Of course you wouldn't believe it considering how little is being done on this front in this country !! But the rest of the world is not going to wait for a puny little gathering of Neanderthals in Australia to get off their addiction to fossil fools.

Where's longprong58 ??

Hey juliar it's your worst nightmare LOL

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Petrol cars will vanish in 8 years, says US report from Stanford economist

No more petrol or diesel cars, buses, or trucks will be sold anywhere in the world within eight years. The entire market for land transport will switch to electrification, leading to a collapse of oil prices and the demise of the petroleum industry as we have known it for a century.

This is the futuristic forecast by Stanford University economist Tony Seba. The professor's report, with the deceptively bland title Rethinking Transportation 2020-2030, has gone viral in green circles and is causing spasms of anxiety in the established industries.

Mr Seba's premise is that people will stop driving altogether. They will switch en masse to self-drive electric vehicles (EVs) that are 10 times cheaper to run than fossil-based cars, with a near-zero marginal cost of fuel and an expected lifespan of 1 million miles (1.6 million kilometres).

Only nostalgics will cling to the old habit of car ownership. The rest will adapt to vehicles on demand. It will become harder to find a petrol station, spares, or anybody to fix the 2000 moving parts that bedevil the internal combustion engine. Dealers will disappear by 2024.

Cities will ban human drivers once the data confirms how dangerous they can be behind a wheel. This will spread to suburbs, and then beyond. There will be a "mass stranding of existing vehicles". The value of second-hard cars will plunge. You will have to pay to dispose of your old vehicle.

It is a twin "death spiral" for big oil and big autos, with ugly implications for some big companies on the London Stock Exchange unless they adapt in time.

The long-term price of crude will fall to $US25 a barrel. Most forms of shale and deep-water drilling will no longer be viable. Assets will be stranded. Scotland will forfeit any North Sea bonanza. Russia, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, and Venezuela will be in trouble.

It is an existential threat to Ford, General Motors, and the German car industry. They will face a choice between manufacturing EVs in a brutal low-profit market, or reinventing themselves a self-drive service companies, variants of Uber and Lyft.

They are in the wrong business. The next generation of cars will be "computers on wheels". Google, Apple, and Foxconn have the disruptive edge, and are going in for the kill. Silicon Valley is where the auto action is, not Detroit, Wolfsburg, or Toyota City.

The shift, according to Mr Seba, is driven by technology, not climate policies. Market forces are bringing it about with a speed and ferocity that governments could never hope to achieve.

"We are on the cusp of one of the fastest, deepest, most consequential disruptions of transportation in history," Mr Seba said. "Internal combustion engine vehicles will enter a vicious cycle of increasing costs."

The "tipping point" will arrive over the next two to three years as EV battery ranges surpass 200 miles and electric car prices in the US drop to $US30,000 ($40,600). By 2022, the low-end models will be down to $US20,000. After that, the avalanche will sweep all before it.

"What the cost curve says is that by 2025 all new vehicles will be electric, all new buses, all new cars, all new tractors, all new vans, anything that moves on wheels will be electric, globally," Mr Seba said.

"Global oil demand will peak at 100 million barrels per day by 2020, dropping to 70 million by 2030." There will be oil demand for use in the chemical industries, and for aviation, though Nasa and Boeing are working on hybrid-electric aircraft for short-haul passenger flights.

Mr Seba said the residual stock of fossil-based vehicles will take time to clear, but 95 per cent of the miles driven by 2030 in the US will be in autonomous EVs for reasons of costs, convenience, and efficiency. Oil use for road transport will crash from 8 million barrels a day to 1 million.

Insurance costs to fall by 90 per cent

The cost per mile for EVs will be 6.8 cents, rendering petrol cars obsolete. Insurance costs will fall by 90 per cent. The average American household will save $US5600 per year by making the switch. The US government will lose $50 billion a year in fuel taxes. Britain's exchequer will be hit at the same rate.

"Our research and modelling indicate that the $10 trillion annual revenues in the existing vehicle and oil supply chains will shrink dramatically," Mr Seba said.

"Certain high-cost countries, companies, and fields will see their oil production entirely wiped out. Exxon-Mobil, Shell and BP could see 40 per cent to 50 per cent of their assets become stranded," the report said.

These are all large claims, though familiar those on the cutting edge of energy technology. While the professor's timing may be off by a few years, there is little doubt about the general direction.

India is drawing up plans to phase out all petrol and diesel cars by 2032, leap-frogging China in an electrification race across Asia. The brains trust of Prime Minister Narendra Modi has called for a mix of subsidies, car-pooling, and caps on fossil-based cars. The goal is to cut pollution and break reliance on imported oil, but markets will pick up the baton quickly once the process starts.

China is moving in parallel, pushing for 7 million electric vehicles by 2025, enforced by a minimum quota for "new energy" vehicles that shifts the burden for the switch onto manufacturers. "The trend is irreversible," said Wang Chuanfu, head of the Chinese electric car producer BYD, backed by Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway.

At the same time, global shipping rules are clamping down on dirty high-sulphur oil used in the cargo trade, a move that may lead to widespread use of liquefied natural gas for ship fuel.

This is all happening much faster than Saudi Arabia and Opec had assumed. The cartel's World Oil Outlook last year dismissed electric vehicles as a fringe curiosity that would make little difference to ever-rising global demand for oil.

It predicted a jump in crude consumption by a further 16.4 million barrels a day to 109 million by 2040, with India increasingly taking over from China as growing market. The cartel said fossils will still make up 77 per cent of global energy use, much like today. It implicitly treated the Paris agreement on climate targets as empty rhetoric.

Whether Opec believes its own claims is doubtful. Saudi Arabia's actions suggest otherwise. The kingdom is hedging its bets by selling off chunks of the state oil giant Saudi Aramco to fund diversification away from oil.

Opec, Russia, and the oil-exporting states are now caught in a squeeze and will probably be forced to extend output caps into 2018 to stop prices falling. Shale fracking in the US is now so efficient, and rebounding so fast, that it may cap oil prices in a range of $US45 to $US55 until the end of the decade. By then the historic window will be closing.

Experts will argue over Mr Seba's claims. His broad point is that multiple technological trends are combining in a perfect storm. The simplicity of the EV model is breath-taking. The Tesla S has 18 moving parts, one hundred times fewer than a combustion engine car. "Maintenance is essentially zero. That is why Tesla is offering infinite-mile warranties. You can drive it to the moon and back and they will still warranty it," Mr Seba said.

Self-drive "vehicles on demand" will be running at much higher levels of daily use than today's cars and will last for 500,000 to 1 million miles each.

It has long been known that EVs are four times more efficient than petrol or diesel cars, which lose 80 per cent of their power in heat. What changes the equation is the advent of EV models with the acceleration and performance of a Lamborghini costing five or 10 times less to buy, and at least 10 times less to run.

"The electric drive-train is so much more powerful. The gasoline and diesel cars cannot possibly compete," Mr Seba said. The parallel is what happened to film cameras - and to Kodak - once digital rivals hit the market. It was swift and brutal. "You can't compete with zero marginal costs," he said.

The effect is not confined to cars. Trucks will switch in tandem. Over 70 per cent of US haulage routes are already within battery range, and batteries are getting better each year.

EVs will increase US electricity demand by 18 per cent, but that does not imply the need for more capacity. They will draw power at times of peak supply and release it during peak demand. They are themselves a storage reservoir, helping to smooth the effects of intermittent solar and wind, and to absorb excess base-load from power plants.

