The P08 is a pointless sidearm

T4R. The 1911 has similar stats but with a lower BTK and better reload time which IMO makes the P08 a total waste of a weapon choice. Some of you may point out to me that the P08 has better recoil control but this doesn't matter on a gun which you'll be exclusively hipfiring anyway.

I see threads on Symthic and Reddit in which people with no high-level experience hold up the P08 as a solid sidearm choice using complex mathematical formulas and it blows my mind. I don't know why anybody is saying the P08 is worth placing anywhere besides the bottom of the trash heap. I tried using the P08 the other day, after which I contracted simian AIDS and now I only have six months to live. Try the 1911 instead.

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The P08 looks like a decent choice compared to any single other option, but once you start comparing all of them it loses a lot of appeal. Even just among the four standard pistols.

All it really has over the Mle is slightly better end damage (not overly relevant) and reload time. The C93 is almost a straight upgrade, with the C93's lower start damage not changing BTK and end damage being mostly irrelevant; most other stats are identical, while the C93 fires (and thus kills) faster. It basically takes all three other standard pistols and gives you one with none of their downsides... but also none of their benefits either.

The only way I can think of to make them a more balanced choice set would be to buff it to 360rpm, matching the Mle and C93, and adjusting some other stat or two. Ultimately, it's the 4BTK coupled with the slower 300rpm RoF, giving it the slowest TTK of the four, that kills the gun.

T4R. The 1911 has similar stats but with a lower BTK and better reload time which IMO makes the P08 a total waste of a weapon choice. Some of you may point out to me that the P08 has better recoil control but this doesn't matter on a gun which you'll be exclusively hipfiring anyway.

I see threads on Symthic and Reddit in which people with no high-level experience hold up the P08 as a solid sidearm choice using complex mathematical formulas and it blows my mind. I don't know why anybody is saying the P08 is worth placing anywhere besides the bottom of the trash heap. I tried using the P08 the other day, after which I contracted simian AIDS and now I only have six months to live. Try the 1911 instead.

I beg to differ.

If I wanted a sidearm that kills very fast up close, I'd pick a revolver. All revolvers kill considerably faster than the 1911 under 10m. Past that distance, I'd rather pick the more accurate sidearm for consistent hitrates and damage. The P08's better hrecoil statistics give it better ranged performance than the 1911.

It is hard to argue with the MLE and C93 as alternatives, though; I mainly use the P08 for personal preference rather than competitive advantage.

I find that having the same secondary weapon with same behaviour throughout all kits is more valuable than using the "best" class specific weapon. More simple and reliable that way. So I just throw the C93 on all kits.

If anything, I'd say that the P08's recoil, while still considerably lower than the M1911, is what kills it in comparison to the 359 rpm pistols. 0.5 degrees of horizontal recoil in both directions is pretty insane when compared to its closest counterparts. Also, the lower rate of fire means that recoil and spread decrease will kick in slightly slower.

The P08 is a solid handgun, but that really doesn't prevent it from being one of the most irrelevant handguns in the game. It's just slightly edged out by its competition. Not by much, but just enough that it's noticeable.

Yes I agree that the P08 is pretty pointless. If I want to click at 256rpm, M1911 has the 3BTK that P08 doesn't have. If I want lower recoil, I would go for the 359rpm options. If I feel like spamming, I would go for the 449rpm options. In a nutshell, P08's lower recoil is nullified by its limited fire rate.

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