To find out if the planet Venus really exist, we would have to find out at what orbital distance Venus would look the same size of the Sun as the Moon does from Earth.

Now, for the Moon to carry the illusion of seemingly being the same size as the Sun, a distance of 149,600,000 kilometers is needed, it is NEEDED, because by arguing that its the distance between the Moon and Earth that causes the illusion won't hold true for very long.

If you would for a moment picture that the Earth was orbiting where Venus is (108,200,000) orbital plane, Earth by scientific calculations would fit along the Sun's DIAMETER about 30 times, the Moon regardless that she be so close to Earth would be dwarfed from the size of the Sun, because the Sun would completely cover our blue skies, so, its not the relationship distance that the Moon holds with Earth that creates the illusion, but the distance the Moon holds with the Sun, its that distance that creates the optical illusion of being the same size.

Venus to encompass that optical illusion she would have to distance herself away from the Sun in equivalency to that of the Moon, the Moon is 399.88 smaller then the Sun, we would have to divide the distance of the Moon from the Sun by 399.88 and then multiply by how many times Venus is smaller then the Sun.

Venus at 42 million kilometer from the Sun would create the optical illusion of having the appearance of the size we see our Sun in our sky. Science tells us that Venus occupies the 108,200,000 kilometer position from the Sun a (difference) of 65,236,951.6 km from her original orbit a quick division establishes her true size at 108,200,000 km.

108,200,000 ~ 42,963,048.49 = 2.51

Venus would appear 2 and ½ times the size of the Sun as seen from Earth.

End of Illusion 1 _____________________________________________

Some hard-core science fundamentalist will argue that the distance relationship between the Earth and Moon is also a factor in conjunction with the distance from the Sun, the argument being that both are needed to create this well calibrated illusion, and for Venus to reflect the illusion this theory must be factored in, I say, lets find out.

Venus (diameter) 12,103.6 km ~ Moon (diameter) 3476 km = 3.4820 times larger then Moon, for Venus to look the same size of the Sun as the Moon does from Earth, we would have to calculate the distance of the Moon from the Earth and multiply it 3.4820 times. Venus is 3.4820 times larger then the Moon, therefore, a distance 3.4820 times away from Earth is needed to create the same optical illusion the Moon does with the Sun.

Moon distance from Earth: 384,400 km x 3.4820 = 1,338,480.8 km.

Venus would have to be 1,338,480.8 kilometers away from Earth to look the same size of the Sun as the Moon does from Earth. And since the Earth is 149,600,000 km away from the Sun, Venus would have to orbit at 148,261,519.2 from the Sun.

[149,600,000] - [1,338,480.8] = 148,261,519.2 km.

At this orbit is where the fundamentalist have calculated that Venus will appear 1/1 in diameter to the Sun, and at the 108,200,000 kilometer mark Venus is 1/30 in diameter to Sun, consistent with the transit sightings and the fact that field experts who went out in space and have measured the Sun put Venus at 1/114 diameter to the Sun, this math is incorrect, science ascribes that the diameter of the Sun shrinks the closer Venus gets to Earth, the diameter of the Sun remains the same but the illusion of grandeur that Venus projects because she gets closer to Earth is what must be considered, I have considered this and tabulated it carefully and accurately.

If I stand 5'11 before you, am I not still 5'11 a mile away from you, yes, I am!

Venus doesn't become the true size of the Sun, only the illusion that distance creates because the Sun is so far away, so one must calculate where Venus should be to capture the wholeness of the Sun's illusion and that point/orbit becomes 100% of the optical illusion as seen from Earth, and where by Venus standing next to the Sun being zero%, because at that closeness there would be no more illusion but reality.

So, Venus at 148,261,519.2 km in orbit would project 100% optical illusion of being the same size as the Sun seen from Earth, when resuming to her original orbit at 108,200,000 km Venus would lose a certain percentage of that optic when viewed from Earth, to calculate that lose we’ll put the hypothetical orbit on a percentage scale and divide into her original position from the Sun.

