Trump Cannot Improve Relations With Russia When Trump’s Government and the US Media Oppose Improved Relations

President Trump Has Been Contradicted by His Own Government, Which Has Lined Up Against Him in Favor of Hillary Clinton, the Democratic National Committee, and the Russophobic Presstitute Media that serves the military/security complex and the neoconservatives.

I am afraid that The Saker and Finian Cunningham are correct. Nothing can come of Trump’s meeting with Putin, because, as Cunningham puts it, “Trump doesn’t have freedom or real power. The real power brokers in the US will ensure that the Russophobia campaign continues, with more spurious allegations of Moscow interfering to subvert Western democracies. Trump will continue to live under a cloud of media-driven suspicions. And thus the agenda of regime change against Syria and confrontation with Russia will also continue. Trump’s personal opinions on these matters and towards Vladimir Putin are negligible—indeed dispensable by the deep powers-that-be.”

Cunningham points out that instead of lauding the meeting as the beginning of the process to defuse the high tensions between the two major nuclear powers, the US media denounced Trump for being civil to Putin in the meeting.

What is missing from the media in the entirety of the Western world and perhaps also in Russia is the awareness that the dangerous tensions are orchestrated not only by Hillary and the Democratic National Committee, the neoconservatives, the US military/security complex, and the presstitutes, but also by President Trump’s own appointees.

Trump’s own ambassador to the UN, Nikki Haley, and Trump’s own Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson, sound exactly like Hillary Clinton, the Democratic National Committee, the neoconservatives, the Washington Post, the New York Times, CNN and the rest of the totally discredited presstitute media that is committed to raising tensions between the US and Russia to the point of nuclear war.

The ignorant stupid Haley is still in office, a perfect demonstration of Trump’s powerlessness.

The ignorant stupid Haley has gone far beyond Obama’s crazed UN Ambassador, neocon Smantha Power in doing everything in her power to ruin the prospect of normal relations between the two major nuclear powers. Why does Nikki Haley work in favor of a confrontation between nuclear powers that would destroy all life on earth? What is wrong with Nikki Haley? Is she demented? Has she lost her mind, assuming she ever had one?

How can President Trump normalize relations with Russia when every one of his appointees wants to worsen the relations to the point of nuclear war?

How is President Trump going to improve relations with Russia when President Trump stands powerless in face of his dressing down by his UN Ambassador? Clearly, Trump is powerless, a mere cipher.

Trump’s incompetence is illustrated by his appointments. There is no one in “his” government that supports him. Everyone of them works to undermine him. And he sits there and Twitters.

So, what is President Putin’s belief that an understanding can now be worked out with Washington worth? Not a plugged nickel. Trump has zero authority over “his” government. He can be contradicted at will by his own appointees. The President of the United States is a joke. You can find him on Twitter, but nowhere else, not in the Oval Office making foreign or military policy. The president Twitters and thinks that that is policy.

The Trump administration was destroyed when the weak Donald Trump allowed the neoconservatives to remove his National Security Advisor, General Flynn. Trump has never recovered. “His” administration is staffed with violent Russophobes. Wars can be the only outcome.

We know two things about the alleged Russian interference in the Trump/Hillary presidential election. One is that John Brennan, Obama’s CIA director, and Comey, Obama’s FBI director, implied repeatedly that Trump was elected by Russian interference in the election, but neither the CIA nor the FBI have provided any evidence whatsoever that any such interference occurred. Indeed, months into the case, the special prosecutor, the former FBI director, can produce no evidence. The whole thing is a sham, but it is ongoing. There will be no end to it as it is designed to undermind President Trump with the people who elected him. The message is: “Trump is not for America. Trump is for Russia.”

This is astounding! The NSA has intercepts of all transmitted data. If Russia interfered in the US presidential election the evidence would be obvious and immediately available.

Despite the obvious lies told by Brennan and Comey, the New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, MSNBC and the rest of the scum, no one has been arrested and put on trial for their efforts to overthrow the elected president of the United States. This proves beyond all doubt that the President of the United States is a non-entity. A figurehead incapable of action independently of the Deep State that controls him.

If Vladimir Putin really believes from his meeting with Trump that all of the orchestrated false charges against Russia can now be removed and normal relations restored, Putin is in la-la land. Nikki Haley says that the US will NEVER trust Russia. If Putin trusts Washington, Russia will be destroyed. And the rest of the world with Russia.

The Essential Saker II: Civilizational Choices and Geopolitics / The Russian challenge to the hegemony of the AngloZionist Empire

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Roberts views of trump are also naive. What trump and his zionazi colonial regime are doing is standard zionazi “good cop/bad cop” tactic. Trump being the “good cop”, the others supposedly undermining him and acting full on gay with their Russophobia, being the “bad cops”. This sort of bs is so ubiquitous in zionazi strategy, it’s like their #1 tactic used on pretty much everything they befoul, I’m surprised thinking people still buy into the scams.

The above said, though, I agree with Roberts about much of what he says here about whether israel’s pindo colonials changing their zionazi tune, joining the human race and becoming part of the solutions, rather than being the face of the problems. As long as zionazi, inc. runs the western capitalists, they will remain the nazis of our time and 100% toxins.

“Earlier, the newspaper reported, citing a White House official who was briefed by US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, that the leaders of the countries discussed the so-called “interference” of Russia in the US elections for 40 minutes during a bilateral meeting in Hamburg.

“All the reasoning that you mentioned regarding the New York Times is nonsense. I repeat once again, there were only two people, and where did the New York Times knew how many minutes what was discussed, and who raised the voice, and whether anyone raised it at all — that is, all this simply eloquently testifies that there are great tale-tellers sitting there, who do all they can to prevent the Russophobic wave from subsiding,” Peskov said on the air of the Rossiya 1 channel.”

Tillerson went to Ukraine and told Porkie what he wanted to hear; he is now in Turkey telling Erdogan what he wants to hear ; he is off to the Gulf and I bet he will tell each and everyone what they want to hear etc:

Dr. Roberts doesn’t engage in magical thinking. As comforting as it is to believe that Trump is going to somehow save the day and prevent war with Russia, the harsh truth is that war is coming. The ignorant bastards running the US are intent on “winning”, and they clearly believe they can “make Russia back down”. Believe me, that is the thinking of the neocons. They want push to come to shove.

