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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson )
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In <809201234snz@abaron.demon.co.uk> Alexander Baron
writes:
>
>In article <41dt5r$44md@news-s02.ny.us.ibm.net>
> gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:
>
>> By the way, did you know where Ernst Roehm, the number 2 in the Nazi
Party
>> for years, used to get his lovin'? Clue: it wasn't females.
>
>That's one extermination I'll forgive Hitler for. Incidentally,
Torah-true
>Jews believe that exterminating faggots is justified. They believe
they
>will roast in Gehinom for all eternity.
>--
>Alexander Baron
>
>"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who
dare
>not is a slave." - W. Drummond
Dear scumjew: I am pro-faggot and anti-scumjew. Pharaoh should have
killed Moses and his followers (scumjew like you) instead of mercifully
exiling you from the Holy Land (Egypt). He was way too merciful!
Moses invented genocide, not Hitler.
Up with polytheism and down with monotheism! I am anti-scumjew and
pro-faggot and a femiNazi. Sieg Heil! Heil Roehm!
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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson )
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.history
Subject: Re: GERMAN AMERICAN ARRESTED FOR THOUGHT CRIME
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In <41i1tf$r4g@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> a2ce3wog@ix.netcom.com (T.
Maczuga Kaus (ind. cat3wog) ) writes:
>
>In ncrccjc@ibm.net writes:
>>
>>
>>IWildman Writes:
>>> American Revisionist Jailed by Thought-police.
>>> Most people read Orwell's 1984 with a sense of comfort knowing that
>the authoritarian regime that is described could never take place in a
>Western country. Others have seemingly read it and adopted it as an
>ideal. rwell wrote in his masterpiece, "Thoughtcrime does not entail
>death: thoughtcrime IS death."
>>> On August 8th, the thought-police arrested a German-American human
>rights activist for thoughtcrime. Hans Schmidt was arrested at the
>Frankfurt/Main airport enroute to his home in Florida. Schmidt's
crime
> having written something in his newsletter, USA-Bericht / GANPAC
>Brief, which offended certain individuals.
>>> Schmidt is known as the President of GANPAC, a political action
>committee
>>> which represents the interests of Germans and Americans of German
>descent living in the United States. In the past, Schmidt has been
>outspoken in his views on the rehabilitation of the German soldiers'
>image. He has stated that this image has been tarnished by incessant
>media attacks.
> Schmidt has been sent to a prison in Schweirn. He is being
>represented by
>
>>> Hajo Herrmann, the attorney who defended U.S. gas chamber expert
>Fred Leuchter, who was also arrested in Germany for thought-crimes.
>>>Human Rights Department
>>> Washington, D.C.
>
>>> In fact according to an AP story printed in the Toronto Sun on Aug.
>17, 1995 Schmidt was detained in Germany because a newsletter he
>publishes denies the Nazis murdered Jews during World War 2. In
Germany
>it is a crime to defame the dead. You may not like the law but as the
>take-off on the old adage
>>
>>goes "...when in Germany do as the Germans do..."
>>
>
>Did the AP story say where the crime was committed _ in Germany. Did
>his newsletter denying history circulate in Germany?
>
>Wow. Talk about flunking a History test!
>
>T.
Germany must be ruled by a pack of traitors when a German is
persecuted for being pro-German.
And, to all you politically-correct idiots out there: Yes, persecution
of revisionists IS totalitarian thought-control, ala "1984".
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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson )
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: GERMAN AMERICAN ARRESTED FOR THOUGHT CRIME
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In dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
writes:
>
>widmann@aol.com (Widmann) writes:
>
>Just out of curiosity - are you related to a certain Dr. Widmann,
>who spent some time in Mogilev during WW2?
>
>[About "revisionist" Hans Schmidt]
>
>Is that the guy Vicksell used to quote? Same guy who was a
>member of the "Hitler Youth" in Germany?
>
># He is being represented by
># Hajo Herrmann, the attorney who defended U.S. gas chamber expert
># Fred Leuchter
>
>Leuchter is not a "gas chamber expert". He's a charlatan and
>a liar, who has no idea what he's talking about. Even "leading
>revisionists" have given up on Leuchter's rubbish.
>
>BTW, I do not support Germany's "Auschwitz Lie" laws. Even
>the scum of the earth should be allowed to say what they
>think(?), as long as they don't preach violence.
I agree with you on that last point. Everyone has the right to say
what they think, even those who let the media do their thinking for
them and the scum who smear revisionists like Fred Leuchter (who IS a
gas chamber expert, persecuted for speaking what he believes to be the
truth).
>
>
>-Danny Keren.
>
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Subject: Re: Abaron, aknave, afool
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In <41j0mt$cpp@shiva.usa.net> hkatz@earth.usa.net (Harry Katz) writes:
>
>In article <809200904snz@abaron.demon.co.uk>,
>Alexander Baron (A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk) once again demonstrates
>his phenomenal ability to confuse a simple issue:
>
> Hitler stated in Mein Kampf that his first reaction to
> anti-Semitism was one of disgust. Later he changed his mind.
> This is a matter of record and is not really important.
>
>Indeed!
>
>
> By the same token many former Communists have become
> virulent anti-Communists and so on.
>
>Nevertheless, before their conversion they were justly called,
>"Communists," and after their conversion they could no longer be
justly
>called, "Communists!"
>
>By the same token, if Hitler ever rejected anti-Semitism and other
>forms of racism, then at that time he was not a racist. But once he
>changed his mind, he became a racist, and he stayed a racist until his
>dying breath!
>
>This is so simple, only Mr. Baron could have missed it!
But is "anti-Semitism" a form of racism? What is "anti-Semitism"? Is
it a hostility to all Jews indiscriminately or only toward some Jews?
If the former, then I am not an "anti-Semite"? If the latter, then I
most definitely am. And what is a "Jew"? A race or a religion? If a
race, then "anti-Semitism" is racism. But, if Judaism is a religion,
then it is not.
I oppose Judaism because it is monotheist and patriarchist.
(BTW, that makes me the reverse of Hitler, who opposed "anti-Semitism"
when he thought Jews were a religion, but became an "anti-Semite" when
he thought they were a race.)
>
>--
>Harry Katz
>
>It is sinful to hate, but noble to pardon.
> -- The Wit and Wisdom of the Talmud, Madison C. Peters, ed.
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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson )
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Subject: Re: GERMAN AMERICAN ARRESTED FOR THOUGHT CRIME
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In ncrccjc@ibm.net writes:
>
>
>IWildman Writes:
>
>> American Revisionist Jailed by Thought-police.
>
>>
>
>> Most people read Orwell's 1984 with a sense of comfort knowing that
the
>
>> authoritarian regime that is described could never take place in a
Western
>
>> country. Others have seemingly read it and adopted it as an ideal.
>
>> Orwell wrote in his masterpiece, "Thoughtcrime does not entail
death:
>
>> thoughtcrime IS death."
