Pale Skin/Black Genes: African Tribes of Europe

Cutting edge genetic research increasingly adds weight to the proposition that people of African origin have lived in Europe and Britain for centuries.

A study carried out by a team of experts from Leicester University published in European Journal of Human Genetics found that seven men bearing a rare Yorkshire surname carry a very rare genetic signature previously thought to express only in people of African origin.

Although the men appeared to have a shared common ancestor in the 18th Century, the African DNA lineage they carry probably arrived in Britain hundreds of years earlier.
The Y Chromosome:

The Y chromosome is a string of genetic material found only in males, which is passed down from father to son, more or less in its original form.

The Y chromosome accumulates small changes (as a result of mutations) in its DNA sequence, over the course of time. By analyzing these changes, scientists are able to study the relationships between different male lineages as well as population movements.

These period mutational changes that occur in the Y chromosome allow its categorization into different groups (called haplogroups) which, provide useful tools in determining a person’s geographical ancestry.

Certain haplogroups might be very common in, for example, East Asia and very rare in Europe. Inferences are made on a haplogroup`s geographical origin based on its prevalence in a particular region of the world. Although this is a crude way of deducing ancestral geographical origins, it represents the cutting edge of today’s genetic science.

Pale-Skin and Black Genes:

Haplogroup A1, is highly West African-specific. It is a very old haplogroup which presence is very rare even in the west African region.

There are only 25 other people known worldwide with this gene and they are all African. Yet, this recent study has sequenced this haplogroup in 7 pale-skin English men living in Yorkshire.

That an African specific gene which has only been sequenced in 25 Africans should be discovered in 7 white-men living in one small town in England is indeed highly significant and provocatively suggestive.

Family tree:

According to the BBC News-site which also reported on this study, the study began with one individual who had no knowledge of any African heritage in his family.

Upon sequencing the unusual haplogroup, the scientist decided to expand their study to determine the extent of the haplogroup’s presence in the genetic make-up of Yorkshire men.

Since sharing a surname significantly raises the likelihood of sharing the same ancestor and hence the same type of Y chromosome, the researchers started recruiting people with the same last name, which starts with “R” and originates in Yorkshire.

18 men were tested, seven carried the rare African haplogroup. This ratio represents a mind boggling percentage when one considers the rareness of this gene even in west Africa. It appears to indicate an early colonization of Yorkshire by people of west African descent.

An attempt to fit the men into a family tree suggests that they had shared a common ancestor as of the 18th century. Further analysis however confirms that the haplogroup had a presence on the British Isle that dated many centuries prior to the 18th.

Migration Routes:

Although majority of the Black people living in England today originated in Africa and the Carribean in the second half of the 20th century, there were also Africans living in Britain before the 20th Century.

One must not forget that the Ibero-maurisians who are believed to have settled the British Isle in the pre-historic times were mostly Black Africans who had crossed into Spain from North Africa and then crossed the Alps or sailed the North sea into the British Isle.

Traditions also insist that the Phoenicians, another group of Africans usually passed off by racist minded scholars as “brown mediterranean types” originally came from the Horn of Africa. Phoenicians were known to have colonized the British Isle and extracted precious minerals from its mines including tin.

Scottish and Irish legends also hold that certain Egyptians had also colonized the Isle as traders, and then later as political exiles. Those Egyptians were Black Africans many of whose latter-day descendants live with pale skins covering black genes.

The Roman Empire was largely situated in North Africa geographically speaking. Thus many African Romans had a great influence on the Roman Empire. A Black African lawyer from Mauritania named Spetimus Severus had ruled Roman Empire from the capital Roman and even established an illustrious dynasty of Black Roman rulers. At that time, Britain was an outlaying backwater territory of celtic and germanic barbarians with whom the Romans rarely interacted.

At one point, the Romans administrators of the British colony had built the Hadrian’s wall, an early fort used to control the movement of barbarian tribes. Black Roman soldiers of African descent garrisoned this fort. Thousands of those soldiers settled and had children in England with the locals. Recent studies have confirmed the African origin of many osteological and genetic samples recovered from Roman cemetries near the Hadrian’s wall.

One must recall the Moors who had ruled a great part of southern Europe for periods ranging between 300 – 800 years. These Moors were the light of dark-age Europe and introduced the ancient sciences, medicine, mathematics, architecture and luxury goods into Europe, even further afield from their southern European sphere of influence. Their contribution facilitated the birth of western Europe which is wrongly termed as the Renassiance.

