Converter Compatibility Thread

There is not a converter for using a TE on a system other than the one it was designed for.

There is no USB to anything older. No USB to PS2, Dreamcast, etc. You must mod your stick with a MC Cthulhu or a second PCB.

If you want a stick that works on both Xbox 360 and PS3 (And PS2, Dreamcast, etc.) get a PS2 stick like a HRAP or Namco. You can then use converters to adapt it to various systems.

You can not plug a random USB controller or converter into either the Xbox 360 or PS2. The Xbox 360 only works with Xbox controllers due to its security scheme. The PS2 was never designed to accept it.

The PS1 Dual Shock has the best compatibility with converters. If you are building a custom stick then these are the way to go. The original, non-analog controllers have problems with most converters and are not recommended if you can avoid them.

Most custom PS1/PS2 sticks were made with Sony PCBs. When submitting a compatilibility report open your stick and see what kind of pad is inside. The Dual Shock pads have analog sticks. The original Digital pads do not.

There are three versions of the SFAC stick. Unscrew the bottom of the case to check the PCB before purchasing an adapter. Check next to the system cable for the voltage. It will read either 3.5V 7.5V or 8V. This number is indicated in the listing below whenever possible.

Please test your converter if it can be connected to a PC:

If you purchase a converter that's USB (PS2 to PS3, etc.) and want to test it for lag (on Windows) then download this application developed by SRK member Colac. It's straightforward to use once you get the hang of it.

To accurately test your adapter/converter, you need to:

1) Turn off vertical sync in your graphics card settings.

2) Using a key on your keyboard to run through the program once and record down the input lag time from your keyboard.

3) Plug your gamepad and stick through the adapter that you want to test into your PC. Then, use programs like (xpadder) to map a button on your gamepad or stick to the SAME key that you tested in step one. Run the program and record down the input lag again.

4) Subtract the two results you got from previous steps. If the difference is less than 2 ms (i.e., stick input lag - keyboard input lag <= 2ms), then your adapter can be considered as lag free.

PS2 to PS3/USB

Note: Sony is at it again with 3.5. The Real and HAIS are reportedly done for.

The 2.7 firmware update rendered the Sumoto and TAC adapters unusable with the PS3. This was corrected with 2.8. I'm hesitant to recommend them in light of this but they are working again.

The majority of these converters should also work on a PC without drivers (InPin, Pelican). If you only care about PC compatibility then the Super Joy Box 3 Pro was highly recommended. It does not work on the PS3.

*Recommended* Pelican: People claim that these are the only adapter to feature code from Sony. They have excellent compatibility with the exception of PS1 digital PCBs. They're by far the most expensive ($50+) but can occasionally be found used at GameStop for a few dollars.
Compatible with: PS2 DS, PS1 DS, HRAP 2, SFAC 3.5, Namco PS1, Saulabi
Incompatible with: PS1 Digital, SFAC 7.5V

HVG2: These are reportedly a good converter if your stick has a analog capabilities; like a custom with a PS1 DS. It will not work with a digital PCB like most consumer sticks have (HRAP).
Compatible With: PS2 DS, PS1 DS, Hori Fighting Stick, SFAC 3.5V, 7.5V
Incompatible with: PS1 Digital, Namco PS1, HRAP Series, Tekken 5, Pelican PS2, SFAC Pad
Reviews: Riotblade

DragonPlus: There were conflicting reports on this adapter. Most of its owners reported it as lagless. Press Up+Select for Home.
Compatible with: HRAP 2/SA, Namco PS1
Incompatible with: PS1 Digital, Tekken 5 stick

Cablesforpc: This is the one to get for owners of the SFAC stick with an 8V PCB. It allows two PS2 controllers to be connected.
Compatible with: PS1 DS, SFAC 3.5V, 8V, HRAP 1
Incompatible with: SFAC 7.5V
Reviews: Annihilationscape

TAC: These were reported to work well with SFAC and HRAP series. MarkMan and others reported that it has issues so I would avoid it in favor of something else. Hold Analog for Home.
Compatible with: PS2 DS, SFAC 3.5V, HRAP 1, HRAP 2/SA
Incompatible with: PS1 Digital

