“Why has Obama, after using private and taxpayer funded attorneys for years to keep his birth certificate and college records hidden, placed a computer generated birth certificate and not a certified original copy on WhiteHouse.gov?”…Citizen Wells

Many lies have been created and spread about Barack Obama’s eligibility, his birth certificate, his birth place. Recently I listed some major players in this controversy.

Obama? He has consistently lied to the American people about his records, his associations with criminals like Tony Rezko and about the health care bill. Obama is a liar.

Neil Abercrombie? The newly elected Governor of Hawaii suggested in an interview with the Honolulu Star Advertiser that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.

Tim Adams ? a elections official in Honolulu in 2008 signed an affifavit stating:

Donald Trump?

Donald Trump was telling the truth.

If we can believe the report from Jana Winter at Fox on April 27, Donald Trump was telling the truth. Obama’s birth certificate was missing.

“More than a month before Donald Trump began his media blitzkrieg over the issue of President Obama’s birth certificate, the document was quietly moved to a more secure location within a dual combination-key lock safe inside the state’s health department vault.

The certificate was moved there by Alvin Onaka, Hawaii’s State Registrar, in response to what had already become an increasing number of media requests by FoxNews.com and others, according to sources.”

We are still left with a mystery. Tim Adams stated in his signed affidavit above that there was no birth certificate for Obama in Hawaii in 2008.

Now for the ace up my sleeve. I am a computer and business systems expert. I spent over 30 years in IT. I have plenty of well documented proof. I also have obtained on several occasions a certified copy of my original birth certificate. I am a natural born citizen of the United States and eligible to be president.

The document placed on WhiteHouse.gov was computer generated. Unlike the certified original birth certificate copies you and I have been required to present, Obama’s document was computer generated. For proof of US citizenship, this document if proven to be generated by the State of Hawaii, is sufficient proof for many agencies. However, since it is not a certified copy of an original birth certificate, it does not prove place of birth. Why so? Because in Hawaii one could be born elsewhere and have their birth data entered into Hawaii files.

When you view the document placed on WhiteHouse.gov remember it was computer generated. It is not an image file of a complete original birth certificate. It is a composite of data entered into a database(s) in the Hawaii computer systems. The data is as good as the source and the procedures and personnel who controlled the entry and maintained the integrity. From a legal standpoint it proves, if authenticated as having come from the state of Hawaii, that Obama is a US Citizen. It does not prove that he is a natural born citizen.

I am willing to go into a legitimate court of law and present any documents from my past. I challenge Obama to do the same.

Just wanted to say goodbye to Sean Hannity publicly. He was the
last host on Fox I bothered to listen to….The fact that he accepted the
photoshopped fake b.c. on face value, and is now ” moving on ” is
absured.

Forensics Sean? Analysis Sean? Nothing, nada, zippo.

Sean said he would have Jerome Corsi on the show when his book
comes out. Don’t bet on it. I’ve now switched over to listening to
Webster Tarpley on gcnlive.com, a real Patriot network.

I hate to say it but the BC/NBC Eligibility Lawsuits are probably a lost cause now. SCOTUS is clearly not going to hear an Eligibility Lawsuits. congress is clearly not going to impeach bo over the Eligibility issue. The only option that Patriots have left is the Grand Jury Process.

Forms and Charges to INDICT BHO for his CRIMES

Demand that your congressman, senators, County Sheriff, DA, State Legislators, Governor, and County Grand Jury Foreman indict and prosecute BO and his local co-conspirators in State Courts for these crimes:

WHO IS PAYING WHO OFF???
TRUMP NEEDS YOUR INFO C.W.,,MAYBE YOU CAN CONTACT HIM
HE NEEDS ALL YOUR INFO.
IAM SO SICK OF THIS,CAN’T BELIEVE HOW STUPID SOOOOOO MANY ARE OR THEY ARE COVERING UP,WHICH MEANS THEY SHOULD BE TRIED FOR TREASON,ALLLLLLLLLLLLL OF THEM

I have been sending CW links to Hannity, Rush, Beck, Levin and Savage for over a year now. I suspect that the repubs have decided that they are simply not going to pursue the Eligibility issue because they don’t want to hand the Presidency to Hillary prior to 2012.

IMHO, the repub strategy will result in a dem winning the Presidency in 2012.

