The Revolution Muslim Fellow Who ‘Warned’ The SOUTH PARK Guys Gets 25 Years In Prison!!

The 21-year-old American who “warned” Trey Parker and Matt Stone that they would be murdered for depicting the prophet Muhammad in last April’s 200th episode of “South Park” was sentenced Thursday to 25 years in prison for aiding Al-Shabaab, which the U.S. government has designated a terrorist organization.

In one of the douchiest moves in recorded history, Chesser spoke of violent retribution against Parker and Stone on the Revolution Muslim website last April, and provided the addresses of both the “South Park” production offices and the offices of Comedy Central.

Chesser also posted the addresses of cartoonists – the ones he believed were planning to demonsrate support for the “South Park” team’s First Amendment rights with an “Everyboody Draw Muhammad Day.”

From The Hollywood Reporter:

"Zachary Chesser will spend 25 years in prison for advocating the murder of U.S. citizens for engaging in free speech about his religion," U.S. Attorney Neil MacBride said Thursday. "His actions caused people throughout the country to fear speaking out -- even in jest -- to avoid being labeled as enemies who deserved to be killed."

...Hope breakfast, lunch AND dinner in the slam consists of nothing but bacon, pork sausages, biscuits with bits of bacon and pork sausages baked into them with pork sausage and pork fat gravy, pork frankfurters with green beans, collard greens and spinach boiled with ham hocks, pork chops fried in pork fat with french fries fried in pork lard and pork fritters with pork fat-infused ice cream for desert. Also a special Baked ham for Ramadan and other religious holidays. P.S.: FUCK YOU!

I respect most religions (scientology is about the only one I LOL at), so this hopefully won't degrade into the racist filth you see on yahoo or TMZ boards. I can say that this fucker deserves it without condemning an entire religion or race. No one should be made to live in fear of their lives for expressing an idea or criticism. Fuck him.

This guy make a THREAT, not actually committing a crime (yet) and gets 25 years. Yet christian child rapists get covered up by their club. Not sure where I follow the logic. Certainly this guy should go to jail though.

To post even this, I felt it necessary to rout my Internet connection through 7 different locations (plus another 2 that I won't even tell you about just to be safe) to throw off any killers from wanting to kill me and my non-Midwest living family that doesn't even live in the Midwest.

...who, whenever someone rightly points out some of the nasty bullshit that islamists are spewing out across the world, starts to go "but see, christians are bad too, there are child rapists among them and they also killed a lot of people during the crusades hundreds of years ago..." as if that somehow justifies what the islamist fuckers are doing today.
Please shut the fuck up. It has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Besides, it's not like there are orginazed groups of Christians that exist for the purposes of raping your children. There are, however, organized groups of muslims that exist for the purposes of killing you and everyone you care about just because you don't share their beliefs. And I'm talking here and now, not centuries ago and in ways that have nothing to do with how the religion is practiced today. See the difference there?

Why do these guys (and gals) try to fit in by associating themselves with the worst aspects of a religion?
John Walker Lindh, Colleen LaRose, now this guy.
Other Muslims are gonna start to sigh when they see a white boy walk into a mosque for prayers.
Lonely childhoods perhaps?

Because when Neo-Nazi skinheads are lambasting Jews, they're just criticizing a religion, not a race of people. Right. Remember when Hitler gave Jews the option of the gas chamber or renouncing Judaism? Yeah, me neither.
With regards to racism toward Islam, I've seen plenty of people criticize that religion without using racism. It's when they start throwing around words like "towel head" and "sand @$)!" that they can no longer hide their true colors.
But, as Herc noted, Chesser is white, so racism won't be necessary in this thread. I still have no doubt it will find its way in here though.

Nice little straw man argument you concocted there. Nice grammar too. Please show me where I said what you claim I said. Actually, don't even bother trying, because you can't. But then you already knew that, didn't you?

jews dont strap bombs on themselves and blow up innocent civilians
jews dont threaten to kill someone if mockery is made of the torah or moses
islam is not a religion...it is a radical political movement, and its followers are all insane
good thing that in the arab countries,they are starting to kill each other
let us pray that the insanity spreads throughout the islamic world and america will not be forced to finally nuke the bastards off the planet
amen

I have little personal sympathy for this guy, or any of these islamic fundamentalist douchebags, but just as a general concept, putting any human being in prison for 25 years for a vague death threat seems a bit much. If we start doing that half of all Youtube subscribers would be lifers.

