fusillade762:John Buck 41: fusillade762: Though if you wanted to discuss where the movie REALLY failed you could talk about their abysmal understanding of how Texas Hold 'Em is played...

Okay...so?

People went all in with LESS money than the leading player and you were given the impression that they would win the tournament if they won the hand. Though I guess it kind of makes sense in a dramatic license kind of way because dealing with side bets and such would get messy fast.

fusillade762:LDM90: fusillade762: LDM90: Worst Bond ever. The movies are not fun to watch like a James Bond movie should be. He doesn't even say "Bond, James Bond." He could be just any action movie character. There's nothing about him that makes him James Bond.

ZOMG HE DOESN'T EVEN CARE IF HIS MARTINI IS SHAKEN OR STIRRED!!!

/you'll get over it

If you walked in and the movie was playing at some point after the opening credits, there's a good chance you could go through the rest of it never knowing you were watching James Bond.

/action movie star #436

Except for the fact that he actually DOES say the line "Bond, James Bond" at the end of Casino Royale and they DO use the music (the fact that the Bond theme doesn't play earlier is intentional).

The song's ("You Know My Name") main notes are played throughout the film as a substitute for the James Bond theme, to represent Bond's youth and inexperience. The classic theme only plays during the end credits to signal the climax of his character arc.

CASINO ROYALE has the best use of the 'Bond, James Bond' line in the history of the films.

That one closing scene cemented Craig as my personal favorite Bond of all, edging out evenConnery.

I just hope that in SKYFALL they mix in just a wee bit of Roger Moore-style smoothness withoutremoving any of his thuggishness.

DjangoStonereaver:Brosnan, even in the worst of his films, was at least always watchable, and GOLDENEYE is probablyone of the top 5 of all the Bond films because of his presence.

Hell yeah. You could tell he was having fun chugging vodka, bedding girls and killing the bad guys. I know the humorless thug is closer to the books but what works in a book is different from the screen.

My personal favorite. Although, aside from Goldeneye, he was kinda stuck with some inferior......stuff.

I agree. Although Tomorrow Never Dies and The World is Not Enough weren't terrible. They just didn't stand out. The World is Not Enough had a great theme song though. Mmm, Shirley Manson.

Die Another Day was pure crap though, except for the beginning where Bond was captured and tortured for months. They just didn't go anywhere with it and it got all nonsensical.

Brosnan, even in the worst of his films, was at least always watchable, and GOLDENEYE is probablyone of the top 5 of all the Bond films because of his presence.

Goldeneye is my favorite Bond flick and one of the reasons was how well I thought Brosnan captured the jaded agent angle. It was his first Bond movie, but watching it gave the sense he'd been Bond for quite a while. He wasn't new to the job, he was good at it and at times didn't look like he enjoyed it. M's line about Brosnan being a "dinosaur" and "relic" worked -it would not have with the Remington Steele era Brosnan. For the record, I thought Dalton pulled off the sense of wary experience well, too. Too often it was clear Moore didn't take the character seriously.I like to think the first image we get of each Bond can capture the overall essence of that Bond. What's the first thing we see each of them doing?Connery:tux, gambling, winning, being slick, picking up the babeLazenby:tux, driving aimlessly, getting his car stolenMoore: bathrobe,frat boy 'hide the babe from the boss' scene, likes espressoDalton: black fatigues, jumps out of plane, training gone wrong, kills a dudeBrosnan: black fatigues, commando raid, impossible stunt, kills lots of dudesCraig: suit, brutal fight, outfoxes smug dude, kills both of themRoger Moore was the Bond I first saw in the theatres, I will always like his movies, but Moore thought the character was ridiculous and that's how he played him. I much prefer the way the three guys after him have presented their takes.

LDM90:Worst Bond ever. The movies are not fun to watch like a James Bond movie should be. He doesn't even say "Bond, James Bond." He could be just any action movie character. There's nothing about him that makes him James Bond.

Tired old cliches. If you want "Bond, James Bond", there are 20 other films where you can already get that. It was time for new blood and new style, and "Casino Royale" was just the ticket.

Your_Huckleberry:Goldeneye is my favorite Bond flick and one of the reasons was how well I thought Brosnan captured the jaded agent angle. It was his first Bond movie, but watching it gave the sense he'd been Bond for quite a while. He wasn't new to the job, he was good at it and at times didn't look like he enjoyed it. M's line about Brosnan being a "dinosaur" and "relic" worked -it

GoldenEye was the Boobies-cold war Bond movie. Bond was as M said, a relic of the Cold War. But he got the opportunity to be a spy again and all the post-cold war Russian stuff was more interesting than the usual villain back story, especially the scenes with Robbie Coltrane's character. Brosnan's Bond in that film was a cold blooded killer who also enjoyed the finer things in life in between killing. His motivations were even psycho-analyzed by his former partner, played by perennial dead guy, Sean Bean. And the movie made for a kick ass video game.

