-FATE! PERSONIFIED! About freaking time. Fate's only been how huge a part of this series since day one? *consigns 'Dean meets Fate and there is a lot of shouting' half-finished thing from 2006 to the bunny retirement folder*

-Someone's going to try to save the Titanic (oookaaaay...?) bringing about questions of what happens when someone changes history, events that effect other events, etc. Also something that had to come eventually when time travel abilities were introduced.

-Bobby is going to be awesome. Wait, that's not a spoiler! XD

Well. Show's getting into time travel mechanics, causality and personifications of fate. It's like it knows me.

*cracks knuckles* Bring it on.

Picspam Reaction, with speculation and randomness for Supernatural 6.17 - ??? My Heart Will Go On

I must admit that I have made a spoiler-influenced choice in which mug I'm using while watching this episode.

*smirks*

-*skiiiiiipping the Then*

-Chester, Pennsylvania. You know you've been watching Supernatural for a very long time when you see this guy propping his storage locker door up with a bit of wood and instantly wonder if it's going to cut him right in half or just chop off his head.

-Don't you just hate it when the invisible forces of fate move your beer? ...and there goes an unexpected bunny into the retirement folder. I had a rock on the beach getting shifted instead of a beer, but hey, whatever gets the poor doomed bastard to die, right?

-*cackles all through the Rube Goldbergesque lead-up to the death scene, shades of the rabbit's foot, but we'll see* Aaaand the winner is, DECAPITATION! \o/ Ah, we haven't had one of those in a while.

-"My Heart Will Go On." Oh dear. That fits the spoiler. Well, if they have to hunt down Celine Dion, big_pinkwent there first.

Okay, this means either some kind of 'make-it-not-have-happened' time travel, or a trip to the near past, or a trip to Heaven and Ash's Roadhouse of rebel souls or whatnot. ELLEN!!! *bounces and tries to block the rest of the guest names*

-"It was tough for all of us." Owwww. Oh. Rufus just was killed and Bobby is staying up and throwing himself into the hunt and not sleeping and chain-drinking and covering everything up with a wall of cantankerous curmudgeonhood, probably just like he did after the first time his wife died, because possessed by an earworm or not he was the one holding the knife and he... owwwwww. Oh Bobby.

-"You wanna stand there and therapize or you wanna get me some coffee?" Okay, I need to make an icon now.

-I am easily distracted today, this is bad. I need more tea.

-"Make it Irish." Well, why not indeed!

-Blood relatives. Family lines. Say what you will about the show, it doesn't wander far from the central theme it's had all along.

-Written by Eric Charmelo and Nicole Snyder who are beginning to sound familiar.

-Hold the goddamn phone. That's a Mustang. OH MY GOD. KAZ 2Y5!!! What the hell? Ohhh. Alternate timelines already? Cool. And, and, the junk yard has a different name! And I was wondering why Bobby's TV was in his kitchen before but didn't cap it! AND OF COURSE DEAN WON THE ROCK, PAPER, SCISSORS! This is an alternate timeline! This is awesome! It's like a spot the difference puzzle! WITH THE PROPER LICENSE PLATE! *clings to it* \o/

-'She' will be there. I'm guessing Ellen's coming to visit. Oh my god I love this! I also love the stripes on the Mustang, because it's like a deliberate 'how can we possibly make this car look more douchey? I know! Lets give it copper skunk-stripes!' In some situations they might be cool but on the Winchester vehicle... no.

-I am now thinking that Bobby knows something is up with reality, which is why he turfed out Sam and Dean because they were emanating 'wrong' at him. Somehow, Bobby being able to see when reality is hooped is so very right. Like a junior Time Lord or something. Maybe he's staying awake and drunk to, to, I dunno. Keep his perceptions loose and wiggly. Yeah. *nods*

-Directed by Phil Sgriccia, who I believe is the one who inherited the 'awkward/pivotal episode' mantle from Kim Manners.

-Or it's Alt!Ellen who never died. Hi Ellen!

