Summary: Pro-2A. Not just a little bit Pro-2A, not ambiguously Pro-2A. 'Any attempt to control the ownership of firearms and ammunition will be seen as an act of treason and insurrection against the American People, as such actions would constitute a willful disregard of the oath of office.' kind of Pro-2A.

Wow, if Anonymous is on our side, something big might happen. They have some serious power on the Internet and even in the real world. Some of their accomplishments are almost frightening.

RX-178

January 15, 2013, 09:49 AM

And other accomplishments leave no 'almost' about it!

I would say that if you agree with this video, pass it along as much as you can (social networking, email mailing lists, other message boards), because that is how Anonymous functions. They have no leader, they have no command structure, they have no clear agenda except for what they put on the internet in videos like these.

Anonymous is literally anonymous, they can be anyone, anywhere. The more people see this video, agree with this video, and show it to others, the more strength they have.

TNBilly

January 15, 2013, 11:47 AM

Wow, if Anonymous is on our side, something big might happen. They have some serious power on the Internet and even in the real world. Some of their accomplishments are almost frightening.
Thought the same, I'd like to say the more the merrier but I'm a bit of glossy eyed sceptic as to the true identity of the source and if it really is true underlying motive.

Trent

January 15, 2013, 12:03 PM

This has been thoroughly vetted via news releases from their normal news feeds.

The video is legit.

freyasman

January 15, 2013, 12:22 PM

I frigging love these folks....:D

plunge

January 15, 2013, 12:56 PM

cool

beatledog7

January 15, 2013, 01:00 PM

Now, the question: who has the backbone to make good on any of that?

tyeo098

January 15, 2013, 01:34 PM

Now, the question: who has the backbone to make good on any of that?
You've got a rifle, don't you?

Skribs

January 15, 2013, 01:35 PM

Actually tyeo I don't. Only shotguns and pistols.

Sam1911

January 15, 2013, 01:40 PM

Hmmm...let us stop just short of expressly advocating armed insurrection, please. It isn't nice.

allaroundhunter

January 15, 2013, 01:45 PM

Now, the question: who has the backbone to make good on any of that?You've got a rifle, don't you?Hmmm...let us stop just short of expressly advocating armed insurrection, please. It isn't nice.

Let's rephrase. You have a pen and paper, don't you?

tyeo098

January 15, 2013, 01:45 PM

It was more of just a quip Sam, my apologies :)

Recon Ron

January 15, 2013, 01:45 PM

Anon is not that powerful, most of these guys only know how to DDOS hack through a program pre created for them. Most are living in their mothers basements looking at child porn.

The rest are children who think they are cool and apart of something because real social means are not an outlet. I am not scared one bit. Nor impressed.

tyeo098

January 15, 2013, 01:48 PM

Anon is not that powerful, most of these guys only know how to DDOS hack through a program pre created for them. Most are living in their mothers basements looking at child porn.

The rest are children who think they are cool and apart of something because real social means are not an outlet. I am not scared one bit. Nor impressed.
You are sadly mistaken.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Chanology

That is only one specific event. Members of anon were also involved in Libya and Egypt, assisting the rebels in revolting their own government, they were able to get a private network up for the rebels to coordinate through the internet. The government shut the internet down, they were able to get it back up.

Recon Ron

January 15, 2013, 01:51 PM

^^^

Project Chanology began its campaign by organizing and delivering a series of denial-of-service attacks against Scientology websites and flooding Scientology centers with prank calls and black faxes.[2] The group was successful in taking down local and global Scientology websites intermittently from January 18, 2008 until at least January 25, 2008.[11][14][29] Anonymous had early success rendering major Scientology websites inaccessible and leaking documents allegedly stolen from Scientology computers. This resulted in a large amount of coverage on social bookmarking websites

AKA DDOS which I stated.... which is easy to do.... a 3rd grader can do that cheesy pile of steam.

Also "alleged" files.... aka Said, without proof, to have taken place or to have a specified illegal or undesirable quality.