Molly Norris is in hiding due to her life being in danger because she pissed off the adherents of one specific "religion". But if you name that "religion", and point out all the other people who have had their lives threatened or even ended because of it, you are promoting "hatred and intolerance". Funny about that, eh?

But over 90 percent of Arabs are Muslim. Which is why attacking Arabs is a common line of attack among racists who attack Islam, especially American racists. Remember the crazy cat lady at the McCain rally in '08 who said of Obama "He's an Arab."
There's a common misconception among the more idiotic racists in our country that Islam is a predominantly Arab religion, perhaps because their stupidity simply does not allow distinctions between a brown person from the Middle East and a brown person from say, Indonesia.
But, back to the point, you missed the part where I said I've seen plenty of people attack Islam without being racist. I didn't tie your hands did I? If I did, I hereby untie them--rant on!

The only difference between it and other religions is simply that it's newer. If given a few thousand (or a few hundred) years to gain followers and take hold, perhaps it will be seen as a "legitimate" faith on the level of Christianity or Judaism. Maybe that's why so many people like me laugh at it -- it scares the hell out of us.
When I first heard of scientology, I thought for years that it was created to satirize the concept of religion. When I read more into it, and realized that people took this shit seriously, I could only shake my head.
One disadvantage faced by scientology is that we live in an age where truth can be disseminated like wildfire, and dissidents aren't (at least in this country) executed as heretics or infidels. Still, I've read that scientology, in keeping with the grand traditions of prominent religions, uses the same practice of fear to keep its followers in line.

You seem like a reasonably knowledgeable guy, so I think you know as well as I do that the troubles in Ireland run a lot deeper than just religious beliefs, whereas the islamist deal is basically "if you won't believe the same as me, you need to die".
I'm certainly not going to deny that there is a lot of Christian douchebaggery left in the world even to this day, but come on - there is nothing that's anywhere near as bad as the very real and very dangerous worldwide muslim terrorist networks.
In any case, this particular discussion has distracted me from the point I was trying to make (thereby, ironically; further underscoring it): Whenever a discussion on the evils of islamism comes along, there's always someone jumping in to derail it by bringing up how "Christianity is bad, too". Well, so what if is? That's a different topic entirely. The rampant islamism in the world today is still a HUGE, real and important problem, so why can't we talk about it without having someone try to get everyone to ignore it by shifting the topic to completely irrelevant issues concerning *other* religions?

It's a good thing I only cautioned against the use of racism then, instead of actually accusing anyone of it, huh? Then again, making that distinction requires more than a sixth grade reading comprehension.

Very good points. It seems as though if you say something against Islam, you are "supposed" to qualify it by also mentioning the evils of other religions, especially Christianity, otherwise you are "promoting hatred and intolerance". However, no such "rule" exists for Christianity. You can make any derogatory comment you like about Christianity without having to qualify it by also making derogatory comments about Islam or any other religion. Funny how that works, eh?

Muslims are definitely more dangerous in terms of threat of violence. But really, there's like a 0.001% chance that a muslim fundamentalist is going to negatively affect my life. And Christian fundamentalists are already negatively affecting my life on a daily basis.

Free Speech
Muslims:have done nothing to reduce my freedom of speech
Christians:MPAA decides that seeing someone curse or seeing a bare tit is more offensive than seeing a hundred people get their heads blown off. PG-13 cut of an oscar nominated film has to be made because there is a part in it where a guy says 'fuck' 2 more times than the 'christian' values allow.
Freedom of sexuality
Muslims: have done nothing to limit my freedom of sexuality
Christians: Created an environment where homosexuals cannot marry or enjoy a legal civil union, and in many states have actually legalized what a person can and cannot do legally in their own bedroom.
Freedom of what I can put in my body
Muslims: have not affected my right to put what I decide into my own body
Christians: have made arbitrary laws stating that *how* I decide to get high determines whether I am spending 10 years in prison, or am a 'christian dad'.
I mean from here the list can go and on, in any area of violation of personal freedom, Christians are the primary offenders. You can piss and moan all you want about the harm Muslims cause in *other* countries, but as you can plainly see from my list, Christians are the current number one threat to American freedom.

