Intro: "Buried deep in the archives of America's intelligence services are a series of memos, written during the last years of President George W. Bush's administration, that describe how Israeli Mossad officers recruited operatives belonging to the terrorist group Jundallah by passing themselves off as American agents."

The Mossad may have flown a 'false flag' in Israel's covert war with Iran, 08/18/10. (photo: David Silverman/Getty Images)

False Flag: Mossad Agents Posed As CIA to Recruit Terrorists

By Mark Perry, Foreign Policy

14 January 12

This report came on the eve of assertions by the Iranian government that they now have evidence proving the CIA was responsible for the assassination of an Iranian scientist earlier this week. -JPS/RSN

uried deep in the archives of America's intelligence services are a series of memos, written during the last years of President George W. Bush's administration, that describe how Israeli Mossad officers recruited operatives belonging to the terrorist group Jundallah by passing themselves off as American agents. According to two U.S. intelligence officials, the Israelis, flush with American dollars and toting U.S. passports, posed as CIA officers in recruiting Jundallah operatives - what is commonly referred to as a "false flag" operation.

The memos, as described by the sources, one of whom has read them and another who is intimately familiar with the case, investigated and debunked reports from 2007 and 2008 accusing the CIA, at the direction of the White House, of covertly supporting Jundallah - a Pakistan-based Sunni extremist organization. Jundallah, according to the U.S. government and published reports, is responsible for assassinating Iranian government officials and killing Iranian women and children.

But while the memos show that the United States had barred even the most incidental contact with Jundallah, according to both intelligence officers, the same was not true for Israel's Mossad. The memosalso detail CIA field reports saying that Israel's recruiting activities occurred under the nose of U.S. intelligence officers, most notably in London, the capital of one of Israel's ostensible allies, where Mossad officers posing as CIA operatives met with Jundallah officials.

The officials did not know whether the Israeli program to recruit and use Jundallah is ongoing. Nevertheless, they were stunned by the brazenness of the Mossad's efforts.

"It's amazing what the Israelis thought they could get away with," the intelligence officer said. "Their recruitment activities were nearly in the open. They apparently didn't give a damn what we thought."

Interviews with six currently serving or recently retired intelligence officers over the last 18 months have helped to fill in the blanks of the Israeli false-flag operation. In addition to the two currently serving U.S. intelligence officers, the existence of the Israeli false-flag operation was confirmed to me by four retired intelligence officers who have served in the CIA or have monitored Israeli intelligence operations from senior positions inside the U.S. government.

The CIA and the White House were both asked for comment on this story. By the time this story went to press, they had not responded. The Israeli intelligence services - the Mossad - were also contacted, in writing and by telephone, but failed to respond. As a policy, Israel does not confirm or deny its involvement in intelligence operations.

There is no denying that there is a covert, bloody, and ongoing campaign aimed at stopping Iran's nuclear program, though no evidence has emerged connecting recent acts of sabotage and killings inside Iran to Jundallah. Many reports have cited Israel as the architect of this covert campaign, which claimed its latest victim on Jan. 11 when a motorcyclist in Tehran slipped a magnetic explosive device under the car of Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan, a young Iranian nuclear scientist. The explosion killed Roshan, making him the fourth scientist assassinated in the past two years. The United States adamantly denies it is behind these killings.

According to one retired CIA officer, information about the false-flag operation was reported up the U.S. intelligence chain of command. It reached CIA Director of Operations Stephen Kappes, his deputy Michael Sulick, and the head of the Counterintelligence Center. All three of these officials are now retired. The Counterintelligence Center, according to its website, is tasked with investigating "threats posed by foreign intelligence services."

The report then made its way to the White House, according to the currently serving U.S. intelligence officer. The officer said that Bush "went absolutely ballistic" when briefed on its contents.

"The report sparked White House concerns that Israel's program was putting Americans at risk," the intelligence officer told me. "There's no question that the U.S. has cooperated with Israel in intelligence-gathering operations against the Iranians, but this was different. No matter what anyone thinks, we're not in the business of assassinating Iranian officials or killing Iranian civilians."

Israel's relationship with Jundallah continued to roil the Bush administration until the day it left office, this same intelligence officer noted. Israel's activities jeopardized the administration's fragile relationship with Pakistan, which was coming under intense pressure from Iran to crack down on Jundallah. It also undermined U.S. claims that it would never fight terror with terror, and invited attacks in kind on U.S. personnel.

