Kristi Allen-Gailushas Declares War on “the Gay Community”

Here’s the thing Ms. Allen-Gailushas, your every action confirms how crazy and stupid your tea-bagging and candidacy for the Montana GOP really are. Nobody wants a war, except you and your fellow tea party officer Tim Ravndal. Even a “not a literal gun war but a war of the truth and hypocrisy they espouse” whatever that blabbering jibberish is supposed to mean.

I’m trying to imagine what she means by someone pushing a homosexual agenda in schools at the expense of math and reading. Would the school day consist of classes in interior decorating and hair styling? Show tunes over the intercom? Snitty counselors?

Math and reading could still be taught, though. I suspect that math board work would be a lot neater. And texts could be individualized on the basis of how well color-coordinated book covers were with students’ ensembles.

What she means by ‘pushing a homosexual agenda in schools’ is the sort of thing we have to go through every day at our college in LA. For example, she means the sort of teacher who comes out with stuff like, “I mean…what has the United States DONE…since the Moon Landing in 1969?…In 2005…Spain…legalized…gay marriage!” We are studying the History of Spain, not the history of homosexuality. We sign up for English and we get gay marriage. We sign up for Spanish, we get gay marriage. This is fraudulent. We want to learn about what we enrolled for, not Homosexuality 101. That is what she means. We know some people are homosexual. We heard you the first time. We are not as interested in the subject of homosexuality as you are. We are bored by it. (Zzzzzz) I am glad to have had the opportunity to explain this to you, so now you know. At long last.

If you don’t like a country based on Christianity then move. These folks can be a s gay as they want, but don’t force it on us and our children. We are a country of comman law, not a few nutcakes making laws so that only a very small minority rule the people. Oh, and DGSmith, Jesus would follow his Fathers word and know that God created man and woman to be togther in marriage.

Ben Frank, if you dont understand that the seperation of Church and State is enshrined in the Constitution then you are failing as an American citizen. That means you dont get to force Christianity on anyone.

I’m not forcing anything. So, if you want to learn something, please find me where in the constitution it says “separation of church and state”. I’ll give a hint, it’s not there, but please do your research so you won’t post ant more fallacies.

I see we have a Constitutional scholar here. Its amazing to me that your group that continually touts the Constitution as the base of everything you do lacks this basic understanding of the Constitution. Im sure you have a grand conspiracy theory about how the founders did not actually intend to seperate church from state but that its all a liberal plot, this from your ‘research’ on conspiracy websites and Alex Jones treatises Im sure.

OK if you say so LChad. The problem is that the federal courts disagree with your interpretation of what the Constitution means. In our republic it is the Court system that interprets the Constitution not random yokels with a dial up connection surfing infowars and citing Alex Jones as a credible source of information.

Interpretation is for Yeats or Longfellow. The U.S. Constitution is written in plain English with precise punctuation and interpretation is a side road that socialist leaning attorneys and have driven this Republic down long enough.

Wow, I guess the forefathers just dont agree with you considering the system they set up specifically requires the Courts to interpret the Constitution as well as legislation. You are really failing at civics here.

You need to try and comprehend what your wrote. Congress ( Government ) shall not make any laws etc. So in others words. The Government is not allowed to make any laws that establishes a religion, or prohibits the exercise of a religion. It doesn’t state what your wanting it too.

LChad = congrats on actually being able to comprehend the things you read. Bravo, its not seen much anymore.

Jack Ruby, The Federal Courts are only allowed to interpret laws. Anything dealing with constitutional issues is suppose to be seen by the Supreme Court.

Nice try, but that is completely different from “the sepparation of church and state” As far as I know, the government has not established a church or prevented any once else from doing so. By the way, I don’t know who Alex Jones is and there is no conspiricy. Remember, you jumped to the Constitution instead of defending your position on the gay marriage issue.

Ben, with all due respect and doing my best not to insult your intelligence, the plain language of the Constitution (as well as hundreds of judicial decisions)clearly prevents the government from enacting legislation that establishes religion or prevents the exercise of it which in layman’s terms amounts to a “separation” between govt and religion. Wow.

Well good, you found out that it was in a court decision! Now,go back to the original blogs that started this debate. Why should all this stuff be taught in or public schools? If we make a law do do so, then isn’t the government doing just what you say I’m wrong about?

Ben, the Courts interpret the Constitution, that is there Constitutional role in our republic. Religion is not being taught in public school. Where in the Constitution does it say that no sex education will be taught in schools?

