Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Monday June 12th, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Shayna Lopez Rivas about how mental health regulations affect rape victims and gun owners.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Doug Ritter from Knife Rights, the second front of the second amendment.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and we interview Yehuda Remer about his new book for children called “Safety On”.

.. so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul: episode 411 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rob- Modified holster with larger leather. It is hot down here and I wanted to keep the grip off my skin. Started using a bedside safe to keep my gun secure at night. Dry fire practice. Carried every day except when I paid a call on a large corporation in Texas..and their building was posted. Boo! Speaking of Texas, I registered for the Gun Rights Policy Conference.

John – Attended Andrew Branca’s Law of Self Defense Level 1 and 2 classes this past weekend. If you get into a DGU, there are two battles you have to win – the physical battle and the legal battle.

Gary

Paul/Susan Did a fast turn (explain) that is why the show took SO long to release.

(Saturday, February 3, 2018) Law of Self Defense LEVEL 1 Class: South Dakota

(Sunday, February 4, 2018) Law of Self Defense LEVEL 2 Class: South Dakota

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2- News 1

John – Florida Sheriff Gets It

Brevard County Sheriff Wayne Ivey took to social media and television recently to urge citizens to arm themselves against terror attacks. Referring to recent terror attacks around the globe Ivey said “This is war, and you better be prepared to wage war to protect you, your family and those around if you’re attacked,”

Later in the video the continued “Folks, now more than ever is the time for our citizens to be prepared to serve as the first line of defense. Doing nothing, or just hoping that nothing is going to happen to you, is not going to save your life.”

Sheriff Ivey joins a growing number of elected sheriffs across the nation who are encouraging their citizenry to arm themselves and get training. A welcome development.

Gary –

John – Wayne Ivey puts on tactical classes for his citizens.

Paul – These folks are elected and therefore they could be speaking to those that are gun owners and vote in their counties.

Gary – More good news from Florida

Florida Governor Rick Scott signed 2 bills into law that help to restore our freedoms recently.

SB-128 Burden of Proof restores the burden of proof to the prosecution in self defense cases.

SB-1052 Justifiable Use of Force removes the requirement that you be directly under attack to employ deadly force inside your home. Under the previous law it could have been construed that you had to retreat from your home even if others remained in danger.

Both of these laws are positive steps and we applaud the that the citizens of Florida are in a better position today as both bills to effect immediately upon being signed.

Paul – Moving in the right direction in Oklahoma as well.

Oklahoma Governor Mary Fallin signed SB397 into law recently The new law, which takes effect on November 1st will allow people to carry concealed weapons on public transportation systems in the Sooner state. Under previous law it was a felony to carry on board public transit and could have cost you a 10 year prison term and a $10,000 fine.

Gov. Fallin also signed SB35 into law that will give people with military IDs either active duty, guard or reserve to carry without a permit in Oklahoma. The wording in the bill makes clear that this is for anyone who is serving, not just Oklahoma residents.

Rob- I support this, but the law seems capricious.

Rob- Gun Quotes- The United States Constitution does not exist to grant you rights; Those are inherent within you. Rather, it exists to frame a limited government so that those natural rights can be exercised freely. Unknown

John- 5- DGUs (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

Gary- Wrong Apartment

A would-be burglar was killed last week during a home invasion near the Norfolk Naval Station in Virginia. 4 young thugs tried to break into an apartment just after midnight but he was shot during the attempt according to police. He expired in the front yard of the complex. A second person was also shot and later turned up at the local medical center.

The wounded thug and two of his partners were charged with armed burglary, conspiracy and using a gun to commit a felony. All four of the invaders were from the Richmond VA area, a drive of an hour and a half to 2 hours.

A resident of the complex told reporters several guys walked up the stairs and kicked in the door of the apartment. Instead of scoring some loot, they were greeted with flying lead.

Police received several calls for shots at the complex where they found a man suffering from an apparent gunshot wound. At least 6 shots were fired.

The man who lived in the building hoped that the man would not be charged. At this time, no determination has been published as to the shooters fate.

The resident of the apartment was prepared to defend himself and his possible loved ones. The thugs kicking in the door gave him an opportunity to arm himself.

Paul –

Rob- Hard to react quickly in the middle of the night. Thank goodness the door was locked.

Paul- Online Sale Gone Wrong

A Texas family is happy to be OK after a suspect attempted to rob them recently at their home. The homeowner was forced to defend his family and shoot the suspect.

The teenage daughter was buying a cell phone from a seller on the website Offer Up. The seller was supposed to meet them at a public place but there were delays and the family agreed to meet him at their home.

When Joshua Daniels arrived, the daughter asked to see the phone before handing over her money. Daniels then pulled a gun, pointed at the girl’s head and dragged her by the hair. He continued to demand the money. When the girl ran inside to get the money, the gun then went to pointed at the mother. Ted Webster stated “All I thought, our whole relationship, my future without her flashed before my eyes and I cannot bear that thought.”

Webster then tackled Daniels. When the two got up, Daniels was still demanding money.

Webster said he would go get it, but instead he got his gun. When he returned to the front door, Daniels raised his gun but Webster was faster and pulled the trigger before Daniels could.

“All I can remember is, I saw that hand starting to come up and I had no choice. I had to pull the trigger,” said Webster.

Police said that Daniels was shot in the stomach and left with another suspect in the getaway car. He was found 15 miles away at a gas station. He died after being taken to the hospital. The driver was being questioned by police.

As usual, POGO, Pants On Gun On. Webster should not have had to retrieve his firearm. The local police also recommend to use the special parking spots they have for anyone who wants to make these types of transactions. They are under 24 hour surveillance. If you can use such an area, use it. Never invite strangers to your home, it is inviting trouble.

John – First, Webster was lucky not to have been shot when he tackled Daniels.

Paul- I am a little concerned about “surveillance

Gary –

John – Also get a non-lethal alternative as well.

Rob- Mom Stops Home Invasion

An Indianapolis mother is receiving support from the local police after shooting the intruder. The 19 year-old was armed and coming through the front door of her apartment when she shot him. The deceased was found dead inside the threshold of the home.

A neighbor saw one man flee and another man drove away in a possible get-away car. Police are following leads and have not confirmed if the two were considered accomplices. This was the second DGU in two days in the Eastside neighborhood which is the deadliest in the Indy Metropolitan area.

Neighbors stated “You have to defend yourself. We have laws for that.” They hoped that criminals would start to think twice before breaking into other people’s home.

If your neighborhood has gone bad like this one, you have two choices. Move or prepare yourself for trouble. This mother probably could not do one so she did the other.

John- The Family that Robs Together

A home intruder in Alabama was found wounded in the woods after getting into a gun battle with a homeowner a short time earlier. The gunfight erupted about 3 AM.

The homeowner woke to the sounds of someone trying to get into his house and then saw the suspect “standing in the doorway between the bedroom and kitchen.” He issued a verbal warning that he was armed and the suspect replied that he was armed as well. Shots began to ring out.

Nearly a dozen shots were fired between the perpetrator and the homeowner. The intruder fled the home and ran into a wooded area with his girlfriend. He was discovered in the woods with gunshot wounds once the morning sun lit up the woods.

According to the sheriff, it appears the girlfriend and the suspects 18 year-old son were waiting in a car through the invasion. They were also taken into custody.

The homeowner was not injured which amazed the authorities.

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Gary- Listener e-mail discussion

Text message #1

Just heard the podcast thanks for the advice I will look at the safe at Walmart and that is the only handgun I have so if it’s not on the duty belt it’s in my blade tech holster on me.

And the comment about my skivvies and the duty belt, I almost spit out my coffee lol! Side note I made sure the belt would fit me when all I’m wearing is underwear.

Paul – Email #1

Your latest episode seems to have shown up on iTunes about 9 days after it was recorded, so I am just now listening to it. In fact, I just finished listening to what happened with Bob Owens and felt I needed to stop right there and send you some email.

Here’s the reality in today’s God forsaken society. Men who show any weakness or any pain with be, at the very least, shunned and ostracized in the modern world, so men who are less than perfect, who want to survive in this world get very, very good at wearing a mask. That’s why you didn’t realize that there was something wrong, he was very good at playing the part of someone who is fine. The abuse that happens over decades helps fine tune that act until it is worthy of an Academy Award.

And I know you meant well when you told people to get help, but it’s really terrible advice. There is no help available for a conservative, Christian, white, cis-gendered, hetereonormative man. Modern mental health professionals are deeply indoctrinated on progressive and feminist theory, making them more likely to do a lot of harm instead of helping. Such a man can expect nothing but ridicule and abuse as well as being presented with a bill for thousands of dollars. Suggesting that people call the “National Suicide Prevention Hotline” (which isn’t exactly national, it forwards to a local number) sometimes leads to getting the advice to go ahead and kill yourself. There have been multiple instances of this happening and I’m of the opinion some of it is coming from “mental health” professionals who are only there because they are required to do Community Service for some crime. The hatred of damaged men is very strong in our society.

Several years ago, I actually tried to do something. I tried to go down a path where I would have the training and resources to help some of the people who are being overlooked or outcast (such as Autism/Asperger’s Syndrome, for one example). I started taking seminary classes. That’s when I learned that the majority of churches have gone down the progressive rabbit hole and are biased (some more than others) against straight white males. We are the cause of all evil in the world. So, I failed. I wish I knew what I could do to help, but I’m drawing a blank.

Yes, this is a big problem in today’s world and I urge you to at least make an effort to not flinch and draw away when you encounter a man in pain.

— Matt

Email #2

John – Paul, I’m listening to episode 410 and liked the Walmart jeans comment. I work in a semi-professional environment and wear Wallyworld jeans every day. At 10-15/pair you can’t beat them and you don’t cry when they get ripped up. I’ve never once had anyone complain by jeans weren’t fashionable. I don’t know if it was Jon or Rob that mentioned their belly but it called a tactical muffintop. It is designed to slow bullets down before they get to important organs. Some people use body armor. I order a Big Mac. Keep it up.

David from Ohio.

Rob- Email #3

No recipes please, get those out of your system on Facebook Susan! Firstly I wanna contribute to the fifth pocket jeans discussion. The New Yorker who wrote in was probably referring to a mouse gun/pocket gun. I carry the M&P Bodyguard as my backup/non permissive environment primary and I suspect the tiny 6 round single stack .380 mags fit ok. Secondly I’d like to bring a positive open carry experience report to y’all. (Despite Paul’s pleading I stop carrying openly.)I attended a graduation party that was not family so I was exposed to some individuals with very different politics than I. Living up to my self proclaimed description of “ambassador from the gun community” I held polite discussion for about an hour explaining why people carry guns and why it’s to be protected just like any of the civil rights they fight for. One of whom was a Caucasian BLM supporter. Everyone left the conversation nodding in agreement with me. I explained to the host’s mother who approached me inquiring if I was expecting trouble. I explained to her that carrying a gun is much like a seat belt. If I only put it on when I expected danger, the odds are much higher than acceptable of it not being on in an emergency. I also had the opportunity to field a question along the lines of “why do people like you live in fear?”I politely explained that if we were as afraid as you think we are, we would still be in our basements clutching a shotgun instead of out socializing in the world. I continued on to say the opposite is true, we take a step to make ourselves safer in the gravest extreme and we go about our lives more comfortable knowing we have the means to save a life in that circumstance. Sorry for ignoring your advice Paul but I believe I am out here making a difference in a positive way. A cool recommendation for Paul to shoot competition:Shield. Bug class. IDPA. The M&P Shield is the king of the category, in my opinion. You down load your magazines to six rounds and your competitors are pocket guns and J frame revolvers. You get a great chance to run your EDC rigs, practice reloads more often, use cover and concealment, seldom end up with partially loaded mags you’re not “allowed” to drop on the ground, and you don’t have to compete against people with $5000 rigs/race guns. I have a good time and highly recommend it. -Clayton Again (I’m watching you, Carl.)

Paul – I would like to say that you can have the same conversations without giving up your tactical advantage.

The NC House of Representatives passed HB 746 which is the Omnibus Gun Bill. The most important thing in the bill is permitless concealed carry or constitutional carry. Unfortunately, thanks to Bloomberg’s money and lobbyists, 8 Republicans defected from the majority which means that as things stand now, the bill cannot be be overridden if Democratic Gov. Roy Cooper vetoes it as expected. The concept of a pro-gun Democrat has also died in North Carolina as each and every one of the House Democrats voted against the bill.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank Shayna Lopez Rivas, Yehuda Remer, and Doug Ritter. for joining us today. So for Charlie Foxtrot, Jae, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Paul: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Tuesday, May 23rd, 2017 I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Paloma Capanna about protecting your rights of gun ownership and your privacy in New York.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about Big City gun bigots in, believe it or not, Texas.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we’ll have a report on the Women of the Industry Meet & Mingle.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in our DGU’s we talk about a couple of bad decisions… so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John: and hang on!

Paul: episode 410 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rob- MAG 20 class with Rachel Malone as the chief instructor. My wife joined me, and we got to meet some very nice people. I published two new episodes of Self-Defense Gun Stories with instructors David Cole and Jeff Street. I ordered a new holster, and I’ll be on Lock and Load Radio with Bill Frady again.

John – I booked my plane ticket for GRPC. I found I had enough frequent flyer miles to pay for it! With the money I saved, I enrolled in Andrew Branca’s The Law of Self Defense Level 1 & 2 classes which will be held in Raleigh, NC on June 10 & 11. Other than that, it has been cleaning out my mom’s house and work. Oh, I almost forgot. Last week I got to go to one of the most unusual combo gun stores around. It was way better than Bubba’s Beer, Bait, and Guns. The name of the store was McCaysville Drug and Gun. Their motto is Pistols or Prozac – We Got You Covered.

Large American cities harbor liberal politicians who would restrict our rights. Seeing chiefs of police citing the non-existent threat of concealed carry is not news. For these law enforcement officials, touting the party line is how you advance in city politics. Elected sheriffs typically have a more reasoned approach. The outstanding sheriffs who come to mind are Joe Arpaio, David Clarke and Wayne Ivey. These sheriffs realize that it is critical for law enforcement to work with good citizens to beat back the threats to our daily lives.

Then there is Sheriff Lupe Valdez of Dallas County, Texas. Yes, Texas. She is putting the weight of her office forward to sway Washington from passing national reciprocity. Sheriff Valdez actually said, “This bill would make it easier for dangerous people, like stalkers and domestic abusers, to carry hidden guns in all 50 states.” Of course, it does not matter that stalking, assault and murder are already illegal. Does Valdez believe that such people would actually be deterred because they do not have reciprocity for their carry permits? The odds are that they would not have a carry permit in the first place. But, gun control advocates rarely allow facts to change their propaganda.

