Thursday, January 04, 2007

I'm still waiting on someone to pop in and agree to talk on camera. No manipulation. I don't manipulate.

Excuse me, Jeff, while I laugh my ass off. Maybe I should say it in bitchy queen, a language I'm sure you're more accustomed to.

I have a few questions of my own for you. You said:

The story with Josh is Josh talking. There were a lot of people in the room including his family. Nothing was manipulated.

Why did you use only a minute of Josh's 45 minute interview?

Why were so many of his words muted even while on camera?

Why was he smiling and laughing while he was saying the things that your broadcast interpreted as angry?

Why were there no on-camera questions interspersed with the so called answers?

Why did you manipulate this non event into such a circus?

According to TMZ, Josh said:

Well, I was on the news Fri. before the concert and Fox 8 was expecting me to be on stage Sat., and I wasn't!!! So they called me Wed. @ 9:27 AM and asked me what happened!!! And all i did was answer honestly!!! It is not my fault that not everything of my 45 min. interview was put on the news!!! So all you people saw was what was against Clay!!!

Why did you use a 15 year old child to further your own agenda?

Jeff continues:

If Clay doesn't return calls, according to some responses here, I'm supposed to let it go and not report it? If a murderer commits his crime, but refuses to talk to me about it, am I supposed to drop it? No.

Why would you be so arrogant as to think that Clay would talk to you? You're just another annoyance. Same shit, different day.

Why do you think a reality show loser, like yourself, who couldn't hang on to his 15 minutes, would cause even a moment's pause in the life of a successful star?

Why do you quote an esteemed journalist in your website bio when you don't have any intention of honoring his sage advice?

The search for truth requires a bit of actual work on your part, Jeff. Soliciting comments from anonymous posters in your comments section and inviting e-mails from any Tom, Dick or Mary doesn't qualify. I could write all kinds of convincing e-mails that spoon feeds you what you want to hear. I could use any one of a dozen e-mail addresses and aliases to play any role I wanted including contradicting my own statements to create a lively debate and fill your inbox with an avalanche of everything from over the top religious ranting to earnest confessions of adoration to vicious but well-crafted rumors.

Why didn't you simply contact the symphony and the promoters to get the real story? Isn't that what a real journalist would do? Too bad your education is in internet marketing instead of journalism. Did you lie on your resume, Jeff, or did Fox8 hire you because a Survivor contestant is all they could afford?

But the point people are trying to argue that I only reported one side without doing my legwork is not accurate. I would never have allowed Josh on air without knowing a lot more about the situation than was reported.

Oh yes you only reported part of the story. You reported that Clay performed the longest set of all of the concert series in Greensboro. That isn't true. His set list is exactly the same throughout the series. I notice you didn't research that claim, nor did you correct it because telling the truth was never your goal.

You see, the truth is clear and your agenda is clear. You are just another gay gossip blogger and just like all of the other militant gays, you resent Clay's success, you resent his popularity and it roasts your ass that he has legions of adoring fans.

I really want Clay fans to talk on camera about why they love Clay and take up for him. If he won't talk to me, you're the next best thing, don't you think?

The fans aren't going to talk to you because you're just another nobody with a blog. The haters love to swarm the comments section of bloggers that show their fangs and attack Clay Aiken. They used you, buddy, and you bought the whole enchilada. You aren't anything new that we haven't seen before and many of the others are much less transparent in their manipulation. You erased any comments that didn't agree with your goal to trash Clay Aiken. If we ignore every other thing you did and only consider the act of deleting the comments that set the record straight and are in support of Clay, your integrity is still shot.

There has been a firestorm of Clay support here. I find it interesting not one of these people will agree to support their idol without their mask of anonymity.

You're not that bright, are ya? What part of anonymous comments don't you understand? What makes you think the comments are from real claymates? Get a clue. You've been played. You are a gossipmonger and will never be a legitimate journalist. You are only a minor irritant. The tribe has spoken. Goodbye.

252 comments:

Chexxxy, many thanks for spelling out for Jeff how the con man has been conned. I am a bit surprised that he was so easily suckered by all those "fans" (right). I've found that no-talent people like Jeff usually have highly developed survival skills (no reference to the show intended), making it possible for them to compensate short term for the substance they lack. I would think that Jeff would be on guard against being conned himself. But then, he did paint himself into a tight corner with all of his biased "reporting" and blatant ill will towards Clay. The haters made it so convenient for Jeff to perpetuate his own lies and erase the truth.

Great work, Chexxxy. Did Jeff allow this to go through on his site? It certainly sets the record straight. I SO appreciate everything you're doing on Clay's behalf. It's criminal what these creeps have put him (and us) through. If not for the incredible efforts by fans like you, the haters might have succeeded in costing Clay his fanbase. Thank God that will never happen!

Masterful blog, Chexxxy. Everything you said is absolutely true. Varner's trying for the big scoop, but has no interest in reporting anything real -- just sensationalistic bullshit at the expense of a man who has more class in his thumbnail than this famewhore has in his entire body. And shame on him for trying to use a 15 year-old boy to grab for another 15 minutes of fame.

This blog tells the truth. What a novel concept. The person that used a fifteen year old is this cast-off survivor, not Claymates. You twisted this whole thing until it didn't even resemble what actually happened.Why would you attack somebody you don't even know? You weren't there. You just saw a little bandwagon and decided it was better than nothing and jumped on. If you hadn't blown it all out of proportion, you wouldn't, you know have, an actual story and nobody would remember your name. You should be ashamed.

"You see, the truth is clear and your agenda is clear. You are just another gay gossip blogger and just like all of the other militant gays, you resent Clay's success, you resent his popularity and it roasts your ass that he has legions of adoring fans."

Chexxxy, I knew that Jeff had a thinly veiled agenda. Thank you for clarifying which parasitic agenda it is.

Like most of Clay's fans, I support Clay with no thought or concern about his sexual orientation. That's his personal business.

Digression:Does anyone have a clue why gays are so obsessively homophobic about "outing" people they desperately want to be gay? I personally believe that sexual preference is assigned not chosen. I also believe that God loves all of us equally. I regret that our institutions (government, religious, etc.) are intolerant and make being gay so onerous. Are gays so cruel to people they want to be gay because misery loves company? Are gays just looking to increase their published numbers? What is driving this gays outing people cruelty?

The "outing" process for anyone gay or NOT gay is not so much about numbers, in my opinion. The militants scream for equal rights but somehow I feel they use it as an excuse; what they are into is abusing the Freedom of Speech right so they can control other peoples' lives and the entire entertainment industry. They have nothing valuable in their own lives so they have to make everyone else's miserable.

Sorry, that's the way I feel and people like PH, BM and this new idiot have caused me to change my direction to this way of feeling. Pitiful fools like Varner can't see that they are damaging public perception of THEM in their effort to discredit Clay through their agenda ridden lies.

Isn't it interesting that the only ones who benefit from Jeff's blog are Jeff and the Clay haters? The phrase "get a life" comes to mind. Jeff has been had big time. Clay's fans recognize the blog for what it is.

And Jeffie wants an interview with a fan? Hey, Jeff, we see how you have already spun what the 15-year-old said, and we're savvy enough to know we'd never be quoted accurately.

I was saddened when I saw the 15-year old's words (supposedly) published at one of the hate sites that is particularly pornographic. In the process of diminishing himself, the gossipmonger took the 15-year down with him. The gossipmonger is such a hypocrite, telling the fans that they are doing the boy harm, when, in fact, he sacrificed the kid in the pursuit of his own twisted agenda.

Since its founding, FOX "news," has been the brunt of jokes by the legitimate news media. Like its tabloid cousins, FOX is a bottom feeder. The gossipmonger may never rise above his current circumstances. His resume is already tainted. I doubt that any of the other networks or their affiliates will ever have an interest in him because of his FOX background.

I always say, "Never seek revenge. People who attempt to screw others will eventually screw themselves."

Great blog, Chexxxy. I really miss the old days when we had journalists. Mr. Varner, not only is a piss poor journalist, he is....well, a sorry excuse for a human being.

