>> Okay, I'd like to call the meeting to order. Mrs. Thompson, would you please call the roll?
>> Dr. Mann?
>> Present.
>> Dr. Bradbury-Huang? Dr. Rey Castro? Mr. Baum?
>> Here.
>> Mr. Martin? Mr. Thomson?
>> Mr. Thomson?
>> Present.
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>> Mrs. Wells-Miller.
>> Present.
>> Mr. Abadia?
>> Okay, is there anyone who wishes to address the public on an item not on the agenda? See no one, the board will go into closed session, government code 54957.8, labor negotiations. And we'll reconvene at 12 noon.
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>> Well, I'd like to reconvene the--
[ Inaudible Remarks ]
>> I'd like to reconvene the board and--is student body president here?
>> He's right over here.
>> Oh, I just didn't find--would you lead us to the pledge of allegiance, please?
>> Sure. [Noise] Ready and begin.
>> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, by nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
>> Dr. Sugimoto, do we have any introductions?
>> Let me see, I was looking to see if we had people in the audience. [Inaudible]. Well, I would like to introduce Ms. Berlinda Brown who is our new board member from district 3. And Berlinda would you like to stand up?
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>> Are there anymore introductions?
>> I don't believe so. I do think if Dr. Bradbury-Huang arrives, she may--
>> Alright, this is the joint meeting of the Board of Trustees and the AS board. We have to take public comment on not agenda items. We will do that. Announcements. I would like to--if it's alright with the board, defer the approval of the minutes till after out meeting with the students because they have a brief time. And then we will go into the joint meeting with the students. And at that time, I would like to invite the AS president to come and sit here next to me so he and I can decide how we're going to do this. Okay, I have 4 people who've requested to speak of the Brown Act prohibits the board from discussing or taking action on any item not on the agenda. But members may make a brief comment or ask questions in response to public comments. Members of the public may request the opportunity to address the board regarding any item on the agenda. To do so, please complete a request to address the board form and give it to board secretary prior to the deliberation agenda item. Individual speakers are limited to five minutes. Total audience participation on any item is a limit to the 30 minutes. The first person I have is Dr. Enrique Orozco.
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>> [Inaudible] perfectly I'm ashamed, Orozco.
>> Orozco.
>> Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen, board members and student members as well. I came in to speak to you today regarding an issue with MEChA. I think you would be interested in hearing what I have to say. Now MEChA, it was an organization--student organization that came to life during the student movements back in the '60s and '70s. It was a chaotic period and Pasadena City College was not spared of all that chaos. And at that time, they had a very progressive president named Sarafian who's looked ahead and decided to follow through with the very progressive changes. Meaning, he formalized the ethnic studies programs here at PCC, like black studies, Chicano studies, et cetera, et cetera. And from that, of course came MEChA's right arm because they work hand in hand together. Now, since that time, of course Chicano studies has become a formal discipline in the city of California and elsewhere. You can earn a doctorate in Chicano studies at UC Santa Barbara, UC Davis and also at--UCLA has a program ready to go and USC as well. So it's not just a, I don't know way kind of program. It's a formal discipline along like, you know, you would have sociology or philosophy or psychology or something like that. It's equivalent to that in other words. Keep in mind that in those days, there were busing students all across the city here in Pasadena. They were blockbusting these homes across the street. They were selling them for a pittance because these black community was moving in here and there was a whole lot of issues of that type going on here in Pasadena. Some of you may have lived here at the time and actually you can think back and recall those hectic days and a lot of that grew of course MEChA and Chicano studies. Now, MEChA has had many positive--has been beneficial to the Pasadena City College. It has for example created a busing program that brings in high school students twice a year, 4 or 500 students from the local high schools around the theater, high school students, college. So they've been very education centered as a ratio, principally to help other Chicanos come to college here at PCC and move ahead and graduate and get their degrees. And in other colleges as well, like UCLA, SCA and Davis and so on, they have graduated people who have become very politically active like our present mayor in Los Angeles, mayor--what's his name, Villaraigosa. Quite a boy, he was also involved with MEChA. Supervisor Gloria Molina was also a MEChA and one of our former students Manuel Lozano is now mayor in Bowen Park and a very successful mayor. He was just reelected for his 6th term. So obviously the man is doing his job and he'd learned a whole lot of his techniques in our Chicano studies program and comes down here occasionally to speak to us, to our students. So, that's not a program that is, you know, not beneficial to this college. Recruitment wise, they also recruited me here by the way from the university, it's the university system. They were so eager to upgrade the academic program that they needed someone like myself and you know, I was quite satisfied where I was in the Cal State system, you know, and I didn't expect to be here longer than maybe 2 or 3 years and I am still--over 20 years or so I'm still here. So the Pasadena City College I guess proved to be a good place to come to teach. The--they're also very much connected with the teacher learning center. There were the--a grand program is very successful and active with the underrepresented students from the local communities. The need, therefore, for me to be here was to I think to spell some of the negative information that might have come your way in recent times and MEChA is not a positive group of young people. That is very positive. Given the times, 25 or 30 years ago or so, when things were so chaotic and they came forward as a very positive element on this campus. And I'm sure Dr. Sarafian, if you would not have approved, Chicanos studies had it not been so. But it took a man of great educational acumen like Dr. Sarafian to have done this. And so here I am also telling you this because it is important to understand that MEChA is indeed a very positive group of young people. And more recently, we have even opened the gate to Mexico through a study abroad program that has also been very successful. And they're always willing to go down there and it's obviously to enrich themselves academically and it's a very positive program. With that in mind, I thank you for your ear. Thank you very much.
>> Thank you. Dr. Rey Castro?
>> I would just like to comment briefly. I wanna thank you for coming and speaking about MEChA. We've endured well over a year actually probably cumulatively of remarks by certain individuals about MEChA that had been very pejorative, extremely negative. And I'm really happy to see someone from the faculty come to the board and address these issues of MEChA. and MEChA students and their positive activities just to provide some balance. Thank you very much.
>> You're very welcome and by the way I'm the coordinator of Chicano studies here on campus. Thanks to the likes of our Vice President of Instruction, Dr. Jacqueline Jacobs who saw a need for this several years ago. And it takes a lot of work, I'll tell you that. It's not an easy task dealing with young people. You understand that?
>> Yes. Thank you. Mr. Baum?
>> I just had a question for clarification. Thank you so much Dr. Orozco for the presentation.
>> Yes.
>> At one point last year, you brought the students who went on the winter study abroad program and there was some concern at one point that we weren't going to be able to offer that again. Have we been able to restore that so that it will be offered again?
>> Yeah, we're on target right now. We've got 9 students ready to go and hopefully we're looking for a 10,000 dollar donation in recent--in the future they've told us. So we might be able to lock it up very soon.
>> Well thank you. I hope that--I'm looking forward to hearing about the trip when you come back.
>> Thank you very much.
>> I'm glad that we're able to hopefully be able to offer that again.
>> That's great.
>> Thank you. If there are no other questions, I understand that we do not have another person--I'm sorry I think we're through?
>> Yes, I am finished.
>> Alright, thank you.
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>> I think we do have another introduction. Is that right Dr. Sugimoto?
>> Yes we do and I'd like to introduce Ms. Teresa Lamb Simpson from Congressman Schiff's office. I believe she wants to come forward. Thank you.
[ Applause ]
>> Alright, Ms. Lamb Simpson, did you wanna say anything?
[ Laughter ]
>> You're welcome to come forward.
>> This is your time.
[ Laughter ]
>> Thank you so much. I really came by to bring greetings from Congressman Schiff and thanks from Congressman Schiff to Dr. Connie Rey Castro and to Mrs. Beth Wells-Miller for your service. I mean 16 years and 8 years, it's a long time to serve. So we very much appreciate it and thank you very much and best wishes for the future. Thanks.
>> Thank you. I would like to suggest to the board, if this is alright, we have several non-agenda items but since the students are going to have to leave about 1 o'clock, we have had public comment and we do not have to have all the public comment now. And I would like first to move immediately into the joint meeting with AS and then after the students, we've addressed the student's issues then we can come back and have the other non-agenda items. But before I do that, are there any students who filled up these cards for items not on the agenda? A student who--yes? And sir your name is?
>> Joshua Acevedo.
>> Yeah, would you please come forward and address the board. And the rest of the people are employees, they do not have to be to class. And we'll give you a note if you're late for work.
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>> Good afternoon fellow board members and Associated Students. My name is Joshua Acevedo and I am the president of Omicron Mu Delta Honor Society for the 2009-2010. At this time, I would like to ask any members of OMD in the audience and Associated Students to please stand with me.
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>> Thank you. For many years, OMD is one of the oldest honorary societies here on campus. We are about 83 years old and still running. We have about over a hundred of members in our organizations. And one of the great traditions about our organization is that we honor students, faculty and staff for their hard work and dedication and their outstanding service for here on campus and also outside the community. Today, we have someone in our audience we would like to recognize. If I could please have Dr. Lisa Sugimoto, please stand.
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>> Please stand, Dr. Sugimoto.
>> I think I am actually.
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>> Dr. Lisa Sugimoto, you have been a [inaudible] example of what is to be a leader, of not only to PCCC but to the community. You have led our institution through depths of despair to new horizons. You have brought the best of PCC and has offered--excuse me, has offered amount of service and time to our community. We wish to honor you as some of you may know and some of you may do not know, Dr. Sugimoto is already a proud member of OMD. However, in a tradition that's span decades and changes by our proud members, Dr. Lisa Sugimoto, I would like to honor you as the official honorary president of Omicron Mu Delta, congratulations.
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[ Background Applause ]
>> And to share--
[ Applause ]
>> And to share this tradition, in OMD, it is a tradition that we honor the president of the college as the official honorary president of Omicron Mu Delta. This year, we felt that Dr. Sugimoto has done a tremendous job here on campus not only as the vice president of students in learning services but also as the interim president of PCC.
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>> We felt it was time that we honor our president, and today on November 18, 2009, we honor you Dr. Sugimoto and congratulations.
>> Thank you.
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>> Josh, thank you very much and thank you to OMD. It's always--it gives me great pride in knowing that first of, you're the one who is honoring me and OMD and those members that are here today including faculty staff and managers who have been tacked into this honorary organization. So thank you very much, Josh--
>> You're welcome.
>> And thank you OMD.
>> Thank you.
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>> Will the AS president now--would you like to mover over here. And so the next item on the board is the joint meeting with the Associated Students board which begins with introductions of members of the Pasadena Community College Board of Trustees and the Associate Students board. And would you like to introduce your--Dr. Bradbury-Huang is not here. Would you like to introduce your board?
>> Actually, I think I'll leave that to our student trustee, Brian Abadia.
>> Right. Would you like to introduce your student trustee?
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>> You just did.
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>> Good afternoon. I want to formally introduce you guys to the Associate Students board. I know you guys have probably heard about a lot of individual members but I think it'd be good you guys got to meet them personally. We'll start off here with our favorite South-African, Jason Herbert. He is the vice president for academic affairs. And what he does is that he focuses on--he's basically the liaison between the Associated Students and academic aspect of the campus. So he talks about the deans and he works on--he is currently working on some issues with academic debates. So that's Jason Herbert. To his left is Becky Tabares. She is our vice president for internal affairs and she is the person who presides over the inter-club council so she is the liaison between the Associated Students Executive Board and all the clubs on campus, so that's Ms. Becky Tabares. And all of us know our favorite Allen Tsay, the president of Associated Students. In case anyone--I'm sure we all know Allen.
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>> We know him.
>> We've heard of him.
>> And next to my left, I'd like to introduce you to Erica Liang. She is our vice president for student services. So she's responsible for ascertaining student opinion and developing--by developing and administering and presenting surveys as necessary. And she is our--the executive board of liaison between--or she's the liaison between the AS Executive Board and Student Learning Services VP. And she focuses on student life in general. Next to her left, I'd like to present you to Jacobo Quan. He is our vice president of business affairs and he focuses primarily on the Associated Students' budget. So he allocates our funds and maintains our budget. So it's very clear and precise. And he is the chair of the Associated Students Finance Committee. And then to his left, I'm sure some of you met Michael Lance. He is our Chief Justice of the Associated Students. He focuses on amending all the governing documents of the Associated Students which has the constitution and the by-laws. And to his left, I'd like to introduce you to Mladenka Grgic. She is our vice president for campus activities and she primarily focuses on coordinating and overseeing all extracurricular activities on campus. So a lot of you have seen a lot of events that we've put on. That's primarily doing the hard work of Mladenka Grgic and she is the chair of the Associated Students Campus Activity Committee. And to her left, I'd like to present you to Natalja Karniouchina. And she is the vice president for culture diversity here. And she is the chair of the culture diversity committee and she assists clubs in creating culture awareness and creating cultural awareness all over campus. And to her left, I'd like to present you to Robert Morgan. He is our vice president for external affairs. So he is the chair of our student-led lobby committee which a lot of you have heard a lot about. This year has great committee going and his community will be focusing on analyzing legislation that would affect students and he will be leading students to Sacramento and to Washington DC to lobby on PCC's behalf. So I would like to give them all a great round of applause. This is the Associated Students Executive Board.
[ Applause ]
>> And if I could also present to you our new secretary, she's wonderful. Her name is Jamie Hammond. She's been with us for I would say, probably a month or so and she is a part of our team.
>> Great. I would like the PCC Board of Trustees members to just briefly introduce themselves starting with Mr. Martin. And then I'll turn the meeting over to our AS president. I think the students have some presentations they wish to give us. So, Mr. Martin?
>> John Martin and I represent District 6 which is Rosemead, a little bit of El Monte, portions of County Arcadia and portions of Temple City.
>> I'm a former PCC student that eventually transferred to UCLA and I'm proud to say that though I wasn't married when I was first on the Board I've since been married and have children and this year. For the first time my son is now attending PCC.
>> My name is Jeffrey Baum. I represent District 1 on the PCC Board that includes the western parts of Pasadena, the western parts of Altadena, and the city of La Canada Flintridge and I've served on the Board eight years and I work at the University of Southern California. Just one quick anecdote, I've been so impressed with the vigilance and the attention of the AS Board over the years that just last Friday morning at 5:30 in the morning, two AS executive committee members approached me at La Canada High School. I was running around the track with the fitness class to remind me to be an effective advocate for PCC students.
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>> Jason and Michael who were there and their work out here as well. So they're very devoted in working night and day in behalf of students.
>> Okay.
