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ha yeah GTA ill do easy on my own too, well they might be shorter games but the challenge is harder imo, when i first played ocarina of time I finished it in a day and the hardest part of it was at the very start in the deku tree i didnt know you could break the big web by just jumping off the top of the dungeon so I decided to do a leap of faith and than the hardest thing about the game was over. I don't think any 3D game has truly ever frustrated or challenged me.