Dr. Roberts did say “if” Putin believes that, which doesn’t necessarily mean Roberts thinks he does. However, it is clear that Putin and Lavrov have continued to make deal after deal with the US, with the hope that Russia can work with the US . . . only to have the US renege each and every time. I think Dr. Roberts tends to believe that Putin, at the very least, wants to believe that this time it is different.

The same neocon thinking was used to defeat Castro. It didn’t work. They were wrong.
Cuba is still there. Castroism runs the place. Fidel was victorious. 1959-2017 and counting . . .

Thinking the US can defeat Russia is the same mistake. It’s dangerous. But it’s vey flawed.

The matchup is at the top. Putin-Lavrov and Shoigu have the situation under control.
Look at the new strengths added to the Russian side of the ledger.
China, Iran, Hezbollah, Quds Force, Turkey, Qatar, Libya and Egypt in the Middle East. All have close working relationships with Russian military, MIC and diplomatic corp.
In Eastern Europe, Hungary, Czech Rep., Moldova and Bulgaria have moved toward Russia in economic self-interest.
In the West, Germany, France, Italy have shown strong re-attachment to Russia for economic self-interest.
In Asia Pacific, Japan, Philippines, South Korea and Vietnam have all turned to Russia for security and economic reasons.
In South Asia, India, Pakistan and Afghanistan need Russia to help solve their deep, huge problems and all are shifting to Russia-China away from the US.

In sum, Russia is a magnet for strong relationships that defy the Hegemon.

Russia is in a strengthening position. Still very dangerous times.
But only the feckless, vassals of the EU acting as a group whored out to the US do we see “threats”.

That’s easy for Russia to handle. The old Anglo-Khazarian hate group that has been at it for 100+ years is the primary threat. They have lost Eurasia and now face a global struggle for their own survival. They have shown their cards to China that their intention is to contain and downgrade China. That was crucial.

Now China and Russia are fashioning all the rest of the world, not just Eurasia, as a constellation of sovereign nations free to trade, to develop, to grow, to participate in a non-hegemonic future.

Larchmonter, in this case you are more correct than wrong. Yes, Russia and their many allies are slowly growing stronger. I saw “in this case” because, in the Philban comments, you agreed with Saker that Russia should simply ignore Poland, Russia and the Baltic states, and that would be a medium to large catastrophe.

In you response to PCR, it’s important to understand which parts of the Russian alliance are fragile and what is very robust. You usually write based entirely on facts, but not here, sadly.

1. Fragile ties that could break at any time: Egypt, Turkey and Qatar

2. Really not “showing strong re-attachment to Russia for economic self-interest” are France, Germany, Italy. Even with elections soon, Merkel is so strong in the polls that she does not even pretend to lift a finger to stop the Ukrainian Nazis. German businesses like Siemens can be livid and slowly lose their Russian markets entirely, but Siemens is still a slave to a government that is a slave to Washington. And most Germans don’t care. So … no happy music here. Same story in France, now officially owned by the Rothschilds. Italy remains to be seen, with elections in 2018 and regional dissent, but Italy hasn’t been independent from the US since 1944 and I don’t trust 5SM to be any better than Greece’s Syriza.

3. Robust: Chinese military power, both realized and potential. iN 2016, The US ducked out of a confrontation over island-building and military base-building in the South China Sea. If you think that’s my imagination, please note how livid Duterte was about US inaction and how quickly he rotated to line up the Phillipines with China. This shows the Empire will not start a nuclear war, as long as things don’t get out of control.

Where does this leave us?

The Empire will probably try to re-assert control over nations which it is now losing. My ill-informed guess is that the US will try to undo the self-inflicted damage over the (P)GCC aggression against Qatar, and that could become interesting because Qatar and friends have options, too. Turkey is also still very much “in play”, because – as I understand it and please correct me if I’m wrong – the Gulenists still have some potential to do the CIA’s bidding.

India is rather firmly under control of the Empire. But India is run by businessmen, and China might develop some enticing proposals.

So overall and in the long run, the world is getting Eurasia because the world wants peace – not war, and economic development – not subservience and a downward spiral. Really, everyone has seen far too many downward spirals since 1945, and people want a different future. But we still have a lot of rough road to travel.

“In the West, Germany, France, Italy have shown strong re-attachment to Russia for economic self-interest.”
Not to be trusted no matter what. You can play with these people only from a position of strength but you must (as a Slav) be ready as they may stab you in the back. To think that at the top “racism” has evaporated is to be very naive.

The Trump Administration is doing one thing, it is making clear the ‘real role’ of the president. The MIC has been running the show for sometime. With Trump the curtain is removed, and we see yes, he is reduced to tweets, and his steak dinners at del Margo. Obama is reduced to the golf course, Bush to the ranch, Clinton to round tables with corporate leaders and interns…

How long has this been the case ? Clearly the CIA did not follow Kennedy policies, in fact, Allen Dulles openly told guests at a dinner party after he was fired, ‘there is the Kennedy policy, and my brother’s (John Foster Dulles) policy we will follow my brother’s policy’. Ahead fifty years, Obama-Kerry had negotiated several ‘cease fires’ in Syria, but clearly the MIC had there own policies, and violated them all. There was again the Presidents policy and the MIC policy.

So how many times do we confront this until it becomes obvious ? Is there any room for doubt ? Just wait folks, our guys are coming to bat, it’ll be a whole new ball game. The recent Kucinich interview was clear (‘Presidential Policy and Deep State (MIIC) policy are not alike’). LBJ’s last interview, ‘we’re running a Murder Inc. here’ (The Atlantic).

Putin in his recent interview with Megan Kelly, said ‘there is a theory that President Kennedy was killed by a US Intelligence Agency, and it has a lot of factual basis’. This is a way of saying…’I know the real history and facts here….I will not be fooled’.