Conclusion: the satanic veil of deception is very thick and powerful, misleading many, such as we were all at some point, some, maybe finally coming around to understanding that science is a religion, no less, I've encountered many "radicals" who will resort to name calling worse then 5th graders, and would physically assault you if not for their feeble pencil neck bodies, these scientistic fundamentalist are like their leaders of this new religion who are going forth with the sword, (rockets, jets, nukes), this is their Crusade.

And you missed the meaning of how many Venuses does it take to equal the diameter of the sun. It is not 'appearent' Venuses - meaning the size of Venus as it appears to be from earth, it means the size of Venus compared to the size of the Sun.

Venus would have to be 72% or 3/4 the size of the Sun as seen in our sky, I don't see an object that big, can you show where it is, lol.

And you missed the meaning of how many Venuses does it take to equal the diameter of the sun. It is not 'appearent' Venuses - meaning the size of Venus as it appears to be from earth, it means the size of Venus compared to the size of the Sun.

Now we wake up and smell the coffee, we wake up from this slumber and claim truth back to govern us, the longer we all remain asleep in a fantasy world, the longer the Elites plunder us with debts(LIES), wars(LIES), wages(LIES), etc....

The Punisher: Come on GOD, answer me. For years I'm asking why, why are science lies so gullible? Where is justice? Where is punishment? Or have you already answered, have you already said to the World here is justice, here is punishment, here, in ME.

[1]The names of the sun are these: one Aryares, the other Tomas.[2]The moon has four names. The first is Asonya; the second, Ebla; the third, Benase; and the fourth, Erae.[3]These are the two great luminaries, whose orbs are as the orbs of heaven; and the dimensions of both are equal.

[1]The names of the sun are these: one Aryares, the other Tomas.[2]The moon has four names. The first is Asonya; the second, Ebla; the third, Benase; and the fourth, Erae.[3]These are the two great luminaries, whose orbs are as the orbs of heaven; and the dimensions of both are equal.

Quoting: Punisher

Which makes those bearded jackasses you are quoting doubly blind, because Greeks living hundreds of years before them realized clearly that the sun had to be bigger than the Moon. Even the slightest scrap of logic or observation would tell you that!

(How much bigger, they didn't know. It's difficult to get a good idea without telescopes, and the ability to observe transits. But that it is bigger, is obvious to anyone with two rocks, two arms, and two seconds to spare to hold them up in front of his eyes.)

Which makes those bearded jackasses you are quoting doubly blind, because Greeks living hundreds of years before them realized clearly that the sun had to be bigger than the Moon. Even the slightest scrap of logic or observation would tell you that!

Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 484360

Until yesterday you believed in PLANETS, you pretended to see Venus, now you try to defend those lies with an ancient civilization, how desperate have those who once believed in science become?

Which makes those bearded jackasses you are quoting doubly blind, because Greeks living hundreds of years before them realized clearly that the sun had to be bigger than the Moon. Even the slightest scrap of logic or observation would tell you that!Until yesterday you believed in PLANETS, you pretended to see Venus, now you try to defend those lies with an ancient civilization, how desperate have those who once believed in science become?

No my friend, the Sun & Moon are the same size.

GOD says so!

Quoting: Punisher

dude, you really dont have a clue......venus cant be observed as a sphere to the naked eye because of its distance....i see it every night, have observed it through telescopes(where it does indeed appear as a sphere)...the brilliance of the reflected light from it's surface obscures it's shape to the naked eye.....havent you noticed that venus doesnt "twinkle" like the distant stars? that happens because the stars are producing light, whereas venus only reflects it(from the sun).....the moon, and ol' mac daddy sol are far from the same size, otherwise a solar eclipse would block the sunlight to the entire world at totality(it doesnt, by the way)....you can convince yourself of whatever you like, but it's going to be a long hard road for you to convince anyone that isnt still in the 3rd grade, or profoundly retarded that your theory even merits consideration......maybe you should go back to your old hobby of sniffing glue while assembling "revel" models......

