Neil Olshey A Finalist For Blazers GM Opening (P. 3)

Its official, CLEEPERS works for The Clippers. He justifies everything Donald Sterling does.

sfernald

06/01/2012 - 02:42 PM PST

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Sf that's not the point. Sure Olshey may not get the Portland job and return here by default just as he did last year without a deal but it's NOT RIGHT. He needs a 3-4 year deal immediately if the Clippers are serious about continuing the upswing. Hell even give him a freaking 2 year deal. He's already proven he's not Dunleavy 2.0. He's the ultimate rep of the franchise with his great communication and sales tactics.
As Ramona said... it's more the issue of why even risk him leaving even if it's unlikely? If he stays I'm willing to bet....

Personally, I'm not going to rush to judgement- yet. Let's see what transpires. If Olshey leaves for some gigantic contract w/ Portland, then maybe Sterling can't be blamed. I suppose we'll find out soon enough.

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06/01/2012 - 02:46 PM PST

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How am I justifying? I put forth a hypothetical scenario in which both sides are posturing to get the best deal for them... like ALL negotiations.

You've obviously never negotiated a contract.

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06/01/2012 - 02:47 PM PST

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All I could find were same ones Ekker. All I know is we better not lose him...

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06/01/2012 - 02:48 PM PST

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sfernald wrote:

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People need to think of it... as if you were the employee Olshey is. If you did a stellar job and finished ranked 3rd for your position among 130+ media professionals as being the best and your boss showed no urgency or strong interest in keeping you long term.. how would you feel?

I think the reality is this is an ugly part of the business. There's no team in the league more unstable management wise than the blazers. From what I've read it seems doubtful Olshey will be selected by Portland anyway. Unless you hear that Olshey has fired his agent; then it's a done deal.

Olshey is in demand because he's good, and through this process, though it appears ugly to us fans, his fair value will be ascertained. I am not the betting man but i would wager that chances are probably 75% in our favor that we retain Olshey. Portland is such a mess who knows what they are going to do.

WHY IS HE EVEN INTERVIEWING WITH PORTLAND IN THE FIRST PLACE? WHY ARE WE LETTING HIM??? HE'S THE BEST GM WE'VE EVER HAD AND WE DON'T SIGN HIM LONG TERM??? WTF ARE WE DOING???

And Portland's owner is not one of the richest owners in The NBA. He's THE Richest owner in the NBA BY FAR. He's one of the wealthiest people in the world. Every single time a PC is sold IN THE WORLD, and someone legally uses ANY product of Microsoft, he makes money.

If you bust your ass at work and everyone acknowledges your hard work except your billionaire boss... and there's another boss who has 14 BILLION then wouldn't you go there if they paid you more?

You would be an idiot if you didn't.

And the boss who lets him go is an IDIOT.

All of you who defend Donald Sterling's cheapskate ways as if its YOUR money... as if its coming out of YOUR pocket. You're ridiculous.

Let's start demanding GREATNESS.

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06/01/2012 - 02:51 PM PST

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Donald Sterling has 1.5 BILLION dollars. That's 999 MILLION DOLLARS + 501 MILLION MORE. And some of you are defending him because he wants to save 20 MILLION DOLLARS out of 999 MILLION DOLLARS when Its CLIPPER NATION that helped MAKE him this money?

Can you take any money with you when you die?

prokreation

06/01/2012 - 02:52 PM PST

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Oh yeah, he also made money off of being a slumlord. And a racist one at that.

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06/01/2012 - 02:53 PM PST

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cleepers wrote:

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Dunleavy was a COACH and a GM.

Its official, CLEEPERS works for The Clippers. He justifies everything Donald Sterling does.

How am I justifying? I put forth a hypothetical scenario in which both sides are posturing to get the best deal for them... like ALL negotiations.

You've obviously never negotiated a contract.

You obviously work for Disney. Your arguments consist of making long-winded HYPOTHETICAL conversations that all exist in your mind.

Nice argument.

Now let's get to the bottom of this. Why are you really in love with Donald Sterling?

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06/01/2012 - 02:53 PM PST

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^ He got $1,500,000,000 by making smart deals. If he doesn't match or better an offer from portland, I'll agree with you. I'm just saying "wait and see".

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06/01/2012 - 02:55 PM PST

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And both my wife and brother are lawyers that negotiate contracts on a daily basis. I also have my own company and I negotiate contracts with clients weekly.

Nice try.

