This isn't the result of a strong central government, but the actions at the lowest level of regional government.

Police are not run by the feds. Traffic stops like these are not run by the feds. They are run at a city or county level of authority.

4th amendment protections are not fully in place outside your home, and it is entirely lawful to ask for the production of a driver's license or id on any routine stop or traffic checkpoint. </div></div>

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cushioncrawler

08-22-2011, 05:10 PM

Monarchy iz best. I would be happy to be king. Nextly praps dictatorship of a good sort. Fascism kood be ok, mightbe.

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...........................VariationsStatism can be used in reference to a number of different concepts and ideologies that impact different spheres of life;

Conservatives view that a strong, authoritative state is required to legislate or enforce traditional morality and cultural practices.

Economic interventionism asserts that the state has a legitimate or necessary role within the framework of a capitalist economy by correcting market failures, promoting economic growth and/or low levels of unemployment.[citation needed]

State socialism refers to any socialist political movement that advocates the use of the state apparatus as a strategy for building a socialist society (or for achieving a socialist revolution), either through nationalization or through a Vanguardist dictatorship of the proletariat.[citation needed]

Fascism and some forms of corporatism, which extols a moral position that the corporate group, usually the state, is greater than the sum of its parts, and that individuals have a moral obligation to serve the state.[citation needed]...............................

This isn't the result of a strong central government, but the actions at the lowest level of regional government.

Police are not run by the feds. Traffic stops like these are not run by the feds. They are run at a city or county level of authority.

4th amendment protections are not fully in place outside your home, and it is entirely lawful to ask for the production of a driver's license or id on any routine stop or traffic checkpoint. </div></div>

You truly are hopeless.

Who do you think funds and trains LEO's across America?

Soflasnapper

08-23-2011, 09:33 AM

Generally speaking, almost all the funding and training of LEOs is done at the local level.

If you think the feds train them what to do at traffic stops, explain why?

LWW

08-23-2011, 11:19 AM

Are you seriously claiming that the individual states are anything above vassals of the federal gubmint?

Soflasnapper

08-25-2011, 11:09 AM

Shuh, right, because that's the only thing I could have meant? (or something?)

When city police, county sheriff departments, or state highway troopers engage in enforcing city, county or state laws, as is almost all of their policing activity, they are quite independent of the federal government, which typically lacks all jurisdiction over traffic stops, or even murders.

Nor does the federal government tell the states what laws they can have, still less, tell counties and cities what they can do, as a rule.