LUMPENPROLETARIAT—Working with Media Roots back in the day gave me an enhanced appreciation for paying closer attention to what actually happened around the events of 9/11. Whilst most progressives have found it easier to ignore the horrific reality of 9/11, with all of its consequences, as new information comes to light, Guns and Butter has consistently maintained an open mind to consider diverse perspectives on the issue. In this week’s broadcast, Bonnie Faulkner spoke with Christopher Bollyn about 9/11 and the architects of terror. Listen (or download) here. [1]

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[Partial transcript of actual radio broadcast by Messina for Lumpenproletariat and Guns and Butter] [1]

CHRISTOPHER BOLLYN: “We’re not dealing with a real threat. We’re dealing with an artificial threat. We’re dealing with a fake terrorism—9/11 and most of the terrorism, that goes on in this world today, is, in fact, fake terrorism or contrived terrorism, false terrorism, false flag terrorism—and that the War on Terror, which is what 9/11 was meant to start, is equally a fraud. The War on Terror and the terrorism, that we see happening around us, is all part of, basically, a big feeder operation, a big PSYOPs.

“And, so, when we understand that, we can disabuse ourselves of this notion that we’re fighting a war against Islam and the whole Arab world, what have you. No. We’re being duped. We’re being deceived on a day to day basis.”

“Christopher Bollyn is an independent researcher, investigative journalist, and author. Upon graduation from high school in Cook County, Illinois, he spent the next three years travelling extensively throughout Europe and the Middle East, finally settling in, both, a kibbutz in Israel and, in Norway, where he studied Egyptian, Biblical Hebrew, and Norwegian at the University of Oslo.

“He is a graduate of the University of California in history with an emphasis on Israel/Palestine. Along with research and writing, he has worked as an editor and translator. His travels and studies of German, Spanish, Norwegian, Swedish, Hebrew, and Arabic languages have helped him analyse international politics and events. He is the author of Solving 9/11: The Deceptions That Changed the World and Solving 9/11: The Articles.

“Christopher Bollyn, welcome again.”

CHRISTOPHER BOLLYN: “Thank you. Nice to be with you.”

BONNIE FAULKNER: “In Solving 9/11: The Deception That Changed the World, you have a chapter entitled, ‘The Architecture of Terror: Mapping the Network Behind 9/11’. This chapter includes a dizzying array of companies and people, both, in and out of government, that were in positions to facilitate and orchestrate the events of September 11 [2001]. Andreas vonBülow, the former head of the former Parliamentary Commission, that oversaw the financing of the German intelligence agencies. What did von Bülow have to say about what he termed, as a, quote, ‘sophisticated false flag operation, like 9/11‘?”

CHRISTOPHER BOLLYN: “Well, the first thing he told me was—this was in November or early December 2001 in Germany—he told me that the, first of all, he told me that the Israeli intelligence was behind the 9/11 atrocity.

“And, then, he said that such a sophisticated operation, false flag operation, would involve three different levels. The first level, he said, was the architectural level. This is the people who planned the false flag crime, in order to have it blamed on a third party, in this case, the Arab Muslim fanatics of Osama bin Laden. And the purpose of their false flag terrorism is to, basically, change public opinion. In this case, change U.S. public opinion to support the war agenda in the Middle East and to support the increased defence spending.

“The second level, he said, was the managerial level. These are the people who managed the setting up of the crime and, then, managed the deception, that follows the crime. And they also—this managerial level—control the third level, which is the working level. And, for example, he said, the working level is part of the deception. In this case, the working level would be the 19 Arabs, the alleged hijackers.” (c. 4:20)

BONNIE FAULKNER: “Did von Bülow have anything else to say about his opinion of this operation?”

CHRISTOPHER BOLLYN: “Yes, well, it was surprising that he said, quite frankly, that he thought it was the Israeli operation, Israeli intelligence. And I went ahead and reported that in the report that I wrote up about our discussions. And he was surprised because he had said the same thing to German journalists, but, as he said, that none of the German journalists would ever publish such a statement.

“But I did. And he was a little bit surprised at that, that, you know, our media, the paper I wrote for would go ahead and say such a thing.”

BONNIE FAULKNER: “You write that there is evidence of an Israeli intelligence network connecting every key player and entity behind 9/11. The people and companies and their interrelationships are quite complex. Can you talk about a few of these networks? The people and companies?”