Rant over, I am totally baffled by this gay activist mafia group. What exactly are they trying to accomplish? I see their activities impeding the furtherment gay rights. I have always supported gay rights by voting and in total acceptance of my friends and family who are gay. But the last year has given me pause.

Jeffie, take a look in the mirror and tell me you really like what you see there. Is this what you wanted to be when you grew up??

If Varner is so interested in the truth, all he'd have to do is phone Lisa Crawford of the Greensboro Symphony to confirm her e-mail explaining how the events unfolded. He refuses to do that because the e-mail is legit, he knows it and it's all a nonstory. He's trying to turn a molehill into a mountain to extend his waning 15 minutes. Truth has nothing to do with advancing his career.

I'm so sick of these posers jumping on Clay's fame, talent and hard work to gain themselves mainstream attention. It's been going on for 3 years now, and he's just the 2007 version of scumbag. But the year is young; I'm sure there will be others.

His latest blog is laughable. Some of the buzz words he used are so obvious, the fandom can predict with 100% accuracy the names of the haters with whom he's been in collusion.

If Jeff really wanted to have a truthful, viable story, he could easily write about the haters who were so quick to jump on the bandwagon. But he opted to join them and parrot their ideology. In this case "media integrity" is definitely an oxymoron.

The things JV has said in his writings are not true. It's very simple that he cherry picked to make a story .Nothing new , just sad to try to profit from a guy that has done nothing to you. Jeff, you don't even know him. You just saw an opportunity to get some hits. Shame on you.

WOW great blog Chexxxy!! I agree Varner doesn't care about the TRUTH,he's only interested in hawking his transparent agenda and spreadinglies about Clay and us. No one shouldagree to be interviewed by him just ignore him in that regards.

Varner is just the latest in a long line of "media" people with an agenda. All that the media has succeeded in accomplishing with their tactics is to show the public just what liars and manipulators they are. They have turned their "profession" into a laughingstock.

Great blog, Chexxy! A 45 minute interview chopped up and edited to give one side, while the truth is ignored. so - which reality show "loser" is on minute 15 of his 15 minutes, and which one is headed for bigger and better things?

It always seems that another smear campaign begins just as another season of American Idol is around the corner. As you know, the AI contract gives the producers the right to smear any idol they so choose without any truth to it, and the idol must pay up to $5M as penalty if the idol challenges the claims. This smear campaign has been ongoing for 3 years and has been a steady drip, drip to create interest in the show's new season and to do harm to Clay's career and image by creating a public persona for him that has no basis in fact and is built on overused stereotypes.

2006 was a complete bombardment of trashy tabloid nonsense heaped on one pop singer because he refused to be shoved into the easy listening music box by his label. They couldn't find any dirt on him so they made it up as they went along. They would have you believe that Clay is a gay meanie diva who is not the person you think he is, who kicks kids and dogs and trolls the internet for sex. Give me a break! The guy isn't stupid and most who have worked with him always mention what a nice guy he is and a true professional. This has agenda written all over it.

Methinks that Varner was given a script to act out from the mothership in LA in exchange for a career boost. Just look at how a certain hated tabloid blogger has received mainstream acceptance this past year in exchange for his part in promoting this smear.

I have to agree with the above statement. It's the same script year after year, all designed to trash Clay to the point of separating him from his highly-coveted fanbase and bring them back to the AI fold, while devaluing Clay to the competition who would choose to make him an offer once his current RCA contract ends.

After the last couple of years, I doubt I will ever trust anyone from the media again. As a liberal, the gay mafia tactics have given me pause too about my inate beliefs. These are things I never questioned in the past but today find myself being influenced negatively by their mean-spirited actions and have to force myself back to my original values and beliefs. It is becoming harder to do that as the lies and manipulation continue. Leave Clay alone. Leave us alone.

I can't even imagine that any of this hype is good for 15-year-old Joshua. But, this type of journalist will go to any lengths and use anybody to get their name in the limelight all the while seemingly trying to "protect" the poor defenseless minor. Jeff Varner is just another one in a long list of opportunists.

Although I couldn't wade through over 500 comments on the Varner blog, I did read some of Jeffs comments. He claims to not know much about Clay or who John Paulus is. Disingenuous to say the least. Give me a break. He is from the same area in North Carolina and also a reality show survivor and media person. Tell me he doesn't know much about Clay Aiken. Bah. I would even go so far as to say I'll bet he was a regular contributor to some of those hate blogs this past year. He rings insincere to me. Take a look at the title of his blog if you don't believe me.

Anonymous said above..."I have to agree with the above statement. It's the same script year after year, all designed to trash Clay to the point of separating him from his highly-coveted fanbase and bring them back to the AI fold, while devaluing Clay to the competition who would choose to make him an offer once his current RCA contract ends."

Fortunately, many of Clay’s fans are adults who can’t be easily manipulated. Adults think for themselves, base their decisions on their own experiences, and focus longer term. No one is going to sucker an adult with critical thinking skills into believing tabloid trash. No critic, “expert,” or insider is going to make a thinking adult change his allegiance by simply declaring that someone or something is no longer “it.” An adult will go about his merry way doing what he wants to do regardless of pressure from so called experts. Adults know who they are and what they like. They also have money to spend as they please.

Maybe that is why the attacks against Clay have been so vicious and unrelenting. I’ve wondered if the owners of the hate blogs are on someone’s payroll because they seem to have nothing else to do but smear Clay 24/7. (If they are on the payrolls of legitimate companies, then U.S. productivity is really getting screwed!) His fan base is a thorn in the side of those who want to diminish Clay. The music industry is so used to herding around tweens and their parents. Suddenly, the industry is dealing with an adult fan base it can’t sway. Even attacking the fan base itself won’t make it go away. Clay’s fans refuse to not believe who and what they believe Clay is.

God and Clay willing, I plan to be a Clay fan for many, many years to come. No one is going to tell me what to do in that regard.

Great read, Chexxy. What a loser this guy is. Not only no survival skills, no writing skills either. It's HILARIOUS that he puts Dan Rather's quote up there -- he does the exact opposite! Just a pathetic nobody. It's funny, too, that he's frustrated that no one will talk to him. Can't seem to figure out no one gives a crap about him or what he thinks.

Great blog! I don't even know who to quote because virtually every comment has me nodding my head and going "yup!"

I really wish that some honest journalist (are there any of those left? I'm not so sure ..) would decide to investigate the deeper story being alluded to in many of these comments :

1. the disintegration of media integrity coupled with an increasing reliance of "bloggers" (ie, anyone with a computer and an agenda, facts be damned) to manipulate public perception and dictate the "news."

2. The ugly truth of how a radical fringe of the gay movement considers it their duty to "out" gays ... even those who are not ACTUALLY gay. If they've determined that someone is gay through their use of pajoritive sterotypes, then the only answer they will accept it "yes." Even if that person is straight--if they don't admit it, they are hounded and trashed continually. Do they not see that their tactics are working against all they want to achieve by turning off even those who were once supportive?

3. The dirty business and underhanded dealings and machinations of record companies and entertainment corporations, up to and including paying individuals to smear acts they wish to devalue. (Why some of those tactics are not prosecutable is beyond me)

4. How it is that slander, libel, hate speech, and the destruction of lives and careers are not only legally permissable, but those who do engage in that become the darlings of the mainstream media (PH for example)

Now covering any one of THOSE things would be a REAL story. Where is a Bob Woodward when you need him?

"Jeff Varner writesJan 5, 2007 | 5:15 PM Clay fans not spewing hate on this board email me daily. I've learned a lot about "the nation"--both good and bad. I've also received detailed lists of every person Clay's slept with, paid off, sang to, etc. Within one week, I have enough to write a book on the guy."

It appears Mr. JV has found what he thinks is a meal ticket. He has jumped full on the haters bandwagonwith all the usual suspects egging him on. YAWN. It really is quite telling. How did he get from the Josh story to Clay's sex life anyway? He could have stopped anytime he wanted to. He does not want to.

JV wrote:Within one week, I have enough to write a book on the guy."

A fiction book. Has he tried to verify one detail, or does he believe everything Anon. posts?

