2011-06-15T00:00:05 ali1234: see package chrome-meego-extension
2011-06-15T00:00:21 what about it?
2011-06-15T00:00:43 that's where the message comes from i believe
2011-06-15T00:00:51 it's already reported?
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2011-06-15T00:01:45 java is not in the meego repos?
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2011-06-15T00:02:18 "JAVA+YOU"
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2011-06-15T00:02:35 no, java is oracles
2011-06-15T00:02:36 ...and it has no idea what OS i am running
2011-06-15T00:02:47 peraps openjdk
2011-06-15T00:02:49 i don't see "meego"
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2011-06-15T00:02:59 you have to use the fedora one
2011-06-15T00:03:07 this sucks from a UX perspective, i hope you guys realise this
2011-06-15T00:03:15 there isn't any fedora one
2011-06-15T00:03:22 there's only "linux"
2011-06-15T00:03:34 the one that says 32 bit RPM format
2011-06-15T00:03:48 i will take the bin file
2011-06-15T00:03:51 run the script as the regular user so it doesn't install
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2011-06-15T00:03:56 and just unpacks the rpms
2011-06-15T00:04:04 meh
2011-06-15T00:04:09 then throw out the javadb rpms and just install the jdk one
2011-06-15T00:04:13 i will justtake the bin file and install it properly
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2011-06-15T00:04:34 "properly" means it does stuff you may not want
2011-06-15T00:04:48 like install a bunch of javadb rpms that i'll never use
2011-06-15T00:04:56 well, installing fedora rpms on a not-fedora distro is pretty high on my list of "things i don't want"
2011-06-15T00:05:25 that's kind of like saying breathing air is on the high list of things you don't want
2011-06-15T00:05:37 you may drown trying
2011-06-15T00:05:38 hmm what's this
2011-06-15T00:05:55 "* please use the 32-bit version for Java applet and Java Web Start support"
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2011-06-15T00:06:02 i bet that's why it doesn't work on my ubuntu
2011-06-15T00:06:37 basically since nobodys heard about meego, if you go to any site, be it adobe, oracle, or google to install all their must have software you'll be installing Fedora RPMs
2011-06-15T00:06:48 except google labels theirs Fedora or OpenSUSE
2011-06-15T00:06:49 no i won't
2011-06-15T00:06:58 i'll be downloading the package that says "all other"
2011-06-15T00:07:08 the one that's a .bin file
2011-06-15T00:07:15 the one that doesn't go anywhere near the package manager
2011-06-15T00:07:32 actually i've never seen software distributed as rpm packages before
2011-06-15T00:07:41 it's normally a deb file or a tgz
2011-06-15T00:07:48 that's silly. java updates regularly and i want to let RPM do the updating
2011-06-15T00:07:57 i didnt think anyone was insane enough to try to make cross platform RPMs
2011-06-15T00:08:14 actually, lots of people try that
2011-06-15T00:08:18 considering how easily RPM explodes even with native distro RPMs
2011-06-15T00:08:20 it's.... tricky
2011-06-15T00:08:21 same way i've done it for decades on fedora or RHEL boxen, some of which were for major sites
2011-06-15T00:08:26 boy i sure am in trolling mode today
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2011-06-15T00:09:15 also, if you just download a rpm from a website and install it with no repo backing it, you won't get any updates
2011-06-15T00:09:34 Well it googles case their chrome RPM claims it's for Fedora or OpenSuse but fails at meego because meego doesn't have certain expected dependencies
2011-06-15T00:09:36 unless the java rpm also messes with your repo configuration
2011-06-15T00:09:44 and that would be even higher on my list of "DO NOT WANT"
2011-06-15T00:10:04 but they can be worked around either with http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Lem or by nastier hacks
2011-06-15T00:10:12 yes i read your email
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2011-06-15T00:10:54 the java rpm does not mess w/ repo config
2011-06-15T00:10:56 google's does
2011-06-15T00:10:58 this download sure is slow
2011-06-15T00:11:04 * lbt_nur agrees on the 'nasty hack' category... except that hack implies some kind of goodness :)
2011-06-15T00:11:09 not sure if because of ISP or just a slow downoload :(
2011-06-15T00:11:38 * lbt_nur greets npm :) .... hey there !
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2011-06-15T00:13:45 hi lbt_nur ... nur == nuremberg?
2011-06-15T00:13:58 yup
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2011-06-15T00:14:39 working with some nice people over here
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2011-06-15T00:15:51 hi
2011-06-15T00:16:03 i can't seem to install meego DE on my n900
2011-06-15T00:16:09 can anybody help
2011-06-15T00:16:10 ?
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2011-06-15T00:19:36 http://paste.kde.org/82423
2011-06-15T00:20:02 anyone?
