Re: The pickup delusion.Open your eyes

he made some valid points.. I understand where he's coming from being that I had a lot of lays before every finding pick up (100+). However to say pick up doesn't work is one of the craziest things I have every read. There is a science to this...This a intersection where psychology, Sociology and reproduction meet. It focuses on human interaction. specifically human interaction between men and women. I've learned so many things from all the reading i have done on pick up. even fathered my own bastard style of doing things,The deviant method. As far a pick up goes, what it teaches is social interaction to those who are lacking. There can never be anything bad about that. Its absolutely not a waste of time. I fear legitscumbag is his own worst enemy. The guy who thinks he knows it all. you guys don't be discouraged by his post. He's full of shit. That being said I bet you anything I laid more girls than him. My score is 156. Still i recognize pick up for what it is, The merge between psychology and sociology . I respect and encourage all you PUA's to focus on the science behind pick up.

Re: The pickup delusion.Open your eyes

I on the other hand am far more interested in actually screwing girls.

I am glad that we can agree that that is a very simple and straight forward process.

Despite your personal feelings there are plenty of guys out there who just want to get laid and sites such as this are confusing those men into thinking that this is the best way to do that,which it isn't.So keep that in mind.

PUA is sold as "How to get laid" rather than as a "challenge".

I am not trying to fck up everybody's confidence I am simply letting them in on the facts so that they aren't damaged by PUA as many men have been.

There seems to be more of a interest around here in being some sort of ultimate ladies man instead of actually just getting laid.Do you see it?

More mental masterbation than actual sex with girls.

More about ego than getting a blowjob.

You do realize that girls hate that kind of behavior right?I'm sure they just love the fact that all they are is a "challenge" and you don't even care about having sex with them.

Also it seems to me that there are far more productive things to do with your time than pursue these "challenges".Get ting laid doesn't have to require tons of time and energy but it certainly can if you want to go about it in certain ways.Seems like it'd be more intelligent to say go workout or make money than chase girls.You know?

Paladin6596,

David X and Gunwitch proved looks don't matter?

Not quite sure what "proof" they had but I'm guessing it was pretty lacking.Feel free to share it if you like.

Good to hear we agree minus the looks part.

As for your common claim that "theres nothing wrong with learning confidence"-

Well thing is PUA doesn't teach you confidence.At best it gives you a very fake try hard sort of "confidence" that girls immediately see right through.

Real genuine confidence is not something you are going to obtain from PUA,sorry to tell you.

There are so many other infinitely better ways to do that out there.

There is nothing wrong with learning how to get laid but unfortunately
good,legitimate,effe ctive information on the subject is rare and hard to find.

PUA definitely does not fit that definition.

Tony Stark,

How is Pepper doing?

DeviantMethod,

"To say pickup doesn't work is one of the craziest things I have ever read."

What evidence is there to suggest that pickup actually works,beyond the fact of hitting on lots of girls and escalating on them until you run into one who just likes you and you sleep with?Do share it with us all please.If pickup "works" then you should be able to get any girl but anyone with a shred of common sense knows that isn't the case.

Are you really so foolish as to honestly believe that you can basically control a women through tactics and techniques into having sex with you?

"There is a science to this..."

So the science is that if you ask a girl an opinion opener she'll automatically be unable to stop herself from giving you a blowjob right?

Pick up teaches social interaction very poorly and often incorrectly.

For example,the PUA concept and teachings of being "alpha" is completely dead wrong but that is a story for another day.

There are so much better ways to learn social skills and ability than pickup.

Most men learning pickup often see a sharp decrease in their social skills rather than an increase.

It is not harmless like you say...it is very harmful to many men for various reasons.A major one being that it doesn't work and is incorrect.

I don't have to know it all to know that pickup is dumb.

156 girls?Do you have even one shred of evidence for your claim or do you just expect us to take your word for it?

If you had "100+ lays" already why would you even do pickup in the first place?

Re: The pickup delusion.Open your eyes

I didn't read through all of these pages but the OP is way off imo. Women do not think like men do. Women are emotional creatures. There is a lot of truth to the saying "men love with their eyes and women love with their ears." Men need to understand that in order see how looks aren't as important as most men think. With that in mind it is possible for an average looking guy to become attractive to beautiful women even if he did not initially catch her eye. Let me say that in a slightly different way. Even if she is not initially your type you can still get her interested in you if you know how to create certain feelings in her. I know this for a fact and so do most guys who have been doing this for a while.

