I think it's because I have a super vanilla love life.
NTR is the ultimate thing I'm never going to be involved in, I guess it's what it arouses me so much. The ultimate taboo for a faithful vanilla moralfag such as myself.

This is actually a very interesting subject.
NTR in fiction like manga etc is becoming incresingly popular because MCs in manga and anime are becoming increasingly more beta and boring, if not straight up unlikeable.
As artists make their work cheap, mass produced and relatable to every single loser on planet earth, so do MCs become completely two dimensional, annoying.
Yet they get involved in crazy romance and build up entire harems, while making an ass out of themselves.
So many people enjoy watching their mind and heart being broken, to the point that it gets them off.
As for the other applications of the fetish, i think it probably has something to do with developing a very steady, very sturdy relationship to the point where the other person is "part of you", so that person getting fucked is like a part of you getting fucked too.
Maybe they get off to how alien the situation is, something extremely intimate that has been going on between two people for many years, suddently violated by a third individual.
If i had the means, i'll study this closely, i am completely external to this fetish and it does absolutely nothing for me, but i find the fact that it's growing in popularity very interesting, perhaps indicative of other, subtle things that are changing in our society and the minds of the people that live in it.

>>101867233
it's not becoming more popular in manga, only in hentai. It would be financial suicide if they included it in any mainstream manga or anime, or retcon it immediately once the backlash comes because mangaka have no backbone. MC's have always been boring self insert assholes who has all the girls love him, but that's what brings in the bucks from lonely virgins and otaku, no need to change the formula.

>>101866511
The soiling of something pure. I get off on the loss, on seeing the hero lose, on innocence being taken away.

I love it when the girl tries to hide it, and starts off hating it, has to bite her lip through the guilt and betrayal, but then over time she stops caring.

I love when it starts off as a mistake or even a comical misunderstanding and just gets out of hand. She genuinely didn't mean for it to turn out this way, but it just sort of happened and now it's gone too far to stop.

The foul villain is giving her something that the cute and noble hero can't/won't and she gradually falls in love with it. It becomes more and more normal to her. That point just before she gives in, when she can't even look her cute childhood friend in the eye anymore and just wants to run away from him. The uncertainty creeping into his mind. It's priceless.

I don't like it when it gets too dark though, with bondage and torture and weird super kinky shit. That's just distracting. I prefer it not even to go the public cumdumpster route, because then it feels so impersonal. I would rather NTR stay an illicit liaison between the cute girlfriend and the man taking advantage of her youthful naivite and making her his. That's the good stuff.

On the other hand, my guess as to why a lot of people hate NTR is because they project themselves on the beta boyfriend getting cheated on.

>>101867612
I actually prefer the cumdumpster route in the sense that even the bad dude gets tired of her and she gets so broken mentally that she doesn't even care who she has sex with, thats the ultimate payoff for me

>>101867700
Yeah but for me it's not really about breaking the woman/punishing the woman for being unfaithful. I have no inherent hatred/fear of women so I don't necessarily take pleasure from that particular angle on its own. It doesn't kill my boner like the kinky torture shit does, though. It's tolerable.

No, perfect NTR for me just has the girl moving on while the guy faps to the thought of his cherished friend and companion being sullied by another man. If it's got to end badly for the girl, I prefer that she's left to regret it in the end. Perhaps being abandoned and left to raise a bastard child by herself, the love of her life lost to her and her life a shambles. The feeling that there's no going back is just as palpable with something like that, and I can take more pleasure in it because it doesn't lose the personal touch.

>>101867692>>101867840
I can go that route too. I'd never admit this openly, but sometimes the thought of my retarded tomboy of a girlfriend getting pounded by some guy is enough to get me there. It helps that I know she never would and is attached to me by the hip, so I can afford such idle fantasies secure in her devotion. She's so cute and naive though, sometimes the mind wanders....

Other times the thought of me fucking her older brother's big breasted milf of a wife is where I insert myself. I suppose that isn't NTR, but the thought of me inflicting it on those close to me. I can identify with either side, depends on what I'm in the mood for. My imagination is very flexible.

I guess sometimes I feel like NTR, sometimes I don't, but I can enjoy the byproduct of this fetish just as much as I enjoy its primary application.

I'm a masochist and I derive sexual pleasure from the fantasy of having someone who I trust completely betray and abandon me while admitting that everything I thought we shared together was meaningless to them.