Valdez is actually a member of Americans for Responsible Solutions. This is the gun control group founded by Gabby Giffords and her husband, Mark Kelly. But, when you reach the lofty position of Sheriff of Dallas County, your perspective changes. You do not have to walk a crime scene and realize that the person lying dead on the ground may have survived if armed. Maybe you do not even care.

Rob- Follow the money. The sheriff is groveling for campaign dollars.

John- I agree with Rob. She is unusual.

Gary-

Wear Orange!

The gun grabbers have come up with a silly idea to promote their agenda. They have called on their followers to wear orange on June 2. The photos are to be posted to social media with the hashtag “#WearOrange.”

Second Amendment champion AWR Hawkins would like to get in on the game, too. He suggests that everyone go to the range that day, wearing orange. So, be sure to post pictures of yourself shooting while wearing orange. Tag it with #WearOrange and let’s beat them at their own game!

Gun Quotes

Bureaucracies are progressive. meaning they have a burning fear that someone, somewhere, is doing something without permission. Jerry Pournelle

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest Paloma Campanna and ???

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3- Interview 1 Paloma Capanna- Do you give up your rights when you own a gun?

Defending gun owners from breach of medical information and release of information kept on federal forms we’re required to submit when we buy a gun.

Decision from the District Ct can be found here. The case is now on appeal to the 2nd Circuit Ct of Appeals.

Kevin, can high fidelity training pull more gun owners into advanced training?

Can you tell the speed of trigger travel?

The slide cycles in about .2 seconds.

The range is over 15 yards.

5- DGUs (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

Never Shoot a Fleeing Thief

A Franklinton Louisiana man is facing charges from a DGU gone wrong. An unnamed man was visiting Wilson Rowell recently and as he was packing up to head home, slipped one of Rowell’s pistols into his luggage. Rowell confronted his visitor and the man pulled out the pistol and pointed it at Rowell, Rowell’s wife and mother. After the brief standoff, the would be thief tossed his ill-gotten gains to the ground made a break for it. At this point, Rowell fired and struck the fleeing thief two times.

The victim was taken to the hospital and will be arrested upon release and booked with theft of a firearm and three counts of aggravated assault with a firearm.

Rowell was booked on aggravated battery and had two outstanding warrants for contempt of court and failure to appear.

Louisiana, as in many states, a person’s right to use deadly force ends when the threat to your life ends by the person posing the threat flees. When the visitor attempted to run away, he ended the threat of bodily harm and thus ended Rowell’s need to use a gun defensively.

Paul – We have said it many times – when the bad guy is running away it is time to stop shooting

Rob- Let’s learn from this. You can’t make those decisions in the moment. You have to make them NOW. You need a conditioned response

John – We aren’t law enforcement. We don’t have an obligation to detain the bad guy or to stop them from fleeing.

Self-defense isn’t always involves against another human

In recent weeks we have seen a rash of dogs mauling either other dogs or children. In a recent LA report, the FBI was investigating an incident involving an off-duty agent who shot and killed a pit bull who attacked the man’s German Shepherd.

The agent was out walking his dog when the unleashed pit bull attacked his dog. He attempted to pull his dog away but the attack continued so he pulled out his gun and shot the attacking dog once, killing it. This followed an incident where LAPD had to shoot 3 pit bulls which attacked a man and his small dog.

In either incident, no charges were going to be charged.

Paul – It’s not the breed it’s the owner. Also you may need to use your gun to defend against 4 legged predators, are you prepared for that?

John – I agree. In the last couple of years we had a local woman killed by a pair of dogs that we normally think of friendly big dogs – Great Danes.

Rob- I’ve lived in a rural community. If your dogs attack my stock, then your dogs are going to die. Been there, the dogs escaped because I wasn’t allowed to carry in California and they got away before I got my gun.

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Hi everyone! Thanks for your outstanding work, I love the podcast.A recent discussion came up about carrying spare magazines and it’s really a hot subject here in (what Massad Ayoob once called) “darkest New York”.We are restricted to carrying no more than 7 rounds in a magazine here, so a spare mag is an assumed necessity.I was wondering if any of your other listeners used the small “5th pocket” on the right side of their jeans like I do. Great retention and it’s already there.The only downside is that I have to reach across for a reload. The plus is that I’m already aware of concealment on that side and it blends in with whatever I’m already wearing to cover my holster.I’d like to hear your thoughts on this as well.Thanks again everyone! Be mighty!

Rachel-I could barely fit 3 bullets in my jeans 5th pocket, much less a mag. More power to you. Sure it’s not ideal, but….what do you give up to gain? I think this could be a fair gain.

Rob- new mag to fit a mag in your pocket.

John

Email #1 this one is from Carl

Hi,

We should not assume that because we do not have little ones at home, nor grandchildren that are close enough to drop in unannounced that we can be sloppy about securing our firearms. We had a neighbor and her 4 year old visit a while back when I wasn’t home. My wife related to me that the little guy started exploring the house. His mom was going to stop him but my wife told her it was OK. And you know what? It was OK because our firearms are locked up when not in use.

Carl

P.S. I have been able to get a sense of Paul’s trucking routes and it seems he travels through my neck of the woods from time to time. I will be on the lookout for his company’s trucks, especially since I hear he hauls two of my favorite commodities – ice cream and bourbon!!! If I am lucky I will be near when loads are rejected!

Paul

Rob- Good job.

Email #2 This one from our anonymous Michigander

Hi Everybody –

I have continued to faithfully listen and enjoy the episodes.

Couple of things…

A few episodes ago there was a discussion around “carrying” and working for an employer who doesn’t have the same viewpoint and prohibits firearms on the property as a term or condition of employment. It was interesting to listen to others wrestle with this issue. I think your commenters were in the medical profession (I think it was a nurse?). It was a great discussion and it came down to weighing the risk of losing your job (or career) versus your work environment safety risks.

Now add another dimension, the employer provides a good job, a good work environment, and makes it possible for you to pay for top shelf training.

My point is, it was reassuring to hear others in the concealed carry community contemplate and wrestle with the same decisions and choices…not easy decisions and serious stuff when others are depending on you to walk in the door every night as well as provide financial viability for the family.

These types of discussions on the podcast really provide a service to our community – thanks.

Paul –

On a lighter note — have you shot your first competitive match yet?

I went to my first match this spring.

There were pluses and minuses for me.

On the down side – they took one look at my everyday carry set up and said “nope!”

I carry concealed IWB 4:00 O’clock with an FBI cant for every day carry.

So, in match competition I am drawing from a 3:00 O’clock OWB holster…not the best scenario.

On the up side- I had a great time. Once I told them I was a new competitor/shooter the safety officers and other shooters really helped me out.

I have since gone back to other matches. I look forward to competing at the regional and various state matches.

And yes…I have been taking dead-last at the matches…pretty humbling, but I am improving.

Regards,

Your Faithful Anonymous Michigan Listener

Rob- We’ve had experienced shooters shoot from the 5 o’clock position. They won’t allow a shoulder rig because the gun is pointed at other competitors.

How many of us have heard people tell you strange things about themselves when they find out you’re a gun owner. I decided to write them down..along with the answers we’ve all kept to ourselves.

I’ve had people say, “My husband has a gun, so I don’t need one.” You’re the designated victim?

“I couldn’t hurt anyone.” Really, you don’t care if your family is hurt? Does your husband or wife know that?

I’d like to thank the organization “Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership” for reposting a number of my articles. They are usually hosted at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com. John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

Rob-

John- I received an email over the weekend from the Brady Campaign opposing national carry reciprocity. They are now calling it the “Zimmerman Bill”. Our listeners know that all of us on the Polite Society Podcast have met and interviewed George Zimmerman in person. George is a quiet young man who was forced to defend his life and has had his life turned upside down as a result. The Brady Campaign even called George a criminal which is defamation. They are trying to paint an ugly picture of unhinged white guys being able to kill young black men with impunity. This is a lie and they need to be called out on it.

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank ( PalomaGuests) for joining us today. So for Charlie Foxtrot, Jae, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Sunday, May 14, 2017. I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Laura Carno about training school staff in Colorado to be first responders.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Sean Maloney from second call defense.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and in one of our DGU’s we’ll hear how a Houston man successfully defended himself against 3 attackers

Rob: So climb aboard,

Rachel: strap in,

John : and hang on!

Paul: episode 409 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rob- Carried every day. Did some dry practice with a SIRT pistol. New ammo arrived for a training class. I’ve also been thinking about how we train and how we teach. We’ll talk about that in our e-mail segment. I’ve also been thinking about Gary’s mom, but I haven’t written that article yet. I also put out a new episode of Self-Defense Gun Stories.

John – I want to apologize to our listeners for missing our last show. I had just a horrible internet connection. Listening to the others was like being in some hallucinogenic Techo event. Now to current events. I’m a bit sore as we have been cleaning out what had been my Mom’s house as – ta da – I have a buyer for it. My Mom passed away 9 years ago so it’s time! I am still finding treasures including a signed promotion letter to my Mom from the FBI’s J. Edgar Hoover. As to gun news, I was pocket carrying my Ruger LCP II the whole time. It’s very convenient.

Bob Owens Suicide- Suicide is typically a result of depression. Most of us never consider if we should kill ourselves. We don’t ask if we should mark or cut ourselves. We don’t ask because the question never occurs to us. If you have asked yourself these questions, then please go get help. What you’re doing in asking that question isn’t normal. It isn’t healthy. You are suffering from an illness. You’re depressed. It is a disease, not a character flaw. You don’t need sympathy or to think happy thoughts or take a homeopathic remedy. You need a doctor. You need help now.

One of the largest contributors to periods of depression is lack of sleep. So take a driven individual working on an important project. They work too hard. Drink lots of coffee. Sleep too little, and then start a downward spiral of sleep deprivation and depression.

In typical California fashion, the City of San Francisco uses every measure at its disposal to limit the freedoms of law abiding citizens. In a recent Breitbart article, AWR Hawkins exposed the folly of the elitist politicians who perpetually occupy City Hall.

In 2013 the city enacted a high capacity unquote magazine ban. At the time, Larry Barsetti of the police union was quoted as saying, “All you’re doing is impacting honest law-abiding citizens of San Francisco; the bad guys aren’t going to obey this law; they’re not supposed to be carrying in the first place.”

Recently published crime statistics appear to support Mr. Barsetti’s prediction. Numerous improvements were noted in crime rates within the city. Crimes against property fell by a staggering 11 percent from 2015 to 2016. Incidents of reported thefts, arson, vehicle theft and burglaries also decreased on a year-by-year basis.

Crimes in which firearms were involved, however, exploded during the same time period. The murder rate increased by 15 percent and gunshot victims increased by 27 percent! Surely the well-meaning public servants of The City by the Bay have not yet concocted the perfect mixture of rights restrictions to serve their stated purpose.

Although we cannot, at this time, attribute any of this increase directly to magazine restrictions, there is a comparison that can be made. A city on the other side of the country, Baltimore, Maryland, has similar gun controls in place. They also enacted a high capacity magazine ban in 2013. Since then, Charm City has endured higher murder rates than before the ban. Criminal use of such magazines has increased since the ban took effect. In fact, the carnage has risen to such a level that Baltimore’s mayor has called for the Feds to intervene.

Doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results is often coined as a measure of insanity. On this basis, politicians promoting gun control measures should be considered for luxurious vacations at their local funny farm.

John –

Kitchen Table FFLs for Everyone

Unless you are employed by an American news organization, you probably know that a Federal Firearms License (FFL) is required in order to legally deal in guns. We should probably give them a break since the Gun Control Act has only been in effect since 1968.

Many motivated collectors applied for, and received, FFLs in order to pursue their legal hobbies in an above-board manner. These individuals have often been referred to as “Kitchen Table FFLs.”

If you are relatively new to the gun community you may not have heard of this phenomenon. That is because a man by the name of Josh Sugarmann of the Violence Policy Center. He thought that these collectors posed such a threat to public safety that they must lose their licences. So, Mr. Sugarmann set out on a mission of petitioning the Clinton Administration to remedy the situation. Of course, the Administration complied. Since then only those selling firearms for profit are eligible for a FFL.

Now it is time for the funny part. Mr. Sugarmann applied for and received a Federal Firearms Licence for the Violence Policy Center as a non-profit. His application stated that he was a “firearms expert in design and manufacture.” His given purpose for the FFL was for the “examination and publication of written material” about firearms. The application also specifically mentions, “no firearms or ammunition will be sold.”

So which is it then? Is it or is it not possible to have an FFL for purposes other than business profits? It appears that the ATF is not even sure. The folks at LonelyMachines filed a Freedom of Information Request regarding this matter. When it was determined that the VPC does hold a non-profit FFL, they inquired of the ATF as to the steps one must go through in order to obtain a similar licence. At first the ATF stated that it was not possible. When it was pointed out that Mr. Sugarmann had such a license, they finally said that one must put “N/A” to answer the question related to making a profit. Then a sheet of paper is attached to explain the nonprofit business.

Now we all can file for FFLs! Isn’t it awesome that the man who took away the rights of so many people also gave us the method by which those rights can be taken back?

John – I always thought Emily Miller should have had Josh Sugarmann handle her FFL transfer.

Laws for them, but not for us.

Paul – I wonder if I can get an ffl for the Polite Society Podcast?

Constitutional carry for knives in Montana

Montana law treated knives with a blade of more than 4 inches the same as firearms in their concealed carry statute. It is legal to carry concealed weapons in most of Montana, without a permit, except inside city limits. The new law only applied to people in incorporated towns and cities.

This year, 2017, Governor Bullock is term limited, and cannot run again. He vetoed the proposed Constitutional Carry bill for the third time. But Governor Bullock allowed HB 251 to become law. HB 251 is simple. It removes all weapons from the concealed carry law except firearms. The votes for the bill were 70-29 in the House and 38 to 11 in the Senate. That is more than enough to override a veto from the Governor.

In Montana, if the governor does not sign or veto a bill, within 10 days after it is delivered to him, it becomes law. Constitutional Carry for knives became law on April 21, 2017. It goes into effect on 1 October, 2017.

Rob- Wish we had that in Louisiana.

Stacy Washington-

This next news column is a tribute to our listeners. We’re read the hit-pieces from liberal media criticizing and slandering honest gun owners. We’ve been called ammo-sexuals, trigger trash and child-killers. We’ve heard the NRA compared to ISIS. What is relatively new, is that articulate voices have spoken in opposition to these slanders..and then been fired from the media outlets because of their opinion.

The self-styled “progressive free press” is increasingly intolerant of views that don’t match their liberal talking points. The most recent example was the indefinite suspension of Stacy Washington, a radio and print journalists from Saint Louis. Stacy used to write for the Saint Louis Post Dispatch. In an edited opinion column, Stacy criticized professional journalists who didn’t maintain journalistic standards when they were writing about gun owners and human rights organizations like the NRA. She was fired precisely because she detailed the bias of her editors.

