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Quotes From Around PSA World

These are some quotes from the PSA crowd. They give a pretty good idea of the mentality it takes to support slaughter.Their quotes come from various sources and are posted exactly as they were originally posted.

“To be honest with you, I have no idea what is fact or fiction with regard to anything Sue Wallis or Unified Equine has to say.”

~ This little gem was posted by Naughty Tobiano on Facebook. Great followers Slaughter House Sue has out there!

” I would just like to announce that according to fuglyblog.com and their members who post, I am not only an idiot but that United Horseman is behind the entire blog. MUHAW HAW HAW HAW conspiracy theory much there. To my knowledge, there is not a single person on our team who belongs to UH & I don’t believe Mr. Dave Duquette has ever contributed to it. Interesting isn’t it…”

~ Ironically, this was posted on the United Horsemen Facebook page. You have to join that group to post there.

“Thou shalt not kill applies to animals….” – Theresa Manzella

~Which is why she has a rescue that promotes horse slaughter???????

“Becareful no one sees the horse or you may be the one charged with neglect. Happened to someone I know. He picked up and old show pony stallion and made a pen for it in a corner under the only tree in his pasture. It happened to be by the road. Some do-gooder reported him. The sheriff noted that there were other dead animals on his property (poultry). Not surprising as he drove the local rendering truck!”

~ So people who drive rendering trucks just happen to bring their work home with them? I guess it’s ok to have dead animals lying around as long as it’s only poultry. Did you ever notice how PSAs are often unfairly persecuted for being the fuckwits that they are and don’t understand why?

“Calling all data. The NT is working on the myth of tainted meat. I would like to collect some writings from those of you with hard proof to counter these claims. Your information as to who you are etc will remain private unless you specifically ask to have credit given. Everyone claims you don’t care about horses, come rescue a painted pony here ”

~ This one was from Naughty Tobiano who then proceeded to quote a study meant for drug levels in racehorses. So, not for horses meant to be eaten, but a test so they knew how long to withdraw a drug prior to race time so that the levels of the drug in their systems do not test above the approved level. I guess the plethora of information from the EU didn’t give NT just what she needed to perpetuate her lies, so she felt the need to misuse another study to suit her agenda.

“Yikes!!! I hope my old skinny mare that is eating 18# of Equine Sr a day doesn’t die….I guess they could charge me for cruelty too!!!! She is nursing a big baby and has another on the way…but she looks like the poster horse for the SPCA!!!”

~These are the people who are concerned about horses suffering. Note she mentions the horses is OLD , skinny, nursing a baby and has another on the way. I’m gonna go ahead and say this is a backyard breeder who doesn’t deserve to own a guppy.

“Ok…..I find that MOST of my horses seem a little steep in the shoulder conformationally…..but that creates power houses…..”

~ No, dumbass that does NOT create power houses. Steep shoulders create short strided choppy movers that are pre-disposed to a myriad of soundness issues if you use them too hard. A nicely balanced horse with a big hip will give you power provided you have trained them properly and they have learned to go round and use themselves properly.

“That’s right! Expose them the free trade & commerce, anti capitalistic, Constitution squelching, bible perverting group that they are. What can you say…TRUTH hurts“

“this is on the new blog shedrow.. she is driving me crazy. Wish I could figure out who she is….. SO i can take her ass to court…”

~ I’m not sure if I’m being sued for being unimpressed with her horses or for telling her fencing is dangerous…

“The US is a republic NOT a democracy, or at least it was meant to be a Republic. The majority is not suppose to rule this nation. They can skew it any way they want, even if they are in the majority they don’t get to be the food police”

~ Does anybody else find this statement more than a little disturbing?

“Looks like our House of Reps and Moran or should we say MORON, let their brains fall on the floor again. WY still has state inspection for human consumption!!! Now the llons are happy so more horses can suffer! Please do not give me this over bredding bull shit…….breeding horses of all breeds has dropped dramatically the last 5 years….check the mare reports and registrations. As for all you bunny huggers KISS MY ASS YOU FLIPPIN MORONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

~ Yet another compassionate PSA not fully in control of her emotions.

“Horses will not die in 24 hours without water and food. If that were the case, we would not worry about starvation. It would be finished much sooner than the fate of those starving horses we see today”

~I don’t normally like to play this card, but this statement was made by somebody that I’m willing to wager doesn’t go more than two hours without shoving something down her gullet. That aside, the logic here is that it would be perfectly fine for horses to suffer if they would just do it quickly. This is clearly somebody that has no knowledge of how a horse’s digestive system works and what the consequences of going without food or water for extended periods of time, let alone in hot weather, could mean for the animal. Yet, these are the people who feel they know more than anybody.

“Not so fun fact for the day:Hitler was a vegetarian. And Hitler held animals in very high regard. He even assembled a team of trainers who tried to teach dogs to talk. Killed millions of human beings, but is reported to have revered animals. I’m sure it’s just a coincidence.”

