It's simple, I'll list players that if they retired today or if they are just recently retired, would/should they be in the HOF? The players I'm listing are pretty much only players that would have people disputing. Remember, only consider if they retired today, not 5 years from now.

Kudos to Teeman for the Sig"You remember that chap a few years ago, climbed Everest with no oxygen, came down nearly dead...they asked him why he went up there to die. He said I didn't, I went up there to live."

I agree with the other's being kinda shaky overall, epsecially on first ballot.

First, thanks for your highly intelligent and thoughtful response to my suggestion. Second, the last part of my statement read "if he gets in then he gets in." If Modano is a first ballot HOF than why not Selanne or Sundin? If Modano gets first ballot it is b/c he is American born (b/c there are so few that were this good) not because he was dominant. Remember the thread stated, if he left now, and if Modano left now, he would not be a first ballot HOF but I believe a HOF one day.

Sergei Fedorov - Yes - If he wasnt so greedy and stayed with Detroit he would be a shoe in...hopefully his greed wont ruin his chances in NHL history

...oh sweet baby Jesus! Sergei took LESS money to go to Anaheim! Detroit offered him more mid season, but didn't give him enough RESPECT to get his personal prblems in order (Divorce & finding a new agent) beore he signed the contract. The Wings basically told him either signthis now or we're pulling the offer. So Fedorov being a man told the Wings to go f*** themselves and left when it came time. Disregard to crap lower offer the Wings offered him right before he signed with Anaheim, they were pretty much slapping him at that moment...

...with all that being said, on the list the only and I do mean ONLY locks are the aforementioned Fedorov because he IS the all time highest scoring European in the NHL and Modano for the same reason, him being the all time American scoring leader. That's it for guarntee's from you list...

...people with a good chance to get in are Shanahan, Neidermayer & possibly Sundin. The rest of your list is a resounding NO. They just haven't had the affect on the sport as the ones I mentioned. I highly doubt Sundin gets in now that I think about it...

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Sergei Fedorov - Yes - If he wasnt so greedy and stayed with Detroit he would be a shoe in...hopefully his greed wont ruin his chances in NHL history

...oh sweet baby Jesus! Sergei took LESS money to go to Anaheim! Detroit offered him more mid season, but didn't give him enough RESPECT to get his personal prblems in order (Divorce & finding a new agent) beore he signed the contract. The Wings basically told him either signthis now or we're pulling the offer. So Fedorov being a man told the Wings to go f*** themselves and left when it came time. Disregard to crap lower offer the Wings offered him right before he signed with Anaheim, they were pretty much slapping him at that moment...

...with all that being said, on the list the only and I do mean ONLY locks are the aforementioned Fedorov because he IS the all time highest scoring European in the NHL and Modano for the same reason, him being the all time American scoring leader. That's it for guarntee's from you list...

...people with a good chance to get in are Shanahan, Neidermayer & possibly Sundin. The rest of your list is a resounding NO. They just haven't had the affect on the sport as the ones I mentioned. I highly doubt Sundin gets in now that I think about it...

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I think he was asking why Jagr is a shoe-in, and if so, then that has me asking why Jagr is not a shoe-in. He's the most successful European hockey player on the planet, maybe aside from Lids whatever way you look at it.

QUOTE(jaytan @ November 16, 2007 - 06:26PM)

How can any Wings fan in his right mind could ever defend Fedorov? I'm baffled.

What Fedorov actually did for us should outweigh any of his flaws. I honestly can't see us winning 3 cups without him, and if he would have stayed, maybe we would have accomplished more.

For those of you who think Niedermeyer won't make the Hall...wake up. The guy is a virtual shoe-in. He has won more cups then Scott Stevens, a Conn Smythe, a Norris, an Olympic Gold, on pace for a similar(if not better) amount of points, and while not the heavy hitter Stevens was, is a better Defenseman. Plus he has played 7 fewer seasons. Not mentioning his Memorial Cup win and Memorial Cup MVP.

I may hate him just as much as the rest of you, but he will be in the Hall.

For those of you who think Niedermeyer won't make the Hall...wake up. The guy is a virtual shoe-in. He has won more cups then Scott Stevens, a Conn Smythe, a Norris, an Olympic Gold, on pace for a similar(if not better) amount of points, and while not the heavy hitter Stevens was, is a better Defenseman. Plus he has played 7 fewer seasons. Not mentioning his Memorial Cup win and Memorial Cup MVP.

I may hate him just as much as the rest of you, but he will be in the Hall.

When you lose, say little. When you win, say less. --Thanks for the Sig. Offsides--

For those of you who think Niedermeyer won't make the Hall...wake up. The guy is a virtual shoe-in. He has won more cups then Scott Stevens, a Conn Smythe, a Norris, an Olympic Gold, on pace for a similar(if not better) amount of points, and while not the heavy hitter Stevens was, is a better Defenseman. Plus he has played 7 fewer seasons. Not mentioning his Memorial Cup win and Memorial Cup MVP.

I may hate him just as much as the rest of you, but he will be in the Hall.

For those of you who think Niedermeyer won't make the Hall...wake up. The guy is a virtual shoe-in. He has won more cups then Scott Stevens, a Conn Smythe, a Norris, an Olympic Gold, on pace for a similar(if not better) amount of points, and while not the heavy hitter Stevens was, is a better Defenseman. Plus he has played 7 fewer seasons. Not mentioning his Memorial Cup win and Memorial Cup MVP.

I may hate him just as much as the rest of you, but he will be in the Hall.

That was such a good ramble, it was worth mentioning twice! Nah, seriously, I agree with you. He's a very accomplished player and not by luck. Hall shoe-in.

How can any Wings fan in his right mind could ever defend Fedorov? I'm baffled.

...so, by the look of your avatar you are a Probert fan. I assume you are a wings fan as well. Hmmmmm, Probert left as a UFA, the Wings tried to offer him a small contract but he left for MORE money. I am to assume you would defend him for leaving then, being a Probert fan and all...

...a better response from you should have been, how can a Fedorov fan defend the Wings for screwing him by pulling the offer when he had personal issues going on and THEN offering him less money and smaller contract term!

QUOTE(Offsides @ November 16, 2007 - 07:36PM)

Because anyone who half payed attention during Fedorov's career knows he was constantly jacked around by the Wings org...and that big business leaders aren't always 'right'.

Spoken like a TRUE fan of the game!

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