I have heard all of the arguments and I have heard all the opinions of others. Some say that not all of a loss can be blamed on the coach. Some say the coach is 100% to blame.

IMO, a Head Coach's job is to prepare for a game, get his players prepared for a game, motivate his players, and make them believe in the system. A Head Coach's responsibility is to instill faith in what they are doing and putting his players in a position to succeed.

Kubiak has done none of that.

Last year we went 8-8 against a very soft schedule. This year, while not as easy of a schedule as last year, is still not the monster that we all thought it was going to be.

All we have done under Kubiak is lose the games we are supposed to lose and lose close games and the games we are supposed to win. We go on the road and get embarrassed and come home and get embarrassed.

Kubiak constantly talks of turning the corner as though there are still obstacles in his way. The first two years of his reign he spoke about his team and continued to talk about still needing a long way to go. It seems to me he is always looking for that perfect team instead of being able to coach the team that he has.

There is no perfect team. There will always be holes. What separates a good coach from a bad coach is being able to get more from less, or being able to make chicken salad from chicken turds.

This team has talent. How do you have OD, AJ, Slaton, Green, Walter, Leach and manage less than 100 yards for a game rushing and only 13 points?

I don't even know that he's a good OC. He didn't even call the plays in Denver.

Seems to me that he was more of a QB coach in Denver while Shanny ran the offense (kinda like the Shanny over here.) I guess he was a good QB coach, but guys like Steve Young and John Elway can make those duties look pretty easy.

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Get a proven winner in here NOW like Cowher or Marty. We win 11 games guaranteed with either of them leading the helm. Cowher will be a reach since he would have more attractive options but Marty is a guy we can get IMO. McNair needs to open up his warchest and spend some damn money on getting a proven coaching staff here NOW. FIX IT NOW!

Get a proven winner in here NOW like Cowher or Marty. We win 11 games guaranteed with either of them leading the helm. Cowher will be a reach since he would have more attractive options but Marty is a guy we can get IMO. McNair needs to open up his warchest and spend some damn money on getting a proven coaching staff here NOW. FIX IT NOW!

I see everyone throwing around Marty and Cowher, what are some other possible options? I remember wanting either Kubiak or Kirk Ferentz during the last coaching search, whats everyone's opinion on him, or are we not prepared to go with another first time NFL head coach? (Ferentz is the head coach at Iowa for those that don't know)

I don't even know that he's a good OC. He didn't even call the plays in Denver.

Seems to me that he was more of a QB coach in Denver while Shanny ran the offense (kinda like the Shanny over here.) I guess he was a good QB coach, but guys like Steve Young and John Elway can make those duties look pretty easy.

he had taken over playcalling when denver won it's superbowls and shanahan said kubiak deserves that credit for the broncos getting there.

What's wrong with this guy?
He has the same number of S/B rings as Cowher.
I'd bet he'd rebuild our defense

...wait, in order to be rebuilt, there had to be a structure to begin with...

He'd focus on defense.

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What's wrong with this guy?
He has the same number of S/B rings as Cowher.
I'd bet he'd rebuild our defense

...wait, in order to be rebuilt, there had to be a structure to begin with...

He'd focus on defense.

an offensive coach that couldnt put together an offense? billick has done something that kubiak hasnt shown to do however and that's build a stronger defensive staff or make them accountable. kubiak also didnt inherit ray lewis and the type of defensive talent that was already built to go to a superbowl http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/rav/1998.htm. we're not adding to that talent, we're drafting them.

Not me. Sage played awful, so this isn't me hanging this loss on Kubiak. But I find it funny that those who pledged allegiance to Kubiak, saying he can "get us to the promised land," are beginning to get a little irritated with Kubiak.

Not me. Sage played awful, so this isn't me hanging this loss on Kubiak. But I find it funny that those who pledged allegiance to Kubiak, saying he can "get us to the promised land," are beginning to get a little irritated with Kubiak.

This season is done.

I voted to get rid of him. We have seen the best that Kubiak is gonna give us.

We have talent on this team and it constantly gets misused week after week.

an offensive coach that couldnt put together an offense? billick has done something that kubiak hasnt shown to do however and that's build a stronger defensive staff or make them accountable. kubiak also didnt inherit ray lewis and the type of defensive talent that was already built to go to a superbowlhttp://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/rav/1998.htm. we're not adding to that talent, we're drafting them.

Fair enough.
So why do we expect playoff caliber performance if we know that we don't have playoff caliber personnel. As bad as our defense sucks, we can't afford any mistakes or turnovers.

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Fair enough. So why do we expect playoff caliber performance if we know that we don't have playoff caliber personnel

because we're fans and every year is "our year".

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As bad as our defense sucks, we can't afford any mistakes or turnovers.

that's the meat of it. we cant afford the turnovers and they're killing us. BUT we cant sit and "manage the game" because we dont have a defense yet. we cant put tony banks out there for 143 yards per game safely to a superbowl win. without a defense (of which we only inherited dunta robinson), we have to take excessive chances to put up points and because we also didnt inherit anything on the offensive side but pitts and johnson, we're in a tough situation to both build and be perfect at the same time. considering the points we're putting up with schaub, we're ahead of the curve on one side.

But we keep on drafting defense anyway and we keep signing defensive free agents to big contracts.

How many more years should it take to turn around a defense when it keeps getting addressed every single offseason?

start with dunta robinson, morlon greenwood, and travis johnson, dump and eat cap on almost everything casserly did on both sides of the ball, and you tell me. 3 seasons, who do you have? remember, you're replacing 9 starters on offense in the mean time (or starting sage/carr).

start with dunta robinson, morlon greenwood, and travis johnson, dump and eat cap on almost everything casserly did on both sides of the ball, and you tell me. 3 seasons, who do you have? remember, you're replacing 9 starters on offense in the mean time (or starting sage/carr).

I want to know how Casserly will be responsible for this team (barring a very un-Texan run) being worse than last year, how he was responsible for the team quitting today, and why he didn't let Kubiak use a time out or three at the end of the half today to help try to score.

Some of the talent level/lack of depth issues can be traced directly to Kubiak moves: wasted roster spots (Flanagan, Bedell, Black, Moulds, Weaver, etc.), trading two second round picks, and so on.

With so much of the roster turned over and the team still spiraling down hill, we may have to consider why Kubiak and Smith didn't keep more players from the 7-9 team.

The Capers/Casserly boogieman needs to be dropped; Kubiak has already opened his three envelopes.

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