What a bs excuse for an article. Maybe your grades are going down cuz you're not doing as well anymore, did you think of that?Or maybe it doesn't matter what your job is, you shouldn't discuss stripping or strip clubs or strippers with a teacher/superior because it's wildly inappropriate anyway?Probably thinks now that he knows he can't give her good grades for fear of being accused of favoritism

"I just was too embarrassed to argue about it," she said. "I never told anybody again."

Firstly: Good. We don't care about your job and personal life, and if we ask we're just being polite (or in this case we just want something to put in the recommendation to make it sound good). We're not your priest, we don't need a dissertation on the state of your soul.

Secondly: If her grades actually went down after requesting the recommendation (somewhat dubious) it's just a coincidence, because by the same token, no one gives a fark about your job or personal life and certainly not to the extent to start the multi-person conspiracy required to bomb someone's grades. I mean, shiat, you'd have to get the TA in on it just to get the name of the grader, and then get the grader in on it to boot, that's a lot of bribery just to moderately inconvenience one student you don't like. Half the time you'd have to get an adult clerk in the work/study management office between TA and grader, too, that gets expensive fast.

... or does she think that her professor grades her shiat personally? Oh, that's just precious. No wonder her only career option was 'stripper', she certainly wasn't passing the mCATs any time soon.

// Most people request recommendations specifically because they feel like they're doing exceptionally well grade-wise or performance-wise. Thus, statistically, they're usually more likely to see a drop after getting a rec than a rise or maintenance.

Eh - lots of Professors are biased. Lots of them don't realize it. Grading is not objective. And it's 1000x more true in the 'softer' fields (like history) where your more likely to be writing a paper about a topic in general than solving a mathematical equation that can either be correct or incorrect.

Studies have shown that Professors grade differently based on the name on the paper, the formatting/font of the paper, and the handwriting (when it isn't typed).

People *can't* remove their biases. Most aren't even aware of it. If the educational system cared (hint: They don't) the University would have a policy where all of the grading is rotated among Professors and all of the assignments are submitted in a predefined format, with an anonymous 'student identifier'.

Jim_Callahan:"I just was too embarrassed to argue about it," she said. "I never told anybody again."

Firstly: Good. We don't care about your job and personal life, and if we ask we're just being polite (or in this case we just want something to put in the recommendation to make it sound good). We're not your priest, we don't need a dissertation on the state of your soul.

Secondly: If her grades actually went down after requesting the recommendation (somewhat dubious) it's just a coincidence, because by the same token, no one gives a fark about your job or personal life and certainly not to the extent to start the multi-person conspiracy required to bomb someone's grades. I mean, shiat, you'd have to get the TA in on it just to get the name of the grader, and then get the grader in on it to boot, that's a lot of bribery just to moderately inconvenience one student you don't like. Half the time you'd have to get an adult clerk in the work/study management office between TA and grader, too, that gets expensive fast.

... or does she think that her professor grades her shiat personally? Oh, that's just precious. No wonder her only career option was 'stripper', she certainly wasn't passing the mCATs any time soon.

// Most people request recommendations specifically because they feel like they're doing exceptionally well grade-wise or performance-wise. Thus, statistically, they're usually more likely to see a drop after getting a rec than a rise or maintenance.

I agree this girl's story seems implausible, but you are aware there are many, many professors out there who do, in fact, grade work themselves, and many colleges and universities where that is the norm, particularly for upper level courses?

Jim_Callahan:"I just was too embarrassed to argue about it," she said. "I never told anybody again."

Firstly: Good. We don't care about your job and personal life, and if we ask we're just being polite (or in this case we just want something to put in the recommendation to make it sound good). We're not your priest, we don't need a dissertation on the state of your soul.

Secondly: If her grades actually went down after requesting the recommendation (somewhat dubious) it's just a coincidence, because by the same token, no one gives a fark about your job or personal life and certainly not to the extent to start the multi-person conspiracy required to bomb someone's grades. I mean, shiat, you'd have to get the TA in on it just to get the name of the grader, and then get the grader in on it to boot, that's a lot of bribery just to moderately inconvenience one student you don't like. Half the time you'd have to get an adult clerk in the work/study management office between TA and grader, too, that gets expensive fast.

... or does she think that her professor grades her shiat personally? Oh, that's just precious. No wonder her only career option was 'stripper', she certainly wasn't passing the mCATs any time soon.

// Most people request recommendations specifically because they feel like they're doing exceptionally well grade-wise or performance-wise. Thus, statistically, they're usually more likely to see a drop after getting a rec than a rise or maintenance.

