Will Bynum: Starting Point Guard?

Yes but Pistons used to be among the lead leaders in assists with these horrible players Rip and Tay. Tay will get in for those cuts and Rip can catch and shoot provided that he gets the ball in the right spot. They rarely get the ball in the right spot is what the problem is and have to create their own shots. Offense is not putting them in a good position to succeed.

Plus I absolutely hate when Stuck drops his head and goes non-stop into the teeth of the defense, no matter who is there and who on his team is open. That has to stop. He has to get smarter out there.

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We are stuck with remnants of past association and they are hard to break. I always try to be mindful about extraneous comments out of character and how they generally point in the direction of pseudo honesty. One half is the usual wink of playing the game. The other half is pure defensiveness away from the thrust of the comment. One need not be reminded of JD's comment about everyone (except Stuckey) becoming trade fodder. Rip, Tay and yes, Ben are still here. Sheed might still have been, but he kicked his way off the team. The biggest clue might be on who has been moved?

When a team is 22-43 everything has to be evaluated in my opinion. Since Stuckey took over we have been a losing team. I am not putting it all on him but this was supposed to be a high octane offense and instead we are near the bottom dwellers.

Offense does look a little better with Bynum in there, so far, is all I am saying. This is a good opportunity to evaluate it further and then - perhaps, it could be one less hole to fill next year.

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Really? They've been absolutely blown out in two games. They looked good against the equally horrible Wizards, I'll give you that.

Not even close to being enough of a sample size to say that we look better with Bynum. I can't even tell you how many times (before Stuckey went down) that Rodney would play well in the first quarter, give Detroit a little lead (or keep the team in the game), Bynum comes into at the 3:00 mark of the 1st quarter and the lead quickly evaporates... by the time Stuckey would return midway through the 2nd, the team is usually down by double figures.

And you know what? I have a lot more games to go on (seeing that pattern) than you guys do in the 4 games that Bynum has been starting.

Right now, we're 2-2 with him starting. We will lose the next two to make it 2-4 (Stuckey is not playing the next two nights). Not much of a difference in winning %.

Really? They've been absolutely blown out in two games. They looked good against the equally horrible Wizards, I'll give you that.

Not even close to being enough of a sample size to say that we look better with Bynum. I can't even tell you how many times (before Stuckey went down) that Rodney would play well in the first quarter, give Detroit a little lead (or keep the team in the game), Bynum comes into at the 3:00 mark of the 1st quarter and the lead quickly evaporates... by the time Stuckey would return midway through the 2nd, the team is usually down by double figures.

And you know what? I have a lot more games to go on (seeing that pattern) than you guys do in the 4 games that Bynum has been starting.

Right now, we're 2-2 with him starting. We will lose the next two to make it 2-4 (Stuckey is not playing the next two nights). Not much of a difference in winning %.

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Actually 2Tough, the offense has looked better, the team hasn't, seems as soon as we figured out how to score 100pts, we forget how to hold a team under 100pts. And YOU'RE RIGHT, the sample size is not big enough to make conclusions, in either direction. Stuckey's sample size proves we're a sub .500 team, Will's may be even worse over time, but what's the problem in tinkering to find out?

Actually 2Tough, the offense has looked better, the team hasn't, seems as soon as we figured out how to score 100pts, we forget how to hold a team under 100pts. And YOU'RE RIGHT, the sample size is not big enough to make conclusions, in either direction. Stuckey's sample size proves we're a sub .500 team, Will's may be even worse over time, but what's the problem in tinkering to find out?

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We had been scoring more with Stuckey too. In the previous 7 games that Stuckey started, the team had scored 100 points or more 5 times. In the game against Cleveland, our offense looked good (on the road and against a premier defense) until Stuckey went down.

As you mentioned, defense was the problem and the reason those high scoring games weren't translating into wins.

Lest we all forget, Stuckey's assist numbers were climbing very fast with Rip and Tay returned to the lineup (after they started becoming productive and efficient again - which took awhile). And Bynum's been a sieve on defense. Stuckey's a much better defensive guard.

Lest we all forget, Stuckey's assist numbers were climbing very fast with Rip and Tay returned to the lineup (after they started becoming productive and efficient again - which took awhile). And Bynum's been a sieve on defense. Stuckey's a much better defensive guard.

