Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

No other religion has ANYTHING like that in their particular holy texts.

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Depends on your definition of "terror attacks" because usually people ignore all of the other militant organisations operating worldwide. I've referenced this before:

Islamic terrorism is the most PROFOUND terrorism, but not the majority. One of the biggest known terrorist groups in the world is a bunch of pasty Catholic/Christian people in Ireland running an armed nationalist resistance movement.

They are not an organized religious group fighting to enforce the Catholic faith on others or killing just because someone is not catholic, that being the distinction.

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Well, yeah certainly. If you were to say "religiously based terror attacks" then unequivocally Islam is #1. But on a wide scale of people who use violence to strike fear into the hearts of the public then they have a ways to go. Not that they should go that way at all, but still.

I know, it probably feels like I am splitting hairs, but I do think it is important to distinguish the reason behind the violence in order to work towards a solution, if one can be found.

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I know the feeling, seeing as we're both splitting hairs. I'm more focused on the semantics of the word "terrorism" and you more so the root cause.

As a root cause for terrorist attacks, Islam is the leader in that statistic. The non-religious terrorist organisations have no goal that you can really link them together with. The IRA doesn't care about FALN (Venezuelan Liberation Army) or the current political state of Venezuela, nor the latter about Ireland.

All that matters to Islamic terrorists is spreading Islam by the sword. And bomb, and gun.

And that multiplies by the millions the number of potential followers that "could" "COULD" be radicalized, and I speak mainly of the young who are being brought up and practically brainwashed to hate the west. The others it's all about civil war of sorts.

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Wolves in sheep's clothing, and the problem is that anything from 0 sheep to all sheep could be a wolf.

Well that's a bad analogy, as that would imply that they are already radicalised.

Christian has violent aspects, it's undeniable. But for the most part the religion has matured past these violent aspects, starting with the 1600's or so. What I think is that Islam hasn't had enough time to outgrow it's violent aspects, which it will.

Tbh, I dislike leftists more than liberals. Libs just disagree with conservatives, and that's okay. Leftists shove it down our throats and burn us in hell aka "the justice system" if we disobey their decrees. Their ultimate weapon is deflection.

In order to cross the aisle in a debate, you actually have to be near the aisle to begin with. Someone once told me, "when people compromise, everyone loses, not everyone wins."

This is the exact selfish attitude that brings us directly into the congressional mess and inaction we've seen these last many years. You will never get everything you want in a democracy, because that's not how it works.

One day Mohammad heard one of his wives was leaving him....he raced home and found her sitting outside their tent with all her shit packed up...he said to her,
"I heard you're leaving me"
"Yes"...she said...."I heard your other wives saying you were a pedophile"
Mohammad sat beside her for a minute and finally replied,
"That's a mighty big word for a 9 year old"

Now, SpursFan, we've had this discussion before. I am not against Christianity but embrace its best tenets. I'm against those who use subjective interpretations of any religion to project their secular prejudices, as above with Westboro Baptist. Yes, they are fake Christians, but adherents of ISIS, al-Qaeda, and the most fanatical jihadists are fake Muslims. If labeling all Christians as bad for the misguided actions of a few is obviously wrong so is labeling all Muslims as murderous fanatics for the hideous methods of a small minority.

Two bits of advice: don't get immediately defensive if you feel someone is besmirching your beliefs. They may be like me, someone who is defending ideals originally discovered through said religion. I honestly believe, through my early church learnings and deep religious college courses, that if Christ were around today he would despair at what is being taught about Muslims in his name. Christians are not an army fighting other beliefs, but supposed to be those who love even the lost. Secondly, I would recommend giving renegade_sith's arguments a good questioning. Not to get overly dramatic, but if anybody here was speaking in the syrupy voice of Satan it would be him. When looking through these arguments just remember your future judgment before a merciful and loving God and think of what He might perceive of it.

I take your beliefs seriously. Just as I take mine seriously. I will engage with you because you seem serious and decent (unlike others on this thread who seem angry and bitter). I will never directly denigrate your religion as I grew up in it too. And it is the teachings that I received back then that makes me despair at the rubbish spewed by the likes of renegade_sith. Casting aspersions upon ALL Muslims for the atrocities of a few is not the way of Christ.

By the way, sorry to hear about Duncan's retirement. He was a pleasure to watch despite often beating on my Blazers. Does that help the memory a bit? :)

I often wonder about my country and where it's heading to. People mindlessly attacking Muslims just as Germans attacked the Jewish people in the 1930s. Adolf Hitler had his 'evidence' of their perfidy too. If you and people who thought like you came to power in this country we would end up with concentration camps, not just full of Muslims but others, like the 'ignorant' liberals like myself. All tyranny starts with self-righteousness. I say none of this with anger but with resignation. I'd like to think you are fighting for the cause you think you are but you're too full of hate. But I don't despair, your arguments are cramped and small, and are the evidence of a limited mind. You will die having no effect on this earth, and if there is a hell you will end up there.

