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Schools set to shut across Sussex during strike

A STRIKE by teachers and council workers will grind the majority of public services to a halt, unions warn.

Teachers’ unions are warning parents to expect even more school closures on Thursday, July 10 than during the previous industrial action earlier this year as support staff are joining teachers on strike this time.

As well as the National Union of Teachers, Unison has also announced their members will be striking with GMB and Unite members also expected to join the strike once their ballots are counted later this week.

Senior union leaders are warning that the July 10 action could even surpass the General Strike of 1926 when 1.7 million workers downed tools.

Longer strikes in the autumn are also being threatened if the summer action does not reap results.

Unison said its members in England, Wales and Northern Ireland will walk out for 24 hours, with other unions set to announce a similar move in the coming week.

The union said that local government workers have been "condemned" to three consecutive years of pay freezes, followed by below-inflation rises in 2013 and 2014.

The Public and Commercial Services Union is also balloting its members over cuts in the civil service while thousands of midwives and maternity support staff are currently being consulted on whether they want a formal ballot for action.

Phil Clarke, East Sussex representative of the NUT, said the strike was likely to surpass the strike on March 26 this year, which affected tens of thousands of pupils across the county.

He said: “In terms of the NUT it will be the same broadly speaking as the last strike but with Unison and GMB also likely to be out, it will probably result in a higher level of school closures because of the support staff as well.

“Last time in Brighton and Hove schools were shut across the board last time anyway but in East Sussex it was not quite as high but there was still a very significant level of closures.

“We are still expected to work until 68 with an ever increasing workload.

“The pay situation is even worse for teachers than support staff because schools don’t even have to pass on the 1% pay rise to teachers, it’s at their discretion.

“With inflation, teachers have been suffering pay cuts for years.

“A key section of the public sector will not be operating on July 10, in fact the majority of the public sector will not be working.”

Unison strikers are likely to include teaching support staff, social workers, home carers and enforcement officers.

Alex Knutsen, Brighton branch secretary for Unison, said that workers were protesting over worsening conditions since the coalition government came into power.

He warned that without a response to next month’s strike, workers could take lengthier action in the autumn for a number of days.

He added: “This will be the biggest public sector strike in 30 years.

“Brighton and Hove workers were very strongly in favour of taking industrial action.

“We had 10,000 people marching through the city during the pension dispute three years ago and I would expect similar if not more this time around.”

“Parents should stay in contact with individual schools on how each one might be affected. “There will be more detailed information on the council’s website nearer the time.”

A Local Government Association spokesman said: "It is disappointing that Unison will be proceeding with strike action.

“Local government staff have worked wonders while councils have been tackling the biggest funding cuts in living memory and we have no doubt that many will still be at work on the day of strike action.”

Comments

Fight_Back
2:54pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Oh Please!!!! wrote…

Listen to you lot having a go at easy targets.

My wife is a primary teacher and works 12 hour days 5-6 days a week. 13 weeks holiday is a dream more like 6 which considering the hours she works is hard. I run my own business and would not treat my staff to the hours she does and certainly not to the abuse when gets from the pushy parents.

She does it because she loves the kids, YOUR KIDS, you don't deserve her or most of her colleagues, as far as I am concerned she should tell the LEA to shove the job and leave you lot festering in your own pool of bile with your kids being taught by what's left. Good luck to you all.

Oh and by the way although she contributes to her pension I am not looking forward to getting fat on it.

As for the only six weeks holiday - a huge amount of people have to commute to London ( thus paying £4.5k after tax to get to work ) and their days tend to start at 6am and they don't get home to approaching 8pm. Holidays = around 25 days as average.

Teachers are no worse off then most other people.

[quote][p][bold]Oh Please!!!![/bold] wrote:
Listen to you lot having a go at easy targets.
My wife is a primary teacher and works 12 hour days 5-6 days a week. 13 weeks holiday is a dream more like 6 which considering the hours she works is hard. I run my own business and would not treat my staff to the hours she does and certainly not to the abuse when gets from the pushy parents.
She does it because she loves the kids, YOUR KIDS, you don't deserve her or most of her colleagues, as far as I am concerned she should tell the LEA to shove the job and leave you lot festering in your own pool of bile with your kids being taught by what's left. Good luck to you all.
Oh and by the way although she contributes to her pension I am not looking forward to getting fat on it.[/p][/quote]As for the only six weeks holiday - a huge amount of people have to commute to London ( thus paying £4.5k after tax to get to work ) and their days tend to start at 6am and they don't get home to approaching 8pm. Holidays = around 25 days as average.
Teachers are no worse off then most other people.Fight_Back

Oh Please!!!! wrote…

Listen to you lot having a go at easy targets.

My wife is a primary teacher and works 12 hour days 5-6 days a week. 13 weeks holiday is a dream more like 6 which considering the hours she works is hard. I run my own business and would not treat my staff to the hours she does and certainly not to the abuse when gets from the pushy parents.

She does it because she loves the kids, YOUR KIDS, you don't deserve her or most of her colleagues, as far as I am concerned she should tell the LEA to shove the job and leave you lot festering in your own pool of bile with your kids being taught by what's left. Good luck to you all.

Oh and by the way although she contributes to her pension I am not looking forward to getting fat on it.

As for the only six weeks holiday - a huge amount of people have to commute to London ( thus paying £4.5k after tax to get to work ) and their days tend to start at 6am and they don't get home to approaching 8pm. Holidays = around 25 days as average.

Teachers are no worse off then most other people.

Score: 8

Number Six
1:12pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Every time Alex Knutson appears it's like an episode of "Life on Mars". It's as though I'm transported back to 1973 and in the words of a song of the time "It's Yesterday Once More"

Every time Alex Knutson appears it's like an episode of "Life on Mars". It's as though I'm transported back to 1973 and in the words of a song of the time "It's Yesterday Once More"Number Six

Every time Alex Knutson appears it's like an episode of "Life on Mars". It's as though I'm transported back to 1973 and in the words of a song of the time "It's Yesterday Once More"

Score: 1

Sussex jim
7:02am Tue 24 Jun 14

I have not had a pay rise for more than five years. As I run my own business the only way would be to charge my customers more, which is not viable in these austere times. There is no point in going on strike,of course.
It is time these public sector workers realised that the funds are just not there to pay them more. And they must consider themselves lucky when they retire on their index-linked pensions. Sooner or later there will come a time when the Government will be forced to default on their financial commitment, as the kitty will be empty.

I have not had a pay rise for more than five years. As I run my own business the only way would be to charge my customers more, which is not viable in these austere times. There is no point in going on strike,of course.
It is time these public sector workers realised that the funds are just not there to pay them more. And they must consider themselves lucky when they retire on their index-linked pensions. Sooner or later there will come a time when the Government will be forced to default on their financial commitment, as the kitty will be empty.Sussex jim

I have not had a pay rise for more than five years. As I run my own business the only way would be to charge my customers more, which is not viable in these austere times. There is no point in going on strike,of course.
It is time these public sector workers realised that the funds are just not there to pay them more. And they must consider themselves lucky when they retire on their index-linked pensions. Sooner or later there will come a time when the Government will be forced to default on their financial commitment, as the kitty will be empty.

Score: 24

qm
7:15am Tue 24 Jun 14

Thanks Jo ;)

Thanks Jo ;)qm

Thanks Jo ;)

Score: -4

Brightonlad86
7:36am Tue 24 Jun 14

Perhaps we should fine teachers for taking the days off during term time??

No payrise? We are all in the same boat!! Get over it!

Perhaps we should fine teachers for taking the days off during term time??
No payrise? We are all in the same boat!! Get over it!Brightonlad86

Perhaps we should fine teachers for taking the days off during term time??

No payrise? We are all in the same boat!! Get over it!

Score: 38

SonnyJim55
8:32am Tue 24 Jun 14

Here we go again...I have just read a story about a headteacher refusing a 9yr old boy 3 days off to attend his mothers wedding. And yet here we are again having to potentially take time off work ourselves so the poor teachers can have yet another day off moaning about their lot.
Strikes, 13 weeks holiday and extra bonus days off (otherwise known as Inset days), its a wonder the schools bother opening anymore!

Here we go again...I have just read a story about a headteacher refusing a 9yr old boy 3 days off to attend his mothers wedding. And yet here we are again having to potentially take time off work ourselves so the poor teachers can have yet another day off moaning about their lot.
Strikes, 13 weeks holiday and extra bonus days off (otherwise known as Inset days), its a wonder the schools bother opening anymore!SonnyJim55

Here we go again...I have just read a story about a headteacher refusing a 9yr old boy 3 days off to attend his mothers wedding. And yet here we are again having to potentially take time off work ourselves so the poor teachers can have yet another day off moaning about their lot.
Strikes, 13 weeks holiday and extra bonus days off (otherwise known as Inset days), its a wonder the schools bother opening anymore!

Score: 35

Fight_Back
10:09am Tue 24 Jun 14

Of course it was beyond them to strike a week later and thus affect pupils less by it being the last day of term ?

Of course it was beyond them to strike a week later and thus affect pupils less by it being the last day of term ?Fight_Back

Of course it was beyond them to strike a week later and thus affect pupils less by it being the last day of term ?

Score: 2

Old Ale Man
10:32am Tue 24 Jun 14

I saw the great unwashed marching along New Church Road last time they took a day off to strike, school teachers in my day used to attend school in a smart attire, most of them are a bunch of Loony lefty commy persons.

I saw the great unwashed marching along New Church Road last time they took a day off to strike, school teachers in my day used to attend school in a smart attire, most of them are a bunch of Loony lefty commy persons.Old Ale Man

I saw the great unwashed marching along New Church Road last time they took a day off to strike, school teachers in my day used to attend school in a smart attire, most of them are a bunch of Loony lefty commy persons.

Score: -2

monkeymoo
10:38am Tue 24 Jun 14

Sussex jim wrote…

I have not had a pay rise for more than five years. As I run my own business the only way would be to charge my customers more, which is not viable in these austere times. There is no point in going on strike,of course.
It is time these public sector workers realised that the funds are just not there to pay them more. And they must consider themselves lucky when they retire on their index-linked pensions. Sooner or later there will come a time when the Government will be forced to default on their financial commitment, as the kitty will be empty.

'Consider themselves luck when they retire'?

You do realise that public sector workers are not just 'handed' a pension when they retire don't you!?
They actually have to PAY for it like everyone else does.
I personally pay nearly £400 per month into my 'luxury' pension. This is over 14% of my wages.
If you compare my pension to that in the private sector, it's pretty much the same.

Don't become one of the sheep that believes what the government is telling you!

[quote][p][bold]Sussex jim[/bold] wrote:
I have not had a pay rise for more than five years. As I run my own business the only way would be to charge my customers more, which is not viable in these austere times. There is no point in going on strike,of course.
It is time these public sector workers realised that the funds are just not there to pay them more. And they must consider themselves lucky when they retire on their index-linked pensions. Sooner or later there will come a time when the Government will be forced to default on their financial commitment, as the kitty will be empty.[/p][/quote]'Consider themselves luck when they retire'?
You do realise that public sector workers are not just 'handed' a pension when they retire don't you!?
They actually have to PAY for it like everyone else does.
I personally pay nearly £400 per month into my 'luxury' pension. This is over 14% of my wages.
If you compare my pension to that in the private sector, it's pretty much the same.
Don't become one of the sheep that believes what the government is telling you!monkeymoo

Sussex jim wrote…

I have not had a pay rise for more than five years. As I run my own business the only way would be to charge my customers more, which is not viable in these austere times. There is no point in going on strike,of course.
It is time these public sector workers realised that the funds are just not there to pay them more. And they must consider themselves lucky when they retire on their index-linked pensions. Sooner or later there will come a time when the Government will be forced to default on their financial commitment, as the kitty will be empty.

'Consider themselves luck when they retire'?

You do realise that public sector workers are not just 'handed' a pension when they retire don't you!?
They actually have to PAY for it like everyone else does.
I personally pay nearly £400 per month into my 'luxury' pension. This is over 14% of my wages.
If you compare my pension to that in the private sector, it's pretty much the same.

Don't become one of the sheep that believes what the government is telling you!

Score: 5

From beer to uncertainty
10:58am Tue 24 Jun 14

Can't they just sack all of the media studies, drama studies, religious education and 'general studies' teachers and give the money to those that remain?
As with other comments: perhaps the next lesson the teachers give should be about hypocrisy?
I am sad that they too have been shafted in the government pension scam but they can't really take it out on future generations that will never see a pension whilst still paying for those that milked the system dry recently.

Can't they just sack all of the media studies, drama studies, religious education and 'general studies' teachers and give the money to those that remain?
As with other comments: perhaps the next lesson the teachers give should be about hypocrisy?
I am sad that they too have been shafted in the government pension scam but they can't really take it out on future generations that will never see a pension whilst still paying for those that milked the system dry recently.From beer to uncertainty

Can't they just sack all of the media studies, drama studies, religious education and 'general studies' teachers and give the money to those that remain?
As with other comments: perhaps the next lesson the teachers give should be about hypocrisy?
I am sad that they too have been shafted in the government pension scam but they can't really take it out on future generations that will never see a pension whilst still paying for those that milked the system dry recently.

Score: -10

rolivan
11:00am Tue 24 Jun 14

They can't be doing that bad as there are lots of Teachers with Holiday homes in France and other parts of Europe.

They can't be doing that bad as there are lots of Teachers with Holiday homes in France and other parts of Europe.rolivan

They can't be doing that bad as there are lots of Teachers with Holiday homes in France and other parts of Europe.

Score: 3

Alison Smith
11:48am Tue 24 Jun 14

Those who can do, those who can't strike.

Those who can do, those who can't strike.Alison Smith

Those who can do, those who can't strike.

Score: -8

Fight_Back
12:07pm Tue 24 Jun 14

So a direct question to the teachers. When the 13 weeks holiday that you get is pointed out the reply is always that teachers work through a vast part of the holidays. Striking is about withdrawing your labour and demonstrating using a picket line or having a march. Why not withdraw your labour on one of these holiday days you all claim to work on ?

Of course the real reason is to cause as much inconvenience to pupils, students and parents as possible despite your claims to the contrary.

So a direct question to the teachers. When the 13 weeks holiday that you get is pointed out the reply is always that teachers work through a vast part of the holidays. Striking is about withdrawing your labour and demonstrating using a picket line or having a march. Why not withdraw your labour on one of these holiday days you all claim to work on ?
Of course the real reason is to cause as much inconvenience to pupils, students and parents as possible despite your claims to the contrary.Fight_Back

So a direct question to the teachers. When the 13 weeks holiday that you get is pointed out the reply is always that teachers work through a vast part of the holidays. Striking is about withdrawing your labour and demonstrating using a picket line or having a march. Why not withdraw your labour on one of these holiday days you all claim to work on ?

Of course the real reason is to cause as much inconvenience to pupils, students and parents as possible despite your claims to the contrary.

Score: 8

Patsyr
11:13pm Tue 24 Jun 14

monkeymoo wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

monkeymoo wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

monkeymoo wrote…

Sussex jim wrote…

I have not had a pay rise for more than five years. As I run my own business the only way would be to charge my customers more, which is not viable in these austere times. There is no point in going on strike,of course.
It is time these public sector workers realised that the funds are just not there to pay them more. And they must consider themselves lucky when they retire on their index-linked pensions. Sooner or later there will come a time when the Government will be forced to default on their financial commitment, as the kitty will be empty.

