My average fight went from 1200+ CBD per fight to ~300CBD per fight. This is way more than a 20% reduction and it's noticeable...

I don't feel like eating this reduction so other players can get multiple free rares, while I get nothing at all. I buy full BA almost every day, and Fight almost ALL of my natural BA (depending on if I wake up in the mornings) and have gotten no drop, and just a bad taste in my mouth from these garbage rewards.

Even during the wacky money times I think I peaked at around 1,000 CBD a fight...

Not to mention this change is a huge blow to NCB characters. My BA costs almost 800,000 EVERY DAY!!!! yet it takes almost 4 days worth of BA to make this much... over 4,000 CBD to purchase a single BA... Now when you were making over 1,000 a fight this was reasonable... but with 300 a fight I fear the cost of running an NCB has tripled easy.

Sure one could argue that if I was getting drops from fighting that I wouldn't have such a bitter taste in my mouth. But I could also argue that I'm fighting three times as many battles as people who have gotten two or even three drops while I continue to stand here like a flood victim.

Don't punish the masses to reward the 'lucky'. I like the idea of random drops from fighting, but not at it's current cost.

Before and after a burn of 326 BA, 192 purchased at the cost of 783,168

Average fight reward: 505.861

So to fight enough battles to purchase a single day of BA (192) it would cost 1550 BA. With 648 natural BA every day (Assuming my math is right at 27 BA per hour*24 hours (in the 8/20 regen rate)) You would have to fight for 2.39 days without missing a single BA to afford a single day's worth of BA with the current numbers.

Assuming you are purchasing full BA every day, it would cost you 5,482,176 BA a week. With the current rewards, if you were fighting 100% of your natural and purchased BA (4,536 a week natural and 1344 purchased) that's 5880 BA a week at $505 per fight, you are making roughly 2,969,400 per week from cash rewards.

That means if you are fighting 100% of your natural BA and purchasing full BA every day, you are losing $2,512,776 CBD every week. or 10,051,104 per month, or roughly 60 million throughout the NCB run.

To put that into perspective, that's 60 million essentially *POOF* gone and that's your BEST OUTCOME!

Likely this is much worse, considering most people will NOT fight 100% of their natural BA for 6 months straight, (Although DoS might become the exception to that) so you are looking at a much more grim outcome the more BA you miss.

This also doesn't take into account the lower fight rewards when you first start, but I feel it evens out during that 'golden time' you are fighting at 100% challenge bonus and making extra rewards. It all evens out though considering as you grow larger your rewards shrink almost linearly.

Considering most NCBs fall under the 4m mark, that would make a character over 4m MPR worth between 60 and 100 million CBD.

I think your math is off or something. First i highly doubt you were averaging 1200 cbd a fight, in fact im certain you were not. I am getting 100% CB bonus and NUB and clan bonus and I was getting an average of about 1k per fight pre-nerf, now i get about 800 on avg with all bonuses.

I think we should just give the change a little longer. Think of it this way, say you find a rare once a month and it's worth on avg. 2mil CB. In a 6month run that takes the 60mil cost down to 48mil. Im sure theres a high chance you will get more then 1 rare per month as well. Give it time.

The % to reduction of CBD as well as the cost of NCB BA should be readjusted to fit the change to keep from gouging the progress of N*Bs. For the rest of the community I feel the costs should be reduced to fit the change so that the challenge is still there but the cost of it is not so steep for the thrill of looking for the drop.

I'm over his MPR, as I was getting around $1300-1400 before the rare drop change. I also have the NUB bonus, so Jir getting that much without NUB seems highly unlikely. I now get about $800-900 on average/fight I believe. Not too sure on that though.

Please don't tell me how unlikely my rewards are due to your own rewards lacking. I've stared at over 36,000 fights in the last month and a half or whatever and with all due respect, I think I know my own averages.

I'm not trying to argue with anyone over rewards. I'm trying to get an oversight corrected as I doubt the ramifications of this change regarding the NCB were taken into consideration.

NUB has no place in this thread for the simple fact that NUBs do not pay for BA. (which is still completely mind-boggling unfair in my eyes)

So the bottom line, is this change is a huge in-direct nerf to the NCB and I'm more or less looking for a higher power (being Jon/NS) to respond.

