On Feb 5, 10:46=A0pm, "DonkeyBanAA" <freddiearba...@yahoo.com > wrote: > i studied with russ a few lessons ___ Dam he knows his poker and how to > read player > Thanks Russ for the lessons -- I know it will help me in the future > > o0o good luck burros > > ---=A0 > * kill-files, watch-lists, favorites, and more..www.recgroups.com

If you are talking about Stud you are right. Last time I played with Russ I won thousands of dollars in a RNG game on PokerStars. Russ called out the hands spot on. Seriously, It was 30/60 and we finished the session + $6k I think? Could have been $8k. We kept breaking the table, it was that bad. Stud is a game of skill though, flop games not so much.

You haven't a clue to what your saying. Me trying to set up people on RGP for a scam, even a small scam? If I asked dozens of RGP regulars for a couple-few hundred, this would certainly qualify as 'small scams' in your book'? Well, I have news for you, I could easily ask and get these amounts from at least a couple of dozen regular RGPers.

It certainly makes no sense to spend $100,000 to try and beat a couple of dozen RGPers for $200 or so each. There have been many discussions where I had gotten sick in previous years and gone into large debt since I was sick and in bed. Large debts meaning owing personal amounts of over several hundred thousand. It was all paid back. Between, 1988 and 1992, I had five heart attacks. In 1993 or 94, I had a quadruple bypass, which had me laid up quite a while.

On Feb 11, 8:56=EF=BF=BDam, "John_Brian_K" <a7ec...@webnntp.invalid > wrote: > > And as DoggyFuck says Russ is setting me up for a big scam........ Coul= d > > be, but that is part of the fun now isn't it? > > No he is not setting you up for a big scam. =EF=BF=BDYou and him and a fe= w others > are trying desperately to set up as many other people as you can for a > scam. > > Russ is a scammer it is in his blood, he boasts about it. =EF=BF=BDI am s= ure their > is nothing more he would like to do than scam a few people on here for > 'peanuts'. > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious, > nor will =EF=BF=BDI =EF=BF=BDconsider you =EF=BF=BDnecessarily wise =EF= =BF=BDbecause you are =EF=BF=BDgrave. > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > 47.5% of all statistics are made up on the spot. > JBK > > ----=EF=BF=BD > looking for a better newsgroup-reader? -www.recgroups.com

> You haven't a clue to what your saying. Me trying to set up people on > RGP for a scam, even a small scam? If I asked dozens of RGP regulars > for a couple-few hundred, this would certainly qualify as 'small > scams' in your book'? Well, I have news for you, I could easily ask > and get these amounts from at least a couple of dozen regular RGPers. > > It certainly makes no sense to spend $100,000 to try and beat a couple > of dozen RGPers for $200 or so each. There have been many discussions > where I had gotten sick in previous years and gone into large debt > since I was sick and in bed. Large debts meaning owing personal > amounts of over several hundred thousand. It was all paid back. > Between, 1988 and 1992, I had five heart attacks. In 1993 or 94, I had > a quadruple bypass, which had me laid up quite a while.

Russ , you have gone to great lengths to position yourself as a ruthless , vindictive , liar and thief.

YOU MADE YOUR BED .. Your outrage at the normal skepticism is comical to watch !! > > > > > > On Feb 11, 8:56ï¿½am, "John_Brian_K" <a7ec...@webnntp.invalid> wrote: > > > And as DoggyFuck says Russ is setting me up for a big scam........ Could > > > be, but that is part of the fun now isn't it? > > > > No he is not setting you up for a big scam. ï¿½You and him and a few others > > are trying desperately to set up as many other people as you can for a > > scam. > > > > Russ is a scammer it is in his blood, he boasts about it. ï¿½I am sure their > > is nothing more he would like to do than scam a few people on here for > > 'peanuts'. > > > > ========================================== > > You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious, > > nor will ï¿½I ï¿½consider you ï¿½necessarily wise ï¿½because you are ï¿½grave. > > ============================== > > 47.5% of all statistics are made up on the spot. > > JBK > > > > ----ï¿½ > > looking for a better newsgroup-reader? -www.recgroups.com

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire

The reason you know I don't have a program capable of reading the hands is because I post on RGP. If I had this program, I'd be using it 24/7.

