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Thanks my friend. The rehab is painfully slow, as am I on this board. But there is a small amount of progress, I guess.

I'm thinking of continuing to post her from time to time with positivity. But I don't feel home here like years in the past, so like so many others I may drop into obscurity altogether and let the chips fall were they may. For truth I don't need this board for any sense of personal gain, and for further truth I felt that any writings I may have contributed were for the sake of others, that they may gain from my experiences. I have no ends to further here. So to this extend, I am noble to the extreme.

Not saying I am going, but I am very close to it. I'm sure there are some popping corks. The ones on the Port side of the ship in particular

Last word... watch or read '1984'. There is no Utopia and it will never happen no matter how many people are killed in the name of it... there is only individual freedom and the life which follows from it.

SRF, I don't think anyone is popping corks. It's just a message board, and that means there are all kinds of people from all over the world. One has to get used to seeing the forest for the trees, and not assume that there are certain types of people. It's not possible to like everybody on a message board, so you have to get used to letting things go when they seem annoying. I have feeling that the younger generation is going to be very very good at this, as they have grown up on the internet.

I hope you continue to make progress, and if you feel you have something to contribute, please do. In the past you have made many thought-provoking and informative posts.

Get well soon.

"A man may build himself a throne of bayonets, but he cannot sit on it." -William Ralph Inge

Thank you I'mglib. Very nice words, and I appreciate it. However... and now we drop the "PC", there are "bitches. bastards, and cunts" who nitpick on grammar and syntax, actually "SP's" per Hubbard's definition, who reside here.

I don't need it, and don't want it. Scientology is a depressing enough subject in and of itself.

This thread is about getting out. That means identifying and changing the programming. I have no tolerance for the Two Boys (or Allen Walters) who are attempting to suck blood of the disabled. I have no sympathy for them or their victims.

I will continue to post here in the near future, but only when I feel the passion to do so.

I tend to roll when I am passionate on the subject, but right now I am protecting myself from bitches, bastards, and yes, cunts. I don't need it and I don't want it.

If this post is changed or edited due to the use of certain words, than I may not ever be back. I have a lot to say, but I am not ready at this point. I'm not comfortable, as I used to be.

PC-ness is a cancer eating into the telling of the truth. If we can get past that then I may be able to get some passion on the subject... it is my sincere hope that we can do that, Deconstructing scientology is a deadly serious business, and requires the speak of truth. No one needs to dilly and dally about the subject, or to touchy-feely call out those defending hubbard.

To those who don't like my choice of words... the feeling is more than mutual.

I'm going to think for awhile, and I'll be back. We'll see how it goes.

Notwithstanding your prediction, you won’t hear any howls from me Tony. Only a long sigh of disappointment.

You start out your opus on L Ron Hubbard with an interesting incongruity: the Village Voice sanctimoniously talking down on somebody for being “a bigamist” and an “occult dabbler.” Really? Who do you expect to stand out of line and swim against the current at the height of the Cold War, McCarthyism, and state sponsored institutional psychiatry? The monogamous, obeying, church-going Ozzie Nelson? I would think the Village Voice of all fairly influential publications would understand this: If you want to find someone to step outside the box and question the manner in which humankind has been doing business for thousands of years don’t call on Little Lord Fauntelroy.

The first crux of your attempted take down of L Ron Hubbard begins with a straw man burning of what you quote a religious scholar as calling the church’s “mythological hagiography” of Hubbard. Tony, name an established religion whose founder or messenger is promoted by its organization with anything other than a “mythological hagiography.”

You then “prove” it’s all by Hubbard’s design by taking a third-rate propaganda piece (Russell Miller’s Barefaced Messiah) and converting it into, well, your Bible. It is the same technique being used by mainstream, corporate media for the past sixty years to make fun of and tear down that which it doesn’t have the intellectual integrity to attempt to understand. So, just as you introduced your hagiography burning by allowing yourself to call my “bullshit”, please allow me to call yours.

