I looked at Madge's posts from Day 3 and I didn't see her biased towards anyone so that was not much help. Most of her posts were defending her role as it was progressively outed by Vytron's chat buddies.

Van was under suspicion D2 and Az said twice that he didn't agree with it. Van also didn't immediately out Madge D3 (reason given that she thought Vytron might have been a lyncher for her), and didn't actually vote for her (in one post briefly followed by an immediate unvote in the same post!). And if SPACK was going to be talking to Van, he would have copped her and his role is one that could be a mole. So I find SPACK's claim plausible, but not exactly convincing. I know two moles is unlikely, but in the second film, Samir was an undercover cop also so that could lean towards SPACK being straight mafia.

If you find it unlikely that a mafia member would mention as suspicious and vote for a fellow team member two days in a row, then the remaining mafia member basically has to be J'O'J. So it's then down to which of them to lynch. And I was leaning J'O'J just in case SPACK could be useful to Town but we really can't ever really trust SPACK. In fact I think he might possibly be more useful dead than alive if the Cult recruit died with Az - if he dies and is a mole then we know Van is probably cult. The downside is if the cult could still recruit and we've killed an actual town allied, Mafia mole, Cult detector. But just writing that down makes the role seem so very unlikely... Holding my vote pending more thought and any further developments, but I'll pick by Thursday because I agree with VZ on the people not voting issue.

Ninja'dI need to think on a massclaim also. The main issue is that I can't see it helping to find cult because they have a 100% true townie role to claim.

Well, I honestly don't know what I can do with my role at this point.As you might have noticed, I haven't voted on day 2 or day 3. The role I got during N1 has the following power - whoever I will vote for will not be lynched if the majority is reached.I'm aligned town and my win condition is to save a townie from a lynch.

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Very convenient claim for J'O'J... Possible I suppose but not convincing me yet. I think I'd need a role name to confirm flavour.

SPACK, how bout you explain your choice of targets for the previous two nights? And if your role was vytrons why do you think he wouldn't have told us cult was around, something Town would really want to know as early as possible?

ThinkSweet wrote:Van was under suspicion D2 and Az said twice that he didn't agree with it. Van also didn't immediately out Madge D3 (reason given that she thought Vytron might have been a lyncher for her), and didn't actually vote for her (in one post briefly followed by an immediate unvote in the same post!). And if SPACK was going to be talking to Van, he would have copped her and his role is one that could be a mole. So I find SPACK's claim plausible, but not exactly convincing. I know two moles is unlikely, but in the second film, Samir was an undercover cop also so that could lean towards SPACK being straight mafia.

In my defense, I think that was a pretty reasonable way of dealing with it. As I (and some other people) said, it made no sense that Vytron would know so much. I still don't really understand wtf he got all his info from, but that's neither here nor there. Also, I unvoted Madge while saying "We're lynching her today, but let's talk first" and then Frogman saved us the trouble with a DK.

Jar'O'Jam wrote:Well, I honestly don't know what I can do with my role at this point.As you might have noticed, I haven't voted on day 2 or day 3. The role I got during N1 has the following power - whoever I will vote for will not be lynched if the majority is reached.I'm aligned town and my win condition is to save a townie from a lynch.

This is ridiculously specific. Moreso than having a role name, if this is actually a thing, the previous holder of this role should be able to come forward?

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EBWOP: I realized this right as I hit submit: JoJ's previous role could have originally belonged to someone who is now dead. Nevermind, roleclaim it is!

Oregonaut wrote:You are a fucking idiot. (Insult.)You say that you disapprove of sex before marriage, but you are fucking that idiot. (Ad hominem.)You say that you disapprove of sex outside of marriage, but you are fucking your mom. (Ad mominem.)

Welcome back to the game, JoJ! And thanks for posting not-in-flavour, it does make things a little easier to read.

That said, it's definitely a tough claim to swallow. I mean, it sounds like a decent role, and it wouldn't be too far-fetched given the other roles that have shown up, but at this stage there are very few people who didn't give some kind of claim of their original role, and none of them mentioned anything about messing up voting. Unfortunately, just about all the people who said nothing about their original roles are now dead, meaning that info is now lost to the ether. So no, I'm not really ready to believe that claim.

Still, SPACKlick's claim seems to be the most extraordinary. Probably because I much prefer to believe that the mafias were built symmetrically (although the question is, in a game like this why would I want to believe something so simple?), but also because it feels a bit like SPACKlick is floundering for a safeclaim at this point.

ThinkSweet wrote:Very convenient claim for J'O'J... Possible I suppose but not convincing me yet. I think I'd need a role name to confirm flavour.

SPACK, how bout you explain your choice of targets for the previous two nights? And if your role was vytrons why do you think he wouldn't have told us cult was around, something Town would really want to know as early as possible?

