Azerbaijan was one of the main areas of Zorastrianism - inspired apprently because so much oil seeped up to the surface of the earth and catching on fire that they turned it into a religion - thus the fire bit.

According to my Azeri friends the northern part of Iran, bordering on southern Azerbaijan, is populated by the other 2/3rds of ethnic Azeris - and they talk about reuniting. Lovely. More potential for mayhem.

Funny - we've kinda made oil the object of worship in this culture.

Joan of Arc went to battle with nothingbut the voices in her headand a well-sharpened sword ~ Charlotte

Zoroaster was an excellent character wasnt he? Said to have been born (imaculate conception) laughing out loud with joy, instead of crying when he took his first breath of air.

And then he developed the treatise on positive/negative powers, AhuraMazd and Ahrimon - evolution/decay, refinement/dispersal, attraction/repulsion, etc..... with mastery of elements water, wind and fire as foundation to alchemical transmutation of matter which was apparently ALL related according to doctrine of zoroastrian harmonics where everything can be reduced to differing levels of vibratory energy.

I wonder if zoro's healing exploits were later snatched by the church and attributed to Jesus, same as alot of Jesus stuff was stolen from Apollonia of Tyana, another avatar to whom very little credit is given.

At the beginning of the 1st millennium BC, there was raised an 8-storied towered temple (Maiden's Tower) devoted to seven gods, grandiose for those day, [possessing] seven sacred levels, [and] wall-recessed altars with seven-coloured fires burning in honour of the pantheon of gods of Ahura Mazda or Mithra.
Professor Davud Akhundov.

he former Soviet republic of Azerbaijan possesses no shortage of ancient Persian monuments. None, however, is as enigmatic as the Kyz Galasy (or Maiden's Tower), the oldest and most famous building in the country's capital, Baku.

Legend and mystery surround this ancient structure. No one knows how old it is, or who built it, or why it was constructed. Estimates for its age vary from eight hundred to two thousand six hundred years. A defensive structure, a lighthouse, a Zoroastrian temple, an observatory, a dakhma (place for disposing of the dead)? The experts cannot seem to make up their minds.

Folk memory in Baku speaks of a fiery maiden who delivered the city from a desperate siege in the distant past. The oldest legend, however, (almost certainly pre-Islamic) tells of a mighty ruler who developed an incestuous love for his own daughter. So great was his desire that he promised to give the girl whatever she wished if she would marry him. Although she feared his advances, the young maiden did not dare to disobey her royal father, so she asked him to build her a tower on the edge of the sea, greater than any that had ever been built. The king readily agreed, and construction began immediately. To play for time, the daughter visited the structure regularly and suggested improvements and additions. Finally, when the tower was finished, and it was impossible to build it any higher or any more strongly, she climbed up to its topmost pinnacle and threw herself into the sea, her virginity still intact.

Nothing about this ancient edifice is really known for certain, except its physical characteristics. The Maiden s Tower is a massive stone cylindrical building almost 30 metres high and 17 metres in diameter. It sits anchored to a rock on the edge of the Caspian Sea in the Ichari Shahar, or ancient quarter of Baku. The great quantity of stone needed to construct it could have been used to build a defensive wall around the whole of the ancient city. Its walls, five metre thick, contain seven spiral staircases leading to seven floors. Each floor has curious recesses set into its walls. Nine narrow windows face outwards towards the Caspian Sea and could not, therefore, have been used for defence.

The most curious and puzzling aspect of the tower, however, is the strange trapezoidal projection that points away eastwards towards the rising sun. From the air, it gives the whole building the appearance of a colossal key, or a gigantic tadpole stranded forever on the Caspian shoreline. When the tower first came under serious scientific scrutiny early last century, the Soviet scientists who examined it could find no function for this anomalous projection. It was not a breakwater, or a stabilising buttress, and it was no use for defensive purposes.

For many years, the Gyz Galasy was presumed to date from the 12th Century AD, mostly on the evidence of an Arabic inscription set high in the wall which reads: The vault of Masud ibn Davud. Not long ago, however, the Azeri historian Sara Ashurbeyli convincingly demonstrated that this inscription was merely a piece of broken tombstone used to repair the tower during the Middle Ages. Since then, speculation has grown concerning the real age and function of the building.

Within the last two decades, the Maiden s Tower has begun to reveal some of its secrets. Recent evidence suggests that the structure predates the advent of Islam by many centuries, and is far older than anyone had hitherto imagined.

