Originally Posted by echo226
Jimmy was way too harsh and did say Lazaro might have been "confused", but I tend to agree with you. I think it took him until Tuesday to get the song and the arrangement committed and ready in time for rehearsal. I further think that he chose a song and someone encouraged him strongly to change. He did a fine job on "got to get you into my life" ... and I wonder if that wasn't the song he chose and he had to change because they wanted it for the boys group sing

I think Jimmy ought to apologize to him publicly ... I really do..

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Originally Posted by razorbacker

Sounds to me like you are accusing Jimmy of lying? It has been the policy of the show since the beginning that they do not choose songs for these kids. I think Jimmy was telling the truth & has no reason to apologize whatsoever.

No. Jimmy backhandedly called Lazaro a liar. What I was saying, ( and I believe sportsfan76 was suggesting) was that Lazaro was simply saying HE didn't learn the song until the night before. I think that Lazaro keeps the message short for obvious reasons. Lazaro did not say
hey, I picked another song and they handed me this one last night. He was trying to say more but because he takes longer Ryan had to wrap it up. Lazaro was saying the song change was due to some complication. So ... was the song Lazaro originally chose one that someone else wanted, or that production wanted? He told Ryan on the results show that the lesson he learned was "not to change". So, someone asking Lazaro if he's "sure" he wants to sing a song ... may have encouraged him to choose another ... or may he kindly gave the song he wanted to someone else.

I just seemed to me that "they" Jimmy especially, went out of their way to exacerbate Lazaro's problems and it is a crummy way for adults to act. AND, Jimmy obviously prides himself on his ability to be Iovine the terrible. What ? Is he trying to "fire" Lazoro too?

My apologies ... because of your status in the prediction game you are obviously more knowledgeable than I ... :lol (congrats by the way)... but I AM one of the few who put Amber in the Bottom 3 mix :)

03-22-2013, 03:06 PM

echo226

Re: 3/21 AI 12 Top 9 RESULTS **West Coast Spoilers**

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Originally Posted by razorbacker

Lazanjaya is going to work his way through this lineup one by one & get pilloried by the viewing public, the judges & Jimmy until the voting public finally wake up & boot his butt to the curb. He was not only the worst this week, but the worst by leaps & bounds & he made excuses for his awfulness that evidently didn't hold water. It seemed pretty obvious to me, that Paul would be the one on the outs, but at least he gets to do the tour & that is some consolation & $$$. Next up for exit....Devin, Amber & Burnell, as Lazanjaya cries his way to the top.

See what I mean, raz? What the high and mighty have said ... has made YOU and others think Lazaro is a liar. And I don't think that is the case ... but the method of presenting things has twisted perceptions so that people think he lied in order to explain his bad performance. Geez! Amber also blamed things on the smoke and they didn't eviscerate her! Remember, he predicted her as Top 3 last night ... thus he not always right!

Regarding holding water ... All Idol has said is that it has always been the policy for Idol to choose the genre and the contestant to choose the song. Jimmy also said that maybe Lazaro was "confused". Jimmy also later said something in general like "you can't coddle these kids".

We don't know when or why his choice was changed and Personally, I think we should give Lazaro the benefit of the doubt.

I think JO's head is too big for his hat ... and I think he owes Laz and his family .... and ME ... an apology.

03-22-2013, 03:35 PM

razorbacker

Re: 3/21 AI 12 Top 9 RESULTS **West Coast Spoilers**

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Originally Posted by Misty8723

This is typical of just about every season of Idol, where one person - through no fault of theirs - gets lambasted for "sticking around too long." People vote for who they vote for, whatever the reason. For what it's worth, I don't think he's had the worst performance either week, but it's very subjective.

And it is usually someone who is woefully less talented than those that are going home before him/her.

03-22-2013, 04:15 PM

Misty8723

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Originally Posted by razorbacker

And it is usually someone who is woefully less talented than those that are going home before him/her.

I believe that it's deliberate - to give us something to complain about and keep us watching. That was very much a Simon MO - bring some people on with marginal talent, criticize the heck out of them for many weeks, get people screaming about them (and in one case, send death threats to). Then finally compliment them and say nice things...after which they're gone the next week. I've thought about going back to document that idea, but I haven't had time. After Simon left, I was very glad to see they did away with that nonsense and gave us some talented, diverse people. Not that they still didn't choose one person to "pick on," it just wasn't quite as blatant because said person was actually pretty talented. I find it hard to get all worked up about who stays and who doesn't. The person I start out supporting rarely even makes it to the finals (David Cook being the exception), let alone win. By the finale I'm usually favoring one over the other. Bottom line, after all these years, for me it's just another reality show and it doesn't matter who wins. They'll either do well after the show, or they'll fade back into obscurity, and we'll have a whole new set to debate over next season.

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Originally Posted by echo226

See what I mean, raz? What the high and mighty have said ... has made YOU and others think Lazaro is a liar. And I don't think that is the case ... but the method of presenting things has twisted perceptions so that people think he lied in order to explain his bad performance. Geez! Amber also blamed things on the smoke and they didn't eviscerate her! Remember, he predicted her as Top 3 last night ... thus he not always right!

Regarding holding water ... All Idol has said is that it has always been the policy for Idol to choose the genre and the contestant to choose the song. Jimmy also said that maybe Lazaro was "confused". Jimmy also later said something in general like "you can't coddle these kids".