Look at the Bible and other religious books. They tell stories that simply are not possible. Dude who saved animals from a flud(Aquaman basically). They believe in some evil dude beneath the ground whose only goal is to torture people forever(any villain). They believe in giant invisible monsters that control our actions on this planet(Galactus). The only difference between religious people and nerds are that nerds have books that are better written and illustrated.
You can stop with the Islam hate because Christians are just as bad or worse. You've got violent one's(The one's killing doctors because Jesus said abortions were bad). Then you've got one's out in the fly over states that kill gays(like that makes sense). Also why is it okay when Christians go around the world carrying Bibles? Is it because they bring "aid" with them. They are still trying to convert. Yet people converting to Islam is looked at as a threat here. Also Muslim extremists are straight up frankly. When they hate someone they straight up attack them. Here Christians are trying to change everyone through changing the government. Look at them attempting to sneak in way to stop gay marriage and end abortions... In other words limiting people's rights. So yeah you can just pump the breaks on the hate for Islam because the Bible pushers are just as bad. Or at least just admit they are equal.
Also this guy isn't going to jail for threatening the South Park guys. He's going because of a connection to terrorist networks.

...is just your western American culture, not Christianity. But hey, I can see how you'd have a hard time telling the two apart, many Christians do as well. But the MPAA is not a Christian organization, and to insinuate that only Christians are behind anti-drug laws is just stupid (Quick question: Where in the Bible does it preach against marijuana?). As for "creating an environment where homosexuals cannot marry, etc." - nice try, but you need only go back a couple decades to find a society where EVERYONE, not just religious people, "knew" homosexuality was wrong and dirty and bad, bad, bad. It's not like this attitude is something Christians have been inventing recently, it's been well ingrained in your culture for quite some time.
Also, I don't see how your "American freedom" is any more important than my "other countries" one. In any case, if you think your "freedom" would've improved if Christians in your country had been replaced by Muslims, think again. Present day Islam is about a billion times more conservative than present day Christianity.

Wow. I don't know whether to laugh or cry at your post. Clearly, you are the biggest idiot in this talkback. Seriously.
"You can stop with the Islam hate because Christians are just as bad or worse." - right.... see my previous posts. Even if that is true about Christians, why should we stop criticizing Islam when it's necessary?
"You've got violent one's(The one's killing doctors because Jesus said abortions were bad)." - Jesus said abortions were bad? That's a new one. Also, how many Christians actually kill doctors? Got any statistics there? Do you seriously think the rare occasional nutjob is at all comparable to the amount of Islamist terrorists who are willing to kill, oh, just about anyone?
"Also why is it okay when Christians go around the world carrying Bibles? Is it because they bring "aid" with them. They are still trying to convert." - Yeah, and? All religions to that. Political parties, too. Basically any ideology you can think of will actively try to recruit people to their "side". Most of them do it because they believe that their particular ideology will improve mankind.
"Also Muslim extremists are straight up frankly. When they hate someone they straight up attack them." - Well, how incredibly considerate of them. And I guess that's why there's never any secrecy surrounding these groups and everyone knows ahead of time when and where they will strike.
"Here Christians are trying to change everyone through changing the government. " - And that's somehow worse than massacre of innocent people. Because they're being "straight up" about it, so I'm told...
"Look at them attempting to sneak in way to stop gay marriage and end abortions... " - If by "sneak in" you mean " through democratic methods in plain sight for all to see", sure...
"So yeah you can just pump the breaks on the hate for Islam because the Bible pushers are just as bad. Or at least just admit they are equal." - No. They are not. The truth is there simply is no ideology in the world today more dangerous than extreme Islamism. You know it, I know it. Let's call a spade a spade. You can drop the PC act, you're not gonna score any brownie points.

... much like Judaism. Christianity, however, was cobbled together from Judaism, ancient Roman Era apocalyptic Hebrew sects, ancient Middle Eastern mysticism and 4th Century Roman paganism overlaid over very ancient Egyptian Osiris cultism with a good shot of Zoroastrianism and Mithraism resulting in an inconsistent cargo cult of a religion, if you will.

