MH17: Are Pristine and Expired Passports a Smoking Gun for a False Flag?

As the dust settles on this latest air tragedy, a number of very visible anomalies exist, all of which have been willingly glossed over by western media analyists and government officials.

Putting the current media storm into context, it’s essential to establish the political motives of those parties rushing to assign blame. Western government and major western media outlets, namely in the US and Great Britain, have been keen to politicize the incident and pin the blame for this tragedy either directly, or indirectly on Russia. 21st Century Wire’s first report on MH17 provided details revealing western media omissions, as well as our analysis of why the west’s story doesn’t add up.

On July 17th, Flight MH17, a Boeing 777 Malaysian Airlines passenger jet traveling from Amsterdam, Netherlands to to Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, crashed near the settlement of Grabovo, in Eastern Ukraine’s Donetsk region, with the 298 persons on board.

Authorities claim that the flight ‘disappeared’ from radar prior to crashing, and western media, along with the western-backed government in Kiev, claimed from the onset that the airliner was shot down by by ‘pro-Russian separatists’ with a Russian-made ‘BUK’ surface-to-air missile (SAM) system, although no evidence, other than anecdotal, exists the back Washington’s official conspiracy theory.

Questions About the Passports

It’s worth pointing out some interesting anomalies surrounding the incident, the first images broadcast over US and European broadcast networks, including reports our research team viewed from ABC and CNN, included shot of dozens of Passports being handled, presumably near the crash site, by an unknown man in front of a camera. Were these passports gathered from hundreds of charred, individual bodies, or was it something else?

Observers may consider this as one smoking gun, albeit – without the smoke, or even a scratch. Oddly, all the Passports appear in mint condition, including many contained in perfectly preserved plastic protectors – no damage, no scratches, none are deformed in any way.

The first problem with this is that, clearly, a number of these Passports have been ‘hole-punched’ in the upper left-hand corner, and ‘clipped’ (triangular cut-out from right-hand center front cover) indicating that they are either expired, and are invalid for travel – making it impossible that any of these decommissioned passports could be used to travel internationally at the flight’s port of Departure in Amsterdam. Watch this video:

The clip which ran across all US and western media outlets was only a partial clip, however, showing the passports to viewers in order to establish the human connection to the crash site.

The full clip, which did not make it to US and world audiences show this pile of pristine passports being taken out of the rear trunk (or boot) of this man’s motor vehicle, suggesting that these items may have been planted at the scene, or used to fulfill a media image required to craft the early stages of this story. Watch the full clip here:

It is very unlikely, and most probably impossible that all these passports were collected within hours – from each individual charred, dismembered or otherwise injured victim said to have died from this airline crash, and moreover, it’s impossible that all of those passports would be in mint condition, without a scratch, or bent, and everyone without burn marks etc. One could conclude here, that these Passports shown here across global media, especially the invalid/expired passports, could not have been used to travel by all the perished victims on Flight MH17.

Yet, the man going through this pile presents to the camera – the names on specific passports, and amazingly, these names do in fact match the names on Flight MH17′s manifest released to the public. The names shown by the passport man out of the truck are as follows:

Here is the master list of passengers released to the public 36 hours ago:

It would be inappropriate at this point in time to draw any conclusions, or speculate whether or not anything untoward has taken place here, and we are only stating the facts, and obvious observations. Readers and researchers can draw their own conclusions as to where these exhibits may lead.

Number and Nationalities of Victims:

Malaysia Airlines has released a new list of the nationalities of 295 passengers who were on board MH17, though it lists 27 Australian names, but according to Foreign Minister Julie Bishop is 28, including a dual-citizen:

President Obama announced Friday that there was at least one American citizen on MH17, Quinn Lucas Schansman,only there are no Americans listed on the Flight manifest provided by Malaysian Airlines, although Washington says that Schansman is a Dutch-US ‘dual citizen’.

‘Decomposed bodies’

One of the main talking points being repeated by Washington and the US media claims that, “pro-Russian rebels’ are denying access to the MH17 crash site” in Grabovo. Conversely, officials in Kiev claim to have dispatched some 200 ‘emergency workers’ to the crash site on July 17th, with the simultaneous claim that some 800-900 ‘pro-Russian militants’ are guarding the crash site. When asked on air Saturday morning, CNN International correspondent Mark Stevens remarked that his team had seen neither the 200 emergency workers, nor 800 militants, as was announced by Kiev. Just as CNN reported this segment, the news ticker below the moving image stated, ‘OSCEofficials are nowworried that bodies are beginning to decompose’,even though real decomposition normally begins after 72 hours. This talking point was pushed very hard by US media outlets.

