Underground water skyrockets from ‘not detected’ to 1.7 Million Bq/liter of strontium-90 and other beta radionuclides — Antimony-125 now showing up — Tepco changes measurements from ‘under analysis’ to ‘out of range’

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Would also like to know a theoretical bq per litre of actual fuel melt i.e. where is
the limit for contaminated groundwater and how many factors of division away
from that maximum are these samples. I mean when does highly contaminated
water just become watery fuel? Another basic arithmetic exercise with the potential
to shed more light on the current situation.

Equipment contamination and operating limits prevent direct readings so they have to make calculations based on actual measurements from a certain distance over a given period of time, temp. etc. using known formulas that yield good results with high levels of certainty. Certainty becomes less and less until you go outside pre-established knowns, into the realm of the unknown where current models fall apart. Which is why data modelers exist with super computer technology to extend the known into the unknown. But this can only happen when you "study" and analyze the results and try to make sense of it. This is why it is SO critical to study these events, chernobyl, fukushima, etc. There is SO much we don't know. And for as long as the money changers are involved, there is so much we will never know.

I don't know what equipment TEPCO had in its Daiichi labs originally, but I do recall their hand-held meters were handicapped early on by being unable to measure anything over 10 Sieverts (1,000 Rem), while the water in the trenches was reading that much from several feet away. The ability to process and read water samples – like, RCS samples, done 'normally' every day at every operating reactor plant – should be better by now. But then again, it costs money so maybe not.

When TMI2 melted, a 10ml RCS sample taken about 30 hours after the accident began was notorious for 1) pegging the bare equipment reporters had managed to get hold of due to the big airborne release caused just by taking the sample, and 2) that little vial pegged the HPs' GM at 1,000 Rem on contact. Joke being that the GM couldn't read any higher, God only knows how hot it really was. Ha ha.

It was put in a lead box and shipped off to Bettis Labs, they did the breakdown of isotopic levels. Which were… dumbfounding. Extrapolated to hundreds of millions of curies of all kinds of nasty stuff in the system. Just standing in a 12×12 foot room with that little vial for 1-3 hours (dependiing on if you were hugging a corner) would kill you. The HP/Chem tech who took the sample got 'paid leave' for the rest of the year…

Point: They CAN break this down if they want. They may not tell you about it.

One can believe TEPCO that the coriums are still in the buildings and in one day this groundwater contamination occurred.

Or, just perhaps, the coriums have been in the ground contaminating the groundwater. Tepco has been fudging the data and just as the German study would indicate the S90 in the groundwater has been exiting into the bay. Very high levels of S90 that will continue for 150 yrs.

Why Tepco's change in strategy? Those very high S90 flows have now extended out into the ocean away from the bay and will be discovered by others soon.

Radiation remediation with the Keshe foundation. Any thoughts??
45 minute video describes nano particle retrieval of radioactive materials easy and inexpensive enough to possibly be workable….I just want some of you brilliant minds to weigh I on this!!! I've posted it in 3 places and no one comments?

It would be nice if there was zeolite installed to replace that could mitigate this disaster.
Also underground dams to stop the flow of mountain fed groundwater flowing through the site and into the Pacific. Trillions and trillions of US$ required to mitigate this and they won't do this as there is too much bank money invested into the once powerful Tepco. More money being spent on the irradiated olympics in Tokyo.

It really does need to be food grade DE (not garden grade or processed) so the silica particles are very small. I think it works by a process of adsorption. The diatom shells are like tiny skeletons or exoskeletons. They are full of little holes. The DE attracts many toxins (negative ionic charge?) to itsself, pathogens, heavy metals. The things captured become entrapped in the skeletal structure of the DE. Harmful substances and pathogens are trapped and pass harmlessly from the body.

There is a company in New Mexico which mines and sells food grade DE from ancient seabeds. It's called Perma Guard. They operate out of Albuquerque, New Mexico. As for proximity to the Los Alamos site, I can't address it. One would imagine the areas being mined have been buried so likely don't contain a great deal of contamination.

According to the family owned company, DE mined there is free of heavy metals and other contaminants.

Taken 4 many years for detox & control of parasites. My dog gets a little bit in her food.

Write to me off list if you have more questions. I'd also like to discuss this further on the Forum for Combatting Radiation and Its Effects. I'm curious to know what others think about using this to help detox from rads. HoTaters@hush.com

Thank you HoTaters, I am a fan of Gregg Braden and Bruce Lipton, regarding my pseudo here, smiles; thank you so much for the info about the clean diatomaceous earth – I am already on it, my animals get it too, but I was not certain about its source… Regarding the sodium alginate: it was pointed out on a post here on ENE and I started looking around… Here some information:

"….. Summary:
Sodium alginate, 1.5 g., given in the form of a com- mercial jelyreduced strontium absorption by afactor of two without significantly inhibiting calcium absorption…."