I don't know where you attended - but I've been to two different Universities where it was incredibly common for there not to be a teaching assistant and for the actual Professors to be grading papers.

I'm not saying I believe her - but there doesn't need to be a conspiracy if the history Prof is the one grading her papers and his or her opinion of the student has dropped (for whatever reason), it's really easy for their opinion to affect their grades. Again, there are endless studies that show how seemingly insignificant things like what T-shirt you are wearing will affect people's opinion of your essay.

Especially when you have essays and exams with open/written answers. (and most history classes have an abundance of those, including the Hist101 class I found).

Nabb1:I agree this girl's story seems implausible, but you are aware there are many, many professors out there who do, in fact, grade work themselves, and many colleges and universities where that is the norm, particularly for upper level courses?

Some professors will grade finals.

No professor grades more than the occasional assignment, and no lecturer in history has personally graded assignments consistently enough for an "immediate drop in grades" to be perceptible. Even the University of Paris in the 1200s used TAs.

// Though I should clarify: real professor, four-year degree program. Community college people function like high-school teachers and manage coursework differently due to differences in institutional mission. Portland state is an actual University.

Even if professor puritan actually did start dropping her grades because of her job, what a great lesson to teach her.While folks attempt to class up what she does, the fact remains that it is a job with more than a little raunchy connotations, and not one that is highly thought of in most circles. Her history professor taught her a life lesson that will be of much greater value to her than her GPA.

At least she had the good sense to hide her real name when whining about it to the press. But I'll bet that dozens of sleazy lawyers will be attempting to goad her into suing, which would cancel that out.

Fark_Guy_Rob:I did a quick Google and the History 101 class at Portland State doesn't mention anything about a teaching assistant or TA office hours. http://www.web.pdx.edu/~ott/hst101/

That class also literally has only three primary grade components (Midterm, final, one essay) and a minor participation component. There aren't actually any assignments there, or one if you're counting the essay.

If that's the class she's complaining about an "immediate drop in grades" in, then I'm just going to need a minute to laugh even harder.

Fark_Guy_Rob:Eh - lots of Professors are biased. Lots of them don't realize it. Grading is not objective. And it's 1000x more true in the 'softer' fields (like history) where your more likely to be writing a paper about a topic in general than solving a mathematical equation that can either be correct or incorrect.

Studies have shown that Professors grade differently based on the name on the paper, the formatting/font of the paper, and the handwriting (when it isn't typed).

People *can't* remove their biases. Most aren't even aware of it. If the educational system cared (hint: They don't) the University would have a policy where all of the grading is rotated among Professors and all of the assignments are submitted in a predefined format, with an anonymous 'student identifier'.

There are people who hand-write stuff and turn it in still? Like, you mean for calligraphy class, right? Not real classes.

Strippers aren't prostitutes, its a legal, if less than respectable, profession. and there is no such thing as " student sex workers" to get discriminated on. Your a stripper, not a sex worker, and no stripper I've EVER met would call themselves that.It's been said but....

Jim_Callahan:/ Though I should clarify: real professor, four-year degree program. Community college people function like high-school teachers and manage coursework differently due to differences in institutional mission. Portland state is an actual University

The snark in your statement is why I often loathe "The properly educated".

/ Smartest people I know don't have a degree, or have one from those "High-school" colleges.// They knew that real effort would be required to excel in their field, not being able to ride the coat tails of a diploma with a flashy name on it.

Jim_Callahan:Nabb1: I agree this girl's story seems implausible, but you are aware there are many, many professors out there who do, in fact, grade work themselves, and many colleges and universities where that is the norm, particularly for upper level courses?

Some professors will grade finals.

No professor grades more than the occasional assignment, and no lecturer in history has personally graded assignments consistently enough for an "immediate drop in grades" to be perceptible. Even the University of Paris in the 1200s used TAs.

// Though I should clarify: real professor, four-year degree program. Community college people function like high-school teachers and manage coursework differently due to differences in institutional mission. Portland state is an actual University.

Unless the TAs aren't being paid, there are going to be a limited number of them. Courses with smaller enrollment (generally the more specialized, higher level courses) aren't going to qualify for a TA, especially if there just isn't enough work to fill the time for which they're being paid. Professors of all levels, in all types of schools, in all types of courses covering all types of topics are potentially going to find themselves doing most or all of the grading in a course at some point.

Professors are also the ones that get to decide if a student gets one grade for the whole course (e.g. a single, final exam which determines a course grade) or perhaps students do up to dozens of assignments throughout the course, each with a grade assigned to it.

