Gentlemen, perhaps better to write this as Golodomor, since the Russians typically pronounce an 'H' in English as a 'G', hence Garri Potter. Further, using 'H' brings one uncomfortably close to 'Holodna', mening simply, cold.

Holodomor is in Ukrainian, not in Russian. Taking your misguided 'advice' the Russians would write Gamburg, Gitler, Girogito, Gavana, etc. And 'holodna' means 'hungry', 'kholod' in Ukrainian is 'zymno' like in 'zyma' = winter. Try not to offer 'advice' if you don't know what you are talking about.

Didomyk, we say hara-kiri not gara-kiri. The rest is Ok. Just in case you’ll be matured to commit hara-kiri here are some instructions for you and I give it from the bottom of my heart.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzV-H4CLuKg

Dear Didomyk,
I hope that your spleen is feeling better now. As it happens, Russian-speakers do often say Gamburg (and incidentally Gamburger), Gannover and so on (just as the Finns call London 'Lontoo', and why not? Venice/Venetsia and so on). It
seems to be that for an English-speaker the Ukrainian 'H' is extremely difficult to pronounce, hence I suggest that the use of 'G' in English is suitable, especially as the root is clearly the same!

Interesting, and ok, no problem for us all to accept this is a Ukrainian matter and word. It just seems to me that it is so very difficult for an English-speaker to pronounce this 'H' that 'G' could work better, especially as the root with Russian hunger is the same (I would guess...)
By the way, and as a distant aside, it occurs to me that Hitler's biggest mistake was notso much operation 'Barbarossa' itself, but declining the offered help of the Ukrainians against Russia! Stupid or what! Seem to remember that Goering it was who decided this matter.

Attending the 25th congress of the Christian Democratic Union of Germany in Hannover Vitali Klischko, leader of the new party UDAR tried his diplomatic skills in a dialogue with Chancellor Angela Merkel. According to media, Merkel confirmed her hope for closer EU-Ukraine relations, while continuing to make it conditional on reforms in Ukraine.
Klischko's message was that the EU should clearly distingwish between Ukraine as a state and the policies of Viktor Yanukovych. He maintained that the EU association agreement with Ukraine would give the present opposition and Ukraine's friends in Europe additional levers of influence on the Ukrainian authorities. He noted that opposition democratic forces in the newly elected Verkhovna Rada were seeking to return Ukraine to the European path of development. Hopefully, Klischko's wide-ranging popularity in Germany will be more persuasive then Yanukovych's obvious 'charms'.

It would appear that Yanukovych is struggling with the question who should be the next PM of Ukraine even though Azarov, the present acting PM, may still be re-appointed. This issue has led to the postponement of the IMF mission, scheduled to visit Kiev on December 7-17 to initiate discussions on a Stand-By Arrangement (SBA). The IMF mission will be rescheduled to late January,, according to Max Alier, IMF representative to Ukraine.

Facing a likely second recession in four years, Ukraine’s government faces the need to pay off about $10bn in sovereign external debt maturing in 2013.

It is hoped that a reform-minded government would agree to key IMF loan conditions that Azarov had rejected, by removing unsustainable price subsidies on household natural gas. Azarov and the PoRegions ruling majority adopted a 2013 budget plan based on overly optimistic growth expectations and a deficit equal to 3.3 per cent of GDP. That will need to be re-assessed and amended.

Didomyk, I understand your continuous indignation and your appeal to Brussels for procrastination. According to you, EU red tape is even worse than in Russia. Now it’s clear why NABUCCO has been delayed and still under a question. However, Ukraine gains nothing from either of projects. I like you being acrimonious on the subject. South Stream is on the way to Europe. And it’s in Europe’s interest especially in global climate changing. In your turn you can warm yourself up with horilka.

The 20th Century brought our 'civilization' the greatest horrors ever to have occurred. The Holocaust, Holodomor, Cultural Revolution, Great Terror, two World Wars, Rwanda, and countless other atrocities, purges, genocides, ethnic cleansings, and so on... I hope with all my heart that in the 21st Century we are able to escape this cold cynicism and fatalism of the past. Greetings from Wroclaw, Poland.

Doesnt seem we have got off to a great start. On the bright side we have 87 years to go.

One thing we could do in the West is teach our children about the famine in Ukraine(Holodomor) and explain the reason behind it(Collectivism). It basically is not taught in schools, a mere footnote in history for Western pupils. It is kind of odd, our kids learn a lot about WW2 and the Holocaust but very little about the 1930s before the war.

For me personally Holodomor is the truth. It is my personal truth. It is the truth even if everyone on the planet says "it is not" for me it wouldn't matter because I have heard it from my mother and I will tell my children about it because I want this never happen again... And when I think about it I see a little girl (sister of my grandmother) she was the youngest in the family and she died due to absence of food and I'm hearing she says "Please give me some food"...

I think that if people in other countries aren't indifferent and write about it, it is the huge help that such it was impossible in the future. It is the truth that a lot of things were dangerous to be told and just now it is possible to learn that occurred then. The grandmother told how they managed to survive in the village in the 30th, but in a family of the grandfather survived not all and when dug out a hole to bury and went behind a body, it filled with other bodies, people had no forces to bury the native.

Yura2009
You are right, I translated the title from the French edition. I highly recommend it, Kravchenko applied the orders given and witnessed the consequences. He and his family were hunted for a generation despite the new identity in Canada.

