The way people are going after Rolle you would think that he said he eats babies and was singlehandedly responsible for 9/11

WAAAAAY too many idiotic clowns on these boards after a loss. Its like Craig Carton created 100 accounts and just stays on here posting garbage 247
i dont really blame them. if youre going to run your mouth all week, daring qbs to throw at him more, saying "we beat the redskins 99 out of 100..." and then get beat bad, theres going to be a backlash. guy constantly runs his mouth but doesnt back it up.

rolle is highly overrated and over paid imo. HIGHLY

na hes relaly not - overrated at all. Guy is <u>doing</u> alot of things that we didn't sign him to do
lol hes constantly getting beat, hes not "doing" anything were asking him lol

dezz, i'll keep it funky with you - <u>u seem to not have a clue about what your seeing.</u> Hes not innocent, but i bet you blame him for alot of **** that isn't his fault. Our corners are brutal and this is on Webster as well. I like Webby but as I said last year (while lawl got a hissy fit over it) is that he peaked for a short while.

I think i want Cortland Finnegan next year... we need an attitude on defense. He may be dirty and a punk, but our guys don't have enough fire
stop making it seem like im pointing the finger directly at him. how many times have i said ross is trash? rolles was suppose to be this elite safety and hes anything but. kp is just as good as him.

he hasn't been playing saftey and alot of the blown coverages haven't been on him.
now who doesnt have a clue what hes watching. he plays nickle at times, not all the time.

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 01:28 PM

i just looked at where we ranked for penalties - i can't believe we're only middle of the pack...

I feel like we are one of the most penalized teams in the league but we're not

dezzzR

12-19-2011, 01:29 PM

redskins were 6 of their first 9 on 3rd down conversions.

I can't get over how bad Prince and Ross looked yesterday

I knew Prince wouldn't be ready, but <u>I was still hoping for magic</u>
yea me too. it was hard to watch.

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 01:29 PM

The way people are going after Rolle you would think that he said he eats babies and was singlehandedly responsible for 9/11

WAAAAAY too many idiotic clowns on these boards after a loss. Its like Craig Carton created 100 accounts and just stays on here posting garbage 247
i dont really blame them. if youre going to run your mouth all week, daring qbs to throw at him more, saying "we beat the redskins 99 out of 100..." and then get beat bad, theres going to be a backlash. guy constantly runs his mouth but doesnt back it up.

rolle is highly overrated and over paid imo. HIGHLY

na hes relaly not - overrated at all. Guy is <u>doing</u> alot of things that we didn't sign him to do
lol hes constantly getting beat, hes not "doing" anything were asking him lol

dezz, i'll keep it funky with you - <u>u seem to not have a clue about what your seeing.</u> Hes not innocent, but i bet you blame him for alot of **** that isn't his fault. Our corners are brutal and this is on Webster as well. I like Webby but as I said last year (while lawl got a hissy fit over it) is that he peaked for a short while.

I think i want Cortland Finnegan next year... we need an attitude on defense. He may be dirty and a punk, but our guys don't have enough fire
stop making it seem like im pointing the finger directly at him. how many times have i said ross is trash? rolles was suppose to be this elite safety and hes anything but. kp is just as good as him.

he hasn't been playing saftey and alot of the blown coverages haven't been on him.
now who doesnt have a clue what hes watching. he plays nickle at times, not all the time.

i didn't mean at all, but on passing down typically hes at the nickel now which is exactly the time we want him to be at saftey being a hawk

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 01:31 PM

redskins were 6 of their first 9 on 3rd down conversions.

I can't get over how bad Prince and Ross looked yesterday

I knew Prince wouldn't be ready, but <u>I was still hoping for magic</u>
yea me too. it was hard to watch.

He isn't as fast and quick as I thought he would be. I am hoping thats just the foot not being 100%

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 01:33 PM

i'll tell ya, i do love the fact that Rolle was calling out the team. Saying it starts in practice... thats soemthing I do like

I just hope it wasn't directed at Tuck, but i do like it.

Hopfully Herz can come back and bring a spark. ITs like one of our last chances - hes a high energy guy

bigblue4417

12-19-2011, 01:33 PM

My daughter just called me as she does every morning and the first thing she says...

"I hate when the Giants lose." lol My baby girl.

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 01:36 PM

My daughter just called me as she does every morning and the first thing she says...

"I hate when the Giants lose." lol My baby girl.

hows wifey doing?

dezzzR

12-19-2011, 01:37 PM

antrels on the fan right now. " im frustrated with not being a lud to do what i was brought here to do, go get the ball."

its true man, we aren't utilizing what he does best. I dont know if thats a reflection of Fewell or the injuries, but im starting to think its injuries. Fewells taking alot of heat, but theres nothing he can do with this team. I still am not a fan of his general philosophy, but I mean would it kill to not only play man but play bump and run. Can we hit some WRs at the line? We NEVER do that
yea i find it funny ya starts the same thread "jam them" i did last year and he shot me down like it wouldnt help at all.... go figure.

dezzzR

12-19-2011, 01:39 PM

redskins were 6 of their first 9 on 3rd down conversions.

I can't get over how bad Prince and Ross looked yesterday

I knew Prince wouldn't be ready, but <u>I was still hoping for magic</u>
yea me too. it was hard to watch.

<u>He isn't as fast and quick as I thought he would be</u>. I am hoping thats just the foot not being 100%
he really isnt. he was a few steps behind moss on that td. i dont know if he tripped again but he wasnt near him.

Kase-1

12-19-2011, 01:39 PM

i'll tell ya, i do love the fact that Rolle was calling out the team. Saying it starts in practice... thats soemthing I do like

I just hope it wasn't directed at Tuck, but i do like it.

Hopfully Herz can come back and bring a spark. ITs like one of our last chances - hes a high energy guy
I agree with Rolle, if you're hurt then sit it out and get healthy, dont risk worsening your condition, its not worth it. If you're dinged up and bruised then get yass on the field and practice

I really dont see whats so bad about what he said, everyone is jumping to all of these conclusions

bigblue4417

12-19-2011, 01:53 PM

My daughter just called me as she does every morning and the first thing she says...

"I hate when the Giants lose." lol My baby girl.

hows wifey doing?

Surgery is at 4:30 your time. She will be out by around 6 or 7. Dr better hurry so I'm home for the game. You think I have a chance tonight? I give myself about 10%. Sure would have been nice to get those 5 points from CJ but he has been so inconsistent. Tough day yesterday for me.

Morehead State

12-19-2011, 01:55 PM

i'll tell ya, i do love the fact that Rolle was calling out the team. Saying it starts in practice... thats soemthing I do like

I just hope it wasn't directed at Tuck, but i do like it.

Hopfully Herz can come back and bring a spark. ITs like one of our last chances - hes a high energy guy
I agree with Rolle, if you're hurt then sit it out and get healthy, dont risk worsening your condition, its not worth it. If you're dinged up and bruised then get yass on the field and practice

I really dont see whats so bad about what he said, everyone is jumping to all of these conclusions
</P>

Rolle is not a star.. He's a nice player that gets paid way too much.</P>

And I am tired of hearing about how our defense is banged up and TC and Fewellare doingtheir best with a bad hand. We started 5 first round draft choices yesterday, PLUS 2 high paid free agents (Canty and Boley) PLUS 2 other 2nd round picks, PLUS a two time all pro DE (Tuck). Look at the rookies and late draftees (plus undrafted free agents) starting on other teams that play way better defense than we do. This defense is poorly coached and motivated. This defense is a disgrace and TC and Fewell need to be dismissed as soon as the season ends.</P>

I like TC, but the players DO NOT respond to him in crunch time. He's a "diciplinarian" who's teams constantly play with no dicipline.</P>

How many late season collapses do we need to see?</P>

bigblue4417

12-19-2011, 01:57 PM

Panthers tight end Jeremy Shockey (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/981/jeremy-shockey)
says that when “The Star-Spangled Banner” played before Sunday’s game
against the Texans, he looked across the field at the opposing sideline
and didn’t like what he saw.</p>

According to Shockey, several players on the Texans didn’t display
proper reverence for America while the national anthem was played.</p>

“I was pretty upset when they weren’t showing respect to America (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2011/12/angry-shockey-says-texans-did-not-show-proper-respect-during-national-anthem/) during the national anthem,” Shockey said, via the Houston Chronicle.
“There were about 10 players who didn’t put their arms across their
chest. This is America. They should at least give respect to America. I
haven’t seen it anywhere else in the NFL, but I don’t know how you
forget to do something like that.”</p>

Morehead State

12-19-2011, 01:57 PM

My daughter just called me as she does every morning and the first thing she says...

"I hate when the Giants lose." lol My baby girl.

hows wifey doing?

Surgery is at 4:30 your time. She will be out by around 6 or 7. Dr better hurry so I'm home for the game. You think I have a chance tonight? I give myself about 10%. Sure would have been nice to get those 5 points from CJ but he has been so inconsistent. Tough day yesterday for me.
</P>

Tough day for both of us Landon. Thought I was dead until the Burleson TD. Thought I had it at halftime last night when both my guys stopped getting the ball. I give you at least 25% tonight.</P>

I have a feeling the FF god's are smiling on you. They tend to hate Good "Ol Morehead.</P>

dezzzR

12-19-2011, 02:00 PM

My daughter just called me as she does every morning and the first thing she says...

"I hate when the Giants lose." lol My baby girl.

hows wifey doing?

Surgery is at 4:30 your time. She will be out by around 6 or 7.<u> Dr better hurry so I'm home for the game</u>. You think I have a chance tonight? I give myself about 10%. Sure would have been nice to get those 5 points from CJ but he has been so inconsistent. Tough day yesterday for me.
lol that monday night football commercial with the plummer popped in my head for some reason
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5D6nyYKVRQ
"yeeep, most of this liquid will just evaporate and the floorboards just going to absorb everything else, yeeep, have a good one."

Kase-1

12-19-2011, 02:01 PM

i'll tell ya, i do love the fact that Rolle was calling out the team. Saying it starts in practice... thats soemthing I do like

I just hope it wasn't directed at Tuck, but i do like it.

Hopfully Herz can come back and bring a spark. ITs like one of our last chances - hes a high energy guy
I agree with Rolle, if you're hurt then sit it out and get healthy, dont risk worsening your condition, its not worth it. If you're dinged up and bruised then get yass on the field and practice

I really dont see whats so bad about what he said, everyone is jumping to all of these conclusions
</p>

Rolle is not a star.. He's a nice player that gets paid way too much.</p>

And I am tired of hearing about how our defense is banged up and TC and Fewellare doingtheir best with a bad hand. We started 5 first round draft choices yesterday, PLUS 2 high paid free agents (Canty and Boley) PLUS 2 other 2nd round picks, PLUS a two time all pro DE (Tuck). Look at the rookies and late draftees (plus undrafted free agents) starting on other teams that play way better defense than we do. This defense is poorly coached and motivated. This defense is a disgrace and TC and Fewell need to be dismissed as soon as the season ends.</p>

I like TC, but the players DO NOT respond to him in crunch time. He's a "diciplinarian" who's teams constantly play with no dicipline.</p>

How many late season collapses do we need to see?</p>Well tags like 'pro bowler' '1st round pick' and 'highly paid' dont mean a damned thing

There are plenty of players that should be pro bowlers but we all know its a popularity contest.

1st round picks SHOULD be producing immediatley, but when 1 is coming off of a reoccuring knee injury and the other is playing in his 3rd game after missing all of camp and most of the season with injury.

bigblue4417

12-19-2011, 02:04 PM

My daughter just called me as she does every morning and the first thing she says...

"I hate when the Giants lose." lol My baby girl.

hows wifey doing?

Surgery is at 4:30 your time. She will be out by around 6 or 7. Dr better hurry so I'm home for the game. You think I have a chance tonight? I give myself about 10%. Sure would have been nice to get those 5 points from CJ but he has been so inconsistent. Tough day yesterday for me.
</p>

Tough day for both of us Landon. Thought I was dead until the Burleson TD. Thought I had it at halftime last night when both my guys stopped getting the ball. I give you at least 25% tonight.</p>

I have a feeling the FF god's are smiling on you. They tend to hate Good "Ol Morehead.</p>
Man, that TD pissed me off. Had to be the worst tackling I have ever seen. He ran through have the team. Good luck to you no matter what. I have a feeling SF will be kicking alot of FG's. Akers can boot them to so it's not looking good for me. I figure Brown will have to get about 120 yards and a TD for me to win.

Kase-1

12-19-2011, 02:04 PM

Panthers tight end Jeremy Shockey (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/981/jeremy-shockey)
says that when “The Star-Spangled Banner” played before Sunday’s game
against the Texans, he looked across the field at the opposing sideline
and didn’t like what he saw.</p>

According to Shockey, several players on the Texans didn’t display
proper reverence for America while the national anthem was played.</p>

“I was pretty upset when they weren’t showing respect to America (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2011/12/angry-shockey-says-texans-did-not-show-proper-respect-during-national-anthem/) during the national anthem,” Shockey said, via the Houston Chronicle.
“There were about 10 players who didn’t put their arms across their
chest. This is America. They should at least give respect to America. I
haven’t seen it anywhere else in the NFL, but I don’t know how you
forget to do something like that.”</p>I hate Shockey, but I LOVE America

Across every sport, not everyone puts their hands on their heart, but its alright as long as they remove their helmet/hat

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 02:07 PM

so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work

dezzzR

12-19-2011, 02:09 PM

Panthers tight end Jeremy Shockey (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/981/jeremy-shockey)
says that when “The Star-Spangled Banner” played before Sunday’s game
against the Texans, he looked across the field at the opposing sideline
and didn’t like what he saw.</p>

According to Shockey, several players on the Texans didn’t display
proper reverence for America while the national anthem was played.</p>

“I was pretty upset when they weren’t showing respect to America (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2011/12/angry-shockey-says-texans-did-not-show-proper-respect-during-national-anthem/) during the national anthem,” Shockey said, via the Houston Chronicle.
“There were about 10 players who didn’t put their arms across their
chest. This is America. They should at least give respect to America. I
haven’t seen it anywhere else in the NFL, but I don’t know how you
forget to do something like that.”</p>I hate Shockey, but I LOVE America

Across every sport, not everyone puts their hands on their heart, but its alright as long as they remove their helmet/hat
yea if theres one thing iv liked about shockey is he was always patriotic, not many people are today or should i say not as many as say40-50 years ago.

i thought his tattoo was pretty sick too, especially cause it matched his uniform when he was here. haha

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 02:11 PM

Panthers tight end Jeremy Shockey (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/981/jeremy-shockey)
says that when “The Star-Spangled Banner” played before Sunday’s game
against the Texans, he looked across the field at the opposing sideline
and didn’t like what he saw.</p>

According to Shockey, several players on the Texans didn’t display
proper reverence for America while the national anthem was played.</p>

“I was pretty upset when they weren’t showing respect to America (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2011/12/angry-shockey-says-texans-did-not-show-proper-respect-during-national-anthem/) during the national anthem,” Shockey said, via the Houston Chronicle.
“There were about 10 players who didn’t put their arms across their
chest. This is America. They should at least give respect to America. I
haven’t seen it anywhere else in the NFL, but I don’t know how you
forget to do something like that.”</p>I hate Shockey, but I LOVE America

Across every sport, not everyone puts their hands on their heart, but its alright as long as they remove their helmet/hat

im with shockey on this

it really gets me riled up when I see *******s being disrespectful. I've told people to shut the **** up before

dezzzR

12-19-2011, 02:13 PM

so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
yea it is interesting and exciting......wouldnt mind it but i do prefer 4 linemen. jpp can do anything he wants, kiwis been a decent olb, not to great in coverage. didnt canty play nt in dallas?? osi will likey be gone. who would be the other de?

dezzzR

12-19-2011, 02:14 PM

Panthers tight end Jeremy Shockey (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/981/jeremy-shockey)
says that when “The Star-Spangled Banner” played before Sunday’s game
against the Texans, he looked across the field at the opposing sideline
and didn’t like what he saw.</p>

According to Shockey, several players on the Texans didn’t display
proper reverence for America while the national anthem was played.</p>

“I was pretty upset when they weren’t showing respect to America (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2011/12/angry-shockey-says-texans-did-not-show-proper-respect-during-national-anthem/) during the national anthem,” Shockey said, via the Houston Chronicle.
“There were about 10 players who didn’t put their arms across their
chest. This is America. They should at least give respect to America. I
haven’t seen it anywhere else in the NFL, but I don’t know how you
forget to do something like that.”</p>I hate Shockey, but I LOVE America

Across every sport, not everyone puts their hands on their heart, but its alright as long as they remove their helmet/hat

im with shockey on this

it really gets me riled up when I see *******s being disrespectful. I've told people to shut the **** up before
me too and "HATS OFF!!!" eeevery single frigging time.

ny06

12-19-2011, 02:14 PM

so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
</P>

You wan't Joseph to play nose tackle?</P>

That may be asking too much from him, I don't think he has ever played that position. College or pro's. </P>

It's not that easy changing positions. </P>

I don't see 3-4 defense with the personal we have. </P>

Our best player on D, (JPP) should stay where he is at. As a 3-4 outside linebacker he will be asked to react to the offense instead of attacking. </P>

I can't see Boley playing the middle of a 3-4 either.</P>

This team needs linebackers in the worst way, not late round draft picks that may be great a few years down the road. We need guys who can step in and contribute. </P>

You want to put Tuck at defensive end at the 3-4? I don't think his body can take that much abuse. There sole job is to eat up blockers. Canty can do it for he did it in Dallas. </P>

Kase-1

12-19-2011, 02:15 PM

so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
a 3-4 defense is based on 2 things a solid NT and an excellent corp of LBs. Not a bunch of guys who have played 4-3 since college and all of their years in the NFL have been in 4-3.

If anything Osi is the perfect pass rushing olb in a 3-4, and why would you want to move JPP when he's having a phenomenal season.

I dont like our guys in a 3-4 at all

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 02:16 PM

so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
yea it is interesting and exciting......wouldnt mind it but i do prefer 4 linemen. jpp can do anything he wants, kiwis been a decent olb, not to great in coverage. didnt canty play nt in dallas?? osi will likey be gone. who would be the other de?

na he played DE in Dallas

Tuck can play the other DE

lttaylor56

12-19-2011, 02:17 PM

How many yards does Cruz and Nicks need to break the team season record & Eli for the passing yards he was closing in on? What seemed like a sure thing, now seems somewhat distant.

Kase-1

12-19-2011, 02:17 PM

Panthers tight end Jeremy Shockey (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/981/jeremy-shockey)
says that when “The Star-Spangled Banner” played before Sunday’s game
against the Texans, he looked across the field at the opposing sideline
and didn’t like what he saw.</p>

According to Shockey, several players on the Texans didn’t display
proper reverence for America while the national anthem was played.</p>

“I was pretty upset when they weren’t showing respect to America (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2011/12/angry-shockey-says-texans-did-not-show-proper-respect-during-national-anthem/) during the national anthem,” Shockey said, via the Houston Chronicle.
“There were about 10 players who didn’t put their arms across their
chest. This is America. They should at least give respect to America. I
haven’t seen it anywhere else in the NFL, but I don’t know how you
forget to do something like that.”</p>I hate Shockey, but I LOVE America

Across every sport, not everyone puts their hands on their heart, but its alright as long as they remove their helmet/hat

im with shockey on this

it really gets me riled up when I see *******s being disrespectful. I've told people to shut the **** up before
"SHUT THE **** UP, IM TRYING TO LISTEN TO THE ****ING SONG!!!!!"

http://www.slap-shot.com/Hansons35c.jpg

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 02:19 PM

so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
a 3-4 defense is based on 2 things a solid NT and an excellent corp of LBs. Not a bunch of guys who have played 4-3 since college and all of their years in the NFL have been in 4-3.

If anything Osi is the perfect pass rushing olb in a 3-4, and why would you want to move JPP when he's having a phenomenal season.

I dont like our guys in a 3-4 at all

Well Joseph is like a prototypical NT. I just dind't think he'd be this read this year, so when we had this debate in the offseason it seemed impossible...

we'd DEFINTILY be in question at ILB, but I think with JPP and Kiwi we'd rival Steelers for the best OLBs in the game. If Orakpo and Mario Williams cana succeed the way they do after making the switch then JPP ABSOLUTELY can.

Kiwi is playing a hybrid in the 4-3 as a DEOLB anyway - hes absolutely PERFECT for OLB in the 3-4

Morehead State

12-19-2011, 02:22 PM

i'll tell ya, i do love the fact that Rolle was calling out the team. Saying it starts in practice... thats soemthing I do like

I just hope it wasn't directed at Tuck, but i do like it.

Hopfully Herz can come back and bring a spark. ITs like one of our last chances - hes a high energy guy
I agree with Rolle, if you're hurt then sit it out and get healthy, dont risk worsening your condition, its not worth it. If you're dinged up and bruised then get yass on the field and practice

I really dont see whats so bad about what he said, everyone is jumping to all of these conclusions
</P>

Rolle is not a star.. He's a nice player that gets paid way too much.</P>

And I am tired of hearing about how our defense is banged up and TC and Fewellare doingtheir best with a bad hand. We started 5 first round draft choices yesterday, PLUS 2 high paid free agents (Canty and Boley) PLUS 2 other 2nd round picks, PLUS a two time all pro DE (Tuck). Look at the rookies and late draftees (plus undrafted free agents) starting on other teams that play way better defense than we do. This defense is poorly coached and motivated. This defense is a disgrace and TC and Fewell need to be dismissed as soon as the season ends.</P>

I like TC, but the players DO NOT respond to him in crunch time. He's a "diciplinarian" who's teams constantly play with no dicipline.</P>

There are plenty of players that should be pro bowlers but we all know its a popularity contest.

1st round picks SHOULD be producing immediatley, but when 1 is coming off of a reoccuring knee injury and the other is playing in his 3rd game after missing all of camp and most of the season with injury.
</P>

These are good football players Kase. And all or most are established vets in their prime. All I'm saying is that talent isn't the problem. there are defenses out there with far less talent who are performing at a much higher level collectively as defenses.</P>

My point is that this is about coaching. That includes both scheme and motivation.</P>

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 02:24 PM

so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
</p>

You wan't Joseph to play nose tackle?</p>

That may be asking too much from him, I don't think he has ever played that position. College or pro's. </p>

It's not that easy changing positions. </p>

I don't see 3-4 defense with the personal we have. </p>

Our best player on D, (JPP) should stay where he is at. As a 3-4 outside linebacker he will be asked to react to the offense instead of attacking. </p>

I can't see Boley playing the middle of a 3-4 either.</p>

This team needs linebackers in the worst way, not late round draft picks that may be great a few years down the road. We need guys who can step in and contribute. </p>

You want to put Tuck at defensive end at the 3-4? I don't think his body can take that much abuse. There sole job is to eat up blockers. Canty can do it for he did it in Dallas. </p>

i dont think he has either but his strength, size, and mobility would be perfect for it. I remember I didn't know who he was when we drafted him and almost every scouting report was how well of a NT he could be.

How much does Demarcus Ware and Mario Williams really REACT though. I mean if anything under Fewell we've seen JPPs range in dropping back and moving around... i think it would be a natural transition. I think he'd flourish.

Boley would be the stretch - ILB could be an issue, but **** it, trade Osi for someone. Thats our chip.

Tuck slides to tackle alot anyway... Tuck has to be able to take that abuse, i mean lets be honest its not THAT much different than the role hes playing now. If thats the deciding factor in whether tuck lasts or not then we might as well start looking to replace him now.

Morehead State

12-19-2011, 02:24 PM

so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
</P>

You wan't Joseph to play nose tackle?</P>

That may be asking too much from him, I don't think he has ever played that position. College or pro's. </P>

It's not that easy changing positions. </P>

I don't see 3-4 defense with the personal we have. </P>

Our best player on D, (JPP) should stay where he is at. As a 3-4 outside linebacker he will be asked to react to the offense instead of attacking. </P>

I can't see Boley playing the middle of a 3-4 either.</P>

This team needs linebackers in the worst way, not late round draft picks that may be great a few years down the road. We need guys who can step in and contribute. </P>

You want to put Tuck at defensive end at the 3-4? I don't think his body can take that much abuse. There sole job is to eat up blockers. Canty can do it for he did it in Dallas. </P>

</P>

If you want to play 3-4 thats fine. But we need to get a bunch of new players. Kiwi is a DE and doesn't have the hips to plat LB in a 3-4.</P>

Kase-1

12-19-2011, 02:25 PM

so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
a 3-4 defense is based on 2 things a solid NT and an excellent corp of LBs. Not a bunch of guys who have played 4-3 since college and all of their years in the NFL have been in 4-3.