Only 7 percent of journalists describe themselves as republican or conservative. We should not expect the liberal news organizations like the Saint Louis Post Dispatch, New York Times, Huffington post and Buzzfeed to support our opinions. We should not expect fair reporting. We should expect new media outlets to fill the information void left as these former news organizations unveil their propaganda.

Comment- Breitbart News didn’t exist 10 years ago. Today they are the leading media outlet with more facebook and twitter reposts than the large liberal papers.

Comment- Colion Noir didn’t make videos ten years ago. Stacy Washington didn’t have her own radio show ten years ago. Dana Loesch had just started her blog at that point. The only radio show that supported gun owners was Gun Talk. Armed American Radio and Lock and Load Radio wouldn’t start for a few years. The media universe is changing, and the old style outlets don’t like it.

Comment- We didn’t have podcasts delivered to your phone 10 years ago. Stacy still has her blog and her radio show “Stacy on the Right”. I wonder who will pick up and syndicate her columns.

California Assemblyman Kevin McCarty is pushing legislation to take away school administrators’ power to allow teachers with a Carry Concealed Weapon license (CCW) to be armed in classrooms for self-defense. McCarty’s bill is snaking its way through the legislative process. Two years ago, California passed a bill saying a concealed carry permit holder could not carry on any school campus unless they had the authorization of the school administrator. Well, out of the one thousand school districts in California, five of them decided to allow concealed permit holders to carry on their campuses. That upset the liberal california legislature and their liberal anti-gun donors. Assemblyman McCarty wants to take away the authority of local school boards to allow CCW holders to carry on their campuses. Being a state law, there is no ability to sue the state when your child is attacked in public school.

Comment- I’m not sure if this new law would apply to private schools in California.

Rob- You might remember the five year old girl who picked up a stick and was playing with it in her school in North Carolina. Her name is Caitlin. She and another group of girls were playing “kings and queens” and Caitlin was pretending that she was guarding the palace with a gun. Her father is a soldier in the US army. Caitlin was suspended from kindergarten because of the school’s “zero-tolerance” policy. Caitlin is now home schooled..because her parents have a zero-tolerance policy of their own. I know that many people home school in California.

Gun Quotes- The world is filled with violence. Because criminals carry guns, we decent law-abiding citizens should also have guns. Otherwise they will win and the decent people will lose. James Earl Jones

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guests Laura Carno and Sean Maloney.

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3- Interview 1- Laura Carno, FASTER training in Colorado

School will be out for the summer recess in a few weeks. Some Colorado teachers will be taking some continuing education in armed defense and medical first response. Some Colorado school districts already had armed staff for years now. Starting this summer, they will also have world class defensive training that was developed in Ohio in the FASTER program. Coloradans for civil liberties is bringing that training to their state. To tell us about that, we we have Laura Carno with us.

Colorado Sheriffs can certify teachers. Do you have some sheriff’s representatives auditing the courses?

Press release from Coloradans for Civil Liberties

When you drop your kids off for school in the morning, or wave goodbye to them at the bus stop, do you ever say a little prayer for their safety? Ask yourself this: Are your kids as safe as they can possibly be at school, or do you just pretend they are to get through the day?

Some parents can say, “Yes! My kids are safe!” because they know that trained medical and armed first responders are ready to protect their children in school. But, not every parent can say that.

Last year, I attended training for these armed first responders in Ohio. It’s called FASTER training which stands for Faculty / Administrator Safety Training and Emergency Response. Essentially, it is training for school staff who volunteer to put their bodies between bullets and your kids — not their own kids— other people’s kids. Ohio has trained almost 900 people over the past 5 years. These 900 school staff members are nothing short of heroes in my book.

When I got back from FASTER training in Ohio, I vowed to bring this life-saving training to Colorado. Colorado kids deserve the same level of protection as Ohio’s kids!

I wrote an article about how the experience changed my life. Please read the whole thing.

FASTER training is for school staff who already have their Concealed Handgun Permit (CHP), and who have the permission of their school or charter board, or are on their way to having permission. We can also help school and charter boards with the process of granting permission.

I’m not asking for money, I’m asking for your help to save our children by identifying Colorado school staff members — those who have what it takes to volunteer to be those trained medical and armed first responders in their schools.

Now that we have our first class dates set in June, we want to make sure that first class is filled to capacity, and that we have waiting lists for our next classes.

Whether you are inside or outside of Colorado, do you know people in Colorado who are:

School staff members – teachers, administrators, janitors, etc. who would volunteer to save your children’s lives

School Board and Charter Board members – they are legally able to approve armed first responders in their schools.

School Board and Charter Board members who have already approved school staff members – this life-saving training is for their staff too.

Parents of children in Colorado schools – parents should demand that their kids are as safe as possible in schools, by being protected by FASTER trained school personnel.

Send this email to them. Ask them to read the article I wrote late year. Then ask them to go to FasterColorado.com and send me an email at CO2ALiberties@gmail.com. I want to hear from them.

The tuition is $1,000 for a 3-day class for those schools and districts who have the training budget for a class like FASTER. We also have scholarships available. We never want anyone to miss out on FASTER training due to the budget constraints of their school or district.

One thing we know about school shootings is that they will happen again. If it does happen at your school, will you be prepared?

4- Interview 2

Paloma Capanna- Do you give up your rights when you own a gun?

Defending gun owners from breach of medical information and release of information kept on federal forms we’re required to submit when we buy a gun.

Decision from the District Ct can be found here. The case is now on appeal to the 2nd Circuit Ct of Appeals.

5- DGUs (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

Concealed Carrier stops possible Mass Shooting

On a recent Thursday evening, Cesar Perez was busy doing his job as the manager of the Zona Caliente Sports Bar and Grill in Arlington Texas. He thought it was going to be a normal Thursday night. At about 6 PM, all that changed. James Jones walked into the bar and started yelling incoherently. Perez tried to calm the man down.

Meanwhile, a customer, who was also a concealed carrier, was sitting at the bar with this wife. He was able to see or hear the disturbance between Perez and Jones going on. During the course of their “argument” Jones pulled out a handgun and shot Perez. Perez died at the scene. The customer told his wife to get down on the ground and pulled his concealed gun. He fired one shot, striking Jones in the back. Jones thought the shot came from the front door and returned fire. Luckily he did not shoot anyone else. Jones also died at the scene.

Police found a second fully loaded semi-automatic on Jones and two knives. The second firearm had the serial number filed off. While Jones will never tell them what his intent was, he was certainly ready to shoot more than just Perez.

Without the quick and decisive action of the Good Samaritan concealed carrier, more Jones could have taken the life of more patrons.

Since Zona Caliente makes the majority of its revenue from food, concealed carry was permitted and the Good Guy with a gun will not be facing any charges.

The only thing that defeats a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. This good guy kept his situational awareness and knew that he was possibly the only person standing between Jones’ one victim becoming a major news story. He got his loved one to a safe place and delivered 1 well placed shot which ended the situation.

Rob-

Two Drive By Shooters Dead, 1 Intended Victim Untouched

Last weekend in North Houston, a homeowner was standing outside his home at 2:15 AM. Three men in a Nissan sedan drove by with the intention of shooting him. Unlucky for them was the fact that he possesses a concealed handgun license. He returned fire. The car crashed into another vehicle and the three men got out and continued the fight.

The homeowner proved to be a better shot than the three. After 40 shots fired, the three were all suffering from gunshot wounds and the homeowner was unharmed. One was pronounced dead at the scene, one tried to flee but was apprehended and died at the hospital and the third was taken into custody at the scene and was being treated from his wounds.

The homeowner was determined to have acted in self defense. Investigators had been to the same house the day before for a report of attempted arson.

There are questions which remain about this incident. Why was this the second happening at this address in a couple of days?

Rob- This being Houston, the third guy will be out of jail and back on the street in a week.

Rachel- no permit was necessary

Rob- low-light and shooting at moving targets made this a tough encounter.

Rob- confidence.

Domino’s Pizza Driver gets in trouble

It looks like Texas has been busy with DGU’s for the last week or so. For this story, we stay in Texas and move back up to the Dallas area.

Domino’s Pizza driver, David Gerber, has had trouble coming at him on multiple occasions over the last week. On May 6, he was given a deliver to make in Mesquite Texas. It turned out the delivery was to a vacant house and also part of an ambush robbery. Two individuals confronted Gerber and attempted to rob him. One of the young thugs was armed with a handgun and fired at Gerber. He was also armed and fired back at his assailants.

The two suspects then fled. One 16 year old was found a short distance away with a gunshot wound. He later expired from that injury. His accomplice, also 16, was found and placed under arrest for aggravated robbery.

It was originally reported that Gerber did not have a handgun license which could have resulted in a charge of unlawfully carrying a weapon but later that was changed to the fact that he did have a concealed carry permit for the State of Arizona which is recognized by Texas.

Domino’s has suspended Gerber pending the investigation into the shooting. Mesquite Police have referred the matter to the Dallas County grand jury to determine if charges are warranted.

This type of ambush robbery has to be a constant worry of any delivery driver and in particular those like pizza drivers who deal in cash. We have reported that some companies such as Uber have a no guns policy. It appears that Domino’s does not have such a policy and the only thing standing in the way of this driver getting his job back is the grand jury determining this was a good shoot.

Paul –

We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

A friend and I were going back and forth about which device would be best for home defense.

He says laser, I say a tac light. I’m not sure how much training he has had but I have a few classes under my belt. One of the things one of my instructors said was that with a light you can light up the threat with a quick on off or strobe method to blind them. Move, then yell your commands. My friend just says why do all that when I can just put my laser on them. Rolling my eyes, his comments make me think he lacks training. Anyway I’d love to know what’s you guys opinion. Keep up the good work. #Norecipes

Jp

Tac light vs Laser part 2. I forgot to mention that my instructor is retired SWAT. So I’d listen to him before taking advice from My know it all friend Barney Fife.

Rob

Paul – Combination light/laser

Question

Are there any plans to get POGO made on a patch? That would be cool to have on a range bag.

How bout that low turn out at the NRAAM by Mom’s demand action? I love it when Bloomberg bleeds green, what a waste. Lol

You would think someone with his net worth would have better things to do then harassing law abiding citizens. Until next time

JP

Rob- the demanding momies were flying in their supporters to the NRA AM.

John – Patch – maybe;

Rachel- so, JP, if you want that POGO patch, just get all the current PSP patches sold quickly!

JOHN – Text message #2

Hey guys this is kris from Nashville in episode 406 y’all were talking about how you keep your guns while you sleep. My wife and I do not have kids so I keep mine in a Safariland ALS holster on a police duty belt with double mag pouch and a Surefire flashlight. What do y’all think about this?

Rob-

ROB- Email #1

Alan of Henryetta, Oklahoma wrote in.

Dear Polite Society Folks,

In episode 407, Rob Morse mentioned that he had finished reading Dustin Solomon’s book, Building Shooters. I would be interested in hearing how he has changed his training and/or teaching methods.

I am not a professional firearms instructor. If I were, and implemented the principles in the book to make sure my students actually learned something, I would quit and find another job. It would be impossible to make a living following an actual brain-based learning curriculum. Fortunately, I only teach individuals or very small groups from time to time. Since I and my students are not on a strict time table, I would limit the amount of material covered and limit instruction time to one hour, three times a week and follow the model Solomon lays out.

One of the most important training concepts mentioned in the book is that of interleaved or chaotic training. Some training programs use some of these principles. I took Rob Pincus’ Combat Focused Shooting course a few years ago. His figure 8 drill comes close, but there are still a lot of limitations on a live fire range.

Training by myself, or with a partner in my own outside space using the SIRT pistol has a lot of advantages such as freedom of movement and different light levels. These are only a couple of things that I do, some previously known, some new and some reinforced from the material in the book.

Your turn,

Alan

Rob-

Hi, Alan.

Thank you for writing in. You are right. Our current style of firearms training is designed to make money for the instructor, not to teach the student. We charge more for a 10 hour course than for a one hour course. In fact, the student doesn’t learn much more from the longer course. As students, we may walk away inspired, but not with new skills.

I went back and proved it to myself. I’ve attended classes where I wrote down the material they covered. I didn’t have those skills. I might develop them through self-study, but the course did not teach them to me. As an instructor, I’ve failed my students when the majority of them can’t apply the class material I present. It isn’t their fault. It is mine. Given the way I’m teaching, selling a defective product. That was the core of what I took away from Solomon’s book.

Let me bring new listeners up to speed. Dustin Solomon’s conclusion is that we can only learn so much at a time. Instructors in other fields recognized this a long time ago. Think about the apprentice system where the student receives a few minutes of instruction every day. Also consider the music teacher model and the local self-defense dojo model where the students get a weekly lesson. A music teacher shows you what to do, but you have to practice at home to learn the skills. We can do that with firearms instruction, and I find the change inspiring.

I looked at the skills we need for self-defense, and I broke them down into the categories we can learn at the same time. That means we can teach all the information, but not at the same time. It turns out we can learn fine motor skills AND gross motor skills in the same lesson. What we can’t do is learn a bunch of fine motor skills at the same time because the memories compete and interfere. For example, if I try to teach grip, trigger manipulation, and sight alignment in the same lesson, then I’m leaving it up to the student as to which skill, if any, the student actually learns. That could be why we have to correct a student’s grip lesson after lesson.

Here is the good news. I can teach grip and stance at the same time, since one is a fine motor skill and the other is a gross motor skill involving the lower body. Planned instruction becomes a Chinese menu selection. Take one fine motor skill from column A, one gross motor from column B, and one self-defense concept from column C.

As Allen said in a personal e-mail, the two day and four day classes are designed so institutional organizations can say their staff was (quote) trained (close quote.)

Rachel- I am so glad I have intelligent, articulate friends like you, Rob. It frustrates me that I can’t always make sure students are able to effectively apply instruction from an intensive course. I wish I could teach firearms like I teach music: weekly private lessons, with private practice mandated in between. I hope one day I will. I look forward to continuing conversations with you, Rob.

Rob- I know you like to teach. I wonder when you’ll start your own firearms instruction business.

Rob- I wrote a three part series on how our right to bear arms is infringed every day. After hearing Donald J. Trump speak at the NRA, I wanted him to do more. I wrote another article called “Talk is Cheap, President Trump” I listed the things the President could do to protect our rights, actions that don’t depend on congressional approval. That and more is posted at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today. So for Charlie Foxtrot, Jae, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition AND Eye on the Target Radio recorded on Monday, May the 1st 2017, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Gail Pepin about infiltrating a Moms Demand Action event in Atlanta.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the just wrapped up NRA Annual Meeting

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we’ll also talk about the A Girl and a Gun training in Burnet, Texas.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s we talk about a 7-11 that exercised their second amendment rights .. so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

Rob : and hang on!