Black Chamber of Commerce Head: Obama is ‘Fanatical’ & ‘Marxist’ — I Only Voted for Him ‘Because He’s Black’

“Obama wanted the National Black Chamber to dance to his music and have blind allegiance to his crazy programs and agenda, which are totally anti-business. We are a pro-business organization. So we have to stand on the side of business, and the benefit of our members, which are black entrepreneurs.”

I have been sending CW links to Hannity, Rush, Beck, Levin and Savage for over a year now. I suspect that the repubs have decided that they are simply not going to pursue the Eligibility issue because they don’t want to hand the Presidency to Hillary prior to 2012.IMHO, the repub strategy will result in a dem winning the Presidency in 2012.
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What are you talking about?
(1) Why would these people listen to you? You are a nobody. No offense, but you have no more credibility than anyone else that inundates them with emails on a daily basis. Do you think you’re special?
(2) How would pursuing the Eligibility issue cause the Republicans to hand the presidency to HRC prior to 2012? Are you saying that if he is proven to be a fraud, then Hillary is next in line? She is not even 2nd in line. It would be VP, then Speaker of the House.

Notice that the obots are freaking out over the prospect of Grand Jury Indictments of bo and his co-conspirators.

Forms and Charges to INDICT BHO for his CRIMES

Demand that your congressman, senators, County Sheriff, DA, State Legislators, Governor, and County Grand Jury Foreman indict and prosecute BO and his local co-conspirators in State Courts for these crimes:

“After Donald Trump called on Obama to release his original birth certificate and produce the academic records and test scores that put him on a bullet train from being a “terrible student” at Occidental College to Columbia, Harvard Law and Harvard Law Review editor, charges of “racism” have saturated the airwaves.

To Tavis Smiley of PBS, this was a sure sign the most “racist” campaign in history is upon us. To Joy Behar and Whoopi Goldberg of “The View,” this was pure racism. To Bob Schieffer, CBS anchor, an “ugly strain of racism” is behind the effort to get Obama’s records.”

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“‘Trump is a racist': Bob Schieffer attacks The Apprentice host… as liberals desert reality show in protest at anti-Obama campaign”

“‘We don’t know a thing about this guy. There are a lot of questions that are unanswered about our President.’

In a separate interview given moments after Mr Obama released the birth certificate, Trump said: ‘I’d like to know how does he get into Harvard, how does he get into Columbia if he isn’t a very good student.”

If we take BHO Jr. at his word then there is no doubt that he is not a Natural Born Citizen of the United States as required by the Presidential Qualifications Clause of Article II Section 1 Paragraph 5 of the United States Constitution. The Constitution requires that to be the President of the United States, a person must be born in the United States of two parents who are citizens of the United States. By BHO Junior’s own admission his father was a British/Kenyan subject (citizen) at the time of his birth. Thus BHO Jr. is disqualified for the Presidency.

There is a clear, concise definition of the term “Natural Born Citizen” in Vattel’s Law of Nations which was the principal legal reference book used by the Founding Fathers in writing the Constitution.

“The natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens…it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”

There have been innumerable United States Supreme Court Decisions that have referenced Vattel’s Law of Nations as a resource in interpreting the original intent of the Founding Fathers when writing the Constitution.

Notice that the obots are freaking out over the prospect of Grand Jury Indictments of bo and his co-conspirators.
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I’m not freaking out, (and anyone with a brain knows I’m not an obot), and I couldn’t give a rat’s arse about CGJ indictments. You’ve been singing this tune for way too long. “Practice what you preach!” Let us all know how it all turns out, FS. Until then, give us a break.

Free Speech | April 29, 2011 at 12:03 pm |
Suddenly it has gotten very quiet over on the Anti-CW obot site, only 2 posts. I suspect that the bo regime is in a panic having realized that they were set up on the fake BC and they are now having to silence their old disinformation goons at the obot sites.
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Ha Ha.
If I read one more Birth Certificate photo shop article , my head is going to burst. Good thing I am occupied elsewhere these days.
No talking con artists no Fox news.
Be well

“Documents obtained from the United States Citizenship and Immigration Service through a Freedom of Information Act request offer evidence that President Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

A memo dated Aug. 31, 1961 from William Wood of Immigration and Naturalization Services indicates that Barack Obama, Sr., was attending the University of Hawaii on a student visa and that a son, Barack Obama, II, was born in Honolulu on Aug, 4, 1961.”