In an article published in the World Affairs Journal prof. Alexander Motyl offers an assessment of Yanukovych's evolving views of Holodomor based on his public remarks on the November 2010-2012 anniversary dates.http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/blog/alexander-j-motyl/yanukovych-and...
While in 2010 Yanukovych stated "I bow to the memory of those innocently killed by the Holodomor" calling it a "national tragedy', he went not much further in assessing responsibility.
In 2011, his statement included this more targeted comment:
"Terrible years of totalitarianism have been a spiritual catastrophe: numerous churches were demolished, hundreds of thousands of peasants, workers, and intellectuals were physically eliminated or sent to the Gulag camps, almost every Ukrainian family suffered."
This year, in November 2012, in his brief remarks Yanukovych referred to Holodomor as crime but without stating who bears prime responsibility for the crime:
"This crime has changed the history of Ukrainian people forever. It has been one of the severest challenges of Ukrainians. Holodomor not only killed people, but also had the purpose of causing fear and obedience. For decades, any mention of those dreadful events has been banned."
We will have to wait and see if by Nov. 2013 Yanukovych will point his finger to Stalin's Kremlin as the perpetrator of this dreadful crime.

According to sociological survey, today only 5% of Ukraine’s population lives like European middle class having all creature comforts. The rest of Ukrainian population has very much similar incomes. Today average Ukrainian family spends 53% of their income on foodstuffs. More than 40% of the families spend over 60% of their income on food. According to the international standards, these people can be considered paupers if they spend over 60% of their income on food. If 80% is spent then it’s absolute poverty.
Who’s to blame for the existing status quo today?

"Today average Ukrainian family spends 53% of their income on foodstuffs"

You have failed to define "average family".
You have FAILED to define "income", its various forms and sources
You have missed the fact that many (most) families derive their incomes from growing and selling food.
Kuzmich, your propaganda venture will produce NO income to be spent on your FOOD. Hope YOU don't live in poverty. :)

Indeed the impoverished "independent" orange Ukraine as well as the other "independent" west supported craphole - Gruzia earn well below the World average (~$6K/Yr Ukraine and ~ $4K/Yr Gruzia) what is no wonder considering both by command of their western owners chose to destroy the normal relationships with Russia and lost the Russia market.

And the most humiliating fact for Ukraine is they lost more people since the Ukraine "independence" than during the Holodomor.

"Ukraine’s population decline

Meanwhile, Ukraine’s demographics are even unhealthier than Russia’s. While Russia lost 5 million people between 1990 and 2010, the Ukranian population went from 52 million people in 1990 to 45 million in 2010, a decline of 7 million people – and much larger relative to size.

The Ukranian male life expectancy is with 61.8 years almost equally low as the Russian (where the female life expectancy is lower in the Ukraine (73.5) than in Russia (74.0)).

The average Ukrainian woman gives birth to just 1.39 children, leading to a current population decline of 0.6 percent per year, much faster than Russia. Only Moldova, Bulgaria and Georgia presently have a faster annual population decline.

The Ukranian population too is forecast to decline further over the coming decades, to anywhere near 36 million people in 2050 and another 6 million fewer by the end of this century."

You must be happy to learn that Yanukovich has accepted resignation of Mykola Azarov's government that will stay on in an interim capacity.

Azarov was elected to parliament in Oct. and is not expected to be re-appointed.

Azarov's two and a half years as prime minister have not led to significant economic revival. Maybe it follows that, because he is Russian, he is to blame for all the ills you have discovered. But I hear his sons have made fortunes. Is there a connection ?

Poor Ukraine is dying faster than during Holodomor, not only due to one of the largest demographic decline in Europe but also due to huge emigration especially high during the dark orange times when the Ukraine economy nosediwe worst not only amongst the Europe economies but also amongst the CIS economies and the Ukraine intelligentsia run out of the orange craphole to clean toilets abroad in order to be able to feed their starving families.

The most disgusting of the orange achievements though: during their corrupt rule Ukraine child alcoholism and prostitution rose to #1 in Europe because the orange mafia and their diaspora pimps try hard and succeeded to convert Ukraine in the cheapest sex tourism destination for their western masters. Yuck :(

Or more the fact that Britain invented the industrial revolution 300 years ago? Couldn't that be more important? Don't underestimate the very important fact of who did the colonizing, it's not the same.
Compare Australia with Ukraine, or Canada with Belarus, or check East Germany, still lower about 10-15% on GDP than West Germany, check Moldova, the poorest nation in Europe and I could go on. It's a long list revealing that russians aren't good colonizers, I'm sorry.

Russia should get over this mentality of confronting the Anglos. You can't win. When USSR was allied with US and UK during WW2 got half of Europe. When it confronted them, it lost everything in 1991. Think about it.

Come on Dragos27 all the wealth came from the colonies. Money for nothing, chicks for free. Russia and GB have been in love since long time ago. It’s a continuous relationship with ups and downs. What are you talking about? No mental confrontation with Anglos. Russia and England fell in love during the times of Ivan the Terrible and it is still there. We established full diplomatic relations then. Londongrad is our favorite city and the place to live.

kuzmich
Even without the colonies, long abandoned or de-colonised, the Netherlands, Belgium, France etc have not shrank to the level Russia finds itself in. Britain managed to find an unprecedented Commonwealth format that evolved over many decades into what it is today. Russia's unwillingness to let go of its colonial dependencies (subjugated peoples and conquered territories) failed to give it the "Greatness" it has always desired or economic prosperity it badly needs.

kuzmich
And on what 'authority' colonies and/or conquered territories
MUST be overseas ?
As to 'Diversity' surely there is more than plenty diversity both racial, religious, ethnic, cultural etc. in the Russian Federation.

Three to seven million peolle is just a small number to the Great famine in China during 1953-1956.According to a famous agricuntural scientist name Yuan longping,about 4500 million died.Until now,it's named "three years of natural disaster'.So,wo have no anniversiary for that.The econimist published a passage about the millenial madness,here is the link:http://www.economist.com/news/books-and-arts/21565145-shocking-chinese-account-chairman-mao%E2%80%99s-great-famine-millennial-madness

I have always heard the number 30 million quoted in Western sources, even in the 1970s. And it was the folly of Mao's stupid, stupid economic policies. Communism everywhere in the world has tended to eat its own first and foremost. There is something inherently wrong about the system.

