You know what scares me about tent city? People live in AZ and commit crimes KNOWING tent city exists.

Personally, I would have thought having a 'tent city' would be a deterrent to committing crimes in AZ. Obviously, there are an excessive amount of stupid criminals (redundancy intended) living in AZ. If I ever had to live in tent city, then got out, I would make DAMN sure I would commit crimes in some other state.

It seems like he will never leave his position unless he dies. But it seems like the majority of voters in that area want him as Sheriff, so I don't see what the problem is. Are many of those protesters actually registered to vote? I can't understand why one of the most controversial officials in the U.S. hasn't been voted out yet.

I work for a different Arizona law enforcement agency and beleive that Arpiao is wrong most of the time and that he is too old to remain sheriff, but tent city is one of his good ideas that actually works. The tents are no different that those our service men and women live in in Afghanistan. During the day, the inmates can go into the air conditioned day room. Jail is not supposed to be fun.

diaphoresis:You know what scares me about tent city? People live in AZ and commit crimes KNOWING tent city exists.

Personally, I would have thought having a 'tent city' would be a deterrent to committing crimes in AZ. Obviously, there are an excessive amount of stupid criminals (redundancy intended) living in AZ. If I ever had to live in tent city, then got out, I would make DAMN sure I would commit crimes in some other state.

Why, it's almost like preventing crime is more complicated than dreaming up draconian punishments!

diaphoresis:You know what scares me about tent city? People live in AZ and commit crimes KNOWING tent city exists.

Personally, I would have thought having a 'tent city' would be a deterrent to committing crimes in AZ. Obviously, there are an excessive amount of stupid criminals (redundancy intended) living in AZ. If I ever had to live in tent city, then got out, I would make DAMN sure I would commit crimes in some other state.

Many of the people living in the "tent city" have been convicted of no crime.

"We are with you," protesters chanted in both English and Spanish, in hopes that inmates could hear them."Until we get tired and go back to our air-conditioned homes to have a nice dinner and sleep in a real bed." Not quite chant material.

Organizers say conditions at "Tent City" complex are inhumane. The sheriff has said he doesn't see any problems with housing inmates in tents and often points out that some members of the U.S. military live in tents.

Not for any long term housing the military doesn't.

And issues of whether this is inhumane aside, I think the bigger issue I think would be security. How do you separate and protect prisoners from each other when all you are working with tent flaps? At the very least, I would think having walls would mean needing fewer staff.

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So basically the protesters just caused the inmates to lose visitation privileges for the day. Well done protesters, well done.

So, what are they protesting exactly, free elections? Remember kids it's easier to be a slacktivist protester than to work within a system to hold a meaningful discourse about issues and come up with a feasible plan for change. Protest on Slacktivists!

diaphoresis:You know what scares me about tent city? People live in AZ and commit crimes KNOWING tent city exists.

Actually they are thinking "Well if Joe can commit crimes and the people love him, they will love me to!" They forget that they are not some senile white guy with a gun , badge, and a haterd for the Constitution going "It's them messsicans!"

i know at least two people at the protest and i'm bet money my sister is there. she's the kind of person -- i said this yesterday to the people going -- who will stand in front of cops and flips them off, then biatch about getting arrested.

she's taken on this militant / civil disobedience type personality at an odd stage in her life.

Lost Thought 00:diaphoresis: You know what scares me about tent city? People live in AZ and commit crimes KNOWING tent city exists.

Personally, I would have thought having a 'tent city' would be a deterrent to committing crimes in AZ. Obviously, there are an excessive amount of stupid criminals (redundancy intended) living in AZ. If I ever had to live in tent city, then got out, I would make DAMN sure I would commit crimes in some other state.

Many of the people living in the "tent city" have been convicted of no crime.

As I understand the tent city, it's only volunteers serving sentences who are there. Anyone held because they can't make bail isn't in tent city. Anyone elderly or with medical issues isn't in tent city.

diaphoresis:You know what scares me about tent city? People live in AZ and commit crimes KNOWING tent city exists.

Personally, I would have thought having a 'tent city' would be a deterrent to committing crimes in AZ. Obviously, there are an excessive amount of stupid criminals (redundancy intended) living in AZ. If I ever had to live in tent city, then got out, I would make DAMN sure I would commit crimes in some other state.

Ron White - "you cain't fix stupid."

or

Obama-ites and The Kingdom of The Concrete Skull

Either way, the road to hell is paved with good intentions and Hell itself is paved with Do-Gooders.

