Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

To be honest, once we're past the first tier of raiding in Cata, I'll have enough tank gear built up to just swap to the tank presence and tank heroics as frost anyways. Since crit immunity will be built into presence, any gear with health armor and avoidance will make you a not terrible tank. Sure you'd take less damage and go faster if you were actually blood, but considering aoe threat from frost, I can't imagine that a frost or unholy dk with t11 tanking gear couldn't roflstomp their daily heroic easily. Sure you'll never tank raids, but it doesn't mean you can't tank at all.

Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

Originally Posted by Alienganja

I believe this will be a welcomed change, especially since in all honesty they're gonna nerf a lot of the blood talents that bring in a ton of health.

I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade, but think about it...Bloodworms is probably gonna become your "last minute" talent with a hefty cooldown. Most of the other talents will be nerfed to bring them in to more unison with warrior/druid/paladin abilities, you'll probably lose a lot of that self healing, considering it's going to be a main tanking tree, thus...overpowered self healing would be seen as ridiculous.

It'll be interesting to see what happens, but to those of you rejoicing thinking that you're going to be soloing heroics and be at the state you were at the beginning at WotLK...you thought wrong. There will be endless QQ over the next few months, as these changes come to light. I'm going to be glad when people quote this post and say, oh hey look he was right. GL DK's...GL.

Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

If you didnt see this coming you havent been keeping up with the announcements. There would be no way the mastery system could work with hybrid trees. A DPS with 5% passage dodge or 6% less magic damage is not what blizzard wants to see. Plus blizzard has already announce the mastery talents for the frost tree:

"Frost Death Knight

For each talent point spent in the Frost tree, the death knight also gets:
Damage – Improves your melee and spell damage by X%.
Haste – Improves your melee Haste by Y%. This might allow us to remove some of the Haste in the Icy Talons line of talents.
Runic Power – Improves the rate of runic power generated by abilities. While all death knights want runic power, Frost death knights would generally have more runic power than Blood or Unholy death knights (who would receive a different benefit from their respective trees). Mastery on gear would boost this bonus, and no other talent tree would grant it."

Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

Really sucks for me and allot of others that LOVED the blood DPS tree. I leveled as it, geared as it and raided as it and now its going :'(.
Anyways, I hate Unholy and anyone that says that they are the same thing w/ a Ghoul obviously haven't played both of them properly.
The only other alternative is Frost DW, which I don't really like either. Man I hope Frost 2H will be viable in Cata...

Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

One more thing: Can we expect to say good riddance to the talents that are deep into the other trees?

No more acclimation? It was a fun talent that never got to see it's potential.

What about the fun dps talents taken along with blood tanking? No more hysteria? No more abominations might? (Not saying you should take these but...) sudden doom? Blood worms? Dancing Rune Weapon? Those are almost solely dps increases. Will those go the way of the dodo?

I just don't like the idea of everything being scrapped that had room for improvement b/c the lead designers are lazy.

Oh I don't mean lazy, i mean looking out for the "good of the people". Ridiculous.

You really need to wake up and smell the coffee. The amount of time that blizzard has taken to balance Dk's is insane. There are other classes out there, and instead of considering only one part of the population they are considering the best for all the population. If you knew anything about government this would make perfect sense. They shouldn't conform to the minority, but to the masses.

Not to mention if you have looked back you would have known that Blood is THE tanking spec, and the unholy or frost have been the most vitiable dps spec's. So take your alt QQ and tell it to someone who cares. This is in the best interests of the game, and if you cannot accept it then go back to rune scape.

"If you want to play the game how you want, do so, but don't do it with me. If you wanna play super mario brothers and just jump up and down until the clock runs out and you die, by all means do it when I'm not player two and waiting for you to stop being an asshole."

Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

Ok honestly, this is the biggest amount of bollocks I've seen in a while.

