On March 02 2020 03:08 Xain0n wrote:Rogue is very strong when Zerg is strong, and he openly says that.When Zerg is not strong, he drops 0-4 out of Code S.You could forgive Mizen when he called him a patch Zerg because that was just the first patch in which Rogue shone.

In reality, Rogue is kind of a Zerg version of Inno, and he doesn't have many fans because of his extremely abusive playstyle. At his best he is much stronger than Dark in ZvZ and more aggressive and more clutch than Serral(of the current version of Serral, at least).

I think we can consider LoTV as a Z patch.INno has a lot of fans.

Inno shares with Rogue the fact that he is very strong when his race is strong, not his playstyle.

and with Serral

Lies.

It is just a coincidence that he was nothing as a player until 2017 when the world champion was called a patch Zerg, that 2018 had Scarlett who had never won or come close to winning anything ever win her first premiere championship, and that 2019 had soO break his Kong curse, Dark break his worse than soO Kong curse, and Rogue break his GSL curse.

On March 02 2020 03:08 Xain0n wrote:Rogue is very strong when Zerg is strong, and he openly says that.When Zerg is not strong, he drops 0-4 out of Code S.You could forgive Mizen when he called him a patch Zerg because that was just the first patch in which Rogue shone.

In reality, Rogue is kind of a Zerg version of Inno, and he doesn't have many fans because of his extremely abusive playstyle. At his best he is much stronger than Dark in ZvZ and more aggressive and more clutch than Serral(of the current version of Serral, at least).

I think we can consider LoTV as a Z patch.INno has a lot of fans.

Inno shares with Rogue the fact that he is very strong when his race is strong, not his playstyle.

yeah that's why he was the only T to get into ro16 during the blink era.Inno has won titles almost every year. Patch Terran. You're pathetic.

It really looks like you started watching SC2 with LotV.

This idea of patch Terran Inno is yours entirely, jumping to conclusions is pathetic, isn't it?Inno, unlike Maru, tends not to shine when Terran is weak; this doesn't mean he never did, but his career as a top player(not merely as a sc2) is much longer than Rogue's, and more successful.

Yup if you think that Maru shined when Terran was weak you're definitely a LotV only watcher.There are probably less than 10 pro who were extremely good when their race was stupidly weak .Nestea, Mvp, MC, Polt for the first 5 years were good example at some points but it was easier for Nestea/MC since the game was young, I don't know who would be the best P against BL/Infestor in 2012 for that. Polt was the only Terran with one good run in the Blink era and I won't comment on PvZ imbalance by ignorance and lack of memory. Terran since then has always been ok and a race you could win with, with ups (late HotS mech vZ, dropping on colossi vP, Liberators bonanza and raven patch in LotV) and down but nothing that would cripple a top player into ro16/8.

Maru never had anything close to Polt's miraculous run at IEM Cologne which is probably the best showing of anyone fighting stupid imbalance.

On March 02 2020 03:08 Xain0n wrote:Rogue is very strong when Zerg is strong, and he openly says that.When Zerg is not strong, he drops 0-4 out of Code S.You could forgive Mizen when he called him a patch Zerg because that was just the first patch in which Rogue shone.

In reality, Rogue is kind of a Zerg version of Inno, and he doesn't have many fans because of his extremely abusive playstyle. At his best he is much stronger than Dark in ZvZ and more aggressive and more clutch than Serral(of the current version of Serral, at least).

I think we can consider LoTV as a Z patch.INno has a lot of fans.

Inno shares with Rogue the fact that he is very strong when his race is strong, not his playstyle.

yeah that's why he was the only T to get into ro16 during the blink era.Inno has won titles almost every year. Patch Terran. You're pathetic.

It really looks like you started watching SC2 with LotV.

This idea of patch Terran Inno is yours entirely, jumping to conclusions is pathetic, isn't it?Inno, unlike Maru, tends not to shine when Terran is weak; this doesn't mean he never did, but his career as a top player(not merely as a sc2) is much longer than Rogue's, and more successful.