On Feb 6, 4:29=EF=BF=BDpm, "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid > wrote: > On Feb 6 2009 9:57 AM, Porsche_Dan wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 6 2009 7:22 AM, FangBanger wrote: > > > > On Feb 6 2009 3:58 AM, Porsche_Dan wrote: > > > > > On Feb 5, 10:46=EF=BF=BDpm, "DonkeyBanAA" <freddiearba...@yahoo.com= > wrote: > > > > > i studied with russ a few lessons ___ Dam he knows his poker and = how to > > > > > read player > > > > > Thanks Russ for the lessons -- I know it will help me in the futu= re > > > > > > o0o good luck burros > > > > > If you are talking about Stud you are right. Last time I played wit= h > > > > Russ I won thousands of dollars in a RNG game on PokerStars. Russ > > > > called out the hands spot on. Seriously, It was 30/60 and we finish= ed > > > > the session + $6k I think? Could have been $8k. We kept breaking th= e > > > > table, it was that bad. Stud is a game of skill though, flop games = not > > > > so much. > > > > So you and Russ cheated the game ? > > > Russ and I spoke by phone, he taught me how he reads the board and bets > > while I played. He was not in the game, just watching. With Russ's help= it > > sure felt like cheating though. A lot of what he said goes against comm= on > > poker strategy. But as most successful cash players know, TVSM poker > > strategy is wrong. > > > I don't play Omaha, but I have watched Russ crush Hi/Lo games. > > > If you do play with Russ play in the mornings, he does quit well agains= t > > the Euro crowd. Russ also likes his evening cocktails! ;-) > > How do you know that Russ doesnt have a program to see cards , and has > been put out of business , and is using your account to pick up a few > bucks ? > > What if he is hustling you ? > > What if he is setting you up for some big "stake" deal and will fuck you > silly ? > > What if Russ's hand reading ability is no better than any average player = , > and he simply "forced" it onto you , adding some smoke , and you ate it u= p > ? > > I have a friend who plays in the HORSE game on FTP every day , and I will > sweat him , and guess his cards , as the action goes on .. it aint rocket > science > > YOU ARE BEING PLAYED FOR A TRICK > > And for anyone who thinks these things are out of the question .. hasnt > Russ already convinced us that he is a cheatin , hustling scumbag ? > > Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities= . > Voltaire > > --------=EF=BF=BD > looking for a better newsgroup-reader? -www.recgroups.com- Hide quoted te= xt - > > - Show quoted text -

> The reason you know I don't have a program capable of reading the > hands is because I post on RGP. If I had this program, I'd be using it > 24/7.

OK NOW WAIT A MINUTE !! You make the above claim , and you say that you have money , and you say that you are a WCP , and yet you dont play any more ?

Now which is it ?

If you "could read the hole cards you would always be playing ".. but you said that the way you cheated was 'ULTRA LUCRATIVE " .. SO WHY WOULD YOU STOP?

on one hand you say you dont play anymore , then you say you would if you could cheat like that .. then you say that your cheating methods would still work .

The same exact logic that you pasted Wayne (Moron ) Vinson with.. could in fact be used on you as well.

You need to seperate your fraudulent statemnts

> > > > > > > On Feb 6, 4:29ï¿½pm, "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid> wrote: > > On Feb 6 2009 9:57 AM, Porsche_Dan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 6 2009 7:22 AM, FangBanger wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 6 2009 3:58 AM, Porsche_Dan wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 5, 10:46ï¿½pm, "DonkeyBanAA" <freddiearba...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > i studied with russ a few lessons ___ Dam he knows his poker and how to > > > > > > read player > > > > > > Thanks Russ for the lessons -- I know it will help me in the future > > > > > > > > o0o good luck burros > > > > > > > If you are talking about Stud you are right. Last time I played with > > > > > Russ I won thousands of dollars in a RNG game on PokerStars. Russ > > > > > called out the hands spot on. Seriously, It was 30/60 and we finished > > > > > the session + $6k I think? Could have been $8k. We kept breaking the > > > > > table, it was that bad. Stud is a game of skill though, flop games not > > > > > so much. > > > > > > So you and Russ cheated the game ? > > > > > Russ and I spoke by phone, he taught me how he reads the board and bets > > > while I played. He was not in the game, just watching. With Russ's help it > > > sure felt like cheating though. A lot of what he said goes against common > > > poker strategy. But as most successful cash players know, TVSM poker > > > strategy is wrong. > > > > > I don't play Omaha, but I have watched Russ crush Hi/Lo games. > > > > > If you do play with Russ play in the mornings, he does quit well against > > > the Euro crowd. Russ also likes his evening cocktails! ;-) > > > > How do you know that Russ doesnt have a program to see cards , and has > > been put out of business , and is using your account to pick up a few > > bucks ? > > > > What if he is hustling you ? > > > > What if he is setting you up for some big "stake" deal and will fuck you > > silly ? > > > > What if Russ's hand reading ability is no better than any average player , > > and he simply "forced" it onto you , adding some smoke , and you ate it up > > ? > > > > I have a friend who plays in the HORSE game on FTP every day , and I will > > sweat him , and guess his cards , as the action goes on .. it aint rocket > > science > > > > YOU ARE BEING PLAYED FOR A TRICK > > > > And for anyone who thinks these things are out of the question .. hasnt > > Russ already convinced us that he is a cheatin , hustling scumbag ? > > > > Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.. > > Voltaire > > > > --------ï¿½ > > looking for a better newsgroup-reader? -www.recgroups.com- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire

Well, it won't go and play Beal and negotiation on a neutral site is out. He told me where he wanted to play, no negotiations at a neutral site. Please show me a post where he offered to negotiate and not dictate?

