if you are an authoritarian, you'd have a difficult time convicting someone of waterboarding/treating waterboarding as a crime without contradicting your belief that its not a crime when the US government does it to suspected terrorists.

Weaver95:if you are an authoritarian, you'd have a difficult time convicting someone of waterboarding/treating waterboarding as a crime without contradicting your belief that its not a crime when the US government does it to suspected terrorists.

You think an authoritarian would have trouble rationalizing the state being allowed to do something citizens aren't?

Weaver95:if you are an authoritarian, you'd have a difficult time convicting someone of waterboarding/treating waterboarding as a crime without contradicting your belief that its not a crime when the US government does it to suspected terrorists.

Holocaust Agnostic:Weaver95: if you are an authoritarian, you'd have a difficult time convicting someone of waterboarding/treating waterboarding as a crime without contradicting your belief that its not a crime when the US government does it to suspected terrorists.

You think an authoritarian would have trouble rationalizing the state being allowed to do something citizens aren't?

I don't think authoritarians are entirely sane. it's less of a philosophy and more akin to a mental illness.

Waterboarding was repeatedly used by the Bush administration on terrorist suspects, but was not a crime when performed by the U.S. government.

LIAR! LIAR! LIAR!

Water-boarding is an international war crime and the US has previously persecuted people for such actions. Just because the Repulitards have a Jesus fantasy of torturing Muslims and no law enforcement agency in the US had the balls to arrest George Bush, Dick Chaney, Donald Rumsfield, or Condelisa Rice does not mean it is not a crime and illegal.

Waterboarding was repeatedly used by the Bush administration on terrorist suspects, but was not a crime when performed by the U.S. government.

LIAR! LIAR! LIAR!

Water-boarding is an international war crime and the US has previously persecuted people for such actions. Just because the Repulitards have a Jesus fantasy of torturing Muslims and no law enforcement agency in the US had the balls to arrest George Bush, Dick Chaney, Donald Rumsfield, or Condelisa Rice does not mean it is not a crime and illegal.

I heard my father's footsteps approaching. Maybe he was going after Jason. He'd been a part of this too. But no. I heard the keys jingle outside the closet and the door burst open. The light burned my eyes and I recoiled back. As images began to get clearer, I saw that he had brought his 'helpers' with him. The sisters! They grabbed me and kicked my legs out from under me. The oldest sister gave me in Indian burn on my arm. "Cooperate" she said. That's all the sisters ever said.

Cooperate.

They dragged me in to the bathroom. I could see that the tub was half full. My kid brother was soaking in the water. I knew instantly what they meant. Pee-pee. The kid couldn't hold his bladder in a squirt gun war. "Harry. Look at me" dad said.

The sisters immediately twisted my arms and turned me to face him. He was smoking those damn Pall Mall cigarettes. They came in a plastic style pack. "Harry. Mrs. Benson said you were playing on her porch glider and you broke it. If that's true, we'll have to replace it. That's a very expensive problem, Harry. Were you on Mrs. Benson's porch glider today between 2 and 4 pm?

"It was already broken!" I blurted out.

"That is not a proper answer to the QUESTION!" dad yelled. Instantly, my head was pushed in to the water Cold water and pee pee surrounded me. I wanted to struggle but the sisters had me locked in. My head swung from side to side and it thrashed in a desperate attempt to find me air or at least non pee-pee water. It was hopeless. Things grew dark. "The coroner reported that he had pee pee in his lungs" I heard my best friend tell his classmates in the near future. And they all laughed. "Pee pee!"

A moment later and my lungs would have burst. I was suddenly back in to the world with air. "Answer the question and all this will end now" dad said calmly. "Look. You are getting your dear sisters wet with all your splashing about. Now answer the question."

I was terrified of him. I was terrified of the sisters and I was even more terrified of that pee-pee water. I froze.

One millimeter before my head went in to that pee pee and water solution I blurted out "Yes!" I was thrust back up. "Now. How hard was that, Harry? Your accomplices. I want names and I want them now." Dad flipped a small book out of his shirt pocket. His pen was at the ready.

Maybe I didn't start talking soon enough or it was just the sisters being sisters because they twisted my arms even harder. I swear I heard tendons straining. I gave him all the names of the kids who were there. Even the kids who didn't touch the accursed device. And I followed up the list with this statement: "It was already broken when we got there! We put the glider back up on the hangers but it broke right away. We barely touched it!"

"But you were there. You've admitted that to me in front of these witnesses" dad said calmly. He closed his notebook up and put it back in his pocket. He clicked his ball point pen closed and also put it in his pocket." To the sisters, he said "get this one out of my sight."