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Investigators have had difficulty obtaining documents using FOIA. This memo supports the Obama birth date of August 4, 1961 in HI and claimed father. How do we know it is authentic? This could easily be another ‘creation’. Interesting that they appear just when the new birth document is unveiled.

Pat 1789 | April 29, 2011 at 5:57 pm |
Free Speech | April 29, 2011 at 12:03 pm |
Suddenly it has gotten very quiet over on the Anti-CW obot site, only 2 posts. I suspect that the bo regime is in a panic having realized that they were set up on the fake BC and they are now having to silence their old disinformation goons at the obot sites.
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Ha Ha.
If I read one more Birth Certificate photo shop article , my head is going to burst. Good thing I am occupied elsewhere these days.
No talking con artists no Fox news.
Be well

When Obama was going by the name of Barry Sotero or however he spelled it when he was growing up, he needed a birth certificate to get a drivers license and for schools and for many activities.

What we are being asked to believe is that he took his Barrack Obama birth certificate down to the drivers branch and got his Barry Sotero drivers license. And he did that for all the things he needed a birth cert for. And all while he was going by Barry Sotero, or however he spelled it. Does this give anybody an incling as to what he’s hiding on his real birth certificate? The one that has all the amendments on it?

CW-I just ran across this on RMN. Definitely look at the last line on the certificate but read the other info on it as well. This was posted in a Hawaiian newspaper in 2010. I don’t know where it came from but it is very, very interesting.

If bo and the obots are not terrified of Grand Jury Indictments then why do the obots attack every time Grand Jury Indictments of bo are mentioned

Forms and Charges to INDICT BHO for his CRIMES

Demand that your congressman, senators, County Sheriff, DA, State Legislators, Governor, and County Grand Jury Foreman indict and prosecute BO and his local co-conspirators in State Courts for these crimes:

“CW-I just ran across this on RMN. Definitely look at the last line on the certificate but read the other info on it as well. This was posted in a Hawaiian newspaper in 2010. I don’t know where it came from but it is very, very interesting.http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=203441”

Question?
Are we “birthers” demoralized by these latest developments? Or are we energized? I tend to think the latter.
I know that MSM has declared the debate over, and even our “friend” FOX, and our other friends in talk radio are siding with the enemy.
While this is certainly disheartening, I think we all are used to this kind of treatment. Sure, it’s hard, but most of us have gone through similar circumstances personally whether it was through family, work, or spiritual interactions. You take a stand—you are ostracized. So what! And occasionally someone who is supposed to be on the same side, behaves like the enemy (as seems to be the case here). But we carry on. We seek truth, pursue justice, and pray for our country. God bless America.

CW-I just ran across this on RMN. Definitely look at the last line on the certificate but read the other info on it as well. This was posted in a Hawaiian newspaper in 2010. I don’t know where it came from but it is very, very interesting.

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I remember seeing this “document” back in 2008 or 2009, it took the obots less than five minutes to declare it a fake. To me it always looked like the only piece of identification for Obama that made any sense. Maybe we should take a long hard look at it again.

CW-I just ran across this on RMN. Definitely look at the last line on the certificate but read the other info on it as well. This was posted in a Hawaiian newspaper in 2010. I don’t know where it came from but it is very, very interesting.

I have learned over time that those who lie, pontificate the loudest. The way Obama and the press are pontificating convince me further that he is lying about his background. We just need to break through the wall put up by the idiots in the press.

“Fake. Both signatures were signed by the same person. Mrs. Dunham’s name is spelled incorrectly in the signature.”

“And you can see things have been whited out (check boxes). FAIL.”

“Really poorly made fakes that have been around for a long time. Probably made by Anonymous to mock birthers who fall for it”

“And . . . . it has inexplicably been removed and reinserted in the typewriter numerous times while being created. Note the lack of alignment of the typed characters.
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indymac,
We can’t take your word for anything regarding Obama. You have consumed the fruit punch, and are beyond believable. Have you ever thought that Stanley Ann might have forged her mothers signature on this form in order to register the Kenyan. With this group of people anything is possible.

My feeling is all the pontificating is to shut down the truth that may come out with Corsi’s book and the next court case. The issue is not where Obama was born so much. It is that he was a dual citizen at birth, and that he was a citizen of Indonesia.

Bob, why don’t you study that thing before you accuse me of consuming fruit punch. You write ‘with this group of people anything is possible’ and immediately follow with a link to rumormillnews. Do you see how funny that is?

