<div>Gnu Go has an estimate_score command with an upper and lower bound. Not sure how good it is though.<br></div><div><br></div><div>/ Andreas</div><div><br></div><div>1 september 2016 10:47:48 +02:00, skrev computer-go-request@computer-go.org:<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div class="oneComWebmail-mail"><div class="oneComWebmail-body"><div>Send Computer-go mailing list submissions to<br></div><div> computer-go@computer-go.org<br></div><div><br></div><div>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br></div><div> http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go<br></div><div>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br></div><div> computer-go-request@computer-go.org<br></div><div><br></div><div>You can reach the person managing the list at<br></div><div> computer-go-owner@computer-go.org<br></div><div><br></div><div>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br></div><div>than "Re: Contents of Computer-go digest..."<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Today's Topics:<br></div><div><br></div><div>1. Re: Having an "estimated winrate" on the AGA pro game<br></div><div>broadcasts (Robert Waite)<br></div><div>2. Re: KGS mixed human-and-bot tournaments (Michael Alford)<br></div><div>3. Fwd: Re: KGS mixed human-and-bot tournaments (Gonçalo)<br></div><div>4. Re: KGS mixed human-and-bot tournaments (Nick Wedd)<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br></div><div><br></div><div>Message: 1<br></div><div>Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 18:01:25 -0700<br></div><div>From: Robert Waite <<a href="mailto:winstonwaite@gmail.com">winstonwaite@gmail.com</a>><br></div><div>To: <a href="mailto:computer-go@computer-go.org">computer-go@computer-go.org</a><br></div><div>Subject: Re: [Computer-go] Having an "estimated winrate" on the AGA<br></div><div> pro game broadcasts<br></div><div>Message-ID:<br></div><div> <CAD1BM33SCZ8z92YB8pwS+_9_bwTwqtFLZe3StUWLB5SKHTh1MA@mail.gmail.com><br></div><div>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div><br></div><div>If you want something quick could use any engine that supports the gtp<br></div><div>command "final_score". It doesnt give win rate but will report who it<br></div><div>thinks won and by how many points. GnuGo.. pachi or commercial engines<br></div><div>likely all support it.. but calculation in early game can lag.. like 30s to<br></div><div>1min for gnugo for example.<br></div><div><br></div><div>On Aug 31, 2016 4:31 PM, "Jackson, Andrew" <<a href="mailto:andrew.jackson@usgo.org">andrew.jackson@usgo.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote><div>Ah, i forgot to put the links to example broadcasts:<br></div><div><br></div><div>Our recent broadcast of the Bailing cup semifinals:<br></div><div><a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXCkkC341L8">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXCkkC341L8</a><br></div><div>A live game from the recent US Go Congress: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube">https://www.youtube</a>.<br></div><div>com/watch?v=Z3lPUKSQU3g (commentary starts ~45 minutes in)<br></div><div><br></div><div>BTW, i'd like to point out that this doesn't necessarily need to be<br></div><div>stunningly strong or accurate, although a stronger engine would certainly<br></div><div>do a better job!<br></div><div><br></div><div>On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jackson, Andrew <<a href="mailto:andrew.jackson@usgo.org">andrew.jackson@usgo.org</a>><br></div><div>wrote:<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote><div>Hello all! Long time lurker, first time poster: I'm Andrew Jackson, i<br></div><div>volunteer w/ the AGA in a number of capacities.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Most recently, i've been putting together live broadcasts of games --<br></div><div>professional games from CJK, and also games from AGA events [1]<br></div><div><br></div><div>These broadcasts feature professional commentary to help amateurs<br></div><div>understand what's going on, but the number one question we get in the chat<br></div><div>during the broadcasts is invariably "who's winning?" I was hoping<br></div><div>computer-go could provide some suggestions on how we might run the<br></div><div>game-in-progress through an engine to get an 'estimated winrate' -- or<br></div><div>better yet, a graph -- that could be overlaid in the corner of the screen.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Which brings me to the computer-go mailing list :) It seems like someone<br></div><div>on this mailing list would probably have some good ideas about how this<br></div><div>might be accomplished :) What do you think?<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Here are some more details:<br></div><div><br></div><div>The game sgf is kept mirrored on KGS by a human transcriber w/ permission<br></div><div>from the KBA.<br></div><div><br></div><div>The overlay for these broadcasts is already rendered as a local webserver<br></div><div>hosting a simple html shell holding the graphics; my thought was that this<br></div><div>server could easily make requests to another service somewhere. That<br></div><div>service would be tracking the game and able to send back some json<br></div><div>describing the engine's view of the game, its confidence, etc. We could<br></div><div>then plot with d3.js right on the overlay.<br></div><div><br></div><div>The service would need to run somewhere else, as the computer streaming<br></div><div>the game is already using all the CPU for transcoding & pushing the video.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Given general overview of the goal & constraints, I ask you:<br></div><div><br></div><div>- Does this sound plausible?<br></div><div>- Any ideas for an engine that would be easy to hook this into?<br></div><div>- Are bots capable of spectating games on KGS?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks in advance for any help you might provide!