Google: Low Orbit Ion Canon... its a DDOS program utilized by 4chan

This image pretty much shows what 4chan has become:

http://static.fjcdn.com/large/pictures/bf/0d/bf0df8_243761.jpg

Sam1911

January 15, 2013, 01:55 PM

Ok folks, this isn't a debate about Anonymous or Scientology. Sheesh. So they're upset, too. Great. More folks on our side. The more the merrier!

Love em? Hate em? Doesn't matter. They want to be on our side, and that's good.

I think we can all agree to be eternally grateful that at least they aren't Alex Jones!

tyeo098

January 15, 2013, 01:55 PM

Correct, BEGAN.

It ended with hundreds of protests of thousands of people all over the world.

Name ONE other force able to accomplish such a feat.

They are on our side. They are one of the greatest allies to have. Can you imagine if they sided with the antis? We'd be royally screwed.

mrvco

January 15, 2013, 02:02 PM

What's with the Alex Jones mention?

Regardless, this is soooo Daemon (http://thedaemon.com/daemonsynopsis.html) (and that is a good thing).

TennJed

January 15, 2013, 02:05 PM

If that is a legit Anonymous video, then anyone in public office that is anti gun and that has any skeletons in their closets should take note.

If you have anything to hide then you do not want these people on your bad side

allaroundhunter

January 15, 2013, 02:09 PM

If that is a legit Anonymous video, then anyone in public office that is anti gun and that has any skeletons in their closets should take note.

If you have anything to hide then you do not want these people on your bad side

It is legit.....and every single NY senator that didn't vote no should really be scared right now.

hak

January 15, 2013, 02:12 PM

most mainstream folks are surprised how many people in the tech field are pro RKBA...

only a few may know how to probe and write the exploits that are leveraged in these attacks, but that doesn't make their like minded legions any less important when it comes to being "more taxpayers that vote" and voicing their opinions (ie: when they're not in anonymous garb/character at the polls and in any form online).

It is also important because on many of the social (media) sites and services (9gag, 4chan, imgur, reddit, slashdot, pir.cove) there appears to be a vocal majority that leans left on social issues... but having a libertarian traits among some in these settings would be useful to us in having our RKBA pro 2nd ammendment views be shared and espoused by someone "in their demographic". People relate to those like themselves.

I know, and you know, that it should be enough to say "what part of 'shall not be infringed' don't you get?" but it's not, and having our common view on RKBA voiced from as many demographics as possible is going to be important in the times ahead.

Sam1911

January 15, 2013, 02:14 PM

What's with the Alex Jones mention?Just trying to add some levity by pointing out the absurd.

We do have Alex Jones on our side and sorely wish we could trade him to the opposition! :rolleyes:

Midnight Oil

January 15, 2013, 02:24 PM

Love em? Hate em? Doesn't matter. They want to be on our side, and that's good.

Currently with the mass media smear campaign going on, in combination with the shameless behavior of the anti 2nd amendment politicians; i'd say we need all the help we can get.

bergmen

January 15, 2013, 02:56 PM

What's with the Alex Jones mention?

A person we wish his parents kept the stork and sent the baby back.

Dan

freyasman

January 15, 2013, 03:26 PM

I love these folks; they called out Los Zetas, they helped the Libyan and Egyptian rebels, and they spanked the Westboro Baptist Church. When you need allies, you could do a lot worse than a bunch of highly motivated, completely unintimidated, pissed off, young people who ain't afraid to give the Man the finger.....

HorseSoldier

January 15, 2013, 03:39 PM

This is quite an interesting turn of events.

Solo

January 15, 2013, 03:49 PM

The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous.

j.kramer

January 15, 2013, 03:50 PM

Wow, if Anonymous is on our side, something big might happen. They have some serious power on the Internet and even in the real world. Some of their accomplishments are almost frightening.

we really dont have that much power

InkEd

January 15, 2013, 04:27 PM

Anonymous is made up of a WIDE range of hackers and people from various walks of life. It's not just kids at home playing on a MacBook. The tighter the government squeezes the citizens, the harder it becomes to constantly maintain that firm grip. Even if it is nothing more than anti-propaganda videos like the one in the link, it helps to spread the message that the people cannot trust others to do what is best for them.

Seventhsword

January 15, 2013, 04:36 PM

I think the video is spot on, but my lib friends say it's a fake and doesn't contain the correct markers. Whatever that means.

