If people think that GC and Blizzard are doing a bad job with WoW because of falling sub numbers, just look at what happened to SWTOR. That game was designed exactly like how some people here want WoW to be designed. No LFR, no shortcuts, grinding leveling, etc. That game came out and fell flat on its face.

..and it had a HUGE franchise to back it up and a studio that has proven it can do great SW games.

Sold 2 million copies and went down to under 500 000 subs in months. Talking about shedding 75% in under a year. Or am I completely wrong here?

I disagree. Class balance was utterly broken during vanilla and tbc and it only started to become better from wrath

I'm only going off some stuff he's said in the past, I feel that if he can't get shit right in a reply, then I'd rather he didn't reply at all. But then, some people would complain about being ignored.

Like I said, He gets shit wrong, but I don't envy his position, I don't know of anyone who could do the job better.

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You don't stand next to someone and speak In Spanish in an uncrowded area. Thats not a freedom concept.

The sub loss was going to happen regardless of what Blizzard did. You can't capture lightning in a bottle twice. Those of you who gripe about WoW's changes don't seem to realize that without those changes, WoW's subs would be in the 1 million range at this point.

I don't think he should be fired, but you're stupid if you think GCs decisions haven't affected the amount of subs. Largely the work of GC has been bandaids to add as many players as possible in the short-term, but now as we approach the long term, people are quitting, yeah in large part because of things implemented by GC and his crew.

Originally Posted by PrairieChicken

I disagree. Class balance was utterly broken during vanilla and tbc and it only started to become better from wrath

The proscene of wow pvp began in TBC, and in the later seasons many pro's will tell you they were considerably more balanced than the game is now. However, the undisputed most balanced pvp occurred in WOTLK, as the non-existent pro scene will tell you. And I say non-existent because it was decimated in cataclysm and has been declining ever since.

Why not replace Tom Chilton, he is the over all game director. GC is under him, if you wanna bitch about anyone why not direct your hate at him?

Fun fact, Pardo (lead dev for Vanilla/BC) is reportedly coming back to the Wow team.

Writing on chilton's wall?

"Oh, who does my hair? You might have heard of my stylist. It's called the Void!"
"No matter how much you plead I will not sprout tentacles or turn into a giant eyeball. Well, I might. But not because you asked!"

I don't think he should be fired, but you're stupid if you think GCs decisions haven't affected the amount of subs. Largely the work of GC has been bandaids to add as many players as possible in the short-term, but now as we approach the long term, people are quitting, yeah in large part because of things implemented by GC and his crew.

I wonder if you have seriously considered what you are writing and have considered it from all angles when WoW has an unprecedented amount of subs over an unprecedented time? And when actually no sub based MMO has ever had a running time like WoW? And no MMO ever KEPT their sub number at the peak that they have reached at a point. That is just a fact. No game.

Your claim would be as good as mine if I turned your words around and said "It is only BECAUSE of GCs decision that this many people have stuck around so long with such an old game".

If the game hadn't evolved since TBC and changes implemented, WoW would have under a million subs.

Irony noted as a good example that every single day I see more arrogance and honestly people acting like total assholes here than I see from all of the Blizzard devs in a month. No, I doubt if Street will be fired and just about everything he does is signed off on by people further up the food chain at Blizzard. Just more shoot the messenger posts in a thread that's not going to settle anything.

The mans only experience in video games is Age of Empires, for him to come across as a condescending prick that he knows what is best for the game than the people who actually play the damn thing is what I dislike about him, hell he said game play over lore! So hey let's make a game that we can't balance, class choice is becoming irrelevant because of all the homogenization, where the game play was better 2 expansions ago..................WITH A CRAP STORY! Great idea Greg!

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people - Martin Luther King, Jr.

Irony noted as a good example that every single day I see more arrogance and honestly people acting like total assholes here than I see from all of the Blizzard devs in a month. No, I doubt if Street will be fired and just about everything he does is signed off on by people further up the food chain at Blizzard. Just more shoot the messenger posts in a thread that's not going to settle anything.

There are definitely a lot of people who post here who think they know a lot more about good game design than people who do it for a living.

Stating an opinion as fact does not make it fact. Opinions are not fact. So don't be stupid and make a fool of yourself by trying to pass off your opinion as fact.

Ghostcrawler has been one of the best things to happen to WoW balance in a long time. Almost every spec is viable at least in PVE. All tanks and all healers are relatively close to each other. PVP may be another story, but for PVE balance has been very solid.

I guess the GC-haters would have preferred to go back to the era of Tigole and Foror, where Warriors were the only tanks, all heal-capable hybrids were told to heal or STFU, and mages and enhancement shamans one-shot everyone.

I would agree with the posters that think GC has kept subscribers from falling even more than they did. I also disagree with the premise the flex is a weak solution for a lack of catch-up content - catch-up content exists already, people are just too impatient to do a lot of it. Flex may provide something of a solution there, in that people can carry their friends, but old heroics provided that as well (and more effectively). More importantly, flex fills the role of the old 10m normal runs.

Lore is an entertaining guy, and I used to watch the weekly marmot regularly. Unfortunately, while knowledgeable, as you get more experienced and more progressed, you start to realize that he isn't nearly as knowledgeable as he first seems. While I don't doubt he has a beneficial role to play at Blizzard, I don't think he could do GC's job.

The proscene of wow pvp began in TBC, and in the later seasons many pro's will tell you they were considerably more balanced than the game is now. However, the undisputed most balanced pvp occurred in WOTLK, as the non-existent pro scene will tell you. And I say non-existent because it was decimated in cataclysm and has been declining ever since.

Oh you mean during TBC when locks can take off their gear and spam 1234 and will faceroll anyone?

Pro scene happened during TBC because it was first time arena was introduced not because it had wonderful balance

No way, but it is most definitely an extremely close second. New zones alone, but maybe I'm biased because I love oriental architecture and I love that they made some of the landscapes like the tiered tea fields in China.

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