Yup if you think that Maru shined when Terran was weak you're definitely a LotV only watcher.There are probably less than 10 pro who were extremely good when their race was stupidly weak .Nestea, Mvp, MC, Polt for the first 5 years were good example at some points but it was easier for Nestea/MC since the game was young, I don't know who would be the best P against BL/Infestor in 2012 for that. Polt was the only Terran with one good run in the Blink era and I won't comment on PvZ imbalance by ignorance and lack of memory. Terran since then has always been ok and a race you could win with, with ups (late HotS mech vZ, dropping on colossi vP, Liberators bonanza and raven patch in LotV) and down but nothing that would cripple a top player into ro16/8.

Maru never had anything close to Polt's miraculous run at IEM Cologne which is probably the best showing of anyone fighting stupid imbalance.

the WESG 2017 finals was actually played in 2018 where Maru was the only terran in the ro8 in 2 consecutive tournaments and won them both. I stand corrected on the GSL but it doesn't really matter because the balance was just as bad in the season where he got ro4 as it was in the season where he got ro8.

On March 02 2020 03:08 Xain0n wrote:Rogue is very strong when Zerg is strong, and he openly says that.When Zerg is not strong, he drops 0-4 out of Code S.You could forgive Mizen when he called him a patch Zerg because that was just the first patch in which Rogue shone.

In reality, Rogue is kind of a Zerg version of Inno, and he doesn't have many fans because of his extremely abusive playstyle. At his best he is much stronger than Dark in ZvZ and more aggressive and more clutch than Serral(of the current version of Serral, at least).

I think we can consider LoTV as a Z patch.INno has a lot of fans.

Inno shares with Rogue the fact that he is very strong when his race is strong, not his playstyle.

and with Serral

Lies.

It is just a coincidence that he was nothing as a player until 2017 when the world champion was called a patch Zerg, that 2018 had Scarlett who had never won or come close to winning anything ever win her first premiere championship, and that 2019 had soO break his Kong curse, Dark break his worse than soO Kong curse, and Rogue break his GSL curse.

Blatant, gratuitous lies in fact. Serral went full time in 2017, ascended to god tier level mid 2018 when no other Zerg was doing well and won HSC when every Zerg, Rogue included was getting stomped by Terran.Aren't you bored of hating for the sake of it? That's something Imre would call pathetic.

On March 02 2020 03:08 Xain0n wrote:Rogue is very strong when Zerg is strong, and he openly says that.When Zerg is not strong, he drops 0-4 out of Code S.You could forgive Mizen when he called him a patch Zerg because that was just the first patch in which Rogue shone.

In reality, Rogue is kind of a Zerg version of Inno, and he doesn't have many fans because of his extremely abusive playstyle. At his best he is much stronger than Dark in ZvZ and more aggressive and more clutch than Serral(of the current version of Serral, at least).

I think we can consider LoTV as a Z patch.INno has a lot of fans.

Inno shares with Rogue the fact that he is very strong when his race is strong, not his playstyle.

and with Serral

Lies.

It is just a coincidence that he was nothing as a player until 2017 when the world champion was called a patch Zerg, that 2018 had Scarlett who had never won or come close to winning anything ever win her first premiere championship, and that 2019 had soO break his Kong curse, Dark break his worse than soO Kong curse, and Rogue break his GSL curse.

Blatant, gratuitous lies in fact. Serral went full time in 2017, ascended to god tier level mid 2018 when no other Zerg was doing well and won HSC when every Zerg, Rogue included was getting stomped by Terran.Aren't you bored of hating for the sake of it? That's something Imre would call pathetic.

In 2018:Scarlett won IEM PyeongChangRogue won IEM KatowiceDark made 5 top 4s, two of which he made the finals and lost 4:3.

On March 02 2020 03:08 Xain0n wrote:Rogue is very strong when Zerg is strong, and he openly says that.When Zerg is not strong, he drops 0-4 out of Code S.You could forgive Mizen when he called him a patch Zerg because that was just the first patch in which Rogue shone.

In reality, Rogue is kind of a Zerg version of Inno, and he doesn't have many fans because of his extremely abusive playstyle. At his best he is much stronger than Dark in ZvZ and more aggressive and more clutch than Serral(of the current version of Serral, at least).

