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On Wednesday, May 24th at about 3:43 pm ET, CNN broadcast this odd little story. There seems to be no reference to it on CNN's website and we haven't seen any encore broadcasts since.

Here is the short version of the story... Geronimo's great grandson is making a plea to President Bush to facilitate the return of the remains of the Apache chief. The heir to Geronimo decided to make this request to Bush after a researcher found proof that Bush's great grandfather, Prescott Bush, had robbed Geronimo's grave. The skull, bones and other relics are now part of initiation traditions in the secret society of the Skull and Bones.

Read on for more of this story...

It's probably no secret to our readers that George W. Bush became a member of the secret Skull and Bones society while attending Yale. Not surprising since his father, George H. W. Bush, and his grandfather, Prescott Bush, were also members.

Around 1918, as the story goes, Prescott Bush and other member of the secret society robbed the grave of the Geronimo. The skull, bones and other relics are now thought to be enclosed in a glass case in the "Tomb" of the Skull and Bone society.Many writers and investigators have conducted enough interviews with sources close to Skull and Bones members to be reasonably certain that Prescott and his boys actually stole the remains of the legendary Apache chief.

Earlier this month, a writer researching the history of the Air Force, found a letter written by a Bonesman who would have been an active member of the Society at the same time as Prescott Bush. The letter gave hard confirmation that Geronimo's had been stolen by members.

Now, Geronimo's grandson, Harlan Geronimo, is asking President Bush to return the remains of his great grandfather. He has volunteered to undergo DNA testing to prove ownership. Harlan says that tribal dignity must be restored. He gives this warning:

According to Apache tradition, if you desecrate a grave you upset the spirits. Sooner or later the spirits will come after you.

It's a sobering thought that so many of this nation's leaders were members of this juvenile and silly society that nonetheless takes itself so seriously (consider that the equivalent at Harvard is "Hasty Pudding").It is an elitist anacrhonism. Also, it is common knowledge that there is no greater sin among Native Americans than desecrating a grave. But a further thought: Bush is living proof that you don't have to be smart to go to Yale.

These "societies" should be anachronisms, but unfortunately western society under an elitist, money-based agenda is regressing and taking its humanitarian and spiritual developments back to childish, rudimentary and superstitious ("faith-based") behaviors.

Geronimo's descendents should not have to live under this implication of scorn and derision. "Skull and Bones" could partially redeem its reputation by returning whatever remains it actually has in its possession. I hope its members grow up.

Jeeezus H.......bush is a member of a damned CULT! He's been kissing dead skulls! As has his family; no wonder they are so damned sociopathic! Thats why he can talk about a war being "smooth". Bush is a damn cultist; and a skull kisser!!!!

I think we should force a REPUBLIDEM (Congressional) vote to dig up Prescott's neaderthal skull and give it to Geromimo's kid after we use it as a football to kick through the WHITE HOUSE FRONT WINDOW. Did the robots vote on digging in the Arctic Wildlife Refuge to destroy that last sanctuary yesterday? It would lower the price of gas 1 penny in 10 years and wreck it for the caribou people who still live off the land and the other animals and species but fck them. Thank you BUSHIT ADMINISTRATION destroyers of our world lying murderers.

If one reads up on the Skull and Bones history,u would find that this is actually an older story in the making. When i first heard found out about a year and a 1/2 ago now, i wanted to break into the old hang and see what they got.

Understand a lot has changed when the 70's brought changes at Yale and the S&B secretative society. Note that John Kerry was a Bonesman in a the class 2 years after GW Bush which is why one can believe he quite possibly got the call to lay down in 2004. Actually he went to Iraq when the US Congressional robots voted to accept the rigged electoral vote.

If i remember correctly, every year a lucky Yale student gets tapped to become a Skull and Bonesman. If they make the grade of acceptance, the new members have a cerimony where they share their sexual secrets laying naked in front of all members and then take an oath to S&B above family and state. In the end of the 60's, the elite society SUPPOSEDLY started by another president back in the day changed to be morally and socially acceptable whatever. These Bush administration RUSTERS must be stopped. What they have been most successful at is DIVIDING THE NATION between people who know what's going on and those living in TV la la land or some other non-reality trip. RELIEF WILL BE ON THE WAY ONLY WHEN THEY ARE REMOVED, WE WAVE THE WHITE FLAG AND LEAVE IRAQ, AND BECOME WORLD LEADERS TO SAVE WHAT'S LEFT OF OUR WORLD ENVIRONMENT.