>>101868364
Well I acknowledge the difference and indulge in both, for much the same reasons I stated here: >>101867612

Whether I identify with the netorare or the netori in any particular doujin, it's the betrayal and corruption of something pure and innocent that get me off. Some reason I like cute lolis, but don't like slutty lolis. Purity and innocence are hot, and purity and innocence corrupted even hotter.

I get off more on seeing emotions and seeing pleasure than anything else. Nothing is more emotional than seeing a woman having to choose between someone (a husband or even her own family) whom she geniunly loves and some forbidden pleasure, because it just implies that the pleasure is SO amazing that it forgoes any logic or reason.

Some people like for the spouse in NTR to find out about the cheating, just to see him broken. I don't really care about that. It's more about the woman for me.

I think the reason I'm like that is because as a teenager I was always paranoid that my gfs would cheat on me. I'd eventually start fantasizing about them cheating and I would feel an overwhelming sense of jealousy, which somehow aroused me. At the same time I felt the jealousy, in my mind I would replace whomever I felt was stealing my girl from me with myself (i.e. placing myself in the same situation except with me being the person stealing away the someone else's object of trust and affection) and it made me orgasm like never before.

I can't say whether it's specifically the part about someone emotionally losing a woman they trust, or the woman giving her entire self to someone else specifically for pleasure but what I can say is that I can only normally masturbate 2x a day, maybe three; if I'm fapping to NTR though, I usually go about 5x.

>>101867840
Stop being so autistic.
NTR is used both for work like 'Another World' that are more meant for you to insert as the stealing guy, or Nagare Ippon stuff, that makes you feel for the cuckold.

Lot of NTR can be read from both POV. As long as it isn't ugly old fat men.

>>101868472>it's the betrayal and corruption of something pure and innocent that get me off

I actually prefer netori because it's more realistic and usually doesn't involve stupid gimmicks like blackmail/rape/drugs. It's more about the girl actually wanting to cheat. So I like them already corrupted. The whole "tainting something pure" is not fun for me anymore.

>>101868364
Well you're not quite right about Netori because you're confusing perspectives. If you're inserting as the guy stealing the girl then she couldn't be "your girl" or else you would simultaneously be self-inserting as both men, in which case you're just stealing from yourself.

Despite netori and netorare essentially being about the same act, they have very different appeals because of their varied perspectives. Netori is about conquest, the pleasure of taking something away from somebody else, while netorare is about loss and the masochistic pleasure of being betrayed.

Deriving pleasure from netorare would make you a pretty pathetic person no matter how you look at it, but pleasure from netori just makes you an asshole.

I like NTR, but when the story fucking nosedives and you get the generic "I loved you but this guy's cock is a gorillion times bigger and I love cock now" shit then it's basically garbage.
Shame that's ~80% of all NTR right there.

>>101868647>If you're inserting as the guy stealing the girl then she couldn't be "your girl" or else you would simultaneously be self-inserting as both men, in which case you're just stealing from yourself.
I just got an amazing idea for an NTR manga. Guy gets a girlfriend then creates a fake identity to seduce her away from himself.

>>101868765
So Batman NTRs Bruce Wayne? That sort of thing HAS to have been done. What with all the "she doesn't like boring old me, she's in love with (insert secret hero identity here)" plot lines in movies, comics, et cetera

>>101868909
I would imagine it would be older people whose more exciting years are behind them that would be more into this sort of cheesy romance novel tier shit in doujin form. Unless that's what you were implying? You were a bit vague.

Am I the only one tired of seeing silly ahegao faces everywhere in hentai doujins, ESPECIALLY of this genre? It's just too stupid to take seriously and really kills the mood for me. HURRDURR I MENTALLY RETARDED FOR DA CAWK. It's obnoxious and annoying.

>>101869456
Yeah but a lot of times I'll miss out on some really fucking great material for the sake of one page with that retarded ahegao face. I'd rather sift through it, roll my eyes and keep everything else than miss out on the other 50%~90% of quality fap material.

Shit still annoys me when it does come up though, and I'm not shy about saying so. It's really not my thing and it seems to be getting more and more prevalent within hentai.

>>101869751
Not nearly as much as distortion but yeah, that's taking it a bit far. Unless it's tentacles maaaaaybe, but even then I prefer it just bumping into the cervix. Digging all up into the uterus just makes me cringe. That shit looks like it hurts. I don't like pain and disfigurement.

>>101866554
Do all niggers have this fetish too? 'Cause they sure as fuck seem to be obsessed with it.

I'm pretty sure people that like NTR are all selfish, self centered, unsympathetic people. They seem to lack the ability to feel for others to the point of being autistic. All fucking cocksuckers for short.

