Ridiculous. Frost mages are easily the best caster in the game. Shadow was strong for one reason, and one reason only. Silence. Silence allowed some ridiculous CC chains on other casters. Frost mages allowed ridiculous CC chains on melee. It was when you combined Shadow with a Frost mage you negated Shadow's principle weakness; Melee.

Against melee, Shadow is the weakest caster in the game.

Anyway, for the people thinking priest will no longer be viable, you are so wrong in my opinion, we are by far the best right now, these will probably put us in line with other casters.

I assume you mean Shadow. Maybe, but only if they allow us to cast SOMETHING with melee locking out Shadow school. If not, SPriests are not viable. Any priest will not be viable.

If a mage gets kicked he cant block
If a pala gets kicked he cant bubble

Why should spriests be special?

Shadow is way to strong right now and I hope these nerfs tone you down enough.

oohh i like how you're very effective at comparing oranges with apples.

Now, if we consider we don't have any stun, we do not have roots and blink, we do not have instant cast, any kind of escaping mechanism
Huge now and its a gigantic deal against melee.
how much u want to fake cast to get a defensive cd to be used while beeing tunneld by melees (and with boomkins there's no clas whos better at beeing tunneld then us)?

For me it pretty much ends the story here.
Nerfing phantasm and front damage from DP was almost necessary, but dispersion...c'mon.

You shouldn't be getting locked if you think you're going to be needing it any time soon anyway.- probably to fall into place with divine shield/ice block.

Easy for you to say when your mana reg and resource gain is all tied to castings, and being the weakest caster vs melee. When melee constantly ride shadow like they do, sure you can fakecast them 75-90% of the time, they only need to get you once and it can be game over. It's even harder to fake ranged, mages have glyph of counterspell ( don't know if they accually use it but its still an option) which makes them pretty hard to juke.

The logic is pretty hilarious here. Putting dispersion on lockout with shadow spells to make hard casts more dangerous. You would think that they are going to buff instant cast spells. Nope, change mind spike glyph.

What is this I don't even...

Originally Posted by Validity

If rogues become shit, all they can become is a different type of shit.

There is so many of you complaining that these nerfs weren't warranted and that we will be useless after this, yet we are currently by far the best caster in PvP. Whatever comp you are running with a caster, replace your caster with a shadow priest and it's going to be better.
Anyway, here's is my thoughts behind these nerfs.

Dispersion can't be used while locked, as long as you can still use this while blanketed, it will be fine. You shouldn't be getting locked if you think you're going to be needing it any time soon anyway.- probably to fall into place with divine shield/ice block.
Mind spike glyph nerf is pretty strange, but there are plenty of other amazing glyphs, inner fire is so good vs cleaves.
Fade was stupid. Let's face it, a 30sec CD 3sec duration untargetable from range was so overpowered, any class would love to have this, it's just way too strong.
The DP nerf is the one that is annoying, mainly because of how it can be dispelled by 3 healers and won't be anywhere near as good next patch, but when it crit it was over the top damage.

Anyway, for the people thinking priest will no longer be viable, you are so wrong in my opinion, we are by far the best right now, these will probably put us in line with other casters.

This clearly shows that mages are by far the best and most popular class at high ratings right now.
Incoming nerfs to shadow priests will lower shadowpriests on that list and make mages and locks the best casters by far.

This clearly shows that mages are by far the best and most popular class at high ratings right now.
Incoming nerfs to shadow priests will lower shadowpriests on that list and make mages and locks the best casters by far.

I love people who link to that site to draw conclusions on PvP balance. It just shows how clueless you are about PvP.

This clearly shows that mages are by far the best and most popular class at high ratings right now.
Incoming nerfs to shadow priests will lower shadowpriests on that list and make mages and locks the best casters by far.

That site says nothing about gladiator distribution. 2.2k is a bit uninterresting number, because anyone playing at a high level of PvP will be able to obtain tier 2. Gladiator distribution is much more interresting, because it will to a much higher degree eliminate the 'weaker' specs.

By the way, if you only look at 3v3 distribtution, you will notice that shadow priests are the highest representated caster spec, and that priest representation is higher than mage representation, and a lot higher than warlock representation.

Only took 3 years right? Still nowhere close. Fact is they don't think when they nerf shamans, particularly resto since we get nearly zero compensation for it. Totem nerf biggest one in MoP, hex glyph, wind shear, grounding and healing surge in Cata and neither of these abilities were nearly powerful enough on the dps specs with maybe the exception of hex as enh.

Nerf a global class ability for the sake of one OP spec? Sure, fuck the rest that are already underrepresented greatly and make them even worse.

Easy for you to say when your mana reg and resource gain is all tied to castings, and being the weakest caster vs melee. When melee constantly ride shadow like they do, sure you can fakecast them 75-90% of the time, they only need to get you once and it can be game over. It's even harder to fake ranged, mages have glyph of counterspell ( don't know if they accually use it but its still an option) which makes them pretty hard to juke.

GG 6 sec no dispersion - you're fucked.

shamans say hi we must cast lightning bolts to regen mana our longest cast spell that hits for 11 k and try not get kicked while casting lbs and get locked from healing . we have worst defence as casters i would trade as ELEMENTAL all priest talents