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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-27-10 11:25 PM
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NO one who ran for the Democratic nomination before should do it again.
We need a different nominee.

The incumbent can't regain his popularity, and can't win Congress back for us. Without a Democratic House, it can't be worth re-electing a Democratic president since that Democratic president can't DO anything Democratic if the House stays GOP(the last Democratic adminstration proves this).

The runner-up is committed to all the things that have made this administration unpopular(she STILL loves globalization, STILL thinks we need "pro-business" economic policies, STILL wants us to stay in Afghanistan indefinitely, STILL wants to bomb Iran even though nothing but misery can come of that, STILL wants a massive war budget).

Dean is a good man, but better as an organizer than a candidate.

And Dennis whom I still regard as a hero, will always be picked apart over trivialities.

And Dennis whom I still regard as a hero, will always be picked apart over trivialities.

Yeah, the "triviality" that he's a stark-raving fucking lunatic who bankrupted Cleveland and then ran off to spend the mid-'80s with Shirley MacLaine. Boy, howdy, that must have been quite an experience....

On talk radio , I keep hearing "Stop Obama in 2012" but I don't hear much in the way of a candidate who can do that. These "pundits" (Hannity, Schnitt, Limbaugh, Levin, Hunt, etc...) keep mouthing that "McCain wasn't conservative enough" bullshit.

Bullshit. You're kidding yourselves if you think the kind of "conservatism" these Tea Party folks claim to represent will win the White House.

Republicans are a numerical minority in the United States. To win the presidency, they have to peel off some Democrats.

Republicans represent the far right option, and democrats parade around as the sane compromising centrist side. Bot of these parties are almost entirely owned and operated by big business, wall street, banks, and the other economic powerhouses. There is no leftist party, so we get a bunch of spectacle, people flinging shit back and forth and the two parties bickering but in the end they represent the same people.

Even people who consider themselves moderate or conservative should hope that there is a leftist party, so that we can have a real discussion, rather than republicans calling democrats socialists and democrats calling republicans racists.

Originally Posted by Adam Smith - Wealth of Nations

It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.

Republicans represent the far right option, and democrats parade around as the sane compromising centrist side. Bot of these parties are almost entirely owned and operated by big business, wall street, banks, and the other economic powerhouses. There is no leftist party, so we get a bunch of spectacle, people flinging shit back and forth and the two parties bickering but in the end they represent the same people.

Even people who consider themselves moderate or conservative should hope that there is a leftist party, so that we can have a real discussion, rather than republicans calling democrats socialists and democrats calling republicans racists.

So, you consider people like Pelosi and Kucinich and self-avowed socialist Bernie Sanders and Kooktown Al Franken to be the center? Time to hit the reset button and re-discover the center, man.

Sorry, but the party leadership in the Democrats is very decidedly Leftist. Now there's certainly plenty of elected Democrats who are not nearly so far to the left, just as there are certainly plenty of elected Republicans who are not nearly so far to the right as many would like the GOP leadership to be (Boehner is not exactly a right-wing extremist, much to my chagrin), but to pretend that the Democrats are not a Leftist party is just fallacy and/or imagination.

So, you consider people like Pelosi and Kucinich and self-avowed socialist Bernie Sanders and Kooktown Al Franken to be the center? Time to hit the reset button and re-discover the center, man.

Sorry, but the party leadership in the Democrats is very decidedly Leftist. Now there's certainly plenty of elected Democrats who are not nearly so far to the left, just as there are certainly plenty of elected Republicans who are not nearly so far to the right as many would like the GOP leadership to be (Boehner is not exactly a right-wing extremist, much to my chagrin), but to pretend that the Democrats are not a Leftist party is just fallacy and/or imagination.