KC is not a suspect and has never been! Period! Is this the same means you used to explain KC's income.....?????

I assume Jo was able to get the SS information as Duane's widow. RobertMBlevins could not get the same information on Christianson, could he?

Part of Robert's case is that Christianson suddenly had a lot more money right after the hijacking. But, there has been no reporting of income like Jo has posted for Duane. Also, there is way of telling if Christianson suddenly had a lot more money before the hijacking.

Would have been interesting to have wage and asset reports.....but not available on KC since he was unmarried?

Blevins had to downsize Blevins' previous "brag" about KC's estate worth - turns out Lyle fed the Blev the wrong numbers by a very significant amount!

That information is not for public viewing on a Cooper thread. Unless you search it out on your own, and that's up to you. Yes, I already know the numbers on Christiansen, but I figure if the FBI ever decides to take an interest in him, then they can easily get those same numbers on their own. I will call these numbers consistent and leave it at that.

You have excuses for excuses! If you have them produce them, he is deceased. There IS only ONE logical reason you will NOT produce the SS or IRS records - that is because YOU don't have them and you never tried to get them.

One can be assured that KC kept records on his income and his taxes paid each yr. Rental property he would NOT have to declare as that is NOT earned income. With rents - that is income, but NOT earned income and it is treated differently. One did not pay SS on investments such as rent.

Social Security is paid on EARNED income - not on investments. I do not know how somethings are handled now, but that is the way it used to be.

You can get earnings at the SSN dot gov site with a name, a birthdate, an SSN, and the mother's maiden name, last name only. Don't you think Porteous already thought of that and sent me this info? Of course he did.

Social Security keeps records of everything you earned reported on an IRS W-2 or whatever you file for taxes. It's how they base your future benefits on a 62/66/70 retirement age. You said that those numbers were Duane's SSN-reported earnings.

I said that Duane, whose history does not reflect anything like a steady or honest lifestyle, would be unlikely to work for 10K in reported wages the year after the hijacking. Especially if he fell into a million in today's dollars.

Hey, Geoff is a savvy NY crime reporter. He knows when to do the soft sell Columbo "aw shucks" approach and when to pull a knife. If you doubt his effectiveness ask yourself who else got the warm welcome from the FBI and wide access to their files? I can't even get a peek at the Amboy chute.

I wish Geoff the best. He put on a first rate event in Portland that was a blast. I was so impressed that he hosted and warmly welcomed Marla. Her timing really harpooned his book, but he didn't let that get in the way of presenting every angle of Norjack that he could.

I am looking forward to the movie. When the credits roll I can say, hey I know that guy. That's only happened once before.

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If Geoff used purloined info in his book then whoever bought the book may have a problemo - and Geoff may have some explaining to do.

That information is not for public viewing on a Cooper thread. Unless you search it out on your own, and that's up to you. Yes, I already know the numbers on Christiansen, but I figure if the FBI ever decides to take an interest in him, then they can easily get those same numbers on their own. I will call these numbers consistent and leave it at that.

You have excuses for excuses! If you have them produce them, he is deceased. There IS only ONE logical reason you will NOT produce the SS or IRS records - that is because YOU don't have them and you never tried to get them.

One can be assured that KC kept records on his income and his taxes paid each yr. Rental property he would NOT have to declare as that is NOT earned income. With rents - that is income, but NOT earned income and it is treated differently. One did not pay SS on investments such as rent.

Social Security is paid on EARNED income - not on investments. I do not know how somethings are handled now, but that is the way it used to be.

You can get earnings at the SSN dot gov site with a name, a birthdate, an SSN, and the mother's maiden name, last name only. Don't you think Porteous already thought of that and sent me this info? Of course he did.

Social Security keeps records of everything you earned reported on an IRS W-2 or whatever you file for taxes. It's how they base your future benefits on a 62/66/70 retirement age. You said that those numbers were Duane's SSN-reported earnings.

