rogers has actually beat some great prospects like ron humphrey, kimbo beat straight up bums. brett rogers was fed to the big boys too soon imo. feeding him right to overeem right after losing to fedor was a huge mistake

no one is making excuses, people/fedor fans are stating how this thread is nothing but a reach and giving reasons how this loss doesn't mean any of the ufwwe heavyweights would beat fedor

arlovski and sylvia weren't even washed up at the time they fought fedor.

and fabricio isn't a ufc washout, he was let go prematurely and only lost twice in the ufc. against arlovski and against junior dos santos. and with that said, werdum STILL has a better resume than all of the ufwwe heavyweights. he's got wins over antonio silva, gabriel gonzaga (twice), brandon vera, alistair overeem, and both emelianenko brothers.

Sylvia is the most accomplished UFC HW champ ever. He was coming off a back and forth fight with Big Nog for the title. At the time, he wasn't the joke he is now. That happened after Fedor zulu'd him.

But say what you want about Sylvia, Arlovski was considered a big loss for the UFC when he left. It wasn't until he was ko'd by Rogers that Dana finally decided he wouldn't gladly give him a handjob and a UFC hat if he ever wanted to come back.

I'm not even Fedor's biggest fan. I like him and think he's the best ever to this point, but he isn't one of the guys I go apeshit over.

Dude lost this fight fair and square, no question. Werdum is not the best hw in the world, no question. I think he deserved to be ranked in top 10, but probably at like spot 10.

But if you really believe Fedor is and was always smoke and mirrors, you are not to be taken seriously as an MMA fan. If you believe a rematch with Werdum couldn't go very differently, you're a joke. If you believe he doesn't still have the skillset to give anyone on the UFC roster problems, step your mma game up.

i never, ever said fedor was smoke and mirrors. i like him. i think he's great. definitely #1 at the moment as far as heavyweights go - even after this fight. i just hate when people hype him to god status like nobody could ever touch him. just like when people hype brock to be this guy who's gonna take everyone down easily. i think brock can beat anyone due to his takedown skills - size - power - and when he's on top and starts throwing punches, it's hard to stop.

i think fedor can beat anyone cuz he has great ground game and incredible striking - but he's not invincible, and, as we saw on saturday, even he can get excited and get caught - just like everyone criticizes lesnar for doin against mir in his second fight ever.

and kid, the fedor - werdum fight could go differently. or, now that werdum knows what to do instead of tryin to swing with fedor, he could play it to get it into a clinch/ground game and still win.

i want to see a heavyweight champ that goes through everyone of contender status before i give them gsp or silva status.

shit it looked like a MIr Vs Brock 1 to me....Fedor was acting like a newbie got all excited when he dropped him an shit and jumped straight into it.....an amateur move really which is surprising coming from him.....

I wouldnt say this ends his career it was hardly that bad of a loss....it was a dumb error that a good bjj guy took advantage of....I bet Werdum couldnt believe it when Fedor jumped head first into it hahaha thought it was his lucky day init

i never, ever said fedor was smoke and mirrors. i like him. i think he's great. definitely #1 at the moment as far as heavyweights go - even after this fight. i just hate when people hype him to god status like nobody could ever touch him. just like when people hype brock to be this guy who's gonna take everyone down easily. i think brock can beat anyone due to his takedown skills - size - power - and when he's on top and starts throwing punches, it's hard to stop.

i think fedor can beat anyone cuz he has great ground game and incredible striking - but he's not invincible, and, as we saw on saturday, even he can get excited and get caught - just like everyone criticizes lesnar for doin against mir in his second fight ever.

and kid, the fedor - werdum fight could go differently. or, now that werdum knows what to do instead of tryin to swing with fedor, he could play it to get it into a clinch/ground game and still win.

i want to see a heavyweight champ that goes through everyone of contender status before i give them gsp or silva status.

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Yeah.

Only fighter alive I will not bet against is GSP until age takes his explosive takedowns away.

But even then, I think if the right person flies across the ring and goes all Jack Demspey on him, you never know.

