Some members here have a soft spot (insert comment here;) for Tebow. Florio wrote about his delivery yesterday and David Hyde did this morning. The bottom line is that his coaches had little regard for his NFL career.

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2. Has Tim Tebow changed his delivery? And what's it say about his coaching at Florida, if anything? ESPN's Adam Schefter writes there's a new-look Tebow that will be unveiled at the Pro Day in March.

"... There are things that I can get a lot better at -- my fundamentals,'' he said in Nashville, where he's being coached by former pro coaches Marc Trestman and Zeke Bratkowski. "I've never been asked to shorten or quicken my release and not have a loop in it. The changes I'm making have gone very well and it's becoming more and more natural to me."

He added: "I want to get better. I want to be around people who will push me. I will do anything to get better. Without hearing the criticism, I would have done it. It's made me more confident, more accurate. And that's not to say I haven't had this type of coaching in the past. I just have had different coaching than this NFL style."

Look, his coaching at Florida won a Heisman and two national titles. But why wasn't his obvious, long delivery changed in four years there?

Tebow is finally changing his mechanicsPosted by Mike Florio on February 22, 2010 9:12 AM ET

As Florida coach Urban Meyer takes his much-hyped leave of absence, we hope that Meyer spends some of his down time reflecting on his biggest failure.

After the Gators won two national championships in three seasons with Tebow at quarterback, Meyer owed a huge debt to Tebow. And Meyer should have spent all of 2009 attempting to repay it.

He didn't.

So Tebow left Gainseville with a release slower than Byron Leftwich in a vat of molasses, and overall football mechanics far uglier than Vince Young's Uncle Rico sidearm release.

It's therefore no surprise that Tebow is in the process of changing his throwing motion, according to Adam Schefter of ESPN. What's surprising is that few are calling out Meyer for not doing anything and everything he could in 2009 to help make Tebow into a more marketable NFL quarterback.

Since Tebow isn't injured, he's using the belated effort to become a pro-style quarterback as an excuse not to throw at the Scouting Combine. The obvious goal for Tebow is to avoid doing more damage to his draft stock -- the obvious response in light of his Senior Bowl-week performance is whether it's possible for any further damage to be done.

Though Tebow seems to be trying hard not to point a finger at Meyer for the quarterback's current predicament, this quote tells us everything we need to know: "I've never been asked to shorten or quicken my release and not have a loop in it."

As the usually-sunny Joe Theismann said three weeks ago, the situation shows that Meyer and his staff have "no clue" as to the process for preparing a quarterback for the NFL. And while some of the Florida fans in the crowd might respond by saying that Urban Meyer's only duty is to prepare players to play college football, look for Nick Saban and every other coach in the SEC to take a DVD of Tebow's throwing motion into the homes of every high-end quarterback recruit for as long as Meyer remains the Florida coach. They'll all be making the case to the kid and his family that, if he hopes to play in the NFL, he'd better not go to Gainseville.

If you don't think that'll eventually impact the performance of Meyer's team, then you simply don't understand how college football actually works.

Meanwhile, Tebow will be left to his own devices to get an education into how pro football actually works. During his four years with Meyer, Tebow apparently learned absolutely nothing.

I have high hopes for him... if anything he's very determined to prove the doubters wrong.

Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:36 am

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When a player has to change his throwing mechanics this late in the game, high hopes will be dashed.

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Rich wrote:

When a player has to change his throwing mechanics this late in the game, high hopes will be dashed.

Ya just never know... I'm not expecting him to come in and be an all-star, but anything is possible.

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IamPZ wrote:

Rich wrote:

When a player has to change his throwing mechanics this late in the game, high hopes will be dashed.

Ya just never know... I'm not expecting him to come in and be an all-star, but anything is possible.

I'll use history as a barometer. Every QB that has played in the system Tebow played in, coupled with every QB that has come out of college and needed serious work with his mechanics has been a flop at the NFL level.

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Rich wrote:

IamPZ wrote:

Rich wrote:

When a player has to change his throwing mechanics this late in the game, high hopes will be dashed.

Ya just never know... I'm not expecting him to come in and be an all-star, but anything is possible.