"It's easy to understand why Bush was so angry," a former intelligence officer said. "After all, it's hard to engage with a foreign government if they're convinced you're killing their people. Once you start doing that, they feel they can do the same."

A senior administration official vowed to "take the gloves off" with Israel, according to a U.S. intelligence officer. But the United States did nothing - a result that the officer attributed to "political and bureaucratic inertia."

"In the end," the officer noted, "it was just easier to do nothing than to, you know, rock the boat." Even so, at least for a short time, this same officer noted, the Mossad operation sparked a divisive debate among Bush's national security team, pitting those who wondered "just whose side these guys [in Israel] are on" against those who argued that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

The debate over Jundallah was resolved only after Bush left office when, within his first weeks as president, Barack Obama drastically scaled back joint U.S.-Israel intelligence programs targeting Iran, according to multiple serving and retired officers.

The decision was controversial inside the CIA, where officials were forced to shut down "some key intelligence-gathering operations," a recently retired CIA officer confirmed. This action was followed in November 2010 by the State Department's addition of Jundallah to its list of foreign terrorist organizations - a decision that one former CIA officer called "an absolute no-brainer."

Since Obama's initial order, U.S. intelligence services have received clearance to cooperate with Israel on a number of classified intelligence-gathering operations focused on Iran's nuclear program, according to a currently serving officer. These operations are highly technical in nature and do not involve covert actions targeting Iran's infrastructure or political or military leadership.

"We don't do bang and boom," a recently retired intelligence officer said. "And we don't do political assassinations."

Israel regularly proposes conducting covert operations targeting Iranians, but is just as regularly shut down, according to retired and current intelligence officers. "They come into the room and spread out their plans, and we just shake our heads," one highly placed intelligence source said, "and we say to them - 'Don't even go there. The answer is no.'"

Unlike the Mujahedin-e Khalq, the controversial exiled Iranian terrorist group that seeks the overthrow of the Tehran regime and is supported by former leading U.S. policymakers, Jundallah is relatively unknown - but just as violent. In May 2009, a Jundallah suicide bomber blew himself up inside a mosque in Zahedan, the capital of Iran's southeastern Sistan-Baluchistan province bordering Pakistan, during a Shiite religious festival. The bombing killed 25 Iranians and wounded scores of others.

The attack enraged Tehran, which traced the perpetrators to a cell operating in Pakistan. The Iranian government notified the Pakistanis of the Jundallah threat and urged them to break up the movement's bases along the Iranian-Pakistani border. The Pakistanis reacted sluggishly in the border areas, feeding Tehran's suspicions that Jundallah was protected by Pakistan's intelligence services.

The 2009 attack was just one in a long line of terrorist attacks attributed to the organization. In August 2007, Jundallah kidnapped 21 Iranian truck drivers. In December 2008, it captured and executed 16 Iranian border guards - the gruesome killings were filmed, in a stark echo of the decapitation of American businessman Nick Berg in Iraq at the hands of al Qaeda's Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. In July 2010, Jundallah conducted a twin suicide bombing in Zahedan outside a mosque, killing dozens of people, including members of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps.

The State Department aggressively denies that the U.S. government had or has any ties to Jundallah. "We have repeatedly stated, and reiterate again that the United States has not provided support to Jundallah," a spokesman wrote in an email to the Wall Street Journal, following Jundallah's designation as a terrorist organization. "The United States does not sponsor any form of terrorism. We will continue to work with the international community to curtail support for terrorist organizations and prevent violence against innocent civilians. We have also encouraged other governments to take comparable actions against Jundallah."

A spate of stories in 2007 and 2008, including a report by ABC News and a New Yorkerarticle, suggested that the United States was offering covert support to Jundallah. The issue has now returned to the spotlight with the string of assassinations of Iranian nuclear scientists and has outraged serving and retired intelligence officers who fear that Israeli operations are endangering American lives.

"This certainly isn't the first time this has happened, though it's the worst case I've heard of," former Centcom chief and retired Gen. Joe Hoar said of the Israeli operation upon being informed of it. "But while false-flag operations are hardly new, they're extremely dangerous. You're basically using your friendship with an ally for your own purposes. Israel is playing with fire. It gets us involved in their covert war, whether we want to be involved or not."