Mark Carney, the Governor of the Bank England and chairman of Basel's Financial Stability Board, has repeatedly warned that fossil energy companies are booking assets that can never be burnt under the Paris agreement.

He pointed out last year that it took only a small shift in global demand for coal to bankrupt three of the four largest coal-mining companies in short order. Other seemingly entrenched sectors could be just as vulnerable. He warned of a "Minsky moment", if we do not prepare in time, where the energy revolution moves so fast that it precipitates a global financial crisis.

The crunch may be coming even sooner than he thought. The Basel Board may have to add the car industry to the mix. There will be losers. Whole countries will spin into crisis. The world's geopolitical order will be reshaped almost overnight. But humanity as a whole should enjoy an enormous welfare gain.

............Your Tesla vehicle is protected by a 4 year or 50,000 miles (80,000 km) (whichever occurs first) New Vehicle Limited Warranty and 8 year or unlimited miles Battery and Drive Unit Limited Warranty. These warranties cover the repair or replacement necessary to correct defects in the materials or workmanship of any parts manufactured or supplied by Tesla that occur under normal use during the coverage period..............

................2-Year Extended Service Agreement 2 years or 25,000 miles (40,000 km), whichever occurs first

4-Year Extended Service Agreement 4 years or 50,000 miles (80,000 km), whichever occurs first .......

............Your Tesla vehicle is protected by a 4 year or 50,000 miles (80,000 km) (whichever occurs first) New Vehicle Limited Warranty and 8 year or unlimited miles Battery and Drive Unit Limited Warranty. These warranties cover the repair or replacement necessary to correct defects in the materials or workmanship of any parts manufactured or supplied by Tesla that occur under normal use during the coverage period..............

................2-Year Extended Service Agreement 2 years or 25,000 miles (40,000 km), whichever occurs first

4-Year Extended Service Agreement 4 years or 50,000 miles (80,000 km), whichever occurs first .......

Unlike like fossil fool vehicle manufacturers who make most of their revenue from spare parts and service of an otherwise unreliable product Tesla believes in producing something that will last and there is really little to go wrong with an EV compared to a fossil fool junk heap with 1000's of moving and wearable parts plus consumables !!

............. A major reason for the LandCruiser's legendary status lurks under the vehicle's bonnet. There are two engine variants to choose from: a 4.6L V8 Dual VVT-i Petrol (not available on GX) with 6-speed automatic transmission and a 4.5L V8 Twin Turbo-diesel with 6-speed automatic transmission. Each of these brilliantly engineered V8 engine units offers loads of jaw-dropping horse power.

The output figures speak for themselves, the petrol V8 engine delivers an awesome 227kW at 5500rpm, while the diesel V8 engine is close behind with a thumping 200kW at 3600rpm.

Torque it up

The V8 power units deliver massive torque, giving the LandCruiser 200 more grunt and pulling power than ever before, enabling the car to venture where other 4WDs might struggle.

With the petrol variant V8 engine (not available on GX) offering 439Nm at 3400rpm and the diesel variant delivering a heart thumping 650Nm at 1600-2600rpm, you can forget old boundaries and limitations. Get ready to push the envelope on-road and off ..............

I will give you ONE MILLION DOLLARS if petrol fuel cars vanish in 8 years...

Hell... make it TWO MILLION DOLLARS...

I don't think nails can tell the difference between a fact and a hypothesis.

The bloke who wrote that story is fkken dreaming.

Its just common sense: who wins in the car market between petrol engines and EVs with a fraction of the moving parts, a fraction of the running costs and virtually no wear and tear? Its a no brainer. And I agree with the author that once driverless EV's are viable and available on mass (which they will be) - most people won't think twice about ditching their "manual" vehicles.

I'm guessing people like bigol were similarly scoffing at the predicted demise of film cameras and CDs.

I will give you ONE MILLION DOLLARS if petrol fuel cars vanish in 8 years...

Hell... make it TWO MILLION DOLLARS...

I don't think nails can tell the difference between a fact and a hypothesis.

The bloke who wrote that story is fkken dreaming.

Its just common sense: who wins in the car market between petrol engines and EVs with a fraction of the moving parts, a fraction of the running costs and virtually no wear and tear? Its a no brainer. And I agree with the author that once driverless EV's are viable and available on mass (which they will be) - most people won't think twice about ditching their "manual" vehicles.

I'm guessing people like bigol were similarly scoffing at the predicted demise of film cameras and CDs.

All petrol vehicle gone in 8 years, is that what you are also saying is it?

Because I am scoffing at the shear stupidity of the statement and the 'predictions' made by nails and the author, and Im more than happy to show you some contempt as well, if you believe that horse sh1t as well.

This has no basis in fact, is is a delusion and stupid in the extreme.

Im not some anti-tech luddite, exactly the opposite, I base my position of what is reasonable possible not on some cretinous man-child's predictions.

I will give you ONE MILLION DOLLARS if petrol fuel cars vanish in 8 years...

Hell... make it TWO MILLION DOLLARS...

I don't think nails can tell the difference between a fact and a hypothesis.

The bloke who wrote that story is fkken dreaming.

Its just common sense: who wins in the car market between petrol engines and EVs with a fraction of the moving parts, a fraction of the running costs and virtually no wear and tear? Its a no brainer. And I agree with the author that once driverless EV's are viable and available on mass (which they will be) - most people won't think twice about ditching their "manual" vehicles.

I'm guessing people like bigol were similarly scoffing at the predicted demise of film cameras and CDs.

Bighole still uses a film camera and a typewriter LOL

He's having trouble sourcing the film and can't find anyone to fix his typewriter LOL

I will give you ONE MILLION DOLLARS if petrol fuel cars vanish in 8 years...

Hell... make it TWO MILLION DOLLARS...

I don't think nails can tell the difference between a fact and a hypothesis.

The bloke who wrote that story is fkken dreaming.

Its just common sense: who wins in the car market between petrol engines and EVs with a fraction of the moving parts, a fraction of the running costs and virtually no wear and tear? Its a no brainer. And I agree with the author that once driverless EV's are viable and available on mass (which they will be) - most people won't think twice about ditching their "manual" vehicles.

I'm guessing people like bigol were similarly scoffing at the predicted demise of film cameras and CDs.

All petrol vehicle gone in 8 years, is that what you are also saying is it?

Because I am scoffing at the shear stupidity of the statement and the 'predictions' made by nails and the author, and Im more than happy to show you some contempt as well, if you believe that horse sh1t as well.

This has no basis in fact, is is a delusion and stupid in the extreme.

Im not some anti-tech luddite, exactly the opposite, I base my position of what is reasonable possible not on some cretinous man-child's predictions.

Then how come GMC is ramping down production of right hand drive cars and is pulling out of Sth Africa and India and quite possibly Australia. The motor industry is changing and technology has a way of leaving established players in the dust unless they change !! Just look what happened to Kodak. Owned lots of digital camera patents in the 70's but decided to milk as much out of film as it could thinking that it would never go away. History says otherwise.

Don't base your opinions on what happens in Australia. We are a technological backwater rusted onto the past glories of Ford and Holden's racing around Bathhurst. The rest of the world couldn't give a toss about Australia and its fixation to everything oil !

