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A life ban would probably be appropriate on Butt. No way they can pull a 5-fer on Asif, where is the evidence? Even if they do it'll probably be repealed faster than lightning. 2-3 years is acceptable for Amir, he needs more than a slap in the hand.

I hope Amir only gets six months and a heavy fine. Six months starting in August 2010, so he would be able to play the WC. Asif on sub continent pitches and in LOI matches is not that effective. But we need a fast bowler.

Shoaib, Gul and Amir with Wahab on stand-by would be a very good fast bowling unit.

I hope Amir only gets six months and a heavy fine. Six months starting in August 2010, so he would be able to play the WC. Asif on sub continent pitches and in LOI matches is not that effective. But we need a fast bowler.

Shoaib, Gul and Amir with Wahab on stand-by would be a very good fast bowling unit.

how the hell jang can predict the verdict by their own , they have given in the online news with Big heading that Asif , Amir, Butt are out for 5 , 3 , life respectively

I read Jang newspaper daily. One thing i can tell you is that their sources are very reliable. Jang always seem to know whats going on in pakistan cricket and within PCB. They always tell a day ago who will be playing the next match, and who is not playing.

I also read on Jang that kamran akmal is highly unlikey to be part of the 15 man squad for the world cup. ICC still feel that he was part of the spot fixing and will not be cleared to play the world cup.

I read Jang newspaper daily. One thing i can tell you is that their sources are very reliable. Jang always seem to know whats going on in pakistan cricket and within PCB. They always tell a day ago who will be playing the next match, and who is not playing.

I also read on Jang that kamran akmal is highly unlikey to be part of the 15 man squad for the world cup. ICC still feel that he was part of the spot fixing and will not be cleared to play the world cup.

Yeah ok its 6: 40 am in Doha right now, how can jang possibly know the ruling when its not even made yet? unless jang's source are the judges themselves these are mere predictions.

for all i care all 3 can get life bans, i dont understand the support amir is getting so what if he was young and talented while we sat there praying and hoping he was making a few quick bucks by selling out the team and country.

"Though Afridi couldn't win the world cup, for 30 days he turned his country into a nation"

for all i care all 3 can get life bans, i dont understand the support amir is getting so what if he was young and talented while we sat there praying and hoping he was making a few quick bucks by selling out the team and country.

SPOT fixing man SPOT fixing!
its NO big crime!
he didn't sell out the team and country!
i would've done the same

SPOT fixing man SPOT fixing!
its NO big crime!
he didn't sell out the team and country!
i would've done the same

Spot fixing? thats all that has been revealed. the sri lanka ODI when afridi hit the 100 we lost that because 'spot fixers' were at they dirty games, you might think it was just spot fixing but you think they cant do it for full matchs? iy probably isnt hard when your opening batsmen and opening bowlers also.

He might have just been involved in spot-fixing but when you get away with it a few times you escalate and play for more money

"Though Afridi couldn't win the world cup, for 30 days he turned his country into a nation"

Everyone should think about it this way, even if the worst case scenario comes through, and all three get life bans, can you imagine how much pain/hurt we would save from having to deal with this kind of issue (hopefully) in the future. Think about the precedent that will get set for future generations.

I read Jang newspaper daily. One thing i can tell you is that their sources are very reliable. Jang always seem to know whats going on in pakistan cricket and within PCB. They always tell a day ago who will be playing the next match, and who is not playing.

I also read on Jang that kamran akmal is highly unlikey to be part of the 15 man squad for the world cup. ICC still feel that he was part of the spot fixing and will not be cleared to play the world cup.

Jang is usually spot in when it comes to matters relating to Pakistan cricket involving Pakistani officials who like to blab alot (hence the unnamed sources).

In this case the ICC tribunal has been extremely tight lipped. There have been no leaks regarding the trial. The verdict is to be given by Beloff and his team who I am sure are not talking to anyone in Jang.

