Liberty Counsel Supports Death Penalty for Gays

Right Wing Watch catches Liberty Counsel, the Christian right legal group founded by Jerry Falwell and run by Mat Staver and Matt Barber, with their Facebook cover photo citing a Bible verse that demands that gay people be stoned to death. Here’s the picture:

After RWW pointed that out, Liberty Counsel changed the image, replacing the barbaric verse citation from Leviticus with a citation from the book of Matthew instead. Apparently they think that people don’t save things on the internet and they can magically make their repulsive beliefs disappear. And nothing screams liberty like killing people just for being gay.

Is it just me, or does that image suggest that the man and the woman should only ‘get it on’ in public conveniences?

raven

They rarely cite the bible passage in Deuteronomy that calls for stoning false prophets to death.

That would take care of our fundie xian problem.

All their leaders including Staver and Barber would be dead under piles of rocks.

People would still be throwing rocks of Falwell, even though he has been dead for years. By now the rock pile over him would be hundreds of feet high.

raven

Deuteronomy 18:

20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death.”

21 You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?” 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken.

Live by the magic book, die by the magic book.

or

Be a hypocritical cafeteria xian.

We all know what they chose.

Larry

All their leaders including Staver and Barber would be dead under piles of rocks.

Ahhhh, good times!

matty1

@1 Not only that there is only one cubicle each, imagine the queues.

eric

Is it just me, or does that image suggest that the man and the woman should only ‘get it on’ in public conveniences?

You’re reading it wrong. It means “unisex bathroom in which hand-holding is mandatory.”

timberwoof

To me that sign means that a bipedal tetrapod with a rectangular thorax must hold hands with a bipedal tetrapod with a trapezoidal thorax. Does anyone else find bathroom signs sexist?

“Liberty Counsel”. Faugh. Clearly their message is, “You have the liberty to carry out the responsibilities and obligations that we think are enumerated in the Bible.” Do I have to respect their opinions?

D. C. Sessions

They rarely cite the bible passage in Deuteronomy that calls for stoning false prophets to death.

That’s one of the ones that Jeezus repealed.

We have that on the highest authority: a Christian prophet, who got it straght from Gawd Hisself.

erichoug

It is really pathetic that Christians don’t even know their own theology.

Jesus was the fulfillment of the prophecy, the “New Covenant” which meant that the old laws no longer needed to be followed. So Christians don’t have to keep kosher, can do a lot more on the Sabbath than observant Jews can, can wear fabric made of two fibers. AND! no longer have to stone to death adulterers, disobedient children and gay people.

Keep in mind that the Bible takes exactly 0 position in regards to Lesbians. This is most likely to be because the misogynistic, patriarchal society that wrote the Bible never gave 1 second thought to women as anything other than a literary device and a scapegoat. But, I like to think it is because the bible loved them some lesbians. After all, lesbian women have the lowest rate of HIV infection in the country. And since the wackaloons say it is God punishing the gay, he must really love the lesbians.

raven

It is really pathetic that Christians don’t even know their own theology.

Jesus was the fulfillment of the prophecy, the “New Covenant” which meant that the old laws no longer needed to be followed.

It means they can pick and choose from the OT on the basis of whatever they want at any given moment.

They can eat pork, shellfish, and wear mixed fibers.

They can’t stone false prophets or disobedient children to death.

They can stone gays, heretics, and apostates to death. Or burn witches and sorcerors at the stake.

The earth is no longer flat but it is still 6,000 years old.

Cafeteria xianity is a central organizing principle of the religion. Make up whatever weird stuff you want and claim it came from some kludgy old book no one bothers to read.

Michael Heath

erichoug writes:

It is really pathetic that Christians don’t even know their own theology.

Jesus was the fulfillment of the prophecy, the “New Covenant” which meant that the old laws no longer needed to be followed. So Christians don’t have to keep kosher, can do a lot more on the Sabbath than observant Jews can, can wear fabric made of two fibers. AND! no longer have to stone to death adulterers, disobedient children and gay people.

