What would have happened if Aruba properly supervised their own gambling laws as to the frequency of visits allowed by its residents on May 30, 2005?

If Aruba had only upheld their own laws regarding the frequency of allowed casino visits by residents, maybe Natalee Holloway would never have disappeared in Aruba. According to a recent Amigoe article, the supervision of gambling in Aruba is “shockingly bad”. That would also include an Aruban law that dictates that an Aruban resident can only visit a casino eight times a month. Dating back to the numerous stories of Joran Van der Sloot’s frequency of casinos, the following law becomes a bit questionable.

The law dictates that residents are allowed to visit a casino only eight times a month. If and when they exceed this number of visits, the Internal Department of the government will sent them a letter at home with the warning that the maximum standard for casino-visits has been reached. If this warning gets ignored, the resident is banned from casino-visits for one year.

The Department of Casino-system has 92 casino inspectors and 8 clerks, together 100 persons that ought to conduct the checking at the entrance of each casino. However it is known that local visitors are almost never checked.

Joran Van der sloot was a resident of Aruba at the time he was in the Excelsior casino where he met the Mountain Brook. AL teens and Natalee Holloway for the first time. Let us remember there is a difference between the term resident and citizen of Aruba.

Surely eight visits a month for Joran was a matter of days when one considers each visit to a casino as counting as one. Especially when Natalee Holloway went missing on May 30, 2005. Joran Van der Sloot made no issue of the fact that he frequented casinos on a regular basis. Of course the fact that he was under age to boot is just a mere technicality.

The question still remains why hasn’t anyone been held accountable for Natalee Holloway’s disappearance and why has neither the casinos nor Carlos N’ Charlies been held accountable either for breaking under age gambling and drinking laws?

ORANJESTAD – In Aruba, there is hardly any supervision on the local population’s gambling. Even though the law permits supervision, it appears that in practice, hardly anything is being checked. The Social Economic Council (SER) came to that conclusion after they did an inquiry analysis on gambling on the island.

The Council listed the gambling possibilities in Aruba and they appeared innumerable. There are currently 11 legal casinos, where people can go gambling seven days a week. Several casinos organize daily bingo games in the amusement arcade, in the midst of slot machines. “Many bingo players try their luck on the slot machines during intermission and after the bingo game is over”, writes the SER.

In addition to the 11 legal casinos, there are also illegal ones. Considering the illegal character of these activities, other information on them is difficult to get.

And then there is the phenomenon e-gaming or casino-on-line. How much of this is being practiced in Aruba, we don’t know, but because it is being promoted in the local newspapers, we establish that e-gaming is also popular among the Aruban population.

There is also cock-fighting, which is indeed illegal. But it is an open secret that this is taking place on a regular basis. The Veterinary Service indicated being concerned about the relatively new phenomenon of dog fights.

There are also gambling on domino- and pool competitions. People also love to gamble on soccer tournaments and boxing. There are of course the lotteries: Lotto pa Deporte, the National Lottery, the legal lotteries, and the illegal ones; in short, sufficient possibilities to gamble in Aruba.

SUPERVISION

The law dictates that residents are allowed to visit a casino only eight times a month. If and when they exceed this number of visits, the Internal Department of the government will sent them a letter at home with the warning that the maximum standard for casino-visits has been reached. If this warning gets ignored, the resident is banned from casino-visits for one year. When this year has expired, the person has to submit a request to remove the casino ban.

From a study in 1982, it turned out that this supervision has never worked. ‘In practice, this letter is dead”, said SER in her report.

The Department of Casino-system has 92 casino inspectors and 8 clerks, together 100 persons that ought to conduct the checking at the entrance of each casino. However it is known that local visitors are almost never checked. “The Casino-system department indicated that it is impossible to check the people that are going to play bingo, so they don’t. But they almost never check either when there is no bingo game.”

In order to protect residents it is also determined that “a resident of Aruba is not allowed to gamble more than 200 dollars each time and a non-resident, 1000 dollars”. This ought to be supervised in the casino. SER doesn’t mention in her report whether this is also taking place. Probably, because there is no information on this, so it cannot be verified.

TECHNIQUE

SER also noticed a lack of supervision on the technical aspects of the slot machines. A draft national ordinance was presented to parliament in 2004-2005, requiring more attention for the protection of Aruba’s good reputation against slot machines that pay too little. The Technical Inspection Service (DTI) was supposed to be appointed as the controlling instance for this. Supposedly this department has experience with this matter.

