One unmentioned peice of jeffs id reccomend is the song 'Homeboy' from the Michael mcdonald album 'Take it to heart'. Some lovely Hi-hat work, and some of the nicest fills Ive heard from him. Amazing flowing feel to the whole track. Awesome.

You're right.
That track smokes.
I read in an '02 Paiste article with Mangiacaro and Keltner where Jim had stated one of the things he listens for (and did) with Jeff's tunes was the hat. Keltner's statement that Jeff 'had a beautiful way of playing hi hat', and it's true. Such an effortless, silky way of playing that made anything sparkle.
"Homeboy" is just one example of that.

One unmentioned peice of jeffs id reccomend is the song 'Homeboy' from the Michael mcdonald album 'Take it to heart'. Some lovely Hi-hat work, and some of the nicest fills Ive heard from him. Amazing flowing feel to the whole track. Awesome.

Tim

That's a rare example of Jeff playing the hi-hat with BOTH hands.

Check out "Wrong side of the tracks" (David Roberts): Jeff playing the hi-hat with the RIGHT hand only at his best!!

One unmentioned peice of jeffs id reccomend is the song 'Homeboy' from the Michael mcdonald album 'Take it to heart'. Some lovely Hi-hat work, and some of the nicest fills Ive heard from him. Amazing flowing feel to the whole track. Awesome.

You're right.
That track smokes.
I read in an '02 Paiste article with Mangiacaro and Keltner where Jim had stated one of the things he listens for (and did) with Jeff's tunes was the hat. Keltner's statement that Jeff 'had a beautiful way of playing hi hat', and it's true. Such an effortless, silky way of playing that made anything sparkle.
"Homeboy" is just one example of that.

Thanks for the reminder!
T

Cool, yeah I really like his hat playing with two hand as well as just one! He always got a nice sound from those paistes..

Cheers alexdrum, ill check that track out. And no im not italian! just a slight (originaly unintentional) play on my name, Tim Hiscocks. I realised what it said after I created numerous email accounts!

P.S. I can confirm another track where he plays absolutely amazing hand-to-hand hi hat is on a track called 'gone Buttlefishin'' on James Newton Howards 'Freinds' album, which was originaly reccomended by Stu-Strib on this thread which I then bought. Thanks again for that reccomendation. Jeff really has played on too many things!

My all-time favorite for hats is Lady Love Me (One More Time) by George Benson. Again, one handed sixteenths!

A few more I highly recommend...

Lonely Talk, Michael McDonald
Any Foolish Thing, Michael McDonald (Best shuffle in my opinion)
Point It Up, Larry Carlton (The groove at 3':44" in is to die for!)

Alexdrum,

All Dressed up is really growing on me at the moment. Wrong Side Of The Tracks is awesome. I love the break in the middle of the song, that trademark opening of the hi-hat followed by a nice triplet roll on the snare! =)

Yes, the 8th note hihat part is part of the original drum track, while the 16ths are an overdub. There's an old article from Modern Drummer where he talks about the Silk Degrees sessions and how he had fun improvising with himself for that overdub.

actually Porcaro DIDN'T like the idea of a double tracked hi-hat on that tune at first. but apparently he got over it quickly for sure!!

My all-time favorite for hats is Lady Love Me (One More Time) by George Benson. Again, one handed sixteenths!

A few more I highly recommend...

Lonely Talk, Michael McDonald
Any Foolish Thing, Michael McDonald (Best shuffle in my opinion)
Point It Up, Larry Carlton (The groove at 3':44" in is to die for!)

Alexdrum,

All Dressed up is really growing on me at the moment. Wrong Side Of The Tracks is awesome. I love the break in the middle of the song, that trademark opening of the hi-hat followed by a nice triplet roll on the snare! =)

Another great track is "Without you" on Runaway by Bill Champlin: great fill at the intro.
Check out also "Satisfaction" on the same album and then tell me who is the drummer 'cause I'm pretty sure it isn't Jeffrey (maybe is John Robinson)...

Another great track is "Without you" on Runaway by Bill Champlin: great fill at the intro.
Check out also "Satisfaction" on the same album and then tell me who is the drummer 'cause I'm pretty sure it isn't Jeffrey (maybe is John Robinson)...

To my (limited!) knowledge, the only track with Jeff on that album is Without You. I agree, Satisfaction is very JR. And yes, great opening fill!

Talking of fills, here's a gem for you (if you don't know it already)...

Superstar, by Richard Marx.

You know that fill from How Many Times / Toto (4:05 in), well at the end of Superstar, you can hear the same fill slowed right down, here you can really break it down and hear how it's done.

And here's a challenge for you...

The album View From The Ground by America has no track credits. Have a listen and tell me which tracks you think are Jeff. I have my ideas, but don't want to influence your decision.

My all-time favorite for hats is Lady Love Me (One More Time) by George Benson. Again, one handed sixteenths!

A few more I highly recommend...

Lonely Talk, Michael McDonald
Any Foolish Thing, Michael McDonald (Best shuffle in my opinion)
Point It Up, Larry Carlton (The groove at 3':44" in is to die for!)

