The problem with these ads is that you have to be the clear underdog in a given market, otherwise you look defensive and bitter. Wendy's could get away with taking shots at McDonalds and Burger King in the 80s. Pepsi could take shots at Coke back then too. Small telecoms can depict the four big service providers as buffoons. It almost has you cheering the little guy on.

But seeing a very large company like Samsung who is clearly not the underdog in any obvious way taking shots at a competitor just feels weird. It seems undignified.

I think their ads are clever in that aspect. They try to appear as the underdog vendor yet they are by far the most dominate Android-based vendor out there. It's smart in that sense but I doubt they could use this tactic of they were trying to go after Apple's sales.

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The problem with these ads is that you have to be the clear underdog in a given market, otherwise you look defensive and bitter. Wendy's could get away with taking shots at McDonalds and Burger King in the 80s. Pepsi could take shots at Coke back then too. Small telecoms can depict the four big service providers as buffoons. It almost has you cheering the little guy on.

But seeing a very large company like Samsung who is clearly not the underdog in any obvious way taking shots at a competitor just feels weird. It seems undignified.

Even with Apple as large and successful as they are, they still carry that "underdog" mentality at times, particularly with some of their fans. Compared to Apple, Samsung still is perceived as a "little guy" in mobile.

It's not really an innovation as Wacom has had tablet devices with digitisers on the market for years, it's more of an adoption. Innovation would be from getting a low-power digitiser in a handheld device that won't negatively affect battery life or general usability, and can also be on a capacitance touchscreen. If that was Samsung then good for them, but I'm thinking this was Wacom's doing.

I'm not sure what you meant by "on" so I am just clarifying that it's not the glass on the smartphone that is pressure sensitive, it's the stylus itself that registers pressure and sends the data to the device.

As for its size I think a 5.3" display is too large for a phone.

Sure, Wacom should get credit for it, but it is Samsung that put it in their product. Hence I called it inovation by Samsung.

Yes it is too large for a phone, but not too large for a smartphone. It fits in my all trousers pockets (it does not in all lady jeans, but then they always carry small bag anyway).

Sure, Wacom should get credit for it, but it is Samsung that put it in their product. Hence I called it inovation by Samsung.

Yes it is too large for a phone, but not too large for a smartphone. It fits in my all trousers pockets (it does not in all lady jeans, but then they always carry small bag anyway).

What are the device dimension differences between the Note, newest Nexus and iPhone?

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iPhone 4S - 4.54" x 2.31" x 0.37" (4.9 oz)Galaxy Nexus - 5.33" x 2.68" x 0.37"* (4.8 oz)Galaxy Note - 5.78" x 3.27" x 0.38" (6.3 oz)
Looking only at the width, assuming that thickness and length have no barring** it's about 1" wider than the iPhone. That would not fit comfortably in my front or back pocket. It also wouldn't work in one hand with the thumb swipe, but neither does the Galaxy Nexus for that function. I'll be surprised if they can find a sizeable market for this to replace current smartphones.

* It's equivalent to the iPhone over most of its back but actually thicker than stated due to the camera.
** That's not what she said!

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Big size will make a good door stop because it's less smart
Isn't it a phone? Why the ads didn't show phone functionality? Because it's as ugly as Dell Streak when you use it as a phone. That's why most Samsung ads always picture fantasy, while Apple ads picture real life experience.

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Being a long time (since 85 or so) mac user, past BB and current iphone user (and yes, old palm user), I never personally got the anti keyboard, and anti stylus movement. I far preferred, and still prefer, the physical keyboard on the blackberry, to the soft keyboard on the iPhone. I also FAR prefer the os and usability of the iPhone! I just wish I had the option of a physical keyboard.

That said, whats wrong with a stylus? Its far more accurate than a finger, and is better at drawing and notation on pictures etc. Anyone heard of Wacom? Tell those users a stylus is no good!

I see no use for one on an iPhone, but I could sure see a use for it for many folks on an iPad. I guess thats why I always keep a Moleskine in my briefcase.

What are the device dimension differences between the Note, newest Nexus and iPhone?