I'll use history as a barometer. Every QB that has played in the system Tebow played in, coupled with every QB that has come out of college and needed serious work with his mechanics has been a flop at the NFL level.

Well that stinks ... I'll still root for him... hopefully he proves history wrong... but not many do.

Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:19 am

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Would not be surprised if the Phins target him the kid has natural talent a huge heart and excellent work ethic. He will do what he is told and eventually excel at it. I AM NOT PROMOTING HIM AS THE SECOND ROUND PICK. LOL

Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:09 pm

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joeschmoe wrote:

um...?

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um...?

yeah, to hell with tebow

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His gf is giving tha []_[] symbol....and Tebow goes to UF...

Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:01 pm

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Iowafin wrote:

um...?

yeah, to hell with tebow

You're not making any sense.

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His gf is giving tha []_[] symbol....and Tebow goes to UF...

What symbol is that?

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Tebow will do no better than carry a clipboard for most of his career, with spurts of playing time when the starter gets hurt.

His career is over before it even started.

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Rich wrote:

I'll use history as a barometer. Every QB that has played in the system Tebow played in, coupled with every QB that has come out of college and needed serious work with his mechanics has been a flop at the NFL level.

For the life of me I cannot remember a QB ever succeeding after changing his throwing motion. Maybe that's why his Florida coaches didn't make an effort to change his.

Miami University as in the University in Oxford, Ohio? Or University of Miami...as in south Florida.

I don't know why you couldnt just say the "U" Is that how they do it in internet land, or are you making stuff up again.

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I think everyone else got it Iowa.

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I think everyone else got it Iowa.

lol I still don't get it. Is the joke that he is taking a picture with a girl that is flashing the U sign? Is she a Miami alum, or trying to be funny? Did she mean to be making that sign? There's so many questions...

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Rich wrote:

IamPZ wrote:

Rich wrote:

When a player has to change his throwing mechanics this late in the game, high hopes will be dashed.

Ya just never know... I'm not expecting him to come in and be an all-star, but anything is possible.

I'll use history as a barometer. Every QB that has played in the system Tebow played in, coupled with every QB that has come out of college and needed serious work with his mechanics has been a flop at the NFL level.

his chances of success are low with those two strikes. His only hope is a team drafts him and implements the spread offense. I know some teams were looking into the spread.

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Iowafin wrote:

Phin wrote:

I think everyone else got it Iowa.

lol I still don't get it. Is the joke that he is taking a picture with a girl that is flashing the U sign? Is she a Miami alum, or trying to be funny? Did she mean to be making that sign? There's so many questions...

UF and UM have a strong rivalry, to the point that UF has been scared to play UM for a few years now. The girl (a UM alum) asked tebow to take a picture with her, and she threw up the U right before it was snapped. Tebow is a pansy. Its all about the U.

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joeschmoe wrote:

Iowafin wrote:

Phin wrote:

I think everyone else got it Iowa.

lol I still don't get it. Is the joke that he is taking a picture with a girl that is flashing the U sign? Is she a Miami alum, or trying to be funny? Did she mean to be making that sign? There's so many questions...

UF and UM have a strong rivalry, to the point that UF has been scared to play UM for a few years now. The girl (a UM alum) asked tebow to take a picture with her, and she threw up the U right before it was snapped. Tebow is a pansy. Its all about the U.

yeah I'm sure UF is really scared to play a washed up Miami Hurricanes team... please... UF trumps "the U"

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yeah I'm sure UF is really scared to play a washed up Miami Hurricanes team... please... UF trumps "the U"

Actually, they are. UM is always trying to get the Gators on the schedule and the Gators are always trying to avoid it.

Maybe at this very point when UF is on top and UM is rebuilding (not washed up as you incorrectly point out) they wouldn't be scared. But historically, UF tries to avoid UM.

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yeah I'm sure UF is really scared to play a washed up Miami Hurricanes team... please... UF trumps "the U"

Careful, PZ. There are probably more 'Canes fans on this forum than all the other teams combine;)

Here's a little more Tebow info. I am not sure if I agree with Wyche, but I respect his opinion when it comes to an NFL offense.