I have huge problems with Sheriff Joe. Hes my sheriff, and i get to vote against him.. which i do. Count me in the anyone but Joe camp.. but my problems with him aren't with how he runs the jail. Im totally fine with the tents, the pink undies, the baloney sandwiches.. all thats fine. I think its not much more than theater, but its fine. My problem with Sheriff Joe is that hes an attention whore who spends more time concocting ways to get on TV than he does doing his job. We don't need a celebrity sheriff. Also, hes completely corrupt, he uses county resources to go after political opponents, and its not even subtle he does it right out in the open, cause he knows he has the vote of all the blue hairs and old dudes. Ill be happy the day he kicks the bucket.. cant be too far away now.. hes what? 80? and that seems to be the only way we will get rid of him.

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SmartestFunniest 2012-06-24 12:41:15 PM i know at least two people at the protest and i'm bet money my sister is there. she's the kind of person -- i said this yesterday to the people going -- who will stand in front of cops and flips them off, then biatch about getting arrested.

she's taken on this militant / civil disobedience type personality at an odd stage in her life.

*sigh*

31,000 unserved felony arrest warrants in maricopa county and....

Sheriff Joe raids a brake repair company to arrest six undocumented / illegals31,000 unserved felony arrest warrants in maricopa county and sheriff joe will raid a freaking

Lets us not forget the over 400 SEX CRIMES HE WILLINGLY DID NOT HAVE INVESTIGATED!

skinink:It seems like he will never leave his position unless he dies. But it seems like the majority of voters in that area want him as Sheriff, so I don't see what the problem is. Are many of those protesters actually registered to vote? I can't understand why one of the most controversial officials in the U.S. hasn't been voted out yet.

You've answered your own question there. Majority of voters, how does it work?

LikeALeafOnTheWind:I have huge problems with Sheriff Joe. Hes my sheriff, and i get to vote against him.. which i do. Count me in the anyone but Joe camp.. but my problems with him aren't with how he runs the jail. Im totally fine with the tents, the pink undies, the baloney sandwiches.. all thats fine. I think its not much more than theater, but its fine. My problem with Sheriff Joe is that hes an attention whore who spends more time concocting ways to get on TV than he does doing his job. We don't need a celebrity sheriff. Also, hes completely corrupt, he uses county resources to go after political opponents, and its not even subtle he does it right out in the open, cause he knows he has the vote of all the blue hairs and old dudes. Ill be happy the day he kicks the bucket.. cant be too far away now.. hes what? 80? and that seems to be the only way we will get rid of him.

If you change "Sheriff Joe" to "Obama" and "blue hairs and old dudes" to "naive youngsters", you'd expand your argument to the national level.

If you think Joe Arpaio is corrupt, just look into the US Senate seat held by Barry Goldwater and John McCain. Do the words "Mafia...murder...convicted felon owning a liquor distributorship...Don Bolles...Joe Bonano...Kemper Marley...dog racing..." mean anything to you?

Everyone...EVERYONE...in Arizona politics is dirty but there is dirty and then there is stink so bad that upwind only means the big chunks of shiat miss you.

SmartestFunniest 2012-06-24 12:41:15 PM i know at least two people at the protest and i'm bet money my sister is there. she's the kind of person -- i said this yesterday to the people going -- who will stand in front of cops and flips them off, then biatch about getting arrested.

she's taken on this militant / civil disobedience type personality at an odd stage in her life.

*sigh*

31,000 unserved felony arrest warrants in maricopa county and....

Sheriff Joe raids a brake repair company to arrest six undocumented / illegals31,000 unserved felony arrest warrants in maricopa county and sheriff joe will raid a freaking

Lets us not forget the over 400 SEX CRIMES HE WILLINGLY DID NOT HAVE INVESTIGATED!

There's no time to investigate sex crimes when a Waffle House might be hiring illegal immigrants to wash dishes.

RibbyK:LikeALeafOnTheWind: I have huge problems with Sheriff Joe. Hes my sheriff, and i get to vote against him.. which i do. Count me in the anyone but Joe camp.. but my problems with him aren't with how he runs the jail. Im totally fine with the tents, the pink undies, the baloney sandwiches.. all thats fine. I think its not much more than theater, but its fine. My problem with Sheriff Joe is that hes an attention whore who spends more time concocting ways to get on TV than he does doing his job. We don't need a celebrity sheriff. Also, hes completely corrupt, he uses county resources to go after political opponents, and its not even subtle he does it right out in the open, cause he knows he has the vote of all the blue hairs and old dudes. Ill be happy the day he kicks the bucket.. cant be too far away now.. hes what? 80? and that seems to be the only way we will get rid of him.

If you change "Sheriff Joe" to "Obama" and "blue hairs and old dudes" to "naive youngsters", you'd expand your argument to the national level.

maggoo:diaphoresis: You know what scares me about tent city? People live in AZ and commit crimes KNOWING tent city exists.

People commit crimes in spite of the death penalty. How come it is a reasonable idea to expect that living in a tent is supposed to be an effective crime deterrent when death isn't?

