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Downlo- I mean, procured, Abraham Lincoln vs zombies just now - quick check to see if it wasnt corrupt, and also found out there's only 1 grey filter used FOR THE ENTIRE MOVIE. Still, might be worth a few laughs.

Nolan is on the record as saying DKR has nothing at all to do with any of the occupy anything movements.

I don't know usually i'm a bit "really?" at these things like with The Dark Knight i kind of didn't get it really but it was clear Bane was a left-wing terrorist and there was a storyline of catwoman seeing the horror of people killing rich people and realising its not all its cracked up to be...i think its pretty clear in that movie really.

It was just a lucky (or unlucky) coincidence. The movie was written well before the occupy movement happened, and it's fairly common for the same idea to be had by multiple people around the same time. Call it convergent evolution if you like, or synchronicity, or multiple discovery. Calculus being invented by both Newton and Leibniz is a well known example. It happens fairly regularly with movies too, like Volcano and Dante's Peak, or Armageddon and Deep Impact, or The Illusionist and The Prestige.

I don't know usually i'm a bit "really?" at these things like with The Dark Knight i kind of didn't get it really but it was clear Bane was a left-wing terrorist and there was a storyline of catwoman seeing the horror of people killing rich people and realising its not all its cracked up to be...i think its pretty clear in that movie really.

Originally Posted by Bobtree

It was just a lucky (or unlucky) coincidence. The movie was written well before the occupy movement happened, and it's fairly common for the same idea to be had by multiple people around the same time. Call it convergent evolution if you like, or synchronicity, or multiple discovery. Calculus being invented by both Newton and Leibniz is a well known example. It happens fairly regularly with movies too, like Volcano and Dante's Peak, or Armageddon and Deep Impact, or The Illusionist and The Prestige.

Dennis O'Neil, one of the writers for the Batman DC comics said, "Gotham is Manhattan below Fourteenth Street at 3 a.m., November 28 in a cold year. Metropolis is Manhattan between Fourteenth and One Hundred and Tenth Streets on the brightest, sunniest July day of the year." IE: Downtown versus Uptown.

It's basically the difference between "humanity is basically bad" and "humanity is basically good." It's the juxtaposition of the former, known most for being a high-crime no-man's-land filled with punks, heroin addicts and prostitutes pressed cheek to jowl with the richest, most rapacious scions of high finance, against the latter, known for gleaming wide avenues, uniformed doormen and the carefree cosmopolitanism of its citizens.

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NalanoH. Wildmoon
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[/COLOR]I don't know usually i'm a bit "really?" at these things like with The Dark Knight i kind of didn't get it really but it was clear Bane was a left-wing terrorist and there was a storyline of catwoman seeing the horror of people killing rich people and realising its not all its cracked up to be...i think its pretty clear in that movie really.[/LEFT]

I didn't see it that way at all. I thought the whole 'revolution' act was Bane's way of giving people hope before he destroys the city completely. He said something to that effect at some point in the movie I think: that the best torture is when you still have hope etc, like the prisoners seeing the sunlight and hoping to get out. In any case, I think it was clear, beyond the rhetoric Bane used, that this was just retribution and not some kind of political revolution.

I had the feeling that Catwoman was the more 'politically aware'.

I really liked Bane (a force of nature like the Joker but without his chaotic streak) and the movie overall. Somehow I found myself cheering for Bane and not Batman towards the end. I was disappointed with Bane's portrayal, he goes from impeccable strategist to a mumbling idiot towards the end of the film. I think the last 20 minutes had too many things that Nolan did not explain well or made no sense.

A Fistful Of Dollars - Really great western I have to say, not got stuff in normal westerns that i hate like constant travelling and talking inaly about stuff. It has such really funny lines and a great performance by Clint Eastwood, there is some iconic moments and some really nice and interesting shots in there with a quite simple storyline but a character you don't really know where he is going to go. Probably the two best shots are the one where it makes the gang look like creatures come from hell while shooting people in a burning building, and the end shot where it just makes Clint's character come from smoke giving him a very mythic quality. Quite recommended.