Well of course they are , I just found that it being in Maine and the Atlantic Ocean that the waters have merged so to speak …please I'm not diminishing the rads that are on that coast if that's what you mean . Sorry that I seem on the defensive but I'm not as articulate as some of you are here it seems

Thanks I'm a little on edge posting of late
I wish we could get some reporters on this
In my neck of the woods
350 .org is going to be in Harvard square protesting the keystone thing and it just amazes me that this has not become an issue
Not a peep from them
A very large sign will be showing up saying Fukishima is here
Talking points are in order

Do your homework or talk to a doctor, maybe an alternative specialist. Anything that is a chelating agent is usually non-discriminate and will suck out all minerals out of your system, both good and bad if come in contact with them. That will cause imbalances in your body and lead to a multitude of other problems. The other drawback is this stuff is mostly extracted from seaweed and the known side affects are hardly worth it.

HoTaters: Sure, eating a nutritious meal to replace minerals and proper amino-acids after trying to cleanse will work for a normally healthy person but people get crazy ideas or go on a tear and overdo things like a fad. Especially the sick bodies who are backed into a corner and looking for quick answers to sudden illnesses or poor a diagnosis turning them desperate.

At the point of being sick does not help your thinking process either.

Alternative medicine is not welcomed/recognized in the US. Even holistic living catches criticism from the mainstream. If you are Hollywood rich, you do want you want with decent help but the little people going against the grain get chastised.

TJ, Mexico, you can find chelation like directed dialysis. They hook you up, run your blood out through filters and back in while you watch TV. I'm sure that would catch some heavy metal at the least.

Drawing out minerals for replacement in a body, you need heavy duty demand (fast?) for a body to call on reserves that lurk stored in fats and bones. Not going to get them all at once as the body reuses them as needed. Like a pregnant women becoming mineral poor or deficient in some nutrients because of fetus growth demands. Body will take them from wherever they are stored then take from the skeleton if it has to. Eating for two means keeping a ready supply of nutrients for both body and fetus.

Not sure if all radioactive elements are used in a body or just stored as part of a cycle.

Thats true Razz. You are right when you say "a chelating agent is usually non-discriminate and will suck out all minerals out of your system,"
Thats why there is not much one can do against radiation .
Good point .

Here's your statement: "Thats why there is not much one can do against radiation.
Good point."

Nice job of transforming my statement into your own opinion on the subject.

If I left space in between the lines so you could manipulate the sentences, let me clarify: "If you are going to use some type of chelation in an attempt to cleanse your body, be careful and take care."

Now 'jan' can explain to us why there is not much one can do against radiation and exactly what she means. Keeping in mind a body will excrete radioactive elements as one goes about living a typical life (mainly via your natural internal filter, the kidneys).

razz Thats just as you said chelating agents do not discriminate .I think its clear . If you use chelating agents to remove all of the isotopes than you will remove all of the minerals as well . That is why it does not work .
I do not use chelating agents .

And building retaining walls or barriers will simply raise the water levels on the site increasing the depth at which contaminated water can escape below the wall- this is just simple physics. This tells me that the tritium is nearly 100% in the water and the other stuff is along for the ride. There is not enough zeolite on the face of the earth to attack this problem – man is the worst animal to exist on the earth. Someone needs to be starting to measure global gross O2 levels in the atmosphere – which if declining would mean a significant decrease in phytoplankton activity – which should be expected. Heaven help us.

Stopping water from flowing into the site would require diverting water flow from mountains at a higher elevation then the plant. Then perhaps barriers on the sea side of melted out plants would not over flow.. As I said, lots of money should be spent. They continue to be secretive of overall operations to placate investors.

Antimony and its compounds are dangerous to human health. In low levels, these materials can irritate the eyes and lungs. They may also cause stomach pain, diarrhea, vomiting, and stomach ulcers. At higher doses, antimony and its compounds can cause lung, heart, liver, and kidney damage. At very high doses, they can cause death.

Uses: Antimony is widely used in alloying to increase hardness and mechanical strength. Antimony is used in the semiconductor industry for infrared detectors, Hall-effect devices, and diodes. The metal and its compounds also used in batteries, bullets, cable sheathing, flame-proofing compounds, glass, ceramics, paints, and pottery. Tartar emetic has been used in medicine. Antimony and many of its compounds are toxic.

