There is a preconceived notion that MS is the lobby where the "good" players play. If you scroll through the player list, you'll quickly find out that for every good player, there is a bad player. That's simply how an elo system works. Before the NPL existed, every one played in MS.

The NPL was created so that new players are able to actually play and learn without being kicked for being a "0 gamer". This is simply it. The lobby wasn't created so that bad players can improve there. It was made to facilitate new players.

Once we decide that you aren't what we deem "a new player(very generous caps)", then you will be forced to play in a different lobby; IPL, MS or CS.

Then either delete NPL and IPL and return to the old system which obviously worked fine. It would also bring some of the players playing in NPL back to CS which has lost many players since NPL was introduced. Or let the bad and new players actually play in NPL without banning them. You cannot introduce a new lobby designed for lesser skilled players and then make them force to play in the lobby where the majority of the competitive players are even though they think they still need practice. Once again, games played or the registration date has nothing to do with the skill level of a player.

Then either delete NPL and IPL and return to the old system which obviously worked fine. It would also bring some of the players playing in NPL back to CS which has lost many players since NPL was introduced. Or let the bad and new players actually play in NPL without banning them. You cannot introduce a new lobby designed for lesser skilled players and then make them force to play in the lobby where the majority of the competitive players are even though they think they still need practice. Once again, games played or the registration date has nothing to do with the skill level of a player.

The old system did not "obviously work fine". It was difficult for new players starting out, with no protection from smurfs. The NPL exists for a very good reason.

As for the transition from NPL to MS, these are the criteria:

reached the ladder cap of 1400
multiple 13xx accounts in NPL to avoid reaching 1400 rating in NPL
resigning won games to keep your rating low (for us it's PT)
PT in general (ironically with the goal to keep the rating low, which often results, that we then ban the 1400 account as well)
active player on a MS ladder
active player on an old MS ladder (2007 - 2012 ladders)
ban evasion by sharing accounts with other players on Voobly (results into a ban for both players)

All of these show that you're ready to move out of the NPL, either because your rating is high enough, you are actively avoiding it getting high enough, or you're already playing in a different lobby. Yes, the transition can still be tough, but you're not a new player and you should've learned by now that losing to stronger players is a part of the game as well.

Then either delete NPL and IPL and return to the old system which obviously worked fine. It would also bring some of the players playing in NPL back to CS which has lost many players since NPL was introduced. Or let the bad and new players actually play in NPL without banning them. You cannot introduce a new lobby designed for lesser skilled players and then make them force to play in the lobby where the majority of the competitive players are even though they think they still need practice. Once again, games played or the registration date has nothing to do with the skill level of a player.

You're missing the premise of my post. The lobby wasn't designed for lesser skilled players. It was designed for New Players hence the name of the lobby.

The old system did not "obviously work fine". It was difficult for new players starting out, with no protection from smurfs. The NPL exists for a very good reason.

As for the transition from NPL to MS, these are the criteria:

reached the ladder cap of 1400
multiple 13xx accounts in NPL to avoid reaching 1400 rating in NPL
resigning won games to keep your rating low (for us it's PT)
PT in general (ironically with the goal to keep the rating low, which often results, that we then ban the 1400 account as well)
active player on a MS ladder
active player on an old MS ladder (2007 - 2012 ladders)
ban evasion by sharing accounts with other players on Voobly (results into a ban for both players)

All of these show that you're ready to move out of the NPL, either because your rating is high enough, you are actively avoiding it getting high enough, or you're already playing in a different lobby. Yes, the transition can still be tough, but you're not a new player and you should've learned by now that losing to stronger players is a part of the game as well.

And how many Players do this ? i know i did not resign to stay in NPL .. i made multis but i had low score on multis so making new accounts actually made me come closer to 1400 rating cap .. MS players ..i wont comment on them .. if they are actually Right skilled player for MS they should stay in MS .. Please Brief on NPL to MS logic ... Why not NPL to IPL.