They dragged me down stairs and to the back door. At the top of the porch, they stood me up on my feet, laughed and together pushed me down the stairs on to the sidewalk. I stood up and looked around. There were other kids out that night. Some of them were playing. Others, like me were just happy to be alive. Randy was there. His dad liked the old style of putting on boxing gloves and punching him until he 'fess up. I walked over to him and sat down.

"I sold you out" I said quietly."That's okay," Randy said. He turned to look at me. His dad had really worked Randy's left eye. It was swollen shut. "I sold you out too."

Throughout the neighborhood, there were other cries. Names being yelled. Mrs. Benson got her new glider and the cost was borne by many but we never went near it again.

xria:Weaver95: if you are an authoritarian, you'd have a difficult time convicting someone of waterboarding/treating waterboarding as a crime without contradicting your belief that its not a crime when the US government does it to suspected terrorists.

It's okay when we do it (tm)

Anyone says waterboarding is ok should have to go through the procedure.

Evil Mackerel:xria: Weaver95: if you are an authoritarian, you'd have a difficult time convicting someone of waterboarding/treating waterboarding as a crime without contradicting your belief that its not a crime when the US government does it to suspected terrorists.

It's okay when we do it (tm)

Anyone who says waterboarding is ok should have to go through the procedure.

Evil Mackerel:xria: Weaver95: if you are an authoritarian, you'd have a difficult time convicting someone of waterboarding/treating waterboarding as a crime without contradicting your belief that its not a crime when the US government does it to suspected terrorists.

It's okay when we do it (tm)

Anyone says waterboarding is ok should have to go through the procedure.

i've offered to water board any/all fark independents who defend the practice or who think it's harmless. nobody's taken me up on it yet.

Waterboarding was repeatedly used by the Bush administration on terrorist suspects, but was not a crime when performed by the U.S. government.

LIAR! LIAR! LIAR!

Water-boarding is an international war crime and the US has previously persecuted people for such actions. Just because the Repulitards have a Jesus fantasy of torturing Muslims and no law enforcement agency in the US had the balls to arrest George Bush, Dick Chaney, Donald Rumsfield, or Condelisa Rice does not mean it is not a crime and illegal.

FightDirector:As the parent of a 2-year old who just poured apple juice into his mother's laptop, I'm fine with a little waterboarding right this moment.

I'm assuming the waterboarding is for whomever allowed the 2-year old near a laptop with a cup of apple juice.

Why didn't the cup have a lid? Why isn't it 'spill proof' or a sippy cup? These take more effort on kiddo's part to make messes.

Two year olds just love to splash! My niece will deliberately dribble chocolate milk out of her mouth and down the front of her clothes because her parents will then give her a bath essentially rewarding her behavior. She's done that twice at my house. Both times I wiped her off with a cold damp wash cloth until she wasn't sticky and put her in a spare set of clothes. I made the punishment fit the crime. The cold washcloth was extremely disappointing for her when she was expecting a warm bath.

This is sad. I mean, I knew things were bad here in 'Murica, but this is seriously out of hand. At the risk of sounding like a teatard, how much more bullshiat are we going to take before we actually use the ohh-so-many guns we have here and smite someone that deserves it for a change?

DeathCipris:This is sad. I mean, I knew things were bad here in 'Murica, but this is seriously out of hand. At the risk of sounding like a teatard, how much more bullshiat are we going to take before we actually use the ohh-so-many guns we have here and smite someone that deserves it for a change?

Because in neo con logic, a bunch of first graders had it coming to them because Jesus is pissed at us... Or something like that.

Void_Beavis:DeathCipris: This is sad. I mean, I knew things were bad here in 'Murica, but this is seriously out of hand. At the risk of sounding like a teatard, how much more bullshiat are we going to take before we actually use the ohh-so-many guns we have here and smite someone that deserves it for a change?

Because in neo con logic, a bunch of first graders had it coming to them because Jesus is pissed at us... Or something like that.

I know you are being tongue-in-cheek there, but I am seriously thinking about leaving this festering shiathole before it completely implodes on itself. The level of religious fervor, backwards conservatives, and the stance that MY elected government takes on some of these issues is downright appalling. I am not so blind as to not notice the level of corporate infiltration into our government, the corruption at the highest echelons of leadership, and the lack of compassion the government has for anyone but the top 1%. Now this? The government can abduct and torture people without any sort of grounds other than an executive designation as an "enemy combatant"? How is this not transforming into a dictatorship? This isn't partisan either and both sides have blood or rather water on their hands.This is not the usual "wahh" bullshiat after an election either. Hell, I wanted Obama back in office. But this is just too much for me...

