Jay,
However - if you were to spin this concept/premise differently - e.g.
presented a mechanism (e.g. similar to the Sierra Club) that would allow
us birders and naturalists to "enact liens" in order to set aside prime
Minnesota lands as sanctuary and habitats for birds, wildlife etc - e.g.
free from human predation - then I think you would "have yourself a
game"!
As the kids say today ... Go Vikings!
Ed
On 10/3/2007 1:03 AM, Ed Reilly (home) wrote:
> Jay,
>> Interesting premise - that you propose.
>> However - lets be crystal clear on this subject.
>> You posited:
>> <<...pay a share of funding needs comparable to that contributed by
> hunters and fishermen? (Hunters and fishermen pay license fees and, in
> some cases, purchase stamps for particular hunting privileges. >>
>> Hunters and fishermen pay a "fee" in exchange to reap a personal
> bounty from community lands - a bounty in which said hunters/fishers
> *remove* communal property to their personal (sole) benefit in the
> form of "lives/protein" - e.g. fish and game. These hunters/fishers
> are essentially paying fees - to provide for their dinner.
>> How dare you suggest that I need to pay a fee to set my eyes upon
> (e.g. or call to with my voice) live birds, fowl, mammals, reptiles,
> switchgrass, Prairie grass, etc in their natural habitat.
> Shame on you - is what I would say - for such a premise.
>> What next - we pay a tax (e.g. so-called fees) for clean air?
>> Ed
>>>>>>>> On 10/2/2007 11:39 PM, mou-net-request at moumn.org wrote:
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>>>> 1. Re: Green-breasted Mango story, sort of (Richard Wood)
>> 2. Sabine's Gull and Ibis - Lyon County (RBJanssen at aol.com)
>> 3. Sharp-tailed Sparrow Old Cedar (Dan Deutsch)
>> 4. about wildlife funding in Minnesota (Jim Williams)
>> 5. Harris's Sparrow, NW Bemidji, Beltrami County (Dave Carman)
>> 6. Re: about wildlife funding in Minnesota (Richard Wood)
>> 7. Re: about wildlife funding in Minnesota (Richard Wood)
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>>>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:18:48 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Richard Wood <rwoodphd at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [mou] Green-breasted Mango story, sort of
>> To: mnbird at lists.mnbird.net, mou-net at moumn.org>> Message-ID: <178116.96558.qm at web50004.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I wonder who the guy from Texas was. It might have been someone I know.
>>>> Richard
>>>> Richard L. Wood, Ph. D.
>> Hastings, MN
>>rwoodphd at yahoo.com>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Pastor Al Schirmacher <pastoral at princetonfreechurch.net>
>> To: BIRDCHAT at LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU; mnbird at lists.mnbird.net;
>>mou-net at moumn.org>> Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2007 10:56:48 AM
>> Subject: [mou] Green-breasted Mango story, sort of
>>>> Shared, with permission, from Pat Ready, Stoughton, Wisconsin:
>>>> "Last week I was telling my co-worker about going down and
>> photographing the Mango hummer in Beloit. I mention how far away some
>> folks had come to see it. When I was there a woman from AZ (visiting
>> relatives in Chicago) was there and a woman from GA (visiting her
>> sister in Milw) and a man from TX (here for an Audubon meeting) and
>> I mention this to my co-worker. She said "Man Birders are weird." I
>> briefly explained listing and Life Birds but she's convinced Birders
>> are a weird bunch.
>> So here's the kicker. As we were leaving work that day she mentioned
>> she had to get home and make dinner early because her husband had to
>> do a "Hare Run" that night. Naturally I asked what that was. She
>> explained he belongs to a running group called HASH. (Ahhh it's a
>> drinking group with a running problem) On a full moon night they do
>> the "Hare Run". Her hubby gets a 15 min. head start running with a 5
>> lb bag of flour through the streets of Madison. He has to drop the
>> flour as he runs creating a trail so the rest of the group can follow
>> him. Usually to some bar an hour away. I just looked at her and said
>> "And you think Birders are weird?! Touche!"
