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The following is a rewrite of naybor2deli's "norris st deli" post. I hope this helps in the conversation. I have to confess that I struggled to understand what was originally written, so I have invested substantial time to clarify it. I hope I didn't distort the original writer's intended message. I've given the best understanding I have. The original thread is here: http://fishtown.us/content/forum/norris-st-deli-0

Sometimes I'm amazed how people give their opinions on something, but truly have no clue what they are taking about. These are, after all, merely your opinions. They are in no way backed up by any facts. I live right next to that deli, and I know a lot of people who hang there (briefly) and who come in and out of that store.

If you want to talk about drug dealers and selling drugs, you should focus your attention on Fishtown Market. Look at which and what kind of kids hang out on that corner, and hung out at Emo's when they were in business. (I am in no way insinuating Fishtown Market or Emo's was involved in selling drugs.)

Answer this with facts: When was anyone ever locked up on the corner of Norris & Almond for selling drugs? Remember, answer with facts, not your "honest gossip opinion"! The answer is, as far as i can remember, that nobody has been arrested there for selling drugs in the last 5 years. Not one person. I know this because I have lived here most of my life.

So, dasfish is basically stereotyping people. Dasfish, do you know these people? Did you ever speak to these people you're referring to in your comment? Basically, what you're saying is that because these people (who you refer to as smackheads) are sometimes on the corner when you drive by, they are affiliated with the store. In what manner?

Actually, I'm not sure what you're saying exactly - other than because people look a certain way and hang at a certain place, they somehow define that place and bring everything around them down. That's absurd. Your comment simply displays your own paranoia. Trust me on this.

Instead of belittling these people, you should try going up them and saying, "Hi." You might be surprised at their response. They just might say, "Hi, how are you doing?" in response. They're human. Go figure.

Some of them might have had, or currently have, problems with addiction. Before you clowns say I've proven your point that this place is bad because there are addicts on the corner, let me say this: "Newsflash! There are more addicts than you can imagine." I'm sure you people think you don't know any addicts and think you don't surround yourself with addicts. However, you're fooling yourself if you live in Fishtown and believe this.

As for all you other clowns on here talking smack about the corner, let me just inform you of this: I know the owner who works very hard to run that place, and I know all the employees too. Some of the most respectful, hard-working kids around work in there, along with some older ladies. The girls that work in there go to college (Immaculata and La Salle), and the younger kid is going to Penn State next fall. The store is one of the cleanest kept and well maintained stores in the neighborhood.

Since Kenzo likes using maps for crimes, ask him to show a crime report in the past 5 years showing drug arrests on the corner of Norris & Almond. Do you really think if that store wasn't there that those B/E's and T/V's wouldn't have taken place in the last 2 weeks? Do you think that because the store is there, it assisted in one way or another with those crimes? You're crazy for even suggesting that. If we say this is true, we can then take all businesses and somehow link them to the crimes that take place around them - or exclude them if they weren't there at the time of the crimes. The reality is that these crimes would have taken place no matter what business was there at the time.

Here's another fact about these crimes around Norris and Almond: They all took place in the overnight hours. (Didn't they?) Are you still going to say it's the store's fault regardless of whether it was open or closed? This is a legitimate business. There are no DEA agents raiding the store, and no stakeouts on the store or surveillance of the people standing on the corner. There is certainly no drug dealing in that store. As a matter of fact, there is none on that corner. If there is, where are all the arrests? There are none. There is only a bunch of people giving their absurd, useless opinions which can't be backed up with a single fact!

I just don't understand why people thrive on useless gossip and misinformation. What I read on here is no different from taking Fishtown as a whole, slamming the bad people that live within the boundaries of Fishtown, and then saying Fishtown is not a good place because drug addicts, thieves, rapist and murderers live in it. This totally disregards the good, honest, hard-working, 8-5 people who also live in Fishtown. For anyone who didn't understand that analysis, it's saying you can't define the whole by judging a part. You must judge the whole as a whole, with both the good and the bad.

