THE officer in charge of policing Bradford city centre has pledged to stamp out the growing problem of nuisance street drinkers.

And Inspector Andy Gallant, the newly-appointed head of the Bradford City Area Neighbourhood Team, has pledged his officers will take robust action against those "who cross the line".

He has set up Operation Keyarm in response to concerns about the impact anti-social behaviour by problem drinkers in and around the city centre is having in areas including City Park.

Retailers who sell alcohol in the city centre have already been consulted on the new zero-tolerance approach, and any businesses found contributing to the problem could be stripped of their licences to sell booze.

Insp Gallant said: "It is clear to me that the issue of street drinking is a cause for concern with both the users of the city centre and those that have businesses, and I am making a stance against those that cross the line.

"The police will always look to tackle this issue positively, and anyone found to be acting in an anti-social manner, whether alcohol is involved or not, will be dealt with.

"Operation 'Keyarm' is the first robust leg of a raft of measures that will support those that have alcohol issues, while making it clear that drinking and carrying on will not be tolerated."

Officers in the NPT team have been instructed to use their powers to head-off anti-social behaviour before it occurs rather than wait for situations to escalate and cause greater problems.

They include:

* Issuing direction to leave notices, active for up to 48 hours, to those who are linked with or have a history of causing problems in the city centre when in drink.

* Carrying out regular reassurance patrols by trained officers.

* And reminding off-licences holders of their responsibilities around selling alcohol.

In persistent circumstances, licences will be revoked from businesses seen to be ignoring the campaign for responsible drinking.

Insp Gallant said: "Invigorating this legislation, along with the drinking orders that exist within the city, will be key to a committed approach to tackling the problem.

"As well as making arrests and issuing banning orders, we are also putting street drinkers in touch with rehabilitation services.

"If Bradford is to mature into a city that attracts more visitors and deserved positive perceptions, we must take responsibility to make the environment user-friendly while acknowledging the issues city centres attract.

"I am already grateful for the positive response from businesses in and around the city square, and I will continue to visibly tackle these important issues, working with partners to create sustainable solutions."

The crackdown under 'Operation Keyarm' has already led to a number of arrests this week for people being drunk and disorderly, shoplifting alcohol, breaching bail and anti-social behaviour order conditions, persistent begging, and drinking from open vessels.

The issue will also be brought before a full meeting of Bradford Council next week, with Councillor Simon Cooke, deputy leader of the Conservative group, set to ask what actions are in place to reduce the impact of anti-social street drinking, and the support offered to street drinkers in addressing their problems.

Cllr Cooke said last night: "I agree that police enforcement is needed, but it won't work on its own.

"Simply moving these people on won't work, as they will just come back.

"We need a joined up approach with areas such as public health to try to provide appropriate support to these people."

Referring to incidents in City Park, Councillor Susan Hinchcliffe, the executive member for culture, said: "There have been four million visitors to City Park in the past year, and the percentage of problem incidents is very small.

"However, we do take the issues of drinking and anti-social behaviour seriously and we are working with the police to take decisive action.

"City Park has developed into an award-winning space and we won't allow a few individuals to spoil it."

Here we go again, yet another purge. I just dont understand the reasoning behind letting a situation develop and then announcing a purge to tackle the problem. The same thing happens with untaxed vehicles. Surely the obvious thing would be to not let the situation develop in the first place. I try not to have to go into central Bradford unless absolutely necessary, not a pleasant experience, but the influx of drunks and all manner of dysfunctionals has been going on for years. Is it really necessary to have the office where Young Offenders have to attend, right in the busiest street in Bradford centre?

Here we go again, yet another purge. I just dont understand the reasoning behind letting a situation develop and then announcing a purge to tackle the problem. The same thing happens with untaxed vehicles. Surely the obvious thing would be to not let the situation develop in the first place. I try not to have to go into central Bradford unless absolutely necessary, not a pleasant experience, but the influx of drunks and all manner of dysfunctionals has been going on for years. Is it really necessary to have the office where Young Offenders have to attend, right in the busiest street in Bradford centre?PeterBooth

Shootings and stabbings on a daily basis, car jackings , robbers bursting into peoples homes, idiots fireing air rifles from attic windows and the Police are going to get tough on a few wino's! Well done, I feel a lot safer now.

Shootings and stabbings on a daily basis, car jackings , robbers bursting into peoples homes, idiots fireing air rifles from attic windows and the Police are going to get tough on a few wino's! Well done, I feel a lot safer now.alive and awake

Apart from the obvious 'beggars' around Hustlergate(I don;t mean the Big Issue Seller) she's there in all weathers.......
what about the constant menace of speeding cyclist coming up behind you in the City Park/ down Ivegate/ down Darley Street.no warning......pedestr
ian areas aren't safe anymore

Apart from the obvious 'beggars' around Hustlergate(I don;t mean the Big Issue Seller) she's there in all weathers.......
what about the constant menace of speeding cyclist coming up behind you in the City Park/ down Ivegate/ down Darley Street.no warning......pedestr
ian areas aren't safe anymorejozieme

There should be zero tolerance to this sort anti social behaviour and not just for a month or so. Although I've seen very little of this on our families many visits to Bradford a zero tolerance attitude by the police would certainly be good as it would add to what is in City Park becoming a great area to take families. Any scheme of this nature needs to be long term, this means getting the people involved in this anti social behaviour off the streets and into establishments that can help their problems.

There should be zero tolerance to this sort anti social behaviour and not just for a month or so. Although I've seen very little of this on our families many visits to Bradford a zero tolerance attitude by the police would certainly be good as it would add to what is in City Park becoming a great area to take families. Any scheme of this nature needs to be long term, this means getting the people involved in this anti social behaviour off the streets and into establishments that can help their problems.bcfc1903

bcfc1903 wrote:
There should be zero tolerance to this sort anti social behaviour and not just for a month or so. Although I've seen very little of this on our families many visits to Bradford a zero tolerance attitude by the police would certainly be good as it would add to what is in City Park becoming a great area to take families. Any scheme of this nature needs to be long term, this means getting the people involved in this anti social behaviour off the streets and into establishments that can help their problems.

Your family must be thrilled. Where we going? Bradford. Why? Because your dad is head of media at Bradford Council so I have to be seen to be backing up my rediculous comments on the T&A website on a daily basis. But daddy, Bradford boring there is nothing to do. Thats not so, we can count empty shops and beggars, and clear empty beer cans from the pond.

[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote:
There should be zero tolerance to this sort anti social behaviour and not just for a month or so. Although I've seen very little of this on our families many visits to Bradford a zero tolerance attitude by the police would certainly be good as it would add to what is in City Park becoming a great area to take families. Any scheme of this nature needs to be long term, this means getting the people involved in this anti social behaviour off the streets and into establishments that can help their problems.[/p][/quote]Your family must be thrilled. Where we going? Bradford. Why? Because your dad is head of media at Bradford Council so I have to be seen to be backing up my rediculous comments on the T&A website on a daily basis. But daddy, Bradford boring there is nothing to do. Thats not so, we can count empty shops and beggars, and clear empty beer cans from the pond.Thee Voice of Reason

bcfc1903 wrote:
There should be zero tolerance to this sort anti social behaviour and not just for a month or so. Although I've seen very little of this on our families many visits to Bradford a zero tolerance attitude by the police would certainly be good as it would add to what is in City Park becoming a great area to take families. Any scheme of this nature needs to be long term, this means getting the people involved in this anti social behaviour off the streets and into establishments that can help their problems.

Your family must be thrilled. Where we going? Bradford. Why? Because your dad is head of media at Bradford Council so I have to be seen to be backing up my rediculous comments on the T&amp;A website on a daily basis. But daddy, Bradford boring there is nothing to do. Thats not so, we can count empty shops and beggars, and clear empty beer cans from the pond.

Your so kind, if only I had that job, if it exists.

There should be zero tolerance to this sort anti social behaviour and not just for a month or so. Although I've seen very little of this on our families many visits to Bradford a zero tolerance attitude by the police would certainly be good as it would add to what is in City Park becoming a great area to take families. Any scheme of this nature needs to be long term, this means getting the people involved in this anti social behaviour off the streets and into establishments that can help their problems.

[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote:
There should be zero tolerance to this sort anti social behaviour and not just for a month or so. Although I've seen very little of this on our families many visits to Bradford a zero tolerance attitude by the police would certainly be good as it would add to what is in City Park becoming a great area to take families. Any scheme of this nature needs to be long term, this means getting the people involved in this anti social behaviour off the streets and into establishments that can help their problems.[/p][/quote]Your family must be thrilled. Where we going? Bradford. Why? Because your dad is head of media at Bradford Council so I have to be seen to be backing up my rediculous comments on the T&A website on a daily basis. But daddy, Bradford boring there is nothing to do. Thats not so, we can count empty shops and beggars, and clear empty beer cans from the pond.[/p][/quote]Your so kind, if only I had that job, if it exists.
There should be zero tolerance to this sort anti social behaviour and not just for a month or so. Although I've seen very little of this on our families many visits to Bradford a zero tolerance attitude by the police would certainly be good as it would add to what is in City Park becoming a great area to take families. Any scheme of this nature needs to be long term, this means getting the people involved in this anti social behaviour off the streets and into establishments that can help their problems.bcfc1903

Ive commented before on a similar story and stand by what I say, something needs doing about these people although I doubt anything will be. I find them really intimidating at times, to have them shouting at you about your looks when you have young children with you is discusting Ive been on the recieving end and also witnessed a young girl having hasseled from a group outsisde the alambra.

Like a previous posted as also commented it makes visiting the fountains really off putting.

Also the guys who beg down Forster square and down the cobbled track down to the station they are so rude when you just ignore them

Ive commented before on a similar story and stand by what I say, something needs doing about these people although I doubt anything will be. I find them really intimidating at times, to have them shouting at you about your looks when you have young children with you is discusting Ive been on the recieving end and also witnessed a young girl having hasseled from a group outsisde the alambra.
Like a previous posted as also commented it makes visiting the fountains really off putting.
Also the guys who beg down Forster square and down the cobbled track down to the station they are so rude when you just ignore themBaildon girl

This still going on? It was well documented as a problem 3 years ago when I worked in the centre before I got out and went to Leeds - Looks like virtually nothing has happened in that time. In fairness though, its more the chuggers here that harass you.

This still going on? It was well documented as a problem 3 years ago when I worked in the centre before I got out and went to Leeds - Looks like virtually nothing has happened in that time. In fairness though, its more the chuggers here that harass you.Rambo

Saltaire Bantam wrote:
Why don't the police do something useful and stop the radicalised youths from heading out to Syria/Iraq?

