Re: public transportation in Israel

adrukh wrote:

Do we really need two relations, one for each direction? Or can we have one for both?

Since we have many oneway railway lines (i.e. double tracks) and railway stations should be a node on a railway line,then maybe it would be better to have only one relation per "route" (e.g. Nahariya-Modiin) and add both lines to it.

It might also be a good time to add oneway=yes wherever there are oneway lines (e.g. along TelAviv-Haifa)

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Hmm.... I have just came to Dimona => Be'er Sheva route woundering who added it

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Regarding the relations:I have checked several trainstations in Germany realizing that they are using two relations for trains and just one releation for public trains inside of the city.In UK they are mostly just using one relation. So we can define it the way we want it to be and add it here : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Train_routes

We just have 7 routes, this would mean we talking about 14 releations, what is not a lot for a whole country.Of course this makes more work for us but in this case we can define the "from" and "to" correctly.

This page states that for stops, "The order of the members in the relation should identical to the order in the timetable." When I look at the Modi'in/Nahariyya route relation, I see unordered stops (Pa'atei Modi'in is between Tel Aviv Center and Atlit, etc). Does this mean their order in the relation in not correct?

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It is very updated and very good if you would like to add bus or tram ways and check if everything is connected.I found several small and big mistakes in the train routes and fixed them with that tool.

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Turns out there are "stray trains", following routes not mentioned on www.rail.co.il! For example, every morning you can catch a train from Modi'in straight to Hod Hasharon, without changing trains in Tel Aviv... 90% of the time during a day you will need to change trains, but not 100%.

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If we add those routes... they would have to have seperated relations.

But when adding those kind of routes there needs to be a way to separate those routes. Currently I'm using color names as reference number. But there has to be some kind of official route number. Would be great if somebody could do a small research in hebrew for that.

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adrukh wrote:

Turns out there are "stray trains", following routes not mentioned on www.rail.co.il! For example, every morning you can catch a train from Modi'in straight to Hod Hasharon, without changing trains in Tel Aviv... 90% of the time during a day you will need to change trains, but not 100%.

Should such routes also be defined as separate relations?

I'm not sure that you should create a route for every variation, especially these early-morning/late-at-night samples.

As long as there's a route from Modiin to Tel Aviv, and another one from Tel Aviv to Hod HaSharon, means that a routing software could create a route to navigate by.

Suppose someone sees this straight route from Modiin to Hod HaSharon, and would like to use it - They will be a bit disappointed...

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@Talkat: I disagree with you.Of course they would be disappointed, but if you try to drive on Shabat with a bus you will be disappointed, too.The same goes for night bus lines that are not driving the same route in the same speed daytime.

Before using OSM to route you through the country you will need a additional service, saying from when to when the routes can be used.

PS: I found even more website covering the public transport of Israel and added them in the first post.

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Mr_Israel wrote:

@Talkat: I disagree with you.Of course they would be disappointed, but if you try to drive on Shabat with a bus you will be disappointed, too.The same goes for night bus lines that are not driving the same route in the same speed daytime.

Before using OSM to route you through the country you will need a additional service, saying from when to when the routes can be used.

Night busses are not the same.Usually they even have their own (ref) number.

If we add hours-of-operation, then I would feel better about these only-in-the-morning routes.