CHRISTOPHER BOLLYN: “Yeah, well, there’s a—like you said—a whole host of them. Ehud Barak, for example, when he lost the election to Ariel Sharon, came over to the United States in the late winter of 2000 and was working in the United States, you know, for the ten months or so prior to 9/11.

“And he worked with a company, that was actually produced aluminum nano-particles, nano-composites, which is one of the key elements of nano-thermite.

“And, then, there was, as you said, in that Chapter Seven, ‘The Architecture of Terrorism’, there’s a whole host of companies, you know, including NICE, N-I-C-E—that’s an Israeli company—and others. And, as I found, as I demonstrated in this chapter, these Israeli companies are all interrelated, interlinked with, for example, the scores of Israeli art students, who were spying on, and trying to set their stuff up in DEA offices across this country. [2] These companies and these relationships were, actually, investigated after I wrote the chapter by an English editor and a fact-checker. And he examined 105 statements, that I made in that chapter and found that all of them were correct. And this was a person in England, who was actually hostile to my thesis that this was an Israeli operation.

“But he was hired by a publisher in Europe to check the facts of that chapter, that you referred to, ‘The Architecture of Terrorism’, and found that all of my connections, all of my statements, were, in fact, true.” (c. 7:06)

BONNIE FAULKNER: “Yes. That chapter is very complex. It was hard for me to hold it in my mind, all at once, because there’s so many interconnections and a huge cast of characters.

“Now, you mentioned the art students. This is a very important point. You go into that in some detail in your book. What can you tell us about these art students? Who do we think they might have been?” (c. 7:30) [2]

CHRISTOPHER BOLLYN: “Well, that’s, that’s really interesting. These art students were Israelis, who pretended to be art students. And, actually, though, I think it was the DEA had done a working paper, an analysis of these students, who had been arrested and who had been caught, and found that they were actually Israeli military personnel, active, who had served in, or were members of, demolition units. Many of them—like there was a Peer Segalovitz, I think his name was, who was one of the heads of these teams. [3] And he had led a platoon or a group of 80 other soldiers. And their specialty was, in fact, demolition. [4]

“And these people were the ones who were, you know, found trying to infiltrate into DEA offices, Drug Enforcement Agency offices and private homes of agents of the DEA across the United States.

“And, when this information came out, this was also part of the Carl Cameron four-part series on Fox News, that came out just after 9/11.

“But there’s a tie-in. These individuals, in this Israeli art student spying operation, were connected to Israeli companies, that were, you know, also tied into 9/11.

“As you said, it’s very complex. It’s—what I’ve done is I’ve created a flow chart sort of thing, where I have mapped out these entities and show the relationships between them.

“And what Israeli intelligence has done, for a long time, actually, in this country, in the United States, is that they, what they do is they set up a company in Israel. The research and development of a company is done in Israel. And, then, they create their headquarters, their business office for that company in Menlo Park, California or Silicon Valley or Boston or what have you. And, so, it has the appearances, from the outside, of being an American company, when, in fact, it’s an Israeli intelligence operation, a hundred percent.” (c. 9:46)

BONNIE FAULKNER: “Now, you just said that these Israeli art students, so-called, at least some of them were arrested. What were they arrested for?” (c. 9:56)

CHRISTOPHER BOLLYN: “Well, they were arrested and caught when they were very aggressively trying to get into, or they were harassing, DEA offices and DEA personnel at their private residences.

“And, so, the DEA document, lists the names. Sometimes, the spelling isn’t quite correct of these agents, as they were caught, as they were observed trying to, basically, infiltrate DEA offices across the country. And this going on—I think it was—in Texas, in California. And a lot in Florida. Most of the activity was, actually, being done in Florida, right around the area where these 19 alleged hijackers lived.”(c. 10:47)

BONNIE FAULKNER: “Well, now, do you have any opinion, as to why they would be trying to infiltrate the DEA? I mean, now, there is evidence that these 19, or how many ever, accused hijackers, that were living in Florida, were actually dealing drugs. Isn’t that right?” (c. 11:06)

CHRISTOPHER BOLLYN: “M-hm. M-hm. Well, that could very well be. And the thing is what we also know about the alleged hijackers, the 19 Arab alleged hijackers is that many of them had been issued duplicate licenses. And, when you read the details, you find that, you know, for example, one of the Arab hijackers would get the license on a Wednesday. And the very next day a call would come in to the DMC, or what have you—the people that issue licenses in Florida—requesting a duplicate license issued and with the excuse that the person had moved to a new residence and had a new address.

