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Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

[quote user="Raptor22"]We've talked about sleepers, and risers... but what about the guys going in the other direction?

What diamonds do you think will/could fall into JR's hands?

Personally, I've been thinking that Micheal Brockers will be the DT to fall. The kid is raw as hell, and he played too heavy, but he fits JR's mold to a T. If he could get down to a semi-lean 305, he could be a terror.

Also, I'm looking at Kuechly as a possible faller. I love the kid, but given how the LB market has moved, or rather, hasn't, I don't see much interest in LB's this year in the NFL. Also, I'm wondering how much of his combine numbers are the product of post-season workouts. His combine numbers were as good if not better than Patrick Willis', and while Kuechly is a great prospect, I don't see "best LB in the league" when I watch him play. And given how prone GM's are to talking themselves out of picks, if I'M thinking that, they probably are too.
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Thats what scares me a little about Kuechly as well. He's a very good athlete, no doubt. He can stick his foot in the ground, create a burst, and close on ball carriers. However, I just don't see that elite lower body explosion in games that you saw in the combine. He gets engulfed by blockers his fair share of times. His short shuttle was phenomenal and better than most receivers at the combine but you don't see that elite change of direction ability in games either

I think maybe the post season workouts may have made him even better. It's a new facet and dynamic of Kuechly game's that he's worked on and we haven't seen in college. Or, well, that's at least my theory. Because unless he took some human growth hormones or something, you don't put up those numbers unless you're a heck of an athlete.

Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

[quote user="heavyhitter"]PRO DAY
March 28:Central Florida, Connecticut, Newberry, Northern Iowa, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Carolina State

Here are the other notable performers from Vanderbilt’s pro day:

Casey Hayward, CB (5-11 1/4, 193) — Brett Maxie, current Dallas Cowboys secondary coach and a veteran of 13 NFL seasons as a safety, worked Hayward out during position drills. Hayward — who worked out at the combine — is a solid player who helped himself out during the workout, and figures to be selected in the lower half of the second round or early in the third round.

Notre Dame's Smith ready to face NFL's new breed of tight ends
[/quote] I've said numerous times for months now, i think Hayward is the 2nd best CB in this draft after Claiborne... I thought at one point he would eventually rise into late 1st rd contention, and i think when said and done, his on field production is gonna be that of a 1st rder.. Doug Martin and Casey Hayward have been 2 of my favorite prospects since the season, and i;ve thought them both to be grossley underrated and just a matter of time before NFL teams nad Draft guru's start catching on, and for the most part, they have or are in the midst of doing so...

Casey Hayward, CB (5-11 1/4, 193) — Brett Maxie, current Dallas Cowboys secondary coach and a veteran of 13 NFL seasons as a safety, worked Hayward out during position drills. Hayward — who worked out at the combine — is a solid player who helped himself out during the workout, and figures to be selected in the lower half of the second round or early in the third round.

Notre Dame's Smith ready to face NFL's new breed of tight ends
[/quote]* I've said numerous times for months now, i think Hayward is the 2nd best CB in this draft after Claiborne... I thought at one point he would eventually rise into late 1st rd contention, and i think when said and done, his on field production is gonna be that of a 1st rder..** Doug Martin and Casey Hayward have been 2 of my favorite prospects since the season, and i;ve thought them both to be grossley underrated and just a matter of time before NFL teams nad Draft guru's start catching on, and for the most part, they have or are in the midst of doing so...[/quote]Heyward is one of my favorite players to cut videos for and I usually hate cutting CB's.

Finally went over 1,000,000 views on my Jmpasq acount
Over 1.5 Million total

Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

I was checking out Charlie Campbell's latest mock that came out this morning, and i really disliked what he had for us... Not all the picks, but he just had a ton of guys who were hit or miss, which is fine, if u have 1or2, but he had about 4of the 5picks, as hit or miss types.. I think we'll take a couple high upside guys who drop, but not that many...