............. A major reason for the LandCruiser's legendary status lurks under the vehicle's bonnet. There are two engine variants to choose from: a 4.6L V8 Dual VVT-i Petrol (not available on GX) with 6-speed automatic transmission and a 4.5L V8 Twin Turbo-diesel with 6-speed automatic transmission. Each of these brilliantly engineered V8 engine units offers loads of jaw-dropping horse power.

The output figures speak for themselves, the petrol V8 engine delivers an awesome 227kW at 5500rpm, while the diesel V8 engine is close behind with a thumping 200kW at 3600rpm.

Torque it up

The V8 power units deliver massive torque, giving the LandCruiser 200 more grunt and pulling power than ever before, enabling the car to venture where other 4WDs might struggle.

With the petrol variant V8 engine (not available on GX) offering 439Nm at 3400rpm and the diesel variant delivering a heart thumping 650Nm at 1600-2600rpm, you can forget old boundaries and limitations. Get ready to push the envelope on-road and off ..............

I will give you ONE MILLION DOLLARS if petrol fuel cars vanish in 8 years...

Hell... make it TWO MILLION DOLLARS...

I don't think nails can tell the difference between a fact and a hypothesis.

The bloke who wrote that story is fkken dreaming.

Its just common sense: who wins in the car market between petrol engines and EVs with a fraction of the moving parts, a fraction of the running costs and virtually no wear and tear? Its a no brainer. And I agree with the author that once driverless EV's are viable and available on mass (which they will be) - most people won't think twice about ditching their "manual" vehicles.

I'm guessing people like bigol were similarly scoffing at the predicted demise of film cameras and CDs.

All petrol vehicle gone in 8 years, is that what you are also saying is it?

Because I am scoffing at the shear stupidity of the statement and the 'predictions' made by nails and the author, and Im more than happy to show you some contempt as well, if you believe that horse sh1t as well.

This has no basis in fact, is is a delusion and stupid in the extreme.

Im not some anti-tech luddite, exactly the opposite, I base my position of what is reasonable possible not on some cretinous man-child's predictions.

Then how come GMC is ramping down production of right hand drive cars and is pulling out of Sth Africa and India and quite possibly Australia. The motor industry is changing and technology has a way of leaving established players in the dust unless they change !! Just look what happened to Kodak. Owned lots of digital camera patents in the 70's but decided to milk as much out of film as it could thinking that it would never go away. History says otherwise.

Don't base your opinions on what happens in Australia. We are a technological backwater rusted onto the past glories of Ford and Holden's racing around Bathhurst. The rest of the world couldn't give a toss about Australia and its fixation to everything oil !

Always nice when you post evidence to support your opinions.

Unsubstantiated opinions and wild predictions aren't worth a snatch full of cold water out here in the real world.

I will give you ONE MILLION DOLLARS if petrol fuel cars vanish in 8 years...

Hell... make it TWO MILLION DOLLARS...

I don't think nails can tell the difference between a fact and a hypothesis.

The bloke who wrote that story is fkken dreaming.

Its just common sense: who wins in the car market between petrol engines and EVs with a fraction of the moving parts, a fraction of the running costs and virtually no wear and tear? Its a no brainer. And I agree with the author that once driverless EV's are viable and available on mass (which they will be) - most people won't think twice about ditching their "manual" vehicles.

I'm guessing people like bigol were similarly scoffing at the predicted demise of film cameras and CDs.

All petrol vehicle gone in 8 years, is that what you are also saying is it?

Because I am scoffing at the shear stupidity of the statement and the 'predictions' made by nails and the author, and Im more than happy to show you some contempt as well, if you believe that horse sh1t as well.

This has no basis in fact, is is a delusion and stupid in the extreme.

Im not some anti-tech luddite, exactly the opposite, I base my position of what is reasonable possible not on some cretinous man-child's predictions.

Then how come GMC is ramping down production of right hand drive cars and is pulling out of Sth Africa and India and quite possibly Australia. The motor industry is changing and technology has a way of leaving established players in the dust unless they change !! Just look what happened to Kodak. Owned lots of digital camera patents in the 70's but decided to milk as much out of film as it could thinking that it would never go away. History says otherwise.

Don't base your opinions on what happens in Australia. We are a technological backwater rusted onto the past glories of Ford and Holden's racing around Bathhurst. The rest of the world couldn't give a toss about Australia and its fixation to everything oil !

Always nice when you post evidence to support your opinions.

Unsubstantiated opinions and wild predictions aren't worth a snatch full of cold water out here in the real world.

Whilst I don't quite agree with the original author that fossil fool cars will disappear completely because there will still be some in the Museums LOL

And the situation will most likely change at some point in the future. Personally I would rather a vastly less polluting hydrogen car that a lithium battery car, that sh1t is toxic as hell and we will be swapping one planet destroying problem for another.

But for nails to to stand up and state the petrol cars will disappear in 8 years, is just fkken stupid. I will in all likelihood own an electric car before he does.

And the situation will most likely change at some point in the future. Personally I would rather a vastly less polluting hydrogen car that a lithium battery car, that sh1t is toxic as hell and we will be swapping one planet destroying problem for another.

But for nails to to stand up and state the petrol cars will disappear in 8 years, is just fkken stupid. I will in all likelihood own an electric car before he does.

BigOl,stop your ad hominem attacks on sir Nail.He's futuristic & can see what will happen.

It will only take the Chinese to put electric cars into productionthat are say worth under $20K with a 10 year warranty on the battery& people will just love them.They'll charge them up with solar cells on their roofs on the weekend & drive to work & back all week on one charge.

UK thinks all diesel vehicles will be gone by 2020, despite the fact that the labour government of old promoted them as less polluting than petrol. Now of course, after many changed to diesel, the Tory government has established that they are more polluting and are encouraging owners to scrap them with a government payback and price reductions on environmentally friendly vehicles.

I wonder what is going to happen to all those diesel (thousands) Black Cabs, lorries, buses, and locos?

Nails has been crapping on about battery cars for over a decade now and even he doesn't own one, so why the fkk the rest of the planet would drop everything to buy one is a bit horse sh1t.

The author is a deluded idiot and needs to be ignored it just isn't going to happen.

How many people apart from yourself still use film cameras ? Who would buy a film camera when you can snap a picture using digital and see the results instantly ?

I rest my case.

Likewise who would buy a fossil fool car when you can charge up an EV at home using your own solar energy ? Even better Tesla offer free chargeups at their charging stations Go in for a cup of coffee and 30 minutes later you've got an extra 50k range on the clock for free. Where do you get this from Mr oily greedy guts ? Dirty sump oil needs replacing !! Pay pay pay says Mr oily greedy guts !!

Nails has been crapping on about battery cars for over a decade now and even he doesn't own one, so why the fkk the rest of the planet would drop everything to buy one is a bit horse sh1t.

The author is a deluded idiot and needs to be ignored it just isn't going to happen.

How many people apart from yourself still use film cameras ? Who would buy a film camera when you can snap a picture using digital and see the results instantly ?

I rest my case.

Likewise who would buy a fossil fool car when you can charge up an EV at home using your own solar energy ? Even better Tesla offer free chargeups at their charging stations Go in for a cup of coffee and 30 minutes later you've got an extra 50k range on the clock for free. Where do you get this from Mr oily greedy guts ? Pay pay pay says Mr oily greedy guts !!

Nails has been crapping on about battery cars for over a decade now and even he doesn't own one, so why the fkk the rest of the planet would drop everything to buy one is a bit horse sh1t.

The author is a deluded idiot and needs to be ignored it just isn't going to happen.

