no actually you implied that,
so yeah, going back to what i said, it's so secretive that it's worth all the crap they have gotten so far. pure comedy reading these assumptions.

There will be always some magic sauce or magic can out there, man.

Ofc as software gets optimized, its performance will improve, but that goes for PS4, Xbox One and Wii U. It is even more possible for Xbox One to be improve less than its competition. Regardless, that type of optimization is not what we are talking about here.

We already have facts supporting why Xbox One is behind. We have results. We have side by side comparison. Yet, there will be always some excuses to be why there is some reason it is behind. Whether that is magic cloud, magic software and magic business deal that cost trillion dollars.

However, facts will always remain same. If those who believe in magic sauce wants to be taken seriously, they should atleast go into details supported by facts.

i don't know about any magic or secret sauce but i'm excited to see what dx12 brings. Rumors are that its a massive jump from 11.1 I wouldn't be surprised if the next halo is the first exclusive title to use it.

it trumps those days of when people thought Kinect 1.0 was going to do these...dreamy things...surprisingly or should i say, unsurprisingly, it's the same dreamers that dreamed about the Kinect bringing something evolutionary to gaming.

it trumps those days of when people thought Kinect 1.0 was going to do these...dreamy things...surprisingly or should i say, unsurprisingly, it's the same dreamers that dreamed about the Kinect bringing something evolutionary to gaming.

lol..maybe its the same dreamers that were waiting on toy story graphics from the emotion engine....lol

it trumps those days of when people thought Kinect 1.0 was going to do these...dreamy things...surprisingly or should i say, unsurprisingly, it's the same dreamers that dreamed about the Kinect bringing something evolutionary to gaming.

Oh it kinda did, my girls wouldn't have been able to play Dance Central without out it, it just didn't bring something to hardcore gamers.
Let put it this way, we have Kinect 1, when we got a second xbox, I didn't think twice about moving it on to that one so that my children could use it. I didn't think "dam I'm going to miss you", but it sure as hell gets used A LOT by them.

AlphaPapa: For those of you saying this won't work with Xbox One or DX12 was an afterthought patch to work, let me break this down for you in the most simple way I possibly can. Microsoft builds its consoles around its own software, they do not build their software around their hardware. Xbox One was designed from the beginning to work with DX12. Their whole SOC which by the way was a $3bn design and fabrication partnership with AMD is designed for multi channel free flow of data packets (search PRT in hardware or Tiled Resources), hence the split banks of 15MB dRAM on chip with the data move engines and the 32MB eSRAM on chip. It was not a cheap way to save money on GDDR5 as Sony spent $0 on R&D and just bought their system off the shelf. So MS spend $3bn and Sony spend $0. With me so far? Why spend that amount of money building a fully custom APU only for it to be weaker than an off the shelf APU they could have bought and saved all that money themselves? Does that really make sense to you? And not have it designed specifically for their own software they are developing alongside it. The fact is the biggest graphics $#@! developers in the World are making games for Xbox One, Epic, Remedy and Crytek. Why would they choose to work with the "weaker console". DX12 will also open up other features on Xbox One such as the 15 offloading chips to the APU which will offload tasks from the GPU. So you have high bandwidth eSRAM/dRAM streaming PRT through hardware (displaying 6GB scenes on instant call in 32MB eSRAM) and offloading chips to the GPU also. Xbox One launched way to early and e3 onwards will demonstrate this.

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"We don't provide the 'easy to program for' console that (developers) want, because 'easy to program for' means that anybody will be able to take advantage of pretty much what the hardware can do, so then the question is, what do you do for the rest of the nine-and-a-half years?"
--Kaz Hirai, CEO, Sony Computer Entertainment

Oh it kinda did, my girls wouldn't have been able to play Dance Central without out it, it just didn't bring something to hardcore gamers.
Let put it this way, we have Kinect 1, when we got a second xbox, I didn't think twice about moving it on to that one so that my children could use it. I didn't think "dam I'm going to miss you", but it sure as hell gets used A LOT by them.

Same here. My son has outgrown it but my girlfriend's daughter loves it. MS needs to crank up the support for kinect2. Its a good improvement from the first.

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I agree with this guy.

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That quote is very interesting. I find it hard to believe that MS had this deal worth so much money and not reap any benefits. I'm looking forward to E-3.

The X1's GPU may very well have been designed for DX12, but this guy is not the source you want to be quoting. Will have to see what DX12 means for X1 games, but sounds like at this point we know nothing.

lol..maybe its the same dreamers that were waiting on toy story graphics from the emotion engine....lol

trust me, i don't think people like that exist only on one console.

Originally Posted by mynd

Oh it kinda did, my girls wouldn't have been able to play Dance Central without out it, it just didn't bring something to hardcore gamers.
Let put it this way, we have Kinect 1, when we got a second xbox, I didn't think twice about moving it on to that one so that my children could use it. I didn't think "dam I'm going to miss you", but it sure as hell gets used A LOT by them.

from that perspective, i want it for my kid too. i wouldn't argue against that. i'm sure it's a lot more fun than the boring Move I own. it's a huge failure honestly. kinect is expensive but not the first one, if i had the means i'd get it and my son would enjoy it for a while (and go back to BF4) but he'd try it at least.

The X1's GPU may very well have been designed for DX12, but this guy is not the source you want to be quoting. Will have to see what DX12 means for X1 games, but sounds like at this point we know nothing.

That all depends on who this "guy" is. cboat isn't the only one who can pull stuff out his ass....lol

it trumps those days of when people thought Kinect 1.0 was going to do these...dreamy things...surprisingly or should i say, unsurprisingly, it's the same dreamers that dreamed about the Kinect bringing something evolutionary to gaming.

All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dream with open eyes, to make it possible.

All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dream with open eyes, to make it possible.

That all depends on who this "guy" is. cboat isn't the only one who can pull stuff out his ass....lol

Whats this guys track record then? Perfection isn't required but there needs to be something. And its on you to go find links, not people on the forum. You drag his quote in here you need to back it up.

i don't know about any magic or secret sauce but i'm excited to see what dx12 brings. Rumors are that its a massive jump from 11.1 I wouldn't be surprised if the next halo is the first exclusive title to use it.

Whats this guys track record then? Perfection isn't required but there needs to be something. And its on you to go find links, not people on the forum. You drag his quote in here you need to back it up.