'Consider themselves luck when they retire'?

You do realise that public sector workers are not just 'handed' a pension when they retire don't you!?
They actually have to PAY for it like everyone else does.
I personally pay nearly £400 per month into my 'luxury' pension. This is over 14% of my wages.
If you compare my pension to that in the private sector, it's pretty much the same.

Don't become one of the sheep that believes what the government is telling you!

You have £400 spare every month???

Quit moaning!!

Oh dear Stevo...!
I guess you really don't understand the point at all.......

I Get paid a wage for my job.
£400 is taken out of that wage per month, by the government, before i even get to see it.

So...
I am left with £0 per month spare (and struggle).
I am being asked to work many more years. (i guess so i can bail out the private sector banks?)
In return i will get a FRACTION (about 55%) of the pension i am owed.

If this is something YOU would be happy with, then i am amazed.

I hope i put this simply enough for you to understand (you do seem a bit stupid!).

You forgot to mention (in your haste to be abusive) the contribution the government (ie taxpayers) make towards your teaching pension.

The teachers' website on the matter informs all teachers that it is worth staying in this scheme (which is voluntary) because of the government contribution.

You failed to state why you are only getting 55% of what you claim you are owed...isn't is more a case of the rest of us being owed what the government contributes?

Finally, this pension is on top of the state pension. No-one is forcing you to have it.

Stevo!
In your haste to try to sound clever....
You assume that I am a teacher. I am Not!

Just so you are aware. The amount the government 'tops up' these public sector pensions, is the same amount they offer to 'top up' people in the private sector also.

Sadly, if you did some research, you would know this.

In relation to getting 55% of what i am owed:
I joined a scheme that asked me to pay a LARGE amount of my wages into it. (over 14%)
This entitled me to retire earlier, on the same (guaranteed) pension i would have had, if I had paid a smaller amount, for longer.
Now. The government want to increase my payments to 15% whilst ALSO making me work for an extra 10 years!
When i retire, they will only pay a pension of the original amount.
So I will essentially pay OVER £400 per month into a pension for 10 years, and gain nothing at the end of it.

SO,
In case you need help with this....
I will receive about 55% of my pension, that i have actually paid into, and that i am owed.

Where is this other money going i wonder? Oh yes...To help bail out the banks!

Hope that's clear enough for you.

You sound horrible and aggressive, not a very nice person I think.

Lets hope you are really clever and always understand what you are told. I am sure you will as I expect you are big headed as well as rude, impatient and aggressive. Wow, guess you must be near perfect - not.

[quote][p][bold]monkeymoo[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]monkeymoo[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]monkeymoo[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Sussex jim[/bold] wrote:
I have not had a pay rise for more than five years. As I run my own business the only way would be to charge my customers more, which is not viable in these austere times. There is no point in going on strike,of course.
It is time these public sector workers realised that the funds are just not there to pay them more. And they must consider themselves lucky when they retire on their index-linked pensions. Sooner or later there will come a time when the Government will be forced to default on their financial commitment, as the kitty will be empty.[/p][/quote]'Consider themselves luck when they retire'?
You do realise that public sector workers are not just 'handed' a pension when they retire don't you!?
They actually have to PAY for it like everyone else does.
I personally pay nearly £400 per month into my 'luxury' pension. This is over 14% of my wages.
If you compare my pension to that in the private sector, it's pretty much the same.
Don't become one of the sheep that believes what the government is telling you![/p][/quote]You have £400 spare every month???
Quit moaning!![/p][/quote]Oh dear Stevo...!
I guess you really don't understand the point at all.......
I Get paid a wage for my job.
£400 is taken out of that wage per month, by the government, before i even get to see it.
So...
I am left with £0 per month spare (and struggle).
I am being asked to work many more years. (i guess so i can bail out the private sector banks?)
In return i will get a FRACTION (about 55%) of the pension i am owed.
If this is something YOU would be happy with, then i am amazed.
I hope i put this simply enough for you to understand (you do seem a bit stupid!).[/p][/quote]You forgot to mention (in your haste to be abusive) the contribution the government (ie taxpayers) make towards your teaching pension.
The teachers' website on the matter informs all teachers that it is worth staying in this scheme (which is voluntary) because of the government contribution.
You failed to state why you are only getting 55% of what you claim you are owed...isn't is more a case of the rest of us being owed what the government contributes?
Finally, this pension is on top of the state pension. No-one is forcing you to have it.[/p][/quote]Stevo!
In your haste to try to sound clever....
You assume that I am a teacher. I am Not!
Just so you are aware. The amount the government 'tops up' these public sector pensions, is the same amount they offer to 'top up' people in the private sector also.
Sadly, if you did some research, you would know this.
In relation to getting 55% of what i am owed:
I joined a scheme that asked me to pay a LARGE amount of my wages into it. (over 14%)
This entitled me to retire earlier, on the same (guaranteed) pension i would have had, if I had paid a smaller amount, for longer.
Now. The government want to increase my payments to 15% whilst ALSO making me work for an extra 10 years!
When i retire, they will only pay a pension of the original amount.
So I will essentially pay OVER £400 per month into a pension for 10 years, and gain nothing at the end of it.
SO,
In case you need help with this....
I will receive about 55% of my pension, that i have actually paid into, and that i am owed.
Where is this other money going i wonder? Oh yes...To help bail out the banks!
Hope that's clear enough for you.[/p][/quote]You sound horrible and aggressive, not a very nice person I think.
Lets hope you are really clever and always understand what you are told. I am sure you will as I expect you are big headed as well as rude, impatient and aggressive. Wow, guess you must be near perfect - not.Patsyr

monkeymoo wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

monkeymoo wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

monkeymoo wrote…

Sussex jim wrote…

I have not had a pay rise for more than five years. As I run my own business the only way would be to charge my customers more, which is not viable in these austere times. There is no point in going on strike,of course.
It is time these public sector workers realised that the funds are just not there to pay them more. And they must consider themselves lucky when they retire on their index-linked pensions. Sooner or later there will come a time when the Government will be forced to default on their financial commitment, as the kitty will be empty.

'Consider themselves luck when they retire'?

You do realise that public sector workers are not just 'handed' a pension when they retire don't you!?
They actually have to PAY for it like everyone else does.
I personally pay nearly £400 per month into my 'luxury' pension. This is over 14% of my wages.
If you compare my pension to that in the private sector, it's pretty much the same.

Don't become one of the sheep that believes what the government is telling you!

You have £400 spare every month???

Quit moaning!!

Oh dear Stevo...!
I guess you really don't understand the point at all.......

I Get paid a wage for my job.
£400 is taken out of that wage per month, by the government, before i even get to see it.

So...
I am left with £0 per month spare (and struggle).
I am being asked to work many more years. (i guess so i can bail out the private sector banks?)
In return i will get a FRACTION (about 55%) of the pension i am owed.

If this is something YOU would be happy with, then i am amazed.

I hope i put this simply enough for you to understand (you do seem a bit stupid!).

You forgot to mention (in your haste to be abusive) the contribution the government (ie taxpayers) make towards your teaching pension.

The teachers' website on the matter informs all teachers that it is worth staying in this scheme (which is voluntary) because of the government contribution.

You failed to state why you are only getting 55% of what you claim you are owed...isn't is more a case of the rest of us being owed what the government contributes?

Finally, this pension is on top of the state pension. No-one is forcing you to have it.

Stevo!
In your haste to try to sound clever....
You assume that I am a teacher. I am Not!

Just so you are aware. The amount the government 'tops up' these public sector pensions, is the same amount they offer to 'top up' people in the private sector also.

Sadly, if you did some research, you would know this.

In relation to getting 55% of what i am owed:
I joined a scheme that asked me to pay a LARGE amount of my wages into it. (over 14%)
This entitled me to retire earlier, on the same (guaranteed) pension i would have had, if I had paid a smaller amount, for longer.
Now. The government want to increase my payments to 15% whilst ALSO making me work for an extra 10 years!
When i retire, they will only pay a pension of the original amount.
So I will essentially pay OVER £400 per month into a pension for 10 years, and gain nothing at the end of it.

SO,
In case you need help with this....
I will receive about 55% of my pension, that i have actually paid into, and that i am owed.

Where is this other money going i wonder? Oh yes...To help bail out the banks!

Hope that's clear enough for you.

You sound horrible and aggressive, not a very nice person I think.

Lets hope you are really clever and always understand what you are told. I am sure you will as I expect you are big headed as well as rude, impatient and aggressive. Wow, guess you must be near perfect - not.

Score: -1

FatherTed11
1:10pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Sell the iPads perhaps?

Sell the iPads perhaps?FatherTed11

Sell the iPads perhaps?

Score: 3

stevo!!
2:02pm Tue 24 Jun 14

monkeymoo wrote…

Sussex jim wrote…

I have not had a pay rise for more than five years. As I run my own business the only way would be to charge my customers more, which is not viable in these austere times. There is no point in going on strike,of course.
It is time these public sector workers realised that the funds are just not there to pay them more. And they must consider themselves lucky when they retire on their index-linked pensions. Sooner or later there will come a time when the Government will be forced to default on their financial commitment, as the kitty will be empty.

'Consider themselves luck when they retire'?

You do realise that public sector workers are not just 'handed' a pension when they retire don't you!?
They actually have to PAY for it like everyone else does.
I personally pay nearly £400 per month into my 'luxury' pension. This is over 14% of my wages.
If you compare my pension to that in the private sector, it's pretty much the same.

Don't become one of the sheep that believes what the government is telling you!

You have £400 spare every month???

Quit moaning!!

[quote][p][bold]monkeymoo[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Sussex jim[/bold] wrote:
I have not had a pay rise for more than five years. As I run my own business the only way would be to charge my customers more, which is not viable in these austere times. There is no point in going on strike,of course.
It is time these public sector workers realised that the funds are just not there to pay them more. And they must consider themselves lucky when they retire on their index-linked pensions. Sooner or later there will come a time when the Government will be forced to default on their financial commitment, as the kitty will be empty.[/p][/quote]'Consider themselves luck when they retire'?
You do realise that public sector workers are not just 'handed' a pension when they retire don't you!?
They actually have to PAY for it like everyone else does.
I personally pay nearly £400 per month into my 'luxury' pension. This is over 14% of my wages.
If you compare my pension to that in the private sector, it's pretty much the same.
Don't become one of the sheep that believes what the government is telling you![/p][/quote]You have £400 spare every month???
Quit moaning!!stevo!!

monkeymoo wrote…

Sussex jim wrote…

I have not had a pay rise for more than five years. As I run my own business the only way would be to charge my customers more, which is not viable in these austere times. There is no point in going on strike,of course.
It is time these public sector workers realised that the funds are just not there to pay them more. And they must consider themselves lucky when they retire on their index-linked pensions. Sooner or later there will come a time when the Government will be forced to default on their financial commitment, as the kitty will be empty.

'Consider themselves luck when they retire'?

You do realise that public sector workers are not just 'handed' a pension when they retire don't you!?
They actually have to PAY for it like everyone else does.
I personally pay nearly £400 per month into my 'luxury' pension. This is over 14% of my wages.
If you compare my pension to that in the private sector, it's pretty much the same.

Don't become one of the sheep that believes what the government is telling you!

You have £400 spare every month???

Quit moaning!!

Score: 9

Oh Please!!!!
2:27pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Listen to you lot having a go at easy targets.

My wife is a primary teacher and works 12 hour days 5-6 days a week. 13 weeks holiday is a dream more like 6 which considering the hours she works is hard. I run my own business and would not treat my staff to the hours she does and certainly not to the abuse when gets from the pushy parents.

She does it because she loves the kids, YOUR KIDS, you don't deserve her or most of her colleagues, as far as I am concerned she should tell the LEA to shove the job and leave you lot festering in your own pool of bile with your kids being taught by what's left. Good luck to you all.

Oh and by the way although she contributes to her pension I am not looking forward to getting fat on it.

Listen to you lot having a go at easy targets.
My wife is a primary teacher and works 12 hour days 5-6 days a week. 13 weeks holiday is a dream more like 6 which considering the hours she works is hard. I run my own business and would not treat my staff to the hours she does and certainly not to the abuse when gets from the pushy parents.
She does it because she loves the kids, YOUR KIDS, you don't deserve her or most of her colleagues, as far as I am concerned she should tell the LEA to shove the job and leave you lot festering in your own pool of bile with your kids being taught by what's left. Good luck to you all.
Oh and by the way although she contributes to her pension I am not looking forward to getting fat on it.Oh Please!!!!

Listen to you lot having a go at easy targets.

My wife is a primary teacher and works 12 hour days 5-6 days a week. 13 weeks holiday is a dream more like 6 which considering the hours she works is hard. I run my own business and would not treat my staff to the hours she does and certainly not to the abuse when gets from the pushy parents.

She does it because she loves the kids, YOUR KIDS, you don't deserve her or most of her colleagues, as far as I am concerned she should tell the LEA to shove the job and leave you lot festering in your own pool of bile with your kids being taught by what's left. Good luck to you all.

Oh and by the way although she contributes to her pension I am not looking forward to getting fat on it.

Score: 14

DCCCCCC
6:57pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Oh Please!!!! wrote…

Listen to you lot having a go at easy targets.

My wife is a primary teacher and works 12 hour days 5-6 days a week. 13 weeks holiday is a dream more like 6 which considering the hours she works is hard. I run my own business and would not treat my staff to the hours she does and certainly not to the abuse when gets from the pushy parents.

She does it because she loves the kids, YOUR KIDS, you don't deserve her or most of her colleagues, as far as I am concerned she should tell the LEA to shove the job and leave you lot festering in your own pool of bile with your kids being taught by what's left. Good luck to you all.

Oh and by the way although she contributes to her pension I am not looking forward to getting fat on it.

I can't be bothered to waste my time arguing with the moronic teacher haters on here who think they know what a teachers job entails and of course, all work so much harder and have it so much worse than teachers. Just because their kids attend school 8.30 to 3 and get 13 weeks holiday a year, they are thick enough to actually think teachers do. And they think that teachers introduced the policy around kids taking time off during term time. Just shows how naive and stupid people are. Know it alls when in fact they know nothing.

[quote][p][bold]Oh Please!!!![/bold] wrote:
Listen to you lot having a go at easy targets.
My wife is a primary teacher and works 12 hour days 5-6 days a week. 13 weeks holiday is a dream more like 6 which considering the hours she works is hard. I run my own business and would not treat my staff to the hours she does and certainly not to the abuse when gets from the pushy parents.
She does it because she loves the kids, YOUR KIDS, you don't deserve her or most of her colleagues, as far as I am concerned she should tell the LEA to shove the job and leave you lot festering in your own pool of bile with your kids being taught by what's left. Good luck to you all.
Oh and by the way although she contributes to her pension I am not looking forward to getting fat on it.[/p][/quote]I can't be bothered to waste my time arguing with the moronic teacher haters on here who think they know what a teachers job entails and of course, all work so much harder and have it so much worse than teachers. Just because their kids attend school 8.30 to 3 and get 13 weeks holiday a year, they are thick enough to actually think teachers do. And they think that teachers introduced the policy around kids taking time off during term time. Just shows how naive and stupid people are. Know it alls when in fact they know nothing.DCCCCCC

Oh Please!!!! wrote…

Listen to you lot having a go at easy targets.

