tec, I've watched the discussion without comment and you've brought up some solid questions, but the "Do baseball cards kill people?" argument is assinine. No, they don't. Neither do guns. Or knives. Or cars. The people wielding them do the killing. A gun kills people in much the same way that a spoon makes people fat. If you want to argue that no one needs to buy 700 rounds of ammo in a month, that's an argument worth listening to. As is the argument that nobody needs an extended magazine or an assault rifle. Hell, if you want to argue that Supreme Court's interpretation of the 2nd Amendent (that "well-regulated militia" is discarded in favor of "the people") is wrong, that's worth discussing too. The argument that "guns kill people" is base fear-mongering and a fallacy. You could grab your computer monitor right now and kill someone, if you were so inclined.

Personally, I'd like to know where the outrage is against a psychiatric community that tells us these lunatics can be rehabilitated. That has helped "inform" the creation of laws that allow a convicted murderer to re-integrate into society, where he can place a 911 call to lure volunteer firefighters to their deaths. My guess is that it's just less comfortable to say "some people can't be fixed and need to be removed from society" than it is to say "guns kill people".

Posted by tecwrg on 12/29/2012 12:56:00 PM (view original):I don't think that would be the weapon of choice. It probably wouldn't be very effective if the shooter's goal was maximum carnage in a short period of time.

So, if a gun collector wanted to have the biggest collection of single shot deringers, why should he be restricted to buying 10 per month?

Maybe it's time to address the problem rather than scream "GUNS BAD!!!!"

"Personally, I'd like to know where the outrage is against a psychiatric community that tells us these lunatics can be rehabilitated. That has helped "inform" the creation of laws that allow a convicted murderer to re-integrate into society, where he can place a 911 call to lure volunteer firefighters to their deaths. My guess is that it's just less comfortable to say "some people can't be fixed and need to be removed from society" than it is to say "guns kill people"."

so following that reasoning, are willing to have your taxes raised, in order to house these people in institutions? I'm not against institutionalizing people, but there is an obvious cost involved here, that the "pro-gun people," (i.e. tend more toward conservative, rural, anti-Federal-government) if you will, tend to usually be against any form of tax increases

and there is no chance that your taxes, already being collected, will be re-distributed for this purchase, so it boils down to a choice:

Posted by examinerebb on 12/29/2012 2:06:00 PM (view original):tec, I've watched the discussion without comment and you've brought up some solid questions, but the "Do baseball cards kill people?" argument is assinine. No, they don't. Neither do guns. Or knives. Or cars. The people wielding them do the killing. A gun kills people in much the same way that a spoon makes people fat. If you want to argue that no one needs to buy 700 rounds of ammo in a month, that's an argument worth listening to. As is the argument that nobody needs an extended magazine or an assault rifle. Hell, if you want to argue that Supreme Court's interpretation of the 2nd Amendent (that "well-regulated militia" is discarded in favor of "the people") is wrong, that's worth discussing too. The argument that "guns kill people" is base fear-mongering and a fallacy. You could grab your computer monitor right now and kill someone, if you were so inclined.

Personally, I'd like to know where the outrage is against a psychiatric community that tells us these lunatics can be rehabilitated. That has helped "inform" the creation of laws that allow a convicted murderer to re-integrate into society, where he can place a 911 call to lure volunteer firefighters to their deaths. My guess is that it's just less comfortable to say "some people can't be fixed and need to be removed from society" than it is to say "guns kill people".

I've always found the guns don't kill people, people do argument asinine myself.

Those are two separate issues. Restrictions on gun and ammo purchasing don't solve the problem in any way. Is Sandy Hook prevented under that scenario? No. Is it less of a tragedy if 12 kids died instead of 20? No. The issue is that we allow people who have been identified as "troubled" and "severely anti-social" and "convicted murderers" to walk among us because we don't want to feel guilty about the alternative. Would I pay more in taxes to keep those people off the streets? You bet your *** I would. Because it is the one and only way to prevent this from happening. Quarantine guns and those same people find other weapons. Quarantine those people and the existence of weapons makes no difference.

Posted by examinerebb on 12/29/2012 2:06:00 PM (view original):tec, I've watched the discussion without comment and you've brought up some solid questions, but the "Do baseball cards kill people?" argument is assinine. No, they don't. Neither do guns. Or knives. Or cars. The people wielding them do the killing. A gun kills people in much the same way that a spoon makes people fat. If you want to argue that no one needs to buy 700 rounds of ammo in a month, that's an argument worth listening to. As is the argument that nobody needs an extended magazine or an assault rifle. Hell, if you want to argue that Supreme Court's interpretation of the 2nd Amendent (that "well-regulated militia" is discarded in favor of "the people") is wrong, that's worth discussing too. The argument that "guns kill people" is base fear-mongering and a fallacy. You could grab your computer monitor right now and kill someone, if you were so inclined.

Personally, I'd like to know where the outrage is against a psychiatric community that tells us these lunatics can be rehabilitated. That has helped "inform" the creation of laws that allow a convicted murderer to re-integrate into society, where he can place a 911 call to lure volunteer firefighters to their deaths. My guess is that it's just less comfortable to say "some people can't be fixed and need to be removed from society" than it is to say "guns kill people".

I've always found the guns don't kill people, people do argument asinine myself.

Then I assume you believe that knives kill people, automobiles kill people, blunt objects kill people, etc. and that all those things should be regulated in the same way that guns should.

I'm not saying guns don't make it easier for someone who is predisposed to kill someone to perform the act. I'm saying that person is going to perform the act, regardless. You can't get rid of every available weapon, and getting rid of some of them won't solve the problem. It might mitigate it and make you feel better, but it won't solve it. The problem lies with the people who are predisposed to commit the crime.