JA, I'm having difficulty understanding how you claim that you "gave big publishers a rejection slip." From your blogs, you state that AFRAID was submitted, rejected, resubmitted and re-rejected. The publisher still "hated" it. That's them giving you a rejection slip, not vice versa.

As to ENDURANCE, your blogs state that you submitted it, it was rejected in the form submitted, and you never resubmitted it at all, much less in a form that was ultimately deemed acceptable. Again, that's a rejection from, not to, the publisher.

While it seems that one or more publishers may have had an option for one or more of these books, those options were never exercised.

This doesn't mean either books is bad. All I'm saying is that if anyone is trying to play this as an "author rejects NY and goes to kindle instead" angle, the facts don't seem to fit.

I'm having difficulty understanding how you claim that you "gave big publishers a rejection slip.

TRAPPED and ENDURANCE were both under contract. I signed this contract prior to self-pubbing anything on Kindle, back in 2008.

My publisher rejected Trapped. I sent it to another publisher. They accepted it.

My publisher did accept Endurance, but they wanted some edits. I could have made those edits, and the book would have been released by my publisher.

But this Kindle thing happened. So I refused to make the edits, broke the contract with the publisher, and didn't submit it elsewhere.

I also refused to sign the contract offering to buy Trapped.

So I had two books, ready to go to press, and instead decided to publish that on my own.

If you don't understand how that is turning down two print deals, I can't help you there. But I turned down two print deals.

If my publisher was willing to accept Endurance without my edits, I would have been contractually bound to let them release it. But that would NOT have been my preference. If I preferred being traditionallu published, I would have made the changes.

joe, a question. Most contracts with the big 6 since about 1993, had had tight electronic rights grabs in them. "and all other digital means not yet invented." Yeah, I know. A real knee slapper if it werent so f-en greedy.

When you had your contracts with the big publishers, assuming contracts were signed after 1993, did they have an electronic rights clause in there?

did you receive an advance on both those books you took back from them?

Did you have to pay the advances back?

How did you get a release for electronic rights for those two books?thanks.