My wife is a primary teacher and works 12 hour days 5-6 days a week. 13 weeks holiday is a dream more like 6 which considering the hours she works is hard. I run my own business and would not treat my staff to the hours she does and certainly not to the abuse when gets from the pushy parents.

She does it because she loves the kids, YOUR KIDS, you don't deserve her or most of her colleagues, as far as I am concerned she should tell the LEA to shove the job and leave you lot festering in your own pool of bile with your kids being taught by what's left. Good luck to you all.

Oh and by the way although she contributes to her pension I am not looking forward to getting fat on it.

I can't be bothered to waste my time arguing with the moronic teacher haters on here who think they know what a teachers job entails and of course, all work so much harder and have it so much worse than teachers. Just because their kids attend school 8.30 to 3 and get 13 weeks holiday a year, they are thick enough to actually think teachers do. And they think that teachers introduced the policy around kids taking time off during term time. Just shows how naive and stupid people are. Know it alls when in fact they know nothing.

Score: 8

Fight_Back
2:51pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Oh Please!!!! wrote…

Listen to you lot having a go at easy targets.

My wife is a primary teacher and works 12 hour days 5-6 days a week. 13 weeks holiday is a dream more like 6 which considering the hours she works is hard. I run my own business and would not treat my staff to the hours she does and certainly not to the abuse when gets from the pushy parents.

She does it because she loves the kids, YOUR KIDS, you don't deserve her or most of her colleagues, as far as I am concerned she should tell the LEA to shove the job and leave you lot festering in your own pool of bile with your kids being taught by what's left. Good luck to you all.

Oh and by the way although she contributes to her pension I am not looking forward to getting fat on it.

OK, so she works 60-72 hours a week ? Has she signed out of the Working Time Directive - it's not part of the standard teachers contract so she will have had to done it separately.

[quote][p][bold]Oh Please!!!![/bold] wrote:
Listen to you lot having a go at easy targets.
My wife is a primary teacher and works 12 hour days 5-6 days a week. 13 weeks holiday is a dream more like 6 which considering the hours she works is hard. I run my own business and would not treat my staff to the hours she does and certainly not to the abuse when gets from the pushy parents.
She does it because she loves the kids, YOUR KIDS, you don't deserve her or most of her colleagues, as far as I am concerned she should tell the LEA to shove the job and leave you lot festering in your own pool of bile with your kids being taught by what's left. Good luck to you all.
Oh and by the way although she contributes to her pension I am not looking forward to getting fat on it.[/p][/quote]OK, so she works 60-72 hours a week ? Has she signed out of the Working Time Directive - it's not part of the standard teachers contract so she will have had to done it separately.Fight_Back

Oh Please!!!! wrote…

Listen to you lot having a go at easy targets.

My wife is a primary teacher and works 12 hour days 5-6 days a week. 13 weeks holiday is a dream more like 6 which considering the hours she works is hard. I run my own business and would not treat my staff to the hours she does and certainly not to the abuse when gets from the pushy parents.

She does it because she loves the kids, YOUR KIDS, you don't deserve her or most of her colleagues, as far as I am concerned she should tell the LEA to shove the job and leave you lot festering in your own pool of bile with your kids being taught by what's left. Good luck to you all.

Oh and by the way although she contributes to her pension I am not looking forward to getting fat on it.

OK, so she works 60-72 hours a week ? Has she signed out of the Working Time Directive - it's not part of the standard teachers contract so she will have had to done it separately.

Score: -4

stevo!!
3:02pm Tue 24 Jun 14

" Longer strikes in the autumn are also being threatened if the summer action does not reap results."

So they'll strike until they get what they want.

Are they aware that they are basically campaigning on behalf of the Tories for the next general Election? This is exactly what happened in the Winter Of Discontent.

"The union said that local government workers have been "condemned" to three consecutive years of pay freezes, followed by below-inflation rises in 2013 and 2014. "

So they've started to get wage increases these past two years now that more funds are available.

And these people claim to be educated??

" Longer strikes in the autumn are also being threatened if the summer action does not reap results."
So they'll strike until they get what they want.
Are they aware that they are basically campaigning on behalf of the Tories for the next general Election? This is exactly what happened in the Winter Of Discontent.
"The union said that local government workers have been "condemned" to three consecutive years of pay freezes, followed by below-inflation rises in 2013 and 2014. "
So they've started to get wage increases these past two years now that more funds are available.
And these people claim to be educated??stevo!!

" Longer strikes in the autumn are also being threatened if the summer action does not reap results."

So they'll strike until they get what they want.

Are they aware that they are basically campaigning on behalf of the Tories for the next general Election? This is exactly what happened in the Winter Of Discontent.

"The union said that local government workers have been "condemned" to three consecutive years of pay freezes, followed by below-inflation rises in 2013 and 2014. "

So they've started to get wage increases these past two years now that more funds are available.

And these people claim to be educated??

Score: -5

rolivan
3:35pm Tue 24 Jun 14

So as most Schools operate for about 195 days of the year that leaves 170 for Holidays and marking and preparing School work . Sorry if they get "only" 6 weeks of Holiday they still have 128 days for the marking and prep work . I think when you break it down like this it shows the real picture.

So as most Schools operate for about 195 days of the year that leaves 170 for Holidays and marking and preparing School work . Sorry if they get "only" 6 weeks of Holiday they still have 128 days for the marking and prep work . I think when you break it down like this it shows the real picture.rolivan

So as most Schools operate for about 195 days of the year that leaves 170 for Holidays and marking and preparing School work . Sorry if they get "only" 6 weeks of Holiday they still have 128 days for the marking and prep work . I think when you break it down like this it shows the real picture.

Score: 1

monkeymoo
3:47pm Tue 24 Jun 14

stevo!! wrote…

monkeymoo wrote…

Sussex jim wrote…

I have not had a pay rise for more than five years. As I run my own business the only way would be to charge my customers more, which is not viable in these austere times. There is no point in going on strike,of course.
It is time these public sector workers realised that the funds are just not there to pay them more. And they must consider themselves lucky when they retire on their index-linked pensions. Sooner or later there will come a time when the Government will be forced to default on their financial commitment, as the kitty will be empty.

'Consider themselves luck when they retire'?

You do realise that public sector workers are not just 'handed' a pension when they retire don't you!?
They actually have to PAY for it like everyone else does.
I personally pay nearly £400 per month into my 'luxury' pension. This is over 14% of my wages.
If you compare my pension to that in the private sector, it's pretty much the same.

Don't become one of the sheep that believes what the government is telling you!

You have £400 spare every month???

Quit moaning!!

Oh dear Stevo...!
I guess you really don't understand the point at all.......

I Get paid a wage for my job.
£400 is taken out of that wage per month, by the government, before i even get to see it.

So...
I am left with £0 per month spare (and struggle).
I am being asked to work many more years. (i guess so i can bail out the private sector banks?)
In return i will get a FRACTION (about 55%) of the pension i am owed.

If this is something YOU would be happy with, then i am amazed.

I hope i put this simply enough for you to understand (you do seem a bit stupid!).

[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]monkeymoo[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Sussex jim[/bold] wrote:
I have not had a pay rise for more than five years. As I run my own business the only way would be to charge my customers more, which is not viable in these austere times. There is no point in going on strike,of course.
It is time these public sector workers realised that the funds are just not there to pay them more. And they must consider themselves lucky when they retire on their index-linked pensions. Sooner or later there will come a time when the Government will be forced to default on their financial commitment, as the kitty will be empty.[/p][/quote]'Consider themselves luck when they retire'?
You do realise that public sector workers are not just 'handed' a pension when they retire don't you!?
They actually have to PAY for it like everyone else does.
I personally pay nearly £400 per month into my 'luxury' pension. This is over 14% of my wages.
If you compare my pension to that in the private sector, it's pretty much the same.
Don't become one of the sheep that believes what the government is telling you![/p][/quote]You have £400 spare every month???
Quit moaning!![/p][/quote]Oh dear Stevo...!
I guess you really don't understand the point at all.......
I Get paid a wage for my job.
£400 is taken out of that wage per month, by the government, before i even get to see it.
So...
I am left with £0 per month spare (and struggle).
I am being asked to work many more years. (i guess so i can bail out the private sector banks?)
In return i will get a FRACTION (about 55%) of the pension i am owed.
If this is something YOU would be happy with, then i am amazed.
I hope i put this simply enough for you to understand (you do seem a bit stupid!).monkeymoo

stevo!! wrote…

monkeymoo wrote…

Sussex jim wrote…

I have not had a pay rise for more than five years. As I run my own business the only way would be to charge my customers more, which is not viable in these austere times. There is no point in going on strike,of course.
It is time these public sector workers realised that the funds are just not there to pay them more. And they must consider themselves lucky when they retire on their index-linked pensions. Sooner or later there will come a time when the Government will be forced to default on their financial commitment, as the kitty will be empty.

'Consider themselves luck when they retire'?

You do realise that public sector workers are not just 'handed' a pension when they retire don't you!?
They actually have to PAY for it like everyone else does.
I personally pay nearly £400 per month into my 'luxury' pension. This is over 14% of my wages.
If you compare my pension to that in the private sector, it's pretty much the same.

Don't become one of the sheep that believes what the government is telling you!

You have £400 spare every month???

Quit moaning!!

Oh dear Stevo...!
I guess you really don't understand the point at all.......

I Get paid a wage for my job.
£400 is taken out of that wage per month, by the government, before i even get to see it.

So...
I am left with £0 per month spare (and struggle).
I am being asked to work many more years. (i guess so i can bail out the private sector banks?)
In return i will get a FRACTION (about 55%) of the pension i am owed.

If this is something YOU would be happy with, then i am amazed.

I hope i put this simply enough for you to understand (you do seem a bit stupid!).

Score: 7

stevo!!
7:53pm Tue 24 Jun 14

"So much wrong and incorrect with your comment...I really cant be bothered to explain it all to you......."

That means you can't.

Shame....we'll never know where that 55% came from....
"

.....and i doubt you'd understand it anyway."

Classic cop-out, but totally in line with your earlier comments about my intelligence.

Funny how I'M the one who can explain my own posts.....

"So much wrong and incorrect with your comment...I really cant be bothered to explain it all to you......."
That means you can't.
Shame....we'll never know where that 55% came from....
"
.....and i doubt you'd understand it anyway."
Classic cop-out, but totally in line with your earlier comments about my intelligence.
Funny how I'M the one who can explain my own posts.....stevo!!

"So much wrong and incorrect with your comment...I really cant be bothered to explain it all to you......."

That means you can't.

Shame....we'll never know where that 55% came from....
"

.....and i doubt you'd understand it anyway."

Classic cop-out, but totally in line with your earlier comments about my intelligence.

Funny how I'M the one who can explain my own posts.....

Score: -3

monkeymoo
3:54pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Interesting how the government has managed to turn everyone against each other (divide and conquer).

Surely,
EVERYONE works hard.
EVERYONE deserves to enjoy the pension they have paid into.
EVERYONE wants to have a good NHS
EVERYONE wants to have their children taught by good teachers.
EVERYONE wants to be rescued from a fire / car crash should it happen.
EVERYONE wants to see a police officer when in need of one.

SO why is EVERYONE against the people who provide these services?

Direct your anger at the people who CAUSED this problem.
THE GOVERNMENT and their best friends THE BANKS!

It wasn't the Public sector that brought this country to its knees......
But it seems to be them that has to pay for it!

Interesting how the government has managed to turn everyone against each other (divide and conquer).
Surely,
EVERYONE works hard.
EVERYONE deserves to enjoy the pension they have paid into.
EVERYONE wants to have a good NHS
EVERYONE wants to have their children taught by good teachers.
EVERYONE wants to be rescued from a fire / car crash should it happen.
EVERYONE wants to see a police officer when in need of one.
SO why is EVERYONE against the people who provide these services?
Direct your anger at the people who CAUSED this problem.
THE GOVERNMENT and their best friends THE BANKS!
It wasn't the Public sector that brought this country to its knees......
But it seems to be them that has to pay for it!monkeymoo

Interesting how the government has managed to turn everyone against each other (divide and conquer).

Surely,
EVERYONE works hard.
EVERYONE deserves to enjoy the pension they have paid into.
EVERYONE wants to have a good NHS
EVERYONE wants to have their children taught by good teachers.
EVERYONE wants to be rescued from a fire / car crash should it happen.
EVERYONE wants to see a police officer when in need of one.

SO why is EVERYONE against the people who provide these services?

Direct your anger at the people who CAUSED this problem.
THE GOVERNMENT and their best friends THE BANKS!

It wasn't the Public sector that brought this country to its knees......
But it seems to be them that has to pay for it!

Score: 21

fredaj
8:10pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Oh Please!!!! wrote…

Listen to you lot having a go at easy targets.

My wife is a primary teacher and works 12 hour days 5-6 days a week. 13 weeks holiday is a dream more like 6 which considering the hours she works is hard. I run my own business and would not treat my staff to the hours she does and certainly not to the abuse when gets from the pushy parents.

She does it because she loves the kids, YOUR KIDS, you don't deserve her or most of her colleagues, as far as I am concerned she should tell the LEA to shove the job and leave you lot festering in your own pool of bile with your kids being taught by what's left. Good luck to you all.

Oh and by the way although she contributes to her pension I am not looking forward to getting fat on it.

A Primary School teacher working 60-72 hours a week! Week in, week out? Year on year on year?

Doing what?

[quote][p][bold]Oh Please!!!![/bold] wrote:
Listen to you lot having a go at easy targets.
My wife is a primary teacher and works 12 hour days 5-6 days a week. 13 weeks holiday is a dream more like 6 which considering the hours she works is hard. I run my own business and would not treat my staff to the hours she does and certainly not to the abuse when gets from the pushy parents.
She does it because she loves the kids, YOUR KIDS, you don't deserve her or most of her colleagues, as far as I am concerned she should tell the LEA to shove the job and leave you lot festering in your own pool of bile with your kids being taught by what's left. Good luck to you all.
Oh and by the way although she contributes to her pension I am not looking forward to getting fat on it.[/p][/quote]A Primary School teacher working 60-72 hours a week! Week in, week out? Year on year on year?
Doing what?fredaj

Oh Please!!!! wrote…

Listen to you lot having a go at easy targets.

My wife is a primary teacher and works 12 hour days 5-6 days a week. 13 weeks holiday is a dream more like 6 which considering the hours she works is hard. I run my own business and would not treat my staff to the hours she does and certainly not to the abuse when gets from the pushy parents.

She does it because she loves the kids, YOUR KIDS, you don't deserve her or most of her colleagues, as far as I am concerned she should tell the LEA to shove the job and leave you lot festering in your own pool of bile with your kids being taught by what's left. Good luck to you all.

Oh and by the way although she contributes to her pension I am not looking forward to getting fat on it.

A Primary School teacher working 60-72 hours a week! Week in, week out? Year on year on year?

Doing what?

Score: -2

hyram77
5:22pm Tue 24 Jun 14

It's like everything in life.... you get what you pay for. If the government wants to offer a very average salary and perks for very important roles they will get very average people applying for those jobs. Longer term the education of our children will suffer. My children attend a fee paying school and funnily enough the teachers there won't be on strike!

