Maybe on the demon blood thing, but I'm pretty sure he's infested with the 7th sha, especially given some of the things you'll see in quests. We've only seen 6, there's definitely 7 per the 7 heads of Y'shaarj.

I think the Sha-influenced is more likely than him having sold out to the Legion. Mostly because this way he gets to be redeemed rather than killed.

Or, more likely, redeemed, *then* Vol'jin shoots him in the neck.

Yeah, I'm fine with him being "redeemed", but I still don't want him around. Hopefully, if it plays out that he is possessed by the 7th Sha, we'll get to fight him as a legitimate raid boss. And then we can kill him. He can have all the deathbed apologies he wants, but I still want him gone.

Maybe on the demon blood thing, but I'm pretty sure he's infested with the 7th sha, especially given some of the things you'll see in quests. We've only seen 6, there's definitely 7 per the 7 heads of Y'shaarj.

I don't believe Garrosh is currently Sha infested, but I would not be shocked to see him ultimately consume/be consumed by the 7th Sha - it's been demonstrated he's all about accumulating power long before he set foot on the island and all he's done since he's arrived there is continue down that path.

As for the demon blood, you all may want to wander through the new Ragefire Caverns sometime....

Woo first heroic down! Jin'rokh 10H isn't all that hard as such, but boy is he a bitch to learn. The mechanics and tuning are fairly straightforward, but it's one of those fights where 1 mistake from anyone is an instant wipe.

Only 6 minutes so it's not too bad, but it's very draining when you spend a night playing musical chair mistakes.

The datamined sound files from 5.3 reveal the 7th Sha, and I would say it fits quite well with Garrosh and quite possible that he is possessed by it (but not confirmed).

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The 7th Sha is the Sha of Pride

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I'm pretty interested with the possible connection between Y'saarj and Sagaeras that was hypothesized in the latest know your lore tinfoil hat. Cause if the next expansion is to off Sageras... That's pretty much it right.

The datamined sound files from 5.3 reveal the 7th Sha, and I would say it fits quite well with Garrosh and quite possible that he is possessed by it (but not confirmed).

Spoiler: show

The 7th Sha is the Sha of Pride

Spoiler: show

I'm pretty interested with the possible connection between Y'saarj and Sagaeras that was hypothesized in the latest know your lore tinfoil hat. Cause if the next expansion is to off Sageras... That's pretty much it right.

They mentioned in an interview last week that was quoted on Legendary (sorry I don't recall the dev name or where he said it) that they have the rough, top-line, basic ideas for the next 2 expansions already. I don't think we'll be rushing into that topic next expac if they are planning for 2 more.

I'm pretty interested with the possible connection between Y'saarj and Sagaeras that was hypothesized in the latest know your lore tinfoil hat. Cause if the next expansion is to off Sageras... That's pretty much it right.

I haven't read that Know Your Lore stuff, but how they came to their conclusions is pretty important. The Black Prince has basically told us that the Legion is already headed our way. Is there a reason to think there's a link?

I'm pretty interested with the possible connection between Y'saarj and Sagaeras that was hypothesized in the latest know your lore tinfoil hat. Cause if the next expansion is to off Sageras... That's pretty much it right.

I haven't read that Know Your Lore stuff, but how they came to their conclusions is pretty important. The Black Prince has basically told us that the Legion is already headed our way. Is there a reason to think there's a link?

I don’t trust Wrathion. For all we know, he’s preparing us for the Burning Legion to distract us from another threat (such as the Titans).

I'm pretty interested with the possible connection between Y'saarj and Sagaeras that was hypothesized in the latest know your lore tinfoil hat. Cause if the next expansion is to off Sageras... That's pretty much it right.

I haven't read that Know Your Lore stuff, but how they came to their conclusions is pretty important. The Black Prince has basically told us that the Legion is already headed our way. Is there a reason to think there's a link?

I don’t trust Wrathion. For all we know, he’s preparing us for the Burning Legion to distract us from another threat (such as the Titans).

There is another really good KYL: Tinfoil Hat edition that discusses Wrathion's possible ill-intended plans. I suggest reading it; very interesting stuff.

Titans created immortal Earthen on Azeroth.Titans left.Old Gods show up from the void.Curse of Flesh makes everything able to die, but not procriate.Titans return, kick ass and take names.Old Gods sealed away.Titans can't undo all the damage without destroying Azeroth.Comprimise by striking a balance between life and death, procreation can happen again.Aspects and Watchers created.Titans leave and/or go dorment.

