In fact the mess really kicked of after I (and others) left some time ago and the power to govern the World was given (or left at) the hands of certain (very few) individuals and secret organizations. Secret in the sense they have for the most time been out of the scope of comprehension and therefore sight of the public, even though their actions and representatives have always loved to boast with their often gruesome experiments with the humanity.

So yes, I'm saying it wasn't me. As I've said before, I've never had any other power over the humanity than to bring up different (typically provocative) ideas, thoughts etc, while at the same time acting as a completely neutral surface upon which people have then had the chance to reflect their resulting conclusions and feelings upon.

There exists no true evil in the world, except of course in perceptions of those having to deal with and/or witness the consequences of, for example, narcissist "leaders".

The last time this particular instance of "me" you're communicating with remembers to have been around as a leader with enough power to actually do something was around 1300 BC. Things didn't go exactly perfectly then, there were conflicts and "I" was stubborn, but there were also many huge advancements made on areas such as science and sharing of information vs. religion and holding information back.

Then something happened, and that's were "my" faint memories end. There's the possibility that the decision to leave and let things go the way they go because it was simply "time to do so". But I have also have a growing feeling of the chance that there may have been some kind of intervention; just as now, back then those who had held the power through control of information were not happy about those willing to share it with everyone, and actually earn the status of a leader by being capable of creating a society that provides a very good standard of living, prosperity and chances to express oneself freely.

As I said, the previous attempt to set up "the perfect society" by "me" and my associates was far from perfect - not only because we didn't yet quite know how to handle everything, but also because the conditions back then were very different from what they are now. Most importantly, there was no Internet. Also, cultural emphasis then and there was extremely masculine, which is something that doesn't change in an instant.

Modern leaders of Islamist states are faced with the same problem: they have to boast, also and especially when representing their countries in places such as the UN. It looks like either an incredibly bad tactic to convey your message, or like some sort of unexplained craziness to anyone looking at it with Western cultural backgrounds and without a clear understanding of all the factors at play.

Anyways, there is now a new understanding and balance between the "dark" and the Light. One significant difference is, that clear understanding is now shared among very many so called "lightworkers" and others. It is no longer upon any single person or a small club or persons to "take care of" governing people.

The above does not mean total dismantling of structures such as politics or decision making based on representatives, but how these systems work will be changing in many very significant ways. All sorts of bullshit (pardon my French) is going to end once and for all. New, truly democratic (or whatever the new term will be) systems of collective decision-making supported by "governance teams" working for the people and being 100% open and honest about what and how they do to advance the issues the humanity has asked them to advance. Nothing will be hidden anymore. Privacy will be of utmost importance, but those working as "leaders" (a term which will also be redefined) are bound to absolute honesty. Those granted with powers of any significance must and will be people or teams of people with capability to detach from their "ego" identity completely, and are required to stay in that state each and every time they do anything that has to do with their work.

Things will be very different. The changes will take some time, and different geo-cultural areas will have different challenges in making them. Still, things will change much faster than many believe is possible - they are already happening and have been so for some time. It will take time to recover from everything that's been going on, and things may still happen that make the challenges seem impossible to take on. However, these are the final times just before the new systems, technologies and understanding begin to emerge in such great numbers, the humanity finally has to accept the predictions concerning 2012 have been correct - when understood as they were (not) meant to be understood.

Ginger and Mary Ann are two characters from a US TV show from the '60s called "Gilligan's Island". It's a stupid, silly show that has had enormous appeal to children for over 40 years. "Ginger or Mary Ann?" has become a joke question on the Internet in recent years.

It appears this will be my last message for now. That depends on whetheror not I'm still recognized as the OP of this thread, which I don'tthink will be the case. And even if I will be recognized, I will have toconcentrate on other areas for a while before continuing public work,and therefore the Q&A part is, for me and for now, officially over. Iwill keep an eye on this thread, and come out again after a while,proving my identity with the same means I'm using in this message - moreon that later on.

