Whitechapel - Grim Meathook Future2015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/
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Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=147632#Comment_1476322009-04-18T17:58:33-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00vianhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3538
With possible related threads now closed, I think Whitechapel could use a newsthread-style catchall for developments on the grim meathook front. Ain't nothing better than a healthy, soulcrushing ...
Decided to post this as I read that 1,500 farmers have committed mass suicide in India. Any related history I've read has told me it has never, ever been a good idea to be a farmer, but I discount the feeling that this is another sign of the Earth shrugging and saying, "There's only so many of you I can take." And I've been reading a lot of Lovelock lately.

So let's all keep abreast with environmental distaster! Tent cities! Technological collapse! The futility of survivalism!]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=147662#Comment_1476622009-04-18T20:48:34-05:002009-04-18T20:50:54-05:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
The really depressing bit: the farmer suicides aren't a new phenomenon. Pretty much every year for the past decade or so if the monsoon fails or there's an outbreak of blight you get a wave of ...
Edited to add: Next year may be even worse if UG99 hits the Indian wheat crop.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=147665#Comment_1476652009-04-18T20:54:50-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00James Pucketthttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2911
Normally I’m a defender of space programs, but I really can’t believe India is spending money launching rockets with this kind of shit happening like clockwork.
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=147668#Comment_1476682009-04-18T21:07:46-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
Well really they're spending money on ICBMs then using them to launch satellites for PR purposes.
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=147671#Comment_1476712009-04-18T21:28:27-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00heresybobhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4109
So, let's see if I have any pity... uh... nope...
1) In the last week, I survived the second round of layoffs and now, we're training [people] in India for jobs that my friends used to ...
1) In the last week, I survived the second round of layoffs and now, we're training [people] in India for jobs that my friends used to have.

2) There's 6.6 billion people... 1500? not even a drop in the ocean.

I have a very dystopic viewpoint about this: we're addicted to breeding - if we don't control our desire to play with the playdoh fun factory of life, it's going to more of the worst things humans do to each other. I seriously wouldn't mind it so much if India had a labor movement, but listening to "managers" directly "workers" over the phone and it's [] caste dynamic... makes me feel dirty everytime we're on the phone.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=147710#Comment_1477102009-04-19T04:00:32-05:002009-04-19T08:06:06-05:00poor_boyhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3170
on second thought...nope. don't feel like sharing
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=147712#Comment_1477122009-04-19T04:48:40-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00icelandbobhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5250
@Lingeredshade
Ah that trailer brings me back to my childhood in my neck of the woods... The Orkney Child abuse scandal.... This was at a time when there was a lot of scaremongering in the UK ...
Ah that trailer brings me back to my childhood in my neck of the woods... The Orkney Child abuse scandal.... This was at a time when there was a lot of scaremongering in the UK media about scores of Satanic cults that were running paedophile rings involving their own children and children of neighbours. I even remember it on the Cook report at the time..

alas it turned out that there was no evidence to support any of this. But just becasue you can´t prove it doens´t mean it doens´t exist right?]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=147716#Comment_1477162009-04-19T05:13:16-05:002009-04-19T07:58:34-05:00poor_boyhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3170
edited for tmi
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=147731#Comment_1477312009-04-19T07:35:45-05:002009-04-19T07:36:03-05:00krugarhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4403
http://www.newscientist.com/data/images/archive/2605/26051202.jpg
neat little chart about how long the supply of various rare metals is believed to last at the current rates of consumption and ...
http://www.newscientist.com/data/images/archive/2605/26051202.jpg

neat little chart about how long the supply of various rare metals is believed to last at the current rates of consumption and recycling.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=147739#Comment_1477392009-04-19T07:59:14-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00heresybobhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4109
What's so disturbing about humans treating other humans like shit?
@icelandbob
>alas it turned out that there was no evidence to support any of this. But just becasue you can´t prove it ...
@icelandbob>alas it turned out that there was no evidence to support any of this. But just becasue you can´t prove it doens´t mean it doens´t exist right?

It works for Jezus un Gawd, right?]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=147740#Comment_1477402009-04-19T08:00:48-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00heresybobhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4109
@krugar
There's an entire solar system out there including JUPITER to consume... we've got plenty of years. :)
There's an entire solar system out there including JUPITER to consume... we've got plenty of years. :)]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=147742#Comment_1477422009-04-19T08:04:27-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00poor_boyhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3170
^ zomg! double post = twice the wisdom
what about uranus?
what about uranus?]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=147763#Comment_1477632009-04-19T08:59:16-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00icelandbobhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5250
Nah fuck Uranus. What have they done for us?
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=147777#Comment_1477772009-04-19T10:25:10-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00E0157H7http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4212
Plan for high-speed rail system that will get me from San Francisco to San Diego at 150 mph unveiled; conservative bobbleheads whine about "government spending" while we spend more money on ...
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=147782#Comment_1477822009-04-19T10:49:03-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00heresybobhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4109
@[]- ape don't kill ape.
Grim Meathook Future == Fucking Uranus. Sweeeet.
A highspeed rail system would be very smart, and because the teamsters would whine, it won't go anywhere...
Grim Meathook Future == Fucking Uranus. Sweeeet.

A highspeed rail system would be very smart, and because the teamsters would whine, it won't go anywhere...]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=147783#Comment_1477832009-04-19T10:55:49-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00E0157H7http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4212
@ hersheybob - It's like everybody sees such a plan and says "this looks awesome, let's cockblock it!"
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=147785#Comment_1477852009-04-19T11:04:38-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00heresybobhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4109
@Eo - heh. Grim Meathooks -> Fucking Uranus -> HersheyBob - funny
re: Cockblocking - it's a good idea but if it's not mine, then we need to stop it because it's evil. Can be found under ...
Fucking Uranus -> HersheyBob - funny

re: Cockblocking - it's a good idea but if it's not mine, then we need to stop it because it's evil. Can be found under #TeabagApril15

:)]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=147855#Comment_1478552009-04-19T18:59:07-05:002009-04-19T19:03:42-05:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
@Krugar
"neat little chart about how long the supply of various rare metals is believed to last at the current rates of consumption and recycling."
This was discussed here when it was ...
"neat little chart about how long the supply of various rare metals is believed to last at the current rates of consumption and recycling."

As I explained at the time, even without invoking extraterrestrial sources, the claims of imminent shortages are probably wildly inaccurate.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=147870#Comment_1478702009-04-20T00:06:47-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Rictushttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5272
Rictus wonders if such suicide blooms might open in other professions...
Could spread like mold.
Could spread like mold.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=147902#Comment_1479022009-04-20T06:56:24-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00_paegan_http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5503
Could spread like mold. - only if we're lucky.
Could spread like mold. - only if we're lucky.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=147909#Comment_1479092009-04-20T07:19:31-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Kittensandunicornshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6098
Is it wrong to add this link about small Indian willies?
this link about small Indian willies?]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=147983#Comment_1479832009-04-20T14:19:18-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00BrianKelletthttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=234
Re: Suicide
- only if we're lucky.
So speaketh the person who has probably never had to deal with a hanging where the father *made sure* that it would be his pre-teen kids coming home who found ...

- only if we're lucky.

So speaketh the person who has probably never had to deal with a hanging where the father *made sure* that it would be his pre-teen kids coming home who found him hanging outside the patio windows.

Try being first on scene with a crying seven and nine year old, and their dad hung in front of them...

Interesting that some people seem not to mind that Indians are dying - it's not like they are really 'people' are they? Just a number on the other side of the planet.

If anything, it's being able to mobilise the mass of people that we have that might just get us out of the shit we seem to have wandered into. Unless you think that intelligence is racial/genetic then the more people we have the more doctors and scientists we'll get. And if we have more of them we may then have a few more major breakthroughs in science.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=148041#Comment_1480412009-04-20T19:05:47-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00vianhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3538
So, Oxfam is saying climate change will deliver a sharp kick in the taint to humanitarian organizations over the next seven years. As everybody probably already knows, just trying to phase in ...
climate change will deliver a sharp kick in the taint to humanitarian organizations over the next seven years. As everybody probably already knows, just trying to phase in electric cars ain't gonna do shit. At this point, is there anything we can really do?

