Don't really want to waste the time, but...Without their religion (certainly overheated by certain indivduals/poverty/young men's egos willing to fight against western "injustice") there would be very little mid-east generated attacks on western targets such as innocent women & children. And really sir, is there any other religion that is even anywhere close in conducting themselves in such a violent manner? And that is all the time I have...

Don't really want to waste the time, but...Without their religion (certainly overheated by certain indivduals/poverty/young men's egos willing to fight against western "injustice") there would be very little mid-east generated attacks on western targets such as innocent women & children. And really sir, is there any other religion that is even anywhere close in conducting themselves in such a violent manner? And that is all the time I have...

It's not their religion that attacked us. It's fanatics. The Vietnamese were as violent and for the same reason. How many times were attacked by Muslims before we put troops in their countries? We really need to mind our own business and stop sticking our nose in where it doesn't belong.

It's not their religion that attacked us. It's fanatics. The Vietnamese were as violent and for the same reason. How many times were attacked by Muslims before we put troops in their countries? We really need to mind our own business and stop sticking our nose in where it doesn't belong.

I agree with most of that but take exception to the first sentence. Their religion is a huge part of it. Name me another religion that as practiced today inspires the same level of hate and violence through out the world.

I am no fan of religion, in fact I take issue with all of them in some shape, form or fashion. To pretend that Islam today is the same as Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, etc... is not only dishonest it is delusional.

I agree with most of that but take exception to the first sentence. Their religion is a huge part of it. Name me another religion that as practiced today inspires the same level of hate and violence through out the world.

I am no fan of religion, in fact I take issue with all of them in some shape, form or fashion. To pretend that Islam today is the same as Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, etc... is not only dishonest it is delusional.

I'm not a fan of Islam, but Islam didn't attack us. There are billions of Muslims who mind their own business and who do not want a war with us.

I'm not a fan of Islam, but Islam didn't attack us. There are billions of Muslims who mind their own business and who do not want a war with us.

Here we see classic symptoms of the mass insanity known as liberalism that has infected a large portion of the modern Western populace.

Fact:
-Mohammed was a prophet of war
-the Koran is a book of war
-Islam is a religion of war (just ask Thomas Jefferson. He had to send in the Marines to stop Muslims attacking American ships and enslaving our sailors)
-9/11 was just one of countless Islamic attacks against us, that are still ongoing, both overt and covert

It's not their religion that attacked us. It's fanatics. The Vietnamese were as violent and for the same reason. How many times were attacked by Muslims before we put troops in their countries? We really need to mind our own business and stop sticking our nose in where it doesn't belong.

Here we see classic symptoms of the mass insanity known as liberalism that has infected a large portion of the modern Western populace.

Fact:
-Mohammed was a prophet of war
-the Koran is a book of war
-Islam is a religion of war (just ask Thomas Jefferson. He had to send in the Marines to stop Muslims attacking American ships and enslaving our sailors)
-9/11 was just one of countless Islamic attacks against us, that are still ongoing, both overt and covert

Fact: Yhvh was the God of War. By your reasoning Muslims are worshipping the true God.

What makes you think they cān be trusted, and aren't just sleepers in positions making us more vulnerable? Being a good Muslim and a good American are contraindicated.

IMHO that applies to anybody that considers his religion, politics or group identity more important than his citizenship.
During the Manhattan project a lot of commies felt that it was their duty to give the plans to the Soviets.

It's not their religion that attacked us. It's fanatics. The Vietnamese were as violent and for the same reason. How many times were attacked by Muslims before we put troops in their countries? We really need to mind our own business and stop sticking our nose in where it doesn't belong.

Whether they are Germans in WWII or Vietnamese or Palestinians, it is natural to attack your enemy, especially invaders.
Many Americans, Germans and Japanese WWII veterans developed strong friendships later even though they were at each others throats during the war.
I believe that unless we listen to G. Washington that told us to avoid foreign entanglements and alliances we will be fighting perpetual wars for foreign interests and the foreign wars will hit home just like they did on 9/11.
Given the state of our economy, we will ruin our country besides getting our young killed.
Wars affect countries on both sides, we are still experiencing the effects of the Vietnam war.

I do have a degree in history, and realize what you mean, but events of the past exhibit no danger to I, or my family and friends in today's world. Fanatical Muslims do, my friend. Cheers.

I would agree that other religious groups (Today) do not currently pose as great a threat to our physical safety. However the Christian Majority in this country does want, and attempts to legislate their religion as law in this nation on a regular basis. Given that religious numbers are slipping everyday and religion is dying out in this nation... perhaps one day when that majority becomes a minority and those most extreme amongst that minority feel their idealism is fading away... we might just see more Christian Bombers.

My point is that whenever religion is present, the fuel for extremism, zealotry, and terrorism exists.

Firstly; More Christian bombers? Oh yes, that one fellow way back in 1994. And yes, those multitudes of rioting, burning, and murdering Christians following the release of a Jesus oriented film/cartoon/piece of "art" (please see "Piss Christ") may certainly increase in the future. Sorry for the seemingly mocking of your ideas - I do not intend that. I am not really all that holy, just see the Muslims as containing so many more followers - than ANY other religious group - that do not get along well with opponents of their ideas. Take Care - you argued with intellegence and grace. And...I am wearing my G36 as I type this at the library.

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I would agree that other religious groups (Today) do not currently pose as great a threat to our physical safety. However the Christian Majority in this country does want, and attempts to legislate their religion as law in this nation on a regular basis. Given that religious numbers are slipping everyday and religion is dying out in this nation... perhaps one day when that majority becomes a minority and those most extreme amongst that minority feel their idealism is fading away... we might just see more Christian Bombers.

My point is that whenever religion is present, the fuel for extremism, zealotry, and terrorism exists.

In the real world, we have seen violent leftists: the communist Weather Underground bombed government buildings and banks in the 1970s, did a jailbreak for drug guru Timothy Leary, did riots, bombed the Capitol (1971), Pentagon (1972) and state Dept (1975) in support of Vietnamese communists, who were fighting our forces at the time. The lefty Symbionese Liberation Army did bank robberies, 2 murders, and kidnapped Patty Hearst. Lefty animal rights radicals have done arson, bombings and vandalism to the tune of 100 million or more in damage. And more...

Face it, wherever the Left or Islam are present, "the fuel for extremism, zealotry, and terrorism exists".

I'm not a fan of Islam, but Islam didn't attack us. There are billions of Muslims who mind their own business and who do not want a war with us.

I would agree that there are vast numbers of Muslims that don't want any beef with us but while we may not have been attacked by Islam we were attacked by Muslims. There is some reason that no other religion today has anywhere close to the number of followers that want and attempt to do us and others harm that Islam does.