What you don't get is that women in every religion are being abused hmmm lets se the only Arab countries that do this are the Saudis the people in Yemen and that's all but in the US women are being **ped and trapped for 18 years in a phsycos house for 18 years plus the US made the terrorists because the false attack on Iraq I think Bill Clinton or bush made that choice one more time the Quran doesn't say to **pe and trap women it is against it ok and again the Quran is not violent it says to believe so you won't go to hell and it says to defend yourselves and Mohammad never married a 9 year old how would you know it didn't say in the Quran so idk how you got that

Try the Old Testament, which has passages similar in tone to the Quran passages you quote, and which guidance conservatives often turn to before the teachings of Jesus. Yahweh told the exodus Hebrews to slaughter all the inhabitants of the towns they conquered, children and women included. I'm not questioning the horrors inflicted by extremists, and I am strongly against women having anything less than full equal rights, regardless of cultural norms. The issue here is not the RELIGION of Islam, anymore than it is the RELIGION of Judaeo-Christianity; it is the self-proclaimed adherents misinterpreting the tenets of the religion that is the problem. Conservatives fearful of their own loss of power embrace these religions then misinterpret their teaching to legitimize their own secular prejudices and perform atrocities in an attempt to reinforce their loss of power. The instigators are not Muslims but CONSERVATIVE Muslims seeking to empower their CONSERVATIVE value systems by the proverbial sword. This is merely a mirror of conservative Americans seeking to force their values on those of us who choose to think freely, by denigration and intimidation of their perceived enemies. The only reason far-right conservative Americans aren't committing similar atrocities is that the United States has a general prosperity and affluence that most citizens buy into, dissuading the majority from embracing radical causes. If the US were to go through a lengthy recession that diminished it's economic prowess I suspicion we would have many right-wing groups pursuing similar aims through similar means as the conservative Islamic fundamentalists.

But I am not writing this for you. I'm sure you'll always have an answer. It's easy to be an expert with a closed mind. I want to debate someone who is willing to THINK, not cherry-pick quotes out of context or merely provide links to 'facts' created by those with underlying motives. You'll never be that person. But the good thing is that I can tell, merely by reading your misbegotten 'logic' and false analogies (not to mention arrogance), that you will never have the power you want to change people's hearts on a large - or even minute - scale, and history will pass you by.

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Ok. I see this tired old argument everyday. It's 2016 only 1 religion is doing this today and claiming righteousness from it.

'Shady'! Where are you coming from? I'm confused because sithwhoisnotarenegade is mucking up the picture. 'Tired argument' is his?

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I just think the ideology between islam and Christianity is very different. I appreciate your righteousness on the matter and in a lot of ways you are right! I just think we have to open out eyes about this ideology disguised as a religion. No not all Moslems are bad, we know that. But we as a society need to continuously confront it. Islam is in definite need of reform. The fact that there are 50 million jihadists on this planet a is frightening thing to think about. Islam is a crude and barbaric ideology that has a reachfar greater then just isis and other terrorist organizations. There is a war on our police, by organization a like BLM which is a jihadist group founded by modlems, thst preach, death to ehites and cops. Next it will be death to chridtiand. Police which in the bible our beloved "peace keepers" need to be protected and loved. Yet we continue to be torn apart by a leftist divider in the white house, who will " stand by islam. " but thesr are discussions gor another day. Yes jesus did preach peace, but we also see in paul, thatJesus said, some will let hod, but Paul I choose for you to fight. I'm so many words....what's happening now is no different the islam in the past and their means of conquering nations. We can see all the proof. Look at the once great nation persia, now iran, Saudi arabia, egypt, full sharia. The ones in progress, india, indonesia, Malaysia. Then we have Europe and the USA. If we take time to look at the past, the answer is there. They will take until everything is gone. I'm rambling now and pry riddled with spelling errors, but if you take ANYthing from this it should be that we need to keep an eye on this matter and constantly confront islam and it's ideology.

What I keep an eye on is conservatism. Sharia, etc. are not a problem because they are Islamic but because they are conservative. Sorry. If you thought I was coming from another direction but basically renegade_sith is talking bollocks. Islamic State is not a problem because of any theological issues - of which there are few - but because it represents a (violently) conservative way of thinking and life.

Yeah, your spelling is dodgy but I'll write that up to passion. But as a human being I expect a thought-out argument. Hopefully you will give me what renegade_sith doesn't.

I'm totally sympathetic to your Iranian-American friend, and understand the atrocities going on. Atrocities perpetrated by dint of a conservative culture; misinterpreting writings from 1400 years ago written in a conservative tribal culture. I'm not arguing Muhammed was a good guy, no one can truly know for certain as most religious texts are laid down years if not decades after they are supposedly spoken or the acts performed, I'm arguing solely from the modern day. The problem isn't some dude who has been dead for over a millenium, but those who run around demanding others abide by their beliefs in the name of ANY religion. As an American liberal I support women's rights in all their forms, as well as the rights of all free people. And those not truly free. I actually can agree with your assessment in your paragraph on the ten commandments and Jesus hanging out with women, but the 'OT' Hebrew law does discuss proper ways of selling one's daughter into slavery and the aforementioned slaughter of noncombatants, so there are obvious issues of contrast with God's supreme commands. Again, these are ancient Hebrew oral traditions put to parchment centuries after their creation. The simple fact is that a misogynistic culture is conservative by nature, even in the modern world, as when people defending the maltreatment of women are defending the conservative values they fear losing.