I find it extremely odd that out of all the reporters and journalists in that North Carolina area, we get another gay blogger fame ho. What's that all about? Even the arrogance is the same! Pretty soon he will be saying "SPOT ON!". Or, typing in ALL CAPS telling us that our reading COMPREHENSION is lacking.

yah, I read that blog... I see someone who seems to believe the crap because it's something seedy to tell. It's all crap and I'm willing to bet he does nothing to check into it's validty. the same ILK spewing lies about Clay has ifested another blog, same old thing.

Isn't it possible that The show was too long with the singers added and decisions needed to be made? and since the only rehearsal with Clay is that day, the decision would be last minute.( and it was the right one) as for Clay not interacting with Josh, Didn't anyone think that Clay himself said his anxieties happen in situations like that one. small rooms, strange people? Heck after the mic problems and having to cut kids from the show would put anyone in a bad enough mood to be stanoffish with people. It's a shame the situation happened but I just wanted to ask, what was the length of the show that night compared to others? and how long was it with 4 extra singers? that is most likely the answer to everything. (Of course since Clay is the only thing that has gotten hits and attention on that site JV feels the need for 2 more Blogs...comming soon. I would love to completely ignore them and leave him with nothing.)

Thanks, chexxxy for setting the record straight. I'm sick of death of the haters and agenda-ridden fameho's starting shit about Clay day in and day out. And they say WE need to get a life! Hell's bells, have they ever looked in a mirror? All we're trying to do is support and enjoy our entertainer. They're just a bunch of nosey parker busybody gossipmongers. Sucks to be them.

The haters are relentless aren't they, bringing up sex, lies and of course the "farce" that is Clay's charity( that's the topic of discussion on those blogs now). what motivates this crap I'm completely baffled by the HATE. truly baffled. I can see OTT fans but haters? actually that involved in perpetrating acts with such malicios intentions.

I went to a bar. I was talking to a guy and he said he couldn't stand Christina Aguilera and how she oversings and tries to sound like someone she is not. He went on about how when she attempts to hit a high falsetto, she always grabs her ears, as if she's trying to hear if her pitchy falsetto went through. We then got to talking about Whitney Houston. He said, I don't get what is so great about her voice. My parents are both music professors and agree with me. Especially when she shrills. We then got on the subject of American Idol. We talked about how Kelly Clarkson oversings and the fake belting is disterous and how she should stay away from singing Aretha and we talked about Katharine McPhee and her very thin, yet unemotional, unconnecting voice. We basically talked about everyone and then we finally got to Clay Aiken. He said he can sing. He said, he thinks that is what bothers people. He said, there is no way you can't deny that man can sing. I asked him who his favorite female voice was and he told me Aretha Franklin.

The point is, Clay Aiken can sing and is the best artist to come from American Idol. Case and point!

I have never been to a Clay Aiken concert (let alone am a member of any fan websites or groups) nor have ever met the man and I think he is easily one of the best singers to ever walk the face of this planet. I think he's in the same league as Roy Orbison, Freddie Mercury, Josh Groban, Michael Sweet, Englebert Humperdink, Bobby Hatfield, Andy Williams, and Andy Bell. In fact, I think his voice is so unique, you can't compare him to someone, but people can be compared to him. When Clay Aiken sings, you know he is singing. His voice is timeless, yet current.

Is Percocet and MSLCP both gay man? Are they a gay couple? I wonder who is the bottom. They must have a very sad sex life, they have to obsess about Clay Aiken and his fans. What a bunch of white trash pigs they are.

NO, he's got the "haters" singing his praises and sending him THE TRUTH bwah! it's claer that JV has a one sided view and several of his comments are leaning heavily to that. he's an idiot if he's at all concidering any of it as fact. Talk to the fans, those who refuse to post on those sites, he won't bother. skewed views are all he'll get

as to being liebelous, I'm sure he'll make sure to use the all important " ALLEGED" that gives them right to post whatever the hell they want. I will still be a Clay fan. No matter what. I have a mind of my own I'm pretty good a decerning truth from CRAP,

I'm a celebrity again . . . claymate411.blogspot.com (where they call me "celebitch") just banned me from posting because I was not only telling the truth, I was actually making some sense (God forbid those readers hear from a sane, normal person). They also assumed because I have you linked on my blog that I know you and we're friends (do I know you? Heaven only knows!). Personally, I thank God every day that Clay has brought so many wonderful women into my life and yes, I consider even the ones I haven't met yet friends!

Celebhith, don't let those ignorant people get you down. They are so cowardly, they can't even tell people who they really are. I am sure it's the regulars from the tinfoilhathouse clown. They are jokes.

Believe me when I tell you they don't get me down. What they are is laugable and I DO laugh at them.

What truly astounds me is that with all the crap I take on those hate boards, Clay gets that same stuff 100 times over and on a daily basis. True fame? Hell, I wouldn't have it if my life depended on it.

And how amazing it it that Clay, in the midst of all these "slings and arrows" is still able to maintain a positive and loving attitude. God, he's a far better man than I am woman! God bless him and all of us!

Celebhith, you bring up a very important, yet interesting point. Despite the adversity and critism Clay receives, he manages to make himself a better person. I don't understand what sort of cyberoptic mode, the nameless, faceless, baseless bullies they want to potray, but they look rather angry. Perhaps, you bring out their emotions and the only way they can get heard to any degree, is by an internet blog. One thing is for certain, while they are over obsessing (and whether that be a negative or positive way) about Clay, he is out making himself better, as well as, those he influences and the world, in general, a much better place.

Who is percocet? It's obvious it's someone who knows Clay's fans or at least knows the fans that read and lurk around. Is Percocet, Emach? Groucho is Ricky of Ricky.org. He is the Asian that blogs about the American Idol people. Groucho is not 50 some years old. Groucho is 22. Ricky admitted it was all a fake and a ploy. Do you think he's behind it all? This guy is nuts and obsessed.

Sorry I had to delete a few posts. Please don't mention that guy in the comments or they will be deleted.

celebhith, how awful for you to be targeted by those idiots. They're all the same people over and over. A handful of Kelly fans that can't get over Clay outshining Yelly. Too bad, so sad. These are losers with nothing else to do. Let em talk, nobody cares.

It's true that creeps like Jeff can't effect mature Clay fans. We're discerning enough to know Clay's character. What continues to upset me is the loss of the teenagers and twenty-somethings who would otherwise benefit from the joy of loving a positive role-model like Clay. But many of them are turned off by the garbage spewed by the haters, fame-whores, and Gay Mafia.

Is there any solution to this? Can we start a ground-swell of objection to LIES and DISTORTIONS on the internet? Would a petition with 1000's of signatures do any good? I want to DO SOMETHING!!!!

Don't fall into believing everything you hear just because the haters repeat it over and over. Look at the videos taken at the buses after concerts. There are lots and lots of young people at the concerts. If your home board has a lot of mature fans it is because people gravitate toward their own kind. There are so many MSN, Yahoo and alt.usergroups that are populated by people that don't belong to the messageboards. Add myspace, promosquad, MTV, VH1, Nexopia, LiveJournal, Xanga and many other sites that are popular that you may not know about them if you aren't part of that demographic. The haters want you to think that the Clayboard represents the entire Clay Nation. Not even close.

The KCE in particular only has one major board that does represent the online fanbase. It's made up of a group of older women that control the board and influence/force the young ones to like who they like and to hate who they hate. If they don't conform they are banned. I can attest to that. I was a fan once. The young ones don't have any option other than the KC fanclub board and it's all the same people. What limits them is that they think that the ClayNation is just like them but they are so wrong. The majority of the Clay fandom is not even on the internet.

That is true about Kelly's fans who control KCE. They are all older from late 30s to late 50s. I was a fan once too. The hate, lies and dirty tricks against other fandoms drove me away. I have not been there for several months but hear through the grapvine that they are still the same. And I read their posts at TWOP and Pulse. Their leaders are the main hater posters on various sites. Heh, they accuse others of not having lives.