A story i read about old bastard Prescott was he left S&B to work for Brown & Roote who made money off a Nazi death camp. He later took that stock to buy his nephew GW his wealth in OIL. Never did enough research to verify this particular tale however have no reason to believe it is untrue. IMPEACH AND JAIL THE BUSHIT ADMINISTRATION in a court of law for all the criminal and wrong headed actions against American,citizens of the world and all living species that inhabit our planet.

I find it hard to believe they would actually have the real skull and bones of Geronimo in a glass box in some basement someplace..

But I don't think it's impossible either. Look at the time frame, and that we're dealing with rich white kids who can get away with pretty much anything they want (and a stunt like this would be their way of proving it to them selves).

Just another example of how the "rich white elite" in America have screwed over "someone" for their own gain and entertainment. When will the rest of America wake up and stop shitting on them selves and everyone else? All this greed and self-importance and ignorance and disregard.. Makes me sick.

If we're talking about the Prescott Bush who was a Senator and Wall Street partner, that would be W.'s grandfather, not his great-grandfather. If that Prescott Bush's father was also named Prescott Bush, then great-grandfather might be correct.

Anyway, Skull & Bones is like the Masons used to be. Everything's top secret, sor of like Cheney's energy conference in 2001, which was attended by "Kenny Boy" Lay and other American oil sheiks.

In other words, grandson of Geronimo, "Don't ask."
If you push too hard, somebody will yell, "Bring 'em
on," and cowboys-and-Indians stuff will start appearing on our TV sets for the first time in 50 years. Except this time it will be live, and Tonto and the Lone Ranger will be on opposite sides.

i grew up originally rich. at a very young age, i busted my dad for his participation in rich folks' black masses ( actually i just told him never to wear that costume from faust and never to serve that urine-laden wine to all the hooded neighbors )
his withdrawl from this power mongering was the beginning of us leaving the middle class for good old anonymous american poverty. but i got my soul back, and i'm here to tell you that's who started the world wars, killed jfk-rfk-mlk and lennon an harrison, and that what w's all about. period

Comment #15: As a comical anecdote, a comeback wave of cowboy and indian movies in TV land is humerous. How bout a modern Lone Ranger and Tonto remake motion picture about how these 2 oposite people have a augument about immigration, become friends, and then ride their horses to the Capital and start protesting for impeachment and massive changes of our US government. Immigration??? If you are born in the United States U R NATIVE AMERICAN.

The US government broke EVERY TREATY that it ever made with the indiginous nomatic (living in different places throughout the year) Indian tribes in the takeover of America. When i went to Washington in January 2005 to see if the robots in the Republidem Congress would accept the rigged electors in the 4 swing states of FL, NV, NM, and OH, OH was the only one that even came up in discussion. DC has a lot of museums so i used my time to visit.

While Jews and Indians have both experienced GENOCIDE 1st hand, the Jewish museum mainly worked to expose the Nazi occupation of Germany from segrating their population to gassing them and using the mass media as a tool of characterizing humans into lower class of scum of the that must be purged and exterminated from society. Obviously not all German people or people in that time period suscribed to this believed this, however many did.

On the other hand, the Indian museum doesn't focus on their genocide which was mainly caused by diseases that the white man brought. The work to educate the visitor on their different tribal customs and the way they lived in a different time when America was wild and unpolluted, before the current greedy and totally destructive human mismanagement group known as the Bush administration.

Do you accept the unfocused blob as a 757 smashing into the Pentagon? Every American and world citizen must watch the DVD "louder than words" 2nd edition to find out investigations about 9/11 debunks the accepted 9/11 commission story. Not only a coverup, 9/11 was orchestrated by the White House. Go to www.loosechange911.com

GBD.. Another thing I never really knew until recently is that the Pilgrims ran out of food when they got here.. The "Thanksgiving" pictures of Natives and Pilgrims eating together isn't what happened.. The pilgrims started murdering the Natives for their food stores.. Nice, eh?

Come to convert the population to Christianity.. then murder them as "saveges" so you can steal their food..

