That's a great way to head into the break, now Moe needs to go get us a starter.

Yeah, awesome way to end the first half. I'd like a reliever too. Unfortunately though, the rumor is that we're interested in Fuentes. So, I guess I should rephrase this. I'd like a reliever that doesn't suck more than our current relievers.

That's a great way to head into the break, now Moe needs to go get us a starter.

Yeah, awesome way to end the first half. I'd like a reliever too. Unfortunately though, the rumor is that we're interested in Fuentes. So, I guess I should rephrase this. I'd like a reliever that doesn't suck more than our current relievers.

The reason I said starter is then they will move Joe Kelly into the pen.

Cards call up Trevor Rosenthal, move Garcia to 60-day DL (to make room on 40 man roster), and option Cleto to Memphis. Pretty interesting move for a few reasons.

1. Rosenthal wasn't on 40 man roster. When Garcia is healthy again (if), we have to DFA somebody which almost certainly means release.

2. Rosenthal had never pitched above AA. Position players make that jump ~frequently if they are top prospects. Very rare for pitchers.

3. This could be the precursor of a blockbuster deal. I don't really see it, but I've heard it suggested that this could be the Cards trying to find out what they have in Rosenthal so they know if they can trade one of our top 3 SP prospects (Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal). Most people who think that's what this means think it would be Miller on the block. I'm not sure I buy into that, but that's an interesting idea.

cardsfan04 wrote:Cards call up Trevor Rosenthal, move Garcia to 60-day DL (to make room on 40 man roster), and option Cleto to Memphis. Pretty interesting move for a few reasons.

1. Rosenthal wasn't on 40 man roster. When Garcia is healthy again (if), we have to DFA somebody which almost certainly means release.

2. Rosenthal had never pitched above AA. Position players make that jump ~frequently if they are top prospects. Very rare for pitchers.

3. This could be the precursor of a blockbuster deal. I don't really see it, but I've heard it suggested that this could be the Cards trying to find out what they have in Rosenthal so they know if they can trade one of our top 3 SP prospects (Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal). Most people who think that's what this means think it would be Miller on the block. I'm not sure I buy into that, but that's an interesting idea.

Definitely interesting. I was surprised Miller didn't get the call but I trust what the Cardinals are doing.

Also, what a huge come from behind win last night. I didn't have a chance to watch much but saw they were down late. I gave up on them, woke up this morning and slapped on the highlights before work and was pleasantly surprised to see the win. That's huge if you ask me. It's not a must win by any means but to start 0-4 on the road trip would be a blow coming against division foes. Definitely a good pick-me-up win.

dmiles2186 wrote:Also, what a huge come from behind win last night. I didn't have a chance to watch much but saw they were down late. I gave up on them, woke up this morning and slapped on the highlights before work and was pleasantly surprised to see the win. That's huge if you ask me. It's not a must win by any means but to start 0-4 on the road trip would be a blow coming against division foes. Definitely a good pick-me-up win.

Well Holiday came up with a two out two run double in the bottom of the ninth only to have the entire 'twitterverse' remind everyone how HORRIBLE he is.

That has been one positive effect of social media.......the 'worlds best baseball fans' have been exposed as quite possible the 'wolds dumbest baseball fans' and they sit there in their Bo Heart jersey and their stick on red goatee explaining to all that will listen just how bad Holiday is.

cardsfan04 wrote:Cards call up Trevor Rosenthal, move Garcia to 60-day DL (to make room on 40 man roster), and option Cleto to Memphis. Pretty interesting move for a few reasons.

1. Rosenthal wasn't on 40 man roster. When Garcia is healthy again (if), we have to DFA somebody which almost certainly means release.

2. Rosenthal had never pitched above AA. Position players make that jump ~frequently if they are top prospects. Very rare for pitchers.

3. This could be the precursor of a blockbuster deal. I don't really see it, but I've heard it suggested that this could be the Cards trying to find out what they have in Rosenthal so they know if they can trade one of our top 3 SP prospects (Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal). Most people who think that's what this means think it would be Miller on the block. I'm not sure I buy into that, but that's an interesting idea.

