saber is the strongest it just that the guy that summen her was a very weak magic person
so she could not even go back and rest and heal up in her demision and she could not even metalized her weapon her weapon had to stay invisible for most of the time and she could not even use her best attack more then like 3 time that how weak he was in the end thow close to the end they did some type of magic train plant that gave her about 80% of her power but before then she was limited with sen 30% of her power.

nah, it wouldn't be archer, saber and gilgamesh... theres only one person who defeated them all and its shiro.... its a bit confusing that archer is shiro yet shiro defeated him... archer is the future of shiro in a mislead way thats why his UBW is a bit dark and has many things in the atmosphere, shiro's UBW is different and it say something like 'this is the right path' (if you want to see it I have a picture of this in my profile), that's why shiro defeated archer but he didn't kill him(gilgames killed archer), when archer was dying he gave his left hand to shiro which enables the traced weapon to be used like the owner of the weapon( and that made shiro even more invincible). and so defeated gilgamesh. about saber? shiro didn't really defeated the real saber, he defeated dark saber who is not exactly saber :blink:(oh I forgot this story didn't really appear in the series, but we're talking about the strongest right?) ... and also, even without the story we can say that shiro(archer) is the strongest, he can trace any weapon he liked without using any mana so its just easy excalibur's scabbard(avalon), EA, gaibulg, kanshu and bakuya, excalibur, and the ultimate sword caliburn( the same one split into 2 by gilgamesh in the series, weak). so i say shiro is the strongest....

I don't know, I think that we didn't get to see enough of archer to determine. He did kill Herc. 7 times in one attack.

Actually it wasn't 7 times, only 5 times then rin killed hime once then shiro and saber 7 times. But he is quite powerful since he can even trace the excalibur.
But still for me Saber is the most powerful

nah, it wouldn't be archer, saber and gilgamesh... theres only one person who defeated them all and its shiro.... its a bit confusing that archer is shiro yet shiro defeated him... archer is the future of shiro in a mislead way thats why his UBW is a bit dark and has many things in the atmosphere, shiro's UBW is different and it say something like 'this is the right path' (if you want to see it I have a picture of this in my profile), that's why shiro defeated archer but he didn't kill him(gilgames killed archer), when archer was dying he gave his left hand to shiro which enables the traced weapon to be used like the owner of the weapon( and that made shiro even more invincible). and so defeated gilgamesh. about saber? shiro didn't really defeated the real saber, he defeated dark saber who is not exactly saber :blink:(oh I forgot this story didn't really appear in the series, but we're talking about the strongest right?) ... and also, even without the story we can say that shiro(archer) is the strongest, he can trace any weapon he liked without using any mana so its just easy excalibur's scabbard(avalon), EA, gaibulg, kanshu and bakuya, excalibur, and the ultimate sword caliburn( the same one split into 2 by gilgamesh in the series, weak). so i say shiro is the strongest....

Archer wasn't misled it's just that some of the people he saved used him as an scapegoat then executed him. And archer's UBW is the almost same as Shiro's only the chant was differentand the background. And it wasn't gilgamesh that killed archer, it was the other way around. And the part that archer gave his arm to shiro is a different scenario in which gilgamesh was helping them and it is dark berserker that shiro killed. well shiro defeated archer because archer yielded to shiro because shiro's determination reminded him of how he used to be. Oh and for the record shiro can't trace everything. for instance he can't trace EA because it doesn't have an origin in the mortal plane. And yes his power significantly increased when archer's arm was grafted to him but it does come with a downside since his life is decreased everytime he use it

Determining the strongest in fate is difficult, considering that most of their moves are more powerful under different situations. Lancer actually has the most powerful move by definition, seeing as his spear strikes through the heart before it actually reaches it, it's travel path is calculated after the fact, and yet Saber somehow managed to avoid it (which doesn't make sense...). It should be enough to take out someone like Saber, Archer, and Gilgamesh, but it would be useless against Berserker, which would just revive after the fact...but Berserker wouldn't be able to stand up for long against an UBW.

Actually it is possible to avoid lancer's strike. if the servant has a high enough luck attribute

i think its archer.... the unlimited blade works killed heracles, and in the story heracles was the strongest on physical attacks, hmmmm.... gilgamesh is also strong..... hey did you know that the real identity of archer was shiro.... archer is shiro in the future... shiro also has a phantasm close to unlimited blade works but the chant was different it was like this:

I am the bone of my sword.
Steel is my body, and fire is my blood.
I have created over a thousand blades.
Unaware of loss.
Nor aware of gain.
Withstood pain to create many weapons.
Waiting for one's arrival.
I have no regrets, this is the only path.
My whole life was "Unlimited Blade Works."

archer's chant was like this:

"I am the bone of my sword.
Steel is my body, and fire is my blood.
I have created over a thousand blades.
Unknown to death.
Nor known to life.
Have withstood pain to create many weapons.
Yet, those hands will never hold anything.
So as I pray, "Unlimited Blade Works." [/b]

Saber isn't strong... she would be long gone if Shiro hadn't helped her like when they were fighting Hercules and Gilgamesh. Hmm...if it the strongest..i don't really know but Hercules does beat Archer but if Hercules
fight with Gilgamesh i do think that Gilgamesh would be victorious cause of his Gate of Babylon and Enuma Elish which is almost like infinite...so the strongest to me is Gilgamesh....i'm just guessing =p

Saber needed help because she was summoned incompletely. She doesn't even receive mana from shiro in the beginning so she has to conserve whatever mana she had