The verdicts given by Jang are pure speculation in this case in my opinion

man u guys are so gullible. It's like some movie where the man commits the crime, jailed for 3 years and the next scene is that relatives are standing outside and greeting him so he can start where he stopped. 3 years is a long time, there would be other bowlers by that time in the line up and this game is all about momentum. Some of you won't even remember him after that time, he has to play competitive cricket to get back in th groove, his confidence would have been smashed by that time, a cheaters tag, with domestic games that if PCB lets him. Butt, Asif and Aamir are done..move along and hope there aren't anymore like them still in the team. Although, its blindin obvious, they are

man u guys are so gullible. It's like some movie where the man commits the crime, jailed for 3 years and the next scene is that relatives are standing outside and greeting him so he can start where he stopped. 3 years is a long time, there would be other bowlers by that time in the line up and this game is all about momentum. Some of you won't even remember him after that time, he has to play competitive cricket to get back in th groove, his confidence would have been smashed by that time, a cheaters tag, with domestic games that if PCB lets him. Butt, Asif and Aamir are done..move along and hope there aren't anymore like them still in the team. Although, its blindin obvious, they are

Talent like Aamir? I doubt we find someone like him in the next decade. In the end when its all said and done (when he retires) people will not remember him for spot fixing, they will remember him for the talent he had.. Much like Wasim, a known fixer--even though never convicted.

Talent like Aamir? I doubt we find someone like him in the next decade. In the end when its all said and done (when he retires) people will not remember him for spot fixing, they will remember him for the talent he had.. Much like Wasim, a known fixer--even though never convicted.

vow, he's hardly been around, every new flower blossoms..what coulda shoulda is still hanging on the verdict tomorrow. You doubt Pak fast bowling factory? sorry but hard to focus on the "I am sorry, I am young, I made a mistake..well then so is butt, why ppl are OK with him to go? just coz he's not in form
Not only you guys are gullible but also selfish, if it wasn't for his wicket taking ability, no one would care for him that much. You want to see some justice, subtract the time he was wearing cannabis t-shirt and just get in the team and pat on his back saying "sure, it happens..but dont do it again, just go and get us wickets" what is cheating, looks warne did it, and he was a legend..here is the carpet and here is broom

I read Jang newspaper daily. One thing i can tell you is that their sources are very reliable. Jang always seem to know whats going on in pakistan cricket and within PCB. They always tell a day ago who will be playing the next match, and who is not playing.

I also read on Jang that kamran akmal is highly unlikey to be part of the 15 man squad for the world cup. ICC still feel that he was part of the spot fixing and will not be cleared to play the world cup.

PLEASE DO NOT EVER SAY THIS AGAIN

Check this epic revelation by Jang in the thread below where they said "Rana Naved is 25 years old". Date and Page # of newspaper is also mentioned.

Thus, don't believe Jang or NDTV at the moment. These are just educated guesses at the moment.

Indeed.

Though I wouldn't call them "educated" guesses.

It is illiterate BS of the highest order.

These are three top international judges - who have not yet commenced their actual deliberations to reach a verdict, and even once they do, such deliberations would be between the three of them, even the judges' clerks wouldn't know what's being discussed - so would these three very experienced and senior judges leak their inner-most thoughts on Day 3 and Day 4 to idiotic and ill-informed Pakistani and Indian journalists?

Perhaps, but I would "guess" that is highly unlikely.

In any case - if (ie when) the three are found guilty, reasoned judgements would be required by the three defendants. That would take time and probably would not come out today. Once it comes out, it will form the basis of the submissions on sentences. Those submissions would be reviewed by the Judges in their deliberations to decide appropriate sentences.

Hence, there is very little possibility of the actual sanctions in the event of a guilty verdict being announced today - IMHO.

I could be wrong of course, but I would submit that my guess here is more 'educated' than those by the idiots on Pakistani and Indian media.

Yeah ok its 6: 40 am in Doha right now, how can jang possibly know the ruling when its not even made yet? unless jang's source are the judges themselves these are mere predictions.

Many observers and people believe that the decision was made even before this trial started..... This whole trial is basically just a showcase, I'm pretty sure the icc made up their minds before the trial started and are likely to stick to their guns

ban em all for life ,we all know this has been going on for ages and is the only way to clean up our team .
plus we'll have 3 or 4 fast bowlers coming up anyway not like we've a shortage in that department .

