Gav Goebbels in Positive Propaganda! Seriously Gav all you do is just do PR releases from the RFL and they can do no wrong. A decent journo should be questioning things and getting different viewpoints, not just one that the RFL and SL clubs spew out and deny things like feeder clubs. The game is at a cross roads and personally I cant see it doing things right due to the selfish interest of clubs and the poor leadership at RFL. Each year we see things change and its getting more and more like Feeder clubs. Workington, Dewsbury and York have just pushed it as far as you can before they are feeder clubs. The Workington or York coach may want to pick his side but if Hull or Widnes tell his club who pay him they want this player in, he will be forced to accept. I can see a number of clubs losing their identity. For me York, Workington and Dewsbury are well down that road. If Fax did this I would stop sponsoring players etc. It wouldn't be my club that I would be proud of.

Robin it is a post made by a haven fan looking for anything to have a dig because it is Town. The local press this week had a quote from the Haven coach saying that he would have the pick of all the players not involved in the Saints first team squad of any particular week. Does that not sound similar to what we are doing? I don't seem to be able to get an answer as to whether if Saints wanted say, Roby returning from injury to have 20 or 30 minutes at Haven if Dave Woods would accept that, which is what Haven4ever is saying our coaches would accept.

To be honest I don't think the Widnes/ Town naming full squad is something that anyone expected but there is nothing to stop any clubs from registering players at any time during the season. A team could have 6 registered now but by the end of the season that could be up to 12 or 15. It doesn't say that they ALL will play for the Championship club and I will be disappointed if Town play more than say 2 or 3 at a time not the 5 that is being shouted every week. At this moment in time from our squad of 24 we have 3 suspended and 4 or 5 recuperating from operations in December and so for our first few games we may be glad of 3 or 4 Widnes players to help out. With a full strength squad I wouldn't expect us using any more dual reg players than we did last season. And we don't expect Brown or any other mainstream Widnes players to be playing at Town.

I remember when .............................

"It is impossible not to feel a twinge of sympathy for Workington Town, the fall guys this season for the Super League's determination to retain it's European dimension, in the shape of Paris. While the French have had every assistance to survive, the importance of having a flagship in a heartland area like West Cumbria has been conveniently forgotten." - Dave Hadfield - Independent 25th August 1996.

Gav Goebbels in Positive Propaganda! Seriously Gav all you do is just do PR releases from the RFL and they can do no wrong. A decent journo should be questioning things and getting different viewpoints, not just one that the RFL and SL clubs spew out and deny things like feeder clubs. The game is at a cross roads and personally I cant see it doing things right due to the selfish interest of clubs and the poor leadership at RFL. Each year we see things change and its getting more and more like Feeder clubs. Workington, Dewsbury and York have just pushed it as far as you can before they are feeder clubs. The Workington or York coach may want to pick his side but if Hull or Widnes tell his club who pay him they want this player in, he will be forced to accept. I can see a number of clubs losing their identity. For me York, Workington and Dewsbury are well down that road. If Fax did this I would stop sponsoring players etc. It wouldn't be my club that I would be proud of.

LRL, Workington's coaches are Gary Charlton, son of Paul Charlton, and Martin Oglanby, a former Town player when we won the Second Division Premiership. Both are no nonsense lads who are nobody's fools. I know for a fact that neither would want to be the Town coach if what you say is correct. If the Widnes club expect what you suggest then I would wager the link up will not last very long because it isn't going to happen. Town will use Widnes players to fill gaps due to injuries or suspensions. End of.

I remember when .............................

"It is impossible not to feel a twinge of sympathy for Workington Town, the fall guys this season for the Super League's determination to retain it's European dimension, in the shape of Paris. While the French have had every assistance to survive, the importance of having a flagship in a heartland area like West Cumbria has been conveniently forgotten." - Dave Hadfield - Independent 25th August 1996.

LRL, Workington's coaches are Gary Charlton, son of Paul Charlton, and Martin Oglanby, a former Town player when we won the Second Division Premiership. Both are no nonsense lads who are nobody's fools. I know for a fact that neither would want to be the Town coach if what you say is correct. If the Widnes club expect what you suggest then I would wager the link up will not last very long because it isn't going to happen. Town will use Widnes players to fill gaps due to injuries or suspensions. End of.

Keith - if you think that Widnes are just there to do you favours and expect nothing in return, I think you may be surprised. This is a partnership not a donation. They do you a favour, they expect you to do them a favour in return.