I started James Lovelock's Revenge of Gaia today, and he makes some staggering observations in the first thirty pages. According to him, we need to switch to nuclear power as quickly as possible to reduce emissions, simultaneously developing truly cheap and renewable energy. The idea would be to deal with the waste later but try to save our greenhouse gas-emitting asses right now. Of course, this isn't something likely to happen as governments and corporations squabble over their preferred ways of deal with/admitting the existence of global warming. Lovelock offers some other ideas I hadn't heard about, including the proposed Severn Estuary tidal barrage.

This is what I've been thinking about since considering going back to school. I've vacillated between urban studies and environmental concerns, because those seemed to be the biggest issues for the future. But the more I look into this stuff, it looks like we all new new areas of study which combine disparate specialties - how often do scientists and researchers in different disciplines share with one another?

Lovelock also mentions offhand that oxygen is carcinogenic, but I can't find a better source on that.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=148043#Comment_1480432009-04-20T19:12:11-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Alan Tysonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1299
Well, sure, oxygen is what triggers free radical cells, isn't it?
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=148073#Comment_1480732009-04-20T22:06:23-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
"This is what I've been thinking about since considering going back to school. I've vacillated between urban studies and environmental concerns, because those seemed to be the biggest issues for ...
Honestly if you've got the marks for it, go into material science because that's where the disruptive technologies are going to come from.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=148074#Comment_1480742009-04-20T22:08:41-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00tim12shttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=737
@vian
I remember kid's science mags in the late 70's talking about stringing Salter's Ducks across the Severn.
As does Interwubjesustalin.
I remember kid's science mags in the late 70's talking about stringing Salter's Ducks across the Severn.

As does Interwubjesustalin.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=148081#Comment_1480812009-04-20T23:23:36-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00E0157H7http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4212
Pepsi introduces "throwback" promotional versions of Pepsi Cola and Mountain Dew made with older formulas that use cane sugar instead of high-fructose corn syrup. Masses of US citizens ...
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=148083#Comment_1480832009-04-20T23:53:28-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00BrianMowreyhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1709
made with older formulas that use cane sugar instead of high-fructose corn syrup
BUT ONLY temporarily, which is silly bullshit. Aside from the fact that cheap soda probably enables more health ...
made with older formulas that use cane sugar instead of high-fructose corn syrupBUT ONLY temporarily, which is silly bullshit. Aside from the fact that cheap soda probably enables more health problems in the US than all the drug use that's ever happened since 1965, Coke and Pepsi should already always have a more expensive, real sugar line; it would make them a little money (Coke tastes hell of better anyway, and is tastier than Jones soda as well).

You can get Mexican-bottled cane-sugar Coke in Mexican groceries, but once I've committed to paying for real sugar, then hell with soda altogether I get myself a bottle of Honest Tea which is the best god damn beverage in the world. (Mango Acai? OH MY GOD...) But fuck corn syrup. I don't touch the stuff.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=148105#Comment_1481052009-04-21T03:46:27-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Verissimushttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3379
Nuclear power isn't made from magical pixie dust, it's extracted from uranium which is actually in short supply.
If we start using it to supply, say, 90 % of all our energy needs, it would be ...
If we start using it to supply, say, 90 % of all our energy needs, it would be gone in decades. So I really don't understand why Lovelock is suddenly opting for going nuclear.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=148126#Comment_1481262009-04-21T06:30:29-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Oddculthttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=214
Decades should be plenty of time to sort out renewables, with a serious level of commitment.
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=148135#Comment_1481352009-04-21T06:58:24-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Alan Tysonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1299
It might also give us time to figure out and thus switch over to fusion plants.
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=148144#Comment_1481442009-04-21T08:36:21-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Osmosishttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=866
@ Arjan
1) reprocessing
2) MOX
3) breeder reactors
1) reprocessing2) MOX3) breeder reactors]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=148182#Comment_1481822009-04-21T11:21:15-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00E0157H7http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4212
@ BrianMowrey - It's a combination of sugar tariffs and corn subsidies. We don't use HFCS because it's inherently cheaper or easier than using cane sugar, it's because we've manufactured an economic ...
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=148271#Comment_1482712009-04-21T16:08:22-05:002009-04-21T16:08:41-05:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
Osmosis:
As far as breeder reactors go, every single one built to date has either exploded, caught fire or melted. Except for the one in Russia that exploded, caught fire AND melted.
Also, even ...
As far as breeder reactors go, every single one built to date has either exploded, caught fire or melted. Except for the one in Russia that exploded, caught fire AND melted.

Also, even if breeders work as designed they would only produce 105-110% of the fuel they consume, meaning 80-90% of all reactors would need to be breeders - which are inherently more expensive than pressurised water reactors because of the need for two separate coolant cycles.

There's also the point that if we wanted to make a significant dent in total world energy demand we'd need to increase the rate of reactor construction about 10-fold, especially seeing as many older reactors will need to be repacled in the next couple of decades.

We're going to continue to run nuclear reactors, we'll probably end up running more than we do now - but they're no panacea for the world's energy problems.

And I haven't even mentioned the environmental and human cost of Uranium mining - the bit of the supposedly clean and safe industry people don't like to talk about.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=148282#Comment_1482822009-04-21T16:44:24-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00vianhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3538
See, and now uranium mining is something I need to look into. But as everyone reading this is probably already aware, Lovelock's idea is akin to being on a plane running low on fuel - start throwing ...
Daniel Goleman's Ecological Intelligence came out today. It describes what little we know about how our everyday lives affect the environment. I've only flipped through it so far, and it's interesting, but I'm not sure if he acknowledges that the idea of 'sustainable development' isn't something like to help us out by this point.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=148285#Comment_1482852009-04-21T16:50:58-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Jon Wakehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1684
Lets not forget that James Lovelock is batshit insane and actually proposed the exact same global warming reversal tool that made its debut in Highlander 2: The Quickening. He's also been pretty ...
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=148288#Comment_1482882009-04-21T16:57:55-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
What Jon said.
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=148320#Comment_1483202009-04-21T19:20:34-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Rictushttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5272
Name it not!
The name must never be spoke.
The name must never be spoke.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=148329#Comment_1483292009-04-21T20:15:51-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00StefanJhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=961
Kosher Coke, available just before Passover in cities with observant Jewish neighborhoods, is made with cane sugar.
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=148442#Comment_1484422009-04-22T08:07:16-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00BZedanhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2368
I suppose it isn't terribly grim (a little ice age is relatively whatevs), but it is pretty creepy, visually—our sun has gone quite quiet. Shit is cyclic, &c., but it is very still and makes ...
little ice age is relatively whatevs), but it is pretty creepy, visually—our sun has gone quite quiet. Shit is cyclic, &c., but it is very still and makes me wonder what trouble it is planning. I wonder what the noise it puts out sounds like now?]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=148470#Comment_1484702009-04-22T09:53:55-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00thekamisamahttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1836
One thing amongst the madness to cheer us up?
Hopefully this blood sacrifice will help appease the ancient gods of the global economy. At least it might if "Voodoo Economics" lives up to ...
Hopefully this blood sacrifice will help appease the ancient gods of the global economy. At least it might if "Voodoo Economics" lives up to it's name.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=148510#Comment_1485102009-04-22T11:42:01-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00icelandbobhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5250
of course we will be all reading this in the grim meathook future...
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Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=148560#Comment_1485602009-04-22T14:31:30-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00mister hexhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4411
@ icelandbob - AWESOME! Where can I subscribe? (byclosingyoureyes,stupid!) ... never mind ...
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=148585#Comment_1485852009-04-22T15:47:17-05:002009-04-22T15:51:49-05:00poor_boyhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3170
@ thekamisama - The chief financial officer of Freddie Mac, one of the mortgage giants at the heart of the nation's financial meltdown, was found dead in his basement early Wednesday morning in what ...
The chief financial officer of Freddie Mac, one of the mortgage giants at the heart of the nation's financial meltdown, was found dead in his basement early Wednesday morning in what police said was an apparent suicide.My god, people, don't you see? Obama is cursing our nation's enemies to death with his voodoo powers!

edited to add proofiness. flesh is stronger than steel]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=148598#Comment_1485982009-04-22T16:53:38-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00vianhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3538
Get ready to meet the private police force.
I mainly picked up the Lovelock book because I like the idea of Gaia theory. That said, I'm still casting about for good refutations of his claims. He ...
private police force.