In the early nineteen-thirties, Italy had a number of diplomatic representations in the Soviet Union in addition to the embassy in Moscow — consulates in Leningrad (now St Petersburg), Odesa, Tiflis (now Tbilisi), and vice-consulates in Kharkiv, Batumi and Novorosiysk. It is messages and reports of the three Italian vice-consulates and of the Italian embassy that mention Holodomor and the state of things in the Soviet Union at that time that will be included into the book Lysty z Kharkova. The vice-consulates in Kharkiv, Batumi and Novorosiysk were not headed by career diplomats but by former army officers who distinguished themselves during WWI. Most of the documents included in the book were compiled by Sergio Gradenigo (1886– 1966) who headed the vice-consulate (which eventually was promoted to the status of the Italian Royal Consulate) in Kharkiv, and later the newly created Italian General Consulate in Kyiv, when in 1934 the capital of Ukraine was moved from Kharkiv to Kyiv. Sergio Gradenigo stayed in Ukraine from 1931 to 1934. Upon returning to Italy, he volunteered to join the army in the ranks of the Tiber Division fought in the Italian-Ethiopian war in 1935–1936. In 1948, he immigrated to Argentina where Gradenigo did some teaching and literary work. He lived in Argentina to the end of his life.
The messages and reports discovered by Professor Andrea Graziosi from Naples University in the archives of the Ministry for Foreign Affairs of Italy in 1987 have been published in Ukraine. “These documents that describe one of the greatest tragedies of the twentieth century were a revelation to many. They have completely changed the understanding of the history of the Soviet Union and of the ways we should view the events of the past century.

Famine as an instrument of terror
Famine in Ukraine was used both as an instrument of terror and of conducting a “national policy.” It was what made the situation in Ukraine radically different from the situation in Russia or Kazakhstan, some regions of which were also affected by famine. In December 1932, Stalin and Molotov signed the decree of the Central Committee of the Communist (Bolshevik) Party of the Soviet Union that demanded that “Ukrainiazation in Ukraine and elsewhere [in the regions with compact Ukrainian enclaves] be properly conducted”. “Proper Ukrainiazation” meant “struggle with Petlyura followers and counterrevolutionary elements” on whom the famine was blamed. It also meant doing away with the Ukrainian potential that should never be revived. This “punishment by famine”, its aims and brutality are nothing short of genocide. Famine and lies about those who were blamed for it were used as another pretext for launching terrible repressive and terror campaigns of 1936–1938.
In his report of May 22 1933 to the Italian embassy in Moscow, Sergio Gradenigo wrote, “It is quite possible that in the nearest future there will be no reason to speak of Ukraine or Ukrainian people as entities simply because there will be no more ‘Ukrainian problem’ when Ukraine becomes an indistinguishable part of Russia.”

This reminds me of another book that I have read some time ago namely by Andrea Graziozi "The Great Soviet Peasant War: Bolsheviks and Peasants, 1917 -1933. It was published sometimes in mid 1990s. The author seems to think that Stalin desperately wanted the peasants all over the country to see him as a stern leader, impossible to disobbey. That led Stalin to the next step, - the great terror of the 1937-38.

Kpxoxol, what you are saying is not true.
Analysis and comparison of the census figures in Ukraine for
pre-famine & post famine show a 10 million loss in Ukraine's population.
That is a fact and you saying otherwise does not change the horrendous crime committed against the Ukrainian Nation.
By the way you should be ashamed for denying compassion and understanding to the victims and to the relatives of the Holodomor dead. In Europe I believe it is a crime to deny the Holocaust.

Kpxoxol, what you are saying is not true.
Analysis and comparison of the census figures in Ukraine for
pre-famine & post famine show a 10 million loss in Ukraine's population.
That is a fact and you saying otherwise does not change the horrendous crime committed against the Ukrainian Nation.
By the way you should be ashamed for denying compassion and understanding to the victims and to the relatives of the Holodomor dead. In Europe I believe it is a crime to deny the Holocaust.

The distinguished Soviet scholar, Robert Conqust wrote a seminal book "The Harvest of Sorrow" Oxford University Press, 1986. It showed the many Holodomor deniers the horrible truth of their immoral complicity in the monstrous human calamity known to the world as Holodomor. Their great intellects failed them, ignorance prevailed.

Canukistan is full of Ukrainian diaspora who had to lie about prosecution in order to gain political asylum. No wonder the Holodomor = genocide by Russia against Ukraine originate from the diaspora liars located Canukistan, heh, heh, heh :D

Where do you get off making such ridiculous remarks? Nobody got political asylum in Canada based on the Holodomor. People who immigrated after WWII did not get "political asylum" at all and it is this group of immigrants who were able to confirm what had been going on behind the iron curtain. Try engaging in an intelligent discussion on something you actually know about, rather than offending an entire nation for no good reason. I edited a translation of the correspondence between Postyshev, Stalin, Molotov et al during this period and it's pretty clear that the REAL liar about the Holodomor was Mr. "Stalin's Lackey" Duranty.

Another point worth noting is that the Politbureau issued in 1932 an order forcing everybody to have an internal passport but no passports were issued to designated people 'without rights' which included peasants in villages, all in an attempt to prevent masses of hungry country people from attempting to look for food in cities. This Soviet internal passport practice, that became known as 'propiska', was maintained for many decades allowing state security to monitor closely all people movements accross the whole country.