As a student of history, taking revisionist style of story telling into consideration, i find stories of previous times and ancient civilizations interesting if the writing is compelling. Remember that while the past is the past, hard answers to current problems often lay for the taking.

Take our Founding Fathers who created our form of government. They gave "We the People" the power of what this government does NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

We can vote all these lying criminal murderers and their complying robot office holders out. Bring cases forward in our court system to make a rulings upon a preponderance of evidence that electronic voting machines are UNCONSTITUTION.

We can elect new people who take an oath to represent our interests and time will tell if they are working to restore good American values and reestablish the United States as a world leader to protect our American wild lands and save our fragile environment suffering from massive human pollution.

The world is watching us however they will accept the US as a world leader once again when we IMPEACH and hold the Bush administration accountable for their many corrupt and criminal murderous acts in a court of law.

Whites desecrating Native American graves? Happens all the time, and it is very hard to get the population to rally behind the Native Americans, IF it means someone rich won't get whatever it is they want. Back in Prescott's Bush time, it was even harder.

There are MANY stories among the Native Americans that illustrate the point over and over again. Being from this area, Tennessee (or Tanasi to the natives) the one I am most familiar with is Roland of the Cherokee.

Remember the story from the late 70's about the Tellico Dam, and how it almost didn"t get built because of a tiny fish called the Snail Darter? Those of us who have fought battles with government over land for one reason or another know that the environmental laws (until this administration at least) were the only laws with any real teeth in them - the only way to keep the government from exercising "iminent domain".

But the REAL reason the Cherokee fought the government over the land was that it was sacred to them - and their ancestors were buried there.

I grew up watching "The Lone Ranger" on TV, along with other cowboys-and-Indians serials featuring Hopalong Cassidy and Kit Carson. This was in the 1950s, before the "adult" Westerns like Gunsmoke, Bonanza, Rawhide, Wyatt Earp, Bat Masterson, and Yancy Derringer came along in the 1960s. Other 1950s Western heroes were Gene Autry, Roy Rogers, and Wild Bill Hickok (Guy Madison dressed up in fancy duds from Rodeo Drive, which the real Wild Bill Hickok, a gambler and murderer, wouldn't have been caught dead in).

Most of the early serials portrayed Indians as vicious, vile creatures, and cowboys as paragons of virtue. By the 1960s Hollywood had cleaned up its act and changed the scripts, but there was never any Western serial that told the truth about how Civil War "heroes" like Phil Sheridan and George Armstrong Custer pillaged Indian property for the gold in the ground and for railroad rights-of-way.

This had all occurred during the first Gilded Age, a time when to criticize the government branded one a disloyal traitor, when Congressmen fattened their own coffers with public money, and when robber barons on Wall Street manipulated the markets to their own advantage. Sound familiar?

I wish Geronimo's great-grandson the best of luck. But he's up against a lot of history here.

Having hiked in places such as Pariah Canyon in Utah, the Chiricahua Mountains (Geronimo's last stand) and a slot canyon I found near Ribbon Falls within the Grand Canyon - Ribbon Falls Photo - I have encountered areas where the energies of the Native Americans is so intense that it is chilling.
The slot canyon near Ribbon Falls had so much power that it drove me and my friend out of it whithin minutes of entering. We had been following a stream up what appeared to be a dead end box canyon. When we reached the end we found a spilt in the side of the canyon. The rock wall was several hundred feet high and the slot was about 3 feet wide angleing up at about a 75 degree angle to the ground. The stream ran through the botton of it. The wall was about 100 feet thick. Upon exiting on the far side we found ourselves in another box canyon. We made it about 50 feet before we were both overcome witha strong feeling that something very powerfull did not want us in there. With every step we took the feeling got stronger until we turned and fled in fear.

If these are in fact Geronimo's bones the spirits most certainly scorn those who abuse them.
If they are not his bones it is still a desecration of the dead and they should be returned to where they came from.

I've heard a lot of stupid stuff from you liberals, but this takes the cake. Geronimo's skull stolen by Pres.Bush's grandfather? Oh, please ......

Crazy, crazy, and more crazy!

You people are nuts to believe this B.S. you know.

But anything that sounds bad about Pres.Bush and his family you will believe, no matter how crazy.

Some of you say how sick this is to desecrate the grave of Geronimo, then you talk about kicking Prescott Bush's skull though the WH window.