-"I'm gone a week and this place goes completely to hell." ... Did... was that an implied, um... Is Alt!Ellen living with Bobby? *BIGGEST GRIN EVER* OMG. I don't care why or how or for what reason, but HELL YES. I've wanted Ellen to live with Bobby since the Roadhouse blew up, whether it was as friends or something else. I love AU's! We're getting canon AU's, you guys! \o/

-"It's why you married me." *jawdrop* OH. MY GOD. B and E salvage! Bobby and Ellen! OMG AND NOW BOBBY IS JO'S STEP-DAD AND DEAN AND SAM'S SURROGATE DAD AND OMG they have to undo all of this and kill us all all over again with Ellen and Jo and holy crap just when I thought show wouldn't find new ways to bring EPIC FLAMING ANGST it gives me my end of season two wishlist item number two, but in a way that means it has to get deconstructed and destroyed and unmade into non-existence and things. Oh. MY. GOD. D-:

-I need more tea for this.

-Oh my god where is my brain?? This is another alt!reality, isn't it? Like the Reality alt!reality where this is all a TV show and Misha Collins had his throat slit for a blood-phone call. In this reality, this is the way things ended up, everything is normal for here, and this is another dimension from the one we usually watch. Oh wow, not just time travel hijinks, parallel dimension hijinks and SERIOUSLY SHOW, ARE YOU IN MY BRAIN OR WHAT, because this is- this is... I can't even say. Parallel worlds, time travel, I WAS DESTINED TO BE A FAN OF THIS FREAKING SHOW. O.O

-And, AND, this Bobby, going to start needing dimensional designators soon, this Bobby is noticing things that are affecting other dimensions maybe? Eve, is she an alt!Eve, or is she pandimensional? The souls thing Death wants Dean to look into, is that in all the dimensions? How does that work? Is each alt version a separate soul, or are they all facets and extensions of the same soul and what if- gaaaaah, my head is exploding! O.O

-*koff* Yeah. Need more brain. And tea. My god.

-"Accidents don't just happen accidentally." Heeee. Not if you're a Winchester.

-Hey, has anyone on this show been killed by a desktop widget-thingy yet? I mean I think Smallville did it once a few seasons back, so we're about due, right? *eyes wire-loopy-silver-ball thing on guy's desk*

-"Was anyone ever killed or maimed in a war, or, y'know, some other violent thing?" I see that this version of Dean is also King of Subtle when it comes to interviewing techniques.

-"Like something so dark it would sully future generations?" Well, if nothing else, I think you managed to get his full attention now. *facepalm* (him and his suspiciously paisley tie...)

-"Anyone own a slave?" *chokes on tea*

-Is it just me or did Dean strike a sore spot with the gypsy question?

-Mustang. Seriously. Mustang. Remember that thing Kripke said about Mustangs back in that season one interview that I can't find anywhere? Yeah. Mustang. So wrong. *pats the One True License Plate consolingly*

-Okay, I don't even know if this person is on the hit list or not, but I am betting that the sheet feeder on that copier and her scarf are going to have intimate relations (inevitably resulting in her death) before the next ad break.

-Why hello here, new person who looks startlingly like JJ off Criminal Minds! I bet you're Fate. Or A Fate. Or a reality auditor. Invisible mover of beer. *nods*

-Scariest face of the entire show. Travel sales is scary.

-Yep! I thought so. There are way too many sheet-feeders in my life not to suspect long dangly scarves near them.

-So much flashlight-fu in this episode, wonderful. Uncappable, but wonderful. :-)

-*facepalm* Golden thread. Arg. Right. Fates. Weavers of the golden thread. Though I've never heard of them using it for a bookmark before, but hey, she wasn't exactly using scissors to cut their threads short either.

-"I'm kickin' his ass back to health and happiness."/"Who asked you to? Hell with ya." I'm just gonna sit here for a while and grin all over, okay? Seriously, this is exactly what I wanted at the end of Season 2, whether they got married or just shared a house. I like this alternate reality. Except it has no Metallicar, and that makes it wrong. Especially considering Fate is going around editing reality. Given the title and the prior heard spoiler, I'm guessing she's axing all the Titanic-didn't-sink bloodlines. Which means the Prime!Verse is going to overwrite this one, rather than it existing in parallel, and Ellen and Jo are going to have to un-not-die. DAMMIT.

