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BBM...To be perfectly honest, I do too.. I have never believed he intentionally killed Haleigh however I don't have a problem stating I believe Ronald Cummings is the one who is directly responsible for Haleigh's death...

IMHO.. Whatever happened to Haleigh is indeed tragic, a precious life snuffed out way to soon.. IMHO A horrible incident that should have never happened but it did.. But right now, I am having a problem with whats worse, Haleigh getting caught up in the middle of something and paying the ultimate price or the deliberate underhanded tactics that have kept the truth as to what really happened from being revealed..IMHO...The latter of the two is what will be judged more severely in the end..JMO

Didn't they spend 14 hours with TiC? Does anyone have a link for that one?

If Joe is the man LE are looking for, I would think LE would be spending 14 hours with him and not TiC.

IMO - This Joe stoy is not adding up..

Wonder how long it would take for a "Joe, we need you to play along with us" type conversation?

But there is nothing covered up that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known. Accordingly, whatever you have said in the dark will be heard in the light, and what you have whispered in the inner rooms will be proclaimed upon the housetops. Luke 12, 2-3

I originally posted this in the Brainstorming Ron's calls thread, but this seems a better spot:

Well, as Zaha wondered on the Questions thread, is it possible that Misty didn't have her phone, since I'm sure that would have been taken back just like the key. It's entirely possible that TN, who paid for their phones on her account, had Misty's phone. Perhaps that's why Nay Nay knows what Misty was doing and who she was talking to and texting all that time, because Misty might have been without a phone and borrowing Nay's to secretly txt Ron. But say Monday rolled around, TN is watching the kids but can't do it all night and Ron and TN frantically try to call her. Say that dent described or alibi'ed away from Ron's former neighbor really was caused by Ron hitting Haleigh in his stress and ..well, we'll say typical manner of handling stress. Haleigh is injured, but not killed. TN tells Ron to go to work, she'll take care Haleigh and take care of getting Misty there, and it's actually a flurry of calls between Ron and TN until she assures him that Misty's there. Then Misty comes over (I've never figured out why she'd go back, but I can guarandangtee that if the Cummings family had used Haleigh to woo Misty back before, telling Misty that Haleigh was sick and really needed her could suck her in well enough.) and TN doesn't tell her that Haleigh got hurt, and Misty DOES go to sleep, thinking the kids are all settled down and Annette's visit to the MH happened after Misty went to sleep (explaining why she didn't relay the information that Annette had been there, and only recalling as much as she's been told to recall) and Annette discovered Haleigh in a bad state, and she and Aunt Lisa (IF Aunt Lisa was ever really there) gather Haleigh up to take her out of there, staging the house. Then Misty gets up, and I think I'll go with Ron's statement that he woke her up to tell her Haleigh was gone, and we're where we're at.......

That's my brainstorm for all those phone calls. They weren't to Misty...but they were to Misty's phone. When Misty was on 911, she was using Ron's phone. TN perhaps inadvertently took off with Misty's until she could miraculously appear at the speed of lies....er, light.

Didn't they spend 14 hours with TiC? Does anyone have a link for that one?

If Joe is the man LE are looking for, I would think LE would be spending 14 hours with him and not TiC.

IMO - This Joe stoy is not adding up..

The reason why the short interview may not be lining up to some is we really don't know why it ended in 45 minutes or who ended it.

I just find it unbelievable that these law officials would travel all that way just to talk to him for 45 minutes. The timing of when they flew there though is very compelling, imo.

It was after then when Hardy was asked about Joe Overstreet that he said "he has lawyered up." He didn't say we are continuing to interview him and he is still being cooperative. Hardy seemed to have disgust in his tone, imo.

I'd like to know when they have interviewed him in the past and for how long each time.

I would also like to know if he has taken a poly.

I would also like to know if he wasn't there at Haleigh's home that night why have they interviewed him several times and why would they seize his clothing.

