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This could be considered a huge development if this actually concrete evidence of those that have passed over are communicating with us. But I still need to understand.... (I guess more reading is in my future) I just have so many questions, and everytime I read more it generates more questions.

I guess I dont really understand how this different than the classic EVPs that we all know? How is it that we arent just "hearing" what we want to hear? Isnt that always the critism that comes into play with EVPs? So, why is this different?

Do they have to use the "gibberish" or is there a way it can be more "organic"? I listened to the Brazilian Station of the little girl and the quality was so clear, it made me skeptical that it was actually true. It was too good if that makes sense. Is that the direction that the North American Station is headed? Will we be able to, very clearly, know without a doubt hear and know that we are speaking with our loved ones? How is it that the Brazilian station's recordings are so clear?

It seems to me that this protocol is just a bigger version of an echovox app that I can get on my phone.. so why cant I just use that if I am so inclined? That, to me would be the way to make this accessable to everyone. So, what is the difference?

As I type these questions out.. I see just how much of a novice I am when it comes to this subject and how this must frustrate the ones that have been working in this field for a while. I also see how I am lookin for answers NOW and concrete evidence NOW because I long to be able to have conversations with my husband like we used to do.

This could be considered a huge development if this actually concrete evidence of those that have passed over are communicating with us. But I still need to understand.... (I guess more reading is in my future) I just have so many questions, and everytime I read more it generates more questions.

I guess I dont really understand how this different than the classic EVPs that we all know? How is it that we arent just "hearing" what we want to hear? Isnt that always the critism that comes into play with EVPs? So, why is this different?

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Hi SL,

Thanks for posting your questions--I'm sure they've also occurred to many others reading these posts! Craig Hogan is really our resident expert when it comes to ITC, but he is very busy and does not post often, so I'm going to offer my thoughts in the meantime.

First, allow me to clarify a couple of terms. What we are doing is a special type of instrumental transcommunication (ITC), which is loosely defined as any attempt to record either audio or visual messages from discarnate entities with electronic equipment. Therefore, based on my understanding, "audio ITC" is a sort of electronic voice phenomenon--the two terms are more or less interchangeable for our purposes. However, we are communicating directly with the so-called "stations" that the dead have constructed on their plane of existence, which is why our work is often referred to as "ITC with Stations."

With traditional EVP, spirits must come to the earthbound realm to communicate through the recording equipment. This approach is problematic because that plane of existence is also inhabited by all manner of negative beings who would be only too happy to toy with the living. That is why many EVP messages often create more confusion than clarity; the messages often include impatience, hyperbole, and grandstanding--sure signs that they're from low-level entities.

ITC with Stations allows us to contact those in the Summerland (and those above that level) without interference or impersonations by mischievous beings in the earthbound realm. The dead, we are told, have constructed at least three solid buildings, which they call "stations," for the purpose of communication with those on earth. They say that these buildings exist on a "distant" plane, meaning an area that negative entities could not access without help from more advanced beings. In my sessions, I have been told that they use computer-like machines to communicate with us. They communicate their thoughts into the machine telepathically, and it then converts them into audible words, which are impressed on our recording equipment. (The dead do not have internal organs such as vocal cords, and they communicate almost exclusively by thought, so this seems to be the easiest way to make their voices heard, so to speak, for those on earth who are not clairaudient.) The English-speaking Station is called the North American Station, which is being modeled after the Brazilian Station. We are a couple of years behind the Brazilian Station in terms of technological development.

The dead can, as you might expect, understand any language. But since they communicate telepathically without words, they need to build up lexicons in each individual language for their machines to use, which is why there are different stations for different languages right now. The stations have geographic names, but as Mac has pointed out, these are really misnomers. Anyone who speaks Brazilian Portuguese can use the Brazilian Station, just as anyone who speaks English can use the North American Station.

So, the difference between our research and traditional ITC is mainly the question of with whom we are communicating, as well as the eventual purpose of the work, I suppose. The traditional method is a sort of pot luck, where one can hear from loved ones, but also from any spirit that's attracted to the experimenter; the new method ensures that only loving, successfully-transitioned entities can communicate, and it also has the long-term goal of clear, telephone-like conversations. Personally, I don't care for traditional ITC/EVP at all; there's something rather ominous about it, and it is not something I would ever try myself--but I have felt nothing but love and reassurance when working with the North American Station.

The question of whether we are merely hearing what we want to hear was a big issue for me when I first began. However, I have since found that I can hear most of the responses even when I am unsure what to listen for. For example, this past week I helped a woman reconnect with her father via the North American Station. She asked several evidentiary questions--none of which could be answered with common words such as months or days--and I analyzed the recording afterwards to find the answers for her. I could not hear responses for two questions, but I did hear the correct responses for the rest of them, despite the fact that I had never met this man in my life.

Additionally, I find that the answers I hear are not always what I'm expecting to hear. I also don't try to "make things fit." In most sessions, there is at least one question that doesn't receive a response. Maybe the response is there, but if it is too faint to be sure, I consider the question to be unanswered and make a note to ask it again in a future session.

Do they have to use the "gibberish" or is there a way it can be more "organic"? I listened to the Brazilian Station of the little girl and the quality was so clear, it made me skeptical that it was actually true. It was too good if that makes sense. Is that the direction that the North American Station is headed? Will we be able to, very clearly, know without a doubt hear and know that we are speaking with our loved ones? How is it that the Brazilian station's recordings are so clear?

