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It's not the media that needs calling out. It's the Flyers for 4 decades of failure.

If that's how you look at it...cool! Because the Flyers didn't come close to winning the Cup multiple times in those 40 years and have good teams. Nope just "4 decades of failure".

People who blame the Flyers are clueless Snider gave this city a hockey team and a consistently good one for my lifetime. They've had some great teams and with a few bounces they might have got a 3rd Cup. The ultimate goal is the Cup but it comes down to some luck and the Flyers haven't had it.

If that's how you look at it...cool! Because the Flyers didn't come close to winning the Cup multiple times in those 40 years and have good teams. Nope just "4 decades of failure".

People who blame the Flyers are clueless Snider gave this city a hockey team and a consistently good one for my lifetime. They've had some great teams and with a few bounces they might have got a 3rd Cup. The ultimate goal is the Cup but it comes down to some luck and the Flyers haven't had it. This

I just want to be clear who do you think needs to be called

I wouldn't call it "4 decades of failure", that's a little too extreme but yeah we need a Cup soon.

I wouldn't call it "4 decades of failure", that's a little too extreme but yeah we need a Cup soon.

I agree I just look at the organization and think they're doing everything they can to make it happen. Have they made the right moves? Or should they build slowly like other teams? I don't know. It's easy to find mistakes in hindsight but you can't deny they want to win and have been competitive with their strategy.

If that's how you look at it...cool! Because the Flyers didn't come close to winning the Cup multiple times in those 40 years and have good teams. Nope just "4 decades of failure".

People who blame the Flyers are clueless Snider gave this city a hockey team and a consistently good one for my lifetime. They've had some great teams and with a few bounces they might have got a 3rd Cup. The ultimate goal is the Cup but it comes down to some luck and the Flyers haven't had it.

I just want to be clear who do you think needs to be called out?

Snider. He's old, possibly senile, and needs to step aside for the good of the team. He's good a tremendous amount of good for the city and for the hockey team, but that's not going to help them in the future. His comment about the team not needing a change in culture is craziness.

They have 36 playoff wins since the salary cap has come into effect. The Bruins have 52. The Penguins have 51. The Red Wings have 63. The Blackhawks have 46, and were terrible coming out of the lockout.

The Flyers aren't an elite franchise anymore, and that is because for the last decade, Snider has gone insane and interferes way too much in a league he doesn't understand anymore.

If that's how you look at it...cool! Because the Flyers didn't come close to winning the Cup multiple times in those 40 years and have good teams. Nope just "4 decades of failure".

People who blame the Flyers are clueless Snider gave this city a hockey team and a consistently good one for my lifetime. They've had some great teams and with a few bounces they might have got a 3rd Cup. The ultimate goal is the Cup but it comes down to some luck and the Flyers haven't had it.

I just want to be clear who do you think needs to be called out?

40 years is a hell of a lot of hindsight. Hard to make excuses after a certain point.

Blanketing it as all failure is extreme, but it's definitely a massive disappointment to not have another one by now to say the very least.

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Originally Posted by Curufinwe

Why is the salary cap era the arbitrary distinction? Chicago and Pittsburgh benefitted from years and years of missing the playoffs and high draft picks.

Your claims of Huge Snider interference aren't supported by any evidence. It's just a convenient excuse to tell yourself to hide from the fact that winning a Cup is extremely hard.

Far from arbitrary. Pre salary cap and post salary cap are vastly different and the salary cap is still in effect today.

And don't forget ... 14 of those 36 playoff wins were a shootout from not even happening.

If you include that with the fact that we came back from 0-3 against Boston that playoffs we were extremely close and lucky to not having all that happen.

Before anyone argues that, just remember that if you argue that we were "just some back luck or bounces" away from winning the Cup a few times you can't pick and choose and say that we weren't some bad luck or bounces away from not even making the playoffs that season.

It's pretty dishonest to act like because right now Kimmo is old and Rosehill is on the roster that the Flyers have been stacked with goons and old defensemen for the last 10 years. Carle, Coburn, and Meszaros all played big roles during that time and up till 2013 Kimmo never played like his age.