I think that those that have been caught represent a small minority of those that cheat.

_________________Stu Ward_________________Let thy food be thy medicine, and thy medicine be thy food.~HippocratesStrength is the adaptation that leads to all other adaptations that you really care about - Charles Staley_________________Thanks TimD

Cy Wilson, an authority on the subject, puts the percentage of Olympic athletes using steroids at 80%.

On another board I read sometimes (a VERY hardcore BB board, the guys there are all 250lbs+ and lean) one of the administrators claims he used to sell growth hormone to the Australian swimming team.

There was a T-Nation article about it a while back too, basically saying that everyone uses and that the drug testers only ever really go after guys whose career is pretty much over anyway. Apparently (according to the article anyway) Linford Christie used to run out his back door when the tester guys showed up, and he was so fast no one could catch him!

Fun fact: If they had given Lance Armstrong's last Tour de France win to the next fastest racer who had never been implicated in doping, they'd have given it to the guy in 23rd place.

_________________Stu Ward_________________Let thy food be thy medicine, and thy medicine be thy food.~HippocratesStrength is the adaptation that leads to all other adaptations that you really care about - Charles Staley_________________Thanks TimD

in my opinion drugs are used by many world class athletes in sports, where you can have a big advantage with PEDs.

in my sport, football (soccer) there are very less known doping cases. the reason for this is that you can achieve a good physique for football without drugs. you don't need a super muscular body or a unnormal stamina to compete good in football and run for about 90 minutes.

some time ago adidas released a chip that you can place in your shoes to measure your speed, accelaration, distance etc. some guys of my club use it and have similar data in distance and also a good value in maximum speed in comparison to professionell players from the german bundesliga.

If taking a pill or a shot was the difference between making all of your dreams that you've worked your entire life for come true or washing dishes on the night shift for minimum wage, what would you choose?

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I always thought the Futurama joke got it right: in the future all PED's are mandatory. Removes all doubt and restores an apples-to-apples basis to the competition.

I used to think that, until I read David Walsh's book about Lance Armstrong. The guy/girl who can get hold of the best chemist will most probably win. There was a reason Armstrong was willing to pay Michele Ferrari over $1 million.

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I always thought the Futurama joke got it right: in the future all PED's are mandatory. Removes all doubt and restores an apples-to-apples basis to the competition.

I used to think that, until I read David Walsh's book about Lance Armstrong. The guy/girl who can get hold of the best chemist will most probably win. There was a reason Armstrong was willing to pay Michele Ferrari over $1 million.

As in, "A jury is a group of twelve people assembled for the purpose of determining who has the better lawyer."

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