I never said Matthews wasnt any good. I said you’re fooling yourself if you are going to take Ware over Matthews.

I’m not black, so dont even go there with that, I could care less. But when you blindly come out and say you would easily take Matthew over Ware than obviously there is something underneath that decision.

Just say you’re a fudgepacker and it’d be clear for everyone why you said that. Nuff said
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Is that a Typo there closis or what, we Agree, youre now saying your fooling yourself if you are going to take Ware over Matthews…..LOL

No were in our conversation ahve I said anything about your race, I could care less. I’ve never said anything other than I think they are very comparable players. The one big difference is you never see Ware drop into coverage, were as Matthews does it quite often.

so now you have to go with the fudgepacker stuff, when all your arguments fail you degenerate to name calling, Oh well only shows what a little man or whatever you truly are.

]]>By: closisgoodhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/27/demarcus-ware-i-should-have-been-no-1/#comment-1112617
Fri, 01 Jul 2011 18:43:37 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=137127#comment-1112617I never said Matthews wasnt any good. I said you’re fooling yourself if you are going to take Ware over Matthews.

I’m not black, so dont even go there with that, I could care less. But when you blindly come out and say you would easily take Matthew over Ware than obviously there is something underneath that decision.

Just say you’re a fudgepacker and it’d be clear for everyone why you said that. Nuff said

The whole exchange seems to go back to someone saying that Matthews is the 4th best player in the league. You tried to say that Clay was as big (wrong), as fast (wrong), and as strong (also wrong) as Ware. That Clay was an every down LB (as is Ware). Demarcus has been the sack champ on multiple occasions and was robbed of DPOY after his 20 sack season.

Go ahead and come out and say you prefer him because he’s a Packer instead of getting defensive or trying to make up stats.

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First off I never said Matthews was top 4, I think were he was ranked at 19 was just about right. So Ware has 1 inch, 10 pounds, and just a bit faster. OK whatever if you want to split hairs. I’m not the one getting defensive nor have I made up any stats. I admit Ware is a great player, I’d take him on my team. My problem was Closisgood won’t acknowledge Matthews is also a great player and the reason he can’t or won’t say that is because Matthews is white. I would have thought since no other team is close you guys would have known I was a Packer fan by my 13xworldchamps

The whole exchange seems to go back to someone saying that Matthews is the 4th best player in the league. You tried to say that Clay was as big (wrong), as fast (wrong), and as strong (also wrong) as Ware. That Clay was an every down LB (as is Ware). Demarcus has been the sack champ on multiple occasions and was robbed of DPOY after his 20 sack season.

Go ahead and come out and say you prefer him because he’s a Packer instead of getting defensive or trying to make up stats.

Also, Matthews is put on the right tackle, typically less talented compared to a LEFT tackle.

Matthews gets to use his talent against weaker
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Weak argument closet Racist, Ware moves around, he doesn’t play every snap on the Right side of the defense, I know when the Packers played the Cowboys they had him lined up against our right tackle the Majority of the snaps. it’s only common sense these days to move these dominant rushers around, The Packers do the same thing with Matthews. When we Played the Eagles and the Steelers in the Playoffs Matthews played a lot of snaps int the middle and was spying on Vick and Roethlisberger.

Again these guys are both great players, I’d take either one, but since Matthews is on my favorite team I’ll take what I have and be very happy, I’d take Ware though without a second thought. You can’t say the same though, because you are a racist and a hater. Grow and see people for who and what they are, not what they look like…………..

]]>By: closisgoodhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/27/demarcus-ware-i-should-have-been-no-1/#comment-1109186
Tue, 28 Jun 2011 17:48:35 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=137127#comment-1109186Also, Matthews is put on the right tackle, typically less talented compared to a LEFT tackle.

Matthews gets to use his talent against weaker opposition

]]>By: closisgoodhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/27/demarcus-ware-i-should-have-been-no-1/#comment-1109037
Tue, 28 Jun 2011 15:54:55 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=137127#comment-1109037then tell me why exactly you think Matthews wuld go over Ware? If you yourself say he isn’t better than why choose him? Thats my point, there is only one reason you would choose Clay over Demarcus
]]>By: 13xworldchampshttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/27/demarcus-ware-i-should-have-been-no-1/#comment-1108916
Tue, 28 Jun 2011 14:20:40 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=137127#comment-1108916Ware also creates a *lot* more fumbles than Matthews (he’s got 25 in 6 seasons. Matthews has 3 in 2 seasons). Age would be a factor if Ware were an older guy but he’s only 28.