Ben, I pointed out to you the separation of church and state in the Constitution because you were relying on your religious beliefs to justify your position that the government can forbid gays to marry. It seems you need to do some research on this subject.

Ben, try as you will..the Christian nation thing is a hoax. The founders were deists with an intense hatred for religious power in government. After life under the Church of England who could blame them. Winger GOP interpretations of the First and Second amendment are just that: bunk. It is true that anti-establishment was poorly imaged in the first amendment but Jefferson made the point very clear in his “Letter to the Danbury Baptists”..look it up.
The founders wanted Re legion out of Government and Government out of Religion. It matter’s not what religious people think..its what the founders demanded.

The ‘establishment of religion’ clause refers to a church or house of worship [a national church] – the federal government is prohibited to establish – as was done in England – which led to Religious persecution. We the People retain freedom of religion not freedom from religion. That said, the religious roots of the founders was without question -Old Testimate and New Testimate.

Are you really not getting it that by claiming the right to have your Christian principles taught in schools you would be ‘establishing’ a de facto government religion? Why do you insult the forefathers by claiming they did not come here for freedom of religion? If they wanted to make Christianity a state religion it would have said so in the Constitution right? You make the claim that the word ‘separation of church and state’ do not exist in the Constitution so therefore there is no separation. Yet the words ‘we are a Christian nation’ dont appear either do they?

How did you come up with that from what I wrote? Jack, you presume to ASSume to much in you diettribe. The only thing public schools should be giving instruction in is reading writing, math and U.S. Civics. – Sunday [or Saturday] School is there for the rest. Trouble is that the public schools have become institutions of indoctrination to the political correctness of the day and not campuses of inculcation of serious subject matter, which has led to sloppy thinking and irrational reasoning of generations of persons like yourself.

I went to Catholic School my whole life. True. Funny how you keep clumsily attempting to change the subject. Looking up above the point of this thread was the original claim that because we are a “Christian nation” no mention of homosexuality should be in the curriculum. So now its not about Christianity now that you have failed at arguing there is no Constitutional separation between church and state?

It’s clear historical record that not all of the founders were Christian. Jefferson and Franklin were deists.

In fact, Jefferson was so proud of his work promoting religious FREEDOM in Virginia that he had it engraved on his tombstone. You should Google his tombstone and then refer to the piece of legislation that Jefferson is referring to. If you have a brain at all, you’ll be able to see clearly that he is absolutely against the idea of the state sponsoring any one religion over another.

Just because we don’t believe in an invisible man in the sky, and a zombie jesus doesn’t mean we are less american. Just smart enough to know at some age you’ve got to stop believing in imaginary friends.

A country based on Christianity?
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievance.”- First Amendment to the US Constitution.

Nowhere does it endorse Christianity as the basis for the United States of America- or any other religion for that matter. My religion says I can love whomever I choose, and if you’re getting in the way of that, then you’re violating my First Amendment rights.

So Ben Frank, where in the Bible does Jesus say anything about homosexuality? I know one thing the Bible does say, the eagle is detestable (Leviticus 11:13 NIV). So if we are a Christian nation, why did the founding fathers choose a bird that God detests as our symbol? I guess we will forget that one. Like all the other weird and horrible stuff in the old testament that Christians conveniently ignore.

I believe Jesus would love us all… ALL of us. Love has no need for selfishness, it is not puffed up, it does not follow its own way. Love is GENTLE and KIND. God IS love and therefore hates NOTHING. Jesus would bless us all just as he blessed the tax collectors (pretty bad people in his time), the prositutes, and the other sinners he came across.

I don’t know this for sure, just as you don’t know for sure. None of us know for certain what God really thinks today. I, for one, do not believe the Holy Spirit has stopped speaking. I do, however believe that we have stopped listening.

Surely you’ll read this (or someone will read it to you), so please respond and tell me where you want to have this ‘war’ with gay people.

I’m there.

On my watch, there’ll be no more murders like the one Matthew Shepard suffered. Be very, very careful when you call for a war against gay people, because not just gay people will show up, and you’ll find quite a few Republicans who are not on your side of this one.

I’ve tried to find her page on facebook, but I think she has all her insecurities very securely tightened.
I want her to know she’s being watched—and carefully.
If even one drop of Montana gay blood is spilled, I’ll make sure all law enforcement at all levels are aware of the war threat she has made. She’ll be broke in only days from the expensive and desperate legal team she’ll have to hire to try to explain how she is not either responsible or at the very least, culpable.