Grave desecration is a serious crime. In my city an old church's cemetery with graves back to the early 1800's has been vandalized several times. They had to install an alarm system. Once historical markers are ruined, the history is lost forever. Whether white, black, Indian, French, or Spanish (in my city), historical places, including cemeteries, are for all people and should not be destroyed.

But to believe this crazy story, put forth by Bush-haters no doubt, is to let your hatred drive you too far from reason.

LOL.. Poor Mike J.. Did you miss the part where this was being reported on CNN? It's not like "we made it up".. This story is based on a "seemingly" credible letter. It will either be proved as "authentic" or "fake".. and until then, we don't know "for sure", do we?

What's funny is, you seem to think the Bushes being involved in something "disgraceful" is "not possible".. what about Prescott being involved in making a lot of money from slaves in Nazi Germany? TRUE (to the best of my knowledge).. Are you going to write that off as "wacko liberals" making up sotries?

If it's proved to be a "false story", you probably won't see too much talking about it any more.. But, what if it's true? Would you right-wing psychos be able to admit that this is just ONE more item in a chain of disgusting/disgraceful acts the Bush family has engaged in? (I'll save you the trouble of answering.. you won't admit to facts for any reason.. if you could accept truth and fact, you'd not be a Republican)

Bush and Hitler both collected bones!
and while Mike J keeps blowin smoke, America is burning.

I include here an excerpt of the writing of just one person who lived under Hitler during the Holocaust:"

“So why, now, when I hear GWB's speeches, do I think of Hitler? Why have I drawn a parallel between the Nazis and the present administration? Just one small reason -the phrase 'Never forget'. Never let this happen again. It is better to question our government - because it really can happen here - than to ignore the possibility.

“So far, I've seen nothing to eliminate the possibility that Bush is on the same course as Hitler. And I've seen far too many analogies to dismiss the possibility. The propaganda. The lies. The rhetoric. The nationalism. The flag waving. The pretext of 'preventive war'. The flaunting of international law and international standards of justice. The disappearances of 'undesirable' aliens. The threats against protesters. The invasion of a non-threatening sovereign nation. The occupation of a hostile country. The promises of prosperity and security. The spying on ordinary citizens. The incitement to spy on one's neighbors -and report them to the government. The arrogant triumphant pride in military conquest. The honoring of soldiers. The tributes to 'fallen warriors. The diversion of money to the military. The demonization of government appointed 'enemies'. The establishment of 'Homeland Security'. The dehumanization of 'foreigners'. The total lack of interest in the victims of government policy. The incarceration of the poor and mentally ill. The growing prosperity from military ventures. The illusion of 'goodness' and primacy. The new einsatzgrupen forces. Assassination teams. Closed extralegal internment camps. The militarization of domestic police. Media blackout of non-approved issues. Blacklisting of protesters - including the no-fly lists and photographing dissenters at rallies…”

Nevertheless, it is certainly true that George Bush is not Adolf Hitler. He has initiated an illegal war of aggression and, to me, his refusal to disallow torture and his hypocritical policy of “extraordinary rendition” comes uncomfortably close to the concept of deliberate extermination, but the wars he has initiated have not (yet) been responsible for the deaths of anywhere near the fifty million people who died in World War II world-wide.

I am sure it is not, now, Bush’s wish to commit murder in those kinds of numbers. But, he confided to many of his friends that he felt God wanted him to be president. He has also reportedly said both that God speaks to him and God speaks through him. And that God told him to “strike Saddam.” He, like Hitler, has an absolute belief in what he perceives to be his “mission,” and nothing, including whatever number of deaths that perceived “mission” might entail seems likely to deter him from wherever he believes his “path” leads him. He is “resolute.” He will not be swayed from the path “God” has set him upon.

Of skulls and bones: More secrets of the tomb
Native Americans groups fight to recover lost skulls of Geronimo.
BY NOAM RUDNICK

This is from the Yale Herald:

"An axe pried open the iron door of the tomb, and Pat[riarch] Bush entered and started to dig...Pat[riarch] James dug deep and pried out the trophy itself...I showered and hit the hay...a happy man...''

So recounts a document thought to be an internal record from the Skull and Bones Society. "Pat[riarch] Bush" is Prescott Bush, father of an American political dynasty. His "trophy" is the skull of Geronimo, the Native American spiritual and military leader laid to rest in 1909 at Fort Still, Oklahoma, where Bush and fellow Bonesmen were stationed nine years later.

