Sunday, April 12, 2009

Above Top Secret .com is Owned and Operated by Masons

Here's a link to an interesting abovetopsecret.com thread from a year ago entitled "What Are The Masonic Secrets?" I was Freight Tomsen before being repeatedly IP banned. My posts start near the bottom of page 2 here:

You will notice how I am treated by the moderators of the forum. Not like a fellow conspiracy researcher, but like a voice that must be quelled, distorted, and refuted. I also wanted to repost another article I wrote many months ago entitled: "Above Above Top Secret.com"

Above Top Secret.com, the biggest conspiracy forum on the internet, is an information gathering/disinformation spreading tool controlled by Masons.

While this statement may seem laughable at first, let's delve into the reasons why I would say so. You would think a "conspiracy theory" website like (www.abovetopsecret.com) would welcome information such as that presented in my free books, The Atlantean Conspiracy and Famous Freemasons Exposed. You would think that a site dedicated to providing a forum for fellow conspiracy researchers to network, would love to have me as a contributing member, would you not?

So why, just hours after posting my best thread ever, did "Springer" one of the site owners, ban me and my IP from ever posting on ATS again? The reason is my information is far too powerful and influential to allow the masses to get ahold of. Here is the thread I posted that got me banned - "The Will I Am Legend" a post exposing Freemasonry in Hollywood. I was "Freight Tomsen" the OP.

You'll notice that they deleted my opening two posts and many subsequent posts claiming "Meta-tag spamming" which is completely false/unfounded. Springer gave me 5 unwarranted "warnings" regarding some random month-old posts, removed my avatar, moved my thread to "Skunk Works" then banned me from ever posting again without giving so much as an explanation.

Yesterday I made a new Screen Name from a different IP to post my new FREE book, "Famous Freemasons Exposed." My thread was deleted and my new Screen Name was banned within 5 minutes! Why do you suppose Springer and "the Three Amigos" (the site owners' Masonic name for themselves) don't want me on ATS? If they created ATS as a place for conspiracy theorists/researchers like myself to network with others, then why I am repeatedly banned for posting excellent material?

If you have spent any time on ATS (abovetopsecret.com) especially in their "Secret Societies" forum, you will notice that there is a troop of Masons (much like Digg.com's Bury Brigade) who are online ALL day EVERY day. Many of them openly admit to being Masons. Even many of the Site Moderators like Mirthful Me, Skyfloating, and other popular ATS names admit to being Masons! Not only this but they are perpetually online 1) providing a "benevolent"/open face for their secret society, and 2) constantly defending government/establishment positions and their "Brotherhood." I can tell you if I owned ATS, I would not have a troop of admitted Mason Moderators running things - any conspiracy researcher will tell you that Freemasonry is one of the biggest vehicles in implementing the New World Order conspiracy!

If you don't believe me about ATS being Mason-run, try this experiment: Take 10-20 photos of celebrities/politicians making the Masonic "M" hand sign from my "Famous Freemasons Exposed" book. Post a thread on ATS with these and watch what happens! You will either be instantly censored, or the Masonic hounds will immediately descend upon you and detract, denounce, and disrespect you in every possible way. Is this how my research should be received by a "conspiracy theory" forum?

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joe
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I am aware that masons infiltrate every group or organisation. From far-left, to far-right, to conserative-patriot movements, to radical conspiracy theoretical organisations. Sorry to hear about that. It's good information for newbies.

You got bounced because you created multiple screen names and were spamming the board, end of story. By the way your research is trash that's why you get smacked down each and every time you post on ATS. I also believe that Joe and Mia who posted here are new IDs that you created to make it look as though someone actually believes your junk research.

First of all, finding pictures of celebrities making handsigns does not consist of research. This kind of evidence, frankly, is not suited to a rational discussion. If you take enough pictures of someone (and celebrities are photographed constantly), in some portion of them, they will probably be making some weird hand sign or expression. It's not indicative of a conspiracy, it's just what happens when you take enough freeze frames of a person in motion. Hell, I'm sure it's happened to you too.