When I was new to it, it's because it made me mad as fuck. It was a fresh feeling.

Now, I hate most NTR because of how formulaic it is. I do, however, really enjoy stories of cheating and betrayal... preferably ones that lead the male to a better class of female, or ones where the better male seduces a wife or GF away. None of that rape/drugged/blackmail bullshit that the genre is full of.

It's only maddeniing in the beginning; then you see how stupid it all really is.

So what exactly would count as mind break? Does it necessarily involve violent fucking or is just simply when the girl is feeling so euphoric during sex that she's just basically moaning and yelling mindlessly?

>>101870490
Just what sample size are you drawing this from? Did you do a fucking survey? Go door to door in the projects looking for white wimmens wearing wedding bands? Haha, that's an amusing mental image.

Anywho, what makes you think the spics, micks, kikes and chinks don't indulge in such base pleasures? Maybe you just don't pay as much attention to them as you do the niggers.

>>101870635
Women are easily influenced and illogical beings due to how emotional they are. They operate and make decisions nearly entirely based on their immediate emotions. If the women is currently feeling more positively emotional at the time of the encounter and he's the one leading, she will go for it. She immediately falls back on "It wasn't my fault, it couldn't be helped" or "it just happened" because women don't like to take responsibility for their actions, which is part of the female gender role. So as soon as a nigger comes by and puts the proper tactics on her, she falls into his arms. This is a trait almost every single woman has and it can't be helped. It's how they are, believe it or not.

>>101870781
I assure you I don't. It just so happen that me and everyone else around me for my entire life has noticed that niggers do most of the NTRing and take fucking pride in it. I don't know where you live but you seem uninformed. It's basically seen as fact, not literally speaking, or as very common when hearing of a nigger fucking another mans girlfriend. I don't know if you just live in a different place, or if you're black yourself. Or maybe you're Redwood and I'm about to get banned.

>>101870635
That's mean anon. You're hurting my feelings. Independent thought I'll give you, but I knows I am bes what I is. Or do I? What is the self? What determines it? Who? Why? Dammit, if only I could think independently! Meh, oh well. At least there's still wayward white women to steal from potential anons. Netori a best.

>>101870962
I can't source since I don't have this shit on hand, but I can tell you that I've done quite enough research, or study as you said, on this subject. I'm just replying to your reply and attempting to prove myself so it's your choice whether you want to believe me or not.

You can self-insert as the girl or the boyfriend or just observe the situation but if you're self-inserting as the woman-stealing faggot you're doing it wrong and missing the entire point of the genre.

>>101871021
Meh, personal experience creates personal bias. Yeah, I'm black, but I wouldn't steal anyone's girlfriend. Well, not on purpose. I do fantasize about it sometimes, though. I guess I can't fully deny my true nature, eh? On the other hand, sometimes I have netorare fantasies, too. Must be the Belgian ancestry.

Sorry to hear about your porch monkey problems anon, I hope you find a cute girl who isn't tempted by that swarthy chocolate cock.

Because they're that much more likely to have a lot of foreplay focusing on the female, even if it is done under the pretense of breaking her will. (Dick sucking doesn't count, that's usually kind of boring.)

>>101869643>that manga>"I'll teach you how to do anal so you can please your boyfriend!">she goes along with it without any hesitation
God I hate this kind of writing why do they make the girls so stupid?

>>101871289
I fucking hope so too. I'll end up blaming myself anyways because if I'm not able to make her love me to the point of never being able to forget it for a second, then I'll feel like I've failed. Either way, if I found my girlfriend cheating, I'd still be compelled to punch her in the face and not the guy, given that he didn't know.

I'm glad to hear you're not like other black people. You're one of the good guys; one of the more civilized black people. I don't hate blacks as a race, I just hate niggers. When I use that word, I'm implying the kind of black people that are...well, I think you know what I mean. I hope.

>>101871165
if you feel negatively about a male stealing a woman it must mean you are attracted to women outside your basic sexual instinct. however i find it hard to understand how can anyone love someone they perceive in such negative manner.

what i gathered from your post is that all women are sluts, yet you seek a relationship with them instead of just fucking and moving to another slut like.

>>101870647
This 100%. NTR is at its best when the girl cheats willingly. It has to be seduction, not rape or sex drugs that turn her into a horny slut. I like the NTR that's about her choosing one guy over another, not about breaking her so she's incapable of choosing anybody.

>>101871554
I've been lurking 4chan way too long to get my panties in a bunch over that anon. I'm comfortable enough with myself and my position within society, so I see no reason to take it personal. Just so long as there isn't a damned racewar and I wind up swinging from a tree for letting my gaze tarry too long on someone's niece.