LRL, Workington's coaches are Gary Charlton, son of Paul Charlton, and Martin Oglanby, a former Town player when we won the Second Division Premiership. Both are no nonsense lads who are nobody's fools. I know for a fact that neither would want to be the Town coach if what you say is correct. If the Widnes club expect what you suggest then I would wager the link up will not last very long because it isn't going to happen. Town will use Widnes players to fill gaps due to injuries or suspensions. End of.

and what if you were in danger of relegation. or are your coaches unsackable

Someone will be because Red Hall wont be changing their mind any time soon

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Keith - if you think that Widnes are just there to do you favours and expect nothing in return, I think you may be surprised. This is a partnership not a donation. They do you a favour, they expect you to do them a favour in return.

Griff, people are justing looking for "what ifs" and spouting as if these are definite things that are going to happen. Nobody at Town expects to see Kevin Brown or any of several other of Widnes' top players playing for Town. That doesn't stop people asking but "what if". I am not naive enough to not accept that there will be little deals done behind the scenes at ALL the clubs where these links have been formed and I was not in favour of the link ups but they have happened and my club is trying to make the best of it. Out of 30 players in a SL first team squad 20 will be selected in the first team for that week. Of the other 10 some may be injured or suspended or an overseas player or 2 or 3 playing as over age players in the Under 19's, so what sort of selection does that leave us with out of the 30 man squad. Lets just wait and see how it pans out.

I remember when .............................

"It is impossible not to feel a twinge of sympathy for Workington Town, the fall guys this season for the Super League's determination to retain it's European dimension, in the shape of Paris. While the French have had every assistance to survive, the importance of having a flagship in a heartland area like West Cumbria has been conveniently forgotten." - Dave Hadfield - Independent 25th August 1996.

and what if you were in danger of relegation. or are your coaches unsackable

Meaning what? If we were in danger of relegation we would ask Dennis Betts to let us have his top 5 players whilst he played 5 juniors against Saints or Wigan or Leeds!!!! Yes, I'm being sarcastic but sadly that is what some people are imagining we would be doing.

I remember when .............................

"It is impossible not to feel a twinge of sympathy for Workington Town, the fall guys this season for the Super League's determination to retain it's European dimension, in the shape of Paris. While the French have had every assistance to survive, the importance of having a flagship in a heartland area like West Cumbria has been conveniently forgotten." - Dave Hadfield - Independent 25th August 1996.

Meaning what? If we were in danger of relegation we would ask Dennis Betts to let us have his top 5 players whilst he played 5 juniors against Saints or Wigan or Leeds!!!! Yes, I'm being sarcastic but sadly that is what some people are imagining we would be doing.

Well yes if Widnes had nothing to play for.

And seems I'm behind the times with others already going down the Widnes/Workington route: York, Dewsbury, Whitehaven.

Griff, people are justing looking for "what ifs" and spouting as if these are definite things that are going to happen. Nobody at Town expects to see Kevin Brown or any of several other of Widnes' top players playing for Town. That doesn't stop people asking but "what if". I am not naive enough to not accept that there will be little deals done behind the scenes at ALL the clubs where these links have been formed and I was not in favour of the link ups but they have happened and my club is trying to make the best of it. Out of 30 players in a SL first team squad 20 will be selected in the first team for that week. Of the other 10 some may be injured or suspended or an overseas player or 2 or 3 playing as over age players in the Under 19's, so what sort of selection does that leave us with out of the 30 man squad. Lets just wait and see how it pans out.

I'm not looking for "what ifs" at all. I'm not expecting any but fringe players to be sent to Workington. For me it's not a problem - I don't think it works. I'm more than happy for clubs to enter into these deals.

Nevertheless, to say that only Gary Charlton and Martin Oglanby have a say in how these loans go is something I find hard to believe. It would make Workington not just an equal partner but the senior partner.

I'm not looking for "what ifs" at all. I'm not expecting any but fringe players to be sent to Workington. For me it's not a problem - I don't think it works. I'm more than happy for clubs to enter into these deals.

Nevertheless, to say that only Gary Charlton and Martin Oglanby have a say in how these loans go is something I find hard to believe. It would make Workington not just an equal partner but the senior partner.

There shouldn't be a senior or junior partner but which club does it affect the most? Which coach's head is on the block depending on results? Of course our coaches are going to have most say on who plays in our team. That doesn't necessarily mean to say that Dennis Betts has no say but the final say should and I have no doubt will be down to the Town coaches.

I remember when .............................

"It is impossible not to feel a twinge of sympathy for Workington Town, the fall guys this season for the Super League's determination to retain it's European dimension, in the shape of Paris. While the French have had every assistance to survive, the importance of having a flagship in a heartland area like West Cumbria has been conveniently forgotten." - Dave Hadfield - Independent 25th August 1996.

There shouldn't be a senior or junior partner but which club does it affect the most? Which coach's head is on the block depending on results? Of course our coaches are going to have most say on who plays in our team. That doesn't necessarily mean to say that Dennis Betts has no say but the final say should and I have no doubt will be down to the Town coaches.