>>>> Al Schirmacher
>> Princeton, MN
>> Mille Lacs & Sherburne Counties
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>> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 19:19:20 EDT
>> From: RBJanssen at aol.com>> Subject: [mou] Sabine's Gull and Ibis - Lyon County
>> To: mou-net at moumn.org>> Message-ID: <c5f.191cdeea.34342bf8 at aol.com>
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>>>> The juvenile Sabine's Gull was present at 11:00 AM today October 2
>> on Cottonwood Lake. The bird was swimming along the rocky shore and
>> among the boat docks in the NE corner of the lake. The bird would
>> occasionally fly along the shore but return to the same spot where I
>> watched it for about a half hour. Across the road on Sham Lake
>> there were an estimated 3-4,00 Franklin's Gulls present. One
>> immature Ibis was still present at noon at Black Rush Marsh on the
>> lake just south of the landfill. There were 2-3,000 gulls present
>> in the area, maybe many more, about half Franklin's, half
>> Ring-billed. In and around Granite Falls and south to Marshall there
>> was a large (100's) migration of American Robins, Yellow-rumped
>> Warblers and Cedar Waxwings going on in the AM hours.
>>>> Bob Janssen
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>> Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 19:56:22 -0500
>> From: Dan Deutsch <deut0039 at umn.edu>
>> Subject: [mou] Sharp-tailed Sparrow Old Cedar
>> To: mou-net at moumn.org>> Message-ID: <4702E8B6.1020401 at umn.edu>
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>>>> Went out to Old Cedar this evening, just after the heavy downpour and
>> got really good looks at a Nelson's Sharp-tailed Sparrow at around
>> 610pm. It was located on the left-hand side of the viewing platform
>> and then flew across the water to the other side.
>>>> Dan Deutsch
>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> Message: 4
>> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 21:19:52 -0500
>> From: Jim Williams <two-jays at att.net>
>> Subject: [mou] about wildlife funding in Minnesota
>> To: MOU net <mou-net at moumn.org>
>> Message-ID: <620276A4-59D3-4A06-83B5-791E55FA6B9F at att.net>
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>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> I want to ask two questions about wildlife funding in Minnesota.
>>>>>> Before you read on -- responses, should you choose to make them --
>>> are to be off net, to me directly, please. This is a subject some
>>> might find debatable, and this network is not the place for that
>>> debate. Thanks.
>>>>>> I am working on an article for the Minneapolis Star Tribune. The
>>> subject is the source of funds for the Minnesota Department of
>>> Natural Resources. Most of the money it receives comes from hunters
>>> and fishermen. Yet, almost all of its work impacts non-game species
>>> as well, including birds.
>>>>>> How would you react if birders and other non-consumptive users of
>>> wild lands in
>>> Minnesota were asked to pay a share of funding needs comparable to
>>> that contributed by
>>> hunters and fishermen? (Hunters and fishermen pay license fees and,
>>> in some cases, purchase stamps for particular hunting privileges.
>>> Hunters and fishermen also pay a federal tax on certain items of
>>> equipment, a tax at least some of which is returned to the state
>>> of purchase for )
>>>>>> If you feel you contribute already, how do you contribute to wildlife
>>> funding in Minnesota?
>>>>>> The birder side of this discussion is important. I will appreciate
>>> your participation.
>>>>>> I will not quote you directly unless I have your permission to do so.
>>>>>> Jim Williams
>>> Wayzata
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> Message: 5
>> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 22:26:01 -0500
>> From: "Dave Carman" <dscarman at charter.net>
>> Subject: [mou] Harris's Sparrow, NW Bemidji, Beltrami County
>> To: <mou-net at moumn.org>
>> Message-ID: <20071003032425.LUDL23773.aarprv04.charter.net at David>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>> This morning an adult Harris's Sparrow was observed along with
>> White-throated Sparrows feeding at my ground feeder.
>>>>>>>> Dave Carman
>>>> Bemidji, MN
>>>> Beltrami County
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>> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 21:21:48 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Richard Wood <rwoodphd at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [mou] about wildlife funding in Minnesota
>> To: MOU net <mou-net at moumn.org>
>> Message-ID: <572816.4920.qm at web50003.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> A question of this type is asking for trouble.
>>>> That being said, my opinion is that all wild lands should come from
>> birders and others that use it. There should be no hunting money
>> used for this purpose. It seems to me that there are more birders
>> than hunters and it is time for us to ante up.
