If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. - George Orwell

Tuesday, October 13, 2009

Human Rights Watch Says Sharia Stoning & Lashing Laws are Torture...

A new law mandating death by stoning for adulterers in Indonesia's deeply Islamic Aceh province advocated "torture" and should be overturned, US-based group Human Rights Watch said on Monday.

"Stoning and flogging constitute torture in any circumstances," said Elaine Pearson, the head of Human Rights Watch Asia.

"Imposing these draconian punishments on private, consensual conduct means the government can dictate people's intimate lives."

The law - which also allows punishments of up to 400 lashes for child rape, 100 lashes for homosexual acts and 60 lashes for gambling - was passed unanimously last month in the staunchly Islamic region.

It is yet to be approved by the provincial governor and is opposed by the central government in Jakarta.

The law, based on local interpretations of Islamic or sharia law, is supposed to replace elements of Indonesia's criminal code.

It allows the death penalty for a married person and 100 lashes for an unmarried person found guilty of adultery.

Human Rights Watch urged the central government and a new incoming local parliament in Aceh to overturn the law.

10 comments:

Hypocritical Americans! Isn't there something called "Human rights" When hundreds of thousands of people are killed in Afghanistan and Iraq. They themselves give capital punishment. But if Muslims do that then the Americans bark "Human rights, human rights". Their agenda is to eradicator Islam altogether.

yes. we don't have to follow everything said by the Americans or west. no other country does it (Singapore, China, India, Malaysia, Thailand, you name it... but still they have made remarkable success, even the middle east guys and Africans).

the problem is we are too much dependent on the idea of western interdependence.

e.g. case just yesterday, China announced they are going to put death penalty on 6 violent demonstrates in June protests.

Shaamil, welcome to The Dhivehistan Report ( but I am sure you will run away soon , like other Muslims when faced with facts) - you have to first learn to distinguish between Americans and Human Rights Watch, between the death penalty and flogging, stoning and torture. Human Rights Watch is an international organization. If you read the article carefully you will note that there is a Human Rights Watch Asia also. There are many Asians (and Asian countries) who accept the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.Your anti-American tirade is the first page of your Jihad playbook...I hope you will not run away like other Muslims who have visited us - we are still looking for that Muslims who will debate Islam and answer the questions we have about Islam.

I wonder what information you have got for a debate... Wallahi! With such a debate i will put you in a cofferdam and will doom to your brothers in the darkest corners of this world. You are such douche bag and you are attacking the Muslim because you have got serious problems in your head. You need to see a doctor before you die in that pain.

You know a stressful pain and thoughts are the most violent torturing techniques ever used in the human history...without knowing the fact that you are torturing yourself for the hate mongering attitude that you have for a guiltless community as you call home! Trust me your fate is in your hand and the hatred that you have will eat every bit of your vain before you collapse a painful death. This is the history which showed us and you are one of a douche bag like Hitler, who will kill yourself for that!

Your hatred is nothing but pain for you but not for us or the wider population of Maldives. I guess anyone who loves this country and this community will not give you a chance to divide and conquer its culture, faith, land and its future generations. We have seen such boneheads in the past few centuries but our founding fathers of this country had been fought and it will continue to born such brave children to protect us from intruders, hate mongers, psychopaths like you!

I am posting the information I have for a debate. However, you are ignorant of facts and incapable of debate. You will only hurl wild accusations without answering any questions about Islam. As Muslims you have been trained to ignore the disgusting filth of Islam and instead believe the most horrendous, unethical and barbarous actions of Muhammad as acts of great morality and humanity.Empathy and feeling, logic and reason have been stripped from your mind to be replaced with fear and total submission to Mohammed.

Can you answer one question?Does Islam require the killing of those who leave Islam?

I wonder, which books you were referring into accusing with your hatred driven materials to the Prophet (S). For the sake of our faith, we Muslim does not SUBMIT Muhammed (S) as our saviour but accept the creator of the heavens and the earth.

The first two points that you were highlighted are baseless. If you read history then you will come to know that how remarkable this person was and I assure that you cannot find anyone of such high manner with good morals in the history of the humankind.

