Hanoi John Kerry – Still Unfit For Command

In 1971, John F. Kerry testified on the Hill about what he said were atrocities committed in Vietnam by our Armed Forces. Turns out that every single Winter Soldier was a bold-faced liar. John Kerry was their spokesman and the leader of the Vietnam Veterans against the war. He was the premier Code Pinko of his day.

Before the war was even over John F Kerry traveled to North Vietnam to cavort with our enemies while we were still engaged in combat operations. In any other war, he would have been convicted for aiding and abetting our enemies in time of war, and taken out and shot or hung for high treason.

Instead, the people of MA saw fit to elect Ritchie Rich as one of their Senators.

Since VN, John Kerry has shown himself to be just another leftist empty suit. Bad for America; and an ally of all our enemies.

In her 2004 article, Roberta Leguizamon writes about a documentary called “Stolen Honor: Wounds that Never Heal” which documents

“how a young John Kerry jumpstarted his political career by denouncing American soldiers — and how the Vietnamese used his actions to torture, demoralize and threaten American Prisoners of War. In production before the Swift Boat Veterans for the Truth splashed onto the scene, the documentary’s producers say “Stolen Honor” juxtaposes Kerry’s work with the Vietnam Veterans Against the War with the words of veterans who were still in Vietnam when Kerry was leading the antiwar movement. “

Here’s a taste:

“Retired Captain James H. Warner — a Marine who was held in North Vietnam for five years, five months — is a recipient of the Legion of Merit, two Bronze Stars, two Purple Hearts, 11 Air Medals and the Navy Commendation Medal.[1] Warner gives some of the most powerful testimony of how John Kerry’s words were used against POWs in “Stolen Honor:

In the Spring of 1971, I was taken with 35 others to a camp outside of Hanoi. All of us were put in solitary confinement, and we were told this was a camp for punishment guys who were misbehaving. From the moment we were on the ground we were constantly fed propaganda, and the propaganda from home was always about the antiwar movement. After we had talked for quite some time, the interrogator showed me a transcript of testimony that my mother had given at something called the Winter Soldier hearings. I had no idea what these were. I read her testimony and it wasn’t damning, but then I saw some of the other stuff that had gone on at this Winter Soldier hearing, I wondered how did somebody get my mother persuaded to appear at something like this.

Shortly thereafter he showed me some statements from John Kerry. He said that John Kerry had helped organize the Winter Soldier hearings because he was so motivated because he had been an American officer, served in the U.S. Navy. And then he started reading some of the statements that John Kerry had made. I’m sorry I can’t quote them, but essentially he accused all of us in Vietnam of being criminals, that everything we had done was criminal. The North Vietnamese had told us from the time that we got their hands on us that we were criminals, that we were not covered by the Geneva Convention, so It was okay for them to do whatever they wanted to do to us. And they told us that they were going to put us on trial and some of us would be executed”.”

“Retired Colonel Leo K. Thorsness — a Vietnam Air Force veteran and recipient of the Medal of Honor, Silver Star, six Distinguished Flying Crosses, 10 Air Medals, two Purple Hearts and the Good Conduct Medal — spent five years and 19 days as a POW. In “Stolen Honor” he reports:

A measure of patriotism is his loyalty to those still in uniform. That’s totally contrary to what he did. That makes him totally unpatriotic or loyal. He was over there fighting, he came home and there were still people he knew over there fighting, and he starts talking about war crimes and the atrocities we’re committing. He’s putting them in dire jeopardy. Every military combat guy I’ve talked to from Vietnam said their greatest fear was not being killed; it was becoming a POW. As you know, there were people captured in South Vietnam who were literally skinned alive…And Kerry’s giving the captors ammunition to treat people like that if they’re captured. And these are people he knew. Where in the world is his loyalty to the people in the military?”

“Retired Lt. Ralph E. Gaither, U.S. Air Force veteran and author of With God in a POW Camp, spent more than seven years as a POW. He reports in the documentary that Kerry’s antiwar action proved deadly to his colleagues:

We didn’t realize how powerful the movement was until toward the end of the war. I dedicated the book I wrote to John Frederick – he died 6 months before we came home. John would probably have been alive had the antiwar movement not been doing what they were doing. The Vietnamese grew great relish in the movement in support for their cause. I’m convinced that they held on to the war until after Nixon was reelected. They felt Nixon would not be re-elected, that the antiwar movement would be strong enough to get him out of office.”