Good luck man. That's the end of my social commentary, back to discussing my inner depravity.

>>101871688
I don't know, formulaic or not what >>101871630 at least sounds hotter than the typical cumdumpster sex drug "I am a domestic animal to be fucked" bad end. I said it before and I'll say it again, it just becomes so impersonal at that point. I can't enjoy it as much because I can no longer attempt to take it even the slightest bit seriously. It's just too retarded, silly and over the top.

>>101872133>>101872266
You know what we need? Yandere NTR. Some virgin stalker girl is crazy about MC-kun, but high school delinquent #532 fucks her brains out and she realizes she's actually yandere for huge cock.

>>101872540
All women are filthy lying dirty whores that jsut want to get fucked. vanilla and other shit is stupid and boring and unrealstic.
Shit like yandere is even worse.
And don't get me started on fucking incest, only people without sisters would ever even joke about thinking incest isn't shit.

>>101866773
I used to think this way until something just clicked with me. I just love the idea of a woman falling to her base instincts, rutting into a heat and needing to be violently pounded until the copious amounts of semen finally satisfy her womb.

It just so happens that NTR manga is where the majority of that stuff is.

You know what I'd like to see? Two characters that are yandere for one another hitting it off. They don't even have to be the focus of the story. Even just side characters. I want to see a mutually yandere as fuck couple obsessing over each other and stalking the shit out of each other and then having crazy passionate paranoia fueled rage sex where they literally can't get enough of each other. Like some bizarre simultaneous rape where they're constantly one upping each other and vying for control.

Because its alright when done properly. When its not"I have a rumor/video that you were a slut! Fuck me or i'll tell everyone!" then she does as if it won't backfire horribly for him"your boyfriend/husband knows we're fucking but he doesn't do shit" and he just cries it is shit.

>>101866511
Netorare is my most prominent fetish, and it triggered while reading berserk. Griffith raping caska while guts watched made me rock fucking hard, and since then its almost in every work I read for fapping. I always felt cheated in my relationship with girls, and I'm very suspicious of everyone (think I got a delusional disorder, involving me being watched or hurt, and it really permeates most of my life and thoughts)

>>101873718
I've never had a girlfriend though. I'm not a complete retard when it comes to socializing, actually I'm pretty good. I doubt I fit the normalfag definition, although these kind of thoughts are not rare to see in people, common even.

>>101873927
I wish you fags would stop posting this "cycle" crap like it applies to everyone. I've been fapping to hentai for fucking forever, and now I'm pretty much locked in to the holy trinity of NTR, gender bender and traps. I doubt it'll change any time soon.

I do read good vanilla sometimes, but never to fap, only to enjoy romance manga where they actually consummate that shit. It does pretty much nothing for my boner

>>101874094
No. It likely stems from NTR being a really niche fetish that is really unappealing for most people (like scat and such) and yet the minority that likes it tends to be extremely vocal about it, bringing it up in other threads.
People react, and that just makes the NTRfans think that they are the oppressed victims and makes them even louder.

>>101868647>Deriving pleasure from netorare would make you a pretty pathetic person no matter how you look at it, but pleasure from netori just makes you an asshole.
Some people enjoy netorare stories using a netori viewpoint.

So when you enjoy those housewife mangas where this protagonist/MC you consider a BAWCE or badass, someone is getting netorare'd.

If you use that reading perspective with netorare doujins, then it still is about conquest and some such.

>>101874398>yet the minority that likes it tends to be extremely vocal about it, bringing it up in other threads.
Most NTRfags don't declare themselves to be "one hundred percent pure vanilla lover" or "can only fap to vanilla" in every fucking thread.

If you look at comments section everywhere with hentai, it's "vanilla army" this, or, "I can only fap to vanilla after having gone through a cycle of NTR" that, or, "I'm a vanilla lover through and through".

It's like vanilla retards can't shut up about proclaiming how they love vanilla, when they don't even know what vanilla means when they fucking include fucking incest or homosex as vanilla.

Fucking RPers as well. Have you seen those comments section at Fakku? Are they 12 or something? Do they think that's cool?

>>101877387>>101877461
The point is that when you say NTRfags are vocal minority, they aren't. Vanillafags are the truly vocal ones, who like to be noisy assholes about people liking fetishes they don't like.

A fetish is a fetish.
What's your answer to people asking "Why do you like fapping to cartoons?"

The answer is obvious, because you like it, you retards. It's a fucking fetish!

