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Ooh Nestor, I never took you for a kinky gal. For some reason I thought you were all about vanilla missionary positions.

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"I have tried hard--but life is difficult, and I am a very useless person. I can hardly be said to have an independent existence. I was just a screw or a cog in the great machine I called life, and when I dropped out of it I found I was of no use anywhere else."

It is not uncommon for straight men to get anally stimulated. A female friend of mine said that sticking her finger up her boyfriend's ass and massaging his prostate while giving a blow job is one of her favorite tricks: "It is great because it makes him shoot right away and I don't want to be down there all night."

I've had at least 8 female friends who said their man likes a finger up his butt. One said her man like for her to wear a strap-on. I was really surprised by this as I thought straight guys felt anything up the butt would mean they are gay. I guess they are secure with their sexuality and know what feels good. Some of them could be a little bi.

About getting off without touching yourself---- I've been told my junk is so big that I make all my tricks bust a nut without touching themselves

I've had at least 8 female friends who said their man likes a finger up his butt. One said her man like for her to wear a strap-on. I was really surprised by this as I thought straight guys felt anything up the butt would mean they are gay. I guess they are secure with their sexuality and know what feels good. Some of them could be a little bi.

About getting off without touching yourself---- I've been told my junk is so big that I make all my tricks bust a nut without touching themselves

Just because you enjoy the physical sensation of having something up your butt doesn't make you gay, it just makes you sexually adventurous. Being sexually attracted to men makes you gay (or bi)

I need to lie down. Too many revelations for one night. Bozus wants to know what it feels like for a girl. Nestor likes to play Sharon Stone. And Dorothea is a top??!!

Someone please pass me my poppers.

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"I have tried hard--but life is difficult, and I am a very useless person. I can hardly be said to have an independent existence. I was just a screw or a cog in the great machine I called life, and when I dropped out of it I found I was of no use anywhere else."

I've had at least 8 female friends who said their man likes a finger up his butt. One said her man like for her to wear a strap-on. I was really surprised by this as I thought straight guys felt anything up the butt would mean they are gay. I guess they are secure with their sexuality and know what feels good. Some of them could be a little bi.

Naw man, my butt don't need no fingering...

My second wife was a freak.... she wanted to lick mah butthole. Yes... I tried it and I was like wtf?? It was really weird and she was really into it.... I didnt know what the fuck to do. I didnt know if I was suppose to moan or crap in her face. Looking back on it, I shoulda crapped in her face. Damn girl put me through hell.

I don't like my butthole played with and lying on my back with her looking up past my nuts was a strange experience indeed. Now when we argue I tell her, "go lick Ray's (her man) ass ya nasty biotch".... pisses her off every time. She use to also like to watch me plow other women, but they had to be blondes.. and she never wanted me to screw around with other black women though, and that sucked.

Now on the otherhand.. I love to lick a woman's butt, but it's hard to find ones that likes it.

As for the changing that status on A4A as I completely agree it's up to the individual, and no one should take the Hiv negative statement on Manhunt or A4A seriously.

Most people do not even check the HIV status in profiles anyway. On one occasion, I met someone, and only after the deed was done (safely) did it become apparent that he hadn't read that part. I don't know how hard one has to try to disclose. But clearly, the profiles are not the right way to do it. At least, they are not sufficient. People only look at the pictures most of the time.

I think one guy had the right idea - I saw one profile recently of a guy who photoshopped the word "HIV" on top of his head in his picture. Along with a sentence that he only barebacked. You can be sure nobody who looked at his profile missed that one. But why not use stars while we are at it ? Or maybe a red ribbon piercing ? Hell, that probably still wouldn't work, given the number of guys I have chatted with that don't even have a clue what the word "poz" means.

Ok, thanks all for clearing it up. So basically it seems that bottoms enjoy anal penetration but in order to come (most of the time) they have to masturbate at the same time.

Re other things

--This has nothing to do with me or my predilections. I have no interest in putting anything down there - but I am intellectually curious about everything, so used the opportunity to inquire from people who know. Alternatively - if you know of any reasonable book/site that explains this would be great.

--My comment re 'natural' sex was a joke. Which I feel I should explain. Sex can be thought of in two dimensions - one as a form of procreation, the other as a form of recreation. As far as the first dimension - there is only one natural act which results in insemination. That's just a fact, a matter of definition. Any other act - oral sex/anal sex/ear sex (?) can be called unnatural, but only in a very narrow sense. (By the way, that's where the word onanism comes from, if you want to look up the biblical story)As far as recreation - people can get off a million different ways. And here the term 'natural' is relative - based on whatever is appealing to the individual uttering the word. So any act that one doesn't care for can be called unnatural - but it only means "I personally don't get turned on by it".

