Trump Authorizes Tariffs

WASHINGTON — President Trump defied opposition from his own party and protests from overseas on Thursday as he signed orders imposing stiff and sweeping new tariffs on imported steel and aluminum. But he sought to soften the impact on America’s closest allies with a more flexible plan than originally envisioned.

These tariffs really show Trump's great ability to negotiate trade deals in US favor

We haven't even gotten to the negotiating trade deals part. This is the "shape of the table" phase of business negotiation, the part that happens before sitting down to talk serious.

Oligarchy delenda est

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SANTIAGO (Reuters) - Mexico’s Economy Minister Ildefonso Guajardo said on Thursday he would not allow the United States to use planned tariffs on steel and aluminum imports to pressure the country in ongoing NAFTA talks.

U.S. President Donald Trump plans to offer Canada and Mexico a 30-day exemption from the planned tariffs, which could be extended based on progress in NAFTA talks, a White House official said on Wednesday night. [nL5N1QP3ZG]

“This has nothing to do with the [NAFTA] negotiations,” Guajardo told Reuters on the sidelines of the signing ceremony for an Asia-Pacific trade agreement in Santiago. “Under no circumstance will we be subject to any type of pressure.”

Guajardo said Mexico was willing to spend “as much time as necessary” to resolve NAFTA negotiations successfully.

“Mexico will not be leaving the treaty,” Guajardo said. “NAFTA exists between three countries. The others are deciding whether they stay or leave, not Mexico.”

The United States could negotiate bilateral trade deals to replace the three way North American Free Trade Agreement if needed, U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer said on Monday, adding that time was running "very short."

Lighthizer said all parties needed to move more quickly to conclude the NAFTA renegotiation. He was speaking at the close of a seventh round of talks in Mexico City and said just six chapters of the agreement had been concluded so far

By strengthening Canadian and Mexican steel and aluminum producers at the expensive of other countries? Including America?

We ask you to be so good as to pass a law requiring the closing of all windows, dormers, skylights, inside and outside shutters, curtains, casements, bull's-eyes, deadlights, and blinds — in short, all openings, holes, chinks, and fissures through which the light of the sun is wont to enter houses, to the detriment of the fair industries with which, we are proud to say, we have endowed the country, a country that cannot, without betraying ingratitude, abandon us today to so unequal a combat.

I have already discovered in these trade threads zero allegiance to people here in the US to the point of factory closing, lost jobs and growing the wealth of the Chinese Communist party is not a problem for the free traders here. Another aspect that has not been touched on is why is it so important to people here outside the billionaire elites to replace products from American producers from countries that have a record of exporting contaminated products?

We have the illusion of free markets and competition. Just go to any supermarket chain and lookup who really owns all these brands. It is down to a handful of monopolies and what did they do when they gobbled the competition, shut them down and are importing from factories in China and other countries.

China is a country notorious for exporting contaminated products so I would be quite happy if we end up in a total trade war with China even if cuts off all Chinese trade of their garbage. I would celebrate it. We go back to American producers, new companies open here, creates jobs and these no good piece of $#@! globalists take a hit.

Too many recalls due to contamination. Sick and tired of trying to buy food that is not from China and having to go to multiple Supermarkets to finish my shopping. Same thing with linens, pillows and clothes. The chemical smells are so bad and you can't get the chemical odors out. Check labels, yep China as usual. Why stop at China, noticed the juice boxes for kids now come from the Ukraine not too far from Chernobyl.

As a consumer I am not seeing the benefits of this globalism being promoted here.

If it goes like in the past, we may have to see what the next administration does with its awesome trump-like power. My guess is Oprah and Pocohantas.

Regardless, it's foolish to applaud EO's of any kind, even and especially if your guy manages to figure out how to be benevolent leader for life.

We ask you to be so good as to pass a law requiring the closing of all windows, dormers, skylights, inside and outside shutters, curtains, casements, bull's-eyes, deadlights, and blinds — in short, all openings, holes, chinks, and fissures through which the light of the sun is wont to enter houses, to the detriment of the fair industries with which, we are proud to say, we have endowed the country, a country that cannot, without betraying ingratitude, abandon us today to so unequal a combat.

Kind of funny how the left is attacking Trump over the tariffs. It makes sense for the establishment media, but they are getting a lot of the sheep to bleat about it too.

Maybe Trump can do something to help the Unions and then we can watch the left attack Unions. Left media: "Unions raise prices and create unemployment! Trump is insane for supporting Unions!"

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I have already discovered in these trade threads zero allegiance to people here in the US to the point of factory closing, lost jobs and growing the wealth of the Chinese Communist party is not a problem for the free traders here.