I mainly picked up the Lovelock book because I like the idea of Gaia theory. That said, I'm still casting about for good refutations of his claims. He is definitely arguing the worst case scenario, a technique which has its merits, but most reactions I find are based on an op-ed piece whose length doesn't allow it to get too deep in statistics.

Actually, this could be a good counterargument. I'll have to get back to it when I'm not so tired.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=148643#Comment_1486432009-04-22T20:50:45-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00E0157H7http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4212
Thee different people playing loud rap with their mobiles just on the light rail today. The average is one per car. They bob their heads in such a self-satisfied way as if to say I am absolutely ...
I am absolutely oblivious to how fucking annoying I am. It's the little things that really drive home how much I want dangerous psychokinetic powers.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=148660#Comment_1486602009-04-22T22:47:14-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00mister hexhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4411
@ E0157H7 - This is why one doesn't whistle in prison. It Will Get You Stabbed.
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=148732#Comment_1487322009-04-23T08:32:03-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00icelandbobhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5250
and of course the future will be run by idiots...
Just shoot me... Some boo Bill Nye for saying moon reflects light
Just shoot me... Some boo Bill Nye for saying moon reflects light]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=148768#Comment_1487682009-04-23T11:09:59-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00icelandbobhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5250
and this is what those scientists will be developing in the future...
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Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=148901#Comment_1489012009-04-24T01:59:45-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
Grim Meathook Present:
Govt 'violence manual' raises China net users' ire
Posted 2 hours 3 minutes ago
Extracts from what appears to be a government manual telling law enforcers how to use ...
Grim Meathook Present:

Govt 'violence manual' raises China net users' ire

Posted 2 hours 3 minutes ago

Extracts from what appears to be a government manual telling law enforcers how to use violence have caused outrage among internet users in China.

Details from the guide were published online and in a state newspaper.

One passage advises: "Take care to avoid leaving blood on the subject's face or visible wounds on the body."

The official who circulated the extracts said he thought much of the guide was useful but some parts were inappropriate.

The guide is aimed at local government enforcers who are employed to deal with low-level crime such as checking permits and removing unlicensed street vendors.

They have often been accused of using excessive force.

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Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=148917#Comment_1489172009-04-24T03:37:05-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00BrianMowreyhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1709
Well, what else did these "internet users" believe was the purpose of police wearing weapons? Police use weapons to employ violence on citizens. Only difference between the cops and the ...
why we let police have the power to beat and kill people in the first place.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149030#Comment_1490302009-04-24T11:54:27-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00rafagadevientohttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5969
Don`t look now, but Mexico city is on a epidemy of influenza, 20+ death confirmed and 900+ suspected cases...
If this turns to be a HUGE epidemy... we could have a good idea of how a epidemic ...
If this turns to be a HUGE epidemy... we could have a good idea of how a epidemic apocalypse could goes... Mexico city have almost 25 million of people, living very very close...

Now, after saying this, im going to try to figure how to go back home avoiding big concentrations of people (gov suggestion)... since the company is sending all people home, right now.

Also, the rage in Mexico city today are the Facemask, if im able to take a picture of a big group of people using them, i post the pic tonight :).]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149166#Comment_1491662009-04-25T03:42:47-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Finaglehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5254
Situation Update No. 19
On 2009-04-25 at 11:27:58 [UTC]
Event: Epidemic Hazard
Location: Mexico Mexico City, San Luis Potosí, Oaxaca, Baja, Mexicali
Number of Deads: 68 persons
Infected: ...
Situation Update No. 19On 2009-04-25 at 11:27:58 [UTC]

The World Health Organisation said on Saturday it will hold an emergency meeting at 1400 GMT to discuss a deadly swine flu strain outbreak in Mexico and the United States. WHO Director-General Margaret Chan called the "virtual meeting" that will link public health authorities and experts in various parts of the world "to seek their advice and guidance," WHO spokesman Fadela Chaib said. Chan will also brief journalists about the outbreak -- which has killed up to 68 people in Mexico and infected 8 in the United States -- on a teleconference before the virtual meeting starts, at 1300 GMT. The experts will not necessarily issue firm recommendations on Saturday. Once more details are clear about the virus and its risks, the emergency panel could recommend a change in the WHO's pandemic alert level -- currently at 3 on a scale of 1 to 6 -- or recommend travel advisories to control the flu's spread.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149180#Comment_1491802009-04-25T05:04:17-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00icelandbobhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5250
And while there is a flu epidemic, GM is coming back to bit us on the arse...
‘Superweed’ explosion threatens Monsanto heartlands
The gospel of high-tech genetically modified (GM) crops is ...
‘Superweed’ explosion threatens Monsanto heartlands

The gospel of high-tech genetically modified (GM) crops is not sounding quite so sweet in the land of the converted. A new pest, the evil pigweed, is hitting headlines and chomping its way across Sun Belt states, threatening to transform cotton and soybean plots into weed battlefields. In late 2004, “superweeds” that resisted Monsanto’s iconic “Roundup” herbicide, popped up in GM crops in the county of Macon, Georgia. Monsanto, the US multinational biotech corporation, is the world’s leading producer of Roundup, as well as genetically engineered seeds. Company figures show that nine out of 10 US farmers produce Roundup Ready seeds for their soybean crops.

I find myself unable to properly respond to this information. The cynical side of me says, "Ho hum, more disaster porn distracting from real news," while the credulous mammal in me says, "Surgical masks and Tamiflu now, please." I feel like the right response should be sometime between now and hearing "Bring out your dead!" in the streets, but don't want to be caught out being either a cynic or a fool.

I currently work from home quite a lot and get most things delivered, so holing up in the house and riding out an outbreak in Boston really wouldn't involve much of a lifestyle change apart from maybe keeping the kid out of school.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149196#Comment_1491962009-04-25T06:25:29-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
The timing of the Swine Flu outbreak - at the start of the northern winter - is a worry. It has the entire flu season to spread.
Last figures I saw were 68 dead out of around 1,000 cases. That's a ...
Last figures I saw were 68 dead out of around 1,000 cases. That's a 6-7% fatality rate compared with 15% or more for the Spanish flu and 2% for SARS. hopefully that'll come down now that medical authorities are aware of the risks.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149202#Comment_1492022009-04-25T07:26:35-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00rafagadevientohttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5969
hopefully that'll come down now that medical authorities are aware of the risks.
25 april 2009.
Somehow... im still alive...
LOL i always wanted to say that, ha ha ha.
Well, Mexico have ...
hopefully that'll come down now that medical authorities are aware of the risks.

25 april 2009.

Somehow... im still alive...

LOL i always wanted to say that, ha ha ha.

Well, Mexico have a high developed culture to fight disasters, the earthquake of 1985 kill many and since then, i think that the usually useless MX government are quite good at fighting the results of the disasters.

No pic of Face mask yesterday, the fear win and i accept a ride to my home from one of buddies at work, and im not leaving my house this weekend... i wonder , how much a influenza epidemic last ???

