What would this "non-military 'national service' for ALL 16-year-olds" involve? I'm 20 now so it won't really affect me, but I'm wondering exactly what it's going to be all about. Sounds like a load of shit to be honest.

Community service for everyone pretty much. Maybe it will solve problems, but when I was 16 (and if I had to do it now too) I wouldn't have cared about it and would have put in the least amount of effort to get through it without causing a problem for myself.

Both sets of people want to preserve their culture, you can't honestly say Bill 101 promoted multiculturalism, nor does the separatist ideal. Matter of fact, Quebec even now does the best it can to oppress especially English and American cultures in an effort to preserve their own. Quebec tries to get its culture recognized by prevent other cultures from taking it over. In Britain, if their culture gets taken over completely, then they'd just end up becoming an America with a different accent, a nation perceived as "cultureless," despite the fact that America is far from.

Immigration is, as I see it, supposed to be about moving from one nation and culture to another, and accepting that as you have gone somewhere new they are not going to operate as your old country did, and you should do the best you can to integrate with the new society. Issues arise when that doesn't happen, and when a new culture attempts to take over, as it leads to unrest and disorder from all parties involved, the new culture because they feel the need to be recognized and the old one because they want theirs to be preserved. Such an issue has lead to wars in the past, and will likely lead to more in the future, because often times both parties feel an entitlement to their respective culture, especially if there is a lot of it present, even if it is a foreign culture. In my eyes, allowing another culture to co-exist in one's country is no problem, but when it begins to rob that country of its own culture, then it becomes a problem. That doesn't mean necessarily you should oppress the other culture, or try to eliminate it, but it can lead to major issues with national identity, and can often only be solved through concessions to the one culture that tend to take away from the other. I see no problem in saying you want to preserve your culture in your homeland, and I see no problem in saying you want some recognition of your culture in a foreign land, however I see a problem if your culture begins to take over the native one, and yes, that includes our current treatment of the Natives here.

Late, but these are my exact words. I totally agree with you. This might happen to Sweden too in a not too distant future.

Jordan Blackshaw, 21, of Marston, Cheshire, and Perry Sutcliffe-Keenan, 22, of Warrington, also Cheshire, were jailed for four years each after admitting using Facebook to incite disorder, although none actually resulted.

A 17-year-old from Suffolk has been banned from using social networking sites for 12 months and ordered to observe a three month overnight curfew for using Facebook to encourage people to riot. He said the remarks were not meant to be taken seriously.

Anderson Fernandes, 22, was warned by a judge at Manchester Magistrates' Court he may face jail for stealing two scoops of ice cream. He will be sentenced next week after admitting burglary.

Nicolas Robinson, 23, of Borough, south-east London, was jailed for six months for burglary. He took a £3.50 case of water from Lidl supermarket

Mother-of-two Ursula Nevin, from Manchester, was jailed for five months for receiving a pair of shorts given to her after they had been looted from a city centre store.

The Recorder of Chester, Judge Elgan Edwards, said he hoped the sentences, which carried maximum sentences of 10 years, would act as a deterrent to others.

The only reason the riots spread was because people thought they could get away with it. Tough sentencing is a way to try and tell people they can't get away with it.

Tougher sentences as a "deterrent" simply don't work. It might scare people momentarily, but I guarantee you if an opportunity came by again, opportunists aren't going to stay at home and say "well if I did that I'd go to jail".

Really? Jail time instead of a fucking community service that most people get should be enough to make people think twice. It's a joke when we have police and detectives working hard to catch criminals and they get off with hardly anything. What happened to the "Justice"?

My dad worked a case on a thief, who committed 12 burglaries (one was his own grandmother) and 2 muggings. Got him to admit to them all and everything. He got 5 years. Won't even serve all of that.

Really? Jail time instead of a fucking community service that most people get should be enough to make people think twice. It's a joke when we have police and detectives working hard to catch criminals and they get off with hardly anything. What happened to the "Justice"?

My dad worked a case on a thief, who committed 12 burglaries (one was his own grandmother) and 2 muggings. Got him to admit to them all and everything. He got 5 years. Won't even serve all of that.

Really? Jail time instead of a fucking community service that most people get should be enough to make people think twice. It's a joke when we have police and detectives working hard to catch criminals and they get off with hardly anything. What happened to the "Justice"?

Sounds to me like you aren't interesting in reform, rehabilitation, or any real "justice", only retribution and bloodlust.

Sounds to me like you aren't interesting in reform, rehabilitation, or any real "justice", only retribution and bloodlust.Edited:You're seriously comparing Mutually Assured Destruction to "tough on crime" policies?Edited:That has not worked and will never work.Edited:Again, that's not going to be the result.

Bloodlust? Haha, I haven't mentioned anything like that, stop putting words in my mouth. I do think rehabilitation is very important, otherwise the prison sentence is wasted. But I think they need to be sufficiently punished, the Police are being let down by the "justice" system.And as for the tough rioting sentences, I think the Police and government need to put out a message that it won't be tolerated, to stop it kicking off again.

Reminds me of that Byron woman who did a Supernanny-style show back when they were 'in.' The government commissioned her to do a study on whether video games are ruining our childrens minds, and she reported that video games were actually pretty cool and the people need to shit the fuck up with sensationalist bullshit

Are you saying that black people shouldn't have free speech? I've been to england once so I know it very well and it is a very racist country. You are all racist and I am right.

1) Who said the person quoted was Black
2)Part of the population is discriminatory, as with evey country but that doesn't mean that they are the majority. Hate groups like the BNP and the EDL have little to no support.
3)It's a well known fact that the majority of the UK hates England so I can obviously see you're biased due to the fact that you've misconstrued my sentance.