Best comment on JV blog - had to share in case any of you aren't reading over there. She's got this one absolutely correct! This was in response to one of those "all knowing, all wise, I've-got-a-secret" insiders we all know about.

autismmomJan 6, 2007 | 3:19 PM

I was wondering how long it was going to take one of the many blogging insiders to find this discussion about Clay. The party wouldn't be complete without your super duper, top secret, behind the scenes gossip about Clay. ROFL

Blogger, check.Angelwingers, check.Haters, check."Insiders", check.

Now that all of the usual suspects are here, let the madness commence as it does on every other blog that exists about Clay.

Groucho is over at JV's pretending to be an insider again. He said that Clay is worse than Michael Jackson and R. Kelly. Of course, groucho knows that everyone in the universe HATES Clay. If JV believes a word out of that lunatic's mouth, he's a fool. Wait, what am I saying?

If you don't like what is going on with the internet, write members of the Supreme Court and your representatives in Congress. I'm already complaining about the internet to them. Shouldn't celebrities have equal rights under the laws. Shouldn't there be more criminal laws for what people post on the internet. Bloggers/professional gossips should not get away with using "alleged" or by saying "it was posted there first so it's not my fault it was a lie".

We can change things in this wild, wild west of the internet. How about this. Find the addresses for the Supreme Court and for your representatives in Congress. Buy envelopes and paper. Address the envelopes. Hand them out with paper and pens to your friends and family members. Offer to mail the letters if they write them. Collectively we can make a difference.

It looks like emach and the other psychos of claymate 411 have banded together with the KCE'ers at JV's blog to spread the Clay hate. They are just so predictable.

They've been spreading wild accusations about Clay all over the internet for 3 years now and last year both boards banded together to try to destroy Clay's career. Some of them should be arrested for criminal mischief at the very least, while the rest should be hauled into court on libel, defamation and harassment charges. One of them, in particular, has been impersonating Clay on gay porn sites. He should be chained to a bed in the psychiatric ward of a prison hospital. He's been kicked off so many websites and just rejoins under another alias.

Talk about life's losers finding each other. All just to get noticed by Kelly C. and Ruben. In fact, I'm not even sure that emach and woodle follow Ruben anymore. They're so consumed with Clay hate, there might not be enough time to support their guy. As for the KCE'ers, they encourage the teens on their board to commit acts of vandalism by breaking Clay's CD's in stores so they can't be purchased. They call DJ's and other entertainment outlets and post on blogs pretending to be crazy Clay fans. Any Kelly fan who tries to show support for Clay on their board is automatically banned.

I think internet laws need to be enacted so that lunatics like these can be held criminally responsible for their actions, in this case, trying to destroy the life and career of someone who's done nothing but be more popular than their chosen idols.

Hope this isn't a double post. I lost one. If so, please delete this one.

Well, hail, hail, the gang's all there. We knew Groucho couldn't stay away. He simply must spew his lies about who he knows and how they all hate Clay. He really thinks he's getting to us. Have the guys in the white coats picked him up yet?

Regarding comments I have read above, if you want to know what's going on, join Chexxxy's Place. If you want to fight injustis in the media and online, click on my name and check out my site. I have quite a few helpful sites linked.

It's really too bad that Jeff thinks he is actually talking to people that are real fans. Can he spell DEL.USIO.NAL? I'd hate to have him really be an investigative reporter since he does NOT check his facts or all.

But the best thing yet is, he thinks he's really talking to someone that "works with everyone in the industry" which we all know is Rick Campbell - BWAH!!! That man doesn't even have a job, let alone work in the industry.

Oh well, they are made for one another. Jeff, who is clinging to his last 15-minutes, and Rick Campbell, who we all know just doesn't have a life.

The tribe has definitely spoken. As a matter of fact, this is the 2nd time the tribe has spoken "GOOD-BYE" to Jeff. ;)

I find it extremely odd that out of all the reporters and journalists in that North Carolina area, we get another gay blogger fame ho. What's that all about? Even the arrogance is the same! Pretty soon he will be saying "SPOT ON!". Or, typing in ALL CAPS telling us that our reading COMPREHENSION is lacking.

Jeff asked for fans to show up on camera or something like that. I think he needs to take that a step further - ask the haters to go on camera and say the things that mpslc just said on Jeff's blog. Challenge.

Someday a real journalist will write about the haters and tell the truth about how they operate. That would take some integrity but I hang on to the hope that one day there will be a reporter with ethics that steps up.

Chexxxy said... Someday a real journalist will write about the haters and tell the truth about how they operate. That would take some integrity but I hang on to the hope that one day there will be a reporter with ethics that steps up.

I think it will be sooner than later. I cannot believe the Execs at that Fox station condone JV's blog. Unreal.

So, now I hear that the real "insider" is posting on the varmints blog. Everyone on the internet knows that the "Groucho" can be anybody he wants to be. He has so many identities. He even pretended to be a 15 year old girl on IDF.

What is on TMZ with links to all the gay bloggers? Doesn't Harvey Levin own TMZ? Unlike JV, he actually is an investigative reporter and a lawyer and would probably do this story justice if he knew the facts and not the crap being spewed by the haters.

So Varner's blogs will culminate with one scheduled for March. Is that perchance when Clay's contract is up with RCA?

Does anybody think that this JV character is anything other than an opportunist looking to parlay his part in this smear into a career? No integrity whatsoever. If he had any talent at all, he wouldn't behave like such a bottomfeeder. But he's hanging with the right crowd on his blog, bottomfeeders all. When he finds out who they really are, his legitimacy as a journalist will be over. That's if he had any to begin with.

Chexxxxy, this is an amazing Blog. I admire you for challenging these haters so diplomatically. You just piece by piece prove them for the liars they are. It's amazing, before this event, I had no clue who JV was. Why does a nobody get to become a somebody, even an A$$hole, by trying to trash an extremely well known celebrity, just because he can?

I'm not sure JV is as gullible as some have mentioned. He maybe trying to post like he's innocent to all this, but you can be damn sure that he somehow figured out that recently, if you bash Clay Aiken you will become famous. He obviously needs a boost since he's done nothing since getting voted off his little show and its a dirty business, and they'll do whatever they have to to get noticed. He knows very well that its haters writing to him about Clay and not so call Clay fans that have been disillusioned by Clay and no longer like him. That's a bunch of crap!

We could probably name all the haters posting on his blog. Their MO is so transparent and they've been at the same game for almost 4 years.

JV wants everybody to think he's some hot shot reporter in search of the truth about Clay and his fans. He's either grasping at straws to extend his waning 15 minutes (I guess life is boring in Greensboro) or he's been promised a career boost to keep the smear alive, at least until Clay is free from RCA.

RCA won't do a think about it, but Clay's next label will. That's why these asswipes have to pull out all stops now. JV never made it to the finals of Survivor; now he sees this as his ticket to the big time. Pathetic creep.

Yep 10:26 - and I found it rather interesting that no sooner does JP close up shop and JV opens up shop. Any old excuse will do. There is nothing in his comments that leads me to believe he is objective. He is definitely siding with the haters. They wasted no time in aligning with the newest gay blogger.

Varner claims the GSO is a bogus list. The only way I would believe that is if the director of GSO stated it herself/himself. He had better watch himself - he is held to higher standard than the usual hater blogger. While he is anxious to roast the fans, he had better do equal time to the haters.

I'm sorry, I'm not following you. "The GSO is a bogus list." What does that mean?

I do know that JV was unwilling to call Lisa Crawford as to the legitimacy of her e-mail. That alone should tell everyone that he isn't a journalist in search of the truth. He knows the e-mail is legit. He was just grasping at straws while he groped around looking for an angle to keep this going. His attempt at sincerity and integrity while exploring the depths of the fans' collective psyche is a joke. That's just so yesterday.

I think you're all nuts. Which hater is posting now? The KCE psychos or the ones from SS? Or maybe it's just someone with a tiny dick?

As far as being a diva, I've seen more diva behavior out of Kelly right on stage during a performance. If she took a crap on the stage, you'd all be oohing about how cute and natural she looked while doing it. Racing up with your little doggie bags for a souvenir. Who the hell are you kidding? She doesn't give a damn about any one of you and some of you are on her security list as well as on Clay's.

