Jim:We had a ball in England at The Gods festival about
two and a half years ago.

Andrew:That
was fun wasn't it?

Jim:We had a few pints here and there. Went to
Liverpool together and saw The Cavern, you know.It was great.

Andrew:That
was a good trip, wasn't it?

Jim:A great
trip.

Andrew:Sitting next to Gary Moon on the way
back.

Jim:What about
Gary?!!

Andrew:That
was just... take you life in your own hands don’t you?

Jim:Oh, God
yeah.

Andrew:You
must be pretty excited?

Jim:We are.We
are.We just spent... upstairs we were
just doing background vocals.We're
closing in on this thing.Of course, you
know, we're trying to deliver it as close to the contract... the contract says
June 30.

Andrew:Oh, really?Okay.

Jim:Yeah, we might not quite make that but October 20
is definitely the release date.

Andrew:Yeah, great.

Jim:I don't know if you know the story, we went to
visit a mastering studio yesterday.So,
yeah.We're very excited.Toby... well, I'll let him speak for
himself.

Andrew:You look fairly young, Toby, how old
are you?

Toby:I'm
twenty-five years old.

Andrew:Is
that right?

Toby:Yep.But not too young.

Andrew:Yeah
<laughs>.So how did you get into
melodic rock or why is your heart and vibe there?

Toby:It's kind of a funny story.I actually met... I've been singing all of my
life and I met Jim's niece and she sang... we sang in a band together, just a
gigging band, just going around to parties and things like that, and people
would hire us.And she told me that her
uncle was Jim Peterik of Survivor and Ides of March.And I was pretty much like "No
kidding?".

Toby:So he brought me in one day to the studio, and I was
all excited.I remember when I first met
Jim, I put in these fake buck teeth... all nasty fake teeth.They call them Bubba Teeth here.

Andrew:Right.

Toby:I'm kind of a jokester and I was hoping that Jim would
think that I really looked like that but I started laughing and I had to take
them out.But anyway, he heard me sing
and I guess he really loved my voice and approached me with the idea of doing
this album and, of course, I was all for it.It was a great opportunity to be able to work with somebody like him.

Jim:It's interesting though that I think maybe what
your question was alluding to also was that Toby really wasn't singing melodic '80s
rock prior to this.

Andrew:I wondered what other sort of material
you have been singing...

Jim:And maybe you could talk a little about your
influences and your experiences with the '80s genre prior to this, Toby.

Toby:Well, one of the... of course, I was born in '77 and
my Dad, he's a minister, a preacher, and so I wasn't really able to listen to a
lot of the stuff; it's wasn't like a normal part of everyday life, but there
were some songs that my Dad loved, and one of those songs was "Roseanna"
by Toto.He loved Toto and just, I don't
know... REO Speedwagon, and all the big '80s bands, big rocker bands.

Jim:Foreigner.

Toby:Yeah, Foreigner was a big one.All those songs... and I still love all those
songs.I have CD's specifically created
for listening purposes of those songs, I just love it to death... the big
ballads like that.As far as my
influences go, I would have to say...well, I've got so many, it's hard to
define one person... I love... I think what helps a lot in big power notes and
stuff like that... I love Brian McNight and Mariah Carey...

Andrew:Really?

Toby:When I was growing up, those were some of my favorite
artists, and I tried to mimic them.Boys
to Men was another one.A lot more
R&B groups.

Andrew:Wow.

Toby:My Dad, however, as I got older I realized I had a
bigger voice and was able to do things with my voice that wasn't normal for a
white boy from Indiana.

Andrew:Yes.

Toby:I don't know, I just started singing and singing and
singing and sang in the shower and the car and everywhere I was and, I don't
know, I kinda got good at it, I guess.

Andrew:Yeah, wonderful.

Jim:The first time I heard him, I knew that this was
really special and personally, I've been blessed to sing, to actually work with
some of the greatest singers in rock, mainly, Dave Bickler, Jimi Jamison, and
of course, Don Barnes and Sammy Hagar.

Andrew:Yeah.

Jim:So I've worked with some great guys and with World
Stage I got to work with many, many great singers but this is my chance to
really go back to my '80s influences, my '80s roots and I really was looking
for the right singer.There's a lot of
singers, but not a lot with the range and the tone that you're really looking
for, and I heard Toby and I'm going, "Hmm".

Andrew:Yeah, yeah.

Jim:Very interesting.The first time I heard him it was like the tip of the iceberg.I had no idea the range, I mean, he's hitting
like E's and even F's above High C.

Andrew:Really?

Jim:Full voice.The high note of "Eye of the Tiger" for instance is the High
C, he goes above that a fifth, okay?

Andrew:Right.

Jim:That's pretty scary.And what's great about it is that as a songwriter...
I've always considered myself... that's my passion; I love to perform but I
think songwriting is my real, real passion.

Andrew:Yeah.

Jim:As a songwriter, if you have a singer that can sing
any note, then you have free reign with your range and the melodies.When I was working with Jimi Jamison as a
member of Survivor, I remember when Frankie and I wrote "The Search is
Over" I knew that Jimi could sing that song.If we had a lesser singer, then I knew that I
would've had to change that melody.

Andrew:Right.

Jim:And it wouldn't have been the song it was, so the
gloves are off.Since I started working
with Toby, my writing has actually improved, I feel.