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iPhone 4S - 4.54" x 2.31" x 0.37" (4.9 oz)Galaxy Nexus - 5.33" x 2.68" x 0.37"* (4.8 oz)Galaxy Note - 5.78" x 3.27" x 0.38" (6.3 oz)
Looking only at the width, assuming that thickness and length have no barring** it's about 1" wider than the iPhone. That would not fit comfortably in my front or back pocket. It also wouldn't work in one hand with the thumb swipe, but neither does the Galaxy Nexus for that function. I'll be surprised if they can find a sizeable market for this to replace current smartphones.

* It's equivalent to the iPhone over most of its back but actually thicker than stated due to the camera.
** That's not what she said!

Sure No, it wont fit in small back pocket, in fact I would not even try to put any smartphone in back pocket. But it fits in my all trouser pockets all though I feel the largeness. By the way, it is not just a phone that simply works, but it is much more than that with 5.3inch Super Amoled hd resultion screen with supporting specs.

No you can not manage it with your thumb, but with freedom they provide I think people will looking at this option. Again I think, Apple should bring Iphone 5 earlier.

With every new product there is talk that Apple needs to counter it sooner rather than later yet we've seen Apple maintain a yearly upgrade cycle with the last one being 1.25 years yet they still dominate the sale per model, revenue and profits from the market segment. Apparently reacting to every newfangled gadget is not the answer.

As fuwafuwa notes, the Dell Streak was 5" and it didn't fare so well. In all fairness comparing a Dell product to Samsung is laughable, but I think the size is an issue for phone usage. Now Samsung has added the digitiser and created APIs for devs but is that enough to make the product so important to buyers that Apple would need to bring the 6th generation iPhone out earlier? I don't think so.

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With every new product there is talk that Apple needs to counter it sooner rather than later yet we've seen Apple maintain a yearly upgrade cycle with the last one being 1.25 years yet they still dominate the sale per model, revenue and profits from the market segment. Apparently reacting to every newfangled gadget is not the answer.

As fuwafuwa notes, the Dell Streak was 5" and it didn't fare so well. In all fairness comparing a Dell product to Samsung is laughable, but I think the size is an issue for phone usage. Now Samsung has added the digitiser and created APIs for devs but is that enough to make the product so important to buyers that Apple would need to bring the 6th generation iPhone out earlier? I don't think so.

Big size will make a good door stop because it's less smart
Isn't it a phone? Why the ads didn't show phone functionality? Because it's as ugly as Dell Streak when you use it as a phone. That's why most Samsung ads always picture fantasy, while Apple ads picture real life experience.

eh? Are you asking why nobody is holding it to their head in this commercial? You know, it comes with a headset (and support for bluetooth devices) and I'm guessing there must be a reason why. Hmm..

Yeah, I agree - I think it's a terrible idea to buy $200-$600 phones just based on their picture fantasy. You know what's really crazy though?- I'm told that there are crazy folks out there willing to wait days in line for a product without full pics or spec. That's just insane!!

Just because you don't need a stylus on a phone, doesn't mean there's no one out there who wouldn't like to have one, and it doesn't mean it's a stupid device to make available in a lineup. I personally know several people who use iPhones who almost never actually make voice calls on them, but instead simply use them for texting and apps... should I go up to them and say, "It's a PHONE!" (?).

I don't have a specific need for the Samsung Note. I won't be buying one. But I'm not going to trash it just because I don't need it. Others will want one or even need the specific features it has to offer. More power to them. Variety is good.

Hehe.. I guess I'm one of those people - I make fewer than 5 calls / month on average using it mainly for messaging/email/apps.

that ad wasn't direct at anyone that loves and admires their apple products.
it was direct at apple haters and android lovers (the same group, people like you), so they can live in the illusion that we (the ones that freely CHOOSED apple) are some sort of inferior beings.

it's a pity actually... one must be really dumb to believe that we are not free and we are have no knowledge. well, they even come at apple sites (people like you), trying to bash apple, always defending those companies that compete with apple.

truth is, it's everything about apple now. google and microsoft don't matter, samsung does not matter, the same with nokia, etc..

it's all about apple. either you love their products or you hate them. they rule the tech industry. people like you just prove my point.

Whatever it is, it is good long-due response (in my eyes) to "I'm a Mac" adds which were directed at Apple lovers and Windows haters (the same group, people like you), so they can live in the illusion that we (the ones that freely CHOSEN Windows) are some sort of inferior beings.

See how well it works in both directions? I'm only surprised Microsoft hasn't done the same ages back.

Regarding rest of your statement, it is pretty much pure fanboysm. Unless you are heavily misinformed and mixing gadget world for tech world. In tech world where I make my living, Microsoft is still the only name that matters.