From the AP:
HARTFORD, Conn. - A Yale University historian has uncovered a 1918 letter that seems to lend validity to the lore that Yale University’s ultra-secret Skull and Bones society swiped the skull of American Indian leader Geronimo.

The letter, written by one member of Skull and Bones to another, purports that the skull and some of the Indian leader’s remains were spirited from his burial plot in Fort Sill, Okla., to a stone tomb in New Haven that serves as the club’s headquarters.

According to Skull and Bones legend, members — including President Bush’s grandfather, Prescott Bush — dug up Geronimo’s grave when a group of Army volunteers from Yale were stationed at the fort during World War I. Geronimo died in 1909.

bu$$h press conference with Tony Blair,..
gwb was asked is he made any mistakes,..
he admitted to a few seeming to truly contrite and
apologetic. But that seems not to have been the case,.. it is now explained as a staged event,...
with a snide smirk immediately following the apology event.

No doubt about it, westerns were “the thing” in the 50's and 60's! Indians or no, the ONE taboo you couldn’t break in these westerns on television or movies was to “shoot a man in the back”, or “not give a man a chance to have his final say” before gunnin’ him down!

Not really in sync with cowardly, premptive, war, Huh!

I wonder if that dark irony would have bothered an alzheimer’s free Gipper. Was Toby Keith too young to remember these shows? Would that prissy urban cowboy “put a boot up somebody’s ass” without letting them defend themselves?

What a bunch of ghouls! I'll never see John Kerry through the same eyes again. But please, Cyteria, Hasty Pudding is in no way related to Skull and Bones. Rather, it is a drama club with a humorous attitude, and there's absolutely nothing secret about it. The Fly Club, of course, could well be a different story, but they aren't talking. Once duhbaya is dead and gone I hope someone exhumes his skull, if for no other reason to prove, once and for all, that it's solid bone...

For Larry Bergan: The VERY early cowboy movies on TV were the ones that focused on Indian battles. The ones you cited were in the second phase (late '50s, early '60s), which were called "adult" Westerns.

The common thread connecting all of them was their lack of faith toward history. As someone else pointed out, it was the white man than broke the treaties, not the red man. The white man stole the red man's land for gold and railroads, then wondered why the chief got upset.

It's a bit like our invasions of Vietnam and Iraq. We ask, in effect, "Why can't those insurgent groups understand we're doing this for their own good?" Substitute Geronimo for "insurgent groups" and the comparison is clear.

Hollywood is just like the corporate media, which can't bring itself to deliver the message that bad people do in fact steal elections and do invade sovereign countries for selfish reasons. Hollywood's unique way of lying about the history of the Wild West was to make celluloid heroes out of men who killed for a living in real life...Wild Bill Hickok, Kit Carson, Bat Masterson, Wyatt Earp, the Cisco Kid, etc., turning them into Gene Autry and Roy Rogers.

1. It is fact, that Prescott Bush made the Bush family fortunes in dealing with the Nazi's. The only TV channel I saw this on, was FSTV. FSTV has a lot of guts.

2. Mike J: Has all the hallmarks of an unpatriotic American. You know, they are the kook-aid, flag-waving unAmericans. Keep waving that flag, and spewing your right wing misinformation, Mike J. I guess Mike J thinks CNN is "against the troops" for reporting this, even though that doesn't make sense. Why not use all the rightwing unPatriotic catch phrases, even if they don't make sense? The fact that Mike J even comes here, proves he is not getting the information he seeks, on rightwing sites or in the MSM. Mike J is patting Brad on the back, by visiting this site. Brad thanks you, Mike J.

3. The Jefferson thing. Now Gonzalez supposedly threatened to resign, if Bush wants FBI seized evidence thrown out. Gonzalez wants the evidence. This whole thing was a setup, a Democrat on purpose, so that the evidence WILL be thrown out. A staged disagreement between Bush & Gonzalez, and pick a Democrat to get Democrats or as Mike J call them "liberals", on the side of Bush, to set a precedent that a branch of the executive office (the FBI) cannot intrude on another branch (Jefferson). The outcome is already pre-determined in Jefferson's favor, ONLY to set this precedent so all the future Republicans' offices cannot have evidence seized by the FBI.