Politics makes for strange bedfellows. Or words to that effect. We've all heard this expression and we need to be careful of whom we choose as bedfellows.

That cute puppy you choose to let sleep on your bed might give you a case of fleas. So choose whom you wish to join you on your RKBA team with care.

Red

BP44

January 15, 2013, 05:11 PM

Very interesting.............:)

lobo9er

January 15, 2013, 05:17 PM

This is the 1st I have heard of these guys. These guys are legit?

Grassman

January 15, 2013, 05:19 PM

This is the 1st I have heard of these guys. These guys are legit?
Me too. New to me.

Jorg Nysgerrig

January 15, 2013, 05:28 PM

This is the 1st I have heard of these guys. These guys are legit?
Me too. New to me.

Legit? That depends who you ask. Are they real? Yes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_(group)

itchy1

January 15, 2013, 05:30 PM

Whatever their stance may be on other things, they are 100% spot on in this video. The RKBA message gets more powerful when it is broadcast by more sources. My teenage sons seem to feel that ANON is legit and respected by younger generations. Hard to see a downside to this.

HorseSoldier

January 15, 2013, 05:31 PM

The tighter the government squeezes the citizens, the harder it becomes to constantly maintain that firm grip. Even if it is nothing more than anti-propaganda videos like the one in the link, it helps to spread the message that the people cannot trust others to do what is best for them.

You see these dictators on their pedestals, surrounded by the bayonets of their soldiers and the truncheons of their police. On all sides they are guarded by masses of armed men, cannons, aeroplanes, fortifications, and the like - they boast and vaunt themselves before the world, yet in their hearts there is unspoken fear. They are afraid of words and thoughts; words spoken abroad, thoughts stirring at home - all the more powerful because forbidden - terrify them. A little mouse of thought appears in the room, and even the mightiest potentates are thrown into panic. They make frantic efforts to bar our thoughts and words; they are afraid of the workings of the human mind. Cannons, airplanes, they can manufacture in large quantities; but how are they to quell the natural promptings of human nature, which after all these centuries of trial and progress has inherited a whole armoury of potent and indestructible knowledge?

Admittedly, he was talking about Hitler, Mussolini, etc., but substitute "unlawful legislation" for the "cannons, airplanes" in the last sentence and the shoe seems to fit pretty well our present elected leaders . . .

wannabeagunsmith

January 15, 2013, 05:32 PM

Good for us, those guys are amazing.

Trent

January 15, 2013, 05:34 PM

Actually, it's not possible to get a good read on it.

Anonymous is REAL hard to read on issues, because it's composed of a bunch of people. Generally speaking, if the government tramples people, they're against that.

They post up things which are on both sides; an example from AnonNews:

Amazing? Talented and if they have real pull I hope they are pro-gun. I don't really get their message when they hacked fox news though. Just watched that one on youtube.

Grassman

January 15, 2013, 05:42 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_%28group%29

krupparms

January 15, 2013, 05:54 PM

This was the second time that I have seen a news article &video that they put out. As they are pro civil rights including them all! I am glad they are speaking out! It's nice to have allies! :)

berettaprofessor

January 15, 2013, 06:04 PM

The one consistent thing with Anonymous is that they are diehard libertarians.

Trent

January 15, 2013, 06:11 PM

The one consistent thing with Anonymous is that they are diehard libertarians.

^^ This.

:)

Last Knight

January 15, 2013, 06:16 PM

Anonymous isn't really a group, you guys. >_< It's... an identity, more or less. It's a name you give when you want a little more prestige or power than your own. They're script kiddies and super hackers, 31337 and n00bs both. Anonymous being on your side - or against you - doesn't necessarily mean anything, because Anonymous isn't anything.

Lemme put it this way; just because Anonymous is on your side, doesn't mean Anonymous isn't against you.

Although one thing the posters above said is true, they do tend to err libertarian. Anonymous is the spirit of the internet.

goon

January 15, 2013, 06:22 PM

I am glad to have more people who are obviously on the side of protecting the Constitutional rights of the American people, and who bring a useful skillset to the situation.