Finally, mention must be made of the several thousand Africans who were subsequently kidnapped and trade with the connivance of the elites of Europe into enforced slavery between 1516 and 1830 AD.

The first (Unknown) Black President of the United States: Paleskins/Black Genes In Action:

Human migration history is very complex, particularly for an island nation such as England, and this study further debunks the idea of the Aryan white homogenous germanic English race. It demonstrates that underneath many pale skins lie black African genes!

For example, When scientists analysed the DNA of the third US president, Thomas Jefferson, they found that his Y chromosome belonged to a haplogroup known as K2.

Although Jefferson’s father claimed Welsh ancestry, genetics has disproved this claim as false since his Y-haplogroup is rare in Europe and has not yet been reported in Britain.

In fact, genetic studies show that Thomas Jefferson’s K2 haplogroup ultimately came from north-east Africa or the Middle East, the areas where it is most commonly found today. It is thus highly probably that Jefferson was a recent descent of some un-named and denied Somali, Kenyan, or Sudanese making him the first Black president of the United States.

Incidentally, Jefferson, a founding father of the United States and one of the better known writers and signatory of the US constitution had a known preference for African women that he had enslaved on his plantation. He actually fathered a whole tribe of unacknowledged “mulatto” children from those Black women many of whom he enslaved or sold.

Someone once said that terrible crimes have been aided and abetted under the ignorant white-out of racist prejudice.

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All very interesting and informative. One thing i would like to understand is, how will this information and debate benefit the future generations. Hopefully not splitting them as it has done here. I hope this can lead to an educational benefit and bring people together. What i feel isn’t needed is a widening of the gap between the human race or nations. Simple but true.

Vince replied:
All very interesting and informative. One thing i would like to understand is, how will this information and debate benefit the future generationsâ€¦â€¦
We have consumerism, indifference, cynicism and fear (apart from ignorance) that we have to fight as black peoples of goodwill.
In my humble opinion the neo-liberal globalized economic structure has fostered:
a) Crass consumption- equated with success. Buy, buy, and spend! Buy to maintain economic growth. From the time one wakes up till bedtime, one is bombarded with a market that wants your money.
b) Indifference towards truth-people in the west and even Africa are kept entertained out of their wits multi-media style. Trashy music, movies, pornography, infotainment etc. This keeps people sedated and confused.
c) Poverty & indebtness- People are kept poor through outright hunger, joblessness and indebtness. In the west, most people have to juggle 2-3 jobs to keep afloat. In the third world we jobless but still bombarded with the material success of the west-causing false aspirations and divisions.
d) Hence people are too tired/hungry to think, seek knowledge and this breeds the worst enemy: CYNICISM TO TRUTH & LOVE
e) Many black people FEAR THE TRUTH of I and I greatness for various reasons from the heavily brainwashed (if I say Jesus is Black then I am blaspheming and will land in Hades) to those benefiting economically and socio-politically from the status quoâ€¦.
We all have a role to shine the light of truth and I thank the good people of Rastaliverewire for the good work and forgive I and I enemies as they inadvertently continue to sharpen I-ron!
So fight cynicism.
United States of Africa!!
JAH!

Vince replied:
All very interesting and informative. One thing i would like to understand is, how will this information and debate benefit the future generationsâ€¦â€¦
We have consumerism, indifference, cynicism and fear (apart from ignorance) that we have to fight as black peoples of goodwill.

a) Crass consumption- equated with success. Buy, buy, and spend! Buy to maintain economic growth. From the time one wakes up till bedtime, one is bombarded with a market that wants your money.

b) Indifference towards truth-people in the west and even Africa are kept entertained out of their wits multi-media style. Trashy music, movies, pornography, infotainment etc. This keeps people sedated and confused.

c) Poverty & indebtness- People are kept poor through outright hunger, joblessness and indebtness. In the west, most people have to juggle 2-3 jobs to keep afloat. In the third world we jobless but still bombarded with the material success of the west-causing false aspirations and divisions.

d) Hence people are too tired/hungry to think, seek knowledge and this breeds the worst enemy: CYNICISM TO TRUTH & LOVE

e) Many black people FEAR THE TRUTH of I and I greatness for various reasons from the heavily brainwashed (if I say Jesus is Black then I am blaspheming and will land in Hades) to those benefiting economically and socio-politically from the status quoâ€¦.

We all have a role to shine the light of truth and I thank the good people of Rastaliverewire for the good work and forgive I and I enemies as they inadvertently continue to sharpen I-ron!

So fight cynicism.