The Israeli operation left a number of recently retired CIA officers sputtering in frustration. "It's going to be pretty hard for the U.S. to distance itself from an Israeli attack on Iran with this kind of thing going on," one of them told me.

Jundallah head Abdolmalek Rigi was captured by Iran in February 2010. Although initial reports claimed that he was captured by the Iranians after taking a flight from Dubai to Kyrgyzstan, a retired intelligence officer with knowledge of the incident told me that Rigi was detained by Pakistani intelligence officers in Pakistan. The officer said that Rigi was turned over to the Iranians after the Pakistani government informed the United States that it planned to do so. The United States, this officer said, did not raise objections to the Pakistani decision.

Iran, meanwhile, has consistently claimed that Rigi was snatched from under the eyes of the CIA, which it alleges supported him. "It doesn't matter," the former intelligence officer said of Iran's charges. "It doesn't matter what they say. They know the truth."

Rigi was interrogated, tried, and convicted by the Iranians and hanged on June 20, 2010. Prior to his execution, Rigi claimed in an interview with Iranian media - which has to be assumed was under duress - that he had doubts about U.S. sponsorship of Jundallah. He recounted an alleged meeting with "NATO officials" in Morocco in 2007 that raised his suspicions. "When we thought about it we came to the conclusion that they are either Americans acting under NATO cover or Israelis," he said.

While many of the details of Israel's involvement with Jundallah are now known, many others still remain a mystery - and are likely to remain so. The CIA memos of the incident have been "blue bordered," meaning that they were circulated to senior levels of the broader U.S. intelligence community as well as senior State Department officials.

What has become crystal clear, however, is the level of anger among senior intelligence officials about Israel's actions. "This was stupid and dangerous," the intelligence official who first told me about the operation said. "Israel is supposed to be working with us, not against us. If they want to shed blood, it would help a lot if it was their blood and not ours. You know, they're supposed to be a strategic asset. Well, guess what? There are a lot of people now, important people, who just don't think that's true."

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There is a great deal I'm being told to take on "deep background," and, frankly, given the bias of this publication I find it virtually impossible to buy a theory woven together by unnamed sources. Finally, if the Pakastanis killed Iranian officials, it would be one of the best things I've heard about Pakistan in a very long time.,

I disagree with you, Cicero! Israel is certainly capable of merely recruiting terrorists under a U S flag. After all, have they not passed themselves off as our friends for th past half century - even as they were bombing our well-marked USS Liberty in broad daylight, then strafing our lifeboats and never apologizing?

Say what? You say that they never apologized, explained paid reparations?

Well, that's how it goes between friends. They made it all better with the splendid intel that they supplied abou Iraqi WMD's following 911.

First, Israel had nothing to do with Bush's hair brained WMD. They did however, warn him about 9/11 before it happened, about airplanes crashing into buildings, as did other friends including England.

Second, the Liberty was a CIA operation. The State Department was working with the Israeli military when the first reports came in from the Israeli air force about the ship. Nothing was supposed to be there, but they said it probably was an American ship. The State Department told them it wasn't ours over the radio from their operations suite. The CIA heard this over the same radio, and answered back that it was their ship, that it WAS American and leave it alone. Apparently the alternative theory was the ship was Egyptian and that was told to the air force. They radioed back that they thought it was American. The military asked State again if it was our ship, and again they said it was not American. The CIA had no direct connection to the Israelis. Again they radioed State that the ship was their's and to tell the Israelis to leave it alone. The questioning happened a third time, and when the answer came back a their time, the Israelis fired on the Liberty.

First off, State (Dept) has no idea where specific USN ships are steaming. . . & even less if they are collecting intel - PERIOD!. They will be the first to tell you so.

Next, regardless of what you've heard from AIPAC sycophants, Limbaugh & FOX news, the USS Liberty was clearly a U S Naval vessel in international waters in broad daylight, She was painted haze gray and was flying the jack on the bow staff and the unmistakable stars & stripes on the s stern. The Israel pilots had a perfect view of our ship & our flags. They CANNOT have mistaken her for anything else.

Additionally, literally ALL ships and aircraft guard TWO international VHF voice distress frequencies - 121,5 mc & 243mc. Liberty used these frequencies repeatedly in an attempt to call off the attacks. She got no answer & no results.As for the attack being justified because she was on a CIA mission, horse hockey, woman! Regardless of her mission, American ships are American ships, and historically - except for this one attack by rogue israelis - one fires on a U S Navy ship at his own peril.