Inquiry with DTI revealed though that DTI has no experience at all with this matter. They have proposed a bill in the past to make these inspections legal, and so set up and implement a system. Parliament has never considered this bill. Also the payment percentages of the slot machines in the casinos are never checked. Casinos indicated that all the slot machines imported from the United States are programmed and approved by the Gaming Licence International in the United States. The Casino-system department is responsible for further checking, when necessary. Inquiry with this department learns that DTI does the checking and DTI indicated on her turn that they do not exercise controls. With this, the supervision on casinos fails on all fronts.

Comments

I think the Casino only enforce that when Jacvobs comes in, they don’t want him to be stuck at the free buffet table more than 8 times a month.

The whole island is a facade, including Aruba’s beautiful beaches.

It was originally a home for wild pigs. Still some pigs left over.

Dayhiker on
October 19th, 2007 10:15 am

Do we honestly think the Aruba government would do anything to a casino violating their laws? Joran was underage at 17 years old, everyone knew it, he gambled at will as often as he pleased with his judge-in-training father’s blessings and frequent presence. It was illegal, but did the government do anything about it?

Rafael on
October 19th, 2007 10:18 am

The people of this island are weak for not standing up and demanding justice. All officials involved should have been suspended and not allowed to participate in this investigation. This island has suffered and will continue to as long as Beth is still alive. The dutch are a joke as well. They make it look like everytime the Netherlands get involved that the investigation will move forward and produce results. They are all talk too. Tragedy all the way around….

You go it. The NL keeps trying to buy time until they think this will go away. It won’t. We are over two years demanding justice. We will not stop until justice is served.

The blatant lies, the cover up by the Judgey and the ALE and the journalist(s).

Boycott ARUBA.

brie on
October 19th, 2007 11:22 am

Is there any law on the island of Aruba that is enforced? I guess they don’t care about protecting the residents of Aruba, just like everything else.

The reasons are adding up as to why Joran never should be been allowed in many places. But his parents, above all, are first and foremost accountable and responsible. They knew where he was and what he was doing.

If any American allows their child to go this island I would have to say their asking for a lot of trouble and really don’t care about their’s child’s safety. It’s getting worse there all the time. We definitely need a travel advisory concerning Aruba. And I think any travel agent needs to warn people about the dangers of traveling to Aruba and why!!!!

Libby on
October 19th, 2007 11:23 am

It is sad looking at that picture. Natalee is sitting with friends and enjoying herself. She had no idea what evil was planned for her. What is even more sad is that those low life pieces of crap are still walking around and Aruba / the Netherlands continue to let them do so.

Read the entry for Rene carefully.
He did not report for work for two days.
He was found dead on Wednesday June 8th,2005. He had missed work for two days. That should have placed the date of death as Monday June 6th 2005.
However Mrs. YCH reported SATURDAY that the house was a total mess and signs of violence and traces of blood. The man who was supposed to be there could not be found. This then would have placed the time of death sometime before June 4th, 2005. Even closer to Natalee’s disappearance. The body lay in the bushes for 4 to 5 days and no mention of the condition other than beheaded. Riga mortise should have set in by then.
This sounds to me that Rene was hiding out from someone and they found him and for some reason was silenced and with a message.
Mrs. YCH lives in Sabana Basora where some kind of attack took place but Rene lived in San Nicolas.
Could Rene have been responsible for disposing of Natalee and then silenced? The article is dated June 21st, 2005. The funeral homes are so proud of their obituary postings, but in this case there is no obituary. To me it sounds of a murder to silence someone.
Where was he actually murdered? Was it in that house where traces of blood were found but the victim could not have survived; or in the Government parking lot where the beheaded body was found?
Either way I would not be too happy and would not consider Aruba SAFE.

As for Aruba being concerned about obedience to its laws … what a joke.

The real tragedy is that our own government still finds it convenient, or easier, to turn a blind eye. Hey, it’s only American citizens who are at risk … no big deal in Washington, I guess.

brie on
October 19th, 2007 1:13 pm

It is sad looking at the picture of Natalee and her friends, everybody just having fun and staying together. Hours later the evil one appears and manages to separate her from her friends. I guess his sick perverted mind allows him to show up at nearly the last minute, buys a girl a date-rape drug drink and off they go. How else would Natalee have gone with him? He knows how to make this happen, remember he’s done it 20 times before. And sees nothing wrong with it. And Freddy, the porno freak films and sells it.

