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General Politics Forum for topics that are not necessarily current events.enThu, 24 May 2018 16:22:57 GMTvBulletin60https://www.justplainpolitics.com/images/misc/rss.pngJust Plain Politics! - Political Debate Forums - General Politics Forumhttps://www.justplainpolitics.com/
Rachel Maddow gave a very important history lesson last night.https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?96068-Rachel-Maddow-gave-a-very-important-history-lesson-last-night&goto=newpost
Thu, 24 May 2018 15:37:05 GMTIn 1960 the Russians approached Democrat Adlai Stephenson. They wanted him to win the the presidency. They said we like you, how can we help you....In 1960 the Russians approached Democrat Adlai Stephenson. They wanted him to win the the presidency. They said we like you, how can we help you. Adlia declined the offer, wrote down what was said and reported it to the Republican president, Ike. They did not inform the public until years later.

Kennedy won the democratic nomination, the Russians approached Kennedy. We like you, how can we help you win. Kennedy said we don't do that here in America. He declined.

In 1964 the same thing happened to Johnson. He declined.

It did not happen again until 2015,2016. The Russians approached Trump and said we like you. How can we help you win. Trump said yes. Its that simple, what Russia did is not new. What is new is Trump did what no law abiding American would ever do. He turned traitor and said yes.

How Adlai Stevenson Stopped Russian Interference in the 1960 Election

The Soviets offered the former presidential candidate propaganda support if he ran in 1960, an offer he politely declined

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart...IdE7gdZkZOu.99
]]>General Politics ForumBourbonhttps://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?96068-Rachel-Maddow-gave-a-very-important-history-lesson-last-nightMH-17, or Russia in a liehttps://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?96065-MH-17-or-Russia-in-a-lie&goto=newpost
Thu, 24 May 2018 14:45:56 GMTThe investigation team, which includes representatives of five countries, concluded that the Boeing 777 carrying MH-17 was shot down over the Donbas...The investigation team, which includes representatives of five countries, concluded that the Boeing 777 carrying MH-17 was shot down over the Donbas on July 17, 2014 from the Buk unit belonging to the Kursk 53rd Air Defense Brigade of the Russian Armed Forces forces. The head of the central department of criminal investigations of the National Police of the Netherlands Vilbert Paulissen said: "All the cars in the escort that accompanied the missile system belonged to the Russian armed forces." At the press conference, a fragment of a missile that knocked down a passenger airliner was also demonstrated. https://www.bbc.com/russian/news-44236284
Putin and his chauvinists probably can not get away from the factual material provided by the investigation. No wonder Russia was against the creation of an international tribunal for this crime.

Alik Bakhshi

MH-17, or Russia in a lie

So, after a two-year investigation of the Netherlands published an interim report of an international group of experts about the cause of the crash Malaysian Boeing-777, the MH-17 flight over the territory of South-Eastern Ukraine, rejection of Russian separatists with military support from Ukraine. On the basis of valid facts experts concluded that the aircraft was shot down by air defense missile system "Buk", which contradicts promulgated in 2014 the Russian Defense Ministry radar data indicative of finding Ukrainian attack aircraft C-25 in the sky at the time of the disaster, which is missile "air-to air "supposedly brought down the plane.
It seems that Russian power structures there is a competition for Russian disavowal of blame for the deaths of 298 people MH-17 flight. Kremlin is rushing from one absurdity to another. Put forward a variety of mutually false assumption to avoid responsibility for the downed «Boeing-777". So, based apparently on the assumption that the US space surveillance could register absence in the incident area more any aircraft object, in addition to the Malaysian liner, followed by the assertion that the Boeing-777 was struck by a missile "surface-to-air", launched from the territory controlled by Ukrainian military indicating the exact rocket launch site - at the settlement Zaroshchenske.
However, taken soil samples did not confirm the Russian version of the missile launch at Zaroshchenske. From a survey of eyewitnesses it was revealed that the rocket was launched in the area of the settlement of snow. For collecting samples of soil found the exact location of the launch rocket, namely settlement Pervomayskiy, which is two kilometers from the municipality of snow, which is on the territory of the self-proclaimed republic of Donetsk. The report also pointed out that the complex "Buk" was delivered to the Russian border, and after the launch of a missile by the Malaysian «Boeing-777" hastily evacuated back to Russia.

