I didn't like him, but I'm probably just biased cos he's Danny's replacement. I think it was a bad idea to introduce him in the same episode as they got rid of Daniel in.

I'll admit it's too early to make any kind of serious judgement about this character, but my early impression of him was that he was one of those 'pretty boy' types, somehow I don't think he'd fit in on SG-1.

So do you guys think that they'll put him on SG-1 or will his character have some kind of different role?

I can't really see why he would be assigned to SG1, he doesn't seem to have the experience required for such a job, and it would make sence that they would promote someone from a lower SG team to take Daniel's place in the flagship unit.

It's just a suggestion, but perhaps when viewing episodes with Jonas in them, it might be easier for you if you thought of him as a 'new character' rather than 'Daniel's replacement'.

I mean, I don't know, I'm just guessing, I'm not inside your head and I don't know how intensely you feel about the demise of Daniel, but let's face it Daniel was a 'pretty boy' too and I know that he was there from the outset of the show and many have grown to love and respect the character, but perhaps we need to give Jonas the benefit of the doubt. He may fit in like a charm, we won't really know until we have seen an episode where he's reacting to the rest of the team and seen what, if any, rapport he manages to achieve.

I dunno really..as not too much was said about the guy in that episode.

They did seem to say that he was smart had a little bit of background with archaeology and he seemed to be wanted to explore what was the other side of the gate.

Like I have said in other threads...its gunna be hard for us and the new character as we only have one season to get to know him and what he is all about and I don't think that its really enough time...but thats all we have got. Where as with Danny and the others we had a whole five seasons (minus one )

I think its going to be different without having Daniel around...I will keep thinking that he is going to pop up every now and again and I also think I would feel the same if it was any other character that is in Stargate SG1...so for me its not just about Daniel.

Im willing to give Jonus a chance to see what he is going to turn out like.
Im hoping that they don't make him into another Danny as that would be a little silly IMHO...

What I would hope is that he isn't just a replacement Danny. It is clear, that for many people, they can never replace Daniel anyway, so that would be a further insult to those fans to have a Danny clone. But in my opinion, it would also be better for the series to have a new different character. Still someone who comes from a totally different perspective to Jack's, sure! But just like the X-Files brought in Doggett to replace Mulder, a new character, with different motives, who can develop, and we can slowly learn more about.

I can't make a judgement on that until I have seen more, so I'm one of those sitting on the fence, sorry!

I think that if T.P.T.B. really are planning to impose Joshua Quinn on to the remains of S.G. 1, they should seriously take a reality check at this point...

They're talking about 'replacing' a tried and true friend - a man of great humanity, knowledge, integrity and quiet courage - with a lying, chicken-hearted alien thief who knows Bâ€”-all about our culture, identity and mores.

As I said before..... perhaps it might be better to think of him as a entirely new character and not Daniel's replacement. If the producers have any sense they won't just fling him into a mission with SG1 without him having to be vetted somewhat first. If he is, then it will probably be a case of whatever knowledge he does hold will be vital to the success of the mission.

I don't know I am just guessing here. I have no strong feelings about it at all.

However, at the risk of someone decapitating me for mentioning that I was military, military teams are not generally made up out of close personal friends. They are selected for their individual abilities in the field. Yes they form a coherent team, but not to the extent that SG1 have been portrayed. SAS teams are put together from a pool of soldiers. Many of them will have served together on missions but they may not be a regular team. ALL soldiers are socialised to work as a team, it's the one thing which is drummed into you from the outset of recruit training. ALL soldiers are taught to watch each others backs whether they know each other or not.

I went on a brick (four man patrol) once through the streets of Belfast, I didn't know any of these guys from Adam, but because of theirs and my training, I trusted them to watch my back. Even in a regular platoon, yes you make friendships, very often close friendships, but sometimes people get killed and then the platoon member is replaced with another and life moves on. Whoever is the replacement you have to hope that they will watch your back the way you would watch theirs.