How many people apart from yourself still use film cameras ? Who would buy a film camera when you can snap a picture using digital and see the results instantly ?

I rest my case.

Likewise who would buy a fossil fool car when you can charge up an EV at home using your own solar energy ? Even better Tesla offer free chargeups at their charging stations Go in for a cup of coffee and 30 minutes later you've got an extra 50k range on the clock for free. Where do you get this from Mr oily greedy guts ? Pay pay pay says Mr oily greedy guts !!

So you actually own a battery power electric car do you?

How does that change the argument ? Can I talk about the virtues of space exploration without owning a Saturn 5 rocket ?

Nails has been crapping on about battery cars for over a decade now and even he doesn't own one, so why the fkk the rest of the planet would drop everything to buy one is a bit horse sh1t.

The author is a deluded idiot and needs to be ignored it just isn't going to happen.

How many people apart from yourself still use film cameras ? Who would buy a film camera when you can snap a picture using digital and see the results instantly ?

I rest my case.

Likewise who would buy a fossil fool car when you can charge up an EV at home using your own solar energy ? Even better Tesla offer free chargeups at their charging stations Go in for a cup of coffee and 30 minutes later you've got an extra 50k range on the clock for free. Where do you get this from Mr oily greedy guts ? Pay pay pay says Mr oily greedy guts !!

So you actually own a battery power electric car do you?

How does that change the argument ? Can I talk about the virtues of space exploration without owning a Saturn 5 rocket ?

It's just that you accused my of not owning a digital camera, as though it mattered.

So it seems owning the piece of technology is important to you when it comes to what I own.

I mean EV's do exist and have done for years and their is no reason for you not own one is there?

Nails has been crapping on about battery cars for over a decade now and even he doesn't own one, so why the fkk the rest of the planet would drop everything to buy one is a bit horse sh1t.

The author is a deluded idiot and needs to be ignored it just isn't going to happen.

How many people apart from yourself still use film cameras ? Who would buy a film camera when you can snap a picture using digital and see the results instantly ?

I rest my case.

Likewise who would buy a fossil fool car when you can charge up an EV at home using your own solar energy ? Even better Tesla offer free chargeups at their charging stations Go in for a cup of coffee and 30 minutes later you've got an extra 50k range on the clock for free. Where do you get this from Mr oily greedy guts ? Pay pay pay says Mr oily greedy guts !!

So you actually own a battery power electric car do you?

How does that change the argument ? Can I talk about the virtues of space exploration without owning a Saturn 5 rocket ?

It's just that you accused my of not owning a digital camera, as though it mattered.

So it seems owning the piece of technology is important to you when it comes to what I own.

I mean EV's do exist and have done for years and their is no reason for you not own one is there?

The analogy of film cameras disappearing in a matter of years obviously went over your head. Sorry if your level of comprehension is lacking.

............. A major reason for the LandCruiser's legendary status lurks under the vehicle's bonnet. There are two engine variants to choose from: a 4.6L V8 Dual VVT-i Petrol (not available on GX) with 6-speed automatic transmission and a 4.5L V8 Twin Turbo-diesel with 6-speed automatic transmission. Each of these brilliantly engineered V8 engine units offers loads of jaw-dropping horse power.

The output figures speak for themselves, the petrol V8 engine delivers an awesome 227kW at 5500rpm, while the diesel V8 engine is close behind with a thumping 200kW at 3600rpm.

Torque it up

The V8 power units deliver massive torque, giving the LandCruiser 200 more grunt and pulling power than ever before, enabling the car to venture where other 4WDs might struggle.

With the petrol variant V8 engine (not available on GX) offering 439Nm at 3400rpm and the diesel variant delivering a heart thumping 650Nm at 1600-2600rpm, you can forget old boundaries and limitations. Get ready to push the envelope on-road and off ..............

............... a heart thumping 650Nm at 1600-2600rpm ............

Big fizz !! It's already obsolete.

I was surprise the petrol cars got so close.

Esp liked it when the tesla driver asked the supercar driver what he was listening to.

Thanks nail.

the torque electric engine produce is immense.Electric engine reliability is ........ about 4X that of an internal combustion engine, if not more.

............. A major reason for the LandCruiser's legendary status lurks under the vehicle's bonnet. There are two engine variants to choose from: a 4.6L V8 Dual VVT-i Petrol (not available on GX) with 6-speed automatic transmission and a 4.5L V8 Twin Turbo-diesel with 6-speed automatic transmission. Each of these brilliantly engineered V8 engine units offers loads of jaw-dropping horse power.

The output figures speak for themselves, the petrol V8 engine delivers an awesome 227kW at 5500rpm, while the diesel V8 engine is close behind with a thumping 200kW at 3600rpm.

Torque it up

The V8 power units deliver massive torque, giving the LandCruiser 200 more grunt and pulling power than ever before, enabling the car to venture where other 4WDs might struggle.

With the petrol variant V8 engine (not available on GX) offering 439Nm at 3400rpm and the diesel variant delivering a heart thumping 650Nm at 1600-2600rpm, you can forget old boundaries and limitations. Get ready to push the envelope on-road and off ..............

............... a heart thumping 650Nm at 1600-2600rpm ............

Big fizz !! It's already obsolete.

I was surprise the petrol cars got so close.

Esp liked it when the tesla driver asked the supercar driver what he was listening to.

Thanks nail.

the torque electric engine produce is immense.Electric engine reliability is ........ about 4X that of an internal combustion engine, if not more.

But you failed to mention the problem of batteries versus fuel.

Distance on a single fill / charge

Time to complete a fill recharge

That needs to be overcome well before this 8 year timeline comes even close.

Nails has been crapping on about battery cars for over a decade now and even he doesn't own one, so why the fkk the rest of the planet would drop everything to buy one is a bit horse sh1t.

The author is a deluded idiot and needs to be ignored it just isn't going to happen.

How many people apart from yourself still use film cameras ? Who would buy a film camera when you can snap a picture using digital and see the results instantly ?

I rest my case.

Likewise who would buy a fossil fool car when you can charge up an EV at home using your own solar energy ? Even better Tesla offer free chargeups at their charging stations Go in for a cup of coffee and 30 minutes later you've got an extra 50k range on the clock for free. Where do you get this from Mr oily greedy guts ? Pay pay pay says Mr oily greedy guts !!

So you actually own a battery power electric car do you?

How does that change the argument ? Can I talk about the virtues of space exploration without owning a Saturn 5 rocket ?

It's just that you accused my of not owning a digital camera, as though it mattered.

So it seems owning the piece of technology is important to you when it comes to what I own.

I mean EV's do exist and have done for years and their is no reason for you not own one is there?

The analogy of film cameras disappearing in a matter of years obviously went over your head. Sorry if your level of comprehension is lacking.

Im well aware of what you were trying to do, it was just poorly execute and irrelevant.

The ubiquitous nature of digital cameras and hybrid camera phones means that someone you are communicating via the internet is likely to have this sort of entry level technology.

Lithium batteries are not the earth saving panacea everyone's making them out to be

In a 2013 report, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s Design for the Environment program concluded that batteries using nickel and cobalt, like lithium-ion batteries, have the “highest potential for environmental impacts”. It cited negative consequences like mining, global warming, environmental pollution and human health impacts.

While Tesla declines to comment on the particular chemistry it uses, representative Khobi Brooklyn did list nickel as one of the components of the company’s batteries, and lithium is also obviously a component.