Besides, why is anyone's sexuality anybody's business? Have we made no progress as a society at all? For every step forward, it seems like it's two steps backward. It isn't a crime to be gay, and many people in the entertainment industry can be divas? You're fishing without bait. He didn't rob a bank or commit murder. You're all so obsessed with someone you hate, how sick and pathetic a bunch are you? Totally psychotic!

These are racketeering tactics and if you think you're all flying under the radar, think again.

If Varner needs anyone to go on camera, I'm sure there are plenty of haters willing to do so for their own 15 minutes. That I'd love to see. He's just looking for a way to propel himself mainstream, latching onto Clay's popularity to do so. I'm so impressed. NOT.

Ah, yes, the crazy Clay fans. Are you referring to the KCE and SS fans who impersonate the Clay fans and call the DJ's, entertainment shows and e-mail everyone under the sun pretending to be crazy Clay fans and disgruntled ex-fans? That bunch of crazy Clay fans? Pot meet kettle! You're so far gone you don't even realize it. It must suck to be some of you.

What moronic bunch spends their days thinking it's their duty to warn DJ's and other entertainment media about Clay's fans? Are you lunatics with no life? You do the dirty deed and then blame the Clay fans? There's plenty of screencaps over the years indicating EXACTLY who is behind the e-mails. Some DJ's and others who received those e-mails have saved them and passed them on, thinking they were way over the top to the point of alarming. Those e-mails have been passed along to the lawyers and proper law enforcement authorities.

His fan base is so HUGE, do you realize the damage they could do if they went after your idol the way you've gone after him? Why is it that they haven't? Please don't say it's because your idol is honest and sincere, and there's nothing to complain about. If Clay's fans were so crazy, why wouldn't they go after your idol? Where's the pattern here? The only ones acting true to form are the whackadoos from KCE and a few SS'ers. Stop being disingenuous. You're all sociopathic and the ones of you who continue down this path of destruction are going to find yourselves in a heap of trouble. That's a fact.

Fans support their idol. Go support yours. Maybe they'd be more popular if you spent less of your time trying to ruin Clay's career and more of your time behaving in a proactive manner towards your own idol. Get a life, a clue and therapy. Lots of it. Some of you are really mentally unbalanced.

It is bogus. Why don't you go on camera with Jeff and he can have the director on too and it can be explained to your face for al the claymates to see. Would that help?

12:23 AM

Did Varner say it was bogus? Last I heard he said to show him the letterhead. Isn't e-mail considered a legitimate form of mail? I surely think so.

Did he call Lisa Crawford yet, or is he still stalling? Naw, he's changed the subject from Clay to the wacky fans and it looks like he's got his own little fan club now. Just what every fameho wants, his own fan club of sheeple. Have you drunk the kool-aid yet?

He's just there biding his time letting you do the dirty work for him. He doesn't need to do a thing, just say a few words, get the idea out there and you all follow like sheep. True to form. So predictable. Why don't some of you go on TV with him? We'd love to see that. Afraid of being identified? If you've got the truth on your side, you've got nothing to fear. Go ahead. Just remember, perjury is a criminal offense. But you wouldn't lie, now would you?

For gods sake, the promoter agreed to promote Triad idol and there was a miscommunication between the promoter and the symphony. How can you sell out because Clay's name is on the ticket and then expect him to only sing 4 songs when the audience expected a full set? What bozo made that decision? Many people came from all over the U.S., spent lots of money to get there and had no interest in hearing a high schooler perform. They came to hear Clay and he sang the same set he sang everywhere else. The media doesn't even hide their lies anymore.

There wasn't even a piano onstage when Jesse Vargas, Clay's conductor, came to rehearsal. Someone dropped the ball and won't admit it and now an opportunist is trying to grab the gold ring before his 15 minutes expire.

This has been a non-issue from the get-go. Joshua was seen that night by many people in the audience, laughing at the jokes and smiling as he went back and forth between backstage and his 10th row seat. He asked to meet Clay and get a photo with him and he got it. He even told one of Clay's relatives to thank Clay and that he hoped to meet him again one day. This asshat so-called reporter led him on and that piece was edited to give a negative impression. That kid was used and manipulated in a desperate attempt to create a scandal where there was none.

Anonymous said... Chexxxy said... Someday a real journalist will write about the haters and tell the truth about how they operate. That would take some integrity but I hang on to the hope that one day there will be a reporter with ethics that steps up.

I think it will be sooner than later. I cannot believe the Execs at that Fox station condone JV's blog. Unreal.

6:31 PM

Fox 8 is probably encouraging JV as they're last in the ratings. Or else JV got his orders from the network to smear Clay while he was still under RCA's control. FOX is a co-owner of AI. Either way, JV gets his name out there.

Don't any of you EVER delude yourselves into thinking JV's an investigative reporter. He's just a garden variety snake in the grass looking to climb all over a star's talent and hard work to achieve some celebrity of his own.

There's a HUGE story here...How the Record Industry Eats Its Own. However, it's going to take someone with talent and integrity to tell it. I don't think this Verner guy, whatever the hell his name is, is the one to tell it.

He's looking for the easy way out. Typical of an increasingly tabloidish media. Doesn't stand on principle because he doesn't have any to stand on.

Varner used to be an internet project manager. He is part of the smear campaign. He's the 2007 model, supposedly the new and improved version. He has better access to mainstream media than last year's recruit.

I have a question: How many of the haters are spontaneous and how many were "created" through viral marketing? Perhaps I should ask Terry Goldman that question?

AI created a stereotypical caricature and turned him into a pariah. All because Clay was more popular than the winners and didn't want to be the next Manilow, you know, 80's easy-listening. AI Clay and the real Clay are two totally different people. I'm inclined to think AI has been behind this smear since the beginning.

From what I've read without going to jv's blog, he is not an investigative reporter. For all we know he may have been involved all along and is acting like all of this is new to him. There is a real story yet to be written about the haters impersonating both Clay and the fans on the internet and how far they went in their madness to contact djs and "other persons of importance".

Don't laugh. I always thought there was the potential for a pulitzer prize if the real story was written but not just about Clay and us. My guess is that fan wars between other groups escalated to this point too. It is frightening because of how much they have gotten away with over the years and the time they spend doing this. It is bizarre that they would go after an entertainer to this extent when there is so much need to help others in this world.

So has jv responded to the challenge by producing his insiders on camera to identify themselves and to confirm what they are saying? since we know who they are already, they can't use the excuse that they are afraid to appear on camera.

OK. Everyone go back to the front page and reread the so called 15 year old's statement. Who else gives an account of crap down to the an oddball minute? Chances are more likely that the post was NOT made by Joshua... but I have a pretty good idea who did make it.

I hope no Clay fans are going over to the JV blog site. Sounds like the usual internet vultures have swooped in and are spreading their crap. How ridiculous that these internet trolls have continued this for over 3 years. Do these people have lives? There's no debating or reasoning with the INSANE and now it looks like what was thought to be a responsibe Fox reporter has joined the Club.

What is it about our society that inspires people to hurt, degrade and belittle someone else who has done nothing to deserve it except to become a celebrity? Is this world THAT full of people who want to make money or gain fame from others? The answer is yes. They justify it with excuses about free speech. Telling lies is not a matter of free speech. It is criminal.

You might want to consider the reason you haven't heard from Clay's fans to appear on camera with you is because you are hearing from those posing as fans are actually enemies? Our faces and interviews have been all over the internet and have even been interviewed on television. We are proud of our fandom and place in it. I have yet to see a proud hater be so bold. Perhaps it is time they step out and be seen. How about it, Jeff?

Oh, and as for your free speech comment. It seems people have been free to say what they want - but don't expect lies to go unchallenged.

Eighth: Under no circumstances admit you were wrong or that your butt comprises your two independent sources. When someone comes at you with the real facts, call them names. Impugn their patriotism. Imply that they’re mentally ill. Divert all attention from your story. Make them the story. Make yourself the story. Do anything to avoid the truth.