IMO

"Pardon Our Noise, It's the Sound of Freedom"USMC New River Air Station,Jacksonville, North Carolina

The reason why the short interview may not be lining up to some is we really don't know why it ended in 45 minutes or who ended it.

I just find it unbelievable that these law officials would travel all that way just to talk to him for 45 minutes. The timing of when they flew there though is very compelling, imo.

It was after then when Hardy was asked about Joe Overstreet that he said "he has lawyered up." He didn't say we are continuing to interview him and he is still being cooperative. Hardy seemed to have disgust in his tone, imo.

I'd like to know when they have interviewed him in the past and for how long each time.

I would also like to know if he has taken a poly.

I would also like to know if he wasn't there at Haleigh's home that night why have they interviewed him several times and why would they seize his clothing.

IMO

bolded by me...I am certainly no expert in LE..but...my answer to this question would be..IF/When this case go to trial...the defense may ask if every person who was in contact with H .. questioned/investigated/and all leads followed up on...just my opinion...hope this makes sense..

Last edited by justus4all; 06-01-2010 at 08:12 PM.
Reason: to further clarify my comment

What I find interesting is that no-one (ToC or Misty) seem to want to run with an accidental overdose theory. It is like Casey Anthony not floating an accident theory early on ..... very damning.

Surely an accidental overdose is a lot more palatable to the public and possible future Jury pool than some retaliatory heartless evil killing -- even though it points to a SODDI suspect outside of the immediate family. It still is damning in terms of their roles after the fact and the cover-up, maintaining silence under LE pressure for over 12 months despite claimed threats. There are/were many opportunities to quietly inform LE and have a perp removed and rendered harmless. Does not make sense.

To me what speaks volumes is that an accidental overdose seems a lot more reasonable given what we have seen of the players but --- it does show Ron (and Misty) in a bad light. If true, are the Cummings so desperate to point away from that towards some bad guy that they'd go to these extreme lengths and, the Croslins are more scared of Ron if they float this?

Why call an accidental overdose as BS if it is an easier out for ToC and something many are receptve towards?

Disclaimer: All posts are my own humble opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts.

I think the Croslins have been lying about what they were doing that day/night in order to help Misty with her alibi about what she was doing, which I firmly believe was a BS alibi she was given and told to deliver. Their best bet isn't to come up with a "what happened to Haleigh" scenario anymore but to say they were lying, and why. EVERY. ONE. OF. THE. CROSLINS.

BBM...To be perfectly honest, I do too.. I have never believed he intentionally killed Haleigh however I don't have a problem stating I believe Ronald Cummings is the one who is directly responsible for Haleigh's death...

IMHO.. Whatever happened to Haleigh is indeed tragic, a precious life snuffed out way to soon.. IMHO A horrible incident that should have never happened but it did.. But right now, I am having a problem with whats worse, Haleigh getting caught up in the middle of something and paying the ultimate price or the deliberate underhanded tactics that have kept the truth as to what really happened from being revealed..IMHO...The latter of the two is what will be judged more severely in the end..JMO

I agree with your opinion Em. I also believe RC is directly responsible for Haleigh's death. I knew it as soon as I heard him on the 911 tape. No one acts that way. First they are in disblief, looking, screaming for their child; inside and outside the house. Then sobbing, then screaming again, running through the neighborhood, banging on doors, et al. NOT STAYING IN THE MH CALLING HIS G/F NAMES. (Sorry but among other things, he is such a woose)

And when he dropped to the ground on his knees (I heard it is a southern thing,) and when he was trying so hard to squeze out those tears, I almost wanted to slap the TV.

Ron will pay for this in some way. It is unfortunate that he isn't MAN ENOUGH TO SAY WHAT REALLY HAPPENED THAT NIGHT.

