Posted Nov 3, 2015

Man to man, you’re going to be judged on your appearance. We’re visual creatures, but we also have numerous other senses that come into play when interacting with others, most importantly, our female counterparts. So let me present a grooming guide to refresh on the staples of looking the part of a gentleman and to ensure success in your endeavors.

Get a Trim

Let’s start from the top. Be sure to head to your barber for a trim once a month. Find a cut that compliments your physical attributes as well as your lifestyle, your hair is ultimately part of the larger package of your signature style. Get a leg up with grooming products delivered to your door monthly, such as Dollar Shave Club.

If facial hair is part of your look, be sure to keep it maintained daily. Missing a few days could quickly turn you from a charming gentleman to a lonely lumberjack.

Hands In

Reaching for a lady’s hand is sure to get you nowhere fast if she finds herself clutching sandpaper. A little bit of moisturizing can go a long way, work Jack Black Industrial Strength Hand Healer into your routine. Also, as simple as it sounds, don’t forget to keep you nails trimmed and clean. Your hands say a lot about you as a man, and you don’t want them talking behind your back.

Get Fitted

All the work you put into your appearance is wasted if you are wearing ill fitted or shabby clothing. Taking the time to get properly fitted and knowing when to retire over worn clothing can make a world of difference on your appearance. Women appreciate the refined look and confidence of a well-dressed man. For assistance with styling use local resources like the experts at J. Crew or Nordstrom to help develop your look.

Leave an Impression

Scent is the strongest sense tied to memory. The easiest way to linger on a lady’s mind is with an unforgettable cologne. Find one that is sure to make a good impression and let it do the rest of the work. You’re sure to cross her mind anytime she comes across your signature scent, which will only increase the anticipation until your next date. Consult an expert nose at Sephora for assistance with a signature scent. Our pick? Tom Ford Noir.

Back to Basics

While basic hygiene is an obvious must, some effortless upkeep can make a world of difference. As menial as it may seem, don’t ever overlook the everyday tasks of brushing, flossing, showering and a fresh deodorant. These basics are there for a reason, largely in part that poor hygiene is never excusable.

Anonymoussays:

Are you into anal?

Mr Fatcrotchsays:

If I were into anal, I would have recommended an enema.

Anonymoussays:

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“Anonymous says:
November 10, 2015 at 10:45 am

Since you’re a woman I don’t expect you to comprehend What’s written in 8th grade level English prose. Where did I write that a man should not impregnate the woman if both chose to do so? Just don’t marry her and don’t live with her…child and mother support (if she is keeping him happy) is not a problem.”

Disgusting. This is a large reason why children are so messed up these days. Reading the posts here show me a selfish, nasty, repulsive side of men that makes me want to turn into a lesbian for God’s sake! Why is it always the women’s fault that you men turn into such assholes?? Where are the REAL people who aren’t tainted with hate and blaming others for their ignorance? Chivalry is so totally dead. Men want to use women and offer an allowance to help them but then condemn them for it. As for the lady posting comments w your photo, nice that you show who you are, very bold; but you really let a man speak to you that way and not just tell him to fuck off? semen swallower? The men here are mostly filthy pigs and I am seeing it much better to live a simple life with one good man than end up with one of this pricks. All cheaters, liars and completely void of good manners and respect for a woman. Their mothers would be so proud – NOT.

Anonymoussays:

What is so “selfish, nasty or repulsive” about what he said?

If the two have already agreed to get pregnant, they have already decided to become co-parenting partners, jointly! Why would the blessing and enforcement of government on Marriage 2.0 Contract be relevant?

The Marriage 2.0 Contract as enforced by the government now doesn’t include any provision regarding fidelity, but only presumes paternal responsibility even if the man is not the father, and enforces division of assets and child support even if the woman cheats and cuckolds the man and the child is not even his. Why would any rational and well informed man want to get married under such a contract? It is called “marriage,” but is really an unconditional slavery contract, where there is no obligation expected of the statistically lower income female partner whatsoever: no sex, no fidelity, not even cooking or cleaning, none whatsoever, but entitled to get half of all assets on top of spending 70% of all household expenditure during marriage. i.e. an unconditional slavery contract on the statistically higher income male partner.

Revert to the original Marriage 1.0 provisions, more men might be interested.

DGsays:

More bad writing .. ” retire over worn clothing” .. does this mean my clothing is worn hence I’m cashing in my IRA and retiring to Florida? Or how about the phrase “largely in part?” Last piece of advice; the moron who wrote this should stay away from an educated SB.

SB TVC15says:

I took it as satire. If it isn’t, yes, poor bastard.

Anonymoussays:

You bothered to read it?

Captivatedsays:

I have just met with my pot yesterday. I have seen his pictures, but when I saw him in person I was even more mesmerized. He is middle aged, though not in his 50’s yet but he looks so very youthful and handsome. He has a very distinctive dress code, and takes care of himself, he’s the ideal man. Never married, no kids, very confident and successful with no ego, just a generally great guy!
I have read some past blogs before and I know I should not say this but how can I control myself when I find him so attractive. I might even fall in love with him at some point so I am worried to start the arrangement. Even though his offering is really generous I do not want that because it complicates a potential relationship.

Boohoo the world is out there to get the men. You are all victims, in need of protection. THIS is how humans as a species cease to exist, by not procreating.

SB TVC15says:

Oh, if only.

Anonymoussays:

Since you’re a woman I don’t expect you to comprehend What’s written in 8th grade level English prose. Where did I write that a man should not impregnate the woman if both chose to do so? Just don’t marry her and don’t live with her…child and mother support (if she is keeping him happy) is not a problem.

If she is keeping who happy?

Anonymoussays:

He’s unmarried, and has NO CHILDREN for a reason.

You’re welcome.

Anonymoussays:

Interesting…woman insists on trying to shame men into marriage/cohabitation for the sake of the continuance of Human species INSTEAD OF changing their own fucking behavior that is causing men to have as little to do with them as possible.

Anonymoussays:

I don’t give a shit if you marry or not, neither about cohabitation. I am just replying to your post where you denied what you wrote and backtracked.

Second, aren’t men claiming they need women, for intimacy all the time. If it’s true, at least women can live without intimacy with men, but the contrary can’t be said.

Third women did not force men to change their behaviour in the fifties where she was supposed to be a housewife and obedient. Now that the tables have changed men are shocked and cannot handle it.
If men wanted to have as little to do with women as possible then let them carry on. I am sure they’ll be back again to beg for sex and it’s never gonna work.

Anonymoussays:

Well in this case the arrangements have to benefit the women a lot, which isn’t usually the case here, for us to bear your asses.

Gentlesays:

Congrats for seemingly finding a gem of an SD ! Enjoy the arrangement and like @Josh used to say-don’t sabotage the arrangement. If this SD gets wind of your infatuation he might run for the hills -or at least to the next SB on his list .

And the blog police block me?

pff

Anonymoussays:

YGTBKM
They block you because you swallow the semen.
This is a family friendly blog.
SMH

yougottabekiddingmesays:

They blocked me before any knowledge of my swallowing semen. Haven’t even started blowing bubbles yet. Besides, of all the pussy and anal talk that goes on around here, I find it a bit hypocritical. My comments were relevant to the topic posed.

As for being blocked by the anonymous blog police…

It seemed silly and quite petty to me. I mean…I like talking with people here, and try to contribute relevant perspective, but I won’t suffer from withdrawals should I not be able to post here. Nope, I won’t.

Am a moderator for an international website with millions more members than this one…have met thousands of them. What I can say of this site and it’s anonymous policing is, you’re doing it wrong 😉 . Flashlight needs new batteries.

Now…carry on with your hate rallies. Ive got cum to swallow. Might even blow some bubbles while I’m at it.

can tell him where to sink his line

no catch

Anonymoussays:

I knew I had it seen before. Funny how he thinks anyone will fall over this practical shit with that networth, that car, stolen pics of two different people-not one and share their pics, since he’s most likely a pic collector. Somebody should report him. I wonder how he got past SA since if they find your pics online they make you confirm it’s you in those.

What’s the point of marrying for a woman then, if she knew you were not to take care of her and her offspring? I thought men were natural providers and protectors…

Anonymoussays:

“What’s the point of marrying for a woman then, if she knew you were not to take care of her and her offspring? I thought men were natural providers and protectors…”

Marriage doesn’t work for the bottom 1/3 of the population because the men can not provide for the women and offsprings anyway. Government welfare penalize marriage.

Marriage works very well for the next 65% of the population because of the cost savings from running one household vs. two households, and the man makes 60-70% of the household income while the woman spends 70% of the household income.

For the top 1-2% of the population, the marriage advantage/incentive is reduced: the cost saving from running one household vs. two household is less significant compared to the total income. The woman can be well provided for without marriage: child support from the high income father + her own income exceeds total income in a typical two-income family. Meanwhile, not being married to each other, both can diversify their genetic portfolio.

This won’t ever happen I think. Religion plays has a big impact on our society anyway so until then, children out of wedlock won’t be easily accepted.

Anonymoussays:

Marital laws are women centric in this country.
If a man worked hard to gain a net worth of 200 M dollars and gets divorced…why is the wife all of a sudden entitled to 100 M dollars? Because her vagina can spit out children? Women have been doing that for free since the beginning of time!

“already collected a month’s worth of allowance.”
Dumb ,dumb,dumb ! If a guy does that in advance he sets himself up for grand theft Sugar

Anonymoussays:

Not true Gentle, most men still gift monthly. If a sb would do that to you in the first week, she’d do that even after a couple of weeks. It’s just a matter of time. I am not sure how you think the sugarbowl survived in the past when they were offering monthly.

Anonymoussays:

Logic is a foreign language for most women.

Gentlesays:

Monthly gifting : Is a minority of Sugar Arrangements I would guess. SA stats are suspect because of the innate bias of reporting . Why would anyone gift monthly # 1 ,and #2 married guys being a majority of SDs must mete out payments a little differently to escape discovery .

Space Cruisersays:

What’s going on? In my fairly rural area of the UK the number of SBs within an 80km radius of my town has risen within a week or so from about 990 to over 1150, including over 50 in the last 24 hours. Usually there are only about a week half a dozen new SBs a week. Anyone know what has caused this sudden and continuing huge increase?

Well, that leaves me puzzled as to why numbers would increase like that in the UK.

There was a definite spike in numbers last year about this time, and I am seeing a ramp up of numbers again this year. I’m not going to complain.

Anonymoussays:

The main stream media just did a piece on UK college students resorting to sugar, naming SA in particular. IMHO, TPTB noticed that the sugar venue might just be a more efficient way of spreading wealth around a bit; voluntary market exchange tend to have lower overhead cost than using guns and jails to tax and redistribute.

cryptic anomalysays:

@Former Anon – “It was stated very clearly on here by one of the more intelligent female posters. She is either going to be with you or she is not going ton be with you from the first meeting (and really even before that) and from there the ONLY thing that can change is her deciding to NOT be with you. There will be no amount of money of “charisma” that will change it from a no to a yes.”

I agree, anyone in business knows that throwing money at a problem does not resolve the problem, not for long anyway. With Sugar if you find you have to keep upping your offer than she does not like you and even if you get her into bed she will most likely be very mechanical about it as she does not like you.

I’ve found quite often that women will want less than I was willing to offer, now that doesn’t mean I offer $500 a night far from it, and I avoid the hooker types who put out for a set fee. But I really liked one of the last SB’s I met and was willing to give $5000 for the month, she still only request $2000. You get genuine women and rinsers, if you do the pre planning right you will find the genuine ones.

rembodlersays:

I confess – for me the purpose of this blog is to talk about something that I cannot talk to anybody about – for obvious reasons.
Truth be told, if I were to have a male equivalent of a “10K platonic date” I would not talk about that here, as no one will believe me, so why bother. I guess that would be the aforementioned “MIT graduate who is 10 in looks and no sexual inhibitions” giving me a free sample of her talents in her condo in Boston with no financial commitment on my part. Not that it ever happened.
So I apologize to the “10K platonic SB” for not believing her. However, if she is indeed someone who pulled that off – she should know full well that no one would believe her and be wise enough not to press the issue.

Anonymoussays:

Requesting a certain number doesn’t make one a rinser, on the contrary stringing one along does make up for a rinser.

Anonymoussays:

My experience with giving in the beginning of the month was as follows:
1. I got the first date that was cut short because she suddenly realized she needs to do something.
2. The second week, she was busy and had to reschedule
3. The third week, she waited until the last moment to tell me her availability. When I could not meet on the day she was free, she said we will meet twice next week
4. Next week she said she has a cold.
5. Next week she said she will gladly meet with me twice, but she is overdue for her rent and can I please give her the next month ASAP.
Needless to say I did not reply to that text.

I agree with the above, there are platonic arrangements, I know there are, but not for 15k or at least I haven’t seen one like that. It is kinda absurd.

FormerAnonsays:

It was stated very clearly on here by one of the more intelligent female posters. She is either going to be with you or she is not going ton be with you from the first meeting (and really even before that) and from there the ONLY thing that can change is her deciding to NOT be with you. There will be no amount of money of “charisma” that will change it from a no to a yes. With that in mind and with that probably applying to the VAST majority of girls in the world a SB will at some point and time put her self in what (for lack of a better term) can be described as a compromising situation with you. She will come back to your place to spend time and she will sit next to you on the couch and cuddle, kiss ect. She might even spend the night even in the same bed with you without being fully intimate ect. If she is NOT doing any of those things there is no reason to offer much of any allowance because there is next to no chance it is going to work out in your favor. If she IS doing those things then the allowance is offered more and more up to the agreed upon level. If she has decided she has “interest” in you from a physical stand point then you and her need to get past the “it feels transactional” and you need to move at her pace for affection and his pace for allowance. Once you both get a feeling of trust you can move past the transactional. If you are looking for SBs that you meet for 6-8 hours per meet well you are probably going to have a longer period of time to get past that is she wants to take things slow. will there be the occasional one where everything just feels right and you jump right in….possibly, but not probable for most.

Kore13says:

From your previous post – I think it could be true that some naiive higher bracket SBs could be targets for some scammer ‘SDs’ (the coconut ‘SD’ from a previous post might be an example of this).

I also believe that some girls would have too much pride to admit that they’ve been subject to manipulation when it comes to sugar. Don’t know if they would feel ashamed about greed though – we have the IG/Tumbler girls who’ve shown otherwise.

Still, I have to say that in general, these girls asking for a high allowance isn’t direct proof that they are naiive when it comes to dealing with men. Maybe they have a “different” sense of appreciation for (earning) money.. But in the end, a successful scammer will have appealed to the naiive SB in the way she likes. Some girls will fall for the money, others will fall for something else. Don’t know how well that is related with SB budget expectation.

rembodlersays:

I think these are perfectly legit things to blog about. Money, intimacy, reliability, trust are at the core of every arrangement. The rest really is your personal experience that you probably best to leave private.
If you left a $100 on the windshield of your car, people aren’t supposed to take it, it is not theirs. But you should not be surprised if you came back to find money gone. Unfortunately, I agree with the above posts – giving money upfront should not be taken advantage of, but if you put yourself in the position where you can be taken advantage of – you will not get much sympathy. She does not have to be a scam artists. Say, she may decide to take off with most of the allowance once she feels your interest in her is on the way out and she found someone new. She will justify it by saying “I know, you were planning to leave me anyway, and I was just protecting myself”.
Giving a good deal of money to someone you do not know well, is and should be risky. As they say about leaving your valuables in the car, don’t. Don’t make a good guy a bad guy. Doing it in installments reduces the risk for both parties.

Anonymoussays:

The only problem lies that men want full intimacy with minimal offerings.

Gentlesays:

“men want full intimacy with minimal offerings.”

Now that’s just a combative statement Anon- Whiny and spoiled. The couple makes a deal and sticks to it -end of story. Anything less is at best rude and at most theft. My SBs meet me for $200/Pop -gladly. EVERY single time I have fallen for a sob story-even a long time SB I had trusted before-I have been scammed . That story above at 3:30 Anon rings true unfortunately . Ergo, PTP rules.

my sb routinely takes me in her ass and says thank you daddy while doing it, i actually have 2 sb’s at the moment who are sisters who i meet together, and take turns pounding their asses

Gentlesays:

Only Popping one right now-monogamous . Sisters sound like fun. My SB is not a relationship sort of girl. If I had time and freedom to go out on dates my SB choice would be very different . We pick what we need at a particular time of life n’est- ce pas ?

Anonymoussays:

My favs are the 18-24 yr olds, despite the drama and unreliability, their total lack of maturity is awesome, they are so naive and gullible, like shooting fish in a barrel, and they will do any freaky shit in bed

Lol sure and they pay you for the privilege too.

Anonymoussays:

I pay them as I should, I am sorry you think I am lying, but then again, I couldn’t care less either

Jaybird923says:

Which Anon are you? My comment was in reference to the one claiming to be having anal threesomes with sisters. And I could careless what anyone pays anyone else. If it works for the people involved then that’s all that matters.

