This is a discussion on Need advice how to Win 6-max SnG DoN within the online poker forums, in the Learning Poker section; hi !
I have started plying 1€ 6-max SnG 2 month ago....have made some money, but are currently stuck and starting to loose little money as

I have started plying 1€ 6-max SnG 2 month ago....have made some money, but are currently stuck and starting to loose little money as I win 1 and loose next next one

I do really try playing TAG but have run to bad luck and bad beats on daily bases ...

I would really welcome any advice !!!

Thanx a lot !

#2

4th May 2014, 9:35 AM

DonV73 [673]

Poker at: PokerStars

Game: NLHE,PLO,+

We we need more info (like your stats) to see where is the problem might be. But it might also be just variance. Difficult to say with not so much info.

But imo, I think in general, starting of tight is good and take opportunities, but as bubble time arrives this will be a critical factor. You should attack those who are folding to get in the money. If you get eliminated as you say, is that mostly in the bubble time or also early in the game? Maybe you could give some stats too if you have them?

#3

4th May 2014, 10:23 AM

DonV73 [673]

Online Poker at: PokerStars

Game: NLHE,PLO,+

And maybe you can post one of those bad beat hands you are talking about?

#4

5th May 2014, 7:54 PM

DrazaFFT [5,525]

Poker at: FT, PS

Game: NLHE

I would definitely agree with Don, you might play to tight later stages and specially on the bubble.
i have read some good 4 part articles from some a
site, it is generally for all 1 table sng but you'll get the bubble idea...

Also without some stats and hands we could be sure that you play tag, most of players think that they are tag but what they are is bit on a tight passive side, with tight being not tight enough on right spots and positions...

anyway i can pm you the links where you can find those articles, they are free...

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#5

5th May 2014, 9:06 PM

MadMaddie [402]

Online Poker at: 888 Poker

Game: holdem

re: Poker & Need advice how to Win 6-max SnG DoN

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrazaFFT

I would definitely agree with Don, you might play to tight later stages and specially on the bubble.
i have read some good 4 part articles from some a
site, it is generally for all 1 table sng but you'll get the bubble idea...

I played not alot of the double up games but I did play some and I did okay in them. I was told that the bubble play and later game stuff is a fair bit different from a regular sitngo game because of how the prizepool even payouts affect it.

Occasionally, I may limp with TT or JJ but if I don't catch a set, I'm done.

These really become a shove-or-fold, especially as you approach the bubble, and there is much less postflop play than normal.

As the field lessens, and blinds escalate, use your FE and shove IP to steal the blinds/antes to keep even.

Not sure which room you're playing 6max (I generally play 10max), and it depends on the BI, but many times the folks will just take each other out and you can sit back and eat popcorn.

Lots of great info on this elsewhere in CC. Search is your friend

GL

#7

6th May 2014, 3:22 PM

ammytyagi [510]

Online Poker at: full tilt

Dont play turbo DoN, play 10min blind DoN. I guess its fees is more but in longterm they will be more profitable.

#8

6th May 2014, 10:34 PM

transformpoker [31]

Game: Hold'em

With small effective pot to stack ratios being a part of nearly 100% the play in (turbo) sit and goes, the variance is going to be quite high. Many situations are effectively a coin flip. For example, if you have AJs and 5 big blinds, you're going to be all-in about always. If your opponent has 88 and the same 5 big blind stack, then you guys are just going to go at it, and there's no way around it.

Consider a quick example with somewhat arbitrary, but not altogether useless numbers: You need to win 3 coin flips to outright win a sit and go. If you win 2 coin flips, then let's say you get 2nd place money. All the other times, you bust. Your buy in is $1. First place money is $3. Second place money is $2. If you bust, you "win" negative $1 (the same as losing $1, but working with the negative win allows us to quantify the value of the game). The value of a portion of the game is the probability of that outcome multiplied by the value of that outcome. Once we have the value of all possible outcomes, then we simply add them together to get the value of the game.

The value of winning 3 coin flips and $3 for first place is: $3*(50%^3) = $0.375

The value of winning 2 coin flips and $2 for second place is: $2*(50%^2) = $0.5

Otherwise, you lose $1: (-$1)*(1-((50%^3) + (50%^2)) = -$0.625

The value of you playing a sit and go in this example is: $0.375 + $0.5 - $0.625 = $0.25

So in other words, try to think of every sit and go being worth $0.25 on average (minus what you rake to the poker site). Is that surprising sounding to you?

A lot of beginning players sit down and see first place's value in a tournament, and because they aren't realizing that value nearly as often as even a crushing player might realize it, they feel like they're doing poorly. That might be part of why you're feeling the way you are, it also might be because (to be blunt) you're not a better player than the field you are playing against.

So try studying some poker. Buy some books and read. Work on math of particular situations. Try and honestly understand your decision process and be very critical of it. Was it a bad beat, or did you just move all-in for your tournament life when it was a bad choice?

Once you're past poker fundamentals, studying concepts like independent chip model (ICM) and other advanced tournament ideas will put you head and shoulders above your competition. However, those ideas have little use to a player who may not have a grasp on something like pre-flop strategy and continuation betting frequencies and methods. Take the big and quick wins for your game and study efficiently. If you're honest with yourself and truly understand your results, then you'll be moving up in no time.

(To take this answer a step further, you can use the values of outcomes of the game to create a Normal Distribution that describes the variance of the game. Once you play enough games, you can use your own frequencies for winning first, winning second or busting, and then gain even more understanding about your place in the game and what to expect.)

#9

7th May 2014, 8:38 AM

cotta777 [869]

Online Poker at: pokerstars

Game: holdem

You wanna be really be piling pressure on your opposition especially the late raisers, since the chances of having a premium hand is even slimmer than on a 9 player table.

I would say it's profitable to be 3-betting alot of hands late stage, such as 77+
Even Shoving with like K9+ or K-suitedx against loose late raisers.

If were playing short stacks or turbos its most likely going to become push or fold.
The key to push or fold is Widening your range for open shoves and narrow it when your facing a standard raise from someone playing within an optimal percentage

Again light raising late on can be profitable near the bubble - or it can be tricky if the players are willing to get all the chips in pre., Take note as to who is playing back and also alot of (half decent) players will more so give you credit for raising early..

which means two things. A they fold. B they call/shove and you can narrow their range down and accurately make a fold pre flop to a 3-bet shove or assess the board texture to their range post flop

#10

7th May 2014, 12:23 PM

DonkeyH3AD [564]

re: Poker & Need advice how to Win 6-max SnG DoN

at first stage try to be anactive player and min rasie strong hand (not only this wich You generally go all in pre floop bu for example AJ/A9 or small pair
later play tight and bluff very rearlly.