Monday, January 28, 2013

A List of Hurt Sentiments of Muslim Groups

Some people should know what will offend and what
will not but they never seem to learn. If you’re writing an article, a book or
making a movie you should first make a list of all those who will be offended
by it and then sanitise your work. This piece of sound advice is not from me
but the Honourable Minister Shashi
Tharoor. You see, Tharoor believes anything offending Hindus is a work of
art and should be appreciated and applauded as such. But if you’re about to
write anything or make any movie that has the remote chance of offending Muslims
you should think twice. He established this doctrine of free speech in a debate
with the late Christopher Hitchens. I quote Tharoor because his logic
symbolises the entire left-liberal crap in the Indian socio-political system.

Poor Ashis
Nandy! He made some comment about OBCs and Dalits being corrupt and he’s
about to pay a price for it. This was during a discussion at the latest edition
of the Jaipur Litterfest. Yes I call
them Litterfests since they seem to have nothing to do with literature but more
of a platform for political discussions. Last year the same Litterfest had to
contend with protests against Salman Rushdie’s participation. Hmm! That guy had
offended Muslims with ‘Satanic Verses’. This year the Muslims have taken
preventive measures to ensure he doesn’t turn up. Then there are those ThinkFests by the Tehelka group of
Tarun Tejpal which is tainted by accusations of extortion for ads from
the Goa govt. Then again there was another Litterfest where Girish Karnad
ranted against VS Naipaul at a function to honour the latter. While the
Rajasthan govt was quick to file FIRs against Nandy they haven’t filed any FIR
against Union Minister Sushil Shinde who spewed hatred with his “Hindu terror”
speech. It took the AP govt months to act against the Owaisis who frequently
indulge in filthy speeches.

Imagine, if Shinde had made the same statement
about “Muslim Terror” his house probably would have been burned to the ground
on the same day. He would have been lucky if there was no physical attack on
him if he were to make such a statement. And for all this, super moron Shahrukh Khan believes he’s a “victim” in India. Both Shinde and SRK have
now found a natural friend an admirer in ‘Shri’ Hafeez Saeed. I have written
many times over that our media is simply scared of Islamic terror and that
prevents them from honestly reporting the loutish and thuggish behaviour of certain
Muslim groups. Every Muslim public figure has enhanced the “victimhood” feeling
for Muslims despite some having achieved fame and fortune in India like SRK.
NDTV even specialises on topics that claim Muslims are being “stereotyped”. Let’s
see, if some Muslims are going to be angered and protest (often violently) so
frequently over every silly thing who exactly is stereotyping them?

Then Muslims claim they don’t get enough job
opportunities and aren’t accepted as part of the mainstream. Victimhood again!
Hypothetically, supposing a Muslim was employed as a senior manager and one of
his peers were to be promoted there is nothing to suggest he won’t claim being
discriminated against because he’s a Muslim and won’t go to court. The
behaviour and conduct of public figures from the Muslim community holds them to
a prison where it seems they can’t lighten up. Jokes offend them, articles
offend them, books offend them, music offends them, movies offend them; there isn’t
much that doesn’t offend them. India makes them feel like victims! Is there
anything that doesn’t offend them? Amitabh
Bachchan had to live the taint of Bofors scam for 25 years but he didn’t claim
he felt like a victim in India. SRK has faced nothing like that and yet claims
he’s victimised because he’s a Muslim in India. The nonsense of SRK has been
wonderfully exposed by Venky Vembu in Firstpost who appropriately calls it “King of Victimhood: Shah Rukh Khan bites the hand that fed him”.

Trust me, it doesn’t stop there. Three years ago
when US president Barack Obama visited India some Muslims were up in arms. In
that case the reason being a security dog from the Obama team was named “Khan”. Makes me wonder how many
movies should have been banned, theatres burnt and actors attacked because
domestic helps in Bollywood movies are often named “Ramu Kaka”. One of the greatest legal battles in the US over free
speech was between Larry Flynt (Founder of porn magazine Hustler) and religious
leader Jerry Falwell. Read about in Die Freedom. I quote from that post:

In the landmark case the US SC observed: "The fact that society may find speech offensive is not a
sufficient reason for suppressing it. Indeed, if it is the speaker's opinion
that gives offense, that consequence is a reason for according it
constitutional protection. For it is a central tenet of the First Amendment
that the government must remain neutral in the marketplace of ideas”.

Flynt and the late Falwell later
became friends and often had friendly debates. In one of those debates Flynt
mentioned that in the monthly agenda meetings of Hustler the discussion was “Who haven’t we offended this month?” Haha! That
requires constitutional protection. And he added “Time and Newsweek don’t need constitutional protection,
it is people like us who offend who need the protection”.

So when Kamal
Haasan’s latest movie “Vishwaroopam”
was banned in Tamil Nadu it’s again because Muslims protested. I haven’t seen
the movie but I hear it’s about a dance teacher who is also a Tamil-speaking
Jihadi in Afghanistan. That in itself is laughable but more laughable is that
some Muslims find it offensive, many may not even have seen the movie. Against
a petition by KH to Madras HC to revoke the ban, the court actually told him to
“discuss with the opposing members”
to find a solution. This is what appeasement has brought India to. We may now
have to negotiate solutions with those who break the law, the offenders. Who
knows, in future a molestation victim may be asked to negotiate with the
molester too.

I believe the Film Certification Board in India
should be the last word on whether a film complies with the laws in India and
if they have certified it then the movie shouldn’t be banned. If the FBC has
overlooked any provisions of law, that should be contested only in a court and
not on the streets. There was this joke floating on Twitter last evening about
a devout Arab Muslim hiring a London Taxi.

