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Knuckles McSmasher wrote:Grant Morrison is a fucking tool that tried to ruin the X-Men as a spy for DC!!

That's why the X-Men franchise is so amazing right no.... Oh wait.

Except for X-Factor and Uncanny X-Force (not counting the solo titles here), I can't be arsed to read X-Men anymore, simply because the current Status-Quo makes zero sense. Why in the hell should humanity be afraid of ~179 mutants who most likely still can't even repopulate their numbers through birth (Lets not go into the fact that those numbers of anything isn't a minority, but a endangered species, or the fact that neither Scott nor Logan should be the sole arbitrators of the future of mutantdom.)

I understand people may have had problems with the execution of Grant's vision, but at the same time, he laid the foundation for what the post Claremontian (and in turn Xavier/Magneto) mutant story could look like. If I had the choice, I would've taken all of the good and bad that came with that vision (while adjusting the bad along the way), with what we have now. Not only would we have a better range of stories, the whole entire thing wouldn't feel like they're building over rubbish that's better served erased.

SilverPhoenix wrote:That's why the X-Men franchise is so amazing right no.... Oh wait.

Except for X-Factor and Uncanny X-Force (not counting the solo titles here), I can't be arsed to read X-Men anymore, simply because the current Status-Quo makes zero sense. Why in the hell should humanity be afraid of ~179 mutants who most likely still can't even repopulate their numbers through birth (Lets not go into the fact that those numbers of anything isn't a minority, but a endangered species, or the fact that neither Scott nor Logan should be the sole arbitrators of the future of mutantdom.)

I understand people may have had problems with the execution of Grant's vision, but at the same time, he laid the foundation for what the post Claremontian (and in turn Xavier/Magneto) mutant story could look like. If I had the choice, I would've taken all of the good and bad that came with that vision (while adjusting the bad along the way), with what we have now. Not only would we have a better range of stories, the whole entire thing wouldn't feel like they're building over rubbish that's better served erased.

I was joking, I actually enjoyed Morrison's run up to the last arc where there were in the future.

SilverPhoenix wrote:That's why the X-Men franchise is so amazing right no.... Oh wait.

Except for X-Factor and Uncanny X-Force (not counting the solo titles here), I can't be arsed to read X-Men anymore, simply because the current Status-Quo makes zero sense. Why in the hell should humanity be afraid of ~179 mutants who most likely still can't even repopulate their numbers through birth (Lets not go into the fact that those numbers of anything isn't a minority, but a endangered species, or the fact that neither Scott nor Logan should be the sole arbitrators of the future of mutantdom.)

I understand people may have had problems with the execution of Grant's vision, but at the same time, he laid the foundation for what the post Claremontian (and in turn Xavier/Magneto) mutant story could look like. If I had the choice, I would've taken all of the good and bad that came with that vision (while adjusting the bad along the way), with what we have now. Not only would we have a better range of stories, the whole entire thing wouldn't feel like they're building over rubbish that's better served erased.

I love Morrison's run, but certain aspects of it don't really translate to mainstream continuity story. Most of it was phenomenal, but some parts worked better as out-of-continuity material.

Also. Why can't you grasp the world fearing 200 some-odd walking weapons of mass destruction? Furthermore, even if you get past their giant powers, you have to remember that prejudice and hatred rarely make sense.

If gay people all disappeared and there were only like 100 or so left, guess what, all those people who hate gay people so much? THEY'LL STILL HATE GAY PEOPLE. So I don't there's any stretch of logic there in the least, if anything, it makes complete sense that the people who hate mutants would see this as an opportunity to finally wipe the "scourge" off the face of the earth, don't give them a chance to recover, just smite them with mighty wrath of "god."

ThatGuyRoman wrote:I love Morrison's run, but certain aspects of it don't really translate to mainstream continuity story. Most of it was phenomenal, but some parts worked better as out-of-continuity material.

Also. Why can't you grasp the world fearing 200 some-odd walking weapons of mass destruction? Furthermore, even if you get past their giant powers, you have to remember that prejudice and hatred rarely make sense.

If gay people all disappeared and there were only like 100 or so left, guess what, all those people who hate gay people so much? THEY'LL STILL HATE GAY PEOPLE. So I don't there's any stretch of logic there in the least, if anything, it makes complete sense that the people who hate mutants would see this as an opportunity to finally wipe the "scourge" off the face of the earth, don't give them a chance to recover, just smite them with mighty wrath of "god."

Good Point... The X-Men Series has brought a lot of interesting story-arcs, if you ask me, instead of just good vs bad stories....

Cyclops and Emma have been nothing but douchebags for years now and the rest of the team should have jumped ship by now.Magneto on the same team as them? Right...WTF IS WRONG WITH COLOSSUS?Magik with him makes sense. With Cyke and Emma? Not so much.And Danger being there is even more questionable.This team does not gel together on any level whatsoever.

Pecs wrote:Cyclops and Emma have been nothing but douchebags for years now and the rest of the team should have jumped ship by now.Magneto on the same team as them? Right...WTF IS WRONG WITH COLOSSUS?Magik with him makes sense. With Cyke and Emma? Not so much.And Danger being there is even more questionable.This team does not gel together on any level whatsoever.

...did I mention that Colossus has never looked more pathetic?

Cyclops has been portrayed as a hardcase willing to do whatever he has to. Nick Fury with a visor.Emma was a villain and has never developed a normal moral compass.Magneto was a straight up villain. So was Magik. So was Danger.Colossus is obviously being whispered to by Cytorrak.

This team does gel. It's people who will do anything no matter how immoral or illegal to protect the mutant race.