The insistence of western media to push the ‘decomposition’ issue becomes even more interesting when coupled with a report taken hours after the crash and published via AP, where rebel spokesperson Igor Girkin stated that “a significant number of the bodies weren’t fresh,” adding that, “they were drained of blood and reeked of decomposition”. Add to this, the problems surrounding the passports outlined above, and we can certainly see a narrative being constructed designed to connect this list of victims with a SAM missile attack at the said location – which has also been joined to the talking that Russia (and Vladimir Putin) are now responsible for denying investigators access to the crash site, despite the fact that Ukrainian investigators have been at the site since Friday. At 1pm EST President Obama made an official speech deriding Russia and eastern Ukrainian rebels allegedly ‘under Moscow’s’ control’ for denying access to the crash site.

To further delay the situation (and enable decomposition), at the very same moment as Obama’s speech, it was announced that violence erupted between the Ukrainian Army and Rebels near MH17 crash site - just as international investigators were due to arrive.

Russia isn’t playing ball with the west anymore and has decided that they’re casting their lot with the BRIC nations and snubbing the @$$hat politicians on this continent. Good for them, however, as Nuland demonstrated, they were going to make an example of Russia and this is exactly what they’re doing. This is most likely a long term strategy at marginalizing Russia in the eyes of the world. Fortunately, now though, we have the Internet to fight back and expose these devils.

This will turn out to be the worst botched false flag since the U.S.S. Liberty.

Rogoraeck

Curiouser, curiouser, say Alice.

Mary Call

From reporter (a real reporter, not one of those guys bribed/blackmailed or threatened by the Rothschild owned Corporate Controlled media:

The downing of remote controlled Israeli owned so-called “Malaysian Airlines flight MH17,” filled with dead and decomposing bodies, was one dirty trick too many for the nazionists and a turning point against them has now been reached within the world’s secret agencies and governments, according to multiple sources.

What we first saw in Syria were are now seeing in the Ukraine; a failed attempt to use a manufactured incident to start a war. The nazionists created “Sarin gas attacks on civilians” in Syria and now “dead HIV scientists” in the Ukraine and used it to try to fool the US military into attacking. Only this time in the Ukraine, even more so than was the case with Syria, nobody is taking the bait.

We can see this in the nazionist controlled corporate propaganda media “attack Russia” PR campaign. For example, UK nazionist puppet Prime Minister David Cameron has asked German PM Angela Merkel and French President Francois to press for more sanctions against Russia’s Vladimir Putin but this is just a PR stunt according to MI5 sources. Cameron had to do that because he was being blackmailed by a nazionist media baron with threats to publicize his cocaine habit and his wife’s heroin addiction, the sources continued.

In any case, in the past such a public campaign by nazionist puppet leaders and the corporate propaganda media was used to condition the masses to accept an up-coming military event. Now though, nobody is buying it. No army is ready to do their bidding and even most the hired goons have stopped listening to them.

Furthemore, the internet and social media part of the nazionist campaign to vilify Russia “has been a total wipeout,” say sources in MI5 and other agencies. For example: the U-Tube presented as proof of rebel and Russian cooperation was shown to have date stamps from before the shootdown, the tweets from “a Spanish air traffic controller in Ukraine” actually came from London , the internet Putin assassination angle was fake ( Putin is too smart to overfly Ukraine) and the film being shown of the plane being shot down was from the daytime even though the plane was supposed to have been shot down at night. They are clearly losing the plot.

This entire “Malaysian plane” incident is being managed out of the State Department and by the Rand corporation, according to US based CIA sources.

Now Germany and France are so disgusted by the nazionist stunts being run out of Washington D.C. and Tel Aviv, they have decided to join the BRICS alliance, according to CIA sources in Europe. The Germans and French are systematically purging their governments of nazionist agents.

And for good reason. The fake Malaysian plane filled with bodies from the morgue stunt was the nazionist response to the announcement last week by the BRICS nations they had set up a development bank and a financial stabilization fund as a way to by-pass the cabal controlled World Bank and IMF. Think about it, here we have a group supported by over 188 nations announcing a plan to peacefully build economic infrastructure and the US and Israeli nazionists puppet governments react by shooting down a plane. Huh?