It's like everything in life.... you get what you pay for. If the government wants to offer a very average salary and perks for very important roles they will get very average people applying for those jobs. Longer term the education of our children will suffer. My children attend a fee paying school and funnily enough the teachers there won't be on strike!hyram77

It's like everything in life.... you get what you pay for. If the government wants to offer a very average salary and perks for very important roles they will get very average people applying for those jobs. Longer term the education of our children will suffer. My children attend a fee paying school and funnily enough the teachers there won't be on strike!

Score: -1

stevo!!
5:27pm Tue 24 Jun 14

monkeymoo wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

monkeymoo wrote…

Sussex jim wrote…

I have not had a pay rise for more than five years. As I run my own business the only way would be to charge my customers more, which is not viable in these austere times. There is no point in going on strike,of course.
It is time these public sector workers realised that the funds are just not there to pay them more. And they must consider themselves lucky when they retire on their index-linked pensions. Sooner or later there will come a time when the Government will be forced to default on their financial commitment, as the kitty will be empty.

'Consider themselves luck when they retire'?

You do realise that public sector workers are not just 'handed' a pension when they retire don't you!?
They actually have to PAY for it like everyone else does.
I personally pay nearly £400 per month into my 'luxury' pension. This is over 14% of my wages.
If you compare my pension to that in the private sector, it's pretty much the same.

Don't become one of the sheep that believes what the government is telling you!

You have £400 spare every month???

Quit moaning!!

Oh dear Stevo...!
I guess you really don't understand the point at all.......

I Get paid a wage for my job.
£400 is taken out of that wage per month, by the government, before i even get to see it.

So...
I am left with £0 per month spare (and struggle).
I am being asked to work many more years. (i guess so i can bail out the private sector banks?)
In return i will get a FRACTION (about 55%) of the pension i am owed.

If this is something YOU would be happy with, then i am amazed.

I hope i put this simply enough for you to understand (you do seem a bit stupid!).

You forgot to mention (in your haste to be abusive) the contribution the government (ie taxpayers) make towards your teaching pension.

The teachers' website on the matter informs all teachers that it is worth staying in this scheme (which is voluntary) because of the government contribution.

You failed to state why you are only getting 55% of what you claim you are owed...isn't is more a case of the rest of us being owed what the government contributes?

Finally, this pension is on top of the state pension. No-one is forcing you to have it.

[quote][p][bold]monkeymoo[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]monkeymoo[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Sussex jim[/bold] wrote:
I have not had a pay rise for more than five years. As I run my own business the only way would be to charge my customers more, which is not viable in these austere times. There is no point in going on strike,of course.
It is time these public sector workers realised that the funds are just not there to pay them more. And they must consider themselves lucky when they retire on their index-linked pensions. Sooner or later there will come a time when the Government will be forced to default on their financial commitment, as the kitty will be empty.[/p][/quote]'Consider themselves luck when they retire'?
You do realise that public sector workers are not just 'handed' a pension when they retire don't you!?
They actually have to PAY for it like everyone else does.
I personally pay nearly £400 per month into my 'luxury' pension. This is over 14% of my wages.
If you compare my pension to that in the private sector, it's pretty much the same.
Don't become one of the sheep that believes what the government is telling you![/p][/quote]You have £400 spare every month???
Quit moaning!![/p][/quote]Oh dear Stevo...!
I guess you really don't understand the point at all.......
I Get paid a wage for my job.
£400 is taken out of that wage per month, by the government, before i even get to see it.
So...
I am left with £0 per month spare (and struggle).
I am being asked to work many more years. (i guess so i can bail out the private sector banks?)
In return i will get a FRACTION (about 55%) of the pension i am owed.
If this is something YOU would be happy with, then i am amazed.
I hope i put this simply enough for you to understand (you do seem a bit stupid!).[/p][/quote]You forgot to mention (in your haste to be abusive) the contribution the government (ie taxpayers) make towards your teaching pension.
The teachers' website on the matter informs all teachers that it is worth staying in this scheme (which is voluntary) because of the government contribution.
You failed to state why you are only getting 55% of what you claim you are owed...isn't is more a case of the rest of us being owed what the government contributes?
Finally, this pension is on top of the state pension. No-one is forcing you to have it.stevo!!

monkeymoo wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

monkeymoo wrote…

Sussex jim wrote…

I have not had a pay rise for more than five years. As I run my own business the only way would be to charge my customers more, which is not viable in these austere times. There is no point in going on strike,of course.
It is time these public sector workers realised that the funds are just not there to pay them more. And they must consider themselves lucky when they retire on their index-linked pensions. Sooner or later there will come a time when the Government will be forced to default on their financial commitment, as the kitty will be empty.

'Consider themselves luck when they retire'?

You do realise that public sector workers are not just 'handed' a pension when they retire don't you!?
They actually have to PAY for it like everyone else does.
I personally pay nearly £400 per month into my 'luxury' pension. This is over 14% of my wages.
If you compare my pension to that in the private sector, it's pretty much the same.

Don't become one of the sheep that believes what the government is telling you!

You have £400 spare every month???

Quit moaning!!

Oh dear Stevo...!
I guess you really don't understand the point at all.......

I Get paid a wage for my job.
£400 is taken out of that wage per month, by the government, before i even get to see it.

So...
I am left with £0 per month spare (and struggle).
I am being asked to work many more years. (i guess so i can bail out the private sector banks?)
In return i will get a FRACTION (about 55%) of the pension i am owed.

If this is something YOU would be happy with, then i am amazed.

I hope i put this simply enough for you to understand (you do seem a bit stupid!).

You forgot to mention (in your haste to be abusive) the contribution the government (ie taxpayers) make towards your teaching pension.

The teachers' website on the matter informs all teachers that it is worth staying in this scheme (which is voluntary) because of the government contribution.

You failed to state why you are only getting 55% of what you claim you are owed...isn't is more a case of the rest of us being owed what the government contributes?

Finally, this pension is on top of the state pension. No-one is forcing you to have it.

Score: -4

monkeymoo
6:02pm Tue 24 Jun 14

stevo!! wrote…

monkeymoo wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

monkeymoo wrote…

Sussex jim wrote…

I have not had a pay rise for more than five years. As I run my own business the only way would be to charge my customers more, which is not viable in these austere times. There is no point in going on strike,of course.
It is time these public sector workers realised that the funds are just not there to pay them more. And they must consider themselves lucky when they retire on their index-linked pensions. Sooner or later there will come a time when the Government will be forced to default on their financial commitment, as the kitty will be empty.

'Consider themselves luck when they retire'?

You do realise that public sector workers are not just 'handed' a pension when they retire don't you!?
They actually have to PAY for it like everyone else does.
I personally pay nearly £400 per month into my 'luxury' pension. This is over 14% of my wages.
If you compare my pension to that in the private sector, it's pretty much the same.

Don't become one of the sheep that believes what the government is telling you!

You have £400 spare every month???

Quit moaning!!

Oh dear Stevo...!
I guess you really don't understand the point at all.......

I Get paid a wage for my job.
£400 is taken out of that wage per month, by the government, before i even get to see it.

So...
I am left with £0 per month spare (and struggle).
I am being asked to work many more years. (i guess so i can bail out the private sector banks?)
In return i will get a FRACTION (about 55%) of the pension i am owed.

If this is something YOU would be happy with, then i am amazed.

I hope i put this simply enough for you to understand (you do seem a bit stupid!).

You forgot to mention (in your haste to be abusive) the contribution the government (ie taxpayers) make towards your teaching pension.

The teachers' website on the matter informs all teachers that it is worth staying in this scheme (which is voluntary) because of the government contribution.

You failed to state why you are only getting 55% of what you claim you are owed...isn't is more a case of the rest of us being owed what the government contributes?

Finally, this pension is on top of the state pension. No-one is forcing you to have it.

Stevo!
In your haste to try to sound clever....
You assume that I am a teacher. I am Not!

Just so you are aware. The amount the government 'tops up' these public sector pensions, is the same amount they offer to 'top up' people in the private sector also.

Sadly, if you did some research, you would know this.

In relation to getting 55% of what i am owed:
I joined a scheme that asked me to pay a LARGE amount of my wages into it. (over 14%)
This entitled me to retire earlier, on the same (guaranteed) pension i would have had, if I had paid a smaller amount, for longer.
Now. The government want to increase my payments to 15% whilst ALSO making me work for an extra 10 years!
When i retire, they will only pay a pension of the original amount.
So I will essentially pay OVER £400 per month into a pension for 10 years, and gain nothing at the end of it.

SO,
In case you need help with this....
I will receive about 55% of my pension, that i have actually paid into, and that i am owed.

Where is this other money going i wonder? Oh yes...To help bail out the banks!

Hope that's clear enough for you.

[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]monkeymoo[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]monkeymoo[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Sussex jim[/bold] wrote:
I have not had a pay rise for more than five years. As I run my own business the only way would be to charge my customers more, which is not viable in these austere times. There is no point in going on strike,of course.
It is time these public sector workers realised that the funds are just not there to pay them more. And they must consider themselves lucky when they retire on their index-linked pensions. Sooner or later there will come a time when the Government will be forced to default on their financial commitment, as the kitty will be empty.[/p][/quote]'Consider themselves luck when they retire'?
You do realise that public sector workers are not just 'handed' a pension when they retire don't you!?
They actually have to PAY for it like everyone else does.
I personally pay nearly £400 per month into my 'luxury' pension. This is over 14% of my wages.
If you compare my pension to that in the private sector, it's pretty much the same.
Don't become one of the sheep that believes what the government is telling you![/p][/quote]You have £400 spare every month???
Quit moaning!![/p][/quote]Oh dear Stevo...!
I guess you really don't understand the point at all.......
I Get paid a wage for my job.
£400 is taken out of that wage per month, by the government, before i even get to see it.
So...
I am left with £0 per month spare (and struggle).
I am being asked to work many more years. (i guess so i can bail out the private sector banks?)
In return i will get a FRACTION (about 55%) of the pension i am owed.
If this is something YOU would be happy with, then i am amazed.
I hope i put this simply enough for you to understand (you do seem a bit stupid!).[/p][/quote]You forgot to mention (in your haste to be abusive) the contribution the government (ie taxpayers) make towards your teaching pension.
The teachers' website on the matter informs all teachers that it is worth staying in this scheme (which is voluntary) because of the government contribution.
You failed to state why you are only getting 55% of what you claim you are owed...isn't is more a case of the rest of us being owed what the government contributes?
Finally, this pension is on top of the state pension. No-one is forcing you to have it.[/p][/quote]Stevo!
In your haste to try to sound clever....
You assume that I am a teacher. I am Not!
Just so you are aware. The amount the government 'tops up' these public sector pensions, is the same amount they offer to 'top up' people in the private sector also.
Sadly, if you did some research, you would know this.
In relation to getting 55% of what i am owed:
I joined a scheme that asked me to pay a LARGE amount of my wages into it. (over 14%)
This entitled me to retire earlier, on the same (guaranteed) pension i would have had, if I had paid a smaller amount, for longer.
Now. The government want to increase my payments to 15% whilst ALSO making me work for an extra 10 years!
When i retire, they will only pay a pension of the original amount.
So I will essentially pay OVER £400 per month into a pension for 10 years, and gain nothing at the end of it.
SO,
In case you need help with this....
I will receive about 55% of my pension, that i have actually paid into, and that i am owed.
Where is this other money going i wonder? Oh yes...To help bail out the banks!
Hope that's clear enough for you.monkeymoo

stevo!! wrote…

monkeymoo wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

monkeymoo wrote…

Sussex jim wrote…

I have not had a pay rise for more than five years. As I run my own business the only way would be to charge my customers more, which is not viable in these austere times. There is no point in going on strike,of course.
It is time these public sector workers realised that the funds are just not there to pay them more. And they must consider themselves lucky when they retire on their index-linked pensions. Sooner or later there will come a time when the Government will be forced to default on their financial commitment, as the kitty will be empty.

'Consider themselves luck when they retire'?

You do realise that public sector workers are not just 'handed' a pension when they retire don't you!?
They actually have to PAY for it like everyone else does.
I personally pay nearly £400 per month into my 'luxury' pension. This is over 14% of my wages.
If you compare my pension to that in the private sector, it's pretty much the same.

Don't become one of the sheep that believes what the government is telling you!

You have £400 spare every month???

Quit moaning!!

Oh dear Stevo...!
I guess you really don't understand the point at all.......

I Get paid a wage for my job.
£400 is taken out of that wage per month, by the government, before i even get to see it.

So...
I am left with £0 per month spare (and struggle).
I am being asked to work many more years. (i guess so i can bail out the private sector banks?)
In return i will get a FRACTION (about 55%) of the pension i am owed.

If this is something YOU would be happy with, then i am amazed.

I hope i put this simply enough for you to understand (you do seem a bit stupid!).

You forgot to mention (in your haste to be abusive) the contribution the government (ie taxpayers) make towards your teaching pension.

The teachers' website on the matter informs all teachers that it is worth staying in this scheme (which is voluntary) because of the government contribution.

You failed to state why you are only getting 55% of what you claim you are owed...isn't is more a case of the rest of us being owed what the government contributes?

Finally, this pension is on top of the state pension. No-one is forcing you to have it.

Stevo!
In your haste to try to sound clever....
You assume that I am a teacher. I am Not!

Just so you are aware. The amount the government 'tops up' these public sector pensions, is the same amount they offer to 'top up' people in the private sector also.

Sadly, if you did some research, you would know this.

In relation to getting 55% of what i am owed:
I joined a scheme that asked me to pay a LARGE amount of my wages into it. (over 14%)
This entitled me to retire earlier, on the same (guaranteed) pension i would have had, if I had paid a smaller amount, for longer.
Now. The government want to increase my payments to 15% whilst ALSO making me work for an extra 10 years!
When i retire, they will only pay a pension of the original amount.
So I will essentially pay OVER £400 per month into a pension for 10 years, and gain nothing at the end of it.

SO,
In case you need help with this....
I will receive about 55% of my pension, that i have actually paid into, and that i am owed.

Where is this other money going i wonder? Oh yes...To help bail out the banks!

Hope that's clear enough for you.

Score: 4

stevo!!
6:30pm Tue 24 Jun 14

"In relation to getting 55% of what i am owed:
I joined a scheme that asked me to pay a LARGE amount of my wages into it. (over 14%)"

So each month you get paid almost £3,000, that's £36,000 a year.

You claimed earlier to have £0 spare after paying that £400.

"This entitled me to retire earlier, on the same (guaranteed) pension i would have had, if I had paid a smaller amount, for longer."

So the decision to enter the scheme was yours, yes? No-one made you, right?

"Now. The government want to increase my payments to 15% whilst ALSO making me work for an extra 10 years!"

The fiends!!

A massive percentage point!!

You seem to be ignoring the fact that your personal scheme will still be running until the earlier retirement age, when you've be entitled to it.

"When i retire, they will only pay a pension of the original amount.
So I will essentially pay OVER £400 per month into a pension for 10 years, and gain nothing at the end of it."

OR you can exercise your right not to be part of it,

"I will receive about 55% of my pension, that i have actually paid into, and that i am owed."

You keep mentioning that figure without explaining where the 55% came from OR what you believe 100% of it should be.

"Where is this other money going i wonder? Oh yes...To help bail out the banks!"

How do you know where that money is going??

The Treasury is a central fund.

