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Again, I never said botting was ok, just pointing out that blaming Rave's botting for ruining EM as a whole is absurd.

And I never said you support botting and I understand you feel the need of support Rave ingame as a person behind a toon.

But you must admit that if he is not ruining the game his behaviour is not very healthy for pvmp and only shows an absolute lack of respect for gilrain community - but im not sure if some BD members know the sense of ingame community apart some jokes on ooc global and talk channels. And..its enough...you know my thoughts..nothing personal.

Again, I never said botting was ok, just pointing out that blaming Rave's botting for ruining EM as a whole is absurd.

Is it?

We can't blame Ravezot and his bot for ruining EM as a whole, but we can blame him for a major part of the action.

Once again, (like I said to Arai before) just come on your creep, and try to fight against Ravezot and the rest of the OP people, and don't come with the awnser that rave won't attack you, just pretend he will.

Instead of calling creeps cowards, you should be respecting them for still logging into this server where a clubbing RK and his OP friends are trying to rule the Ettenmoors.

Once again, (like I said to Arai before) just come on your creep, and try to fight against Ravezot and the rest of the OP people, and don't come with the awnser that rave won't attack you, just pretend he will.

No thanks, I'd get destroyed.

Why? because freeps are OP as I've already said, not because Rave has a bot.

Originally Posted by Glohir

Instead of calling creeps cowards, you should be respecting them for still logging into this server where a clubbing RK and his OP friends are trying to rule the Ettenmoors.

I never said creeps are cowards, I completely understand why creeps are hesitant to leave grams (see above) but I've been on creep when Rave shows up and seen the "Rave's here, time to log" messages in OOC. I'll respect creeps for staying to fight when they stay to fight.

I've been on creep when Rave shows up and seen the "Rave's here, time to log" messages in OOC. I'll respect creeps for staying to fight when they stay to fight.

With respect, you can find the answer to why people log, in your own post:

1)

Originally Posted by DinThePurple

No thanks, I'd get destroyed.

You can add getting serious combat advantages from bots on top of that.

2)

Originally Posted by DinThePurple

Why? because freeps are OP

Never a truer word- currently.

But there's a third reason why you should understand the Gilrain creep logging sometimes:

3) Some players would rather log offthan give Rave and some of the others any renown because of how they feel about him as a player and about his kin. And I think it's already been proven in these forums about how people feel about it and him and the kin in general.

Things are pretty bad Din when people who love the game would rather log off than play against him and his kin don't you think?

But there's a third reason why you should understand the Gilrain creep logging sometimes:

3) Some players would rather log offthan give Rave and some of the others any renown because of how they feel about him as a player and about his kin. And I think it's already been proven in these forums about how people feel about it and him and the kin in general.

Which is arguably more damaging to EM than anything Rave's ever done.

Lets take Freep OPness out of the equation, if creeps and freeps were completely balanced (totally hypothetical because Turbine) would creeps still log off to deprive Rave and BD of renown? of course not.

Lets take Freep OPness out of the equation, if creeps and freeps were completely balanced (totally hypothetical because Turbine) would creeps still log off to deprive Rave and BD of renown? of course not.

i wasnt going to involve but saw some BS....

Dear Din,
im always waiting at grams when rave and his bot shows up...not cause freeps are OP...but the way he disrespects all the community... ask any freep or creep you like about actions when Rave is not around...creeps always raid up or go solo against freeps and actions always good , even freeps gaining way more renown than any other creeps...but excuse me if i dont wanna play with a cheater...

Dear Din,
im always waiting at grams when rave and his bot shows up...not cause freeps are OP...but the way he disrespects all the community... ask any freep or creep you like about actions when Rave is not around...creeps always raid up or go solo against freeps and actions always good , even freeps gaining way more renown than any other creeps...but excuse me if i dont wanna play with a cheater...

i thought your point was, creeps stays at grams cause freeps are OP and not cause of Rave and his bot

My point is that it's pathetic to say Rave's botting is killing EM when it's creeps hiding in Grams because freeps are OP and creeps logging to deprive Rave of renown that are doing more damage.

im always waiting at grams when rave and his bot shows up...not cause freeps are OP...but the way he disrespects all the community... ask any freep or creep you like about actions when Rave is not around...creeps always raid up or go solo against freeps and actions always good

Rave hasnt been around the last couple of days and there has been action all over the map. Solo, small groups and raids, open fights and fight inside keeps. That is a fact, not pure speculation like you do in your posts, Din.

Some people, specially old timers, are just too tired of fighting aggainst the odds, and they just log off or sit in grams meanwhile Rave is there. Is that damaging for EM and they deserve to be blamed or is that just a CONSEQUENCE of the damaging actions that Rave has caused?

When I talk about 'Rave' here i mean him and his entourage, the ones that help him to f.uck the action all the time when they have a chance, like his brother Blackie, shewolf etc.

The logic you are using to try to defend Rave is completely &&&&&&&&. Its like saying in a situation that everyone is flaming over an exploiter, to defend him saying "hey look, blame the game not the player, if there wasnt exploits you wouldnt have any problem with that person, right?" Of course not, you dummy.

If the game was completely balanced, EZmode wouldnt exist, therefore Rave and co. wouldnt be a problem for Gilrain's PVMP.

Creeps logging isn't a direct result of Rave's botting, it's a creep CHOICE, you're not forced to log when he shows up, you choose to.

lol you keep going down ... ask yourself this...why are we logging off ? cause we dont wanna play with a cheater....and thats how action in EM dies......why dont we log off when rave is not around ? cause rest of the freeps plays fair and both side deserve a respectful fun

Rave hasnt been around the last couple of days and there has been action all over the map. Solo, small groups and raids, open fights and fight inside keeps. That is a fact, not pure speculation like you do in your posts, Din.

And I'm not defending Rave, he's a big boy, he can defend himself if he chooses to, I'm just pointing out that the blame for the current state of EM doesn't lie solely on Rave's doorstep as most creeps seem to believe.

Now we're just going around in circles and it's too hot to keep repeating myself so I'm done.

freeps were OP back in RoI aswell.....healing Rks, shield traited wardens etc...but we never complained about how rave and his actions killing EM...we kept playing...then he showed up with a bot and now seeing how he mocks with all of us just breaking creeps courage and we are losing our will to play.....rave with both and dead EM...is that a coincidence ?