Posted
by
timothy
on Sunday December 23, 2012 @03:18PM
from the let-a-thousand-flowers-bloom dept.

Techmeology writes "Just days after the UK Pirate Party was forced to kill its proxy service Pirate Parties in Argentina and Luxembourg have created their own proxies. In a statement, the Pirate Party in Argentina said: 'We wish the UK Pirate Party best of luck in their continued fight for free access to culture and knowledge. We have put up our own Pirate Bay proxy which is accessible from anywhere in the world, including the UK and other places where it has been censored.'"

If they really wanted to take down TPB, who cares? Shut down the domain name and all the IPs it points to today, as long as nobody can reach it then it's for all practical purposes down. I'd be surprised if they even have actual servers anywhere, and not just encrypted tunnels leading to a leased machine or the cloud. In fact, they probably have hot spares they can redirect the tunnels to if any of their "servers" are compromised.

I think that might ultimately just move the piracy scene back to these more underground warez spots. These easy-to-use, well known sites might eventually die. When you are already talking about transmitting magnet links via mail or IRC, it becomes much more impractical and the torrents won't get that much seeders anymore.

Fortunately an increasing number of lawyers, politicians and business CEOs *aren't* surprised by this (speaking as someone well on his way to becoming two of those). At some point they will reach critical mass in each of the fields and we might see some real progress.

Child porno already has relevant laws covering it. You don't need to add a means of censorship which can and will be arbitrarily extended to cover anything else the government doesn't like, like people who don't like them.

i remember people getting together to swap floppies on a friday night when i was like thirteen of fourteen or something maybe and i think piracy back then was still the privilege of long john silver
everyone knows it's a waste of money since people are still making money and very few companies seem to go bust
but i think this fight is about saving face somehow, i wonder how much money spent on lawyers could be invested in exploring new business models, but the lawyers will ofcourse not agree since it's th

You can experience the culture for free. Walk around the areas with culture. Most museums I've been to were free (for at least some portion of the exhibits). And walking into a restaurant or hotel is free.

You don't need your own proxies. Just tell people to use Tor. It'll access TPB and other torrent sites just fine. Just remind them that downloading the torrent files (or magnet links) might be anonymized, but trying to tor-ify your bittorrent client is an excercise in futility, as well as seriously degrading the limited resources of the network; Nobody routes bittorrent traffic on Tor.

Routing BitTorrent over Tor is bad idea and you should never ever do it. But guess what, if you do want to anonymize your BitTorrent traffic, there's a protocol for that: OneSwarm [wikipedia.org]. It's not a perfect solution, but it does something similar to what you actually wanted when you thought you wanted to run BitTorrent over Tor.

Artists must work for free, they must produce a certain amount of art each year for free, musicians must hold concerts for free, their work can be freely copied and distributed.

HOWEVER, they are entitled to anything THEY WANT for free.... a house, car, food, electronics.... they can walk in with their RIAA/MPAA or what ever card it is into any business and take what that want for free, the cost of these goods/services (NOT including profit) gets spread evenly among the employer and all employees.

Artists are entitled to a fair wage for their services. If artists get off their butts, go out, and perform their arts, they can get paid. The problem with the current scheme of things is, beginning artists believe that if they sign with a record label, do a few songs, they should be on easy street for the rest of their lives.

Soon enough, they figure out that the game is rigged, and if they stop performing, easy street turns into a dead-end. But the LABEL c

there is no guaranteed income in being... well, anybody. and there is no such thing for being an artist.artists feel entitled to holding longer and longer monopolies on culture, as if they came in and did it all in an empty space, without relying on any previous influences.

limiting copying is not an answer, unless the question is "how do we milk this outdated business model a bit longer". copyright will have to change, unless more or less free part of the world changes to a society that is as totalitarian a

and no, there is not point to stick that artists have no need to make a living, just that this need has to be proportionate to what the society finds appropriate - if artists think that society is paying too little, well, too bad - they probably should do something else... just like any other profession out there.

as for independent music, it;s hard to categorise. instead i do not buy cds (except at concerts), go to concerts whenever i have some time, buy t-shirts and other merch. no easy pr

