Only Australian trained winners I can see are Black Caviar and Choisir so 2 winners in 15 years

The quality of Aussie racing at the top has slumped in the last few years with Winx and Black Caviar both able to string together 25 successive wins (BC having 24 of those in Australia). This suggests non competitive racing in Aussie G1s in the modern era

The fact that Black Caviar was only able to fall in to win by a head after all her consecutive wins in Australia makes me think the Aussie form this year won't be up to the standard required. Redkirk Warrior and Merchant Navy are not as good as Black Caviar was

Short memory? We've been over the BC form and visit ad nauseam but you keep ignoring the basic facts.

But moving on......

2/15 is a pointless stat without knowing the number, quality and form of starters in that 15 year period. The unfortunate loss by Brazen Beau (another Williams brain fart) has also been mentioned so arguably 3/15 from very few starters takes on a different perspective.

But all that vanishes as soon as they line up on Sat. If both are in near peak form and the track plays fair they have undoubted claims despite not having run up that particular course.

If he runs to his best he would clearly win the race. I think that's indisputable isn't it?

I know it's a big if but l wouldn't be betting against it from happening. Two runs in England in his early days for two wins. He might like it over there as much as he likes the straight at Flemington.

If he runs to his best he would clearly win the race. I think that's indisputable isn't it?

I know it's a big if but l wouldn't be betting against it from happening. Two runs in England in his early days for two wins. He might like it over there as much as he likes the straight at Flemington.

What's the knock on him? Clearly in career best form too.

I Do't think there's any great knock on him . Only 3 in the betting and many have a high opinion of our other rep. Surprising to me, the main betting ( not much action ) has been on Redkirk. My few small sets have resulted in the following picture so far ;_ =Harry Angel$5.34Merchant Navy$5.34Redkirk Warrior$6.46Bound For Nowhere$5.34The Tin Man$5.34 All others $5.34 profit ... For those not experienced , That's TRADING. DON'T TAKE THESE STUPID EARLY, ALL IN PRICES ( It's stealing )

If he runs to his best he would clearly win the race. I think that's indisputable isn't it?

I know it's a big if but l wouldn't be betting against it from happening. Two runs in England in his early days for two wins. He might like it over there as much as he likes the straight at Flemington.

What's the knock on him? Clearly in career best form too.

If they ran the Newmarket again on a fair track I have no idea who would win out of RW and MN.

If he runs to his best he would clearly win the race. I think that's indisputable isn't it?

I know it's a big if but l wouldn't be betting against it from happening. Two runs in England in his early days for two wins. He might like it over there as much as he likes the straight at Flemington.

What's the knock on him? Clearly in career best form too.

If they ran the Newmarket again on a fair track I have no idea who would win out of RW and MN.

The young one will be a big improver MN.... I backed RW in the Newmarket and expect he will go well fresh . Will be interesting when the UK market goes to start time with the huge Pool. Hopefully the ups and downs will provide a Traders dream.

He needs to be macca. In poor at the weights for that defeat. Needs to have improved a couple and Redkirk come back a couple.

I love Merchant Navy. Always been one of mine. But for me the value play in this race was Redkirk. I don't trust the Irish mafia that he was underdone last start. They're trying to improve his service fee.

He needs to be macca. In poor at the weights for that defeat. Needs to have improved a couple and Redkirk come back a couple.

I love Merchant Navy. Always been one of mine. But for me the value play in this race was Redkirk. I don't trust the Irish mafia that he was underdone last start. They're trying to improve his service fee.

I don't know the UK WFA scale but MN is entitled to improve some.

WHY are some people taking as low as $5.2 Redkirk on Betfair when he is $6.50 on Sportsbet . Madness.

He's treated a 4yo over there so as a mid Nov foal (five months off actually turning 4) he isn't getting any favours under their scale. No quid pro quo with the way we treat their 3yos racing here during the spring, which is very poor imo.

Aside from the obvious - that being he is carrying more weight than he should be for his age simply because the Poms still think we're convicts - it's the weight turn-around vs Redkirk Warrior that is most relevant. RW beat him in the Newmarket and meets him far better here for that beating.

Not impossible by any stretch, particularly assuming he has improved. But I dare say it will also require Redkirk Warrior to underperform. That too can quite easily happen.

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