FWIW, many of the techie type people I have known have had their quirks, but they have been solid people and generally highly intelligent with sharp, analytical minds.
It doesn't surprise me that they can read the Bill of Rights and comprehend it, then look at what is going on now and feel the same apprehensions that we do.

EBK

January 15, 2013, 06:24 PM

Let's rephrase. You have a pen and paper, don't you?
A lot of good pen and paper is doing for our side........

EBK

January 15, 2013, 06:27 PM

The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous.
Great movie!

j.kramer

January 15, 2013, 06:32 PM

Amazing? Talented and if they have real pull I hope they are pro-gun. I don't really get their message when they hacked fox news though. Just watched that one on youtube.

any and all lies are fair game no matter who is saying them

6.5x55swedish

January 15, 2013, 06:36 PM

I think the Video is too amateurish to be Anon. You can see that it was done with a cutout in a dark room in front of a TV screen. Anon typically has full digital graphics. Also did anybody watch the poster's other video? That dude isn't smart enough to even know what Anon is and they would have chosen a better method of spreading the video than hacking some hicks youtube account. The other key marker that is missing is the consequence. Anon would have spelled out exactly what they would have done if their terms are violated. For example when Westboro Baptist Church put out the memo that they were going to come to Newtown and protest funerals Anon stated that they would hack the churches site, put member information on the internet and render the site inoperable... which is exactly what they did.

Sorry guys, but this isn't ligit.

Old Fuff

January 15, 2013, 06:38 PM

A lot of good pen and paper is doing for our side........

A lot more then you may think. In congress the main concern, regardless of which party one belongs to, is to get reelected. Therefore all of them read their mail. On both sides you have hard-core members who won't change their minds, but in the middle you have fence sitters, and those are the ones we want to reach. No one will really know until votes are taken.

And last but not least - do not believe what you read, see or hear in the mass media. They will do anything and say anything to make us believe our cause is lost. It is still early in the game.

Clinton

January 15, 2013, 06:39 PM

Anonymous is very capable of worming its way to any system to gather documents, files or information to help their cause. May be good for proving an impeachment....

Clinton

Ryanxia

January 15, 2013, 07:30 PM

Great video. Spells it out pretty well and from a powerful group.

EBK

January 15, 2013, 08:07 PM

A lot more then you may think. In congress the main concern, regardless of which party one belongs to, is to get reelected. Therefore all of them read their mail. On both sides you have hard-core members who won't change their minds, but in the middle you have fence sitters, and those are the ones we want to reach. No one will really know until votes are taken.

And last but not least - do not believe what you read, see or hear in the mass media. They will do anything and say anything to make us believe our cause is lost. It is still early in the game.
Tell that to the people of New York I am sure many of them wrote to their reps as well.

XD 45acp

January 15, 2013, 08:17 PM

You guys watch getting tangled up with Anon... They have openly last year, declared war on the US Gov't. Getting tangled up with them could land you in a catagory of an Enemy against the state. Something is up with them,... can't lay my finger on it,... just be careful, it don't smell right after hearing messages they had in the past.

In the event of a nearly openly unconstitutional government? We're not there yet, but if/when it gets there, the shoe certainly fits.

Old Fuff

January 15, 2013, 08:48 PM

Tell that to the people of New York I am sure many of them wrote to their reps as well.

I'm sure they did, but the ultimate answer won't really be known until they count the votes in rural out-state New York in 2014, where it is possible some legislators just might be unseated.

The gun control movement is mostly located in parts of New England and south along the Atlantic Coast on the east, and along the Pacific Cost on the west. Add to that some industrial states where legislatures are dominated by one or several large urban cities. Because of the kind of population and density relative to urban vs. rural, states like New York are almost impossible for our side to win.

Gun rights proponents largely are in the majority in the rest of the states, but are largely ignored by the news(?) media. Ignorance is not always bliss.

In 1994 The (Bill) Clinton Administration pulled this same stunt when they passed the first AWB. Come the election later that year Ol' Bill woke up and discovered that his party didn't control the Senate and House anymore and their whole agenda was in limbo. These Leftists are like small children - they all have short memory spans...

