Assuming that's the real manifesto. The first version I read just talked about the LAPD. Seemed odd to me that someone on a shooting rampage would be pro gun control- and supporting Feinstein's bill no less? I dunno- he is a nut on a shooting rampage, and I do tend to be conspiracy minded, but there's something incongruous about the celebrity sucking sections of that document.

Mojo23 (if that really is your name) - I'm not at all interested in having an AboveTopSecret discussion about the federal government killing cops and making this guy a patsy and planting fake documents, or any of that ****.

2/11/2013 11:16am,

Devil

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Originally Posted by Rock Ape

Would you agree that his knowledge of Police procedure and general doctrine is providing him with an advantage..

I find it difficult, given the very public knowledge of this person's activities and, they know who he is, that he's remaining at large without the help and assistance of others.

To ultimately achieve his aims he needs to be mobile and have the ability to plan, prepare and then deliver his objectives, this can't be easy if operating alone. At this stage, I'm guessing he's already achieved what he set out to do by creating the fear factor and, upping the tactical alert status of an entire police force. I'm making an assumption therefore that he could just lay low for a protracted time before choosing to act again (if ever).

I would definitely agree that his knowledge gives him an advantage.

I also agree that he can't hide forever without help but it hasn't been that long. He could've had enough food in a single pack to survive longer than this. Plus, surviving/hiding and mounting any kind of offense are two different things. I believe he'll get caught, or more likely killed when he starts moving around again. Everybody knows who he is. I expect he'll kill a couple more in the process though.

2/11/2013 11:28am,

Diesel_tke

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Originally Posted by Devil

Of course it's a big deal if you're one of the three. You're missing my point. My point is that others have been more successful in their efforts and it hasn't served as a roadmap for terror that others have followed, which is what you were getting at in your post. The DC shooters are the first that come to mind. That manhunt was every bit as big as this one, if not bigger. This is not some unprecedented new level of terror.

If he goes for a while without being captured and keeps killing cops for the next 6 months, I'll re-evaluate my assessment of the situation.

Yeah, I followed the DC shooters pretty close. One of the people killed was one if my teachers in high school. Yeah, they did a pretty good job and could have gone further if they really wanted to.

I'm not saying it is unprecedented, but it seems like more of this stuff is popping up lately, and the more it happens, the more people learn from them. It would be better if all of his tactics were not plastered all over the net and TV for people to see.

Obviously opinions will change as this goes on, or ends. I tend to be pessimistic on these types of things, I guess.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rock Ape

Would you agree that his knowledge of Police procedure and general doctrine is providing him with an advantage..

I find it difficult, given the very public knowledge of this person's activities and, they know who he is, that he's remaining at large without the help and assistance of others.

To ultimately achieve his aims he needs to be mobile and have the ability to plan, prepare and then deliver his objectives, this can't be easy if operating alone. At this stage, I'm guessing he's already achieved what he set out to do by creating the fear factor and, upping the tactical alert status of an entire police force. I'm making an assumption therefore that he could just lay low for a protracted time before choosing to act again (if ever).

Yeah, his knowledge of police tactics, specifically the ones he is targeting would be very benificial. He knows, from the inside what they will be doing to try and find him which would allow him to stay hidden longer, compared to someone ignorant of their methods. But, the fact that they know that he knows is also benificial to the police because they will know some stuff wont work, right away.

I think he difinitly will already think he is successful. Just having the police on high tactical alert will be satifying to him. It will also cause a lot of fatigue and stress on the ones pursuing him. That helps him, too. I would assume they are bringing in the FBI to help, but every part of that department will be feeling this worse and worse as it goes on.

If he is doing it without any help, then he is even more of a bad ass. But he has had a few years to plan, if he has been doing that. So he may have thuroughly set up his safe areas, alternate transpertation, and food sources.

2/11/2013 11:34am,

Diesel_tke

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Originally Posted by Devil

I would definitely agree that his knowledge gives him an advantage.

I also agree that he can't hide forever without help but it hasn't been that long. He could've had enough food in a single pack to survive longer than this. Plus, surviving/hiding and mounting any kind of offense are two different things. I believe he'll get caught, or more likely killed when he starts moving around again. Everybody knows who he is. I expect he'll kill a couple more in the process though.

Yeah, I'm guessing that he has another car since he ditched his. If he had a car/van/SUV that was packed full of suplies then that alone can last him for a while. Then he just needs a place to park and hide.

2/11/2013 11:38am,

Devil

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Originally Posted by Diesel_tke

If he is doing it without any help, then he is even more of a bad ass.

If you think this guy is a badass, I would say you're easily impressed. He killed two unsuspecting civilians, then had a couple shootouts with officers resulting in one death - all with the element of surprise on his side before the full scope of the situation was clear to law enforcement.

Now he's off in a hidey hole somewhere just hoping he'll be able to find a way to kill a couple more cops before he gets wasted.

McKayla Maroney is not impressed.

2/11/2013 11:52am,

Diesel_tke

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Originally Posted by Devil

If you think this guy is a badass, I would say you're easily impressed.

I don't think he has earned bad ass status yet. That's why I said "more of a", rather than "is a". Time will tell.

And who is McKayla Maroney?

2/11/2013 11:56am,

Devil

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Originally Posted by Diesel_tke

I don't think he has earned bad ass status yet. That's why I said "more of a", rather than "is a". Time will tell.

It seems like he was a better than average human being before snapping.

2/11/2013 12:46pm,

Diesel_tke

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Originally Posted by Devil

Oh, nevermind. I hate explaining jokes.

I'm fucking off. I know who she is. :)

Yeah, I noticed that every picture they post is him smilling and seems to be having a good time. I hope they can find some pictures of him looking mean so we can villainize him a little better.

2/11/2013 12:58pm,

mojo23

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Originally Posted by Devil

Mojo23 (if that really is your name) - I'm not at all interested in having an AboveTopSecret discussion about the federal government killing cops and making this guy a patsy and planting fake documents, or any of that ****.

I actually think it's far more likely that some idiot blogger decided he'd push an agenda by modifying the manifesto and the media just ran with that version because it mentions people in the media. Reason being, the first place I saw that version was on the website of a filmmaker looking for funds for anti-gun documentaries. But whatever, that's about all the evidence I've got.

And yes, mojo23 is my real name as specified on my long-form birth certificate.