For SDs: Let’s take it slow, don’t give money for intimacy, looking for love and marriage, p4p…

For SBs: platonic, take it slow, princess and entitlement…

Kore13says:

@Bruce It’s hard to say because a person could claim any kind of BS on their profile.

I remember reading one who had part of a maserati in the profile picture and wrote that he was a kind person, etc. (Was most likely lifted.) I messaged him (hmm, a self-proclaimed kind, rich person? ^^). After a few exchanges, he kept repeating, ‘You will have to follow my directions without question. I don’t meet girls who don’t send me nudes.’

After that, I figured that the best profiles are short ones that give the SB an idea of some base personality traits. Anything much more seems unnecessary and sends me the wrong message. You do most of the getting to know through communication, so the profiles that reveal the person’s classy lifestyle, or even that they’re willing to compensate for the SB’s time, etc.. They come across as the kind of people I wouldn’t get along with very well or would not like to be around.

Hahaha ! Talk about a Freudian slip. You sure it wasn’t on BP ?

Anonymoussays:

what does BP stand for?

SDsays:

Back Page -escorts

Gentlesays:

What I DO think is germane to the Category discussion is SBs’ success in making an arrangement. They are looking for advice,not comedy.

Those of us who are experienced at being a successful SD or SB should share true experiences -not just how we think things should be. Potential Sugars need advice ,but many of us chase them off by rude comments or shaming . I’d rather an SB get valid advice from us rather than go to IG for fairy tales . They can watch Disney programming for that .

Each valid contribution should be that blogger’s reality. If SB A is getting $10G /month, share it .We Daddies don’t want to believe it is true since most of us can’t play at that level ,but that doesn’t mean it isn’t true . And I pay $1K/month -it is true and my SB’s reality . Hopeful Female bloggers don’t want to believe that is true since it doesn’t meet with their expectation of unearned riches.

@$10K/month you could have ANY SB on the board-pick of the litter

Anonymoussays:

Why would you call someone who gifts a high allowance a chump but complain when others call you a cheapo salty?

FormerAnonsays:

1. Many SBs here looking for advice are looking for advice on how to hide the fact that they are not what they say they are. They are prostitutes or massage parlor girls looking for ways to make guys think they are not. They are never going to be physical, but they want to know how to string that out as long as possible. They want to know how to “get more” than what they agreed to by going shopping and asking (begging) to get things and on and on. Many are looking for advice on how to have multiple SDs they juggle at the same time even if they have lied to several of them that they are not doing that.

2. Many SBs are looking for advice on how to get things that are not realistic like $10,000+ per month. Again unless you are stupid you realize the economics of that happening and the likelihood of being in a nearby location and being attractive to the VERY VERY VERY few that can realistically offer that is going to be extremely small and there are no “times and tricks” to make that happen. Well there is a “trick” to it and that is to become a by the hour SB or an extended stay escort and juggle multiple SDs that all happen to have the nickname John and then keep pretending you are a SB and post on as many forums and blogs as you can about how “oh gurl it all possible juss hole out for dat money gurl oh u go gurl” and be stupid enough to think that others believe you. The VERY VERY VERY rare case of a SB that has been able to get an arrangement for that amount is not wasting their time giving advice to others because they are generally going to be intelligent enough to know that it is a RARE situation that allowed that to happen and there is no “advice” for getting that other than wait years and years and screen through dozens and dozens of SDs until the one comes along and then don’t blow it (but do blow him for all you are worth).

3. Here is VALID advice. I am not telling you to lower your standards, do things you are not interested in doing, compromising your safety, or degrading yourself. But that does not mean I or anyone else needs to blow smoke up your princess butt (unless you are both into that and agreed to it as part of the arrangement) and that does not mean that people are “hating” or “running you off” when they repeatedly explain the reality and economics of why getting an arrangement that large is going to be tough to do. If you are intelligent you will also notice that those “SBs” that come along and try and say it is possible and happens a lot also never give any of the ask for “advice” on how to make it happen and generally they try the “shaming” of “well if you cannot afford that stop getting in the way of those that can”. What I and others are saying is that if you MUST have an allowance that large you better be very attractive, interesting, educated, “willing”, able, flexible (physically and time wise), Disease Free and most importantly you better be prepared to go through a LOT OF FREAKS AND GEEKS to meet that and to wait a long time to do so (if ever with if ever being the likely reality). The scammer SDs out there see these “high expectation” princesses out there and they are like sharks to blood they smell a naive, greedy idiot from a mile away and they will move in aggressively and money whip you (with well under your “expectations”) and they will be aggressive and rude and if you are stupid you will find yourself in a lot of compromising situations. They will know that you are stupid and easily impressed with fake watches, rented cars, rooms in decent hotels and a few shopping trips for some “designer goods” and after they get you all excited for that they will move in aggressively because they know you do not have any real clue about money or the reality of money and you think those with a high net worth run around making money fans and fanning themselves with them or they walk down the street “stacked” and talking on a “money fone” and they wear nothing but the most expensive items and drive only the most expensive cars and breakfast, lunch and dinner are all at the most expensive places in town.

4. Most of the SDs that ask for advice here are asking how to avoid getting taken/rinsed by the scammers and fake SBs and the prostitutes and they generally get advice. Some of them actually get advice to lower their expectations if need be and stop aiming for the 10 (that CLEARLY has a fake profile or is clearly a scammer) and do a better job screening their SBs before even meeting with them in person. some also get some advice on shaving, showering, cleaning up, getting some better cloths and generally not being so awkward around women and not to be so desperate considering in a SD/SB arrangement you should be clear about what you want and not shy about expressing it (properly and respectfully) and if that does not work for the AB stop trying to force it with money and move on and keep working out and get in shape while you are at it and make mental notes of what did not work right the last time. This same advice really goes to SBs as well, but when you start out with the silly premise that you are going to get something from someone that they really do not have to offer well there is really no helping you.

I agree but I do not understand the first bit, how are they pros or massage parlor girls if they do not want to get intimate?
Wouldn’t that make them prudes?…

Anonymoussays:

The scammer SDs out there see these “high expectation” princesses out there and they are like sharks to blood they smell a naive, greedy idiot from a mile away and they will move in aggressively and money whip you (with well under your “expectations”) and they will be aggressive and rude and if you are stupid you will find yourself in a lot of compromising situations.

WHAAT? That ish is not legal. Nobody can force anybody do something they do not want. Plus how are the scammer sds going to scam the top sbs who ask for a higher allowance, when they can’t provide that? Give out fake money?

Anonymoussays:

@the anon above, apparently he thinks all top high SBs are stupid and that they generally are easily impressed by fake watches, rented cars.. etc so they do not need the allowance anymore. And then they complain about the backlash on the minimal ones, when they clearly are undermining the high ones. It’s a double standard

I summarized it for you. It was meant as sarcasm. This post is nonsense. It tells nothing we don’t already now with a few stupid lines in between.

FormerAnonsays:

For #1 I should have said they are EITHER pros and massage parlor girls OR they do not want intimacy not that they are BOTH at the same time which would not be possible. (Although I am sure there are pros and massage parlor girls that think they can come here and be “platonic” and pull it off if they “work at it”

As for the part about forcing people to do things. The thing that scammers sniff out like sharks to blood is ignorance, stupidity, and greed. When you combine those you have someone that is easily manipulated and you have someone that will fall for the “I am waiting on a wire transfer from my off shore account so I will pay you the rest of your $10,000 allowance next week her is %500 dollars right now. When you are dealing with someone that is that clueless and that refuses to see the signs of BS because of the dollar signs that is when you have someone that is open to being to being browbeaten into doing things they do not want to do. That is how you end up with someone that puts themselves in a compromising situation and usually the ones that have refused to listen to reason and that have allowed themselves to get in those situations are the ones that will not report aggression, physical abuse or threats, drugging and the like because if they have to step up and admit that happened to them then they also have to admit to themselves that they were greedy and allowed their desire for easy money to get them into a bad situation. I am not saying “they deserved that” nor am I saying the type of guy that would do that is not a loser and should not be placed in jail for a long time but what I am saying is that hard headed no it alls get themselves into bad situations and often do not report them and that means those same fake “big money” loser SDs are out there doing it over and over and over and perfecting the methods they use to prey upon the stupid and naive.

It is like putting an ad on craigslist and saying you want a full kitchen remodel with commercial appliances, stone counter tops, high end hand made cabinets and you are willing to pay $3,200 to GET ALL THAT! and PS the contractor has to be licensed, bonded and insured and he has to have lots of references. If you are stupid enough to believe you will get all of that for the cost of one or two of the appliances then eventually after dozens of losers in junky trucks have come knocking at your door run into the guy in a big fancy truck that will sense how tired and worn down you are from the other losers and he will tell you he can do it for $6,500 and as soon as you cut him a check for $3,000 to get materials he can “get started” and if you are lucky you will never see him again if you are unlucky he will come back and tear your kitchen apart and ask for another $2,000 and then you will never see him again. You did not DESERVE to get ripped off, but your stupid and unrealistic expectations allowed you to get ripped off. It is the same here…..when a scammer sees a girl that seems to have no clue about money and what it takes to have money and to have they actual lifestyle that goes with her $10,000+ per month expectations they know they have someone they can fool, brow beat, scam and probably even be aggressive with or even drug or rape because she is not going to catch on until it is too late and even then she will not want to admit she was wrong and was taken advantage of. That does NOT make it OK or “right” or that she deserved it in any way shape or form, but it could have been prevented if she listened to common sense and reason and simple basic economics.

“you think those with a high net worth run around making money fans and fanning themselves with them or they walk down the street “stacked” and talking on a “money fone””

Well, that’s what I’d do!

SDsays:

@semi

Of course it has but it is obviously at the forefront of many Sugar thoughts . After all -it is about money. What else are we going to talk about – Makeup,shoe brands,other indulgences that guys don’t give a shit about ? I like talking about sex and money-what else is there ?

I agree. I did weekly and I did biweekly. I always thought they are more enthusiastic on the payday then when they meet you “for nothing”. So – why not make every time a payday?

Anonymoussays:

Scammers and rinsers are the only ones “offended” by a weekly allowance at first. They want you to give them the whole amount so they can vanish and move on to the next target. True SB’s committed to the arrangement are fine with it as long as they receive the money and are not scammed. Rinsers will tell you they do not want it to feel transactional so you must give it all at once.

I mean, even YT and 9gag require an account. But SA offers an extra special sense of security by allowing absolutely no membership to participate.

SDsays:

Easy way for it not to feel “transactional”. Make it a direct deposit to her account. But since majority of SD’s are married, this is probably not an option. Cash is totally discreet. Plus most people do not want a paper trail for the IRS.

Bruce Waynesays:

Wow what a weekend I missed. IMHO, the market in your geographic locale sets the price. The two parties that come to an agreement set the terms, and as long as they are happy, who the fck cares what other people think.

I had a conversation with a pot SB yesterday. She “only wanted $1,0000” so that she could go on a vacation with her gfs over Christmas break. Her offer in return was to send me pictures with her friends having a good time. #delusional

Let all the SBs start (IPO) wherever they want but SDs get to bring them down like stocks.

Let the fireworks fly and let’s get some Guinness and cashews going.

Jaybird923says:

LoL yeah there’s no conflict of interest with that system. The market place already decides. How many times have SBs come on here to complain about consistently getting the same offers from men when they are listed in a higher price point? How many SDs have posted alt having trouble getting girls top meet them or respond to messages?

That’s why I think these discussions about money are pointless you can ask for ever you want but if no one is willing to pay it they’ll either abandon ship, lower their asking price to market value, or juggle multiple clients to get what they originally wanted.

Same thing for SDs they’ll either not renew membership, raise their budget, or find a less discerning option

flyRsays:

So true

It’s like the constant stream of whining you see on TV Woe is me, life is unfair.

It is time to bring the salt out of the closet. For newcomers to the blog , the next time you go to the market look at the table salt offered for sale. There’s the generic salt and the brand name salt. Brand name salt sells for 25%-50% more. Why? packaging and promotion the salt is exactly the same.

Until you differentiate your sugar it is just the same as generic salt. Available anywhere. It is only scarcity that creates value , since the world is not running out of salt or SB’s you need to be special. Same goes for SD.

Imagine for a moment that I am planning to rent a room in my home. I put an ad in Craigslist and probably price the room at the top of the market and leave some suggestions regarding the desired tenant. That does not close the door to someone promoting the reasons why they are the perfect tenant at a lower rent,,,,, an proposal I would probably accept if i were wise.

Sometimes it is really simple. Before you take those pictures clean up your room, close the drawers and closet door, make the bed (unless the picture is of you in the bed) . Or even just smile.

Rather than all the woe is me stuff it would be productive if people simply shared positive ideas

Anonymoussays:

Yeah sure just like how Republicans run positive political campaigns?

Real SDsays:

This is stupid lol. You do realize there are people there who will not change their expectations and are in no hurry to find a sd as they have a steady income and the allowance provided with only be a bonus?

If it were up to sds they would pay none. But in reality, this is a sugar daddy site and it doesn’t work like that. I know you would want to but if you’re rich you cannot afford this, putting into entertainment, and if you’re not attractive you cannot afford this either, dealing with the competition.

I don’t advise SBs to lower their expectation in malice. I do it to get some allowance going for them instead of them leaving disappointed.

If it were not a big deal for some SBs why don’t they mind their own business and let me babble on?

Anonymoussays:

Because this is a public blog, where people post and respond to new topics created by anon’s who probably are trolls and came here to lower people’s expectations by force. You can’t tell people what to do, especially if you’re just a dumb anon with credibility.

yeah, I think everyone knows who the troll is LOL! most do anyway 😉

Anonymoussays:

Hellooooooo!

Make up your mind…either trolls have the power to “force” people or they don’t.

Jaybird923says:

LoL today has to be the most ridiculous day of post in SA Blog history. Over a hundred posts all by anonymous arguing about minimal and high allowances.

One would think that the minimal fans would realize that no amount of IRS data is going to change a high substantial SB’S mind and that the high SBs would realize that no amount of name calling is going to convince the minimal SD to pay a high allowance.

If Minimal SBs were left alone instead of being chastised for being cheap whores looking for cheap johns, then the Moderate/Substantial/High SBs should be left alone as well.

SDsays:

I agree with jaybird. Posters are so hung up on these expectation categories on paper which absolutely mean nothing in real life. Arguing back and forth like little children over the internet. SA should just do way with these silly expectation figures and put all of it as Negotiable.

Anonymoussays:

@SD

What’s preventing you from:

1. Not feeding the troll,
2. Ignoring the babble and
3. Posting what you consider valuable?

SDsays:

Not feeding the troll and ignoring the babble does not work on a blog. We all like to post. I hear people say shit like that all the time and it never works. We are all trolls. What do I consider valuable? I cannot answer that until I meet the SB in person. That’s why I believe in Negotiable.

Anonymoussays:

I am glad that you are smart enough to realize that one’s troll is another’s great blogger.

Anonymoussays:

IRS data is simply a more reliable reference point, in contrast to whatever fake profiles either men or women create for whatever reason.

A “POT” asking for High and Substantial is not an SB unless she has an ongoing arrangement that pays her either High or Substantial. IMHO, if she is so gullible that she thinks there are more than 2 million men (“most” of 4+ million SD’s) on SA each making more than $600k/yr when there are less than 1 million households / tax filing units in the entire US making that cut, she is not likely to find her sponsor before falling for some scam artist.

Posters name-calling the “minimal SD’s” are not likely SB’s at all, but escorts: “cheap whores” are no threat to legit SB’s already enjoying high paying sponsors; only “expensive whores” are worried about “cheap whores” driving down prices. If asking “minimal” makes an SB “cheap whore,” what does asking “high” or “substantial” make an SB? “expensive whores”?

If I have to deal with whores, I’d rather deal with cheap whores, to ensure I’m not paying more than any of her other clients are paying. Only when the girl proves herself not to be a whore, am I willing to make “substantial” or “high” investment in a relationship with her.

Anonymoussays:

There is absolutely no doubt, SA has made a huge dent in the escorting enterprise. Why anyone wants a phony old woman who sees random guys by the hour – if they can have an enthusiastic coed who is happy with the same for overnite, is exclusive and is perfectly legal…
You are not going to dissuade the escort-troll. SA is cutting right into her business, making her obsolete. She is going to huff and puff here, with her salt daddying and 5k/nite.
Ignore her, she is old, wrinkly and sour. She did not save enough. She has no other skill but BJs. Be kind…

Anonymoussays:

There’s only one person pushing this minimal agenda, and I say pushing as a softer word, since he’s trying to convince the other sds to tell the sbs they’re talking with to lower their expectations. I mean what the fuckkk. Nobody is calling him cheap, but there’s a limit. Just mind your own fucking damn business troll. If that works for you great. Why bother with OTHER PEOPLE’S MONEY?

Anonymoussays:

Only when the girl proves herself not to be a whore, am I willing to make “substantial” or “high” investment in a relationship with her.

