If people are being stabbed continuously, shot continuously, attacked with Smart Bombs, Depleted Uranium Bombs, Drones and Nuclear Bombs you cannot save them by switching off the lights for 1 hour.....You have to stop all kinds of attacks.

Industrial Activity has been destroying environment for 250 years after Industrial Revolution....Switching off the lights for 1 hour and hoping to create awareness about saving environment is like shooting a person continuously for 24 hours, stopping for one second in between and hoping to create awareness about saving the victim of shooting.

Industrial Activity has risen exponentially in the last 50 years.....It has been destroying environment every moment, 24x7, 365 days of the year.

The planet is dying and gasping for last breath....This is not the time to create awareness about saving environment....This is the time to stop Industrial Activity to save the little environment that is left on earth.

Industrial Activity for production of thousands of consumer goods and services must stop immediately.

"Due to the severity of the situation it is mandatory to maintain public calm for as long as possible. The Earth is dying. Humanity is on the road to extinction - without the Shield mankind will die off with in 20 to 50 years. Most people alive today could live to see this extinction take place. This means that an announcement of the situation we face boils down to telling every man, woman and child on earth that they have no future, they are going to be killed. People would panic. There would be economic collapse, the production and movement of goods would collapse. Millions would die in all cities on earth, riots and violence would reduce civilian centers to rubble within days. Half of the population in dense metropolitan areas would try to leave the cities seeking 'safety' in the rural areas thinking that they would be safe. Those left behind in the cities would be at war with their neighbors, fighting for the remaining supplies. We would be telling the world that the world is coming to an end, and even with the Shield the chances of survival are small.

UV Summer and Global Warming are the immediate problems we face, there are far greater problems that are raising their ugly heads and will present new problems which in some cases have no viable solutions at this time. Ecologies are collapsing. The extinction rate of species is climbing. The amount of chemical pollutants in the water and soil are fast approaching and in many places has surpassed the earth's ability to heal itself. Crop failure is on the rise, even in the USA the returns on crops are smaller than they were 10 years ago. Even with the advances in genetically altered food crops, we are falling behind in our ability to produce enough to go around. Throughout the 20th century chemical fertilizers and pesticides were used to insure the best yields. Unfortunately many of these have contaminated ground water, killed beneficial insects along with the undesirable insects. These chemicals have gotten into the food chain and are affected other species besides mankind. It is only a matter of years before famine spreads like a cancer throughout the world.

Clean fresh water is in short supply, in many places well water is non-potable, containing the run off of pesticides, herbicides and fertilizers that have been used on crops and lawns. The water treatment facilities we have are unable to scrub out all of the toxins we have placed in the soil and water supply. Many of the toxins we find build up over time in the body, a long slow poisoning which has been making its presence felt in many areas of the world in the form of cancers, leukemia, sterility, birth defects, learning disorders, immune deficiency problems, etc. These are on the rise, any good researcher can find the records. For decades there was public outcry for the end to pollution. For every small step we made to clean up our production, millions where born who added to the problem. Yes, pollution is down per individual, however there are a couple more billion individuals producing pollution, thus the real numbers have an increase in over all pollution produced. Name a city that does not have problems with smog. You would be hard pressed to find one. Though smog controls on automobiles is higher than ever before, the number of autos on the road has increased thus the amount of smog producing pollutants is higher than ever before. All the clean air acts passed to curb individual factory and auto emissions did not address the production of more factories and more autos. Here an uneasy compromise was made between the need to maintain the economy against the need to maintain the ecology. The ecology lost since it was estimated to be a problem decades from now. The economy was a problem that would have dire effects today.

All of these factors combined have produced a scenario that in shorts boils down to the end of the world in 50 to 75 years. Even if we were to stop all emissions of pollution today, the inertia of past decades is enough to carry us over the brink in 100 years. However we cannot stop the production of pollution, to do so would mean shutting down every factory, every auto, every train, truck, ship and every household on the planet. Electricity is used to heat many homes in the Western World. The production of electricity produces fewer pollutants than heating all homes with wood or coal. Cutting our power generation abilities down to hydroelectric and fission reactors would leave a good chunk of the world in the dark. It is an impossible situation, our civilization is geared to the use of energy, take away our energy and civilization will collapse." (from holmestead.ca, 2003)

_________________"With every decision, think seven generations ahead of the consequences of your actions" Ute rule of life.“We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children”― Chief Seattle“Those Who Have the Privilege to Know Have the Duty to Act”…Albert Einstein

"Due to the severity of the situation it is mandatory to maintain public calm for as long as possible. The Earth is dying. Humanity is on the road to extinction - without the Shield mankind will die off with in 20 to 50 years. ---- (from holmestead.ca, 2003)

Would this be the shield destroyed by the secret chemtrail sky seeding conspiracy? Funny how these secret conspiracies seem to work their way into everything, in this case the flip side of the AGW hoax conspiracy so loved by denialists. In case you are a little confused on the matter here is the holmestead view of things layed out.http://www.holmestead.ca/index-ct.html

_________________"With every decision, think seven generations ahead of the consequences of your actions" Ute rule of life.“We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children”― Chief Seattle“Those Who Have the Privilege to Know Have the Duty to Act”…Albert Einstein

No Wayne doesn't believe in the AGW hoax but he does believe in the chemtrail conspiracy coverup. From your link.