Better still, stop them coming back!

[quote][p][bold]Saltaire Bantam[/bold] wrote:
Why don't the police do something useful and stop the radicalised youths from heading out to Syria/Iraq?[/p][/quote]Better still, stop them coming back!Albion.

The only common thread I can see in the photos accompanying the article is that all the tins being drunk are East European brands of lager!

I'm not sure whether this is a cultural issue or whether these brands are just cheaper for the people who spend their time on the streets drinking booze.

The only common thread I can see in the photos accompanying the article is that all the tins being drunk are East European brands of lager!
I'm not sure whether this is a cultural issue or whether these brands are just cheaper for the people who spend their time on the streets drinking booze.angry bradfordian

Baildon Girl: "Also the guys who beg down Forster square and down the cobbled track down to the station they are so rude when you just ignore them"

HAHAHAHA so when you're rude to them and ignore them they're rude to you? What a shocker. I've had a nice chat with both men on occasion and you'd do well to remember they're people less fortunate than yourself so they might not be in the best of moods to begin with, be courteous and you'll be surprised the polite response you get in return.

Baildon Girl: "Also the guys who beg down Forster square and down the cobbled track down to the station they are so rude when you just ignore them"
HAHAHAHA so when you're rude to them and ignore them they're rude to you? What a shocker. I've had a nice chat with both men on occasion and you'd do well to remember they're people less fortunate than yourself so they might not be in the best of moods to begin with, be courteous and you'll be surprised the polite response you get in return.AndyWineHands

AndyWineHands wrote:
Baildon Girl: &quot;Also the guys who beg down Forster square and down the cobbled track down to the station they are so rude when you just ignore them"

HAHAHAHA so when you're rude to them and ignore them they're rude to you? What a shocker. I've had a nice chat with both men on occasion and you'd do well to remember they're people less fortunate than yourself so they might not be in the best of moods to begin with, be courteous and you'll be surprised the polite response you get in return.

On the other hand, why should you have to acknowledge anyone, especially if they are breaking the law?

[quote][p][bold]AndyWineHands[/bold] wrote:
Baildon Girl: "Also the guys who beg down Forster square and down the cobbled track down to the station they are so rude when you just ignore them"
HAHAHAHA so when you're rude to them and ignore them they're rude to you? What a shocker. I've had a nice chat with both men on occasion and you'd do well to remember they're people less fortunate than yourself so they might not be in the best of moods to begin with, be courteous and you'll be surprised the polite response you get in return.[/p][/quote]On the other hand, why should you have to acknowledge anyone, especially if they are breaking the law?Albion.

Why don't the police and council tackle this problem properly as has been done in other areas.

Ban outdoor drinking completely in the city centre, they can issue a byelaw to enforce this.

Or would that just upset our "diversity" ?

Why don't the police and council tackle this problem properly as has been done in other areas.
Ban outdoor drinking completely in the city centre, they can issue a byelaw to enforce this.
Or would that just upset our "diversity" ?bonoforpm

As it stands the law is very weak so therefore the enforcement is difficult and the alcahol can only be taken off the drinkers if the drinking is anti social. If they sit around in a large intimidating group drinking cheap Eastern European lagers or cider but are not swearing , shouting and kicking off the enforcment is tricky. make the city centre a total no drink zone apart from defined areas around bars , cafes etc and the enforcement becomes a lot easier. BTW its a mixture of Eastern Europeans and Bradford born and bred that are the issue , not just one group.

As it stands the law is very weak so therefore the enforcement is difficult and the alcahol can only be taken off the drinkers if the drinking is anti social. If they sit around in a large intimidating group drinking cheap Eastern European lagers or cider but are not swearing , shouting and kicking off the enforcment is tricky. make the city centre a total no drink zone apart from defined areas around bars , cafes etc and the enforcement becomes a lot easier. BTW its a mixture of Eastern Europeans and Bradford born and bred that are the issue , not just one group.PTN

we have a sever cultutral problem in bradford. too many foregin cultures who think they can behave the same way over here as they have done in the past no doubt in there own country. It wouldnt be tolerated anywhere else so why here!

we have a sever cultutral problem in bradford. too many foregin cultures who think they can behave the same way over here as they have done in the past no doubt in there own country. It wouldnt be tolerated anywhere else so why here!bantam34

Baildon girl wrote:
Ive commented before on a similar story and stand by what I say, something needs doing about these people although I doubt anything will be. I find them really intimidating at times, to have them shouting at you about your looks when you have young children with you is discusting Ive been on the recieving end and also witnessed a young girl having hasseled from a group outsisde the alambra.

Like a previous posted as also commented it makes visiting the fountains really off putting.

Also the guys who beg down Forster square and down the cobbled track down to the station they are so rude when you just ignore them

Interesting...

Does anyone else on here feel intimidated or threatened when walking (alone or otherwise) in some (if not most) areas of Bradford.

If so, what is your age group?

I had a 'discussion' with BCFC something or other who claimed he didnt feel threatened in Bradford, and I claimed I and my friends did.

I am in the over 50 age group, and when I lived in Bradford I felt undeer threat all the time.

[quote][p][bold]Baildon girl[/bold] wrote:
Ive commented before on a similar story and stand by what I say, something needs doing about these people although I doubt anything will be. I find them really intimidating at times, to have them shouting at you about your looks when you have young children with you is discusting Ive been on the recieving end and also witnessed a young girl having hasseled from a group outsisde the alambra.
Like a previous posted as also commented it makes visiting the fountains really off putting.
Also the guys who beg down Forster square and down the cobbled track down to the station they are so rude when you just ignore them[/p][/quote]Interesting...
Does anyone else on here feel intimidated or threatened when walking (alone or otherwise) in some (if not most) areas of Bradford.
If so, what is your age group?
I had a 'discussion' with BCFC something or other who claimed he didnt feel threatened in Bradford, and I claimed I and my friends did.
I am in the over 50 age group, and when I lived in Bradford I felt undeer threat all the time.WayneRouke

bonoforpm wrote:
Why don't the police and council tackle this problem properly as has been done in other areas.

Ban outdoor drinking completely in the city centre, they can issue a byelaw to enforce this.

Or would that just upset our &quot;diversity" ?

Maybe my moaning and from others has been read.

This has been a huge problem and some people just won't go to the city centre because of the street drinkers and beggars along with the abuse some people get.

A bar can only have drinking outside if there is permission on the premises licence. The Co op bank don't have such a licence and l doubt they want this lot there either and they need custom.

The council have let this problem happen again after the last purge. It seems if they show they are doing something then they get votes. It doesn't work like that.

Central government have given the council a lot of money to sort out the whole fiasco. I really hope they use it wisely.

I had a business in the city centre and the street drunks were a problem for the business.

There is a PCSO, a South African lad and he really tries and he wants the problem sorting. I wish there were more like him and then we wouldn't need the police to have to do this every now and then. But a police presence would help.

So they move them on, what next?
I doubt they'll stop drinking but do it elsewhere.

Leeds council now nick aggressive beggars, so should Bradford.

[quote][p][bold]bonoforpm[/bold] wrote:
Why don't the police and council tackle this problem properly as has been done in other areas.
Ban outdoor drinking completely in the city centre, they can issue a byelaw to enforce this.
Or would that just upset our "diversity" ?[/p][/quote]Maybe my moaning and from others has been read.
This has been a huge problem and some people just won't go to the city centre because of the street drinkers and beggars along with the abuse some people get.
A bar can only have drinking outside if there is permission on the premises licence. The Co op bank don't have such a licence and l doubt they want this lot there either and they need custom.
The council have let this problem happen again after the last purge. It seems if they show they are doing something then they get votes. It doesn't work like that.
Central government have given the council a lot of money to sort out the whole fiasco. I really hope they use it wisely.
I had a business in the city centre and the street drunks were a problem for the business.
There is a PCSO, a South African lad and he really tries and he wants the problem sorting. I wish there were more like him and then we wouldn't need the police to have to do this every now and then. But a police presence would help.
So they move them on, what next?
I doubt they'll stop drinking but do it elsewhere.
Leeds council now nick aggressive beggars, so should Bradford.Papa Smurfs Wig

Then we have this, gloating about the pond again.
She should stand in the area for an afternoon and see what use it is with the problems in the story..
.
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"Referring to incidents in City Park, Councillor Susan Hinchcliffe, the executive member for culture, said: "There have been four million visitors to City Park in the past year, and the percentage of problem incidents is very small.

"However, we do take the issues of drinking and anti-social behaviour seriously and we are working with the police to take decisive action.

"City Park has developed into an award-winning space and we won't allow a few individuals to spoil it."

Then we have this, gloating about the pond again.
She should stand in the area for an afternoon and see what use it is with the problems in the story..
.
.
"Referring to incidents in City Park, Councillor Susan Hinchcliffe, the executive member for culture, said: "There have been four million visitors to City Park in the past year, and the percentage of problem incidents is very small.
"However, we do take the issues of drinking and anti-social behaviour seriously and we are working with the police to take decisive action.
"City Park has developed into an award-winning space and we won't allow a few individuals to spoil it."Papa Smurfs Wig

PTN wrote:
As it stands the law is very weak so therefore the enforcement is difficult and the alcahol can only be taken off the drinkers if the drinking is anti social. If they sit around in a large intimidating group drinking cheap Eastern European lagers or cider but are not swearing , shouting and kicking off the enforcment is tricky. make the city centre a total no drink zone apart from defined areas around bars , cafes etc and the enforcement becomes a lot easier. BTW its a mixture of Eastern Europeans and Bradford born and bred that are the issue , not just one group.

If they are sitting down, not shouting, swearing or kicking off, what's intimidating about them?

[quote][p][bold]PTN[/bold] wrote:
As it stands the law is very weak so therefore the enforcement is difficult and the alcahol can only be taken off the drinkers if the drinking is anti social. If they sit around in a large intimidating group drinking cheap Eastern European lagers or cider but are not swearing , shouting and kicking off the enforcment is tricky. make the city centre a total no drink zone apart from defined areas around bars , cafes etc and the enforcement becomes a lot easier. BTW its a mixture of Eastern Europeans and Bradford born and bred that are the issue , not just one group.[/p][/quote]If they are sitting down, not shouting, swearing or kicking off, what's intimidating about them?JAtkinson

bcfc1903 wrote:
There should be zero tolerance to this sort anti social behaviour and not just for a month or so. Although I've seen very little of this on our families many visits to Bradford a zero tolerance attitude by the police would certainly be good as it would add to what is in City Park becoming a great area to take families. Any scheme of this nature needs to be long term, this means getting the people involved in this anti social behaviour off the streets and into establishments that can help their problems.

Your family must be thrilled. Where we going? Bradford. Why? Because your dad is head of media at Bradford Council so I have to be seen to be backing up my rediculous comments on the T&amp;A website on a daily basis. But daddy, Bradford boring there is nothing to do. Thats not so, we can count empty shops and beggars, and clear empty beer cans from the pond.

As must yours:
- Can we go to City Park, or the Media Museum or Gallery One?
- No! I tell everyone Bradford's rubbish in my ridiculous comments on the T&A and I am not willing to chance going there in case I have a good time and am forced to rethink my world view. Bradford is hell, Sodom, Gomorrah and Beirut all rolled into one except worse (and I know this because I read it in the T&A comments section) so I will never go.

[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote:
There should be zero tolerance to this sort anti social behaviour and not just for a month or so. Although I've seen very little of this on our families many visits to Bradford a zero tolerance attitude by the police would certainly be good as it would add to what is in City Park becoming a great area to take families. Any scheme of this nature needs to be long term, this means getting the people involved in this anti social behaviour off the streets and into establishments that can help their problems.[/p][/quote]Your family must be thrilled. Where we going? Bradford. Why? Because your dad is head of media at Bradford Council so I have to be seen to be backing up my rediculous comments on the T&A website on a daily basis. But daddy, Bradford boring there is nothing to do. Thats not so, we can count empty shops and beggars, and clear empty beer cans from the pond.[/p][/quote]As must yours:
- Can we go to City Park, or the Media Museum or Gallery One?
- No! I tell everyone Bradford's rubbish in my ridiculous comments on the T&A and I am not willing to chance going there in case I have a good time and am forced to rethink my world view. Bradford is hell, Sodom, Gomorrah and Beirut all rolled into one except worse (and I know this because I read it in the T&A comments section) so I will never go.JAtkinson

Papa Smurfs Wig wrote:
Then we have this, gloating about the pond again.
She should stand in the area for an afternoon and see what use it is with the problems in the story..
.
.

&quot;Referring to incidents in City Park, Councillor Susan Hinchcliffe, the executive member for culture, said: "There have been four million visitors to City Park in the past year, and the percentage of problem incidents is very small.

"However, we do take the issues of drinking and anti-social behaviour seriously and we are working with the police to take decisive action.

"City Park has developed into an award-winning space and we won't allow a few individuals to spoil it."

I suppose the figures she quotes depend on the definition on what a 'visitor' is.

As 4 million average out at 11,000 people a day so I can only assume she means that there are 4 million people walk through it, most of whom are the same people.
If there were 4 million people specifically visiting it would be more popular than the Science Museum & the Tower of London and TEN times more popular than the Media Museum!

[quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote:
Then we have this, gloating about the pond again.
She should stand in the area for an afternoon and see what use it is with the problems in the story..
.
.
"Referring to incidents in City Park, Councillor Susan Hinchcliffe, the executive member for culture, said: "There have been four million visitors to City Park in the past year, and the percentage of problem incidents is very small.
"However, we do take the issues of drinking and anti-social behaviour seriously and we are working with the police to take decisive action.
"City Park has developed into an award-winning space and we won't allow a few individuals to spoil it."[/p][/quote]I suppose the figures she quotes depend on the definition on what a 'visitor' is.
As 4 million average out at 11,000 people a day so I can only assume she means that there are 4 million people walk through it, most of whom are the same people.
If there were 4 million people specifically visiting it would be more popular than the Science Museum & the Tower of London and TEN times more popular than the Media Museum!angry bradfordian

There's another problem with the East Europeans who have swamped our city. They spend most of the day congregating outside their local shop, swigging lager and blocking pavements, intimidating the locals.

There are major problems ahead for this city.

Pity poor Bradford!

There's another problem with the East Europeans who have swamped our city. They spend most of the day congregating outside their local shop, swigging lager and blocking pavements, intimidating the locals.
There are major problems ahead for this city.
Pity poor Bradford!Pablo

Papa Smurfs Wig wrote:
Then we have this, gloating about the pond again.
She should stand in the area for an afternoon and see what use it is with the problems in the story..
.
.

&quot;Referring to incidents in City Park, Councillor Susan Hinchcliffe, the executive member for culture, said: "There have been four million visitors to City Park in the past year, and the percentage of problem incidents is very small.

"However, we do take the issues of drinking and anti-social behaviour seriously and we are working with the police to take decisive action.

"City Park has developed into an award-winning space and we won't allow a few individuals to spoil it."

I suppose the figures she quotes depend on the definition on what a 'visitor' is.

As 4 million average out at 11,000 people a day so I can only assume she means that there are 4 million people walk through it, most of whom are the same people.
If there were 4 million people specifically visiting it would be more popular than the Science Museum &amp; the Tower of London and TEN times more popular than the Media Museum!

She's a real dreamer is our Miss Hinchcliffe........S
he once knocked on my door when canvassing for her own party and told me a right load of bo££ocks......braz
enly too. I'm afraid that I would be more inclined to believe Pinnochio.

[quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote:
Then we have this, gloating about the pond again.
She should stand in the area for an afternoon and see what use it is with the problems in the story..
.
.
"Referring to incidents in City Park, Councillor Susan Hinchcliffe, the executive member for culture, said: "There have been four million visitors to City Park in the past year, and the percentage of problem incidents is very small.
"However, we do take the issues of drinking and anti-social behaviour seriously and we are working with the police to take decisive action.
"City Park has developed into an award-winning space and we won't allow a few individuals to spoil it."[/p][/quote]I suppose the figures she quotes depend on the definition on what a 'visitor' is.
As 4 million average out at 11,000 people a day so I can only assume she means that there are 4 million people walk through it, most of whom are the same people.
If there were 4 million people specifically visiting it would be more popular than the Science Museum & the Tower of London and TEN times more popular than the Media Museum![/p][/quote]She's a real dreamer is our Miss Hinchcliffe........S
he once knocked on my door when canvassing for her own party and told me a right load of bo££ocks......braz
enly too. I'm afraid that I would be more inclined to believe Pinnochio.Tinybantam

bonoforpm wrote:
Why don't the police and council tackle this problem properly as has been done in other areas.

Ban outdoor drinking completely in the city centre, they can issue a byelaw to enforce this.

Or would that just upset our &quot;diversity" ?

Maybe my moaning and from others has been read.

This has been a huge problem and some people just won't go to the city centre because of the street drinkers and beggars along with the abuse some people get.

A bar can only have drinking outside if there is permission on the premises licence. The Co op bank don't have such a licence and l doubt they want this lot there either and they need custom.

The council have let this problem happen again after the last purge. It seems if they show they are doing something then they get votes. It doesn't work like that.

Central government have given the council a lot of money to sort out the whole fiasco. I really hope they use it wisely.

I had a business in the city centre and the street drunks were a problem for the business.

There is a PCSO, a South African lad and he really tries and he wants the problem sorting. I wish there were more like him and then we wouldn't need the police to have to do this every now and then. But a police presence would help.

So they move them on, what next?
I doubt they'll stop drinking but do it elsewhere.

Leeds council now nick aggressive beggars, so should Bradford.

Through the day time I cannot remember the last time I actually saw some drunk in Leeds. Yes on an evening in the bar areas but you never really see any in the centre.

Whatever Leeds have done so should Bradford

[quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bonoforpm[/bold] wrote:
Why don't the police and council tackle this problem properly as has been done in other areas.
Ban outdoor drinking completely in the city centre, they can issue a byelaw to enforce this.
Or would that just upset our "diversity" ?[/p][/quote]Maybe my moaning and from others has been read.
This has been a huge problem and some people just won't go to the city centre because of the street drinkers and beggars along with the abuse some people get.
A bar can only have drinking outside if there is permission on the premises licence. The Co op bank don't have such a licence and l doubt they want this lot there either and they need custom.
The council have let this problem happen again after the last purge. It seems if they show they are doing something then they get votes. It doesn't work like that.
Central government have given the council a lot of money to sort out the whole fiasco. I really hope they use it wisely.
I had a business in the city centre and the street drunks were a problem for the business.
There is a PCSO, a South African lad and he really tries and he wants the problem sorting. I wish there were more like him and then we wouldn't need the police to have to do this every now and then. But a police presence would help.
So they move them on, what next?
I doubt they'll stop drinking but do it elsewhere.
Leeds council now nick aggressive beggars, so should Bradford.[/p][/quote]Through the day time I cannot remember the last time I actually saw some drunk in Leeds. Yes on an evening in the bar areas but you never really see any in the centre.
Whatever Leeds have done so should BradfordAndy2010

bonoforpm wrote:
Why don't the police and council tackle this problem properly as has been done in other areas.

Ban outdoor drinking completely in the city centre, they can issue a byelaw to enforce this.

Or would that just upset our &quot;diversity" ?

Maybe my moaning and from others has been read.

This has been a huge problem and some people just won't go to the city centre because of the street drinkers and beggars along with the abuse some people get.

A bar can only have drinking outside if there is permission on the premises licence. The Co op bank don't have such a licence and l doubt they want this lot there either and they need custom.

The council have let this problem happen again after the last purge. It seems if they show they are doing something then they get votes. It doesn't work like that.

Central government have given the council a lot of money to sort out the whole fiasco. I really hope they use it wisely.

I had a business in the city centre and the street drunks were a problem for the business.

There is a PCSO, a South African lad and he really tries and he wants the problem sorting. I wish there were more like him and then we wouldn't need the police to have to do this every now and then. But a police presence would help.

So they move them on, what next?
I doubt they'll stop drinking but do it elsewhere.

Leeds council now nick aggressive beggars, so should Bradford.

Through the day time I cannot remember the last time I actually saw some drunk in Leeds. Yes on an evening in the bar areas but you never really see any in the centre.

Whatever Leeds have done so should Bradford

No one drunk in Leeds? Maybe in the Victorian Quarter or Trinity. Have you ventured up towards The Merrion Centre or the Headrow near the 3 Legs/Vine etc. Plss heads and junkies all over the place. Thing is they are generally British plss heads and junkies which are alright aren't they?

[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bonoforpm[/bold] wrote:
Why don't the police and council tackle this problem properly as has been done in other areas.
Ban outdoor drinking completely in the city centre, they can issue a byelaw to enforce this.
Or would that just upset our "diversity" ?[/p][/quote]Maybe my moaning and from others has been read.
This has been a huge problem and some people just won't go to the city centre because of the street drinkers and beggars along with the abuse some people get.
A bar can only have drinking outside if there is permission on the premises licence. The Co op bank don't have such a licence and l doubt they want this lot there either and they need custom.
The council have let this problem happen again after the last purge. It seems if they show they are doing something then they get votes. It doesn't work like that.
Central government have given the council a lot of money to sort out the whole fiasco. I really hope they use it wisely.
I had a business in the city centre and the street drunks were a problem for the business.
There is a PCSO, a South African lad and he really tries and he wants the problem sorting. I wish there were more like him and then we wouldn't need the police to have to do this every now and then. But a police presence would help.
So they move them on, what next?
I doubt they'll stop drinking but do it elsewhere.
Leeds council now nick aggressive beggars, so should Bradford.[/p][/quote]Through the day time I cannot remember the last time I actually saw some drunk in Leeds. Yes on an evening in the bar areas but you never really see any in the centre.
Whatever Leeds have done so should Bradford[/p][/quote]No one drunk in Leeds? Maybe in the Victorian Quarter or Trinity. Have you ventured up towards The Merrion Centre or the Headrow near the 3 Legs/Vine etc. Plss heads and junkies all over the place. Thing is they are generally British plss heads and junkies which are alright aren't they?pellethead

piltdownman wrote:
Missing an opportunity here. Convert all of Bradford to Islam introduce Sharia and drinking will be a thing of the past.

What about some stoning's and beheading's for Sunday afternoon entertainment?

[quote][p][bold]piltdownman[/bold] wrote:
Missing an opportunity here. Convert all of Bradford to Islam introduce Sharia and drinking will be a thing of the past.[/p][/quote]What about some stoning's and beheading's for Sunday afternoon entertainment?Mr Capp

Pablo wrote:
There's another problem with the East Europeans who have swamped our city. They spend most of the day congregating outside their local shop, swigging lager and blocking pavements, intimidating the locals.

There are major problems ahead for this city.

Pity poor Bradford!

Great Horton Rd Cannon mills area pass there after 12 noon you will see groups of Eastern Europeans on street corners drinking cans of lager.

[quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote:
There's another problem with the East Europeans who have swamped our city. They spend most of the day congregating outside their local shop, swigging lager and blocking pavements, intimidating the locals.
There are major problems ahead for this city.
Pity poor Bradford![/p][/quote]Great Horton Rd Cannon mills area pass there after 12 noon you will see groups of Eastern Europeans on street corners drinking cans of lager.davidh66

bonoforpm wrote:
Why don't the police and council tackle this problem properly as has been done in other areas.

Ban outdoor drinking completely in the city centre, they can issue a byelaw to enforce this.

Or would that just upset our &quot;diversity" ?

Maybe my moaning and from others has been read.

This has been a huge problem and some people just won't go to the city centre because of the street drinkers and beggars along with the abuse some people get.

A bar can only have drinking outside if there is permission on the premises licence. The Co op bank don't have such a licence and l doubt they want this lot there either and they need custom.

The council have let this problem happen again after the last purge. It seems if they show they are doing something then they get votes. It doesn't work like that.

Central government have given the council a lot of money to sort out the whole fiasco. I really hope they use it wisely.

I had a business in the city centre and the street drunks were a problem for the business.

There is a PCSO, a South African lad and he really tries and he wants the problem sorting. I wish there were more like him and then we wouldn't need the police to have to do this every now and then. But a police presence would help.

So they move them on, what next?
I doubt they'll stop drinking but do it elsewhere.

Leeds council now nick aggressive beggars, so should Bradford.

Through the day time I cannot remember the last time I actually saw some drunk in Leeds. Yes on an evening in the bar areas but you never really see any in the centre.

Whatever Leeds have done so should Bradford

When you're breezing round Harvey Nicholls with your personal shopper you're not likely to encounter any of the working class, never mind drunks.

[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bonoforpm[/bold] wrote:
Why don't the police and council tackle this problem properly as has been done in other areas.
Ban outdoor drinking completely in the city centre, they can issue a byelaw to enforce this.
Or would that just upset our "diversity" ?[/p][/quote]Maybe my moaning and from others has been read.
This has been a huge problem and some people just won't go to the city centre because of the street drinkers and beggars along with the abuse some people get.
A bar can only have drinking outside if there is permission on the premises licence. The Co op bank don't have such a licence and l doubt they want this lot there either and they need custom.
The council have let this problem happen again after the last purge. It seems if they show they are doing something then they get votes. It doesn't work like that.
Central government have given the council a lot of money to sort out the whole fiasco. I really hope they use it wisely.
I had a business in the city centre and the street drunks were a problem for the business.
There is a PCSO, a South African lad and he really tries and he wants the problem sorting. I wish there were more like him and then we wouldn't need the police to have to do this every now and then. But a police presence would help.
So they move them on, what next?
I doubt they'll stop drinking but do it elsewhere.
Leeds council now nick aggressive beggars, so should Bradford.[/p][/quote]Through the day time I cannot remember the last time I actually saw some drunk in Leeds. Yes on an evening in the bar areas but you never really see any in the centre.
Whatever Leeds have done so should Bradford[/p][/quote]When you're breezing round Harvey Nicholls with your personal shopper you're not likely to encounter any of the working class, never mind drunks.linebacker2

No don't vote me down, any self respecting Bradfordian Knows what I am talking about. The trouble with this comment medium is, too many speak a bit of English but far fewer understand it. anyone encountered a call centre recently? or even a nurse at BRI?

No don't vote me down, any self respecting Bradfordian Knows what I am talking about. The trouble with this comment medium is, too many speak a bit of English but far fewer understand it. anyone encountered a call centre recently? or even a nurse at BRI?alive and awake

Papa Smurfs Wig wrote:
Then we have this, gloating about the pond again.
She should stand in the area for an afternoon and see what use it is with the problems in the story..
.
.

&quot;Referring to incidents in City Park, Councillor Susan Hinchcliffe, the executive member for culture, said: "There have been four million visitors to City Park in the past year, and the percentage of problem incidents is very small.

"However, we do take the issues of drinking and anti-social behaviour seriously and we are working with the police to take decisive action.

"City Park has developed into an award-winning space and we won't allow a few individuals to spoil it."

I suppose the figures she quotes depend on the definition on what a 'visitor' is.

As 4 million average out at 11,000 people a day so I can only assume she means that there are 4 million people walk through it, most of whom are the same people.
If there were 4 million people specifically visiting it would be more popular than the Science Museum &amp; the Tower of London and TEN times more popular than the Media Museum!

Lies, damned lies and statistics.

[quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote:
Then we have this, gloating about the pond again.
She should stand in the area for an afternoon and see what use it is with the problems in the story..
.
.
"Referring to incidents in City Park, Councillor Susan Hinchcliffe, the executive member for culture, said: "There have been four million visitors to City Park in the past year, and the percentage of problem incidents is very small.
"However, we do take the issues of drinking and anti-social behaviour seriously and we are working with the police to take decisive action.
"City Park has developed into an award-winning space and we won't allow a few individuals to spoil it."[/p][/quote]I suppose the figures she quotes depend on the definition on what a 'visitor' is.
As 4 million average out at 11,000 people a day so I can only assume she means that there are 4 million people walk through it, most of whom are the same people.
If there were 4 million people specifically visiting it would be more popular than the Science Museum & the Tower of London and TEN times more popular than the Media Museum![/p][/quote]Lies, damned lies and statistics.BD16

bcfc1903 wrote:
There should be zero tolerance to this sort anti social behaviour and not just for a month or so. Although I've seen very little of this on our families many visits to Bradford a zero tolerance attitude by the police would certainly be good as it would add to what is in City Park becoming a great area to take families. Any scheme of this nature needs to be long term, this means getting the people involved in this anti social behaviour off the streets and into establishments that can help their problems.

Your family must be thrilled. Where we going? Bradford. Why? Because your dad is head of media at Bradford Council so I have to be seen to be backing up my rediculous comments on the T&amp;A website on a daily basis. But daddy, Bradford boring there is nothing to do. Thats not so, we can count empty shops and beggars, and clear empty beer cans from the pond.

Your so kind, if only I had that job, if it exists.

There should be zero tolerance to this sort anti social behaviour and not just for a month or so. Although I've seen very little of this on our families many visits to Bradford a zero tolerance attitude by the police would certainly be good as it would add to what is in City Park becoming a great area to take families. Any scheme of this nature needs to be long term, this means getting the people involved in this anti social behaviour off the streets and into establishments that can help their problems.

4,000,000 visitors this year, wow, that is serious footfall. The two occasions recently when we as a family went to City Park for the specific reason of both the Bradford Festival and the World Curry Festival's being staged there, it was absolutely heaving at both on the days we went with families taking in the various performers at the BF and Curry making demonstrations by various chefs at the WCF. I never thought City Park was the right scheme to spend the airport cash on but like many others, I've been proved wrong.

[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote:
There should be zero tolerance to this sort anti social behaviour and not just for a month or so. Although I've seen very little of this on our families many visits to Bradford a zero tolerance attitude by the police would certainly be good as it would add to what is in City Park becoming a great area to take families. Any scheme of this nature needs to be long term, this means getting the people involved in this anti social behaviour off the streets and into establishments that can help their problems.[/p][/quote]Your family must be thrilled. Where we going? Bradford. Why? Because your dad is head of media at Bradford Council so I have to be seen to be backing up my rediculous comments on the T&A website on a daily basis. But daddy, Bradford boring there is nothing to do. Thats not so, we can count empty shops and beggars, and clear empty beer cans from the pond.[/p][/quote]Your so kind, if only I had that job, if it exists.
There should be zero tolerance to this sort anti social behaviour and not just for a month or so. Although I've seen very little of this on our families many visits to Bradford a zero tolerance attitude by the police would certainly be good as it would add to what is in City Park becoming a great area to take families. Any scheme of this nature needs to be long term, this means getting the people involved in this anti social behaviour off the streets and into establishments that can help their problems.[/p][/quote]4,000,000 visitors this year, wow, that is serious footfall. The two occasions recently when we as a family went to City Park for the specific reason of both the Bradford Festival and the World Curry Festival's being staged there, it was absolutely heaving at both on the days we went with families taking in the various performers at the BF and Curry making demonstrations by various chefs at the WCF. I never thought City Park was the right scheme to spend the airport cash on but like many others, I've been proved wrong.bcfc1903

bcfc1903 wrote:
There should be zero tolerance to this sort anti social behaviour and not just for a month or so. Although I've seen very little of this on our families many visits to Bradford a zero tolerance attitude by the police would certainly be good as it would add to what is in City Park becoming a great area to take families. Any scheme of this nature needs to be long term, this means getting the people involved in this anti social behaviour off the streets and into establishments that can help their problems.

Your family must be thrilled. Where we going? Bradford. Why? Because your dad is head of media at Bradford Council so I have to be seen to be backing up my rediculous comments on the T&amp;A website on a daily basis. But daddy, Bradford boring there is nothing to do. Thats not so, we can count empty shops and beggars, and clear empty beer cans from the pond.

Your so kind, if only I had that job, if it exists.

There should be zero tolerance to this sort anti social behaviour and not just for a month or so. Although I've seen very little of this on our families many visits to Bradford a zero tolerance attitude by the police would certainly be good as it would add to what is in City Park becoming a great area to take families. Any scheme of this nature needs to be long term, this means getting the people involved in this anti social behaviour off the streets and into establishments that can help their problems.

4,000,000 visitors this year, wow, that is serious footfall. The two occasions recently when we as a family went to City Park for the specific reason of both the Bradford Festival and the World Curry Festival's being staged there, it was absolutely heaving at both on the days we went with families taking in the various performers at the BF and Curry making demonstrations by various chefs at the WCF. I never thought City Park was the right scheme to spend the airport cash on but like many others, I've been proved wrong.

Even the English don't understand English in Bradford.

[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote:
There should be zero tolerance to this sort anti social behaviour and not just for a month or so. Although I've seen very little of this on our families many visits to Bradford a zero tolerance attitude by the police would certainly be good as it would add to what is in City Park becoming a great area to take families. Any scheme of this nature needs to be long term, this means getting the people involved in this anti social behaviour off the streets and into establishments that can help their problems.[/p][/quote]Your family must be thrilled. Where we going? Bradford. Why? Because your dad is head of media at Bradford Council so I have to be seen to be backing up my rediculous comments on the T&A website on a daily basis. But daddy, Bradford boring there is nothing to do. Thats not so, we can count empty shops and beggars, and clear empty beer cans from the pond.[/p][/quote]Your so kind, if only I had that job, if it exists.
There should be zero tolerance to this sort anti social behaviour and not just for a month or so. Although I've seen very little of this on our families many visits to Bradford a zero tolerance attitude by the police would certainly be good as it would add to what is in City Park becoming a great area to take families. Any scheme of this nature needs to be long term, this means getting the people involved in this anti social behaviour off the streets and into establishments that can help their problems.[/p][/quote]4,000,000 visitors this year, wow, that is serious footfall. The two occasions recently when we as a family went to City Park for the specific reason of both the Bradford Festival and the World Curry Festival's being staged there, it was absolutely heaving at both on the days we went with families taking in the various performers at the BF and Curry making demonstrations by various chefs at the WCF. I never thought City Park was the right scheme to spend the airport cash on but like many others, I've been proved wrong.[/p][/quote]Even the English don't understand English in Bradford.alive and awake

alive and awake wrote:
No don't vote me down, any self respecting Bradfordian Knows what I am talking about. The trouble with this comment medium is, too many speak a bit of English but far fewer understand it. anyone encountered a call centre recently? or even a nurse at BRI?

If you don't like you are free to leave. Ta-ra!
Have any of you serial moaners ever considered Dignitas?

[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote:
No don't vote me down, any self respecting Bradfordian Knows what I am talking about. The trouble with this comment medium is, too many speak a bit of English but far fewer understand it. anyone encountered a call centre recently? or even a nurse at BRI?[/p][/quote]If you don't like you are free to leave. Ta-ra!
Have any of you serial moaners ever considered Dignitas?hx3bantam

Saltaire Bantam wrote:
Why don't the police do something useful and stop the radicalised youths from heading out to Syria/Iraq?

should let them go, just dont let them back.

[quote][p][bold]Saltaire Bantam[/bold] wrote:
Why don't the police do something useful and stop the radicalised youths from heading out to Syria/Iraq?[/p][/quote]should let them go, just dont let them back.sinking fast

bonoforpm wrote:
Why don't the police and council tackle this problem properly as has been done in other areas.

Ban outdoor drinking completely in the city centre, they can issue a byelaw to enforce this.

Or would that just upset our &quot;diversity" ?

Maybe my moaning and from others has been read.

This has been a huge problem and some people just won't go to the city centre because of the street drinkers and beggars along with the abuse some people get.

A bar can only have drinking outside if there is permission on the premises licence. The Co op bank don't have such a licence and l doubt they want this lot there either and they need custom.

The council have let this problem happen again after the last purge. It seems if they show they are doing something then they get votes. It doesn't work like that.

Central government have given the council a lot of money to sort out the whole fiasco. I really hope they use it wisely.

I had a business in the city centre and the street drunks were a problem for the business.

There is a PCSO, a South African lad and he really tries and he wants the problem sorting. I wish there were more like him and then we wouldn't need the police to have to do this every now and then. But a police presence would help.

So they move them on, what next?
I doubt they'll stop drinking but do it elsewhere.

Leeds council now nick aggressive beggars, so should Bradford.

Through the day time I cannot remember the last time I actually saw some drunk in Leeds. Yes on an evening in the bar areas but you never really see any in the centre.

Whatever Leeds have done so should Bradford

When you're breezing round Harvey Nicholls with your personal shopper you're not likely to encounter any of the working class, never mind drunks.

Ah I see... That will be it then

Shame I can't get that experience in Bradford. Will the new Westfield centre have a personal shopping experience?

[quote][p][bold]linebacker2[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bonoforpm[/bold] wrote:
Why don't the police and council tackle this problem properly as has been done in other areas.
Ban outdoor drinking completely in the city centre, they can issue a byelaw to enforce this.
Or would that just upset our "diversity" ?[/p][/quote]Maybe my moaning and from others has been read.
This has been a huge problem and some people just won't go to the city centre because of the street drinkers and beggars along with the abuse some people get.
A bar can only have drinking outside if there is permission on the premises licence. The Co op bank don't have such a licence and l doubt they want this lot there either and they need custom.
The council have let this problem happen again after the last purge. It seems if they show they are doing something then they get votes. It doesn't work like that.
Central government have given the council a lot of money to sort out the whole fiasco. I really hope they use it wisely.
I had a business in the city centre and the street drunks were a problem for the business.
There is a PCSO, a South African lad and he really tries and he wants the problem sorting. I wish there were more like him and then we wouldn't need the police to have to do this every now and then. But a police presence would help.
So they move them on, what next?
I doubt they'll stop drinking but do it elsewhere.
Leeds council now nick aggressive beggars, so should Bradford.[/p][/quote]Through the day time I cannot remember the last time I actually saw some drunk in Leeds. Yes on an evening in the bar areas but you never really see any in the centre.
Whatever Leeds have done so should Bradford[/p][/quote]When you're breezing round Harvey Nicholls with your personal shopper you're not likely to encounter any of the working class, never mind drunks.[/p][/quote]Ah I see... That will be it then
Shame I can't get that experience in Bradford. Will the new Westfield centre have a personal shopping experience?Andy2010

bonoforpm wrote:
Why don't the police and council tackle this problem properly as has been done in other areas.

Ban outdoor drinking completely in the city centre, they can issue a byelaw to enforce this.

Or would that just upset our &quot;diversity" ?

Maybe my moaning and from others has been read.

This has been a huge problem and some people just won't go to the city centre because of the street drinkers and beggars along with the abuse some people get.

A bar can only have drinking outside if there is permission on the premises licence. The Co op bank don't have such a licence and l doubt they want this lot there either and they need custom.

The council have let this problem happen again after the last purge. It seems if they show they are doing something then they get votes. It doesn't work like that.

Central government have given the council a lot of money to sort out the whole fiasco. I really hope they use it wisely.

I had a business in the city centre and the street drunks were a problem for the business.

There is a PCSO, a South African lad and he really tries and he wants the problem sorting. I wish there were more like him and then we wouldn't need the police to have to do this every now and then. But a police presence would help.

So they move them on, what next?
I doubt they'll stop drinking but do it elsewhere.

Leeds council now nick aggressive beggars, so should Bradford.

Through the day time I cannot remember the last time I actually saw some drunk in Leeds. Yes on an evening in the bar areas but you never really see any in the centre.

Whatever Leeds have done so should Bradford

When you're breezing round Harvey Nicholls with your personal shopper you're not likely to encounter any of the working class, never mind drunks.

Ah I see... That will be it then

Shame I can't get that experience in Bradford. Will the new Westfield centre have a personal shopping experience?

It will be lucky if it has tomato sauce.

[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]linebacker2[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bonoforpm[/bold] wrote:
Why don't the police and council tackle this problem properly as has been done in other areas.
Ban outdoor drinking completely in the city centre, they can issue a byelaw to enforce this.
Or would that just upset our "diversity" ?[/p][/quote]Maybe my moaning and from others has been read.
This has been a huge problem and some people just won't go to the city centre because of the street drinkers and beggars along with the abuse some people get.
A bar can only have drinking outside if there is permission on the premises licence. The Co op bank don't have such a licence and l doubt they want this lot there either and they need custom.
The council have let this problem happen again after the last purge. It seems if they show they are doing something then they get votes. It doesn't work like that.
Central government have given the council a lot of money to sort out the whole fiasco. I really hope they use it wisely.
I had a business in the city centre and the street drunks were a problem for the business.
There is a PCSO, a South African lad and he really tries and he wants the problem sorting. I wish there were more like him and then we wouldn't need the police to have to do this every now and then. But a police presence would help.
So they move them on, what next?
I doubt they'll stop drinking but do it elsewhere.
Leeds council now nick aggressive beggars, so should Bradford.[/p][/quote]Through the day time I cannot remember the last time I actually saw some drunk in Leeds. Yes on an evening in the bar areas but you never really see any in the centre.
Whatever Leeds have done so should Bradford[/p][/quote]When you're breezing round Harvey Nicholls with your personal shopper you're not likely to encounter any of the working class, never mind drunks.[/p][/quote]Ah I see... That will be it then
Shame I can't get that experience in Bradford. Will the new Westfield centre have a personal shopping experience?[/p][/quote]It will be lucky if it has tomato sauce.alive and awake

alive and awake wrote:
No don't vote me down, any self respecting Bradfordian Knows what I am talking about. The trouble with this comment medium is, too many speak a bit of English but far fewer understand it. anyone encountered a call centre recently? or even a nurse at BRI?