One thing to keep in mind is that 'deter' doesn't mean 'eliminate'. Without some extensive study and investigation you have no idea how many crimes didn't happen because there are tents in the desert, just as you don't know how many people weren't murdered because there's a death penalty.

skinink:It seems like he will never leave his position unless he dies. But it seems like the majority of voters in that area want him as Sheriff, so I don't see what the problem is. Are many of those protesters actually registered to vote? I can't understand why one of the most controversial officials in the U.S. hasn't been voted out yet.

You're right, he will retain his position until he dies or is killed. Most people (even in Phoenix) don't go to jail and most aren't immigrants, so you have scores of people who just shrug and say, "He says what he thinks."No he doesn't. He says what will continue to get him elected.He also jails journalists without cause, uses resources to harass political opponents, sends his buddies to suites on Coronado island for "training", zip-ties mexicans without cause, fails to investigate hundreds of reported sexual abuse cases in areas he won't win, and grandstands on a platform of cruelty disguised as machismo.I could point specifics to my co-worker all day and when it comes time to vote, he will still choose that dip-stick because it doesn't effect him. And, "Well he says what he thinks."He won't refute a single thing and put a check by his name.Sheriff Joke will continue until the day he dies, because most people are not outwardly effected by his lunacy and he provides the comfort of a sticky electric blanket.Hooray, complacency.

RibbyK:skinink: It seems like he will never leave his position unless he dies. But it seems like the majority of voters in that area want him as Sheriff, so I don't see what the problem is. Are many of those protesters actually registered to vote? I can't understand why one of the most controversial officials in the U.S. hasn't been voted out yet.

You've answered your own question there. Majority of voters, how does it work?

it works a little weird when a majority of that majority dont even live in the area for most of the year. A lot of Arpaio supporters only live here Nov to March.

RibbyK:LikeALeafOnTheWind: I have huge problems with Sheriff Joe. Hes my sheriff, and i get to vote against him.. which i do. Count me in the anyone but Joe camp.. but my problems with him aren't with how he runs the jail. Im totally fine with the tents, the pink undies, the baloney sandwiches.. all thats fine. I think its not much more than theater, but its fine. My problem with Sheriff Joe is that hes an attention whore who spends more time concocting ways to get on TV than he does doing his job. We don't need a celebrity sheriff. Also, hes completely corrupt, he uses county resources to go after political opponents, and its not even subtle he does it right out in the open, cause he knows he has the vote of all the blue hairs and old dudes. Ill be happy the day he kicks the bucket.. cant be too far away now.. hes what? 80? and that seems to be the only way we will get rid of him.

If you change "Sheriff Joe" to "Obama" and "blue hairs and old dudes" to "naive youngsters", you'd expand your argument to the national level.

diaphoresis:You know what scares me about tent city? People live in AZ and commit crimes KNOWING tent city exists.

Personally, I would have thought having a 'tent city' would be a deterrent to committing crimes in AZ. Obviously, there are an excessive amount of stupid criminals (redundancy intended) living in AZ. If I ever had to live in tent city, then got out, I would make DAMN sure I would commit crimes in some other state.

Hmmmmmm...The term "jail" actually means a place where folks convicted of misdemeanors are warehoused, but it is also a place for folks awaiting trial.

Let's have a laugh and suppose for a second that Joe really believes in the phrase "innocent until proven guilty". He is, after all, practically a super-hero when it comes to making sure Obama's qualifications are constitutionally valid. Why would he put innocent people in a tent city in AZ in the summer?

Psychomancer:I work for a different Arizona law enforcement agency and beleive that Arpiao is wrong most of the time and that he is too old to remain sheriff, but tent city is one of his good ideas that actually works. The tents are no different that those our service men and women live in in Afghanistan. During the day, the inmates can go into the air conditioned day room. Jail is not supposed to be fun.

Since you work in law enforcement, I suppose I don't need to remind you that the majority of jail inmates have yet to be convicted of a crime and that some are still awaiting their initial court appearance.

I agree jail isn't supposed to be fun, but Arpiao is mistreating inmates.

jjorsett:maggoo: diaphoresis: You know what scares me about tent city? People live in AZ and commit crimes KNOWING tent city exists.

People commit crimes in spite of the death penalty. How come it is a reasonable idea to expect that living in a tent is supposed to be an effective crime deterrent when death isn't?

One thing to keep in mind is that 'deter' doesn't mean 'eliminate'. Without some extensive study and investigation you have no idea how many crimes didn't happen because there are tents in the desert, just as you don't know how many people weren't murdered because there's a death penalty.

ast Friday, six months after Atencio was buried with full military honors, the Maricopa County medical examiner released an unusual autopsy report that paints a horrifying picture of his last hours.

Atencio's cause of death was tied to "complications of cardiac arrest" due to "acute psychosis, law enforcement subdual and multiple medical problems," wrote the medical examiner, Mark Fischione. The medical examiner didn't specify whether Atencio died of natural causes or was killed by the officers.

