Clearing the USA

All the orgs in the LA area are ideal (and there are more of them than anywhere on earth) — how are you doing clearing the LA area? If you made a total of 100 Clears in the last year between all the LA area orgs it would be VERY surprising. And certainly nowhere close to 1,000. At that rate, you’re not even going to clear 3 blocks around each org this century.

Florida is “fully ideal” — even has Ideal Missions. Not even making a scratch on clearing this state.

If all 60 orgs in the US were Ideal — each would have to Clear 5 million people (providing the population didn’t increase). If they wanted to accomplish this in 10 years they would have to Clear 500,000 per year or 10,000 PER WEEK. The current ideal org, even if FULL TO CAPACITY could probably turn out 10 Clears per week if they really pushed it.

Still NOT EVEN IN THE SAME BALLPARK. Not even 0.1% of the way there if EVERY ORG IN THE US WAS IDEAL AND OPERATING AT FULL CAPACITY to Clear the US in 10 years.

They are focused on the wrong thing entirely They don’t need to expand tha capacity of the existing orgs, they need 60,000 NEW ORGS.

These people simply convince themselves if they talk about it, it somehow makes it real. It’s the definition of insanity. They are literally talking to themselves about their grand delusions that bear no relationship to reality.

I’ve been trying to trying to figure out what that admission might mean. Is it that only about 2,000 of their 20,000 or so actual members have gotten that far up the “bridge”? But it seemed like there had been a real push on in recent years to get people, including older hangers-on, to go “clear,” as evidenced in part by the increasing numbers on clear certificates, so I’d guess that the number is actually more like 5,000 or even higher. Are a lot of those people becoming disillusioned and dropping out? Or did Scientology just have to fudge their figures in order to try to keep their propaganda claims and lies consistent, presenting a fewer portion of clears in order to keep up claims of much larger membership, such as leading the scholar to believe that they have 20,000 clears out of a supposed membership of 200,000?

Since clear numbers being issued are just below 70,000, the 90% figure would seem to be at least an admission that they can’t have had a whole lot more than half a million members over their entire history. While there’s often some reality to be ferreted out underneath Scientology’s propaganda claims, it’s possible that this is a case where they’re falling back on an old number that doesn’t particularly relate to current figures.

Just to make myself clear, I do not now, nor have I ever subscribed to Tubby’s long-outdated bigotry about African-Americans. In fact, if I had to choose between the two groups’ bigotry, I’d have to agree a bit more with the NOI’s version, that Blacks were the original race and that all other colors descended from them. As non-Black and not suicidal or self-loathing, I can’t quite buy into the white devil balderdash. Oh, GOSH, their conspiracy theories are OUT THERE!, hooking just slightly into the judeo-christian faiths as a way to corral the black Southern Baptists, I suppose, but it’s a strange sciency-fictiony mythology that might just dovetail sufficiently with Tubby’s wacky-tobaccy or his ‘pinks and blues’ cosmology hallucinations to go with his “history-of-man” stream-of-Nibs’-unconsciousness hallucinations.

AFAICT, anything above the TRs came from someone’s hallucinations, often drug-induced. I have always wondered whether he tried the Amazonian Ayuhaska [spelling?] trippy hallucinogen, which was on a Discovery channel show on psychoactive pharmacopoeia, and showed the effects so graphically. It seemed to tick every one of Ron’s boxes on mind-expansion.

Thinking a bit more on the NOI/scn mash-up, I’m beginning to think that the power struggles are already started, given Tubby’s oft-repeated opinions on “Africans”, cannibals, and such. As some NOI members get a little more involved, they’re going to be VERY unhappy campers, perhaps homicidally so, which IMO, ain’t an entirely horrible development.