Paul: episode 408 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Paul: But wait. This episode is a little different. We’re here with Rob and Amanda of the Eye on the Target radio program and we’re broadcasting live on their show as we record.

Amanda: Hi, Paul – Rachel, great to “see” you again. We will be talking about Conference, convention – or annual meeting as they call it and the movies.

Rob Campbell, Hi to the entire Polite society co-hosts and their audience and ours.

We are so glad to be doing a simulcast – if you will. Or a Simul-Podcast… Stay tuned for 3 hours of fun

Show intro music.

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rob Morse- Annual meeting. Usual suspects and some unusual. Met some Breitbart executives who were talking with AWR hawkins. I also got to talk with Marcus Weldon, but we never the COO and CTO of breitbart news. Talked to the president of Springfield and the staff at Rock River.

John – The NRA Annual Meeting was great. I learned a ton at the Law Seminar, met a lot of people we’ve had on the podcast for the first time in person, and got to hang with some really cool people. The NRA was really promoting their Carry-Guard program after disinviting USCCA and 2nd Call Defense. Against that backdrop, I renewed my membership in Armed Citizens Legal Defense Fund. I wanted to be a person and not a number. Gila and Marty Hayes see me and know me by name. The other controversy going on involved Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms who may have thrown small Illinois dealers under the bus by going neutral on the bill that adds state regulation on top of ATF regulation. Finally, while it didn’t feel like it, the attendance numbers put Atlanta in 2nd position behind Houston in terms of attendees with approximately 81,000.

Rachel

Girl & A Gun conference – taught with David

New holster

Gary

Paul/Susan New shooters day yesterday. Breaking in new AR

Rob Campbell Amanda and I were also at the NRA Annual Meeting, and I looked at all the guns, Have to say not much new. But there was one. Gilboa Snake – by Gilboa USA.com and its a twin barreled AR.

Amanda I was at NRA too. But have to say, that while Rob is looking at guns, and rifling and all that stuff, I was talking to people.

(Saturday, February 3, 2018) Law of Self Defense LEVEL 1 Class: South Dakota

(Saturday, February 4, 2018) Law of Self Defense LEVEL 2 Class: South Dakota

Amanda – Rachel, let’s share with folks what we were all doing in Texas a week or two ago. The annual AGAG conference. Rachel – we were in your home state. This was my first year doing it. Was really happy to be joining 57 other noteworthy instructors including yourself. But I have to say that I was not prepared for the weather swing –

Rob Campbell – Yeah, that weather was 90 the first day, 50 the second day 70 the third. Kinda like Papa bear, Mama bear and baby bear. But it was great and we are coming back – if they invite us – for next year. Rachel – how and when did you get involved in this? And tell us what you taught and your experiences with the 390 gals that were on the Ranch for the 3 days.

Rachelle

And around in a conversation that tosses from person to person till 7:30 commercial break… if anyone wants in, toss their name here.

Amanda – Live read commercial for Urban Moxy.

TIME

7:30

Amanda- Let us tell you about our crazy month of April. We were in a Movie filmed in Cleveland-

Rob Campbell – telling them about being extras in the movie. (then toss it to someone to start

Open conversation about guns used in movies)

Gary-

the realities and the falsehoods. The truth about guns in the movies- bling rules

Rob-

Paul – I want to talk about the Amazon original Bosch. GREAT gun handling and realistic attitudes about guns.

7:45

NRA convention- sights, sightings and people. Who went, who’s sorry they missed it. Which ones have you all attended and what was the most memorable part.

Rob Campbell- these events have changed over the years. We have been to it for years. Think Dallas may be my first one, remember Phoenix specifically and they had many more off campus events. Phoenix set up a tour of Dillon Precision. Tell about it a bit.

Amanda – As I said – these, for me are about the people. This year hit a milestone – had my picture taken with Wayne LaPierre, and again with lt col. And US House of representatives Allen West. Even if I did have bad hair – but that’s another story.

Talked to the president of Springfield and the staff at Rock River. The other controversy going on involved Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms who may have thrown small Illinois dealers under the bus by going neutral on the bill that adds state regulation on top of ATF regulation.

Finally, while it didn’t feel like it, the attendance numbers put Atlanta in 2nd position behind Houston in terms of attendees with approximately 81,000.

8:00.01 or anytime soon after (our news kicks directly at the hour and is available)

Gun proponents in Illinois say the case of a recent Black college student who was arrested in Chicago is the reason why there needs to be a national gun law. Jamaal Jackson was arrested last month in the Grand Crossing community after he and the mother of his child got involved in a loud verbal argument and police were called. When police entered the private residence they searched Jackson and found a gun, which he legally bought and can have in Alabama. But because he took the gun from his vehicle and into a private home earlier that day, he needs a Firearm Owner’s Identification Card from Illinois to remove it from the vehicle, according to Illinois law. But he is ineligible to get a FOID card because he is not an Illinois resident, which puts citizens from another state in a trick bag when they visit Illinois and want to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights. Jackson, who was born and raised in Chicago, lives in Selma, Alabama where he is a junior business administration major at Selma University. He has been charged with a Class 4 felony of aggravated unlawful use of a weapon, something his father fears can ruin his life.

Rob- Police advise us to bring our guns indoors.

Rachel- It should be (and is) against the law to cause harm to another.

Rob- the goal is to make honest gun owners into criminals, not to stop criminals from getting guns.

Rob- The real goal of gun control

The purpose of gun control in Nazi Germany was to subdue the populace. Unarmed civilians are of little concern to heavily armed government police and military forces. A similar gun grab is being perpetrated in present day Venezuela.

Of course, Interior Minister Nestor Reverol gave good justification for the confiscation. He stated, “We are going to bring disarmament and peace.” Who could argue with that? The country’s murder rate was 73 per 100,000 before the ban. The murder rate in the US is somewhere around 5 per 100,000. That includes Chicago! However, after the guns were taken from the people of Venezuela, the murder rate skyrocketed to nearly 92 per 100,000.

President Nicolas Maduro is not content, though. He knows the country with the richest oil reserves on the planet is failing. He knows the citizens are fed up with the deplorable living conditions. So, what would any self-respecting totalitarian do next? Arm his supporters, of course! Serfs armed with torches and pitchforks are of little concern to well-armed militia.

This news comes on the anniversary of the April 1775 Battles of Lexington and Concord. If the British Crown had been successful in their gun confiscation, American colonists would not have had the means to separate from Britain. There would have been no “shot hear around the world.”

If you believe gun control advocates are truly concerned about safety, just watch what happens in Venezuela. An unarmed society is an impolite society.

Gary-

Rob- Rachel, you talk about this in appleseed, don’t you.

Rob Campbell-

Amanda- the zoo

Rachel- Changes in the Health administration

The previous administration appointed Vivek Murthy as the Surgeon General with the backing of the Senate in 2014. Last week, both sides of the divided Nation remember Murthy’s headlining label, “Gun Violence is a health threat to the American people” when Murthy was asked to step aside. Social media didn’t waste time announcing Murthy would not be finishing the remaining quarter of the appointed term. One smooth transition in a presidential term deserves another. It is assumed President Trump is continuing to quickly replace Obama appointees with fresh blood, leaving vacancies until filled. Rear Admiral Sylvia Trent-Adams, a nurse officer, will serve as acting surgeon general and leader of the U.S. Public Health Service Commissioned Corps. The Nation awaits the Senate’s confirmation for the replacement which will be nominated by the Trump administration.

A recent article in Forbes magazine points to another instance of discriminatory rulings in modern American jurisprudence. Contributing columnist George Leef’s article centers around the state’s “symbolic” law regarding “gun free school zones.” Mr. Leef is correct to point out that such laws do “nothing to stop a determined killer.”

The original legislation allowed retired law enforcement and concealed permit holders to carry on campus. However, in 2015 the anti-gunners were able to pass a measure eliminating the exception for permit holders. Retired law enforcement individuals, including game wardens, are still allowed to carry in schools.

Enter Dr. Ulises Garcia. He obtained his concealed weapons permit subsequent to receiving threats from former patients. Thus, Dr. Garcia has been deprived of his rights and placing himself at risk while attending school events with his children.

He joined with other plaintiffs in a suit seeking relief. The theory of the case was that this law violates the Fourth Amendment’s equal protection clause by treating two classes of citizens differently.

In her ruling, District Judge Beverly O’Connell summarily dismissed this argument with what can only be described as reckless disregard of the law. She stated, “The legislative history of the Act here does not indicate that the California Legislature was trying to prejudice civilian firearm owners when it retained the Retired Peace Officers Exemption absent evidence of explicit legislative intent…” Do you believe Jim Crow laws exhibited “explicit legislative intent?”

Paul- I read recently that President trump is thinking of breaking up the 9th circuit. I wonder if this will make it to the Supremes before that happens

Rob- We don’t have lobbyists who make large political contributions. Law enforcement and corrections officers do.

Gary-

Constitutional Carry in Texas – update

The saga continues, with Texas liberty activists pushing for constitutional carry. We believe, anyone who owns a handgun should be able to carry it. Apparently that does not please the King – Chairman Phil King, that is. Let’s quickly review the episodes that have already played out this session: (1) 375 filed – if you own it, you carry it. (2) 1911 filed – if you’re eligible to apply for a license, you may carry without a license. Read more below:

The current version of 1911 is currently in Calendars committee and contains, among other problems, a section that could allow law enforcement to stop and ID someone merely for carrying a handgun. Meanwhile, 375, a solid bill, never has made it out of the Calendars Committee. The blame goes to Chairman Phil King.

Gun Quotes- Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. William Pitt (the Younger)

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Gail Pepin).

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Greenville Domestic Abuser gets shot in leg

On a recent Friday, a Greenville, North Carolina woman was in an argument with her ex-boyfriend. The fight got physical and was carried into a neighbor’s yard. The neighbor attempted to intervene and the ex-boyfriend, Tyree Barksdale, turned his anger on him. The neighbor retrieved a gun and shot Barksdale in the leg. Police responded to a shots fired 911 call. Barksdale was treated to non-life-threatening injuries while the neighbor and ex-girlfriend were nursing their own minor injuries.

While all ended “well” in this incident, it is not a wise thing to intervene in a domestic fight. While you are trying to break up the fight, it can quickly go from one on one to two on one and you are the one.

Rob – I had a really bad night

A Florida man told a Marion County Florida Sheriff’s Deputy “I had a really bad night last night. I really don’t remember going to her house.” Anthony Tally wanted to apologize to the woman whose door he had kicked in on the previous night.

The previous night the homeowner was awoken by loud banging coming from outside her home. When she turned on the porch light, she saw a man banging on her back door with his fists and screaming “I’m going to get you…” The homeowner retreated out the front door and fled to a neighbor’s house as Tally broke through her back door. Her neighbor grabbed his gun and went to her home. He witnessed Tally near the back porch. He then crashed through the wooden gate. The neighbor fired a shot in the air like any untrained gun owner is wont to do.

The next day, another woman saw two men in the neighborhood and told them of the breakin. She noticed one of the men, Tally, had scratches on his arms. He confessed and vowed to apologize to the victim. She then went to the victim’s home to warn her.

The homeowner’s son was also there and armed. As Tally approached the home, he was detained at gunpoint by the son and then secured by neighbors until the deputies arrived.

Paul – We are not the police!

Rachel- My opinion: a poorly-trained carrier is most likely to fire a warning shot in the air.

Rob- She retreated when she had the opportunity. Good for her.

Gary-

Amanda – i don’t remember, but I confess???

Rachel 7-11 Store Clerk defends store

A 35 year old 7-11 store clerk decided it was time for a smoke break at 3:50 AM. Suddenly, an armed man approached and tried to rob her. But this clerk was also carrying. She pulled her firearm and shot the man in the chest, arm and thigh. During the gun battle, she was also wounded in the leg. The robbery thug was pronounced dead at the hospital and the clerk was treated for her wounds. It was not known whether the clerk had a permission slip to conceal carry. Missouri is a constitutional carry state.

Paul-

Rob- Leg shots are often fatal. They are not “safe”.

Gary- Bakersfield Doctor defends himself

Even in California, you have a right to self-defense. Last week a Bakersfield doctor was assaulted by a man who was not a patient. He claimed he was there to inquire about becoming a patient when he attached the doctor. During the assault, the deceased made comments about money. Dr Edwin Zong was not carrying but had a firearm in a desk drawer. The doctor retrieved his legally registered gun from the drawer and shot his assailant 3 times in the upper torso. The suspect fled but was found in a nearby parking lot.

The doctor was also licensed to carry but was not. The clinic does issue medical marijuana prescriptions which may have prompted the attempted robbery. Officials ruled that this was self-defense and the doctor will not be charged.

Paul – POGO

Amanda – yes

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Huntsville homeowner kills burglar

A Huntsville Texas homeowner arrived at home earlier this month just before 11 PM when he noticed his back door kicked in. He went back to his car and got his handgun. When he returned to his house, he confronted two men. He fired at both men and struck both. One died at the house and the other fled and showed up later at a local hospital. This was ruled self-defense by the local police.

While removing your firearm from its holster while driving is an acceptable thing to do, Pants On Gun On means rearming when you reach your destination when permissible. Was he going to leave his firearm in his car overnight? Shouldn’t the first thing be a call to law enforcement? Is it wise to enter a building when you suspect there could be thugs possibly inside?

What is that protection order for?

It seemed that a Oklahoma woman had enough after a man repeatedly ignored a protection order. Of course a protection order prohibits any contact unless authorized by the court.

A few day after the order was granted, Larry Grammer contacted the woman several times including threatening to come after her and her life if she didn’t provide the title to her car which Grammer had possession. The woman filed a complaint and Grammer denied calling the woman. Recently he was at the woman’s home again. Law enforcement was called and then dispatch broadcast “the woman had a rifle and was standing on the porch, yelling for Larry to leave the house.” Police responded with light and sirens. Grammer backed out of the drive and drove away at a high rate of speed.

Grammer was pulled over and denied that he had been at her house. She said he had come demanding her debit card which was verified by two witnesses. Grammer was arrested and hauled off to the county jail.

Once again, protection orders do not protect those who seek them. You need to take defense and your loved ones into your own control. That may include owning and possibly using a firearm. In this case, the trigger did not have to be pulled.

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Paul- Text message #1

Afternoon PS Crew

My question is if you’re going buy a used gun. How do you know if you’re not buying someone else’s headache?

Thanks

JP

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Rob- Some used gun shops offer a lifetime guarantee. Other than that, you don’t know.