So I am ignorant and arrogant and you have no desire to debate a fool like me, huh? And yet you appear to be hovering over whatever device you correspond with to set me, and the world, straight. From your form here this 'kid' can determine two things: I'm doubtlessly older, and at the risk of sounding egotistical, more educated and open-minded than you. And two sure things I know through decades long experience: beware the committed true believer for down their path lies falsity and manipulation; and the surest sign of an intelligent person is someone who knows they DON'T know everything.

You, sir, are no 'renegade', but a common small-minded man. And you besmirch all good geeks with your chosen nom de imgflip. The clock is running, how long will you be in answering? And let's see if this time you can answer without playground insults. I'm not offended, I'm beyond that, it's just a challenge.

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There is the problem with your side of the debate. You are doing exactly what islam preaches. Islam is a way to establish government. Why do you think all the elitist back it so much? Having an outlook like they are just like everyother religion in 2016 is a terrible and flawed mindset to have. I've read your comments and I've come to the conclusion that you will have to see to believe. Which I fear by then it will be to late. It's sad that some have gone so far left they are blinded by simple logic. I've had debated like this that just end up in a stalemate with one side taking the "moral high ground." The fact remains that islam practices the oppression of woman. These "happy muslim" woman are brought up and conditioned to believe that said abuse is condoned by Allah and do not see it as a problem. Sadley with Islam it's the ones who scream the loudest get their way and the rest follow suit. Much like the Nazis. I'm germany only 20 percent of the people were nazis, but the other 80 followed suit because they were brainwashed. If the nazis won those moderates would be dealing the benefits. Just like islam the quiet ones are in a win win. So just scrutinize islam and confront it, instead of just following orders by your political party. Which has betrayed you btw.

What's sad is that your ego is what's tearing this country apart. It doesn't bother me though. When I look at your attempts to ccritize then understand your overall messages as a leftist. You sit see bad for business. Your party betrayed you, but you don't want to admit defeat even though you are led by the two most despicable humans on the planet.

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This is the state of your party today. Hypocrisy and deceit. #feelthebern takes on a new meaning doesn't it?

wow,just wow.
i got it.you hate islam.
no need to rub that in ,my face.
i am a muslim and i'll never quit islam,so yeah.
deal with it.
now,im gonna reform my question.
was that ur real face?
u must awnser with yes or no
if you dont have something smart to say,dont reply to this comment.

Just like I orinally assumed you don't get the concept of the strawman argument fallacy. you just know that it exists but that's about it. No liberals in that discussion said that : "they defend the abuse of muslim women". It's a textbook strawman argument fallacy. that his to " Talk in the name of you opponents making them say things that they did not say." Almost all of your arguments are fallacies. Wether it's strawman argument, dishonour by assossiation, cherrypicknig or argumentun ad nauseam etc. Total lack of logic there, it's a good thing your are a conservative cuz even if you wanted to be a liberal we would not accept you

Your interpretation of cherrypicking could not be more way off the track that what it is . Same thing as the one with the strawman argument fallacy, you just ignore it and keep doing the same fallacies over and over again wich make it the argumentum ad nauseam fallacy. The only point I agree is I assumed you were a conservative and you really did not defend conservartive ideology, you just critisize" liberals" that are actually scarecrows that you built and dress up as liberals, claiming those "liberals" represents all liberals. Long story short you are trolling and im trolling backat you. believe me you have it coming.

Arguing with you is like playing chess vs a pigeon, you just knock the pieces off with your head, crap on the board and strout around like you are victorious. Your arguments are the same as nazis even with all the excuese you bring upagain you assossiate all mulslims or most muslims with the actions of some. "Most muslims want to be govern by sharia" again a strawman argument it's the same over and over again I mean with that little malfunctionning brain of yours it's not very surprising that you make those simpleton and stupid resonning. Renegade sith, more like renegage pawn of the dark side cuz it's hard to believe a bird brain like you could ver dream of becoming a stih.

you are right about he ad homnem fallacy wich you used agaist me countless time before but hey when it's used against you now you see it right.. shows you really understand fallacies only when it's convenient to you. your crappy website is not a proof. And again strawman argument fallacy has nothing to do with unproven statement. I've explained it to you countless times you don't get it im not gonna explain it again.

«Jews were not making terrorist attacks« Implying that muslims are when in fact individuals are commitnig terrorists attaks not " muslims" again the same dishonour by assossiation but hey I get it youdon't Any way i'm trought with you bird brain nazi. Carry one your hateful speech if you like it, no point aguing with birds. So lomg renegade pigeon.

Answering irrelevant Questions cannot be consider " defending point" . What you are talking about islam is not Knowledge on Islam but depiction of islam based on countless falllacies, like cherrypicking verse of the Qran or dishounor by assossiation by assossiating all Muslims with the action of a minority of muslims.