BW, I agree with your analysis of the Holodomor! Do you know where I could order the translation between Postyshev and the others. I know there are editions of Molotov and Kaganovich correspondence but haven't seen an edition for Postyshev and Kosior, or are they Postyshev and Kosior covered in Molotov's and Kaganovich's correspondence to Stalin.
Thanks,

Not only were rural people not issued internal passports (which was true pretty much until 1991, but they were "paid" a toke 50 rubles a year for their work, which meant that they couldn't afford to go anywhere even if they did have a passport! I was told this by villagers whom I met in 1991. They had locally-made tvs with 1-2 state channels, but no running water, no indoor toilets, and no telephones. 40-year olds looked like 60.

I edited the ENglish translation in 2008. Here is the information. Where you might find a copy, I unfortunately have no idea. The book has only an introduction and foreword. The body of it is simply correspondence in translation. The reader is allowed to draw his or her own conclusions.

Holodomor of 1932–1933 in Ukraine: documents and materi-
als / Comp. Ruslan Pyrih; NAS of Ukraine, Inst. of History of
Ukraine. K.: Kyiv Mohyla Academy Publishing House, 2008. – 139.
ISBN 978-966-518-497-3
This collection includes documents and materials that reveal the causes,
course of events, scale and eﬀects of the humanitarian cataclysm of the Ukraini-
an people brought about by the Soviet regime in the early 1930s. It includes docu-
ments from the Politburo of the Central Committee, All-Union Communist
Party(b) and the Politburo of the Central Committee of the Communist Party(b)
of Ukraine, the Council of Peoples’ Commissars of the Union of Soviet Socialist
Republics and the Council of Peoples’ Commissars of the Ukrainian Socialist So-
viet Republic, local Communist Party organizations and Soviet state structures,
institutions of the State Political Administration, courts, prosecutors’ oﬃ ces and
police; correspondence between Josef Stalin, Lazar Kaganovich, Vyacheslav Mol-
otov, Stanislaw Kosior, Vlas Chubar and others; statements by farmers – letters,
statements, complaints and appeals. The collection also includes materials from
foreign diplomatic missions.
This publication is intended for academics, politicians, educators, students
and everyone interested in this tragic period of Ukraine’s history.

Actually to understand what a REAL genocide by starvation means, some should look no further but to the fate of the German POW's in the POST WAR Eisenhower death camps :

Eisenhower's Death Camps
The Last Dirty Secret of World War Two
by James Bacque

Under the Geneva Convention, three important rights are guaranteed prisoners of war: that they will be fed and sheltered to the same standard as base or depot troops of the Capturing Power; that they can send and receive mail; and that they will be visited by delegates of the International Red Cross (ICRC) who will report in secret on their treatment to a Protecting Power. (In the cas eof Germany, as the government disintegrated in the closing stages of the war, Switzerland had been designated the protecting power.)

In fact, German prisoners taken by the U.S. Army at the end of the Second World War were denied these and most other rights by a series of specific decisions and directives stemming mainly from SHAEF--Supreme Headquarters, Allied Expeditionary Force. General Dwight Eisenhower was both supreme commander of SHAEF--all the Allied armies in northwest Europe--and the commanding general of the U.S. forces in the European theatre. He was subject to the Combined Chiefs of Staff (CCS) of Britain and the U.S., to the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS), and to the policy of the U.S. government, but in the absence of explicit directives--to the contrary or otherwise--ultimate responsibility for the treatment of the German prisoners in American hands lies with him.

"God , I hate the Germans," Eisenhower wrote to his wife, Mamie, in September, 1944. Earlier, in front of the British ambassador to Washington, he had said that all the 3,500 or so officers of the German General Staff should be "exterminated."

In March, 1945, a message to the Combined Chiefs of Staff signed and initialled by Eisenhower recommended creating a new class of prisoners--Disarmed Enemy Forces, or DEFs--who, unlike Geneva-defined prisoners of war, would not be fed by the army after the surrender of Germany. This would be a direct breach of the Geneva Convention. The message, dated March 10, argues in part: "The additional maintenance commitment entailed by declaring the German Armed Forces prisoners [sic] of war which would necessitate the prevision of rations on a scale equal to that of base troops would prove far beyond the capacity of the Allies even if all German sources were tapped." It ends: "Your approval is requested. Existing plans have been prepared upon this basis."

On April 26, 1945, the Combined Chiefs approved the DEF status for prisoners of war in American hands only: the British members had refused to adopt the American plan for their own prisoners. The Combined Chiefs stipulated that the status of disarmed troops be kept secret.

By that time, Eisenhower's quartermaster general at SHAEF, General Robert Littlejohn, had already twice reduced rations for prisoners, and a SHAEF message signed "Eisenhower" had reported to General George Marshall, the U.S. Army Chief of staff, that the prisoner pens would provide "no shelter or other comforts...."

Most disgusting, the US "liberators" were commiting genocide by starvation of millions German POW:

The problem was not supplies. There was more than enough material stockpiled in Europe to construct prison camp facilities. Eisenhower's special assistant, general Everett Hughes, had visited the huge supply dumps at Naples and Marseille and reported: "More stocks than we can ever use. Stretch as far as eye can see." Food should not have been a problem, either. In the U.S., wheat and corn surpluses were higher than they had ever been, and there was a record crop of potatoes. The army itself had so much food in reserve that when a whole warehouse was dropped from the supply list by accident in England it was not noticed for three months. In addition, the International Red Cross had over 100,000 tons of food in storage in Switzerland. When it tried to send two trainloads of this to the American sector of Germany, U.S. Army Officers turned the trains back, saying their warehouses were already overflowing with ICRC food which they had never distributed.

Nonetheless it was through the supply side that the policy of deprivation was carried out. Water, food, tents, space, medicine--everything necessary for the prisoners was kept fatally scarce. Camp Rheinberg, where Corporal Liebich would fetch up in in mid-May, shivering with dysentery and typhus, had no food at all when it was opened on April 17. As in the other big "Rhine meadow" camps, opened by the Americans in mid-April, there were no guard towers, tents, buildings, cooking facilities, water, latrines, or food.