So why do you not justify the SOB's strafing Liberty's lifeboats & her defenseless survivors in the water? I dare you.

The State Department has a long history of trying to sabotage Israel. Up until the last minute, State tried to dissuade Truman from voting for Partition, and then recognizing Israel. They were really pissed off at Truman because he didn't follow their directions. State is also at odds with the CIA.

I don't know why they did this, but I heard an interview with one of the CIA agents who was there that day, and whose men were killed because of what State did. Everything was hushed up, but he was retired and didn't think anyone would stop him from talking anymore. Israel on the other hand believed they had shot up an Egyptian ship done up to look like an American ship, until they realized they had been had. Then they said nothing.

kcwells: This is the thrust of the article, and what I will address: "No matter what anyone thinks, we're not in the business of assassinating Iranian officials or killing Iranian civilians."

The CIA is in just that business: The U.S. Senate Select Committee chaired by Senator Frank Church (the Church Committee) reported in 1975 that it had found "concrete evidence of at least eight plots involving the CIA to assassinate Fidel Castro from 1960 to 1965: also look up "Operation Condor" In Fort Benning, Georgia The CIA Teaches assasins and how to overthrough a government... The Association for Responsible Dissent estimates that by 1987, 6 million people had died as a result of CIA covert operations. Former State Department official William Blum correctly calls this an "American Holocaust." Continued

Kcwells: Continued: In 1948, The CIA corrupts democratic elections in Italy, where Italian communists threaten to win the elections. The CIA buys votes, broadcasts propaganda, threatens and beats up opposition leaders, and infiltrates and disrupts their organizations. In 1953, CIA overthrows the democratically elected Mohammed Mossadegh in a military coup, after he threatened to nationalize British oil. The CIA replaces him with a dictator, the Shah of Iran, whose secret police, SAVAK, is as brutal as the Gestapo.in 1954 the CIA overthrows the democratically elected Jacob Arbenz in a military coup. Arbenz has threatened to nationalize the Rockefeller-owned United Fruit Company, in which CIA Director Allen Dulles also owned stock. Arbenz is replaced with a series of right-wing dictators whose bloodthirsty policies will kill over 100,000 Guatemalans in the next 40 years. 1954-1958

North Vietnam — CIA officer Edward Lansdale spends four years trying to overthrow the communist government of North Vietnam, using all the usual dirty tricks. The CIA also attempts to legitimize a tyrannical puppet regime in South Vietnam, headed by Ngo Dinh Diem. These efforts fail to win the hearts and minds of the South Vietnamese because the Diem government is opposed to true democracy, land reform and poverty reduction measures. The CIA’s continuing failure results in escalating American intervention, culminating in the Vietnam War. Continued

Laos — The CIA carries out approximately one coup per year trying to nullify Laos’ democratic elections. The problem is the Pathet Lao, a leftist group with enough popular support to be a member of any coalition government. In the late 50s, the CIA even creates an "Armee Clandestine" of Asian mercenaries to attack the Pathet Lao. After the CIA’s army suffers numerous defeats, the U.S. starts bombing, dropping more bombs on Laos than all the U.S. bombs dropped in World War II. A quarter of all Laotians will eventually become refugees, many living in caves. 1959 Haiti, The U.S. military helps Duvalier become dictator of Haiti. He creates his own private police force, the "Tonton Macoutes," who terrorize the population with machetes. They kill over 100,000 during the Duvalier family reign. The U.S. does not protest their dismal human rights record.

1961 The Bay of Pigs — The CIA sends 1,500 Cuban exiles to invade Castro’s Cuba. But "Operation Mongoose" fails, due to poor planning, security and backing. A promised American air strike also never occurs. This is the CIA’s first public setback, causing President Kennedy to fire CIA Director Allen Dulles.Dominican Republic, The CIA assassinates Rafael Trujillo, a murderous dictator Washington has supported since 1930. Trujillo’s business interests have grown so large (about 60 percent of the economy) that they have begun competing with American business interests. Continued

Kcwells; Continued. 1961. Ecuador — The CIA-backed military forces the democratically elected President Jose Velasco to resign. Vice President Carlos Arosemana replaces him; the CIA fills the now vacant vice presidency with its own man.

