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My experiences with doctors are to always be refered to a specialist for test that the family practioner already knows the problem...then the specialist runs more test or takes more images then refers to another specialist that wants more test and images. End result, problem not solved, so return to family practioner. Lot of money made over my small problem.

Anybody that works for a living misses personal engagements. As a farmer, I didn't have time for personal engagements, and my sacrifice did not earn me the revenue that a doctor does who has days off. As and investment banker, I never saw my son, but at least I was compensated for it. I'm sure the electrician that fixed my power line last night didn't tuck his children into bed either, and I'm sure his compensation does not come close to the compensation of a doctor. So no pitty for doctor doing his job.

All the doctors I know have high lifestyles so shouldn't it be right for them to have to work to have them.

The old system is not good and maybe this one will put us on a direction of providing healthcare for everyone as oppose to making sure a few can live in luxury.

In 35 years of practice, I saw a few patients who had the same attitude as you, a very few. I always hoped that they would be so dissatisfied with me that they would choose to go to someone else. If they didn't, then I chose for them.

You say "a lot of money for a small problem". I would expect that an investment banker would be smart enough TO JUST SAY NO! But then I must be wrong.

When it comes to medicare and medicaid, more and more doctors are JUST SAYING NO, even though it goes against their moraals and ethics. I for one always said no to medicaid and luckily did not have to make a choice about medicare since dentistry was not a part of medicare.

Like all here I am also a patient. I have a GP, endocrinologist, opthomologist, neurologist, dermatologist, gastroentromoligist,(no cardiologist). All I am extremely happy with. Thankfully all are much younger than I. May you can be as lucky someday, or maybe you are and just don't know it.

My experiences with doctors are to always be refered to a specialist for test that the family practioner already knows the problem...then the specialist runs more test or takes more images then refers to another specialist that wants more test and images. End result, problem not solved, so return to family practioner. Lot of money made over my small problem.

Anybody that works for a living misses personal engagements. As a farmer, I didn't have time for personal engagements, and my sacrifice did not earn me the revenue that a doctor does who has days off. As and investment banker, I never saw my son, but at least I was compensated for it. I'm sure the electrician that fixed my power line last night didn't tuck his children into bed either, and I'm sure his compensation does not come close to the compensation of a doctor. So no pitty for doctor doing his job.
All the doctors I know have high lifestyles so shouldn't it be right for them to have to work to have them.

The old system is not good and maybe this one will put us on a direction of providing healthcare for everyone as oppose to making sure a few can live in luxury.

Your entire statement not only shows your ignorance but a certain amount of bigotry and prejudice for a profession you know nothing about..Your stereotype of 9-5 doctors is so far off..do you even consider the ER doctors that work entire weekend shifts fixing up gunshot victims,accident survivors and heart attack patients...or the OB-Gyn that has to go thru the entire labor with a newborn's life in balance...or even the thoracic surgeon that does an extensive twelve hour surgery on someones heart....

I hope that you never have to lie on an operating table with your life in the balance and a surgeon looking over your condition and praying to God that he knows what he is doing...

Executor of the Alanson C Brown III - Trust

Originally Posted by lanse brown

A few things that I learned still ring true. "Lanse when you get a gift, say thank you and walk away. When you get a screwing walk away. You are going to get a lot more screwings than gifts"

How does this change the fact that McCaskill wants my guns ? and is willing to bold face lie and talk circles trying to throw everyone off her trail.

As far a s mental health care the problem starts with to many people not wanting to admit and call out people with mental problems ,because its not politically correct and might hurt someones feelings. It begins with local officials and common people being willing to call a spade a spade.

People have gone soft and no one has the balls to stand up and say " this guy is a retard and somebody better due something with him before I secure my safety " like it or not this is what needs to happen. But instead our society turns a blind eye and whispers like a church lady at a bridge game spreading gossip.Then when they snap and kill people everyone looks around and says "I knew he was crazy"

I'm sure this will piss someone off because I didnt use proper grammar and wasnt sophisticated and say mentally ill, but whatever,suck it up and get a pair.

Edit I do understand there are those that are mentally ill and mean no harm to society .

Menmon...I totally disagree with your comments ondoctors. My Internist stopped practicing medicine last year and went towork in a hospital's administration. He was one of the bestdoctors I ever had. He told me that after reviewing the newObamacare plan that the quality of care he could provide would be compromised,that he could not take...this is happening too many of our good doctors, theyare fed up with the direction of our country, and they do not want to be'Government Employees' so to speak! The average doctor goes to school 10-12 years beyond highschool. They carry with them into their first real jobs debt exceeding$100K, $200k or more....yet if they are successful, some of you criticize theirlife styles...I thought in the USA those who work the hardest, risk the most,have the best success. That is exactly why historically, we have enjoyed thevery best in the world when it comes to our health and related medicalservices. We are now, systematically giving this up! Primarilybecause people like you who do not ‘get it’ voted for Obama (or chose not tovote)… Nuff-Said!

My last surgery was to repair a hernia. The surgeon got paid $400. The anesthesiologists got paid $1000. The hospital got a whopping $7000 for me being in there less than 3 hours about 2.5 hours to be exact. Now I don't see the doctors or surgeons as being a problem.

