Your Sigil Results, this stuff works!

Have you tried it only once ?
Are you sure you did the whole thing "by the book" ?
How much time it passed between you making the sigil and deciding is not working ?
Hawe you managed to forget the wish for a while or you just dwelled on it on and on ?

Personally, I believe that the idea of performing sigil magic 'by the book' is a contradiction in terms.

Failure is possible only if one does not place sufficient faith (and please remember that this faith is temporary, used as a tool in this technique
rather than demanding long-term and unquestioning commitment) in the act of sigilization to make an impact on one's subconscious mind.

This, ultimately, is the purpose of the act-- to brand the intent symbolized in the sigil in lines of white-hot fire onto one's atavistic mind. Sigil
magic is an internal process, not an external one; it aims to alter one's basic thoughts and perceptions, aiding one in working with clear and
unified mind and purpose toward the realization of their intent.

Normally, our subconscious minds' tendency is toward self-doubt; its nature as host to a dozen simultaneous and often contradictory lines of
thought, opinion, or belief, each of which has a subtle but significant effect on the end product of our conscious minds, works at cross purposes with
a person striving for single-minded pursuit of some goal.

Generally, far less of what we think on a conscious level is the product of true free will; instead, our surface thoughts are a pastiche of the
instincts, memory, belief, fear, and selfishness which roil in our subconscious, loosely bound by a veneer of self-determination. The construction and
application of a well-formed sigil helps to break through this self-negating, obstructive murk, to focus the subconscious mind and make it an ally
rather than an enemy in working toward the achievement of one's intent.

Sigil magic is not about paranormal forces and ancient ritual. It's about directing the powers of one's own consciousness in a more efficient,
useful way. It affects how we think, which determines how we interact with the physical world, rather than affecting the physical world directly as
some magical systems would claim.

The idea behind a sigil is to give us a way to bypass the consciousness and to be able to implant information in the deep mind without the
chit-chatting of the conscious mind.

I've read Spare and Frater U.D. and i clearely remember that Spare - the father of sigil "magic" - didn't even mention faith in his writings. On
the contrary.

The theory behind sigils says that if we want them to work, we have to obliterate the initial idea from our minds. Once the sigil is launched, if we
don't manage to forget the wish or the sigil itself, we clearely deny the purpose of the sigil, since the "wish" is still present in the conscious
plane of the mind and thus subject to doubt, impatience lack of faith etc.

Clearely, there are rules to be obeyed. And faith has nothing to do with it.

Failure is possible only if one does not place sufficient faith (and please remember that this faith is temporary, used as a tool in this technique
rather than demanding long-term and unquestioning commitment) in the act of sigilization to make an impact on one's subconscious mind.

My oppinion is that faith is related to the conscious mind not the deep mind. That's why you need to use a sigil, tu bypass the years needed to
develop faith. Faith is not easy to achieve and to believe you can generate and obliterate faith whenever you want, now that's a contradiction.

Normally, our subconscious minds' tendency is toward self-doubt;

I thought it's the other way arround. The conscious mind is preocupied with theories, proof and doubt. The deep mind doesn't know anything about
that, it just absorbs whatever gets to touch it.

Anyway, I appreciate your oppinion. I consider every bit of information important, regardless if we agree or not on a subject.

I used a combination of 3 sigils in one ceremony to get my friend Kyle and his friend Brittany to start dating. She lived in Arizona, and he in
Illinois at the time. I did the ceremony on the 21st of December, by January 1st she'd called him and they'd started dating. They've been together
since.

I then taught Kyle how to use them, so he spent some time getting a ceremony down to bring Brittany from Arizona to Illinois. It took him 3 tries. She
lives about 40 minutes south of him now, with her sister, mother, father and grandmother. Not a "perfect" case since she's not living with him, but
still an interesting result.