Little did anyone know about what really goes on in Aruba. It was all about a safe and happy island. Everything bad hidden! I’m sure there is more to come.

Vicki on
October 19th, 2007 1:25 pm

1906….what bothers me the most is “supposedly” they were looking everywhere for Natalee…how did they miss Rene??? I do believe Bensonwas gonna tell, pitbull was gonna tell and maybe as a precaution they killed rene cause he knew to much…

brie on
October 19th, 2007 1:53 pm

Vicki, maybe they all did tell but told the wrong people. I don’t know, but somebody or somebody’s are running that island with a big knife or a chain saw. And the police never have a clue. Look the other way or you’ll end up like that too!

Hey the Globe posted pic’s of Natalee’s shark cage.michele the black mamba has them on her blog. BoycottAruba.Justicefornatalee.
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SM: They probably copied from SM, I scanned and posted them yesterday:

It’s always possible, of course, that this man’s fate was in no way connected to Natalee’s. If so, what does that say about the “one safe, happy island” cliche that Aruba liked to throw out?

But while none of us can prove, at this point, that there was a connection, it seems likely.

I ask, once again, if we can believe that whoever is behind all this has no greater interest than protecting three punk kids and a failed wannabe judge who had so much power on Aruba that he had been told before Natalee arrived on the island that he wouldn’t get the job he wanted.

Seems to me that something darker is involved. Something that would once and for all destroy anyone’s idea of going to Aruba.

Something like trafficking….

But hey, it doesn’t happen to Americans. Just ask the parents of Amy Bradley.

jen3560 on
October 19th, 2007 2:35 pm

Lawless island. That is precisely what we have learned Aruba is over the past 30 months.

Just think of the possibilities for today, October 19 2007, if only Aruba had enforced even ONE of its laws.

This one. Locals cannot visit a casino more than 8 times in one month.

Just how many times do you think Joran AND HIS FATHER had visited a casino by May 29th, the end of the month?

Guaranteed it was more than 8 times.

There is a reason for each and every law that has been created.

There are even larger reasons for enforcing them.

Natalee Holloway was one such reason.

Had even this ONE simple law been enforced, Joran AND HIS FATHER may not have had opportunity to gain Natalee’s trust. May not then have had opportunity to abscond with her at the end of the night.

The possibilities for Natalee’s future could still be in sight for her and her family, if Aruba had chosen to enforce even ONE of its laws.

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!
BOYCOTT ARUBA!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maggie on
October 19th, 2007 2:53 pm

What good are laws if they don’t enforce them?

What happened to the law of contributing to a minor? Who better than someone training to be a judge and is now a practicing lawyer would know that one? Not only one night he accompanied him, but the next night he gave him permission he said, to go to the Wyndham to gamble. Walked out the night Natalee was there and left his underage son drinking and gambling.

I was reading the allegations today about David Copperfield raping a woman in the bahamas and she didn’t report it till she got back to the US. (Not saying it’s true) If over half of the women in the US living here won’t report it, imagine the numbers visiting a foreign country.

Especially in a place where they all run and hide when the mother of a victim of a crime on their island shows up.

Someone went to a lot of trouble to get rid of Natalee’s body, because the evidence on it would lead back to them. No body, no case.

brie on
October 19th, 2007 3:52 pm

Well, now we know they were all at the police station in the morning of May 30th, including Deepak’s car. Was this due to Beth making a phone call to the police when she heard Natalee missed her plane and did not return to the hotel; also Lilly reporting what had been seen earlier that morning concerning, Joran, the Kalpoes and the car. I guess they thought they had better start cleaning up this mess and making excuses, telling lies, blaming other people, covering up evidence, all before Beth, Jug and Dave got there. Little did they know what was truly in store for them.

Those boys should of all been held in custody, we have a missing person and the three of you were last seen with Natalee and you have no witnesses. Only a bunch of crappy lies!

On May 30, 2005, of approximately 130 students who together traveled to Aruba to celebrate their graduation, all came home except one: Natalee Holloway.

It was who she was with in the final moments of her life that explains why Natalee is no longer here, and why everyone else was able to make it back home to their families safe and alive.

Gerold Dompig and Jan van der Straaten know why Natalee is no longer here.
So does Karen Janssen, but none of them had the integrity to uphold the law and protect the rights of the victimized tourist.