If anything Osi is the perfect pass rushing olb in a 3-4, and why would you want to move JPP when he's having a phenomenal season.

I dont like our guys in a 3-4 at all

Well Joseph is like a prototypical NT. I just dind't think he'd be this read this year, so when we had this debate in the offseason it seemed impossible...

we'd DEFINTILY be in question at ILB, but I think with JPP and Kiwi we'd rival Steelers for the best OLBs in the game. If Orakpo and Mario Williams cana succeed the way they do after making the switch then JPP ABSOLUTELY can.

Kiwi is playing a hybrid in the 4-3 as a DEOLB anyway - hes absolutely PERFECT for OLB in the 3-4
Joseph is NOT a prototypical NT, just cause he's big doesnt mean he's the next 3-4 anchor

we Def dont have the personnel for 3-4 lb's, none of our guys have EVER played a 3-4, just because they have size and speed doesnt mean they have the goods to play in a 3-4 just like that

Orakpo and Mario succeeded cause they had the right pieces around them and the Texans have a ton of depth at LB

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 02:26 PM

so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
</p>

You wan't Joseph to play nose tackle?</p>

That may be asking too much from him, I don't think he has ever played that position. College or pro's. </p>

It's not that easy changing positions. </p>

I don't see 3-4 defense with the personal we have. </p>

Our best player on D, (JPP) should stay where he is at. As a 3-4 outside linebacker he will be asked to react to the offense instead of attacking. </p>

I can't see Boley playing the middle of a 3-4 either.</p>

This team needs linebackers in the worst way, not late round draft picks that may be great a few years down the road. We need guys who can step in and contribute. </p>

You want to put Tuck at defensive end at the 3-4? I don't think his body can take that much abuse. There sole job is to eat up blockers. Canty can do it for he did it in Dallas. </p>

</p>

If you want to play 3-4 thats fine. But we need to get a bunch of new players. Kiwi is a DE and doesn't have the hips to plat LB in a 3-4.</p>

hes playing a 4-3 OLB, def need more hips for that and hes doing a pretty decent job. I think he'd excel in the 3-4

lttaylor56

12-19-2011, 02:30 PM

so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
</p>

You wan't Joseph to play nose tackle?</p>

That may be asking too much from him, I don't think he has ever played that position. College or pro's. </p>

It's not that easy changing positions. </p>

I don't see 3-4 defense with the personal we have. </p>

Our best player on D, (JPP) should stay where he is at. As a 3-4 outside linebacker he will be asked to react to the offense instead of attacking. </p>

I can't see Boley playing the middle of a 3-4 either.</p>

This team needs linebackers in the worst way, not late round draft picks that may be great a few years down the road. We need guys who can step in and contribute. </p>

You want to put Tuck at defensive end at the 3-4? I don't think his body can take that much abuse. There sole job is to eat up blockers. Canty can do it for he did it in Dallas. </p>

</p>

If you want to play 3-4 thats fine.* But we need to get a bunch of new players.* Kiwi is a DE and doesn't have the hips to plat LB in a 3-4.</p>

hes playing a 4-3 OLB,* def need more hips for that and hes doing a pretty decent job. I think he'd excel in the 3-4
Kiwi was especially amazing in Dallas last week. Not sure if he could fit the 3-4, but he's probably the best equipped to make the transition. Tuck is breaking down already and we're going to ask him to take more abuse? I don't know.

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 02:32 PM

so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
a 3-4 defense is based on 2 things a solid NT and an excellent corp of LBs. Not a bunch of guys who have played 4-3 since college and all of their years in the NFL have been in 4-3.

If anything Osi is the perfect pass rushing olb in a 3-4, and why would you want to move JPP when he's having a phenomenal season.

I dont like our guys in a 3-4 at all

Well Joseph is like a prototypical NT. I just dind't think he'd be this read this year, so when we had this debate in the offseason it seemed impossible...

we'd DEFINTILY be in question at ILB, but I think with JPP and Kiwi we'd rival Steelers for the best OLBs in the game. If Orakpo and Mario Williams cana succeed the way they do after making the switch then JPP ABSOLUTELY can.

Kiwi is playing a hybrid in the 4-3 as a DEOLB anyway - hes absolutely PERFECT for OLB in the 3-4
Joseph is NOT a prototypical NT, just cause he's big doesnt mean he's the next 3-4 anchor

we Def dont have the personnel for 3-4 lb's, none of our guys have EVER played a 3-4, just because they have size and speed doesnt mean they have the goods to play in a 3-4 just like that

Orakpo and Mario succeeded cause they had the right pieces around them and the Texans have a ton of depth at LB

ehhh I guess, but I think finding ILBs are easier to find that 4-3 MLBs

Kiwi absolutely does everything a 3-4 OLB does right now.. He basically is one.

Joseph may be proto-typical NT

It gives our athletics freaks a chance to be athletic freaks.

we are 2-3 pieces away from having a pretty dominante front 7 of a 3-4

we are about 3-4 pieces away from having a dominant front 7 in a 4-3, which sucks

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 02:34 PM

so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
</p>

You wan't Joseph to play nose tackle?</p>

That may be asking too much from him, I don't think he has ever played that position. College or pro's. </p>

It's not that easy changing positions. </p>

I don't see 3-4 defense with the personal we have. </p>

Our best player on D, (JPP) should stay where he is at. As a 3-4 outside linebacker he will be asked to react to the offense instead of attacking. </p>

I can't see Boley playing the middle of a 3-4 either.</p>

This team needs linebackers in the worst way, not late round draft picks that may be great a few years down the road. We need guys who can step in and contribute. </p>

You want to put Tuck at defensive end at the 3-4? I don't think his body can take that much abuse. There sole job is to eat up blockers. Canty can do it for he did it in Dallas. </p>

</p>

If you want to play 3-4 thats fine. But we need to get a bunch of new players. Kiwi is a DE and doesn't have the hips to plat LB in a 3-4.</p>

hes playing a 4-3 OLB, def need more hips for that and hes doing a pretty decent job. I think he'd excel in the 3-4
Kiwi was especially amazing in Dallas last week. Not sure if he could fit the 3-4, but he's probably the best equipped to make the transition. Tuck is breaking down already and we're going to ask him to take more abuse? I don't know.

i don't really consider tuck breaking down

hes coming off of his best year as a Giant, hes just injured this year.

Only other time he had a subpar year is when he tore his labrum. He played ALOT of DT that year too.

If Osi was here, bet your *** he'd still be seeing alot of DT. Theres not as much "abuse" with a DE between the 3-4 and 4-3 as u guys think. Especially if that DE in the 4-3 slides to tackle alot

Kase-1

12-19-2011, 02:36 PM

so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
</p>

You wan't Joseph to play nose tackle?</p>

That may be asking too much from him, I don't think he has ever played that position. College or pro's. </p>

It's not that easy changing positions. </p>

I don't see 3-4 defense with the personal we have. </p>

Our best player on D, (JPP) should stay where he is at. As a 3-4 outside linebacker he will be asked to react to the offense instead of attacking. </p>

I can't see Boley playing the middle of a 3-4 either.</p>

This team needs linebackers in the worst way, not late round draft picks that may be great a few years down the road. We need guys who can step in and contribute. </p>

You want to put Tuck at defensive end at the 3-4? I don't think his body can take that much abuse. There sole job is to eat up blockers. Canty can do it for he did it in Dallas. </p>

i dont think he has either but his strength, size, and mobility would be perfect for it. I remember I didn't know who he was when we drafted him and almost every scouting report was how well of a NT he could be.

How much does Demarcus Ware and Mario Williams really REACT though. I mean if anything under Fewell we've seen JPPs range in dropping back and moving around... i think it would be a natural transition. I think he'd flourish.

Boley would be the stretch - ILB could be an issue, but **** it, trade Osi for someone. Thats our chip.

Tuck slides to tackle alot anyway... Tuck has to be able to take that abuse, i mean lets be honest its not THAT much different than the role hes playing now. If thats the deciding factor in whether tuck lasts or not then we might as well start looking to replace him now.
1st off Osi would probably be our best 3-4 OLB, if we switched to 3-4 we should probably trade Tuck and maybe even Kiwi.

3-4 DE's are glorified space eaters, its possibly the least important position in the 3-4 D.

2nd we dont have anyone that would be a good 3-4 ILB other than maybe Greg Jones, but I dont think he would be a good starter. Boley isn't a good enough run stopper to be a starting ILB

So that means we'd have to trade Tuck for a NT or OLB, Switch Canty back to DE and I guess Linval as well. Trade Boley for a draft pick or a 3-4 ILB, and Trade Kiwi for an OLB or ILB

Too many moves for my liking, and the guys we keep arent playing their strengths

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 02:38 PM

wasn't greg jones an ILB?

dezzzR

12-19-2011, 02:39 PM

so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
</p>

You wan't Joseph to play nose tackle?</p>

That may be asking too much from him, I don't think he has ever played that position. College or pro's. </p>

It's not that easy changing positions. </p>

I don't see 3-4 defense with the personal we have. </p>

Our best player on D, (JPP) should stay where he is at. As a 3-4 outside linebacker he will be asked to react to the offense instead of attacking. </p>

I can't see Boley playing the middle of a 3-4 either.</p>

This team needs linebackers in the worst way, not late round draft picks that may be great a few years down the road. We need guys who can step in and contribute. </p>

You want to put Tuck at defensive end at the 3-4? I don't think his body can take that much abuse. There sole job is to eat up blockers. Canty can do it for he did it in Dallas. </p>

</p>

If you want to play 3-4 thats fine. But we need to get a bunch of new players. Kiwi is a DE and doesn't have the hips to plat LB in a 3-4.</p>

hes playing a 4-3 OLB, def need more hips for that and hes doing a pretty decent job. I think he'd excel in the 3-4
Kiwi was especially amazing in Dallas last week. Not sure if he could fit the 3-4, but he's probably the best equipped to make the transition. Tuck is breaking down already and we're going to ask him to take more abuse? I don't know.

i don't really consider tuck breaking down

hes coming off of his best year as a Giant, hes just injured this year.

Only other time he had a subpar year is when he tore his labrum. He played ALOT of DT that year too.

If Osi was here, bet your *** he'd still be seeing alot of DT. <u>Theres not as much "abuse" with a DE between the 3-4 and 4-3 as u guys think. Especially if that DE in the 4-3 slides to tackle alot</u>
i know what youre saying and i agree but tuck is injury prone imo

lttaylor56

12-19-2011, 02:39 PM

so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
</p>

You wan't Joseph to play nose tackle?</p>

That may be asking too much from him, I don't think he has ever played that position. College or pro's. </p>

It's not that easy changing positions. </p>

I don't see 3-4 defense with the personal we have. </p>

Our best player on D, (JPP) should stay where he is at. As a 3-4 outside linebacker he will be asked to react to the offense instead of attacking. </p>

I can't see Boley playing the middle of a 3-4 either.</p>

This team needs linebackers in the worst way, not late round draft picks that may be great a few years down the road. We need guys who can step in and contribute. </p>

You want to put Tuck at defensive end at the 3-4? I don't think his body can take that much abuse. There sole job is to eat up blockers. Canty can do it for he did it in Dallas. </p>

</p>

If you want to play 3-4 thats fine.* But we need to get a bunch of new players.* Kiwi is a DE and doesn't have the hips to plat LB in a 3-4.</p>

hes playing a 4-3 OLB,* def need more hips for that and hes doing a pretty decent job. I think he'd excel in the 3-4
Kiwi was especially amazing in Dallas last week. Not sure if he could fit the 3-4, but he's probably the best equipped to make the transition. Tuck is breaking down already and we're going to ask him to take more abuse? I don't know.

i don't really consider tuck breaking down

hes coming off of his best year as a Giant, hes just injured this year.

Only other time he had a subpar year is when he tore his labrum.* He played ALOT of DT that year too.

If Osi was here, bet your *** he'd still be seeing alot of DT.* Theres not as much "abuse" with a DE between the 3-4 and 4-3 as u guys think.* Especially if that DE in the 4-3 slides to tackle alot
Going back to what mh said earlier...it's hard to fathom with the personnel that we have our lack of success and execution on defense. There is talent on this team.

dezzzR

12-19-2011, 02:41 PM

so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
</p>

You wan't Joseph to play nose tackle?</p>

That may be asking too much from him, I don't think he has ever played that position. College or pro's. </p>

It's not that easy changing positions. </p>

I don't see 3-4 defense with the personal we have. </p>

Our best player on D, (JPP) should stay where he is at. As a 3-4 outside linebacker he will be asked to react to the offense instead of attacking. </p>

I can't see Boley playing the middle of a 3-4 either.</p>

This team needs linebackers in the worst way, not late round draft picks that may be great a few years down the road. We need guys who can step in and contribute. </p>

You want to put Tuck at defensive end at the 3-4? I don't think his body can take that much abuse. There sole job is to eat up blockers. Canty can do it for he did it in Dallas. </p>

</p>

If you want to play 3-4 thats fine. But we need to get a bunch of new players. Kiwi is a DE and doesn't have the hips to plat LB in a 3-4.</p>

hes playing a 4-3 OLB, def need more hips for that and hes doing a pretty decent job. I think he'd excel in the 3-4
Kiwi was especially amazing in Dallas last week. Not sure if he could fit the 3-4, but he's probably the best equipped to make the transition. Tuck is breaking down already and we're going to ask him to take more abuse? I don't know.

i don't really consider tuck breaking down

hes coming off of his best year as a Giant, hes just injured this year.

Only other time he had a subpar year is when he tore his labrum. He played ALOT of DT that year too.

If Osi was here, bet your *** he'd still be seeing alot of DT. Theres not as much "abuse" with a DE between the 3-4 and 4-3 as u guys think. Especially if that DE in the 4-3 slides to tackle alot
Going back to what mh said earlier...it's hard to fathom with the personnel that we have our lack of success and execution on defense. <u>There is talent on this team.</u>mhs 1000000000000% correct. there loads of talent on the defense. thats why its so damn frustrating!

Morehead State

12-19-2011, 02:45 PM

so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
</P>

You wan't Joseph to play nose tackle?</P>

That may be asking too much from him, I don't think he has ever played that position. College or pro's. </P>

It's not that easy changing positions. </P>

I don't see 3-4 defense with the personal we have. </P>

Our best player on D, (JPP) should stay where he is at. As a 3-4 outside linebacker he will be asked to react to the offense instead of attacking. </P>

I can't see Boley playing the middle of a 3-4 either.</P>

This team needs linebackers in the worst way, not late round draft picks that may be great a few years down the road. We need guys who can step in and contribute. </P>

You want to put Tuck at defensive end at the 3-4? I don't think his body can take that much abuse. There sole job is to eat up blockers. Canty can do it for he did it in Dallas. </P>

</P>

If you want to play 3-4 thats fine. But we need to get a bunch of new players. Kiwi is a DE and doesn't have the hips to plat LB in a 3-4.</P>

hes playing a 4-3 OLB, def need more hips for that and hes doing a pretty decent job. I think he'd excel in the 3-4
Kiwi was especially amazing in Dallas last week. Not sure if he could fit the 3-4, but he's probably the best equipped to make the transition. Tuck is breaking down already and we're going to ask him to take more abuse? I don't know.

i don't really consider tuck breaking down

hes coming off of his best year as a Giant, hes just injured this year.

Only other time he had a subpar year is when he tore his labrum. He played ALOT of DT that year too.

If Osi was here, bet your *** he'd still be seeing alot of DT. Theres not as much "abuse" with a DE between the 3-4 and 4-3 as u guys think. Especially if that DE in the 4-3 slides to tackle alot
</P>

Tuck is injury prone every year. He was injury prone at ND. That's why he went in the third round. That was the draft that EA went after some high ceiling but risky players because we didn't have a first round pick. he picked Webby in the second who also had injury problems in school. He obviously was a great pick there.</P>

But we knew what we were getting with Tuck.</P>

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 02:45 PM

so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
</p>

You wan't Joseph to play nose tackle?</p>

That may be asking too much from him, I don't think he has ever played that position. College or pro's. </p>

It's not that easy changing positions. </p>

I don't see 3-4 defense with the personal we have. </p>

Our best player on D, (JPP) should stay where he is at. As a 3-4 outside linebacker he will be asked to react to the offense instead of attacking. </p>

I can't see Boley playing the middle of a 3-4 either.</p>

This team needs linebackers in the worst way, not late round draft picks that may be great a few years down the road. We need guys who can step in and contribute. </p>

You want to put Tuck at defensive end at the 3-4? I don't think his body can take that much abuse. There sole job is to eat up blockers. Canty can do it for he did it in Dallas. </p>

i dont think he has either but his strength, size, and mobility would be perfect for it. I remember I didn't know who he was when we drafted him and almost every scouting report was how well of a NT he could be.

How much does Demarcus Ware and Mario Williams really REACT though. I mean if anything under Fewell we've seen JPPs range in dropping back and moving around... i think it would be a natural transition. I think he'd flourish.

Boley would be the stretch - ILB could be an issue, but **** it, trade Osi for someone. Thats our chip.

Tuck slides to tackle alot anyway... Tuck has to be able to take that abuse, i mean lets be honest its not THAT much different than the role hes playing now. If thats the deciding factor in whether tuck lasts or not then we might as well start looking to replace him now.
1st off Osi would probably be our best 3-4 OLB, if we switched to 3-4 we should probably trade Tuck and maybe even Kiwi.

3-4 DE's are glorified space eaters, its possibly the least important position in the 3-4 D.

2nd we dont have anyone that would be a good 3-4 ILB other than maybe Greg Jones, but I dont think he would be a good starter. Boley isn't a good enough run stopper to be a starting ILB

So that means we'd have to trade Tuck for a NT or OLB, Switch Canty back to DE and I guess Linval as well. Trade Boley for a draft pick or a 3-4 ILB, and Trade Kiwi for an OLB or ILB

Too many moves for my liking, and the guys we keep arent playing their strengths

lol whaaaat! come on mang! First off, Osi is gone after thisyear. I can't see the Giants putting up with his ****. he would be HORRID as a 3-4. The guy can only pass rush and isn't physical at all. He doesn't play the run, no way Osi would be a good 3-4 guy.

I agree, but i'm just saying that Tuck could definitly transition there. Would be big to have him there for passing downs as well. He has played enough 4-3 DT to where he'll be alrite.

I agree ILB would be an issue, but wouldn't that basically put us exactly in the same position we are now? I mean our LBers are all questionable. Boley is having a good year, Kiwi is having decent but we have NOBODY at MLB. Only difference is that finding ILBs are easier than MLBs and we are getting better use out of Kiwi and JPP...

I disagree, i think that in the 3 spots that are probably most important in the 3-4 both OLBs and NT, we'd be moving 3 players who will perform even better than where they are. JPP is a beast... let him roam like we started to do yesterday. Fewell has this tampa 2 where he likes dropping lineman, more than he should. JPP drops, he can cover - i'd love it

Kase-1

12-19-2011, 02:46 PM

so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
a 3-4 defense is based on 2 things a solid NT and an excellent corp of LBs. Not a bunch of guys who have played 4-3 since college and all of their years in the NFL have been in 4-3.

If anything Osi is the perfect pass rushing olb in a 3-4, and why would you want to move JPP when he's having a phenomenal season.

I dont like our guys in a 3-4 at all

Well Joseph is like a prototypical NT. I just dind't think he'd be this read this year, so when we had this debate in the offseason it seemed impossible...

we'd DEFINTILY be in question at ILB, but I think with JPP and Kiwi we'd rival Steelers for the best OLBs in the game. If Orakpo and Mario Williams cana succeed the way they do after making the switch then JPP ABSOLUTELY can.

Kiwi is playing a hybrid in the 4-3 as a DEOLB anyway - hes absolutely PERFECT for OLB in the 3-4
Joseph is NOT a prototypical NT, just cause he's big doesnt mean he's the next 3-4 anchor

we Def dont have the personnel for 3-4 lb's, none of our guys have EVER played a 3-4, just because they have size and speed doesnt mean they have the goods to play in a 3-4 just like that

Orakpo and Mario succeeded cause they had the right pieces around them and the Texans have a ton of depth at LB

ehhh I guess, but I think finding ILBs are easier to find that 4-3 MLBs

Kiwi absolutely does everything a 3-4 OLB does right now.. He basically is one.

Joseph may be proto-typical NT

It gives our athletics freaks a chance to be athletic freaks.

we are 2-3 pieces away from having a pretty dominante front 7 of a 3-4

we are about 3-4 pieces away from having a dominant front 7 in a 4-3, which sucks
But Joseph and Canty are in a hybrid 1 and 2 gap style of line play.

3-4 puts out 'athletic freak' in a position he's never played before and taking him out of the position he's grown into and has been KILLING it at so far.

IMO we're 2-3 pieces away from a dominant 4-3, and we're missing the most important parts of a 3-4 Defense

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 02:48 PM

so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
</p>

You wan't Joseph to play nose tackle?</p>

That may be asking too much from him, I don't think he has ever played that position. College or pro's. </p>

It's not that easy changing positions. </p>

I don't see 3-4 defense with the personal we have. </p>

Our best player on D, (JPP) should stay where he is at. As a 3-4 outside linebacker he will be asked to react to the offense instead of attacking. </p>

I can't see Boley playing the middle of a 3-4 either.</p>

This team needs linebackers in the worst way, not late round draft picks that may be great a few years down the road. We need guys who can step in and contribute. </p>

You want to put Tuck at defensive end at the 3-4? I don't think his body can take that much abuse. There sole job is to eat up blockers. Canty can do it for he did it in Dallas. </p>

</p>

If you want to play 3-4 thats fine. But we need to get a bunch of new players. Kiwi is a DE and doesn't have the hips to plat LB in a 3-4.</p>

hes playing a 4-3 OLB, def need more hips for that and hes doing a pretty decent job. I think he'd excel in the 3-4
Kiwi was especially amazing in Dallas last week. Not sure if he could fit the 3-4, but he's probably the best equipped to make the transition. Tuck is breaking down already and we're going to ask him to take more abuse? I don't know.

i don't really consider tuck breaking down

hes coming off of his best year as a Giant, hes just injured this year.

Only other time he had a subpar year is when he tore his labrum. He played ALOT of DT that year too.

If Osi was here, bet your *** he'd still be seeing alot of DT. Theres not as much "abuse" with a DE between the 3-4 and 4-3 as u guys think. Especially if that DE in the 4-3 slides to tackle alot
</p>

Tuck is injury prone every year. He was injury prone at ND. That's why he went in the third round. That was the draft that EA went after some high ceiling but risky players because we didn't have a first round pick. he picked Webby in the second who also had injury problems in school. He obviously was a great pick there.</p>

But we knew what we were getting with Tuck.</p>

we aren't talking about him being injury prone - if hes injury prone hes injury prone. Your really acting like playing defensive line in a 4-3 is patty cake, but for the 3-4 its a huge difference.

Since tuck has arrived as a player for us, hes been dominant. To suggest he is breaking down is a bit much.

And I remember that year we got Webby, he had a bad ankle sprain the year before that just took him out and dropped him out of first round status. It was him and Pacman for the best CBs in the draft that year

Kase-1

12-19-2011, 02:49 PM

wasn't greg jones an ILB?
Im pretty sure he was a starting ILB in a 3-4 scheme, but big whoop, Goff was a starting MLB in a NFL 4-3 scheme and Herz was an all around 4-3 LB at BC

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 02:54 PM

wasn't greg jones an ILB?
Im pretty sure he was a starting ILB in a 3-4 scheme, but big whoop, Goff was a starting MLB in a NFL 4-3 scheme and Herz was an all around 4-3 LB at BC

Goff is a FA

lttaylor56

12-19-2011, 02:54 PM

so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
</p>

You wan't Joseph to play nose tackle?</p>

That may be asking too much from him, I don't think he has ever played that position. College or pro's. </p>

It's not that easy changing positions. </p>

I don't see 3-4 defense with the personal we have. </p>

Our best player on D, (JPP) should stay where he is at. As a 3-4 outside linebacker he will be asked to react to the offense instead of attacking. </p>

I can't see Boley playing the middle of a 3-4 either.</p>

This team needs linebackers in the worst way, not late round draft picks that may be great a few years down the road. We need guys who can step in and contribute. </p>

You want to put Tuck at defensive end at the 3-4? I don't think his body can take that much abuse. There sole job is to eat up blockers. Canty can do it for he did it in Dallas. </p>

</p>

If you want to play 3-4 thats fine.* But we need to get a bunch of new players.* Kiwi is a DE and doesn't have the hips to plat LB in a 3-4.</p>

hes playing a 4-3 OLB,* def need more hips for that and hes doing a pretty decent job. I think he'd excel in the 3-4
Kiwi was especially amazing in Dallas last week. Not sure if he could fit the 3-4, but he's probably the best equipped to make the transition. Tuck is breaking down already and we're going to ask him to take more abuse? I don't know.

i don't really consider tuck breaking down

hes coming off of his best year as a Giant, hes just injured this year.