Ahem.

Matthew 5 [RSV]:

17 “Think not that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. 18 For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. 19 Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Luke 16:17 [Jesus supposedly talking]:

17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away, than for one dot of the law to become void.

2 Timothy 3:16:

16 All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness . . .

Mark 7:

1 Now when the Pharisees gathered together to him [Jesus], with some of the scribes, who had come from Jerusalem, 2 they saw that some of his disciples ate with hands defiled, that is, unwashed. 3 (For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, do not eat unless they wash their hands, observing the tradition of the elders; 4 and when they come from the market place, they do not eat unless they purify themselves; and there are many other traditions which they observe, the washing of cups and pots and vessels of bronze.) 5 And the Pharisees and the scribes asked him, “Why do your disciples not live according to the tradition of the elders, but eat with hands defiled?” 6 And he said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written, ‘This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; 7 in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’ 8 You leave the commandment of God, and hold fast the tradition of men.” 9 And he said to them, “You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God, in order to keep your tradition! 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, let him surely die’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man tells his father or his mother, What you would have gained from me is Corban’ (that is, given to God) — 12 then you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or mother, 13 thus making void the word of God through your tradition which you hand on. And many such things you do.”

The above is also found in Matthew 15.

Matthew 5 demands a standard where the law is the lower boundary of what is required:

27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that every one who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell. 31 “It was also said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ 32 But I say to you that every one who divorces his wife, except on the ground of unchastity, makes her an adulteress; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery. 33 “Again you have heard that it was said to the men of old, ‘You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform to the Lord what you have sworn.’ 34 But I say to you, Do not swear at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, 35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool, or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. 36 And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black. 37 Let what you say be simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything more than this comes from evil. 38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also; 40 and if any one would sue you and take your coat, let him have your cloak as well; 41 and if any one forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42 Give to him who begs from you, and do not refuse him who would borrow from you. 43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you salute only your brethren, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48 You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

D. C. Sessions

Raven@10:

Circumcision!

bmiller

Michael Heath: What a vile faith this religion is. A demanding monster of a deity who created us knowing we will (mostly) fail. Gamers don’t treat their minor characters as badly as Yahweh treats his creation.

magistramarla

This has been a popular bumper sticker here in Texas for years.

When I was teaching, I was sickened by the fact that some fundi parents had stuck this bumper sticker on the wheelchair of their severely autistic daughter, who was a student in the ALE room of the high school. Whenever I passed her in the hall, I always thought that it was very sad that those parents were using the poor child to broadcast their beliefs. She was so very unaware of her surroundings, it was quite obvious that this could not be her choice.

There’s a video, somewhere on the toobz, showing a young woman being stoned to death. I could only watch a couple of minutes; and I hope never to see such a thing again.

While I think folks like Staver and Barber are totally loathsome, nobody deserves that kind of death.

lordshipmayhem

One Scotswoman in bloomers and one Scotsman in a kilt.

Or one crossdressing woman and one crossdressing man.

Or something.

skinnercitycyclist

Isn’t that an awful short skirt for a Xian girl?

Now that we have heard from Jeewizz, let’s hear from Paul and Pseudo-Paul:

Rom. 6:14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

Rom. 7:4 Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.

Rom. 7:6 But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

Col. 2:16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day —

Col. 2:17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

When you cite these conflicting texts, it can be like dueling banjos without the refined culture.

slc1

Re Michael Heath @ #11

Of course, MH is surely aware that the blogs resident physics professor and mathematics department chair has and will cite other passages in the Christian babble that seem to indicate that ole Yeshua ben Yusef said exactly what erichoug cited.

Yes. I have found it sexist for about 20 years now. I stopped wearing skirts, for the most part, in my late teens (a very long time ago) and find the symbols extremely sexist. I don’t think they’ll put any work into finding a less stereotypical image, though.