-"I just worry about you boys." THE ALT!WINCHESTERS HAVE ELLEN AS A SURROGATE MOM!!! ALONG WITH BOBBY!! AND JO AS THEIR LITTLE SISTER!! I don't know why that didn't fully sink in until just then but DAMMIT WHY DOES THIS HAVE TO BE THE WRONG WORLD? *waves angsty fists*

-"The... Titanic. D'y'ever hear of it?" Heh. Yep. Thought so. Heh. I was going to run a time travel RPG a long while back wherein the party would have to ensure the Titanic sank. Some days I really wonder if the show writers aren't eavesdropping in my head. ...No, not really. >.>

-Ahahahahahahahahaaaa! God I love Ellen!

-You know, if the Titanic didn't sink, it probably had a long life crossing the Atlantic back and forth. Unless some bright spark figured out the design flaw after its initial voyage and beached it. Couple hundred families on each trip? Both ways? Yeah. The world should be a whole lot different. However, it's still recognizable... Gaaaah! I want to get buried up to my nose in temporal physics and figure out what the rules are for this, but I'm already over my time limit and have half the episode yet to go. Because in "In The Beginning" there's hints of circular causation and a predestination paradox, so Novikov's self-consistency principle is kind of out the window, and time is capable of change, but not to an extreme 'step on a butterfly and the world changes' level, so non-chaotic, but mutable, less plastic time and more rubber time, because it wants to be a certain shape or something wants it to be a certain shape, and then there's parallel worlds, except they might not branch, they might just overwrite, in which case they aren't parallel but then there's Reality-verse, and... um. Yeah. I have no idea what I'm talking about either. Needs more brain. And more time. But mostly brain.

-"This First Mate? Mr. I. P. Freely." Yeaaaaaah. Might not be Dean. Not a member of a rock group. Unless someone's been messing with the Wikipedia entry. Hey. Wouldn't it be cool if editing Wikipedia changed reality? Or not.

-Hi Balthazar!

-"Why did you unsink the ship?"/"Because I hated the movie!"/"What movie?"/"Exactly!" *snerk*

-I'm just gonna laugh here for a while. Wondering what Balthazar's real motivation was, but jabs at Celine Dion are practically as Canadian as hockey and Tim Horton's, and so I giggle. Actually, she wasn't doing too bad for herself before Titanic, she was on a Disney soundtrack and stuff, but yeah. *snerk*

-"Haven't you noticed? There's no more rules, boys." Oooo! *eyesparkle* There we are. Time travel mayhem and causal nexus infringement and stuff ahoy. Oooo. Nifty!

-"No Ashton Kutcher references." Aw? For the most part I agree, but Butterfly Effect was pretty freaking mind-blowing.

-"Yes, yes, 'What's an Impala?' trust me, it's not important." It's been a while since I've had the urge to slap an angel.

-"Anyway, let's agree I did a good thing." Heh heh heh. Sneaky bloody Balthazar, what the hell are you really up to? You were collecting souls earlier, is this something to do with all the extra Titanic-line souls running around now? Requires pondering. *ponders*

-"You have me confused with the other angel. You know the one in the dirty trenchcoat who's in love with you?" *chokes on everything ever* *and then laughs like a loon for a solid minute* HA! Oh dear. XD

-Ah yes, I recognize that picture. I'd say our beer-mover looks like the Maiden in appearance, but she's sort of doing the Crone's job... except these are people who never should have been born, so, yeah, in this case it does kind of fall under the Spinner's purview, to pull the threads that should never have been started, except that would unmake the people and not kill them. Not sure which that'd make her as a Norn (I always get Urd and Skuld mixed up) so going with Greek/Roman that might make her Clotho/Nona.... I don't know though. She's still cutting the threads and I can't imagine the SPN powers-that-be could resist passing up to cast another creepy preadolescent girl as the Maiden of the Fates, so probably a well-preserved Crone. Atropos/Morta. Yeah. I don't know a lot about the Fates, just enough to be dangerous. *nods*

-"How do we stop Fate? Good question." Hehe. Yeah, Dean. Really, really good question. You've only been asking it for a couple seasons now. XD

-"We are not sinking the boat, Bobby." Hee. I know why Dean is so adamant and all, but this line still made me giggle.