YO, RON, IF PEOPLE (LIKE YOUR MAMA) COMMUNICATE TO YOU WHAT IS BEING POSTED HERE, I HOPE SHE RELAYS THIS TO YOU: PUT ON YOUR BIG BOY PANTS, AND FOR THE FIRST TIME IN YOUR LIFE BE HONEST, FOR YOUR DAUGHTER'S SAKE.

HOWEVER, I KNOW YOU WON'T. WHY DO I KNOW THIS? BECAUSE YOU ARE A LOW LIFE P_G, AND REALLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN JAIL FOR WHAT YOU DID TO ALL THOSE UNDERAGE GIRLS. I HOPE YOUR MAMA AND GGMS ARE SO VERY PROUD OF YOU. LOSER!

YO, RON, IF PEOPLE (LIKE YOUR MAMA) COMMUNICATE TO YOU WHAT IS BEING POSTED HERE, I HOPE SHE RELAYS THIS TO YOU: PUT ON YOUR BIG BOY PANTS, AND FOR THE FIRST TIME IN YOUR LIFE BE HONEST, FOR YOUR DAUGHTER'S SAKE.

(clipped for comedic effect): I believe his big boy pants are in the wash. He only has two.....

bolded by me...I am certainly no expert in LE..but...my answer to this question would be..IF/When this case go to trial...the defense may ask if every person who was in contact with H .. questioned/investigated/and all leads followed up on...just my opinion...hope this makes sense..

I understand what you mean.

But that still doesn't make any sense to me at least. I have never seen a DA that tries the defense's case for them. And I don't think it would take several interviews if it is true that Joe is not lying about being in the home that night.

But it happened in Feb. 09 and they were still interviewing him in April 2010. I think LE has a very valid reason for wanting to do that and like I said the timing of LEs visit this time is so telling to me.

There just has to be more too it imo than simply trying to guess what the defense is going to do in a trial.

JMOO

"Pardon Our Noise, It's the Sound of Freedom"USMC New River Air Station,Jacksonville, North Carolina

The reason why the short interview may not be lining up to some is we really don't know why it ended in 45 minutes or who ended it.

I just find it unbelievable that these law officials would travel all that way just to talk to him for 45 minutes. The timing of when they flew there though is very compelling, imo.

It was after then when Hardy was asked about Joe Overstreet that he said "he has lawyered up." He didn't say we are continuing to interview him and he is still being cooperative. Hardy seemed to have disgust in his tone, imo.

I'd like to know when they have interviewed him in the past and for how long each time.

I would also like to know if he has taken a poly.

I would also like to know if he wasn't there at Haleigh's home that night why have they interviewed him several times and why would they seize his clothing.

IMO

If I had to guess, LE interviewed JO at the time of HaLeigh's "disappearance" (and took his clothes and whatever else) because Teresa and Misty were on TV accusing JO of fights with Ron, a gun involved, and JO having "messed" with Misty. Who knows what was said to LE in private. I would guess all kinds of interviews of people surrounding HaLeigh were going on in those first 24-48 hours.

Aren't officers of the law required to follow all leads, especially when main "players" accuse someone of the crime they are investigating? If LE was told by ToC and/or Misty or Flora Hollars that JO had murdered HaLeigh they would have to go and interview him, wherever he was.

JO has not been arrested. He has been accused of vile things from the time HaLeigh "disappeared." Too bad none of the stories told about him are consistent or believable, as the stories are ever changing. In fact, the one person who would seem to want JO put away for this murder of HaLeigh would be her father, Ron Cummings. But, as Misty and Teresa spoke to the media in those first hours about JO, Ron denied JO and he had ever been in a fight and there wasn't any gun.

My belief is that JO is not considered a suspect by LE. They had to respond to all the things being thrown out there in the media, on the phone calls between family members, and also any tips that led LE in his direction, whether or not they thought them to be credible. With it out there, they had to go and interview him. They followed through and JO has not been arrested.

All my OPINIONS.

"Truth is not only violated by falsehood; it may be equally outraged by silence." ~ Henri-Frederic Amiel ~