tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post5936213502268321788..comments2018-03-19T15:53:10.573-05:00Comments on <center>Istoria Ministries Blog</center>: Fire and Fury and this Earth as an InheritanceWade Burlesonhttps://plus.google.com/104502590427919906366noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-68088370072063731512017-09-12T11:02:29.827-05:002017-09-12T11:02:29.827-05:00Wade,
It seems you’ve changed your mind that Heav...Wade,<br /><br />It seems you’ve changed your mind that Heaven does not exist, since you agree that God has “many rooms”. Our difference now is you say God is going to move these “many rooms” to earth someday. Also we differ if the “rooms’ are empty or not.<br /><br />You believe everyone remains in their grave until God moves them to the “rooms”.<br /><br />Since we are on the same subject, I will copy paste what I wrote on September 25, 2016 what Jesus said:<br /><br />“But now, as to whether the dead will be raised—haven’t you ever read about this in the writing of Moses, in the story of the burning bush? Long after Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob had died, God said to Moses, I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. So he is the God of the Living, not the dead. You [ Wade :) ] have made a serious error.” (Mark 12:26-27 NLT)<br /><br /><br /><br />You said, “…we will be WED to him…” <br /><br />Have you gone Catholic on us? I mean Nuns believe they are wed to Jesus. <br /><br />According to Scripture we are CHILDREN of God:<br /><br />“…you received God’s Spirit when he adopted you as his own children…” (Romans 8:15)<br /><br />“You are all children of God through faith in Christ Jesus.” (Galatians 3:26)<br /><br />“I will be your Father, and you will be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty. (2 Corinthians 6:18)<br /><br />“I am writing to you who are God’s children…” (1 John 1:12)<br /><br />“Dear friends, we are already God’s children…” (1 John 3:2)<br /><br /><br />P.S.<br />Tomorrow, we’re going to Seattle for a week for my niece’s son’s wedding. It will be like a large family reunion. My brother and sisters will be there.<br />Rex Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976501582240117188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-72725286350964491232017-09-12T05:43:24.711-05:002017-09-12T05:43:24.711-05:00What God &quot;has prepared&quot; is the mansion w...What God &quot;has prepared&quot; is the mansion with many rooms - waiting to descend to earth when the King of Kings reigns over the Universe physically, literally and eternally.<br /><br />Heaven &quot;doubling over and ending where it started&quot; is precisely what Scripture teaches. <br /><br />Look at Revelation compared to Genesis 1. The trees of life are present in the end, just as in the beginning. No more tears and no more human death, just as in the beginning. The Lord living and walking among us, just as in the beginning. The only difference is we will be WED to Him, so no procreation and subduing of the earth, for it will be redeemed and subdued by Him. It seems the Bible has heaven doubling back and ending where it all began.Wade Burlesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01968442835088008681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-45304107926057806482017-09-09T17:57:32.341-05:002017-09-09T17:57:32.341-05:00Wade,
You said, “God will redeem the earth and re...Wade,<br /><br />You said, “God will redeem the earth and restore this place as the Paradise the first man lost.”<br /><br />Are you saying that Heaven will be no better than when Adam and Eve existed?<br /><br />That doesn’t portray with “…No eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no mind has imagined what God HAS prepared for those who love him.” (1 Corinthians 2:9) (“HAS” is past tense.) <br /><br />Your idea would have the “ladder between heaven and earth” doubling over and ending where it started.<br /><br />You haven’t addressed Jesus saying, “There IS more than enough room in my Father’s home. (John 14:2 NLT) <br /><br />“IS” is a done deal; not thousands of years in the future.<br /><br />I’m glad your church stays relaxed. :) <br />Rex Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976501582240117188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-78536702595277410652017-09-09T10:40:35.155-05:002017-09-09T10:40:35.155-05:00Rex,
Heaven and earth unite (Revelation 20) - so ...Rex,<br /><br />Heaven and earth unite (Revelation 20) - so heaven and earth become one on that day.<br /><br />&quot;The meek will inherit the earth.&quot;<br /><br />Verily I say to you today, &#39;You will be with me in Paradise.&quot; (No commas in the Greek language).<br /><br />I&#39;m not asking you to agree, and I completely understand your position. I also am not seeking to convince you by saying &quot;You&#39;re wrong.&quot; Not at all. I could be wrong. <br /><br />What I&#39;m giving is the traditional, orthodox Christian view that God will redeem the earth and restore this place as the Paradise the first man lost. The Last Adam (Jesus Christ) reverses the curse of the first Adam.<br /><br />In our church, we encourage people to relax when they hear opposing views and consider them respectfully, knowing that man&#39;s interpretations are fallible (capable of error), as I know mine can be - and so can your&#39;s.<br /><br />Wade Burlesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01968442835088008681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-24394466857877267872017-09-09T02:18:56.316-05:002017-09-09T02:18:56.316-05:00RRR,
