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Re: Bess and Hartline

Originally Posted by Mudder1310

I think it depends on what other talent we acquire. For example, if we sign Jennings and draft Hunter, then Hartline is probably #3 at best, if Matthews doesn't make progress. I we sign Wallace and draft Allen/Woods/Wheaton then Hartline is still probably fighting Matthews for #3. If we go on the cheap and just add through the draft then he has more value as a mentor. Frankly I think WR is one spot we could immediately FIX this offseason, which would put our offense in "almost done" mode.

Something other people have noticed lately that is also starting to trouble me is that Hartline and Bess just can't seem to keep their damn feet for whatever reason. It's just bizarre. Bess seemingly can't even catch the ball without going to the turf or moving backward, and Hartline really just seems completely incapable of finishing off a great play and scoring a touchdown.

I like both players, but I think one or both of them should be replaced with someone who can produce touchdowns.

You do understand both these guys are being doubled all game every game because the opposition knows they are the only options Tanney has.they are good and would be better with a #1 on the field with them

Being doubled? Most teams are leaving one safety deep and putting the other in the box. Teams have NO respect for these guys. I have only seen either of them doubled a hadnful of times all year and those were mostly because it was zone coverage and just happened to be two defenders in the zone. CK said it last week in a thread and I agree 100%. I would either resign Hartline and trade Bess or keep Bess and let Hartline walk.

I think it depends on what other talent we acquire. For example, if we sign Jennings and draft Hunter, then Hartline is probably #3 at best, if Matthews doesn't make progress. I we sign Wallace and draft Allen/Woods/Wheaton then Hartline is still probably fighting Matthews for #3. If we go on the cheap and just add through the draft then he has more value as a mentor. Frankly I think WR is one spot we could immediately FIX this offseason, which would put our offense in "almost done" mode.

If TD's determine mediocre then don't even get me started on the guy actually tossing the pigskin. Hartline isn't out there throwing to himself. He's also not the one who goes brain dead calling plays in the redzone.

If we add a solid FA wide receiver, then draft an appropriate matching talent at WR, we'd have WR covered. What is left for the offense? Tweaking the O line is all. There are 3 capable RB (4 if you include FB), 2 TE, 2 QB, we'd have 4 WR (5 if Matthews improves over the off season). Yep, almost done mode. The team could then focus on DBs and another pass rusher.

If TD's determine mediocre then don't even get me started on the guy actually tossing the pigskin. Hartline isn't out there throwing to himself. He's also not the one who goes brain dead calling plays in the redzone.

I agree it's not just 1 persons fault
but Hartline has been allergic to the end zone for years