Professors also get to determine how assignments are evaluated. Grades can be chosen based on completely mathematical formulas with no room for ambiguity (multiple choice and math problems are good for this). Grades can be chosen almost completely arbitrarily based on unknown (or undisclosed) criteria (essays are good for this).

There is no single model for college courses to which all teachers strictly adhere. I've taught college courses on many occasions (including in what you would call an 'actual' university), and I always do the grading a little differently every time. Elements of the grading are deterministic, others are up to my own discretion. While I try not to let any bias or opinion about a student's personality affect their grade, I know that I have opinions about every student's personality and that I am not always aware of my own biases.

There isn't enough information in the article for me to judge whether or not I believe her, but nothing about it sounds unbelievable. The fact that she's talking to the media makes me suspicious, but that just reflects my own bias.

/Attended two public Universities and a private Institution, all in the US//Taught at two of those, but before earning my Ph.D. and not as a professor///Currently employed by a University of Paris///Haven't met any TAs in Paris

varmitydog:Bslim: Freedom to skank it up doesn't mean freedom from consequences.

Even if professor puritan actually did start dropping her grades because of her job, what a great lesson to teach her.While folks attempt to class up what she does, the fact remains that it is a job with more than a little raunchy connotations, and not one that is highly thought of in most circles. Her history professor taught her a life lesson that will be of much greater value to her than her GPA.

At least she had the good sense to hide her real name when whining about it to the press. But I'll bet that dozens of sleazy lawyers will be attempting to goad her into suing, which would cancel that out.

No. Just no. Being a stripper it's legal, and none of anyone's goddamn business. Should she have told him? No. Is it appropriate for him to discriminate against her for it? No.

Fark_Guy_Rob:Eh - lots of Professors are biased. Lots of them don't realize it. Grading is not objective. And it's 1000x more true in the 'softer' fields (like history) where your more likely to be writing a paper about a topic in general than solving a mathematical equation that can either be correct or incorrect.

Studies have shown that Professors grade differently based on the name on the paper, the formatting/font of the paper, and the handwriting (when it isn't typed).

People *can't* remove their biases. Most aren't even aware of it. If the educational system cared (hint: They don't) the University would have a policy where all of the grading is rotated among Professors and all of the assignments are submitted in a predefined format, with an anonymous 'student identifier'.

I remember a conversation between two teachers that would sit together grading essays...

Teacher 1: New essays to correct, here's one, What do you think?Teacher 2: Whoa-ho. Very nice. Look at that.Teacher 1: Picked them up from the class yesterday.Teacher 2: Good coloring.Teacher 1: That's bone. And the lettering is something called Silian Rail.Teacher 2: It's very cool, but that's nothing. Look at this.Teacher 2: That is really nice.Teacher 2: Eggshell with Romalian type. What do you think?Teacher 1: Nice.Teacher 2: Jesus. That is really super. How'd a nitwit like you get so tasteful?Teacher 1: [Thinking] I can't believe that you prefers this student's essay to this one.Teacher 2: But wait. You ain't seen nothin' yet. Raised lettering, pale nimbus. White.Teacher 1: Impressive. Very nice.Teacher 2: Hmm.Teacher 1: Let's see this student's essay.Teacher 1: [Thinking] Look at that subtle off-white coloring. The tasteful thickness of it. Oh, my God. It even has a watermark.Teacher 2: Is something wrong, Teacher 1? You're sweating.

EggSniper:Jim_Callahan: Nabb1: I agree this girl's story seems implausible, but you are aware there are many, many professors out there who do, in fact, grade work themselves, and many colleges and universities where that is the norm, particularly for upper level courses?

Some professors will grade finals.

No professor grades more than the occasional assignment, and no lecturer in history has personally graded assignments consistently enough for an "immediate drop in grades" to be perceptible. Even the University of Paris in the 1200s used TAs.

// Though I should clarify: real professor, four-year degree program. Community college people function like high-school teachers and manage coursework differently due to differences in institutional mission. Portland state is an actual University.

Unless the TAs aren't being paid, there are going to be a limited number of them. Courses with smaller enrollment (generally the more specialized, higher level courses) aren't going to qualify for a TA, especially if there just isn't enough work to fill the time for which they're being paid. Professors of all levels, in all types of schools, in all types of courses covering all types of topics are potentially going to find themselves doing most or all of the grading in a course at some point.

Professors are also the ones that get to decide if a student gets one grade for the whole course (e.g. a single, final exam which determines a course grade) or perhaps students do up to dozens of assignments throughout the course, each with a grade assigned to it.

