Funny thing is that Barry would totally do it if he could get the votes in either house of congress. Romney would have held it out as a bargaining chip. Not happening when the reps just have to close ranks and it stops literally anything, and they will do it just to score political points. Gridlock is awesome, and kinda the whole point of the checks and balances system. When the man said "government is best that which governs least" what he meant is that if we hold popularity contests(elections) to weed out the sociopaths from any given population and send them all into one town and turn them all all against eachother, they won't have time to hurt anyone.

Seems to work perfectly for about a century or so, and then things start getting piled up and they can't be undone because the system is based on the idea of retarding anything getting done at all.

TheNewJesus:I live in a red state and I am surrounded by privileged tea-party assholes.

What sort of handgun do you guys suggest so that I can protect myself once these crazies decide to start "revoultion inc."

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Handgun? Glock 17 with a whole lot of 33 round magazines. It shoots 9mm which is one of the more inexpensive rounds out there.

For home protection a sturdy 12 Guage pump shotgun is pretty effective. Load it with 00 buckshot.

Honestly though, if we are talking about home protection there are a number of things that can be done to deter someone from even entering before you get into a gunfight. Shooting is a last resort scenario.

All great info, thanks. After finding my STG58 not as tinker friendly as I'd hoped, and still kinda expensive to feed! I think an AR platform may be just the ticket. The options and selection is just beautiful, like a .223 shooting lego

2CountyFairs:That's not their fear, though. They don't say "we'll pay more for ammo" or "we won't have access to foreign made guns". The people I'm talking about are foaming at the mouth because they think that the treaty will allow the UN to come to their home and take their guns and that the treaty will nullify the 2nd amendment.

hdhale:"What I'm trying to do is to get a broader conversation about how do we reduce the violence generally. Part of it is seeing if we can get an assault weapons ban reintroduced." --Barrack Obama

Then Mr. President, you are a moron, or at least so steeped in nonsensical political rhetoric, you can't see the facts.

Chicago, the place where you, Mr. President cut your political teeth, has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation. It also has one of the highest murder rates, violent crime rates, and highest incidents of gun violence.

Across the US, generally speaking, the places that have the strictest gun control laws have the highest violent crime rates. During your administration, Mr. President, the number of semiautomatic rifles on the streets of the US has skyrocketed, as have the number of semiautomatic pistols that come equipped with clips that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition. If what you are saying is true, the US should now resemble Beirut during the high of the civil war there in the 1980s. In reality, the national violent crime rate has declined.

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At best, there is no correlation between gun laws and the violent crime rate, if anything it is a negative correlation.

You, Mr. President, have work out a plan to see that trillions in debt is repaid. You have to work out a budget and get it through Congress that is balanced or at least heading in that direction just once during your time in office. We have enemies in foreign lands who have stated that they will kill us if given the chance. We have enemies both in foreign lands and domestically that poison our children with drugs and thus far we have shown no ability to stop them. The money spent on making sure Billy Bob can't get his 7.62 semiautomatic rifle with a 30 round clip would be much better spent on mental health diagnosis and treatment and programs that steer youth away from gangs and drugs in our inner cities. You, Mr. President, have other thin ...

I go to the shows from time to time, and there's always signs out in front of various booths telling people to hurry up and buy before *insert democrat name* takes them away.

Fact is, your crazy to blow all your money buying up as much as you can. If there's a war on our soil, there will be plenty of people shoving in to your hands, better weapons than you can legally buy today.

I'm not saying it's a bad idea to have a few of them yourself with lots of ammo, but don't be frightened in to blowing all your disposable income on a big stockpile.

Gun shows are hives of stupidity and ignorance. I like going to them to get deals on stuff (idiots selling good milsurp to buy some sub-par AK (Century) or AR). But the people who attend them, and jack prices, are the biggest morons around. The people that Barnum was talking about.

A friend of mine called me from a gun show this weekend. Said ammo prices had damn near doubled over last year's prices. Idiot's drive that market increase, give it two years and prices will go down again.