I have to wonder if this guy actually has ever seen any of the things that he's dismissing as inappropriate for, let's be honest, sexual content. If it is a relationship blog, then yeah it is going to be inappropriate for chillun', gay or straight. If it is just a blog where gay parents talk about gay parent challenges, then no it isn't.

And there won't be any real reason to talk about sex among Scouts than there is now, i.e. preventing and reporting of molestation. Jeez, dude, before launching a nationwide campaign against something, do a little research. The only thing that really "tells" on most gay adults is what their partner looks like.

factoryconnection:I have to wonder if this guy actually has ever seen any of the things that he's dismissing as inappropriate for, let's be honest, sexual content. If it is a relationship blog, then yeah it is going to be inappropriate for chillun', gay or straight. If it is just a blog where gay parents talk about gay parent challenges, then no it isn't.

And there won't be any real reason to talk about sex among Scouts than there is now, i.e. preventing and reporting of molestation. Jeez, dude, before launching a nationwide campaign against something, do a little research. The only thing that really "tells" on most gay adults is what their partner looks like.

To guys like this, a framed picture of your same sex partner on your desk is flaunting your homosexuality. Basically even acknowledging that you're gay is TMI.

I've heard this logic before, namely when my bio dad tried to prevent me from telling my little sister I'm bi, or when she asked what I learned in Anthro class and I said 'third gender'. Because just hearing the words will spread the contagion that is bisexuality\transsexuality, and we must protect our children from this.

As I told the neighbor's kid. "Yeah, I said fark. It's just a word. People are afraid of words because they don't have the minds to get over them.Don't you say it or some poor grownup's head will assplode.Yeah, I said Assplode, It's just a word.People are afraid of words because they don't have the minds to get over them.Don't you say it or some poor grownup's will shait bricks.Yeah, I said shiat, It's just a word. People are afraid of words because they don't have the minds to get over them".

At which point he realizes he's being lectured and says, "OKOK, ENough!! I GET IT!"

Everyone knows you can catch the gay, why else do you think Homeland Security told us all those years ago to invest in plastic sheeting and duct tape. Sometimes I have to seal up the livingtoom before it creeps in under the door and ruins my family.

CSBI recently asked my 10 year old son if he had heard that gay marriage was now legal (we live in Minnesota).son: "I thought gay marriage was always allowed."me: "No, they just passed it yesterday. Gay marriage was illegal here before that."son: "No, they've always had gay marriage. You were always able to have a happy marriage."me: "Ha, ha, ha. No son, I'm afraid that's just a myth."

A few weekends ago, at an LDS father-son camp, we sang (among many other songs) "Kookaburra sits in the old gum tree":

Kookaburra sits in the old gum treeMerry, merry king of the bush is heLaugh, Kookaburra! Laugh, Kookaburra!Gay your life must be

Not one person mentioned, or had an issue with, the last line of that verse. Everyone understood the context. There wasn't any reason to censor the song. It never occurred to me that it might be an issue for someone. The kids ranged from 2 to 16 or so.

The only reason we sang it was because one of the dads was Australian. Obviously the kids were smart enough to understand the context, with the word meaning happy.

"You look at anything that has the word 'gay' on it in our culture," Stemberger explained, "A gay magazine, a gay blog, a gay website, a gay parade, you name it, it's gonna be guaranteed to be inappropriate for kids."

---What about the gay kids though?

Pretty much every movie I watched until I was 15 or so was basically a heterosexual love story.

And yet somehow I didn't turn out hetero-sexual. Self-loathing and partially suicidal maybe but it didn't change my sexuality at all.

ISO15693:A few weekends ago, at an LDS father-son camp, we sang (among many other songs) "Kookaburra sits in the old gum tree":

Kookaburra sits in the old gum treeMerry, merry king of the bush is heLaugh, Kookaburra! Laugh, Kookaburra!Gay your life must be

Not one person mentioned, or had an issue with, the last line of that verse. Everyone understood the context. There wasn't any reason to censor the song. It never occurred to me that it might be an issue for someone. The kids ranged from 2 to 16 or so.