sigil magick along with almost all "chaos" magick coming out of the woodworks in this day and age are actually mostly cristian sorcery. just sayin
to that one person who thinks they are goin to h e bouble hockey sticks.
sigil magick is great because in all reality all you are doing is flexin those subconcious brain muscles o to speak. its a form of prayer and will
only work if you know it will.or hope it will i actually use it alot and ive had very good results. and as far as the personal gain thing goes its
really all about moderation you cant get greedy with any kind of magick or it has a tendency to blow up in your face with that ever so pesky 3 fold
rule.but as long as your not cursing others you should be good light magick doesnt tend to have herendous 3 fold explosions like dark and black magic
do.
i started using sigils before i ever even got on the web and saw the grant morrison vid. when i saw it i cried cuz i kinda thought i was nuts in all
my beliefs lo

This is only partially true, Vnyrchy. Sigils, as a construct, come about with the "grimoires" supposedly written by Biblical kings and famous
ancient magicians. While every single one of these books detailing ceremonial magic is of uncertain veracity, the actual practice of using images,
metals, elements and the stars to craft designs and special talismans for magical uses has existed far longer.

In Egypt the practice was widely practiced to ward off Apep and the "night demons" who accompanied him on his quest to swallow the Ra and the Sun
Barque.

In Voudun a "veve" is essentially a sigil made out of various dust, dirt, powder or other such earthy materials. While Voudu has high
Christian influences, the ceremonial magic aspects of theosophical societies did not touch them.

Eastern European witchcraft, Middle-Eastern Shamanism, Hinduism and even Buddhism all attribute mandalas, etchings, metallurgy and the like in their
religio-spiritual practices. These are all forerunners for the sigil magic practices.

Finally, I agree that sigils are meant to strengthen the mental muscles used predominantly in the act of magical manipulation. That's not to say that
some kind of a "god-head" doesn't exist. There are still no satisfiable explanations for why magical operations work, so what grounds is there to
say it is all 100% mental stimulation causing it?

If I put hours of effort into it, and it still didn't do a thing for me, then we can easily rule out it as not real. It either works or it doesn't,
and it's quite obvious it doesn't. Since I put hours of effort into it and nothing happened, that automatically proves it to be 100% placebo for
you.

It either works, or it doesn't.

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What does anything I said even has to do anything with being 'chosen'?

I'd be waving to the world from my Ivory tower by now to all the little people down there who failed the practise of 'cookie cut sigil magick'.

Magick doesn't just work or doesn't work, we would all be master magicians now if it was just all that simple.

i have read about this sigil creation and magik and maybe i may have had my own manifestation but it was not a good one and the more i focused on it
the more powerful it became,in the end i had to really try and just stop and re focus as this imige was getting out of hand and driving me nuts.

maybe i shall try to focus on something nice and friendly with more positive thoughts. i could do with some good luck.

Well, after researching this subject a little bit, I came to a conclusion that there is nothing "sinister" about this (to those who believe its
something of the devil), its a way to help your sub-conscious mind co-create what you wish to have in your life, I'd like to thank the OP for opening
my mind to this tool - wether it works for me or not!

Iv'e done some sigils in hebrew, and some in english, and would like to check if perhaps one of the languages has a different effect, I have aimed on
a few goals I currently have and will update on the success / failure of it.

What strikes me is the fact that it actually worked for most of the people who tried it..... I personally dont really believe in such coincidences.

Well after reading the document on the seminar by an organisation named
"the purple monkey mafia" i can only endorse this as a great fun read and not a bad philosophy to follow in modern day as to chaos magic or the
creation of magic through the use of sigils,i liked it.

i will be trying this out! any one had any luck? i would love to know your results/methods.

The theory behind sigils says that if we want them to work, we have to obliterate the initial idea from our minds. Once the sigil is launched,
if we don't manage to forget the wish or the sigil itself, we clearely deny the purpose of the sigil, since the "wish" is still present in the
conscious plane of the mind and thus subject to doubt, impatience lack of faith

Then surly this is how you would manifest a sigil as a true
thoughtform, it would start to take on more power and
maybe become more?no?

HOLY MOLY this stuff does work! don't ask me how but it works I did 2 little rituals, made a statement of intent drew the sigil even made up a
language from the words I used in the S O I then off i threw them.

nearly instant results personal gain and some help with a problem both fixed so now for some more. the hardest part i found was forgetting the sigil
once created.

Originally posted by skyblueff0
sigil? ritual? Does anyone care to educate me? How do you choose the right sigil for the right situation? What have everybody been talking about?
Links? I would love to try this over the summer....

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