On Feb 8, 1:00=EF=BF=BDpm, "Wayne Vinson" <a7a8...@webnntp.invalid > wrote: > > Russ - if you want to show people you can win, all you have to do is go > > out and do it. =EF=BF=BDYou don't need one of us to put up money. =EF= =BF=BDUnless you're > > broke of course. > > > Once a cheat, always a cheat. > > > Wayne Vinson > >http://cardsharp.org/ > > Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com > > I should also mention that if you wanted to prove your ability, there was > no better chance than the Barry Greenstein match. =EF=BF=BDI'm sure he's = still > game. > > Wayne Vinsonhttp://cardsharp.org/ > Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com > > -----=EF=BF=BD > : the next generation of web-newsreaders :http://www.recgroups.com

> Well, it won't go and play Beal and negotiation on a neutral site is > out. He told me where he wanted to play, no negotiations at a neutral > site. Please show me a post where he offered to negotiate and not > dictate?

On Feb 8, 12:49=EF=BF=BDpm, "Wayne Vinson" <a7a8...@webnntp.invalid > wrote: > On Feb 8 2009 12:38 PM, RussGeorg...@aol.com wrote: > > > It's all quiet on the Western Front. Also, the Eastern, Northern and > > Southern Fronts also. It's not even a challenge, more like a gift. > > But, they don't want to show I can win:). It would show they don't > > have a clue to what they're talking about. > > Russ - if you want to show people you can win, all you have to do is go > out and do it. =EF=BF=BDYou don't need one of us to put up money. =EF=BF= =BDUnless you're > broke of course. > > Once a cheat, always a cheat. > > Wayne Vinsonhttp://cardsharp.org/ > Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com > > ---=EF=BF=BD > * kill-files, watch-lists, favorites, and more..www.recgroups.com

It's all quiet on the Western Front. Also, the Eastern, Northern and Southern Fronts also. It's not even a challenge, more like a gift. But, they don't want to show I can win:). It would show they don't have a clue to what they're talking about.

On Feb 8, 8:32=EF=BF=BDam, herdpm <Her...@gmail.com > wrote: > On Feb 7, 9:03=EF=BF=BDpm, "RussGeorg...@aol.com" <RussGeorg...@aol.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > That's how stupid you really are Wino. I love confrontations. You > > haven't a clue to how much I love confrontations. I live for revenge > > and to insult those that attack me. There are 1000s of posts on Google > > that most of you haven't a clue about. > > > I played for a whole month educating and winning people money, backing > > the whole proposition and not making a dime. I sent out over 4000 > > Cheating Tapes and DVDS, paid postage and didn't charge a dime. Sent > > out hundreds ofwww.pokermafia.comT-shirts, didn't charge people a > > dime. > > > Backed at least 10 total strangers for an amount in excess of $50,000 > > in the 2005 WSOp events, didn't get a cash. Many I backed in numerous > > events. I even backed Razz0 in an event. > > > Anyone who signed up for my site, is now a lifetime member. I don't > > charge. I don't accept avertising. I have given away at least $100,000 > > to people from RGP. I have helped dozens who came to me that needed > > help. No, I'm not going to tell you who asked. > > > RGP was my vehicle to reach the professional players who all know me. > > Yes, the old guys:). > > > I'll even do the same with you. Put up all the money, play online and > > you post the results. Better yet, we tell RGP so they can watch. Plus, > > you get to keep all the money won and if there is a loss, I will take > > the whole loss. > > > Russ Georgiev > > >www.pokermafia.comwww.pokerunchecked.comwww.russgeorgiev.com > > > On Feb 7, 9:48 am, "Wayne Vinson" <a7a8...@webnntp.invalid> wrote: > > > > On Feb 7 2009 11:28 AM, XaQ Morphy wrote: > > > > > On Feb 6 2009 7:44 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote: > > > > > > Russ gets a cut of the winnings. No winnings no cuts. > > > > > So you put up the entire buyin, if you lose you get nothing but if = you win > > > > Russ takes a cut? WHAT A BARGAIN!!! > > > > > --- > > > > Morphy > > > > xaqmor...@donkeymanifesto.com > > > >http://www.donkeymanifesto.com > > > > I think it's even more hilarious that a supposedly skilled player lik= e > > > Russ who can supposedly crush 30/60 has to make his money via coachin= g > > > deals. If he were really that good he'd have no interest in such a de= al > > > because he's be rolled to play MUCH bigger himself. > > > > Wayne Vinsonhttp://cardsharp.org/ > > > Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com > > > > _____________________________________________________________________= _ > > > * kill-files, watch-lists, favorites, and more..www.recgroups.com-Hid= e quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Well XaqMorphy? Are you going to take up this challenge?- Hide quoted tex= t - > > - Show quoted text -

> It's all quiet on the Western Front. Also, the Eastern, Northern and > Southern Fronts also. It's not even a challenge, more like a gift. > But, they don't want to show I can win:). It would show they don't > have a clue to what they're talking about.