Only fighter alive I will not bet against is GSP until age takes his explosive takedowns away.

But even then, I think if the right person flies across the ring and goes all Jack Demspey on him, you never know.

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i mean, everyone has to lose at some point, but GSP is so grounded and patient now. he and silva i think have really mastered their forms of fighting because they're just able to control opponents - bigger or smaller - at will.

hence why i think brock is/can be so dangerous. he's a much better wrestler than gsp, and moves just as fast for takedowns. he just needs a ground game and he'll be great. but he's still wet behind the ears. we'll see what happens saturday.

just hope the HW division can find a good group and get them all together.

i mean, everyone has to lose at some point, but GSP is so grounded and patient now. he and silva i think have really mastered their forms of fighting because they're just able to control opponents - bigger or smaller - at will.

hence why i think brock is/can be so dangerous. he's a much better wrestler than gsp, and moves just as fast for takedowns. he just needs a ground game and he'll be great. but he's still wet behind the ears. we'll see what happens saturday.

just hope the HW division can find a good group and get them all together.

i mean, everyone has to lose at some point, but GSP is so grounded and patient now. he and silva i think have really mastered their forms of fighting because they're just able to control opponents - bigger or smaller - at will.

hence why i think brock is/can be so dangerous. he's a much better wrestler than gsp, and moves just as fast for takedowns. he just needs a ground game and he'll be great. but he's still wet behind the ears. we'll see what happens saturday.

just hope the HW division can find a good group and get them all together.

The thing I see about Brock that really reminds me he's human is that for as big, strong, and accomplished as he is - people have been able to escape dominant positions he's had them in. Dude has probably stayed in mount only an average of 3 seconds in his fights.

GSP has mastered the art of not only taking people down, but keeping them down.

The thing I see about Brock that really reminds me he's human is that for as big, strong, and accomplished as he is - people have been able to escape dominant positions he's had them in. Dude has probably stayed in mount only an average of 3 seconds in his fights.

GSP has mastered the art of not only taking people down, but keeping them down.

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that's why i say brock is still young. in wrestling it's all about getting in and out of positions and just pinning someone without going for subs. brock has been able to pin everyone except couture - who we all know is a superb wrestler. then he just does GnP until they submit or get knocked out.

to be well-versed, he'll have to learn submissions and hip control before he's truly a master on the ground. he has great takedowns and can use his body, but that won't always work.

I cant believe people are saying Fedor is greatest ever. Crazy. Anyone who loses like that cannot be called the Greatest ever. Mistake or not, the Greatest dont make those mistakes. Couture never did. Gracie never did. I dont understand. Fedor is bad ass. But obviously some of you guys are on his nuts. ]
Anyway, being mexican. I wanna add Cain Velasquez. He's a few fights away from being a true Contender. GO MEXICANS!!!

I cant believe people are saying Fedor is greatest ever. Crazy. Anyone who loses like that cannot be called the Greatest ever. Mistake or not, the Greatest dont make those mistakes. Couture never did. Gracie never did. I dont understand. Fedor is bad ass. But obviously some of you guys are on his nuts. ]
Anyway, being mexican. I wanna add Cain Velasquez. He's a few fights away from being a true Contender. GO MEXICANS!!!

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uhh, are you serious?

couture has ten losses. he even lost to alistair overeems brother, who sucks.

every great fighter makes mistakes, everybody makes mistakes, period. its all part of the game. nobody is perfect. fedor will still go down as the greatest of all time, especially if he comes back stronger from this lossPosted via Mobile Device

Fedor fans been delsusional for years, before he fought sylvia and alrovski, people were acting like the win over few man chew was impressive..lmaoo

smfh

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you know what tho? no other hw near his ranking would have took that fight because of the mans size an strength.. more so then his ranking, it was a lose/lose situation, he wins.. he was supposed to win, he loses.. he loses to a 1-0 mma fighter whos more of a freakshow

honestly i think hong man choi coulda beat a few hw who've been top ranked, based on his size advantage