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Right now, the signal is still somewhat weak for the North American Station, so we do have to use the gibberish for the time being. The Brazilian researchers, however, are beginning to communicate without gibberish. I unsuccessfully attempted to contact the Brazilian Station this past week, and the protocol is somewhat different. To contact a specific discarnate researcher named Marlene, Craig had me use a recording of her earthly voice. The idea was that she would be able to impress her responses underneath the recording. I did not receive an audible response, but I am told those at the Brazilian Station have done this before, so most likely I did something wrong in the process.

The communication quality will certain get much clearer; we have been told that the responses will be very clear by December/January. That being said, whether or not we will be able to hear our loved ones voices is unclear to me. I wouldn't say it's impossible, but I'm not sure how they would do it. With people like Marlene, who have left behind recordings of their earthly voices, it is possible to use those recordings to synthetically reproduce the person's voice; I'm unsure of whether or not the dead would have any of doing it from their end though, which would likely be the only solution for those who did not think to record their voices before moving on. I do know that Dr. Gary Schwartz of the University of Arizona is working on what is known as the "soul phone," which is a similar project. The approach is different, but the aim is also telephone-like communications between the living and the dead. So, it is possible that his approach will eventually allow for a solution to this problem.

However, the Brazilian Station is also working on sending photographs to the earth plane, and I believe that the North American Station will eventually head in that direction as well. So, even if a person's original voice cannot be reproduced, photos, and perhaps even videos in the future, should help to determine the validity of the connection.

It seems to me that this protocol is just a bigger version of an echovox app that I can get on my phone.. so why cant I just use that if I am so inclined?

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I'm unaware of the app, but this process is very simple. All you need is something that will play the gibberish file and something that will record what is being played, as well as your voice. Since you need two devices--one to play and one to record--I can't picture how one would do it with only a phone. Personally, I've just invested in a microphone specifically for this, but I have been using my iPhone to record and iTunes on my MacBook to play the gibberish, and I have had very satisfactory results.

As I type these questions out.. I see just how much of a novice I am when it comes to this subject and how this must frustrate the ones that have been working in this field for a while. I also see how I am lookin for answers NOW and concrete evidence NOW because I long to be able to have conversations with my husband like we used to do.

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These are good questions, SL--and I hope that my answers will help not only you but many of our lurkers who likely have these same thoughts! I will say, however, that the best proof of a phenomenon's validity is often personal experience. If it feels right to you, I would suggest that you try to connect to the North American Station in order to contact your husband. You can find Craig Hogan's contact information here. Just email him and ask to join the research project. He will send you the instructions and the gibberish files you need.

Why do you think it is that signal strength or reception is so much weaker working through the new, English language station than through the early Portugese language one?

Is it down to the need to first create the lexicon of English-language words in the memory of the thought/speech transformer device - effectively a working database of words - before close-attunement of discarnate and incarnate can take place, do you think?

In mediumship it's often taught that the medium is helped by hearing the voice of the recipient, even if (s)he can't indentify with what's being given. Perhaps 'voice attunement' of the device or transformer and the communicator is first needed as with Siri, Cortana and other speech-processors. Has this ever been suggested by the reseachers?

Is there still always a period of 'attunement' when new parents and children using the Portugese language station begin communicating, albeit perhaps a shorter one due to the strong love connection?

Why do you think it is that signal strength or reception is so much weaker working through the new, English language station than through the early Portugese language one?

Is it down to the need to first create the lexicon of English-language words in the memory of the thought/speech transformer device - effectively a working database of words - before close-attunement of discarnate and incarnate can take place, do you think?

In mediumship it's often taught that the medium is helped by hearing the voice of the recipient, even if (s)he can't indentify with what's being given. Perhaps 'voice attunement' of the device or transformer and the communicator is first needed as with Siri, Cortana and other speech-processors. Has this ever been suggested by the reseachers?

Is there still always a period of 'attunement' when new parents and children using the Portugese language station begin communicating, albeit perhaps a shorter one due to the strong love connection?

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Hi Mac,

I think a big factor concerning the limitations of the North American Station is certainly the size of the English-language lexicon that they are building. Based my understanding of the Stations though, I don't think that this would affect the strength of the signal itself; rather, I suspect that the small size of the lexicon is represented by the shortness of the responses we are receiving. When the lexicon is decently large--I'm not sure when that will be, or how many words are needed for a workable lexicon--then we will likely be able to receive entire sentences, like the "Mommy, I can talk now!" and the "Ready at this point." messages received by Sonia Rinaldi through the Brazilian Station, rather than just a couple of words.

However, I think the signal is weak for another reason. As Roberta said in another thread a couple of weeks ago, this sort of communication is somewhat akin to communicating back and forth between a low-frequency television channel and a much higher one. It takes time for the dead to perfect the mechanism that they use to convey their messages to our level of reality, so I tend to believe that the newness of the North American Station is the principal reason for the signal's weakness right now. That is why Craig is encouraging anyone who is interested to begin communicating with the Station--the dead say that the practice helps them hone the signal; it's been likened to laying fiber-optic cables. We expect the responses from the North American Station to be much clearer in about six months or so.

Another potential factor could be the recording equipment. As I mentioned above, I've been using my iPhone to record and my MacBook's speakers to play the gibberish--it's an imperfect system to be sure, but it has produced satisfactory results. Yesterday, however, I did order some more professional recording equipment to see whether or not that might make a difference in the clarity of the communications I'm receiving. Once I have had a chance to test it all out this week, I'll post my results--I'm a bit behind on analyzing the sessions and making the subtitled videos.