That album has such terrible production so as to make it basically unlistenable. However, search for live versions of Atoms For Peace, particularly circa 2009. They are fantastic shows, I can totally see why they tried to make an album, but Thom let that terrible The Eraser shit creep into the studio again, that same bullshit that almost ruined King of Limbs. Live King of Limbs is superb as well.

My God War Pain is epic. So few Los Angeles bands make it big (Doors, tool, Rage Against the Machine, Guns and Roses, System of a Down, Red Hot Chilli Peppers, Sublime, Weezer, technically Van Halen, Frank Zappa) though we have a lot of really great bands. A lot of great indie and niche bands have come from LA, but we have rarely had "scenes" like New York, Chicago, Memphis, or Seattle.

War Paint is part of our mid-2000s "scene". EVERY local band from Long Beach to Glendale, from Gardena to Culver City, from Silverlake to South Central, sounds like that. Chick vocals? Check. Dreary, ambient, shoegazish guitar work? Check. Dramatic drumwork? Check. Too much reverb? Check. Vocal harmonies? Check. Keyboard? Check. Its almost like our bands combined all of those above LA bands I mentioned with Mazzy Star to form some LA hybrid.

In my opinion tool is our greatest gift to music, and Rage Against the Machine could have been. The Doors? Shit. That is too trippy for the masses, but so is a lot of LA drug culture

My God War Pain is epic. So few Los Angeles bands make it big (Doors, tool, Rage Against the Machine, Guns and Roses, System of a Down, Red Hot Chilli Peppers, Sublime, Weezer, technically Van Halen, Frank Zappa) though we have a lot of really great bands. A lot of great indie and niche bands have come from LA, but we have rarely had "scenes" like New York, Chicago, Memphis, or Seattle.

War Paint is part of our mid-2000s "scene". EVERY local band from Long Beach to Glendale, from Gardena to Culver City, from Silverlake to South Central, sounds like that. Chick vocals? Check. Dreary, ambient, shoegazish guitar work? Check. Dramatic drumwork? Check. Too much reverb? Check. Vocal harmonies? Check. Keyboard? Check. Its almost like our bands combined all of those above LA bands I mentioned with Mazzy Star to form some LA hybrid.

In my opinion tool is our greatest gift to music, and Rage Against the Machine could have been. The Doors? Shit. That is too trippy for the masses, but so is a lot of LA drug culture

Whoah, really? You think Tool is LA's greatest gift to music?

What about the independent hip hop scene out there. Madlib and Peanut Butter Wolf/Stones Throw, FlyLo, etc? They're at least near enough to LA to consider it home.

I have avoided LA like the plague since the mid '90s. Last time I was there I flew threw, had a layover, caught an Angels game, and bounced the next morning. I have no interest in that city.

I have avoided LA like the plague since the mid '90s. Last time I was there I flew threw, had a layover, caught an Angels game, and bounced the next morning. I have no interest in that city.

If you went to an Angels game you most certainly weren't in Los Angeles, though give us time, we're taking over the OC too

You're smart to stay away, half of the ten million people who live here weren't born in LA. This city is a magnetic trap of a bizarre parallel dimension. You can't leave, or escape, shit, it doesn't even cross your mind that such a possibility exists. Does it? Sometimes you decide to leave, but then those plans become hazy, distant, and suddenly more like a foggy memory, a thought temporarily captured between sleeping and waking. Yes, stay away. You've been properly forewarned, if you come here for too long, you will never leave.