It's true that no-one in the moderation team really understands the Balkans or knows how to control these fights.

I thought the rules of the forum were, no personal attacks, no attacks on white nationalities?

Some of Bulgarian race, whether they're from Bulgaria or Former YugoSLAV Republic of Makedonija and to a lesser extent Albanian race are posting anti-Greek and anti-Serbian propaganda and even death threats on this very forum. They also have a favourite piece of propaganda which you should please take note of - a fake genetic study performed by persons of ostensibly non-Bulgar heritage which claims Greeks are Ethiopians and are therefore trespassing in Europe, their Europe.

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Originally Posted by Megas Alexandros

I just made myself a new sign , stupid skopjians.
What's going on on this board , why are these lies toleretad here?

Your new sign will be interpreted by those with only a rudimentary knowledge of history and geography to imply that the COMMUNIST Former YugoSLAV Republic of Makedonija is Greek and that Greeks have imperialist aims upon it. Best use the previous one.

It's true that no-one in the moderation team really understands the Balkans or knows how to control these fights.

Macedonia has historically been Greek, the Slavs came in later on, some time in the 5th or 6th century (A.D.). When the Slavs who live in the Republic of Macedonia think that classical Greece and Alexander the Great was their accomplishment, that is when you have a problem. Traditionally in America and Europe, the Greeks were the ones who were credited for creating the classical world and Western civilization. It is still seen that way today….trying to change that is a root problem. Not all SLAVS claim that, but this is a classic ethnic struggle of Europe and all of the world.

Four years ago, when I first joined this forum, I had a small chat with mr. Arthur Kemp, about the racial origins of Nothern Hellenes aka Macedonians.
This conversation was on a good level and I believe that my point became clear to a lot this board`s members.
I will copy and paste it here. in case you want to link any historicaly confused person to an (at least) carefully made and informed source. It took me several days to organise it and I even had to search for my old University books and notes, but I guess the result was good indeed.
So, here it is. Feel free to use it and remember that our historical and argumentative arsenal is a nuclear one, while they just invent the bow...
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In my dissapointment,I have noticed sir that you have not bothered to engage in an in-depth analysis of the subject.

This post, shall endeavor to provide you sir,and to the members of this forum with historically accurate information,to the best of the writer's ability.Proving that Hellenes and Macedonians are one and the same.

THE BATTLE OF PYDNA, 168 B.C., AND THE SUBJUGATION OF THE NORTHERN
GREEKS TO THE ROMANS
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The Roman Consul, Aemilius Paullus, the subject of a Plutarch's Roman
Life, a brilliant strategist, and a somber, deeply religious,
virtuous and austere man, defeats the allied Greek army of the last
King Of Macedonia Perseus Philippou. Perseus' allies, included the
Epirotae (i.e. those Greeks from Epirus) and the Northern Illyrians.

NOTES/ETYMOLOGY OF GREEK NAMES:

PERSEUS:
Perseus (mythology), in Greek mythology, son of the God Zeus and
Danae, daughter of King Acrisius of Argos, Pelloponesus.

THE NORTHERN GREEK REVOLT OF 148 B.C. LED BY ANDRISCUS
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Paullus being the truly great man he was, graciously allowed
Macedonia to retain her independence, but the Greeks of Thessalia,
Macedonia and Thrace, being angry and upset at the Roman Occupation,
revolted under the leadership of a certain Macedonian known as
Andriscus, who claimed to be the son of the late King Perseus
Philippou.
This rebellion was however easily quelled by the Romans, and
Macedonia's independence was forfeited. Subsequently, Macedonia,
Epirus, Illyria, and Thessalia were fused together to become the
Roman Province Of Macedonia.