For thousands of years the Absheron peninsula - upon which Baku stands - was a holy land sacred to those who revered fire as a living symbol of divinity. Pilgrims travelled from far afield in order to worship there. Scores of shrines and temples once covered its windy promontory, lighting up the skies with innumerable natural fires; for Baku sits on one of the largest oilfields in the Middle East. The earth here is saturated with black naphtha and natural gas. In ancient times it would have oozed up under the feet of its inhabitants. At times it would have irrupted spontaneously out of vents in the earth and ignited to create spectacular fountains of perpetual fire: a marvellous sight for anyone approaching Baku by sea!

For most of its history, Azerbaijan -or Odlar Yourdu, The Land of Fire- lay within the cultural influence of Persia. And it is to Persia with its Zoroastrian past that most historians look when attempting to decipher the function of the Maiden s Tower.

Some Iranian historians, like Bastani Parisi, believe it to have been a temple to the goddess Anahita, the virgin deity presiding over waters and fertility. She was the fiery maiden of the legends. A deep well within the tower, cut twenty feet into the rock, still yields water today. The tower could have been built to announce and celebrate the well s holy presence.

Far more colourful is the interpretation of Professor Davud Akhundov, an expert on the architecture of Caucasian Albania, and a native of Baku. He dates the tower back all the way to the 6th century BC. For him it was a magnificent towered sanctuary dedicated to the seven Zoroastrian archangels or Amesha Spentas. Each floor of the tower -he maintains- was once dedicated to a particular hypostasis of Ahura Mazda. Each possessed its own altar and its own uniquely coloured holy fire. The fires were fed by currents of natural gas conducted to the altars via a 30cm wide pottery pipe, which can still be seen today by visitors to the tower. The gas kept the seven fires on the altars perpetually alight in honour of the pantheon of Gods of Ahura Mazda.

If the building was indeed a Zoroastrian temple, however, it is unlike any other that we know. Gas-fed altars of the sort described by Dr. Akhundov are certainly known to have existed. But the little that we know of early Zoroastrian agiaries suggests that they were invariably rectangular in plan, and not circular. In addition, a more conventional fire altar (called by Akhundov the temple of fire in the water) has recently been discovered at the foot of the Maiden s Tower near the water s edge. If this smaller structure was the real temple, then what could have been the function of the tower behind it?

Other historians attempt to distance themselves from Dr. Akhunov's evident romanticism, but their own interpretations have no less colourful. V. Aleksperov and Gala Akhmadov believe the Tower to have been a Zoroastrian observatory, with each of its nine windows angled to a particular heavenly body. The ancient Persians, after all, were famous for their knowledge of Astrology.

A more sober explanation is given M. Nabiyev who sees the structure as a mausoleum. Zoro-astrian burial customs required that corpses be exposed on circular, well-shaped, stone struc-tures called Dakhmas (or Towers of Silence). To bury bodies in the ground dishonoured the earth, which was sacred to Zoroastrians. The proponents of this theory explain the Tower s curious tail-like projection as an astadan: a place where the bones of priests and important Zoroastrians were kept for posterity, the bones of lesser mortals being gathered into the dakhma's central well.

No one, it must be admitted, really knows anything for certain about the Gyz Galasy. The only sure facts are that it is a building of very great antiquity, constructed either by the indigenous Albanian peoples, or by priests of the Zoroastrians faith. In the 12th century AD it was repaired and incorporated into the city walls as part of Baku s defences. In the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries it became a lighthouse. Its light was finally extinguished in 1858; and the tower was opened to the public in 1964 as a museum.

Today, this most famous landmark in Baku draws thousand upon thousands of visitors. Many of them come from Iran, tourists hard on the trail of their nation s cultural history. In the year 2000 when a mighty earthquake rocked the centre of Baku, the Maiden s Tower emerged untouched, her head raised proudly above the rubble of more modern buildings that had succumbed.

This remarkable monument it seems, is likely to remain standing on its rock for many more centuries to come, igniting the passions and lighting up the imaginations of all who gaze upon it.

Joan of Arc went to battle with nothingbut the voices in her headand a well-sharpened sword ~ Charlotte

When life itself seems lunatic, who knows where madness lies? To surrender dreams - -this may be madness; to seek treasure where there is only trash. Too much sanity may be madness! But maddest of all - -to see life as it is and not as it should be.

Bacchus The God of Excess of course he is one cool cat to have become a God.

