Comments on: Online bookmaker: Crosby favored to win Hart Trophyhttp://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/20/online-bookmaker-crosby-favored-to-win-hart-trophy/
ProHockeyTalk on NBCSports.comSun, 02 Aug 2015 20:24:36 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: chanceoffleury1http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/20/online-bookmaker-crosby-favored-to-win-hart-trophy/comment-page-1/#comment-183677
Tue, 21 May 2013 01:29:04 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2049639#comment-183677I’m a little surprised that Subban is favored to win the Norris. Aside from goals, either Letang or Suter are better in every other aspect of the game pretty much. I think Suter definitely deserves the Norris. He is comparable to Letang and Subban offensively, but is significantly better on defense. I think Letang is smack dab in the middle of Suter and Subban defensively. Suter had a lot less to work with offensively than Letang or Subban, too.
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Tue, 21 May 2013 01:02:19 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2049639#comment-183668It seems to have become a mixture of the two. A lot like how the Selke Award is not strictly given to the best defensive forward (even though it reads that in the description), rather it incorporates a player’s two-way/three-zone ability. These awards seem to get into a grey area that makes it very hard to select a winner.
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Tue, 21 May 2013 00:44:34 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2049639#comment-183665Yes!!! If only the Pens were terrible then Crosby could get some kind of recognition as the HANDS DOWN, BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD. Damn you success!!!
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Tue, 21 May 2013 00:38:11 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2049639#comment-183661Why was Gretzky chosen 9 times, 8 times with Edm? They had a team full of superstars, and probably more than the Pens.
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Tue, 21 May 2013 00:01:02 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2049639#comment-183651Those who believe Crosby,or any other player, would be chosen MVP just because he racks up assists on a team full of superstars doesn’t understand the game, and the spirit of this award. It’s very easy to assess offensive output. Any 12 year old who watches hockey can tell you that the Caps made the playoffs because Ovi was red hot. If that’s all it takes to be MVP, then, case closed. Give it to GR8. 99 won it 9 times, and he played with a team full of superstars. Were there no teams that made the playoffs because of one player those 9 years?
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Mon, 20 May 2013 23:24:41 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2049639#comment-183642Thought that was a bit off subject
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Mon, 20 May 2013 23:00:16 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2049639#comment-183635The last 7 years the Hart has gone to either the Richard or Ross winner. But now if Crosby wins it you think that will be what makes it a “points” trophy.
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Mon, 20 May 2013 22:05:08 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2049639#comment-183624Obviously a player should be able to win the MVP award even if his team misses the playoffs, but a player also shouldn’t be a shoe in to win just because he had a lot of points. Overall value should be judge on things other then how many secondary assists a guy has.

A player who carries a very so-so team to the playoffs is more valuable then a guy who pilles up assists on a team full of super stars (a fact thats often ignored about Crosby).

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Mon, 20 May 2013 21:59:27 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2049639#comment-183621Exactlly. The Hart Trophy is not about the best player, but the most valuable player. Crosby doesn’t have as much value as Ovechkin or Tavares to his team. The Pens are a Cup contender with or without Crosby… as where the Islanders and Caps aren’t even playoff teams without Ovi and Taveras.

There are three trophys that are “Best Player” trophys: The Rocket Richard (most goals), Art Ross (most points), and the Ted Lindsay award for best player as voted by the members of the NHL Players Association.

Those are awards for best players, and I fully expect Crosby to win the Ted Lindsay. If he wins the Hart though, then the award no longer has any meaning and isn’t awarded as it is suppose to be. If Crosby wins, the Hart is just another points total based trophy… and thats not what it was intended as.

Dont worry about him. All he does on here is complain about moves the pens make on UNRELATED articles.

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Mon, 20 May 2013 19:25:17 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2049639#comment-183559They only have one timeout he would have been charged with delay of game
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Mon, 20 May 2013 18:47:17 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2049639#comment-183542Anyone have an idea why Bylsma decided to try to win with defense last night? (Until the last 30 seconds of regulation, that is).

Didn’t they win by being aggressive offensively in the first two games? Trying to win by a 1-0 count by laying back on defense when you’ve got that much firepower makes no sense to me.

And if ever a team needed a timeout with half-a-minute left in a game – Bylsma could learn a lot by copying McLean.

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Mon, 20 May 2013 18:31:25 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2049639#comment-183533Its the best player vs. MVP argument. Crosby was the best player in hockey all year, with NO exceptions except when he was hurt. I agree about the value aspect though. Pens have other pieces…
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Mon, 20 May 2013 18:30:16 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2049639#comment-183532This trophy is awarded to the player judged most valuable to his team. If the only measurement of value is whether or not your team makes the playoff, then you have a case. However, I doubt that this is the case. As a voter I would think most would look at the whole season to assess a player’s value to his team.
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Mon, 20 May 2013 18:18:16 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2049639#comment-183520Caps nor Islanders make the playoffs without Ovechkin or Tavares, respectively.

Penguins would have made the playoffs without Crosby.

You can make a strong case for Ovechkin or Tavares, but not for Crosby. The Pens are certainly better with him but he’s not practically doing it alone the way Ovechkin and Tavares were.

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Mon, 20 May 2013 18:14:31 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2049639#comment-183516Additionally, tanger had the same points in less games.
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