The Allegro Resort Hotel is closed for renovation but the casino is still open. And it has been reported that Natalee and some other teens in her group have been in both casinos, as has Joran with her. If memory serves me well, it was in one of those casinos that Natalee met Joran and it was in one of those casinos that a boy in Natalee's group got into a shoving match with Joran and another boy in Natalee's group stepped in to break it up.

I believe there were 2 shoving matches. One at a casino and one at a bar. After the these events, I also believe that the Joran\Nat romance went underground. This may be why she wanted to walk back to the HI by herself..to quietly come in the back way and incospiciously meld back into the crowd.

LouLou, WHERE are you getting all that info from? I have not heard ANY discussions like that in print. All of that basically implies that those closest to Natalee have been lying to everyone. There is only 1 shoving match reported and its location is lost in journalistic fog. And the implications of "their romance went underground" are pretty severe.

The Birmingham Post-Herald has reported that the recently arrested Joran Van der Sloot was in a pushing match with some of Natalee Holloway's friends earlier on during the night of her disappearance.

One of the three young men arrested Thursday in the disappearance of Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway got into a pushing match with some of her friends in an Aruban bar, one of Holloway's friends said Thursday.

Bryan Reynolds, 18, one of 124 recent high school graduates whowent to Aruba in late May, said some of his friends almost got into a fight with Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot and his friends.

The scuffle started after Van Der Sloot, a Dutch suspect arrested at his upper-class home in Oranjestad, Aruba, Thursday morning, had been talking to 18-year-old Holloway at a bar where she and classmates hung out during the five-day trip, Reynolds said.

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cost would be one reason Whitney. it's been awhile, but my husband had this kind of thing - it wasn't cheap.

I hear you; the article that I think it was CaliGirl posted said $4000/1 million; didn't give terms, and didn't say if it had to be (which it probably does) necessarily be a part of a package. And, unless this was something that Jug had because of his position at the company where he worked (he's a GM there, whatever), he would be the first person the FBI would ask to take a polygraph and the happiest camper in the world would be Elio, the ex-poliz detective who's been going on the news encouraging the authorities to probe the young, NH's stateside background.

Thanks for you response...LOL...it's late and I was reading the last two articles at the Dark Side and thought I'd post this. Good nite!

Kadertraining Voorman means framework training voorman - so it's a photo of people who took some sort of training course. i'm sure some of our native dutch speakers can do a better job (when everyone surfaces) looks as though they were all burning the midnight (and beyond) oil.

Kadertraining Voorman means framework training voorman - so it's a photo of people who took some sort of training course. i'm sure some of our native dutch speakers can do a better job (when everyone surfaces) looks as though they were all burning the midnight (and beyond) oil.

mojo...have you done a search of the posts on the SM site? Apparently the throat slit guy...BTW, I have a different name for the person...it was from the Hasibokos.com site...last Sunday....

SUNDAY: Missing man has been identified as Sergio Gomez. This case and the dead, partially decapitaed, body found at Sabana are not believed to be related to the Natalee Holloway case. .......The local authorities aided by the FBI and some Dutch experts have not been able to crack this case yet. As if this case (ref Natalee Holloway) wasn’t enough, Hasibokos.com has received information that the police have found a (partially) decapitated body of an Aruban male Saturday morning in the neighborhood called Sabana (see map). . According to preliminary (unconfirmed) reports the man was murdered in his house and then later dumped in a cemetery close by. The scene at the house and the cemetery have been described as gruesome and bloody.http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005

First time poster but I've been lurking as a guest for a while so please be kind. This may not amount to a hill of beans but I have been searching on the guy named Lorenzo Van Rijn since you guys have been trying to find information on him. I haven't been able to find anything with using the first name Lorenzo yet but I have found something I thought was kind of interesting concerning a company with the name of Van Rijn in Aruba. It appears that there are 3 business that may be affiliated with one another.

1st business Van Rijn IM- EN Export N.V. looks to be an import/export business from the listing. What I really thought was kind of odd as I kept on looking was that I also found 2 other companies which were and automotive company and a diesel company listed all at the same location. All 3 of these companies are located at the same address in Bacadera in Aruba. I'm not sure but I think this may be a shipping/cargo area.

2nd business known as R & S Diesel Service has the exact same phone number as the Van Rijn Im- En Export N.V. business.

3rd business known as R & S Automotive and Industrial Parts N.V. sell Volkswagon cars which you guys have mentioned that Lorenzo was connected to a Volkswagon dealership on the board before. This business has a different phone number but the exact same fax number as R & S Diesel Service.

This may have absolutely nothing to do with anything and may all be normal occurrences for businesses in Aruba but it kind of bothered me since the last name (Van Rijn) is the name on an import/export business. My apologies to the companies I've written about if I'm out in left field with all of this. My daughter and I came up with this information in hopes that it might be helpful in finding Natalee.