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Munira aka Badri
Who told you I am Progressive.
As far as posting here---If you failed to notice,which you did-- I already posted that my e jamaat card was cancelled so I do not need to post any more information but I will be more than happy to sign my name and address for the full page advertisement in TImes of India and Indian Express condemning the atrocities of SMS AS LONG AS YOU ARE READY TO PAY THE PRICE FOR THE AD So put your money where your mouth is or your mouth has a different location giving out only hot air

“Bohras” like Munira_RV , Abuzer, et al believe that we are descended from Brahmins. If that were true, then why are we known as Bohras, i.e. traders? My personal take on the Brahmin theory is that such racist people want to believe it that way to look like they are superior to other Muslims. For example, she/he claims that her/his imams came from pure Muslima and others came from bondmaids. They forget that they are accusing the imams who had children from bondmaids of being rapists, i.e raping poor bond maids. Once a person becomes a Muslim, he/she is a Muslim and not a slave/bondmaid, a Harijan or a Brahmin. They are also forgetting that in Islam there was never a superior or lower race ; the basic principle has been “we are all equal in presence of Allah”.

These bigots come here to spew their twisted, hateful messages. My personal request to GMbhai and SBM, “ignore these idiots, let them come and bark as much as they like; if no one responds to them, they will get tired and go somewhere else”.

canadian wrote:the basic principle has been “we are all equal in presence of Allah”.

Transgenders like Munira_RV/badrijanb who are never tired of playing their broken record of their so called "Pristine" bohraism will never realise this simple fact as they are more focussed on their Imams and Dais rather then Allah (swt) and His Prophet (s.a.w.), they will never understand Islam because it is alien to their form of bohraism.

RSS cadres raised cries of “Jo Bole So Nihaal”, which was repeated by boys of the “reconverted” families, as they “returned” to the Sikh fold at a ceremony at Jivan Singh gurdwara in Guru-ki-Wadali, Amritsar.

Dinesh, Punjab head of the Samanvaya Samiti of the RSS, told the gathering: “We have resolved we will not allow even one gurdwara in Punjab to close because of Sikhs embracing Christianity.”

Claiming that 40 per cent of Mazhabi Sikhs — it is recognised as a Scheduled Caste — in Punjab’s border belt had converted to Christianity, Dinesh said volunteers had stepped up efforts to return to the Sikh fold many of the converts.

The ceremony was held days after Punjab Chief Minister Parkash Singh Badal and his son and Deputy Chief Minister Sukhbir Singh Badal criticised forcible religious conversion.

Even as the RSS and its affiliates continue their ‘ghar wapsi’ programme, a worried NDA government is readying a plan to reach out to the minority population. While Minister of State, Minority Affairs, Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi is set to tour areas which have a high minority population, actor Amitabh Bachchan has been roped in for an ad film that stresses the need to rise above religion and caste for inclusive development. The film is a brainchild of Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who personally called up Bachchan.

Meanwhile, the ad film, likely to be released before Republic Day, features Bachchan flying a kite and talking about India’s diversity and culture. While comparing the country to a rainbow, with different religions and castes, he asks, “But does education have any caste? Does development have any religion? Does progress belong to any particular sect?”

Addressing a VHP rally in Kolkata earlier this month, RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat said India is a Hindu nation and “those who are raising their voice against the rise of Hindus are selfish and have vested interests”, warning that this would lead to a confrontation.

Worried over such voices overshadowing the government’s message and agenda, top ministers of the Modi government held a meeting with RSS leaders last week at Union Minister Nitin Gadkari’s residence. Senior ministers Arun Jaitley, Rajnath Singh and Sushma Swaraj, senior BJP leader Ram Lal and RSS leaders Bhaiyyaji Joshi and Krishna Gopal were among those present at the meeting.

We were originally Buddhists; this is the real ghar vapsi, says Maharashtra activist

An estimated 6,000 OBC (1,600) families in Maharashtra have registered themselves with an organisation engaged in a campaign for ghar vapsi for ‘Buddhists’ who were converted recently. They want to embrace Buddhism, claiming it as their “real home”.

As the right-wing Hindu organisations give an aggressive push to their ghar vapsi agenda in a bid to form a ‘Hindurashtra’ by converting Muslims and Christians to Hinduism, an intense campaign by OBC organisations is on in the State to bring back people into the Buddhist fold.

The OBCs were cheated by upper caste Hindus in the past, Mr. Upare said. “Despite agreeing to conduct a separate census of OBCs, it was not carried out in 2010, which is why all the OBCs, who constitute 52% according to the Mandal commission, feel cheated.”

