Ephesians 5 and Colossians 3

March 7 2013, 12:54 AM

Yes, the comparison of Ephesians 5 and Colossians 3 are remarkable and it shows that the same author (Paul) wrote both. It also shows an equivocation between "being filled with the Spirit" and "the word of Christ dwelling in them richly in all wisdom." So, if you allow the word of Christ to dwell in you richly then you are filled with the Spirit. Singing boosts the indwelling word and promotes unity in the flock of God. In addition, husbands and wives can learn to have good relations between themselves. Here is another good point--that singing is vital to the spirit, that is to the word. It is the message that brings the word of Christ to indwell in all wisdom, and that is the same as the spirit indwelling. The spirit indwells then, through words and not through instruments, one could conclude.

The following table shows how one expression can be substituted for another--in regard to spirit and word. What is remarkable, I believe, is that those who say then walk by the spirit, often don't clarify that they walk through the word. This may be because they believe, actually, that the spirit is independent of the word.

Ephesians 5

Colossians 3

18 And be not drunken with wine, wherein is riot, but be filled with the Spirit;

16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly; in all wisdom

19speaking one to another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody with your heart to the Lord;

teaching and admonishing one another with psalms and hymns and'spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts unto God

17And whatsoever ye do, in word or in deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus

20giving thanks always for all things in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to God, even the Father;

giving thanks to God the Father through him

21subjecting yourselves one to another in the fear of Christ.

22Wives, be in subjection unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife, and Christ also is the head of the church, being himself the saviour of the body. 24But as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives also be to their husbands in everything.

18Wives, be in subjection to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.

25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself up for it;

Re: Why MANY (most) are INVITED but FEW (almost none) are Chosen or Elected

More on how Jesus Christ Chist is the ONLY NAME Part B

Father, son and Spirit are not used as NAMES of PEOPLE but historic trinitarians all agree that names name. God wrote because he knew that the imagination of man is only evil continually.

Father who Conceives
Spirit who "breathes" out invisible power to the Son
Son is God's prophets who ARTICULATE His Word. Thus, the Son of God is the Word of God.
The Son SPEAKS that "Spirit" without METER as the Word most often means.

Again, father, son and spirit are not NAMES of People but names of aspects or attributes of the ONE God.

You will say, then, to me: "You said that God ought not to be contained in a place, and how do you now say that He walked in Paradise? "Hear what I say. The God and Father, indeed, of all cannot be contained, and is not found in a place, for there is no place of His rest;
.....but His Word, through whom He made all things, being His power and His wisdom,.....assuming the person of the Father and Lord of all, went to the garden in the person of God,
.....and conversed with Adam. For the divine writing itself teaches us
.....that Adam said that he had heard the voice.
.....But what else is this voice but the Word of God, who is also His Son?

Not as the poets and writers of myths talk of the sons of gods begotten from intercourse [with women],
.....but as truth expounds, the Word, that always exists, .....residing within the heart of God.

For before anything came into being
.....He had Him as a counsellor,
.....being His own mind and thought.
But when God wished to make all that He determined on,
.....He begot this Word, uttered, the first-born of all creation,.....not Himself being emptied of the Word [Reason],
.....but having begotten Reason,.....and always conversing with His Reason.
And hence the holy writings teach us, and all the spirit-bearing [inspired] men, one of whom, John, says,
....."In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,"
.....showing that at first God was alone, and the Word in Him.

note 46 The annotators here warn us against supposing that "person" is used as it was afterwards employed in discussing the doctrine of the Trinity, and show that the word is used in its original meaning, and with reference to an actor taking up a mask and personating a character.

Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God,

That does not mean that Jesus LOOKED like God Who has no flesh or blood or bones. The WORD was IMAGED by God before it expressed itself in WORDS.

[Imago likeness epistle letter, epistle An image or likeness of a thing formed in the mind, a conception, thought, imagination, idea:]

God CREATED His WORD which cannot be ONE of the THREE people of the Godhead. God was the Father who begot the WORD.

the firstborn of every creature:

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

It was not Jesus but the SPOKEN WORD of God which existed as COETERNAL.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

That's why TRITHEISTS are out on a broken limb.

note47 Proforiko/j, the term used of the Logos as manifested; the Word as uttered by the Father, in distinction from the Word immanent in Him. [Theophilus is the first author who distinguishes between the Logos (cap. x, supra) and the Logos proforiko/j; the Word internal, and the Word emitted . Kaye's Justin, p. 171.]

