Workout over, Broncos players trudged back into the locker room Monday. They were tired, sore and hungry for anything but a request to meet with the press. There was no cajoling DeMarcus Ware. When the media relations staff pulled him aside, he never broke stride, walking straight to the platform.Even if you didn't know who Ware was, you knew he was somebody. He looked down on reporte...

All the platitudes about DeMarcus mentoring Von are wonderful, but Von has to listen and do what DeMarcus says - including but not limited to driving the speed limit, avoiding tickets and staying away from the dispensary. Otherwise, what's the point.

retro-grouch wrote:Future3000 has put his microscope on Stanley Jean Baptiste as a cornerback of exceptional value. He may very well be right. Future has a tendency to pull some great players out of his hat.

However, I don't think SJB will be a first round pick and I think it's very possible that he will go low in the second or high in the third. The reasons have to do with positional value and scheme matches.

As a tall cornerback, with big time speed and cover ability, he would be a lock for the first round. No question that he's big and he's pretty fast. How football fast will he turn out to be over the course of his career? How shifty and flexible? This is a big question for the team that picks him.

Is outside CB really his best position? Some of his fluidity and cover ability is raw. If he bulks up a bit or loses quickness for any reason the outside corner role comes off the table quickly. I understand the comparison with Richard Sherman but there are three or four tall defensive backs in every draft. Very rarely are they successful. Sherman is exceptional at film study and he seems to shortstop some of his physical limitations with play reading ability.

I could easily see Baptiste in a hybrid nickel back/safety role or in a related big nickel safety role. That would have him covering the Gronks and the Grahams of the NFL world instead of the Demaryiuses and the A.J. Greens. I like those match ups for him, with a bit less speed and much less slipperiness. He would have to develop his inside skill set, which is very doable, but that will be another raw area o build up over two years.

These types of position questions can cause draft value to slip a bit. Some "tweener" players just need the right coach to make a role for them but many, many of them find that they never quite fit in any scheme. The physical talents and the learned skills just don't match up correctly.

One thing is for certain and that is that the big nickel is not big scheme for JDR. Their nickel scheme with Woodyard had some overtones of a three safety scheme (and a healthy Woodyard, btw, is probably faster than SJB) but if any team seems committed to their nickel scheme, it's the Broncos.

Retro you bring up some good questions , now let me hopefully ease some of you concerns.

First off you mention how you don't believe that Stanley Jean Baptiste will be a first round pick and you believe that he will go in the lower second round possibly top of the third round. Well as I mention before he is going much higher than that. Both Mel Kiper and nfl network writer Bucky Brooks has SJB in their mock draft going to the Detroit Lions at #45:

In his latest two-round mock draft, Kiper projects the Lions will take Alabama safety Ha Ha Clinton-Dix with the No. 10 pick, then follow that up by selecting gargantuan Nebraska cornerback Stanley Jean-Baptiste with the 45th choice.

As we can see SJB stock is only going up, not down and we still have a couple of weeks to go.

Next thing you talk about is his cover skills are somewhat raw in terms of coverage and being fluid for a guy his size. Well, I say lets see, one of the best, if not the best corner in the League is Richard Sherman, and most people would say that SJB size wise is comparable, and that Richard Sherman is very fluid for his size, considering he ran a 4.33 shuttle time at the combine:

Now this was a topic on the Cecil Lammey show, a caller had call in asking about SJB, and Cecil Lammey basically said that he was find with his fluid motion but was susceptible to double moves. But I say that lot of film work helps take care of that, while gaining valuable experience something he hasn't really had, considering he is a converted Wr :

As you hear, he is also projecting him to go in the 3rd round, because his flavor of the month corner is Kyle Fuller from VT, and he is doing everything in is power to project him to the Broncos at #31. I will say that originally I had him too going to the Broncos, because he is the safe pick, but SJB could be the Pro Bowl pick or possibly better.

I know many Broncos fans listen to Cecil Lammey and love his insight, but Cecil Lammy in my opinion is die wrong on SJB being a 3rd round pick, as I mention last year Cecil also believe Ronnie Hillman a couple of years ago was a franchise running back(scroll over to the 1 minute mark):

No ones perfect, but to compare Ronnie Hillman to Marshall Faulk and LeSean McCoy was ridiculous. Now a days it is amazing, how on nearly everyone of his shows he tries to back track from that pick. ( SIdenote :Yes, Cecil, I am the youtube scout, and I know you read the message boards)

In terms of SJB bulking up, why would he have to ? SJB is already approximately 6'3'' and 218, he is already bigger than Sherman.

SJB has great cover skills despite his height, you can see for yourself in these two games, where no matter who he was playing at WR, he had great coverage on the WR from the initial jab, to down field coverage.( Notice how he played TEs as well as WRs)

47YearBroncoFan wrote:All the platitudes about DeMarcus mentoring Von are wonderful, but Von has to listen and do what DeMarcus says - including but not limited to driving the speed limit, avoiding tickets and staying away from the dispensary. Otherwise, what's the point.

Speeding, violating traffic laws and smoking a legal substance -- what a major scofflaw Von Miller is. He's almost as bad as O.J., Rae Carruth and Aaron Hernandez.

47YearBroncoFan wrote:All the platitudes about DeMarcus mentoring Von are wonderful, but Von has to listen and do what DeMarcus says - including but not limited to driving the speed limit, avoiding tickets and staying away from the dispensary. Otherwise, what's the point.

Speeding, violating traffic laws and smoking a legal substance -- what a major scofflaw Von Miller is. He's almost as bad as O.J., Rae Carruth and Aaron Hernandez.

Get off your high horse.

Do you: 1) Knowingly speed; 2) Knowingly violate traffic laws; and 3) Smoke a substance that may be legal in the states of Colorado and Washington but generally illegal elsewhere, illegal according to federal law and, more critically, is banned by the organization that sponsors your employment, the NFL? Especially after said organization put you in a program to monitor your use of said substance and violating said program could end your employment?

Thought so.

You people who would never break the law but excuse it for someone who does just because he can help your football team kill me. Just in case you're not aware, the laws/rules apply to everyone and do not exempt your football faves.

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What a lot of talk about nothing.DeMarcus Ware is always talked about in the past tense.It's not what he did that counts.It's what he's going to do.Unfortunately, he may not do much.Granted, Ware had some spectacular seasons with Dallas.However, my lingering image of Ware is the one where no one bothered to block the Cowboy during a game against the Giants.Can you imagine that? No one blocking what many claim to be a stellar defensive player.If there is justice, Ware should bounce back and be a terror for the Denver defense.You know a fire-breathing stallion bearing down on the runner or flushing a flustered quarterback out of the pocket.However, the reality is, is that Ware may never amount to much.As for Von Miller, we've already heard that tune before.No one cares what Miller does.If he wants fan support he'll have to earn it.My take on Miller/Ware? Mediocrity at best.Inferiority most likely.Too bad.Wasted money and needless hope.Bye, bye Von.Good riddance Ware.You both stink.