America through both financialization of the economy and merger of the military-industrial-intelligence-media complex, is no longer a nation ‘of and for the people’, it is a Ministry of Truth in an Orwellian nightmare, and it needs to be de-fused. All the while Putin forms new alliances and country’s take sides, there’s a showdown coming, who will be left standing.

I don’t see any groups that want normalisation with Russia, nor do I see a good cop/bad cop routine.

All I see is Trump, alone, trying to reach out to Russia and being constantly undermined by his subordinates (and his own family). Trump will end up reneging on all his agreements. What other outcome can there be?

Eduard Popov wrote an interesting two-part essay for Fort Russ. Bottom line, Trump is keeping a very hard line in Eastern Europe. Popov wrote this about Trump’s appointment of Volker:

An equal degree of concern for Russia is encapsulated in the figure of the US’ special envoy for the Ukrainian problem. Following Tilleron’s visit to Kiev, Kurt Volker stayed behind for several days. Volker is a former senior CIA analyst and infamous hawk known for his tough position on Russia. Since 2014, Volker has openly lobbied for Ukraine joining NATO and has insisted on delivering lethal weapons and other forms of military assistance to Ukraine. He also advocates strengthening America’s military presence in the countries bordering Ukraine. Needless to say, the consequences of such are not simply dangerous, but even fatal, possibly leading up to a direct military confrontation between Russia and the West. Volker, however, is not frightened by this. Rather, he believes that Russians’ determination to defend their interests and their own borders is an entirely vain bluff.

For some time I’ve had a goal to promote a move to bring war powers back to Congress and closer to their constituency’s control. I thought the timing was right with Trump’s election but then saw the moment crumble when he ordered the rocket attack on Syria.

Yet again I tried, resuming a Facebook account and attempting to disguise a gentle enough meme – #PostForPeace – with a message to evolve thus; #AUMF. I’d hoped for a 100,00 shares. Yes, a broad goal, but one to copy the methods on display in Mass Media. Perhaps not as mercenary a message, no pun intended. I had five interested volunteers in the first five minutes.

It also was the week Mr Zuckerburg announced his “new mission” for FB, which was heralded widely, e.g., in http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/22/technology/facebook-zuckerberg-interview/index.html. The algorithms did their work. I was stopped dead after a first effort at “sharing” – my account was inexplicably frozen for over two days with “technical” problems yet to be unexplained. FB and I have parted company again.

Dennis Leary is still fighting the last war. Reagan. Be serious; so much has happened in the Great Game since Reagan. PCR is very alarmed and he should be, as should all if us. Challenge his facts or argument why don’t you.

Ed, you apparently don’t know Dennis very well: He promotes making love not fighting war.

In this way. you miss his point completely: It is PCR who very much ego identifies with Reagan (whose administration Roberts served in, and whose “economics” he erroneously still believes were “the cat’s meow”), not Leary.

Robert’s alarm, while useful for fighting and defending, in a near constant consciousness of fear, is deadly for love-making. You’ll never rise to the opportunity of love and piece if you are as freaked out of your wits as Roberts customarily is!

But for perimeter defense of the Love Bower, such an alert guard dog of war definitely has his uses and should be kept outside, guarding the primary entrances.
Now, the common ground here, for useful comprehension and utilization is the concept of “the
flank” which very much applies BOTH to battle and war plans, but also, quite clearly, to sex, where the curvature of the flank that must be turned (to reach the love objective) is most definitely a central consideration.

In that shared sense, what Leary is pointing to in the “meme wars” is of great relevance, because the fact is that the Deplorables are in a potentially victorious revolt against CNN and all MSM, and Dennis thinks the Donald needs to smash the Globalists hard into the mat on that flank, while allowing Putin ann Melania to communicate through the slavic and slavonic eye contact and soul contact just recently initiated in Hamburg, and that the Donald, far from being a castrated son of Zion, sorta kinda knows what he’s doing! One step at a time.

My attitude is that Vigilance and Capable fArmed Force to deter Empire aggression and Empire Information War desperation to stop even the possibility of Trump and Putin from ever meeting was well confirmed and further cemented by Xi and Putin just before Hamburg, and PCR’s growling and barking in alarm, while still useful, pales in comparison, in terms of real utility…………..but the pessimism he exudes has to be overcome on other war flanks, especially the most vital of all: the just now awakening process of the long asleep American public, who have been in a drugged state of unconsciousness for decades, and are so groggy, irritated and confused right now they are in no condition to make either war, or love.

Especially since so many of them are not even sure which gender they or their fellow Americans are. What can Anyone, including Trump do with these people except give them a bit more time to sort out some basics!

Meanwhile the Russo-phobia (about the only flank the Empire has…..and it is fast being turned) is seen more and more clearly by more and more Americans as the ridiculous fear mongering that it is. I wouldn’t bet on Nikki Halley having much tread left on her. She’s losing traction about as fast as Rachel Madcow and the MSM social and strategic agenda, in general.

Well said! Although when it comes to the shreiking psycotic sisters of war, (haley and powers) cannot be discreditted and REMOVED WITH EXTREME PREJUDICE -quickly enough , imo. And although PCR does persist (I think correctly) in attempting to rouse Trump enough to at least rise up and at the very least, shake off these political remorahs, I submit this theory. Statesmanship is a dying art that a rarer number of humans than ever before, have any clue whatsoever about what it is , much less how to utilze it or even recognize it , when it is in play. I have great hopes personally that Trump realizes and recognizes now, what a load of sabre rattling deception his OWN ADMINISTRATION is putting him through! Tillerson is showing his true “whichever way the deep states farts blows” ass sniffing colors! We who sincerely would like to prevent another war on ANY level, are going to have to fight for our lives regardless. So I dont agree that PCR is being overly alarmist, he like many, dont see any other avenues and are basically stating for the record, and perhaps taunting Trump who reads PCR, which is a tactic Trump uses masterfully himself, in order to draw out the opposition? In any case, I truly hope Putin and Trump really had an intensely focused and HONEST meeting! I wonder if Putin is the advocate of peace and sovereignty, and USAs most sincere AND VALUABLE ally in this battle against the war mongering cesspit of political profiteering and liars that OCCUPY/INFEST THE ENTIRE FEDERAL GUMMINT AGENCIES? Time will tell whether we are smart enough to notice it or not!