Watch the Jefferson case closely. And watch my predicted outcome that Jefferson wins. He is a Democrat patsy in an important "staged" controversy, just like 9/11 was "staged" for future reasons.

This whole Jefferson thing, shows me how much the Republicans think they are in trouble. This was well-thought out, the FBI for the first time ever, raiding a congressman's office.

Did I nail it????????????????????????

Let's watch this stages event between Bush & Gonzalez play out in the MSM, who won't do their job, and they will just cover it but do no investigative journalism. They are the camera's for this 9/11-like staged event. It's going to be big, in the MSM, and on rushlimboob & FOX news. Let's all watch the Republican Noise Machine in real-time, how it works, etc...

Think about this: If Jefferson was a Republican, or if the first-ever FBI raid of a congressman's office was a Republican, this staged event wouldn't work, because of the anti-Republican sentiment due to all their recent corruption. They had to pick a Dem, and a black one, at that!!! The hat trick would've been a black/woman/Dem... oh, that just happened with that congresswoman who supposedly punched that security guard!!!!!!!!!!

Big Dan: No. I am not falling for this bullshit. It was entirely obvious that the end goal here was to clearly define a "protection" of sorts for corrupt congresspersons in the wake of the Abramoff scandal.

Folks like Mike J may ask "Do you think there's a conspiracy behind everything that the Bushes/GOP do?" Yes, Mike J. Yes. And in this case the conspiracy angle is sooooooo apparent. How many Republican congresspersons are in line to be ousted in November due to "ongoing investigations" of corruption? IF, that is, investigation are allowed to proceed and evidence gathered by the federal government. Stall those investigations by setting this Jefferson incident as precedent and you have effectively stalled judgment on numerous corrupt individuals and potentially (not certainly) prevented losing one or both houses come November (of course this is assuming those elections aren't going to be wholesale stolen anyway.)

This has Rove's slimy trail all over it.

Big Dan, at this point I don't care if the cash in Jefferson's freezer was a setup. Don't they have video of him taking a bribe (which seems to be a setup anyway)? As far as I'm concerned, he seems to be a corrupt Democrat, and the fallout from letting him off on the technicality of the feds overstepping their bounds is (obviously now) very dangerous to the effort of gathering evidence and prosecuting further individuals.

Does anyone with a constitutional law background know if the argument by congress against the raid on Jefferson (violating separation of powers) holds water? It certainly looks like congress is growing a backbone (at a convenient time for Republicans) but is it even an argument with merit?

John Wayne on whites and Indians: "I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves."

Nothing selfish about U.S. Indian policies, of course.

The "Geronimo skull" caper has been known and discussed for years and is almost certainly true. Just the kind of thing that the spoiled S&B members would do.

Anytime one group of people says it's ok to kill another group because "we need a place to go", they are showing that Humanity is not innate in all humans.

We didn't need to kill millions of Native Americans to live here, we needed to kill millions of Native Americans because we wanted to rape the land and they wouldn't stand for it.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.. Human beings are a scurge on the planet. A virus that is destroying it's host because it can't get it's head out of it's ass and use it's huge (by comparison to most other living things) brain. We're stuck in instinct mode but no longer being subjected to the same laws of nature we once were (lions and tigers and bears are no longer eating us, disease is no longer wiping us out enmasse', we're living well over twice as long as we used to, etc etc).

Gunfire at the US Capitol becomes a media event
grabbing the media spotlight,.. anything else happen that day that the fascist bu$$hco administration wanted to slip by unnoticed,.. so they could advance their fascist agenda minus
public scrutiny ?

How about the Hayden confirmation to become the Director of Central Intelligence.

Support the troops. Dump the inept administration that got them into this mess.