The only reason we sang it was because one of the dads was Australian. Obviously the kids were smart enough to understand the context, with the word meaning happy.

As opposed to the other version, which talks about the Queen of the bush.

Diogenes:Wellon Dowd: As a Scout leader I'd advise anyone to keep their sons out of a troop that discusses the leaders' sexuality, whatever it is.

THIS

That. I'm very happy I was in a troop that really didn't care one way or another. Perhaps it helped that our troop was not sponsored by a church, or any other organization for that matter so we had nobody to answer to.

I've been described as a pervert and deviant. I'm straight, married for over a year, been with only one woman for the past 5 years. Anyone can be a filthy perv, "the gheys" don't have that market cornered. (But I'm also one of those crazy equal rights guys, so maybe I'm just part of the deviant crowd).

Wellon Dowd:As a Scout leader I'd advise anyone to keep their sons out of a troop that discusses the leaders' sexuality, whatever it is.

A straight scout leader could say, "My wife and I camped here last summer," without raising an eyebrow. A gay scout leader (LOLWUT?) could not say, "My husband and I went camping here last summer," because that would be discussing their sexuality.

BitwiseShift:Lucky for those left-handed scouts who joined after they stopped chopping off left-hands of sinister people. It took proving that lefties don't cause lefties. Most know they're born that way, Dexter.

namegoeshere:Wellon Dowd: As a Scout leader I'd advise anyone to keep their sons out of a troop that discusses the leaders' sexuality, whatever it is.

A straight scout leader could say, "My wife and I camped here last summer," without raising an eyebrow. A gay scout leader (LOLWUT?) could not say, "My husband and I went camping here last summer," because that would be discussing their sexuality.

did your autocorrect turn "vacation" into "sexuality" at the end there, or are you just an asshole?

stampylives:namegoeshere: Wellon Dowd: As a Scout leader I'd advise anyone to keep their sons out of a troop that discusses the leaders' sexuality, whatever it is.

A straight scout leader could say, "My wife and I camped here last summer," without raising an eyebrow. A gay scout leader (LOLWUT?) could not say, "My husband and I went camping here last summer," because that would be discussing their sexuality.

did your autocorrect turn "vacation" into "sexuality" at the end there, or are you just an asshole?

What the hell are you babbling about?? The op said that scout leaders should not discuss their sexuality with the scouts. I said, such a small thing as mentioning a same-sex spouse could be interpreted as discussing sexuality, although a straight scout leader mentioning his wife would not be seen as discussing his sexuality.

BitwiseShift:Lucky for those left-handed scouts who joined after they stopped chopping off left-hands of sinister people. It took proving that lefties don't cause lefties. Most know they're born that way, Dexter.

Dunno. I'm left handed and my kid is left handed. Maybe being in the same proximity as my lefthandedness caused the poor impressionable boy to become left handed. Fundamentally, it's a choice, you know. Even if he has left handed inclinations because of my poor qualities, he should have the decency to use his right hand.

The byline of this likely repressed homosexual's activist group, On My Honor, is "To keep Politics and Sexuality out of Scouting". He chosen method?- Start up a political group focussing on sexuality for scouting.

Attention all straight people with children, anything with the word "gay" in it is "inappropriate for kids," says anti-gay activist John Stemberger who is fighting to keep you-know-what out of the Boy Scouts

Walter Paisley:Attention all straight people with children, anything with the word "gay" in it is "inappropriate for kids," says anti-gay activist John Stemberger who is fighting to keep you-know-what out of the Boy Scouts

How did the word gay evolve into meaning homosexual? From a simple definition of "happy", I really can't imagine how in the world it started to mean a person's sexual orientation. Were homosexuals back then very happy and cheerful all the time, and that's why the word gay changed its meaning? Why is it that females who love females are called lesbians, even though sometimes people refer to them as "gay"? Don't homosexual men get to have a special word made for them like the lesbians?