There is nothing emotional or personal about the military machine Hatshepsut. You may feel emotional about an individual in the team but at the end of the day, when your commanding officers say 'jump' you say 'how high?'. SG1 will be expected by their CO to do just that with whoever might replace Daniel. Jack would be consulted as the leader of the team, but ultimately it would be General Hammond's call and he would have to be practical. As the General Officer Commanding a base like SGC he cannot be seen to be dictated to by his emotions or by the emotions of his staff.

I do realise that the show is not real life, but if they want to have the sanction of the USAF then they would have to at least pay lip service to reality in the military.

Of course, in REAL real life, Jonas Quinn and Teal'c would not be allowed to wander around doing ANYTHING classified, nor would Cassandra have been allowed to be adopted by Dr Frasier. These people come from other planets for god's sake, do you really think that the paranoid US government would let them do what they want here? I really don't think so.

They would be held in some secure facility and interrogated extensively, as Adrian the Goa'uld was.

Hi Anni, I like what you said. It's a very thin line between realistic storytelling and entertainment, I guess the producers are constantly juggling with that.

I am looking forward to some new blood in the team, I'm always in favour of anything that may add a new angle or dynamic to a show I've grown to know well. I liked the character of Daniel Jackson, but he's as good as lost now and I had my little weep during Meridian, so I'm happy to wait and see who's gonna be the new angle.
I hadn't realised that it was this Jonas Quinn guy until I stumbled across this thread. If he's the guy who was in Meridian and flashed a stunning smile at SG1 when he met them, then he already has one fan. I'm looking forward to seeing him join the team and am curious to see how they write him. The producers haven't let us down yet and don't expect them to now that Michael Shanks has chosen to leave the show.
That's my fourpenneth, who's next?

Originally posted by Anni As I said before..... perhaps it might be better to think of him as a entirely new character and not Daniel's replacement.
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Well now, as regards Jonas Quinn's *not* being Daniel's replacement, S.G.1 is now one person short. Whoever becomes the fourth member of the team is, by definition, a replacement for Dr. Jackson.

With respect, Anni, I don't really think it's possible to think of him as an entirely new character; he already has a track record and not a very good one at that.

So far, in order to preserve his own reputation and despite being fully aware of the truth, he was dishonourably prepared to collude in the blackguarding of Daniel's reputation. He left it to Daniel to do what needed to be done to save millions of lives. Granted that if Daniel hadn't acted as he did, he'd have been dead anyway in the ensuing explosion, but sonny boy took no action even for his own people. He was also quite prepared to remain stumm and let Danny take the rap for the damage to the lab, until Jack made it clear that he, for one, wasn't fooled, indeed was seriously unimpressed.

Quinn then betrayed his people by stealing some Naquadrium and did a runner to Earth - for what purpose? Is he so naÃ¯ve as to think he can buy American gratitude with his gift of stolen property? Has he not thought sufficiently far ahead to realize that when his people discover the loss of their Naquadrium, it's highly likely to cause diplomatic embarrassment for the American Government, which may find itself obliged to return the stolen property anyway? That naÃ¯vity and inability to think through the ramifications of one's actions are not desirable qualities in a member of S.G.C.'s flagship team. Furthermore, he comes from a world even more â€˜primitive' than the Tau'ri.

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LOL! No way, Anni Wouldn't dream of it, truly. I have nothing against the military and have the greatest admiration for anyone who goes bricking in the streets of Belfast; a pretty thankless task, I would imagine.