Ok, thanks all for clearing it up. So basically it seems that bottoms enjoy anal penetration but in order to come (most of the time) they have to masturbate at the same time.

Or, better yet be masturbated by the partner. My "hands tied to the headboard" comment last night was largely in jest, but I am not of the "I touch myself" camp for two reasons. First, I can do that when I'm by myself. Why would I want to do it when I have someone else there to do it for me? And second, if I'm attracted to the guy I'm with (and if I weren't attracted to him I wouldn't be with him in the first place) my hands want to be on his body, not on my own.

--My comment re 'natural' sex was a joke. Which I feel I should explain. Sex can be thought of in two dimensions - one as a form of procreation, the other as a form of recreation. As far as the first dimension - there is only one natural act which results in insemination. That's just a fact, a matter of definition. Any other act - oral sex/anal sex/ear sex (?) can be called unnatural, but only in a very narrow sense. (By the way, that's where the word onanism comes from, if you want to look up the biblical story)As far as recreation - people can get off a million different ways. And here the term 'natural' is relative - based on whatever is appealing to the individual uttering the word. So any act that one doesn't care for can be called unnatural - but it only means "I personally don't get turned on by it".

Or, better yet be masturbated by the partner. My "hands tied to the headboard" comment last night was largely in jest, but I am not of the "I touch myself" camp for two reasons. First, I can do that when I'm by myself. Why would I want to do it when I have someone else there to do it for me? And second, if I'm attracted to the guy I'm with (and if I weren't attracted to him I wouldn't be with him in the first place) my hands want to be on his body, not on my own.

Gotcha, thanks. Wouldn't it be hard, though, for the ''top" to pump away AND masturbate effectively simultaneously? Relying on own experience, I can do some stuff with my hands while pumping, but I doubt I could bring a partner to an orgasm like that alone.

A large percent of adult carnivorous fathers would gladly eat their young cubs if the mother didn't stop them (lions, bears, others). Does that make it natural? I'm not saying act X is unnatural, only showing how the 'happens in nature-> is natural' argument is specious imho.

Gotcha, thanks. Wouldn't it be hard, though, for the ''top" to pump away AND masturbate effectively simultaneously? Relying on own experience, I can do some stuff with my hands while pumping, but I doubt I could bring a partner to an orgasm like that alone.

A large percent of adult carnivorous fathers would gladly eat their young cubs if the mother didn't stop them (lions, bears, others). Does that make it natural? I'm not saying act X is unnatural, only showing how the 'happens in nature-> is natural' argument is specious imho.

Rubbish. The whole of it.

Oh Nestor, I'm sure that if your legs are up like a V, or if you're getting fucked doggy style, your voracious top is not going to have much of a way to stroke your chorizo.

And let's be honest, while a guy is pumping away the last concern in his mind is going to be whether you need to be jacked off or not. So don't go round claiming that you're not part of the Divinyls camp. It just does not convince me.

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"I have tried hard--but life is difficult, and I am a very useless person. I can hardly be said to have an independent existence. I was just a screw or a cog in the great machine I called life, and when I dropped out of it I found I was of no use anywhere else."

Gotcha, thanks. Wouldn't it be hard, though, for the ''top" to pump away AND masturbate effectively simultaneously? Relying on own experience, I can do some stuff with my hands while pumping, but I doubt I could bring a partner to an orgasm like that alone.

Really, I've done this a lot of times with many partners where we both came to orgasm at the same time....so, it is possible, and it can be done

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I always orgasm before the top and then I push him off of me. If he's wise he goes home.

Now, that makes sense. Or they can jack it off really quickly, cum on my chest, and get the fuck out.

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"I have tried hard--but life is difficult, and I am a very useless person. I can hardly be said to have an independent existence. I was just a screw or a cog in the great machine I called life, and when I dropped out of it I found I was of no use anywhere else."

I always orgasm before the top and then I push him off of me. If he's wise he goes home.

I always feel that if my sex partner doesn't cum, to me it feels like something is missing, and if a guy cannot get hard and cum, that's just a little to strange for me , so, I won't do it a 2nd time with them, and if i do see them out and about and they notice me, I RUN LIKE HELL

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Gotcha, thanks. Wouldn't it be hard, though, for the ''top" to pump away AND masturbate effectively simultaneously? Relying on own experience, I can do some stuff with my hands while pumping, but I doubt I could bring a partner to an orgasm like that alone.

Well, it's like saying I eat a steak and drink a glass of wine, together. I'm not exactly doing both simultaneously, but close enough.