>
>>
>
>> On August 8th, the thought-police arrested a German-American human
rights
>
>> activist for thoughtcrime. Hans Schmidt was arrested at the
>
>> Frankfurt/Main airport enroute to his home in Florida. Schmidt's
crime -
>
>> having written something in his newsletter, USA-Bericht / GANPAC
Brief,
>
>> which offended certain individuals.
>
>>
>
>> Schmidt is known as the President of GANPAC, a political action
committee
>
>> which represents the interests of Germans and Americans of German
descent
>
>> living in the United States. In the past, Schmidt has been
outspoken in
>
>> his views on the rehabilitation of the German soldiers' image. He
has
>
>> stated that this image has been tarnished by incessant media
attacks.
>
>>
>
>> Schmidt has been sent to a prison in Schweirn. He is being
represented by
>
>> Hajo Herrmann, the attorney who defended U.S. gas chamber expert
Fred
>
>> Leuchter, who was also arrested in Germany for thought-crimes.
>
>> uman Rights Department
>
>> Washington, D.C.
>
>>
>
>> In fact according to an AP story printed in the Toronto Sun on Aug.
17, 1995
>
>Schmidt was detained in Germany because a newsletter he publishes
denies the
>
>Nazis murdered Jews during World War 2. In Germany it is a crime to
defame the
>
>dead. You may not like the law but as the take-off on the old adage
>
>goes "...when in Germany do as the Germans do..."
>
What about defaming dead Germans?
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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson )
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Subject: Re: Guns (was Re: Pat Buchanan)
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In <41jau9$d7h@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM> fiddler@Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix)
writes:
>
>> Ronald Schoenberg writes:
>> >
>> >Whatever it means for criminals, guns in the hands of the people is
going
>> >to mean a lot more dead and wounded people.
>
>This would explain the huge rate of crimes committed by those in
Florida
>who have obtained concealed carry permits.
>
>It currently stands at 18 out of 240,000 permit holders.
>
>Well, 18 permits have been revoked...essentially none of them for
>reasons that involved discharge of the weapon.
>
Gun control is slavery.
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Subject: Re: Guns (was Re: Pat Buchanan)
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In <41jb38$d7h@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM> fiddler@Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix)
writes:
>
>In article 0008D1AF@um.cc.umich.edu, tom_delosh@um.cc.umich.edu (Tom
DeLosh) writes:
>> Ronald Schoenberg writes:
>> [..]
>> >Whatever it means for criminals, guns in the hands of the people is
going
>> >to mean a lot more dead and wounded people.
>>
>> Why all of a sudden? The US has been pretty much saturated with
>> guns for as long as any of us has been alive. Have you been shot?
>> Me neither.
>
>It turns out that the fraction of gun-related homicides have remained
>constant since at least the 1920's: about 70%, give or take.
>
>Note that non-gun homicide rates have gone up or down along with the
>with-gun rates during all of that time: something other than gun
>availability, numbers, etc. must be responsible for changes in the
>rate of violent crime.
>
True.
Gun control is slavery.
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In "Christian D.
Lyman" writes:
>
>On Thu, 24 Aug 1995, veiledningen wrote:
>
>> Hello, I think every kid should get their own gun. If
>> 5 years old children learn how to use a Uzi or
>> something similair, they learn respect for guns, and
>> therefor don4t abuse guns as their parents.
>
>Somehow I get the feeling you might be just a tad sarcastic? :-)
>Of course children should not have access to guns. However, the people
of
>the US are not children--or is this what you are trying to imply?
Yes, that precisely IS what veiledningen is trying to imply. That is
what all gun controllers try to imply.
>I am guessing that you are from Norway based on your address, but I
could
>be wrong. If not, please realize that we in the US have a very
different
>political history and many of us have a different philosophy of the
>proper role of government. We do not wish to impose our views on you,
>and we respect the differences between ourselves--the same differences
that
>make this world interesting. Try to do the same, eh?
>chris
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In <41jau9$d7h@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM> fiddler@Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix)
writes:
>
>> Ronald Schoenberg writes:
>> >
>> >Whatever it means for criminals, guns in the hands of the people is
going
>> >to mean a lot more dead and wounded people.
>
>This would explain the huge rate of crimes committed by those in
Florida
>who have obtained concealed carry permits.
>
>It currently stands at 18 out of 240,000 permit holders.
>
>Well, 18 permits have been revoked...essentially none of them for
>reasons that involved discharge of the weapon.
>
Gun control is slavery.
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In <41jb38$d7h@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM> fiddler@Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix)
writes:
>
>In article 0008D1AF@um.cc.umich.edu, tom_delosh@um.cc.umich.edu (Tom
DeLosh) writes:
>> Ronald Schoenberg writes:
>> [..]
>> >Whatever it means for criminals, guns in the hands of the people is
going
>> >to mean a lot more dead and wounded people.
>>
>> Why all of a sudden? The US has been pretty much saturated with
>> guns for as long as any of us has been alive. Have you been shot?
>> Me neither.
>
>It turns out that the fraction of gun-related homicides have remained
>constant since at least the 1920's: about 70%, give or take.
>
>Note that non-gun homicide rates have gone up or down along with the
>with-gun rates during all of that time: something other than gun
>availability, numbers, etc. must be responsible for changes in the
>rate of violent crime.
>
True.
Gun control is slavery.
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In "Christian D.
Lyman" writes:
>
>On Thu, 24 Aug 1995, veiledningen wrote:
>
>> Hello, I think every kid should get their own gun. If
>> 5 years old children learn how to use a Uzi or
>> something similair, they learn respect for guns, and
>> therefor don4t abuse guns as their parents.
>
>Somehow I get the feeling you might be just a tad sarcastic? :-)
>Of course children should not have access to guns. However, the people
of
>the US are not children--or is this what you are trying to imply?
Yes, that precisely IS what veiledningen is trying to imply. That is
what all gun controllers try to imply.
>I am guessing that you are from Norway based on your address, but I
could
>be wrong. If not, please realize that we in the US have a very
different
>political history and many of us have a different philosophy of the
>proper role of government. We do not wish to impose our views on you,
>and we respect the differences between ourselves--the same differences
that
>make this world interesting. Try to do the same, eh?
>chris
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Subject: Re: Gay Nazis? (was: Pedophiles!)
Date: 27 Aug 1995 06:43:39 GMT
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In bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
Griswold) writes:
>
>Harry Katz (hkatz@earth.usa.net) writes:
>
>Al Baron:
>> Incidentally, Torah-true Jews believe that exterminating faggots
>> is justified. They believe they will roast in Gehinom for all
>> eternity.
>>
>> Yes, the Torah does prescribe death for committing sodomy, but there
>> must be two witnesses to the actual act, and the perpetrators must
have
>> been specifically warned of the consequences in advance. That is
not
>> the same thing as "exterminating faggots!" which implies no judicial
>> proceedings and no specific act of sodomy.