Are you intending to watch that trilogy, or was that just a random choice? I'd say Fistful and A Few Dollars More are about on level terms with each other, but The Good, The Bad and The Ugly is just something else altogether. It's a fantastic trilogy and if you liked Fistful as much as you did, you should push on with the other two.

A Fistful Of Dollars - Really great western I have to say, not got stuff in normal westerns that i hate like constant travelling and talking inaly about stuff. It has such really funny lines and a great performance by Clint Eastwood, there is some iconic moments and some really nice and interesting shots in there with a quite simple storyline but a character you don't really know where he is going to go. Probably the two best shots are the one where it makes the gang look like creatures come from hell while shooting people in a burning building, and the end shot where it just makes Clint's character come from smoke giving him a very mythic quality. Quite recommended.

Clint Eastwood in specific and Spaghetti Westerns in general have breathed life into what was a dying genre by adding depth and moral ambiguity. John Wayne is one-dimensional. Eastwood is interesting.

NalanoH. Wildmoon
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Are you intending to watch that trilogy, or was that just a random choice?

Well i was doing a western model project and watched Rango so felt in a really western mood, usually westerns that re shown on TV bore me to tears so i was trying to find one that wasn't like that and the trilogy was shown as an example...from that first movie i will probably watch the rest.

I just watched Perfect Blue and it really is a far, far better movie than Black Swan (which I thought was good, but too manipulative).

Also, I liked The Dark Knight Rises far more than the other two Nolan Batman movies. I kind of see the complaints everybody has about it, but I don't care so much. Apart from the one groanworthy reveal right at the end, I thought it was a fantastic movie. Tense, funny at times, with great characters and I think the ending was quite fitting.
Predictable all the way through, but weirdly enough, I didn't care.

Actually someone has said soemthing quite brilliant about that ending spoilers!

[spoilers]What did Alfred say in the middle? I have this dream that you would be in some kind of cafe with a wife and kids but it never happens. Doesn't the ending look very very close to that dream. That makes me believe that it is Alfred's dream at the end and Batman is still dead which is quite ballsy to do. [/spoilers]

Actually someone has said soemthing quite brilliant about that ending spoilers!

[TDKR ending spoilers]Except it's a metaphorical dream. He actually goes and hopes that Bruce is there. He doesn't just imagine it up. We also know it's not a dream because he fixed the auto-pilot, so he bat-scaped his way out of the nuclear bomb going off. I appreciate that's asking a lot of belief suspension, but it is a comic-book story, so I'm willing to let it slip. The other thing that tells us it's real is that he's sitting there with Selena Kyle. Alfred's scene at the grave was to keep up the fašade. He knew Bruce wouldn't willingly throw his life away.[/spoiler]

Argh, unanticipated double post! Anyhow, got through a few films in the last 24 hours due to having a free house, so where to begin?

Fight Club is pretty damn good. I'm sure that's not news to anyone, but it was the first time I'd seen it. Unfortunately, I was fully aware of the twist, buuuut it did make watching it really interesting for all the foreshadowing done. It's not hard to see why it's so many people's favourite film, but I think the punch of it was lost for me. I think I may be enticed to read the book at some point, but it's not a priority.

Next up there's History of the World: Part 1. Of the Mel Brooks films I've seen, this is probably my least favourite. It just seems to lack a certain polish that the others have. That being said, it was still very amusing, but it didn't tickle me quite as much as I thought it would do for a Brooks' film. I think the shorter sections in it were more enjoyable, including the ending montage showing what was going to come in 'Part 2', as well as the entire Spanish Inquisition part.

Finally, The Princess Bride. A lovely parody of the fantasy/true love story that's fun to watch and very amusing. I can't really think of anything else to say. It's just very fun to watch.