Also I didnt wait in line lol. I made an appointment with a local apple store and walked in at the appointed time and picked up my phone lol. Anyone who waits in line anymore has more time on there hands than me lol. I would never stand in line for hours.

Whatever it is, it is good long-due response (in my eyes) to "I'm a Mac" adds which were directed at Apple lovers and Windows haters (the same group, people like you), so they can live in the illusion that we (the ones that freely CHOSEN Windows) are some sort of inferior beings.

See how well it works in both directions? I'm only surprised Microsoft hasn't done the same ages back.

Regarding rest of your statement, it is pretty much pure fanboysm. Unless you are heavily misinformed and mixing gadget world for tech world. In tech world where I make my living, Microsoft is still the only name that matters.

But whatever spins your wheels and makes your day...

Your metaphor comparison is broken. The "I'm a Mac" didn't make fun of the customers. It made fun of the device. Big difference when you are trying to build a user base, because every potential user can see that Samsung is willing to call some of the potential customers dumb.

Now ask yourself how well that worked out for Moto last year at the Super Bowl ad table when they tried to skewer Apple users as drones in the Xoom ad?

Making fun of the device - fair game. Make fun of potential customers - EPIC FAIL.

Being a long time (since 85 or so) mac user, past BB and current iphone user (and yes, old palm user), I never personally got the anti keyboard, and anti stylus movement. I far preferred, and still prefer, the physical keyboard on the blackberry, to the soft keyboard on the iPhone. I also FAR prefer the os and usability of the iPhone! I just wish I had the option of a physical keyboard.

That said, whats wrong with a stylus? Its far more accurate than a finger, and is better at drawing and notation on pictures etc. Anyone heard of Wacom? Tell those users a stylus is no good!

How many replacement stylii did you buy for that Palm. I remember going through at least a dozen and until I got back to my spares I was carrying a near-brick.

I have never been able to fathom how any of my buddies could function on the BB. I used to watch in astonishment at all the effort they spent playing with the Pearl furiously to essentially get nothing done. Now they all have iPhones, one via a Droid interlude.

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I see no use for one on an iPhone, but I could sure see a use for it for many folks on an iPad. I guess thats why I always keep a Moleskine in my briefcase.

There are 3rd party stylii for the iPad, some people like them some people don't. Why would I want to pay for one and the related engineering if I don't want to carry it?

As for the Wacom tablets, I have a Cintique 12 sitting just to my left. The stylus is wonderful for artwork and drafting, worthless for marking up or writing more than a huge word or two on a PDF. And since it doesn't go anyplace, I only lose the stylus underneath the Cintique when it falls out of the puck -- not really lost, is it. I'm not ever worried about having to go cushion diving on the couch to find it like I was in the Palm days.

Your metaphor comparison is broken. The "I'm a Mac" didn't make fun of the customers. It made fun of the device. Big difference when you are trying to build a user base, because every potential user can see that Samsung is willing to call some of the potential customers dumb.

Now ask yourself how well that worked out for Moto last year at the Super Bowl ad table when they tried to skewer Apple users as drones in the Xoom ad?

Making fun of the device - fair game. Make fun of potential customers - EPIC FAIL.

Do you really believe that? Because most people I know don't. True Mac and PC guys were embodiments of respective computers, but like in La Fontaine fables, meaning was much deeper.

Even Microsoft tried to counter "PC users are dull and boring bureaucrats type" with "I'm a PC" adds presenting people from various professional and social circles, claiming to be a PC users. Where and why do you think that came from?

Do you really believe that? Because most people I know don't. True Mac and PC guys were embodiments of respective computers, but like in La Fontaine fables, meaning was much deeper.

Even Microsoft tried to counter "PC users are dull and boring bureaucrats type" with "I'm a PC" adds presenting people from various professional and social circles, claiming to be a PC users. Where and why do you think that came from?

Your example has no baring on the facts. Regardless of MS reacted Apple's Get A Mac campaign personified PC HW, they did not represent the user.

You can watch Apple's failed Lemmings ad to see how attacking the customer doesn't work.

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It disgusts you that humans line up? Are you equally disgusted lining up at th grocery checkout, to get on an airplane, or that planes line up on a runway so they all don't land or take off at the same time? How else do you except companies with a finite number of supply sold by a finite number of associates in a finite space? Sure, I can see the beneot of time and space not existing but they do and until otherwise discovered we are tied to them.