It seems there is precious little that doesn’t offend
certain groups of Muslims. I believe before Lokpal or any other law, our
parliament should now make a comprehensive list of things that offends and hurts the sentiments of some Muslims. The rest of us can abide by such a list
so that these frequent intolerant protests can stop. Alternatively, they should
make a list of things that doesn’t offend
such groups of Muslims. I believe that list would be much shorter and
easier to understand and follow. If this offends you, I am willing to
negotiate.

Of late Muslims have been up in arms against everything and seem to go unchallenged. MF Husain was the biggest hypocrite. He would paint all Hindu Gods and Goddesses in the nude. Wonder how many hours he would have lived if he had painted even a single Muslim lady in the nude?Why do Muslim actors have Hindu names in movies? Inferiority complex? They are lucky that Sharia Law does not apply to them in India. What is the status of Muslim women? Suckers all !!!

It was during M F Hussain's time that a Bangalore publisher put up a 'picture' of Prophet Mohammud for the sake of illustration in a school book. Muslims demanded his arrest and banning of the book. At the least ‘Shri’ Hafeez Saeed is true to his beliefs, something even our courts are unable to emulate. 'Secular' media has gone mute on this issue.

Good question. I don't think there is any inferiority complex, rather Muslims in India have a superiority complex, owing to the fact they ruled India for many centuries. It is the Hindu-minded movie makers and writers who do not want them to have Muslim names. Remember, actors are not at liberty to choose the character names they play. Simple. I guess the question is back on people who don't give Muslim names to the characters. Ever wonder why all TV serials are about Hindu households? It is obvious who has ill feelings about Muslims in this regard.-Babar

Congress buckling under pressure?? It encourages it. It is their policy. Devide and rule. Create feeling of insecurity and victimhood.Dont allow them to par of mainstream. Right from Shahbano case till date. IT is the votebank politics. As of the eligible voters, 50% dont vote, and in fragmented votes due to multi party system, only 1/3 share of those voting is sufficient to ensure power. i.e 1/6 (17%) of total eligible votes. So just take care of those.

Although the Congress is grossly Anti-Hindu, it is so because of its rooted allegiance with Nehruvian politics. After all a power centric party such as Congress would not mind switching sides if they realise that they are not getting into power through Muslim appeasement. Hope you realise this small difference.

Although you've only reproduced a letter from a UK newspaper it contains terms/words that will "offend the Muslims".. Haha! In such cases it is better to just provide a link instead of reproducing. Remember, no matter how strongly we feel about these issues, we have to stick within the laws in India.

Excellent piece!!! Minority appeasement has reached epic proportions in India...Even if BJP comes to power , they will be forced to follow this appeasement policy to a great extent , because if hey don't , these mullahs will go on a riot spree andin retaliation,if the police kills even one of these rabid mullahs , our MSM will cry haorse 24*7 about how minorities are butchered in India under BJP's rule!!!!

With regards to Tharoor's logic "first make a list of all those who will be offended" I would like to say that if we actually abide by it we will have books & articles that have empty pages & movies which show empty sky or the wide ocean for full 2 hours.

All these people who claim victimhood are sick people . There is SRK , there is also azharuddin ( who claimed the same thing when he was hauled up in match fixing) . They should apologize to Bharat mata and bharatvasis or leave this country forever . Yes amitabh Bachchan is far more dignified ; Srk cannot come even a light year near him when it comes to carrying oneself with magnanimity and grace . Again a good article. Hope this ignites the right temperment in all right thinking netizens

Perhaps the easier way would be to make a list of items of which Muslims don't get offended to. By the way, more recently, what was Nitish 'secular' Kumar doing in the civil-war-ridden Pakistan on the Taxpayers' money.Is the CAG sleeping? Why these politicians and media are obsessed with Pakistan only and not with other Muslim countries for e.g.Bangladesh,Indonesia etc.? Quite a mystery.

If Shah Rukh Khan feels that he is victimized in India than he is most welcome to leave this country and live in the country of his liking. secondly I want to asked him where this moron was asked to take of his shoes. Should go and complained there. Everyone in Bharat start bashing hindu.s for without any reason. Yes that is why i don.t watch all these Khans movies. why should i waste my money on these sick people. Any muslim caught doing illegal work they become victim of the Law. After all who all have given such a stature its All Indian. As far as Shinde and Chidambaram and all Congress Leaders who feel that there is Hind Terror they are also most welcome to leave India and settled down in Pakistan. Shri Hafeez Saeed ji will definitely welcome all these people. I think we all Hindus should be united now and leave our caste and give full majority to B.J.P. to me that Party is still different than rest of the so called Secular/ sickular parties. It may not be popular decision that a Foreign Minister had gone to Kandhar to bring back 166 passengers alive than in 26/11 getting morethan 166 killed that too on our own motherland. They have shown courage and exposing Congress corruption, Price Rise, Law and Order, Ms. Sushma Swaraj was the first one to asked for the death penalty for the delhi gang rape culprit, and also Ten Heads of the Pakistani Soldiers, They never hesitated to drop their TAINTED LEADERS whereas congress always degrading the constitutional bodies like CAG

"All Hindus should be united".......is it probable? If that was so, India would never have been ruled by foreigners for centuries. "Jaychands" were and are there. Even the BJP unfortunately cant remain united. Section of RSS-VHP, Keshubhai, Pravin Togadia vehementely opposing Modi. Bhairavsingh Sekhavat(Presidential Nominee from BJP) oppossed the official PM candidate Mr. Advani then. The mass popular BJP Chief ministers like Uma Bharti(MP), Kalyan sing(UP), Late Madanlal Khuran(Delhi),Yedurappa(Karnataka)left BJP / suspended from the party at some time. Central leaders like Yashwant Sinha, Jaswant Singh also left / suspended. Advani had the "Jinha" moment. There is much division on the basis of castes/sub castes/region/language that unity seems a distant dream.