Greeting for everyone from Mexico city.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149206#Comment_1492062009-04-25T07:48:42-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Cat Vincenthttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=447
@Stygmata:
Hate to mention it but Tamiflu-resistant viral strains are popping up more and more...
@rafagadeviento:
Wish you the best of health and luck, mate.
Hate to mention it but Tamiflu-resistant viral strains are popping up more and more...

@rafagadeviento:Wish you the best of health and luck, mate.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149257#Comment_1492572009-04-25T13:44:49-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00BrianMowreyhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1709
The timing of the Swine Flu outbreak - at the start of the northern winter - is a worry. It has the entire flu season to spread.
Last figures I saw were 68 dead out of around 1,000 cases. That's a ...
The timing of the Swine Flu outbreak - at the start of the northern winter - is a worry. It has the entire flu season to spread.

Last figures I saw were 68 dead out of around 1,000 cases. That's a 6-7% fatality rate compared with 15% or more for the Spanish flu Northern winter? Is there something I don't know about?

The /1000 cases should be lowered minus however many just happen to have the regular flu, last I read we can't keep up with confirming what's what, so in other words the death rate for swinepocalypse might be higher already.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149265#Comment_1492652009-04-25T14:25:02-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
"Northern winter? Is there something I don't know about?"
You mean like the southern hemisphere?
You mean like the southern hemisphere?]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149269#Comment_1492692009-04-25T14:37:33-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00E0157H7http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4212
The really terrible thing about the swine flu outbreak in Mexico is when it inevitably blows through the Mexicali border, it'll give the hardcore anti-immigrant right-wingers an excuse to mobilize ...
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149281#Comment_1492812009-04-25T15:17:52-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00G. Foylehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3863
You mean like the southern hemisphere?
Wouldn't that be the southern winter then? Seriously, I'm confused.
You mean like the southern hemisphere?

Wouldn't that be the southern winter then? Seriously, I'm confused.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149286#Comment_1492862009-04-25T15:57:06-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
Mexico is in the northern hemisphere.
I said "northern winter" to indicate that it's the start of winter now in Mexico.
I said "northern winter" to indicate that it's the start of winter now in Mexico.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149290#Comment_1492902009-04-25T16:10:54-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Ian_Mhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5571
Speaking as a northerner - No, it really isn't the start of the northern winter. Not even in Mexico, which is not northern.
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149296#Comment_1492962009-04-25T16:23:44-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
Okay in the probably futile hope of ending this exercise in pedantry;
It is currently autumn in the northern hemisphere which includes Mexico. The next three to six months are the peak period for ...
It is currently autumn in the northern hemisphere which includes Mexico. The next three to six months are the peak period for influenza of all kinds and is therefore the worst possibly tiem for the emergence of a new strain as it will have months to spread under ideal conditions.

Had the outbreak occurred at this time of year in a southern hemisphere country such as Brazil it would be somewhat less worrying.

Are we clear now?]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149298#Comment_1492982009-04-25T16:34:39-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Verissimushttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3379
The timing of the Swine Flu outbreak - at the start of the northern winter - is a worry. It has the entire flu season to spread.
I think that it is april, which is spring, not autumn...and soon it ...
The timing of the Swine Flu outbreak - at the start of the northern winter - is a worry. It has the entire flu season to spread.

I think that it is april, which is spring, not autumn...and soon it shall be summer, not winter.

However april is the cruelest month, so it may turn out that it is autumn after all.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149299#Comment_1492992009-04-25T16:39:14-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Ian_Mhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5571
I live in the northern hemisphere. IT IS NOT AUTUMN HERE IT IS SPRING THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE I AM SO FUCKING SICK OF WINTER I AM WILLING TO KILL OVER IT.
But the fact that this strain has ...
But the fact that this strain has already spread to NYC is worrying. That means it's been active for significantly longer than the authorities have been aware of it. My roommate had a similar strain in the '70s, when he was young and in excellent physical condition. It hospitalized him for two weeks.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149301#Comment_1493012009-04-25T16:46:06-05:002009-04-25T16:46:30-05:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
Oh hel.
I'm in the southern hemisphere and I got totally turned around.
Then I got snarky about it.
I'm an idiot.
Sorry everyone.
I'm in the southern hemisphere and I got totally turned around.

Then I got snarky about it.

I'm an idiot.

Sorry everyone.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149303#Comment_1493032009-04-25T16:58:25-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Ian_Mhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5571
Apology totally accepted. I've been an idiot over the internet more than a few times myself.
Now for God's sake please make the snow go away.
Now for God's sake please make the snow go away.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149390#Comment_1493902009-04-26T07:53:42-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Scrymgeourhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4141
its sunny even in this beautiful shithole that i call home
Ian_M I feel for you mate, i really do. Where I grew up summer just meant that the rain got warmer.
Ian_M I feel for you mate, i really do. Where I grew up summer just meant that the rain got warmer.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149415#Comment_1494152009-04-26T09:30:47-05:002009-04-26T09:42:06-05:00MementoMorihttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5213
More cases of swine flu confirmed in the US. Suspicious cases in Europe and China. It's spreading.
It's spreading.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149419#Comment_1494192009-04-26T09:52:10-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
We'll probably get a better idea of the mortality rate now that the flu appears to be spreading in the US - many people in Mexico probably never bothered to go to the doctor for what seemed like an ...
There's also this slightly encouraging bit from MM's link:

So far, there have been no deaths from swine flu in the United States, and only one of the people who tested positive for the disease has been hospitalized, officials said. Even though most of the cases have been mild, officials said they expect reports of more severe infections, and said the government had declared a public health emergency over swine flu.

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Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149442#Comment_1494422009-04-26T10:49:05-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Finaglehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5254
I've just been reading around on my various social networks, and so far I have to say I kind of find the various sarcastic and cynical responses to the current flu outbreak to be pretty ...offensive? ...
The SARS outbreaks in Asia were contained at the cost of a lot of really drastic public-health measures, including basically changing the entire subsistence culture of many poor urban-dwellers by killing every single avian life-form within the reach of the major urban centers. Do we have any Chinese, Hong Kong, Thai or other Asian members who'd like to speak to this in more direct terms and tell your stories? Because I keep seeing references to people wearing surgical masks and urban centers taking precautions as being just hilarious, and I'd love to be able to point to some first-person accounts in response.

For instance, I keep seeing this image thrown up on various cynics journals, something that represents a trope about ineffectual responses to the Black Plague:

Nevermind the fact that they are using the image inappropriately - this is an image that represents a culture desperate to escape a really, actually horrible plague, and now it has been turned around to represent media over-blownness.

Are we just collectively whistling past the graveyard or what?]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149455#Comment_1494552009-04-26T11:51:41-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Ian_Mhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5571
I've seen what you're talking about. When people refuse to take reality seriously they probably have nothing to say that you need to hear. Stop networking with idiots. Put some distance between ...
Swine flu in Canada.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149459#Comment_1494592009-04-26T13:11:44-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Cat Vincenthttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=447
@Stygmata:
Oddly that image is key to the current storyline in Hellblazer, which is about the building of the 2012 Olympic stadium on London's plague pits...
And yeah - black humour is one thing ...
Oddly that image is key to the current storyline in Hellblazer, which is about the building of the 2012 Olympic stadium on London's plague pits...And yeah - black humour is one thing but the general response of the aforementioned blog-fuckwittery is vile.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149461#Comment_1494612009-04-26T13:26:31-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00E0157H7http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4212
I'm more worried about the political ramifications of the flu outbreak. The only thing that provides a better opportunity for seizure of power than a bombing or natural disaster is an epidemic. I ...
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149463#Comment_1494632009-04-26T13:29:53-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00icelandbobhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5250
@CatVincent
Good call. I only just read that yesterday.
Good call. I only just read that yesterday.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149465#Comment_1494652009-04-26T14:13:27-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Ian_Mhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5571
@ E0157H7:
The US racist/nationalist right-wing already has militias patrolling the US-Mexican border. And they've also already played the public health and safety card multiple times. This will ...
The US racist/nationalist right-wing already has militias patrolling the US-Mexican border. And they've also already played the public health and safety card multiple times. This will get a lot of play in the blogs, but won't make much difference in their attitudes or behaviours.