One of the reasons China could sell lithium so cheaply was because it widely ignored environmental safeguards during the mining process. In the Bayan Obo region of China, for example, miners removed topsoil and extracted the gold-flecked metals using acids that entered the groundwater, destroying nearby agricultural land. Even the normally tight-lipped Chinese government admitted that rare earth mining has been abused in some places. A regulator at the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology in China went so far as to tell The New York Times, "This has caused great harm to the ecology and environment" [source: Bradsher].

UK thinks all diesel vehicles will be gone by 2020, despite the fact that the labour government of old promoted them as less polluting than petrol. Now of course, after many changed to diesel, the Tory government has established that they are more polluting and are encouraging owners to scrap them with a government payback and price reductions on environmentally friendly vehicles.

I wonder what is going to happen to all those diesel (thousands) Black Cabs, lorries, buses, and locos?

they will sell them to australia. aussies will still buy them. bighole will want one LOL

Nails has been crapping on about battery cars for over a decade now and even he doesn't own one, so why the fkk the rest of the planet would drop everything to buy one is a bit horse sh1t.

The author is a deluded idiot and needs to be ignored it just isn't going to happen.

How many people apart from yourself still use film cameras ? Who would buy a film camera when you can snap a picture using digital and see the results instantly ?

I rest my case.

Likewise who would buy a fossil fool car when you can charge up an EV at home using your own solar energy ? Even better Tesla offer free chargeups at their charging stations Go in for a cup of coffee and 30 minutes later you've got an extra 50k range on the clock for free. Where do you get this from Mr oily greedy guts ? Pay pay pay says Mr oily greedy guts !!

So you actually own a battery power electric car do you?

How does that change the argument ? Can I talk about the virtues of space exploration without owning a Saturn 5 rocket ?

It's just that you accused my of not owning a digital camera, as though it mattered.

So it seems owning the piece of technology is important to you when it comes to what I own.

I mean EV's do exist and have done for years and their is no reason for you not own one is there?

The analogy of film cameras disappearing in a matter of years obviously went over your head. Sorry if your level of comprehension is lacking.

Im well aware of what you were trying to do, it was just poorly execute and irrelevant.

The ubiquitous nature of digital cameras and hybrid camera phones means that someone you are communicating via the internet is likely to have this sort of entry level technology.

digital cameras were here well before they appeared in phones bighole !!

Lithium batteries are not the earth saving panacea everyone's making them out to be

In a 2013 report, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s Design for the Environment program concluded that batteries using nickel and cobalt, like lithium-ion batteries, have the “highest potential for environmental impacts”. It cited negative consequences like mining, global warming, environmental pollution and human health impacts.

While Tesla declines to comment on the particular chemistry it uses, representative Khobi Brooklyn did list nickel as one of the components of the company’s batteries, and lithium is also obviously a component.

One of the reasons China could sell lithium so cheaply was because it widely ignored environmental safeguards during the mining process. In the Bayan Obo region of China, for example, miners removed topsoil and extracted the gold-flecked metals using acids that entered the groundwater, destroying nearby agricultural land. Even the normally tight-lipped Chinese government admitted that rare earth mining has been abused in some places. A regulator at the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology in China went so far as to tell The New York Times, "This has caused great harm to the ecology and environment" [source: Bradsher].

Toyota was using Nickel Metal Hydride battery chemistry in its RAV4 EV way before Lithium appeared in the mainstream. Guess what happened next ? Big OIL bought the intellectual property and sat on it and sued anyone who used it whilst making lame excuses for not licensing out the technology

You can blame big OIL for the proliferation of Lithium batteries in EV's

They don't carry loads or go through the hill to well either.Great on the flat, would like to have seen that race with the V8 up the mountain at Bathurst.

Really !! Is that why Tesla is working on an electric prime mover ??

Yeah good one, his claim was it could beat a diesel truck in a tug of war uphill, whilst the torque of an electric motor might be superior in an equivalent machine, maintaining that torque would require a lot of electricity, he didn't say how long it would be able to win that tug of war without an extension cord.

Nails has been crapping on about battery cars for over a decade now and even he doesn't own one, so why the fkk the rest of the planet would drop everything to buy one is a bit horse sh1t.

The author is a deluded idiot and needs to be ignored it just isn't going to happen.

How many people apart from yourself still use film cameras ? Who would buy a film camera when you can snap a picture using digital and see the results instantly ?

I rest my case.

Likewise who would buy a fossil fool car when you can charge up an EV at home using your own solar energy ? Even better Tesla offer free chargeups at their charging stations Go in for a cup of coffee and 30 minutes later you've got an extra 50k range on the clock for free. Where do you get this from Mr oily greedy guts ? Pay pay pay says Mr oily greedy guts !!

So you actually own a battery power electric car do you?

How does that change the argument ? Can I talk about the virtues of space exploration without owning a Saturn 5 rocket ?

It's just that you accused my of not owning a digital camera, as though it mattered.

So it seems owning the piece of technology is important to you when it comes to what I own.

I mean EV's do exist and have done for years and their is no reason for you not own one is there?

The analogy of film cameras disappearing in a matter of years obviously went over your head. Sorry if your level of comprehension is lacking.

Im well aware of what you were trying to do, it was just poorly execute and irrelevant.

The ubiquitous nature of digital cameras and hybrid camera phones means that someone you are communicating via the internet is likely to have this sort of entry level technology.

digital cameras were here well before they appeared in phones bighole !!

So?

Making irrelevant statements only makes you look more stupid, not less so?

Don't base your opinions on what happens in Australia. We are a technological backwater rusted onto the past glories of Ford and Holden's racing around Bathhurst. The rest of the world couldn't give a toss about Australia and its fixation to everything oil !

Why do people post crap like this as if Australia is the only nation on earth that uses petrol?

Go look at Audi, BMW, Merc, Nissan, Toyota, Lexus, Jaguar, Land Rover etc. - all of them not only produce a V8, but at least one gas-guzzling SUV each (Mercedes has several). As for the yanks, well....

And that's from someone who loves Teslas. But this idea that Australia is some technological holdout versus a world of fuel-efficient city cars and EVs is just plain rubbish.

Don't base your opinions on what happens in Australia. We are a technological backwater rusted onto the past glories of Ford and Holden's racing around Bathhurst. The rest of the world couldn't give a toss about Australia and its fixation to everything oil !

Why do people post crap like this as if Australia is the only nation on earth that uses petrol?

Go look at Audi, BMW, Merc, Nissan, Toyota, Lexus, Jaguar, Land Rover etc. - all of them not only produce a V8, but at least one gas-guzzling SUV each (Mercedes has several). As for the yanks, well....

And that's from someone who loves Teslas. But this idea that Australia is some technological holdout versus a world of fuel-efficient city cars and EVs is just plain rubbish.

It is. Just look at the sub-standard rubbish that Holden and Ford have been serving us up for years. These are cars that very few other nations are interested in except Australia. What does that say about us ?

Don't base your opinions on what happens in Australia. We are a technological backwater rusted onto the past glories of Ford and Holden's racing around Bathhurst. The rest of the world couldn't give a toss about Australia and its fixation to everything oil !

Why do people post crap like this as if Australia is the only nation on earth that uses petrol?

Go look at Audi, BMW, Merc, Nissan, Toyota, Lexus, Jaguar, Land Rover etc. - all of them not only produce a V8, but at least one gas-guzzling SUV each (Mercedes has several). As for the yanks, well....

