hm... never really came across that type of attitude. Personally I respect any judo/wrestling training. Now JJJ from watching the club at my school I am not that impressed with but I am sure that in more hardcore places they train well.

Judo rules distorted the way people compete. The Gracies may not be very humble about their roots, but they did put the guard (back) on the map, and raised awareness about the importance of position in grappling.

"You know what I like about you, William? You like guns AND meditation."