I think we can consider LoTV as a Z patch.INno has a lot of fans.

Inno shares with Rogue the fact that he is very strong when his race is strong, not his playstyle.

and with Serral

Lies.

It is just a coincidence that he was nothing as a player until 2017 when the world champion was called a patch Zerg, that 2018 had Scarlett who had never won or come close to winning anything ever win her first premiere championship, and that 2019 had soO break his Kong curse, Dark break his worse than soO Kong curse, and Rogue break his GSL curse.

Blatant, gratuitous lies in fact. Serral went full time in 2017, ascended to god tier level mid 2018 when no other Zerg was doing well and won HSC when every Zerg, Rogue included was getting stomped by Terran.Aren't you bored of hating for the sake of it? That's something Imre would call pathetic.

In 2018:Scarlett won IEM PyeongChangRogue won IEM KatowiceDark made 5 top 4s, two of which he made the finals and lost 4:3.

It's really evil to use facts. But what gets me - they actually mentioned 2018 champion Rogue in the finals. So he should have known at least that.

I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.

On March 02 2020 03:08 Xain0n wrote:Rogue is very strong when Zerg is strong, and he openly says that.When Zerg is not strong, he drops 0-4 out of Code S.You could forgive Mizen when he called him a patch Zerg because that was just the first patch in which Rogue shone.

In reality, Rogue is kind of a Zerg version of Inno, and he doesn't have many fans because of his extremely abusive playstyle. At his best he is much stronger than Dark in ZvZ and more aggressive and more clutch than Serral(of the current version of Serral, at least).

I think we can consider LoTV as a Z patch.INno has a lot of fans.

Inno shares with Rogue the fact that he is very strong when his race is strong, not his playstyle.

and with Serral

Lies.

It is just a coincidence that he was nothing as a player until 2017 when the world champion was called a patch Zerg, that 2018 had Scarlett who had never won or come close to winning anything ever win her first premiere championship, and that 2019 had soO break his Kong curse, Dark break his worse than soO Kong curse, and Rogue break his GSL curse.

Blatant, gratuitous lies in fact. Serral went full time in 2017, ascended to god tier level mid 2018 when no other Zerg was doing well and won HSC when every Zerg, Rogue included was getting stomped by Terran.Aren't you bored of hating for the sake of it? That's something Imre would call pathetic.

In 2018:Scarlett won IEM PyeongChangRogue won IEM KatowiceDark made 5 top 4s, two of which he made the finals and lost 4:3.

It's really evil to use facts. But what gets me - they actually mentioned 2018 champion Rogue in the finals. So he should have known at least that.

It's really pointless to use facts not disproving what I have been saying, and really hilarious thinking to be smart while mentioning them.

All these results took place before Serral ascended(MID 2018 tells you anything?);Dark lost to Stats at Super Tournament I in April 2018, before Serral lost 0-2 to soO during Nation Wars.After that, Serral didn't lose a series until Katowice in 2019 and won 6 consecutive tournaments while korean Zerg couldn't reach ro4 in seasons 2 and 3 of Code S and Reynor was the only other Zerg getting to a final, at WCS Montreal.

On March 02 2020 03:08 Xain0n wrote:Rogue is very strong when Zerg is strong, and he openly says that.When Zerg is not strong, he drops 0-4 out of Code S.You could forgive Mizen when he called him a patch Zerg because that was just the first patch in which Rogue shone.

In reality, Rogue is kind of a Zerg version of Inno, and he doesn't have many fans because of his extremely abusive playstyle. At his best he is much stronger than Dark in ZvZ and more aggressive and more clutch than Serral(of the current version of Serral, at least).

I think we can consider LoTV as a Z patch.INno has a lot of fans.

Inno shares with Rogue the fact that he is very strong when his race is strong, not his playstyle.

and with Serral

Lies.

It is just a coincidence that he was nothing as a player until 2017 when the world champion was called a patch Zerg, that 2018 had Scarlett who had never won or come close to winning anything ever win her first premiere championship, and that 2019 had soO break his Kong curse, Dark break his worse than soO Kong curse, and Rogue break his GSL curse.