It takes all of 2 seconds to spot that it’s a fake. Ron Polland says it is a fake. Freepers agreed. I don’t have time to list all that is wrong with that, but I posted an old freeper thread above that tears that thing to pieces.

indymac-I went to the free republic site you gave the link to and read all of the comments. Altho a lot of the earlier comments on the link call the BC a fake, if you keep reading the rest of the comments, there seem to be some strong points leaning to it not being fake. I still think there may possibly be something to it. I’m not trying to send anyone on a wild goose chase. I have followed CW ever since Obama was campaigning for the presidency and I feel there is noone as thorough and determined as CW , in the quest to get to the bottom of this. If there is real evidence showing this particular BC is phony, then so be it. I just had not seen this one before.

Bob, why don’t you study that thing before you accuse me of consuming fruit punch. You write ‘with this group of people anything is possible’ and immediately follow with a link to rumormillnews. Do you see how funny that is?

It takes all of 2 seconds to spot that it’s a fake. Ron Polland says it is a fake. Freepers agreed. I don’t have time to list all that is wrong with that, but I posted an old freeper thread above that tears that thing to pieces.

indymac | April 29, 2011 at 8:46 pm |
Bob, why don’t you study that thing before you accuse me of consuming fruit punch. You write ‘with this group of people anything is possible’ and immediately follow with a link to rumormillnews. Do you see how funny that is?
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I don’t see anything funny about usurping the office of president of the USA.

I would give this version of Obama’s bc the same credence as all the other bc s posted on the internet that are supposed to be the “real” Obama birth certificate.

tarheel, what is the file number on that document?
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Obama’s bc didn’t have a number on it for three years, until the latest forgery.
It didn’t bother you then, what changed?

bobs, I’m suspicious of any doc without a number and a seal. got it? Now, then or ever. And second, without a forensic examination of any of these alleged bc’s they aren’t worth the jpegs of which they are composed. Get it?

Now if you happen to like the look of the typeface on that thing, and if you like the look of the signatures done obviously by the same hand, if you like the lack of any certification number, seal, etc, go ahead, but I’ll pass on this one. Just like the Lucas Smith document, a phoney. (There is another kenyan one floating around signed by e.f. lavender that to tell you the truth looks to be the most realistic one of all I’ve seen, and I’m not sure if I’ve seen that one debunked.)

100% PROOF! Obama “RESOLVES” That He Is Not Eligible To Be President! (Condemning Info!)
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Rob, Excellent, and in their own words.

Of course obots will remind us that it is a non binding resolution 511, and means nothing. To me it clarifies the definition of NBC, and it puts the US senate on notice of the true meaning of natural born Citizen, and guess what, Obama does not fit the template of a USA natural born Citizen.

Obama was born British, according to the British Nationality Act of 1948, and then he was adopted, and became an Indonesian citizen. According to Obama himself he is a mutt, a little of this,and a little of that, and all those little parts render Obama ineligible as a natural born Citizen of the U.S.A., that requires no foreign allegiance, only sole allegiance to the U.S.A. is allowed.

its a fake 100 percent. it was that way to divide the country and keep the lie going. tell the lie long enough people will believe it. why do u think jesus’s teaching are watered down from exposing the real truth about his message. How many catholics would stay. if they really followed his teachings. leave you life of sin and follow me. thats about 95 percent right there. obama needs this distraction to keep his past from being exposed. donaldyoung,larry bland,larry sinclair the list is endless, the media protects him aswell. the lie is so big

bobs, I’m suspicious of any doc without a number and a seal. got it? Now, then or ever. And second, without a forensic examination of any of these alleged bc’s they aren’t worth the jpegs of which they are composed. Get it?

Now if you happen to like the look of the typeface on that thing, and if you like the look of the signatures done obviously by the same hand, if you like the lack of any certification number, seal, etc, go ahead, but I’ll pass on this one. Just like the Lucas Smith document, a phoney. (There is another kenyan one floating around signed by e.f. lavender that to tell you the truth looks to be the most realistic one of all I’ve seen, and I’m not sure if I’ve seen that one debunked
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indymac, would you agree that we have not seen proof of Obama’s birth in the USA based on the documents in cyber space?