Aruban police decided not to hold for detainment or questioning, the three men last seen taking Natalee away in their car,in spite of the immediate realization that they were all lying concerning what they did to Natalee.
And to think, these are the same Aruban police officals who would like to tout that they’ve been trained in the USA by the FBI from one side of their perverted lying mouths, while they twist the most depraved lies concerning their own depraved police conduct and what they knew was the appropriate and lawful actions to take as the FBI HAD INDEED TRAINED THEM TO DO – and which the corrupt Aruban police officials involved had been taught as being mandated by their own laws, -concening what actions they should take when faced with the lies and contradictions in statements of Joran Van der Sloot, his father, Paulus, and Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.

The savagery displayed by these unscrupulous Aruban men and women, is a disgrace to Aruba; their savagery cannot hide behind the transparency and stellar integrity and reputation of the USA’s FBI. They cannot use our FBI’s integrity and training to claim that they were properly trained, in a sick attempt to make their perverted corrupt conduct appear as anything resembling law enforcement!

It takes INTEGRITY to embody what the Aruban police officials were taught by our USA FBI, a quality – sorely lacking in Aruba’s corrupt law enforcement officials.

The truth about Natalee Holloway is that she was targeted, and that Americans are not safe in Aruba, because they will be targeted again and again, because corrupt Aruban officials are not interested in extracting the evil lurking about in it’s own corrupt infrastructure. It’s more easy to slander an innocent, brutally victimized child and lie about everything that was done to her, then hold savage vicious men responsible for their depraved conduct.

Natalee’s life was viciously ended by predators that continue to roam about freely in Aruba; she is the victim of a savagery in Aruba that Aruba continues to spin as being a “random, atypical event”, when the truth is, Natalee was selected, she was targeted, she was preyed upon by the same savages who stripped her of her freedom, and denied her the right of ever returning to her homeland.

Since that time, we’ve seen packs of vicious, assaultive comments directed at Natalee, her Mountain Brook friends, the FBI, Natalee’s mom, – and what appears to be everyone except the predators of Aruba who deprived Natalee of her freedom, who ended Natalee’s life, as well as the unscrupulous police officials who participated in the disgrace of conspiracy to obstruct justice and hide the facts of truth concerning the horrific manner in which Natalee died.

Aruba is a very dangerous place so long as criminals, and lawless people, with no respect for the life of a tourist, nor concern for the savagery inflicted upon her, continue to run the island while granting savage men their freedom, and the victim, Natalee, a life-time sentence of imprisonment on an island of treachery, and her family a life-time sentence of suffering and torment.

Boycott Aruba and all Dutch territories.
Your life does depend on it.
Honor Natalee by honoring her truth and claiming the right for her voice to be heard.

Justice for Natalee Holloway.

brie on
October 19th, 2007 5:19 pm

# 21…Ditto!

brie on
October 19th, 2007 5:47 pm

So, now some of perverts are in the Netherlands, are they forming another pimp club. Bad habits died hard.

The police in Aruba have known for along time about their drug dealers on the streets, their crack houses, Lorenzo and his fast cigar boat; able to leap Venezuela in a single bound, their drug lords, their illegal gambling and drinking, they all just take a paycheck! The island, mostly supported by the American’s, but not anymore!!! Mostly sponsored by American’s. But not anymore!!!!!!!

Travel agencies have to stop….cruise lines have to stop, airlines have to stop….it’s the same as going to CUBA!!

brie on
October 19th, 2007 6:56 pm

#22…Hi Pearl, very well said!!!

Allan K on
October 19th, 2007 6:59 pm

Does Aruba enforce law? Hell no, that would interfere with their perverted ways! Justice for Natalee! That means arrest the pimps you corrupt Arubans or to hell with you!

brie on
October 19th, 2007 7:36 pm

What a stinging lying island…proclaims to safe and happy…only because everything is covered up…it’s been going on for years..but yet they advertise otherwise..this is false and tourism lies promotes the safety of tourists….travel advisory alert!!!

KrisG on
October 19th, 2007 7:48 pm

Yes, Miss-U, the beaches have imported sand and every palm tree you see blowing in the wind has been planted. They are not indigenous to Lieruba either.

As I related to Beth at the book signing, the first prayer I say each morning is for JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!

Pearl on
October 19th, 2007 9:54 pm

Hi Brie.

