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To start with the talk around the club is the board made a decision on the coaching last night. im trying to find out how it went. As far as Paul Kennedy not playing seniors you will have to ask him as the word around the club is he didn't want to.
Frankston has lost more than 3 players from last years team and had many injuries i have seen games this year where the reserves have had 6 or 7 fill ins. Grants coaching ability is one thing, but players have to get out there and play the game some have not played the same as last year

FFC have never really been able to step up to senior footy since entering the VFA way back 40 years ago (1 second div flag)
I think the Mace family influence has something to do with it and a losing mentality when it comes to big games.
They also have never captured the mnas of footy goers in Frankston and that is quite strange considering they have a huge area to draw on away form other clubs.

[quote=billythekid]FFC have never really been able to step up to senior footy since entering the VFA way back 40 years ago (1 second div flag)
I think the Mace family influence has something to do with it and a losing mentality when it comes to big games.
They also have never captured the mnas of footy goers in Frankston and that is quite strange considering they have a huge area to draw on away form other clubs.[/quote]

Frankston would have DEAD many years ago if it had not been for the dedication & passion of Brian Mace.
He is the backbone of the Frankston football club & the glue that holds it together. It will be a sorry day for footy the day he goes.
He can rub people up the wrong way & be a bit abrasive but when you get to know him, he leaves you with no doubt as to his love of the Dolphins.

Just for clarification 241, the Dolphins lost 3 players from last yearâ€™s finals team (Raso, Krakouer, Gabriel), while one other who played regular senior football was told he wasnâ€™t required in 09 (Oliver). That isnâ€™t a big turnover of players.

It is obvious that most of the players didnâ€™t play as well this year as in 2008, but the real question is why, and that is what is being discussed in this thread.

[quote=digs][quote=billythekid]FFC have never really been able to step up to senior footy since entering the VFA way back 40 years ago (1 second div flag)
I think the Mace family influence has something to do with it and a losing mentality when it comes to big games.
They also have never captured the mnas of footy goers in Frankston and that is quite strange considering they have a huge area to draw on away form other clubs.[/quote]

Frankston would have DEAD many years ago if it had not been for the dedication & passion of Brian Mace.
He is the backbone of the Frankston football club & the glue that holds it together. It will be a sorry day for footy the day he goes.
He can rub people up the wrong way & be a bit abrasive but when you get to know him, he leaves you with no doubt as to his love of the Dolphins.[/quote]

Sorry I dont agree, but the the other side of the coin is that other talented people are put off by people like Mace who want to run the show themselves liks a dictator and dont believe anyone else has the ability to do so apart from themselves.

If he is such a great administrator why havent Frankston won a flag under his long rule? When Norm Goss Snr ran Port for decades with an iron fist they did win many flags.

Its not how passionate you are ( most cheer squads and kiosk workers are very passionate - but would you want them running the club?)its how much talent and footy smarts you have!

241 u should get your facts straight before posting about who left the club, as paul said the 3 players who left were gabriel, raso, krakouer. might i add that all were on the fringe of selection and played a significant amount (i would estimate at least 5 games) in the reserves last year. the return of senior players who in previous years were automatic selections in burns, ablett, ongarello and other recruits (hibberd, baguley, mcdonald, rogasch, crowe, vic metro u/18 players clark and purves) at least covered the 3 who left. i think that the club recruited well, and the stingrays of 08 were grand finalists - which can be seen by the strong performances of the reserves, so it can be shown that the list was a fair bit stronger in 09 than 08.

burra, the argument that u put forward having 6-7 out from last years finals team, where u said 3-4 playing in the reserves is an interesting one.. if the 3 of the players who left could be covered (see above) then whos fault is it that the other 3-4 were playing in the reserves? if they were so integral to success we had last year then why would they be in the reserves?? injuries can also be discounted because the team had very few injuries in the early part of the season and hadnt put a win on the board.. the club did not actually a huge amount of injuries, and the only reason the reserves were playing short was because of the amount of players that had left disillusioned throughout the year (collins, morris, mcdonald, ablett, conroy, doria, lancaster, hicks).

billythekid u know that that is rubbish what you said about mace and the administration, the 2008 team had no trouble "stepping up" and should have been in a prelim. talented people arent put off by mace as you said, but they are put off by people like grant, who constantly abuses players and does not let them play the game that has worked for them in the past. no faith in the playing group, which is why he has his players do 3-4 "defensive roles" each week. mace does not impose himself at all on the players or coaches, so its just uninformed rubbish billy.

kennedy was not playing senior because the coach didnt want him in the team for personal reasons - he didnt like him, but he made excuses ie. injury concerns, and disciplinary reasons, as to why he played him in the 2's. it was a personal crusade that grant led against him. no way to treat a player who went close to winning the liston trophy in 08.
there are a number of good vfl players who have played the majority of the year
in the 2s, alienated by the coach, and i think we will see this in the finals performances in the coming weeks, because 7-8 of the best 22 are in the ressies.

dolly it was a well written and informed post and shows the people of the vfl what the real problem has been this year at frankston.

i might also add that dean limbach kicked 14 goals against bendigo in the reserves, and was not put up, but the bloke who kicked 2 from the pocket was. also limbach had 3 weeks before kicked 5 of the teams 9 goals in the seniors against geelong, before being dropped after sitting a half on the bench the week after.

Limbach was one player who seemingly was treated like shyte by the Dolphins this year. Limbach's hardly a consistent player, but he's a talent when he's up and going. To have him rotting away in the reserves was a curious decision.

I'd also love to hear your views Dolph, but respect that you may be in a position where you can't and/or don't want to create more issues.

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