OilyPablo

January 15, 2013, 08:54 PM

WILL people vote correctly in 2014 is the question.

Old Fuff

January 15, 2013, 09:14 PM

WILL people vote correctly in 2014 is the question.

That largely depends on us, and what the situation is during the late summer and early fall.

But those legislators in states that have meaningful gun rights advocates must be thinking about 4 million, 300,000 background checks made in a 4 week period... :uhoh:

We are much stronger today then we were in 1994, and getting stronger.

gunsandreligion

January 15, 2013, 09:22 PM

A lot of good pen and paper is doing for our side........
Much more than creating the public opinion that gun owners are a bunch of crazies by using a rifle.

6.5x55swedish

January 15, 2013, 09:25 PM

Something is up with them,... can't lay my finger on it..

Something like they are too good at what they do to not be a foreign Government.;)

gunsandreligion

January 15, 2013, 09:31 PM

You guys watch getting tangled up with Anon... They have openly last year, declared war on the US Gov't. Getting tangled up with them could land you in a catagory of an Enemy against the state. Something is up with them,... can't lay my finger on it,... just be careful, it don't smell right after hearing messages they had in the past.their not a group, its more of a concept or spirit. Yes there are many things done by anon that are extremely disagreeable, however, as the nature of anon, you can "join" when you agree and drop off later. Of course, if you dislike the idea, I can see why it could be bad to align with them.at least thats how I understand it.

RX-178

January 15, 2013, 09:35 PM

Just remember that if you agree with the video, share it. It's a vital part of how this kind of group operates.

It costs less than donating to the NRA (although I would personally suggest that you do both!)

Trent

January 15, 2013, 09:43 PM

The beautiful thing about Anonymous is it allows someone to convey an idea (a seed of freedom, if you would), without that nasty little stigma that comes with having the words come out of your mouth.

None of us in the gun rights movement are looking for fame or infamy. A lot of us have a lot to lose if we're rounded up for our views (and the movement as a whole would suffer accordingly).

Technology - if applied properly - allows one to make a statement, to spread the seed of an idea, with anonymity. It allows the IDEA to spread on it's own merit without the ability for the opposition to tear apart an individual (we're all flawed creatures). It presents no target for rebuttal.

It's elusive, that idea. It's the message that is important. Not the messenger.

The Government is in control of the information, the biographics, that make up each one of us. They have methods of attacking the individual. Speak out? Oops, someone stole your identity, ruined credit score. Get arrested. Disappear. Or worse.

They have no method of attacking a vague, amorphous collective.

Appreciate it for what it is. It's everyone, and no-one.

There's no special signet ring. No code phrase. Anyone could be a member of the organization. Perhaps working alone, in a cell of one. Those can never truly be penetrated.

This faceless enemy is the thing that tyrants and despots fear.

gunsandreligion

January 15, 2013, 09:46 PM

Sorry guys, but this isn't ligit.how can it not be? Do you know who made it?

Solo

January 15, 2013, 10:03 PM

Anyone can be Anonymous. How closely they are affiliated with the movement, though, is an open question.

gunsandreligion

January 15, 2013, 10:05 PM

Anyone is AnonymousExactly

12gaugeTim

January 15, 2013, 11:06 PM

Confirming this as legitimate or not is tricky.. There is technically no structure to Anon or AnonOps, so there isn't some master YouTube channel to which it would have to be uploaded to be considered legitimate. However, because someone put on a mask and voiced over MS Sam in a video does not mean the full force of Anon is on our side, granted the right wing stance taken by the maker of the video is highly characteristic of the borderline anarchist ideologies that Anon tends to represent. Even still, while Anon may be in full support of the Second Amendment, they may not necessarily consider it a top priority, and they have historically been fairly selective with their operations.
Unless someone can confirm that Anonymous has discussed the issue, exclusively in the Anon IRC, and decidedly taken a pro-gun stance and selected it as a cause they intend to support. Only information from the IRC can be considered reliable.
At the very least they could vastly improve the Internet's opinion on gun control. The Internet is the 21st century's zeitgeist, and is vastly liberal. 4chan (/k/ excluded), reddit, tumblr, imgur, and others tend to have a pro gun control stance, but at the same time, a general admiration for anonymous is shared. If the video circulates, it could carry real weight, regardless of its legitimacy.

barnbwt

January 15, 2013, 11:56 PM

My teenage sons seem to feel that ANON is legit and respected by younger generations. Hard to see a downside to this.