Followers of Islam are working hard to limit all the freedoms you mentioned, all over the world, especially free speech. You're just too fucking dumb to realize it. Earlier I mentioned Molly Norris. Who do you think tried to limit her freedom of speech to the point that she had to go into hiding for fear of her life because she said something they didn't like? It damn sure wasn't Christians. Who recently tried to get the UN to pass a resolution limiting speech critical of religions? Again, it wasn't Christians. I could go on and on but why should I do your work for you? The information is out there and it's not that hard to find. But then you have to want to find it. Maybe you prefer blissful ignorance.

We would find something to kill/repress each over. As another South Park pointed out in another episode, we just seem to automatically divide up over trivial differences, and then go about demonizing each other for those minor differences to the point people are willing to kill over them. We just need to grow up as a species.

Yeah, he's pretty much the Muslim equivalent of a redneck, right? Trying to enforce his vision of religion on the rest of us instead of *trusting* God to do enforce it himself. The idea of an all-powerful God needing help from us to spread the message is stupid. Anyway, a Muslim terrorist is the same as an evangelical Christian in my opinion- "My way is the BEST way!", except rednecks don't blow people up.

Jews are mostly Hebrew. Judaism isn't exactly a religion one can convert to easily. As such, Jews tend to be fairly ethnically homogeneous.
There are Arab Jews as well, but their numbers are much smaller.

Rombert Chambliss, Thomas Blanton, Bob Cherry, and Herman Cash, responsible for the 1963 bombing of a Birmingham church that killed four black girls. Timothy McVeigh and his co-conspirators in Oklahoma after killing over 160 people. Joseph Bailie, arrested after attempting to copy McVeigh and blow up an IRS building in Reno. Willie Ray Lampley and co-conspirators arrested for conspiring to bomb abortion clinics and gay bars. Eric Rudolph -- abortion clinic and 1996 Olympic bomber. 12 members of an AZ militia group who were arrested in 1996 after surveilling several government buildings; they are found to have 400 pounds of ammonium nitrate. 7 militia members arrested in 1996 for conspiring to blow up an FBI building in West Virginia, where 1,000 people work. Chris Scott Gilliam, a neo-Nazi arrested while plotting a mail bombing campaign of terror. God I could go on and on, and those are only a FEW of the bombings and attempted bombings JUST from the 90s!
There are also the gun-related murders and attempted murders of judges, federal judges and abortion doctors in the past twenty years, the murder of Jewish radio personality Alan Berg by white supremacists in 1984, the murders of 3 Pittsburgh police officers by a man believing Obama was going to strike down gun rights. Jim David Adkisson, who killed two parishioners and wounded several others at a progressive church in Tennessee. And just the other day, Shawna Forde, the leader of Minutemen American Defense, was sentenced to die for masterminding the home invasion killing of a Latino man and his 9-year-old daughter in 2009; to motive was to steal alleged drug money from the victim to fund Forde's "activism."
My point being that America has suffered a far greater number of homegrown terrorist attacks and murders than attacks and murders by Muslims. So yes "rednecks," as you say, have killed for their beliefs.

Draw a picture of good ole Mohammad (nine year old girls be upon him) and post it on the internet in a public forum or blow and see what happens. I dare ya.
Here, I'll help you out. Depict the scene when Mohammad (PB&J) consummates his marriage to 9 year old Aisha. The exact moment when he rams it up her little pooper.
Do it! Don't be a shit talking pussy now.

severian1x says Muslims are trying to limit smackfu's rights more than Christians and cites Molly Norris as an example. So what right did Molly Norris try to exercise? She organized "Everybody draw Mohammed" day. This is a woman who is going out of her way to attempt to incite and offend people. smackfu isn't going around trying to incite Christians (as far as I know). The two aren't comparable. <p>
Now, ask Aidan Quinn about his show "The Book of Daniel" where he played a pastor who talks to Jesus, and he'll tell you about the death threats that were issued by Christians who wanted that show to get off the air.

