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Sorry to type out the word GLOCK here - but was thinking of getting a GLOCK 17 and can't decide on a gen3 or 4.. Was looking atthe RTF2 (gen3) but have been told hey are no longer making them for one reason or another..

Have heard that manufacturing o the Gen 3s will continue for a long time since they are so popular and this is what the military has a contract for. Still see them be sold at my local store. Personally, would opt for a Gen 3 17 over a Gen 4 due to issues.

Go over to the Glock Talk forum and do a search.We've had several threads over there and thedouble-spring guide rod "issue" has been praisedas well as reviled over there ad nauseum!

The only conclusion I was able to draw from the manythreads is that the satisfied users of Gen 4 glocksoutnumber the dissatisfied ones like 10 to 1 or something.

But I speak from personal experience when I say that my Gen 4Glock 17 never failed to fire nor failed to eject (FTF/FTE)after 1,800+ rounds of various loads. I also have both theoriginal double spring recoil guide and the "O2" or secondversion that Glock issued to owners who were "concerned"with the "01" guide rods. Hey, it's free! And I will have toreplace the guide rod someday so why not ask for one,right?

The other evident thing I discovered in the discussions isthat most of the "naysayers" who speak ill of the Gen 4,by their own admission, do not own or have fired Gen 4 guns!Their justification is that they won't buy a "faulty" gun butinstead accept hearsay testimonials about the "Gen 4 problems" as gospel truth. If most buyers of Gen 1 gunswere as finicky as some about the Gen 4's, there wouldn'thave been Gen 2's and Gen 3's, because rumors and allegationswould have stopped Gaston's progress dead in its track!

To clear up some RTF misconceptions, there are two differet styles of RTF. The initial version, properly called RTF2 I believe, was made on a trial basic for some PD's and some made it to the local gunstores. The only ones I've seen had the "chevroned" grip grooves on the slide, also no longer available.

The initial version was rough, to say the least, and caused complaints of wearing holes in shirts/uniforms. I can't say that it did, but I did not like the feel of the texture. Many of the gripes and dismissals of RTF are based on the more aggressive version.

The current RTF on Gen 4s is toned down, has a larger, flatter texture, and is much less aggressive. I've held both RTFs, would not care for the trial version, but have no objection to the Gen 4 version.

The interchangeable backstraps on the Gen 4 are a big improvement. Some claim they're not needed, and that's true if the standard Glock grip fits one's hand. Evidently it does not for a lot of people as that is the number one complaint about Glocks. I expect to see interchangeable grips on many more handguns of all makes.

Likewise, the reversible mag release is in answer to lefties who feel left out of gun design. Problem solved.

My Glock 30 has the dual recoil spring, which works fine. I have no doubt that Glock will make (has made) it work in all calibers. It does soften recoil some. How much? That's up to each shooter.