I think the NCB BA cost should be lowered by the same % that our rewards were lowered if not more. BA was insanely expensive before the nerf bat smacked our CBD rewards in the face. Now it's just downright ugly for us NCB players.

I agree he's being a little overdramatic. But Artemis, you shouldn't really be saying anything. Of course you like the change. You're one of the few who has benefited while everyone else saw a reduction in their rewards. But how long do you think your luck will hold up? If you don't get another drop in 6 months how will you feel about this change?

Just because someone disgrees with you doesn't make them trolling... For the record.

A) It's been a week. Every study about averages needs a HUGE sample size. You, Jir, DO NOT have a huge sample size. Wait one whole month. If you've still gotten nothing, then maybe you'll have something here.

B) If you won't wait a month, wait until the end of changemonth. Complaining about changes during change month before it's over (especially to the degree people are complaining about this) is absolutely ridiculous.

C) You all need to stop pretending you KNOW your average CB rewards pre-nerf. There was no reason to suspect a change was coming and I've never heard of a CB player keeping 100% accurate records of their fight rewards. The fact you claim to have seen a 75% decrease to your CB while everyone else (even those who hate the change) are showing much closer to 20% reduction proves that your argument has little merit.

D) I've never gotten an item. I don't care, but I haven't got one (and I burned roughly 500 BA while ALL the AoJs were still in the pool. Nothing. I'm not crying my eyes out over it)

E) Last point. I've already made a thread about perhaps the cash sinks in the game being too high. I got basically no responses. Which leads me to believe: 1) You just like to complain but don't want to do anything about it unless you can get attention, 2) The change's impact on the game has been blown hugely out of proportion.

I like you. I like a lot of the people who are WHINING about this change. But y'all need to chill. I acted like an idiot during some of the changes, but at least I realized it. Take it from me. You'll feel dumb and childish later if you continue to simply rant. Either do something constructive, or sit in your corner.

But really posting a link to Whine and Cheese is not productive in this thread.

If you think the change is good, say why. But to post as you did on your first try in this thread is trolling in the greatest degree.

A post designed to do nothing more than stir the pot up.

And I do respect you, a lot. Just being truthful.

However, it has been a week. A nice sample size given some have fought over 3000 BA without nada. Do we have to go through this loss of income for a month, or 2 or 3 before we all are content this change is not good?

And Jir full well knows his rewards before the nerf. As do I and others who see a noticeable drop in our rewards.

I don't think the change is all that bad. It buffs vets by decreasing the amount of money now going into the economy so now all the millions you have saved up over the years whether in armor or cash or what ever is worth more. Also buffs vets in the sense they play the game more (generally) so they have higher chances of actually getting an item. It buffs characters worth in a sense because now making a 4 million NCB costs a lot more so people will be less interested in selling their characters. It nerfs USD users, now people have less spare money to sell (unless they are USD farmers) and so prices will go up and less people will want to spend USD for CB. And also it is a mini buff for forgers, so long people are still willing to pay 7X% of an item. So in the end it seems like we have.....Buff for vets, another buff for vets, character attachment, nerf on USD, and a very tiny buff for forgers (since they can't get an item). All things people seem to have been complaining about and wanting fixes for. The only thing I don't like about the change is it slightly nerfs clans since now we don't get that 10-15% chance of getting an item where as it does work with cash.

GW, I'm pretty sure I didn't call him a troll because he disagrees with me. I am, however, pretty sure I called him a troll because his reply to Jiraiya's criticism of the change was "whaaburger and frenchcries."

Dude by my rough calculations, it would be very close for me with a high clan bonus and hitting all my BA. It costs me about 1.72 mill to buy 2 sets of BA. Over six days if I make about 600 cbd per fight I'd get 1.56 mill. So it all depends if I spend any BA during bonus money time and if I can make up 200k on Sunday.

there are many factors to it which is why i was kind of hoping for someone to post a yes or no from experience rather than from prediction.

if someone is willing to test it i guess just note how much money you have at a specific server time, only buy ba during the bonus xp times and try to document any other money spent or gained through other means than rewards. a week later see if you had a net gain or loss.