You know, people, if you spent half your time talking about and taking part in something useful and meaningful, you might make a difference. Don't waste your time gossiping and talking about useless, factless topics.

For reference, this was the first version, emphasizing spelling, capitalization, punctuation, & paragraphs. (with italicized words added for clarity)

Sometimes I'm amazed at how people give their opinions on something and truly have no clue on what they are taking about. I mean, after all, these are your opinions because in no way are they backed up by any hard facts. I live right next to that deli and I know a lot of people that hang (as brief as they do) and come in and out of that store.

You want to talk about drug dealers and selling drugs, you need to attract your attention to Fishtown Market and who and what kind of group of kids hang out on that corner and Emo's when they were in business. ibut In no way am I making an insinuation that Fishtown Market or Emo's was a part of selling drugs because of the people that hang there or around them.

Can anyone tell me with true hard facts - when was anyone ever locked up on the corner of Norris & Almond for selling drugs? Remember, true facts people, not your honest gossip opinion! None, as far as i can remember, in the last 5 years. Not one person. I know, I lived here pretty much my whole life.

So, dasfish is pretty much stereotyping people. Dasfish, do you know these people? Ever speak to these people you're referring to in your comment? so Basically, what you're saying is because these people you refer to as smackheads n are sometimes on the corner when you drive by are affiliated with the store in what manner? I'm not sure what you're exactly saying, other than because people look a certain way, hanging at a certain spot, somehow define and bring everything around them down. That's absurd. Your comment? It's your own paranoia, trust me.

You should try, instead of belittling them, to go up and say hi. You might be surprised that they might just say, "Hi, how are you doing?" back to you. They're human. Go figure. They might have, or still do have, problems with addiction. (Yeah, I know - so go ahead clowns, see that what we are talking about why is there addicts hanging on that corner? Newsflash! There are more addicts than you can imagine, but I'm sure you people don't know any addicts or surround yourself with addicts - but you live in Fishtown? And as for all you other clowns on here talking smack about the corner, let me just inform you of this: I know the owner who works very hard to run that place, and I know all the employees too. Just to give you some true facts, there are some of the most respectful, hard working kids that work in there along with the elder ladies. The girls that work in there go to college (Immaculada and LaSalle), and the younger kid is going to Penn State college next fall. The store is one of the cleanest kept and well maintained stores in the neighborhood.

Since Kenzo likes using maps for crimes, ask him to show a crime report in the past 5 years showing drug arrests on the corner of Norris & Almond. Do you really think if that store wasn't there that those B/E's and T/V's wouldn't have taken place in the last 2 weeks, or that because the store is there that it assisted in one way or another with those crimes? You're crazy for even suggesting that. In that case, let's take all business and somehow link them to the crimes that take place around them, or exclude them if they weren't there at the time of the crimes. Of course, those crimes would have taken place no matter what was there at the time.

And another true fact about these crimes happening around Norris and Almond: Didn't all these crimes take place in the overnite hours? Oh, wait - it's the store's fault whether it was open or closed. It's a business, people. There aren't no DEA agents running up in that store, no stakeouts on that store, or on the people standing on that corner. Certainly no drug dealing in that store or on that corner, as a matter of fact. And if there is, where's all the arrest? There's none. It's just a bunch of people giving their absurd, useless opinions that couldn't back them up with a single fact!

I just don't understand why people thrive off of useless gossip and misinformation. What I read on here is no different than taking Fishtown as a whole, slamming the bad people that live within the boundaries of Fishtown, and then saying Fishtown is not a good place because drug addicts, thieves, rapist and murderers live in it, and then totally disregarding the good, honest, hard-working, 8-5 people that live within Fishtown also. For those people that really didn't understand that analysis, it's you can not define a whole by judging a part. Judge the whole as a whole with the good and the bad. You know, people, if you spent half your time talking and taking part in something useful and meaningful, you might make a difference.

