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Friday, May 01, 2009

In the new theatrical trailer thread, an anonymous post reveals some potentially spoiler information about the Transformers 2 story based on information they got at ShoWest. Normally I don't post these but in this case the information is consistent and logical enough with the information we have that it makes me wonder if it is not legit. At the very least it will probably lead to a lively (and hopefully insult free) discussion in the comments. I have edited the post a bit (mostly using bullet points) to make it easier to read. My comments are in brackets [].

I work in the effects industry but I am not affiliated with this film. We do have an online community (member only) where we discuss various projects around the various studios. I have some knowledge about some of the robots in the shots from the trailer.

- The robot with the "loose" treads is called Scrapper. Hence the reason he is "fist" fighting with Bumblebee. - The yellow robot is Rampage. - The helicopter is Blackout. You could see it at the ShoWest if you were there but more now with a HD feed of this trailer you can see that Blackout has rust on him just like Megatron does. Blackout is mostly intact.- The robots crashing into the aircraft carrier are the Constructicons. Many people believed it was members of Starscream's air force but as you can see from the video there are no robots present. We saw an additional scene where Long Haul and Mixmaster are destroying the ship from within and end up ripping the hull of the carrier in half. - What I was told is Soundwave has been scanning vehicles and when the Decepticons come to earth they fly by him in space and receive their alt mode on the way down. [Strategically and story wise, this is a genius idea] - This is why Long Haul, Scrapper, and Mixmaster are as their alt modes over Megatron. Brawl and Bonecrusher do not return. They use Brawls parts to reform Megatron underwater (tank tracks and fitted with a particle cannon that Soundwave provides. - Soundwave is only seen in the trailer as one of the 4 robots down in the ocean. By the way if you think Long Haul is huge Soundwave is about 6 feet taller. The other plot point is the cold and pressure does not affect their bodies like the humans thought they would. Two Decepticons give up their sparks to revive Megatron and Blackout who we find out is 3rd in command behind Starscream. - Michael Bay made Soundwave's role as Megatron's most trusted friend (aka bodyguard and secretly unknown to Starscream as the real number 2) hence the recovery effect by the Decepticons. - Mixmaster and Megatron can semi-fly in the film but not much. Megatron has back rockets and Mixmaster has the spinning gears turbines under his arm shields (cement mixer barrel) that he uses a few times. Mixmaster has a lot of screen time. [This would explain how Megs "swimming" up so fast and how Mixxy gets on the bridge]- We saw a short 5 second shot where Long Haul stomps on Jazz's corpse underwater. [Sorry but I have not and still don't think Jazz returns and I could see this being Bay's definitive statement on the matter]- There are 5 other jets that fly with Starscream but have not been named at the time of the show. I do not know the type of aircraft. - Barricade is the one crashing into the library but isn't seen.

We saw more of that shot at the ShoWest show in private. Finally the major spoilers is as follows so look away if you don't want to know.

Remember when Michael Bay said Ravage does something no other transformer does? Well Alice is Ravage. Well they kinda gave it away when they said she had a tail and a tongue. Ravage is really small like a real jungle cat. He is sent to kill Sam but realizes Sam has information about The Fallen so he tries to get it from him. Once she turns on Sam and comes after him then she shows who she really is and Barricade shows up to help. Enough said. Now I said enough but hey there was 300 plus people at the ShoWest after party. I am out. Enjoy Revenge of the Fallen because a lot of great lads at ILM and DD did the work. [This is an elaboration on a plot point that video and story leaks indicated and Orci indirectly verified]

Update: To add to the above, a post from a possible DreamWorks employee confirms some of the above and denies other. It has a tinge of the realistic to it and is convincing enough to make it worth posting. As always though, all of this remains unproven but very interesting. Some edits made for clarity, my comments in brackets.

This is a shock to us here at Dreamworks. We are NOT asking you to remove this info [maybe a few months ago we would have] but we will clear some up for you. I will say that most of the info is correct but some is not. - The robot that is fighting Bumblebee is NOT "Scrapper" because if you look closely he is seen by the wall [yellow bot] when Shia & Megan jump from the blast of Starscream. We aren't revealing if the red bulldozer has a name just yet. Around 10 bots will be nameless. [Could this be Overload, the 7th Constructicon recent articles mentioned?]

- 2 Decepticons do NOT give up their spark for the return of Megatron. It is just one. If you look through TF mythology this won't come as a surprise. This character willingly sacrifices himself. [I believe this is a reference to Beast Wars series which created the Spark concept and made them transferable. Who does the sacrificing? If Blackout does comes back, does a Decepticon also die for him?]

- A lot of people speculate that the tank tracks on Megatron are from Brawl--they are NOT. His tank tracks are Cybertronian metal and that is the reason most of his body has rust but the tracks do not. He is built from deceased Decepticons but not from the Laurentian Abyss. There is a double-meaning to the name Long Haul (think back to his F.A.B. toy bio)

- Isabel's character is NOT a human form for Ravage. I will not say who but think back to the videos I am sure you have seen with the crew & the puppet-like minion. Ravage actually has nothing to do with the college aspect. Soundwave enlists someone else for that job. All I can say is this...Ravage is far too big [unlike the info you have] to be Isabel.[This does not discount that Alice is not a pretender, just not a skin for Ravage but another un-named Transformer such as the Frenzy-like creature. Mass wise, Ravage does seem way too big.]

- There isn't a character in the film named "Gridor" because it indeed is Blackout. We had that toy made because we weren't going to show him until this final trailer and we felt if the toy was leaked with that name [we were right] it would ruin the surprise. Mike insisted on the scene with him in it for the Vegas footage. Fans will indeed see a Blackout toy after the release of the film.[Looks like Blackout, attacks like Blackout, if sounds like Blackout, must be Blackout, but why the white coloring?]

- Starscream does have re-enforcements however there are only 3 that accompany him. They also use the same scanning technique. If you remember, we had an original artwork with Soundwave in his satellite mode where meteor bots are flying by. Ehren came up with the idea like Teletran-1 for the Autobots. This is but one of the many things Soundwave adds to this film. Mike loved this idea because it saves time on having each individual bot scan & transform.[This is a genius idea because now very little screen time has to be wasted on getting Decepticons in an alt mode, they just literally do it on the fly and go right into the main story]

- That was a secret of ours however, one of our biggest secrets is now revealed regarding Barricade. As Mike would say...the cat's out on that one. The crew knew the cop car would draw attention on set hence the reason there wasn't a confirmed set-picture---the car is CGI for roughly 3 seconds before a transformation to robot form occurs. [We already knew Barricade was back, just not how he would be used]

- The rest of the info is indeed accurate along with the info on Jazz. We knew a lot of people wanted him to show up but if everyone returned it defeats the purpose of having tragedy in the franchise---same with Brawl & Bonecrusher.

I'm sorry if any info has been spoiled for you but the great thing about our dedication to this film was for each and everyone of the fans out there. We listened to all the good & bad comments over the past couple of years. Enjoy the film!!

Update 2: The plot gets a little more interesting as the orginial poster comments on the the above which was a comment on his first post and adds a few more potential story details. Honestly these two posters are not really opposing viewpoints, at most the differences come down in identifying what Constructicon is which and who Alice is the Pretender of.

