(10-03-2010 10:00 PM)martinb59 Wrote: I would encourage all of you To look up "unbeliever" on this site. Look up how many posts he has made 17.17 percent of the posts. You people think that I am crazy because I respond to him. Look at the member list, most people have never responded to anything at all, so how can I respond to people that don't respond? Must be atheist logic that I don't get.

He only responds to posts, he has never written a post that was his own thoughts, go to threads by "unbeliever" and see for yourself. I have encouraged him to write something in his own words, but he hasn't yet.

Are you trying to turn us against Unbeliever(For lack of better words)? This isn't the first time you have tried to get other atheists here to examine Unbeliever's posts. I try to stay out of conflicts not relating me, but really, where are you going with that? When he, or anyone really, responds to a post, he puts thought into it.

(10-03-2010 10:00 PM)martinb59 Wrote: I would encourage all of you To look up "unbeliever" on this site. Look up how many posts he has made 17.17 percent of the posts. You people think that I am crazy because I respond to him. Look at the member list, most people have never responded to anything at all, so how can I respond to people that don't respond? Must be atheist logic that I don't get.

He only responds to posts, he has never written a post that was his own thoughts, go to threads by "unbeliever" and see for yourself. I have encouraged him to write something in his own words, but he hasn't yet.

Are you trying to turn us against Unbeliever(For lack of better words)? This isn't the first time you have tried to get other atheists here to examine Unbeliever's posts. I try to stay out of conflicts not relating me, but really, where are you going with that? When he, or anyone really, responds to a post, he puts thought into it.

Actually, I have no problem with any of you examining my posts. I encourage it, in fact. If I am making all of these fallacies, as martinb59 claims, I would prefer to know rather than continue to make an ass of myself. But obviously I'm not going to trust him to tell me, as, from my point of view, he is the one making such horrible arguments.
If any of you spot me saying something stupid, be sure to let me know, okay?

"Sometimes it is better to light a flamethrower than to curse the darkness."
- Terry Pratchett

(10-03-2010 10:29 PM)Unbeliever Wrote: Actually, I have no problem with any of you examining my posts. I encourage it, in fact. If I am making all of these fallacies, as martinb59 claims, I would prefer to know rather than continue to make an ass of myself. But obviously I'm not going to trust him to tell me, as, from my point of view, he is the one making such horrible arguments.
If any of you spot me saying something stupid, be sure to let me know, okay?

I have seen no fallacies. However, if I did, I wouldn't turn a blind eye to it, and I don't think a lot of people here would. Which is what is throwing me off with these posts of his(Martin's).

(10-03-2010 10:30 PM)martinb59 Wrote: No, people have attacked me for attacking him, the point is most of the people reading these post never respond so I am responding to the people that respond, and since he responds according to the stats twice as much as anybody, I am going to respond to him as the face of atheism.

I had a feeling of this. I'll take your word for it, and say that Unbeliever posts more than anyone else here. You say that is why you focus on him. I did get the feeling that you saw him as the "Head" of the atheists here. He is a very logical person, and I typically agree with him, but that doesn't mean he speaks for me or anyone else. If you want a real debate, he's your man, but spread your focus some. He is not the atheist pope.

I don't believe Jesus is the son of God until I see the long form birth certificate!

(10-03-2010 10:30 PM)martinb59 Wrote: No, people have attacked me for attacking him, the point is most of the people reading these post never respond so I am responding to the people that respond, and since he responds according to the stats twice as much as anybody, I am going to respond to him as the face of atheism.

I had a feeling of this. I'll take your word for it, and say that Unbeliever posts more than anyone else here. You say that is why you focus on him. I did get the feeling that you saw him as the "Head" of the atheists here. He is a very logical person, and I typically agree with him, but that doesn't mean he speaks for me or anyone else. If you want a real debate, he's your man, but spread your focus some. He is not the atheist pope.

<raspy, ominous voice>

I... am... Truth! The voice... of the Covenant...!

(10-03-2010 10:36 PM)supermanlives1973 Wrote: Unbeliever, I give you a 99.9999% on your performance (you lost 0.0001% due to a spelling error on one of your posts a while back...sorry, I'm a stickler for perfection )

(10-03-2010 10:29 PM)Unbeliever Wrote: Actually, I have no problem with any of you examining my posts. I encourage it, in fact. If I am making all of these fallacies, as martinb59 claims, I would prefer to know rather than continue to make an ass of myself. But obviously I'm not going to trust him to tell me, as, from my point of view, he is the one making such horrible arguments.
If any of you spot me saying something stupid, be sure to let me know, okay?

I have seen no fallacies. However, if I did, I wouldn't turn a blind eye to it, and I don't think a lot of people here would. Which is what is throwing me off with these posts of his(Martin's).

(10-03-2010 10:30 PM)martinb59 Wrote: No, people have attacked me for attacking him, the point is most of the people reading these post never respond so I am responding to the people that respond, and since he responds according to the stats twice as much as anybody, I am going to respond to him as the face of atheism.

I had a feeling of this. I'll take your word for it, and say that Unbeliever posts more than anyone else here. You say that is why you focus on him. I did get the feeling that you saw him as the "Head" of the atheists here. He is a very logical person, and I typically agree with him, but that doesn't mean he speaks for me or anyone else. If you want a real debate, he's your man, but spread your focus some. He is not the atheist pope.

"...If you want a real debate, he's your man, but spread your focus some. He is not the atheist pope." Careful, ashley, martin's been known to quote mine...

Quote:Skeptic, according to Oxford dictionary is "a person who doubts the truth or value of an idea or belief." That is what I believe, and yes I am skeptical of religion, but for the most part God is not apart of religion.

It doesn't appear that you ARE skeptical of religion, since you have tried to use parts of the bible to support your arguments.

In my view of skepticism about religion, once you start picking at the 'truth' of the 'good book', and realize there is NO truth to a majority of the claims it makes, then it can no longer be believed...it should be abandoned. That would include god as well...maybe not right away...but eventually, the idea of god becomes just as ridiculous an idea as any of the claims made in the bible.

martin, based on what you stated above, you've just defined yourself as one of two things: an agnostic and/or a deist. I'm starting to think that you are having doubts about your own belief system and that your 'thrashing around' on this web site is a final attempt at trying to maintain a belief system you KNOW you can no longer maintain. To coin an analogy, 'you see the lies that religion throws about like candy, which was tasty at first, but now you've realized you have a toothache'.