Since the WORD was begotten by the ONE GOD, he must be "junior" and "inferior" as stated by the H. Leo Boles and LU dogma. Therefore, He was ONE with God only in the sense that they WERE FRIENDLY [John Mark Hicks]. ALL of the Bible and historic text PROVES that the WORD of God is His SON: we beget words when we "speak." The Spirit or BREATH is that which propels God's thoughts through His "double-edged sword" or lips. Of course, no one can think that a time existed when God did not THINK and did not SPEAK.

Persons

Re: Persons

March 7 2013, 9:55 PM

Almost nothing in the teachings of Christ are not the ANTITHESIS of pagan gods and goddesses. History is clear that Dionysus was one god of the Jews: that began at Mount Sinai. "Person" is a word invented by the pseudo trinitarians. While "person" in the bible is the confidence or 'underlayment' God provides, it is never used of three "god persons." That's why neo-trinitarians have no historical scholarship to support them. Here is the reason Jesus called the Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites: in Ezekiel 33 Christ names speakers, singers, instrument players and the audience. This was the mark of NOTHING MORE meaning that none of the actors intended to obey the words they sold and bought.

Persna
prospon and prospeion). A mask; an artificial covering for the face worn among many peoples in all ages of history and for different purposes, but more frequently in Greece and Italy. Scenic contests soon began to form part of the religious festivals in various Greek cities, and were celebrated in honour of other deities besides Dionysus.

The SELF PLEASURE which Paul outlaws in Romans 15 speaks against all of the hypocritic arts and crafts. That enabled the only "pattern" or "using one mind and one mouth to speak that which is written for our learning."

THE FOLLOWING DEFINES THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE "PROGRESSED" TO THE NEW-OLD WINESKINS WORSHIP: THEY HAVE ALL OF THE STAFF.

The actors called themselves artists of Dionysus, and in the larger cities they formed permanent societies (sunodoi) with special privileges, including exemption from military service and security in person and property. These companies had a regular organization, presided over by a priest of their patron-god Dionysus, annually elected from among their members. A treasurer and officers completed the staff. At the time of the festivals the societies sent out their members in groups of three actors, with a manager and a flute-player, to the different cities. This business was especially lively in Ionia and on the Euxine, the societies of Teos being the most distinguished. The same arrangement was adopted in Italy, and continued to exist under the Roman Empire.

You remember that Jesus called the MEN of that generation CHILDREN who piped hoping He would sing (lament) and dance: that meant that THEY intended to INITIATE Him into the Gay brotherhood of all pagan priesthoods.

When the flute players wanted to ASSIST Jesus in His healing ministry he cast them out with a word meaning "more or less violently as one casts out dung."

The "Father" figure (the old God of the Old Testament):

Kings and queens had a purple train and a white himation with a purple border; A touchy old man had one eyebrow drawn up and one down. The members of the chorus were masked and dressed in a costume corresponding to the part assigned them by the poet. (On their dress in the Satyric Drama, see Satyric Drama: the meaning of the BEAST in Revelation..)

Paul warned about the Old Wives tales and Jewish Fables or Fabulas: these included all of the Jewish and other pagan rituals using all of the Levites as SOOTHSAYERS. Eve was the Mother of the gods even in Greek myths.

From the time of Sophocles the actors in a play were three in number. They had to represent all the parts, those of women included. This involved changing their costume several times during the performance. The three actors were distinguished as protagonistes, deuteragonistes, and tritagonistes, according to the importance of their parts. If the piece required a fourth actor, which was seldom the case, the choregus had to provide one. The choregus [worship minister] had also to see to the position and equipment of the mute actors.

Didn't H. Leo Boles (LU) say they were ranked 1, 2, 3?

That is why Jesus could say THE FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING: My WORDS are SPIRIT and they are LIFE. The trinity had developed the Community Church" concept and the DRAMATIC worship services: they are called Strong Delusions.

The WORD of God is His SON and there are not THREE ACTORS.

