SacriliciousBeerSwiller:Nirvana gets WAY too much credit for their impact. The mainstreaming of alt rock was happening with or without them. If Nirvana gets credit for anything, it's for mainstreaming the specific and godawful grunge genre.

I give Trent Reznor more credit for changing the mainstream rock scene than anyone, given that Pretty Hate Machine came out in 1989. THAT is what destroyed spandex rock.

bwaa haahaa.

Look, I love NIN as much as anyone but no one gave two shiats about PHM and the only song on it worth a turd is Head Like a Hole, a song that was almost as overplayed as Smells Like Teen Spirit... except that it was just a pop song with industrial leanings instead of a rock song.

Oh, and PHM dated so badly that it is practically unlistenable now.

And another comparison - PHM machine went triple platinum IN 2003. That's 3 million copies.

By that time Nevermind had sold 30 MILLION COPIES.

So, no, Trent had shiat all to do with the death of hair metal. Hell, the biggest thing Trent did was this -

you can try to re-write history to minimize Nirvana's importance, but it is akin to neo-nazis claiming that the holocaust didn't really happen.

Nirvana gets WAY too much credit for their impact. The mainstreaming of alt rock was happening with or without them. If Nirvana gets credit for anything, it's for mainstreaming the specific and godawful grunge genre.

I give Trent Reznor more credit for changing the mainstream rock scene than anyone, given that Pretty Hate Machine came out in 1989. THAT is what destroyed spandex rock.

Many Nirvana fans would agree that Kurt Cobain wouldn't have wanted CBS to use his song title to capitalize on the track's phenomenal success

Do you still get to be an iconoclast anti-mainstream hero if you had three videos on heavy rotation on Mtv and your band still has merchandise at Hot Topic? Does blowing your head off really give you that much hipster cred?

what about a tee vee show about someone who spends their life, and each episode, watching inane, ignorant foolishness on a box, on a screen, or on a cellular telephone, complete with the associated vapid interaction associated with such media, in between having the life sucked out of them for eight hours a day (10 with the commute) and perhaps the occasional desperate fapping or unsatisfactory, and therefore humorous, social entanglement? As the season progresses, the antihero or anti-heroine grows ever more pale and zombiefied, a mere dry husk of a human being who only speaks in the gray monotone like the smiths but not as whimpy and then finally snap and going on a murder rampage of death. the next season starts with the main character in the shower like nothing happened but you could add your own supporting lovable cast of miscreants every year knowing that they would all die in the aforementioned murder rampage of death in amusing and satisfying ways.

ClintonKun:"The multicamera comedy revolves around an 18-year-old budding entrepreneur," describes the Hollywood Reporter, "who forgoes Harvard and instead opts to launch a multibillion-dollar Internet company from his garage with the assistance of his sister, best friend and his 1990s indie-rock parents."

"The multicamera comedy revolves around an 18-year-old budding entrepreneur," describes the Hollywood Reporter, "who forgoes Harvard and instead opts to launch a multibillion-dollar Internet company from his garage with the assistance of his sister, best friend and his 1990s indie-rock parents."