chris98251 wrote:Montana needed Taylor and Clark and Jones to compliment Rice, but point of your statement is correct, you need guys that can seperate and catch the ball.

Most also had a decent rushing attack, James with Manning, Tyler, Craig, Watters in S.F., Warner Faulk, Bradshaw Blier and some Italian guy named Harris, Smith in Dallas, Marino was the only one that really had no rushing attack, and by chance the only one on that list not to win a Superbowl.

No way would I improve the Cardinals to the point of making them the next NFC West Powerhouse !

Oh, and on the whole "QBs needing elite WRs to be successful" point.....

Brady hasn't had an elite WR outside of Moss for one year. They've trotted out tons of journeymen in and out of that system and that QB. Brady made Welker elite, not the other way around. Branch was borderline elite when he was in NE, but he came here and showed he was merely above average. Went back to NE with Brady and bang! he's good again.

Hawks46 wrote:No way would I improve the Cardinals to the point of making them the next NFC West Powerhouse !

Oh, and on the whole "QBs needing elite WRs to be successful" point.....

Brady hasn't had an elite WR outside of Moss for one year. They've trotted out tons of journeymen in and out of that system and that QB. Brady made Welker elite, not the other way around. Branch was borderline elite when he was in NE, but he came here and showed he was merely above average. Went back to NE with Brady and bang! he's good again.

Eli doesn't have squat either. Its laughable how overrated whatever WR he plays with becomes.

Hawks46 wrote:No way would I improve the Cardinals to the point of making them the next NFC West Powerhouse !

Oh, and on the whole "QBs needing elite WRs to be successful" point.....

Brady hasn't had an elite WR outside of Moss for one year. They've trotted out tons of journeymen in and out of that system and that QB. Brady made Welker elite, not the other way around. Branch was borderline elite when he was in NE, but he came here and showed he was merely above average. Went back to NE with Brady and bang! he's good again.

Eli doesn't have squat either. Its laughable how overrated whatever WR he plays with becomes.

Peyton Manning had Harrison/ WayneMontana had RiceSteve Young had RiceMarino had Duper and ClaytonWarner had Bruce and HoltAikman had IrvinBradshaw had Swann and Stalworth

Just for starters , would you like me to continue

Gee, you think playing with HOF QBs might have aided in the development of some of those guys? Go look at Harrison and Wayne's career trajectory. Harrison's receiving yards went from 776 to 1,663 in Peyton's second year. It took Wayne four seasons with Peyton to break 1,000 yards. And now look what Peyton's doing for Decker and Thomas in Denver.

Please go see what Tom Brady has done for an entire career without a legitimate #1 receiver (besides Moss for one season). Please check out how the 2005 Seahawks had the most dominant offense in the NFL with a receiving corp worse than what we have now. Please take notice that Victor Cruz and Wes Welker were undrafted free agents who developed chemistry with great QBs. And finally, you might have already recognized that Russell Wilson has helped Golden Tate go from consensus bust to valuable contributor in a single season.

No one is denying we need to add more depth at WR. We just don't need to compromise significant cap space or talent to do it. Obsessing over finding "stud receivers" is quick way to bury your franchise. Go ask Detroit or Oakland how that worked out for them.

Also, regarding the perception that our receivers can't get "separation": a lot of this has to do with how careful Russell is with the ball, which is a great thing at this stage in his development. He doesn't make a lot of risky throws. As he continues to build chemistry with his receivers and as his own skills continue to develop, he'll become more confident in making the tighter throws, and the whole "separation" thing will become less of an issue.

Peyton Manning had Harrison/ WayneMontana had RiceSteve Young had RiceMarino had Duper and ClaytonWarner had Bruce and HoltAikman had IrvinBradshaw had Swann and Stalworth

Just for starters , would you like me to continue

Gee, you think playing with HOF QBs might have aided in the development of some of those guys? Go look at Harrison and Wayne's career trajectory. Harrison's receiving yards went from 776 to 1,663 in Peyton's second year. It took Wayne four seasons with Peyton to break 1,000 yards. And now look what Peyton's doing for Decker and Thomas in Denver.

Please go see what Tom Brady has done for an entire career without a legitimate #1 receiver (besides Moss for one season). Please check out how the 2005 Seahawks had the most dominant offense in the NFL with a receiving corp worse than what we have now. Please take notice that Victor Cruz and Wes Welker were undrafted free agents who developed chemistry with great QBs. And finally, you might have already recognized that Russell Wilson has helped Golden Tate go from consensus bust to valuable contributor in a single season.