Hey all of you. I am the poster from last night that provided the information that I am surprised has grown so much. I just wanted to respond to the guy that claims he is from DreamWorks. I have a feeling this guy is a fake. Industrial Light & Magic and Digital Domain are doing the visual effects for this film. DreamWorks and Paramount are making it. This guy is talking like he is sitting in on the visual effects sessions which only the writers, producers and director would do. Plus he is stating that quote:"That's right, some big secrets were revealed that we didn't want published, so what I am going to do is confirm them for you. Then add a bit more that you didn't ask to hear because we want to keep it tight lipped around here. --DWE"

Now why would someone who works for DreamWorks start confirming secrets and add a bit more if they want to keep it tight lipped? Also without Michael Bay's permission and all cast members have to sign a contact not to release information.. I do not work for DreamWorks as I stated last night nor did I work on Revenge. I am friends with people at ILM and DD and our company was one of many that attended ShoWest. I am not under contract to keep my mouth shut because like I said I have nothing to so with the production. They sign as DWE meaning DreamWorks Entertainment. There is no division under that name. It is only DreamWorks Pictures and DreamWorks Animation SKG. I suspect this is someone trying to toy with the information I have provided. I don't really care either way. [All valid points, personally I thought DWE meant DreamWorks employee]

I am myself a huge fan of Transformers and just thought I would volunteer the information I was made privy to at ShoWest. I would love to provide information as to who I am but just in case it may get me or someone at ILM or DD in trouble I shall remain in the shadows. Like I said there were 300 plus people at the ShoWest after party so I felt it was safe to tell you guys what I know.[Also like more information, so volunteering is good but people are going to muddy the waters which is easy to do until the movie comes out.]

I am just posting this last time so if you see anymore posts claiming it is me then don't believe it. If you need straight facts or get a 100% confirmation then take the word of Roberto Orci or Alex Kurtzman over some guy claiming to be from DreamWorks. [Couldn't agree more, if doesn't come from official channels, it remains under the speculation category.]

In closing I will say I sent a email this morning to someone in the know to clarify about the changes on Scrapper and Rampage and I was told is the yellow bot chasing Sam is Rampage but he was changed from the toy seen as the yellow Rampage to the a wheeled construction machine and his head was moved to that robot model. Look at the head of Rampage on his toy box on this site and then look at the scene with Sam jumping off the roof and you will see Rampage has the same head as the toy but is another mode. Scrapper was given his body, color changed, and a different head for the film. Same thing was done with Demolishor from the movie to the toy itself (different colors).[Hasbro production means toy designs had to be locked about a year ago to get the engineering and manufacturing done in time for the movie. ILM and Bay are not under any such restraints so they can make adjustments right up to the very end so this is very plausible.]

Another tidbit and a spoiler is as follows..So it was mentioned by the DWE guy about the shots of the Frenzy like creature on Sam's dads Saturn car being Alice. Well after Sam gets chased by Barricade and Ravage and Bumblebee shows up to fight them off right as Sam's dad arrives and they get attacked by this creature who is with Barricade. They escape and drive home which isn't far from the college but the creature is hanging on the car. That is when more of these creatures attack their house and hurt his dad and that is the scene where Bumblebee crashes through the fence to save them. From here they go to see Simmons and find Prime aka the graveyard scene. The scene where Bumblebee is dancing in the garage and the house damaged outside is because Bumblebee accidently falls into the side of the house and that is why Sam is kind of cold to him in the garage about how he isn't coming to college with him after his dad lets him have it.

Update 3: DWE replies to the above. I edited it to specific story stuff but you can find the full post in the comments.

...however I must add another clarification:Trust me when I say this......all of the toys that associate with the major classes [SCT, FAB, DLX, VOY & LDR] will be named correctly. The name "Grindor" is only for the F.A.B. toy and that's it. There will NOT be any mix-ups...I can give you my word. Ehren has been VERY adamant about this fact as well---he will be the first to say that he's the ultimate "fanboy"

To be honest we haven't read a post from one person yet that has the ending figured out [not to say that someone doesn't know it...we just haven't read it] but the fans on this blog as well as the others are VERY smart at picking up details.

Megatron returns..I never said who he gains the spark from.Alice is a pretender..all you know is that it's not Ravage.The seekers were obvious..I didn't say who the 3 were.

I hate to do this again but as you know Sam & Mikaela have a long-distance relationship and the info you were given in the 2nd update is also incorrect to an extent. The college Sam attends is an east coast university so the school and his house would NOT be in a close proximity to each other [that should give it away right there]

If you remember [I'm sure you do--who am I kidding] the coloring book revealed a "kitchen crew" of drones. They do NOT appear while Sam is enrolled in college. Those two points in time do not intersect during the film.

[The Spark] DOES NOT come from Soundwave. Trust me when I say this as well...Bob, Alex, & Ehren did justice to the original character & the visual effects on him are AMAZING. I will go out on a limb here and say that when you see & hear the new Soundwave you will NOT look at the original in the same way. Those 3 men & Mike listened to the fans. You will LOVE this rendition of him [unless you are rooting for the Autobots]

All that really seems to 'fit' to me. Especially the part about how the Constructicons get their alt modes. I also hope the part about Barricade is true! Very interesting and Im anxious to find out if its all true!

I thought blackout was quite high up in the ranks, from the first movie and also from the prequels he seemed as high if not higher than starscream i was soo unbeleivably happy to see him in the showest footage, he was one of the best characters in the first film, IMO the best decepticon in the first

If I'm going to watch this movie 15 or MORE times in the theaters (like I did with the first), then I don't mind a spoiler or two. I'm definitely liking what I hear, even if a bit off or not even close, I know I'm going to end up loving it.

Im sure Soundwave at one point which may not be shown in the movie arrives to earths orbit by way of his jet mode which is very similar to how Megatron arrived & eventually crash landed. In this case Soundwave arrives within Earths orbit & set's up shop as? You guessed it a satellite.Scans heavy equipment vehicles, military grade vehicles & also locates Megatron.

Perfect set of plot details that makes absolute sense as Decepticons are in mid proto-form comet modes & scanned into designated vehicles are a work of genious by who? You guessed, the rockstar! SW.Oh yeah & he's the only Transfomer with his very own chica =), Alice/"Ravage"...Can you dig it!!!!!

I don't really have any qualms with this. Bob Orci did say Ravage had a special ability, and all the other stuff makes sense. Especially him saying Mixxy has lots of screentime, since Mike Patton was rumored to be doing his voice. I bet he is the leader of the Constructicons. Everything else sounds logical enough.

I don't like how Alice is RAVAGE! ARRRGH!!! I was throwing a temper tantrum after reading that (then rofl). I wanted her to be the Frenzy like thing that is actually Rumble and have the pile drivers that shake stuff up around campus as Sam is running away.

I like how they developed Soundwave more and MORE. The alt mode giving thing sounds genius and it's kind of like Teletraan 1 but for the Decepticons.

Why is Scrapper suddenly red and not yellow. Well they didn't release his toy, so I guess he could have had a color change : /

Wait, so is "Grindor" now a twin of Blackout?!?! Oh HECK NO! Too many twins if they have

Too much! This opens up the question WHAT THE HECK was that THING on the car with the hair and the claws and the chestplate? A minion I guess.... I'm hoping Rumble and then include Laserbeak as an eye in the sky.

