Posted 3 years ago on Dec. 16, 2012, 12:25 a.m. EST by yezklid
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don't get it. i think you need to come up with a goal before you just go out and protest. I would like to see an idea, what it is you are about. What is it you want? Can you tell me how we going to travel in a hundered years? what kind of democracy do we want. If you don't have a good plan, how you going to do any better job running the country than the wall street crooks?

You are not very well informed! A troop of chimps who live in Keithville,Louisiana are now being endorsed to replace The Masters of the Universe by both #OWS and The Tea Party because they are apparently the most competant,non-corrupt group currently available to take over management of the global economy.

As far as an alternative to the corrupt banking institutions and corrupt monetary policy, an outline in HR 2990, the NEED Act by Dennis Kucinich, is a great start. We also need to jail bankers that are stealing and committing fraud instead of just fining the bank and completely letting them off the hook.

We need a government not sponsored by Wall Street and big money from corporations. A constitutional amendment is needed for that.

because we are going to change the values and priorities of the people running wallstreet. they are all going to learn to become positive impacts . i just dont know if they have the ability to think at the depth required to comprehend that.

you don't get it? course you don't. you are a libertard. you stopped using your brain in the 8th grade. the only people who say things like you are those who go out of their way to ignore reality. only a fucking moron doesn't know what we want. but in case you are that fucking moron. let me be very fucking clear. WE WANT IT ALL AND WE WILL GET IT, is that clear enough for you? do you know what we want now?

so consumerism rules, you are a dirt bag hitler lover go back to your little hole in the ground and make love to yourself you crack whore. your dreaming of yourself as supreme ruler agian. your a waste of breath you dweeb

Can we vote electronically? I don't need a representative talking for me. Why can't I vote on what happens 24-7? Set up a voice for the people. We can all vote on the issues ourselves. We needed representatives when it took three months to get a letter from California to New York. Now we we have instant communications. Let the best ideas for the future be generated from and by the people.

we can vote "here" on anything -
and it will have no effect on anything anywhere

If you want to have direct voting on national issues , you will need a constitutional amendment voted on by 2/3 of the house & senate & 3/4 of the states.
do you have any PROOF that direct voting is supported by at least a simple majority of Americans

Do you actually have the time to research every piece of legislation that would be put up for a vote? Or would you just end up voting for or against something because others say to do so? Would you have the time to actually draft, comment, re-draft legislation that would understood by all those that would vote? Who would control the proposed legislations put forward? Who would verify the voting? How would aersonal put forward legilative ideas and to whom would it be directed to? Who would control the thousands of proposals that would be placed on the Internet mechanism? No one has that kind of time. You are assuming a fully educated electorate, that understands what they are voting on, and has understanding of constitutional law and rights, etc. so that legislation would actually have merit.

theres a good job for the elected officials find out what the people suggest then see if it is a constitutional idea. Maybe the healthcare worker has a better idea how to fix a problem in that field and so on.

We already can suggest any idea to our reps. Your not answering the questions I asked. You are suggesting that we do not need the reps. Then you are saying lets use them to review ideas. Please answer what I asked so we can discuss.

Well I get it. What I can tell you is that there is no problem that in a few hours a group of regular people can not figure out how overcome. Every big job even something like putting a man on the moon is really just a series of dependent small jobs. The Apollo Saturn Five rocket which my grandfather helped build is just a series of parts that were assembled by human hands. The organization of such an project is really just a matter of clearly stated goals, effective delegation of design of the sub assemblies, and scheduling of the assembly at a single location. It all had to leave from one place.
Too much of what took place at the Occupy movement was people who were participating for reasons of personal ego. Personal ego has been the downfall of many politicians and it will prevent the Occupy movement from progressing at all. To a great extent the very principle of democracy is to oppose the personal egotism inherent to monarchy where rule is capricious arbitrary and dictatorial.
I do not for a moment come to the Occupy movement with preconceived notions of what we need to do, I believe that we must decide that together democratically. Occupy is a clear response to the failure of our system of government that I for one would not call a true democracy.
Think of the first steps of the Occupy movement as just the dress rehearsal or maybe just the first reading of a greater drama that will someday unfold.

We have to have some kind of social structure or we go back to one man rule. I like what our country is based on and I will live it to the day I die, wish everyone else would. It is one basic idea. You have the freedom to do, say, believe anything you want, as long as you are not impeding anyone elses right to freedom.

thats right. the ones that run this current social structure.. a practically perfect structure,, have become corrupted by innate desire to possess to control. yes it is ok to desire to possess and control ,, but you cant have everything,, you cant take all that there is. that is what has to change.. not the structure itself

By good idea you mean working for some goal? What is that goal?
yes i would
I always imagine the future as a clean, free society unaccustomed to crimes against humanity. How do we get there? How will we live, travel, and socialize? What can we do as activist to help create a comfortable world.

I am a visionary, musician, song writer. I have been playing for some years now. I write some political songs, sometimes funny. This is a line from one of my songs "To many politicians buying fancy stuff for their hair". If what you want is to create opertunity for all i would be in.

their goal is to abolish capitalism. Easy as that. They believe that they can formulate a society where a person can only earn a certain amount and the remainder should be taxed to take care of those who cannot or will not take care of themselves.

where one who's family "plays by all the rules" and sees a little net worth of , after toiling for 26 years, with little savings, and is stuck in the same job for life, for fear, could be a thing of the past.

those might be conditions on which questioning "the system" may be a positive attribute.

and clinging to past myths and slogans is a sham

-you can reform capitalism, and put protections for the middle class, and lower class, a viable safety net, and minimal standards for family income in a cooperative versus a competitive society,

and yes, put limits on excesses of wealth, as a vice that is avarice, greed, a deadly sin, and not sustainable or beneficial to the common good.

I would choose to keep an incentive system, with tweaks.

and for people who choose to keep their head in the sand, you choose to fan the flames of the past and future end of our democracy

Can we vote electronically? I don't need a representative talking for me. Why can't I vote on what happens 24-7? Set up a voice for the people. We can all vote on the issues ourselves. We needed representatives when it took three months to get a letter from California to New York. Now we we have instant communications. Let the best ideas for the future be generated from and by the people.