I don't understand why you guys go to the BWI board when you dont really care anything about PSU or about what really happened there. The NCAA punished PSU for "the atmosphere." one of the punishments was making sure PSU players are keeping up with their academics and are required to report to someone from the NCAA. First of all, why isnt every school forced to do this? Second, PSU had the highest graduation amongst major college football programs and the highest among african American athletes. But yet they need to keep their academics in order? So suddenly the NCAA care about academics? By allowing PSU players to transfer to any school without losing any eligibility they are clearly putting football ahead of academics. Seems pretty hypocritical to me.

What metric do you use to measure the atmosphere of a program btw?

When I'm in the mood for sheer insanity, it's great to read it just to see how insular and vile humanity can be.

A community of online people that not only do not condem, but comment on another's persons post of (and I paraphrase but it's close) "Was it rape if there was no blood?" is a sick place indeed.

The crazy conspiracy theories crack me up. "This is retaliation for JoePa pushing for instant replay" in response to the B1G penalty.

"This has nothing to do with football!" (Just ignore the fact that the school executive for student discipline was fired for trying to get the football team to follow school rules and police procedures. On campus and off campus. No extra benefits to having a large number of starters clean up a stadium for breaking into a house and assaulting a student instead of getting suspended and serving jail time.)

There is so much craziness that isn't shot down and mocked by sane PSU people. I guess the sane ones left. The moderators are definitely insane for allowing a lot of that nonsense to go on.

When I'm in the mood for sheer insanity, it's great to read it just to see how insular and vile humanity can be.

A community of online people that not only do not condem, but comment on another's persons post of (and I paraphrase but it's close) "Was it rape if there was no blood?" is a sick place indeed.

The crazy conspiracy theories crack me up. "This is retaliation for JoePa pushing for instant replay" in response to the B1G penalty.

"This has nothing to do with football!" (Just ignore the fact that the school executive for student discipline was fired for trying to get the football team to follow school rules and police procedures. On campus and off campus. No extra benefits to having a large number of starters clean up a stadium for breaking into a house and assaulting a student instead of getting suspended and serving jail time.)

There is so much craziness that isn't shot down and mocked by sane PSU people. I guess the sane ones left. The moderators are definitely insane for allowing a lot of that nonsense to go on.

So once or twice a week, it's work a read.

Great point. They're probably Slippery Rock fans now. Wont be much difference on the field.

1. players are able to transfer now or at the end of the season without sitting out a year

2. if they want to remain at penn state, they will still be able to play football

3. if they want to remain at penn state, but not play football, they will still have their scholarship honored

they still get a good education for free, which is the point of college

Players have had coaches (not from PSU) outside their apartments, the football building and their classes waiting to talk to them (no exaggeration on that). There are no rules for coaches to recruit them to transfer. Also, most of the players are taking summer classes. Tell me how that doesn't affect them?

Also, so far over 50 players have publically stated that they're staying at PSU, including the entire starting defense. I think Redd is the only starter on offense that hasn't publically stated that he is staying. Only 1 player has indicated that he's transferring (Nowicki to Illinois, although O'Brien said today that not a single player has said that they're transferring).

Lets face it, the transfer rules that the NCAA set up just for this was to disassemble the PSU team.

When I'm in the mood for sheer insanity, it's great to read it just to see how insular and vile humanity can be.

A community of online people that not only do not condem, but comment on another's persons post of (and I paraphrase but it's close) "Was it rape if there was no blood?" is a sick place indeed.

The crazy conspiracy theories crack me up. "This is retaliation for JoePa pushing for instant replay" in response to the B1G penalty.

"This has nothing to do with football!" (Just ignore the fact that the school executive for student discipline was fired for trying to get the football team to follow school rules and police procedures. On campus and off campus. No extra benefits to having a large number of starters clean up a stadium for breaking into a house and assaulting a student instead of getting suspended and serving jail time.)

There is so much craziness that isn't shot down and mocked by sane PSU people. I guess the sane ones left. The moderators are definitely insane for allowing a lot of that nonsense to go on.

I don't understand why you guys go to the BWI board when you dont really care anything about PSU or about what really happened there. The NCAA punished PSU for "the atmosphere." one of the punishments was making sure PSU players are keeping up with their academics and are required to report to someone from the NCAA. First of all, why isnt every school forced to do this? Second, PSU had the highest graduation amongst major college football programs and the highest among african American athletes. But yet they need to keep their academics in order? So suddenly the NCAA care about academics? By allowing PSU players to transfer to any school without losing any eligibility they are clearly putting football ahead of academics. Seems pretty hypocritical to me.

