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Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

People! this was no genjutsu nor was rin a spy, it was,i think that nasty hidden mist jutsu,the same one kakashi feared when he went on his first mission with team seven.the sharingan is unable to see through that jutsu which is why obito saw darkness then faint images of someone killing rin that same image that faded from dark to light, somehow i think obito is able to see through that eye kakashi has proberbly all that emotion that was flowing at the time.

Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

I don't know the reasoning behind Kakashi killing Rin but it was definitely not an "accident"
everyone saying "oh maybe he couldn't see in the mist and accidentally hit her"
that is a retarded theory. maybe kakashi and rin were carrying important information and they were about to be captured and kakashi killed rin so that couldn't happen. or maybe kakashi was under a genjutsu and everything was set up by madara.
Madara said "you will come back, and you will thank me sincerely". So he definitely knew something about this (maybe he even set it up somehow?)

Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

So obito fought his sensei because Rin was killed by kakashi! lol

I wonder why dint the 3rd hokage went on rampage when mikoto died.
Harishama's wife should go on rampage after he died.
Kurenei should have gone woop some asses and turn evil because of asuma.
naruto why dint you went on rampage when jiraya died.

Madara Uchiha: Obito!
Madara: Can you hear me!?
Obito:yeah, Master!
Obito: What happened to Rin?
Obito: is she alright!?
Madara:It seem in your noobility, Kakashi Killed her!
Obito:Kakashi!, he coulndt, rin was the wank of my eyes!
Obito Rises and scream in anger!
Madara smiles!
Then Darth Tobi was born....

Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

Originally Posted by mushidama

theories that could explain why & who killed rin 1. kakashi uses chidori and hits rin by mistake during the fight) 2.madara is controlling kakashi eye some how) 3.madara & zetsu plan this whole scam in the first place) 4.zetsu clones kakashi and uses his powers to kill rin) 5. or this is one bad genjutsu control by yours truly madara

Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

Plot wise im hoping Rin is a traitor...Idk whats up with everyone's overnight attachment to Rin, she's literally ONLY here for plot development. In my theory, im assuming she revealed some sort of top secret info. Something drastic like, Kushina's giving birth and the weakening of the seal. If an outside village gained info on that, they would storm the village that very night in hopes to obtain the kyubi......oh yea....Obito was there that night....and Kisame confirmed that Obito was known as the mizukage.......hmmm....

Nah must be a zetsu clone, Rin would NEVER betray Konoha...we know her too well

Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

Originally Posted by Shouten

I doubt the thoery that is was only a Zetsu clone. If that is true, then Rin should be alive and Obito would know about this, and we could see Rin dillydallying on Konoha.

I have a hunch that Rin was betraying the leaf in some way, and there was no other choice but to kill her. Madara probably know about Rin's deeds for some time because he has information gathered through the Mazo which is connected to different places, but Madara refused to tell Obito the truth, and Madara knows that the fight was actually between Kakashi against Rin and the mist ninjas, which is the reason why Madara was confident in saying that Obito will come back to him, because Madara knew that Kakashi will kill Rin for some sort of betrayal.

Or it could also be an accident that he Raikiri'd Rin.

Well, just a hunch.

it could have been fake and rin could have died from soemthign else madara goal was to make obito see this and hate kakashi mon runs death and join him, so he faked rins death and she died some other way. this can't be real the image is from the tobi zetsu and teh zetsu clones feeding it to obitos mind

Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

Notice how when Obito thought he was seeing Rin? You saw that water explosion right? Well when Rins picture started to clear up could it have been actually the water clearing up from Kakashis vision? Maybe he couldn't see properly and miss aimed his Chidori and ended up hitting Rin. Obitos and Kakashis Sahringan are diffidently connected.

Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605Predictions

Originally Posted by WoodsyOwl

I predict that two white zetsu copied kakashi's and rin chakra, turned into them and staged that scene. We don't see any mist ninjas, we don't see anyone. Also kakashi isn't the one to get caught into genjutsu so simple. But who knows, I might be wrong.

I think you're right, but when Zetsu copies the chakra they have the ability to do the persons' justus? During the war, they didn't, the just used kunais to kill.

Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

I think one thing we re all overlooking is obito being able to see rin die before he got there. So that is one indicator that we should have known that kakashi killed her. THIS, I believe, is the most important thing in the chapter. If obito *being an uchiha* was able to SPY on konoha through kakashi because he had his other eye would make it perfect for obito to get all the intel he needed to invade konoha and basically train with minato without actually being there. Hence why he was able to learn minatos tactics and fight him so well at such a young age! HOLY SHIT I JUST BLEW MY OWN MIND! Let me know what you think!

Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

My theory remember whem itachi grabbed sasuke's hand while he was using chidori. A mist ninja maybe kisame who i believe was already working for madars grabbed kakashi and threw him into rin. The chidori isnt conpletely unavoidable. Im sure kakashi could see through the mist with his new sharingan he could see the other ninjas movement if not im going to call bad writing on kishi part. Because kakashi is too smart to accidently kill a comrade.

Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

Originally Posted by eyerinnegan

Hidden mist techique is silent killing, I thougth that kakashi will attack mist ninja, because of mist technique he accidentally attack rin

Hi everyone, I'm new in this forum so... Hi.:D
I dont think Kakashi do that because some confusion, im telling this because in the last page you can see kakachi face and if im not wrong is like he know what is doing... but im confuse in a part, with uchiha eye you can know if you are trap in a genjutsu?

Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

Originally Posted by Seighmund

I think one thing we re all overlooking is obito being able to see rin die before he got there. So that is one indicator that we should have known that kakashi killed her. THIS, I believe, is the most important thing in the chapter. If obito *being an uchiha* was able to SPY on konoha through kakashi because he had his other eye would make it perfect for obito to get all the intel he needed to invade konoha and basically train with minato without actually being there. Hence why he was able to learn minatos tactics and fight him so well at such a young age! HOLY SHIT I JUST BLEW MY OWN MIND! Let me know what you think!

i think if obito can spy konoha, therefore kakashi could spy akatsuki and vice versa...

Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

Possible Events
A) It wouldn't be shocking if Kakashi killed Rin for the hell of it, for the sake of the "Mission" or just for Power. Kakashi remember in this time is ignorant and follows by the rules. He probably didn't become wiser until he got older.

B) Kakashi fawked up and killed Rin on accident because accidents do happen, and regrets for the rest of his terrible life. It could explain on how he's more skilled against mist ninjas such as Zabuza, ya know learn from your mistakes c:

C) The ***** was a lie. Rin could have been a backstabbing ***** and worked around town like Kabuto as a kid and she fawked up somewhere and in return Kakashi fawked her up.

D) All leaders are corrupt in one way or another. No-ones perfect c: Hash fawked Madara over, Tobirama still is to be fawking someone over, Hiruzen in a way fawked the Uchihas over, and Minato could have fawked Rin over, Tsunade fawked Jiraya over. Now all of these mofos didn't neccessarily get fawked over but better solutions out dere home dawg gee.

E) Kakashi falls in love with Rin RIGHT after she stops loving Kakashi and falls in love with the to-be dead Obito who's not dead, and ***** tells him what's up and Kakashi get's pissed and kills her so she can be with her dead lover who's not really dead.