BATTLE OF LEUKOPETRA, ISTHMUS, 146 B.C.-THE SUBJUGATION OF THE
SOUTHERN GREEKS TO THE ROMANS:
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The Roman Consul Leucius Mommius crushes the allied army of the
Achaean Confederacy. In the aftermath of the battle, the Roman
Senate decreed that the remainder of Greece (i.e. from Thessalia
southwards, but not inluding Thessalia), was to form another Roman
province, henceforth known as the Roman province of Achaea.

SUMMARY: The Romans did not name the remainder of Greece from
Thessaly southwards, "Provinincia Graeca" but instead "Achaea
Province" thus recognizing that the latter province did not encompass
all of the Greek territories. Similarly, they named Northern Greece,
("Voreia Hellas") "Macedonia" due to Macedonia's Imperial past.

NOTES/ETYMOLOGY OF GREEK NAMES:

Leucius: Greek, leucus/leukos-white, "white/of pale complexion".

ACHAEA: Homeric Name for Southern Greece, and the Southern Greeks.
Used by Homer, the famous early Greek poet who wrote the Iliad and
the Odyssea.

Archaeological evidence and historical testimonies point out that circa 2200-2100 B.C. the Greek-speaking tribes are found settled in the general area of the Northern Pindus mountain range. These tribes, are the same tribes that are believed to have unattached themselves from the main body of the family of the Indo-European peoples during the 5th millenium B.C., and have been subsequently scattered over the area which is known today as Northern Greece [T.N.: i.e. historical Macedonia].

In the first centuries of the 2nd millenium B.C., there arise three
main Greek-speaking groups.

a. The South-East Group (in the general area of North-western
Thessaly); the most characteristic tribe of that group were the
Ionians.

b. The Eastern Group (in the general area of Western Macedonia),
divided into two dialectic groups, namely & respectively, the Acarnanic
and Aeolic.

c. The Western Group, where the most populous appears to be the tribe
of the Makednoi.

During the same time frame, the above Proto-Greek tribes, chronologicaly led by the Ionians, start their gradual "descent" towards the south. There, they shall come in contact with other Pro-Greek [T.N.: -pro- here denotes more ancient than and/or before
than], known as the Creto-Islanders who have attained a high level of culture.

Following on the tracks of the Ionians, the same route to the South will be followed by the Eastern Tribes, which use the Aeolic dialect.
From these tribes, who include amongst others, the Achaeans, the Lapithae and the Minyae, the Mycenean civilization will be established.

The Western Tribes, and most notably the Μakednoi, will shortly thereafter break-up. One of their tribal groups, will migrate towards the Sterea Hellas and the Pelloponesus.

Another will settle in the area of Doris, where they will mix with the local population, and will finally be named "the Dorians".

A third Makednoi tribal group will migrate to Thessaly, while the fourth group, the Makedonians will prosper in the geographical area of present-day West, South, and Central (Greek) Macedonia.

This fourth tribal group, the Makedonians, Greek-speaking like the other three tribal groups, will choose not to migrate to the South,but instead will remain for many centuries distanced from the rapidcultural progress of their kinfolk tribes, who had benefited from
their contact with the advanced civilization of the Creto-Islanders.

THIS BRIEF INTRODUCTORY SUMMARY OF THE MIGRATION OF THE GREEK-SPEAKING TRIBES FROM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH, EXPLAINS THE REFERENCE TO THE CLOSE TIES OF BLOOD BETWEEN THE DORIANS AND THE MAKEDONIANS
OFTEN ENCOUNTERED IN THE WORKS OF THE ANCIENT AUTHORS.

ACTUALLY, THE MAKEDONIANS ARE NOT DORIANS, BECAUSE AS WE HAVE SEEN ABOVE, THE NAME "DORIAN" IS LESS ANCIENT THAN THE NAME "MAKEDONIAN" BUT RATHER, THE DORIANS ARE MAKEDONIANS, SINCE BOTH TRIBES BELONG THE SAME LANGUAGE GROUP, THAT OF THE MAKEDNOI, FROM WHOM THE DORIANS DETACHED THEMSELVES IN ORDER TO MIGRATE TO THE SOUTH.

