On 13/06/08 at 13:33 +0200, Ana Guerrero wrote:
> I do care about what happens in whatever part of Debian on my packages, but
> not at what happens in derivated distros.
Personally, I do care about Debian derivatives, and possible problems
that users from derivatives encounter with my packages. On a few
occasions already, a bug in Ubuntu also affected my package in Debian,
but wasn't reported in the BTS, so I didn't know about it. So seeing
this bug on launchpad allowed me to improve my package in Debian.
> If somebody for $ANY derivative
> distro find a bug that affects to Debian, this person should report in the
> BTS or notify to Debian maintainers, whatever that works fine for both parts.
We both know that this doesn't scale well. Many Debian patches or bugs
are never pushed upstream, so we can't expect Ubuntu, who has a lot
less developers than we do, to be successful at that.
> Then you are only considering one Debian derivative when Debian has
> thousands, and we can not track all of them and not all of them have a easy
> tracking system, but there are some big ones besides Ubuntu that could be
> considered as well. For the KDE people a big derivative distro that uses KDE
> would be more interesting to track, for science people a derivative distro
> that is focused to science tools, and so on.
Do you have any derivative in mind?
> But not, aparently Ubuntu is the only derivative that matters.
Apparently, Ubuntu is the Debian derivative with the larger user base,
and also the larger number of poential bugs for Debian in its bug
tracking system. But if another derivative is interested in exporting
such data to Debian, I'll considering adapting the PTS code (I wrote the
patch for Ubuntu) so that it can be displayed as well.
> So please, remove the link to the ubuntu launchpad bugs and since some people
> think tracking derivated distros is interesting, make a new page, that can be
> visited optionally (or just forget about for who is not interested), where we
> can track whatever derivated distro people care about.
> Call it Debian Ecosystem Packaging Tracking System or something like that.
> You can start with Ubuntu there and if people is interested in another distros
> they will submit their patches, and if another distros are interested in being
> tracked, they will make it to be easy tracked.
Since so far, it seems that only Ubuntu is interest{ing,ed}, I don't
think that it's necessary to create a separate page. It's not using much
space on the PTS (and if you have suggestions for a layout that uses
even less space, please tell me).
Alternatively, someone who is motivated by that could provide a patch
that adds a javascript show/hide button, so the Ubuntu box could be
hidden by default.
> Heck! it could even track another distros, not only derivatives and being a
> first step for sharing patches across distributions, idea that is around without
> any implementation.
Are you willing to work on that?
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