You are so right, Brie.
Aruba is the new Cuba.
And look! Only a week or two ago, there stood the Aruban prime minister’s “hero”, Chavez, posing for pictures with none other than Fidel Castro.
Wasn’t it Oduber who referenced Chavez as his good friend from whom he could count on for financial support? Why would anyone want to travel to an island where the prime minister’s affections for a dictator in Venezuela are examples of his notion of a good friend!

And just look at the savagery of attacks that have been hurled at Beth, Natalee’s mother – all for daring to look for her kidnapped child!

These people who inflict vicious barbs with their twisted tongues on a victimized mother, are the very individuals who want you to come to Aruba next, while they conjure up lies about the island being “friendly” and “happy”. Is ‘friendly’ and “happy” what Natalee got from Aruba?

The truth about Natalee is that nothing about her kidnapping was ever “isolated”, nothing about the crimes inflicted upon her were ever “random”.

Natalee Holloway was a selected target.
The Aruban thugs who selected her, knew she was going to be the target early that day.
They made plans to gang up on her.
They selected her – something that the tourism officials in Aruba don’t want the world to learn about. They’d rather lie to all of us and feed us this garbage of lies that: this was an isolated, random incident and that Americans are not the victims of “targets” in Aruba!

It’s too late! The filthy lies and deceptions of the Aruban criminals who violated Natalee and her family are everywhere!

We know the truth! THIS WAS NO “ISOLATED INCIDENT”! THIS WAS VICIOUS ACTS INTENDED TO TARGET AN AMERICAN CHILD!

I guess their selling of the lie that this was somehow “random” and “isolated”, is supposed to perpetuate the FALSE SENSE of SECURITY of Aruba being “happy and safe” – the same LIE they fed to the Mountain Brook students and to the VICTIM, NATALEE.

They falsely led those young kids into a treacherous lie that they were “safe”.
That’s what predators do.
They feed the victim a false sense of security.

THAT IS WHAT THAT UGLY MAN SITTING NEXT TO NATALEE AT THE CASINO WAS DOING TO THIS PRECIOUS CHILD!

The truth is: a gang of government sanctioned rapists were permitted to kidnapp Natalee Holloway, drug her, gang rape her, murder her, and then pass her off to the father of all lies, Paulus Van der Sloot whose solution to the treachery of his perverted gang of criminals was: “No corpse, no case”, while he stabbed the heart of Beth, over and over again.
What a savage monster that man is!

The truth of Natalee’s painful ordeal is this: Natalee Holloway was TARGETTED.

THEY SELECTED HER, WHICH MEANS – NOTHING ABOUT HER SUFFERING WAS “RANDOM”, NOTHING ABOUT HER SUFFERING WAS “ISOLATED”. The predators who freely roam Aruba’s casinos and beaches SELECTED NATALEE as their next victim, and THAT IS THE ONLY REASON WHY NATALEE HOLLOWAY NEVER CAME HOME TO HER FAMILY.

NATALEE WAS SELECTED.
The other students were NOT.
That is why all the other students made it home alive. They were not the targets. They all got to go home. They all got to live.
That is why Natalee is gone!
SHE WAS THE TARGET.
That is why Natalee’s freedom was stripped away, her life ended by a bunch of devils.
That is the only reason why Natalee Holloway never came home to her family… SHE COULDN’T.
SHE WAS VICTIMIZED BY ARUBA’S PREDATORS.
THEY STOLE HER FREEDOM.
THEY ENDED HER LIFE.
AND SHE NEVER CAME HOME AGAIN.

Americans are NOT safe in Aruba.
Americans were targeted before Natalee, and Americans will be targeted again in Aruba, because the corrupt officials running the island, sanction the very heinous conduct of men like Paulus Van der Sloot, Joran van der Sloot and the two Kalpoe brothers, and their gang members who methodically CHOOSE a TARGET, A VICTIM, who will become Paulus Van der Sloots’ next rendition of “No corpse, no case”.

KEEP YOUR CHILDREN SAFE!
BOYCOTT ARUBA AND ALL DUTCH TERRITORIES!

Americans deserve to know the TRUTH, NATALEE’S TRUTH.

Americans deserve to know the real truth about Aruba and what their predators were ALLOWED to do to an American child with a very bright and promising future, who never came home to her family.

Imagine, the same individuals who come here to slander Natalee and her mother, are the same individuals who would like to “welcome” YOU NEXT, to their version of “safe and happy”.