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Father, son and Spirit are not used as NAMES of PEOPLE but historic trinitarians all agree that names name. God wrote because he knew that the imagination of man is only evil continually.

Father who Conceives
Spirit who "breathes" out invisible power to the Son
Son is God's prophets who ARTICULATE His Word. Thus, the Son of God is the Word of God.
The Son SPEAKS that "Spirit" without METER as the Word most often means.

Again, father, son and spirit are not NAMES of People but names of aspects or attributes of the ONE God.

This spiritualizes the Three in a fairly concise way.

Add to this the 2 John 7-10 view that one must believe that "Jesus came in the flesh" and that this is the "teaching of Christ" can be added to your consideration.

Father is the one who begets.
Son is the derived Logos.
Spirit encompasses the Father and Son.

Prophets and Teachers are sons. All obedient Christians are "children of God." Jesus was the child of God.

Nature of Godhood

March 8 2013, 8:45 AM

Apparently, modalist monarchism was the view of the very early Christians, and accepted among the non-theologians. That is God is manifest in three appearances (modes). This One God is now Father, then Jesus, and finally Spirit.

The Platonic theologians from Greece would have none of this, and gradually ran out the modal view, and creedalized the Trinity.

These issues are important for one very good reason for restorationists--we are to restore the New Testament church, not the church of Constantine nor Augustine.

Front and Center

Re: Why MANY (most) are INVITED but FEW (almost none) given A holy spirit (theirs)

February 22 2017, 12:10 AM

"MOST ARE SINCERE AND WE SHOULD LET THEM HAVE YOUR CHURCH" is contradicted by those with a World View or a Physical versus Spiritual or Mental worship. They believe that ALL will be the elect except the group that feeds their face. They call these historic people, defined from the wilderness onward, as SELFISH and all of the other RACA words because they refuse to let the Infiltrator and Diverter make the worship ecumenical (the kingdom of the Devil) so that everyone can be welcomed. The whole world to them is SAVED and they go out of their mind fleecing widows and trying to establish institutions JUST LIKE THEM. Everyone is saved EXCEPT those whose temple they are determined to ROB.

They literally declare the Father god and the Son god as has beens and THEY hear what they call THE Holy Spirit telling them to lie about the olden God and TO the olden God.

Another version of Scripture's statement I have read somewhere is that "Spirit is what passes between the Father and Son." That is why spirit literally means WIND and only figuratively of BREATH. That which passes between Teacher (teacher, founder of a school) and the ears of the student is BREATH. We should not think of the ALMIGHTY Lord-God who inhabits eternity and is Omniscient and Omnipresent as literally breathing from literal lungs.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit OF TRUTH, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall NOT speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

It was the glorified JESUS in the form of Holy Spirit Who returned--as promised--and poured out what you see and hear.

We have noted that Aether or Greek aither is the heavenly, the divine element in the human soul or the FIFTH element. Paul was a reader of the Classics and could therefore be called literate.

Acts 17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
Acts 17:28 For IN him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.

The always-pagan triad which was worshipped as the golden calf at Mount Sinai.

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Acts 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by THAT MAN whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that HE hath raised HIM from the dead.

Plato Epinomis 981e air, and has slight portions of all the others also, wherefore we must say that all sorts of creatures are born of them, and things seen, and here again we must conceive the heavenly kinds of creatures, which altogether, we must agree, have been born as the divine race of stars, endowed with the fairest body as also with the happiest and best soul.1 One or other of two lots we may very well, in our judgement, assign to them: for each of them is either imperishable [982a] and immortal, and by all necessity wholly divine, or has a certain longevity sufficient for the life of each, such that nothing could ever require a longer one.

SPIRIT CAN NEVER BE A PERSON: God IS Spirit or MIND but He is everything else.

Most people are OF THE WORLD and are therefore WORLDLY: Jesus doesn't pray for those called A RACE OF VIPERS. They are earth born and WITHOUT any spirit beyond PHYSICAL BREATH. Only those who obey the command of Jesus and are baptized or SEALED that they are not OF the World and are given A holy spirit so they can live in heavenly places even while they are IN the world but not OF the world.