It's cherrypicking , and cherrypicking has nothing to do with "what follows the verse" ... Cherrypicking is fallacy that consist of picking only few verses contain in a text that contains tousands, and picking only those who suits your arguments, it really have nothing to do with a second meaning, I don't know where you get that. All your interpretation of fallacies seems to be made up, you don't understand what fallacies are or you pretend to understand them in order to keep using them in your fallacious arguments that are irrelevant.

As for your friend from Iran who got sold to a husband at 9 she was the victim of individuals using Islam has a tool to manipulate and exploited others. The individuals are responsible not the religion itself or all other followers.

I mean don't be surprised if a lot of people accuse you of using discrimination, because the way I see it the fallacies you use in your argumetns against Islam are the same and used in the same way of what the NSDAP used in their propaganda against judaism before and after they seized power in Germany.

The NSDAP where using just like you do the Dishonour by assossiation fallacy by cherrypicknig events where a jewish individuals would have commited a certain crime and them blaming all the jews for it. They would use the strawman argument by making "jews" saying what they did not say. They would depict the jews as a whole blaming all for the actions of a minority.

So don't be surprised to find opisition when you are using the same fallacious crappy irrelevant arguments the Nazis used, because a lot of people remember well what happend when this fallacious idelogy is pushed to far, and that's why a lot of people "fight" your arguments, because they don't want that ideology to grow. So if you keep using those arguments a lot of people will keep fighthing them.

Hey Habs, if they don't censor by downvoting your comments they 'report' you. The self-righteous, conservative or not, are pointless to argue with since if you make good point they are never listened to, and if you continue they turn to authoritarian ways and try to banish you. And because I'm writing this to you I'll likely end up with notifications full of arrogant and self-aggrandizing blather that I'll never other reading. Make yourself happier and stick with those who use logic.

yup tanx for the support, I'll just stick to making "carbear" "everything is funny" comments cuz now it seems I need to improve my comment reputation lol. I agree with you no no point arguing with them, they just keep repeating the same crap ad nauseam anyway. I'm glad I live in Canada man, we have conservatives but they seem to be less foulmouthed and a little bit more logic than the ones you guys have to deal with south of the border.

I'm not religious, I'm just saying that the Bible is different than the Quran. The Quran is ONE man's biography basically. The Bible's OT is a different, more savage time. Jesus changed that by preaching peace and forgiveness...Muhammed just kept preaching violence and killing.

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

U edited this this is the true one 9:1 A declaration of immunity from God and His apostle to the idolaters with whom you have made agreements:

9:2 For four months you shall go unmolested in the land. But know that you shall not escape God’s judgement, and that God will humble the unbelievers.

9:3 A proclamation to the people from God and His apostle on the day of the greater pilgrimage:

God and His apostle are under no obligation to the idolaters. If you repent, it shall be well with you; but if you give no heed, know that you shall not be immune from God’s judgement.

Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers,

9:4 except to those idolaters who have honoured their treaties with you in every detail and aided none against you. With these keep faith, until their treaties have run their term. God loves the righteous.

9:5 When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful.

9:6 If an idolater seeks asylum with you, give him protection so that he may hear the Word of God, and then convey him to safety. For the idolaters are ignorant men.

9:7 God and His apostle repose no trust in idolaters, save those with whom you have made treaties at the Sacred Mosque. So long as they keep faith with you, keep faith with them. God loves the righteous.

9:8 How can you trust them? If they prevail against you they will respect neither agreements nor ties of kindred. They flatter you with their tongues, but their hearts reject you. Most of them are evil doers.

The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.

About all the Kings married freaking 7 year olds bro your being a racist you should feel sorry to Islam the terrorist destroy Muslim cities they kill Muslims and no one cares you guys hate Islam for no reason you say these things and you are not Muslim so please stop I want every religion to be equal we should be joining forces to stop these people did you no that Christans are in Isis and Jews and Hindus they recruit anyone I am telling you everyone lets hang on together

"Just because your friend is from Iran doesn't mean he knows more about Islam either. Do you not see the gaping flaw in your logic? It shows very clearly that you won't listen and you have your own jihad against islam. I'm sure you think you're right but that just proves your ignorance."

Actually my friend is a WOMAN, if you had read and paid attention, she was sold to a husband at 9 years old, **ped and beaten until she escaped. THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN IN MODERN SOCIETY EXCEPT IN ISLAMIC NATIONS.

You say I won't listen, but you aren't listening to anything that I have to say now are you troll?

You're the troll. All you want is to start a long ass thread to get points. And you're a fool if you think your friends experience with islam negates the other person's experience. Do me a favor though. Next time you pull a violent quote from any religious insanity manual check to see if you can find a violent passage in your religion's insanity manual. Or misogynistic.

YOU Islam apologists are the ones who want to argue, all I did was make a meme. Until you apologists showed up, there was just a thread of funny comments. There weren't any long arguments about Islam until you Islam apolgists started arguments with me.

YOU are a fool for not listening to the experiences of my friend because it's a commonly shared experience unfortunately among women under Islam. Why do you INSIST on discrediting her? What's your obsession with defending Islam? You can't deny that more women are abused under Islam TODAY than all other religions.

"Do me a favor though. Next time you pull a violent quote from any religious insanity manual check to see if you can find a violent passage in your religion's insanity manual. Or misogynistic."