His draft had us going

1. Jerel Worthy DT Michigan St- Funny, because i've been saying that i could really see us grabbing Worthy if hes on the board still at 32, as hes got the upside, measuables, and decent on field production, and plays a positon of great importance to the GIANTS success..

2. Zerbie Sanders OT Fla St- Big bust here, i think.. Just not impressed with what i see from this guy..

3. Bernard Pierce RB Temple- Fine with this pick... Been a pierce fan since 2010..

4. Vontaze Burfict LB Arz St- Puked in my mouth!

5. Travis Lewis LB Oklahoma- No problem here, but 2many hit or miss guys to go with another , in my opinion..

So Anyways, i tweaked it, and think i made a nice mock for us, that i'm proud of..lol

1. Jerel Worthy DT Mich St

2. Bobby Wagner LB Utah St- Goff is unknown at this point, if he'll even be back, and i love the thumper from Utah St, whos everywhere on the field, and very consistent...

3. Bernard Pierce RB Temple

4. Ladarious Green TE La Tech- More of a pass catcher, could team with bennett to be a formidable duo, if ballard and beckum have trouble getting back from injury..

5. Tom Compton OT S.Dakota St- I really like this small school stud, who has made some noise since the offseason began... Great Measurables, and dominated small school comp..

[/quote] If i were to finish the mock of, which i all ready should of done, i'd of gone with

5.(Comp for cofield) Danny Coale WR Va Tech- I think he fits our team like a glove...

6. Sean Cattouse SS California- Another sleeper of mine, i think has the run stuffing potential, and is somewhat of a intimidator out there, and could possibly fit that deon grant role for us..

7. Garth Gerhart C Arz St- Most underrated C in this class.. I think hes better then David Molk to be honest, and woulden't be surprised if he ended up a starter down the line..

[/quote] I Gotta do a new mock now that i know we got a extra 4th rd pick!!!!!!lol Freaking stoked! Reese is gonna kill it this yr, yet again! Comp pick changes my philosophy..

1. Doug Martin RB Boise St- We simply need another RB, with Bradshaw's always injured feet, and jacobs gone as of now, and nothing behind him to speak of, as far as what they've shown to this point.. Doug Martin is the most complete back in this draft, in my opinion.. Hes a bowling ball, and ELI will love having him as a weapon to throw to outta backfield...

2. Bobby Wagner LB Utah St- Goff is unknown if he'll be back, and Wagner is a all over the field LB that makes plays and hits hard.. I think Jaquian Williams and Wagner would make tons of plays side by side for yrs to come...

3. Jeff Allen OT Illinois- Could help at T or G, and could be a find late 3rd, if still on board...

4. Ladarious Green TE La Tech- Tons of upside as a pass catcher, and Pope should be able to help his blocking down the line.. Green and Eli in the redzone is a scary thought for defenses...

4.(comp) Donnie Fletcher CB Boston College- Solid Value, and fits the Size the Giants like at CB... This has Reese Value pick written all over it..

5. Tom Compton OT S.Dakota St- Big upside, and great measuarables, and has performed well in offseason workouts.. Keep the depth growing on the oline... I think Compton could max out as a LT in the pros...

6. Scott Solomon DE Rice- I love this kid.. Hes one of my top sleepers, and would be perfect to fill the role that Tollefson held for us, as a rotational DE that can rush the passer...

7. Derek Moye WR Penn St- Give this kid a legit WR, and watch out.. He's gonna love having a QB who can actually get him the ball, if given a legit shot.. Moye will be a steal if drafted by Giants...

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thats a hot draft, ima buy it a drink and hit on it. Dont tell my wife.
[/quote] This might make u want to hit on it even more...lol

Utah State LB Bobby Wagner d***les during belated Pro Day

By Rob Rang | The Sports Xchange/CBSSports.com

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After being named the North Team's Most Outstanding Player in the Senior Bowl, Utah State linebacker Bobby Wagner had been expected to continue his rise up draft boards with an impressive showing at the 2012 Scouting Combine.