My goodness – I see so many opportunities for my naive “meme” to take hold (see above).

#AUMF

Surely I must be a victim of grandiose thinking. Why would such a docile bit of programming such as FaceBook’s re-engineered division inducing goals pick my effort out from the herd?

For that matter, why does it take 15 days to acquire cable/internet service for a move from one residence to another … a strange coincidence? It certainly made me late to this commentary. Now I’m suffering from flights of fancy …

I do know one thing – this is a project that requires more than one person to continue. I’m one person that never quits though, especially when so much is at stake.

“The fact that President Putin and I discussed a Cyber Security unit doesn’t mean I think it can happen. It can’t-but a ceasefire can,& did!” Trump said on Twitter.”

Throughout his election campaign, trump said things tailored to please specific audiences. Once elected he abandoned those he never had any intention to produce on. This example above of him telling Putin one thing, then after the meet saying it can’t happen, is an example of what trump is. A greaser.

The Russians knew this from the beginning, btw, and while they affect a positive view of this nonsense publicly, they are basing their own strategy on a much more realistic worst case assessment of zionazi intent.

“they are basing their own strategy on a much more realistic worst case assessment of zionazi intent.” – Probably that is the real case and I really hope so, Russia has no other alternative, has studied time and again the behavior oh her “partners” who are playing in the kindergarten. But this play is much more dangerous and Russia must deal with them accordingly. I have to refrain myself to dear to believe in some sort of enlightenment on behalf of the “partners” who are parts of the Empire. We must treat them as : ” You talk, so be it, but I believe when I see it “.

“”Why not put @JulianAssange in charge of it? He’s trusted by the public and has the CIA’s best stuff anyway,” the portal said on Twitter in response to Trump’s tweet about discussion with Russian President Vladimir Putin on forming a joint sybersecurity unit.”

Whether Nikki Haley is merely a demented loose cannon, or is scripted by the deep state and has been forced on Trump, she is a deeply disappointing appointment. If Trump is okay with her ravings, that’s doubly disappointing. And Tillerson seems all over the map, inconsistent.

I do wonder how insulated Trump is from getting good information. Is he in effect blinded in a tightly controlled and misleading information bubble in the White House, or are some contrarian ideas and sensible analysis slipping through, say via Bannon?

Is Trump irrecoverably in over his head, or is he capable of learning key lessons, able to gain some real and savvy allies, and summon the spunk to make key changes over the next months? If I were betting, I would bet on his failure and flop. But it sure would be nice to lose that bet. I keep reminding myself that he is newcomer to all this, and has been attacked by mass media and undermined by the deep state way way way beyond any other president during my lifetime.

Why was Andy “First we F** Flynn, and then we F** Trump” McCabe left in charge of the FBI after he fired Comey???

The fact he didn’t also fire McCabe is worrying as it suggests he either doesn’t know what he’s doing or is being shielded from learning crucial information about those trying to subvert his Government from the inside.

I’m far from convinced Christopher Wray (he who used to work with Comey & Mueller – both of them!) will end up doing Trump any good either.

I would have expected that Paul Craig Roberts, as a former Under-Secretary of the Treasury, could tell us more about the civil service-level teamwork between US and Russia, both leading up to the meeting and the ceasefire, and after, subsequent to the various agreements. And yet he seems not even focused on this level of real government work, and instead very much on the surface propaganda level of things. It’s a shame, his view on this could have been useful.

The surface means nothing, and I doubt that serious government analysis around the world pays much attention to people like Haley or all of Trump’s opponents within his own administration. What matters is what happens on the ground. What matters is not what Tillerson says at the moment but what happens between the two foreign ministries, and within the ceasefire zone in Syria, and at all the subordinate levels of government that aren’t played out in clear view. This is where Russia’s collaboration will happen, and where we measure the strength of Trump’s power to act and the degree to which anyone is obeying him. Also where we measure the growth, or diminishing, of this power.

Let’s remember that although Putin no longer has serious opposition at the surface, even his dictates are still constantly sabotaged in the executive field by managers and subordinates.

We are all still waiting still to see how Trump will evolve. The idea that he’s playing a double game seems wrong, and the idea that he can’t learn is overturned by Putin’s own evaluation of him. So, there must be a further evolving of the situation ahead yet. The story is not set yet, and for all the guesswork put in by all the analysts, no one can give proven answers to these various riddles. We still need more data, so we have to wait and see.

We have to wait and see how the US representative now to be involved in the Minsk agreement regarding Ukraine actually comes into play. And to see if a joint working group or even a liaison can arise in cyber security. And to see what happens in Syria. These are all the first little bricks in a large structure of possibility. Far too soon to give up and weep yet.

I agree with PCR and if Trump is serious about improving relations with Russia he has to immediately fire Nikki Haley who blatantly operates independent of White House.

How can Trump be taken seriously if persons chosen by him to support and promote his policies, contradict him, and undermine his policies at every turn?

Tillerson for his part, should be read the riot act and informed that his name with not on the ballot box when the American people voted in November, so he can either toe the line, or return to the oil fields.

US is a tripartite government, in which NO part of it is functioning correctly or in control. To think one man in one branch can even start to fix it, is laughable, naive, misguided. Large monied interests in the US effectively neutered the tripartite government, over say the last 100 years. During the campaign, Trump spoke in emo-marketing headlines to gain an aura of popularity, which made him seem ‘plausible’ at best. But if you examine his main campaign slogan ‘Make America Great Again’, you actually define what a shallow emo-marketing statement is, designed to MEAN something different to every person who heard it… when exactly was America Great ? 1776, 1863, 1914, 1929, 1947, 1969, etc… all talk no substance…all show and no go…etc. Exactly what good psycho emo-marketing is all about. America is OWNED by its corporations and financiers… which puts forth the best government money can buy. You can’t even get Americans (or Administration) to clearly identify or agree on the problems.