>> That's great. I'm Connie Rey Castro and I'm the trustee for District number 3, the constituents in District number 3 and I always count myself as a representative on the Board for all the students not just those in district 3. In addition to being a trustee, I'm also a community college professor. I teach political science and I'm proud to say that out at East L.A. College I've also been in charge of the leadership training institute for the Associated Student Organization and this is, as a result of that I always enjoy this particular meeting here at PCC when we meet face to face with the Associated Student Organization and its leadership and we interact with the needs of the students directly. This institution wouldn't be here if it weren't for students. This institution is here to serve students first and it's why we all take particular joy and are privileged to be able to serve on this board on your behalf.
>> I'm Jeanette Mann. I represent District 2 which is East Altadena, East Pasadena, and Sierra Madre.
>> My name is Beth Wells-Miller and I represent Arcadia and just picking up on what Dr. Castro was saying. Students are of prime importance. None of us would need to be here if it weren't for the students and this is my favorite meeting of the year because we get a chance to hear from our students and find out what's important and special to them, very important.
>> I'm Bill Thomson. I represent District 4 of the college district. That's the southern part of Pasadena, the Oak Knoll Langham Hotel area, Cal Tech out toward the Eastern Chapman Woods and to the west, Madison Heights, et cetera. So as you may or not know, I have been active in a variety of things in the city of Pasadena for quite a number of years and it's my pleasure and privilege now to be able to devote time and energy and effort to Pasadena City College and more importantly to public education in general. And by the way, you may not realize that Teresa Lamb-Simpson is quite a singer.
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>> She was my partner in Paseo Blanco Casablanca which have the senior center a couple of years ago and they did not tell me in advance that she could really sing. I can't obviously but--
>> Alright. Thank you. Mr. Martin.
>> Okay. And that concludes our introductions. I would like to invite Dr. Scott there to the podium to discuss about status report on items from last joint Board of Trustees, Associate Students meeting.
>> Thank you Allen, Dr. Mann, Dr. Sugimoto, members of the Board of Trustees and members of our Student Executive Board. Thank you for allowing me to come forward today to give you a midterm progress report. We met six months ago with the joint meeting for students in the Sexson Auditorium, a lot's changed since then. Last time we met, the Office of Student Affairs were located in the T Building on campus. If you remember where that was, that was the old print [phonetic] shop and students like to refer to it as the dungeon but now we are in the new campus center and we're very excited about our new facility and we're happy to now be close to the students in the central point on campus. So with that, I wanted to just go over briefly a spreadsheet which is in your folder. It's our progress report and I know--I wanted to make sure it was brief and short so that we could get through the progress reports. You can have your conversation with the students but we wanted to give you an update on some of the items that last year's group had presented and some of the issues and topics that came up at the May 7th meeting. They're listed, we have items, the first four and then the fifth item was the student vision. Item 1 was the travel policy number 3240. That policy was approved on June 3rd 2009 so we wanted to thank you for that, the hard work of the students bringing that forward with the constituent groups on campus and having that approved. The smoking on campus policy number 5575, that was completed and approved on August 5th 2009. So thank you again for that. The third policy the students worked on last year was the student activity fee and the status of that, currently, it's in progress. It has been referred to the College Coordinating Council and we looked to--the students looked to bring that back at some point this year. The fourth item is, that was at the last meeting was our ASPCC lobby committee presenting to you all some of the things that I have been doing supporting student legislation. They are getting ready for the winter and spring semesters and prepared to address the current budget and advocate for students. So Roberts Committee is working hard on that. Usually, when we report on the lobby committee, it's near the end of the year so they have the opportunity to discuss what they've done. At this point, they're in development of their bills that they're gonna support and bring forward for during their trips to Sacramento and to Washington. The fifth item was the vision, the student vision. So some of the things that came up was the cost of textbooks and pricing, that's in progress. We are working with the--the bookstore is working with the constituent groups to maximize the potential for the bookstore. There are a lot of different items and issues. There's competition obviously from online, et cetera, but with our new facility and with some of the strategies our bookstore is taking, we look forward to maximizing the potential. They were in a temporary facility at our last meeting and now they're in a brand new facility, centrally located on campus. The library hours of operation that based upon last year's hours, they've maintained their hours even though we are in a budget crunch so the divisions work together to make sure that the library has the ability to stay open for student needs. The availability of counseling services, the new services and resources have been added by the counseling area. They've been doing counseling in the Quad, just one example. They've been trying to make sure the lines in the L building are not long so that students can get answers. They've bee blogging, getting information out online 'cause that's where a lot of our students are at online so making sure that they can get information in a place where they're comfortable. So we don't force them and push them on campus so that they have to stand in line to get answers. So they've been working hard on doing that. Issues of sustainability, that is in progress as well. AS has formed a sustainability committee and they are in the process of--they have an environmental affairs position which they propose. So this environmental--this sustainability committee has been working around their--one of their goals of sustainability and they're looking at adding a new position to the executive board environmental affairs. The last item was the courier and student information. The courier has been at most or all of the AS meetings. A lot of the student events and activities on campus reporting on those and they've actually done features of some of the AS members in the newspaper to really get the student agenda, the executive board's information out to the students so that they're aware and informed about their goals and things that they're doing and then also a little background in their personal life. I know Jayson was the last person that was featured in the AS and Han who happens not to be here today. Han Le is the ASVP for public relations so they've both been in the courier this semester. So it's been a very busy semester. It's only been two months but I think in the two months the students have done a lot of activities, events, and they've lain the groundwork for some of their priorities in regards to policy that they'd like to bring forward to have discussion with you all at a later date. So that is the midterm progress report for the agenda items from the last joint meeting with the Associated Students and if there's any question, I'd be happy to answer those.
>> Dr. Rey Castro.
>> Yes. I have several questions. One of them pertains to the lobbying activities. You mentioned that you're in the process of developing the legislative agenda and in the past we've always tried to put together a subcommittee of the board to work with the students on those legislative items that are particularly suited to the college and to the students so that we can double our efforts in working on those together because you guys lobby and so do we and if we put both of our heads together on it, we probably can maximize our efforts. So I don't know if a meeting has been scheduled but I would suggest that a meeting be scheduled sometime maybe in January right around--maybe right before the spring semester or right after the spring semester begins so that we can identify a common legislative agenda and work on those together.
>> It's a good idea. Well, ask Dr. Bradbury-Huang or whoever the next president is to follow up on that.
>> Yeah.
>> The other item I wanted to address is the issue of textbooks and pricing. This is an area that I have raised as an issue that I've been wanting the Board of Trustees to address. It's a huge issue for students. I know the cost of textbooks rivals the cost of registration and in many cases, it's a back breaker for students being able to successfully complete their college education even here at the community college. When you've got books that, you know, sometimes it can average 150 dollars a textbook. It really becomes an impediment to student success and I'm really happy to see the Associated Student organization taking this issue on. I attended a conference earlier this year and I picked up some materials from San Francisco Community College District which has taken a leadership role the Board of Trustees has on the issue of textbook pricing and some models and suggestions for forming partnerships with the students on how to go about saving the cost on textbooks and I'm happy to turn those over to the student body and hopefully, there will be some progress in that area very soon. I know we talked about it a lot but frankly, I haven't seen any progress yet and that disappoints me because with each new semester, you know, the students run into this problem of the cost of textbooks and it is a contributing factor to whether or not the students succeed and those of you who are students out there in the audience that are shaking your heads, you know, what I'm talking about so it's a concern.
>> Thank you. The students have a presentation. Let's hold our other questions if that's alright, Dr. Thayer until after their presentation and we'll just ask the question. Is that alright, Mr. Baum?
>> Yeah. I just--that's fine 'cause I wanted to ask something about the specific items.
>> Okay. Why don't you just--could you just mind--would you mind to wait until after we see it. You're gonna do the presentation now.
>> Sure.
>> Yeah.
>> Thank you, Dr. Thayer.
>> Thank you.
>> And then you could--then you can ask.
>> Sure.
>> We'll ask Dr. Thayer to come back.
>> Right. So we have a presentation on a PowerPoint as you guys can probably see along the walls and on the little screens that you guys have, that's us looking very sharp on our pep uniform, looking very nice. Now for the Association Students Board 2009-2010 when we went on our summer retreat, we actually came up with an inclusive set of goals which we felt were very important for us to work on. Among these include transparency, inclusiveness, relationship building, communication, awareness and preparedness, outreaching, access, and knowledge. We believe by following these goals will be the best way to serve the students. So after this I have some events, successful events that I wanted to show you. We took a lot of pictures but for now, the events without the pictures we include Welcome Week and Club Week and Student Services Day as well as the Conscientious Projector showing basically the plastic and sustainable table. Tons of students walk through the Quad everyday and these events were pretty good. I'm sure Erica has something to say about Student Services Awareness Day.
>> So for the students, hello, can you hear me? Okay. For the Student Services Awareness Day, we have representatives from different services on campus and we have over 20 of them out on the campus serving our--I mean teaching our students about services available to them.
>> Thank you. And Becky has something to say about Club Week.
>> Club Week, we actually had around 45 clubs on campus in the Quad and all the clubs actually have like a good outcome which was really exciting because now we're getting feedback that many students of PCC, they're actually in extracurricular activities.
>> Right. And Conscientious Projector showing I'm sure, Michael, you wanna take care of that, I guess.
>> I was just gonna say in addition, Erica also hosted--co-hosted an event Veterans Appreciation Day and I know that--I don't think we have pictures yet but that was also on there.
>> And Welcome Week was done by our VP of Activities, Mladenka.
>> Hello. So Welcome Week and--well, Welcome Week. It was a week long process. First week of school where we tried to reach out to new students and returning students here on campus both that attend here in the mornings and in the evenings to let them know what AS is and our purpose, and to let them know where we're located and if they have any questions that you need to speak to us and just, you know, see a welcoming smile, you know, a greeting. So what we did is we're out on the Quad and I think during that time it rained so towards the end of the week we moved inside but we're basically out there just greeting the new students and old students, introducing ourselves, recruiting for our committees. At that time, we didn't have committees yet. So everything that was put on was basically by the Board and it was, you know, our ideas and whatnot. So what we did was we went out there and we recruited for our committees as well and we tried to reach out and you know, get as many students as we could involved in the first week of school and again, that's what we did Club Week, the second week of school so it was really, really successful and during Club Week, I mean, Welcome Week and Club Week, I got the opportunity to meet a lot of students and to actually see what it's really like to put on an event and it was really cool.
>> And just speaking picking, backing off with the recruiting for committees. If you guys would like to take a look under Item F on your Board packets, there should be a newsletter that our Vice President for Public Relations Han Le put together for you at the very last page has a list of all the different committees and the committee members. Now, I'm really proud to say that in the past, committee members were usually four to five members per committee. Today, each of the committees has well over 10 people and then if you wanna count all the committees all together, we'd probably have 157. So we can see a lot of increase in involvement, a lot of [inaudible] efforts to outreach to the people and I'm really proud what the Board, our Board at least, because they've done a lot to include students in student life and activities. So moving on with the presentation, AS Culture Diversity Committee presents a Taste of the World, Natalja.
>> Hi. So a Taste of the World was on October 27th. We gave a chance to celebrate cultures from around the world and specifically cultures on campus and in the community. We invited the Malaysian Tourism. It's a dance group. We have performers. We had about 15 clubs, local businesses that came out, and faculty and staff as well. It was a way for us to celebrate the different cultures on campus and beyond. Thank you.
>> Right. And after that we also had our Halloween trick or treat for the children at the Child Development Center. Erica.
>> Okay. So the Halloween trick or treat is a traditional event we have every year that something that Student Services Committee work on every year and basically, we walk our CDC kids on campus trick or treating and many of those kids are our student's children so they had a lot of fun and they're really, really cute and you can see Dr. Sugimoto in that picture and yeah. That's it.
>> And our homecoming event for the 2009, Mladenka if you want to fill us in on that.
>> Yes. Okay, so, homecoming was November 2nd through November 7th and I'm just gonna give you a little overview of what we did during homecoming week. On Monday, we had as you can see rock climbing and we had certain games out in the lawn where students could participate. And that was a really great success. We had a lot of students who came out and you know, did all the activities especially the rock climbing and we had food there at noon. And then on Tuesday, we had the bungee run and the Velcro wall which was a lot of fun, too. Everybody had a really, really time and again we had a rope tug and whatnot out there as well. And on Wednesday, we had capture the flag and we got a ton of students who participate that day as well. On Thursday, we actually had a pep rally, so we had the pep band and the pep squad performed and we had a spirit competition and a couple of clubs participated and that's [inaudible]. We had a good time and they actually won our spirit competition. And on Thursday, we also presented our homecoming court, king and queen and we had a dance battle, we had open mic but here that's our homecoming court, our king and queen. Our king was Trevon Fields [phonetic] and our queen was Veronica Lentfer [phonetic]. What else, on Friday, we had henna. We also got a lot of students involved. And then on Saturday there was a game and a bunch of people came out. We had the courier involved. On Tuesday and Thursday, we had Veterans Club out there, a couple of veterans were escorting the court which is really cool to see as well. So, all and all, it was a lot of fun and it was a great success and my committee did a really, really good job with reaching out to the students and so did our board, so that's it.
>> And so in our upcoming events list, aside from Wednesday, you see here which include Culture Shock, Raise the Voice Within, Holiday Clothing Swap, Holiday Angels, Quickplay 2010 with U2. Activities Committee is also have--committing to dance battles, open mic events, student football games and capture the flag, as well as spring ball in the spring semester. Publicity Committee has--is working with the sustainable living week along with the Sustainability Committee and the Finance Committee. AS Cultural Diversity Committee is also working on college--on the sustainable living week and college culture shock. Student Services Committee has relaxation week between December 14th and 17th for students who are going through finals. Sustainability Committee is also working on Earth Day, World UN Day, Vegan Week, Recycle Mania and more contentious screenings. Inter-Club Council is going for ICC basketball tournaments, ICC conferences and sort of like intramural thing going on so we can encourage rivalry between the different clubs. Lobby Committee will be going up to Sacramento and Washington DC to lobby on our behalf. And AS Academic Commission is doing the college music event which we hope to bring some famous YouTube players on to the campus and play here in our Sexson Auditorium. Now,quite a little while ago, we actually had a AS committee picnic, you know, we just ate outside and then no discussion of any agenda items of course. [Laughter] And we had a lot of fun. That'd be me.
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>> Now on the tug of war, game we had maybe 30 people and 30 people on each side. The rope eventually broke. Unfortunately, we didn't catch a picture of that and we all fell. But it was fun while I was at it. So I'd like to thank all our committee members. We couldn't have done any of our events without you. You guys have been great and for those of you who are here today and of course, we wanna thank our 2 advisors, Dr. Thayer and Carrie [phonetic] and as well as Becky who is not here. And I'd like to thank you, Board of Trustees for your time and giving us--allowing us to give you this presentation.
>> Ellen? Ellen?
