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Game 75, Mariners at Padres

And speaking of favorites, Mike Cameron is batting leadoff and playing center for San Diego tonight.

Ichiro-Beltre-Lopez-Ibanez-Sexson-Johjima-Reed-Betancourt-Meche.

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285 Responses to “Game 75, Mariners at Padres”

JI on
June 23rd, 2006 10:11 pm

What percentage of the blame does Hargrove take for that loss?

Thirty?
Forty?
Fifty?
All?
None?
Some?

Jim Thomsen on
June 23rd, 2006 10:11 pm

#247: Putz could very well have struck out two and gotten a ground-ball out. Or even struck out the side.

IdahoInvader on
June 23rd, 2006 10:11 pm

247

The “little good” could’ve been a strike out, right?

BelaXadux on
June 23rd, 2006 10:11 pm

Crocus-pocus. I almost hoped that Grover would bring in Guapo Guardado; he at least generally gets lefties out, and Giles eats up righthand pitching. Oh well: this game ended when they sent Sexson from second on a no-hope gangle for the out at the plate.

We’re back to seeing the Ms of the first two months; you know, the hopeful group who can’t quite figure out what this ‘win’ thing is that other teams get every other day or so. *yorrp*

pablothegreat on
June 23rd, 2006 10:11 pm

What goes on in Hargrove’s head: “The double switch is so fun that I am going to use it liberally even when it hurts the team. Most people think I am a moron and they are correct. So perhaps I will use the double switch because it is fun and it confuses AL fans and I will seem smart.”

trauts on
June 23rd, 2006 10:12 pm

I hate how it feels like we win games in spite of Hargrove and lose because of him…that we have to work as hard to overcome him as we do to overcome our opponent.

JI on
June 23rd, 2006 10:12 pm

Putz has to be unavailable. Not even Hargrove is that clueless.

LB on
June 23rd, 2006 10:12 pm

There are at least 25 other managers in MLB who would have held Putz for a save opportunity on the road. Suppose he pitches a 1-2-3 10th; then what happens? Best case, the team scores in the 11th and he needs to get 3 more outs. But he’s a “closer,” so you can’t ask him to get 6 outs. A 4-out save is thinking outside the box, for chrissakes. Grover is just going with Conventional Wisdom here.

IdahoInvader on
June 23rd, 2006 10:13 pm

Don’t worry, all you’ll hear on FSNW is how we merely ran into “great pitching” again. Isn’t that ALWAYS the excuse?

Too bad Peavy has been getting lit up by everyone else for the last month!!!

trauts on
June 23rd, 2006 10:13 pm

253, well yeah, if he strikes them out. But 2 on with one out is a sinking ship. I’d rather have Putz available with a one run lead tomorrow.

pablothegreat on
June 23rd, 2006 10:14 pm

258: Conventional wisdom suggests that the save is an overrated statistic in extra inning games.

JI on
June 23rd, 2006 10:14 pm

No, I think most managers would have their closer in there with the game on the line regardless of the SVOPP.

IdahoInvader on
June 23rd, 2006 10:14 pm

258

I’ve seen plenty of managers bring in the closer when it could be down to one last batter. Maybe not to start the inning, but when you NEED a strikeout with them loaded…

John in L.A. on
June 23rd, 2006 10:16 pm

Reading this game thread is depressing in an Inferno sort of way… or maybe more a Death of a Salesman sort of way.

How can this team zig so many times when it should zag… and vice versa?

Jim Thomsen on
June 23rd, 2006 10:17 pm

#264: More like “Long Night’s Journey Into Night” ….

IdahoInvader on
June 23rd, 2006 10:17 pm

Reed on third due to that gift passed ball and NO OUTS

THREE straight k’s

Anyone else forsee an ending like this after that happened earlier?

JI on
June 23rd, 2006 10:19 pm

How big of a false God is Meche at this point?

IdahoInvader on
June 23rd, 2006 10:19 pm

264

Probably many Stephen King novels that would fit! Our hitting is back in the “Dead Zone”

And Mateo was a real “Firestarter”

Richie needs to read “The Stand” since he needed to take one at the plate

Overall the game was probably best suited for being called “Creepshow”

LB on
June 23rd, 2006 10:21 pm

#261: Yeah, well, true but irrelevant. Who gets the last 3 outs if the M’s take a 1-run lead on the road? Your available pitches in that case are: Guardado, Mateo, Woods, and the starters. Or do you want Putz to throw 30-some pitches tonight? And what happens if the M’s don’t score in their half of the 11th, and you’ve burned Putz.

For the loss, blame the players or blame the umpire for the blown call. I don’t care if you think Hargrove has the IQ of a plug of chewing tobacco; he didn’t load the bases in the 10th and he didn’t give up the game winning hit. The overwhelming majority of managers in MLB would hold their closer for the last three outs when they’re on the road.

trauts on
June 23rd, 2006 10:21 pm

267, true, at least we get another week of high trade value…pull the fricken trigger already.

BelaXadux on
June 23rd, 2006 10:23 pm

PETCO Semetary

joser on
June 23rd, 2006 10:23 pm

Peavy may have been getting lit up by everybody else, but he owns the M’s. Let me quote myself from the end of last night’s game thread:

Well, the MÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s have done pretty well down in SD lately, and playing the NL West in general. I think they could take two out of three, but Peavey is Bad News. He may be on a losing streak at the moment, but heÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s a career 4-0 (1.69 ERA) vs the MÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s. And who knows if he has another 13K outing in him this season. The bummer is that heÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s up first, and if the MÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s lose two in a row I can see the black cloud of doom swallow them up for the rest of the monthÃ¢â‚¬Â¦.

IdahoInvader on
June 23rd, 2006 10:24 pm

More than the ump, Richie’s slow running and light collision, Mateo’s meltdown…more than ALL of those things was simply another day where the bats were terrible.

Gotta score some friggin’ runs or we lose. Very simple.

LB on
June 23rd, 2006 10:25 pm

#261: Oh yeah, it’s not “conventional wisdom” that saves are overrated. That would be post-modern sabermetric wisdom. If it’s only conventional wisdom among the Internet geeks like us, it’s not conventional wisdom.

Quiroz wins it with a bases-loaded single! Come-from-behind goodness at Cheney!

mln on
June 23rd, 2006 11:05 pm

Regarding Mike Hargrove and the double switch, he’s like that little kid who finds a shiny new toy and he can’t stop playing with it.

John D. on
June 24th, 2006 12:16 am

DOUBLE SWITCH (See # 280) – One of the problems wuith the double switch is that it is addictive. Managers can’t resist the temptation to use it, whether they should use it or not. Had GROVER not used it, when he also pulled LOPEZ, as he was changing pitchers, he would have had BLOOMQUIST to pinch-run for SEXSON in that crucial situation.
[Is the small advantage–a favorable batting-order adjustment–really worth the cost: replacing a regular with a substitute?]
(BTW, in the ’40s and ’50s, when there was no DH, I don’t remember the double switch being used so often–probably for the reason just stated.)

mickysfriend on
June 24th, 2006 1:34 am

Over hee in England and I woke up at 4am after a particularly hard days work, poor me, and thought,”Hell the boys are playing.” I got MLB radio going and lay back in my bed not knowing what to expect. Hell I didn’t expect us to throw away the 9th when we were obviously on top of them. Sexson can’t bat this year and he definately can’t run. Maybe I’m bitter. Maybe he can run but have any of you guys seen the World Cup and Ronaldo play for the Brazilians. Now I’m not saying Sexson is as goos at his game as Ronaldo used to be but the similarities are there. Not fit, no balance, not in the mood, lack of motivation but mostly he isn’t physically right.

Anyhow what i was going to mention before that little rant was that, and I didn’t know this, the radio presenter for SD mentioned that Ichiro has a poor record with batters in scoring positions. Something in the low .230’s or so. He couldn’t believe a guy who can hit so well has such a poor record in this area. Nor can I. Ichiro then struck swinging. Wow.

Anymore light on this!!

Hi from England. Is it justme over here?

John in L.A. on
June 24th, 2006 11:09 am

282 – Average with RISP is a pretty random stat… despite what a big deal radio and tv guys like to make of it.

Here’s an example:

In 2001, for the year, Ichiro was batting something like .450 (!) with RiSP. For the whole year. I just looked it up, it’s actually .445

His career is .353 with RiSP.

So his .230’s number there this year means nothing.

thehiddentrack on
June 24th, 2006 1:09 pm

Ichiro looked like a little leaguer up last night.

It’s strange how a couple things get thrown off in his swing and he suddenly just starts playing terrible.

Does anybody else DVR/record all the games while they’re on vacation, then watch them when they get back? Is it really frustrating to anybody else when the game lasts until 10:05, and the DVR stops at 10? Anybody read along with the game thread while watching, trying not to get ahead of yourself too much? Finally, doesn’t it just bug you when the game thread never actually mention how the Pad’s run actually scored? Now, I gotta go look through game logs and stuff.

Uh…God I hope nobody ever reads my lame post on this thread again…then again, why would they? Unless they don’t get back from vacation until tomorrow!