She goes on to say that “in his 1971 book, The New Soldier, which sports a parody of the famous Iwo Jima flag raising, in which a group of scruffy soldiers are planting a flag upside down on the cover, Kerry said, “We will not quickly join those who march on Veterans’ Day waving small flags, calling to memory those thousands who died for the ‘greater glory of the United States.’ We will not readily join the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars.”

Do we really want this traitorous scum as our next Secretary Of State? I say hell no.

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Biggbear52

The thought that anyone ever thought this fool was ever fit to command anything is scary enough. Just like the current KUNTMANNDER AND CHIMP!

badbadlibs

It’s entirely bad enough the state of Mass. keeps re-electing this treasonous, America hating thug. But, to try and foist this man on the rest of the United States is even more criminal then Hanoi Kerry’s crimes against humanity.
But, you know it thrills the likes of bo and that thing he married and the rest of his brown shirted followers to appoint Kerry, if for no other reason then to slap the face of those who made sure he never became president. We have the worst administration in our short history. 🙁

By Obama nominating Kerry, Hagel and Lew it is abundantly clear what his intentions are for our country. What makes the situation more dire is the mainstream media constantly lies and deceives to support our pathological Liar-in Chief. By being sworn in on the Lincoln Bible, Obama is spitting in the face of all Americans.

badbadlibs

Well said.

PatrickHenrysBody

John F’ing Kerry has been and always will be a traitor. He had lifelong ambitions of becoming a career politician, even President. He used his service to feed those ambitions and when it didn’t exactly go his way and he found out just how difficult it could be to be a dedicated member of the military, what did he do? He turned traitor and sold his soul to the Devil, bought with the blood of American POWs. As has been stated before, in another time, he would have been charged with treason and executed. Now look where he’s at and where he has been. In political positions he had no business being in the first place. Truly an evil, repulsive, vile hypocrite of the highest order.

badbadlibs

I have a friend who served in Viet Nam, his disdain for Obama is on par with mine, but compared to what he feels about Kerry, it’s a love affair. You sound much like him. It’s a crying shame that today that men like Kerry get away with treason.

PatrickHenrysBody

It really is. John F’ing Kerry dishonors any American who ever served in Vietnam. What he did and continues to do is treasonous. He really thinks that what he did and is doing is patriotic and he sees nothing wrong with. A truly heartless leftist global authoritarian hypocrite with absolutely no conscience.

Under different circumstances (like say WWII) this POS would be in prison or dead. With the current Congress and the fact the republicans have noballs, sKerry will most likely fly through the hearings unscathed and Obama’s dream of destroying America will be one step closer.

This treasonous pos along with dear leader have done nothing but spit on our troops and they both deserve a special place in hell for it. I can’t stand these pukes.

MadAsHellJack

As a Vietnam Vet I believe there will never be any justice for Vietnam Vets for the treasonous acts committed by Kerry and Hanoi Jane. It has been over 40 years and still no accountable for these two disgusting traitors. If it were within my power they’d have both been hung long ago.

sjmom

Jack, I know many who served in Vietnam and I also know a few who did not return. How you were treated was disgraceful but many of us are grateful. Thank you for your service because you are an American hero and a patriot. 🙂

PS. I agree Kerry and Fonda should have been held accountable.

warpmine

You can blame that on Nixon, he should have had them shot.

Argus

Actually, a recent revelation in the Boston Globe (December 21, 2012, “Roots of John Kerry’s secretary of state ambition lie in wake of 2004 defeat”) sheds NEW light on Kerry’s non-accountability and illuminates your observation.

Quoting Melvin Laird (former Nixon Sec. of Defense), we learn that the United States Navy TWICE petitioned the Nixon administration for authorization to COURT MARTIAL John Kerry (quite plausibly for TREASON).

This is NEW information that surely warrants further exploration by the senate confirmation process.

We are about to elevate an individual who dodged a COURT MARTIAL bullet to the status of fourth in line for the Presidency.

God help us.

warpmine

“We are about to elevate an individual who dodged a COURT MARTIAL bullet to the status of fourth in line for the Presidency.”

You mean the Imperial Throne, don’t you?

americalsgt

I really hate people who lie about their service record, and I think Kerry is one of the worst. The way he came back and sold us out was nauseating. I don’t know for sure, but I wouldn’t be surprised if one of his purple hearts might not have come from cutting the web of his thumb cause he didn’t know how to use a 79. My tour wasn’t all that bad although 5 months as a human mine detector on the Batangan Peninsula had its moments; as did a couple forays into spelunking. The two bronze stars I got were for service and Bronze Stars don’t mean anything without a “V”. The “V” I did get was for an ARCOM and that was for real along with the CIB. When I got a rear job – yea, part of my tour was as a REMF- I worked in the hooch where the award presentations were written. Man the things that were made up; kinda like creative writing class. We used to get these lifers coming in making suggestions as to how the copy should be written and making suggestions as to how it should worded it in the hope of having it elevated to a higher award. That’s my two cents on the true meaning of medals. But we should look on the bright side. Instead of Kerry, we could end up with Blumental.