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The big environmental NGOs such as Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth or WWF do not try to glamorise or otherwise promote geoengineering. They simply act as if it is not occurring. Their silence, to look at its positive aspect, possibly reflects a refusal to be associated with the task of making geoengineering look respectable.

The ‘invisibility’ of geoengineering is perpetuated through official denial. The US Air Force, whose KC-135R and KC-10 tanker planes have become a familiar sight in many different parts of the world as they engage in the daily particulate scattering operations of the ‘sunscreen’ programme, on its official site describes eyewitness accounts of these operations as ‘a hoax that has been around since 1996.’ ‘The Air Force’, it says ‘is not conducting any weather modification experiments or programs and has no plans to do so in the future.’ The ‘hoax’ accusation is energetically echoed by the seemingly large numbers of ‘debunkers’ frequenting chemtrail/geoengineering discussion forums, generating considerable confusion, as well as resentment at their characterisation as ‘chemmies’ (a variant on ‘commies’) those who wish to draw attention to the mysterious lines in the sky. Moreover, all elected politicians in the world above the municipal level, if they have heard at all of geoengineering, believe, or profess to believe, the official story that the sunscreen climate mitigation programme is ‘a hoax’.

The commondreams link is a good piece which has nothing to do with the chemtrail coverup conspiracy I was referring to. It is this kind of thing that moves the discussion along, not chemtrail conspiracy diversions, which seem to be more in the flying saucer category.

No Wayne doesn't believe in the AGW hoax but he does believe in the chemtrail conspiracy coverup. From your link.

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The big environmental NGOs such as Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth or WWF do not try to glamorise or otherwise promote geoengineering. They simply act as if it is not occurring. Their silence, to look at its positive aspect, possibly reflects a refusal to be associated with the task of making geoengineering look respectable.

The ‘invisibility’ of geoengineering is perpetuated through official denial. The US Air Force, whose KC-135R and KC-10 tanker planes have become a familiar sight in many different parts of the world as they engage in the daily particulate scattering operations of the ‘sunscreen’ programme, on its official site describes eyewitness accounts of these operations as ‘a hoax that has been around since 1996.’ ‘The Air Force’, it says ‘is not conducting any weather modification experiments or programs and has no plans to do so in the future.’ The ‘hoax’ accusation is energetically echoed by the seemingly large numbers of ‘debunkers’ frequenting chemtrail/geoengineering discussion forums, generating considerable confusion, as well as resentment at their characterisation as ‘chemmies’ (a variant on ‘commies’) those who wish to draw attention to the mysterious lines in the sky. Moreover, all elected politicians in the world above the municipal level, if they have heard at all of geoengineering, believe, or profess to believe, the official story that the sunscreen climate mitigation programme is ‘a hoax’.

The commondreams link is a good piece which has nothing to do with the chemtrail coverup conspiracy I was referring to. It is this kind of thing that moves the discussion along, not chemtrail conspiracy diversions, which seem to be more in the flying saucer category.

Johnny was speaking of my dislike of the Chemtrail conspiracy theory, that Johnny has embraced eventhough the math does not come close to supporting it.

_________________With friends like Guido, you will not have enemies for long.

“Intellect is invisible to the man who has none” Arthur Schopenhauer

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."Albert Einstein

I think the math does support it, and supports the fact that, except in the areas covered, it is not working. The web site has a lot to debunk the deniers of geo-engineering happening or the various experiments with it. 1)It is just another way to try to keep "business as usual going". Seeing it only works in the areas sprayed for only a certain period of time, and has side effects, along with great expense, it is a thoroughly impractical solution to AGW.(because it is accelerating. thus the SKS and CD links).2)The real solution is to decrease HGHG emissions enough to keep from crossing completely, irreversible tipping points that let the thermal max process happen with nothing that can be done after that to stop it.3)It is far too much to adapt to in the time frame it will happen. Plus for the length of time the biosphere is malevolent for most life. With the effects of a 1.5*C warming known to be bad enough, .8*C existent and another .8*C expected in "momentum", some think it is impossible to prevent AETM and its finish of the Sixth Great Extinction. Industrial Society itself has a type of momentum of resistance to change fast enough. The effects on the biosphere will make it so even hunter gatherer or remote/ underground agrarian societies can not survive the recovery length of time. 4)Will a generational spaceship large enough make it to a suitable planet to survive on? No one on Earth will know, because there will be no one.(unless #2 is done in 11 years max--see my other posts on that).