Real (Incompatible with 3.5): These were once all the rage but are now discontinued. They notably do not work with PS2 DS controllers.
Compatible with: PS1 DS, HRAP 2/SA, Namco PS1, SFAC, SFAC Pad
Incompatible with: PS2 DS

*Recommended* Controller Converter Pro by Blaze (?): This is an unmarked converter that is similar in appearance to the Blaze PS2-360. It notably does not require a 360 controller for passthrough. It reportedly works well with a HRAP3 and features similar compatibility to the Blaze.
Compatible with: PS2 DS, PS3 DS3, HRAP3, HRAP2, Namco T5, SFAC Pad
Incompatible with: MadCatz TE and SE, Pelican Universal

PS2 to Xbox 360

*Recommended* PS&PS2 to 360 converter (Xtokki360) by Tinybee: These converters, originally sold through Focalprice, are the best available option for PS2 to 360. They do not require an Xbox 360 controller for passthrough like the others listed below. They are also the only converter to feature a headset jack. They are sold by SRK member laugh. He is the recommended supplier because of Focalprice's questionable shipping. Analog or Select + L3 for Guide.
Compatible with: PS1 Digital, PS1 DS, PS2 DS, HRAP Series, Namco, Tekken 5, MC Cthulhu, Mayflash PS2/PS3, Tekken 4, Fighting Stick PS, ASCII Stick 3
Incompatible with:
Reviews: kaioshade, DrgnAK

The following converters require a wired 360 controller to bypass Microsoft's security scheme. A wireless controller with a Play & Charge cable will not work. Read Ikagi-chan's post for more information. The Blaze and Xtokki360 above feature a Microsoft security chip to bypass this requirement.

*Recommended* Xconverter 360 by Joytron: These were the best option until the introduction of the Xtokki360. They are now discontinued. Previously sold by SRK member laugh who brought us the InPin. Analog = Guide.
Compatible with: PS1 Digital, PS1 DS, PS2 DS, HRAP Series, Tekken 5, MAS, Namco, SFAC 3.5, SFAC Controller
Incompatible with:
Reviews: laugh, Ikagi-chan, Gamecop

XFPS by XCM: There are a few revisions of this adapter but I can't recommend it at all. It reportedly lags and/or drops input even with a real Sony PS1 or PS2 controller. The OP repeatedly trashes them earlier on in the thread. There are 10 negative posts for every positive I could find. Read this, this, this, this, this, and this before deciding to spend your money on one of these.
Compatible with: Sony PS2, PS1 DS
Incompatible with: Namco PS1, HRAP 2

*Recommended* Total Control Plus: These are usually recommended since they're readily available. Toggle the switches on it to change the triggers.
Compatible with: Sony DS 2, HRAP, HRAP 2, SFAC, Tekken 5
Incompatible with: Some MAS sticks

Magic Path II by EMS: These apparently work equally as well as the Cube JoyBox. They're also reported to work fine with Tatsunoko vs. Capcom.
Compatible with: PS2 DS, HRAP
Incompatible with:

Game Elements (eBay): This is the converter I've happily used for years. It works great on the GameCube/Wii as well as the Xbox. ArcadeStickMonk used it as well.
Compatible with: PS2 DS, PS1 DS, SFAC 3.5V, HRAP 2 SA, MAS
Incompatible with: PS1 Digital (works on Xbox) SFAC 8V, Tekken 5 (Works on Xbox), SFAC Controller

X-Connection by Innovation: I would think the Innovation name would guarantee this one a winner, but it reportedly doesn't work with certain games or the HRAP 2.
Compatible with:
Incompatible with: HRAP 2

PS2 to Saturn, SNES, etc.

A company called ToToTEK makes a wide variety of PS2 to classic system adapters. There's one for 3DO, Neo-Geo, Famicom (NES), FC2003 (?), Saturn, GameCube, SNES, PC Engine (TurboGrafx-16), and Genesis (Mega Drive). They reportedly work well from everything I've read.