Atencio is at least the 12th inmate to die under strange circumstances in the Maricopa County jail system. (The Phoenix New Times lists 11 other such cases here.) And listing "law enforcement subdual" as one cause of death, according to former Maricopa County chief prosecutor Rick Romley, is particularly unusual because it could implicate law enforcement in Atencio's death.

The former soldier's allegedly rough treatment by officers at Arpaio's infamous Fourth Avenue jail in Phoenix was caught on routine jail video tape. By then, Atencio had been in police custody for over four hours and had been showing signs of "acute psychosis," the medical examiner reports. The video appears to show burly officers from Phoenix and Maricopa County piling on Atencio, apparently after he said something, though exactly what remains unclear because jail cameras don't record audio.

and of course, the families inevitably sue, and the cases are as far as i can tell, ALWAYS RESOLVED VIA SETTLEMENT TO AVOID TRIAL.

LikeALeafOnTheWind:RibbyK: skinink: It seems like he will never leave his position unless he dies. But it seems like the majority of voters in that area want him as Sheriff, so I don't see what the problem is. Are many of those protesters actually registered to vote? I can't understand why one of the most controversial officials in the U.S. hasn't been voted out yet.

You've answered your own question there. Majority of voters, how does it work?it works a little weird when a majority of that majority dont even live in the area for most of the year. A lot of Arpaio supporters only live here Nov to March.

Yet you can be assured they claim AZ as their year round residence for tax purposes! This sort of thing isn't unique to AZ and Maricopa Co either. Every place that I've been to that has a Sun City type retirement community has local non-retired people complaining about the retirees voting as a block in "fark you got mine" fashion on everything.

Bathia_Mapes:Psychomancer: I work for a different Arizona law enforcement agency and beleive that Arpiao is wrong most of the time and that he is too old to remain sheriff, but tent city is one of his good ideas that actually works. The tents are no different that those our service men and women live in in Afghanistan. During the day, the inmates can go into the air conditioned day room. Jail is not supposed to be fun.

Since you work in law enforcement, I suppose I don't need to remind you that the majority of jail inmates have yet to be convicted of a crime and that some are still awaiting their initial court appearance.

I agree jail isn't supposed to be fun, but Arpiao is mistreating inmates.

The pre-trail/pre-sentence inmates aren't housed in the tents, so your point is kind of invalid. And your belief that most of the jailed inmates are pre-trail or pre-sentence is also wrong.

Turbo Cojones:diaphoresis: You know what scares me about tent city? People live in AZ and commit crimes KNOWING tent city exists.

Personally, I would have thought having a 'tent city' would be a deterrent to committing crimes in AZ. Obviously, there are an excessive amount of stupid criminals (redundancy intended) living in AZ. If I ever had to live in tent city, then got out, I would make DAMN sure I would commit crimes in some other state.

Hmmmmmm...The term "jail" actually means a place where folks convicted of misdemeanors are warehoused, but it is also a place for folks awaiting trial.

Let's have a laugh and suppose for a second that Joe really believes in the phrase "innocent until proven guilty". He is, after all, practically a super-hero when it comes to making sure Obama's qualifications are constitutionally valid. Why would he put innocent people in a tent city in AZ in the summer?

REAL criminals get A/C.

See my above comment. There are no non-convicted people in the tents.

Also, felons often serve jail terms as part of their probation grants.

On the one hand, I don't really care if prisoners live in tents or wear pink underwear. It's not inhumane.On the other hand, "Sheriff Joe" seems to be a control-freak douchebag.I need someone intelligent and unbiased to sort this out for me.

A. Snatchfold:RibbyK: LikeALeafOnTheWind: I have huge problems with Sheriff Joe. Hes my sheriff, and i get to vote against him.. which i do. Count me in the anyone but Joe camp.. but my problems with him aren't with how he runs the jail. Im totally fine with the tents, the pink undies, the baloney sandwiches.. all thats fine. I think its not much more than theater, but its fine. My problem with Sheriff Joe is that hes an attention whore who spends more time concocting ways to get on TV than he does doing his job. We don't need a celebrity sheriff. Also, hes completely corrupt, he uses county resources to go after political opponents, and its not even subtle he does it right out in the open, cause he knows he has the vote of all the blue hairs and old dudes. Ill be happy the day he kicks the bucket.. cant be too far away now.. hes what? 80? and that seems to be the only way we will get rid of him.

If you change "Sheriff Joe" to "Obama" and "blue hairs and old dudes" to "naive youngsters", you'd expand your argument to the national level.

It will be interesting to see how this whole Arpaio thing shakes out. When the Feds make their judgement against him and call for him to turn himself in to the authorities and be hauled off to Federal prison, will there be a big standoff between the yokel police and the feds?

A kind of grand Waco, Texas style standoff like we had a few years back with the Branch Davidians? A states rights-style constitutional crisis firefight between the City of Phoenix Municipal Police Department versus the 2nd Division's 4th Stryker Brigade would make for some good entertainment.