@rupesh agree with you . The BJP actually means Bumbling Jokers party .Many of them suffer from foot in mouth syndrome ( advani, jaswant singh, yashwant sinha) There are also sick-u-lar stooges within them ( brajesh mishra , sudheendra kulkarni )Apart from the names suggested by you , there are many that score ' self goals' ( Prakash javadekar , ravipratap rudy- these do not have any oratory skills and yet are spokespersons that represent BJP ) Then there was the demented atal behari vajpayee himself. Frittered away a golden opportunity to completely put an end to the Gandhi Nehru dynasty when he bailed our the moron Rahul Gandhi and his girlfriend in US ( when they were caught in US with USD 160K in cash ) in some US airport . Never did issue letter rogatory to prosecute Sonia Gandhi and her wealth stacked abroad.Even now whilst these idiots fought within to oust nitin gadkari, yedyurappa - they are simply unable to capitalize on the associated journals case , the missing Sukanya case , the Robert vadra transgressions . These are real idiots . Real shakechillies of modern time that are fighting for pm's chair despite there being no guarantee that they will even get majority even as they allow others to win.I have voted for BJP since they were formed ( even in 1984 - I was not swayed by any foolish emotions ) . and will continue to do so - because BJP atleast now has a few stalwarts and the tallest amongst them all Narendra Modi ( had they posited him as PM even in 2009, perhaps they would have atleast unsettled congress then itself ) . We will have to spread the word that even a roadside donkey as a BJP candidate is better than any from the corrupt , sick , sikular, confused , Desh Drohi alternative of congress , left , regional parties ) . And continue to hope ( against hope ) that some miracle happens and Hindus unite and just blindly vote for BJP . So much so that even rigged EVM's will not help ( as it happened in gujrat in 2012 - the bookies lost heavily as they felt that with rigged EVM - Modi may not even touch 100). Let us all Continue to spread the message of Hindu unity and solidarity . And hopefully it will do the trick .

Is there some (far fetched?) conspiracy to absolve the disgrace the Brits suffered in their heydays of the Commonwealth status here in the sub-continent --- somehow remote mind-control some sections of India to put Hindu vs Pakistan into some kind of war situation (map) and let the benefits pass on to "con"gress & the hindu samaj rile in guilt of inaction / majboori. A conspiracy beneficiary are more or less stolid the more you list their accomplishments lesser they are publicized / or are spun off. But who writes these scripts? 9/11 was one such script! Royal / Elite greed for money and wealth are often the cause manifested / hidden / masked behind these unyielding chaos / upheaval - class wars / religio-political.

That is why I said for the Country sake and Patriotic People like us should work towards this goal. Leave behind all our differences. And not let the likes of sickular MSM media and Anti National and Anti Hindu people should be condemn and boycott their sponsored products all hindus should pledged that we shouldn't watch or read the Newspaper/ Channels. We all hindus should come out in numbers let there be 95% To 100% to beat the vote bank politics of these pseudo-secular parties.

Agree with you completely . we should make a beginning with the Internet Hindus . That will atleast help us know how much there are Even if 1 million boycott the sick English print media - it means they get hurt anywhere by Rs 90-150 million in a month ; ( at Rs 3-Rs 5 per day price for 30 days across 1 million ) Boycott of the pseudo News channels could hit them by approx Rs 30 million per month ( assuming just 1 million boycott it ) Extrapolating even 10 times ( which is possible - 10 million Internet Hindus india wide ) - one would have managed a Beauty of a revolution . As the impact will be huge . ( in the region of Rs 200 crores a month ) All the pseudos will get sacked immediately by the business owners and also forsaken by advertisers . We have the power but strangely we too are not uniting .

Absolutely agreed. We shall make a group.I have already stopped watching MSM, reading TOI and other useless newspapers.Meanwhile, I do not know how to make aware people about this forum. Already doing on FB. but do not know ideas. Mouth publicity is another way.

Agreed totally. Even I have stopped watching main stream news channels and print media since last couple of years. Let us hope many people join this boycott. No hindu should vote for anti-hindu (and hence anti-national) Congess henceforth in any election.

Some people should know what will offend and what will not but they never seem to learn. If you’re writing an article, a book or making a movie you should first make a list of all those who will be offended by it and then sanitise your work. #THAROOR

It was pleasant surprise and awesome exp to read about mediacroocks in newslaundry written by another great writer Mr.Ananad.Thank u for the wonderful write up again, it was blackbuster with some comedy too inbetween.long live mediacroocks.

The most hilarious one was the case on Amitabh Bachchan. It happens only in India ...

Swami Vivekananda was trying to explaining the root cause of such barbarism. It can be found in one of his "complete works" books. As I was searching the net, found an article that precisely tells what he said: (7th paragraph from top)

Islamists learnt the value of appeasement from Gandhi's time. His Khilafat movement about some stupid Caliphate in Turkey was first major appeasement step then. Imagine Muslims joining for Khilafat rather than freedom of our country.

