Brazilian GP FP1, FP2, FP3 and Qualifying.

I don't think you understood my comment at all. I'm not one of Alonso's disciples, thinking there must be a technical reason why he got beat.

Andersson made a very valid point, backed up by Alonso lifting the inner wheel in the air, locking it. That does suggest a softer rear, which is set-up change no.1 nowadays, if you tune for the wet.

If you knew more about basic race car set-ups.....

Lol... they all just confirmed that Alonso is NOT ON WET SETUP... like you were led to believe by BBC "biased for Alonso" journalists.... always trying to look for excuses for Alonso. Andrew Benson crosses reality with Alonso love fest... making people like you very gullible to whatever they feed you.

If they were racing or on opposing teams I'm pretty sure Webber could have moved inside and blocked Vettel. He knows his place at this point of the season regardless of what he says in the PC.

Check the start again, Vettel had his car alongside extremely quickly. That process would've of course been even quicker had Webber cut across instantly, there was no way he was keeping Vettel behind with their respective launches.

Lol... they all just confirmed that Alonso is NOT ON WET SETUP... like you were led to believe by BBC "biased for Alonso" journalists.... always trying to look for excuses for Alonso. Andrew Benson crosses reality with Alonso love fest... making people like you very gullible to whatever they feed you.

If "only" you knew more about basic race car set-ups.....

Dude, you might still be relatively new here but take it from a real "long-timer" in this forum, Race Addicted is not only one of the most respected members here but he is also one of the most unbiased. You might want to take that into consideration in your future replies to his posts.

As for Alonso's true setup for the race, nobody but he and Ferrari know and I'm sure they're not revealing anything about it. Why would they? What have they got to gain by letting everyone know today?

Dude, you might still be relatively new here but take it from a real "long-timer" in this forum, Race Addicted is not only one of the most respected members here but he is also one of the most unbiased. You might want to take that into consideration in your future replies to his posts.

As for Alonso's true setup for the race, nobody but he and Ferrari know and I'm sure they're not revealing anything about it. Why would they? What have they got to gain by letting everyone know today?

I like how many are saying that 0.26 seconds cannot be explained by setup changes. You can make certain wet weather changes which would definitely explain this difference, if it were 1-2 seconds then of course driver performance would be most of the explanation.

So anyway, If McLaren finish the race one-two then they will overcome Ferrari in the WCC. Probably unlikely if it's a wet race (or otherwise) but Ferrari must have one eye on keeping their second place. I don't think they are likely to scupper Massa's chances for the long shot of Alonso winning the WDC. (Personally I think I would be glad if Alonso did win it.)

It's just that people have stopped giving credit where credit is due. Massa performed better, but some journalist goes around & finds Alonso had "newer" diffuser in USA & had wet setup in Brazil.

No worries, and I've of course noticed there being arms and legs in the air from Alonso-fanboys, when Massa does better. However today I can easily buy into what Andersson aired. Several drivers have openly admitted they tuned the car towards the wet.

So anyway, If McLaren finish the race one-two then they will overcome Ferrari in the WCC. Probably unlikely if it's a wet race (or otherwise) but Ferrari must have one eye on keeping their second place. I don't think they are likely to scupper Massa's chances for the long shot of Alonso winning the WDC. (Personally I think I would be glad if Alonso did win it.)

With heavy overnight rain forecast, the track will be relatively green for tomorrow's finale.
I think the Fat Lady still has a full repertoire to get through.
At present it looks like a Red Bull anthem but DON'T rule out a Ferrari encore.
Can't wait for the lights to change from RED to GREEN

Why not? If Massa could take a penalty to help the team and Alonso, I am sure it can be applied the other way also. Anyway, I did not even mean that. Massa would face severe punishment. Then, come to think of it, it is a team offense, the team can be punished and FIA can punish as they deem fit. For example, if Ferrari the team is excluded from the race, both drivers can be out automatically.

Why not? If Massa could take a penalty to help the team and Alonso, I am sure it can be applied the other way also. Anyway, I did not even mean that. Massa would face severe punishment. Then, come to think of it, it is a team offense, the team can be punished and FIA can punish as they deem fit. For example, if Ferrari the team is excluded from the race, both drivers can be out automatically.

It would be ENTIRELY without precedent to directly punish a driver for a team's*, and team-mate's, transgression of the rules.

It would be ENTIRELY without precedent to directly punish a driver for a team's*, and team-mate's, transgression of the rules.

* Excepting gearbox/fuel/engine et al.

WDC is not just a driver's prize, it is very much a team prize also. It may be without precedent. But everything had a start at some point. I can definitely see a case for punishment. If Massa is holding up the pack for Alonso, what's wrong in punishing Alonso? A driver can certainly be punished for the team's action if that action is intended to benefit the driver illegally.

Why not? If Massa could take a penalty to help the team and Alonso, I am sure it can be applied the other way also. Anyway, I did not even mean that. Massa would face severe punishment. Then, come to think of it, it is a team offense, the team can be punished and FIA can punish as they deem fit. For example, if Ferrari the team is excluded from the race, both drivers can be out automatically.

That's not the same thing at all, Massa did not take the penalty for anything happening with Alonso or Alonso's car.

I don't think there can be any doubt that the FIA somehow could and would punish Ferrari AND Alonso if Massa, say, deliberately took out Vettel. And rightly so. But for anything resembling a normal racing mishap, even if an accident was Massa's fault: no way.

I wasn't implying Massa weaving around the track and going 4-5 seconds slower a lap, getting ahead and 'saving fuel' would be enough for Alonso to attack the two Red Bulls at the start of the race.

Schumacher held up Hakkinen for Irvine by 1-2 seconds a lap at Malaysia 99 and didn't receive any penalties.

If they did that, I do hope Vettel does the same as MS did with DC in Indy. Get by at the earliest chance and let Massa/Alonso look as if they were stupid. And as much as I like Massa, he probably wouldn't be capable to pull that feat off for several laps anyway, as driving defensively is not his forte, and certainly not on the same level as Schumacher was back then.

If they did that, I do hope Vettel does the same as MS did with DC in Indy. Get by at the earliest chance and let Massa/Alonso look as if they were stupid. And as much as I like Massa, he probably wouldn't be capable to pull that feat off for several laps anyway, as driving defensively is not his forte, and certainly not on the same level as Schumacher was back then.

Massa wouldn't need to defend well, he would need to defend the same way he did against Senna in Melbourne.