No one is denying we need to add more depth at WR. We just don't need to compromise significant cap space or talent to do it. Obsessing over finding "stud receivers" is quick way to bury your franchise. Go ask Detroit or Oakland how that worked out for them.

Wayne had 1355 yards this year without Manning..Also, the year Brady had Moss it was by far his best statistical year.

No doubt that the HOF QB is good on his own, but to say that the QB makes them is a stretch. The only conclusion I can come to would be that it would definitely help a lot to have a pro bowl caliber WR on our team

lukerguy wrote:Wayne had 1355 yards this year without Manning..Also, the year Brady had Moss it was by far his best statistical year.

No doubt that the HOF QB is good on his own, but to say that the QB makes them is a stretch. The only conclusion I can come to would be that it would definitely help a lot to have a pro bowl caliber WR on our team

Wayne is the only decent skill player on that team, and Luck was chucking it this season. Of course he was going to get yards. The main point was that Manning helped develop Wayne into a good WR. He didn't walk into the league with pro-bowl skills.

And look, of course the offense gets a boost with super talented receivers. That generally happens when you put better players at any position. All I said was that an elite QB doesn't need all-world receivers to run a dominant offense, which has been proven time and time again. If the next Calvin Johnson falls in our lap, then great! But we don't need to spend tons of money or overreach in the draft to address this need. All I'm saying.

DavidSeven wrote:Gee, you think playing with HOF QBs might have aided in the development of some of those guys? Go look at Harrison and Wayne's career trajectory. Harrison's receiving yards went from 776 to 1,663 in Peyton's second year. It took Wayne four seasons with Peyton to break 1,000 yards. And now look what Peyton's doing for Decker and Thomas in Denver.

Yeah and Harrison's yards actually went DOWN Peyton's rookie year (despite him breaking the record for rookie passing yards), despite the fact that a year previously he had John "led two teams in three years to the number 1 overall pick" Harbaugh throwing him the ball.

No one is denying we need to add more depth at WR. We just don't need to compromise significant cap space or talent to do it. Obsessing over finding "stud receivers" is quick way to bury your franchise. Go ask Detroit or Oakland how that worked out for them.

Terrible examples, Oakland didn't have a quarterback (as did Detroit for many years), and Detroit were doing pretty well with Johnson until they lost their running game completely

The Cardinals already traded for a QB similar to Flynn, with the same amount of experience in the NFL. His name was Kevin Kolb. That didn't work out too well for them. Kolb has a stronger arm than Flynn too.

I wonder if Steve Raible can still catch? Lets have him come out of retirement and sign him if we can't find a franchise receiver.

Larry is 29. His 128 million dollar contract takes him to 37. The way he looked this season I don't see him physically making it to the end of his agreement.

Our problem is not in recieving. It is in the O-Line not being able to open holes for our running backs against certain teams personell in the first half of a game. The Rams..Wash...The Falcons.. were all trouble for our O-Line in the first half of those games. The read option stagnates if our opponent doesn't respect the run.

It would be nice if we didn't have to put the team on the back of Wilson to come from behind in crucial second halves.

Whatever the problem is with our O-Line ..Fix it. Everything else will fall into place.

I'd prefer if we went after Mike Wallace or Dwayne Bowe. Not only are both guys younger, but I think they'll come cheaper. Bowe for his recent injury issue, and Wallace for his recent reputation hit for holding out and then having a sub-par year for an under-achieving Steelers team.

kearly wrote:Honestly, if Fitzgerald was on the waiver wire I would not take him. Go to Spotrac and look at his cap hits for the next six or seven years. If we traded Flynn for Fitz, you might as well throw in Sherman and Earl, because we wouldn't have the money to extend them with that kind of contract on the books.

He also declined this year after putting up 1400 yards with the same QBs in 2011. Who's to say that decline isn't real?

AZ could end up releasing Fitz in a couple years. When that happens, I'd give him a reasonable contract. Until then, he's not worth it.

Holy crap i just did that. Did i read that right?! Is be really going to account for a $20M cap hit in 2015!? That's nutso. That's the stupidest contract I've ever seen! No wonder Arizona sucks...

tacomahawk wrote:While I would love to have someone of Fitz's caliber, I do not want to make my enemy stronger. I also do not want to put Flynn in the same division with a possible chip on his shoulder that we would see twice a year.