Congressman Bill Posey (R-FL), who in 2009 introduced The Presidential Eligibility Act (HR 1503), is getting ready to re-introduce similar legislation in the current congressional session: A GOP lawmaker will introduce legislation in the coming weeks to require any candidate running for president to file a copy of his or her birth certificate with the …

Military, WHERE ARE YOU?? I need a well-armed platoon of Marines comanded by a no-nonsense military officer to march right up to 1600 Pennsy Ave and take The Fraud into custody forthwith. This clown needs to be arrested now. Not impeached for that would validate him as a legal president. He is NOT.

If nothing is done, we will not survive until Nov 2012 elections. We may not survive another 90 days. barry is on a wreckingball mission, and we need to fight back one way or another. This could be Lexington and Concord all over again, but someone somewhere has to draw the line and stand tough.

Relief will not come from congress, the courts, the justice dept (what a joke of a name), of any other government agency. They too are corrupt.

I fly my American Flag upside down, hoping someone will notice. Our military is our last hope. After that it’s in our hands. DO YOU HEAR ME MARINES?

bob strauss, without a stamped true copy of an original I’m skeptical. It still has that manufactured look. It could be an abstract of an original bc while hiding the fact that the original bc had been amended.

bob strauss, without a stamped true copy of an original I’m skeptical. It still has that manufactured look. It could be an abstract of an original bc while hiding the fact that the original bc had been amended.
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indymac, agreed, without an official HDOH Seal the information provided is worthless, abstract is just another word for forgery.

What do Barbara Nelson and the West Family think about Obama’s Long Form Internet Birth Certificate?

April 28, 2011 by texasdarlin
Snopes.com: Doctor who delivered Obama was Dr. Rodney T. West, NOT Dr. David A. Sinclair

When Snopes declared Obama’s Internet COLB valid a couple of years ago, the fact-checker reported:

When Barack Hussein Obama places his hand on the bible to take the oath of office as 44th president of the United States, Barbara Nelson of Kenmore will undoubtedly think back to the day he was born. It was Aug. 4, 1961, at Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women & Children in Honolulu.

“I may be the only person left who specifically remembers his birth. His parents are gone, his grandmother is gone, the obstetrician who delivered him is gone,” said Nelson, referring to Dr. Rodney T. West, who died in February at the age of 98. Here’s the story: Nelson was having dinner at the Outrigger Canoe Club on Waikiki Beach with Dr. West, the father of her college friend Jo-Anne. Making conversation, Nelson turned to Dr. West and said: “So, tell me something interesting that happened this week,” she said.

His response: “Well, today, Stanley had a baby. Now that’s something to write home about.”

The new mother was Stanley Dunham, and the baby was Barack Hussein Obama.

“I penned the name on a napkin, and I did write home about it,” said Nelson, knowing that her father, Stanley A. Czurles, director of the Art Education Department at Buffalo State College, would be interested in the Stanley connection.

She also remembers Dr. West mentioning that the baby’s father was the first black student at the University of Hawaii and how taken he was by the baby’s name.

Obama Releases His Alleged Long Form Certificate of Live Birth But He’s Still Not a Natural Born Citizen

By: Mario Apuzzo, Esq.
April 28, 2011

On December 20, 2008, I published an essay entitled, The Two Constitutional Obstacles that Obama Has to Overcome to Be President, accessed at http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2008/12/two-constitutional-obstacles-obama-has.html. I explained that Obama has to first conclusively show that he was born in Hawaii. Having done that, he must still show that he is an Article II “natural born Citizen” which is a child born in the country to citizen parents. I also explained that Obama may be able at some point to show that he was born in Hawaii, which would make him a “citizen” under the Fourteenth Amendment, but that he would not be able to show that he is an Article II “natural born Citizen.”

On April 27, 2011, putative President, Barack Obama, released to the public a digital image on the White House web site of his alleged long form Certificate of Live Birth. A majority of Americans have wanted Obama to confirm that he was in fact born in Hawaii. Yet, Obama refers to these concerned Americans as “sideshows and carnival barkers.” But worse than that, the document that Obama has released raises some very serious issues and confirms a critical piece of information.

Another possible reason for the obvious forgery is that the creators of the forgery unknown to Obama want Obama to get caught at his big game of deceit.