Congo (Zaire) — The CIA assassinates the democratically elected Patrice Lumumba. However, public support for Lumumba’s politics runs so high that the CIA cannot clearly install his opponents in power. Four years of political turmoil follow.

1963

Dominican Republic — The CIA overthrows the democratically elected Juan Bosch in a military coup. The CIA installs a repressive, right-wing junta.

Ecuador — A CIA-backed military coup overthrows President Arosemana, whose independent (not socialist) policies have become unacceptable to Washington. A military junta assumes command, cancels the 1964 elections, and begins abusing human rights.1964

Brazil — A CIA-backed military coup overthrows the democratically elected government of Joao Goulart. The junta that replaces it will, in the next two decades, become one of the most bloodthirsty in history. General Castelo Branco will create Latin America’s first death squads, or bands of secret police who hunt down "communists" for torture, interrogation and murder. Often these "communists" are no more than Branco’s political opponents. Later it is revealed that the CIA trains the death squads.

What a disgrace for Israel to use its main friends, Americans, in this manner. They are putting American lives in danger and they need to be punished for that. Maybe giving them much less money for a start.

Let's cut off ALL money. We cannot afford to let them dictate our foreign policy or drag us into another war. They need us-we do not need them. Neither do we need to be held accountable for the crimes of the CIA and the fascists that run it. Unfortunately for us, letting it run amok is not something the world will or should forgive or forget-neither will God

False Flag - By Mark Perry | Foreign Policywww.foreignpolicy.com/node/1138636?page=full1 day ago – Buried deep in the archives of America's intelligence services are a series of memos, written during the last years of President George W. ...

This terrorism is more proof that Israel is nothing but Nazi Germany reincarnated. And the lack of prosecution of terrorists who come and go freely inside the USA with the full knowledge of the State Department is more proof that Mossad is the true government of the USA.

If we all follow up on Mark Perry's story, we just might avoid a new war on Iran. The naysayers should note that the former Centcom chief, General Joe Hoar, said that "this certainly isn't the first time this has happened".

Assassinations and false-flag operations are about as wrong and immoral as anything could be. Americans and Israelis have a special responsibility to rise up against all those in government who support this conduct in any way.

This includes Mr. Obama's use of the drones in Afghanistan and everywhere else. If a line isn't drawn hard and fast, we're going to see them in American cities in a matter of years.

This also includes people like Brig. Gen. Yoav Mordechai, a spokesman for the Israel Defense Forces, who said on his Facebook page Wednesday: "I have no idea who targeted the Iranian scientist but I certainly don't shed a tear." Such a statement is utterly reprehensible.

I addressed this in a former post on RSN with a reference thread for verification. It's nice to be affirmed in larger print.Israel, especially under LIKUD and more especially since Bush the twit (and more quietly during his dad's time as C.I.A. director) has in Mossad, the best-trained, armed and motivated covert army and spy network in the world (British MI6 next), Iran being their natural target. And who knows what they have wrought to undermine Palestinian attempts to come to some kind of agreement and peaceful solution, probably even unto some of the suicide bombings using some of their recruits as kind of Kamakaze "agents provocateurs" (and I'm no conspiracy theorist -just do a lot of digging, cutting and pasting before drawing conclusions like the latter which are mine alone?And "Barbara K", Israel is not "Using it's main friends Americans" -they are deep in all of it, in fact more like the US using Israel as a front and possible fall nation (albeit a nuclear armed one). Where the Hell d'you thing all the arms come from in the first place, and the diverted "drawdown" troops from Iraq?"Doctoretty", go to http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9010171153 for detailed documentation from an independent source. And there are plenty more heavily detailed pieces on the facts but NOT in the US owner-media for obvious reasons, whilst the population dreams on in front of their ever-larger flickering screens.

Thank you for the link, we all need additional sources to round out our views lest we all be victims of the msm."Doctoretty", go to http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9010171153 for detailed documentation from an independent source. And there are plenty more heavily detailed pieces on the facts but NOT in the US owner-media for obvious reasons, whilst the population dreams on in front of their ever-larger flickering screens.

Yes, but neither Israel nor the US ultimately decides foreign policy. They both are used by the same financial cartel that concentrates its wealth and therefore power by fomenting endless war. Although Zionists dictate US policy, they could not do so without the wealth of their international sponsors. Some of the elite may buy into Jewish supremacism--neoconservatives certainly do--, but they are ready to slaughter Jews, as well as everybody else, when it profits them. The nation state is virtually irrelevant, except as a means of framing the propaganda that keeps the masses ignorant and obedient.

