cooter did you find the fade to be predictable? as in you know its gonna fade no matter what? i only have a handful of throws on crappy ground so i dont have a good feel for the rival yet. Shoot i have 6 of them it better be good!!!

Yes, I found it very predictable. It was a nice soft fade. If I threw it dead straight it would fade maybe 10 to 15 feet to the left. Very workable. I also agree with most of smarkquart has said about them as well.

I went out since it is warming up here in Michigan and threw both my 173g peach Escape and my 171g blue Escape.

First off, the plastic is very stiff and a bit slippery like others have said in previous posts. I didn't notice it much before because I was throwing with my gloves on in the snow. However, I felt that I was releasing the disc early until I got a hang of the plastic.

For the flight of the disc, I really wanted the disc to fly like my 11x TB's but I think they are a bit shorter then that. The flight is very similar though with a straight HSS and then a short fade at the end. I feel that I would throw it on holes that i would throw the TB at.

Overall, the colors don't change the stiffness of the plastic. Both feel the same.

Finally got a chance to throw my rivals today 50 degrees 5 mph wind. These are a great disc long and straight with good glide. I was throwing them dead straight no hyzer and they maybe had 5' of fall off to the right (LHBH). Threw them into a head wind/ tail wind and it made no difference in the flight. I was throwing them 325' dead straight. Overall a really nice disc to add to my bag.

I got to throw mine as well today. So far so good. I can see it fitting in between my Rivers and PD's which is a spot currently held by my S/C-TD's. I love the flexible grippy pinnacle plastic and hope this will become the blend. The only disc I've ever held with more grip was some finger printy tacky CE. Hats off to the Rico's. Another awesome disc!