IMO Martinez is going to hard on her she is a respectable woman. Do you want the truth on do you just want me to agree with you.Too much he's going to blow it and it will be all his fault She is a expert on this matter and he is acting like one of her patients

Blonde

I also hope that Martinez' rebuttal approach does not backfire.

I comprehend perfectly where Martinez is coming from and going to in regards to Alyce's presentation in Las Vegas but ... I do find his questioning confusing as he attempts to prove the point ... the point that the Snow White model implies Travis would automatically be considered by Alyce to be the perpetrator and ... Jodi the batter woman.

The four books and magazine subscription Alyce gifted to Jodi ... which I consider crossed a professional boundary ... would assure that her and Jodi were on the same page and ... selected enteries from the journal that would further the battered woman syndrome agenda would be used as evidence.

BBM... Thank you for that comment. I think that is why and how Jodi's testimony seemed to sound clinical sometimes... I agree that giving her materials like this is basically giving her a roadmap to follow with her testimony and I can only hope that Juan will some how get that in.

It was something that I may have added together eventually but hadn't connected yet.

I get that shes an "expert" but i think the fact that she is calling travis abusive without any real proof makes me disrespect her.

There are no emails or texts between Travis and Jodi implying Travis was physically abusive. There are no journal entries by Jodi revealing that Travis was abusive. There are no witnesses/former girlfriends who have come forward who claim that Travis was physically abusive.

In other words ... there is no evidence to support Jodi's self-defence plea but there is credible circumstantial evidence to support a premeditated charge by the prosecutor regarding a woman who came to the conclusion that she was scorned for the last time.

Janet

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He is already in a fog. I was asked what was for dinner. I told him anything his little heart desired and please prepare a little extra for me. It took him a minute to get it.

Anyways ... as it is raining in the Valley I do believe that it is a good evening to do some grocery shopping. Maybe a stop at our favorite Chinese restaurant is where it is at.

Later, Janet5:55 PM PT

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I get that shes an "expert" but i think the fact that she is calling travis abusive without any real proof makes me disrespect her.

There are no emails or texts between Travis and Jodi implying Travis was physically abusive. There are no journal entries by Jodi revealing that Travis was abusive. There are no witnesses/former girlfriends who have come forward who claim that Travis was physically abusive.

In other words ... there is no evidence to support Jodi's self-defence plea but there is credible circumstantial evidence to support a premeditated charge by the prosecutor regarding a woman who came to the conclusion that she was scorned for the last time.

Janet

I believe that is exactly what it is. She was obsessed with travis & wasnt going to go away quietly. I do believe he was trying to get rid of her completely & was as mean as he could be to her in the end by calling her all those names & telling her how evil she was to accomplish it. I wish he would have stuck to those feelings & not let her in that day & he may still be alive

I believe that is exactly what it is. She was obsessed with travis & wasnt going to go away quietly. I do believe he was trying to get rid of her completely & was as mean as he could be to her in the end by calling her all those names & telling her how evil she was to accomplish it. I wish he would have stuck to those feelings & not let her in that day & he may still be alive [/quote]

Despicable. This defense is a farce and I have a hard time believing these 'experts' don't know it. Seriously... Snow White with a black eye?

It is clear that Jodi and Alyce have discussed the whole Snow White/domestic violence BS since this ebay item sold in January.

Then there's Jodi's fake forlorn I'm-so-weak-and-beaten-down look anytime LaViolette or Samuels brought up Travis's supposed ill treatment of her... you know, the ill treatment she claimed to be addicted to in her journal.

I believe that is exactly what it is. She was obsessed with travis & wasnt going to go away quietly. I do believe he was trying to get rid of her completely & was as mean as he could be to her in the end by calling her all those names & telling her how evil she was to accomplish it. I wish he would have stuck to those feelings & not let her in that day & he may still be alive

I agree kcrn.

There was Travis' vicious recording as well as the recanted Cancun invitation. Could these two attempts of Travis to distance Jodi from his life once and for all have motivated Jodi to plan her revenge while using a visit to Ryan Burns as an alibi to divert suspicion from her.

Arias read text messages aloud that Alexander had sent her calling her his "sex slave" and describing aggressive sexual fantasies he had. The pair were no longer dating, but continued to sleep together as they dated other people.

"You are the ultimate slut in bed," Alexander wrote in the messages. "When it's done, the intensity will make your body feel like you have been rapedÖ You'll rejoice in being a whore that's sole purpose in life is to be mine, to have animalistic sex with me and to please me in any way I desire."

Jodi Arias was at one point booked to go with Travis Alexander on the trip to Cancun, according to a source involved in Prepaid Legal, the company that sponsored the Mexican vacation.

In early 2008, Alexander originally told the tripís organizers that his guest would be Arias. Then in April, after he began dating another woman, he contacted the organizer and asked if it was too late to change the tickets, according to the source.

Because the tickets had not yet been purchased, he changed the name at the last minute to Marie Hall, who, along with two friends, discovered Travisí bloody and bloated body on June 9, 2008. Hall had been scheduled to depart with Alexander for the trip the next day.

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Despicable. This defense is a farce and I have a hard time believing these 'experts' don't know it. Seriously... Snow White with a black eye?

It is clear that Jodi and Alyce have discussed the whole Snow White/domestic violence BS since this ebay item sold in January.