-"...Nothing?" Pft! HA! Yeah, try again, Dean.

-*wibble* So much goddamn wibble. Dammit, Show! You already killed them once and wrecked me, why do you have to do it again? Oh. Right. Because THAT'S WHAT THIS SHOW DOES BEST. Gaaaaaah.

-Oh right, the guy with the desk widget that's going to kill him. So. Stalk the one guy out of fifty thousand until they catch Fate in the act? That's a little brute force for tactics, but you gotta make do with what you've got I guess?

-Car. So wrong. Wait. So. Dean got John to buy the Impala, so how did... Ah! One of the Titanic descendants must have bought it off the lot before John and Dean got there. *nods* Damn them!

-Fate drives a mean, mean bus. *winces* Was there a flying shoe like last time? *check* Nope, but a lot of bloodspray. Ewwwwww. So much for the one bloodline member you know about.

-HAHAHAHAH! There's the shoe! XD

-Yep. It is often said that Fate is a witty mother. Heeeeey, check the bus number in the window. 666 isn't it? I love set design! \o/

-Hm. If I was a Fate and could stop time and do things and disappear, I wouldn't be hanging around to be spotted by one of my own epic-level pawns unless I had a very good reason... *ponders*

-"Your kind of librarian or my kind of librarian?" Alt-Dean's got a bit more vinegar to him. Actually, no. He's got more... can't describe it. Not so much anxiety-boiling-under-the surface. Self-confidence? I wonder if having Ellen there as a friend/surrogate mom, and having the stability of her and Bobby to fall back on... I wonder if it's, I dunno, given him more of a stable center to snark from? Could just be the way I'm reading the way it's being played, but it seems like Dean's been subtly like that all through this episode. It's disarmingly sweet and painful to think that having Ellen and Jo there the whole time had this effect, and makes their eventual re-deaths that much more hurty. DAMMIT SHOW!

-Conspicuously ticking clock is at 10:35 or.... waaaait. Second hand is not moving on conspicuously ticking clock. And the sirens have stopped. Hm...

-Oh, no, wait, it's moving. Just couldn't see it before and was confused by the big random triangle on the clock face. Now it's stopped. Oh. Yay.

-"You got a lighter?" ...Sam, do you know your brother? Unless maybe in this 'verse they don't do a whole lot of salt and burns. Also, DON'T SPARK THE LIGHTER, DEAN!

-...well. It's not sparking anyway. Good thing he has a crappy flint. Hm. I wonder if whichever Fate this is is being resisted by whoever's been thumping the Winchester bloodline with the Destiny stick since forever. *ponders*

-HA!!! HANDS ON THE SHOULDERS! HI CASTIEL!!! \o/ Nice to have a guardian angel that occasionally pays attention.

-"I imagine she harbors a certain degree of rage towards you." Heeee! So, Winchesters aren't Fated by Fate, but some other forces trying to mess with Fate? I love this crap. If I had a brain right now I'd be rolling in it.

-"Just a tiny matter of averting the Apocalypse and rendering her obsolete." Oooo, really? ... Innnnteresting.

-"Kill her." ...Ya know, that seems burningly appropriate. Wait, so given they had to be what they were to kick off the Apocalypse and get down to the final battle, up to that point they were tools of Fate. Then at the end of season 5 they jumped the tracks with free will and the strength of family. Ah. So to Fate, the Winchesters are defective tools. Or something. *nods*

-"You need new friends, Cas." Hee! Balthazar's not exactly a friend, but he does have handy toys. Hm. I wonder then if this whole 'unsink the Titanic' thing is all a plot to kill Fate. What kind of ripple effect would that have, I wonder. The Cupids would all be pretty annoyed I think, since aren't they matching people up for the sake of Destiny? Or is Destiny a separate thing from Fate in this show... My head's starting to hurt and I'm out of tea. (Also, I vastly underestimated how long this would take since I started at 1 PM and it's now 10 PM. D-:)

-"Atropos." Ah, so they are going with the Greek version and the well-preserved Crone.

