If you remember the Doctor was also in that basement at the same time as he warned Rose. The Doctor was engaged in hunting the Nestene and clearly the Autons were activated as they were able to detect his presence.

Surely the Pronuptia living plastic creatures were only activated after the London Eye transmitted the signal.

Those autons were activated at that point but surely the Nestenes always seemed able to selectively control individual units?

I think Rani's got it with this one. In Spearhead individually controlled Autons could wake up and attack at the sense of danger (cliffhanger to episode two for example) but the full on attack comes with the signal from the Nestene later on (the scene with the policeman).

In Spearhead individual Autons are activated prior to the main attack by the glowing spheres, as they are in Terror and BBV's Auton. It is assumed that the spheres are of alien origin and are somehow connected to the Nestene Consciousness. That was my point. There is a sense of suspense created which is missing from the basement scenes in Rose. In these scenes it is pretty obvious that the dummies are the threat. A glowing sphere would have diverted new viewers' attention and made an immediate nod to the classic series for older fans. It would have perhaps worked better, and crated a sense of the mysteriously alien in the midst of the mundane, if there had been an alien sphere in the basement - perhaps found by the dead caretaker - which starts emitting a hum and glow. This would explain both why the caretaker was killed and the reason for the Doctor to be there in the first place. It would also explain why the basement contains living plastic creatures and also would have given the plot greater logic and coherence later in the story. Perhaps the awful opening scenes of Rose waking up and going to work could have been junked in favour of something which hints at the alien and the uncanny. Instead we see Rose and Mickey chomping on medium-priced sandwiches in Trafalgar Square. Rose's story - if that's the perspective from which you want to set up the season - could have still been told._________________Die zarte, aber helle Differenz

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If you remember the Doctor was also in that basement at the same time as he warned Rose. The Doctor was engaged in hunting the Nestene and clearly the Autons were activated as they were able to detect his presence.

Surely the Pronuptia living plastic creatures were only activated after the London Eye transmitted the signal.

Those autons were activated at that point but surely the Nestenes always seemed able to selectively control individual units?

I think Rani's got it with this one. In Spearhead individually controlled Autons could wake up and attack at the sense of danger (cliffhanger to episode two for example) but the full on attack comes with the signal from the Nestene later on (the scene with the policeman).

In Spearhead individual Autons are are activated prior to the main attack by the glowing spheres, as they are in Terror and BBV's Auton. It is assumed that the spheres are of alien origin and are somehow connected to the Nestene Consciousness. That was my point. There is a sense of suspense created which is missing from the basement scenes in Rose. In these scenes it is pretty obvious that the dummies are the threat. A glowing sphere would have diverted new viewers' attention and made an immediate nod to the classic series for older fans. It would have perhaps worked better, and crated a sense of the mysteriously alien in the midst of the mundane, if there had been an alien sphere in the basement - perhaps found by the dead caretaker - which starts emitting a hum and glow. This would explain both why the caretaker was killed and the reason for the Doctor to be there in the first place. It would also explain why the basement contains living plastic creatures and also would have given the plot greater logic and coherence later in the story. Perhaps the awful opening scenes of Rose waking up and going to work could ahve been junked in favour of something which hints at the alien and the uncanny. Instead we see Rose and Mickey chomping on medium-priced sandwiches in Trafalgar Square. Rose's story - if that's the perspective from which you want to set up the season - could have still been told.

Actually yeah, forgot about those spheres. It's been bloody ages since I've seen the season 7 opener!_________________"There are some corners of the universe which have bred the most terrible things. Things which act against everything we believe in. They must be fought!"

Instead we see Rose and Mickey chomping on medium-priced sandwiches in Trafalgar Square.

I think it's the mid-priced sandwich range products which do it for Rani myself B.

He quite clearly is too stupid to see that proper squiddy alien Nestines and Autons in BBV are far superior and adhere more towards Classic Series continuity than some moon-walking Graham Norton voiced Living Plastic Creatures and their Toon-Town Lavagod.

Even on a budget of £50, the Nestines on the church roof in BBVs Auton 2 looks far better and more effective CGI than anything in "Rose"._________________
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Instead we see Rose and Mickey chomping on medium-priced sandwiches in Trafalgar Square.

I think it's the mid-priced sandwich range products which do it for Rani myself B.

He quite clearly is too stupid to see that proper squiddy alien Nestines and Autons in BBV are far superior and adhere more towards Classic Series continuity than some moon-walking Graham Norton voiced Living Plastic Creatures and their Toon-Town Lavagod.

Even on a budget of £50, the Nestines on the church roof in BBVs Auton 2 looks far better and more effective CGI than anything in "Rose".

The fact that you have to resort to criticism relating to a sound error on transmission speaks volumes for the vacuous point you make._________________"I'll be surprised if there's as much as 3 million of the audience left by the time Moffatt finally gets to take over" RobFilth 3/6/08

"I expect the BBC will quietly let Tennant go at the end of this year...." RobFilth 9/6/08

If you remember the Doctor was also in that basement at the same time as he warned Rose. The Doctor was engaged in hunting the Nestene and clearly the Autons were activated as they were able to detect his presence.

Surely the Pronuptia living plastic creatures were only activated after the London Eye transmitted the signal.

Those autons were activated at that point but surely the Nestenes always seemed able to selectively control individual units?

I think Rani's got it with this one. In Spearhead individually controlled Autons could wake up and attack at the sense of danger (cliffhanger to episode two for example) but the full on attack comes with the signal from the Nestene later on (the scene with the policeman).