And yet these same people who demonstrate beyond any reasonable doubt that they have no loyalty whatsoever to their country or countrymen, expect us to take their advice, and expect us to believe they are advising us in our own best interest.

That faction has officially jumped the shark and become a complete and total farce.

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“If you love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” - Samuel Adams

And yet these same people who demonstrate beyond any reasonable doubt that they have no loyalty whatsoever to their country or countrymen, expect us to take their advice, and expect us to believe they are advising us in our own best interest.

That faction has officially jumped the shark and become a complete and total farce.

Some of them openly claim that China is a better place than America, they are fellow travelers who secretly want to destroy America.

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If it goes like in the past, we may have to see what the next administration does with its awesome trump-like power. My guess is Oprah and Pocohantas.

Regardless, it's foolish to applaud EO's of any kind, even and especially if your guy manages to figure out how to be benevolent leader for life.

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And yet these same people who demonstrate beyond any reasonable doubt that they have no loyalty whatsoever to their country or countrymen, expect us to take their advice, and expect us to believe they are advising us in our own best interest.

That faction has officially jumped the shark and become a complete and total farce.

The same can be said for Club for Growth and Charles Koch that for all intents and purposes are campaigning on behalf and to the benefit of the China's Communist Party over our countrymen.

I thought that might explain some of this here considering who they fund but as @Swordsmyth describes it goes blatantly beyond that with some here or just more honest about it.

Trump signed a proclamation, not an executive order. According to Wiki, a proclamation carries no legal weight. Only Congress can put legal weight behind a proclamation. So, the question then becomes whether Trump's proclamation of tariffs means anything at all??? Or is it only a head fake/cover story...

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Trump signed a proclamation, not an executive order. According to Wiki, a proclamation carries no legal weight. Only Congress can put legal weight behind a proclamation. So, the question then becomes whether Trump's proclamation of tariffs means anything at all??? Or is it only a head fake/cover story...

maybe he's testing the waters. If other countries freak out and lower their tariffs, then there'd be no reason to raise ours, and the plan worked. And if they double-down and raise their tariffs, then they would have raised them anyway if a trade war erupted, so as my grandfather used to say, f'k 'em.

Trump signed a proclamation, not an executive order. According to Wiki, a proclamation carries no legal weight. Only Congress can put legal weight behind a proclamation. So, the question then becomes whether Trump's proclamation of tariffs means anything at all??? Or is it only a head fake/cover story...

I believe there is already a law giving the President the authority to impose tariffs.

Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

Robert Heinlein

Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

Groucho Marx

I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

Linus, from the Peanuts comic

You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

Alexis de Torqueville

Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

Instead of taking media reports and net posts at face value, reading into the proclamation itself has some interesting points. The proclamation doesn't take effect until March 23, which (not so) coincidentally is the same day that China rolls out the petroyuan AND the same day the current CR suspending the debt ceiling expires. They're clearly timing all of these things together. End of PetroDollar on 3-22 (haha get it? 322? Skull and Bones? Ah those funny Bonesman...)

I think my other posts about this tariff stuff (and other examples) are correct. THESE TYPES OF STORIES ARE MERELY COVER STORIES FOR THE TANKING OF THE DOLLAR/REVALUATION THAT WILL OCCUR ON 3-22 WHEN CHINA LAUNCHES THE PETROYUAN.

eta: smack in the middle of March Madness when media cycles are clogged and many people are distracted, too.

I believe there is already a law giving the President the authority to impose tariffs.

Yes that is true but the question is what is the prescribed method for enacting tariffs according to that legislation? Is a simple proclamation enough? Since a proclamation carries no legal weight itself, why use that instead of an executive order that actually carries legal force to direct executive departments (such as Treasury) to enact policy changes?

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"Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

The entire internet is the domain of paid shills and bots. If you don't know this by now....

Israel, under control of the Crown and, ultimately, the Vatican, own the USA. If you don't know this by now....

Talk to people about liberty. You won't find it on websites, you won't find it in politicians.

I have already discovered in these trade threads zero allegiance to people here in the US to the point of factory closing, lost jobs and growing the wealth of the Chinese Communist party is not a problem for the free traders here.

As a consumer I am not seeing the benefits of this globalism being promoted here.

I don't understand why I have to pay higher taxes to subsidize uneducated people who haven't updated their skills for 21st Century. It's disgusting. I don't feel bad at all for factory workers. I feel bad for me that you want me to subsidize their poor life decisions. I will never vote for a politician who supports broad tariffs like this.