Well, Hezbollah is legit and respected by many; doesn't mean it's helpful to be supported by them (even if their points happened to be valid). Controversial groups are just that; controversial. Controversy is what splits gun owners into Fudds vs. Mall Ninjas, and leaves us vulnerable.

Confirming this as legitimate or not is tricky...
The "authenticity" stuff is conceit. Anonymous is neither a group nor an individual, nor even a movement, really; more a class of actors (like what "anarchist" used to mean), so debating "authenticity" of their stuff is nonsensical. Anonymous is everyone and no one, "speaking for them" is impossible.

Therefore, if some dude says it's Anonymous, then it must be Anonymous :rolleyes:. Sorta like saying ZZ Top is the BEST BAND EVAR!. Saying so makes it so. Disagreement is equally baseless. At best, you could say the views in the video are consistent with their actions in the past.

The beautiful thing about Anonymous is it allows someone to convey an idea (a seed of freedom, if you would), without that nasty little stigma that comes with having the words come out of your mouth.
I gotta disagree. "Give me Freedom or Give me Death" only has meaning because we know Patrick Henry was in mortal danger as a rebelling patriot. Anonymity simply allows us to say things we probably wouldn't (or shouldn't) in person ;) (myself included, obviously). A good cover allows for effective insurgence, true; but putting skin on the line gives a movement legitimacy.

Tom Barnett

12gaugeTim

January 16, 2013, 12:25 AM

"Anonymous is everyone and no one" is incorrect and plays on hype. They have an IRC channel where they decide what causes to support. There is no leadership, but unless enough support in the channel for a cause is fostered it won't get any actual attention.

tyeo098

January 16, 2013, 12:59 AM

"Anonymous is everyone and no one" is incorrect and plays on hype. They have an IRC channel where they decide what causes to support. There is no leadership, but unless enough support in the channel for a cause is fostered it won't get any actual attention.
And given what Cuomo and the NYSGA just did... that IRC channel is on fire right now.

CharlieDeltaJuliet

January 16, 2013, 01:01 AM

Wow, I must be old and out of touch. I have no idea who or what Anonymous is....

InkEd

January 16, 2013, 01:32 AM

Everyone should also go to youtube amd watch the video

"anonymous: Barack obama you are fooling no one"

Trent

January 16, 2013, 10:53 AM

I gotta disagree. "Give me Freedom or Give me Death" only has meaning because we know Patrick Henry was in mortal danger as a rebelling patriot. Anonymity simply allows us to say things we probably wouldn't (or shouldn't) in person ;) (myself included, obviously). A good cover allows for effective insurgence, true; but putting skin on the line gives a movement legitimacy.

Tom Barnett

Right, but two years earlier, revolutionaries dressed up as Indians during the Boston Tea Party in 1773, to hide their true identities. Anonymity hard at work. :)

The Tea Party caused Britain to respond by sending in Gage to terminate self-government of Massachusetts.

By the time John Patrick Henry made his speech in the open in March of 1775, Gage was already in country, self government in Massachusetts had been terminated by him.

So at the time Patrick Henry gave his speech, Britain had already seized one state and made their intentions very clear; if the unrest continued they would terminate all self government. They also decided to seize arms and military supplies. Which turned out to be the final straw.

6.5x55swedish

January 16, 2013, 07:03 PM

Wow, I must be old and out of touch. I have no idea who or what Anonymous is....

Anonymous is a global Hacktivist group.... They are activists who get their point across by hacking computer systems... They have hacked both the CIA and FBI's computer systems as well as a bunch of other stuff... Generally their work is highly sophisticated and nobody has been able to track their activity down to anybody.

They actually made Time Mags top 100 most influential people list, but it is thought that they hacked Time's computers and put them selves on the list and Time is too embarrassed to admit it.

Trent

January 16, 2013, 09:37 PM

I can't wait to see what they do with that new New York State assault rifle database. :)

Better hope those idiot programmers remember to put in anti-SQL injection and check all their input buffers to protect against overflows.