I'm sure everyone in here was a part of Occupy Philly. ( I would bet youse probably couldn't even tell me their purpose and goal.) Or 9/11, how our own government crashed 2 planes on American soil and blamed it on a dude that lives in cave, and made us believe that a 3rd plane crashed into our Pentagon with cameras everwhere - and they have not release one image showing a plane crashing into the Pentagon. ( I have $1000 to anyone that can find a video as clear as the one of 2 planes going into the World Trade Centers, crashing into the Pentagon. A clear image.) And why ever has the people supposedly on that plane have never been mentioned during memorials and so on. Don't waste your time gossiping and talking about useless, factless topics.

sometimes im amazed at how people give there opinions on something and truly have no clue on what they are taking about.I mean afterall these are ur opinions bcuz in no way are they backed up by any hard facts. I live rite next to that deli and I no alot of people that hang(as breif as they do) and come in an out of that store. You wanna talk about drug dealers and selling drugs you need to attract your attention to fishtown market n who an what kind of group of kids hang out on that corner n emos when they were in business.ibut in no way am i making an insinuation that fishtown market r emos was apart of selling drugs bcuz of the people that hang there r around them. can anyone tell me with true hard facts when was anyone ever locked up on the corner of norris n almond for selling drugs? remember true facts people not ur honest gossip opinion! none as far as i can remember in the last 5 yrs. not one person, i no i lived here pretty much my whole life. so dahfish is pretty much stereotyping people. dasfish do you no these people? ever speak to these people ur referring to in ur comment? so basically what ur sayin is bcuz these people u refer to as smackheads n r sumtimes on the corner when u drive by r affiliated with the store in what manner? I'm not sure what ur exactly sayin, other then bcuz people look a certain way hanging at a certain spot somehow define and bring everything around them down. thats absurd ur comment its ur own paranoia,trust me. u should try instead of belittleing them go up n say hi, u might be surprised that they mite just say hi how r u doing back to ya. they're human go figure they might have r still do have problems with addiction(yeah i no , so go ahead clowns ,see that what we r talking about y is there addicts hanging on that corner? newsflash! there r more addicts then u can imagine, but im sure you people dont no any addicts r surround yourself with addicts, but u live in fishtown?.n as for all u other clowns on here talking smack about the corner let me just inform u of this. I no the owner who works very hard to run that place and i know all the employees too, just to give u sum true facts, there are sum of the most respectful, hard working kids that work in there along with he elder ladies. the girls that work in there go to college , immaculada n la salle n the younger kid is going to penn state college next fall. the store is one of the cleanest kept n well maintained stores in the neighborhood. since kenzo likes using maps for crimes ask him to show a crime report in the past 5 yrs showing drug arrest on the corner of norris n almond. do u really think if that store wasn't there that those b\e's n t\v's woodnt have taken place in the last 2 weeks r that bcuz the store is there that it assisted in one way r another with those crimes, ur crazy for even suggesting that, in that case lets take all business n somehow link them to the crimes that take place around them, r exclude them if they werent there at the time of the crimes. Of course those crimes wood of taken place no matter what was there at the time, and another true fact about these crimes happening around norris n almond, didn't all these crimes take place in the overnite hrs? o wait its the stores fault whether it was open r closed. Its a business people, there are'nt no DEA agents running up in that store, no stakeouts on that store or on the people standing on that corner, certainly no drug dealing in that store r on that corner as a matter of fact n if there is wheres all the arrest? there's none its just a bunch of people giving their absurd useless opinions that couldn't back them up with a single fact! i just don't understand y people thrive off of useless gossip and misinformation. what i read on here is no different then taking fishtown as a whole slamming the bad people that live within the boundaries of fishtown and then saying fishtown is not a good place bcuz drug addicts, thieves, rapist and murderers live in it and totally disregarding the good honest hard working 8-5 people that live within fishown also. for those people that really didn't understand that analysis, is u can not define a whole by judging a part, judge the whole as a whole with the good and the bad. you no people if you spent half your time talking and taking part in something useful and meaning you might make a difference, im sure everyone in here was apart of Occupy Philly ( I wood bet you's probably couldn't even tell me there purpose and goal?) or 9\11 how our own government crashed 2 planes on american soil n blamed it on a dude that lives in cave, n made us believe that a 3rd plane crashed into our pentagon with cameras everwhere n they have not release one image showing a plane crashing into the pentagon ( I have $1000 to anyone that can find a video as clear as the one of 2 planes going into the world trade centers , crashng into the pentagon. A clear image) n y ever has the people supposedly on that plane have never been mentioned during memorials and so on. dont waste your time gossiping and talking about useless factless topics.

