Except we've already seen Frattin with that line and it didn't miss a beat. If you do the what if hesitation no prospect ever gets a chance. A smallish winger on a small team, I like Mac but he is expendable on this team, give the kids some room.

I have little faith in Reimer and you'll never convince me that someone with a glove stance like Scrivens is starting NHL goalie material. Two backups that's what we have, and management knows it.

He's expendable in the right deal, sure. I'm just not sure if Bernier is that deal. I don't know him well enough to make a strong opinion on him - he's just all potential, which is great - but I've seen that story before with Leaf goaltenders. But his size worries me, and the fact this team would seemingly have to bend over backwards to get him doesn't excite me either. It comes down to price at the end of the day, and the fact MacArthur is a UFA eases the pain, but I'd still be hesitant. What you think 'management knows' will come out in the deals they make (or don't).

The Leafs need a veteran goalie, either to take over, or to mentor Reimer, plain and simple.
The two young goalies fighting for the job idea was tried and failed dismally.

If they believe Reimer is the guy, then get him a veteran back-up for support.
If they don't think Reimer is the guy, then get a goalie with enough experience that we know he is an upgrade.

I know Quick is elite, but he never really had a "vet" tendy showing him the ropes in the NHL. His rookie year, he had Ersberg and Labarbera platooning as his back ups. The last 3 years, it's been Bernier. I know Reimer played a lot better with Giggy, but I think that theory is flawed.

Problem is, we got too many guys that are Okay, but not good enough for their positions on any playoff teams. Like MacArthur and Bozak. Kulemin isn't a top 6 guy, but at least he can play 3rd line. Brown is barely an NHLer. Reimer is maybe a backup, Scrivens probably not. So bring another young goalie with an upside, let's see what we got. Problem is- short season, easy to fool people.

Problem is, we got too many guys that are Okay, but not good enough for their positions on any playoff teams. Like MacArthur and Bozak. Kulemin isn't a top 6 guy, but at least he can play 3rd line. Brown is barely an NHLer. Reimer is maybe a backup, Scrivens probably not. So bring another young goalie with an upside, let's see what we got. Problem is- short season, easy to fool people.

I wouldn't be against it he's young and cheap and we aren't tied to him forever. Deciding who to give up is my problem. I certainly don't want to give a pick, even a third because we may need it if we ever get the balls to tender a contract to an RFA.

I wouldn't be against it he's young and cheap and we aren't tied to him forever. Deciding who to give up is my problem. I certainly don't want to give a pick, even a third because we may need it if we ever get the balls to tender a contract to an RFA.

I think he is a UFA at the end of the season. He has no track record to speak of, and he will walk away from them at the end of the contract, as Quick cemented himself at the #1 forever. Bernier has very little value. Him for Mac, I'd consider a "wash".

I realize this might not be fair to say because Bernier played behind Jonathin Quick, but he still has less total games played then James Reimer. Plus the Leafs need a Goaltender with more experience. With the exception of when they traded for JS Giguere their other two Goalie trades was for Andrew Raycroft and Vesa Toskala. We all know how they played in Toronto and I don't want to go through that again with Bernier. Plus last summer when we heard the talk of Bernier coming to Toronto I heard that Dean Lombardi was asking for a 1st round pick in return for him. If anything I say the value was set when Tampa Bay traded for Andres Lindback.