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I read everything in the PF Tek section. I will be a first time grower, is there anything else I need to know that is not included in that? I know there is a lot more to know, but I just want a simple way to grow them. Any tips or tricks before I get started that has not been talked about in other threads? Thanks so much, Steph

Love U want my 2 cents? ( love is what i call all females) I did the PF tek like 4 years ago i had all kinds of stuff go wrongContam, bad mixture to dry to wet. atlast i got a few fungi. nothing big.

I started only a few weeks ago made a karo culture. Got some wild bird seed. made some jars used the PC have not had a contam yet knock knock.should have fungi in a week or 2. PF is a wast of time.No disregard to the Porfessor. go with WBS case it and u will do fine.

But do as u wish im new to this 2 so what do i know?

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for a first timer i would suggest using pints to each one add 2/3 cup pennington wild finch food or hartz parakeet food in clear and green bag, a pinch of gypsum, and 1/2 a cup of hot distilled water with a teaspoon of organic honey mixed into it, put lids on upside down pressure cook at 15 psi for one hour, shake, let cool, inoculate, incubate shake when appropriate ,when colonized either case right in jar with one inch 50/50 peat/vermiculite as described in silly simon tek or use for spawn on pasterized horse shit for a more bulk approach also i would also suggest saving a jar for g2g transfers This is the way my foaf did it the first time and every time since with excellent results good luck

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I think newbies CAN start with casings and popcorn(wbs) etc, and if I knew then what I know now, I wouldnt have done PF tek at all.

And in some ways its HARDER

PF tek had its time out in thr feild, but I think thr OMC should do the old horse a favour and shoot it. (IMO)

But cakes makwe great spawn

(if you do use PF tek, remember to put verm on top and bottom,and give them alot of air when you are waiting for pins(and when pind form etc), dont be lazy, because sometimes the little bastards take awhile and if you dont give them the proper conditions, they will take even longer.

I know this belongs in the growlog forum but it seems more would see it here that can use it. That and I?m sure most have seen it already but maby somebody can use this to help them out.

Grow LogTek : PFStrain : South American [SA]Spores : Came from homemade prints. 36 total jars to be injected.Substrate :Brown Rice Flour [BRF] and Vermiculite [Verm]---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------10:15 PM 3/4/03 : Project is started. Jar prep is just putting small holes in the lids for the spore syringe and then taping them closed until inoculation. Tape used is the standard black electrical tape. First batch of jars is mixed. The mix used is 2 parts verm, 1 part water, and 1 part brf. [ This mix is the max fruiting formula by PF.] Mix is put into 1/2 pint canning jars lightly, not packed in, and left it airy. Put substrate in until it reaches the threads of the jar, then add dry verm the rest of the way.Jars are PCd at 10psi or 240f for a period of 45 minutes. Then jars were left to sit overnight to cool.

8:39 PM 3/5/2003 : First batch of jars injected. (24 jars)

10:04 AM 3/6/2003 : Incubator is running to low 77F. Going to turn it up today.

5:45 PM 3/6/2003 : Second batch of jars is in the PC will be injected tomorrow. Turned up incubator runs at 83F. 86F is the best and if the incubator is 83F and myc growing in the jars is suppose to create a little heat I figure this should work out well.

1:11 PM 3/7/2003 : Second batch of jars is done. (12 jars)

12:10 PM 3/9/2003 : Jars are doing good, no signs of contams

2:54 AM 3/19/2003 : Tape removed from the holes today and coffee filters put over the top of the jars for added protection. Holes were opened so the CO2 in the jars could escape. I gave 12 jars to a friend who kept fucking up. 24 jar?s about 75%done.

12:13 PM 3/22/2003 : Well it?s Saturday and the jars will probably be done by the 25th. So it was 36 jars. 12 were given to a friend, 24 done by Tuesday.

10:26 PM 3/23/2003 : 15 jars were done enough to put into dunk. I dunk and cold shock before birthing and after every flush. The other 9 jars have a spot the size of a pea that has to be covered so I?ll do those on the 25th.

7:17 PM 3/24/2003 : 15 jars put into the pod. Put in and put a layer of moist verm on top. With geolite I just put the cakes on it. With some other chambers I put the cake on a lid filled with verm. This is done to give the shrooms on the bottom and the top of the cake some added moisture. The other 9 jars just finished so I?m going to give them a couple more days to make sure the middle of the cake is done.

4:57 PM 3/27/2003 : 5 More cakes birthed today, 4 left going to do them tomorrow or 3/29/2003

3:58 PM 3/29/2003 : Well I lost another cake. My wife?s little 1 cake pod made from a 2 liter and a small fish pump and a little geolite used up her last cake so I gave her a SA to grow. The last 3 are in the cold shock dunk.So the total is 36 jars done all colonized with no contams. 12 given to a friend, 1 to the wife, 23 mine

12:08 PM 3/30/2003 : Last of jars put in

12:02 PM 3/31/2003 : The first 15 cakes are pinning nicely and some have shrooms coming from the bottom.