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Being social disgusts you?

Again, I suggest the problem is with you....

Both of you purposely misinterpret my words to suggest that there is something wrong with my attitude, when it is in fact you who should think whether you have adequate reading comprehension skills. It is especially puzzling why you would misinterpret my posts, when the ad we are discussing essentially says the same thing that I did: "Feels like detention". I never said that being social disgust me in itself, or that everyday activities such as queuing disgust me. In the context, I meant that considering everyday humdrum a "fun and social event" is disgusting. What kind of lowlife finds pleasure in being crammed together with a random crowd in a confined space for extended period of time? My idea of spending quality time with people is quite different, thank you very much.

Why? As others have noted (no pun intended) this ad (and the other Samsung ads) are not mocking Apple Inc. nor its products. They are mocking iPhone users.

Why not!!! It will be amusing for one... They might be mocking iPhone users but iPhone user use iPhone so they are mocking iPhone indirectly saying that it is not worth waiting in line for.. anyways it is just my interpretation.. I don't want to start a slug fest on that

What kind of lowlife finds pleasure in being crammed together with a random crowd in a confined space for extended period of time? My idea of spending quality time with people is quite different, thank you very much.

So everyone that visits an amusement is a lowlife. Quality time spent with you must be awesome¡

No one likes lines but if it's a between waiting a short time for something immediate or waiting weeks or months for something you could have now it's not to hard to stick it out.

It's ridiculous that you think all those parents who take their children to Disney World or some other theme park are pathetic lowlifes for doing something for their children. Unbelievable!

^^^^ Pathetic lowlifes" according to DrDoppio ^^^

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So everyone that visits an amusement is a lowlife. Quality time spent with you must be awesome¡

No one likes lines but if it's a between waiting a short time for something immediate or waiting weeks or months for something you could have now it's not to hard to stick it out.

It's ridiculous that you think all those parents who take their children to Disney World or some other theme park are pathetic lowlifes for doing something for their children. Unbelievable!

Don't be daft, of course I make small sacrifices in order to enjoy myself later. I clearly said that considering the waiting in line itself as the fun event disturbing. I know it's easier to endure if you fool yourself that it is actually fun, however I was never too keen on this type of self-deception (perhaps one more reason why my opinions are at odds with those of many posters here).

I know it's easier to endure if you fool yourself that it is actually fun, however.

Or you could be a human and try to make it enjoyable. It's not like people are being forced into these lines. It's fine if you have an irrational fear of lines or crowds of people, but don't deceive yourself that not getting something you want is better than getting with a small sacrifice of being around other people. I don't particularly enjoy lines of any sort but when it comes to getting new gadgets I'd prefer to get it right away instead of just reading about it. I get enjoyment from having new kit now instead of months later. Such a pathetic lowlife am I¡

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Or you could be a human and try to make it enjoyable. It's not like people are being forced into these lines...

Fair enough, some people find the benefits of being the first to get a new gadget to outweigh the drawbacks of queuing, and thus feel offended by Samsung's ad poking fun at them; I don't, so I don't feel in the least offended. Neither of the choices is particularly inhuman or antisocial.

Fair enough, some people find the benefits of being the first to get a new gadget to outweigh the drawbacks of queuing, and thus feel offended by Samsung's ad poking fun at them; I don't, so I don't feel in the least offended. Neither of the choices is particularly inhuman or antisocial.

What are the device dimension differences between the Note, newest Nexus and iPhone?

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iPhone 4S - 4.54" x 2.31" x 0.37" (4.9 oz)Galaxy Nexus - 5.33" x 2.68" x 0.37"* (4.8 oz)Galaxy Note - 5.78" x 3.27" x 0.38" (6.3 oz)
Looking only at the width, assuming that thickness and length have no barring** it's about 1" wider than the iPhone. That would not fit comfortably in my front or back pocket. It also wouldn't work in one hand with the thumb swipe, but neither does the Galaxy Nexus for that function. I'll be surprised if they can find a sizeable market for this to replace current smartphones.

* It's equivalent to the iPhone over most of its back but actually thicker than stated due to the camera.
** That's not what she said!

Isn't it obvious that these big screens on Android phones are just camouflage for the giant batteries they have to use to get any decent life out of them?