Second, your posts as Freight Tomson could certainly be considered spam. You made many posts back-to-back along your own determined narrative, usually restating things you had already said, denouncing people you were arguing with, or going off on a tangent.

Third, if the people at ATS were actually trying to bury your research, why on earth would they only delete some of your posts? It would be just as easy and far more effective to delete them all - and I'm pretty sure you can delete posts without leaving any suspicious "this post has been deleted" flags too. Thier actions are not in line with the motivations you're assigning to them.

Fourth, your statement that they should like to have your research on thier site makes the assumption that your research is respectable, new, and valid, which as I'm sure you can tell from the many people disagreeing with you, is up for debate. Quoting statements from not-so-credible (in most peoples' eyes, I know you disagree) sources like you do in your book is not going to get you anywhere. You will have to establish the reliability of your sources first.

Mr. Mandal, I'm aware that not every celebrity seen making a Masonic hand sign is knowledgeable of what they are doing. However, the signs and symbols in my book are Masonic, there are books about them published by defunked Masons (i.e. Robinson, who was murdered for doing so) and non-Mason researchers alike. My dad has even been asked what Masonic lodge he was in after playfully waving the "M" hand-sign at a workmate. So the REAL issue here is that these are indeed Masonic hand-signs.

Masonic symbols are so blatant throughout Hollywood productions that we are ignorant to ignore them. And I'm not saying there's a conspiracy of actors... Masonry is just a secret society which pulls in and elevates people who will benefit the organization, and most "superstars" are likely only low-level initiates... not on a level to know the whole agenda, just enough to know about flashing hand-signs and special hand-shakes with their Masonic colleagues and fans.

What myself and others are doing IS in fact "research" but I respect your right to belittle me and my activism. I'm sure you don't consider this "activism" either because you think I'm some paranoid loser out to get my Internet 15 minutes. It's all good though, man. Keep doing your thing, I'll keep doing mine, and the Truth will remain self-evident.

I'm not specifically attempting to belittle you, I'm just pointing out that you should understand what you're doing. You are never going to be taken seriously if the evidence you present is a Google Images search for "Masonic Hand Signs." No one is really going to consider that kind of argument.

If you want to be taken seriously, you have to make people think that you are credible; you need to make several changes in your tactics in order to accomplish this. Things like a bunch of Masonic hand sign pictures make you seem less credible - it's completely anecdotal evidence that will not be taken seriously. Quoting people who are generally regarded as nutcases will also make you seem less credible. It's entirely possible that Alex Jones is a fantastic source, but if people think he's a crackpot, you shouldn't quote him.

Again, I don't mean to belittle you, I've just noticed a pattern of you shooting yourself in the foot. You have to think about how you sound to a skeptical person, not how you sound to the people who frequently agree with you on your blog (sorry guys), because they already think you're right.

Cool, I appreciate the advice and understand how much of my information or Alex Jones' information can come across to a skeptic. And it's great for people to be skeptical and use critical reasoning... I didn't just leap to my current understanding by forgoing skepticism and critical reasoning, I maintain my analytical faculties throughout all of my "research" (in quotes for your benefit :P)

But you say, "if people think Alex Jones is a crackpot, you shouldn't quote him." And this is the line of reasoning I can't agree with. I have taken the time to personally verify Alex Jones' claims, and I now know that he is NOT a crackpot, as you put it. But hey, just like yourself, I heard him for the first time a few years ago and thought, "this guy's either a crazy or a political genius" ... the difference is I took the time to "research" everything he said. And by doing so I verified all his "research," and compiled my own "research" into a couple books.

So anyway, have you seen The Obama Deception yet? It's Jones' latest and I'd say best documentary. Type it into YouTube and let me know what you think of it. Peace

Hey Eric - Fetch here. I agree with your assessment and received the same treatment. My work was exceptionally well received by the audience with some of my articles being in their top lists at the Secret Societies forum.