Only a public can start the ‘common cause’ to ‘fix’ a tripartite form of government. And the financiers/corporations/media keep us eternally divided.

Basically America is a hopeless drunk, until it hits rock bottom, expect no change – and we’ll keep finding hidden liquor bottles through out the household.

Yes, Trump’s campaign was all “good psycho emo-marketing” but if Trump had been explicit on major issues, then he would have lost the election because the lying media would have nitpicked him to death. This is how public discussion has been stifled in the last 50 years.

The real problem is quite simple – and quite hard. The people who own America’s lying media do not want any real discussion of the issues. They bought the media exactly so they can keep the citizens powerless.

We need to put a wooden stake through the heart of the lying press, metaphorically speaking of course. Surveys show fewer Americans read or watch the lying media than ever. And they have entirely lost the trust of the under 70’s. The time is now, or very soon, to announce the end of the illegitimate lying media, and to do it in a way which makes the lying media 200% ridiculous, and would mark their audience as utter morons.

Haley is know-nothing, opportunist bimbo; the type that proliferates in modern politics. Without a political idea in her head she will say or do anything which advances her career. It seems blatantly apparent that she is simply reading off scripts supplied to her by members of the shadow government cum deep state. Actually, it would be cheaper to train a parrot to make the usual noises, much cheaper too.

To substantiate PCR’s article, look no further than the passel of rogues and their lies in this Reuters piece:Trump backtracks on push for cybersecurity unit with Russia after criticism.
Several Republicans were baffled by the comments, saying Moscow could not be trusted

I had the distinct impression that the meeting was a SFV (sincerity-free-zone).

Between forced grins and handshakes Putin looked as though he’d much rather be somewhere else.

He knows the game. I am sure the Russians are simpy playing the hand out to prepare for the inevitable. It will take a dramatic turnaround to pull this out of the fire – of which there is no sign whatsoever.

History is very interesting and one can get precises information out of it. As fas as President Trump is concerned, it looks like many of the last Roman Emperors who had no authority and the generals, many of them foreigners, did what they wanted: War, peace and even elect themselves as emperors. The decline of the Roman Empire had started and we know what happened. In a much smaller scale we can compare the US with Germany between the two wars or Russia during the last years of the Zar: Chaos for years and then war. The forces in the back ground were the same

Please stop making comments which are off-topic and promoting someone else. The site has regular updates from Southfront about Syria and these comments should go there – if they add to the discussion. Please place the comment under the right post. Thx. Mod

Putin knows what he is doing, he has demostrate how to handle the hegemon in the long run. Maduro in another hand has been f… ing things up for a long time and sending an assassin like Lopez to his mansion with his hot wife while there are Chavez supporters being killed by fascist in the streets has been recieved very badly.

Government supporters and opposition alike saw it as a sign of weakness and the violence continues. I hope there’s a master plan behind it.

What Roberts fails to grasp is that whether he fully understands it or not, Trump is leading an insurrection against the Zionist Forces that control America. Specific issues related to US-Russian relations are secondary to this greater battle that determines the fate of the world. This is why Putin made a point of publicly commiserating with Trump about the media at G20. He was signaling not just to Americans, but nationalists everywhere, that he stands with them against the forces of Zion. This is a global ideological struggle.

The whole things after the election are crazy.
What is he going to do for the rest 3 years and half?
I am really not sure if he is just being someone tweeting and leaving.
Or he’s going to prefer resignation than contained and taunted like a prisoner?
Nothing is sure.

Trump recovery is so far not likely because he’s already depicted as a world wide villain even in a less influential country like Japan.
In my country, this is the narrative that most of us believe in.
“Trump is always been a bad guy in entire his life time, awful racist and chauvinist and the bad guy has won the presidency by cheating, like Russia helped him win in an illegal way.
And when he was accused of such, he fired FBI director so to get away with the sin of the fraud election.
What a bad man, we better pray for Clinton to take back some power in any means for everyone in the world sake”

As far as I can see, alternate media is very weak in Japan. There are weeklies (週刊誌) that provide a critical perspective and independent journos like Tanaka Sakai 田中宇 but the MSM is still very powerful. The perspective that Peace Loving Japanese describes is roughly what one hears from NHK.

Dr. Roberts is absolutely correct that Trump is powerless, incompetent and a foolish Twitterer….. and that he is being undermined by basically anyone in his cabinet/administration who wants to undermine him.

The fact that a secretary of state / foreign minister is doubting the legitimacy of the election of his own president that appointed him is really crazy.

Citing the article above:

“” Tillerson said that Putin’s refusal to admit that Putin elected Trump by interfering in the US election “stands as an obstacle to our ability to improve the relationship between the US and Russia and it needs to be addressed in terms of how we assure the American people that interference into our elections will not occur by Russia or anyone else.” “”

It seems anyone with a bit of sanity in the administration is either removed or sidelined.

There is no one in the US leadership or elite that is willing to speak the truth and confront this anti-Russian propaganda of hysteria and madness…..The entire ruling class are all cowards and afraid of losing their wealth, position and power.

The only people talking and standing up against this madness in the US are people from within the population, some from the alternative media or a few in the academia.

If the entire ruling class and the media class are cowards and continue this propaganda, there is then no one left except the US armed forces, meaning elements within the US Department of Defense (The Pentagon)..

If there is not enough highly ranked generals within the US armed forces willing to defy taking orders from the Neo-Conservative Zionists within the executive branch, and even to consider executing a coup against its own Department of Defense, White house (including the two chambers of congress) then consider yourself looking at a hot-war with Russia.

If the executioner is not willing to stand down and defy his blind and corrupt master……then Game Over.

The department of defense will then have to consider whether it is worth to be hit by Russian ICBMs.

Maybe the word ‘powerless’ is not adequate, but I think Trump has a lot of struggles. There is an enormous bureaucracy involved, a lot of three letter word agencies and a hostile press.
Also, maybe he was not that free in choosing the people around him. My guess is, that this shady Mike Pence was simply appointed to him by the GOP for his nomination.

