Nodey write: Have you all noticed how automated Kevin's responses have become? He never answered my suggestion about giving back the option to let us see which words are allowed. This has been an issue since day one here. You'd think by now they would address it.

Hey Nodey, Youre not alone girl, I asked if bk would give some memberships as raffels at the va bk rally ---he danced around my questions and then never came back to those threads!! its a candy a$$ed way to handle bussiness. Yes or No would have been alot more respectable----hes lost my respect for sure.

Hello All,

You have brought up many suggestions. It is very hard for us solve the problems in one night. We focus on the most urgent and important problems. Hope you understand this.

ADDED TWO MONTHS FREE GOLD MEMBERSHIP FOR YOUR ACCOUNT. WE WILL DISCUSS ABOUT YOUR IDEAS.HOPE YOU CAN GIVE US MORE IDEAS.

Kevin Website Manager

Thank you for the free months Kevin, I just checked my subscription status and see they have been credited to my account.

I was actually kinda wondering if they'd be there. lol.

I'd suggest that B.K. concentrate on two issues as soon as possible.

1) the problems with the forum that we have been discussing, as this will facilitate communications between the members and ease quite a bit of the frustration that is being felt by us.
Note: I have noticed a longer then usual delay in the posts being put up during the last few days. I'd like to think this is because your staff is busy trying to address the communications issues and the concentration on this has resulted in a temporary longer delay in posts.
Is that the case?

2) I think you should contact two of the Gold Members as soon as possible.

~Suzananana~ .. who had been promised some free memberships By BikerKiss to be given out at a recent rally..

These Memberships were never delivered.

And ~Cut~ Cut is putting together another B.K. rally and has been having some problems with BikerKiss deleteing things off of his Rally thread and his Profile itself.

Both of these members ~Cut~ and ~Suzananana~ are going out of their way and helping to build a sense of community and spread the word about your site. Between the two of them they know very many BikerKiss members on a personal basis.. what they say carries a lot of weight with the members.

Biker Kiss has apparently failed to keep it's word to these two, and among Bikers.. if your words no good then your not trusted.

Bikerkiss needs to discuss this situation with both of them and rebuild the trust that they had in your service.

These folks shouldn't have to put up with that kinda crap, they deserve better.. why don't you and B.K. give them some answers and some help now.

A good place to start..
You asked about volunteer moderators earlier..
You could try making Cut a Moderator for the Rally threads he's got going, let the posts for those threads go through right away and see what happens..
It's worth a try, and would sure help him with the setup on his Rally.

kevin write: Have added one month free gold membership for your account. Hope you are satisfied with it.

PLease give us more consturctive suggestions. Sometimes, we'd be patient. You know we are trying to improve our website every day.We are collecting our members' comments and suggestions about our service.

It needs some time because of our working process.

Kevin Website Manager

Kitty gets her gold!! Hey Kevin.. you just made a friend for life.. or at least for a month... lol

Nodey write: Have you all noticed how automated Kevin's responses have become? He never answered my suggestion about giving back the option to let us see which words are allowed. This has been an issue since day one here. You'd think by now they would address it.

Hey Nodey, You
re not alone girl, I asked if bk would give some memberships as raffels at the va bk rally ---he danced around my questions and then never came back to those threads!! its a candy a$$ed way to handle bussiness. Yes or No would have been alot more respectable----he
s lost my respect for sure.

kevin write: Have added one month free gold membership for your account. Hope you are satisfied with it.

PLease give us more consturctive suggestions. Sometimes, we'd be patient. You know we are trying to improve our website every day.We are collecting our members' comments and suggestions about our service.

It needs some time because of our working process.

Kevin Website Manager

Kitty gets her gold!! Hey Kevin.. you just made a friend for life.. or at least for a month... lol

1) Profane, vulgar or porn messages. 2) Contact information (email, home phone/address, etc.). 3) Any URL regardless of the intent or content of the site. We should not allow such kind of messages.

Kevin Website Manager

O.K.... How about this..

How about invite some volunteer moderators? We can even offer free gold membership or money for this.

volunteer moderators? Fantastic Idea Kevin, I'll even tell you how to pick them.. you keep track of how many posts members make in the forums.. Contact the ten most active members on the site.. ask them if they'd be willing to do, what they are already doing anyway.. Read and stay active in the forums, and see if they'd be willing to flag any messages that they don't consider to be appropriate.

