Part of the problem is that the technical guys inside Sun seem to have
no say as to who does the talks. I did a BOF on Taglibs (sorry Jason) a
couple of years ago, after which I got invited onto the expert group
(sound of own trumpet blowing). We (as a company) they spoke to the Sun
leads on the expert group about getting 'big tent' talks, but they said
that basically they have no influence with Key3Media (the company that
arranges the conference).
And (after finally having talks accepted) I agree with Jason. The
process is nightmarish!
Kevin Jones
Developmentor
www.develop.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jdom-interest-admin at jdom.org> [mailto:jdom-interest-admin at jdom.org] On Behalf Of Jon Baer
> Sent: 11 February 2002 22:36
> To: jdom-interest at jdom.org> Subject: Re: [jdom-interest] JavaOne presentations (flame)
>>> Thank you, thank you, thank you.
>> Not for nothing, but I thought I was the only one who felt
> like that. I had personally wasted alot of time, energy, and
> money @ these types of conferences (where it seemed like the
> talker was very restricted and seemed smart but made no
> sense) and yet when all is said and done I actually learn
> more from free seminars/slides from people like Elliotte and
> such. Someone should tell Sun that when they try to be a
> little "too controlling" they end up being like some other
> company we know. Now quite honestly I can understand that
> some guidelines when applied to open source are needed to
> avoid all out chaos but when you have done so much for the
> community already and ur name is Jason Hunter with a few best
> selling books out, why even question the slides to begin with?
>> - Jon
>> "Bosch, Mike" wrote:
>> > Which in addition you get the "privilege" of paying ~$2000
> to go and
> > listen to corporate advertising.
> >
> > Count me out on the conference unless one of our vendors gets me in.
> >
> > -Mike
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bradley S. Huffman [mailto:hip at a.cs.okstate.edu]
> > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 1:09 PM
> > To: jdom-interest at jdom.org> > Subject: Re: [jdom-interest] JavaOne presentations (flame)
> >
> > What do you expect when they are the head rats in charge of the
> > cheese. I think for your talk you should dye your hair pink
> and wear a
> > t-shirt that says "Large coporate advertising disguised as a
> > conference still sucks!"
> >
> > :->
> >
> > Jason Hunter writes:
> >
> > > Frank Sauer wrote:
> > > > Wow, do you work for SUN now? How in the world did you
> get in in
> > > > the first place? I wish I had to deal with the slide
> nazis but I
> > > > have
> > yet
> > > > to meet the first non-SUN JavaOne speaker. Just
> venting, let's all
> > > > vent
> > :-)
> > >
> > > Ha! Good question. The talk actually wasn't accepted at first.
> > > And you're right, JavaOne is notorious for having dozens of talks
> > > about Sun's favorite new technology (ie JSP taglibs) and
> missing out
> > > on whole swaths of interesting other technologies (ie Apache
> > > Velocity). Last year there were at least a dozen JAXP
> talks. As if
> > > you couldn't understand all of JAXP in one short talk.
> And JDOM was
> > > left as an alternate talk. This year I had to do a
> little lobbying
> > > after the initial refusal. I think it helped that JDOM was a JSR
> > > and that I'm Apache's representative to the JCP Executive
> Committee.
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