Russ - if you want to show people you can win, all you have to do is go out and do it. You don't need one of us to put up money. Unless you're broke of course.

> Russ - if you want to show people you can win, all you have to do is go > out and do it. You don't need one of us to put up money. Unless you're > broke of course. > > Once a cheat, always a cheat.

Holy shit, Russ is talking trash? I killfiled him after his 1982 spamming attack, but that's pretty damn funny. He made up the most ridiculous excuses I've ever seen to turn down 4 legitimate challenges and now he's talking smack.

> Russ - if you want to show people you can win, all you have to do is go > out and do it. You don't need one of us to put up money. Unless you're > broke of course. > > Once a cheat, always a cheat. > > Wayne Vinson > http://cardsharp.org/ > Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

I should also mention that if you wanted to prove your ability, there was no better chance than the Barry Greenstein match. I'm sure he's still game.

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Date: 08 Feb 2009 08:32:17
From: herdpm
Subject: Re: Russ = poker Pro

On Feb 7, 9:03=A0pm, "RussGeorg...@aol.com" <RussGeorg...@aol.com > wrote: > That's how stupid you really are Wino. I love confrontations. You > haven't a clue to how much I love confrontations. I live for revenge > and to insult those that attack me. There are 1000s of posts on Google > that most of you haven't a clue about. > > I played for a whole month educating and winning people money, backing > the whole proposition and not making a dime. I sent out over 4000 > Cheating Tapes and DVDS, paid postage and didn't charge a dime. Sent > out hundreds ofwww.pokermafia.comT-shirts, didn't charge people a > dime. > > Backed at least 10 total strangers for an amount in excess of $50,000 > in the 2005 WSOp events, didn't get a cash. Many I backed in numerous > events. I even backed Razz0 in an event. > > Anyone who signed up for my site, is now a lifetime member. I don't > charge. I don't accept avertising. I have given away at least $100,000 > to people from RGP. I have helped dozens who came to me that needed > help. No, I'm not going to tell you who asked. > > RGP was my vehicle to reach the professional players who all know me. > Yes, the old guys:). > > I'll even do the same with you. Put up all the money, play online and > you post the results. Better yet, we tell RGP so they can watch. Plus, > you get to keep all the money won and if there is a loss, I will take > the whole loss. > > Russ Georgiev > > www.pokermafia.comwww.pokerunchecked.comwww.russgeorgiev.com > > On Feb 7, 9:48 am, "Wayne Vinson" <a7a8...@webnntp.invalid> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 7 2009 11:28 AM, XaQ Morphy wrote: > > > > On Feb 6 2009 7:44 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote: > > > > > Russ gets a cut of the winnings. No winnings no cuts. > > > > So you put up the entire buyin, if you lose you get nothing but if yo= u win > > > Russ takes a cut? WHAT A BARGAIN!!! > > > > --- > > > Morphy > > > xaqmor...@donkeymanifesto.com > > >http://www.donkeymanifesto.com > > > I think it's even more hilarious that a supposedly skilled player like > > Russ who can supposedly crush 30/60 has to make his money via coaching > > deals. If he were really that good he'd have no interest in such a deal > > because he's be rolled to play MUCH bigger himself. > > > Wayne Vinsonhttp://cardsharp.org/ > > Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > * kill-files, watch-lists, favorites, and more..www.recgroups.com- Hide= quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -

That's how stupid you really are Wino. I love confrontations. You haven't a clue to how much I love confrontations. I live for revenge and to insult those that attack me. There are 1000s of posts on Google that most of you haven't a clue about.

I played for a whole month educating and winning people money, backing the whole proposition and not making a dime. I sent out over 4000 Cheating Tapes and DVDS, paid postage and didn't charge a dime. Sent out hundreds of www.pokermafia.com T-shirts, didn't charge people a dime.

Backed at least 10 total strangers for an amount in excess of $50,000 in the 2005 WSOp events, didn't get a cash. Many I backed in numerous events. I even backed Razz0 in an event.

Anyone who signed up for my site, is now a lifetime member. I don't charge. I don't accept avertising. I have given away at least $100,000 to people from RGP. I have helped dozens who came to me that needed help. No, I'm not going to tell you who asked.

RGP was my vehicle to reach the professional players who all know me. Yes, the old guys:).

I'll even do the same with you. Put up all the money, play online and you post the results. Better yet, we tell RGP so they can watch. Plus, you get to keep all the money won and if there is a loss, I will take the whole loss.

> On Feb 5, 10:46 pm, "DonkeyBanAA" <freddiearba...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > i studied with russ a few lessons ___ Dam he knows his poker and how to > > read player > > Thanks Russ for the lessons -- I know it will help me in the future > > > > o0o good luck burros > > > If you are talking about Stud you are right. Last time I played with > Russ I won thousands of dollars in a RNG game on PokerStars. Russ > called out the hands spot on. Seriously, It was 30/60 and we finished > the session + $6k I think? Could have been $8k. We kept breaking the > table, it was that bad. Stud is a game of skill though, flop games not > so much.