Either way, Joseph Mussalini Arpaio will be behind bars for his crimes soon enough.

diaphoresis:You know what scares me about tent city? People live in AZ and commit crimes KNOWING tent city exists.

Personally, I would have thought having a 'tent city' would be a deterrent to committing crimes in AZ. Obviously, there are an excessive amount of stupid criminals (redundancy intended) living in AZ. If I ever had to live in tent city, then got out, I would make DAMN sure I would commit crimes in some other state.

it's really not fair that many people suffer all their lives because they were born thick as a brick. eugenics would help eliminate this unwanted trend and make for a better society overall. if you're going to spend your life in prison you're better off skipping the life cycle to begin with.

-- and why is Sheriff Joe still walking around a free man? Seems Uncle Sam's little crews have been over to rip apart his offices more than once. Surely the Forensics Accounting people have found something on him. I'd bet they have, but they get too much highly polished wood watching him treat humans like poverty stricken homeless animals to usurp him from the fatarse throne.

Azlefty:diaphoresis: You know what scares me about tent city? People live in AZ and commit crimes KNOWING tent city exists.

Actually they are thinking "Well if Joe can commit crimes and the people love him, they will love me to!" They forget that they are not some senile white guy with a gun , badge, and a haterd for the Constitution going "It's them messsicans!"

LOL logic is certainly not wasted on you. You are a racist. He was talking about prevention/recidivism and watching a grown man shiat 2 feet from your head.

Psychomancer:I work for a different Arizona law enforcement agency and beleive that Arpiao is wrong most of the time and that he is too old to remain sheriff, but tent city is one of his good ideas that actually works. The tents are no different that those our service men and women live in in Afghanistan. During the day, the inmates can go into the air conditioned day room. Jail is not supposed to be fun.

The fark is wrong with you people?

They are TENTS in the DESERT.

It doesn't farking MATTER if the US military also sleeps in tents in the desert. You don't sentence people to be in the f*cking army. I've been in tents in the high heat of summer, as I was in the military using those same goddamn tents you cite. Forcibly confining someone to one is torture. I am not being facetious, I am not exaggerating, it is torture. So shut the fark up, show me what a tough you guy are and videotape yourself spending time in a 130+ degree tent.

RibbyK:skinink: It seems like he will never leave his position unless he dies. But it seems like the majority of voters in that area want him as Sheriff, so I don't see what the problem is. Are many of those protesters actually registered to vote? I can't understand why one of the most controversial officials in the U.S. hasn't been voted out yet.

You've answered your own question there. Majority of voters, how does it work?

Yea, I know my answer was there smartass. Since you missed the point I'll state it:if they want him out, vote him out. I think he's a bad sheriff and I myself am amazed the majority keep voting a bad person in.

skinink:RibbyK: skinink: It seems like he will never leave his position unless he dies. But it seems like the majority of voters in that area want him as Sheriff, so I don't see what the problem is. Are many of those protesters actually registered to vote? I can't understand why one of the most controversial officials in the U.S. hasn't been voted out yet.

You've answered your own question there. Majority of voters, how does it work?

Yea, I know my answer was there smartass. Since you missed the point I'll state it:if they want him out, vote him out. I think he's a bad sheriff and I myself am amazed the majority keep voting a bad person in.

That's not the way shiat works, dumbass. Does the phrase "Tyranny of the majority" mean anything to you?

LavenderWolf:Psychomancer: I work for a different Arizona law enforcement agency and beleive that Arpiao is wrong most of the time and that he is too old to remain sheriff, but tent city is one of his good ideas that actually works. The tents are no different that those our service men and women live in in Afghanistan. During the day, the inmates can go into the air conditioned day room. Jail is not supposed to be fun.

The fark is wrong with you people?

They are TENTS in the DESERT.

It doesn't farking MATTER if the US military also sleeps in tents in the desert. You don't sentence people to be in the f*cking army. I've been in tents in the high heat of summer, as I was in the military using those same goddamn tents you cite. Forcibly confining someone to one is torture. I am not being facetious, I am not exaggerating, it is torture. So shut the fark up, show me what a tough you guy are and videotape yourself spending time in a 130+ degree tent.

Well maybe if we brutalize prisoners and treat them like useless animals, they will man up and in no way have any psychological problems or end up going back to prison again!

We have a sort of Brother's Grimm "You hose up once, you're damned forever." mindset in the US. Things such as speeding, littering and possession of weed could carry much larger prison sentences and basically brand you as a failure to society. Rehabilitation would help get them back on track and put it behind them, but that's considered being nice to prisoners and that's a bad thing if we can't have our future Hunger Games scenario with them.

