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Not sure when exactly this started, late November anyways cause they caught it @ 11/23 or so. But they are shipping now, presumably with new master cylinders included for the dealerships to install. LOL So there will likely be a backup at the dealerships to get the part replaced depending on how fast they restock. Dealers in my area have 2 OB's "in transit" each. not very heartening!

I agree that this may be a good time to move on an OB. Depends on how picky you are in terms of selection. I have been looking at the base models but am thinking I should go for the premium with awp and HK stereo, as I plan this to be a long term vehicle. Was originally looking at making the move in early January after the Auto Show here in Detroit.

Seems dealers started to offer below invoice price before negotiation (MA).My target is OTD below 27k for 2.5i premium w/ AWP, autodimm mirror, popular package #3.Don't know if there is more room to bargain in the last month of the year.

I just wanted to share my deal with everyone. Just purchased a 2012 Outback 2.5i Limited with Power Moonroof. Has the power moonroof, auto-dimming rear view mirror, rear vision camera, homelink, puddle lights.

MSRP: $31,500Invoice: $29,066

Selling Price: $27,495Doc Fee $156Sales Tax: $2,560New Plates: $219

OTD: $30,430

I was a big fan of my dealer and sales person. They were non commission and I think the deal was pretty good.

"Think twice about trading in your used car at the dealer!Dealer's never give you fair market value for your car. They offer wholesale value, which is much less. This is so they can sell your trade-in and make a profit. The wholesale value is quoted in Edmunds, Kelly Blue Book, or most of the other internet car pricing sites. The problem is, many dealers like to low ball the wholesale figure too."

There was a trade in. However, I negotiated the price via email before I even stepped into the dealership to begin talking about the trade in.

I will say that the puddle lights weren't initially in the price negotiations though. Turns out that someone else had put a deposit on the car we originally negotiated so they went and brought in another car with the exact same specs + puddle lights and gave it to me at the same price.

Negotiated price of car 27995 including destination. + sales tax, title, fees (156). Illinois mandates the amounts on these three items -- non-negotiable except for doc which could go less than 156.).

After this was finalized, we then talked about a trade.

Found dealer (Grand Subaru) via the Subaru website, in Bensenville, il. Dealt via email with Dan D. Dan was great and did not make me do a lot of back and forth with the car. We did do a bit on the trade which I got the price boosted by 10%. Car was waiting for the test drive when we pulled in on Saturday PM. Finance guy was another story, I heard the '2more minutes' every5-10 minutes three times. Eventually we got in and when we got over his astonishment that I did not want their (3rd party) warranty the deal closed quickly. It was typical nice Saturday afternoon, with other customers buying cars, so I am not sure it the total time was too long or not, but beginning to end it was about 2 hours. My record for in and out is 40 minutes including a trade in and a test drive.

Hey tripel, I too am from NYC in Queens. What other dealers have you gotten quotes from, in Queens & Long Island. I am in search of an 2012 Outback Premium CVT w/AWP. I have gotten 2 quotes of $26,102 and $26,075. Is this a good deal or can I do better? I have not counter offer yet.

Just to clarify, was that your out-the-door price?or was tax on top of that? If ppl can get out the door thousands less than MSRP, that seems like an awesome deal to me.Closest I got was pretty much at MSRP for a 2.5 Limited w Moonroof, for around $31K. As taxes, tags and licence would've been another $3K or so, that's what I was saving ....but trying to do better...if you're under $28K all in, that's sweet.I might fly to Chi for that ..or Deleware -- that do-able?

To the other Q on NYC, I went to Koeppel in Queens to test drive, and they tried to sell me pretty weak deal, so left that place. then used Truecar and was emailing several places. Liberty Subaru in Paramus NJ was the most responsive, and got down to the deal that basically negated TTL cost.

But I'm in no rush as I can wait through the winter for the best deal (no need to pay for a garage in NYC through the winter!)

I was in to a Subaru dealership here in the Detroit area on Saturday looking at a base model with alloy wheel package. I had the truecar statement which put the sale price at @$2000 of the MSRP. Actually I was hoping for more but this was without negotiation. When it came to my trade-in was where they tried to make their money back. Bluebook says my current vehicle is worth @$4000 and the salesman said they would probably offer @$1000 but they came back at$2200. No go. I'll try again later. They weren't in any hurry to sell the car anyways as the vehicle I wanted was "in transit". No sense going out of your way to sell a car you don't even have yet.Now that I have waited I am thinking about the new XV out next year.

Price of car was 27995 including destination. Taxes and 156 doc fee and plate transfer were additional. Since these vary state to state (and county to county) I don't think you can compare based on that. Some states doc fees are hundreds more. In Illinois the sales tax is also computed on the net price less the trade, so that will also goof the numbers up. Invoice on the car I got was 29373. There has to be a holdback out there, but I couldn't nail that down. I'm sure he didn't lose any money over this.

I don't think residents in NY and New England area can get a price close to other areas.(1) PZEV partial zero emission vehicle $300, is required on 4 cylinders in CA, CT, MA, MD, ME, NH, NJ, NY, OR, PA, RI, VT, WA(2) If you check truecar, you will find a $1300 regional Ad fee which is not applied to IL, DE, or other southern states.

$1600 extra on your sticker price compared with same trim in other areas.