Alexdrum,

All Dressed up is really growing on me at the moment. Wrong Side Of The Tracks is awesome. I love the break in the middle of the song, that trademark opening of the hi-hat followed by a nice triplet roll on the snare! =)

Cheers guys, thatll be a couple more hours on amazon then! I didnt even know he played on a Benson album, ill look that one up. Is it older or newer than 'give me the night'?

Alexdrum: What kind of genre is Bill Champlin? Ill check that out

Totally agree with you on 'any foolish thing' thats always been my favourite shuffle groove of his, more so than rosanna. It is more simple and just flows nicely I think.

Any one know where I can get 'All dressed up' from? Amazon uk dont have it and amazon us have it only second hand and not international shipping....

As for the America album, ive never heard it but JRs hats are normally quite distinctive 'light' sounding... Although I still cant decide who plays which songs on Madonnas 'like a prayer', which they both play on too....V annoying when they dont list track credits!

The Benson album is In Your Eyes (1983), slightly later than GMTN i think. I highly recommend this album. It has only one Jeff track, but the rest are made up of Steve Gadd, Carlos Vega, Steve Ferrone etc!!!!!!! Superb Album.

This has been posted before I assume, but it's like the bible to me. I have a print out handy when out shopping for music!! (Sad B**tard!!)

Oh, forgot to mention, I believe Jeff's groove can be heard on the track Cherish (Like A Prayer). There's no specific credit to that, but I read it in a mag somewhere. One listen, and it will confirm it I think!

I hate it when there's no credits. There's too many examples of this!!

Oh, forgot to mention, I believe Jeff's groove can be heard on the track Cherish (Like A Prayer). There's no specific credit to that, but I read it in a mag somewhere. One listen, and it will confirm it I think!

I hate it when there's no credits. There's too many examples of this!!

Ahhhhhhhhhhh,
this hunting for Jeff Porcaro uncredited track is gettin VERY INTERESTING....
I also vote for "Cherish" being a Jeff Porcaro's take.

On the same album, I'm pretty sure it's Johnathan "sugarfoot" Moffet on "Like a prayer".
Pay attention to his trademark rolls on the hi-hat and the fact that they are played mostly with the tips only, not with the shoulders. Plus his hi-hat sound doesn't recall the Paiste sound.

Bill Champlin "Runaway" album is an A.O.R. masterpiece, very highly recommended.

On the same album, I'm pretty sure it's Johnathan "sugarfoot" Moffet on "Like a prayer".
Pay attention to his trademark rolls on the hi-hat and the fact that they are played mostly with the tips only, not with the shoulders. Plus his hi-hat sound doesn't recall the Paiste sound.

Yes, I imagine moffet when listening to this tune. I know that Express Yourself is all JR.

I've noticed that Manu Katche also plays on the "On every street" album

However, there are no indications in my booklet regarding which songs are played by Porcaro and which ones by Katche.

From previous posts in this thread, I see that Porcaro plays "Calling Elvis" and "Heavy Fuel"... Anybody knows about the other songs ?

Actually, Manu Katche played on Heavy Fuel. The rest is Jeff.

I saw Manu at the Ultimate Drummers Day in Australia many years ago, and he told a hilarious story about the session.

He also said he was very wary of playing on that record, because in his mind it was Jeff's record, and they were very good friends. Apparently Mark convinced him to do a few takes and the result was Heavy Fuel.

As far as I can remember, it was his first take, he actually thought it was pretty average but apparently Mark dug it so they used it.

One of the 702 album credits he had .....working on his diosgraphy at Toto Network, I found things he had played on that I had forgotten about.

"Heavy Fuel" from Dire Straits is definitely Jeff. (Something about the kick drum is the give-away).

Check it out. This guy was EVERYWHERE.

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Oh, forgot to mention, I believe Jeff's groove can be heard on the track Cherish (Like A Prayer). There's no specific credit to that, but I read it in a mag somewhere. One listen, and it will confirm it I think!

I hate it when there's no credits. There's too many examples of this!!

Champlin is one of Chicago's lead vocalists, and has been in the biz for 35 years or so.
Go find yourself a copy of "Lossen up Naturally" by "the Sons of Champlin" for starters.

;-)

Lukather and Champlin took a Grammy for "Turn Your Love Around" in '81. Bill is West Coast/R&B/Funk/Soul....hard to put him in one bag.

Jeff's work on "Runaway" is awesome.

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Cheers guys, thatll be a couple more hours on amazon then! I didnt even know he played on a Benson album, ill look that one up. Is it older or newer than 'give me the night'?

Alexdrum: What kind of genre is Bill Champlin? Ill check that out

Totally agree with you on 'any foolish thing' thats always been my favourite shuffle groove of his, more so than rosanna. It is more simple and just flows nicely I think.

Any one know where I can get 'All dressed up' from? Amazon uk dont have it and amazon us have it only second hand and not international shipping....

As for the America album, ive never heard it but JRs hats are normally quite distinctive 'light' sounding... Although I still cant decide who plays which songs on Madonnas 'like a prayer', which they both play on too....V annoying when they dont list track credits!

I'm the somebody that had that project dropped in my lap...."here, manage compiling this", somebody said. So I did.