Regarding your profile picture - In 2000 I wore an outfit like that as my halloween costume and told everyone I was a terrorist. In 2001 I wasn't invited to any halloween parties.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149474#Comment_1494742009-04-26T15:12:52-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
"The SARS outbreaks in Asia were contained at the cost of a lot of really drastic public-health measures,"
The article linked to in 71 describes how every entrant to Hong Kong gets a ...
The article linked to in 71 describes how every entrant to Hong Kong gets a thermal scan and anyone who shows even a moderate fever gets compulsorily confined for a couple of days of observation.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149476#Comment_1494762009-04-26T15:15:34-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
After the nonsense over the mishandling of H5N1 samples, I'm waiting for the first right-wing nutcases to proclaim this part of Obama's plan to turn America into a "Marxofascist ...
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149492#Comment_1494922009-04-26T16:12:17-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00mrareyhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6127
@Stygmata: The US has a good public health system in spite of itself. The funding cuts and lack of even rudimentary science education (especially amongst elected officials) and yet public health ...
No small amount of irony in the huffington post putting up tons of panicky links on the coming nightmare pandemic of doom right next to a completely fact free nonsense piece by Jim Carrey on how vaccines are bad.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149563#Comment_1495632009-04-27T00:41:20-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00krugarhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4403
a swine flu suspected/confirmed/deceased googlemap by some US biomed research firm.
googlemap by some US biomed research firm.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149594#Comment_1495942009-04-27T04:13:06-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00mister hexhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4411
Re : SARS. I live in Toronto. 44 people died, mainly health care workers and old people. The week it hit, I was working at a huge booksale down the street from where the first cases were. I didn't ...
Anytime I hear some official announcing death tolls, I think of that Monty Python sketch where you have to multiply whatever the chap says by ten. (They put buckets on their heads and sing "And did those feet in ancient times, walk upon England's mountains green?" I don't have a link, sorry. Bit of a digression anyway but oddly appropriate, somehow.)

Gonna go wash my hands now.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149613#Comment_1496132009-04-27T05:53:22-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00E0157H7http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4212
@ mister hex - Seriously, yesterday I was talking about the numbers out of Mexico and my whole family pretty much agreed that it must be downplayed it extremely. Death/affected tolls are only really ...
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149624#Comment_1496242009-04-27T06:29:54-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Verissimushttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3379
a swine flu suspected/confirmed/deceased googlemap by some US biomed research firm.
AARGH!
That´s scary. They´re near the Belgian border! Oh my God it´s full of germs!
COUGH
a swine flu suspected/confirmed/deceased googlemap by some US biomed research firm.

COUGH]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149628#Comment_1496282009-04-27T06:35:36-05:002009-04-27T06:37:05-05:00helloMullerhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=560
http://shouldibeworriedaboutswineflu.com/
http://shouldibeworriedaboutswineflu.com/]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149644#Comment_1496442009-04-27T07:43:48-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Old Moon Facehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=31
Frankly bananas assessment of swine flu as New World Order Population Control Beta, courtesy of Ben Goldacre. Wonderful read.
Seriously though, to justify my own cynicism, in the UK I find it ...
New World Order Population Control Beta, courtesy of Ben Goldacre. Wonderful read.

Seriously though, to justify my own cynicism, in the UK I find it difficult to shit myself over The Sun and Daily Mail crying Flupocalypse again. Maybe that shit is going to cry wolf us all to oblivion one of these days, but right now I'm unprepared to buy into the Impending Doom as foretold by That Cunt Dacre.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149651#Comment_1496512009-04-27T08:06:39-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00helloMullerhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=560
No need to worry people, we've been preparing ourselves since 1976!
Get that swine flu shot!
Get that swine flu shot!]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149654#Comment_1496542009-04-27T08:31:14-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Verissimushttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3379
@oldmoonface
OH man is that guy serious? There's too many damn lunatics out there, perhaps we do deserve to be culled...
People need to teach themselves a few facts about influenza; in fact, ...
OH man is that guy serious? There's too many damn lunatics out there, perhaps we do deserve to be culled...

People need to teach themselves a few facts about influenza; in fact, the normal flu which does the rounds each and every year is a serious ailment which can be fatal and it's been with us since forever. So those deaths which we have seen up till now might not be anything out of the ordinary.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149664#Comment_1496642009-04-27T08:58:08-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Ian_Mhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5571
@ helloMuller: Should I be worried about swine flu?
1 - I live in a city with a major international airport.
1 - My roommate works public transit, including the airport shuttle.
1 - My ...
1 - I live in a city with a major international airport.1 - My roommate works public transit, including the airport shuttle.1 - My stepfather works for the airport itself.

1+1+1 = Fuck

That website's 'perspective' is myopic. The creator seems to be saying "Normal flu viruses kill 36000 people per year. This outbreak hasn't killed nearly that many, so don't worry about it".]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149667#Comment_1496672009-04-27T09:08:41-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00icelandbobhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5250
lets not panic people, or this could happen!!
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Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149668#Comment_1496682009-04-27T09:11:07-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00mrareyhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6127
I am counting down to the first republican screaming head to call for the border with Mexico to be sealed. Perhaps Glenn Beck? Sean Hannity? I'm going with Beck, since that seems his oeuvre.
The ...
The second round of that is going to be attacks on Hispanics, especially if "Uhmericuns" start to die. After the bund meetings Palin ran and the Teabaggers tantrums I would almost be shocked if this didn't happen.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149674#Comment_1496742009-04-27T09:30:34-05:002009-04-27T09:36:42-05:00doclivingstonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2318
@mrarey: I'll go ahead and take the bet now that no racist backlash attacks happen, because no severe outbreak of swine flu in America happens that kills anyone but the very old, very young, and ...
Really not worried about this until I'm given concrete reason to be, which has yet to happen.

@Ian: 1 + 1 + 1 = 3, a very small number. Almost as small as 1 even. I think rounding that all the way up to Fuck is a bit premature yet.

As far as the numbers being downplayed, I don't think so. Mexico's already shut down their schools and public events, they're already taking the hit to tourism regardless of what happens, at this point the cat's out of the bag, there's no gain to lying about the numbers of infected/deceased. (The only inaccuracy I imagine happening will just be from imperfect data collection, which is tough anyway with flu-tracking.) And considering the CDC hasn't even said to stop traveling to Mexico, on top of which right now we've got, what, 20 confirmed American cases out of literally thousands and thousands of Americans who've recently been to Mexico, and none of those cases have ended in anything but recovery...?

Yeah. Not worrisome. Not yet. (For me. Here in America. Other people will surely be fucked and I'm sad for that, but American Panic Time is still far off and too many of us [even on these forums] love to exhibit such a hair-trigger desire to start smashing that panic button early.)]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149677#Comment_1496772009-04-27T09:48:02-05:002009-04-27T09:48:24-05:00E0157H7http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4212
Everyone in San Jose has gone batshit. It's surreal. I've been holding my allergy sneezes in all day lest I be cleansed with purifying fire by concerned citizens.
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149678#Comment_1496782009-04-27T09:49:44-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00LokiZerohttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=368
Crap, I'm going to Puerto Vallarta in October.
Or not. >_
Or not. >_<]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149685#Comment_1496852009-04-27T10:16:33-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00JCEFalconihttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=296
I live in Mexico City. The streets are deserted, wearing that mouth cover thing surgeons use.
In a city with millions of people it's hard to get too alarmed about a hundred deaths.
Still ...
In a city with millions of people it's hard to get too alarmed about a hundred deaths.