In interest of full disclosure: I omitted the part about Occupy Philly and 9/11 because I wasn't sure I fully understood what was being said, and even more because I couldn't understand the connection to the rest of the points being made.

Dan, I know you've been kind enough to "interpret" in the past, but this guy demonstrated in other posts that he KNOWS who to express himself with punctuation and proper spelling. If he doesn't have enough respect for his fellow neighbors to address them appropriately, why should anyone listen? His posts were the written equivalent of someone standing out in the street and screaming their complaints, which I see/hear so often in this neighborhood. It's not okay. It's not respectful of neighbors or community. And I don't really think that making grammatical edits is going to make it any better. If he's concerned about his friends/family being maligned on the forums, he can say so without making such a production of it and in away that might actually lead to some compromise instead of just making everyone point and laugh.

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Can you see my rolling eyes cresting over York Street as you read this?

I agree with all of it vis a vis the store and the people that work there.

Although I do not know the owner or people that work there personally, they are very friendly and hard working. When I greet the people hanging outside they are always nice to me and my dog.

I wish I had thought to bring up the time of crimes and such--since if they occur at hours when the store is closed it is an obvious hole in the theory that the store attracts bad people who commit crimes.

to recap:
it was claimed that this store was a "bodega" with shady people and that something was going on there. To now backtrack and claim nothing was meant doesn't wash. We all know what was meant when one posts something about shady people, a "bodega," crimes, etc.

I am pretty much in the "mind your own business" column as well. I like that store. It saves me every time I need some kind of kitchen basic and am too lazy to ride over to Thriftway...

I am also pretty much in the "I don't wanna live under a 24/7 police state with constant surveillance by CCTV just because YOU are scared to live in Fishtown" column and think that if you are scared by regular stores, regular people at stores, etc. then maybe you need to sell your house to somebody who is genuinely happy to live here, right now, in this place as it exists, with all of its good and bad.

"Love it or leave it" seems most apropos of late.

Because the ongoing rantings about things being so unsafe here don't seem to jibe with the reality.

There are plenty of places to live with 8 minute police response times, no crime, no drugs, etc.

But those places typically suck and don't feature all of the great things and quality of life one gets here.

Yeah, let's all install cameras and allow the police to monitor them 24/7.

let's start reporting every rumour of every gossip item to law enforcement.

let's let a few horrific but obviously random crimes color the entire perception of the area, so that people start to believe we live at Kensington and Somerset rather than one of the tightest knit and safest neighborhoods around.

let's be like every lame gentrifier and suburbanite around and let every possibly community interaction and decision be made with one thought in mind "PROPERTY VALUES PROPERTY VALUES PROPERTY VALUES"

let's let a few horrific but obviously random crimes color the entire perception of the area, so that people start to believe we live at Kensington and Somerset rather than one of the tightest knit and safest neighborhoods around.

let's be like every lame gentrifier and suburbanite around and let every possibly community interaction and decision be made with one thought in mind "PROPERTY VALUES PROPERTY VALUES PROPERTY VALUES"

What could possibly go wrong with that plan?

let's make sweeping blanket statements.

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"my pockets are empty, i've spent my last dime,
but i just got to hear that song one more time."

I have to disagree with the idea that wanting less crime, good police response, less litter, less noise at inappropriate times, and less drug-related problems are "bourgeoisie" issues only of concern to allegedly interloping gentrifiers.