Titans created immortal Earthen on Azeroth.Titans left.Old Gods show up from the void.Curse of Flesh makes everything able to die, but not procriate.Titans return, kick ass and take names.Old Gods sealed away.Titans can't undo all the damage without destroying Azeroth.Comprimise by striking a balance between life and death, procreation can happen again.Aspects and Watchers created.Titans leave and/or go dorment.

Where was the procreation thing handled? I've either forgotten or wasn't paying proper attention.

The initial earthen of Azeroth that the titans created -- pre Old Gods -- were never given the ability to make babies, they were immortal beings and just existed. The Old Gods cursed them and made them all mortal. That caused the end of life on Azeroth, but the Titans stopped the Old Gods. They couldn't completely remove the curse without destroying all of Azeroth, so instead they restored balance by introducing reproduction onto Azeroth.

Would love to be the fly on the wall at that meeting. Titans discussing sexual organs, positions, faces during orgasm...

Where was the procreation thing handled? I've either forgotten or wasn't paying proper attention.

The initial earthen of Azeroth that the titans created -- pre Old Gods -- were never given the ability to make babies, they were immortal beings and just existed. The Old Gods cursed them and made them all mortal. That caused the end of life on Azeroth, but the Titans stopped the Old Gods. They couldn't completely remove the curse without destroying all of Azeroth, so instead they restored balance by introducing reproduction onto Azeroth.

Would love to be the fly on the wall at that meeting. Titans discussing sexual organs, positions, faces during orgasm...

Oh come on you know this had to have gone through multiple versioning.

"We we gave them the ability to have offspring but none of them are bothering. They say it's icky and the process of actually having the offspring sucks."

"Maybe we should make it less icky and not so sucky?"

"That's crazy talk Bob... we need to think outside the box here."

"Hey, and I'm just spitballing here.. what if we made the act that leads to them having offspring REALLY fun and give them a huge desire to perform this act with each other."

Ran LFR as frost dps, got some shineys including a 1h axe, I really want the DK as a tank but didnt have time to bone up on the strats.

6 bosses, 4 loot items, 0 bonus wins.

Something is wrong when a poorly geared, idiot player (like me) is sitting 8th on the dps charts......

Easy starting Blood rotation is just: diseases, death strike with FR/UH and 2 Death Rune combos, HS with Blood runes, and D&D on proc when up, and Boiling Blood on proc otherwise, Rune Strike to dump RP. Using Roiling Blood as the 1st talent means diseases are up 100% of the time on all mobs in range, since you will get a proc more than every 30 seconds. Later on you can start to manage your blood shield better and sometimes use 2 death runes for heart strikes instead...

Ran LFR as frost dps, got some shineys including a 1h axe, I really want the DK as a tank but didnt have time to bone up on the strats.

6 bosses, 4 loot items, 0 bonus wins.

Something is wrong when a poorly geared, idiot player (like me) is sitting 8th on the dps charts......

Easy starting Blood rotation is just: diseases, death strike with FR/UH and 2 Death Rune combos, HS with Blood runes, and D&D on proc when up, and Boiling Blood on proc otherwise, Rune Strike to dump RP. Using Roiling Blood as the 1st talent means diseases are up 100% of the time on all mobs in range, since you will get a proc more than every 30 seconds. Later on you can start to manage your blood shield better and sometimes use 2 death runes for heart strikes instead...

I think he meant the strats for the bosses. Stand here, not there. Interrupt this, avoid that. AMS won't work on that thing. Taunt the other one, but not before clicking your special action button.

Titans created immortal Earthen on Azeroth.Titans left.Old Gods show up from the void.Curse of Flesh makes everything able to die, but not procriate.Titans return, kick ass and take names.Old Gods sealed away.Titans can't undo all the damage without destroying Azeroth.Comprimise by striking a balance between life and death, procreation can happen again.Aspects and Watchers created.Titans leave and/or go dorment.

Where do the trolls and tauren, who weren't created by the titans come in?

Ran LFR as frost dps, got some shineys including a 1h axe, I really want the DK as a tank but didnt have time to bone up on the strats.

6 bosses, 4 loot items, 0 bonus wins.

Something is wrong when a poorly geared, idiot player (like me) is sitting 8th on the dps charts......

Easy starting Blood rotation is just: diseases, death strike with FR/UH and 2 Death Rune combos, HS with Blood runes, and D&D on proc when up, and Boiling Blood on proc otherwise, Rune Strike to dump RP. Using Roiling Blood as the 1st talent means diseases are up 100% of the time on all mobs in range, since you will get a proc more than every 30 seconds. Later on you can start to manage your blood shield better and sometimes use 2 death runes for heart strikes instead...

