I admittedly see both sides of the argument when it comes to this, and I recognize how much of a threat lots of new poor voters are to the conservatives. If enough people got citizenship and managed to turn Texas blue, it'd be over for Republicans.

I admittedly see both sides of the argument when it comes to this, and I recognize how much of a threat lots of new poor voters are to the conservatives. If enough people got citizenship and managed to turn Texas blue, it'd be over for Republicans.

And it would further weaken the middle class.You liberals are going to get things your way. And I guess you can go on blaming Republicans forever. It works well for Obama. Heck, it's STILL Bush's fault as a "go to" for any problem. Just today, MSNBC was blaming Republicans for the failures in the roll out of Obamacare.

I can tell you they come here for all the freebies they get from our system. If you are at all familiar with Mexico you know there is two classes there. The wealthy and educated and the poor and uneducated. They are encouraging their poor and uneducated to come here. The thing that kept this country strong was we had a strong middle class. It is steadily being destroyed and when it is gone we will be no better than Mexico - and that includes the violence that comes with it. I have no problems with immigration.. but it should be from a wide variety of locations, not one country or one demographic and just as they insist in Canada and Australia that their immigrants have an education and the financial stability to sustain their-selves we should be doing the same thing here. Yes., Immigrate here. But have a job and have the money for your own food, housing, healthcare, cars, etc. Contribute to our society instead of take from it.

No liberal_spy anyone with 2 brain cells will see that it will be over for this country. Our once great country has been going downhill for the past 40 years but in the last 7 or 8 years it has gone downhill so bad it really may never come back even to just a mediocre country. The world is happy they hated us even as we helped people in other countries survive disasters and helped them with their wars. The conservatives and Christians in this country have been proven to be the most generous in the world they always opened up their pocketbooks to people in need. Now they are the people in need and can't nor can they trust anyone in government anymore. This is nothing to be proud of or gloat over. You liberal_spy will have to live with what is left of this once proud country too. it won't be the utopia of your dreams it will be hell on earth. Socialism and communism has proven to be hell it has never worked and won't work here. What is happening is we will all be in poverty while the elites live it up on the tax money that is enough to have made slaves of us and read history not a good thing revolution then takes place and no one wins there will just be death.

raml writes:[[ Our once great country has been going downhill for the past 40 years but in the last 7 or 8 years it has gone downhill so bad it really may never come back even to just a mediocre country. ]]

I can't remember to whom it should be attributed, but this brings to mind the saying that while it can take centuries to build a civilization, the entire construct can be wiped out within the span of a generation or two.

The past 40 years has proven this.

It's almost like Western Civilization (in general) and our nation (in particular) resemble the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001.At one moment, they were standing, though damaged.Then suddenly, they collapsed, straight down, out of existence, right before our eyes.

Right now, as a nation we're still standing.But could things suddenly accelerate downward, faster than anyone could have anticipated?

Right now, as a nation we're still standing.But could things suddenly accelerate downward, faster than anyone could have anticipated?

Fisherm....

You bet they could and no body on this God's earth is paying the slightest bit of attention to it. Too busy duke-ing it out underground about subjects that are none of the federal government's business.

In the meantime, your representatives are working like mating rabbits to get amnesty passed.

I admittedly see both sides of the argument when it comes to this, and I recognize how much of a threat lots of new poor voters are to the conservatives. If enough people got citizenship and managed to turn Texas blue, it'd be over for Republicans.

See, this is what we call a tell. At least be honest about who you are, and why you're posting.

What good do you see if the Democrats get many new voters, and have the presidency along with both sides of congress, with a super-majority in the Senate?

How does that help out the average citizen, who has seen their income plummet under Obama?

If the GOP passes it the party will be finished - totally and completely finished. Soros has always wanted to own this country lock, stock and barrel and he is very close to getting his wish.

Yep, and not only is the GOP finished, but so is this country as we know it. The Marxists will have won, and the idiots who can't produce, yet vote for them, will be the first forgotten about by their leaders.

Yep, and not only is the GOP finished, but so is this country as we know it. The Marxists will have won, and the idiots who can't produce, yet vote for them, will be the first forgotten about by their leaders.

Remember when McCain "pretended" to back off on this when he was running for president? Yet... his "Hispanic outreach" guy in the wings was the most dispicable of them all - Juan Hernandez... I have very strong and legitimate reasons for not being able to stand my state senator (s)......

The McCain staff questioned in a conference call about the involvement of Juan Hernandez as an adviser, dodged the question by stating that Juan Hernandez supports McCain's position on illegal immigration. While this should come as no shock, at least the campaign staff is clear that they'll continue using advisers who are loyal to the Mexican government when it comes to illegal immigration.

If you're not sure who Juan Hernandez is, watch this important video Who Is Juan Hernandez?

For most this is nothing new, since McCain was co-author of the past few amnesty attempts in the Senate with Ted Kennedy. It is just important to remember the people that John McCain is using for his advisers - especially his Hispanic Outreach Director. Because the message sent to the "Hispanic community" is that it is OK to be illegal in this country and it is expected as a "Hispanic" that you put Mexico first.

Remember when McCain "pretended" to back off on this when he was running for president? Yet... his "Hispanic outreach" guy in the wings was the most dispicable of them all - Juan Hernandez... I have very strong and legitimate reasons for not being able to stand my state senator (s)......

The McCain staff questioned in a conference call about the involvement of Juan Hernandez as an adviser, dodged the question by stating that Juan Hernandez supports McCain's position on illegal immigration. While this should come as no shock, at least the campaign staff is clear that they'll continue using advisers who are loyal to the Mexican government when it comes to illegal immigration.

If you're not sure who Juan Hernandez is, watch this important video Who Is Juan Hernandez?

For most this is nothing new, since McCain was co-author of the past few amnesty attempts in the Senate with Ted Kennedy. It is just important to remember the people that John McCain is using for his advisers - especially his Hispanic Outreach Director. Because the message sent to the "Hispanic community" is that it is OK to be illegal in this country and it is expected as a "Hispanic" that you put Mexico first.

Rap, I hope you know I agree with you more often than otherwise. The amnesty thing is a loser for not only the GOP, but the country, and I think only one poster on this board (who is a n00b) is even trying to sell it. If there are others, well, this is the thread in which to debate it.

Rap, I hope you know I agree with you more often than otherwise. The amnesty thing is a loser for not only the GOP, but the country, and I think only one poster on this board (who is a n00b) is even trying to sell it. If there are others, well, this is the thread in which to debate it.

I don't have any problems with you. Even when you do disagree with me, we talk it out. Heck my husband didn't agree with me ALL the time ~LOL~