Tiki as a player, despise him in retirement. Never liked Tarkenton either. Big mouth whiner, whines his way to a stacked team that Joe fucking Kapp took to the Super Bowl and couldn't win the big one. He couldn't stay in the pocket and march a team down the field when the money was on the table.

...who didn't get the most out of it, and where injuries weren't the dominant factor. William Joseph is a good example, although he seems to have been a good kid in other respects. Derek Brown is another. Butch Woolfolk. Tyrone Wheatley.

Guys like Ron Dayne, Sinorice Moss and Tim Carter were more the team's fault than the the players'. They had huge holes in their games from day one.

I was never a big Shockey fan, but the guy had passion. He's just dumb as a brick. He and Burress were both Faustian bargains. The team knew the deal with them, and chose to take the bad with the good.

a player like Dave Brown ... who did all that was asked of him but just wasn't good enough ... same as Ron Dayne ... whose college career was made because he was faster that the college defenses he faced ... but we asked him to play his size because he wasn't faster than NFL defenses ... or some other player who was slowed by injuries ...

Save the hate for a Derek Brown or the ilk who looked at their rookie contract as retirement pay ...

According to a lot of Giants fans, the biggest goats in two of the biggest blown leads in NFL history were a long snapper and a punter. Fuckin' Trey Junkin, allowing the Niners to score all those touchdowns.

1. Jeremy Shockey: I have always hated arrogance and selfishness, but Shockey took it to another level when it came out that he would just run his own routes and do whatever he wanted after the snap. It's that kind of behavior that obstructs our offense and makes Eli look bad.

2. Lomas Brown- not necessarily what he did while on the Giants, but when he admitted that he tanked plays in Detroit so that his QB Scott Mitchell could get knocked out of the game, I lost all respect for a guy who considerably had a great career.

Bastard didn't want the ball when Pisarchik handed it off and caused the fumble a loss and let the damn eagles into the playoffs. Worst thing is he accepts no responsibility for his role and he's a smug bastard about it

and that he would take the heat for it. THe rest is history, but it worked out for the best. Had "the Fumble" not happened,they probably win 8 or 9 games that year, nothing would have changed and the Giants would probably not be the model franchise that they are today.

... not the person. Re-read the original post, and the question posed. Brown was a terrible player and a disastrous draft choice. I'm sure he's a good guy and all. I'm glad his life has turned out well, and you have every right to defend your friend. Unfortunately, as a Giant, he sucked. First round picks who utterly suck will be disliked by the fans.

The two D. Browns embodied everything that went wrong during the last third of George Young's tenure; Following Mark Bavaro and Phil Simms made them especially easy to dislike as players, though by all accounts they are completely likable off the field.

Selfish Ahole that attempted to carve out a post NFL broadcasting career by throwing his coaches and teammates under the bus. Happens to also be a reprehensible human being in his personal life as well. He stood at Wellington Maras bedside vigil yet utterly failed to understand what being a man is really about.

Micks starts what is obviously just a "for-fun" thread where you reveal your secret dislikes that we all have

and than the self-appointed BBI censors come on the thread and denounce posters for their "idiocy" in disliking certain players, obviously missing the point that our "likes" and "dislikes" are often irrational and the purpose of the thread was to have the guilty pleasure of revealing them

As a former player who played with and against NFL guys I suppose I have a very hard time understanding how fans can have such hatred towards guys on their favorite team who are doing their level best to succeed in a very tough occupation.

I used to hear fans at the college level scream some of the nastiest shit imaginable within earshot of my mother and other player's parents - used to drive me nuts.

for their playing time. Closest I'd guess would be Ron Dayne, who I felt always just played soft. I appreciate the guys who don't succeed provided I think they're trying their best. It's why (say today) I'm not down on Wilson. I know he's all effort, and he's not going to fumble every week. Folks seem to forget he had exactly one fumble all year last year.

When he first arrived, the press on him was very sympathetic. Maybe that was fluff, or maybe things went south for him later. In any case, I was thinking mostly of how I viewed the players while they were here. In Joseph's case, it was mostly: "Seems like a decent kid. I really shouldn't dislike him so much just because he stinks."

1) Largely one-dimensional player who - either by design or inclination - didn't show much interest in the dirty work of defending the run (a stark contrast to his supposed role model, Strahan).

2) Incessant whining about a contract that gave him security against injury, although that contract worked out much better for him than it did for the team, since he lost one season to injury and was severely impaired during at least two others.

You know who I loathed? Just for his one stupid mistake was Shaun Williams after that penalty that off set the 15 yard penalty SF had. We could've had another 15 yards at the end of the game but he pushed someone like a moron to negate the call against the 49ers.

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