'There is no point pressing the shutter unless you are making some caustic comment on the incongruities of life. That is what photography is all about. It is the only reason for doing it.'......Philip Jones Griffiths

Thanks Al ,Jogi and rjvc.Well rjvc I set the camera to bulb ,rigged up tripod and remote and then it was just a matter of trial and error on how long to keep my finger on the shutter release ,good luck it gets frustrating Harvey