I hear concern for these issues expressed by lifers and by those of us who are not locally born but who moved here before gentrification.

In fact, it is concern over these issues that is bridging some of the gaps that have existed in the neighborhood - whether old vs. new or anti-SugarHouse vs pro-SugarHouse.

Chances are the people on the block already know who is doing the break ins and the thefts from autos. When something goes missing on our block there are two or three of the usual suspects who are definitely involved. I can't speak for that particular block or the area that surrounds it but I can say that around here that is usually the case - junkies looking for money for a quick fix. I personally have no problems with cameras but can understand why some people don't want to feel like they are under surveillance at all times. I'm curious as to what would happen to these dirtballs even if they were caught on tape and actually charged with something. Would it be the usual "slap on the wrist" ?

a poster noted a while back that cops had, in fact, visited a resident who is known to them as into this sort of thing in this general area. I don't believe that person has anything to do with the store.

The fact that the crime happens within a certain radius of the store does not mean it is related to the store. I can pull up a google map of the area and find tons of similar hot spots all over the place. some with stores, some without stores.

I seem to recall lots of crime around Scoops, does ice cream cause crime?

Lots of incidents up on Cumberland between Memphis and Frankford, maybe good craft beer is the real culprit?

I suspect that a better correlation could be made if we could plot the known addresses of repeat offender burglars and petty thieves as discussed by Captain Cram.

But, picking one spot and looking at it for three weeks says nothing about an increase-- or decrease-- in crime.

we have no baseline for comparison.

all we know is someone just found a new source of data and now thinks they are Sherlock Holmes and wants everyone to put in surveillance cameras.

Sorry, not into the Orwellian fantasies of the internet crime fighters.

the original theory--that the "bodega" is somehow involved due to the "shady" people that go there--does not seem to be holding up very well.

I am also reminded of something Commissioner Ramsay said at the meeting last week:

He noted that while it was great people here were so involved and he wished he could have tons of bike cops, beat cops, etc. deployed here, the resources were needed elsewhere in the city because things in other neighborhoods were so bad compared to Fishtown.

Until somebody can provide the historical context and crime rates for years past, there simply is no reason to assume things are getting worse here just because you just got a google app that plots crime.

I live right by the store, I recall no sudden increase in crime, no discussion of crime, some mention of a junky stealing from a car, but of course the car was left unlocked.

if you lock your car doors, don't leave crap in your car, lock your house, and don't leave crap in your yard, the property crime issue fades away as the crooks tend to rob the foolish and forgetful people who leave their GPS, laptop, purse, wallet etc in plain view.

I feel no need for cameras when I got a legion of old ladies on stoops and corners, the various people hanging out at the store, my neighbors, etc. keeping a human eye on things.

(and regardless of the counter intuitive nature of it, I felt better when the notorious neighborhood business was up and running because that was even more neighbors on the street keeping watch)

My thesis is this:

a guy got murdered a couple of weeks ago, and the degenerates who perpetrated that crime were apprehended within days and are now sitting in jail where they will remain for a very long time.

some people are LOVEed because they complained about a property linked to the recent murder and feel that it would not have occurred if only their complaints about loud parties and under age drinking were immediately addressed.

that is a sad story and is horrible for the families involved.

But that crime didn't suddenly turn the neighborhood into North Philly-- or even 26th District PSA1 or PSA2.

If we had perfect data going back to 1980 or so, I am gonna guess that we would find that crime has declined big time from what was going on during the crack era.

I had friends in school here then and their cars were being robbed 2-3 times in 6 months.

Do you see a bunch of "no radio" signs around any more???

Do people advise you to put a "no radio" sign up, take everything out of the car, and leave the doors open so you can avoid the inevitable crack head break in any more?

Do people still drive around with their plates attached to the INSIDE of the car so that they are not stolen off the bumper?

That should tell you something about the petty crime rate, the car break ins, etc.

Nah, things aren't degenerating. But some people just discovered crime stats.

And now they think they can properly deploy police resources based on google maps and that if we implement a mini-Foucauldian panopticon all will be well.