You could also discuss, whether appointing his daughter and her shady husband as ‘advisers’ was very lucky, that might also have been a tradeoff.
And maybe he was also not completely free in the appointment of Nikki Hayley. But, we have seen other idiots in this position, like Samantha Powers and John Bolton. Their task is to make ‘strong statements’.

It was not to be expected that all of a sudden all kinds of results would come out from the Trump-Putin meeting. The most important result is that they have spoken, longer than expected.

It struck me that Putin was quite extensive in his description of Trump, normally he is very diplomatic and reluctant in this.

I remember that the Saker once wrote, from an insider who knows Trump personally, that in reality he is of ‘impeccable politeness’. Maybe he is.

The President is commander in chief of the armed forces and is responsible for international treaties with foreign governments. However, in practice the President is not expected to create foreign policy, merely to take the lead in implementing it. Foreign policy is actually written elsewhere by various organizations largely outside of government.

External control has become much more blatant since the 90s. Two key foreign policy directives are the Wolfowitz Doctrine and the Project for the New American Century. Wolfowitz served under H.W. Bush as the Undersecretary of Defense for Policy. Not a particularly impressive sounding position, thus some might find it peculiar that the “Wolfowitz Doctrine” was not called the “Bush Doctrine”.

In the case of the PNAC, the chairman was William Kristol, a commentator and analyst with no government affiliation. Nevertheless, both the Wolfowitz Doctrine and PNAC have had profound influences on US foreign policy.

In view of this reality, it’s important to not set expectations for what Trump can actually accomplish too high, whatever his goals.

This really isn’t true. The Office of US President has extraordinary powers- and Blair’s overt ‘war years’ magnified these powers significantly. There is next to no presidential ‘oversight’ when it comes to foreign policy or internal security issues.

But, and it’s a big but, the man has to be up to the challenge. And if he is, and if he runs counter to the Deep State, then of course there’s a real possibility of the ultimate sanction- assassination. But assassinating the president is vastly more problematic today than it was in the early 60s, and the fall-out means the Deep State would probably choose to wait out a ‘difficult’ prez.

Trump runs hot and cold. He has the mettle- see how he won the election race against the most coordinated anti-candidate hate campaign by the zionist mainstream media ever witnessed in Human History. Most men would have been broken by what the BBC, NYT, et al did every day for months on end. Trump, with zero conventional media support, still suceeded, and this is what Putin knows best of all.

But when Trump runs hot, he is rather brainless and ill-informed, and when he runs cold he is happy to allow the Deep State horrors around him to choose the ‘plays’ He needs a ‘bro’ there every week bonding and encouraging him. Putin has had this choice since Trump was elected- but Putin isn’t that kind of person clearly- so Putin chooses to be ‘hands off’, allowing the worst monsters to win out day to day in the Oval Office.

So things look bleak, but not because they have to be bleak. Putin has soft allies in W Europe, NATO E Europe and the Far East- cos some leaders in all three regions fear the fallout of unvarnished American neo-con/neo-liberal war-mongering actions. These leaders could be used by Putin to present a supporting united front to Trump. Will Putin do this? No. Putin has been around long enough for us to know how he operates. Putin is the ‘muscular vicar’ who likes to preach “can’t we all just get along” but he isn’t a team player. This is the problem with very strong capable alpha types. They know how to get things done, but not how to team up with like-minded alphas.

So Trump will continue to have ‘good days’ and ‘bad days’. The Deep State is ***not*** going to change Trump – that’s not possible (thankfully). But the Deep State, via their global propaganda machine, is trying to craft narratives in the minds of the sheeple (anti-Assad, anti-Iran, anti-Russian) that forces Trump, in serving popular opinion, to serve the Deep State projects. This is why the Israeli loving scum of the BBC, for instance, keep pushing the chemical weapons in Syria agenda. And I know enough thickies who get their news for the BBC who are convinced Assad is the second coming of Adolf Hitler.

(PS did you know the BBC helps the British goverment break all UN treaties on ‘child’ soldiers- Britain still actively recruits child soldiers and the BBC pushes war propaganda, Nazi style, to British children every opportunity they get- pure zionists are the closest you’ll ever get to pure evil on this planet).

So the problem with Trump is what happens when the Deep state pursuades enough sheeple that action must be taken against Assas and or Putin and or Iran. Trump will never do these things on his own accord no matter how hard the Deep State monsters push him. But Trump will act to meet apparent popular public concern.

I would say that Trump is strong, but only potentially so and in certain directions. Conversely one could say that he is weak, and policy is the resultant of his and others vectors. At the end of the day the sum of ‘weaknesses’ count more than ‘strength.’ This is a cryptic comment I know, but one I also tend to believe it.

Thanks for your insights. Noted: the article you referenced stated “Israel would prefer to have American troops enforce the cease fire in southern Syria”. Hmmm! –we say, and for all of the hot wind about “Russia meddling in our elections” is there a brave journalist out there who will ever report on Israel’s ceaseless meddling in our elections? Kinda doubt that! Also, Let’s check out how many of “our” congresspeople are bought and paid for whenever it comes to Israel, and we can see exactly where Israel’s “preference” will lead. Do these people ever get tired of being led around like pigs with rings in their noses? I guess those sacks of cash are fairly large!

‘we say, and for all of the hot wind about “Russia meddling in our elections” is there a brave journalist out there who will ever report on Israel’s ceaseless meddling in our elections?’

You know, I was very grateful that the Saker posted here the documentaries of Oliver Stone interviewing Vladimir Putin. I’m still of the opinion that these documentaries are historical.

I posted afterwards Oliver Stone being interviewed by NBC. The host and audience were simply hostile.
The item ‘meddling in the USA elections’ were raised there either (I’m getting really tired of this, to be honest).

On this -other commentators pointed at that- he seems to have said ‘ the influence of Israel was far greater’ and that was cut out of the actual sending.

It takes balls and strategic intelligence to confront Deep State. I don’t think Trump has either. At the most he’s a smart bubbles’ seller. He simply can’t do it as much as he’d want to. So it doesn’t matter if he wants.

American foreign policy is whoever had the last word by the end of the news cycle and will be contradicted by 7am the next morning.

