I question the true fandom of any Pats fan who calls Belichick "Belidick" .... say what you want about him as a GM but his coaching is top-notch and one of the biggest reasons for this team's success on the field.

Maybe you should not enable a troll like pezzy then? By you creating that bustify moniker and doing what they do, it encourages them.

Please...according to you, anyone who does not agree with your agenda enables trolls. This became clear as soon as you started calling people like jri an "enabler of trolls."

Avvy, here is another example of trolling via rkrap a bandwagon pats fan, but a lifelong jets fan.

Apparently, not enough board members told him he lost our bet.

And I was one of them, even though it was very technical (I believe you had a set time deadline, and the Jets got under it in "x" minutes after the deadline). I think both of you should just drop it, but you did win from what I remember.

I question the true fandom of any Pats fan who calls Belichick "Belidick" .... say what you want about him as a GM but his coaching is top-notch and one of the biggest reasons for this team's success on the field.

Maybe you should not enable a troll like pezzy then? By you creating that bustify moniker and doing what they do, it encourages them.

Please...according to you, anyone who does not agree with your agenda enables trolls. This became clear as soon as you started calling people like jri an "enabler of trolls."

I have never called him a troll. Maybe he did something at some point that encouraged trolling. Sure.

Who do you think "cousteau" is? Are you really that confused?

Your buddy pezzy walks hand in hand with bustchise/cousteau because their agenda is the same.

Did you or did you not just see pezzy call bb "bellidick"? What real fan would ever do that?

This element existS because some let it go unchecked or enable it outright.

Rusty, I was referring to Pezz using that name in my first post that you replied to...so yes I saw it.

And no...you said Jri was enabling trolls when he said something positive about Brady against you (or something along this lines...I could try to find the thread again but I don't want to go digging).

"Dobson and Thompkins impressed as did Harmon and in particular, Collins. That's FIVE NAMES in a draft that had clear, immediate impact. FIVE.

So, everything comes back to Brady. Everything. What will he do to help the team in January? Will he not be asleep for once? Will he?"

Where was Dobson in the AFCCG? 1 catch. Thompkins was out. Logan Ryan? Couldn't stop the force that was 6'3 Demaryius Thomas. Harmon? Invisible. Thomas beasted Collins nabbing 8 catches for 85 yards. The entire defense only gave up 26 points, but allowed 53% 3rd down conversion. FIFTY-THREE PERCENT. Time of possession? Denver with 35 minutes. Are you serious?

How did Brady do? 24-38 for 277 yds and a TD, ran for another too. He may have missed passes to Edelman and Collie, but those were just two passes. The defense couldn't get off the field and couldn't stop Manning.

But to you, it's always Brady's fault.

Here's one more stat. The defense pressured Manning on 3-of 43 dropbacks. An absymal 7%. And this is ALL Brady's fault?

It's a team game. The whole team stunk. We weren't better than the Broncos on that day. We weren't better than the Ravens or the Giants the years before. THE WHOLE TEAM didn't play well enough. End of story.

I must be a blind squirrel a lot here then, because I am 3-0 with bets and have had many predictions come true. MANY.

As for the "joy" comment, you have some problems. Please ask RKrap why he cannot admit why he lost a simple bet. Ask him. The whole point of that bet was to prove to him and everyone here that he was so dumb when it came to understanding the cap, that it would shut him forever. It's had the opposite effect, hasn't it, big mouth?

My joy would be to never see that fraud ever troll this board again. That would be my "joy", moron.

If true that is quite an achievement! Congratulations and continued success!!

If those are the facts, I guess you won by the letter of the law, but karp won by spirit. Fact is, the Jets got out of their cap problems relatively easily. As I've said before, cap hell is generally a short term thing.

If those are the facts, I guess you won by the letter of the law, but karp won by spirit. Fact is, the Jets got out of their cap problems relatively easily. As I've said before, cap hell is generally a short term thing.

That's kind of what I said...Rusty did win the bet but it was on very technical terms (still a win nonetheless).

If those are the facts, I guess you won by the letter of the law, but karp won by spirit. Fact is, the Jets got out of their cap problems relatively easily. As I've said before, cap hell is generally a short term thing.

No. The premise was to have your books ready to go and open for the onset of FA. The Jets were not. That was the crux of why I offered the wager.

I kept saying NE was 25 million under after the 2012 season and the Jets were OVER the cap. They gutted half their starters and then asked the rest to take cuts, which further alienated being to attract quality FAs.

I not only won the bet, I destroyed him before he even accepted the bet. You don't seem to get it either. FAs who want to win don't go to teams who go into another FA period OVER the cap. It means you've over-budgeted and mishandled the long term planning of your roster.

The Pats approach and Jets approach were 180s and RKrap was claiming the Jets disastrous cap position was easily fixable.

As you can see, it's not and it won't be for years to come. They can be 50 million under the cap and they'll still have a thinned out roster that could not have been rebuilt simply by adding a few high end FAs.

No legit FA wants to go there.

I don't usually chime in on these things and I may regret this....nor did I follow this particular dispute closely..

But isn't the underlying issue the football effect of the salary cap management or mismanagement? The salary cap has no significance in the abstract. It only matters because it effects the team on the field. Basically if you grant the relative meaninglessness of 15 minutes then Rkarp is correct that the Jets cut the requisite amount of cap space..but that's not the real point of the "discussion" is it?

The real point is the cost in football terms in which case Rusty's point, whether you like it or not, is valid.

They cleared the space but their team was negatively impacted. If your team is negatviely impacted on the field by virtue of obligatory cap clearing moves then that's a problem.

If those are the facts, I guess you won by the letter of the law, but karp won by spirit. Fact is, the Jets got out of their cap problems relatively easily. As I've said before, cap hell is generally a short term thing.

No. The premise was to have your books ready to go and open for the onset of FA. The Jets were not. That was the crux of why I offered the wager.

I kept saying NE was 25 million under after the 2012 season and the Jets were OVER the cap. They gutted half their starters and then asked the rest to take cuts, which further alienated being to attract quality FAs.

I not only won the bet, I destroyed him before he even accepted the bet. You don't seem to get it either. FAs who want to win don't go to teams who go into another FA period OVER the cap. It means you've over-budgeted and mishandled the long term planning of your roster.

The Pats approach and Jets approach were 180s and RKrap was claiming the Jets disastrous cap position was easily fixable.

As you can see, it's not and it won't be for years to come. They can be 50 million under the cap and they'll still have a thinned out roster that could not have been rebuilt simply by adding a few high end FAs.

No legit FA wants to go there.

I don't usually chime in on these things and I may regret this....nor did I follow this particular dispute closely..

But isn't the underlying issue the football effect of the salary cap management or mismanagement? The salary cap has no significance in the abstract. It only matters because it effects the team on the field. Basically if you grant the relative meaninglessness of 15 minutes then Rkarp is correct that the Jets cut the requisite amount of cap space..but that's not the real point of the "discussion" is it?

The real point is the cost in football terms in which case Rusty's point, whether you like it or not, is valid.

They cleared the space but their team was negatively impacted. If your team is negatviely impacted on the field by virtue of obligatory cap clearing moves then that's a problem.