If you don't like you are free to leave. Ta-ra!
Have any of you serial moaners ever considered Dignitas?

You are clearly another who doesn't understand English.

[quote][p][bold]hx3bantam[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote:
No don't vote me down, any self respecting Bradfordian Knows what I am talking about. The trouble with this comment medium is, too many speak a bit of English but far fewer understand it. anyone encountered a call centre recently? or even a nurse at BRI?[/p][/quote]If you don't like you are free to leave. Ta-ra!
Have any of you serial moaners ever considered Dignitas?[/p][/quote]You are clearly another who doesn't understand English.alive and awake

bonoforpm wrote:
Why don't the police and council tackle this problem properly as has been done in other areas.

Ban outdoor drinking completely in the city centre, they can issue a byelaw to enforce this.

Or would that just upset our &quot;diversity" ?

Maybe my moaning and from others has been read.

This has been a huge problem and some people just won't go to the city centre because of the street drinkers and beggars along with the abuse some people get.

A bar can only have drinking outside if there is permission on the premises licence. The Co op bank don't have such a licence and l doubt they want this lot there either and they need custom.

The council have let this problem happen again after the last purge. It seems if they show they are doing something then they get votes. It doesn't work like that.

Central government have given the council a lot of money to sort out the whole fiasco. I really hope they use it wisely.

I had a business in the city centre and the street drunks were a problem for the business.

There is a PCSO, a South African lad and he really tries and he wants the problem sorting. I wish there were more like him and then we wouldn't need the police to have to do this every now and then. But a police presence would help.

So they move them on, what next?
I doubt they'll stop drinking but do it elsewhere.

Leeds council now nick aggressive beggars, so should Bradford.

Through the day time I cannot remember the last time I actually saw some drunk in Leeds. Yes on an evening in the bar areas but you never really see any in the centre.

Whatever Leeds have done so should Bradford

When you're breezing round Harvey Nicholls with your personal shopper you're not likely to encounter any of the working class, never mind drunks.

Ah I see... That will be it then

Shame I can't get that experience in Bradford. Will the new Westfield centre have a personal shopping experience?

It will be lucky if it has tomato sauce.

Do you also do jokes?

[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]linebacker2[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bonoforpm[/bold] wrote:
Why don't the police and council tackle this problem properly as has been done in other areas.
Ban outdoor drinking completely in the city centre, they can issue a byelaw to enforce this.
Or would that just upset our "diversity" ?[/p][/quote]Maybe my moaning and from others has been read.
This has been a huge problem and some people just won't go to the city centre because of the street drinkers and beggars along with the abuse some people get.
A bar can only have drinking outside if there is permission on the premises licence. The Co op bank don't have such a licence and l doubt they want this lot there either and they need custom.
The council have let this problem happen again after the last purge. It seems if they show they are doing something then they get votes. It doesn't work like that.
Central government have given the council a lot of money to sort out the whole fiasco. I really hope they use it wisely.
I had a business in the city centre and the street drunks were a problem for the business.
There is a PCSO, a South African lad and he really tries and he wants the problem sorting. I wish there were more like him and then we wouldn't need the police to have to do this every now and then. But a police presence would help.
So they move them on, what next?
I doubt they'll stop drinking but do it elsewhere.
Leeds council now nick aggressive beggars, so should Bradford.[/p][/quote]Through the day time I cannot remember the last time I actually saw some drunk in Leeds. Yes on an evening in the bar areas but you never really see any in the centre.
Whatever Leeds have done so should Bradford[/p][/quote]When you're breezing round Harvey Nicholls with your personal shopper you're not likely to encounter any of the working class, never mind drunks.[/p][/quote]Ah I see... That will be it then
Shame I can't get that experience in Bradford. Will the new Westfield centre have a personal shopping experience?[/p][/quote]It will be lucky if it has tomato sauce.[/p][/quote]Do you also do jokes?linebacker2

bonoforpm wrote:
Why don't the police and council tackle this problem properly as has been done in other areas.

Ban outdoor drinking completely in the city centre, they can issue a byelaw to enforce this.

Or would that just upset our &quot;diversity" ?

Maybe my moaning and from others has been read.

This has been a huge problem and some people just won't go to the city centre because of the street drinkers and beggars along with the abuse some people get.

A bar can only have drinking outside if there is permission on the premises licence. The Co op bank don't have such a licence and l doubt they want this lot there either and they need custom.

The council have let this problem happen again after the last purge. It seems if they show they are doing something then they get votes. It doesn't work like that.

Central government have given the council a lot of money to sort out the whole fiasco. I really hope they use it wisely.

I had a business in the city centre and the street drunks were a problem for the business.

There is a PCSO, a South African lad and he really tries and he wants the problem sorting. I wish there were more like him and then we wouldn't need the police to have to do this every now and then. But a police presence would help.

So they move them on, what next?
I doubt they'll stop drinking but do it elsewhere.

Leeds council now nick aggressive beggars, so should Bradford.

Through the day time I cannot remember the last time I actually saw some drunk in Leeds. Yes on an evening in the bar areas but you never really see any in the centre.

Whatever Leeds have done so should Bradford

When you're breezing round Harvey Nicholls with your personal shopper you're not likely to encounter any of the working class, never mind drunks.

Ah I see... That will be it then

Shame I can't get that experience in Bradford. Will the new Westfield centre have a personal shopping experience?

It will be lucky if it has tomato sauce.

Do you also do jokes?

Don't do jokes, real life observations are much funnier (at times)

[quote][p][bold]linebacker2[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]linebacker2[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bonoforpm[/bold] wrote:
Why don't the police and council tackle this problem properly as has been done in other areas.
Ban outdoor drinking completely in the city centre, they can issue a byelaw to enforce this.
Or would that just upset our "diversity" ?[/p][/quote]Maybe my moaning and from others has been read.
This has been a huge problem and some people just won't go to the city centre because of the street drinkers and beggars along with the abuse some people get.
A bar can only have drinking outside if there is permission on the premises licence. The Co op bank don't have such a licence and l doubt they want this lot there either and they need custom.
The council have let this problem happen again after the last purge. It seems if they show they are doing something then they get votes. It doesn't work like that.
Central government have given the council a lot of money to sort out the whole fiasco. I really hope they use it wisely.
I had a business in the city centre and the street drunks were a problem for the business.
There is a PCSO, a South African lad and he really tries and he wants the problem sorting. I wish there were more like him and then we wouldn't need the police to have to do this every now and then. But a police presence would help.
So they move them on, what next?
I doubt they'll stop drinking but do it elsewhere.
Leeds council now nick aggressive beggars, so should Bradford.[/p][/quote]Through the day time I cannot remember the last time I actually saw some drunk in Leeds. Yes on an evening in the bar areas but you never really see any in the centre.
Whatever Leeds have done so should Bradford[/p][/quote]When you're breezing round Harvey Nicholls with your personal shopper you're not likely to encounter any of the working class, never mind drunks.[/p][/quote]Ah I see... That will be it then
Shame I can't get that experience in Bradford. Will the new Westfield centre have a personal shopping experience?[/p][/quote]It will be lucky if it has tomato sauce.[/p][/quote]Do you also do jokes?[/p][/quote]Don't do jokes, real life observations are much funnier (at times)alive and awake

The headline says it all "Police start purge to rid city centre of problem street drinkers". Its clearly a good move and will make the city centre a more pleasant place to work, shop and play. There will always be an element of unruly behaviour when drink is involved, whether it be from street drinkers or pubs and bars. but Its traditionally down to people to police themselves. In this case it seems that the numbers of street drinkers have increased following the arrival of so many eastern Europeans who probably don't understand our customs and ways.

The headline says it all "Police start purge to rid city centre of problem street drinkers". Its clearly a good move and will make the city centre a more pleasant place to work, shop and play. There will always be an element of unruly behaviour when drink is involved, whether it be from street drinkers or pubs and bars. but Its traditionally down to people to police themselves. In this case it seems that the numbers of street drinkers have increased following the arrival of so many eastern Europeans who probably don't understand our customs and ways.basil fawlty

alive and awake wrote:
Shootings and stabbings on a daily basis, car jackings , robbers bursting into peoples homes, idiots fireing air rifles from attic windows and the Police are going to get tough on a few wino's! Well done, I feel a lot safer now.

You took the words right out of my mouth. Nothing like getting the priorities right is there.....

[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote:
Shootings and stabbings on a daily basis, car jackings , robbers bursting into peoples homes, idiots fireing air rifles from attic windows and the Police are going to get tough on a few wino's! Well done, I feel a lot safer now.[/p][/quote]You took the words right out of my mouth. Nothing like getting the priorities right is there.....Gypsy Wolf

Baildon girl wrote:
Ive commented before on a similar story and stand by what I say, something needs doing about these people although I doubt anything will be. I find them really intimidating at times, to have them shouting at you about your looks when you have young children with you is discusting Ive been on the recieving end and also witnessed a young girl having hasseled from a group outsisde the alambra.

Like a previous posted as also commented it makes visiting the fountains really off putting.

Also the guys who beg down Forster square and down the cobbled track down to the station they are so rude when you just ignore them

Interesting...

Does anyone else on here feel intimidated or threatened when walking (alone or otherwise) in some (if not most) areas of Bradford.

If so, what is your age group?

I had a 'discussion' with BCFC something or other who claimed he didnt feel threatened in Bradford, and I claimed I and my friends did.

I am in the over 50 age group, and when I lived in Bradford I felt undeer threat all the time.

I don't feel threatened but as a large biker type male not much does intimidate me. However my girlfriend and many of her friends will not go into bradford centre after a certain time because they feel extremely unsafe.

[quote][p][bold]WayneRouke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Baildon girl[/bold] wrote:
Ive commented before on a similar story and stand by what I say, something needs doing about these people although I doubt anything will be. I find them really intimidating at times, to have them shouting at you about your looks when you have young children with you is discusting Ive been on the recieving end and also witnessed a young girl having hasseled from a group outsisde the alambra.
Like a previous posted as also commented it makes visiting the fountains really off putting.
Also the guys who beg down Forster square and down the cobbled track down to the station they are so rude when you just ignore them[/p][/quote]Interesting...
Does anyone else on here feel intimidated or threatened when walking (alone or otherwise) in some (if not most) areas of Bradford.
If so, what is your age group?
I had a 'discussion' with BCFC something or other who claimed he didnt feel threatened in Bradford, and I claimed I and my friends did.
I am in the over 50 age group, and when I lived in Bradford I felt undeer threat all the time.[/p][/quote]I don't feel threatened but as a large biker type male not much does intimidate me. However my girlfriend and many of her friends will not go into bradford centre after a certain time because they feel extremely unsafe.Gypsy Wolf

4,000,000 visitors this year, wow, that is serious footfall. The two occasions recently when we went to City Park to the Bradford Festival and the World Curry Festival, it was absolutely heaving, with families taking in the various performers at the BF and Curry making demonstrations by various chefs at the WCF. I never thought City Park was the right scheme to spend the airport cash on but like many others, I've been proved wrong.