The lack of information about the investigation made it difficult in choosing the Kremlin false choices, refuting the participation of Russian air defense systems in the Donetsk region. In this connection it is interesting the last Russian reaction to the report of the Netherlands. Russia introduced a new radar data of the situation at the time of death Boeing, from which it follows that no missiles or attack aircraft Ukrainian radar station is not registered. Involuntarily the question arises as to why these data Russia hid for two years and gave the commission leading the investigation, only after reading the report. Moreover, Russia can claim that the missile was launched from the village Ukrainians Roschenskoe if the submitted data it is not fixed radars of any missiles. It turns out that the flight MH-17 was shot down, and fell on his own. Absurd! The Kremlin finally entangled in lies

Now I understand why Russia vetoed a UN Security Council resolution on the establishment of an international tribunal into the death of Flight MH-17. Chief liar Empire of Lies (1) tries to take the blame for the death of Russian military 298 people.

It is time for the Russian aggression in Georgia and Ukraine, with the blood-drenched Chechnya excluded from the United Nations, as was once expelled from the League of Nations, the Soviet Union has unleashed a war with Finland in 1939. The international community finally has to realize that to negotiate, let alone sign any documents with false Russian is useless.

10/8/16
]]>General Politics ForumAlik Bahshihttps://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?96065-MH-17-or-Russia-in-a-liehttps://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?96062-George-Zimmerman-tells-court-he-s-2-5-million-in-debt-has-no-income&goto=newpost
Thu, 24 May 2018 14:04:19 GMTGeorge Zimmerman has $2.5 million in debt and no income, according to paperwork in his misdemeanor stalking case.
The details of Zimmerman’s...George Zimmerman has $2.5 million in debt and no income, according to paperwork in his misdemeanor stalking case.

The details of Zimmerman’s finances were filed in Seminole County court in support of a request for Zimmerman to be represented by the Public Defender’s Office, which has since been granted.

Zimmerman is now being represented by Public Defender Blaise Trettis, records show, whose office filed a not-guilty plea and a request for a jury trial on his behalf, both typical steps in criminal cases.

Zimmerman was slated to appear in court for an arraignment May 30, but his defense waived that proceeding, records show.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...523-story.html
]]>General Politics ForumBourbonhttps://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?96062-George-Zimmerman-tells-court-he-s-2-5-million-in-debt-has-no-incomeIf not the Nobel Prize for Peace, maybe he can have the Nobel Prize for Literature?https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?96060-If-not-the-Nobel-Prize-for-Peace-maybe-he-can-have-the-Nobel-Prize-for-Literature&goto=newpost
Thu, 24 May 2018 13:48:32 GMTJuly 22, 2016
The ghostwriters who wrote books with Donald Trump have made headlines of their own this week. First, Tony Schwartz, who worked with...July 22, 2016
The ghostwriters who wrote books with Donald Trump have made headlines of their own this week. First, Tony Schwartz, who worked with Trump on his best-selling autobiography, “The Art of the Deal,” confessed to the New Yorker that much of the book was fictionalized — and that the real-estate mogul barely read the book, let alone wrote it, as he’s boasted.

And then it was Meredith McIver’s turn in the spotlight. She’s the writer who helped with several Trump books, and this week she took the blame for the lines in Melania Trump’s Republican National Convention address that were lifted from a 2008 speech by Michelle Obama.
. . . .
Whatever the terms, writers say, their job is to minimize their involvement. And, some say, the “principal” might actually believe that they did write the book, no matter how many words they actually put to paper. “You often have people who are used to being in charge of a brand, so they believe that whatever is done on their behalf is something they legitimately can take credit for,” said one publishing industry source.

July 18, 2016
Donald J. Trump has regularly boasted about “The Art of the Deal,” his best-selling autobiography, as a business bible that demonstrates the sharp negotiating prowess he would bring to the presidency. The book, released in 1987, details his rise to the top of New York’s real estate world; it helped spawn his career as a reality television star and cemented his image as a winner with a golden touch.