We have fascinating insight (or rather, somewhat interesting) from an intern thesis, a genuinely fascinating look at Gonion's macroscalar code optimization methods (now that's true innovation and a truly bright fellow), talk of Retina Display on Macs and ... the Samsung Superbowl ad gets the lion share of comments? I guess it's mostly users and not engineers who frequent this site. Gawd, even on a geek site, I remain a lonely geek.

Do you really believe that? Because most people I know don't. True Mac and PC guys were embodiments of respective computers, but like in La Fontaine fables, meaning was much deeper.

Even Microsoft tried to counter "PC users are dull and boring bureaucrats type" with "I'm a PC" adds presenting people from various professional and social circles, claiming to be a PC users. Where and why do you think that came from?

Part of the I'm a PC campaign was also that series of commercials where they would give someone money to go buy a new computer and they would look at a Mac. The system they would be talking about being interested in would clearly be equal t osay, the low end MacBook Air, but of course they look at the top end MBP and complain about the high price, then they buy a Windows based PC that they paid more for than the Air would have been.

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Don't be daft, of course I make small sacrifices in order to enjoy myself later. I clearly said that considering the waiting in line itself as the fun event disturbing. I know it's easier to endure if you fool yourself that it is actually fun, however I was never too keen on this type of self-deception (perhaps one more reason why my opinions are at odds with those of many posters here).

Actually waiting in line can be fun. I've never waited in line for an Apple product, but waiting in line to get into a Nine Inch Nails concert or for Star Wars movie tickets turned out to be a lot of fun b/c of all the discussions I got into with other fans around me. Fun is what you make it. Now if you have anxiety problems and don't deal well w/strangers, like my wife, I could definitely see how waiting in line could be seen as awful. I'm pretty outgoing tho and tend to make the best of a situation.

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We have fascinating insight (or rather, somewhat interesting) from an intern thesis, a genuinely fascinating look at Gonion's macroscalar code optimization methods (now that's true innovation and a truly bright fellow), talk of Retina Display on Macs and ... the Samsung Superbowl ad gets the lion share of comments? I guess it's mostly users and not engineers who frequent this site. Gawd, even on a geek site, I remain a lonely geek.

I didn't watch the super bowl and the only ads I've seen were playing in front of a couple of youtube videos that day (Greek yogurt commercial w/Stamos getting headbutted by the wife and Acura w/Seinfeld). I'm just talking about what is being discussed here.

Isn't it obvious that these big screens on Android phones are just camouflage for the giant batteries they have to use to get any decent life out of them?

I've read that theory somewhere else, and it may be feasible. But then, there's no need to produce larger and larger versions, is there? I'd argue that while battery life may be a factor in some cases, trend-following is another. Furthermore, it's a way to contend with the Retina Display. I've also read somewhere (can't remember where) that a larger display is necessary to prevent the *icons* from being too small as pixel count increases. Finally, there are some people who genuinely want a larger display. All to say, I'm sure the reasons are myriad.

I've read that theory somewhere else, and it may be feasible. But then, there's no need to produce larger and larger versions, is there? I'd argue that while battery life may be a factor in some cases, trend-following is another. Furthermore, it's a way to contend with the Retina Display. I've also read somewhere (can't remember where) that a larger display is necessary to prevent the *icons* from being too small as pixel count increases. Finally, there are some people who genuinely want a larger display. All to say, I'm sure the reasons are myriad.

The smartphone manufacturers are getting much better at designing for battery life. Take the Razr MAXX for instance. A larger display than the iPhone4S, but in a thinner device (8.9 at it's thickest compared to Apple's 9.3mm). Yet the comparable 3G battery life may be ridiculously better than the iPhone at 21 hours talk time. Even on Verizon's LTE/4G, a known battery killer, the MAXX is getting 24 hours plus between charges according to reviewers.

"The Droid Razr Maxx is being pushed as having great battery life and I'm happy to report that it does. This is the first 4G LTE smartphone I've used that provides an all-day experience off a single charge. I'm not talking about a 9-to-5 "day," I'm talking about a full 24 hours. If you're constantly hammering the device with streaming videos and music, it's not going to last 20+ hours but the Droid Maxx stood up to my above-average usage and lived for about 28 hours on a single charge. Not bad."