I said that Duane, whose history does not reflect anything like a steady or honest lifestyle, would be unlikely to work for 10K in reported wages the year after the hijacking. Especially if he fell into a million in today's dollars.

That's an opinion.

So you looked up Duane's and Jo's SS records ?

Or Porteous did and sent them to you?

Why?

Don't think Jo will be too happy to hear this!

You may have just bought yourself and Porteous a boat load of trouble, But thanks for bragging about it publicly.

'If Geoff used purloined info in his book then whoever bought the book may have a problemo - and Geoff may have some explaining to do.

Comedy ~ tragedy...'

You know what? I think the book buyers are safe enough. Fair Use would probably cover the rest. Failing that, anyone who spoke to him cannot squawk now. I'll support the film, but the comedic angle is tough. If anyone came to me on this subject, it's docudrama all the way or forget it.

Georger says in part:

Quote:

'So you looked up Duane's and Jo's SS records ?

Or Porteous did and sent them to you?'

No. Why would I be interested in Duane Weber's SS records? They've already been posted.

Yes, Christiansen's were checked.

I have the Ravens tomorrow for the Super Bowl, not that it matters. I am barbecuing Guam chicken for everyone. This is a few chickens cut up, slashed, and soaked in soy sauce, salt, pepper, onion, water, and garlic, for three days in the fridge. Then you take all the pieces and barbeque them.

I said that Duane, whose history does not reflect anything like a steady or honest lifestyle, would be unlikely to work for 10K in reported wages the year after the hijacking. Especially if he fell into a million in today's dollars.

That's an opinion.

You are a REAL piece of work. You have NO concept about the type of work Duane did. Have U ever worked on commissions only or did you always just draw a pay check. I will assure you that Duane live much better than 10 in reported income after deductions.

What U fail to grasp it that he spent more than that on 2 cars and trips - before March of 1972. He had go back to work - so why not do something that gave him flexibility. He knew he couldn't spend all of it - that someone would start looking into his source if he wasn't work.

Bare in MIND Duane was a criminal but NO ONE has ever said he was lazy. The man LIKED to work - He lived to WORK like honest people. He had to constantly live his life looking over his shoulder because if they found he was an excon - he lost his job - WHY he resorted to being a repeat thief. If they did a backgound check or required prints - he was out of a job.

Duane was a criminal but he was not completely stupid. He didn't have the formal training for certain jobs. I think I can take credit for his not ending up back in prison. Duane had WORK ethics, he just was NOT polished and with time and money he became everything he wanted to be...he learned how to be like normal people - he was able to move forward in his life.

His moving forward came in 1984 and someday if anyone cares I will tell that story. It was the one time he wanted to tell me about his past that Christmas he finally got intouch with his sister. He would call her but NEVER let her know where he was - do you even care WHY!

Social Security keeps records of everything you earned reported on an IRS W-2 or whatever you file for taxes. It's how they base your future benefits on a 62/66/70 retirement age. You said that those numbers were Duane's SSN-reported earnings.

I said that Duane, whose history does not reflect anything like a steady or honest lifestyle, would be unlikely to work for 10K in reported wages the year after the hijacking. Especially if he fell into a million in today's dollars.

Wrong! WRONG! WRONG! YOU just do NOT comprehend this AT all NOT AT ALL. Go to your local insurance sales man and ask him he gets paid and how much of his income has SS paid no it. Then ask him how much he paided in Federal taxes on is income. Taxes and SS are treated differently - last lesson you get - go get yourself a real job on commisions for a yr and then show us you tax report .

Hell, I do not know what make me spend my VALUABLE time trying to teach someone something about economics. If you don't grasp it that is your fault.

Truth is Blevins know most of his book is 99% contrived and he is very aware of this.

What could NO produce to the FBI that Cooper could have taken with him. Things that would prove he was on that plane.