Rachel- get a reputable brand that holds up over time (and has resale value). Also, I try to talk with them and figure out why they’re selling it.

Paul- Major manufacturers will warranty their stuff

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Thanks for mentioning my footwear question. Any publications from female instructors who could help convey the importance of footwear to my girlfriend? -Clayton

Rachel- Yes, I’d be happy to let her know how important and wonderful flip-flops are.

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Carl wrote in about a Pittsburgh story that concerned him.

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I sincerely hope there’s more to this story. The way it is written, it sounds as if the police just shoot you if you are carrying a shotgun.

Rob- Infringing the right to bear arms series, When we consider the many layers of government, it is easy to see that they have a very difficult time leaving any aspect of our lives unregulated. Politicians rationalize their regulation of self-defense by wrapping their restrictions in the cloak of public safety. In fact, that cloak has often been the white sheet of racism directed against minorities and the poor.

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today. So for Charlie Foxtrot, Jae, Dana, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

Amanda?: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday, the 20th of April, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we talk with Kevin Davis about when Police officers should use force, and when you should.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about bad things happening to good people.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s we talk about two criminals that failed in the victim selection process by breaking into a retired Marine’s home …so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul: episode 407 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rob, Live fire at the range, dry fired a couple times at home. I finished Dustin Solomon’s book, “Building Shooters”. I recommend it. It changed how I train and how I teach. I booked a hotel room for a beginning firearms class I’m taking. I have to buy ammo. I met my first legal texas 30.06 sign. I recorded a few episodes of Self-Defense Gun Stories. I got my car ready for a trip.. And that is firearms related because.. NRAAM.

John – Like Rob, we are getting ready to leave for Atlanta for the NRA Annual Meeting. We’ve been checking out the MARTA rail system which, by the way, allows concealed carry on its trains. I’ve been pocket carrying my Ruger LCP II a lot and it is really convenient. I also just bought a shoulder holster from Ken Null which I hope to use with a revolver. I will have to practice with it a good deal before I decide to carry with it. That’s about it for me.

Rob

Gary

Paul/Susan: New AR – patreon

John – Patches – I’ll have them up on the Facebook page. $10 for 1, $18 for 2.

(Saturday, February 3, 2018) Law of Self Defense LEVEL 1 Class: South Dakota

(Saturday, February 4, 2018) Law of Self Defense LEVEL 2 Class: South Dakota

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Bad Things Happen No Matter Where You Are

The world endured a harsh wake-up call this last week to the fact that evil things still happen despite the daily hope that nothing bad will happen as one carries out normal errands like visiting family and grocery shopping. According to his uploaded facebook video, Steve Stephens manipulated his tool to murder 74-year-old Robert Godwin. Excusing himself from personal responsibility, he blamed it on his failed courting relationship with Joy Lane. Instead of sympathy for his pain from his gambling debt and other problems, the nation banded together to bring this killer to justice by actively helping the police with their manhunt. The suspect ended his own life after being cornered by the police chase, leaving the nation to ask, ‘what else could go wrong?’

The question was semi-answered in a state known for its numerous laws limiting citizens, but not convicted criminals from packing illegal weapons and murdering on a whim. Conflicting motives of the once outgoing down to earth and health advocate security guard, Kori Ali “Black Jesus” Muhammad are unclear. He encouraged followers with hashtags such as “#LetBlackPeopleGo” and “black warriors” need to “mount up” against the “white devils”, but he shouted “Allahu Akbar” or “God is great” in Arabic when police tackled the suspect to the ground ending in his arrest. His random shooting spree had been at 4 locations with 3 Caucasian fatalities ranging from 34 -58. Whether it was his religious beliefs, gang affiliations, or hate crimes, he is claiming insanity and the possibility that the justice system is conspiring against him. The nation is torn about guns and personal safety once again.

John – I despise the term “hate crime” – aren’t all crimes based upon a measure of hate? Violence is violence – does the reason really matter?

Rob- John, all crimes are not hate crimes. Some people didn’t get a permit to open a lemonade stand. There is evil in the world. Laws won’t stop these murderers. You will. Thank you for taking care of the people you love.

Peruta to be heard by the Supremes?

An infamous case from the infamous Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals appears to be first in line to find out what newly confirmed Justice Gorsuch is all about. Justice Gorsuch is scheduled to participate in a hearing as to whether the Peruta v. County of San Diego case will be heard by the nation’s highest court.

The Peruta case revolves around California’s “good cause” requirement for law abiding citizens to be issued a carry permit. This case was originally found in Mr. Peruta’s favor by a three judge panel of the Circuit. The infamous Kamala Harris, then California Attorney General, pushed to have the case heard en banc. In June 2016 the court reversed the panel’s ruling, thus supporting the “good cause” requirement and ignoring the precedent set in the Heller case.

The hearing of this case by a Supreme Court that actually follows the Constitution should provide an excellent starting point for a new era of rights restoration. Do you think the District and Circuit courts will listen?

John- This week they refused to hear a case out of New Jersey – Stephens v Jerejian. That case, however, was a pro se or serving as his own attorney. Those kind of cases are dangerous in that the pro se plaintiff doesn’t really know the law and a bad case can then end up as a precedent.

Gary-

Rob- The SCOTUS rules on how court decisions were made, not on the decision. They would remand the case back to the lower court and describe the proper standards of review.

Paul- I read a story today that there are rumors flying about another resignation in SCOTUS

John- That would be Charles Grassley of Iowa. He is chairman of the Senate Judiciary Comm.

John- Justice Kennedy is most senior followed by Clarence Thomas.

Show me how gun free zones help people

Lawmakers in Missouri are busy fighting the good fight. Representative Jered Taylor has sponsored legislation that would eliminate many “gun-free zones” throughout the state. The criminal hunting grounds include child care facilities, universities and churches. Of course, a Kansas City representative, Jon Carpenter seemed shocked. He asked, “Is this for show or is this for real?” Kudos to Rep. Taylor for stating that he wants, “individuals to be able to choose…” He realizes that signs do not stop criminals. Another voice speaking the truth is always helpful.

Missouri Rep. Nick Schroer is sponsoring another bill that would hold those who post “gun-free” signs in their businesses liable for harm suffered by disarmed patrons. As he so eloquently said, “These killers are not stopped by a sign on the front door.”

Way to go Missouri!

Rob- I want to make the politicians show us the plastic signs stop crime.

John- Missouri is a strange state. Conservative state with liberal bookends.

College employees Volunteer to Carry

Approximately 500 public university employees in Tennessee are carrying concealed firearms on college campuses. The current law only allows full-time employees to carry on campus. The University of Tennessee police chief, Troy Lane, is concerned. He is, “unaware of how or why adding part-time employees would make [the] campus safer.” His concern is that they do not know the part-time people as well as the real co-workers. Perhaps he is unaware that these people must be vetted through the permitting system in place for the State.

These people who know better than the rest of us continue to fight any measure that would result in more people being able to defend themselves or others from violent attacks. They grudgingly admit that they are unaware of any problems that have arisen from good people carrying firearms on the State’s campuses.

Rob- Guest lecturers, police chiefs are appointed, not elected.

John- You mean like I used to be. I knew most of the business faculty.

Gun Quotes- An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it . Col Jeff Cooper

Compare and contrast when police officers should use force vs when civilians should.

So, as a graduate question, help our listeners. Suppose your adult daughter hears someone banging on her door in the middle of the night. How should she answer it so she will be safe from an attacker, and from a policeman who is at the wrong house looking for a known criminal.

5- DGUs (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

Best Defense

Paul and Kristin Sadler retired to their bedroom one evening last month and their Doberman pinscher, G, followed. As they fell asleep, G ran out of the room barking. They called him back thinking he was aroused by the neighborhood coyotes. After 15 minutes, G was off again. This time they heard a man saying “Whoa…whoa.”

A home invasion. The Sadlers had prepared after watching an episode of “The Best Defense” on the Outdoor Channel. They had felt safe in the country in rural Iowa but after watching the show, they started discussing their plans on what to happen if someone invaded their home.

Plan A. Paul grabs his firearm, but that plan was thwarted when he left his gun in the kitchen. Fortunately, Kristin Sadler had hers.

Plan B. Kristin called 911 and Paul went for his gun. He snuck into the kitchen, located his gun in the dark and then flicked on the lights.

A “clean-cut young man” stood in the kitchen. Paul pointed his gun at someone for the first time and asked what he was doing. The man was lost, ran out of gas and clearly confused. It took authorities 20 minutes to arrive during which time, Paul continued to hold up his gun and they talked. He said he was a veteran of the recent wars. They never found out if he was armed.

Not every DGU ends with the trigger being pulled. Like we say you need formal training. These DGUs are not formal training but they will give you some ideas for situational awareness. What am I or are we going to do if….. For preventing a home invasion, lock all ground floor doors and windows. Have a plan. Get firearm training for home defense. Consider a safe room. Be aware of a your surroundings. Use these DGUs to consider what can happen and develop a plan in your head on how will you react. Plan for alone and with your family.

(End of Story)

John

Rob- Having a plan kept this intruder alive. The couple trained to recognize a threat.

Paul – Have you practiced holding at gunpoint? It is NOT easy.

Vets like guns

Two career criminals picked the wrong apartment to break into. That apartment belonged to a Marine vet and his 29 year old son. The two thugs were dressed in black, one was holding a 2 foot pipe. Brian Sant, the veteran was still up at 3 AM after working the late shift when the pair kicked in the door. He began to fight with the two which woke up this son. He stepped out of the bedroom and fired at both intruders. Scorecard 1 dead and 1 in serious condition.

The room temperature thug, Danny Tupu had dozens of convictions ranging from misdemeanors to felonies and was wanted on a warrant for his arrest. The police immediately ruled the shooting self-defense but later changed their statement saying that the case had been turned over to homicide investigators.

Sant commented “You got veterans living around in these apartments. You don’t know who has got a gun.” He stated that he did not know the men or why they picked his apartment to invade. After the last eight years of brilliant salesmanship by Mr. Obama, I think the same could be said of any home. With Utah lowering the age to 18, even outside the home, you don’t know who will be armed. (end of story)

Uber Crime Encouragement Zones

Uber has a policy prohibiting drivers and riders from carrying firearms. A 44 year old driver is lucky he ignored that policy. Just after dropping off a passenger in the early morning hours, two men jumped in his car and one point a gun at him and told him to drive. He drove to a location on Bienville in New Orleans where he was ordered out of the car. He got out but fought back and fired on the two, wounding one. The pair left his car and fled the area.

Nine days later, NOPD arrested one suspect in the incident who had gotten a private ride to the hospital where he was treated for a gunshot wound to the chest and also confessed to the botched robbery. When the thug and his “friend” fled, they crossed the Mississippi and his friend dumped him at a gas station and “left him there to die.” His accomplice is still on the loose.

The governments and companies insist on creating crime encouragement zones. Uber has a No Guns policy for both drivers and riders. For the driver, it could mean losing his Uber job. For a passenger it would mean loss of the use of the service. If they were caught. Like was stated in an story from a previous similar incident, “If only criminals obeyed the laws, this rule would make sense.” Sometimes what they don’t know, won’t hurt them. For this driver, ignoring company policy may have saved his life. Uber drivers, or Lyft drivers for that matter, should not forfeit their Second Amendment right to defend themselves when they turn on that available switch in the app. Paul can talk to trucking companies doing the same and has many times. (end of story)

Rob- Some companies ban employees from being armed, yet the company will take out a life insurance policy on the employee, and the company gets paid if the employee dies.

Don’t go in there

While we are on the subject of young thugs, this time in Greenville, NC. In the middle of the afternoon, the homeowner was notified by his alarm system of a break-in. He notified police during his drive home. He found 4 inside when he arrived home. They ran and he fired after them. He did manage to wound one in an arm.

The five 17 and 18 year olds were caught that same day. One spent time in the hospital while the others were spending time in the local jail.

Why did the homeowner enter his house before the police arrived? Why did he fire while they were running away? He didn’t know if they were armed. He could have been walking into an ambush of sort. And if they were running away from him, he was not in any danger. Luckily for him, he is not being charged. (end of story)

Rob- Gary, what is best practice in this situation.

John – He is lucky because under NC law what he did was illegal. A guy in Western NC was recently convicted of manslaughter for shooting at a fleeing robber.

Rob- I saw two signs on the ceiling of a DoJo. They said Breathe, and Keep Working.

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Thank you, Paul. I wrote “Disarming the Victim- The Latest Shots in the Democrat’s War on Women” We had a murderer shoot his wife on a “gun free” campus in “gun free” California. We had a domestic abuse victim murdered while she waited for permission to buy a gun in New Jersey. And we had Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe say that domestic abuse victims should not have guns. If that isn’t a war on women, then I don’t know what is.

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank Kevin Davis and ??for joining us today. So for Charlie Foxtrot, Dana, Jae, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob, until next time

(Paul, stop talking now)

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Andrew Branca about defending yourself legally after you’ve defended yourself physically.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a California man who is forcing the state to give him his guns back

Amanda: I’m Amanda Suffecool and Delta Airlines may be violating Federal law with their new policy on check firearms.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of out DGU’s an Oklahoman with an AR15 defends himself against 3 thugs! .. so climb aboard

Amanda: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul: episode 406 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rob, Bill Frady was moving last Thursday and Friday. He asked us to guest host, and Paul was on the road. I had Cheryl and Dan Todd, Dr. John Edeen and Amanda Suffecool to help me as guest hosts. It is great to have friends who have their own radio show so I can call them to help me.

John – Since we last recorded I have become a NRA Certified Instructor in Basic Pistol. I took the instructor class locally and passed both the written and shooting portions of the class. Dry fire practice really helped me prep for the class. Our class had a range of people ranging from a youth pastor to a retired NY hospital administrator to a metallurgist. We had a total of 9 in the class. There are two groups I hope to teach in Basic Pistol – the newbies who bought firearms in the last couple of years and school teachers. I’d like to run a class for teachers showing them how to safely handle a firearm if a kid should bring one to school.

Rob- Thank you, John. That is a great idea.

Amanda – this week I am practicing quick drawing for a movie audition in cleveland. Who knows if they will pick me, but this is definitely outside of my comfort zone. And in the gun toys area… can I tell you about a new toy that I just got? MantisX

Gary

Paul/Susan very busy few weeks. Arkansas run (BEAUTIFUL Southwestern Missouri) Run to PA and gave away Ice Cream! New classes booked, get to that in the training segment. Local woman murdered – offering free training.

Albert Shaklee, the former budget director of a hospital in the Fresno area sought some psychological help in 2014. We don’t know and it doesn’t matter what for. What matters is that seeking that help caused the FFL holder to come under the attention of Kamala Harris, the California attorney general who wanted to run for Senate. Harris was looking to make some headlines, and she proceeded to do just that.