Only other time he had a subpar year is when he tore his labrum.* He played ALOT of DT that year too.

If Osi was here, bet your *** he'd still be seeing alot of DT.* Theres not as much "abuse" with a DE between the 3-4 and 4-3 as u guys think.* Especially if that DE in the 4-3 slides to tackle alot
Going back to what mh said earlier...it's hard to fathom with the personnel that we have our lack of success and execution on defense. <u>There is talent on this team.</u>mhs 1000000000000% correct. there loads of talent on the defense. thats why its so damn frustrating!
It's frustrating and no one has any explanation for it. So I don't feel so bad, when I scratch my head and cannot figure it out either.

Well at least all we have to do is beat the jets and Dallas. How hard could that be? lol

Kase-1

12-19-2011, 02:55 PM

so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
</p>

You wan't Joseph to play nose tackle?</p>

That may be asking too much from him, I don't think he has ever played that position. College or pro's. </p>

It's not that easy changing positions. </p>

I don't see 3-4 defense with the personal we have. </p>

Our best player on D, (JPP) should stay where he is at. As a 3-4 outside linebacker he will be asked to react to the offense instead of attacking. </p>

I can't see Boley playing the middle of a 3-4 either.</p>

This team needs linebackers in the worst way, not late round draft picks that may be great a few years down the road. We need guys who can step in and contribute. </p>

You want to put Tuck at defensive end at the 3-4? I don't think his body can take that much abuse. There sole job is to eat up blockers. Canty can do it for he did it in Dallas. </p>

i dont think he has either but his strength, size, and mobility would be perfect for it. I remember I didn't know who he was when we drafted him and almost every scouting report was how well of a NT he could be.

How much does Demarcus Ware and Mario Williams really REACT though. I mean if anything under Fewell we've seen JPPs range in dropping back and moving around... i think it would be a natural transition. I think he'd flourish.

Boley would be the stretch - ILB could be an issue, but **** it, trade Osi for someone. Thats our chip.

Tuck slides to tackle alot anyway... Tuck has to be able to take that abuse, i mean lets be honest its not THAT much different than the role hes playing now. If thats the deciding factor in whether tuck lasts or not then we might as well start looking to replace him now.
1st off Osi would probably be our best 3-4 OLB, if we switched to 3-4 we should probably trade Tuck and maybe even Kiwi.

3-4 DE's are glorified space eaters, its possibly the least important position in the 3-4 D.

2nd we dont have anyone that would be a good 3-4 ILB other than maybe Greg Jones, but I dont think he would be a good starter. Boley isn't a good enough run stopper to be a starting ILB

So that means we'd have to trade Tuck for a NT or OLB, Switch Canty back to DE and I guess Linval as well. Trade Boley for a draft pick or a 3-4 ILB, and Trade Kiwi for an OLB or ILB

Too many moves for my liking, and the guys we keep arent playing their strengths

lol whaaaat! come on mang! First off, Osi is gone after thisyear. I can't see the Giants putting up with his ****. he would be HORRID as a 3-4. The guy can only pass rush and isn't physical at all. He doesn't play the run, no way Osi would be a good 3-4 guy.

I agree, but i'm just saying that Tuck could definitly transition there. Would be big to have him there for passing downs as well. He has played enough 4-3 DT to where he'll be alrite.

I agree ILB would be an issue, but wouldn't that basically put us exactly in the same position we are now? I mean our LBers are all questionable. Boley is having a good year, Kiwi is having decent but we have NOBODY at MLB. Only difference is that finding ILBs are easier than MLBs and we are getting better use out of Kiwi and JPP...

I disagree, i think that in the 3 spots that are probably most important in the 3-4 both OLBs and NT, we'd be moving 3 players who will perform even better than where they are. JPP is a beast... let him roam like we started to do yesterday. Fewell has this tampa 2 where he likes dropping lineman, more than he should. JPP drops, he can cover - i'd love it
You're nuts, Osi would be the DeMarcus Ware of our team if we went 3-4

Tuck would last a game of getting totally abused then get injured, he cant take the abuse for a whole 60mins, maybe a few years ago, not any more

We have nobody at MLB cause our #1 and #2 guys are out for the season (have you already forgotten about Goff??)

JPP is a beast but I dont want him covering any more than he already has to in a 4-3 lineup. He's a force at the line but dont forget he's only been playing football for 5 years so he may not have the 'football IQ' needed for a LB

Morehead State

12-19-2011, 02:58 PM

so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
</P>

You wan't Joseph to play nose tackle?</P>

That may be asking too much from him, I don't think he has ever played that position. College or pro's. </P>

It's not that easy changing positions. </P>

I don't see 3-4 defense with the personal we have. </P>

Our best player on D, (JPP) should stay where he is at. As a 3-4 outside linebacker he will be asked to react to the offense instead of attacking. </P>

I can't see Boley playing the middle of a 3-4 either.</P>

This team needs linebackers in the worst way, not late round draft picks that may be great a few years down the road. We need guys who can step in and contribute. </P>

You want to put Tuck at defensive end at the 3-4? I don't think his body can take that much abuse. There sole job is to eat up blockers. Canty can do it for he did it in Dallas. </P>

</P>

If you want to play 3-4 thats fine. But we need to get a bunch of new players. Kiwi is a DE and doesn't have the hips to plat LB in a 3-4.</P>

hes playing a 4-3 OLB, def need more hips for that and hes doing a pretty decent job. I think he'd excel in the 3-4
Kiwi was especially amazing in Dallas last week. Not sure if he could fit the 3-4, but he's probably the best equipped to make the transition. Tuck is breaking down already and we're going to ask him to take more abuse? I don't know.

i don't really consider tuck breaking down

hes coming off of his best year as a Giant, hes just injured this year.

Only other time he had a subpar year is when he tore his labrum. He played ALOT of DT that year too.

If Osi was here, bet your *** he'd still be seeing alot of DT. Theres not as much "abuse" with a DE between the 3-4 and 4-3 as u guys think. Especially if that DE in the 4-3 slides to tackle alot
</P>

Tuck is injury prone every year. He was injury prone at ND. That's why he went in the third round. That was the draft that EA went after some high ceiling but risky players because we didn't have a first round pick. he picked Webby in the second who also had injury problems in school. He obviously was a great pick there.</P>

But we knew what we were getting with Tuck.</P>

we aren't talking about him being injury prone - if hes injury prone hes injury prone. Your really acting like playing defensive line in a 4-3 is patty cake, but for the 3-4 its a huge difference.

Since tuck has arrived as a player for us, hes been dominant. To suggest he is breaking down is a bit much.

And I remember that year we got Webby, he had a bad ankle sprain the year before that just took him out and dropped him out of first round status. It was him and Pacman for the best CBs in the draft that year
</P>

Matt...it was you who was making the argument last year that DE's in a 3-4 had to be a lot bigger than Tuck. You said they had to go over 300 these days. I can't imagine having JPP as a linebacker, it would be a waste of talent. I have no problem with a hybrid kind of D where we mix up 3-4 or 4-3. But Tuck and JPP would be wasting their talents in a pure 3-4.</P>

Our problems aren't about 3-4 vs. 4-3. They are about bad coaching and unmotivated players.</P>

Kase-1

12-19-2011, 02:59 PM

wasn't greg jones an ILB?
Im pretty sure he was a starting ILB in a 3-4 scheme, but big whoop, Goff was a starting MLB in a NFL 4-3 scheme and Herz was an all around 4-3 LB at BC

Goff is a FA
Yeaaaa, I just saw that.

I can see us offering 1 or 2 year deals to T2 and Goff to prove their health. But I havent seen anything from Jones that suggests he could be a starting LB

so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
</P>

You wan't Joseph to play nose tackle?</P>

That may be asking too much from him, I don't think he has ever played that position. College or pro's. </P>

It's not that easy changing positions. </P>

I don't see 3-4 defense with the personal we have. </P>

Our best player on D, (JPP) should stay where he is at. As a 3-4 outside linebacker he will be asked to react to the offense instead of attacking. </P>

I can't see Boley playing the middle of a 3-4 either.</P>

This team needs linebackers in the worst way, not late round draft picks that may be great a few years down the road. We need guys who can step in and contribute. </P>

You want to put Tuck at defensive end at the 3-4? I don't think his body can take that much abuse. There sole job is to eat up blockers. Canty can do it for he did it in Dallas. </P>

i dont think he has either but his strength, size, and mobility would be perfect for it. I remember I didn't know who he was when we drafted him and almost every scouting report was how well of a NT he could be.

How much does Demarcus Ware and Mario Williams really REACT though. I mean if anything under Fewell we've seen JPPs range in dropping back and moving around... i think it would be a natural transition. I think he'd flourish.

Boley would be the stretch - ILB could be an issue, but **** it, trade Osi for someone. Thats our chip.

Tuck slides to tackle alot anyway... Tuck has to be able to take that abuse, i mean lets be honest its not THAT much different than the role hes playing now. If thats the deciding factor in whether tuck lasts or not then we might as well start looking to replace him now.
1st off Osi would probably be our best 3-4 OLB, if we switched to 3-4 we should probably trade Tuck and maybe even Kiwi.

3-4 DE's are glorified space eaters, its possibly the least important position in the 3-4 D.

2nd we dont have anyone that would be a good 3-4 ILB other than maybe Greg Jones, but I dont think he would be a good starter. Boley isn't a good enough run stopper to be a starting ILB

So that means we'd have to trade Tuck for a NT or OLB, Switch Canty back to DE and I guess Linval as well. Trade Boley for a draft pick or a 3-4 ILB, and Trade Kiwi for an OLB or ILB

Too many moves for my liking, and the guys we keep arent playing their strengths

lol whaaaat! come on mang! First off, Osi is gone after thisyear. I can't see the Giants putting up with his ****. he would be HORRID as a 3-4. The guy can only pass rush and isn't physical at all. He doesn't play the run, no way Osi would be a good 3-4 guy.

I agree, but i'm just saying that Tuck could definitly transition there. Would be big to have him there for passing downs as well. He has played enough 4-3 DT to where he'll be alrite.

I agree ILB would be an issue, but wouldn't that basically put us exactly in the same position we are now? I mean our LBers are all questionable. Boley is having a good year, Kiwi is having decent but we have NOBODY at MLB. Only difference is that finding ILBs are easier than MLBs and we are getting better use out of Kiwi and JPP...

I disagree, i think that in the 3 spots that are probably most important in the 3-4 both OLBs and NT, we'd be moving 3 players who will perform even better than where they are. JPP is a beast... let him roam like we started to do yesterday. Fewell has this tampa 2 where he likes dropping lineman, more than he should. JPP drops, he can cover - i'd love it
You're nuts, Osi would be the DeMarcus Ware of our team if we went 3-4

Tuck would last a game of getting totally abused then get injured, he cant take the abuse for a whole 60mins, maybe a few years ago, not any more

We have nobody at MLB cause our #1 and #2 guys are out for the season (have you already forgotten about Goff??)

JPP is a beast but I dont want him covering any more than he already has to in a 4-3 lineup. He's a force at the line but dont forget he's only been playing football for 5 years so he may not have the 'football IQ' needed for a LB
</P>

Osi is a speed rushing DE...thats it.</P>

You guys are killing me here. If you want to go 3-4, we need to get a crapload of new players. Our players were drafted and/or signed to play a 4-3. Our corners were for the most part drafted to play a press defense. And we see what happens when you draft players for one purpose and then ask them to do something completely different.</P>

Don't worry, our new HC (Mike Zimmer) will figure it all out.</P>

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 03:02 PM

so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
</p>

You wan't Joseph to play nose tackle?</p>

That may be asking too much from him, I don't think he has ever played that position. College or pro's. </p>

It's not that easy changing positions. </p>

I don't see 3-4 defense with the personal we have. </p>

Our best player on D, (JPP) should stay where he is at. As a 3-4 outside linebacker he will be asked to react to the offense instead of attacking. </p>

I can't see Boley playing the middle of a 3-4 either.</p>

This team needs linebackers in the worst way, not late round draft picks that may be great a few years down the road. We need guys who can step in and contribute. </p>

You want to put Tuck at defensive end at the 3-4? I don't think his body can take that much abuse. There sole job is to eat up blockers. Canty can do it for he did it in Dallas. </p>

i dont think he has either but his strength, size, and mobility would be perfect for it. I remember I didn't know who he was when we drafted him and almost every scouting report was how well of a NT he could be.

How much does Demarcus Ware and Mario Williams really REACT though. I mean if anything under Fewell we've seen JPPs range in dropping back and moving around... i think it would be a natural transition. I think he'd flourish.

Boley would be the stretch - ILB could be an issue, but **** it, trade Osi for someone. Thats our chip.

Tuck slides to tackle alot anyway... Tuck has to be able to take that abuse, i mean lets be honest its not THAT much different than the role hes playing now. If thats the deciding factor in whether tuck lasts or not then we might as well start looking to replace him now.
1st off Osi would probably be our best 3-4 OLB, if we switched to 3-4 we should probably trade Tuck and maybe even Kiwi.

3-4 DE's are glorified space eaters, its possibly the least important position in the 3-4 D.

2nd we dont have anyone that would be a good 3-4 ILB other than maybe Greg Jones, but I dont think he would be a good starter. Boley isn't a good enough run stopper to be a starting ILB

So that means we'd have to trade Tuck for a NT or OLB, Switch Canty back to DE and I guess Linval as well. Trade Boley for a draft pick or a 3-4 ILB, and Trade Kiwi for an OLB or ILB

Too many moves for my liking, and the guys we keep arent playing their strengths

lol whaaaat! come on mang! First off, Osi is gone after thisyear. I can't see the Giants putting up with his ****. he would be HORRID as a 3-4. The guy can only pass rush and isn't physical at all. He doesn't play the run, no way Osi would be a good 3-4 guy.

I agree, but i'm just saying that Tuck could definitly transition there. Would be big to have him there for passing downs as well. He has played enough 4-3 DT to where he'll be alrite.

I agree ILB would be an issue, but wouldn't that basically put us exactly in the same position we are now? I mean our LBers are all questionable. Boley is having a good year, Kiwi is having decent but we have NOBODY at MLB. Only difference is that finding ILBs are easier than MLBs and we are getting better use out of Kiwi and JPP...

I disagree, i think that in the 3 spots that are probably most important in the 3-4 both OLBs and NT, we'd be moving 3 players who will perform even better than where they are. JPP is a beast... let him roam like we started to do yesterday. Fewell has this tampa 2 where he likes dropping lineman, more than he should. JPP drops, he can cover - i'd love it
You're nuts, Osi would be the DeMarcus Ware of our team if we went 3-4

Tuck would last a game of getting totally abused then get injured, he cant take the abuse for a whole 60mins, maybe a few years ago, not any more

We have nobody at MLB cause our #1 and #2 guys are out for the season (have you already forgotten about Goff??)

JPP is a beast but I dont want him covering any more than he already has to in a 4-3 lineup. He's a force at the line but dont forget he's only been playing football for 5 years so he may not have the 'football IQ' needed for a LB

i can't believe you actually believe OSI would be our demarcus ware. He may be the softest guy on the team - i'd take Tynes toughness over him

Kase-1

12-19-2011, 03:07 PM

so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
</p>

You wan't Joseph to play nose tackle?</p>

That may be asking too much from him, I don't think he has ever played that position. College or pro's. </p>

It's not that easy changing positions. </p>

I don't see 3-4 defense with the personal we have. </p>

Our best player on D, (JPP) should stay where he is at. As a 3-4 outside linebacker he will be asked to react to the offense instead of attacking. </p>

I can't see Boley playing the middle of a 3-4 either.</p>

This team needs linebackers in the worst way, not late round draft picks that may be great a few years down the road. We need guys who can step in and contribute. </p>

You want to put Tuck at defensive end at the 3-4? I don't think his body can take that much abuse. There sole job is to eat up blockers. Canty can do it for he did it in Dallas. </p>

i dont think he has either but his strength, size, and mobility would be perfect for it. I remember I didn't know who he was when we drafted him and almost every scouting report was how well of a NT he could be.

How much does Demarcus Ware and Mario Williams really REACT though. I mean if anything under Fewell we've seen JPPs range in dropping back and moving around... i think it would be a natural transition. I think he'd flourish.

Boley would be the stretch - ILB could be an issue, but **** it, trade Osi for someone. Thats our chip.

Tuck slides to tackle alot anyway... Tuck has to be able to take that abuse, i mean lets be honest its not THAT much different than the role hes playing now. If thats the deciding factor in whether tuck lasts or not then we might as well start looking to replace him now.
1st off Osi would probably be our best 3-4 OLB, if we switched to 3-4 we should probably trade Tuck and maybe even Kiwi.

3-4 DE's are glorified space eaters, its possibly the least important position in the 3-4 D.

2nd we dont have anyone that would be a good 3-4 ILB other than maybe Greg Jones, but I dont think he would be a good starter. Boley isn't a good enough run stopper to be a starting ILB

So that means we'd have to trade Tuck for a NT or OLB, Switch Canty back to DE and I guess Linval as well. Trade Boley for a draft pick or a 3-4 ILB, and Trade Kiwi for an OLB or ILB

Too many moves for my liking, and the guys we keep arent playing their strengths

lol whaaaat! come on mang! First off, Osi is gone after thisyear. I can't see the Giants putting up with his ****. he would be HORRID as a 3-4. The guy can only pass rush and isn't physical at all. He doesn't play the run, no way Osi would be a good 3-4 guy.

I agree, but i'm just saying that Tuck could definitly transition there. Would be big to have him there for passing downs as well. He has played enough 4-3 DT to where he'll be alrite.

I agree ILB would be an issue, but wouldn't that basically put us exactly in the same position we are now? I mean our LBers are all questionable. Boley is having a good year, Kiwi is having decent but we have NOBODY at MLB. Only difference is that finding ILBs are easier than MLBs and we are getting better use out of Kiwi and JPP...

I disagree, i think that in the 3 spots that are probably most important in the 3-4 both OLBs and NT, we'd be moving 3 players who will perform even better than where they are. JPP is a beast... let him roam like we started to do yesterday. Fewell has this tampa 2 where he likes dropping lineman, more than he should. JPP drops, he can cover - i'd love it
You're nuts, Osi would be the DeMarcus Ware of our team if we went 3-4

Tuck would last a game of getting totally abused then get injured, he cant take the abuse for a whole 60mins, maybe a few years ago, not any more

We have nobody at MLB cause our #1 and #2 guys are out for the season (have you already forgotten about Goff??)

JPP is a beast but I dont want him covering any more than he already has to in a 4-3 lineup. He's a force at the line but dont forget he's only been playing football for 5 years so he may not have the 'football IQ' needed for a LB
</p>

Osi is a speed rushing DE...thats it.</p>

You guys are killing me here. If you want to go 3-4, we need to get a crapload of new players. Our players were drafted and/or signed to play a 4-3. Our corners were for the most part drafted to play a press defense. And we see what happens when you draft players for one purpose and then ask them to do something completely different.</p>

Don't worry, our new HC (Mike Zimmer) will figure it all out.</p>Im AGAINST the 3-4 idea, I think Matt is the only one in here thats for the idea

I was saying we're 2 players away from a dominant 4-3 defense, and dont get me started on press coverage, Ive been preaching that forever!!!!

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 03:08 PM

so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
</p>

You wan't Joseph to play nose tackle?</p>

That may be asking too much from him, I don't think he has ever played that position. College or pro's. </p>

It's not that easy changing positions. </p>

I don't see 3-4 defense with the personal we have. </p>

Our best player on D, (JPP) should stay where he is at. As a 3-4 outside linebacker he will be asked to react to the offense instead of attacking. </p>

I can't see Boley playing the middle of a 3-4 either.</p>

This team needs linebackers in the worst way, not late round draft picks that may be great a few years down the road. We need guys who can step in and contribute. </p>

You want to put Tuck at defensive end at the 3-4? I don't think his body can take that much abuse. There sole job is to eat up blockers. Canty can do it for he did it in Dallas. </p>

</p>

If you want to play 3-4 thats fine. But we need to get a bunch of new players. Kiwi is a DE and doesn't have the hips to plat LB in a 3-4.</p>

hes playing a 4-3 OLB, def need more hips for that and hes doing a pretty decent job. I think he'd excel in the 3-4
Kiwi was especially amazing in Dallas last week. Not sure if he could fit the 3-4, but he's probably the best equipped to make the transition. Tuck is breaking down already and we're going to ask him to take more abuse? I don't know.

i don't really consider tuck breaking down

hes coming off of his best year as a Giant, hes just injured this year.

Only other time he had a subpar year is when he tore his labrum. He played ALOT of DT that year too.

If Osi was here, bet your *** he'd still be seeing alot of DT. Theres not as much "abuse" with a DE between the 3-4 and 4-3 as u guys think. Especially if that DE in the 4-3 slides to tackle alot
</p>

Tuck is injury prone every year. He was injury prone at ND. That's why he went in the third round. That was the draft that EA went after some high ceiling but risky players because we didn't have a first round pick. he picked Webby in the second who also had injury problems in school. He obviously was a great pick there.</p>

But we knew what we were getting with Tuck.</p>

we aren't talking about him being injury prone - if hes injury prone hes injury prone. Your really acting like playing defensive line in a 4-3 is patty cake, but for the 3-4 its a huge difference.

Since tuck has arrived as a player for us, hes been dominant. To suggest he is breaking down is a bit much.

And I remember that year we got Webby, he had a bad ankle sprain the year before that just took him out and dropped him out of first round status. It was him and Pacman for the best CBs in the draft that year
</p>

Matt...it was you who was making the argument last year that DE's in a 3-4 had to be a lot bigger than Tuck. You said they had to go over 300 these days. I can't imagine having JPP as a linebacker, it would be a waste of talent. I have no problem with a hybrid kind of D where we mix up 3-4 or 4-3. But Tuck and JPP would be wasting their talents in a pure 3-4.</p>

Our problems aren't about 3-4 vs. 4-3. They are about bad coaching and unmotivated players.</p>

i think ur nuts to suggest JPP would be a waste in a 3-4... Tuck i can understand the argument but I was kind of proven wrong about the size of alot of DEs. That 300-pound monster at DE isn't really the truth. There are ALOT of 280 point 3-4 DEs in the league.

I think JPP in the 3-4 would be insane, especially if you could plant tuck in front of him

Morehead State

12-19-2011, 03:08 PM

so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
</P>

You wan't Joseph to play nose tackle?</P>

That may be asking too much from him, I don't think he has ever played that position. College or pro's. </P>

It's not that easy changing positions. </P>

I don't see 3-4 defense with the personal we have. </P>

Our best player on D, (JPP) should stay where he is at. As a 3-4 outside linebacker he will be asked to react to the offense instead of attacking. </P>

I can't see Boley playing the middle of a 3-4 either.</P>

This team needs linebackers in the worst way, not late round draft picks that may be great a few years down the road. We need guys who can step in and contribute. </P>

You want to put Tuck at defensive end at the 3-4? I don't think his body can take that much abuse. There sole job is to eat up blockers. Canty can do it for he did it in Dallas. </P>

i dont think he has either but his strength, size, and mobility would be perfect for it. I remember I didn't know who he was when we drafted him and almost every scouting report was how well of a NT he could be.

How much does Demarcus Ware and Mario Williams really REACT though. I mean if anything under Fewell we've seen JPPs range in dropping back and moving around... i think it would be a natural transition. I think he'd flourish.

Boley would be the stretch - ILB could be an issue, but **** it, trade Osi for someone. Thats our chip.