This would be perfect as these are the people who use the service the most, they are the ones it should be tailored to, they know whats acceptable and whats not for this community better then anyone else does.

1 How to let moderators approve our memssages timely?

1)For the timely messages issue, I'd suggest you just let all posts from Chrome members show up immediately (You ought to take softails advice on the Chrome vs. Gold issue).. Let non-paying visitors posts be held for review by the moderators. (Just add an index field to your member database, that when active allows that members posts to go through at once)

2 How to keep the forum messages' quality?

2) let a few volunteer moderators have the ability to replace a post with a notice, something like one of the other peeps suggested.. (Replace the text in question with a ~pending approval flag~).. B.K. could then review it for approval. You also leave in place the report abuse link at the bottom of each post so you have yet another level of review. And finally do like many sites do, if you have a paying member who keeps getting messages flagged for approval.. Then switch them back to having all of their posts reviewed before posting. (Remove the activating value from the index field in that members records in your database).

IMPORTANT KEVIN: There should NEVER be any indication on the site as to how a post was selected for review.. In other words do not make targets out of your moderators.. When a post is flagged for review by B.K., wether by a moderator or someone else who uses the report abuse link.. The flag that replaces the post should simply state the post is currently under review. IT MUST NOT SAY WHO SELECTED IT FOR REVIEW.

The vast majority of posts do not contain anything that presents an issue. Those that do would be caught quickly using this process. This would allow for a much smoother flow of communication in the forums.

1) Profane, vulgar or porn messages. 2) Contact information (email, home phone/address, etc.). 3) Any URL regardless of the intent or content of the site. We should not allow such kind of messages.

1) Profane, vulgar or porn messages.

This is a ~Biker~ site Kevin, anyone coming into this site should realize that our ideas of what is Vulgar, Profane or Porn messages are going to be a bit different then the ~normals~ out there.

You really need to add a disclaimer to the forums link on your front page and your membership agreements. (Disclaimer should state that while you make every attempt to keep the site clean, the possibility of offensive material does exist. Make them state that they are over 18 and aware of this possibility BEFORE they can view the forum or accept membership.) Using the procedures listed above you will find the messages soon meet the ~Chrome~ members version of acceptability. After all we are the ones that are pulling out our credit cards and paying for the service.. That means that... and pay attention to this.. I'll even highlight it for you.. You can take it to the morning meeting and show it to your bosses..

The only version of acceptability.. The only peoples opinions of what is Vulgar, Profane or Porn that counts for B..K.

HAD BETTER BE OURS!

Otherwise we will take our toys (credit cards) and go play in somebody elses sandbox.

2) Contact information (email, home phone/address, etc.).

I am with you on that.. Buy a membership ya cheap bums. If you can not afford to spring for even a one month membership, shes not gonna want to waste her time with you anyway. Get a job, earn some green, bring it here.. buy a membership.. and then maybe you'll be worth the ladies time.

3) Any URL regardless of the intent or content of the site. We should not allow such kind of messages.

On this I disagree.. Some URLs should be allowed. There are going to be cases where the URL links to pages that are needed for the members here, things like motorcycle legislation that is upcoming, safety information ect. The volunteer moderators can flag any URLs that get posted for review, and B.K itself can do the review for final approval.

Keep up the good work..

Man this was long winded even for me..lol.

Tom

Hello MilBrat63,

ADDED TWO MONTHS FREE GOLD MEMBERSHIP FOR YOUR ACCOUNT. WE WILL DISCUSS ABOUT YOUR IDEAS.HOPE YOU CAN GIVE US MORE IDEAS.

1) Profane, vulgar or porn messages. 2) Contact information (email, home phone/address, etc.). 3) Any URL regardless of the intent or content of the site. We should not allow such kind of messages.

Kevin Website Manager

O.K.... How about this..

How about invite some volunteer moderators? We can even offer free gold membership or money for this.

volunteer moderators?
Fantastic Idea Kevin,
I'll even tell you how to pick them.. you keep track of how many posts members make in the forums..
Contact the ten most active members on the site.. ask them if they'd be willing to do, what they are already doing anyway..
Read and stay active in the forums, and see if they'd be willing to flag any messages that they don't consider to be appropriate.

This would be perfect as these are the people who use the service the most, they are the ones it should be tailored to, they know whats acceptable and whats not for this community better then anyone else does.

