Re: Is it possible to legally secede from the U.S. and should pro-whites attempt it?

[quote=HardHawk;10645676][quote=Artemis Drake;10645554]

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Originally Posted by HardHawk

I will answer only one part of all you post, trying to counter act reality with emotion. But before I do this will make a statement to you and all who read this forum. I love my american brothers and sisters, the ones who proved to have their heart on the right place and have still honor and values us I understand them, and will fight side by side with them and die for them as I die for my own people. The old ways values about family and honor.

Yes they are cowards of the worst kind. Not because they fall in the trap of the zionist and fight for them and their agenda. But when you are where you end up been you have a choice and is ok when someone fool you once to allegedly commit the atrocities you committing around the world, but when you since 1990 continue do exactly the same acts only every day you do them in a worst more sophisticated way then there is no longer an excuse.

The saying most say as an excuse, they been under orders what was exactly the orders? To come in YOUR house rape and kill a whole family from children to 80year old? OR should we accept that they regret after the deed and some of them come out, mind you, only 2-3 of them to say that they are sorry? So when some one come rape and kill all your family and then say to you how sorry he is, you forgive him and is all handy dorry?

And this same troops is the ones you think will defend you because you happen to be white? And they are not cowards?

Let me ask you a very serious question. Why are you defending them? And if you do, also you approve their actions and the fact that they go and genocide whole nations on behalf of the zionist and eventually they come and take you out as well? because have no doubt after awhile when you are an animal and one who value a childs life as far to rape and kill it, it dont matter if it is white or black or yellow. After awhile is all the same for Them. I have faced enough of this animals, at the end of my barrel to know.

So my friend? take all the offense you want with me but also have the respect or self respect to answer my question because when you defend an abomination walking on earth, who does the dirty work of his masters then where this leave you? And I dont care iof this abomination it is greek or american as you people like to call your selves, or english or..... an abomination is the same sh*t all over the world no matter what nationality is born into it. AND IS NOT ONE OF US. But feel free to be one of them, if so you are inclined to..

There is absolutely no excuse in an atrocity of the kind we watch since the beginning of the existence of USA committed around the world, with them used as tools. Only in the beginning even us not americans, we believed in the american dream and thinking if americans was doing it, then the ones under attack by them, are the bad people so is ok. eventually we learned better.

So now I am asking you again. DO YOU support the actions of your troops and what they inflicted to the rest of the world. Because only if you support their actions you may take offense with me and in that case I know exactly how to speak to you in future. because if you do then you have no idea what a WNs stand for and their code of honor.

And another thing while answering me to have always in mind. AMERICANS exist for couple of centuries and all they teach to the world is suffering and been the tools of zionist day one to inflict pain and suffering to the enemies of zionist, again check the wars your country started against zionist interest globally and the nations they destroy killing millions of people or causing the death of them.

They did not invented or established WNs pride or have a code of honor that is their way as they are a miss match of 100+ nationalities. The first to teach all of you and still keeping the purity of the race truly is SPARTANS who leave by the old code of honor to this day. So we clear to me you are a brother and a sister and can continue be so when you explain me where I have given you offense and why exactly.

Unlike you I dont believe that any one of the US armed forces will defend you but a very small minority who conveniently as they know who they are will be killing people either in Afghanistan or Syria or Iraq or somewhere in Africa while you get killed where you stand.

REALITY is the hardest part of a human to face in is raw form. I have no intention of hurting you or insulting you or in any way put americans down all I ask and said are valid and is matter of irrefutable proven fact.

You seem to be assessing the situation based on what you think people should know, not what they actually do. Many troops have come to the conclusions that I've presented, but the military is a revolving door. The propaganda machine still paints the reality for many, and most people are never presented with these stories. Many are just ignorant, and others place too much faith in the idea that their government is doing the right thing. What I take offense to is that you are branding our soldiers, past and present, as no better than traitors.

Again, you have a lot of assumptions about the mindset and motivations of US soldiers that just aren't so. I have first hand experience, and can tell you how it really is. You ignore the social realities of the last century while painting our military members and citizens with such broad strokes. You are not being factual or reasonable with your preconceived notions. Like everything else, you have to connect the dots to get the "why". In looking at the military alone, you are ignoring the rest of the dots.

I will always support the troops even if I disagree with the conflict. They may be put in harms way for the wrong reasons, but I will always support them in doing whatever they have to do to come home alive. One thing that you have to understand is that when it comes down to it, these boys are fighting for each other and little more. You either get it or you don't.

