No what entitled is, is demanding those that pay the bills wait behind those that benefit off of them. LFR pays for the other modes, it's the mode that with out it, you donn't get the raid content. Period.

You get better loot.

Mounts.

Titles.

I think that's more then enough for our special snowflakes. All modes should come out at the same times. If you want to gate lfr, then gate the other modes with it. LFR raiders are treated like second class citizens by Blizzard. So people really should vote with their wallet and unsub. It's the only real message Blizzard will get. As much as Blizzard and the heroic crowd want to believe the game revolves around them, it would come to a sudden and quick halt without the casuals paying the bills.

Grow up. You are just a whiny vocal minority. LFR heroes do not pay the bills. The majority of players DON'T EVEN RAID. They don't even set food in LFR. If all the LFR heroes left it wouldn't matter one bit. The game existed fine before LFR and it would exist fine, imo better if it were removed. We're not even asking that here, we're asking that you crybabies stfu and wait to down the end boss like the rest of us.

Meh as someone said earlier "oh i guess it looks like I will be only re-subbing on the 22th of October". Blizzard already said Gating was added to LFR because Raiders in raiding keep saying they are forced to do lfr.

Yes, for that reason, and so the content patch lasts more than a few hours, and because if you released 14 LFR bosses all at once before raiding guilds had a chance to see them and learn the fights LFR would be a nightmare of clueless people yelling at each other about strats they don't understand. Gating allows the patch to last a bit longer, prevents raiding guilds from feeling compelled to run LFR for gear upgrades if they don't want to, and means when the bosses are up at least some of the people in the group will know what to do and can guide others through the process.

Grow up. You are just a whiny vocal minority. LFR heroes do not pay the bills. The majority of players DON'T EVEN RAID. They don't even set food in LFR. If all the LFR heroes left it wouldn't matter one bit. The game existed fine before LFR and it would exist fine, imo better if it were removed. We're not even asking that here, we're asking that you crybabies stfu and wait to down the end boss like the rest of us.

Maybe you should grow and read what Blizzard has said. They have said that lfr is what allows them to do the other modes, without it there would not be enough people raiding to justify doing it. So maybe you should stfu and quit being such a special snowflake that things the game revolves around the small amount of people doing normal and above content. If the lfr crowd left the game, it would be noticed, if the people doing normal and heroic did, it would not.

Maybe you should grow and read what Blizzard has said. They have said that lfr is what allows them to do the other modes, without it there would not be enough people raiding to justify doing it. So maybe you should stfu and quit being such a special snowflake that things the game revolves around the small amount of people doing normal and above content. If the lfr crowd left the game, it would be noticed, if the people doing normal and heroic did, it would not.

Yeah I remember before LFR there were was no such thing as raiding because there weren't LFR people around to pay the bills. *rolls eyes*

Yeah I remember before LFR there were was no such thing as raiding because there weren't LFR people around to pay the bills. *rolls eyes*

Before lfr raiding was on the verge of going extinct. Less and less people were doing it and it was becoming harder and harder to justify the cost of development. Blizzard has said that over and over again but for some reason, some people refuse to listen. LFR is what has allowed them to both tune the content harder then it was in the past and allow them to justify putting the resources towards raiding they have.

Before lfr raiding was on the verge of going extinct. Less and less people were doing it and it was becoming harder and harder to justify the cost of development. Blizzard has said that over and over again but for some reason, some people refuse to listen. LFR is what has allowed them to both tune the content harder then it was in the past and allow them to justify putting the resources towards raiding they have.

Hey donn't take my word for it,Blizzard has said it themselves several times. Maybe you should go look up it if your not too busy being one of the special ed snowflakes that has just a blind hatred towards lfr.

LFR raider here, and I think Blizzard are right to gate the availability of the lower difficulty of raid tiers.

Personally I think Blizzard have been too lenient with the timing, and would have prefered the following set up:

Day 1: Only heroic mode raid is available.

Once a boss is killed on heroic it then becomes available on normal mode.
Likewise a normal mode kill makes the boss available to flex mode, and a flex mode boss kill makes the boss available to LFR players.

I think it would be a good way to bring realm communities back to life, as everyone would be supporting/watching the leading heroic guilds on their realm, and it may even foster a spirit of competition between realms. I would even go so far as to add a spectator mode to raids, getting everybody interested in realm progress.

Day 31: All remaining bosses become available to all levels of difficulty.

You're lucky you even get to see the raid. You should be thankful for what you have.

And Blizzard is lucky to be getting our $15/month. Funny how that "luck" thing works, isn't it?

BTW, I have no problem with the delayed opening of LFR. If I wanted to, I could let my sub lapse for a few weeks (it expires in two days), but I doubt I'll do that. And if players aren't going to be doing that, they didn't really need an immediate LFR opening.

Blizzard might want to consider the consequences of mechanisms that increase the gear gap between LFR and normal raiders, though. In particular, that gap makes it less likely for LFR raiders to move up to Flex.

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"There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
"Almost every time I have gotten to know a critic personally, they keep up with the criticism but lose the venom." -- Ghostcrawler
I hate these casual Fridays ruining it for real Fridays.