>> Thank you. Are there any--go ahead.
>> Could I mention just one more kind of upcoming I guess activity or thing that we're looking at. Is if the board--in your packets you have a peach colored packet. It's in the folder and it's basically to just to talk about something that we're trying to improve here on campus and that is the transportation. It kinda goes along with our themes of sustainability and you know, retaining our student population and helping them to persist and pursue an education and remove any obstacles that are in their way. In that packet, you'll just see a short--few documents that kind of just compile a little bit of information about what PCC currently offers in terms of student bus passes. Our student business services currently sells bus passes to the student population at a discounted rate of I believe 57 dollars and vocational students can get them for approximately 36. There's also in that packet a short excel sheet telling, you know, you about how many students purchased from students business services. At this point in time, in our peak months, we're averaging about maybe 1 percent of the student population actually purchasing and taking advantage of the discounts that we do offer and recently, the AS Board had a chance to go and network with other schools and community colleges at the CCCSAA conference in Northern California. And we spoke to some other colleges like Santa Monica City College and they have programs implemented where any student can just show their ID and ride any line any time and there's actually no cost out of pocket for each student to get on the bus. Similarly, the Los Angeles Community College District has a program with Metro called I-Pass. I'm sure Dr. Rey Castro can testify to this should be there at East Los Angeles College but I wanted to let you guys know--just update you that I'm meeting currently with Dr. van Pelt and Dr. Wilcox. They've been very helpful and we're gonna try to speak with Metro and see about implementing a program in which PCC can kind of get these discounted rates for all of our students and help them to persist and pursue their education with fewer obstacles. And also, there's information about you know, how sustainable these buses are. Foothill Transit has also offered to, you know, work with us in terms of getting bus passes. Currently, about 80 percent of their buses were run on compressed natural gas and by 2011. their entire fleet be running on compressed natural gas so I think this is a good way that we can all kind of move forward together. Hopefully, we can update the board a little bit later. On December 2nd, we'll be meeting with Metro and we'll have more information for you.
>> And that concludes our meeting. It's been--building community I believe is really important for success and as of now, I just like to hand over the chairmanship to Dr. Mann.
>> I would like to go back a minute, if that's all right. Mr. Baum did have a question for Dean Thayer?
>> Well, I had a question in response to the update on the goals and also to call upon the students 'cause one of the things that's most of interest to me are the 2--the library hours and the availability of counseling services. And what I'm just hoping that students also can do--first of, I wanna praise you for all the initiatives you've taken with programming activities and coming up with new benefits and opportunities for students. And one of the things I really wanna hear from students and get a sense from the students is the core services that we offer to the students as our clients, what's been important to me as a board member is when the students have alerted us to perhaps to decline in this access to tutoring in the social science lab or maybe a desire for more access to counseling services or more access to the library hours. I noticed on Saturday, our library closes at 1 o'clock is--would that be something that we would want to look at it. Is there a way to keep the library open? So those--I wanna make sure we have those types of information coming to the board and how that is communicated so that we as a board can react to any of those areas. Because it's been very helpful when the students have come to us to let us know about specific desires and needs especially with the core service we offer to students. And so there's not really a question there but I wanna make sure--the question would be for the students, do you have a channel through which to--tell me about the channel you use to let the administration and the board know about those types of needs of the student body?
>> Well, what's going on right now actually is this upcoming Friday, we're gonna be having our Vision 20-20 Educational Master Plan Student Forum. And what's gonna be happening is I invited all the committee members of the different AS committees here. And then there's a good 150 of them to come to these educational master plan so they can give their input. In the past, some things have came counseling, library. Those are the common themes. Hopefully, we'll--this time, we'll also get some more in depth detail with more people. And we're also reaching out to community to grab students as well. So this upcoming Friday, we'd be having definitely [inaudible] of the students and we'll be bringing that to the administration so that, you know, we can implement some of these ideas.
>> Great. So I appreciate then, so you work with the administration but please keep us informed about how we can support those needs of students.
>> I want to make sure that there is plenty of time for this presentation of this on the students. They had--so I kinda cut short and if any other board members have any questions for Dr. Thayer or any comments?
>> Well, [inaudible], I had a question.
>> Sure.
>> On the student report.
>> Oh, absolutely. Any questions on any part--
>> The serious question is students who are interested in the different bus passes, they contact--how do they--they go to the student business service office, how--is that where the appropriate contact point is?
>> Yeah, the bus passes are for sale in student business services so they can purchase those over there. So if they needed one, they will just go up and they can purchase bus passes and other items that are in the businesses services.
>> So if I run into a student who's interested, I can tell him to go there and they'll be an explanation of the various passes and what may or not be--
>> Yeah, they have a listing of the different MTA Foothill Transit so that they'll explain to them kind of the service that those passes are used for.
>> And for those who don't regularly attend the board meetings, the mass transit issues always been kind of dear to me and I'm the one that likes to point out when I see a bus in West LA that says destination on the top Pasadena City College, you know, I always find that very exciting when I'm on the corner of, you know, Fairfax and the 10th freeway and there's a sign that says Pasadena City College. I'd also like to figure out a way the college might be able to identify where our students are coming from and use the collective leverage of the college to deal with these transit agencies to alter or encourage bus routes that would best support students. Because I made several independent efforts to figure out different ways of getting to the college using mass transit and for example, where I live, you know, you have to go south 3 miles, transfer to a bus to connect to another bus to connect to a bus that eventually lead you here. And you know, an hour and a half to 2 hours later, you might make it. So I'd like to see if there's a way and encourage the students and the administration to figure out where students are coming from and how we can leverage that to encourage Metro and others to have more direct routes for PCC or fewer connectivities to the various areas where our students come. And then on a less serious note, I'm just dying to understand in 30 seconds or less how you play capture the flag with campus students. You see I love capture the flag, played it as a 10-year-old on mountains and you know, we tackle guys all over the world and Washington Park and Pasadena was always the favorite. So how did you play capture the flag with the college students coed and everybody survived and was happy?
>> How do you explain it, okay. So what we did was at first since they don't wanna participate 'cause it's kinda like oh--and then, you know, we got a bunch of people so we had the guys and the girls then we had 2 flags on opposing sides and then the jails on opposing sides, and then we had a line in the middle and you had to run and you had to get those flags from the other side, so that is how we did it. It was a lot of fun, it went on for hours. Nobody wanted to leave after we got started.
>> Dr. Sugimoto?
>> And very quickly and Dr. Thayer I think you may wanna talk about some--another item that's in their folder, the invitation.
>> Yes, if I could also--just 2 quick items that didn't get a chance to speak to and one is Veterans Appreciation Week which took place and I know Michael mentioned it briefly but Erica worked with the Veterans Club. This is the first year that they did this, been outstanding event where they had honoring the veterans and providing information on the services that the college has to offer and really getting everyone together. And I thought they did a great job planning an event, promoting the event and honoring the veterans that are coming back to school 'cause we're seeing a lot more of those students on campus and we wanna make sure that they have the services that they need to get through and meet their education goals. The other part, you know, with the pictures and the other things that we saw today, it's really--you know, the involvement and engagement is a key component the office of student affairs as well as the leadership. And so we see these activities and then we see these events in they are fun things, but the key piece that we--we're promoting is, if we can keep students involved and engaged and keep them as a part of the institution that they'll stay and then they'll be able to go on and transfer or meet their educational goal. So there is a method to what we're doing. We have been bursting at the scenes with student involvement this semester. I think the new building has a lot to do with that. We're very happy about that and we're proud of the students and the work that they're doing. 'Cause a150 student committee members is unheard of for us so we're just trying to keep up with our students this semester but we're very happy with the work that they've done in a brief period of time. And the last item in your packet is a letter and it's a solicitation of your recommendations for the commencement speaker. This will be our 85th Annual Commencement here at PCC. We have been requesting suggestions from the campus community and we want to make sure that we got this information to you all so you could forward any suggestions for the speaker. You can send it to me via e-mail, snail mail, phone how ever is the most appropriate way. So I just wanted to mention that as well.
>> Thank you Dr. Thayer. Does any other board members have any questions or comments for the students or for Dr. Thayer?
>> I would just again--I just wanna underscore what Dean Thayer said to--I sense a really exciting level of engagement and involvement from students that at an unprecedented level and I think it's a testament to the leadership of the students and the leadership of the administration and also the benefit of having wise architecture. I wanna shout out to our facilities team too to have designed a facility that would encourage the collaboration and encouragement too. So it's on so many levels that I think we're going to continue to see the engagement of the students at PCC and we as board--as a board should continue to kind of encourage and support that. So that's my hope.
>> Dr. Sugimoto, did you have something you wanted to say?
>> Why don't I wait.
>> Dr. Rey Castro?
>> Yeah, I just--I'm really thrilled with the level of engagement and activity that's taking place too. That is clearly the foundation for student success on any college campus. What I'm a little amazed by because we've had these joint meeting in the past, is that there's still been no request from the students because we're sort of--I'm sort of accustomed to any time we meet with the students, they always come to ask for a policy recommendation or we need this or we need that, or there's a problem here, how do we solve it, we need your assistance with solving it, we'd like you to join with us and maybe considering this policy direction, and I haven't heard any of that today, and I'm a little sort of scratching my head. Maybe there are no problems, maybe there are no needs, is that the case? I can't imagine that's the case.
>> Dr. Thayer? Dean Thayer?
>> I said that's to come, you know, it is November--
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>> I see, they normally come at these meetings.
>> Right, in May I believe if there's another meeting like this, that will be the time that we'll see those recommendations and concerns or questions or compliments as well.
>> Yeah. I think we've only been [inaudible] sessions a couple--three months, maybe they haven't geared up yet. I do wanna point out something though that I think is probably miraculous. Anyone who's been on campus very long, if you noticed there was a meeting of the joint student meeting with AS Board and the Board of Trustees on May 7th, they presented to the board a travel policy and it was approved on June 3rd which is less than a month. And that's like, you know, max speed and I wanna actually thank the heads of all the shared governance organizations because each of them met and discussed this with their body and--constituent body and then got the recommendation back so that we could move. So it is possible to do things in less than a year and so I did wanna point that out. When you see it, the date's there. It's astonishing. And if you look of what was approved and referred, last year student government was very, very--made several important policy recommendations so we're looking for some in the spring. It's kind of nice just to hear about activities this time.
>> Mr. Martin?
>> I like to agree with that. It's really great to have this meeting and hear the positive things that are going on and I'm gonna kinda follow up on that point with another point for the students and that is here at PCC, you are part and you are the future history of a long tradition. And if you look on the sheet of things that were accomplished and that particularly, the smoking policy which took a couple years, there were some--the students before you and the students before them that began that policy and working it through the campus and really spend a lot of time and effort on it and it took on your watch for it to finally come about. And so as part of that tradition, there are things that you are gonna be instigating on your watch that you won't as a PCC student see the benefit of, but no, the future PCC students will receive the benefit of that the same way we're all receiving the benefit of what the students that came before you did on that smoking policy. So it's part of a grander tradition that you're engaged in and I feel really confident with this group, seems like a great spirit in this group.
>> We have a tremendous tradition of just the most phenomenal students in our leadership capacity and the student trustee and student body governments. I know a lot of those lobbying efforts that you go on. Far better than any professional from the campus are when our students go before legislatures and they really see the seriousness to studies and the seriousness to life and the seriousness to wanting to improve community college not just for yourself but for those that follow you. So you're in a grand tradition and I feel quite comfortable and quite proud of who you are and what I'm hearing here today that you will continue that legacy for the next group of students that follow you. So I'm very appreciative of that.
>> Dr. Sugimoto, did you have something you, yes?
>> If the other Board members wouldn't mind. Prior to the students leaving we do have a cake in the back as a thank you and an appreciation as Theresa Lamb Simpson brought to us, congratulations and thank you to our two Board members and I don't know if we would like to at some point before they leave take a quick break and then use that as a transition time.
>> Sure.
>> I think that would be a good idea. Why don't we --unless our student trustee has something he wanted to say.
>> Oh no, no. Just really quickly, I guess before we do it I would just like to--
>> I think it'd be a good idea. Let's take say a 10-minute break and all the students please join us for some cake and for thanking our two Board members.
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>> I'd like for us to reconvene in about 3 minutes. So would people get their cake and start coming back to their seat please. The next item on the agenda, we're going back to our public comments. Dr. Sugimoto, are you --do you have anymore introductions?
>> No, I don't.
>> No, no, she has no more introductions, okay. Then we're going back to public comments on non-agenda items and the next person I have is Dr. Ken Yakamuchi?
>> Kent Yamauchi.
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>> Dr. Mann, members of the Board, thank you very much. Good afternoon. My name is Kent Yamauchi and I'm the Assistant Dean of Special Services. And I'm here to address non-agenda item, the management salary schedule. However, what I like to do and I believe this is possible is to defer my precious minutes over to Dr. Margaret Ramey who I believe is next.
>> That isn't possible. You have --each person has up to five minutes.
>> Okay, then I was misinformed about that. So I will then--
>> They can give their time to someone else.
>> You wanna challenge the chair's ruling? Then someone may. I just ruled that they cannot, people cannot give their minutes, that each person has five minutes. Alright? Alright. Did you have anything else you wish--do you?
>> No.
>> Alright.
>> Thank you.
>> Thank you. The next person is Dr. Margaret Ramey.
>> Okay, I was also misinformed and therefore I think you have one more public comment.
>> Yes, I have two more. Okay, the next person is Dr. Robert Cody.