I know you are bashing Islam with your grubby mind just for the sake of making a point. The truth to the matter is that Muhammed (S) married to Aisha because of many reasons. When we look into the historical evidence, you will find Aisha was 17 (Allah knows best) when he got married. Knowing that there are lot of garbage in the Internet that he was married when she was at the age of 6 or 9. For the argument sake lets say that he engaged her at the age of 9 but the truth is that he got married her due to many reasons and its not because of the worldly contentment.

Those days the girls were got married because of the cultural forces that existed during that era. However, the history tells us that people got married at young ages because of the family burdens, social tolerance and acceptance, family values, early age responsibilities, lack of social interactions and level educations. Also, there are other factors too.

As you look into a century back of the western culture you will find that people engaged in lawful marriage contracts at early as 11 or 13 years old. This is the fact but as cultures develop people bring amendments to their forefathers laws. In this 21st century, 18 is the lawful age for a marriage contract but still 16 years is OK in some parts of the world. In addition to that, you can find in those era girls took family responsibility at very early age but if you look into 21st century cultures you will find parents treat their 18 year olds as like 9 year old kids and most of them wont know how to cook an egg. This is the true account of our society where you and I live. Further to that, there are other European countries that are going too extreme binding laws for partnerships to be the lawful age as 21.

Here the point is, when culture develops, people tend to bring changes in to their every day life and this becomes the norm of the society. Also, when you go back to the Abram's or David's era you will see many extreme (as you think) cases and especially prophets were having 900 wives lawfully.

Further to that, still 50% (UNDP data) of the marriages in India happen at the under age as specified by the developed world but this behaviour is pretty normal to society where these people live in.

Islam came into Arabia at the Dark Age but it came not only to abolish laws but also build nations with high morals, attitudes and for our eternal life.

About apostasy: “IF” this law comes from Allah (AW) I wont reject and fully support of the truth. The fact is that the guys who commented here on this blog are still alive and I wonder why they are still alive if such a law exsit? I wonder any Maldivian goes through such a law? I am pretty much sure NOT and this happens rarely in other parts of Muslim world! Also, this matter becomes are controversial subject!

The Qur'an and the sayings of the Prophet (s) require Muslims to think critically. Pagans are repeatedly berated for not questioning, for not using reason, even being compared to dumb animals on several occasions!

The Qur'an states:

"...There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is here forth distinct from error...”[2:256]

"And so, O Prophet, exhort them, thy task is ONLY to exhort; thou canst NOT compel them to believe.” [88:21-22]

"Thy duty is to make the message reach them; it is OUR PART to call them to account." [13:40]

"Call thou (all mankind) unto thy Sustainer's path with wisdom and goodly exhortation, and argue with them in MOST KINDLY MANNER...” [16:125]

I leave with you for those verses to think and reflect of what you are saying. You don’t need to take the face value or my wordings. You have given a mind to think and reflect. If you think Atheism and religions like Judaism, Christian or Buddhism is better for you to take heed then take the message of it. But DON’T SPREAD HATRED and impose your belief on others. If you do then there is no difference between you and the ignorant.

ISLAM is MY faith and I will hold onto it, no matter what you say or what you believe. But anyone who does injustice to any individual or group or society or a nation, I am not on his or her sides and I am free from that!

We do not spread hatred. Your Quran, your hadiths, your Islamic Scholars are spreading hatred.Read your Quran (Qaatil = Kill. It does not mean kiss) It is your Islamic Scholars who say "Shari’ah law ultimately requires the killing of those who leave Islam."That is what you are hearing in your mosque on Friday. We are only pointing our finger and asking hard questions.

"The strongest proof of real, extremely despotic power in Islam is the fact that it has been able to invalidate, in such large measure, the entire history (customs, religion, previous way of looking at things, earlier imagination) of the peoples converted to it. It accomplished this only by instilling into them a new religious arrogance which was stronger than everything and induced them to be ashamed of their past."

"Is the fate of gradually becoming an Arab nation the Maldive Islanders' only option?This is the Maldivian dilemma since they made the decision to accept the Arabs as their undisputed cultural masters and began to sever their links with their own past.Nowadays Maldivians are culturally restless people who can never be at ease.The intense indoctrination of the 1980s and 90s, when Islamization was imposed on the islands at a much higher gear than at any time in the nation's history, has made Maldivians feel uncozy in their own country.The changes brought about have been of such magnitude and in such a short time, that there is now a whole young generation of Divehi people who, having not known how things were previously, take for granted that their home nation has always been so orthodox and impersonal."

