Thing about the head butt is to drive your forehead into the nose area.

You do not want to head but forehead to forehead, because their forehead is also thick.

Plus if the opponent turns his face down to your incoming headbutt, you can suffer damage as a result of contacting the thicker bone of his skull.

It is strictly for forehead to face striking and should be done at very close range and very quickly so that the opponent does not see it coming, or after a previous technique that has distracted the opponent from your next possible strike.

I don’t see any comparison to MMA at all, where head butts are banned, and competitors need to be well rounded in many disciples including wresting and submissions. This is street survival fighting. Of course people are going to have opinions as to whether or not these are good techniques or not. Sure he probably couldn’t beat a professional UFC fighter - couldn’t beat a .45 double tap to the chest either - so?

Let me explain it to you simply. However long I can last, or not, he would last about 1.5 seconds longer. If I can run around the ring, for a minute, hell be down in 1:01.5. If Im down ten seconds, hell be down in 11.5 seconds. In other words, what the man is preaching, is pretty worthless information.

I think there is a lot of misinformation - but that the misinformation is about MMA being some sort of self-defense panacea. MMA is a reality-based sport, but it is still a sport. And yes, while I agree with you that in a ring someone like Paul Vunak would probably not win against a good MMA fighter, I can also guarantee that in a street fight that MMA fighter would not last ten seconds against someone like Paul Vunak.

Why? Because MMA is a sport. That is why gloves are won. That is why there are certain rules ...eg some of the very tools Paul Vunak advocates (e.g. fingers to the eye, scrotum pulls, bites to the throat - techniques he has taught to various government agencies such as the FBI's HRT and the Navy SEALS) are banned in MMA. Because MMA is a sport!

Yet many people in the fighting arts always try to downgrade people by bringing up the 'if it is so effective why don't we see it in the UFC.' Well, because it wouldn't work too good in the UFC. For one gloves prevent eye jabs (which are banned anyways), dropping knees to the throat are illegal, and it is quite difficult to bite a nose off with a mouthguard on (any anyways that is illegal too ...and as for biting, one of the things Vunak teaches is kinomutai, which is uninterrupted biting. He had an interesting exercise where he had someone strap a side of beef to his side - interesting what damage aggressive biting can do. Oh, and yes - it is disgusting, but when someone has you in a jujitsu hold it is an easy way to get out, and if it wasn't effective the FBI's HRT wouldn't be wasting time and money learning it).

I am not knocking MMA. I guess the mix of styles I take could be called MMA-ish. However, MMA is not a sport, and why I agree that what Paul Vunak teaches, or what various teachers of systems like Kali and Krav Maga teach, would not be too effective in the ring (since many of the tools they espouse are limited due to gloves or illegal due to rules), I think it is quite short-sighted (to put it kindly) to say that it is 'pretty worthless information.' Why? Because it is not a ring sport? Interesting then that basically all the CQB hand to hand systems taught to Tier 1 and Tier 2 special operations are similar/same to what Paul Vunak teaches. Interesting that they are learning 'pretty worthless information.' To get to anything similar to MMA you have to get to regular armed forces, such as MCMAP for the Marine Corps and US Army Combatives. The moment you get into special operations they are not learning MMA-esque MCMAP, but rather the worthless techniques people like Paul Vunak teach, with Vunak being one of the teachers in the past. Same with the Israelis - the various Sayaret units would be quite interested to learn how worthless the Krav Maga and KAPAP they have been learning for so long is a waste of time, and how they need to go to the Lion's Den or similar MMA gyms and learn how to do a Kimura lock on someone trying to kill them with a surprise knife attack before they could get their firearm. I'm sure they should be teaching MMA style ground-and-pound, or maybe MMA/BBJ spider ground defense (after it works so well for the Gracies) to Tier 1 and 2 operators rather than what they learn. After all, MMA works so well that Ryan Gracie, who died in a jail cell after a bad reaction to medicine given after he was hit in the head by a person that Ryan had tried to steal a motorcycle from, should simply have told that guy to stop hitting him in the head and instead use legal (for MMA and BJJ, though not the street) moves like getting into the Guard position. After all, had the guy trying to stop Ryan Gracie from stealing his motorcycle used MMA techniques Ryan would be alive today. Unfortunately the man used worthless moves that wouldn't work in the ring, and Ryan Gracie died.

Seriously - saying someone is teaching worthless stuff because it is not MMA is quite shortsighted. Especially considering who some of the consumers of this 'worthless' stuff are, and the fact that the only place you'll get MMA style techniques in the military is in normal units. The moment you go into more specialized units they start teaching them more vicious CQB H2H systems, and MMA is laughed at there.

Pencak (and the other styles of) Silat are quite effective. Even more effective are the styles of Kuntao. As for Shao Lin ...that is trickier, because a lot of what is taught nowadays is modern Wushu. Modern Wushu is very flashy and looks very pretty, but its usefulness is questionable. Traditional Shao Lin can be effective, and there are some styles of Kung Fu that are very practical (e.g. Baji Quan and Xing Yi ...Baji for instance is used by the Chinese secret service equivalent), but they tend to look 'ugly' and not as pretty as the modern wushu variants.

If you have a good Silat/Kuntao/Kali guro/guru then you are in a nice place. Many of the knife techniques are truly good. A friend of mine in Kenya is flying to the Philippines to study Pekiti Tirsia Kali with GM Leo Gaje, who teaches his 'worthless skill' to the Filipino special forces. I guess they should simply go do MMA instead.

Slicing the inside of the thigh will cause death by bleeding, but maybe not fast enough to save you from the attacker. If you are down and manage to get a blade out, cutting behind the ankle or knee can give effect. Stabbing under the armpit can reach the lungs, and I’ve been told causes such pain as to possibly stop the confrontation. Just my thoughts, but the under the arm stab could be an effective first strike against someone wearing protection?

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posted on 12/03/2012 5:11:24 AM PST
by Quickgun
(I came here screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)

Fast and repetitive blows of any kind are better than thinking about what you are going to do.

A thumb to the eye does more damage than a fist, and almost everyone will let go and protect their eyes. A great thing for women to remember.

Hard parts to soft or crunchy parts is an age old fighting technique. Yes, a head butt to the face or the side of the head does far more damage to the receiver than the giver.

A throat punch well delivered will incapacitate anyone and may kill them without medical care after.

The nose, eyes, and throat are not protected by muscle or fat, where getting to a strong fat man’s other vitals can be very tough. I think many women overestimate the groin kick, as its easy to miss the mark, and its just painful, not necessarily debilitating.

All street fighting techniques do serious damage, which is why they are banned from boxing, wrestling, etc.

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posted on 12/03/2012 5:15:50 AM PST
by SampleMan
(Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)

>>A thumb to the eye does more damage than a fist, and almost everyone will let go and protect their eyes.

The thing is, though, that defensiveness about the eyes applies during a confrontation/fight as well. People as you say, protect their eyes. I think the emphasis in the video on head butts is because people don’t instinctively protect themselves from them, especially if you can distract them with those fast and repetitive blows you mentioned, and even if they try to, defending from the head butt is not only tougher, but the movements required to do so makes a person vulnerable in other areas.

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