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You'll never convince him mate. Even though you're a lawyer and i literally worked with the NCA on a few cases, he'll still know better.

Unless you actually know what the evidence is then you DO NOT know better. Or do you have some kind of low-down
on what the evidence is hmm? Its not like folk like you would ever be biased and claim that your supposed 'expertise' is
carte blanche for accepting what you say. I don't accept it until I have the full facts in front of me. Maybe you don't like facts
they probably get in the way of your political ideals.

One other thing, was Aaron Banks part of the official Leave campaign?

Originally Posted by elmicker

Yeah, for the EC of all people to push for a prosecution means this must be absolutely nailed on.

You've still not quite cleared up exactly what you do Meester to have such an expert knowledge of the various ins and outs of Brexit happenings and why your opinion is worth anything.

Beyond of course, your 'side' winning

Originally Posted by Paul Mason

It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

You've still not quite cleared up exactly what you do Meester to have such an expert knowledge of the various ins and outs of Brexit happenings and why your opinion is worth anything.

I claim no expertise, I can read the lines and history. I am capable of learning, are you?

Should a person need to be an expert to understand basic concepts? You have no evidence that Russia is responsible for Brexit, all you
have is theory and made up accusations. Stirring the pot for the bottom of the dregs. You have nothing, I know you have nothing, you
know you have nothing but folk like you continue the charade that you have something. Honestly someone like Putin should be your hero,
being ex-KGB and wanting to bring back the USSR. Anything involving Russian influence should put a smile on your face, maybe it does.

Entities don't announce stuff like that without evidence, don't be simple.

I would think that you will find that 'entities' announce investigations all the time.

Im not sure what world you live in but this is a pretty common occurrence in this one.

Stop being willfully ignorant, you don’t commence an investigation without some sort of preliminary evidence. Especially where politically-charged issues are concerned.

You'll never convince him mate. Even though you're a lawyer and i literally worked with the NCA on a few cases, he'll still know better.

Oh shit yeh man this sort of stuff is literally what you do. I don’t really do crime but I think from Meester’s perspective this is just common sense innit

I definitely have a passing familiarity with it, yeah

To be fair, he’s not wrong that it could collapse and go nowhere. He IS wrong about what it takes for the NCA to take on a sensitive case like this though. They just wouldn’t touch it without a compelling case already being there.

And what are you getting this year, another 40% cut? Does legal aid even still exist?

It's on life support. As are the solicitors that do legal aid work tbh.

It's pretty disgusting tbh. The criminal bar is now basically the preserve of hooray Henry who fancies trying his hand at the law, such is the terrible pay.

Exactly the kind of person you'd want less of in a modern judicial system

Precisely. Luckily it's still bloody hard to get pupillage so if you have legal aid your barrister will usually be pretty competent, very competent if it's something serious. We're nowhere near the US in that respect.

You've still not quite cleared up exactly what you do Meester to have such an expert knowledge of the various ins and outs of Brexit happenings and why your opinion is worth anything.

I claim no expertise, I can read the lines and history. I am capable of learning, are you?

Should a person need to be an expert to understand basic concepts? You have no evidence that Russia is responsible for Brexit, all you
have is theory and made up accusations. Stirring the pot for the bottom of the dregs. You have nothing, I know you have nothing, you
know you have nothing but folk like you continue the charade that you have something. Honestly someone like Putin should be your hero,
being ex-KGB and wanting to bring back the USSR. Anything involving Russian influence should put a smile on your face, maybe it does.

You've still not quite cleared up exactly what you do Meester to have such an expert knowledge of the various ins and outs of Brexit happenings and why your opinion is worth anything.

I claim no expertise, I can read the lines and history. I am capable of learning, are you?

Should a person need to be an expert to understand basic concepts? You have no evidence that Russia is responsible for Brexit, all you
have is theory and made up accusations. Stirring the pot for the bottom of the dregs. You have nothing, I know you have nothing, you
know you have nothing but folk like you continue the charade that you have something. Honestly someone like Putin should be your hero,
being ex-KGB and wanting to bring back the USSR. Anything involving Russian influence should put a smile on your face, maybe it does.

I don't and haven't claimed any of the above

What a deranged rant.

Originally Posted by Paul Mason

It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

Could anyone intelligently speculate on the time line of the NCA investigation? Will they go silent for 6-18 months, then either charge or close down? Or might we get some information more quickly.

And I'm asking because as a democratic remainer I accept the referendum result. But if there is real evidence of serious cheating by leave, then suddenly the People's Vote should get traction.

It’s impossible to speculate unfortunately. It depends entirely on what they’ve been handed and how much further investigation they have to do. We don’t even know specifically what the potential crimes or charges might be at this point in detail.

Normally in my experience though they tend to be of the “silent for ages then charge” variety though.....though have never been a particularly chatty bunch.

So this is why we always see you correct people who call Blair a criminal?

Not sure where you get the idea that I think Blair is not a criminal, he most definitely is.

Based on which court ruling?

Originally Posted by Paul Mason

It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.