I'll live, because two-thirds of Star Trek are far worse than the two movies made by Abrams.

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You mean the single movie that he made twice?

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You do realize that The Motion Picture is a remake of The Changling, right? That Riker and Troi are recycled Decker and Illia? That Q is refried Trelane? JJ has a looooong way to go before matching Gene Roddenberry's record for recycling.

I've got close to seven-hundred hours of TV Star Trek sitting on my DVD/Blu-ray shelf. I'm pretty happy with getting a new movie every three-to-four years.

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I've seen every Star Trek series except for Voyager. I've tried, but I just can't finish it. By that time, they overdid Star Trek. Too many series in too short of time. It became diluted.

I'd like to see a new series with new writers, someone who's familiar with Trek's history but won't use the same rehashed technobabble nonsense or the weak plots. I got sick of seeing these same scenarios:

When they are trying to turn something on:
"Sorry, (something) is off-line!"

When they are trying to turn something off:
"Sorry, (something) controls are fused!"

For me, Star Trek paints on such a broad canvas, that people take from it what they want - for some people it's all about the characters, some are all about the ships and the tech, or the social commentary, the morality tales, the politics of the various races, the list goes on - it's a rich well of ideas and tales to tell thats what makes it the enduring legend that it is. By comparison, Star Wars is very much a good vs evil adventure story that has been big screen adventures only in the main, if they ever made a Star Wars series, you can bet it would have a lot of Trek elements to it as it would have to dig deeper into the various characters/races and their stories/politics etc.

By comparison, Star Wars is very much a good vs evil adventure story that has been big screen adventures only in the main, if they ever made a Star Wars series, you can bet it would have a lot of Trek elements to it as it would have to dig deeper into the various characters/races and their stories/politics etc.

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Star Wars has a Clone Wars series. I know its a cartoon but it seems sort of politically complicated like SW1,2,3. I don't know how the kids keep track of it.

You do realize that The Motion Picture is a remake of The Changling, right? That Riker and Troi are recycled Decker and Illia? That Q is refried Trelane? JJ has a looooong way to go before matching Gene Roddenberry's record for recycling.

JJ has a looooong way to go before matching Gene Roddenberry's record for recycling.

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JJ's recycle rate is 100%. Can't beat that record.

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I just watched STID and a few days ago watched ST09. Not the same film. A few similar elements is about it.

TOS loved to recycle. Did we really need two episodes where a mad man takes over an asylum? Or a society ran by an evil AI? God like aliens who test the crew? Then we have episodes across several series where someone falls in love with a woman who's arranged marriage will end some sort of conflict. Being on TV won't prevent recycling.

Star Trek was created as a TV series and that's where it belongs. Weekly episodes, each with a "message" or "moral to the story" that gets people to exercise their brains.

The problem with Star Trek these days is that there are only movies that come out every 3-4 years. Because of that, they use the same formula each time. "Evil Villain hell bent on revenge - causes massive death and destruction with lots of explosions!"

Until Star Trek comes back to TV, we are going to have to ignore Gene's vision and tolerate the same movie over and over again.

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totally agree with that.

dont help that the recent two movies are in the alternate, and while i accept DS8 was a more darker trek in tied in with the original idea even with arcs as opposed to stand alone episodes with a message.

For me the movies are you say hollywood crash bang wallop type stuff and the last movie a repeat formula of the previous

Star Trek was created as a TV series and that's where it belongs. Weekly episodes, each with a "message" or "moral to the story" that gets people to exercise their brains.

The problem with Star Trek these days is that there are only movies that come out every 3-4 years. Because of that, they use the same formula each time. "Evil Villain hell bent on revenge - causes massive death and destruction with lots of explosions!"

Until Star Trek comes back to TV, we are going to have to ignore Gene's vision and tolerate the same movie over and over again.

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totally agree with that.

dont help that the recent two movies are in the alternate, and while i accept DS8 was a more darker trek in tied in with the original idea even with arcs as opposed to stand alone episodes with a message.

For me the movies are you say hollywood crash bang wallop type stuff and the last movie a repeat formula of the previous

1. Must adhere to Roddenberry-esque principles. Each episode should have a 'moral' [however light/heavy], the show should be a vessel for a look at the Human Condition & ponderings on ethics, morality and general philosophy. Generally, the show should encourage us to be as good as we can be while growing and learning.

2. It must NOT be simply about action. Violence is the last resort, least preferred method. It must not be overtly sexual or gratuitous.

So, for my rules....

TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY & ENT and movies I-X are 'real Star Trek'.

JJ is producing a shallow, soulless version of Trek necromancy in my opinion.

2. It must NOT be simply about action. Violence is the last resort, least preferred method. It must not be overtly sexual or gratuitous.