>>
>> But as there has not been a rabbinical court in nearly two millenia,
>> nor any evidence that any "sodomites" were ever put to death by a
>> rabbinical court when they did exist, this fact becomes a mere
oddity
>> with no practical effect.
>
>Much of jewry can be rightly described as oddity.
Monotheism is homophobia, patriarchy, and genocide.
>
>Les
>
>
>--
>Freedom isn't free.
>Free men aren't equal.
>Equal men aren't free.
Agree. And what goes for men goes equally for women.
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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson )
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Subject: Re: DEBATING THE HOLOCAUST
Date: 27 Aug 1995 07:15:03 GMT
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In <60.28328.2972.0N1F1555@canrem.com> christopher.saunders@canrem.com
(Christopher Saunders) writes:
>
>Why can't we openly debate the holocaust? It is clear to me that
>there are TWO sides to the issue: the Jewish side and the
>Revisionist side. We've all heard the Jew's version of the story
>(the evil Nazis exterminated 6,000,000 Jews), but for some
>reason, we are not allowed to hear the Revisionist version.
>
>People like Ernst Zundel, who have alternative views on the
>holocaust, are persecuted for their beliefs. People like Ken
>McVay who support the Jew's version of the holocaust are
>supported, promoted and even funded. Do we not live in a "free
>speech" society? If so, then the rights of people like Ernst
>Zundel must be protected.
I totally agree.
>
>I believe that the holocaust happened, but I do not believe that
>it happened to the extent that the Jews said it did. The reason
>why I doubt the "official" figures is because the pro-holocaust
>lobby works over-time to silence those who challenge the
>"official" version. I believe that the pro-holocaust lobby have
>something to hide when they seek to silence people like Ernst
>Zundel.
Sounds like it.
>
>Internet: christopher.saunders@canrem.com FidoNet: 1:229/15
>Politically Incorrect BBS - 416-467-4975
>
>... Did you expect mere proof to sway my opinion?
>
>___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR]
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Subject: Re: Zundel and the UFO's (Re: Toronto Sun Confirmation: Lemire is lying)
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In <1995Aug25.111020.4443@cs.mun.ca> dpenny@cs.mun.ca (Damian Penny)
writes:
>
>dbooth@hannibal.wncc.cc.ne.us (Don Booth) writes:
>
>>this guy needs to have a lobatomy. First have some research material
to
>>sight before you go around making a complete fool of yourself, then
at
>>least you have someone to quote as being just as big of an idiot as
you are.
>
>
>>karl mamer (kamamer@io.org)
>>wrote: : dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>>: > [Followup restricted]
>>: >
>>: > HAPLO wrote:
>>: >
>>: > # Well Lets see why would he do such a thing?
>>: >
>>: > Who knows, maybe those UFO's he used to talk about
>>: > ordered him to do so?
>>: >
>>: > Zundel used to write articles about a "secret UFO
>>: > base" in the South Pole. He claimed the Nazis built
>>: > these UFO's and fled there when the Reich fell, and that
>>: > they are still there.
>>: >
>>: > Zundel's followers nowadays claim he only "did it
>>: > for the publicity". I think there's a much simpler
>>: > explanation: like most other "Holocaust revisionists",
>>: > Zundel's crazy.
>>: >
>>: > Or there may be another explanation. Didn't Zundel also
>>: > publish ads, stating he wants to launch an expedition
>>: > to the South Pole, to look for these UFO's, and didn't
>>: > he ask for donations to fund this expedition? What
>>: > does this reflect on one's character?
Damn sight better than you.
>
>>: Or what does this say about those who champion him?
Damn sight better than you.
>
>Here's the full scoop on Zundel and his "Nazis-within-earth" theory,
>all outlined in Jerome Clark's entertaining book "Unexplained!".
>In the '70s, writing under the name "Christof Freidrich", Zundel
>wrote a couple of books claiming that, after WW2, Hitler and some
>of the Nazi hierarchy escaped by U-boat to the South Pole, where
>they set up a subterranean base. They developed very advanced
>weapons - in fact, "flying saucers" are actually Nazi weapons!
Indeed,
>the Allies attempted to attack this secret base, but were no match
>for these superior Nazi weapons. (Shocking! They covered all this
>up in my high-school and university history classes! :) )
> Anyway, Zundel tried to solicit funding and volunteers to
>charter an airliner - emblazoned with a swaztika, to show the Nazis
>that they were friendly - to make an expedition to the South Pole
>Nazi base. Guess what? He was not successful!
> All of this, of course, qualifies Zundel as a complete nutbar,
>but - surprise, surprise - Clark notes that other hollow-earth
theorists
>are also neo-Nazis, such as Norma Cox of Arkansas. That should tell
>you something about the neo-Nazi movement.
>
Damn sight better than you.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--
>DAMIAN PENNY - dpenny@ganymede.cs.mun.ca - MEMORIAL UNIVERSITY OF
NEWFOUNDLAND
>"There are people who seem to think that the world owes them an awful
> lot, but who feel no need to explain to the world what they have
> contributed that led to this great debt." - Thomas
Sowell
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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson )
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Subject: Re: The Zionist Definition Of Anti-Semitism
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In <809295372snz@abaron.demon.co.uk> Alexander Baron
writes:
>
>This pamphlet was approved by two Rabbis. Like the liars, hatemongers
>and hate-filled slime they are, the self-styeld leaders of the
Anglo-Jewish
>Establishment referred it to the Attorney General. No action was
taken.
>
>
>
>Charity Begins At Home:
>
>How To Help Your Fellow Jews - And Combat Anti-Semitism
>
>An Anglo-Hebrew Publishing Information Pamphlet
>
>
> 2nd Edition
>
>
>Charity Begins At Home: How To Help Your Fellow Jews - And Combat
>Anti-Semitism$
>
>
>The Jews In Business
>
>
>Anti-Semites hold many erroneous beliefs about Jews including
>that they control the financial system or even the entire econ-
>omy. Bizarre as such beliefs may at first sight appear, a power-
>ful case can be made out for them. The roster of Jewish names
>associated with banking, particularly "international banking", is
>so long that it is embarrassing: Goldman, Lehman, Loeb, Seligman,
>and of course Rothschild, to name but five. Jewish names are
>well-represented in commerce too: H. Samuel the jewellers, Am-
>strad (owned by Alan Sugar), and Marks & Spencer, Britain's
>largest (and most respected) retailer. Several hundred names
>could be added to this list, but impressive though it is, it is
>an illusion that Jews in any sense monopolise or even dominate
>the economy. (1)
>
>The anti-Semitic fantasy is that Jewish commercial hegemony is
>the result of a conspiracy; the reality is that the Jews are more
>successful in the free market largely because they are better at
>satisfying their customers' demands. After all, nobody $has$ to
>buy from Jews.
>
>
>The Jewish Poor
>
>
>The fact that there are so many wealthy and successful Jews is
>obviously good news for them, but it is bad news for the Jewish
>poor, who have to a large extent been forgotten because many
>people don't realise they exist. The reality is very different.