“So, what you have is you have, basically, two IDs for the same person in circulation at the same time. And this is an indication of—and many of these people had also reported having lost their passports. So, what this indicates is that there were two people going around with the same ID, leaving a, basically, a false trail in the name of the person who was to be implicated in the crime.

“And it’s about an Israeli, a similar Israeli terror operation in Europe. George Roy Hill made a movie about it. But the book explains how this is done, how a false trail is left to implicate a person in a crime. And that’s what we have. Apparently, that’s what we had with these 19 alleged hijackers.

“Somebody was leaving a trail in their name to implicate them in the crime. And, as you say, why would the Israelis be interested in infiltrating and getting into DEA offices? Probably because they were trying to do intelligence-gathering on the DEA. (c. 12:54)

“And what I see is that the Clintons and the Bush families have been involved in this drug operation, that began back in the 1980s, between the Medellin Cartel and the Israelis were involved in this.

“So, having access to the DEA’s offices and the information would give them the power, especially with this computer enterprise software, to know what going on in the DEA, at any given time, in real time. That’s what they probably wanted.” (c. 13:29)

BONNIE FAULKNER: “And how would that information have benefited them?”

CHRISTOPHER BOLLYN: “Well, the thing is that, as I point out in the chapter on ‘The Planes of 9/11’, the second chapter of the book, Solving 9/11, the Israeli Aircraft Industries, IAI, has long had a base in Bogota, Colombia. And I believe, and I think the evidence is pretty clear, that the Israelis have been involved in this drug operation from Colombia to the United States, along with the Bush family and the Clinton family.

“And nothing ties people together more closely than a crime committed together. And I think that the crime here is that they, basically, took over the Medellin drug cartel operations.

“And this is why, I think, why Phillip Marshall was killed in Calaveras County a year or so ago because he had written a book called Lakefront Airport. And he writes about his experiences. It’s an autobiographical novel, in which he writes about his experiences being the personal pilot, the Learjet pilot for Barry Seal. And Barry Seal was, of course, the drug smuggler, who turned to be a DEA informant. (c. 14:47)

“And this is what—this is the crime where these families are connected. The operation was being run out of the White House, out of the basement of the White House by Papa Bush, George Herbert Walker Bush. And Bill Clinton was, of course, the governor in Arkansas when Barry Seal was flying all these massive amounts of cocaine into Arkansas.”

BONNIE FAULKNER: “—”

CHRISTOPHER BOLLYN: “And what, and what the problem is for them is that this pilot, Phillip Marshall, knew the names, knew the places, knew the operation. And he had written a book about it. And he was planning to write a fourth book. But the third book, Lakefront Airport is very hard to get. Right now, if you wanna buy it on Amazon, it costs about $600.

“But I just read it. And you could see very clearly that it’s his inside knowledge of this drug operation, weapons and drug operation called, you know, the Iran-Contra thing, that that’s what put his life in danger because he knew the names and he knew what was going on.

“The reason I think he was killed was because he had inside information, first-hand information about the drug-smuggling operation, that involved the Clintons, the Bushes, and the Israelis. That’s why he was a danger to the system.” (c. 15:59)

“You mentioned The Little Drummer Girl. You write that John le Carré,’s 1983 novel, The Little Drummer Girl is about Israeli false flag operations and that, in the preface to his book, John le Carré thanked past and serving officers of Israeli intelligence. I believe The Little Drummer Girl was also made into a movie. Yes, you mentioned this.”

CHRISTOPHER BOLLYN: “Right.”

BONNIE FAULKNER: “What is the storyline of The Little Drummer Girl? And what do you think is its significance?” (c. 16:42)

CHRISTOPHER BOLLYN: “Yeah. John le Carré signed the foreword to that book, or the preface, in—I think it was—July 1982. And that’s exactly the time when the Israelis were invading Lebanon, in 1982, under Ariel Sharon and Menachem Begin. But, as he says in the very beginning, he thanks—and he names these people—he names the former head of Israeli military intelligence for, basically, you know, giving him all this information and insight about how Israeli intelligence operations work in Europe.