I explained to you at some length my own considerations about Hubbard’s hagiography; and explained to you that most Independent Scientologists share them. First, I told you that I was not the kind of person to allow someone’s alleged “biography” to influence my evaluation of the workability of methods suggested by that person. In fact, I told you that I caught myself beginning to do so when I first entered a church of Scientology in 1977. But, it wasn’t in the way you’ve inferred is the only way to evaluate the worth of Scientology. I saw a photo of Hubbard in his naval uniform, with some plug as to how this showed him to be credible. I nearly made an about face right then and there because to me the last cred I would credit in the field of the mind and the spirit would be someone’s stint as an officer in the US Navy. But, I decided to keep an open mind and stay focused on what he had to offer; and more importantly to test for myself whether it produced a result. Remember, I was a writer for the alternative paper at the University I had attended before all this; I had been honing my bullshit detector for some time.

Whether Hubbard was a blood brother to Native Americans, an Eagle Scout, a teenager who in the 1920’s once used a pejorative term to refer to Chinese, was responsible for killing a sub full of people, considered homosexuality deviant in 1951, or generally went about his life with a bigger-than-life swag really never figured into the equation for me.

So, your part A, for me, is not much more than much ado about nothing.

As for your part B, the recitation and condemnation of the very few words you cherry picked out of the millions Hubbard wrote and spoke on the subject of Scientology, your techniques were even more disappointing. I’ll cite some of the words you chose to characterize as policy, and give each passage a touch of context.

a. “The only way you can control people is to lie to them.”

Tony, I have heard more than one one-hour lecture by Hubbard where takes this axiom and ruthlessly examines it toward forever freeing those listening from ever being controlled through lies.

In context, again as I explained to you, outside the culture of the church that policy letter, Keeping Scientology Working, means ‘if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.” That was the meaning my wife summed up as gleaning from it. As you know she had never set foot in any “church” of Scientology, and therefore was uninfluenced by the culture of Miscavige that interprets virtually everything for people, when I asked her to read it. But, apparently her view doesn’t count, not when it might slow down a witch burning of L Ron Hubbard.

c. “There’s only one remedy for crime — get rid of the psychs! They are causing it!”

Is Shakespeare condemned for having prescribed a disappearing of all lawyers to remedy the world’s ills? Is Michael Moore condemned for cheerleading for the abolition of all Capitalists to create peace on earth? Certainly not in your publication. Further, it really doesn’t sound much different from the attitude you’ve espoused about Scientology in your article on Hubbard. Glass houses?

d. “A truly Suppressive Person or group has no rights of any kind and actions taken against them are not punishable.”

Tony, while you know damn well that I – and all Independents I know - take exception to any attitude or conduct even reflecting adherence to the above sentence, let’s add a broader type of context. Apparently the mental health field is sixty years later coming round to Hubbard’s way of thinking. I am reading a book (The Sociopath Next Door) by a prominent practitioner in the specialty of repairing the victims of sociopaths. Her description of the sociopath reads like a modern day rewrite of Hubbard’s descriptions of what he then called the covertly hostile person, and later called the suppressive person. The psychiatrist announces that modern psychiatry cannot cure the sociopath, and muses for 3 pages beating around the bush about what then to do about them – the subtext is clear, she wishes it were 1951 and it was politically correct to say “quarantine them”, but alas, it is 2011 and she winds up babbling into apathy over the problem.

e. “MAKE MONEY. MAKE MORE MONEY. MAKE OTHER PEOPLE PRODUCE SO AS TO MAKE MORE
MONEY.”

A Finance Office policy. I think if your job is Finance and you do things that do not add up to making more money and getting others to do the same, you are not long for finance (whether you are in the Finance Office of the Catholic Church, the United Way, or General Motors). To infer this policy applies broadly to Scientologists is just a plain cheap shot.