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>> I do wanna take a little time for my five minutes to thank both Connie Rey Castro and Beth Wells-Miller for all the time and effort they have put in to the Board. It's been truly appreciated on my part. Let me introduce myself, my name is Dr. Robert Cody. And I'm the Assistant Dean for Computing Services and I've been here for 23 years. I'm also adjunct faculty teaching history. I have a doctorate from UCLA in Educational Research and Policy Analysis. In 1994 I was a RESER award recipient. In 2008 I was actually an oncologist and alumni seal award winner for voluntary service to the college. The reason why I'm sharing my background to you is this conversation is a serious conversation and I'm highly dedicated to the success of the college and the success of our students. And I hope my background reflects that. I'm here to discuss some concerns that some of the managers have in regards to the management salary schedule that was recently adopted. I believe after close examination of this document that you will find that there's a potential that gender and age discrimination has been a product of this document. And I think you will find that the district has neglected its due diligence in the preparation of an acceptance of that document. The salary survey and the salary schedule was not prepared by a competent, professional compensation specialist. It was prepared by one of the managers with no background in compensation specialist and this manager had a vested interest in the outcome of that salary schedule and to give you some idea of the degree of that interest, that manager ended up being the highest paid manager as a result of a schedule that manager designed. So our argument is that as a result of this new salary schedule, some managers actually suffered gender and age discrimination. The average raise for a female manager was 9,000 dollars. The average raise for a male manager was 10,100 dollars. In addition to the old factors that were in the salary schedule, new factors were introduced. These new factors were budgeting and salary. And the result of these new factors greatly discounted the value of years in a position. It's only a form of age discrimination. And I certainly would have hoped that if we were going to try new variables we would have tried variables more closely associated with student success. Perhaps we should be awarding managers for their role in achieving student learning outcomes or student service outcomes. Another factor in this was the schedule for managers was reduced from 33 years to be maximum to 30 years. Again, this is negatively impacting those managers who have served the college the longest. And more importantly, this age discrepant issue is part of what I believe is a pattern and a practice. Recently, the district has failed to follow its own rules and procedures for filling interim positions of the vice president, for student services, for administrative services and the dean of research and --I'm sorry, the dean of institutional planning and research, IPRO. And there were qualified senior managers who were not given an opportunity to apply for those positions. And again, this is a series formed of age discrimination. We have come together, some of the managers have some concerns and we have some recommendations. One is that managers select the salary schedule they would like to function on until some issues can be resolved. We're recommending the legal review of any possible age and gender discrimination and we are certainly encouraging you to employ the services of an impartial compensation specialist to determine whether in fact we can have a schedule that is not gender and not age biased. Thank you very much for your time.
>> Thank you, Dr. Cody. Are there --would you mind to wait just a minute Dr. Cody, are there any questions for Dr. Cody? Mr. Thomson.
>> Can you point me on your report here where these different things are that that you alluded to?
>> I can certainly do that. I mean part of the challenge is this is a very long, complicated subject. And as you can tell there's a 24-page paper that I've handed out to you. That maybe if you turn to--
>> Excuse me just a second. Mr. Thomson, since this is a meet and confer item, I really don't think we should be discussing what's in his document.
>> I'm just asking him where in the document I should be looking, that's all.
>> Alright, as long as he --it's just answering that specific question.
>> We can take a look at the table of contents. And if you take a look at the table of contents it discusses issues related to design, it discusses issues related to implementation and then finally on page 10 that spells out specifically the possible age and gender discrimination.
>> Okay, thank you.
>> Does that --did you have any other questions, Mr. Thomson?
>> No.
>> Okay. Any other Board members, any questions or comments? I would like just--
>> Maybe I do.
>> Yes Mrs. Wells-Miller.
>> I'm disturbed to hear gender and age, the phrase gender and age discrimination. It worries me on several levels. Obviously, for the people involved but above and beyond that it concerns me that the school alike might be subject to--
>> Mrs. Wells-Miller this is a--
>> Delegation.
>> This is a meet and confer item, we really cannot discuss it, we can't bargain at open session. If you have a question like Mr. Thomson's like where is this information or could you clarify what you meant by something, that's fine, but we cannot discuss this in open session. Did you have a question?
>> Never mind.
>> Then what I think we should do is we should get this paper, this document that you had given us Dr. Cody to the president and ask if this be--if this be you know looked at in through the appropriate context which will be in the meet and confer.
>> That's probably fine with us. I just want to bring this to your attention. We know this is the path that we have to go. We did not expect resolution of this issue at this time. This is information for you.
>> Dr. Rey Castro.
>> I wanna thank you for bringing it to our attention. It's the first that I've heard of this issue without talking about it. I do want to convey that this issue, the seriousness of this kind of an issue without discussing it and to let you know that that is heard without understanding any of the details. You know, clearly, this is an issue that needs to be looked into. And that the procedures set aside for meet and confer issues because of liability issues needs to be followed. So with that said I wanna thank you again for bringing this to our attention.
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>> Yeah, yeah.
>> Okay?
>> Thank you.
>> Yes, Mr. Martin.
>> And I would just point out that I think here in the meeting today we have both sides of the meet, the people responsible, you know the leaders of both sides to the meet and confer are here. And the superintendent and the management association president are both here so they can both have a copy of the document and we as a Board should turn it back to the process knowing both sides are fairly represented here and have access to the same information. And I believe ultimately we all want the same best outcome. So I'll just reference that both parties are here and we can certainly turn it over to both sides.
>> Mrs. Ligons, you look like you wanted to speak?
>> I want you to know that these issues were brought to the attention of the membership of the management association and in a special meeting last month, we voted to send four representatives from the association to meet with the dean of human resources to look at the issues and concerns and then bring back to us their findings and recommendations and from that point we would take it to the president to present to you. So there is a process in place and I thank Mr. Martin because you identified that process very clearly.
>> Thank you. I also have a--Amy Ulmer would like to address the Board. This is on a non-agenda item, is that right Dean Ulmer?
>> Yes, this is also about the management compensation. I am Amy Ulmer. I'm a former faculty member although I'm still a faculty member because I teach. I'm the dean of English. I've been with PCC for 19 years. And I was a recipient I believe of gender discrimination in my salary for at least the past 12 years until the new compensation package was presented to us. And I respect my colleague's point of view but I think the Board needs to know that there is also a different perspective and that the process took probably two years. I'm not sure exactly but it was a very long time coming, the new compensation schedule. And it was a very open process. It was unanimously approved by the management association. Dr. van Pelt volunteered hundreds of hours of his time and his expertise to create an objective compensation plan that would be equitable externally and internally. And I wanna remind you that this was an equity adjustment issue, not an issue of giving raises to managers. All the managers in the association were participants from the beginning. We saw more PowerPoints than I ever wanna see. If a manager did not receive an equity adjusted it meant that that person had been properly paid all along. And appeals process has been provided and the management association has been looking at that and to address the concerns of any of the managers. And I was gonna finish with what Ms. Ligons said that the management association has set up a process to address the concerns. And I just think it's important for you to know that this was a very open process all along. So there should not have been any surprises, thank you.
>> Thank you Dean Ulmer. Are there--excuse me, are there any questions for Dean Ulmer? Alright, the next person I have to address an agenda item not on the--item non-agenda is Carol Calandra.
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>> Hi, good afternoon. My name is Carol Calandra. I'm president of the Veterans Club here at Pasadena City College. I'm not a veteran myself but I do feel the need to bring more awareness to our veterans here on campus. Currently, we have 684 self-identified student veterans on this campus with approximately 286 of them currently receiving full VA benefits. 15 percent of those student veterans are women. With the governor who is currently I believe in Baghdad, Adam Schiff who has just recently left Afghanistan, the numbers from the VA are staggering. 35,000 veterans will be returning to Southern California the next two years. So we need to--as a community college I do believe that our job here is to educate our students. And I believe that we should duly educate or dutifully educate our soldiers. PCC has done a great job. Last week we had our very first ever veteran's appreciation week. We had tanks and jeeps in the campus. We had signs set out to thank a veteran. We had disabled veterans here. We had Doc Byers [phonetic], Disabled Student Services. We had Dean Ramey's office out there. We have a tremendous amount of passion here on this campus for our student veterans and I think we need to continue to grow that. I think we are in desperate need of a veterans center here. There are five, I believe, colleges in Southern California that have a veterans center, Citrus, Santa Monica, Saddleback and Los Angeles City College. I think the great --the need is great here. We need a safe place for our veterans to go where they can have some comprehensive services and counseling services, more VA services there. The other thing I think we need to be aware of is I am a student here. Some of the most incredible professors I have ever run across in my life teaching at this campus and I would surely hate to see that group of 35,000 miss out on some of the tremendous professors here on this campus. The staff here is wonderful. Dr. Sugimoto, thank you very much for all your help with our veterans' issues. Dr. Thayer as well he--is he gone? I was his shadow for a little while going. We need veterans' issues, we need veterans' issues. Hello, we're here, we're here. We are here and we are coming more and more. We also have found out that within the last six months, the recruiting station right across the street has signed up 168 additional folks. When they come back they're coming to this district. They're coming to Pasadena with full educational benefits. We need things--we need PCC to be forward thinking, we need smart classrooms. And with the increase in disabled services and psych services, we're gonna have to deal with things like PTSD, we're gonna have to deal with traumatic brain injury. The classrooms need to be smart. We also have just--we were lucky enough to get a mentor program. One of very few community colleges in this area where we have staff and faculty that have agreed to mentor some of our student veterans that are coming in. We also have some veteran, some seasoned veterans that have also agreed to help the ones coming in. We would like to see increases in counseling, special counseling for veterans. We also are second in the nation to have the books to boots campus or course on this campus. Citrus was the first, we are the second. Dr. Harold Martin teaches that class. He currently--it's standing room only. We need so many more classes like that. The gym department is doing a special swimming class for veterans with disabilities. But again, I just wanna thank the Board for all the work they've let us do. And we really need to get a veteran's center here and I would appreciate any help from any of you. And I will be here to do that for two more semesters. That's it.
>> Thank you. Any questions? Mr. Baum.
>> Just I wanna thank you for that update and presentation. That was very helpful.
>> And just so you know, too, on the Board of Governors for the State, California is the destination of more veterans than any other state and we're trying to work with the federal government to direct more resources from Washington to veteran services through the community colleges and we're looking forward to working with you and others to get the resources, so that we can offer even more services and perhaps a veterans center here at PCC and at colleges around the state.
>> Thank you very much.
>> Any other questions? Yes, Mr. Thomson.
>> Just quickly to say that I agree with what Mr. Baum has just said and also it seems to me that among many, many things that happen to people when they're in the service, sometimes they get concerned and serious about life after the service and so, PCC as a community college particularly given what you've just said about the number of recruits that have been found in this area, I think it's going to be a very, very popular place and the more we could do to make that transition possible and seamless the better off we're going to be, the better off the troops are going to be. Thank you.
>> Any other questions or comments? Thank you very much. The next item on the agenda is the approval of the minutes of meeting number 24, November 4th 2009. In your packet, in your maroon package, there's a revised page 1. Are there any other suggestions for corrections, revisions to the minutes? Yes, Mr. Lindemann?
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>> I'd like to correct on the opportunity drawing that a portion--
>> Excuse me. Could you give me the page first? Is this on your--is this your?
>> This would be on my report that I have now.
>> Okay, let's see if we can find it. Okay, it would be on page--
>> Six.
>> Six, okay, yes. On the opportunity drawing.
>> On the opportunity drawing, I erroneously reported that the entire winnings were turned back over. It was a portion of the winnings.
>> Okay, a portion of the winnings.
>> That's right.
>> Alright, do you have that, Mrs. Thompson? Ah, okay. I was looking for you in the wrong place. Any other additions or corrections? Do I have a motion to approve the move?
>> So move.
>> Second?
>> Second.
>> Any further discussion? Student trustee?
>> Aye.
>> The rest of the trustees, all in favor please say aye.
>> Aye.
>> Opposed. Motion carries. Alright, the next item is the Approval of Consent Items. Student trustee, do you have a consent item you would like to address?
>> No, I do not.
>> Mr. Thomson?
>> 3-S.
>> 3-S. Mrs. Wells-Miller.
>> No, I don't have any.
>> Dr. Rey Castro?
>> No.
>> Mr. Baum?
>> 77-B, 81 and 82-B.
>> Okay. Mr. Martin?
>> None, thank you.
>> Okay, Mr. Thomson, 3-S.
>> Just out of a question of curiosity, there are two students here; one from Indonesia and one from Russia, what types of courses are they coming here to take? I think it's wonderful they're doing it. I am just curious as to what the background is and why they have selected Pasadena City College?
>> Dr. Rey--Dr. Sugimoto, can you answer that?
>> I don't that I can actually answer that but I think there are two individuals who might be able to, Dr. Cynthia Olivo and Ms. Amy Yan are Associate Dean for Counseling and Student Success Services and our Director for International Students. Amy, I don't know if you know these two individuals. Do you know who they are, these two students? Okay.
>> It could be just a written response.
>> Okay, could we get a written response on that?
>> We'd be happy to do that for you.
>> Thank you.
>> I think it's a wonderful program and wonderful that we're doing it, I'm just curious as to what would attract a student from Indonesia and a student from Russia to come to Pasadena, California other than the weather.
>> Other than the weather.
>> Rose Parades, the Rose Bowl games and et cetera.
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>> Football and nice weather, I think.
>> Dr. Rey Castro?
>> Just a question, do we do--
>> I'm sorry. She said she does know the two students.
>> Oh wait a minute, okay.
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>> Okay, we can't. Just a second, do you mind if she answers the question. Would you come to the podium, so our audio audience can hear you, please?
>> Yeah, one student was from Indonesia and she has financial need and the other student was from Russia and has economic difficulties for the next semester tuition, so we approved both of them and there were 15 students who applied, but two were approved, recommended.
>> Alright, that really isn't the question I was asking. I was just curious as to why someone from Indonesia or someone from Russia would select Pasadena City College to come for school?
>> Oh, why they come to Pasadena City College. We have many students come here because of Pasadena City College's high reputation and also, high transfer rate, so those two are the main reasons for the international students to be attracted to here.
>> Okay.
>> Thank you very much and Dr. Rey Castro, did you have a question or comment?
>> Yeah, I do have a question and a comment. Well, I'm really happy to see that we do waivers of tuition. In this particular situation, the waiver is for international students. I'm just curious as to whether or not we do waivers of tuition for local students who have financial need. There are so many local students that I know that can't attend because they don't have enough money or they have problems getting financial assistance who haven't been able to take advantage of PCC right in their backyard, so I'm a little curious about this.
>> Dr. Sugimoto.
>> Well, we certainly do serve many of our students with the Board of Governors' fee waiver if they're unable to afford the fees themselves and certainly, for our students that are local or are residents of the state, it's 26 dollars, but we still--meaning for 26 dollars a unit is quite high, so we do offer the Board of Governors waiver and we certainly get our financial aid office and Kim is in the audience out there to encourage students if they can't afford to apply for the Board of Governors waiver.
>> Okay, any other questions on this item? If not, Item 77-B, Mr. Baum?
>> Yes, I had a question on the contract to approve the contract for our artist in residence and I have two questions, just one is if we could get an idea of who this person is that we're approving a payment to and also is the payment consistent with previous years for artists in residents?
>> Thank you very much, Mr. Baum. I see Alex Kritselis in the audience and certainly, he's very familiar with our artist in residence, so I think the question is if this is about the same amount we pay and who the artist is?