Still washing my hands a bunch and wearing my watchamacallit with a beard, so I must be worried.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149695#Comment_1496952009-04-27T10:34:09-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Osmosishttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=866
@ Old Moon Face
That website is just screaming. It's like the Year Zero ARG from a couple of years ago.
That website is just screaming. It's like the Year Zero ARG from a couple of years ago.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149706#Comment_1497062009-04-27T11:11:42-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00mrareyhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6127
@doclinvingston
When 9/11 happened I was dating a girl who was Lebanese. Her family had been here since WWII and the youngest kids didn't even speak the mother tongue. A week after the attacks ...
When 9/11 happened I was dating a girl who was Lebanese. Her family had been here since WWII and the youngest kids didn't even speak the mother tongue. A week after the attacks some hillbillies dumped a port-o-potty on the family lawn and left a note saying "FUCK YOU RAGHEADS". Being hillbillies, with long criminal records and no thought to wearing gloves, they were caught about 2 days later and charged with hate crimes.

All it takes for Americans to go down to the stupid monkey racist level is a clear enemy. Considering the just vicious racism the minutemen and teabaggers have shown, blaming "the mexicans" for this seems almost like a logical stop for them.

But I hope you're right.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149719#Comment_1497192009-04-27T12:01:10-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Ian_Mhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5571
@ doclivingston: 'Fuck' is entirely reasonable. I'm only three degrees away from a sick pig, and by flu standards that's not far at all. What that means is that I'm more likely than not to come into ...
"because no severe outbreak of swine flu in America happens that kills anyone but the very old, very young, and already very feeble, just like every flu."

You really need to do some research on influenza. Severe flu mainly kills the weak, but healthy adults die of it every year as well. In this outbreak the casualties are mainly young adults in the 25-45 years old bracket, a trait often seen in severe pandemic illnesses.

Am I smashing the panic button? No. Am I in denial? No.

Where do you live that you think 'it can't happen here'?]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149721#Comment_1497212009-04-27T12:17:04-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Verissimushttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3379
Well, all I know is that if this doesn´t kill me then something else will...
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149751#Comment_1497512009-04-27T13:50:29-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Ryan Chttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3942
Anyone else thinking of the "pig's a filthy animal" quotes from Pulp Fiction?
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149754#Comment_1497542009-04-27T13:55:25-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00rafagadevientohttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5969
@JCEFalconi Hola ! , saludos de otro Chilango!
Puff, hysteria is getting really high :P , the govs say that there are 120 confirmed deaths, and there are some rumors that the govs are covering how ...
Puff, hysteria is getting really high :P , the govs say that there are 120 confirmed deaths, and there are some rumors that the govs are covering how many people is really dying, to avoid the mass panic... the type of rumors " my friend has a friend that works in a hospital..." are starting to fly :P

The main rumor is that people is dying is more numbers that what we are told, also, that the medical staff is dying (which probably means that the medicines are quite noneffective) ... so... everyone here is getting really scared... i post a picture of myself wearing a protective mask in the picture thread... it was mostly a joke, well, my company is buying mask and filters for all the staff... and our work is mostly done with computers.

Im getting really scared :P]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149759#Comment_1497592009-04-27T14:11:11-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00icelandbobhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5250
@ rafagadeviento
Hang in there man. Get your mask and you can be our own spider jerusalem on the ground...
Hang in there man. Get your mask and you can be our own spider jerusalem on the ground...]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149764#Comment_1497642009-04-27T14:20:23-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00mrareyhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6127
WHO raises pandemic flu alert level to 4.
I love how arbitrary numbers and colors become pants-shittingly frightening when in the hands of governments and NGOs.
Might as run about screaming ...
WHO raises pandemic flu alert level to 4.

I love how arbitrary numbers and colors become pants-shittingly frightening when in the hands of governments and NGOs.

Might as run about screaming "LAVENDER ALERT! WE ARE AT CONDITION 7!"]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149771#Comment_1497712009-04-27T14:39:30-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Ian_Mhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5571
@ Icelandbob: I hope not. Spider developed a horrible life-threatening illness...
@ rafagadeviento: Try the BBC News. They're usually a bit behind the times, particularly regarding Northern and ...
@ rafagadeviento: Try the BBC News. They're usually a bit behind the times, particularly regarding Northern and Latin America. Usually 'behind the times' is bad, but in this case it means they have a little more time to filter out the rumours and false leads. And assume that your government is lying to you. They've been lying to us Norteamericanos about shark attacks for decades now, so...]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149815#Comment_1498152009-04-27T17:26:45-05:002009-04-27T17:37:48-05:00doclivingstonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2318
@Ian: at what point did I say it couldn't happen here? I'll start worrying when there's a reason to worry. Right now, there ain't, not for most Americans that didn't just get back from a stay south ...
Yeah, this is basically the thread made for alarmist bullshit to get flung back and forth, so whatever. And yes, the situation is awful in Mexico and for all those infected. But as it is, if you aren't already included in the preceding sentence, NO REASON TO GET SCARED. It's the fucking flu. Happens every year. Entire point of the comment about who will likely die from it, and why that's not reason enough to trigger racist backlash because it's no different than any other year. And, oh yeah, how weird about the demographic of who's already been killed in Mexico. Why don't we go ahead and compare that, though, to the demographic of infected who've already died in America...? Oh, wait, no, that number doesn't exist because it hasn't happened yet. 40 confirmed cases now, still no deaths. Of course there will be, but it's not going to be nearly as bad as we've seen in Mexico. And whatever it is, in all likelihood it will still show nothing statistically significant in difference than every tally the flu takes every year.

If shit gets worse, shit gets worse. Just don't act like it's already there and already worth freaking out about. Is all I'm saying. Unless you get off on living in fear (again, possibly the point of this thread...?). I hear asteroids can hit the planet and also, sometimes planes crash. I also get in my car daily and drive on the Interstate at speeds in excess of 70 mph, and hear that can be dangerous. Every year I skip getting a flu shot but know there's a chance I could get the flu. Every year. And I also know, every year, that people that get the flu could get terribly unlucky and end up getting killed by it. Every year. And yet, I don't worry about asteroids, I love traveling by plane, I speed every single day, I even get impatient when I'm in the fast line behind someone that isn't speeding (but probably technically driving "safer" than me), and I still won't be getting a flu shot this year, unless I see compelling reason to, which I haven't yet. Despite the fact I live in a big city with a big airport in a state with confirmed cases of swine flu.

Crazy how happy I am with this sort of existence.

@mrarey: obviously 9/11 and the flu aren't comparable as motivators for violence, but, maybe, just maybe, if shit hits the fan, yeah, I can see the backlash. But that's my point, I wager it never even comes close to that.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149823#Comment_1498232009-04-27T18:14:18-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00doclivingstonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2318
...that said? I'll make sure and let you all know when I'm infected with a particularly ironic strain of the flu and on my deathbed so we can all get in a good chuckle.
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149829#Comment_1498292009-04-27T18:44:17-05:002009-04-27T18:45:48-05:00rafagadevientohttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5969
Well, if there is a good signal that things are not really that bad, is traffic, i take me 2 hours to reach my home, as usual (#$%%&/$"%$%&$%&$% traffic), and people say that Mexico ...
@ian_M i take you counsel and i found a couple of nice and scary reports, he he he.Mexico suspected flu toll soars]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149831#Comment_1498312009-04-27T18:52:33-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00E0157H7http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4212
My math professor kicked anyone that she considered to be a risk out of class today, and the air was thick with the smell of antiseptic hand sanitizer. People in California are fucking crazy, and I'm ...
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149836#Comment_1498362009-04-27T20:11:35-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00mrareyhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6127
Overheard on local radio station, a doctor from Northwestern Hospital carefully explaining to an all but panicking woman that you cannot get swine flu from eating pork.
Stupid however, is fucking ...
Stupid however, is fucking terminal.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149837#Comment_1498372009-04-27T20:22:27-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00doclivingstonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2318
Big reason why I expect Mexico's large numbers (even potentially low-balling the true figures) aren't really much reason to assume the worst about swine flu as it spreads to other countries: Mexico's ...
Mexico's been handling this outbreak the way a more incompetent version of the Bush administration would.