Re: Is it possible to legally secede from the U.S. and should pro-whites attempt it?

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Originally Posted by NationalCrusader14

The U.S. Constitution says "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." This is in the Bill of Rights. This is the 10th Amendment.

I interpret this to mean that any power the federal government does not have, as stated by the Constitution, the States do have. If that's the case then it seems that secession is an option for the States. I have to believe that any successful secession effort would be complex and expensive for the secessionists but is probably an option. It seems to me like there is a good case to be made for secession being legal. I think if a group/region has enough determination they might successfully secede.

Re: Is it possible to legally secede from the U.S. and should pro-whites attempt it?

It looks like the Lakota Indian Tribe is planning to do just that. "The new country would issue its own passports and driving licenses, and living there would be tax-free — provided residents renounce their US citizenship, Means said."

Re: Is it possible to legally secede from the U.S. and should pro-whites attempt it?

[quote=Artemis Drake;10645756][quote=HardHawk;10645676]

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Originally Posted by Artemis Drake

You seem to be assessing the situation based on what you think people should know, not what they actually do. Many troops have come to the conclusions that I've presented, but the military is a revolving door. The propaganda machine still paints the reality for many, and most people are never presented with these stories. Many are just ignorant, and others place too much faith in the idea that their government is doing the right thing. What I take offense to is that you are branding our soldiers, past and present, as no better than traitors.

Again, you have a lot of assumptions about the mindset and motivations of US soldiers that just aren't so. I have first hand experience, and can tell you how it really is. You ignore the social realities of the last century while painting our military members and citizens with such broad strokes. You are not being factual or reasonable with your preconceived notions. Like everything else, you have to connect the dots to get the "why". In looking at the military alone, you are ignoring the rest of the dots.

I will always support the troops even if I disagree with the conflict. They may be put in harms way for the wrong reasons, but I will always support them in doing whatever they have to do to come home alive. One thing that you have to understand is that when it comes down to it, these boys are fighting for each other and little more. You either get it or you don't.

I am factual and I am very precise in what I am saying. To the way of my thinking since we do have a global common thinking, your troops are our troops since we belong to the west, alliance wise as well location wise. But to many of them tomorrow we may be the enemy because this is what they been ordered.

For your local people to support and promote what is happening around the world with your troops and the rest of NATO troops taking part in it, we no longer speak of YOUR troops as americans but been the point of the arrow if you like. I dont paint them with broad strokes that is not fair what you said. I am not here to demonize good men and women because of what a majority of them with their corrupt zionist puppets practice around the world.

BUT..... you seem to think that the majority of the american people are WNs and not what they truly are. A small minority, and obviously I am speaking of the majority and their actions, not the 5%, you like to think it only exist in your country, as though the rest are invisible or none existent.

To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget, whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself – that was the ultimate subtlety; consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word 'doublethink' involved the use of doublethink

Orwell explains that the Party could not protect its iron power without degrading its people with constant propaganda. Yet knowledge of this brutal deception, even within the Inner Party itself, could lead to the implosion of the State. Although Nineteen Eighty-Four is most famous for the Party's pervasive surveillance of everyday life, this control means that the population of Oceania – all of it and including the ruling elite – could be controlled and manipulated merely through the alteration of everyday thought and language. Newspeak is the method for controlling thought through language; doublethink is the method of directly controlling thought.

I seen this double thinking all over the world I am traveling speaking with people and trying to communicate simple truths to them. I also see it here.

I agree with your last paragraph. But not about all troops out there. I understand you must come from a military background family, so what you responding here has a touch of personal in it. I am with you there and hope none of yours ever come to any harm.

On the other hand some of us as we watch the events unfolding in our areas we know soon it is a very real possibility to be facing against us US/UK troops so in such case what you suggest?

Lay down and play dead or actually do what we did when in other times not so long ago they attack us? Try and have a peripheral view judging what I say and not an emotional one. The danger against all of us comes from the ones who control your troops and maybe 5-10% think like you but the rest I assure you, are very far from your thinking. I wish they was not, but it isn't so.

Re: Is it possible to legally secede from the U.S. and should pro-whites attempt it?

[quote=HardHawk;10646698][quote=Artemis Drake;10645756]

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Originally Posted by HardHawk

I am factual and I am very precise in what I am saying. To the way of my thinking since we do have a global common thinking, your troops are our troops since we belong to the west, alliance wise as well location wise. But to many of them tomorrow we may be the enemy because this is what they been ordered.

