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Sasaki seems to enjoy his company though. My guess is she hasn't found a good friend in High School, and desires her time spent with Kyon back.

Also, let's not forget Slider-tan called him "just to hear Sempai's voice". I mean, COME ON! Is there at least ONE member of the SOS Brigade who isn't romantically interested in Kyon? (And yes, I'm taking Koizumi into account )

If there's one thing that bugs me about Kyon it's his overblown praise of Mikuru (particularly in the novels). Yes she's cute, we get it Kyon.

Funny, his romanticizing over Mikuru is one of the things I like about Kyon. It shows that he's genuinely capable of positive thinking from time to time. Granted, I think that he blows Mikuru's appearance a bit out of proportion vis a vis what he says/thinks about Haruhi and Yuki (both of which being above average in physical appearance, imo), but for me, I'd like to see him recognize Haruhi and Yuki's good looks more instead of appreciating Mikuru's less.

Well, I think he is awesome in the novel too. Though Sugita really does a exellent job (I am kinda going to watch Kannon onlt because of him).

But, about the 'unreliable narrator' part. Sure, he certanly don't say all he can about his personal feelings, as Disappearance can show us very well. But some seens to act as he is aways lieing, even whe describing something. Why people get this idea? There is some point in the books he does something like that? I so, where?

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I think one of the main points of Editor in Chief was to show how he hides information he finds embarrassing. In a fit of panic he eventually explains the relationship with the mysterious girl but only after dragging his feat for the entire chapter and even then, he doesn't divulge any of the details for how his friends reacted to the revelation.

My big question about Kyon is whether he's supposed to be (Towards the world that sees him, not us the reader) an awkward socially-unaware geek (He constantly references obscure stufff and he once told Haruhi that if he was rich he'd spend it on games and comics). In the first book for instance I had the impression that he was somewhat experienced with girls and aware that Haruhi's interested in him but later scenes leave that in doubt. That entire scene in book 9 where Kyon was recounting the meeting with Sasaki at the train station he genuinely didn't seem to understand what went wrong, nor why Haruhi would be angry.

I think one of the main points of Editor in Chief was to show how he hides information he finds embarrassing. In a fit of panic he eventually explains the relationship with the mysterious girl but only after dragging his feat for the entire chapter and even then, he doesn't divulge any of the details for how his friends reacted to the revelation.

My big question about Kyon is whether he's supposed to be (Towards the world that sees him, not us the reader) an awkward socially-unaware geek (He constantly references obscure stufff and he once told Haruhi that if he was rich he'd spend it on games and comics). In the first book for instance I had the impression that he was somewhat experienced with girls and aware that Haruhi's interested in him but later scenes leave that in doubt. That entire scene in book 9 where Kyon was recounting the meeting with Sasaki at the train station he genuinely didn't seem to understand what went wrong, nor why Haruhi would be angry.

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I think that (towards the world that sees him) Kyon comes off as a mildly eccentric loner. This image is softened somewhat by his very middle-of-the-road physical appearance, and a look that apparently many females find attractive. So, overall, he's "the quiet kid in school". Not an outright nerd, but not someone who people talk to a lot.

If not for Haruhi, there's a good chance that Kyon's only friends would be Taniguchi and Kunikida. This is precisely why he values the SOS Brigade so much, as much as he's loathe to admit it.

Funny, his romanticizing over Mikuru is one of the things I like about Kyon. It shows that he's genuinely capable of positive thinking from time to time. Granted, I think that he blows Mikuru's appearance a bit out of proportion vis a vis what he says/thinks about Haruhi and Yuki (both of which being above average in physical appearance, imo), but for me, I'd like to see him recognize Haruhi and Yuki's good looks more instead of appreciating Mikuru's less.

His compliments regarding Mikuru sometimes feel like purple prose to me, not quite Stephanie Meyer quality, but still sickeningly sweet. He totally puts her on a pedestal. I might be over exaggerating it though. I just remember when I first read the novels there was so much praise for her that I just got tired of reading it.

...Well it could be worse I guess. At least Kyon's compliments have some class to them.