Saturn to Xbox

*Recommended* Xbox Magic Box: This works great with an official Sega pad. There isn't a Select button for Insert Coin but some Xbox emulators like FB Alpha allow it to be remapped. Only problem is that they're hard to find.
Compatible with: Model 2 (Japanese style) Sega Saturn Pad
Incompatible with: Nights Analog Pad

Saturn to PS2

*Recommended* Keio Console Converters: These are a godsend for people wanting to use their Saturn pads on other systems. They can be chained to other converters for use on the Xbox 360, PS3, etc.
Compatible with: Model 2 (Japanese style) Sega Saturn Pad, HSS-0130
Incompatible with:

Xbox to USB (Not PS3)

The original Xbox uses a USB connector with a funky male end. Female Xbox to male USB adapters can be had on eBay for a few dollars. No conversion is necessary. This reportedly works fine for the SFAC stick.

Xbox 360 to USB (Not PS3)

Xbox 360 sticks/controllers work fine on Windows using Microsoft's drivers. They're available for both 32-bit and 64-bit.

Comments

As shoo has requested, here is the thread that will list the best adapters/converters for the most commonly asked about and used systems. At this point in time this is by no means the definitive thread about this topic, but hopefully with the help and combined knowledge of the SRK community we can turn this into one.

If I have missed anything or made any mistakes feel free to post or PM and I will update this as soon as I can. So enough talk let's get the ball rolling...

***PS1/2 to PS3***

inPin ~ $20 + ShippingNo website, send a pm to SRK member laugh
Pros : Works just as well as a Pelican (MarkMan), is not discontinued, much cheaper and easier to get
Cons : Only available in Korea of from laugh (but he is cool so don't worry :tup:)

colac has come up with a program that will show you how many ms it takes for the computer to respond to your controller on the PC. Multiple SRKers have tried it already, so don't worry about a virus or spyware. Here is the direct link to download it:

1) Using a key on your keyboard to run through the program once and record down the input lag time from your keyboard.

2) Plug your gamepad and stick through the adapter that you want to test into your PC. Then, use programs like (xpadder) to map a button on your gamepad or stick to the SAME key that you tested in step one. Run the program and record down the input lag again.

3) Subtract the two results you got from previous steps. If the difference is less than 2 ms (i.e., stick input lag - keyboard input lag <= 2ms), then your adapter can be considered as lag free.

***Random Notes***

As of right now there is nothing that will let you use PS3 controllers of any sort on a PS1 or 2. This also pertains to anything with a USB connection.

Not all USB items are compatible even if there is a USB plug. PS3 and 360 controllers will work on a PC, but PS3 or any other controller WILL NOT work on a 360.

Keep in mind that performance of some adapters also depends on the PCB of your stick. For example, some adapters will work perfectly if you are using an official Sony PCB, but if you are using a HRAP or SFAC for instance, you may experience lag or other problems.

If there is an adapter you are interested in that is not in this list, please post here instead of making a new thread! Don't make shoo mad! If there is enough interest in it PM me and I will add it to this post.

The original Xbox uses a USB connector with a funky male end. Female Xbox to male USB adapters can be had on eBay for a few dollars. No conversion is necessary. This reportedly works fine for the SFAC stick.

That question immediately sprung to my mind when I saw that. The SFAC stick is so hit and miss (doesn't work on InPin) that it would be nice if people could get a $5 Xbox to USB adapter and be done with it.

My problem is that my SFAC is now using a PS1 DS and 360 PCB. I may order one, hook my original PCB back up and test it.

Here's an eBay link for an example. This guy has a ton of them for $7 with free shipping.

That question immediately sprung to my mind when I saw that. The SFAC stick is so hit and miss (doesn't work on InPin) that it would be nice if people could get a $5 Xbox to USB adapter and be done with it.

My problem is that my SFAC is now using a PS1 DS and 360 PCB. I may order one, hook my original PCB back up and test it.

Here's an eBay link for an example. This guy has a ton of them for $7 with free shipping.

acutally it won't work, the original xbox controller requires drivers.

Here is an input lag test for the TAC PS2-PS3 adapter with a Street Fighter 15th anniversary stick by Nubytech, I've posted this a couple of times already.

Thanks. Can you double check this:

From what I noticed, the lag frame drops occur when trying to input a directional motion in quick succession + a button input (dashing jabs, also shining wizards).