What metric do you use to measure the atmosphere of a program btw?

I think a good metric to measure "atmosphere" is the covering up of a pervert and child molester in your football program for almost a decade.

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BTW, if it's 3rd and 97... I'm throwing a screen pass to Brian Leonard and he will convert.

He wasnt in our program. Sadusky was retired at the time. If you read the Freeh report, you would know that.

The denial is just incredible. It's seriously unreal. We had a known pedophile walking around our campus and we covered it up and defended him because JoePa is god and WE ARE PENN ST so you can all suck it and are all jealous haters. It's un-*******-real.

Seriously, everyone backing penn state in this scandal (like those such as yourself in such denial) are an embarrassment to the human race. A ******* child molester. A ******* PEDOPHILE. He was waking around your campus and screwed up the lives and heads of so many innocent children, yet you're all too concerned about the ******* image of Penn st's football program and Joepa. It's just a disgrace, it really is. The excuses are just laughable. The defenses are hilarious. It's just sickening all the way around how people, such as yourself, can have such a standpoint. It's just a disgrace and disgusting

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Originally Posted by PalmerToCJ

BTW, if it's 3rd and 97... I'm throwing a screen pass to Brian Leonard and he will convert.

Sandusky got a fair trial. Schultz and Curley will get a fair trial. I don't know what you're talking about at all.

I'm talking about the rush to judgement of everyone involved. Everyone is jumping to conclusions because they read a summary of the Freeh report. Anyone who actually read it knows that Freeh jumps to some big conclusions with any evidence and without even talking to the 4 main people involved. Schultz and Curley will go to trial, we will find out more, and then we can begin to draw conclusions. The evidence against Paterno in the Free report is almost non existent. People claim the "atmosphere" was the issue, but can't possibly know why without reading the report. The Freeh group themselves said that the NCAA shouldn't have used it for punishment, and that they should have done their own investigation. The Freeh report is a joke but everyone assumes they know what happened because they read a summary, or they heard a news person regurgitate the same summary without reading it or knowing any facts whatsoever.

It's funny that people claim the we have "blind" faith are also the people who won't even read the Freeh report. Laziness is not a excuse for ignorance.

The denial is just incredible. It's seriously unreal. We had a known pedophile walking around our campus and we covered it up and defended him because JoePa is god and WE ARE PENN ST so you can all suck it and are all jealous haters. It's un-*******-real.

Seriously, everyone backing penn state in this scandal (like those such as yourself in such denial) are an embarrassment to the human race. A ******* child molester. A ******* PEDOPHILE. He was waking around your campus and screwed up the lives and heads of so many innocent children, yet you're all too concerned about the ******* image of Penn st's football program and Joepa. It's just a disgrace, it really is. The excuses are just laughable. The defenses are hilarious. It's just sickening all the way around how people, such as yourself, can have such a standpoint. It's just a disgrace and disgusting

My god no one in there right mind thinks pedophilia is ok. Can you stop trying to act like supporting Penn State means we support child rape. I never said what happened was ok. So get that through your head. I don't support the decision that was made. I stand up for JoePa because there is no proof that he was even involved in the decision, let alone the cover up. Not because I think he was god, but because I think it's what's fair. Would you like it if the media labeled some close to you as a child rapist enabler without any proof?

You claim that Paterno was part of the cover up, but you probably didn't read more than the summAry of the report. B*******. Learn the facts before you write things about people. You are simply incapable of thinking for yourself and only accept the popular opinion.

No. The administration who signed his retirement contract and those who gave him emeritus status did.

So how about the picture I posted earlier of them when Paterno already knew of the 98 incident? Why did Paterno lie to the Grand Jury saying he only knew of the McQueary incident when he also knew about the 98 incident?

Paterno also had the most control in limiting Sandusky's access to the football facilities and he never barred Sandusky from them fully knowing of all the assaults that took place by JS.

My god no one in there right mind thinks pedophilia is ok. Can you stop trying to act like supporting Penn State means we support child rape. I never said what happened was ok. So get that through your head. I don't support the decision that was made. I stand up for JoePa because there is no proof that he was even involved in the decision, let alone the cover up. Not because I think he was god, but because I think it's what's fair. Would you like it if the media labeled some close to you as a child rapist enabler without any proof?

