stoli n coke:Gee, if only there was a warning letting people know they should keep things out of the reach of children. Oh, right. They're right on the side of the farking e-cig box.

Any child deaths from this, I'm chalking up to shiatty parenting and Darwin.

Oh my, it does say that. First time I read it though. Then again if I had any kids I'd probably want to poison them anyway. Why do they capitalize "Children & Pets"? They said "children" twice on the warning label. They must like children,.

Herr Morgenstern:Can someone explain to me like I'm three why ecigs are bad for you? Aside from the obvious chemical addiction, that is?

Because it looks like your still smoking. And we can't have that. A lot of work has gone into publicly shaming smokers, and they can't figure out a way around that stigma that involves still enjoying themselves.

On the other hand, if you were stupid enough to start smoking, then you damn well ought to pay the piper when it comes to quitting cold turkey.

Herr Morgenstern:Can someone explain to me like I'm three why ecigs are bad for you? Aside from the obvious chemical addiction, that is?

Nicotine IS a poison. It restricts your bloodvessels, so a high concentration (such as in that E-cig fluid) will kill you or the ususpecting child if ingested.

BTW, if you wanna kill someone, then put a pack of cigarettes in water and let it sit for a few hours. Then filter the tobacco and paper from the water. Then somehow get them to drink that foul smelling water and BAM - they die from a mix of asphyxiation, heart attack and blood clots.

Herr Morgenstern:Can someone explain to me like I'm three why ecigs are bad for you? Aside from the obvious chemical addiction, that is?

It's because the addiction is such a pain in the ass. Much like cigarettes, you have to make sure you always have a supply, but instead of going to 7-11 once a week, you order it online. Yeah, it's a bit cheaper but still dings my credit card each month. And then you have to make sure it's full and charged when you go anywhere or even don't go anywhere. I've gpt 3 batteries charging right now. They take forever to charge. I wish I could get the space on my desk back that they're taking up.

But the worst thing about e-cigs is they're not actually cigarettes. There's nothing like setting actual tobacco on fire and smoking it. It's the shizzit and some vaporized nicotine doesn't even come close to that experience,

And the addiction is what really sucks. When I was growing up all I heard was "smoking is bad". Of course I ignored that, but did anyone ever once say "smoking is addictive"? No!

Herr Morgenstern:Can someone explain to me like I'm three why ecigs are bad for you? Aside from the obvious chemical addiction, that is?

Because addiction is bad! What's in the e-cig vials is unregulated!(1)No safety studies!(2)

1. most are marketed in Europe where there are already requirements2. which they oppose doing. Still, studies of the common ingredients shows that it *should* be substantially safer than real cigarettes.

Public Savant:Nicotine IS a poison. It restricts your bloodvessels, so a high concentration (such as in that E-cig fluid) will kill you or the ususpecting child if ingested.

BTW, if you wanna kill someone, then put a pack of cigarettes in water and let it sit for a few hours. Then filter the tobacco and paper from the water. Then somehow get them to drink that foul smelling water and BAM - they die from a mix of asphyxiation, heart attack and blood clots.

Saying "nicotine is a poison" is almost nonsensical. EVERYTHING is a poison, taken in large enough quantities. Hundreds of children die every year of acute dihydrogen monoxide poisoning. It's proven to be more dangerous than nicotine. Where's the regulation to protect the children from this dangerous substance?

Alonjar:Herr Morgenstern: Can someone explain to me like I'm three why ecigs are bad for you? Aside from the obvious chemical addiction, that is?

They mostly arent. Nicotine has a number of health issues related to it, but thats about it. All the other dangers of smoking are essentially removed from the equation.

Yeah, it's just the nicotine, nature's pesticide. Inhaling toxic smoke does all sorts of bad things, but nicotine is the main toxin in cigarette smoke. Nearly as many people die of strokes and heart attacks caused by smoking as die of lung disease, and nicotine is what causes the cardiovascular problems. E-cigs are just as bad as cigarettes when it comes to delivering that daily dose of heart poison.

Elegy:Public Savant: Nicotine IS a poison. It restricts your bloodvessels, so a high concentration (such as in that E-cig fluid) will kill you or the ususpecting child if ingested.

BTW, if you wanna kill someone, then put a pack of cigarettes in water and let it sit for a few hours. Then filter the tobacco and paper from the water. Then somehow get them to drink that foul smelling water and BAM - they die from a mix of asphyxiation, heart attack and blood clots.

/RIP, you unsuspecting guppies from that high school project.

Ah, this old chestnut. You are aware that since nicotine has been divorced from tobacco smoke as a delivery method, numerous medicinal uses of nicotine have been found? Everything from treating and preventing ulcerative colitis, Alzheimer's and OCD to the management of OCD.