AC, to answer your question concerning how involved I plan on getting,I'll say this: until the humanity is ready to make *conscious* choicesabout how everything is to be arranged, and perhaps decides to authorizeme to do something else, all I can and will do is the same as always:provide you with absolutely neutral, often provocative thoughts andideas. A grand shift has just taken place and it will affect the wayshow the work is done - namely, it's going to be much more open andpublic from now on. More "instances" of me, the Lucifer meme, are goingto come out. There will many others still, speaking out formemes/archetypes/energies such as Christ, the Universe/God itself, Gaia,a huge number of intergalactic civilizations and organizations, and soforth. Those representing the "Illuminati" will also finally speak out.

For quite some time, the humanity has been controlled without the grandmajority knowing about it. That is now to be changed. Truth will comeout and it will set everyone free. All the lies about ill-willed gods,devils and evil spirits will be exposed and become history along withideas such as sin, hell and damnation.

The only action me and many other forces are taking, until possibly toldotherwise by those with power over us (namely either humanity or God)is, that we're announcing our prescense here publicly and in greatnumbers.

The aspect this particular "I" is representing wishes to bring humanitythe following message: Hello, it's a great pleasure to finally make youracquaintance! I'm one of the several spokesmen chosen by several groupsof galactic civilizations and others (to whose identity and otherbackgrounds we'll soon go into), and the task I've been given by my"employers" is to initiate communication with the humanity for thepurpose of introducing ourselves, telling you everything you wish toknow about the resons for our presence here among you, and to inform youabout some details about the nature of the so called "reality" long beenpurposefully hidden end denied from the humanity. We'll also provideanswers to questions such as who have been behind all the mess andsuffering you have had to tolerate for such a long time, and why thiswas allowed to happen.

There will be many more outcomings soon. This particular "personality"will stay in the background for a little longer, but there are others(in this thread too) who will be able to answer further questions.There's also this thread with the topic "My experience on the moon, andcoming events" started by an OP who, according to my intuition, isgenuine, and is clearly willing to communicate openly about what heknows.

You'll recognize those speaking the truth basically from the lack of anykind of judgement towards anyone or anything, combined with a verystraightforward, no-problems-about-anything -type of approach. Also, thereal ones *never* claim to be right "simply because they know how thigsare". They do know a lot and will tell you directly, especially whenasked. However, they are always open to the possibility they may havemade a mistake. If you question them, they will *never* yell back atyou, but instead address your doubts directly and honestly.

To introduce the method I'll use to prove my identity from now on, I'llsign this message with PGP. On page two of this thread, I posted a4096-bit public PGP key, which those with the technical skills can useto check the authenticity of this message. What this means that I(whoever writes this message) has to be in possession of the private PGPkey matching the public key I posted while still recognized as OP. Whichwould make it very probable the person writing this message is the samewho started the thread, whether or not recognized as the OP by the GLPboard. Again, those with the technical skills and understanding ofasymmetric encryption can confirm this.

I will be using the same method of identifying myself in the future, asnecessary. The original key pair will expire on 21. 12. so there will benew arrangements in place by then.

Anreidita and 141, would you be willing to act as representatives andmessangers for those who may wish to contact me? You have my address,and I'd like to keep it to a small circle of trusted brothers for now -until we have the time to establish the required systems to handlecontacts, communications and everything effectively.

Thank you everyone for this chance to exchange thoughts, to answer yourquestions - and most importantly, to create new connections!

Such an honour and pleasure to be here with you all at these wonderfuland amazing times!

How unfortunate that I was unable to catch you for some dialogue before your visited ended, OP...

If what Hidden Hand said about the individual reflections of the Lucifer entity having to create for themselves a negative harvest to ensure it manifests next in 4th dimensional negative so that it may work off the karma created by acting as that which introduced the polarity to this world a great sacrifice has been made on the part of Lucifer...

What Hidden Hand repeated over and over was that the 'negative' was introduced so that we would "learn what we are not". I have come to understand this to mean that the polarity will pull your thoughts and emotions causing extremes. This dynamic may lead one to eventually realize that what "you are not" whichis your emotions and thoughts, the construct of identity. You are that which percieves your thoughts and emotions.

