Poll: 63% oppose Obama’s executive order on amnesty

posted at 11:21 am on September 2, 2014 by Allahpundit

I assume the White House’s internal polling looks like this too. After months of teasing immigration activists with legalization by kingly decree by the end of summer, they wouldn’t be backing off now unless the numbers looked too dismal to defy before the midterms.

According to the latest IBD/TIPP poll, 73% of the public say Obama should work with Congress on reforms. Just 22% say he should “sidestep Congress and act on his own using executive orders” — something the president has repeatedly pledged to do…

Another trouble sign for Obama: The age group most fervently opposed to him on immigration is the young voters he has successfully courted in the past. Fully 80% of those age 18 to 24 want him to work with Congress on reform, and just 15% side with Obama’s plan to bypass Congress if they fail to act…

When asked more specifically about an executive order to “slow deportation of undocumented immigrants by providing them with legal protection and work permits,” 63% of all those polled say they oppose Obama’s issuing such an order, with a majority of Republicans and independents strongly opposed. Just 34% of the public backs that move, though that includes 60% of Democrats.

Last year support for comprehensive immigration reform stood at 54 percent, with just 39 percent support for securing the border. Now the first number is down to 48 percent while the second stands at 47. A border crisis will do that for you.

As for the numbers above, don’t read overly much into the fact that a big majority wants O to work with Congress on immigration. I think most people, when put on the spot with a question about cooperation, instinctively say yes. That’s the civic paradigm of democratic government, after all — different parties and different branches working together to find a mutually agreeable solution. The response here thus has less to do with the particulars of immigration, I suspect, than with some intellectual reflex that “cooperation is good.” The more salient question is the one about the executive order. In theory, wanting Obama to work with Congress doesn’t necessarily mean opposing executive action: It could have been that some critical mass preferred the former but were willing to accept the latter as a stopgap measure in the meantime. (That’s basically Obama’s own position on all this.) The question on the executive order proves that’s not true, though. Obama is solidly underwater when people are given a square thumbs up/thumbs down choice on what he wants to do. And in fairness to the “work with Congress” question, that’s an awfully big majority among O’s base of young adults. You shouldn’t be seeing numbers like that, especially among a group that’s sympathetic to O, if the White House was succeeding with its message that Obama has no choice but to do something unilateral because the damned Republicans are forever obstructing him.

And this is why, of course, Democrats have been pushing the “Republican shutdown!” meme so hard over the last week. Mickey Kaus is exactly right: That idea was almost certainly fed to sympathetic media by pro-amnesty Dems because they knew Obama was getting cold feet on doing something before the midterms. The shutdown scare was their last-gasp bid to bait the GOP into giving O a reason to fast-track amnesty. If it had originated among Republicans, notes Becket Adams, there would have been a long messaging build-up from the GOP itself to try to make the idea of a new shutdown over immigration more tolerable to the public. There wasn’t one. At this late date, there’s only one man on the Hill with enough juice to get the right buzzing about a shutdown now — and as you’re about to see, he himself is careful to point out that the only people talking about a shutdown are in the White House. The Democrats’ last gasp failed, so Obama has backed off. For now.

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He doesn’t care. It is all on purpose. I just hope all of this blows up on him. To see his deceit makes me sick. And it makes me sicker to know that their are still fools out there that believe him. Repent America….

I love how Morning Joke and the rest of the GOP apologist are complaining that the “GOP just doesn’t have a message”. What these fools don’t realized is that there are plenty of voters who are quite happy with the current GOP being a check on Obama’s power and agenda.

Yes, to win the presidency you have to have a positive agenda, as an out of power party you first must define your differences.

Congress gets back next week. They have to deal with the FY15 budget in some fashion (continuing resolution IMO- kick the can to the next session). There isn’t any appetite on the Hill for an amnesty battle ahead of the mid-terms.