Spychiatrist

Excellent analysis.

Ros Papas aka nofearorfavor

Spot on! Just one question I want to know: why is everyone so sure the plane was downed by a BUK and not an air-to-air missile?. Can one readily detect the difference between surface and air missiles, and if so, would investigators be able accurately to pinpoint the method used to down the plane? Would greatly appreciate your thoughts please.

Gert Vermeer

I guess other airplanes would have shown up on radar.

Ros Papas aka nofearorfavor

Thanks for your response! Interestingly in an article by Pepe Escobar on global research today, what I asked you refers: here is an excerpt from it and I quote: “The damaged MH17 starboard jet engine suggests a shape charge from an air-to-air missile – and not a Buk; that’s consistent with the Russian Ministry of Defense presentation graphically highlighting an Ukrainian SU-25 shadowing MH17. Increasingly, the Buk scenario – hysterically peddled by the Empire of Chaos – is being discarded. Not to mention,
again, that not a single eyewitness saw the very graphic, thick missile trace that would have been clearly visible had a Buk been used.”
Truth is coming out.

When I read things like “the nazionist controlled corporate propaganda media” I stop reading right there.

eric collins

The “they”, who see so clearly the global conspiracy by an army of Shylock’s, I am not sure what they are conspiring about but it seems rather too complicated for a simple man like me to comprehend as it isn’t obvious to me.

Shahna

Still waiting for the black box report —- wonder what’s taking so long……

eric collins

Won’t it only show at what height it fell apart and how fast it was going, autopilot or human control etc. I don’t think it will be any more enlightening as far as who or what actually destroyed this plane?

Shahna

… and if the co-pilot yelled: “OMG! They shooting at us!” ?
… or “What’s that bright light coming towards us?”
… or … nothing at all.

The Kiev Control Tower communications with the plane would be informative too….. Kiev’s Security Services confiscating and hiding them away just leads to (justified) suspicion.

There’s more to this fiasco than meets the eye…
….and interesting how all interest in “a passenger airliner shot down” has just ….. died away. Like it never happened?

eric collins

superseded by carnage elsewhere in the world for those armchair sleuths who like to dissect and apportion the blame for the latest human disaster.

Shahna

You mean….. those “armchair sleuths” who discovered that many conspiracy theory just lacked the theory?

Nijesh

The video evidence showing a BUK truck ‘scurrying’ away with one missile missing, which the US says proves that the so-called ‘rebels’ shot down MH17, may turn out to prove that the ‘rebels’ didn’t in fact shoot down MH17. Last week the world was told that a high-flying Antonov military aircraft was shot down by the ‘rebels’ – which may account for why there was only one missile missing from the Buk truck… If they had shot down MH17 too, there should have been two missiles missing.

The Russians have picked that video apart already. It was filmed in Krasnodon in Ukrainian held territory. They located the sign the truck drives by and they pointed out that the truck has a number showing it to be Ukrainian military. It was never a rebel launcher and it was never in Russia.

Nijesh

Good sleuthing, griffinalabama, they’ll never get away with the BS while ever there are people like you around exposing them. And the fact that the Brits haven’t told us what was in the Black Box shows that they have found something they don’t want us to know about – I wonder what it is. My guess is a conversation between the pilots of MH17 and the Ukrainian fighter jets before they strafed the cockpit. They are probably very busy working with some actors faking another scenario when they think of one, Ha!

Thanks for the link. I wondered when that would pop up again. I remember seeing a report in the early days following the tragedy saying ‘the pilot had felt uncomfortable’ after being directed by Kiev to fly so far north. I’d love to hear the rest of the conversation, but seeing as the air control tower tapes were snaffled by the Kiev regime soon afterwards, we’ll be lucky to find out especially as the Black boxes are now in the hands of the perpetrators of this latest Zionist false-flag deception.

warisaracketbysmedleybutler

You know I thought the same thing when I saw pristine passports pulled from the wreckage of a plane that was shot out of the sky at 33,000. Kind of reminds you of the pristine 9/11 hijackers headbands, passports, and ids.

eric collins

You are speaking in plurals what was purportedly singular.
Exaggeration does your assertions no service.

warisaracketbysmedleybutler

The hell are you talking about? They found bandanas, IDs, and passports at WTC and in Shanksville. I can’t remember if they did in DC.

ukberserker23

How could an approximate 10-12 year old girl be Mrs. Sophie Van deMeer?

