This is nothing new. Sub-par teams have been heading to the Rose Bowl from the Big Ten for several years. Mostly 2 and 3 loss teams, but definitely some 4 loss teams in there also.

i only checked back til 2000 and there were no 4 loss big ten teams in the rose bowl and only 2 3 loss teams (Purdue, 2001; Illinois, 2008) to call 2 loss teams sub par is strange. the SEC has sent 3 loss teams to the Sugar Bowl as well.

This is nothing new. Sub-par teams have been heading to the Rose Bowl from the Big Ten for several years. Mostly 2 and 3 loss teams, but definitely some 4 loss teams in there also.

i only checked back til 2000 and there were no 4 loss big ten teams in the rose bowl and only 2 3 loss teams (Purdue, 2001; Illinois, 2008) to call 2 loss teams sub par is strange. the SEC has sent 3 loss teams to the Sugar Bowl as well.

But that doesn't fit the agenda Get out of here with your numbers, Ike Swagga

This is nothing new. Sub-par teams have been heading to the Rose Bowl from the Big Ten for several years. Mostly 2 and 3 loss teams, but definitely some 4 loss teams in there also.

i only checked back til 2000 and there were no 4 loss big ten teams in the rose bowl and only 2 3 loss teams (Purdue, 2001; Illinois, 2008) to call 2 loss teams sub par is strange. the SEC has sent 3 loss teams to the Sugar Bowl as well.

But that doesn't fit the agenda Get out of here with your numbers, Ike Swagga

That's right... both Purdue and Illinois finished with 4 losses, including the Rose Bowl losses. Wisconsin hasn't lost 4 either, but historically it hasn't mattered. Big Ten has two wins in their last 10 Rose Bowl appearances.

The Big Ten was on a decline well before OSU and PSU removed themselves from contention.

This is nothing new. Sub-par teams have been heading to the Rose Bowl from the Big Ten for several years. Mostly 2 and 3 loss teams, but definitely some 4 loss teams in there also.

i only checked back til 2000 and there were no 4 loss big ten teams in the rose bowl and only 2 3 loss teams (Purdue, 2001; Illinois, 2008) to call 2 loss teams sub par is strange. the SEC has sent 3 loss teams to the Sugar Bowl as well.

But that doesn't fit the agenda Get out of here with your numbers, Ike Swagga

That's right... both Purdue and Illinois finished with 4 losses, including the Rose Bowl losses. Wisconsin hasn't lost 4 either, but historically it hasn't mattered. Big Ten has two wins in their last 10 Rose Bowl appearances.

The Big Ten was on a decline well before OSU and PSU removed themselves from contention.

i dont think that is necessarily a fact. the big ten seems to be on the same playing field its been on for the past 20-30 years. the problem is that the shift in top-end talent (mostly talent from texas, california, florida) have become more concentrated from the big east, pac 10, acc, etc to the SEC/Big XII. Its apparent in former top end programs like Miami where they used to draw the NFL caliber recruits and now those guys are staying relatively local, but branching out to LSU, Georgia, Oklahoma moreso than before. I dont think it necessarily means that the big ten is weaker in terms of talent, as so much as the SEC/Big XII have grown and assimilated ACC/Big East talent pools more aggressively.

i guess that can be argued either way, but i dont think saying that the big ten is in decline is ultimately a clear cut fact based on a year where Brees lit it up for Purdue and Mendenhall did the same for the Illini.

i could be biased on this because i really enjoy the brand of big ten football--it still has a semblance of tradition to it, opposed to the new age corporate NCAA feel.

This is nothing new. Sub-par teams have been heading to the Rose Bowl from the Big Ten for several years. Mostly 2 and 3 loss teams, but definitely some 4 loss teams in there also.

i only checked back til 2000 and there were no 4 loss big ten teams in the rose bowl and only 2 3 loss teams (Purdue, 2001; Illinois, 2008) to call 2 loss teams sub par is strange. the SEC has sent 3 loss teams to the Sugar Bowl as well.

But that doesn't fit the agenda Get out of here with your numbers, Ike Swagga

That's right... both Purdue and Illinois finished with 4 losses, including the Rose Bowl losses. Wisconsin hasn't lost 4 either, but historically it hasn't mattered. Big Ten has two wins in their last 10 Rose Bowl appearances.