"In relation to getting 55% of what i am owed:
I joined a scheme that asked me to pay a LARGE amount of my wages into it. (over 14%)"
So each month you get paid almost £3,000, that's £36,000 a year.
You claimed earlier to have £0 spare after paying that £400.
"This entitled me to retire earlier, on the same (guaranteed) pension i would have had, if I had paid a smaller amount, for longer."
So the decision to enter the scheme was yours, yes? No-one made you, right?
"Now. The government want to increase my payments to 15% whilst ALSO making me work for an extra 10 years!"
The fiends!!
A massive percentage point!!
You seem to be ignoring the fact that your personal scheme will still be running until the earlier retirement age, when you've be entitled to it.
"When i retire, they will only pay a pension of the original amount.
So I will essentially pay OVER £400 per month into a pension for 10 years, and gain nothing at the end of it."
OR you can exercise your right not to be part of it,
"I will receive about 55% of my pension, that i have actually paid into, and that i am owed."
You keep mentioning that figure without explaining where the 55% came from OR what you believe 100% of it should be.
"Where is this other money going i wonder? Oh yes...To help bail out the banks!"
How do you know where that money is going??
The Treasury is a central fund.stevo!!

"In relation to getting 55% of what i am owed:
I joined a scheme that asked me to pay a LARGE amount of my wages into it. (over 14%)"

So each month you get paid almost £3,000, that's £36,000 a year.

You claimed earlier to have £0 spare after paying that £400.

"This entitled me to retire earlier, on the same (guaranteed) pension i would have had, if I had paid a smaller amount, for longer."

So the decision to enter the scheme was yours, yes? No-one made you, right?

"Now. The government want to increase my payments to 15% whilst ALSO making me work for an extra 10 years!"

The fiends!!

A massive percentage point!!

You seem to be ignoring the fact that your personal scheme will still be running until the earlier retirement age, when you've be entitled to it.

"When i retire, they will only pay a pension of the original amount.
So I will essentially pay OVER £400 per month into a pension for 10 years, and gain nothing at the end of it."

OR you can exercise your right not to be part of it,

"I will receive about 55% of my pension, that i have actually paid into, and that i am owed."

You keep mentioning that figure without explaining where the 55% came from OR what you believe 100% of it should be.

"Where is this other money going i wonder? Oh yes...To help bail out the banks!"

How do you know where that money is going??

The Treasury is a central fund.

Score: -5

DCCCCCC
7:00pm Tue 24 Jun 14

monkeymoo wrote…

Interesting how the government has managed to turn everyone against each other (divide and conquer).

Surely,
EVERYONE works hard.
EVERYONE deserves to enjoy the pension they have paid into.
EVERYONE wants to have a good NHS
EVERYONE wants to have their children taught by good teachers.
EVERYONE wants to be rescued from a fire / car crash should it happen.
EVERYONE wants to see a police officer when in need of one.

SO why is EVERYONE against the people who provide these services?

Direct your anger at the people who CAUSED this problem.
THE GOVERNMENT and their best friends THE BANKS!

It wasn't the Public sector that brought this country to its knees......
But it seems to be them that has to pay for it!

Very well said.

[quote][p][bold]monkeymoo[/bold] wrote:
Interesting how the government has managed to turn everyone against each other (divide and conquer).
Surely,
EVERYONE works hard.
EVERYONE deserves to enjoy the pension they have paid into.
EVERYONE wants to have a good NHS
EVERYONE wants to have their children taught by good teachers.
EVERYONE wants to be rescued from a fire / car crash should it happen.
EVERYONE wants to see a police officer when in need of one.
SO why is EVERYONE against the people who provide these services?
Direct your anger at the people who CAUSED this problem.
THE GOVERNMENT and their best friends THE BANKS!
It wasn't the Public sector that brought this country to its knees......
But it seems to be them that has to pay for it![/p][/quote]Very well said.DCCCCCC

monkeymoo wrote…

Interesting how the government has managed to turn everyone against each other (divide and conquer).

Surely,
EVERYONE works hard.
EVERYONE deserves to enjoy the pension they have paid into.
EVERYONE wants to have a good NHS
EVERYONE wants to have their children taught by good teachers.
EVERYONE wants to be rescued from a fire / car crash should it happen.
EVERYONE wants to see a police officer when in need of one.

SO why is EVERYONE against the people who provide these services?

Direct your anger at the people who CAUSED this problem.
THE GOVERNMENT and their best friends THE BANKS!

It wasn't the Public sector that brought this country to its knees......
But it seems to be them that has to pay for it!

Very well said.

Score: 8

We love Red Billy
7:26pm Tue 24 Jun 14

DCCCCCC wrote…

monkeymoo wrote…

Interesting how the government has managed to turn everyone against each other (divide and conquer).

Surely,
EVERYONE works hard.
EVERYONE deserves to enjoy the pension they have paid into.
EVERYONE wants to have a good NHS
EVERYONE wants to have their children taught by good teachers.
EVERYONE wants to be rescued from a fire / car crash should it happen.
EVERYONE wants to see a police officer when in need of one.

SO why is EVERYONE against the people who provide these services?

Direct your anger at the people who CAUSED this problem.
THE GOVERNMENT and their best friends THE BANKS!

It wasn't the Public sector that brought this country to its knees......
But it seems to be them that has to pay for it!

Very well said.

Direct your anger at the people who CAUSED this problem.
THE GOVERNMENT and their best friends THE BANKS!

Yes, but what about the people who borrowed the money from the banks who then defaulted on their loans? Life is rarely as black and white as some would like it to be.

[quote][p][bold]DCCCCCC[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]monkeymoo[/bold] wrote:
Interesting how the government has managed to turn everyone against each other (divide and conquer).
Surely,
EVERYONE works hard.
EVERYONE deserves to enjoy the pension they have paid into.
EVERYONE wants to have a good NHS
EVERYONE wants to have their children taught by good teachers.
EVERYONE wants to be rescued from a fire / car crash should it happen.
EVERYONE wants to see a police officer when in need of one.
SO why is EVERYONE against the people who provide these services?
Direct your anger at the people who CAUSED this problem.
THE GOVERNMENT and their best friends THE BANKS!
It wasn't the Public sector that brought this country to its knees......
But it seems to be them that has to pay for it![/p][/quote]Very well said.[/p][/quote]Direct your anger at the people who CAUSED this problem.
THE GOVERNMENT and their best friends THE BANKS!
Yes, but what about the people who borrowed the money from the banks who then defaulted on their loans? Life is rarely as black and white as some would like it to be.We love Red Billy

DCCCCCC wrote…

monkeymoo wrote…

Interesting how the government has managed to turn everyone against each other (divide and conquer).

Surely,
EVERYONE works hard.
EVERYONE deserves to enjoy the pension they have paid into.
EVERYONE wants to have a good NHS
EVERYONE wants to have their children taught by good teachers.
EVERYONE wants to be rescued from a fire / car crash should it happen.
EVERYONE wants to see a police officer when in need of one.

SO why is EVERYONE against the people who provide these services?

Direct your anger at the people who CAUSED this problem.
THE GOVERNMENT and their best friends THE BANKS!

It wasn't the Public sector that brought this country to its knees......
But it seems to be them that has to pay for it!

Very well said.

Direct your anger at the people who CAUSED this problem.
THE GOVERNMENT and their best friends THE BANKS!

Yes, but what about the people who borrowed the money from the banks who then defaulted on their loans? Life is rarely as black and white as some would like it to be.

Score: -2

stevo!!
7:31pm Tue 24 Jun 14

We love Red Billy wrote…

DCCCCCC wrote…

monkeymoo wrote…

Interesting how the government has managed to turn everyone against each other (divide and conquer).

Surely,
EVERYONE works hard.
EVERYONE deserves to enjoy the pension they have paid into.
EVERYONE wants to have a good NHS
EVERYONE wants to have their children taught by good teachers.
EVERYONE wants to be rescued from a fire / car crash should it happen.
EVERYONE wants to see a police officer when in need of one.

SO why is EVERYONE against the people who provide these services?

Direct your anger at the people who CAUSED this problem.
THE GOVERNMENT and their best friends THE BANKS!

It wasn't the Public sector that brought this country to its knees......
But it seems to be them that has to pay for it!

Very well said.

Direct your anger at the people who CAUSED this problem.
THE GOVERNMENT and their best friends THE BANKS!

Yes, but what about the people who borrowed the money from the banks who then defaulted on their loans? Life is rarely as black and white as some would like it to be.

Ffs, can you all quit banging on about the banks?

The banks were let off the leash by first the Tories then Labour, who favoured banks making vast sums of money as long as taxes were paid.

Labour even allowed the banks to monitor themselves through the FSA, an organisation made up of bankers who were very pally with their mates who remained in them.

It was Labour who allowed the Crash of 2008 to occur, after some sections of the banks overstretched themselves.

[quote][p][bold]We love Red Billy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]DCCCCCC[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]monkeymoo[/bold] wrote:
Interesting how the government has managed to turn everyone against each other (divide and conquer).
Surely,
EVERYONE works hard.
EVERYONE deserves to enjoy the pension they have paid into.
EVERYONE wants to have a good NHS
EVERYONE wants to have their children taught by good teachers.
EVERYONE wants to be rescued from a fire / car crash should it happen.
EVERYONE wants to see a police officer when in need of one.
SO why is EVERYONE against the people who provide these services?
Direct your anger at the people who CAUSED this problem.
THE GOVERNMENT and their best friends THE BANKS!
It wasn't the Public sector that brought this country to its knees......
But it seems to be them that has to pay for it![/p][/quote]Very well said.[/p][/quote]Direct your anger at the people who CAUSED this problem.
THE GOVERNMENT and their best friends THE BANKS!
Yes, but what about the people who borrowed the money from the banks who then defaulted on their loans? Life is rarely as black and white as some would like it to be.[/p][/quote]Ffs, can you all quit banging on about the banks?
The banks were let off the leash by first the Tories then Labour, who favoured banks making vast sums of money as long as taxes were paid.
Labour even allowed the banks to monitor themselves through the FSA, an organisation made up of bankers who were very pally with their mates who remained in them.
It was Labour who allowed the Crash of 2008 to occur, after some sections of the banks overstretched themselves.stevo!!

We love Red Billy wrote…

DCCCCCC wrote…

monkeymoo wrote…

Interesting how the government has managed to turn everyone against each other (divide and conquer).

Surely,
EVERYONE works hard.
EVERYONE deserves to enjoy the pension they have paid into.
EVERYONE wants to have a good NHS
EVERYONE wants to have their children taught by good teachers.
EVERYONE wants to be rescued from a fire / car crash should it happen.
EVERYONE wants to see a police officer when in need of one.

SO why is EVERYONE against the people who provide these services?

Direct your anger at the people who CAUSED this problem.
THE GOVERNMENT and their best friends THE BANKS!

It wasn't the Public sector that brought this country to its knees......
But it seems to be them that has to pay for it!

Very well said.

Direct your anger at the people who CAUSED this problem.
THE GOVERNMENT and their best friends THE BANKS!

Yes, but what about the people who borrowed the money from the banks who then defaulted on their loans? Life is rarely as black and white as some would like it to be.

Ffs, can you all quit banging on about the banks?

The banks were let off the leash by first the Tories then Labour, who favoured banks making vast sums of money as long as taxes were paid.

Labour even allowed the banks to monitor themselves through the FSA, an organisation made up of bankers who were very pally with their mates who remained in them.

It was Labour who allowed the Crash of 2008 to occur, after some sections of the banks overstretched themselves.

Score: -3

monkeymoo
7:44pm Tue 24 Jun 14

stevo!! wrote…

"In relation to getting 55% of what i am owed:
I joined a scheme that asked me to pay a LARGE amount of my wages into it. (over 14%)"

So each month you get paid almost £3,000, that's £36,000 a year.

You claimed earlier to have £0 spare after paying that £400.

"This entitled me to retire earlier, on the same (guaranteed) pension i would have had, if I had paid a smaller amount, for longer."

So the decision to enter the scheme was yours, yes? No-one made you, right?

"Now. The government want to increase my payments to 15% whilst ALSO making me work for an extra 10 years!"

The fiends!!

A massive percentage point!!

You seem to be ignoring the fact that your personal scheme will still be running until the earlier retirement age, when you've be entitled to it.

"When i retire, they will only pay a pension of the original amount.
So I will essentially pay OVER £400 per month into a pension for 10 years, and gain nothing at the end of it."

OR you can exercise your right not to be part of it,

"I will receive about 55% of my pension, that i have actually paid into, and that i am owed."

You keep mentioning that figure without explaining where the 55% came from OR what you believe 100% of it should be.

"Where is this other money going i wonder? Oh yes...To help bail out the banks!"

How do you know where that money is going??

The Treasury is a central fund.

It's pointless trying to debate an issue with someone who clearly has NO IDEA about pensions...
Let alone how a public sector pension works.
So much wrong and incorrect with your comment...I really cant be bothered to explain it all to you.......
.....and i doubt you'd understand it anyway.

I'm guessing you must really be George Osbourne...as your maths is way off track also!

I think most likely though, you are just an opinionated Tory, who want's to drag everyone down to the lowest level. Just to make your pathetic existence seem worthwhile?

Have fun....Try to enjoy your life :)

When you understand how a pension scheme works...come back to the discussion.

[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
"In relation to getting 55% of what i am owed:
I joined a scheme that asked me to pay a LARGE amount of my wages into it. (over 14%)"
So each month you get paid almost £3,000, that's £36,000 a year.
You claimed earlier to have £0 spare after paying that £400.
"This entitled me to retire earlier, on the same (guaranteed) pension i would have had, if I had paid a smaller amount, for longer."
So the decision to enter the scheme was yours, yes? No-one made you, right?
"Now. The government want to increase my payments to 15% whilst ALSO making me work for an extra 10 years!"
The fiends!!
A massive percentage point!!
You seem to be ignoring the fact that your personal scheme will still be running until the earlier retirement age, when you've be entitled to it.
"When i retire, they will only pay a pension of the original amount.
So I will essentially pay OVER £400 per month into a pension for 10 years, and gain nothing at the end of it."
OR you can exercise your right not to be part of it,
"I will receive about 55% of my pension, that i have actually paid into, and that i am owed."
You keep mentioning that figure without explaining where the 55% came from OR what you believe 100% of it should be.
"Where is this other money going i wonder? Oh yes...To help bail out the banks!"
How do you know where that money is going??
The Treasury is a central fund.[/p][/quote]It's pointless trying to debate an issue with someone who clearly has NO IDEA about pensions...
Let alone how a public sector pension works.
So much wrong and incorrect with your comment...I really cant be bothered to explain it all to you.......
.....and i doubt you'd understand it anyway.
I'm guessing you must really be George Osbourne...as your maths is way off track also!
I think most likely though, you are just an opinionated Tory, who want's to drag everyone down to the lowest level. Just to make your pathetic existence seem worthwhile?
Have fun....Try to enjoy your life :)
When you understand how a pension scheme works...come back to the discussion.monkeymoo

stevo!! wrote…

"In relation to getting 55% of what i am owed:
I joined a scheme that asked me to pay a LARGE amount of my wages into it. (over 14%)"

So each month you get paid almost £3,000, that's £36,000 a year.

You claimed earlier to have £0 spare after paying that £400.

"This entitled me to retire earlier, on the same (guaranteed) pension i would have had, if I had paid a smaller amount, for longer."

So the decision to enter the scheme was yours, yes? No-one made you, right?

"Now. The government want to increase my payments to 15% whilst ALSO making me work for an extra 10 years!"

The fiends!!

A massive percentage point!!