I mostly feel an affinity for the Celtic Dieties which I identify with from a heritage point of view, and I also like their concept of their being not just Godesses but also Warrior Goddeses.

Mythology is the primary interest for me.

For example, I think I feel such an affinity for the Chechens because of the fact that the Gaelic Celts (who finally settled in the Irish/Scottish/ British areas after traveling extensively from their origins in the Black/Caspian Sea areas of southern Russia, spending time in Egypt and basically wandering for many years til they settled in the area of what is now known by most as the United Kingdom.)
Anyways, these Gaelic Celts, from whom I am directly descended through my father, trace their lineage to one Fenius Farsaid who was a king of a territory (I think it was called Scythia, but I cannot remember off the top of my head) in what is now Southern Russia, near the Black and Caspian Sea. According to the myth, Fenius Farsaid was descended from Noah through Japeth, as the Chechens also claim to be decendents of Noah...though I am not sure through which son of Noah they trace their heritage.
Anyways, I think that is why i feel a weird kinship with the people there even though I never have been there and I really dont have any Chechen friends. But with my Father's heritage being traced back to when these Gaelic Celt people first came to what is now called the UK, they could have possibly been close associates of the Chechens when they were still in the area of the Black and Caspian seas...although i dont know enough about the really near ancient or ancient history of Chechnya to know if the Chechens were even called "Chechens" way back then.

So anyway, the Mythology is more interesting to me than the various Celtic Gods one might read about. At least in my personal point of view.

I like how mythology blends a little reality with a little embellishment...dunno why but I do enjoy Celtic mythology very much.

Passion is necessity. It is not diligence, or simply being committed to a goal. Passion consumes you while you chase down your goal. Passion should always be your natural state of mind for it is what sparks momentum and sets the pace.

DawnC71 wrote:Bacchus The God of Excess of course he is one cool cat to have become a God.

I mostly feel an affinity for the Celtic Dieties which I identify with from a heritage point of view, and I also like their concept of their being not just Godesses but also Warrior Goddeses.

Mythology is the primary interest for me.

For example, I think I feel such an affinity for the Chechens because of the fact that the Gaelic Celts (who finally settled in the Irish/Scottish/ British areas after traveling extensively from their origins in the Black/Caspian Sea areas of southern Russia, spending time in Egypt and basically wandering for many years til they settled in the area of what is now known by most as the United Kingdom.) Anyways, these Gaelic Celts, from whom I am directly descended through my father, trace their lineage to one Fenius Farsaid who was a king of a territory (I think it was called Scythia, but I cannot remember off the top of my head) in what is now Southern Russia, near the Black and Caspian Sea. According to the myth, Fenius Farsaid was descended from Noah through Japeth, as the Chechens also claim to be decendents of Noah...though I am not sure through which son of Noah they trace their heritage.Anyways, I think that is why i feel a weird kinship with the people there even though I never have been there and I really dont have any Chechen friends. But with my Father's heritage being traced back to when these Gaelic Celt people first came to what is now called the UK, they could have possibly been close associates of the Chechens when they were still in the area of the Black and Caspian seas...although i dont know enough about the really near ancient or ancient history of Chechnya to know if the Chechens were even called "Chechens" way back then.

So anyway, the Mythology is more interesting to me than the various Celtic Gods one might read about. At least in my personal point of view.

I like how mythology blends a little reality with a little embellishment...dunno why but I do enjoy Celtic mythology very much.

It was a little further back than usual, possibly before Carthige set up thier empire, but at one time Celts controlled a nice stretch of land from what is now called the UK, along southern Europe/Northern Africa to Turkey. Also that there is still a Celtic sub-culture in Turkey to this day, and they even speak Gaelic.

Then there was a conversation I had with someone from the Caucasus about a lot of similarities between Celts and Chechens. Mostly how similair the "watch towers" that the Chechens built and used. (not many are still standing at this moment). That were almost identical, aside from the Celts made their towers round, and Chechen watch towers have corners.

So I'll meet up with that Russian, that Brazillian, the rest of the team from Brooklyn..and we'll start shooting.

Yeah there is a lot of similarity between the type of Sufi Mystic Islam practiced today by many Chechens and the old Pagan Nature religions practiced by the Celts, which basically got wiped out by the Brits with first Catholicism and then the Anglican church....bloody bastards

Passion is necessity. It is not diligence, or simply being committed to a goal. Passion consumes you while you chase down your goal. Passion should always be your natural state of mind for it is what sparks momentum and sets the pace.

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