"Cable...dated 31 May states 1,890,000 prisoners of war and 1,200,000 disarmed German forces on hand. Best available figures at this Headquarters show prisoners of war in ComZ910,980, in ComZ transient enclosures 1,002,422 and in Twelfth Army GP 965,125, making a total of 2,878,537 and an additional 1,000,000 disarmed German forces Germany and Austria."

I cannot honestly believe that american handling of german prisoners was worse than russian handling. And besides, Stalin had more reasons to hate germans than the americans.

Tehran Conference:

"During the dinner, Stalin who, according to the US report, continuously needled Churchill for his perceived "affection" for the Germans, proposed executing 50,000–100,000 German staff officers. Roosevelt joked that perhaps 49,000 would do. Churchill denounced the idea of "the cold blooded execution of soldiers who fought for their country." He said that "war criminals must pay for their crimes and individuals who had committed barbarous acts, and in accordance with the Moscow Document, which he himself had written, they must stand trial at the places where the crimes were committed." He objected vigorously, however, "to executions for political purposes".

"He declared that he would rather be taken outside and shot rather than agree to Stalin's proposal of summary executions for German officers. He stormed out of the room but was brought back in by Stalin who convinced him that he wasn't serious."

The nazi Germany had no 100000 "staff officers" left after the glorious Red Army singlehandedly annihilate 80% of the Wehrmaht before the "brave allies" pitched in not to miss the war booty. No wonder Eisenhower lamented that only 3500 left after the USSR dealt with the German nazi war criminals and their european arselickers in Ukraine, Romania, Bulgara and Hungary heh, heh, heh :D

"God , I hate the Germans," Eisenhower wrote to his wife, Mamie, in September, 1944. Earlier, in front of the British ambassador to Washington, he had said that all the 3,500 or so officers of the German General Staff should be "exterminated."

The POOland war criminals were properly punished for starving tens of thousands USSR POW in the Poland death camps

"During the Polish-Soviet War, between 80,000-85,000[3] Soviet soldiers became prisoners of war, and were held in Polish POW camps. The conditions in these camps were bad. Thus, the existing camps, many of which were adapted from World War I German and Russian facilities or constructed by the prisoners themselves, were not adequate for holding the large number of prisoners, who suffered from hunger, bad sanitation and inadequate hygiene. Between 16,000-17,000 (Polish figures)[3] and 18,000-20,000 (Russian figures)[3] died, mostly as a result of catastrophic conditions and epidemics which raged in the camps."

Frankly speaking this article is pro-nationalist, pro-Bandera, pro-Yushchenko, anti-Ukrainian, anti-Russian, anti-Kazakh crap.
Why the author didn't write about Great Famine in Kazakhstan or souther Russia (RFSSR)?? This article is nothing more than MANIPULATION.

I don't consider TE anti-Russian outlet, because it writes many anti-Polish or anti-Ukrainian articles too. It is simple manipulation. I don't see any jealousy, because Russia has much more primitive economy than UK, mainly resource-based, highly corrupted. As a Pole I just feel disgusted of reading any nationalist, Yushchenko-style, crap. Yushchenko and type of Ukraine's history is as dumb as the Russian imperialist, Putin-style one.

"European Memories of the Gulag" is an attempt to present an illustrated narrative of the forced resettlement by Stalin;s henchmen, in 1930-32 of more than 1,800,000 kulaks hostile to collectivisation into inhospitable lands of the Russian Great North, Urals, Siberia and Kazakhstan.

“Dekulakisation” led to the setting up of the system of special settlements that from late 1931 to the end of the 1950s was to become a huge administrative machine designed to manage the special resettlers, the typical products of Stalin’s Great Turning.

Dispossessed of all their property, uprooted with their families, placed under house arrest in villages supervised by an NKVD commandant, subjected to forced labour, such was the fate of these new excluded victims whose sentences were of indefinite length."

"On Stalin’s death, there were in the Soviet Union more than 2,800,000 special settlers. They each belonged to one of the thirty categories the authorities had over the years defined by social, ethnic, religious, political or purely geographical criteria."

I dont' understand author's, Ukraine-centric, point of view. Great Famine 1932-1932 was a much bigger and wide tragedy, than Holomodor.
Of course Ukrainian nationalists or idiots like Yushchenko, say that 8-10 million of people were "killed by starvation". But they forgot, than nearly 1.5 million people died in Kazakhstan, about 1 million in Northern Caucausus, about 1 million in, so called Povolzhe. In USSR (Soviet Ukraine, not the Soviet Union)starved about 3-4 million people, some estimates say it was 5-6 million. So, in whole Soviet Union, between 1931-1934 starved about 10 million people. Nearly the same ammount as in West Bangal, between 1942-1944 (I don't know exactly).
So, Holodomor is not a "anti-Ukrainian genocide" as many crank people want to say, but it was a part of great, Ukrainian, Russian, Kazakh and generally "soviet" tragedy.
Economist should not tolerate nationalistic manipulation.
I don't consider Great Famine in West Bengal, as "Churchill holocaust" as many want to say. I wrote about it many times, British should tell the truth about this, great Bengali, tragedy and who is responsible for this.
Holodomor, Ukrainian part of the Great Famine, was organised in Ukraine, by Ukrainians and the Pole, Stanisław Kosior.

Another example of totally confused thinking: "Holodomor, Ukrainian part of the Great Famine, was organised in Ukraine, by Ukrainians and the Pole, Stanisław Kosior"

Looks like there was no Stalin, no Postyshev. no Kaganovich, no Molotov, no Politbureau, no NKVD, no Moscow emmissaries.....maybe there was no bolshevik revolution ? NO Lenin ?

