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Re: Michael brown paid, full footage shows

For the record, the story Brown's accomplice is trying to sell the media is beyond ridiculous in this regard as well.

"The cop reached out through the window and tried to choke Michael around the neck."

Yea... We're expected to believe that this pudgy, unassuming guy...

Was stupid enough to attempt something like that on the behemoth we saw in that video?

Give me a ****ing break.

I think the physics and geometry thing already proved that story to be a false narrative. Seated cop...6'4"b 300 pound guy...and the cop is going to pull him in the front seat of his car...what...on his lap I guess....

Re: Michael brown paid, full footage shows

Originally Posted by opendebate

I found that interesting too. Doesn't it make sense that if a "strong arm" robbery had taken place someone who worked for the store and was actually robbed would have called. I am admittedly a little distracted from the new news right now but at this point I don't know if the store owner or clerk has confirmed that any robbery or attempted robbery had taken place. The version of the story I read most recently was that he wanted more cigars than he could afford and had to put some back and that the clerk pushed him first from behind the counter. This version actually makes a little more sense to me and might explain why a customer looking on from the outside might think a robbery was taking place.

Also, why do all the other videos only show MB roughing up this skinny little clerk? What is that supposed to prove? Are we not even supposed to consider the possibility that he was provoked by the clerk?

It's also suspect to me that alot of the same people who justify smacking a woman if she provokes him is giving this guy **** for roughing up this clerk who is half his size.

Do you even have the slightest pretense of expectation of even a tiny tiny bit of credibility with comments like that? You are THAT warped in your insistence on maintaining your narrative that he MUST have just been a poor widdle victim that not only did the cop hunt him down and murder him in cold blood but only moments before a store clerk a third his size also was picking on poor big Mike. Just a poor widdle man who was always being victimized by mean oppressive people.

Re: Michael brown paid, full footage shows

Originally Posted by opendebate

Why is this necessary?

If he did in fact steal cigars, it has absolutely nothing to do with his being shot and it in no way proves that he is someone who would rush or assault an armed cop. It is out there for no other reason than to serve as justification for many peoples prejudice and the otherwise unfounded assumptions that spring from those prejudices.

Actually.... This has nothing to do with people's personal prejudices.

It has everything with demonstrating how the Media jump on a story and go with a "fairy tale" in the beginning to get the attention of people.
Its about the absolute lack of journalistic integrity.

Re: Michael brown paid, full footage shows

Originally Posted by opendebate

Michael Brown appears to have paid for the cigars he was suspected of having stolen.

Whatís more appalling is that the supposed robbery likely had nothing to do with the altercation between Wilson and Brown, as the video was not obtained until well after Brown had been shot and killed by Wilson.

Itís shameful that the Ferguson authorities would engage in such tactics. Even if Brown had robbed the convenience store, it is irrelevant to the circumstances of the shooting.

The punishment for petty theft isnít death. The punishment for suspected petty theft isnít death. What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Does this look like footage of someone committing a crime?
This article makes a greater point, one that I think we can't afford to ignore. That point being there seems to be a consistent practice of people shooting unarmed young black men dead then the media demonizing them by creating a false narrative that draws from and perpetuates unfounded stereotypes and prejudices.

Sometimes I'm not sure which disgusts me more. The people who create these lies or the people who allow themselves to be distracted by them and lose sight of an obvious injustice.

Does anyone really believe that ALL of these stories of young unarmed black men being shot dead are BS? If so, I see that as a somewhat willing ignorance.

Okay - putting aside the Ferguson everything.

Be honest: this video doesn't show anything. Just how crappy is security footage there in that convenience store? I can't see the clerk. I can't see the register. Leaning forward just a little and in fact his entire face is concealed. You can't see anything he's doing. Nothing is evident.

Further - regardless of whether he paid or not, just what was the clerk doing, then, by confronting him at the door? Why did he, just moments later, get in the clerk's face in an aggressive manner? If he didn't steal anything then why did the clerk say he did?

I think you're trying to show this to 'prove he was a great guy' but there's nothing here to see - I know just as much now as I did before watching it: absolutely nothing.

It would take a leap of faith greater than stepping from the Lion's Mouth for me to watch that and conclude diddly squat.

A screaming comes across the sky.
It has happened before, but there is nothing to compare it to now.

Re: Michael brown paid, full footage shows

That doesn't make it doctored. They just posted the portion of the video that they felt made their point.

And then claimed it was full footage. It's not. As you state it is just the portion that "they", whoever that is, think proves their point.

I see no means of payment being tendered. I see a person reaching behind the counter and coming away with something. From the extended video, I see a rather diminutive clerk coming around the counter and engaging the gentle giant. I see the gentle giant assaulting the clerk.

I have been in a few stores in my life, and I have never had a clerk get between me and the door. But then I always pay.

Re: Michael brown paid, full footage shows

Originally Posted by VanceMack

Do you even have the slightest pretense of expectation of even a tiny tiny bit of credibility with comments like that? You are THAT warped in your insistence on maintaining your narrative that he MUST have just been a poor widdle victim that not only did the cop hunt him down and murder him in cold blood but only moments before a store clerk a third his size also was picking on poor big Mike. Just a poor widdle man who was always being victimized by mean oppressive people.

Holy ****.

That seems to be a pretty popular narrative. Some of the comments I've been reading on other sites are truly remarkable. There seem to be a lot of folks out there who seriously believe that cops actively seek to shoot black males and that the only reason anyone would even consider questioning the Dorian Johnson version of events is racism.