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Yes. Stuckey has been at around 6.5 assists per game or so for the last month + (with low turnovers).

Derek Fisher has hit a lot of big shots and made a lot of big plays. Dissing Derek Fisher is like dissing Lindsey Hunter. He's not a franchise player, and never tried to be one. He's that 5th man that does all the dirty work. He's the guy who is open to take the game winner. He is the guy the coach subs back into the game when the team loses a lead in the 4th, someone who can settle everyone down and get the team organized.

Obviously, in the triangle, the PG doesn't play a traditional PG role, and Kobe and Pau are the PGs of the Lakers.

Stuckey wouldn't be able to start for the Lakers. They need someone who can space teh floor and shoot at the 1, not someone whose primary weapon is a layup.

Derek Fisher has hit a lot of big shots and made a lot of big plays. Dissing Derek Fisher is like dissing Lindsey Hunter. He's not a franchise player, and never tried to be one. He's that 5th man that does all the dirty work. He's the guy who is open to take the game winner. He is the guy the coach subs back into the game when the team loses a lead in the 4th, someone who can settle everyone down and get the team organized.

Obviously, in the triangle, the PG doesn't play a traditional PG role, and Kobe and Pau are the PGs of the Lakers.

Stuckey wouldn't be able to start for the Lakers. They need someone who can space teh floor and shoot at the 1, not someone whose primary weapon is a layup.

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Having talked to many Laker fans, Fisher shouldn't be starting either. He is not a good basketball player. He is shooting under 40% this year. Yes, he is a great clutch shooter, but his defense has declined vociferously and he's only a valuable player in the last two minutes of a game. Otherwise... complete garbage.

If there were ever "politics" going on, it's Derick Fisher keeping his starting spot over clearly better players. Shannon Brown/Jordan Farmar are easily superior players and given that they've both been with LA for awhile now, I think they could handle the minimal point guard duties that are required in the triangle.

I don't see either of them starting for a team that plays much better than .500 ball.

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Again, that's highly dependent on what players are on the team. If you give Stuckey an all star teammate or two, he could absolutely be a good starter on a contending team. I don't view Stuckey as a number one guy, but I think he could possibly be a #2 in the future and certainly a good third option.

I think saying Stuckey couldn't start on a contending team is awfully myopic. There have been plenty players worse than him that have started on championship teams (Tayshaun Prince in 04, Bruce Bowen for example). We don't live in a day and age where teams have all stars at every position. Title teams start role players all the time. And I think a guy like Stuckey is a little better than a role player.

Stuckey is a legitimate starting point guard. I don't think Stuckey is great yet (he has a lot room for improvement) but he is a solid starter in this league.

Bynum isn't as good an all around player, is a few years older and much less likely to improve. I don't see the debate here.

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Well Stuckey will be the starting PG for the pistons..No doubt. But using the word LEGITIMATE PG at this point of time is way too much.. Maybe If he does really improves as what people have been judging him.Its not the hate but just my opinion...

Having talked to many Laker fans, Fisher shouldn't be starting either. He is not a good basketball player. He is shooting under 40% this year. Yes, he is a great clutch shooter, but his defense has declined vociferously and he's only a valuable player in the last two minutes of a game. Otherwise... complete garbage.

If there were ever "politics" going on, it's Derick Fisher keeping his starting spot over clearly better players. Shannon Brown/Jordan Farmar are easily superior players and given that they've both been with LA for awhile now, I think they could handle the minimal point guard duties that are required in the triangle.

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If all has to do with the politics of who starts and who doesn't, I don't think it is a real issue on the Laker squad. Phil is in charge and Farmar and Brown play along in the system without egos trying to trump each other. With that being said Fisher is in there for stability if any thing and like you said maybe in crunch time because both his FT and three point shooting is better than the other two. With that being said, those two get it done with less minutes and that shoot just as much as Fish but with a better % from the field.

Fish is now 35 years old...depending how much more medical/heath care is required for his daughter, this may be his last year whether he retires with or 5 rings.

Having talked to many Laker fans, Fisher shouldn't be starting either. He is not a good basketball player. He is shooting under 40% this year. Yes, he is a great clutch shooter, but his defense has declined vociferously and he's only a valuable player in the last two minutes of a game. Otherwise... complete garbage.

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It's amazing that Phil Jackson has started Fisher in over 270 straight games even though "he is not a good basketball player."