Not saying that its a bad thing, but Tom relies on those 3 way too much. Branch will make a contribution in a game, but won't be heard from for at least 1 or 2 games as if he's been relaesed. This is where the question of is the wide receivers developing. Tom has been in that offense for years and knows all the plays, but for Draft Picks and Free Agents that have come and gone, they don't know that offense like Tom does. The best example is Chad when he got traded late with no time at all due to the lockout and found the offense to be very complex and was a non-factor and Tom is calling his own plays as well which makes it more tougher for the new guys. One of two things has to happen, either Tom stays late after practice to work with all the wide receivers and tight ends so that they all know what to do or Tom is going to have to simplify the offense for the new guys (Draft Picks & Free Agents).

One thing I noticed this past year. I dont know if its O'bies scheme or what, but Brady no longer throws outside the numbers.

Is this because those throws do a number on his shoulders and are easier to get picked off? Is it because we dont have the talent outside?? IDK, I recall Ocho coming in and Brady hitting him for a 1st down outside the numbers and then its like ok, go sit down and lets get back to throwing over the middle. A mystery if there ever was one.

I hope Joshy has learned a lot since leaving here because if they dont change things up, this offense too will go stale like a naked loaf of bread on sidewalk if we dont integrate more players and use more of the football field.

Brady, hate to say it, played lazilly last year. He even admitted missing an open Ocho several times due to Gronk being in his line of sight first. This must Stop..

Any team can win ONE SB either by getting lucky or really just playing very tough, smart football in the postseason. We created a dynasty recently. It wasnt based on having the best QB. It wasnt based on ONE dominant WR, and it surely wasnt based on us trying to outscore opponents.

Look at teams like the Colts. One and Done in SBs. Bears...meh, they got lucky. Steelers, well they have a dominant defense and can run the ball when needed.

Who else recently??? The Giants, Packers and Saints. These 2 teams have the ability to go back and win again(maybe not the saints now) but my point is , WHY??

Well, The Saints have a slew of receiving options to throw to to go along with a commitment to run. Their defense has a couple playmakers, but otherwise nothing special.

The Giants have 4 WR's you have to deal with. You cant key on anyone specific. They all posess the ability to beat you in different ways and they all score TDs.

The Packers, they have Driver, Jennings, Nelson, James, to go along with their pro bowl TE.

My point is we are the only team trying to continuously go to the SB that doesnt have a solid WR group. The only one that doesnt attempt to establish a run game.(check the stats b4 you pounce) and the only team that doesnt have some sort of Identity on DEFENSE.

His point is we dont spread the ball enough. I agree but I also feel its our own fault for not being able to develop anyone else. Yet in still Ocho should have had more than 15 catches. Thats unnaceptable. I dont know how others saw it, but if they wanted more than 15 catches, they dam sure didnt give him the chance to do so.

Just Baffling....lol

Oh well. Lots of "studs' and "sure fire" picks I am hearing about in the draft this year. Lets all wait to see how long the next drafted WR lasts before he is shown the door!

I really don't understand the point of this. You want more tosses to Tiquan, or what?Posted by OscarGamble

The point is, the other Wide Receivers have not been developing. Eliminate Wes and the two playmakers in Gronk, and Hernandez at Tight End. Who else Tom can Rely on to get the football to? If you say Deion Branch, that is like betting on winning the million dollar lottery because Branch will have a good game, but will disappear for 1 or 2 games. Because the Offense relies on Tom, you better have other options as well. If you can't develop the other wide receivers, better start running the football.

Tell us something we don't know. We just lost 2 SBs in 4 years because we pass too much in general.Posted by BassFishing

This offense has gone from being about winning the Super Bowls to breaking records in the regular season and faltering in the postseason, especially these last two years. Either develop other pass catchers because Tom is going to need them at some point or run the football more. Its obvious when the offense runs the football more, the chances of winning go up.