Apparently, the Ukrainians just got together on a sunny afternoon after harvest and decided to get everybody to load their harvested grains onto railways for shipment to Moscow. They also decided to kill their cows, pigs and other animals as all animals needed food for survival. With that problem solved these silly peasants must have decided to get on their wagons and start a long journey to the Urals. Well, the rest is history !

Read my post once more. Holodomor is Holodomor and Great Famine in the Soviet Union is something bigger. Stalin and the rest is responsible for the Great Famine, but the Ukrainians are responsible for the Ukrainian episode, called Holodomor.
This article states that there was Holodomor and only Holodomor, where are the rest of the people, who dissapeared in Kazakhstan, southtern Russia (RFSSR) then? UFO kidnapped them?

You obviously don't understand the term Holodomor when you said "Stalin and the rest is responsible for the Great Famine, but the Ukrainians are responsible for the Ukrainian episode, called Holodomor."

Which Ukrainians ? Somebody has already very specifically challenged you:
"...there was no Stalin, no Postyshev, no Kaganovich, no Molotov, no Politbureau, no NKVD, no Moscow emmissaries....."

Sounds like jubus needs a refresher memo about the role of people like Lazar Moiseievich Kaganovich, the leading Politbureau executioner of mass collectivisation and extermination of millions of peasants. There were no borders separating the people of various regions nor was there a different policy for each republic. The Politbureau implemented collectivisation accross the whole land. Lazar Moiseievich Kaganovich, a prominent member of the Comparty's Central Committee and Stalin's faithful 'comrade', was given the task of implementing collectivization including suppression of the kulaks. Kaganovich had primary responsibility for implementation of collectivization and for causing the catastrophic 1932-33 famine. He personally managed grain confiscations demanding accelerated collectivization and repressions against the kulaks. Indeed, Kaganovich inflicted enormous tragedy not only in Ukraine but also in Kazakhstan, Kuban and the lower Volga region. The major difference is simply in the number of victims, the ratio being about ONE to FOUR for Ukraine.

Why is it that every time something is written that sympathizes with Ukraine's historic tragedies, all these anti-Ukrainian, illiterate weirdos climb out of the woodwork to make racist, hateful, ignorant remarks? You guys know who you are... try reading the real literature on the Holodomor, especially the correspondence between the Kremlin leadership--Stalin, Kaganovich, Molotov--and its henchmen in Ukraine--Postishev, Kosior and others--which is available both in the original Russian and in English. It not only makes clear how deliberate the entire effort was, how deliberately anti-Ukrainian it was, and the contempt with which all Ukrainians were held, but it also shows Ukrainian communists were removed from positions of authority when they began to question what was being done. Mr. Yanukovych may have stood up in Brussels and denied that the Holodomor was genocide (we all know he's anti-Ukrainian), but even he did not deny that it happened.

What a big deal - the convicted criminal, orange princess Tymoshenko deliberately starves herself now probably hundred time (half hour a day, heh, heh, heh) to avoid appearing in court for her thievery while head of the UESU

Tymoshenko scandals

In August 2000, Olexandr Tymoshenko, a member of the board of the UESU and the husband of Yulia Tymoshenko, was arrested by the Ukrainian police. Together with Valery Falkovych, first deputy general director of the corporation, Tymoshenko was officially accused of embezzling US$800,000 in public funds through the export of rolled metal to Asia during the 1990s.[3] Yulia Tymoshenko served from 1995 to 1997 as the director of the company. Like her husband, Yulia Tymoshenko was arrested and she staid under arrest for several weeks on forgery and gas smuggling charges.[4] Kiev's Appeal Court canceled lodging of criminal proceedings against her and her husband in May 2004 [5] and in September 2005 Russian prosecutors canceled her arrest warrant.[6]

Former head of the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) Valentyn Nalyvaichenko claimed in 2010 that a document detailing the role of FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitive Semyon Mogilevich in the gas trade in the mid-1990s including ties with top officials close to Tymoshenko was destroyed by his predecessor Oleksandr Turchynov. Turchynov called such claims an "elaborate ruse engineered by Yushchenko" to discredit his close ally, Tymoshenko.[7]

The company was dissolved in 2009.[citation needed]

The Ukrainian security service opened a criminal investigation into the embezzlement of $405 million by Energy Systems of Ukraine early July 2011.[8]

But this article states, that "Russia" made a genocide on Ukrainians? What a rubbish, maybe author would write about Ukrainian genocide on Poles, Jews in 1940's,because Ukrainian nationalist say, that it wasn't genocide. Great Famine was a commmunist, pan-soviet tragedy, which occured mainly in Ukraine, breadbasket of the Soviet Union with plenty of, so called "kullakhs", but also in Kazakhstan, Lower Volga, Northern Caucasus (mainly Kuban').
It is very similar even to the Bengali one, from 1940's.
If wee seek real "soviet genocide" we should look closer at, so called "Polish NKVD operation" in 1937-1938. People were exterminated, mainly in Belarus and Ukraine, but also in Russia, only because of their nationality.

Jubus, where do you read that "Russia" "made a genocide on Ukrainians" [sic]? Did you even read the article or are you just a Kremlin bot??? The word "Russia" doesn't appear anywhere in this article! Half the people in this comment section seem to be simply ranting through their hats... ranting about Ukrainians, about Yushchenko, about the Holodomor, and not saying anything that shows any real understanding or intelligence, let alone relevance.

jubus, collectivization in Ukraine was enforced quite differently than in Russia as any analysis would show. Whole blocks of villages in Ukraine would get a "doshka" commanding it dead territory and its villagers were not to be given food or leave the village - a death sentence for whole regions of Ukraine. This policy did not happen in Russia because Stalin feared the Ukrainians most and starved them not the Russians. Collectivization in Russia was not enforced by taking away all food from the peasants as it was in Stalin's assault on Ukraine and in the Ukrainian Kuban which belonged to Russia at the time but was ethnically Ukrainian.