GreenSun:How did the word gay evolve into meaning homosexual? From a simple definition of "happy", I really can't imagine how in the world it started to mean a person's sexual orientation. Were homosexuals back then very happy and cheerful all the time, and that's why the word gay changed its meaning? Why is it that females who love females are called lesbians, even though sometimes people refer to them as "gay"? Don't homosexual men get to have a special word made for them like the lesbians?

I would assume it's a term originally applied to flaming gay guys that today some might call "Fabulous!!" with arms in the air and feather boas and such.

It reminded me of articles I read many, many years ago by the KKK, Union Organizers trying to get a union in somewhere, stuff from the McCarthy era (for you 'kids', McCarthy was a congressman who single handedly managed to promote a reign of terror in the US over Communism that ruined more lives and terrorized more people than anything since) and things written by assorted religious fanatics.

GreenSun:How did the word gay evolve into meaning homosexual? From a simple definition of "happy", I really can't imagine how in the world it started to mean a person's sexual orientation. Were homosexuals back then very happy and cheerful all the time, and that's why the word gay changed its meaning? Why is it that females who love females are called lesbians, even though sometimes people refer to them as "gay"? Don't homosexual men get to have a special word made for them like the lesbians?

It never had that "simple definition". It was also meant 'bright and showy' and has always been linked to immorality (which makes me happy when conservatives attempt to take the word back) . And like many words - definitions evolve and change over time.

I wonder if anyone has asked the actual boys in Scouts what they think of the situation? They are most likely more sexually knowledgeable (virgins or not) than most assume. We often dismiss or underestimate the "sexual education" that kids these days are exposed to. Their voice should be heard.

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist:To guys like this, a framed picture of your same sex partner on your desk is flaunting your homosexuality. Basically even acknowledging that you're gay is TMI.

Yeah, it doesn't take much for some people to accuse others of "flaunting" it. What about when I dare kiss a girl in public (I'm a straight guy). Am I too "flaunting" my heterosexuality? And if so, why legions of gay people mad at me for doing it?

The good news is that by and large, these types are a dying breed. Literally and culturally. I can't remember the last person I met under a certain age that made a big deal about teh homoghey. It's 2013, dude, and the world is advancing without you whether you like it or not.

I lol'd. I don't know if they still do group showers in schools, but as late as the early 90s (when I was in high school), that's how you showered after football practice. It was awkward because you had to do anything possible to not make eye contact with another guy's penis. I don't mean that to say that I'd be repulsed by it; it's just the unspoken rule not to be broken and sometimes when you turned around there was an unexpected dick right in front of you. After a few times in the shower you learn to just stop a giving a damn about being surrounded by penises. However, you never stared even if it was out of curiosity (half of human history can be explained as men comparing dick sizes).

"Thanks Alex [my dick also hanging out]." And then you just take a shower.

I imagine that groups showers no longer occur because of guys like the one in TFA being terrified that someone would be attracted to his son. Well, guess what bro - gay men have been looking at penises in group showers for as long as such showers have existed. Just as they've always been in the military and team sports. That it's 2013 and far fewer people care about teh ghey doesn't mean everyone suddenly turned fabulous overnight.

dickfreckle:Lorelle: This is perfectly acceptable, because "gay" isn't in it:

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I lol'd. I don't know if they still do group showers in schools, but as late as the early 90s (when I was in high school), that's how you showered after football practice. It was awkward because you had to do anything possible to not make eye contact with another guy's penis. I don't mean that to say that I'd be repulsed by it; it's just the unspoken rule not to be broken and sometimes when you turned around there was an unexpected dick right in front of you. After a few times in the shower you learn to just stop a giving a damn about being surrounded by penises. However, you never stared even if it was out of curiosity (half of human history can be explained as men comparing dick sizes).

"Thanks Alex [my dick also hanging out]." And then you just take a shower.

I imagine that groups showers no longer occur because of guys like the one in TFA being terrified that someone would be attracted to his son. Well, guess what bro - gay men have been looking at penises in group showers for as long as such showers have existed. Just as they've always been in the military and team sports. That it's 2013 and far fewer people care about teh ghey doesn't mean everyone suddenly turned fabulous overnight.