>Over the years, surveys have shown that the Jewish poor are with
>us every bit as much as the Gentile poor, and in some cases more
>so.
>
>A 1974 American study revealed that the South Beach area of Miami
>Beach had 40,000 poor residents, four fifths of them over 65 and
>85% of them Jewish. (2) Most striking though was poverty among
>Hassidic Jews, of all ages, largely because of the special pro-
>blems their way of life creates for them in the modern world.
>
>One of these problems is unemployment. As one writer puts it,
>"What insurance company wants to hire a man with side curls to
>sell its policies? What businessman is going to dismiss an em-
>ployee at noon on Fridays so that he can hurry home to prepare
>for his Sabbath when he can't even make up the time on Saturday?"
>(3) There are 25,000 Hassidic Jews in Williamsburg, Brooklyn.
>
>Another reason there are so many poor American Jews is that they
>missed out on the "war on poverty", which was aimed at other
>ethnic minorities in the 60s. Again, everyone - at least everyone
>in authority - seems to have assumed that there were no poor
>Jews. (4) But one does not have to travel to the United States to
>find poor Jews.
>
>In Stamford Hill, the site of Britain's largest Hassidic colony,
>there are large numbers of poor Jews, many of whom are unem-
>ployed. In fact, if you scratch the surface you will find poor
>Jews everywhere Jews live.
>
>
>Jewish Charity
>
>
>Another claim anti-Semites frequently make is that Jews look
>after their own kind. If this is meant to be an insult, then it
>is one that every Jew should be proud of. In fact, Jews do - on
>average - give more generously to charity than Gentiles, probably
>because charity is considered an obligation by Judaism. There are
>many Jewish charities doing good work for the poor in Britain.
>(5)
>
>In 1982, scholar Harold Pollins wrote, "The Jewish Welfare Board
>(in the early 70s) was assisting 2,500 elderly people." And that
>in 1974, the Board claimed in an appeal for funds that in London
>and the South-East "one in every ten Jewish families comes to us
>for help." (6) At the same time, "The Norwood Homes for Jewish
>children were looking after more than one thousand children." (7)
>Indeed, to this day, the Norwood Homes regularly runs appeals in
>the $Jewish Chronicle$.
>
>
>Misplaced Idealism
>
>
>If Jewish charity has been generous at home, it has been even
>more generous abroad, particularly towards the State of Israel.
>Since its founding in 1948, Israel has received literally bil-
>lions of dollars from the Jewish communities throughout the
>Diaspora and billions more in "aid" from the United States.
>Indeed, even before its founding, Israel was the receipt of
>Jewish largess; two hundred million dollars were sent to Pales-
>tine in the years 1939-48. (8)
>
>American Jews, British Jews and Jews throughout the Diaspora
>continue to send enormous sums of money to Israel and to lobby
>their governments on its behalf. They do this out of idealism,
>because they believe that the State of Israel is symbolic of the
>struggle of the Jewish people throughout the ages and because
>they feel an emotional attachment to it. Any Jew who does not
>support Zionism fervently runs the risk of being condemned by
>Zionist organisations as un-Jewish or even as anti-Jewish. Zion-
>ism and Judaism are inseparable is their message. In reality
>though, Zionism and Judaism couldn't be more different, for
>whereas Judaism is the Mother of all religions and the source of
>our code of morality, Zionism is a philosophy purely of self-
>aggrandisement, a vicious, egocentric, nationalistic movement far
>worse than either apartheid or Nazism. It is in fact nothing less
>than a well-organised and quite insidious international criminal
>conspiracy which is responsible for the oppression, torture and
>murder of the Palestinian people and the expropriation of their
>land.
>
"Judaism is the Mother of all religions": This is pure b.s.. Judaism
is the mother of monotheistic religions and a destroyer of polytheistic
religions. It is certainly not the mother of my religion, which is the
ancient Egyptian polytheism, nor of the Hindu religion, nor that of the
ancient Mayans, nor that of the Vikings and Celts (the founders of our
Western culture), nor that of the Greeks, nor the Chinese, etc..
As for "the source of our code of morality", consider these "great
ethical commandments": Leviticus 20:18, Exodus 22:18, Exodus 11:5,
Psalms 137:9, and others like them.
>
>The Myth Of "Gallant Little Israel"
>
>
>The picture the media paints of Israel is one of a defenceless,
>democratic country surrounded by a swarm of bloodthirsty Arabs
>hell-bent on its destruction. This is a blatant lie. Israel was
>born in blood and almost from the beginning, the Zionists commit-
>ted outrages against the largely defenceless and peaceful Pa-
>lestinians with arms purchased by money raised by American Zion-
>ist groups or stolen from the British, who ruled Palestine under
>the Mandate. (9)
>
>Israel has fought a series of wars against its Arab neighbours,
>and because the Israelis are heavily outnumbered, the Zionists
>and their powerful friends have been able to portray the Israelis
>as David to the Arabs' Goliath. In reality though the Arabs are
>neither unified nor as well-armed as the Israelis, so they have
>never been a match for them.
>
>Since the birth of the State of Israel, and indeed before, the
>Zionists have been responsible for untold and unspeakable out-
>rages against the Palestinian people. (10) All of these outrages
>have been funded by the American taxpayer and by "Jewish" organi-
>sations and donations.
>
>The Zionists have consistently ignored both international law and
>common humanity. One of their most heinous atrocities occurred in
>1982 when they sent their murderous friends the "Christian"
>Phalangists into the refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila where
>they massacred as many as a thousand defenceless people, mostly
>women and children. The Zionists are continuing to build settle-
>ments in the Occupied Territories in defiance of international
>law, and continuing to oppress and murder the Palestinian people
>in defiance of the $Torah$.
I beg to differ. These Zionist practices are very much in keeping with
the genocides against "heathen" peoples in the Old Testament.
>
>Many, many allegations of torture, rape and other ill-treatment
>of arbitrarily arrested political prisoners have been substantia-
>ted by human rights organisations. December 1987 saw the begin-
>ning of the $intifada$, the spontaneous uprising of the Palesti-
>nian people against their oppressors. This consisted mainly of
>young people throwing stones at soldiers and in return being
>shot. If this had happened in Northern Ireland the British gov-
>ernment would have had hell to pay, it may even had been brought
>down. But because these atrocities were committed by Israel,
>nothing has ever been done about them. According to one source,
>400 Palestinians were killed in the first year of the $intifada$
>and 20,000 were injured! (11)
>
>In December 1992, the Israeli government expelled four hundred
>and fifteen men, literally turfed them out of their homes into
>the desert, merely on suspicion of their having been sympathetic
>to a terrorist organisation. Although there were loud protests
>from human rights organisations and the world's press, the Israe-
>li government has again done exactly as it wished with total
>impunity.
>
>In May 1993, the human rights organisation Amnesty International
>issued a press release which revealed that since then, more than
>100 Palestinians have been shot and killed by the Israeli secur-
>ity forces, thirty of them under the age of seventeen.