Calling hands in stud is not exactly difficult. Given the way 7-stud opens there are typically no more than 2-3 things that villain could have in the hole. For many tighter villains that drops to 2 or even 1 in a lot of cases.

> On Feb 6 2009 3:58 AM, Porsche_Dan wrote: > > > On Feb 5, 10:46 pm, "DonkeyBanAA" <freddiearba...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > i studied with russ a few lessons ___ Dam he knows his poker and how to > > > read player > > > Thanks Russ for the lessons -- I know it will help me in the future > > > > > > o0o good luck burros > > > > > If you are talking about Stud you are right. Last time I played with > > Russ I won thousands of dollars in a RNG game on PokerStars. Russ > > called out the hands spot on. Seriously, It was 30/60 and we finished > > the session + $6k I think? Could have been $8k. We kept breaking the > > table, it was that bad. Stud is a game of skill though, flop games not > > so much. > > Calling hands in stud is not exactly difficult. Given the way 7-stud > opens there are typically no more than 2-3 things that villain could have > in the hole. For many tighter villains that drops to 2 or even 1 in a lot > of cases. > > Wayne Vinson > http://cardsharp.org/ > Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

WELL. HERE U GO AGAIN ... NOT A FUCKING CLUE

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire

First, I'm not a liar. I'm the one telling you who the cheats are. The fact you don't want to believe me is your problem. If you think I don't know who the cheats were when I was on the frontline of poker in the high stakes is ridiculous.

On Feb 6, 8:20=EF=BF=BDam, "John_Brian_K" <a7ec...@webnntp.invalid > wrote: > > Russ and I spoke by phone, he taught me how he reads the board and bets > > while I played. He was not in the game, just watching. With Russ's help= it > > sure felt like cheating though. A lot of what he said goes against comm= on > > poker strategy. But as most successful cash players know, TVSM poker > > strategy is wrong. > > > I don't play Omaha, but I have watched Russ crush Hi/Lo games. > > > If you do play with Russ play in the mornings, he does quit well agains= t > > the Euro crowd. Russ also likes his evening cocktails! ;-) > > I personally have never questioned his poker knowledge. =EF=BF=BDI genera= lly do > not trust admitted cheats. =EF=BF=BDI would like to say I hate Russ becau= se he > cheated, but I find it difficult to hate anyone. =EF=BF=BDWith the knowle= dge he > does have of poker and his business like mind I would have liked to see > him do something other than cheat people. =EF=BF=BDEveryone deserves a se= cond > chance as well. =EF=BF=BDI am not sure Russ wants a second chance though.= =EF=BF=BDDo you > not have to be sorry for things you have done in the past to get a second > chance or forgiveness? > > The way you describe him Dan makes him sound like an average guy. =EF=BF= =BDHe is > not an average guy IMO. =EF=BF=BDAverage guys do not make a living lying = and > cheating other people. > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious, > nor will =EF=BF=BDI =EF=BF=BDconsider you =EF=BF=BDnecessarily wise =EF= =BF=BDbecause you are =EF=BF=BDgrave. > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > 47.5% of all statistics are made up on the spot. > JBK > > ______________________________________________________________________=EF= =BF=BD > looking for a better newsgroup-reader? -www.recgroups.com

> First, I'm not a liar. I'm the one telling you who the cheats are. The > fact you don't want to believe me is your problem. If you think I > don't know who the cheats were when I was on the frontline of poker in > the high stakes is ridiculous.

I personally do not care. That was not the reason for my post. The reason for my post was the fact that I want to hate you for what you have done to people in your life (some admitted on this group), but find it very difficult to hate anybody. Dan made you sound like a like able guy, but I had to think back to the things you have admitted to doing and seem proud of most of the time and realize you are not 'a regular guy' who happens to be good at poker.

========================================== You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious, nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave. ============================== 47.5% of all statistics are made up on the spot. JBK

Bullshit. I won't even go into the fact that you challenged anyone to play you then spent years backing down from the challenges. I will however nail you on one point...

One of the reasons you claimed to not be able to partake in an online challenge is that you live in washington state and that it's illegal to play online. Yet just the other day you said all of your income comes from online poker. So pick whichever side you want, but you lied at least once, thus making you a liar.

As a ? how would you be qualified to know? Besides, what's would you say is the biggest thing that has changed in stud poker variations in today's game compared to yesterdays?

