I guess there is no description for an animal free diet that is not linked to animal rights sentiments. Sometimes I run into people that maintain a vegan diet, but won't subscribe to veganism as a way of life. Perhaps we need a term for animal free diets, independent of the vegan lifestyle (I heard the term 'true vegetarian' tossed around a couple of time, but maybe its not a good name). Veganism encompasses much more than what we eat.

Anyhoo, I did end up ordering this shirt, and also the one with the Venom spoof. And now I'm dreaming up which other metal icons can be converted into vegan propaganda.

Speaking on old school jean jackets, anyone knows where I can get good animal rights patches? Like maybe the ALF masked person with dog logo, or meat is murder type slogans?

"Ghastly I slake
Bestial appetites to sate
As flesh and steel I mate
To fill the lower species' plate..."
- Carcass, 1991

tempehmomma wrote:I think you should re-word this last sentence with don't instead of won't. Won't implies someone should, which sounds judgmental IMO.

I am judgmental. I'm trying to be somewhat diplomatic about it, but to be perfectly honest I do consider a lifestyle that exploits animals morally wrong.

When I say people should not be raping and killing children, I'm still being judgmental. But nobody objects because its a common judgment. But when I object to animal being butchered when it isn't necessary, I'm judging against the grain and people get defensive. I'm just telling it like it is.

"Ghastly I slake
Bestial appetites to sate
As flesh and steel I mate
To fill the lower species' plate..."
- Carcass, 1991

tempehmomma wrote:I think you should re-word this last sentence with don't instead of won't. Won't implies someone should, which sounds judgmental IMO.

I am judgmental. I'm trying to be somewhat diplomatic about it, but to be perfectly honest I do consider a lifestyle that exploits animals morally wrong.

When I say people should not be raping and killing children, I'm still being judgmental. But nobody objects because its a common judgment. But when I object to animal being butchered when it isn't necessary, I'm judging against the grain and people get defensive. I'm just telling it like it is.

I respect your opinion because of your honesty. I wish more ethical vegans were as straightforward.

Wow, Saxon!
Are they still going?
I heard some Gamma Ray for the first time a few months back, sounds like a german Iron Maiden. My friend was getting some tattoo work done and we were listening to the music and really enjoying it (we're both big Maiden fans) and guessed Helloween but no, Gamma Ray.
I should try to get some actually. Anyone got recommendations of a good starter album?