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While I personally didn't get interested in T&B for the Fujoshi angle honestly I'm more inclined to believe that the Newtype readers would be into it more for that reason than a mecha angle. I just haven't seen much evidence to suggest a lot of Japanese otaku think all that particularly hard about why they like characters and thus to me it just seems more plausible that that would be the reason. It'd mesh better with the whole distilled moe voting block thing that Newtype has going on as well. I wish there were more evidence to the contrary and I didn't have to generalize and assume things about Japanese fans but time and time again they make very emphatic gestures as to have simple arbitrary reasons for character appreciation. Sorry Triple but while I so want to support youe argument and while in almost any other case it would be a totally rational and well thought out one, evidence and history kind of sides with Westlo and Last Sinner here.

While I personally didn't get interested in T&B for the Fujoshi angle honestly I'm more inclined to believe that the Newtype readers would be into it more for that reason than a mecha angle. I just haven't seen much evidence to suggest a lot of Japanese otaku think all that particularly hard about why they like characters and thus to me it just seems more plausible that that would be the reason. It'd mesh better with the whole distilled moe voting block thing that Newtype has going on as well. I wish there were more evidence to the contrary and I didn't have to generalize and assume things about Japanese fans but time and time again they make very emphatic gestures as to have simple arbitrary reasons for character appreciation. Sorry Triple but while I so want to support youe argument and while in almost any other case it would be a totally rational and well thought out one, evidence and history kind of sides with Westlo and Last Sinner here.

The reason why I'm supporting the mecha angle is because I think that's the most logical explanation for why Kira, Lelouch, Lacus, and Sheryl are all mainstays in these NewType polls. And if they're there because mecha fans are keeping them there, then that means that a significant portion of New Type's readership are serious mecha fans.

In fairness, I suppose you could almost as easily chalk up Kira and Lelouch to fujoshis, but that obviously doesn't explain Lacus and Sheryl.

You have two really old female characters that are practically fixtures in these polls, and they're very different characters from one another. But one thing they have in common is that they're both from famous mecha titles - Gundam Seed and Macross Frontier respectively.

Maybe part of why Kotetsu is here is because of fujoshis, but I still wouldn't underestimate the mecha fan side of things. It helps that Tiger and Bunny is a Sunrise title, imo. I think that NewType readers have some appreciation for that particular animation studio.

The reason why I'm supporting the mecha angle is because I think that's the most logical explanation for why Kira, Lelouch, Lacus, and Sheryl are all mainstays in these NewType polls. And if they're there because mecha fans are keeping them there, then that means that a significant portion of New Type's readership are serious mecha fans.

In fairness, I suppose you could almost as easily chalk up Kira and Lelouch to fujoshis, but that obviously doesn't explain Lacus and Sheryl.

You have two really old female characters that are practically fixtures in these polls, and they're very different characters from one another. But one thing they have in common is that they're both from famous mecha titles - Gundam Seed and Macross Frontier respectively.

Maybe part of why Kotetsu is here is because of fujoshis, but I still wouldn't underestimate the mecha fan side of things. It helps that Tiger and Bunny is a Sunrise title, imo. I think that NewType readers have some appreciation for that particular animation studio.

Lacus and Sheryl both tap into the idol craze and both have really popular song tie-ins. They're pretty much opposites in terms of characterization and song types though. As for Newtype readers, I've never gotten the impression that they have any particular attachment to a specific studio, they just seem to gravitate towards big budget stuff.

I've apologised to Triple_R multiple times for the way I worded my previous post. I was very out of line.

The point I was trying to make was while people can take a variety of things out of a show, there's usually a clear majority for the quality that was the most marketed. I personally like to think deeper about shows when it's warranted since writing is the aspect of media I like most. However, I have accepted the fact that modern life's affect of time available, fatigue, shorter attention spans and other factors have led to a point where simpler emotions or stimulation or subtext that are easier to digest are easier to market and sell more. And the fujioshi aspect is one of them. Hell, a bunch of guys I know regularly flaunt their 'inner fujioshi.'

It's their choice - as long as consumers understand how their purchases will ultimately affect what is made. People get what they deserve.

And on what Triple_R said, I think his stance is fairly valid in Western aspects. But there's sometimes considerable differences between what Japan wants/sees and what the West sees.

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Lacus and Sheryl both tap into the idol craze and both have really popular song tie-ins. They're pretty much opposites in terms of characterization and song types though. As for Newtype readers, I've never gotten the impression that they have any particular attachment to a specific studio, they just seem to gravitate towards big budget stuff.

They're effectively tapping into aspects that became popular after Macross: Do You Remember Love and repeating the steps of Lynn Minmay. It worked back then and still does. It's criminal that title still can't be licensed in English thanks to legal disputes over who actually owns it, particularly with the recent 30th anniversary.

A couple points I'd like to make:
First, IMO, character polls are almost always going to be skewered somewhat towards the tastes of the... "enthusiastic towards characters" - fujoshi or otherwise - simply by virtue of participation rates being higher among this group.

Second, as with the fans of big name moe shows like K-On!, I question whether most fujoshi are actually all that "unmainstream". I'm part of a local anime club that's more casual and targetted to adults than most - and for whatever reason the past couple years we've had a fairly steady stream of Japanese exchange students who show up from time to time. None of them struck me as fujoshi types, but one said she had cosplayed... as Ciel Phantomhive in a dress.

...So yeah. My gut feeling on this one is that the fujoshi base extends way, way beyond the "lunatic fringe" many people associate it with.

(For reference, on the moe side, once of the other girls struck me as having very well balanced tastes between shounen action, cute moe stuff, etc. At some point, it came out she had worn a maid outfit for a school festival band performance in high school. Again, otherwise came across as a very normal person.)

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