>
>Rana Abu Tuyur, an 11 year old girl, was murdered on her way to
>buy milk on 19th December 1992.
>
>Maher al-Maja' idah, aged 8, was murdered on 20th March 1993.
>
>Ra' edah al-Qarra, a 13 year old girl, was murdered on 8th April
>1993. (12)
>
>This is the reality of "gallant little Israel", an island of
>$democracy$ in a sea of Arab tyranny.
>
>
>Your Money Buys Their Bullets
>
>
>Terrible as all the above is, there is something even more ter-
>rible, that is the complicity of Diaspora Jewry worldwide in
>these outrages against humanity, and against Judaism. When you
>send money to Israel, you are buying bullets for the murderers of
>Palestinian children. Anyone who donates money to the State of
>Israel has blood on his hands. And, unfortunately, this is a
>crime the leaders of Diaspora Jewry have been guilty of since
>1948 and before.
>
>Zionist leaders, the world's greatest hypocrites, always try to
>equate anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism. If by their silence Jews
>condone this sort of blasphemy, then frankly they deserve to be
>hated, but, surprising as it may seem, the Palestinian people do
>not hate the Jews, they do not want to push them into the sea,
>all they want is basic human rights, civil liberties and justice,
>something the $Talmud$ makes much of.
>
>No one is saying that you have a duty to speak out against this
>sort of tyranny. The Zionist octopus can and does make life
>extremely unpleasant for even its mildest critics. Gentile dis-
>senters are smeared mercilessly as anti-Semitic while Jewish
>"renegades" are dealt with in a number of ways. But you do have a
>duty not to endorse the repression of a nation and the murder of
>its children. Don't send money to Israel. Don't raise money for
>Zionist causes, however well-meaning. Practice charity by all
>means, but give to your own communities. There are thousands of
>poor Jews in Britain and elsewhere throughout the Diaspora who
>deserve your charity. The State of Israel and its murderous
>servants do not.
>
>
>Another Successful Pre-emptive Strike
>In Order To Avert Another "Holocaust"
>
>
>As the first edition of this pamphlet went to press, Israel was
>paused to start yet another war in the Middle East, this time by
>a murderous assault on the Lebanon. As these words are written it
>is estimated that up to half a million people have been forced to
>leave their homes. The rationalisation for this - as ever - is
>that Israel's security is threatened by Arab "terrorists" and
>that, presumably, they must be wiped out in order to avert an-
>other "Holocaust". At the same time, a man who was alleged to
>have murdered Jews in a Nazi "extermination camp" has been final-
>ly acquitted after seven years in captivity - and detained in
>custody to face further charges. It is ironic that nearly fifty
>years after the end of the Second World War, Zionist leaders
>still agonise over the alleged Nazi exterminations of Jews and
>vow never again while at the same time they are busy perpetrating
>a Holocaust of their own. To them, only Jewish suffering matters,
>only Jewish deaths are important, only Jewish Holocausts count.
>Hopefully, you are not of the same persuasion. Again, we appeal
>to you: don't send money to Israel or give the murderous thugs
>who control this fascist regime an iota of moral support.
>
>They have blood on their hands; if you do not condemn them total-
>ly and utterly, you will have blood on yours by proxy.
>
>
>Notes and References
>
>
>(1) Marks & Spencer for example is a public company and in any
>case, co-founder Tom Spencer was a $goy$. The diamond trade is
>traditionally a Jewish stronghold and virtually a Jewish monopo-
>ly; Jews are well-represented in the clothing trade; but there
>are some industries where they are poorly represented if at all.
>Asians are now extremely well-represented in retailing in Britain
>owning perhaps half the small retail outlets nationwide and
>almost every shop in London's Tottenham Court Road!
>
>(2) From page 3 of $Poor Jews: An American Awakening$, Edited by
>Naomi Levine and Martin Hochbaum, published by Transaction Books,
>New Brunswick, New Jersey, (1974).
>
>(3) From page 61 of $The Hasidic Poor In New York City$ by Phyl-
>lis Franck in $Poor Jews...$, Levine and Hochbaum, (ibid).
>
>(4) Orthodox Jews everywhere face special problems: Kosher food
>is more expensive than ordinary supermarket fare; Jewish rever-
>ence for learning, both religious and secular, means that (pri-
>vate) education is more expensive for Jews. Also, Hassidim espe-
>cially have large families, which means more mouths to feed.
>
>(5) It should be noted that Jewish benevolence is by no means
>confined to their co-religionists. Just as there is an embarrass-
>ing plethora of Jewish names in the banking field, so does a
>study of charities, trusts and foundations reveal a galaxy of
>Jewish names.
>
>(6) Pages 213-4, $Economic History of the Jews in England$, by
>Harold Pollins, published by Associated University Presses,
>London, (1982).
>
>(7) Pollins, page 214, (ibid).
>
>(8) Membership of the Zionist Organization of America jumped from
>43,000 in 1940 to 250,000 in 1948, and suffrage rights in the
>World Zionist Congress rose nearly fivefold. Page 222, $Jews and
>Money: The Myths and the Reality$, by Gerald Krefetz, published
>by Ticknor & Fields, New Haven and New York, (1982).
>
>And of course, if it had not been for Jewish capital, the State
>of Israel would never have come into existence in the first
>place.
>
>(9) It should also be noted that some Zionist terrorists were
>trained by the Nazis. Although this is not spoken of today, the
>Nazis formed an alliance with the Zionists soon after they came
>to power. And it was the Zionists, not the Nazis, who made the
>first move. The rationale for this was their common purpose in
>removing the Jews from Europe - the Final Solution.
>
>(10) The violence and terror has not all been on one side, but
>although all terrorism must be condemned, the terror used by
>various Palestinian groups against the Zionists has at least been
>understandable. The PLO resorted to terror in order to attract
>the attention of the world's media. * As soon as they had done
>this they renounced terror. The only Palestinian groups who today
>vow to destroy Israel are a handful of Islamic fanatics who have
>no mainstream support either by the Palestinians or by the rest
>of the Arab world.
>
>* One must bear in mind that the Palestinians do not control the
>$Washington Post$, the $New York Times$ and half the studios in
>Hollywood.
>
>(11) Page 3, $Punishing A Nation: Human Rights Violations During
>The Palestinian Uprising December 1987-December 1988, a report
>prepared by Al-Haq, Law in the Service of Man$, published by
>South End Press, Boston, MA, (1990).
>
>(12) Amnesty International Press Release, embargoed for 27 May
>1993.
>
>
>
>
>Published by Anglo-Hebrew Publishing,
>BCM Box 2293,
>BCM - Mono,
>London WC1N 3XX.
>England.
>
>
>ISBN 1 898318 55 7
>
>First published 1993
>
>--
>Alexander Baron
>
>"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who
dare
>not is a slave." - W. Drummond
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In <41hpql$1lb@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> a2ce3wog@ix.netcom.com (T.