Barry

I’m not dismissing the discussion here as there definitely seems to be something amiss but I just want to comment on one point. The passports which have been ‘clipped’ and hole punched are indeed cancelled passports which wouldn’t be valid for travel, however many passport holders will continue to carry their previous passport with them as they may still contain valid visas.

Ros Papas aka nofearorfavor

Thought of that too, but depends on validity length of visas as generally old passports are used more by frequent fliers, so maybe these passports belong to the aids delegation or business execs who normally use business visas, which generally are valid for a longer period.

Marilyn Vogt-Downey

Three passports were shown up close on the youtube. Compare the names of those three with the passenger list. I found 2 out of 3 names there. I could not find Sanejio Singh Sandhu Juhar Singh’s name. Can anyone else see his name there? Humm.

Oh my, oh my another 9/11 media style “False Flag Passport” imagery release. If you recall they found intact passports of some of the alleged terrorists (even Mohammad Atta’s) – that flew into the Twin Towers @ Ground Zero. The media must think that the majority of the public have a Grade One education and no more.. The problem is many of the sheep take what the MSM say’s as 100% truth! Utter bullshit!

Defiant

Not EVERY event is a “false-flag.” This MAY be one. But this is the standard article to post whenever there’s a tragic event of ANY kind. They CAN’T all be orchestrated. Bad things actually DO happen all the time…without help.

Justsomeguy151

True. But the timing of certain events does lend credence to the false flag narrative. Also, I can’t remember the exact quote but one man said, “No matter how bad the govt may seem , what they’re really doing is far worse than you could ever imagine.”

Mary Beth Clemons

I had the same question in regards to the passports, as well. How were so many gathered up so quickly over 7 miles of wreckage? You’d have to rifle through every suitcase, backpack, purse, pocket, briefcase, bag, etc. Plus, there would be some on the ground. Not easy to find in sunflower, wheat and tall grass fields. And not one of them bent, torn or water logged since they reported that it started to rain shortly after. I’m no world traveler, but I’ve used my passport maybe a dozen times and there’s some wear.
I just had my passport renewed, so yes, they clipped my old one. There’s no reason for me to travel with it.
My other concern was how quickly Ukraine announced everyone on board died. Yes, the chances of surviving would be low, but were farmers, coal miners, housewives able to locate all the victims and check their vital signs in less than an hour and report to whomever that there were no survivors?
Just a few of the many questions I have about this event…

Sue Graham

I am about to renew my passport and when I next travel overseas will be taking my old passport with me. I will put it separate from my current passport because if 1. I lose the current one. 2 have it stolen. I have a much better chance of not being stuck in another country for too long

Sharon van Wyk

Sigh. Do you also take expired credit cards shopping with you?

Stephane Vanvreckem

In Europe, the rule is to give back your expired passport before receiving a new one…..
if lost, you need to go to the police and make a statment of loosing it.

Gert Vermeer

Perhaps next time ask if you can keep them I have mine.
Volgende keer gewoon vragen, ik heb die van mij ook nog.

Sue Graham

The RTA advises you to keep your old licence which has a punch hole in it for the very reason I gave you. Your comment just goes to show you are incapable of think straight and why you believe in these stupid conspiracy theories

Michael Richardson

Good questions. I’d love to see the answers. But I don’t think this is particularly suspect:

“My other concern was how quickly Ukraine announced everyone on board died. Yes, the chances of surviving would be low, but were farmers, coal miners, housewives able to locate all the victims and check their vital signs in less than an hour and report to whomever that there were no survivors?”

Has anybody ever survived a passenger airplane sudden depressurization for any reason at over 30,000 feet, followed by a breakup and crash? I think it’s a reasonable assumption that nobody lived.

The bodies are natural [graphic content!] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px2rfWBW4wg, but i believe they were from the MH370 flight mixed with MH17 so-written list of flight persons, whom the latter may have been all recently deceased people, because i ask, where is a *verifiable* living victim of one of these ‘names’ on the flight list?! None so far!