There is nothing that compares to Islam for one. And two, guess what pal? I don't have a religion. Nice try bud.

Omg how about the millions of women in the US being **ped under christianity also the Quran doesn't say anything about hurting women it's the Saudi King that has done this before you accuse something/someone get your facts right

I'm not arguing for points, I'm arguing so that people will know the truth about Islam. I respect peaceful religions that can coexist with one another. Most can. Islam has a hard time fitting in with modern society because of stuff like beheading women, beating women under sharia law.

Can we agree that Buddhists are pretty peaceful? Even THEY have had to start fighting against Muslims trying to destroy them. Here is their stance on Islam:

According to Professor John R. Newman, a historian of religions who specializes in Indian and Tibetan Buddhism, "We may summarize the Kalacakra tantra's perception of Islamic beliefs and practices as follows: from the Buddhist point of view Islam is demonic and perverse, a perfect anti-religion which is the antithesis of Buddhism". It refers to Islam as "mleccha-dharma", the barbarian religion, describing it as a religion of violence ("himsa-dharma") that advocates savage behavior ("raudra-karman"), and characterizes Allah as a barbarian god, who is a merciless deity of death ("mara-devata"

Islamic extremists aren't actually Islamic. They're using Islam as their religion, but they are not following what the Quran(Koran) actually says. And no, i'm not Muslims. Great point though, Why are they idiots

All im gonna say is that im a little angry about you using that quote, its completely out of context. The quote was referencing the Battle of Badr. The "unbelievers" were the Pagans of Makkah were going to kill Muslims in Madinah. He wasn't telling Muslims to kill anyone who wasn't Muslim, he was just saying he was going to help defend the Muslims during the battle, the Pagans of Makkah had 1000 soldiers, meanwhile the Muslims had a mere 300 soldiers. Please don't take things out of context.

There's a hundred verses talking about killing non-believers. And whose to say that the Muslims didn't deserve to be killed? Why are you assuming THEY were in the right? Here's another verse:

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

How would I know it those pro-Islam memes that you claim are yours really are? They're posted anonymously lol.

"And why don't you criticize the Bible or the Talmud which TO THIS DAY encourages marrying 3-year-olds?"

Prove it.

"If women were treated like SHIT under sharia law, then why didn't my mom, my aunts, my cousins complain just ONCE about it?"

So you're just going to dismiss ANY women being abused under sharia because your relatives weren't? How naive is that? What country are they from?
MY friend was abused under sharia, she was sold to a husband at 9 years old, **ped and beaten until she escaped Iran. So don't tell me sharia hasn't harmed anyone kid.

As for the comments thing, I actually didn't realise. I usually just post after really lengthy or big comments, but I never bothered to check who I was replying to. I'm really just referring to whoever it is who's engrossed themselves in some comment war. If you want, I'll try to make an effort to stop posting after you and check who I'm replying.

No, I didn't "make it up". Just because you live in Saudi Arabia doesn' mean that you know more about Islam than me. I've learned a great deal about Islam from my friend from Iran.

What YOU don't understand about Christianity is that there are differenr sects, each with their own version of the Bible. There is only ONE Quran, Muslims take pride in this. Both the Sunnis and the Shiites follow the same core idealogical beliefs SUCH AS following sharia. You can't even give me any examples to back up your claims. They BOTH follow Muhammed do they not?

Just because your friend is from Iran doesn't mean he knows more about Islam either. Do you not see the gaping flaw in your logic? It shows very clearly that you won't listen and you have your own jihad against islam. I'm sure you think you're right but that just proves your ignorance.

"The more you are replying with your butthurt comments the more you are proving what Islam says about the infidels is true."

Kid, I'm giving you evidence thar Muhammed was a pedophile and woman abuser and all you can do is call me an infidel? Lol, what does Islam say about infidels like me? That we should be killed for "slandering" the name of your pedophile prophet?

Check out a video taken in YOUR country which you claim is different from Iran:

"I'm giving you evidence thar Muhammed was a pedophile"
You thought Muslims don't know about this marriage? Of course we do. In fact nearly every Muslim knows that."

So, you not only acknowledge it, but think it's right? Anyone who is accepting of a 50 year old man raping a 9 year old girl is sick.

These verses you are quoting are relevant how? Here, have fun defending these:

He said: The same applies to the 'idaah for girls who do not menstruate because they are too young, if their husbands divorce them after consummating the marriage with them.
Tafsir Al-Tabari, 14/142

“Round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness” (Qur’an 56:17)

“And there shall wait on them [the Muslim men] young boys of their own, as fair as virgin pearls” (Qur’an 52.24)

“They shall be attended by boys graced with eternal youth, who will seem like scattered pearls to the beholders” (Qur’an 76.19)

Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58,

Look back at this thread and tell me you're not fighting. And I call Hella BS on your human rights crusade. If you think this is the platform to change hearts and minds with reasoned debate you're dumber than all your posts combined. And that's a HEAP of dumb. Not to mention that your words are so intentionally inflammatory you show yourself as not being a crusader for rights but a troll. Argue with me and give me points.

"Look back at this thread and tell me you're not fighting. And I call Hella BS on your human rights crusade. If you think this is the platform to change hearts and minds with reasoned debate you're dumber than all your posts combined."