~ The most Holy Theresa Manzella talking about animal advocates. The very same woman who hides behind her bible and wants to slaughter her rescue horses.

I could post pages and pages of asshattery from this group. Some individuals deserve an entire page of their own. If there wasn’t so much at stake, this would actually be entertaining. Bring on the next round of `No, you’re stupid’ rebuttals from the PSA front.

On your horsemanship, and REAL Horseman… I have found, that I NEVER need anything more than a full check snaffle, on any of my personal horses, as well as the Remakes I use to take in, for retraining.. My personal horses event, therefore they run, jump, and do Dressage.. We run at solid fences at a hard gallop, and I need to be able to half-halt my horses, and put them in check to negotiate footing, solid jumps, and adjust from light into dark all the while running, through the trees. My horses are fit! We gallop them every 5Th day, when in training for a competition, and I NEVER need more than a mild, to moderate snaffle..

If my snaffle isn’t enough to get the job done, then It means I need to do MORE Training.. NOT run out and buy a BIGGER, better, bad-er, sharper Bit!

Are you honestly able to believe that EVERY single anti supporter is a “horseman”, in the “industry”, and is an intelligent, knowledgeable horse person? And you are standing behind the statement that EVERY pro supporter is not? There is stupid everywhere, in every realm of every aspect of life. A lot of the anti’s are as ill spoken and lacking in intelligence as you are claiming ALL pro’s are. As far as training techniques, opinions on fencing, care, who made you the judge and jury? There are a million ways to accomplish things with horses; just because someone does something differently than you or you don’t agree that pipe fencing is as safe as post and rail doesn’t make it wrong. Several of the statements above are brutal, I will agree, especially the broodmare. But there are a lot of stupid backyard breeding anti’s out there also. You take several statements from an anti site, post them in a row, and draw a conclusive statement that “I could post pages and pages of asshattery from this group” and “They check many of those boxes. I wouldn’t accuse many of them of being intelligent though.”. How many do YOU know personally well enough to make such a broad statement? I’m sure I can find just as many “asshats” and unintelligent Anti’s online too if I wanted to.

@ Brenda Lee, Are you saying that the professional eventers; Olympians and USEF Team members who use anything more than a snaffle are LESS of a horseman than you? That is an asinine statement to make against professional equestrians who devote 100% of their life to their sport. I’m curious to know many FEI events you competed in? How many times you’ve made the long (or short) list for the Olympics yet? How about the WEG’s? Pan Am’s? CCI 4*? Chef D’equipe? Any of them? How many of your snaffle wearing horses have made it that far? Has the USEF eventing team contacted you about doing a clinic for them yet?
What bit a horse wears does not mean squat about it’s level of training or the hands that hold the reins. Until you ride the horse, you can’t assume anything about it. Horses are as individual as people, they have different attributes, personalities, temperaments. To conclude that a horse who doesn’t go in a snaffle lacks training is as silly a statement as those SC posted above.

You should go start your own blog about stupid stuff we say and do. The fact is that I can only draw from the most vocal and `in your face’ PSAs and the majority of them are just as I’ve posted them up here. You know the old saying about birds of a feather…..Your leader, Sue Wallis is among the most quotable when it comes to hyperbole and ridiculous statements. I’ve yet to see Moran asking people to go `beat somebody down’ or go and reach out to a known abuser and support them. That is all Sue.

What makes me judge and jury? It is MY blog. I get to judge and comment on whatever I want. The fact of the matter is that those bits I posted are unusually harsh and cruel and there is NEVER an excuse for that. Horses will find a way to injure themselves in a padded room, you don’t need to increase that risk by using barbed wire or keeping them in junk piles. I have been `industry’ for more than 25 yrs and I have never had a horse injured in a fence. Not once. Funny how that is, huh?

First and foremost, please don’t make the assumption just because I have questioned some of your posts that I’m one of “them” and that Sue is MY leader, and as far as birds of a feather…how has one single thing I have said here managed to lump me in with the PSA’s? I’m an on the fencer as of yet, so don’t presume to make my decision for me please.

You’re right, you are judge and jury, it is your blog, my apologies for questioning your right to do what you want and say what you want. Can I ask what your goal of this blog actually is? I actually came here to find information on the anti’s arguments as I was under the impression this blog was started as a counter argument to the NT blog that a friend shared with me. I am hoping there are more blogs out there belonging to anti slaughter supporters that can offer information also; I’d like to find some with facts and figures and articles to back up the emotional issues of horse slaughter.

As far as me and my own blog, I have no interest in my own blog, period, about anything, certainly not about the stupid stuff the anti’s say, just as I don’t want one about the stupid stuff the PSA’s say. I have no interest in spreading and focusing on the “stupid” stuff and trying to discredit others by choosing the least education things said and contorting them to suit whatever agenda I may have (which as of yet, I don’t have on because I’m not sure where I stand on this issue). I think focusing on that aspect takes attention and validity away from the real issues and arguments.