The smartphone manufacturers are getting much better at designing for battery life. Take the Razr MAXX for instance. A larger display than the iPhone4S, but in a thinner device (8.9 at it's thickest compared to Apple's 9.3mm). Yet the comparable 3G battery life may be ridiculously better than the iPhone at 21 hours talk time. Even on Verizon's LTE/4G, a known battery killer, the MAXX is getting 24 hours plus between charges according to reviewers.

"The Droid Razr Maxx is being pushed as having great battery life and I'm happy to report that it does. This is the first 4G LTE smartphone I've used that provides an all-day experience off a single charge. I'm not talking about a 9-to-5 "day," I'm talking about a full 24 hours. If you're constantly hammering the device with streaming videos and music, it's not going to last 20+ hours but the Droid Maxx stood up to my above-average usage and lived for about 28 hours on a single charge. Not bad."

The Moto Droid RAZR MAXX has a 4.3" qHD Super AMOLED display. That means even with the lower power draw of the inferior PenTile panel it's still only 256 PPI to the iPhone's 326 true pixel PPI.

On top of that, and most important, the iPhone's display is only 28% smaller yet the battery capacity for the RAZR MAXX is 232% greater than the iPhone. You can see this in the other battery stats. The RAZR MAXX lists internet use up to 6 hours on 3G, up to 9 hours on Wi-Fi and video playback up to 10 hours. The iPhone 4S lists internet use up to 6 hours on 3G, up to 9 hours on Wi-Fi and video playback up to 10 hours. The same ratings despite a much smaller battery. They don't seem to lsit audio playback which is still surprising since smartphones are replacing the "Mp3 player. The iPhone lists up to 40 hours.

Now the RAZR MAXX beats the iPhone if using it just for calls but that's to be expected with any baseband chip that is dedicated to CDMA. Apple is trying to not keep the iPhones between their GSM-based partners and their new CDMA-based partners on par despite inherent network differences. CDMA/EV-DO will still use '2G' for calls even you have '3G' for data when off a call. Apple's use of radio-diverse world-mode chips means they are using less efficient baseband chips but that does keep their phones on par in the short run and likely keeps them ahead of their competition in the long run with economy of scale. Don't be fooled by their marketing of "the longest talk time of any 4G smartphone" because, while true, you are not making that call using LTE. Also, if we see a RAZR MAXX for GSM don't expect their '3G' talk time to come in at 21 hours. With a 3300 mAh battery I'd expect about 15 hours of '3G' talk time on GSM.

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The Moto Droid RAZR MAXX has a 4.3" qHD Super AMOLED display. That means even with the lower power draw of the inferior PenTile panel it's still only 256 PPI to the iPhone's 326 true pixel PPI.

On top of that, and most important, the iPhone's display is only 28% smaller yet the battery capacity for the RAZR MAXX is 232% greater than the iPhone. You can see this in the other battery stats. The RAZR MAXX lists internet use up to 6 hours on 3G, up to 9 hours on Wi-Fi and video playback up to 10 hours. The iPhone 4S lists internet use up to 6 hours on 3G, up to 9 hours on Wi-Fi and video playback up to 10 hours. The same ratings despite a much smaller battery. They don't seem to lsit audio playback which is still surprising since smartphones are replacing the "Mp3 player. The iPhone lists up to 40 hours.

Now the RAZR MAXX beats the iPhone if using it just for calls but that's to be expected with any baseband chip that is dedicated to CDMA. Apple is trying to not keep the iPhones between their GSM-based partners and their new CDMA-based partners on par despite inherent network differences. CDMA/EV-DO will still use '2G' for calls even you have '3G' for data when off a call. Apple's use of radio-diverse world-mode chips means they are using less efficient baseband chips but that does keep their phones on par in the short run and likely keeps them ahead of their competition in the long run with economy of scale. Don't be fooled by their marketing of "the longest talk time of any 4G smartphone" because, while true, you are not making that call using LTE. Also, if we see a RAZR MAXX for GSM don't expect their '3G' talk time to come in at 21 hours. With a 3300 mAh battery I'd expect about 15 hours of '3G' talk time on GSM.

Of course it has a larger battery, which speaks to the statement that someone made that the Android phones have to be larger to handle a bigger battery. The MAXX somehow allows a much larger battery in a thinner device indicating Apple's not the only company that's figured out how the "pack the innards". As I said, the smartphone makers are getting better at designing for larger batteries, as well as better efficiency, which is all I'm making note of.