On Feb 6, 8:26=EF=BF=BDam, "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5...@webnntp.invalid > wrote: > On Feb 6 2009 10:20 AM, John_Brian_K wrote: > > > I personally have never questioned his poker knowledge. =EF=BF=BDI gene= rally do > > not trust admitted cheats. =EF=BF=BDI would like to say I hate Russ bec= ause he > > cheated, but I find it difficult to hate anyone. =EF=BF=BDWith the know= ledge he > > does have of poker and his business like mind I would have liked to see > > him do something other than cheat people. =EF=BF=BDEveryone deserves a = second > > chance as well. =EF=BF=BDI am not sure Russ wants a second chance thoug= h. =EF=BF=BDDo you > > not have to be sorry for things you have done in the past to get a seco= nd > > chance or forgiveness? > > > The way you describe him Dan makes him sound like an average guy. =EF= =BF=BDHe is > > not an average guy IMO. =EF=BF=BDAverage guys do not make a living lyin= g and > > cheating other people. > > Youl say "cheated" as if it happened in the past and he's given up on it. > *IF* he's really making as much money as he says he does playing online, > then he's still cheating, and still lying to RGP on a daily basis about > who the hell even knows how many things. > > I've yet to see anything from Russ that is useful in today's poker. > > --- > Morphy > xaqmor...@donkeymanifesto.comhttp://www.donkeymanifesto.com > > "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" =EF=BF=BD--igotskillz > > "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely > obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra > > ------=EF=BF=BD > * kill-files, watch-lists, favorites, and more..www.recgroups.com

> On Feb 5, 10:46 pm, "DonkeyBanAA" <freddiearba...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > i studied with russ a few lessons ___ Dam he knows his poker and how to > > read player > > Thanks Russ for the lessons -- I know it will help me in the future > > > > o0o good luck burros > > > If you are talking about Stud you are right. Last time I played with > Russ I won thousands of dollars in a RNG game on PokerStars. Russ > called out the hands spot on. Seriously, It was 30/60 and we finished > the session + $6k I think? Could have been $8k. We kept breaking the > table, it was that bad. Stud is a game of skill though, flop games not > so much.

So you and Russ cheated the game ?

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> On Feb 6 2009 3:58 AM, Porsche_Dan wrote: > > > On Feb 5, 10:46 pm, "DonkeyBanAA" <freddiearba...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > i studied with russ a few lessons ___ Dam he knows his poker and how to > > > read player > > > Thanks Russ for the lessons -- I know it will help me in the future > > > > > > o0o good luck burros > > > > > If you are talking about Stud you are right. Last time I played with > > Russ I won thousands of dollars in a RNG game on PokerStars. Russ > > called out the hands spot on. Seriously, It was 30/60 and we finished > > the session + $6k I think? Could have been $8k. We kept breaking the > > table, it was that bad. Stud is a game of skill though, flop games not > > so much. > > So you and Russ cheated the game ?

Russ and I spoke by phone, he taught me how he reads the board and bets while I played. He was not in the game, just watching. With Russ's help it sure felt like cheating though. A lot of what he said goes against common poker strategy. But as most successful cash players know, TVSM poker strategy is wrong.

I don't play Omaha, but I have watched Russ crush Hi/Lo games.

If you do play with Russ play in the mornings, he does quit well against the Euro crowd. Russ also likes his evening cocktails! ;-)

> On Feb 6 2009 7:22 AM, FangBanger wrote: > > > On Feb 6 2009 3:58 AM, Porsche_Dan wrote: > > > > > On Feb 5, 10:46 pm, "DonkeyBanAA" <freddiearba...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > i studied with russ a few lessons ___ Dam he knows his poker and how to > > > > read player > > > > Thanks Russ for the lessons -- I know it will help me in the future > > > > > > > > o0o good luck burros > > > > > > > If you are talking about Stud you are right. Last time I played with > > > Russ I won thousands of dollars in a RNG game on PokerStars. Russ > > > called out the hands spot on. Seriously, It was 30/60 and we finished > > > the session + $6k I think? Could have been $8k. We kept breaking the > > > table, it was that bad. Stud is a game of skill though, flop games not > > > so much. > > > > So you and Russ cheated the game ? > > Russ and I spoke by phone, he taught me how he reads the board and bets > while I played. He was not in the game, just watching. With Russ's help it > sure felt like cheating though. A lot of what he said goes against common > poker strategy. But as most successful cash players know, TVSM poker > strategy is wrong.

FINALLY STARTING TO DAWN ON YOU .. I have been telling you clowns this for 3 years !! > > I don't play Omaha, but I have watched Russ crush Hi/Lo games.

Anyone with reasonable knowledge about H/L can do well in the Omahas online . > > If you do play with Russ play in the mornings, he does quit well against > the Euro crowd. Russ also likes his evening cocktails! ;-)

If you are paying for playing lessons with Russ .. YOU ARE GETTING FUCKED OR GETTING SET UP, and if they are gratis .. I would be even more concerened !!

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire

> On Feb 6 2009 7:44 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote: > > > Russ gets a cut of the winnings. No winnings no cuts. > > So you put up the entire buyin, if you lose you get nothing but if you win > Russ takes a cut? WHAT A BARGAIN!!! > > --- > Morphy > xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com > http://www.donkeymanifesto.com

Come on now Morph, why let a personal vendetta get in the way of rational thinking?