HOW THE FUCK IS SHE A WHORE YOU BITCH ASS TROLL? Are you here looking for a pro or an escort, that’s why you find them all whores? You’re the one who’s pretending sbs are whores so shut your trap. You exposed yourself way too much in this post and contradicted yourself. Don’t blame other people when it’s you.

Anonymoussays:

“HOW THE FUCK IS SHE A WHORE YOU BITCH ASS TROLL? Are you here looking for a pro or an escort, that’s why you find them all whores? You’re the one who’s pretending sbs are whores so shut your trap. You exposed yourself way too much in this post and contradicted yourself. Don’t blame other people when it’s you.”

You must have me confused with someone else. I’m willing to promise up to $3k/mo and deliver up to $10k/mo for a genuine dating relationship; have done both in reality; if she sleeps around behind my back, the level of support is quickly dropped to $1k/mo or below, or terminated (except for occasional humanitarian assistance when necessary).

What contradiction did you find in my previous post? Methinks you are just a used up whore trying to upsell.

SDsays:

“There’s only one person pushing this minimal agenda”

I am too ! I would guess that the majority of SDs out there -most who do not post but occasionally read this drivel-are in the minimal category as well. The high dollar contributors are few and far between .

Anonymoussays:

of course you are darling. Most of the low income ‘sds’ have the time to post on the blog while higher income men are too busy with earning money and could care less about blogging so u are in good company

Anonymoussays:

You contradicted yourself where you said that bloggers have been calling minimal sbs escorts and then telling people that sbs have to verify to you they’re not whores. Me thinks you’re just an ugly, old, bald and fat troll with no life who likes wasting our valuable times.

SDsays:

Anonymous

“of course you are darling. Most of the low income ‘sds’ have the time to post on the blog while higher income men are too busy with earning money and could care less about blogging so u are in good company :)”

Do you have an SD ? You sound a little too bitter to have one -probably from bad experiences with Daddies pricing your services at market rates rather than High. Maybe had to work a string to make ends meet ? It’s OK -there is no shame in it .

Anonymoussays:

@SD There’s nothing wrong with having a minimal budget. Just message the girls who have ticked that category. Telling people to change their expectations is another thing. Anyone can do whatever the hell they want. It’s a free country. Don’t message girls outside category. Easy as a,b,c.

The only troll here is female. Please point out a male troll?

Anonymoussays:

YOU and your ‘findings’. If you do not know just scroll down a few posts. There you will find yourself.

Bartolosays:

@Jay – I think that this is just an inevitable “feature” of what has become of the “arrangement” lifestyle. It’s really several lifestyles . . . several communities within a community.

On the one hand, there are the women who post on IG (and those of similar approach to this). I have NOTHING in common with them, and would never be seeking anything with them. On the other hand, at the other end of the spectrum, are students and recent college grads and single mothers who are employed but living in a very expensive area, such as my city. They have no time for a trad’l relationship, want a man (once a week…lol), and could use the $. What I often hear from them is, “I am comfortable with this, but please don’t make it feel transactional.”

The conflict here on the blog is just inevitable from those worlds colliding.

Jaybird923says:

Very true but there seems to be a surge in the IG(and those of similar approach to this) on this blog. While I always welcome a different perspective. It seems like these new additions sole purpose is to cause conflict and contribute nothing of value.

Calling some one a John because he gives a minimal allowance is just as ridiculous as calling someone an escort because thay want a high allowance.

The only logical post that offered a valid reason for their stance was the one about income in America based on the IRS data. I always find it amusing when people post about only contacting SDs who make a million dollars or more. Good luck with that strategy.

If a high grade SB settles for Minimal because she was hard on luck and the SD did not quickly bring her allowance to what the market can bear then some SD will come along and snatch her away.

rembodlersays:

Thanks, man. It is…very noble of you trying to save the world and make a better life for the humankind. But… maybe – do not worry so much about the rest of us? We are, in fact, doing OK. Some of us worry more about… not overcommitting than about not having enough to work with. The SA is doing OK, I do not see Mr. Wade going broke any time soon….;))))).

Anonymoussays:

You’re welcome.

Anonymoussays:

I guess you’re the anon below who wanted to push the minimal agenda.
Stop being so concerned about the high sbs, they don’t care, are not desperate, have a number in their mind and willing to wait. Mostly it’s because they have an income, and don’t want just any sd, but one that can provide what they want. I am sure there are minimal sbs who have had good experiences from this. Don’t judge other people’s expectations, they are what they are. Just get on with your minimal sb, if you even have one.

SDsays:

Lotto mentality is alive and well. Some girls set a crazy high price on themselves and are OK with not budging. The odds are extremely high that they will never hit their number ,and they are OK with that . In fact ,I think a lot are conflicted about selling themselves to the highest bidder, but do so anyway because the money is too tempting . In the end they might be relieved that they don’t compromise their thin moral setpoint .

Anonymoussays:

@SD Why is it bothering you? If they’re not bulging they’re not bulging. End of story. Don’t talk to the high sbs then, just message your budget category. Just like what a sd does with his money is nobody’s concern, what a sb does with her expectation isn’t either. Some are negotiable and some are not. That’s life.

You put it right in your previous post. If you have hundreds of messages, feel free to next anybody. If you have a grand total of two messages, maybe you need a reality check.

Anonymoussays:

I you have a grand total of two messages, you come to the blog and ask for advice. LOL!!!

Another Anonymoussays:

@Anonymous

Even without creating a profile and other assumptions, let us look at hard numbers. The number of men in USA who make 600k a year is WAY WAY below a million. A small majority of them can pull that for many years. And it is safe to assume only a minority of them is here. So the number of guys who are willing and able to pay 120k a year must be very small. And once again they did not get to where they are by spending that amount on entertainment.

In other words those guys are about as rare as a 10 look, olympic athlete MIT graduate with stellar personality, classical music training and no sexual inhibitions. 😉

rembodlersays:

@Anon
You are talking statistics and your adversary here is talking a lottery.
If someone believe they can win a lottery or in Las Vegas casino, what your stats have to do with it? Are you going to argue we should do away with lottery or casinos?
If an SB believes that there are numerous SBs out there racking in 10K for a platonic arrangement, that is her choice. No reason trying to convince her otherwise.
Same as a gent believes – what did you say – “a 10 in looks, olympic athlete MIT graduate with stellar personality, classical music training and no sexual inhibitions” will agree to a 100 month allowance.

Anonymoussays:

Just create a profile and look at all these fake rich sds. It’s funny how they’re lying.

Another Anonymoussays:

As to platonic 10K a month, I am quite sure they exist, I just think they are statistical oddities.

As to SB heading for the exit when she finds better deal, well that is the reality of the market. Very few people would stay put if the new employment offer is 5x the previous salary, unless the other part of the deal is remarkable.

We did not believe the 10k platonic sb and we’re not gonna believe him. Double standards much?

Anonymoussays:

The SB would probably rush for the door if she found a better deal lol

Another Anonymoussays:

@Anonymous

It is nice to hear about your opinions about the guys who make 600 k, but really that amount of money per year is a rare event. One has to be deep into top 1 percentile and should be there for many years to be able to spend 120k yearly on entertainment. No doubt there are guys like that, but no way they are easy to find.

Anonymoussays:

It’s the majority on SA. Just create a sb profile and do your own research. Of course we could assume they’re lying…

Anonymoussays:

LOL. The latest available IRS data shows there are only $1.36mil individuals and households making more than $434k/yr. Given the usual income distribution patterns, probably no more than half make more than $600k/yr. Not all are men, and probably only a tiny percentage are on SA.

But hey, the gullible/hopeful/day-dreaming SB’s insisted for many days the $15k platonic dinner date girl was real.

Good for you. If that is what you can afford and find someone then more power to you. Why did you feel the need to come and express it here though?

The Shadowsays:

So, yet another BigSpender creep crawls out of the woodwork to actually brag about and take pride in being an El Cheapo bottom feeding Jerkoff. Your the type of cheapie that feels he is a big man leaving a hard working waitress a $2 tip on a $50 meal.

You have a lot of company on this blog.

Anonymoussays:

$1k/mo makes a noticeable difference to the employed woman making about $50k a year or less, with a monthly take-home pay of about $3k or less. That is, about 80+% of women.

$1k/mo is obviously not enough for the unemployed woman counting on sugar as sole source or primary source of income.

The very first SB I ever had, many years ago IRL not via SA, was on $1k/mo, and she was very happy; that lasted nearly two year. Recently I spent nearly $10k/mo for a couple months in a row on an SB, after having only promised her “up to $3k/mo.” Over the years, I have been all over the map.

There is no correlation between spending on a woman vs. what you get in return or the stability of relationship. If anything, giving too much seems to give women bad ideas such as throwing parties for her friends or running a project behind your back, etc..

I have decided to limit promises to $1-3k/mo, then going beyond the promise from time to time just as a way of finding out how reliable/buggy the woman/girl’s internal programming is, before the relationship becomes more serious.

Anonymoussays:

Are you in sugar or playing games like a high schooler?
” way of finding out how reliable/buggy the woman/girl’s internal programming is, before the relationship becomes more serious.”

Nobody is against 1k per month, and I am sure there are some sbs who would appreciate even that. Saying it’s better than the other allowance categories is not ok in my book. Minimal is not for everyone and it all depends on the persons involved.

Anonymoussays:

$1k/month or $300/week makes a huge difference to a student. My city is FULL of students. I have some experience with them (mostly grad students; the undergrads typically are too young and too flaky for me). These young women have classes, lab time, they often TA, and some have part time jobs. They do NOT want a BF, yet they are horny. My $300/week and orgasmic “benefits” is very much appreciated.

So while my grad student “friend” and I are having a great time and very happy, some rinser is going to post how awful I am.

Anonymoussays:

Are you using sugar as a front for your escort service?

I’m not particularly keen on keeping a relationship at the level of cash-for-sex after a few weeks, regardless how hot the woman is. She has to offer more in terms of personality, loyalty, and etc., to keep me interested after the initial novelty wears off. Of course I’d like to find out more about the SB’s temperaments.

Those who draw a stark line between sugaring and dating are essentially saying they consider sugaring more akin to escorting than to dating.

@The Shadow, I bet you have never had an arrangement. You are probably old, fat and ugly. Every guy on SA is El Cheapo as El Platonico for 15ko don’t existo. Keep trolling!

Anonymoussays:

Look at this guy calling the upper poster a troll. The troll himself. This is getting ridiculous.

There are 4 other categories besides minimal poster. Get on with your life. Why come here and vent when it’s clear you’re not a SD? I am sure you haven’t even paid minimal. What the fuck are your ‘findings’? This is not some freaking nazi experiment. It’s for chatting and finding a suitable allowance for both parties. If a girl doesn’t accept your ass then move on, nobody is forcing you.
You are using shaming tactics. You’re a sad, pathetic, fat ugly and old troll.

Anonymoussays:

Not bragging – just stating a fact. The market price isn’t set by what the SD can afford, it is set by supply and demand and the cost of living. The cost of living sets the minimum where an SB will think it is not worth it. It doesn’t make me a John and it doesn’t make my SB an escort.

You can email rather than just reply after using 10 free emails allowance.

Anonymoussays:

Making SA richer?

rembodlersays:

I have no idea why is it such a big deal, who “asks” for what. I agree with the poster below, it is market driven. You can put your 1991 Honda Civic on Craigslist, call it antique and ask for 20k. People who can get “confused” by that should indeed “not be allowed to breed”. If the young woman here on SA really needs some cash, you negotiate with her, she knows what she needs to cover her rent and T-mobile. If she is just hoping to get a 5k LV bag for “kicking back” and she is in no need for extra cash, she will not negotiate.
Just keep looking. No need to get upset with anonymous posters who think the only acceptable allowance is High/Minimal. To each her own.

FormerAnonsays:

A lot of it also has to do with the massive amount of financial illiteracy in the USA. An example of this is the idiot that replied to this saying that substantial and high is not exorbitant and if one cannot afford it there are others that can. While there surely are those out there that can afford $10,000+ per month the VAST majority of them are not on this site or looking for a SB and the FEW (VERY VERY VERY FEW) that MIGHT be on this site or looking for a SB did not make their money by giving it away to some fool because “they are worth it”. The income level and net worth that would allow anyone (that was not heading to bankruptcy in rapid time) to have a SB and pay them $120,000 per year (much less wining and dining them and travel) is going to be well below 1% of the US or even world working population and again an even smaller% of them are looking for a SB or will be a fool with their money. Even the income level to pay $4,000 or $5,000 per month (in addition to any travel and wining and dining and to have a decent “lifestyle” to match) will still put someone well into the top 1% of earners unless they are the type that spends every dime they make and has nothing set aside for the future and few actual assets. The fact that so many of the SBs that claim they have one (or 3 or 4) of these types of SDs yet they are “still in the game” at 30+ and they are broke and living in a condo they can barely afford with a car that takes up most of the rest of their income and no education, skills or career prospects and they are still pretending anyone believes they are taking in $10,000+ per month again just shows how stupid and financially illiterate people can be. That or they do not mind making people believe that they are stupid enough to actually take in that income yet have nothing to show for it which still proves their financial ignorance and explains why they are rapidly moving from SD “juggler” to “old pro”.

Anonymoussays:

In your last bit you talked about ‘older’ sbs who have a lot of shortcomings, which is stupid. While the reality is that young sbs can pull that amount off with no problem. There’s always someone who’s gonna pay. And you think that a sd who is able to afford that will keep a sb for a long time? Nope, he will get a new one after at least 5 months just because he can. So there will be women who cater to his needs and fulfill his expectations. Men who claim to have a 600k annual income (the majority on this site but they might be lying) could in fact easily afford one of those lifestyle expectation categories.

Each to their own, if you cannot afford it, don’t judge others who can. Nobody is judging you on your minimal allowance.

Anonymoussays:

There is no way the majority of of SD’s on SA are making more than $600k/yr. In the latest available IRS data, only 1.36 million individuals and households in the entire US reported income in excess of $434k, the cut-off point for top 1%. Even if all of us were male and were on SA, we still would not make up the majority here.

Interestingly enough, the cut-off point for top 10% in the IRS data has gone backwards: from about $145k a few years ago to $125k in the latest data. That may well explain why the sugar transaction average has gone down as well as why many young girls attending prestigious colleges have shown up here recently: the upper middle class family is being decimated.

semiAnonymousinATLsays:

The troll in me wants to pose this question: Is there a correlation in the ‘entitlement’ of some SBs (seemingly the younger ones, but not always) and the entitlement society we live in (at least in the US)? Or is it more a work ethics question? Seems more and more want to be bailed out of a jam, without putting skin in the game (literally).

SDsays:

We live in an era of instant gratification because of the internet. Think of the FB, twitter, and Instagram generation. Before, if you needed info, you had to crack open an Encyclopaedia brittanica or heaven forbid go to a library. Now you have the world at your fingertips.

I wrote the above knowing fully well that the question by @Anon at
10:27 am above was not in good faith and regardless of what I write the answer will be denounced.

Anonymoussays:

Substantial or even high is not an exorbitant amount. If you cannot afford it someone else can. Move on.

Anonymoussays:

Really? I was generally curious what area you lived and what an exorbitant amount means to you. Nothing sinister about it but if you are embarrassed to say then understand.

Does her ability to secure a gift over $10,000 have anything to do with how you view her, or do you mean she will be more inclined to turn down your offer if she is getting higher allowances from someone else. Which comes first?

Anonymoussays:

or if you do not want to say an exact amount would you mind telling what category you find exorbitant as defined by SA? Example: as in minimal, practical, moderate, etc and what country and city u are in?

flyRsays:

It is no different from someone selling a car , boat or house. They generally ask for what they think is the maximum they might get. Most likely they also put is an ACF to accommodate less than desirable SD. (ACF= asshole correction factor)

If you like the woman’s profile but do not like or can not afford the allowance range then write her a nice note which tells her why you are special and that your budget for sugar is x and ask if she is interested . That should be easy for all but the entitled who are always waiting for someone else to make their world better. It’s so unfair that these women ask for such allowances waaa waaa waaa .

flyRsays:

It’s really not much different that looking at resumes for many non technical jobs. The applicants have an incredible range of skills from wonderful to “should not be allowed to breed” and often inversely related expectations.

Many here think a lot of the SB’s grossly over expect and over sell. Sure they’re pretty easy to spot. A simple question like – I share your thoughts that it is best if some time is spent together prior to intimacy. I assume you understand that there would be no allowance, but that I would of course pay for the food and beverage during this period. Let me know is that is not your intent.

There are also a lot of women and young women on the site who way undersell what the could bring to the party. Often trying to attract everyone attracts no SD

If the people whining about the other people spent half that time either improving their approach or their search there would not be so much anguish. You can run with the big dogs or hide under the porch and yap in safety as they pass. In most of the areas in which I have looked ( pacific coast, AZ, NV , TX) if you can not find someone in a metro area the problem is not SA.

SDsays:

@ Whoever the fuck
“Substantial or even high is not an exorbitant amount. If you cannot afford it someone else can. Move on.”

