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This country is 90% of my companies bad debts and also threatens to just steal our equipment if we complain. Like they have done with other companies.

I hope they've learned not to do business with left-wing political loonies. Malaysia has.

Originally Posted by funk de fino

I guess CE is too busy with the Syria CT stuf to care about the people of Venezuela nowadays.

She's just going to say imperialists, the CIA and Jews took all the toilet paper.

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C'mon Virus, you know better; no strawman there. It's just the thread's title is misleading as it implies just a one-time event and Ben probably knows about Venezuela as little as you and your thread partners do.

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C'mon Virus, you know better; no strawman there. It's just the thread's title is misleading as it implies just a one-time event and Ben probably knows about Venezuela as little as you and your thread partners do.

So what information do you have to add?

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It's just the thread's title is misleading as it implies just a one-time event and Ben probably knows about Venezuela as little as you and your thread partners do.

I guess that makes you the big expert on being led by corrupt political loonies. Congratulations.

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Originally Posted by Virus

I guess that makes you the big expert on being led by corrupt political loonies. Congratulations, you win a million Argentine pesos. Which isn't worth anything.

Wow! If you edited your message to that non sequitur, what a bile-bursting piece of it must have been the original one. Chávez would have found you to be a kindred soul. Why don't you stick to what you know instead of enacting some sort of Cold War residual debate? For instance, you may learn that Columbia is the United States and not Colombia both in English and Spanish before posting messages like your #40. Stick to the topic also and avoid trying to derail your own thread. If you wanted the topic to be trash-talk involving Venezuela you should have explicitly state that in the opening post instead of start piling other topics -like inflation- within the thread.

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Wow! If you edited your message to that non sequitur, what a bile-bursting piece of it must have been the original one. Chávez would have found you to be a kindred soul. Why don't you stick to what you know instead of enacting some sort of Cold War residual debate? For instance, you may learn that Columbia is the United States and not Colombia both in English and Spanish before posting messages like your #40. Stick to the topic also and avoid trying to derail your own thread. If you wanted the topic to be trash-talk involving Venezuela you should have explicitly state that in the opening post instead of start piling other topics -like inflation- within the thread.

Did you have any information on the rolling blackouts, their causes, effects, or contributing factors?

So far all you've done is assert that other posters are wrong. Could you provide the correct information then?

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and what did you add to the debate? yeah thats right, absolutely nothing. nada.

Did you have any information? I didn't claim to. I didn't claim without evidence that other posters were wrong or claim to have better knowledge on the situation.

I'm trying to find out information. If you want to attack me for it that's fine, but it makes you look like an ideologue ready to dismiss any criticism.

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Did you have any information? I didn't claim to. I didn't claim without evidence that other posters were wrong or claim to have better knowledge on the situation.

I'm trying to find out information. If you want to attack me for it that's fine, but it makes you look like an ideologue ready to dismiss any criticism.

well all we know is that one side claims its incompetence and corruption and the other side claims its a conspiracy.
and considering history, both claims seem plausible.
you are not trying to find out information, you merely attacked another poster for atacking another poster, and i attack you for it. get over it and try to really find information instead of pretending to.

well all we know is that one side claims its incompetence and corruption and the other side claims its a conspiracy.
and considering history, both claims seem plausible.
you are not trying to find out information, you merely attacked another poster for atacking another poster, and i attack you for it. get over it and try to really find information instead of pretending to.

No, I want actual information. A poster claimed to be a source of that better information yet didn't provide it. I was working under the assumption that their distaste for the other poster was simply over riding their posts so that they simply forgot to put the information in. I was therefor trying to be deliberately polite. I'm trying to find real information.

That you find that to be an attack is a very strong indication that you're letting other factors over ride the facts. But then again, you don't seem to care about facts in the first place.

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Originally Posted by tyr_13

Did you have any information on the rolling blackouts, their causes, effects, or contributing factors?

So far all you've done is assert that other posters are wrong. Could you provide the correct information then?

In a nutshell, the power industry has been almost completely nationalized and the lack of investment and maintenance have render some 40% of the installed power capacity unavailable. The country is importing power from Colombia (a few years ago, the were exporting instead) but they have to agree levels and pay for it in advance -they hadn't bought any foreign power for three days when the last massive blackout happened-. This last massive blackout was different than those of 2010. Then, a long lasting drought got Guri dam -which is the third largest hydroelectric power station in the World, only smaller than Chinese Three Gorges and Brazilian/Paraguayan Itaipú- with alarming low levels of water. Today the dam is some 25 metres above that and operating safely (but 8 or 9 of its 20 turbines are being repaired, when 2 or 3 is normal). The current blackouts relate mainly to highest voltage transmission lines, the kind of fail that can be caused by an iron chain thrown over the lines (highly improbable) or the perennial lack of maintenance and corrupt contractual practices (highly probable). I imagine that governmental ukases decreeing that such and such power must be available here and there turn the system more prone to cascading failures, but of this I have no evidence other than the involved people having the physique du rôle.