During the 8th Century B.C., the formerly distanced Makedonians, slowly begin to surface to the forefront of history. In the 7th Century B.C., the region of Orestiis (present-day Kastoria) is mentioned by the ancient historians of the era as the seat of the Makedonian Dynasty of the Argiadae and Temenidae.
To make a side note here, the name of the Makedonian Dynasty of the Argiadae gave to some early historians the impression that those Makedonian Kings were descended from Argos, Pelloponesus.

Today, many scientists believe that, that it is not from the Pelloponesean Argos that the latter Argiadae Kings are desended, butfrom Argos Oresticon (South of the modern city of Kastoria). The documented existence of the name of Argos in the region of Orestias,
is another piece of evidence that underlines the common ethnic and linguistic roots of both the Makedonians and the other southern Greek tribes. Consequently, in both cases, the name of "ARGOS" is an autochtonous name and not borrowed from elsewhere.

During the 7th and 6th Century B.C., the Makedonians move to the East of Orestias, and subsequently settle in the provinces of Pieria, Bottiaea (Bermion area), Aeordea (present-day Ptolemais) and Almopea(present-day Aridaea). Next, they move past the River Axius, and closely approach the borders of Chalcidici.

The older tribes who used to live there i.e. the Pelasgians etc., are being repulsed and in some cases assimilated. In the meantime, the relative isolation of the Makedonians from the Southern Greeks, has already begun to be waived, through the founding of colonies in
Chalcidici, and the increased activity in sea-commerce. Thus, a rapid cultural ascension is noted in Makedonia, which reaches its apogee in the days of the Makedonian Kings, Amyntas, Philippos II, and Alexander the Great.

The fact that the Makedonians were a part of the Greek world is hard to be disputed today. The new archaeological discoveries along withetymologycal analyses, as well as the unearthing of numerous new ancient inscriptions -ALL WITHOUT A SINGLE EXEPTION GREEK-featuring a rich variety of Greek names, prove beyond the slightest shadow of doubt that there is not even a brief discontinuance, neither cultural, nor linguistic of the cultural unity of the Makedonians with the rest of the Greeks.

To take a different view of the matter, the spread of the Hellenistic culture, and of the Greek language, throughout the known world by King Alexander the Great and his successors, is the most absolute proof of this fact.

And each year, this fact is continuously proven and proven again, by the new arhaeological findings, unearthed either during the extensive excavations of Pella, or Vergina, or Dion, or Sindus, or in tenths of less known locations, namely at:Boion, Kozane, Kastoria, Florina, Edessa, Aridaea, Cilcis, Kavala, and last but by no means least, Thessalonica and Chalcidici.

Lastly, ending this chapter, I would like to add that Makedonia, was the gateway Christianity used to spread the Gospel in Southern Greece.Let us remember the vision Apostle Paul had one night in Troy, whichinfluenced to a large extent the future course European matters were to take. Paul dreamt of an unknown Macedonian Man, who spoke to him in Greek,saying:"Come to Macedonia and help us". [Acts 16, 8-9].

It is truly notworthy that,Paul addressing the Macedonians wrote his
epistles and preached in Greek.

[Source: Hellenic Ministry of National Education and Religious
Affairs, softcover, "Macedonia: A history and politics", prologued by
the Minister]

MACEDONIA: MYTHS, LEGENDS, AND HISTORICAL FACTS, AS PRESENTED BY
HERODOTUS, HESIOD, AND OTHER CLASSICAL GREEK AUTHORS.

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"...According to Greek mythology, the ethnarch of the Macedonians,
was the son of Zeus and Aethra, daugther of Deukalion. His name
was "Makedon", and thus it was that his descendants came to be known
as "Makedonians".

"...Other Greek myths held that Makedon was the son, not grandson of
Deukalion, and a brother to Hellen, son of Deukalion."

