Many times I have said before the game starts " dig in and wait for em. u know what they will do".

If we dig in, we win. If not, reverse the results.

YOU SHOWED ITS THE PLAYER SKILL, NOT THE TANK.

Nuff Said.

I think the T59 is just fine now, and is comparable to an elite tier 8 medium, but that's a tier 10 match. See the tier 10 heavy tanks and tier 9 mediums?

I doubt this match proves anything about player skill. In fact, this match is THE EXACT REASON that WG is removing the T59 from the store. See: "This decision has been made to ensure a healthy gameplay balance at higher tiers, and also to encourage a wider variety of tier 8 medium tank usage."

I think removing the T59 is just fixing a symptom and not the root cause, but this screen cap is exactly WG's justification.

I think the T59 is just fine now, and is comparable to an elite tier 8 medium, but that's a tier 10 match. See the tier 10 heavy tanks and tier 9 mediums?

I doubt this match proves anything about player skill. In fact, this match is THE EXACT REASON that WG is removing the T59 from the store. See: "This decision has been made to ensure a healthy gameplay balance at higher tiers, and also to encourage a wider variety of tier 8 medium tank usage."

I think removing the T59 is just fixing a symptom and not the root cause, but this screen cap is exactly WG's justification.

Everything to do with player skill.

If you don't see that, then stay blind.

The t-59 is no better or worse than any other tank.

Learn how to fight it, or just hide and die.

THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS IN WAR.

If the Russians did NOT have HUGE numbers of T-34's would they have been that effective?

the point is, it's the MM.

NO ONE complains about a 1 v 1 with one, right ?

I have died early in the match many times. If t-59 is Overpowered, is the tank that kills ME then overpowered ???

This is called logic.

Learn it, make it your friend.

The germans were overpowered BY SHEER NUMBERS OF TANKS just like MM makes happen.

its kinda something good and bad
good because this tank will not be available all the time but in events only
bad because this will make hundreds of people buy it the next days and tons of people will buy it in events
so, they still did not make any real improvements
and there a talk about a new premium tank coming soon, so tell me what are you going to do to make me SATISFIED in playing the strategic game

your motto is strategic satisfaction guaranteed
These are the images of the new IS-6 which everyone is talking about!!

If the Russians did NOT have HUGE numbers of T-34's would they have been that effective?

the point is, it's the MM.

NO ONE complains about a 1 v 1 with one, right ?

I have died early in the match many times. If t-59 is Overpowered, is the tank that kills ME then overpowered ???

This is called logic.

Learn it, make it your friend.

The germans were overpowered BY SHEER NUMBERS OF TANKS just like MM makes happen.

Don't hate the tank, hate MM.

Well said

Funny thing on that match was that everyone said let's dig in and the IS-7 driver said "we sit here we die" and he steamed off to the west, 30 sec later he hits the 'help' and is swarmed by the Type-59 wolfpack. I two shot one of them on him as one of my kills.

Type-59 has 3 self destruct buttons on it, know that and your in front. VIDEO.

I don't think they need to remove it. Instead the MM should pick one or two for a match then the queue's for those with Type-59's would blow out to minutes before getting in a match and may make them pick another tank to play, slow down the rate at which credits are earned by limiting it's involvement.

So if people start buying Lowes are we going to see a campaign to get rid of or nerf that tank? I'm sure the next target will be the French line for their belt fed killer guns as soon as enough people make it to the higher tiers where all the "experienced" players are.

I really had a good laugh at this, Type 59 is OP? Are you freaking kidding me? The only thing OP about the 59 on its own is its ability to make creds. The only thing that makes 59s OP in pubs is the broken MM that just loves to stack teams, 6+ 59s on team one and a weird mix of meds and heavies on team 2 and they call it a balanced match. Now of course the 59 drivers just love forming wolf packs which is no different than any other team stacked mediums forming wolf packs. So yes there is only one thing wrong with the 59 and that is a broken MM. As for the noobs who cant kill them and are in a tier 7+, learn how to aim and stop your crying.

On a side note. Removing the type 59 from the store is not and will not rebalance the pubs. You will still see crap loads of 59s and you will still see stacked 59s one a team because the devs cant figure out how to fix MM. I mean do you really think those that own them are gonna stop using them? Wake up and smell the coffee.

This got to be one of the most dumbest solution to deal with a tank that has gotten so many negative views. Why can't just get a cap on how many t-59's can be in a match???

Exactly all I have ever asked. And I love my 59 but 6 on 1 side and 0 on other is crazy or 12 total combined on both teams. Not sure how the MM is programmed but Id be willing to wait longer for match to start if that means teams are balanced.

I screengrabbed the stats from the thread I linked earlier for ease. It clearly shows that as a class, T8 mediums ALL exceed the average win % for tanks.

The only other classes of tank to do this were T5 lights and T7 TDs. And the total number of battles fought by ALL those other "OP class" tanks was only twice the number fought by a single tank- you guessed it - the Type 59.

I think this is right and incidentally why the old type 59 matchmaking was so absurd. Tier 8 meds already get really nice matchmaking as it is.

Anyway, Panther II is one of my favorite tanks and purely pubbing I have achieved a very nice win rate in it. I think it gets good matches. On the other hand, if it were expanded one battle level, it would be overmatched. Pershing, although I haven't played it, I think is slightly better. The gun is very similar given that you should be shooting sides and it has better agility and can hull down better. Anyway...

I don't think they need to remove it. Instead the MM should pick one or two for a match then the queue's for those with Type-59's would blow out to minutes before getting in a match and may make them pick another tank to play, slow down the rate at which credits are earned by limiting it's involvement.

My 5c.

Sarbie

This is a GREAT idea. Hell, its so good that we should make it so only two premiums of any kind can be in any given match (including the Lowe and Mutant 6 that you own, Sarbie), that way we can kill of the entire premium population.

This is a GREAT idea. Hell, its so good that we should make it so only two premiums of any kind can be in any given match (including the Lowe and Mutant 6 that you own, Sarbie), that way we can kill of the entire premium population.