Finally, another possibility for creating such an easily detected forgery is that Obama has the real birth certificate that provides the same information as this forgery. After all, Obama was sure to release to the public correspondence showing how two certified copies of the birth certificate were personally picked up by his personal attorney who flew to Hawaii to get them, paying $10.00 for the first one and $4.00 for the second. This correspondence is also careful to explain how the certificates were obtained from the Hawaii Department of Health. The letter from Loretta J. Fuddy, the Director of the Hawaii Health Department, states: “I have witnessed the copying of the certificate and attest to the authenticity of these copies.” See the correspondence chain at this link: http://global.nationalreview.com/dest/2011/04/27/birth_certificate_correspondence_5da9a1a825978db6b52f335642604a2e.pdf So, they created this forgery to mislead people in thinking that Obama does not have the real birth certificate and to keep the “birthers” screaming for the real document. In the end, he will just show the world that he does have the document and that he was telling the truth all along.

But regardless of whatever game Obama is playing, as we shall see below, the real issue is that Obama’s father was not a U.S. citizen and so Obama is not and cannot be a “natural born Citizen.” This is the issue from which Obama cannot hide behind some manipulated computer images.

Regardless of whatever Obama is up to with his new-found long form birth certificate, this new document confirms that Obama is not a “natural born Citizen.” A “natural born Citizen” is a child born in the U.S. to a U.S. citizen father and mother. While place of birth is a necessary element of being a “natural born Citizen,” let us not lose sight of the other necessarily element, i.e., a U.S. citizen father and mother at the time of birth. Even assuming this new long form Certificate of Live Birth to be genuine, what is important to understand about this document is that it confirms who Obama’s father is, a fact that has been debated for quite some time. The document shows that his father is Barack Obama Sr., who we know was a British citizen and never became a U.S. citizen. Hence, the document confirms that Obama is not an Article II “natural born Citizen” and is therefore not eligible to be President. Emer de Vattel, The Law of Nations, Sec. 212-217 (London 1797) (1st ed. Neuchatel 1758); David Ramsay, “A Dissertation on the Manners of Acquiring the Character and Privileges of a Citizen” (1789); The Venus (1814) (Marshall, C.J., concurring and dissenting for other reasons); Inglis v. Sailors’ Snug Harbor (1830); Dredd Scott v. Sandford (1857) (Daniels, J., concurring); Slaughter-House Cases (1872); Minor v. Happersett (1875); Elk v. Wilkins (1884); U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark (1898). No amount of computer manipulation or photoshopping can mislead concerned Americans on this score.

Hawaii Revised Statutes – HI Legislature
338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue …http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/ hrs2006/ Vol06_Ch0321-0344/ HRS0338/ HRS

[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.

birtherreport has a video of a washington times reporter calling for forensics analysis of the recent bc.
I guess we can assume this means he speaks for the washington times?

But, i still don’t get it. Why don’t these reporters see the obvious. The haw doh said it’s computer generated and it’s an abstract. why “investigate” the layers. we already know it’s not the birth certificate. what is an investigation going to tell them? if they are trying to find out if it’s the real bc, we already know that. if they are trying to find out if the “abstract” is real, just how are they suggesting that be done?

very strange. just call for a photocopy of the real bc. forget any more “analysis” of the computer abstract. it’s worthless on its face anyway.

Many felt this was a fake document when it was put out, because the law that allowed late birth registrations didn't exist in 1961 under the code cited at the bottom of the document. However, the actual copy may not have been from 1961, and the code may have been typed on later when it was accepted for say…….an adoption.

I have searched the internet many times to find an original signiture of Obama's grandmother to reference with the one on the document. I have yet to find one. However, with Trump's resources and connections, I suspect that he could easily research it.

All, there is no doubt the man we have in the White House is destroying our country, and has presented us with a doctored birth certificate. Having said something that we all know we are not going to unseat this guy by trying to prove that he is not a NBC. The liberal and conservative press are in the tank for this guy and there is not any way no matter what we prove about his past that he is going to leave office. Moreover, having Donald Trump get the Republican nomination and Ron Paul Running on a third party ticket assures BO will get reelected. Not only do we have a bad set of circumstances in play to insure BO gets reelected we have simple math. At least 52% of the people in this country either work for the Federal Government or municipalities that receive money from the Federal Government and the remainder of the 52% are on public assistance. Taken the before mention into consideration BO gets reelected. Now many of you out there will say this guy does not know what he is talking about. Well I happen to come from a State called Massachusetts that has a 2nd term Governor named Deval Patrick. For many of you who do not know DP, he wrote all of BO speeches during BO presidential campaign. Essentially DP is a likable version of BO, but just as useless. DP was reelected by a landslide this past Fall and the reasoning behind his reelection success was the math; that 52% of the population either works for the State or is on public assistance. Now many of you are going to say that Massachusetts is not a microcosm of the country, and if you take the South and the Midwest into consideration you might be right, but the country as a hole based on the Electoral College make Massachusetts the canary in the coal mine and precisely why BO will get reelected unless we change our approach.