Tuck slides to tackle alot anyway... Tuck has to be able to take that abuse, i mean lets be honest its not THAT much different than the role hes playing now. If thats the deciding factor in whether tuck lasts or not then we might as well start looking to replace him now.
1st off Osi would probably be our best 3-4 OLB, if we switched to 3-4 we should probably trade Tuck and maybe even Kiwi.

3-4 DE's are glorified space eaters, its possibly the least important position in the 3-4 D.

2nd we dont have anyone that would be a good 3-4 ILB other than maybe Greg Jones, but I dont think he would be a good starter. Boley isn't a good enough run stopper to be a starting ILB

So that means we'd have to trade Tuck for a NT or OLB, Switch Canty back to DE and I guess Linval as well. Trade Boley for a draft pick or a 3-4 ILB, and Trade Kiwi for an OLB or ILB

Too many moves for my liking, and the guys we keep arent playing their strengths

lol whaaaat! come on mang! First off, Osi is gone after thisyear. I can't see the Giants putting up with his ****. he would be HORRID as a 3-4. The guy can only pass rush and isn't physical at all. He doesn't play the run, no way Osi would be a good 3-4 guy.

I agree, but i'm just saying that Tuck could definitly transition there. Would be big to have him there for passing downs as well. He has played enough 4-3 DT to where he'll be alrite.

I agree ILB would be an issue, but wouldn't that basically put us exactly in the same position we are now? I mean our LBers are all questionable. Boley is having a good year, Kiwi is having decent but we have NOBODY at MLB. Only difference is that finding ILBs are easier than MLBs and we are getting better use out of Kiwi and JPP...

I disagree, i think that in the 3 spots that are probably most important in the 3-4 both OLBs and NT, we'd be moving 3 players who will perform even better than where they are. JPP is a beast... let him roam like we started to do yesterday. Fewell has this tampa 2 where he likes dropping lineman, more than he should. JPP drops, he can cover - i'd love it
You're nuts, Osi would be the DeMarcus Ware of our team if we went 3-4

Tuck would last a game of getting totally abused then get injured, he cant take the abuse for a whole 60mins, maybe a few years ago, not any more

We have nobody at MLB cause our #1 and #2 guys are out for the season (have you already forgotten about Goff??)

JPP is a beast but I dont want him covering any more than he already has to in a 4-3 lineup. He's a force at the line but dont forget he's only been playing football for 5 years so he may not have the 'football IQ' needed for a LB

i can't believe you actually believe OSI would be our demarcus ware. He may be the softest guy on the team - i'd take Tynes toughness over him
</P>

If we went to a 3-4, Osi would not be a Giant. JPP might possibly have a shot because he is a freak of am athlete. He might be able to cover some downfield. Would Marvin Austin be a suitable none tackle? Don't know.</P>

Againe, generally, we'd have to get some new players.</P>

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 03:09 PM

wasn't greg jones an ILB?
Im pretty sure he was a starting ILB in a 3-4 scheme, but big whoop, Goff was a starting MLB in a NFL 4-3 scheme and Herz was an all around 4-3 LB at BC

Goff is a FA
Yeaaaa, I just saw that.

I can see us offering 1 or 2 year deals to T2 and Goff to prove their health. But I havent seen anything from Jones that suggests he could be a starting LB

inside track - T2 is outpricing himself for the Giants already... asking for too much

maybe its because hes more of an ILB than a MLB. I mean there is something to that. Not EVERY player's skill sit can transition with MLBs and ILBs

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 03:12 PM

so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
</p>

You wan't Joseph to play nose tackle?</p>

That may be asking too much from him, I don't think he has ever played that position. College or pro's. </p>

It's not that easy changing positions. </p>

I don't see 3-4 defense with the personal we have. </p>

Our best player on D, (JPP) should stay where he is at. As a 3-4 outside linebacker he will be asked to react to the offense instead of attacking. </p>

I can't see Boley playing the middle of a 3-4 either.</p>

This team needs linebackers in the worst way, not late round draft picks that may be great a few years down the road. We need guys who can step in and contribute. </p>

You want to put Tuck at defensive end at the 3-4? I don't think his body can take that much abuse. There sole job is to eat up blockers. Canty can do it for he did it in Dallas. </p>

i dont think he has either but his strength, size, and mobility would be perfect for it. I remember I didn't know who he was when we drafted him and almost every scouting report was how well of a NT he could be.

How much does Demarcus Ware and Mario Williams really REACT though. I mean if anything under Fewell we've seen JPPs range in dropping back and moving around... i think it would be a natural transition. I think he'd flourish.

Boley would be the stretch - ILB could be an issue, but **** it, trade Osi for someone. Thats our chip.

Tuck slides to tackle alot anyway... Tuck has to be able to take that abuse, i mean lets be honest its not THAT much different than the role hes playing now. If thats the deciding factor in whether tuck lasts or not then we might as well start looking to replace him now.
1st off Osi would probably be our best 3-4 OLB, if we switched to 3-4 we should probably trade Tuck and maybe even Kiwi.

3-4 DE's are glorified space eaters, its possibly the least important position in the 3-4 D.

2nd we dont have anyone that would be a good 3-4 ILB other than maybe Greg Jones, but I dont think he would be a good starter. Boley isn't a good enough run stopper to be a starting ILB

So that means we'd have to trade Tuck for a NT or OLB, Switch Canty back to DE and I guess Linval as well. Trade Boley for a draft pick or a 3-4 ILB, and Trade Kiwi for an OLB or ILB

Too many moves for my liking, and the guys we keep arent playing their strengths

lol whaaaat! come on mang! First off, Osi is gone after thisyear. I can't see the Giants putting up with his ****. he would be HORRID as a 3-4. The guy can only pass rush and isn't physical at all. He doesn't play the run, no way Osi would be a good 3-4 guy.

I agree, but i'm just saying that Tuck could definitly transition there. Would be big to have him there for passing downs as well. He has played enough 4-3 DT to where he'll be alrite.

I agree ILB would be an issue, but wouldn't that basically put us exactly in the same position we are now? I mean our LBers are all questionable. Boley is having a good year, Kiwi is having decent but we have NOBODY at MLB. Only difference is that finding ILBs are easier than MLBs and we are getting better use out of Kiwi and JPP...

I disagree, i think that in the 3 spots that are probably most important in the 3-4 both OLBs and NT, we'd be moving 3 players who will perform even better than where they are. JPP is a beast... let him roam like we started to do yesterday. Fewell has this tampa 2 where he likes dropping lineman, more than he should. JPP drops, he can cover - i'd love it
You're nuts, Osi would be the DeMarcus Ware of our team if we went 3-4

Tuck would last a game of getting totally abused then get injured, he cant take the abuse for a whole 60mins, maybe a few years ago, not any more

We have nobody at MLB cause our #1 and #2 guys are out for the season (have you already forgotten about Goff??)

JPP is a beast but I dont want him covering any more than he already has to in a 4-3 lineup. He's a force at the line but dont forget he's only been playing football for 5 years so he may not have the 'football IQ' needed for a LB
</p>

Osi is a speed rushing DE...thats it.</p>

You guys are killing me here. If you want to go 3-4, we need to get a crapload of new players. Our players were drafted and/or signed to play a 4-3. Our corners were for the most part drafted to play a press defense. And we see what happens when you draft players for one purpose and then ask them to do something completely different.</p>

Don't worry, our new HC (Mike Zimmer) will figure it all out.</p>Im AGAINST the 3-4 idea, I think Matt is the only one in here thats for the idea

I was saying we're 2 players away from a dominant 4-3 defense, and dont get me started on press coverage, Ive been preaching that forever!!!!

i think we'd be the same amount away fomr a dominant 3-4 and utilizing kiwi, jpp, and Joseph more.

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 03:17 PM

so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
</p>

You wan't Joseph to play nose tackle?</p>

That may be asking too much from him, I don't think he has ever played that position. College or pro's. </p>

It's not that easy changing positions. </p>

I don't see 3-4 defense with the personal we have. </p>

Our best player on D, (JPP) should stay where he is at. As a 3-4 outside linebacker he will be asked to react to the offense instead of attacking. </p>

I can't see Boley playing the middle of a 3-4 either.</p>

This team needs linebackers in the worst way, not late round draft picks that may be great a few years down the road. We need guys who can step in and contribute. </p>

You want to put Tuck at defensive end at the 3-4? I don't think his body can take that much abuse. There sole job is to eat up blockers. Canty can do it for he did it in Dallas. </p>

i dont think he has either but his strength, size, and mobility would be perfect for it. I remember I didn't know who he was when we drafted him and almost every scouting report was how well of a NT he could be.

How much does Demarcus Ware and Mario Williams really REACT though. I mean if anything under Fewell we've seen JPPs range in dropping back and moving around... i think it would be a natural transition. I think he'd flourish.

Boley would be the stretch - ILB could be an issue, but **** it, trade Osi for someone. Thats our chip.

Tuck slides to tackle alot anyway... Tuck has to be able to take that abuse, i mean lets be honest its not THAT much different than the role hes playing now. If thats the deciding factor in whether tuck lasts or not then we might as well start looking to replace him now.
1st off Osi would probably be our best 3-4 OLB, if we switched to 3-4 we should probably trade Tuck and maybe even Kiwi.

3-4 DE's are glorified space eaters, its possibly the least important position in the 3-4 D.

2nd we dont have anyone that would be a good 3-4 ILB other than maybe Greg Jones, but I dont think he would be a good starter. Boley isn't a good enough run stopper to be a starting ILB

So that means we'd have to trade Tuck for a NT or OLB, Switch Canty back to DE and I guess Linval as well. Trade Boley for a draft pick or a 3-4 ILB, and Trade Kiwi for an OLB or ILB

Too many moves for my liking, and the guys we keep arent playing their strengths

lol whaaaat! come on mang! First off, Osi is gone after thisyear. I can't see the Giants putting up with his ****. he would be HORRID as a 3-4. The guy can only pass rush and isn't physical at all. He doesn't play the run, no way Osi would be a good 3-4 guy.

I agree, but i'm just saying that Tuck could definitly transition there. Would be big to have him there for passing downs as well. He has played enough 4-3 DT to where he'll be alrite.

I agree ILB would be an issue, but wouldn't that basically put us exactly in the same position we are now? I mean our LBers are all questionable. Boley is having a good year, Kiwi is having decent but we have NOBODY at MLB. Only difference is that finding ILBs are easier than MLBs and we are getting better use out of Kiwi and JPP...

I disagree, i think that in the 3 spots that are probably most important in the 3-4 both OLBs and NT, we'd be moving 3 players who will perform even better than where they are. JPP is a beast... let him roam like we started to do yesterday. Fewell has this tampa 2 where he likes dropping lineman, more than he should. JPP drops, he can cover - i'd love it
You're nuts, Osi would be the DeMarcus Ware of our team if we went 3-4

Tuck would last a game of getting totally abused then get injured, he cant take the abuse for a whole 60mins, maybe a few years ago, not any more

We have nobody at MLB cause our #1 and #2 guys are out for the season (have you already forgotten about Goff??)

JPP is a beast but I dont want him covering any more than he already has to in a 4-3 lineup. He's a force at the line but dont forget he's only been playing football for 5 years so he may not have the 'football IQ' needed for a LB

i can't believe you actually believe OSI would be our demarcus ware. He may be the softest guy on the team - i'd take Tynes toughness over him
</p>

If we went to a 3-4, Osi would not be a Giant. JPP might possibly have a shot because he is a freak of am athlete. He might be able to cover some downfield. Would Marvin Austin be a suitable none tackle? Don't know.</p>

Againe, generally, we'd have to get some new players.</p>

haha i thin kwe need to do that anyway

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 03:19 PM

so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
</p>

You wan't Joseph to play nose tackle?</p>

That may be asking too much from him, I don't think he has ever played that position. College or pro's. </p>

It's not that easy changing positions. </p>

I don't see 3-4 defense with the personal we have. </p>

Our best player on D, (JPP) should stay where he is at. As a 3-4 outside linebacker he will be asked to react to the offense instead of attacking. </p>

I can't see Boley playing the middle of a 3-4 either.</p>

This team needs linebackers in the worst way, not late round draft picks that may be great a few years down the road. We need guys who can step in and contribute. </p>

You want to put Tuck at defensive end at the 3-4? I don't think his body can take that much abuse. There sole job is to eat up blockers. Canty can do it for he did it in Dallas. </p>

i dont think he has either but his strength, size, and mobility would be perfect for it. I remember I didn't know who he was when we drafted him and almost every scouting report was how well of a NT he could be.

How much does Demarcus Ware and Mario Williams really REACT though. I mean if anything under Fewell we've seen JPPs range in dropping back and moving around... i think it would be a natural transition. I think he'd flourish.

Boley would be the stretch - ILB could be an issue, but **** it, trade Osi for someone. Thats our chip.

Tuck slides to tackle alot anyway... Tuck has to be able to take that abuse, i mean lets be honest its not THAT much different than the role hes playing now. If thats the deciding factor in whether tuck lasts or not then we might as well start looking to replace him now.
1st off Osi would probably be our best 3-4 OLB, if we switched to 3-4 we should probably trade Tuck and maybe even Kiwi.

3-4 DE's are glorified space eaters, its possibly the least important position in the 3-4 D.

2nd we dont have anyone that would be a good 3-4 ILB other than maybe Greg Jones, but I dont think he would be a good starter. Boley isn't a good enough run stopper to be a starting ILB

So that means we'd have to trade Tuck for a NT or OLB, Switch Canty back to DE and I guess Linval as well. Trade Boley for a draft pick or a 3-4 ILB, and Trade Kiwi for an OLB or ILB

Too many moves for my liking, and the guys we keep arent playing their strengths

lol whaaaat! come on mang! First off, Osi is gone after thisyear. I can't see the Giants putting up with his ****. he would be HORRID as a 3-4. The guy can only pass rush and isn't physical at all. He doesn't play the run, no way Osi would be a good 3-4 guy.

I agree, but i'm just saying that Tuck could definitly transition there. Would be big to have him there for passing downs as well. He has played enough 4-3 DT to where he'll be alrite.

I agree ILB would be an issue, but wouldn't that basically put us exactly in the same position we are now? I mean our LBers are all questionable. Boley is having a good year, Kiwi is having decent but we have NOBODY at MLB. Only difference is that finding ILBs are easier than MLBs and we are getting better use out of Kiwi and JPP...

I disagree, i think that in the 3 spots that are probably most important in the 3-4 both OLBs and NT, we'd be moving 3 players who will perform even better than where they are. JPP is a beast... let him roam like we started to do yesterday. Fewell has this tampa 2 where he likes dropping lineman, more than he should. JPP drops, he can cover - i'd love it
You're nuts, Osi would be the DeMarcus Ware of our team if we went 3-4

Tuck would last a game of getting totally abused then get injured, he cant take the abuse for a whole 60mins, maybe a few years ago, not any more

We have nobody at MLB cause our #1 and #2 guys are out for the season (have you already forgotten about Goff??)

JPP is a beast but I dont want him covering any more than he already has to in a 4-3 lineup. He's a force at the line but dont forget he's only been playing football for 5 years so he may not have the 'football IQ' needed for a LB
</p>

Osi is a speed rushing DE...thats it.</p>

You guys are killing me here. If you want to go 3-4, we need to get a crapload of new players. Our players were drafted and/or signed to play a 4-3. Our corners were for the most part drafted to play a press defense. And we see what happens when you draft players for one purpose and then ask them to do something completely different.</p>

Don't worry, our new HC (Mike Zimmer) will figure it all out.</p>

dont make that comparison - cuz its an awful one

players can transition all the time back and forth between the 3-4 and 4-3

zone and man guys are just that - theres no leeway

Morehead State

12-19-2011, 03:28 PM

so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
</P>

You wan't Joseph to play nose tackle?</P>

That may be asking too much from him, I don't think he has ever played that position. College or pro's. </P>

It's not that easy changing positions. </P>

I don't see 3-4 defense with the personal we have. </P>

Our best player on D, (JPP) should stay where he is at. As a 3-4 outside linebacker he will be asked to react to the offense instead of attacking. </P>

I can't see Boley playing the middle of a 3-4 either.</P>

This team needs linebackers in the worst way, not late round draft picks that may be great a few years down the road. We need guys who can step in and contribute. </P>

You want to put Tuck at defensive end at the 3-4? I don't think his body can take that much abuse. There sole job is to eat up blockers. Canty can do it for he did it in Dallas. </P>

i dont think he has either but his strength, size, and mobility would be perfect for it. I remember I didn't know who he was when we drafted him and almost every scouting report was how well of a NT he could be.

How much does Demarcus Ware and Mario Williams really REACT though. I mean if anything under Fewell we've seen JPPs range in dropping back and moving around... i think it would be a natural transition. I think he'd flourish.

Boley would be the stretch - ILB could be an issue, but **** it, trade Osi for someone. Thats our chip.

Tuck slides to tackle alot anyway... Tuck has to be able to take that abuse, i mean lets be honest its not THAT much different than the role hes playing now. If thats the deciding factor in whether tuck lasts or not then we might as well start looking to replace him now.
1st off Osi would probably be our best 3-4 OLB, if we switched to 3-4 we should probably trade Tuck and maybe even Kiwi.

3-4 DE's are glorified space eaters, its possibly the least important position in the 3-4 D.

2nd we dont have anyone that would be a good 3-4 ILB other than maybe Greg Jones, but I dont think he would be a good starter. Boley isn't a good enough run stopper to be a starting ILB

So that means we'd have to trade Tuck for a NT or OLB, Switch Canty back to DE and I guess Linval as well. Trade Boley for a draft pick or a 3-4 ILB, and Trade Kiwi for an OLB or ILB

Too many moves for my liking, and the guys we keep arent playing their strengths

lol whaaaat! come on mang! First off, Osi is gone after thisyear. I can't see the Giants putting up with his ****. he would be HORRID as a 3-4. The guy can only pass rush and isn't physical at all. He doesn't play the run, no way Osi would be a good 3-4 guy.

I agree, but i'm just saying that Tuck could definitly transition there. Would be big to have him there for passing downs as well. He has played enough 4-3 DT to where he'll be alrite.

I agree ILB would be an issue, but wouldn't that basically put us exactly in the same position we are now? I mean our LBers are all questionable. Boley is having a good year, Kiwi is having decent but we have NOBODY at MLB. Only difference is that finding ILBs are easier than MLBs and we are getting better use out of Kiwi and JPP...

I disagree, i think that in the 3 spots that are probably most important in the 3-4 both OLBs and NT, we'd be moving 3 players who will perform even better than where they are. JPP is a beast... let him roam like we started to do yesterday. Fewell has this tampa 2 where he likes dropping lineman, more than he should. JPP drops, he can cover - i'd love it
You're nuts, Osi would be the DeMarcus Ware of our team if we went 3-4

Tuck would last a game of getting totally abused then get injured, he cant take the abuse for a whole 60mins, maybe a few years ago, not any more

We have nobody at MLB cause our #1 and #2 guys are out for the season (have you already forgotten about Goff??)

JPP is a beast but I dont want him covering any more than he already has to in a 4-3 lineup. He's a force at the line but dont forget he's only been playing football for 5 years so he may not have the 'football IQ' needed for a LB
</P>

Osi is a speed rushing DE...thats it.</P>

You guys are killing me here. If you want to go 3-4, we need to get a crapload of new players. Our players were drafted and/or signed to play a 4-3. Our corners were for the most part drafted to play a press defense. And we see what happens when you draft players for one purpose and then ask them to do something completely different.</P>

Don't worry, our new HC (Mike Zimmer) will figure it all out.</P>

dont make that comparison - cuz its an awful one

players can transition all the time back and forth between the 3-4 and 4-3

zone and man guys are just that - theres no leeway
</P>

We don't have the correct players Matt. Tuck would have no place on that defense. Osi would have no place. I can see Canty as a DE in a 3-4 but just about everybody else in the front 7 would have problems.</P>

Just get our guys to play better. THATS the problem. This regime has shown time after time that it can't do that.</P>

bigblue4417

12-19-2011, 03:34 PM

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Panthers (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/car/carolina-panthers)
offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski has shown he's not afraid to dig
deep into his playbook, even if it means borrowing a trick play from a
kids' movie.</p>

With quarterback Cam Newton (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13994/cam-newton)
under center, Chudzinski is finding new ways to use the talented
rookie's athleticism to his advantage. The latest move was borrowing a
hidden-ball trick called "the annexation of Puerto Rico" from the movie
"The Little Giants" to help the Panthers beat the Texans 28-13.</p>

Morehead State

12-19-2011, 03:36 PM

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Panthers (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/car/carolina-panthers) offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski has shown he's not afraid to dig deep into his playbook, even if it means borrowing a trick play from a kids' movie.</P>

With quarterback Cam Newton (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13994/cam-newton) under center, Chudzinski is finding new ways to use the talented rookie's athleticism to his advantage. The latest move was borrowing a hidden-ball trick called "the annexation of Puerto Rico" from the movie "The Little Giants" to help the Panthers beat the Texans 28-13.</P>

So far the only ones I found under 290 are Brett 'Da Beard' Kiesel and JJ Watt, every other 3-4 DE is over 300lb

dezzzR

12-19-2011, 03:40 PM

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Panthers (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/car/carolina-panthers)
offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski has shown he's not afraid to dig
deep into his playbook, even if it means borrowing a trick play from a
kids' movie.</p>

With quarterback Cam Newton (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13994/cam-newton)
under center, Chudzinski is finding new ways to use the talented
rookie's athleticism to his advantage. The latest move was borrowing a
hidden-ball trick called "the annexation of Puerto Rico" from the movie
"The Little Giants" to help the Panthers beat the Texans 28-13.</p>lol
http://ilovelovee.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/lil-giants.jpg
intimidation!

Morehead State

12-19-2011, 03:42 PM

There are ALOT of 280 point 3-4 DEs in the league.

So far the only ones I found under 290 are Brett 'Da Beard' Kiesel and JJ Watt, every other 3-4 DE is over 300lb
</P>

Just so you know Kase. In the off season Matt was making the argument that you needed to be over 300 LBS. to play DE in a 3-4. Now he's taking the opposite position.</P>

Kase-1

12-19-2011, 03:47 PM

There are ALOT of 280 point 3-4 DEs in the league.

So far the only ones I found under 290 are Brett 'Da Beard' Kiesel and JJ Watt, every other 3-4 DE is over 300lb
</p>

Just so you know Kase. In the off season Matt was making the argument that you needed to be over 300 LBS. to play DE in a 3-4. Now he's taking the opposite position.</p>My research showed me that the NFL (with a rare exception) believes the exact same, which is why there are only 2 starting 3-4 DT's under 300lbs

bigblue4417

12-19-2011, 03:47 PM

<div class="report">

Andrei Kirilenko is reportedly leaving CSKA
Moscow to sign a multi-year contract with the Nets, though his agent
denies there have been any negotiations.</p>
</div>

It seems it is "only a matter of time" before
Kirilenko and the Nets reach an agreement. He would easily start at SF
ahead of Stephen Graham and Ime Udoka

Morehead State

12-19-2011, 03:52 PM

There are ALOT of 280 point 3-4 DEs in the league.

So far the only ones I found under 290 are Brett 'Da Beard' Kiesel and JJ Watt, every other 3-4 DE is over 300lb
</P>

Just so you know Kase. In the off season Matt was making the argument that you needed to be over 300 LBS. to play DE in a 3-4. Now he's taking the opposite position.</P>

My research showed me that the NFL (with a rare exception) believes the exact same, which is why there are only 2 starting 3-4 DT's under 300lbs
</P>

So Matt was right.................before he was wrong.</P>

Interesting!</P>

Morehead State

12-19-2011, 03:53 PM

<DIV class=report>

Andrei Kirilenko is reportedly leaving CSKA Moscow to sign a multi-year contract with the Nets, though his agent denies there have been any negotiations.</P></DIV>

It seems it is "only a matter of time" before Kirilenko and the Nets reach an agreement. He would easily start at SF ahead of Stephen Graham and Ime Udoka</P>

Where are you? In the waiting room?</P>

dezzzR

12-19-2011, 03:53 PM

There are ALOT of 280 point 3-4 DEs in the league.