They’d like to pour your drinks, and “set up” your hotel rooms, provide you with their version of “entertainment”, and provide you with “keys” to your hotel room, and the “food” they will prepare and serve you at your dining table.
They’d like to rent you “phones” and “sailing” equipement on those boats that they just can’t seem to account for, along with all those phone calls and lie-statements that just seem to vanish into thin air, along with the savagery of their devious conduct on a helpless, defenseless 100 pound beautiful tourist named Natalee Holloway!

And after you become the next victim, guess what’s in store for you?
Slanderous accusations claiming you are a drug user, a drunk, a slut, and all the other filthy lies they come up with, along with the one where they claim that YOU are the criminal who violates the law!!!!

The depravity of the corrupt who have no conscience is sickening.

Oh, and the corrupt Aruban bunch who ran everything in Natalee’s so-called “investigation” would like you to know that the “FBI” is “working closely” with the Aruban officials whose contempt for the law is only matched by the very savages who slaughter innocent little helpless tourist girls.

Meanwhile, the USA’s FBI will have to yet again, “correct” all the lies being told by corrupt Aruban police officials who not only obstruct justice right out in the open, but who then proceed to lie to the media claiming that the “FBI is working closely with us”.

The arrogance of men who would suggest that their treachery is somehow – validated because they were trained in the USA by the FBI – when everything these corrupt Aruban police did was just the OPPOSITE of what the FBI had trained them to do, speaks volumes about the WILLFUL INTENT TO INFLICT HARM ON NATALEE’S FAMILY, OBSTRUCT JUSTICE, LIE TO OUR FBI, LIE TO NATALEE’S FAMILY AND AIDE CRIMINALS IN ACTS OF KIDNAPPING, GANG RAPE AND MURDER OF AN AMERICAN TOURIST! The savagery of the corrupt Aruban police is as dangerous as the lawlessness of the murderers who took Natalee’s life away.

And after all the horrific, depraved conduct these criminals and their co-conspirators engaged in, they would then have the audacity to complain that American’s dare to boycott that place of wretched criminal depravity, if only to stand up for a little girl who can no longer speak for herself, that a bunch of savage men all ganged up on to ultimately torment her, and end her precious life!

criminal history dates to 1960 includes numerous arrests and successful tax and racketeering prosecutions.

Posner says it was he who voluntarily turned over this casino surveillance tape to Aruban authorities and that he is furious they have allowed ABC News to broadcast it.

Posner says he has paid the expenses for private investigators to come here and assist in the search for Holloway and according to his lawyer: “He has nothin’ to do with nothing” in the murder case.
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So, Did Beth Not See The Casino Tape When She Arrived ?

That Would Mean Posner’s Jet Was Faster Than Lightening or He Did Not Arrive Until The Next Day After Beth ==== Posner Is FOS !

Wonder Who Called Posner ???
What Did They Say To Make Him Haul Ass Back So Fast ???

Would A Report of A Missing Girl In Aruba Be So Vital That Posner Would Take The First Plane Back ???

brie on
October 19th, 2007 10:57 pm

Posner has no legal right to own anything in Aruba, yet he does….he is a close friend of Paulus…what does that say… Joran has an unlimited line of credit in the casio….. why is that… he is underage…it spells illegal corruption!

brie on
October 19th, 2007 11:14 pm

Aruba is just like Cuba…stay away!!!!!

Ray on
October 20th, 2007 3:44 am

If the (IDIOT) arubans had figured this out (3) years ago,We might not be talking about NATALEE and she might be in college at UAB.

Boy; a sexual harrassment charge against David Copperfield that happened 5 months ago and the alleged victim just filed a complaint, and the FBI is all over his ass.
But what did the FBI do for an American citizen who was probably raped and murdered in Aruba… Yeh Diddly Squat

Vicki on
October 20th, 2007 7:33 am

Brie,#14- Ive thought that also….maybe they did tell the wrong ppl. Like the priest that wouldnt talk to Dave???

Don’t understand: 10/22/2007 issue? That’s next monday?
When was / will this Globe article (be) published? Is it on their site as well? (Is it a national or state/local newspaper? Can’t find it with Google-search.)

If this initiative of Jossy is true it would be GREAT news. And if it indeed are remains of Natalee – however sad – it can be THE evidence that can start the courtcase. Hope it’s all true!

I don’t know why JQ Kelly does not file a complaint against Joran et el in Georgia where the Gottenbos are living. Bring Koen and Sanders in for questioning about what they know about Joran and Natalee. I would like to hear the excuse from the courts and FBI why this can’t happen.
Oh I forgot Aruba, Holland and the US want to sweep Natalee under the carpet so we can all forget about her.