Funny thing is Canada, before shipping out (actually we went to Vietnam on a plane) I went to Canada where I met up with the resistance. I had quasi-family there so I could have done it. The thing was after talking to a bunch of losers on a snowy December night on Bloor Street I decided that I would rather die than be like them. So I went.

…Bloor Street in Toronto , ever have a cold one at the Jarvis House Tavern , on Jarvis or the Black Swan Tavern on the Danforth Ave. in the East End ?”

americalsgt

Can’t say that I have. It was the winter of 69 I was hungry just barely alive – no I’m joking and apologies to Levon’s spirit. But at the time, Bloor was the Haight Ashbury of the north as I’m sure you know. When I made the decision to leave and take the long flight west by way of Seattle and Anchorage, there was no doubt in my mind that I made the right call.

Good grief, I never went to those places but I remember them. Jarvis was a pretty racy district lol.

sjmom

Thank you for your service, you are a hero and a patriot.

aposematic

A note on medals: I received a Bronze Star (no V), never understood why as I never felt I ever did anything other than what any other well trained soldier did or would do. Having said that, I never talk about VN specifics to anyone not experienced being there, and rarely even then. Tried watching the above clip and couldn’t get past first minute. Video real, music and voiceover just creepy. Thanks for your service and all served and serving!

Not only that, but he was actually associating with the North Vietnamese while wearing his Naval Reserve uniform! THAT is NOT allowed under any circumstances!

badbadlibs

“Any circumstances” only applies to conservatives at this point, sadly.

bjohnson55

This guy is like a bad case of herpes, he keeps coming back to make your life miserable. I cannot think of a single person more mismatched for a position than Kerry is for this position but of course my being on the complete opposite end of the political (and sanity) scale this would be the guy the Socialists would want there.

cabensg

Even more amazing this is who Democrats ran as their nominee for president. To this day I can’t get over the fact people actually voted for him. The only Democrat president I have any respect for was Harry Truman.

All you will get with Kerry as Secretary of State is a person who is willing to appease any radical Islamist out there just to avoid a confrontation. No matter what that radical Islamist is willing to do, no matter who he wants to harm or intimidate, Kerry will look to cut a deal just so he can avoid standing up to them on anything. If I were an Israeli right now, I’d be very worried about how soon Obama and Kerry will throw Israel under the bus just to appease Iran and their minions in Hamas and Hezbollah. It’s only a matter of time before Iran gets its nuclear weapon and the west folds like a cheap tent. Unfortunately, Israel doesn’t have that “luxury.” It will have to fight to the bitter end and they will have Obama to “thank” for it.

aposematic

You can add Brennen and Hagel to that.

sjmom

it is for his treasonous acts Obama has nominated Kerry to be Secretary of State. Obama is looking for people whose views are like his; unAmerican. If you hate America why would you nominate an American war hero? You wouldn’t and I would say to one and all to expect this kind of nomination in the future by the Traitor in Chief. Obama is hell bent on destroying this nation but by the grace of God he will be stopped.

StrangernFiction

What ‘rat/Marxist IS fit for command?

americalsgt

I like Right Scoop. People seem pretty decent here. Yesterday I made a comment on Mother Jones. Nothing distasteful, but a comment. Man the hate over there is amazing. The worst part is, someone calls you this that and the other and you go back to respond, and there is no reply button. Great way to turn off conversation I guess.

In the 70’s I wore one of the MIA braclets as a 12 year old. I have tried to find the family on line of my soldier with no luck. I am now 51 and Lt. Gary Scull is a name I will always remember.

americlsgt…Thank you for your service and glad you came home where most of us support and supported you. There are more of us than them, they just get the coverage.

americalsgt

Maybe it was for the best BOPOS. My wife, whose father went in with the 101st on D-Day and whose mother who outranked him as a Lt in the Navy, had one of those MIA bracelets. She found the guy associated with it. After contacted him he replied with an F U letter. He must have known Kerry.

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colliemum

Just joining in with the crowd, welcoming you, americalsgt!

Cindy09

Welcome americalsgt!!

