I love how the NO side keep repeating "Vote NO to end austerity"!!! As if upon rejection of the Treaty the National Debt will wipe itself out and the National Accounts will mysteriously balance

Exactly! Funnily enough a rejection of the treaty would lock us out from further ESM funding and mean we'd have to balance the books a lot faster (if we can't return to the bond markets, that is), which would mean much tougher austerity in a much shorter time-frame.

I also don't get how voting no will get rid of property taxes or water charges?

On a side note, the far-left in Ireland must be the only parties of their kind anywhere in the world who are against property taxes (which is ironic since they keep calling for a 'wealth tax', yet 72% of Irish wealth is bound up in property and the rest is in forms which can easily be moved overseas).

Exactly! Funnily enough a rejection of the treaty would lock us out from further ESM funding and mean we'd have to balance the books a lot faster (if we can't return to the bond markets, that is), which would mean much tougher austerity in a much shorter time-frame.

I also don't get how voting no will get rid of property taxes or water charges?

On a side note, the far-left in Ireland must be the only parties of their kind anywhere in the world who are against property taxes (which is ironic since they keep calling for a 'wealth tax', yet 72% of Irish wealth is bound up in property and the rest is in forms which can easily be moved overseas).

Unbelievable. The only policy they have is this "wealth tax".....and they are decidedly vague about who exactly is wealthy! IMO, you'd probably qualify for the tax once you work for a living and don't vote extreme left!!

I have even heard some of their talking heads advocating taxing foreign assets should wealthy people try to move money abroad! Hmmmm immagine if Barack Obama were to tax all the assets American Coporations and Individuals held in Ireland....how would that work out for us???!!!

Also, say they could raise the 5 billion from a weailt tax, and 5 billion is an awfully convenient round figure......thats only a tiny part of our deficit. Given that SF/ULA oppose Water Charges and Local Taxes as you say Catmalojin, and given that SF in their budget submission proposed free meals for ALL school children......where does the rest of the money come from??!!

I dont know. A lot of people I have asked are voting no. Basically most of the people I have asked said that they are voting no.

I actually haven't spoken to too many about it....I have found that the No voters are much more vocal, agressively so!

Looking at the turnout figures just now, I think it could actually be a No.

One one hand, if the No side wins the Sinners will be all over the place. On the other, I think a No vote will cause so many problems that it might ultimately highlight the fact that the No to everything brigade are talking crap!

Looking at the turnout figures just now, I think it could actually be a No.

I cant believe what I have just heard. Over half the voters didn't turn up. Is a disgrace and I cant believe I am going to say this but people in this country deserve what they get now. People died for our right to vote. Its an outrage and I am disgusted. If you didn't vote then you dont get to complain if something goes wrong. Thats how I look at it now.

To be fair thougn if its a matter of you couldn't vote then fair enough and my anger is not pointed towards those people and I understand if some people just couldn't vote.

I cant believe what I have just heard. Over half the voters didn't turn up. Is a disgrace and I cant believe I am going to say this but people in this country deserve what they get now. People died for our right to vote. Its an outrage and I am disgusted. If you didn't vote then you dont get to complain if something goes wrong. Thats how I look at it now.

To be fair thougn if its a matter of you couldn't vote then fair enough and my anger is not pointed towards those people and I understand if some people just couldn't vote.

Sorry for the rant lads.

You are spot on here. This Treaty whilst not an end in itself was actually fairly important.

Ironically, I'l bet its the individuals who didn't vote who do the most moaning!