-*is enraptured by interesting stuff*

-"It's Balthazar, he's a-"/"Bullcrap." Oh really??? O.o

-"He's under your orders." ...wait what? Since when? Oh god, now I want to go back through the whole season and review Balthazar's activities. Sounds like we're getting to find out what Castiel's been up to though. O.O

-"You sent him back to save that ship." Okay, I DO NOT HAVE SUFFICIENT BRAIN TO PROCESS THIS ALL. OMG, WHAT??

-"This is about the souls." ...Have you ever heard a kookaburra? That kind of 'ooo ooo ooo' sound they make? Cross that with a startled orangutan, add in some flappy flailing hand movements as though I had just had, I dunno, wasabi paste shoved up my nose, and that was me just now. HOLY FREAKING CRAP!!!! WE'RE GETTING BACK TO THE SOULS!!! \o/

-Also, apparently, I was right about the Titanic getting unsunk to make more souls. Hunh. *blinks*

-"You can't just mint money, Castiel." ...hunh. So. Soul economy. Is it that with more souls around, they drop in value, or is it that there is a finite source of souls and by making more, each soul is weakened? Holy crap. There is a whole passel of pondering in that concept. Really deep pondering for people with more brain than I.

-This entire conversation has blown my mind in about fifty different directions simultaneously, all fascinating.

-Ahahahahaha! They got the song to use too, not just the title. Cool. *pats Celine Dion*

-METALLICAAAAAAAAR! \o/ And the old/new/wrong plate again, but METALLICAAAAAR!!! And the normal scrapyard sign is back. And sad as it is, I hope they never know what happened there. Because we just lost Ellen and Jo again, dammit!

-"Mine had the actual Titanic in it." Oh, crap, they remember. Ohhhhh crap. They think it's a dream, but they'll put the pieces together and Castiel will be a bit screwed and there will be Ellen and Jo angst and awwwww, boys.

-"Why are you having my dreams, dude?" Yeah, well, I guess if your brother has a history of demonic psychic weirdness, you'd go there first before time travel and soul economy plots and losing two good friends all over again.

-"It wasn't a dream." Hi Castiel! You gonna own up, or are you gonna try to cover your plot-thingy. Sounds like owning up maybe.

-"It was the only way to be sure you were safe." Oh my god. And now there's schmoop and angst and everything and I suspect there's about to be rather a lot of yelling.

-"So... you killed fifty thousand people for us?" Weeeell, he only made the ones who originally died in the first place dead again, but really, nothing says 'I care about you' like unbending time and thwarting your own soul-economy takeover plot. Castiel was plotting something you guys. I mean, he had to be but still... How weird is that?

-"Ellen and Jo?" Oh ow.

-Stun checks, failing. Shouting imminent?

-"How come he and I remember it?"/"Because I wanted you to remember it." Oooo. Ow.

-"You're the ones who taught me you can make your own destiny. You don't have to be ruled by Fate. You can choose freedom. I still believe that that's something worth fighting for. I just wanted you to understand that." You know... Team Free Will is awesome and all... but um.... Given what little we know about why this was done, this speech is kind of nervous-making. Maybe. I WANT TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT CASTIEL IS UP TO AND WHY RIGHT NOW, DAMMIT!!!

-"Did Balthazar really unravel the sweater over a chick flick?"/"Yes. Absolutely. That's what he did." Ahahaha. Not exactly full disclosure there, eh Castiel? And you're doing so badly at lying too.

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THE ALT!WINCHESTERS HAVE ELLEN AS A SURROGATE MOM!!! ALONG WITH BOBBY!! AND JO AS THEIR LITTLE SISTER!! I don't know why that didn't fully sink in until just then but DAMMIT WHY DOES THIS HAVE TO BE THE WRONG WORLD? *waves angsty fists*

Oh, tell me about it. I like this alt!world. The boys are still brothers - and they have a surrogate Mom and a surrogate little sister. I want this world.

You know you've been watching Supernatural for a very long time when you see this guy propping his storage locker door up with a bit of wood and instantly wonder if it's going to cut him right in half or just chop off his head.

Yup. Decapication or disembowelment, it was just a matter of seconds away from happening, lol.