>>>> Richard
>>>> Richard L. Wood, Ph. D.
>> Hastings, MN
>>rwoodphd at yahoo.com>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Jim Williams <two-jays at att.net>
>> To: MOU net <mou-net at moumn.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2007 10:19:52 PM
>> Subject: [mou] about wildlife funding in Minnesota
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> I want to ask two questions about wildlife funding in Minnesota.
>>>>>> Before you read on -- responses, should you choose to make them --
>>> are to be off net, to me directly, please. This is a subject some
>>> might find debatable, and this network is not the place for that
>>> debate. Thanks.
>>>>>> I am working on an article for the Minneapolis Star Tribune. The
>>> subject is the source of funds for the Minnesota Department of
>>> Natural Resources. Most of the money it receives comes from hunters
>>> and fishermen. Yet, almost all of its work impacts non-game species
>>> as well, including birds.
>>>>>> How would you react if birders and other non-consumptive users of
>>> wild lands in
>>> Minnesota were asked to pay a share of funding needs comparable to
>>> that contributed by
>>> hunters and fishermen? (Hunters and fishermen pay license fees and,
>>> in some cases, purchase stamps for particular hunting privileges.
>>> Hunters and fishermen also pay a federal tax on certain items of
>>> equipment, a tax at least some of which is returned to the state
>>> of purchase for )
>>>>>> If you feel you contribute already, how do you contribute to wildlife
>>> funding in Minnesota?
>>>>>> The birder side of this discussion is important. I will appreciate
>>> your participation.
>>>>>> I will not quote you directly unless I have your permission to do so.
>>>>>> Jim Williams
>>> Wayzata
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>> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 21:39:37 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Richard Wood <rwoodphd at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [mou] about wildlife funding in Minnesota
>> To: MOU net <mou-net at moumn.org>
>> Message-ID: <743007.76972.qm at web50002.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>> That should have said, "all wild lands money should come from birders
>> and others that use it".
>>>> Richard
>>>> Richard L. Wood, Ph. D.
>> Hastings, MN
>>rwoodphd at yahoo.com>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Richard Wood <rwoodphd at yahoo.com>
>> To: MOU net <mou-net at moumn.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2007 12:21:48 AM
>> Subject: Re: [mou] about wildlife funding in Minnesota
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> A question of this type is asking for trouble.
>>>> That being said, my opinion is that all wild lands should come from
>> birders and others that use it. There should be no hunting money
>> used for this purpose. It seems to me that there are more birders
>> than hunters and it is time for us to ante up.
>>>> Richard
>>>> Richard L. Wood, Ph. D.
>> Hastings, MN
>>rwoodphd at yahoo.com>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Jim Williams <two-jays at att.net>
>> To: MOU net <mou-net at moumn.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2007 10:19:52 PM
>> Subject: [mou] about wildlife funding in Minnesota
>>>> Hi,
>>>>> I want to ask two questions about wildlife funding in Minnesota.
>>>>>> Before you read on -- responses, should you choose to make them --
>>> are to be off net, to me directly, please. This is a subject some
>>> might find debatable, and this network is not the place for that
>>> debate. Thanks.
>>>>>> I am working on an article for the Minneapolis Star Tribune. The
>>> subject is the source of funds for the Minnesota Department of
>>> Natural Resources. Most of the money it receives comes from hunters
>>> and fishermen. Yet, almost all of its work impacts non-game species
>>> as well, including birds.
>>>>>> How would you react if birders and other non-consumptive users of
>>> wild lands in
>>> Minnesota were asked to pay a share of funding needs comparable to
>>> that contributed by
>>> hunters
>>>>> and fishermen? (Hunters and fishermen pay license fees and,
>>>>> in some cases, purchase stamps for particular hunting privileges.
>>> Hunters and fishermen also pay a federal tax on certain items of
>>> equipment, a tax at least some of which is returned to the state
>>> of purchase for )
>>>>>> If you feel you contribute already, how do you contribute to wildlife
>>> funding in Minnesota?
>>>>>> The birder side of this discussion is important. I will appreciate
>>> your participation.
>>>>>> I will not quote you directly unless I have your permission to do so.
>>>>>> Jim Williams
>>> Wayzata
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