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Like everything in my life, I did not consider half-way measures in my three experiences with the gym. It always seemed the better the results in some areas, the more blatant my flaws appeared in others. It turned out that obsessively attaining tight abs and perky pecs activated each and every one of my self-criticism switches until nothing was ever enough.

Stepping off that treadmill, figuratively and literally was, for me, healthier than my grim perfectionism.

As for the other stuff: I still smoke like a chimney. Aside from alcohol, the occasional (purloined) benzo, and copious quantities of unprotected sex, it's the only vice I have left.

Brent(Who tries to keep his priorities in order)

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Blessed with brains, talent and gorgeous tits.

The revolutionary smart set reads The Spin Cycle at least once every day.

I love reading this thread about everybody watching what they eat or going off their normal diets. I guess with my problems, I'm lucky since at every doctor visit they encourage me to eat anything and everything I can. They are alway so happy when I gain a pound or two.

I never got the whole root beer float thing. I'm much prefer a milkshake ... perferably mint (made with creme de menthe)

AA

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It is not the arrival that matters. It is the journey along the way. -- Michel Montaigne

Oh, are you in a wasting period dear? Philicia's home remedy for that was Toll House chocolate chip cookie dough. Don't bother baking more than half the cookies -- just east the dough.

Milkshakes are definitely good too. And if you can afford it Myoplex protein shakes are quite helpful, and more nutritious.

Oh, and of course bi-monthly injections of Deca-Durabolin. That last bit will make you super horny, so if you don't have a BF or fuck buddy you'll need to buy a really large dildo and a bottle of poppers.

I got it from my ASO, who got if from the Indiana Food Bank. It's absolutely delish.

I remember as a kid growing up, my mother getting the government cheese. I think she also used to get powdered milk and of course peanut butter. My father at that time was not that supportive.( five of us) I think in those days, it was given out at the local fire stations.

Quote Betty:"I have some absolutely fabulous government cheese in my frig now I'm thinking about getting into later."...............................Hey Betty, That cheese makes the most wonderful macaroni and cheese!! If you want my receipe PM me.

I carried a 7.2lb bag of charcoal all the way from the supermarket to my car and from the car to the house. That should counter balance nicely the burgers, baked beans (homemade) and brownies I'll consume today. Did I mention I love track suits?

I used to own a fab Sergio Tacchini tack suit back in the early 90's and put it on and show up at the club with a huge pair of those ghetto gold door knocker earrings and a baseball cap. The queens would live.

I do my own version of binge and purge . I'm extremely good during the week with diet and exercise , then come Saturday and sunday I eat like a pig . I'm lucky that I have a high metabolism , I can eat what ever I want and not gain weight . The flip side is its taken a toll on my cholesterol and lipids over the years so now I have too run like a maniac on the treadmill just to keep my blood sugar down .

The flip side is its taken a toll on my cholesterol and lipids over the years so now I have too run like a maniac on the treadmill just to keep my blood sugar down .

Honey, what does blood sugar have to do with cholesterol and triglycerides? Are you a borderline diabetic as well? Oh, FYI, I also exercise during the week to try to control my blood sugar; though I still have to take Insulin and pills (Glucophage).

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I've never killed anyone, but I frequently get satisfaction reading the obituary notices.-Clarence Darrow

Honey, what does blood sugar have to do with cholesterol and triglycerides? Are you a borderline diabetic as well? Oh, FYI, I also exercise during the week to try to control my blood sugar; though I still have to take Insulin and pills (Glucophage).

Yeah , I forgot to mention the fact I have type 2 diabetes . I take 3 metformin pills a day .

I tease them that things must be pretty bad when you have to get a guy with aids to come over and do your chores .

That is funny, but kinda sad! I rake elderly yards around here for volunteer work and it makes me laugh when they comment how I could come and do thier yard when I have trip lets at home, if they only knew what else I have I have a hard time getting motivated to workout in the winter months, I am waiting for the rain to stop so I can get out and walk again, would rather go hiking but I don't have anyone to go with.What exactly is chicken fried steak?I love root beer but not with ice cream and can't stand Dr. Pepper, it's got a funny after taste.As far as taking your meds, for me, it was hard as hell 15 years ago to keeping taking meds that day after day made me feel like shit but I understood that if I didn't I might be even worse off. There are so many things that factor in to a individual choices you can't really say what they should or shouldn't do unless you are in their shoes.

Snowangel....Chicken fried steak is beef that has been tenderized by pounding it flat . You can buy it at the supermarket already tenderized . Its easy and quick to make . I soak mine in buttermilk for an hour , salt & pepper it , then roll it in flour . then just fry it in a shallow amount of hot oil . I then use the drippings to make brown gravy and put the friedsteak into the gravy to simmer for 5 minutes topped with green scallions .

How do you know these "lots and lots" of poz men aren't working to take careof their bodies? Are you judging just based on outward appearances? Lookscan be deceiving, especially when one has HIV.

