Well....it's not perfect, but it's a sign of some kind of movement by Sun.

It's too bad they didn't start it three years ago...

Brevity is I think "less scary" for most of the general public though. It's funny because more people would probably download it not knowing what it is, then if they had instead posted some diagrams or documents explaining (in laymen's terms) what the JRE is.

It's kinda like explaining technical projects to non-technical managers...the more meat you give them, the more freaked out they get and want to involve more people in the decision making chain.

Yeah it's kinda weird. "Java + You?! Java + Me? I had better download this!" Then they'll install it and nothing will happen. Makes more sense to cater to developers so more people develop in Java, then the people trying to run their apps will be told to install Java. "Oh, I need to install Java to run this super awesome app." Then they install it and the app works.

Apologies for pushing the point, but these translators believe the Dutch translation of:

"Experience Java in Action"

is

"Experience Java in Action"

? If so, cool, that means I can add Dutch to my CV

Kev

It's not uncommon to use the word experience in marketing but Action should be Actie

They also use that at the top. All in all I'm guesing little parts are not i18n-lized rather then poorly translated. Overall dutch ppl don't dislike english in - to put it in context we rather have english with subtitles then lipsynced dutch.

In the German one they also use the English line. - though they use a different main line: Java for you - which if also used in the Dutch version Java voor jouw makes more sense then Java + You. this is because in languages like German and Dutch there's a formal and less formal word for the same thing. (We don't use honorific's like in Japanese) Though the mismatch is probably because we haven't been exposed other commercials who also used the plus sign.

bla I think I'm just getting too mild - on the flipside they have at least fixed the title.

Thank you for your feedback. Sun's professional translator and reviewers disagree with you and consider the Dutch translation on that page correct.

Dmitri

Dmitri, I can understand you defend your coworkers, and I certainly don't want to offend you, but that page is absolutely NOT Dutch. The translation is simply ridiculous, no Dutch-speaking person could ever come up with the term "Java + u". If we take another phrase, "afwijzing van aansprakelijkheid" and Google it, we have 166k results. If I Google for "gebruiksvoorwaarden", which would be my own translation for "disclaimer", there are 7 million results!

Obviously the Netherlands is not a large market for Sun, and obviously correct Dutch translations are not top priority, but don't try to claim this is a difference in opinion between Riven and the translator. If this person is really a professional English to Dutch translator he/she should be fired, I know it sounds harsh but the translation on this page is really below all standards and will make people either confused or laugh.

I don't speak anything but English myself, but a few years ago I worked for a localization company. There was one project which involved multiple languages that were split between us and a rival company. We weren't doing Dutch, but discovered that they had screwed up the Dutch translation - I think they had translated it into Belgian Dutch instead of Netherlands Dutch. And there were enough differences to make the result laughable in places. Just a thought.

Hi, this is Carter from Sun's g11n department, I'm currently managing the translation for java.com. Thank you all for your feedback on this, right now I'm trying get a third party reviewer to review the Dutch, German and Swedish translation on java.com. In the mean time, if you could provide more detailed information (for example, where exactly is the wrong translation, how do you suggest to translate, etc) on this, it would surely help us to make the improvement.

The Spanish version is a bit odd. On the front page it uses the informal second person (tú), but on the other pages it uses the formal (usted). It also has three of the links at the bottom untranslated. On the "What is Java?" page it has two main links (obtain more information, download) which are inconsistent in their expression of the imperative (one uses an actual imperative, and the other the infinitive).

Hmm...if it's really in Portuguese then I suspect the engineers may have made a mistake by putting the wong language file/string back in, usually translator won't translate into a language they are not paid for In any case, I'll have someone check it out.

The three untranslated links link to the untranslated part of the site, you can see when you click them, the English page/site comes up, so I would say it's a by design thing.

I will forward your other comment to the reviewers and if it makes sense, we will have it corrected in our next update.

The Spanish version is a bit odd. On the front page it uses the informal second person (tú), but on the other pages it uses the formal (usted). It also has three of the links at the bottom untranslated. On the "What is Java?" page it has two main links (obtain more information, download) which are inconsistent in their expression of the imperative (one uses an actual imperative, and the other the infinitive).

That is very true. I don't think it looks good to leave the top link in English, so in that case, I would suggest the design team/engineering team to extract the bottom three words and get it translated although the linked page is still in English. But I will need to discuss with them first, maybe they have their own reasons, I can't speak for them . The word "Sun Wear" probably should not need be translated according to Sun policy because it's a brand used by Sun.

I don't know if it's been changed since I last checked it, or if I was needlessly picky back then, but it looks ok now.

It looks quite OK, but "Hämtningar" sounds very strange to me, but then again I haven't lived in Sweden for all too many years. Hämtning sounds like someone fetching toxic waste, broken/trashed cars or at best kids from kindergarten... Anyway, "Gratis Java-hämtning" sure sounds like someone (most likely not me) is about to move some java stuff from somewhere to somewhere else. If you want a formal tone, then "Hämta java gratis" would be better, since that would make me think that I can do it and download it to my machine. More commonly would probably be "ladda ner java gratis".

"Hämtning" by itself at http://www.java.com/en/selectlanguage.jsp made me completely confused but this might be in line with MS Windows broken Swedish, so using strange language in a consistent way might be the least bad if that is the case.

"Java in Action" changes to "Java in action" A -> a. It is sort of strange to have the page mixed English and localized right next to each other. I think it makes more sense to translate it all even though the links go to English pages (possible with some hint that it links back to English). Still having "Action" for the English page and "action" small 'a' in the Swedish page gives a bit of a sloppy feel to it if one cares about such things.

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