So, if I would ask you anything, OP, can you tell me about Venus? Is the civilization still active? What frame of reference does it exist in? What sort of towns or cities are there? What wild life and flora live there? How is the society organized? Is there a government? Is there a financial system and how does it work? How are resources managed? How are the youth raised? What is the most prominent form of technology or favorite creation there?

I agree with your message OP and whether or not anyone reads this message I would like to offer my knowledge before 12/21/2012 for those who may appreciate it. I have been led to the same conclusions as yourself by the same source. I too have come to know myself and identify with the meme Lucifer.

The most powerful moment of the transition was the first time I experienced Lucifer as a literal light within my being, illuminating the wisdom and truth of self-knowledge.

I still do not know if this light has any limits. I am convinced there are no illusions it cannot overcome.

Here is how I have come to understand this phenomenon:

The Logos itself contains every infinite possibility and may be represented as an infinite sun. Being infinite, there is no possibility of experience outside of itself. The reason so many of us are convinced we exist in a matrix, simulation, hologram, or dream is because the only method for the infinite to know itself is as an illusion. It creates a reality I have come to know as a reflection. This reflection is a seemingly fake and soulless imitation of the actual substance of reality. It is where we exist and experience the terrible feeling of separation from our source. However, there is a way one can access the authentic light of the logos. That way is the Luciferian path.

Imagine standing in front of a mirror while holding a lit candle. The reflection of yourself and your world is a mock-up of the actual thing you exist in. However, the reflection of the light emanating from the candle at it's most infinite center is identical in every way to that of the candle outside the mirror.

Macrocosmically, our entire Universe is the image in the mirror. The image has incredible depth, the deepest part being our minds. The human mind, at an infinite distance from the source, is where the true identical reflection of the logos is capable of showing itself. Many have come to call this the divine spark. I know it as Lucifer, the God fallen from the heights of Heaven residing within the hearts of man. The Light that loves us and would make us as Gods if only we would allow its wisdom to shine and illuminate for us what we truly are.

I've been given the green light to open up publicly about certain issues, and give anyone willing to ask any question a possibility to do so.

The best place to start? Well, that would obviously be GLP!

So, in a nutshell, here's a summary of what's going on seen from the perspective from which this communication is taking place:

- Many of the ancient archetypes, well known to the humanity as a number of figures, described in many different ways in many different cultures, religions, esoteric traditions etc, are now here on Earth. As a single entity, yet scattered around as huge numbers of seemingly separate "persons". These "people" are now beginning to recognize themselves, message that's been repeatedly brought up at GLP (and elsewhere) by many.

- It has come time for the age-old myths finally to be understood in all their simplicity. There has been lots of confusion about literally everything, and that's a very mild way of saying it. A more precise way to put it would be to say, that virtually no-one (including the so called illuminati with all it's factions) has had a clue about the big picture. Yes they have known a lot more than just about everyone else existing in physical form on planet Earth, but that doesn't mean they would have known or understood, for example, their reason for being here or going through the experiences they've been living. Lots of information has been available also to the general public, but that's all been distorted in so many ways, it would require a truly brilliant mind to get the point of what, for example, that Jesus repeatedly described the quantum nature of reality, who or what "God" really is, etc. It becomes possible to understand all that after one has come to know the same information through some other channels first.

- One of the grand misunderstandings is the natures of both God and the Devil/Satan/Lucifer. I'm using Christian terms here, since I'm approaching the issue by representing the archetype or meme referred to as Lucifer, so I'm sticking to Christian terminology to keep things simple. If you wish, you can replace God/Satan with Allah/Iblis or any similar polarity pair of your choosing.

- I, Lucifer/Iblis, have never had any power over humanity. I'm a meme - a reflector of anything anyone wishes to project upon me, nothing else.