Analysis: U.S. Braces for Marine Scandal
By ROBERT H. REID, Associated Press Writer
57 MINUTES AGO
BAGHDAD, Iraq - The U.S. military is bracing for a major scandal over the alleged slaying of Iraqi civilians by Marines in Haditha _ charges so serious they could threaten President Bush's effort to rally support at home for an increasingly unpopular war…….
…..The Haditha case involves both the alleged killing of civilians and a purported cover-up of the events that unfolded Nov. 19.
That day, Lance Cpl. Miguel Terrazas, 20, of El Paso, Texas, was killed by a roadside bomb in Haditha, a Sunni Arab city considered among the most hostile areas of Iraq.
After the blast, insurgents attacked a joint U.S.-Iraqi patrol with small-arms fire, triggering a gunbattle that left eight insurgents and 15 Iraqi civilians dead, the Marines said in a statement issued the following day.
That version stood for four months until a videotape shot by an Iraqi journalism student surfaced, obtained by Time magazine and then by Arab television stations. The tape showed the bodies of women and children, some in their nightclothes….
…Some analysts, however, say the killings of civilians also reflect frustration among young troops fighting a difficult war with no end in sight. They say these young fighters have been thrust into an alien culture for repeated tours in a war whose strategy many of them do not understand.
"What we're seeing more of now, and these incidents will increase monthly, is the end result of fuzzy, imprecise national direction combined with situational ethics at the highest levels of this government," said retired Air Force Col. Mike Turner, a former planner at the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

I cannot believe that you are standing for an inept government! Why can't the PEOPLE decide? If you hold elections where we ALL acknowledge that the Republicans are cheating to win including the secondary Jeb Bush...just watch you bunch of F'N losers that hold the flag dear to your heart....you are acknowledging the corrupt hearings to succeed the last bullshot loser...GW Bush the second....get ready for JEB..uh huh.

The bush rally has only begun.....can you imagine not only that the first Bush was near the grassy knowl in Dallas, Texas under the disguise of a citizen and was an agent of the the CIA...and then popped up as a candidate that signed up marksmen to eliminate the Republican candidate....then tried to take over the government and lost only to supplement Dick Cheny who was the initiator of the first President...and who is so Fucking stupid, I cannot believe that you are standing for an inept government! Why can't the PEOPLE decide? If you hold elections where we ALL acknowledge that the Republicans are cheating and murdering to win including the secondary Jeb Bush...just watch...!... you bunch of F'N losers that hold the flag dear to your heart....you are acknowledging the corrupt hearings to succeed the last bullshot loser...GW Bush the second....get ready for JEB..uh huh. If you FUCKING STUPID AMERICANS chose one MORe BUSH we are going to join every country that would like to destroy you! I guarentee that we can illiminate all of life as it should be destroyed. The BUSHES have made sure that ALL OF THEM are secure and will rule the next generation!

You said "We whites always pride ourselves on how much better we live then the indians did, but I keep thinking that it couldn't have been that bad."

I guess it depends on who is defining "bad". Some of my research shows that the Cherokee were progressive for their time.

At a time when in Europe women in general were chattel, the Cherokee woman could "divorce" her mate simply by putting his things outside the home. The men did not have that right. Women in general in Europe did not gain such recognition, respect, and power until a century later.

The Indians are in general more progressive in their view of the earth as well. Understandings they have had for hundreds and thousands of years are just now, in the past few decades, gaining ground in western civilization.

"Do unto the earth as you would have it do unto you" is a paraphrase of that understanding. They know that when a "civilization" appears to be trying to kill the earth, the earth will spank that civilization in very clear, succinct, and eye opening massive catastrophies.

When such catastrophies occur the skulls and bones left to the wind and rains are those of all humans. The earth does not discriminate, retaliate, or any such thing.

It simply removes the virus ("civilization") whereever it is and asks no questions because all life and the earth all all in it together.

There is no way to talk the earth into any other conduct, it does not know how to discriminate. It just knows how to heal itself by removing vast viral infections on its surface.

It's obvious to me that you don't frequent this awesome site too often. If you did, then you would appreciate the dedication of the regulars on here who ARE trying to right the wrongs that have been heaped upon their country by a corrupt system.

I visit here on a daily basis, rarely post as I don't live in the U.S. so have nothing to offer regarding how to solve the voting issues, etc..... but am 100% behind what these patriots are trying to achieve, and I am sure that they don't need to have their noses rubbed in the dirt as to what problems they face on a daily basis.

The America I love and have traveled over the last 40 years is etched deep in my memory bank. From the little towns on old route 66, Arizona's beautiful deserts, the artisans in Santa Fe, the July heat of Las Vegas, California's Apple Valley region, Disneyland, the wild and rugged coastline north to San Fran, across the Golden Gate bridge to Sausalito's houseboats, the redwood forests, Oregon's majesty and the Seattle needle.

