Best thing I have found to allure are the green trolls in Wrong. They aren't TOO shabby.

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^this

Dyrad allure is already OP and underused, IMO.

You need what, 75 skillpoints for dyrad allure, and can allure Wrong cave trolls (good hp and resists), and can't be dispelled, doesn't time out until you logout. Tamers use more skillpoints and time for that.

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You need what, 75 skillpoints for dyrad allure, and can allure Wrong cave trolls (good hp and resists), and can't be dispelled, doesn't time out until you logout. Tamers use more skillpoints and time for that.

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yeah but w/ wrong you got to at least walk the guy out. takes a lil skill .

used to run the rat mage @ sanctuary out through tunnel and use him for fun, hehe. but aside from the arctic ogre lords, meh.

wonder if a dispelled colossus would still do more DPS w/ armor ignore than a charmed Cove 4.

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You need what, 75 skillpoints for dyrad allure, and can allure Wrong cave trolls (good hp and resists), and can't be dispelled, doesn't time out until you logout. Tamers use more skillpoints and time for that.

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It is balanced with tamers. You can't stable them, they can't recall with you, if you die and have to wander far for a res, they'll vanish on you. The most powerful creature you can allure is still the Arctic Ogre Lord (pending tests against the Titan Hurler) and it is nowhere near comparable to the pets Tamers can have. I mean 50 taming gets you a high plains boura.

The most powerful creature you can allure is still the Arctic Ogre Lord (pending tests against the Titan Hurler) and it is nowhere near comparable to the pets Tamers can have.

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It probably depends on the application, but I've found cave trolls unrivaled among the allures when it comes to performing as a meat shield. 2000+ hp, and good resists. That sounds great to me for 75 skillpoints invested. Arctic ogre lords and high plains bouras have less than 1/4 that hp. Haven't tried the new Covetous allures.

75 spellweaving also has other perks, even without bothering to get an arcane focus. I've found Nature's fury, Gift of life, Reaper form useful.

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it's been awhile since I've used an arctic ogre lord but they probably do more damage and they have 100% poison resistance, which is fairly useful. cave trolls have 130 wrestle and are much better tanks overall with the amount of HP they have, but they have horrible DPS. at least we have another choice, now. I think I'll stick with rising colossus ;P but not a bad pet. hungry ogres have half the hp of the troll and twice the dps. hmm. i'll do a quick sample.

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True, but it takes you less than 5 minutes to get a new cave troll from Wrong.

It probably depends on the application, but I've found cave trolls unrivaled among the allures when it comes to performing as a meat shield. 2000+ hp, and good resists. That sounds great to me for 75 skillpoints invested. Arctic ogre lords and high plains bouras have less than 1/4 that hp. Haven't tried the new Covetous allures.

75 spellweaving also has other perks, even without bothering to get an arcane focus. I've found Nature's fury, Gift of life, Reaper form useful.

50 taming, no lore?

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It takes you less than 5 minutes to get bouras too. I'm not sure how much lore is required for the high plains boura, but lowland bouras aren't that much weaker and they have pack instinct. What's more, SA characters with no taming can control them. I've often tamed and released them on a herder-tamer template so I can lead a pack of formerly tamed bouras into battle.

We've fought the new allures against allured AOLs. The AOLs beat the hungry ogres and cave trolls pretty handily. When the battle is done, the AOLs are down to about half their hit points. As GvP says, the damage output of the Cave Trolls is pretty poor. The Hurling Titan won its battle against the AOL, but it was redlined at the end.

Yes, spellweaving has many handy spells, but they are a pain to find. Furthermore, unlike taming, spellweaving can't be boosted with jewelry. You have to factor all this in when you're talking about balance.

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