Typical arrogant answer from an entitled rinser . Sadly for MOST girls,this kind of statement promotes the degenerative spiral into failure. Young women need to have realistic hope of getting an arrangement . Not the “hang out your demands and some prince(sucker) will come.

Anonymoussays:

@SD People have a button on their profiles and press whatever the hell they want and you cannot change that. Good luck with calling high and substantial listers rinsers. Until then I’m calling you cheap and escort finder because this isn’t a one way street.

Tell all SBs in your area to reduce their Lifestyle Expectations to Minimal. Then visit their profile 2 weeks later. Tell me how many of them actually did reduce their expectations.

Once you report your findings then I will share my findings with you.

Anonymoussays:

There is a reason for this experiment…the more women list Minimal, the more of them will actually fetch an arrangement and not end up abandoning their profiles like most do will forever leaving Moderate, Substantial, High profiles behind to confuse newcomers.

If you DO arrange with a Minimal girl, don’t be stingy and treat her well financially–and with respect–based on your circumstances.

Anonymoussays:

Where is this coming from? Lool

Anonymoussays:

Very important? HA! Good one 😉

No one wants to hear your findings, idiot. Your ‘experiment’ will not change anything or the reality that there are people who are able AND willing to gift moderate and higher. Worry about yourself and your own money and not what others do.

Anonymoussays:

or, MAYBE they abandon their profiles because they get low balled by enough ‘SD’s who are trying to save money on their escort or pro habit, so they heard from their mates they can find many young naive girls that do not know any better and try to get them for a week for what most escorts charge per hour. It is not even about the money but how the girls are treated and the mind set the guy has when looking for an ‘arrangement’. They don’t care about the girls and only want the most bang for their buck. The girls either laugh at the low offers and bad salty behaviour from the guys, wait for something better with someone who actually cares about them or their well-being or they leave SA out of disgust for guys trying to pull that obvious dodgy scam.

Funny how when any female speaks common sense or the truth about the site they are called trolls.

Anonymoussays:

The troll poster is the same poster who posted this anon so don’t worry.

It’s market driven. With that said, there are some values out there for us guys in the smaller cities. Girls who would be moderate in a larger city can be had for $2k/month here.

While some will scoff and deride me as cheap, why pay above market value? In my area, $2k/month offers a pretty nice selection of 19-23 year olds. I’ll take the extra $3k/month and put it to better use than chasing pussy.

@Indiana At $2K/month you are not cheap or low balling . I have an endless supply of quality babies for $800-1200 /month in a moderate sized city

SDsays:

BTW boys ,we lose perspective how much money we give these Babies for almost no effort. Your $2000/month is about $3400 tax free =#40,000+/year. All this for a college girl who makes $12/hour or less at the cafeteria busing tables . C’mon guys ,get a dose of reality please

Jaybird923says:

@SD that comment was as bad as the comments calling guys who give 1,000 johns. Why the peer pressure? If you’re happy with your budget and the quality of Sbs you get for it then be content with that and let others set their own budget that works for them.

A lot of people do practical and moderate. Minimal is for your backpage pros who give you chlamydia everyday. No one would fuck your fat, ugly, bald head ass for shitty minimal spare change.

Sincerely, common sense

SDsays:

SA should do away with all the stupid categories and just leave it as Negotiable. Both Minimal and High send the wrong messages. One cheapens, the other entitles. The exact allowance dollar amount will not be determined anyway until after a few face to face meetings.

Anonymoussays:

or, MAYBE they abandon their profiles because they get low balled by enough ‘SD’s who are trying to save money on their escort or pro habit, so they heard from their mates they can find many young naive girls that do not know any better and try to get them for a week for what most escorts charge per hour. It is not even about the money but how the girls are treated and the mind set the guy has when looking for an ‘arrangement’. They don’t care about the girls and only want the most bang for their buck. The girls either laugh at the low offers and bad salty behaviour from the guys, wait for something better with someone who actually cares about them or their well-being or they leave SA out of disgust for guys trying to pull that obvious dodgy scam.

Anonymoussays:

i love the rinsers who come here and think that they will get 3k a month or more just cause they are young, pussy is a dime a dozen, i advise you to go to school and make your own money, rich guys do not need to spend exuberant amounts of money to get young cunt, deal with it

Anonymoussays:

Almost every other profile says this:
Not really looking for sex. Looking for a rich daddy to spoil me and show me around because I am young and pretty. I love the finer things in life and I’m worth it. I am the best arm candy you can find. Monthly allowance plus shopping required.

Anonymoussays:

At the anon above, they do and they have been doing it for eons. Your ugly old ass needs to get on with the times and get over yourself. Learn what the word rinser means. And then learn cheap and salty too. You will need it as you will be called that a lot on SA.

If you don’t like it here you can move on. Clearly it’s not working for you or you would not be complaining. Change your attitude, maybe. An exorbitant is all relative.
Bye John

Anonymoussays:

No one wants to hear your findings, idiot. Your ‘experiment’ will not change anything or the reality that there are people who are able AND willing to gift moderate and higher. Worry about yourself and your own money and not what others do.

Tsays:

Damn you’re a loser. Is this how you spend your time on SA? You’re never getting a SB with that attitude. Stop doing ‘findings’ and start doing meet ups. If there is a SB for you who accepts minimal, great. Don’t try to change people’s expectations. If you couldn’t find a SB until now the problem lies with you and you may have a lot of shortcomings. Maybe SA isn’t the best option for you. If you cannot afford to spend money on a sugar daddy website, then stick to real life dating.

YUP! TRUTH!!!

Anonymoussays:

Do you see the future? The anon above is actually doing the same thing you stated. Funny

elainesays:

@Anonymous

Calling some one “fattie”, “old and wrinkly”, “unattractive”, “hard core feminist”, “3 holes and 2 legs” or other gems, WITHOUT actually knowing this person or his/her looks, is not shaming language in your opinion?

You look transgender because of your masculine features. That is probably going to scare a lot of guys off. The profile is well written though.

anotheranonymoussays:

Crazy or what? Does the on-line experience when exchanging messages here on SA preclude basic courtesy? Specifically, after exchanging multiple messages the other person simply quits. No ‘thanks but no thanks’, ‘get lost’, or a simple ‘I don’t think this is for me, good luck with your search’. I can understand ignoring an unsolicited ‘Share your picture’ or ‘What r u looking 4’. But to me, it’s like hanging up the phone without saying bye. Is that crazy or what?

It is bad matters, rudeness or plain ignorance.
So why on earth would you want to follow up on such person?

Makes no sense to me…

maineman2.0says:

Exactly!

Anonymoussays:

@Elaine
I am not talking about professional SBs who have it well oiled. I am talking about someone who is unsure, doing it for fun and not taking it all too seriously.
I would normally only suggest something that worked for me.

PUAs learn women’s games in their minutest details, and then teach how to play female games better. Those who already know how to charm women don’t need PUA. But those who are clueless need PUA.

anotheranonymoussays:

I don’t take it personal, and understand the ‘don’t care whether she comes, stays, lays, or prays. I mean whatever happens, your toes are still tappin’ mentality. But who doesn’t teach their kids that manners (still) count in this world, and that includes on-line etiquette (duh, answer my own question here, the mom’s that do it also)?

Women are master manipulators when dealing with beta-males.

Anonymoussays:

“Shaming language” does not work on women.

Empty promise of the use of man’s resources does work on women.

elainesays:

Do I have to name some of our self pronounced “Alpha male” bloggers here, and examples of their continued women shaming language?
Do the words “fat” “old”, “feminist”, “unattractive” etc. ring some bells?

And all cheap “SD” losers on SA, trying to shame SBs into sex for free by playing the
“you don’t want to sound like and escort, would you? ” or ” if you ask for an allowance it is prostitution” card?

And these are only some examples that just came up, the list is endless though.

Shaming language is a tactic weak losers, male and female, try touse to reach their goal when they are not capable enough to reach it in another way.

The one who did return the money was Mexican from Mexico needing money to extend her stay by signing up for English as a Second Language course to get student visa.

Anonymous24Girlssays:

Ive had a lot of bad experiences but have learned much from this blog. Been talking with one POT SB. Had one date, which went well. Been talking quite a bit. She asked to borrow a small amount of money. I asked when she would pay back. Of course, if everything was in place, I’d gladly help her out without recourse, but well, the “not until the panties drop” resonated nicely with me, so hate to be so blunt, but you know. She asked “who is the SD here?”…I get it, but whats the best way to respond to get this thing over th3 goal line, for lack of a better phrase?

Crass perhaps, but I always say the ATM has a pin code for a reason!

Anonymoussays:

So she’s said that shè’s platonic?

Jaybird923says:

Tell her “I’ll gladly take care of my SB and while I like you and enjoy spending time with you I don’t consider you as such until we are in an arrangement. When you’re comfortable enough with me to be intimate I’ll be happy to start giving an allowance”

If she’s trying to string you along she’ll give up and move on when she knows you won’t be easy prey.

Also stop asking girls to pay the money back just say no. They aren’t going to pay you back if you do give it to them any way. Repeat after me no money changes hands until you start an arrangement

Anonymoussays:

No woman will EVER give you the money back.

Anonymoussays:

Give her the money. Presumably you won’t miss it. She is testing you, but we don’t know what for until you cough up the cash. She figures there is no way she is going to sleep with you, but might try to get a few bucks, OR she is testing to see if you are giving and generous, in which case she might be willing to get more involved.

SD: It is up to you if you want to meet or not. I don’t lend money to someone I have nor even met.

SB: Well I kinda need to know if you can help me. If not I need to try to figure something else out.

She has vanished. I have blocked her.

rembodlersays:

I will say it very carefully: it is possible to break the rules and still come out OK. While Rules are important, your intuition and understanding of the specific situation take preference. While, generally speaking, forwarding money is a bad idea and most likely will result in money lost, that is not always the case. Remember, we do not know your specific situation. There is an exception to every rule, and even the “no money till the panties” rule that is near and dear to all of us could be overlooked if you know what you are doing.
Say, if I were “taking quite a bit” with a POT I would know whether she is worth a bit of a risk. Anyone who plays chess knows that you should not normally give away your rook for the enemy’s bishop. Unless you know what you are doing.

That is the #1 issue here, most of these sd’s do not seem know what they are doing, nor do they have common sense, atleast the ones who come and admit to needing help here, this isn’t rocket science

rembodlersays:

What is the point of whining about “oh, he has a cheek to ask for my private pictures right away? How very dares he…”
It is all up to you. If you have a 100 messages in your inbox, ignore those that request the photos. If you have only two and both just ask for more photos – either send them, convince them to chat more or meet without sending any. After all, you are seeking the arrangement based primarily on your looks and these should not really be in much doubt… I see no need to complain about it whatsoever…

elainesays:

It is not really the fact they ASK, sure they want to know your looks. It is the way HOW they ask!

If writing (or copy/paste) something like: “Hello, your profile caught my interest and made me wanted to see more of you, can I see your private pics?” is too much effort to contact someone who could be your pot. SB….. Gosh, you are not even worth my answer, I just next you immediately!

Probably it is different for SDs who are in “pussy paradise SA” to “score” as many pussy as they can, in that case it probably is too much of an effort indeed.
The other way around turns me off equally btw. SDs sending their private pics without introduction.

For me that is just a matter of manners but hey! before you start telling me: I know, I am antique and old fashioned.

rembodlersays:

@Elaine
I have no reason to tell you anything of that sort. However, you can only “next” SDs if there is a next one. If you have just but a couple messages in your Inbox, you cannot afford “nexting” really, can you?
That was the only point I was making. I would say, the same, even stronger, applies to SDs complaining about rude obnoxious female members. Ignore her, block her if needed, and move on. Some women are here for that sole purpose – to tell you something mean and nasty and block you, before you got a chance to say anything back (and a gent should not waste his time saying anything back to her, really, why bother). There is plenty of pretty hungry fish in a bowl, ready to gladly swallow your bait (pun somewhat intended).

Cryptic anomalysays:

I think there is a nicer way of asking and it does say a lot about someone who is just requesting access to private pics without chatting first.

I think it is worse when SB’s do it as they are wanting money from this and yet lack the charm to chat first and then ask to see photos. I tend to ignore SB’s who just request to see my photos straight up.

I also don’t request to see photos without chatting first. If it’s going to amount to anything at all s little investment on both sides is needed.

I guess just someone to have fun with and some financial security!

Anonymoussays:

A series of qualifying questions are needed it seems.

SDsays:

It took you 49 messages to get this out of her?
You should have known by the 3rd or 4th.
You must like wasting time.
The sugar bowl is filled with cam girls, rinsers and platonic princesses. You ought to know that by now.

Only looking for online. Will not respond to anyone who asks to meet. Also have experience in financial domination if you are interested.

Kore13says:

😀 I wonder if she’s very different from a cam girl?

SDsays:

SA is infiltrated with these types. At least she is upfront with it. You can just go on to the next one. The devious and sly profiles are the ones you need to worry about. But if you know what their key words are it is pretty easy to out them as well.

Hiring a cam girl thru SA is the stupidest thing to do. The cam girls on cam sites will do all kind of shit for a low price.

Anonymoussays:

Is this for real? e71525ed

What a loser he is! This guy is no SD. It’s obvious that he’s looking for a harem of girls to do marketing for him, while he gains all the profit, and provides them with a pittance, if anything at all. People here whine and bemoan about SBs being scammers all the time, but guys like the one you listed are just as common. The sad thing is that a few younger, not as confident girls would probably fall for such a blatant con-game.

New SBsays:

Sounds like he and his partner are basically pimps. Feel sorry for the girls who actually fall for their obvious scam. They will do all the work and this loser and his partner will reap all the rewards.

Anonymoussays:

Why ridiculous? It’s the model for the Playboy Mansion, who are now down to free food and board. Hef stopped the allowances!

Jaybird923says:

It sounds like a pitch for one of those reality shows. It might actually be entertaining to watch what goes on at the dreamland mansion. Especially since Chris #1 likes to “party harder with party favors and champagne” and Chris #2 is “more Vodka and pot” lol

After reading their plagiarized profile, I like to see all of the creative angles girls try to hide their body imperfections with, to decide if I want to meet you.

Get over it if you want to make anything out of sugar dating.

Anonymoussays:

Actually I have three full body pics on display and public, my private ones are up close, which reveal my face much more. People with no pics requesting private pics is just stupid. They’re usually pic collectors.

Anonymoussays:

There are billions of photos on the Internet. And if they have not made even a slightest connection with you then your photos are no better or worse than the billions that already cluttering the Internet.

Unless I know how you look, I would not know if you are worth collecting photos of to start with.

Get over it.

Anonymoussays:

Then why request privates, can’t people read, it is private for a reason. You have all kinds out there. Fakes, flakes, pic collectors and this has been discussed before on blogs.
Plus if someone lives in a small town, and has so much to lose, it’s not worth it. Feel sorry for the sds whose name and pic comes up in tumblr activities. You don’t need to know me to know there are pic collectors. It’s a dumb post.

rembodlersays:

I have met with SBs who had one, very vague, picture in their profile. Upon actual date, two of them turned out to be very pretty young women and great SBs I had amazing time with for many months.
On the other side of that coin, I had SBs who had fairly attractive photos – just to find out upon the actual meet they were taken from a very flattering angle.
A first meet is just a few hours of the gent’s time and (at the worst) a hundred-some dollars for dinner. But makes all the difference.

The times when I still answered with “Maybe if you would ask nicely?”, most of the time they apologized and asked in a nice way if they could see my pics.

Now I don’t even answer anymore, just next them.

Robertsays:

I can say I often do this often when I feel the primary pics don’t show the person clearly enough. So many SB’s will call themselves thin when they are actually on the heavy side. And SB’s don’t show their body at all. Requesting to see private pics may mean the person wants to see more clearly what you look like. Personally I like thin girls so I want to know I’m not wasting my time.

Statistics show that most Siamese twins are up for a threesome.

Anonymoussays:

Congrats!! You win random ass comment of the day.

Kore13says:

😀

rembodlersays:

The idea of exclusivity is probably the most common upsell tactics by professional SBs. It is easy to see how if you meet someone once a week, there is no way for you to know what is that exactly she doing for the rest six days. And even if you go to an extreme and hire a PI to find out she is also “exclusive” to a few other gentlemen…what are you going to do? Stop seeing her? You can do it anyway regardless.
Genuine SBs most likely won’t try to pitch you the “exclusivity” as they think they might see someone, meet someone etc and so they do not want to commit.
On the other hand, if the gentleman himself requests exclusivity and the SB honestly plans to honor it, she can and should request a higher allowance.

As an SB I would not like to have more than a SD at a time because I want there to be some kind of connection with the man I’m intimate but I know some SBs would just like to gather more allowances.

Kore13says:

@Anon I don’t like being told or telling someone how they should be. I like a person for who they are and don’t want to force them to change in compensation for my insecurities. I’d like to have the same in return. It has something to do with respect for me – it has nothing to do with the allowance.

There was a POT who was quite interesting. This was when I was still a bit new, so I’d asked him, ‘What do you have to offer other than allowance?’ We discussed a bit.. He was willing to offer me allowance, plus my own apartment and car, as well as his help in starting up my own business. In exchange, I’d have to move to his city and be exclusive to him.

Supposing that he’d proven everything to be true as much as he could, this would’ve been a much better investment than having multiple SDs when it comes to money. (Unless you prefer not to earn for yourself, but depend on others for it.)

It confused me at first, to be honest. But I thought it’d be like selling my soul to the devil, even under the best circumstances. Even if we’d had feelings for one another, etc, he’d simply have too much control over me.

Exclusivity being demanded in exchange for just allowance isn’t as extreme, but it’s still an inch off my freedom and an inch to his control over me. Or so he might think and that I won’t let happen.

Anonymoussays:

Kore, not sure what you mean by losing your freedom. You’d be living with the man and exclusive to him in any normal long term relationship where he takes comprehensive care of you (and any children you have with him) unless the man is a pimp or an utterly incompetent man who has no choice but to pimp his gf/wife. You still have the freedom to walk away from that situation at any time.

Setting aside cost considerations, most men prefer women who are exclusive to them in the same way that we prefer our own cars and own homes, instead of by-the-hour rentals or time-shares or youth hostels sharing rooms (the alternatives are all cost-saving measures). It’s not about insecurity or even possessiveness, but simply desirability. It is a hassle to keep and maintain a woman to begin with; if she wants to be a tourist attraction, then the desire to provide comprehensive upkeep for her is gone for most men who are not interested in getting a cut and being her pimp. What’s left is merely a discussion on per-instance admission fee.

From the woman’s perspective, there is of course a nature desire garner as much attention/resources from as many orbiters as possible. It can be harmless fun before perhaps 20 or 22, when dating is about winning attentions and validation from peers and no significant material exchange is ever involved. However, after reaching certain age, dating becomes a tool for women to prospect for long term dedicated support from men, in preparation for her children and her own eventual decline in youth and beauty. That’s when she needs to develop the skills for winning and keeping a competent man. A habit of juggling multiple men simultaneously is the surest way to lose almost all of them when she needs them the most.

Kore13says:

@Anon I’m aware and agree with everything you’ve said. Still, my goal in life isn’t to secure someone else’s resources. I’d rather bring my own to the table. To be an equal contributor.

This gives me self-security as the man has his. It’s just an insurance, should things take a different road than expected in the long term.
What it also does is give me the freedom to not have to settle for the first or second or third man who walks by with his pockets jingling… (Or, as I’ve personaly known some women to do – stay in a dissatisfactory relationship.) I can wait longer to find the right person to be with.

In the meanwhile, I don’t feel the pressure to target and lock down and so I enjoy my sexual life. As a person typically might. The details don’t concern anyone but the future partner.

Although I can sympatheize with investing otherwise in feelings, I don’t when it comes to paying for them with money. I simply value things differently from you.

If a man wants exclusivity from me, he will have to tell me that I am the most important person to him. Any short of that is simply not worth it.

Anonymoussays:

Anon at 8:24am is a different Anon. My own take on the marriage potential is quite nuanced: we live in a Marriage 2.0 world, both partners can initiate divorce at any time even if there is a marriage; OTOH, honest very long term support arrangement is quite possible between SD/SB, especially if children are involved, both in terms of court-mandated child support and voluntary trust funds/donations.

As for telling someone she is the most important person, IMHO, resource allocation speaks much louder than words. A man can say the same sweet nothing to more than one woman, but he literally can not spend more than half of his disposable income on more than one person (disposable income is typically 20-30% of total income).

Of course I agree that most women should aspire to some degree of economic independence in the long run. However, we also live in a reality that not even men typically achieve their economic independence and become established in their careers until their 40’s. Chances of women achieving economic independence by 22-25, the peak of their reproductivity, is almost nil; by 30, the realistic last call to get started on becoming a mom, is next to nil. So having a supportive partner is of critical importance, despite all the nonsense talks about the “strong and independent” women who can do it all on her own, which are just propaganda designed to get young women to miss their biological clock and reduce birth rate; what the population reduction planners failed to account for is that then the far more benighted cultures unexposed to modernity would account for a far greater share of the planet’s future residents and bring on a new dark age.

Jaybird923says:

It might help if you picked a moniker. May I suggest Fisherian Runaway :-))

Kore13says:

@Anon from 8:18pm

But you very well know that a woman can work after having children.

You deem the woman’s sole/highest purpose as to reproduce?

..I can’t argue with this. To me, people are more complex than their biological purpose.

When I mentioned being the most important person, I should’ve rephrased. I didn’t mean just being told that. But I’ve also mentioned that securing resources from men isn’t that hard for a woman to do. As much as you’ve earned your money, many other men have done the same with the same intentions.

Anonymoussays:

“Many other men having done the same” means less than 1% of the total available male population if the man is in the top 1% (most men in the top 1% are married, literally too old to engage in much sex, or otherwise unavailable). That means the overwhelming majority of women would not be able to secure such a man. The realistic cutoff for SD eligibility on SA is probably around the top 10% in income ($100k for individual income, $150k for household income), and we already see the drastic supply-demand imbalance.

There is a huge difference between being able to get male attention for a brief time vs. being able to secure significant support from men for years and decades.

The primary value of a woman in her own eyes is whatever makes her feel superior to other women at that moment. The primary value of a woman to a man who has everything else is of course sex, reproductive partner, and qualities that make for a good mother to his children (if he ever allows such); these are the values that make him pay much more than what he pays his employees at $10-50/hr.

Anonymoussays:

“But you very well know that a woman can work after having children.”

Of course, having a career after having children is a good idea, for her own long term emotional well being, if nothing else. Having a comfortable living standards covered back home by a partner would give her much greater negotiation power in the work place. You may even know a boss’ boss who is female making $200k/yr or more. Chances are that she is married to a man making even more than she is. In the last decade or two during which she rose up the corporate ladder from where you are to where she is, how many candidates were washed out? 10:1? 20:1? 50:1?

The average working woman makes only $25k or so in the US; that’s women of all working ages who are employed, including women much older and have much more work place experience than the typical SB age group. For every exceptional woman making $200k, it takes 35 women making $20k to bring the average back to $25k.

Why do those 35 women, many of whom have children, take those $20k jobs? Because they are not in a position to hold out for a higher paying job or to explore better business opportunities of their own.

Care free and fun young university student in Toronto looking for a fun way too make a little money to pay for school.

What I’m looking for

SDsays:

I saw another SB profile in California with a “High” expectation.
She said there would be no actual meeting in person. All she does is mail panties and talk dirty over the phone.
(She’s probably mailing her grandmother’s soiled panties)

“Officer, I was not going to wear the French knickers! She told me she had worn them for a week herself! Are you implying I am the sort of pervert who likes to wear women’s panties?!”

FormerAnonsays:

I read one the other day that was “high” expectation and she was kind enough to let us all know that there would be no intimacy and that if you were looking for intimacy then YOU WERE ON THE WRONG SITE there are other sites for that…what a complete and total joke who tells these idiots to come here and try and redefine the terms of what a SD has been since pretty much forever…..there needs to be a site for high maintenance platonic airheads and dingbats that live totally outside the realm of reality

I think it’s what SA markets. Blame them.

What I do not get is the sds who come on a sugar daddy site to get married, look for love, no financial help because they don’t do that etc.

SDsays:

The ones who explicitly state in their profile platonic only do not bother me. Actually they save me a lot of wasted time only to find out later. I just ignore them and move on to the next one. The ones who are sly about it and use “code words” to string you along and dangle the carrot in front of you are the ones you need to worry about.

@IHF There are websites for selling used panties. Some really fetch a good price, especially if the panties are high quality and have lots of things in them. 😀 😀

She’s definitely on the wrong site.

NYSDsays:

Can anyone school me on the first meet and greet etiquette and mannerisms?
I have one with a SB tomorrow and I thought about buying her a beautiful bouquet because I have no idea what women like. It’ll be just a gesture of appreciation. Any other ideas??

I have to be very well connected with someone intimately. Sometimes it’s really hot and erotic. Other times I just don’t feel like walking to the bathroom to spit it out ;p.

Not blowing any cum bubbles, though. Huhn uhn

Well…maybe. Maybe I would blow cum bubbles. Depends.

Bartolosays:

@Jay — swallowing is very intimate, to me. It induces a very powerful and draining “response” from me. The intimacy factor of course requires the feeling that I WANT to feel intimate with the partner. But I’m unlikely to ever get that far if I don’t have that feeling.

@Bartolo I want to make sure I understand you correctly. You’re saying that you find the act of her swallowing semen to be very intimate and that you feel a closer bond with her?

yougottabekiddingmesays:

@Jay re your question to Bartolo:

That has been my experience. When I feel closely intimate with someone, I want to experience all of him. There is something highly pleasurable in satisfying him to absolute completion without interruption of my warm, wet mouth around him. I enjoy feeling him pulsate in my mouth, and knowing that he finds pleasure in having me want and take all of him.

For me, both giving and receiving oral sex are highly intimate. A romantic interest once told me that he wanted to drink my juices. Said he wanted all of it. I had three thoughtgasms. In public. Talk about poker face.

It’s a matter of reception. One’s desire to give must be in sync with the other’s desire to receive, and vice versa. There is no amount or skill of stimulation that will elicit a favorable response from someone who isn’t connected and receptive on a certain level. Which is what I think I understand Bartolo to mean.

Am sure, though, that for some, it matters only that the other has a mouth with which to receive.

Kore13says:

.. I’m having trouble believing that this is really from YGTBKM.

Jaybird923says:

@YGTBKM I agree that the act is very intimate more so than actual intercourse for me. I won’t go into details. I think you did an excellent job describing everything.:-) my question wasn’t about performing to completion but why it was such a big deal to swallow.

yougottabekiddingmesays:

@Kore

‘Twas me. Forgot to log in.

@Jay

Am glad you find my description adequate.

I kid, but am serious.

A bit unfiltered, but that’s the point. It’s the reason why swallowing has such a drawing and “draining” affect. Raw, unfiltered, primal desire that’s predicated in intimate connection. The consummation of benevolence and submission.

I have never been asked to swallow, and have never been the recipient of surprise ejaculate. I find it polite etiquette to inform a lovely lady of impending climax. In the earlier stages of a relationship, I’m more likely to heed the warning. The more intimate and close we become, the more likely I am to ignore it, and the more likely he wishes I would.

Getting to know how he tastes is a big step towards intimacy for me.

Kore13says:

@Jay I suppose men get a kick out of it because it’s a sign of acceptance.

yougottabekiddingmesays:

Thanks for looking out, Kore

Re having a part of him inside of you…

Say that loud enough, and you’ll find yourself with wealthy SD and a standard of living 16 times the national average.

Yes, that is probably the most intense. A complete loss of inhibition. There have been times when Ive really craved it even though, in my mind, I did not want to get pregnant. The warring of innate drive and logical reasoning!

I wonder if the intensity or appeal heightens or weakens if either person is unable to readily procreate ie vastectomy, infertility, birth control, menopause etc.

Jaybird923says:

@YGTBKM AND @Kore don’t you guys find it amusing that we are the ones discussing and interperting the reasoning behind swallowing instead of the guys? You’d think they’d jump at the chance to explain and maybe create a few converts :-))

Kore13says:

@YGTBKM My ex wanted to have children with me and I’ve associated it with attraction since. I can’t think about being serious with someone who’d tell me that having children would never be an option, despite not wanting any in the near future.

@Jay 😀 They’re being shy.. If porn is anything to go by, I am sure that they’d like to put their come elsewhere on/in a woman’s body as well.

yougottabekiddingmesays:

Yes, it would be interesting to have perspective of some of the guys. Have discussed this topic with love interests before, and they’ve pretty much said what I shared above. Could be just my experience, though, or perhaps lighter, woman-friendlier? answers that they gave me.

@Kore

Have experienced the heat of the moment “I want to come inside you,” from him as well as from my desire to have him inside me. Have also been a bit startled by the request, and even startled one by requesting myself. After the fact, refraining seemed like the best judgement.

Did have a lover who had a vasectomy. Is in his early 30’s but decided he didn’t want kids some time ago. Can’t quite recall craving his semen, though we did have a really beautiful and intimate sexual connection. I think that, in my reasoning mind, I was more at ease without the risk of pregnancy regardless of what primal attraction I had toward him.

Anonymoussays:

You mean a 68 year old fat bald geezer handing a bouquet of flowers to a 19 year old girl in a restaurant is not “low key”?

SB TVC15says:

I agree. I feel uncomfortable receiving flowers outside the home because then I have to take care of them, put them somewhere, not drop them etc., until I can get them home. It’s just awkward. It’s much nicer to receive them at home where you can immediately put them in a vase.

For a date gift, how about a nice pair of diamond earrings that she can easily slip into her purse? 😉

A pair of diamond earrings might be just a tad bit over my budget if it’s in correlation with the allowance which is 5k (nyc is expensive). Maybe if she wanted it to be part earrings and part money.

Anonymoussays:

@NYSD

You are at risk of being soaked, and make a very short-lived arrangement that makes both resentful. Remember, she is the one showing up for job interview. Women do not respect you if you give away the shop. Pace yourself and pace her expectations. Be prepared to interview at least 3-5 girls, 90% of whom would be willing to arrangement with you, then pick one and stay with her for a while . . . instead of jumping into the first one then regret later.

You are not a true SD. Salty!

Anonymoussays:

she is right, a true sd would be making her perform ass to mouth after dinner

NYSDsays:

I have given bouquets in the past for meet and greets so no biggie, even if there’s no chemistry she can keep those as a gift as I’m not walking around with flowers. But I wanted another idea on a new gift just to change the routine perhaps. It’s just a token of my appreciation and it’s worked in the past, SBs were really grateful.

SB TVC15says:

“I’m not walking around with flowers”

Exactly, and she doesn’t want to either.

“SBs were really grateful”

I would be grateful too, if a guy brought flowers on a date outside the home. I would think it was sweet of him. I would ALSO be a little annoyed, secretly, because I don’t want to have to carry flowers around.

A book. Ayn Rand’s Anthem is a good one.
I had one that loved to read.

NYSDsays:

Thanks for the great idea, I might just get her a book which will provide a good read.

Jaybird923says:

1) Did she say she enjoys reading 2)If she does did she tell you what genre she enjoys 3) If she’s a real college student she probably has no time to read books for fun on top of the ones she needs to read for school.

NYSDsays:

1. Didn’t talk about reading, though it’s one of her likes in her profile, but it might be generic.
3. It may be true, but most people don’t read the gifted books either, they usually stock it up somewhere in their piles.
Do you have any other suggestion?

Not everyone likes to read.
When you read her profile and profile her, what do you think?
Of course there are the safe bets….gift certificate/card.
Too impersonal, though.

Jaybird923says:

lol 1) It has been my experience that most people who say they like to read are liars. Ask them what’s last book they’ve read and they freeze up or give you a BS answer like the WSJ. 2) Why waste money on a gift that will not be used or appreciated? 3)I suggest if you must do a gift do a gift card. Get one of the Visa/MC/AMEX ones that you use anywhere that way she can pick something she actually likes. 4)You went from #1 to #3 what happened to #2?

You are welcome. Hopefully she turns out to be what you are expecting and deserving of the thought and effort you’ve put into trying to please her. Good luck

NYSDsays:

Thanks, I hope so too. I’ll keep you updated of how it went.

Kore13says:

@NYSD It doesn’t really matter what you get – it’s the thought that counts. I always laugh when men buy me something to wear. I’ve never received something that I would’ve picked out for myself, but end up wearing it nevertheless.

A bracelet or a little brouche is fine. TBH, I don’t like mass produced things as much. So an object from what has value to you would have more value to me.

My exbf gave me vialed water from the near bottom of an ocean from his last expedition. I found it impressive and still have it.

AnonymousSSSDsays:

I never do gifts on first meet and greet. Waste of money. Play it cool. Talk and get to know one another. Talk about allowance and your expectations at the end if the meeting was good. Save a gift for the second meet.

Anonymoussays:

?

You sound mad that she likes BBC. And no, not the British Broadcasting Corporation.

FormerAnonsays:

if I had not seen more examples of stupidity in real life I would think that has to be fake…..from the stupid screen name to the photo where even the cat is rolling it;s eyes at the stupid idiot holding it to the tag line under the screen name to someone asking for money that hates capitalism and also “oppression”…..as if getting cash to cuddle (this idiot really expects platonic) is “liberating” (I suppose it is in a way liberating some fool of their cash)

they like “gangster” cRap (not even just regular cRap)….nice…and they are looking for a “powerful black man” for “cuddles” yet they are flexible on gender and ethnicity…..but not the cRap

the look on the cats face says the cat must know how to read and was reading that stupid profile as it was typed….poor cat

IHF2030says:

The average black male in America has a negative net worth so I do find that amusing, I must say. And these social justice warriors who hate capitalism but are seeking to be rewarded by men who have benefitted from capitalism are especially entertaining.

This is not a race issue, it’s just that invading a land is not cool. Not only the US but also the latin countries where the Mayans and Aztecs dwelled.