I think he meant the strats for the bosses. Stand here, not there. Interrupt this, avoid that. AMS won't work on that thing. Taunt the other one, but not before clicking your special action button.

Ah, that makes sense, that I can't do, tanks take too much (usually undeserved) shit in LFR I don't bother.

Ran LFR as frost dps, got some shineys including a 1h axe, I really want the DK as a tank but didnt have time to bone up on the strats.

6 bosses, 4 loot items, 0 bonus wins.

Something is wrong when a poorly geared, idiot player (like me) is sitting 8th on the dps charts......

Easy starting Blood rotation is just: diseases, death strike with FR/UH and 2 Death Rune combos, HS with Blood runes, and D&D on proc when up, and Boiling Blood on proc otherwise, Rune Strike to dump RP. Using Roiling Blood as the 1st talent means diseases are up 100% of the time on all mobs in range, since you will get a proc more than every 30 seconds. Later on you can start to manage your blood shield better and sometimes use 2 death runes for heart strikes instead...

I think he meant the strats for the bosses. Stand here, not there. Interrupt this, avoid that. AMS won't work on that thing. Taunt the other one, but not before clicking your special action button.

yeah Ive dps`d and healed my way through em, tanking.... well my tank set is stil around the 450 ilevel so I didnt think Id go down to weel doing my first `tank` run.

I do note that mobs really really really love harlem shaking, spreading out and doing their best to be on my sides/rear, thank fuck for that button that mass deathgrips things to one spot.

I was dps`ing as frost, 2h frost for a chunk of it (gargoyle ench for tanking) - and still sitting top 10 on dps, that either means I have the rotation mostly right or that the rest of the lfr were barely better than windowpane licking, pants on head, standing in stupid shit retarded.

LFR is generally composed of two types of people: Those who want to get that shit done (and have exposure to the fights), and those happy to let others get shit done for them while they colllect loots and tell themselves they "raid." LFRs fail when the second group reaches critical mass.

LFR is generally composed of two types of people: Those who want to get that shit done (and have exposure to the fights), and those happy to let others get shit done for them while they colllect loots and tell themselves they "raid." LFRs fail when the second group reaches critical mass.

You forgot the loudmouth (faux) 'litist douchbags who think that because they heard what their regular raid leader told them specifically to do on the fight last raid night they actually have a clue as to why. I suppose they could be trolls too given the quality of some of the "pro-tips" and "strategy" that comes out in that place.

If it wasn't 6 months into the expansion I'd still be amused at the number of "I know what I'm doing" people who think regular CC doesn't work on Wind Lord and you have to use the spears....

Titans created immortal Earthen on Azeroth.Titans left.Old Gods show up from the void.Curse of Flesh makes everything able to die, but not procriate.Titans return, kick ass and take names.Old Gods sealed away.Titans can't undo all the damage without destroying Azeroth.Comprimise by striking a balance between life and death, procreation can happen again.Aspects and Watchers created.Titans leave and/or go dorment.

Where do the trolls and tauren, who weren't created by the titans come in?

When do the Qiraji/Mantids show up?

How about the Ancients? I know they're pre-Aspect.

Qiraji/Mantids are thought to be normal creepy crawlies that were corrupted by the old gods and morphed into their current form. Trolls, Tauren, and (the unmentioned) Pandaren are said to be native to Azeroth, outside of Titan/old god means of existance. Add in the Highborne, which were trolls corrupted/transformed by the well of eternity. Then you have the ancients, which are also native to Azeroth.

Qiraji/Mantids are thought to be normal creepy crawlies that were corrupted by the old gods and morphed into their current form. Trolls, Tauren, and (the unmentioned) Pandaren are said to be native to Azeroth, outside of Titan/old god means of existance. Add in the Highborne, which were trolls corrupted/transformed by the well of eternity. Then you have the ancients, which are also native to Azeroth.

Right I know all that. I'm just wondering where their origination fits on the timeline.

Qiraji/Mantids are thought to be normal creepy crawlies that were corrupted by the old gods and morphed into their current form. Trolls, Tauren, and (the unmentioned) Pandaren are said to be native to Azeroth, outside of Titan/old god means of existance. Add in the Highborne, which were trolls corrupted/transformed by the well of eternity. Then you have the ancients, which are also native to Azeroth.

Right I know all that. I'm just wondering where their origination fits on the timeline.