"...The name Makedon in the Doric Dialect means, "he who is long"
or "he who is tall". [Greek, from Makos=Mekos, length]. Thus the
Macedonians are believed to have been tall and well built."

"...Yet another myth held that Makedon or Makednus, was the son of
Lycaon, King Of Arcadia, and a grandson of Pelasgus, who is said to
have been the first person who set foot on the Greek peninsula,
having sprung up from the ground."

"...Herodotus the Father Of History, writes that Macedonia was
inhabited by the Pelasgians, an Early Greek people. Homer, the early
Greek epic poet, makes numerous references to the Pelasgians in his
epics, numbering the traces that they have left behind of their
presence in Greece, like for instance the Pelasgic Walls of the Early
City of Athinae. Some claim that, the Pelasgians were autochthonous,
while other say that they were an Indo-European tribe that originated
in Northern Central Europe."

"...According to the local Macedonian myth, their first King was
Karanus, son of Temenos, the King Of Argos. Temenos, along with
Kresfontes and Aristodemus were the three Doric leaders who invaded
the Mycenean Pelloponesus, and smashed the Mycenean civilization.
Then they proceeded to divide the conquered territories between them,
with Kresfontes being given Messenia, Sparta and Laconia taken by
Aristodemus, and finally Temenos was given Argos. Following the death
of Temenos, the Princes argued about who should be king. One of them,
Feidon, managed to defeat his brothers in battle, and to usurp the
kingship. Karanos then, decided to find some other country where he
could be King. First, however he went to the Oracle of Delphi to ask
Pythias' advice. "You should find your kingdom there, were you will
find plenty of game and domestic animals, was her advice." Thus
Karanos and his entourage moved to the North, in search of suitable
land to establish his new kingdom. Finally, he discovered a green
valley, with a lot of game and goats, whereupon he thought that the
prophecy of Pythia has been fulfilled. Thus he built a city there,
which he named "AIGAE" [Greek: Aiga-goat]. [present day Vergina, a
site of substantial archaeological activity, as numerous important
findings have been unearthed."]

"...Another version of the same myth is presented in one of the
tragedies of Euripides, namely "ARCHELAUS"."

"...From the name of their capital, AIGAE [Greek: Aiga-goat], the
goat was one of their sacred symbols. This is attested by the
engraving of a goat, in many Macedonian coins."

"...A desendant of the Argian Dorians was thus the first King Of
Macedonia, according to the myth. But this myth, hides inside it, the
seed of truth, like almost every myth. All the subsequent Macedonian
Kings, believed that they were descended from the Dorians and Temenus.
And because the Dorians, were also known as the "Heraclidae" (i.e.
Herculeans) because they were said to be descended from the Hero
Heracles . Consequently, the MACEDONIANS WORSHIPPED HERACLES AS THEIR
ANCESTOR. He was their National Hero, a fact proven by the numerous
shrines and temples devoted to him, by the numerous inscriptions
found to refer to him, and finally, by his face which is found carved
in many objects and marbles. The coat of arms of King Philippus II,
found engraved on his shield at his tomb in Vergina, is Heracles' War
Club."

"...The name "Macedonia" is first mentioned by Herodotus, the Father
of History. Homer only refers to the Pelasgian tribes that used to
inhabit Macedonia, prior to the arrival of the Dorians/Macedonians.
Homer also mentions the NORTHERN NEIGHBOURS OF THE PELASGIANS, KNOWN
AS PAEONAE, AND THEIR KING, PYRRAICHMES WHO TOOK PART IN THE SIEGE OF TROY."

NOTES/ETYMOLOGY OF GREEK NAMES:
[PYRRAICHMES: Greek, Pyrros=red, aichme=point of the sword, or
arrowhead.]

ALEXANDROS I, KING OF MACEDONIA
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[Adressing the envoys of the King Of Persia]

"When you go back to whence you came, back to your King, tell him,
that you have been well received by a GREEK KING."