One of the 20's. A flight ticket, The money bag, The satchel (yes the money was in a satchel and that came from a crew member. The chute, Book of matches, Hardware from the chute. An item Tina observed him playing with. An item he accidently touch on the plane.

Oh HELL too tired to deal with this crap tonight. I have more important thing to deal with right now!

‘The book tracks his story from the perspectives of three different people claiming to be him.’?

That's not the book I read, but Hollywood makes 'facts' every day.

So are the three Weber, Gosset and Dayton?

Will Jo get to see Duane portrayed on the big screen?

I understand Georger being pissed off that Gray disclosed his real name. The excuse Gray gave was so convoluted and self justified that it stunk. If you agree to keep something confidential you should keep your word, period, not construct excuses to violate trust. It's not like Gray had the info subpoenaed. Enough said.

I still hope the movie succeeds. Any DBC publicity renews and initiates interest in the case which is a positive thing. It enhances the chance that somebody somewhere will find some evidence and realize its relevance to the case.

Gluck’s directing deal is done, but his producing deal is still being worked on, according to an individual with knowledge of the situation.

Maria Faillace and Mark Ross will oversee the project, once CBS Films completes its negotiations for the rights to the New York Times bestseller, which fictionalizes the infamous skyjacking tale.

Back in 1971, Cooper took control of a Boeing 727 and earned $200,000 in ransom money. Authorities have never found or identified Cooper; Gray's story looks at him from the perspective of three different people.

The viewer won’t know which of the three is really Cooper until the end.

The action comedy aims for a mix of “The Usual Suspects” and “Catch Me if You Can.”

Social Security keeps records of everything you earned reported on an IRS W-2 or whatever you file for taxes. It's how they base your future benefits on a 62/66/70 retirement age. You said that those numbers were Duane's SSN-reported earnings.

I said that Duane, whose history does not reflect anything like a steady or honest lifestyle, would be unlikely to work for 10K in reported wages the year after the hijacking. Especially if he fell into a million in today's dollars.

Wrong! WRONG! WRONG! YOU just do NOT comprehend this AT all NOT AT ALL. Go to your local insurance sales man and ask him he gets paid and how much of his income has SS paid no it. Then ask him how much he paided in Federal taxes on is income. Taxes and SS are treated differently - last lesson you get - go get yourself a real job on commisions for a yr and then show us you tax report .

Jo, This may come as a shock to you, but I completely agree with you. YOU ARE RIGHT!

Blevins should take a look at the instructions for the standard 1040 tax return form. The easy file stuff doesn't count here.

There are all kinds of income that is not reported on W-2s (now generally replaced by form 1099) and on which Social Security tax is not paid. This income does not provide any Social Security benefits. But income taxes are calculated by the IRS on all income that is taxable (see your tax professional for an explanation of that one).

In the years where Duane reported (or didn't report) zero income, perhaps he had his taxes prepared by one of the famous Hollywood Motion Picture tax experts. Those people are legends for preparing returns where a movie that made five billion dollars in profits actually lost money for tax purposes.

If all of the above fails, expense accounts are a really GREAT way to go. You can trust me on that.

'Hell, I do not know what make me spend my VALUABLE time trying to teach someone something about economics. If you don't grasp it that is your fault.

Truth is Blevins know most of his book is 99% contrived and he is very aware of this...'

Look...whether Duane made more than the 9K or so he declared for 1972 doesn't matter. Let's say he made more. I guess my main point is that if Duane worked for reported wages in excess of $9,000 (sounds like a historic high at that point) than you have to wonder why he would do that after receiving over $200,000 in cash only months beforehand. Converting those numbers to today's dollars, this would be about $45,000 and $1,040,000 respectively.

To be fair, you could same the same thing about Christiansen. His filing for the year post-hijacking was about the same as the previous two years. Maybe a bit lower during a year they had a strike. The difference here is twofold, though. First, we can prove that KC went through, IN CASH, more than five times his declared income within a ten-month period following the hijacking. Not just a couple of cars, but some very substantial purchases. Two lots, a house, and the payoff of a promissory note. And some of the people he knew found this very suspicious.

