I think this entire topic was flawed from the get go. The topic seems to suggest that guys act according to the interests of girls to try to get their attention--I for one do not act in any way to attract a girl. It's like saying guys are somehow Under girls and need to win their favor.

It goes down to just Being Natural. What you do when you're not trying to impress anyone, or hurt anyone. That's the only way to know if a girl is really into you or not. Eh, maybe acting just tires me.

I'm all for the nice guys. it's true they don't stand out as much and they're not always as interesting as the alternative, but why would I want some jerk hanging around and controlling my life, even if he is hot?

The topic seems to suggest that guys act according to the interests of girls to try to get their attention

A lot of boys do this, because it's an orthodox belief that boys have to "get" girls; girls aren't usually expected to try to impress and win the affection of men, however men are typically supposed to "man up" and "prove themselves noble". Likewise, girls are "supposed" to be as "pretty and feminine" as possible to attract you guys in the first place. What I'm trying to say is it isn't demeaning at all for a boy to try and achieve the affection of a female, it's just natural. Boys have different ways of trying, though, which is why some rely on personality (ie the "nice guys") and others (ie stereotypical jerks) on looks and charisma.
Humans naturally do try to conform- at least to some extent- to impress others anyways.

Be yourself, if you have to act and try to be nice or mean you're being fake... and it shows. So the answer... no... if you have to compete with other guys (or a type of guy) to "win" a woman, she's likely not worth being with and you've lost before you've even begun.

Why be nice, when you attract more people to you by being a confident jerk? I'm more at peace with myself when I'm not afraid to share an opinion, or feel ostrasized by defending myself. Or have to relate to people I don't want to.

That was pretty hilarious, made my day. Though it seemed slightly insulting to my intelligence as a women, not that I was gonna take it seriously but common guys give us some credit. We aren't all out to land douches even as one night stands.

The whole point is to have fun when you go out together. Not have a boring dinner date and a romantic walk on the beach. It should be like this: a massive food fight in the restaurant until you'll kicked out followed skinny dipping at the beach.

Anyhow this whole nice guy thing is simply over reaction by the nice guy. He tries so hard to be a jerk that he actually hurts the girl he crushes on.

Yeah, so before you guys think all women like being treated like trash. Look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself should I really treat her like trash and burn my bridges in the future? The next thing you know, she could be a manager at your future job. Making you screwed, buddy.

Look at this way. You can't go wrong treating women like the way you want to be treated.

If you have a crush her, get it out of the way. That means don't focus your life on her because you are putting her on a pedestal which leads to worship. What you need to be doing is improving your life instead of worrying about calling her or not.

That's why nice guys finish last because nice guys don't finish their lives first before they go chasing girls and what not.

How can you play with girls if you don't have nice toys to play with in the first place? A homeless bum maybe successful with women but would she stay with him and raise kids with a bum? If the answer is yes, than she may have lower standards and that's her choice, not yours Mr. Nice Guy. Every woman has a price, the question, whether you can afford her price or not.

Anyhow, the Butterfinger and milk I have eaten is making me satisfied. I am going to end this post now before my nice guy emotions take over. Thank you for your time.

"it's pretty pathetic that people do not get the message﻿ of the song. it's saying that some girls only want to date bad guys because they look cool. and the nice guys see that, and would do anything for that one girl because they really care (unlike bad guys). but afterwards, the girls see that being treated like trash just because the bad boys seem cool isn't worth it. that's why ryan and kevin looked sad, because they knew that being a bad guy isn't cool if you don't treat your girl right."

Looks are one thing, screw looking cool/badass really ..... I think it's more about how you act towards someone else and how they react. o.O

"it's pretty pathetic that people do not get the message﻿ of the song. it's saying that some girls only want to date bad guys because they look cool. and the nice guys see that, and would do anything for that one girl because they really care (unlike bad guys). but afterwards, the girls see that being treated like trash just because the bad boys seem cool isn't worth it. that's why ryan and kevin looked sad, because they knew that being a bad guy isn't cool if you don't treat your girl right."

Ah, thanks for quoting this. I will now fix it.

"People want simple names to call complicated things. One shouldn't judge like that and tag them as pathetic. Girls don't care if he is a bad or good guy as long as he makes her feel. The nice guys see this, and are so desperate to get that one girl's affection that they stop caring about themselves because they focus all their time and attention on her putting her on pedestal (unlike bad guys). But after wards, the girls see that being treated like trash just because the bad boys are dirt broke isn't worth it. That's why Ryan and Kevin looked sad, because they knew that being a rich guy let's them treat your girl right."

KleinerSkollexxxwrote:
A lot of boys do this, because it's an orthodox belief that boys have to "get" girls; girls aren't usually expected to try to impress and win the affection of men, however men are typically supposed to "man up" and "prove themselves noble". Likewise, girls are "supposed" to be as "pretty and feminine" as possible to attract you guys in the first place. What I'm trying to say is it isn't demeaning at all for a boy to try and achieve the affection of a female, it's just natural. Boys have different ways of trying, though, which is why some rely on personality (ie the "nice guys") and others (ie stereotypical jerks) on looks and charisma.
Humans naturally do try to conform- at least to some extent- to impress others anyways.

No, it's not natural at all. It depends entirely on societal pressures starting from a young age. You grew up expected to do some things, including what to do with the other gender, because that's how society wants you to behave. Mass media, friends, classmates, radio, T.V. shows all constantly bombard you with these ideas on what to do and how to do it. Amidst all this, you must constantly be vigilant about what ideas you take in because it may very well destroy you, or turn you into a mindless zombie who only thinks about video games and jokes and ignores important things like helping to end world poverty and hunger. Not saying it's bad to think about video games and jokes, just saying it's bad to let things like that cloud your mind.