Believe it or not, I don't actually have a freckle on my sadly average penis. The handle started as something of an inside joke after a girlfriend and her relatives got hold of my old login (because I gave it to them while drunk) but I kept using this one, which means my reputation (such as it is) is now to tied to this name. I want to change it but would hate having to spend two years rebuilding a reputation in the Fark.com community.

I'm dickfreckle all over the 'tubes. Now that I'm stuck with it, why the hell not.

Also, "Alex" is not my real name. But I needed a fake one when telling personal stories.

I'm guessing the son isn't gay. He tries to be all sly, but you can tell he's into the boobies. Then again, who isn't?

/I might not be no psychiatrist, I'm guessing that the kids watching a show with a gay person won't make them gay. Will & Grace annoyed the shiat out of me, though. Something about that gay Sambo character pissed me the hell off... mostly about the Sambo-ness, and not the gay-ness.

Why then can or can't I do or say the same thing about "Christians?" I could argue that (the forced) teaching of "Christianity" violates my rights as a "Pagan." If I were to say the same sort of "education," or say that xian teachings were a problem, I would/have-been be vilified..

So many "Christians" complain now about being oppressed when they actively now, and have historically oppressed, anyone who is not "Christian" without at second thought. Why the duplicity?

/I once managed the other half of a duplex to a hardcore "Evangelical Christian" family who freaked out and couldn't understand how I could be more "pure" and "pennant" and "moral" then they were, and be a "evil" pagan"...

TheDirtyNacho:Guys like this end up being gay themselves. So self loathing they are, they try to suppress even the very mention of it.

I bet you this guy lusts for men and just can't stand it.

Specifically, anytime you come across someone who thinks teh gay is contagious, there are very good odds that that person experiences some same-sex attraction themselves, not reading that the vast majority are not and never will be "tempted" in the slightest.

Now, dudes who go on about how disgusting and horrible teh gay is, those guys are probably just assholes - though there's good odds that they are misogynists who live in mortal fear that some guy wants to treat them the way they themselves treat women.

ISO15693:A few weekends ago, at an LDS father-son camp, we sang (among many other songs) "Kookaburra sits in the old gum tree":

Kookaburra sits in the old gum treeMerry, merry king of the bush is heLaugh, Kookaburra! Laugh, Kookaburra!Gay your life must be

Not one person mentioned, or had an issue with, the last line of that verse. Everyone understood the context. There wasn't any reason to censor the song. It never occurred to me that it might be an issue for someone. The kids ranged from 2 to 16 or so.

The only reason we sang it was because one of the dads was Australian. Obviously the kids were smart enough to understand the context, with the word meaning happy.

Someone tell the primary, then. "gladly helping each other, merry and happy and gay are they".

xria:"Anti-gay activist" has the word gay in it, so by his own rules he should have nothing to do with children and the Boy Scouts in particular, right?

Except he won't call himself an "anti-gay activist." These right-wing folks never do. Just as people opposed to legal abortion call themselves "Pro-Life" rather than "anti-choice" or "anti-abortion," the anti-gay folks like to call themselves "pro-family values" or something like that.

That's something the Right-wing folks do very effectively. They take a neutral or positive term like "family" and charge it with a political meaning.

ciberido:xria: "Anti-gay activist" has the word gay in it, so by his own rules he should have nothing to do with children and the Boy Scouts in particular, right?

Except he won't call himself an "anti-gay activist." These right-wing folks never do. Just as people opposed to legal abortion call themselves "Pro-Life" rather than "anti-choice" or "anti-abortion," the anti-gay folks like to call themselves "pro-family values" or something like that.

That's something the Right-wing folks do very effectively. They take a neutral or positive term like "family" and charge it with a political meaning.

Well of coarse you wouldn't expect them to call their organization we wanna crucify gay people would you?

stampylives:namegoeshere: Wellon Dowd: As a Scout leader I'd advise anyone to keep their sons out of a troop that discusses the leaders' sexuality, whatever it is.