And that's from someone who loves Teslas. But this idea that Australia is some technological holdout versus a world of fuel-efficient city cars and EVs is just plain rubbish.

It is. Just look at the sub-standard rubbish that Holden and Ford have been serving us up for years. These are cars that very few other nations are interested in except Australia. What does that say about us ?

Sub standard compared to what? VW/Audi and its notorious DSG and pollution gear? Alfa Romeo? The Mercs of the 2000s that had appalling quality and electrical issues? BMWs Mini division? The Land Rovers that still can't get their quality right? Pretty much anything French? Ferrari and its self-immolating supercars? Anything made by GM or Ford in the US?

As for why they don't get exported to many places - blame GM and Ford. They didn't know what to do with their australian brands (they didn't know what to do with other non-US brands either) and they refused to even put half the development budget into the Falcon and Commodore that overseas brands typically get for even a whitegoods hatchback.

Don't base your opinions on what happens in Australia. We are a technological backwater rusted onto the past glories of Ford and Holden's racing around Bathhurst. The rest of the world couldn't give a toss about Australia and its fixation to everything oil !

Why do people post crap like this as if Australia is the only nation on earth that uses petrol?

Go look at Audi, BMW, Merc, Nissan, Toyota, Lexus, Jaguar, Land Rover etc. - all of them not only produce a V8, but at least one gas-guzzling SUV each (Mercedes has several). As for the yanks, well....

And that's from someone who loves Teslas. But this idea that Australia is some technological holdout versus a world of fuel-efficient city cars and EVs is just plain rubbish.

It is. Just look at the sub-standard rubbish that Holden and Ford have been serving us up for years. These are cars that very few other nations are interested in except Australia. What does that say about us ?

Sub standard compared to what? VW/Audi and its notorious DSG and pollution gear? Alfa Romeo? The Mercs of the 2000s that had appalling quality and electrical issues? BMWs Mini division? The Land Rovers that still can't get their quality right? Pretty much anything French? Ferrari and its self-immolating supercars? Anything made by GM or Ford in the US?

As for why they don't get exported to many places - blame GM and Ford. They didn't know what to do with their australian brands (they didn't know what to do with other non-US brands either) and they refused to even put half the development budget into the Falcon and Commodore that overseas brands typically get for even a whitegoods hatchback.

So no - not crap at all

Wasn't the Holden engine using push rods for a long time ? And Ford didn't move to an overhead cam until very late. Yes some of the German cars are over engineered and some had notorious quality control issues but they are leaders and not followers like Ford and Holden which is why they are still in business exporting their stuff all around the world

And the situation will most likely change at some point in the future. Personally I would rather a vastly less polluting hydrogen car that a lithium battery car, that sh1t is toxic as hell and we will be swapping one planet destroying problem for another.

But for nails to to stand up and state the petrol cars will disappear in 8 years, is just fkken stupid. I will in all likelihood own an electric car before he does.

BigOl,stop your ad hominem attacks on sir Nail.He's futuristic & can see what will happen.

It will only take the Chinese to put electric cars into productionthat are say worth under $20K with a 10 year warranty on the battery& people will just love them.They'll charge them up with solar cells on their roofs on the weekend & drive to work & back all week on one charge.

8 years? That is quite a while. My information says that by 2022, we should have electric cars as the majority of vehicles on the road in Australia. I would not be surprised if one in ten cars on Australia's roads by 2020 will be electric.

And the situation will most likely change at some point in the future. Personally I would rather a vastly less polluting hydrogen car that a lithium battery car, that sh1t is toxic as hell and we will be swapping one planet destroying problem for another.

But for nails to to stand up and state the petrol cars will disappear in 8 years, is just fkken stupid. I will in all likelihood own an electric car before he does.

BigOl,stop your ad hominem attacks on sir Nail.He's futuristic & can see what will happen.

It will only take the Chinese to put electric cars into productionthat are say worth under $20K with a 10 year warranty on the battery& people will just love them.They'll charge them up with solar cells on their roofs on the weekend & drive to work & back all week on one charge.

Petrol companies will hate it - people getting free energy!

Of course - BigOl ignores my post which cut him down to size.

Or I had something better to do on a Saturday night than reply to this drivel.

Not any fact in your post just your opinion and we all know what that is worth don't we.

Don't base your opinions on what happens in Australia. We are a technological backwater rusted onto the past glories of Ford and Holden's racing around Bathhurst. The rest of the world couldn't give a toss about Australia and its fixation to everything oil !

Why do people post crap like this as if Australia is the only nation on earth that uses petrol?

Go look at Audi, BMW, Merc, Nissan, Toyota, Lexus, Jaguar, Land Rover etc. - all of them not only produce a V8, but at least one gas-guzzling SUV each (Mercedes has several). As for the yanks, well....

And that's from someone who loves Teslas. But this idea that Australia is some technological holdout versus a world of fuel-efficient city cars and EVs is just plain rubbish.

It is. Just look at the sub-standard rubbish that Holden and Ford have been serving us up for years. These are cars that very few other nations are interested in except Australia. What does that say about us ?

Sub standard compared to what? VW/Audi and its notorious DSG and pollution gear? Alfa Romeo? The Mercs of the 2000s that had appalling quality and electrical issues? BMWs Mini division? The Land Rovers that still can't get their quality right? Pretty much anything French? Ferrari and its self-immolating supercars? Anything made by GM or Ford in the US?

As for why they don't get exported to many places - blame GM and Ford. They didn't know what to do with their australian brands (they didn't know what to do with other non-US brands either) and they refused to even put half the development budget into the Falcon and Commodore that overseas brands typically get for even a whitegoods hatchback.

So no - not crap at all

Wasn't the Holden engine using push rods for a long time ? And Ford didn't move to an overhead cam until very late. Yes some of the German cars are over engineered and some had notorious quality control issues but they are leaders and not followers like Ford and Holden which is why they are still in business exporting their stuff all around the world

Pushrods alone are not exactly the be all and end all of "good". Holden had pushrods until 2005 (apart from the VL) because GM didn't give them the development budget for a new engine, so they had to source one from the GM "parts bin". That said, for the job it had to do it was OK without being great.

As for Ford - they went OHC in 1988 because - surprise, surprise - Ford US gave them the budget for an all-new engine

Again - if you gave Holden or Ford oz the development budget used for a VW Golf and said have at it - and gave them the same subsidies the Germans give their makers - you'd get a damn good car that was exported around the world too

Don't base your opinions on what happens in Australia. We are a technological backwater rusted onto the past glories of Ford and Holden's racing around Bathhurst. The rest of the world couldn't give a toss about Australia and its fixation to everything oil !

Why do people post crap like this as if Australia is the only nation on earth that uses petrol?

Go look at Audi, BMW, Merc, Nissan, Toyota, Lexus, Jaguar, Land Rover etc. - all of them not only produce a V8, but at least one gas-guzzling SUV each (Mercedes has several). As for the yanks, well....

And that's from someone who loves Teslas. But this idea that Australia is some technological holdout versus a world of fuel-efficient city cars and EVs is just plain rubbish.

It is. Just look at the sub-standard rubbish that Holden and Ford have been serving us up for years. These are cars that very few other nations are interested in except Australia. What does that say about us ?