Saying "nicotine is a poison" is almost nonsensical. EVERYTHING is a poison, taken in large enough quantities. Hundreds of children die every year of acute dihydrogen monoxide poisoning. It's proven to be more dangerous than nicotine. Where's the regulation to protect the children from this dangerous substance?

The dose makes the poison, true, but the amount of nicotine used in medical treatment is miniscule compared to the amount you get in recreational use. Shooting nicotine vapor into your lungs won't kill you in the short term, but it will greatly reduce your health in later life, and shorten your lifespan.

gfid:stoli n coke: Gee, if only there was a warning letting people know they should keep things out of the reach of children. Oh, right. They're right on the side of the farking e-cig box.

Any child deaths from this, I'm chalking up to shiatty parenting and Darwin.

Oh my, it does say that. First time I read it though. Then again if I had any kids I'd probably want to poison them anyway. Why do they capitalize "Children & Pets"? They said "children" twice on the warning label. They must like children,.

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier:So if the baby eats pot, it'll eat a lot of food, drool, and stare wishfully at simple things? Who the hell could tell?

THIS.

FTA:Ingesting e-liquid can give children a harmful or even deadly dose of nicotine. Rodgers said many cartridges contain more than 14 milligrams, enough to cause harm."And since children are not used to consuming nicotine, their symptoms may be more severe at lower levels," he said.Symptoms include hyperactivity, flushing, sweating, headache, dizziness, rapid heart rate, vomiting and diarrhea. Even small amounts on a child's skin can cause irritation and a burning sensation. In very severe cases, a child's heart rate and blood pressure may drop dangerously low, resulting in a coma or even death.

drjekel_mrhyde:I seen people sit 10' away from their kids, texting, and watching TV while the kids ate out the dog bowl

Last night at dinner: 7 year old: I'm NOT HUNGRY!Dad: Ea your dinner.7 year old: I HATE IT. I'm NOT EATING IT.Dad: Fine.7 year old: I WANT ICECREAM!Dad: You said you weren't hungry.7 year old: MOM! Dad's being MEAN to me!Mom: For heaven's sake, give him some icecream.

stoli n coke:Herr Morgenstern: Can someone explain to me like I'm three why ecigs are bad for you? Aside from the obvious chemical addiction, that is?

Because it looks like your still smoking. And we can't have that. A lot of work has gone into publicly shaming smokers, and they can't figure out a way around that stigma that involves still enjoying themselves.

But the worst thing about e-cigs is they're not actually cigarettes. There's nothing like setting actual tobacco on fire and smoking it. It's the shizzit and some vaporized nicotine doesn't even come close to that experience,

I haven't had a cigarette in 3 days (which has not happened in 23 years) and vaping is satisfying some of that nicotine craving. But there have been a couple times in the past two days that I've thought about trading one of my kids for a cigarette for the reasons you reference...

Public Savant:Elegy: Public Savant: Nicotine IS a poison. It restricts your bloodvessels, so a high concentration (such as in that E-cig fluid) will kill you or the ususpecting child if ingested.

Saying "nicotine is a poison" is almost nonsensical. EVERYTHING is a poison, taken in large enough quantities.

Go here: http://www.durham.gov.uk/pages/Service.aspx?ServiceId=380

Press Ctrl + F. Thin type 'nicotine'.

Oh, my - it's a poison!

Also, you should make sure that you don't ingest any dihydrogen monoxide for at least a week. It would solve a few problems, I'm sure of it.

Wow. You provided me with evidence that the city of Durham, United Kingdom, has regulated nicotine as a poison and requires for you to have a valid permit to sell nicotine inside city limits.

Truly, you have proven beyond a shadow of scientific doubt that nicotine has no therapeutic benefits.

That sure taught me not to tangle with one of the foremost giants of intellectual debate currently active on the Internet. Let this be a lesson to everyone! Don't tangle with Public Savant! He'll bury you under a blizzard of peer review citations and make you look like a fool!

mbillips:Elegy: Public Savant: Nicotine IS a poison. It restricts your bloodvessels, so a high concentration (such as in that E-cig fluid) will kill you or the ususpecting child if ingested.

BTW, if you wanna kill someone, then put a pack of cigarettes in water and let it sit for a few hours. Then filter the tobacco and paper from the water. Then somehow get them to drink that foul smelling water and BAM - they die from a mix of asphyxiation, heart attack and blood clots.

/RIP, you unsuspecting guppies from that high school project.

Ah, this old chestnut. You are aware that since nicotine has been divorced from tobacco smoke as a delivery method, numerous medicinal uses of nicotine have been found? Everything from treating and preventing ulcerative colitis, Alzheimer's and OCD to the management of OCD.

Saying "nicotine is a poison" is almost nonsensical. EVERYTHING is a poison, taken in large enough quantities. Hundreds of children die every year of acute dihydrogen monoxide poisoning. It's proven to be more dangerous than nicotine. Where's the regulation to protect the children from this dangerous substance?