The role didn't say chow was cult, it just said to find chow.

I targeted ElectricHaze because of Something they said in private chat.I targeted vytron because he was suspicious as hell.I targeted Van because I didn't want to accidentally daychat a cultist.

Dr Ug has said I can point to my breadcrumbs now. Wei, I didn't avoid putting my role out there, I did what I could.

SPACKlick wrote:To Van and wei, if you're unsure what you've got, try asking me questions and I'll reveal what I can. I've already put some information out there but triple no on giving a role name. I'm sure some of you could work it out with a contrived role prune from earlier lists and hopefully you could also work out why it's worth keeping shtum.

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It seems I've got a bit more freedom now I'm outed. I'm think my role might mean my "scum partner" can't kill me. I would imagine with me having been fully outed they won't talk to me at night now.

If I had to guess on RoadieRich's death I'd say He was very talkative and talkative helps town and also he was one of the people I personally suspected of having a doctor/role blocker role.

So... According to SPACKlick, Kingsley's gang only has three real members. We had a vig in Carlington. If SPACK is town, frogman's daykill is under question since that would be a nice balance to the loss of a mafia member. (Or maybe not, since SPACKlick is scum based on further reading)

moody might be the last cult member. Happy enough with him as town in the meantime, but he should be lynched once we get everyone else (if the game hasn't ended yet). Talks too much about the cult again here.

SPACKlick wrote:... I'm a Faction Cop. I can tell if someone is Chow or not ... Vytron wasn't Chow Aligned night 2... Madge: ...you mentioned yesterday that you thought there might be a cult...I've got my eye on you but I'm not confident about it.

ThinkSweet's three player anaysis is pretty weak for Madge and freezeblade, and much stronger for ElectricHaze (including a couple new points). The weakness feels scummy, but the focus on EH is good. While it's common for a scum player to throw a buddy into a list of three, it's very uncommon to see the buddy come out strongly on top (though no vote was cast here, it's pretty obviously a strongish read).

Another SPACK post. ThinkSweet is definitely not a scum buddy with SPACK. SPACK is definitely covering for a scum buddy in ElectricHaze, not an insider who knows he's scum.

SPACK defends EH again, explicitly trying to get the ThinkSweet wagon to overtake the EH wagon and even more explicitly expecting a Kingsley flip from ThinkSweet!

Freezeblade has been lynched. It is now night. Deadline is Sunday night (6 days from now)

I am suspicious of Van and ConMan based exclusively on these votals. SPACKlick successfully derailed the EH wagon to freezeblade (again proving that he wants to keep his scummates alive). He probably needed help to make that happen.

Then we're into Day 4 where some stuff happened. SPACK went after Van as the Cult member, which could very easily be a bus. Otherwise... we've got a pretty solid town block going here.

I am busy dying under a mountain of organic chemistry and physics homework. There's a reason I dropped out of Cavemafia Sorry! I should have a bit of free time tomorrow evening, which I think is still before the deadline.

Oregonaut wrote:You are a fucking idiot. (Insult.)You say that you disapprove of sex before marriage, but you are fucking that idiot. (Ad hominem.)You say that you disapprove of sex outside of marriage, but you are fucking your mom. (Ad mominem.)

I told you what my role was yesterday. And I genuinely didn't know how else to prove who I was, besides voting for SPACKlick yesterday - I know I'd most likely be forfeiting my main win condition, but I do have the secondary one, which is to simply stay alive with the town.

Not that the whole thing mattered, since my vote wasn't even counted for some reason, at least this wasn't part of the "Room Spinning" PM I got from Dr Ug.

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I definitely want to hear JoJ's answers to SDK's questions, so I'm not voting yet, but I am definitely on board this particular bandwagon. Unfortunately, Dr Ug will almost certainly not let us know whether yesterday's lynch should have been affected by JoJ's vote, so we can't confirm or deny his ability. Still, it seems strange that he would make such a claim, then drop a last-minute vote, if the result was going to go any other way than what he claimed.

At this point, though, I think JoJ and SDK are my top candidates for remaining scum. I can't reveal all of my reasons why here yet (although I've outlined them in mason chat a bit more), but I think the timing is good for some people to make some claims and I would particularly like to see SDK's.

So, the most recent case against JoJ was the lynch liars principle, which was apparently nullified by the mod's admission. Other than that, I don't see anything to implicate him. If anyone else wants to make a case, be my guest.

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Tigerlion wrote:Well, I imagine as the game progresses, various people will be getting moody.

If we are considering a massclaim, I think the order should be something like the following:

JoJ - scummiest should be firstMoody & SDK - I believe these two have not discussed their current roles at allThinksweet/VectorZero/conman - we have already claimed in chat and a variation will be reported by one of the othersWeiyaoliFrogman & Infina - already claimed