ALEXANDROS I, KING OF MACEDONIA
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[Adressing the Hellanodicae, the officials of the Olympic Games]

"I came hither as a Greek, son of a Greek, to take part in the
Olympic Games"
(At first he was denied participation as a non-Greek, but he was able
to produce evidence proving his Greek ancesry and was thus allowed to
take part in the Games, whereupon he won, and was immortalized as an
Olympionices)

ALEXANDER THE GREAT ADRESSING THE DEAD OF THE BATTLE OF CHAERONIA:
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"HOLY SHADOWS OF THE DEAD, I AM NOT TO BLAME FOR YOUR CRUEL AND
BITTER FATE, BUT THE ACCURSED RIVALRY WHICH BROUGHT SISTER NATIONS,
AND BROTHER PEOPLE, TO FIGHT ONE ANOTHER. I DO NOT FEEL HAPPY FOR
THIS VICTORY OF MINE. ON THE CONTRARY I WOULD BE GLAD BROTHERS, IF I
HAD ALL OF YOU STANDING NEXT TO ME HERE, SINCE WE ARE UNITED BY THE
SAME LANGUAGE, THE SAME BLOOD AND THE SAME VISIONS."

[Curtius Rufus, Historia]

DEMARATUS, CORINTHIAN GENERAL
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[Adressing Alexander, on the occassion of his being prolaimed Marshal
Of The Hellenes, by the Pan-Hellenic conference of Corinth.]

[Inscription found scribbled on all the loot Alexander send back to
the Oracle of Delphi to honour God Apollo]

ALEXANDROS FILIPPOU KAI OI HELLENES, PLiN LAKEDAEMONION.

ALEXANDER SON OF PHILIPPUS, AND THE HELLENES (GREEKS) EXCEPT THE
SPARTANS.

ALEXANDER I, KING OF MACEDONIA
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[Adressing the Allied Greek Army's representatives opposite the army
of Mardonius, acting Field Marshal of the Persian King Xerxes I, on
the eve of the Battle of Plataea]

"Because I am Greek too, and seeing your indesisiveness, I feared
that you may srike camp and run away, I came to tell you that the
morale of Mardonius' army is in it's lowest ebb, and I strongly urge
you to strike tommorow when Mardonius least expects it."

Quite frankly, I could have proceeded to write tenths of pages more,
with referrence to the ties between the Achaeans,Dorians and the Macedonians,the Southern and Nothern Greeks.

The Dorians,Achaeans and the Macedonians, kinfolk, brother people, were
Greece's very best. If it wasn't for them, Greece would have
certainly occupied subsantially less space in World Ηistory than she
does now.

I do sincerely hope so that this post has been of assistance to you
sir.I hope that you will review your claims and you won`t attack Hellenism again.

Funny how a purported White Nationalist site doesn't have enough nous to realise that the greatest defenders of Europe against non-white hordes from cannibal Asia are Greeks, Serbs, Armenians, Romanians and Russians and that anyone that constantly attacks them must, in all probability be a genetic and phenotypical Muslim or Mongol or both? Not to mention Judaeo-COMMUNIST.

Agenda anyone?

Now that you mention it, it is really weird that it's not generally understood here - and could be simply by looking at a map! The dumbing down of America began in earnest over thirty years ago and I am continually horrified in seeing its effects.

Shame is a heavy burden also and those with enough education to feel it may still be uncomfortable with discussing it - I allude to America's deranged betrayal of our White Christian brethren of Serbia, for their support of UN Marxist policies and just as bad, siding with the bloody Turks over Cyprus in the 1970s. I had no control over any of that and I still feel this shame over Serbia myself - particularly because I was baptized in the Serbian Cathedral in Saint Louis and had close ties with my Serbian god-parents throughout my youth.