His compliments regarding Haruhi and Yuki sound much more natural. And yeah I would also like for Kyon to compliment Haruhi and Yuki more.

Doesn't he pretty much say that Haruhi is as good-looking as Mikuru? I think there was something along those lines in Endless Eight (novel version anyway).

Does anybody think if Kyon were to wear a trench coat he'd look like the most recent Doctor or Doctor Who?

... and Mikuru is his TARDIS...

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Sasaki seems to enjoy his company though. My guess is she hasn't found a good friend in High School, and desires her time spent with Kyon back.

I was giving an example of a girl who isn't blatantly attracted to Kyon.

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Also, let's not forget Slider-tan called him "just to hear Sempai's voice". I mean, COME ON! Is there at least ONE member of the SOS Brigade who isn't romantically interested in Kyon? (And yes, I'm taking Koizumi into account )

Technically... Mikuru has no intentions of pursuing a relationship with Kyon. If not for Haruhi's (and Nagato's) retribution, then because history says she didn't, so she can't.

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I think that (towards the world that sees him) Kyon comes off as a mildly eccentric loner. This image is softened somewhat by his very middle-of-the-road physical appearance, and a look that apparently many females find attractive. So, overall, he's "the quiet kid in school". Not an outright nerd, but not someone who people talk to a lot.

If not for Haruhi, there's a good chance that Kyon's only friends would be Taniguchi and Kunikida. This is precisely why he values the SOS Brigade so much, as much as he's loathe to admit it.

Haruhi and Kyon are both examples of people who look attractive, but possess personalities that often clash with others.

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I always thought that Kyon's (over) complimenting of Mikuru was more to do with the fact that he can't admit to himself that he actually likes Haruhi more. A kind of "No! Mikuru is the one I like, not anyone else!" type of thing Almost 'forcing' himself to compliment her so he doesn't have to think of Haruhi.

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Why'd you bring up clumsy people? There's no one overly clumsy in Haruhi outside the spin-offs.

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In the first book for instance I had the impression that he was somewhat experienced with girls and aware that Haruhi's interested in him but later scenes leave that in doubt. That entire scene in book 9 where Kyon was recounting the meeting with Sasaki at the train station he genuinely didn't seem to understand what went wrong, nor why Haruhi would be angry.

Spoiler for Sighs II, Live Alive, novel 9:

There are scenes in the anime where Kyon's narration betrays that he understands that if Haruhi gets jealous over him, terrible things could happen. Two examples:

In Sighs II, when Kyon's having lunch with Taniguchi and Kunikida, Taniguchi says that he's "figured out" that when he barged into Kyon and Nagato, it must have been some sort of joke set up by Haruhi. Kyon stares at Haruhi's empty seat and narrates that that Taniguichi's idiocy may have saved the world.

In Live Alive, Kyon refuses Taniguchi's invitation to go pick up girls, on the (narrated) ground that if a certain somebody were to see him trying to pick up girls, the consequences might be terrible.

This makes it much harder to believe that Kyon doesn't understand that Haruhi might be jealous about seeing him with Sasaki.

It's nowhere near being a defining aspect for her, though. That'd be like saying Kyon is overly cheerful because he's smiled once or twice.

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There are scenes in the anime where Kyon's narration betrays that he understands that if Haruhi gets jealous over him, terrible things could happen. Two examples:

In Sighs II, when Kyon's having lunch with Taniguchi and Kunikida, Taniguchi says that he's "figured out" that when he barged into Kyon and Nagato, it must have been some sort of joke set up by Haruhi. Kyon stares at Haruhi's empty seat and narrates that that Taniguichi's idiocy may have saved the world.

In Live Alive, Kyon refuses Taniguchi's invitation to go pick up girls, on the (narrated) ground that if a certain somebody were to see him trying to pick up girls, the consequences might be terrible.

This makes it much harder to believe that Kyon doesn't understand that Haruhi might be jealous about seeing him with Sasaki.