Maczuga Kaus (ind. cat3wog) ) writes:
>
>In <41hlt4$emk@newsbf02.news.aol.com> widmann@aol.com (Widmann)
writes:
>
>>
>>American Revisionist Jailed by Thought-police.
>>
>[snipped see: 38736 alt.revisionism
>>
>>Schmidt is known as the President of GANPAC, a political action
>committee which represents the interests of Germans and Americans of
>German descent living in the United States. In the past, Schmidt has
>been outspoken in his views on the rehabilitation of the German
>soldiers' image.
>
>[snipped see 38736 alt.revisionism]
>>
>>Schmidt has been sent to a prison in Schweirn. He is being
>represented by Hajo Herrmann, the attorney who defended U.S. gas
>chamber expert Fred Leuchter, who was also arrested in Germany for
>thought-crimes.
>
>Isn't his alleged arrest more to do with writing openly: Denying the
>History of the Jewish Holocaust - rather than just thinking about it?
>
>T.
What the ---- difference does that make? Suppression of free speech is
an attempt to suppress free thought as well.
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In <41jau9$d7h@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM> fiddler@Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix)
writes:
>
>> Ronald Schoenberg writes:
>> >
>> >Whatever it means for criminals, guns in the hands of the people is
going
>> >to mean a lot more dead and wounded people.
>
>This would explain the huge rate of crimes committed by those in
Florida
>who have obtained concealed carry permits.
>
>It currently stands at 18 out of 240,000 permit holders.
>
>Well, 18 permits have been revoked...essentially none of them for
>reasons that involved discharge of the weapon.
>
Gun control is slavery.
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In <41jb38$d7h@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM> fiddler@Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix)
writes:
>
>In article 0008D1AF@um.cc.umich.edu, tom_delosh@um.cc.umich.edu (Tom
DeLosh) writes:
>> Ronald Schoenberg writes:
>> [..]
>> >Whatever it means for criminals, guns in the hands of the people is
going
>> >to mean a lot more dead and wounded people.
>>
>> Why all of a sudden? The US has been pretty much saturated with
>> guns for as long as any of us has been alive. Have you been shot?
>> Me neither.
>
>It turns out that the fraction of gun-related homicides have remained
>constant since at least the 1920's: about 70%, give or take.
>
>Note that non-gun homicide rates have gone up or down along with the
>with-gun rates during all of that time: something other than gun
>availability, numbers, etc. must be responsible for changes in the
>rate of violent crime.
>
True.
Gun control is slavery.
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In "Christian D.
Lyman" writes:
>
>On Thu, 24 Aug 1995, veiledningen wrote:
>
>> Hello, I think every kid should get their own gun. If
>> 5 years old children learn how to use a Uzi or
>> something similair, they learn respect for guns, and
>> therefor don4t abuse guns as their parents.
>
>Somehow I get the feeling you might be just a tad sarcastic? :-)
>Of course children should not have access to guns. However, the people
of
>the US are not children--or is this what you are trying to imply?
Yes, that precisely IS what veiledningen is trying to imply. That is
what all gun controllers try to imply.
>I am guessing that you are from Norway based on your address, but I
could
>be wrong. If not, please realize that we in the US have a very
different
>political history and many of us have a different philosophy of the
>proper role of government. We do not wish to impose our views on you,
>and we respect the differences between ourselves--the same differences
that
>make this world interesting. Try to do the same, eh?
>chris
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Subject: Re: A Clockwork Orange
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In richie@netcom.com (Richard Collins)
writes:
>
>whitehouse (woolyfish@delphi.com) wrote:
>:
>: There is nothing but ultra-violence...I love it!
>: The soundtrack is AWESOME, if you like Ludwig Von...
>: A Clockwork Orange is one of the few movies I actually
>: own! (Did you know BUYING Romper Stomper is 80 fucking
>: bucks?)
>:
>: The Other Jenn
>: Woolyfish
>
>Why the hell would you want to own that movie ? It wasn't that good
Yes, it was.
...
>--
>
>
>-Richie-
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
>" A black skinhead ? What do you do beat yourself up ? "
> -Said to me by yet another clueless human.
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: Richie, Richie, Richie... (was: HIPPIES, HYPOCRITES AND RACISM)
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In <41ijft$9qe@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> sstamp@kelvin.physics.mun.ca (Cliff
Stamp) writes:
>
>
>In article , richie@netcom.com (Richard
Collins) writes:
>|>
>|>: Jenn Starkman (jstarkma@chat.carleton.ca) writes:
>|>: > Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
>|>
>|>: > Lester, sweet-pea, if you can quote *any* part of *any* of my
>|>: > followups to this thread where I stated that there was no
bigotry or
>|>: > prejudice inherent in hating hippies, I might consider getting
back
>|>: > into this debate.
>|>
>|>: Your virulent denial that there was anything similar to being a
racist in
>|>: your prejudicial behaviour.
>|>:
>|>Well Lester there is a difference between being a racist and being
>|>prejudiced because of non racial factors. That is the point boy!
>|>
>|>The only similarity is the fact that some group is recieving
>|>prejudgement, the basis of this hatred is completly different.
>|>
>
>Not really, the basis for the hatred is the same, you assume a
>collective standard for individuals, and make judgements on that. Now
>what is most important is if those standards are true and merit hate.
>
>For example if I was to hate all Eskimo's on the basis of all Eskimo's
>being fat, and me hating fat people. My standard would have a factual
>basis but is hardly merit for hate. As is smelling funny, annoying
music
>etc
>
>More important is what you mean by hate, who you ignore hippies in
need
>of help, would you if you could rid the world of them?
>
>Hate is a very strong word, "intense hostility", would you want to
hurt
>hippies?
>
>I would be surprised if you said so because when I read the top the
list
>I assummed it was meant to be funny and sarcastic and not true hate
list.
>
>|>: Jenn, Jenn, Jenn...
>|>
>|>: I called you a hypocrite because you were wailing long 'n' loud
about
>|>: being likened to a racist because you were a hippie-hater. So SWF
didn't
>|>: use PRECISELY, EXACTLY the word that was appropriate. I'm sure
that she
>|>: realizes her mistake, and won't repeat it. But you, like a
typical
>|>: hair-splitting jew, latched onto THAT and tried to refute here
entire
>|>: argument. Please, I know that you can't resist bending the truth,
but try
>|>: not to be so blatantly misrepresentative - it doesn't help you
any, and it
>|>: creates more "anti-semitism" than your endless pontificating will
ever
>|>: counter.
>|>
>|>You are the sorry soul that can not resist bending the truth. Your
>|>arguements are based on false assumptions and ideas you have about
me.
>|>You know nothing about me Lester so don't bother and tell me what I
think.
>|>I find that you lack good debating skills and your posts are rather
>|>irrelevant and fictious.
>|>
>|>: >> Richie, Richie, Richie...