Professors also get to determine how assignments are evaluated. Grades can be chosen based on completely mathematical formulas with no room for ambiguity (multiple choice and math problems are good for this). Grades can be chosen almost completely arbitrarily based on unknown (or undisclosed) criteria (essays are good for this).

There is no single model for college courses to which all teachers strictly adhere. I've taught college courses on many occasions (including in what you would call an 'actual' university), and I always do the grading a little differently every time. Elements of the grading are deterministic, others are up to my own discretion. While I try not to let any bias or opinion about a student's personality affect their grade, I know that I have opinions about every student's personality and that I am not always aware of my own biases.

There isn't enough information in the article for me to judge whether or not I believe her, but nothing about it sounds unbelievable. The fact that she's talking to the media makes me suspicious, but that just reflects my own bias.

/Attended two public Universities and a private Institution, all in the US//Taught at two of those, but before earning my Ph.D. and not as a professor///Currently employed by a University of Paris///Haven't met any TAs in Paris

jesus wept, you got a ten dollar dictionary, doc. nobody can read all that shiat, sum it up nect time, would ya?

Jim_Callahan:"I just was too embarrassed to argue about it," she said. "I never told anybody again."

Firstly: Good. We don't care about your job and personal life, and if we ask we're just being polite (or in this case we just want something to put in the recommendation to make it sound good). We're not your priest, we don't need a dissertation on the state of your soul.

Secondly: If her grades actually went down after requesting the recommendation (somewhat dubious) it's just a coincidence, because by the same token, no one gives a fark about your job or personal life and certainly not to the extent to start the multi-person conspiracy required to bomb someone's grades. I mean, shiat, you'd have to get the TA in on it just to get the name of the grader, and then get the grader in on it to boot, that's a lot of bribery just to moderately inconvenience one student you don't like. Half the time you'd have to get an adult clerk in the work/study management office between TA and grader, too, that gets expensive fast.

... or does she think that her professor grades her shiat personally? Oh, that's just precious. No wonder her only career option was 'stripper', she certainly wasn't passing the mCATs any time soon.

// Most people request recommendations specifically because they feel like they're doing exceptionally well grade-wise or performance-wise. Thus, statistically, they're usually more likely to see a drop after getting a rec than a rise or maintenance.

This is a lot of confidence in how Universities everywhere work for a little knowledge on the subject.

Fark_Guy_Rob:Eh - lots of Professors are biased. Lots of them don't realize it. Grading is not objective. And it's 1000x more true in the 'softer' fields (like history) where your more likely to be writing a paper about a topic in general than solving a mathematical equation that can either be correct or incorrect.

Studies have shown that Professors grade differently based on the name on the paper, the formatting/font of the paper, and the handwriting (when it isn't typed).

People *can't* remove their biases. Most aren't even aware of it. If the educational system cared (hint: They don't) the University would have a policy where all of the grading is rotated among Professors and all of the assignments are submitted in a predefined format, with an anonymous 'student identifier'.

I have a shouty loud neighbor who I've had to call the cops to intervene before, and about a week ago I heard the last argument end with "My friends told me about what you're doing before you did, take your car and go, stripper!" Well, he seems to be a bit of a hypocrite. He travels in the circles that would go to see strippers, and if she is competent to be a girlfriend then why not. I don't do strip clubs, but if a woman can exploit men for money all the power to them.

Jim_Callahan:Nabb1: I agree this girl's story seems implausible, but you are aware there are many, many professors out there who do, in fact, grade work themselves, and many colleges and universities where that is the norm, particularly for upper level courses?

Some professors will grade finals.

No professor grades more than the occasional assignment, and no lecturer in history has personally graded assignments consistently enough for an "immediate drop in grades" to be perceptible. Even the University of Paris in the 1200s used TAs.

// Though I should clarify: real professor, four-year degree program. Community college people function like high-school teachers and manage coursework differently due to differences in institutional mission. Portland state is an actual University.

Jim_Callahan:Nabb1: I agree this girl's story seems implausible, but you are aware there are many, many professors out there who do, in fact, grade work themselves, and many colleges and universities where that is the norm, particularly for upper level courses?

Some professors will grade finals.

No professor grades more than the occasional assignment, and no lecturer in history has personally graded assignments consistently enough for an "immediate drop in grades" to be perceptible. Even the University of Paris in the 1200s used TAs.

// Though I should clarify: real professor, four-year degree program. Community college people function like high-school teachers and manage coursework differently due to differences in institutional mission. Portland state is an actual University.