Pirate Party: What is it?
Lame User: [interrupts] This scheme of yours has failed, Lord Torrent. The blockade is complete. We dare not go against the Judges.
Pirate Party: Cool User, I don't want this stunted slime in my sight again. [Lamer leaves] This turn of events is unfortunate. We must accelerate our plans. Begin setting up your proxies.
Cool User: My lord! Is that... legal?
Pirate Party: I will make it legal.
Cool User: And the Judges?
Pirate Party: The MAFIAA-UK should n

I'm a little aghast at what slow learners the pro-copyright corporatist extremists and their front groups really are.

I've convinced that they will never learn ever -- and that we'll simply have to wait a generation for these stupid, venal old white men to die before they are replaced by people willing to see logic and reason, and realize that locking up culture behind contrived barriers, and lobbying/corrupting government into propping up their broken business models is a long term losing proposition.

The MAFIAA are proof that human greedy and stupidity is truly infinite.

Concerts, Umm... well if I can get all their music for free why would I pay to go to a concert ?

I go to concerts. One of my favorite musicians only sells his CDs at a concert (but has free downloads and links to youtube with his songs on his site). I went to the concert and bought the CD so I would have a higher quality copy and so I could see him perform live (the concert).

I go to about 10 concerts a year, even though I probably have the records or files (or at least could get them if I wanted). I also buy records, tapes and CDs. The piracy is just an addition - I would not buy more records if I coul

Not everyone offers flac or wav downloads, there are some music that is only available as mp3 on TPB, not flac.So, in some cases, buying the CD gets higher quality. Buying the record almost always gets higher quality, not because of some inherent quality of the record, but because the record was made before everyone started compressing the dynamic range to 3dB and re-releases on CD are usually compressed.

I presume that by you posting Anonymous Coward, and by mischievously lying about what I said, that you are shilling for the MAFIAA.

Nevertheless I'll reply to your lies and misrepresentations.

Please tell us, what is the NEW business model ?

From you post, I gather they are not allowed to sell their work, so what options are left ?

Lie #1. I did NOT say that artists could not sell their work. What I DID say, is that MAFIAA criminals should not be allowed to saddle us with stupid, onerous laws and endless copyright, because some ageing conservative white male retard can't figure out how to stream music, instead of selling merchandise, concert ticke

why are all pro-strict-copyright comments on this article by anonymous cowards ? has riaa & friends discovered slashdot ?

new business model might be producing some product which actually is beneficial enough for the society so they are willing to pay for it, instead of trying to out-legislate copying (which does not deprive original author). there is no entitlement to income by doing music or whatever (nevertheless, limited copyright for commercial use seems to make a lot of sense).

All that money spent in the courts to get ISPs to block the Pirate Bay from direct access, and by the ISPs to implement the ruling, and for what? It appears only the lawyers won. The artists aren't any better off as a result, the "industry" isn't getting any fatter, and the pirates were only slightly inconvenienced for the five minutes it took to find a way around the blockade. You know, given this perspective, I'd suggest that the "industry" spends that money helping people in Africa or poor regions of the US (yeah, I crack myself up sometimes).

Why must I go to some remote location every single time I wanna search for a torrent, which in most cases has been added a long time ago? That site could be down, or slow, or betray me to the SOPA commies... It would be better if I scraped torrent sites into a local database, updated via a daily cron job, and then searched for torrents via tools running locally on my system, which would pass the magnet link to the BitTorrent downloader program. (Just storing magnet links would require very little disk sp

Even if TPB proxies and mirrors can be sprung like mushrooms, there could be major problems if the master site is closed. Sure, you can make a mirror of the torrent files and send around the magnet links and it will work. But after that, how can you add new torrents, and do other kind of administration? Who and how will then moderate everything?

I was wondering why they didn't even throw up a token defense (spend a single day in court) when they were charged to take down the proxies. They clearly knew that their friends in other jurisdictions would take up the fight. Now any attempt to take down the other proxies will look like desperate acts of desperate people.