Well that didn't leave me crying in a corner or wanting to jump off a cliff or anything.

I'm so pissed at both brothers right now. Sam for not trusting Dean more and allowing Martin to knock him out like that and still walk out of that room. Dean for another round of "Benny is better than Sam" remarks. My heart was breaking at Sam's reaction and comment back, "it must be so nice to find someone that you can trust after all these years". I honestly think I chocked on a sob right there. Then you have the phone trick. That was just about the lowest thing he's ever done to Sam. I literally cringe thinking about how it was even premeditated. Ugh. These two just cannot stop screwing each other over. I don't know how much more I can take of this and now I get SIX WEEKS to let this fester. Do not want.

Benny. I'm annoyed that he's turned out to be decent. Only for one reason. Because just once I'd like Sam to be right. But nope, always Sam is making the wrong choice or trusting the wrong people/monsters. Dean is always right and the monster he chooses to trust is good. OF COURSE! UGH.

I know they have a plan. I know this is not forever but it really sucks. Now what, Amelia is back in the current day picture? What about Don? I swear to GOD this better not turn into some stupid love triangle because that is about the last thing this show needs. It's just not that kind of TV (and thank you for not making Don some abusive jerk that we actively rooted against, which I was kind of thinking before). And I guess that clears up the "is she real" argument as she obviously is. Is there anything "supernatural" about her or the relationship with Sam? I doubt it but could be. I honestly keep leaning toward the possibility that Sam might have been about ready to just drive until he drove off a cliff when he hit that dog. Him telling Amelia in the flashback that she saved him was so earnest, so heartfelt and seemed to have such underlying depth that my mind just goes there. I'm not sure if I love or hate that idea honestly.

I just realized as I'm typing all this. Benny is Sam's insecurity. Amelia is Dean's. Dean has always had abandonment issues and always with Sam since he left them for college. Amelia is everything normal that Dean knows Sam wanted. Ugh. Benny is the one person that hasn't failed Dean. Sam feels like his entire life is one failure after another, especially where Dean is concerned. I just cannot deal with these two right now. I'm gonna go over here and cry some more while you all give your thoughts on the episode and my post.

Benny. I'm annoyed that he's turned out to be decent. Only for one reason. Because just once I'd like Sam to be right. But nope, always Sam is making the wrong choice or trusting the wrong people/monsters. Dean is always right and the monster he chooses to trust is good. OF COURSE! UGH.

I kind of got the feeling when in purgatory Benny didn't have the need to feed and being Dean's buddy was easy. Now that he's in the real world his desire to feed is returning. I think he wants to be good, but the monster inside of him will eventually win out. Benny killing Martin could be what completely re-awakens his inner monster, and it also ensures Sam will likely send other hunters after him, never letting him try to live a normal life. If I'm right that is..

Also the Alpha vamp said he would see us next season, so maybe Benny will hook up with him.

I'm so pissed at both brothers right now. Sam for not trusting Dean more and allowing Martin to knock him out like that and still walk out of that room. Dean for another round of "Benny is better than Sam" remarks. My heart was breaking at Sam's reaction and comment back, "it must be so nice to find someone that you can trust after all these years". I honestly think I chocked on a sob right there. Then you have the phone trick. That was just about the lowest thing he's ever done to Sam. I literally cringe thinking about how it was even premeditated. Ugh. These two just cannot stop screwing each other over. I don't know how much more I can take of this and now I get SIX WEEKS to let this fester. Do not want.

We all have to wait six weeks.
Now you get to suffer along with the rest of us.

I agree with you that the fake text message is the lowest thing he's ever done and if I was Sam's position, it would be very difficult for me to forgive that anytime soon.

Dean is obviously lashing out at Sam and he needs to really analyze the why here.

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Benny. I'm annoyed that he's turned out to be decent. Only for one reason. Because just once I'd like Sam to be right. But nope, always Sam is making the wrong choice or trusting the wrong people/monsters. Dean is always right and the monster he chooses to trust is good. OF COURSE! UGH.

I think that deep down, Dean wants the perfect relationship with someone.
Someone who won't ever let him down, who will always have his back.

The problem is that human beings are flawed and what he wants is impossible.

Killing monsters is easy.
Relationships with humans, that's hard.

