I don't see a particular problem with banning things like armor piercing rounds, there really isn't any other use for those than piercing through armor. Same with clips above x size. I have no idea how big they should be, but 32 seems a bit excessive, unless you're fighting ali baba and the 40 thieves in a staged gun battle, in your back yard.

Of course, guns are fun as hell, so, we shouldn't restrict them at all, because shooting ranges.

If conservatives really wanted to stop attacks like columbine, aurora, etc. then they would support access to healthcare and services for mentally handicapped adults insead of doing the exact opposite.

If conservatives really wanted to stop attacks like columbine, aurora, etc. then they would support access to healthcare and services for mentally handicapped adults insead of doing the exact opposite.

RowdyRough:I don't see a particular problem with banning things like armor piercing rounds

The problem is that all ammunition is armor piercing. It just depends upon the armor. And once you get above standard pistol cartridges virtually everything could be reasonably classified as armor piercing.

If conservatives really wanted to stop attacks like columbine, aurora, etc. then they would support access to healthcare and services for mentally handicapped adults insead of doing the exact opposite.

Define access....does access mean they check themselves in because they think they are crazy or does a 3rd party evaluate them and then check them into a facility for their own safety.

Much like drug and alchohol abusers do not believe they have a problem I'd wager that crazy people think they are totally sane.

sprawl15:Giltric: Define access....does access mean they check themselves in because they think they are crazy or does a 3rd party evaluate them and then check them into a facility for their own safety.

Both.

Well which person is crazy, the one who buys a gun after getting robbed or home invaded, or the peaceful guy who rolls into the fetal position thinking the assailants won;t hurt them as bad this time.

"I don't understand why the police officers across this country don't stand up collectively and say, 'We're gonna go on strike. We're not going to protect you unless you, the public, through your legislature, do what's required to keep us safe,'" Bloomberg said.

Hey Mikey.....if the cops all over the country went on strike, would that decrease or increase firearm sales?

I was living in New York City at the time of the 2005 transit strike, and I credit that transit strike for turning me into a dedicated cyclist. When I couldn't take the subway to work, I decided to take my bike, which turned out to be fun and easy, even in December. After the transit strike ended, I never went back to consistent subway use and kept the bike as my primary method of transportation; depending on myself and providing my own means of getting around the city proved more dependable and reliable, and saved me around a grand each year, vs. relying on the service provided by the city. Even now, living on the other side of the country, I put in about a hundred miles every week commuting to and from work on my bike, even through the winter.

What Bloomberg is suggesting here is that a law enforcement strike would compel people to impose stricter gun control on themselves, which is the same as saying that the transit strike should have made me want to give up my bike. Take away law enforcement, take away the provided service, and it's my responsibility to protect myself. And you know what I'm going to want to hang on to if I'm left with no option but to protect myself?

RowdyRough:I don't see a particular problem with banning things like armor piercing rounds, there really isn't any other use for those than piercing through armor. Same with clips above x size. I have no idea how big they should be, but 32 seems a bit excessive, unless you're fighting ali baba and the 40 thieves in a staged gun battle, in your back yard.

Of course, guns are fun as hell, so, we shouldn't restrict them at all, because shooting ranges.

But how will I fight the army when the come to take away my freedums? I need those armor piercing rounds to destroy their helicopters and tanks.

It's good to see that politicians and pundits aren't wasting any time using the pain and suffering of the victims of the Aurora shooting to further their own political agendas. Never let a good tragedy go to waste!

Citrate1007:If conservatives really wanted to stop attacks like columbine, aurora, etc. then they would support access to healthcare and services for mentally handicapped adults insead of doing the exact opposite.

Bingo! While a solid public mental healthcare system wouldn't prevent ALL shootings (as the guy in Sweden proved), it would prevent most of them.

Would you want a child with hepatitis c serving your children? For that matter, would you want a homeless person with hepatitis c serving lemonade to your children? Would you want a Child who is sexually involved with a hepatitis c infected homeless person selling lemonade on your block?

Would you want a child with hepatitis c serving your children? For that matter, would you want a homeless person with hepatitis c serving lemonade to your children? Would you want a Child who is sexually involved with a hepatitis c infected homeless person selling lemonade on your block?

Hepatitis C is a scourge, a blight on society. Therefore, we must ban lemonade, children, and homeless people!

Would you want a child with hepatitis c serving your children? For that matter, would you want a homeless person with hepatitis c serving lemonade to your children? Would you want a Child who is sexually involved with a hepatitis c infected homeless person selling lemonade on your block?

Hepatitis C is a scourge, a blight on society. Therefore, we must ban lemonade, children, and homeless people!

LasersHurt:"No limits on any guns" is an idiotic idea that is absolutely not implicit in the amendment.

Then I don't know who's constitution you are reading.

The US constitution and bill of rights define the powers and limits of government. It spells out pretty clearly that, because the people are the source of their own security, blocking them from the arms trade is counter productive.Congress has the power to decide how things should be organized in a militia (because the militia must be able to work within the chain of command), but they couldn't disarm the states.

Irregardless the government has taken it upon itself to write thousands of infringements which are enforced. These limits are altering the shape of the modern gun, its safety features, and its capabilities as well as the user base.Since you are not pleased with the already limited and background checked access, I can only assume you want more of a restriction.

...Where does your train of thought stop?When you are in total violation of the law?

way south:LasersHurt: "No limits on any guns" is an idiotic idea that is absolutely not implicit in the amendment.

Then I don't know who's constitution you are reading.

The US constitution and bill of rights define the powers and limits of government. It spells out pretty clearly that, because the people are the source of their own security, blocking them from the arms trade is counter productive.Congress has the power to decide how things should be organized in a militia (because the militia must be able to work within the chain of command), but they couldn't disarm the states.

Irregardless the government has taken it upon itself to write thousands of infringements which are enforced. These limits are altering the shape of the modern gun, its safety features, and its capabilities as well as the user base.Since you are not pleased with the already limited and background checked access, I can only assume you want more of a restriction.

...Where does your train of thought stop?When you are in total violation of the law?

This is a ridiculous argument that presumes the pinnacle of human knowledge and culture occured 200 years ago.