One thing I noticed this past year. I dont know if its O'bies scheme or what, but Brady no longer throws outside the numbers. Is this because those throws do a number on his shoulders and are easier to get picked off? Is it because we dont have the talent outside?? IDK, I recall Ocho coming in and Brady hitting him for a 1st down outside the numbers and then its like ok, go sit down and lets get back to throwing over the middle. A mystery if there ever was one. I hope Joshy has learned a lot since leaving here because if they dont change things up, this offense too will go stale like a naked loaf of bread on sidewalk if we dont integrate more players and use more of the football field. Brady, hate to say it, played lazilly last year. He even admitted missing an open Ocho several times due to Gronk being in his line of sight first. This must Stop.. Any team can win ONE SB either by getting lucky or really just playing very tough, smart football in the postseason. We created a dynasty recently. It wasnt based on having the best QB. It wasnt based on ONE dominant WR, and it surely wasnt based on us trying to outscore opponents. Look at teams like the Colts. One and Done in SBs. Bears...meh, they got lucky. Steelers, well they have a dominant defense and can run the ball when needed. Who else recently??? The Giants, Packers and Saints. These 2 teams have the ability to go back and win again(maybe not the saints now) but my point is , WHY?? Well, The Saints have a slew of receiving options to throw to to go along with a commitment to run. Their defense has a couple playmakers, but otherwise nothing special. The Giants have 4 WR's you have to deal with. You cant key on anyone specific. They all posess the ability to beat you in different ways and they all score TDs. The Packers, they have Driver, Jennings, Nelson, James, to go along with their pro bowl TE. My point is we are the only team trying to continuously go to the SB that doesnt have a solid WR group. The only one that doesnt attempt to establish a run game.(check the stats b4 you pounce) and the only team that doesnt have some sort of Identity on DEFENSE . Packers I.D . - Pass Rush, Turnovers. Saints I.D ., - Swarm to the ball, Hit hard, force turnovers. They do everything well. Giants I.D. - Best pass rushing 4 man line, Always at the top of league in sacks. They kill your qb and your hopes of winning. What Identity does our Defense Have??? What Other WR options do we use outside of Wes, and maybe Hernandez the Hybrid???? Think about it....Posted by JayShizzle45

BB tries to put together Os and Ds that can match up against all comers in any weather. That means flexibilty as well as quality. It means balance as well as packages and schemes. Look at the Ds of SBs past - all had balance and playmakers front to back. This D will have that as he builds it. I think he has ended up building from the middle to the edges. We will see.

Tell us something we don't know. We just lost 2 SBs in 4 years because we pass too much in general.Posted by BassFishing

No we lost 2 SBs because the D could not make the critical plays when they needed and the O line was unable to cleanly handle the opponents D line during some key series. Had we been able to run the ball better that too would have made a difference but I would not lump it on the O, especially one so good. Why in the world do so many pleople here think the D is jsut there to be pretty, like cheerleaders? Look at the teams that won SBs here. Look at the D on those teams. Not all time Ds but really good Ds with playmakers on the lline, at LB and in the secondary. Flexibility. Good agasint the run or pass. Good pass rush. Solid and sound and smart.

Not saying that its a bad thing, but Tom relies on those 3 way too much. Branch will make a contribution in a game, but won't be heard from for at least 1 or 2 games as if he's been relaesed. This is where the question of is the wide receivers developing. Tom has been in that offense for years and knows all the plays, but for Draft Picks and Free Agents that have come and gone, they don't know that offense like Tom does. The best example is Chad when he got traded late with no time at all due to the lockout and found the offense to be very complex and was a non-factor and Tom is calling his own plays as well which makes it more tougher for the new guys. One of two things has to happen, either Tom stays late after practice to work with all the wide receivers and tight ends so that they all know what to do or Tom is going to have to simplify the offense for the new guys (Draft Picks & Free Agents).Posted by millergrnv

On 1 hand those 3 players all caught over 71% of their targets for over 3,500 yards and 33 tds.

On the other hand it is a problem to be so one dimensional and it is the offensive coordinators responsibility to get other guys involved. We failed at that.

Signing Randy Moss, so Brady can stare him down too, is the last thing this offense needs. Ochocinco didn't just become bad overnight.

When Brady was forced to use Reche Caldwell as a #1 in 2006, NE made it all the way to an AFC title game. Reche Caldwell did nothing but Brady was forced to make due with what he had then, but making excuses for Brady now is absolutely preposterous. No one mentioned the word "deep threat" prior to 2007. Now it's the 1st excuse used as to why they lost SB 42 with a deep threat and why they lost SB 46 without one even attempted to be used, let alone using a lead RB.

They didn't win in 03 or 04 because of passing prowess, so if you are arguing for better defensive players that's perfectly logical, however1. The game sets up many more ooportunities for chunk passing yardage now then it did nearly a decade ago. With some exceptions, it's just easier to move the football down the field throwing it than it is running.2. The talent outside the hashes in 2004 was superior to their current group. The guys on the outside either don't get it (Chad) or can't run (Branch). They have a grand total of zero players who can separate from man coverage in the intermediate or deep part of the route tree....so why on earth would Tom throw there? Rewatch any game from this past season, the separation on the outside is marginal at best. They lack size as well, Ocho has good height but even in his prime he never played tall.3. And the Pats didn't lose the superbowl because they threw it too much, they lost because they didn't execute at a high level, and lost badly at the line of scrimmage. Outside of Light, the entire line got whipped pretty good by the Giants. If you are losing 1 on 1 battles up front, the playcalling becomes largely irrelevant.