Anyone want to second my Scalpel vs. Wheelie fight thing where Wheelie turns to Autobot and comes to rescue Sam and ends up killing Scalpel after an intense mini battle where he almost gets decapitated?

FOR GOD'S SAKES PEOPLE RAVAGE IS NOT GOING TO BE ALICE. The concept is unbelievably stupid. And for those who need something to convince them then how about the interview where the writers said the were going to keep and bots that have animal forms from being able to speak. Second thing to prove I'm right is this pic. http://www.flickr.com/photos/26729933@N02/3405357629/in/pool-transformersmovieThat's clearly a tall gate with razor wire above it. I don't car how tall that gate ends up being it proves that ravage is far to big to become human size (remember they stated no morphing will be in the movie, just transforming)

This is a shock to us here at Dreamworks. We are NOT asking you to remove this info [maybe a few months ago we would have] but we will clear some up for you.

I will say that most of the info is correct but some is not.

The robot that is fighting Bumblebee is NOT "Scrapper" because if you look closely he is seen by the wall [yellow bot] when Shia & Megan jump from the blast of Starscream. We aren't revealing if the red bulldozer has a name just yet. Around 10 bots will be nameless.

2 Decepticons do NOT give up their spark for the return of Megatron. It is just one. If you look through TF mythology this won't come as a surprise. This character willingly sacrifices himself.

A lot of people speculate that the tank tracks on Megatron are from Brawl--they are NOT. His tank tracks are cybertronian metal and that is the reason most of his body has rust but the tracks do not. He is built from deceased Decepticons but not from the Laurentian Abyss. There is a double-meaning to the name Long Haul [think back to his F.A.B. toy bio]

Isabel's character is NOT a human form for Ravage. I will not say who but think back to the videos I am sure you have seen with the crew & the puppet-like minion. Ravage actually has nothing to do with the college aspect. Soundwave enlists someone else for that job. All I can say is this...Ravage is far to big [unlike the info you have] to be Isabel.

There isn't a character in the film named "Gridor" because it indeed is Blackout. We had that toy made because we weren't going to show him until this final trailer and we felt if the toy was leaked with that name [we were right] it would ruin the surprise. Mike insisted on the scene with him in it for the Vegas footage. Fans will indeed see a Blackout toy after the release of the film.

Starscream does have re-inforcements however there are only 3 that accompany him. They also use the same scanning technique. If you remember, we had an original artwork with Soundwave in his satellite mode where meteor bots are flying by. Ehren came up with the idea like teletraan 1 for the Autobots. This is but one of the many things Soundwave adds to this film. Mike loved this idea because it saves time on having each individual bot scan & transform. That was a secret of ours however, one of our biggest secrets is now revealed regarding Barricade. As Mike would say...the cat's out on that one. The crew knew the cop car would draw attention on set hence the reason there wasn't a confirmed set-picture---the car is CGI for roughly 3 seconds before a transformation to robot form occurs.

The rest of the info is indeed accurate along with the info on Jazz. We knew a lot of people wanted him to show up but if everyone returned it defeats the purpose of having tragedy in the franchise---same with Brawl & Bonecrusher.

I'm sorry if any info has been spoiled for you but the great thing about our dedication to this film was for each and everyone of the fans out there. We listened to all the good & bad comments over the past couple of years. Enjoy the film!!

Well I guess the names were mixed up then with Scrapper and Rampage like others have mentioned.

I really like the "tread" one so I've been keeping an eye on him... but also as others have mentioned, he had a color change up, too then because his toy is yellow. Makes sense since they might not want two yellow bots fighting to confuse anyone... unless that was the color correction they wanted to fix? I actually like him better with an orange-red color.

I also noticed his CG model has a cool long neck. Didn't seem like the toy had that.

"A lot of people speculate that the tank tracks on Megatron are from Brawl--they are NOT. His tank tracks are cybertronian metal and that is the reason most of his body has rust but the tracks do not."

Megatron is also Cybertronian metal?

Unless you meant the tank parts are new so they wouldn't be rusted like the rest of him and since Brawl should have also been tossed into the ocean, he would also have rust.

I still think it is silly that advanced alien metal is rusting to begin with unless because he was "dead" his body was unable to maintain itself?

Thats right, some big secrets were revealed that we didn't want published, so what i am going to do is confirm them for you. Then add a bit more that you didn't ask to hear because we want to keep it tight lipped around here.

"2 Decepticons do NOT give up their spark for the return of Megatron. It is just one. If you look through TF mythology this won't come as a surprise. This character willingly sacrifices himself."

It's... it's not Soundwave is it? He IS Megatron's most loyal follower and we know that of the 4 Decepticons that revive Megatron, 3 of them are Constructicons and obviously dont die as they reappear as Devastator later on, leaving... Soundwave :(

so what you think both megatron and the fallen show up at the end, obviously the fight between optimus and megatron in the forest takes place way before they get to egypt which means he would have been revived by then

you're talking about the ~4 minutes of footage we've seen of a 2 1/2 hour movie. just because the fight in the forest probably happens before the egypt battle, it doesnt mean it happens "way" before, and that still gives soundwave time to go out like a bitch say half way through the movie, which would suck

transfan said... you're talking about the ~4 minutes of footage we've seen of a 2 1/2 hour movie. just because the fight in the forest probably happens before the egypt battle, it doesnt mean it happens "way" before, and that still gives soundwave time to go out like a bitch say half way through the movie, which would suck

5/01/2009 8:39 PM

Man.. I'm all with ya on that.. If Bay kills soundwave I'm going to be sooo upset. The one robot I truly wanted to see in live action gets taken away? C'mon that can't happen...

It would ruin the movie for me, Prime? he can die.. but Soundwave? C'mon Bay don't do this to us.. We wanted soundwave, how could you go off and kill him?

I had such high respect for you Bay, now ? nothing.. I'm not sure if i want to see TF2 now. I don't want to see soundwave die..

Fuckin' Lame mmmmBay...

Fuckin' Lame...

Also, is Blackout missing an arm when they show prime hitting him with his swords? looks like Black out is missing his right arm...

WAIT-----I think I figured it out....at the end of the "employees" post he/she said we listened to all comments. NO WAY that Soundwave would be the one who does this sacrifice....I have a feeling it is done on Cybertron the spark is taken to Megs and that bot is.................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................SHOCKWAVE---the most loyal were Sound & Shock wave. Bay won't kill the most requested character---even he isn't that cruel

my money is on Shockwave giving his spark to be taken to Megs---final answer REGIS--final answer :)

This blog has become like heroin to me. I want to stop reading it because I don't want to know anymore spoilers, but I need my daily (lately, 4, 5, 6x a day) hit. Thank you TFL for doing such a wonderful job. I have been reading this blog since May 2008 and can honestly say if even half of the things that were just posted from the guy at DW and the showest guy are true, this movie is going to be everything all of us geewuners, transfans, autonomous robotic organisms and decepticreeps have wanted and more. I'm gonna "try" to stop reading this site for a while because I don't want to know everything going in to June 24th. Lets see how long that lasts. =)

P.S. Scorpio, I was the guy who sent in Motormaster, Blitzwing and Shockwave to your contest a couple months back. Great job on that.