I think Obama couldn’t care less about Democrats and would probably even prefer a Republican takeover of the Senate as it would give more ammunition to perpetuate the “obstructionist” Congress meme. Not to mention he’s pretty much given up on governing and only cares about the perks, with a hypothetical Republican Senate more capable of stopping his actions and letting him spend as much time as possible on the golf course.

(Well, not that McConnell and his kind are that inclined to do anything, but whatever…)

The American people are extremely fickle and are apt to change on a dime. The Dems are pulling out all the usual ploys from their dusty playbook. The public is about done with O’s mellifluous lies and no longer queue up, lemming style, to follow him to Utopian Hell.

No surprise there. It’s no secret that the public at large does not want amnesty. If you poll it that way, they’ll tell you every single time. The problem is when you dress it up with euphemisms like “comprehensive immigration reform”, suddenly it sounds appealing.

It would be political suicide…not that Obama isn’t keen on destroying his own party anyway…as the world is on fire….

sorrowen on September 2, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Obama’s second term is a reflection on how stupid this country has gotten since 1980. Back then, “we”* were smart enough to recognize the mistake of electing Carter in 1976, and corrected it with Reagan in 1980. Sadly, by 2012, “we” were no longer smart enough to recognize a major mistake and “we” re-elected Obama. I have no doubt that Jimmy’s second term would have looked a lot like Barry’s, if Jimmy had been re-elected.

As someone whose wife was just granted permanent residence, the current system works just fine if you follow the rules, read the directions, and provide the proper documentation. The whole process from initial application to approval took less than four months.

The problem is enforcement of the current laws not a need for amnesty or new laws that won’t be enforced…but you already knew that.

“I won! I’m right! You’re just a racisst! You’re stupid! You’re a bitter clinger!! I’m going to do what is RIGHT and gain Absolute Power Forever!! And then you’ll worship me as I deserve OR YOU’LL BEE SORRREEEE!!!!“

Yes, it’s a temper tantrum.

What would you expect from a narcissistic, emotionally-immature man-child with delusions of grandeur?

This has happened before in history; Google Charles VIII of France, and/ or Charles the Bold of Burgundy (no relation). The difference was, due to the technology of the time, especially communications technology, the damage those two royal idiots could do was relatively limited.

The One’s penchant for behaving like them crossed with Neville Chamberlain has worldwide potential for catastrophe.

Watching the morons who brung him, twice, seeing your heads explode, is way schadenfreudig. Trolls, defend this fool of yours. He is YOU.

Schadenfreude on September 2, 2014 at 11:56 AM

I was in the Costco parking lot on Sunday and saw a vehicle with about 15 bumper stickers on it. All supporting obaME! and his pet causes. One of the said something about “He Won – get over it”. I just shook my head as this woman drove by.

I actually hope he has the b*lls to do it as I believe doing so will be the political death nail for the ultra-libs that dominate the democrat party.
For the record, I never thought he would do it. Maybe I’ll be proven wrong (hopefully), but to me this always just seemed like a ruse to get the opposition to champion the cause so they could take the blame at the voting booth instead.

They tried the “everyone in DC is talking impeachment” line and that didn’t work out so well for them. Probably because no one was. Now they’ve taken up the “everyone in DC is talking government shutdown” which will also fail to grab hold.
Remember everyone – If there’s a so called government shutdown that means 17% stop working and 83% continue doing whatever it is they do. Hell of a definition the MSM puts forward, isn’t it?

I was in the Costco parking lot on Sunday and saw a vehicle with about 15 bumper stickers on it. All supporting obaME! and his pet causes. One of the said something about “He Won – get over it”. I just shook my head as this woman drove by.

VegasRick on September 2, 2014 at 12:01 PM

He is good friends with the former CEO of Costco and they made a deal to accept the EBT cards…why you see the chaff over there now. Boycott them.

For some reason young people are thought of as more tolerant than previous generations, but I don’t see it. They are the ones doing the bullying and using gay and racist slurs more than the gen X and baby boomers, and they are much more narcistic and don’t listen to anyone unless it’s google. Millenials are having children now, we’ll see how they handle this.