… I'm curious as to what would happen to these dirtballs even if they were caught on tape and actually charged with something. Would it be the usual "slap on the wrist" ?

…At the PPD meeting (not the outdoor one, the one with Commissioner Ramsey there), both the PPD and the DA's representatives hinted that we have some issues with our Common Pleas/Muni judges (which I don't disagree with)…

Devil's Advocate:

Should people be going upstate for petty thefts where property damage is $50-200? Or are we better served by ordering them to pay restituion, putting them on probation, and monitoring their drug use while on probation?

More than anything the Judges in this City side with the Police. While officers may beg to differ, if a cop testifies, absent a video to the contrary, then the Judge will believe the officer. Meanwhile, if the officer and the DA do their jobs correctly, then there are no issues for trial and the accused either pleads or is found guilty.

If the police and DA are sloppy, though, that's a larger issue that affects everyone. The Commonwealth's agents must follow the rules of the Pa. and Federal Constitutions when investigating, arresting, and charging. If a junkie gets off because the police violated his rights when they searched him without reasonable suspicion, or arrested him without probable cause, that's not the fault of the junkie, the judge, the DA, or the defense attorney.

If everything's by the book, and the police tell the whole truth, then a defense attorney has no hook on which to hang his hat.

a guy got murdered a couple of weeks ago, and the degenerates who perpetrated that crime were apprehended within days and are now sitting in jail where they will remain for a very long time.

some people are LOVEed because they complained about a property linked to the recent murder and feel that it would not have occurred if only their complaints about loud parties and under age drinking were immediately addressed.

that is a sad story and is horrible for the families involved.

But that crime didn't suddenly turn the neighborhood into North Philly-- or even 26th District PSA1 or PSA2.

I think this analysis is correct.
However, what I would say is that while it didn't "turn the neighborhood into North Philly" it did turn the neighborhood from "a bunch of folks who complained about, but basically tolerated, crime" to "a bunch of folks who are mad and not gonna take it anymore".

I love my neighborhood. It's because I love my neighborhood that I want the crime to be dealt with.

…Until somebody can provide the historical context and crime rates for years past, there simply is no reason to assume things are getting worse here just because you just got a google app that plots crime…

Bingo. I'd wager that crime is actually down, we're just hearing about it more, and it's being reported to the police more. Remember that statistics are only as good as the source data. If the source data is wrong, then statistics mean nothing.

I do want to add that I think naybor2deli has brought a lot of important points to the discussion.
* Folks hanging on a corner are not necessarily up to no good. (Although, I have to admit that a lot more are up to no good than I would have guessed 10 years ago.)
* Crime around a business does not necessarily mean the business is related to or caused that crime. It could be something as simple as having a repeat offender living nearby or it could be coincidence.

I'd also like to say that I'm kind of disappointed how some of the posts have been mocked, and people and opinions dismissed, simply because people are not the best writers. I'm not talking about simply saying, "I can't understand because of how poorly this is written." or "If you want to get your point across, it will help to write better." Those are both legitimate statements.

However, I have to wonder why this person isn't given the same slack some other people might be. For instance, if the writing was equally poor, but the author was a teenage girl writing about her need to access reproductive health care, would the same mockery and dismissal occur?

and you can deal with crime without turning the neighborhood into east germany.

and you can deal with crime without freaking out when some poor people pitch a few tents and ask for help.

and you can deal with crime without slandering hard working business people and those who patronize their businesses.

and you can deal with crime without fomenting panic and hysteria and making the problem seem worse than it really is--which may hurt more than it helps if resources are misdirected, policy is not properly changed, etc.

I'd also like to say that I'm kind of disappointed how some of the posts have been mocked, and people and opinions dismissed, simply —
Empty factories to the east and all our waste
The shape of things that came shows on the broken workers face." Those are both legitimate statements.

However, I have to wonder why this person isn't given the same slack some other people might be. For instance, if the writing was equally poor, but the author was a teenage girl writing about her need to access reproductive health care, would the same mockery and dismissal occur?