BTW, commenting on Tony’s story today: What’s the thing with an AO in South Africa, anyway? Do the SA Idle Morgs create even one ‘clear’ a year? would there be any over-riding reason that non South-Africans would choose AOSA over AOEU or AOSHUK?Americans, from North, South or Central America, would probably go to LA over SA, due to many (all around) speaking Spanish, which, AFAICT isn’t much spoken in SA, and I hear SA STILL has prejudices against non-whites, making it a non-destination for discerning non-white scientologists

J.T., if they produce ANY clears in ANY years, they’ll take several billion years to clear the planet, assuming they don’t get wiped out first. More likely, considering their rapacious regging tactics, their many illegal actions and policies, it won’t take even a thousand years to properly ‘clear’ the planet — OF scientology. Probably, it’ll occur within 50 or so years I certainly don’t see scientology changing into a positive, expanding concern, ever. That would require scientology somehow magically delivering on its broken promises,which can’t happen while it refuses to change one iota. Once DM dies or is incapacitated, that will be ‘it’, the start of the final slide or free-fall to Scientology’s implosion, since Davie can’t keep anyone remotely capable in “his” organization so he can’t designate an heir to the throne. More likely, it’ll be ‘survival of the unfittest’, just how Dave managed his ascension, but probably bloodier, with more claimants(possibly all or most of the then-extant bubble-dwellers. (I’m envisioning there might be as many as a dozen left in 30-40 years when all his bad health habits have turned him into another Howard Hughes wannabe, paranoid and hiding in a motor-home most of the time between now and then . Of course, by then there will be no one to “rule” other than the losers in the war; no public, no SO, no slush-fund left after DM’s depredation. Probably no English-speakers left, either. Descendants of the NOI will likely be the only active cells left, damned ‘Black cockroaches'( stealing what I imagine Ron would have thought of those Islamicists, particularly this “American” “re-incarnation”, now that they’ve been transformed into a wholly-African, Black-supremacist institution that seems to have been sucked into “Dave-ology”, hook, line, and sinker. I don’t plan to be standing around, spectating, but there are certainly signs pointing toward very interesting times for scn-NOI
(S’NOI?
naaaah,
NOIS, since NOI is SO much bigger and dynamic once DM’s out of the way.) Given NOI’s apparent history, I can see an assassination as a very real possibility for him darkly through DM’s whiskey glass. Some of those folks are HELL on alcoholics like him, especially when they’re ALSO fornicators like DM, which would presage the power struggles within NOI-Scn/[NOIS], the shot heard ’round the Gold Base, (inaudible/unnoticed outside its environs.)

Interesting thought on the neubian take-over scenario. They could even theme it in with the space opera about some invader force that came to earth hundreds of years ago from an untainted star system with the fall of a black meteorite around 713 AD. Then again, the meccabians may not be so benign. Then again again, it’s all speculative nonsense.
(See the posit then the immediate invalidative denial?! That’s the secret schzeuan sauce you gotta use when speculating.)

Does anyone here think dave doesn’t really know about the attrition rate of people getting services and new blood not coming in ? Why all the new orgs ? he is just spending millions for his ego and to try to get more raw meat in the doors.I’m surprised he isn’t taking the $ and running and hiding yet.

I’ve really begun to lose faith in the future of this country. When the Best that can be offered up as presidential candidates are the likes of The Trump and The Frump, and our government* allows cult organizations like $cientology, the JW’s, the Mormons, and many others (too numerous to mention) to exist as tax exempt entities, it’s time to Wake up and start demanding accountability from *The Hired Help.

I don’t agree that Any ‘church’ or charitable organization should be granted Blanket tax exemption. Rather, they should be required to provide records of Actual Charitable Efforts, Services, and/or Donations and emption should be granted for Those Items/Funds Only. Erection of additional churches/buildings and other non-charitable endeavors or expenses (such as salaries, utilities, media/tv, publishing, travel, legal, accounting, etc., etc., etc.) are non-exempt Business Operating Expenses. And, basically, underneath it all, they are All businesses! If Anything, that’ll finish off the Cults and TV Evangelists!

It came upon a cog unclear,
That fabulous con of old,
From regges hovering near the sheep,
To mine their share gold:
“Demand more cash, ill will to men”
From Davy all decked in bling!
The world in solemn disbelief
To hear the devil sing.

Currently favoured demographic models have global population growth slowing, and peaking at around 10 billion in 2050, before beginning to decline slowly. Therefore, if they produce 1 clear per year, it’s simply a matter of several billion years before they clear the planet!

