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01:49:28 hi
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03:14:21 someone with the gift of life?
03:16:29 im alive if you mean that
03:18:56 hey
03:19:29 you work with web2py?
03:19:45 sorry just learning
03:19:53 you've been to the google group?
03:20:03 yes, I'm a contributor
03:20:16 well thanks for the work then
03:20:39 its a great framework,
03:20:49 teaching me lots about web stuff and python
03:21:01 you tried any other?
03:21:17 took a stab at django, too complicated
03:21:59 well, yes web2py makes it simple
03:22:37 anyway, are you american?
03:23:21 yes
03:23:59 you know of the web2py appliances which you can easily install, right?
03:24:28 no not really at that point yet, do know about slices though
03:24:50 what part have you contributed too?
03:25:15 http://www.web2py.com/appliances
03:25:30 have you seen this?
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03:28:27 sorry, I'm back
03:28:36 I was wondering if you seen the web2py appliances
03:28:38 np, bookmarked
03:28:56 no that is good
03:29:07 i can use some of those samples to learn with
03:29:19 nic
03:29:21 nice
03:29:31 my question was
03:29:40 if you would like to have something like an App store
03:29:47 just like on the iPhone
03:30:10 i think that would be a good idea
03:30:13 for web2py. A way to browser and install web2py apps directly from web2py
03:30:33 i would like there to be also some renumeration to those who wanted it
03:30:46 though i like free too
03:31:10 well, that is up to the developer
03:31:18 if he wants to make it free or charge for it
03:31:25 something like this: http://codecanyon.net/
03:31:58 yes, very nice stuff btw
03:33:27 on my contributions, I've done somethings on the DB side, the security, the possibility to installs directly from URL, bug fixing and other minor stuff. Recently, I've been working much more on a plugin called plugin_wiki
03:34:55 I've also done some experimental work with YAML which you can check here: http://vimeo.com/10837176
03:39:00 do you live on New York?
03:39:09 no l.a. - too cold there ;)
03:39:21 I want to move to New York
03:39:30 where u at now?
03:39:36 Lisbon, Portugal
03:39:42 western europe
03:39:57 I have no idea if this is a good idea, though
03:40:03 u sure about that? do you want to attend college?
03:40:18 I finished studying
03:40:28 because life is sort of tough here
03:40:36 why?
03:40:38 it would be fun for you though
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03:41:00 1. no socialized medical care
03:41:11 2. hard to get a job without a visa
03:41:21 3. high cost of living
03:41:36 damn, you are not the first to tell me that
03:41:39 4. americans work -- alot
03:41:52 2 weeks vacation a year if you're lucky
03:42:08 is that NY or USA?
03:42:15 what about San Francisco?
03:42:16 usa in general
03:42:35 the same basically, but a very very beautiful city
03:42:42 a little more laid back, better weather
03:42:44 kicking the tires on web2py. Is it designed to require the user app(s) be inside the web2py distribution dir?
03:43:08 by default yes. on the web2py/applications folder
03:43:08 i would say try coming here
03:43:19 u can always go home - and you're english will be better
03:43:44 personally i would pick s.f. over n.y. but that a personal pref.
03:44:08 how hard is it to get a visa?
03:44:39 Is it possible to change that and share a single framework installation? not obvious from the docs. Apps inside the distribution dir leaves me vaguely uneasy wrt to security, but perhaps I'm imagining a problem that doesn't exist?
03:45:02 well i think you have to do it outside the country
03:45:26 and for that to happen u need to be sponsored
03:45:28 you can make symlinks and put the applications folder anywhere you want
03:45:39 u could come here on a tourist visa and check it out
03:46:10 you're young right? so its an adventure
03:47:39 I want to build my company. In my country, entrepreneurship is too risky
03:47:55 i'm 27
03:48:23 and I don't like living in a place where almost everything is closed at 5 am
03:48:50 not owl friendly
03:48:56 5am? don't you mean 5 pm?
03:49:08 blackthorne: where do you live?
03:49:10 ny is more of an all night city than s.f.
03:49:12 l.a.