I play poker with Russ to both learn and enjoy. Same reason why I play with you Donkeys. It's not about the money, it's about the experience, it's entertainment. Don't kid yourself, Russ is an entertaining guy on the phone. You are an entertaining guy on FaceBook! But on RGP you are a DonkeyPunch.

I've made money playing poker with Russ and have no problem sharing the profits. I set the terms he doesn't. One time we did lose and he sent me half the buy-in. Didn't ask him to, wasn't part of the deal, he just did it.

And as DoggyFuck says Russ is setting me up for a big scam........ Could be, but that is part of the fun now isn't it?

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> And as DoggyFuck says Russ is setting me up for a big scam........ Could > be, but that is part of the fun now isn't it?

No he is not setting you up for a big scam. You and him and a few others are trying desperately to set up as many other people as you can for a scam.

Russ is a scammer it is in his blood, he boasts about it. I am sure their is nothing more he would like to do than scam a few people on here for 'peanuts'.

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> On Feb 7 2009 9:28 AM, XaQ Morphy wrote: > > > On Feb 6 2009 7:44 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote: > > > > > Russ gets a cut of the winnings. No winnings no cuts. > > > > So you put up the entire buyin, if you lose you get nothing but if you win > > Russ takes a cut? WHAT A BARGAIN!!! > > > > --- > > Morphy > > xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com > > http://www.donkeymanifesto.com > > > Come on now Morph, why let a personal vendetta get in the way of rational > thinking? > > I play poker with Russ to both learn and enjoy. Same reason why I play > with you Donkeys. It's not about the money, it's about the experience, > it's entertainment. Don't kid yourself, Russ is an entertaining guy on the > phone. You are an entertaining guy on FaceBook! But on RGP you are a > DonkeyPunch. > > I've made money playing poker with Russ and have no problem sharing the > profits. I set the terms he doesn't. One time we did lose and he sent me > half the buy-in. Didn't ask him to, wasn't part of the deal, he just did > it. > > And as DoggyFuck says Russ is setting me up for a big scam........ Could > be, but that is part of the fun now isn't it?

That is the best part of this type of scam .. just like the older woman with money who marries the younger guy .. she is the first one to fight when someone says that he is taking advantage of her !!

SO LETS REVIEW.. the self proclaimed biggest cheat in poker history has buddied up to the guy who has gone to such great lengths to show that he has an excess of money

have we ever seen this story line before ??

HOW COULD THIS EVER GO WRONG ?

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire

> On Feb 6 2009 7:44 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote: > > > Russ gets a cut of the winnings. No winnings no cuts. > > So you put up the entire buyin, if you lose you get nothing but if you win > Russ takes a cut? WHAT A BARGAIN!!!

I'm pretty sure there would be nothing Dan could say there that make you be unable to find a snide reponse.

" No offense to RGP, but there are not alot of intelligent people on here." -- JBK, 1/30/2009 10:16a

> On Feb 6 2009 7:44 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote: > > > Russ gets a cut of the winnings. No winnings no cuts. > > So you put up the entire buyin, if you lose you get nothing but if you win > Russ takes a cut? WHAT A BARGAIN!!! > > --- > Morphy > xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com > http://www.donkeymanifesto.com

I think it's even more hilarious that a supposedly skilled player like Russ who can supposedly crush 30/60 has to make his money via coaching deals. If he were really that good he'd have no interest in such a deal because he's be rolled to play MUCH bigger himself.

> > If you are paying for playing lessons with Russ .. YOU ARE GETTING FUCKED > > OR GETTING SET UP, and if they are gratis .. I would be even more > > concerened !! > > Russ gets a cut of the winnings. No winnings no cuts. > > As they say a fool and his money are soon parted. I still have my money so > what now dog fucker!

Every sucker in the world in your spot thinks they have the upper hand .

GL CHUMP

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> On Feb 6 2009 7:22 AM, FangBanger wrote: > > > On Feb 6 2009 3:58 AM, Porsche_Dan wrote: > > > > > On Feb 5, 10:46 pm, "DonkeyBanAA" <freddiearba...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > i studied with russ a few lessons ___ Dam he knows his poker and how to > > > > read player > > > > Thanks Russ for the lessons -- I know it will help me in the future > > > > > > > > o0o good luck burros > > > > > > > If you are talking about Stud you are right. Last time I played with > > > Russ I won thousands of dollars in a RNG game on PokerStars. Russ > > > called out the hands spot on. Seriously, It was 30/60 and we finished > > > the session + $6k I think? Could have been $8k. We kept breaking the > > > table, it was that bad. Stud is a game of skill though, flop games not > > > so much. > > > > So you and Russ cheated the game ? > > Russ and I spoke by phone, he taught me how he reads the board and bets > while I played. He was not in the game, just watching. With Russ's help it > sure felt like cheating though. A lot of what he said goes against common > poker strategy. But as most successful cash players know, TVSM poker > strategy is wrong. > > I don't play Omaha, but I have watched Russ crush Hi/Lo games. > > If you do play with Russ play in the mornings, he does quit well against > the Euro crowd. Russ also likes his evening cocktails! ;-)

How do you know that Russ doesnt have a program to see cards , and has been put out of business , and is using your account to pick up a few bucks ?