BO wanted to alter the size of the Federal Government and he succeeded in hiring almost one million more Federal Employees. The only way we are going to unseat this guy is if the Republicans refuse to increase the dept limit. By refusing to increase the dept limit we force these idiots to shrink the Federal Government and reduce hand outs thus hurting the voting base of BO. Now I’m not in favor of hurting any hard working fellow citizen who has a legit job, but most if not all of the jobs created in the Federal Government by BO were unnecessary. Therefore we need to hurt BO in the wallet; people vote their wallets. There is a lot more we can do to insure that BO does not get reelected, unfortunately writing about his BC is not going to do the trick. God Bless All My Fellow Americans.

How are Patriots going to get anywhere on the BC issue if SCOTUS will not hear an Eligibility case, congress will not investigate and even the “conservatives” in the media have accepted bo’s latest forgery as legit?

Everyone – Paste Joe’s comment on your forehead. He has revealed what is happening here. After watching yesterday’s moving wedding ceremony of Will & Kate and looking around at the situation our country has finally come to, I am almost ready to return to my original heritage. THERE IS NO RULE OF LAW HERE. It has finally reached mob rule law.

Oh, and by the way – Even though some people believe Donald Trump is a joke he does have a plan to pay off the debt.

HOW DONALD TRUMP COULD PAY OFF THE NATIONAL DEBT!

The National Debt is now $55 TRILLION Dollars .

The Donald could use one of the most popular systems used throughout the world. It is called “The Old Pollish Million Dollar Lottery. Let me explain it this way. For simplicity I will use the 300 million population figure. Every day each member of a family will pay to the nearest Tax Center $1.00 per family member. Rounded out that comes to $3 Billion Dollars per month. Per year that comes to 12 times 3 billion to $36 Billion Dollars. Now – A Trillion Dollars is 1000 Billion Dollars.Now the Total U.S. Natl. Debt is $55 Trillion Dollars. Now divide $360 Billion into 55 trillion Dollars and the answer can be 152 or 1520 years to pay off the debt. Anyway WHO WILL CARE. By the way, the winning number will receive a $1.00 per year for a million years.!!

How are Patriots going to get anywhere on the BC issue if SCOTUS will not hear an Eligibility case, congress will not investigate and even the “conservatives” in the media have accepted bo’s latest forgery as legit?

The pure and simple fact remains……..Had Obama been born in Honolulu,at Kapiolani he would be in possession of a HOSPITAL generated birth record,EXACTLY like the BCs issued to the Nordyke twins. That is the long and the short of it. Since he has no hospital generated BC(except the PHONEY) then it is easy to conclude that he was in fact NOT born at Kapiolani, rather was registered at HDOH AFTER THE FACT, and possesses only the CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH. (which was also extensively doctored,and is therefore illegal as well.) Obama can lie until HELL freezes over but try as he might he cannot alter what occured in 1961. Now he expects everyone to believe his newest little lie. Perhaps next he will attempt to rewrite the Constitution, so that he can make everyone BELIEVE that UP is DOWN. USE YOUR GOURD people that is why God gave you one.

It didn’t take long for some of President Obama’s doubters to claim the long-awaited birth certificate posted online by the White House on Wednesday had been altered or might be a fake.

But a leading software expert says there’s no doubt about its authenticity, and he dismisses claims of fraud as flat-out wrong.

The doubters have latched onto the idea that Adobe Illustrator — the premier program for computer graphic artists — “reveals” evidence of document manipulation in the Obama birth certificate. They note Illustrator reveals nine separate layers of the document, and claim it’s “proof” the file has been altered.

But that’s not so, says Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator.

“You should not be so suspicious about this,” Tremblay told FoxNews.com, dismissing the allegations.

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How are Patriots going to get anywhere on the BC issue if SCOTUS will not hear an Eligibility case, congress will not investigate and even Fox and “conservative” talk show hosts have accepted bo’s latest forgery as legit?

