Are You Normal?

Is it normal i think "islamic modesty" like the hijab is anything but "modest"

I see things like the hijab (headscarf), niqab (face covering) etc as incredibly fake. It's a false performance of modesty, I almost look at it like it's a humblebrag.

There's nothing more attention-seeking than wearing a ridiculous-looking garment, that you know everyone is going to notice... because everyone has to see how "modest" you are. So while it might be modest physically, is it really humble behaviour? I don't think it is.

Seems to me that if a woman was serious about being modest, she'd throw on some slacks, a decent blouse and maybe a long cardigan. Then she'd shut up about it, because she does NOT want to draw attention to herself. That's "modesty", going out in public dressed like the dementors from Harry Potter is not modesty.

There are lots of guys in Egypt who intentionally bruise up their foreheads, so they walk around with these bruised foreheads for everyone to see. And it's because they bow down when they pray, so it's like 'look at me, look at how much I pray' - a humblebrag like you said. Trying hard to appear virtuous rather than actually being virtuous.
So...I'm just saying, I think it's a bit of a thing in the Islamic world. It's a crazy religion.

Religion needs to suppress independent thought to ensure its agenda is submissively followed. Humble brag makes the suppression of common sense look cool. Eventually a zeitgeist develops that adds momentum to continuing social acceptance.

I agree with that too, it's definitely an oppressive garment and I'd criticise it from that angle as well. I just think it defeats the point of modesty, and I wanted to know what people though of it from that angle.

True in the West but in their home country where every damn person is wearing one of those your point doesn't stand. that's like saying when amish/menonites are on their way thru normal towns in that ridiculous (and smelly) get up are just doing it for attention

Islam is by far the most fucked up religion today. Not to say most every other religion isn't messed up, but at least 90% or more have changed with the times. islam doesn't mostly depending on where they practice in certain countries.
In the middle east they are totally violent to anyone who doesn't believe, who broke some stupid law, to their women, to gays and towards others who practice different faiths.

I know a couple people who came to America and quit islam because of the bat shit crazy lifestyle. The horrific stories of their family and neighbors getting beat or killed for something here no one would care two shits about.

I recently saw an Islamic couple at a resort I was at. The woman was wearing a black, one piece bathing suit and had to garb on her head. She wasn't all done up as I've seen before. I would consider this a more modern form and they were younger people. All good with that. I think most people looked at her once and didn't think so much about it unlike some poor woman wearing an entire garbage bag over her face and body. That stands out and screams - look at how fuckin' repressed I am! Nothing more than that.

It's religious oppression. All religion is based on oppression and fear. Religion in all its ugly forms has been the source of untold misery to the human race since the beginning of recorded history. And as long as fear exists, it always will be.

Hijabs, and their cousins, the niquab and burka are designed to subjugate and dehumanise a person. They are symbols of women's oppression in the modern world and I feel it is a serious human rights violation, considering they make women wear these in very hot climates to avoid the very real threat of rape in Muslim countries.

its a islamic tradition for the women to cover their bodies like that so it wont sexually attract men. Of couse in a muslim country it is shunned to a woman not to wear it (i think only married ones use it, but i might be wrong). Now on our 'ocidental world' where the muslm faith is rare, of couse it calls for attention.
Also, there is a difference between beeing modest and beeing discreet

What? Religious texts don't account for urbanization. The traditions were built around the time. You are not concerning yourself seriously with how practicing Islam functions. It is modesty in a religious sense, not for the judgement of random westerners lol.