Definitely interesting. I was surprised Miller didn't get the call but I trust what the Cardinals are doing.

Also, what a huge come from behind win last night. I didn't have a chance to watch much but saw they were down late. I gave up on them, woke up this morning and slapped on the highlights before work and was pleasantly surprised to see the win. That's huge if you ask me. It's not a must win by any means but to start 0-4 on the road trip would be a blow coming against division foes. Definitely a good pick-me-up win.

Miller has had a pretty bad year in AAA so far, so I'd be surprised to see him this year before September (and that's probably not a given if he doesn't turn things around).

Agree on that being a big win. So huge to come from behind in the 9th like that after the bats had been absent the rest of the game. Our first hit with a runner on base came in the 9th. That can't happen. But, a win is a win. Nice to see the comeback.

dmiles2186 wrote:Also, what a huge come from behind win last night. I didn't have a chance to watch much but saw they were down late. I gave up on them, woke up this morning and slapped on the highlights before work and was pleasantly surprised to see the win. That's huge if you ask me. It's not a must win by any means but to start 0-4 on the road trip would be a blow coming against division foes. Definitely a good pick-me-up win.

Well Holiday came up with a two out two run double in the bottom of the ninth only to have the entire 'twitterverse' remind everyone how HORRIBLE he is.

That has been one positive effect of social media.......the 'worlds best baseball fans' have been exposed as quite possible the 'wolds dumbest baseball fans' and they sit there in their Bo Heart jersey and their stick on red goatee explaining to all that will listen just how bad Holiday is.

Yeah, that's my biggest pet peeve about fans right now. Holliday is a top 5 hitter in the national league. He is a sicko who had a bad 12 games to start the season and made an error in an inopportune time (against the Dodgers in the NLDS in 2009). People seem to remember the bad, but don't seem to understand that his Cardinal numbers are better than his career numbers. He has an OPS of .930 as a Cardinal versus .927 for his career.

This year, despite a terrible first 2 weeks and mediocre 2-3 weeks following that, he has somehow managed to OPS .905. That's REALLY good, especially given his bad start. When people call him bad, I immediately know that they know less about baseball than I do about hockey lol.

dmiles2186 wrote:Also, what a huge come from behind win last night. I didn't have a chance to watch much but saw they were down late. I gave up on them, woke up this morning and slapped on the highlights before work and was pleasantly surprised to see the win. That's huge if you ask me. It's not a must win by any means but to start 0-4 on the road trip would be a blow coming against division foes. Definitely a good pick-me-up win.

Well Holiday came up with a two out two run double in the bottom of the ninth only to have the entire 'twitterverse' remind everyone how HORRIBLE he is.

That has been one positive effect of social media.......the 'worlds best baseball fans' have been exposed as quite possible the 'wolds dumbest baseball fans' and they sit there in their Bo Heart jersey and their stick on red goatee explaining to all that will listen just how bad Holiday is.

Yeah, that's my biggest pet peeve about fans right now. Holliday is a top 5 hitter in the national league. He is a sicko who had a bad 12 games to start the season and made an error in an inopportune time (against the Dodgers in the NLDS in 2009). People seem to remember the bad, but don't seem to understand that his Cardinal numbers are better than his career numbers. He has an OPS of .930 as a Cardinal versus .927 for his career.

This year, despite a terrible first 2 weeks and mediocre 2-3 weeks following that, he has somehow managed to OPS .905. That's REALLY good, especially given his bad start. When people call him bad, I immediately know that they know less about baseball than I do about hockey lol.

I've never got the Holliday hate. I mean, I do to a degree, but I think that some Cardinals fans believe Holliday should come up and crack doubles/home runs every plate appearance. Truth be told, Pujols had some very rough and 'un-clutch' times for the Cardinals. But he also had outstanding seasons and signature moments--he was so good for so long it was easy to overlook his dips in production. Holliday is usually pretty steady and doesn't compile numbers in bunches.

I'm with you guys, the Cards fans who discount Holliday are out of their minds. He's one of the best players in the NL and this team really hasn't missed a beat offensively after losing the greatest hitter of the last decade.