I'm Pro Second Amendment, However I Can't Ignore the Numbers

First of all, let me say, I am a staunch 2nd Amendment supporter and was raised that way from a very early age. I came from a family where my father concealed carried, due to his profession, and I was taught proper gun handling from about 6 years old. I go practice shooting for recreation and would never advocate anything that would not grandfather current gun owners / arms purchased in the past.

Now with that said, I have an open mind and I'm also a numbers guy. I've been doing my own research and have come to some conclusions..

First of all, I am noticing that more guns does not equal less crime and let me explain why. Most of the states with highest gun ownership rates do NOT have a dramatic reduction in violent crimes. In fact many of them are among the highest gun death rate per capita in our country. See where your state falls:

Notice which ones are the lowest.. Now I'm against any kind of all out bans, (see Chicago) however the most permissive states in their gun laws are among the higher death rates and I will tell you why.

There's a particular Wal-Mart in the town I live that everyone knows you should avoid. No one wants to go there. The service sucks, it's full of crackheads and you feel like you may get stabbed walking to your car. When you mention that Wal-Mart, anyone from around here goes "Oh THAT one.." with wide eyes. You could go right down the road and buy stolen tires, car stereos and probably get a BJ for 25 bucks.

Now tell me, WHY on earth would it be good for guns to be easily acquired in said neighborhood? I almost guarantee you that 95% of the guns sold at that store are used in crimes by criminals.

This has nothing to do with restricting law abiding citizens.. Go to Bass Pro or any sporting goods store and you will notice a much different clientele... I'm not talking about race either. We have a huge population of white trash meth heads too, BUT... I guarantee you the crackheads and meth heads who live by that Wal Mart and probably ride the bus to work (if they have a job) would not go out of there way to go to the Sporting Goods store on the other side of town. They can just just walk in to their local China Junk store and by a cheap gun.

So in short.. Guns in the hands of law abiding citizens are good, proliferation of arms in a lower socioeconomic neighborhood.. not so much.

So, I say make it a little more difficult to acquire one. Take them out of the food stamp stores. I don't care. I have a car and a bank account and I can wait a few days and acquire one from bass pro.

By your logic, we should ban fast food restaurants in poor neighborhoods. I would bet the statistics of degenerative health problems from processed food eclipses deaths from gun violence by orders of magnitude.

And while your at it, why not delineate "rights" to people based on socio-economic status?

By your logic, we should ban fast food restaurants in poor neighborhoods. I would bet the statistics of degenerative health problems from processed food eclipses deaths from gun violence by orders of magnitude.

And while your at it, why not delineate "rights" to people based on socio-economic status?

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Quoting: Anonymous Coward 961432

Not necessarily take them out of bad neighborhoods.. but it couldn't hurt to take them out of the food stamp store. Gun dealers, with background checks wouldn't hinder any law abiding citizens would it? Other than inconvenience?

Still no one has answered my questions. Why would it be good to have more guns a neighborhood like the one I described?

Quoting: Grimsun

Because, regardless of how bad the neighborhood is the majority of people living there are not criminals, and it is a God given right "read: not Government given" for innocent people to protect themselves from criminals who wish to do them and their families harm.

But you are still free to buy a gun are you not? I'm only simply saying I am fine with a few extra hoops if it will deter a crackhead from purchasing a gun at Walmart with cash and then committing a crime.

Still no one has answered my questions. Why would it be good to have more guns a neighborhood like the one I described?

Quoting: Grimsun

Because, regardless of how bad the neighborhood is the majority of people living there are not criminals, and it is a God given right "read: not Government given" for innocent people to protect themselves from criminals who wish to do them and their families harm.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32730030

Agreed on all parts. As stated in my OP, the law abiding citizens can drive to bass pro and buy their guns with a legit ID because they are not criminals.

Never fall for the numbers games they play. Remember @ 2million crimes are stopped every year by law abiding gun owners, of that 800,000 of those the gun used to stop the crime is never fired. How many go unreported also.

There are about @75,000,000 hand guns in the US and 7,500 are used in a crime each year.

Never fall for the numbers games they play. Remember @ 2million crimes are stopped every year by law abiding gun owners, of that 800,000 of those the gun used to stop the crime is never fired. How many go unreported also.

There are about @75,000,000 hand guns in the US and 7,500 are used in a crime each year.

But you are still free to buy a gun are you not? I'm only simply saying I am fine with a few extra hoops if it will deter a crackhead from purchasing a gun at Walmart with cash and then committing a crime.

Quoting: Grimsun

Crackheads can get guns through other channels they will just buy them from other criminals. In fact, the profits then go to support more criminal activities/wealth. It also means they need to perform more crime to gain the additional money necessary for the cost discrepancy.

Are you proposing to give criminal cartels government subsidies via legislation?

But you are still free to buy a gun are you not? I'm only simply saying I am fine with a few extra hoops if it will deter a crackhead from purchasing a gun at Walmart with cash and then committing a crime.

Quoting: Grimsun

Crackheads can get guns through other channels they will just buy them from other criminals. In fact, the profits then go to support more criminal activities/wealth. It also means they need to perform more crime to gain the additional money necessary for the cost discrepancy.

Are you proposing to give criminal cartels government subsidies via legislation?

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Quoting: Anonymous Coward 961432

Hah, that made me chuckle. Look, we all know they can acquire it other ways but it's more difficult. Most of these crackheads aren't connected in some underground organized crime network either. I mean you're not advocating we start selling 6 shots in the quickie mart are you?