IHF2030says:

Whites, Solutreans were in the Americas first. The Asiatic current so-called Indians invaded, at a later time.

Anonymoussays:

Migration, invasion and inter-breeding are standard practices in human history. Otherwise, “whites” would still be blacks in East Africa, if not for migrating/invading to Europe and interbreeding with Neanderthals already living there.

Galaxysays:

They didn’t invade it, if anything, the Neanderthals would have won, they were huge similar to monsters. I think the inter-breeding part is true because the Neanderthal women weren’t that gorgeous in looks…

Actually, that ridiculous, nonsensical “Out of Africa” theory has been thoroughly debunked.

Galaxysays:

I think he was talking about the time when the continents were joined as one.

Anonymoussays:

Adult Neanderthal males were about 5’4″-5’5″, 170lbs. While taller and bigger than our average Cromag ancestors, Neanderthals were not that much bigger. Cromags had the advantage of communication/organization/trade, so the Neanderthals were out-numbered at each conflict; i.e. Cromags defeated Neanderthals in detail, if you will. The interbreeding was probably the result of the smaller Cromags males taking over the bigger Neanderthal females after killing the Neanderthal males. Think about it, if the Cromags had allowed their women to choose, we’d all be Neanderthals today as our female ancestors would have picked the taller and bigger Neanderthals with lighter skins and reddish/blond hairs.

Anonymoussays:

The “out of AFrica” theory is the predominant theory. Most alternative/competing theories only postulate multiple waves of migration out of Africa and/or at an even earlier date than about 60k years ago; i.e. don’t change the substance of African origin, just different time frames.

Anonymoussays:

“…I always cringe when I read these posts. I am man are you in the process of making a harem? What is the purpose of all these ‘minimal’ SBs when you could choose only one SB who caters to all your needs and won’t feel the need to get another. Sounds kinda perv to me…”
I always cringe when I read posts like that…Man, Puritan indoctrination is still so strong in good ole US of A. If one does anything outside “one man – one woman” s/he is a perv. I guess it is now Ok over there when two men want to have each other on the butt, but having multiple sexual partners…is still a mortal sin? Funny, it even finds its way here, on SA blog, where most ppl should theoretically have a much more liberated view of what is and what isn’t ok for a free wo/man in a free world…

rembodlersays:

I agree.
Isn’t that what your wife promised you, she will be THAT woman who will “cater to all your needs and you won’t feel the need to get another”? Since you are now on SA, I sorta have to assume this either did not work or isn’t working so swell for you. Shouldn’t you learn from it?

Anonymoussays:

I am not married dipshit, I wasn’t saying it’s a sin or about morals I just said that maybe he should concentrate on the more emotional part of his arrangement(s) rather than just the physical aspect.
How can one do that with a hundred SBs?

Yes the quality has gone down while the expectations for free money have gone up.

As soon as SA stops egging these women on…the quality will go back up. Until then screen screen screen well.

Anonymoussays:

Maybe you should take a look at these rinser sds who want to take it slow with the allowance because they don’t pay for intimacy but are on a freaking sugar daddy site and some others looking for love and marriage. Some people…

Anonymoussays:

Skip them.

Anonymoussays:

South Fl is a pussy heaven.
I have three SBs and talking to a few more, to get a fourth one, just because I am greedy and “why not”. I am committed at 3k and have another 2k to spare. Not minimal, but not terribly high either. I strongly suggest undergrad students. Best bang for your buck.

1. Move
2. Get a job to pay for rent

Anonymoussays:

1. Don’t offer less than minimal!
2. Don’t look for a SB.

Anonymoussays:

Anon who are you to tell anybody that they should move. Saying 1k is a lot of money is kinda far streched. Only in the US…
That won’t even get you a day of hotel stay in the UK or Paris.
I think people should choose what they’re comfortable and fits their needs. The other expectation buttons are there for a reason.

Bruce Waynesays:

I stay comfortably in the UK or Paris for WELL UNDER $1k a day. I am not sure where you think you need to stay.

Anonymoussays:

I used it as a metaphor. It will hardly get you by for two to three days. I am sure no sb would like to spend all her money on that. Not judging here, I know there are people who are comfortable with minimal, but staying it’s better, the best, is just stupid to me.

I live in Paris, américain inintelligente. Thank you for saying it’s an expensive location, I know it is. I brought it up because of the anon’s post to the anon’s reply.
Vous n’êtes pas intelligent!

Anonymoussays:

If you chose to live in Paris…then be a hottie so that someone can justify paying you top eruos. Just becasue you are in Paris is not going to raise your allowance unless of course the SD has a reason to engage with you in Paris due to his time limitations.

Those who live in cheaper rent locations will not pay high allowances because Paris/NYC/SF/London are expensive.

The high allowance is for the landlord to keep allowing you to occupy his high rent apt so you are readily available to the SD. It is not for you.

Anonymoussays:

I am from Paris originally, I don’t ‘choose’ to.
I already have a great sd, I was just referring to anon’s reply.
People may choose whatever they’re comfortable with just like the poster is. There are practically 5 categories of allowances. But in the end everything is negotiable.

Anonymoussays:

I have seen a quite high number of high student sbs, actually they’re the ones who requires higher allowances most of the time, because they know they’re the ‘best’ out there by being the youngest etc. Who else would require higher allowance, cougars?

Anonymoussays:

Older women want more money because they are delusional. They want you to pay for their rent,mortgage, health insurance, food and child care. Young ones have fewer needs and they are busy with school. Some of their needs are still being taken care of by their parents. They just want some money to have fun or if they hit a rough spot.
There are certainly High and Substantial in this age group. Do not get hang up on it, just move on to the next profile.

Kore13says:

I know of a 33 year old, two kids from two different fathers. She had to borrow money from her mother for rent in an expensive city, which she often didn’t pay back. Never saw her spending less on make up or clothes… Don’t think she’s going to leave her current partner for someone who can’t support less than what she’s used to.

Also, she has no ‘serious’ education and doesn’t work. She gets child support from the first and I think some service from the gov.

Anonymoussays:

Now this is dumbo @Kore’s posting…

Kore13says:

@Anon I was actually posting a real example of the previous Anon’s statement being more or less true. What’s dumb about that?

In any case, delusional SBs are ones who have to justify a budget amount with personal reasons. That’s all.

A SB gets an allowance for being able make her SD feel good. If you speculate what she does with her money, you feed SBs reasons to bargain with you.

I hear SDs complaining about younger ones who might pay for their broke boyfriends and kids. The older ones want it for mortgages, etc… In the end it looks like all SBs are being blamed for their budget reasons because of how they spend it. When the truth is, it’s the type of woman who makes all these details unattractive.

A 10/10, even older, who’s well mannered, genuine, fun, etc will be worth every penny you pay towards her shoes and handbags. That’s life.

If I had known of a younger girl doing anything along those lines, I would’ve shared that as well. Most are just ripping men off for drinks.

Anonymoussays:

I hear SDs complaining about younger ones who might pay for their broke boyfriends and kids. The older ones want it for mortgages, etc… In the end it looks like all SBs are being blamed for their budget reasons because of how they spend it.

@Kore, it’s the stereotypes. Who cares what they do with their money, when they earn it. Focus on other things. Life is too short. Older women may use it for mortgages, younger women for businesses and loans about which the sds complain about, the even younger students you mentioned probably use it on shoes and bags, which you’re still complaining about. What should they use it for then?

Kore13says:

@Anon When I make fun of SBs spending their money on luxury goods, it’s because of how they often try to justify it – which comes across as superficial to me. Summing it down, most girls say, ‘hey pay me because I’m pretty.’ Rather than, ‘thanks for the allowance, glad to know I am worth some of your hard earned resources.’

Their attitude and personality are the only things that really make a difference. What they do with their money is of minimal concern, unless the SD wants to care. Personally, I’d rather see a genuine girl spend money on shoes, etc rather than a fake one.

I had an example of something I consider extreme (she spent money on shopping instead of paying back rent when she has kids). IF I were the SD, there’s no way I’d pay a girl knowing that’s how she sets her priorities. Young, old, whatever.. This particular woman was younger at some point too… 😉

I’d rather not want to look too closely at these things, but should I find out that something like that were happening, I would quit supporting it or I’d help her find a job.

Kind of matters… If you don’t take enough care about a person’s personality, you risk getting scammed. You look too deep, you could get blackmailed..

Anonymoussays:

This is a two way street Kore. You’re new so I’ll excuse you. One should be grateful, but so should sd. You’re also contributing to the arrangement, and it’s mutual beneficial for a reason. Rather than thanks, I’m worth.. and the nonsense you wrote doesn’t apply to an arrangement, because there should be no worth. If you’re measuring your allowance on worth it’s not going to work, rather measure it on needs and other priorities. I agree about the extreme example though.

Kore13says:

Of course, but he’s gentlemanly towards me, takes care of me when I’m with him and shares some of his money on top of that. What more could he do to show me that he’s grateful to be with me, given the nature of sugar?

Besides, as much as it’s an arrangement, it isn’t outside normal social constructs. Even if a man’s going to give a girl an allowance, in the end, it’s by her choice. There are still other men who are willing to do the same.

Anonymoussays:

I always cringe when I read these posts. I am man are you in the process of making a harem? What is the purpose of all these ‘minimal’ SBs when you could choose only one SB who caters to all your needs and won’t feel the need to get another. Sounds kinda perv to me

The main thing is that you need to focus on filtering and screening AND not allow scammer women leading you to believe that they are rolling in dough and you need to get with their fantasy program.

Jaybird923says:

Miami is a sugar baby gold mine. I recommend upscale luxury stores. A lot of attractive college girls and “models” who are waiting for their careers to take off. The sales associates spend more quality time with you so it gives you and opportunity to flirt and feel her out to see if she’s interested and since it’s a luxury store you don’t have to try to find a tactful way to let her know you’re well off.

Also the luxury stores have client books so you can give her your number and ask her to call you when something you might be interested in comes in. Plus some of the sale associates will give out their personal number to good clients so they can contact them when they want to shop.

nonamesays:

i agree with you jaybird thats a good way to get to noticed i was going to add donating money to the local schools that way people know you have money and your doing some good ive had good luck with coffee places i do enjoy a nice coffee go to the ones that cater to more upscale clients will attract the best looking ladies the nice thing about finding a lady offsite you don’t have to deal with this allowance crap you just work out something that works for both of you

As long as it’s not a super busy place. if it is she won’t be able to stand around and talk to you. In real life has a lot of benefits. But a lot of drawbacks too. IRL takes more work and time.

nonamesays:

agreed jaybird not all will be interested or have the time to talk you have to engage in small talk and that takes time thats where a site like this helps speed up the process but as we have seen with anon and other’s its not working for them

SDsays:

cruise the local pet emporium near a local University or college. Girls LOVE their freaking dogs and there are hotties every time I take my mutt in. If you don’t have a dog -rent one.Also find out where public dog walking spots are near schools. Take your rent a mutt which gives you a talking point .

Anonymoussays:

@Donating money to a school to get noticed? You’re not that bright, are you?

SDsays:

LOL at “donating money to a school to get noticed”. Does that come with a T-shirt that says ” I donated money to a school—Fuck Me Please I Have Money”. How the fuck is donating money to a school going to get you laid? Some of the stuff written here is just stupid.

Nope. I am the real SD. You are the impostor.

SDsays:

I don’t say “fuck” -I’m way too cultured for that . I think about fucking a lot though

nonamesays:

SD not sure which one who says their donating to school to get noticed i didn’t see that said anywhere donating to schools and charities proves you have money and does good to the community its your money you can do what you like with it and yes if all you want is to get laid its stupid to do that

cruise the local pet emporium near a local University or college

CREEP ALERT!

Anonymoussays:

@noname it’s they’re..did you go to collage?

SDsays:

Creep alert ? If you see a tasty morsel what is wrong with hitting on her wherever she is ? What’s the diff with a bar pickup ? Actually out in the public away from alcohol it is a much healthier environment . I pick a really cute little dog . The girls go wild and think I am such a caretaker kissing on her little nose(doggy,not girl) Hopefully if things go well I’ll be kissing on SB noses. We will have a doggy date .

SDsays:

Keep on thinking about fucking. Maybe you can join no name and stalk the local pet emporiums. Go to the local malls too. Have you tried bookstores and libraries? I on the other hand am actually fucking. The real SD.

SDsays:

@SD impostor,poseur depending on what country you come from. I’m just trying to help my fellow SDs who are having difficulty landing a arrangement . I hate to share my secrets but it is raining pussy . You have to have some game unless you are raining dollars. Either one works ,but game is much more fun and requires some skill set .

SD while you are busy kissing the dog’s nose during your “doggy dates”, I am busy doing it doggie style with the girl. The real SD.

AnonymousSSSDsays:

Finding a sb on this site is no problem in a major metro area. I’m in Sac California and I have no issues finding women for reasonable money. It’s very simple. Write a straight forward honest no bs profile. If you’re married, say so. Don’t lie. Add a little humor. Have a few decent pics. Always be a gentleman and polite. Never get bitter or nasty. Don’t expect to snare a fricking
hot model. Look for hard working, low key, girl next door types that will appreciate a modest amount amount of extra income in their lives. Don’t be pushy or demanding but clearly and politely state what your expectations are out of an arrangement and what you’re willing to pay. Let it be known that if that doesn’t work for her then you will be on your way to continue your search. Don’t be desperate.

Now if you’re super old, fat, ugly or all three, then you’re sol. Lol!

welcome back kore nice to see someone other than anon lol

Anonymoussays:

Yeah because you’re not anonymous, noname.

Kore13says:

@noname Thank you – I didn’t see your post until now.

Yep, it’s nice when people pick a moniker instead of posting anonymously… Although, it’s kind of amusing watching all the anons argue with one another. It really is a bit like watching someone with MPD argue with themselves. 😛

It appears you missed this sentence in “Back to Basics”

“As menial as it may seem, don’t ever overlook the everyday tasks of brushing, flossing, showering and a fresh deodorant.”

Anonymoussays:

We’re thinking about introducing a new way for you to Upgrade your account using a store Gift Card such as Target or Walmart, would you do it?
Using a gift card to Upgrade your SA membership would provide a 100% discreet and private way to Upgrade your account, but you would lose about 20% of the gift card’s value upon purchase of Premium membership.

I wouldn’t.

Anonymoussays:

Is that from an email blast from SA?

Why would I want to do it when I can spend $5 to buy a credit card with zip code, top it up with amount equivalent to few multiples of $70 and pay my dues whenever I want to without disclosing any information about me.

Anonymoussays:

@Anonymous

“WhatsApp with Not so naughty

How naughty are you?
Not so naughty: As naughty as u need
I enjoy sucking, swallowing, and spanking.
Not so naughty: No sorry
No to?
Not so naughty: All of it sorry
You said you were naughty? As naughty as u need lol”
—-
This is a retarded post on so many levels…however, the blogger has been calling others retarded, stupid, etc.

Are you are expecting romance and chivalry on SA? …

SB TVC15says:

At least a modicum, plus some basic politeness… Anon’s analogy is spot-on.

Scrooge McF*cksays:

He seems to be straight to the point, she is stating she is very open minded or up for anything when she isn’t. Why would you discuss that in a restaurant or Starbucks? I have been let down before as she said she was up for anything when she defintely was not

It’s not about romance but about respect. If you start talking about intimacy details online without even evaluating chemistry expect to talk about being her paypig.

Anonymoussays:

Oh those that haven’t had any arrangements, it doesn’t matter if she is the hottest bubbly girl if you don’t click sexually or that he is the nicest guy but can’t afford you minimum allowance requirement. Sex, money, then chemistry. Otherwise you really need to be dating!

Anonymoussays:

What crap are you spouting about paypigs? You go to the Walletjes, you have 30 seconds to negotiate a deal or she closes the door. Fuck? Suck? Top off? Positions? Sorted! What’s this romancing shit? As Kore and others have said they know within 30 seconds whether the panties will hit the floor

Anonymoussays:

We have discussed this in previous blogs since sbs used to talk about money shopping income and all. So if you do no want to talk about those things don’t talk about explicit sex acts. Just talk about being intimate in general to see if she’s not platonic but what’s up with these naughty not so naughty, who does? Obvious you were gonna get nexted.

“Fuck? Suck? Top off? Positions? Sorted! What’s this romancing shit?”

Fine. Keep using that sort of approach if you don’t want to be bothered with having too many SB’s to choose from.

Kore13says:

@Rivi Why not?§ Are you paying someone just for the bang? So many SDs care about what the SB’s like, so why would the SB not care about what the SD is like? Gents for ladies. Boys for girls. Never had anything to do with money or sex.

Kore13says:

@SB TVC15 I like knowing what I want and I like men and women who know what they want. It doesn’t come across as impressive if they have to deliberate between a million manipulative girls, as opposed to making their decision and taking the risks that come along with it. The sooner you make a choice, the faster you make progress. Even if it’s a mistake.

What is your major malfunction? Where does he say that?