The backward pressure up elevation into the Fukushima large underground water aquifer will take decades to advance many miles. But with massive radiation flow into open areas by the ocean then the open air evaporation of radioactive water will create airborne particles carried 360 degrees by the island winds.

Typhoons will also spread poisons from the plant area. The continuing aerial emissions from the buildings and plant grounds adds more.

So the aquifer contamination is more likely to grow from watershed infiltration of those airborne particles. Two hundred years from now the underground plume will advance towards central Japan metro areas, but who knows if anyone other than mutant humans will be alive to notice the final blow.

It is very early to label this nuclear disaster as a country killer. Comparisons with historical natural disasters don't work in this alien poison model. But it is shaping up to visualize the nuclear destruction of Japan as a possible scenario and not just Internet speculation. Not quite three years in and the nuclear payload remains totally out of control and increasing in severity by the day.

Yes, I believe human work at the plant is getting very close to ending because of killer levels of radiation. They have never had a large force anyway compared to Chernobyl. That alone is a clue that they have no viable plan to regain control of the nuclear fuel piles. A political waiting game hoping for a miracle that will never happen.

I would like to know who is handling the samples – I would not open a vial much less be the one collecting it at those levels. No doubt they have a submersible pump in the well and are collecting it remotely – but even that is not going to last too long with these levels – not even neoprene seals in the pumps will hold up long. It would have to be transported in a lead container – but who in the lab is going to open it up. They might open up the lead container enough for a quick scan – but close it fast and simply say that they are not touching it. These data may be the ones that allow them to announce that they must abandon the site – as humans can no longer work there.

They have only removed a hand full of the rods from #4 spent fuel pool and have recently made it clear that removing the rest is more than a challenge- the answer may be to dig a very very very deep hole shored as deep as possible – even into bedrock if necessary- and yes it will be water all the way down as the water table is very shallow – and fill the hole with as much boron as possible and bulldoze it in quickly and cover it with boreated sand and cement- that will require no one working more than 20 minutes at a time near it and probably will require more than 10,000 people – and their last job on earth will be this one. That however will not help the other lost cores from continuing to spew radiation. Why are they continuing to pour water on something that is already in the water table.

Daisy, so true! 🙂
"That however will not help the other lost cores from continuing to spew radiation"

There are 400+ of these Nuclear Cores all over the world and yes they "all will at some point" spew radiation contamination on/over the entire Earth's inhabitants and all other biological life found in our planet's biosphere!

No wonder they want to AI engineer humans since we are all/appear to be slotted for death and forced Nuclear mutation! 🙁

They can probably remove those fuel rods in 1,2,and 3 but they can't approach the reactor buildings. The melted fuel in the ground would prevent digging any where near the reactor spent fuel pools. I don't know what that answer is. Didn't Edgar Cayce predict that Japan would fall into the sea? Sorry – I should not make light of such a serious subject. I analyze things a lot – and I have enough education to probably be more dangerous than instructive – but I'll tell you what I think about most – my two boys – Toby and Tucker – seven pound Maltese – and wonder what I will do if I am big enough to resist the impact of this long enough to have to watch them slide away because I could not protect them. It breaks my heart to see the pictures of the poor seals with pain in their beautiful eyes and blood on their faces wondering what had happened to them as well as the pictures of the sea lions on the beach dead and dying – they did not ask for this. And the many other creatures big and small in the sea – their sea – their home – who are we to destroy that – so we can flip a switch and have light whenever we want it because we are special. I don't feel real special right now – and I am ashamed of many members of my species.

"my two boys – Toby and Tucker – seven pound Maltese – and wonder what I will do if I am big enough to resist the impact of this long enough to have to watch them slide away because I could not protect them."

You’re driving, Miss Daisy.

What you should embrace is that you care, and you are here venting your thoughts here, and educated Light. It is good to flow your truth, even from an angry place in your heart. It's OK. Every soul on the planet has a right to resist their own form of personal extinction. Not much will matter soon, it will only be about how each dying soul chooses to experience this matrix. It could get better, after all.

One day at a time. We are already graced with many survivors here that speak their truths and a place to circle the waggons of care, and concern. It's called Brotherhood/Sisterhood…a basic tenant of humanity.

"Not much will matter soon, it will only be about how each dying soul chooses to experience this matrix."