Gandhi never uttered serious words about Mopplah riots that followed in south India - which is now told as Mopplah rebellion showing as if Muslims revolted against Britishers. It was a large scale riot against Hindus, likes of Annie Beasant wrote to MG but to no avail.

Then came the time of partition and direct action. MG, apparently, said that Hindu / Sikh women should not revolt and allow themselves to be raped by Muslim thugs.

Shah Bano, doctoring history books to suit Muslim taste buds, as recent as Azad Maidan and Owaisi's venom are all part of a long Khangressi history of Muslim appeasement.

Now I sincerely wish that Godse should have killed both MG and Nehru (grandson of Giazzuddin Khan) long before 1947 and the Hindu country (including all philosophies originating from this land) would have gone on a different growth path under likes of Sardar Patel, Subhash Chandra Bose.

Imagine, the low growth rate, thanks to Nehruvian stupidities is called Hindu Growth Rate rather than being called Congressi or Nehruvian growth rate.

Atleast all finance/ecomonics chaps reading this post should not use Hindu Growth Rate and say it Nehruvian growth rate.

Excellent as always. When ever I want to hear my inner voice, my anger at some things of give vent to my frustration amount some incident or any comments I come to u ravinawr and I,m never disappointed. Last night I was reading about the rankings of srk and I commented on it on firstpost but some how my comment couldn't get published. And now I, m on mediacrooks and my heart feels relieved. This srk who has just been declared the richest celebrity by Forbes earning over 200 crores. He doesn't realize that all the money and fame he has earned is frm this country. I think either he is too naive or playing to the gallery or most likely a cog in the wheel of the congress party. The timing of his and mr.shinde's comments r too convinient.

why don't they fly to some good country so they enjoy their freedom. this country gave mr khan & many others such as mr ajharuddin fame and money. but when ever question of law arise they are seen in round shape cap with media and show as they are innosent and media as NDTV and BDUTT & SARDESAIRAJDEEP defend them with heart

Forget offensive, I had a friend in IIT and he hated liberalisation. Why when asked, He replied with lots of pride ( not even a glint of shame) that his father used to smuggle gold which stopped due to the changes! Talk abt educated/liberal/moderate Muslims. They are the one who provide warmth of a blanket media/activism around the muslim culprits. If they succeed its individual, they fail, its the state!

Arent you generalizing a bit? Its too harsh and untrue to categorize all of muslims in same bracket. And in any case, i am more irritated by the scum thats in power which permits such fiasco's - 'hurt sentiment'.

Please realise that Mr Ravinar has not defended Ashish Nandy in any way. The Author was only trying to point out the hypocricy that whenever any Hindu feels offended & retaliates, he is immediately booked under various laws, but when muslims feel offended at drop of a hat or offend others in name of Islam then the Media projects the muslim themselves as a victim.

Mr.AAR, I think you are mugging up the Britishers history. Tell me when did Brahmin's have done anything adverse to offend the people to get converted to Christianity/Islam. It was the Namboodiri brahmins who got convertedto Islam in the Malabar area (Tipu's destructive army which desecrated lot of temples and then an aftermath of Khilafath movement these poor hapless brahmins were converted) and it was mostly upper class Nairs who got converted to Christianity in the central kerala. Only recently after Independence and that due to appeasement of Govt. at the centre and state the so called down-trodden were converted. SO ONLY BECAUSE OF THE FERTILIZER/MANURE WHICH THESE MISSIONARIES AND MULLAS WHICH THEY RECEIVED FROM THE CONGRESS RULED AND ALSO THE COMMUNISTS IN KERALA (THE APPEASEMENT POLICY OF BOTH) AND FLOUTING THE RULES AND LAWS -REF.NIYOGI COMMISSION- THEY ARE THRIVING.

Although you are diverting from the real topic, Still would ask you a few simple questions :

1) If backward Hindus in India get converted to Islam due to Bramhin atrocity, then why are most parts of Arabia, Indonesia, Malaysia, Afganistan, Pakistan, some fragments of Soviet Russia & Africa converted to Islam ? Is it because of Bramhins of India ???? 2) You are correct when you point out that their was unequality in India but would you say that their is no un-equality in Muslims ???? For a rich Sheikh, all the converted muslim women of India & elsewere are no more than easy prey for their sexual enjoyment. 3) Ever heard of American & Islamic Slave trade, British Colonialism ????

Yes, you are right Hindus must Include everyone & not just Bramhins. If you really want to see that in practise you can visit an RSS camp anywhere in India & check with your own eyes whether this philosophy is been promoted for past 80 years or not. Staunch Hindu Leaders from backward sections such as Mr Narendra Modi, Ms Uma Bharati have not fallen from sky, they are a fruit of years of continued grooming to take their rightful place in India society.

No matter how unfortunate, In-Equality is a part & parcel of life. It would always remain on this earth even if you wipe out the whole Bramhin race from planet.

1. Discussion started because Ashis Nandy was shown as a representative of victimized Hindu speaker. He was actually a racist Brahmin speaker. He doesn't represent Hindus.

2. Islam growth in other countries is understandable because they do not have a rich and vibrant culture and ancient Hinduism unlike in India. Tell me what is good in other religion that is already not there in Hinduism? Inspite of our Hindu culture if other religions are growing it is because of caste prejudice and money.

3. Who were the Ministers and Officers who were serving under Muslim Rulers and Britishers. Who did not fight for the independence but lived happily under the external rulers? It was the opportunistic and educated Brahmins. Educated because of the caste system that kept out OBC and SC/ST for centuries.