4,000,000 visitors this year, wow, that is serious footfall. The two occasions recently when we went to City Park to the Bradford Festival and the World Curry Festival, it was absolutely heaving, with families taking in the various performers at the BF and Curry making demonstrations by various chefs at the WCF. I never thought City Park was the right scheme to spend the airport cash on but like many others, I've been proved wrong.bcfc1903

It's a pity that we CANNOT GET RID OF THE PROBLEM TRAVELLER'S!! .Police can't do owt! council can't do owt! The gypsy liasion officer that the council employ can't do owt. May be it is time to call in a wrecking crew. The council want to get the phone number of the far right organisations Just start with the scumbags occupying the cenotaph on Cleckheaton Road. Low Moor. That will send out a message.

It's a pity that we CANNOT GET RID OF THE PROBLEM TRAVELLER'S!! .Police can't do owt! council can't do owt! The gypsy liasion officer that the council employ can't do owt. May be it is time to call in a wrecking crew. The council want to get the phone number of the far right organisations Just start with the scumbags occupying the cenotaph on Cleckheaton Road. Low Moor. That will send out a message.northern pig

bantam34 wrote:
we have a sever cultutral problem in bradford. too many foregin cultures who think they can behave the same way over here as they have done in the past no doubt in there own country. It wouldnt be tolerated anywhere else so why here!

Because this country has been ruined over the past 20yrs by the looney left PC brigade who tell us we cannot upset these little darlings for fear of breaching their human rights to generally get drunk and harass decent people. I never go into Bradford now unless it is absolutely unavoidable. I have no intention of visiting the new centre either until they do something to make the centre a decent, safe place again.

[quote][p][bold]bantam34[/bold] wrote:
we have a sever cultutral problem in bradford. too many foregin cultures who think they can behave the same way over here as they have done in the past no doubt in there own country. It wouldnt be tolerated anywhere else so why here![/p][/quote]Because this country has been ruined over the past 20yrs by the looney left PC brigade who tell us we cannot upset these little darlings for fear of breaching their human rights to generally get drunk and harass decent people. I never go into Bradford now unless it is absolutely unavoidable. I have no intention of visiting the new centre either until they do something to make the centre a decent, safe place again.purdey28

My partner thinks sexual harassment is normal, she's 27, has lived in Bradford her whole life and experiences it almost every time she ventures into Undercliffe or the city itself, there really does seem to be a prevalent backwards attitude towards females in this city... and its generally not larger louts doing it.

My partner thinks sexual harassment is normal, she's 27, has lived in Bradford her whole life and experiences it almost every time she ventures into Undercliffe or the city itself, there really does seem to be a prevalent backwards attitude towards females in this city... and its generally not larger louts doing it.-LP-

Having recently had the misfortune of having to venture into Bradford city centre I was saddened to see the sorry state of the place. Empty shops all over the place and ridiculous amounts of pay day loan shops and bookies.

However the real joy was reserved for the sights at the bottom of Ivegate. Several drunk people sitting with a couple of worryingly young giggly girls and bizarrely a couple of blacked out cars with 'hard' looking Eastern Europeans simply standing around appearing to do nothing at all but trying to look intimidating.

Up near the old Police station I witnessed blatant drug taking/dealing and unsurprisingly not a single policeman around. There were what appeared to be council cleaners going about their business but of course they're not going to do anything about it.

I'm not suggesting that Bradford City centre is unique in having these problems, it's a sad indictment of society generally as these issues happen everywhere else to a greater or lesser extent.

However Bradford does appear to be unique however in the sheer number of these 'undesirables' that seem to find the Centenary Sq a magnet.

As it's my home city I'm ashamed of what it's become, especially as we only need to look 6 miles away to see how Leeds is regenerating itself.

Maybe it's time for the silent majority to take back our City and not allow an admittedly annoying but small no. of people continue to destroy what was once a great City, and could always be relied on for a top night out circa 80's and 90's.

Or, how about just 2/3 policeman being put there permanently to act a as deterrent. Doubtless some will say that would cost too much, however the cost pales into insignificance when you set that against the financial and social damage that is currently being done to the city on a daily basis through lack of investment etc with the notable exception of Westfield.

Discuss .......

Having recently had the misfortune of having to venture into Bradford city centre I was saddened to see the sorry state of the place. Empty shops all over the place and ridiculous amounts of pay day loan shops and bookies.
However the real joy was reserved for the sights at the bottom of Ivegate. Several drunk people sitting with a couple of worryingly young giggly girls and bizarrely a couple of blacked out cars with 'hard' looking Eastern Europeans simply standing around appearing to do nothing at all but trying to look intimidating.
Up near the old Police station I witnessed blatant drug taking/dealing and unsurprisingly not a single policeman around. There were what appeared to be council cleaners going about their business but of course they're not going to do anything about it.
I'm not suggesting that Bradford City centre is unique in having these problems, it's a sad indictment of society generally as these issues happen everywhere else to a greater or lesser extent.
However Bradford does appear to be unique however in the sheer number of these 'undesirables' that seem to find the Centenary Sq a magnet.
As it's my home city I'm ashamed of what it's become, especially as we only need to look 6 miles away to see how Leeds is regenerating itself.
Maybe it's time for the silent majority to take back our City and not allow an admittedly annoying but small no. of people continue to destroy what was once a great City, and could always be relied on for a top night out circa 80's and 90's.
Or, how about just 2/3 policeman being put there permanently to act a as deterrent. Doubtless some will say that would cost too much, however the cost pales into insignificance when you set that against the financial and social damage that is currently being done to the city on a daily basis through lack of investment etc with the notable exception of Westfield.
Discuss .......Macca51

Macca51 wrote:
Having recently had the misfortune of having to venture into Bradford city centre I was saddened to see the sorry state of the place. Empty shops all over the place and ridiculous amounts of pay day loan shops and bookies.

However the real joy was reserved for the sights at the bottom of Ivegate. Several drunk people sitting with a couple of worryingly young giggly girls and bizarrely a couple of blacked out cars with 'hard' looking Eastern Europeans simply standing around appearing to do nothing at all but trying to look intimidating.

Up near the old Police station I witnessed blatant drug taking/dealing and unsurprisingly not a single policeman around. There were what appeared to be council cleaners going about their business but of course they're not going to do anything about it.

I'm not suggesting that Bradford City centre is unique in having these problems, it's a sad indictment of society generally as these issues happen everywhere else to a greater or lesser extent.

However Bradford does appear to be unique however in the sheer number of these 'undesirables' that seem to find the Centenary Sq a magnet.

As it's my home city I'm ashamed of what it's become, especially as we only need to look 6 miles away to see how Leeds is regenerating itself.

Maybe it's time for the silent majority to take back our City and not allow an admittedly annoying but small no. of people continue to destroy what was once a great City, and could always be relied on for a top night out circa 80's and 90's.

Or, how about just 2/3 policeman being put there permanently to act a as deterrent. Doubtless some will say that would cost too much, however the cost pales into insignificance when you set that against the financial and social damage that is currently being done to the city on a daily basis through lack of investment etc with the notable exception of Westfield.

Discuss .......

I wholeheartedly agree. I come from Leeds but have resided here for over 25yrs so rightly, I now consider this my home and I can therefore see the big difference that has taken place between here and Leeds. Bradford was busy, happy and a good place to live when I first came here and I felt I had made the right choice. But I have seen it deteriorate, and somewhat alarmingly, in the past 10yrs. it is not all down to anti social behavior either, the council must also take its fair share of responsibility in allowing this sad decline, while Leeds have not rested on its laurels but have moved with the times and made sure the stayed at forefront in both social and economic aspects. There is no short sharp solution to this problem, nor while we have a bunch of goody two-shoes poking their noses in every time somebody even dare try and restore some decency to our society. The problems are rooted far deeper and it's generally a mess of our own making, and one I don't see anyone been capable or having the guts to tackle head on and restore not only our cities but nations pride and dignity.

[quote][p][bold]Macca51[/bold] wrote:
Having recently had the misfortune of having to venture into Bradford city centre I was saddened to see the sorry state of the place. Empty shops all over the place and ridiculous amounts of pay day loan shops and bookies.
However the real joy was reserved for the sights at the bottom of Ivegate. Several drunk people sitting with a couple of worryingly young giggly girls and bizarrely a couple of blacked out cars with 'hard' looking Eastern Europeans simply standing around appearing to do nothing at all but trying to look intimidating.
Up near the old Police station I witnessed blatant drug taking/dealing and unsurprisingly not a single policeman around. There were what appeared to be council cleaners going about their business but of course they're not going to do anything about it.
I'm not suggesting that Bradford City centre is unique in having these problems, it's a sad indictment of society generally as these issues happen everywhere else to a greater or lesser extent.
However Bradford does appear to be unique however in the sheer number of these 'undesirables' that seem to find the Centenary Sq a magnet.
As it's my home city I'm ashamed of what it's become, especially as we only need to look 6 miles away to see how Leeds is regenerating itself.
Maybe it's time for the silent majority to take back our City and not allow an admittedly annoying but small no. of people continue to destroy what was once a great City, and could always be relied on for a top night out circa 80's and 90's.
Or, how about just 2/3 policeman being put there permanently to act a as deterrent. Doubtless some will say that would cost too much, however the cost pales into insignificance when you set that against the financial and social damage that is currently being done to the city on a daily basis through lack of investment etc with the notable exception of Westfield.
Discuss .......[/p][/quote]I wholeheartedly agree. I come from Leeds but have resided here for over 25yrs so rightly, I now consider this my home and I can therefore see the big difference that has taken place between here and Leeds. Bradford was busy, happy and a good place to live when I first came here and I felt I had made the right choice. But I have seen it deteriorate, and somewhat alarmingly, in the past 10yrs. it is not all down to anti social behavior either, the council must also take its fair share of responsibility in allowing this sad decline, while Leeds have not rested on its laurels but have moved with the times and made sure the stayed at forefront in both social and economic aspects. There is no short sharp solution to this problem, nor while we have a bunch of goody two-shoes poking their noses in every time somebody even dare try and restore some decency to our society. The problems are rooted far deeper and it's generally a mess of our own making, and one I don't see anyone been capable or having the guts to tackle head on and restore not only our cities but nations pride and dignity.purdey28

Macca51 wrote:
Having recently had the misfortune of having to venture into Bradford city centre I was saddened to see the sorry state of the place. Empty shops all over the place and ridiculous amounts of pay day loan shops and bookies.