But Tony Schwartz, the book’s ghostwriter, who spent 18 months in the 1980s interviewing and shadowing Mr. Trump, says that it is really a work of fiction.
. . . .
“I feel a deep sense of remorse that I contributed to presenting Trump in a way that brought him wider attention and made him more appealing than he is,” Mr. Schwartz said. “I genuinely believe that if Trump wins and gets the nuclear codes, there is an excellent possibility it will lead to the end of civilization.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/19/u...-schwartz.html
]]>General Politics ForumTranquillus in Exilehttps://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?96060-If-not-the-Nobel-Prize-for-Peace-maybe-he-can-have-the-Nobel-Prize-for-LiteratureTrump’s Election Won’t Stop ‘End of White Christian America’https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?96048-Trump’s-Election-Won’t-Stop-‘End-of-White-Christian-America’&goto=newpost
Thu, 24 May 2018 03:10:43 GMTAfter a long life spanning nearly two hundred and forty years, White Christian America—a prominent cultural force in the nation’s history—has died....After a long life spanning nearly two hundred and forty years, White Christian America—a prominent cultural force in the nation’s history—has died. WCA first began to exhibit troubling symptoms in the 1960s when white mainline Protestant denominations began to shrink, but showed signs of rallying with the rise of the Christian Right in the 1980s. Following the 2004 presidential election, however, it became clear that WCA’s powers were failing. Although examiners have not been able to pinpoint the exact time of death, the best evidence suggests that WCA finally succumbed in the latter part of the first decade of the twenty‐first century. The cause of death was determined to be a combination of environmental and internal factors— complications stemming from major demographic changes in the country, along with religious disaffiliation as many of its younger members began to doubt WCA’s continued relevance in a shifting cultural environment.

https://chicagotonight.wttw.com/2017...-america:cool:
]]>General Politics Forumgunohttps://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?96048-Trump’s-Election-Won’t-Stop-‘End-of-White-Christian-America’SCARED WHILE WHITE:HYSTERIA ABOUT PEOPLE OF COLOR DUE TO PARANOID FEAR OF RETRIBUTIONhttps://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?96041-SCARED-WHILE-WHITE-HYSTERIA-ABOUT-PEOPLE-OF-COLOR-DUE-TO-PARANOID-FEAR-OF-RETRIBUTION&goto=newpost
Wed, 23 May 2018 22:26:26 GMTWhy would they fear retribution?
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What...Why would they fear retribution?

What is driving this hysteria among white people, that they feel the need to call 911 when people of color are simply occupying a space that white people feel they should not be in? And how is it that the police keep responding to these non-threatening behaviors as if innocent people are a threat?

]]>General Politics Forumgunohttps://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?96041-SCARED-WHILE-WHITE-HYSTERIA-ABOUT-PEOPLE-OF-COLOR-DUE-TO-PARANOID-FEAR-OF-RETRIBUTIONLefty reality checkhttps://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?96033-Lefty-reality-check&goto=newpost
Wed, 23 May 2018 20:27:13 GMTLooks like lefties need a quick reality check, so here is an important message from Hillary for you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-Zt_oGTm4ILooks like lefties need a quick reality check, so here is an important message from Hillary for you.

Brooke Binkowski, managing editor of the fact-checking site Snopes, said she had seen a spike in the amount and popularity of fake news directed toward liberal audiences.

“Whoever is in power is going to be the target,” said Eugene Kiely, director of FactCheck.org

On the left, there are numerous styles of misinformation that appear to be gaining traction.

In addition to blatantly fabricated stories, there have been increasing concerns about articles featuring deceitful and hyperbolic headlines, viral memes that have a very tenuous connection to the truth and poorly sourced articles that use inaccurate visuals to draw readers.

Other recent fake or misleading stories catering to progressive audiences include a LearnProgress.org piece that said Melania Trump was selling jewelry on the White House website; a viral story about a boy handcuffed at an airport due to Trump’s immigration ban, which was actually from 2015; and a Polticot.com story with a fabricated Mike Pence quote about abortion and rape.

Progressives have also widely shared tweets from a number of accounts claiming to be rogue government officials speaking out against Trump, even though there’s no evidence that they are run by public servants.

Liberal anxieties about Trump have created an appetite for false news, and social psychology dictates that fearful people may be more gullible, said Claire Wardle, research director with First Draft News. Users are especially susceptible when stories and images appear directly in their social feeds, she added. “If one of your peers sends something, you already trust them. So you are much less likely to be critical.”

Outrage at Trump ultimately makes users vulnerable to false stories, said Fil Menczer, a professor at Indiana University. And if progressives do start reading higher quantities of fake news, he said, the country would probably become even more divided. “It means more polarization, more segregation and stronger echo chambers.”

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/feb/06/liberal-fake-news-shift-trump-standing-rock
]]>General Politics ForumLegionhttps://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?96029-Fake-news-for-liberals-misinformation-leans-leftWhite people should be more afraid of other whites than they are of people of colorhttps://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?96025-White-people-should-be-more-afraid-of-other-whites-than-they-are-of-people-of-color&goto=newpost
Wed, 23 May 2018 18:09:06 GMThttp://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-males-white-americans-violence-sanctuary-cities-20170803-story.html
President Trump would have us...http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed...803-story.html

President Trump would have us believe that white Americans are endangered by immigrant drug dealers and gangsters, and the liberal politicians who abet them with so-called sanctuary cities.