Man.. why do you make this so hard for us? Huh? Why the fuck do you guys do this? You make “truthers” look like fucking clowns when your “articles” are riddled with grammar and spelling mistakes.
Jesus fucking Christ. Either you are just plants, and you’re purposely trying to discredit truth, or you’re simply fucking stupid.
Either way, shape up, or fuck off.

Ros Papas aka nofearorfavor

Not everybody’s first language is English but who cares? People need not be grammar professors to bring value to the subject under discussion! While your distasteful language …

Shahna

What’s you problem?
We don’t believe outright lies and that makes us the fucking stupid ones?

hugh johnson

1. There are 20 or so passports out of 298 passengers.
With a crew of 20 men you can easily find 10% of the total amount of passports within a few hours in a 7 mile radius.
2. If a missile shot the plane then it only caused a slight explosion because fire doesn’t last long at that speed and altitude. It would have been enough to rupture the plane and the pressure would tear it apart. The plane fell apart midsky with some pieces burning because of the fuel and other parts are untouched, so no it was not a burning torch.
3. The passports are intact because the missile was not an atombomb and a crash would not necesarily damage them. Put your passport in a suitcase and throw your suitcase from the empire state building see if the passport gets damaged.
4, Some people bring their old, discarded passports just in case they lose their valid ones so there’s no conspiracy there. And if it was a setup, you really think the conspirators would be stupid enough to use old discarded passports?
5. No travel stamps just means people don’t travel often or at all. Not sure what is weird about that? That also explains why the passports would look brand new as they have never been used before.
6. The passports would actually be easy to find as most people carry their passport on their body or handbagage.
7. They showed 20 passports out of 298 but you can conclude there were no passports that were burned or damaged? 20 unscaved passports is just that, 20 passports. You didn’t get to see the 278 other passports so you can’t really draw any conclusions unless you see all passports.

There are things that don’t add up with this flight but the passports are not it. It actually angers me a bit to find out people can be this ignorant in basic logic.

Kenji Makoto

You cannot put your passport in your bags, they take the bags before you pass the checkpoint. Why on Earth would somebody want to travel with an invalid document, that is as useless as a fake ID from Disneyworld. If all the bodies incinerated, so would have the bags, I just remind you that jet fuel is not water. The fact that people are raising questions is natural, since we all now how the warmongering state of usa starts illegal conflicts everywhere they stick their nose. All in their own interest of course, they´ve done it so many times with such little effort in the past that now even the most stupid and blind people can see through their miserable lying attempts.

Sue Graham

But you can put it in your hand luggage, or was all the undamaged hand luggage we saw all over the site a figment of our imagination?

Gert Vermeer

Not all bodies are burnt, you can find the images online. Second. the passports with holes may still contain a valid visa. So all you do is take your old passport with your new passport.

annmarie72

All the bodies were not incinerated as can be clearly seen in some of the unedited photo’s. You can put an expired passport in your bag and yes I would carry mine as a back up. I know it cannot be used, but would help me hopefully at the embasy if I lost mine. Goodness people if you have so much time on your hands to come up with this stuff why not use it volunteering with your local gun club or something.

Sue Graham

Hugh, finally someone who makes sense. The push to blame outstrips peoples common sense. Do people really think that falsh passports were made and shipped out to the site in such a short time. What about the one that says the bodies were already dead and put on the plane before it crashed because the bodies were decomposing to quickly. Are these people for real. How debilitating to have to live with all these conspiracy theories in your head.

Shahna

I find that ‘decomposed bodies etc’ thingie an extremely bizarre thing to make up. Seriously – what would make someone even think of saying such a strange thing? ….Perhaps the autopsies will verify it or put it to rest?

The 2 passports opened to view above – those names aren’t on the manifest. Go see for yourself.

griffinalabama

Check the You Tube of Vice News Dispatch #60 with all the bodies. There are bodies there lying on cement roads that supposedly just fell 30,000 feet straight down and they have no blood splatter and are fully intact…after hitting cement! Now if you saw the WTC jumper videos you know for a fact that bodies explode when falling from such a great height. I am dumbfounded how these bodies are together and even the guy lying in the road has an intact torso, limbs and cranium. Something is amiss there. The body I am in reference to is at the 1:45 mark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px2rfWBW4wg

Different colour seats….. different class tickets?
Economy – Business – First?… Just a thought.

eric collins

Bad colour balance on cheap phone camera “selfie” shot.