Then there's Jodi's fake forlorn I'm-so-weak-and-beaten-down look anytime LaViolette or Samuels brought up Travis's supposed ill treatment of her... you know, the ill treatment she claimed to be addicted to in her journal.

Great find pharlap!

Janet

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It should be noted that Kirk Nurmi and Jennifer Willmott as well as Richard Samuels and Alyce LaViolette have yet to produced ANY evidence that Travis' Alexander was physically abusive to Jodi Arias ... to former love interests ... to anyone. The alleged physical abuse claim by Jodi ... a pathological liar ... stands alone. It is beyond my comprehension how even one jury member would buy Jodi's self-defence plea.

I do not know the legality of it all but ... when you consider the murder beyond brutal of Travis Alexander and then the direction that the defence team and their "experts" have been allowed by the Judge to take in the defence of Jodi Arias ... I consider this trial a slap in the face of justice. IMO

Janet

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Arias' defense attorneys have been building a case that she was battered and controlled by Alexander. Alyce LaViolette, a psychologist and expert in domestic abuse, has been on the witness stand for more than a week. On Thursday, she parsed the language of a 16-page Instant Message in which Alexander threatens Arias and compares her to Adolph Hitler, the devil, a prostitute and several sexually insulting names. And she went through a list of women with whom Alexander had exchanged flirtatious, suggestive and sexually explicit communications during the time he was carrying on a secret sexual relationship with Arias.

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I'm sorry guys but I don't like Martinez he reminds me of my first husband and gives me knots in my stomach every time he yells.My first husband was very mentally and physically abusive to me. But in 1969 you can't have your husband arrested for hitting you raping you or anything Why because he is your husband and you are a woman with NO Rights This may be why I'm having a hard time with this case. He did terrible things to me things that are still haunting me and no one believed me.I kept a journal and while I was at work he found it Ohh the price I paid for putting this down on paper.I had no one to talk to that would believe me because I was the only one who saw this side of him. He was very good at hiding this I shouldn't even be watching this case because it's making me remember everything.YES I wanted to kill him but tossed him out changed the locks on the doors he broke in smashed through a window and beat the crap out of me but this time people saw him. He was arrested and some other woman is putting up with his shit now.

I may have to back away from this case

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I'm sorry guys but I don't like Martinez he reminds me of my first husband and gives me knots in my stomach every time he yells.My first husband was very mentally and physically abusive to me. But in 1969 you can't have your husband arrested for hitting you raping you or anything Why because he is your husband and you are a woman with NO Rights This may be why I'm having a hard time with this case. He did terrible things to me things that are still haunting me and no one believed me.I kept a journal and while I was at work he found it Ohh the price I paid for putting this down on paper.I had no one to talk to that would believe me because I was the only one who saw this side of him. He was very good at hiding this I shouldn't even be watching this case because it's making me remember everything.YES I wanted to kill him but tossed him out changed the locks on the doors he broke in smashed through a window and beat the crap out of me but this time people saw him. He was arrested and some other woman is putting up with his shit now.

I may have to back away from this case

BlondeI am so deeply sorry that you had to live through such a horrible relationship in your life. Noone deserves to have another person treat them like that. Im so glad that you got out & moved on with your life. Im sure the emotional scars are something that never completely heals. I understand that u dont like martinez & his agressive approach. I guess im ok with his approach because of how i feel about this case. I am obviously not involved in this case, i dont know these people & i have nothing to lose or gain from the outcome of this trial but it angers me immensely to see the defense trash travis over & over again with zero proof of any of it, so i can only imagine how his family feels. It is insulting, imo, to those who have truly been abused. I see jodi as the type of girl who will change herself to impress the man she wants & will do whatever it takes to keep them interested. I truly believe that travis was really starting to aesee what kind of person she really was & was really trying to end things completely with her. I doubt he ever really loved her but was drawn in by the sex. I think all of those mean & nasty things he said to her were in frustration trying to get her out of his life. I said some pretty nasty things to my husband in our younger days when our relationship was up & down as he did to me, & there was no abuse going on there. I just really believe jodi was angry & bitter because she had become obsessed with him & was not going to be discarded like that. I do not in any way believe she was abused by travis. She deserves to at least sit in prison for the rest of her pathetic life. Hugs to u blonde for going through what u did.

Blonde ... thank you for sharing. I now comprehend where you are coming from in many of you posts on this thread.

I agree with you in regards to Juan Martinez. I do not appreciate his approach to the questioning of the defence witnesses and neither did my hubby when he watched the trial proceedings yesterday for the first time. His take? There is agressive and agressive. Well thought out rebuttal questions can be asked respectfully but firmly while effectively conveying authority ...without bulling ... without talking down to the witness.

Your ex-husband was abusive on so many levels. However ... you may have felt like killing the guy but you did not. Blonde ... you somehow mustered up the strength and made a PERSONAL choice not to be a victim and YOU took alternative avenues to ultimately free yourself from the abuse in a way that would allow you to eventually move on.

I believe that the Jodi/Travis relationship differs. Jodi was not married to Travis and ... Jodi did not live with Travis or live nearby. Whether the visit to Travis on that road trip implies the murder was premeditated or not ... Jodi made the choice to be in his presence on that fateful day despite the h--- she claims he put her through.

Janet

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