Illegal immigration is recognized by many U.S. Citizens to be a threat to our nation. It's is a balkanizing process. It disrupts communities. It places financial strain on regions of our nation. It costs our nation tens of billions of dollars a year, if not hundreds. It is destroying our health care system. It disrupts the education system financially and in the teaching process due to language problems. It can place English speaking children at a disadvantage, in that spanish children receive elevated resources while English speaking kids take a back seat in the early years. There are problems of serious crime, multiple identities and recidivism.

These are serious issues, but let's ignore them. Remember, the apologists for illegal immigrants do it all the time. For once lets join them. (temporarily)

Right now lets spend a few moments exploring the number one rationalization for allowing the United States to be invaded and over-run by another nation's populace.

And what is that rationalization? Well of course, it's the "fact" that Mexicans only want a chance to earn a living for their families.

Think about that for a moment. You and I are being asked to allow our nation to be over-run, our language replaced, our neighbor's job and possibly your own given to a foreign national. We are being asked to pay their children's education. We are being asked to give them free health care. We are being asked to accept hospitals having to reduce services across the board, in order to recoup the expenditures for which hospitals are not reimbursed. Not only do you pay for illegal aliens health care, your own is being savaged in the process. You may not think so. That's okay. It is. All of this is asked, or more accurately demanded of you and I. We have very little choice.

I have never read an article about starvation in Mexico. I have never read of children being taken to mass orphanages because parents couldn't support them. I have never seen expansive stories about homelessness. Although Tijuana's cardboard city is legendary, people seem to be able to survive over there. I don't like the fact that Mexico's government allows this, but I am powerless to do anything about it. Trashing my own nation is not an option as far as I am concerned.

Look, I don't like homeless people on the streets of Los Angeles, but I'm not going to invite ten of them into my house to fix it. The United States is your and my house.

What I see is a massive number of people who wanted to live a better life, and decided to take that life from us. As your tax dollars go to pay for these people, that is exactly what is happening. They are taking from us. Lets be clear about this. These folks were not dying. They were not in danger of losing their family. They were not in danger of starving. What we are talking about, is a bunch of people who wanted a better life. That's it. That's all it amounted to.

How about you folks? It's all relative. I mean you're not dying. You're not in danger of losing your family. You're not in danger of starving. What we are talking about here is a better life. Do you want a better life? That's it. That's all we're talking about here.

Under the current policy of the United States, foreign nationals are entitled to a better life. Unless we're a racist nation, U.S. Citizens should be entitled to a better life also. As we have seen, breaking laws is an approved method of achieving a better life. It's okay for people to break into our nation. People can work in violation of U.S. laws. People are entitled to free health care for their whole family, and all children are entitled to a free education. That this can be achieved is proof positive that crime does pay, and all it takes to justify this is that you want a better life for you and your family.

This is rather liberating. I've wanted a new home for quite some time. Tomorrow morning I can go outside, take one look at the beautiful day, get in my car and go shopping. By tomorrow evening I'll have picked out a great new house, where I plan to move in. I'll pack up and move in on the following day. The next day I'll pick out a new car on the local dealer's lot and demand the keys. If I show up at the door, they'll have to serve me. Our current health care polices for illegal immigrants have proven that.

If I want more income, I'll just go to the local bank and have one of my kids walk up to the teller and demand $100,000. After all, the children of illegal immigrants are given a $100,000 education for free. When that runs out, I make certain to have had another kid who can walk up to the teller.

You know, this illegal immigration thing is looking better all the time. I take that headline back. I think it's the obstructionists like myself who have been depantsed. Who could argue against what the apologists for illegal immigrant have been backing for decades. I think they may be on the right track after all.

Hey folks, there's going to be a party at my new home on the 17th, I'll post the address, date and time later so all my friends with new homes, new cars and lots of cash can drop by.

What we should have been doing is placing massive pressure on Mexico's leadership to help their own people. There is so much corruption down there, I'm not convinced we want to take it over and expose ourselves to it. I mean it.

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posted on 03/31/2006 5:03:38 PM PST
by DoughtyOne
(If you don't want to be lumped in with those who commit violence in your name, take steps to end it.)

Somebody is gonna have to help me figure out how to get it out of the trunk of my new Lamborghini Ferrari Tomaso stretch Mini-SUV van tho... I couldn't make up my mind which one to buy so I bought them all and had them all put together by ChopShops'R'Us.. Their motto, "You shop, We chop." They don't hire illegals there for some reason tho, so I can't speak to the quality of the work they do, but Hey.. them's the breaks. ;-)

I'm having the Swedish Female Sharpshooters squad flown over too so I hope you have a hugh Hot Tub at your new place, I hope? ;-)

My dear PRND21, the left and their fellow travelers love illegal immigrations. Check out the marxist sites that support the Palestinians and the illegal immigrant at the same sites. You should know about them already you're so deep in the defense of these folks.