For your local people to support and promote what is happening around the world with your troops and the rest of NATO troops taking part in it, we no longer speak of YOUR troops as americans but been the point of the arrow if you like. I dont paint them with broad strokes that is not fair what you said. I am not here to demonize good men and women because of what a majority of them with their corrupt zionist puppets practice around the world.

BUT..... you seem to think that the majority of the american people are WNs and not what they truly are. A small minority, and obviously I am speaking of the majority and their actions, not the 5%, you like to think it only exist in your country, as though the rest are invisible or none existent.

To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget, whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself – that was the ultimate subtlety; consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word 'doublethink' involved the use of doublethink

Orwell explains that the Party could not protect its iron power without degrading its people with constant propaganda. Yet knowledge of this brutal deception, even within the Inner Party itself, could lead to the implosion of the State. Although Nineteen Eighty-Four is most famous for the Party's pervasive surveillance of everyday life, this control means that the population of Oceania – all of it and including the ruling elite – could be controlled and manipulated merely through the alteration of everyday thought and language. Newspeak is the method for controlling thought through language; doublethink is the method of directly controlling thought.

I seen this double thinking all over the world I am traveling speaking with people and trying to communicate simple truths to them. I also see it here.

I agree with your last paragraph. But not about all troops out there. I understand you must come from a military background family, so what you responding here has a touch of personal in it. I am with you there and hope none of yours ever come to any harm.

On the other hand some of us as we watch the events unfolding in our areas we know soon it is a very real possibility to be facing against us US/UK troops so in such case what you suggest?

Lay down and play dead or actually do what we did when in other times not so long ago they attack us? Try and have a peripheral view judging what I say and not an emotional one. The danger against all of us comes from the ones who control your troops and maybe 5-10% think like you but the rest I assure you, are very far from your thinking. I wish they was not, but it isn't so.

That's a lot of words to gloss over what I've stated, and to even take it out of context in places. It's this simple:

1. The majority of our soldiers are not knowing participants to the underlying agenda of the Zionists. Why?

2. Because the majority of people are boxed into one of two views provided them by the MSM. Most people here have no idea what the real story is regarding our troops and action in the ME. You can credit the public education system as well. People know a whole lot that just isn't so.

3. WN may be a very small minority, BUT many of our views align with those of many non-racial groups, which make them natural allies in the big scheme of things. The liberal demographic among whites is 30% at best. The majority of the liberal base is minority. You are not a US citizen, so you may not be able to put into perspective the significance of what that truly means.

With the events taking forefront on the world stage, I think Greece is safe for the time being.

Re: Is it possible to legally secede from the U.S. and should pro-whites attempt it?

[quote=Artemis Drake;10648076][quote=HardHawk;10646698]

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Originally Posted by Artemis Drake

That's a lot of words to gloss over what I've stated, and to even take it out of context in places. It's this simple:

1. The majority of our soldiers are not knowing participants to the underlying agenda of the Zionists. Why?

2. Because the majority of people are boxed into one of two views provided them by the MSM. Most people here have no idea what the real story is regarding our troops and action in the ME. You can credit the public education system as well. People know a whole lot that just isn't so.

3. WN may be a very small minority, BUT many of our views align with those of many non-racial groups, which make them natural allies in the big scheme of things. The liberal demographic among whites is 30% at best. The majority of the liberal base is minority. You are not a US citizen, so you may not be able to put into perspective the significance of what that truly means.

With the events taking forefront on the world stage, I think Greece is safe for the time being.

You think wrong. But we will make it safe when the time come.

You obviously have strong opinions based on assumption not hands on experience when it comes to be on the ground killing civilians. There is no doubt in your mind what you do and why you doing it. And you can have no illusions either.

I may not be a US citizen but that dont mean I dont understand what you saying or the reality on the ground there.

I am stoping reposnding to the issue of whose white and whose not. You will know the error of your thinking when you no longer can avoid reality as reality will catch up with you. Just remember this the worst enemies of WNs is white people, not color people. Color people are just the tool used against you in order to call you a racist and the ones using this tools are most of what you think your potential allies because also seem to you white.

I respect you as a poster so if in future dont respond to this kind of debate with you, is not out of disrespect but because it seem to me you need to be awaken by your self to certain facts and realities before you can understand what I am saying. And using the you not US citizen shown the weakness to your conviction by the way.