Prior to the election of Sheriff Joe Arpaio in 1993, the prisoner population in Maricopa County Jail, Arizona, the 4th largest jail system in the world,[37] exceeded the maximum number of inmates allowed in its facilities. Prisoners were routinely released from custody prior to completing their sentence due to the overcrowding. In a study conducted in 1993 it was estimated that construction of a new facility would cost approximately $70,000,000.[citation needed] Sheriff Arpaio, concerned about the cost of a new facility and reasoning that military tents were good enough for the men and women of the U.S. armed forces who fought in the Gulf War, ordered that a tent jail be constructed utilizing inmate labor.[38] It consisted of Korean War-era tents donated by the United States armed forces, and a 50 ft (15.4 m) observation tower with a vacancy sign mounted on the front. The final cost of the project was approximately $100,000 and it is capable of housing over 2,400 inmates.

Nothing will be solved by Joe dying, because he's a symptom, not the cause.

The real source of trouble in Maricopa for the foreseeable future can be more accurately blamed on 'Fossil Panic'. You have an artificially pumped up population of out-of-state seniors who bring all their requisite baggage, outmoded racism and 'new-guy' insecurity. Add on some ego issues that come from fears of becoming irrelevant with age. So they flex their political and financial muscle and vote for anybody - anybody - who will faithfully shoehorn their skewed and innapropriate viewpoints into everything, logic and ethics be damned.

None of that will go away with Sherrif Joe when he dies. They'll just find someone else like him to vote for, probably someone even worse. Once the Boomer generation dies off to a point where they lose enough influence, only then will change finally come.

snoproblem:Nothing will be solved by Joe dying, because he's a symptom, not the cause.

The real source of trouble in Maricopa for the foreseeable future can be more accurately blamed on 'Fossil Panic'. You have an artificially pumped up population of out-of-state seniors who bring all their requisite baggage, outmoded racism and 'new-guy' insecurity. Add on some ego issues that come from fears of becoming irrelevant with age. So they flex their political and financial muscle and vote for anybody - anybody - who will faithfully shoehorn their skewed and innapropriate viewpoints into everything, logic and ethics be damned.

None of that will go away with Sherrif Joe when he dies. They'll just find someone else like him to vote for, probably someone even worse. Once the Boomer generation dies off to a point where they lose enough influence, only then will change finally come.

You raise some good points and I agree that Joe is essentially a product of fear and ignorance.What you *won't* see after his reign is this level of arrogance and flat out abuse of power in that office. Not for awhile, anyway.You seem smart enough to not make me expound on that.

Goodfella:It will be interesting to see how this whole Arpaio thing shakes out. When the Feds make their judgement against him and call for him to turn himself in to the authorities and be hauled off to Federal prison, will there be a big standoff between the yokel police and the feds?

A kind of grand Waco, Texas style standoff like we had a few years back with the Branch Davidians? A states rights-style constitutional crisis firefight between the City of Phoenix Municipal Police Department versus the 2nd Division's 4th Stryker Brigade would make for some good entertainment.

Either way, Joseph Mussalini Arpaio will be behind bars for his crimes soon enough.

DPS has been tired of his shiat for quite some time. I don't think they'd hesitate if the fed said "yeah go get that dipstick."Alzheimer governor aside.

I love people who say that "jail is supposed to be rough" without seeming to realize that America jails a much higher number of people than the rest of the world, and has a bad issue with repeat offenders.

We might be doing something wrong.

/look at prisons in Norway and you tell me//Sheriff Joe doesn't give a crap about the law

Ringshadow:I love people who say that "jail is supposed to be rough" without seeming to realize that America jails a much higher number of people than the rest of the world, and has a bad issue with repeat offenders.

We might be doing something wrong.

/look at prisons in Norway and you tell me//Sheriff Joe doesn't give a crap about the law

LavenderWolf:Psychomancer: I work for a different Arizona law enforcement agency and beleive that Arpiao is wrong most of the time and that he is too old to remain sheriff, but tent city is one of his good ideas that actually works. The tents are no different that those our service men and women live in in Afghanistan. During the day, the inmates can go into the air conditioned day room. Jail is not supposed to be fun.

The fark is wrong with you people?

They are TENTS in the DESERT.

It doesn't farking MATTER if the US military also sleeps in tents in the desert. You don't sentence people to be in the f*cking army. I've been in tents in the high heat of summer, as I was in the military using those same goddamn tents you cite. Forcibly confining someone to one is torture. I am not being facetious, I am not exaggerating, it is torture. So shut the fark up, show me what a tough you guy are and videotape yourself spending time in a 130+ degree tent.

I guess that there was an awful lot of torture going on in Arizona jails and prisons prior to the advent of air conditioning.

Ringshadow:I love people who say that "jail is supposed to be rough" without seeming to realize that America jails a much higher number of people than the rest of the world, and has a bad issue with repeat offenders.

We might be doing something wrong.