SIX WEEKS, and the help of three others. There are ALBUM covers, track lists, and lists of the other guys and gals on each album.

702 DIFFERENT CREDITS!
Folks, that's an insane amount of work. 33 different projects a year over the course of 21 years. My humble opinion? Jeff's heart said, "...you're NOT working me that hard anymore, pal...I resign; I QUIT!"

Tony,
If you mean the Toto Network thing, I had major help from several on that project.
It was so much fun. It was frustrating at times to format--or to find rare tracks-but that's when you call in other people who might know things you didn't.

Jeff had 702 credits that I've counted, and perhaps that's only HALF of his credits-everything else either on a shelf somewhere, or never used......but it's a safe bet to say he played his back pockets off while he was here.

Tony,
If you mean the Toto Network thing, I had major help from several on that project.
It was so much fun. It was frustrating at times to format--or to find rare tracks-but that's when you call in other people who might know things you didn't.

Jeff had 702 credits that I've counted, and perhaps that's only HALF of his credits-everything else either on a shelf somewhere, or never used......but it's a safe bet to say he played his back pockets off while he was here.

T

Yes, I was referring to that. I really admire your (and the others) work on that.
Without this kind of information, I wouldn't have such a great record collection!

For some reason this week, the tune "Pamela" cued from my playlist and toward the end of the tune (2nd chorus maybe?) Jeff's ride cymbal pattern just NAILED me. It was almost as if that groove yelled, "hey-been here all along, why did you just now notice?"

(It seems every time I hear something he played -another facet of his work shows up real sneaky like....!).

Jeff, for all his rock drummer chops, could swing a ride! He was firmly rooted in jazz, of this I am convinced.

I saw Manu at the Ultimate Drummers Day in Australia many years ago, and he told a hilarious story about the session.

He also said he was very wary of playing on that record, because in his mind it was Jeff's record, and they were very good friends. Apparently Mark convinced him to do a few takes and the result was Heavy Fuel.

As far as I can remember, it was his first take, he actually thought it was pretty average but apparently Mark dug it so they used it.

That's really interesting.

As a first listen, I thought, yep that's Jeff. Listening a bit harder, I'm sure I can hear some trade mark Katche splashes. Like maybe a 12" or something? Something you would rarely hear Jeff play.

I can say the same for "Planet New Orleans" though. The drumming on this track reminds me of something you'd hear from Sting's "Soul Cages".

The rest of the tracks sound Jeffrey like, with those big Paistes and that brush work.

--Dire Straits / On Every Street (Warner, 1991)
No track specific credits; 1 of 2 drummers (also Manu Katche); known to be on*)
Track list: *Calling Elvis - On every street - When it comes to you - Fade to black - The bug - You and your friend - Heavy fuel - Iron hand - Ticket to heaven - *My parties - Planet of New Orleans - How long

SOMEWHERE, I believe Keltner credited Jeff with "Heavy Fuel" --in an interview after Jeff passed away. I'll keep looking for that.
OBNOTE: I looked on my copy of "Sultans of Swing/Best of..." and both Jeff and Manu are credited but not for particular tunes. I DO BELIEVE Jeff played on "the Bug" from "On Every Street". That just sounds like a track he'd do.

OBSERVATION: Hungate has stated Jeff had a pretty cryptic sense of humor and had a quick wit. Toward the end of "Heavy Fuel" there's a shot somebody takes at a ride cymbal bell, real quick "take THAT" sort of lick. Something tells me that's Jeff.

I'll keep digging 'til I find his name (or don't) on that track. I think it's in the interview with Keltner. We gotta find the answer to this one.

--Dire Straits / On Every Street (Warner, 1991)
No track specific credits; 1 of 2 drummers (also Manu Katche); known to be on*)
Track list: *Calling Elvis - On every street - When it comes to you - Fade to black - The bug - You and your friend - Heavy fuel - Iron hand - Ticket to heaven - *My parties - Planet of New Orleans - How long

SOMEWHERE, I believe Keltner credited Jeff with "Heavy Fuel" --in an interview after Jeff passed away. I'll keep looking for that.
OBNOTE: I looked on my copy of "Sultans of Swing/Best of..." and both Jeff and Manu are credited but not for particular tunes. I DO BELIEVE Jeff played on "the Bug" from "On Every Street". That just sounds like a track he'd do.

OBSERVATION: Hungate has stated Jeff had a pretty cryptic sense of humor and had a quick wit. Toward the end of "Heavy Fuel" there's a shot somebody takes at a ride cymbal bell, real quick "take THAT" sort of lick. Something tells me that's Jeff.

I'll keep digging 'til I find his name (or don't) on that track. I think it's in the interview with Keltner. We gotta find the answer to this one.

Plus, the hi-hat sound is not a Paiste sound, it's a Zildjian New or Quick Beat: it has a fatter sound but not lower not higher than a perfect medium, while I'd define the JP hi-hat sound more silky.
Again: the use of the toms and floor toms. Very "african", to me it's Manu, the way he plays tom fills it's very down-earthy, african, warm.
The sound of the snare and the way Manu plays very dragged-ghost notes in between backbeats.