Yes I am arguing with people who STARTED arguments with me, people I have been more than polite and reasonable with. If someone disagrees with me politely, I will show them the same respect. I don't care what you believe, I will keep raising awareness against Islam so that people like you can't perpetuate the cycle of violence toward women. Muslim women are being abused everyday under Islam and it needs to END NOW.

"Not to mention that your words are so intentionally inflammatory you show yourself as not being a crusader for rights but a troll."

I'm the one being inflammatory? You're the one insulting me kid. YOU'RE the one on a meme site NOT MAKING MEMES. Give me a break. You can call me a troll all you want, the members here wouldn't have voted this to the front page if I were.

"People should judge things based on what they EXPERIENCE, not based on false Jewish media propaganda http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/49639/Example_of_US_Media_Brainwashing_You_to_Hate_Musli/
This is the next-level propaganda, where just saying "false" won't convince the people you're talking to that what the media says is a lie, just like how you're still not convinced about what I'm saying."

That video is something that REALLY happened. You can't just dismiss it as "media brainwashing". It happened. Women are abused and killed everyday under Islam.

1) Just last week my states chapter of the Westboro Baptist Church torched a chapel that was flying the gay pride flag, and the spray painted "gays will burn" on the ruins. 4 people died.
2) Christian colonists in my state organized heathen natives into praying towns to convert them. Then they gave them blankets laced with smallpox. Then they shot them.
3) Crusaders murdered thousands of Muslims and Jews in the name of God during 1000-1200.
4) Down below, you said that conquestors sought to convert. If so, why did they massacre the survivors?

There is a big difference, the only ones that identify Westboro as Christians are Westboro members and those who want to use them as proof that all Christianity is bad. They have been condemned by every other Christian church in existence. Even at that I missed their beheading, burning people alive and stoning videos. Maybe you could link them up for me. Please show me ANY main stream media links to this so called fire.

Let's see:
1) You ARE aware their rights as a church were stripped and they are no longer a "religious" organization, but now just labeled as a hate group as they always should have been? GOOD! Then don't use them as an example.
2), 3), 4) Can we stick with, oh I don't know, the last 50 years? Islam murders more people in a week than the KKK (the military arm of the Democratic party) did in 100 years and the Crusades were a response to Muslim's killing in the name of Allah and Islam.

Islam means SUBJUGATION. It is a religion that can only be spread through conquest.

No one WANTS to live like they're commanded to in the Qur'an. Unless you're a man and you want 4 wives and you want everything you do to be dictated by some doofus in a mosque who issues Fatwa's on a whim.

You may want to educate yourself a little more. Try "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades" for starters.

Otherwise, you wouldn't have jumped from "guy with an opinion" to "really loud and angry and slightly insulting guy".
I prefer "No god but God: The Origins, Evolution and Future of Islam". Good book by a smart guy who has published several renowned books of religion. It's neutral and I know I can trust it, try reading instead of web surfing .com sites.
Doesn't Christianity subjugate, with the Bible telling women they came from Adam's rib and all that jazz?
Pope Urban called for the Crusades because he wanted to protect the ink and dye trade (he was using them to print Bibles for big $$$) and to get Muslims and Jews out of Jerusalem, which was a safe, happy cosmopolitan city for decades before hand.

I'm very well read, have a Master's degree, a Business Administration major and a history minor. Thanks anyway. ;)

Actually, NO! Christianity doesn't subjugate. Christianity elevates women. After the resurrection, Christ chose to reveal himself to ... wait for it ... women! He dined with women. Everything he did went against the culture of the Middle East (that subjugates women ... especially Islam).

Again, education will set you free.

Big $$$ printing Bibles HAHAHAHA!!!!! In the middle ages (Pope Urban II was pope from 1088 to 1099) when Bibles were printed in Latin so only the priests could read them. You're cracking me up. HAHAHA! You believed yet another lie on the internet ... and it shows you don't know your history or you're believing some rube.

Then why did Christians speak at the Seneca Falls Convention against women's right to vote, on the basis that women were created from Adam? How come when women spoke out in favor of the Temperance Movement, they were shouted down by their own allies for the same reason?
I'll concede my info about Urban was flawed, I have no clue why I decided to trust Wikipedia :{

Please look at where these churches are today and not 100,150 and a thousand+ years ago. The history is interesting and all but it's not what the church is today. There have been plenty to do horrible things in the name of Christianity in the past, but the past is where it is and belongs. Christians are not perfect, and part of the belief system is to admit and be aware of that fact. Some will never get it right because they are unaware of where the fall within the "deadly sins". Sloth or laziness, not taking the time or expending the energy to learn about the religion they follow. The prideful, these do the most damage, they think they know it all and are unafraid to misuse what they do know. These 2 together give us great moments in history like the inquisitions :/

That may be, but my idea of horror is being burned alive, beheaded with a knife, shot in a bar etc... That being said refer to the second half of the comment. As for "basic rights, those have not been infringed upon. Usurping the act of marriage, which I'm sure you are referring to, we'll have to agree to disagree on whether that is a basic right, and not punishment. Buying a cake, we will definitely disagree there. There are examples in other religions where they don't provide a service or goods because of their religion and not dragged through the mud for it. I know this is a subject that you feel strongly about, I don't feel; as strongly as some others, but I do fail to see why some compromise could not be discussed, much less reached.