ATS is another of those operations that are controlled by trolls - in this case, sadly for the good people in the Craft - lower educated buffoons who call themselves "Masons".

The complete moral abyss exhibited by so many Masons can only be attributed to its influence by Jewish ethics, imo -

A system which brought the West much liberty is now being over-run by those groups who have always believed that totalitarianism to their sadist "sky god" is the way to human redemption.

This anonymous moron is just another of those anonymous cowards who lie because he has no morals nor ethics.

A regular freak show in a museum under normal conditions - the rise of the freaks and cowards has become the norm -

This is a very interesting thread that I probably should avoid, but here goes nothing...

I am not a Mason, nor am I a member of any such society. I am an independent expert in ancient wisdom and the symbology used to model, encode, and encapsulate it. For that reason, I have been doing some in-depth research into Freemasonry, its symbology, and related topics, which I know better than any other non-mason or freemason (which is how and why I found your blog). From this basis, I have a few things to impart to both sides of this argument.

Eric is right about the existence of Freemasons on ATS, as well similar crews of "gatekeepers" on many other forums. Some are Masons and some are not. It depends on where you go. Bottom line, many internet forums and sites are more controlled than we would all like them to be. It is important to remember that the internet is full of idiots and most of these sites have legitimate reasons for policing their traffic. Some also have hidden agendas. I've had similar experiences, including coordinated attacks (elsewhere, not on ATS). I fully expected some of them though, and they served my purpose to prove certain things to the readers of those forums.

With the above said, I want to say that your research is not as good as you think it is. I came across your book earlier, before discovering your blog, and was surprised at certain inaccuracies that immediately jumped out like red flags. They stopped me from reading your book because I already understood several details that you are dead wrong about. I know this topic gets many people excited and anxious, as it should. We have been deceived about many things and Freemasonry is one of the tools used by the Vatican and its secret society cohorts. Even so, it is important to be accurate and reliable in your assessments and assertions. A pivotal example, are the letter M hand-signs in your E-book. Many of the people you show giving these signs are doing so before modern freemasonry was established. It is not as ancient as they would like you to believe, though it uses certain ancient traditions, as inspiration and as a smokescreen. Also, some of those you show are Vatican associated royalty, who would have been the enemies of fledgling freemasonry. Another example is Christopher Columbus, who was a Catholic, working for Catholic royalty and the Church (though some think he was a Templar...). Rome did not need freemasons to do evil since it was their evil that led to the true secret societies that preceded modern freemasonry.

You cast your net too widely and make assertions that completely discredit your research. I AM SAYING THIS AS A FRIEND. Modern masonry is not the same as its earlier roots, which themselves are not what most people think they are. The deceptions run deep and there has been much misdirection over the centuries. The early roots are Jewish, Templar, and Islamic (among other influences) and members were the enemies of Rome when they controlled practically everything. What arose in the early 1700s was something already subverted by the Vatican. Though the earlier roots were truly opposed to Rome, they were unfortunately infiltrated and subverted and then used to relaunch several subverted organizations that merged cabalistic, hermetic, and Templar philosophy, specifically designed to prevent another "Templar-problem" by hiding the truth about the symbology of the Bible and related sources. Ancient symbology is the key to proving the truth about many of the details that Rome has striven to hide for centuries, with the help of certain Jewish mystics, royalty, and other cohorts. One goal of the deception is to keep those like you clueless while opposing symbology. Another is to dupe those like the Freemasons into clinging to false interpretations and venerating the clearly deceptive Bible, thereby unwittingly supporting the continued existence of Rome's deceptions.

Once again, never forget that most people are completely deceived and are thereby dupes, hence victims of deception. Generally accusing Jews, Christians, Freemasons, or others will never succeed to end these long-term deceptions. It only serves Rome's Machiavellian aims to keep the truth at bay, by dividing and conquering those who fight over different aspects of the same deceptions. Instead, focus on learning the true meaning of the symbology, not merely the apparent and faulty use of it. Hand signals are little more than misdirection at this stage of the game and chasing conspiracies based on them are a fool's errand that will never expose the truth. Some of those you accuse of deception are actually trying to lay the foundation for its defeat. Others are merely holding their hands in poses they are completely unaware of. On the other hand, some are greedy, arrogant halfwits like George W. Bush, who was not a Freemason. Skull and Bones is a completely different group, as are other NWO related associations of leaders and toadies. There is no truth without discernment...

