I don't see Texas making it either. Too vast of land to defend per the number of citizens the state has. Plus every state that is able will be going
after the refineries en mass. Armies could probably come stage in Texas and no would even know it.

True but rule #1 was no foreign aid or intervention. Which puts Alaska in a very nice defensive spot. I don't see them winning though because they
don't have the population in which to invade another state.

Texas would win but that wouldn't help anyone else. Texas would define winning by closing it's borders and telling the whole rest of the nation to
drop a postcard when they got their stuff together and knew which way was which. I wouldn't see Texas considering it worth their resources or manpower
unless directly attacked and then it'd be a real short fight in their favor....and back to closed borders. Just my thoughts on them as nearly a
'people' with their own identity and all. lol....

California would form alliances with Nevada, Oregon and Washington or they'd go lights out and very very hard times indeed within record time. I don't
think they need worry about making friends with Arizona. It isn't happening in this lifetime is my guess, either way. However, California turns a good
part of it's lights on by power through the grid and Californians went from NIMBY to BANANA. (Build Absolutely Nothing
Anywhere Near Anything). That means self reliance on those basic things like water (Colorado River for more than a small % of it)
and power isn't something they do well. Achilles heal.. Yikes!

Realistically though, I think once war broke out and law and order/civil order broke down to even a minor degree below smooth running with no prospect
of that getting better, we'd see what is currently seen in some California cities now and Detroit. Criminals sitting on the top of the food chain in
an open way and not just the Politician types we're used to. I'd predict 3-4 nations would be the end result...for the short term anyway. Texas being
one all it's own.

*Oh.. Utah would do the same as Texas and they actually have thought this one out as I understand it.

Originally posted by safetymeeting
Alaska, hands down. We have guns and ammo for days, our own refinery, the terrain that you kids in the lower 48 couldn't handle for a day, as I'm
sure the animals would pick most of you clean before you even found someone to fight.

that really shouldn't count because alaska is already in and of itself "a lone nation" .. i've lived there.. i know.. it's nothing like the
lower 48,,,

Texas wins- They control the oil/refineries and have ExxonMobil/Halliburton corporate headquarters.
More military personnel, bases than any other state- could be made up

Access to Gulf gives them relatively quick access to either pacific or atlantic
Better infrastructure to handle catastrophes.
Tough part would be drinking/irrigation water access... New York has the advantage here.
California has no chance.
New York however- they wouldn't be a pushover.

Originally posted by Jason88
I'm voting for Texas as the winner. It has access to plenty of farmland (sorry Alaska), access to the ocean, and strong energy resources. If full out
war broke out among the US states; Texas would likely emerge as the most dominant. (I'm in Boston, we'd fight like hell but NY would overrun us in a
heartbeat before its own downfall).

Well, Alaska actually grows some world-record setting produce due to the sun in the summer. Case in point:

Potatoes and other root vegetables do well too. Reindeer, cows, chickens, horses and mules also can be raised in South Central AK.

Alaska also has the ocean. America's largest commercial fishing vessel operates in Alaska:

If you have ever eaten a McDonald’s Filet-o-fish there is a good chance that it came from the Alaska Ocean. The Alaska Ocean is the largest
catcher/processor ship in the U.S. fleet with a capacity to catch and process 300 tons of Alaskan Pollock each day. The Alaska Ocean yearly catch
accounts for nearly 40% of commercial caught fish in the U.S.

You all aren't even looking at Ohio! We have Wright-Patterson Air Force Base which is currently the largest military base operated by the Air Force in
United States territory. We have the tank plant, the only one in the US, and we're not even counting the numerous other military bases, National
Guard, and pissed off rednecks! We also grow over 200+ crops and livestock here and we have water everywhere. I think Ohio would be very self
sufficient.

Food will be a major factor, any state that can`t produce enough food on it`s own to feed it`s people and it`s army ,wont` last long in a war.
Hawaii would have a good chance of surviving, any landlocked state that doesn`t have a navy won`t be attacking hawaii.

California would form alliances with Nevada, Oregon and Washington or they'd go lights out and very very hard times indeed within record time. I
don't think they need worry about making friends with Arizona. It isn't happening in this lifetime is my guess,

People in Reno and lost wages might join calif but like most of the hill people of calif the rural population of Nevada want nothing to do with the
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