I'm thinking that the Frenzy-like being, is frenzy's bro Rumble who takes the form of a desceased human named Alice. I'm guessing, that Megatron and Prime are going to have some unfinished buisness but the only difference is, Starscream and Blackout join to kick ass.

WHO IS THE RED CONSTRUCTICON?? Well, that's ok because i was worried it was Rampage, and it turns out he is not. Both Scrapper and Rampage need to be Yellow. This way they will be like Bonecrushers BIG brothers!! : }

Hey all of you. I am the poster from last night that provided the information that I am surprised has grown so much. I just wanted to respond to the guy that claims he is from DreamWorks. I have a feeling this guy is a fake. Industrial Light & Magic and Digital Domain are doing the visual effects for this film. DreamWorks and Paramount are making it. This guy is talking like he is sitting in on the visual effects sessions which only the writers, producers and director would do. Plus he is stating that quote:

Anonymous said...

That's right, some big secrets were revealed that we didn't want published, so what I am going to do is confirm them for you. Then add a bit more that you didn't ask to hear because we want to keep it tight lipped around here.

--DWE

Now why would someone who works for DreamWorks start confirming secrets and add a bit more if they want to keep it tight lipped? Also without Michael Bay's permission and all cast members have to sign a contact not to release information.. I do not work for DreamWorks as I stated last night nor did I work on Revenge. I am friends with people at ILM and DD and our company was one of many that attended ShoWest. I am not under contract to keep my mouth shut because like I said I have nothing to so with the production. They sign as DWE meaning DreamWorks Entertainment. There is no division under that name. It is only DreamWorks Pictures and DreamWorks Animation SKG. I suspect this is someone trying to toy with the information I have provided. I don't really care either way. I am myself a huge fan of Transformers and just thought I would volunteer the information I was made privy to at ShoWest. I would love to provide information as to who I am but just in case it may get me or someone at ILM or DD in trouble I shall remain in the shadows. Like I said there were 300 plus people at the ShoWest after party so I felt it was safe to tell you guys what I know.

I am just posting this last time so if you see anymore posts claiming it is me then don't believe it. If you need straight facts or get a 100% confirmation then take the word of Roberto Orci or Alex Kurtzman over some guy claiming to be from DreamWorks. In closing I will say I sent a email this morning to someone in the know to clarify about the changes on Scrapper and Rampage and I was told is the yellow bot chasing Sam is Rampage but he was changed from the toy seen as the yellow Rampage to the a wheeled construction machine and his head was moved to that robot model. Look at the head of Rampage on his toy box on this site and then look at the scene with Sam jumping off the roof and you will see Rampage has the same head as the toy but is another mode. Scrapper was given his body, color changed, and a different head for the film. Same thing was done with Demolishor from the movie to the toy itself (different colors).

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So it was mentioned by the DWE guy about the shots of the Frenzy like creature on Sam's dads Saturn car being Alice. Well after Sam gets chased by Barricade and Ravage and Bumblebee shows up to fight them off right as Sam's dad arrives and they get attacked by this creature who is with Barricade. They escape and drive home which isn't far from the college but the creature is hanging on the car. That is when more of these creatures attack their house and hurt his dad and that is the scene where Bumblebee crashes through the fence to save them. From here they go to see Simmons and find Prime aka the graveyard scene. The scene where Bumblebee is dancing in the garage and the house damaged outside is because Bumblebee accidently falls into the side of the house and that is why Sam is kind of cold to him in the garage about how he isn't coming to college with him after his dad lets him have it.

So enjoy the film you guys and keep up the good discussion. Now remember if from this point someone claims to be me then it isnt true. This is my last post but as Prime say "We are here and we are waiting."

"That is when more of these creatures attack their house and hurt his dad and that is the scene where Bumblebee crashes through the fence to save them. From here they go to see Simmons and find Prime aka the graveyard scene."

That graveyard scene with Sam dressed in black, as if he was going to a funeral, and now the decepticons attack the Witwicky house before that...hmmm...seems like Sam's mom is getting killed off.

I also think that SW is not actually aligned with the Decepticons, but with his own cause. In that Showest Montage, it seems like Megs is kicking SW ass in the rooftop.

So the red one is scrapper and the yellow one is rampage? That can't be true. You see: The red one does have these caterpillar treads inside his claws and the same legs as the toy has. And if you look closely you can see that the yellow decepticon from the new trailer does have wheels attached to his legs which look like the wheels from the Caterpillar 992G - Wheel Loader that will be used to form the right arm of devastator - so that must be scrapper unless it is a mistake of naming the toys.

The deleting of Soundwave from his premiere appearence makes no f/n sense. That would be utterly dissapointing. Dont even consider the idea Bay and Orci. No fn way...Hes the reason Im watching this movie 15 times, with no sneek-ins, Im a loyal paying customer.

I know that you have received another post from this individual who is a friend to someone at ILM/Digital Domain that had gained some [albeit not 100% truthful] information of the ROTF production however I must add another clarification:

Mike explained a few months back that once the Super Bowl was released there would be an "onslaught" of information coming out. That night of the big game the fans saw a T.V. Spot then shortly after a full teaser, the footage from Las Vegas & a full trailer. In that timeframe a lot of info has been released with some of it being mis-information [mainly from Mike] The Hasbro toys and the new game are all parts of the onslaught. We are doing everything we can to make sure that noone forgets this sequel is coming out soon [not like any of you here would forget]

At certain points we are allowed to offer information to the public and that is the reason Mr. Weaving pointed out that Megatron would be returning. There is a green-light if you will on when it's okay to release certain details. If you remember there was only one piece of artwork & one toy around that showed Megatron as a tank when Mike said it was "just a toy"...then the next two arrived and we felt that it HAD to be addressed. Mr. Weaving did the interview and this time when asked about the return he gave out some rather interesting info. The reason we do this is for all of you out there. Mike knew the fans would figure it out and you haven't disappointed him yet. He was trying at all costs to preserve plot points as long as he could but there is no fooling the fans.

I along with a colleague asked permission to give out that spoiler earlier. I would never have gone behind the back of anyone else. We do take pride on the accuracy of this film and we are hearing a deja vu complaint "robot names being wrong" & that is the reason I have addressed the issue. Trust me when I say this......all of the toys that associate with the major classes [SCT, FAB, DLX, VOY & LDR] will be named correctly. The name "Grindor" is only for the F.A.B. toy and that's it. There will NOT be any mix-ups...I can give you my word. Ehren has been VERY adamant about this fact as well---he will be the first to say that he's the ultimate "fanboy"

The individual who posted his word-of-mouth info did gain access to plot points and we are not upset at that but we only hope if you are going to be an insider you have all the facts straight. The movie being "tight-lipped" is now out the window after the full trailer however we won't reveal our biggest secrets until it opens of course. If you have been following all the released material over the past year you can make a pretty good run at what the plot is all about but we will surprise you when you are in your seat. To be honest we haven't read a post from one person yet that has the ending figured out [not to say that someone doesn't know it...we just haven't read it] but the fans on this blog as well as the others are VERY smart at picking up details.