You seem to be ignoring the fact that your personal scheme will still be running until the earlier retirement age, when you've be entitled to it.

"When i retire, they will only pay a pension of the original amount.
So I will essentially pay OVER £400 per month into a pension for 10 years, and gain nothing at the end of it."

OR you can exercise your right not to be part of it,

"I will receive about 55% of my pension, that i have actually paid into, and that i am owed."

You keep mentioning that figure without explaining where the 55% came from OR what you believe 100% of it should be.

"Where is this other money going i wonder? Oh yes...To help bail out the banks!"

How do you know where that money is going??

The Treasury is a central fund.

It's pointless trying to debate an issue with someone who clearly has NO IDEA about pensions...
Let alone how a public sector pension works.
So much wrong and incorrect with your comment...I really cant be bothered to explain it all to you.......
.....and i doubt you'd understand it anyway.

I'm guessing you must really be George Osbourne...as your maths is way off track also!

I think most likely though, you are just an opinionated Tory, who want's to drag everyone down to the lowest level. Just to make your pathetic existence seem worthwhile?

Have fun....Try to enjoy your life :)

When you understand how a pension scheme works...come back to the discussion.

Score: 1

monkeymoo
7:45pm Tue 24 Jun 14

DCCCCCC wrote…

Oh Please!!!! wrote…

Listen to you lot having a go at easy targets.

My wife is a primary teacher and works 12 hour days 5-6 days a week. 13 weeks holiday is a dream more like 6 which considering the hours she works is hard. I run my own business and would not treat my staff to the hours she does and certainly not to the abuse when gets from the pushy parents.

She does it because she loves the kids, YOUR KIDS, you don't deserve her or most of her colleagues, as far as I am concerned she should tell the LEA to shove the job and leave you lot festering in your own pool of bile with your kids being taught by what's left. Good luck to you all.

Oh and by the way although she contributes to her pension I am not looking forward to getting fat on it.

I can't be bothered to waste my time arguing with the moronic teacher haters on here who think they know what a teachers job entails and of course, all work so much harder and have it so much worse than teachers. Just because their kids attend school 8.30 to 3 and get 13 weeks holiday a year, they are thick enough to actually think teachers do. And they think that teachers introduced the policy around kids taking time off during term time. Just shows how naive and stupid people are. Know it alls when in fact they know nothing.

So true.
Stevo!! is one of these 'know it all..but knows nothing' people

[quote][p][bold]DCCCCCC[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Oh Please!!!![/bold] wrote:
Listen to you lot having a go at easy targets.
My wife is a primary teacher and works 12 hour days 5-6 days a week. 13 weeks holiday is a dream more like 6 which considering the hours she works is hard. I run my own business and would not treat my staff to the hours she does and certainly not to the abuse when gets from the pushy parents.
She does it because she loves the kids, YOUR KIDS, you don't deserve her or most of her colleagues, as far as I am concerned she should tell the LEA to shove the job and leave you lot festering in your own pool of bile with your kids being taught by what's left. Good luck to you all.
Oh and by the way although she contributes to her pension I am not looking forward to getting fat on it.[/p][/quote]I can't be bothered to waste my time arguing with the moronic teacher haters on here who think they know what a teachers job entails and of course, all work so much harder and have it so much worse than teachers. Just because their kids attend school 8.30 to 3 and get 13 weeks holiday a year, they are thick enough to actually think teachers do. And they think that teachers introduced the policy around kids taking time off during term time. Just shows how naive and stupid people are. Know it alls when in fact they know nothing.[/p][/quote]So true.
Stevo!! is one of these 'know it all..but knows nothing' peoplemonkeymoo

DCCCCCC wrote…

Oh Please!!!! wrote…

Listen to you lot having a go at easy targets.

My wife is a primary teacher and works 12 hour days 5-6 days a week. 13 weeks holiday is a dream more like 6 which considering the hours she works is hard. I run my own business and would not treat my staff to the hours she does and certainly not to the abuse when gets from the pushy parents.

She does it because she loves the kids, YOUR KIDS, you don't deserve her or most of her colleagues, as far as I am concerned she should tell the LEA to shove the job and leave you lot festering in your own pool of bile with your kids being taught by what's left. Good luck to you all.

Oh and by the way although she contributes to her pension I am not looking forward to getting fat on it.

I can't be bothered to waste my time arguing with the moronic teacher haters on here who think they know what a teachers job entails and of course, all work so much harder and have it so much worse than teachers. Just because their kids attend school 8.30 to 3 and get 13 weeks holiday a year, they are thick enough to actually think teachers do. And they think that teachers introduced the policy around kids taking time off during term time. Just shows how naive and stupid people are. Know it alls when in fact they know nothing.

So true.
Stevo!! is one of these 'know it all..but knows nothing' people

Score: 7

fredaj
7:59pm Tue 24 Jun 14

monkeymoo wrote…

Interesting how the government has managed to turn everyone against each other (divide and conquer).

Surely,
EVERYONE works hard.
EVERYONE deserves to enjoy the pension they have paid into.
EVERYONE wants to have a good NHS
EVERYONE wants to have their children taught by good teachers.
EVERYONE wants to be rescued from a fire / car crash should it happen.
EVERYONE wants to see a police officer when in need of one.

SO why is EVERYONE against the people who provide these services?

Direct your anger at the people who CAUSED this problem.
THE GOVERNMENT and their best friends THE BANKS!

It wasn't the Public sector that brought this country to its knees......
But it seems to be them that has to pay for it!

Interesting post because it fails on the first line...

EVERYONE does NOT work hard. Far from it in fact. And some of those who don't will probably be teachers - but that is neither here not there for the purposes of this discussion.

Everyone is not against the public sector but plenty of us are against those who provide those public services blackmailing the rest of us to agree to an increase in taxation or borrowing to increase their remuneration, increase their pensions and reduce their pension age. That is what makes people grumpy.

And as for the blah blah blah about banks bringing down the country - yes, that was hardly helpful, but so what? We are where we are and to provide more money for public services today,money either need to be taken away from elsewhere or borrowed.

Unless of course you have a tree in your backyard that grows fivers in which case I am sure we would all be keen for a share.

[quote][p][bold]monkeymoo[/bold] wrote:
Interesting how the government has managed to turn everyone against each other (divide and conquer).
Surely,
EVERYONE works hard.
EVERYONE deserves to enjoy the pension they have paid into.
EVERYONE wants to have a good NHS
EVERYONE wants to have their children taught by good teachers.
EVERYONE wants to be rescued from a fire / car crash should it happen.
EVERYONE wants to see a police officer when in need of one.
SO why is EVERYONE against the people who provide these services?
Direct your anger at the people who CAUSED this problem.
THE GOVERNMENT and their best friends THE BANKS!
It wasn't the Public sector that brought this country to its knees......
But it seems to be them that has to pay for it![/p][/quote]Interesting post because it fails on the first line...
EVERYONE does NOT work hard. Far from it in fact. And some of those who don't will probably be teachers - but that is neither here not there for the purposes of this discussion.
Everyone is not against the public sector but plenty of us are against those who provide those public services blackmailing the rest of us to agree to an increase in taxation or borrowing to increase their remuneration, increase their pensions and reduce their pension age. That is what makes people grumpy.
And as for the blah blah blah about banks bringing down the country - yes, that was hardly helpful, but so what? We are where we are and to provide more money for public services today,money either need to be taken away from elsewhere or borrowed.
Unless of course you have a tree in your backyard that grows fivers in which case I am sure we would all be keen for a share.fredaj

monkeymoo wrote…

Interesting how the government has managed to turn everyone against each other (divide and conquer).

Surely,
EVERYONE works hard.
EVERYONE deserves to enjoy the pension they have paid into.
EVERYONE wants to have a good NHS
EVERYONE wants to have their children taught by good teachers.
EVERYONE wants to be rescued from a fire / car crash should it happen.
EVERYONE wants to see a police officer when in need of one.

SO why is EVERYONE against the people who provide these services?

Direct your anger at the people who CAUSED this problem.
THE GOVERNMENT and their best friends THE BANKS!

It wasn't the Public sector that brought this country to its knees......
But it seems to be them that has to pay for it!

Interesting post because it fails on the first line...

EVERYONE does NOT work hard. Far from it in fact. And some of those who don't will probably be teachers - but that is neither here not there for the purposes of this discussion.

Everyone is not against the public sector but plenty of us are against those who provide those public services blackmailing the rest of us to agree to an increase in taxation or borrowing to increase their remuneration, increase their pensions and reduce their pension age. That is what makes people grumpy.

And as for the blah blah blah about banks bringing down the country - yes, that was hardly helpful, but so what? We are where we are and to provide more money for public services today,money either need to be taken away from elsewhere or borrowed.

Unless of course you have a tree in your backyard that grows fivers in which case I am sure we would all be keen for a share.

Score: -4

HJarrs
11:07pm Tue 24 Jun 14

It never ceases to amaze of the number of inverted snobs that take pride in how little they are being paid for their jobs or the long hours they work as an argument to reduce the pay and conditions of others. What a sad situation we are in where teachers, or indeed any other employees feel they have to work 50 hours a week or more either just to make ends meet or meet their responsibilities. This is not a life we should be aiming for. We are in a terrible race to the bottom if we accept this argument.

It never ceases to amaze of the number of inverted snobs that take pride in how little they are being paid for their jobs or the long hours they work as an argument to reduce the pay and conditions of others. What a sad situation we are in where teachers, or indeed any other employees feel they have to work 50 hours a week or more either just to make ends meet or meet their responsibilities. This is not a life we should be aiming for. We are in a terrible race to the bottom if we accept this argument.HJarrs

It never ceases to amaze of the number of inverted snobs that take pride in how little they are being paid for their jobs or the long hours they work as an argument to reduce the pay and conditions of others. What a sad situation we are in where teachers, or indeed any other employees feel they have to work 50 hours a week or more either just to make ends meet or meet their responsibilities. This is not a life we should be aiming for. We are in a terrible race to the bottom if we accept this argument.

Score: 3

Jules boy
8:59pm Tue 24 Jun 14

fredaj wrote…

Oh Please!!!! wrote…

Listen to you lot having a go at easy targets.

My wife is a primary teacher and works 12 hour days 5-6 days a week. 13 weeks holiday is a dream more like 6 which considering the hours she works is hard. I run my own business and would not treat my staff to the hours she does and certainly not to the abuse when gets from the pushy parents.

She does it because she loves the kids, YOUR KIDS, you don't deserve her or most of her colleagues, as far as I am concerned she should tell the LEA to shove the job and leave you lot festering in your own pool of bile with your kids being taught by what's left. Good luck to you all.

Oh and by the way although she contributes to her pension I am not looking forward to getting fat on it.

A Primary School teacher working 60-72 hours a week! Week in, week out? Year on year on year?

Doing what?

Yeah what, really hard life being a teacher, should all hang their heads in shame its a disgrace, try working in the real world then see how hard done by you are rather than inconvenience the parents who... would like to go to work but can't on that day due to the sad selfish teachers - pathetic.

[quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Oh Please!!!![/bold] wrote:
Listen to you lot having a go at easy targets.
My wife is a primary teacher and works 12 hour days 5-6 days a week. 13 weeks holiday is a dream more like 6 which considering the hours she works is hard. I run my own business and would not treat my staff to the hours she does and certainly not to the abuse when gets from the pushy parents.
She does it because she loves the kids, YOUR KIDS, you don't deserve her or most of her colleagues, as far as I am concerned she should tell the LEA to shove the job and leave you lot festering in your own pool of bile with your kids being taught by what's left. Good luck to you all.
Oh and by the way although she contributes to her pension I am not looking forward to getting fat on it.[/p][/quote]A Primary School teacher working 60-72 hours a week! Week in, week out? Year on year on year?
Doing what?[/p][/quote]Yeah what, really hard life being a teacher, should all hang their heads in shame its a disgrace, try working in the real world then see how hard done by you are rather than inconvenience the parents who... would like to go to work but can't on that day due to the sad selfish teachers - pathetic.Jules boy

fredaj wrote…

Oh Please!!!! wrote…

Listen to you lot having a go at easy targets.

My wife is a primary teacher and works 12 hour days 5-6 days a week. 13 weeks holiday is a dream more like 6 which considering the hours she works is hard. I run my own business and would not treat my staff to the hours she does and certainly not to the abuse when gets from the pushy parents.

She does it because she loves the kids, YOUR KIDS, you don't deserve her or most of her colleagues, as far as I am concerned she should tell the LEA to shove the job and leave you lot festering in your own pool of bile with your kids being taught by what's left. Good luck to you all.

Oh and by the way although she contributes to her pension I am not looking forward to getting fat on it.

A Primary School teacher working 60-72 hours a week! Week in, week out? Year on year on year?

Doing what?

Yeah what, really hard life being a teacher, should all hang their heads in shame its a disgrace, try working in the real world then see how hard done by you are rather than inconvenience the parents who... would like to go to work but can't on that day due to the sad selfish teachers - pathetic.

Score: -4

HJarrs
11:38pm Tue 24 Jun 14

iceman126790 wrote…

Question: when were teachers last made redundant? Or went through consultation and restructure...... as far ad I can remember teaching is a safe profession. Consider it lucky to have a safe job in an unsafe employment environment.... quit moaning, you are in it to effect change in tje young people of the future. And before you have the audacity to tear me to shreds, I am a youth worker. I do no have a safe job I have recently been through restructure yet I do not moan and am given far less benefits than a teacher. My sector is being cut to the point of destruction and the work which vwe do is invaluable..... so my advice is grow a pair, be thankful you are still employed and remember why you chose this profession

Of course teachers are facing changes to employment terms, this is a purposeful part of the government's privitisation agenda.

Instead of taking a perverse pride in your predicament and trying to pull others down to your level, you should be fighting to improve your security and remuneration or move on.

[quote][p][bold]iceman126790[/bold] wrote:
Question: when were teachers last made redundant? Or went through consultation and restructure...... as far ad I can remember teaching is a safe profession. Consider it lucky to have a safe job in an unsafe employment environment.... quit moaning, you are in it to effect change in tje young people of the future. And before you have the audacity to tear me to shreds, I am a youth worker. I do no have a safe job I have recently been through restructure yet I do not moan and am given far less benefits than a teacher. My sector is being cut to the point of destruction and the work which vwe do is invaluable..... so my advice is grow a pair, be thankful you are still employed and remember why you chose this profession[/p][/quote]Of course teachers are facing changes to employment terms, this is a purposeful part of the government's privitisation agenda.
Instead of taking a perverse pride in your predicament and trying to pull others down to your level, you should be fighting to improve your security and remuneration or move on.HJarrs

iceman126790 wrote…

Question: when were teachers last made redundant? Or went through consultation and restructure...... as far ad I can remember teaching is a safe profession. Consider it lucky to have a safe job in an unsafe employment environment.... quit moaning, you are in it to effect change in tje young people of the future. And before you have the audacity to tear me to shreds, I am a youth worker. I do no have a safe job I have recently been through restructure yet I do not moan and am given far less benefits than a teacher. My sector is being cut to the point of destruction and the work which vwe do is invaluable..... so my advice is grow a pair, be thankful you are still employed and remember why you chose this profession

Of course teachers are facing changes to employment terms, this is a purposeful part of the government's privitisation agenda.

Instead of taking a perverse pride in your predicament and trying to pull others down to your level, you should be fighting to improve your security and remuneration or move on.