>> Thank you for giving me the opportunity. I do have a couple of things I wanna pass to you for a second as I--I'm sorry. The artist in residence program is in its 24th year. It's been a remarkable success for our students and for our community and it has given us a chance to get the name of our college a little bit wider than we normally do, just because the people that we bring in come different parts of the universe. This time, Gary Panter is from New York. He's a renowned designer. In 2000, he received the Chrysler Design Award which is given to people that have contributed exceptionally to design and this year, the artist in residence program is focusing on design. We tried to rotate. Last year, if you remember, we had a photographer. The year before that, we had a sculptor. So we try to satisfy as much as we can all the needs of the division. I'm very excited about this artist because he brings to us a range of different skills. He's an illustrator, he's a painter, a designer, part-time musician, interior designer. He is an internet animator. He has done pretty much everything that an artist wishes to do and at very high level. Our students would have a great opportunity to meet and discuss these things with somebody who has been very successful in the field. The second part of the question, we used to offer to the artist in residence who came to be with us for a week, 10,000 dollars. About five or six years ago, maybe more than that, seven years ago, we reduced the fee to 5000 dollars. We're able to carry the residency at the level that we have been doing with half the award that were given--we're able to give prior to six, seven years ago. This year is the second time that I have taken the initiative the raise the level to 7,500 dollars because bringing somebody from some distance, it requires additional expenses as in the housing and transportation. Overall, we are able to receive support from outside our college community. We do receive funding from the Pasadena Art Alliance as well as we receive funding from individuals that come with their checks and say, I would like to support this program and that gives us an opportunity to do some interesting things that otherwise we'll not be able to do through our regular budget.
>> Thank you, Mr. Baum, does that answer your--
>> My question was that that was helpful 'cause it seemed higher to me than in the past, but I also see that 2,500 is being supplemented by the foundation and you raised the regular allowance, so that's good. He looks like a very distinguished artist and I'm excited that he'll be coming and one of the things that would be always helpful, I don't know to me as a Board member, I don't know for the rest of the Board, for contracts, we're honorarium to have just even just a one-page description as to who the--a little bio information so that we would be able to say oh yeah, of course Gary--you pronounce it Panter?
>> Panter.
>> Panter is coming and so we can read up a little bit on them before--
>> I would be more than happy to do it.
>> But obviously, he seems like an extraordinary artist with a considerable body of work that will be of benefit to our students. It's a little heavy to pass it around. I'm sure we could get a look at it otherwise. My other item, my other question on that item is just that I'm going to--I don't have any other questions on him or anybody else.
>> Alright. No, I don't think anyone else, so it's items 80 and 81.
>> Right, the other item on that is just for obvious reasons, I will be abstaining from voting on the contract of 50,800 dollars to the University of Southern California because that's my employer.
>> Okay, is that Item 80 and 81?
>> No, that's Item 77 contract number, so we'll have to just pull that for a separate vote.
>> Okay, 77-B, we need a separate vote on that, okay. And then you did say, item 80 and 81-B.
>> Just the two change order items, is this about the--on 81-B, is this--my question is, is this the end of the change orders for the ITB and CC projects or are there more coming down pike and then also with the next one about where are we and change orders for the network project infrastructure upgrade?
>> Dr. Sugimoto.
>> Are we about wrapping those up?
>> Well, it looks like Jack Schulman is at the lectern, so how about if I turn it over to Jack?
>> In regards to 81-B for measure P industrial technology's campus center bookstore, as of yesterday, we are on a--actually, yesterday was a second round. We're on a--every Tuesday for our marathon to close out the change orders with the contractor and I'll quote Dr. van Pelt that again, you may like the end result, but you won't like the process because it's not pretty. The change orders you have in front of you are the recent ones, we finished all ITB yesterday, so now we're gonna start to--and we did a couple of the campus centers, so we'll continue on with that, and hopefully within at least three more sessions, we should be done. There are 73 more change order requests, not change orders. Remember, we lump the change order request together and you see the change orders and that's because if we came to you with every change order request and turn it into a change order, you'd have a million to approve--not a million but a lot to approve.
>> Has all this work been done or is this in accounting--
>> All the work has been done.
>> This is--all this work had already been done.
>> Correct. We're in the negotiation process now. That's the process I was talking about that's not pretty. So anyway, there are 73 left total for Barnhart. That total 667,310 dollars which will bring the total amount of the change orders. Now, those are previously approved by the Board and face value of the change order request. Remember the process. We're right now between a third and a half on every change order that they request. That's how far we cut them back, so at face value, we will--that is the face value, 667,000. That will bring our total at face value to 4,379,305 which is 52,600 below the 10 percent and as you will all remember, we've been very clear that we would beat right up to that threshold of the 10 percent. We will not go over it, but we will be very close.
>> Right, the face order of the remaining change order is the 600-some thousand. We have a project contingency of 700,000 dollars but you're and you're telling us that there's still a good chance it's gonna come well below that 600-some thousand.
>> Correct.
>> The final change order.
>> Correct.
>> Okay, and then the same on the--
>> ITB, that was a final accounting for the Verizon.
>> That ITB--on the infrastructure, the Verizon project, right.
>> Yes, right. That is a final accounting. One of the last items that they had, Verizon had to finish, was the demolition of a lot of the existing cable. In an effort, again, to save money, we're gonna do a lot of or we are doing a lot of that work in-house, so that is the deduction for the work that they did not do. And remember, I think that total brings us to a negative, almost negative 5 percent on the project instead of, that's how much money we got back.
>> Okay and is that project completed?
>> That part of the project is. Remember, there's a change order for the industrial technology building the campus center and the bank, but that's a separate item. But the work for the original project, yes, it's complete. This was just a house cleaning if you will of the last remaining--
>> But the Verizon infrastructure, we now have an infrastructure.
>> Correct.
>> A state of the art information infrastructure.
>> Correct, and that is the last cleanup for that project.
>> Okay, thank you. That's all.
>> Does anyone else have any other questions for Mr. Schulman since he's here? Alright, thank you Mr. Schulman. Back, does anyone else have any other questions, those were the--yes, Mrs. Ligons?
>> Dr. Mann, Item 78-B, Consent Item 78-B?
>> Yes.
>> It appears to me that we're going to be using management association staff development funds for this if you approve it and we've already made a commitment for those funds, so I'd like a clarification on what part of staff development money will this come from?
>> Dr. Sugimoto, can you respond to that?
>> Well, you know, Mrs. Ligons, I'm not exactly sure and I have Dr. van Pelt in the audience and also, Dean Engeldinger since I assume that staff development funds are coming out of HR, so.
>> That's right.
>> Thank you.
>> We were requested to assign some staff development funds. We did that out of the remaining staff development funds that had not been allocated as of yet to any particular program, so it's unallocated. It doesn't mean that they wouldn't have been allocated at some point for some other purpose.
>> How has this been funded in the past? Do you know Mr. Engeldinger?
>> I do not know.
>> Dr. Sugimoto, do you know?
>> And I apologize I'm not sure since this is the first time I've dealt with this fund, so, I assume in the past that the managers association has supported this, but as Ms. Ligons has said, she has already allocated the funds that they have for other purposes, but we do have money available to support this.
>> Well in the past, we have as the association paid for this reception and then three years ago, we ran out of money and asked HR if they could help by allowing us to use staff development money and I believe it's just as a Lyle has said, we use staff development money, but what I wanted to be clear about is this isn't the management associations pot of staff development money and I think you answered that when you said we take what's left over after.
>> That's correct.
>> That's good, so we're okay.
>> Alright, you're okay then? Alright, alright. Now, are we ready to vote on this? Do I have a motion to approve the consent items with 77-B held for a separate vote?
>> Move to approve.
>> Is there a second?
>> Second.
>> I have a motion and a second to approve the consent items with 77-B, held for a separate vote. Student trustee?
>> Aye.
>> Other trustees, all in favor, please say aye.
>> Aye.
>> Opposed? Motion carries and now, do I have a motion to approve 77-B?
>> And that's only the one--the only contract within 77-B.
>> Oh, the contract within 77-B with USC, right, okay. So do I have a motion to approve 77-B, the contract within 77-B with USC?
>> So move.
>> So move.
>> Okay, got a motion from Brian and a second from Dr. Rey Castro. Student trustee vote?
>> Aye.
>> The rest of trustees, all in favor say aye.
>> Aye.
>> Opposed, abstain.
>> Abstain.
>> Mr. Baum wishes to abstain and he wishes his name to appear in the minutes as abstaining, is that not correct, Mr. Baum?
>> Correct.
>> The next is the accreditation update, Dr. Sugimoto?
>> Yes, I'd like to ask Crystal Kollross and Mr. Bob Miller to address this particular item.
>> You can go first.
>> Well, as you can see, we've been making a lot of progress over the last month and I just want to point out two really important items on here. First of all, I just like to thank, Dr. Lynn Wright for agreeing once again to help us write the followup report. Dr. Wright, I believe she's here and we are forever grateful to her and her abilities and I'd also like to point out that Associate Professor Linda Hinsman [phonetic] has agreed to come back on as our illumin--we call her the illuminator which is our software database for housing our SLO assessment results and I can't tell you what a fabulous job she does at this and I so appreciate her being willing to do it for us again.
>> Any questions by the Board? Mr. Baum?
>> I appreciate the report, my question is as a state, we're beginning to become concerned about the way accreditation is being handled and communicated to the public. Would it be helpful for us as a district to invite a member of the accreditation commission to come speak to the Board about the accreditation process and PCC's accreditation so that we can also engage in a healthy dialogue?
>> Dr. Sugimoto, you want to answer it? Mr. Miller? Who is going to answer that one?
>> Yes, Mr. Miller, maybe you could address that.
>> Yes, I'd be happy to. Certainly, that would be something that the ACCJC staff would be very happy to do. And I know that Ms. Kollross and I when we attended our recent retreat met a number of considerably qualified ACCJC consultants and staff members who would be happy to come down I'm sure and address the Board if that were the pleasure of the Board.
>> Is that the pleasure of the Board, to have an ACCJC staff member come down and tell us why they're dinging us?
[ Laughter ]
>> Well--
>> Well, again, I--
>> Phrase it quite that way.
[ Laughter ]
>> What I think is missing is a dialogue with them about the way they're going about doing it. Now we're planning to have Barbara Beno, the executive director, speak--meet with the Board of Governors. Would it be helpful to have--I believe, let me put it this way. I would say I think it would be helpful to have somebody from the accrediting commission come to PCC to say, to explain to us their methodology or process for making these recommendations so that we can then be informed. And then also have an opportunity to dialogue about it.
>> I think we should ask Dr. Beno to come.
>> Possibly yes.
>> I think she would come, this is a big college and it's an influential college. Yes, Dr Rey Castro?
>> Actually, while I don't think we have the authority, I certainly would strongly recommend Dr. Beno go to all the colleges that have been dinged.
>> That's what I'm trying to say. That it would be helpful for them to because all we get is--what I've seen happen is a press release is sent to the media without any opportunity for dialogue or explanation. And then what was very frustrating to me, I'll put on the record, was the fact that no member of the accreditation team was available to be interviewed by the media about that. I saw it in the news stories, oh, and nobody was available to comment or there was nobody the reporter was able to reach. So I think it would be helpful for the college as--but I don't want to do anything that would take us off track from our process now, too. That's the only thing. I wouldn't want to do at the expense of sidetracking us from the process now. So the timing I'd want to work with the administration in a way that would be most productive and not as--
>> What I think I've heard is that the Board think this is a good idea and we would leave it up to the administration to try to decide the appropriate time so that we--so that it'd be most fruitful. I'm sorry Mrs. Wells-Miller, I didn't see your hand before I start talking.
>> I think it's important for people to know that the recommendation made was a very simple one. It was a suggestion that instead of using multiple means of rating our programs that the campus use one uniform standard for judging all of our programs as far as success rate. And that's the least of all of the sanctions, it's called a warning which I think is poorly worded but at any rate, that was a very minor thing that was recommended to PCC which speaks well for the college. I think Dr. Wright if she, I think I saw her. Am I correct on that, Dr. Wright?
>> Yeah. If I may address that question. There are five recommendations that the way that Mrs. Wells-Miller is characterizing or warning is somewhat accurate. It is accurate in the sense that it has been characterized to us as an issue that can be more or less easily resolved. However, there is a great deal of work and effort and energy going into determining the best way to resolve that issue right now. And I'm very pleased to state that the chaired governance groups have been very active in this process. We've had several meetings. We're making great progress on a number of fronts. And I think this Board will be pleased with the outcome, not only as it relates to the recommendation, excuse me, the warning which is recommendation number 1 but how we address the other four recommendations as well.
>> Right. Mr. Baum.
>> I appreciate it. So what I'd like to recommend for the Board's consideration is that our administration communicate to the accreditation commission that the Board at some point would like Barbara Beno or a member to come to the Board to discuss the process but then to--but that our administration would work it out with the accreditation commission to be at a time it would be most effective in this process.
>> Does anyone have any objection to that? Dr. Rey Castro?
>> No objections but certainly some concerns. My concern would be that the media would overplay this issue and make it to be something other than informational. You know, the headlines after the accreditation warning was issued made this out to be PCC fails or in danger of failing accreditation which was totally overblown and the furthest thing from the truth there is. And when you've got Barbara Beno coming in to meet with the college, it presents an opportunity for those who would take something and turn it into a headline to distort it and to make it something that it's not. So that's a major concern for me and it should be a concern for the Board because it's an issue that the Board will obviously have to deal with further on down the line. I do think there would be a benefit for Barbara Beno to come to the college and for the leader of the accreditation commission to explain and to communicate more fully with the college in this process. I think that would be very beneficial. I do see some alarms built into the process that we really have to be cognizant of. I think that whenever Barbara Beno goes to the Board of Governors for example, you know there's an accountability process there that sort of naturally plays itself out. But because when Barbara Beno comes to PCC, we're not exactly the Board of Governors, we are in a situation where we can get dinged and worse. And so those are some concerns that I think we have to keep in mind.
>> Dr. Sugimoto and then Mr. Thomson.
>> Just to quickly address what Dr. Rey Castro was saying, I think it's a matter with if the purpose is for her to come or someone to come to describe the process is one thing. I think if you're asking specifics about PCC, we could be--it could be a different. So I think it depends on what we're trying to get and we can discuss that.
>> Why don't--oh, I'm sorry Mr. Thomson.
>> I'm just reflecting on this a little bit. I think Dr. Rey Castro makes a good point. I guess I could see some benefit if she came and talk to Dr. Miller or Dr. Wright or whoever it is that's working on this, Crystal, et cetera. But, to bring her to a public meeting, she might feel put on the defensive. And hence, want to become offensive and justify the rating that they gave us. And I think that's not going to serve any other purpose. So I guess I would share the concern that this could turn into a [inaudible].
>> Mr. Martin.
