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first 3 picks have to be dt, de, and adressing the right side of the line. i dont care what order

Meh, I can't really agree but I like your logic. I just want the best player at whatever position. We don't really have anyone now who is irreplaceable. Yeah those positions need the most work but I still the best player is the way to go.

Even CB?

Unfortunately. It'd be a wasted pick but if that's the philosophy, stick to it.

It's this simple. If you have great pass rushers, you don't great CBs as you've said many times.

But the inverse also applies. If your pass rush is a non-factor, then you need great cover CBs.

The Raiders seems set w/ the CB additions, so pass rush is the only place I see them going with the pick.

But honestly, how long can a CB stick w/ a WR? If your pass rush can't get to the QB in say, 5-6 seconds, it nullifies how good your CB is b/c it's almost impossible to stick w/ them. Plus w/ this turning into such a pass heavy league, there's numerous other options to throw to.

Both are necessary and I agree w/ your logic it's just that the inverse isn't as effective as having a good pass rush. Not at all.

I just wish we were in this predicament when there was a better draft class coming out. At least the speculation will start to be gone in 1 week and 3 days......

I concur with JTagg. What he is politely trying to say (i think) is that while there IS such a thing a coverage sacks they are exponentially harder to get. Hence, it does not justify drafting a CB high. Imo if the prospects aren't there then you should do what it is predicted McKenzie will do which is absent edge rushers take the best interior rusher if he is BPA. However, I differ with the FO on who the best interior DL rusher is Floyd v Richardson. Come back with any number of the edge rushers later in the draft.

Technically, we don't know who the FO likes until the draft._________________

first 3 picks have to be dt, de, and adressing the right side of the line. i dont care what order

Meh, I can't really agree but I like your logic. I just want the best player at whatever position. We don't really have anyone now who is irreplaceable. Yeah those positions need the most work but I still the best player is the way to go.

Even CB?

Unfortunately. It'd be a wasted pick but if that's the philosophy, stick to it.

It's this simple. If you have great pass rushers, you don't great CBs as you've said many times.

But the inverse also applies. If your pass rush is a non-factor, then you need great cover CBs.

The Raiders seems set w/ the CB additions, so pass rush is the only place I see them going with the pick.

But honestly, how long can a CB stick w/ a WR? If your pass rush can't get to the QB in say, 5-6 seconds, it nullifies how good your CB is b/c it's almost impossible to stick w/ them. Plus w/ this turning into such a pass heavy league, there's numerous other options to throw to.

Both are necessary and I agree w/ your logic it's just that the inverse isn't as effective as having a good pass rush. Not at all.

I just wish we were in this predicament when there was a better draft class coming out. At least the speculation will start to be gone in 1 week and 3 days......

Seattle is a good example. Not a great pass rushing team last year, but their secondary was on lock down. They got a lot of coverage sacks. Solid CBs can stick long enough for your below average pass rush to get pressure.

Raiders on the other hand had no pass rush and poor CBs. So they just looked ridiculous out there trying to cover.

I will agree ten fold I'd rather have pass rushers and a great pass rushing team than a bunch of cover CBs.

Rather Seattle is a GREAT example. Let's look at how their roster is built. The Seahawks have a culture and know who they are. Starting CBs:
UDFA/CFL Brandon Browner 6'3" 221lbs 40:4.63
5th Richard Sherman 6'3" 195lbs 40:4.54

They draft BIG CBs late because they value length more than speed. Raider fan says we ought to be like SEA so we should draft Milliner 1st. How is that the same?

Raider fan says: "We should be like the 49ers" so we should draft Warmack at #3 when they took Iupati at #17. BIG difference.

Raider fan says: "We should draft the QBotF like the 49ers" but they fixed the OL FIRST!

The difference these other teams know who they are and let their draft come to them. This is what I am hoping for from the Raiders._________________

Nodisrespect wrote:

(on building inside out) teams without highly draft DT's make the playoffs and win the superbowl regularly.

Bonez wrote:

Teams that win Superbowls and make the playoffs aren't picking in the Top 5, clearly

first 3 picks have to be dt, de, and adressing the right side of the line. i dont care what order

Meh, I can't really agree but I like your logic. I just want the best player at whatever position. We don't really have anyone now who is irreplaceable. Yeah those positions need the most work but I still the best player is the way to go.

Even CB?

Unfortunately. It'd be a wasted pick but if that's the philosophy, stick to it.

It's this simple. If you have great pass rushers, you don't great CBs as you've said many times.

But the inverse also applies. If your pass rush is a non-factor, then you need great cover CBs.

The Raiders seems set w/ the CB additions, so pass rush is the only place I see them going with the pick.

But honestly, how long can a CB stick w/ a WR? If your pass rush can't get to the QB in say, 5-6 seconds, it nullifies how good your CB is b/c it's almost impossible to stick w/ them. Plus w/ this turning into such a pass heavy league, there's numerous other options to throw to.

Both are necessary and I agree w/ your logic it's just that the inverse isn't as effective as having a good pass rush. Not at all.

I just wish we were in this predicament when there was a better draft class coming out. At least the speculation will start to be gone in 1 week and 3 days......

Seattle is a good example. Not a great pass rushing team last year, but their secondary was on lock down. They got a lot of coverage sacks. Solid CBs can stick long enough for your below average pass rush to get pressure.

Raiders on the other hand had no pass rush and poor CBs. So they just looked ridiculous out there trying to cover.

I will agree ten fold I'd rather have pass rushers and a great pass rushing team than a bunch of cover CBs.

Rather Seattle is a GREAT example. Let's look at how their roster is built. The Seahawks have a culture and know who they are. Starting CBs:
UDFA/CFL Brandon Browner 6'3" 221lbs 40:4.63
5th Richard Sherman 6'3" 195lbs 40:4.54

They draft BIG CBs late because they value length more than speed. Raider fan says we ought to be like SEA so we should draft Milliner 1st. How is that the same?

Raider fan says: "We should be like the 49ers" so we should draft Warmack at #3 when they took Iupati at #17. BIG difference.

Raider fan says: "We should draft the QBotF like the 49ers" but they fixed the OL FIRST!

The difference these other teams know who they are and let their draft come to them. This is what I am hoping for from the Raiders.

Good points.

I agree. Know your identity and draft accordingly. My guess is Reggie isn't a guy who values CBs high. He will build both lines first._________________

I have a feeling in terms of title Tiawan Jones will be a corner but just play on 4 teams special teams. Not to confident in his coverage ability even if he did play in high school and college._________________
S\O Palooka on the sig

I think the signings of Porter, Jenkins, drafting of Hayden, moving of Jones - all signs point to Chekwa being useless. Unless he can convert to safety he has no chance of making this team, literally next to none. And I'd take Ross at S ten times out of ten over Chekwa. Say goodbye..

Top 5 will (should) make it. Won't matter though b/c we still have no pass rushers except Andre Carter....

David Bass

lol

Thank you for the inadvertent reminder. I'd be lying if I said I even knew this kid existed before Saturday. I'ma go look at some things.,

EDIT: Doesn't seem very quick off the edge. He's slow. I like his instincts though from the small amount I've seen. Too many times you come across DE's thinking sacks are the only way to go. I'll take a defended pass also. Worth the pick IMO. We'll see..._________________