Thanks Mike. It is all very plausible really._________________"I'll be surprised if there's as much as 3 million of the audience left by the time Moffatt finally gets to take over" RobFilth 3/6/08

"I expect the BBC will quietly let Tennant go at the end of this year...." RobFilth 9/6/08

If you remember the Doctor was also in that basement at the same time as he warned Rose. The Doctor was engaged in hunting the Nestene and clearly the Autons were activated as they were able to detect his presence.

Surely the Pronuptia living plastic creatures were only activated after the London Eye transmitted the signal.

Those autons were activated at that point but surely the Nestenes always seemed able to selectively control individual units?

I think Rani's got it with this one. In Spearhead individually controlled Autons could wake up and attack at the sense of danger (cliffhanger to episode two for example) but the full on attack comes with the signal from the Nestene later on (the scene with the policeman).

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Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 12:46 pm Post subject:

I've also got this - first Who DVD for a while, but it's a favourite, so...

The special features do seem a little thin on the ground, and the commentary starts rather slowly in Episode 1.

The Frighten Factor, as noted by B, is a pile of cack. "Fear... is the brain releasing chemicals..." Really? I had no idea that the brain could do things like that! Gosh. And why the fuck is there a "Christian Minister" on it? He says two not very relevant things in a rather smug manner, although he's marginally more bearable than the twats from DWM and the self-appointed "expert"._________________"My fellow Americans: As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball. But tonight I say to you: We must move forward, not backward! Upward, not forward! And always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"

The Frighten Factor, as noted by B, is a pile of cack. "Fear... is the brain releasing chemicals..." Really? I had no idea that the brain could do things like that! Gosh. And why the fuck is there a "Christian Minister" on it? He says two not very relevant things in a rather smug manner, although he's marginally more bearable than the twats from DWM and the self-appointed "expert".

Instead we see Rose and Mickey chomping on medium-priced sandwiches in Trafalgar Square.

I think it's the mid-priced sandwich range products which do it for Rani myself B.

He quite clearly is too stupid to see that proper squiddy alien Nestines and Autons in BBV are far superior and adhere more towards Classic Series continuity than some moon-walking Graham Norton voiced Living Plastic Creatures and their Toon-Town Lavagod.

Even on a budget of £50, the Nestines on the church roof in BBVs Auton 2 looks far better and more effective CGI than anything in "Rose".

The fact that you have to resort to criticism relating to a sound error on transmission speaks volumes for the vacuous point you make.

As far as I'm concerned there was no sound error.

It was just another of RTD's stupid/camp moments.

Can you provide proof for your ridiculous allegation?_________________
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 12:57 pm Post subject:

B3 wrote:

Chancellor Valium wrote:

The Frighten Factor, as noted by B, is a pile of cack. "Fear... is the brain releasing chemicals..." Really? I had no idea that the brain could do things like that! Gosh. And why the fuck is there a "Christian Minister" on it? He says two not very relevant things in a rather smug manner, although he's marginally more bearable than the twats from DWM and the self-appointed "expert".

Yes, it really is a chillingly inept exercise in pointlessness.

I agree. Now all we need is a pop-psychologist and an evangelical minister to agree and we've replicated it perfectly. _________________"My fellow Americans: As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball. But tonight I say to you: We must move forward, not backward! Upward, not forward! And always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"

Instead we see Rose and Mickey chomping on medium-priced sandwiches in Trafalgar Square.

I think it's the mid-priced sandwich range products which do it for Rani myself B.

He quite clearly is too stupid to see that proper squiddy alien Nestines and Autons in BBV are far superior and adhere more towards Classic Series continuity than some moon-walking Graham Norton voiced Living Plastic Creatures and their Toon-Town Lavagod.

Even on a budget of £50, the Nestines on the church roof in BBVs Auton 2 looks far better and more effective CGI than anything in "Rose".

The fact that you have to resort to criticism relating to a sound error on transmission speaks volumes for the vacuous point you make.

Instead we see Rose and Mickey chomping on medium-priced sandwiches in Trafalgar Square.

I think it's the mid-priced sandwich range products which do it for Rani myself B.

He quite clearly is too stupid to see that proper squiddy alien Nestines and Autons in BBV are far superior and adhere more towards Classic Series continuity than some moon-walking Graham Norton voiced Living Plastic Creatures and their Toon-Town Lavagod.

Even on a budget of £50, the Nestines on the church roof in BBVs Auton 2 looks far better and more effective CGI than anything in "Rose".

The fact that you have to resort to criticism relating to a sound error on transmission speaks volumes for the vacuous point you make.

You must admit though, the sound bleeding from a camp down-market reality/talent show onto the first broadcast of New Who is strangely prescient. Later in the season it would become hard to tell the difference._________________Die zarte, aber helle Differenz

Sorry, that is not official proof Rani, it's just the opinions of fanboys.

As far as the General Public is aware it WAS deliberate and a typically campy/stupid RTD moment as we've come to expect from his trite stories.

You yourself have admitted that stories are ONLY canon in the form in which they are first broadcast, so in your own view the Living Plastic Graham Norton Creatures MUST be canon to the Remake Series and be deliberate._________________
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They should should have re-made The Deadly Assassin for the Eccleston season and called it The Mancunian Candidate.

It could've worked quite well. Here in Manchester, people are always being shot, wrongly accused, falling from high places, dabbling with drugs, almost getting run over by trains and, of course, lying.