ILLUSION 1: Venus (diameter) 12,103.6 km ~ Moon (diameter) 3476 km = 3.4820 times larger then Moon, for Venus to look the same size of the Sun as the Moon does from Earth, we would have to calculate the distance of the Moon from the Earth and multiply it 3.4820 times.

Venus is 3.4820 times larger then the Moon, therefore, a distance 3.4820 times away from Earth is needed to create the same optical illusion the Moon does with the Sun.

Moon distance from Earth: 384,400 km x 3.4820 = 1,338,480.8 km.

Venus would have to be 1,338,480.8 kilometers away from Earth to look the same size of the Sun as the Moon does from Earth. And since the Earth is 149,600,000 km away from the Sun, Venus would have to orbit at 148,261,519.2 from the Sun.

[149,600,000] - [1,338,480.8] = 148,261,519.2 km.

Science-fiction tells us that Venus occupies the 108,200,000 km position from the Sun, a (difference) of 40,061,519.2 km from Earth, if we take the (hypothetical orbit) of where Venus would appear to have the same size of the Sun from Earth (1,338,480.8 km) and divide it with the (difference) we'd have an approximate of what Venus really looks like in size when viewed from Earth compared to the Sun in her original orbit.

40,061,519.2 (divided) by 1,338,480.8 = 29.93

Venus in her original orbital position loses 30% the size of the Sun as it appears on Earth in our skies.

The Scientistic Radicals will argue that Venus fits 114.84 times along the Sun’s diameter and that to cover the whole surface disk area of the Sun you would need 13,189 images of Venus, this is incorrectly false, here is the proof of that confusing and deceptive scientific lie.

If you would for a moment consider Venus in her hypothetical orbit around Earth where she creates the optical illusion of being the same size as the Sun appears in our skies, Venus at this orbit would appear 100% the same size of the Sun, would fill in all the imaginary 13,189 surface area disk of the Sun. When Venus reassumes her original orbit a certain percentage of that optic, a certain amount of those imaginary surface area disk slots are lost. Lets calculate what percentage and how many surface area disk slots Venus retains in her 108,200,000 km position from the Sun.

ILLUSION 2: On the percentage scale starting at (zero) being the Sun, Venus is 1/13,189 the size of the Sun and all the way-out to her hypothetical orbit of (148,261,519.2) being a 100 percent of the Sun’s size as seen on Earth. When resuming to her original orbit at 108,200,000 km Venus would lose a certain percentage of that optic when viewed from Earth, to calculate that lose we’ll put the hypothetical orbit on a percentage scale and divide into her original position from the Sun.

ILLUSION 3: On the imaginary surface area disk scale Venus is 1/13,189 the size of the Sun and when in her hypothetical orbit (148,261,519.2) Venus covers all the imaginary 13,189 [V] slots, when resuming to her original orbit at 108,200,000 km again a certain amount of these “slots” are lost. Lets calculate how many slots Venus retains when resuming her original position.

dude, you really dont have a clue......venus cant be observed as a sphere to the naked eye because of its distance....i see it every night, have observed it through telescopes(where it does indeed appear as a sphere)...the brilliance of the reflected light from it's surface obscures it's shape to the naked eye.....havent you noticed that venus doesnt "twinkle" like the distant stars? that happens because the stars are producing light, whereas venus only reflects it(from the sun).....the moon, and ol' mac daddy sol are far from the same size, otherwise a solar eclipse would block the sunlight to the entire world at totality(it doesnt, by the way)....you can convince yourself of whatever you like, but it's going to be a long hard road for you to convince anyone that isnt still in the 3rd grade, or profoundly retarded that your theory even merits consideration......maybe you should go back to your old hobby of sniffing glue while assembling "revel" models......

Quoting: ambiguity unlimited

To be precise (to quote from Mssr's Thompson and Thomson), stars twinkle because of their angular size. Essentially, one molecule of air can distort the light. Planets have a larger visual area, even if they are too small to resolve to a disc with the naked eye, and thus smooth out these atmospheric distortions.

