@thewatcherking: We don't really know how much stronger LSSJ is compared to Broly's regular ssj other than he made Gogeta powerup. But Gogeta's only feat is fighting Broly so that isn't really useful.

The fact that he needed to cut straight to SSB instead of say SSG is pretty significant to me. I know it's not enough to say the exact multiplier for the transformation but it clearly is quite powerful for him to need to go to his most powerful form to have the advantage in the fight.

We can't measure or gauge this. Yea I agree its strong but the only measurement for Brolys full power is he is "probably stronger than beerus". So was Jiren.

EDIT: I am aware Broly stomping ssj blue tier characters is also another measurement, however its not a good one as characters weaker than Broly could also do the same thing.

He was trying, he even tried blitzing him in the beginning of the fight, MUI was stronger then Jiren, but Jiren wasn't completely out matched in that fight. Broly ability to handle attacks is what makes him stand out though (along with rising power), even against stronger foes like Base Broly vs SSJ Vegeta or Base Broly vs Base Vegeta or SSJG Vegeta vs Base Broly or SSJ Gogeta vs SSJ Broly, despite losing hem fights at start due to being at a disadvantage, he still keeps on coming forward and caught up like that, so the fact that Broly powered up again against SSJB Gogeta and still was losing is something interesting.

It didn't look like he was trying at all to me. Jiren was totally outmatched, that's why he got so frustrated. Goku made Jiren feel so helpless it reminded him of his past trauma of when his master died.

My point is Gogeta was putting more significant effort into his fight with Broly. The fact he chose to use a powerful attack on Broly is telling.

It still should be pretty obvious that his speed is at that level from the scaling though.

I don’t see why he wouldn’t be able to teleport with it or send him from where he was but he chose fusion because it’s stronger than the Spirit bomb if all Jiren had to do to be considered God tier was push back that spirit bomb then Broly should be considered on that level for Goku opting for something stronger than the spirit bomb even though he had ample time to make one many times more powerful than the one at the tournament.

Well you’re trying to say his speed isn’t on par with SSB Goku and Vegeta even though he was massively above them it’s lowballing as well. And Broly was also only showing a hint then considering his LSSJ tranformation is on par with an SSJ to SSB transformation.

Through the scaling you’re using SSB Vegeta would be stronger than Beerus since he was pushing back and momentarily put down a Jiren that would already be above Beerus. And it does matter because Broly wasnt only fighting them but forced SSB vegeta and goku to escape.

@jashro44: what? Gogeta SSB had Broly crying like a lil b**ch. Lmao. His face was so perfect in akin to extreme fear when Gogeta powered up and shot his Kamehameha at him at the end of their battle🤣🤣Broly got dragged terribly.

MUI Goku lasts until his Time Limit but he doesn't have the Raw Power to take on Gogeta. Unless Gogeta gets him in a really good situation (Which is possible considering half of Gogeta is Goku), then Gogeta is going to have a hard time landing consecutive hits to put Goku down.

Gogeta every time. Goku needs a lot more power to compete with Gogeta. I think MUI Goku and SSB Vegito (No time restrictions on either) would be a better fight.

@lucifermornin: @devoidruby: Goku had the advantage over Jiren, but he didn’t treat him like nothing. In the manga he pretty much lost. I would say MUI Goku definitely has the edge over Jiren, and can probably dodge better than SSB Gogeta can, but SSB Gogeta is probably stronger when it comes to raw power.

@lucifermornin: @devoidruby: Goku had the advantage over Jiren, but he didn’t treat him like nothing. In the manga he pretty much lost. I would say MUI Goku definitely has the edge over Jiren, and can probably dodge better than SSB Gogeta can, but SSB Gogeta is probably stronger when it comes to raw power.

Who cares if you can't tag your OPPO? Next you'll tell me Hulk can frag the power puff girls just cause he's stronger than them. Like Vegeta told Trunks about SS3, all that power doesn't matter if you can't hit anything.

Broly is maybe stronger than Beerus. Jiren has perhaps surpassed the state of the Gods(pre limit breaking).

Both received similar Whoopings from MUI Goku and SSB Gogeta respectively.

So power wise , MUI Goku and SSB Gogeta look to be similar. But MUI Goku has ultra instinct which should give him the advantage in a fight. See UI Omen Goku vs ssj2 Kefla. She had enough power to kill goku,yet could not land a hit on him thanks to UI.

@lucifermornin: It’s kind of relate to though, since I’m trying to prove Gogeta can win with an AOE attack.

But he can't cuz all the AOE attacks in DB either take too long to charge and end up in the plot armor jobbing category (think spirit bomb) or vegeta's final flash like you mentioned that they all no sold.