He did. And -- well, this scene is probably why I cannot be really mad at him for being a Lying Liar Who Lies these days to Sam and Dean, because it is so clearly manifest that he loves these two humans, who have taught him so much about what's important. *Unfortunately, he does still have a lot to learn*

My brain is totes asplodey from this. I think it just jumped up to one of my favs of the show, much less this season. And all the groundwork from earlier this season is starting to come together. Cannot wait for more answers. Cas has got some 'splaining to do. *squee*

And -- well, this scene is probably why I cannot be really mad at him for being a Lying Liar Who Lies these days to Sam and Dean, because it is so clearly manifest that he loves these two humans, who have taught him so much about what's important. *Unfortunately, he does still have a lot to learn*

I know! Plus, why exactly is he lying to them? So they won't try to stop him or just so they won't be disappointed in him? Castiel lying (very badly) is a fascinating development.

And all the groundwork from earlier this season is starting to come together. Cannot wait for more answers. Cas has got some 'splaining to do. *squee*

Absolutely! He's been very busy all season and now he seems to be more in command than I thought he might be from the season start. I can't wait til we start getting answers about what he's been up to.

Considering that you viewed this unspoiled, you are amazing at predicting what is going to happen! And your reactions are side-splitting amusing to read--I bet it would be a real hoot to watch an episode with you :)

Oh, one other little alt-universe quirk (which someone pointed out to me)--when he interviews the lawyer, Dean is wearing a jacket and tie...with jeans! Really, Dean?

It would be frustrating as hell to watch the episode with me! I pause so often and don't really say much, just mutter and type. XD

Dean is wearing a jacket and tie...with jeans! Really, Dean?

I saw that and figured it was because Dean had come in as someone from the college with a genealogy project, instead of FBI or reporter. Jeans and a sport jacket were kind of 'college professor/college student going to interviews' uniform back when I went. Could be an Alt!verse thing though.

I think I annoyed mom going on about the three aspects of fate--but she called the death of copy-girl so I figure it balanced out..lol Oh yes and we were both waiting for the man in the garage to lose his head. It is possible I watch too many horror movies;)

After this there are so many tangents and pondering that..dammit. And also--curse you show for the unbearable angst!!! Balthazar's line about Cas nearly killed me btw, just saying. GLad I wasn't drinking at the time.

They did have the three mentioned, for which I'm really glad, since they could have made them three aspects of the same entity, which would still have worked but be less mythologically accurate. Sad to say most of my knowledge about the Fates comes via playing one in an RPG. XD

Oh my god, Balthazar's line about Castiel and Dean's look after that. I couldn't cap it, but Show just loves to play with the shippers.

In Titanic!verse, Dean usually throws rock. In Prime!verse, Dean usually throws paper and makes Sam be the rock. Seems like there might be meta in that but I haven't had coffee yet.

Someone has to write the Alt-Singer/Harvelle/Winchester Thanksgiving dinner story, dammit!

*sniffle* That last shot of Bobby on his own in the photo where Ellen had previously been was just perfect.

I think my head exploded in all the same places as yours, although I didn't get the rock paper scissors thing until my second viewing!

It's a good thing I wasn't drinking tea when Balthazar came out with the line about Castiel being in love with Dean because, firstly, I don't like tea, and, secondly, I would have spit it out all over my living room floor. I could virtually hear fangirls exploding all around the globe!

Someone has to write the Alt-Singer/Harvelle/Winchester Thanksgiving dinner story, dammit!

Someone has to write the entire alt'verse. How did Ellen and Bobby go from being friends to getting married? What was their wedding like? What about all those times the Winchester boys needed someone to talk to or a home to go to and it was there for them? What about Jo? Is she hunting and in college? How did the alt!pocalypse go? What happened at Carthage if Ellen and Jo didn't die there? Was there a Titanic-bloodline hunter there that took the hit instead, or told them that the Colt wouldn't work on Lucifer?

That's the most common interpretation of the line, yeah. I wouldn't know what an Impala was without this show, so I lean towards the 'Impalas exist, but are a rare and obscure car that never got re-made in 2003 or whenever that was.

As to the Apocalypse, whatever car the boys grew up in was the car the boys grew up in, I guess. Kind of bugs me because it pings off that 'It could have been any car' kerfuffle back when the Origins comics came out and subliminally annoys me.

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