Take the "ginger kids" episode for example. That episode was meant illustrate how ridiculous Cartman's racism was (and racism in general). And that bigotry could just as easily be created against an arbitrary group, like redheads. If South Park fans understood the message, it should have made them more tolerant and less hateful towards all groups. What was the real end result? A facebook organized "Kick a Ginger" day, and violence against redhead kids increased severalfold as a result of the episode and morons who just don't get it.

is historic. the near 90 year dominance of fianna fail has been ended and Fine Gael are now the largest party in Ireland. with 66 seats and counting. and with labour's 33 that gives the new coalition a thumping majority of 88 seats. there were great wins for the indies, sinn feinn now have 13 seats. greens were wiped out but they will be back.

...interesting, and I did know that. Also the fact that the Quran is just the Readers' Digest condensed version of the Torah and the Gospels with some added material. Still, for outright illogical, mumbo-jumbo, inconsistent loopiness, nothing beats Christianity.

Seriously, I want to know! Celtic written words bear absolutely no relation to how the same combinations of letter are pronounced in any other language. It's actually kinda cool, but I can never figure out how to proberly pronounce anything.

...So when the fuck is the FBI going to get around to investigating the Roman Catholic Church, who have, for thousands of years, been enslaving, molesting, and raping generations of children and trying to cover up the fact? Seems like the RICO Statute could easily be applicable. When is the Pope going to be doing a perp walk? Mother fucking hypocrites!

Son of a butch, you just became my favorite TBer in this post.
Bobo, well said regarding South Park's satire. What amazes me more is that people ignore the occasional positive message in the show. Case in point, a couple days ago they reran the episode where the boys get shipped to Afghanistan. As much stuff the show has on it that can be construed as basically "Fuck america", they close with a fantastic quote where Kyle repositions a burnt American flag to a standing position and proceeds to say something along the lines of "Yeah, America has a ton of problems that we need to fix. But at the end of the day, it's our country. It's our team. And if you don't like your team, you can get out of the stadium."

You are right restyles, religion will never go away as long as we humans are social creatures. We have been living in social groups for millennia, and are hard-wired to form and conform to social hierarchies. Our ancestors who didn't live in social groups had much less chances of passing on their genes, and died out. Thus, religions and politics (familial, social, country, etc. - think about it, the two are really not very different at all, it's all about power and social standing) hold a very strong grip on us, whether we like it or not. Even when religions die due to the overwhelming evidence that they are simply fairy tales, something else will take their place, until we no longer are bound into societies.

or does the site feel a lot deader than it used to? I'm being serious, I can't tell... I'll look at the top TB's and see that nobody has posted in them for a while, then randomly click on something else and see a lot of posts, mostly recent, but still not as many as I used to... can't tell if it's an error with the top TB's or if the traffic is down. Oh well...

I don't have time to think of anything overly creative to say so I'll just throw a "FUCK YEAH" in here to celebrate the fact that the little asshole who "warned" Trey and Matt is getting EXACTLY what he deserved. The sad thing about this is this little bastard probably doesn't really care about Muslim ideals, he's just a sad scared little tool who needs friends and a place to belong. He's no different or better than Michael Rappaport's character from Higher Learning, a similar lonely little tool with no mind of his own who got what he deserved (death). Have fun feasting on the cock-meat sandwich douche bag.

You've missed the point entirely. You're talking about hypothetical scenarios. I'm talking about what is *actually* affecting my life *right now*. I'm not debating which ideology is better, I'm saying Muslims have zero affect on my day to day life, whereas Christians do, ergo I resent them far more. Muslim fundamentalism is the scourge of the middle east, but who gives a shit about the middle east? Christian fundamentalism is the scourge of North America, it's in MY home, actively soiling it as we speak.

No, I did not say "Muslims are trying to limit smackfu's rights more than Christians". You really like those straw man arguments, don't you?
To answer your question as to what right Molly Norris tried to exercise, it was her right to free speech, fool. Standing up for that right was the whole point. She was not trying to incite or offend anyone, in fact, shortly after coming up with the idea she tried to disassociate herself from the whole thing, and apologized for causing any offence. Unfortunately, her attempt at appeasement did not work, and she still ended up having to go into hiding under threat of death.
As to what this has to do with smackfu's concerns about his freedom of speech, when one person's right to freedom of speech is threatened to the point that they have to go into hiding, then everyone's freedom of speech is under threat. If you can't understand that then you truly are a fool.
Oh yeah, and "LOL@Molly Norris"? You find it funny that a woman has to go into hiding because of death threats? How despicable to find something like that amusing.