Greek is important but Latin is more vital but SIMPLE ENGLISH is enough to EXCLUDE the massed multitudes.

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Fooling God?

Re: Fooling God?

June 18 2017, 1:40 AM

Do you have a spirit, Rancor? Or are you just flesh and bones? If you have a spirit, is it a holy spirit ... is it an almost holy spirit ... is it a somewhat holy spirit ... or ... is it an unholy spirit?

It is not necessary to let us know what kind of a spirit Rancor has. Just so we understand [as an expression] the usage of "a spirit" [singular] that an individual person/Christian has.

Furthermore, let's not confuse man's spirit with "the holy spirit OF God" (Ephesians 4:30). We can assuredly say that "the spirit of God" is HOLY!!!

Re: Why MANY (most) are INVITED but FEW (almost none) given A holy spirit (theirs)

Re: Why MANY (most) are INVITED but FEW (almost none) given A holy spirit (theirs)

June 17 2017, 10:44 PM

God IS Spirit which does not have flesh or bones.

Jesus said that He was a man with FLESH AND BONES.

Spirit, therefore is the opposite of Flesh.
Spirit is never the name of a person but the Mental Disposition of that person. OF is a preposition so the Spirit OF Christ is His Mind or Mental disposition.

God Who is Holy or WHOLLY Spirit in His nature Conceives everything that exists. Spirit is transmitted by BREATH which is not another God person required for God to create and govern.

When SPIRIT expresses Himself as Breath it is invisible and inaudible since we are speaking figuratively so that we mortals can get a small clue.

God's Breath or Spirit came to Jesus without measure or meter: that is why Jesus never sings tunefully but SPEAKS God as Word in a visible-audible sense.

No one knows the Father but the Son and those to whom He reveals Himself. Jesus said My WORDS are SPIRIT and LIFE. Therefore, God who IS Spirit without flesh and bones communicates to His creatures in the WRITTEN WORD. Peter said that He was leaving his "part" for our memory because he was eye-and ear-witness of God's Spirit validating or making the Prophecies about Him which are Holy Scriptures. Peter said that this prophecy about Messiah, the prophecies made more certain or fulfilled by Jesus and confirmed by Signs and Wonders is NOT subject to our private interpretation or Further expounding.

God IS Spirit and not flesh and bones. The only possible "worship" is IN THE SPIRIT and not IN THE FLESH. Worship is IN TRUTH and Paul defined spiritual or RATIONAL worship as including ONLY the Word, Logos or Regulative principle.

Groups assemble for other purposes but the kingdom DOES NOT COME with observation meaning religious observations or operations. Paul spoke of LYING WONDERS as God's Abandonment to those whom God has STRONGLY DELUDED so that they tongue is not longer under their control. Lying Wonders are widely defined among the Greeks as any of what Jesus called the HYPOCRITE performances: performance preaching for sale, singing or playing instruments Ezek 33.

I certainly hope the "trumpet" is not blown in your hearing in the morning. That is excluded for the Church in the wilderness as elevated speech beyond the direct command to PREACH the Word by READING the Word in the once-each week period of REST God gave to HIS children. Sorry about yours.

Some texts part A

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What Happened at the Madison Church of Christ?

There are thousands of churches being taken over across America.

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Many of the current members of the Madison Church of Christ still don't
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Some never will know! This book is for them as well.

Madison Church of Christ was a 60 year old church. At one time it was
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It thrived for many years on the vision of it's elders and those of
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The Elders knew that the membership would never approve such a plan.
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seminars, meetings,planters,seeders) they slowly started initiating change
so it was never noticed by the members until it was too late.....

At the heart of the plan was the fact that old members were going to
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through new "Contemporary Holy Entertainment" methods developed by the
"Community Church Movement"

Old members had to be kept on board long enough to get their plans ready,
or the funds would not be there to pay for the new building. So by the
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The church had no plan in effect to renew or approve elders. There was
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Here is the list of players;

5 Godly Elders
10 Not so Godly Elders
120 "Deacons" (allegiance unknown)
2,800 - 4,000 church "members"
2 "teners" (people who have publicly confessed to have broken all ten
commandments)
Unknown number of "sinners" (This is what the 10 elders call us.)
Unknown number of "demons" (Flying everywhere, to many to count)