I've been looking for winter clincher tires that are as close to my veloflex carbon tubs. Having been on high tpi tires for a while now, I'd prefer not to go back to the rubbery feel of ultremos or contis.

I've searched the forum quite a bit however seems there is no accepted set-up (other then Paves).

I would get the paves but afraid that the greens will clash with the sky dogma blue or the trek madone navy blue (unless one argues otherwise).

So, what is the most supple tire that will behave like the paves?

(I have used the veloflex carbons in clincher when they were marketed as 22mm, quite bad in the wet)

Yes, they were available for a while in an all-black version because Bjarne Riis got so pissed at having that green stripe on the bikes in his team (I believe it was Bjarne; someone correct me if I was wrong). These were 290 tpi tires and honestly were a little slipperier than the green ones because the green rubber really does work better. I keep hearing stories about 320 tpi all-black ones, but each time I hear about them or order some, they turn out to be 290 tpi. Anyone got a photo of all-black 320 tpi ones?

This year Paves are going to 25 mm from 24 mm. They are actually fatter than that seems in the newer diameter. I like them better and the green stripe seems to be wider too. The 24 mm tires will be on clearance so it's a good time to buy them.

It really is winter and if you need a tire like this, get the Pave. There's nothing else like it. The green stripe gets much duller as soon as it gets dirty so it's only on the first ride that you have to deal with it.

This year Paves are going to 25 mm from 24 mm. They are actually fatter than that seems in the newer diameter. I like them better and the green stripe seems to be wider too. The 24 mm tires will be on clearance so it's a good time to buy them.

The Vittoria website actually has new 2013 Open Pave listed as 25c (240gm) and 27c (280gm) ...very interesting, and exciting that they are going to offer in 27c. Look slike the tread profile is differnt and they dropped the green center stripe and went back to two green side stripes. Has anyone seen or tried these yet?EM3

I have to agree except for durability. They are very good in that aspect, but not better than Continental. I use the 24mm clincher every day to work, and 27mm tubular (for the pave of Paris Roubaix). Both excel.

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