Good points. I gues this prooves Kyon is a lier... (when talking about Haruhi that is it)

It's nowhere near being a defining aspect for her, though. That'd be like saying Kyon is overly cheerful because he's smiled once or twice.

Her cicada is all the proof I need.

Spoiler for Cicadas don't lie:

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Spoiler for Sighs II, Live Alive, novel 9:

There are scenes in the anime where Kyon's narration betrays that he understands that if Haruhi gets jealous over him, terrible things could happen. Two examples:

In Sighs II, when Kyon's having lunch with Taniguchi and Kunikida, Taniguchi says that he's "figured out" that when he barged into Kyon and Nagato, it must have been some sort of joke set up by Haruhi. Kyon stares at Haruhi's empty seat and narrates that that Taniguichi's idiocy may have saved the world.

In Live Alive, Kyon refuses Taniguchi's invitation to go pick up girls, on the (narrated) ground that if a certain somebody were to see him trying to pick up girls, the consequences might be terrible.

This makes it much harder to believe that Kyon doesn't understand that Haruhi might be jealous about seeing him with Sasaki.

Or could it be that Kyon has a little more faith in Haruhi and has grown a little? I think that's the case.

Technically... Mikuru has no intentions of pursuing a relationship with Kyon. If not for Haruhi's (and Nagato's) retribution, then because history says she didn't, so she can't.

Do we know this for certain? I mean, was there actual dialogue in the later novels to this effect?

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Haruhi and Kyon are both examples of people who look attractive, but possess personalities that often clash with others.

Yes, I'd agree with that. I still think that Kyon comes off as a mostly quiet eccentric loner, though, to most of his class; I doubt that most of his classmates know what his personality is really like (Haruhi, on the other hand...). Kyon's association with Haruhi simply means he comes across as a bit less of a loner, but now as much more eccentric.

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I always thought that Kyon's (over) complimenting of Mikuru was more to do with the fact that he can't admit to himself that he actually likes Haruhi more. A kind of "No! Mikuru is the one I like, not anyone else!" type of thing Almost 'forcing' himself to compliment her so he doesn't have to think of Haruhi.

That's just the way I saw it. ^^;

No offense, but this strikes me as a HaruhiKyon shipper really grasping for straws.

Also, I dislike the heavy layers of pretentiousness that some fans are reading into Kyon and Koizumi - such a notion makes them far less likable as characters, imo.

It's really not that hard to simply accept that Kyon finds Mikuru more attractive than Haruhi. It's really not. Yes, Haruhi has a great look herself, but if Kyon's main thing is basic cuteness and/or breast size, Mikuru genuinely has Haruhi beat there.

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If you had to save the world on a regular basis (with no powers) and had to keep pace with Haruhi... You'd be a little overly snarky too.

No, I wouldn't be.

Not to say I'd handle it terribly better than Kyon does, but snark is rarely my coping mechanism of choice. Quite the contrary, my coping mechanism of choice is usually to try to look on the bright side of things as much as possible.

If I was in Kyon's shoes...

1) I'd be less snarky

2) I probably would have had a worse, more long-term traumatized reaction to the Asakura incident... but not snarky so much as I'd be more jumpy and a bit more cautious. I think that most people would have, honestly. Kyon's got serious guts, I'll give him that.

3) I'd simply refuse to pay out Haruhi's outrageous financial penalties, whatever the consequences... or, if Kyon's financially loaded (as I frequently suspect since he never objects to those penalties), I'd be more generous upfront to avoid the degrading nature of taking such financial penalties.

4) I would have taken Itsuki up on his "I love you" suggestion from the endless summer arc. If it works out well... great. If it doesn't, I can always blame Itsuki.

5) Overall, I'd be enjoying it all a lot more than Kyon is.

Beyond that, I'm not sure. Overall, Kyon has a lot of guts, I'll give him that.

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Oh, and real life "genki" people ("genki" that's the nice way to put it...) aren't that fun to be with. The same goes for real life clumsy people... they aren't cute.

I know real life people with domineering take-charge personalities like Haruhi. I met them in College. They're usually a blast to hang out with. At the high school level, I would have loved to have had a friend like Haruhi.