Ah but there is a caveat! In one of LRH references he says that they don’t have to clear each and every person on the planet to clear the planet. They won’t clear the minions and lesser beings because just by clearing the able etc, they’ll have enough free theta created to overwhelm the planet with wonderful theta. That’s the plan anyway. but what if they don’t want to clear “the little people” cuz they figure there still has to be a slave element to work for and do the bidding of all the Big Beings?

Hey Mike. I thought you might be interested in seeing some of the posts that people are making to one of the best TV review sites. This site has a forum for your program about Scientology. I am not including the text of the posts but just a link to one page so you can read what some of the reactions are to this season.

There is a large number of posts made by people who are “Never Ins” and I figured that if you have never read any of the posts that people have made on this site, you may find some of them interesting.

It was great to see so many new screenames and people interested and wanting to become involved! Also seeing the support everyone seems to feel for Mike & Leah in shining a light on this darkness – people are VERY frustrated and wanting to find ways to get involved – that’s truly what seems to be the best way to force those in power to take action!

If enough of us are “screaming” on social media, in letters, via protests and getting stories out there (like the show, this & Tony’s blog, Jeffrey Augustine’s excellent Scientology Money Project which connects the dots in “following the money” so the IRS & FBI can’t say they don’t have the resource to comb through all the info since he & contributors are doing just that for them!) then the potential PR nightmare alone might be the very thing to spur authorities to take action finally since public sentiment is so strong!

Sorry for the novel, I just REALLY want to see us all rally this season (especially, since the general public is easily distracted once things aren’t as “fresh”) so that investigations are finally started because the outcry has become so loud!

By crossing the bridge to a non-$cientology way of life and vowing to remain cult-free. That will be the only way to know TRUE freedom. Any path through Little Davey’s cash-craving cult will result in hell on Earth for the one precious lifetime you’ve been allotted.

Could our USA even survive with 327 million of us spending all our days and half the nights trying to become good little ronbots? I doubt it. Who would perform the civic jobs – from mayor through firemen and police down to trash collectors; who would serve us through our car windows at fast food places, who would enlist in the military and go to places where there are no Ideal Morgs, or orgs of any sort?

“Yes, mother, our house burned down because they wouldn’t let the firemen out of session, and the police were all in sauna and couldn’t leave. But it’s OK, we can berth just that much closer to the org, they set up a campground in the parking lot. We need money to rent a porta-potty, the org is too broke to rent it themselves. Yes, mom, I’ll make sure they don’t steal our TP like they did last time. Sigh – we pulled in our disaster, so we have to pay our way out of it. No, I don’t know how we are going to pay for the sec checks. I’m sure something in that money seminar on Friday will tells us how to do it. Will you buy us tickets to it, and come to the parking lot to babysit? Please? Just this one last time? Just don’t forget the porta-potty, we don’t have enough gas to keep running the kids to McDonalds to pee.”

It is inconceivable on the face of it that more than a tiny percent of the population could become full-time Scientologists. It takes too much time, too much effort, and too much money – and all too often one has to go back and start over again at the bottom.

“These people simply convince themselves if they talk about it, it somehow makes it real. It’s the definition of insanity. They are literally talking to themselves about their grand delusions that bear no relationship to reality.” hahahaha. I agree totally Mike. If they say it…it must be true! If they can imagine it…it must be true! Forget those pesky numbers like 10,000 clears needed every week, they just get in the way of their postulates. LOL I saw that same message from them in 1970-1989…every year the planet is almost clear so lets have another event…it just means hey!!! we need more money now!!! Repeat. Bigger buildings doesn’t make clears!

Per LRH the two products of an org are: 1. Number of Well Done Auditing Hours delivered and Number of Clears Made(processing) and 2. Number of auditors made (training). Still ins and lurkers need to ask themselves: How many Clears are being made compared to decades ago? How many Clears are being made in relation to the overall population at large? Is clearing the planet a possibility based on number being made and population? And ask yourselves, why was the Briefing Course, the biggest place to produce auditors, done away with? The briefing course has not existed for at least 8 to 10 years now. So no Class VI auditors being made. Ask yourself, why is there no Class VIII Course where they make Class VIII auditors. The Class VIII course has not existed for decades now. So the two major products of an org do not exist anymore. The major stat now is number of new Ideal Orgs opening and $ amount of money regged for donations. Donations are preferred by DM because then no delivery has to be made for that money. He and the orgs do nothing for that money other than buy real estate to enrich DM and to be able to continue on being eligible for the Tax Exemption Status. Why can none of the still ins see this? It is so clear and obvious.