You had info leaked to you by a person who was half-right. I cleared some things up for the fans out there following the film. As I mentioned I was given permission to leave you with the Barricade spoiler. The info I gave doesn't ruin the ending or even major plot points because if you have been following you know that:

Megatron returns..I never said who he gains the spark from.Alice is a pretender..all you know is that it's not Ravage.The seekers were obvious..I didn't say who the 3 were.

I cleared up the bot info and gave you a Barricade spoiler. That being said I did not write this post here:

"That's right, some big secrets were revealed that we didn't want published, so what I am going to do is confirm them for you. Then add a bit more that you didn't ask to hear because we want to keep it tight lipped around here."

It appears another user has taken credit for that attempt at sarcasm already.

I hate to do this again but as you know Sam & Mikaela have a long-distance relationship and the info you were given in the 2nd update is also incorrect to an extent. The college Sam attends is an east coast university so the school and his house would NOT be in a close proximity to each other [that should give it away right there]

If you remember [I'm sure you do--who am I kidding] the coloring book revealed a "kitchen crew" of drones. They do NOT appear while Sam is enrolled in college. Those two points in time do not intersect during the film.

I couldn't leave you without one more ROTF spoiler. I may have gone too far as to say the "spark" Megatron receives wouldn't come as a surprise but I was explicitly told to relay this to the fans:

It DOES NOT come from Soundwave. Trust me when I say this as well...Bob, Alex, & Ehren did justice to the original character & the visual effects on him are AMAZING. I will go out on a limb here and say that when you see & hear the new Soundwave you will NOT look at the original in the same way. Those 3 men & Mike listened to the fans. You will LOVE this rendition of him [unless you are rooting for the Autobots]

I think you now have plenty of info [that is correct 100% by us here at DW] to hold you over for the next month. On June 8th the world premier will be in Tokyo and I am sure the many blogs will be filled with people who saw the film. I will use a line from that other individual

This is my last post. I hope you have a great time at the theater [I urge any of you that can...to see it in IMAX] in June. Mike has made an amazing film and there are so many components that were put into making ROTF and we would love to crown it this summer's best. Thanks for your support around the world Transformers fans---if not for each and every one of you---this franchise wouldn't even be possible.

The Red robot is Rampage in his steam hammer mode. The yellow robot is Scrapper. I have a feeling because of what was said that it will be Shockwave who sacrifices his spark to resurect Megatron as they said "This character willingly sacrifices himself" In the movie continuity Shockwave was fourth in command (After Megatron, Starscream and Blackout) Seeing as Blackout survives for a fight with megatron against Optimus along with Starscream it will most likely be Shockwave. Although there has been no offical news of Shockwave appearing in this film if he did he would only be in it a short time to destroy the Aircraft carrier. Then again if they wanted to make it less obvious then it is Barricade.

The name Long hauls other meaning is that he brought pieces of robot from cybertron along with him to help rebuild megatron.

Also a small note. A while ago when asked if Soundwave was going to have minions in the film they replied "Does Soundwave usually have minion`s :)" Because of the pluralisation i believe Soundwave will have Laserbeak as another of his minions in this film.

The 3 other seekers are:SkywarpThundercrackerThrust (Damn)

Replying to chachwins:

Thanks for the compliment. Nice nickname :) After i have completed the model i will upload it and provide a link :)

Oh and here is a Robot Replicas Jetfire Picture review courtesy of TFW2005:

I gotta agree wit u on the Shockwave theory--dat would be kool. Maybe LongHaul's meteor is the biggest [cuz he is bringin stuff] & dats why the carrier splits in half. I thinks dat Lazer has to be in it cuz he & Ravage was da 2 most popular minions.

"Another tidbit and a spoiler is as follows..So it was mentioned by the DWE guy about the shots of the Frenzy like creature on Sam's dads Saturn car being Alice. Well after Sam gets chased by Barricade and Ravage and Bumblebee shows up to fight them off right as Sam's dad arrives and they get attacked by this creature who is with Barricade. They escape and drive home which isn't far from the college but the creature is hanging on the car. That is when more of these creatures attack their house and hurt his dad and that is the scene where Bumblebee crashes through the fence to save them. From here they go to see Simmons and find Prime aka the graveyard scene. The scene where Bumblebee is dancing in the garage and the house damaged outside is because Bumblebee accidently falls into the side of the house and that is why Sam is kind of cold to him in the garage about how he isn't coming to college with him after his dad lets him have it."

That's the most confusing paragraph I've read in my entire life. I'm now convinced that the Dreamworks insider guy has all the facts correct. Sam said to Micheala {spelling??} that they were now a long distance couple when he was setting up the webcam thing. Why would he say that if she was nearby? The girl is at a bike shop which probably means she has access to them all the time and could visit Sam anytime. I have a hard time trusting people but........I say that "DWE" is legit and the college is in the East.P.S. I LOVE THAT INFO ABOUT SOUNDWAVE NOT SACRIFICING

I saw a pic of that grey car where the mystery bot is attacking it and I see it has a New Jersey license plate. Spike's parents live in California {dad's car had a CA plate in first film} which makes me think that the grey car belongs to the roomate or it's a car they are forced to steal. My opinion is the same as anon. @ 5:36 about the long distance thing. Megan is clearly in CA while Spike is in NJ & the grey car is NOT the dad's. I think I should sit in a room with no computer or TV until Revenge starts :)

I always get a kick out of it when someone says "Spike" instead of Sam :) Now to the point of this here post thingy.....that guy said they drive back home...house gets attacked...and they meet Prime in the graveyard.

Here is why I don't believe the visual effect guy-----we all know that same car gets split in half in the factory/warehouse thingamabobber. Also if you notice Sam is wearing a black collared shirt at the graveyard and jeans and his tennis shoes [obviously not a funeral like some have said and while he is in this car Sam has a black shirt on---not collared & lastly--when they meet Reggie Leo has on a green jacket in the car it's blue or grey--you know what I mean]

My bankroll is on that cat from Dreamworks & if he is not legit I am gonna be upset because I almost peed my pants [actually--I did really] when I heard SWaVe was not gonna give his spark away to M-Tron

Replying to Calvin:I`m okay with the grammar :)I really hope it is Ramjet or Dirge seeing as if it hasnt my hopes for my Thrust design appearing in a film have just dropped :( Hopefully it is Ramjet though i hope we dont have recolours again.

Replying to Katie:

:) A new person. Here is how i think the car scene happens. Sam has drew alot of symbols in class and after taling to prime he discovers he is being effected by the Allspark (like how it effected his grand father)

The Autobots bring Mikela to there base and keep her safe after prime promises to look after her. She waits at Sams house while he is at school. A swarm of robot drones attack the house and she is rescued by Bumbleebee. She then goes on her motorbike and drives to the school. Meanwhile Alice (The Pretender) manages to corner Sam and kisses him and then tries to kill him revealing her true form. Mikela finds Sam and hits Alice with a fire extinguisher. The two of them escape as Alice returns to human form. Sam trigers the school alarm and the group run in the ensuing panic.

They get into Sams car and start to drive away. Sams roommate is also chased and he quickly gets into the car. Alice turns into her Pretender form and attacks the car climbing onto the bonnet. Sam opens the top window and starts fighting Alice.