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2011-06-15T00:20:57 -.-
2011-06-15T00:21:30 admiral0: it's kinda late ;)
2011-06-15T00:21:42 admiral0: are you sure you want to overwrite your maemo installation? it's best to dualboot
2011-06-15T00:22:32 i'm hardcore
2011-06-15T00:22:45 npm: i just tried to install google chrome RPM and it *looks* like it's going to work but then it just sits on "installing" for ever
2011-06-15T00:22:46 no bother to dissuade me
2011-06-15T00:22:47 s/hardcore/inviting a diasaster/
2011-06-15T00:22:49 pretty bad really
2011-06-15T00:22:53 i backed up everything
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2011-06-15T00:23:46 admiral0: still, it's simply bad for your device to reflash it again and again
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2011-06-15T00:23:57 it's not like you can replace the internal flash easily
2011-06-15T00:24:00 and now the window manager has gone crazy
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2011-06-15T00:24:15 i had my mb replaced by nokia (usb thingie)
2011-06-15T00:24:26 a couple of flashes won't kill it
2011-06-15T00:24:40 admiral0: when the DE devs tell you not to do it unless you know what you're doing then the fact that you ask for help in the wrong chan suggests.... you may not :)
2011-06-15T00:24:52 meego-dev?
2011-06-15T00:24:53 no matter what i do i just get "myzone"plastered over everything
2011-06-15T00:24:57 i am no noob dudes
2011-06-15T00:25:05 admiral0: then please listen
2011-06-15T00:25:15 get a cheap-o 2GB microSD
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2011-06-15T00:27:05 i am no noob dudes
2011-06-15T00:27:17 dammit
2011-06-15T00:27:26 i thoought i was in console
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2011-06-15T00:28:15 fail
2011-06-15T00:28:23 now the whole UI has crashed
2011-06-15T00:28:30 yeah up works as expected
2011-06-15T00:28:33 seriosuly does anyone even test this stuff before it's released?
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2011-06-15T00:29:00 ali1234: let me explain how opensource works....
2011-06-15T00:29:08 on second thoughts....
2011-06-15T00:29:23 lbt_nur: 1.2.0 is significantly more buggy than the RCs that came out in may
2011-06-15T00:29:29 sorry had to step away....... must go pickup son early... back later
2011-06-15T00:29:46 it's like someone broke into the repo the day before it was released and inserted hundreds and hundreds of bugs
2011-06-15T00:30:18 It's more of a feature freeze than a stable release it seems ;)
2011-06-15T00:30:35 it's stable... it's just not reliable
2011-06-15T00:30:48 which is not as insane as it sounds
2011-06-15T00:30:55 i just wonder what's the point of even calling it a release when it's much lower quality than the development versions that came out a few days earlier
2011-06-15T00:31:14 ali1234: how many devs have you got building a product against it?
2011-06-15T00:31:20 i mean if i want to get anything done with this i'm going to have to go back to like a 1.1.90 version or something
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2011-06-15T00:31:40 i get "Unable to enumerate USB devices!"
2011-06-15T00:31:40 * lbt_nur continues to be amazed that people think MeeGo is a distro
2011-06-15T00:32:28 yes, that's it, continue to make excuses
2011-06-15T00:32:36 if meego doesn't work properly, it's my fault
2011-06-15T00:32:48 because i should have just fixed every bug before i even knew about them
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2011-06-15T00:32:51 nope... but your expecatiions are wrong
2011-06-15T00:32:59 and it's not your fault
2011-06-15T00:33:17 why is it wrong to expect that 1.2.0 doesn't have new bugs that weren't in 1.1.90?
2011-06-15T00:34:26 because the UX isn't the focus of MeeGo
2011-06-15T00:34:35 the bugs aren't all in the UX
2011-06-15T00:34:42 fair answer
2011-06-15T00:34:45 zypper si doesn't even work
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2011-06-15T00:34:59 and it looks like the whole X server has crashed as well
2011-06-15T00:35:16 this is i would suspect hardware errors if it wasn't for the fact that all the other OS on this machine work perfectly
2011-06-15T00:36:16 i found the issue
2011-06-15T00:36:22 it was libusb
2011-06-15T00:36:37 i downloaded ubuntu deb
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2011-06-15T00:36:58 and preloaded it
2011-06-15T00:37:31 so if someone from arch or chakra comes with the same issue say to them it's libusb
2011-06-15T00:37:52 jeez what's with wiki.meego.com? DDoS?
2011-06-15T00:37:58 what's wrong with libusb?
2011-06-15T00:38:05 i dunno
2011-06-15T00:38:16 flasher didn't like it
2011-06-15T00:38:23 ah maybe it's a version mismatch
2011-06-15T00:38:32 Unable to enumerate USB devices!
2011-06-15T00:38:34 flasher is not open source right?