Harris ordered the raid of Shaklee’s home and then widely publicised the seizure of 209 handguns, 88 shotguns, 234 rifles, 181 standard capacity magazines, 10 high capacity magazines, 100,521 rounds of various ammunition, and 10 firearms registered with the DOJ as “assault weapons” including a .50 caliber rifle.

The problem is that Shaklee had committed no crimes. He wasn’t accused of any crimes. , all he had done was seek mental health help. That mattered nothing to Harris who had a campaign to run.

The raid found the guns in a locked and alarmed safe and all of the weapons that required registration in California were registered. As of last July the district attorney for Fresno county declared the situation resolved and that there would be no charges against Shaklee, yet they kept the guns.

This week some justice has prevailed. A court has ordered the guns be turned over to a FFL so they can be returned to Shaklee. (end of story)

Paul – This is horrifying. A case where gun owners can reasonably fear if they seek mental health care that their rights will be taken from them thereby insuring that they do not seek the care they may need.

John – I read some of the comments on the story. One question asked why anyone needs 500 firearms.

Amanda – was he a FFL himself? Did they take his livelihood? And hold it for more than a year

Guns.com is reporting that Delta Airlines has quietly changed its policy related to passengers who are flying with guns. According to the NBC Affiliate in Fort Lauderdale. This policy was apparently implemented after the shooting that occurred in the Fort Lauderdale airport, after the criminal retrieved his luggage, went to the bathroom to load his firearm and then proceeded to murder five people and injured six others. The airline will now have special tags to alert ground handlers to not put bags carrying weapons on the general carousel.

The baggage will go directly to a baggage service agent who is required to perform an ID check on the passenger who picks up the luggage, sources told NBC 6. The agent must then use zip ties to secure the bag.

Interestingly enough, it appears that Delta may be in violation of federal law by implementing such a policy.

John – The law that this may very well violate is none other than the Brady Bill!

18 U.S. Code § 922 – Unlawful acts section e- …No common or contract carrier shall require or cause any label, tag, or other written notice to be placed on the outside of any package, luggage, or other container … contains a firearm.”

Amanda – Rob and I are flying DELTA to go train at the AG&AG conference in two weeks. What can I expect?

Paul – this is a great identifier for thieves that work for the airlines.

A man’s home is his castle, or so the saying goes. And people should be able to protect their homes – including our most precious asset, our families – against intruders without fear of a lawsuit.

Some Nevada politicians are trying to change that. They think that you should be financially liable for any injuries they sustain when you defend yourself — even in your home.

Does that sound convoluted? It is. And, it’s ridiculous. If someone is invading your home, the last thing you should be thinking about is being sued if you use force to defend yourself or your family.

Senate Bill 254 removes the provision in Nevada law protecting people from civil liability when they justifiably use potentially deadly force against a person who is injured or killed while invading their home.

Rob- I will bet you odds that this bill was sponsored by the Nevada state bar association.

Rob- Both Nevada houses have Democrat majorities.

John – Civil immunity was part of NC’s Castle Doctrine adopted in 2011.

Gun Quotes: Every time something really bad happens, people cry out for safety, and the government answers by taking rights away from good people. Penn Jillette

Andrew- Students get angry at me when I explain the law. Don’t get angry at me if you don’t like the law. Change it.

John – You did great work on Legal Insurrection educating people on the issues in the Trayvon Martin case. What or how can the media be educated on the difference between Stand Your Ground and the Castle Doctrine?

Andrew- The media often needs to inflame more than they want to inform.

Rob- Our listeners are the good guys. Most self-defense claims in court are brought by criminals.

5- DGUs (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

Three Against One AR-15

Early in the morning, five criminals quietly approached a Broken Arrow, Oklahoma home. They had previously burglarized the house’s detached apartment, now they returned to rob the main house, seeking more expensive goods and cash. The three experienced home-invaders were outfitted for their crime; dressed all in black, masked, gloved and armed. One or two waited outside in the car as planned. The team moved silently to the back of the house, then smashed the back glass door and rushed inside. The crash startled Zachary Peters, 23, awake. He ran to investigate and to protect his father, who was also in residence. On the way out of his bedroom, he grabbed a firearm, a wise move. Peters found three black garbed men in the home’s kitchen and faced with those overwhelming odds he feared for his life and fired. Peters then retreated, barricaded himself in his bedroom and called 911. Given the events, he described the situation in a remarkably controlled manner and pleaded for the 911 operator to quickly send medical help for his assailants.

Arriving deputies found all three intruders dead from single gunshot wounds; one was in the driveway, two were still inside the house. The home’s two residents were uninjured. There was no sign of a getaway car.

Up to this point, this was a somewhat unremarkable home-invasion. It was just another example of this type of crime – a crime that is becoming increasingly prevalent. Perhaps it was a bit unusual, as the intrusion was actually thwarted. However, with the successful use of a civilian firearm, there would have been little notice given by the mainstream media. The story would have been largely forgotten; except for one fact: the firearm used was the left’s despised boogieman: the AR-15.

The publicized hand-wringing was immediate and intense. Many media reports questioned the “fairness” of using an AR-15, even in a fight for life. Some fixated on the young age of the criminals, ignoring that two were actually adults and their ages were masked by their garb. Very few reports mentioned the potentially deadly nature of the three-on-one assault. In a sympathetic jailhouse interview, the getaway driver, ironically called “the mastermind”, admitted to the home-invasion and other robberies, but wouldn’t take responsibility for the “murders.” The grandfather of a deceased claimed that his grandson shouldn’t have died for a “bad decision.” The cameras were tightly focused when the grieving man said; “There’s got to be a limit to that law.” Other mass media reports hoped that this case would somehow test the Stand Your Ground laws and all but called for the homeowner’s son’s arrest. Perhaps one of the more over-the-top examples was ABC Good Morning America’s legal analyst, Nancy Grace. In a rambling, error-filled, tour de farce pulled directly from her ample behind, Grace first incorrectly tied Stand Your Ground to the George Zimmerman case, then defamed it as the “Make My Day” law. To her, AR-15s were “considered bad” and “just like a M-16 military rifle… a semi-automatic weapon.” She further smeared Oklahoma’s laws as an homage to Dirty Harry. No less an elite than ABC’s World News Tonight anchor David Muir reported on the Broken Arrow shootings during the GMA segment. From beneath his trademark deeply furrowed, concerned brow, Muir described Grace as one who “always cuts to the chase.” Our listeners are invited to determine for themselves just what Grace was cutting.

In Andrew Branca’s excellent National Review piece; “Mainstream Media Gets ‘Stand Your Ground’ Laws Wrong — Again”, Oklahoma’s Castle Doctrine is identified as the controlling law. The state’s legislation holds that while in their home, it is presumed the defender has a reasonable fear of death or bodily harm and that the intruders intend to commit violence. With those presumptions, a finding of self-defense is very likely. The police are in apparent agreement; while the event is still being investigated, the Wagoner County Sheriff has officially stated that Zachary Peters’ use of force was justified.

There is little to celebrate in this sad affair, except that the victim is alive and will not be victimized a second time by a criminal and civil legal system unjustly concerned with “fairness” and the choice of life-saving equipment. Unfortunately, the mass media will not be as principled. What this tragic event amply illustrates is the media’s obvious biases and proud and willful lack of firearm and self-defense knowledge — as well as their overwhelming desire to inflict their biases on the American public.

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Gary – Also listening to the 911 recording the, victim said one of the criminals was still in the house and talking and she proceeded to tell him to unload the gun.

John – Nancy Grace is a disgrace to the legal profession and has skirted legal ethics more than once.

Rob- Five on One. One of the fleeing criminals died on the driveway as the getaway car drove off without them. The victim had presence of mind to tell the police that the family had dogs and that the dogs were not a threat to the police.

Amanda – 5 on 1, 3 on 1. that was my first thought – they had brass knuckles and Knives, and 3 on 1. Yet they- the anti gun agenda folks were singing – Its not fair.

Paul – I cannot remember who said it, but it’s true… “If you are in a fair fight your tactics suck”

Don’t piss off the old guy

When you have had your home broken into 13 times since last summer, you tend to prepare for the next time. Granted most of the 13 were while you were away. The 79 year old homeowner was asleep in his home when he was jolted awake by loud noises coming from his basement. The 3 home invaders moved to the floor where his bedroom was and entered his bedroom. By the time they entered his room he had armed himself with his .38 revolver. “It was just POW POW POW.” He got off 5 shots. 1 thug was killed and 2 of the thugs ran and the homeowner chased them. There were shots returned in the homeowners direction and he was hit in the ankle with a through and through wound. “I never felt it. I fell twice.”

The shooting was ruled justifiable. Although POGO applies to waking hours, it is wise to have a firearm within easy reach while in bed.(end of story)

Paul – I would like to discuss

Gary –

John – No kids in the house but will be getting a easy-open bedside safe for when my granddaughter comes to visit.

Amanda – even if you have kids – you can get into good a

quality safe in less than 4 seconds.

Rob- I had a young man ask about guns.. But he said he needed a safe before he brought guns into his home. One of my instructors said she is very good at opening her safe.. Because she does it every morning.

Look at Hornady bedside safes, or a simplex lock.

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Listener e-mail discussion

Voicemails… 2 of them!

Amanda – DIck Durbin story. Dc project

Text Message #1 Have to step aside for a second. Please continue

Can we acknowledge how awful it is to wear flip flops in public? Call me overly tactical but those are terribly unprepared for dangerous circumstances. -CB

John – I just think of 9-11 and those who had to evacuate the Twin Towers ran into problems with their office heels.

Text message #2

Just listened to 405 subj: deep conceal. I work a University with a required dress code. I’ve tried the smart carry rig, the belly band rig, but now am sold on the bugbite ankle rig it is amazing. i carry the g-42 8-10 hrs a day no one notices and it is extremely comfortable/thanks for the show

Mr Anonymous asks about deep concealment pocket holsters

Hi, Paul & crew

I sent a brief text while traveling but felt the need to elaborate on the subject of deep carry options.

First, thank you for your labor of love and the service you provide through your podcast. I especially enjoy hearing different perspectives from your round table discussions.

I work at a University and have a uniform provided. I can somewhat relate to the nurse who raised a question about carry options as well as the practice. Rachel’s answer was spot on. Each person must decide based on what they consider an acceptable risk.

I wish to address the secondary issue of how to carry. Over the years I have tried a variety of options which are all compromises but nonetheless, “better to have it and not need it” has been my mantra.

I’ve used the following: Ruger LCP in a nemesis pocket holster; the same in a galco bellyband; a J-frame in a smart carry; but I’ve settled on the G-42 in a new product called the bugbite ankle holster; It is the most comfortable rig I have ever worn. Honestly, after a one day wear/break in period you don’t even know you are wearing it. The first week I committed the mistake of touching the area just to make sure it was there. It feels tight for the first few minutes of putting it on but after that, the material conforms to your calf/ankle and you are on your way.

This is not a quick draw option but it is a comforting one. I just wanted to pass it on for what it’s worth.

Sent in by Mr Anonymous

A Michigander writes in

Hello All –

Just finished listening to Episode 405.

Gary mentioned he was going to have the opportunity to hear Mr. David Keene, one of the authors of the book Shall Not Be Infringed, the New Assaults on Your Second Amendment, speak.

So, Gary… did Mr. Keene speak about the United Nations “Arms Trade Treaty?” I finished the book recently and was surprised how much of the book was dedicated to explaining the Arms Trade Treaty and how the United Nationals works (or doesn’t work). I know the book’s perspective is one-sided considering one of the authors is a former NRA President; nevertheless, the facts are the facts. I think the authors intended the book to be read before the election and in preparation for a Hillary Presidency.

It was really disturbing to hear how an American President (Obama) orchestrated and planned a complete end-around on the 2nd Amendment and the delivery of the American people as in… “We the People” … to the will of the U.N.

So, do you guys think the US Senate would ever ratify a U.N. treaty that would so flagrantly violate the Bill of Rights?

Clearly that was the game plan if Hillary got the Presidency and the far-Left did better in the Senate last November.

I don’t remember…did anybody bring up President Obama’s failure to up hold the Constitution and his Oath of Office when he asked the U.N. to put the Arms Trade Treaty up for approval shortly after he won his second term.

Regards,

Your Faithful Anonymous Michigan Listener

John – Only if they can get 67 votes to ratify the treaty.

Amanda – we want it pulled up to vote and KILL it

A listener offers Rob some advice

Another good podcast. Early on, one gentleman said he was coming to Austin for a MAG20 class. I trust that he is a responsible adult and purchased a round trip ticket. Also, once back home, I encourage him to tell everyone what a wonderful place Lubbock is.

— Matt

Rob- Dear Matt. I’ll drive. They have lanes that lead in, and lanes that lead out of Austin.

Finally Clayton chimes in

Okay so every decent trainer knows the value of dry fire. But I have never heard anyone address the incorrect “muscle memory” neurological pathway training of giving your Glock/Smith and Wesson/etc. a quick slide rack between every single trigger pull. Anybody with a reeeeally high dry to live fire ratio might be affecting their performance under adrenaline. Thoughts?

Rob- I get it. Clayton is …

If you are doing a lot of dry fire, then get a SIRT pistol.

Amanda – my walther does not require it..

Gary-

John – I love my SIRT but I’d also suggest a revolver. If you can smoothly pull the trigger in a double action revolver, it will help all the rest.

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank Andrew Branca for joining us today. So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Dana, Jae, Amanda, Craig, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Amanda: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Tuesday, March 21st, 2017, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we have a personal protection story where a thug brought an ax to a gunfight.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the far side of the gun counter.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and I’m excited to announce a hearing for constitutional carry in Texas!

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGUs we talk about husband and wife teamwork .. so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul: episode 405 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rob- I put out another episode of the Self-Defense Gun Stories podcast just before I went to the Rangemaster Tactical Conference in Little Rock, Arkansas. I got to talk with some friends from Texas while I was there. They are Bob Mayne, Ben Branam, Dr. John Edeen. I talked with Jeff and Robyn Street from Florida. We got to visit with Tom and Toby from the Armed Squirrels Project. I also saw Paul Carlson, Marty Hayes and Massad Ayoob. There were certainly some fascinating lectures and demonstrations. Paul, I saw a very vivid demonstration on the flaws of competition shooting.

I signed up for a MAG20 in Austin, Texas.

John – I have been taking the NRA’s online basic pistol class in preparation for Basic Pistol Instructor Training this coming weekend. As part of that training, you have to take the online portion of Basic Pistol. I will say this – it is comprehensive! In other gun news, we have finally have our Form 4 for a suppressor approved by the ATF. It only took 9 months, 6 days or 279 days from start to finish. I am waiting for the dealer to ship it to me. As to my Form 1’s, I’m guessing 12 months because they were filed in July. Maybe the Hearing Protection Act will be passed in the meantime!