A straight scout leader could say, "My wife and I camped here last summer," without raising an eyebrow. A gay scout leader (LOLWUT?) could not say, "My husband and I went camping here last summer," because that would be discussing their sexuality.

did your autocorrect turn "vacation" into "sexuality" at the end there, or are you just an asshole?

Well, since we're asking about motivations, did you fail to see his point because you're stupid, or are you pretending to be stupid to be an asshole?

ciberido:stampylives: namegoeshere: Wellon Dowd: As a Scout leader I'd advise anyone to keep their sons out of a troop that discusses the leaders' sexuality, whatever it is.

A straight scout leader could say, "My wife and I camped here last summer," without raising an eyebrow. A gay scout leader (LOLWUT?) could not say, "My husband and I went camping here last summer," because that would be discussing their sexuality.

did your autocorrect turn "vacation" into "sexuality" at the end there, or are you just an asshole?

Well, since we're asking about motivations, did you fail to see his point because you're stupid, or are you pretending to be stupid to be an asshole?

Hmmm, actually you know one would be discussing sexuality and one would be discussing a vacation so, no need to call anyone an asshole here.

GreenSun:How did the word gay evolve into meaning homosexual? From a simple definition of "happy", I really can't imagine how in the world it started to mean a person's sexual orientation. Were homosexuals back then very happy and cheerful all the time, and that's why the word gay changed its meaning? Why is it that females who love females are called lesbians, even though sometimes people refer to them as "gay"? Don't homosexual men get to have a special word made for them like the lesbians?

ciberido:GreenSun: How did the word gay evolve into meaning homosexual? From a simple definition of "happy", I really can't imagine how in the world it started to mean a person's sexual orientation. Were homosexuals back then very happy and cheerful all the time, and that's why the word gay changed its meaning? Why is it that females who love females are called lesbians, even though sometimes people refer to them as "gay"? Don't homosexual men get to have a special word made for them like the lesbians?

As you might expect, "gay" meaning "homosexual" comes from earlier meanings of "gay" such as "immoral," which date back to the 1630s.

dickfreckle:Lorelle: This is perfectly acceptable, because "gay" isn't in it:

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I lol'd. I don't know if they still do group showers in schools, but as late as the early 90s (when I was in high school), that's how you showered after football practice. It was awkward because you had to do anything possible to not make eye contact with another guy's penis. I don't mean that to say that I'd be repulsed by it; it's just the unspoken rule not to be broken and sometimes when you turned around there was an unexpected dick right in front of you. After a few times in the shower you learn to just stop a giving a damn about being surrounded by penises.

I've seen a few penises in my time, but I've never seen one with eyes before. I'm pretty sure if I looked at a naked guy and saw his penis was looking back at me, I WOULD make eye contact.

ciberido:dickfreckle: Lorelle: This is perfectly acceptable, because "gay" isn't in it:

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I lol'd. I don't know if they still do group showers in schools, but as late as the early 90s (when I was in high school), that's how you showered after football practice. It was awkward because you had to do anything possible to not make eye contact with another guy's penis. I don't mean that to say that I'd be repulsed by it; it's just the unspoken rule not to be broken and sometimes when you turned around there was an unexpected dick right in front of you. After a few times in the shower you learn to just stop a giving a damn about being surrounded by penises.

I've seen a few penises in my time, but I've never seen one with eyes before. I'm pretty sure if I looked at a naked guy and saw his penis was looking back at me, I WOULD make eye contact.

tinfoil-hat maggie:ciberido: stampylives: namegoeshere: Wellon Dowd: As a Scout leader I'd advise anyone to keep their sons out of a troop that discusses the leaders' sexuality, whatever it is.

A straight scout leader could say, "My wife and I camped here last summer," without raising an eyebrow. A gay scout leader (LOLWUT?) could not say, "My husband and I went camping here last summer," because that would be discussing their sexuality.

did your autocorrect turn "vacation" into "sexuality" at the end there, or are you just an asshole?

Well, since we're asking about motivations, did you fail to see his point because you're stupid, or are you pretending to be stupid to be an asshole?

Hmmm, actually you know one would be discussing sexuality and one would be discussing a vacation so, no need to call anyone an asshole here.