Acquiring hundreds of millions of dollars of property in this way, using other peoples money, is an Ideal real estate scam!

Unfortunately, not a single individual under the control of the Scientology “church” will ever achieve total freedom.

It’s not possible to be free when you’re connected to an organization which is run in a criminal and insane fashion, especially after you’ve signed away all your civil and legal rights in order to become a member.

The only path towards freedom for those individuals is in the direction of the door underneath the ‘exit’ sign.

they won’t, the majority of them will join staff and Sea Org, this is what will be counted upon. The only way the Church of Scientology can win the overall battle is through Government help and that believe me is NOT out of the question.

How can less then 20 thousand $cientologists set up and operate 60,000 NEW ORGS? Here 8 year old Denise, you come from a nice $cientology family, here’s your Org.

The Clam scam is done, it just needs someone to check it with a fork. That fork will pierce the bubble and let in some fresh air. This is why the ‘ideal orgs’ have video kiosks to spread the ‘good news’, no human being wants to do that job. .

Just my opinion but DM could care less about anything except perpetuating the illusion that what he is doing is for the sake of clearing the planet. As long as people keep clearing out their bank accounts and giving the money to him personally for his own personal luxury style of living he’s one content little dude. Why would he stop now? He’s never going to stop until the only clearing that happens is the people who give him money. Then he can retire to some nice tropical island with no extradition and enough money to be waited on hand and foot. Left in the wake of what he and LRH created are empty buildings and a lot of people who will have the chance to rebuild a life for themselves.

You’ve just hit every nail square on the head, Peggy L. Miscavige’s only index of “viability” is the donations’s stats. He will be around as long as the Still Ins give him money in sufficient volume (whatever he considers that figure to be). When that slows down enough he’s gone.

Perversely, I can’t wait for the silent Still In celebs and whales to figure out how they’ve been ripped off. Boy, am I going to laugh.

Know why? Because they KNOW.

There’s no way they don’t know the truth.

Well,they’re going to get what’s coming to them.

In fact, celeb or not, whale or not, every staff member, Sea Org member of public, every Still In who KNOWS and yet STILL supports the criminal Miscavige and his criminal organization is going to get what’s coming to him. Or her.

At least, as much as I supported these criminals over the years, at least it wasn’t KNOWINGLY. At least I don’t have THAT on my conscience. When I found out what CO$ had done and was doing I made plans to leave and LEFT. And thank God I did because I feel guilty enough having supported them in a state of not-knowing the truth.

Frankly, I don’t know how these people, knowing, live with themselves.

Aquamarine, your heart was in the right place when you joined! Thank goodness you were in a position to actually see what was going on. I’m with you that it’s hard to believe that the majority of those still in know what’s going on, especially the celebs who walk in the free world. When those walls come tumbling down, and Miscavige tries to escape to his private jet, I doubt there’s anywhere deep enough for him to hide. There’s going to be a lot of ticked off people with the resources and contacts to track him down and try to recoup some of their money.

Admitting the truth to one’s self Aqua is often a very difficult thing for some people. They can’t stand to think that they were wrong, that they got sucked into something that they should have “known better then to get involved with”.

I can imagine many people who were former “ins” to this day are thinking to themselves “what was I thinking”, “how could I have been so stupid to believe ANY of that”, “why didn’t I get out sooner cause I knew something wasn’t right”….etc etc etc.

Being brave enough to admit that to one’s self…..is the firs step in setting yourself free. I am so proud of you girl!

Either stop with the clever, smartass remarks right now or I will find out where you live(since you won’t tell me), come over to your house and give you the biggest, sloppiest, kiss you’ve probably ever had!
Oh, and by the way, here’s that Freedom Medal I promised you a while back.