You claim that Paterno was part of the cover up, but you probably didn't read more than the summAry of the report. B*******. Learn the facts before you write things about people. You are simply incapable of thinking for yourself and only accept the popular opinion.

Holy ******* blinders batman.

It's the stance of denial that you and so many other penn st fans that just makes this so much worse.

the attitude of Nalej is what makes me feel sorry for some psu fans, players and alum because this is so awful and stains their school.

but you, this denial, this sick "going to the grave" with JoePa when there's been emails, reports and other evidence of JoePa knowing and not doing enough which is just sickening. Right, I should learn the facts. Those emails aren't real. JoePa clearly didn't know that he had a child rapist amongst him.

Even if JoePa for some reason didn't know, then you're idol and god of psu is a moron for not knowing.

But no, it's clearly unfair to JoePa. Let's pity him and how the big bad media and national attention has painted this saint into a monster so wrongfully.

Stop defending him to, and beyond, the grave. It's embarrassing. It's taking away from the true disgrace that occurred and penn st fans, such as yourself, are now trying to play victim and claim JoePa is innocent. He's such a saint. His hands are CLEARLY clean of this.

LEAVE JOEPA ALONE

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Originally Posted by PalmerToCJ

BTW, if it's 3rd and 97... I'm throwing a screen pass to Brian Leonard and he will convert.

The Freeh report says that there was no connection between Sandusky retiring and the 98 investigation.

Irrelevant.

Ignoring the Freeh report, which you seem like you would love to do, by Paterno's own grand jury testimony he knew that something of a sexual nature was going on with Sandusky and young boys as early as 2001. According to the Freeh report this was a lie and Paterno knew as early as 1998.

Knowing that, and the fact that Sandusky was allowed to use campus facilities and work around children through his arrest is enough for me to connect the dots. Even while the grand jury was being conducted and between then and his arrest, Sandusky wasnt banned from campus and still brought young boys around campus. Plenty of people knew he was raping kids and no one did a damn thing about it. Everyone that knew allowed him to continue to use campus facilities and work with children with the charity.

They knew, and didn't stop it. That's enough for me, and I don't know how it's not enough for any human with a brain. Anyone that knew of these allegations, and I mean anyone, should have done everything within their power to stop it. None of them did, making them all pretty ****** people.

Let's make this real simple. Just answer one question for me. When do you think Joe Paterno first knew about Sandusky raping boys on campus?

I'm talking about the rush to judgement of everyone involved. Everyone is jumping to conclusions because they read a summary of the Freeh report. Anyone who actually read it knows that Freeh jumps to some big conclusions with any evidence and without even talking to the 4 main people involved. Schultz and Curley will go to trial, we will find out more, and then we can begin to draw conclusions. The evidence against Paterno in the Free report is almost non existent. People claim the "atmosphere" was the issue, but can't possibly know why without reading the report. The Freeh group themselves said that the NCAA shouldn't have used it for punishment, and that they should have done their own investigation. The Freeh report is a joke but everyone assumes they know what happened because they read a summary, or they heard a news person regurgitate the same summary without reading it or knowing any facts whatsoever.

It's funny that people claim the we have "blind" faith are also the people who won't even read the Freeh report. Laziness is not a excuse for ignorance.

Ok, you're being VERY dense. You're the one that said they deserved a fair trial and when I pointed out that they were getting one you then said 'but people are already being mean'. Those are two different things. Figure out which one you're actually angry about. First, both the court of public opinion and NCAA legislation are NOT bound by your constitutional rights. Get over it.

Secondly, to your point about not supporting child rapists. We agree, we don't think you do. But, you certainly don't seem to respect the true crimes that occurred. Let me put it in another scenario that maybe sheds light on why everyone in the world thinks you guys are being immature, disgusting little children about this. Say your neighbors house burns to the ground. They lose everything. Their lives are devastated by what occurred. These people are literally standing outside the burning remains of everything they had accumulated throughout their entire lives. Then they overhear you, their neighbor, whining like a brat about how the house fire increased the air temperature in the neighborhood requiring you to run your air conditioner a little bit more than usual. That brat is how the rest of the world, who maintains their sanity, views PSU supporters like yourself.