Eventually they escape from Alice by hiding in a warehouse. Starscream then slices the car in two. Sam is experimented on by Scalpel. Optimus arrives and fights both Megatron and Starscream and rescues Sam, Mikeal and Sams roommate.

"""Thanks for your support around the world Transformers fans---if not for each and every one of you---this franchise wouldn't even be possible.

REVENGE IS COMING!!!

--DWE"""---------------------------------OMG....that is like the coolest line ever. If this guy is real I am glad he came back to defend himself. It feels great to hear that we (the TransFANS) had such an imapct on RotF. Please be real Dreamworks guy! At least we know if someone else says they are him we will know it's not.....at least by the sounds of his post he is done giving us info :( I WANT MORE!!!! j/k...Thanks for what you did give.

I love how that "other" tried to check the DWE guy on his stuff and in turn ends up getting seriously own'd. How could you not realize that if Sam and Mikela was in a "long distance" relationship his college could not be close to his house? That was great! I was always a little iffy about that other guy anyways. The man kept trying to tell us that the bot behind the building was Rampage, when we know that Rampage has treads and that bot clearly has wheels. And when he said Ravage was Alice, I rolled my eyes, like come on, really? But that is the great thing about this board, if your stuff isnt hole free, it will get ripped apart. That has happened to everyone here at one point.DWE guys, best believe that if you are proven to be not legit, after coming in here and telling use ALL we wanted to hear about how Mike listens to the FanBoys and then that Soundwave does not die. Man if you are a fake, We will get Soundwave on your tail, via finding out your location and blowing it Up! So if you are real, thanks for your time and info, if not prepare for destruction.

Just Kidding, Please be legit. I have almost had a stroke these last two days trying to prove/disprove, believe/not believe all this info.

-The scene where Bumblebee is dancing in the garage and the house damaged outside is because Bumblebee accidently falls into the side of the house and that is why Sam is kind of cold to him in the garage about how he isn't coming to college with him after his dad lets him have it.

Yeah, this guy is babbling. You can see at the beginning of the ShoWest footage that the garage BB is in as tarp on the front of it. Which goes to tell you that that is from the footage when BB jumps, out looks around and shoots at something, which looks to be the house. BB falling on a house? I think not.

As seen herehttp://filmonic.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/bumblebee-transformers-2.jpg

I think this guy really did see some unseen footage, but I think that he tried to give us his own theories based off that. Either that or his source is feeding him bull.

the red bot fitghing Bumblebee isn't rampage...or any of the decepticons. This isn't coz of the colours....it's rampage's size..his about bumblebe siz...or twice as big.....and franckly thats too small

Now before you bash me...get this first:- Devastator is HUGE, his mouth alone is has big has bumblebee...his face is bigger than optimus......and has we all seen in the trailer hisharms are quite big and long, and weel rampage is he's right arm..therefor h due to mass shifting he has to be at least 3,5 or 4 times bigger than bumblebee

Seriusly check out the trailer....rampage is at undergound with long haul to revive megs and he looks to be about the same size as long haul....from wut we could see long haul is much much more bigger than megatron

so by that logic..the red transformers cant be rampage.....maybe he's the 8th constructicon

While I have my serious doubts about both of the posters claiming to have inside information, if I were to believe one of them it would be the guy signing as DWE. Mainly because some of the plot claims from the guy at ShoWest don't seem to jive very well. And it is very possible the the footage shown there was altered or just not finished. And because of the leaks from the first movie, I'm sure Bay was prepared for possible leaks happening at ShoWest. I'm not saying the guy at ShoWest is lying, or that his inside friend is lying, only that they are probably wrapped up in some misinformation. Same could be said for DWE, but his info does just seem to fit better with the already known/speculated info we have seen.

I think the red/orange bot fighting BB is Rampage.If you look at the stills, you see that his head seems to be an exact match to the head of the bot standing on the wright at the ocean floor. Remember that Rampage walks on four legs, so that in a frontward angle you may not see the entire bulk of his body.But I have to admit that at first I too thought he was too small. And also it's this with the wrong color. Still not sure about this.

rampage is in the trailer, where starscream shoots at sam and megan. He has four legs and weve seen the toy. rampage is totally yellow

The robot with the treads fighting bumblebee is a different robot, he is red and yellow, his face is different to rapmpages face, his mostly red. I think his name is scrapper.

Im not gonna argue that rampage is a different constructicon from the bot fighting bumblebee (scrapper maybe) because i know im right and when the movie comes out you all shall see.^^your probably one of the people who thought blackout was grindor or that he was a "placeholder" lol for soundwave

just thinking if the main torso is an excavator (like domolisher) it mite be scavenger like some people thought and like it read on the devastator toy,which could explain the treads and the whole redness.

rampage is underwater with the others(looks like hes on four legs)and it could either be scrapper or rampage whos chasing sam and mikela in the egypt scene(probably scrapper due to the lack of treads)

^ Why dont you go read prequel comic to the 1st TF movie... then you will know that Prime spreads the Autobots across the whole galaxy in search of the All Spark & it turned out Bumbleebee hit the jackpot when he landed on Earth coz the All Spark was on that planet eventually.

THAT WAS WHY AT THE END OF THE 1ST MOVIE OPTIMUS PRIME CALLED TO ALL SURVIVING AUTOBOTS TO EARTH!!!!!!!!

My girlfriend is a Computer Animator and we live in Miami. Recently she attended an event called evolve3d that was for CGI artists on the east coast. It also served as a job fair. Anyway she meet this guy named Ted Davis who is a texture artist at Digital Domain and they talked about things that happen when composting films. She said the guy worked on T1 and said that while working on ROTF the main problem they ran into with working with so many robots was colors. If you have two bots with he same color fighting it gets so easy to lose track of them. She said that if she would have to guess that bot may have started of as Rampage but when they saw how the fight seen looked between him and BB they decided that they would have to either cut it or change someone's color. Being that changing color is a lot more easy than redoing all that complex animation they choose to do that. Now based off that im guessing that they either found a way to justify Rampage's color change or they just inserted a new bot to fill his place in that fight seen. Seeing how Rampage is still a vivid yellow on Devastator, i think it is the latter. That will explain Overload and the whole # of constructicons.

About the Jazz part, i don't belive Jazz is Underwater. In the Comic It looks like Prime loads him in a trailer and they bury him. I don't think the Autobots would just throw Jazz in the water with the Con's. If Long haul Did stomp on someone it would have to be Brawl or something. Maybe a Rivalry that we don't know about.

No, he is under water. In the Alliance comic books they did get a trailer for him and it acted as a casket, when they dropped him in, a burial at sea. Kinda like the old navy men used to do. Maybe those Decepticons ran across it, broke it open and preceded to decimate Jazz's remains. Its a cool setup to show the new wave of ruthlessness the Autobots face.

however the comics arent canon, because baricade died but he is in the sequel and i dont think the army would have cared for his sentiments, plus if people were excavating and found jazz the secret would be out

I know alot of you love to argue and express your opinions about all this. Which bots is who, Is Soundwave is going to give up his spark to save Megatron, Why they are not showing alot of autobots in the trailer. I can see Michael Bay just laughing cuz his misinformation plan for this movie is working. For one i refuse to believe soundwave is going to give up his spark and we never see him again. That would be a sick joke. Most of us G1 fans have been waiting for him. Bay knows that, the writers knows that. They are going to do Soundwave juctice. Soundwave is loyal to megatron but he also knows that he plays a big part in the overall plan. Also this movie is call REVENGE OF THE FALLEN. The trailer was plan to show a HUGE threat against the earth and the universe. Yes i believe there will be a good amount of autobots to combat the Decepticons. It wont be as many as them as I think we all can see. And the discussion about Rampage and Scrapper.There are still alot of bots we dont have a clue about. That is not Rampage fighting BB. Rampage will be huge. That bot is just unnamed for now.