1 How to let moderators approve our memssages timely?

1)For the timely messages issue, I'd suggest you just let all posts from Chrome members show up immediately (You ought to take softails advice on the Chrome vs. Gold issue).. Let non-paying visitors posts be held for review by the moderators.
(Just add an index field to your member database, that when active allows that members posts to go through at once)

2 How to keep the forum messages' quality?

2) let a few volunteer moderators have the ability to replace a post with a notice, something like one of the other peeps suggested.. (Replace the text in question with a ~pending approval flag~).. B.K. could then review it for approval.
You also leave in place the report abuse link at the bottom of each post so you have yet another level of review.
And finally do like many sites do, if you have a paying member who keeps getting messages flagged for approval.. Then switch them back to having all of their posts reviewed before posting. (Remove the activating value from the index field in that members records in your database).

IMPORTANT KEVIN: There should NEVER be any indication on the site as to how a post was selected for review.. In other words do not make targets out of your moderators..
When a post is flagged for review by B.K., wether by a moderator or someone else who uses the report abuse link.. The flag that replaces the post should simply state the post is currently under review.
IT MUST NOT SAY WHO SELECTED IT FOR REVIEW.

The vast majority of posts do not contain anything that presents an issue. Those that do would be caught quickly using this process.
This would allow for a much smoother flow of communication in the forums.

1) Profane, vulgar or porn messages. 2) Contact information (email, home phone/address, etc.). 3) Any URL regardless of the intent or content of the site. We should not allow such kind of messages.

1) Profane, vulgar or porn messages.

This is a ~Biker~ site Kevin, anyone coming into this site should realize that our ideas of what is Vulgar, Profane or Porn messages are going to be a bit different then the ~normals~ out there.

You really need to add a disclaimer to the forums link on your front page and your membership agreements.
(Disclaimer should state that while you make every attempt to keep the site clean, the possibility of offensive material does exist. Make them state that they are over 18 and aware of this possibility BEFORE they can view the forum or accept membership.)
Using the procedures listed above you will find the messages soon meet the ~Chrome~ members version of acceptability.
After all we are the ones that are pulling out our credit cards and paying for the service.. That means that... and pay attention to this..
I'll even highlight it for you..
You can take it to the morning meeting and show it to your bosses..

The only version of acceptability.. The only peoples opinions of what is Vulgar, Profane or Porn that counts for B..K.

HAD BETTER BE OURS!

Otherwise we will take our toys (credit cards) and go play in somebody elses sandbox.

2) Contact information (email, home phone/address, etc.).

I am with you on that..
Buy a membership ya cheap bums. If you can not afford to spring for even a one month membership, shes not gonna want to waste her time with you anyway.
Get a job, earn some green, bring it here.. buy a membership.. and then maybe you'll be worth the ladies time.

3) Any URL regardless of the intent or content of the site. We should not allow such kind of messages.

On this I disagree..
Some URLs should be allowed.
There are going to be cases where the URL links to pages that are needed for the members here, things like motorcycle legislation that is upcoming, safety information ect.
The volunteer moderators can flag any URLs that get posted for review, and B.K itself can do the review for final approval.

kevin write: Have added one month free gold membership for your account. Hope you are satisfied with it.

PLease give us more consturctive suggestions. Sometimes, we'd be patient. You know we are trying to improve our website every day.We are collecting our members' comments and suggestions about our service.

It needs some time because of our working process.

Kevin Website Manager

Kitty gets her gold!!
Hey Kevin.. you just made a friend for life.. or at least for a month... lol

Badbikerkitty write: Well I suggested the chat room while ago and I didnt get a free gold membership....as matter of fact I dont know one person who has ever gotten free membership from these people!!!Even when they give few away people never get them....grrrrrr

here, here kitty..

hehehe

lmao....whats up there softy? do YOU have any suggestions?

Ya know someone now...

Ummmm nope not yet lmao. who owns this site anyways?Does anyone know?Kevin please tell us...and btw who the heck are you anyways kevin? Paid employee or volunteer?lmfao

Have added one month free gold membership for your account. Hope you are satisfied with it.

PLease give us more consturctive suggestions. Sometimes, we'd be patient. You know we are trying to improve our website every day.We are collecting our members' comments and suggestions about our service.

Badbikerkitty write: wow I got a response from someone?Kevin I have another idea....post a pic hun....lmao. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Actually BBK , Kevin has a pic posted in the new format example.. But I don't think he's what you are expecting..

http://www.bikerkiss.com/new/profile.htm

That is not my photo.