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I kind of got the feeling when in purgatory Benny didn't have the need to feed and being Dean's buddy was easy. Now that he's in the real world his desire to feed is returning. I think he wants to be good, but the monster inside of him will eventually win out. Benny killing Martin could be what completely re-awakens his inner monster, and it also ensures Sam will likely send other hunters after him, never letting him try to live a normal life. If I'm right that is..

Actually, Benny explicitly said that his hunger wasn't an issue in Purgatory.

I kind of got the feeling when in purgatory Benny didn't have the need to feed and being Dean's buddy was easy. Now that he's in the real world his desire to feed is returning. I think he wants to be good, but the monster inside of him will eventually win out. Benny killing Martin could be what completely re-awakens his inner monster, and it also ensures Sam will likely send other hunters after him, never letting him try to live a normal life. If I'm right that is..

Also the Alpha vamp said he would see us next season, so maybe Benny will hook up with him.

Do we KNOW that Benny killed Martin? He had put his head on the counter for Martin to behead him. Martin lunged at him with the machete. Elizabeth screams... CUT! We don't know exactly what happened after that. The only thing we DO know is that later, when Dean arrives, Elizabeth is covered in blood. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Benny killed him.

We'll find out in six weeks...

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Do we KNOW that Benny killed Martin? ... I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Benny killed him.

That's what I was gonna ask. That scene confused us because it wasn't clear exactly what happened. Maybe Benny laid his head down as a ploy to get Martin away from the girl and near him, but we don't know. Sure, on the phone Dean implied that Benny had done it with his comment "He had it coming.." But I don't think we know for sure. It seemed odd that he would fight so hard against his vamp urges in that scene, just to give in to it a moment later.

Don't know if it was bad writing, or intentionally vague. But the season has been good so far, so I'm leaning toward the later.

sorry for the long multiquote but you know I have lots to say always on this show!

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Also the Alpha vamp said he would see us next season, so maybe Benny will hook up with him.

I'm sure at some point he has to make it back to the show.

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We all have to wait six weeks.
Now you get to suffer along with the rest of us.

Yes and you did warn me about this. And told me how lucky I was watching previous seasons all at once. This is horrible. I'm still not over this week's episode. This show consumes me.

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I agree with you that the fake text message is the lowest thing he's ever done and if I was Sam's position, it would be very difficult for me to forgive that anytime soon.

But it's Dean and he's Sam so he will forgive him pretty easily.

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Dean is obviously lashing out at Sam and he needs to really analyze the why here. I think that deep down, Dean wants the perfect relationship with someone. Someone who won't ever let him down, who will always have his back. The problem is that human beings are flawed and what he wants is impossible.

This I disagree on. I think the problem with Dean is abandonment issues. Everyone in his life leaves him. He keeps saying "everyone lets me down" but I hear "everyone leaves me" and that's especially true of how he feels about Sam. It's always been his insecurity with Sam since the pilot. Sam left HIM to go to college. Sam is always the one to walk away in a fight. Sam wants a normal life which means in Dean's head that Sam doesn't want to be with him. Then he comes back from purgatory and finds Sam didn't look for him, got with a girl and had a normal life. Then the emails about college. Yeah his old insecurity is screaming. That's why he's hitting so low. He's pushing Sam away without even realizing it because he's scared Sam will leave him anyhow.

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Do we KNOW that Benny killed Martin? He had put his head on the counter for Martin to behead him. Martin lunged at him with the machete. Elizabeth screams... CUT! We don't know exactly what happened after that. The only thing we DO know is that later, when Dean arrives, Elizabeth is covered in blood. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Benny killed him.
We'll find out in six weeks...

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Originally Posted by Michelle5150

That's what I was gonna ask. That scene confused us because it wasn't clear exactly what happened. Maybe Benny laid his head down as a ploy to get Martin away from the girl and near him, but we don't know. Sure, on the phone Dean implied that Benny had done it with his comment "He had it coming.." But I don't think we know for sure. It seemed odd that he would fight so hard against his vamp urges in that scene, just to give in to it a moment later.

Don't know if it was bad writing, or intentionally vague. But the season has been good so far, so I'm leaning toward the later.

I think it's pretty clear it was Benny. Look at the screenshot. His throat is a mess.

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Spoilered, even though it's just speculation.

Spoiler:

It will be revealed that Benny secretly "turned" Elizabeth, and it was her that killed Martin.