I've been to Graceland, stood in line on Bourbon St one December 25th for Christmas dinner and shared the table with a couple from Costa Rica and another couple from Hong Kong. Across the gulf coast into Florida, marvelled at the alligators in the Everglades and the art decor buildings of Miami.

Pitched my tent in the Chesapeake Bay area, where I turned down the offer of a soft shelled crab on a hamburger bun.....yuck....legs, eyes and all....no thanks..!! Toured the White House, paid my respects to the unknown soldier at Arlington cemetry, said 'hi' to Abe, checked out the free museums along the mall and shed some tears at the Vietnam War Memorial.

Stood on the spot where the pilgrims came ashore, drove all the way to Provincetown, took the elevator to the observation deck of the Empire State building, spent vacations in the mountains of Pennsylvania at the home of friends and came back home via the Finger Lake region.

There still are areas I have yet to visit......gotta go see Old Faithful, Mt. Rushmore and the mammoth Indian statue now in progress........geeeeze, old age sucks, I can't remember his name, but I am sure someone will clue me in.

So, on this Memorial Day weekend, I just want to say to y'all south of the border, thanks for the memories and you WILL get your democracy back. I'm waving my American flag at you......and, unlike Jaded, I KNOW the Bushes will NOT rule the next generation...!!

Stupid was Jaded's words, not mine. I think Jaded needs professional help.

Bush has been a scourge upon our great nation, no doubt about it, but Jaded sounds unstable and dangerous. I don't know what nation he hails from, but I don't see this kind posting as beneficial to meaningful discussion.

I’m going to take this opportunity to try, once again to defend my state, despite our being stupid enough to send Bush back into office in 2004 and ignorantly keeping Orrin Hatch, Chris Cannon, and Robert Bennett in office for so long.

I want to recount a funny little story told by my Great, Great, Great, Grandfather about his encounter with an Indian Chief who was maddened by one of his “brethren” who had dumped some bags of wheat gathered by Indian squaws on the ground, sending them crying back to their camp. I like the way he handled the situation.

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Soon after I saw Grosopene, one of the Indian Chiefs coming from the wikiups, in quite a hurry towards me. I knew something was wrong with him. I waited until he came up. At this time I could understand a little of the Indian tongue. He said, “This is our land and this is our water, our grass, our valleys and this is our wheat. I will have this field and this wheat! Mormon whip my squaw. Mormons want to do like Mericats, whip, kill and take Utah land, Utah water and Utah grass. You rob our squaws and throw away their wheat. Me kill you!”

At this he cocked his rifle. As his rifle was a long barreled rifle he had to step back a little so he could shoot. I was about three feet from him. As soon as he stepped back to shoot I sprang forward and caught his rifle by the birch and had as good hold upon the rifle as the Indian. He jerked me around and I jerked him around for two or three minutes. I couldn’t get the gun from him neither could he get it from me. Here I had a struggle with a large and stout Indian for life. After he got out of wind and found I had the best of the scuffle he gave up. He stood a minute eyeing me. Finally he said. “Let us be ticaboo”, and began to laugh.

We then agreed to be friends, each holding his grip on the gun. I told him they should not be molested. He then was satisfied and promised to be ticaboo, with the Mormons. So I made a treaty of peace with the Indian Chief, while we clutched the rifle that was in the hands of the Indian. I then let go the rifle, and he went off to his wikiup satisfied and sent the squaws to the field again to glean. I reported what I had done, to the Bishop, and requested him to use his influence with the brethren to let the squaws have the privilege of gleaning in the fields.

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This is the most prominent statue on display leading up to the steps of our state capitol.

Mike J. denigrates the idea that the skull of S&CB is Geronimo's. I don't think it matters who the individual was. The point is that it is a human skull and was obtained illegally, or at least at this time is posessed illegally. You can legally purchase processed human skulls from specialty medical supply houses, although in many states there are now laws restricting ownership of such body parts, regardless of age, to certain registered institutions. It may be that all this has been followed by S&CB, but I doubt it. It is a gross insult to the deceased person, and if it can't be identified, should be yeilded to the local authorities. In addition, if it isn't Geronimo's, it appears to be from someone who also recieved a severe head wound. Homicide? Unless it is plastic (wouldn't that be fitting?) it must be investigated.