- Xavier Romero-Frias in THE MALDIVE ISLANDERS, A Study of the Popular Culture of an Ancient Ocean Kingdom

"The Islamic conquerors took everything from the newly conquered: money, language, culture, traditions, wives, children, values. Everything. The nature of Islam is that it replaces cultures wherever it gets a foothold."

150 Maldivian Adulteresses To Be Flogged

Stop the Islamic religious duty of Fuc-Kendun in Maldives!

When a husband pronounced his wife divorce three times “thrice divorced” and wants to remarry her, he cannot do it lawfully until he pays another man “Al Mohalil”(which means the legalizer) who marries this thrice divorced woman and (had sexual intercourse or consummating the marriage with her) and then dismisses her so that she may lawfully marry her former husband.

In Quran sura al-Baqara 2:230 says,”…So if a husband divorced his wife he cannot after that remarry her until after she has married another husband, and he has divorced her, in that case there is no blame on either of them if they reunite…”

Abu Dawud (2142) - "The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife."

ISLAMIC FUK-KENDUN IS A MORAL AND PHYSICAL RAPE.

In Islam a husband can reunite with his wife after divorcing her under this condition: When a woman is divorced irrevocably, she can not return to her husband until she marries (including having sexual intercourse) with another man. "Narrated Aisha: The wife of Rifaa Al-Qurazi came to Allah's Apostle and said, 'O Allah's Apostle, Rifaa divorced me irrevocably. After him I married Abdur-Rahman bin Az-Zubair Al-Qurazi who proved to be impotent.' Allah's Apostle said to her, 'Perhaps you want to return to Rifaa? Nay (You cannot return to Rifaa ) until you and Abdur-Rahman (the impotent man) engage in sexual intercourse! '" Vol. 7:186

The making of the ancient Dhivehi island people into semi-Arab Muslims

How Dhivehi minds are groomed to become lifelong zombies that they can't apply minimum logic and reason to discover numerous obvious errors and contradictions in the Quran and Hadith and that they consider the most horrendous, unethical and barbarous actions of Muhammad as acts of great morality and humanity...

Did you know ?

Until about 100 years ago in Divehi we didn't say "salaan kurun"?We said Namaskaarakurun or Swasti(Swasti = Peace)

men & women are equal in Islam?

Women cannot touch the Koran during certain days because they are unclean

Dhivehistanis want to conquer the world for Allah

"Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies..." -- Koran 8:60

Muslim Arab missionaries and Dhivehi collaborateurs

Muslims cite Islamic taboos and Koranic injections as more important than freedom of thinking. Freedom of expression is and always has been subject to Islamic taboos. Islamic taboos exist to keep Muslims from thinking independently and these taboos are enforced by Mullahs and Islamic rulers. Those who oppose are silenced or beheaded. Public expression against Mohammed or Allah will be labeled as apostate and those dissenters will be severely punished. Strict censorship is imposed on TV, film, magazines and newspapers by religious bodies and by the government.

"If a book be false in its facts, disprove them; if false in its reasoning, refute it. But for God's sake, let us freely hear both sides if we choose". -Thomas Jefferson, third US president, architect, and author (1743-1826)

“If these writings of the Greeks agree with the book of God, they are useless and need not be preserved; if they disagree, they are pernicious and ought to be destroyed”. - Umar the Caliph of Islam after the conquest of Alexandria in 641, ordered the great library to be destroyed.

The books were then used to heat the furnaces of the numerous bath-houses of the city.

Maldives Minister of Islamic Affairs says

"Shari’ah law ultimately requires the killing of those who leave Islam."

All smiles after being found guilty of massacring 52 Hindus in a 2003 bombing, Hanif Anees is also quite dedicated to his religion. (Care to guess which one?)

Maldives Constitution: No Citizenship for non-Muslims

Article 9, Section D : “a non-Muslim may not become a citizen of the Maldives.”

By denying citizenship to some people on the basis of their religion, the country is violating religious minorities’ freedom of worship.

“This denial of citizenship to non-Muslims is an extraordinarily harsh measure which places the Maldives among the worst countries in the world in regards to the legal foundation for freedom of religion and belief,”

What does the Koran say about Jihad?

In Islam's 3 Holy Books: 97% references to jihad relate to holy war; while only 3% relate to inner struggle

"Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world." -- Sir Winston Churchill - circa 1899