Just joshing you Kevin... Admit it Kevin.. even though much of what your getting in here is gripes from folks..your starting to enjoy using the forums aren't you? It's kind of addictive isn't it..? Now just think how much more fun it will be for you when there is instant posting! LOL!!

Ohh and BTW Kevin.. Thanks for trying to fix things..!

I've been here less then a month and 1 month is all I'd paid for.. I was going to let the membership cancel because of the problems with waiting on posts to show up in the forums and the high level of censorship on the site.

Now that I see you in here, and see your trying to find solutions to the problems.. I think I'll stay..

Badbikerkitty write: wow I got a response from someone?Kevin I have another idea....post a pic hun....lmao. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Actually BBK , Kevin has a pic posted in the new format example.. But I don't think he's what you are expecting..

http://www.bikerkiss.com/new/profile.htm

That is not my photo.

Just joshing you Kevin... Admit it Kevin.. even though much of what your getting in here is gripes from folks..your starting to enjoy using the forums aren't you? It's kind of addictive isn't it..? Now just think how much more fun it will be for you when there is instant posting! LOL!!

Ohh and BTW Kevin.. Thanks for trying to fix things..!

I've been here less then a month and 1 month is all I'd paid for.. I was going to let the membership cancel because of the problems with waiting on posts to show up in the forums and the high level of censorship on the site.

Now that I see you in here, and see your trying to find solutions to the problems.. I think I'll stay..

Badbikerkitty write: wow I got a response from someone?Kevin I have another idea....post a pic hun....lmao. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Actually BBK , Kevin has a pic posted in the new format example.. But I don't think he's what you are expecting..

http://www.bikerkiss.com/new/profile.htm

That is not my photo.

Just joshing you Kevin...
Admit it Kevin.. even though much of what your getting in here is gripes from folks..your starting to enjoy using the forums aren't you?
It's kind of addictive isn't it..?
Now just think how much more fun it will be for you when there is instant posting! LOL!!

Ohh and BTW Kevin.. Thanks for trying to fix things..!

I've been here less then a month and 1 month is all I'd paid for..
I was going to let the membership cancel because of the problems with waiting on posts to show up in the forums and the high level of censorship on the site.

Now that I see you in here, and see your trying to find solutions to the problems.. I think I'll stay..

Badbikerkitty write: Well I suggested the chat room while ago and I didnt get a free gold membership....as matter of fact I dont know one person who has ever gotten free membership from these people!!!Even when they give few away people never get them....grrrrrr

here, here kitty..

hehehe

lmao....whats up there softy? do YOU have any suggestions?

Ya know someone now...

Ummmm nope not yet lmao. who owns this site anyways?Does anyone know?Kevin please tell us...and btw who the heck are you anyways kevin? Paid employee or volunteer?lmfao

Have you all noticed how automated Kevin's responses have become?
He never answered my suggestion about giving back the option to let us see which words are allowed. This has been an issue since day one here. You'd think by now they would address it.

KinMonmouth write: When you add new features, make sure they work. The new blogs are ok, however I checked a few this morning and they have all been cleared. No comment history available on many that had plenty of history. Get your acts together BK. This is why so many people have given up membership. If you want us to pay for a service..YOU need to provide that service, CONSISTENTLY.

lawgirl write: Badbikerkitty - I too suggeste a "real time" chat room so or a forum in which "small groups" could have conferences and have had no response on that suggestion. For the most part - however - I have gotten return emails pretty quickly when I have made suggestions.

Badbikerkitty write: wow I got a response from someone?Kevin I have another idea....post a pic hun....lmao.No but for real I think a automatic search box added to have a search thats got the people within 50 or 100 miles from me but having the most current members on there first .I have to search through many many people and also have the preferred members first too. Oh and how about a featured member each week too one guy one girl...huh?This outta get me 3 free months!!!

Actually BBK , Kevin has a pic posted in the new format example.. But I don't think he's what you are expecting..

Nodey write: And while I'm here,how about giving us back the option to see what words you all consider "offensive" so we can substitute for something you deem more "age appropriate".That way at least our posts will be posted instead of thrown in the trash.

You know those obscene words such as: B AR C OMING P HONE

I mean,we would NEVER utter such words in church or in front of our children.I can see why you folks are so offended by them.