_________________"With every decision, think seven generations ahead of the consequences of your actions" Ute rule of life.“We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children”― Chief Seattle“Those Who Have the Privilege to Know Have the Duty to Act”…Albert Einstein

I think the math does support it, and supports the fact that, except in the areas covered, it is not working.

It would not work if it does not exist. Try explaining the math of how much material would have to be on each plane in order to have any effect and then where all of that weight is supposed to be contained in the commercial planes or in the case of the Air Force tankers being the prime cause, where all of the extra planes have been built and hidden.

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The web site has a lot to debunk the deniers of geo-engineering happening or the various experiments with it.

No, it doesn't. It throws out the multiple lines the climate change conspiracy theorists do, which do not track just as the math does not track with this conspiracy theory.

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1)It is just another way to try to keep "business as usual going". Seeing it only works in the areas sprayed for only a certain period of time, and has side effects, along with great expense, it is a thoroughly impractical solution to AGW.(because it is accelerating. thus the SKS and CD links).

Yet, it is supposedly continuing after decades of the same failure? The coverup is so effective that no level of people involved have ever stepped up to say this waste of money is happening?

_________________With friends like Guido, you will not have enemies for long.

“Intellect is invisible to the man who has none” Arthur Schopenhauer

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."Albert Einstein

The most dangerous and destructive industry in this world is Education Industry.

Education Industry is the source of all Industrial Activity that has destroyed environment....All other industries are by products of Education Industry.

Universities and Colleges are producing millions of Scientists, Engineers, Economists, MBA's, Business and Finance Graduates who are running and promoting all Industrial Activity in this world.

Education Industry is the Mother of all Industries.

Education Industry is the Mother of all Environmental Destruction.

All Industrial Activity that is destroying environment is being run by Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education.

Education has destroyed environment.

School and University Education has destroyed environment.

Educated People are the biggest Eco Killers, Eco Murderers and Eco Terrorists.

Schools and Universities must be closed down.....Immediately!!!

Billions of animals are being slaughtered in Industrial Slaughter Houses every day because of Education.....Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education is responsible for Industrial Farming of animals, Industrial Slaughter Houses, Refrigeration/ Transportation Industry which transports live and dead animals all over the world and Marketing Industry which sells meat.

Billions of fish are being killed by Industrial Fishing every day because of Education.....Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education is responsible for Industrial Ships which catch fish, Refrigeration/ Transportation Industry which transports fish all over the world and Marketing Industry which sells fish.

Millions of acres of Forests are being destroyed by Industrial Activity every day because of Education.....Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education is responsible for Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Energy Generation Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Marketing Industry, Construction Industry, Transportation Industry, Oil Drilling and Refining Industry, Millions of kilometers of Rail and Road networks which are destroying forests moment by moment.

Millions of wild animals in forests are being killed by Industrial Activity every day because of Education....Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education is responsible for the decimation of wild animals.

Millions of tonnes of Solid, Liquid and Gaseous Industrial Waste is being added to environment every day because of Education.....Millions of tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical waste, Gaseous Waste and eWaste are being added to environment every day because of Education.....Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education is responsible for the poisoning of Rivers, Oceans, Land and Sky/ Atmosphere.

Millions of acres of Fertile Soil is being killed by Cement, Concrete and Asphalt every day because of Education....Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education is responsible for destruction of fertile soil by Construction Industry.

Education is responsible for millions of tonnes of Nuclear Waste produced by Nuclear Industry which will keep contaminating the planet with hazardous radioactivity for the next thousands of years.....This radioactivity will remain a potential source of cancer, death, multiple organ failures, physical and mental deformities for thousands of years....Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education is responsible for Radioactivity produced by Nuclear Industry.

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Cities are the Graveyards of Nature, Urban Dwellers the Executioners.

Environment has been destroyed by Urban Population, Urban Work and Urban Education.

All Industrial Activity that is destroying environment is being run by Urban Population and Urban Education.

The work of Urban Industrial Society is Extra, Unnecessary and Destructive.

Urban Work has destroyed environment.....Urban Work must stop immediately.

Production of Industrial Consumer Goods must stop immediately.

If Urban Society stops its supplies to Rural Society it will live forever.

If Rural Society stops its supplies to Urban Society it will die within a month.

That is the worth of Urban Work in this world.

Environment has been destroyed by Urban Population, Urban Work and Urban Education.

All Industrial Activity that is destroying environment is being run by Urban Population and Urban Education.

If Urban Society stops all its supplies to Villages......electricity, oil, machinery, equipment and consumer goods, Villagers will survive forever.

