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what the BLEEP is wrong with our OFFENSE?!?

Yes I know we have a great team record. Yes I am aware we are the best defensive basketball team in the history of the NBA. But we no longer have an excuse for the offensive inefficiencies and scoring droughts this team is incapable of avoiding.

No longer is it an excuse that Coach Vogel has not implemented his offense. No longer is it an excuse that this team has a revolving door of player personnel. No longer is it an excuse that this team is young when two of our core players have multi all star appearances.

Pacers can ill afford to go six minutes at a time without "buckets." Coach Vogel has to figure out how this team can score more consistently or it will cost us in the playoffs.

We cannot rely on George Hill scoring 37, DWEST not missing a shot, and cool Rasual carrying our 2nd unit. Before anyone chirps about Bynum we cannot rely on him to even see the court or be apart of this team after March 1.

These BS excuses about Paul George being tired is a cop out. He is playing as many minutes as most stars in the NBA and its not an excuse that he has to guard the other teams best player. I highly doubt you would hear Kobe say well I sucked on offense because I was focusing on D. BS. Sure a game here or game there Paul George is going to struggle but were going on about 10 games now in a row. The weariness of looking forward to the all star break is complete crap as well.

We have 4 current all star level players in our starting lineup, we have 2 former all star level players and soon to be 3 in our second unit. Our Defense is so darn good it should be dictating our offensive domination as well and it has at times but no where near the consistent level we are going to need in order for this Franchise to hang a BANNER from the rafters of the Fieldhouse.

George Hill has proven he is a capable scorer way before last nights offensive explosion. For the life of me I cannot figure out why he is not more consistent even if he is playing unselfishly. Right now I have no idea where Paul Georges shooting touch has gone to. And Roy Hibbert at times has simply become very hesitant to score in the post due to lack of balance and poor footwork on the block. The second unit is still a work in progress so I can live and let live with them until the playoffs roll around but our starting 5 has got to find a way to score the ball consistently.

Lets not even take into account that this team despite the chemistry we have is still a turnover machine on the road and against elite competition. Listen, I get players are going to have off nights, PG, Luis, and even DWEST at times but we are simply too darn talented to have 6 minute scoring droughts every other road game or against elite competition.

Whose to blame for the inconsistent lack of scoring production. Is it Coach Vogel or are the players simply not executing.

Point blank, we are too darn talented with the first and second unit to be an average offensive team! Coach Vogel must find a way for our offense to score points in a more consistent manner or it may come back to bite us when it matters most.

Anyone have a valid clue what the hell is wrong with our offense excluding the turnover issues.

Re: what the BLEEP is wrong with our OFFENSE?!?

A team with multiple offensive initiators who are scorers are going to tend to freestyle more, make the opposing defense work less, and be more likely to make bad decisions.

Also, it takes a huge amount of energy to play defense at the level the Pacers do. That leaves less energy to get lift on shots, slightly less crisp cuts and passes, and more likelihood of taking chances due to a little mental fatigue.

Finally, when a team doesn't have a lot of willing passers, it becomes even easier to defend because dribbling the ball cannot possibly move the ball as quickly from one spot to another as proper passing amongst players who move with a purpose can.

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I do not want to place the onus on Roy alone. However, for a team that prides itself in "smashmouth" basketball and an "inside out" offense Roy has yet to prove he can be a consistent option for this team on the block and it concerns me significantly.

If Roy were getting double teamed I would have no gripe with it, but for the most part teams are not doubling to prevent Roy from scoring in the lane. Again, its not just Roy, but at this time I expect more of a low post presence from him and were not getting it.

I hope after last night Hill realizes this team needs him to be more assertive offensively.

We play a slower style of basketball, especially when it comes to running our offense. We don't jack up shots early in the shot clock, don't really run a lot of fast break, and primarily play a half-court offense. Sure, we could be like the Lakers, Pelicans, and Wizards and put up some really cool numbers on offense, but our defensive production would suffer drastically. Those teams put up numbers on offense because they have little to no defense. Outscoring (or outchucking) their opponent is their only chance to win games.

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Lack of a pick and roll game is a problem IMO. Roy's almost useless in this action, and West's more of a pop guy. I hate to say it, but I believe if we had a Gortat or even R. Lopez out there our offense would be much better.

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You ask a question, and in the process say you "don't want to hear" all of the answers. PG plays defense harder than Kobe. PG plays a ton of minutes. We scored a season high last night and beat the leagues best offense. Every team goes through offensive droughts. It's the nature of basketball. And the thing is you CAN count on GHill to score, or West, even Rasual Butler. That's why we win so many games. It's never going to be one guy every night carrying the load. Our offense isn't "prolific" because there are almost no teams in the history of the NBA that are the best defense AND offense in the league.

We have the best record in the league and people are still complaining about it.

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I imagine if we add a scorer off the bench and maybe get Lowry at point guard, that would change. Also Lance and PG are still young. In 3 years they might be averaging 20+ PPG. Lance certainly has the capability. He needs to work this Summer with multiple shooting coaches. So he can knock down that jumper and 3 with ease.

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We play a slower style of basketball, especially when it comes to running our offense. We don't jack up shots early in the shot clock, don't really run a lot of fast break, and primarily play a half-court offense. Sure, we could be like the Lakers, Pelicans, and Wizards and put up some really cool numbers on offense, but our defensive production would suffer drastically. Those teams put up numbers on offense because they have little to no defense. Outscoring (or outchucking) their opponent is their only chance to win games.