Shouldn't celebrities have equal rights under the laws. Shouldn't there be more criminal laws for what people post on the internet.

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They do. It's called libel, slander, and defamation laws. Anyone (celebrity or not) can avail themselves of the legal system to address these things. The caveat being that if the things said are true, you can not prevail.

For four years fans have willingly shared their pictures and stories within the fandom. They have been shown on television audiences and some singled out for interviews. They stand up at gatherings to speak. They come up on stage to dance. There is no shame in their fandom.

What I have never seen is an anti-Clay fan (with one exception and you know who he is) be willing to share their pictures or stories publicly Why is that? It's high time they come forward.

To 11:45 Am. You forget that "the Supreme Court has granted limited First Admendment protection to defmation for public officials and public figures". This came directly from my representative in congress who responded to my complaint about the treatment of celebrities. That is what we need to fight. They should have full protection.

regarding clay's web cam shots, i have no opinion or comment. if anyone gets their jollies finding love or sex online, it's their business, not mine. but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know...if a celebrity gets caught in one of those unfortunate webcam situations, they more than likely won't admit it. don't you agree?

--------Jeff - Before you embarrass yourself further, perhaps you need to do some research. Clay denied it. I'll let your own investigative research acumen find it.

I'm no attorney or photo expert, but I could prove to a judge or jury that those webcam shots were not Clay. They don't even look like him. Doesn't JV have a degree or work in Graphic Arts? He already knows the photos are fake.

I just read, and not at his site, that they are thrilled with the number of hits they are getting. Hopefully, none of Clay's fans are feeding their egos.

And as for slander, I have not seen anyone slandering him, but if they were, guess he, as a public figure, might start to figure out the tiniest fraction of the feelings that Clay might have about trying to end it. Unlike Clay, I doubt that he would have the fortitude to remain sane through a campaign like the one waged against Clay. Fortunately, we know that Clay will keep on being Clay and in the end, have the last laugh. Lies can be told about someone all day, but at the end of the day, if they are not believed, then the only one hurt is the liar.

People who attempt to create truth from lies only prove how weak their own integity and ethics are.

JV and his ilk have no integrity, morals or ethics. If Mr. Varner were a real journalist he would know how pathetic his attempts are at making truth out of fiction.

It's a game and I choose not to play.

Posting on his blog is only inflating his already over inflated ego. His rhetorical questions are a set up to get the fans to respond.

DO NOT BE FOOLED.

He wants no intelligent discourse...he is thriving on the sick, depraved bullshit spewed by the likes of Percocet, et al.

I have too much integrity to lower myself to their level.

If you are arguing over there, remember the old saying about lying down with dogs. You will get up with fleas and will never EVER get them to change their minds. They are sick. Do not get suckered into their sickness.

They do. It's called libel, slander, and defamation laws. Anyone (celebrity or not) can avail themselves of the legal system to address these things. The caveat being that if the things said are true, you can not prevail.

11:43 AM

But don't you see, or maybe you do? That's the whole point. They WANT Clay to sue to make tabloid headlines and drag out fameho wannabe after wannabe to eat up Clay's fortune. Malice is difficult to prove and they know it. They don't care about the truth. They just want to separate Clay from his fans and his money by turning it into a media circus and dragging it out in court. The tabloid media would never print the truth anyway, even if Clay prevailed. Only the sordid accusations, which as the editor of the NE told 60 minutes, is usually made up by a staffer.

Don't delude yourself into thinking this has anything to do with the truth.

Clay was thoroughly investigated by the FBI and the Secret Service before receiving his presidential appointment. He was cleared, but several others weren't. He was also cleared by sources hired by Unicef. Again, he was cleared.

The impersonator(s) were traced. Law enforcement knows who they are. TRUST ME. They do.

You forget that "the Supreme Court has granted limited First Admendment protection to defmation for public officials and public figures".

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It does not take away their rights to pursue libel, slander or defamation recourses through the legal system.

The nature of being a public figure recognizes that details of figure's life is before the public. The court has only taken note of any natural limitation that would come with living one's life as a public figure (such as criticism or parody which may not even be a consideration as a private citizen).

You are wrong. The Secret Service has no responsibility and did no investigation whatsoever of Clay Aiken regarding his commitee appointment.

If any of these investigative agencies were aware of an "impersonator" as alleged, that would be identity fraud at minimum and their responsibility to prosecute.

2:02 PM

What's your argument? That the investigation proved Clay to be an internet sex troller, but he was appointed anyway? You're so quick to point fingers, and you want so badly for the accusations to be true, you don't even realize that your argument makes no sense whatsoever. I doubt you even care.

As I said, he was cleared. He was investigated more thoroughly because of the rumors so as not to embarrass the president if they were true. He was cleared. Others were not. I know it's not what you want to hear, but it's a fact.

There is no reason to prosecute now, because there is more than one player in this smear campaign.

I doubt very much that the "investigation" would have covered his sexual orientation if it hadn't been for the scumsucking asshole who created all the drama this past year.

I'm guessing that his sexual activites would have been of utmost concern to a conservative Republican President.

Don't pretend it wouldn't because you would only be lying to yourself. President Bush would NOT appoint someone to a presdential committee who was truly an internet trolling, drug using whore as you and your scumsucking bitches tried to prove.

If you are arguing over there, remember the old saying about lying down with dogs. You will get up with fleas and will never EVER get them to change their minds. They are sick. Do not get suckered into their sickness.

1:11 PM

^^^^^^^^^^^

The only ones arguing over there are the haters. Read the content of the posts and that is evident. But, JV believes them to be fans. There is no accounting for the ignorance that abounds. I hope Joshua and his family are taking notice and not get involved with this perverted so called journalist.

I want to see these haters post their pictures. I want to see them interviewed. Surely they are so proud of their quest for the past 4 years that they would want to let people know who they are in real life.

None of the haters would ever step out from behind their "cool medicine names". What a joke. Bunch of chicken shit bitches is all they are.

Jeff Varner doesn't want to talk to anyone...he just wants to spew the same stupid shit that has been spewed for the past year. The 411 crew think they have his ear and he isn't SMART ENOUGH to figure out how sick and pathetic they really are.

They are all in serious need of psychological help.

I feel sorry for their families and kids. Can you imagine a child living with a parent like that?

The poor child probably lives in fear that something they say will end up with them being slapped upside the head. I feel even sorrier for their husbands. Abusive much?

They are all freaks of nature who found each other through hate. How special.

Jeff Varner is as worthless as they are if he chooses to believe the shit they puke all over.

That the "investigation" did not cover Clay's sexual habits or preferences and is not concerned with that in any way.

Since you seem to know so much, perhaps you'd care to share who wasn't "cleared" while Clay was?

You are so wholly ignorant it really is laughable.

3:31 PM

BWAH! The president normally wouldn't be concerned with Clay's sexual habits but in light of the rumors, there sure as hell was an investigation. Your claim that he wouldn't be concerned with it just proves my point. It's called critical thinking skills. Get some.

Yeah, right, just like he posted on JP's blog. BULLSHIT. Clay wouldn't waste his time with these lowlife scums.

The dumbshits at 411 think it's cool that TC "supposedly" view their blog...right...cause TC is located in Raleigh, only NOT.

If they are viewing the blog it sure as shit isn't because they find it entertaining. Of course, the dumb bitches playing on that blog have no logical thinking skills to determine why they may REALLY be there.

Who's the clueless one at 3:31PM who thinks that President Bush wouldn't be concerned with trolling allegations? You don't get out much, do you? Hillbillies in Appalachia would know that it would be of concern to the President. I guess you just don't like the answer. Doesn't fit into the neat little scenario you've painted of Clay being a sex-starved internet trolling manwhore who's a gay, diva fraud asshole, now does it? It must really suck to be you. And stop playing with yourself!

How about you fill us in on all you know about how a person is accepted to be a presidential appointee since you are so wholly intelligent.

Come on, babe, tell us all you know.

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Why don't you do some research and ask the FBI or the White House what their background investigations consist of for this type of appointment with no access to sensitive or classified material in any manner?