So far the only ones I found under 290 are Brett 'Da Beard' Kiesel and JJ Watt, every other 3-4 DE is over 300lb
</p>

Just so you know Kase. In the off season Matt was making the argument that you needed to be over 300 LBS. to play DE in a 3-4. Now he's taking the opposite position.</p> i remember that.

bigblue4417

12-19-2011, 03:55 PM

What I don't understand is why are we running the ball down 17 or 20 late in the game?

dezzzR

12-19-2011, 03:56 PM

<div class="report">

Andrei Kirilenko is reportedly leaving CSKA
Moscow to sign a multi-year contract with the Nets, though his agent
denies there have been any negotiations.</p>
</div>

It seems it is "only a matter of time" before
Kirilenko and the Nets reach an agreement. He would easily start at SF
ahead of Stephen Graham and Ime Udokawhats with that guy running for president of russia. lol i saw a picture with him sitting down at a table and putin was behind him, just staring at him. got to give that guy credit, the balls he must have to even think of messing with putin.

dezzzR

12-19-2011, 03:57 PM

What I don't understand is why are we running the ball down 17 or 20 late in the game?
and why bradshaw runs for +10 on the first play and then we never see him again.

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 04:00 PM

so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
</p>

You wan't Joseph to play nose tackle?</p>

That may be asking too much from him, I don't think he has ever played that position. College or pro's. </p>

It's not that easy changing positions. </p>

I don't see 3-4 defense with the personal we have. </p>

Our best player on D, (JPP) should stay where he is at. As a 3-4 outside linebacker he will be asked to react to the offense instead of attacking. </p>

I can't see Boley playing the middle of a 3-4 either.</p>

This team needs linebackers in the worst way, not late round draft picks that may be great a few years down the road. We need guys who can step in and contribute. </p>

You want to put Tuck at defensive end at the 3-4? I don't think his body can take that much abuse. There sole job is to eat up blockers. Canty can do it for he did it in Dallas. </p>

i dont think he has either but his strength, size, and mobility would be perfect for it. I remember I didn't know who he was when we drafted him and almost every scouting report was how well of a NT he could be.

How much does Demarcus Ware and Mario Williams really REACT though. I mean if anything under Fewell we've seen JPPs range in dropping back and moving around... i think it would be a natural transition. I think he'd flourish.

Boley would be the stretch - ILB could be an issue, but **** it, trade Osi for someone. Thats our chip.

Tuck slides to tackle alot anyway... Tuck has to be able to take that abuse, i mean lets be honest its not THAT much different than the role hes playing now. If thats the deciding factor in whether tuck lasts or not then we might as well start looking to replace him now.
1st off Osi would probably be our best 3-4 OLB, if we switched to 3-4 we should probably trade Tuck and maybe even Kiwi.

3-4 DE's are glorified space eaters, its possibly the least important position in the 3-4 D.

2nd we dont have anyone that would be a good 3-4 ILB other than maybe Greg Jones, but I dont think he would be a good starter. Boley isn't a good enough run stopper to be a starting ILB

So that means we'd have to trade Tuck for a NT or OLB, Switch Canty back to DE and I guess Linval as well. Trade Boley for a draft pick or a 3-4 ILB, and Trade Kiwi for an OLB or ILB

Too many moves for my liking, and the guys we keep arent playing their strengths

lol whaaaat! come on mang! First off, Osi is gone after thisyear. I can't see the Giants putting up with his ****. he would be HORRID as a 3-4. The guy can only pass rush and isn't physical at all. He doesn't play the run, no way Osi would be a good 3-4 guy.

I agree, but i'm just saying that Tuck could definitly transition there. Would be big to have him there for passing downs as well. He has played enough 4-3 DT to where he'll be alrite.

I agree ILB would be an issue, but wouldn't that basically put us exactly in the same position we are now? I mean our LBers are all questionable. Boley is having a good year, Kiwi is having decent but we have NOBODY at MLB. Only difference is that finding ILBs are easier than MLBs and we are getting better use out of Kiwi and JPP...

I disagree, i think that in the 3 spots that are probably most important in the 3-4 both OLBs and NT, we'd be moving 3 players who will perform even better than where they are. JPP is a beast... let him roam like we started to do yesterday. Fewell has this tampa 2 where he likes dropping lineman, more than he should. JPP drops, he can cover - i'd love it
You're nuts, Osi would be the DeMarcus Ware of our team if we went 3-4

Tuck would last a game of getting totally abused then get injured, he cant take the abuse for a whole 60mins, maybe a few years ago, not any more

We have nobody at MLB cause our #1 and #2 guys are out for the season (have you already forgotten about Goff??)

JPP is a beast but I dont want him covering any more than he already has to in a 4-3 lineup. He's a force at the line but dont forget he's only been playing football for 5 years so he may not have the 'football IQ' needed for a LB
</p>

Osi is a speed rushing DE...thats it.</p>

You guys are killing me here. If you want to go 3-4, we need to get a crapload of new players. Our players were drafted and/or signed to play a 4-3. Our corners were for the most part drafted to play a press defense. And we see what happens when you draft players for one purpose and then ask them to do something completely different.</p>

Don't worry, our new HC (Mike Zimmer) will figure it all out.</p>

dont make that comparison - cuz its an awful one

players can transition all the time back and forth between the 3-4 and 4-3

zone and man guys are just that - theres no leeway
</p>

We don't have the correct players Matt. Tuck would have no place on that defense. Osi would have no place. I can see Canty as a DE in a 3-4 but just about everybody else in the front 7 would have problems.</p>

Just get our guys to play better. THATS the problem. This regime has shown time after time that it can't do that.</p>

Tuck is questionable - i'll live with us agreeing to disagree..

but do u think Osi is back either way next year?

I think hes done and I NEVER say that.

But Joseph is a prototypical NT

bigblue4417

12-19-2011, 04:00 PM

<div class="report">

Andrei Kirilenko is reportedly leaving CSKA
Moscow to sign a multi-year contract with the Nets, though his agent
denies there have been any negotiations.</p>
</div>

It seems it is "only a matter of time" before
Kirilenko and the Nets reach an agreement. He would easily start at SF
ahead of Stephen Graham and Ime Udokawhats with that guy running for president of russia. lol i saw a picture with him sitting down at a table and putin was behind him, just staring at him. got to give that guy credit, the balls he must have to even think of messing with putin.

If you can deal with David Stern anything is possible.

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 04:11 PM

There are ALOT of 280 point 3-4 DEs in the league.

So far the only ones I found under 290 are Brett 'Da Beard' Kiesel and JJ Watt, every other 3-4 DE is over 300lb

just saying there are starters in the league at the 3-4 DE that are Tuck's size. They all aren't 300+

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 04:12 PM

There are ALOT of 280 point 3-4 DEs in the league.

So far the only ones I found under 290 are Brett 'Da Beard' Kiesel and JJ Watt, every other 3-4 DE is over 300lb
</p>

Just so you know Kase. In the off season Matt was making the argument that you needed to be over 300 LBS. to play DE in a 3-4. Now he's taking the opposite position.</p>

i guess u left for the rest of that day... it was then proven to me that its not as true as it once was.

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 04:13 PM

What I don't understand is why are we running the ball down 17 or 20 late in the game?

we should of been pounding the ball from the get go

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 04:14 PM

There are ALOT of 280 point 3-4 DEs in the league.

So far the only ones I found under 290 are Brett 'Da Beard' Kiesel and JJ Watt, every other 3-4 DE is over 300lb
</p>

Just so you know Kase. In the off season Matt was making the argument that you needed to be over 300 LBS. to play DE in a 3-4. Now he's taking the opposite position.</p>

My research showed me that the NFL (with a rare exception) believes the exact same, which is why there are only 2 starting 3-4 DT's under 300lbs
</p>

So Matt was right.................before he was wrong.</p>

Interesting!</p>

see my last response to kase... its un true, i just named 10 starters that are around the same size. Again its not AS common as having the 300 pounder, but its common enough to where if we did it wouldn't be a big issue like your making it seem or like I thought it would be

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 04:15 PM

What I don't understand is why are we running the ball down 17 or 20 late in the game?
and why bradshaw runs for +10 on the first play and then we never see him again.

i don tthink hes 100%

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 04:18 PM

and back to one point about switching players to 3-4 and 4-3 - i bet u would of said moving Cofield to NT would of been insane but hes doing pretty well in Washington

Morehead State

12-19-2011, 04:27 PM

There are ALOT of 280 point 3-4 DEs in the league.

So far the only ones I found under 290 are Brett 'Da Beard' Kiesel and JJ Watt, every other 3-4 DE is over 300lb
</P>

Just so you know Kase. In the off season Matt was making the argument that you needed to be over 300 LBS. to play DE in a 3-4. Now he's taking the opposite position.</P>

My research showed me that the NFL (with a rare exception) believes the exact same, which is why there are only 2 starting 3-4 DT's under 300lbs
</P>

So Matt was right.................before he was wrong.</P>

Interesting!</P>

see my last response to kase... its un true, i just named 10 starters that are around the same size. Again its not AS common as having the 300 pounder, but its common enough to where if we did it wouldn't be a big issue like your making it seem or like I thought it would be
</P>

Why are you so hell bent on having us switch to a 3-4? It doesn't matter if the players don't execute it well. Our players are already extreemly confused. Why do you think we will be better served in a 3-4? What characteristics of that defense do you think will favor us? And how do you see our players functioning in it?</P>

Don't bother answering because you probably have no real answer. Our problems are getting our players to play better. 3-4 vs. 4-3 is irrelevant. we did fine in the SB run as a 4-3. Also a 3-4 require the best players at LB. that is NOT what we have right now.</P>

And what does ANY OF THIS have to do with my chances of beating Lando tonight???????</P>

DavenIII

12-19-2011, 04:33 PM

What I don't understand is why are we running the ball down 17 or 20 late in the game?
and why bradshaw runs for +10 on the first play and then we never see him again.

That's what I don't like and I've been saying it for YEARS but It's Gilbride's fault 100%

everyone says he comes up with a great plan to expose the opposing teams defensive weaknesses and I DON'T disagree with that, but sometimes it's more important to use what our team does well at any particular time/game.

sooo many times we've played teams that are "supposed" to be bad against the pass and we'll pass all game with little success...meanwhile though they are supposed to be strong against the run..we'll average 5-6 YPC against them....but Gilbride never acknowledges it...it's like he is completely oblivious to the results.

He set's a game plan against a specific opponent and that's that ... there is no changing it, if we are supposed to be able to pass on Washington...then we will bang our heads against a wall if we can't until we lose....horrible....who cares that the run was working well...that's not his game plan.

I hate it.

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 04:41 PM

There are ALOT of 280 point 3-4 DEs in the league.

So far the only ones I found under 290 are Brett 'Da Beard' Kiesel and JJ Watt, every other 3-4 DE is over 300lb
</p>

Just so you know Kase. In the off season Matt was making the argument that you needed to be over 300 LBS. to play DE in a 3-4. Now he's taking the opposite position.</p>

My research showed me that the NFL (with a rare exception) believes the exact same, which is why there are only 2 starting 3-4 DT's under 300lbs
</p>

So Matt was right.................before he was wrong.</p>

Interesting!</p>

see my last response to kase... its un true, i just named 10 starters that are around the same size. Again its not AS common as having the 300 pounder, but its common enough to where if we did it wouldn't be a big issue like your making it seem or like I thought it would be
</p>

Why are you so hell bent on having us switch to a 3-4? It doesn't matter if the players don't execute it well. Our players are already extreemly confused. Why do you think we will be better served in a 3-4? What characteristics of that defense do you think will favor us? And how do you see our players functioning in it?</p>

Don't bother answering because you probably have no real answer. Our problems are getting our players to play better. 3-4 vs. 4-3 is irrelevant. we did fine in the SB run as a 4-3. Also a 3-4 require the best players at LB. that is NOT what we have right now.</p>

And what does ANY OF THIS have to do with my chances of beating Lando tonight???????</p>

im not hell bent - i just don't think that should be a reason we don;'t go after a HC anymore. I think we are VERY capable of making the switch if we need to.

I've seen alot out of kiwi, Jpp, and Joseph this year that DOES make it very possible.

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 04:42 PM

What I don't understand is why are we running the ball down 17 or 20 late in the game?
and why bradshaw runs for +10 on the first play and then we never see him again.

That's what I don't like and I've been saying it for YEARS but It's Gilbride's fault 100%

everyone says he comes up with a great plan to expose the opposing teams defensive weaknesses and I DON'T disagree with that, but sometimes it's more important to use what our team does well at any particular time/game.

sooo many times we've played teams that are "supposed" to be bad against the pass and we'll pass all game with little success...meanwhile though they are supposed to be strong against the run..we'll average 5-6 YPC against them....but Gilbride never acknowledges it...it's like he is completely oblivious to the results.

He set's a game plan against a specific opponent and that's that ... there is no changing it, if we are supposed to be able to pass on Washington...then we will bang our heads against a wall if we can't until we lose....horrible....who cares that the run was working well...that's not his game plan.

I hate it.

i think he sets the same ****in game plan every week no matter who we play

i feel like its the same hsit every week

Kase-1

12-19-2011, 04:47 PM

There are ALOT of 280 point 3-4 DEs in the league.

So far the only ones I found under 290 are Brett 'Da Beard' Kiesel and JJ Watt, every other 3-4 DE is over 300lb

just saying there are starters in the league at the 3-4 DE that are Tuck's size. They all aren't 300+
Redding is 298
Spencer Johnson is over 300 and he's listed as buffalo's OLB
Every one of Dallas' DE's are listed at over 300 lbs

So even with the 4 guys you listed thats still 6 total starting 3-4 DE's in the NFL out of how many?? 30+???

Morehead State

12-19-2011, 04:53 PM

What I don't understand is why are we running the ball down 17 or 20 late in the game?
and why bradshaw runs for +10 on the first play and then we never see him again.

That's what I don't like and I've been saying it for YEARS but It's Gilbride's fault 100%

everyone says he comes up with a great plan to expose the opposing teams defensive weaknesses and I DON'T disagree with that, but sometimes it's more important to use what our team does well at any particular time/game.

sooo many times we've played teams that are "supposed" to be bad against the pass and we'll pass all game with little success...meanwhile though they are supposed to be strong against the run..we'll average 5-6 YPC against them....but Gilbride never acknowledges it...it's like he is completely oblivious to the results.

He set's a game plan against a specific opponent and that's that ... there is no changing it, if we are supposed to be able to pass on Washington...then we will bang our heads against a wall if we can't until we lose....horrible....who cares that the run was working well...that's not his game plan.

I hate it.

i think he sets the same ****in game plan every week no matter who we play

i feel like its the same hsit every week
</P>

If your argument is that it shouldn't be a disqualifyer for a new HC, I would agree. If you are arguing that all things the same, we would be better in a 3-4, I would disagree.</P>

We will have to get some new players if we wanted to play a pure 3-4 defense. But if we get a new HC, we're probably getting new players anyway.</P>

Kase-1

12-19-2011, 04:53 PM

But Joseph is a prototypical NT
What tells you that, his zero combined years playing in a 3-4 defense???

Other than his size, nothing says 3-4 about the guy. He's been playing great as a 4-3 1/2 gap hybrid with Canty so far. Personally Id RATHER have a 1 gap and a 2 gap DT, but Canty and LJ are playing fine in the hybrid set

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 04:55 PM

There are ALOT of 280 point 3-4 DEs in the league.

So far the only ones I found under 290 are Brett 'Da Beard' Kiesel and JJ Watt, every other 3-4 DE is over 300lb

just saying there are starters in the league at the 3-4 DE that are Tuck's size. They all aren't 300+
Redding is 298
Spencer Johnson is over 300 and he's listed as buffalo's OLB
Every one of Dallas' DE's are listed at over 300 lbs

So even with the 4 guys you listed thats still 6 total starting 3-4 DE's in the NFL out of how many?? 30+???

i'll concede - football reference has completeley different weights

Spencer is def on the line though. He use to be DT in Minny

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 04:56 PM

What I don't understand is why are we running the ball down 17 or 20 late in the game?
and why bradshaw runs for +10 on the first play and then we never see him again.

That's what I don't like and I've been saying it for YEARS but It's Gilbride's fault 100%

everyone says he comes up with a great plan to expose the opposing teams defensive weaknesses and I DON'T disagree with that, but sometimes it's more important to use what our team does well at any particular time/game.

sooo many times we've played teams that are "supposed" to be bad against the pass and we'll pass all game with little success...meanwhile though they are supposed to be strong against the run..we'll average 5-6 YPC against them....but Gilbride never acknowledges it...it's like he is completely oblivious to the results.

He set's a game plan against a specific opponent and that's that ... there is no changing it, if we are supposed to be able to pass on Washington...then we will bang our heads against a wall if we can't until we lose....horrible....who cares that the run was working well...that's not his game plan.

I hate it.

i think he sets the same ****in game plan every week no matter who we play

i feel like its the same hsit every week
</p>

If your argument is that it shouldn't be a disqualifyer for a new HC, I would agree. If you are arguing that all things the same, we would be better in a 3-4, I would disagree.</p>

We will have to get some new players if we wanted to play a pure 3-4 defense. But if we get a new HC, we're probably getting new players anyway.</p>

yea - thats why I said I wouldn't want Cowher, cuz I wouldn't want the 3-4. But I would take cowher. I feel alot better about it.

I do think that Kiwi, JPP, and Joseph's talents could be maximized in a 3-4, but overall we would be better fit for 4-3.

But do u really think Osi is here next year, either way

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 04:58 PM

Hakeem is gonna be in Poughkeepsie tonight - LT and Pizz

i think im gonna take Blondie over there to get a nice Auto

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 05:00 PM

But Joseph is a prototypical NT
What tells you that, his zero combined years playing in a 3-4 defense???

Other than his size, nothing says 3-4 about the guy. He's been playing great as a 4-3 1/2 gap hybrid with Canty so far. Personally Id RATHER have a 1 gap and a 2 gap DT, but Canty and LJ are playing fine in the hybrid set

his size, stength, and what he does best is take on mutliple blockers. Hes perfect

I mean theres no real difference between a 4-3 DT and a 3-4 NT, besides size and strength. He has it. Hes one of the strongest guys in the NFL - thats what he was scouted as. Most places had him listed as a NT coming out

I mean Skins gave Cofield a huge contract to go play there and he never did before

Kase-1

12-19-2011, 05:03 PM

There are ALOT of 280 point 3-4 DEs in the league.

So far the only ones I found under 290 are Brett 'Da Beard' Kiesel and JJ Watt, every other 3-4 DE is over 300lb

just saying there are starters in the league at the 3-4 DE that are Tuck's size. They all aren't 300+
Redding is 298
Spencer Johnson is over 300 and he's listed as buffalo's OLB
Every one of Dallas' DE's are listed at over 300 lbs

So even with the 4 guys you listed thats still 6 total starting 3-4 DE's in the NFL out of how many?? 30+???

just saying there are starters in the league at the 3-4 DE that are Tuck's size. They all aren't 300+
Redding is 298
Spencer Johnson is over 300 and he's listed as buffalo's OLB
Every one of Dallas' DE's are listed at over 300 lbs

So even with the 4 guys you listed thats still 6 total starting 3-4 DE's in the NFL out of how many?? 30+???

just saying there are starters in the league at the 3-4 DE that are Tuck's size. They all aren't 300+
Redding is 298
Spencer Johnson is over 300 and he's listed as buffalo's OLB
Every one of Dallas' DE's are listed at over 300 lbs

So even with the 4 guys you listed thats still 6 total starting 3-4 DE's in the NFL out of how many?? 30+???

Spencer is def on the line though. He use to be DT in Minny
Am I just really REALLY baked off that Kush or am I reading this correctly?!?!?!

lol i had wrong info on weights - the kid that changed my mind proved it to me by using football reference...

if those weights are right then I say Tuck can do it, if they arne't then I say he can't

but i always eat crow

dezzzR

12-19-2011, 05:08 PM

this team needs a solid defensive coach, get lber, another olineman, and a decent fullback to get our running game going and eli can take care of the rest.
one thing worries me is gilbrides been with eli forever. there will be growing pains with a new coach. but then again maybe a new coach will give eli more say in plays being called. who knows. one things for sure, we have the talent.

Kase-1

12-19-2011, 05:10 PM

But Joseph is a prototypical NT
What tells you that, his zero combined years playing in a 3-4 defense???

Other than his size, nothing says 3-4 about the guy. He's been playing great as a 4-3 1/2 gap hybrid with Canty so far. Personally Id RATHER have a 1 gap and a 2 gap DT, but Canty and LJ are playing fine in the hybrid set

his size, stength, and what he does best is take on mutliple blockers. Hes perfect

I mean theres no real difference between a 4-3 DT and a 3-4 NT, besides size and strength. He has it. Hes one of the strongest guys in the NFL - thats what he was scouted as. Most places had him listed as a NT coming out

I mean Skins gave Cofield a huge contract to go play there and he never did before
Thats like saying 4-3 and 3-4 LBs are the same

He has the size to be a 3-4 NT at 6'4 330+ but he was a 2 gap/3 tech (mostly pass rushing) DT in college and now he's being used as a 1/3 tech hybrid, just like Canty. Coefield was our 1 tech DT whose role is 'similar' to a 3-4 DT in the same way a 3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE have 'similar' roles

I like keeping 3-4 guys as 3-4 guys, and 4-3 guys as 4-3 guys.... Clint Sintim is still too fresh in my memory

dezzzR

12-19-2011, 05:13 PM

is sintim still on the team?

Kase-1

12-19-2011, 05:15 PM

from NFLdraftscout.com

Joseph's potential is intriguing, but there are questions about
his functional strength and stamina, which could limit his value to
some teams. Others might end up drafting him higher than his ability
warrants because of a pressing need at the position. </p>
Looks like a nose tackle but plays like a three-technique,
penetrating and getting consistent pressure when fresh. Good closing
speed for his size ... Adequate anchoring against double-team blocking
due to thick legs and a wide upper body and will move to the ball
carrier after he's through the line ... Surprising quickness off of the
snap for his size ... Length and wide body allows him to engulf players
in his path. Gives effort to chase

Kase-1

12-19-2011, 05:17 PM

from NFLdraftscout.com

Joseph's potential is intriguing, but there are questions about
his functional strength and stamina, which could limit his value to
some teams. Others might end up drafting him higher than his ability
warrants because of a pressing need at the position. </p>
Looks like a nose tackle but plays like a three-technique,
penetrating and getting consistent pressure when fresh. Good closing
speed for his size ... Adequate anchoring against double-team blocking
due to thick legs and a wide upper body and will move to the ball
carrier after he's through the line ... Surprising quickness off of the
snap for his size ... Length and wide body allows him to engulf players
in his path. Gives effort to chase
Alot of people compared him to Fred Robbins when he came out of ECU. Good size, good quickness, not the best in the strength dept

dezzzR

12-19-2011, 05:26 PM

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/71096_204765974855_8067024_q.jpg (http://www.facebook.com/pages/In-Reese-We-Trust/204765974855)<h6 class="uiStreamMessage uiStreamHeadline"><div class="actorDescription actorName" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:2}">In Reese We Trust (http://www.facebook.com/pages/In-Reese-We-Trust/204765974855)</div></h6><h6 class="uiStreamMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:1}"> <span class="messageBody" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:3}">?Eli Manning (http://www.facebook.com/EliManning) is on pace to end the season 99 yards less than Dan Marino's record. Will he break it?</span></h6>

Kase-1

12-19-2011, 05:27 PM

So where do you guys think we'll go in the draft??

OT, DE, CB, S, TE???

I think the only places we're set is QB, WR, and K.... Oh yea Punter too, Weatherford has been an overlooked blessing

dezzzR

12-19-2011, 05:27 PM

<h6 class="uiStreamMessage uiStreamHeadline"><div class="actorDescription actorName" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:2}">In Reese We Trust (http://www.facebook.com/pages/In-Reese-We-Trust/204765974855)</div></h6><h6 class="uiStreamMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:1}"> <span class="messageBody" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:3}">Deon Grant says Prince Amukamara (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Prince-Amukamara/144191555602410)
isn't ready yet and needs to catch up to the speed of the game.
Between Antrel Rolle &amp; Deon Grant, Prince has gotten thrown under
the bus by 2 of the 5 main members of the secondary.</span></h6>

"heees just a boooyaaa"

Morehead State

12-19-2011, 05:35 PM

from NFLdraftscout.com

Joseph's potential is intriguing, but there are questions about his functional strength and stamina, which could limit his value to some teams. Others might end up drafting him higher than his ability warrants because of a pressing need at the position. </P>

Looks like a nose tackle but plays like a three-technique, penetrating and getting consistent pressure when fresh. Good closing speed for his size ... Adequate anchoring against double-team blocking due to thick legs and a wide upper body and will move to the ball carrier after he's through the line ... Surprising quickness off of the snap for his size ... Length and wide body allows him to engulf players in his path. Gives effort to chase
</P>

You are bringin' it today Kase!!</P>

Kase-1

12-19-2011, 05:44 PM

from NFLdraftscout.com

Joseph's potential is intriguing, but there are questions about his functional strength and stamina, which could limit his value to some teams. Others might end up drafting him higher than his ability warrants because of a pressing need at the position. </p>

Looks like a nose tackle but plays like a three-technique, penetrating and getting consistent pressure when fresh. Good closing speed for his size ... Adequate anchoring against double-team blocking due to thick legs and a wide upper body and will move to the ball carrier after he's through the line ... Surprising quickness off of the snap for his size ... Length and wide body allows him to engulf players in his path. Gives effort to chase
</p>

You are bringin' it today Kase!!</p>Hey I gotta do SOMETHING while the woman is at work and I collect unemployment over the winter so I got nothing but time until March, LOL

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 05:45 PM

But Joseph is a prototypical NT
What tells you that, his zero combined years playing in a 3-4 defense???