A bout with pneumonia instead landed him in an Arizona hospital and he wasn't able to perform drills for scouts until today's Pro Day workout. After an impressive all-around performance that would have ranked among the Combine's best among linebackers, his stock could once again be on the rise.

Wagner showed very good speed and incredible overall explosiveness throughout the workout. He was clocked at in the high 4.4s to low 4.5s on most watches, with a low time being 4.45 seconds. That mark would have beaten Cal's Mychal Kendricks' 4.45 time at the Combine. Wagner also matched Kendricks' 39.5" vertical jump, which led all linebackers at the Combine and posted a jaw-dropping 11'0 broad jump that not only beat all linebackers tested in Indianapolis (beating Kendricks' position-best effort by five inches), it was just one inch behind the best efforts put forth at the 2012 by any prospect. Georgia Tech wide receiver Stephen Hill and Central Florida cornerback Josh Robinson recorded broad jumps of 11'1".

Having not attended the Combine, Wagner's official height, weight, arm and hand sizes were an important piece of information to scouts. The Utah State linebacker measured in at 6-0 (3/8) and 235 pounds. His arm length was 33 inches. His wingspan was 78.5 inches. Wagner's hand was measured at 9.5 inches.

Wagner is currently NFLDraftScout.com's No. 6 rated outside linebacker. He finished tied for fourth in the country in total tackles this season (147) while playing middle linebacker for the Aggies and could remain at this position in the NFL. As the athleticism he demonstrated today proves, however, Wagner has the agility, speed and explosiveness to play outside in the 4-3, as well.

Casey Hayward, CB (5-11 1/4, 193) — Brett Maxie, current Dallas Cowboys secondary coach and a veteran of 13 NFL seasons as a safety, worked Hayward out during position drills. Hayward — who worked out at the combine — is a solid player who helped himself out during the workout, and figures to be selected in the lower half of the second round or early in the third round.

[/quote] I've said numerous times for months now, i think Hayward is the 2nd best CB in this draft after Claiborne... I thought at one point he would eventually rise into late 1st rd contention, and i think when said and done, his on field production is gonna be that of a 1st rder.. Doug Martin and Casey Hayward have been 2 of my favorite prospects since the season, and i;ve thought them both to be grossley underrated and just a matter of time before NFL teams nad Draft guru's start catching on, and for the most part, they have or are in the midst of doing so...[/quote]Heyward is one of my favorite players to cut videos for and I usually hate cutting CB's. Finally went over 1,000,000 views on my Jmpasq acount Over 1.5 Million total[/quote] Ya, Heyward has been one of my "rave" guys forever now.. I just think hes outstanding and just plays football really well.. Hes one of those guys ur gonna look back in 4yrs and wonder how the heck NFL teams let em go to RD 2.. I've said the same thing about Whitney Mercilus and Doug Martin, but at least both of them have a chance to go in RD 1, with Mercilus almost guranteed to go there.. A ton of my favorite players have tore up draft boards this yr.. I'm really feeling my fave's this yr, even more then most other yrs...

Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

Eagles holding a workout for Ryan Tannehill. Thats the best fit for him to land. Andy Reids offense has made Kevin Kolb and AJ Feely look good. Tannehill is 10 times for physically gifted then those guys.

Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

[quote user="Redeyejedi"]Eagles holding a workout for Ryan Tannehill. Thats the best fit for him to land. Andy Reids offense has made Kevin Kolb and AJ Feely look good. Tannehill is 10 times for physically gifted then those guys.[/quote] I would love him to land in Philly, instead of guys like Kucehly or Cox... I just don't see it in Tannehill, and would be stoked if thats the way they go..

Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

He didnt run sub 4.4, barely cracked 4.5.[/quote]Doesnt matter. He isnt that fast on the field anyway. He plays like a 4.60 guy in pads. Speed isnt the biggest deal with him anyway.[/quote]His weight is the issue. Which guy are you gonna get after he's drafted, the 213 lb Jeffery, or a 230+ pound Jeffery? Can't question his talent/ability and playmaking skills though.