<br></div><div>-Andrew<br></div><div><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div>Computer-go mailing list<br></div><div>Computer-go@computer-go.org<br></div><div><a target="_blank" href="http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go">http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go</a><br></div><div><br></div></blockquote><div>-------------- next part --------------<br></div><div>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div>URL: <<a target="_blank" href="http://computer-go.org/pipermail/computer-go/attachments/20160831/b22c175e/attachment-0001.html">http://computer-go.org/pipermail/computer-go/attachments/20160831/b22c175e/attachment-0001.html</a>><br></div><div><br></div><div>------------------------------<br></div><div><br></div><div>Message: 2<br></div><div>Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 18:23:43 -0700<br></div><div>From: Michael Alford <<a href="mailto:malf@aracnet.com">malf@aracnet.com</a>><br></div><div>To: <a href="mailto:computer-go@computer-go.org">computer-go@computer-go.org</a><br></div><div>Subject: Re: [Computer-go] KGS mixed human-and-bot tournaments<br></div><div>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:ad96ae58-84a5-71dd-461e-f9627aba4d0d@aracnet.com">ad96ae58-84a5-71dd-461e-f9627aba4d0d@aracnet.com</a>><br></div><div>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"<br></div><div><br></div><div>Isn't this byoyomi heavily in favor of bots?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Just asking.<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On 8/31/16 10:24 AM, Nick Wedd wrote:<br></div><blockquote><div>KGS has announced that it will be running, for the first time, a <br></div><div>"mixed" tournament where both humans and bots can play on the same <br></div><div>terms. This will be held on Saturday and Sunday, September 17th/18th.<br></div><div><br></div><div>The tournament is in two divisions, suitable for different time zones. <br></div><div>Both are 19x19, No Handicap, Single Elimination. The time settings are <br></div><div>30 minutes main time plus Canadian 2 minutes per 10 moves (30m + 2min <br></div><div>/ 10 moves). The rounds are spaced 90 min apart, 3 rounds on the first <br></div><div>day, remaining rounds on the second day.<br></div><div><br></div><div>There are details at <a target="_blank" href="https://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1070">https://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1070</a> <br></div><div><<a target="_blank" href="https://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1070">https://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1070</a>> (Asia/Europe) and <br></div><div><a target="_blank" href="https://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1071">https://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1071</a> <br></div><div><<a target="_blank" href="https://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1071">https://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1071</a>> (Americas). Bots may <br></div><div>enter both divisions. There are small prizes, which may be won by bots.<br></div><div><br></div><div>The organisers expect entrants with a wide range of strengths, and I <br></div><div>hope that these will include bots with a range of strengths. As it's <br></div><div>an Elimination tournament, weaker players are likely to be eliminated <br></div><div>on the Saturday.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Entrants are invited to register themselves for this tournament, using <br></div><div>the "Tournament Registration" link at the top right of the pages cited <br></div><div>above. When registering a bot, please also email me, so that I can <br></div><div>check that all bots are being operated by, or with the approval of, <br></div><div>their creators, and we do not have multiple instances of identical bots.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I hope all bot authors will consider entering this event.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Nick<br></div><div>-- <br></div><div>Nick Wedd <a href="mailto:maproom@gmail.com">maproom@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:maproom@gmail.com">maproom@gmail.com</a>><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div>Computer-go mailing list<br></div><div>Computer-go@computer-go.org<br></div><div><a target="_blank" href="http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go">http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go</a><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>-------------- next part --------------<br></div><div>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div>URL: <<a target="_blank" href="http://computer-go.org/pipermail/computer-go/attachments/20160831/c0651c94/attachment-0001.html">http://computer-go.org/pipermail/computer-go/attachments/20160831/c0651c94/attachment-0001.html</a>><br></div><div><br></div><div>------------------------------<br></div><div><br></div><div>Message: 3<br></div><div>Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2016 09:25:40 +0100<br></div><div>From: Gonçalo <<a href="mailto:gonmf@sapo.pt">gonmf@sapo.pt</a>><br></div><div>To: "[mailing" <<a href="mailto:computer-go@computer-go.org">computer-go@computer-go.org</a>><br></div><div>Subject: [Computer-go] Fwd: Re: KGS mixed human-and-bot tournaments<br></div><div>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:kw0b7qyyo4hftdfn8t6orx1v.1472718340175@email.android.com">kw0b7qyyo4hftdfn8t6orx1v.1472718340175@email.android.com</a>><br></div><div>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div><br></div><div>Hello,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Could you elaborate why?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Also, welcome Andrew :)<br></div><div><br></div><div>Gonçalo<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote><blockquote><div><br></div><div>Isn't this byoyomi heavily in favor of bots?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Just asking.<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On 8/31/16 10:24 AM, Nick Wedd wrote:<br></div><blockquote><div><br></div><div>KGS has announced that it will be running, for the first time, a "mixed" tournament where both humans and bots can play on the same terms. This will be held on Saturday and Sunday, September 17th/18th.<br></div><div><br></div><div>The tournament is in two divisions, suitable for different time zones. Both are 19x19, No Handicap, Single Elimination. The time settings are 30 minutes main time plus Canadian 2 minutes per 10 moves (30m + 2min / 10 moves). The rounds are spaced 90 min apart, 3 rounds on the first day, remaining rounds on the second day.<br></div><div><br></div><div>There are details at https://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1070 (Asia/Europe) and https://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1071 (Americas). Bots may enter both divisions. There are small prizes, which may be won by bots.