I’ve been around horses, earned my living off them for more than 20 years also and I personally would never fence mine with barb wire. But some deem it acceptable. Not my horse, not my place to say they are right or wrong. I’ve worked on ranches that used barb wire for decades with nary a scratch. Lucky them. My worst injury to a horse came from plank fencing. You have been exceptionally lucky to have never had one single injury from fencing to your horses. Can you share how you have managed that, what type of wood do you use and is it finished or rough? What do you use to afix the planks to the posts, and is hot wire used also? I’ve kept horses in almost every fencing imaginable and at least one has been injured in some way over the years. Punctures, splinters, cuts and gashes.

The bits I was referring to was from Brenda’s post above, as my @Brenda introduction (I thought) showed. Any bit can be harsh in the wrong hands on the wrong horse, I’ve seen egg butt snaffles yanked around enough to make mouths bleed. I agree the bits YOU posted are extreme, and I also agree that they should not be necessary ever. However, I was countering Brenda’s statement that anyone who rides in anything more than a snaffle needs to train their horse better or is a less accomplished horsewoman than she, not arguing your pictures of bits.

Ok, a lot to address with this. If you want other anti-slaughter view points served up with cited facts, there is a blogroll on the side here. I suggest you begin with Heather’s blog as she puts a lot of research into her postings and lays things out very clearly.

Barbed wire fencing is just fine if you are in a 40 acre or bigger pasture. I grew up on a ranch and yes, the cattle were fenced with barbed wire and sometimes the horses were out in the back forty. The point was they were in big enough pastures that they were never standing over the fence or anywhere near it. My show horses were always in a post and rail paddock. Always pressure treated wood. At my old place I had landscape ties as a top rail and no climb wire all the way down. the top rails were joined to the post with things that looked like jump cups bolted in.
It was expensive and professionally installed, but I never had to fix a fence or had an injury. My horses get handled and interacted with daily and fed out in the middle of their paddock. For whatever reason, they don’t seem to be hungry or bored enough to be farting around the fences. I have never used electric fencing and I never will. I’ve seen too many wrecks with it and I don’t like the idea of it at all.

The purpose of my blog? My blog is MY views on whatever it is in `horse world’ that bothers me the most at any given time. Right now it is slaughter. Next month it may be people not pulling manes. This blog is NOT about NT and never was about her. She just makes herself a target by flying her skirt over her head and being EVERYWHERE under her multiple user names. That’s another thing that irritates me. Pick your ID and go with it. This is my only ID. This is my first and only blog and I don’t have a facebook for this page. Not now, not ever. NT has been all over any horse related board forever and every single time she gets smacked on the nose for being ridiculous, she created a new name and came back again. Her own hands are far from clean. She was behind a hate blog about the former owner of the fugly blog. Fugly often pushed the bounds of ethical behavior, but NT gave as good as she got. She stalked her all over the net, she posted vile things about her personal life and attempted to start blogs dedicated to hating on her. She would get busted and then shut them down only to be reborn again. Clearly she has found her place amongst the slaughter crowd. For the record, I believe she deserved to be outed for calling herself a rescue and having a horse on a truck bound for slaughter. She denies that she was ever a rescue but thanks to the internet archives, you can find her former page where she was listing herself as a horse rescue and did apply for a 501 (c)(3) status before this happened. She works all angles.

Something NT may want to consider is that I have no problems with my neighbors and never have no matter where I live. I don’t care if somebody wants to drive by my horses an take a picture of them or of me working with them. Nobody has ever once opened a gate or interfered with my animals at all other than one time when I was a child. My father had to lay off an employee and his delinquent son came over and crapped in my horse’s water trough. So that had very little to do with me and how I behaved around other people. I know nobody is out to get me in real life because I don’t tend to piss people off. Yes, I am as straight talking in real life as I am on the blog. If anything I’m more sarcastic in the real world than I am on here. The point is that anybody can have a bad neighbor or isolated incidents. Any single one of us. But when you continue to have the same problems over and over again, even after you move to a new community, it’s time to realize that with along with the finger you point at everybody else, there are four other fingers pointing right back at you. NT gets raked across the coals because she puts misinformation out there as fact. Her stories are overblown and exaggerated and not all that entertaining. As long as she has something to say about what I write about and harvest my blog for comments, I will continue to discredit her. As with any PSA putting out propaganda, I will knock it down to the best of my ability. That won’t change.

Thank you for responding to my questions. I am not on Facebook so not sure what all goes on there, I have friends who talk about it but it’s a bit much for me. Your fencing sounds pretty major, good for you for managing to find something that worked so well!
I do not know the NT, just had a friend tell me to check it out one day as we were discussing the issues of slaughter. I am slowly getting through a lot of the info, and I will admit, it’s laid out well, lots of links to articles and such, which is good info. Been doing some reading myself, it sure is a convolted issue!

Yes it is and I commend you for educating yourself whatever side you come down on. For me, I don’t differentiate between what is good for `others’ if it is not good enough for me or my own. That is why I have always been and will remain anti-slaughter.