I take objection to the idea that everything in the-thing-with-the-paper-covers is made-up. Nothing in it is 'made up' or contrived. A couple of mistakes were made in the historical references to what actually happened during the hijacking. But nothing from the witnesses is made up. If it were, I would not have made the report on KC public, since at some point SOMEONE will probably check it out. I gave enough information to do that, and if a serious investigator wanted the full text with the deleted information included, I would provide it to them if they wished, along with the pics and documents. None of it can prove KC is the hijacker, but what it CAN do is enable someone to get to the truth on him.

There are a couple of important items here. First, Geestman's agreement on television that KC could be the hijacker. Do you think he would have said that had he known (he didn't) that witnesses had already placed him with KC the week of the hijacking? Second, his weak denials to all the allegations. "He's lying!" is all he said about what I presented on he and KC. No explanations, no alibi, no answers to questions. Just a claim that I was lying about everything. Not good enough. I am not the one who was caught lying. He lied to me, to his sister, to Marisa Kagan at History Channel, and others. You already know the circumstances. Ask yourself why he would do this. Why did he try to get his sister to retract? Why did he tell Kagan he hardly knew KC? Why did he tell me he didn't know anything about the cash loan or the house purchase when he was involved in both transactions?

There are only two possible explanations: Either he was involved in the hijacking and the laundering of the money afterward, or the money came from Somewhere Else. We can definitely prove about the money. Where it originated is still in doubt.

Try to put yourself in Bernie Geestman's shoes for a moment. October, 2010. He gets into his car up in Port Angeles and drives down to Puyallup, WA for an interview with History Channel. He already knows what the subject will be, and has for some time. They are trying to connect Christiansen and he to the hijacking. When he gets there, when the questions start coming, he realizes they know more than he thinks and they are asking the right questions.

What does he do? He sits there like a stone for three hours and says nothing. NOTHING. They got five minutes of film they could actually use. Then the Legal Eagles at Go Go Luckey Productions tell the director he can't say on-air that Bernie was involved because Bernie didn't admit to anything.

Associate producer Pete Berg told me he was disappointed that Helen Jones wouldn't appear on the show. But she was afraid of Geestman, and said so. And by the time I got the full testimony from Jones on the two mens' whereabouts, the other crew, the one filming Geestman, was already complete. Bad timing. I have often wished that the Decoded folks could have confronted Geestman with her testimony after he said that he thought Kenny could be the hijacker. You know...like THIS:

Scott Rolle: "Now you say you think Christiansen could be the hijacker, right?"

Geestman: "Yes."

Rolle: "Then how do you explain the fact that your friend Helen Jones and her daughter both testify that you were with Christiansen the week of the hijacking?"

Bingo. What does he do now? This was a major failure on the part of the show, and on my part. If I hadn't gone to Twisp to do the final interview with Geestman's wife, I would have talked to Jones sooner and gotten her testimony to the Decoded cast in time. I also failed in another respect by not informing Berg that KC had purchased his house from the same couple where Geestman served as Best Man at their wedding. I didn't get my hands on the sales document until AFTER the revised edition of the book came out, and AFTER the History Channel showed aired. Too bad, since Geestman had previously claimed he didn't know how Kenny got the house, and until the document was discovered I had no way of disproving that claim.

Who the hell knows the truth? I certainly don't. But I did provide the tools for anyone to find out.

I gotta go barbecue chicken now. Better than thinking about all of this, and about my many regrets concerning the investigation into Christiansen. Maybe someone will figure it out someday. I don't know.

I don't think Weber, Dayton or Gosset was DBC but I'd like to correctly predict the movie ending.

Which DBC candidate gives the movie the highest box office ratings push? It might be Dayton.