The retail gun game is a hard one. One of the most onerous parts of the job are the obsessive fans of one particular firearm manufacturer. They’re usually easy to identify; look for the slack-jawed, glassy-eyed and drooling. When you spot thatcustomer standing at thatcounter — like that uncle standingunder thatmistletoed doorway — your soul dies just a little – again. But, the customer is holding their turn-ticket like a Key to the Kingdom, and likewise it’s your turn in the barrel, so you mentally sigh, force a smile, unlock the drool-stained showcase with its well-licked glass, and show the customer his preciousssss.

These customers are drawn to the expensive, overly pretty guns, with their shiny finish, mirrored flats, flashy grips and overdone details. They reach out with grasping claws, eager to fondle their object of desire. Many exhibit psychosomatic tics, like repeatedly mouthing the sale tags out-loud, while overemphasizing the words “Ultra”, “Super”, “Pro”, “Raptor” and “Master.” They obsess over the “Custom” monicker of the mass-produced guns. Others violently shake the firearm, manipulate the safety, repeatedly rack the slide, or compulsively drop and reinsert the magazine, as if to demonstrate some mastery over the powerful icon.

And they always want to talk – at length. Many parrot the advertising on the backs of most gun magazines. They’re full of outrageous tales, like 300 yard one hole groups and instantaneous pinkie knockdowns. More often than not, they claim “my gun has never jammed.” This might actually be true, as few of those guns ever leave the sock drawer after purchase. These fan boys are inhabitants of the far left of the Dunning-Kruger Opinion v Knowledge curve, given all the ignorant nonsense they continuously and confidently spout. Excessive rolling of the eyes is a leading health issue of firearm’s salesmen.

What these customers seldom do is buy. They’re gun tourists, firearm pilgrims. They simply want to bask in the awesomeness of their icon. They’re drawn to the worship like primitives to the golden idol. Deep in their desiccated souls, they must realize they are not worthy of their god-iron. So they drool, they sigh, they wish and they use the time of the firearm sales associate very extravagantly.

Don’t be a Kimdiot. Or failing that, poke some good-natured fun at all those Smith and Wesson fanatics while they’re laughing at the Grip-Zone crowd, who are calling the SIGophants snotty for looking down their noses at the Ruger Kids. To plagiarize the 20th Century’s leading philosopher, Rodney King, “Can’t we all get along and hate on Hi-Points?”That was from Charlie Foxtrot, a self admitted Glock fanboy, for the Polite Society Podcast.

Gun Quotes (tonight we have 2 gun quotes.

We don’t own these skills. We lease them. And if we don’t make payments they’ll be repossessed.- Glenn Plunkett

5- DGUs (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended to spark discussion and consideration, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

Rachel- Home Invasion Actually Attempted Murder?

What initially looked like an all too common violent home invasion, is now looking to be something much more sinister. A seventy-seven year old was awakened by a loud crash in the night. A man had used a pickaxe to batter down an outside door. When the intruder destroyed his bedroom door with the pickaxe, the terrified resident resorted to his own weapon, and he fired the gun at the attacker. The Foley, Alabama police arrived at the residence, which also served as the office of Elite Marine, and found Sedrick D. Jemison Jr., 20, dead from a gunshot wound. The case was before a grand jury to examine the claim of self-defense when additional facts came to light. Evidence placed Adam Klifton Bond, 32, and Katlyn Renee White, 20, near the crime scene. The two were arrested, with White being identified as the getaway driver and Bond labeled as the criminal mastermind of the crime. One of them later fingered Corey Deandres Marshall, 19, as being with Jemison during the home invasion. When axeman Jemison was killed, Marshall fled. All three may be charged with Felony Murder for the death of their fellow criminal. Additional charges are possible for other as yet unnamed participants. Marshall has also charged for a strong armed robbery where he and Jemison hit and choked a woman who had given them a ride. They rewarded her kindness by beating her and stealing her wallet. The Baldwin County District Attorney’s Office has not disclosed why the elderly man was targeted for assault and probable murder. The motive may have to do with cash in the Elite Marine office. What is known, it’s very likely the 77-year-old’s use of his firearm saved his life.

The anti-firearm Gun Memorial website “lit a candle” for the deceased thug. No mention was made of the man he was apparently about to kill.

Rob- I bet it was hard for the victim to hear the police after the victim had to shoot the thug several times while shooting inside his bedroom.

John-

Rachel-

Rob- Bringing a Rope to a Home Invasion

A Moncks Corner, South Carolina man was forced to defend his family when a violent criminal broke down his door. Rope found on the dead man points to darker plans in the home invasion. The resident, his wife and two small children were home when the doorbell rang. The wife opened the door to Juanita Marie English, 28, who was allegedly posing as a member of the homeowners association. English asked a few general questions, then waved toward a car. A masked, gloved man emerged armed with a pistol with a green laser. Seeing the approaching deadly threat, the woman alertly slammed and locked the door and screamed out a warning for her husband. The armed man kicked open the door. However, the homeowner Justin Washington, 28, stood in his way. Fortunately for the family, the father had his own gun. Police arrived to find Elijah Akeem White Jr., 30, dead from four gunshot wounds. White had staggered out of the house to the walk where he died. English fled in the car, but was later pulled over for erratic driving. A search found the name badge she had used when posing as the HOA official. She could be charged with first-degree burglary and criminal conspiracy.

Don’t shed too many tears for the deceased thug, he came armed and ready to do violence. He came with rope in his pockets, showing an intent to tie up the residents. What he intended to do to the helpless man, woman and children can only be the stuff of nightmares. The Moncks Corner Chief of Police said; “There was no doubt he was there to do some serious harm to this family.” All this was in line with White’s long record as a career criminal, with convictions for burglary, weapons and drug possession and prison rioting.

“This homeowner had to do what was necessary to protect his family,” according to the Chief. As such, the county prosecutor will not charge the homeowner with any crime. As the coroner said; “In Berkeley County, if you kick someone’s door in and you get shot, as long as I’m coroner, that will be justifiable homicide.”

We will point out several important elements of this episode: First, the wife’s alertness and decisive action in slamming and locking the door, then shouting a warning to her husband. Second, the husband’s immediate and effective response to the sudden threat to his family. Third, the rapid availability of the life-saving firearm. In a household with two small children, we can certainly postulate that he had the gun on his person – he had little time for anything else. That’s the advantage of POGO. Lastly, we must reflect on what might have happened in areas with less rational laws and officials. The Washington family may have suffered grievous injury or worse by being disarmed by laws that didn’t affect the lawless in the slightest.

Paul

Rob- You will not have time think in an emergency. You will have time to execute a plan you prepared ahead of time.

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Email #1 with the subject line “Tacticool vs Grey Man”

John – Hello everyone.

I would first like to say I really enjoy your podcast and I have been learning a lot about many of the Second Amendment struggles across the country from you. Thank you!

I have had a CCW for over nineteen years. I believe every person that decides to carry concealed has made a very personal decision and commitment to do so. I have found peoples philosophy on concealed carry to be just as diverse as people themselves.

I would like to hear the groups thoughts about the pros and cons of TactiCool Vs.Gray Man carry.

If a bad guy sees a Sheep Dog he may rethink his plans and just leave.

But if you blend in with the sheep you have an element of surprise or possible escape and evasion.

Thank you for your thoughts and keep up the good work.

Brett from Oregon

Paul – this has shades of open carry vs concealed. Personally I have developed 2 “styles” around my concealed carry. #1, winter carry. Large jacket (right now my favorite is barn coat) and everything on an OWB holster (Gun/light/spare mag) with 1 spare mag in strong side coat pocket. Summer carry is a large hawaiian shirt with IWB and pants pocket for the flash.

I somewhat disagree with “the sheepdog gets shot first” and honestly think that when we talk criminals they aren’t the sharpest knife in the drawer anyway. If they are paying attention, you will likely be passed over BECAUSE you are paying attention, not because you are open carrying or look like you might be carrying. The criminals that we need to worry about the most are those that are high on a mind altering substance, to get courage up or whatever. Those are the ones who will act without much forethought and are not going to change tactics mid-stream when things around them change. Let’s face it the bad guy is usually looking to make a quick score and escape. The dangerous criminals are the ones with impaired cognition who will keep going after the stop command.

Rachel – um, are those my only choices? Because I take issue with being asked to pick either TactiCool or Gray Man. I carry both open and concealed, depending on what I’m going to be doing, what gun I want, what I’m wearing, and my mood. When I open carry in everyday life, I don’t think anyone would accuse me of looking TactiCool. I don’t dress so that everybody notices the gun first.

When I conceal, I almost try to make a point of looking more “tactical” (I hate that word – let’s say, prepared and ready to defend myself). My intent is not to infiltrate and attack. My goal is to AVOID harm. I feel the best way to do that is to be clear that it is not wise to pick me as a target. I don’t conceal for the element of surprise. I conceal because sometimes that’s the most practical way to carry for certain activities, or sometimes it wouldn’t be professional to have an OC gun.

Story of OC in downtown Austin

Rob- We’ve had several Open Carriers robbed in New Orleans. I don’t OC alone. I also don’t try to look like the police or military.

Gary-

Paul- concealed carry badges. PLEASE DEAR GOD NO!

John- No one would accuse me of looking tacticool – I look ordinary which I what I consider grey man.

Rob-

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Gary – Today I would like to start a group discussion about carrying against an employer’s wishes and deep concealment options for men and women. My question is inspired by meeting a pretty young woman who informed me she was disarmed for the day because she works at a local hospital I won’t name. Here in Minnesota that policy does not hold the force of law, alike any private business that bans carry. (Excluding the scarce few state hospitals)She told me she would be fired and shunned from the medical industry if she were found out because they all communicate with each other. Are there any pro gun doctors or anyone in the medical field out there with some advice? I’m thinking that scrubs easily conceal a belly band and I’d rather be fired than dead if I’m forced to out myself. Thanks in advance!-Clayton again.

Paul – Dr Edeen

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Rachel- Each of us is responsible for our own decisions. It’s just important to think through and understand what decision we’re being made, and what the costs are, and how likely we are to have to pay the costs. (1) Legality (2) Breach of contract (3) Disapproval of employer (4) Threats to my life

Rob- Doctors told me they carry off body in the hospital.

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Paul – Hello Crew,

After listening to Episode 403, I’d like to offer a quick correction about Lefse.

Although sometimes served at the same meal, Lefse and Lutefisk are indeed quite different.

Lutefisk is the nasty, lye soaked fish that no one in their right mind actually eats.

Lefse, on the other hand, is a fairly tasty Norwegian style flat bread, usually a dessert or snack.

This is the first time I’ve emailed, but I have had the pleasure of meeting all of you in person, with the exception of Charlie Foxtrot of course.

I love the podcast, and I’ve listened to almost every show for about the last 3 years.

Thank you to the entire crew for their time each week to provide a quality show.

I’m looking forward to meeting up with everyone again this year at GRPC.

Brent

(Not a Norwegian, but a Minnesotan nonetheless)

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Rachel- Hi,

Do you consider dry fire drills valuable, and if so would you describe the drills that you

find most helpful? Only in the last several months have I heard about this type of practice, and when I follow some of the drills I found on YouTube for trigger control, I don’t feel they are helpful, but I must be missing something. I practice drawing from concealment and clearing malfunctions “dry”, and I know these have helped, but I’m struggling with the trigger drills.

Thank you very much! Love the Podcast.

Regards,

Brian

Joshua, TX

Rob- The dry practice drill that I enjoy is to put a small dot on a post it note. Then I put the post it note right beyond the end of my muzzle. Now you can REALLY see if you shake as you press the trigger. I also hold that position for 30 seconds while giving a really strong squeeze.

I also use a SIRT

Rachel- My favorite dry fire drill is punching out from ready, or from a draw – training myself to follow the sight out to target, get on target quickly. Warning: keep your crush grip. Danger of too much dry fire and no live fire is you lose the grip you need for recoil.

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Rob – Hi,

I had a question about why are items like short barrel rifles and short barrel shotguns regulated by the BATFE? This seems absurd. In Texas, at least, we can buy pistols and rifles, so what’s the big deal over the size in between? Isn’t a SBR just a short rifle, or even just a long pistol? And what causes a pistol with a second vertical grip to be so dangerous that it has to be registered as a Class II weapon? When I asked a friend about an AR pistol he was interested in, he commented that it was just like a pistol, but if you put it up against your shoulder is becomes regulated, what? Sorry, I don’t have much background in the history behind BATFE and these laws, are they for real? I don’t get the logic.

Thank you. I love the podcast, and appreciate the time all of you put into it.

Regards,

Brian

Joshua, Tx

Rachel – it seems absurd because it is absurd. 😛

John – There is no logic. Historically the NFA meant to ban handguns but there was opposition. As I understand it they forgot to take our SBR and SBShotguns.

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today. So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Tuesday, March 7th, 2017, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Greg Hopkins about the death penalty

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Kevin Sona about a new Facebook Group and some things happening with Florida Carry

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and one of our emailers thinks that Rob is all that AND a bag of chips! So climb aboard!

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul: episode 404 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rob- I was on Bill Frady’s Lock and Load Radio program last Friday. We set up that interview as I was on the road from a 10 day road trip. I got to post an article written by Shayna Lopez-Rivas. She was raped on a Florida College campus and she is tired of being disarmed. Republicans, take note. Next week I go to the Rangemaster Tactical Training conference in Little Rock. Just when I finally got a few episodes of self-defense gun stories.

John – I attended the Winston-Salem gun show last weekend and will be working the Grass Roots NC booth this weekend at the Asheville Gun Show. I talked to the volunteers at the GRNC booth in Winston and they were having a very successful show getting new members and email alert signups. Just because we avoided gun-magedon by electing Trump, we will still have to fight hard for our rights. Even with supposedly pro-gun Republicans in charge in Congress and many state legislatures, even they can be obstacles as Paul well knows in South Dakota. I may be taking the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor course in about 3 weeks. Should I?

Rob- What is with your attorney General in North Carolina? Yes, take the basic pistol instructor course.

“Good instructors have a sufficient depth of knowledge, experience, and empathy so as to understand and sympathize with all students who come to them, not just the young, strong, and fit.” – John Farnam

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our Interview with Greg Hopkins

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2- Interview 1 Greg Hopkins Part 1

3- Interview 2 Greg Hopkins Part 2

4- Interview 3 Kevin Sona

5- Interview 4 Judge Phillip Journey

6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

Listener e-mail discussion

Voice mail about tire thumpers

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Text message #1

Bless y’all’s hearts! 😂

I’d like Gary to confirm or deny the magazine capacity limit in Illinois and let us know if that applies to travelers please!

