I think the season starts off with biedrins starting, but if POB is everything 32 says he is, he will supplant him pretty quick. Foyle has no business starting...zero, none. I have always differed with uptempo as to his motivation and effort, which I think are plentiful, but we do not disagree that the play of adonal is woeful

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Big men are different. College isn't always an NBA-like situation for them (like it is for most forwards and some guards). Look at Adonal Foyle's college numbers. He was a savage at Colgate. Same with Ben Wallace (as a sophomore) at Cuyahoga Community College. He averaged 24 points a game and 17 boards.

Now look at a guy like PJ Brown (who played at Louisiana Tech which, in '91, was in a very similar division to what Bradley is today... legit action for big men, not a cake walk like most divisions in college). As a senior, he averaged 12 and 9. In the NBA, he averages (pretty much every year) 12 and 9.

Division counts a lot, when it comes to big men. That's why college numbers can be so deceiving.

#32 wrote:Big men are different. College isn't always an NBA-like situation for them (like it is for most forwards and some guards). Look at Adonal Foyle's college numbers. He was a savage at Colgate. Same with Ben Wallace (as a sophomore) at Cuyahoga Community College. He averaged 24 points a game and 17 boards.

Now look at a guy like PJ Brown (who played at Louisiana Tech which, in '91, was in a very similar division to what Bradley is today... legit action for big men, not a cake walk like most divisions in college). As a senior, he averaged 12 and 9. In the NBA, he averages (pretty much every year) 12 and 9.

Division counts a lot, when it comes to big men. That's why college numbers can be so deceiving.

Say what you want; everyone acknowledged that the big men allowed for legit, NBA-like competition. O'Bryant came from the division you wanted a big man to play in this year. Doesn't mean the teams were loaded with talent; it just means his scouting report is more accurate than you're giving credit for.

Just hope O'bryant won't be a bust and will be a solid contibutor who actually cares and gives effort. Those things go a long way. Biedrins has got by on effort so far, it is time for him to add some skills

#32 wrote:Say what you want; everyone acknowledged that the big men allowed for legit, NBA-like competition. O'Bryant came from the division you wanted a big man to play in this year. Doesn't mean the teams were loaded with talent; it just means his scouting report is more accurate than you're giving credit for.

Oh yes, the Esteemed Missouri Valley Conference, where one team averaged more blocks per game than Shelden Williams Alone and where Cedric Simmon averaged as many or more blocks than four entire teams. That's a powerhouse NBA level conference. Did ANY players besides POB get drafted from that conference?

#32 wrote:You're not hearing me: NUMBERS (in college) are decieving. It's all a matter of who you're playing against. Big boys played in that conference. That means a lot, as far as NBA transition.

lousy big boys played in that conference. The ACC had Hansborough, Simmons, Shelden, etc. Real NBA level big men. The MVC didn't have lottery picks for POB to guard. The MVC didn't have the National DPOY for him to be guarded by.

Start Biedrins and see if he really can develop into something special BEFORE we give him another Foyle like contract......Thats Mullins biggest problem giving HUGE insane Mac Dre stupid contracts to Foyle and Dunleavy BEFORE they ever proved anything.

o'bryant will have too much competition to get that center role. he's more than likely to back up biedrins while andris backs up foyle at the same time so o'bryant will not flash as much as we'd want unless some injury happens to andris or adonal. but yea, i agree, start biedrins, lets see what he has.