/look at prisons in Norway and you tell me//Sheriff Joe doesn't give a crap about the law

It's not a Justice System.It's a REVENGE system, where the powerful who make the laws "avenge" those who they see as challenging their precious laws, because, to them, it's an insult.And the senile idiots who think this is a good thing and continue to vote that way.

Day_Old_Dutchie:Ringshadow: I love people who say that "jail is supposed to be rough" without seeming to realize that America jails a much higher number of people than the rest of the world, and has a bad issue with repeat offenders.

We might be doing something wrong.

/look at prisons in Norway and you tell me//Sheriff Joe doesn't give a crap about the law

It's not a Justice System.It's a REVENGE system, where the powerful who make the laws "avenge" those who they see as challenging their precious laws, because, to them, it's an insult.And the senile idiots who think this is a good thing and continue to vote that way.

I'm not of the mind that our current system is anywhere near ideal, but what would your alternative system be?

skinink:RibbyK: skinink: It seems like he will never leave his position unless he dies. But it seems like the majority of voters in that area want him as Sheriff, so I don't see what the problem is. Are many of those protesters actually registered to vote? I can't understand why one of the most controversial officials in the U.S. hasn't been voted out yet.

You've answered your own question there. Majority of voters, how does it work?

Yea, I know my answer was there smartass. Since you missed the point I'll state it:if they want him out, vote him out. I think he's a bad sheriff and I myself am amazed the majority keep voting a bad person in.

Ad hominem attacks, the first and last choice of the liberal strategy. It took you two posts to get there, an impressive display of restraint. Whom shall we personally bash next, Romney? Bush?

RibbyK:skinink: RibbyK: skinink: It seems like he will never leave his position unless he dies. But it seems like the majority of voters in that area want him as Sheriff, so I don't see what the problem is. Are many of those protesters actually registered to vote? I can't understand why one of the most controversial officials in the U.S. hasn't been voted out yet.

You've answered your own question there. Majority of voters, how does it work?

Yea, I know my answer was there smartass. Since you missed the point I'll state it:if they want him out, vote him out. I think he's a bad sheriff and I myself am amazed the majority keep voting a bad person in.

Ad hominem attacks, the first and last choice of the liberal strategy. It took you two posts to get there, an impressive display of restraint. Whom shall we personally bash next, Romney? Bush?

If it took two posts, then it wasn't really his first choice of a strategy now was it?

diaphoresis:You know what scares me about tent city? People live in AZ and commit crimes KNOWING tent city exists.

Arpaio has always made a point of visiting the inmates and telling them that the purpose of the tent city is to give them incentive to straighten up and not come back. He tells them plainly that if they don't want to be there then they need to stop breaking the law. He has been very explicit about this.

Why they keep committing crimes while knowing they could wind up in the tent city...?

diaphoresis:You know what scares me about tent city? People live in AZ and commit crimes KNOWING tent city exists.

Personally, I would have thought having a 'tent city' would be a deterrent to committing crimes in AZ. Obviously, there are an excessive amount of stupid criminals (redundancy intended) living in AZ. If I ever had to live in tent city, then got out, I would make DAMN sure I would commit crimes in some other state.

jim32rr:Ringshadow: I love people who say that "jail is supposed to be rough" without seeming to realize that America jails a much higher number of people than the rest of the world, and has a bad issue with repeat offenders.

We might be doing something wrong.

/look at prisons in Norway and you tell me//Sheriff Joe doesn't give a crap about the law

kg2095:jim32rr: Ringshadow: I love people who say that "jail is supposed to be rough" without seeming to realize that America jails a much higher number of people than the rest of the world, and has a bad issue with repeat offenders.

We might be doing something wrong.

/look at prisons in Norway and you tell me//Sheriff Joe doesn't give a crap about the law

The recidivism rate for prisoners in Norway is around 20 percent. Meanwhile, it's estimated that 67 percent of America's prisoners are re-arrested and 52 percent are re-incarcerated.

In 2009, Norway had .6 intentional homicides per 100,000 people. In the same year, the United States had 5 murders per 100,000 people, meaning that the U.S. proportionally has 8 times as many homicides.

That figure for Norway has a decimal point in front of it, so 0.6 compared to 5.0 for the US.

71 out of every 100,000 Norwegian citizens is incarcerated. In the United States, 743 out of every 100,000 citizens was incarcerated in 2009. The U.S. has the world's highest incarceration rate.

This points to a criminal justice system in the US that just does not work. It seems to be set up simply to take revenge on those who break the law without any thought for how to break the chain of crime, prison, crime, etc.

I have heard someone on a documentary once suggest that the US has more crime because it has more ethnic minorities than other countries. But that is demonstrably incorrect - Europe in general, including Norway is very ethnically and racially diverse. In fact that terrorist dickhead in Norway stated that his motivation for his atrocities was what he perceived as the Islamification of Norway.

