Also, I'd like to see evidence that the Donmeh community actually still exists

Quoting: Swinburnian

I dunno if the community still exists. Found this that says that they community numbers several thousand people, but i'm not sure if this is concrete proof. It certainly lacks the real/actual number data. [link to www.shavei.org]

Ex-pm Tansu Ciller was accused of being a donmeh and some other ministers of the pre-Erdogan time. This French wiki link offers some notable recent ones. [link to fr.wikipedia.org]

Also, I'd like to see evidence that the Donmeh community actually still exists

Quoting: Swinburnian

I dunno if the community still exists. Found this that says that they community numbers several thousand people, but i'm not sure if this is concrete proof. It certainly lacks the real/actual number data. [link to www.shavei.org]

Ex-pm Tansu Ciller was accused of being a donmeh and some other ministers of the pre-Erdogan time. This French wiki link offers some notable recent ones. [link to fr.wikipedia.org]

Quoting: insertfunnyusername

most of the manuscript evidence of donmeh religious practices is in Israel -- because in the 1930s and 1940s Donmeh started to give away their Hebrew manuscripts (which they could no longer read) to Turkish Jews. That would seem to indicate that, while there are obviously still descendants of the donmeh, the community if it still exists haas been dwindling for some time.

your one link confirms that donmeh who want to practice orthodox judaism have to convert.

^^ Rumored,thats nice. He is full blooded albanian, everyone knows this. Look at his past history concerning Albanian integration through alot of Turkish support, especially military, but the Albanian government is too busy trying to get in the EU........ One thing for sure though, the relationship between turks and albs extends hundreds of years, its an excellent relationship

Quoting: Albanian 12582427

That picture might have taken from a visit or might be a look alike.I have heard about his albanian roots too.As a person i like him as he is open minded and vaules human rights.

Anyway, of course we have excellent relations with albanians.We love Albanians (Arnavut in Turkish) .There are many people with Albanian descent here and they are beautiful people .In Ottoman Empire there were many succesful albanian officials and commanders.Even mothers of some sultans were albanian.

Quoting: Anatolian 31776376

Of course, our relationship is brotherly, always has been, Turkey has always had our backs, its natural for us 2. One of my best friends in half albanian half turkish. He tells me in Turkey, Albanians and Turks are brothers (i.e. Arvanut) and many albanians have top positions especially in government and especially military.....

I hope the old empire is reborn and we run half the world together like we once did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

^^ Rumored,thats nice. He is full blooded albanian, everyone knows this. Look at his past history concerning Albanian integration through alot of Turkish support, especially military, but the Albanian government is too busy trying to get in the EU........ One thing for sure though, the relationship between turks and albs extends hundreds of years, its an excellent relationship

Quoting: Albanian 12582427

That picture might have taken from a visit or might be a look alike.I have heard about his albanian roots too.As a person i like him as he is open minded and vaules human rights.

Anyway, of course we have excellent relations with albanians.We love Albanians (Arnavut in Turkish) .There are many people with Albanian descent here and they are beautiful people .In Ottoman Empire there were many succesful albanian officials and commanders.Even mothers of some sultans were albanian.

He was the Beylerbey of Budin...Beylerbey is equivalent of duke.He tried to defend Budim against a big Crusade of 90.000 soldiers with his near 7.000 soldiers...Eventually he was killed in the fight.Nontheless he was a brave man

most of the manuscript evidence of donmeh religious practices is in Israel -- because in the 1930s and 1940s Donmeh started to give away their Hebrew manuscripts (which they could no longer read) to Turkish Jews. That would seem to indicate that, while there are obviously still descendants of the donmeh, the community if it still exists haas been dwindling for some time.

your one link confirms that donmeh who want to practice orthodox judaism have to convert.

Quoting: Swinburnian

Thanks for extra info. I'm sure they won't be many of them still around, i just haven't seen any recent data with official numbers. Donmeh/Young Turks were obviously not practicing or promoting Judaism, they erased or tried to erase all the religions in the name of Sunni.