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So who will be the directors'/Gray's chosen suspects?

BIG QUESTION which will set turf, set agendae, set focus in the public's mind, maybe give the FBI a laugh or two, set some actual researchers reeling, ... and I hear Blevins already pitching Kenny all over again as he is here today!

It's all good, says 377.

Duane Weber (almost has to be one suspect) Suspect #2 ? Suspect #3 in some form Kenny ?

Suspects chosen from those already in the public eye, for which there is already a rich Dropzone vita ... borrowed upon free of course! Gray probably pointed this out to potential movie makers since Gray is always looking for a meaningful handout!

But whose Kenny Christiansen? Gray's or Porteous/ Blevins'. Will Blevins get his legal dept moving, if he hasn't already, and file for ROYALTIES? This could lead to a soap opera worthy of 377's attention!

Who OWNS Kenny Christ? I have brought this issue up numerous times in the past - now do you see why? These are real questions with copyright and dollar$$$ signs attached to them. Will Gray pay Blevins' and Porteous off? Will they reach an amicable settlement?

Who else will have to get paid off? Tom Kaye?

Who else will have to get paid off short of lawsuits?

Will Jo Weber get paid off?

Will Pasternak get paid something?

Who gets a piece of the action and who does not?

Hell a movie could wind up being made about 'the movie'!

Will Lyle finally get paid off and what had Blevins told Lyle and what are the arrangements Blevins has not disclosed, as he blythly tore Dropzone a new asshole along the way, knowing all along, keeping track, prepared at length to give his portion away for free, in exchange for more publicity? Who is riding who across the river? Which frogs get stung by which scorpions?

Turns out 377 is a seasoned expert in all these matters. I hope Oprah - I mean 377 - will keep us informed.

"It's all good", the 377 axiom. And now we can expect more and better Cooper research than ever before .. Just have a good copyright attorney first!

Maybe Obama will set up a program for economically disadvantaged 'Cooper Researchers' who wish to compete in the shark infested waters of ... the Cooperphelia? Blevins and Gray and movie makers will all apply too under the Equal Inequality Clause!

Will there be a public offering 377 can get in on?

It's all good.

At the end of it all, Cooper will be known, and the case closed. And you were there!

'Who OWNS Kenny Christiansen? I have brought this issue up numerous times in the past - now do you see why? These are real questions with copyright and dollar$$$ signs attached to them. Will Gray pay Blevins' and Porteous off? Will they reach an amicable settlement?...'

You are mistaken. I have answered these questions, including the one about Lyle, multiple times.

The rights to Blast and all docs/pictures associated with Christiansen (the ones provided by Porteous, myself, or the Christiansen family only) belong to AB. Anything else is public domain.

There is no infringement possible by the film producers unless they use those docs/pics or pull directly from the book beyond Fair Use rules.

Lyle and his family stand to gain zero on anything related to Christiansen. They signed over all the rights gladly. They don't want to anyway. Most of them are a bit embarassed by the whole thing, being rather old-fashioned folks. Yes, they would like to know the truth about Kenny.

I have no intention of trying to gain in any way as a result of the upcoming film. It's a comedy. Fine with me if they name Barb Dayton or anyone else except KC as the hijacker because I see nothing funny regarding the Christiansen story. Gray and the film producers are free to do the film as they wish, and if they want to mention KC along the way, I have no problem with that either. I like Gray and I wish him the best. When the film comes out, I will go see it and then buy a copy later on DVD. One thing about keeping the public eye on Cooper is that there's always a chance someone legitimate will come forward (non-Marla) with solid, new, information.

If anyone ever approaches us about doing a film on KC, I will insist on it being a fact-based drama or it's no deal.

No film should be made solely on KC until (if and when) he is proven to be the hijacker. Otherwise, how will you write the ending? At this point I would say no to any producer unless they can prove the case on Kenny. I said yes to History Channel because they were doing a straight investigation.