>> I think it's important that the communication go both ways. And I think PCC is in an enviable position because we got Mr. Baum on the Board of Governors. And so I kind of want to--I think it's important for the commission to understand how their actions, though well intended, may cause unintended negative consequences. And that needs to be communicated back to the commission. And I don't know if that's best done in local Board meetings or person to person or through the Board of Governors but again, going back to having Mr. Baum in the position that he's in to kind of get all those different angles, I would support whatever way we can communicate back--that message back to the commission. So that the commission can put an appropriate spin or appropriate title on these things so that future community colleges don't suffer from misintended headlines. So that's kind of where I would like, I wanna make sure the commission is hearing how their good intentions were misconstrued.
>> Because there's a way to--there's a way to kill an object without hitting it with a sledge hammer, I've made that comment before. Sometimes a fly swatter is all you need. So don't use the sledge hammer, you know.
>> Dr. Sugimoto?
>> What I take into account is what Dr. Rey Castro said. I think for every community college in the state to have had the kind of sanctions that have occurred, there has been many times I think that Dr. Scott has dealt with this. I'm sure the Board of Governors in the process of working with Dr. Beno, this will also be mentioned to them. Again, the purpose of bringing her here to this body to discuss whatever, and I think it really depends on the purpose of doing that. If we want to talk specifically about the warning, my concern is we are addressing the warning, we are addressing the recommendations. And I truly hope that we would trust the individuals who are working this through to bring that information to you. They have been in constant contact with the accrediting commission to make sure that we are addressing the warning and doing it right. In fact we have been commended for the process that we are making. So again, I think it certainly depends on the purpose of bringing her here if we want to ask her to talk with us as a body and as an institution about the process of how people get on sanctions and how they get off of them. In general, I think that would be a fine thing to do. To ask her about our warning, it could be one that she would feel, she would be defensive about, I'm not sure. But, again, I mean I'd leave it up to the Board. We certainly can time this right. I just need to know for sure the purpose.
>> Go ahead, Mr. Baum.
>> And I'm not looking for a debate about our warnings. In fact I'd like to decouple it because I don't, like I said, I don't want to do anything that would sidetrack our process that we're going through right now. I do think local districts and the Board of Governors will also need to exert the same amount of scrutiny and dialogue with the accreditation commission as they also expect from us. And that what Dr.--what Mr. Martin had said that they need to--right now, to me, it feels like there's a star chamber and that you just kind of issue a press release with nobody behind it, without engaging any pre-dialogue as opposed to other processes where we get evaluated, for example, our audit process, our financial audit process, where there is an ongoing dialogue. And then we can go through that. Now I know the administration has that dialogue with the accreditation commission but I think it's important for the accreditation commission to see the Boards of Trustees and the district leadership as their constituents as well. And that we need to hold them as accountable for their processes and procedures as we do. But, I'm mindful, I'm happy to say, to report back after we've had that meeting at the Board of Governors where Barbara Beno is to report back to our Board. And then to then recommend whether it would be fruitful to have her come to the PCC Board.
>> Dr. Rey Castro?
>> Yeah. I'd like to hear the feedback from that meeting, too. But, on the other, with regard to the other item, I would recommend such an invitation to Barbara Beno if one is made take place after we take care of our warning. Because then it would take the pressure off of them and it would take the pressure off of us. And it would put as much more on an equal footing. And there would be less opportunity to distort the purpose of the meeting or to scandalize it in any way. Let's take care of the warning and then invite them and establish good rapport.
>> I was going to make a suggestion similar to that Dr. Sugimoto and I was thinking, particularly since we'll have two new trustees that maybe we could actually rather than ask Dr. Beno to discuss with us, you know, what is accreditation, why are we doing it, the change in the standards. Put it in a more general context because, and I think that would be also be very, very helpful to the public. If we could get some good coverage of that and then we could also that but take a broader approach. And also the, I mean I've heard her speak on this many, many times. The pressure that the western association feels they're getting from Congress for not having been as hard. And people feel like they're overreacting but this is a very, you know it's very political. So if we could just really look at what's the purpose, what's going on, you know who's doing this. And I think to also put in context of educating our, not only our new trustees but ourselves. So that, and do it after the warning is resolved, I think that'd be excellent. In the meantime, Mr. Baum can let us know. And I do know that the chancellor's appointed task force to look at accreditation and I'm sure as a member of the Board of Trustees, you'll get regular updates on that. I do have a request. I think Dr. van Pelt must have eyes in the side of his head because I cannot see people on both sides. And since he's configured this, maybe he can give me some of those side mirrors like you have on your car or something. So, please if I don't see you, please send me a note. Okay, the next item is the Approval of Additions and Deletions to the Credit, Non-credit Curriculum: discussion with possible action, Dr. Sugimoto?
>> Yes, thank you Dr. Mann. I think Dr. Jacobs; she's right behind the lectern so, now I know how you felt. I couldn't see her.
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>> Okay. If you return to I in your packet, well in your book, you will notice that our curriculum and instruction committee along with the deans and staff have been very busy this fall and adding classes, developing courses and also in deleting some. So if you have questions about those, I will--we'll be happy to talk about them but we did have a lot, you remember the program in anesthesia technology and nursing and a lot of courses were developed along that line. And a lot of language courses were developed. Now, we've been talking a lot about changes through Title V. And one of the areas that we had changes in was that of having majors in our associate degree programs. And we've had our C&I people, curriculum and instruction people, to really work hard with that. But the person that champions all of our Title V changes was Mr. Ed Martinez. Would you come forward just a moment? He is the vice-president of the Academic Senate and also our articulation officer for the campus. So, Ed has worked to get 13 majors done and I just thought that he should tell you the processes and a little about those majors. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
>> Good afternoon Board members. And I think I'm here today as the chair of the Ad Hoc Committee on Title V changes, just for clarity. And I have a handout that I'll distribute to you.
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>> Dr. Jacobs asked me yesterday to give you a very quick summary of the nature of these Title V changes. And so there's a handout going about one page, easy to review. All of these really began in the plenary sessions of the statewide academic senate three years ago when the statewide senate voted to increase the graduation standards for English and math for all associate degrees throughout the state. And very importantly to discontinue the practice of awarding degrees based on, solely on the completion of the GE requirements for the UC and CSU systems. In other words, a degree based solely on IGETC or solely on the CSU GE requirements. These were approved by the Board of Governors and they went into effect in the fall of 2009. Now for many years PCC had only one de facto major for our AA degrees, a major in "liberal studies". The student could earn that degree by completing our local GE requirements or the transfer GE requirements and accumulating 60 transferable units in, again, virtually any combination of courses. So beginning this fall, students have to complete the minimum levels of English 1a and intermediate algebra for a degree. And they have to complete one of the majors that were approved last year, last fall, or one of the majors that are being presented here today. And on the back of this sheet of paper, you'll see a list of, first of all, the majors that were approved last fall and those that are being considered here today, 13. So a committee of faculty, the Ad Hoc Committee on Title V Changes began meeting in 2007, it was a varied committee representing faculty in all the divisions.
>> We came up after much discussion with these majors. Taken into consideration what we believe is most effective for students in terms of their priorities for transfer, for the completing of--for the development of skills and such. The majors were developed. They were sent to the C&I committee and went through more lengthy and rigorous discussions. And we also had input from classified staff from managers and I should also point out from students. So all of the new majors or areas of emphasis as they are referred to in Title V are composed of at least 18 units of transfer level courses and they were designed in such a way to align well with the major preparation for the UC and CSU systems. And again on the back, you see the AAs that were developed last year, the 13 that we are proposing now including dance, a degree in English writing, environmental studies. And this was also, we had input from Ling O'Connor and members of the Sustainability Committee. They believe that this will be a very dynamic new degree that students can use in a variety of ways as they prepare to transfer on to any of the universities. Seven distinct degrees in various foreign languages, linguistics, theater arts and we also have a new degree in visual arts and media studies. And so, there in a nutshell you have the change.
>> Do you have any questions? I have a question. Are we still awarding the degree, the transfer, AA, because I don't remember the Board doing anything to say we're not awarding. Or do we take an action to not award it?
>> The old degrees are grandfathered, that is to say students who have maintained continuous enrollment may still apply for the "old transfer degree" but those who began in the fall of 2009, this fall, or at a later point will have to come under the provisions for a major.
>> That's helpful but that doesn't answer my question. I remember that the Board approved the transfer degree. And so what I'm asking is, has it come to the Board to in a sense disapprove the transfer degree. Maybe Dr. Sugimoto can answer that?
>> I don't know if you can disapprove it since we still have, or discontinue it I think is the real term, because we still have students that are in the degree using that. So we'd want to make sure at some point in time that we don't discontinue to grandfathering individuals in. I would assume in some years way into the future we may be discontinuing it and we will bring it back to the Board at that time.
>> Yes, Dr. Bickley?
>> Excuse me. Edward, you probably know better than I but there were policies brought to the Board I believe last year that probably identified the change and if you would, would you comment?
>> Well, there is a proposed change in policy 40-60 on the associates degree that I believe is coming forward.
>> Or it's in process and it's not come forward yet. Okay, alright. That's--I mean, the point that I'm making is I think the Board actually has to act in order to discontinue, establish and so on. And so if it's coming through the normal process, that's fine. That's a fine question. Yes Mr. Martin?
>> I'm trying to understand what this is saying. And so maybe if I asked it this way and you answer it this way, it will help me understand. Who in the old system would've gotten an AA degree? Who in the new system would not get an AA degree?
>> Interesting question. When we were creating the degrees, for example, in communication arts, engineering technology, humanities, the natural sciences and social sciences, we created this to be very broad maybe. So that virtually anyone who was getting one of the old AA degrees would qualify for one of the new ones in its place. So, for example, if we have a student who is preparing to go from PCC to UCLA in psychology, whereas previously they would have received an AA degree in "liberal studies", they will now qualify to receive an AA degree in social and behavioral sciences. So the course work, it's the same course work, it's simply now receiving a different title.
>> So let me ask it again. Because I think there are many students who might be transferring and they should know what they want their major to be wherever they are transferring but there are some who don't. So I'm looking at number five, 18 units in particular area. Is it, would it have been possible in the old system for somebody to have 60 units but not any of those 60 to have 18 specifically in one of these areas whereby they would have a general AA degree. But now, because of the new system, they don't really qualify for anyone of the 13 or 20 AA subcategories. Is that possible?
>> That is possible. And the old system, I think what you're saying is a lot of more flexibility. That's certainly true. The new system is designed to have students focus more on their preparation. And to align that preparation with the transfer requirements in the UC and the Cal State systems, so the new system is indeed less flexible. And it's our job then as counselors and faculty to inform the students that they should be meeting with us and planning their course work appropriately.
>> Mr. Martin.
>> So I'd like to ask then this question. I'm one who came, as an example, who came to PCC laser focused. I knew exactly where I wanted to go, what I wanted to do. This would've been--what you're proposing would've been fantastic for me. I'm also one that once I got there ended up changing majors, who knew. And how many college students do I know today who have changed majors several times and most the ones that I know, they're changing their majors in their junior and senior year, it isn't the freshmen or sophomore years. They finally got in to all those businesses classes and now they're interested in something else or vice-versa. So is it possible with that understanding in mind to not necessarily defunct the old generic AA degree but still had a more pristine perhaps defined AA degree in all these different disciplines where we encourage students to be in one of these disciplines but for those of you who just aren't quite sure yet, we still don't want to pull it. I mean, I know you're not pulling the carpet out of those who are in the process but I mean for the ones to come who will be like me or like many of the young people I know that have dreamt, who changed majors. Can we do both? Why not do both? Let me ask that.
>> Well, these are items that have been debated wildly in the statewide academic senate. And our own perspective, in other words when we voted in the statewide senate upon recessions, we voted to maintain a broader option to allow for an AA degree in "transfer studies" with a liberal arts emphasis. The statewide senate said, no. But that is indeed being reconsidered. At the present time, unfortunately, the language in Title V specifically prohibits a degree in liberal studies unless it is for teacher preparation. So the language is something that we are still struggling with. And I think that we'll see some changes in the near future. Perhaps we should indeed have one, an option that allows students more of the flexibility that you're describing but that is still forthcoming.
>> Mr.--Oh, I'm sorry, Mr. Martin. Go ahead.
>> To let me follow up on this and I really appreciate that because it sounds like we have the same ideas here in mind. You know, I might suggest in an effort to do what I think we're all trying to do that we keep liberal arts and teacher preparation as the title with an understanding that many times we all have in many cases know the difference between paint and thinking back to the old facilities where, issue where we needed protective coating on our buildings, the state pays for protective coating, it doesn't pay for paint. What's the different between paint and protective coating, maybe you know 12 or 13 different letters on the can?
>> So maybe we could do something like that where we can follow the Title V, follow the guidelines as they are for in a moment but still have our counselors informed for those who aren't really sure that there is a generic option whereby, you know, you can play your options later. All that being said and I really think that's important that we keep that. I do think it's commendable that we do have this kind of focus because there are also many, many students coming who know they want to go into business or healthcare or whatever it is. And it'd be good for them to have that kind of guidance. So I'm very appreciative of the direction this is going but I just know too many college juniors and seniors that are swapping their majors to not be thoughtful of them.
>>Mr. Baum and then Dr. Sugimoto.
>> A couple of things, one is--I'm really glad we're doing this, well obviously it's mandated from the state. But--And once you're worried about the group of students are still undeclared. This is actually a step towards student's success. This is giving students a clear pathway as opposed to an undefined pathway for their leadership. And not only for students success, it's also helpful for the accountability of our college and the system because we can measure what we're trying to get people, we're all about awarding degrees. We're about providing instruction for students' success but we're also about setting goals and awarding degrees. And it will help us to be able to point more effectively to the degrees we award and to give to the students the pathway that we can. I didn't see Mathematics on this list, is there a reason that that's not the case?
>> The Mathematics--The faculty did consider that option and they decided that it would not be wise offer an AA degree in math on their experience in the field. They feel that math is properly a component of general education.
>> Yeah, that's [inaudible]. I'll be interested in having that dialogue. My other question is, one of the things we adopted the board of governors too is a definition also more clearly of the AA versus the AS. And I'm finding the fields under which an AS, these would ASs, are we implementing that?
>> Not yet, because we have not yet gotten the final version from the board of governors as to the new distinction between the AA and AS. So I'm still waiting for that.
>> That's interesting because we did--I was in a meeting where it was adopted and it said the natural scientist for example would be an AS. I mean, we specifically laid out which would be AAs versus ASs.
>> I'm still trying to get official word on that.
>> Dr. Bickley, I saw your hand.
>> Well I think Dr. Sugimoto was before me.
>> Oh, okay, go ahead Dr. Sugimoto.
>> It's hard to see--[inaudible]. So thank you for helping me keep track.