There's another story, over 11 years old, that hasn't had much publicity since 2001. It's the story of "The Dancing Israelis," a group of five Israelis posing as Arab/Muslims, who were arrested on 9-11-2001 after several NY City residents called the police, outraged by these men, filming the Twin Towers, high-fiving each other and flicking their BICs as the towers fell. They were held for about two months, before being quietly flown back to Israel. At least two of them were identified as Mossad agents. They said words to the effect of "Our enemies are your enemies: Arab/Muslims." When asked about the filming, they said "We were sent to document the event." Just Google/Bing "Dancing Israelis" and you'll find a lot more details. I also saw two or three of them in a YouTube clip from an Israel TV program where they again said they were sent "to document the event." While it's easy to dismiss this as anti-Semitism, it's not anti-Semitism unless treason and murder were Jewish traits -- and they're not. They're criminal traits, and Jews are no more or less apt to treason and murder than Americans, Iranians, or any other group is.

dorianb@fuse.net, dloehr's post sounds more like anti-Zionism than anti-Semitism to me. After all, the Arabs are at least, if not more, Semitic than many Israelis.

I am opposed to continuing unconditional American support of Israel as long as its agents work to manipulate American foreign policy and as long as the Zionist state aids and abets the theft of Palestinian land and blocks humanitarian aid to those sequestered in the Palestinian ghettos adjacent to Israel.

Opposition to the Nazi Holocaust in no way requires prejudice against Germans just for being Germans, and opposition to the current Zionist Holocaust in no way implies prejudice against Jews just for being Jews. When I was a kid, "anti-Semitism" meant prejudice against Jews. It was something to be ashamed of. Now it only means lack of enthusiasm for genocide committed by the government of Israel.

Everybody "can be an anti-Semite with a clear conscience" now, Marple, thanks to people like you, who have redefined the word by constantly using it to mean merely anybody who lacks enthusiasm for the mass murder of the native Palestinian population, instead one who harbors animosity towards Jews.

This was investigated and found to be untrue. Nobody was held. There were no Mossad agents. Also, they were not Arabs, as you will find in some web postings.

They were making films of many areas of New York. They were in a room on a roof top, when one of the men went out on the roof to have a cigarette and saw the first plane hit the first building. He ran inside to get the others to come out with the camera equipment. For a photographer, it is the opportunity of a life time. News photographers and criminal defense and injury plaintiffs attorneys look at life in a very different way from other people.

They were found to have done nothing wrong. On the other hand, Palistinians on the West Bank were dancing in the streets.

Wher are the photographs they took?The dancing Palestinian video was proven to be be a video taken at previous to the 911 bombing at a totally unrelated event.There's more to the Dancing Israelis then we have been factually informed.

Israel is in a gray area: neither enemy nor friend of the US. Israelis have been convicted for spying on the US, presumably for Israel, e.g., Jonathan Pollard. Wikipedia has entries which can be found by searching "Israeli spy."

It's hard to imagine anything but corruption at the highest levels of both governments accounting for this. It's all about money, I suppose.

Bugbuster, I would say that Israel is for Israel and that is what makes them suspect. Anti-semitism has nothing to do with it. But claims of "Anti-semitism" is undeniably very good cover if there were ever any malicious behavior by Zionists. Caught in a lie, the guilty would just claim to be victims. SOP.

All about money? Well, that and control, power, marketing, public relations, and all other very useful forms of propaganda used to contort everyone into positions that support whatever agenda that needed.

It is common knowledge that in 1953 the CIA overthrew the democratically elected government in Iran. While many Americans are not aware of that fact the mistrust generated from that single event has never been forgotten in the Middle East. And now with all of the rhetoric regarding war in Iran isn't time the people stepped up and said enough is enough?What kind of world do we want to live in? Do the politicians work for us or is the cart truly ahead of the horse?