You found the right site! 🙂

badbadlibs

I don’t know who or what a “Mother Jones” is, but apparently they are liberal. Liberals live on hypocrisy, much the same way actual humans live off of oxygen.
P/S, allow me to add my welcome to the chorus. 🙂

It took me a long time to understand, but what I have learned is that the “right” is far more tolerant of my “left” leanings, than the left is of my “right” opinions.
This was shocking when I learned it.
The image of the intolerant right, is seemingly a projection issue.

Sober_Thinking

So pathetic that a flaming communist, anti-war, anti-American like this clown is able to slither his way to the top by saying, doing and supporting ALL the wrong things. We’ve become so ridiculously tolerant and enlightened haven’t we? Liberals are a disease.

No wonder Obama loves this idiot. Birds of a feather…

Wait a minute… my position on this moron and his keeper may be evolving… wait… oh sorry, I was passing gas.

Rshill7

He’s John Kerry…and he’s…reporting for dookie 🙂

911Infidel

ROFLMAO.

Nukeman60

Kerry is the worst of the worst, if you ask me. But no matter who Obama picks as Sec of State, they will be a flunky for his policies of anti-American sentiment. With a Commander-of-Thieves in the White House, what else would we expect for a Secretary-of-Hate.

57thunderbird

He and Hanoi Jane should both be in prison for treason!As well as the current POTUS!

mikeinidaho

Kerry has been, is now and will be a traitor to this country. He’s an opportunistic communist piece of filth who should have been locked away for life…or worse after his testimony and antics in 1971. this info was given by the “Swift Boat” veterans when Kerry attempted to run for president. They were vilified by the media, but have been vindicated by history.
In other words, he fits right in with this communist administration and should not be allowed to participate in any governement activities, period. He’s a lying traitor and I’d be happy to repeat that in person, to his horse face anytime.

Landscaper

John,
Can you send me some ketchup. Your last wife owns that right?

StNikao

The US became a war zone between communist/progressives and law-abiding citizens when it gave up firing squads and hanging for traitors.

notebene

What in heaven’s name is wrong with the people of Massachusetts that they would continually elect this fool into office? He has not one redeeming quality! He is married to Theresa Heinz, another commie flunkie and they both are raging hypocrits. They are all for raising taxes on the wealthy, yet they don’t dock their yacht in their state to avoid the taxes for doing so! They repulse me so much that I refuse to by any heinz product, so that I’m not contributing to their outrageous wealth, that NEITHER of them earned! She was a gold digger and after her husband died, Kerry married her to link his family’s money to her wealthy wagon. Neither of them worked to get where they are, but they claim to be for the working man…what a pathetic joke! It’s sick that he’s been allowed to sit in his Senator’s office and collect a paycheck to put a knife in the heart of the republic he claims to serve, when what he really does is continue to fill his greedy pockets with our tax payer dollars to push his sick commie agenda! Kerry is a traitor to all of the citizens of the United States and should be in federal prison!

Political elites like Kerry are guaranteed reelection. It has nothing to do with voter fraud, and everything to do with electronic election fraud. McCain, Kerry, Reid, etc. are locked in until election fraud is dealt with.

aposematic

Have we forgotten the D’s tried to elevate this traitor to POTUS in 2004. The D’s finally got their wish come true in 2008, with Obuma. Naturally Obuma is rewarding his fellow traitors. What the Hell were/are the American D voters thinking?

kloyd0306

Not just the American D voters…….

What about ALL the American voters – period!

Seriously, it may be too late. The Rs that stayed home in November have screwed us.

aposematic

I can’t prove the hypothesis, fewer R’s voted, wrong and although the one’s that could possibly prove it wrong to be anything but interested in doing so leaves it an hypothesis. An hypothesis that until it is proven not wrong, I do not accept. Fewer R votes counted does not automatically mean or prove fewer R votes cast. Interesting how four of the 5 main States that reelected Obuma had R Governors: Wisconsin, Ohio, Virginia, and Florida. If you look at the map of the VA, my State, vote; 75-80% is red. The NE VA (DC Area), ECoast VA, and UVA’s county and surrounding area blue. Basically the large population centers. Makes one entertain questions.

kloyd0306

True. The large population centers almost always vote majority D. Question is: Why? What is the common denominator re big cities and Dems?

Having lived in WA, King Co is notorious for “finding” votes when needed. The 04 Governor’s race (Rossi vs Gregoire) was a total sham and scam. The Dems were right in the middle of that. A total disgrace.