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Roundup: Tim Tebow has a believer in Sam Wyche

Tim Tebow may have a lot of naysayers when it comes to his mechanics and ability to play quarterback in the NFL. But former Bengals coach Sam Wyche is not one of them, needing only two days with Tebow last month to become a believer, according to Bengals.com.

Wyche, along with former long-time NFL offensive coordinator Zeke Bratkowski (father of current Bengals offensive coordinator Bob Bratkowski), is charged with prepping Tebow for his pro day workout, when he’s supposed to unveil his new throwing motion. But Wyche, whose first year as 49ers QB coach coincided with Joe Montana’s rookie year in 1979, doesn’t think much needs to be done:

Wyche, frankly, didn’t want to alter that much despite the crush of doomsayers that say Tebow can’t make it because of his elongated throwing motion and choppy footwork after a horrific week at the Senior Bowl.

“If you don’t think he can line up at quarterback in the NFL,” Wyche said Monday from his South Carolina home, “then you don’t know about lining up in the NFL. The last thing I told him when I left was not to change how accurate he is and his touch. The two things you have to have in a quarterback are accuracy and intelligence. If you don’t, you’re going to be finding another one pretty quickly. And (Tebow) is as smart as a whip.”

yeah I'm sure UF is really scared to play a washed up Miami Hurricanes team... please... UF trumps "the U"

Actually, they are. UM is always trying to get the Gators on the schedule and the Gators are always trying to avoid it.

Maybe at this very point when UF is on top and UM is rebuilding (not washed up as you incorrectly point out) they wouldn't be scared. But historically, UF tries to avoid UM.

So my opinion on their current status is wrong and yours is right?

Gotcha.

And I don't see any proof being pointed to here, all I see is words from people here... people get a little too crazy over this "the U" crap... give me a break... when was the last time they won a championship? Or even appeared in one?

Edit:

Did a little research and was surprised to see that Princeton has appeared in the most College Football championships... albeit I'm not sure how many since the BCS was put into play... but that's a shocker to me... lol

Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:38 am

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Rich wrote:

IamPZ wrote:

yeah I'm sure UF is really scared to play a washed up Miami Hurricanes team... please... UF trumps "the U"

Actually, they are. UM is always trying to get the Gators on the schedule and the Gators are always trying to avoid it.

Maybe at this very point when UF is on top and UM is rebuilding (not washed up as you incorrectly point out) they wouldn't be scared. But historically, UF tries to avoid UM.

So my opinion on their current status is wrong and yours is right?

Gotcha.

And I don't see any proof being pointed to here, all I see is words from people here... people get a little too crazy over this "the U" crap... give me a break... when was the last time they won a championship? Or even appeared in one?

Edit:

Did a little research and was surprised to see that Princeton has appeared in the most College Football championships... albeit I'm not sure how many since the BCS was put into play... but that's a shocker to me... lol

UF started their football program in 1906, and has since won 3 National Championships.

UM Started their football program in 1926 and has won 5 National Championship.

From 1986-2008 UM is 6-1 against the gators.

If it weren't Tebow & Meyer, UF is still irrelevant.

UM has the record for the most consecutive years with a first round selection, which was ended last year due to poor recruiting. UF has... Tebow?

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So my opinion on their current status is wrong and yours is right?

Yes. Miami has improved every year under Randy Shannon. They are a rebuilding team.

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And I don't see any proof being pointed to here, all I see is words from people here... people get a little too crazy over this "the U" crap... give me a break... when was the last time they won a championship? Or even appeared in one?

I follow the Hurricanes but I don't consider myself a fan. The last time the Hurricanes won a championship was 2001 and played in one in 2002. It wasn't that long ago.

And it is a well known fact for those who follow college football that the Hurricanes are always trying to get something setup with the Gators and it's the Gators that usually avoid them. This started in 1987. The Gators and Canes played every year from 1944 to 1987 until the Gators put a stop to it. I don't blame the Gators, they have a tough SEC schedule every year. But the fact is, it is the Gators who wanted to stop playing the Canes, not the other way around.