Otherwise all those registered rifles just might get "reassigned" to one certain "Cuomo, Andrew M.", who would then find himself on the uncomfortable side of the "10 gun limit" - by the tune of 999,990 or so.

Deus Machina

January 16, 2013, 10:51 PM

Anonymous is amazingly effective when they point themselves at something.

The only real problem is that, with a lack of leadership, anyone can claim to be acting for Anonymous, and it's up to them to police that.

Some of them are, indeed, people living in their parents' basements. Many more are students. No small number are programmers, very competent hackers and, I'm sure, in-men. It doesn't mean that they're less for the basement dwellers and students. These are just the guys they use to DDOS the Scientologist machines into silence, or go and pass out fliers and hold pickets. Or just keep an ear on the populous sites that Anonymous speaks most freely in.

As a whole, they're fairly adamant about promoting freedom of all sorts and rooting out corruption. "Those with nothing to hide have nothing to fear" has held up surprisingly well so far, and that's a very rare thing. I personally expect the 'group' to be short-lived as far as an effective force goes.

I agree with Trent here. A couple intent members could very well get into and rearrange a government database. New York could find itself with databases full of pictures of butts or something. They have thus far avoided going quite that far because they don't particularly like to get quite that far on the FBI's bad side.

To be completely honest, I would very much expect one of them to poke into one and start releasing lists of what big-wigs have what guns, that Joe Average can't own.

12gaugeTim

January 17, 2013, 11:29 PM

Releasing information is one of the things Anon does hilariously best. They once hacked several popular pornographic websites and got the emails of everyone with an account, filtered them for .gov's, and released a list of government employees with porn site accounts. I'm sure they could figure something like that out for guns.

jerkface11

January 18, 2013, 11:20 AM

I see a teleprompter hacking in a certain mans future.

TNBilly

January 18, 2013, 01:37 PM

I'm sure they did, but the ultimate answer won't really be known until they count the votes in rural out-state New York in 2014, where it is possible some legislators just might be unseated.

The gun control movement is mostly located in parts of New England and south along the Atlantic Coast on the east, and along the Pacific Cost on the west. Add to that some industrial states where legislatures are dominated by one or several large urban cities. Because of the kind of population and density relative to urban vs. rural, states like New York are almost impossible for our side to win.

Gun rights proponents largely are in the majority in the rest of the states, but are largely ignored by the news(?) media. Ignorance is not always bliss.

In 1994 The (Bill) Clinton Administration pulled this same stunt when they passed the first AWB. Come the election later that year Ol' Bill woke up and discovered that his party didn't control the Senate and House anymore and their whole agenda was in limbo. These Leftists are like small children - they all have short memory spans...
yep.. the Dems of that time were so intimidated they just put a little thing called the Lautenburg amendment on IIRC and appropriations bill in the dead of night. The repub were too gutless then as well to reject it and pass only a clean bill.

rdhood

January 18, 2013, 04:18 PM

Anonymous knows that governments abuse their citizens. That is one of the reason for their existence. In a sense, they are doing covertly what the ACLU does for 9 out of the 10 amendments. Let's just hope that they start doing things... like exposing NRA endorsed candidates who are waiting for Sandy Hook-like episodes to flip flop.

ErikO

January 18, 2013, 05:11 PM

Kicking out the Jams.

Feel the love, just put it to the FB.

David White

January 18, 2013, 06:15 PM

you are sadly mistaken.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/project_chanology

that is only one specific event. Members of anon were also involved in libya and egypt, assisting the rebels in revolting their own government, they were able to get a private network up for the rebels to coordinate through the internet. The government shut the internet down, they were able to get it back up.

They hacked and put their message directly on DOD servers... Read the article and see how more advanced it is over the link that started this thread.

JRH6856

January 26, 2013, 12:00 PM

Great Trailer! When does the movie come out?

gym

January 26, 2013, 12:23 PM

Very well stated argument pro gun, we should send it to everyone in Congress, I just started doing that with Fienstein and Biden. They need a reality check, send this clip to all the folke in your address book, it will get around fast