>> A couple of things, I think what I'd like to clarify and it's your, as articulation officer, so it's very important. We award degrees in these particular areas. And I thank you for letting us know the board of governors did go ahead and define the AA and AS. But students transfer and don't--they won't necessarily major in one of these areas, they can do that. They will take the lower division requirements and the general ed requirements for this CSU or UC transfer without having necessarily completed what would be the requirements into this "major category." So we have to keep that in mind. So it's not as soon as they get this degree, they're going to be transfer eligible because they may not be. So I think the Board needs to understand that. I think also, we've got Jeff here as the Board of Governors who really in terms of Title V is an important aspect of--and a component of what happens in Title V when the decision was made not to offer the transfer degree from our institutions, the concern was whether or not we would start to diminish the number of AAs that we award. Because students who do wanna transfer may not necessarily meet all the requirements for transfer, and we may say a decline and I'm saying this to you from a data and research position as we go along, we continue to look at arc measures and success measures. And if AA degree is one of those measures so they're awarding that, we may see a decline in the awarding of those degrees. That's a possibility.
>> Dr. Bickley?
>> I'd like to address Mr. Martin's concern. And it's a concern that many of the faculty share. It was I think 18 units we didn't choose that number but I think it's a fair number. Often times a student just to fulfill their GE pattern will have at least 9 units maybe 12 units in one area of the college that seemingly would fit under one of these degrees. We in psychology decided we did not want to offer an AA degree in psychology if we were going to ask students to take way beyond what is needed to transfer as a major in psychology. We offer a lot of courses but really there's only three that probably are required maybe one at another college or so. But three courses which probably, 5, 3 and 3, we're not talking about that many units, that's 11 units. So to ask students to take a lot of courses to major in psychology, when they might change majors once they get to a four-year institution, slow them down here is not desirable. So I know that Edward has worked very hard and his committee, worked very hard. They've gotten communications from the chancellor's office in his efforts. And we are trying to kind of balance that out. There are some--What is the highest level of the required units, do you know Edward in one of our majors?
>> Well some--I'm trying to remember but I think the highest was about 30 units and I don't remember which major that was. I think, perhaps it was music? Again the music faculty just felt that those with the courses that student needed in that particular field. But the vast majority of these majors are indeed 18 units.
>> So we are hoping that there won't be too many majors of that nature that might really hurt the student who's transferring and "Gee I'm going to be a psychology." And then they get there and they start learning, what they can make as living in psychology and they say, "I'm going over to business." So if we required way too many units that would be inappropriate and unfair to students.
>> Dr. Rey Castro?
>> Yeah, Dr. Bickley's point is well taken. I know--You know, in my discipline, political science, we wrestled with whether we should offer an AA as well. And that's exactly the same argument, why require all the additional courses when in fact they only need a certain amount of courses in order to transfer in addition to the general ed. When in fact they may get there and, you know, decide to change their major and they've taken these additional courses they don't need. So, you know, it's one of the beauties of the AA degree as a general degree is that it gives students the flexibility that John was talking about that students have coming from a community college. Once they get into the four-year setting, they're better able to move around and make a more specific decision after having sampled from various fields. What it is, they're actually gonna, you know, concentrate on. That said, let me go ahead and commend you for your work here, Ed. Having worked on curriculum, I know how really demanding this kind of work is. And this is just--you know, this is a remarkable that you even got it on one page in large font, okay. It's a remarkable step, okay, that shows that the curriculum here at PCC is not only keeping pace with the demands of the four-year system but that you've taken the necessary step into the future. This--I mean--PCC is not behind the eight ball here, we're ahead of it with this kind of preparation that's taking place. And this is going to ensure into the future that PCC is a leader and that's it's prepared and that its students are on the cutting edge going into the four-year setting. And so I really wanna commend you for your work here. This is remarkable.
>> Thank you.
>> Mr. Martin?
>> Just a follow up on Mr. Baum's mathematics question. And I appreciate the fact that more and more no matter what field you're going into, no matter what job, there's a lot more math demand behind it across the board. So I'm accepting your point but it's interesting that we just got the most recent observation and on page 149, when it gives us our enrollment by divisions, mathematics is actually the third largest division listed on that chart, in and off itself. So that's just something--there's obviously a lot of people that have some focus on Math here at the moment. So which is commendable.
>> Yeah.
>> If I could say something--
>> But I'm happy leaving that with you because you guys understand that.
>> Right. What the math faculty are doing is they are focusing now on developing new math courses that will fit into the GE portion of the AA degree and be more appropriate for students with various needs.
>> I just want to commend them on that because in my experience, again--because I happen--you know, I deal with a lot of these interns and there are a lot of college people. And when they're giving math examples and those math examples are things that they understand why am I learning this?
>> And you're answering the question why you're learning this because the examples are either based on health or statistics or business or whatever course they're going into, you're answering that question and giving them the motive why this is important. I don't wanna just pass class, I really wanna understand this. So I think that's really fantastic we're doing that.
>> Dr. Sugimoto and then our Student Trustee and then Dr. Jacobs.
>> This is my last comment for Ed. We are fortunate to have Ed who is also our articulation officer and understands the components of transfer and course articulation to be the lead on Title 5 implementation on all of these majors. So my appreciation to you and thank you for everything you're doing to make sure this is put together well.
>> Yes, Student Trustee and then Dr. Jacobs.
>> Yeah, I am. I think it's great that you guys do offer that we will be offering this especially for people who for example wanted, would like [inaudible] environmental studies, you know, it gives them, I guess it puts some more on the resume that they would have that. I think they are great however the--I think I have the same concern that Trustee Martin had. I guess so I guess my question would be, how did you guys take into account the fact that different universities they have different prerequisites for example psychology. And how does this take into account?
>> Literally we would just, we would look, we would rely on assist.org which is the official site for maintaining articulation information and we would take the broadest perspective possible. So for example for the degree in music for example, we make sure that the course is in that music degree or in the broadly requested by a variety of CSU-UC schools and we also took a look at some private schools to see if indeed they were requesting the same music courses.
>> Dr. Jacobs and Mr. Miller?
>> Mr. Thomson I'm sorry.
>> Okay.
>> Okay, I just want to say in terms of the number of units and everything, keep in mind that there is leeway in terms of the total trans number that you can transfer so with these majors, if you have 30 units and you can transfer 60 or 70 units then, the students can take other subjects so they can be rounded out. So it's not that, you know, you just take that number just for the particular program. Also I wanted to mention about the math we will continue to have more students in math because that is the requirement for the Associate Degree now and previously we had the English 1A and we were doing that all the time requiring that but now with the new requirements that you would have up to our pre algebra, the intermediate algebra which is our Algebra 131, then we will have many more students in the--that's why the basic skills is there to prepare them so they can get up to that intermediate algebra level and so that's why we would have many more as we come along.
>> Thank you Dr. Jacobs. Mr. Thomson?
>> Two comments. One is to probably state the obvious. There is nothing to prevent a student from taking more psychology courses if that's what that student believes she or he wants to pursue. I'm sure that consulting with Dr. [inaudible] their faculty members they would surely encourage that to happen. So I don't because there is no degree awarded I don't think that's necessarily a negative thing. The other thing I wanna make is a very positive comment. I'm delighted to see the insertion of all the language courses that are being offered now of course as in French and then the Associate Degree is in Chinese, French, German, Italian, Japanese, Russian, and Spanish I think that is spectacular. And it's good, it's an emphasis put back on some of the fundamental things that we used to find important years ago of learning a language other than our native language and certainly as the world economy and the world of business move more and more to the international level that's gonna be a requirement to--maybe not understand the language but should be able to speak the language, or at least understand the culture and you get that by studying the languages and I think it's marvelous that PCC is offering all these courses and all these degrees.
>> I'd like to make just one comment and then--I don't think we have a motion on this, do we?
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>> Then we need an approval but I'd like to comment. Actually, I remember when we put in the transfer degree and Dr. Castro recommended it and the reason why was our very best students, who did very well, did not have a degree form PCC because they took the transfer courses and they didn't want to have a major because they wanted to complete the transfer curriculum. And there was a feeling which I think was right and which I agree with and I think this is a step in the wrong that if you award a student a degree, they're much more apt to be more closely linked to you and be--to mention that they were a student here and put their degree on their resume. The thing that disturbs me about this is I came here from another state where they had a system where a community college degree was--if you got the AA, you automatically had junior status at any of the senior universities. That was Illinois. I think Florida has the same system and there were no such things as majors and you all took the same level of courses. It seems to me like this is a step away, actually making it harder for our students to transfer because if they do get to take the course to get the degree, they may not be taking the courses that they need to transfer and to me that is a matter of great concern plus Mr. Martin, before I retired about eight or nine years ago, research showed that most college students changed their major seven times and I'm sure if it was seven times 10 years ago, it may be 12 times now. So, locking students in at which if they were in a four-year college, it would be all--almost all general ed where they get this wide variety of courses and locking them into a major [inaudible]. As I said, I think it's a step in the wrong direction. So I hope, Mr. Baum, that the Board of Governors can look at this and can make--see if there's not some way of having a little flexibility because I think the very best students are--like what Martin described, sure, you were one of our very best students, Mr. Martin. They want to take that because they wanna get their courses and they wanna get through here and they wanna get their bachelor's degree and then wanna get whatever. I really am unhappy with this.
>> Mrs. Ligons?
>> I wonder if you'll allow me to shift gears over to CTE for just a moment because you have two items in this packet that are very exciting. One is the deletion of obsolete programs and I'd like to respectfully request that that word deletion be changed to inactive status because that's what Title Five requires and those programs can stay in that status until a faculty member either bring s them back with refreshed curriculum or after three years the state will drop those programs out of our inventory. So they really should be inactive and not deleted. And the importance of that is the faculty won't have to go through the entire process again to bring them back if they do so within that three-year period of time.
>> Dr. Sugimoto, is there any--do you have recommendations or any reason why we should not make that change from delete to inactive status?
>> Not at all. In fact, that is the requirement so I guess that's some opportunities if we need to revitalize a program to allow that to occur. So I would recommend that we go ahead and take the recommendation that Mrs. Ligons has provided.
>> Do we need a motion?
>> Yes, do we have--do I have a motion to approve these changes, these additions and deletions with the change of the--is it the career and technical--
>> All of those programs are CTE programs and they should--
>> The CTE programs be labeled inactive rather than delete.
>> So moved.
>> Is there a second?
>> Second.
>> All right, any further discussion, Student Trustee?
>> Wait a minute. I'm sorry, I thought you were through.
>> Well, you need to act on that but I wanted to talk about the anesthesiology program for a minute. If you approve this today, we will be the only college west of the Rockies to offer such a program and Kaiser Permanente has partnered with us. This is a very, very expensive program. We could never afford to buy the equipment and so they are allowing us to use their training facilities and operating rooms to present this program to our students. This is a very exciting thing for PCC and a great opportunity for us to strengthen out partnerships with Kaiser.
>> Thank you. I'm sorry. Now, are we ready to vote? I didn't realize you weren't finished, Mrs. Ligons. Student Trustee.
>> I think Dr. Rey Castro [inaudible].
>> Was there--oh Dr. Rey Castro.
>> I just want to clarify that the motion is to approve the additions and deletions to the credit and not in credit program as well as to change the language on the CTE credit program from deletion to inactive.
>> Move to inactive status, yes.
>> Is that the motion?
>> Yes.
>> Okay.
>> All right, any other questions on the motion? [Inaudible] my neck's getting sore from turning my head so many times but student trustee--
>> Aye.
>> Other trustees, all in favor, please say aye.
>> Aye.
>> Opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Next is periodic updates on Jacky Robinson baseball field. Mr. Baum, discussion for approval of staff timed with possible action?
>> Just a followup. I'm not going to be asking for the approval of staff time with possible action for periodic updates. My request was just--when I mentioned this at a previous Board meeting, the issue of the maintenance of Jackie Robinson field had been one for--that had been going on for several years and succeeding vice-presidents of administrative services had been involved with. We had a meeting with the city and the council member that oversees the area and I just wanted to ensure that there would be action out of that meeting so that we're properly monitoring it so that more years don't go by without a resolution to that issue. And so I'm not calling for a Board discussion on it but I will ask for it back on the Board if next year we haven't heard anything.
>> Dr. Sugimoto?
>> Thank you, Mr. Baum for the clarification. And I did ask whether or not we had an MOU and I know that Dr. Van Pelt has done some research on this so perhaps he can address this just very quickly for you so you know where we are.
>> Dean Beverly Tate did have a meeting with the various different users that I attended so that was [inaudible], Saint Francis and some others along with the city. As a result of that meeting, a list was developed of the shortcomings that need to be corrected. The city promised to come back and priced those out and there would be a subsequent meeting following that.
>> That's all right--I mean I just wanted to know that it was moving.
>> But wait, you started to say we never what?
>> We've never had an MOU with the city. It's always been done between PCC and the city and we've never paid rent either. So it's been a very casual program over many years that PCC has been using it, which I assume has been since the parking structure in number 4 started construction. So I think it's a process of formalizing the relationship between the different users because I think that the problem has got into the conflicts between the tournament and the use of the field and various different other users.
>> And that's all I wanted to--
>> That's all you want, okay. That's fine.
>> I will ask individually if there's a need to be follow up because I think that's within my, the area I represent as well.
>> It would sound to me like I don't want to be overly formal, but with liability issues, I'm really stunned that there was not any kind of an MOU on that, particularly and the shape I understand that field has been in for years.
>> I think you have to separate out the action of improving the field and just talking about what the problems are. My hunch or intuition tells me that if you're really gonna get something done to improve the condition of the field, the users of the field are very likely gonna have to participate in the cost of that effort, and that's where the MOU will come into it.
>> Okay, so you've added some direction here, Dr. Van Pelt. Okay, the next item is the selection of a college president. If you will look under item K, I think we can take draft off of these procedures. I think we've pretty well finished the procedures. I would like to ask if all the Board members have forwarded their recommendation for the screening committee to Mr. Engeldinger, I think they have, do they not, Dr. Sugimoto?
>> Dean Engeldinger have all the Board members, I think you have a document. Thank you. And I guess you might wanna address all the constituent group members too if you have that.
>> Yes, well the sure answer is we have yet to receive area three representative to the Board, your recommendation.
>> All right, that's, and any, but have we received--we've received it from others, right?
>> Yes.
>> And that's Dr. Rey Castro. And what about the constituent groups?
>> We have yet to receive the faculty representatives, the Classified Senate representatives' names and the Executive Committee representative. But I understand that's in the works we just have not heard from those groups.
>> Okay well, you know, we hope to appoint the committee, no you know actually I hope we can appoint November 2nd or maybe November 9th we need the names.
>> December.
>> I'm sorry December, December right, okay. The only other issue then that I think we need to address is the issue of round table. Yes Mr. Baum.