The dose makes the poison, true, but the amount of nicotine used in medical treatment is miniscule compared to the amount you get in recreational use. Shooting nicotine vapor into your lungs won't kill you in the short term, but it will greatly reduce your health in later life, and shorten your lifespan.

Now we're talking valid debate.

Ok, so first - I doubt there are any studies that show the long term effects of just injesting (absorbing, inhaling, whatever) nicotine over a lifespan, primarily because nicotine only delivery systems haven't been around that long. Also, until ecigs came along (c. 2006) nicotine-only delivery was used exclusively for smoking cessation and not recreation.

Now that that's out of the way I'll freely admit that inhaling vapor all day every day is likely to have negative health effects? The question is, how much? As much as a lifetime of drinking coffee every day? As bad as working outside in a major metropolitian area? As bad as eating McDonald's for dinner every night of your life?

Elegy:Public Savant: Elegy: Public Savant: Nicotine IS a poison. It restricts your bloodvessels, so a high concentration (such as in that E-cig fluid) will kill you or the ususpecting child if ingested.

Saying "nicotine is a poison" is almost nonsensical. EVERYTHING is a poison, taken in large enough quantities.

Go here: http://www.durham.gov.uk/pages/Service.aspx?ServiceId=380

Press Ctrl + F. Thin type 'nicotine'.

Oh, my - it's a poison!

Also, you should make sure that you don't ingest any dihydrogen monoxide for at least a week. It would solve a few problems, I'm sure of it.

Wow. You provided me with evidence that the city of Durham, United Kingdom, has regulated nicotine as a poison and requires for you to have a valid permit to sell nicotine inside city limits.

Truly, you have proven beyond a shadow of scientific doubt that nicotine has no therapeutic benefits.

That sure taught me not to tangle with one of the foremost giants of intellectual debate currently active on the Internet. Let this be a lesson to everyone! Don't tangle with Public Savant! He'll bury you under a blizzard of peer review citations and make you look like a fool!

abrobi:Elegy: Public Savant: Elegy: Public Savant: Nicotine IS a poison. It restricts your bloodvessels, so a high concentration (such as in that E-cig fluid) will kill you or the ususpecting child if ingested.

Saying "nicotine is a poison" is almost nonsensical. EVERYTHING is a poison, taken in large enough quantities.

Go here: http://www.durham.gov.uk/pages/Service.aspx?ServiceId=380

Press Ctrl + F. Thin type 'nicotine'.

Oh, my - it's a poison!

Also, you should make sure that you don't ingest any dihydrogen monoxide for at least a week. It would solve a few problems, I'm sure of it.

Wow. You provided me with evidence that the city of Durham, United Kingdom, has regulated nicotine as a poison and requires for you to have a valid permit to sell nicotine inside city limits.

Truly, you have proven beyond a shadow of scientific doubt that nicotine has no therapeutic benefits.

That sure taught me not to tangle with one of the foremost giants of intellectual debate currently active on the Internet. Let this be a lesson to everyone! Don't tangle with Public Savant! He'll bury you under a blizzard of peer review citations and make you look like a fool!

DisplacedTexan:abrobi: Elegy: Public Savant: Elegy: Public Savant: Nicotine IS a poison. It restricts your bloodvessels, so a high concentration (such as in that E-cig fluid) will kill you or the ususpecting child if ingested.

Saying "nicotine is a poison" is almost nonsensical. EVERYTHING is a poison, taken in large enough quantities.

Go here: http://www.durham.gov.uk/pages/Service.aspx?ServiceId=380

Press Ctrl + F. Thin type 'nicotine'.

Oh, my - it's a poison!

Also, you should make sure that you don't ingest any dihydrogen monoxide for at least a week. It would solve a few problems, I'm sure of it.

Wow. You provided me with evidence that the city of Durham, United Kingdom, has regulated nicotine as a poison and requires for you to have a valid permit to sell nicotine inside city limits.

Truly, you have proven beyond a shadow of scientific doubt that nicotine has no therapeutic benefits.

That sure taught me not to tangle with one of the foremost giants of intellectual debate currently active on the Internet. Let this be a lesson to everyone! Don't tangle with Public Savant! He'll bury you under a blizzard of peer review citations and make you look like a fool!

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npg/npgd0446.html

It is a poison. An insecticide by the CDC's view of it.

And?

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh /npg/npgd0262.html

Yes but you're trying to say classifying nicotine as a poison is ridiculous, and it's not.

abrobi:Elegy: Public Savant: Elegy: Public Savant: Nicotine IS a poison. It restricts your bloodvessels, so a high concentration (such as in that E-cig fluid) will kill you or the ususpecting child if ingested.

Saying "nicotine is a poison" is almost nonsensical. EVERYTHING is a poison, taken in large enough quantities.