>|>: >
>|>: >> Being a mulatto, don't you realize that these are many of the
reasons that
>|>: >> racists find minorities to be less-than-attractive?
>|>: >
>|>
>|>I suppose racists would make assumptions about minorites much in the
same
>|>way I do about hippies. This is the basis of prejudice. I however do
not
>|>let one's race play into my emotion. That is the difference between
you
>|>and me. Did I tell you there is a group of people I hate more than
>|>hippies. Yeah it's white supremecists. I won't bother with a top ten
list....
>|>
>|>: > Not really, after all, Richie doesn't smell funny, dress funny,
hate
>|>: > you for any reason other than that you'd have him killed for no
>|>: > particular reason if you could get away with it), need a
haircut, need
>|>: > a bath, need a job, need shoes, take drugs, or inflict awful
music on
>|>: > others.
>|>
>|>: Jenn, whether they're reality or not, they're EXACTLY what is said
about
>|>: minorities. Save your spiel for those who will be impressed by
it.
>|>
>|>I suggest Mr. Griswold you zip you lip until you have a valid point.
>|>
>
>He had a couple, he just got too into being insulting and
condescending
>and they got buried in the crap.
>
>|>: Jenn, save your goo-goo eyes for alt.horny.JAPs
>|>
>
>Like so.
>
>|>C'mon dumbass, you live in the same fucking country and it's not
mine.
>|>How on earth could Jenn be a Jewish AMERICAN Princess ?
>|>
>|>: *yawn* Being anti-hippie (a hippiephobe?) is a "safe" form of
>|>: discrimination, right? I mean, you and Richie can actually engage
in
>|>: hating others, and for now you're safe from any of those odious
labels
>|>: that are immediately slapped on pro-White people!
>|>
>|>Of course we are you goon. Jenn and I are not pro-hate, anti-race.
Call
>|>it whatever you want. Yeah I hate hippies, I fucking can't stand
them.
>|>Not because of their race, creed, color, or religion. Unlike a
>
>Actually creed, and religion are all choices people make, so being
>prejudiced against hippies, is little different than being prejudiced
>against religion.
I totally agree with you on that point, Cliff. E.g., I am FOR
polytheism and, therefore, necessarily AGAINST monotheism.
Because I hold certain theological doctrines to be true I am
necessarily "prejudiced" against those doctrines I hold to be false.
Religion IS a matter of choice, unlike race. Because it deals with the
Ultimate, it is the most important choice one can make.
Therefore, we must think clearly about what theological doctrines we
choose to believe in, rather than be mindlessly prejudiced against
"prejudice", as the allegedly "tolerant" are.
>
>|>"Pro-whitey" like you, I don't judge people on factors beyond their
>|>control. Don't tell me people can't help being hippies, that would
be a
>|>joke. Just like any decision you make to follow a subculture that
>|>decision can be changed, swayed, shifted. My race for example is not
>|>something I choose. I wouldn't have it any other way though. But a
person
>|>like you decides that I am unworthy of your little, little racist
world
>|>and you should therefore fight me, kill me, deport me, whatever....
>
>That is a valid point, but you also have to consider that your hate
>for hippies is easily compared to others hatred for skinheads, often
>seen in the "DIE SKINHEAD FREAKS!!!!" posts.
>
>|>You're hating people for a reason that has nothing to do with their
>|>standing in this world. You probably assume that all blacks are on
>|>welfare and other shit like that, just as I would assume anyone as
dumb
>|>as you must be the offspring of brother and sister. Not knowing each
>|>other it wouldn't be too accurate to make these assumptions. I won't
>|>use anymore space on this NG arguing with you Les it's a waste of
time.
>|>-Richie-
>|>
>|>--------------------------------------------------------------------
-------
>|>" A black skinhead ? What do you do beat yourself up ? "
>|> -Said to me by yet another clueless human.
>
> ^
> |
>
>Funny how he assumed all skinheads were the same now isn't it.
>
>--
> Cliff Stamp
> sstamp@kelvin.physics.mun.ca
>
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Subject: Re: DEBATING THE HOLOCAUST
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In dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
writes:
>
>christopher.saunders@canrem.com (Christopher Saunders) writes:
>
># Why can't we openly debate the holocaust?
>
>We can. Get every "revisionist" to this newsgroup and let's debate.
>Maybe you'll find someone who'll do a better job than the
>miserable Nazi clowns we've seen so far.
>
># It is clear to me that there are TWO sides to the issue:
># the Jewish side and the Revisionist side.
>
>No, you don't understand. It's not the "Jewish side", it's the
>"people who were there side": Jews, Germans, Soviets, Poles,
>Gypsies, Czechs etc.
>
>And there's the "I was never there but I know better than
>everyone side"; that's the "Revisionist side".
>
>The "Revisionist side" is, BTW, composed of neo-Nazis, nut-cases,
>and liars, as is being proved here every day.
I'm proud to be one of those nut-cases.
>
># People like Ernst Zundel, who have alternative views on the
># holocaust,
>
>Ernst Zundel also believes the Nazis built a "secret UFO base"
>in the South Pole.
>
>
>-Danny Keren.
>
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In <41jau9$d7h@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM> fiddler@Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix)
writes:
>
>> Ronald Schoenberg writes:
>> >
>> >Whatever it means for criminals, guns in the hands of the people is
going
>> >to mean a lot more dead and wounded people.
>
>This would explain the huge rate of crimes committed by those in
Florida
>who have obtained concealed carry permits.
>
>It currently stands at 18 out of 240,000 permit holders.
>
>Well, 18 permits have been revoked...essentially none of them for
>reasons that involved discharge of the weapon.
>
Gun control is slavery.
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In <41jb38$d7h@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM> fiddler@Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix)
writes:
>
>In article 0008D1AF@um.cc.umich.edu, tom_delosh@um.cc.umich.edu (Tom
DeLosh) writes:
>> Ronald Schoenberg writes:
>> [..]
>> >Whatever it means for criminals, guns in the hands of the people is
going
>> >to mean a lot more dead and wounded people.
>>
>> Why all of a sudden? The US has been pretty much saturated with
>> guns for as long as any of us has been alive. Have you been shot?
>> Me neither.
>
>It turns out that the fraction of gun-related homicides have remained
>constant since at least the 1920's: about 70%, give or take.
>
>Note that non-gun homicide rates have gone up or down along with the
>with-gun rates during all of that time: something other than gun
>availability, numbers, etc. must be responsible for changes in the
>rate of violent crime.
>
True.
Gun control is slavery.
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In "Christian D.
Lyman" writes:
>
>On Thu, 24 Aug 1995, veiledningen wrote:
>
>> Hello, I think every kid should get their own gun. If
>> 5 years old children learn how to use a Uzi or
>> something similair, they learn respect for guns, and
>> therefor don4t abuse guns as their parents.
>
>Somehow I get the feeling you might be just a tad sarcastic? :-)
>Of course children should not have access to guns. However, the people
of
>the US are not children--or is this what you are trying to imply?