It sounds like it would lag with a Shoryuken. Can you confirm that you haven't experienced any screwiness like that? Could you also test it with a PS2 controller, PS1 DS and an old PS1 Digital pad if you have them? There wasn't much information on it.

The game elements converter actually had a problem with a third party PSX controller(It didnt have any analog sticks on it) I had. Inputs weren't registering correctly (up becomes start bla bla bla).

Yeah, the controllers without analog sticks have problems with almost all of the converters. I probably sound a little biased toward those GE, but I've been using two of them on my Xbox for the past 3-4 years.

I'll go grab an original PS1 controller without the analogs tomorrow from the pawn shop for testing. I had one in storage but I couldn't find it. My HRAP 2 SA should also (hopefully) be in. I'll test it on the adapters I have as well.

The HRAP 2 SA came in this afternoon and worked with all of my converters so I updated the OP. Unfortunately there was a problem with the PCB and it's now (hopefully) going back to the seller. :sad: Blah! I'll order a new one if I get another one of these.

Does anyone know if the HRAP 2 and SA use the same PCB? It sounds like a dumb question because I would assume they do.

I thought this would have come up sooner but I'll gladly address it. Check the last 20 pages of that thread (I continue to post there). My name is spammed all over the place. The OP hasn't touched it in six months and I got tired of repeatedly trying to convince people that the XFPS is a terrible product. I spent a full two days compiling everything that you see here. I'm trying to establish the converter X works with stick X.

Anyone know if wireless PS1/2 controllers work with PS1-to-PS3/Xbox/GC adapters?

I don't own any wireless PS2 controllers but I'll get one if they're cheap enough. What's a decent one that has rumble? The Logitechs? Wal-mart carried these at one point but I'm not sure if they still sell PS2 accessories. I can check out GameStop as well after work.

Here are input lag test results for 8 buttons on the SFAC stick with a TAC adapter. Please note that I left out the start and select buttons, these buttons don't really need a lag test plus the buttons work fine.
Formula: keyboard-arcade stick=average ms

Kyle, are the results of your front page the same tested results from Tl613's, and you just copied and pasted + rewrote or did you test them yourself/ see the reviews of others. Because there are only a few people I would trust for testing converters and the ones on tl613's first page are all legit and proven.

Hey guys, I noticed in this thread that some converters work with the Namco Arcade stick. I still have a Hori Real Arcade PS (psone) stick, which if I remember correctly, came out around the same time. Is that what is referred to as a HRAP1? Do converters work fine with it?

Kyle, are the results of your front page the same tested results from Tl613's, and you just copied and pasted + rewrote or did you test them yourself/ see the reviews of others. Because there are only a few people I would trust for testing converters and the ones on tl613's first page are all legit and proven.

Look at my write-up for the TAC converter. It's not even recommended and is the last one listed because of MarkMan's review. I have no reason to doubt that it works fine for the SFAC.

If you see something wrong, tell me and I'll fix it... even more so if I've recommended something that sucks. The countless converters that people claimed lagged or dropped input are not even listed here with the exception of the prominent ones like the XFPS.

Hey guys, I noticed in this thread that some converters work with the Namco Arcade stick. I still have a Hori Real Arcade PS (psone) stick, which if I remember correctly, came out around the same time. Is that what is referred to as a HRAP1? Do converters work fine with it?

Kyle,

The hori real arcade ps stick is not the hori real arcade pro 1 stick. Hori Real Arcade PS stick was released during the lifetime of the PS1 while the Hori Real Arcade Pro 1 was released in July 2004 according to hori's site.

The hori real arcade ps stick is not the hori real arcade pro 1 stick. Hori Real Arcade PS stick was released during the lifetime of the PS1 while the Hori Real Arcade Pro 1 was released in July 2004 according to hori's site.

Thanks for the correction. I'll plea ignorance in that case. People usually said that it worked with either their HRAP or HRAP 1. I'd need to know if there's a difference in their PCB or hear from someone who owns both. I would imagine that they're similar enough to have the same compatibility.