Jubus....You don't know much of anything, young man. You have an axe to grind and that's all you intend to do. If you really were open to discussion and listening to other points of view and maybe (WOW) actually learning something, you wouldn't make remarks that are patently false in relation to the TE article being commented on. RUSSIA is not mentioned anywhere in it. Correspondence between Stalin and his lackeys is not a "nationalist version of history." Get a life!

So lets recoup the FACTS which prove that the "holodomor = genocide of Ukraine by Russia" is nothing but a myth conjured by the UPA DUPA nazi collaborators the Ukraine people kicked out of their country after vast number Ukrainians joined the glorious Red Army and stomped the German nazi and their Ukraine UPA lackey into the mud.

Now lets look at the definition of GENOCIDE - Genocide is "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group"

here is why Holodomor = genocide of Ukraine by Russia myth conjured by the UPA nazi collaborators does not pass a smell test :

1. The FAMINE afflicted vast regions of the USSR, people of various ethnic groups starved along the Volga river (Russia), Kazakstan, E Ukraine (Russia) and Ukraine. There is NOT a single ethnic group "targeted for extermination" but a CLASS of people if targeted to be exterminated at all.

2. The FAMINE was result of widespread drought (W Ukraine under Polland oppression experienced food shortage too) and the Stalin (Gruzin) policies of industrialization and collectivization enforced by the local commissars made of local folk. The collectivization by force took the ownership of agricultural property and lands by large and medium farmers (kulaks) destroying the efficiency and management of the agricultural production in the process. The industrialization by force taxed and repossessed crops and food stuff from the drought stricken agricultural communities to pay for express industrialization needed to boost the USSR defenses against the rising German power after the Stalin attempts to create alliance with France and England failed.

The fact that enforcement come by local people to local people again proves there is NO act of genocide against ethnic group by other ethnic group.

3. The orange losers who officially introduced the "Holodomor = genocide of Russia against Ukraine" lie suffered humiliating defeat after a single term, not only because their thievery and incompetence caused MILLIONS of Ukraine people to run abroad in search of jobs in order to be able to support their starving families left in orange Ukraine. Many of the job seekers ended up in Russia adding to the largest Ukraine diaspora in the World.

One important reason why the orange menace suffered humiliating defeat was precisely the "Holodomor = genocide" myth, majority Ukraine people felt offended by, what hardly can happen if indeed there was a fact of genocide.

To add to their inherent stupidity and lack of intellect, the orange losers did not deny the fact the E Ukraine suffered by the FAMINE too. What means that they confess the fact that Russians suffered from the "Holodomor = genocide" by committing genocide against themselves, because E Ukraine was Russia at the time of the FAMINE and got incorporated into the Ukraine SSR
by the kleptomaniac Khrushchev (Ukrainian) as a "gift" :

Following the death of Stalin in 1953, Nikita Khrushchev became the new leader of the USSR. Having served as First Secretary of the Communist Party of Ukrainian SSR in 1938–49, Khrushchev was intimately familiar with the republic; after taking power union-wide, he began to emphasize the friendship between the Ukrainian and Russian nations. In 1954, the 300th anniversary of the Treaty of Pereyaslav was widely celebrated, and in particular, Crimea was transferred from the Russian SFSR to the Ukrainian SSR.[82]

4. Ukraine always were ardent USSR supporters with the largest number of party members. In result Ukraine become one of the most predominant USSR members :

By 1950, the republic had fully surpassed pre-war levels of industry and production.[83] During the 1946–1950 five-year plan, nearly 20% of the Soviet budget was invested in Soviet Ukraine, a 5% increase from prewar plans. As a result, the Ukrainian workforce rose 33.2% from 1940 to 1955 while industrial output grew 2.2 times in that same period.

Soviet Ukraine soon became a European leader in industrial production,[84] and an important center of the Soviet arms industry and high-tech research. Such an important role resulted in a major influence of the local elite. Many members of the Soviet leadership came from Ukraine, most notably Leonid Brezhnev, who would later oust Khrushchev and become the Soviet leader from 1964 to 1982, as well as many prominent Soviet sports players, scientists, and artists."

Such rise in the Ukraine influence can hardly happen if genocide of Russian against Ukraine happen. Just take for example a look how the Ireland who suffered the most disastrous "potato" famine while under England oppression feel about their england oppressors for example :

Please ignore kpxoxol. He thinks he works for the FSB as a disinformation specialist. He has been banned by the Kyiv Post (the kp in his name) for his racist rants. Calling a Ukrainian a xoxol is like calling a black man the "N" word. Yet, he has this racist slur in his online ID. It's unfortunate that he repeats the same venomous lies over and over. He needs help.

I believe the TE should point the Efraim Zuroff to this BIG BOLSHOI. The bazi hunters will be glad to pluck yet another "Demyanjuk type" Ukraine nazi war criminal considering his persistent lies regarding the USSR famine of 1933.

It is well known fact that the US protected and hid from justice vast number of nazi war criminals

"NEW YORK — Declassified CIA files reveal that U.S. intelligence officials went to great lengths to protect a Ukrainian fascist leader and suspected Nazi collaborator from prosecution after World War II and set him up in a New York office to wage covert war against the Soviet Union, according to a new report to Congress.

Mykola Lebed led an underground movement to undermine the Kremlin and conduct guerrilla operations for the CIA during the Cold War, says the report, prepared by two scholars under the supervision of the National Archives. It was given to Congress on Thursday and posted online.