Dr. Roberts is always right to the point. I don’t know which faction will emerge victorious but the deep/state neocons maybe loud and shrill like Nikki Hailey but that’s because they are getting more desperate. I’m actually seeing some light on the media front. The deep/media is loosing ground with their phoniness which has been well documented already with Project Veritas and the stupid CNN meme scandal.

The longer Russia and China can put off war, the weaker the empire becomes. They are far behind schedule with their empire building and time is running out. They need cold-war or world war the way a junkie needs heroin.

The best strategy for Russia is to keep on doing what it’s doing. Their best revenge is success as a whole and prosperous nation with a future for growth and harmonious relations whenever it’s possible. Stay cordial even in the face of a blistering hate-filled (and racist in my opinion) propaganda campaign and stay well armed. What I learned about Putin is that he is very, very patient and is just waiting for the world to turn and the Americans finally “get it” and will work together in the win-win style like the Chinese. Some days it seems like this will never happen but we have to have some faith, or some hope because if “they” win it’s over for all of us.

Such a cynical article is totally understandable.
However, there are interesting undercurrent patterns that are emerging.
Yes, the American media/propaganda agency, utterly controlled by agendas, which shall not lead to the betterment of the majority (in USA/empire/worldwide), except for ‘the chosen’ few, perhaps, and likely not them either, however, this estate has been pushing it way too far, for too long.
The American people seem to be realizing, many at only a sub-conscious level, the vast gap between what circulates and what they can tell with their own senses directly; and I believe the citizens in the States lag behind the other ‘western’ countries in this unavoidable realization.
That makes all of these citizens vulnerable to information feeds below their waking consciousness level, i.e. dog-whistle campaigns (but for the right reasons).
Based on the track-record/trends of the Russian leadership, they know this, and they know how to access it, and ‘how to out it!
The States/’west’/empire will use the police state infrastructures, which have been building up for years, and impose some type of extraordinary measures, likely to be justified by some atrocity(ies), conducted by the factions of the ruling elite, for just such a purpose as to justify radical stripping of rights and freedoms from the citizens/emerging enemies of the deep state/0.1%.

But back to the issue at hand…
One must admit that however it has come about, even if only niceties and happy-shiny spotlight-hogging choreography, Trump already has gone off script from the deep government; regardless of how you assess the magnitude of the event, it is a win, albeit, small.
Still any victories, no matter how small, continue to chip away at the building cognitive dissonance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance) of the citizens, making them more and more susceptible to … a better truth.

I am by no means starting a victory parade, just re-iterating many an articles’, appearing here at the Vineyard of the Saker, concluding, and/or using the assumption that the unsustainability of the current hegemony/oligopolistic 0.1% factions policies is leading to societal upheaval and likely collapse in the principle host countries of the empire (and their toadies nation vassals).

The ongoing antics of the American administration, its deeply internally conflicted policy, the cartoonish actions of key players, amongst whom Nikki Haley is become even more buffoonish that the POTUS himself, erodes public confidence of the citizens, even if only by a little bit.
Eventually this will reach a critical mass, and large disruptions will start occurring, then we’ll be discussing methods of containment.
It could happen as early as 2017!

It’s weird out here, and, like the wildfires plaguing North America, it onlt takes a tiny spark to ignite such a mass of almost (brain-)dead, dried out fuel!

“It is highly significant that the Russian news agency TASS chose to feature the evaluation of Schiller Institute President Helga Zepp-LaRouche regarding that meeting of the two Presidents, in an article headlined “Expert View: Anti-Russia Campaign in U.S.A. Failed To Block Success of Putin-Trump Meeting,” which emphasized Zepp-LaRouche’s view that the two Presidents “have similar views in their non-acceptance of wars and interventions, and interference in other countries affairs.” ”

Entire text of today’s evaluation by the Silk Road Lady takes more contours of the real world situation into account than PCR, IMHO….allowing more freedom of thought and action and human creativity to effect change, since human beings, as opposed to cynics (root = canus= dog) .utilzing the Leibnizian concept of “analysis situs”….are capable of taking into account the entire topography/geometry of the current global strategic situation, not just one’s pet peeves and familiar fire hydrants on morning walks of the last 3 decades, and actually improving it:

“Obviously, a lot of more work has to be done. The British Empire still has to be defeated. The Wall Street and City of London crowd—and their errand-boys in the Obama camp of the Democratic Party, and the Republican neo-cons—can be counted on to go ballistic over their failure to stop the Trump-Putin summit, and escalate their campaign to overthrow the Trump government. There is the danger of provoked wars in numerous theaters across the planet. But victory is within view.”

I do not understand why Trump does not fire Haley immediately and replace her with a decnetn person. Even Sanders.
Then he can turn t Tillerson—who may have the potential to do the right hting vis-a-vis lowering tensions with Russia—and tell him straight out: Get with the program now, or you are Oh you tee. Here is your next speech, and it says: The Trump Administration is working to reduce tensions with Russia.

I don’t, yet, really think that Trump is dumb.
If this were a hotel deal, he would see that his team is queering the deal.
He would not be so dumb as to reckon, Oh, well, deal falls through, doesn’t matter . . .
So, what is going on with Trump????
The more this dangerous farce continues, the more inclined I am to think that he really *has* been bodily threatened.
I think Trump does “get it,” but he doesn’t dare go ouitside the Twitter world.
he doesn’t have a team to back him up if he decides to do a major presser.
This is just so g.d. weird.
Katherine

I think we’re 20 minutes into a 3-hour movie. We have to wait it out. Everyone who’s reached a conclusion yet is wrong to do so. They may turn out to have guessed right, but it will be by sheer luck, and from the wrong clues – it would be better to admit the mystery of the situation.

The US political situation really is so weird that it makes Trump look straight. In a straight situation with a level playing field he would appear as the most flamboyant, rule-bending and even game-changing actor on the stage. Instead, we have officials all around him committing crimes and even treason in daylight, and the narrative isn’t even blinking.