I remember cringing when Pierce Brosnan was first put forward as a possible Bond in the 80's (when they chose Dalton).

Then I saw Fourth Protocol. Holy crap he was an amazing cold-blooded killer (which is what the Bond of the books is). Casino Royale made in the early 90's with Brosnan would've been incredible (not that I dont think Craig's wasn't great).

/if you haven't read the books, do so.//same goes for Bourne - the BI had many more (wonderful) layers that weren't covered in the movie

GRCooper:I remember cringing when Pierce Brosnan was first put forward as a possible Bond in the 80's (when they chose Dalton).

Then I saw Fourth Protocol. Holy crap he was an amazing cold-blooded killer (which is what the Bond of the books is). Casino Royale made in the early 90's with Brosnan would've been incredible (not that I dont think Craig's wasn't great).

Oh, so this.

Everyone expected Brosnan to be Roger Moore 2.0 because of his work on REMINGTON STEELE.Who knew the bastard could act? I think he pulled off the tortured, dark James Bond even betterthan Dalton, though Dalton was saddled with crappy scripts and, economics aside he deserved atleast one more movie that wasn't either a re-written Moore script or an extended MIAMI VICE episode.

Jonny Ninja:I used to be a big Moore fan, but having rewatched more of the Connery's recently, Moore's work is just to cheesey/camp.

I will say Live and Let Die is one of my all time favorites though.

LaLD is basically a blacksploitation film, and hasn't aged well on the edges.

Alas, most of Moore's tenure was camp cheese, but at least he pulled off FOR YOUR EYES ONLY,which is also in my personal Top 5, since it was one of the few times Moore's Bond had a stone coldkiller moment (when he shoved Locque's car down the cliff) and was all around a good (if still cheeseflavoured) espionage story.

DjangoStonereaver:Jonny Ninja: I used to be a big Moore fan, but having rewatched more of the Connery's recently, Moore's work is just to cheesey/camp.

I will say Live and Let Die is one of my all time favorites though.

LaLD is basically a blacksploitation film, and hasn't aged well on the edges.

Alas, most of Moore's tenure was camp cheese, but at least he pulled off FOR YOUR EYES ONLY,which is also in my personal Top 5, since it was one of the few times Moore's Bond had a stone coldkiller moment (when he shoved Locque's car down the cliff) and was all around a good (if still cheeseflavoured) espionage story.

DjangoStonereaver:fusillade762: LDM90: fusillade762: LDM90: Worst Bond ever. The movies are not fun to watch like a James Bond movie should be. He doesn't even say "Bond, James Bond." He could be just any action movie character. There's nothing about him that makes him James Bond.

ZOMG HE DOESN'T EVEN CARE IF HIS MARTINI IS SHAKEN OR STIRRED!!!

/you'll get over it

If you walked in and the movie was playing at some point after the opening credits, there's a good chance you could go through the rest of it never knowing you were watching James Bond.

/action movie star #436

Except for the fact that he actually DOES say the line "Bond, James Bond" at the end of Casino Royale and they DO use the music (the fact that the Bond theme doesn't play earlier is intentional).

The song's ("You Know My Name") main notes are played throughout the film as a substitute for the James Bond theme, to represent Bond's youth and inexperience. The classic theme only plays during the end credits to signal the climax of his character arc.

CASINO ROYALE has the best use of the 'Bond, James Bond' line in the history of the films.

That one closing scene cemented Craig as my personal favorite Bond of all, edging out evenConnery.

I just hope that in SKYFALL they mix in just a wee bit of Roger Moore-style smoothness withoutremoving any of his thuggishness.

I am looking forward to this. If they can get back the all round action movie goodness of CR, mix in some of the humour of Moore/Brosnan and some of Connery's swarve smoothness then it will be an excellent move. Judging by the trailer things are looking good.

Personally I liked Brosnan, I am glad that reading this thread I am not as alone as I was beginning to think I was.

I also love The Living Daylights, for all it's faults it was what was needed after the A View To A Kill which while quite good really overdoes the silliness. In a way Casino Royale is to Die another day what The Living Daylights was to A View to a Kill.