Despite an annual budget of more than $5 billion, Mexico's health secretary said Monday that his agency hasn't had the resources to visit the families of the dead. That means doctors haven't begun treatment for the population most exposed to swine flu, and most apt to spread it. It also means medical sleuths don't know how the victims were infected — key to understanding how the epidemic began and how it can be contained.

It remained unclear where and how the epidemic began, how it has spread, who it has killed or how fast it is growing. And the government has yet to take some basic steps critical to containing any outbreak, such as quick treatment of people who had contact with the victims. In the town of Xonacatlan, just west of Mexico City, Antonia Cortes Borbolla told The Associated Press that nobody has given her medicine in the week since her husband succumbed to raging fever and weakened lungs that a lab has confirmed as swine flu. No health workers have inspected her home, asked how her husband might have contracted the illness or tested the neighbors' pigs, she said.

Not exactly the best way to handle an outbreak. I almost feel bad for Cordova.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149883#Comment_1498832009-04-28T02:02:28-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Rictushttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5272
Rictus is not afraid of swine flu.
His town will not become a hot zone full of bloated fly-blown corpses.
Rictus knows he is not that lucky.
His town will not become a hot zone full of bloated fly-blown corpses.

Rictus knows he is not that lucky.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149888#Comment_1498882009-04-28T02:30:57-05:002009-04-28T03:51:12-05:00Osmosishttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=866
Um ... this is a bit perturbing.
Swine Flu Container Explodes on Train.
Be more careful with your virus samples and potentially explosive materials, guy!
edited for ganked html
Swine Flu Container Explodes on Train.

Be more careful with your virus samples and potentially explosive materials, guy!

edited for ganked html]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149896#Comment_1498962009-04-28T03:37:14-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00bjacqueshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2157
Actually it was the fascist pretzels on that page that caught my eye. Promotion for the Berlin premiere of "The Producers"(!).
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149898#Comment_1498982009-04-28T03:55:53-05:002009-04-28T03:58:15-05:00Audley Strangehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4475
*Cough Cough Cough*

WASHINGTON – Two million dead. Hospitals overwhelmed. Schools closed. Swaths of empty seats at baseball stadiums and houses of worship. An economic recovery snuffed out. We're nowhere close to what government planners say would be a worst-case scenario: a global flu pandemic. But government leaders at all levels, and major employers, have spent nearly four years planning for one in series of exercises.Their reports, reviewed by The Associated Press, and interviews with participants paint a grim picture of what could happen if the swine flu gets severely out of control. A full-scale pandemic — if it ever comes — could be expected to claim the lives of about 2 percent of those infected, about 2 million Americans.

I like that 2 million dead Americans (forget you foriegn godless heathens) is just one sentence from empty sporting events. Not the Yankees! NOT THE YANKEES!

And this picture to go along with it.

The US media is treating a flu outbreak like an ARG for a Zombie movie.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149944#Comment_1499442009-04-28T08:32:24-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Oddculthttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=214
Man, Operation Baa Ram Ewe is hardly needed...
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149962#Comment_1499622009-04-28T10:12:39-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Spiraltwisthttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=426
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Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149968#Comment_1499682009-04-28T10:28:44-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00JCEFalconihttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=296
Hey there rafaga de viento.
it's weird knowing you're in the city where the flu is most prevalent, IN the age bracket that's most vulnerable. But nothing left to do but wait, or make some ...
it's weird knowing you're in the city where the flu is most prevalent, IN the age bracket that's most vulnerable. But nothing left to do but wait, or make some hilarious youtube videos using a pork-nose as a prop and a subway station as the setting.

EDIT: I have been beaten to death by cops.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=149997#Comment_1499972009-04-28T11:49:26-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00J. Thaddeushttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=286
Bruce Sterling has a good perspective: @Wired
AIDS is a real pandemic, this new flu is not.
@Wired

AIDS is a real pandemic, this new flu is not.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=150028#Comment_1500282009-04-28T13:26:56-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00E0157H7http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4212
@ J Thaddeus
Seriously. In the grand scale of pathogen danger, swine flu is piddly and will probably be short-lived. The Great Swine Flu Pants-Crapping really shows how soft the US is. If something ...
Seriously. In the grand scale of pathogen danger, swine flu is piddly and will probably be short-lived. The Great Swine Flu Pants-Crapping really shows how soft the US is. If something seriously bad ever comes our way, we're fucked.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=150038#Comment_1500382009-04-28T14:20:19-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Finaglehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5254
I'm not really feeling Sterling's point here. Yeah, AIDS is the new normal - after the loss of a good chunk of a generation and a major shift in sexual behavior, sure. A whole lot of people took it ...
This comes up all the time about Y2K. Remember that? People like to remind IT folks about Y2K all the time, smugly stating that it was a huge overblown bunch of hype because no planes fell out of the sky and the Internet didn't crash. That attitude really chaps my ass, because it took the hard work of a whole lot of people over a couple of years to make sure that shit did not happen. Me, I'm starting to think at least one air traffic control systems coder should have left in a couple of '00' errors just to show 'em.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=150042#Comment_1500422009-04-28T14:29:25-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Finaglehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5254
Oh, and in case you missed it, as predicted the immigration card is now in play:
Some advocates of tighter immigration rules are jumping on the swine flu public health emergency to call for the ...
immigration card is now in play:

Some advocates of tighter immigration rules are jumping on the swine flu public health emergency to call for the closing of the border with Mexico, including a ban on all air and ground traffic and importation of products.

"The Obama administration's failure to secure our borders against a possible pandemic is putting American lives at risk at a time when days and hours matter," said William Gheen, head of the Americans for Legal Immigration PAC, accusing the Obama administration of "treating Mexico like a 51st state, instead of separate nation."

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Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=150059#Comment_1500592009-04-28T15:46:14-05:002009-04-28T15:55:54-05:00rafagadevientohttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5969
@Stygmata
Naaahhh, they would no do that, they would not strangle themselves, we are one and probably the first nation that them "leech" for prime materials, and we buy a lot of their ...
Naaahhh, they would no do that, they would not strangle themselves, we are one and probably the first nation that them "leech" for prime materials, and we buy a lot of their products, if the USA close the borders, the economics in both nations would sink, the final blow for the Detroit car industry, since many of their cars are build in Mexico plants... obviously , they can build plants in other third world countries, but in this depression days ? another plant with who's money ?

Also, the main problem is in Mexico city, not in Tijuana or in the other border cities, but if the spread keeps going strong for maybe a month... puff. Today the govs are saying: "get ready for a looong state of emergency, this virus is not leaving our city quickly" anyone have an idea of how much time a spread like this last ? any Chinese aviary experience ?

And a last cherry: Today's rumor is that the Carroll Farms , a suspected "first infection" place, has close ties with the local government, and the first influenza cases were on December 08, and that all that was covered by govs officials that has money on the farms... the rumor is probably originated from the light-quick reaction of the govs of Perote Veracruz, the place were the porcine farms are located... when the farms were pointed as one of the possible sources, the govs went to the media to say that the Carrolls farms were not involved in any way on this... but there are reports, and the people of Perote were always complaining about the diseases provoked by the garbage of the farms... and obviously, there are a lot of rumors.

*edited since the first version was not really coherent, this is actually the 5th version, he!]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=150139#Comment_1501392009-04-28T21:21:30-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00mrareyhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6127
@Stygmata
I'm trying really hard not to be surprised.
Just curious, is there a "Americans' for Illegal Immigration" PAC? Cause I'd be down for a few dollars to those people.
I ...
I'm trying really hard not to be surprised.

Just curious, is there a "Americans' for Illegal Immigration" PAC? Cause I'd be down for a few dollars to those people.