You think they care? No, the dems are playing the long game. There may be some short-term pain for the democrats, but down the road, they will never have to worry about Republicans again.

Once they get all these illegal aliens on the voter rolls, Texas will turn and there will never be another Republican President. And a few years after that, Republicans will never again control even one house of Congress.

The worst part of this is, the Stupid Republicans are all too happy to help them.

I was in the Costco parking lot on Sunday and saw a vehicle with about 15 bumper stickers on it. All supporting obaME! and his pet causes. One of the said something about “He Won – get over it”. I just shook my head as this woman drove by.

VegasRick on September 2, 2014 at 12:01 PM

I can only hope it’s possible for the country to get over it.

It’s going to be hard if not impossible to unscramble all of the eggs this administration has cracked.

I was in the Costco parking lot on Sunday and saw a vehicle with about 15 bumper stickers on it. All supporting obaME! and his pet causes. One of the said something about “He Won – get over it”. I just shook my head as this woman drove by.

VegasRick on September 2, 2014 at 12:01 PM

You were lucky that she was not yet on the highway in the left hand lane holding up traffic.

A most prescient article by the vernerable VDH. He is an historian with a very sharp eye and almost infallible accuracy. He did, however, make one mistake as pointed out below:

Can the old, pre-Obama postwar order be rebuilt? Of course, but it will require budgetary discipline, a visionary president, experienced national-security advisers, skillful diplomats, and a public that is informed and cares. In other words — not for another two years and five months NO.

I think Obama couldn’t care less about Democrats and would probably even prefer a Republican takeover of the Senate as it would give more ammunition to perpetuate the “obstructionist” Congress meme

Until he sees everything getting better with veto proof majority or enough dems going along, and good legislation being enacted while he pouts and community agitates from the sidelines…then we can watch the Constitutional professor’s head explode.

Seems the one thing both parties desperately want is passage of “comprehensive immigration reform”.

Now, if you went to a restaurant and there were items on the menu such as “a plateful of hearty and delicious food” or “a nutritious and well-prepared meal” or “a satisfying, well-balanced dinner” would you know what to order?
So what the hell is “comprehensive immigration reform” anyway? Is it a brick wall with coils of concertina wire along the top and black-uniformed armed guards standing six feet abreast around the entire US perimeter, or is it a vast phalanx of old yellow school busses covered with multicolor flowers and peace signs and “!BIENVENIDO!” streamers along the sides, waiting to take all comers to a welcome center where free “Citizenship Baskets” filled with fresh fruit, government documents and pre-lubricated condoms await them?

The KEY question is: “Will the GOP learn from this immigration mess/pile that BO has barged into?”

If the House had gone along with amnesty, the GOP would lose the House for sure. Never mind any hope of gaining the Senate. THAT IS EXACTLY why BO and the DNC wanted to push them into it.

The CoC is not your friend, unless you are into crony capitalism.

Pass a clean bill to deal with illegal aliens: Make it a felony to be here illegally, either by entering illegally or overstaying a visa. Make it a felony to hire an illegal. Put corporate officers in jail for a couple of weeks per incident, up to a few. Then put them away for serious time after a few transgressions. And fine them big time! That would stop the crap.

After that, pass a clean bill to close the border. Seal it. If you don’t know how, ask Israel. Ask Russia- they probably still have people around who still know. A key component may well be the threat of high-speed lead.

After getting those things established, talk about work permits and waivers.

We simply cannot afford to add to the “takers” side of the ledger. Even if all invaders worked, the vast majority would cost more than they contribute. That is true for all unskilled labor.

Gloryosky zero, Batman, what a surprise: the American population mostly wants the American President to form policy in a manner consistent with American law.

And the ones who don’t are all the ones who call themselves “Progressive,” meaning that they want to Move On (.org) from the archaic, antiquated practices forced on us by our political ancestors.

And how I wish, oh, I wish that they WOULD move on… and form their own, new dictatorship of the Progressive Mind somewhere else, instead of engaging in criminal activism to undermine the American republic.