>> And I think if we're only missing a couple of names, we can--if we have to be able to act we can approve the ones that have been submitted and then like we have with others and then appoint the other individuals as they are nominated.
>> Right.
>> So that the board--the committee can start working.
>> We can approve them at the appropriate time Mr. Baum I just wanna try to get them in. The next item I think is the round table discussions and the issue here is if we're going to have round table discussions of any kind, if we wait until after our consultant is selected that will--the search for [inaudible] that will not be 'til December 9th which will be how many days before we go on Christmas break, one week?
>> The college closes on the 23rd but the last day of actual classes I believe is the 18th or 19th of December.
>> Okay, so it's about, it's about 10 days. Our other option would be to have kind of a round table to--well the first is do we feel that we need round table discussions? We've been having a lot of town hall meetings and listening sessions or would we wanna go ahead and maybe schedule a couple on campus with, before we select the consultant? I would hate for us to have to put everything on hold until February because people feel they haven't been heard. I would like some guidance here from the Board or at least some thoughts, Mr. Baum.
>> My focus for the board should be the selection of the search consultant and we should take care of that first and so I'm hoping we can do that on our December 2nd meeting [inaudible].
>> We can't do it 'til December the 9th.
>> Don't we have a meeting on the books for December 2nd?
>> Yes but I think we've discussed that we were going to look pay [inaudible] our newly elected to the board vote. Now we can change that if we want to and do the selection on December 2nd.
>> And so, so when--well okay, and the latest it would be December 9th and then once we've--my recommendation is then that consultant would advise us on the process going forward as well as--you know, select the consultant, we'd select the committee and then we decide how we wanna engage in any public feed back sessions.
>> Mr. Martin can I see your hand?
>> Well, my concern for urgency is only based on the best time to be out searching when there's be the best potential candidates in the pool, I mean I five hear one and criticism of our last search it was the total timing of the search and when we were out it was not the most conducive time of year. I certainly feel in capable hands, I'm not worried about the search being rushed except for that one component if there's a prime time to be out, I wanna be out in prime time. So without knowing what prime time for searching is, I don't really know how to address the urgency of voting on the 2nd or the 9th.
>> Mr. Engeldinger your field of expertise is human resources, do you have any suggestions on what are good times for searches for community college administrators?
>> I think one of the things that's driving it now is there are so many searches active now in most community colleges so I would suggest the sooner the we could get to it the better of for going today. I mean that sort of[ whispering ].
>> All right, so yes, so Dr. Rey Castro?
>> Yeah, I'd like to--I'd like some clarification on the actual selection of the search committee. My understanding and maybe we'll have to go back the audio or the minutes to confirm is that we were going to listen to the proposals and we are going to make a decision on the 2nd that the selection of the search committee members themselves would take place after that meeting and then it would include the 2 new trustees so that they would have representative--you know, in--on that committee. Those 2 positions would be determined by those 2 new trustees. But that the whole purpose of--I mean it doesn't make a lot of sense to have Trustee Wells-Miller and myself participate on the 2nd in screening out the search committees if in fact we're not going to vote to select. And then you go to a vote to select on the 9th when we're not gonna be present.
>> Right.
>> So we need a clarification on that.
>> Well, we can certainly do it however we want to, Mr. Baum.
>> That was my recollection. That's why we scheduled the meeting on the second so because of the urgency of getting that we could make a decision that. And because there was enough of a diverse group of consultants from which to choose and we would invite the perspective trustees to listen in but we would still be able to make that decision. That's my recollection as [inaudible]
>> Mr. Thomson.
>> I was gonna make the same comment, I mean they should certainly be here, be able to listen and I'm sure they can participate in the discussion.
>> Well, I haven't issued them an invitation, Dr. Bradbury-Huang and I did and they do plan on being here. And we will invite them to comment. I understood something differently but if that's the way the Board wants to go that's the way to go. Dr. Sugimoto.
>> I am reading the minutes very quickly from the last meeting and on page 4 it does indicate that on a motion that the board and the search committees would be listened to on the second. Dr. Mann said the selection of search room would take place on December 9th, the 2009 organizational meeting.
>> Well, I said that but we didn't vote on this so we can certainly change it if that's what people feel and this time I would like a motion.
>> I move that we meet on the second and declare our intention is to make a selection at the second of the search [inaudible].
>> Second.
>> Alright, is there any further discussion on that? We're ready to vote. Student Trustee?
>> Aye.
>> Other trustees, all in favor please say aye.
>> Aye.
>> Aye.
>> Opposed? Motion carries. Well that in a way resolves the issue I think of the round tables because we will have time to consult with the consultant.
>> And I wanna declare for the record and that this is not to prohibit or handicap the incoming trustees from their ability to participate in the process. It's more about what's in the best interest of the college moving forward.
>> Right.
>> Because we expect them to be actively engaged in the selection process of the new president.
>> Now, is it everyone's understanding that we are though going to delay appointing the screening committees until we have the recommendations from the incoming trustees so that they can be represented because they will be the one's working. Now if we had their recommendations I think it would be better for us to wait until the 9th before we act on those recommendations. But I'd be happy to be outvoted again. Yes, Mr. Baum.
>> My suggestion is that we appoint the committee members that have been nominated no later than the 9th and then if there are still vacancies that we will address them for that. I think this committee needs to be appointed no later than the 9th.
>> Mr. Thomson.
>> I guess I would differ a little bit on that. Can there be any reason why the Academic Senate, the Classified Senate or management or executive committee can not make a recommendation by the 9th of December?
>> I asked them to have recommendations by the 18th so maybe, maybe Mr. Martinez and Mr. Lindemann can answer on that.
>> From the Academic Senate we have one recommendation. We're still waiting on the second person.
>> But will we have two by the 9th of December.
>> Definitely, alright.
>> Classified Senate met today and [inaudible] forwarded two names up, they had to ratify.
>> Okay, so we just haven't received those. And we have the management association. Dr. Sugimoto do you know how the names are gonna come to us from the executive committee? Well, I think I'll place this on the agenda for us to discuss at our next Tuesday meeting so we will--we will bring those to you.
>> Right. Alright, now let me ask for some clarification now from the Board. I have not asked the incoming board members to send forward names but I have indicated to them that they will be making a recommendation because each trustee does. It didn't seem to me like we ever said that they always should be represented. Is there any reason why they couldn't send their names forward now?
>> As long as the election has been certified I can see no reason why they should not.
>> Elections will not be certified until the 23rd. So should I wait until after the 23rd?
>> I think that would be the cautious and prudent procedure.
>> Alright. Okay, I just want to make sure, does everyone understand after November 23rd and the election has been certified I will ask the trustees elect to send forward the name and if we could have it on December the 2nd, we could even do the appointment then but otherwise we'll do it on December 9th. Yes, Mrs. Wells-Miller?
>> Yes, I wanted to ask you if we have already submitted a name to serve on the screening committee and that person has agreed too, does that mean they're no longer on the committee or--
>> Well they were only recommended because all you did was submit a recommendation. And that I think we made very clear that the Board has to approve and make the appointment. So I think the answer would be that we would be accepting the recommendations from the trustees a lot. Does anyone have a different--yes Dr. Rey Castro?
>> I think it's appropriate that if in fact that the selection is set for the search committee members, the selection committee members, if it set for December 2nd, I think it's only appropriate that the two sitting trustees, nominees be considered because they are the two sitting trustees. If the election, if the nomination and appointment of that selection committee members is set for December 9th when the two new trustees take their seat, then I think it's appropriate that their nominees be considered. I think it would be inappropriate to consider the nominees of the two incoming trustees on December 2nd when you still have two trustees that are empowered to make their own recommendation.
>> I think that's accurate and so it's my understanding that we will not make the appointment of the committee members until December 9th. And at that time, we will ask everyone to have all of their recommendations in and if possible from the share governance group, by the 2nd because it's only a week later.
>> Okay so, do you need a motion?
>> I'd like a motion so we get it right.
>> I move that we make, we appoint the search committee on--the screening committee at our meeting on December 9th.
>> 2nd.
>> Right, is there any further discussion of this? Student Trustee vote?
>> Aye.
>> All the other trustees and all in favor please say aye.
>> Aye.
>> Opposed? Motion carries.
>> And just so for clarification, nobody is actually on this screening committee until the board actually votes and appoints--
>> I think we've been saying over and over again recommendations.
>> And we also will be as a Board selecting the chair of that committee, too. I think we made that--
>> Yes, that's true. Alright, next item is President's Report.
>> Yes, thank you Dr. Mann. I wanted to reiterate what Carol had said, our president of the veteran's group. On the evening of November 10th, this room was actually filled to capacity for a very moving program on women in the military. And they had a very stunning film called Lioness which followed the stories of women who were placed in combat situations and the impact that experience had on them and their families. They wanted to thank Patty D'Orange-Martin who was here earlier, one of our counselors and Lauren Arenson from our social science division who are very instrumental in putting that program together as well as Erica Liang, our Associate Students vice-president for student services. On Friday, November 13th, I was invited by the office of Assembly member Furutani from the 55th district to attend a press conference to begin coordinating the California Nissei college diploma program which is Assembly Bill 37. And I think you may have remembered a few years ago, we honored George Hayokawa [phonetic] with a diploma. Now it's been put into an assembly bill and the CSUs and community colleges have been authorized to provide honorary degrees. We have 123 potential individuals who were here during the interment of the Japanese Americans in the early of the Japanese Americans in the early 40's. And I wanted to make this announcement, I think Mr. Baum, you would like this. PCC is now blogging and Twittering. So we have a number of students and interested parties who are currently utilizing our blogs and Twitter capacity. And I think if one is still here, I just wanted to make that announcement. Last, our Lady Lancers basketball team won the Arcadia Hilton Garden tournament which was over our homecoming weekend. And congratulations again to Joe Peron and our Lady Lancers for that win. And that's the end of my report.
>> I think the meeting--well probably we'll be finishing the meeting very quickly but we are now just down to a quorum. Does anyone else can everyone else stay maybe 10 minutes because there is an action we need to take? If not, we'll do the action first.
>> Do it because I'm actually supposed to be someplace at 3:15.
>> Alright, the--I'd like to do then--is go down to future board meeting dates. We're scheduled to meet on December 2nd regular Board meeting. We will start at 5, the interviews are scheduled starting at 5, is that not correct Dr. Sugimoto?
>> Yes, that is correct.
>> But I want to make sure that we schedule a close session afterwards in case we need to. And the other thing that we need to act on, is Wednesday December 9th is our organizational meeting. And I think we have to act to declare it the organizational meeting or do we? So I need a motion to declare Wednesday, December 9th as our organizational meeting.
>> So move.
>> Second.
>> Okay, any discussion on that?
>> I'm obviously going to vote for both of those to make sure you get the majority you need but again, I still haven't been able to resolve my--I won't be here on the ninth at this point.
>> Alright, but by law we have to meet on the ninth. Okay, Student Trustee voting on these two items on the meetings.
>> Aye.
>> The rest of trustees all in favor please say Aye.
>> Aye.
>> Opposed, okay motion carries. The other thing we have is reports by share governance representatives and members of the Board, the Academic Senate?
>> I've just distributed to you a copy of the senate nano seconds. And I would just like to bring your attention to the second item on the educational policies committee. Two things, that committee has come forward with a recommendation on making some changes to our wait list policy. The recommendation is that we develop an unpaid wait list of 10 to 30% or more of a class size depending upon a--on a division's preference. And this is still in discussion. We are asking the faculty to share this idea with their division faculty and bring it forward for a vote to the Academic Senate in the very near future. And then we have, we are also still studying the issue of auditing and I believe that at the present time, we are generally in favor of adding a provision to permit auditing. And we'll be coming forward with policy changes in the near future.
>> Great, Mr. Lindemann?
>> Yes ma'am, the Classified Senate established an ad hoc committee of representatives from the Classified Senate issue CSCA-777 POA and confidential to address the selection for our recommendations for the presidential search screening committee. Committee reviewed the submissions from all interested parties and through consensus arrived with the two names that were brought forth to the board today. Those were sent to personnel.
>> Alright thank you, those were sent to Mr. Engeldinger?
>> Yes ma'am.
>> Yes, go ahead, I'm sorry.
>> We'd also like to thank Bob Miller and the MIG reps for setting up an educational 2020 focus group for the classified staff last Friday. Not many classified employees were able to get away from their post to attend but those that did attend participated in a very dynamic and meaningful conversation. Classified Senate will be sharing information gathered at that meeting with the rest of the classified employees who were not able to attend. On the statewide, we have Garry Potts, Linda Costa-Yamauchi, Debra Cantarero, Denise Albright at the PCC state Classified Senate representative to the community college league of California. They are all attending a conference in San Francisco because they're presenting and because lodging had been graciously provided by the local statewide reps in San Francisco, there's no registration or lodging cost to PCC.
>> Alright thank you. AS president?
>> I believe I gave a lot of reports today but just one last one. Our educational master plan vision 2020 for the students is on Friday at 12:30 in CC203. I'd like to invite the Trustees to come and take a look if they want to educate themselves on matters that students are most concerned about. And that would be all.
>> Okay, Student Trustee?
>> None.
>> Mr. Thomson?
>> Nothing.
>> I have nothing. Mr. Baum?
>> Just two things, one is I wanted to thank the Health Center for offering flu shots to the community, H1N1. I'm not in the priority group but my five year old daughter is. And I got in line at 6:30 in the morning to get a ticket for that day's clinic. And everything went very well and it's a wonderful service that the vaccine is made available to the community through PCC. And then that's it.
>> Mr. Martin?
>> No thank you.
>> Alright. The next item is future agenda items. Are there any future agenda items? Mr. Baum?
>> I request a presentation of the Board on the PCC's role with the Osher Challenge Grant. That is an important scholarship effort that will expire in 2011 that we need to be on top off. And the second thing is the budget presentation, the state--anticipating a 21 billion budget short fall and so we're going to need to keep on top of that.
>> I think we have scheduled, we're going to have a budget workshop in--okay, I would like to comment. We did receive a written report from Nancy Roberts, grant specialist. She sat here through this very long meeting. And what I would like to know is, does this satisfy people? Do they now want a presentation? Are they?
>> Where's the report?
>> It was sent to us with our board packet. But we can't really discuss it because it's not on the agenda. Dr. Sugimoto?
>> Perhaps what you may want to do is review this and when we come back for our next meeting, if you'd wish to have a fuller presentation we can put it on the agenda.
>> And if you board members let us know if you want to have a fuller presentation. But in the meantime, we're gonna review this. I read through it and I thought it was quite thorough but would you do that and--any other future agenda items? If not the meeting is adjourned.