03:49:19 Lisbon, Portugal
03:49:56 mikech: am, night
03:50:13 Let me recommend Vancouver.
03:50:25 don't know that hour of the morning :) never up by then
03:50:35 yeah vancouver is beautiful
03:51:02 San Francisco is a little warmer, but Vancouver regularly is 1 or 2 in the world for quality of life
03:51:18 good environment for technology
03:51:26 i would say things are easier in Canada at the moment
03:51:44 though we have lots of canadians down here
03:51:46 Canada is too cold, and I hate French
03:51:48 I don't want to poke a beehive, but...
03:51:54 no french there
03:52:07 english on that side of the country
03:52:26 blackthorne: you *do* need to get out a bit ;-)
03:52:35 might be easier of immigration too
03:52:42 almost certainly
03:52:43 what do you mean?
03:52:49 cost of living is lower
03:52:58 they have socialized medecine
03:53:17 we call it *effective* medicine ;-)
03:53:18 and vancouver is Beautiful
03:53:20 do you know the cost of living in Portugal?
03:53:24 feh!
03:53:32 fuel is 1.5eur /liter
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03:53:58 your income goes aroung 1.5k eur
03:53:59 Vancouver's wine isn't quite as good, though, unless you prefer ice-wine :-)
03:54:41 mikech: have you heard of the portuguese gay killed in NY?
03:54:51 one sec
03:55:11 fuel is 2.38eur
03:55:30 in USA?? by liter?
03:55:34 gal
03:55:42 oops sorry
03:55:53 are u looking for gay friendly towns
03:56:22 then n.y. should be ok, s.f. and l.a. as well
03:56:24 http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2011/01/07/2011-01-07_times_square_murder_man_found_dead_in_bloodsplattered_room_at_intercontinental_h.html
03:56:50 i did hear about that
03:56:52 sad
03:57:19 but u gotta realize the u.s. is sort of a violent place
03:57:33 we got guns - lots of them
03:57:47 but still its rare
03:58:08 blackthorne: http://www.mercer.com/press-releases/quality-of-living-report-2010#City_Ranking_Tables
03:58:19 I've seen that
03:58:48 ok but they were both portuguese - so...
03:59:03 stop bragging
03:59:20 lol, yes
03:59:52 It may sound cruel but... I couldn't stand that guy, the killed
04:00:34 enquora: isn't Vancouver very cold?
04:00:45 depends on what you mean by cold
04:00:56 (he means yes)
04:01:04 but so is new york
04:01:11 Isn't Portugal becoming a desert in places, along with southern Spain?
04:01:15 cold in winter - hot and humid in summer
04:01:28 for me, under 20 C it's cold
04:01:33 Vancouver rarely goes below freezing in winter, but yes it does
04:01:49 Doesn't get a meter of snow in a month, like NYC has now
04:02:24 Is a very cosmopolitan city, like Seattle, San Francisco
04:02:27 Vancouver has the same population of Lisbon...
04:03:20 seems similar. greater Vancouver has a population of about 3 million
04:03:32 certainly colder than Lisbon
04:03:51 but Canada has a currency that isn't sinking in quicksand
04:03:55 here is 6 C currently. It's almost a record. I've only seen this cold once
04:04:43 well, you won't like NYC then
04:04:53 yeah n.y. is cold
04:05:12 Canada has a lot going for it
04:05:13 they've had nearly a meter of snow this month AFAIK
04:05:22 if only there weren't so many Canadians there :)
04:05:24 and there's another blizzard on the way
04:05:50 at this time of year they're all in Cancun or Phoenix, aren't they ;-)
04:06:11 yeah or Palm Springs
04:06:49 seriously, NYC has a good tech environment at the moment, so does San Francisco, and so does Vancouver.
04:06:57 what makes living in US expensive? food? shelter? taxes?