Anonymoussays:

He say that…you mean I say that. Now that you’ve picked a moniker nice to meet you.

Another Anonymoussays:

@ Jay

Actually I do not see it that way, true I have an allowance in mind, but it is not a set amount, so say a 10 in looks with stellar personality, stem degree and other desirable traits has better chances than a pot who is attractive but just marginally. In other words, if I am hungry, I might have $ 200 budget for a nice steakhouse dinner, but I will not pay the same amount to eat in Panera bread.

@ Kore

Maybe you should follow the whole discussion before you start commenting. Jay and myself were discussing someone else’s preferences for white girls over blacks. I wonder how that makes me egotistical and unattractive.

Kore13says:

Yes, you’re right – I lost track of Anon and you somewhere inbetween.

It doesn’t change my opinion – only that my posts are no longer directed at you, personally.

Sure, it’s only common sense to invest most in what you want most. Still, it’s pretty shit to call people ‘Panera bread’ (cheap? of lower quality?) when they have no control over what makes them ideal to you.

You’re like the SD version of these entitled SBs.

Another Anonymoussays:

@ Kore

Obviously we should quit this discussion. There is nothing cheap or lower quality about Panera bread, but it is ridiculous to say that people cannot have their personal preferences. But if you prefer better comparison, a diamond will probably fetch a better market price than ruby or sapphire. And in a way their market price is nothing but an aggregate of personal preferences of many people.

Kore13says:

It was a misunderstanding on my part.

Kore13says:

In fact, it has nothing to do with your preference. Other SDs on the blog have made their racial preferences clear. It’s just the thinking implied from what you’re saying (to be more exact, how you say it) that I think is worthy of criticism.

Ok. The everybody what they think.

Anonymoussays:

kore can ride my face any day of the week and twice on sundays

Anonymoussays:

Pussy is pussy. Say, the chick wants to meet right away in the hotel. She is young and has a pretty face, but is pretty plump.
She has not been banged for a couple months. She sees a fairly handsome older guy and she wants to be banged. She agrees to a ridiculously minimal amount, takes her panties off and closes her eyes…
It is dark in the room…so, why not?

I don’t think such amount exists LMFAO talk about the unicorn. I doubt this is true

SDsays:

This is CL or BP escort rates -qtr to-half hour. Some will BBCIM and anal for that lofty rate

Another Anonymoussays:

@Jay

Attractively as continuum

Let us say I find a pot attractive, but had she had a long blond hair instead of her current hair style, it would add to her attractivity. Or closer to the original topic, pot is attractive, but alabaster skin would move her from moderate to high.

Anonymoussays:

Long blonde hair is attractive, might as well find Donatella Versace attractive. I am into brunettes and redheads.

Jaybird923says:

If there is an immediate choice between two people and all things are equal personality, looks, intelligence, etc. But one is blonde and one is a brunette. I will choose the Brunette because I have a preference for it.

But If I come across a blonde who has all the qualities I like and I’m attracted to, I won’t give him less because of the color of his hair. Just like I won’t give a brunette more because of the color of his hair if he’s lacking in other areas. Hope that makes sense.

SDsays:

Using Donatella Versace as a representative for a blonde is ridiculous. So you like brunettes and redheads. I bet you would not fuck Donatella if she changed her color to brown or red. She is hideous no matter what color hair it is. Flawed logic.

Still brunettes are leading up, classic beauty and fiery redheads are not far behind. To me blonde just looks fake and almost always the girl turns out to be unintelligent.

Kore13says:

In all honesty, @Another, it makes you sound rather unattractive. Because the way you put it makes you sound egotistical and perhaps immature or insecure. It can easily be associated with a false sense of pride.

The difference between you and many, simply, is that they don’t delude themselves in thinking that someone is not attractive if they are not what they personally consider ideal. You make it sounds like the ideal woman for everyone is what you choose it to be.

“It’s like me saying I find you very attractive but because you’re 5’11 instead of 6’2 I’m going to ask for a higher allowance.”

As if women don’t have a preference for tall men and women don’t penalize 5′-11″ “shorty”.

Jaybird923says:

Women do have preferences and it’s true that being short is not advantages for men. I don’t consider 5’11 as short though.I just used that to illustrate how ridiculous I found the whole thing.

He found her attractive/interesting enough to not only check out her profile but to come share his find on this blog and yet simply because of the color of her skin he finds her less “valuable”.

If he was like IHF and just didn’t find women of color attractive I wouldn’t even bat an eye. But it’s the fact that he does find this woman of color attractive and yet even if she met all his needs and requirements she’s worth less. It is what it is, but it makes no sense to me.

ALL HE IS SAYING is that he likes her weight, height, body type, etc., but in a white woman…THAT’S ALL.

Another Anonymoussays:

@ Jay

So you do not see attractivity as a continuum?

Jaybird923says:

No he didn’t. He said if she were white he’d give her a high allowance. Which implies he would give her an allowance just not high. You are the one ignoring what was written and inferring your own thoughts to his comment.

Anonymoussays:

No I am not inferring anything. Based on what he has written thus far, he would not arrange with her at all.

Kore13says:

Yep, Anon’s comment is kind of stupid. If I don’t find someone personally attractive, I don’t write their profile here on the blog and say, “If he’d looked different, I’d bang him.” What’s the point in that?

“So you do not see attractivity as a continuum?”

Rephrase for me. I think I know what you’re asking but I want make sure we’re on the same page. If I’m right this could be a very interesting debate. :-))

Anonymoussays:

Even if my interpretation is incorrect, he could have other preferences…such as…he could choose to pay higher amount to a white spinner compared to a white fatso OR pay a higher amount to a tall white woman compared to a shorty white woman.

Is it possible to compare attractiveness across racial lines?
[http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-race-affects-whether-people-write-you-back/]

Kore13says:

@IHF I posted a link to a video on YT that pretty much summed up the data on racial preference from okc a while back. (Under a brown sugar blog.)

I don’t reply to so many on okc since they write me (since I’ve clearly stated on my profile that I will not chat with men who have less than a 70% match or they don’t have a profile picture that at least hints to their facial features). The majority of those interested in me are white (location, probably).

They didn’t take this into consideration? Or I don’t know if they made any mention of it. I don’t think it can be overlooked. It’s a good reason to say that the data isn’t a totally accurate representative of racial preference.

Also, OKC probably has the majority of it’s members in the U.S. where AA stigma isn’t uncommon…

Not enough info to really determine anything. Just a general guideline for dating sites based on the English speaking countries.

Anonymoussays:

WhatsApp with Not so naughty

How naughty are you?
Not so naughty: As naughty as u need
I enjoy sucking, swallowing, and spanking.
Not so naughty: No sorry
No to?
Not so naughty: All of it sorry
You said you were naughty? As naughty as u need lol

When I am messaging a women I think she realizes she’s the one sucking and swallowing, and anyone with an normal IQ would realize that. I didn’t take into account your LOW IQ 😉

Anonymoussays:

A woman*, don’t be talking about IQ if you cannot write and distinguish simple English. No, it’s not obvious, Captain Obvious. People have all kinds of kinks these days. It was stupid of you to write that shit on WhatsApp instead of on a meeting. Deal with it.

Anonymoussays:

It pointless arguing with idiots. I guess there is another meaning of “leading with”. Actually no, you are just an IDIOT!!!

Anonymoussays:

Okay for the IDIOT, you have a picture book. This picture book is 20 pages, this bit above is on the last page of your picture book.
It’s not an introduction, or “leading with” on page one. It’s from page 20, at the end? Does that make sense?

Yes I would give the same lecture. It doesn’t matter who is being under paid for doing the same job. It’s not suddenly okay because I happen to fall into the group that’s getting paid more.

If he would’ve said if she was black, asian, hispanic, I would give her a high allowance I would have asked the same thing.

Anonymoussays:

@Jay, your analogy would be correct if the “job” did not allow the employer to have personal preferences as to the color of lips he wants to kiss, color of nipples he wants to suck, color of pussy he wants to lick, color of asshole he wants to watch during doggy, etc., etc., etc.

Anonymoussays:

She’s very pretty for a black girl, but she’d have to be white to get a high allowance from me. Just my preference

Jaybird923says:

It’s not about preference. I have no issue with that we all have them. It just makes no logical sense to me that if you find someone attractive you’d reduce the allowance you’d give for no other reason than her skin color.

It’s like me saying I find you very attractive but because you’re 5’11 instead of 6’2 I’m going to ask for a higher allowance. It’s either I’m attracted to you for who you are, as you are or I’m not.

@Buttman lol only if you can guarantee I won’t be siting still for long.

Anonymoussays:

His was a back handed compliment, @Jay.

He clarified it for you…notice “She’s very pretty for a black girl…”

Jaybird923says:

I noticed that and ignored the post I was responding to the anon who felt the need to list all the sexual stuff I found that more interesting. Someone is either pretty or they are not their race/ethnicity have nothing to do with it.

Anonymoussays:

I said I would give her a high allowance but if she’d were white, as I find that attractive. But she’s very beautiful herself, for the people who prefer dark women. It’s just not me. Did not mean it to insult anybody!

As far as “the blog”, SA keeps coming with idiotic ideas…letstalksugar.com is one of them…no self-respecting blogger from here posts there…that’s all.

THIS is classic Josh.

Anonymoussays:

What’s “classic Josh”? You mean succinct prose?

anotheranonymoussays:

Bingo night is over at the OFH, so here is my question tonight. What is your preferred way to transfer money? Don’t really want to start visiting the bank for cash, and don’t want anything that can be overdrawn. So it looks like a prepaid account like Amex Serve would be best, but would those SB’s out there have a problem with that format (I transfer the SSA money in, the SB can then cash out via ATM or spend up to the limit where major credit cards are accepted). I don’t have to have her banking info, she doesn’t see mine, and can’t be overdrawn. Thoughts?

Green Dot may work.

nonamesays:

paypal works good all you need is the email thats attached to the paypal account

Bartolosays:

Thus far I have always just given cash. This may have to change in the future. I am interested in finding a relatively discreet way of doing this. Amex Serve does not seem favorable; I am not interested in putting a card that is in HER name but linked to MY checking account. There must be some form of prepaid credit card that can be reloaded anonymously (except that US banking regulations, attempting to discourage money laundering from drugs, etc., are rather strict).

anotheranonymoussays:

From what I understand, it is linked but the ‘subaccount’ cannot see or do anything with the ‘master’ account. Mostly used for giving college kids money without the ability to overcharge on a credit card (since it has the limit of the amount of money on the card). I’m thinking of trying it with my daughter first, and I’ll let you know.

Fuck virgins…that’s all I say.

Anonymoussays:

more

Joshsays:

Most men are dumb…that keeps women–including virgin ones–fed.

cryptic anomalysays:

For me unless there is an actual connection which is leading to or has led to a relationship than her virginity is meaningless. I think it would really be awkward and a bad experience to pay a woman for sex only to have her nervous as hell unsure about what she is doing.

Irony time, if she wasn’t nervous than I would also question if she is a virgin and also if it means so little to her than that reduces the meaning for me as well.

Curious to hear your thoughts Jay.

Jaybird923says:

I think a lot of men wouldn’t be able to resist the virgin. Something very primal about being the first taking something no one else will ever have. Even if she sleeps with 10/20 different guys after you, you’ll always be the first and she’ll remember your name long after she’s forgotten all the others.

Anonymoussays:

Because of her lack of experience….only in America.

Bartolosays:

The “do a virgin” thing holds no appeal for me. I am interested in being with women who love sex, and who are GOOD at it. I would not seek out a virgin, or think that ‘paying extra’ was required.

The other thing . . . I am not interested in talking any woman into doing something she is not sure about. When a POT starts wondering out loud if she “really wants to do this,” I wish her well and NEXT her. I’m not sure how many women truly want to lose their virginity here.

Beaversays:

Oh, the monkeys have no tails on Zamboanga.

Sugar Baby Monkeysays:

I resemble that!!

Anonymoussays:

Hi guys, I am a young sb from the US. I am not sure if I should call myself a SB yet. The reason is that (according to the blog) most sds here require intimacy, but I am a virgin, so truly never had intercourse.

Sweetie ,are you willing to retire your virginity in the Sugar Bowl ?

If yes then make it clear that sex is on the table but that you are a virgin
If no then forget SA and go to a dating site.

Anonymoussays:

I actually think the auctioning off of ones virginity can be a great idea if done correctly, certainly beats losing it to some young douchebag who will say anything you want to hear to take it from you

SDsays:

Geishas do that .

Jaybird923says:

Random thought… I noticed that lately SA has been really good about promptly putting up new blogs each week, Do you think it’s so we won’t be tempted to infiltrate their let’s talk sugar forum? Can you imagine if we had these types of discussion over there.

Anonymoussays:

And you have an empty mind sweetheart.

Jaybird923says:

@Noname It would be interesting but I won’t do it

Trimming my fingernails regularly (no manicures) and keeping my hands really soft. Also, I apply sunscreen regularly on my face during the sunny months or when I’m going to be outside for an extended period of time. I also avoid too much sun because I don’t want to feel like leather when my SB touches me.

Finally, I trim the manly regions regularly. I don’t go for the “men in porn” look, completely shaven, but at my age there are too many gray hairs down there, and what young thing wants to confront a whole curly mess of gray? Yecch.

I think you’re probably the exception to the rule. In my “market area,” girls appreciate what they call “good hygiene,” which means being trimmed or shaven.

SB TVC15says:

From dictionary.reference.com:

Caucasian 1. Anthropology. (no longer in technical use) of, relating to, or characteristic of one of the traditional racial divisions of humankind, marked by fair to dark skin, straight to tightly curled hair, and light to very dark eyes, and originally inhabiting Europe, parts of North Africa, western Asia, and India.

Coined by German anthropologist Johann Friedrich Blumenbach at the turn of the 19th century, the racial classification Caucasian has sparked plenty of debate in its short time in the English language. First there’s the issue of Blumenbach’s mistaken etymology: he erroneously placed the origins of the “White” race in the Caucasus mountain region. He also, not at all humbly, knocked his predecessor, Carl Linnaeus, for his singular method of studying teeth to determine race, calling it “artificial” and asserting that it “came every day to be encumbered with more troublesome anomalies.” Blumenbach, on the other hand, emphasized the importance of studying the entire skull to understand the quandary that is race.
When anthropologists first started studying race, white supremacy was popularly accepted. Blumenbach was, at least, a bit more progressive than his contemporaries, in that he believed that all men belonged to the same species, even if he considered the Caucasian race—his own race—to be the original type and the “most handsome and becoming” of all five races ( Caucasian, Mongolian, Ethiopian, Malayan, and American) in his now outdated classification.
The language of race is undeniably a sensitive issue. Words that were once perfectly acceptable become dated and offensive. In his book The Rise and Fall of the Caucasian Race, Bruce David Baum notes: “[T]he notion of a Caucasian race has gone in and out of vogue… in popular usage since it was invented in the late eighteenth century.” In a 2008 speech Hillary Clinton used the term “Caucasian”; however, the writers of the 2010 U.S. Census form opted to use the term “White” over “Caucasian” in the question about race. For most Americans, the terms are interchangeable.

I have very, very rarely ever seen what I would consider to be attractive White women with non-white males. But there are exceptions to every rule.

Kore13says:

Ok, if I am to be perfectly honest. I like tan skinned men with black hair and eyes the least. This includes Indians, Mediterraneans, Mongoloids (Turks as well)… The most appealing of them, though, are black people. I like their dark skin. Very beautiful in a certain way. A black man with light eyes is very sexy. A white man with black hair and black eyes will be just a tick less sexy since I see many more white people around me (though not with this hair and eye color combo).

I would simply opt for the white since I like the idea of genetic diversity and I more in common with blacks from DNA.

I am not a SB but oh well, you would not understand. You’re just an Anon.

Anonymoussays:

If you’re not an SB then you are gay, not that there’s anything wrong with that.

Galaxysays:

I am a high and mighty SD my stupid Anon, unlike you ‘minimal’ one (waits for the SBs to jump on your back). Why don’t you pick a moniker as well? By the way, I have been lurking on this blog for ages as an anonymous but I chose to pick a name so it’ll be easier to identify my posts. Some people continue my posts and write stupid things like the one above.

As I said earlier…you’re not a manly man…you’re a gay man in a closet…your posts speak for themselves. You may be a top, buy gay nonetheless.

Anonymoussays:

What posts, which ones? Though I can easily spot you, I have been here long enough. Why do you talk to Jay that way?
I am in your mind, you can try my stupid Anon, but never in a million years can you fool me. Done.

Anonymoussays:

They have been debating on race and ethnicity. Caucasian is their race and Indian is their ethnicity. However, in most other parts of the world besides the USA it is considered politically incorrect to call them Indians, since they are included in the continent of Asia so they are often referred to as Asian. Asian Caucasian?

Real SDsays:

You guys still discussing about India huh? It’s a butt fuck third world stinky country with a lot of stinky people in it.

cryptic anomalysays:

I knew a woman who backpacked around India, she told me a story about how when she returned to her room one day there was an Indian guy hiding under the bed who reached up and tried to grab her handbag, as he was searching he found her breasts and also tried to feel her up. She hated the place, in fact I am yet to meet anyone who has been there who has liked it.