You're missing the premise of my post. The lobby wasn't designed for lesser skilled players. It was designed for New Players hence the name of the lobby.

I dont care what the lobby was designed for because its not being used for its original intention and therefore thats no argument.

Fact is that the lobby is not only used by new players but also bad players who just arent very good and rather play in an environment that fits their level and also by casual players who dont want to become good. But youre forcing both of them to move to the lobbies for competitive players by banning them. I could name you a couple of CS players who play a lot on NPL because its more casual. Since Im not a RM player I couldnt name examples there but Im sure there are also a few.

Here is an example. Ive played a couple of RM games in the MS lobby, not very succesful but anyway. So Ive been active in the RM-TG ladder. By the logic of the guy who posted above you I am not allowed to play in NPL anymore. Why? Because I have played on a MS ladder even if its with a 1-6 record? Thats bull****.

Another example. Imagine I would be a good RM player and you would ban me from NPL. What would I do if I wanted to play, lets say, Sheep vs Wolf. It is just a mod with many RM features but it feels a lot like a custom scenario, maybe also because there is a room in the CS lobby every now and then. But I heard many people play it in NPL. I would be super pissed if you didnt let me play SvW in the NPL just because Im good at RM.

IPL is taking the bull**** to the extreme though. Why dont you just make 20 more lobbies. For every 100 points you gain, you get banned and have to move to the next lobby. I hope you understand that this is just an exaggeration but I also hope you know what my point is. What do you need 3 lobbies for in the first place? So people can noob bash and in 3 different lobbies?

I dont care what the lobby was designed for because its not being used for its original intention and therefore thats no argument.

NPL is a lobby to get familiar with Voobly and the ELO system, and whether you like it or not, 95% of all matches played in the NPL are RM games, which was the reason, why we continued developing it for RM players.

Fact is that the lobby is not only used by new players but also bad players who just arent very good and rather play in an environment that fits their level and also by casual players who dont want to become good. But youre forcing both of them to move to the lobbies for competitive players by banning them. I could name you a couple of CS players who play a lot on NPL because its more casual. Since Im not a RM player I couldnt name examples there but Im sure there are also a few.

You cannot even play a single rated CS game in the NPL, even maps like CBA won't rate in NPL. You can play these maps unrated in CS lobby if you want.

Here is an example. Ive played a couple of RM games in the MS lobby, not very succesful but anyway. So Ive been active in the RM-TG ladder. By the logic of the guy who posted above you I am not allowed to play in NPL anymore. Why? Because I have played on a MS ladder even if its with a 1-6 record? Thats bull****.

What you are saying is wrong. We consider players with more than 200 games being active players on a MS ladder, but you won't get blocked from NPL for playing a few games in MS. Seriously.

It is just a mod with many RM features but it feels a lot like a custom scenario, maybe also because there is a room in the CS lobby every now and then. But I heard many people play it in NPL. I would be super pissed if you didnt let me play SvW in the NPL just because Im good at RM.

The CS ladders we had in NPL for about 2 years have never been played by anyone. We removed CBA from the list of rated maps, after we had the same problems in NPL, we still have in CS, not to mention all those "friendly" CS players that came over to NPL which caused hundreds of complaints every week, to reset CBA matches. The currently most played CS map in NPL is still CBA Hero though, but players of NPL play it with Triple Tech Mod only (a mod that unrates every game). As for Sheep VS Wolf or Jurrasic Park, those maps should be played in the CS lobby where they belong.

IPL is taking the bull**** to the extreme though. Why dont you just make 20 more lobbies. For every 100 points you gain, you get banned and have to move to the next lobby. I hope you understand that this is just an exaggeration but I also hope you know what my point is. What do you need 3 lobbies for in the first place? So people can noob bash and in 3 different lobbies?

Then what do you suggest? Those 20 people playing in IPL seem to be happy with the lobby, everyone else is playing in MS.