<br></div><div><br></div><div>The organisers expect entrants with a wide range of strengths, and I hope that these will include bots with a range of strengths. As it's an Elimination tournament, weaker players are likely to be eliminated on the Saturday. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Entrants are invited to register themselves for this tournament, using the "Tournament Registration" link at the top right of the pages cited above. When registering a bot, please also email me, so that I can check that all bots are being operated by, or with the approval of, their creators, and we do not have multiple instances of identical bots.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I hope all bot authors will consider entering this event.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Nick<br></div><div>-- <br></div><div>Nick Wedd <a href="mailto:maproom@gmail.com">maproom@gmail.com</a><br></div></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><div><br></div><div>-------------- next part --------------<br></div><div>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div>URL: <<a target="_blank" href="http://computer-go.org/pipermail/computer-go/attachments/20160901/34a7fb83/attachment-0001.html">http://computer-go.org/pipermail/computer-go/attachments/20160901/34a7fb83/attachment-0001.html</a>><br></div><div><br></div><div>------------------------------<br></div><div><br></div><div>Message: 4<br></div><div>Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 09:50:31 +0100<br></div><div>From: Nick Wedd <<a href="mailto:maproom@gmail.com">maproom@gmail.com</a>><br></div><div>To: <a href="mailto:computer-go@computer-go.org">computer-go@computer-go.org</a><br></div><div>Subject: Re: [Computer-go] KGS mixed human-and-bot tournaments<br></div><div>Message-ID:<br></div><div> <CAEVtG+NA7o2UBy6xzGUaifLKWY9YceA5n5wbuQM3PozG7OedmA@mail.gmail.com><br></div><div>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div><br></div><div>On 1 September 2016 at 02:23, Michael Alford <<a href="mailto:malf@aracnet.com">malf@aracnet.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote><div>Isn't this byoyomi heavily in favor of bots?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Just asking.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Not that I'm aware of (and it's not byo-yomi, it's Canadian overtime). What<br></div><div>form of overtime do you think would be less favourable to bots?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Nick<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote><div><br></div><div>On 8/31/16 10:24 AM, Nick Wedd wrote:<br></div><div><br></div><div>KGS has announced that it will be running, for the first time, a "mixed"<br></div><div>tournament where both humans and bots can play on the same terms. This<br></div><div>will be held on Saturday and Sunday, September 17th/18th.<br></div><div><br></div><div>The tournament is in two divisions, suitable for different time zones.<br></div><div>Both are 19x19, No Handicap, Single Elimination. The time settings are 30<br></div><div>minutes main time plus Canadian 2 minutes per 10 moves (30m + 2min / 10<br></div><div>moves). The rounds are spaced 90 min apart, 3 rounds on the first day,<br></div><div>remaining rounds on the second day.<br></div><div><br></div><div>There are details at <a target="_blank" href="https://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1070">https://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1070</a><br></div><div>(Asia/Europe) and <a target="_blank" href="https://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1071">https://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1071</a><br></div><div>(Americas). Bots may enter both divisions. There are small prizes, which<br></div><div>may be won by bots.<br></div><div><br></div><div>The organisers expect entrants with a wide range of strengths, and I hope<br></div><div>that these will include bots with a range of strengths. As it's an<br></div><div>Elimination tournament, weaker players are likely to be eliminated on the<br></div><div>Saturday.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Entrants are invited to register themselves for this tournament, using the<br></div><div>"Tournament Registration" link at the top right of the pages cited above.<br></div><div>When registering a bot, please also email me, so that I can check that all<br></div><div>bots are being operated by, or with the approval of, their creators, and we<br></div><div>do not have multiple instances of identical bots.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I hope all bot authors will consider entering this event.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Nick<br></div><div>--<br></div><div>Nick Wedd <a href="mailto:maproom@gmail.com">maproom@gmail.com</a><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div>Computer-go mailing listComputer-go@computer-go.orghttp://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div>Computer-go mailing list<br></div><div>Computer-go@computer-go.org<br></div><div><a target="_blank" href="http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go">http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go</a><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>-- <br></div><div>Nick Wedd <a href="mailto:maproom@gmail.com">maproom@gmail.com</a><br></div><div>-------------- next part --------------<br></div><div>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div>URL: <<a target="_blank" href="http://computer-go.org/pipermail/computer-go/attachments/20160901/57cef536/attachment.html">http://computer-go.org/pipermail/computer-go/attachments/20160901/57cef536/attachment.html</a>><br></div><div><br></div><div>------------------------------<br></div><div><br></div><div>Subject: Digest Footer<br></div><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div>Computer-go mailing list<br></div><div>Computer-go@computer-go.org<br></div><div><a target="_blank" href="http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go">http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>------------------------------<br></div><div><br></div><div>End of Computer-go Digest, Vol 80, Issue 2<br></div><div>******************************************<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>