4. If injustice and inequality is part and parcel of life then why do you make a big issue about Congress Govt giving preferences to Muslims. Why can't you live with that? Why can't you accept whatever nonsense NDTV and Times Now says about Hinduism?

5. RSS breeds patriotic leaders is it? Can you tell me about RSS product Yeddyuruppa from Karnataka. The man who plundered our earth and exported it to China for a pittance and Who made BJP politics a tamasha.

6. Tell me in the last few years has BJP played the role of opposition. Which scam or scandal did it bring out? It was CAG, Supreme Court, Arvind Kejriwal, Writers who brought the scams to light. MSM atleast did a better job than BJP. BJP is fighting over who will be its PM candidate.

7. Modi and Advani alone do not make up BJP. There are tons of bad elements. In NDA Govt, Ranjan Bhattacharya son-in-law of Vajpayee was doing the role of broker for industrialist no different from Nira Radia or Chidambaram's son in UPA. He was the one who got Raul out of money trouble in US airport. He was a prominent character in Nira Radia tapes. Vajpayee the RSS product never opened his mouth about his son-in-law.George Fernandes a cheap politician who even took commission in coffins for soldiers who died in Kargil. Why should RSS-BJP support a Christian corrupt politician?The entire Telecom scam started during Pramod Mahajan time in NDA. How did Reliance a late entrant got pan India licence for a pittance of 1200 crores? Why did not RSS product Advani even open his mouth against it?Arun Jaitley a page three politician. Always roams around with Cricketers or Cine Stars. Arun Shourie the perfect pimp who gave away our PSU to Industrialists. Debt free BALCO and VSNL sold at a price which was even less than the reserves in hand of these companies. RSS never opened it mouth against its country wealth given away by BJP NDA Govt.If NDA had continued HPCL would have sold by now to RIL for just 5000 crore.Jaswant Singh a royal blood Finance Minister in NDA. He will only talk with Secretary rank officer in his ministry. He once sent out the Additional Secretary from his cabin because he doesn't want to talk to low level officials. Does RSS support these kind of untouchability. If RSS cannot raise its voice against even racist and arrogant BJP ministers how will it bring about equality in society.Sushma Swaraj, while the entire world talks about the genocide of Tamils in Srilanka, this lady who doesn't have any history knowledge gives good certificate to racist Rajapakse. Did RSS ever open its mouth against the mass murder of Tamils in Srilanka which is just 30 km from India border. May be because the Tamils there were not Brahmins.

8. Corruption has progressed from bribe to get services in Govt Office to paying money to do bad things to plundering the natural resources of India and transfering it to Industrialists.While Modi would not doing the first two forms of corruption, he is actually doing the third one. In the name of Industrial policy he is giving away Public resources to Industrialists. May be he doesn't takes his cut unlike say Sonia or Karunanidhi or Jaya. But the impact is the same.Why should he give Sadanad land to Tatas for a concession. Can't the Tatas with 4 lakh crore turnover buy their own land? FYI Tatas are selling residential flats in OMR Chennai not as outright sales but as a 99 year lease. What this means is even though you pay the price of a land and apartment, you have to transfer it after lease period. No other builder is selling this way. If Tatas value their land so much, why can't Modi give GUjarat land in lease. Why sell it?

9. Caste Prejudice along with Religion and Corruption will bring India down. Nobody can stop it.

Although I agree that caste prejudice has been ruining Hindu society for many centuries.But You are still wrongly trying to compare Dalit victimhood within the Hindu society with Muslim politics of victimhood. This is very dangerous where Dalit victimhood is equated with fake Muslim victimhood for vote bank politics. The Author has just commented about the politics of fake Muslim victimhood & has never commented against Dalits or endorsed Ashish Nandy. I hope this discussion will stop here.

Sorry, but couldnt help adding this. Isnt it very curious that all the so called protectors of disadvantaged castes are promoting social justice by promoting a narrative of Brahmin hate ? So hating brahmins will bring social justice - i am sure i will get this some day.

Regarding the other propaganda bit in above comment - i assume this is also a plant from the Sanjay Jha enterprise - all the best - your arguments are so logical that all the BJP supporters will stop voting for them :)

@Umesh Naik - dude - you really need to read a lot more history.Tipu converted all Hindu population - not just Brahmins. Brahmins , being very small percentage , ran to South Kerala with their lives, women and dieties from temples. Those who resisted the conversion and the Nair clans which formed the bulk of the army were slaughtered.

"and it was mostly upper class Nairs who got converted to Christianity in the central kerala..." - Where did this rubbish come from? Romila Thapar? Wendy Doninger? It is a missionary propaganda theory that Brahmins and Nairs were initial converts - there is absolutely no proof. Innumerable volumes have been commissioned by church to support this theory. And when that was debunked, the defence was "Its a matter of faith". And please note, nobody can say for sure who was converted - it might be from all castes.

@AARSTFU!! itna hi hate hai brahmins se to go convert to buddhism. you oxymoron. have u seen ur mayawati accumulating wealth beyond the reach of a dalit or a brahmin?? where were u when she was making staues of herself in noida?? celebrating dalit pride?? i bet u were. stop being a victim my friend. if u consider urself iinferior,then people will make u look inferior.And did u face any prejudice by by a so called brahmin?? u consider urself a dalit?? wt proof u have that u r a dalit?? i guess u r not 2000 yrs old. and just coz govt issues u a certificate,makes u all of a sudden a dalit?? u enjoyed reservation? hai na? u have a decent laptop. u have money. u live not in a ghetto i guess. nobody stops u from visiting a temple. rt? or u r one of those dalit panthers group in maharashtra who represent dalit militancy even now? ur mind stinks. see if u wud have spent tym doing some productive work,then u wud have contributed to society in a much better way rather than blabbering non sense here. and i think we both should be thankful to thousands of unknown soldiers, who belong to all castes in army,police,intelligence officials for saving our asses from terrorist elements in our country without caring which caste u and i belong to. adn again STFU!!

