Bullit GONE!

The offense is now decimated. Addai could have been turned into a short yardage receiver at least until we have some real WRs. Brown still has a lot to prove. Clark will do much better with a QB that he has practiced with over a period of time. We don't need Bullitt or Brackett. Garcon is not out of the picture yet.
This team has had worse personnel than we have now. Just back to the good ol' days.

Peyton's must be happy he's out of here. He wouldn't even know this team next fall.

If Peyton were back with the team, a lot of these changes would not have happened, Bluitt and Bracket most likely would have been gone, not not the rest of the guys. They would not have been in a rebuilding state in that case.

Re: Addai, Brackett, Clark, Bullit GONE!

It pains me to say this but it was a move that was necessary. We need to get younger as a whole and these guys either did not fit the new scheme in Brackett and Bullit, need to retire in Saturday, have nothing left in the tank in Addai, and deserve the chance to go to a winning team instead of spending their latter years of their careers with a rebuilding team in Clark. The next one I expect is Freeney, which may not happen until draft day if we can get a pick or two for him. I have enjoyed watching all of these guys play in the past decade plus but father time catches up and now we have to do what is necessary to start over. I thank them all for their years of play and wish them the best.

Re: Addai, Brackett, Clark, Bullit GONE!

If Peyton were back with the team, a lot of these changes would not have happened, Bluitt and Bracket most likely would have been gone, not not the rest of the guys. They would not have been in a rebuilding state in that case.

If Peyton were still here some of these offensive players would have to be gone for cap reasons. Reggie, Saturday, Clark, Addai have big appetites and the defense really needs some attention. Garcon is obviously not going to take less if Peyton is still here.It was always going to be Garcon or Reggie not both.

Re: Addai, Brackett, Clark, Bullit GONE!

If Peyton were still here some of these offensive players would have to be gone for cap reasons. Reggie, Saturday, Clark, Addai have big appetites and the defense really needs some attention. Garcon is obviously not going to take less if Peyton is still here.It was always going to be Garcon or Reggie not both.

They would have restructured their contracts to try to bid for a final shot at a championship, just like Peyton has in the past when they needed to sign Reggie, and Freeney.