Back to original topic. There are several common characteristics that the mass shooting have but the one that doesn't get much air time and i feel is a major problem is the fact that these kids are on some type of medication be it Ritalin, adderall or any of the other drugs they use. Our society is becoming more and more dependent on drugs whether legal or illegal. My wife is a dental hygienists and she said it is a rarity for a women to come in that isn't on some kind of anti depressant. Boys are being drugged for basically being energetic boys. That is what I was when I was growing up. I couldn't sit still and always had lots of energy(dang wish I still had that). They tried to medicate me and my mom said no way. She advised my teachers to assign me extra work because I was smart and got my work done early and would then bother other students. The ones that listen to her found it worked. The ones that were smarter than any dumb parent would suffer the consequences of me being a pain in their rear. Now this was 35-40 years ago and a lot has changed. Many parents want little Johnny put on some drug because now little Johnny will sit in front of a video game or tv for hours and they don't have to be bothered with little Johnny being an active little boy! Think about it and ask around. You will be amazed at how many kids are being drugged to be "normal" and now they think that they have to take a "pill" to be normal.

My last surgery was to repair a hernia. The surgeon got paid $400. The anesthesiologists got paid $1000. The hospital got a whopping $7000 for me being in there less than 3 hours about 2.5 hours to be exact. Now I don't see the doctors or surgeons as being a problem.

Back to original topic. There are several common characteristics that the mass shooting have but the one that doesn't get much air time and i feel is a major problem is the fact that these kids are on some type of medication be it Ritalin, added all orang of the other drugs they use. Our society is becoming more and more dependent on drugs whether legal or illegal. My wife is a dental hygienists and she said it is a rarity for a women to come in that isn't on some kind of anti depressant. Boys are being drugged for basically being energetic boys. That is what I was when I was growing up. I couldn't sit still and always had lots of energy(dang wish I still had that). They tried to medicate me and my mom said no way. She advised my teachers to assign me extra work because I was smart and got my work done early and would then bother other students. The ones that listen to her found it worked. The ones that were smarter than any dumb parent would suffer the consequences of me being a pain in their rear. Now this was 35-40 years ago and a lot has changed. Many parents want little Johnny put on some drug because now little Johnny will sit in front of a video game or tv for hours and they don't have to be bothered with little Johnny being an active little boy! Think about it and ask around. You will be amazed at how many kids are being drugged to be "normal" and now they think that they have to take a "pill" to be normal.

I am on my phone so I apologize for any grammar and spelling errors!

I agree %100 percent, lazy parents not willing to take responsibility . Its easier to give them a pill once a day than to figure out ways to burn energy off. I have a friend that put his kid on meds for being hyper and now his kid is a zombie at 11 years old. Future burden on society in the making.... nothing worse than little Johnny running around being a brat when your trying to make him another brother/sister.

How does this change the fact that McCaskill wants my guns ? and is willing to bold face lie and talk circles trying to throw everyone off her trail.

As far a s mental health care the problem starts with to many people not wanting to admit and call out people with mental problems ,because its not politically correct and might hurt someones feelings. It begins with local officials and common people being willing to call a spade a spade.

People have gone soft and no one has the balls to stand up and say " this guy is a retard and somebody better due something with him before I secure my safety " like it or not this is what needs to happen. But instead our society turns a blind eye and whispers like a church lady at a bridge game spreading gossip.Then when they snap and kill people everyone looks around and says "I knew he was crazy"

I'm sure this will piss someone off because I didnt use proper grammar and wasnt sophisticated and say mentally ill, but whatever,suck it up and get a pair.

Edit I do understand there are those that are mentally ill and mean no harm to society .

Sorry to pirate your thread Shawn.

I had the priviledge of serving on a non-profit Board of Directors that was comprised of about 30-40 Psychiatrists along with many auxilary personel treating the mentally ill. Most if not all of the patients were covered by medicaid. The coverage was all of North West Tennessee. Most of treatment was initial councilling, followed with medication. Unfortunately,k there is no way to determine whether or not patients continue to take the medication as prescribed. In fact, many of them would wind up in the emergency room as a result of overdose as a result of improper management of their medication. Many sanatariams have been closed due to the high cost and this is the only treatment regime for many of these types of patients. Even the cost of this type of treatment is very expensive. The cost of hospitalization would be far greater. I don't know how all would feel as to a solution but maybe this will help you in your thoughts.

I had the priviledge of serving on a non-profit Board of Directors that was comprised of about 30-40 Psychiatrists along with many auxilary personel treating the mentally ill. Most if not all of the patients were covered by medicaid. The coverage was all of North West Tennessee. Most of treatment was initial councilling, followed with medication. Unfortunately,k there is no way to determine whether or not patients continue to take the medication as prescribed. In fact, many of them would wind up in the emergency room as a result of overdose as a result of improper management of their medication. Many sanatariams have been closed due to the high cost and this is the only treatment regime for many of these types of patients. Even the cost of this type of treatment is very expensive. The cost of hospitalization would be far greater. I don't know how all would feel as to a solution but maybe this will help you in your thoughts.

It is the same way in my town ,the mental department at our hospital has been shut down due to low funds, Mental unstable people are BIG business in my town, I have a very good friend that recently married a girl that owns a couple "homes" and she is very financially stable for only having a high school diploma, I also know several others that operate these type homes . Most people living in them have had drug problems in the past ,mainly meth overdoses and such. I think there are different ratings as far as mental stability, and the more unstable/dependant the patient ,the more the government/state pays for their housing and care. I believe some are compensated by the patients family ,but not many.

Heck, our county sheriff owns a couple of these homes! His brother worked for me several years ago when I was a concrete contractor and the money his family made off of the unstable was unbelievable. At one time his father had some where around 300 "clients" in various homes.

My experiences with doctors are to always be refered to a specialist for test that the family practioner already knows the problem...then the specialist runs more test or takes more images then refers to another specialist that wants more test and images.