United States of Africa!! Vince replied:
All very interesting and informative. One thing i would like to understand is, how will this information and debate benefit the future generationsâ€¦â€¦
We have consumerism, indifference, cynicism and fear (apart from ignorance) that we have to fight as black peoples of goodwill.
In my humble opinion the neo-liberal globalized economic structure has fostered:
a) Crass consumption- equated with success. Buy, buy, and spend! Buy to maintain economic growth. From the time one wakes up till bedtime, one is bombarded with a market that wants your money.
b) Indifference towards truth-people in the west and even Africa are kept entertained out of their wits multi-media style. Trashy music, movies, pornography, infotainment etc. This keeps people sedated and confused.
c) Poverty & indebtness- People are kept poor through outright hunger, joblessness and indebtness. In the west, most people have to juggle 2-3 jobs to keep afloat. In the third world we jobless but still bombarded with the material success of the west-causing false aspirations and divisions.
d) Hence people are too tired/hungry to think, seek knowledge and this breeds the worst enemy: CYNICISM TO TRUTH & LOVE
e) Many black people FEAR THE TRUTH of I and I greatness for various reasons from the heavily brainwashed (if I say Jesus is Black then I am blaspheming and will land in Hades) to those benefiting economically and socio-politically from the status quoâ€¦.
We all have a role to shine the light of truth and I thank the good people of Rastaliverewire for the good work and forgive I and I enemies as they inadvertently continue to sharpen I-ron!
So fight cynicism.
United States of Africa!!
JAH!

Since when do rastas care about taking claim to Europe or Egypt?
Don’t wish to stir in what’s unsure and mingle with minds that resent you.
Shed the nonsense. Time to move on and improve yuhself instead of running battle with the past.
Make your histories now, who will take it from you this time? Jah bless.

It was my lord Honourable Marcus Garvey who told us to seek out our history. Because if you don’t kknow where you are coming from, then you will not kknow where you are going to. A people without knowledge of their roots is like a jetsam or flotsam blown around by every passing wave.

hello jahday, i am a black west indian from the diaspora. My bio parents are are from Jamiaca and st Vincents. i was adopted at 2 by by white folks and was taken up to yorkshire age 8,( Halifax in the north of england) from coventry (where i was born). Only in my 20’s have things started going weird with degenarate ( i believe sub-human) uneducated, part of this societies underclass pinkoids.

I moved to this house in Huddersfield, basically the next town on. i live alone( unfortunatly, no woman in me life at the mow) and it’s still the case due to circumstances i’m about to describe. At that house i experienced 7 days aweek building work, for 18 months plus neighbourly nightly noise. The jist of it was that i became very SlEEP DEPRIVED and found it hard to move from that house for i was not in work and was finding it hard to get and keep a job, due to the above. SLEEP DEPRIVATION IS AKIN TO TORTURE,

i managed to move house back to halifax. i was there for a few months when building work started to begin on a new house across the square. and their were a few night owl nieghbours. it had become exactly like my previous house.

I was due to move out, and i found a house in the opposite town Burnley. A few weeks before my move i noticed things being moved or taken. Not olny that, but, in, (having no, so called mental health problems in my 31yrs), started hearing voices. The voices i did not recognize but were local accents, faint whispers that, say, (through indoor electronic amplification) ie, computers, washing machines and hoovers, were heard more. As where (outdoors), through car engines, streams, rain, through bird song, dog barks, and airplanes or any vehicle noises the voices could still be heard. this process was maddening!

What these voices had to say there was no corroberation,to. The nameless faceles voices would drone on 24/7 , especially at night you can hear them clearly Initially, they said, ‘your a black god or an animal god!( lack of sleep over along period of time can make you more suseptable to suggestions),i carn’t go around saying that i’m a god!, ‘you still have’nt got a clue about the white god! ‘Where going to get out of your head on such and such a day, morning or afternoon(and then nothing happened), and no answer to questions put to them, not even a name to a certain voice. Nor, when asked “are you alive? ‘yes!’. Where are you? We are in ……….( it’s like, if i think of somthing, one of them will repeat what i think, or if theirs an image they will state it),……Halifax! Can we meet up if i went there? always no response. Constant drival like this can turn into a form of MIND CONTROL! Would you agree?

after eventually getting meds after few of months, it toook two further months to get rid of them., and boy, was i relived!.