The Big Ten was on a decline well before OSU and PSU removed themselves from contention.

So you are in agreement that there were no 4 loss teams headed to the Rose Bowl?

USC has dominated much of the last decade, and Oregon looks to do the same. I agree that these two programs are of higher caliber than anything in the Big 10 right now but I'm afraid of what your standards are if you think the top-end talent in the B1G has been "sub-par". In fact, in the last 6 years I see 3-4 teams that were an upset loss away from being national championship contenders.

What Terelle Pryor could have been. Random, but I remember in HS we lost to Jeanette in the playoffs, they were the most dominant offensive team I have ever seen (at that level). Aliquippa this year is close, but Pryor was just unfair.

Anyway, apparently Miller is all healed up. Should be a heck of a game. I'll be tailgating with the best from about 9 AM until kickoff. Can't wait!

DontToewsMeBro wrote:What Terelle Pryor could have been. Random, but I remember in HS we lost to Jeanette in the playoffs, they were the most dominant offensive team I have ever seen (at that level). Aliquippa this year is close, but Pryor was just unfair.

Anyway, apparently Miller is all healed up. Should be a heck of a game. I'll be tailgating with the best from about 9 AM until kickoff. Can't wait!

They also had Jordan Hall, who came here with Pryor. He's a bit banged up, but I think he and Hyde would be splitting carries.

DontToewsMeBro wrote:What Terelle Pryor could have been. Random, but I remember in HS we lost to Jeanette in the playoffs, they were the most dominant offensive team I have ever seen (at that level). Aliquippa this year is close, but Pryor was just unfair.

Anyway, apparently Miller is all healed up. Should be a heck of a game. I'll be tailgating with the best from about 9 AM until kickoff. Can't wait!

They also had Jordan Hall, who came here with Pryor. He's a bit banged up, but I think he and Hyde would be splitting carries.

PSU-OSU is always a hell of a game.

I played HS football with JHall. He was at Southmoreland for his Freshman year, my senior, and then transferred to Jeanette. Of course, we had him playing OLB. Sooo.. good thing he left

Pitt87 wrote:This is nothing new. Sub-par teams have been heading to the Rose Bowl from the Big Ten for several years. Mostly 2 and 3 loss teams, but definitely some 4 loss teams in there also.

i only checked back til 2000 and there were no 4 loss big ten teams in the rose bowl and only 2 3 loss teams (Purdue, 2001; Illinois, 2008) to call 2 loss teams sub par is strange. the SEC has sent 3 loss teams to the Sugar Bowl as well.

But that doesn't fit the agenda Get out of here with your numbers, Ike Swagga

That's right... both Purdue and Illinois finished with 4 losses, including the Rose Bowl losses. Wisconsin hasn't lost 4 either, but historically it hasn't mattered. Big Ten has two wins in their last 10 Rose Bowl appearances.

The Big Ten was on a decline well before OSU and PSU removed themselves from contention.

So you are in agreement that there were no 4 loss teams headed to the Rose Bowl?

USC has dominated much of the last decade, and Oregon looks to do the same. I agree that these two programs are of higher caliber than anything in the Big 10 right now but I'm afraid of what your standards are if you think the top-end talent in the B1G has been "sub-par". In fact, in the last 6 years I see 3-4 teams that were an upset loss away from being national championship contenders.

Nothing to agree with... thats a fact, or semantics... or whatever you want to call it. But, for the third time, Wisconsin hasn't lost 4 games this year.

B1G! Do people really type that out?... and no, the talent isn't the issue. Its winning. Again, might just be semantics but your "3-4 teams that were an upset loss away" -- assuming they are not all an iteration of Ohio State who has played in a BCS championship game twice in that period -- are all teams that lost a game they probably should not have lost and missed a chance at a championship... Since the first BCS National Championship in '99, the Big Ten, ACC, and Big East have identical records in BCS National Championship games.

What is really funny is that by taking away scholarships, you are going to have kids who would have graduated at PSU attending schools that care much less about academics. Effectively, you are indirectly "punishing" more kids by taking away the option for a free education at one of the best universities (in terms of football graduation rates) in the country.

The football/academic cultural balance was one of the strongest things this program had going for it, and the NCAA had the ignorance to say we need to focus on academics. Taking scholarships away from this program is a joke predicated on ensuring a losing football team and nothing more.