I can never understand why people like giving a shit about what people like to fap to. It's like those people who don't understand that Mogudan draws abnormally large breasts and butts because there are people who like to fap to those proportions.

>>101877645
But NTRfags are a vocal majority by definition.
Vanillafags are the majority. They're not vocal, they're just there. It seems like there are a lot of people that like happy sex because there are.

Something I find interesting about NTR is how it's mostly tailored towards males in the explicit sense, while anything traditionally targeted towards girls such as in shoujos will mostly be about relationships and the emotional, often ending with a 'happier' ending than explicit physical NTR.

Looking at these threads, it seems that there's a strong split for male consumers of NTR between inserting as the female as emphasizing with losing oneself to desire and inserting as the male and feeling that loss of control and humiliation that caters towards masochists.I'm curious as to what kind of NTR femanons find appealing and what approach is taking. Do you prefer to self insert as a female doing the NTRing, the male getting NTR'd, a female getting NTR'd by a male or even male on male NTR.

>>101877863
This is clearly a vanillafag masquerading as an NTRfag. I have never met an NTRfag this retarded, because for the most part, NTRfags are on the defensive and understand that, yes, liking NTR IS a minority thing.

But so is fapping to cartoons. Vanillafags are pretty vocal about saying NTR is shit whenever they can, like in this thread and in many comments sections in many aggregate sites.

NTRfags generally do not make such stupid roleplaying bullshit that "hardcore" vanillatards do as well. They do respond harshly, because there is a feeling of persecution coming from the vanillatards that are retards. Vanilla lovers, that are TRUE vanilla lovers and not just hypocrites that love netori NTR but decry netorare NTR, generally stay out of any shitposting. And those vanilla majority, I can respect.

Most vocal vanillafags I feel are just hypocritical little shits who love netori and are afraid of showing how hypocritical they are.

>>101866511>Why people like NTR?
Many reasons, actually. Some people like the hardcore emotions that netorare brings. Other people like the "lighter" netori stories where your MC is the one who does the NTR.

Some people like the masochism, the sadism, the pure pleasure derived from sex with no emotional attachment, some love train wrecks, some love the feminist empowerment in some stories.

I remember someone posting six of them, but I don't think I have that copypasta.

>>101878892
Wasn't browsing, another thread died and I saw the post on the front page. Sometimes it's nice to check instead of the catalog since where threads start and where they go can be entirely divorced.

>>101878745
But that's ridiculous. Most ntr I've seen have cardboard cutout stock characters and the girl isn't "absolved" at all. It's like a child's idea of what sex is. The "be a man and please her" might hold more stock if the "men" weren't made as thoroughly unlikable as possible. And that's all before magic, drugs, and magic drugs get involved.
The whole thing is just degrading for the everyone involved, and to me it isn't for the reason the author intends.

NTR is fucking disgusting and anyone who likes it is also a horrible person. I can't wrap my head around how anybody could possibly even sit through reading it. It's so sad and awful and sickening that I get an actual bad taste in my mouth and pain in my stomach that I need to wash out with strenuous exercise. How can you get off on seeing anyone, 2D or 3D, in a shitty situation where they're raped, or drugged, or simply cheated on? That's awful. Sick, sick, sick and disgusting. God fucking damn it.

you don't need to do all that shit just to enter sadpanda.

1 clear all your browser cookies/settings
2 go to e-hentai.org, log in and then go to exhentai.org

Also when you clear your cookies just make sure that you aren't on e-hentai or exhentai
Women need to be raped. It is the only language they understand. Women enjoy rape. Don't let them tell you otherwise, because they are notorious liars and don't know their own minds. Women want to be held down and fucked hard. They want to be made to cry and scream. Women have a biological imperative to be raped. Did you know that women who are raped are twice as likely to conceive as women who have unprotected consensual sex? It is a fact. Women who are raped often have orgasms as well - some women have never had an orgasm in their lives save for a rape. The desire to be sexually dominated is deeply programed into the woman. This is a fact of evolution that cannot be denied without women becoming unbalanced. Feminism is really just an outward manifestation of an internal problem with modern women. These 'feminists' desperately want to be put in their place. That's why they act out so much and are so belligerent. Whether they know it or not, subconsciously they want to piss men off and get men to make them submit. They want to be slapped in the face, told to shut the fuck up, and then raped until they can't stand up. This is what women really want. I say we give it to them.

that one doujin where it looked like the MC was gonna get cockblocked by his friend only for the girls to find out he had a horse cock and both of them left the douche bag friend and stayed with the mc