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Rich wrote:

IamPZ wrote:

So my opinion on their current status is wrong and yours is right?

Yes. Miami has improved every year under Randy Shannon. They are a rebuilding team.

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And I don't see any proof being pointed to here, all I see is words from people here... people get a little too crazy over this "the U" crap... give me a break... when was the last time they won a championship? Or even appeared in one?

I follow the Hurricanes but I don't consider myself a fan. The last time the Hurricanes won a championship was 2001 and played in one in 2002. It wasn't that long ago.

And it is a well known fact for those who follow college football that the Hurricanes are always trying to get something setup with the Gators and it's the Gators that usually avoid them. This started in 1987. The Gators and Canes played every year from 1944 to 1987 until the Gators put a stop to it. I don't blame the Gators, they have a tough SEC schedule every year. But the fact is, it is the Gators who wanted to stop playing the Canes, not the other way around.

If I were the modern Gators I wouldn't want to play UM either. Their consistent top 5 rankings might be brought down, even with a big win over UM, because of "strength of schedule" issues. LOL!

UF may not want to play UM for any number of reasons, but I doubt they fear them either.

And this is coming from a guy whose chief mantra has always been "my favorite team is FSU and whoever plays UM/UF." I have no dog in that ugly contest and absolutely hate both teams. That game might as well not happen there are no winners regardless of what the scoreboard says.

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And this is coming from a guy whose chief mantra has always been "my favorite team is FSU and whoever plays UM/UF." I have no dog in that ugly contest and absolutely hate both teams. That game might as well not happen there are no winners regardless of what the scoreboard says.

I'm sure you pull for the Gaotrs a little more since the 'canes are within the conference

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UF may not want to play UM for any number of reasons, but I doubt they fear them either.

As I said in my post, right now it wouldn't be out of fear. They are scheduled to play in 2013. But in 1987, when UF declined to play UM every year on a going forward basis, it definitely was out of fear. Same thing with Notre Dame.

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Ick I got myself into a bad argument because I don't follow college football at all... I'll be sure to back out of this one now lol.

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Rich wrote:

eleaf wrote:

UF may not want to play UM for any number of reasons, but I doubt they fear them either.

As I said in my post, right now it wouldn't be out of fear. They are scheduled to play in 2013. But in 1987, when UF declined to play UM every year on a going forward basis, it definitely was out of fear. Same thing with Notre Dame.

whoa, whoa, whoa.....don't bring Notre Dame into this one

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Phin wrote:

I think everyone else got it Iowa.

lol I still don't get it. Is the joke that he is taking a picture with a girl that is flashing the U sign? Is she a Miami alum, or trying to be funny? Did she mean to be making that sign? There's so many questions...

JoeSchmoe explained it well......but you do know that the U. of Miami is The U?

Just making sure, because that would be disturbing. Lol.

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Rich wrote:

eleaf wrote:

UF may not want to play UM for any number of reasons, but I doubt they fear them either.

As I said in my post, right now it wouldn't be out of fear. They are scheduled to play in 2013. But in 1987, when UF declined to play UM every year on a going forward basis, it definitely was out of fear. Same thing with Notre Dame.

whoa, whoa, whoa.....don't bring Notre Dame into this one

LOL, I'd like to see that rivalry return. There have been talks about it returning.

lol I still don't get it. Is the joke that he is taking a picture with a girl that is flashing the U sign? Is she a Miami alum, or trying to be funny? Did she mean to be making that sign? There's so many questions...

JoeSchmoe explained it well......but you do know that the U. of Miami is The U?

Yes, that much I know. I guess I didn't know who the girl was, or what she was doing...just thought it was a picture of Tebow with some girl and that somehow it was funny.

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joeschmoe wrote:

eleaf wrote:

And this is coming from a guy whose chief mantra has always been "my favorite team is FSU and whoever plays UM/UF." I have no dog in that ugly contest and absolutely hate both teams. That game might as well not happen there are no winners regardless of what the scoreboard says.

I'm sure you pull for the Gaotrs a little more since the 'canes are within the conference

Not since FSU hasn't been all that relevant in the conference (or in all of college football for that matter).

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