This whole trial is basically just a showcase, I'm pretty sure the icc made up their minds before the trial started and are likely to stick to their guns

The ICC making up its mind is completely irrelevant since the ICC is not making the decision. It is only prosecuting and presenting the (mostly NOTW) evidence

I don't think anyone seriously imagines that three very senior, experienced and accomplished international Judges would put their reputations, their legacy and in fact, their life's work, on the line by being involved in corruption for the sake of one petty trial involving three minor miscreants!

The ICC making up its mind is completely irrelevant since the ICC is not making the decision. It is only prosecuting and presenting the (mostly NOTW) evidence

I don't think anyone seriously imagines that three very senior, experienced and accomplished international Judges would put their reputations, their legacy and in fact, their life's work, on the line by being involved in corruption for the sake of one petty trial involving three minor miscreants!

Even the suggestion is ludicrous - that's not how these things work.

I am concerned with their head...he shouldn't have listened to players' appeals if he wanted to hear the main proceedings...

Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live, it is asking others to live as one wishes to live.

Minimum would be a life ban on all these three players IF they are guilty. Nothing less than that as this would set a precedence for all the future incidents.

All the news channels and experts are indicating that the evidence is against all the three players. I do not understand on what basis people here would support these three guys if they are charged with this crime.

I am concerned with their head...he shouldn't have listened to players' appeals if he wanted to hear the main proceedings...

Agreed, that would have been best practice.

However, the two cases are markedly different and have very different arguments. Hence, any half-decent judge would know and understand that decision in one has no relevance to the decision in the other. And this guy is a lot better than a 'half-decent' judge!

Minimum would be a life ban on all these three players IF they are guilty. Nothing less than that as this would set a precedence for all the future incidents.

All the news channels and experts are indicating that the evidence is against all the three players. I do not understand on what basis people here would support these three guys if they are charged with this crime.

Ok again last time before the verdict.
I hope Butt is life banned.
And i changed my view on the other two.
Asif can get free of charge and Amir should have a litle ban because otherwise every yougster will be tempted...

Minimum would be a life ban on all these three players IF they are guilty. Nothing less than that as this would set a precedence for all the future incidents.

All the news channels and experts are indicating that the evidence is against all the three players. I do not understand on what basis people here would support these three guys if they are charged with this crime.

You wouldn't understand because you're an Indian, and probably dancing with joy when we're down, all while constantly trying to pass off as a Pakistani in this forum.

"We have requested the judges to look at the case carefully and properly and with due consideration before they announce the verdict," Karim told Geo TV. "This is up to them, and if they have looked at it with thought and consideration, then after we finish they'll tell us if the verdict is announced today or at a later date.

"I am satisfied that the hearing has been very good and impartial, and I can say from our point of view at least we are hopeful. The onus is now on the judges."

Amir, who was alleged to have bowled no-balls to order in the Lord's Test, was philosophical. "When the nation's prayers are with you, you don't feel so scared and there is hope. It's been difficult to sleep over the last few nights but my eyes are open now and when good news comes I will hopefully be able to close them properly.

"We are satisfied with how things have gone, and my family's prayers are also with me. I'm feeling good and am hoping for some good news."

Amir's lawyer requests deferred verdict
Osman Samiuddin in Doha
January 11, 2011
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Mohammad Amir's legal counsel has requested the ICC's three-man tribunal examining the charges of spot-fixing to take more time to study the case before announcing its verdict. The closing statements of the six-day hearing were presented on Tuesday morning and while the verdict was expected later in the day, Amir's laywer Shahid Karim was hoping for a deferment.

"We have requested the judges to look at the case carefully and properly and with due consideration before they announce the verdict," Karim told Geo TV. "This is up to them, and if they have looked at it with thought and consideration, then after we finish they'll tell us if the verdict is announced today or at a later date.

"I am satisfied that the hearing has been very good and impartial, and I can say from our point of view at least we are hopeful. The onus is now on the judges."

Amir, who was alleged to have bowled no-balls to order in the Lord's Test, was philosophical. "When the nation's prayers are with you, you don't feel so scared and there is hope. It's been difficult to sleep over the last few nights but my eyes are open now and when good news comes I will hopefully be able to close them properly.

"We are satisfied with how things have gone, and my family's prayers are also with me. I'm feeling good and am hoping for some good news."