2011-06-15T00:38:38 nope
2011-06-15T00:38:43 or you got a binary either way
2011-06-15T00:38:47 so that's probably it
2011-06-15T00:38:48 they could have statically compiled it
2011-06-15T00:38:54 but they didn't
2011-06-15T00:39:03 i think there's multiple versions of it actually
2011-06-15T00:39:08 it's same version btw
2011-06-15T00:39:17 pretty sure that i always download the one that says "32 bit static tgz"
2011-06-15T00:39:20 and it's like 10mb
2011-06-15T00:39:26 but maybe i'm thinking of something else
2011-06-15T00:39:27 strange
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2011-06-15T00:39:39 ldd says some libs are dynlinked
2011-06-15T00:39:41 Saviq: ??
2011-06-15T00:39:46 WFM....
2011-06-15T00:39:54 is it slow or being changed?
2011-06-15T00:40:01 lbt_nur: sloooow
2011-06-15T00:40:02 ali1234: is it normal for the n900 to sit quiet?
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2011-06-15T00:40:20 term is busy
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2011-06-15T00:40:26 but no output
2011-06-15T00:40:37 Saviq: not here...
2011-06-15T00:40:56 lbt_nur: though it was me, but all the other *.meego.com seem to work fine
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2011-06-15T00:41:08 lbt_nur: it's fine if it's just me
2011-06-15T00:41:30 * lbt_nur wishes our external monitoring in IT was in better shape
2011-06-15T00:41:43 but it's not high on the prio
2011-06-15T00:42:22 npm: ok, i installed the jre rpm, java still doesn't work in chromium though
2011-06-15T00:42:35 it just says "missing plugin"
2011-06-15T00:44:13 ohkay, anyone managed to get additional libraries into SDK sysroot? tried `mad-admin xrpm`, but it seems repo.meego.com uses some rpm cpio format that's unsupported in madde :/
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2011-06-15T00:47:41 aaaaand... finally got it working
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2011-06-15T00:49:20 Saviq: that is kinda lame :/
2011-06-15T00:49:43 alterego: kinda
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2011-06-15T00:49:55 alterego: fortunately there are other (documented) ways
2011-06-15T00:50:24 Nice :)
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2011-06-15T00:58:39 npm: netalyzr detects 820 ms buffer latency
2011-06-15T00:58:54 but in some applications the lag is more like 8 seconds
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2011-06-15T01:03:01 ali1234: you're looking at network performance?
2011-06-15T01:03:12 not really no
2011-06-15T01:03:16 this is not meego related
2011-06-15T01:03:22 it's my ISP
2011-06-15T01:03:25 Oh, m'kay
2011-06-15T01:03:34 http://forum.demon.net/topic/world-of-warcraft-latency-issues
2011-06-15T01:03:45 You play warcraft?
2011-06-15T01:03:47 loltency.
2011-06-15T01:03:48 i don't play WoW - their broken packet shaper is affecting all kinds of things
2011-06-15T01:03:56 Ah, m'kat ;)
2011-06-15T01:04:01 ~m'kay ..
2011-06-15T01:04:01 but the WoW players are the most vocal :)
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2011-06-15T01:04:13 Heh
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2011-06-15T01:04:35 so i'm just trying to pin down exactly what it does and does not affect so that i can raise a ticket that they can't just fix by whitelisting one IP address
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2011-06-15T01:07:57 Wouldn't that be a good thing?
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2011-06-15T01:08:10 I found with my previous ISP, they didn't limit SSH,
2011-06-15T01:08:12 what do you mean?
2011-06-15T01:08:15 yes, same here
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2011-06-15T01:08:25 if i tunnel the affected programs through ssh, there is no latency
2011-06-15T01:08:30 So I used to download large files to a remote server, then SCP them to my local network :)
2011-06-15T01:08:33 i even posted to that affect on the forum thread
2011-06-15T01:08:45 Heh, they should all setup a proxy? :)
2011-06-15T01:08:49 ali1234: Presumably you're not going through the affected hops in that case.
2011-06-15T01:08:56 yes, i posted a link to how to run WoW over ssh
2011-06-15T01:09:07 SpeedEvil: no, same server, different protocol
2011-06-15T01:09:08 Heh
2011-06-15T01:09:42 but the thing is
2011-06-15T01:10:27 well, whitelisting on a per IP basis is not going to help me
2011-06-15T01:10:34 it will fix it for the WoW players
2011-06-15T01:10:40 but i don't play WoW, so i'm not helped
2011-06-15T01:10:47 unless they whitelist every IP address ever
2011-06-15T01:10:58 but then i might as well just ask them to turn off their packet shaper
2011-06-15T01:11:03 which they clearly are not going to do
2011-06-15T01:11:13 * SpeedEvil parts the channel. "At least I have chicken"
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2011-06-15T01:13:15 so basically i need to figure out how to raise the problem as a fault that perfectly matches what the packet shaper does
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2011-06-15T01:13:26 that way they can't refuse to fix it, and they can't fix it without fixing it for everyone
2011-06-15T01:13:54 but to do that i need to figure out what the shaper is actually doing
2011-06-15T01:14:36 ali1234: I remember that plusnet actually sets TOS bbyte on packets going through the shaper, so you can see the clas
2011-06-15T01:14:37 s
2011-06-15T01:15:04 this seems to only affect outgoing packets
2011-06-15T01:15:24 but i will check that out
2011-06-15T01:15:27 That seems, odd.