There is also ego to consider. Many younger SF activists like to think they are starting with something new and untried; being around people who know everything about the adversary already and have already done and tried everything hundreds of years before makes them feel like foolish beginners so they prefer to believe that our battles and our history are not related - when they are in fact completely connected. This fight after all, is an old one, an old story and in the end, the same old enemies, too.

So who are the shiptars and turkoi around here? I can see I've been missing a lot because I was busy with school - returning education for old adult - and I'd neither energy nor solar power left to come here much.

Then, there is language. As all of you have pointed out, most of the moderators depend upon translations for any idea of what goes on and that's going to be a case of 'let the best talker win.' I'd be glad to help the Americans when it comes to Greek -I'm slow from lack of practice but my translations are accurate and at least a few of the moderators know they can trust them - but I'm sure we need much more help for the rest of our East European languages.

Now that you mention it, it is really weird that it's not generally understood here - and could be simply by looking at a map! The dumbing down of America began in earnest over thirty years ago and I am continually horrified in seeing its effects.

I think they're trying to dumb down the rest of us to make us easy to control. One thing the Australians just this year realised is that replacing history and geography with social-studies - a catch all for all degenerate COMMUNIST ideas has resulted in an utter dumbing down of the Australian youth, so this year they announced their new curriculum with great emphasis on traditional studies such as history, geography and English.

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Originally Posted by hoganjane

Shame is a heavy burden also and those with enough education to feel it may still be uncomfortable with discussing it - I allude to America's deranged betrayal of our White Christian brethren of Serbia, for their support of UN Marxist policies and just as bad, siding with the bloody Turks over Cyprus in the 1970s. I had no control over any of that and I still feel this shame over Serbia myself - particularly because I was baptized in the Serbian Cathedral in Saint Louis and had close ties with my Serbian god-parents throughout my youth.

No need to feel shame, redemption can be attained.

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Originally Posted by hoganjane

This fight after all, is an old one, an old story and in the end, the same old enemies, too.

That's why knowledge of history is one of our greatest weapons. It also serves to engender pride in a person for himself and his race. History is the memory of the race and the nation. Without it we are as a person without memory is, zombies even.

The enemy has done well to replace it with ugly Negro music from the jungle, human-trash types gyrating and making ridiculous noises and so on and so forth. In stead of idolising real life heroes such as Jesus Christ, Pythagoras, Achilles, Alexander, Napoleon, Edison, Pasteur and the like, we get have an intense analysis and discussion about Britney vomiting in the toilet or Angelina adopting another creature from Africa.

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Originally Posted by hoganjane

So who are the shiptars and turkoi around here?

They come and go in raids like the barbarians they are. Provocation is their weapon of choice - trying to set white tribe against white tribe.

I absolutely agree with the above comment by Nodecam, that knowledge of history is our strongest weapon, and I want to add that knowledge is also the only key to the truth.

I want to explain to the members of this forum and of this thread particulary, how I see the whole Fyromian or Vardaskan issue.

If a bunch of people, without achievements, uncertain past and even more uncertain future, without anything to be proud of, choose to adopt the name "Manjouria" for their new founded state, name their capital Benjing and their national airport "Ming", just to add some of the glory of the Chinese civilization to their miserable lives, (even If they don`t even speak a single Chinese word themselves), none will take them seriously, but probably; many will recognise them in the logic that "If a mentaly ill believes that he is Napoleon Bonaparte, then let him believe so".
China of course would just boo them, and the simple stuff ends here.

What follows is what makes things complicated. Generation after generation, the invention will become belief. Actually these people they`ll really believe that they are original Manjourians. And then thoughts and talks about "liberation" of their homeland will begin.
So, one day these people will start a campaign to liberate Manjouria, and they`ll receive by the Chinese a big slap on their faces. Then, they`ll fall back to inexistance again.

Some centuries later, an opportunity to found a new state will reappear and this time they`ll probably call it "Azteca", their capital "Tenoxtitlan" and their national airport "Montezuma". Sortly after, they`ll start a campaign to liberate Mexico, and so on...