Went from 1200-1300 average to about 800.
Sure, this is only a week sample size, but it definitely shows this is not a mere ''20%'' decrease. I am losing nearly 1/3 of my cash for no reason, without getting anything in return cause I have yet to find an item.

well done Jir.
you alienate the people with drops and "argue" that their opinion is not important at all in this thread, and you reject any NUB contributing an opinion because their BA is free? I guess you are the dictator of CB and only your word matters. Make your own game.

Hardly, just alienating a troll. Anything else he may be is a distraction.

There are people who contribute something to the conversation either way (meaning for or against).

Then there are those who troll, bringing nothing to the conversation AT ALL besides animosity among peers.

My post is in regards to something that is effecting my growth and investment in the game. So it's only obvious I'm going to be vocal about it. I happen to care about being slighted out of millions and millions of CBD...

So I have a reason to post, and I'm bringing factual information to my side of the "argument". Where as a few people who we all know, bring absolutely nothing to the conversation at all. For either side (for or against).

So I say again, if you have nothing of consequence to add to the topic; please stop posting because as this is a topic I created I have no desire to read people trolling and arguing about things off topic.

If you want to make an ass of yourself feel free to make your own topic to argue moot points with other like minded sheeple. I suggest you call it: "Middleschool".

First off the OP (original poster) has every right to request that people stay on topic in his thread.

In fact, If I was Jir, I would put in a request to an Admin to have those off-topic replies deleted and the people fined for multiple off topic posts, but that is just me. If you aren't going to contribute to the topic with a reasonable post more than 3-5 words, then you shouldn't even bother.

Lastly, yes GW, I always watch my cash/xp rewards from fights. I have the battles turned off so I know my highs and lows from fights.

Say what you want to about it, but I am telling you that before the change, I used to get (note, not average) a max of around $1,200 cbd, now I am stuck just below $800 and have not broke that amount, yet.

Even though there are serious areas in the game that are unbalanced, and almost all of the community admits it. And these areas are still unbalanced after years without change.

I am sorry you do not like Jir's post, however, the first negative comment was not a constructive one but a link to something that was very negative towards him as someone posting.

I am sorry you are choosing to leave CB but the community has been as it always has been. People agreeing and disagreeing on things.

Some, like myself, a bit more passionate about things than others.

This change hardly effects me. I can certainly afford to buy CB if I need it. However, this change, so far, is bad for the community. It has been over a week now and people are quite behind what they normally had in money. With the fixed costs unchanged.

Prices will go down on rares, so money earned from drops will decline.

If there was to be a money sink or lowering of money, great. But the fixed costs of playing need to be adjusted as well.

Again, now I am typing as someone who has received a gift from the gods. And still I dislike this change.

This is not a reflection on NS or Jon, contrary to how they may feel. But all things are not home runs. Not all experiments work. This is one that is failing.

But some things are indeed home runs. Like the junction change. I loved that change.

I would, however, like to see fixes to current problems in the game. NS did a fantastic job last month in bug fixes. But now, we need fixes to things that are obviously wrong, starting with the exbow. But it is discouraging to me to see this lottery enacted, while something that has been broken for 2 years persist.

So if you need to leave, then leave. But do NOT blame the community for you doing so.

i love the idea of rare drops and have been a proponent of that for a long time, since battle faeries actually which is where i heard about this game.

with that being said, the reward reduction was a surprise but i probably shouldn't have been surprised by it.

i do think it is a worthy experiment to see if player retention improves. i just hope that someone is tracking all of the numbers and adjusts things accordingly either by making all rares drops, tweaking rewards or both.

i still really wish i had some historical data regarding liquid assets as well as total assets. did lammy post those in his eco reports?

Ranger, being excited about getting a drop and liking the change are two completely different things, or because of your hatred for the change are you not seeing clearly. You are vehemently against this change, yet I'm sure you yourself were happy with the EGs you got.(by happy I don't mean the way you got them, but the fact that you actually got a drop finally, don't try to skew this statement) The most I ever said was that the change wasn't terrible. That in no way implies that I think it's good, there are a lot of things in this game that I think could use a revamp, but are in no way terrible, so sorry, no 250k for Jir.