“Some of these orgs have been Ideal for a decade. Why don’t we see their massive expansion, stats and reach highlighted in the magazines or in the event videos? ”

“How many first service starts should an Ideal Org be making per week? With 60 ideal orgs, even ten a week would be bringing a couple of thousand new people in every month” … we should see videos about THAT!!

Oh…..to get away with being one of the snarky fringe people at the back of the room. 🙂

If the tech actually worked, public would see results and rush onto the bridge. Thus expansion would occur naturally. The fact that this isn’t happening demonstrates the basic defect. It just doesn’t work. Simple and true.

OSA and Lurkers – he is a piece of data you may want to wrap your mind around…. or not – we don’t really care.

If you want to waste your life serving a criminal thug and a charlatan – your choice.

Just remember – you are choosing to NOT LOOK at everything so you can do your doubt formula for real.

By ignoring the facts that people are getting hurt by Scientololgy – It is your fault.

YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE for anyone getting hurt by Scientology and you will have to live with yourself if there are more suicides, bankruptcies, foreclosures, divorces, shattered families, early deaths and illnesses caused by enduring too much stress.

For those of you doing your Doubt formula for real….take a look.

This comes from actual data and statistics:

World Birth and Death Rates

Birth Rate Death Rate

• 19 births/1,000 population • 8 deaths/1,000 population
• 131.4 million births per year • 55.3 million people die each year
• 360,000 births per day • 151,600 people die each day
• 15,000 births each hour • 6,316 people die each hour

How many people die a day in the US?
According to the United Nations World Population Prospects report, approximately 7,452 people die every day in the United States. In other words, a person dies in the US approximately every 12 seconds.

Certainly in 65 years – Scientologists who are Clear and dropped their bodies would have come back by now.

Not only were they in the danger zone and must do their OT levels….. They have to do GAT II and re do their Purif.

Now please clear every word here focusing on the RESPONSIBLE and work out in CLAY the following question…

I have argued this a lot. Supposedly people can pick up another body, locate the PC folders from the previous lifetime and start again where they left off. Anything else would be out-tech, like having a NOTS completion redo the grades or NED. But I have never heard of this happening ever. I believe the little munchkin at the top forbids it. It really just proves that auditing gains are all in your head, and just a very expensive trap.

Except the flow out of Scientology is at least 20 times the flow in. I wish we could see the real numbers. It would be something. Number of clears made each year along with number of former clears stripped of status. Number of OTs made each year along with number of former OTs now declared SPs. That would be interesting. I’d even watch Scientology TV for half an hour if I could see the real numbers over time. (Not that I think I’d ever get them from them. Just sayin’.)

Crossing & leaving? It should show fewer-close-to-none crossing up and many more leaving disappointed and disillusioned in a hurry. That’s one rickety & almost collapsed bridge though you don’t want to be caught dead on.

Important Quotes

If the org slumps during this transition period, don't engage in "fund raising"
or "selling postcards" or borrowing money. Just make more income with Scientology.
L Ron Hubbard From HCOPL URGENT ORG PROGRAMMING

"We own a tremendous amount of property. We own a tremendous amount of material and so forth, and it keeps growing.
But that’s not important. When buildings get important to us, for God sakes, some of you born revolutionists will you please blow up central headquarters".
L Ron Hubbard Lecture 31 Dec 1960

"Personal integrity is knowing what you know. What you know is what you know and to have the courage to know and say what you have observed".- LRH from Personal Integrity

"It is necessary to happiness of man, that he be mentally faithful to himself. Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists of professing to believe what he does not believe." Thomas Paine

“Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.” - Martin Luther King

“The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.” - Martin Luther King

“There comes a time when silence is betrayal.” - Martin Luther King Jr.

“Communication is the universal solvent” - L Ron Hubbard

“When men yield up the privilege of thinking, the last shadow of liberty quits the horizon.” Thomas Paine

"Never be afraid to raise your voice for honesty and truth and compassion against injustice and lying and greed. If people all over the world would do this, it would change the earth." William Faulkner

"The ultimate authority must always rest with the individual's own reason and critical analysis." Dalai Lama