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Can say that it was a lack of experience etc. but what ultimately cost us was the lack of a strong referee... They should have been down to 9 men (Barzagli and Pjanic should have been off) and 3 minutes of stoppage time at the end?... Should have been at least 5... but hey, UEFA got one of their establishment clubs through so who cares...

I'm not sure we are that hated really. Fans from other clubs, those that use social media, tend to hop across all teams posts and write negative speil. Its just the culture these days and certainly not specific to Spurs.

Speaking personally, I have had Everton, Liverpool, Man City and even a Shrewsbury fan come up to me at work to offer condolences. They were all supporting us and respect what we have built.

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Can say that it was a lack of experience etc. but what ultimately cost us was the lack of a strong referee... They should have been down to 9 men (Barzagli and Pjanic should have been off) and 3 minutes of stoppage time at the end?... Should have been at least 5... but hey, UEFA got one of their establishment clubs through so who cares...

Call me biased but I'm not convinced that the Vertonghen Costa incident was a pen, only one bit of concrete contact and that was after the initial tackle when Costa had decided to throw himself to the ground. However, you can balance it with the two handballs, the Benatia one right at the start was a stone waller, not so much the Chiellini one.

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Call me biased but I'm not convinced that the Vertonghen Costa incident was a pen, only one bit of concrete contact and that was after the initial tackle when Costa had decided to throw himself to the ground. However, you can balance it with the two handballs, the Benatia one right at the start was a stone waller, not so much the Chiellini one.

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I've seen so much praise of Allegri among forums and pundits this morning and I don't really buy it. Every analysis done with the benefit of hindsight of course and with little or no regard to how complex these tactical decisions are in real time.

Our game plan was working perfectly until their first goal and the second goal came just minutes after. So you're proposing that Pochettino should have subbed on Wanyama or gone three at the back as soon as Asamoha and Lichetensteiner came on? Higuan scored in the 64th minute, that's 4 minutes after Lichtenstein came on (...which was the sub that really changed the tide of the match imo). I'd understand the criticism if we would have seen tendencies of Juventus actually creating chances before the first goal but there wasn't in my opinion. That goal came from nowhere and completely changed the match.

A more cynical coach might have changed things directly after their first goal. I can understand that viewpoint and it would probably have been the right call but you can't blame Pochettino for not being tactically aware for the first goal. Unless you're proposing that we should have parked the bus directly in the second half but that could have been equally devastating as it might have left oceans of time for Juventus to just go at us.

If Allegri is such a mastermind we wouldn't have outplayed them for 60 minutes. We football fans put far too much emphasize on tactics sometimes. You could as easily just point out that one of Dier / Sanchez / Vertonghen should have had his eyes pinned at Higuain for their first goal - just as Chiellini had his on Kane. For their second goal our press play didn't work and Higuain was allowed put a dangerous through ball down our back four and furthermore Trippier stopped tracking Dybala because he deemed it an offside. Individual errors? Tactical nuance? It's probably a combination of both but the latter usually gets far too much attention.

What ultimately let us down was inexperience. Even though Juventus were pressed back they kept they calm and took their chances when they occurred and then closed the match. All in all we have to consider how far we've come as a club, we've had a tremendous CL run considering the opponents we drew. I'm certain we'll learn from this and I can guarantee you that no team will cheer if they draw us next year in the CL.

IMO, bringing on Lichsteiner was a pivotal moment but the warning signs were there right from the start. Costa was giving Davies a torrid time and I for one expected him to play on the left against Trippier. We never really got to grips with it and seemed to let it ride because Son was getting loads of space behind Costa. However, Lichsteiner immediately caused a major overload on that side and we suffered the consequences. If Son had taken the chances he got it would have been Allegri's tactics being called into question.

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Call me biased but I'm not convinced that the Vertonghen Costa incident was a pen, only one bit of concrete contact and that was after the initial tackle when Costa had decided to throw himself to the ground. However, you can balance it with the two handballs, the Benatia one right at the start was a stone waller, not so much the Chiellini one.

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Call me biased but I'm not convinced that the Vertonghen Costa incident was a pen, only one bit of concrete contact and that was after the initial tackle when Costa had decided to throw himself to the ground. However, you can balance it with the two handballs, the Benatia one right at the start was a stone waller, not so much the Chiellini one.

I'm know there wasn't loads of contact but I'm old school and imo if the defender slides in, doesn't get any of the ball and causes the defender to lose his balance or fall then it should be a pen.

I was sat in block 533 so staring directly at it and in real time I thought it was a stone waller (I actually shouted no and had my head in my hands and couldn't believe it when it wasn't given) but I agree the replay blurs matters somewhat.

Interestingly I wonder if Juve scoring first might have had a positive effect on the game.

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Call me biased but I'm not convinced that the Vertonghen Costa incident was a pen, only one bit of concrete contact and that was after the initial tackle when Costa had decided to throw himself to the ground. However, you can balance it with the two handballs, the Benatia one right at the start was a stone waller, not so much the Chiellini one.

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There's no player we could've realistically sign that would've significantly changed what happened yesterday.
It was down to luck and experience. I know everyone is talking about Juve's experience, but they were also really lucky

We lack experience in this kind of games. We'll get there though (if we continue to qualify)

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There's no player we could've realistically sign that would've significantly changed what happened yesterday.
It was down to luck and experience. I know everyone is talking about Juve's experience, but they were also really lucky

We lack experience in this kind of games. We'll get there though (if we continue to qualify)

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Call me biased but I'm not convinced that the Vertonghen Costa incident was a pen, only one bit of concrete contact and that was after the initial tackle when Costa had decided to throw himself to the ground. However, you can balance it with the two handballs, the Benatia one right at the start was a stone waller, not so much the Chiellini one.

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There's no player we could've realistically sign that would've significantly changed what happened yesterday.
It was down to luck and experience. I know everyone is talking about Juve's experience, but they were also really lucky

We lack experience in this kind of games. We'll get there though (if we continue to qualify)

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