Blatant, gratuitous lies in fact. Serral went full time in 2017, ascended to god tier level mid 2018 when no other Zerg was doing well and won HSC when every Zerg, Rogue included was getting stomped by Terran.Aren't you bored of hating for the sake of it? That's something Imre would call pathetic.

In 2018:Scarlett won IEM PyeongChangRogue won IEM KatowiceDark made 5 top 4s, two of which he made the finals and lost 4:3.

It's really evil to use facts. But what gets me - they actually mentioned 2018 champion Rogue in the finals. So he should have known at least that.

It's really pointless to use facts not disproving what I have been saying, and really hilarious thinking to be smart while mentioning them.

All these results took place before Serral ascended(MID 2018 tells you anything?);Dark lost to Stats at Super Tournament I in April 2018, before Serral lost 0-2 to soO during Nation Wars.After that, Serral didn't lose a series until Katowice in 2019 and won 6 consecutive tournaments while korean Zerg couldn't reach ro4 in seasons 2 and 3 of Code S and Reynor was the only other Zerg getting to a final, at WCS Montreal.

And Zerg's been dominating since 2017, Serral does well when Zerg does well, that's all. And yes, concerning Reynor, he wasn't full time at the time, but he managed to make it to the final, maybe because he only faced P and T from ro32 ? There is something wrong, but we can't complain on tl.net or blizzard forums, so here we are, with this dreadful meta.

I like Jin Air as a team, but I really hope Trap/Creator can deliver one day, they need to inherit sOs' legacy since he will be the first to retire. The legend of Jin Air trio has to be continued to the end of this game.

On March 02 2020 03:08 Xain0n wrote:Rogue is very strong when Zerg is strong, and he openly says that.When Zerg is not strong, he drops 0-4 out of Code S.You could forgive Mizen when he called him a patch Zerg because that was just the first patch in which Rogue shone.

In reality, Rogue is kind of a Zerg version of Inno, and he doesn't have many fans because of his extremely abusive playstyle. At his best he is much stronger than Dark in ZvZ and more aggressive and more clutch than Serral(of the current version of Serral, at least).

I think we can consider LoTV as a Z patch.INno has a lot of fans.

Inno shares with Rogue the fact that he is very strong when his race is strong, not his playstyle.

and with Serral

Lies.

It is just a coincidence that he was nothing as a player until 2017 when the world champion was called a patch Zerg, that 2018 had Scarlett who had never won or come close to winning anything ever win her first premiere championship, and that 2019 had soO break his Kong curse, Dark break his worse than soO Kong curse, and Rogue break his GSL curse.

Blatant, gratuitous lies in fact. Serral went full time in 2017, ascended to god tier level mid 2018 when no other Zerg was doing well and won HSC when every Zerg, Rogue included was getting stomped by Terran.Aren't you bored of hating for the sake of it? That's something Imre would call pathetic.

In 2018:Scarlett won IEM PyeongChangRogue won IEM KatowiceDark made 5 top 4s, two of which he made the finals and lost 4:3.

It's really evil to use facts. But what gets me - they actually mentioned 2018 champion Rogue in the finals. So he should have known at least that.

It's really pointless to use facts not disproving what I have been saying, and really hilarious thinking to be smart while mentioning them.

All these results took place before Serral ascended(MID 2018 tells you anything?);Dark lost to Stats at Super Tournament I in April 2018, before Serral lost 0-2 to soO during Nation Wars.After that, Serral didn't lose a series until Katowice in 2019 and won 6 consecutive tournaments while korean Zerg couldn't reach ro4 in seasons 2 and 3 of Code S and Reynor was the only other Zerg getting to a final, at WCS Montreal.

Am I the only one who is curious why didn't Inno or Maru tried mech? I mean, they had 8 series combined against zerg, and not even one try to go for it. Also they barely tried to go for late game. Not long ago (1,5 - 2 years ago) Maru destroyed almost every zerg late game, with his overwhelming Micro, Macro, Mechanic.. Inno even recently beat Serral in WESG and Katowice group stage super late game..