It’s power at all costs and they get away with it. Chicago might be bad but King Co, WA runs a close second when it comes to corruption.

Traitorous bastards are WORSE then the enemy!! They know what they are betraying! They are helping the enemy, giving aid and comfort and (in their mind) legitimacy to the enemy! They are saying “My country, my family, my countrymen and women are of less value than yours. Your “cause” is greater than ours. We are the bad guys and you are the good guys!!

If I had 2 bullets and I was given the opportunity to shoot a traitor and an enemy combatant. I’d shoot the traitor… TWICE!!! The enemy soldier at least didn’t betray his own. That’s how traitorous bastards should he dealt with… Not just then… Today as well!!

All I’ll say is that it is heartbreaking to see these young faces: they believed in the goodness of America, they went to serve and put their bodies on the line – and were backstabbed at home, and spat upon when they returned.

But that’s the left, the socialists for you: go for those who don’t have expensive lawyers at their beck-and-call, who don’t have hacks writing lies – a few more destroyed lives is neither here nor there for the left. After all, they say since Stalin, one’s got to break eggs if one wants to make an omelet.

I never thought about that.
where the project was started under him I am hesitant to blindly say he wouldn’t have….BUT that is an interesting thought.

colliemum

It occurred to me because he was totally bamboozled by dear “Uncle Joe”, a.k.a Stalin, who entered the war against Japan only right at the end. FDR might well have wanted to let Uncle Joe grab a bit more land for his Soviet Empire.
I think he wanted the bomb for Hitler, not for Japan. But that’s my gut feeling only.

Arlington Cemetary is one of the most sacred pieces in America. A reminder of the men who sacrificed EVERYTHING so we could enjoy a spouse, family, kids, grandchildren…

John Kerry treats it as a dump site, ignoring all significance. Indicting our heros is beyond recompence. This despicable, filthy human should have been hung for treason.

bongobear

In their hearts everybody knows that Senator Kerry is a lying SOB and he doesn’t deserve to be Secretary of State…but it’s what we’ve come to expect from Obama. Absolutely nothing good has come out of this administration. Kerry will be confirmed…that creep Harry Reid will see to it.

americalsgt

I remember when Kerry was making his run in 04 and he was over in Boardman, OH playing the good ole’ boy routine going hunting wearing his LL Bean barn coat. Well he came out of the field with a couple pheasants. My brother in law who was a real hunter lived near there and he and his buddies were laughing cause where Kerry was hunting was a pheasant farm. What a phoney. Only thing worse than seeing that picture of him wind surfing is the one where he is testifying in congress with the long hair and wearing fatigues. He’s always talking about taking care of the little people and how he cares about the rich paying their fair share. None the less, he keeps his yacht anchored here in RI rather than MA where the taxes would be higher. There are some great paragraphs about him in Peter Schwizer’s book Throw Them All Out.

repubboy

This man is as bad as Obama another great pretender, We can’t seem to get people that are good for the country, We get all these posers that are good for photo op’s , but are worthless when the proverbial you know what hit’s the fan, you know things like Benghazi, The place where four American where brutally killed.. The administration great at posing and hiding and lying, disgusting.. We deserve better than this !

It stinks NY, but we can’t let them. They want us discouraged, they want to keep beating down those who love and honor America and all that is great about her, most importantly those who have given up so much, even to the last full measure, for her and us. We can’t let them discourage and wear us down.
Fight back with truth and the goodness of what America has always been. If they can’t see the best then tough crap- we’re going to fight for it anyway. Fight for those who have and are still fighting for us.
((()))s

Good AM to you my dear friend. Getting going late today, heading out for a two hour ride with the final destination a rasher of bacon and a couple of eggs. Doesn’t get more motivating than that. Number IV, another great job!! Hope you keep chronocalling this to it’s conclusion and you know where this story has to end, truth and responsibility.

Enjoy your ride and your bacon NY! 🙂 It’s a beautiful day for both! Thank you- I will be keeping on with it, most likely driving everyone crazy….”another one?!” but it’s a huge thing and it needs to be out there.
Thank you Gino. I’m off to church and will be back here later 🙂

NYGino

Truth be told (and it always should [except when a lady asks if she looks a little fat in a certain bit of attire] ) after being raised Catholic with a Catholic education, even being an altar boy and such, I regret that I’m lacking in the faith department. Wish I had it, it would make life so much more bearable. Anyway, as I always tell my dear wife as she heads off to services (she definitely has it), say a prayer for me please. Just trying to cover all bases.