To place L Ron Hubbard above David Miscavige in your rankings of those doing the most to “cripple Scientology” does everyone a disservice in my opinion. L Ron Hubbard died twenty-five years ago. He wrote what he wrote. He has no further say in what people do with what he wrote. Following your logic, the solution would lie along the lines a good old-fashioned book burning. Further, you are naïve to assume there are more active Corporate Scientologists (whom Miscavige demands read Hubbard the way you have chosen to) than there are Independent Scientologists (who don’t miss the forest for the trees and choose to apply what Hubbard wrote in a sensible, lawful, respectful manner befitting the age in which they live). Your final article tells the latter that they are no different than the former – that all are condemned to read and apply Hubbard as you and David Miscavige have chosen to. Worse, you aid and abet a dangerous sociopath by providing him with the ultimate defense – Hubbard made him do it.

I respectfully disagree.

While Independent Scientologists might be inclined to howl, I can guarantee you one thing. They won’t investigate you, they won’t threaten you, they won’t attempt to intimidate you, they won’t threaten to sue you, they won’t sue you, and they won’t do much of anything to make you even slightly uncomfortable.

I’ve got news for your Tony. Those facts right there about how Independent Scientologist will conduct themselves towards you is living proof that your article was dead wrong.

Peace my brother.

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Rathburn... I will debate you right here, on any subject anytime. You Missy, are attempting to take over the church (which should dissipate and the flakes blow in the wind) using the anti Miscavage sentiment to pray upon the weak. I'll cut to the chase. You, your Buddie, and Allen Walters, are cunts. I pray you fail, along with all those with visions of the life of luxury behind you. Every night, knees on the floor next to the bed, hands in a steeple, I pray you fail to suck the remaining blood from those who are misguided, confused and living in darkness due to your "beloved" pussy-man who SHOULD have had a sex-change while he was sailing the high-seas years ago... terrorizing those on board instead.

Rathburn, you can't do shit. You are no "OT". But you are a smart little bastard. You are attempting to usurp a "church" from a tyrant. Yet you believe and promote the same. That's why I call you a cunt. That's what you are: a fucking cunt.

Last thing, Missy. You are going to mega-fail. You will ultimately wind up auditing folks in your bathroom for a few hundred bucks in whatever hotel you temporarily occupy.

And by the way, Hubbard, as a cunt, is the primary reason you are one too.

You should look the word up, Missy. Those who are not cunts, are not to be offended, and I bet they will not be offended... but you and your buddies fit the definition to a tee.

And by the way again, I have been on record for years that Hubbard was the main detriment to scientology. That's because it is true! He is the iceberg. And you don't see it or want to see it because of your aspirations to become the head cheese.

Ain't going to happen big-boy. You, like the rest of us, will be left with nothing, and have to start over, once you ADMIT the truth. You're a special case, though, in that you want to bring everyone down with you.

Give my regards to Allen Walters, too. Another cunt.

Revealing who you are is EASY. Not a lot of work on my part.

Steve Jobs DID invent things we didn't know we needed till we tried them, and he DID invent those things on an already established platform... but it didn't matter because his products helped the world. You are trying to invent something on an already established platform... but that platform is disdained and abhorred and detrimental to the human condition. Good luck Missy. I have about as much sympathy for you as I do for the founding cunt. L. Ron Cunt-Face Hubbard.

I am still relatively new to this board, and I have not seen this thread before.
It seems to me that the OP is experiencing a difficult post-Scientology recovery. I am not sure if my advice to him/her is appropriate, but I am going to give it a try.
Although I am not a Buddhist, I read several books on Buddhism including the most advanced ones. Buddha gave the following advice to his followers,” If you want to move forward, you must get rid of the wrong ideas that you acquired in the past by criticizing them. Simply saying that an idea is wrong is not good enough, you must know what is exactly wrong with it. To do that you must subject that idea to logical analysis”
Saying that Dianetics is wrong is not good enough, one must know exactly why it defies the logic. Saying that engrams do not exist is not good enough, one must know why the engram idea is self-contradictory. The same is true about the implants -- one must know exactly why they do not exist as post-hypnotic suggestions.
Only after the wrong idea are subjected to logical analysis one can get rid of them completely -- this is the only way to recovery.