You've picked a pretty gray area to anchor your freedom of speech argument to. If I use my freedom of speech to purposely incite someone regarding a subject they are obviously sensitive and sore about, and the result is them threatening me, that's not really a free speech issue so much as a 'me being an asshole and testing the limits of another human being's temper' issue.
Take for example that crackhead woman in the news who was constantly *making fun* of her neighbor's terminally ill child. She got a ton of death threats and had to move. Is that a freedom of speech issue? Because it's the exact same scenario, a person receiving death threats for something they said that offended people. The only difference is, you probably *agree* that the victim in this case is despicable and deserves it. You make fun of Mohammad, and Muslims believe YOU are despicable and deserve death threats. Do you understand? I have as much freedom to make fun of Mohammad as I do to make fun of a dying kid. And since I have a reasonable expectation that doing either will result in people getting pissed off at me and making my life miserable, I choose to do neither.
My freedom of speech is intact, my friend. I *choose* not to say things that I know will piss off crazy people.

Jesus is a lily white dude and Muhammad looks like an Indian (typically speaking) as opposed to most Arabians (even the turban/headgear is all wrong). In reality, Jesus and Muhammad should look very similar, a darker Mediterranean type essentially not unlike the people of that region today.
As for the depiction itself, not sure what the point is exactly other than to anger some people's religion just to show you can. Now most are just going to be annoyed and go about their lives, but you gotta expect some of the more fanatical/pious/fundamentalist to respond in some way that is violent or at least threatening in tone.
Then there's the simple fact that every country on Earth has its 'sacred' things that they want to protect. Remember the flag burning amendment? Or just imagine someone doing a skit and wiping their ass with the Bible (let alone the Quran). As an atheist, I couldn't care less, but it's pretty foolish to think you're above these people (not defending the nut who got jail time though mind you) who respond to what they view as desecration when everyone has some line they don't want crossed whether it be personal or national.

Yes.... Funny, though, how the South Park guys never had this problem during all those years they made fun of Jesus in much harsher ways than they did Mohammed. I seem to remember one episode that had Jesus getting his ass kicked by Satan in a boxing(?) match... You can't get much more blasphemous than that. Where was the censorship, the outrage and the death threats then, huh?

Oh come on, you don't know about any of this(?): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Park_controversies#Criticism_and_protests
Of course some Christians in this country were offended. I'm not advocating censorship, I'm saying this was not unexpected at all. Muslims have a bigger fringe group that responds violently than Christians for various reasons. Christians largely advocate and legislate in this country actively tearing down the separation between church and state and are not immune to viewing the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq as 'crusades'. I expect some Muslim groups to respond as they do given their socio-economic situation and frankly lack of literacy (or they might read in the Quran how suicide is one of the worst sins you can commit for example). Whereas here in the states, we are considered the advanced country on Earth and still have bumpkins who want to teach 'intelligent design' and who do protest the slightest hint of ridicule of their faith. And it's easy to see why, Islam and Christianity are related as one is a clear offshoot of the latter (and Judaism): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions
If the point is religions appear to foster irrational thinking (unlike Western secularists), then yeah I agree. If the point is Christianity is 'better' than Islam, I find that rather amusing as it has more to do with how Western society has evolved away from fundamentalist religion towards other forms of worship (the market in the case of conservatives and materialism in-general) than with any intrinsic difference between these related religions from pretty much the same desert peoples.