Not arguing Ware’s production, Again, he is a great player. I bet if you asked him, he’d give up all of his 25 fumbles for the 1 that Matthew’s got in the Superbowl at the start of the 4th quarter.

]]>By: manofaikihttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/27/demarcus-ware-i-should-have-been-no-1/#comment-1108904
Tue, 28 Jun 2011 14:01:14 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=137127#comment-1108904One thing that makes Ware’s dominance stand out in my mind is that he’s gotten almost no help during the past 3 seasons off the other side since Ellis left for Oakland.

Anthony Spencer provides almost no pressure coming from the other side. Only during the second half of the 2009 seasons has Spencer EVER looked like he was pulling the double teams and protections over from Ware’s side. And last season Spencer was totally invisible. Again.

Because other than being white with long blonde hair, explain to me why matthews would be better than Ware? Ware is better on and off the field, is a veteran…well if all these plyaers were 22 going into their rookie seasons, Ware would be drafted far higher than Matthews….UNLESS you’re white. Thats like saying you of people would wanna take Hillis over CJ2k or A.D.

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Read my post, I didn’t say “BETTER” I said you could make a case for taking Matthews over Ware. My observations were based on fact, you my friend are clearly a racist. You are the one saying white with long blonde hair. How pathetic you are. My observations were based on performance, not with some chip on my shoulder. I think DeMarcus Ware is a great player and would love to have him on my team. You can’t say the same thing about Clay Matthews, not based on his stellar performance on the field, but simply because he is white. Then having to mention the running backs…wow get a life and grow up. people like you are what’s wrong with this country right now.

QB league? Trent Dilfer can be your QB so long as you have a good D. As proven.

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If by “good D” you actually meant “one of the top 5 defenses in the history of he game.”

I mean they only had 4 shutouts and 9 games where they held opponents to 10 or less points. And only averaged 10.3 points against per game.

Just saying, good is a bit of an understatement.

]]>By: melonnheadhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/27/demarcus-ware-i-should-have-been-no-1/#comment-1108461
Mon, 27 Jun 2011 21:28:59 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=137127#comment-1108461As for Ware … I’m still think about what it must have been like to watch he and Osi Umenyiora play high school ball on the same team. Wow

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They both went to Troy St., too! I remember reading a story about how they used to push each other. Once they were both about to crush some poor college QB and Osi hand-checked Ware in the shoulder so he could get the sack. And of course it went both ways, they say every play before the snap they’d look at each other and each knew what the other was thinking… “I’m gonna get there first!”

Ah yes, our friend Soulman45. Still not quite up on the rules of the English language, I see. Your comments clearly show your ignorance. Your grammar merely drives the ignorance home.

]]>By: closisgoodhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/27/demarcus-ware-i-should-have-been-no-1/#comment-1108410
Mon, 27 Jun 2011 20:29:33 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=137127#comment-1108410Because other than being white with long blonde hair, explain to me why matthews would be better than Ware? Ware is better on and off the field, is a veteran…well if all these plyaers were 22 going into their rookie seasons, Ware would be drafted far higher than Matthews….UNLESS you’re white. Thats like saying you of people would wanna take Hillis over CJ2k or A.D.
]]>By: melonnheadhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/27/demarcus-ware-i-should-have-been-no-1/#comment-1108389
Mon, 27 Jun 2011 20:09:11 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=137127#comment-1108389Why does everyone think a lb getting sacks is impressive??? Give me a lb who can cover and get ints over a sack machine anyday. How many sacks do you think derrick brooks had in his career?

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So you have trouble understanding the difference between LB’s in a 3-4 scheme vs. LB’s in a 4-3 scheme? Let me help you. Think of DeMarcus Ware as a defensive end.

]]>By: melonnheadhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/27/demarcus-ware-i-should-have-been-no-1/#comment-1108381
Mon, 27 Jun 2011 20:03:48 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=137127#comment-1108381Are you serious? Please explain how picking Matthews over Ware is Racist? It’s a fair argument to pick Matthews. Younger, Just as fast, just as strong, just as many sacks his first 2 years, Complete player, never comes off the field.

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One thing Ware has that Matthews never will is that quick first step at the snap. Ware is bigger, stronger *and* faster (6’4″, 265, 4.56 40, 27 bench press reps) than Matthews (6’3″, 255, 4.62 40, 23 reps). Ware also creates a *lot* more fumbles than Matthews (he’s got 25 in 6 seasons. Matthews has 3 in 2 seasons). Age would be a factor if Ware were an older guy but he’s only 28.