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06/01/2012 - 02:55 PM PST

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prokreation wrote:

cleepers wrote:

prokreation wrote:

Dunleavy was a COACH and a GM.

Its official, CLEEPERS works for The Clippers. He justifies everything Donald Sterling does.

How am I justifying? I put forth a hypothetical scenario in which both sides are posturing to get the best deal for them... like ALL negotiations.

You've obviously never negotiated a contract.

You obviously work for Disney. Your arguments consist of making long-winded HYPOTHETICAL conversations that all exist in your mind.

Nice argument.

Now let's get to the bottom of this. Why are you really in love with Donald Sterling?

^That's just not reality though. Sure, Allen could throw enough money around to get Mitch Kupchak from the lakers and pull Phil Jackson outta retirement. 25M for Mitch and 50M for PJ (per year), but the reality is he is a cheap mother too. He was one of the hard-liners during the lockout if you remember. There may not be a cheaper owner in the league.

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06/01/2012 - 03:01 PM PST

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Part of the "smart" deals you're referring to was racist deals. He was sued and he lost.

And part of the "smart" deals you're referring to was buying the team at 13 million and not caring if they won and holding onto the team that is now worth $300 MILLION.

During the same time, The Lakers won 10 championships. DTS was getting rich off of us.

And now he's OLD and he could go at any time. I lost my dad last year and you cannot take ANYTHING with you when you die. What is the F**** Point of dying with 1.5 billion dollars and not trying to WIN when you own a professional team. How many women is he trying to party with before he dies?

Why be CHEAP NOW?

And now let's get to the bottom of this:) Why are you really in love with Donald Sterling?

sfernald

06/01/2012 - 03:06 PM PST

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How old is DS?

He's not going to be around forever. Then his kids will sell the Clips to Disney.

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06/01/2012 - 03:07 PM PST

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Actually with the amount of money he has, proportionally, you're right. 14 billion is immense.

But Mitch Kupchak isn't THAT great. The Lakers are an easy sell. and he built the amazing bench of Mcroberts, Troy Murphy, and Barnes. < actually Kobe convinced Barnes to come. I would take our 2nd unit against the Lakers 2nd unit ANY day of the week.

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06/01/2012 - 03:09 PM PST

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Great. And then the team will move to Anaheim and I have to fight 90 min. of traffic.

I love playing at Staples bc when we beat the Lakers, I can't stop smiling. All my Laker friends are quiet as a mouse for a day and keep talking about their banners.

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06/01/2012 - 03:10 PM PST

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prokreation wrote:

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^ He got $1,500,000,000 by making smart deals. If he doesn't match or better an offer from portland, I'll agree with you. I'm just saying "wait and see".

Part of the "smart" deals you're referring to was racist deals. He was sued and he lost.

And part of the "smart" deals you're referring to was buying the team at 13 million and not caring if they won and holding onto the team that is now worth $300 MILLION.

During the same time, The Lakers won 10 championships. DTS was getting rich off of us.

And now he's OLD and he could go at any time. I lost my dad last year and you cannot take ANYTHING with you when you die. What is the F**** Point of dying with 1.5 billion dollars and not trying to WIN when you own a professional team. How many women is he trying to party with before he dies?

Why be CHEAP NOW?

And now let's get to the bottom of this:) Why are you really in love with Donald Sterling?

Juvenile, dude.

I'm trying to make legitimate points about how business is generally done (since I too have a business - a California S-corp, incorporated 1999) whereas your argument seems to be... "Donald and cleepers sitting in a tree... K-I-S-S-I-N-G!"

no matter how greener pastures might be with another team, im sure Neil would like to have some sort of job security (dont we all). month to month deals arent gonna cut it. DTS is obviously not willing to long-term contract a non-player (see VDN and now Olshey) after what went down with the Dunleavy lawsuit. not to mention Baylor was being paid peanuts.

i wonder why Roeser's been with us for so long w/o incident. he's DTS's real life Waylon Smithers.

in any case, DTS strikes again. that dirty cheapskate.

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06/01/2012 - 03:12 PM PST

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If we were sold to Disney I honestly wonder if that would be good or bad? I can't imagine ANY owner including his kids would be as bad.

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06/01/2012 - 03:13 PM PST

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OK, here are some questions that need to be asked before drawing any conclusions:

If Olshey really wants to leave, why hasn't the Clippers' front office made any moves yet to fill the vacancy?

Why is Olshey still acting as gm if he plans to leave? Why are the Clippers allowing him to continue to work as acting GM when the longer this lingers, the longer it will take to fill the void?

