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You consider Masquerain useless, but think Game Freak put that much thought into it?

It's more of an aftermath kind of thing that happens with many Pokemon with abysmal stats. They get expanded movepools in later gens, in particular those that boost 2-3 stats at one go, and more useful abilities, though Unnerve isn't exactly better than Intimidate. But even with Roost and Quiver Dance it's still generally outclassed by Butterfree, who gets Quiver Dance as well, had better stats and useful DW ability.

I think the better wording would be "I think Game Freak put much thought into Masquerain to ensure that it becomes useless, and couldn't repair the damage dealt". Can't think of any other way around it, for them to sacrifice unique typing for the purpose of conceptual reasoning.

Of course, Masquerain is still left with one last saving grace: crazy stats-boosting evolution.

The best evolutionary designs are brought about by a balance between change and consistency.Artwork by Piper Thibodeau. You can view more of her work here.

It's more of an aftermath kind of thing that happens with many Pokemon with abysmal stats. They get expanded movepools in later gens, in particular those that boost 2-3 stats at one go, and more useful abilities, though Unnerve isn't exactly better than Intimidate. But even with Roost and Quiver Dance it's still generally outclassed by Butterfree, who gets Quiver Dance as well, had better stats and useful DW ability.

I think the better wording would be "I think Game Freak put much thought into Masquerain to ensure that it becomes useless, and couldn't repair the damage dealt". Can't think of any other way around it, for them to sacrifice unique typing for the purpose of conceptual reasoning.

Of course, Masquerain is still left with one last saving grace: crazy stats-boosting evolution.

My point remains. You consider Masuerain useless, but you also think Game Freak put a lot of thought into it. Game Freak wouldn't put effort into making a Pokemon useless.

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My point remains. You consider Masuerain useless, but you also think Game Freak put a lot of thought into it. Game Freak wouldn't put effort into making a Pokemon useless.

I didn't realize that you were 'making a point'. Let's get one thing straight then: I didn't literally say that Masquerain is useless at first. You interpreted it as so, on post #11101. If we want to get all technical, as long as a Pokemon can function as a Pokemon, i.e. it has stats to do at least one damage, and eventually has the offensive movepool to do something in battle, it's in principle not a 'useless' Pokemon.

But obviously if I'm given a choice of a couple of Pokemon with similar typing (Bug/Flying), I'm going to weigh the pros and cons of each to choose what I deem to be the best that outclasses the rest. And the whole design concept and Pokedex description thingy is part of Pokemon creation process on GF's part. Although they flesh out the game in general, they are not consequential to gameplay itself. GF put in a lot of effort in the conceptual design of Masquerain and perhaps every Pokemon out there, but that doesn't mean I'm going to consider every single one of them equally likable/useful/desirable on my team.

Last edited by Hidden Power; 30th December 2012 at 7:10 PM.

The best evolutionary designs are brought about by a balance between change and consistency.Artwork by Piper Thibodeau. You can view more of her work here.

Hey, somewhat off topic but it seems I am unable to access Bulbapedia at all

Google said this: The Website Ahead Contains Malware!
Google Chrome has blocked access to bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net for now.
Even if you have visited this website safely in the past, visiting it now is very likely to infect your computer with malware.
Malware is malicious software that causes things like identity theft, financial loss, and permanent file deletion.

Hey, somewhat off topic but it seems I am unable to access Bulbapedia at all

Google said this: The Website Ahead Contains Malware!
Google Chrome has blocked access to bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net for now.
Even if you have visited this website safely in the past, visiting it now is very likely to infect your computer with malware.
Malware is malicious software that causes things like identity theft, financial loss, and permanent file deletion.

Mine is an unchanging love, higher than the heights above, deeper than the depths beneath, free and faithful, strong as death.

William Cowper, "Lovest Thou Me?" Olney Hymns

I choose my words carefully, but they may still hurt someone accidentally...

Marley, Pokemon Diamond and Pearl

And, look you, there is nothing in this thing of learning out of books. Here, here and here (pointing to his ear, his head and his heart) is your school. If everything is right there, then take your pen and down with it; afterward ask the opinion of a man who knows his business.

Hey, somewhat off topic but it seems I am unable to access Bulbapedia at all

Google said this: The Website Ahead Contains Malware!
Google Chrome has blocked access to bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net for now.
Even if you have visited this website safely in the past, visiting it now is very likely to infect your computer with malware.
Malware is malicious software that causes things like identity theft, financial loss, and permanent file deletion.

anyone else had or have or heard of this problem, seems like bs to me

I've been getting that message since yesterday. It's just Bulbapedia though, the rest of Bulbagarden are working fine as far as I can see. I wonder if it's just with Chrome?

Hey, somewhat off topic but it seems I am unable to access Bulbapedia at all

Google said this: The Website Ahead Contains Malware!
Google Chrome has blocked access to bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net for now.
Even if you have visited this website safely in the past, visiting it now is very likely to infect your computer with malware.
Malware is malicious software that causes things like identity theft, financial loss, and permanent file deletion.

anyone else had or have or heard of this problem, seems like bs to me

Yup ! even im getting the same thing. Planned to post this question yesterday. Are you going to use bulbapedia or not since Google says that it has malware ?

It doesn't appear to have any malware. I kept using it and I haven't had any problems, no viruses, nothing.

I wouldn't go on it just to be safe, because everything you can find on there can be found on here or smogon or some other site. It shouldn't be down for much longer, I'm sure they're aware of the problem and trying to solve it.

Last edited by Moonrox; 1st January 2013 at 5:32 PM.

Mine is an unchanging love, higher than the heights above, deeper than the depths beneath, free and faithful, strong as death.

William Cowper, "Lovest Thou Me?" Olney Hymns

I choose my words carefully, but they may still hurt someone accidentally...

Marley, Pokemon Diamond and Pearl

And, look you, there is nothing in this thing of learning out of books. Here, here and here (pointing to his ear, his head and his heart) is your school. If everything is right there, then take your pen and down with it; afterward ask the opinion of a man who knows his business.

I believe one of the ad providers to Bulbapedia was infected or falsely claimed as a malware provider due to one link (it also happened to a few other random sites), and I believe Bulbapedia has removed the provider in question, though browsers and Google still show it as being an attack site. I browsed it earlier, and it seemed safe, but I would still tread lightly until the warning goes away.

Mine is an unchanging love, higher than the heights above, deeper than the depths beneath, free and faithful, strong as death.

William Cowper, "Lovest Thou Me?" Olney Hymns

I choose my words carefully, but they may still hurt someone accidentally...

Marley, Pokemon Diamond and Pearl

And, look you, there is nothing in this thing of learning out of books. Here, here and here (pointing to his ear, his head and his heart) is your school. If everything is right there, then take your pen and down with it; afterward ask the opinion of a man who knows his business.

I don't suggest you do this coz bubapedia said themselves that is a malware ad. Stay away from it until the dust settles.

Which is why I said "Just be careful!".

Mine is an unchanging love, higher than the heights above, deeper than the depths beneath, free and faithful, strong as death.

William Cowper, "Lovest Thou Me?" Olney Hymns

I choose my words carefully, but they may still hurt someone accidentally...

Marley, Pokemon Diamond and Pearl

And, look you, there is nothing in this thing of learning out of books. Here, here and here (pointing to his ear, his head and his heart) is your school. If everything is right there, then take your pen and down with it; afterward ask the opinion of a man who knows his business.