...I *didn't* know about any of that. Well, not specifically anyway, I certainly always knew South Park was controversial. But then, it always aimed to be just that. Still, though - activist groups and parents organization and the likes protesting against it is not quite the same thing as the disproportionate and extreme response the non-depiction of Mohammed provoked.
In any case...
"If the point is Christianity is 'better' than Islam, I find that rather amusing as it has more to do with how Western society has evolved away from fundamentalist religion towards other forms of worship (the market in the case of conservatives and materialism in-general) than with any intrinsic difference between these related religions from pretty much the same desert peoples. "
...be that is it may, it doesn't matter in the slightest to me WHY Christianity is or is not "better" than Islam. All I'm saying is; Islamism is a real and tangible threat in the world today. I'm not denying there are Christian fundies who could potentially be dangerous, but they're insignificant in comparison. And that is why it's so damn frustrating to see people would rather ignore the big danger and bitch about the little one. Like I said earlier; it seems it's not possible to discuss the threat of Islamism without someone shifting the entire discussion over to the evils of Christianity (or America, or whatever). Everyone would rather ignore the real problem until it drops a bomb in their own backyard... As long as only *other* people suffer, it's okay.

We probably agree more than disagree. I do view both types of fundies as a problem frankly. The other point here is what to do about it? Since the vast majority of Muslims aren't involved in violent and/or criminal activity what is to be done?
Different countries have done different things to reduce Islamic fundamentalism. Turkey turned its populace towards Europe and redirected religious zeal towards nationalism. Similar things have been done in parts of the former Soviet Union in Central Asia. Not surprisingly, the same things that have turned people away from religion in this country would likely work elsewhere. Economic opportunity, greater literacy, open democratic societies with freedom of press (and the Muslim world appears poised to finally have its peoples revolution for real this time) and an active civil society are solutions, but they take time to wean people away from focusing strictly on religion and the afterlife as a means of escaping what is no doubt a very dismal present.

Well, I don't know. Like most people, I generally prefer to bitch about the problem rather than actively work towards a solution.
But hey, it's not like there's much I can do from my relatively safe little corner of the world anyway. It just bugs me when people try to pretend the problem doesn't exist, that's all.

I'm so sick of people playing the racist card against any critics of the ideology of Islam, which can be believed by people of ANY race. If I said I hate communism, no one would accuse me of saying I'm racist against all people who are communists. Islam, like Christianity is an ideology. It's a belief system, one that is itself necessarily intolerant of diversity, anti-woman, anti-gay, and anti-democracy itself. Christianity is all those things too, as is the religion of Judaism.
Now fortunately, Judaism and to a lesser extent, Christianity have outgrown much of the evil that's contained in their holy books (as, to their credit, have many, many Muslims around the world). But just because people choose today to cherry-pick from their holy books and ignore parts they don't like, that doesn't justify identifying themselves with an ideology that is at its core undeniably opposed to many of our modern values; it simply means they're ignorant of what the ideology they identify with is actually about. Sadly, despite there being at least a billion Christians in the world, probably less than 1% of them have ever read the entire Bible cover to cover. If they did, they probably wouldn't be Christians.

Religion sucks, I hate them all :)
South Park is awesome, I have loved it from the beginning. Best satire of modern America by far, funniest, most relevant cartoon show EVER ;)
Glad this guy is going to jail. BTW threatening other human beings IS a crime. However despite loving South Park and caring for the safety of it's creators, 25 years seems like a LONG time for terrorist threats.
You guys can go back to the Crusades now, sorry for the interruption :D

Not hugely into the Ramones anymore, but if my memory serves correctly, you're basically implying that I'm conservative? No, I just think it's cool that son of a butch is basically very intelligently making his case and bringing up some good points, some of which I agree with. You made some good points yourself. Don't see any reason for anybody to get butthurt over anything in this TB unless they're attacked personally.
Although I will throw out a funny bit from some standup special I saw a while back that this talkback is pretty much proving. Don't remember the guy's name but it went something like this:
"I'm getting tired of the fact that it's become popular to bash on religion. I'm not particularly religious myself, but I don't hold anything against religion or people that are religious. In fact, you know what? I've met a ton of Christians, a ton of Jews, a ton of Musilims, and everything in between. They're all the nicest people ever. I've met plenty of atheists too, and they're all smug, pretentious assholes that have no respect for people with different ideals than them."
Again, not fully taking a side in any of this, but this talkback as well as many others regarding religion pretty much defend this point.

At least you know the Muslims won't be flying Confederate flags from their Toyota technicals. And I wouldn't have to wear a maple leaf pin to get laid in Europe. "Baby they don't even got Sharia courts in Canada yet! U know they all racis!"