We don't know when or why his choice was changed and Personally, I think we should give Lazaro the benefit of the doubt.

I think JO's head is too big for his hat ... and I think he owes Laz and his family .... and ME ... an apology.

I completely agree with this post. The nature of reality tv is that it's skewed for the maximum drama to get people excited about something, and usually somebody has to be cast as "villian." One thing I hate about Idol, is the "villian" almost always is a young kid who shouldn't have to be put through this kind of stuff just for the sake of ratings.

03-22-2013, 04:42 PM

jammyjoe

Re: 3/21 AI 12 Top 9 RESULTS **West Coast Spoilers**

Tim Urban (a replacement) was the worst singer that got really far. I don't know what place he ended up with. Lazaro may be able to beat his record. He was 4th last week (but no mention this week of rankings) so we will see if he can sustain that. He has some talent but it doesn't measure up to the others....by leaps and bounds. Judges' fault for putting him through for "casting" purposes. I thought with Simon gone we would do away with the "casting". He's definitely not one of the top 5 boys of all those who auditioned. There were far better ones not selected and a lot of them too.

As for Candice. I think he's peaking too soon. She might end up like Crystal Bowersox who was a frontrunner all throughout until the last couple of weeks.

03-22-2013, 05:12 PM

echo226

Re: 3/21 AI 12 Top 9 RESULTS **West Coast Spoilers**

Quick Note ... I just read an article saying there is now a feud between the Judges and Jimmy. I almost completely forgot that he called out/criticized the judges and said they were giving the idols inaccurate and confusing feedback. I think that is when he made the comment about coddling.

Jimmy is their coach ... so he is partially responsible for giving them poor advice.

So who quit and made Jimmy the boss of everything?

03-22-2013, 05:56 PM

razorbacker

Re: 3/21 AI 12 Top 9 RESULTS **West Coast Spoilers**

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Originally Posted by echo226

Quick Note ... I just read an article saying there is now a feud between the Judges and Jimmy. I almost completely forgot that he called out/criticized the judges and said they were giving the idols inaccurate and confusing feedback. I think that is when he made the comment about coddling.

Jimmy is their coach ... so he is partially responsible for giving them poor advice.

So who quit and made Jimmy the boss of everything?

Jimmy is the head of Interscope records, it is his label that the winner will release their albums through. So, in effect, no one had to quit to make him the boss, he just is. Jimmy has been at the helm of over 250 albums in his career for such artists a Bruce Springsteen, U2, Dire Straits, Lady Gaga, Rod Stewart, The Pretenders, Tom Petty, Meatloaf, etc. etc. etc.

03-22-2013, 07:31 PM

echo226

Re: 3/21 AI 12 Top 9 RESULTS **West Coast Spoilers**

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Originally Posted by razorbacker

Jimmy is the head of Interscope records, it is his label that the winner will release their albums through. So, in effect, no one had to quit to make him the boss, he just is. Jimmy has been at the helm of over 250 albums in his career for such artists a Bruce Springsteen, U2, Dire Straits, Lady Gaga, Rod Stewart, The Pretenders, Tom Petty, Meatloaf, etc. etc. etc.

:rofl ... I didn't mean that literally. It's an old snarky expression ... "who died and left you boss?" or King or whatever ... and that was just my take on it. After I typed it I thought uh-oh I wonder if someone is going to think I thought Jimmy was taking Simon's producer role or something. No ... I was just talking that old expression and trying to euphemise a little. Thanks for trying to clarify for me though.

Just read another bit that is suggesting the technical/smoke issues "doomed" Amber. So if she said that ... then let's pick on her now :lol just kidding.

03-23-2013, 09:40 AM

Shoepie

Re: 3/21 AI 12 Top 9 RESULTS **West Coast Spoilers**

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Originally Posted by echo226

Quick Note ... I just read an article saying there is now a feud between the Judges and Jimmy. I almost completely forgot that he called out/criticized the judges and said they were giving the idols inaccurate and confusing feedback. I think that is when he made the comment about coddling.

Jimmy is their coach ... so he is partially responsible for giving them poor advice.

So who quit and made Jimmy the boss of everything?

Certainly they would love the viewers to think there is a feud. That is pure gold for ratings. This business is full of huge ego's so I don't doubt there is some animosity afoot. I look forward to Jimmy's take on things and most always agree with him. Mariah and Keith are way too soft but Randy seems to be onboard with some clearer feedback; he needs to step it up though.

Nicki is in a class of her own and often gets it right. I like her style.

03-23-2013, 07:09 PM

Misty8723

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Originally Posted by jammyjoe

Tim Urban (a replacement) was the worst singer that got really far. I don't know what place he ended up with. Lazaro may be able to beat his record. He was 4th last week (but no mention this week of rankings) so we will see if he can sustain that. He has some talent but it doesn't measure up to the others....by leaps and bounds. Judges' fault for putting him through for "casting" purposes. I thought with Simon gone we would do away with the "casting". He's definitely not one of the top 5 boys of all those who auditioned. There were far better ones not selected and a lot of them too.

As for Candice. I think he's peaking too soon. She might end up like Crystal Bowersox who was a frontrunner all throughout until the last couple of weeks.

I think we had two years of less obvious "casting" and better, more diverse talent. For some reason, we're back to Simon's model and I really don't care for it all that much.

Crystal came back around in the finale, but it was too late by then. I hope Candace isn't following in the same vein, because she's one of the few I really enjoy watching at the moment (the other being Janelle).