Clayton

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Text Message #2

Hey guys, I just couldn’t sit back and let lefse be slandered as it was, I think it is being confused with something else. Lefse is made from potatoes, flour, cream, butter and sugar, rolled out like a tortilla and cooked on a griddle. Spread with butter and sprinkle with sugar

Absolutely terrific! Lutefisk on the other had deserves every bad word spoken of it! Love the podcast guys, keep up the great work! Bryan from NW Minnesota.

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Email from Clayton

Just wanted to say thank you to Rob for everything he brings to the table. Rob single handedly shuts down 90% of my potential feedback because he thinks almost exactly the way I do and asks almost every question I want asked and reminds everyone of perspectives I would have written in to remind them of. I’m a big fan of the podcast Self Defense Gun Stories. You’re doing a great job. -actual Clayton

Paul: Rob, I think that you owe Clayton $20

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Rob

Email from Bill Clinton (no not really)

Hello Everybody –

Please keep me anonymous, thanks.

Just finished listening to the 400th episode, outstanding episode!! that was very cool, …live radio, Mas, and Gail Pepin outstanding…

Your podcast usually gets me home on my commute and ends as I pull in the drive way.

The episode was a little longer, so I ended up sitting in my car, in the garage, and listened while the show finished up.

Thanks for answering my question on MAG40 ….I will be attending class in October.

So, here’s my topic for discussion or suggestion for your listeners.

I am not a Constitution scholar or lawyer, I am just an ordinary guy, but I generally understand what the Second Amendment is all about.

During the Presidential campaign, Hillary almost convulsed when she was asked, or spoke about the “Heller Decision.”

So, I decided to do something I have never done…. I read the Supreme Court decision…the District of Columbia v Heller.

Wow!! Now I understand why Hillary became so unglued at the very mention of the Heller Decision.

It probably wasn’t the Court’s finding in favor of Heller; DC’s prohibition of the gun registration, and the required rendering of the gun as inoperable for self-defense while in Heller’s home, seemed far reaching.

Justice Scalia took the opportunity to skillfully lay down the legal precedent for others to use.

Justice Scalia articulated the right is afforded to the individual, as in the singular human being….

and the scope of the right as intended by the Founders of the Second Amendment.

The Justice even dissected, with historical reference, what is meant by “bear” when used with “keep and bear arms.”

Ya… there were sentences/paragraphs, I read three and four times that were packed with “legalese” and legal citations which were difficult to understand.

But that shouldn’t preclude anybody, or intimidate anybody from reading the Court’s decision…both sides of the argument.

There are some real “Scalia-gems” in this document that will equip you to rebut the most ardent opponent to the individual right.

I recommend reading Heller for your listeners, if nothing else it is a terrific American history lesson.

Keep up the good work, I love the show

On to Miller and McDonald….

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Gary

A Doctor talks POGO

>From the time I got involved with DRGO and introduced to your podcast by Dr. John Edeen, I have tried to listen as much as possible. Especially since this past GRPC. I get great information from your shows and always enjoy everyone’s point of view.

I want to thank Susan for referrring her primary care physician to DRGO, keep up the good work.

I really love the POGO as a general rule, but as rules go there are always exceptions. Many times when I get up I don’t get dressed right away, (I’m not too much of a minority here am I?). I put on my robe, eat breakfast, read, study, pray etc then get ready, and not much before I’m out the door, I put my pants on. You have had some DGU’s where it sounded like the the person had to “get their gun” and luckily were able to do so. Not a good idea. So I have two ways I keep my gun on at these times even though I don’t actually have my pants on. 1) I wear a Galco under wraps belly band most days so I can put that on under my robe and still be armed. 2) sometimes I simply put my EDC in my robe pocket. I recognize this isn’t very secure or safe so I have been looking for a pocket holster. I think the DeSantis super fly would fit well. Do any of you have any experience with this type of pocket holster? Any other ideas?

Just finished listening to episode 401, btw congrats on the first 400. I have one comment for Michael and the arsenal he likes to carry around. One of you mentioned maybe he should carry a backpack with an AR with a foldable stock. I have another idea, he could carry a murse or backpack with a KelTec sub 2000. I just received one for my birthday and I love it. The greatest part is it folds in half! Making it only 16.25″ long when folded and very quick to unfold and use as a backup in those critical situations where you need one more backup. There is even a version that accepts glock mags which could be interchangeable with the glock he carries.

Thanks for all you do and thanks for mentioning that some of you are already signed up for GRPC this year, I’ll get my registration in today.

Looking forward to seeing all of you at GRPC this year,

Dr. Sean Brodale

From Iowa

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John

Good day PS,

Awesome, Awesome show. A wealth of information and entertaining at the same time.

Just a quick background, I live in the not so great state of Connecticut. Even though we are a “shall” issue state, each town has its own set of rules (no county governments in CT) before you can get your state Pistol Permit. Connecticut does not have a “conceal carry” permit/license because it is an open carry state, even though it’s somewhat discouraged. We also have the ridiculous law of limited capacity magazines (10rd) on top of the “assault weapons ban”. Now there is an attempt to raise the Permit fees on top of everything else. Enough of that – for now.

You, the team, have said to reach out to our representatives – on all levels. Being in a somewhat backward state; we have somewhat backwards representation at ALL levels of government. Seeing most of you have dealing with these types of issues (reciprocity, hearing protection, etc.) in the past; how does one draft a letter telling an uninformed, closed-minded individual that they should vote for the wishes of the constituents? I am not much for being overly polite or have the patients when telling someone that they are there to represent me and the others of their “district”. It’s not their personal soap box. I was wondering if you may have a template/example that can be tweaked to fit the individual, position and issue. (You can place it in the show notes and/or on the website.)

Regards

Chris

Torrington, CT

Rob- Call, one one issue.

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Hi everyone!This one is for Rob, but all information is welcome! Please chime in. My beloved girlfriend has convinced me to move to California with her for nine months during her senior year of college. I currently live in a state with no restrictions on types of firearms we can own. I find myself realizing, I don’t think I own a single gun that California would allow me to bring there! Free American style AR’s, “high capacity” shotgun, pistols without thumb safeties or loaded chamber indicators, “high capacity” pistols.. etc. Perhaps my Henry AR7 survival rifle would be allowed? Yawn! What kind of guns would be best suited for my home defense? I’d like to stay in 9mm but am considering something powerful like 10mm since capacity is ridiculously limited there. I’m assuming I won’t be able to acquire a permit to carry, especially since I won’t live there long enough to be considered a resident. Nine months?Thanks in advance for the advice!Lots of love, Anonymous.

As I mentioned earlier in the show, Shyna was sexually assaulted on campus.. Twice. The republican have not held hearing necessary to advance pro-gun legislation.. Including concealed carry on campus.

I also wrote about carrying on college campus- What College Professors Say and What They Really Do You see, tolerance on campus stops when academics have to be tolerant. Liberal professors don’t like guns, so other people shouldn’t be allowed to have them. The problem isn’t that students with carry permits are drunk on campus. The “gun-free zone” on campus is about school administrators who are drunk on power.

My posts are up at Clash Daily. Ammoland. Slowfacts. That is at slow facts dot wordpress dot com. John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.

We found out late on Friday that the Trump Administration won’t be fighting the District Court win regarding carrying of firearms on Corps of Engineers lakes and campgrounds in Idaho. They filed a petition with the 9th Cir. Ct. of Appeals saying they were looking to codify the ruling in the District Court. They have entered into an agreement to go into mediation while the Army reconsiders the policy in question. The USACE administers about 33% of the waters open to freshwater fishing in the US. This has the potential to be a big regulatory win for the right to self-defense.

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today. So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Paul: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

(after show close) How could we have made this episode better?

(DO NOT READ)Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam. For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else. Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

(DO NOT READ)The Polite Society download app is outon Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box. They are located by our old name, Politics and guns. Hot links are in our show notes.

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Sunday, February 26th, 2017, I’m Paul Lathrop

John: I’m John Richardson, and tonight we will have an interview with Alan Gottlieb of the Second Amendment Foundation

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we’ll also talk with Jeff Knox about the upcoming NRA elections

Paul: And finally we will talk with South Dakota Representative Lynne DiSanto about Constitutional Carry in South Dakota, So climb aboard!

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul: episode 403 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

John – I took off last Friday morning to go to the range. I got to fire my dentist’s Ruger Redhawk .44 Magnum revolver. It was a pussycat with .44 Special and not hard to control in .44 Magnum. I also worked to break in my LCP II. It’s will be a nice little carry gun when it is fully broken in. The NC Wildlife Resources Commission really upgraded the Cold Mountain range and added a full time RSO. They want to add a 25 yard pistol bay. It brings home the point that we need more funding for public ranges. The Target and Marksmanship Training Support Act of 2017 would allow more ammo excise tax money to go this. This is a bipartisan bill, HR. 788, which needs our support. Similar bills in the past two Congresses almost got to the end line. This year it should. Links in the show notes.

Rachel – Wow, this has been a busy week! Constitutional carry is still my priority, and I’m doing all I can to promote HB 375. Texas GOLD, our Gun Owners Lobby Day, is coming up this week. I picked up T-shirts and they look great. I’m really proud that we have 10 gun rights organizations who are participating. We’ve been promised a hearing soon, so be ready to come to Austin on short notice if at all possible. I’ve been giving a LOT of presentations for groups all over town – learn to testify trainings, briefings on all the gun & knife bills, and more. I also recorded a set of videos that is a condensed version of the Learn to Testify training. Check that out on my YouTube channel – be sure to like and subscribe! Other than that, I got to teach a short rifle clinic for the A Girl & A Gun ladies yesterday morning. It was great to smell gunpowder and I miss it when I’m not on the range – so I’m planning a MAG-20 course in May. I was given a seat at the TSRA awards banquet head table so I got to visit with keynote speaker Katie Kieffer. She gave them ideas on how to appeal to millennials. That’s important for them since our ages combined probably equaled the average age in the room.

Just wanted to say on the steel case, yes you can reload it and the laquered stuff doesn’t seem to cause as much wear as bare steel

Mike from the Reloading Podcast

We also got a text from someone who didn’t leave their name

Congratulations on 400 episodes! I enjoy the podcast so much. You keep me up to date on issues in the gun world and entertain as well.

Rachel

Clayton emailed in

Hi all! I am sorry to disappoint you, Gary. But I still don’t know what it’s like to drive through Chicago disarmed. Illinois state law honors my permit from my home state as long as I stay inside my vehicle! I never took off my gun! The only thing I did was down load my magazines from their standard 17 to 15 because I figured Illinois has one of those ridiculous magazine capacity limits as if crime were actually decreased that way.. I learned of the statute that allows non residents to carry inside their vehicle when I had a heated email argument with the state police. I am certified with the USCCA and my material is approved for me to train your residents to get their permit to carry. Yet mine is invalid merely for living outside your borders. I couldn’t possibly be trusted with a gun in your state, right?!Fingers crossed for fifty state reciprocity, I’m giddy when I imagine carrying my guns in tax slave states that previously didn’t allow it. (Looking at you, Commiefornia!) Thanks for calling me out, I enjoy chatting with you all. Have a lovely week and congratulations on your recent episode 400.Sincerely, Clayton. John

Michael wanted to talk a little more about backup guns

Followup to the on-air discussion…

You probably won’t be able to use this, but this video talks about why to carry spare ammo on your gun side (Reid Henrichs of Valor Ridge).

https://youtu.be/Ut68yJ0IGCg

Also, my ankle gun becomes my primary when driving (I commute 2+ hours total per day), so having a spare mag in my cargo pocket leaves it accessible when seated, which can’t be said for the front pocket.

A backup isn’t always just a backup… I like to think of it more as another option, depending on the situation.

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Michael

Paul

Matt wrote in to talk about battery life for optics

The manufacture stated battery life on most slide mounted red dots approaches 2-3 years. But obviously it is suggested you change them every year on a defensive weapon. The trijicon I used at mag 40 was a dual illumination model that is powered by ambient light and tritium. With the half life of tritium being 10 years. That means that after 10 years the brightness with no ambient light will be cut in half. That will have no affect on the ambient light. Meaning the theoretical plinking useful life is unlimited. On paper this sounds fantastic but has some fairly major downsides that would lead me to suggest a battery powered optic due to the level of tint on the lens required to make the dual illumination work. You can see a demonstration of it here. https://youtu.be/MefuHqWVteY

I hope that cleared up any questions you have.

Matt

Rachel

Todd wanted to talk a bit more about National Reciprocity

Hey all, thanks for reading my email last week about revolvers and national reciprocity. To muddy the waters further with regard to CA, the safe handgun roster not only affects sales but also the transfer of handguns into the state. State law requires any individual moving into the state to declare their handguns to DOJ, and of course, submit the required fee. Handguns not currently on the roster are not allowed in the state. Take that back to the national reciprocity law. It’s unclear if “complying with state law” would encompass adherence to the roster as well.

Incidentally, I am a libertarian and more of a “states rights” guy – I think states that want to suck should be allowed to suck, and we would end up with more freedom in more places due to U-Haul than the court system. Unless we move to a national standard for concealed carry (a disaster in my opinion) the only alternative is to allow each state to demand compliance to their state laws while carrying within their borders.

I’m no lawyer, but instead of a “race to the bottom” as the gun control states maintain will occur with national reciprocity, I wonder if we’ll see a “race to lunacy” in the states like CA, MA, and NJ.

Stay safe!

Todd

San DIego

PS I grew up in Nort’ Dakota, so if you ever need to read recipes, I’m ok with lefse, walleye, tater tot hotdish, and Juneberry pie.

John

Chris wants to inflate our egos a bit

Paul,

I must say, it humbled me to listen to your 400th episode. What you and your team have built over the last 5 years is genuinely awe inspiring.

Thank you ALL, both on and off the air (here’s looking at you Charlie Foxtrot) for everything you have done and endured to bring us your knowledge, insight, and wisdom each week. As other listeners have mentioned, I too put the Polite Society Podcast at the top of my list each week. I wait in anticipation of each release and I pause whatever else I may be listening to when your next episodes is published. I enjoy, admire, and even envy the reasoned, intellectual, and principled discourse you share each week. Your dedication and commitment to fighting for one of our many inalienable rights inspires me each week.

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today. So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,

John: Until the next time…

Rachel: stay safe,

Paul: be aware,

John: and we’ll see y’all down the road, bless y’all’s hearts.

(after show close) How could we have made this episode better?

(DO NOT READ)Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam. For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else. Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

(DO NOT READ)The Polite Society download app is outon Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box. They are located by our old name, Politics and guns. Hot links are in our show notes.