Quotes of the day

posted at 10:40 pm on July 20, 2010 by Allahpundit

At a time when the prospects for immigration overhaul seem most dim, supporters have unleashed a secret weapon: a group of influential evangelical Christian leaders…

“I am a Christian and I am a conservative and I am a Republican, in that order,” said Matthew D. Staver, founder and chairman of Liberty Counsel, a conservative religious law firm. “There is very little I agree with regarding President Barack Obama. On the other hand, I’m not going to let politicized rhetoric or party affiliation trump my values, and if he’s right on this issue, I will support him on this issue.”…

“I’ve had some older conservative leaders say: ‘Richard, stop this. You’re going to split the conservative coalition,’ ” Dr. Land continued. “I say it might split the old conservative coalition, but it won’t split the new one. And if the new one is going to be a governing coalition, it’s going to have to have a lot of Hispanics in it. And you don’t get a lot of Hispanics in your coalition by engaging in anti-Hispanic anti-immigration rhetoric.”…

“My message to Republican leaders,” said the Rev. Samuel Rodriguez, the president of the evangelical National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference and one of the leaders who engaged his non-Hispanic peers, “is if you’re anti-immigration reform, you’re anti-Latino, and if you’re anti-Latino, you are anti-Christian church in America, and you are anti-evangelical.”

“First and foremost, it’s a kingdom issue, and, second, it’s a moral issue,” Richard Land, president of the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention, told POLITICO. “We have hundreds of thousands of Hispanic Southern Baptists and many of them are undocumented. … It’s no secret that we practice aggressive evangelism. Many of these people were converted after they got here.”

Leith Anderson, president of the National Association of Evangelicals, puts it another way. “When people migrate, they’re open to all kinds of change, including religious change. Evangelical denominations have historically drawn immigrants. … The growing edge of many of our denominations is through immigration from all over the world.”…

“Once we get into what law we should pass most consistent with the Bible, I think we can have a lot of trouble,” said Herb Silverman, president of the Secular Coalition for America. “Just because we have a predominant religion in this country doesn’t make us a Christian country and we shouldn’t try to make it more of a Christian country in terms of percentages any more than we should make it a priority to be a white country because we’re predominantly white.”

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West Wing strategists argue that the president’s call for legislation that acknowledges the role of immigrants and goes beyond punishing undocumented workers will help cement a permanent political relationship between Democrats and Hispanics — much as civil rights and voting rights legislation did for the party and African Americans in the 1960s…

“Look: The Republicans, if you do the math, cannot be successful as a national party if they continue to alienate Latinos,” said one Democratic strategist familiar with White House thinking on the issue…

Advisers to the president say his long-standing position on immigration is not motivated by presidential politics. But in a few years, they predict, the Latino population will surge in “red” states, where residents have traditionally voted for Republicans in presidential contests. States such as Texas, which has been a GOP stronghold for a generation, could become permanently “purple” tossups if Republicans do not repair their image.

“The one thing that has the potential to grab a large part of that constituency is to actually show them respect for being here, being here legally, being part of the community,” said a senior Democratic Party official. “The fight over immigration is a proxy for tolerance. It’s a proxy for diversity.”

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Most Mexicans are already Christian, at least nominally, whether they are in Mexico or invading the U.S., so if these evangelicals really want to serve God, they should try to convert non-Christians to the faith. I suggest, if they really love God and really love Christ, they should go to Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan and bring in the sheep over there. If they don’t then they are sinning against God.

Tav on July 20, 2010 at 11:56 PM

Well, now, if as you state, then, there is a real problem with just who “Christian” is and how it’s understood and practiced by “most Mexicans”.

Because there are these things called the Ten Commandments, including:

Thou shalt not steal.

Thou shalt not bear false witness.

Thou shalt not covet.

and many more including “thou shalt not murder, thou shalt not create for thyself any graven image…”

So whatever it is that “most Mexicans” THINK they’re engaged in (you claim it’s “Christianity”), is hardly identifiable to the rest of us as to Christianity.

Christians of the genuine kind hear the Word, observe the Word, and keep it. That means, we don’t violate the Word because we want free rent or lower prices or a nice apartment North of Tijuana.

Well, now, if as you state, then, there is a real problem with just who “Christian” is and how it’s understood and practiced by “most Mexicans”.

Because there are these things called the Ten Commandments, including:

Thou shalt not steal.

Thou shalt not bear false witness.

Thou shalt not covet.

and many more including “thou shalt not murder, thou shalt not create for thyself any graven image…”

So whatever it is that “most Mexicans” THINK they’re engaged in (you claim it’s “Christianity”), is hardly identifiable to the rest of us as to Christianity.

Christians of the genuine kind hear the Word, observe the Word, and keep it. That means, we don’t violate the Word because we want free rent or lower prices or a nice apartment North of Tijuana.

