Then you will likely get most use out of a 48t chairing as in:48/16 for warmup and training races48/15 for beginner racing
49/15 for beginner racing
50/15 for beginner and/or intermediate racing
47/14 for intermediate racing48/14 for intermediate and/or advanced racing
49/14 for advanced racing
50/14 for advanced racing

This is a common gear progression at our track for beginners. As you get stronger you will be able to push bigger gears. Notice how the 48 gets lots of use. If you already have a 48, I suggest buying in this order:

I'm not sure of your budget. Sugino Zen are nice, but expensive. Consider FSA Pro chainrings. They cost 1/2 of what Zen rings cost and are slightly heavier, but are very strong and round. They are used on bikes raced on a world class level.

I hear good things about Blackspire, too. But, I don't have any personal experience with them.

Then you will likely get most use out of a 48t chairing as in:48/16 for warmup and training races48/15 for beginner racing
49/15 for beginner racing
50/15 for beginner and/or intermediate racing
47/14 for intermediate racing48/14 for intermediate and/or advanced racing
49/14 for advanced racing
50/14 for advanced racing

This is a common gear progression at our track for beginners. As you get stronger you will be able to push bigger gears. Notice how the 48 gets lots of use. If you already have a 48, I suggest buying in this order:

I'm not sure of your budget. Sugino Zen are nice, but expensive. Consider FSA Pro chainrings. They cost 1/2 of what Zen rings cost and are slightly heavier, but are very strong and round. They are used on bikes raced on a world class level.

I hear good things about Blackspire, too. But, I don't have any personal experience with them.

As for the chainring I think I will stay with the Sugino Zen , the FSA Pro is already in my arsenal !

My $.02 on this one is: when the elite guys are running 49x15 why should I do anything different? Former olympians, masters world record holders, blah blah blah. Biggest gear I ran at the Sandy Eggo track was a 50x15. 98% of the time I was in a 49x15 combo. Not going fast enough? Spin faster!

My $.02 on this one is: when the elite guys are running 49x15 why should I do anything different? Former olympians, masters world record holders, blah blah blah. Biggest gear I ran at the Sandy Eggo track was a 50x15. 98% of the time I was in a 49x15 combo. Not going fast enough? Spin faster!

I *have* all the rings, I just never use(d) em!

Your track may vary...

M

Thank you for your input Gummee . Really enjoy using the 49x15 gearing but I will probably get the 50t so I have more options .

the few times you go to the track makes for a different style of racing than what is usualyl discussed here. There is nothing wrong with not racing seriously, or anything, but here its a bit more serious, so there is more minor detail taken in.

Kayce , I completely understand what you are talking about , I been to my local track a couple of times and it has made me want to compete more seriously . Sometimes there are days where I want to see how hard I can push it while other days I want to see if I can even hang with a warm up gear haha .

Canemaster , I use 165mm length crankarms and I use 48x15-6 on the streets while I train and commute , really depends what I am doing .

Kayce , I completely understand what you are talking about , I been to my local track a couple of times and it has made me want to compete more seriously . Sometimes there are days where I want to see how hard I can push it while other days I want to see if I can even hang with a warm up gear haha .

Canemaster , I use 165mm length crankarms and I use 48x15-6 on the streets while I train and commute , really depends what I am doing .

Man, if you've only been to the track a couple of times, you certainly don't need a complete kit of gears. You simply won't use them. 48/16 and 48/15 is all you need. This is sort of like having 4 tennis racquets when you've only been to the tennis courts a few times.

People change gears to help achieve a training effect by either choosing gears under or over a normal gear for the situation. But, going every now and then simply won't warrant such. Changing gears now simply won't do you any good. You haven't established any optimal cadence or torque ranges for yourself.

BUT, if you intend to start training regularly (by "regularly" I mean 3-5 times a week) and maybe racing, then you will likely get use out of your gears. Just remember, you still won't start progressing off of the 48/15 for quite a while. Maybe a month or two...and that's assuming you go a few times a week.

I am really glad there are people like you guys who are willing to help novices such as myself .

Carleton , I totally get your reference about the tennis racquets , I am an avid badminton player so I have a few racquets and I do not understand why people need so many different (even expensive) ones if the are only going to casually play .

My reason for gearing up is because I have been running 48x15 quite some time now (over a year) and train at least three times a week . I usually practice my different speeds of my cadence in a closed off circuit-like pavement near my home ; it is not much of a velodrome but its a great practice area . I hold some local races in my community there sometimes and every since then I really wanted to visit my nearest track . Living now in SF my local track is much farther so I don't get to see it often but when I am there I do enjoy myself .

The gearing I am currently using at the moment is fairly easy to push now and my endurance to keep it steady is I would say is pretty good too . When I am on the track I feel like I am over-spinning ? I have no idea of that makes sense ; like I know I can go faster and I am not struggling but people end up passing me with a slower cadence , maybe they just have a much bigger gear ?

The gearing I am currently using at the moment is fairly easy to push now and my endurance to keep it steady is I would say is pretty good too . When I am on the track I feel like I am over-spinning ? I have no idea of that makes sense ; like I know I can go faster and I am not struggling but people end up passing me with a slower cadence , maybe they just have a much bigger gear ?

That means that they're running a bigger gear. Bigger gear = faster at lower cadence but, at the expense of being able to attack or respond as quickly. If you're spinning out at 86 gear inches, your cheapest & best bet is to train to spin quicker.

I have no idea what the track is like at Hellyer, but at Burnaby 86.4 gear inches ( 48x15 ) or 88.6 ( 49x15 ) are pretty much perfect gears for most. You can go fast without spinning out, and you can still attack without burning your legs out.