1981 israel bombed an iraqi nuclear facility. i didn't see a lot of people in the usa crying about that. now they are trying to stop the nuclear enrichment program in iran. it is quite understandable. as far as posing as cia, would an arab help an israeli? false flags are often used even though the partisipents really know the true nature of the people they are dealing with. the israelis are using the religious and political hatred of the sunni to kill their enemy. do you love the dictator of iran? hey johnny, you, the nazi, do you love the lord of tehran? are they putting us in harms way? we are in harms way already. we love when they do this kind of thing. israel has a right to fight to survive. north korea has been helping countries in the area to get this very dangerous stuff, like plutonium, for the last twenty years. this is not a movie people. wake the hell up. there is no one in the us government taking this stuff lightly. and neither should we.

You don't need a PhD in math to compare the number of Palestinians murdered by Zionists to the number of Zionists murdered by Palestinians, or the number of acres stolen by Palestinians from Zionists to the number of acres stolen by Zionists from the Palestinians, and see who is fighting for survival and who is the aggressor. By your reckoning, Dorian, the Nazis were just exercising their right to survive when they slaughtered 6 million Jews.

Hitler murdered 1/3 of all the Jews that existed on the face of the Earth. He took every bit of real and personal property they had, including the gold in their teeth, their hair, and their gold rimmed eye glasses. How is that for some dead reckoning Johnny?

Agatha Christie never would approve of the use of Ms. Marple's name to justify either Holocaust, neither the Nazi Holocaust against the Jews nor the Zionist Holocaust against the native population of Palestine.

So Marple is saying that it was a good thing for Hitler to murder Jews just as she says that it is a good thing for Ben Gurion, Begin, et. al. to murder Muslims and Christians? Got to give her credit at least for being consistent!

Whether the report is true or not true is basically irrelevant. Innately with any event the truth is always somewhere in the middle. Israelis have a right to survive and their national interests do not always dove-tail with ours, as ours didn't completely dove-tail with Britain during WWII. There are always domestic considerations that affect political and military decisions. Only history will really determine the success or failure of any of these actions. The Iranian government is dangerous and their pursuit of nuclear weaponry is a threat to the region, and ourselves. Most folks here would like a clean, non -controversial solution to the problems of international brigands, blackmailing the rest of us. What purpose do these stories serve? Is there an ultimate truth they are revealing? No one for sure knows. Yes, we cooperate on many of these covert actions, so what? Years ago the famous Henry L. Stimson, stated, "Gentlemen don't read other people's mail," when he dismantled our foreign espionage efforts in the 1920's. It was a nice ideal, but misplaced. Later on he served nobly and effectively as FDR's wartime Secretary of War. I believe in regime change in Iran and I hope we can assist in that effort as long as we don't start a war. Is that easy? No! But, in truth, many of our problems in Iran started with the CIA and Kermit Roosevelt in 1953, when we re-placed the Shah on the Peacock throne. They never really forgot.

The Israeli government is dangerous and their pursuit of nuclear weaponry is a threat to the region, and ourselves.We should start with nuclear free Middle East - not Israel bully with 400 nuclear bombs TODAY.

Pursuit of nuclear weaponry? Israel denies they have nuclear weapons, because if they admit it, politically, all the Muslim countries will have to try to get nuclear weapons, and they don't want them. When Israel took out Iraq's nuclear installation, there was no great, sustained out cry. Nor was there when Israel took out Syria's nuclear installation. Aren't you glad they did?

A nuclear Israel will help keep the Muslim country from attacking Israel. Non-nuclear Muslim countries will keep down the war dead, and since they don't have poison gas anymore, because we are out of the selling business, that too will help.

Israel has had nuclear weapons and a delivery system since the 70's. There have been no more wars. If Israel looks like it is going to lose a war, hope that Israel is not going to look like it is losing a war.

Perhaps some information that you did not fine in the New York Times will improve your understanding of who is fighting to survive and who is building settlements on land stolen from natives who were murdered wholesale if they resisted. http://popular-resistance.blogspot.com/2012/01/from-de-bouilon-to-bwn-gurion.html>

People forget, Israel killed 34 American sailors on the USS Liberty in 1967, in a deliberate attack to create a false flag to blame on Egypt and bring us into their side in the 6 Day War. It did not work because their attempt to destroy all ship communications in the initial strafing to prevent notification of the 6th fleet failed.

I am sure they would now love to provoke another incident to get us to attack Iran.

Israel has always treated this country as an essential and useful idiot. As long as we give them financial, political support, and cover in the international community, they are fine with that, but they could not care less about us otherwise. Their attitude towards this nation is is contemptuous.