There are still an awful lot of people who still gobble up Soetoro’s MANURE as fast as it emanates from his BUNG.. They think that his “HOT NEWS” is real. Yep UP is really DOWN, according to the YUPPIE CROWD. Until these people are somehow re-esducated in all probabability UP will remain down.

JJ……………..
Interestingly, in a prior comment Commander Kerchner made an interesting statement regarding Hawaii 338-17.8. He stated that the .8 part of this did NOT exist until a year after the original was drafted, and was not in force at the time the alleged “CERTIFICATION olb” was issued. This would seem to say that he was registered under an earlier provision in the same rule. Yet this later revision was used.

Hapnhal…………………….
In my site hopping yesterday I found a statement that there was a little girl born,who lived only one day,and died on August 5. She too was born on Aug.4 1961,at Kapiolani. Perhaps the Certificate originally issued to her was STOLEN by Soetoro. He seems to be quite adept at STEALING things.

ROFLOL
You have got to be kidding me. Experts have already stated, all over the world, including intelligence agencies of other nations, that this is a layered electronic construct. Without verification, and supporting evidence, and a chain of custody, or a seal, it's not worth the electrons it's created with. Obama needs to have the Hawaian DOH release all documents to the public, with seals attached, at a press conference. He has done the same stunt he did in 2008, just changed the way the fake looks.
Pete

I was one of the first to post videos and articles of experts who questioned the validity of the BC. Many of us thought bo would release an “expertly” forged BC. This BC is clearly not “expertly” forged BC. The question is why did the regime release such a sloppy forgery.?

Does bo just want to keep the BC controversy raging until he finally releases the expertly forged BC?

Or is bo so arrogant that he thinks he can get away with any crime and the msm will cover for him?

All, Just remember all of the time and effort you put into the Larry Sinclair saga, you’re doing the same thing with the BC. Wake Up!!!! No one is listening anymore. We need to force the Tea Party Elected Group to make sure that the dept limit is not increased. That would be a start.

Most of you speak like you have political clout and you can some how force this issue. All that has been done here is we have succeeded in elevating Donald Trump’s status and Obama with the help of the MSM saying I told you so. Any other interpretation is delusional.

Let’s move on to something we can sink our teeth into, or Like Mr. Bill (Ms. Helga) stated; form your own group go back to your roots and don’t look back. Because we’re loosing the battle and if we continu on this course we will loose the war and our country.

oldsalt79 | April 30, 2011 at 9:04 am |
Jonah…………………
This is right up your alley (REF my comment of 9:01 AM)
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You are so right!
Hower, it is unlikely that there would be an obituary in the newspapers for a one day old baby. Unlikely but not impossible. If I had access to Hawaii newspaper archives I’d search for obits on Aug 5 through 15, 1961. It could show parents’ names, but we already know that…..We could learn siblings names, funeral arrangements, burial site. Obits and death certificates can reveal a wealth of information. And they are usually available to the public. It’s possible the doctor who signed the death certificate could be the attending doctor at birth.

I found an obituary in an afternoon newspaper for my great grandfather who died about 5:00am the same day. The year was 1918. So I would search for an obit the day of death.

Dr. Polland’s Analysis of the Certificate of Live Birth Released on April 27, 2011
The morons forget to flatten the layers! You should see what this looks like in Photoshop or any other Adobe program that reads PDF’s and works with layers.

Obama is keeping the best available evidence secret. Let’s just add suppression of evidence to the other charges of election fraud, campaign finance violations and filing fraudulent documents in all 50 states.

No matter what you might think there is no escaping that AKA Obama is not practicing the virtue of full disclosure.

The entire reason there is a professional field known as forensic document examination is that a great deal can be told from examination of the original document itself. Much, much less can be told by looking at a photocopy of a document and very little, if anything at all, can be told from looking at a digital image that purports to be an image of an original document. Too much opportunity for adulteration, no opportunity to examine the paper, the ink, any impressions made on the paper, etc. These online arguments discussing images (especially photographic images) are like people studying animals by examining imitation scat.

Funny, I thought obots would be on top of the world now that they have a fresh BHO JPEG to wave around. They normally cry racism when losing an argument.
Maybe this is the new 2012 DRAT battle cry, “folks who don’t drink the BHO Koolaid are racist” . Ha ! Go for it obots!