Wow, that looks like The Thing! (The movie with Kurt Russel, not the Marvel character)

For sure! I think Clayface would be truly an awesome villain- a bit of a sympathetic sap (I'm imagining him being a little like Marv from Sin City), with a combination of the cool factors of the T-1000 and The Thing.

For sure! I think Clayface would be truly an awesome villain- a bit of a sympathetic sap (I'm imagining him being a little like Marv from Sin City), with a combination of the cool factors of the T-1000 and The Thing.

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There are always tons of things to enjoy and do. Every day can be an adventure.

My answer to the inquiry is yes. I love the Nolan films dearly (he's one of
my directing heroes,) but they need to depart from the secularizing mindset. Arkham Origins would be a terrific example to use, in terms of balancing the fantastic v. secularized tension.

My answer to the inquiry is yes. I love the Nolan films dearly (he's one of
my directing heroes,) but they need to depart from the secularizing mindset. Arkham Origins would be a terrific example to use, in terms of balancing the fantastic v. secularized tension.

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There are always tons of things to enjoy and do. Every day can be an adventure.

Additionally, I would like to see Batman do some detective work. Retire the 'Villain Trying to Destroy Gotham City' plot and focus on Bruce solving a larger mystery. Affleck has directed a detective film before (Gone Baby Gone) and it would be nice having him show off Batman's intellectual prowess. After all, he is the World's Greatest Detective: what we have seen of him onscreen (thus far) is a capable forensic specialist, whose deductions are formed via committee.

Audiences accept plots that are based on the destruction of a locale; considering the super-massive fanbase Sherlock has, it would be that hard to appeal to it. After all, Sherlock (of which the source material informed Batman in his early days) did not pursue a 'destroy the city' plot until the third series. Even though it was added on as an after thought and wink to the comics of Alan Moore.

But, considering how much the studio has rehashed its current "Universe" Properties (Man of Steel was Superman II and Star Trek 09 thrown in a blender) its unlikely we will have an engaging mystery with raised personal stakes. Instead, it will be another Villain X wants to destroy Gotham because of Motivation Y.

Well, if you're bringing Batman into Superman's universe along with Wonder Woman then it's pretty obvious this new Batman will be a fantastical take. It's essentially like Iron Man--- he's fighting alongside a god, a virtually indestructible being, and an ass-kicking woman.

So, yeah, I'd bring in Mr. Freeze, Ventriloquist, Penguin, all those villains Nolan didn't use in fear of being "too campy" or couldn't fit in with his universe. I would like the grittiness and realism of the Nolan movies as far as characters' actions and for Gotham City to feel like a real place, but the villains should be more comic book-like. Joker falls into a vat of chemicals that alters his appearance; Killer Croc looking less like a man and somewhat reptilian; Two-Face having acid thrown in his face; Mr. Freeze using a freeze gun.

I mean it's been years since the Burton and Schumacher movies so there's been a lot of time to get these characters right and not fall into the same holes as what happened before and not make these characters feel gimmicky or 60's Adam West, but look at the Marvel films, for example, they have all these fantastical villains and characters but they all feel like we could see them walking down the street in New York or there is S.H.I.E.L.D. headquarters somewhere... that's what D.C. and Warner Bros. need to do. "Man of Steel" was the start of it. Now, they just need to continue it.

Love that interpretation of Clayface. Yes. They MUST go fantastical. If they intend to embrace the comics fully, they've gotta go fantastical. Batman's universe is supernatural and unrealistic and that's what I love about it.

Love that interpretation of Clayface. Yes. They MUST go fantastical. If they intend to embrace the comics fully, they've gotta go fantastical. Batman's universe is supernatural and unrealistic and that's what I love about it.

Not always.

__________________"Lets make one thing very clear here - Nolan's films are as faithful an adaptation as there is. It pays homage to its source material, remains true to its characters and above all else places the story first and foremost." - jmc

One of Batman's earliest villains was a vampire, an actual vampire, not just some goth nut who files his teeth bites a lot during sex.

So? Since that moment the character and his universe have been principally realistic, and I say this because you can tell the basic about Batman's story without any supernatural element. Personally I think all the important villains (with the exception of Clayface, Man-Bat and Solomon Grundy) can be expressed in realistic terms and their essences wouldn't be altered. Yes, even Mr. Freeze and Poison Ivy. Nolan showed it was possible, and I hope that's the path the next films will take.

So? Since that moment the character and his universe have been principally realistic, and I say this because you can tell the basic about Batman's story without any supernatural element. Personally I think all the important villains (with the exception of Clayface, Man-Bat and Solomon Grundy) can be expressed in realistic terms and their essences wouldn't be altered. Yes, even Mr. Freeze and Poison Ivy. Nolan showed it was possible, and I hope that's the path the next films will take.

I'm just saying there's been a precedent for the supernatural in Batman comics since the year the character was created, ans since then there's been plenty of examples of science fiction and fantasy, plus he shares a universe with the Justice League and the New Gods. Batman has almost always been more out there and surreal than Nolan allowed him to be in his movies. Just because he isn't fighting vampires, demons, gods, mutants, and aliens in every single issue, that doesn't mean they cease to exist whenever a writer decides to do some ultra-gritty, grounded detective story that could work as the plot of a CSI or Law and Order.

I'm just saying there's been a precedent for the supernatural in Batman comics since the year the character was created, ans since then there's been plenty of examples of science fiction and fantasy, plus he shares a universe with the Justice League and the New Gods. Batman has almost always been more out there and surreal than Nolan allowed him to be in his movies. Just because he isn't fighting vampires, demons, gods, mutants, and aliens in every single issue, that doesn't mean they cease to exist whenever a writer decides to do some ultra-gritty, grounded detective story that could work as the plot of a CSI or Law and Order.

But the demons, gods and extraterrestrials provide nothing to the Batman mythos, they're fine to Superman or others fantastic heroes, but Batman is a human and his enemies and the menaces he confronts are also human. For me Batman against a fantastic creature has so much sense as Superman against the Joker or another human psychopath: that is, nothing.

It's true there has been fantastic characters and plots along Batman's story, I'm not gonna deny it, but, in the base, they're dispensable in the path of Bruce Wayne.