I remember a guy complaining to me that only jerks get the hot women. I didn't say it but I remember thinking to myself "no, not just jerks but guys who have game. It's all about game and nothing else."

1. chat up girl/the introduction
2. Create intrigue and mystery
3. Create a space and or a wall between you and her(not being needy is part of it)
4. Pursue girl (in a non needy way ie you seem cool we should get together sometime).

Re: The pickup delusion.Open your eyes

That isn't to say that looks is the only way to get girls.Other factors matter too...but game isn't one of them.

if game isn't a factor in getting women, then how do ugly guys with no money still have success with women?

the answer is that character traits affect a woman's attraction, and good character traits can be created with enough practice.

So the science is that if you ask a girl an opinion opener she'll automatically be unable to stop herself from giving you a blowjob right?

getting girls will never be a "science". theirs a reason the "A" in pua stands for "artist"

arts are never exact, but with enough practice they can be more pleasing. think about it like learning to play guitar, you're not always going to hit every note just right, but with enough practice you certainly can sound better than you did when you first started.

I don't have to know it all to know that pickup is dumb.

I love how your greatest "evidence" degrading pick up is that it is "dumb" in some way. lol

give me real hard factual evidence that it doesn't work in any way shape or form to boost ones social success and I will forever give up pua. until then, stop trolling.

Re: The pickup delusion.Open your eyes

HAHA Firstly let me say There's few things I don't agree with as far as pick up go's.Like reusing lines, Phony personalities, The fact that you are forbidden to cheat. shit like that. That being said, I deviate from those things. I focus more on assessing a target properly creating ATTRACTION, Escalation and scoring bro. I'm more of a ross Jeffries, NLP and reading body language guy. But I do like pick up also. I view it as something great for the most part. At the very least you can find it helpful. Seems like you have something major against pick up.being that you are a site member just to shoot it down and troll others. Hey while believe you are entitled to your own opinion about PUA's, Let me remind you that your no one to say guys are wasting their time with pick up. They are putting in the work, learning and hopefully getting the return they want from it.
It cost nothing to be here. Every one is here to absorb knowledge present on the site except you. your here to scrutinize and demoralize those who are attempting to LEARN. ITS NOT ABOUT WHAT YOU AGREE WITH. I DONT AGREE WITH IT ALL, BUT THERE'S A TON OF USEFUL INFORMATION THAT WILL ACTUALLY GET YOU LAID. You should leave me alone with your GF and I will prove to you that pick up works. If i'm in my zone that day maybe you stand right there while me and your GF build some sexual Tension. Thats it isn't it!!!! Perhaps you are mad because someone PUA laid your GF. It make sense now.

FYI *** Deviant method isn't pick up bro its what I use to get laid. If you stay in the sack like you say, you'd understand that. Trust me its battle proven. It should be right up your alley cause it contain's no pick up lines at all. Its a list of things you can do on a date to get laid. If you stayed in the sack like you say you'd understand that. in closing I don't think your a troll. Your just a person who gave up. A sad angry quitter who craves attention.

Re: The pickup delusion.Open your eyes

"if game isn't a factor in getting women, then how do ugly guys with no money still have success with women?

the answer is that character traits affect a woman's attraction, and good character traits can be created with enough practice."

Ugly guys with no money/status don't get hot women.What planet are you living on bud?Apparently not the one called earth.

Go out and see for yourself sometime.Go out and observe women and what kind of guy they are with.You will find that most of the time it is a guy who is within her league clearly and they are a match.

What you won't see is hot girls with ugly broke men who have no statusand whose only attractive quality is their "game".

Yea a ugly guy who is broke can get laid but not with any girls you'd want to even touch with a ten foot pole.

These things I am saying are obvious and you can easily observe them everyday in the real world if you pay attention and I encourage you to do so.

I would love to see some examples from you of ugly broke men,especially ones with supposed "game" who are getting high quality hot women.

"I love how your greatest "evidence" degrading pick up is that it is "dumb" in some way. lol

give me real hard factual evidence that it doesn't work in any way shape or form to boost ones social success and I will forever give up pua. until then, stop trolling."

Reality is all the evidence I'm going to need.Maybe you should start paying attention to it instead of indulging in these bizarre theories about creating attraction.

You are asking me to disprove a theory that you are presenting as true when the burden of proof is in fact actually on you to prove it,not on me to disprove it.