What if he is hustling you ?

What if he is setting you up for some big "stake" deal and will fuck you silly ?

What if Russ's hand reading ability is no better than any average player , and he simply "forced" it onto you , adding some smoke , and you ate it up ?

I have a friend who plays in the HORSE game on FTP every day , and I will sweat him , and guess his cards , as the action goes on .. it aint rocket science

YOU ARE BEING PLAYED FOR A TRICK

And for anyone who thinks these things are out of the question .. hasnt Russ already convinced us that he is a cheatin , hustling scumbag ?

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire

FangBanger wrote: > On Feb 6 2009 9:57 AM, Porsche_Dan wrote: > >> On Feb 6 2009 7:22 AM, FangBanger wrote: >> >>> On Feb 6 2009 3:58 AM, Porsche_Dan wrote: >>> >>>> On Feb 5, 10:46 pm, "DonkeyBanAA" <freddiearba...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> i studied with russ a few lessons ___ Dam he knows his poker and how to >>>>> read player >>>>> Thanks Russ for the lessons -- I know it will help me in the future >>>>> >>>>> o0o good luck burros >>>>> >>>> If you are talking about Stud you are right. Last time I played with >>>> Russ I won thousands of dollars in a RNG game on PokerStars. Russ >>>> called out the hands spot on. Seriously, It was 30/60 and we finished >>>> the session + $6k I think? Could have been $8k. We kept breaking the >>>> table, it was that bad. Stud is a game of skill though, flop games not >>>> so much. >>> So you and Russ cheated the game ? >> Russ and I spoke by phone, he taught me how he reads the board and bets >> while I played. He was not in the game, just watching. With Russ's help it >> sure felt like cheating though. A lot of what he said goes against common >> poker strategy. But as most successful cash players know, TVSM poker >> strategy is wrong. >> >> I don't play Omaha, but I have watched Russ crush Hi/Lo games. >> >> If you do play with Russ play in the mornings, he does quit well against >> the Euro crowd. Russ also likes his evening cocktails! ;-) > > How do you know that Russ doesnt have a program to see cards , and has > been put out of business , and is using your account to pick up a few > bucks ? > > What if he is hustling you ? > > What if he is setting you up for some big "stake" deal and will fuck you > silly ? > > What if Russ's hand reading ability is no better than any average player , > and he simply "forced" it onto you , adding some smoke , and you ate it up > ? > > I have a friend who plays in the HORSE game on FTP every day , and I will > sweat him , and guess his cards , as the action goes on .. it aint rocket > science > > YOU ARE BEING PLAYED FOR A TRICK > > And for anyone who thinks these things are out of the question .. hasnt > Russ already convinced us that he is a cheatin , hustling scumbag ? > > > Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. > Voltaire > > -------- > looking for a better newsgroup-reader? - www.recgroups.com > >

> Russ and I spoke by phone, he taught me how he reads the board and bets > while I played. He was not in the game, just watching. With Russ's help it > sure felt like cheating though. A lot of what he said goes against common > poker strategy. But as most successful cash players know, TVSM poker > strategy is wrong. > > I don't play Omaha, but I have watched Russ crush Hi/Lo games. > > If you do play with Russ play in the mornings, he does quit well against > the Euro crowd. Russ also likes his evening cocktails! ;-)

I personally have never questioned his poker knowledge. I generally do not trust admitted cheats. I would like to say I hate Russ because he cheated, but I find it difficult to hate anyone. With the knowledge he does have of poker and his business like mind I would have liked to see him do something other than cheat people. Everyone deserves a second chance as well. I am not sure Russ wants a second chance though. Do you not have to be sorry for things you have done in the past to get a second chance or forgiveness?

The way you describe him Dan makes him sound like an average guy. He is not an average guy IMO. Average guys do not make a living lying and cheating other people.

========================================== You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious, nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave. ============================== 47.5% of all statistics are made up on the spot. JBK

> I personally have never questioned his poker knowledge. I generally do > not trust admitted cheats. I would like to say I hate Russ because he > cheated, but I find it difficult to hate anyone. With the knowledge he > does have of poker and his business like mind I would have liked to see > him do something other than cheat people. Everyone deserves a second > chance as well. I am not sure Russ wants a second chance though. Do you > not have to be sorry for things you have done in the past to get a second > chance or forgiveness? > > The way you describe him Dan makes him sound like an average guy. He is > not an average guy IMO. Average guys do not make a living lying and > cheating other people.

Youl say "cheated" as if it happened in the past and he's given up on it. *IF* he's really making as much money as he says he does playing online, then he's still cheating, and still lying to RGP on a daily basis about who the hell even knows how many things.