Jahday, as i write this, i am now at present, experincing the pathetically stupid irrationally insane voices again. I was growing a bit of weed to chill me out with al thats happened, and then building renovation works started up. I got my front door smashed in afew widows broken and i had a few stuff pinched from the house. now i’ve experinced this, i seen it in other afro caribbean people even though nothing has been said. I’d like this to be a warning to others from the carribean if they were to venture to any of the towns mentioned, DO NOT RENT THERE.

any help would be handy to combat tthese feckless idiots!?

Didn’t our ancesters struggle enough during the slave trade? I feel owned or possed even poisened by these rabid voices. I did not think that in the 21st century what seems to be a group thats in to the occult, is practicing it for evil purposes. and there getting away with it for theirs not much proof i could provide.

you are lying. thats just simply incredible. so many mistakes. i dont want to go to deep into your terrible mistakes. its septimius severus and not spetimus severus you ignorant lying fool and most of your conclusions are simply rascist. septimius severus was “white” and phoenicians as well. look it up. wherever you want to. another case of black racism. simply incredible you ought to be ashamed of what you wrote. lies over lies. and you dont even try to cover them up. ignorance brought about all the wars we had and you are surely a part of this ignorant society.
Shame on you.
Teodor Rakic

There are different variants on the spelling of Septimius. Some spell it as Septimus while others spell it as Septimius. You can goggle either variant and see for yourself that there are variants to the spelling.

Secondly, when you make a “scholarly point” as you pretend to do, then please back up with scholarly evidence and citations.

Now provide your scholarly evidence that Phoenicians were pink like your backward ancestors. Provide scholarly evidence that Septimus Severus was pink like your ugly butt that you hide from sunlight.

And while you are at it, provide scholarly evidence to disprove the thesis of the main article on this tread.

Until you do so, there is no point engaging your asnine and infantile foolishness.

Foolishness is the mother of all ignorance. See link to statue of Septimus and judge then how he is your “Qwite” ancestor:

This is all pretty depressing. These poor fools who need to cling to the absurd notion that ancient Mediterranean peoples were “African”, and that supposedly the “African-Americans” of today are the direct descendants of these same people!

Nobody here has ever claimed that Egyptians, Romans, Carthaginians etc looked like Swedes, they obviously didn’t! However, go to modern Greece, Portugal, Italy etc and you’ll see faces just like these so-called “African” civilizations.

Are you really so full of self-hatred, do you really have such low self-esteem that you need to steal other peoples’ history to make yourself feel like more of a man?

Here’s an idea…why not do something worthwhile OF YOUR OWN TODAY? Why live in an imaginary past where people who have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with you or your family are imagined as your ancestors?

Now this clown claims that Severus was another “brutha”. Seriously, my only thought is…”Get a life”. Literally. One day you will be old and dying, and will regret all the time you wasted spouting this vile worthless nonsense.

You did not cite a sourced reference to challenge an article that makes references to scientific and historical sources. Poor wretch.

Due to the unending polluted spring of hatred in your pink life, you are unable to read and understand the thrust of the article above. Yet, we have seen hateful pink arses like here you before and have straightened them out.

So whats with your obsession? If it was written by a fool then why bother respond? If this article had not hit on your red pink angst and reminded you of your cave origins, of your rootless beginnings you would have just laughed and moved on. If this article had not exposed all the lies around the false notion of your so-called white (actually pink-skinned) supremacy you would not have felt so inadequate as to vituperate your low live cold blooded hatred.

Ofcourse your so-called ancient mediterranean were Black Africans. That you use the modern population of the coastal mediterranean as your counter-evidence would be as legitimate as using the modern pink Americans today to debunk the thesis that your so-called natives owned the Americas in the ancient times.

Your response demonstrates your agenda. Pink obsession with the so-called Blacks. Bring it on, I am still your creator. I am he that made you. Go ask George Washington who built the Americas.

But we all know your limitations. A poor pink arse frustrated hateful monkey, uneducated or half educated at best, jobless, limpid and ugly. Go pop a viagara pill and find a whore to ease up!

Jahdey,
I am just starting an article linking Africa with ancient Ireland. It is one of about 10 papers that run to about 20 pages each. Are you interested & can you cope with so many of this length?
If so can you provide me with an email address to which they can be sent ?
Regards,
Harry Bourne

Come on good people, lets all try to get along because you know naturally we are all going to be a tiny bit biased to one side or another.

It hurts me to see that we are not moving forward on the issue. All sides have to at least listen to the other with an open mind, think about it seriously and if the other guys points dont add up, then try to help your brother no matter what colour their side supports.

Move forward Jah children, Insults will slow down any progress, even make it backward.