Oh jim. What's impressive is not how little you know, but how determinedly you display how little you know.

Jim_Callahan:"I just was too embarrassed to argue about it," she said. "I never told anybody again."

Firstly: Good. We don't care about your job and personal life, and if we ask we're just being polite (or in this case we just want something to put in the recommendation to make it sound good). We're not your priest, we don't need a dissertation on the state of your soul.

Secondly: If her grades actually went down after requesting the recommendation (somewhat dubious) it's just a coincidence, because by the same token, no one gives a fark about your job or personal life and certainly not to the extent to start the multi-person conspiracy required to bomb someone's grades. I mean, shiat, you'd have to get the TA in on it just to get the name of the grader, and then get the grader in on it to boot, that's a lot of bribery just to moderately inconvenience one student you don't like. Half the time you'd have to get an adult clerk in the work/study management office between TA and grader, too, that gets expensive fast.

... or does she think that her professor grades her shiat personally? Oh, that's just precious. No wonder her only career option was 'stripper', she certainly wasn't passing the mCATs any time soon.

// Most people request recommendations specifically because they feel like they're doing exceptionally well grade-wise or performance-wise. Thus, statistically, they're usually more likely to see a drop after getting a rec than a rise or maintenance.

University has probably changed since I went, but almost all of my profs. graded my stuff back in the mid-80's.

PunGent:bunner: I cannot help but think that any student who has figured out "z0mg lookit mah titties, 'k gimmie munny nao" is profitable industry should be given extra credit, especially if she's in Econ.

kitsuneymg:Fark_Guy_Rob: Eh - lots of Professors are biased. Lots of them don't realize it. Grading is not objective. And it's 1000x more true in the 'softer' fields (like history) where your more likely to be writing a paper about a topic in general than solving a mathematical equation that can either be correct or incorrect.

Studies have shown that Professors grade differently based on the name on the paper, the formatting/font of the paper, and the handwriting (when it isn't typed).

People *can't* remove their biases. Most aren't even aware of it. If the educational system cared (hint: They don't) the University would have a policy where all of the grading is rotated among Professors and all of the assignments are submitted in a predefined format, with an anonymous 'student identifier'.

There are people who hand-write stuff and turn it in still? Like, you mean for calligraphy class, right? Not real classes.

They do for the Bar Exam here in Massachusetts. Under 30% of the total I'd say, and dropping every year, but it's not uncommon.

bunner:PunGent: bunner: I cannot help but think that any student who has figured out "z0mg lookit mah titties, 'k gimmie munny nao" is profitable industry should be given extra credit, especially if she's in Econ.

No, no, no...they should all be flunked right out.

That way we get more strippers, and fewer economists. Win-win.

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*scibbles furiously*

I'll assume that's an admission that, like any normal human male, you'd rather spend time with strippers than with economists :)

Jim_Callahan:Nabb1: I agree this girl's story seems implausible, but you are aware there are many, many professors out there who do, in fact, grade work themselves, and many colleges and universities where that is the norm, particularly for upper level courses?

Some professors will grade finals.

No professor grades more than the occasional assignment, and no lecturer in history has personally graded assignments consistently enough for an "immediate drop in grades" to be perceptible. Even the University of Paris in the 1200s used TAs.

// Though I should clarify: real professor, four-year degree program. Community college people function like high-school teachers and manage coursework differently due to differences in institutional mission. Portland state is an actual University.

I can't believe I'm responding to this troll...but, I am a professor at a real, actual university. I grade everything that I assign in class. In fact, this weekend I'm grading midterm exams for two classes, a laboratory exam, and a number of papers. The only faculty I know who don't grade all of their own homework, exams, etc are those in math, who have TAs to grade the weekly homework, and they still have plenty of assignments to grade. I earned my PhD at a large research university and my professors there graded the bulk of the work they assigned (as a TA I graded the stuff assigned in lab).

PunGent:bunner: PunGent: bunner: I cannot help but think that any student who has figured out "z0mg lookit mah titties, 'k gimmie munny nao" is profitable industry should be given extra credit, especially if she's in Econ.

No, no, no...they should all be flunked right out.

That way we get more strippers, and fewer economists. Win-win.

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*scibbles furiously*

I'll assume that's an admission that, like any normal human male, you'd rather spend time with strippers than with economists :)

Actually, I'd rather spend my time with shoe shine stand operators than economists. A - The former is actually participating in the economy and not just playing play bu play announcer man, and B - Economists have, by and large, helped us get precisely, here.