He is what he is. An elite defender who isn't the best defensive player in the league.

And Serge Ibaka or Tyson Chandler are?! Don't know which league you're talking about, but it's certainly not the NBA in 2013.

Obviously I'm talking about the league's criteria for DPOY, otherwise Ibaka wouldn't be in the discussion. Why do you keep refusing to understand what I'm actually saying?

And Tyson Chandler IS the best defensive big in league by ANY criteria along with KG while Dwight is struggling or injured. Ibaka is the best shot blocker.

I guess I'm being obtuse. It's not on purpose.

I don't see how Tyson Chandler is the best defensive big in the league. He may have been decent in the past two years, but has completely fallen off the face of the planet this year (and is currently "anchoring" a NYK team that's quite horrible defensively). I thought he was a bad choice for DPOY, and I think he's only gotten worse since.

He is what he is. An elite defender who isn't the best defensive player in the league.

And Serge Ibaka or Tyson Chandler are?! Don't know which league you're talking about, but it's certainly not the NBA in 2013.

Obviously I'm talking about the league's criteria for DPOY, otherwise Ibaka wouldn't be in the discussion. Why do you keep refusing to understand what I'm actually saying?

And Tyson Chandler IS the best defensive big in league by ANY criteria along with KG while Dwight is struggling or injured. Ibaka is the best shot blocker.

I guess I'm being obtuse. It's not on purpose.

I don't see how Tyson Chandler is the best defensive big in the league. He may have been decent in the past two years, but has completely fallen off the face of the planet this year (and is currently "anchoring" a NYK team that's quite horrible defensively). I thought he was a bad choice for DPOY, and I think he's only gotten worse since.

I'll agree to disagree. You can't discount what he's working with. Felton, Smith, Anthony, two PGs over 35, one of which is 39, Steve Novak, and now Amare. He's anchoring the oldest team ever.

He is what he is. An elite defender who isn't the best defensive player in the league.

And Serge Ibaka or Tyson Chandler are?! Don't know which league you're talking about, but it's certainly not the NBA in 2013.

Obviously I'm talking about the league's criteria for DPOY, otherwise Ibaka wouldn't be in the discussion. Why do you keep refusing to understand what I'm actually saying?

And Tyson Chandler IS the best defensive big in league by ANY criteria along with KG while Dwight is struggling or injured. Ibaka is the best shot blocker.

I guess I'm being obtuse. It's not on purpose.

I don't see how Tyson Chandler is the best defensive big in the league. He may have been decent in the past two years, but has completely fallen off the face of the planet this year (and is currently "anchoring" a NYK team that's quite horrible defensively). I thought he was a bad choice for DPOY, and I think he's only gotten worse since.

I'll agree to disagree. You can't discount what he's working with. Felton, Smith, Anthony, two PGs over 35, one of which is 39, Steve Novak, and now Amare. He's anchoring the oldest team ever.

It certainly is a consideration, but the Celtics who had to start Jason Collins next to Jason Terry, Paul Pierce and Garnett in the starting lineup (who are just as old), are head and shoulders above this season. It just doesn't add up.

He is what he is. An elite defender who isn't the best defensive player in the league.

And Serge Ibaka or Tyson Chandler are?! Don't know which league you're talking about, but it's certainly not the NBA in 2013.

Obviously I'm talking about the league's criteria for DPOY, otherwise Ibaka wouldn't be in the discussion. Why do you keep refusing to understand what I'm actually saying?

And Tyson Chandler IS the best defensive big in league by ANY criteria along with KG while Dwight is struggling or injured. Ibaka is the best shot blocker.

I guess I'm being obtuse. It's not on purpose.

I don't see how Tyson Chandler is the best defensive big in the league. He may have been decent in the past two years, but has completely fallen off the face of the planet this year (and is currently "anchoring" a NYK team that's quite horrible defensively). I thought he was a bad choice for DPOY, and I think he's only gotten worse since.

I'll agree to disagree. You can't discount what he's working with. Felton, Smith, Anthony, two PGs over 35, one of which is 39, Steve Novak, and now Amare. He's anchoring the oldest team ever.

It certainly is a consideration, but the Celtics who had to start Jason Collins next to Jason Terry, Paul Pierce and Garnett in the starting lineup (who are just as old), are head and shoulders above this season. It just doesn't add up.

Yeah if you ignore the fact that Pierce, Rondo, Bradley, Lee, and KG are all amazing defenders while Green, Bass, Collins, and Sully (recently) aren't negative.

The Knicks only have Brewer outside of Chandler. And I'm not sure I understand your point. Both teams are middle of the pack in FG% allowed and before Bradley came back the Celtics DID look extremely old defensively.