Now, why is everyone complaining so much. Is this something that affects just tanks, just archers, just mages, no. I mean I know it hurts tanks a *little* more, but not insanely bad. What happened to all the other things you had to complain about? What happened to rolling bonuses, exbow and GA. Those have been around for years, you've had time to develop an opinion on them. Give this new change time. The idea that you guys can be so against this new change barely a week in to it is ludicrous. I mean, sometimes I think you should just be happy that CB exists.

I havent gotten a drop... I would just like to say this... 20% is probably base rewards...
I like this change... But... 20% might or might not be a good number... Only time will tell...
And i agree that the buying cost of ba should be reduced...
So can you people please tone down the doom and gloom stuff?

I need my CBD back or I will never be able to compete with the other USD people I am competing with. And it's not cool. Please give us back our money, Jon. I have spent so much ba and gotten nothing I don't like the change. It is affecting the growth of my ncb.

I am YOUNGER than the lot of you whiny bunch, i haven't got anything and I DON'T CARE!
If it is affecting your NCB, START AGAIN! Think of a better way to deal with things instead of complaining, this game is free and if you don't like what is happening either start paying Jon a wage or leave.

"I mean I know it hurts tanks a *little* more, but not insanely bad. "

What? Okay, I can sort of se-- No, What?

It hurts tanks a *little* bit more? Am I missing something blazingly obvious or is that statement just insane?

Having played mages since CB2 started, I know that they don't require much money to keep going happily. I just started a tank recently and I was already having money trouble before this change made the decision between BA and Bow *so* much more difficult.

I haven't anywhere said this is a bad change, but... I just started an NCB tank. This change hurts me a lot, and I haven't had any drop therapy to ease up on the pain.

Well then you just proved that I'm more experienced with tanks than you, as I have been running one for over a year. Yes, it is common knowledge that mages are cheaper than tanks, this is the way it has always been, and probably will always be. The point that I was putting across was that this hurt tanks a little more than it hurts mages. It's not like it makes it impossible to be a tank. (the exbow does that)

Titan, I used to agree with you. But as of late, all you've been doing is trying to start up drama.

I'd like to point out a slight flaw in your "I run a tank better" idea.

Daz's tank is under three months old, has an 18mil NW(Most of which is probably in his bow), and has 18k to his name.

Your tank team is over a year old, has 184mil NW and have 1.2mil to your name.

You are at the point where you're not worrying as much as Daz about how to afford the constant need for weapon upgrades and buying BA while Daz is. Just because this change doesn't hurt you, doesn't mean that it doesn't hurt the rest of CB.

"Even if this was pre change, you would not be buying BA on a NCB and upgrading your bow, unless you had a lot of cash stockpiled, and I'm guessing this isn't he case."

Well before it was a little bit easier to manage :p
I wasn't buying max BA, not even close, but at least I could get more into my bow than I can now. And if I don't upgrade my bow, I can very little BA anyway. But I have the lottery of 'If I get more BA, maybe I get a drop to help my broke-ness~'
What I'll probably do is from now on just pour it all into my bow and start a new character when my NCB finishes :\

"You are at the point where you're not worrying as much as Daz about how to afford the constant need for weapon upgrades and buying BA while Daz is. Just because this change doesn't hurt you, doesn't mean that it doesn't hurt the rest of CB."

Lol, what happened to the money that Daz had from his past characters? If his weapon really is 18 million it's close to the size of mine, so you can throw that out right now. Also, "this change doesn't hurt me", that's absolute ludicrous. If this change ends up hurting anyone, it will hurt me. (Short of the nubs, I know it has to hurt you, but I'm guessing Jon new this as he pointed it out to Ranger) I have 2 weapons and DBs. Those are *very* expensive. This however, is from the point. It would have been hard for Daz running a tank NCB with no cash at *any* time. If he plans on buying BA, he might as well throw his pipe dreams of upping his weapon out the window, and I'm talking before this change. Of course I know this change hurts tanks. Do I not have foresight? But, it *does* not make it impossible to run a tank, it was already very easy to out damage a ranged mage in the early game. Tanks are actually *very* viable still down low. Yes, you might not be able to upgrade your weapon a ton. Maybe you should run one NCB to raise money, then one as your actual buying BA NCB. That would work better.

Then if you plan on running a long run tank you should really think about running a few NCBs for cash, leveling some tats and selling them. It's very hard to catch up money wise with just an NCB, which is why NUBs have bonuses to money.

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