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Oddly enough I did the "journey to the north" quest just the other day, I know I have a picture of the columns with the spiralling serpents, I'll try to remember to post a screenie when I get home from work.

The "winged men" I refer to aren't so much "winged" as "wearing winged helms", and even when I looked at them last night I wondered if they were more horns or branches. I'll see if I can't take a wander to Slavers' to get a screenie of that one as well.

The Dwarves seem to follow a lore of their own. They seem to worship the Great Dwarf almost exclusively. I can't recall the dwarves ever refering to the other gods. I could be wrong, like I said I simply can't recall this ever happening.

The Asura know about the Destoryers - for all that they are basically and atheist race. I have wondered whether perhaps the Destroyers are a new thing for them or not, and whether their alliance with the Dwarves is new or not. However this is OT. I think it is crystal clear the Asura did NOT build the underground cities. I think it is also clear the Dwarves did not build them.

The Forgotten are more serpents than men. I hope if I can grab a picture of the statues I refer to my odd thought from my previous post might be more clear.

The margonites are a different kettle of fish because they took on the apperance of their god, rather than being created this way - this is what I meant earlier.

Of course the other question to keep in mind is, were the creators of the underground cities responsible for the HoM as well?

Lozza, King Jalishammer refers to grenth in ThunderHead Keep, he says "The left hand of Grenth comes for us." during the 3rd wave. They do believe in the same belief system as the humans, they just worship the Great Dwarf as their Patron God *and another god to the original 5/6*. Even Vizier Khilbron mentions that the Great Forge *the dwarves' afterlife* is real and in the Rift.

As for the serpent thing, it was a misunderstanding and I know what you were talking about. I don't get where you were going with the Destroyers though, the Destroyers are their enemies, so yes they know about them, but they aren't deities *except to the crazy Charr Shamans*. There was at least a peace between the Asura and Dwarves, I believe I read somewhere that after the fall of Sorrow's Furnace, the Deldrimor Dwarves went back to mining and, between the time of Prophecies and Eye of the North, met some asuras.

As for your Tunnels and HoM creator question, I think they are different because the Eye of the North *and HoM* has a different architecture look to it then the underground areas.

Azazel, I am inclined to believe you about the tunnels and HoM, the architecture does look very different, my question stands though, both would have taken an ancient, and powerful race to build them. Is it possible, despite the difference in style, that the same society created them? Remember Europe went through several architectural styles in the matter of a few hundred years. How many powerful and ancient races could there be?

My point about the Dwarves and the Asura is this:
Were the Asura aware of the destroyers BEFORE meeting the Dwarves? Lore is not just religion, it isn't just myth, it's real history too. The Dwarves had their legends and prophecies about the Destroyers, do the Asura have a history with them too?

Lozza, personally, I think that it was the Seer's race that created the Eye of the North, its completely impossible to know who did though, same with the tunnels. I think the most logical idea would be that it was the Seers that made the Eye of the North, and the tunnels were created by races that live near the area, just a very long time ago, but its still up to guesses.

The Dwarves didn't know about the Destroyers, per se, they knew about the Great Destroyer, a rival to the Great Dwarf, but never knew of an army, at least as far as we know. I think the Asura only knew about the Destroyers from when they awoke, as they have been in the room where the Great Destroyer woke up in for a very long time to power the gate system.