On March 02 2020 03:08 Xain0n wrote:Rogue is very strong when Zerg is strong, and he openly says that.When Zerg is not strong, he drops 0-4 out of Code S.You could forgive Mizen when he called him a patch Zerg because that was just the first patch in which Rogue shone.

In reality, Rogue is kind of a Zerg version of Inno, and he doesn't have many fans because of his extremely abusive playstyle. At his best he is much stronger than Dark in ZvZ and more aggressive and more clutch than Serral(of the current version of Serral, at least).

I think we can consider LoTV as a Z patch.INno has a lot of fans.

Inno shares with Rogue the fact that he is very strong when his race is strong, not his playstyle.

and with Serral

Lies.

It is just a coincidence that he was nothing as a player until 2017 when the world champion was called a patch Zerg, that 2018 had Scarlett who had never won or come close to winning anything ever win her first premiere championship, and that 2019 had soO break his Kong curse, Dark break his worse than soO Kong curse, and Rogue break his GSL curse.

Blatant, gratuitous lies in fact. Serral went full time in 2017, ascended to god tier level mid 2018 when no other Zerg was doing well and won HSC when every Zerg, Rogue included was getting stomped by Terran.Aren't you bored of hating for the sake of it? That's something Imre would call pathetic.

In 2018:Scarlett won IEM PyeongChangRogue won IEM KatowiceDark made 5 top 4s, two of which he made the finals and lost 4:3.

It's really evil to use facts. But what gets me - they actually mentioned 2018 champion Rogue in the finals. So he should have known at least that.

It's really pointless to use facts not disproving what I have been saying, and really hilarious thinking to be smart while mentioning them.

All these results took place before Serral ascended(MID 2018 tells you anything?);Dark lost to Stats at Super Tournament I in April 2018, before Serral lost 0-2 to soO during Nation Wars.After that, Serral didn't lose a series until Katowice in 2019 and won 6 consecutive tournaments while korean Zerg couldn't reach ro4 in seasons 2 and 3 of Code S and Reynor was the only other Zerg getting to a final, at WCS Montreal.

Also Dark and Rogue would have reached the finals of GSL vs the world/Blizzcon if they didn't lose to Serral. "No other Zerg was doing well" lol

Just weird circumstance but we didn’t really get too many quality series in the Ro12 onwards, can’t be helped but still disappointing. Quite a few 3-0 stomps, pretty atrocious finals. sOs against Maru was at least enjoyable in a clown fiesta way.

On March 02 2020 06:40 Wombat_NI wrote:Fucking hell this thread is well on topic

WP Rogue. Pretty underwhelming tournament for me.

Just weird circumstance but we didn’t really get too many quality series in the Ro12 onwards, can’t be helped but still disappointing. Quite a few 3-0 stomps, pretty atrocious finals. sOs against Maru was at least enjoyable in a clown fiesta way.

Cure and TY was probably the pick of ones I saw.

Cure Ty was "good" in that the decisive engagements were particularly close and well microed, which made those engagements sick to watch, but in between those engagements it was still 35 minute TvT missile turret turtle hell

On March 02 2020 06:40 Wombat_NI wrote:Fucking hell this thread is well on topic

WP Rogue. Pretty underwhelming tournament for me.

Just weird circumstance but we didn’t really get too many quality series in the Ro12 onwards, can’t be helped but still disappointing. Quite a few 3-0 stomps, pretty atrocious finals. sOs against Maru was at least enjoyable in a clown fiesta way.

Cure and TY was probably the pick of ones I saw.

Cure Ty was "good" in that the decisive engagements were particularly close and well microed, which made those engagements sick to watch, but in between those engagements it was still 35 minute TvT missile turret turtle hell

There was the turret hell game too, although that was more tolerable as we had relatively few super late games across all the matchups that I can recall.

Congratulations Rogue, best zerg in 2020 so far, thanks for being honest even though you made a lot of money from favorable metaJin Air still super strong, and even though Protoss is good right now especially in PvT, it’s funny how people were saying they should have kept Cure and fired sOs instead -> he qualified over him after a h2h win