When you focus on the symbols used by certain leaders and their dupes, it is best to actually understand the truth about symbology and those that use it. Most that use symbolism certainly do not understand its true meaning. Likewise, most adherents are completely deceived about the true purpose for religion and secret societies, as are their opponents. That includes you !!! The overwhelming majority of Freemasons and the so-called faithful are not your enemies. Most are victims of deception, just like you. To truly help others understand, you must understand first.

Consider the pyramid and how most of it is far below the apex. Only a handful at the top understand, while all others are deceived to varying degrees. Freemasonry is several steps below the apex. Most people who write about these topics know far less than they think they do. I am a true expert and there is much that I don't know. I also don't waste my time trying to know everything about these groups, because the deceptions run deep and they deceive one another, as well as those on the outside. It is best to learned the truth about the things they rely on, hence my focus on the ancient symbology the Vatican and cohorts have desperately tried to obscure. Therein lies the key to their exposure and eventual defeat. That is why the Vatican has gone to such great lengths to bury the truth about ancient symbolic wisdom over the last two millennia. Focus there and ignore the smoke and mirrors, if you truly want to make them squirm.

Being young, you are impatient and impetuous by nature. I had the very same problem and struggled with it into my late 40's. It is a curse of youth. With that said, don't stop your research and don't stop striving to understand. You are on the right track. You just need to sharpen your vision and straighten your ways. Practice humility and subtlety when other tactics fail. Never be afraid to admit that you have made mistakes and always strive to fix them. Swallow your pride or you'll never learn what you have done wrong, nor will you ever rise above the mistakes of youth. Also, here's some information to help refocus your research. There's a lot to read and understand and there will be more to follow in the future. Be patient so you'll be ready to truly help others, in the near future...

Thanks for the comments Fetch and Seven Star Hand. SSH: I read a couple dozen of your articles and they are very informative - your assessment and explanations of symbology are very thorough and fascinating. Some of your comments here came across a bit presumptuous and arrogant, but I forgive your tone. :P I don't think your research and mine are in any opposition to each other but seem quite complementary. Anyway, you're welcome to post your opinions and criticisms, we're all in this together. Peace~Eric

Yeah, I saw the Obama Deception when you posted it. I think Alex Jones suffers from a similar problem; some of his information actually is scary, but when you watch the video, he really just looks like a nutcase. Yelling at passing cars with a bullhorn is a terrible way to build credibility. It also provides an argument against him: if he's right and there is this malicious conspiracy, surely they would have acted against him somehow. The video also has a very perceptible "feel" of propaganda rather than of a documentary.

As far as quoting Alex Jones, I don't argue against his facts so much as the impression people have of him. If you have independently verified his claims, you should probably quote your own sources and research rather than quoting Mr. Jones. Frankly, just seeing his name on a quote probably signals 90% of people to stop reading. Quote people who don't have such an obvious agenda and who don't seem so crazy in the public eye.

I have a question.It appears that much of what occurs along the path of history...or time...is cyclical. Birth/death...rise and fall of civilization...the orbits of planets...sunspot activity...precession of the equinox...the revolutions of galaxies...etc.One of the cycles here on Earth seems to be the regular global devastation seen in the geologic record as sometimes a pole shift, sometimes a comet or asteroid strike, sometimes a solar storm or other electromagnetic pulse-type event originating from outside the solar system.From a prophetic viewpoint, this destructive cycle appears to coincide with the length of time it takes for humankind to dust itself off from the last event, spread out across the globe again, and then to become a degraded and pitiful group of lost, blind, greedy, ignorant and hopeless beings.In your view, was the universe created with these coinciding cycles to put the destructive event at a point where if humanity has not reached a particular goal of wisdom, it's better to wipe the slate clean and have another fresh go at it?So if mankind gets it wrong, prophecies are less difficult to make if one knows that the wrong path unfolds on a regularity that allows one to know what type of human behavior to expect toward the end and what type of astronomical events will also be occurring?