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Have you even seen TOS? The show was about as overtly sexual and gratuitous as you could get away with in the 60s. I think Gene loved to push the censor to the limit. If they said no nipples Gene would suggest they cover the nipples and nothing else. No skirt was ever short enough for Gene.

Violence happened and not always as the last resort. Kirk was more than happy to conduct a campaign of sabotage against the Klingons on Organia. Scotty started a barfight because his ship was insulted.

2. It must NOT be simply about action. Violence is the last resort, least preferred method. It must not be overtly sexual or gratuitous.

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Have you even seen TOS? The show was about as overtly sexual and gratuitous as you could get away with in the 60s. I think Gene loved to push the censor to the limit. If they said no nipples Gene would suggest they cover the nipples and nothing else. No skirt was ever short enough for Gene.

Violence happened and not always as the last resort. Kirk was more than happy to conduct a campaign of sabotage against the Klingons on Organia. Scotty started a barfight because his ship was insulted.

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Yeah you can rest assured I have seen all of TOS.

I think ENT was far worse than anything TOS did, as you said it did what it could get away with in the '60's [which wasn't much]. I dont see why you think some of the TOS outfits are overtly sexual. Revealing yeah but I think there is a world between them and watching a chick strip down to her underwear...for the sake of it.

A barfight and a sabotage campaign are all intrinsic to plot: there are dozens of TOS episodes where Kirk specifically tries to resolve problems without resorting to violence or atleast shows remorse at the necessity. Its easy to point to two examples and scream 'OMFG VIOENCE!' but centering entire plots around it, simply for the sake of it, is not Star Trek and I do not think TOS really had that problem.

2. It must NOT be simply about action. Violence is the last resort, least preferred method. It must not be overtly sexual or gratuitous.

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Have you even seen TOS? The show was about as overtly sexual and gratuitous as you could get away with in the 60s. I think Gene loved to push the censor to the limit. If they said no nipples Gene would suggest they cover the nipples and nothing else. No skirt was ever short enough for Gene.

Violence happened and not always as the last resort. Kirk was more than happy to conduct a campaign of sabotage against the Klingons on Organia. Scotty started a barfight because his ship was insulted.

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Yeah you can rest assured I have seen all of TOS.

I think ENT was far worse than anything TOS did, as you said it did what it could get away with in the '60's [which wasn't much]. I dont see why you think some of the TOS outfits are overtly sexual. Revealing yeah but I think there is a world between them and watching a chick strip down to her underwear...for the sake of it.

A barfight and a sabotage campaign are all intrinsic to plot: there are dozens of TOS episodes where Kirk specifically tries to resolve problems without resorting to violence or atleast shows remorse at the necessity. Its easy to point to two examples and scream 'OMFG VIOENCE!' but centering entire plots around it, simply for the sake of it, is not Star Trek and I do not think TOS really had that problem.

2. It must NOT be simply about action. Violence is the last resort, least preferred method. It must not be overtly sexual or gratuitous.

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Have you even seen TOS? The show was about as overtly sexual and gratuitous as you could get away with in the 60s. I think Gene loved to push the censor to the limit. If they said no nipples Gene would suggest they cover the nipples and nothing else. No skirt was ever short enough for Gene.

Violence happened and not always as the last resort. Kirk was more than happy to conduct a campaign of sabotage against the Klingons on Organia. Scotty started a barfight because his ship was insulted.

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Yeah you can rest assured I have seen all of TOS.

I think ENT was far worse than anything TOS did, as you said it did what it could get away with in the '60's [which wasn't much]. I dont see why you think some of the TOS outfits are overtly sexual. Revealing yeah but I think there is a world between them and watching a chick strip down to her underwear...for the sake of it.

A barfight and a sabotage campaign are all intrinsic to plot: there are dozens of TOS episodes where Kirk specifically tries to resolve problems without resorting to violence or atleast shows remorse at the necessity. Its easy to point to two examples and scream 'OMFG VIOENCE!' but centering entire plots around it, simply for the sake of it, is not Star Trek and I do not think TOS really had that problem.

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Of course those costumes were overtly sexual. That was the point of making them revealing. To tease and titillate. To show as much flesh as possible. He wasn't making the show for the local Convent.

If Gene thought he could get way with a chick stripping down to her underwear in TOS, he would have done it. As it was he did have Yeoman Barrows change from a torn uniform to a princess costume. I think McCoy might have sneaked a peak. In TMP the Ilia probe appears on the Enterprise nude in a sonic shower. (Which Kirk observes) She exits and instead of changing into something practical, dons the shortest robe possible and continues to wear it till the end of the film.

My point is TOS had fight scenes because the show was an action adventure show. It was part of the genre. Kirk showing regret or remorse doesn't change that. The films are no different. The violence in them is just as "intrinsic".