Well NY. I did say a prayer for you this morning. Maybe I had an angel whisper your name to me then. You don’t necessarily have to go to church sweet Gino, (although it would make you’re sweet wife’s day if you did!) Just read His Word and talk to Him. He knows.
Until then, He uses those around you to lift you up when you need it- but He would rather you ask Him. 🙂 ((((()))))s

Lesson over for now. I hope you have a beautiful and Blessed day sweet friend.

Rshill7

You’re a reader Gino. Engulf the all time best seller. Everything else will take care of itself 🙂

🙂 If I’m ever too much- let me know and I’ll back off. But I don’t want to, because I love myNY.

Constance

He’s John McCain’s buddy. He will be confirmed by the Senate. Not a chance that Kerry is not confirmed – just look at McCain for that one. This was a done deal even before the Susan Rice debacle. Susan Rice was never actually seriously under consideration; that was a smoke screen. John Kerry is the guy, and he has powerful republican friends who will make sure he gets it.

I would never defend this pile of crap, but I do have a couple of questions for everyone. When is it right to refuse to serve in the military? What actions by such a military would make it right to publicly speak out against it? If a war is unjust, should the American people refuse to support it or speak out against it loudly to as many people as possible? Should we allow the fact that Americans are currently serving to keep us from speaking out?

There are many veterans who have refused to redeploy based on the illegality of the wars, and what is being done in the wars.

tinlizzieowner

I’m not going to go into detail here (though I could), but it’s not the scope or duty of the foot soldier to decide what actions are ‘good or bad’. We are ‘supposed’ to have commanders that make those decisions. Gen. Patton is recognized as being one of the greatest generals in American history but if you talk to soldiers who served under him (I know more than a few of them), you’ll find he had no issues about sending young Americans to slaughter to accomplish his goals. I’m afraid that’s just the war works, my friend. 🙁

As an extreme example, what would you do if you were told to redeploy knowing that your mission was to commit genocide?

tinlizzieowner

Good question. Do you consider bombing Berlin, Tokyo (and Hanoi) into the stone age, ‘genocide’? If you do, since I worked directly with the guys who did bomb Hanoi, I guess I’m already am ‘guilty’ of ‘genocide’.
One more thing, have you ever served in the military under combat conditions?

I believe that using war as a response to a direct threat to be reasonable an moral. I also believe that the level of force used should match the threat up to and including nuclear bombs. Though I will say that I do not agree with many of the tactics that have been used in the middle east. Regardless of what the left and right say or report, when I look at the government’s own civilian death and casualty numbers, I cannot say that I would be willing to carry them out. If there is a threat in a civilian residential zone, I think that you are limited to taking the risk of weeding it out on foot, rather than carpet bombing.

I have not served in the military, and as things have gone in the last ten years, I would refuse to be drafted and deployed to these wars. If I was called up to defend our homeland, I would. I would not dodge the draft, I would simply say “no”. I am currently too old to be drafted under normal draft rules.

tinlizzieowner

I can agree with just about all of that. As I have said in the past, I joined the Air Force in 1964 “To free the world of the red menace, like John Wayne told me to” and I came home with a completely different outlook on life.
War is a dirty, ugly, tragic exercise. It changes you in a way that you will find yourself justifying things that you would never do as a civilian but it’s also one of those things that if I tried to explain to someone who hadn’t been in combat, I wouldn’t be able to. Many times at the museum, I’ll be talking to another Viet Nam Vet about what we saw (and did) only to have his spouse say “you never told me about that?”. The answer is always the same, “if I tried to explain, you wouldn’t understand”. 🙁
As for the ‘carpet bombing’, If we hadn’t literally beaten Germany and Japan into total submission, there would have been a million more dead GI’s, especially if we had been forced to invade Japan and that’s just a fact.
As for Viet Nam, Iraq and Afghanistan, I have many mixed opinions about that.

I certainly cannot empathize, but I can sympathize, and try to understand. I don’t fault anyone for doing what they think is right, only those who know that what they are doing is wrong. The fog of war obviously confuses the two. Many would fault me for defending a current vet for apposing the wars, but I don’t really care. I can support all vets, no matter what their personal beliefs as long as their arguments are based on truth, and reality.