That said, I don't think we're comparing like with like here, given that the brief of the Stargate Project was to explore unknown worlds, assess any risk to Earth, set up diplomatic relations where appropriate and bring back technology by which Earth - or the U.S.A. anyway - would benefit. I think N. Ireland's been pretty well explored by now and the natives mostly speak English

Initially, Dr. Jackson, a civilian, was included for his expertise in hieroglyphics without which, they would have been unable to return home. B.T.W., when and why did Colonel O'Neill leave the Marines and join the U.S.A.F.? It's a pity they don't have the same ranks as the R.A.F. â€˜Group Captain O'Neill' sounds much better, not to mention â€˜Wing Commander Carter'

But I digress In that its activities are mostly off-world - or should be - S.G. 1 has a unique role and as such, different rules apply. Teal'c has been included because of his special knowledge of a serious enemy. He has earned his place in that he risked his own life in rescuing S.G. 1 and the Abydonians. That was not a spur of the moment decision but something he had been considering for many years; he took the first viable opportunity that offered to take up arms against the â€˜false gods.'

I take your point about there being nothing emotional or personal about the military machine, and perhaps the fact that Daniel had been a good friend as well as a reliable team member for the past 5 years was a bit of a red herring, obscuring the fact that, as you say, General Hammond would have had the final say in whoever moves into Daniel's place on S.G.1. However, as the good general is no man's fool and is fully aware of the kind of man Jonas Quinn has shown himself to be, then with no emotional or personal bias, he would strictly veto his inclusion in S.G.1.

Hmph. â€˜Jonas' Quinn? A couple of letters wrong there. I say, give him his 30 pieces of silver and send him packing...

Gosh......... I guess you don't like him then! LOL. I have to respect your opinion, and I see where you are coming from. At least you dislike him for good reasons and not just because he is Daniel's potential replacement"

I say potential because, like you, I think he has committed too many faux pas (shall we say?) to be readily accepted as a member of the SGC or SG1. If he is to become one, then he'll have to prove himself to Jack and Hammond.

If the producers really wanted to present a replacement for Daniel then they sure have a strange way of doing it. Unless of course they are trying to say that he is flawed but will be all the better a team member for having to work hard for their respect.

I don't know. Maybe their thinking is flawed. Perhaps they think we'll all be taken in by his boyish good looks or something. Perhaps they really do think we're all as shallow and brainless as that.

Btw Mish......he does have quite a nice smile. But I think he may need more than that to convince many of the viewers!

Originally posted by Anni Gosh......... I guess you don't like him then! LOL.
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<G> I think he's a thoroughly disreputable character, the more so for the smarmy smile - unctuous - would make a good Uriah Heep! I've nothing against the actor (whom I'd never heard of before) except that I think he was a bit of a clot to take the part in the first place. It's a dirty job... Maybe he's desperate for those 30 pieces of silver? :evil:
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Oh good. You're not the only one who goes in fear of decapitation round here
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And I don't really see how he can pull the wool over their eyes; they're both pretty experienced at personality appraisal.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------I don't know. Maybe their thinking is flawed. Perhaps they think we'll all be taken in by his boyish good looks or something. Perhaps they really do think we're all as shallow and brainless as that.
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Yes. Insulting isn't?! :angryfire

Personally, I think T.P.T.B. have cocked up big time here. Jonas Quinn isn't the only short-sighted one when it comes to thinking through the ramifications of the plot. All they had to do was write Daniel out as receiving an offer he couldn't refuse in a diplomatic/academic capacity. No problems. He could have come and gone as the scriptwriters chose. His departure would still have been much regretted, but they would at least have circumvented the wailing and gnashing of teeth... <g>

Or maybe it was deliberate - a cynical ploy to whip up interest in the show...? If so, they seem to have got it in spades. What do you think?

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:

P.S. Joe Mallozzi seems to have been doing the rounds of the newsgroups, posting damage limitation messages after the Salon article. So I p.m.-ed him and he replied - which was quite a surprise (assuming it really was J.M.) . I have replied with similar observations to the above about Jonas Quinn and issued a challenge: If he really thinks we'll believe S.G.1 + General Hammond would accept such an undesirable unknown as a member of the team, then take me on as a scriptwriter for series 6 - which I'm quite prepared to do, incidentally. I shall be very much surprised if I do hear from him again, but I sincerely hope the parallel might give him something to think about... (again assuming it really was J.M.)
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