“We were forced into Hinduism in the 19th century, but the caste system always considered us as shudras. The present social set up does not reward us as it should. The only way is to break out from the system,” he said.

fustrate_Bohra wrote:The moment BJP came into power "Development gaya bhaad main" and the hot topic from last 7 or 8 months is RELIGION, RELIGION and RELIGION.

And the worst part is that the Prime Minister of the country, Narendra Modi is totally silent on this issue !! This clearly proves that he is complicit in the matter and by doing so he has shown his true colours and his loyalty to his parent organisation the RSS. During congress rule, Modi was vocal in criticising the then PM, Manmohan Singh calling him all sorts of names like "Maun vrath" and "Puppet of Sonia Gandhi". Modi has proved that he is no different as he too has taken a "Maun vrath" and is a "Puppet of the Hindutva organisations" !!

Look at the background of Indresh Kumar whose presence in Urus vayez is seen by Mufaddali Bohras as some major achievement :-

RSS Leader Indresh Kumar kingpin of terror strikes

The heat is on senior RSS leader Indresh Kumar, who was already blamed by Aseemanand as one of the kingpins of terror strikes in Malegaon, Ajmer and Mecca Masjid and Samjhauta express.More trouble is brewing for him as Rajasthan ATS has arrested another one of Indresh's aides - Bharat Bhai Rateshwar. He was the one who was given the task of mobilising funds for terror strikes.His confession statement - accessed by CNN-IBN - corroborates a lot of what Aseemanand had told investigators himself.

Indresh was introduced to Pragya Thakur and Sunil Joshi alais Manoj by Aseemanand at Kumbh. Sunil Joshi called him after the Ajmer blasts told him his boys had planted the bombs. Later he was told by another individual that Sunil Joshi has been murdered.

It was the murder mystery of Sunil Joshi that turned out to be the cause of biggest concern for Indresh and RSS.

Aseemanand in his confession had stated clearly that it was Bharat Bhai who gave money to Sunil Joshi for terror strikes at Indresh's behest.

CNN-IBN has now learnt that the investigators are trying to verify Aseemanand's claim of Indresh being responsible for Joshi's murder through Bharat Bhai.

So far the NIA has treated Bharat Rateshwar as a prosecution witness in the Samjhauta Blast case.

And with the fresh revelations, the investigating agency may have to look anew into his role in this network, into which he allegedly pumped in more than Rs 1 lakh.

Barack Obama, the President of America, is coming to India in order to take a special guard of honour on Republic Day. Before his arrival, Mr Obama sent a gift in the form of Richard Rahul Verma, an Indian upper-caste Hindu who converted to Christianity, as America’s ambassador to India. His father Kamal Verma and mother Savitri were pukka Hindu migrants from Punjab. Though Mr Verma does not disclose his Church connections, his name and that of his wife and children tell us the real story.

America is the dreamland for upper-caste educated Indians (mostly Hindus). Having settled there, young Indian-Americans would also like to climb the ladder of the American political system. But unless one is broadly a Protestant Christian, the American civil society does allow entry into its political space.

Not just Mr Verma, but Bobby Jindal, the first ever Indian-American to become the governor of an American state (Lousiana), and Nikki Haley, governor of South Carolina, are also Christian.

According to Peter Whoriskey’s article (October 21, 2007) in the Washington Post, “Jindal was raised in a Hindu household, but he converted to Christianity while in Baton Rouge Magnet High School. During his first year at Brown University, he was received into the Roman Catholic Church. His family attends weekly mass at St. Aloysius Parish in Baton Rouge”.

It is a known fact that except John F. Kennedy of the Democratic Party, no Catholic could become the President of America.

Ms Haley is a Sikh, but got converted to Christianity after marriage. One can list dozens of such prominent persons of Indian origin who converted to Christianity and that enabled them to occupy high positions.

The American civil society is very religious. If people of Indian origin of non-Christian religions do not take to Christian faith, they will not be able to rise to very high positions. But, by and large, the American civil society is not fundamentalist. It does not have the primitive mindset of Hindutva, or of the Islamist forces that are creating terror in different parts of the world.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi is hoping that his “Make in India” project will get lots of American investment. But what the forces around Mr Modi — the ones who are targeting Christians and Muslims through “ghar wapsi” — don’t realise is that though the American Christian capitalists believe in worldwide investment for the sake of profit, they would not come to a country that attacks the right to religious freedom.

The “ghar wapsi” programme supported, in public, by many Cabinet ministers, including Venkaiah Naidu and Arun Jaitley, is aimed at attacking the dalit and tribals, as they are mostly the ones who have converted to Christianity.

