Songwriter, musician, and community song leader Richard Bruxvoort Colligan talks to the Rundmans about how the artist's life is a life of trust. Also discussed: smashed guitars, raising children as a full-time musician, and how community singing is performance art.

Dr. Dawn Rundman is a developmental psychologist. Jonathan Rundman is a musician. They’re married. CREATIVITY DRILL is their podcast! Join the Rundmans as they hang out with cool guests and talk about life in the creative arts.