There's a new conspiracy now on MSM in Turkey claiming that Kemal may had an Armenian origin from Malatya, i've no idea if true though.

There's a new conspiracy now on MSM in Turkey claiming that Kemal may had an Armenian origin from Malatya, i've no idea if true though.

Quoting: insertfunnyusername

Yeah i heard about that too :D I really dont think he had Armenian origin...His adopted daughter is rumoured to said something like that before her death at a conference in Malatya :''Ataturk's family went to Thessalonaki from Malatya, i heard that in the house of him'' and that was published in a local newspaper in Malatya...I believe this is a hoax made by some people in Malatya :)

In my opinion and many other researchers he was a sabbatean crypto-jew.When he was child he attended to madrasa of Shemsi Effendi whom real name was Simon Zwi -clearly a relative of self-proclaimed massiah Sabbatai Zwi-

Greek govt government seems to have decided to submit coordinates for the outer limits of the Greek continental shelf to the United Nations in the first months of 2013. On June 9th 1995, the Turkish parliament officially declared that unilateral action by Greece would constitute a casus belli. [link to translate.google.gr] [link to www.tovima.gr]

Turkey closely following any Greek maneuver in Aegean disputes [link to www.todayszaman.com] 16 islands snatched by Greece due to Turkey's negligence, experts claim. In the Aegean and the Mediterranean, there are 152 islands and islets of which the ownership is controversial [link to www.todayszaman.com] Norwegian company PGS is already conducting offshore seismic tests in Greek seas. License round is expected to take place in 2014. [link to www.pgs.com]

There's a new conspiracy now on MSM in Turkey claiming that Kemal may had an Armenian origin from Malatya, i've no idea if true though.

Quoting: insertfunnyusername

Yeah i heard about that too :D I really dont think he had Armenian origin...His adopted daughter is rumoured to said something like that before her death at a conference in Malatya :''Ataturk's family went to Thessalonaki from Malatya, i heard that in the house of him'' and that was published in a local newspaper in Malatya...I believe this is a hoax made by some people in Malatya :)

In my opinion and many other researchers he was a sabbatean crypto-jew.When he was child he attended to madrasa of Shemsi Effendi whom real name was Simon Zwi -clearly a relative of self-proclaimed massiah Sabbatai Zwi-

Quoting: Anatolian 31776376

Malatians going for it as it seems. :) Do you have any idea how many of them still exist today?

Some researchers say that they're about 2 million crypto-christians too in Turkey today.

Hey, I heard both Ruhollah Bashevich Khomeini and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad were also, you know, Chosen Ones.

Plus, Naturei Karta, come on man, those guys are totally mainstream & would never be wrong about whom they have photo-ops with. No way.

Also: recent archive rumours have it that Allah the Merciful and Allah the Splendid may in fact be at least 1/4, uh, "hook-nosed". Not Allah the Magnificent or Allah the Unknowable, though -- they're 100% legit, true and manly, no way do I suspect them being kosher like that!

Hey, I heard both Ruhollah Bashevich Khomeini and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad were also, you know, Chosen Ones.

Plus, Naturei Karta, come on man, those guys are totally mainstream & would never be wrong about whom they have photo-ops with. No way.

Also: recent archive rumours have it that Allah the Merciful and Allah the Splendid may in fact be at least 1/4, uh, "hook-nosed". Not Allah the Magnificent or Allah the Unknowable, though -- they're 100% legit, true and manly, no way do I suspect them being kosher like that!

US State Department Victoria Nuland: Cyprus has sovereign right of resources in offshore economic zone [link to www.cybc.com.cy]

Russian Gazprom is one of the favorites to land Greek gas public company that is up for privatization, US reaction was off course expected and Nuland urged Greece yesterday to have a 'diverse' energy supply [link to www.ekathimerini.com]

Dunno if the timing of this is by complete chance, but during the last month lots of publications in Turkish press are tangling Greece in a big spy scandal where 58 active Turkish military officers are also involved and arrested. Most recent article implicates former Greek ambassador to Turkey Xidas, the ambassador denied the claims. They also blaming Greece for supporting terrorist organizations that commit terror acts inside Turkey.