“And, in this book—and in the movie I believe it’s Diane Keaton that plays the role—she’s an actress from England. And she’s, basically, recruited by the Mossad to help entrap a Palestinian. And she goes down to Turkey or Greece and hooks up with this Palestinian guy. And they have, sort of, a relationship, a romance.

“But the whole purpose of the book is to implicate this Palestinian in terrorism, that he’s not actually involved in. And, in the movie, some of the scenes in the movie involve, like, Israelis blowing up a synagogue. But it’s not really. They’re not really blowing up the synagogue. They’re putting charges in the window and blowing the windows out. It’s all theatrics.

“And that’s one of the key statements in the book by one of the Mossadniks. He says that: Terror is theatre. Theatre is a con trick. Do you know what that means? Con trick? You’ve been deceived.

“And that’s very important. You know? To understand how Israeli military intelligence goes about implicating and setting up a crime like this, so that the authorities, that do the investigation, following the crime, come away believing, thinking that and having in their hands evidence, that implicates, you know, Arabs or terrorists or whatever, Palestinians, when in fact the whole thing has been, basically, theatre, basically, theatre.

“And that’s what we’re seeing now much more in the United States. We’re seeing these incidents, like San Bernardino and Boston, Boston Marathon. We’re seeing terrorists attacks, or terrorist incidents, where, clearly, the public can see that we’re being deceived. You know? It’s really. The theatre aspect of these crimes, or these terrorist attacks, is becoming very evident. (c. 19:10)

“So, it’s like the game is up. You know? These people are still doing these terrorist attacks. They’re still doing them on a daily basis in Iraq and Syria and Afghanistan. But when they do these kinds of crimes in this country, the public has woken up to the fact that we are being deceived. And that’s a really good thing.”

BONNIE FAULKNER: “There was, ultimately, an unsuccessful attempt to attain the security contract for the New York Port Authority back in 1987. Who obtained the security contract? And how did they lose it?” (c. 19:44)

CHRISTOPHER BOLLYN: “Well, that’s a very interesting aspect of this crime. A couple Mossadniks, these are high-level Mossad agents. Zvi Malkin is one of them. And the other one is Avraham Shalom Bendor.

“These two men were very high level Mossad agents working under Isser Harel, the first chief of the Mossad and the first chief of the Shin Bet, basically. This is Israeli domestic intelligence and foreign intelligence.

“And Isser Harel, he, employed terrorism in his operations. And that’s one reason why he was forced to resign from the Mossad in 1963 because he was involved in an assassination tactic of killing German scientists called Operation Damocles, which was being run by Yitzhak Shamir.

“But the thing is that these two men, Zvi Malkin and Avraham Shalom Bendor, came to the United States in the 1980s and they—these men had been involved in high-level Mossad operations, like the kidnapping of Adolf Eichmann, down in Argentina, the former Nazi, who kidnapped, taken to Israel, tried, and hanged.

“And they were also involved in the illegal procurement of plutonium into this country and shipping it to Israel for its nuclear arsenal.

“So, they were very high-level Mossad players. And they came to this country in the ’80s. And in 1987 they actually obtained the security contract for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which was the body, that owned the World Trade Center. And this is the agency, that oversees the ports and the harbors and the airports and the bridges and tunnels of New York City and New Jersey. (c. 21:36)

“They obtained a security contract for the World Trade Center and the Port Authority. And this crime of 9/11, probably, would have occurred in the late ’80s or early ’90s, had not a person at the Port Authority have discovered that Avraham Shalom Bendor was convicted of a murder in Israel, and was using a false name. And this is the president of the security company, that got the Port Authority contract. It was called Atwell Security of Tel Aviv. And it was, actually, a company, that was set up by the big Mossad guy, Shaul Eisenberg, basically, Mr. [inaudible] for Israel.

“And when the Port Authority discovered that Avraham Shalom Bendor was using a fake name and was wanted or was convicted of murder in Israel, as the former chief of the Shin Bet, they tore up the contract. And, as I said, had they not torn up the contract, 9/11 would’ve probably occurred in the late ’80s or early ’90s. But it was discovered. The contract was torn up.

“But that wasn’t the end of the operation. What they, then, did, this Avraham Shalom Bendor went to work for Jules Kroll. And Jules Kroll and Maurice Greenberg, they had a company together called Kroll Associates. And Kroll Associates got the contract for the World Trade Center after the bombing in 1993.