Score: 2

ourcoalition
10:22pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Number Six wrote…

Every time Alex Knutson appears it's like an episode of "Life on Mars". It's as though I'm transported back to 1973 and in the words of a song of the time "It's Yesterday Once More"

Yes, Number 6, it's me, again.

Nothing wrong with the 1970's, if by that you mean
-no compulsory redundancies in Brighton and Hove UNISON

- 10,000 Trade Unionists on the last big demonstration

- no privatization of services

- a membership that has grown year on year since the Unitary Council was formed.

- fighting for our members in the public, private and voluntary sectors

- contributing to all sorts of campaigns to defend the most vulnerable, hardest hit in our community, and enabling them to fight back against this immoral, vindictive Government.

I could carry on, but I sense your blood pressure is rising at my leftie words - shame they are all true!!!

[quote][p][bold]Number Six[/bold] wrote:
Every time Alex Knutson appears it's like an episode of "Life on Mars". It's as though I'm transported back to 1973 and in the words of a song of the time "It's Yesterday Once More"[/p][/quote]Yes, Number 6, it's me, again.
Nothing wrong with the 1970's, if by that you mean
-no compulsory redundancies in Brighton and Hove UNISON
- 10,000 Trade Unionists on the last big demonstration
- no privatization of services
- a membership that has grown year on year since the Unitary Council was formed.
- fighting for our members in the public, private and voluntary sectors
- contributing to all sorts of campaigns to defend the most vulnerable, hardest hit in our community, and enabling them to fight back against this immoral, vindictive Government.
I could carry on, but I sense your blood pressure is rising at my leftie words - shame they are all true!!!ourcoalition

Number Six wrote…

Every time Alex Knutson appears it's like an episode of "Life on Mars". It's as though I'm transported back to 1973 and in the words of a song of the time "It's Yesterday Once More"

Yes, Number 6, it's me, again.

Nothing wrong with the 1970's, if by that you mean
-no compulsory redundancies in Brighton and Hove UNISON

- 10,000 Trade Unionists on the last big demonstration

- no privatization of services

- a membership that has grown year on year since the Unitary Council was formed.

- fighting for our members in the public, private and voluntary sectors

- contributing to all sorts of campaigns to defend the most vulnerable, hardest hit in our community, and enabling them to fight back against this immoral, vindictive Government.

I could carry on, but I sense your blood pressure is rising at my leftie words - shame they are all true!!!

Score: -2

stevo!!
10:45pm Tue 24 Jun 14

"fighting for our members in the public, private and voluntary sectors

- contributing to all sorts of campaigns to defend the most vulnerable, hardest hit in our community, and enabling them to fight back against this immoral, vindictive Government."

You mean that costing them lost wages is a good thing?

This is yet another reason why Lefties shouldn't be allowed to run an economy.

"fighting for our members in the public, private and voluntary sectors
- contributing to all sorts of campaigns to defend the most vulnerable, hardest hit in our community, and enabling them to fight back against this immoral, vindictive Government."
You mean that costing them lost wages is a good thing?
This is yet another reason why Lefties shouldn't be allowed to run an economy.stevo!!

"fighting for our members in the public, private and voluntary sectors

- contributing to all sorts of campaigns to defend the most vulnerable, hardest hit in our community, and enabling them to fight back against this immoral, vindictive Government."

You mean that costing them lost wages is a good thing?

This is yet another reason why Lefties shouldn't be allowed to run an economy.

Score: -2

HJarrs
10:57pm Tue 24 Jun 14

It never ceases to amaze of the number of inverted snobs that take pride in how little they are being paid for their jobs or the long hours they work as an argument to reduce the pay and conditions of others. What a sad situation we are in where teachers, or indeed any other employees feel they have to work 50 hours a week or more either just to make ends meet or meet their responsibilities. This is not a life we should be aiming for. We are in a terrible race to the bottom if we accept this argument.

It never ceases to amaze of the number of inverted snobs that take pride in how little they are being paid for their jobs or the long hours they work as an argument to reduce the pay and conditions of others. What a sad situation we are in where teachers, or indeed any other employees feel they have to work 50 hours a week or more either just to make ends meet or meet their responsibilities. This is not a life we should be aiming for. We are in a terrible race to the bottom if we accept this argument.HJarrs

It never ceases to amaze of the number of inverted snobs that take pride in how little they are being paid for their jobs or the long hours they work as an argument to reduce the pay and conditions of others. What a sad situation we are in where teachers, or indeed any other employees feel they have to work 50 hours a week or more either just to make ends meet or meet their responsibilities. This is not a life we should be aiming for. We are in a terrible race to the bottom if we accept this argument.

Score: 5

Patsyr
11:08pm Tue 24 Jun 14

monkeymoo wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

monkeymoo wrote…

Sussex jim wrote…

I have not had a pay rise for more than five years. As I run my own business the only way would be to charge my customers more, which is not viable in these austere times. There is no point in going on strike,of course.
It is time these public sector workers realised that the funds are just not there to pay them more. And they must consider themselves lucky when they retire on their index-linked pensions. Sooner or later there will come a time when the Government will be forced to default on their financial commitment, as the kitty will be empty.

'Consider themselves luck when they retire'?

You do realise that public sector workers are not just 'handed' a pension when they retire don't you!?
They actually have to PAY for it like everyone else does.
I personally pay nearly £400 per month into my 'luxury' pension. This is over 14% of my wages.
If you compare my pension to that in the private sector, it's pretty much the same.

Don't become one of the sheep that believes what the government is telling you!

You have £400 spare every month???

Quit moaning!!

Oh dear Stevo...!
I guess you really don't understand the point at all.......

I Get paid a wage for my job.
£400 is taken out of that wage per month, by the government, before i even get to see it.

So...
I am left with £0 per month spare (and struggle).
I am being asked to work many more years. (i guess so i can bail out the private sector banks?)
In return i will get a FRACTION (about 55%) of the pension i am owed.

If this is something YOU would be happy with, then i am amazed.

I hope i put this simply enough for you to understand (you do seem a bit stupid!).

Not a very nice attitude. I hope you don't speak to the students like this. Do you call them stupid? Not very good for their confidence
I thought that a requirement of being a teacher was patience. Where is yours?
All round judging by your message you don't come over very well at all plus you seem disenchanted by teaching. Ever thought of retraining for something else?

[quote][p][bold]monkeymoo[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]monkeymoo[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Sussex jim[/bold] wrote:
I have not had a pay rise for more than five years. As I run my own business the only way would be to charge my customers more, which is not viable in these austere times. There is no point in going on strike,of course.
It is time these public sector workers realised that the funds are just not there to pay them more. And they must consider themselves lucky when they retire on their index-linked pensions. Sooner or later there will come a time when the Government will be forced to default on their financial commitment, as the kitty will be empty.[/p][/quote]'Consider themselves luck when they retire'?
You do realise that public sector workers are not just 'handed' a pension when they retire don't you!?
They actually have to PAY for it like everyone else does.
I personally pay nearly £400 per month into my 'luxury' pension. This is over 14% of my wages.
If you compare my pension to that in the private sector, it's pretty much the same.
Don't become one of the sheep that believes what the government is telling you![/p][/quote]You have £400 spare every month???
Quit moaning!![/p][/quote]Oh dear Stevo...!
I guess you really don't understand the point at all.......
I Get paid a wage for my job.
£400 is taken out of that wage per month, by the government, before i even get to see it.
So...
I am left with £0 per month spare (and struggle).
I am being asked to work many more years. (i guess so i can bail out the private sector banks?)
In return i will get a FRACTION (about 55%) of the pension i am owed.
If this is something YOU would be happy with, then i am amazed.
I hope i put this simply enough for you to understand (you do seem a bit stupid!).[/p][/quote]Not a very nice attitude. I hope you don't speak to the students like this. Do you call them stupid? Not very good for their confidence
I thought that a requirement of being a teacher was patience. Where is yours?
All round judging by your message you don't come over very well at all plus you seem disenchanted by teaching. Ever thought of retraining for something else?Patsyr

monkeymoo wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

monkeymoo wrote…

Sussex jim wrote…

I have not had a pay rise for more than five years. As I run my own business the only way would be to charge my customers more, which is not viable in these austere times. There is no point in going on strike,of course.
It is time these public sector workers realised that the funds are just not there to pay them more. And they must consider themselves lucky when they retire on their index-linked pensions. Sooner or later there will come a time when the Government will be forced to default on their financial commitment, as the kitty will be empty.

'Consider themselves luck when they retire'?

You do realise that public sector workers are not just 'handed' a pension when they retire don't you!?
They actually have to PAY for it like everyone else does.
I personally pay nearly £400 per month into my 'luxury' pension. This is over 14% of my wages.
If you compare my pension to that in the private sector, it's pretty much the same.

Don't become one of the sheep that believes what the government is telling you!

You have £400 spare every month???

Quit moaning!!

Oh dear Stevo...!
I guess you really don't understand the point at all.......

I Get paid a wage for my job.
£400 is taken out of that wage per month, by the government, before i even get to see it.

So...
I am left with £0 per month spare (and struggle).
I am being asked to work many more years. (i guess so i can bail out the private sector banks?)
In return i will get a FRACTION (about 55%) of the pension i am owed.

If this is something YOU would be happy with, then i am amazed.

I hope i put this simply enough for you to understand (you do seem a bit stupid!).

Not a very nice attitude. I hope you don't speak to the students like this. Do you call them stupid? Not very good for their confidence
I thought that a requirement of being a teacher was patience. Where is yours?
All round judging by your message you don't come over very well at all plus you seem disenchanted by teaching. Ever thought of retraining for something else?

Score: 0

iceman126790
11:08pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Question: when were teachers last made redundant? Or went through consultation and restructure...... as far ad I can remember teaching is a safe profession. Consider it lucky to have a safe job in an unsafe employment environment.... quit moaning, you are in it to effect change in tje young people of the future. And before you have the audacity to tear me to shreds, I am a youth worker. I do no have a safe job I have recently been through restructure yet I do not moan and am given far less benefits than a teacher. My sector is being cut to the point of destruction and the work which vwe do is invaluable..... so my advice is grow a pair, be thankful you are still employed and remember why you chose this profession

Question: when were teachers last made redundant? Or went through consultation and restructure...... as far ad I can remember teaching is a safe profession. Consider it lucky to have a safe job in an unsafe employment environment.... quit moaning, you are in it to effect change in tje young people of the future. And before you have the audacity to tear me to shreds, I am a youth worker. I do no have a safe job I have recently been through restructure yet I do not moan and am given far less benefits than a teacher. My sector is being cut to the point of destruction and the work which vwe do is invaluable..... so my advice is grow a pair, be thankful you are still employed and remember why you chose this professioniceman126790

Question: when were teachers last made redundant? Or went through consultation and restructure...... as far ad I can remember teaching is a safe profession. Consider it lucky to have a safe job in an unsafe employment environment.... quit moaning, you are in it to effect change in tje young people of the future. And before you have the audacity to tear me to shreds, I am a youth worker. I do no have a safe job I have recently been through restructure yet I do not moan and am given far less benefits than a teacher. My sector is being cut to the point of destruction and the work which vwe do is invaluable..... so my advice is grow a pair, be thankful you are still employed and remember why you chose this profession

Score: 2

iceman126790
11:49pm Tue 24 Jun 14

HJarrs wrote…

iceman126790 wrote…

Question: when were teachers last made redundant? Or went through consultation and restructure...... as far ad I can remember teaching is a safe profession. Consider it lucky to have a safe job in an unsafe employment environment.... quit moaning, you are in it to effect change in tje young people of the future. And before you have the audacity to tear me to shreds, I am a youth worker. I do no have a safe job I have recently been through restructure yet I do not moan and am given far less benefits than a teacher. My sector is being cut to the point of destruction and the work which vwe do is invaluable..... so my advice is grow a pair, be thankful you are still employed and remember why you chose this profession

Of course teachers are facing changes to employment terms, this is a purposeful part of the government's privitisation agenda.

Instead of taking a perverse pride in your predicament and trying to pull others down to your level, you should be fighting to improve your security and remuneration or move on.

And I suppose you think I/we are not fighting? What a silly assumption to make.... this issue has nothing to do with me. I work for and am an advocate for young people.... my question was simple and I shall simplify it for you when was a teacher last made redundant or faced consultation? Safe employment.....

[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]iceman126790[/bold] wrote:
Question: when were teachers last made redundant? Or went through consultation and restructure...... as far ad I can remember teaching is a safe profession. Consider it lucky to have a safe job in an unsafe employment environment.... quit moaning, you are in it to effect change in tje young people of the future. And before you have the audacity to tear me to shreds, I am a youth worker. I do no have a safe job I have recently been through restructure yet I do not moan and am given far less benefits than a teacher. My sector is being cut to the point of destruction and the work which vwe do is invaluable..... so my advice is grow a pair, be thankful you are still employed and remember why you chose this profession[/p][/quote]Of course teachers are facing changes to employment terms, this is a purposeful part of the government's privitisation agenda.
Instead of taking a perverse pride in your predicament and trying to pull others down to your level, you should be fighting to improve your security and remuneration or move on.[/p][/quote]And I suppose you think I/we are not fighting? What a silly assumption to make.... this issue has nothing to do with me. I work for and am an advocate for young people.... my question was simple and I shall simplify it for you when was a teacher last made redundant or faced consultation? Safe employment.....iceman126790

HJarrs wrote…

iceman126790 wrote…

Question: when were teachers last made redundant? Or went through consultation and restructure...... as far ad I can remember teaching is a safe profession. Consider it lucky to have a safe job in an unsafe employment environment.... quit moaning, you are in it to effect change in tje young people of the future. And before you have the audacity to tear me to shreds, I am a youth worker. I do no have a safe job I have recently been through restructure yet I do not moan and am given far less benefits than a teacher. My sector is being cut to the point of destruction and the work which vwe do is invaluable..... so my advice is grow a pair, be thankful you are still employed and remember why you chose this profession

Of course teachers are facing changes to employment terms, this is a purposeful part of the government's privitisation agenda.

Instead of taking a perverse pride in your predicament and trying to pull others down to your level, you should be fighting to improve your security and remuneration or move on.

And I suppose you think I/we are not fighting? What a silly assumption to make.... this issue has nothing to do with me. I work for and am an advocate for young people.... my question was simple and I shall simplify it for you when was a teacher last made redundant or faced consultation? Safe employment.....

Score: -3

Tippy Toes
10:13am Wed 25 Jun 14

Always moaning about how hard they have it and how hard they work. Yet they get paid well, they get lots of time off, and get a good pension. People in the private sector are losing their jobs left right and centre. While the rest of us are lucky to even have a job, they are moaning about their pay rises?

Always moaning about how hard they have it and how hard they work. Yet they get paid well, they get lots of time off, and get a good pension. People in the private sector are losing their jobs left right and centre. While the rest of us are lucky to even have a job, they are moaning about their pay rises?Tippy Toes

Always moaning about how hard they have it and how hard they work. Yet they get paid well, they get lots of time off, and get a good pension. People in the private sector are losing their jobs left right and centre. While the rest of us are lucky to even have a job, they are moaning about their pay rises?

Score: 1

stevo!!
12:14pm Wed 25 Jun 14

In amongst all the abuse and comments they are unable to explain, monkemoo manged these classics:

"I joined a scheme that asked me to pay a LARGE amount of my wages into it. (over 14%)"

" The government want to increase my payments to 15%...."