If a man says, "I went camping with my wife/girlfriend," he's declaring himself to be heterosexual.

If a man says, "I went camping with my husband/boyfriend," he's declaring himself to be homosexual. A statement that casual and innocuous outs you instantly. It isn't "being in your face," it isn't "shoving it down your throat," but it DOES identify you as homosexual.

People "discuss their sexuality" all the damn time. It's so difficult not to that the practice of avoiding specifying your sexuality is called the pronoun game and it is a skill that lbgtq people develop over a lifetime, unless/until they come out of the closet. (And even then, most gay folks who are "out of the closet" are still "in the closet" with respect to SOMEBODY somewhere).

When non-lbgtq folks say things like, "I don't care if you're gay, just don't shove it down my throat," they either have no idea what they are actually saying, they're being dishonest, or they're being assholes. One of those three.

ciberido:tinfoil-hat maggie: ciberido: stampylives: namegoeshere: Wellon Dowd: As a Scout leader I'd advise anyone to keep their sons out of a troop that discusses the leaders' sexuality, whatever it is.

A straight scout leader could say, "My wife and I camped here last summer," without raising an eyebrow. A gay scout leader (LOLWUT?) could not say, "My husband and I went camping here last summer," because that would be discussing their sexuality.

did your autocorrect turn "vacation" into "sexuality" at the end there, or are you just an asshole?

Well, since we're asking about motivations, did you fail to see his point because you're stupid, or are you pretending to be stupid to be an asshole?

Hmmm, actually you know one would be discussing sexuality and one would be discussing a vacation so, no need to call anyone an asshole here.

If a man says, "I went camping with my wife/girlfriend," he's declaring himself to be heterosexual.

If a man says, "I went camping with my husband/boyfriend," he's declaring himself to be homosexual. A statement that casual and innocuous outs you instantly. It isn't "being in your face," it isn't "shoving it down your throat," but it DOES identify you as homosexual.

People "discuss their sexuality" all the damn time. It's so difficult not to that the practice of avoiding specifying your sexuality is called the pronoun game and it is a skill that lbgtq people develop over a lifetime, unless/until they come out of the closet. (And even then, most gay folks who are "out of the closet" are still "in the closet" with respect to SOMEBODY somewhere).

When non-lbgtq folks say things like, "I don't care if you're gay, just don't shove it down my throat," they either have no idea what they are actually saying, they're being dishonest, or they're being assholes. One of those three.

Oh, I know and maybe I didn't read the thread close enough before posting, I mean I've called people out on saying "I can't stand gays being all out and shoving it down our thoughts" then turning around and saying "my wife and I"/Well you get the point.//And yea I agree with your last statement.

GreenSun:How did the word gay evolve into meaning homosexual? From a simple definition of "happy", I really can't imagine how in the world it started to mean a person's sexual orientation. Were homosexuals back then very happy and cheerful all the time, and that's why the word gay changed its meaning? Why is it that females who love females are called lesbians, even though sometimes people refer to them as "gay"? Don't homosexual men get to have a special word made for them like the lesbians?

No longer can ordinary people (such as we) use an ordinary word (like gay) in an ordinary example of the great British sentence. Without people thinking that you mean pouffe.And there's another one, pouffe. Used to use it all the time, but now people think you mean arsebandit.

/back in a moment darling, just taking the arsebandit to the menders//happy to have kids in the Scouts (no, not in the USA)///scouts here can not only say, sing and semaphore the word gay, they can also be gay.

dickfreckle:It was awkward because you had to do anything possible to not make eye contact with another guy's penis.

Obviously, you weren't looking at the penises closely enough. They don't actually have eyes. If the ones in your school locker room did, odds are they were painted or glue because the other boys suspected one of their classmates was a dick watcher and they wanted to mess with him.

Seeing all of the old-timey gay ads makes me think that someone could make a mint branding something as "gay" in an ironic, old-timey yet self-aware way. Folks would buy that gay crap up just because "Tee hee! It's 'Gay'!", especially as gifts. And then the joke would get old and "gay" would be normalized.