Its very interesting to see what others ride at other tracks. It'd be interesting to also see what kind of level people are racing these gears at. From my own experience, you all seem to run really, really tiny gears!

About 90% of the time I'm in 96 inches (50/14). I might go up for a pursuit or team pursuit (98, 51/14) or a Kierin (100, 52/14). Sometimes I'll go down for points (94, 49/14), or if they have one lap standing start races I might drop into the high 80's. The majority of the guys I race against other than the odd junior on a restricted gear would generally race within 2" either way of me.

I know whatcha mean. There were some nites where I'd be thinking 'slow down or speed up! Pick one!!'

Course, that's why its 'racing' and not 'JRA'

M

This is why learning to modulate with RPMs is the key to doing well in such races. You can't change gears during the race, but you can learn to spin faster (100, 110, 120, 130, 140 RPMs)

Originally Posted by sideshow_bob

Its very interesting to see what others ride at other tracks. It'd be interesting to also see what kind of level people are racing these gears at. From my own experience, you all seem to run really, really tiny gears!

About 90% of the time I'm in 96 inches (50/14). I might go up for a pursuit or team pursuit (98, 51/14) or a Kierin (100, 52/14). Sometimes I'll go down for points (94, 49/14), or if they have one lap standing start races I might drop into the high 80's. The majority of the guys I race against other than the odd junior on a restricted gear would generally race within 2" either way of me.

Gearing is often dictated by the track surface and dimensions. Gearing for the same event on a 188M track would be much lower than when raced on a 333 or 400M track. Then there is cement vs tarmac vs wood. Oh, then there is track smoothness vs humpy/bumpy.

Racers will have their favorite gear for an event then go up or down 1 or 2 inches (or more) to race on a different track.

I am really glad there are people like you guys who are willing to help novices such as myself .

Carleton , I totally get your reference about the tennis racquets , I am an avid badminton player so I have a few racquets and I do not understand why people need so many different (even expensive) ones if the are only going to casually play .

My reason for gearing up is because I have been running 48x15 quite some time now (over a year) and train at least three times a week . I usually practice my different speeds of my cadence in a closed off circuit-like pavement near my home ; it is not much of a velodrome but its a great practice area . I hold some local races in my community there sometimes and every since then I really wanted to visit my nearest track . Living now in SF my local track is much farther so I don't get to see it often but when I am there I do enjoy myself .

The gearing I am currently using at the moment is fairly easy to push now and my endurance to keep it steady is I would say is pretty good too . When I am on the track I feel like I am over-spinning ? I have no idea of that makes sense ; like I know I can go faster and I am not struggling but people end up passing me with a slower cadence , maybe they just have a much bigger gear ?

I am so sorry for all the questions everyone .

Rollers and/or an indoor trainer will help. Also, a road bike will help tremendously. You don't need to be on a track bike to train to race on the track. In fact, if you had a coach he/she would have you do a significant amount of training using your road bike even if you lived next door to a track.

Gearing is often dictated by the track surface and dimensions. Gearing for the same event on a 188M track would be much lower than when raced on a 333 or 400M track. Then there is cement vs tarmac vs wood. Oh, then there is track smoothness vs humpy/bumpy.

Sure I understand all that Carleton, I've raced a lot - Elite Cat1, Masters Nationals, Masters Worlds. I'm regularly on a variety of tracks, flat hot mix 440m, banked concrete 333m, wood 250m and while my gears do change an inch or two depending - it still seems a long way from what a lot of the guys here are talking about as being 'normal' ie in the high 80's.

Power is power, and physiologically in a race you can develop the same required wattage by either spinning faster on a small gear, or spinning slower on a bigger gear. Generally the former over taxes your aerobic capacity, the latter your lactate capacity. So in short races say a match sprint I can see how the sprinters mantra of spinning faster is a good thing. But in say a 20km scratch race that's rolling along at around 50km/h - at some point spinning a 86" gear at 130+ rpm your lungs will say no more.

There's no point to any of this, I'm just making an interesting observation that it seems a lot of guys are rolling on what in my experience are comparatively really small gears. If that's working for them then that's all that matters, but as per my comment I'd be curious to match those numbers up to the level of racing they are doing as I think it'd be interesting to see.

Sure I understand all that Carleton, I've raced a lot - Elite Cat1, Masters Nationals, Masters Worlds. I'm regularly on a variety of tracks, flat hot mix 440m, banked concrete 333m, wood 250m and while my gears do change an inch or two depending - it still seems a long way from what a lot of the guys here are talking about as being 'normal' ie in the high 80's.

Power is power, and physiologically in a race you can develop the same required wattage by either spinning faster on a small gear, or spinning slower on a bigger gear. Generally the former over taxes your aerobic capacity, the latter your lactate capacity. So in short races say a match sprint I can see how the sprinters mantra of spinning faster is a good thing. But in say a 20km scratch race that's rolling along at around 50km/h - at some point spinning a 86" gear at 130+ rpm your lungs will say no more.

There's no point to any of this, I'm just making an interesting observation that it seems a lot of guys are rolling on what in my experience are comparatively really small gears. If that's working for them then that's all that matters, but as per my comment I'd be curious to match those numbers up to the level of racing they are doing as I think it'd be interesting to see.

At DLV in Atlanta, a common points race gear for the B category will be around 90-92". For the A category 92-94". Of course, there are those that can push higher.

DLV is the home track to Dan Holt (2010 & 2011 Elite Points Race Champ). I think he raced a much higher gear in LA for elites than he uses at DLV. I think he geared up based on the faster surface, the faster field, and adrenalin