"What is tiringly repetitive is that the people the secularists often defend are sometimes indefensible; and that the latter’s language of human rights and conflation of agenda with issues of Dalits and other marginalised groups is just a cover for fanning disruption."

The most important part being 'conflation of agenda with issues of Dalits'

We dont have any idea who is commenting above and better not assume his caste or religion.

1) A Raja and the officers are morons because they stole public money. Not because they are Brahmins or dalits. Using their caste to say that Ashish Nandy is wrong do not make any sense, rather it buys into his argument.

2) It is nobodys case that the BJP is full of saints. But drawing false equivalent between Mayawati and Arun Shourie isnt going to help India either. In a multi-party election system , you have to take the best of the avaialbe and Modi/Advani/Jaitley/Sushma/Shourie etc are by far better than any other available option at the moment.Now regarding your statement on loot of the PSU's - enough had been said and Shourie's book have justified what he did. Whether you get convinced or not is a different issue. Now it may happen that Kejriwal and Hazare might come up with a better option tomorrow - as of now they remain marginal players.

3) For me, your entire statement is a mix-up - you use caste where i feel its totally irrelevant. You mix imperialism and caste , indifference to atrocities in Lanka and caste, Jaswant singh's behaviour and caste..in summary caste,caste,caste. Ashish Nandy might buy this argument. It doesnt sound very convincing to me.

4) It is a fact that the self-described 'left-liberal' political spectrum is ignoring/using minority fundamentalism or justifying it with a majority equivalent - for electral gains.By any stretch of imagination , it is not justifiable by caste prejudice and ills in our society.

You may disagree with my views. And in any case, i didnt mean to offend you with my earlier comments.

Yeah, I remember very clearly when Azharuddin was banned for his involvement in match fixing. His statement was " I am being targeted because I belong to minority". That fellow did not answer why he was captain of this team for more than 10 years despite being a member of minority. This has become a norm for Muslims, Dalits and other minority group. Whenever some one questions your misdeeds cry victim hood. Like Mayawati "People are targeting me (for in-proportionate income) because a Dalit has become rich." Fantastic Logic.

BTW - Does anyone know there is a village in Mewat district in Haryana, just 30 Km from Gurgaon & 50 Km from Delhi where there is no TV. The villege is 100% Muslim Abadi & Imam Saab has declared that watching TV is HARAAM.

From the school of secularism, mastering in Pseudo-Secular'ing' There are two types of terrorism:

1. Terrorism: State less people, who will create terror. They do not represent any community but claim to be part of particular country. They should never be addressed based on their community. Make sure, no one's offended.

2. Hindu Terrorism: Yes, terrorism that exists from state oriented people belonging to particular community. Make sure, they are referred with their community first.

If you observe, this is how the MSM and congress govt projects terrorism. I remember Arnab saying(not the exact words, debate available on youtube about owaisi) "I dont want to say Owaisi belonging to any particular community, he can only be an Indian or a stateless person". When it comes to Hindu bashing, this is the pattern that everyone refers it to 'Hindu'. Laws and rules are different for us as we are completely tolerant.

On SRK, he knows how publicity can be driven. He claims to be a victim then he would be able to get public sympathy and on other hand, if not no one, atleast Badkha dutt will run to him for an interview. Be in news, any publicity is good publicity.

He was stopped at NYC airport and he created huge issue. Even Salman Khan was stopped at various US airports for checking (He himself said once and also added, I do not understand why SRK is making an issue out of it). I am an Hindu and as a matter of fact, even I was once stopped at Detroit airport during one of the tight security seasons. If a person's name matches some name list in consulate, his VISA is stopped for time being until security check & FBI check is cleared. That's the process they follow.

Sad to see, SRK going to likes of Poonam Pandey or Sherlyn etc., to gain cheap publicity. I've been a great fan of him once, but as Ravinar mentioned, for me he is one of super-morons. This country and people have given him a lot. Still claims to be a victim.

Reminds me of Kerla CPM 'intellectual' K E N Kunjahammed and his identity politics - which implied that minorities are 'prey' in India and should unite to oppose majority. Despite having a history of supporting the terrorist SDPI/NDF and Jamat-e-islami in Kerala , CPM discontinued promoting this theory - probably by rightly analyzing that their vote base in Hindu population is going to take a hit.

But i wish the readers would think about why people from Andhra etc would still vote for Congress despite Shinde's Hindu terror statement. It has been widely published - its not that anyone isnt aware of it - still Congress have a huge Hindu vote base. Why ?

With respect to all of the above animated discussion on Hindus & Muslims, we must keep in mind that we are not living in a Hindu state.

If more than 1 lakh cows are slaughtered daily in this country, India, it clearly means we are in an Islamic republic. Who is primarily responsible for such condition, directly or indirectly? MK Gandhi, no doubt, for his impractical & weird philosophy on everything.

If Hindus have to be heard, if they have exist like Hindus, it can only be in a Hindu state and not in some bastard, hybrid / amalgamated rubbish concept of a nation.

Muslims are like ADHD kids, hyper all the time. Can not sit or even sh$$ straight. Need attention all the time , and if ignored cause problems. Their epidemic of intolerance of tolerance has crossed limit now. There is now growing anti-Islamic feeling in states and Europe. The politicians, leaders have, guts, love of their nation, culture and 99% are honest, unlike our Indian politician who has to be a Goonda to become a leader.