Qiraji/Mantids served the Old Gods so were either placed here by the Titans originally or corrupted/created by the Old Gods when they showed up.

Trolls, Tauren*, and Pandaren are all post-Titan intervention and the sealing of the Old Gods.

Highbourne, as offshoots of the trolls, come in at some point past that.

* wowpedia says Tauren may be older than that, but it references the now-defunct magazine as it's source so who knows.

I'm honestly not sure on Tauran and Trolls. I've played alliance, and outside of elves timeline I haven't kept track of that. I'd guess that since both the Tauren and Troll races are mortal, that they came about naturally after the Titans put a bandaid on the Curse of Flesh.

Keep in mind that the 'Curse of Flesh' is a misleading name. It didn't just effect the Titan created races. It had crept into every ounce and inch of all of Azeroth. The real question is whether the Tauren and Trolls naturally came about before or after the Old Gods. If before, they were fixed along with the other Earthen that the Titans had made -- if after ... then they were always mortal and the Old Gods interplay is irrelevant.

I'm rusty on the War of the Ancients timeline. I do know some of it was retconned quite a bit, so any older wiki pages do not have the updated lore.

We finally killed the Queen in HoF last night. Or whatever she's called. She dropped crap loot, and we probably won't do her again, but it was good to see her die. We had just enough time afterwards to go into ToES and kill the first boss there as well.

Going forward, I guess the guild has no interest in HoF anymore. It looks like we'll only be doing ToT progression 2 days a week and ToES on the third day each week. Technically, the latter is also progression. I don't see ToES being as hard as HoF though. We killed the first boss on the first try, and gave Tsulong one attempt without know if anything was different from LFR to 10-man. We got hime to 30%. He'll die next week.

It's nice to be out of HoF, but I'd still like a chance at the Queen's fist weapon. Oh well. Once we get the second boss in ToT down, I'll have a chance at the meele dps 2-hander. We can get to the 4th gate now, so it's only a matter of time.

We finally killed the Queen in HoF last night. Or whatever she's called. She dropped crap loot, and we probably won't do her again, but it was good to see her die. We had just enough time afterwards to go into ToES and kill the first boss there as well.

Going forward, I guess the guild has no interest in HoF anymore. It looks like we'll only be doing ToT progression 2 days a week and ToES on the third day each week. Technically, the latter is also progression. I don't see ToES being as hard as HoF though. We killed the first boss on the first try, and gave Tsulong one attempt without know if anything was different from LFR to 10-man. We got hime to 30%. He'll die next week.

It's nice to be out of HoF, but I'd still like a chance at the Queen's fist weapon. Oh well. Once we get the second boss in ToT down, I'll have a chance at the meele dps 2-hander. We can get to the 4th gate now, so it's only a matter of time.

If you can get through the 3rd door cleanly, you're pretty much there.

We finally killed the Queen in HoF last night. Or whatever she's called. She dropped crap loot, and we probably won't do her again, but it was good to see her die. We had just enough time afterwards to go into ToES and kill the first boss there as well.

Going forward, I guess the guild has no interest in HoF anymore. It looks like we'll only be doing ToT progression 2 days a week and ToES on the third day each week. Technically, the latter is also progression. I don't see ToES being as hard as HoF though. We killed the first boss on the first try, and gave Tsulong one attempt without know if anything was different from LFR to 10-man. We got hime to 30%. He'll die next week.

It's nice to be out of HoF, but I'd still like a chance at the Queen's fist weapon. Oh well. Once we get the second boss in ToT down, I'll have a chance at the meele dps 2-hander. We can get to the 4th gate now, so it's only a matter of time.

If you can get through the 3rd door cleanly, you're pretty much there.

Yep, the first time my raid group got through door 3 with everyone alive, we beat Horridon, the 4th door is basically a joke compared to the 2nd and 3rd ones and the War God is nothing special either. We lust on the 3rd door to make sure we get through it cleaning since the War God phase is pretty easy, he doesn't have much HP and dies pretty quick.

Then you get to the fun that is Council, which is a really big step up from Horridon.

Ran Shadopan Monastery Challenge Mode last night. Fuck that place. We were on track for an early silver, and probably server record, when we tripped over our feet on the last guy. On the run back, more tripping. And then some more. Instead of finishing 3 minutes into silver, we finished with 3 minutes left on silver. Fuck that place.

Fuck waking up at 4:00 AM thinking about that run. I must have been dreaming about it, I don't really remember waking up. Just that I realized I was awake and thinking about it. Fuck shitty WoW dreams. (All WoW dreams are shitty dreams.)