Andrew:Wow.

Jim:Because I
know this guy can take it and just rip into it and do it.

Andrew:That's a scary prospect.

Jim:Yeah.It's
been a lot of fun for me and everyday that we work on this album... we've been
working on it now off and on for about 6 months, has been nothing but really
fun.I don't know if you feel the same
way, Toby?

Toby:Absolutely.I've never been able to... the thing for me is, a lot of singers go and
they try to get into record companies and they try to get in with somebody who
is an accomplished writer or arranger or producer or whatever.They try to get in and they just keep on
getting turned down, turned down, turned down.Well my first shot, you know, which wasn't really, I wasn't really
thinking about doing an album... I mean I always wanted to do my own album, but
I always thought it was going to be a small thing, you know what I'm
saying.But it's really cool because my
first shot, I got offered an album without even asking.I didn't have to go, "I really want to
do an album", you know.I mean, it
was just like, "Hey, do you want to do an album with me?" and I'm
like, "Holy crap!" you know.

Andrew:<laughs>

Toby:I
can't believe this guy is asking me, you know, somebody like Jim who... now
I'll be honest, I didn't know the name Jim Peterik, but I knew the songs.That's how people know Jim is through songs.

And I don't know, I've been really blessed to meet him
and his entire family.They're so... I
didn't know there were people like this left in the world that are so giving
and honest and sincere, and that's how I was raised so I think Jim and I have a
lot of chemistry when it comes to just our personalities.

Andrew:Yeah.

Jim:We can talk about things that are bothering each
other or that we're happy about or upset about and trust that we're going to
shoot straight without getting offended, and whatever.He can say anything to me and I know he's not
going to disrespect me in what he’s saying, he's saying it to help or
encourage, that's what makes working with Jim so great.

Andrew:I've got to
say that Jim is one of my highlights.If
everyone was as accommodating and as caring as Jim, my job would be a lot
easier.

Toby:Right.

Jim:Well, thanks.I think the thing I love about Pride of Lions is... it's the young cub,
Toby, coming up and learning the ropes... I mean, the first time he ever sang
in front of a microphone was in my studio, I mean professionally, and first of
all he's improved... I knew he was great in the beginning, but the more he sang
the stronger he got and then you've got me, you know, 52 years old, I've been
in this business since I was 15.That's
why we call it Pride of Lions, it's because in the jungle there's this whole
order of family, the father lion and the cub and it's just everybody has their
own role.I could never sing the notes
that Toby sings, but luckily I have the experience to guide it all and
hopefully that's a great combination.

Toby:I can't sing
the notes that I sing.

Andrew:<laughs>

Toby:I honestly... I'm surprised when I hear myself back, I'm
surprised that I can hit those notes, I'll be honest with you.

Andrew:I cannot believe the "Sound of
Home".

Jim:Oh,
"Sound of Home", you like that?

Andrew:Oh, my God.I just keep playing it and playing it and
playing it.

Toby:Keep on
playing it, man!

Jim: The time is
right.The sound of the '80s, and of
course, we've updated it...

Andrew:It sounded
fantastic.It really did sound like
classic sort of except with a new edge.

Toby:Well they have the equipment they didn't have back in
the '80s... a lot of effects and cool things you can do nowadays, you couldn't
do back then and I think that's what kind of updates it.

Andrew:Yeah.

Toby:But the sound,
the feeling of the '80s is still there, which I love.

Andrew:Exactly.

Toby:That's when
music was so emotional.

Jim:What I go for, and I don't have to tell you, is
music that really touches your heart in one way or another.Either it uplifts you... we have a song on
there called "Unbreakable" it's really an ode to the human spirit,
you know.I am unbreakable; no matter
what hits me; I will survive.That's
been a message in my songs for a long time.But there's also songs about... bittersweet songs about potential
breakups like "Love Is On The Rocks" where two people are struggling
to find that thing they had in the beginning.There's another song called "First Time Around the Sun" which
is about making everyday a fresh start.I just think a lot of people need to hear that, you know?

Andrew:Yeah.

Jim:But every song has meaning.Toby... oh, by the way, I want to tell him
about that song we wrote, Toby.

Toby:Yeah.

Jim:Toby just started to sit down at the piano one day
at the studio and started to play this incredible piano riff.I said, "What's that?" and he said,
"I wrote it."I said,
"Really!When?" and he said,
"Oh, man, I've had this thing around for a while."And I said, "Play that again," and
I let the tape recorder roll and I started to sing this scant melody and before
you know it we had a song called "Stand By You".It's really powerful.By the way, Toby, I don't know if you know it
but we put the strings on it today.Oh,
you were there at the end, right?

Toby:Yeah.

Andrew:Strings... fantastic.

Jim:It's
incredible.

Toby:That's a
wedding song

Andrew:You know
how much I love Mecca, and I think this is going to be even better.

Jim:Well, I don't want to say, because I love Mecca,
but of course, I feel very strongly about this project.

Andrew:That's
great.I just wanted to touch base and
I'm really glad Toby was there.Toby, I
really want to get this on-line and let people get to know you.

Thanks
Jim and Toby for the chat. Jim, I’ve got a couple of things to run past you, so
I’m going to hit the stop button now….