Sub standard compared to what? VW/Audi and its notorious DSG and pollution gear? Alfa Romeo? The Mercs of the 2000s that had appalling quality and electrical issues? BMWs Mini division? The Land Rovers that still can't get their quality right? Pretty much anything French? Ferrari and its self-immolating supercars? Anything made by GM or Ford in the US?

As for why they don't get exported to many places - blame GM and Ford. They didn't know what to do with their australian brands (they didn't know what to do with other non-US brands either) and they refused to even put half the development budget into the Falcon and Commodore that overseas brands typically get for even a whitegoods hatchback.

So no - not crap at all

Wasn't the Holden engine using push rods for a long time ? And Ford didn't move to an overhead cam until very late. Yes some of the German cars are over engineered and some had notorious quality control issues but they are leaders and not followers like Ford and Holden which is why they are still in business exporting their stuff all around the world

Pushrods alone are not exactly the be all and end all of "good". Holden had pushrods until 2005 (apart from the VL) because GM didn't give them the development budget for a new engine, so they had to source one from the GM "parts bin". That said, for the job it had to do it was OK without being great.

As for Ford - they went OHC in 1988 because - surprise, surprise - Ford US gave them the budget for an all-new engine

Again - if you gave Holden or Ford oz the development budget used for a VW Golf and said have at it - and gave them the same subsidies the Germans give their makers - you'd get a damn good car that was exported around the world too

Didn't they spend 1 bill on the VE commodore including a whole pile of tax payers dollars ?? What did we see for that 1 bill ? Just another Commodore with a paint job and some ideas pinched from European cars

It will be replacement by natural attrition. There will be no more fossil fools cars being manufactured and the only thing you can buy will be electric.

And driving from Cairns to Brisbane will go back to taking about a week to complete.

That horse and cart is starting to look pretty good by then.

Tesla has a large number of charging stations all around the US as well as many other countries. They plan to expand their network and install more of them. Of course Australia is always behind the pack and only has a handful of them. Early adopters of technology according to Costello LOL

It will be replacement by natural attrition. There will be no more fossil fools cars being manufactured and the only thing you can buy will be electric.

And driving from Cairns to Brisbane will go back to taking about a week to complete.

That horse and cart is starting to look pretty good by then.

Tesla has a large number of charging stations all around the US as well as many other countries. They plan to expand their network and install more of them. Of course Australia is always behind the pack and only has a handful of them. Early adopters of technology according to Costello LOL

And like you said earlier, you will be expected to sit for 30 minutes to get enough charge to travel 40 kms.

So once the initial charge is gone, you will be sitting around like a fool waiting along with hundreds if not thousands of travelers, for the battery to charge to get you to the next town maybe 50 kms away. Too bad if you want to travel where towns are few and far between.

Like I said the horse and cart won't be far behind the battery EV just for long trips.

It will be replacement by natural attrition. There will be no more fossil fools cars being manufactured and the only thing you can buy will be electric.

And driving from Cairns to Brisbane will go back to taking about a week to complete.

That horse and cart is starting to look pretty good by then.

Tesla has a large number of charging stations all around the US as well as many other countries. They plan to expand their network and install more of them. Of course Australia is always behind the pack and only has a handful of them. Early adopters of technology according to Costello LOL

And like you said earlier, you will be expected to sit for 30 minutes to get enough charge to travel 40 kms.

So once the initial charge is gone, you will be sitting around like a fool waiting along with hundreds if not thousands of travelers, for the battery to charge to get you to the next town maybe 50 kms away. Too bad if you want to travel where towns are few and far between.

Like I said the horse and cart won't be far behind the battery EV just for long trips.

If you are getting a top up for nothing then nobody should complain. Find one fossil fool outlet that gives you free top ups LOL Someone on the dole like yourself shouldn't complain. Most people park their cars in shopping centers or at work for hours on end so it's a good opportunity to top-up. Who wants to do an 8 hour trip from Melbourne to Sydney without a single break ? Only you and longprong58 LOL

People will change their lifestyles if they are getting a good deal. Polluting and expensive fossil fool technology is not the standard to be judged by. It is from a bygone era and was never sustainable in the long run.

It will be replacement by natural attrition. There will be no more fossil fools cars being manufactured and the only thing you can buy will be electric.

And driving from Cairns to Brisbane will go back to taking about a week to complete.

That horse and cart is starting to look pretty good by then.

Tesla has a large number of charging stations all around the US as well as many other countries. They plan to expand their network and install more of them. Of course Australia is always behind the pack and only has a handful of them. Early adopters of technology according to Costello LOL

And like you said earlier, you will be expected to sit for 30 minutes to get enough charge to travel 40 kms.

So once the initial charge is gone, you will be sitting around like a fool waiting along with hundreds if not thousands of travelers, for the battery to charge to get you to the next town maybe 50 kms away. Too bad if you want to travel where towns are few and far between.

Like I said the horse and cart won't be far behind the battery EV just for long trips.

If you are getting a top up for nothing then nobody should complain. Find one fossil fool outlet that gives you free top ups LOL Someone on the dole like yourself shouldn't complain. Most people park their cars in shopping centers or at work for hours on end so it's a good opportunity to top-up. Who wants to do an 8 hour trip from Melbourne to Sydney without a single break ? Only you and longprong58 LOL

People will change their lifestyles if they are getting a good deal. Polluting and expensive fossil fool technology is not the standard to be judged by. It is from a bygone era and was never sustainable in the long run.

So you agree that with this technological break though the time taken will vastly increase from a couple of days to possible a week or more, but we will get 'free' top ups.

Your time mustn't be worth much, if that makes you happy.

If you believe that batteries are not massively polluting then you are a fool or a liar.

Didn't they spend 1 bill on the VE commodore including a whole pile of tax payers dollars ?? What did we see for that 1 bill ? Just another Commodore with a paint job and some ideas pinched from European cars

They spent $1bil on the Zeta platform which was meant to be the platform used by any large RWD GM car worldwide.

As it was, despite GM US management stupidity, Holden still managed to export them to the US (first as a Pontiac, then as the Chevy SS and Caprice), China (as a Buick), the Middle East (as a Chevrolet), Brazil and south Africa (also as a Chevrolet) and the UK (as a Vauxhall)

Plus the engines were exported to Korea, Italy and Sweden, among other places.

Given the (in car terms) shoestring budget and upper management mis-management, that's a pretty good return

Tesla has a large number of charging stations all around the US as well as many other countries. They plan to expand their network and install more of them. Of course Australia is always behind the pack and only has a handful of them. Early adopters of technology according to Costello LOL

Apart from a dose of cultural cringe what does that even mean? Tesla isn't going to roll out hundreds of charging stations across Australia just for a handful of owners who almost all live in cities and are wealthy enough that they will just fly if they need to travel long distance

10 million cars on the road. 1 million replacement hybrid/electric cars. It is do-able. Keep in mind that in 1100 days, we could have many electric cars or hybrid cars running about without the need for petrol engines. The way people went from old mobile phones to iphones -- the way people switched from black and white to coloured television -- the internet adoption rate -- There will be a market for people switching to electric, hydrogen and LPG powered cars. I would not be surprised if there is a 10% share of cars on the road that doesn't use petrol.

In regards to the original post, I think 8 years is a fair time frame for when petrol cars will vanish. But I would probably think 10 years is more likely.

Well considering that the big car makers would already be designing and planning for petrol cars in 2025 and without any significant legislation to point to, I am pretty sure that in eight years petrol cars will still be dominating the market place. One car type that might be nearly extinct is the diesel.