“So, you see, using the offices of this American Jules Kroll, the Mossad still got into the security contract for the World Trade Center. But it took them until 1993 to do so.” (c. 23:09)

BONNIE FAULKNER: “Well, then, what company or companies held the security contract for the World Trade Center on September 11th?”

CHRISTOPHER BOLLYN: “Well, it was Kroll Associates. Kroll Associates, headed by Jules Kroll and his son and then involving Maurice Greenberg and his son. They had the Kroll Associates. They were given the duty to rewrite procedures, secure procedures for the World Trade Center. And they did so. This was after the bombing of 1993.

“And the bombing in 1993, the bombing of the basement was, basically, an FBI sting operation. And it was investigated for the City of New York for Robert Morgenthau, the D.A. of New York. It was investigated by a guy named Cherkasky. I think his name is Michael Cherkasky. And he was the head of investigations for New York City and for Robert Morgenthau.

“And, then, the following year, Mr. Cherkasky went to work for Kroll Associates when they became the agency, the group, the organisation that was in charge of security for the World Trade Center.

“And the Port Authority took all of their recommendations and put them into effect. And this group, Kroll Associates, then had the security contract for the World Trade Center and oversaw security for the World Trade Center all the way through to the destruction in 2001.” (c. 24:29)

CHRISTOPHER BOLLYN: “Well, it’s exactly. It’s Jules Kroll and his business partner Maurice Greenburg, also known as Hank Greenburg, who was the former CEO of AIG, the company, that got the lion’s share of the $180 billion bailout in 2008 and 2009.

“These two men have several companies together. And one of them is Marsh & McLennan. And Marsh & McLennan is the company, into whose computer room the first plane struck. The very first plane went right into Marsh & McLennan’s secure computer center, which was in the north tower.

“And Kroll Associates and Maurice Greenburg, they have several companies together. Maurice Greenburg has a whole bunch of, you know, operations with Jules Kroll.

“And their sons are also involved. Jules Kroll’s son and Maurice Greenburg’s son. Maurice Greenburg’s son, for example, was the CEO of Marsh & McLennan when the first plane struck their computer room.

“And this is very important because both planes, actually, struck secure computer rooms. And both computer rooms seem to have been prepared with thermite charges and things like that, so that the explosion was, you know, spectacular and pyrotechnical.

“But those are the people. Those two characters. Greenburg and Kroll. They’re very important because Kroll Associates also involve people like Jerome Hauer. Jerome Hauer had been a Kroll Associate. And he was the guy in San Diego, who came on and said, basically, that 9/11 was done by Osama bin Laden. And the Towers fell because of the burning fuel.

(c. 26:29) “Another one was Paul Bremer, who was the first head of the Coalition Provisional Authority [CPA]. I think it was called the CPA in Iraq. He was, basically, America’s proconsul to run the occupation of Iraq for the first three to four years, during which time there was no metering of the oil, that was being exported from Iraq. (c. 26:42)

“All of these characters are at the highest level of the Iraqi invasion, the invasion of Iraq, and 9/11. I mean even Jerome Hauer, who was a Kroll Associates employee, was the person who put the office of Emergency Management hard bunker on the 23rd floor of Building #7. You know, the building, that fell down at 5:20 in the afternoon.

“So, I mean these people are all connected. This small group of players are very deeply connected in the crimes of 9/11 and the atrocity, what happened on 9/11 and, then, the war in Iraq.” (c. 27:16)

BONNIE FAULKNER: “Do you think the high tech enterprise architecture company, Ptech, was compromised? You write that their enterprise software was used to provide real time access and control of all data and information on government computer networks on September 11th.”

CHRISTOPHER BOLLYN: “Yes. It is. This is also part of Indira Singh‘s contribution to 9/11 understanding. P-tech was more than compromised. P-tech was, basically, an Israeli operation. And it was enterprise software, based in Quincy, Massachusetts. And it was what I call a false front operation, which people were led to believe that it was a Lebanese Muslim, who had set up the company, and that this company had been sponsored by some dodgy Saudi guy, who has some ties to terrorism. This is all part of the deception.