11:01 AM 4/3/2003 : Things look to be going well.

1:02 AM 4/4/2003 : Took the first flush from four of the cakes. More will be done later today.

5/8/2003 : Total 23 cakes 164 grams dried.

A very simple grain tek.

I like to use rye do to the fact that I case the grain directly and don?t use it for spawn which I find wbs better for. The rye holds more water so it allows for larger flushes in my exp, others may differ we all have our own ways of doing things this is just what I do.

1. First I prepare the grain by putting it in a strainer and shaking the dust off of it one cup at a time. I then put the cup of grain or rye in my case into a quart jar and fill the jar with water and let it soak for 24 hours. My reason for doing this is that bacteria endospores that form on grain can survive the PC so we let the little fuckers germinate and then PC them.

2. Then take the rye and pour out the water. Your gonna see that it has turned piss yellow. Then take the grain and put it into a pot add water so the grain is nicely covered and simmer it for 40 to 45 minutes. You?ll notice some of the rye grain starting to burst and the grain has turned brown and swollen up quite a bit.

3. Pour the water out and put the grain into a challender or strainer and let it drain. I myself like to rinse it off after the simmer.

4. Now load the rye into the jars, I like quarts so that is what I use. Leave enough room at the top of the jar for you to shake the grain around (pic #1) . I didn't have any jars with just grain but you get the idea. No extra water is needed to be added to the jars just the grain. I like to set up my jars like this, metal lid, tyvek and then the band. (pics # 2,3)

I like tyvek for a few reasons. Nice to write on, (pic # 4) and easy to make with a cookie cutter in a hour you can make enough disks for life (pic # 5) . Then PC the jars at 15psi for 1 hour and let them cool. Little hint, if you take them out when they are still hot as hell and shake them they won?t clump up when they cool.

5. Once cool I like to add between 2 and 3 cc or mil to each jar. 2 if I made the syringe 3 if I bought one to add a strain to the collection. I push the needle right threw the tyvek over the small hole in the metal lid. Easy to find the hole if you hold the jar slanted toward a light. I Cover with a band aid because they come sterile already (pic # 6)6. Once the jars are all shot up so to say shake them like a crazed nut. Mix them up as good as you can so the spores start all over the jar. In 9 days to 3 weeks max your jars will look like this (pic # 1 again)

7. Make your casing with whatever casing mix you decide to use and let them sit in the incubator for 4 to 7 days then birth.

My average total time from the time I shoot them up till the first harvest with this grain tek is 4 to 5 weeks.

South Americans at 4 weeks after shooting up the jars. (pic # 7, 8, 9)

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

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This is my Friends first grow, and hes using the PF Tek to grow one jar for the first attempt. after 3-4 Weeks the jar is fully colonized with primordia coming up and is ready to take outta the jar.

I think the PF Tek is working out great, havent had any contam trouble, and it hasnt really been a pain. if i had to pick a worst part, i would say the Perlite is the worst part, because of the just straight up nasty mess it becomes when you add water.

some of the things you should do when you do the PF Tek that it doesnt mention? well, a day or two after you innoculate you should take off the tape covering the holes. when its almost done colonizing, id say about 90% done, you should flip the jar onto its top. Use Perlite or Geolite on the bottom of your Grow Chamber and you wont have to worry about hand spraying, just fan everyday. you should also Dunk and Roll. Before you take the cake outta the jar, if you dont have primordia or pins yet, you should leave it in the jar, fill the jar with water and put the lid on, throw it in the fridge for 12 hours, then drain water and take cake out, roll in dry verm, mist with water. this will recharge the water in the cake and you will have larger flush. if the first flush has already been spotted before you take the cake outta the jar, go ahead and wait for the dunk and roll until after the first flush. thats about it i think. good luck

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Where can you buy tyvek? It sounds like a great material for filter patches?

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Thanks a lot. I'm going to try PF Tek first since I learned that way to grow them, don't want to get confused and try other things at the moment that I will probably mess up since I'm a newbie. I've read PF Tek word for word. Once I have some experiance I'll try other methods or tricks with it. Can I ask where some of you get your spores?

ralphsters, TLG, and sporeworks are all really good sporeworks has some exotic species that are good and has the live cultures for edibles nice people as wellTLG great spores and good serviceRalphster THE BEST SPORES AROUNDI have bought from many vendors and those three stand out

Hey I have a question! What do I check or put quantity amount for on the Ralphster spores money order?? I'm new to this so I don't know what all of them mean. I want to order psilocybe spores and a couple syringes. I want enough spores for about 5-8 1/2 pint jars. Please be honest you guys. Thanks so much.