Lourdes on July 21, 2010 at 12:02 AM

…or throw rocks at border agents or encourage others to follow us as we commit crimes or accept money from people who have more than enough to buy their way where they are but want to commit crimes North of Tijuana instead or…take the life or innocence of Americans because we want their stuff or…

Illegal aliens commit crimes. Their first offense is entering or remaining here illegally. Most Americans recognize that and want illegal aliens deported for these basic reasons: they’re citizens of other nations who are here illegally and they are owed a penalty for their crime/s, and, we want them to go home.

LEBA on July 20, 2010 at 11:27 PM
Absolutely true in many instances. That is why they love having the birthright citizenship for their children. It is the best of both worlds. They get to break all the rules (not pay taxes, not have insurance, free healthcare, etc) but their American citizen child gets all the financial benefits (CHIP, free lunch, food stamps, section-8, etc)that the whole family enjoys.

One problem they don’t seem to acknowledge is that illegals cannot legally vote. And most are too scared of the government to go anywhere near a polling place.

Another problem is that the electorate is paying attention. The Internet has changed the whole political paradigm. You can’t stop stories from getting out or limit their spread. The Internet, blogs and Youtube has made that impossible.

If they start playing fast and lose with voter rolls it’s going to get out and there’s going to be hell to pay. If the Congressmen thought the Townhalls were hell this past year, just wait.

Yes, saw that, read it…I think this is more development in the overall story that appeared yesterday about Leftwing media seeking to elect Obama (but hardly stopping at that) “no matter what”…

Which is what many of us well witnessed taking place during the last Presidential election and the two years leading up to the 11/08 election: preposterous distortions and efforts to suppress any revealing information on behalf of the Left, by the Left, in Left media (politico, huffpo, time, msnbc, nbc, cbs, reuters, ap, etc.).

I can’t tell you how many denigrating remarks were directed at me by those attempting to push Obama/Democrats as right and good, anything exposed to disprove that was roundly ridiculed. And now look, I was right as were others like me, and there WAS a “conspiracy” of Leftwingers working media toward a twisted goal.

I think the FOX targeting now isn’t necessarily new so much as it is newly increasingly exposed.

All the more reason to dump the social issues. Make it about money- forget God, can we afford to be as Christian as they would like us to be? Is it Christian to spend money you don’t have on things you don’t need, like excess labor in an economy like this?

Most Americans want border security and termination of incentives toward illegal entry – job providers jailed, an end to birthright citizenship, minimize freeloading on the taxpayer dime, but first and foremost border security. If the government would demonstrate some good faith and provide that, then an amnesty can be discussed for those who have beome well anchored, provided removal of incentives for future arrivals also occurs.

The problem is not racial. It’s our damn untrustworthy elitist a**hole government. Republicans and conservatives are typically demogogued as evil racists by liberals. As Journolist demonstrates. It’s part of their core political strategy that our untrustworthy elitist a**hole media promote the idea.

I think the FOX targeting now isn’t necessarily new so much as it is newly increasingly exposed.

Lourdes on July 21, 2010 at 12:22 AM

This is what jumps out as almost lets say vindictive :

“I agree,” said Michael Scherer of Time Magazine. Roger “Ailes understands that his job is to build a tribal identity, not a news organization. You can’t hurt Fox by saying it gets it wrong, if Ailes just uses the criticism to deepen the tribal identity.”

“I am a Christian and I am a conservative and I am a Republican, in that order,” said Matthew D. Staver, founder and chairman of Liberty Counsel, a conservative religious law firm. “There is very little I agree with regarding President Barack Obama. On the other hand, I’m not going to let politicized rhetoric or party affiliation trump my values, and if he’s right on this issue, I will support him on this issue.”…

I didn’t catch it all, but BOR had this guy on his show tonight. As far as I’m concerned, he doesn’t sound as if he’s for open borders and amnesty at all. Yes, he could be speaking out of both sides of his mouth, but he inisted that he was for tough border security first. Then–and this may be more lenient than some or most might prefer–he said he was for a pathway to citizenship that consisted of sending all to the end of the line, imposing financial penalties relating back to the time they entered the country, a rigorous program of assimilation, and a guest-worker progam. I’d like to see an end to anchor babies, but so be it.

At any rate, I’m not so sure that this guy can be lumped with these other anything-goes evangelicals.

He came riding in on a golf club shaped submarine
Got a message from a mermaid queen
She was hanging on for dear life to an oily fishing line
Mr. Obama Dandy didn’t waste no time!
Obama Dandy to the rescue!
Go, Obama Dandy! Go, Obama Dandy!

One day, he went down to the old bayou
All there were feeling kind of blue
He’s Obama Dandy, such a great guy
He can’t stand to see a Cajun cry
Obama Dandy to the rescue!
Go, Obama Dandy! Go, Obama Dandy!

“is if you’re anti-immigration reform, you’re anti-Latino, and if you’re anti-Latino, you are anti-Christian church in America, and you are anti-evangelical.”

Legal immigration are the key words.

“The one thing that has the potential to grab a large part of that constituency is to actually show them respect for being here, being here legally, being part of the community,” said a senior Democratic Party official. “The fight over immigration is a proxy for tolerance. It’s a proxy for diversity.”