The lowest level of background investigation the FBI conducts is what is known as an NACLC (National Agency Check with Local Agency Check and Credit Check), which can clear you for access to CONFIDENTIAL material, of which this committee and it's members do not even have access too (so the standard for any investigation would be even less).

That includes a summary check of your criminal history and credit history.

Executive Order 12968 and the investigative standards for such background investigations lays it out as such:

Credit search covering all residence, employment, and education locations during the last 7 years.

Law Checks covering all locations of residence, employment, and education during the last 5 years and to all locations of admitted arrest. If 35-day service is requested, all law checks will be scheduled by Record Search. If 75-day service is requested, law checks will be scheduled by a combination of inquiry and record coverage. (See Service Availability below for additional information about law checks).

Visitors to the White House complex are asked to provide their social security numbers beforehand so a simple "background check" can be conducted on them. This is one step below the type of checks done on appointees with no access to sensitive or classified materials.

In short, they are not concerned with his sexual habits or preferences in any way whatsoever.Even the credit checks (under federal law of what credit reporting can be used for) have drawn fire.

Oh bullshit You may fool your idiots on your joke of a blog but the rest of us aren't nearly as gullible.

That crap can be found anywhere.

You can NOT, with any confidence at all, say that President Bush or his people didn't look into the allegations being thrown at Clay. If you think otherwise, you are dumber than I first thought.

You and your co-horts made sure that the shit was sent to the committee ahead of his appointment so the "government" didn't need to really check, did they? Actually, sending that shit to them probably did get them to check and they found it was all lies, just as Mr. Aiken had indicated.

You are a joke.

I can't tell you all I know, either, you wouldn't have a clue how to comprehend my vast knowledge of this and other games you play.

Gee, it took you long enough to look up that info. Google is your friend.

You're going to have to do better than that.

The bottom line, President Bush would never put himself or his committee in any type of situation where they could be embarrassed. Since the fools who have been perpetuating these lies made sure the crap was sent their way, I highly doubt he would have ever gotten the appointment. Had President Bush not heard about these allegations and made the appointment, imagine what kind of uproar you would have caused.

You need catch a clue. You are looking like a complete idiot which really isn't that unusual, now that I think of it.

What a piece of garbage you are. I bet you take great pleasure in trying to ruin the life and career of a great singer and a decent human being. You must have no life at all and a whole lot of hostility in you to be this hateful.

I'll explain it to you once more. In light of the investigation that uncovered Bernie Kerick's maid to be an undocumented alien, and then the allegations of his secret affair that embarrassed the president and Mayor Guiliani, who nominated him, and in light of the fact that the allegations against Clay were very recent, a thorough vetting was done and he passed with flying colors, or not only would he not have received the appointment, he wouldn't have been nominated.

Get it now? Good. Now go help OJ find the real killers of Nicole and Ron. Last I heard he was hunting around another golf course somewhere. Better yet, go back to trolling the internet. You seem to have a lot of experience at it.

You can NOT, with any confidence at all, say that President Bush or his people didn't look into the allegations being thrown at Clay.

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I can tell you that definitively.

Executive Order 13087, amending Executive Order 11478, was signed on May 28, 1998, to provide a uniform policy for the federal government to prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation. Executive Order 11478 section 1 reads:

It is the policy of the government of the United States to provide equal opportunity in federal employment for all persons, to prohibit discrimination in employment because of race, color, religion, sex, national origin, handicap, age, or sexual orientation and to promote the full realization of equal employment opportunity through a continuing affirmative program in each executive department and agency. This policy of equal opportunity applies to and must be an integral part of every aspect of personnel policy and practice in the employment, development, advancement, and treatment of civilian employees of the federal government, to the extent permitted by law.

The appointment screening process does not and can not take into consideration a person's sexual habits or orientation. As Clay's appointment grants him no access to any clasified or sensitive matrial, it is not an issue for any type of screening (as it might be were he considered for a National Security position).

In light of the investigation that uncovered Bernie Kerick's maid to be an undocumented alien, and then the allegations of his secret affair that embarrassed the president and Mayor Guiliani, who nominated him, and in light of the fact that the allegations against Clay were very recent, a thorough vetting was done and he passed with flying colors, or not only would he not have received the appointment, he wouldn't have been nominated.

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Bernie Kerick was considered to be head of Homeland Security, a National Security postion which would also have required confirmation by the Senate.

Clay's appointment is the lowest of the low, a largely symbolic committee which has no access to classified or sensitive material.

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Had President Bush not heard about these allegations and made the appointment, imagine what kind of uproar you would have caused.

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Ok, now consider the opposite.Considering the Federal Law banning sexual orientation discrimination and Clay's meager celebrity, had President Bush or WH staff heard about these allegations and then not made the appointment based on them, imagine what kind of uproar that would have caused?

Excuse me, 5:30PM, but a person's sexual orientation and habits and the charges that were alleged against Clay, that of practically raping or assaulting a lonely and desperate famewhore who craved attention, are two vastly different animals. Congressman Mark Foley was recently forced to resign amid allegations of impropriety. Although Clay's appointment was confirmed before Foley was outed, the Foley rumors had been floating around the Beltway for months. Clay is the only celebrity on that committee, which elevates it to a more public presence and any embarrassment which would hamstring the committee's endeavors would not be welcomed. He was investigated and he was vetted.

Other investigations are taking place as we speak to determine the culprits behind this smear campaign and, hopefully, bring them to justice.

The investigation had nothing to do with his perceived sexual orientation and everything to do with the accusations made of being a internet-trolling, drug using manwhore.

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Those accusations are of Clay's sexual orientation and habits, none of which the appointment background investigative process has any concern with (especially considering it is not a National Security position).

Clay's MEAGER celebrity? BWAH! Whoever you are, you just gave yourself away. What a sociopath you are, what a desperate, spiteful, pathetic excuse for a human being you are. Attempting to bring him down is probably the only pleasure you get in your empty, lonely life, isn't it? Your conclusions don't even make sense and are laughable on the face of it. If he was appointed with the allegations hanging over his head, you'd be screaming, in light of the fact that you and other haters like you sent the allegations to the committee in advance to prevent that appointment from happening. That also makes you a hypocrite.

Congressman Mark Foley was recently forced to resign amid allegations of impropriety. Although Clay's appointment was confirmed before Foley was outed, the Foley rumors had been floating around the Beltway for months. Clay is the only celebrity on that committee, which elevates it to a more public presence and any embarrassment which would hamstring the committee's endeavors would not be welcomed. He was investigated and he was vetted.

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Congressman Mark Foley was not forced to resign by any investigative or authoritative body, but by light of his own actions coming to light. He was in a National Security Position and had advocated for stiffer penalties for online predators while evidently engaging in questionable activities.To this day, the investigations of the Congress into Mark Foley have found all Federal investigative procedures and oversight were followed.

Again, Clay is on a largely symbolic committee with no governmental or authoritative power at all, and no access to sensitive or classified material.

I fail to see how the personal conduct in any committee member's life could hamstring this committee, especially considering there is nothing to "hamstring" since they hold no governmental oversight or authority over anything.

OOOh, it looks like there's a troll here, trying to pass as an intellectual.

Was it Clay's meager celebrity that gave Kimmel some of the highest ratings he's ever had? How about R&K's bump when he co-hosted, or Tyra's? It's called a high TV "Q" rating and it's money in the bank. Live with it.

Was it Clay's meager celebrity that gave Kimmel some of the highest ratings he's ever had? How about R&K's bump when he co-hosted, or Tyra's? It's called a high TV "Q" rating and it's money in the bank.

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I am not attempting to debate his celebrity or not. Although, if the attention a George Clooney or Angelina Jolie generates for a barely recognized endevour were to be measured against Clay Aiken's than I do think "meager" is an appropriate term.

Would you listen to yourself, troll at 6:00PM? It's okay to be on a presidential committee and still be assumed to be an internet predator? Are you kidding? Do you know what hay the opposing party would make of that alone, celebrity or no celebrity?