HAHAHAHAHA! Michael Bay is enjoying every bit of this. He sees this blog most definitely.

Blast you kids! those reg posters have a point! fuckin shut up next time you anonymous fucks!

read this & go suck your gf's ass!

" Chris Mowry and artist Alex Milne, who collaborated on The Reign of Starscream comic book, will reunite for IDW Publishing's prequel to the film. Originally set to be a five part series entitled Destiny,[91] it was split into two simultaneously published series, Alliance and Defiance. Alliance is drawn by Milne and began in December 2008: it focuses on the human and Autobot perspectives.[8] Defiance, which started the following month, is drawn by Dan Khanna and is set before either film, showing the beginnings of the war."

Man I wanna slap this guy. I am not saving that Rampage does not have four legs homie. What I am saying is that the bot next to the building has a big effin wheel on his right side and IS NOT Rampage. Can you follow that?

Anon I really hate insulting people on these boards but there is no way around it. If you cannot see that big a$$ gray thing on the right side of that bot's body, above the power lines and under the arm pit, you are a few Constructicons short of Devastator.

Everyone needs to LEAVE SCORPIO ALONE. Gosh darn you people we are just trying to get info about the movie. If you don't want this info yet, then stop going to this website until June 24. Unplug your computer or something if you can't control it.

Anyway I think this DWE guy is fake. You do realize that since this guy is anon anyone can post a message and use the --DWE at the end of it. I don't know why the precious info Michael Bay tried so hard to preserve would be freely given like this.

The Scrapper/Rampage color/look thing I will just leave alone until all is revealed on the 24th. I hope that the 10 unnamed bots are just simple Decepticon protoforms and not important characters. The kitchen bots and the Transformers that turn into weapons may be unnamed also. I REALLY hope that Ravage and the Alice Pretender are two different characters.

The Seekers could be Thundercracker, Skywarp, and Sunstorm maybe? Springer is in this I swear!

Lastly has anyone thought of where the Space Bridge leads to? I doubt Cybertron but its possible.

"Anyway I think this DWE guy is fake. You do realize that since this guy is anon anyone can post a message and use the --DWE at the end of it. I don't know why the precious info Michael Bay tried so hard to preserve would be freely given like this."-------------------------------------------That was a waste of space here in the comments...Micheal Bay had a "mis-info" agenda before that new trailer premiered. Why would he care what info is out now as long as it doesn't spoil the ending. I don't work for the film so I can't say any info is true but....think about this------when people claimed that Bay had a "twitter" account he showed up on his forums to deny that. If in fact that info we have from the DW insider is true then so what...it just shows how F'n awesome Soundwave will be {that will give this movie box office records right there} and that they tried to keep 'Cade hidden from us {which I like}. He/she didn't say who the pretender robot is but we all knew Alice would be the human form. My guess is that person wanted to mainly clear up the BS of the robots being mis-named-----that some idiots can't grasp here and elsewhere. It just so turns out we received some really cool info to go with it.

p.s. what a stupid statement about someone signing the same name. I could sign evey post with the same name but different writing styles and you wouldn't know how I really write unless you see more than one post.....that person not only has the same style as he/she posted earlier but they don't sound like a moron either. My mind isn't made up about this info but it sure doesn't change the fact I'll see RotF 15-20 times while it's in theaters. Revenge MotherFlippers

I think the bot fighting BB looks exactly like Rampage except for the color. The reason he looks small is that he is actually lying down with BB on top of him, and he is rising only the front part of his body when he hits out at BB. If you look closely just at the beginning of the cut, you can see one of the tracks from his hind legs at the opposite side of BB. Also if you study the toy version of Rampage, you see that his face is an almost exact match in the main facial features, although there is an obvious difference in detail.The yellow bot beside the building has a head that looks nothing like the toy version of Rampage except for the color. Also, this bot has no sign of tracks attached to its arms, and it looks very much to be moving on two legs. My guess is that this is Scrapper. It's definitely not Rampage.

As has been said by a ton of people, i am almost 100% sure that the yellow bot by the building isn't rampage.Take a look at the screenshot:http://picasaweb.google.com/nick.shinsou/RampageProof#5331332008122891762I outlined some stuff, and you can clearly see that this bot has what looks to be a wheel on its leg, and a smokestack upon its shoulder. Now take a look at the rampage toy:http://picasaweb.google.com/nick.shinsou/RampageProof#5331332003908062834Now, while the toy may be a bit outdated, i doubt it would have changed that much. Rampage's alt is a dirt mover, withOUT wheels. Beyond that, the toy has no smokestacks of any kind. Finally, there is anatomy on the toy that the movie bot is obviously missing, like the treads. As I said, ta ton of people have speculated on this, but I thought i'd take the chance to make it clear. Yellow movie bot is NOT rampage.

Wait the thing where he said "You will LOVE this rendition of him [unless you are rooting for the Autobots]" Does this mean that he kills a lot of the Autobots? Or is he just saying he is a Decepticon and you like the Autobots? I think about 2/3 of the Autobots are gonna die (which may sadly mean Sidswipe, Skids, and Mudflap may go.

yeah, http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e211/TheSoulMaster/fallenbrothersconstructicons.jpg?t=1241311405that image, but these bots are stated as "the fallen brothers", but there I can see some lookalikes... of Mixmaster and Demolishor

I don't know if anyone already mentioned it, but isn't it obvious who will give his spark for Megatron? It's gonna be Scorponok. He has always been ridiculously loyal to Megatron. And I don't know who will bring back Blackout, but it looks like he'll die again anyway. He already is missing an arm in the trailer, so yeah... I'm afraid that Starscream and Blackout will die, which is too bad because I freakin' love them! I can't wait to see Soundwave, but I think Bay will keep him as the surprise of the movie, so we'll have to wait untill we see it in theaters... But if Bay decides to release another trailer before June, which I doubt, it would be a great idea to just let us hear Soundwave his voice.

Oh and these are the bots I think will die and give the reason between ( ) :

Autobots:Ironhide or Ratchet (I just feel someone from movie 1 will die)Mudflap and/or Skids (It would add drama and I think if one of them dies, the other will fight 'till death to avenge him)Sideswipe (Just have a weird feeling)Jetfire (He's old and I think he will sacrifice himself to save Prime, though from what I saw in the trailer, he's gonna be funny as f*ck)Arcee (It's been confirmed..)

