At about 14:00 in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0z-QzUG_Eo three out of the four guys are throwing RHBH shots that are flipping up and fading right down towards the basket. Are they just using extremely understable/beat in discs? I'm just wondering because I've never been able to get flight like that out of any of my understable mids/drivers (River, Tangent, M4). All I get when thrown flat is a straight flight, some turn, then a fade back to the left, and when thrown with some hyzer they flip up, fly straight, then fade back at the end. The only way I've been able to get flight like that is by throwing on a slight anny line with one of my US discs. Just wondering if I've been doing something wrong.

I have not thrown a Tangent or M4, but maybe an Underworld, Mamba, Xpress....would work more like thoses flights. I am a noodle arm and need to turn to this sort of disc to get those results. But, I agree with Thumber. Your River with enough snap and spin would go right forever.

With the exception of Feldberg... those are probably KC Rocs... They have high speed stability but when worn in can carve a line without really turning... It's a slight hyzer release that rolls ever so slowly...

If you're able to get the disc to flip up from a hyzer to flat - put more hyzer on it. If you know exactly how much hyzer gets you to level and you want it to flip up to 10 degrees below hyzer, add 10 degrees of hyzer to the throw. If I'm looking for more hyzer, I go deeper and lower with my wing angle. Same speed, same snap, more wing down release.

If you're able to get the disc to flip up from a hyzer to flat - put more hyzer on it. If you know exactly how much hyzer gets you to level and you want it to flip up to 10 degrees below hyzer, add 10 degrees of hyzer to the throw. If I'm looking for more hyzer, I go deeper and lower with my wing angle. Same speed, same snap, more wing down release.

If you want a disc to go more right (RHBH) with a hyzer flip you give it less hyzer.

With the exception of Feldberg... those are probably KC Rocs... They have high speed stability but when worn in can carve a line without really turning... It's a slight hyzer release that rolls ever so slowly...