When you enter a discussion and display writing at a 4th grade level, that is going to raise some flags, for a few reasons. It illustrates a lack of education and lack of exposure to written materials that are adult in context. It also is indicative of a learning disability, and a strong link to crime, according to clinical studies in prisons monitoring education during incarceration. Unfortunately, there is also a strong link to poverty.
Now, when you expose these conditions about yourself in a conversation regarding a relatively complex issue, naturally, your position is going to be taken less seriously than if you had a better regard for punctuation, spelling, and a more traditional argument structure. When you throw in some nonsense about The Pentagon and Occupy Philadelphia, you may as well be wearing a tinfoil hat because you sound crazy.
So, if someone had the same style of writing, but indicated they were an underaged girl looking for information on her reproductive rights, I would make the same assessment of her education and mental capacity, but there's a big difference in that she would be information SEEKING rather than misinformation SPEWING. I would never make fun of someone for asking honest questions, only ignorant pontifications.
I do think that it is unfair that the place was accused of illegitimate practices for no reason, but the OP had done a great disservice by shrouding his position in terrible writing, anti-newbie sentiment, and some confused political sentiment that nobody could quite decipher.

Ummm... The owner was indicted like 2 years ago for involvement in fishtown operation refill. She was forging prescriptions for oxy and percocet and selling them. And yes this is a fact it was all over the newspapers. I'm not sure if it's the same owner.. I haven't been there since they were busted.

Ummm... The owner was indicted like 2 years ago for involvement in fishtown operation refill. She was forging prescriptions for oxy and percocet and selling them. And yes this is a fact it was all over the newspapers. I'm not sure if it's the same owner.. I haven't been there since they were busted.

So, if someone had the same style of writing, but indicated they were an underaged girl looking for information on her reproductive rights, I would make the same assessment of her education and mental capacity, but there's a big difference in that she would be information SEEKING rather than misinformation SPEWING. I would never make fun of someone for asking honest questions, only ignorant pontifications.

This.

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Can you see my rolling eyes cresting over York Street as you read this?

Susan Winczuk, 34, 859 Mercer St., Philadelphia, is charged with two counts of participating in a corrupt organization, one count of criminal conspiracy, one count of acquisition or obtaining of possession of a controlled substance by misrepresentation, fraud, forgery, deception or subterfuge, one count of manufacture, possession with the intent to deliver or delivery of a controlled substance, one count of possession of a controlled substance and one count of identity theft.

Susan Winczuk, 34, 859 Mercer St., Philadelphia, is charged with two counts of participating in a corrupt organization, one count of criminal conspiracy, one count of acquisition or obtaining of possession of a controlled substance by misrepresentation, fraud, forgery, deception or subterfuge, one count of manufacture, possession with the intent to deliver or delivery of a controlled substance, one count of possession of a controlled substance and one count of identity theft.

Before we go crazy, here....are we sure she is the owner or did she just work there? I want us to be VERY careful before we start accusing the business of being the problem, especially since the verbal rumor mill of Fishtown has already assumed that we are.

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Can you see my rolling eyes cresting over York Street as you read this?

Ummm... The owner was indicted like 2 years ago for involvement in fishtown operation refill. She was forging prescriptions for oxy and percocet and selling them. And yes this is a fact it was all over the newspapers. I'm not sure if it's the same owner.. I haven't been there since they were busted.

Susan Winczuk, 34, 859 Mercer St., Philadelphia, is charged with two counts of participating in a corrupt organization, one count of criminal conspiracy, one count of acquisition or obtaining of possession of a controlled substance by misrepresentation, fraud, forgery, deception or subterfuge, one count of manufacture, possession with the intent to deliver or delivery of a controlled substance, one count of possession of a controlled substance and one count of identity theft.

Before we go crazy, here....are we sure she is the owner or did she just work there? I want us to be VERY careful before we start accusing the business of being the problem, especially since the verbal rumor mill of Fishtown has already assumed that we are.