About the specific subjects of this thread there's a lot of info available on the web, surely even in English, as some conferences have been held to analyse this problem since September 3rd.

My objection related to ignorance is not about the ignorance of the Venezuelan power system -every meaning- as nobody has to be an specialist on everything after all, but about the puerile Cold War like approach to politics from moral hemiplegics who cast Venezuelan government as socialist and socialism as evil the same way that 25 years ago they could have cast German Democratic Republic as democratic and democracy as evil in an equally dumb fashion.

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No, I want actual information. A poster claimed to be a source of that better information yet didn't provide it. I was working under the assumption that their distaste for the other poster was simply over riding their posts so that they simply forgot to put the information in. I was therefor trying to be deliberately polite. I'm trying to find real information.

That you find that to be an attack is a very strong indication that you're letting other factors over ride the facts. But then again, you don't seem to care about facts in the first place.

In a nutshell, the power industry has been almost completely nationalized and the lack of investment and maintenance have render some 40% of the installed power capacity unavailable. The country is importing power from Colombia (a few years ago, the were exporting instead) but they have to agree levels and pay for it in advance -they hadn't bought any foreign power for three days when the last massive blackout happened-. This last massive blackout was different than those of 2010. Then, a long lasting drought got Guri dam -which is the third largest hydroelectric power station in the World, only smaller than Chinese Three Gorges and Brazilian/Paraguayan Itaipú- with alarming low levels of water. Today the dam is some 25 metres above that and operating safely (but 8 or 9 of its 20 turbines are being repaired, when 2 or 3 is normal). The current blackouts relate mainly to highest voltage transmission lines, the kind of fail that can be caused by an iron chain thrown over the lines (highly improbable) or the perennial lack of maintenance and corrupt contractual practices (highly probable). I imagine that governmental ukases decreeing that such and such power must be available here and there turn the system more prone to cascading failures, but of this I have no evidence other than the involved people having the physique du rôle.

About the specific subjects of this thread there's a lot of info available on the web, surely even in English, as some conferences have been held to analyse this problem since September 3rd.

That seems to be good information and matches what I've found on the subject. Thank you.

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My objection related to ignorance is not about the ignorance of the Venezuelan power system -every meaning- as nobody has to be an specialist on everything after all, but about the puerile Cold War like approach to politics from moral hemiplegics who cast Venezuelan government as socialist and socialism as evil the same way that 25 years ago they could have cast German Democratic Republic as democratic and democracy as evil in an equally dumb fashion.

I had the feeling that the heated exchange had little to do with the power outages themselves, but that you also had good information on those as well. These exchanges get so heated at times that the noise to information ratio goes pear shaped.

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I already told you I didn't have facts, not any that haven't already been presented in the thread anyway. The evidence that you don't care for them is that not only do you dismiss those facts that aren't convenient for your ideological outlook, but you view asking for information surrounding those facts as an attack.

I know you're used to Virus, but I'm not him.

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Mumpsimus: a stubborn person who insists on making an error in spite of being shown that it is wrong

I already told you I didn't have facts, not any that haven't already been presented in the thread anyway. The evidence that you don't care for them is that not only do you dismiss those facts that aren't convenient for your ideological outlook, but you view asking for information surrounding those facts as an attack.

I know you're used to Virus, but I'm not him.

so in other words you do not have any evidence that i do not care for facts.
why make up such nonsense claims then?

so in other words you do not have any evidence that i do not care for facts.
why make up such nonsense claims then?

As I said, you dismiss that which is incontinent for you. This is just another example.

This is not productive in the least. If you have nothing to add on the topic then I have nothing more to add off the topic, which I shouldn't have addressed anyway.

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Mumpsimus: a stubborn person who insists on making an error in spite of being shown that it is wrong

well all we know is that one side claims its incompetence and corruption and the other side claims its a conspiracy.
and considering history, both claims seem plausible.
you are not trying to find out information, you merely attacked another poster for atacking another poster, and i attack you for it. get over it and try to really find information instead of pretending to.

Are you back to being a conspiracy theorist? I thought you grew up?

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aleCcowan, can you explain what you mean by this sentence?

Other than that, thanks for your explaining some of the issues with the Venezuelan power grid.

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I think he's just riffing on a spelling error. The country is "Colombia", with an "o". Various US cities, a space shuttle, and a river are "Columbia", with a "u".

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