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Altaica (Altaica27)

So the news cycle today is about a Muslim man on stage praising Hillary Clinton and the Democrats for sending his child into war. Trump obviously says something stupid and the media jumps on Trump.

The interesting thing here is how quickly Bill Clinton's speech at the DNC insulting Muslims got over looked.

Quote:

Bill Clinton attempted to reach out to Muslims on Tuesday and ended up slapping them.

Former president Clinton said during his Democratic convention speech, “If you’re a Muslim and you love America and freedom and you hate terror, stay here and help us win and make a future together, we want you.”

And so I say to you, if you love this country, you’re working hard, you’re paying taxes and you’re obeying the law and you’d like to become a citizen, you should choose immigration reform over somebody that wants to send you back.

If you’re a Muslim and you love America and freedom and you hate terror, stay here and help us win and make a future together. We want you.

Bill Clinton phrased it badly but was trying to be inclusive. Trump is just a buffoon.

I also love the way as man saying "look my child died for this country, I am an American patriot" is misrepresented as "praises Clinton for killing his son".

No the media do not jump on Donny for saiyng something stupid, they jump on his for saying something ignorant and dangerous.

When Donald Trump lied about the Thousands celebrating on 9/11 that was an attempt to whip up religious hatred against a religious minority. Trying to dismiss that as merely "something stupid" is the height of willful ignorance

Bill Clinton phrased it badly but was trying to be inclusive. Trump is just a buffoon.

I also love the way as man saying "look my child died for this country, I am an American patriot" is misrepresented as "praises Clinton for killing his son".

No the media do not jump on Donny for saiyng something stupid, they jump on his for saying something ignorant and dangerous.

When Donald Trump lied about the Thousands celebrating on 9/11 that was an attempt to whip up religious hatred against a religious minority. Trying to dismiss that as merely "something stupid" is the height of willful ignorance

Yes, I think wilful is the salient point.

At worst (and this requires you to ignore context) Clinton (who is not a candidate) said something badly worded, Donny says things that he means (it's his great claim to governance after all, he says it like it is). Sometimes (as in the case of "all Mexican immigrants being criminals" we can put it down to just not engaging brain before opening mouth. But other things "we will get Mexico to pay for the wall" show a dangerous lack of a grasp on reality. But then we get to the racist lies he shouts, and these are not "misspeakings" or "mistakes" they are blatant bigotry, and pretty ill informed bigotry at that.

So Trump explicitly suggesting that the reason a woman stood silently by her husband as he spoke about their dead son is that "maybe" and "you tell me" that she's not allowed to have a voice/opinion after wanting a blanket ban on all Muslims entering the nation (and remember it took him a while to agree that citizen Muslims would be an exception) and you think that's pretty much the same as Clinton explicitly welcoming Muslims and other immigrants but using awkward wording that can be interpreted in a negative light?

You're absolutely perfect. I find it impossible to tell if you're that stupid or that dishonest.

If a Dem misspeaks, it's ok. If Trump misspeaks he is an idiot and literally Hitler.

He can't literally be Hitler as Hitler is dead. What Trump has done is crossed the line established by Hitler's precedent that it doesn't and shouldn't matter if he means what he says. He should not be allowed to have any degree of power lest he attempt to act on any of it.

As to your point, he lost the right to any benefit of doubt a long time ago.

If a Dem misspeaks, it's ok. If Trump misspeaks he is an idiot and literally Hitler.

Don't be Jeremy.

Trump didn't misspeak when he called for a blanket ban on Muslims. He repeated it and then put it on his campaign website. He didn't misspeak when he suggested that she wasn't allowed to have an opinion.

There are certainly examples of people jumping on Trump for careless wording, but this isn't that.

Well, I mean if you want to stir up hate and promote violence against a specific group, misrepresenting them that grossly is a pretty good way to do it.

And it is a lot like Hitler. Which makes GOP as naive as Franz von Papen. Advocating war crimes (attacking terrorist's families) also reminds me of Hitler. Germans made a mistake in 1932. Americans does not have to make the same mistake.

Unfortunately, I don't see any solution to USA's problems, other than a revolution against the oligarchs ruling the country through lobbyists. I think the biggest problem the US is facing is that wealth is so unevenly distributed. The poor stays put, while the rich get richer. I don't see how Trump is going to change that. I don't think he wants to, since he is one of those who has benefited from the uneven distribution.

As a non-american, I am more concerned that Trump is threatening world peace, by making it clear that he may not honor treaties. So we are entering a period of unstable alliances and distrust. Sort of like the time before WWI. Trump and his voters are not the only ones to blame for this. There are paranoid, xenophobic, ignorant people in other countries too.