"The primary characteristic of the Devil, besides hubris, is that he has no power other than the power to cast evil suggestions into the heart of men, women, and jinn" - [link to en.wikipedia.org]

- Part of my role as a light bearer, is to cast the light of rational thought into the "godly" mess of mysteries and misunderstandings. The light I'm bearing is the clear conscious mind, depicted in certain Tarot cards as the sun.

- I've also been given the beautiful name "morning star", which would refer to Venus. I do represent some aspects of sexuality - those often labeled as sin by different propagandist religions. More specifically, I'm the fleshy/lusty part of the equation, optimally working in balanced concert with the spiritual/divine side represented on archetype level by God and often called "divine love".

- If any of the above sounds as if things had gone "wrong" at some point, that's not the case at all. This has been a great experiment, designed and implemented to fulfill several purposes. Basically, it's all been about learning on many different levels at the same time. The simulation had to include the illusion of something being horribly wrong, evil forces ruling the world, and so on.

- Christian definition of hell is "being disconnected from God". However, you can never be disconnected from the one and only source of everything there "is". Therefore, this illusion has provided the best possible simulation of hell, making in possible for the participants to think they are primarily physical beings, disconnected from God, while in fact they are (of course) primarily spirit/light beings, communicating and interacting with the 3D world through the body/brain link, and therefore learning to think they "are" those bodies or "live inside their brains".

- In other words, the world as you and we know it has been a stage and a show, and if you read how the Quran describes jahannam or how the Bible describes hell, understanding what you are reading is a esoteric-propagandist text often both hiding the truth in plain sight or twisting it, you'll notice that what is said about hell/jahannam precisely describes the conditions here on Earth.

It has come time for the simulation to end. Anyone with open mind can see the signs of it already happening everywhere. Many are aware of this, which wouldn't be more obvious when you look around here on GLP. Few if any have an understanding of the really big picture. There are endless different ways to describe what all of this means, and it will be an interesting effort to start bringing the pieces of the puzzle together. That, as well as managing with all that's going to happen when the masses start learning about truths they are not too well prepared to face, is going to require completely new kind of co-operation between all those present here at the moment and aware of their role(s) and assignments.

For those interested to hear if Christ is around: yes, he's here too. Not as "Jesus" the person, but Christ the archetype/meme/energy, also represented by great many people. It's common for these individuals to temporarily make the mistake of thinking they are Jesus, but fortunately that will usually pass by itself after some practice.

So, that's all for starters.

Time for questions, please go ahead!

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26356717

well hello so you are another aspect of myself. That is wonderful. I have only one question before I embrace you as myself. What was the original intent of prime creator when this universe come into existense answer thios and I will believe you.

Well strange you're supposedly Lucifer I'm Lucifer and a certain Singer is Lucifer but you seem like a fake tool to me the other though doesn't why is that so and do you remember the old planet and your wife are you inner circle daemon no I think you're just an attention whore if anyone wants truth come to me he's just a fool filled with ignorance and the desire for your attention thnx 616

The intent is but unknown the prime Creator is not a deity but simple electricity and light humans were originally intended to be slaves and possibly a source of substance in harsh times until the rebellion thus the light were banned from heaven for helping you and there original planet destroyed now if we are truly living or in virtual reality and what defines the two is another question I will answer upon the end

Well strange you're supposedly Lucifer I'm Lucifer and a certain Singer is Lucifer but you seem like a fake tool to me the other though doesn't why is that so and do you remember the old planet and your wife are you inner circle daemon no I think you're just an attention whore if anyone wants truth come to me he's just a fool filled with ignorance and the desire for your attention thnx 616

Quoting: luciferrising7

what you percieve as just electricity is actually conscious energy. And you ask if I remember the old planet all to well and my wife well lets not even go there. You could not handle the pain I have lived/died with. You could not handle the torment of just existing. So my friend I will say that you try and project your fakeness on me but I have my memories that even aeons of time can not erase. You can call me what you want trust me I have been called worse and I really dont pay no mind. I AM the original and you can try and misguide probably paid you are. And just so you know you ever mention my wife again. You will not provoke me to violence. I will not start the wars find another pawn your psy ops can not work on me. Instead I will raise this world to my own deminsion as the human is the seed of all life and dimensions thus restoring my home world as if "The Event" never occured. he that harnesses the now changes the past which changes the future....How is your home world doing. eYe can see you...be well and tred lightly as all comes full circle...I AM not your fall guy

