Yeah, I can see now how the first post was ambiguous, sorry about that.

Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

As anyone watching England's 2nd test versus the Windies will now know, the incumbent home captain has just registered his twenty-first test ton, moving him to outright fourth on the England all time list, just one behind the joint record holders, Messrs Hammond, Cowdrey & Boycott.

Unless you're somehow implying one or more of the contenders is somehow not English? It's odd because you'd think someone might've mentioned that before, but I don't think anyone has.

"The PFA does not represent players when they have broken the law and been convicted on non-football matters."- Gordon Taylor in 2009 following Marlon King's release after a prison sentence for sexual assault & ABH

I think we lose with any feasible outcome, only because, without the hyperbole this time, I don't think any of the bats on the fringes can stand up and fill KP's boots. But what you say is pretty realistic as well. So, yeah, it looks grim.

Grimmest it's looked since the beginning of 09 anyway and things worked out okay that time I suppose.

I think we lose with any feasible outcome, only because, without the hyperbole this time, I don't think any of the bats on the fringes can stand up and fill KP's boots. But what you say is pretty realistic as well. So, yeah, it looks grim.

Grimmest it's looked since the beginning of 09 anyway and things worked out okay that time I suppose.

That's the thing though isn't it, I loved Freddie, but we did better without him. Flower has made us a disciplinarian unit, and in the end, ATM I see us better in the long run without KP than with him.