I see your point about the marriage thing, but I was referring more to things like employment and housing. Some Christians want to be legally allowed to deny someone employment just because that person is gay. A wedding cake is one thing, but I don't think someone should be allowed to deny a person a job (and hence a means of financial stability) based solely on sexual orientation. If someone tried to deny a job to a Christian just because they're a Christian, I would oppose that no less vigorously.

These are isolated instances though, you will NEVER ever legislate that away. We have been trying to legislate away racism for the last 60 years, overall I think it's working but obviously there are still racists. Some individuals will always find away to be a jackoff. That's just the truth of it. Sometimes the fight for rights is an individual fight against another individual, everything is not a federal case.

My best friend is a Muslim who has been harassed for his faith. I don't necessarily stand by the concept as much as I stand by him. The reason I'm here is because people gang up on the concept without seeing the individuals who are being effected by the overall view. My goal was to try and make people see that their accusations (while not unfounded) are not exclusive to the religion they hate so much.

Stand by your friend, stand by his beliefs if his intent is peaceful, but you cannot ignore the bad intent of others based on him, just as you cannot ignore the good intent of someone based on the bad intent of others. You vetted your friend over time and came to trust him and what is inside him. That's not an issue. It's sad but the only way out for the Muslims who are peaceful and not radicalized is for them to speak out loudly against those who do things in the name of their religion that they do not believe in, just as I will condemn westboro baptist EVERY DAY of the week.

Pope Urban called the crusades so that Europe could protect it's economic interests in the region (dyes and inks made in Tyre in Lebanon were being used for Bible printing, and could be resold at 250% interest). He also didn't want Muslims and Jews plaguing his Holy City, which was a cosmopolitan autonomous state aligned with Greece.

Umm u do know of the Incas,Aztics,Muscas,Jews,Natives that the Christans killed becuz they non chirstans Plz answer that and don't go back to oh Islam is violent

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Currently Islam is the religion associated with radicalism / terrorism. We are currently in the 21st century, and radicalized Christians are not creating terror around the globe. The original meme is about current events. I'm a Christian and when people hate on me or my faith I remember what Jesus said to his disciples. "When they hate you, remember they hated me first."

Be glad to answer. Incas were not killed in the name of Christianity but in the name of conquest and the search for gold. Aztecs were not killed in the name of Christianity but in the name of conquest and the search for gold. Jews were not killed in the name of Christianity but in the name of Nazism. Natives were not killed in the name of Christianity but mostly by the spread of disease which wasn't even understood at the time. Christianity sought to convert ... not kill.

You have been misled by your history teachers. I'm sorry your grossly uninformed history teachers taught you those lies.

On the other hand, Islam REGULARLY kills in the name of Islam.

The spread of Islam is the stated goal of terrorists. They believe that goal is accomplished by fear, subjugation, and if those don't work, death.

You can't get around that fact. Islam is a cancer on society. It seeks the annihilation of any person or group that opposes it. It approves of killing, beheading, mutilating, r-a-ping, and beating of women.

And the "moderates" in that religion stand by and do nothing about the extremists.

Lol, that's all you Islam apologists can do, attack christianity because there's nothing to defend about Islam...but Jesus preached peace so I would say yes...Meanwhile Muhammed was a con-artist who claimed he could talk to the "god" allah to justify his sadistic behavior and to get followers and bribed them. He was a sexist, misogynistic, liar. He was a rapist and even a pedophile. Now to your comment, he preached violence:

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Since you want to bring Christianity into this, how about I bring in the Buddhist perspective on Islam:

Here's what Buddhists think of Islam: According to Professor John R. Newman, a historian of religions who specializes in Indian and Tibetan Buddhism, "We may summarize the Kalacakra tantra's perception of Islamic beliefs and practices as follows: from the Buddhist point of view Islam is demonic and perverse, a perfect anti-religion which is the antithesis of Buddhism". It refers to Islam as "mleccha-dharma", the barbarian religion, describing it as a religion of violence ("himsa-dharma") that advocates savage behavior ("raudra-karman"), and characterizes Allah as a barbarian god, who is a merciless deity of death ("mara-devata"), a god of darkness comparable to Rahu, the demon who devours the sun and the moon.

https://www.openbible.info/topics/non_believers . Lol and Christianity ISN'T.
All religions are violent (Islam included, with exception of Buddhism). What bugs me is people single out one part of the problem while ignoring the part they believe in. For example, you forgot to mention how JESUS was a con who pretended to talk to God.

I didn't listen to your talk about Buddhism and Islam because Buddhists couldn't care less about the world. Their ulterior goal is to rise above attachment and leave the world behind. Muhammed could've **ped his wife and the Buddha would've blinked and said "yeah, well, I'm above attachment to people and items". They're not trustworthy for opinions on the modern world.
Jesus bribed his supporters. He said that if the believed hard enough in God and did his will then they would be poofed up to heaven. And didn't he marry a prostitute?

the only reason that you Christians consider Islam as a religion of violence is that there has been alot of terrorist attacks and you people need someone to take the blame.of course,the media took charge of that role by accusing Muslims.