“In fact, the person who was playing the key role in the establishment of the company, from the beginning in 1994 and getting its software, its enterprise software, onto U.S. military and government computers, was a man named Michael Gough, a Jewish guy from Worcester, Massachusetts, who was a lawyer. And Michael Gough, what he did is that, he—I spoke to him, and I asked him, how he wound up working for P-tech. And hes said that he had left his law practice in Worcester, Mass. He was working for a good company out there. And he left that law firm. And he went to work, through an agency, for Ptech. It was a little startup company in 1994. And I asked him: Well, what agency was that? What agency was responsible for your going? He couldn’t remember. So, I think he was not telling me the truth, here.

“And what’s interesting here is that Michael Gough, who went on to work for the Mossad company, Guardiam, which is another computer software company—Guardiam, with an ‘M’ at the end. And that’s very clearly an Israeli intelligence operation.

“So, he’s working, on one hand, for Israeli intelligence, and, on the other hand, he’s working for Ptech, this dodgy little Arab startup company in Quincy, Mass, whose software finds itself onto all the computers in the United States government and military. Well, I think I pinned the tail on the donkey when I say that Ptech was an Israeli intelligence front operation all along.” (c. 29:38)

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BONNIE FAULKNER: “What is the SITE Intelligence Group? Who runs it and what do they do? That’s S-I-T-E.” (c. 34:27) [SNIP]

“Bollyn rehashes a lot of stuff that we already knew. Bonnie and everyone else should be aware that the guy is an anti-Semite. In one of his videos, I’ve caught him repeating disinformation that he got from former Grand Master of the Ku Klux Klan, David Duke. Bollyn tells us a lot of things that are true, but he slants the facts to make it look like the Jews are the sole cause of the 9/11 attacks, and like David Duke, he would have us believe that the Jews are the root of all evil.

Bollyn spent a few weeks in Israel working on a kibbutz. So I guess that makes him an expert. He claims to speak Hebrew, but the way he pronounces Hebrew names in this episode, it sounds like he doesn’t even know basic elementary Hebrew.

When talking about P-Tech Corporation, the threat assessment software company, he claims that it was an Israeli company, but neglects to mention that Indira Singh, who was the one who first brought P-Tech to our attention years ago on Guns and Butter, said that it was a Saudi Arabian company. When Bollyn cites a Fox News report, he does not mention that the Saudi royal family owns a good chunk of Fox News.

He even goes so far as to blame Israel for the Kennedy assassination! Of all the information I’ve seen or heard, including on Guns and Butter, never have I come across a shred of evidence of Israeli involvement in the JFK assassination.

As for 9/11, there is a lot more to this story than what Christopher Bollyn is telling us. It seems that one of his purposes is to cast aspersions on Jews to the exclusion of the true executive authority in these false flag operations. Other than the Jews, everyone else involved is innocent with a halo over his head. It was the Jews. Don’t look at any of the other suspects. Just blame the Jews for everything. Frankly, I don’t think Bollyn is the most credible source of information.

I’ve been listening to Bonnie’s Guns & Butter since the beginning in 2001. She has had many great guests on her show, but lately I think she has been scraping the bottom of the barrel. I wish she would stick with guests whose interest is in getting to the truth, and stay away from guests who mainly want to stick it to the Jews. Let them go on David Duke’s radio show. Guns and Butter is too good for this.”

[2] This is a rather vague statement. It seems Bollyn is referring to an art student scam, alleged to be a cover for an Israeli spying operation. Fortunately, Bonnie Faulkner asks for clarification regarding the art students alleged to be Israeli agents.

[4] Presumably, the implication is that this demolition team was involved with the apparently controlled demolition of the World Trade Center towers as well as the third building, Building 7 (or 7 World Trade Center). We’ll have to compare this claim with past claims broadcast on Guns and Butter, and elsewhere, which have described a series of retrofitting workers, allegedly linked to the Bush family, perhaps Jeb Bush, which were reported to have been working in the towers prior to 9/11. The common thread, however, is the use of nano-thermite to cut through the towers’ support beams.

The mainstream media, as well as Wikipedia’s authorities, seem to subscribe to the USA’s official conspiracy theory narrative, including upholding the allegation that the engineering community has debunked analyses, which argue that the 9/11 plane impacts alone could not have brought down the towers, that there had to have been a controlled demolition in place prior to the plane impacts, likely utilising thermite or nano-thermite materials. However, there have been questionable controversies surrounding the two main sources, NIST and Popular Mechanics, to uphold the official government conspiracy theory. Also, scores of architects and engineers have consistently upheld the argument that the plane impacts alone could not have brought down the towers. See Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.