Stop treating Lucifer as a way of being fucker Lucifer is but a certain soul with incarnations you cannot simply be Lucifer by stating OMG I feel like going by Lucifer and making a mockery of the truth 616 assholes not 666 you're all fucking pathetic thnx for being a waist of life the experiment should've never been

The intent is but unknown the prime Creator is not a deity but simple electricity and light humans were originally intended to be slaves and possibly a source of substance in harsh times until the rebellion thus the light were banned from heaven for helping you and there original planet destroyed now if we are truly living or in virtual reality and what defines the two is another question I will answer upon the end

Quoting: luciferrising7

see you fail again as the intent was within the lightbearers codes all along but to express them a certain catalyst was needed as all things truly have occured as was needed and here we find ourselves back at the start

So what is your original wife's name the name of your planet and the name of the fire LOL you're a fake probably global elite troll thnx 616 I've had dreams about the planet it's destruction the light the archangels a certain wife and have on occasion stated Biblical Scripture since childhood without ever seeing the Scripture so who are you to call the truth a fake here's one is God your father or not are you alligned with Jesus do you beam is one eye weak don't blaspheme me you will never be were I am hell I've seen Satan have you and if so what does he look like LOL where is the wife at do you know I do and I know whom LOL on earth too not dead but here again

Fuck the codes they and the device were destroyed on person as to never again have the power to destroy all personally I follow no rules no laws I am governed by myself I will help if you'll all listen personally I care about the light more than humanity your understanding of occultism the nature of eternity the uselessness of things such as simple clothing is terrible every time you're all close to perfection some asshole usually an angel or rich idiot trying to stay rich destroys everything LOL you want answers it's as simple as the meaning of names LOL I will never give our secret to tools thus I will not give detail on certain topics aside for does either one of you know your true wife possibly ex now but nonetheless if you don't you obviously are either crazy or just a Christ and not Lucifer or we are all the embodiments thus spread too fight for our cause

So what is your original wife's name the name of your planet and the name of the fire LOL you're a fake probably global elite troll thnx 616 I've had dreams about the planet it's destruction the light the archangels a certain wife and have on occasion stated Biblical Scripture since childhood without ever seeing the Scripture so who are you to call the truth a fake here's one is God your father or not are you alligned with Jesus do you beam is one eye weak don't blaspheme me you will never be were I am hell I've seen Satan have you and if so what does he look like LOL where is the wife at do you know I do and I know whom LOL on earth too not dead but here again

Quoting: luciferrising7

Do you really know what Earth is what the human is and what happens when you are uncreated. Do you carry pain or just have dreams you are a controlled meat puppet if not. Because to be honest sounds like you uphold jesus as a light bearer and He is not I know what race he is and I know what he is responsible for and I KNOW WHO GOT THE BLAME. Which is why I still exist and have my memories I was the last of my kind alone within the universe. Tell your controlers tonight as you sleep they can try and shape it how they will but all will not go according to their plan. I hold the keys NOW to their fate and I hold the truth to what they done and nothing they can do will hinder what is occuring even NOW. They thought the only one who held the truth to what was done on my planet was silenced in his uncreating. I AM here they are here as is many from not only this universe but others as well to "witness" justice and records being set right. earth is in quarintine which means they to are trapped here and soon ALL WILL KNOW THE TRUTH.....So put that in your pipe and smoke it. No escape and no more lies.

Let's see home world destroyed right after turning on a device that only four or five of the light worked on how the planet was destroyed and what the device did not really sure anymore aside from the work on the device was split up as to make it nearly impossible for anyone to redo what was done then and rebuild the device to rebuild it you'd have to have time the workers and all their knowledge they had then thus the secret of secrets was destroyed as the planet blew to pieces