During World War II, the report says, Lebed helped lead a Ukrainian nationalist organization that collaborated with the Nazis in the destruction of the Jews of the western Ukraine and also killed thousands of Poles. The new report details postwar efforts by U.S. intelligence officials to throw the federal government's Nazi hunters off his trail and to ignore or obscure his past."

After criticism from the West re Tiananmen massacre there were many dozens of of "spontanous" protests (and more) on the Net from "common Chinese citizens,/students" all containg the identical typos and syntactical errors. :-)))))

kpxoxol you idjut, your posts show you know nothing of history. Eastern Ukraine did not belong to the Russian Federation nor was it gifted by Khrushchev (only Crimea was). Eastern Ukraine was ethnically Ukrainian not Russian, moreover those parts of Russia most hit hard by the Famine was the ethnically Ukrainian Kuban which was put to starvation because Stalin feared Ukrainian patriotism as a force that could bring down the Soviet Union. If you actually read Stalin's correspondence you'd learn he based decisions on collectivization through the prism of nationality as well. His writings on Ukrainians make this clear.

Holodomor was one more crime of huge proportions perpetrated by the Communists. No doubt about that.
The problem is that Ukrainian nationalists far too often confuse the Russians and the Communists blaming all disasters of their country on the Russian people. Unfortunately, so many Ukrainians supported the Communists and joined the party that they became the victims as well as the prime perpetrators of the Communists' crimes. During the Soviet time the Ukrainian Communist Party was the second biggest among the parties of the Soviet republics and even now its sucessor counts more than one hundred thousand members. Not mentioning that so many top bolsheviks (incl. Trotsky) were born in the Ukraine.

"..even now its sucessor counts more than one hundred thousand members."
That's in the total population of about 46 million. WOW !

".. Not mentioning that so many top bolsheviks (incl. Trotsky) were born in the Ukraine."

More of the old plain B.S.! Leon Trotsky, just as Lazar Kaganovich, were both Jews who happened to live in what was then Russian empire, incl. most of Ukraine.
Falsifying national origin of prominent Communist leaders will not help your cause.
Look, why don't you trace Lenin's origin to his grandfather who also lived in Ukraine ?

Since the Jew, Trotsky (Bronstein) has been assasinated (with an ice-pick) on Georgian Stalin's (Dzhugashivili's) by a Mexican GRU agent, and that Georgian, in turn, has been poisoned on Russian Malenkov and Khruschev's orders by KGB gen. V.V. Putin's grandpa, Spiridon (Stalin's cook) - can we agree that Communism was a truly internationalist ideology?

International scope of communism is undeniable as is a very prominent role of international Jewish revolutionnaires. As already pointed out by others the influencial role played by Jewish women is certainly striking. How did it come about that leading communists, starting with Stalin himself as well as his close Politbureau associates - Kaganovich, Molotov, Yezhov, and on and on, - all had Jewish wifes ? Have historians missed some important links ?

Cf. Luna Bristiger [read on her in Wiki] one of the chief torturers in the Polish-Soviet UB (an equivalent of Nazi Gestapo), Stalinist prosecutor Brus "Wolinska" who sentended to death dozens of officers and soldiers of the Polish Home Army (AK) and whom, btw., UK refused to extradite to post-Communist Poland. And so on, and so forth.

Btw. Yura, can you explain to me why, long after Stalingrad was renamed Volgograd, and Leningrad has returned to St. Petersburg name, etc., ancient Kralevec (later Koenigsberg) still bears a name of the Bolshevik thug? In 2012???

Duh... Ukraine was the second most populous republic (the rest were mostly tiny populations by comparison) so, duh, yes, it would naturally have had the second most number of CP members. What's that supposed to suggest? And what difference does this make to the realities of the Holodomor...? Ukraine also had the best-educated and often most talented population, going back for several hundred years, which had been crushed often enough in so many different ways that, yes, to survive, probably lots of people decided they'd better join, and much of the brain and talent moved to Moscow, whether voluntarily or not. If some of the hate-mongers who seem to pop up on any article that sympathizes the least with Ukraine or Ukrainians would understand such notions as colonialism, survivor syndrome, brain-washing, terrorizing and so on, they might stop their blathering.

"If some of the hate-mongers who seem to pop up on any article that sympathizes the least with Ukraine or Ukrainians would understand such notions as colonialism, survivor syndrome, brain-washing, terrorizing and so on, they might stop their blathering."

This would mean that these hate-mongers are indeed capable of understanding such issues as colonialism, terrorism, etc.
Many of them are limited in their capacity to what their propaganda sources provide. Others have managed to learn elementary skill of copying and pasting and keep practicing it irrespective of the irrelevance of subject matter.

> it would naturally have had the second most number of CP members.
It's not natural for the robbed to join the robbers. According to Wikipedia in 1971 there were more than 3.5 million Ukrainian communists.

>Ukraine also had the best-educated and often most talented population,
Very doubtful judging by the Ukraine's performance since its independence.

> If some of the hate-mongers who seem to pop up on any article that sympathizes the least with Ukraine or Ukrainians
If it was in reply to my post, your statement is wrong - i do sympathize with the Ukrainians for Holodomor (i started my post with calling it a crime of huge proportions) and the foam of nationalism they tend to beget.

Quote: It's not natural for the robbed to join the robbers. According to Wikipedia in 1971 there were more than 3.5 million Ukrainian communists.

Your comments show incredible naivete about the psychology of terror. Moreover, if all career opportunities and choice of place to live, study, etc etc, were determined by party membership, in America, probably 90% of the population would join that party! The proportion in Ukraine was less than 10% based on your citation.

Your remaining comments are simply biased against Ukrainians. Look at Russia's Olympic performance since Ukraine left the USSR. Just as a start... sigh. It's very hard to discuss anything with people who know so little history.