Shahna

“…intact torso, limbs and cranium…”

Are you suggesting the bodies were dumped and not dropped from 30,000′?

eric collins

And how good a look did you get at an “exploded body” after 9/11, pray tell.

eric collins

the bodies will be badly mashed internally, they will start to decompose quite rapidly due to the distribution of intestinal content with mashed liver and spleen plus a lot of blood free in the body cavities. A day in the heat will make a stink. I speak here from experience.

Shahna

Hmm… oh yeah.
But they reached those bodies within minutes, hours, and some were burst open and some were not. The newly dead unburst shouldn’t have been badly decomposed – and I wonder what that “medical supplies” stuff was all about.

…Interesting aspects the media didn’t find at all interesting – and in fact, they appear to have quite forgotten “the pro-Russian separatists shot down a civilian airliner.”

Sharon van Wyk

It actually angers me a bit to find people who can’t spell unscathed.

Shahna

What a petty thing to get angry about.
I guess you’re immune to typos.

Shahna

Those passports shown above don’t belong to flight MH17.

The 2 that are opened to the camera (Sophie + Thomas) – don’t appear on the fight manifest released by Malaysia Airlines …..and no-one flies on passports defaced as inactive.

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The 1st Boeing 777 flight MH370, disappeared after losing contact via radar when he was being flown to Malaysia after having diverted its normal route. At the moment that the plane lost contact was close to Bali and Lombok, then towards northeast towards Laos, was very close to Laos, site of one of the most secret bases Aeras Central American intelligence agency (CIA). The base is called Long Tieng or Long Cheng, located precisely in the center of Laos!

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Seems like a frame-up from beginning to end. Perhaps the plane was downed by a air-to-air missile from the ukr jet detected flying at close range to MH17 just before it was taken down.. If so, why has this jet not been identified? If US bankster ruled gov gets the war it wants, they may just end up destroying themselves too!

Rachael N. Jacobs

Kind of like the Sandy Hook shooting and Boston Marathon Bombing. Both were staged just as this incident was STAGED.

Gert Vermeer

The question about ‘invalid’ passports can be answered already. The invalid passports, altough invalid for traveling, may still hold a valid visa. In that case you take your new and valid passport with your valid visa and you’re good to go.

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There was some early TV footage showing people at the crash site holding hankerchiefs to their noses. This was long before 72 hours had elapsed.

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Seriously – cut a rat open 30 min after death and it stinks to high heaven. Humans are mammals too. Bigger too. Likely bigger stink.

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bit like those “Arab terrorist” passports sailing out of 9-11 inferno unsinged…

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The 2 passports shown in the above “passport video:”

Sophie Charlotte van der Meer and Thomas Allard are not listed on the manifest released by Malaysia Airlines.

Nick Fisher

Umm, so who are “VANDERMEER/SOPHIE_MRS” and “VANKEULEN/ALLARDMR” then ?
Their names are RIGHT THERE in the manifest posted in this VERY PAGE, you complete fucking moron.
You people are so deluded it’s tragic….

Shahna

My apologies – I’ll give you the Allard Thomas (I missed the fact that Allard isn’t the surname) but are you seriously trying to tell me MRS Sophie Van der Meulen was only 12 years old?

Just digressing slightly – through the media we have been brainwashed into believing the you tube shots (Obama’s intelligence source) of the BUK missile vehicle being secretly taken back to Russia. Not one of these clips identifies the vehicle carrying the missile vehicle actually crossing the border into Russia. There was clip showing a low loader with a object being carried covered by a tarpaulin sheet, and guess what it was a BUK missile system being taken back to Russia. What I saw was a vehicle carrying something covered by a tarpaulin sheet that was tied down, and now way could one actually see it was a BUK missile system. Everyone says ‘system’. The BUK missile system is a complex system that includes more than one vehicle. So where is the other vehicle??

Obama/Cameron and the Western media have, not once demanded, publicly, the release of the ATC transcripts for the public domain. Of course we will not hear this from Obama or Cameron but certainly at some point the media in the West should start making this demand. The very same ATC transcripts seized by the Kiev authorities immediately after this tragic incident.

Whilst 21st Century has done a good job of piecing things together, a good investigation to say the least, no one outside 21st Century has demanded these transcripts. These transcripts are the key to this incident.

It the russian fottage is only under 2 hours old of the remains of the passengers, it does not explain why the passagers are already stiff, and even naked.

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