And, moreover, what business is it of yours what others do with their bodies?

Regards,

Henry

Henry, call me superficial but yes 90% of the hiv poisitive gay men that i have come across are either obise or totally underweight due to not eating and taking recrenational drugs,

i ant a bitch at all, i do look after myself go to the gym eat a very healthy diet and am 11.5 stone with a defined body, it would be good to meet another hiv poz lad that is into looking after himself

and its none of my business, but hey i live in a free country and am able to speak my mind and thoughts.

I'm not trying to challange you here...I'm just curious about your perspective.

(Oops...looked up your profile...I see you're 33. How long positive? Are you on meds? If so, how long have you been on meds?)

am 33,been poz since december 07 all my results are in my signature , personally how long you have been poz should not come into acount for people just looking after themselves and trying to be the best they can.

Henry, call me superficial but yes 90% of the hiv poisitive gay men that i have come across are either obise or totally underweight due to not eating and taking recrenational drugs,

i ant a bitch at all, i do look after myself go to the gym eat a very healthy diet and am 11.5 stone with a defined body, it would be good to meet another hiv poz lad that is into looking after himself

and its none of my business, but hey i live in a free country and am able to speak my mind and thoughts.

90% of the positive men you meet are obese or underweight (due to drugs, naturally)! I find that hard to believe.

Cliff

And for the love of God, please try out the forum's spell check feature!

There are of course all sorts of reasons why people - positive or negative - might not want to hit the gym. As others have said, it might be because they can't afford it, have side effects, can't fit it in around work etc. But I think what Simon was driving at is that there are some people who, following their diagnosis, go into a downward self-destructive spiral, probably because of the psychological impact of their diagnosis.

I have a friend who has done just that. Since his diagnosis, he has been hitting the drugs way too hard, partying too hard, has lost about half his body weight and been hospitalised three times. And it's not like his numbers are particularly bad, he's just not taking good care of himself. I think it's the "what the Hell, the worst has happened, I may as well go out with a bang" mentality. I also have a couple of friends who are now about twice the weight they used to be; at first they tried blaming it on lipo, but since they've been assured by their doc that it isn't lipo, the real reason is because they've spent the last few years sitting on their arses in front of the TV eating cake. Of course, if that's what makes them happy, great; but they're not happy about it. They spend a lot of time complaining that they're "too fat to go out" but won't (not can't) do anything about it.

Exactly what i ment !! btw did you have a good night last night? Mitigating factors aside, I find it hard to understand anyone *not* wanting to take extra care of themselves post diagnosis, especially if they are - all things considered - perfectly able to do so. Personally I took it as a wake up call 'cos I was determined I wasn't going to let HIV get the edge over me. I did join a gym (after getting my side effects under control) and am now fitter and healthier than I've ever been. But there does seem to be a culture in the UK at the moment of not looking after oneself, whether positive or not. Just look at the number of obese kids we have, though that's hardly surprising considering that most kids' idea of a good time seems to be sitting in front of a Playstation with a Big Mac and large fries.

this is exactly what i mean, why do poz gay men feel like they have a chip on there shoulder either go round fucking everything that moves to infect or go into recluse get fat take drugs to get the infection out of there minds and end up looking dreadful

Because when we kicked your tyrannical anti-republican (little "r" please) asses out of the colonies centuries ago we decided to do what we wanted, even if it made no sense. It's the same reason we prefer coffee over tea, and call our Anglican churches Episcopalian.

this is exactly what i mean, why do poz gay men feel like they have a chip on there shoulder either go round fucking everything that moves to infect or go into recluse get fat take drugs to get the infection out of there minds and end up looking dreadful

The word 'Yankee' (or just Yank as it's more commonly abbreviated to) is a term widely (albeit inaccurately) used by people from outside the US to refer to any US citizen. Most people using the term probably aren't aware of its connotations within the context of the American Civil War, and that a US citizen from the southern states might find it particularly odd to be referred to as a Yankee.

Indeed. I just take care to indulge in a monthly "pamper Philicia day" ŗ la Lady Di and schedule a high colonic to clean out the lil' nasties.

When I get the 'blues,' I get on down to The Total Health Connection and get hooked up with a refreshing high colonic purge. Take it from me, Philicia Hilton, nothing restores the complexion, invigorates the mind, and cleanses the soul better than a king-size dump. That's why nearly two thirds of the celebrities in Hollywoodóbeautiful people like Brad Pitt, Jennifer Aniston, Tara Reid, Lindsay Lohan, and Kimberly Stewartórely on high colonics to keep them on the go.

Perhaps you're wondering just what this high colonic business is all about. Well, let me tell you, it's better than sex, and I should know. A high colonic is warm, wonderful, and entirely painlessóand best of all, you don't have to miss any important calls on your cell phone. Besides, it's quick. In no more than an hour you'll be back in your Mercedes, ready to hit Decades or The Gucci Store.