This is likely to be a major reason why the American and European capitalists are not showing enthusiasm about investing in India. Apart from the religious issue, there is bound to be fear that Hindu fundamentalists will create crisis in production and distribution with all kinds of fundamentalist agendas.

Already, World Bank president, Jim Yong Kim, has made a strong statement against caste practices in production centres and market distribution in India. UN Secretary-General Ban ki-Moon also chided India for not respecting gay and lesbian rights.

The West reacts to any fundamentalism in relation to individual rights of religion and free speech. If an anti-conversion law is passed by the Indian Parliament, the whole world would be up against India in righteous indignation. It will lead to a worldwide debate about India being a “human rights violator”, like China earlier was.

When China was imposing restrictions on freedom of religion and conscience, the Western world carried a massive campaign against it. Now China has loosened those controls in order to gain global respectability. The Americans know how to deal with forces that go against the core values of democratic individualism and religious freedoms.

Mr Obama’s answer to “ghar wapsi” programme of Hindu fundamentalist is Mr Verma. Will the saffronites dare to insist on a “ghar wapsi” programme in American embassy now? Will they re-convert Mr Verma and his wife Pinky and children Lucy, Dylan and Zoe Verma? Will they perform shuddhi on Bobby Jindal, Nikki Haley and a host of other upper-caste NRIs who converted from Hinduism or Sikhism to Christianity?

Mr Modi and his team are excited about a leader of Mr Obama’s stature being present for the first time in Independent India’s history on the Republic Day. Mr Modi, perhaps, hopes to keep his own photograph of walking besides the mightiest man in the world during the Republic Day parade in the record books of Indian history.

In my student days, there used to be a framed photograph of Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru walking by John F. Kennedy in conversational posture, indicating their personal friendship and bond. But Mr Modi is not a secular and atheist leader like Nehru who will ignore the religious background of Mr Obama. Nor will Mr Obama.

Mr Obama is half-Christian, half-Muslim and is proud of that. He won the Protestant American hearts and became the President for two terms by following his religion faithfully. “Ghar wapsi” kind of Hindu fundamentalism runs against Mr Obama’s spiritual ethic and social practice. Better to be watchful of him and his ambassador Mr Verma. Otherwise,

Dharam Jagran Samaj's Rajeshwar Singh, the force behind the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh's high-octane ghar wapsi programme in western Uttar Pradesh last year, who was quietly sent on a three-month leave by the RSS later, is back with an elevation. From the fringe body, Singh has now been promoted to the parent organization. According to regional RSS leaders, this is indeed a shot in the arm for Singh.

Singh's new designation is Chhetra Pracharak (Karyakari Sadasyata) and he will work towards augmenting the ranks of the RSS in the region. In his earlier role, he was Dharam Jagran Samaj (DJS) coordinator for western UP and Uttarakhand.

Singh made news last year in August when he converted 72 Valmiki families to Christianity in Asroi village here at a ghar wapsi event. Later, he conducted another "reconversion" in Hasayan. In December, when 200 Muslim families were converted to Hinduism in Agra, he announced he will hold a bigger ghar wapsi event at Maheshwari College in Aligarh on Christmas day, 2014, putting the Narendra Modi government at the Centre in great discomfort. The Opposition had latched on to the controversy and raised the issue for almost two weeks in Parliament, forcing the NDA government to send out signals that Hindutva hotheads need to be reined in.

He was subsequently sent on a leave.

Talking about his new role, Singh said, "I have continuously worked for the Sangh's campaigns and programmes. I will wait for the orders. Even earlier, there were orders to conduct ghar wapsi, which I followed."

"My hard work and struggles have paid off as I am now associated (directly) with RSS," he said, adding that he had proceeded on leave in January because of his failing health and not for any other reason. Singh is a chronic diabetic.

A family of 17 members here said it has returned to their original faith after having converted to Hinduism last year.

Rahmat (70), the head of the said family, told mediapersons that they converted back to Islam on Friday afternoon at Mahuar Lathia village in Achnera block.

He said that the ceremony was conducted in the presence of senior Imam, one Ahley Sunnat Muddassir Khan Qadri.

The family, Rahmat claimed, had converted to Hinduism on December 15 last year.

Last year in December, the alleged forced reconversion of about 100 people to Hinduism in Agra set off a chorus of criticism against the government by the opposition inside and outside Parliament while an FIR was also filed against an RSS wing which was said to have been behind the incident.

As the opposition parties called it illegal and demanded "strict" action, the government washed its hands of the issue, saying it had no role and that law and order is a state subject.