Other than his size, nothing says 3-4 about the guy. He's been playing great as a 4-3 1/2 gap hybrid with Canty so far. Personally Id RATHER have a 1 gap and a 2 gap DT, but Canty and LJ are playing fine in the hybrid set

his size, stength, and what he does best is take on mutliple blockers. Hes perfect

I mean theres no real difference between a 4-3 DT and a 3-4 NT, besides size and strength. He has it. Hes one of the strongest guys in the NFL - thats what he was scouted as. Most places had him listed as a NT coming out

I mean Skins gave Cofield a huge contract to go play there and he never did before
Thats like saying 4-3 and 3-4 LBs are the same

He has the size to be a 3-4 NT at 6'4 330+ but he was a 2 gap/3 tech (mostly pass rushing) DT in college and now he's being used as a 1/3 tech hybrid, just like Canty. Coefield was our 1 tech DT whose role is 'similar' to a 3-4 DT in the same way a 3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE have 'similar' roles

I like keeping 3-4 guys as 3-4 guys, and 4-3 guys as 4-3 guys.... Clint Sintim is still too fresh in my memory

well besides size and strength what do u think the difference is between 3-4 NT and 4-3 DT?

Its not much of a difference. Hes not a solid 3 tech every snap... they move, blockers come from all directions

Morehead State

12-19-2011, 05:47 PM

from NFLdraftscout.com

Joseph's potential is intriguing, but there are questions about his functional strength and stamina, which could limit his value to some teams. Others might end up drafting him higher than his ability warrants because of a pressing need at the position. </P>

Looks like a nose tackle but plays like a three-technique, penetrating and getting consistent pressure when fresh. Good closing speed for his size ... Adequate anchoring against double-team blocking due to thick legs and a wide upper body and will move to the ball carrier after he's through the line ... Surprising quickness off of the snap for his size ... Length and wide body allows him to engulf players in his path. Gives effort to chase
</P>

You are bringin' it today Kase!!</P>

Hey I gotta do SOMETHING while the woman is at work and I collect unemployment over the winter so I got nothing but time until March, LOL
</P>

If you could throw a couple of "bastages" and "bracioles"in your posts it will really feel like old times.</P>

Morehead State

12-19-2011, 05:49 PM

But Joseph is a prototypical NT
What tells you that, his zero combined years playing in a 3-4 defense???

Other than his size, nothing says 3-4 about the guy. He's been playing great as a 4-3 1/2 gap hybrid with Canty so far. Personally Id RATHER have a 1 gap and a 2 gap DT, but Canty and LJ are playing fine in the hybrid set

his size, stength, and what he does best is take on mutliple blockers. Hes perfect

I mean theres no real difference between a 4-3 DT and a 3-4 NT, besides size and strength. He has it. Hes one of the strongest guys in the NFL - thats what he was scouted as. Most places had him listed as a NT coming out

I mean Skins gave Cofield a huge contract to go play there and he never did before
Thats like saying 4-3 and 3-4 LBs are the same

He has the size to be a 3-4 NT at 6'4 330+ but he was a 2 gap/3 tech (mostly pass rushing) DT in college and now he's being used as a 1/3 tech hybrid, just like Canty. Coefield was our 1 tech DT whose role is 'similar' to a 3-4 DT in the same way a 3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE have 'similar' roles

I like keeping 3-4 guys as 3-4 guys, and 4-3 guys as 4-3 guys.... Clint Sintim is still too fresh in my memory

well besides size and strength what do u think the difference is between 3-4 NT and 4-3 DT?

Its not much of a difference. Hes not a solid 3 tech every snap... they move, blockers come from all directions
</P>

What about Marvin Austin? I think 4-3 is still the best way to go for our personell.</P>

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 05:49 PM

from NFLdraftscout.com

Joseph's potential is intriguing, but there are questions about
his functional strength and stamina, which could limit his value to
some teams. Others might end up drafting him higher than his ability
warrants because of a pressing need at the position. </p>
Looks like a nose tackle but plays like a three-technique,
penetrating and getting consistent pressure when fresh. Good closing
speed for his size ... Adequate anchoring against double-team blocking
due to thick legs and a wide upper body and will move to the ball
carrier after he's through the line ... Surprising quickness off of the
snap for his size ... Length and wide body allows him to engulf players
in his path. Gives effort to chase
Alot of people compared him to Fred Robbins when he came out of ECU. Good size, good quickness, not the best in the strength dept

Strengths: Joseph is an incredibly strong tackle who can hold
the nose and take on double teams. Had an incredible junior year with 60
tackles with 13 for a loss and three sacks. Gets better penetration
than you’d expect from such a big player. Joseph is a massive, engulfing
tackler. Shows a good motor – while it lasts.</p>

Weaknesses: Doesn’t always seem to play up to his size. Lets
guards overpower him and move him off the line. Tends to play too high
which lets blockers under his pads. Stamina may be a serious issue.
Played in a rotation for ECU and often seemed winded. Had major weight
fluctuations during his career.</p>

Final word: With the number of teams needing 3-4 defensive
lineman, Joseph made a smart move entering the draft a year early. He
was part of an impressive defensive line rotation.</p>

There is plenty to like about Joseph, namely his size and intriguing
athleticism. He really helped himself with an excellent combine
performance. But there are some work ethic issues that will need to be
addressed.</p>

</p><div id="apDiv12">
<ul> Very strong, 39 reps of 225, and lower body is very strong as well Good size, 6-4 330, makes him the ideal size to play Nose Tackle in a 3-4 Very athletic, quick feet and hands, carries his weight very well Can bully his way inside with pure strength Very good tackler, has great closing speed on the QB or ball carrier Very productive in college, proved the ability to penetrate Very high upside, if he develops could be a dominant nose tackle[/list]
</div>
http://www.nfldraftgeek.com/linval.html

----------------------------
<ul> Combination of size (including height and weight) and athleticism for a big DT Can play nose tackle in a 3-4 or 4-3[/list]

Joseph's potential is intriguing, but there are questions about his functional strength and stamina, which could limit his value to some teams. Others might end up drafting him higher than his ability warrants because of a pressing need at the position. </p>

Looks like a nose tackle but plays like a three-technique, penetrating and getting consistent pressure when fresh. Good closing speed for his size ... Adequate anchoring against double-team blocking due to thick legs and a wide upper body and will move to the ball carrier after he's through the line ... Surprising quickness off of the snap for his size ... Length and wide body allows him to engulf players in his path. Gives effort to chase
</p>

You are bringin' it today Kase!!</p>Hey I gotta do SOMETHING while the woman is at work and I collect unemployment over the winter so I got nothing but time until March, LOL

whoa whoa - u got a woman and ur livin with her? since when

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 05:52 PM

But Joseph is a prototypical NT
What tells you that, his zero combined years playing in a 3-4 defense???

Other than his size, nothing says 3-4 about the guy. He's been playing great as a 4-3 1/2 gap hybrid with Canty so far. Personally Id RATHER have a 1 gap and a 2 gap DT, but Canty and LJ are playing fine in the hybrid set

his size, stength, and what he does best is take on mutliple blockers. Hes perfect

I mean theres no real difference between a 4-3 DT and a 3-4 NT, besides size and strength. He has it. Hes one of the strongest guys in the NFL - thats what he was scouted as. Most places had him listed as a NT coming out

I mean Skins gave Cofield a huge contract to go play there and he never did before
Thats like saying 4-3 and 3-4 LBs are the same

He has the size to be a 3-4 NT at 6'4 330+ but he was a 2 gap/3 tech (mostly pass rushing) DT in college and now he's being used as a 1/3 tech hybrid, just like Canty. Coefield was our 1 tech DT whose role is 'similar' to a 3-4 DT in the same way a 3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE have 'similar' roles

I like keeping 3-4 guys as 3-4 guys, and 4-3 guys as 4-3 guys.... Clint Sintim is still too fresh in my memory

well besides size and strength what do u think the difference is between 3-4 NT and 4-3 DT?

Its not much of a difference. Hes not a solid 3 tech every snap... they move, blockers come from all directions
</p>

What about Marvin Austin? I think 4-3 is still the best way to go for our personell.</p>

Im not holding out hope for Austin...

i gotta be honest, I think being out 2 years like this is alot to come back from when u make the jump from weak 1A to pros...

Like if it comes down to us switching schemes im not going to wonder: "well what baout Austin?"

Kase-1

12-19-2011, 05:52 PM

But Joseph is a prototypical NT
What tells you that, his zero combined years playing in a 3-4 defense???

Other than his size, nothing says 3-4 about the guy. He's been playing great as a 4-3 1/2 gap hybrid with Canty so far. Personally Id RATHER have a 1 gap and a 2 gap DT, but Canty and LJ are playing fine in the hybrid set

his size, stength, and what he does best is take on mutliple blockers. Hes perfect

I mean theres no real difference between a 4-3 DT and a 3-4 NT, besides size and strength. He has it. Hes one of the strongest guys in the NFL - thats what he was scouted as. Most places had him listed as a NT coming out

I mean Skins gave Cofield a huge contract to go play there and he never did before
Thats like saying 4-3 and 3-4 LBs are the same

He has the size to be a 3-4 NT at 6'4 330+ but he was a 2 gap/3 tech (mostly pass rushing) DT in college and now he's being used as a 1/3 tech hybrid, just like Canty. Coefield was our 1 tech DT whose role is 'similar' to a 3-4 DT in the same way a 3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE have 'similar' roles

I like keeping 3-4 guys as 3-4 guys, and 4-3 guys as 4-3 guys.... Clint Sintim is still too fresh in my memory

well besides size and strength what do u think the difference is between 3-4 NT and 4-3 DT?

Its not much of a difference. Hes not a solid 3 tech every snap... they move, blockers come from all directions
The difference is the game they play on the field. 3-4 uses DT as NT's which are the centerpieces of the scheme, they control the LOS, are the main run stuffers, usually arent very fast, but they are disgustingly strong

He's not a straight 3-tech, Ive been saying that all day. They've been using him and Canty as hybrids, if anything Marvin Austin was more of a prototype 3-tech pass rushing DT while Linval was a somewhat hybrid his whole career.

Yes blockers come from every direction but its much more complex than that man

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 05:52 PM

and another thing baout Joseph - hes shown this year he can stand his ground with double teams. Hes having a fantastic year

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 05:55 PM

But Joseph is a prototypical NT
What tells you that, his zero combined years playing in a 3-4 defense???

Other than his size, nothing says 3-4 about the guy. He's been playing great as a 4-3 1/2 gap hybrid with Canty so far. Personally Id RATHER have a 1 gap and a 2 gap DT, but Canty and LJ are playing fine in the hybrid set

his size, stength, and what he does best is take on mutliple blockers. Hes perfect

I mean theres no real difference between a 4-3 DT and a 3-4 NT, besides size and strength. He has it. Hes one of the strongest guys in the NFL - thats what he was scouted as. Most places had him listed as a NT coming out

I mean Skins gave Cofield a huge contract to go play there and he never did before
Thats like saying 4-3 and 3-4 LBs are the same

He has the size to be a 3-4 NT at 6'4 330+ but he was a 2 gap/3 tech (mostly pass rushing) DT in college and now he's being used as a 1/3 tech hybrid, just like Canty. Coefield was our 1 tech DT whose role is 'similar' to a 3-4 DT in the same way a 3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE have 'similar' roles

I like keeping 3-4 guys as 3-4 guys, and 4-3 guys as 4-3 guys.... Clint Sintim is still too fresh in my memory

well besides size and strength what do u think the difference is between 3-4 NT and 4-3 DT?

Its not much of a difference. Hes not a solid 3 tech every snap... they move, blockers come from all directions
The difference is the game they play on the field. 3-4 uses DT as NT's which are the centerpieces of the scheme, they control the LOS, are the main run stuffers, usually arent very fast, but they are disgustingly strong

He's not a straight 3-tech, Ive been saying that all day. They've been using him and Canty as hybrids, if anything Marvin Austin was more of a prototype 3-tech pass rushing DT while Linval was a somewhat hybrid his whole career.

Yes blockers come from every direction but its much more complex than that man

by your theory Redskins should of never signed Cofield - they are fine with him and hes doing great over there

Kase-1

12-19-2011, 05:58 PM

from NFLdraftscout.com

Joseph's potential is intriguing, but there are questions about
his functional strength and stamina, which could limit his value to
some teams. Others might end up drafting him higher than his ability
warrants because of a pressing need at the position. </p>
Looks like a nose tackle but plays like a three-technique,
penetrating and getting consistent pressure when fresh. Good closing
speed for his size ... Adequate anchoring against double-team blocking
due to thick legs and a wide upper body and will move to the ball
carrier after he's through the line ... Surprising quickness off of the
snap for his size ... Length and wide body allows him to engulf players
in his path. Gives effort to chase
Alot of people compared him to Fred Robbins when he came out of ECU. Good size, good quickness, not the best in the strength dept

Strengths: Joseph is an incredibly strong tackle who can hold
the nose and take on double teams. Had an incredible junior year with 60
tackles with 13 for a loss and three sacks. Gets better penetration
than you’d expect from such a big player. Joseph is a massive, engulfing
tackler. Shows a good motor – while it lasts.</p>

Weaknesses: Doesn’t always seem to play up to his size. Lets
guards overpower him and move him off the line. Tends to play too high
which lets blockers under his pads. Stamina may be a serious issue.
Played in a rotation for ECU and often seemed winded. Had major weight
fluctuations during his career.</p>

Final word: With the number of teams needing 3-4 defensive
lineman, Joseph made a smart move entering the draft a year early. He
was part of an impressive defensive line rotation.</p>

There is plenty to like about Joseph, namely his size and intriguing
athleticism. He really helped himself with an excellent combine
performance. But there are some work ethic issues that will need to be
addressed.</p>

</p><div id="apDiv12">
<ul> Very strong, 39 reps of 225, and lower body is very strong as well Good size, 6-4 330, makes him the ideal size to play Nose Tackle in a 3-4 Very athletic, quick feet and hands, carries his weight very well Can bully his way inside with pure strength Very good tackler, has great closing speed on the QB or ball carrier Very productive in college, proved the ability to penetrate Very high upside, if he develops could be a dominant nose tackle[/list]
</div>
http://www.nfldraftgeek.com/linval.html

----------------------------
<ul> Combination of size (including height and weight) and athleticism for a big DT Can play nose tackle in a 3-4 or 4-3[/list]

Well the deeper I dig the more I find out that he was projected to go to a 3-4 team or play as a 1 tech DT in the NFL

Hmm, well no matter the case, he's doing well as a hybrid DT

MattMeyerBud

12-19-2011, 05:59 PM

from NFLdraftscout.com

Joseph's potential is intriguing, but there are questions about
his functional strength and stamina, which could limit his value to
some teams. Others might end up drafting him higher than his ability
warrants because of a pressing need at the position. </p>
Looks like a nose tackle but plays like a three-technique,
penetrating and getting consistent pressure when fresh. Good closing
speed for his size ... Adequate anchoring against double-team blocking
due to thick legs and a wide upper body and will move to the ball
carrier after he's through the line ... Surprising quickness off of the
snap for his size ... Length and wide body allows him to engulf players
in his path. Gives effort to chase
Alot of people compared him to Fred Robbins when he came out of ECU. Good size, good quickness, not the best in the strength dept

Strengths: Joseph is an incredibly strong tackle who can hold
the nose and take on double teams. Had an incredible junior year with 60
tackles with 13 for a loss and three sacks. Gets better penetration
than you’d expect from such a big player. Joseph is a massive, engulfing
tackler. Shows a good motor – while it lasts.</p>

Weaknesses: Doesn’t always seem to play up to his size. Lets
guards overpower him and move him off the line. Tends to play too high
which lets blockers under his pads. Stamina may be a serious issue.
Played in a rotation for ECU and often seemed winded. Had major weight
fluctuations during his career.</p>

Final word: With the number of teams needing 3-4 defensive
lineman, Joseph made a smart move entering the draft a year early. He
was part of an impressive defensive line rotation.</p>

There is plenty to like about Joseph, namely his size and intriguing
athleticism. He really helped himself with an excellent combine
performance. But there are some work ethic issues that will need to be
addressed.</p>

</p><div id="apDiv12">
<ul> Very strong, 39 reps of 225, and lower body is very strong as well Good size, 6-4 330, makes him the ideal size to play Nose Tackle in a 3-4 Very athletic, quick feet and hands, carries his weight very well Can bully his way inside with pure strength Very good tackler, has great closing speed on the QB or ball carrier Very productive in college, proved the ability to penetrate Very high upside, if he develops could be a dominant nose tackle[/list]
</div>
http://www.nfldraftgeek.com/linval.html

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<ul> Combination of size (including height and weight) and athleticism for a big DT Can play nose tackle in a 3-4 or 4-3[/list]

Well the deeper I dig the more I find out that he was projected to go to a 3-4 team or play as a 1 tech DT in the NFL

Hmm, well no matter the case, he's doing well as a hybrid DT

did i smoke too much kush and my eyes are playing tricks on me?

lol j/p

Kase-1

12-19-2011, 06:00 PM

from NFLdraftscout.com

Joseph's potential is intriguing, but there are questions about his functional strength and stamina, which could limit his value to some teams. Others might end up drafting him higher than his ability warrants because of a pressing need at the position. </p>

Looks like a nose tackle but plays like a three-technique, penetrating and getting consistent pressure when fresh. Good closing speed for his size ... Adequate anchoring against double-team blocking due to thick legs and a wide upper body and will move to the ball carrier after he's through the line ... Surprising quickness off of the snap for his size ... Length and wide body allows him to engulf players in his path. Gives effort to chase
</p>

You are bringin' it today Kase!!</p>Hey I gotta do SOMETHING while the woman is at work and I collect unemployment over the winter so I got nothing but time until March, LOL

whoa whoa - u got a woman and ur livin with her? since when
Nah nah not living with her... Im a fan of my space, LOL

lawl

12-19-2011, 06:08 PM

If we switch to a 3-4 jpp would have to lose about 30 lbs( he bulked up to like 290 to play end). Our 2d round pick last year, Austin, is useless. Tuck is wasted. And then you're paying canty 5 mill to play 34 end.

Not to mention we would have absolutely zero depth on our DL.

This defense before the injuries and probably still after them is more talented than the 08 squad. They need to get their **** together.

Kase-1

12-19-2011, 06:09 PM

But Joseph is a prototypical NT
What tells you that, his zero combined years playing in a 3-4 defense???

Other than his size, nothing says 3-4 about the guy. He's been playing great as a 4-3 1/2 gap hybrid with Canty so far. Personally Id RATHER have a 1 gap and a 2 gap DT, but Canty and LJ are playing fine in the hybrid set

his size, stength, and what he does best is take on mutliple blockers. Hes perfect

I mean theres no real difference between a 4-3 DT and a 3-4 NT, besides size and strength. He has it. Hes one of the strongest guys in the NFL - thats what he was scouted as. Most places had him listed as a NT coming out

I mean Skins gave Cofield a huge contract to go play there and he never did before
Thats like saying 4-3 and 3-4 LBs are the same

He has the size to be a 3-4 NT at 6'4 330+ but he was a 2 gap/3 tech (mostly pass rushing) DT in college and now he's being used as a 1/3 tech hybrid, just like Canty. Coefield was our 1 tech DT whose role is 'similar' to a 3-4 DT in the same way a 3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE have 'similar' roles

I like keeping 3-4 guys as 3-4 guys, and 4-3 guys as 4-3 guys.... Clint Sintim is still too fresh in my memory

well besides size and strength what do u think the difference is between 3-4 NT and 4-3 DT?

Its not much of a difference. Hes not a solid 3 tech every snap... they move, blockers come from all directions
</p>

What about Marvin Austin? I think 4-3 is still the best way to go for our personell.</p>

Im not holding out hope for Austin...

i gotta be honest, I think being out 2 years like this is alot to come back from when u make the jump from weak 1A to pros...

Like if it comes down to us switching schemes im not going to wonder: "well what baout Austin?"
Im not holding hope for Austin either, if ya think about he'll be 2 years removed from playing ball thats a long time, while he was a straight beast while playing, 2 years is 2 years

Im more concerned what we would do with our starters and in which scheme would their talents best be utilized

Morehead State

12-20-2011, 10:05 AM

Good morning everybody. </P>

It actually hurt me to beat my friend Lando last night but whats done is done.</P>

I must now destroy Byron. </P>

I have a slingshot Goliath, and I'm a good shot, Be prepared to lose.</P>

patsrule666

12-20-2011, 10:33 AM

Good morning everybody.* </P>

It actually hurt me to beat my friend Lando last night but whats done is done.</P>

I must now destroy Byron.* </P>

I have a slingshot Goliath, and I'm a good shot,* Be prepared to lose.</P>Congrats on making it this far. You certainly have come a long ways in such a short period of time. From someone that thought it was somewhat childish to play FF, to full fledged addiction..I am so proud of you.............Good luck to both of you.

good news is fantasy hoops season starts for lando today - so he doesn't skip a beat

Morehead State

12-20-2011, 10:40 AM

Good morning everybody. </P>

It actually hurt me to beat my friend Lando last night but whats done is done.</P>

I must now destroy Byron. </P>

I have a slingshot Goliath, and I'm a good shot, Be prepared to lose.</P>

Congrats on making it this far. You certainly have come a long ways in such a short period of time. From someone that thought it was somewhat childish to play FF, to full fledged addiction..I am so proud of you.............Good luck to both of you.</P>

Pats....."childish" and "Morehead" go together like milk and cookies.</P>

I thought it would be you in the finals. Both matches could easily have gone either way.</P>

Better watch your back Fish! Squirrel Master ain't gonna be there for
you all the time. Next time I come for you, I'm gonna want some
****tail... FRUIT!

Kase-1

12-20-2011, 12:22 PM

good news is fantasy hoops season starts for lando today - so he doesn't skip a beat
No fantasy hockey for you guys this season??

dezzzR

12-20-2011, 12:29 PM

mike and mike and chris carter are saying tc earned the right to stay another year. golich said horrible play is on the players.
</p>

If they get their way, our ressurgence will be delayed another year. I'm too old to wait.</p>

How many year end collapses do we need to endure before we make a change?</p>

resurgence*

i agree. im too young and impatient to wait another year.
</p>

I thought you were a TC for life guy.</p>my mind works in mysterious ways....
no but really i am a tc guy for life but im also a realist. we need change, i would like tc to bring in new coordinators but i know it wont happen, hes to loyal. fewell is the final nail in his coffin. it scares me that some people think fewell will stay, but if we bring in a new coach hell clean house.

john clayton still thinks the giants will go for cohwer but i herd him on a radio show the other day and he said he didnt want to coach anymore. so who knows.