Wait!? why is the a terrorist chaos first of all? well,it all starts when america has elected another horrible president (that i forgot the name of) that horrible president said that iraq had nukes and that they must invade. the ONU said that they would send inspectors to investigate before attacking blindly since,of course,there was no proof of nukes yet.the stupid president decided to invade iraq(destroying all economie,homes and innocent lives in process ).

during that time,a dictator ruled Iraq.The american soldiers hunted him down and decapitated him.That dictator was the wall beetween Iraq and Chaos.AND YOU KNOW WHAT!?THERE WAS NO NUKES!

the president "apoligied" and then said that iraq was better off without the dictator(so much for an responsible president)!

chaos filled Iraq with terrorists and syrien refugees filled with blood and pain come crawling to America .and you Christians behind your wall with comfy lives refusing almost all refuges because "there might be terrorists"

and i don't care what Buddhists think about Islam

Muhamad is the 7th and last prophet like seriously you christians see us as such a barbaric and violent religion but please,did you see your religion?

Islam isnt a religion of peace, but isnt a religion of violence,deal with it

For future reference, that "horrible president" was George Bush and the Iraq war (which I agree was an unnecessary war) happened two years after the worst terrorist attack the world had ever seen, 9/11 (which was planned and executed by Muslims) so that throws that argument out the window. And yes, Islam is a religion of violence, but don't take my word for it. Read the Koran sometime and find out for yourself.

I'm betting you're under 25, or are just repeating what others have told you...

After Desert Storm, The United Nations sent inspectors into Iraq annually to ensure that Saddam Hussein was abiding by the peace terms that he and the UN had agreed to. During George Bush Sr.'s presidency, Saddam didn't dare go against those terms, because he knew Sr. was Terminator ("I'll be back.").

When Bill Clinton got elected, Saddam realized he was dealing with a panty-waist (even declaring on television that Clinton was weak) and refused the UN inspectors entrance. This went on all throughout Clinton's administration.

This behavior was what had the intelligence community scrutinizing Iraq and looking for any little piece of evidence that Saddam was violating the peace agreements. That is why there was faulty intelligence.

There was never a specification, such as "nukes", as you claim. It was always "weapons of mass destruction", which is a VERY broad term and can be anything from chemical weapons (which Saddam HAD used previously against the Kurds in Iraq) to biological weapons to, yes, nukes.

It was not American, or even UN troops, that beheaded Saddam Hussein. He was tried in an Iraqi court by Iraqi citizens according to Iraqi law. He was found guilty and sentenced to death, the sentence carried out by the Iraqi government that Iraqi citizens had elected democratically.

Christianity hasn't been a "violent religion" in a REALLY LONG TIME. The Crusades ended in 1291, The Inquisition's last execution was in 1826. These were carried out by the Catholic Church, by the way, NOT the Protestants. There are Extremist groups that claim to be Christians, but if Muslim Extremists aren't Muslims, then those groups aren't Christian. You can't have a double standard on that.

What I'd like to know is, how can a guy come along 500 years after the fact and declare that the written, eye-witness accounts of Jesus's teachings and biography are all wrong?

Wow. You could make a novel with these comments. I believe religion and life can be separate things. I very much believe in a Jesus and God, but would never bring that opinion up unless mentioned by someone else. The Islam religion isn't the enemy, the ISIS assholes are.

Oh believe me, I've seen the videos, and I damn well wish I hadn't And the last thing I want to do is come off as ignorant. I just believe the point of life is to enjoy it while it lasts and stop worrying about Gods and beings of power while I'm still alive. I'm sure plenty of others feel the same. But when terrorists such as ISIS want to mess that ideal up by killing everyone in sight that doesn't think like them, they are accomplishing nothing at all. And it very well isn't just ISIS. Plenty of fools think they can prove something by terror or by force. They are no different. And they will prove nothing more. I'm better off sticking to my beliefs without worrying about religion, or anything beyond what I or anyone around me is at heart. A normal human being. I do apologize for the ignorant front, and hope you have a good day.

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Things always change. Sometimes for the better, sometimes not. The chance that things will change for the better is called hope. Keep a healthy dose of it.

okay,this is my new account from y1c2n3(you know,the guy whith 80k points and that hates reposts)and it just seems that the stupidness in your arguments are confusing me,so now,im gonna resay all that you declared and lets see whos the evil

-islam is a religion of violence

-islam cuts off womens head for diner

-mohammed is not a prophet

-islam is the defenition of evil

-muslims must kill atheists

-all terrorists are muslims

-you are right

-anyone that contradicts you on any of the folllowing list is a democrat

1) JESUS IS NOT GOD NOR ANYONESHOULD WORSHIP HIM BECUZ HE IS A HUMAN AND A PROFIT NOTHING ELSE.
2) Christs 'holy' teachings r tampered with a ROMAN king EDITED THEM
3) and aren't some written be the apostles? They could of written lies and ur trusting a HUMAN not to tell lies