Time to start thinking about the silver-run mount choice. Can only choose once, and it's tied to the character.

Also, fuck undead charm-immunity in challenge modes.

PS - I wonder if forcing myself not to use the word fuck would increase creativity.

We finally killed the Queen in HoF last night. Or whatever she's called. She dropped crap loot, and we probably won't do her again, but it was good to see her die. We had just enough time afterwards to go into ToES and kill the first boss there as well.

Going forward, I guess the guild has no interest in HoF anymore. It looks like we'll only be doing ToT progression 2 days a week and ToES on the third day each week. Technically, the latter is also progression. I don't see ToES being as hard as HoF though. We killed the first boss on the first try, and gave Tsulong one attempt without know if anything was different from LFR to 10-man. We got hime to 30%. He'll die next week.

It's nice to be out of HoF, but I'd still like a chance at the Queen's fist weapon. Oh well. Once we get the second boss in ToT down, I'll have a chance at the meele dps 2-hander. We can get to the 4th gate now, so it's only a matter of time.

If you can get through the 3rd door cleanly, you're pretty much there.

Yep, the first time my raid group got through door 3 with everyone alive, we beat Horridon, the 4th door is basically a joke compared to the 2nd and 3rd ones and the War God is nothing special either. We lust on the 3rd door to make sure we get through it cleaning since the War God phase is pretty easy, he doesn't have much HP and dies pretty quick.

Then you get to the fun that is Council, which is a really big step up from Horridon.

We finally downed council on Monday...what a nightmare. We did 3 shot it this week so once we got a good strat down we were able to do it nicely. We usually lust right away and burn the Sand boss, with Frosty on top of him for cleave damage. Switch to Frosty when he is 25% through his empowered energy and take him out of empowered. We have full focus on Kazra'Jin when he is empowered, and go back to the 25% strat for the priestess. Then Sand is finally empowered and is dead before getting off his 2nd sandstorm. On top of that we have a DK dps on sand the whole time, with the other 4 dps switching to the proper empowered adds as noted above. Once the sand troll is down the fight is a pushover (there is a bit of a hectic transition period for maybe 20-30 seconds when the healers are recouping mana).

As a holy paladin, Hand of Purification is a lifesaver on this fight. It gives the raid 6 seconds to coordinate and stack up for the empowered frostbite where the DoT will tick for 70% less, and eases up heals for 6 seconds on any of the non-empowered ones.

Pray I notice Standstorm is about to start, summon Army of the Dead.Drop Death and Decay. Pray healers/others are in/near DnD.Activate Remorseless Winter, pray anybody with agro and the ghouls are all close enough that adds are frozen.Pray frozen pile mostly goes down together and people (other tank) aren't stuck in standtrap corpses.

I have to say, what I find most novel about ToT is that I'll head back to Acherus for different runeforging according to whatever fight we're on. For Council I use Spellshatter.

Pray I notice Standstorm is about to start, summon Army of the Dead.Drop Death and Decay. Pray healers/others are in/near DnD.Activate Remorseless Winter, pray anybody with agro and the ghouls are all close enough that adds are frozen.Pray frozen pile mostly goes down together and people (other tank) aren't stuck in standtrap corpses.

I have to say, what I find most novel about ToT is that I'll head back to Acherus for different runeforging according to whatever fight we're on. For Council I use Spellshatter.

You've got better than prayer for Sandstorm, supremacy. Heart of the Wild Tranquility from a Moonkin doesn't give a fuck, it will heal anything that doesn't instantly kill you.

So I've taken my DK through the Last Stand of the Zandalari and Forgotten Depths LFRs a few times as DPS and gotten absolutely nothing loot-wise. Went in today as Blood (since I've seen the fights a few times), and got DPS pieces off the first and second boss of the first LFR section.

Is there any site that has a list of the specific drop tables for certain class/specs in LFR? It would be really helpful to know what to expect.

So I've taken my DK through the Last Stand of the Zandalari and Forgotten Depths LFRs a few times as DPS and gotten absolutely nothing loot-wise. Went in today as Blood (since I've seen the fights a few times), and got DPS pieces off the first and second boss of the first LFR section.

Is there any site that has a list of the specific drop tables for certain class/specs in LFR? It would be really helpful to know what to expect.

Not a site, but the Atlasloot addon as of the update they did for 5.2 now has a handy function that will highlight gear that is appropriate for your class while blacking out everything else, makes it easy to see what loot drops off what boss that you qualify for depending on your spec.