Matthew D. Staver, Rev. Samuel Rodriguez, Richard Land, Leith Anderson, and others like them are The New Racists. Anybody who uses skin color to divide is in direct violation of Scripture. Of course, that only applies inside the Kingdom so I would venture to say that it’s obvious those racists aren’t in the Kingdom.

But make no mistake about it – spitting on the graves of white people who died to end slavery is one of the most evil things one can do. And if I was face-to-face with any of thesee clowns, I’d call ’em out.

I’m done with this race horse manure. Done. And they know what they can do if they don’t like what I say.

We know the gutter and we know the stink of the street
For too long now we have pressed through their festering heat
All you royalty who lord over us
You who gave us the smack of your rod
Soon now we will give you the gutter
We will give you the judgment of God!

If each man and woman does what they must
Soon now they will be dust
Our Lady of Justice will possess them
In her breathtaking, hair-raising bed
She will tingle each spine
As she captures each head!

“Because our ruling class deems unsophisticated the American people’s perennial preference for decisive military action or none, its default solution to international threats has been to commit blood and treasure to long-term, twilight efforts to reform the world’s Vietnams, Somalias, Iraqs, and Afghanistans, believing that changing hearts and minds is the prerequisite of peace and that it knows how to change them. The apparently endless series of wars in which our ruling class has embroiled America, wars that have achieved nothing worthwhile at great cost in lives and treasure, has contributed to defining it, and to discrediting it — but not in its own eyes.”

“My message to Republican leaders,” said the Rev. Samuel Rodriguez, the president of the evangelical National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference and one of the leaders who engaged his non-Hispanic peers, “is if you’re anti-immigration reform, you’re anti-Latino, and if you’re anti-Latino

I have a message to Samuel Rodriguez. It is not “anti-latino” to try to fight illegal immigration. There are plenty of legal Latino immigrants who are against illegal immigration. They know that flooding the labor pool with illegal immigrants keeps wages stagnant for everyone including Latinos. They don’t like having their jobs taken by illegals anymore more than anyone else!

We’ve spent the past how many years being lectured that religion has no place in the public square. Now we’re being lectured that we’re to submit to the political goals of a religious coalition. One can only hope that those involve thoroughly discredit themselves with the American public.

“Once we get into what law we should pass most consistent with the Bible, I think we can have a lot of trouble,” said Herb Silverman, president of the Secular Coalition for America. “Just because we have a predominant religion in this country doesn’t make us a Christian country and we shouldn’t try to make it more of a Christian country in terms of percentages any more than we should make it a priority to be a white country because we’re predominantly white.”

And just because you make illogical arguments, it doesn’t mean you can’t take a logic course, Herb.

Just curious, what is a “white country?”

Also curious about what religion these Hispanics were before you converted them? I was under the assumption that they were largely Catholic.

“I am a Christian and I am a conservative and I am a Republican, in that order,” said Matthew D. Staver, founder and chairman of Liberty Counsel, a conservative religious law firm. “There is very little I agree with regarding President Barack Obama
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Who are these “Christian leaders”? I recognize only one leader: Jesus Christ. Any who bastardize His message are not of Him, no matter what they claim or however self-righteous they act. This is typical of the whore mongers and greedy sh*ts who prey on the faithful for personal gain. They claim to preach the message of Christ, but they cling to the message of “Me”.
“Give unto Caesar…” wasn’t just about taxes. It was about the legitimacy of law.

(note to the evangelicals here – I don’t hate your faith. I hate the sociological construct created around that faith)

Cause this isn’t about “doing what Christ would have done”. It’s all about $$$$$$. White Americans, especially Catholics, have left organized religion with increasing frequency, over the last couple decades, and people like Gonzalez need more marks to con into giving up those tithes.

“The one thing that has the potential to grab a large part of that constituency is to actually show them respect for being here, being here legally, being part of the community,” said a senior Democratic Party official.

The groups also urged people to refrain from buying anything on July 29 as an economic protest of the law.

“One should understand the actions on the 29th are, to a great degree, actions we take to inspire our own community, give hope to our own community, against those who want us to leave the state, against those who are doing anything possible to separate our families, tear apart our communities,” Gutierrez said. “We will disavow these laws, and we will do everything possible on a nonviolent basis to change these laws.”

I assume non-violent means only throwing rocks and bottles at Police. Like, last time…

I love how the sign “We have rights”
Sure you do skippy in your country of origin.
But ya better check out the constitution,
“We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”
The word us is self explanatory , meaning them.
The word Posterity,
pos•ter•i•ty
Spelled[po-ster-i-tee] Show IPA
–noun
1.
succeeding or future generations collectively: Judgment of this age must be left to posterity.
2.
all descendants of one person: His fortune was gradually dissipated by his posterity.

That means ONLY US CITIZENS!

The rights enumerated in the constitution are only for US CITIZENS!
We need to take back the judiciary and make sure that ONLY people that really UNDERSTAND the constitution in its entirety are holding those position’s of power.