Ummm... The owner was indicted like 2 years ago for involvement in fishtown operation refill. She was forging prescriptions for oxy and percocet and selling them. And yes this is a fact it was all over the newspapers. I'm not sure if it's the same owner.. I haven't been there since they were busted.

Ummm... The owner was indicted like 2 years ago for involvement in fishtown operation refill. She was forging prescriptions for oxy and percocet and selling them. And yes this is a fact it was all over the newspapers. I'm not sure if it's the same owner.. I haven't been there since they were busted.

yea right. so she's the owners girlfriend. Like your living with someone or having a serious relationship and you don't kno wwhat they're doing?? He knows now, and he's still with her. What does that say about his credability?? Meanwhile, breakins, thefts and assaults are continueing. This past week alone 5 more within 100 yards of the store. Not to mention we've seen Shaun around again. You all remember Shaun. He's that fine young man that lived on Almond street back in 2005 with his parents and was caught and sentenced to 2 years for multi burglaries( took a plea for turning on his ring leader). then again in 2009 caught and sentenced again. Now he's out and I don't care what you say...he's back doing what he does best and if he's hanging around the store you do the math. maybe thats why the store always has its blinds drawn so we cant see whats going on inside???

I don't think you lock the thread when we finally have some real info here:

"we've seen Shaun around again. You all remember Shaun. He's that fine young man that lived on Almond street back in 2005 with his parents and was caught and sentenced to 2 years for multi burglaries( took a plea for turning on his ring leader). then again in 2009 caught and sentenced again. Now he's out and I don't care what you say...he's back doing what he does best "

probably the guy right there.

everybody knows it is him, he's got the MO and the record and whaddya know, he just got back to the hood and magically the burglaries start up again.

At the Holy Name meeting Capt Cram noted that they basically know who does this sort of crime and they know where they live and they can track it by their location and the crimes. but they cannot do anything unless they catch the guy in the act.

Now, back to the nonsense about the corner store:

"and if he's hanging around the store you do the math. maybe that's why the store always has its blinds drawn so we cant see whats going on inside???""

If "Shuan" lives here of course he goes to the store. everybody around here goes to the store because it is our store. store has nothing to do with the crime, other than geographic coincidence and perhaps "shaun" likes to get an arctic splash after he does his crimes.

the store has blinds drawn because at certain times of day the sun is really bright on Norris St . It's nice and toasty in the store due to the sun, but even in winter it gets a little hot some times. even with the blinds drawn it is really hot in summer.

what "math" would there be?

"shaun" is fencing stolen items in the store?

"shaun" is trading stolen goods for drugs in the store?

"shaun" is stealing items for the store?

there is no such behaviour observed in the store at any time.

the store has a huge amount of traffic from all sorts of people in hood at all times of day.

the store has legit items which are re-stocked when purchased. fresh milk, eggs, ice cream (not enough flavors, but still), chicken stock, spaghetti sauce, etc. the store does not trade cash for food stamps, does not loan money, keeps regular hours, does not "Close" in middle of day or at weird times, etc.

these are not the marks of a front or a shady store.

I am gonna go out on a limb and say that the "shaun" person is back to his old habits, that is why there is some crime going on around him, and that store just happens to be located in middle of it.

sounds like it is only a matter of time before "shaun" heads back upstate, and then the crime wave will end even though the store will remain in same locale with blinds drawn.

Why is it that the crimes and store get put together over and over? It is WRONG WRONG WRONG. What is the beef with the store?

When the thread first appeared, I made it a point to go over there, check it out for myself and even make a purchase in the store. It's clean, the people were nice and no gangs/thugs/orwhateverelse you want to call them were hanging outside.

It seems to me that there are certain people on here who have a beef with the store or just want to pot-stir.

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"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)

I said it before the detectives KNOW who the Thief's are . They were at houses a few weeks ago but had NO evidence . The Guy who was just locked up for the bank robbery is being looked at for a handful fishtown break ins .