If Villages stop all their supplies to Cities......Food Grains and Vegetables, Urban Population will die within a month.

[ Villagers need Electricity, Oil, Machinery and Equipment to produce food for the Urban Population , They would not need these things to produce food for themselves]

Industrial Activity for production of thousands of consumer goods and services must stop immediately....Millions of other species get only food from earth....The maximum that man can/ should get is food, clothing and shelter.

This planet can only sustain "Food Searching" or "Food Producing" societies....For millions of years "searching for food"/ "producing food" was the primary occupation on earth.

The whole society needs to be reorganized...Urban Dwellers have to be relocated in Rural Areas....Urban Dwellers have to either transform into full time food producers or they have to stop working in order to save the remaining environment from destructive Urban Work....They can be given food for free in order to save the remaining environment from destructive Urban Work.

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Billions of animals are being slaughtered in Industrial Slaughter Houses every day.....Billions of fish are being killed by Industrial Fishing every day....Millions of acres of Forests are being destroyed by Industrial Activity every day....Millions of wild animals in forests are being killed by Industrial Activity every day.....Millions of tonnes of Solid, Liquid and Gaseous Industrial Waste is being added to environment every day....Millions of tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical waste, Gaseous Waste and eWaste are being added to environment every day.... Millions of acres of Fertile Soil is being killed by Cement, Concrete and Asphalt every day....Nuclear Industry has produced thousands of tonnes of Nuclear Waste which will keep contaminating the planet with hazardous radioactivity for the next thousands of years.

Celebrate!!!....Celebrate!!!....Celebrate!!!

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Industrial Society is a lunatic society where people are buying Health Insurance after destroying Bio Diversity and Ecosystems without which they will not even exist...

Rivers, Lakes, Oceans, Atmosphere and Land have been polluted, poisoned and killed by billions of tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical Waste, Gaseous waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste.....The entire planet has become a Toxic Dump.....All Solid, Liquid and Gaseous Industrial Waste that has been produced by Industrial Society in 250 years after Industrial Revolution has accumulated on earth....It has not gone out of earth.

Oceans have turned acidic and warmer .....There are oxygen deprived dead zones in the oceans....Fish in the oceans have been decimated by Industrial Fishing.

Billions of acres of fertile soil that was the source of food to millions of species has been killed by Cement, Concrete and Asphalt.

Industrial Society is a curse on this planet.

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Stop Education.....Close Down Universities.

Stop Urban Work.....Close Down the Cities.

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Cities are the Graveyards of Nature, Urban Dwellers the Executioners.

Environment has been destroyed by Urban Population, Urban Work and Urban Education.

All Industrial Activity that is destroying environment is being run by Urban Population and Urban Education.

The work of Urban Industrial Society is Extra, Unnecessary and Destructive.

Urban Work has destroyed environment.....Urban Work must stop immediately.

Production of Industrial Consumer Goods must stop immediately.

If Urban Society stops its supplies to Rural Society it will live forever.

If Rural Society stops its supplies to Urban Society it will die within a month.

That is the worth of Urban Work in this world.

Industrial Activity for production of thousands of consumer goods and services must stop immediately....Millions of other species get only food from earth....The maximum that man can/ should get is food, clothing and shelter.

This planet can only sustain "Food Searching" or "Food Producing" societies....For millions of years "searching for food"/ "producing food" was the primary occupation on earth.

The whole society needs to be reorganized...Urban Dwellers have to be relocated in Rural Areas....Urban Dwellers have to either transform into full time food producers or they have to stop working in order to save the remaining environment from destructive Urban Work....They can be given food for free in order to save the remaining environment from destructive Urban Work.

It might be useful to determine where you cut off the line between city and town. Concentrated groups of people do supply the diversity to make life interesting, not to mention rural market places and the materials and skill sets and means to develop many of the implements of rural life. Quality ploughs, carriages, and say barbed wire are hard to create out in the sticks.

There are 500 world agglomerations of one million or more people. Target them all with 1/2 to 5 MGT bombs, some with geometric blast patterns of several but keeping under planetary radiation limits. All at once to go over nuclear winter aerosols limit, with the object of reducing population and fossil fuel emissions by over half. 7.2 billion to less than 3 billion in two years would be good. Not as bad as the crash(in totality) and hopefully enough to stop thermageddon, by changing to green lifestyles(reducing to one billion Green living people for sustainability at a moderate standard of living)."Atoms for the Future"

(there was some writing on all the country people/farmers to stop shipments of food and supplies to big cities, and starve them out or have lack of water do the same effect)

_________________"With every decision, think seven generations ahead of the consequences of your actions" Ute rule of life.“We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children”― Chief Seattle“Those Who Have the Privilege to Know Have the Duty to Act”…Albert Einstein