My father’s generation fought in Vietnam. Since I have been an adult, I have seen no war that I felt was a just one worth fighting and sacrificing so much. No matter the nature of the conflict, I still thank vets for their service, because every one that I have met has done it with service to their country in mind. Though there has been no draft in recent years, I recognize the pressure that your generation were subjected to to go to war. I also realize the deceptions that you were fed, such as the Gulf of Ton kin incident.

tinlizzieowner

NO Vet would fault you for defending a current vet for apposing the wars. NONE of us ‘encourage, or are in favor of’ wars. It’s the manner in which it is done that comes into question.
In the case of ‘Hanoi’ John Kerry though, his actions had a whole lot less to do with the opposition of war than it did with the furthering of his own self interests.
Jane Fonda on the other hand, was what Lenin used to call a ‘Useful Idiot’.

John Kerry is a fake through and through. He is an establishment shill who works directly for the globalist regimes of the world. He is the epitome of dis-ingenuousness. He is a member of a crime syndicate that is propagated within the elite institutions of society such as the Ivy League schools and secret societies. He is part of a family of criminals who run the world through the use of force and off of the good nature of the people, and through deceptions of major proportions.

Sorry to go off there. I just can’t stand the guy.

tinlizzieowner

Won’t get an argument over that, out of me. 😉 I could have had an Air Medal for the flight hours I have in. a C-130 but at the time, I wasn’t thinking much about getting medals and I didn’t record all my flight hours. Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

TimeForAnarchy

You ask a very thought provoking question. Do you think The Rape of Nanking, Bataan and Pearl Harbor was “genocide?” How about the Son Tay prison atrocities?

911Infidel

I served in the military starting at the end of the VN conflict. I joined to fight commies. Especially Russian ones. I had no problem with the war then or now. I eventually became a PSG in the Infantry. My speciality was Fire Support.

When you become a leader you make life and death decisions. Generals are no different. We bombed the snot out of Nazi Germany and Imperialist Japan. All of which was necessary to win the war. In the end those two atom bombs saved my dad from having to board a troop ship bound for the invasion of Japan.

I got a real problem with John F’ng Kerry and how his fellow travelers treated us GIs in every airport that I went through in my uniform. I got real tired of being spit on, and having crap thrown on me by those low-lives.

I did have the pleasure of meeting John F’ng Kerry in person in HS, when he came around spreading his lies to my HS class. I called him out. I told him he was a liar and a traitor. Imagine…a HS kid figuring out that Johhnie-boy and his Winter Soldier liars were lying through their teeth LONG before the facts were actually known. It was a gut feeling. But I was dead-on right. Subsequent knowledge of those indivuals backs up my contention.

When I was growing up there were many WWII, Korean War and WWI vets around. I had many an encounter with them. John Kennedy summed them all up for me.So I asked not too.

I understand that some warriors are bitter about their experiences. But the ones that I knew were haunted by nightmares. That bitterness seemed to always come back to why them and not me.

War sucks. But it is a necessary evil. What’s missing today is a strategy to beat our adversaries the Islamo-nazis and the will to win.

I will never forgive John F’ng Kerry EVER. And I will remind generation after generation what an evil, lying, traitorous scum that he is.

tinlizzieowner

I didn’t know I was a ‘Baby Burner’ until I put myself through college on the GI Bill. I had a cocky, arrogant, professor that just couldn’t get his facts straight when it concerned Viet Nam.
He’d talk about things that were ‘supposed’ to to have happened in the central highlands that actually happened in the delta, he could never manage to get the names of bases, or even cities straight, because he actually didn’t have a clue what he was talking about. After my correcting him several times, he got frustrated and said, “How the hell do you know, you ever been there?” and being as naive as I was about what was going on in the states during the 21 months I spent in Southeast Asia, (a year of which was in Viet Nam), I said, “Yes, as a matter of fact, I have. I’m a Viet Nam Veteran”. From that time forward, when he had anything to say about the Viet Nam war, he would look at me and say, “Well I better check this out WITH THE BABY BURNER first”. The ‘kids’ in the class thought that was cute. I needed that degree and I needed that class to get it, by that time I had a wife and kids to feed, so I just took it. I’ll never forget that experience.
If I ever met that SOB today, (and I still remember his name), I’d drop him so hard and fast, he would never know what hit him and this was back in 1969-70. I served in Viet Nam in 66-67. The anti-war movement on the streets and in the colleges was just getting started, back then and he was part of the lying, leftist, ‘Useful Idiots’ that created it.