You make absolutely no sense. The president isn't stupid. I'd say you are easily duped, but your comment that Clay's celebrity is MEAGER gives you away. BTW, the committee position isn't symbolic, though you will delude yourself into thinking that. Whoever said it sucks to be you is spot on.

He was investigated. He asked to be investigated. The lies were proven unfounded and he accepted the appointment.

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I agree that he was given a summary background investigationn and appointed. Simply where we differ is in your assertion that "he asked to be investigated" (he did not - other than the appointment application was made with his knowledge), and the assertion the "lies were proven unfounded", as they were not a focus of the screening in any manner.

The same ?lovely? people who have been lying about Clay are now after Carrie Underwood. They are posting supposed eye-witness accounts on another board about her not being a nice person and not being good to her fans. With her Grammy nominations and huge sales, she is becoming a threat to surpassing their favorite. My response is that I hope Carrie wins every reward she is up for and that her CD continues to sell huge number of CDs every week. She does not deserve this crap and neither do her fans. I like Carrie but can't say that I'm a fan. She seems nice. However, after what we have gone through for the last several years, I'm going to support Carrie and vote for her in polls. GO CARRIE!

The lies were proven unfounded. Did I stutter when I posted that? It is the truth, the lies WERE proven to be unfounded.

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You statement is wholly false, but I'm sure you are aware then that there would be an investigative record available under FOIA (the Freedom Of Information Act), and which after time will become public record (FBI investigative files automatically become publicly available 10 years after a case is closed or the investigative subject's death).

First of all, you dumb-ass troll, did you check with every member of the FBI to verify your blatherings about Clay NOT being vetted by checking this story? If not, shut your stupid pie-hole and go back to JV's blog. He's stupid enough to listen to you.

There are those in this fandom who DO have a direct link to Clay and his friends/family. They have ASSURED us that this story was checked out by the FBI and that it was found to be all lies. Clay passed the vetting process with flying colors.

I will choose to believe those people instead of some psychotic famehore and his band of lint-balls who have been attempting to smear Clay for four years now. Since you losers have never given us any valid reason to believe you in the past, I hardly think we'll start now.

It sure looks like someone here is not only a so-called insider, but seems to be an insider who takes great pleasure in assuming Clay is a gay, diva asshole who trolls online for sex and is only a minor celebrity. Am I right? Are you the so-called insider who was allegedly giving information to a certain desperate famewhore? What's the matter, honey, he didn't find you attractive, therefore he must be gay? Or are you a KCE'er who must denigrate every other idol in order to prove your Kelly love so that she'll take notice. Not that she will, but you could always hope.

My statement isn't wholly false. Shall we meet back here in 10 years and see who was telling the truth?

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Why wait?Perhaps you want to file a FOIA? Shall I tell you where and to whom to direct it too?Since you are so "informed" (although providing no references whatsoever to support your imagination), I'm sure you don't need the names or numbers of the offices at the WH or FBI that handle background screenings to inquire?

So if the FBI file isn't made public until 10 years after the case is closed, then how can you say he wasn't investigated? You don't really know, do you? Are you now pretending to be an FBI insider, just like groucho is the RCA insider, when he isn't fantasizing he's a billionaire hoping to do Kelly? Did you know she has a restraining order out against that old fart?

Unfortunately for you, that other poster is right. There are people in the fandom with access to Clay's family and friends and others in a position to know what's happening behind the scenes.

Be careful, your agenda is showing. Now go back to contemplating the lint in Kelly's navel. That should prove to be orgasmic for you.

I would like to know why 6:58PM is so hostile and so sure that Clay is an internet sex troller? Could you please list the reasons why? I'm anxious to hear it from the point of view of someone whose opinion I don't share. Of course, I don't expect to hear "well, they must be true, because he never refuted them." That isn't deductive reasoning. That's a lazy thinker or a gullible one or the thinking of one who is predisposed to believing any nasty rumor (and may even be guilty of starting a few), as a means to an end.

First of all, you dumb-ass troll, did you check with every member of the FBI to verify your blatherings about Clay NOT being vetted by checking this story?

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I did not say he wasn't "vetted". I said you are all mistaken as to the depth of that investigation or what it entailed.

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There are those in this fandom who DO have a direct link to Clay and his friends/family. They have ASSURED us that this story was checked out by the FBI and that it was found to be all lies. Clay passed the vetting process with flying colors.

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I am not saying he didn't pass. I am saying that his "vetting" entailed a criminal history and credit check. I've provided you references that show the process and what is entailed.Those family members, or fans can say whatever they want. The background investigation did not probe or consider the allegations, his sexuality, or sexual habits in any manner. It did not offer any conclusions or assumptions as to the weight or validity of those allegations.

So if the FBI file isn't made public until 10 years after the case is closed, then how can you say he wasn't investigated?

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I've not said he didn't undergo a background investigation or screening. I have said it was not as intensive as continues to be suggested, nor did it probe the allegations, Clay's sexuality or sexual habits in any manner.

I'll repeat:The lowest level of background investigation the FBI conducts is what is known as an NACLC (National Agency Check with Local Agency Check and Credit Check), which can clear you for access to CONFIDENTIAL material, of which this committee and it's members do not even have access too (so the standard for any investigation would be even less).

That includes a summary check of your criminal history and credit history.

Executive Order 12968 and the investigative standards for such background investigations lays it out as such:

Credit search covering all residence, employment, and education locations during the last 7 years.

Law Checks covering all locations of residence, employment, and education during the last 5 years and to all locations of admitted arrest. If 35-day service is requested, all law checks will be scheduled by Record Search. If 75-day service is requested, law checks will be scheduled by a combination of inquiry and record coverage. (See Service Availability below for additional information about law checks).

Visitors to the White House complex are asked to provide their social security numbers beforehand so a simple "background check" can be conducted on them. This is one step below the type of checks done on appointees with no access to sensitive or classified materials.

In short, they are not concerned with his sexual habits or preferences in any way whatsoever.Even the credit checks (under federal law of what credit reporting can be used for) have drawn fire.

It doesn't take abstract thinking skills to figure it out. It's too obvious. There is proof out there that the allegations are lies. Perhaps the FBI didn't need to do the investigation. Perhaps another source was used to determine those words.

I would like to know why 6:58PM is so hostile and so sure that Clay is an internet sex troller?

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I fail to see where you can point to my being hostile. I've attempted to inject some truth in the midst of misinformation about the machinations of Federal background invesigations in general and Clay's specifically, and only have continually been attacked and insulted.

I have not commented on the allegations other than to say that they were not a focus or consideration in any way during the screening process for his appointment.

You are using the machinations of a normal Federal background investigation to specifically address Clay's situation, which is outside of the norm. Given the level of his celebrity and the current climate in Washington, and the fact that Clay and his lawyers requested the investigation, I don't think you can readily assume that the usual criteria was followed? Or do you have first-hand information you'd like to share?

So can you, asshole. The thing is, the family KNOWS; you're just blowing smoke out of your ass.

The background investigation did not probe or consider the allegations, his sexuality, or sexual habits in any manner.

It most certainly DID. They investigated those allegations by the famehore and found out they were all lies - just like Clay stated. How do they know they were all lies? Clay had an ironclad alibi for the night in question. That alibi will hold up in any court. That's why you'll never, ever see a lawsuit filed AGAINST Clay for any of the allegations. Filing a fraudulent lawsuit is a criminal offense. Since none of you losers wish to be the plaything of the cellblock, none of you will ever have the BALLS to file.

Give it up, dumb-ass. You have no knowledge of anything that went on in that investigation.

As far as us getting an FOI report, we already did that with the FAKE lawsuit filed by those "nine disgruntled Clay fans." Care to hear what the report had to say? Nope, didn't think so.

You are using the machinations of a normal Federal background investigation to specifically address Clay's situation, which is outside of the norm. Given the level of his celebrity and the current climate in Washington, and the fact that Clay and his lawyers requested the investigation, I don't think you can readily assume that the usual criteria was followed? Or do you have first-hand information you'd like to share?

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I can and I do. I have been speaking specifically to his appointment throughout these comments, and I don't think I can be any more first-hand then I already have been.