A lot can matter to the body as it slowly ceases to exist from the aspect of the conscious eternal soul. Choice. We fall and forget these simple truths. Bodies and worlds may fall, but the eternal energy of the soul will always be…somewhere.

No bedrock at Fukushima…just miles and miles of sandstone cracked layers all the way down farther than man has drilled. An arrogant and colossal mistake by the Japanese nucleorats. They have to live and die with that terrible engineering blunder.

Getting ready for the Tokyo Flight…coming one day just like the other budding flight in the works on the west coast of North America. The intelligentsia will flee first. Fight or flight. Humans can't fight invisible poisons. Flight is a viable option, maybe 5% will take it. That would still represent over 2 million in each area fleeing. Massive brain drain and economic losses.

Tokyo residents have fewer migration options than North Americans. Tokyo, not so many. But never underestimate the inborn will to survive and protect personal families.

If people fleeing Japan are radioactive, they will be treated like lepers eventually.

The incomplete TEPCO dams on the seaside are having their effect. The ground is becoming saturated with radioactive materials because the contaminated waters are backing up from the damming. When you have to build a platform to stand on to be above the intense radioactive ground level to do work like drill a well hole, things are going from bad to worse.

TEPCO wants to pave over the radioactive ground as a protective shield. TEPCO is also inept, with all the money in world I don't think they could do it right. I beginning to think nobody could and it's only 3 years into the disaster. The entire site is becoming a low level radioactive waste dump. Soon it will become a no-go zone.

We all are supposed to accept shortened low quality life spans so someone else can profit off it?

We all must be radioactive by now. They can just not tell people they came from Japan. People who receive medical radiation therapy are also radioactive, and there are so many sources of radiation now. And I'm sure radiation from Fukushima and from other nuclear sources are all over the globe now.

I'm sure lots of people left before Fukushima. There are many people who speak with accents in this world. They aren't all radioactive. Beside, people who follow certain dietary guidelines might have got rid of most or all of the radiation. The natives might be even more radioactive than people from Japan. I notice lots of people living near nuclear power plants. These people are showered with radioactivity every day.

Razzz:"Soon it will become a no-go zone…We all are supposed to accept shortened low quality life spans so someone else can profit off it?"

Great summation. It appears this is case, unless we have a miraculous change in position by nations or international bodies who have standing to intervene and demand remediation(whatever this now means).

National political and economic interests have thusfar outweighed the importance of the viability of DNA carrying species.

The big question is how much radiation workers are actually getting exposed to at the plant, and how long work can be performed before it is impractical. Government acknowledgement of the forfeiture of human life should be required, and understood by the workers who are being asked for the ultimate sacrifice.

Work remains, including that on the SFP transfers and hopefully dry-casking. Withdrawal or the threat of such, may play into the financial endgame of Tepco.gov.

That anyone could think NP is safe in Japan or other geologically unstable locations, is insane.

"Yes, I believe human work at the plant is getting very close to ending because of killer levels of radiation."

This seemed a foregone fact that hasn't been approached by too many publicly. I know it's been mine ever since about June or July of 2011, once a separation of this site's damage from the overall tsunami damage and some measure of reported stability (though it may not have been true) regarding the other plants that experienced some impact was seen. I had expected work in earnest that just didn't come. It must be realized the site and the problems are huge. But I listened and watched managers in industry tout the vaunted Japanese production management methods all through the 80s, systems of analytic comparmetation of procedures and responsibilities (just common damned sense, really), the 'just in time' systems that relied upon agile production. I look at this and wonder where in hell that management and effort is. The best minds and the money will drain away to the ocean just like the radioactive materials, and what will be left is a mass of toxic politics and degraded population while the rest of the political world sits and watches, accepts even, claiming to be dumbfounded. What comfort is there in saying 'I knew this would happen'? May as well throw virgins into Fuji…I'd bet it's been suggested. Demented sacrifice never solved anything. But it might become all that's left to do.

if you are watching for trends i believe we are that is those who are invited to do is end up a mostly robotic body containg implanted brain and nervous system. Thats right the Sigularity is near the merging of mostly robotic physical body as machine and brains as tranplanted into machine the advantage I suppose they think they will be able to live 100s of yrs in that form…..One q

As I said one huge question…Why bother?????The Singulity is near. But why bother???Is humanity or whats left of it that panicked that they would pick existing as a 90& robot?Life is truly absurd. The aim was wealth so you destroy our beautiful planet for gold???Its too pathetic for words.My anger no end.My anguish knows no end.This greed thing where did it arise.Too many past hogs that lived good hog lives and have been awarded with Gold diamonds and power? For what?

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