But you've got it right about the sun and the moon. As the Greeks reasoned, if the sun is behind the moon but still looks the same size, it must be at least a little bigger. Look at the other movements the Moon is capable of (how far it can get from the sun), and even if you take a geocentric reference frame you still end up with a sun significantly larger than your moon.

Those two rocks came out of your head, read the O-P, there are no planets, we'd see Venus and Mercury in OUR skies.

Quoting: Punisher

I thought you were the OP. Time to clean out your sock drawer?

I've seen Venus, Jupiter, and Mars on many a night. Saturn less frequently these days (I'm living in a light-polluted area now).

Jupiter will be out there tonight, rising I believe about two hours after the Moon. Look up if you have any courage in your convictions. Or are you afraid your Sky Fairy will punish you if you doubt him for even a moment?

"Pray for solace..Pray for resolve..Pray for a savior..Pray for deliverance..Some kind of purpose..A glimpse of a LIGHT in this VOID OF EXISTENCE..Now witness the END of an age..Hope dies in hands of believers..Who seek the truth in the LIAR'S EYE"

"The greatest TRICK the Devil ever pulled was not convincing the world he doesn't exist..But convincing it that he is GOD"

"I have no pleasure in any man who despises music. It is no invention of ours: It is a gift of GOD. I place it next to theology. Satan hates music: He knows how it drives the EVIL spirit OUT of US." - Martin Luther

"What have I done?..Where have I come from?..When I burnt the backs with the SUN through a GLASS..Did I SEAL the loss that's become me?.. Feeling undone..What have I become? ..When I turned my back on you..I turned my back on MYSELF and became this MACHINE"

"What you IGNORE now..Will come OUT of YOU later"

"Stones to throw at my Creator..MASOCHISTS to which I cater..You don't need to bother..I don't need to be..I'll keep slipping farther..But once I hold on..I won't let go 'til it BLEEDS"

dude, you really dont have a clue......venus cant be observed as a sphere to the naked eye because of its distance....i see it every night, have observed it through telescopes(where it does indeed appear as a sphere)...

Quoting: ambiguity unlimited

Sure it would, if it existed it would be seen as a sphere, because the Sun and the Moon are seen as spheres so would Venus, you'd see a sphere floating around blue skies 3/4 the size of our Sun as we see it right here on GOD'S green Earth.

the moon, and ol' mac daddy sol are far from the same size, otherwise a solar eclipse would block the sunlight to the entire world at totality(it doesnt, by the way)....

Quoting: ambiguity unlimited

Any light bulb is the size of my hand, if I put my hand in front of a lit bulb it covers the diameter of the bulb but the room doesn't go dark. Why are you still trying to deceive people with this mental masturbation, did you think this fairytale called science would forever deceive the minds of people? Did you not think that GOD would send someone like me to tell of the truth? Stop lying!!!!!

you can convince yourself of whatever you like, but it's going to be a long hard road for you to convince anyone that isnt still in the 3rd grade, or profoundly retarded that your theory even merits consideration......maybe you should go back to your old hobby of sniffing glue while assembling "revel" models......

Quoting: ambiguity unlimited

You should stop drinking the BONG water, and school has PRETZELIZED your brain, but its never too late for recovery, read the O-P over and over again eventually your mind will free itself and you'll see the light.

GOD is watching and HE is getting the Angels ready, you've been warned.

I've seen Venus, Jupiter, and Mars on many a night. Saturn less frequently these days (I'm living in a light-polluted area now).

Jupiter will be out there tonight, rising I believe about two hours after the Moon. Look up if you have any courage in your convictions. Or are you afraid your Sky Fairy will punish you if you doubt him for even a moment?

Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 484360

I keep my socks on shelves I'm not afraid to hide them like some, and you can't prove that planets exist because I've disproved their existence with mathematical "assertion" and I selected this word carefully because I made a big ASS out of science.