04:07:00 honestly blackthorne, i can't sell the u.s. to you right now
04:07:05 health care
04:07:28 besides the politics here would irritate you to no end
04:07:42 mikech: don't open this pandora box
04:07:51 im just saying
04:07:56 as an american
04:08:21 its hard down here, and i don't see much hope for progress in the next 2 years
04:08:21 I would replace everyday our government by Obama
04:08:41 possibly, but they're more decent up in canada
04:08:49 blackthorne: it's seriously poisoned there, at the moment. we hope our southern cousins find their way out, but at the moment, there are lots of problems
04:09:58 yep
04:10:29 we are seriously delusional at this moment
04:10:37 blackthorne: If you want to live in North America, one of the west coast cities are recommended
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04:10:45 agreed
04:10:53 we are slightly saner in California
04:11:20 here, people are extremely optimists. They assume things are going to be ok even if all math proves them wrong. When you treat economy like this for over a decade, the system is now facing collapse
04:11:47 here we think we're all exceptional - America is #1
04:11:51 have a friend who lives in northern Italy. That's the perspective there, too
04:11:56 so we're in denial
04:12:06 canada - is saner
04:12:16 no, denial has its own problems at the moment
04:12:27 blackthorne - most of our states are broke
04:12:38 now, it is the first month of 10% cut on all public workers income
04:12:41 enquora - i see what you did there :)
04:12:47 23 % VAT
04:13:09 blackthorne i would do some research
04:13:36 for instance in california we're facing serious cuts
04:15:09 oh well, maybe I shouldn't get with ideas of moving and make it a travel
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04:16:53 yeah come visit
04:17:03 ny, sf, vancouver
04:17:15 check out seattle too
04:17:27 l.a. has a lot to recommend it to
04:17:30 too
04:18:43 I will
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04:19:20 you're euro is strong now, so it should be affordable
04:19:31 your euro, sorry it getting late
04:20:07 yes
04:20:24 If I get luck with stocks
04:20:33 I will :)
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04:21:07 for some reason, I'm confident to my money on stocks
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04:21:31 *put
04:26:00 good talking, going to sleep
04:26:05 see you
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07:41:03 i'm working my way through the book, and came to the line: "image = db(db.image.id==request.args(0)).select().first()" -- how does this work? i thought that image "db.image.id==request.args(0)" would return True or False?
07:41:47 clearly it _does_ work, but i'm obviously not familiar enough with python to understand what's going on
07:55:11 as i see that gluon.dal.Field.__eq__ returns a dict. gotcha.
07:57:32 oh wait, no, i'm being stupid
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08:10:25 i don't understand :(
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08:55:08 is there anyone around who can explain some basic web2py stuff to me? i asked earlier and don't want to repeat unless there's someone watching :)
08:55:39 ahri: when I come back.
08:55:43 Going out
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09:04:22 elfgoh: ok, i'll look out for your return :)
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14:40:27 elfgoh: are you around?
14:44:54 ahri: hello
14:45:26 ahri: regarding 'db.image.id==request.args(0)'
14:46:18 ahri: it is the syntax of the web2py dal
14:46:21 see http://www.web2py.com/book/default/chapter/06#Shortcuts
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15:24:37 sorry, i keep having to do "work" when all i want to do is play with web2py
15:25:33 hm, okay, so i see it's a "shortcut", but i don't understand the python implementation of that shortcut? :\
15:25:48 those shortcuts do look great though
15:27:51 it's the evaluation of 'db.image.id==request.args(0)' that i don't understand
15:30:14 i looked up the implementation of gluon.dal.Field.__eq__, but i don't see anywhere that it's returning anything but a boolean, so i'm confused
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15:50:42 how can I say web2py to use tables already existent in db?
15:51:39 if I get InternalError: (1050, u"Table 'site' already exists")
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16:07:45 ahri: i look at the source and have a basic understanding http://code.google.com/p/web2py/source/browse/gluon/dal.py
16:08:01 The shortcut is a query object
16:09:00 and it gets processed as an expression
16:09:07 object
16:09:58 This is my current rudimentary understanding
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18:26:54 i'm following the book and wonder:
18:27:26 db.comment.image_id.writeable = db.comment.image_id.readable = False # why is this showing up in /images/default/show/1 ?
18:28:32 i was under the impression that this line would stop that field showing up in generated forms
18:28:44 but it still seems to, so perhaps i broke something
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21:43:35 hi
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23:46:30 hi