Don't know.. I noticed these about a month back, and so far Bandai America has shown no interest in releasing either of them. With that awful "Ultimate Alien" series on the horizon, it doesn't look like we'll be getting them at all.

Totally agree with you on AF though, it sucks so hard, I feel ashamed to be a long time Ben 10 fan, and have put so much time and money into the toyline up until recently.

UK Actually appreciated the original Ben 10 series, unlike the folks in charge over here. I'm assuming that's also why they get these long wanted characters as figures for AF. Le sigh.