Well, the biblical prophecy for the "end times" says, "And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man."

The "days of the Son of man" is a reference to the next global catastrophe. With other references to war and rumors of war meaning that humans haven't been able to properly cooperate. By saying "war" means there's already war(s) going on and "rumors of war" would mean there's other areas on Earth that aren't involved in the current state of war but could get involved with the current war(s) or entirely unrelated war(s) cropping up. So the whole world would pretty much need to be widely populated and communication throughout would be necessary. So no, or very few, populated areas would be isolated from the world.During the period of the Roman Empire and into the Middle Ages there was still a lot of isolated areas so the "war AND rumors of war" scenario wouldn't quite fit then. It would take the whole world to be connected by largescale communication to get there. That would mean technology would be rather advanced.Then, with Noah, nobody paid any attention to his warnings so hubris was more than just the norm, it was all encompassing. A lot like it has recently been becoming.All this prophecy stuff ends up making reference to past markers and saying to watch for those markers again.So it seems that once mankind gets to a certain point of global "dominion" (for lack of a better word), and if we're not in full cooperation and also have our collective head up our ass, we don't see what's coming because we're too busy watching reality TV and killing each other.Now if it takes roughly 2500 or 3000 years to get to this point technologically and socially and it also takes that long between catastrophic events, it might be that there's a timing mechanism built into our collective consciousness that causes us to freak out as the catastrophe approaches without us even being aware of what's causing us to freak out. That would be something to overcome before the timer goes off.The PTB running the secret societies and shadow government are apparently freaking out in a major way over the last 100 years so that would be a clue about when the timer in our collective consciousness goes off in the cycle. It might also suggest that this time around...it's too late to turn things around. Not enough time to build a global movement toward focusing on a large scale avoidance plan because there's already too much freaking out going on.Maybe people during previous cycles were able to get it together. It's possible that part of the UFO phenomenon is evidence of that...survivors who had cooperated well enough to organize technology to get out of harms way.Many crop circles appear to reference large scale future events aimed at Earth.And then you have the Sphinx which more people are realizing is from a time before the last catastrophe. Part of the intent of building something in an attempt for permanence may have been to show those in the next cycle that they should ask certain questions....like, "Where did the builders go and why?" and, "Maybe what removed them from the scene will reoccur and shouldn't we get our shit together about that?"Maybe somebody on the planet should start a big timecapsule project cataloguing celestial events for the last 2500 or 3000 years and how humans are screwing it up this cycle....and shoot for permanence and easy locatability somehow. Cuz if the PTB are as technologically advanced in secret as it sometimes appears they are, if they're far enough along to help themselves they don't seem to be interested in helping anybody else...a timecapsule project might be a way the rest of us can help somebody....3000 years from now.

ats is many things, but mostly they are greedy pigs who care nothing about conspiracy theory or conspiracy theorists, all they care about is $.even now, over the past 12 months they have deliberately targeted a number of (smaller) conspiracy websites with DMCA notices or threats of legal action.they do not wish to be a part of the Conspiracy community, they wish to destroy it and have control of the market, whether it is because they are affiliated with masons, the nwo, the govt or are just ignorant selfish pieces of shit is moot.support your smaller conspiracy communities.

For a laugh you can go and read ABOUT section on ATS....here is just a jewel..."we deny ignorance" indeed you do...it is so easy to picture them putting names of fictional members and posting nonsense poorly pretending to have a debate of some sort...pathethic.

Dude! exactly the same thing happened to me. The first thread I tried to start was around the time of the banker bailout in which I basically implied the country was being controlled by the illuminati.

