Except for immediate withdrawal, I agree with everything he said. Especially his remarks about Cheney's speech (a new high in arrogance - even for Cheney).<br><br>But I still think we've now got to stay and fix what we've broken.<br><br>

Maybe. He's probably even chuckling harder about having a U.S. president doing the heavy lifting for him. It seems terrorist recruitment in the middle east has never been higher. Thank you Mr. President!<br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p> Zarqawi has to be smiling....he's got a U.S. Congressman doing his work for him!<br><p><hr></blockquote><p>NAH he has a US President who's been doing that for YEARS, Bryan...<br><br>sends too few troops, <br><br>ill equipped, <br><br>uses torture and gets caught (inflamatory) ....and <br><br>he has NO PLANS to change a damm thing !!<br><br>THAT made OBL and Zarqawi very happy !!!<br><br>Might as well put out a Recruiting poster with BUSH on it and in Arabic say "I WANT YOU !" <br><br>David (OFI)<br>

Marine Colonel Murtha is the only one making sense. There is no fixing what we have broken. Every day we stay is just putting off the inevitable a day. Six months or six years. The only thing that will have changed is that we have created more terrorists and more dead US soldiers.<br><br>As Senator McCain has said we need some humility from the President. Admit a mistake and leave takes humility. Unfortunately the one we have has none of that.<br><br><br><br>(__*__) <-- circular sig when standing

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>There is no fixing what we have broken.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Not totally, no. But the effort has to be made in earnest. And the contritian that's been missing all along. The admission of mistakes and misrepresentations needs to be a big part of that effort.<br><br>Yeah, yeah. I know. Don't hold my breath. <br><br><br><br><br><br>

interesting article in the atlantic this month.<br><br>i will link to it, but i don't know if it's available to everyone or not (i can't remember if i registered and get special access for having a subscription or not). here's the link:<br><br><a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200512/iraq-withdrawal">www.theatlantic.com/doc/200512/iraq-withdrawal</a><br><br>and, here's a snippet (i'll post more if the link fails):<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Would the withdrawal of U.S. troops ignite a civil war between Sunnis and Shiites?<br><br>No. That civil war is already under way—in large part because of the American presence. The longer the United States stays, the more it fuels Sunni hostility toward Shiite "collaborators." Were America not in Iraq, Sunni leaders could negotiate and participate without fear that they themselves would be branded traitors and collaborators by their constituents. Sunni leaders have said this in official public statements; leaders of the resistance have told me the same thing in private. The Iraqi government, which is currently dominated by Shiites, would lose its quisling stigma. Iraq's security forces, also primarily Shiite, would no longer be working on behalf of foreign infidels against fellow Iraqis, but would be able to function independently and recruit Sunnis to a truly national force. The mere announcement of an intended U.S. withdrawal would allow Sunnis to come to the table and participate in defining the new Iraq.<p><hr></blockquote><p>the article is short and far too simplistic, but i think the author might be on to something? nearly everyone on both sides of the aisle appears to claim that we have to be in iraq for the time being sans a very few small voices thus far. is this because they're trying to be truthful and believe what they say or because the thought of up-and-leaving could make a politician seem weak militarily and supportive of the insurgency (read: supportive of "terrorists") or something? col. murtha might just provide a nice voice to test that line of thinking.<br><br>--<br>"I am mindful that diversity is one of the strengths of the country" --president bush on 9/27/05

Makes complete sense. (It is subscription only)<br><br>So the only reason we are allowing our soldiers to be killed right now is so Bush does not have to admit a mistake. That is so fscked up.<br><br><br><br><br>(__*__) <-- circular sig when standing

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