It’s like looking at a mountain at sunset, those on the southern side will allways say the sun sets on the left hand side of it, those on the northern side say it sets on the right side.

So when you check out the big picture, ( say for example an alien observing humans on earth) this is all just foolish quarrelling over nothing important except our sentimental feelings. Some times the more persistent and stubborn we are the blinder we become to facts.

you see good people, African people have a proud history, European people have a proud history, Asian people (North, South, East and West) have a proud history, Oceanic people (Melanesians, Polyneseans, Micronesians) have a proud history.

SO………Until the colour of a mans skin is of no more significance than the colour of his eyes there’s a war, and i hate wars …….due to the fact that nothing important actually gets done.

JAH RASTAFARI!!!!

move forward people, move forward….but we need to know where we came from before we can do that, So expose the wrong and uneducated in a righteous way to teach them and speed up the process.

This is all these clowns who keep on with all this utter garbage….do any of you know where the word “Africa” itself comes from? I bet you don’t. Look it up. You keep going on and on about “Afri-” this and “Afro-” that, yet if any of you reprehensible liars actually discovered where the word “Africa” originates from, you’d probably go back into your mom’s basements and just shut up……

where does africa comes from my frien please please enlighten us with all your knowledge ,i wish to learn and understand please .i am khemet ,am from alke bu-lan please since you know so much make know my heritage to me ,am hebrew/israelite please tell me what tribe am i from since you kno where the word africa came from

I’m a black man.
Ogu Eji Ofo Anu’s article is well written though I suggest further research. It matters little that “Africa” is a Roman or Sanskirt word; that’s simply a non issue. However it matters that north Africa was a multiethnic and multiracial melting pot. Many “Africans” like Scipius” were indeed whites and it is doubtful if Hannibal were really black. But the fact remains that he had thousands of blacks in his army and their main reward was women in a predominantly white mediterannian Europe. Therefore Ogu tends to confirm trends in contemporary scolarship on the subject.

Blacks have been systematically portrayed by racists as inferior beings, therefore there’s a need to dismantle this robbery. It is even turning out that some contemporary racists have black or non ayrian blood flowing in their veins and they are now afraid to hear as much. A case in point is Mr. Wilders, the Dutch extreme right leader, who likes to dye his hair blond but, who, it has been discovered, has indonesian blood, what a shame!

In antiquity there was discrimination but not necessarily along racial lines. Blacks participated alongside their asian or caucasian counterparts, as freemen or as emancipated slaves. A useful source to read on this subject is “Blacks in Antiquity” by professor Frank Snowden, J.R.

As such, the myth is slowly but surely falling, but it must be destroyed with dignity and firmness. Do not be drawn into petty vulgar insulting language, because that messes up your credibility and message. Remember there are lots of whites – caucasians – whose ancestors also suffered slavery and servage and some are still losing their lives denouncing racism against blacks. Therefore say your WORD with calm, justice and temperance.

I totally believe this. There was another study done, or maybe it was the same one. Someone posted it on You Tube. It was done in 9 segments, each 10 minutes long. It was fascinating. Everything makes sense, even from a religious standpoint, no, especially, so. The title is the real Eve, or on You Tube, Meet the Afrikan.

This may be but I hate Afrocentrecisism. Isnt a white person allowed to have a place in the world with his own look and customs. I understand that you non whites are bitter at times because of the past but you need to move on and appreciate all people for what they can bring to the world. of course we arent pure but who is. You are too quick to label people racist without looking at how we feel first. Dont stoop to a racists level. Let life progress and let we white people be. All humans are suffering due to Globalisation that is our problem!

Lots of people are pure. It’s just that certain idiots here are clearly ignorant of what exactly Races are and are not. Only someone with an IQ below 60 would believe that the Races of Man would correspond exactly to totally artificial designations of where the Continents begin and end! Likewise only a complete simpleton moron would think that whether someone’s hair is curly or not,, or whether or not someone has pale skin has any major significance as regards Race.

Race is at the most basic DNA level. People of the same Race cluster together through DNA tests. The American concept of Race is utterly preposterous. There are Caucasoid people with dark skin and curly hair. There are Negroid people with fair skin and pale eyes. But some buffoons think that anyone who doesn’t look like a Viking must be a :”brutha”. What stupidity.

This doesn’t supprise me at all, human beings started in africa, why wouldn’t there be african dna in another population outside of africa, take that back, all human dna is african, oh and btw, white people are just really pale africans, plus if you look at ethiopians, they have what is considered “european” or “white” noses.