I love how in just 100 days in office Obama has-crashed the economy-opened the borders-lost 2 wars-surrendered our sovereignty-given us all the death flu

I figure six months from now the US will just be large pyres and a few scattered libertarian enclaves shooting at each other.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=150145#Comment_1501452009-04-28T22:23:58-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00E0157H7http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4212
@ mrarey
And a wave of stinky Mesicans will be streaming over the border in a brown wave. We'll also be buying Solylent green with the Communist Euro, and it's all thanks to the godless, incompetent ...
And a wave of stinky Mesicans will be streaming over the border in a brown wave. We'll also be buying Solylent green with the Communist Euro, and it's all thanks to the godless, incompetent liberals. I can't wait. Moohoohaha.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=150157#Comment_1501572009-04-28T23:15:20-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Kosmopolithttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346
Mraray, I really, really hope I've misread the toen of yoru comments and you were being ironic.
But if you were being serious:
"I love how in just 100 days in office Obama has
-crashed ...
But if you were being serious:

"I love how in just 100 days in office Obama has-crashed the economy'

Because it was doing so well before.

"-opened the borders"

Yes, because there was no illegal immigration before January 2009.

"-lost 2 wars"

Yeah because pulling most US troops out of Iraq over the next year leaving behind a comparatively peaceful and stable country is a clear sign of defeat, as is sending additional troops to Afghanistan.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=150170#Comment_1501702009-04-29T00:20:16-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00sleepybretthttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5903
Can we get the swine flu out of this thread. Even if it is an indicator of impeding GMF, and I don't think it is, you people have flogged it to death.
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=150171#Comment_1501712009-04-29T00:24:09-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00E0157H7http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4212
@ sleepybrett
How about Florida's Jesus license plates?
How about Florida's Jesus license plates?]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=150180#Comment_1501802009-04-29T01:01:57-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Rictushttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5272
Baby Jesus licence plate would be better.
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=150181#Comment_1501812009-04-29T01:01:57-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00icelandbobhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5250
@Sleepybrett
Here´s the last word...
Here´s the last word...

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Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=150418#Comment_1504182009-04-29T19:01:28-05:002009-04-29T19:02:11-05:00poor_boyhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3170
@ E0157H7 - If they'd let me have one with a pentagram, then I'd be all for it. Not only would it promote religious tolerance, it would also look Really Fucking Cool.
Especially if the pentagram ...
Especially if the pentagram part could rotate. Then I could go from Wiccan (one point up) to Satanist (two points up) any time I felt like it.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=150422#Comment_1504222009-04-29T19:18:09-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00mister hexhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4411
I like Baby Jesus better than Grown-Up Jesus*.
* - Grown-Up Jesus knew more hookers on a first-name basis than Baby Jesus. Although 'Virgin Birth' sounds increasingly like a desperate teenage ...
* - Grown-Up Jesus knew more hookers on a first-name basis than Baby Jesus. Although 'Virgin Birth' sounds increasingly like a desperate teenage mother's cover-story. Nowadays, 'cover' as in 'cover of the Rolling Stone'. Which was written by Shel Silverstein. Yes, THAT Shel Silverstein. (Giving Tree, Where The Sidewalk Ends, all that crap.)

... is the thread back on track? Excellent, he said, EXACTLY like Mr. Burns.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=150436#Comment_1504362009-04-29T19:49:13-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00doclivingstonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2318
Not quite sure it belongs here, but I think this compilation is pretty indicative of how absolutely grim a certain segment of America feels about the future right now (that was a bit of ...
Anyway, fucking hilarious.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=150439#Comment_1504392009-04-29T20:03:27-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00poor_boyhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3170
If Barack Obama walked on water, the conservatives would say it's because he doesn't know how to swim. They're gonna bitch no matter what the man does. It's their job...nay, their destiny.
destiny.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=150446#Comment_1504462009-04-29T20:34:32-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00mister hexhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4411
@ lingeredshade - if only talking like Stan Lee could solve the problem. But if not that, what? WHAT?!?
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=150450#Comment_1504502009-04-29T20:47:17-05:002009-04-29T20:48:37-05:00poor_boyhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3170
Then...um...I'll have Obama give his wife to Mephisto and the past twenty years will have never happened.
And yes, the Marvel metaphors have gone toooo faaaar
And yes, the Marvel metaphors have gone toooo faaaar]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=150452#Comment_1504522009-04-29T20:55:28-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00lemmycautionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5290
@doclivingston
Not too far of a stretch. Generally the first thing that pops into my head when I watch Fox News is meathook. Also chainsaw, neutron bomb, weaponized whisky shits, battlebots, some ...
Not too far of a stretch. Generally the first thing that pops into my head when I watch Fox News is meathook. Also chainsaw, neutron bomb, weaponized whisky shits, battlebots, some sort of device that hucks pennies at heads with great accuracy and speed, sometimes just gun.

I really cannot wait until 500 years from now when Fox News begins blaming Obama for our loss in the Martian Spice War of 2440 and our faltering peace talks with Tatooine.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=150456#Comment_1504562009-04-29T21:07:09-05:002009-04-29T21:07:54-05:00doclivingstonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2318
I got super-excited because I was gonna jump from your Star Wars reference into a Dune reference about Obama becoming the Kwisatz Haderach and Fox News bitching about how he's finally revealed ...
Truly, Obama is become Death, Destroyer of Worlds.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=150487#Comment_1504872009-04-29T22:49:27-05:002009-04-29T22:50:29-05:00JP Valdecantoshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=603
Does anybody, by chance, remember "Wag the dog"?? With Dustin Hofmann, Bob DeNiro and Anne Heche? Come on, guys, it's a fucking curtain! A distraction. And me saying that doesn't means I'm ...
Here, an example: until two or three weeks ago, here in Argentina the news where talking anbout the dengue, a disease that comes from the bite of a mosquito. Suddenly, wham!!! national state of alert!! People, get rid of your junk!! We must declare war to the mosquito!! Oh, 200 cases confirmed!! Beware!! You know, just data and statistics that, oh funny, came from the National Institute of Statistics, the same fucking institution that says every month, that the unemployment rate dropped 15%, and counting! But, oddly enough, one of four young men in this country is stil unemployed or has been fired, recently!! Where was I? Oh, right, dengue. One week, we're fighintg with the mosquito, and all of the sudden, we're fighting against HAM!! Ham, bacon, pork chops, et-fucking-cetera!!!! One week, the government is launching preventive campaigns, `putting people on the street, working, and waving hads, saying "be careful, lady neighbor, with them mosquitos!!" and the news on the tv talk nothing else but dengue; then, SHAZAM!!! swine flu, panic, red alert, defcon five... and like that, *poofff*, the dengue is gone! Like magic. Correct if I'm wrong, but the shit smells like shit anywhere in the wold, right?]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=150489#Comment_1504892009-04-29T22:53:01-05:002009-04-29T22:53:56-05:00poor_boyhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3170
Mr. Stargazer - take deep breaths.
it's ok, man. We all get a little too worked up sometimes.
it's ok, man. We all get a little too worked up sometimes.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=150493#Comment_1504932009-04-29T23:29:31-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00E0157H7http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4212
@lingerredshade - I want a Discordian apple, personally.
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=150498#Comment_1504982009-04-29T23:45:36-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00poor_boyhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3170
^ R2D2 OU812 - I see your philosophical reference and raise you one James Brown video.
Because sense don't make sense to me no mo'.
THIS IS A MAN'S WORLD
btw, i'm kinda drunk.
Because sense don't make sense to me no mo'.

btw, i'm kinda drunk.]]>
Grim Meathook Futurehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=5626&Focus=150572#Comment_1505722009-04-30T07:56:24-05:002015-03-31T15:49:34-05:00Ryan Chttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3942
I still want to write a song called "What's so wrong with the New World Order?" but I am not a musician.
I also want to know how Bush and Cheney are not getting more blame for the state ...
I also want to know how Bush and Cheney are not getting more blame for the state the world is in.]]>