At a recent rally in Ohio, Trump used lurid language to claim that gang members "slice and dice" beautiful girls like "animals." Last week, his administration strengthened its crackdown on sanctuary jurisdictions, announcing a new policy that requires local governments to either cooperate with federal immigration agents or lose funding.

It's obvious to anyone who's listening that when Trump talks about this terrifying other he's really talking about non-white people, not just any old foreigner; and indeed, Trump supporters in surveys conflate their fears of immigrants and dark-skinned people.

These fears, however, are not founded in reality. White people should be more afraid of other whites than they are of people of color.
]]>General Politics ForumBourbonhttps://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?96025-White-people-should-be-more-afraid-of-other-whites-than-they-are-of-people-of-colorGun was hidden in oven for safekeeping.https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?96011-Gun-was-hidden-in-oven-for-safekeeping&goto=newpost
Wed, 23 May 2018 16:14:19 GMTOblivious baker found out with a 'bang,' cops say

Using your oven for gun storage? Turns out it’s a recipe for disaster.

A Warren, Ohio, father wanted to keep his revolver out of his kids’ hands when they visited his home Sunday, so he hid the weapon in the broiler of his Maytag oven, according to police. But Robin Garlock, 44, didn’t tell his girlfriend about the hiding spot before she started heating the oven to do some baking later that night, the Youngstown Vindicator reports.

She found out about the gun with a “bang,” police said — though at first she assumed the gunfire she heard had come from outside the house, the newspaper reports. The girlfriend yelled for Garlock, who told her to run for cover, according to police. Garlock then headed for the broiler himself, where he was burned as he tried to secure the weapon.

]]>General Politics ForumBourbonhttps://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?96011-Gun-was-hidden-in-oven-for-safekeepingProof that Trump is way harder on Russia than Obama!https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?96008-Proof-that-Trump-is-way-harder-on-Russia-than-Obama!&goto=newpost
Wed, 23 May 2018 15:43:06 GMTRefusing to execute the Russian sanctions that Congress has approved!

Attacking the US intelligence community's conclusion about Russian meddling!

Giving code word-level top secret US intelligence information to Russia! For free!

Having said that, I’m incredibly proud of the work that this administration has done in countering Russia. It is light years better than was done in the previous administration
]]>General Politics ForumBourbonhttps://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?96008-Proof-that-Trump-is-way-harder-on-Russia-than-Obama!https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?96006-Naval-Academy-grads-will-respect-the-president-s-office-but-not-necessarily-the-man&goto=newpost
Wed, 23 May 2018 15:37:31 GMTStephen Wrage is a professor in the political science department at the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis. This piece reflects the author’s views and not those of the Navy or any other organization.

The day it was announced that President Trump would speak at the U.S. Naval Academy graduation, I received startling emails from several midshipmen, written to my private email account from their private accounts. One message said: “We are under no obligation to clap for Donald Trump. Trump wants the image of young service members cheering him on and we can deny him that image.” Another proposed an online petition on social media, pledging not to applaud Trump at commissioning. There were four more with similar themes: “We are taught selflessness; he practices narcissism.” “If he is a role model, it is only in the exact opposite.”

This sort of defiance was new to me, even after 25 years of teaching at the academy. Their complaints centered on the president’s character. After a series of exchanges, the mids agreed that no action should mar their commissioning on Friday, except insofar as Trump himself will mar it.

The mids found a better model in Defense Secretary Jim Mattis — a better model of a leader and a better way to conduct themselves. At Trump’s first full Cabinet meeting, when he went around the table demanding expressions of adulation, Mattis didn’t comply. The retired Marine Corps general performed what one mid admiringly called “the Mattis sidestep.” Mattis countered with respect for the people he leads: “Mr. President, it’s an honor to represent the men and women of the Department of Defense. We are grateful for the sacrifices our people are making in order to strengthen our military, so our diplomats always negotiate from a position of strength.” The mids will sidestep Trump. They will withhold the praise he wants but they will show no sign of disrespect.

Trump is needy, and military events such as the parade in Paris excite him. There are some mids who will be thrilled by him, and some parents from red states will be tempted to treat the ceremony like a rally, but most will sense how much the day means to their daughters and sons and will restrain themselves. Some faculty will want to turn their backs or walk out when Trump speaks, but most who would protest will just stay home.

There is no question, however, how the officers whom the midshipmen report to will behave: They will offer the quiet deference they owe to the office of the president. They speak with full academic freedom in their classrooms, but they maintain military decorum at a ceremony.