2) I'd assume that they're targeting straight porn because it's a larger volume of production, plus it's 99% bareback whereas gay porn is a smaller total volume of work, and probably only 35% of it is bareback, and half of the bareback is produced overseas (I'm just making up those numbers but since I've been a porn addict since the age of 17 they can't be wildly off)

Gotcha, thanks. Wouldn't it be hard, though, for the ''top" to pump away AND masturbate effectively simultaneously? Relying on own experience, I can do some stuff with my hands while pumping, but I doubt I could bring a partner to an orgasm like that alone.

A large percent of adult carnivorous fathers would gladly eat their young cubs if the mother didn't stop them (lions, bears, others). Does that make it natural? I'm not saying act X is unnatural, only showing how the 'happens in nature-> is natural' argument is specious imho.

What percent please provide your statistics? Oh and the Great Dane next door would be happy to show you how humping takes place in nature. Believe me you won't needs your hands.

Ted opens a thread with some empathy for this guy who is outed by some vengeful ex-lover, and is the victim of vicious rumors by the gay gossips who report his HIV status.

He's quickly dismissed as uninteresting (and a total bottom). More interesting to tackle the important topics of gay porn stars we have screwed, and the ins and outs of gay orgasms.

Grasshopper makes a late entry to try to get it back somewhat on topic. The complaint against Larry Flynt has an interesting sexual politics.

But the thread degenerates into banter about bestiality.

Then don't read it if it upsets your dainty little sensibilties. Just like you (however ponderous) everyone has the same right as you do to post what they want withen forum guidelines. God your lectures get fucking tedious.

Then don't read my lectures. You're my greatest fan, can't bear to block me? Now go back to your dog sex brilliancy and vulgar vocabulary and forget about me and the topic here. Way to shine for the world! So proud this is a public forum and we all put our best capacity out there.

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HMM, "pondering" the heap of shit some harebrained gaytards dumped on this cute guy's career, and maybe the politics of bareback sex in gay porn versus straight porn. Or, sex with dogs. Which is vapid again?

I guess both are.

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ďFrom each, according to his ability; to each, according to his needĒ 1875 K Marx

Ted opens a thread with some empathy for this guy who is outed by some vengeful ex-lover, and is the victim of vicious rumors by the gay gossips who report his HIV status.

He's quickly dismissed as uninteresting (and a total bottom). More interesting to tackle the important topics of gay porn stars we have screwed, and the ins and outs of gay orgasms.

Grasshopper makes a late entry to try to get it back somewhat on topic. The complaint against Larry Flynt has an interesting sexual politics.

But the thread degenerates into banter about bestiality.

Mecch, is it any different from real life? Two serious people who both care about a topic can pursue it in an organized way in a long conversation. But as soon as there's a group of people around a table, getting them to stick to a topic is like herding cats.

And besides, I really don't think poor Mason Wyler is being hurt by the fact that a thread to discuss his problem has devolved into sexual banter. He's a porn actor, after all. I didn't say anything on topic because there was nothing to say that wouldn't have been completely obvious and banal. Yes, it was terrible that people "outed" him. Of course it's horrible that the kid has HIV. Those things go without saying. And what else is there to say about it?

HMM, "pondering" the heap of shit some harebrained gaytards dumped on this cute guy's career, and maybe the politics of bareback sex in gay porn versus straight porn. Or, sex with dogs. Which is vapid again?

Mecch, is it any different from real life? Two serious people who both care about a topic can pursue it in an organized way in a long conversation. But as soon as there's a group of people around a table, getting them to stick to a topic is like herding cats.

And besides, I really don't think poor Mason Wyler is being hurt by the fact that a thread to discuss his problem has devolved into sexual banter. He's a porn actor, after all. I didn't say anything on topic because there was nothing to say that wouldn't have been completely obvious and banal. Yes, it was terrible that people "outed" him. Of course it's horrible that the kid has HIV. Those things go without saying. And what else is there to say about it?

I think what you finally just wrote isn't banal. It's thoughtful.

Real life conversations do meander around, and they are in real time, and thus synchronous. They don't have topics, threads, and the asynchronous chance to think about what we are saying and where.

Go ahead and resume the cocktail, no problem.

I was just piping in out of respect for the guy, since I had just bothered to go and listen to him speaking about his career and self, on Youtube, with his clothes on, pre "outing". He's not all that fascinating, but he became real to me, and not just an abstraction/image that we normally think of as a "gay porn star".

I read his blog too, a few days ago, that's the last time I posted in this thread.

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ďFrom each, according to his ability; to each, according to his needĒ 1875 K Marx

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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts