Marrying your rapist isn't justice, Faith. Executing a rape victim because she didn't cry for help isn't justice. What kind of twisted morality do you have here?

Well, y9ou are determined to make something evil out of a good. In the context of the ancient society where the rape victim would only have been further victimized if the rapist didn't marry her, punishing him by death would only leave her vulnerable to more dangers. The rapist in the other example where the betrothed woman did resist was put to death, it was because she was going to have a husband to protect her. It doesn't sound very pleasant to have to marry the man who raped you but in the context of that society it would have been far better than the alternative: he gets to go on living but has to take care of the woman he raped, and she gets the protection of marriage.

And, really, the whole point of putting both to death in the case where the woman didn't cry out or resist, in a town where she would have been heard, is that she wasn't being raped, so they both bore the usual penalty for adultery. Pretty obvious I would think.

You do need to try to picture things as they were in those days to get the principle involved and see why the decision is justice. In a society where a bunch of men could avenge their sister's rape by murdering the entire family of the rapist, and not be punished for it, things were just a tad different than In our complex society.

You are also making way too much of the word "adultery." It's the one commandment out of the ten that deals with sexual sins of all kinds, it stands for every kind of sexual violation.

Well, y9ou are determined to make something evil out of a good. In the context of the ancient society where the rape victim would only have been further victimized if he didn't marry her, punishing the rapist by death would only leave her vulnerable to more dangers. So whereas the rapist in the other example where the betrothed woman did resist was put to death, it wouldn't serve the rape victim in the other case to put him to death. It doesn't sound very pleasant to have to marry the man who raped you but in the context of that society it would have been far better than the alternative.

The alternative is for Yahweh, who seems more than capable of dispensing clear-cut guidelines for a rebellious society, to lay out laws that are actually just -- regardless of the patriarchal social structure of this ancient society. Instead, Yahweh simply caves in to the idiosyncrasies of a culture that denied the humanity of women. (Meanwhile, Yahweh is eager to exact vengeance on those who harm his inferiority-complex-laden ego)

And, really, the whole point of putting both to death when the woman didn't cry out or resist in a town where she would have been heard is that she wasn't being raped.

Apparently Yahweh (and you) don't understand the psychology of individuals who are being actively raped.

You are also making way too much of the word "adultery." It's the one commandment that deals with sexual sins of all kinds, it stands for every kind of sexual violation.

I mean, I know how to read Hebrew so maybe you'd like to show me exactly how the Hebrew word תִנְאָף (appearing in Exodus 20:12) translates to "sexual sins of all kinds."

I'm sure God knows exactly what is going on in the rape victim and has all kinds of comfort to offer, as well as justice, but he can't do anything to help someone who is yelling at him and calling him names. Asking for help would be a start.

It is a fact that Margaret Sanger who founded Planned Parenthood used the ToE to justify her belief that the black races are inferior to whites ...

Well, that's what you say about her. Now let's hear what Martin Luther King had to say about her:

There is a striking kinship between our movement and Margaret Sanger's early efforts. She, like we, saw the horrifying conditions of ghetto life. Like we, she knew that all of society is poisoned by cancerous slums. Like we, she was a direct actionist - a nonviolent resister. She was willing to accept scorn and abuse until the truth she saw was revealed to the millions. At the turn of the century she went into the slums and set up a birth control clinic, and for this deed she went to jail because she was violating an unjust law. Yet the years have justified her actions. She launched a movement which is obeying a higher law to preserve human life under humane conditions. Margaret Sanger had to commit what was then called a crime in order to enrich humanity, and today we honor her courage and vision; for without them there would have been no beginning. Our sure beginning in the struggle for equality by nonviolent direct action may not have been so resolute without the tradition established by Margaret Sanger and people like her.

Theo writes """Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?"""

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Posters, please stay on topic, rather than blaming damnable deplorable insane crazy church systems as if they represent Jesus...

We are HEREIN, discussing your deplorable system and theory called evolution and how it supports and promotes the idea of racism.

Please stay on topic

.The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

I see that your cluelessness has no bounds. What you just cut and pasted is my signature. If you look at the bottom of this post you will see it again. That is attached to all my posts. That was not my response to you. How about you address what I post, not what your feverish mind thinks I posted.

Theodoric writes:

So germ theory applies outside of biology? How does it apply to cosmology? or gravitation?

Also, nothing in my signature has a fracking thing to do with.

Davidj writes:

rather than blaming damnable deplorable insane crazy church systems as if they represent Jesus...

You will notice neither church systems or Jesus are in my signature. Stop lying about what I post.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

But no one has offered any evidence that either the fact of evolution or the Theory of Evolution address the practice of racism while the Bible shows the God character in the story not just admitting the practice of racism but in fact intentionally creating racism and nationality as a method of disrupting a peaceful and productive human society.

Perhaps you have never read the Bible so here it is again for you.

Genesis 11:1-9 writes:

11 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.

2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.

3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.

4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.

5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.

6 And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.

9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

Sorry Charley; looks like it was the Biblical God that screwed everything up again.

Don't try to blame either the fact of evolution or the Theory of Evolution when it was the very little god you try to market that caused the problem.

Brethren and non brethren, there is way too much venting going on HERE of topics off TOPIC, so stay on topic.

This thread is about evolution and how it is a basis for racism.

All people are racist naturally, all people want to deem themselves better than others. (SEE Parable of Two guys prayingin the Great Pychology Book) All races want to think their race is superior, all people and all races have enslaved other races, when given the opportunity, all races are racist. Its human pychology. They hate equality because then they would have to have love and would have to share in equality and would have to treat all with respect. That is not seen in human history.

Now, to elevate this evil of racism in the human heart, a stupid insane theory of evolution came along, that helps support this racism in mens and womens hearts (Remember males and females are the same, no different...equal in racism unless delivered by love and equality and justice and truth via the Lord of Lords).

So again what we are discussing HERE is how evolution helps establish vile racism as an underlying reason for one race hating and putting down another inferior race, because they are supposedly SUPERIOR. Or if the double speak evolutionists deny this, lets use the word, one race is supposedly more viable and better able to survive because of their backbones, bloodlines, intelligence, athleticism, etc etc etc etc etc...

.The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.