...was you saying that you would have loved to have seen The Ramones play live. But yeah, I have no horse in this race....or whatever the saying is....so I have no beef with anyone here. I'm just disturbing the shit.

But all too often, when talkbacks like this come around, or when people discuss Muslims, then the floodgates of racism and hate open up, and people start using words like "towelhead" or "they are all evil" or "nuke 'em". That's hatred. No way to dance around that. If racism isn't the appropriate term since Islam isn't a race....then they need a new word for people who hate people of a certain religion.

She's in the running for a Darwin award if she bites it. It was already very clear how Islam reacts when people draw their prophet. It happened to that Dutch cartoonist, and it was happening to others who followed suit. I guess this genius, Molly Norris assumed "Hey, if we all draw Mohammed, they can't go after all of us, right?" So they didn't go after everyone, just Molly, LOL. <p>
The worst part is, she hasn't contributed anything to society that makes her worthy of any praise. It's not like she wrote a piece of fiction, like "Satanic Verses", that made her a martyr. She's just a very dumb South Park fan, LMAO.

..as there were islamic extremists who crashed two planes into the WTC Towers and not to mention how I (personally) had witnessed Arab-Americans rejoicing during that tragic day.
And now there were two somewhat recent terrorist attempts in NYC, which could have killed many innocent Men, Women and Children?!?
Oh, and there's this TV producer in Buffalo NY who provided television programs that are meant to counter the various sterotypes of Arabs, yet decapitated his Wife over some bullshit arguement.
Anyone ever saw the Docu Drama: The stoning of soraya? Women are treated like servants if not peasants. and as far as I know, Isrealies/Jews don't send their children to their deaths via suicide bombings.
Although I am also a harsh of Catholism and Christianity, (Trust me, they are fucked up too.)
They have been somewhat behaving themselves in comparison to Islamic Fundamentalists.
That's right, I said it...

as are Christianity and Judaism. Christianity was concocted as a control mechanism by the Romans because they could no longer control their empire militarily. Islam was invented by the Vatican to control the middle east and give Christian Europe a perpetual enemy to fight thereby maintaining a strangle hold on European peasantry and as a culling mechanism to keep the populations from growing too much out of control. They found a schizophrynic pedophile named Mohammad and created a "prophet" and gave him piles of gold to raise an army to conquer the arab and persian lands and establish the new cult.
Judaism was largely invented in the 9th century AD and was based on a semi mythical 'religion of the Isrealites" by the Kazar Empire in central Asia. The Kazars would eventually fall to the Mongols and be scattered across Europe and would be the European Jews that we know and love today.
My point being, all three Abrahamic religions were created by an elite priest class to heard ignorant people into slave farms. When the slaves became too populous they would start a war amongst them to lower their populations back down to a manageable level. They would use the fear of the other group to steer the slaves any direction they wished. This of course is still happening today and the slaves are still just as ignorant as ever.

Why would you say that Hercules? I had a lot more respect for the writers at this website than this. Let your Racism flow??
If we go into that level of ranting and hate-spewing, that kind of animosity for an entire religion then we're just as bad or worse then that guy. Don't mind me but I don't want us to be anywhere in that category.
This is a serious issue and the implications of how these things are going down will effect us all. I don't agree with how that issue was resolved.
I don't think a person should go to jail for 25 years for saying anything. Terrorist threats- yeah should be punished. They are serious and can lead to something real- but 25 years? There are people that have DONE terrible horrible things and get out of jail faster then that.
So- wouldn't you think that ALL of our freedoms of speech were compromised by this resolution? All on account of the words of an over zealous buffoon?

The KKK burns crosses, remember? They set them on fire as a way to terrify southern african-americans, who would typically be christian. The KKK's goals are irrelevant to region. Whereas Islamic radicalism is the specific motivation of the majority of terrorist groups. The terrorist groups' goals are explicitly religious in nature.

While I think that you should not be able to plan the death of anyone, people wish people dead all the time and it's considered free speech.
Honestly, I would be very curious to see how many anti-abortion activist Christians are rotting in jail for 25 years because they called for the death of a doctor who performs abortions.
Seems to me like there's a double standard when it comes to terrorism.