I have been tanking in this game since before TBC, because it's what I enjoy the most and what I seem to be the best at. I chose the DK class to tank in WotLK because Blizzard completely ruined my warrior with the changes (tanked through Sunwell, yes pre-nerf). The thing I have enjoyed about playing the DK as a tank class is it's high versatility. I do admit this is somewhat hypocritical because I have been a Blood DK tank from DAY ONE. I have poured too much time into learning the finer points of the class including gearing, specs, theorycrafting and not reading EJ or having anyone else spoon feed me a gear list or rotation; only for this to happen. The DK class was the only truly inventive class left in the game in my opinion. People joke about "rofl dk rollface lololol", but to be a good DK, such is not the case. And what now, Blizzard (Ghostcrawler) does what it is that they have learned to do, homogenize classes, content, the WoW experience, etc.. This is ridiculous and I've grown weary of this, I think this may be the thing that breaks me.

Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

Originally Posted by Sizzlorr

Ugh, I can't stand Blood, looks like I got dual spec for nothing.

start pvping??

Anyway, I really like this change though im suprised they didnt pick frost as frost seems to stand for less damage considering that frost is really hard and blood would seem more like a dps specc with the healing abilities.

Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

A great change in my opinion. Death Knight talents were sure getting confusing, especially in comparison to the other classes. I'm glad Blizzard acknowledges the fact that their generosity in allowing players to be versatile, ended up making talent trees filled with talents that are doing three different things each. Yes, Death Knight tanks may feel like they become homogenized and yes, Blood Dps (such as me) may feel facerolled, but in the end i am sure it will work out just fine. Mages have to live with the fact that Frost is (not yet) a valiable raid specc, even though there are probably a lot of Mages who would love to toss some Frostbolts at the boss' face like in the old days. Same will go for Blood when Cataclysm launches.

I believe that classes are not being homogenized, especially with the introduction of Mastery. And if you'd still have the feeling that guildie's Death Knight seems a lot like your own Death Knight, then there is Path of the Titans. Sure, some classes share similar abilities but that's to improve playing convenience. I really would QQ seeing more encounters like Instructor Razuvious introduced, where your raid is dependant of the ability of one single class.

Plus, Blizzard hasn't released it's topic about Death Knight changes yet. Who knows what it brings =)

Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

I <3 Tanking. I <3 DK tanking; Blizz has homogenized the shit out of this game to make it 'accessible' ($$$) - I will miss the only class that still afforded creative players an inventive approach to talent, gear and playstyle choices - ie the DK class has alot of viable ways to get the job done.

By the same token, these changes are probably needed (sad face) and should help balance pve and lesson pvp-related pve nerfs (happy face). Alas I will hold final judgment until I can play the final, Cataclysm version.

Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

I <3 Tanking. I <3 DK tanking; Blizz has homogenized the shit out of this game to make it 'accessible' ($$$) - I will miss the only class that still afforded creative players an inventive approach to talent, gear and playstyle choices - ie the DK class has alot of viable ways to get the job done.

By the same token, these changes are probably needed (sad face) and should help balance pve and lesson pvp-related pve nerfs (happy face). Alas I will hold final judgment until I can play the final, Cataclysm version.

Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

at last !!! finally a proper tank tree
frost was good and fun but was very healer dependent im chuffed blood will be THE tank tree as it makes so much sense,, dreadplate and antimagic shell in blood tree NOW pls ;P

Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

Well, I'm really disappointed with this. One of the best things about the Death Knight was the ability to play whatever you liked best, doing what you liked to do with it. And I really enjoyed being blood dps, something different with a unique play-style. My off-spec was a frost tank spec that was really fun to use in heroics.

I hate that now we'll have no choice in what we can do: if you like blood's rotation for dps, tough, you have to respec. Like frost tanking? Being removed... It's just limiting the choices, and I'm really disappointed that blizzard is using this to 'fix' the problem, which, as far as I'm concerned is not a huge issue at all.