Morehead State

12-20-2011, 12:36 PM

good news is fantasy hoops season starts for lando today - so he doesn't skip a beat
No fantasy hockey for you guys this season??
</P>

I'll take Jean Ratelle in the first round.</P>

Morehead State

12-20-2011, 12:40 PM

mike and mike and chris carter are saying tc earned the right to stay another year. golich said horrible play is on the players.
</P>

If they get their way, our ressurgence will be delayed another year. I'm too old to wait.</P>

How many year end collapses do we need to endure before we make a change?</P>

resurgence*

i agree. im too young and impatient to wait another year.
</P>

I thought you were a TC for life guy.</P>

my mind works in mysterious ways....
no but really i am a tc guy for life but im also a realist. we need change, i would like tc to bring in new coordinators but i know it wont happen, hes to loyal. fewell is the final nail in his coffin. it scares me that some people think fewell will stay, but if we bring in a new coach hell clean house.

john clayton still thinks the giants will go for cohwer but i herd him on a radio show the other day and he said he didnt want to coach anymore. so who knows.
</P>

Cowher would be a tragic mistake. Another old coach to replace our old coach. Great move!!</P>

The only thing worse for me would be the Sox hiring Bobby Valentine..............Oh wait..............</P>

lttaylor56

12-20-2011, 12:45 PM

mmb-Thanks for heads up last night on Hakeem. That would of been a nice drive for me if I had my phone on me. I have two mini's with no signatures on them that would of fit the bill.

mike and mike and chris carter are saying tc earned the right to stay another year. golich said horrible play is on the players.
</p>

If they get their way, our ressurgence will be delayed another year. I'm too old to wait.</p>

How many year end collapses do we need to endure before we make a change?</p>

resurgence*

i agree. im too young and impatient to wait another year.
</p>

I thought you were a TC for life guy.</p>

my mind works in mysterious ways....
no but really i am a tc guy for life but im also a realist. we need change, i would like tc to bring in new coordinators but i know it wont happen, hes to loyal. fewell is the final nail in his coffin. it scares me that some people think fewell will stay, but if we bring in a new coach hell clean house.

john clayton still thinks the giants will go for cohwer but i herd him on a radio show the other day and he said he didnt want to coach anymore. so who knows.
</p>

Cowher would be a tragic mistake. Another old coach to replace our old coach. Great move!!</p>

T<u>he only thing worse for me would be the Sox hiring Bobby Valentine</u>..............Oh wait..............</p>lol. its not THAT bad mh. i think hes a solid coach. took the mets to a ws. thats right, the mets.

are you going through a mid life crisis? what do you want a young coach for? id rather someone with experience than some new kid on the block.

Morehead State

12-20-2011, 01:04 PM

mike and mike and chris carter are saying tc earned the right to stay another year. golich said horrible play is on the players.
</P>

If they get their way, our ressurgence will be delayed another year. I'm too old to wait.</P>

How many year end collapses do we need to endure before we make a change?</P>

resurgence*

i agree. im too young and impatient to wait another year.
</P>

I thought you were a TC for life guy.</P>

my mind works in mysterious ways....
no but really i am a tc guy for life but im also a realist. we need change, i would like tc to bring in new coordinators but i know it wont happen, hes to loyal. fewell is the final nail in his coffin. it scares me that some people think fewell will stay, but if we bring in a new coach hell clean house.

john clayton still thinks the giants will go for cohwer but i herd him on a radio show the other day and he said he didnt want to coach anymore. so who knows.
</P>

Cowher would be a tragic mistake. Another old coach to replace our old coach. Great move!!</P>

T<U>he only thing worse for me would be the Sox hiring Bobby Valentine</U>..............Oh wait..............</P>

lol. its not THAT bad mh. i think hes a solid coach. took the mets to a ws. thats right, the mets.

are you going through a mid life crisis? what do you want a young coach for? id rather someone with experience than some new kid on the block.
</P>

For the Giants, its a young man's league. We need innovation and creativity. We need a guy the players will run through a brick wall for. We all think Rex is a big mouth, but his players will always play hard for him. Give me a successful coordinator who instills loyalty and enthusiasm in the players.</P>

TC falls far short of that. And the quit in this team over the past several years proves it. </P>

As I have said, Mike Zimmer would be my first choice.</P>

dezzzR

12-20-2011, 01:07 PM

jimmy johnson was talking about different coaching styles sunday before the game, good stuff. he was saying he was the" kind of coach that preferred to manage the game. some guys like to call the plays on offense or defense and sometimes you can get tunnel vision and be too focused on one side of the ball, i tried it a few times. but i realized thats what my coordinators are for. i found the game flowed much better with them calling the plays and me overseeing, if i didnt like something, id change it. if i wanted to slow the game down a bit id tell (whoever) to run the ball more. if i thought we needed more pressure on the qb id tell (whoever) to blitz more."

not word for word but its the jist.

Kase-1

12-20-2011, 01:12 PM

good news is fantasy hoops season starts for lando today - so he doesn't skip a beat
No fantasy hockey for you guys this season??
</p>

I'll take Jean Ratelle in the first round.</p> Really??

I was expecting huge seasons from Eddie Giocamin and Rod Gilbert

Morehead State

12-20-2011, 01:16 PM

jimmy johnson was talking about different coaching styles sunday before the game, good stuff. he was saying he was the" kind of coach that preferred to manage the game. some guys like to call the plays on offense or defense and sometimes you can get tunnel vision and be too focused on one side of the ball, i tried it a few times. but i realized thats what my coordinators are for. i found the game flowed much better with them calling the plays and me overseeing, if i didnt like something, id change it. if i wanted to slow the game down a bit id tell (whoever) to run the ball more. if i thought we needed more pressure on the qb id tell (whoever) to blitz more."

not word for word but its the jist.
</P>

If you read EA's book, you would see that EA was pissed off that TC wasn't calling the plays on offense. he said that was the understanding they had when he was hired.</P>

In JJ's case, he had two great coordinators in Norv Turner and Dave Wannstedt. I don't care who calls the plays as long as they can use the talent they have to the max.</P>

Right now, this coaching staff is old, stale and ineffective.</P>

Morehead State

12-20-2011, 01:18 PM

good news is fantasy hoops season starts for lando today - so he doesn't skip a beat
No fantasy hockey for you guys this season??
</P>

good news is fantasy hoops season starts for lando today - so he doesn't skip a beat
No fantasy hockey for you guys this season??
</p>

I'll take Jean Ratelle in the first round.</p>

Really??

I was expecting huge seasons from Eddie Giocamin and Rod Gilbert
</p>

Actually I change my mind. I want my favorite goalie of all time....Gilles Meloche.</p>did you play hockey mh?

Kase-1

12-20-2011, 01:33 PM

The California Golden Seals represented everything that was right with the NHL.</p>

http://www.hockeyforum.com/photopost/data/500/melochegillesCAL001.jpg</p>Folding after a handful of seasons??

It took arguably the greatest hockey player of all time to make it work, but Wayne Gretzky elevated hockey in Cali to a whole nother level..... The Sharks and Kings have been selling out for years and hell even The Ducks (other than this season) have excellent numbers, especially considering the climate

Morehead State

12-20-2011, 01:37 PM

The California Golden Seals represented everything that was right with the NHL.</P>

It took arguably the greatest hockey player of all time to make it work, but Wayne Gretzky elevated hockey in Cali to a whole nother level..... The Sharks and Kings have been selling out for years and hell even The Ducks (other than this season) have excellent numbers, especially considering the climate

</P>

They never folded. through osmosis they are now the Dallas Stars. look it up.</P>

dezzzR

12-20-2011, 01:45 PM

The California Golden Seals represented everything that was right with the NHL.</p>

http://www.hockeyforum.com/photopost/data/500/melochegillesCAL001.jpg</p>lol the tape job at the top of his stick.

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. not hakeeeem!!!
Matt-Was that a chrome Mini-helmet, it looks shiny. If so there were only 2000 of those made.

na bought it for like $30 bucks at the sports store...

If i could of charge it they had an Ahmad Bradshaw for $75. I would of just got that and had Nicks sign on the other hand
I met Bradshaw and Aaron Ross in Ross's first year with us down in Scarsdale at a signing. AR and AB sigs are on same helmet with that **** running back we had....Rueben droughns--I can't remember his name....lol

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. not hakeeeem!!!
Matt-Was that a chrome Mini-helmet, it looks shiny. If so there were only 2000 of those made.

na bought it for like $30 bucks at the sports store...

If i could of charge it they had an Ahmad Bradshaw for $75. I would of just got that and had Nicks sign on the other hand
I met Bradshaw and Aaron Ross in Ross's first year with us down in Scarsdale at a signing. AR and AB sigs are on same helmet with that **** running back we had....Rueben droughns--I can't remember his name....lolHEY HEY, anyone on the 07 team is a GOLDEN GOD. understand?

no but really he was ok. his yard avg. sucked but everything else was ok. 6 tds for a 3rd string back is great. 27 first downs...

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. not hakeeeem!!!
Matt-Was that a chrome Mini-helmet, it looks shiny. If so there were only 2000 of those made.

na bought it for like $30 bucks at the sports store...

If i could of charge it they had an Ahmad Bradshaw for $75. I would of just got that and had Nicks sign on the other hand
I met Bradshaw and Aaron Ross in Ross's first year with us down in Scarsdale at a signing. AR and AB sigs are on same helmet with that **** running back we had....Rueben droughns--I can't remember his name....lolHEY HEY, anyone on the 07 team is a GOLDEN GOD. understand?

no but really he was ok. his yard avg. sucked but everything else was ok. 6 tds for a 3rd string back is great. 27 first downs...
Did I get his name right? eeehhhh, yeah that's not bad for 3rd in place. Regarding 07...I had a sad feeling Sunday night, of course it was combined with the way the Giant's played the skins. I could possibly never see another championship in my lifetime. That in mind, I'm glad I lived up that entire year after our SB 42 victory to it's fullest.

dezzzR

12-20-2011, 03:49 PM

<h6 class="uiStreamMessage uiStreamHeadline"><div class="actorDescription actorName" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:2}">In Reese We Trust (http://www.facebook.com/pages/In-Reese-We-Trust/204765974855)</div></h6><h6 class="uiStreamMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:1}"> <span class="messageBody" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:3}">Plaxico
Burress has reportedly asked Rex Ryan if he wants to have a sit-down to
discuss the New York Giants and certain tendencies</span></h6>

lttaylor56

12-20-2011, 04:02 PM

<h6 class="uiStreamMessage uiStreamHeadline"><div class="actorDescription actorName" data-ft="{"type":2}">In Reese We Trust (http://www.facebook.com/pages/In-Reese-We-Trust/204765974855)</div></h6><h6 class="uiStreamMessage" data-ft="{"type":1}"> <span class="messageBody" data-ft="{"type":3}">Plaxico
Burress has reportedly asked Rex Ryan if he wants to have a sit-down to
discuss the New York Giants and certain tendencies</span></h6>The tendency to fold like a cheap chair in the Month of December?

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. not hakeeeem!!!
Matt-Was that a chrome Mini-helmet, it looks shiny. If so there were only 2000 of those made.

na bought it for like $30 bucks at the sports store...

If i could of charge it they had an Ahmad Bradshaw for $75. I would of just got that and had Nicks sign on the other hand
I met Bradshaw and Aaron Ross in Ross's first year with us down in Scarsdale at a signing. AR and AB sigs are on same helmet with that **** running back we had....Rueben droughns--I can't remember his name....lolHEY HEY, anyone on the 07 team is a GOLDEN GOD. understand?

no but really he was ok. his yard avg. sucked but everything else was ok. 6 tds for a 3rd string back is great. 27 first downs...
Did I get his name right? eeehhhh, yeah that's not bad for 3rd in place. Regarding 07...I had a sad feeling Sunday night, of course it was combined with the way the Giant's played the skins. I could possibly never see another championship in my lifetime. That in mind, I'm glad I lived up that entire year after our SB 42 victory to it's fullest.

bet u said the same thing after the Minny game in 07 ;)

Kase-1

12-21-2011, 10:27 AM

Calling all NJ thread members, 1 of my boys is gonna be in Maplewood, NJ and he's coming to the game on Saturday but he has no ride. We were thinking of having him take a train to the stadium but it doesnt get there early enough. BTW we're taking the GWB to the NJTPK to the Stadium

1. Where is Maplewood??
2. Do they have trains running north?
3. Is it close enough where he could take a cab to the gates and walk in.... (Kase-1 had to do that when he left his tix in his car parked in Clifton NJ, LOL)
4. Are there buses that go from Maplewood area up to the stadium???

ANY info that you guys could add would be greatly appreciated

MattMeyerBud

12-21-2011, 10:31 AM

Calling all NJ thread members, 1 of my boys is gonna be in Maplewood, NJ and he's coming to the game on Saturday but he has no ride. We were thinking of having him take a train to the stadium but it doesnt get there early enough. BTW we're taking the GWB to the NJTPK to the Stadium

1. Where is Maplewood??
2. Do they have trains running north?
3. Is it close enough where he could take a cab to the gates and walk in.... (Kase-1 had to do that when he left his tix in his car parked in Clifton NJ, LOL)
4. Are there buses that go from Maplewood area up to the stadium???

ANY info that you guys could add would be greatly appreciated

Maplewood is like central jerseys. like by Verrazano bridge. 10 min from there i think

MattMeyerBud

12-21-2011, 10:32 AM

im not sure of maplewoods public transportation - pretty sure its a good town if u want to get some crack rocks though

Kase-1

12-21-2011, 10:36 AM

Calling all NJ thread members, 1 of my boys is gonna be in Maplewood, NJ and he's coming to the game on Saturday but he has no ride. We were thinking of having him take a train to the stadium but it doesnt get there early enough. BTW we're taking the GWB to the NJTPK to the Stadium

1. Where is Maplewood??
2. Do they have trains running north?
3. Is it close enough where he could take a cab to the gates and walk in.... (Kase-1 had to do that when he left his tix in his car parked in Clifton NJ, LOL)
4. Are there buses that go from Maplewood area up to the stadium???

ANY info that you guys could add would be greatly appreciated

Maplewood is like central jerseys. like by Verrazano bridge. 10 min from there i think

Verazanno connects Brooklyn and Staten Island, LOL, just had to bust balls

Yea I saw on Mapquest that its south/west of Newark, 16 or so miles from the stadium

Anyone from that Area of NJ?? I was hoping my boy could either take a cab from Maplewood or take a train/bus north and then cab it to the gates

MattMeyerBud

12-21-2011, 10:37 AM

Calling all NJ thread members, 1 of my boys is gonna be in Maplewood, NJ and he's coming to the game on Saturday but he has no ride. We were thinking of having him take a train to the stadium but it doesnt get there early enough. BTW we're taking the GWB to the NJTPK to the Stadium

1. Where is Maplewood??
2. Do they have trains running north?
3. Is it close enough where he could take a cab to the gates and walk in.... (Kase-1 had to do that when he left his tix in his car parked in Clifton NJ, LOL)
4. Are there buses that go from Maplewood area up to the stadium???

ANY info that you guys could add would be greatly appreciated

Maplewood is like central jerseys. like by Verrazano bridge. 10 min from there i think

Verazanno connects Brooklyn and Staten Island, LOL, just had to bust balls

Yea I saw on Mapquest that its south/west of Newark, 16 or so miles from the stadium

Anyone from that Area of NJ?? I was hoping my boy could either take a cab from Maplewood or take a train/bus north and then cab it to the gates

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. not hakeeeem!!!
Matt-Was that a chrome Mini-helmet, it looks shiny. If so there were only 2000 of those made.

na bought it for like $30 bucks at the sports store...

If i could of charge it they had an Ahmad Bradshaw for $75. I would of just got that and had Nicks sign on the other hand
I met Bradshaw and Aaron Ross in Ross's first year with us down in Scarsdale at a signing. AR and AB sigs are on same helmet with that **** running back we had....Rueben droughns--I can't remember his name....lolHEY HEY, anyone on the 07 team is a GOLDEN GOD. understand?

no but really he was ok. his yard avg. sucked but everything else was ok. 6 tds for a 3rd string back is great. 27 first downs...
Did I get his name right? eeehhhh, yeah that's not bad for 3rd in place. Regarding 07...I had a sad feeling Sunday night, of course it was combined with the way the Giant's played the skins. I could possibly never see another championship in my lifetime. That in mind, I'm glad I lived up that entire year after our SB 42 victory to it's fullest.

bet u said the same thing after the Minny game in 07 ;)
Yeah-anything is possible right?

lttaylor56

12-21-2011, 11:02 AM

I think Pizzlestick must be down south this week.

Kase-1

12-21-2011, 11:04 AM

im not sure of maplewoods public transportation - pretty sure its a good town if u want to get some crack rocks though
LMAO

It pains me to say this, but I feel like Keller may be the best play considering how<font color="#FF0000"> great </font>we do against TE's this season not named Witten, LOL
I go with that too. Your in the finals in that league? Good Job

Kase-1

12-21-2011, 02:23 PM

Quick Fantasy FB question, I have Ballard in one of my other leagues and no backup TE. The best buys out there are

It pains me to say this, but I feel like Keller may be the best play considering how<font color="#FF0000"> great </font>we do against TE's this season not named Witten, LOL
I go with that too. Your in the finals in that league? Good JobI wish, im in the losers bracket in that league as well.

In each league my teams didnt turn it on til mid-season. In the league I was asking about I didnt get my blockbuster trade til week 11

I got Romo, MJD, and Brandon Marshall for Frank Gore

patsrule666

12-21-2011, 03:20 PM

Quick Fantasy FB question, I have Ballard in one of my other leagues and no backup TE.* The best buys out there are

It pains me to say this, but I feel like Keller may be the best play considering how<font color="#FF0000"> great </font>we do against TE's this season not named Witten, LOL
Yup, i would go with Keller as well. I think your better DB's will be tied up with Plax and Holme's and i dont think you guys have a LB that can hang with Kell......Oh Happy Happy Hanukkah, drink Gin and Tonikkah, smoke plenty of Mariuanikkah...............

lttaylor56

12-21-2011, 03:24 PM

Quick Fantasy FB question, I have Ballard in one of my other leagues and no backup TE.* The best buys out there are

It pains me to say this, but I feel like Keller may be the best play considering how<font color="#FF0000"> great </font>we do against TE's this season not named Witten, LOL
Yup, i would go with Keller as well. I think your better DB's will be tied up with Plax and Holme's and i dont think you guys have a LB that can hang with Kell......Oh Happy Happy Hanukkah, drink Gin and Tonikkah, smoke plenty of Mariuanikkah...............lol-Have a happy, happy, happy, happy Hanukkah.

Kase-1

12-21-2011, 03:37 PM

Quick Fantasy FB question, I have Ballard in one of my other leagues and no backup TE. The best buys out there are

It pains me to say this, but I feel like Keller may be the best play considering how<font color="#FF0000"> great </font>we do against TE's this season not named Witten, LOL
Yup, i would go with Keller as well. I think your better DB's will be tied up with Plax and Holme's and i dont think you guys have a LB that can hang with Kell......Oh Happy Happy Hanukkah, drink Gin and Tonikkah, smoke plenty of Mariuanikkah...............
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/Simpson/ojsimpson.jpg

Byron--If you around...my latest project. What gauge wire would you run for a 240 volt service running 42 amps at full load. Total run distance is probably no more than 30 feet. I always err on safety side and am thinking 6 gauge?

lttaylor56

12-21-2011, 03:48 PM

Quick Fantasy FB question, I have Ballard in one of my other leagues and no backup TE.* The best buys out there are

It pains me to say this, but I feel like Keller may be the best play considering how<font color="#FF0000"> great </font>we do against TE's this season not named Witten, LOL
Yup, i would go with Keller as well. I think your better DB's will be tied up with Plax and Holme's and i dont think you guys have a LB that can hang with Kell......Oh Happy Happy Hanukkah, drink Gin and Tonikkah, smoke plenty of Mariuanikkah...............
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/Simpson/ojsimpson.jpg

<h6 class="uiStreamMessage uiStreamHeadline">In Reese We Trust (http://www.facebook.com/pages/In-Reese-We-Trust/204765974855)</h6><h6 class="uiStreamMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:1}"><span class="messageBody" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:3}">Brandon
Jacobs (in response to Rex Ryans comments about) if Jets win they'll own
NY: "They’re going to need a hell of a lot more than this game to make
that happen."</span></h6>

lttaylor56

12-21-2011, 04:12 PM

<h6 class="uiStreamMessage uiStreamHeadline">In Reese We Trust (http://www.facebook.com/pages/In-Reese-We-Trust/204765974855)</h6><h6 class="uiStreamMessage" data-ft="{"type":1}"><span class="messageBody" data-ft="{"type":3}">Brandon
Jacobs (in response to Rex Ryans comments about) if Jets win they'll own
NY: "They’re going to need a hell of a lot more than this game to make
that happen."</span></h6>Yesterday -Rex said that it was ridiculous for NYG to even consider that they were better than the jets because NYG has not made playoffs in 3 years and the Jets have gone to afc champ game 2 consecutive years. I hate that guy. Joe Namath is the only person who ever brought that team a championship and Rex also made some not so nice references to Joe earlier this season. Did I say I hate Rex?

byron

12-21-2011, 06:57 PM

Byron--If you around...my latest project. What gauge wire would you run for a 240 volt service running 42 amps at full load. Total run distance is probably no more than 30 feet. I always err on safety side and am thinking 6 gauge? I believe #6 aluminumas well... it covers up to50amps that's what a kitchen stove takes</P>

</P>

lttaylor56

12-22-2011, 10:10 AM

Byron--If you around...my latest project. What gauge wire would you run for a 240 volt service running 42 amps at full load. Total run distance is probably no more than 30 feet. I always err on safety side and am thinking 6 gauge? I believe #6 aluminum*as well... it covers up to*50amps that's what a kitchen stove takes*</P>

*</P>Thanks Buddy--Good luck in the finals---You are a dominant force this year, next year you should strive for the perfect season!

Morehead State

12-22-2011, 10:14 AM

Byron--If you around...my latest project. What gauge wire would you run for a 240 volt service running 42 amps at full load. Total run distance is probably no more than 30 feet. I always err on safety side and am thinking 6 gauge? I believe #6 aluminumas well... it covers up to50amps that's what a kitchen stove takes</P>

</P>

Thanks Buddy--Good luck in the finals---You are a dominant force this year, next year you should strive for the perfect season!</P>

What about Morehead?</P>

Everyone is rooting for Goliath over David.</P>

<FONT size=4>FIGHT THE POWER!!!!!!!</FONT></P>

Kase-1

12-22-2011, 11:16 AM

Byron--If you around...my latest project. What gauge wire would you run for a 240 volt service running 42 amps at full load. Total run distance is probably no more than 30 feet. I always err on safety side and am thinking 6 gauge? I believe #6 aluminumas well... it covers up to50amps that's what a kitchen stove takes</p>

</p>

Thanks Buddy--Good luck in the finals---You are a dominant force this year, next year you should strive for the perfect season!</p>

Byron--If you around...my latest project. What gauge wire would you run for a 240 volt service running 42 amps at full load. Total run distance is probably no more than 30 feet. I always err on safety side and am thinking 6 gauge? I believe #6 aluminum*as well... it covers up to*50amps that's what a kitchen stove takes*</P>

*</P>

Thanks Buddy--Good luck in the finals---You are a dominant force this year, next year you should strive for the perfect season!</P>

What about Morehead?</P>

Everyone is rooting for Goliath over David.</P>

<FONT size=4>FIGHT THE POWER!!!!!!!</FONT></P>Chris -very impressive what you did with this season as well. Congrats! Who knows, could always be an upset.

So Floyd Mayweather is sentenced to 90days in lockup for domestic abuse, he'll miss the scheduled date promoters put aside for the Pacquiao vs Mayweather date. Even if Mayweather gets a cut sentence they gotta re-apply for a license, both fighters will be over 35yrs old, and HOPEFULLY they could get a date before the 2012 Holiday season

So Floyd Mayweather is sentenced to 90days in lockup for domestic abuse, he'll miss the scheduled date promoters put aside for the Pacquiao vs Mayweather date.* Even if Mayweather gets a cut sentence they gotta re-apply for a license, both fighters will be over 35yrs old, and HOPEFULLY they could get a date before the 2012 Holiday season

ARGH, what happened to boxing!?!?!

RA Tha Rugged Man - Boxing Freestyle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw0WPiYist8)
That sucks, if his hoe didn't get out of line, there would have been no interruption to the fight schedule. lol.

lttaylor56

12-22-2011, 12:04 PM

So Floyd Mayweather is sentenced to 90days in lockup for domestic abuse, he'll miss the scheduled date promoters put aside for the Pacquiao vs Mayweather date.* Even if Mayweather gets a cut sentence they gotta re-apply for a license, both fighters will be over 35yrs old, and HOPEFULLY they could get a date before the 2012 Holiday season

ARGH, what happened to boxing!?!?!

