Actually putting tuner BS aside for a few moments, moving the cats back in the exhaust stream is great for power. They become less of a restriction as the exhaust gas cools, with the trade off of less efficient operation when cold. Not a bad trade off. Catless downpipes with stock secondary cats FTW!

Tuner BS? Now that is funny. I dont have an "order" for catless dps. But the are being supplies to me for mapping purposes. Just because I won't keep them on my car for longer than it takes doesn't mean that neither will any of our customers. But when our produce is making as much power as it is, on pump gas with primary cats in place, I think we are making a pretty compelling argument, no?

Tuner BS? Now that is funny. I dont have an "order" for catless dps. But the are being supplies to me for mapping purposes. Just because I won't keep them on my car for longer than it takes doesn't mean that neither will any of our customers. But when our produce is making as much power as it is, on pump gas with primary cats in place, I think we are making a pretty compelling argument, no?

Anyway my point of moving exhaust restrictions further down the exhaust stream makes a lot of sense. Save your marketing psychobabble for the vendor forum.

The v2 upgrade isn't just the harness Terry. And you should know that by now. After all, who would be silly enough to sell a handful of passive electrical components with virtually no IP for that kind of mark-up... Oh wait

The v2 upgrade isn't just the harness Terry. And you should know that by now. After all, who would be silly enough to sell a handful of passive electrical components with virtually no IP for that kind of mark-up... Oh wait

Shiv

No reason to beat a dead horse, but any time you want to post certified cost cards so the world can see who is really marking up prices, just let me know.

Getting back to exhaust, so far I'm pretty impressed with primary cats deleted, secondary cats in place. Car doesn't smell at all, and sounds awesome. You get the turbo spool without all the exhaust noise.

Seriously though, if a smog test resulted in a pass with the primaries gone and the secondary’s in place, I would have a better feelling about running them. I am fiscally conservative and socially moderate, making me far from a tree hugger. But a little social responsibility should be accounted for.

Anyone who can transition seamlessly from defending one vendor and bashing another vendor to bashing the one he formally defended and defending the one he formally bashed has a instant credibility problem.

No reason to beat a dead horse, but any time you want to post certified cost cards so the world can see who is really marking up prices, just let me know.

Getting back to exhaust, so far I'm pretty impressed with primary cats deleted, secondary cats in place. Car doesn't smell at all, and sounds awesome. You get the turbo spool without all the exhaust noise.

Now that was a comeback.

Let's compare. Actually, I don't care how much you're making on this product Shiv....