Other recent tragicomic controversies between the two countries involve Erdogan getting pissed with the credit agencies that don't upgrade the Turkish debt while they recently upgraded the Greek one and claimed that Greece is selling her islands and shouldn't be upgraded. Greece off course denied these claims coz indeed no islands are being sold. [link to www.todayszaman.com]

Dunno if the timing of this is by complete chance, but during the last month lots of publications in Turkish press are tangling Greece in a big spy scandal where 58 active Turkish military officers are also involved and arrested. Most recent article implicates former Greek ambassador to Turkey Xidas, the ambassador denied the claims. They also blaming Greece for supporting terrorist organizations that commit terror acts inside Turkey.

........

Quoting: insertfunnyusername

hmmm intersting.. what i read in greek news

The story of the three Turks arrested for spying for Greece is just another episode in an undeclared war between EYP and MIT.

and also

Turkish group after Flisvos acquired three other marinas in the country (tourkolimano marina zea, corfu and lefkada)and i read they already have the port at Mitilini :O [link to exelixeis.gr]

Dunno if the timing of this is by complete chance, but during the last month lots of publications in Turkish press are tangling Greece in a big spy scandal where 58 active Turkish military officers are also involved and arrested. Most recent article implicates former Greek ambassador to Turkey Xidas, the ambassador denied the claims. They also blaming Greece for supporting terrorist organizations that commit terror acts inside Turkey.

........

Quoting: insertfunnyusername

hmmm intersting.. what i read in greek news

The story of the three Turks arrested for spying for Greece is just another episode in an undeclared war between EYP and MIT.

and also

Turkish group after Flisvos acquired three other marinas in the country (tourkolimano marina zea, corfu and lefkada)and i read they already have the port at Mitilini :O [link to exelixeis.gr]

Quoting: Ostria1

Yeah, read this about the 3 spies too, they leaked info about an organized plan for a conflict in the Aegean. Secret services working full-time these days it seems.

Read a good article about this billionaire dude, forbes 500 and all. Seems that he is going all in with the marinas.

(but 100 times better because I don't recall Sparta building a Start-Up Nation, helping send mission to Mars or winning Nobel prizes... or giving agrigcultural, medical and tech assistence to some 150 other nations in times of crisis)

(but 100 times better because I don't recall Sparta building a Start-Up Nation, helping send mission to Mars or winning Nobel prizes... or giving agrigcultural, medical and tech assistence to some 150 other nations in times of crisis)

(but 100 times better because I don't recall Sparta building a Start-Up Nation, helping send mission to Mars or winning Nobel prizes... or giving agrigcultural, medical and tech assistence to some 150 other nations in times of crisis)

Dude... there is a long term rivalry between Greece and Turkey... Anyway, good luck with your trillion debt.

"Moderate" Sultan Erdogan-pants wants oil & gas that don't belong to him? Make some noise, some threats, jail a few dissidents, journalists, activists & secular generals; whine about credit-rating agencies to his best bud Obama... fall off a horsey -- all in a day's work.

To know means to know all. Not to know all means not to know. In order to know all, it is only necessary to know a little. But, in order to know this little, it is first necessary to know pretty much.G.I. Gurdjieff

Why haven't the Greeks dumped the Turkish occupiers from Northern Cyprus yet? Turkish 'experts' accuse Greece of illegally snatching islands while they are occupying a portion of a fucking country!

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31810718

ahh the sweet ignorance, occupiers, pffft

To know means to know all. Not to know all means not to know. In order to know all, it is only necessary to know a little. But, in order to know this little, it is first necessary to know pretty much.G.I. Gurdjieff

To know means to know all. Not to know all means not to know. In order to know all, it is only necessary to know a little. But, in order to know this little, it is first necessary to know pretty much.G.I. Gurdjieff