“This OT shit is driving me insane. On a positive side, I laugh a lot these days because I’m at a funny farm.”
L. Ron Hubbard

Hi guys n gals. I can recommend something that will be very helpful for you re rebuilding your life.
Pick up a paint brush or a pencil and begin to express yourself emotionally onto paper or canvas.
If you just let yourself get in touch with your emotions and use colours you feel like using, and draw or paint what you are feeling.
Doesn't matter that you cannot draw or paint like Michael Angelo.
It is the freedom to be SELF EXPRESSING that helps.
You can even try writing what your feelings are in a poem or a song or a short bit of prose- about where you are, or where you want to be going in life, or what you have escaped from that is now in the past.
Make sure you put the DATE on each piece of creative work and file it for future reference.
It is amazing what you will create.
You will be able to go back through your work at some time in the future and see clearly how you have been more and more able to express your EMOTIONS and THOUGHTS through your writing or your art work.
It will be a Diary of RECOVERY.
Many Artists struggle to get themselves free enough to just be expressive.
Because a lot of you wont be formally trained in Art you have the advantage of being totally FREE to develop your own style of Art.

I.C.S.A. The International Cultic Studies Association has an Arts Project called Phoenix for ex cult members and it has become quite renown for the amazing work people have done as they express their journey from bondage in a Cult, to FREEDOM and RECOVERY through Art.
Check it out on the Internet.
Consider what I suggest.
I have worked for years professionally in Community Art and can strongly recommend to you the therapeutic value of using Art on your journey of healing.

Believe in yourself and your ability to make your own decisions for yourself.
Get help if you need it, dont be afraid to reach out and ask for help from caring and supportive people, family, and professionals, when times get tough.
That is being a truly strong person when you CAN reach out and share with another human being, what you are going through.
And always have FUN doing Art and expressing yourself through Art. Enjoy the experience.
GOd Bless, all the best to you all. <3

I love your posts. Read post by Mr. Bad - he sums it up for me perfectly. The SP is the TECH! It was put there to justify why there is no such thing as Clear or OT. The whole ORG board does not work either. I had small companies that did very well long before Scientology. If I had put all those I/C's there, I would have gone broke. It is simple not this complex mirage of bullshit!

Clear is realizing "I mocked up my own reactive mind". Thank you for giving me the crock of crap. God gave us what we needed so we can survive. I look at the scientologists and it makes me sad. They are all crippled and cowed pretending to be whatever post they HAVE TO BE, OR ELSE!

The SP Tech indoctrinated me (along with staff believing it) that you RID yourself of your reactive mind. It would be gone. No more reactive mind A=A=A or held down 7's. It is the opposite of that. More and more indoctrinated in thinking you know nothing and Ron-the-nut knows all!

I think I will keep my reactive mind and am grateful I did not waste anymore time or money on this bullshit. My reactive mind is the critical part of my thinking that got me the hell out of the Cult!

I appreciate leaking all of the OT stuff too. You all helped me. This is the most effective help I have received. Thank you all!! Peace and love!

I'mGlib, I apologize to you and to all. No one is perfect, least of all myself. I was pissed and venting. I guess it has been a few years now... I'm not even going back to read, i can sort of remember. Anyway, thanks, I still have some issues, but I have been making some progress and continue to do so.

Demented, you need to read the thread, sorry! You have the wrong impression, based on what I feel relates to not being familiar with the great story told here... all of it (sorry, it's long I know)

To All: My deepest apologies. All I can say is, I was really pissed, but that is long over now. No hard feelings toward anyone. It's been a few years, I can hardly remember what had me so upset. As we all have, we have changed some, so lets forget it. I just want you all to know I am sorry. I will try to handle it differently in the future.

There are serious issues with western countries even and Australia can be just as bad in some respects

Its important to maintain a positive focus, exercise, eat healthy, create some goals and purpose, and have some joy and fun in your life. I also recommend sleep programming and hypnosis to direct your mind towards the positive

We tend to be quite animated by a positive future, and that can really lift your spirits high, especially if you have something exciting to look forward to like travel, an attractive foreign woman etc