I remember once some 15 years ago i bought a game for my nintendo.
After a while i realized i could not finish the game by afking in Super easy mode setting. Atleast not withing the first hour.
Confused and infuriated i demanded my money back, if i payd for it it should cater to my need to finsh it instantly without any effort.

I remember once some 15 years ago i bought a game for my nintendo.
After a while i realized i could not finish the game by afking in Super easy mode setting. Atleast not withing the first hour.
Confused and infuriated i demanded my money back, if i payd for it it should cater to my need to finsh it instantly without any effort.

You may have noticed console games have gotten easier over the years. That's because of feedback from consumer behavior, the games they did and did not buy. Not quite at the level of the parody you gave there, but differing only in degree, not kind.

"There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
"Almost every time I have gotten to know a critic personally, they keep up with the criticism but lose the venom." -- Ghostcrawler
I hate these casual Fridays ruining it for real Fridays.

That's true for WoTLK. At that time we had pugs. We also had a 10 and 25 man model that were a different lvl of difficulty. At the point lfr came, tier 13, raiding was in a very steep decline and it was becoming harder and harder to justify the resources being devoted to it. Blizzard has said several times, that lfr is what allows them to justify the resources going towards raiding. Without lfr the trend line for those raiding would be down down down, as it is for both normal and heroic, far too little people raid anything but lfr to justify the resources towards raiding.

Please stop spreading your ignorance and lfr hatred. The part of the game you enjoy (raiding) would be getting a lot less resources if it wasn't for it.

I remember once some 15 years ago i bought a game for my nintendo.
After a while i realized i could not finish the game by afking in Super easy mode setting. Atleast not withing the first hour.
Confused and infuriated i demanded my money back, if i payd for it it should cater to my need to finsh it instantly without any effort.

Please stop spreading your ignorance and lfr hatred. The part of the game you enjoy (raiding) would be getting a lot less resources if it wasn't for it.

Ignorance of what ? It like showing the moon and you just look my finger. I don't care about 10 man crap and flex and lfr, all of these are the BAD decisions of incompetent arse.

Part of the game I enjoyed was back, in Vanilla, Aldrassil, casting my first Wrath then spending a whole week in Teldrassil for pleasure. Nowadays, you can level 60 in 2 days easily and you won't even remembered your first step in.

I would prefer different servers for differents gamers, like HM servers, normal mode servers and beginners. Two servers migrations at 0 $ per year.

" A lot less ressources "

The best ressource is what you call "" Elitists "" players, without serious gamers the game would be a F2P quality and even look at the PvP state... worst ever and ever....

And ressources for what... to delete all the 5 man elite quest, to delete all the epicness of Dungeons, to delete all the 25 mans guild leading to dead servers ?

A SERVER IS DEAD WHEN there is no 25 man guild.... so your " A lot of ressources " is pretty DUMB ( insert rage and infracted leading to a BAN here ) !!

You for sure have never looked a PTR forum.... It is what Devs are, a whole fucking MESS. You don't know anything about WoW and the design issues.

GC : We try very hard not to monkey around with things just for the sake of changing, but it's easy to play the "I didn't see feedback on X, therefore there wasn't feedback on X" card.

The ultimate feminist move, liberating all the women from the penis, will be EXCISION.

Put it this way: I see you have a big collection of pets, and I can only imagine that some required some effort to get. How would you feel if Blizz suddenly decides that others who don't have time to farm pets should have them too and everytime I log in I get a rare pet handed by mail. Would you concratulate me for "my effort" of logging in? Would you be happy with Blizzard and feel that this is the right decision to hand out the rare pets, which some took you weeks or months to farm, like hotdogs at a baseball game?

I don't want to take any content from anyone. I just want that everyone has to put in the same effort for the same reward. That's all.

mikepreach is a moron. It takes EFFORT to kill the boss 25 people cant afk trough lfr

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Originally Posted by Ryva

I pay much more then the typical LFR hero, much much more, with staying subbed for so long, server transes, faction and race changes. So I pay the bill for LFR!

LOL where are you getting this data at on people who run lfr?

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Originally Posted by Shudder

Grow up. You are just a whiny vocal minority. LFR heroes do not pay the bills. The majority of players DON'T EVEN RAID. They don't even set food in LFR. If all the LFR heroes left it wouldn't matter one bit. The game existed fine before LFR and it would exist fine, imo better if it were removed. We're not even asking that here, we're asking that you crybabies stfu and wait to down the end boss like the rest of us.

mikepreach is a moron. It takes EFFORT to kill the boss 25 people cant afk trough lfr

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LOL where are you getting this data at on people who run lfr?

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Bullshit. GC even said more people raid than ever now because of lfr.

No it doesn't take 25 people to kill a boss in Lfr, it takes 25 people to get in with less then half carrying the group. GL not getting 5+ stacks of determination without normal and HC players bringing in their mains and alts cause its all going to flex now that legendary is not tied to farming the raid. Even the good Lfr raiders who don't have the time for scheduled raiding will leave once they realize they can PUG easy and have some more fun. PUGs are a lost art on most servers and flex will bring it back