I was 5 when it ended. It breaks my heart that you guys had to put up with crap like that.

tinlizzieowner

When people speak of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) especially when it comes to Viet Nam Vets, part of that ‘Post’ Traumatic Stress occurred here, not over there. WW1, especially WW2 and even Korea was to some part, fought by the whole country, since practically all of the Korean war Vets had also served in WW2. Those of us who served in Viet Nam returned to a ‘business as usual’ America that had little to do (and less care) with what had been going on in our lives.
There is one battle left over from the Viet Nam war for those of us who served there and that is to see to it that our young ‘Brothers and Sisters’ come home to a damn sight better ‘Welcome Home’ than we got. When you hear 2 ‘Nam’ Vets greet each other with the words “Welcome Home Brother”, there’s a lot more behind those 3 little words than those who didn’t serve there will ever understand.
Here’s another thing to think about. There was a Democrat in the White House at the beginning of 4 out of the 5 wars in the 20th century. 😉

911Infidel

I had a whole school full of those same useful idiots. Imagine being the only kid in school with the canastas to stand up for VN vets? Talk about peer pressure. Its what the Army used to call “leadership”…being willing to take a correct moral stand when everyone else was against you.

I have nothing but contempt for hippies to this day.

tinlizzieowner

The ‘Hippies’ in general, were the useful idiots (like Hanoi Jane). The ones I have the most contempt for are those who were looked up to in the leftist movement as if they knew what they were talking about. Like this Punk Professor and the likes of Hanoi John. Those who never had anything but their own self interests (and an agenda) in mind.
You remember back in the day when the anti-war lefties would chant,
“Hey, Hey, LBJ. How many kids have you killed today?”
Have you noticed now that the far left is ‘the establishment’, there are no throngs of anti-war protesters on the streets, even though Barry is using the same drones to murder the same ‘innocent civilians’ that George Bush did? Well, I’ve got a new chant for these situational hypocrites, how about,
“Hey, hey, BHO. Where’d all the anti-war protesters go?”
😉 😉

911Infidel

The anti-war movement is silent because one of their own is in the WH, the State Dept, and everywhere else in government. They are indeed mainstream. And all of the MSM is Walter Cronkite multiplied by 100.

Nice chant by the way. I can get into that.

tinlizzieowner

You nalied it Brother. More situational hypocrisy from the left.
Bush Drones = bad. Obama Drones = Good.
Bush ‘surge’ in Iraq with General Petraeus = Bad. Obama surge in Afghanistan (with the guy the same left called) Gen. ‘Betray-Us’ under Bush = Good.

It just goes on and on like this, for anybody willing (or bright enough), to take notice.

Can John F’ing Kerry be trusted to have the backs of our men and women in the military? Will he sell our troops and the country out, given the opportunity? Can we rely on Kerry to be straightforward and honest about anything? Is Kerry nothing more than a career politician who has built his career on lie after lie? Why is he held on high by communists and leftist global authoritarians?

John F’ing Kerry is one leopard who has not, nor will ever change his spots.

I’m sorry, but I am so angry at the moment, I am nearly crying! I am the widow of a disabled Korean War Veteran! It took the North Koreans and Chinese six years to get him, and I watched him die—not pleasant, and I feel North Korea should be wiped off the face of the earth! All four of my sons served—one in the Marines, two sailors, and one Air Force! I also had four grandsons by marriage who served with the Army in Iraq and Afganistan! As far as Kerry is concerned, I hope he dies a terrible death! He is not only a lyng traitor, but an opportunist and a tax evader! He should never be allowed to set foot in our national capitol, as even a senator, and definitely not in the position of Secretary of State! It was bad enough with Hillary Clinton and her traitorous ways–I hope the story of her plane crashing in Iran was true, and I hope she suffers more and more pain from it! The blood clot, I think, was only the start!
I am sick and tired of the traitors and liars in our country’s government, and will do what I can to help correct it!

While 0 and JF’nK are both POS’s, you have to take into account that they were both elected. The low information voters won’t wake up until their widescreens and iPads are are gone.

Susan Harms

There is good evidence that John Kerry was DISHONORABLY dishcarged for his actions. He was pardoned by Jimma Catta. In a just world he would have slinked away in shame never to be heard from again. But we live in a Zombie world, where disgraced anointed ones rise again, Mark Sanford, John Corzine, etc.

aZjimbo

The mafia calls then rats, I call john fu kerry a rat.

Diogenes_wy

Why Kerry? Because he is a puppet. The man has never had an original thought in his life, and only does or thinks what someone else tells him to. Obama can control him and use him, and if need be abuse him (throw him under the bus). Hillary was too independent and, as the Benghazi incident showed, was not about to be the administration’s patsy.

maynardb50

John Kerry comports with everything Obama believes in, so no surprise here. After all, the coward did have 3 self-inflicted war wounds. Enough to send him home and join up with the commie buddies of his.