My post was deleted immediately and I was banned by " Mirthful me" (I think) - he had a mason sign on his profile pic.

I asked him what I'd done wrong (very politely) and never got a reply.

I also tried to message Sceptic Overlord with the same question and never got a reply.

This did not leave a good taste in my mouth about above top secret, in fact I've never experienced such censorship before on the internet!

I myself haven't been banned from ATS, but I left there voluntarily about a month ago and will never return (unless it's to snoop around).

They deleted one of my posts (which contained some classified government information) and then they moved one of my threads to some sub-forum on their site where nobody would find it (it doesn't even show up in search engines either).

So, I decided to start my own forum site instead, AboveTopCosmic.com (lol, like the name I chose?). It's up and running, but I am also in the process of applying a bunch of modifications right now before officially publicizing the site. When completed, I'll be posting conspiracy stuff there from now on instead.

I hope you don't mind me posting a link to this page on my site. I should start a thread on my forum about ATS and some of the things I've also discovered about them (and our governments involvement).

I'll have to investigate this Mason angle further myself. Thanks for the heads up.

There is something fishy going on at ats. semperfortis is proividing the server for their ignorant embracing new show atslive. semperfortis is a mod who poses as a state police officer, when he is really Garth Holt, Pest Control Officer. to allow an obvious liar, and if you watch his videos it is disturbingly apparent semper is a bottle short of six pack, to host their radio podcast program is embracing ignorance. the entire site leaves a nasty taste in my mouth, it is all about profit, and they just laugh in your face. it is a shame ats loses good posters and makes mods out of mentally unstable posers who probably need mental help.

ABoveTopSecret.com website doesn't have a shred of credibility, and is basically a hang out for teenagers and the lunatic fringe. Serious researchers wouldn't waste their time with AboveTopSecret.com.

As for them being masons, who cares? No one in the research field takes them seriously anyway. Research for truth is a lonely road indeed. And you would not be doing yourself a favor being a member of ANY conspiracy group, unless under private/personal invite.

The internet is full of surprises, and those with the means to search for answers to questions you'll not find at public forums such as AboveTopSecret.

My advice to you, is keep searching. If you prove your worth, you may find what you're looking for. Public conspiracy forums are not the answer, the answer to many questions watches.

hard to say if ATS was setup from the beginning by government or if it has just been heavily infiltrated by nwo shills.

i posted there on the david rockefeller chilean confrontation thread and put a link to my topic where i basicly expose the whole operation as a hoax as well as many in their shill network - the only response i got was from a person waving an ISRAELI FLAG - making a joke from it....

everyone in alternative media promoted the confrontation as if it were real - no one asked the obvious questions.

thats because 99% of alternative "media" is elite controlled - a better way to put it is there is no alternative "media", there is only alternative information

any websites that promote things like "currency" "constitution" "founding fathers" "ron paul" "gold and silver" - i personally stay the hell away from, because they are disinformation - or they are not fully awake and they are spreading disinformation - they are being used.

I hope that you realise the the David Icke website is the same Eric. I am proud to be banned from both and it speaks volumes that this is the case. It is frustrating though because I feel that I have much to communicate.

Hey Andyman, yeah I've since learned that Icke forums are controlled as well but seemingly much looser than ATS ... they still haven't banned me over there yet. It's a waste of time to use these controlled forums or promote controlled sites though, and is much more productive to create and promote our own forums/sites/articles etc.

The difference between those two sites is that, many freemasons are members at David ikes site and they work toguether as wolfs, to manipulate informations, the same for ATS but over that the site it self... is owned by TPTB....

I agree with eric. It looks good on the surface with lots of forumns to choose from and high volume posting, but never get in a fight with the skeptics: be it masons, ufos, underground bases,etc.

You would think since it is a conspiracy board that conspiracy theorists have the last word, BUT from my experience the skeptics ALWAYS have the last word. The mods intervene by deleting all the damming evidence and leaving the government propaganda untouched.

As long as you keep it super-clean and bow to the skeptics desires you have nothing to worry about.

