335/N54 fanboys get panties in a twist over a bolt on DCT E92 M3 pulling a JB4 tuned bolt on 335i

335/N54 fanboys get panties in a twist over a bolt on DCT E92 M3 pulling a JB4 tuned bolt on 335i

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335/N54 fanboys get panties in a twist over a bolt on DCT E92 M3 pulling a JB4 tuned bolt on 335i

Oh yes, here we go the millionth time, the ever popular 335 versus M3 discussion. A user posted the video below of a bolt on DCT E92 M3 pulling a JB4 tuned 335i in the forums and the N54 fanboys went for the pitchforks and torches. For whatever reason 335 owners in particular seem to really want to attack the E92 M3 perhaps in justification of their own purchase. There is the typical "oh I didn't get an M3 because a tuned 335 is faster" nonsense that N54 fanboys tend to comfort themselves with in the never ending M3 versus 335 debate.

Even though the 335 in this video may have more power and torque in tuned form which the fanboys love to point out the other side of the coin is that the M3's redline and transmission are a huge advantage. Gearing is an area the M3 simply has an advantage over the 335 in and the transmission makes a big difference as one can see the shift speed in lower gears is really what gives the M3 the gains it sees in the race early on.

Up top, the tuned 335's horsepower advantage comes into play as the cars spend more time in gear negating the gear change advantage provided by the DCT allowing the 335 to inch up and close the gap.

This video is a good real world example as without race gas or meth a 335 will struggle against a tuned M3 especially one with DCT. Of course 335 owners will point out they can upgrade their turbos. Then M3 owners will say they can supercharge. Then the debate escalates and escalate and there are dozens of pages to read of M3 and 335 owners essentially throwing feces at each other. BMW fans, just enjoy 335 versus M3 round 400,000 in the video below.

When I hear stock block and head, people are usually referring to the parts inside also. As I was saying earlier about the s2000, the 700whp has been made on stock piston, rods, bearings, etc. If you don't think that is built stronger out the factory than the s65 than you are nuts. Keep in mind its a 2.0L 4cyl. Never seen an s65 do that, but there has been a particular bmw motor that has. Here's a hint. Starts with an N and ends with a 4.

Here's another good hint - starts with an S and ends with a 54. Look how long it took - that's the thing; we haven't seen what it's even capable of yet... The N54 of course will have a head start, it's turbo from the factory. Trick the ECU into adding more boost - viola. This isn't so simple on an S54 or an S65.

The S65 is certainly superior, it is just a matter of time. You are looking at motors that have BSFCs rivaling a Prius - against a regular (albeit pretty good) motor with a turbo. A PSI on an N54 is not the same as a PSI on an S65 or an S54 - once the boost is in, it's not even a show anymore. I don't understand where this N54 superiority comes in - it's a good engine, but it's nothing crazy. I don't get it.

The S65 has made 700 HP - and it makes torque across a very wide power-band, something the N54 is INCAPABLE of doing - why isn't that seen as important? It took many years to get to the 700 HP range on the S2000 motor - it's not easy. I am heavily doubting that this was stock internals - and if it was, I have a feeling it wouldn't last. A friend of mine with a boosted S2K has half this power (~400ish at the wheels) and is concerned with his internals. Where are these 700 HP S2ks on stock internals? I am honestly curious - I just find it hard to believe he doesn't know this already.

Here's another good hint - starts with an S and ends with a 54. Look how long it took - that's the thing; we haven't seen what it's even capable of yet... The N54 of course will have a head start, it's turbo from the factory. Trick the ECU into adding more boost - viola. This isn't so simple on an S54 or an S65.

The S65 is certainly superior, it is just a matter of time. You are looking at motors that have BSFCs rivaling a Prius - against a regular (albeit pretty good) motor with a turbo. A PSI on an N54 is not the same as a PSI on an S65 or an S54 - once the boost is in, it's not even a show anymore. I don't understand where this N54 superiority comes in - it's a good engine, but it's nothing crazy. I don't get it.

The S65 has made 700 HP - and it makes torque across a very wide power-band, something the N54 is INCAPABLE of doing - why isn't that seen as important? It took many years to get to the 700 HP range on the S2000 motor - it's not easy. I am heavily doubting that this was stock internals - and if it was, I have a feeling it wouldn't last. A friend of mine with a boosted S2K has half this power (~400ish at the wheels) and is concerned with his internals. Where are these 700 HP S2ks on stock internals? I am honestly curious - I just find it hard to believe he doesn't know this already.

I would honestly have an s2k already if it wasn't for it being a 2 seater. Your friend has nothing to worry about if his tune is good since people that are running 400hp on those motors say it is their mild tune.

ok, if you want it that plainly... is it sleeved/bored?.. 'built'? (though i've surmised as much from other posts), what other internal modifications on have you done to get to where you are?

and what modifications have been done to said OEM head... completely stock? any reason not to port just to see if there's anything AT ALL to gain? or did you get it looked at and it really was THAT good?

stock springs/retainers/etc. etc. too?

Asked me if it's sleeved, simple as that. No big secret.

Of course the S65 heads are good. What is supporting the NA power as is?

I can't ported it but the heads aren't the limitation yet and I don't know if they ever will be for me. There isn't enough to gain right now to even bother with it.

The guy above said he was interested in knowing so I linked it. This is also a "car" forum first and formost. If you think that way then you are really going to hate when sticky adds Americanboost for the guys here with American cars.

When I hear stock block and head, people are usually referring to the parts inside also. As I was saying earlier about the s2000, the 700whp has been made on stock piston, rods, bearings, etc. If you don't think that is built stronger out the factory than the s65 than you are nuts. Keep in mind its a 2.0L 4cyl. Never seen an s65 do that, but there has been a particular bmw motor that has. Here's a hint. Starts with an N and ends with a 4.

You can't base it all on wheel horsepower on stock internals. It's not apples to apples. If that is all you are trying to do then go get a thicker head gasket fabbed up and go nuts seeing what you can do until it pops.

The S54 did 700 on stock internals before the N54 and with stock compression. So your hint sucked.

The guy above said he was interested in knowing so I linked it. This is also a "car" forum first and formost. If you think that way then you are really going to hate when sticky adds Americanboost for the guys here with American cars.

1) my bad I didn't read the rest of his post I feel stupid
2) i dont care about him adding Americanboost, hondaboost, or whatever boost lol why would I that doesn't make sense?
3) you implied the n54 was the first/only one to do it

1) my bad I didn't read the rest of his post I feel stupid
2) i dont care about him adding Americanboost, hondaboost, or whatever boost lol why would I that doesn't make sense?

Because you wrote this is BimmerBoost. I mean, we are all enthusiasts of cars first and foremost so it doesn't matter to me and it shouldn't to others if other cars and tuning platforms are referenced for context.

I honestly like both the s65 and n54. They each have their strong points, but some of you guys make it like the s65 is gods gift to earth and is better than the n54 in every aspect. Any motor can be made to put out big Hp numbers, it just comes down to $$. I would just prefer the N54 if I was never planning on opening the motor up.

and is better than the n54 in every aspect. Any motor can be made to put out big Hp numbers, it just comes down to $$. I would just prefer the N54 if I was never planning on opening the motor up.

I think it's important to balance the sides. Obviously there is more pro-N54 talk and there is no problem with that it's great. But some people have their heads buried in the sand. We can handle multiple view points.

My point was just that it's we are on a s65vsn54 thread on a BMW forum why are we debating Hondas. Save that for another thread or leave it on Honda forums. At the time I didn't read the whole post where it was clearly was using it as reference