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I was quite amazed with the reactions of Maria. She didn't shed a tear which actualy shows more of her role in the upcoming chapters. I was somehow confused how Shannon's body wasn't with the others. Does that mean that she was used as a substitute since Natsuhi was protected from the amulet? (hint; saw the blood markings on the door?
So,was Natsuhi the 6th person and not Shannon?

I was quite amazed with the reactions of Maria. She didn't shed a tear which actualy shows more of her role in the upcoming chapters. I was somehow confused how Shannon's body wasn't with the others. Does that mean that she was used as a substitute since Natsuhi was protected from the amulet? (hint; saw the blood markings on the door?
So,was Natsuhi the 6th person and not Shannon?

Spoiler for guess:

Now that you've said....maybe gohda was used as a substitute too?

Spoiler for episode 2 first twilight:

because, in episode 2, Natsuhi doesn't have the amulet and she died with the others, right? But eva and Hideyoshi too, so maybe Gohda is a subistitute for Eva or Hideyoshi. I believe that, if the amulets really means that the person that have it is protected, and since Jessica does not have the amulet to give to her mother on episode 2, Maria hold it or give to her mother, I do not remember where Rosa was in the night of the first twiligth on epi 2, but if she was with Maria, than it explains a lot(maybe?). Rosa couldn't be killed so eva died in her place, and natsuhi wasn't with the amulet, so she died, and hideyoshi.....well, i think that I've lose my point....>XD

Not sure about Shannon, but since her corpse was deeper than the other corpses in the scene of the crime, maybe she was killed first and separadely? i mean, someone killed her, trowed her body and than came back to kill the other 5...not like that represents something significative...

And, just because I thought that the page-title of thei chapter was so full of informations, here's the clean image

because, in episode 2, Natsuhi doesn't have the amulet and she died with the others, right? But eva and Hideyoshi too, so maybe Gohda is a subistitute for Eva or Hideyoshi. I believe that, if the amulets really means that the person that have it is protected, and since Jessica does not have the amulet to give to her mother on episode 2, Maria hold it or give to her mother, I do not remember where Rosa was in the night of the first twiligth on epi 2, but if she was with Maria, than it explains a lot(maybe?). Rosa couldn't be killed so eva died in her place, and natsuhi wasn't with the amulet, so she died, and hideyoshi.....well, i think that I've lose my point....>XD

Not sure about Shannon, but since her corpse was deeper than the other corpses in the scene of the crime, maybe she was killed first and separadely? i mean, someone killed her, trowed her body and than came back to kill the other 5...not like that represents something significative...

And, just because I thought that the page-title of thei chapter was so full of informations, here's the clean image

Spoiler for more hints:

Shannon's face was not completely destroyed so it was easy to understand it was her.I highly doubt it was the first person killed cause the markings on Natsuhi's door were covered with blood. The victim killed someone first,then started lookin for Natsuhi and since he couldn't get to her he killed the substitute. Another thing that makes me curious is,how about if someone of the 5 victims is the killer.
Hint one
Their faces were completely destroyed and only the clothes mentioned their identity.
Hint two
Remember what Gohda said to Shannon? He would be in the servants room waiting for orders. Also the key was taken from the Servants room

I'll begin reading umineko's manga
but I have a question! after reading the chapters translated , there are whose aren't translated
can I read the chapter of ep 2 ? or I must wait to finish the rest of the firt episode ??

I'll begin reading umineko's manga
but I have a question! after reading the chapters translated , there are whose aren't translated
can I read the chapter of ep 2 ? or I must wait to finish the rest of the firt episode ??

Yes I reccomend that you wait because you'll be totally confused and have no idea of what's going on.

I'll begin reading umineko's manga
but I have a question! after reading the chapters translated , there are whose aren't translated
can I read the chapter of ep 2 ? or I must wait to finish the rest of the firt episode ??

Finally broke down and read the manga. Might impair my enjoyment of the show, but I couldn't resist.

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Originally Posted by Cierra

Spoiler for future hint:

I was quite amazed with the reactions of Maria. She didn't shed a tear which actualy shows more of her role in the upcoming chapters. I was somehow confused how Shannon's body wasn't with the others. Does that mean that she was used as a substitute since Natsuhi was protected from the amulet? (hint; saw the blood markings on the door?
So,was Natsuhi the 6th person and not Shannon?

Alternatively... (spolers for manga, probably completely invalidated by the games but hey, I've got leave myself some spoilers)

Spoiler for Guess based on manga up to issue 8.:

It could be that Shannon and George killed the rest of them together off camera, after/before they had their scene with the ring. Just occured to me as I was thinking about old mystery novels. (no idea why, still theorising, possibly just an inheritance grab? Natsuhi isn't family and so can't inherit herself, Eva... no idea why she was spared, could just be dumb luck. Sounds too flimsy.) Then Shannon herself got killed by someone else who tried to mimic them (possibly while returning the key to the storehouse?), hence why her corpse has a few differences from the others.

Yeah it's got holes a mile wide and almost certainly wrong but I have to start somewhere.

edit: Scratch that. Doesn't mesh with locations. For some reason I thought the servents room was in the main mansion. Back to the drawing board.

I'll begin reading umineko's manga
but I have a question! after reading the chapters translated , there are whose aren't translated
can I read the chapter of ep 2 ? or I must wait to finish the rest of the firt episode ??

Well, but I think that, since there's just one chapter of episode 2, you can read it and it'll make no difference, and, if you watched and understood Higurashi, the "arcs" thing will not be a problem.

BTW, I'm really waiting for the release of last chapter, because I want to see if they will include Tp and HTP to explain Beatrice on ep2

when the chap is skipped, does the story make sense? or does it seem like it's been cut?

Spoiler for Spoiler, don't read if you haven't finish EP1:

Totally make sense. Chapter 18 finish with discovery of the third magic circle, the one that represent discord. Chapter 20 starts with Battler try to find the meaning of the magic circle, before the phone rings.

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Totally make sense. Chapter 18 finish with discovery of the third magic circle, the one that represent discord. Chapter 20 starts with Battler try to find the meaning of the magic circle, before the phone rings.

hmm that's strange... But I don't think they'd make an error as serious as mistaking the chapter number... are you sure that's chapter 20 and not 19?

well if you're sure then it has to mean something... but I don't think it's what you said... if you've played game 3 and 4 you'll understand why... if you haven't... well just think of the chapter numbering as a mistake or then something else...

Well I never saw a manga with a chapter numbering mistake. On the cover of the june issue it says 20th chapter and the one of the May issue does indeed say 18th chapter, so it's most likely a little joke the author did