Yes, that precisely IS what veiledningen is trying to imply. That is
what all gun controllers try to imply.
>I am guessing that you are from Norway based on your address, but I
could
>be wrong. If not, please realize that we in the US have a very
different
>political history and many of us have a different philosophy of the
>proper role of government. We do not wish to impose our views on you,
>and we respect the differences between ourselves--the same differences
that
>make this world interesting. Try to do the same, eh?
>chris
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In <41jau9$d7h@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM> fiddler@Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix)
writes:
>
>> Ronald Schoenberg writes:
>> >
>> >Whatever it means for criminals, guns in the hands of the people is
going
>> >to mean a lot more dead and wounded people.
>
>This would explain the huge rate of crimes committed by those in
Florida
>who have obtained concealed carry permits.
>
>It currently stands at 18 out of 240,000 permit holders.
>
>Well, 18 permits have been revoked...essentially none of them for
>reasons that involved discharge of the weapon.
>
Gun control is slavery.
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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson )
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Subject: Re: Guns (was Re: Pat Buchanan)
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In <41jb38$d7h@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM> fiddler@Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix)
writes:
>
>In article 0008D1AF@um.cc.umich.edu, tom_delosh@um.cc.umich.edu (Tom
DeLosh) writes:
>> Ronald Schoenberg writes:
>> [..]
>> >Whatever it means for criminals, guns in the hands of the people is
going
>> >to mean a lot more dead and wounded people.
>>
>> Why all of a sudden? The US has been pretty much saturated with
>> guns for as long as any of us has been alive. Have you been shot?
>> Me neither.
>
>It turns out that the fraction of gun-related homicides have remained
>constant since at least the 1920's: about 70%, give or take.
>
>Note that non-gun homicide rates have gone up or down along with the
>with-gun rates during all of that time: something other than gun
>availability, numbers, etc. must be responsible for changes in the
>rate of violent crime.
>
True.
Gun control is slavery.
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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson )
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Subject: Re: Guns (was Re: Pat Buchanan)
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In "Christian D.
Lyman" writes:
>
>On Thu, 24 Aug 1995, veiledningen wrote:
>
>> Hello, I think every kid should get their own gun. If
>> 5 years old children learn how to use a Uzi or
>> something similair, they learn respect for guns, and
>> therefor don4t abuse guns as their parents.
>
>Somehow I get the feeling you might be just a tad sarcastic? :-)
>Of course children should not have access to guns. However, the people
of
>the US are not children--or is this what you are trying to imply?
Yes, that precisely IS what veiledningen is trying to imply. That is
what all gun controllers try to imply.
>I am guessing that you are from Norway based on your address, but I
could
>be wrong. If not, please realize that we in the US have a very
different
>political history and many of us have a different philosophy of the
>proper role of government. We do not wish to impose our views on you,
>and we respect the differences between ourselves--the same differences
that
>make this world interesting. Try to do the same, eh?
>chris
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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson )
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Subject: Re: Guns (was Re: Pat Buchanan)
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In <41jau9$d7h@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM> fiddler@Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix)
writes:
>
>> Ronald Schoenberg writes:
>> >
>> >Whatever it means for criminals, guns in the hands of the people is
going
>> >to mean a lot more dead and wounded people.
>
>This would explain the huge rate of crimes committed by those in
Florida
>who have obtained concealed carry permits.
>
>It currently stands at 18 out of 240,000 permit holders.
>
>Well, 18 permits have been revoked...essentially none of them for
>reasons that involved discharge of the weapon.
>
Gun control is slavery.
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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson )
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In <41jb38$d7h@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM> fiddler@Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix)
writes:
>
>In article 0008D1AF@um.cc.umich.edu, tom_delosh@um.cc.umich.edu (Tom
DeLosh) writes:
>> Ronald Schoenberg writes:
>> [..]
>> >Whatever it means for criminals, guns in the hands of the people is
going
>> >to mean a lot more dead and wounded people.
>>
>> Why all of a sudden? The US has been pretty much saturated with
>> guns for as long as any of us has been alive. Have you been shot?
>> Me neither.
>
>It turns out that the fraction of gun-related homicides have remained
>constant since at least the 1920's: about 70%, give or take.
>
>Note that non-gun homicide rates have gone up or down along with the
>with-gun rates during all of that time: something other than gun
>availability, numbers, etc. must be responsible for changes in the
>rate of violent crime.
>
True.
Gun control is slavery.
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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson )
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In "Christian D.
Lyman" writes:
>
>On Thu, 24 Aug 1995, veiledningen wrote:
>
>> Hello, I think every kid should get their own gun. If
>> 5 years old children learn how to use a Uzi or
>> something similair, they learn respect for guns, and
>> therefor don4t abuse guns as their parents.
>
>Somehow I get the feeling you might be just a tad sarcastic? :-)
>Of course children should not have access to guns. However, the people
of
>the US are not children--or is this what you are trying to imply?
Yes, that precisely IS what veiledningen is trying to imply. That is
what all gun controllers try to imply.
>I am guessing that you are from Norway based on your address, but I
could
>be wrong. If not, please realize that we in the US have a very
different
>political history and many of us have a different philosophy of the
>proper role of government. We do not wish to impose our views on you,
>and we respect the differences between ourselves--the same differences
that
>make this world interesting. Try to do the same, eh?
>chris
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From: ahall@cs.uml.edu (Andrew Hall)
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>>>>> Steven Malcolm Anderson writes:
Steven> True.
Steven> Gun control is slavery.
While I am no fan of most gun control and oppose all
gun bans, the above is hyperbole and will not help
the cause of freedom.
ah
(Followups set to "talk.politics.misc" where I am posting from.)
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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson )
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In stuckeym@postoffice.ptd.net writes:
>
>name@eawag.ch wrote:
>
>>BEFORE people think about being able to arm everybody, efforts should
be
>>made to eradicate the tremendous social inequalites, make higher
>education free and accessible for everyone, make excellent health=
> care >coverage for everyone society's bottom line, and create
communities in >the true sense of the word,
>
>And we could build our labor camps in Canada, for those individualists
>not willing to conform to our vision. What a great idea, Comrade!
>
>
>
>
Precisely. That is precisely what the gun-banners will do to us
non-conforming individualists if we let them take away our guns. Well
put.
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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson )
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In stuckeym@postoffice.ptd.net writes:
>
>name@eawag.ch wrote:
>
>>BEFORE people think about being able to arm everybody, efforts should
be
>>made to eradicate the tremendous social inequalites, make higher
>education free and accessible for everyone, make excellent health=
> care >coverage for everyone society's bottom line, and create
communities in >the true sense of the word,
>
>And we could build our labor camps in Canada, for those individualists
>not willing to conform to our vision. What a great idea, Comrade!
>
>
>
>
Precisely. That is precisely what the gun-banners will do to us
non-conforming individualists if we let them take away our guns. Well
put.

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