If MS gave you a choice between the classic interface and the modern interface, nobody would use the modern version. Which would defeat the entire point. MS would axe the classic version at some point and then people would complain about whatever iteration of windows MS did that in.

If you cannot adopt to the modern interface there is readily available 3rd party software that will change the interface to make it similar to previous versions of windows, takes a few minutes to download and install and that's it. If you are going to complain about doing something as simple as that, then there really isn't much to say about you or your computer skills.

And if what you just posted wasn't laughable enough, you come out with the golden line about apple and innovation. LOL

Apple doesn't innovate. They simply refine existing ideas/concepts and make them popular. That isn't innovation, it is just good implementation and marketing.

Hell people have been complaining for the past few years (essentially since Jobs passed) that apple has become stagnant. They resorted to putting in ios features into OSX. They reneged on their whole concept about the iphone screen size due to pressure from competitors. They are losing on the hardware smartphone front as well. And from what it looks like being forced to abandon their 1 phone model policy to produce a cheaper model to better compete with android and windows phone. The mp3 player market is in decline and doesn't do much for apple, not really anything more for them to do there. And then there is the ipad. Initially head and shoulders above the competition they are facing steep competition from android tablets below and at their pricepoints and full blow windows tablets/convertibles at higher price points. Not to mention the joke that the ipad mini is.

Yep that screams innovation to me /s.

And what has microsoft done with windows 8? Ushered in may new and interesting computer designs from convertibles, to hybrid laptop/tablets and new desktop form factors. none of which would have happened without windows 8. We would basically be suck with the same categories of computers we have had for the past decade. Yeah, clearly MS's efforts with Windows 8 lacked innovation.

Surface? Class leading tablets with innovative form factors and type/touch covers? You can't see the innovation there? Sure it has gotten off to a slow start, but the WinRT has to grow and the,hardware internals need to improve a bit to fully realize the idea (behind the pro) but the 1st generation is a solid product.

Lets move on. Look at the original xbox. Just a bunch of off the shelf pc parts stuck in a console, right? At first glance yes, and it didn't seem like much would come of it. But then Microsoft xbox live which define what online gaming on consoles should be like, setting the standard and offering something that their competitors still have yet to match. But everybody said they would fail and nothing would come of their efforts.

Next? Windows phone? What is so special about it. it combines the standards of ios (which make it stable and easy to use) with some of the freedoms of android which gives you many more choices and options. And the made wp very efficient so it doesn't need the latest hardware to provide a good user experience. Which is why it is finding success in so many markets and is growing a good rate.

Whats next? Skydrive. Just and online storage service right? Nothing special? Nope. MS has constantly refined it to be best overall cloud storage service with its features, ease of use and accessibility on many different platforms and services.

And I can go on and on. MS doesn't spend more on R/D than anybody else for nothing.

And lets get to your final paragraphs. You agree that Gates is an intelligent and capable leader,right? So if that is the case and Ballmer is so bad, why would he first appoint him CEO and later as his successor to run Microsoft while he focused on philanthropy? Surely if Ballmer suck so bad he wouldnl't leave him in charge no matter how long Ballmer was at MS or how close their relationship was? And if he was unsatisfied with his performance, wouldn't he step in with the board of directors to give Ballmer the boot and find someone better (or come back himself)? Yet that didn't happen.

I'm not saying Ballmer is great or good at his job. He has had missteps and problems during his leadership. He has said foolish things. He has had issues with other employees But overall he has done a decent job. Of course things could be better, you could say that about Tim Cook or pretty much any other leader. But to act like he is the worst business exec ever? That is ridiculous. And obviously isn't the case because he was allowed to remain in his position at MS for so long and retire at his discretion.

Take off the blinders, and have an objective look.

What a bunch of dribble. If you haven't used windows 8 enough don't even comment on it. So many have used it on the desktops and if enough people are having problems including developers, there's obviously something wrong. I've used it but it's just a $#@!ty OS compared to previous windows systems. Even installing other softwares to Windows 8 can be a straight $#@!. Not only that but Microsoft put more hoops to jump through when using Windows 8 compared to any previous OS they've made.

there is honestly no reason to write so much that it becomes a chore to read and this goes for both debating here. LOL

Its a fun read for many, the current trend is Microsoft apologists. The reason being Microsoft has genuinely created fans of their products, but their current position is backed up to a wall getting slapped from all fronts and those fans are felling those slaps too.

Don't take it to heart but Microsoft is in a terrible position right now, all their top guys have either jumped ship or been replaced.

Over the last 5 years SONY has had a company shake up and now stocks are almost 3x what they were in 2008.

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