Our MSM honchos, loudmouth knotty Arnav, Burqa Butt, Beefeater, The Tool, and birds of "Bar Freeze" elite set, are high on dollar fulled drugs, alcohol and lust for power. They are no less ADHD kids like our Muslims, only cause is different.

@SPIf they are ADHD then why are they more attentive to rant everywhere for silly things.. specially uttering venom for HINDUS..and supporting MUSLIMS...?They are "useful idiots", that's why they are doing so...

@ajuba,I am sorry did not state better. If hese MSM do not make song and dance about Permitted, by Congress Party, items of discussions in Sickular India, I.e. bashing Hindus, Hinduttava, womenfolk of our epics, BJP, RSS, VHP and of course nation loving Hindus, they do not earn their upkeep. They have to make song and dance like monkeys, scratch their heads like gorillas, smile like donkeys to get attention and prove their worth. Are not those sign of ADHD suffering kids? Just watch 24x7 news Channels to see these kids.

"Indian politician who has to be a Goonda to become a leader" is absolutely true. following are also true..1- MSM is property of their BAAP(including most of the tv channels and print media - say it's news paper or magazine)2- All unlawful/illegal holding of properties.3- Auto-rickshaw mafiaand many more.....

for each and everything, there's a competent authority and Censor board is the competent authority when it comes to films and its releases. when the censor passes a film its the responsibility of the administration to ensure a safe and smooth screening. i simply don't understand this nonsense of "negotiations" after a competent authority has passed something. its a very dangerous precedent to set, tomorrow we might have people who are not satisfied by court judgements and instead of enforcing the judgement we have the accused and the complainant negotiating through an arbitrator for a compromise or an award or a settlement. even the thought is appalling. but then this is my country, here laws can be altered, modified, bent and even broken to make a selected class of people happy. jai ho.

Re: Muslims deprived of job opportunities, take the case in Kerala where the important portfolios in the Govt. are being held by Muslim League an alliance partner of Congress in the state and at the centre. Even they had a CM in the state in the past. In the Govt. depts, you could see their people in the key posts. An irony is that many more are working in various Govt. depts but they are on long term leave serving in GULF COUNTRIES and making money. And also every 7 out of 10 shops/establishments in kerala, belong to them. The automobile dealership/real estate business almost 99% of which are run by them, so also many of the hi tech related hardwares are being sold by them. All the vegetable/fruit markets are being controlled by them. I think this is relevant to whole of India. I am a loss to understand then how they are being discriminated and deprived of opportunities.

"hurting the sentiments" se yaad aaya. wonder if you remember many years back when azhar was on top of his game, he was the brand ambassador of reebok (if i remember correctly). even then the muslims had created a lot of ruckus when his autograph appeared on reebok sports shoes. issue being the name md. appearing on shoes is hurting the sentiments.

Many of you may also remember it was Mohammad Azhararuddin former cricket captain who claimed that he was hounded as because he was a Muslim when was sacked from Match fixing - forgetting the fact he was given patronage by all religions in this country.Claiming victimhood is a old ploy. SRK is indeed biting the hand that feeds him. He deserves a boycott by film fraternity for such cheap tricks and let the film Industry come out to condemn this .

seriously i & some of my other moslem frends feel bad about the activities of some of the stupids here. but the fact there is very little we can do about this. the only best thing we can do is just keep quiet and continue to go on with our life. speaking against is not an option and will invite disastrous consequences. period.as far as vishwarapoom movie is concerned it was not banned due to the protests. there are protests by some muslim outfits but that was not the reason. reasons are:1. kamal has refused to sell the movie to jayalalithaa run Jaya TV and instead sold to another channel (vijay tv) for a higher price. this is inspite of jaya asking him to sell the satellite rights to her channel.2. couple of weeks back kamal said in a public meeting that he wish to see chidambaram (a sworn enemy of jayalalithaa) as the future prime minister of india from tn. jaya who was used to listen to her slaves say that she has the qualities to become the american president didnot like this and it infuriated her even further.

jaya just used these protesting groups as a weapon to block the movie for her personal gains. the protests were not as much as it is made out to be. once the movie was banned sighting these protests then these letter pad outfits started throwing their weights around.

@rahman,It was nice to read disturbing angle to vishwaroopam issue,I think majority commentators here are not against the community as such. Its just about how MSM and some crooks in the community act as if they have been victimized in their everyday life by majority in India.We love good human being irrespective of community. ex:- Dr. kalam. He is like living god to me!...i think for many hindus n Indians.

Jaya may have "used" the situation to her gain , but what makes you think that these Muslim Orgs do not know how to milk the situation? DMK apparently has some interest in this movie , but did not utter a word against the cultural terrorism shown by these groups. Why? because of vote bank politics....

Amma treated them with kid gloves too , one because like you said there may be the Jaya TV issue involved, Two , if she had gone ahead with release of the movie on the scheduled date , these Muslims groups would have gone on a vandalism/riot spree (remember the Chennai US embassy episode????) which would have been difficult to control...you see if Muslims go on a riot , the police does not have mandate to fire or lathicharge at them(eg: Azad maidan violence)...even if one of the rioters die , our MSM and Teesta-NGOs will make a big issue out of it(See the link I posted below for dhule riots)....

These Muslim Orgs sure know everybody wants their votes and hence they think they can get away with anything and they are FLEXING their muscles.....