This would be like if you said "I saw a purple alien yesterday".And I said "that's bullshit".Then you say "well can you 100% prove I didn't?".I say "No because I wasn't there".Then you say "well since you cannot disprove that,then I am therefore telling the truth".

Even despite that,if you want proof,just look around you at the real world.

How many hot girls have you slept with using game?I'm guessing none.How many guys do you know who have slept with hot girls using game?I'm guessing none again.

It's fine,you can post and tell me how I'm wrong and you've banged hot girls with game and your friends have too in order to save face on this forum.But you know the truth my friend.You can't lie to yourself.So ask yourself honestly,how well has this stuff worked for you personally?

If that isn't proof to you,your own personal experience that is,then it won't matter what I tell you because just like a religious nut you will basically believe what you want to believe no matter how clearly wrong you are.You will ignore all reason.

By the way I do in fact have hardcore factual evidence for my claims although I tried to post it and the mods shut it down since I can't post photos or outside links since I guess that makes it look like I came here to "advertise" something (which I didn't).

As in I myself and others actually have photos and even videos of us sleeping with hot girls.

Thing is we are good looking and don't use game.Unless you consider normal conversation and hitting on girls "game".

I don't want this helpful thread to be deleted so I am not going to try and post it a second time.

I already got banned from RSD nation and I did post photos under the username "clutch" to the simple pickup forum although that thread was swiftly deleted.

I am actually quite surprised this thread hasn't been canned.Much respect to the mods for letting it stay up and allowing controversial discussion.

"I focus more on assessing a Target properly creating ATTRACTION, Escalation and scoring bro. I'm more of a ross Jeffries, NLP and reading body language guy. But I do like pick up also."

I want to like you,DeviantMethod,an d you say some things that make sense but then you have to go off the deep end with the creating attraction stuff.

You do realize that is impossible?

Take out the garbage.All you need is the escalation and scoring part.The attraction is already there or not.

"But I do like pick up also. I view it as something great for the most part. At the very least you can find it helpful."

It's not harmless.It doesn't even help for starters but it can actually hurt you as well in many ways.

"Creating attraction" for example is a very damaging concept.When a girl rejects you,it must be because you didn't "create attraction".Not that she just simply wasn't available/interested.I could speak on why it's damaging for a long time but for simplicity's sake I'll leave it at that for now.

"Seems like you have something major against pick up.being that you are a site member just to shoot it down and troll others"

As an ex believer I do have something against it.Mainly that's it a scam and is a crock of crap that is useless and causes alot of long term problems for many of it's followers.Therefore I feel that giving men access to the truth is worth the time it takes to type these posts every once in awhile,along with wade through all the insecure defensive behavior of many of the posters here.

"Let me remind you that your no one to say guys are wasting their time with pick up.They are putting in the work, learning and hopefully getting the return they want from it.."

Yes I am.I have years of experience with it.They won't get the return they want.If they want to get laid,especially with high quality attractive women,there are much better ways.

E.g. become better looking,make good money,get status,get into a social group with hot girls in it,hire a hooker,etc.

cold approach pickup is one of the hardest ways to get laid,especially if your after beautiful high quality women.But PUA won't tell you that upfront.It's sold as how to get laid.

Also looks are huge in success at cold approach pickup,but PUAS won't tell you that either.Cause that hurts their bottomline.It's a scam.

"It cost nothing to be here. Every one is here to absorb knowledge present on the site except you. your here to scrutinize and demoralize those who are attempting to LEARN. ITS NOT ABOUT WHAT YOU AGREE WITH. I DONT AGREE WITH IT ALL, BUT THERE'S A TON OF USEFUL INFORMATION THAT WILL ACTUALLY GET YOU LAID."

Well it will most likely cost you to be here but as I said that's a long story.

I am here to simply present the truth to some men who are in need of it.If even a few men read this and wake up then that's enough.I am aware that most will unfortunately not.

If you find the truth "scrutinizing and demoralizing" then maybe that's a sign that what you believe in is wrong.

Learning is fine,just learn something that actually works and isn't a scam.

This information is not that great if you want to get laid.There are much better resources out there for that.

"You should leave me alone with your GF and I will prove to you that pick up works. If i'm in my zone that day maybe you stand right there while me and your GF build some sexual Tension. Thats it isn't it!!!! Perhaps you are mad because someone PUA laid your GF. It make sense now."

Yea.Come visit me sometime and show me.I find it funny that you said "if I'm in my zone that day".Apparently it only works if you are in the zone.

By the way building sexual tension is not the same as sleeping with a girl.