]]>By: stavreafavrehttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/27/demarcus-ware-i-should-have-been-no-1/#comment-1108369
Mon, 27 Jun 2011 19:54:46 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=137127#comment-1108369I think I should be married to Cindy Crawford or Elle McPherson. Or both. And I can make an argument for it. However…
]]>By: silkyjohnson937http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/27/demarcus-ware-i-should-have-been-no-1/#comment-1108357
Mon, 27 Jun 2011 19:38:41 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=137127#comment-1108357Why does everyone think a lb getting sacks is impressive??? Give me a lb who can cover and get ints over a sack machine anyday. How many sacks do you think derrick brooks had in his career? and where would you rank him among all time linebackers?
]]>By: smellmyfacehttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/27/demarcus-ware-i-should-have-been-no-1/#comment-1108342
Mon, 27 Jun 2011 19:23:14 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=137127#comment-1108342To be #1 you have to play for a winning team. The Cowboys are full of some good prospects and a QB with competition anxiety.
]]>By: 13xworldchampshttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/27/demarcus-ware-i-should-have-been-no-1/#comment-1108340
Mon, 27 Jun 2011 19:19:53 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=137127#comment-1108340Closisgood

Only reason you would take Matthews @ pick 4 in general, or over Ware is because you’re fan-boy and/or blatantly racist

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Are you serious? Please explain how picking Matthews over Ware is Racist? It’s a fair argument to pick Matthews. Younger, Just as fast, just as strong, just as many sacks his first 2 years, Complete player, never comes off the field. Could have (Should have) been Defensive Player of the year. You my friend are the Racist for even suggesting this.

]]>By: geemoney713http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/27/demarcus-ware-i-should-have-been-no-1/#comment-1108332
Mon, 27 Jun 2011 19:10:45 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=137127#comment-1108332@tjacks7 – “Over Ed Reed? Come on Gregg that guy missed almost half the season and still lead the league in picks. He’s as big of an anchor as there is on any defense.”

It’s hard to call anyone an anchor or top 10 in the league for a given year if the player didn’t even play half the year.

]]>By: Soulman45http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/27/demarcus-ware-i-should-have-been-no-1/#comment-1108327
Mon, 27 Jun 2011 19:05:40 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=137127#comment-1108327How can a cowgirl be #1 it should be a
” GREAT DETROIT LIONS”
“Barry Sanders”
]]>By: 13xworldchampshttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/27/demarcus-ware-i-should-have-been-no-1/#comment-1108304
Mon, 27 Jun 2011 18:44:30 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=137127#comment-1108304The question is, if you had to start a franchise today and could pick any available player to be your cornerstone who would it be? Hands down it would be Aaron Rodgers………….
]]>By: closisgoodhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/27/demarcus-ware-i-should-have-been-no-1/#comment-1108299
Mon, 27 Jun 2011 18:38:59 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=137127#comment-1108299Only reason you would take Matthews @ pick 4 in general, or over Ware is because you’re fan-boy and/or blatantly racist.

Ware is a great a human off the field as he is on. Look him up, his charity work, and how he even declined receiving money from the PA

Uh, dude, Ware has 80 sacks in his career. Tuck has been in the league the same amount of time. In that time he has 40.5 sacks and Ware has exceeded Tuck’s best season ever (12 sacks) on three different occasions.

]]>By: kcflakehttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/27/demarcus-ware-i-should-have-been-no-1/#comment-1108247
Mon, 27 Jun 2011 17:54:04 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=137127#comment-1108247Jamall Charles should be ranked higher than Adrian Peterson. Jamall is the best back in the league Bar None.
]]>By: jacksaysfuhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/27/demarcus-ware-i-should-have-been-no-1/#comment-1108239
Mon, 27 Jun 2011 17:41:46 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=137127#comment-1108239Ware would be 1st on alot of draft boards ? Wow , thank God your not the GM of my team Gregg !!

And if this list was based on 2011 #1-#4 (in no particular order ) would be Brady , Vick , Rodgers and Clay Matthews . Hell maybe even throw Phillip Rivers in there . This list is a popularity contest , a joke !

]]>By: tinbender2000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/27/demarcus-ware-i-should-have-been-no-1/#comment-1108237
Mon, 27 Jun 2011 17:40:43 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=137127#comment-1108237You want to be #1, too bad you play for a team that’s a steaming pile of #2
]]>By: cup0pizzahttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/27/demarcus-ware-i-should-have-been-no-1/#comment-1108215
Mon, 27 Jun 2011 17:16:50 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=137127#comment-1108215Best player in the league, but the list is stupid. DWare94 is the man.
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