RA Tha Rugged Man - Boxing Freestyle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw0WPiYist8)
That sucks, if his hoe didn't get out of line, there would have been no interruption to the fight schedule. lol.Cool pics from RA. The Spinks shot was hilarious

dezzzR

12-22-2011, 12:12 PM

So Floyd Mayweather is sentenced to 90days in lockup for domestic abuse, he'll miss the scheduled date promoters put aside for the Pacquiao vs Mayweather date. Even if Mayweather gets a cut sentence they gotta re-apply for a license, both fighters will be over 35yrs old, and HOPEFULLY they could get a date before the 2012 Holiday season

ARGH, what happened to boxing!?!?!

RA Tha Rugged Man - Boxing Freestyle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw0WPiYist8)
and it will be over a year since floyds last fight. pac mans going to eat him up.

RA, whats the lesson for the day?

lttaylor56

12-22-2011, 12:31 PM

So Floyd Mayweather is sentenced to 90days in lockup for domestic abuse, he'll miss the scheduled date promoters put aside for the Pacquiao vs Mayweather date.* Even if Mayweather gets a cut sentence they gotta re-apply for a license, both fighters will be over 35yrs old, and HOPEFULLY they could get a date before the 2012 Holiday season

ARGH, what happened to boxing!?!?!

RA Tha Rugged Man - Boxing Freestyle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw0WPiYist8)
and it will be over a year since floyds last fight. pac mans going to eat him up.

RA, whats the lesson for the day?
Was wondering where you where today? Anyone know how Lando's wife did with surgery?

So Floyd Mayweather is sentenced to 90days in lockup for domestic abuse, he'll miss the scheduled date promoters put aside for the Pacquiao vs Mayweather date. Even if Mayweather gets a cut sentence they gotta re-apply for a license, both fighters will be over 35yrs old, and HOPEFULLY they could get a date before the 2012 Holiday season

ARGH, what happened to boxing!?!?!

RA Tha Rugged Man - Boxing Freestyle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw0WPiYist8)
That sucks, if his hoe didn't get out of line, there would have been no interruption to the fight schedule. lol.Cool pics from RA. The Spinks shot was hilariousYea there are some nice shots in there.

RA is quite the boxing fan, he was on the radio and straight up clowned Money Mayweather, I love the boxing freestyle but Im kinda suprised he didnt say anything about James Butler killing Max Kellerman's brother.

Edit: RA Tha Rugged Man calling out Money Mayweather on the Radio (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM8U8rbOpI4&amp;feature=related)

Yeah I'd believe it, you can see it, not that they aren't good looking but you can just see that somethings not quite right :P

Kase-1

12-22-2011, 12:58 PM

So Floyd Mayweather is sentenced to 90days in lockup for domestic abuse, he'll miss the scheduled date promoters put aside for the Pacquiao vs Mayweather date. Even if Mayweather gets a cut sentence they gotta re-apply for a license, both fighters will be over 35yrs old, and HOPEFULLY they could get a date before the 2012 Holiday season

ARGH, what happened to boxing!?!?!

RA Tha Rugged Man - Boxing Freestyle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw0WPiYist8)
and it will be over a year since floyds last fight. pac mans going to eat him up.

RA, whats the lesson for the day?
Rugged man, rugged man.....

If floyd fights Pac-Man without a fight inbetween, he's gonna get spanked. If they would have fought on the May date they had put aside then it would be a nice even fight (Mayweather's counter-punching is 2nd to none)

Yeah I'd believe it, you can see it, not that they aren't good looking but you can just see that somethings not quite right :P
Dammm straight, but at this stage of the game, your doing pretty good if you have some of that above--lol.

Yeah I'd believe it, you can see it, not that they aren't good looking but you can just see that somethings not quite right :P
Kase-1 GO SMOOSH SMOOSH!!!!

Im a sucker for a good looking cougar, LOL

dezzzR

12-22-2011, 01:19 PM

So Floyd Mayweather is sentenced to 90days in lockup for domestic abuse, he'll miss the scheduled date promoters put aside for the Pacquiao vs Mayweather date. Even if Mayweather gets a cut sentence they gotta re-apply for a license, both fighters will be over 35yrs old, and HOPEFULLY they could get a date before the 2012 Holiday season

ARGH, what happened to boxing!?!?!

RA Tha Rugged Man - Boxing Freestyle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw0WPiYist8)
That sucks, if his hoe didn't get out of line, there would have been no interruption to the fight schedule. lol.Cool pics from RA. The Spinks shot was hilariousYea there are some nice shots in there.

RA is quite the boxing fan, he was on the radio and straight up clowned Money Mayweather, I love the boxing freestyle but Im kinda suprised he didnt say anything about James Butler killing Max Kellerman's brother.

Edit: RA Tha Rugged Man calling out Money Mayweather on the Radio (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM8U8rbOpI4&amp;feature=related)
lol yea i herd that. RA made him look like a *****. he was so calm the whole time, floyd was fliiiipin. " you sound confused floyd" lmao. RA knows his boxing.

RA- You have 35 fights.........Archie Moore has 135 KOS
Floyd- I dont need to do all that.

bahahahaha dooooooooooone.

Kase-1

12-22-2011, 01:26 PM

So Floyd Mayweather is sentenced to 90days in lockup for domestic abuse, he'll miss the scheduled date promoters put aside for the Pacquiao vs Mayweather date. Even if Mayweather gets a cut sentence they gotta re-apply for a license, both fighters will be over 35yrs old, and HOPEFULLY they could get a date before the 2012 Holiday season

ARGH, what happened to boxing!?!?!

RA Tha Rugged Man - Boxing Freestyle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw0WPiYist8)
That sucks, if his hoe didn't get out of line, there would have been no interruption to the fight schedule. lol.Cool pics from RA. The Spinks shot was hilariousYea there are some nice shots in there.

RA is quite the boxing fan, he was on the radio and straight up clowned Money Mayweather, I love the boxing freestyle but Im kinda suprised he didnt say anything about James Butler killing Max Kellerman's brother.

Edit: RA Tha Rugged Man calling out Money Mayweather on the Radio (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM8U8rbOpI4&amp;feature=related)
lol yea i herd that. RA made him look like a *****. he was so calm the whole time, floyd was fliiiipin. " you sound confused floyd" lmao. RA knows his boxing.

RA- You have 35 fights.........Archie Moore has 135 KOS
Floyd- I dont need to do all that.

bahahahaha dooooooooooone.
Yea that was something else..... Floyd had nothing to say to that

He's got a TON of Talent (like RA said) but he doesnt have the fights

Ugh, and I guess you can consider me a Mayweather 'fan', well until this whole domestic abuse thing. Im NOT down with wife or child beaters

....On that note, I hope Boley is just wrongly accused, LOL

lttaylor56

12-22-2011, 02:05 PM

Very nice catered Holiday luncheon for us today!! This is a great time of year....and food/drink wise it will get progressively better over the next 3 days-Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Morehead State

12-22-2011, 02:09 PM

Byron--If you around...my latest project. What gauge wire would you run for a 240 volt service running 42 amps at full load. Total run distance is probably no more than 30 feet. I always err on safety side and am thinking 6 gauge? I believe #6 aluminumas well... it covers up to50amps that's what a kitchen stove takes</P>

</P>

Thanks Buddy--Good luck in the finals---You are a dominant force this year, next year you should strive for the perfect season!</P>

What about Morehead?</P>

Everyone is rooting for Goliath over David.</P>

<FONT size=4>FIGHT THE POWER!!!!!!!</FONT></P>

Chris -very impressive what you did with this season as well. Congrats! Who knows, could always be an upset.</P>

I guess it IS possible that Byron beats me.</P>

Morehead State

12-22-2011, 02:25 PM

This sucks. I couldn't get Lando to talk any smack and it seems that Byron won't either.</P>

I can't believe I'm saying this but why can't people be more like Matt?</P>

lttaylor56

12-22-2011, 03:06 PM

Byron--If you around...my latest project. What gauge wire would you run for a 240 volt service running 42 amps at full load. Total run distance is probably no more than 30 feet. I always err on safety side and am thinking 6 gauge? I believe #6 aluminum*as well... it covers up to*50amps that's what a kitchen stove takes*</P>

*</P>

Thanks Buddy--Good luck in the finals---You are a dominant force this year, next year you should strive for the perfect season!</P>

What about Morehead?</P>

Everyone is rooting for Goliath over David.</P>

<FONT size=4>FIGHT THE POWER!!!!!!!</FONT></P>

Chris -very impressive what you did with this season as well. Congrats! Who knows, could always be an upset.</P>

I guess it IS possible that Byron beats me.</P>The true measure of a champion, never even acknowledging that defeat is possible. See? you miss Matt don't ya?

MattMeyerBud

12-23-2011, 09:07 AM

Rex Ryan coached as DC at Morehead State.

Thats now two loudmouths i know affiliated wtih the college

MattMeyerBud

12-23-2011, 09:20 AM

bad news about the giants this week from my guy

PM me if u want to know. I can't put it in here

MattMeyerBud

12-23-2011, 09:33 AM

This sucks. I couldn't get Lando to talk any smack and it seems that Byron won't either.</p>

I can't believe I'm saying this but why can't people be more like Matt?</p>

i know nothing about basketball to really be effective with fantasy hoops but bet ur *** I am talking as much **** as possible

3 finals this week in fantasy football

LETS GOOOOOO

Kase-1

12-23-2011, 10:30 AM

Very nice catered Holiday luncheon for us today!! This is a great time of year....and food/drink wise it will get progressively better over the next 3 days-Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!! C'mon with all of us fat boys in THEE thread, you didnt even tell us what u had!?!?!?

BIG week in Fantasy FB, I wish my WRs didnt suck so much, LOL

MattMeyerBud

12-23-2011, 10:31 AM

Very nice catered Holiday luncheon for us today!! This is a great time of year....and food/drink wise it will get progressively better over the next 3 days-Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!! C'mon with all of us fat boys in THEE thread, you didnt even tell us what u had!?!?!?

BIG week in Fantasy FB, I wish my WRs didnt suck so much, LOL

who do u have

lttaylor56

12-23-2011, 10:35 AM

I cannot take any bad news about our team going into this game tomorrow that I already have unsure feeling about.

MattMeyerBud

12-23-2011, 10:36 AM

I cannot take any bad news about our team going into this game tomorrow that I already have unsure feeling about.

then don't PM me

lttaylor56

12-23-2011, 10:41 AM

Very nice catered Holiday luncheon for us today!! This is a great time of year....and food/drink wise it will get progressively better over the next 3 days-Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!! C'mon with all of us fat boys in THEE thread, you didnt even tell us what u had!?!?!?

BIG week in Fantasy FB, I wish my WRs didnt suck so much, LOL

who do u have
hahah--Not gourmet, but good stuff. Ziti, meatballs(oh so good), roast beef, cut nice & thin, chicken parm, salad, water, xmas cookies and a chocolate peanut butter candy. I was so full , my eyes were literally closing afterwards. lol.

Kase-1

12-23-2011, 10:41 AM

Very nice catered Holiday luncheon for us today!! This is a great time of year....and food/drink wise it will get progressively better over the next 3 days-Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!! C'mon with all of us fat boys in THEE thread, you didnt even tell us what u had!?!?!?

BIG week in Fantasy FB, I wish my WRs didnt suck so much, LOL

who do u have
Well the WRs I have in our league are just trash. Bowe, Holmes, and Manningham.... Thank goodness I have gangsta-*** RB's, LOL

So I waited to see if any new TEs would end up on the waiver wire in my other league, but onlything that hppened is that the guy im playing this week took Keller and he doesnt evn need him. Bastage only did it to F' me over.... DAMNIT!!!

I cannot take any bad news about our team going into this game tomorrow that I already have unsure feeling about.

then don't PM me
I texted you--will pm if you prefer. Like a car wreck, I gotta know.

lttaylor56

12-23-2011, 10:43 AM

I cannot take any bad news about our team going into this game tomorrow that I already have unsure feeling about.

then don't PM me
I texted you--will pm if you prefer. Like a car wreck, I gotta know.I so wish that we are not going to hand Dallas this division on a decorated silver plater?

lttaylor56

12-23-2011, 10:45 AM

I cannot take any bad news about our team going into this game tomorrow that I already have unsure feeling about.

then don't PM me
I texted you--will pm if you prefer. Like a car wreck, I gotta know.I so wish that we are not going to hand Dallas this division on a decorated silver plater?

lttaylor56

12-23-2011, 10:47 AM

One of the opportunities that night, to turn our season in the right direction.
http://ph.cdn.photos.upi.com/collection/upi/bb4ab1e721ae5baff6f8a8c480ab465c/Green-Bay-Packers-Morgan-Burnett-plays-defense-as-New-York-Giants-Jake-Ballard-at-MetLife-Stadium-in-New-Jersey_3.jpg

lttaylor56

12-23-2011, 10:49 AM

Eli is a bad ***!
http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Erik+Walden+Green+Bay+Packers+v+New+York+Giants+Q-Jk0Egr3_Tl.jpg

MattMeyerBud

12-23-2011, 10:53 AM

Very nice catered Holiday luncheon for us today!! This is a great time of year....and food/drink wise it will get progressively better over the next 3 days-Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!! C'mon with all of us fat boys in THEE thread, you didnt even tell us what u had!?!?!?

BIG week in Fantasy FB, I wish my WRs didnt suck so much, LOL

who do u have
Well the WRs I have in our league are just trash. Bowe, Holmes, and Manningham.... Thank goodness I have gangsta-*** RB's, LOL

So I waited to see if any new TEs would end up on the waiver wire in my other league, but onlything that hppened is that the guy im playing this week took Keller and he doesnt evn need him. Bastage only did it to F' me over.... DAMNIT!!!

Bowe - with a week with Orten now. Coming off a big win, Orten will def target him and he could have a big day

u have to love the air show that will probably happen tom in our game

MattMeyerBud

12-23-2011, 11:02 AM

I cannot take any bad news about our team going into this game tomorrow that I already have unsure feeling about.

then don't PM me
I texted you--will pm if you prefer. Like a car wreck, I gotta know.I so wish that we are not going to hand Dallas this division on a decorated silver plater?

responded

dezzzR

12-23-2011, 11:03 AM

I cannot take any bad news about our team going into this game tomorrow that I already have unsure feeling about.

then don't PM me
I texted you--will pm if you prefer. Like a car wreck, I gotta know.I so wish that we are not going to hand Dallas this division on a decorated silver plater?im finding it hard to get excited about the jets game. even if we make the playoffs, we are not good enough.

MattMeyerBud

12-23-2011, 11:08 AM

I cannot take any bad news about our team going into this game tomorrow that I already have unsure feeling about.

then don't PM me
I texted you--will pm if you prefer. Like a car wreck, I gotta know.I so wish that we are not going to hand Dallas this division on a decorated silver plater?im finding it hard to get excited about the jets game. even if we make the playoffs, we are not good enough.

thats fine

but then take pride in not letting these loud mouth pieces of **** talk **** about how they run NY.

Then take pride that if we win we knock the Eagles and Jets out...

u better get amped. I don't think i've ever been more excited for a reg season game. Its bubbling in my stomach

dezzzR

12-23-2011, 11:18 AM

I cannot take any bad news about our team going into this game tomorrow that I already have unsure feeling about.

then don't PM me
I texted you--will pm if you prefer. Like a car wreck, I gotta know.I so wish that we are not going to hand Dallas this division on a decorated silver plater?im finding it hard to get excited about the jets game. even if we make the playoffs, we are not good enough.

thats fine

but then take pride in not letting these loud mouth pieces of **** talk **** about how they run NY.

Then take pride that if we win we knock the Eagles and Jets out...

<u>
u better get amped. I don't think i've ever been more excited for a reg season game. Its bubbling in my stomach</u>
ill be amped before kickoff. but anxious and excited the whole week, havnt felt that since the week of opening day.

honestly how/why the hell are you always so optimistic about this team? especially after brutal losses. lol

dezzzR

12-23-2011, 11:19 AM

priest: you may now kiss the bride...

peter griffen: kiss her? im going to deeesstrooy her.

lmao

Kase-1

12-23-2011, 11:25 AM

I cannot take any bad news about our team going into this game tomorrow that I already have unsure feeling about.

then don't PM me
I texted you--will pm if you prefer. Like a car wreck, I gotta know.I so wish that we are not going to hand Dallas this division on a decorated silver plater?im finding it hard to get excited about the jets game. even if we make the playoffs, we are not good enough.
http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/oct2009/5/1/al-martino-pic-getty-image-1-23907796.jpg

<font size="5">ACT'A LIKE A MAN!!!!!</font>

lttaylor56

12-23-2011, 11:27 AM

I cannot take any bad news about our team going into this game tomorrow that I already have unsure feeling about.

then don't PM me
I texted you--will pm if you prefer. Like a car wreck, I gotta know.I so wish that we are not going to hand Dallas this division on a decorated silver plater?im finding it hard to get excited about the jets game. even if we make the playoffs, we are not good enough.

thats fine

but then take pride in not letting these loud mouth pieces of **** talk **** about how they run NY.

Then take pride that if we win we knock the Eagles and Jets out...

<u>
u better get amped. I don't think i've ever been more excited for a reg season game. Its bubbling in my stomach</u>
ill be amped before kickoff. but anxious and excited the whole week, havnt felt that since the week of opening day.

honestly how/why the hell are you always so optimistic about this team? especially after brutal losses. lol
I guess it is amped that I am about this game, but all week it has made me feel sick to my stomach. I have not been more disturbed or concerned about a game like this in a long time. I think If we did not lay an egg last week, it would of been a little easier this week.

lttaylor56

12-23-2011, 11:29 AM

I cannot take any bad news about our team going into this game tomorrow that I already have unsure feeling about.

then don't PM me
I texted you--will pm if you prefer. Like a car wreck, I gotta know.I so wish that we are not going to hand Dallas this division on a decorated silver plater?im finding it hard to get excited about the jets game. even if we make the playoffs, we are not good enough.
http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/oct2009/5/1/al-martino-pic-getty-image-1-23907796.jpg

<font size="5">ACT'A LIKE A MAN!!!!!</font>
Good point, it's time to tighten the chin strap and kick ***. If they fight to the bitter end, at least I can feel better than last week.

Kase-1

12-23-2011, 11:33 AM

Since the holiday season is in full effect and all this weak Christmas music is all around so I figured id bless my hip hop heads with a little Christmas Music

Run DMC- Christmas In Hollis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR07r0ZMFb8)

I cannot take any bad news about our team going into this game tomorrow that I already have unsure feeling about.

then don't PM me
I texted you--will pm if you prefer. Like a car wreck, I gotta know.I so wish that we are not going to hand Dallas this division on a decorated silver plater?im finding it hard to get excited about the jets game. even if we make the playoffs, we are not good enough.

thats fine

but then take pride in not letting these loud mouth pieces of **** talk **** about how they run NY.

Then take pride that if we win we knock the Eagles and Jets out...

<u>
u better get amped. I don't think i've ever been more excited for a reg season game. Its bubbling in my stomach</u>
ill be amped before kickoff. but anxious and excited the whole week, havnt felt that since the week of opening day.

honestly how/why the hell are you always so optimistic about this team? especially after brutal losses. lol

for the same reason after we beat dallas everybodies tune changed. Im realistic enough to know that one win can change things. Its all about just getting IN the playoffs. Playoffs are a different season. Just claw to get there

dezzzR

12-23-2011, 11:37 AM

I cannot take any bad news about our team going into this game tomorrow that I already have unsure feeling about.

then don't PM me
I texted you--will pm if you prefer. Like a car wreck, I gotta know.I so wish that we are not going to hand Dallas this division on a decorated silver plater?im finding it hard to get excited about the jets game. even if we make the playoffs, we are not good enough.
http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/oct2009/5/1/al-martino-pic-getty-image-1-23907796.jpg

<font size="5">ACT'A LIKE A MAN!!!!!</font>
tell that to the giants!! boohooing on the sidelines like women, thats not giants football

Kase-1

12-23-2011, 11:37 AM

I cannot take any bad news about our team going into this game tomorrow that I already have unsure feeling about.

then don't PM me
I texted you--will pm if you prefer. Like a car wreck, I gotta know.I so wish that we are not going to hand Dallas this division on a decorated silver plater?im finding it hard to get excited about the jets game. even if we make the playoffs, we are not good enough.

thats fine

but then take pride in not letting these loud mouth pieces of **** talk **** about how they run NY.

Then take pride that if we win we knock the Eagles and Jets out...

<u>
u better get amped. I don't think i've ever been more excited for a reg season game. Its bubbling in my stomach</u>
ill be amped before kickoff. but anxious and excited the whole week, havnt felt that since the week of opening day.

honestly how/why the hell are you always so optimistic about this team? especially after brutal losses. lol
I guess it is amped that I am about this game, but all week it has made me feel sick to my stomach. I have not been more disturbed or concerned about a game like this in a long time. I think If we did not lay an egg last week, it would of been a little easier this week.Yea it doesnt help that we're coming into this game losing the last 5/6 but it doesnt matter what our record is. Every Giants game I always go into the game thinking we got a chance

lttaylor56

12-23-2011, 11:37 AM

Since the holiday season is in full effect and all this weak Christmas music is all around so I figured id bless my hip hop heads with a little Christmas Music

Run DMC- Christmas In Hollis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR07r0ZMFb8)

I cannot take any bad news about our team going into this game tomorrow that I already have unsure feeling about.

then don't PM me
I texted you--will pm if you prefer. Like a car wreck, I gotta know.I so wish that we are not going to hand Dallas this division on a decorated silver plater?im finding it hard to get excited about the jets game. even if we make the playoffs, we are not good enough.
http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/oct2009/5/1/al-martino-pic-getty-image-1-23907796.jpg

<font size="5">ACT'A LIKE A MAN!!!!!</font>
tell that to the giants!! boohooing on the sidelines like women, thats not giants football
If I could re-create the Johnny Fontane scene from 'The godfather' with a collective slap going to our team rather than Johnny Fontane I would be layin the smacketh down

I cannot take any bad news about our team going into this game tomorrow that I already have unsure feeling about.

then don't PM me
I texted you--will pm if you prefer. Like a car wreck, I gotta know.I so wish that we are not going to hand Dallas this division on a decorated silver plater?im finding it hard to get excited about the jets game. even if we make the playoffs, we are not good enough.

thats fine

but then take pride in not letting these loud mouth pieces of **** talk **** about how they run NY.

Then take pride that if we win we knock the Eagles and Jets out...

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u better get amped. I don't think i've ever been more excited for a reg season game. Its bubbling in my stomach</u>
ill be amped before kickoff. but anxious and excited the whole week, havnt felt that since the week of opening day.

honestly how/why the hell are you always so optimistic about this team? especially after brutal losses. lol

for the same reason after we beat dallas everybodies tune changed. Im realistic enough to know that one win can change things. Its all about just getting IN the playoffs. Playoffs are a different season.* Just claw to get there
I need you guy's with this mentality to slap me in the face and wake me up. I know all of this, but this week has been exceptionally hard for me to not fold into a negative nancy. I don't want to bring us down, so I'm reaching up now and hanging my hat on the season...in 26 hours I pray with all my giants strength that we beat the Jet's ***. I may need a drink at home for this one!

lttaylor56

12-23-2011, 11:43 AM

I cannot take any bad news about our team going into this game tomorrow that I already have unsure feeling about.

then don't PM me
I texted you--will pm if you prefer. Like a car wreck, I gotta know.I so wish that we are not going to hand Dallas this division on a decorated silver plater?im finding it hard to get excited about the jets game. even if we make the playoffs, we are not good enough.
http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/oct2009/5/1/al-martino-pic-getty-image-1-23907796.jpg

<font size="5">ACT'A LIKE A MAN!!!!!</font>
tell that to the giants!! boohooing on the sidelines like women, thats not giants football
If I could re-create the Johnny Fontane scene from 'The godfather' with a collective slap going to our team rather than Johnny Fontane I would be layin the smacketh down

http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsE/43276.gif
WHERE MAH POWDER!?!?!?!
I would blare the Any given sunday speech thru the Timex speakers all day today.

Kase-1

12-23-2011, 11:43 AM

Since the holiday season is in full effect and all this weak Christmas music is all around so I figured id bless my hip hop heads with a little Christmas Music

Run DMC- Christmas In Hollis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR07r0ZMFb8)

Kurtis Blow - Christmas Rappin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFtA7IHZgzw)
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lmao, thanks Kase man!When I had my radio show back in college I used to do a whole Hip Hop Christmas episode each year. The 1st year I did it cause I was sick of hearing all the crap in Target and places like that, people LOVED it and it was getting done each season