It will be replacement by natural attrition. There will be no more fossil fools cars being manufactured and the only thing you can buy will be electric.

And driving from Cairns to Brisbane will go back to taking about a week to complete.

That horse and cart is starting to look pretty good by then.

If it took 15 minutes to recharge a battery (compared to 5 minutes to fuel a car), it would be pretty efficient and reasonably cheap. I would not mind having a car that could travel 1000km for $50 in charge costs.

The oil industry would have been bleating about charge times and battery replacement expense by now if it was that bad.

Tesla has a large number of charging stations all around the US as well as many other countries. They plan to expand their network and install more of them. Of course Australia is always behind the pack and only has a handful of them. Early adopters of technology according to Costello LOL

Apart from a dose of cultural cringe what does that even mean? Tesla isn't going to roll out hundreds of charging stations across Australia just for a handful of owners who almost all live in cities and are wealthy enough that they will just fly if they need to travel long distance

Well if the only cars being manufactured are EV's then it's tough titties for Australian motorists stuck in the past. You had plenty of time to jump on the EV bandwagon but you kept your heads in the sand as usual

Tesla has a large number of charging stations all around the US as well as many other countries. They plan to expand their network and install more of them. Of course Australia is always behind the pack and only has a handful of them. Early adopters of technology according to Costello LOL

Apart from a dose of cultural cringe what does that even mean? Tesla isn't going to roll out hundreds of charging stations across Australia just for a handful of owners who almost all live in cities and are wealthy enough that they will just fly if they need to travel long distance

Well if the only cars being manufactured are EV's then it's tough titties for Australian motorists stuck in the past. You had plenty of time to jump on the EV bandwagon but you kept your heads in the sand as usual

Well (i) they won't be - certainly not for many years yet

(ii) The sophisticated Australian motorist is good at adopting new technology when it makes sense. When EVs are cheap and charging becomes widely available, they'll start buying them.

(iii) EV sales in Europe account for a massive 0.5% of the market. Guess they're just not getting on the EV bandwagon

It will be replacement by natural attrition. There will be no more fossil fools cars being manufactured and the only thing you can buy will be electric.

And driving from Cairns to Brisbane will go back to taking about a week to complete.

That horse and cart is starting to look pretty good by then.

If it took 15 minutes to recharge a battery (compared to 5 minutes to fuel a car), it would be pretty efficient and reasonably cheap. I would not mind having a car that could travel 1000km for $50 in charge costs.

The oil industry would have been bleating about charge times and battery replacement expense by now if it was that bad.

Plus, with driverless tech coming in - it's not purely a question of range anymore. Most people wouldn't go Melbourne-Sydney or Sydney-Brisbane in one stretch, but if your car has autopilot, then needing to stop halfway for 30 minutes to charge your car is less of an issue when you can comfortably do the trip in a day because the car does most of the driving.

It will be replacement by natural attrition. There will be no more fossil fools cars being manufactured and the only thing you can buy will be electric.

And driving from Cairns to Brisbane will go back to taking about a week to complete.

That horse and cart is starting to look pretty good by then.

Tesla has a large number of charging stations all around the US as well as many other countries. They plan to expand their network and install more of them. Of course Australia is always behind the pack and only has a handful of them. Early adopters of technology according to Costello LOL

And like you said earlier, you will be expected to sit for 30 minutes to get enough charge to travel 40 kms.

So once the initial charge is gone, you will be sitting around like a fool waiting along with hundreds if not thousands of travelers, for the battery to charge to get you to the next town maybe 50 kms away. Too bad if you want to travel where towns are few and far between.

Like I said the horse and cart won't be far behind the battery EV just for long trips.

If you are getting a top up for nothing then nobody should complain. Find one fossil fool outlet that gives you free top ups LOL Someone on the dole like yourself shouldn't complain. Most people park their cars in shopping centers or at work for hours on end so it's a good opportunity to top-up. Who wants to do an 8 hour trip from Melbourne to Sydney without a single break ? Only you and longprong58 LOL

People will change their lifestyles if they are getting a good deal. Polluting and expensive fossil fool technology is not the standard to be judged by. It is from a bygone era and was never sustainable in the long run.

So you agree that with this technological break though the time taken will vastly increase from a couple of days to possible a week or more, but we will get 'free' top ups.

Your time mustn't be worth much, if that makes you happy.

If you believe that batteries are not massively polluting then you are a fool or a liar.

Would you honestly drive for 8 hours without taking a break and being a potential hazard to other drivers ?

Dont worry Francis, all colours of politics will invent ways to tax cars

The government is already hatching up a plan to tax drivers on their distance traveled so no you can't get out of paying taxes even if you use EV's

Just remember how they conned people out of parity feed-ins for rooftop solar by conning them to install dumb-meters. Now the punters are only getting a measly 6 cents per kWH whilst some scam artists is reselling the energy for 25 cents per kWH. What a con

Dont worry Francis, all colours of politics will invent ways to tax cars

The government is already hatching up a plan to tax drivers on their distance traveled so no you can't get out of paying taxes even if you use EV's

Just remember how they conned people out of parity feed-ins for rooftop solar by conning them to install dumb-meters. Now the punters are only getting a measly 6 cents per kWH whilst some scam artists is reselling the energy for 25 cents per kWH. What a con

They will make a fortune out of the money out of the hotels and motels will make putting millions of travellers every year, due to the fact that travel times have more than tripled.

The few measly dollars saved in fuel cost will be more than squandered in accommodation costs because an EV can't get to the end of a fkken driveway without needing a recharge.

Dont worry Francis, all colours of politics will invent ways to tax cars

The government is already hatching up a plan to tax drivers on their distance traveled so no you can't get out of paying taxes even if you use EV's

Just remember how they conned people out of parity feed-ins for rooftop solar by conning them to install dumb-meters. Now the punters are only getting a measly 6 cents per kWH whilst some scam artists is reselling the energy for 25 cents per kWH. What a con

very true sir Nail,Govts. will hate battery cars with people paying no tax -getting free energy.

Dont worry Francis, all colours of politics will invent ways to tax cars

The government is already hatching up a plan to tax drivers on their distance traveled so no you can't get out of paying taxes even if you use EV's

Just remember how they conned people out of parity feed-ins for rooftop solar by conning them to install dumb-meters. Now the punters are only getting a measly 6 cents per kWH whilst some scam artists is reselling the energy for 25 cents per kWH. What a con

They will make a fortune out of the money out of the hotels and motels will make putting millions of travellers every year, due to the fact that travel times have more than tripled.

The few measly dollars saved in fuel cost will be more than squandered in accommodation costs because an EV can't get to the end of a fkken driveway without needing a recharge.

"measly dollars on fuel" LOL

What about the rest of it ?

And here is a list of items which don't have to be serviced on an EV simply because it doesn't have them

- No ripoff petrol- No getting ripped off on service and maintenance- No oil changes- No oil filter to dispose of- No filthy carcinogenic sump oil to dispose of- No transmission to pack up and maintain- No spark plugs to change- No timing belt to change- No fuel filter to change- No radiator and hoses to change- No fuel injectors to pack up- No problems with contaminated fuel- No exhaust pipe to change- No toxic tail pipe emissions- No green house gas emissions- No catalytic converter- Create your own energy at home using your own rooftop PV array- Silent operation- No wars fort over oil- No environmentally damaging oil spills- regenerative braking recovers lost energy when braking- reduction in brake maintenance due to regenerative braking