NorwayNorwegian 94.4% (ncludes Sami, about 60,000), other European 3.6%, other 2% (2007 estimate)

USAWhite Americans are the racial majority, with an 72% share of the U.S. population. Hispanic and Latino Americans compose 15% of the population. Black Americans composing nearly 13% of the population.

FTA:The jail complex in west Phoenix was the site of a January 2010 protest that drew 10,000 immigrant rights advocates and was marked by a clash between a small group of protesters and police officers.

Why does the media play along with this falacy? No one has a problem with immigrants, the problem is with ILLEGAL immigrants. With people this stupid they are in the right field of work, true journalism is dead.

There isn't much I agree with Sheriff Joe on, but I do like the idea of his tent city jail. Unfortunately most of the inmates will probably be there for minor drug offenses that I don't think should be crimes in the first place.

kg2095:kg2095: jim32rr: Ringshadow: I love people who say that "jail is supposed to be rough" without seeming to realize that America jails a much higher number of people than the rest of the world, and has a bad issue with repeat offenders.

We might be doing something wrong.

/look at prisons in Norway and you tell me//Sheriff Joe doesn't give a crap about the law

The recidivism rate for prisoners in Norway is around 20 percent. Meanwhile, it's estimated that 67 percent of America's prisoners are re-arrested and 52 percent are re-incarcerated.

In 2009, Norway had .6 intentional homicides per 100,000 people. In the same year, the United States had 5 murders per 100,000 people, meaning that the U.S. proportionally has 8 times as many homicides.

That figure for Norway has a decimal point in front of it, so 0.6 compared to 5.0 for the US.

71 out of every 100,000 Norwegian citizens is incarcerated. In the United States, 743 out of every 100,000 citizens was incarcerated in 2009. The U.S. has the world's highest incarceration rate.

This points to a criminal justice system in the US that just does not work. It seems to be set up simply to take revenge on those who break the law without any thought for how to break the chain of crime, prison, crime, etc.

I have heard someone on a documentary once suggest that the US has more crime because it has more ethnic minorities than other countries. But that is demonstrably incorrect - Europe in general, including Norway is very ethnically and racially diverse. In fact that terrorist dickhead in Norway stated that his motivation for his atrocities was what he perceived as the Islamification of Norway.

You think that possibly the recidivism rate could also be related to other factors, like culture?

Japanese Tsunami - People actually farking took food from their homes TO the stores so that those who didn't have any would have an opportunity to get some. People weren't out looting and rioting and causing general mayhem.

These two cultures are extremely dissimilar, so you would expect their criminal justice system, among others, to not be directly comparable. I think that you have this same phenomenon when you try to compare our system to Norway. Perhaps it's not the system, but rather the people.

Japanese Tsunami - People actually farking took food from their homes TO the stores so that those who didn't have any would have an opportunity to get some. People weren't out looting and rioting and causing general mayhem.

And yet you have Japanese Yakuza and the Japanese sex trade (and that is just staying in modern times).

But you are right that there is a culture gap, and it probably has to do with Japan (as well as Norway for that matter) believing in a common good and providing opportunity to all and operating a society on those premises, while the US has a wide class gap that forces confrontation between us and them. This leads to situations with looting because they aren't looting from themselves, they are looting from the other.

Interestingly it probably also isn't coincidence that both societies are more homogenous than the US, and it gets harder for people to value the common good when they are sharing it with other culture. Ultimately people are born racists and have to learn to tolerate people who are different, and many people just never learn that skill. This is a universal problem, and as more foreigners enter Scandinavian countries for example, the more those countries becomes conservative.

Japanese Tsunami - People actually farking took food from their homes TO the stores so that those who didn't have any would have an opportunity to get some. People weren't out looting and rioting and causing general mayhem.

And yet you have Japanese Yakuza and the Japanese sex trade (and that is just staying in modern times).

But you are right that there is a culture gap, and it probably has to do with Japan (as well as Norway for that matter) believing in a common good and providing opportunity to all and operating a society on those premises, while the US has a wide class gap that forces confrontation between us and them. This leads to situations with looting because they aren't looting from themselves, they are looting from the other.

Interestingly it probably also isn't coincidence that both societies are more homogenous than the US, and it gets harder for people to value the common good when they are sharing it with other culture. Ultimately people are born racists and have to learn to tolerate people who are different, and many people just never learn that skill. This is a universal problem, and as more foreigners enter Scandinavian countries for example, the more those countries becomes conservative.

I agree with you in general. We probably differ on the degree to which we think that society vs. the individual is responsible for their state in life. I lean more heavily toward the individual.

Fark Me To Tears:Arpaio has always made a point of inviting the press for photo ops while visiting the inmates and telling them that the purpose of the tent city is to give them incentive to straighten up and not come back. He tells them plainly that if they don't want to be there then they need to stop breaking the law. He has been very explicit about this.