So in essence our defense is only considered elite due to the fact we play at a snails pace offensively and distort/skew the numbers? I see your point and it is valid. As a team we are 26th in the league in FG attempts.http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/te...GoalsAttempted

Which could be due to the fact we make other teams work harder for shots as well which in turn slows our offense down. Interesting per the stats above, OKC averages only one more shot per game than us (ranked 19th) and scores approximately 7 more pts a game. This is a team without Westbrook which skews things because they have had to slow tempo with him out.

My point regarding the Lakers was talent wise they have been without Nash, Kobe, and Pau has missed time.. given they are a fast break team but no where near the talent we have, same holds true for bottom feeders like Pelicans and Wizards.

Spurs play half court as well and are ranked in the top 10. One could assume since we play in the weak Eastern Conference our offense would be a little higher than 20th overall.

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We currently have one the best (if not the best) basketball teams in the
world, are at the top of the NBA standings, and are widely recognised as
being a top contender for the NBA championship and you're going to sit
there and ***** about it?

Re: what the BLEEP is wrong with our OFFENSE?!?

You ask a question, and in the process say you "don't want to hear" all of the answers. PG plays defense harder than Kobe. PG plays a ton of minutes. We scored a season high last night and beat the leagues best offense. Every team goes through offensive droughts. It's the nature of basketball. And the thing is you CAN count on GHill to score, or West, even Rasual Butler. That's why we win so many games. It's never going to be one guy every night carrying the load. Our offense isn't "prolific" because there are almost no teams in the history of the NBA that are the best defense AND offense in the league.

We have the best record in the league and people are still complaining about it.

I stated "no excuses." Big difference. How certain are you PG plays harder D than Kobe??? All the while Kobe has a lot more offensive responsibility than PG.

Forgive me but no one in the NBA or sports for that matter hang BANNERS for the "best record."

Maybe some of you should revisit the last time we played the Heat as only one example, were up 15 at one time and our offense didn't score for about 10 minutes straight in that game give or take, and we lost.

Let me summarize then: the fact we no longer play JOB ball yet have way more talent than those teams could ever dream of excuse the fact that this team is average offensively.

Fair enough.

If we got beat last night I wonder if some of you all would be singing the same tune. It took 37 from GHILL and near perfection from DWEST to pull that one out of the fire. I simply expect more from this team offensively at this point in the season and in order to win a BANNER were going to have to avoid going six minutes or longer without a bucket.

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Someone mentioned pace, I partially agree with this. Despite being 20th in offense, we still have the best point differential in the NBA at +8.1. However, as almost anyone can see, our offense is stagnant at times. It's not a problem now, because we can survive due to our historically good defense. I think a lot of is it basic movement without the ball. When the ball is moving in our offense, it is a thing of beauty. Quinn said it well yesterday, just make the easy play. That West pick and pop jumper is there almost all the time, and it feels like he hits it at at least 50%.

This is just a random thought, but I really like that we have seen a variety of end of quarter plays of late. Instead of just straight Paul iso, we will see off ball action, and recently, it seems as though it has been very successful in terms of catching defenses off guard.

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If we got beat last night I wonder if some of you all would be singing the same tune. It took 37 from GHILL and near perfection from DWEST to pull that one out of the fire. I simply expect more from this team offensively at this point in the season and in order to win a BANNER were going to have to avoid going six minutes or longer without a bucket.

The use of last nights game to further your argument may not be wise. We put up 103 in regulation, that would put us in the top 10 in ppg. Its more an issue with our D, or lack there of. If we were wining games 79-70 then you could say we have a severe O issue. I'd imagine if you took out the "garbage" time where we were blowing teams out our PPG would be a bit better.

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Yes, until we hang a BANNER you are correct. I am not going to accept that this team has zero room for improvement. Those of you who disagree and believe this team is as good as it can be can simply post elsewhere if it upsets you that much.

For now:

I expect Roy Hibbert to be more of a force offensively.
I expect PG to produce even when his outside jumper is not falling.. because elite players find a way to score in a multitude of ways.
I expect Hill to not disappear next game.
DWEST BAMF. nuff said.
I expect our second unit to be one of the best in the league and dominate other teams.

Offensively, I believe this team is capable of more.

Forgive me for high expectations and considering our 20th ranked offense as an area of concern that could hinder a BANNER being raised.

You can't have every starter play out of their mind. If Hibbert was averaging 18, and Hill was averaging 15, and it sounds like you want PG to score 25 a night, you are looking at like 85 ppg just by our starters. That just isn't realistic. We are never going to give up 90 points per game and average 108. We would go down as the most dominating NBA team in the history of the game.

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The great part of the team is that anyone can lead the team in scoring but that's also the downfall because it changes every game, in order to have consistent offensive games from players they need to establish rythym.

I know Roy can improve his offense but doesn't get consistent touches to get a rythym that's part on him and part on the coach. At the same time this team/coach needs to decided if we are an in-out team.

Look at west numbers before he was consistently getting looks, now he's gotten consistent touches and has created good rythym.

turnovers are the biggest factor is a below average offense, and they continue to not put enough emphasis on it. At least during the game it seems like it.

That indicates one simple thing. There are good defensive teams and there are bad defensive teams. It doesn't matter if a team is in the East or the West. There are good defensive teams in both conferences. Being in the East doesn't give a team any kind of advantage in scoring.

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