Most mods never start threads and if they do they are quite lame.

And yes many posters specialise in 1 or 2 forumns who seem to be available whenever highely controversial topics are started. When do these people go to work, have lunch, play with their kids, whatever?

Just take a look ar the threads' title in the secret society forum at ats, many are clearlly only to promote freemasonry and recruit new guilible sheeps !

ats not just tolerate these kind of threads and posts it protect them, any other similar behiavior for another organisation is reprimanded but because....freemasonry is one of TPTB's branch, ATS gives alot to help promote freemasonry.

ats is use by TPTB to manipulate the mass on internet, they don't fool me !

ATS, like FACEBOOK, ECT.. is NWO Zionist controlled bullshit with regular paid shills to lie like proudbird in chemtrails and hooper and goodoldave in 9/11 forums 1000's of post in one forum, 9/11, no sources just insults to believers.

I have had several accounts on ATS

First account I got up to about 2000 stars and posted a video about American/Israel Zionist agenda - them boom - immediately banned

Second Account I got I made a thread about the in your face 'STOP IRAN ADS' with all the support Israel crap and from then on the threads I made where not included in new thread or recent threads.

Third account posted a huge thread exposing every zionist american israel agenda just to really piss them off and banned after 1 minute, thread gone.

ATS is a lie, a tool for the NWO to spread lies and make fun of believers.

Thats just wrong,calling someones id out like that.I suffered because someone took a disliking to one of my threads.And then whinged about it on a page much like this one.I am one of those people who typed up threads on subjects i am knowledgable about and also things that happened locally to me.This is the problem with ATS.Too many people commenting on subjects that they do not have a clue about,or things happening on the other side of the planet.Some ATS members actually try to inform you that you are wrong in your beliefs and try to steer you in the right direction,they are only being informative on a subject that they have been reading and studying for a long time.Some of these members go to a lot of trouble dissecting info and translating it into terms that less knowledgeable people can understand,with diagrams and such....They are not working on behalf of some alphabet agency,they are doing you a favour.

Mason are everywhere on ATS. Even defending the Satanists-Anton Lavey-Aleister Crowley (check out his stuff on child sacrifice).

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread968177/pg1

network dude: posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 09:08 AM

"I will, however no accept masonic involvement as has been charged by some without some damn good evidence. Saville was not a mason, and I have not heard of any other people being arrested who were masons. The subject is 180 degrees away from what we stand for. Our whole existence is built around helping people".

F**k the masons. I live in India and where I am it's a small town connected only by road (no railway or airport). Still they managed to have a masonic lodge in our town. Witnessed a couple of times drunken men coming out of that place with 20-25 yrs old girls half their age. Probably a drunken orgie or sex fest. A lot of our community members complained about the noise. But since it was a privately owned property by a rich individual, nothing came into effect. I even heard they had a local shaman put a curse around that building for trespassers.

Out here in our town, we all think these pedo-Masons should be impaled on a bamboo stick and roasted over a fire of dried pine cones.

I'm curious though... If Freemasonry is as bad as alleged, wouldn't it make sense to encourage people to join? They are boasting strong morals as pillar of their organization and so it's reasonable to assume this would attract people with high morals.

By targeting and recruiting righteous individuals wouldn't this undermine their "evil" goals. I understand their are different levels in their ranks, but the overall culture is likely to favor righteous behavior.

Anyway, I am not agreeing or disagreeing with you. Just trying to take a different perspective on this.

when i see a little kid wearing a mickey mouse shirt i know the little kid *likes* mickey mouse..

when i see the ATS members-list states "members in good standing" i know ATS *likes* masons

when a mod over there is called GAOTU (great architect of the universe) i know ATS *likes* masons

(and so on..)

are they controlled & operated by masons?...close enough :)

the technique is sometimes called 'embrace & expand', basically what was once a slow, intimate process long ago in lodges and other circles is now done quickly on a global scale via movies, television, music, etc..it's all about subverting old-world belief systems & replacing with new-world belief systems