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2011-06-15T01:15:40 You're async right?
2011-06-15T01:15:46 yes
2011-06-15T01:15:49 ADSL
2011-06-15T01:15:56 ali1234: Does the same happen to other pservers if you use WoW packets?
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2011-06-15T01:16:23 i dunno, i don't know what WoW packets are
2011-06-15T01:21:16 I should probably head to bed soon.
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2011-06-15T01:48:34 http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2011/06/developer-economics-2011-winners-and-losers-in-the-platform-race/
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2011-06-15T01:49:15 Rather positive press coverage of MeeGo. Big up to DawnFoster and qgil, who are implicitly praised by the article author.
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2011-06-15T01:52:16 Ah, and I shouldn't neglect to mention Bob Spencer and texrat as well. You guys are doing a great job.
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2011-06-15T02:14:29 the article talks about JavaME being abandoned... and doesn't mention Oracle pushing http://javafx.com/ these days
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2011-06-15T03:30:03 possible to connect to a remote shell using the rescue initad ?
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2011-06-15T04:21:19 #list
2011-06-15T04:21:20 zergmk2: Admin, Channel, Config, Misc, Notify, Owner, and User
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2011-06-15T06:19:40 morning
2011-06-15T06:20:23 yeah, time to go to sleep
2011-06-15T06:20:45 berndhs, :)
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2011-06-15T06:22:43 good night
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2011-06-15T07:36:18 * mikeleib waves to all the boys and girls of the world
2011-06-15T07:36:41 \o
2011-06-15T07:38:43 in looking at some of the maemo tools, I came across xresponse
2011-06-15T07:39:06 I think it can measure how long it takes for an app to start, but I can't seem to get it to do what I want
2011-06-15T07:39:13 anybody with experience in such things in the house?
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2011-06-15T07:42:43 i think n900 ce people have measured the times, but not sure what they have used
2011-06-15T07:43:22 I vaguely remember it's somehing that LD_PRELOADS the app, and then watches for GTK calls
2011-06-15T07:43:28 window calls, rather
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2011-06-15T07:48:37 from the README, it talks about damage events
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2011-06-15T07:51:27 Initially the WM maps the window, and then sends the app a damage event, telling it to paint the window - I think
2011-06-15T07:51:38 But it's been a while since I've read it.
2011-06-15T07:52:55 yah
2011-06-15T07:55:26 bbl... i think...
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2011-06-15T08:36:55 a lil more progress: http://nielsmayer.com/meego/tab/meego-app-youtube.png
2011-06-15T08:37:56 decided to make it an app first, then a panel like http://nielsmayer.com/meego/tab/meego-ux-panels-youtube.png
2011-06-15T08:38:19 (just re-wrapped cutetube for maemo/n900 into tablet ux)
2011-06-15T08:39:37 why the menu/back buttons?
2011-06-15T08:40:20 the meego ux components provide atleast the 'menu' button
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2011-06-15T08:40:47 but I guess you're not using them?
2011-06-15T08:40:52 looks like stock qmltube (old version) to me
2011-06-15T08:40:57 good point... because i just dropped the existing source code in and made it work
2011-06-15T08:41:03 it is
2011-06-15T08:41:29 GonzoTheGreat: is there a newer version?
2011-06-15T08:41:36 maemo doesn't have meego ux component
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2011-06-15T08:42:23 Are you using qmltube (qml) ore cutetube (python)?
2011-06-15T08:43:07 i just grabbed http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/q/qmltube/qmltube_0.6.5.tar.gz and started hacking
2011-06-15T08:43:22 not much hacking actully, just some reparenting
2011-06-15T08:43:59 I am running qmltube-0.9.8!
2011-06-15T08:44:02 so if there's a newer version or a git repo i don't know about pls let me know i found it here http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/qmltube/0.6.5/
2011-06-15T08:44:10 (doh!)
2011-06-15T08:44:14 where from?
2011-06-15T08:44:14 toolbar is quite different
2011-06-15T08:44:42 yeah the comments/related tabs don't work for example
2011-06-15T08:44:46 just extras-devel via package manager.
2011-06-15T08:45:00 they didn't in orig version but if there's a 0.9.8...
2011-06-15T08:45:11 Also got the source in scratchbox
2011-06-15T08:45:17