Anonymoussays:

He wanted to score a combo, of course, that little stinky Indian shit. Then he went home and bragged to all his friends. Story ends.

Kore13says:

@Cryptic I have many, many stories about Inbdia being nasty. Still, it’s pretty dynamic and there’s a lot to be enjoyed there.

I know of quite a few whites who’ve lived there for a while… It’s obviously worlds apart from the first world countries and it really makes an impression. Good or bad, it’s typically a lasting one. It’s definitely not a place for the careless. When things go wrong, they go ugly..

Kore13says:

@Anon And get hired as your medical doctors.. Tsktsk. Strange world.

cryptic anomalysays:

@Kore- Yes there are some white areas there, I am trying to think of the city I think it might be Goa that has a high level of Europeans living there. It has been described to me by an Indian guy I know as being very different to the rest of India. Are you online now?

Kore13says:

@Cryptic Goa’s infested with tourists. Mostly wannabe hippies on a drugs sex and rock and roll trip. I can’t tell you of a place that is really white in India. I don’t think it exists since there are small locales in every major city for expats/workers.

@Anon I don’t smell as bad as I’ve known some other girls to smell and I’ve been told so. I’m sure you’d eat me out much after that. :*

Kore13says:

white girls, might I add

cryptic anomalysays:

Worked with an Indian guy who was Australian born and raised so basically he’s Aussie, he hated curry and Indian food in general as he said it stunk. It was funny when the other Indians called him racist. That was also the same time I realized what a joke the word racist is, just use it when someone says something you don’t like and all is good.

And calling an entire country criminal and racist isn’t racist at all.

Anonymoussays:

It is not…when it is a fact?

Fact sheetsays:

Please show me your facts.

Anonymoussays:

@Jay
Do not let them bully you.
You were correct to state that the term “Caucasian” meaning “White American” is largely restricted to the US. That technically does not include Indians. The current U.S. Census definition of white is “a person having origins in any of Europe, the Middle East or North Africa.” So, technically in the US Caucasian (when it is used as “white”) does not include people born in India.
However, anthropologically the term “caucasian” when it is a racial classification includes Indians.

Jaybird923says:

I agree and I suspect the anonymous knows it but won’t admit to being wrong so She’s (I’m getting the female vibe so I’m going with she)pulling the anthropology angle. I specifically asked which COUNTRY classify Indians as Caucasians for a reason.

Jaybird923says:

@Buttman Eeewww! You can lick somewhere else. Tastes like a lemon ice sweet, tangy and refreshing. You’ll like it a lot more…

Kore13says:

Thought it was a man.

As I’ve already said. I’m proud of being myself, appearance and personality. I’ve also said what type of men and women I think I find attractive. According to my own taste, I down’t see any reason to be ashamed of myself, knowingly, anything other than what people would typically understand. Indians being Caucasian is a surprise to me as well. (Hmm, the word does have ‘Asian’ in it, so not a total surprise. I will look it up later.)

Given, desîte being Indian in ethnicity, I am not on SA to help my parents arrange a marriage. 😀 My mind isn’t Statian for that matter either. Nor is it German….

I’m a SD Jay, just to let you know. I just hate debating with people like you who clearly know nothing of this topic. Maybe Kore knows a little, but you don’t.

Jaybird923says:

You have no debated anything with me and have not demonstrated that you are indeed knowledgeable on the subject the only thing you did was post a link to someone else opinions and observations. And the proceeded to misinterpret them. But whatever I’m done “debating” with you for today.

Lol Anon, your last sentence says it all. In race terms, Indians ARE Caucasians. But in the words of Real SD, India is a stinky butt fuck 3rd world country.

Kore13says:

Good to know, Real SD. It’s one of the places in the world in which people actually wash their butts off with water after every shit. It’s more hygenic than wiping (less stinkier), but hey, what do you care, right?

Because everything in India sucks, I can’t find a good thing to think about it.

Kore13says:

Anonymoussays:

You were correct to state that the term “Caucasian” meaning “White American” is largely restricted to the US.

Anonymous, if you really believe that only white Americans are the only Caucasian people in the wholeee world, you must be that stupid, that it’s offensive. Caucasian race includes also people from the Europe like the UK, Australia, Russia, Germany….and the list goes on. Did you miss some classes at school?

You’re an idiot he said “the term “Caucasian” meaning “White American” is largely restricted to the US.” not that the US was the only place who had Caucasians.

Anonymoussays:

Since when did Caucasian mean ‘White American’? You’re an idiot.

Kore13says:

Since when was Germany not a part of Europe? 😀

How does the definition of a term change because of a misconception?
If the majority of the people use a word a certain way, it would make sense to use it that same way to effectively communicate with them. Knowing the actual meaning isn’t a bad thing.

Holden Csays:

Catcher, you are such a GD Phoney!

Catcher 22says:

@Bruce Wayne:

Yeah, @FatB’Stard is bitter. And, as @Elaine and others have learned, very nasty at times. But you gotta admit, he IS effing Funny in his own inimitable bitter, nasty way. Loved his comment about requiring a wide angle lens to take his selfie.

Anonymoussays:

Your Anonymous huh?

Anonymoussays:

You’re and yes I am, do you have a problem with that, Anonymous?

Anonymoussays:

The balance of the content out there is awful when it comes to SDs vs SBs. From reading about “Salt Daddies”, I am sure there is another side to the story. In all fairness, no doubt there are guys on the site that are strictly looking for $100 for 2 hour action. In all fairness, there are girls looking for the same. Just got to filter through it. Yeah, ok, a lot of the guys are 60 and maybe not in the best of shape, but that’s pretty much to be expected. All of the SB blogs and calling out of SDs just scare the legit ones away. And just because a POT SD doesn’t say ‘yes’ to every spending whim or amount means that he is ‘salt’? How about that girls that strictly try to get as much cash as they want by putting on an act vs. finding something real (which if both sides did their research and had some patient, would be able to identify some real connection and verify if the POT SD had some cash). Maybe there are ‘salt babies’? Maybe bringing sex into the blogs and ‘letstalksugar’ is too much, but it’d be nice to start drafting up some stuff in these blogs educating POT SBs about the nature of non-platonic sugar relationships and what is expected. If you’re a POT SB and only want platonic and are clear about that, then that is fine. But, let’s be honest here – if a POT SB really likes a guy or a feels a connection, the affection and intimacy should come natural with the added bonus of doing great things, getting nice gifts and some cash which is unheard of in today’s dating world. Also, financial education for POT SBs. Going to a $50k a year school, taking out loans and then demanding an SD to take care of it does not show much responsibility. $100 in your bank account? $1000-$2000 should be a miracle vs. demanding $5,000-$10,000 for nothing in return.

Anonymoussays:

Well Anon as you know sugar means NSA, not a regular relationship so most women naturally are not gonna want to be in that, besides of necessity. They want security, a long time partner and get married eventually.

Kore13says:

That was a bit hard to read as a lump of text.

I haven’t said it before since there are quite a few men out there that don’t understand what ‘no’ means. But the truth is that if a platonic thinks you’re her knight in money armour and the unicorn he’s atop, she will most likely bed with you. That is, if she isn’t wearing a purity ring.

I used to be one of those. I just didn’t have any lust until (between my first and third boyfriend) I met the right guy. It changed everything. Yep, the right guy to fuck your brains out (but quite in the meaning of blowing your mind with the added physical attraction) will wake any zombie girl to her senses. That’s what I think since that’s what happened to me.

I didn’t have good experience when I had Moderate-High in my profile. Too many rinsers and escorts used to write me from all over the world.

Anonymoussays:

If SBs wrote you from all over, it’s obviously because of your budget, but that can’t be a bad thing. The more messages the better. Plus not all people from overseas are rinsers or escorts. There’s a world outside the US, go see it.

Interesting. I’ve been a Negotiable for nearly eight years. I get a fair amount of responses, including those from outside Los Angeles, where I live. I have it clearly written in my profile that I’m only interested in local SBs, so when I get one from out of the area, I simply delete it without a second thought. Those who read my profile also see that I’m not interested in being anyone’s sole means of support, which is code for “you better have other sources of income” because my offer will be relatively modest. In any event, regardless of all the disclaimers, I have had an absolute blast and I have had long term relationships with women who would never have given me the time of day. For many, money isn’t the objective. They want the benefits of a boyfriend (sex, someone to talk to who understands them) without a commitment. Frequently that means older men because most of them have told me that guys their age are self-centered, pathetic losers.

Look up what countries classify Indian as Caucasian? Maybe you should look up the meaning of Caucasian..

And by the way thank you but I’m not quite a genius I missed it by a couple of points I’m classified as gifted or very advanced.

Kore13says:

India’s large. Well, it might not mean much to the United Statian… Some carry some genes that could be traced to Europe, sure. Especially with conolinsation.

Yes, I am Indian. In their defence, they might not be as modern, but there are some very feminine Indian girls that are sexier and more sensual than the western ones that have to wear a tonne of make up that clad in the latest H&M garbage to make themselves look appealing.

I can see Jay why you’re so stupid. I said look it up, Google is your friend. https: // robertlindsay.wordpress. com /2012/03/12/are-the-people-of-india-caucasians-yes/

Anonymoussays:

The only concern I have is that she seems skinny and her hip bone may poke me during doggy or cross.

Kore13says:

Well, going off on tangent wouldn’t be so stupid when it comes to people talking trash about ethnicity (I’ve seen enough stigma towards AA SBs). Of course I will defend what I stand for (by default or by choice) and I will also have enough humility to not deny some things…

I am definitely not white in the sense that anyone could mistake me for European decent. I love my colors.

Anonymoussays:

Banana is good carb…eat slightly unripe.

Anonymoussays:

She’s Indian. I know that for sure.

Anonymoussays:

i have white skin, and it is kind of annoying going out into the sun and burning after 5 mins, never thought of it really, maybe that is why I always preferred the olive skin toned women, the Mediterranean look

Anonymoussays:

To the anon above, it’s called being female, part of the two genders in the world (planet, mother Earth) which coexist to procreate.

Kore13says:

Funnily, I prefer men who are dissimilar to me in appearance. But for women, I think that ‘full’ and ‘lively’ colors are more attractive than pale/faint ones. Guess it must just be because I’ve lived here for so long though. Who knows?

Translation they are not classified as Caucasian. They are only in that category if you have to choose between them because they have more similarities not because they are Caucasian.

Anonymoussays:

Then what am I saying? It’s Caucasian. You were denying it at first, now you’re backtracking. Indian is not a race. Therefore it is classified as Caucasian, unless mixed, then that would be mixed race.

Jay, in Europe Indians are called Asians so I am surprised that they are classified as Caucasians.

Real SDsays:

No, Asia is the continent where they are located, but they’re certainly not of an Asian race.

Jaybird923says:

The article didn’t definitively say they are caucasian. It admits that based on their genes that Indians don’t really fit into any of the known groups but if they had to classify them based on genes alone they would have to put them in the Caucasoid group because they had more similarities. In the North east the Indians there are considered Asian based on phenotype. What race you put them in depends on the system you use.

Anonymoussays:

Make no mistake about this. While the SD can have a most pleasant and exciting experience with his SB by presenting himself all well groomed and cleaned up, well dressed, and with good gentleman like manners, and that will definitely be a plus on the overall perception of the arrangement with a distinguished man, the main basics remain; it is an arrangement where money is definitely a MAJOR factor for most SBs.

I am one of those well presented, mature, well dressed gentlemen who was looking for a SB arrangement. When I first entered into the site, I had only minimal allowance to offer, and despite my pictures, my well written profile, or so I thought, I was receiving minimal replies or attention from SBs. That was some time ago. Then my situation changed for the better, and I was able to increase the offering to Moderate. I made no changes to my profile or pictures, and I began to receive replies and even unsolicited inboxes almost everyday. I met with a couple of them, but their eagerness for money was most evident, and things did not work out. Then, it turns out, my situation changed once more, and I had to go back to the Minimal expectation. You guessed right if you just thought I went to limbo. No more replies. I even updated my pictures, revised my profile, but no change. The only one part that changes things is the money expectation.
So, while this site enthusiastically stresses and advocates that the relationship is the most important aspect, the hard fact is that money, is, as it has always been, the most powerful drive factor for many SBs, and to be honest, why wouldn’t right if everything seems to be moving around by money.

Anonymoussays:

The fact also remains that for most SDs sex is also the most important aspect, not just affection. So yeah..

Jaybird923says:

Your mistake was that you were honest and upfront about what you could offer. There are plenty of SDs that offer minimal but they hide behind the negotiable label. I respect the fact that you were honest. Most SBs search based solely on expectation levels/income

Anonymoussays:

This is why I like sugar…arrangements (hopefully) based on what each party values the most instead of men trying to eek out sex from women in their “regular” relationships, and women trying to eek out money from men.

Cryptic Anomalysays:

@Bruce Wayne – “There is a profile in my area with several very sexy lingerie shots and then the text says platonic only. I actually questioned her about it and she responded that she needed to see what you were getting to hangout with. I asked if she was going to hangout with me in lingerie, and she responded no and that I wasn’t the one for her. She is still looking — shocking!”

I shock women the same way. Unless a woman is offering a purely hooker type service I don’t understand why they have the raunchy photos. I was chatting to one such woman a couple of months back, I actually chatted to her despite her pics being half naked because she seemed nice to talk to. We got along when we met as well except she didn’t greet with a hug or anything and wanted to wait a while before anything physical happened.

Sorry ladies but the way you portray yourselves sends a message, slutty pics indicate that you are rather free with your bodies/sexuality. If you think I’m wrong than I will walk around in a Policeman’s uniform and when you come running to me for help I will explain that just because I am dressed like a cop it doesn’t mean I am a cop.

She is real just incredibly stupid check out the link that’s in the thread it goes to her BP ad. It came up when you run a search of the phone number she posted

Anonymoussays:

Then I’m only guessing this but do backpage girls really make that much? How did she come up with that number then?

Anonymoussays:

BP girls-are usually low level escorts -generally small potatoes. I doubt an active worker would make more than $2K/month. But that is hard duty and most have a Notel they have to pay for . Or they answer to a pimp which is worse . Many are addicts as well .

A Pro who is attractive ,clean, and a good businesswoman can make well over 6 figures

She didn’t come up with the number some one jokingly offered her 25K. she had no idea that it stands for $25,000

Anonymoussays:

She thought that k stood for knotes where was silent?

Jaybird923says:

I have no idea what she thought it stood for lol it was funny at first but it got sad real fast. It started to feel like I was kicking a wounded puppy. She’s an idiot. I hope she has someone who’s more intelligent watching out for her or she’s in trouble.

Joshsays:

Isn’t Trina’s phone police entrapment phone?

Kore13says:

I actually have no idea what backpage is. Is that the part of the news that has callgirl listings? Haven’t bothered to google.

If her number is from the U.S, she still has better life conditions than elsewhere in the world.. The world’s an ugly place, but no one who’s got enough social intelligence and maturity is naiive enough to beg on SA for a SD.

Desperate as they are.. I haven’t heard of one profile that’s blatantly stated that they’re open to intimacy in exchange for a ‘lifestyle expectation.’

AliceSsays:

Josh Hello again

Joshsays:

Hello stranger.

Anonymoussays:

these slut discussions are funny. This is a sugar bowl, it is an arrangement. The only honorable thing is to stick to the arrangement terms. If your arrangement specifies exclusivity, it is a right thing to honor it. If it does not, u do not have to. If one only wanted to sleep with one person, they could find a BF/GF. Arrangement like swinging is an alternative lifestyle, it is not for everyone.

I never have any urge to call anyone slut. Do what your heart desires.

Anonymoussays:

What a great human being.

Anonymoussays:

Awwww

Anonymoussays:

Correct, sticking to arrangement terms is a fundamental to keeping an arrangement going.

Swinging is a type of arrangement, but not all arrangement is swinging; just like, you are a woman, but not all women are you.

Different types of arrangement have different values. The girl can win higher resource commitment and longer duration in arrangement and in conventional by either being prettier or being more committed to the man.

@kore are you really that stupid? Dark skinned means you’re another ethnicity other than white. Not olive, caramel, tanned whatever, it means another ethnicity. White people are not dark skinned.

Jaybird923says:

She’s not white she’s of Indian decent if I’m not mistaken. Kore says I lot of thing worthy of being stupid but where do get off telling someone else how they should identify. She’s in germany and probably surrounded by a lot of pale people that her skin is darker than. If anything you’re the one who sounds like an idiot.

yes there are some people who are genuinely stupid like that Trina character from the other blog and people who say stupid things occasionally but aren’t stupid.

Kore13says:

Must be the German influence then. (The word for, ‘tanned,’ here would be translated as ‘browned.’ Implying that it’s artifical… Doesn’t matter to me. I am what I am – attractive to some, not to others. Didn’t ever make me feel bad about the men I am interested in. 😉