If Portland has made a decision already, why haven't they moved yet?

Why are the Clippers and Olshey deflecting any questions about the situation if both parties know the outcome?

Why hasn't Olshey left yet? He's been without a contract for some time now. That doesn't make sense to me. Why hasn't he moved on?

I think there is a whole lot we don't know about this situation. Maybe Sterling didn't give him a new contract cause Olshey has had his sights on the Blazers since last season. Maybe Sterling is granting him his wish.

Maybe Sterling is waiting to see what they offer, and match Olshey...letting the market set the price

Maybe Sterling is hoping he doesn't get the job and can continue paying him how he's been paid

Ease up people. Don't go preaching what some blogger is telling you. You guys know who the insiders are.

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06/01/2012 - 03:15 PM PST

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prokreation wrote:

cleepers wrote:

^ He got $1,500,000,000 by making smart deals. If he doesn't match or better an offer from portland, I'll agree with you. I'm just saying "wait and see".

Part of the "smart" deals you're referring to was racist deals. He was sued and he lost.

And part of the "smart" deals you're referring to was buying the team at 13 million and not caring if they won and holding onto the team that is now worth $300 MILLION.

During the same time, The Lakers won 10 championships. DTS was getting rich off of us.

And now he's OLD and he could go at any time. I lost my dad last year and you cannot take ANYTHING with you when you die. What is the F**** Point of dying with 1.5 billion dollars and not trying to WIN when you own a professional team. How many women is he trying to party with before he dies?

Why be CHEAP NOW?

And now let's get to the bottom of this:) Why are you really in love with Donald Sterling?

@prokreation, you don't need to WRITE LIKE THIS TO PROVE A POINT. thanks.

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06/01/2012 - 03:16 PM PST

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id stay away from corporations. not my cup of tea and lacks the personal touch. that being said:

david geffen, clap clap clap clap clap lol

too bad DTS is going to the grave with this team and then who knows who he has lined up to take over.

sfernald

06/01/2012 - 03:17 PM PST

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Disney was just my example of a big corp. Watch what happens to the Warriors and you will get an idea of what it would be like with us.

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06/01/2012 - 03:17 PM PST

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You sir, are a disgrace to Clippers fans. Go pick up some other team that has a owner with the norms and values you seek in a behind the scenes capacity.

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06/01/2012 - 03:18 PM PST

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Spot on Ekker. Making all of your employees work uncontracted, paycheck to paycheck is IMMORAL in professional sports. Can't be doing that ****. If he wants to shed all the stereotypes he needs to cut the ****.

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06/01/2012 - 03:18 PM PST

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Pot calling the kettle black.

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06/01/2012 - 03:23 PM PST

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If I'm Neil Olshey, I'm trying to get as much money for as many years as I possibly can.

If I'm Donald Sterling, I'm trying to get the best talent for the least amount of money.

^a lot of people on this forum forget that the NBA is a business, well said cleepers!

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06/01/2012 - 03:26 PM PST

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disagree.

you're not gonna get the best talent for the least amount of money.

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06/01/2012 - 03:27 PM PST

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Man I'm surprised that you guys are being so nonchalant about it ; . This isn't some minor issue not to worry about. If we lose Olshey it's very unlikely we find a GM as good or as passionate about building this team up. Sure it can happen but that GM will be on a day to day contract and get sick of it too. It's a cycle.

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06/01/2012 - 03:30 PM PST

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truth is, its not Olshey that im worried about (while he's a solid and confident guy, i still think dunleavy could've done just as well. still think he fumbled the CP negotiations a bit by giving up too much when he had all the leverage) its the penny-pinching that DTS is back to that's irking me. i was *this close* to saying he's spending now.

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Pffft! Some of you people are a real work of art. DTS spent 70 million on players last season. That puts him at the top of the list of owners who spent the most. Look at you people?

You guys want to overlook all the good and condemn this franchise over a 1-1/2 year GM? You think Olshey was really a mastermind, or a beneficiary of a new CBA?

Aminu anyone? DeAndre Jordan anyone? Gomes? Stern helping the Clippers get CP3 on a loaner basis...after he was traded to a team with a GM who was technically smarter than him? Getting the highest bid in a auction for a player on waivers who didn't want to come here in the first place? And then said player goes out and gets another veteran? It wasn't Olshey who got Martin, it was Billups.