Yes, the Isreali Defense Forces killed 34 Americans during their 90 minute strafing of the USS Liberty (an NSA spy ship operated by the US Navy Security Service) and NO, it was NOT a false flag operation.

The Israeli Air Force was flying its flag - just as we were flying ours. The USS Liberty was listening to the Israeli high command as they were planning to go to Damascus over US objections - and lying about that in the UN.

It was a warning, not a false flag operation. You can learn more by starting with Wikipedia, then do your own google search to get into the details.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_%28AGTR-5%29

The Israelis falsely claimed that they did not know the USS Liberty was an American ship - in spite of the 20 foot flag flying on it - but that story was for public consumption and the Johnson administration pretended to accept it when Israel made payments to the families of the dead.

The Sixth Fleet commander sent fighters to rescue the Liberty, but Lyndon Johnson called them back. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out why. Ben Gurion had Kennedy killed because Kennedy opposed the Israeli nuclear weapons program, but needed and received the cooperation of Lyndon Johnson who wanted to be president of the United States. Johnson knew that if he did not obey his orders from Israel, including the order to allow the Zionists to murder 34 US sailors without a military reply, the Zionists could tell the world the truth about how Johnson became president.

I thought Castro had Kennedy killed because Kennedy tried to kill him. Or, the CIA killed Kennedy, because he was going to pull our troops out of Viet Nam. Or, the Russians had Kennedy killed because he had humiliated them at the Cuban missile crisis. Or Johnson had him killed, because he wanted to be President.

km0591 is absolutely correct. The U.S.S. Liberty was flying a large U.S. flag and had U.S. Navy markings. Were the Israelis, who perpetrated the killing of our sailors, ever held accountable? NO! It just goes to show how the Israelis are allowed to get away with murder and other illegal acts. Untouchables? Sure looks like it to me!

So much hatred, so much distrust and division.If what Marx wrote is true that religion is the opium of the people then Muslim, Jewish and Christians are hooked on opium tainted with steroids. Each group believes their holy book reveals the truth and that it's their way or the highway. Until we all recover from our addiction to religion the hatred, the killing, the spying and sinister plots will continue.Humanity needs to have a paradigm shift or we will blow up this planet.How about this from a bumper sticker:The world is my countryHumankind is my brethren and To do good is my religion.

Religion generally rationalizes genocide. It almost never opposes the slaughter of heretics and infidels. But it is not the cause of genocide. It is a pretext that the idiot masses swallow for wars of aggression and pirate raids by ruling elites who, themselves, don't care a fig for religion.

Cambridgemac, you don't know what you are talking about and Wikipedia is a poor source on this. A "warning?" That makes no sense at all. Israel was not in the strategic position to warn or threaten the US at that time, that is ridiculous on the face of it.

In addition to strafing, this attack went on for hours, including multiple 20mm and 40mm shell attacks by torpedo boats, strafing lifeboats, and, finally sending in special forces to ensure there were no survivors. The special forces turned back after they were informed that the whole attack had been uncovered. That is not a warning, that was an attack to completely destroy the Liberty without survivors to then blame on an enemy of Israel.

of course Israel is to blame for the wanton killing of u.s. sailors in the liberty incident. I was one of those sailors in 1955-1959, and i do not take it lightly. Johnson, for political reasons, downplayed that horrible act of betrayal by Israel. at the time, Israel had told the united nations that they would obey the cease fire order that the UN had ordered. however, they were still in the process of taking the Golan heights and the wailing wall, the most sacred area in the world to them.

religion makes people do irrational things. the heights were important because Syria was using them to lob shells down on innocent people living in kibbutz's below. that was their goal in that war. they wanted Egypt to attack them in the desert, where they knew they could beat them badly, and wiped out their air power in a matter of minutes. i was unaware that money was given to the families of the dead and wounded. that ship also cost a fortune and was a listening ship with the most modern communications facilities in the world at the time. like the uss pueblo that was captured by the north Koreans. that they would not be able to send an sos to the fleet was impossible. first an Israeli plan flew over. the captain made the crew run up the big flag to remind the Israelis that this was a friendly ship. they had time to radio the fleet and they did. afterwards the jets shot out the communications equipment on the top of the ship. their mission was to silence the ship, so they could finish what was very well planned without our government stopping them. it was a bloody message that Johnson and dag got back in America.

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