As for that person's last comment, so what? I want a president that thinks of citizens lives first.

As for me being a basher of Bush, I'm also a defender of Bush. That's the way it works for those of us with a brain.

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posted on 03/31/2006 5:10:21 PM PST
by DoughtyOne
(If you don't want to be lumped in with those who commit violence in your name, take steps to end it.)

I would agree that citizenship in a state and membership of a nation might be similar, but they are not the same.

If both the citizen and the member were pulling in the same direction, it could be quite similar. Still, until you are a citizen, there is a difference.

If you love the nation, kudos to you as a member. Hopefully you'll take the next step. When you do, and as long as you respect the nation and your fellow citizens, there is no difference IMO.

If you come to a nation and despise it's citizens, break that nation's laws, continue to break them every day and protest in the streets against that nation holding a foreign flag, you are not a member of that nation or on a par anywhere close to that of a citizen.

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posted on 03/31/2006 5:15:53 PM PST
by DoughtyOne
(If you don't want to be lumped in with those who commit violence in your name, take steps to end it.)

Thanks. When did it become evil to demand that U.S. law be adhered to? When I joined up we prided ourselves on the rule of law, high moral standards and compassion for our fellow man, which just happens to be U.S. Citizens.

I don't like what I see in Mexico, but it's the Mexican's duty to fix that. Not ours.

I appreciate it.

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posted on 03/31/2006 5:21:28 PM PST
by DoughtyOne
(If you don't want to be lumped in with those who commit violence in your name, take steps to end it.)

I can't decide which is more ridiculous. Bush saying we're a nation of immigrants, even though 85% of us were born right here, or that the consensus guest worker proposal is anything more then backdoor amnesty.

Bush, McCain, Spector and Graham have joined forces with the Senates liberal Democrats to form a coalition for passage of a liberal immigration policy. I don't see anything conservative about granting amnesty to millions of illegals, unless of course you're a Democrat. The Democrats will be the winners in all this. They will see huge gains in Hispanic voters. There is no upside to amnesty for the GOP. None. The GOP will come out the losers.

Look at the support system for the illegal immigrant, from the left. La Raza, MALDEF, MechLa, A.N.S.W.E.R., La Voz de Aztlan, the wigged out socialist leftist democrats and the moderate (read that liberal) republicans...

How can a grass roots 'conservative' align with these groups? Every one of these groups support the Palestinians as well.

Do people not know this?

Yikes.

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posted on 03/31/2006 5:35:13 PM PST
by DoughtyOne
(If you don't want to be lumped in with those who commit violence in your name, take steps to end it.)

You remember when W. made his 2000 nomination acceptance speech, he spoke a few lines in Spanish.

I knew right then and there that he did not get this issue.

Naturally, this country will have a lot of Hispanic immigration. I am okay with that as long as it is legal and they come here to become part of our culture, to adopt our language, to leave at home the flags and allegiances that belong to the old country.

Bush does not get that. He might have said ~in~ ~English~, "And to our newest Americans...welcome. You come as generations have before to contribute and become part of this great nation."

But, instead, he pandered to Hispanic culture rather than insisting on American culture, and he encouraged their dual loyalty. (dual at best)

Granted. I know, you know and they know. Many other folks, many FReepers and lurkers to FR don't understand what this is all about. Its about power and control. My approach is strictly political. This is all about conservatism versus liberalism. Its about sovereignty and whether we promote the USA as a nation with borders, or whether we allow this outrageopus open borders policy to continue. Are we as Americans going to stand for the rule of law, or allow illegals to cross into our homeland unabated. Americans want tougher border enforcement and employer sanctions. Amnesty WILL satisfy liberals, anarchists, communists, socialists and globalists, but I doubt the American people would find such a move advantageous to the future of the USA.

Please remind me how many of those folks over at the Cato Institue, the Heritage Foundation and those other agencies have worked in the health care industry in Southern California, have had their children beaten up by the children of illegal immigrants taunted with racial slurs during the process and have to drive through iron fenced yards and barred windowed communities on their way to work? Inquiring minds would like to know.

Thanks Ben.

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posted on 03/31/2006 5:54:10 PM PST
by DoughtyOne
(If you don't want to be lumped in with those who commit violence in your name, take steps to end it.)

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