DeathCipris:Void_Beavis: DeathCipris: This is sad. I mean, I knew things were bad here in 'Murica, but this is seriously out of hand. At the risk of sounding like a teatard, how much more bullshiat are we going to take before we actually use the ohh-so-many guns we have here and smite someone that deserves it for a change?

Because in neo con logic, a bunch of first graders had it coming to them because Jesus is pissed at us... Or something like that.

I know you are being tongue-in-cheek there, but I am seriously thinking about leaving this festering shiathole before it completely implodes on itself. The level of religious fervor, backwards conservatives, and the stance that MY elected government takes on some of these issues is downright appalling. I am not so blind as to not notice the level of corporate infiltration into our government, the corruption at the highest echelons of leadership, and the lack of compassion the government has for anyone but the top 1%. Now this? The government can abduct and torture people without any sort of grounds other than an executive designation as an "enemy combatant"? How is this not transforming into a dictatorship? This isn't partisan either and both sides have blood or rather water on their hands.This is not the usual "wahh" bullshiat after an election either. Hell, I wanted Obama back in office. But this is just too much for me...

Lets not mention the ones who are anti-abortion and anti-contraceptive and yet support the proliferation of massive firearms without restriction and the death penalty.

How is that for a "late-term" abortion? Shooting a first grader in the face with an assault rifle.

Waterboarding was repeatedly used by the Bush administration on terrorist suspects, but was not a crime when performed by the U.S. government.

LIAR! LIAR! LIAR!

Water-boarding is an international war crime and the US has previously persecuted people for such actions. Just because the Repulitards have a Jesus fantasy of torturing Muslims and no law enforcement agency in the US had the balls to arrest George Bush, Dick Chaney, Donald Rumsfield, or Condelisa Rice does not mean it is not a crime and illegal.

.I bet you get a woody when Obama does it though.

Umm...when has Obama done it? Last I heard he outlawed the use of "Alternative Interrogation" techniques. So, please show me where anyone in the Obama administration had done that, cite your farking source you poo flinging monkey.

That place where he lives--the "Wickes area" is a notorious bad place. It was the place where, when I worked for the feds, they told us to be very careful when we went out there, because the residents just din't care for representatives of the government.

Waterboarding has got to be the weirdest torture going. The only real danger is a fear induced heart attack. It doesn't look scary in the least when you see it being performed. Yet even if you understand 100% that you're in no physical danger going into it, it still causes a primal "ZOMG I'm gonna die" fear that just can't be reasoned with. It's the kind of torture that you can watch and think "I'd be able to withstand that indefinitely" yet 30 seconds into it and you'll be crying like a schoolgirl looking at her first cock. Everyone I've ever talked to who has gone through it has pretty much said the same thing. You go into it thinking "how can this even be torture" and leave it thinking "I'd suck a homeless guy's dick if it would make it stop".

Its one of those things part of you wants to try just to see how bad it can possibly be... the waterboarding that is, not the sucking a homeless guy's dick.

Ghastly:Waterboarding has got to be the weirdest torture going. The only real danger is a fear induced heart attack. It doesn't look scary in the least when you see it being performed. Yet even if you understand 100% that you're in no physical danger going into it, it still causes a primal "ZOMG I'm gonna die" fear that just can't be reasoned with. It's the kind of torture that you can watch and think "I'd be able to withstand that indefinitely" yet 30 seconds into it and you'll be crying like a schoolgirl looking at her first cock. Everyone I've ever talked to who has gone through it has pretty much said the same thing. You go into it thinking "how can this even be torture" and leave it thinking "I'd suck a homeless guy's dick if it would make it stop".

Its one of those things part of you wants to try just to see how bad it can possibly be... the waterboarding that is, not the sucking a homeless guy's dick.

When was in the army, I let a few friends water board me. We just wanted to see what it was like.

The hardest part is holding your breath. Once you exhale the first time it becomes impossible to inhale only air after. The water runs into your mouth and nose and you start to panic. By panicking you lose more oxygen and start to suffocate. It's a terrible feeling.

It is definitly torture. The thing is; I don't care if they torture terrorists. Like the guy FTA. Water board the shiat out of him. It's iffy trying to extract info from the enemy this way. But if your only aim is to break and dehumanize the enemy it works perfectly.My two cents.

/never seen this happen in the field. It was simply a barracks experiment. I don't know anyone who's has actually done it to the enemyeither.