Go here: http://www.durham.gov.uk/pages/Service.aspx?ServiceId=380

Press Ctrl + F. Thin type 'nicotine'.

Oh, my - it's a poison!

Also, you should make sure that you don't ingest any dihydrogen monoxide for at least a week. It would solve a few problems, I'm sure of it.

Wow. You provided me with evidence that the city of Durham, United Kingdom, has regulated nicotine as a poison and requires for you to have a valid permit to sell nicotine inside city limits.

Truly, you have proven beyond a shadow of scientific doubt that nicotine has no therapeutic benefits.

That sure taught me not to tangle with one of the foremost giants of intellectual debate currently active on the Internet. Let this be a lesson to everyone! Don't tangle with Public Savant! He'll bury you under a blizzard of peer review citations and make you look like a fool!

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npg/npgd0446.html

It is a poison. An insecticide by the CDC's view of it.

You guys know this argument is completely silly, right? Yes, nicotine is a poison. So are half the other things in your house.

What did all the haters think people were going to do when they made smoking practically impossible? Quit cold turkey overnight and just suffer because it's what they deserve?

I think this is about punishment for "poor choices", and the anti-smokers want smokers to suffer because they lost someone to smoking and it hurt their feelings. Or they had to smell smoke and it stinks and so smokers must pay. Something like that.

HeartBurnKid:abrobi: Elegy: Public Savant: Elegy: Public Savant: Nicotine IS a poison. It restricts your bloodvessels, so a high concentration (such as in that E-cig fluid) will kill you or the ususpecting child if ingested.

Saying "nicotine is a poison" is almost nonsensical. EVERYTHING is a poison, taken in large enough quantities.

Go here: http://www.durham.gov.uk/pages/Service.aspx?ServiceId=380

Press Ctrl + F. Thin type 'nicotine'.

Oh, my - it's a poison!

Also, you should make sure that you don't ingest any dihydrogen monoxide for at least a week. It would solve a few problems, I'm sure of it.

Wow. You provided me with evidence that the city of Durham, United Kingdom, has regulated nicotine as a poison and requires for you to have a valid permit to sell nicotine inside city limits.

Truly, you have proven beyond a shadow of scientific doubt that nicotine has no therapeutic benefits.

That sure taught me not to tangle with one of the foremost giants of intellectual debate currently active on the Internet. Let this be a lesson to everyone! Don't tangle with Public Savant! He'll bury you under a blizzard of peer review citations and make you look like a fool!

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npg/npgd0446.html

It is a poison. An insecticide by the CDC's view of it.

You guys know this argument is completely silly, right? Yes, nicotine is a poison. So are half the other things in your house.

Elegy:Ah, this old chestnut. You are aware that since nicotine has been divorced from tobacco smoke as a delivery method, numerous medicinal uses of nicotine have been found? Everything from treating and preventing ulcerative colitis, Alzheimer's and OCD to the management of OCD.

Saying "nicotine is a poison" is almost nonsensical. EVERYTHING is a poison, taken in large enough quantities. Hundreds of children die every year of acute dihydrogen monoxide poisoning. It's proven to be more dangerous than nicotine. Where's the regulation to protect the children from this dangerous substance?

Dihydrogen monoxide is essential for life. An expensive habit that the body doesn't need isn't

I'm not even trying to convince people not to smoke, but the medical argument is tenuous at best. There are lots and lots of substances that are very useful medically, but that only makes them LESS appropriate for liberal application by someone addicted to the effects in an uncontrolled manner.

stoli n coke:Herr Morgenstern: Can someone explain to me like I'm three why ecigs are bad for you? Aside from the obvious chemical addiction, that is?

Because it looks like your still smoking. And we can't have that. A lot of work has gone into publicly shaming smokers, and they can't figure out a way around that stigma that involves still enjoying themselves.

Nothing particularly. It's the current bugaboo the NIMBY's like to fuss over, Big Pharma wants to scare you away from because they eat into the profits of their ineffective NRT products, and governments want to warn you away from because it eats into tobacco tax revenue. Everyone else who decries them and isn't a NIMBY is doing so because they're in the pocket of one of the other two.

E-cig liquid contains nicotine, propylene glycol (which you already consume regularly as it's in many, many things), vegetable glycerine (which you've also consumed, often used as the base for liquid medications), and food-grade flavourings. PG and VG vapor are about the same, and have been extensively studied since the 40s and are generally recognized as safe. Nicotine unto itself isn't particularly harmful when inhaled in E-cigs, about on par in terms of addictiveness and effect on the body as caffeine. It's highly poisonous if you drink it though, so yeah... don't do that. And if you're stupid enough to leave it around for your kid to get at, you shouldn't be a parent, same as if you leave bleach or cleaners or other crap within ankle-biter reach. Any any every E-cigarette and liquid manufacturer will state that right on the label.