KrisG on
October 20th, 2007 11:24 am

#45 1006: I thought the same thing when listening about David Copperfield. Can JQ Kelly come up with a charge against Koen that could bring the FBI in on the case? It infuriates me that he is living in the US, reaping the benefits of our country when he hasn’t helped in the investigation.

If Aruba won’t do anything about the Gottenbos family, does that give U.S. immigration authorities the pretext to say “They haven’t been accused of anything by their own government, so we are helpless”?

I’d say that the whole legal system is a farce, except that we already know that.

Maggie on
October 20th, 2007 3:14 pm

I’ve heard some reports the woman filed the complaint in the US against Copperfield first of July, FBI is just now raiding his place. She didn’t file in the Bahamas. If indeed it happened and I have no opinion one way or the other yet, I can’t blame her for not filing there after all we have seen. What was amazing some of the people commenting on tv about it. David is rich and can have any woman he wanted blah blah. I am a David Copperfield fan, I would love to see one of his shows. When does being rich or nice looking have anything to do with it? Andrew Luster was rich and could have plenty of women yet he chose to date rape drug at least 3 and film it and is doing over 120 years. He was the heir to Max Factor. Where do some people get the ideas, you have to be poor and look like frankenstein to commit crimes?

Who wants to go to a police station where the cops hide in the back from the victims? Blame the victims saying , we arrested them too early because of the victims. Send the victims out to crackhouses to look for their child who has no history of drugs. Then the cops are appearing on tv saying we believe the Holiday Inn Story, so that is why we went after the 2 black guards. Well if they did why were they sending the parents on wild goose chases to crackhouses and then saying leave our chollers and whorehouses alone? Why was someone from a newspaper running part or the investigation and screening calls? You can tell who the victims are. Beth and Dave went out anywhere day or not with cameras or without in searching for their daughter. When daylight or the cameras appear look is off hiding and running to get away, starting with Oduber. Must have something to hide.

FBI can’t go to Aruba and do anything unless they are asked to. It was reported some of the suspects fought to keep them out. It was also reported they became frustrated and came home. Sent some FBI divers for a water search, they weren’t allowed in the water. They weren’t allowed to participate in the questioning , just had to observe. Tim Miller needed ok from Dompig for equipment in Aruba and Dompig wouldn’t contact FBI and ok it. Natalee was an American citizen, why in the world wouldn’t they let the FBI help? After 2 years of lies on tv and empty promises they ask for the KLPD to help. Did they think they got rid of everything by then, so they could ask them in? Why would they wait 2 years when they saw that 3 “boys” framed 2 men for murder and kidnapping and one of them says the Father, family sat around and made up that Holiday Inn lie and yet they still didn’t search the Van Der Sloot property for 2 more years.

1006 I agree, why not bring them in in Georgia. I have read though that Koen is in Holland. Don’t know if that’s true though.

brie on
October 20th, 2007 5:09 pm

#49..Maggie..I have also read that Koen is in the Netherlands and if he came to the US he would be arrested…

I’s say the Queen and her officials have alot of work to do…turned your back on your possession’s and trusted the untrusted…now you better damn well that care of the issues that are going to repeat it’s self it you don’t solve the case of Natalee!! We only asking for justice!!!! A life of an American on your island!!!!

True, Maggie, the FBI can’t force the Aruban government to co-operate with them, or even to let them do what the Arubans obviously won’t, can’t, or both.

But one would think that some of the herd of aspirants to the presidency would figure out that this obvious cover-up of a crime against an American citizen (not to mention the case of Amy Bradley) deserves other action by our government.

Such as a travel advisory for Aruba. Not because of a crime there … but because of the obvious cover-up.

Guess it’s too much to think that someone in Washington would want to fight for justice for an American and her family.

brie on
October 21st, 2007 11:19 pm

It would take someone in politics or in Washington to bring this forward knowing he or she may not be backed by the government. That’s where are strongest hope would lie…but without that, we as citizens can still pursue and fight for justice. Rub enough salt in the wound and someone is eventually going to say “OUTCH”!

carmell on
April 4th, 2013 3:06 pm

The Excelsior Casino in Aruba is a joke. There isn’t any supervision and the locals run it. Why isn’t there any control here. Someone needs to see this problem first hand and do something about it. If rules aren’t going to be followed, close it down.