C'mon guys, you're putting a this guy on a pedestal. He wasn't nearly as good as some of you want to make it out to be. I think he is good, but circumstances played the biggest part in this. Really think about this for a second: If not for Stern, things would not have turned out the way they did. If not for Sterling paying up, this wouldn't be an issue.

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06/01/2012 - 03:31 PM PST

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ekker3 wrote:

cleepers wrote:

If I'm Neil Olshey, I'm trying to get as much money for as many years as I possibly can.

If I'm Donald Sterling, I'm trying to get the best talent for the least amount of money.

He's talking about maximizing your dollar for players. In that respect, he is totally right.

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06/01/2012 - 03:34 PM PST

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^Because you risk Olshey feeling unwanted and just another chip in DTS' pocket. You risk him signing Portland's contract immediately - somewhhere he knows they will treat him like he's actually worth something.

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06/01/2012 - 03:35 PM PST

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Man, this thread should be stickied. Then we can all look back and see how everyone reacted. lol

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06/01/2012 - 03:36 PM PST

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People also tend to forget that he paid out of pocket the salaries of the front office during the lock out....what a cheap bastard. (he was the only owner to do this)

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06/01/2012 - 03:37 PM PST

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If I was in DTS's shoes, I'd probably let Olshey go at the minute I heard he was trying to find another job. Better yet, if I was treated the way Olshey has been "treated", I would have walked away and kept my dignity.

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cleepers wrote:

ekker3 wrote:

cleepers wrote:

If I'm Neil Olshey, I'm trying to get as much money for as many years as I possibly can.

If I'm Donald Sterling, I'm trying to get the best talent for the least amount of money.

Olshey is probably asking for more than Sterling thinks he's worth. Sterling is probably offering less than Olshey thinks he's worth.

Perhaps I should have been more specific...

"Donald is trying to get the best talent for the least amount of money he CAN".

What is so ridiculous about Donald letting Portland set the price (possibly less than Olshey's asking for) then matching or increasing the offer?

because Donald hasnt ever offered a contract to a non-player since dunleavy left. how horrible is that. heck even chicago paid some of vinny's contract when he first joined us. i genuinely doubt he's just waiting for portland to set the price.

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Yup... when Olshey walks we can sticky it. Reality Joe... is that there are two parts of success in sports. Front office/coaches and players. The personnel you hire/keep outside of players has a HUGE impact on a franchise. We could pay every player big deals but if we don't have a strong front office or coaches.. you end up being the Atlanta Hawks of the last 7 or so seasons. Perennial first and second round exit on pure talent but no brains in front office to improve and no brains on the sidelines.

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LobAngelesBlakers wrote:

clipper*joe wrote:

Pffft! Some of you people are a real work of art. DTS spent 70 million on players last season. That puts him at the top of the list of owners who spent the most. Look at you people?

People also tend to forget that he paid out of pocket the salaries of the front office during the lock out....what a cheap bastard. (he was the only owner to do this)

Thank you!

I guess we should let all the "chicken littles" have their time now.

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No Ekker. Chicago didn't "even" pay some of Vinny's contract....They had to pay part of his contract.

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06/01/2012 - 03:41 PM PST

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clipper*joe wrote:

MuteHaitian wrote:

^Because you risk Olshey feeling unwanted and just another chip in DTS' pocket. You risk him signing Portland's contract immediately - somewhhere he knows they will treat him like he's actually worth something.

If I was in DTS's shoes, I'd probably let Olshey go at the minute I heard he was trying to find another job. Better yet, if I was treated the way Olshey has been "treated", I would have walked away and kept my dignity.

Ok, put yourself in DTS's shoes then. Why is Olshey looking for another job? Oh yea, because you offered him no contract nor even talked to him about one.

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He doesnt have any kids. Or does he? Lol.

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OK, put yourself in Olshey's shoes then. Why hasn't Olshey had the courage and dignity to leave when an employer is treating him that way?

You forget, Olshey has the power to change things...Have the courage to leave. If someone is supposedly treating me bad, I can't make them act the way I want them to. I don't have that power. What I do have is the power to change my situation by leaving and finding other work.

I guess he wants his cake and eat it too. If he can't find another job, he can always sit back and take it.

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06/01/2012 - 03:45 PM PST

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im genuinely confused why some of you are defending donald.

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06/01/2012 - 03:51 PM PST

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I have the courage to leave, and I'm talking to Portland at the moment. In fact, I'm one of the favorites to land the job. I don't have the power to change DTS, so I hope I land this job. Why aren't you worried?