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Re: My Blockbuster Offseason Slobber-Knocker

That's too fluffy. I'm somewhere in between this and Krusty's proposal. I'd prefer to hang onto Phillips and Cueto. Instead I'd offer them Todd Frazier, Juan Francisco and their choice of Daryl Thompson or Homer Bailey for Holliday. If they balked at that I'd offer them Bronson Arroyo and their choice of Chris Valaika or Jeff Keppinger. My final offer would be Votto for Holliday and $10 MM. Then I'd use the $10 MM to find a 1B until Alonso is ready.

Re: My Blockbuster Offseason Slobber-Knocker

This is getting a bit surreal.

"This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

Re: My Blockbuster Offseason Slobber-Knocker

Originally Posted by jojo

This is getting a bit surreal.

Is it though? I would argue that Frazier, Thompson/Bailey, and Francisco is a significantly better return than what the Reds got for Dunn- who was also in a walk-year. Now obviously the pricetag would be higher in terms of talent if you acquired him before the season began, but I think the latter two offers (Arroyo+ and Votto) certainly reflect that.

Re: My Blockbuster Offseason Slobber-Knocker

Originally Posted by Benihana

Is it though? I would argue that Frazier, Thompson/Bailey, and Francisco is a significantly better return than what the Reds got for Dunn- who was also in a walk-year. Now obviously the pricetag would be higher in terms of talent if you acquired him before the season began, but I think the latter two offers (Arroyo+ and Votto) certainly reflect that.

Dunn was in his walk month.

"This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

Re: My Blockbuster Offseason Slobber-Knocker

Originally Posted by Benihana

and all three of my offers were significantly more than Dunn fetched. Especially the latter two.

And they weren't good enough.

"This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

Re: My Blockbuster Offseason Slobber-Knocker

When we start talking about the Mariners, we'll give you a call. Until then, as you were.

Seriously, you need to ignore the Reds point of view and look at every trade you propose from the other guy's point of view.

For instance, the Rockies aren't going to pay 75% of Holliday's salary in a deal even if the commissioner's office would let them.

But ignore that....they've got a *little* problem at first base that I'm sure they'd like to clear up before getting another one.

Arroyo really isn't the type of arm they want for their rotation-especially at market rates. As for Fraizier, they might be mildly interested in him but I'm sure he's not on their short list of second baseman.

As for talking about the Mariners you're doing that in another thread.....

"This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

Re: My Blockbuster Offseason Slobber-Knocker

I don't deal long term solutions for a 1 year rental. Creating holes in one or two spots to temporarily fill a hole in another spot seems like a good plan for going backwards. I probably wouldn't deal Cueto, Volquez, Votto or Bruce at all. If I did it would be Tulowitzki I'd want back to solve my long term problem at SS, not a one year rental.

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