I think you’re exactly correct in all your observations and instincts with this one, except that I don’t think that Trump is being bodily threatened, or if he is, I don’t think he’s caving into it. And Haley is of such little importance that everyone can wait for history’s tides to carry her off. We’re seeing a surreal situation being shown up in high contrast – accidentally, for sure – by the sheer presence of Trump.

I think the establishment has never had to deal with an individual quite as challenging as this man – even his weaknesses make him difficult to capture. But what is revealed to the light of day will be seen by history as a wealth of paradigm change for the US.

We live in an age when we have to turn to the multi-polar world for sane perspective. This western scene doesn’t quite get it, and if it did it would hide the fact from us. It’s a privilege to talk to you, I have long admired your posts. Keep the faith, and draw no conclusions yet, not for another 2 hours and 40 minutes at least.

“we have officials all around him committing crimes and even treason in daylight, and the narrative isn’t even blinking.”
This is what I don’t get, big-time.
Makes me think that Trump doesn’t have enough of a team to challenge these traitors.
But perhaps the investigation is ongoing and Trump is biding his time?

Perhaps Trump is basically in Putin mode i.e., Putin vis-a-vis the nuttiness being handed to him by the USA Deep State: Walk softly and carry a big stick. But what would be Trump’s big stick in the domestic skirmish, when so many have so much invested in tripling down on castrating him. Maybe Trump needs a forceful proxy (Jeff Bridges????) who will step forward and say the obvious regarding the traitorous and insubordinate antics of senior appointees and others such as McCain. Why doesn’t Trump retweet those photos of McCain yucking it up with terrorists?

BTW, Kennedy and Khrushchev were in quite an analogous situation during and after the Missile Crisis: Facing domestic factions that wanted war or at least a permanent Cold War whereas K & K both wanted to end the Cold War. They had to communicate via a clandestine back channel and both were fearful of the consequences if their “teams” ha ha found out.

BTW, Melania looked fabulous at the G20; she and Putin were dinner partners and chatted in German. Let’s give Melania some Jacke-type cred on the international stage. Can you imagine Bill Clinton as FLOTUS!!!! OMG. My tummy is rumbling . . . Just another reason to be glad we got Trump, not Hillary!

I meant, Jackie-type cred (as in Kennedy, when JFK was “the man who brought Jackie Kennedy to Paris”).

I just thought of one other thing, obvious I am sure, but still,
which is that Putin can easily follow exactly what Trump is thinking via his Tweets.
I bet these are followed by Russian intelligence or something and “re-pweeted” in private to Putin.
Maybe Putin is even thinking about starting he own Twitter feed!
I don’t do Twitter but would do so if I could get pweets from Putin.

If you listen to the evidence carefully enough, it will speak to you and tell you what happened. If you don’t know what happened, keep listening until you do. The evidence always tells the truth. The key is not to allow yourself to be distracted away from seeing what the evidence is telling you….
….”Empirical evidence is the truth that theory must mimic.” –Dr. Judy Wood

We can say for starters, that Nikki Haley seems closer in her positions to the previous UN ambassador, than the stated positions of Trump the candidate.

I think Dr. Paul Craig Roberts is an honorable decent man of immense courage, and I have agreed with most of what he has written over the last few years. He may well be right, but that doesn’t mean to say, I agree with everything, especially with regards to Donald Trump.

Yes, the picture PCR presents of Trump, and his Associates in Washington, seems to be very accurate.

Trump came to power, on the message he was going to “Drain The Swamp”, and his history reveals that he knows a great deal about the reptiles.

It seems to me, that Trump is near the edge of the swamp, thinking he is sitting on a rock, and trying to keep his toes dry, whilst in reality he is sat on a crocodile. Trump is quite obviously tough – he has been dealing with the creatures of the swamp for most of his life. Maybe the crocodile likes Donald Trump – as if he’s his horse…and is just waiting for the sign to be fed.

The rest of the current US Administration / Media – TV & Press are an embarrassment to the human race. Their lies are so transparent. They can’t even lie well.

We may actually survive this, though I doubt it.

How did this happen?

Why haven’t these psychopaths been arrested? They should be in straight jackets – and not in control of the USA and much of the rest of the world.

I’m sorry Saker but Paul Craig Roberts is not an elected representative of “the media in the entirety of the Western world.” I am in the “West” and there are millions upon millions who disagree with the MSM. Is Paul Craig Roberts not in the media located in the entirety of the western world?
He and many others, so called left/alternate media use very dangerous generalisations regularly. Why is that the likes of Roberts, when they were in government didn’t do anything about the rot? They then poke at “the unnamed” when they get out. Don’t want to upset their old work mates?

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She elucidates ( i think that’s right) and frames the deep state neocon view. She talks. loose lips.
Enabling all to see what THEY want.It’s all on show with or thru her.
Who or what would believe the things SHE say’s , if it were Trump trying to get that message across
to the world , that this is what’s going on.
The intentions of ‘ The Masters ‘, shall we say, are telegraphed to us through ms haley.

You have a good point here, while Nikki Hayley is an absolute neocon darling.

It is the tradition, that the US UN ambassador just delivers ‘strong statements’, reflecting the deep interests.

In doing so, she even makes Trump looking intelligent and diplomatic ;-)

I have to deflect that. I think Trump is underestimated.
When he told his wife Melania dad he wanted to run for president, she apparently told him ‘are you sure about this, I know you, when you compete you are going to win’.

If we accept title thesis the implication is that, since “relations” must improve due to fundamental forces – due to reality – then these institutions within government and media must stop obstructing the inevitable. How this happens will be quite a show – and there are many pathways through such a process. Some look nicer than others… (hint) One way they can change is through the paycheck as Orwell said more or less, and then there are direct ways – not nice – but history shows the entire set, horrid, or not so bad…

I note that cnn is now asking for a bailout…geewhiz…selling themselves again…
jail would maybe be cheaper…but politics is expensive, eh?

I would like to set a few things straight in your mind. Paul, surely you can remember that it was Obama who chose Donald Trump for President. It was Obama who got Hillary to a boost Trump. It was Obama’s FBI which hurt Hillary a few days out from the vote. It was Obama who taunted Trump every year at his dinner…in effect goading Trump into seeking the presidency.

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