BigEd80 and Kyle: thanks for clearing things up for me. I bought a Logic3 ps2-ps3 adapter, seems to work properly with my aforementioned psone Hori. It also works fine with my friend's Namco Stick. I doubt peeps still use sticks that old, though. I'll test it some more this weekend.

^ Does the Sumoto come with vibration support? It does have a PS button though right?

Since the inPins are still out of stock I might go with either that or the HAIS. However the list doesn't say if they're compatible with a PS1 DS. Can anyone confirm they do or do not?

Also everyone who've tested converters for lag are you all testing for dropped inputs as well? I mean, you only have to press one button for that input test program, but during actual gameplay you're moving the stick and pressing multiple buttons in quick succession. Might create lag.

^ Does the Sumoto come with vibration support? It does have a PS button though right?

Also everyone who've tested converters for lag are you all testing for dropped inputs as well? I mean, you only have to press one button for that input test program, but during actual gameplay you're moving the stick and pressing multiple buttons in quick succession. Might create lag.

I haven't tried the Sumoto with a Dual Shock yet, just a Hori Tekken 5 stick, and it does have a PS button, as well as 4 directional buttons (?). As for dropped inputs I haven't taken it into training mode yet, but I used it for gameplay and did special moves, combos and 3 button supers without issue for over an hour. I'll make a little time to run it through the wringer later, but my initial impression is very good.

HAIS: Press Up+Select on the D-PAD to access the XMB menu. Press the DualShock's Analog button or press and hold Up+Select to access the PS system menu. This one has a PS button on the adapter, 4 LEDs, and a memory card slot.

Yobo: Works the same as HAIS except has no PS button on the adapter, LEDs, or mem card slot.

The Ant Commandos/Rock Commandos: Press the Analog button to access the XMB menu, press and hold the Analog button to access the system menu. Up+Select does nothing. This one has 4 LEDs.

Hyperkin: Press the Analog button once to access the XMB menu, double-press the Analog button to access the system menu. This one has 4 LEDs. Up+Select does nothing.

Sumoto: same as Hyperkin but also has a PS button on the actual adapter along with 4 directional buttons (so you can use the menus from the adapter itself). This one has 4 LEDs. Up+Select does nothing.

Tinybee: Press the Analog button once or Press Up+Select to access the XMB menu, double-press the Analog button or Press and hold Up+Select to access the system menu. This one has 4 LEDs.

PC Type: These adapters were made for PC USB (not PS3), and have no PS button functions. You don't have to activate these adapters like you do with all of the others above (I think that these adapters are seen by the system as a PS2 gamepad, whereas the others are seen as a PS3 gamepad). The Analog button acts as just that. The DragonPlus v1, Super Dual Box Advance (Jietron), and PIII Model 538 are all this type. As far as I can tell, any PS2-PC USB adapter will work like this.

Now I'm no serious tournament player, but DO I know what a laggy stick feels like, and I really couldn't be more impressed with this converter. It's taken everything I've thrown at it and hasn't even hiccuped, and that includes just swapping controllers and sticks all willy-nilly all night to see if I could feel a difference. I haven't used the other good one yet, but I can't see it being too much better than this.

Quality seems good, the cable is a little short but not too stubby, and it doesn't support rumble. That's really the only down side I can see to the Sumoto!

I had a busy weekend without much opportunity to troll SRK. The OP should pretty much be up to date with everyone's submissions. I also added some PS1 Digital testing I did as well as other info I've come across. Thanks for all of the recent posts.

Yobo: I'll get this one added soon since a few people apparently own it.
Hyperkin, Tinybee: I couldn't find enough posts on these to do a write-up.

MarkMan also mentioned that this thread may get merged into the other converter thread. Obviously that hasn't happened but I hope I still have the ability to edit my posts.

I'll buy a HAIS (dealextreme) and test it out. I was going to go with the sumoto but the hais select+up feature is a really great feature. The REAL adapter has the same feature and I use it all the time! If the HAIS works just as good as my REAL I'll be selling my REAL and be buying a couple HAIS!

It should be noted that the REAL is kinda flimsy. It unhooks out of the USB socket really quickly.. as in it doesn't hold tight. Also, I left one in the car for an hour and the USB head melted.. seems to be made of cheap aluminium or something lol.