Decepticons:Starscream (In the trailer it looks like Prime kills him and if Prime's not the one to do the job, then Megs will do it on the top of the building shown in the ShoWest footage.)Blackout (He already lost an arm in the forest-fight against Prime, so I wouldn't be surprised if he died)Devastator + that means all the constructicons (I don't know why, but if you bring in a big boy like that, the good guys will do anything to stop him and they will succeed.)Demolisher (In the ShoWest footage you see his head crash to the ground, so I'm guessing Prime kills him)Scorponok (I think he gives his spark to Megatron to revive their leader)Like 10 other decepticons that travel to earth. (You just know all of them won't survive it)

Other:The Fallen (The big bad guy from the movie just has to die, but not before he signals Unicron => cliffhanger for T3)

That is NOT the real "DWE" a couple of posts up @ 10:02 PM---that person has just made the MOST un-funny attempt at sarcasm I've ever seen. Plus he or she said they weren't coming back to post so.....don't be fooled TFLAM bloggers by loozers who wish they had real info

Could it be Macerator that cuts into the car with a saw with Sam, Mikaela,( i forgot whoelse it was)in it? I read in Transformers The Veiled Threat that he has large circular saws in the book. Please correct me if im wrong on this.

Or maybe Scorpinok gives his spark to bring back Blackout (they had a Soundwave-Ravage relationship) and one of the unnamed Protoform Decepticons could give it to revive Megs. If they HAVE to have a named character give the spark, it could be this Overload guy who we have been hearing about (who I am pretty sure is an Autobot in the series/comics) because there is no room for him to go on Devastator and the Devs toy that we have seen pretty much confirmes only 6 Constructicons make up Devastator.

ROFL at the "please buy your snacks at the theater". I know he is fake and failed at sarcasm but that last comment made me laugh for some reason. (Probably because my mom says to bring snacks from home always and I said "no way, the snacks are better at the theater!")

I cannot believe how bad the comments section of this blog are. How ignorant and rude can you people get to our posters here. It's disgusting and so is the profanity used so freely that makes any conversation seem uneducated and grossly immature.

Secondly, how can anyone actually fall for that DWE guy as being legit? Honestly, it would be more fun for them to go under 'Scorpio' or someone and just post truth, rumors, and dead ends to have fun with us. There are plenty of Pretenders on this site.

Thirdly, please delete ignorant childish posts with profanity. I'm embarrassed to have such immature ranting. Please make this blog have a message board section where you have to login to post. Make a moderator (me :) and have peace already. Atleast you could log IP's and see who logs in from 'DWE' =P

This thread has been around since yesterday afternoon & the first "DWE" post was made shortly after that in the early evening and there hasn't been a response to this anywhere. My point is....perhaps we have real info here {personally I don't trust the first guy so much because he messed up big time about Spike & megans relationship--c'mon that was a huge mistake on his part----probably had a friend mix some truths with half truths LOL}

Where is Bay & the 2 writers at? Why hasn't anyone of those 3 or even Nelson on the Bay boards come back with something to disprove this DWE fella?

I think we were given solid info from a TRUE dreamworks person---I really do. Plus the info is F'n AWESOME about Soundwave and it's truly nice to know Alice is not the human form for Ravage {that would have sucked worse than that first guy's attempt at a Bumblebee spoiler LOL}

Ok seeing as everyone is now hyped because of all this stuff i am going to PRESENT HOW BAD this film COULD BE:

The twins have a major role in the plot and combine in the film.

Soundwave never comes to earth he stays in space giving designs for vehicle and animal modes to the robots (Explaining why Ravage is an animal when he lands in the sea)

Devastator is killed by the military (Kind of like Blackouts death, LAME)

Arcee is crushed by Demolisher (Yet she is so small you cant see much of what happens)

The camera moves to fast in the final fight.

Megatron dies in this film and is resurected in the next (Like when has it happened before?) :)

A robot is sucked into Devastators mouth and survives, Lame

Wheelie has a major role in the plot

Jetfires only complains about his arse throught the film.

Sams roommate has his own sidestory, Boring.

Optimus becomes all evil and goes mad killing all the Decepticons (Like the Bonechrusher fight) It didnt suit him.

Soundwave appears only to die giving up his spark to resurec Megatron.

It turns out the Transformers built the pyramids or there mytholigy is somehow related to the pyramids.

Continuity errors (Such as symbols showing Helicopters even though they couldnt have known about it until then.

Changing plotlines. Adding a backstory which changes how we percieve the first film. (Like saying the Allspark will explode or that there is other Cybertronian stuff on earth)

Not having Devastator appear in a city. Along with not standing this is the worst things they could do.

Having Devastator only use his Vortex not his arms or legs to attack robots.

Pointless shots. The bridge shot, The protoforms in space, The sand eating and the climbing the pyramid with a grappling hook are all money shots only used to waist time.

Pointless Plot lines. Sam going to collage, Giving Mikela a webcam, Leaving bumbleebee, Twins bickering, Jetfires moaning, Sams roommate.All of this is pointless plot which is not neccesary as none of it will have an effect at the end of the film as everything will return to normal at the end of the film or be completely messed up.

wow scorpio. I usually don't come here to post/bash somebody but some of the things you said could actually make the movie better. So what if the story line with Sam and co. is in there? As long as we get to see robots vs. robots, does it really matter if they tell us about Sam and Mikaela's relationship?

He's just pissed because we aren't getting 2 1/2 hour Grimlock-fest but instead we get a quality summer blockbuster that will break records and delight the TransFans.

Scorp--if you are gonna use the info that was provided you may wanna read it correctly. True or not that person said that Soundwave DOES NOT give his spark and he is the 4th bot in the ocean {which is ON Earth--not space}

I'm sure your screenplay along with Es-Suxx will be better in 2012....NOT

The Wave does not die, in fact he but single handidly defeats Unicron in Part 3, by combining Megatrons & Optimus Prime's spark in his: creating the 1st ever "Matrix". As the bot we once knew as Soundwave is now christened "ULTRAWAVE" & heralded as the Unifier of the Transfomers & restores peace on Sybertron & fullfilling an acient prophecy. A King Arthur like movie the rightfull Transformer will take his place as KING of the Universe.

This is a much better story (plausible plot) than that 1986 Transfomers: The Movie cartoon; Rodimus Prime give me a break.

And I have to admit thats a prtty clever plot their.We can all see whats comming IF their is a potential part 3, Unicron is a deadlock to be in it BUT we sure as hell dont want to revist Transformers: The Movie 1986 all over again.

Bay, Orci & Soundwave creators now is the time pull off one of the greatest endings any writer of Transformers have ever dreamnt of.

I'm interested in knowing how big of a role do Jolt & Sideswipe play in the film and how much screen time will they get. Wiki said their characters are pretty close friends. Hope neither of them gets killed.

do you honestly think that twelve tiny little autobots could win a war against like fourty desepticons.C´mon i mean i like all the autobots but there all so tiny compaired to the desepticons,specially davastator,and their outnumberd as hell.their really gonna have to pull something big out of their ass

Given the large number of constructicons that will appear in the film, as well as the fact that 3/4 of the robots present when Megatron is resurrected are constructicons, I suspect that a constructicon sacrifices himself to bring Megatron back. Due to similarity between Scavenger and Demolisher, I think it will be one of them.

I pray to God that if Soundwave gets an Earth mode he will be a jet/satellite and not a GMC truck. GM is going bankrupt for God's sake. What a downgrade if he goes from being a Cybertronian jet to a crappy truck.