So…let me get this straight.
Two of the four elected Big Sky Tea Part Officials have made homophobic and violent statements.
Is it just a matter of time before Janet Myers (Vice President) or Sheila Levins (Treasurer) spew their beliefs?
And if their leadership is this vocal, what does this say for the baggers who’ve elected these upstanding individuals?
And has anyone checked the roster to see if Rev. Fred Phelps is a member of the Big Sky Tea Party?
So many questions…

Let’s continue to encourage these folks to hoist themselves on their own petards of bigotry and prejudice. They have hidden their bigotry for years behind walls of hushed statements made privately. Those quiet racist and bigoted comments that are made and assumed to be agreed with when met with dignified silence- which is assumed assent. Let them yell them out loud- and face the consequences.

She may have done better with her privacy settings than redneck Tim Ravndal, king of the hill no more, but she hasn’t figured them all out yet. Her friend list is still wide open, and guess who’s still on it?
Wait for it……………..
Tim Ravndal.
I’d say that speaks volumes about her right there.

Once again, enough. The blogger here has requested that you not be an ass by insulting someone’s attractiveness based on assumptions of gender qualified bullshit. Please, don’t be an ass. That’s not that tough a request.

Wow, I am so happy to see that someone has finally spoken to God and has found out how He would like to handle the matter! Please tell us Mr. Frank, did God tell you anything else? Did He give you the winning lottery numbers for this week? Did he explain the existence of evil in the worl? Did he weigh in at all on all the human-made atrocities that are happening all over the world because people cannot stand to see the world from anothers’ perspective? Please tell us oh great prohet Ben. Please tell us what God has shared with you so that we can better understand why there is a rise in hate crimes against LGBT people across the land. Why must I be afraid to be open and honest with others about who I love? Did God have any answers for you? And before you qoute verse and chapter to me, please point out the place where JESUS himself said homosexuality is a sin. Please re-read the beattituides, Blessed are they. . . Blessed are we ALL who have been created in the likeness and image of God.

Oh and the rest of you KKKRistians take your Jews-Killed-Jesus sun revolves around the flat earth slave-owner manual, Final Leviticus Solution to the Homosexual Problem, genocidal bible and shove it down your throat and choke on the goddamn fucking pile of bullshit

This is a long thread, but here’s my favorite part: LChad presumes to tell us what public schools should be teaching, then refers to the Old and New “Testimates” and he uses the word “diettribe.” Priceless!

In the BIBLE, God made Adam and Eve. Not Adam and Steve, enough said. Homosexual Behavior is a Mental Disorder, just like pedophial or beastiality. There are problem people deal with everyday, some their entire life, others are luckier and figure it out on thier own. As for this PC world we all live in, it’s destroying the very fabric we all hold dear, FREEDOM OF THE PERSUIT OF LIFE, LIBERTY, AND PROPERTY. Happiness was the word that replaced PROPERTY when our government created the BLM. (U.S. DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR. BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT)We are all lied to by our government for greedy purposes.

Happiness was used by Thomas Jefferson, because he didn’t want to make the Revolution sound too greedy. Also, I don’t think he could have gotten Thomas Paine, probably the most influential propagandist of the bunch, to sign on the ‘property’, given Paine’s socialist leaning.

Why not bring up any non-majority sexual behavior? As long as its between two consenting adults (animals and children cannot give consent), its not hurting anyone except maybe the participants. Remind your congregation that you believe being gay is against God’s will, but remember – so is banking.

Banking was not against God’s will. Nor even against what Jesus preached. One should separate what God said (supposedly) and what Jesus said (supposedly). Jesus did supposedly state “render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar’s, speaking of taxes of course. He did supposedly condemn the “money changers”, but they were not bankers or banks. He did supposedly condemn (to a point) usury, which is otherwise known as interest, something banks do. Reasonable usury is okay, but unlimited and unjust usury is not okay. Do some more research.

As for the gay thing, it was called an abomination. I would also think that if it was gainst God’s will then God would certainly do somehting about it. Since he hasn’t, maybe he was just trying to assert that it isn’t good for humanity in the long run.

All of Paine’s works reflected his belief in natural reason and natural rights, political equality, tolerance, civil liberties, and the dignity of man.

One cannot say that the book had no effect. It shook the government; it set thousands of people to thinking. It stirred the currents in what had been placid water, and once stirred, those currents never stilled themselves. And not only in England, but everywhere men longed for freedom, Rights of Man became an inspiration and a hope.