Just finished ep 25, slow I know, but I have to say, even after I saw all the negative comments surrounding the finale, I still think it was pulled off very nicely. The buildup of emotion in the final scenes was really intense, and I think sunrise did a great job delivering a satisfying end to a very worthy show.

I don't really care too much about the speculation, I think it ended and this is how it should stay. Sunrise left it open enough for people to make whatever they wanted from the ending, not that it really matters now that everything's over.

All in all, I was pleased that they gave a good ending to a series that's had so many plot twists. It's been a long ride til now, but I can't say that it hasn't been enjoyable.

Last thing from me, but Continued Story is really touching now that I have this association with the music.

I decided to rewatch the first season for the first time and I gotta say they put a lot of foreshadowing in from the very first episode. I kind of thought they were making up a couple things as they went along like the world of CC being a memory based thing where you can commune with the dead but its very evident if you've seen the latter season.

After Clovis's death the emperor in the first season (3rd or 4th episode) says to an underling while standing on the sword of Akasha in the world of CC that "I was just talking to Clovis" and "we need to move up the plans".

If the world of CC really moves and works like that then the emperor knew from almost the very beginning that Lulu was Zero.

Pretty awesome. Although at Clovis's funeral in season 1 CC is watching the emperor and seems like she's seeing Charles for the first time when she says "Lelouch's enemy eh?" or something like that... It seemed a bit out of character and probably would have been more enigmatic or accurate if she had just stayed quiet looking at the tv.

Still I dig the foreshadowing and planning. I love seeing stuff like that. Like in Bleach when you realize Ichigo's father never called Kon by Ichigo's name when he looked like him. Very different series but I always like when you can see a creator is planning ahead.

I hope none of that is spoilers. But its all first season stuff... if someone is reading this thread after the show is over I hope they've at least watched the first few episodes. If not mods feel free to spoiler tag it.

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[spoiler]I love the new C.C., She's cuter than the old one. I'm just surprised that Lelouch hasn't taken... certain liberties with her memory loss...

The new Gurren kicks serious ass. My god this is awesome.

So THERE'S the scene where Kallen kicks Suzaku's ass....

Speaking of Suzaku, I hate this guy so much. He is such an utter tool and douchebag.

Rolo I hated too because of what he did to Shirley, but after he rescued Lelouch and died, I have some respect for him now. Some.

It's about time serious war broke out. But damn. Turning Tokyo into a giant crater. That's some screwed up shit right there. And this is why I love this series so much.

And now Lelouch has no supporters. Damn.
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After seeing all that I've seen, I'm worried about the ending. Sure, I expect Lelouch to pull some other wild-ass plan out of his ass, like he usually does when the odds are against him.

All I ask is that, in the end of the series, he completes what he set out to do and destroys the empire, with thousands of FLEYA warheads if he must, and leaves the empire a wasteland, with people running around on fire and screaming as they die.

If it turns out that he falls over dead in prison with Charles still in power (and I could totally see the Japanese doing that kind of bullshit; They'd probably pass it as some kind of dumbass symbolism about not tackling goals much larger than yourself, or not using violence to make the world better, or some hippie pacifist shit), I'll hate this anime, I swear.

That kind of thing would give me reason to fly over to Sunrise studios and launch my own FLEYA at them.

Given your positions, I think you'll be quite pleased with the ending. But also very surprised I bet... Hopefully it's not a spoiler, but neither your "good" nor your "bad" guess are right. They're not extreme enough

I'm pretty sure I've figured out why Jeremiah is labelled Orange out of everything they could have called him - Orange Plans were the US military plans incase of war with Japan during the interwar years, so to call him Orange is saying he sided with the Japanese over Britannia.

Small pointless trivia, just something I noted from "And I was there" about naval intelligence development during the interwar years up to the massive, unbelievable failure that was Pearl Harbor. The most preventable strike on US soil I've ever heard of.

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I personally doubt that is why zero called him orange. It was probably the first thing that came to their mind and they just went with it. He could have been named anything and the outcome would be the same: revealing an "unknown, dark past."

If your reson was not so obscure I would tend to agree with you, but so few people are aware of the "Orange plans" that I believe they wouldnt bother basing it off that because they would know that almost nobody would understand the significance.

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