Mr Rehman, Why then was this movie banned in AP and Karnataka (initially) also? Why withdrawn from screens in Malaysia too? Jaya has far reaching influences is it? If you feel so very righteous about it, why did not the other moslem outfits condemn the ban? Why no political party worthy of a mention, condemned the ban! Every one colluded with Jaya is it? In my opinion, Jaya used this opportunity to expose every stake holder in the vote bank politics. Clever but self screwing too. Every one, including TN govt, must be equally and individually blamed for this problem. I think Ravi, you were too quick this time, to be sympathetic towards a comment, which mistake you have avoided all along.

@RahmanHave you seen some people from muslim community on TIMES NOW..uttering their voices with ARNOB GAYSWAMI.. If your statements are true..then why were the uttering their voices against Kamal Hassan..?

Even I heard from one of my Tamil colleague about the political angle being the cause of this. One reason to believe him is that a person like Jayalalitha, who otherwise can handle tough situations in an authoritarian manner, succumbs to such activities by a handful of people.

I agree with all your points but i must say in the same vein that Hindus play some sort of victim hood card as well. Nothing wrong with any of that. We are all citizens and we are all allowed to play victims and complain as much we want to-even using religion as identity because religion and the identity it gives us willingly or unwillingly is a fact. Fundamentalism, yes, that should be negated. Of course the SRK controversy is overblown. And of course the media cries hoarse out of proportionately about Muslim interests or more appropriately caters to Muslim fringe groups much more- so the blame is not that of the group which complains, it is that of the media and parties which play up these fringe groups. THAT is what divides us.

Another interesting news...Apparently when police shot at the Dule rioters , they didnt shoot below the waist it seems ......It does matter if the constables get killed or molested , but if one rioter(who the hell asked him to riot in the first place???) dies from the minority group , sure some constables are going to be suspended.....

I have been following TN politics for quite some time now. if there is a party or leader who doesnt need muslim vote banks and can win comfortably without them in TN it is jayalalithaa. traditionally muslim voters in tn have always aligned with DMK. dmk always take careful steps when it comes to muslim issues since it would directly affect their vote bank. same is not the case with admk. ADMK relies more on the powerful upper class hindu votes (devars) in southern tamilnadu than anyother party. these voters are significantly higher in number compared to muslim voters.

during her earlier term jayalalithaa even passed an act against forced religious conversion (it was repealed later). she didnt care about the muslim vote bank then. do u think she would do now for some actor's movie? even the muslim outfits would know their limits when it comes to protesting during admk's rule. they know she would use force if it goes beyond a limit. after all she has used force against media, terminated thousands of govt servants in one stroke, arrested karuna in midnight. even jailed the famed kanchi shankaracharya. and she is in power now and will be in power for next 3 years. what these fringe outfits can do to her? if the govt warns to the outfits clearly that they would be taken to tasks if their protests turn violent they will watch their words and actions. they would not take the govt lightly. now that they know the government is behind them they are high in confidence.

jaya is also benefitting from it as her stature has risen among muslims now after this issue. even now the govt is contesting the HC verdict in a bench and if it is rejected it would as well go to supreme court. why? she can even now say 'see i have banned it.HC has lifted it. what can i do?'

too much high octane posts and replies here.. :)) fighting continues..views and counter views..muslims are this,muslims are that, upper castes are this and that..hindus are this and what not.. RESPECT! we had a great solution in our hostel when 2 groups had a fight. we used to huddle in a big group and prepared and savoured "the joint" of some of the best G*nja available (eg. manala cream)..it was the biggest fire douser u know.. :)) i wish i could do that now with whoever is angry now a days..

this is not really a kamal vs muslim issue. this is a purely political game, where kamal is a pawn, deservedly so. jj's smart move has shown the true colors of "secularists". karuna and his ilk are in "thief stung by scorpion" syndrome, cannot support kamal or support muslims. so far jj is thinking a few moves ahead. lets see how she manages further. Even now kamal thinks "he is a son of evr", he will goto a secular country like MF Husain. where did MFH go? is that a secular country? thats kamal's rationalism and his hatred for hindus. kamal says he grew with evramaswamy naicker's philosophy and has invested all his money in this movie. yes, EVR, who married a 19yr old girl at 85 yrs of age in order to divert his wealth from his party is a great role model. kamal is receiving his karma with the recent shani transit, thats all.

I had to take 10 doses of "tolerance" pill convince myself to Watch NewsHour !! And I did after all.

There was a Muslim point of view represented by "I do not recollect", he was saying one of the Screens in the movie flashes a "Arabic verse" while a persons throat is being slit, for those who know Arabic, he says could incite trouble.

And guess what, he emphatically admits its a verse from Koran and it says non believer have to be killed !!I was amazed how idiotic one could get and could not help roll on the floor at his naiive admission !!

AAR I am commenting bit late. I am a mother and physicist by professionso cant keep myself up to date with the group effort of Media Crooks although I would love to. For your information Ashish Nandy is not bramhin :). His views are debatable but they are biased by political history of West Bengal. Of course we have B R Ambedkar a true son of the soil!! Now coming to fighting against British please look through historyacross length and breath of this subcontinent and you will find that the Bramhins and the upper castes where in forefront be it politicallyor culturally. The reason has nothing to do with caste but to do with the education/awareness and the privileges the upper castes had at the time.Subramaniam Swamy is a RSS product and he is fighting tooth and nailto clean the system including misconception of casteism. By the wayI suggest you read the book Breaking India | By: Rajiv Malhotra & Aravindan Neelakandan.

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