So they are complaining about an increase to a voluntary pension fund of less than one percentage point whilst earning over £36,000 per annum.

As I said earlier, some people will complain about anything.

In amongst all the abuse and comments they are unable to explain, monkemoo manged these classics:
"I joined a scheme that asked me to pay a LARGE amount of my wages into it. (over 14%)"
" The government want to increase my payments to 15%...."
So they are complaining about an increase to a voluntary pension fund of less than one percentage point whilst earning over £36,000 per annum.
As I said earlier, some people will complain about anything.stevo!!

In amongst all the abuse and comments they are unable to explain, monkemoo manged these classics:

"I joined a scheme that asked me to pay a LARGE amount of my wages into it. (over 14%)"

" The government want to increase my payments to 15%...."

So they are complaining about an increase to a voluntary pension fund of less than one percentage point whilst earning over £36,000 per annum.

As I said earlier, some people will complain about anything.

Score: 0

PorkyChopper
3:47pm Wed 25 Jun 14

DCCCCCC wrote…

Oh Please!!!! wrote…

Listen to you lot having a go at easy targets.

My wife is a primary teacher and works 12 hour days 5-6 days a week. 13 weeks holiday is a dream more like 6 which considering the hours she works is hard. I run my own business and would not treat my staff to the hours she does and certainly not to the abuse when gets from the pushy parents.

She does it because she loves the kids, YOUR KIDS, you don't deserve her or most of her colleagues, as far as I am concerned she should tell the LEA to shove the job and leave you lot festering in your own pool of bile with your kids being taught by what's left. Good luck to you all.

Oh and by the way although she contributes to her pension I am not looking forward to getting fat on it.

I can't be bothered to waste my time arguing with the moronic teacher haters on here who think they know what a teachers job entails and of course, all work so much harder and have it so much worse than teachers. Just because their kids attend school 8.30 to 3 and get 13 weeks holiday a year, they are thick enough to actually think teachers do. And they think that teachers introduced the policy around kids taking time off during term time. Just shows how naive and stupid people are. Know it alls when in fact they know nothing.

The Argus comments pages are full of spiteful, pig ignorant, clueless, frightened, naive, small minded ****, deep in denial, and suffering from a severe bout of Cognitive Dissonance. They would soil their pants if they had to get up in front of 30 15 year olds and teach them for a day. They would deny a thirsty man a glass of water (as shown a couple of weeks ago), and think that Fracking will bring their energy bills down, instead of inflating the coffers of the energy companies. Your average Argus commentator has the intellectual capabilities of a slug.

[quote][p][bold]DCCCCCC[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Oh Please!!!![/bold] wrote:
Listen to you lot having a go at easy targets.
My wife is a primary teacher and works 12 hour days 5-6 days a week. 13 weeks holiday is a dream more like 6 which considering the hours she works is hard. I run my own business and would not treat my staff to the hours she does and certainly not to the abuse when gets from the pushy parents.
She does it because she loves the kids, YOUR KIDS, you don't deserve her or most of her colleagues, as far as I am concerned she should tell the LEA to shove the job and leave you lot festering in your own pool of bile with your kids being taught by what's left. Good luck to you all.
Oh and by the way although she contributes to her pension I am not looking forward to getting fat on it.[/p][/quote]I can't be bothered to waste my time arguing with the moronic teacher haters on here who think they know what a teachers job entails and of course, all work so much harder and have it so much worse than teachers. Just because their kids attend school 8.30 to 3 and get 13 weeks holiday a year, they are thick enough to actually think teachers do. And they think that teachers introduced the policy around kids taking time off during term time. Just shows how naive and stupid people are. Know it alls when in fact they know nothing.[/p][/quote]The Argus comments pages are full of spiteful, pig ignorant, clueless, frightened, naive, small minded ****, deep in denial, and suffering from a severe bout of Cognitive Dissonance. They would soil their pants if they had to get up in front of 30 15 year olds and teach them for a day. They would deny a thirsty man a glass of water (as shown a couple of weeks ago), and think that Fracking will bring their energy bills down, instead of inflating the coffers of the energy companies. Your average Argus commentator has the intellectual capabilities of a slug.PorkyChopper

DCCCCCC wrote…

Oh Please!!!! wrote…

Listen to you lot having a go at easy targets.

My wife is a primary teacher and works 12 hour days 5-6 days a week. 13 weeks holiday is a dream more like 6 which considering the hours she works is hard. I run my own business and would not treat my staff to the hours she does and certainly not to the abuse when gets from the pushy parents.

She does it because she loves the kids, YOUR KIDS, you don't deserve her or most of her colleagues, as far as I am concerned she should tell the LEA to shove the job and leave you lot festering in your own pool of bile with your kids being taught by what's left. Good luck to you all.

Oh and by the way although she contributes to her pension I am not looking forward to getting fat on it.

I can't be bothered to waste my time arguing with the moronic teacher haters on here who think they know what a teachers job entails and of course, all work so much harder and have it so much worse than teachers. Just because their kids attend school 8.30 to 3 and get 13 weeks holiday a year, they are thick enough to actually think teachers do. And they think that teachers introduced the policy around kids taking time off during term time. Just shows how naive and stupid people are. Know it alls when in fact they know nothing.

The Argus comments pages are full of spiteful, pig ignorant, clueless, frightened, naive, small minded ****, deep in denial, and suffering from a severe bout of Cognitive Dissonance. They would soil their pants if they had to get up in front of 30 15 year olds and teach them for a day. They would deny a thirsty man a glass of water (as shown a couple of weeks ago), and think that Fracking will bring their energy bills down, instead of inflating the coffers of the energy companies. Your average Argus commentator has the intellectual capabilities of a slug.

Score: 6

PorkyChopper
3:53pm Wed 25 Jun 14

HJarrs wrote…

It never ceases to amaze of the number of inverted snobs that take pride in how little they are being paid for their jobs or the long hours they work as an argument to reduce the pay and conditions of others. What a sad situation we are in where teachers, or indeed any other employees feel they have to work 50 hours a week or more either just to make ends meet or meet their responsibilities. This is not a life we should be aiming for. We are in a terrible race to the bottom if we accept this argument.

I don't often agree with you, but...I agree with you! Don't forget those that take pride in saying stuff like "I work three jobs and STILL can't pay my rent". If you do that, then you're some sort of prize plum.

[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote:
It never ceases to amaze of the number of inverted snobs that take pride in how little they are being paid for their jobs or the long hours they work as an argument to reduce the pay and conditions of others. What a sad situation we are in where teachers, or indeed any other employees feel they have to work 50 hours a week or more either just to make ends meet or meet their responsibilities. This is not a life we should be aiming for. We are in a terrible race to the bottom if we accept this argument.[/p][/quote]I don't often agree with you, but...I agree with you! Don't forget those that take pride in saying stuff like "I work three jobs and STILL can't pay my rent". If you do that, then you're some sort of prize plum.PorkyChopper

HJarrs wrote…

It never ceases to amaze of the number of inverted snobs that take pride in how little they are being paid for their jobs or the long hours they work as an argument to reduce the pay and conditions of others. What a sad situation we are in where teachers, or indeed any other employees feel they have to work 50 hours a week or more either just to make ends meet or meet their responsibilities. This is not a life we should be aiming for. We are in a terrible race to the bottom if we accept this argument.

I don't often agree with you, but...I agree with you! Don't forget those that take pride in saying stuff like "I work three jobs and STILL can't pay my rent". If you do that, then you're some sort of prize plum.

Score: 6

Johnny F
6:46pm Wed 25 Jun 14

So Unite, GMB and UNISON are all striking and the focus seems to be one on the one teaching union out of many that are not striking.

So Unite, GMB and UNISON are all striking and the focus seems to be one on the one teaching union out of many that are not striking.Johnny F

So Unite, GMB and UNISON are all striking and the focus seems to be one on the one teaching union out of many that are not striking.

Score: 1

TROY44
9:17pm Wed 25 Jun 14

Yawn poor overworked teachers. Try working a six day week, try working a full day.
Its time to open schools for a full days work.
Make teachers earn a wage by stopping all the short days and long holidays. I Would love to start work at 9. Finish at 3. And have 12 weeks holiday a year.
Wake up now.

Yawn poor overworked teachers. Try working a six day week, try working a full day.
Its time to open schools for a full days work.
Make teachers earn a wage by stopping all the short days and long holidays. I Would love to start work at 9. Finish at 3. And have 12 weeks holiday a year.
Wake up now.TROY44

Yawn poor overworked teachers. Try working a six day week, try working a full day.
Its time to open schools for a full days work.
Make teachers earn a wage by stopping all the short days and long holidays. I Would love to start work at 9. Finish at 3. And have 12 weeks holiday a year.
Wake up now.

Score: -5

DCCCCCC
9:38pm Wed 25 Jun 14

TROY44 wrote…

Yawn poor overworked teachers. Try working a six day week, try working a full day.
Its time to open schools for a full days work.
Make teachers earn a wage by stopping all the short days and long holidays. I Would love to start work at 9. Finish at 3. And have 12 weeks holiday a year.
Wake up now.

Not worthy of a reply.

[quote][p][bold]TROY44[/bold] wrote:
Yawn poor overworked teachers. Try working a six day week, try working a full day.
Its time to open schools for a full days work.
Make teachers earn a wage by stopping all the short days and long holidays. I Would love to start work at 9. Finish at 3. And have 12 weeks holiday a year.
Wake up now.[/p][/quote]Not worthy of a reply.DCCCCCC

TROY44 wrote…

Yawn poor overworked teachers. Try working a six day week, try working a full day.
Its time to open schools for a full days work.
Make teachers earn a wage by stopping all the short days and long holidays. I Would love to start work at 9. Finish at 3. And have 12 weeks holiday a year.
Wake up now.

Not worthy of a reply.

Score: 5

HJarrs
8:44am Thu 26 Jun 14

PorkyChopper wrote…

DCCCCCC wrote…

Oh Please!!!! wrote…

Listen to you lot having a go at easy targets.

My wife is a primary teacher and works 12 hour days 5-6 days a week. 13 weeks holiday is a dream more like 6 which considering the hours she works is hard. I run my own business and would not treat my staff to the hours she does and certainly not to the abuse when gets from the pushy parents.

She does it because she loves the kids, YOUR KIDS, you don't deserve her or most of her colleagues, as far as I am concerned she should tell the LEA to shove the job and leave you lot festering in your own pool of bile with your kids being taught by what's left. Good luck to you all.

Oh and by the way although she contributes to her pension I am not looking forward to getting fat on it.

I can't be bothered to waste my time arguing with the moronic teacher haters on here who think they know what a teachers job entails and of course, all work so much harder and have it so much worse than teachers. Just because their kids attend school 8.30 to 3 and get 13 weeks holiday a year, they are thick enough to actually think teachers do. And they think that teachers introduced the policy around kids taking time off during term time. Just shows how naive and stupid people are. Know it alls when in fact they know nothing.

The Argus comments pages are full of spiteful, pig ignorant, clueless, frightened, naive, small minded ****, deep in denial, and suffering from a severe bout of Cognitive Dissonance. They would soil their pants if they had to get up in front of 30 15 year olds and teach them for a day. They would deny a thirsty man a glass of water (as shown a couple of weeks ago), and think that Fracking will bring their energy bills down, instead of inflating the coffers of the energy companies. Your average Argus commentator has the intellectual capabilities of a slug.

Very well put. Lowering the terms and conditions of teachers does not help recruit and retain the best people. It makes you wonder what sort of person they want to teach their children and grandchildren.

[quote][p][bold]PorkyChopper[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]DCCCCCC[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Oh Please!!!![/bold] wrote:
Listen to you lot having a go at easy targets.
My wife is a primary teacher and works 12 hour days 5-6 days a week. 13 weeks holiday is a dream more like 6 which considering the hours she works is hard. I run my own business and would not treat my staff to the hours she does and certainly not to the abuse when gets from the pushy parents.
She does it because she loves the kids, YOUR KIDS, you don't deserve her or most of her colleagues, as far as I am concerned she should tell the LEA to shove the job and leave you lot festering in your own pool of bile with your kids being taught by what's left. Good luck to you all.
Oh and by the way although she contributes to her pension I am not looking forward to getting fat on it.[/p][/quote]I can't be bothered to waste my time arguing with the moronic teacher haters on here who think they know what a teachers job entails and of course, all work so much harder and have it so much worse than teachers. Just because their kids attend school 8.30 to 3 and get 13 weeks holiday a year, they are thick enough to actually think teachers do. And they think that teachers introduced the policy around kids taking time off during term time. Just shows how naive and stupid people are. Know it alls when in fact they know nothing.[/p][/quote]The Argus comments pages are full of spiteful, pig ignorant, clueless, frightened, naive, small minded ****, deep in denial, and suffering from a severe bout of Cognitive Dissonance. They would soil their pants if they had to get up in front of 30 15 year olds and teach them for a day. They would deny a thirsty man a glass of water (as shown a couple of weeks ago), and think that Fracking will bring their energy bills down, instead of inflating the coffers of the energy companies. Your average Argus commentator has the intellectual capabilities of a slug.[/p][/quote]Very well put. Lowering the terms and conditions of teachers does not help recruit and retain the best people. It makes you wonder what sort of person they want to teach their children and grandchildren.HJarrs

PorkyChopper wrote…

DCCCCCC wrote…

Oh Please!!!! wrote…

Listen to you lot having a go at easy targets.

My wife is a primary teacher and works 12 hour days 5-6 days a week. 13 weeks holiday is a dream more like 6 which considering the hours she works is hard. I run my own business and would not treat my staff to the hours she does and certainly not to the abuse when gets from the pushy parents.

She does it because she loves the kids, YOUR KIDS, you don't deserve her or most of her colleagues, as far as I am concerned she should tell the LEA to shove the job and leave you lot festering in your own pool of bile with your kids being taught by what's left. Good luck to you all.

Oh and by the way although she contributes to her pension I am not looking forward to getting fat on it.

I can't be bothered to waste my time arguing with the moronic teacher haters on here who think they know what a teachers job entails and of course, all work so much harder and have it so much worse than teachers. Just because their kids attend school 8.30 to 3 and get 13 weeks holiday a year, they are thick enough to actually think teachers do. And they think that teachers introduced the policy around kids taking time off during term time. Just shows how naive and stupid people are. Know it alls when in fact they know nothing.

The Argus comments pages are full of spiteful, pig ignorant, clueless, frightened, naive, small minded ****, deep in denial, and suffering from a severe bout of Cognitive Dissonance. They would soil their pants if they had to get up in front of 30 15 year olds and teach them for a day. They would deny a thirsty man a glass of water (as shown a couple of weeks ago), and think that Fracking will bring their energy bills down, instead of inflating the coffers of the energy companies. Your average Argus commentator has the intellectual capabilities of a slug.

Very well put. Lowering the terms and conditions of teachers does not help recruit and retain the best people. It makes you wonder what sort of person they want to teach their children and grandchildren.

Score: 3

Idontbelieveit1948
10:35pm Wed 25 Jun 14

Yet again unions seem to be confirming that the phrase "Public Service Worker" is an oxymoron !

Yet again unions seem to be confirming that the phrase "Public Service Worker" is an oxymoron !Idontbelieveit1948

Yet again unions seem to be confirming that the phrase "Public Service Worker" is an oxymoron !

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