However the real joy was reserved for the sights at the bottom of Ivegate. Several drunk people sitting with a couple of worryingly young giggly girls and bizarrely a couple of blacked out cars with 'hard' looking Eastern Europeans simply standing around appearing to do nothing at all but trying to look intimidating.

Up near the old Police station I witnessed blatant drug taking/dealing and unsurprisingly not a single policeman around. There were what appeared to be council cleaners going about their business but of course they're not going to do anything about it.

I'm not suggesting that Bradford City centre is unique in having these problems, it's a sad indictment of society generally as these issues happen everywhere else to a greater or lesser extent.

However Bradford does appear to be unique however in the sheer number of these 'undesirables' that seem to find the Centenary Sq a magnet.

As it's my home city I'm ashamed of what it's become, especially as we only need to look 6 miles away to see how Leeds is regenerating itself.

Maybe it's time for the silent majority to take back our City and not allow an admittedly annoying but small no. of people continue to destroy what was once a great City, and could always be relied on for a top night out circa 80's and 90's.

Or, how about just 2/3 policeman being put there permanently to act a as deterrent. Doubtless some will say that would cost too much, however the cost pales into insignificance when you set that against the financial and social damage that is currently being done to the city on a daily basis through lack of investment etc with the notable exception of Westfield.

Discuss .......

Tell this to JAtkinson or BCFC....they seem to think City Park is akin to a multicultural paradise

[quote][p][bold]Macca51[/bold] wrote:
Having recently had the misfortune of having to venture into Bradford city centre I was saddened to see the sorry state of the place. Empty shops all over the place and ridiculous amounts of pay day loan shops and bookies.
However the real joy was reserved for the sights at the bottom of Ivegate. Several drunk people sitting with a couple of worryingly young giggly girls and bizarrely a couple of blacked out cars with 'hard' looking Eastern Europeans simply standing around appearing to do nothing at all but trying to look intimidating.
Up near the old Police station I witnessed blatant drug taking/dealing and unsurprisingly not a single policeman around. There were what appeared to be council cleaners going about their business but of course they're not going to do anything about it.
I'm not suggesting that Bradford City centre is unique in having these problems, it's a sad indictment of society generally as these issues happen everywhere else to a greater or lesser extent.
However Bradford does appear to be unique however in the sheer number of these 'undesirables' that seem to find the Centenary Sq a magnet.
As it's my home city I'm ashamed of what it's become, especially as we only need to look 6 miles away to see how Leeds is regenerating itself.
Maybe it's time for the silent majority to take back our City and not allow an admittedly annoying but small no. of people continue to destroy what was once a great City, and could always be relied on for a top night out circa 80's and 90's.
Or, how about just 2/3 policeman being put there permanently to act a as deterrent. Doubtless some will say that would cost too much, however the cost pales into insignificance when you set that against the financial and social damage that is currently being done to the city on a daily basis through lack of investment etc with the notable exception of Westfield.
Discuss .......[/p][/quote]Tell this to JAtkinson or BCFC....they seem to think City Park is akin to a multicultural paradiseAndy2010

4,000,000 visitors this year, wow, that is serious footfall. The two occasions recently when we went to City Park to the Bradford Festival and the World Curry Festival, it was absolutely heaving, with families taking in the various performers at the BF and Curry making demonstrations by various chefs at the WCF. I never thought City Park was the right scheme to spend the airport cash on but like many others, I've been proved wrong.

4,000,000 visitors this year, wow, that is serious footfall. The two occasions recently when we went to City Park to the Bradford Festival and the World Curry Festival, it was absolutely heaving, with families taking in the various performers at the BF and Curry making demonstrations by various chefs at the WCF. I never thought City Park was the right scheme to spend the airport cash on but like many others, I've been proved wrong.bcfc1903

OLDLAD wrote:
Get the council to make it an offence to drink, other than at a bar, in public. This has been done in other places and worked.

That's exactly what we need in order to attract new business and development

[quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote:
Get the council to make it an offence to drink, other than at a bar, in public. This has been done in other places and worked.[/p][/quote]That's exactly what we need in order to attract new business and developmentSpec0071

bcfc1903 wrote:
4,000,000 visitors this year, wow, that is serious footfall. The two occasions recently when we went to City Park to the Bradford Festival and the World Curry Festival, it was absolutely heaving, with families taking in the various performers at the BF and Curry making demonstrations by various chefs at the WCF. I never thought City Park was the right scheme to spend the airport cash on but like many others, I've been proved wrong.

TWO events, wow, that really balances the books and justifies a total wast of money - not!

It's a complete waste of money and nothing more than a Bradford council vanity project. You need to get down there other days of the week when it is frequented by drunks and people scrounging, it is a lot more than twice a year.

[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote:
4,000,000 visitors this year, wow, that is serious footfall. The two occasions recently when we went to City Park to the Bradford Festival and the World Curry Festival, it was absolutely heaving, with families taking in the various performers at the BF and Curry making demonstrations by various chefs at the WCF. I never thought City Park was the right scheme to spend the airport cash on but like many others, I've been proved wrong.[/p][/quote]TWO events, wow, that really balances the books and justifies a total wast of money - not!
It's a complete waste of money and nothing more than a Bradford council vanity project. You need to get down there other days of the week when it is frequented by drunks and people scrounging, it is a lot more than twice a year.purdey28

bcfc1903 wrote:
4,000,000 visitors this year, wow, that is serious footfall. The two occasions recently when we went to City Park to the Bradford Festival and the World Curry Festival, it was absolutely heaving, with families taking in the various performers at the BF and Curry making demonstrations by various chefs at the WCF. I never thought City Park was the right scheme to spend the airport cash on but like many others, I've been proved wrong.

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[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote:
4,000,000 visitors this year, wow, that is serious footfall. The two occasions recently when we went to City Park to the Bradford Festival and the World Curry Festival, it was absolutely heaving, with families taking in the various performers at the BF and Curry making demonstrations by various chefs at the WCF. I never thought City Park was the right scheme to spend the airport cash on but like many others, I've been proved wrong.[/p][/quote]🔔🔚SinnerSaint

Walking through Bradford you come across drunks, smackheads etc. "must be the same in every city?" but generally they dont bother me and i dont bother them, what does bother me is some over educated pleb insisting that i need to make a direct debit to some unheard of charity, then treated as some kind of nazi because i decline their wonderful offer.
But thats just me.

Walking through Bradford you come across drunks, smackheads etc. "must be the same in every city?" but generally they dont bother me and i dont bother them, what does bother me is some over educated pleb insisting that i need to make a direct debit to some unheard of charity, then treated as some kind of nazi because i decline their wonderful offer.
But thats just me.What?,when?,where?

There's a lot of negativity, but at least it's a start. Although I grew up on the South Coast, I had family in the Bradford area and visited a lot as a kid. I went back about 7 years ago and couldn't wait to leave, vowing never to return.

I've been back recently on two occasions, and whilst there is a long way to go, the progress is apparent. On a summers day, centenary square is a lovely place to while away some time, I also visited the alhambra and stayed in the great victoria, both of which I'd recommend. What really struck me was how quiet the City Centre was at night, apart from a pocket of bars in the Sackville Street area, it was a ghost town.

I've lived in Liverpool for 20 years since being a student here and the change from then to now is unbelievable and a lot of the original developments were opposed by locals and seen as a waste of money, the city is thriving now and has a massive buzz about it.

However, think yourself lucky you don't have designated drinking zones, where the drunkards are rounded up and given an area to drink in, right next to a residential area!!!!!

There's a lot of negativity, but at least it's a start. Although I grew up on the South Coast, I had family in the Bradford area and visited a lot as a kid. I went back about 7 years ago and couldn't wait to leave, vowing never to return.
I've been back recently on two occasions, and whilst there is a long way to go, the progress is apparent. On a summers day, centenary square is a lovely place to while away some time, I also visited the alhambra and stayed in the great victoria, both of which I'd recommend. What really struck me was how quiet the City Centre was at night, apart from a pocket of bars in the Sackville Street area, it was a ghost town.
I've lived in Liverpool for 20 years since being a student here and the change from then to now is unbelievable and a lot of the original developments were opposed by locals and seen as a waste of money, the city is thriving now and has a massive buzz about it.
However, think yourself lucky you don't have designated drinking zones, where the drunkards are rounded up and given an area to drink in, right next to a residential area!!!!!St.John

bcfc1903 wrote:
4,000,000 visitors this year, wow, that is serious footfall. The two occasions recently when we went to City Park to the Bradford Festival and the World Curry Festival, it was absolutely heaving, with families taking in the various performers at the BF and Curry making demonstrations by various chefs at the WCF. I never thought City Park was the right scheme to spend the airport cash on but like many others, I've been proved wrong.

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4,000,000 visitors this year, wow, that is serious footfall. The two occasions recently when we went to City Park to the Bradford Festival and the World Curry Festival, it was absolutely heaving, with families taking in the various performers at the BF and Curry making demonstrations by various chefs at the WCF. I never thought City Park was the right scheme to spend the airport cash on but like many others, I've been proved wrong.

[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote:
4,000,000 visitors this year, wow, that is serious footfall. The two occasions recently when we went to City Park to the Bradford Festival and the World Curry Festival, it was absolutely heaving, with families taking in the various performers at the BF and Curry making demonstrations by various chefs at the WCF. I never thought City Park was the right scheme to spend the airport cash on but like many others, I've been proved wrong.[/p][/quote]🔔🔚[/p][/quote]4,000,000 visitors this year, wow, that is serious footfall. The two occasions recently when we went to City Park to the Bradford Festival and the World Curry Festival, it was absolutely heaving, with families taking in the various performers at the BF and Curry making demonstrations by various chefs at the WCF. I never thought City Park was the right scheme to spend the airport cash on but like many others, I've been proved wrong.bcfc1903

It's about time. Get rid of the scum who bring our City down. It's finally on the up and these people need to be removed! Hopefully they will accept help offered and turn their lives around, but I don't hold out much with this.

It's about time. Get rid of the scum who bring our City down. It's finally on the up and these people need to be removed! Hopefully they will accept help offered and turn their lives around, but I don't hold out much with this.Bradford56