Yes, the five points you made that convince ...RRR,<br /><br />Yes, the five points you made that convince you that when you die you “will immediately be in God’s glorious heavenly realm…” is RIGHT ON!<br /><br />Wade,<br /><br />You’ve probably heard it said “not to fear those who argue, but be careful of those who ‘dodge’. <br /><br />“Dodging” means a person (like many politicians) so many times does not answer the question but talks all around it.<br /><br />I quoted John 1:51: “…I tell you the truth, you will all see HEAVEN open and the angels of God going up and down on the Son of Man, the one who is the stairway between HEAVEN and earth.”<br /><br />That’s what you did when you said, “When Jesus calls Himself a &quot;Stairway,&quot; or a &quot;Shepherd,&quot; or &quot;The Water of Life&quot; or &quot;the Bread of Life,&quot; He is using metaphorical language. Jesus is not a &quot;literal&quot; stairway,..”<br /><br />HEY Old friend! The main fact Jesus said is: “heaven and earth” which you ignored or dodged. <br /><br />By saying heaven and earth, Jesus emphasis there are TWO PLACES and not just one place as you claim earth will be heaven.<br />Rex Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976501582240117188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-5086358090101325732017-09-08T08:38:43.771-05:002017-09-08T08:38:43.771-05:00Rex Ray,
I know we have discussed these topics bef...Rex Ray,<br />I know we have discussed these topics before and I said previously that I would not comment on it given we had already had a pretty good stream of conversation about it, but I can&#39;t help myself! I LOVE talking about these things and hearing from you, Wade and others, as to your thoughts. I don&#39;t propose that I am the authority who &quot;knows&quot;, given that God obviously has cloaked much of these prophetic Kingdom plans until He reveals them in time, but I love searching Scripture and seeking to come to a conclusion to which I can be most confident. I think it is good because there are a lot of weird proposals out there and I know I must be guarded and at least strive to determine the position I feel is most in harmony with God&#39;s Word. <br /><br />All that Wade says in response to your post above is truly correct in the &quot;Stairway/Water/Bread&quot; being metaphorical. I am sure you agree that it is too. However, I also believe we can dangerously dilute Scripture some times by attributing things as being allegorical, metaphorical, etc., too. Like my Old Testament professor who taught that &quot;Adam and Eve&quot; and the entire Creation/Fall from Grace account was allegorical and not meant to be a literal account. He explained away most miracles and divine encounters with this physical realm in much the same way. Wade certainly does NOT do that, but still, I lean toward taking Scripture literally unless it is very obviously not intended to be that way.<br /><br />That said, I conclude from my investigation into Scripture (at least thus far) that:<br />- Jesus was alive and busy between His death and resurrection. (1 Peter 3)<br />-The story of the poor man/Lazarus gives insight into there being an active, spiritual realm simultaneous with the continued life in the physical world. <br />-The promise to the thief on the cross to be in &quot;paradise&quot; that day, <br />-the many insinuations in the Pauline writings regarding the immediate awakening in heaven&#39;s glory upon death, <br />-the number of references in the Book of Revelation as to the presence of saints in God&#39;s glory in heaven while people continue to live in the physical world, etc., etc., etc., <br />- those who are not cloaked in the saving blood of Jesus Christ when they leave this physical world are going to spend eternity separated from God with no hope of rescue.<br /><br />all together convince me that when I die, I will immediately be in God&#39;s glorious heavenly realm, mingling with Abraham, Elijah, Moses, Mom, Dad, Rex Ray&#39;s wife and that at no time will I be in any unconscious &quot;sleep&quot; state where I am mentally and spiritually separated from my Father.<br /><br />I also take the position that following a millennium reign of Christ on this earth, God will completely dissolve this planet and we will immediately be in His new realm where there is no separation of physical from spiritual.<br /><br />I KNOW that there are Scripture passages that can be used as a basis for positions contrary to what I have concluded and I respectfully submit that those proposals may prove to be more accurate as things unfold than what I have concluded. But for me, this is where I land. <br /><br />Thank you all for allowing me to expunge on this again. I feel better now!<br />RRRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13559291446578456981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-51781867986090710612017-09-08T08:06:49.815-05:002017-09-08T08:06:49.815-05:00Rex, My tongue was in my cheek when I wrote my co...Rex, My tongue was in my cheek when I wrote my comment above. Sorry, I should have put a smiley face at the end. <br /><br />Heaven is wherever the presence of Jesus is. Guess OK has a little heaven in it with much more to come. :) KenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-36243993587261836602017-09-08T07:27:50.907-05:002017-09-08T07:27:50.907-05:00Rex,
When Jesus calls Himself a &quot;Stairway,&q...Rex,<br /><br />When Jesus calls Himself a &quot;Stairway,&quot; or a &quot;Shepherd,&quot; or &quot;The Water of Life&quot; or &quot;the Bread of Life,&quot; He is using metaphorical language. Jesus is not a &quot;literal&quot; stairway, nor is He literally water, or bread, or a shepherd. But Jesus accomplishes all things that water accomplishes, bread accomplishes, a shepherd accomplishes and a stairway accomplishes.<br /><br />In other words, if you wish to live in heaven for eternity, you must take the stairway that leads there, drink the water and eat the bread that gives you immortal life, and be in the care of the shepherd who ensures His flock gets to the safety of their eternal home.<br /><br />Blessings, RexWade Burlesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01968442835088008681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-74475915406523522792017-09-08T06:51:45.376-05:002017-09-08T06:51:45.376-05:00Ken,
I think Wade is like all of us in that we li...Ken,<br /><br />I think Wade is like all of us in that we like responding to people that agree with us, and we like to quote Scripture that backs up what we believe. For example Wade ignores verses that indicate that Heaven is existing NOW.<br /><br />1. “There is more than enough room in my Father’s home. [Footnote: “There are many rooms in my Father’s house.” (John 14:2 NLT) Just before my uncle’s 5-year-old daughter died in China, she said, “Mama, which one is our house?”<br /><br />2. “…Jesus, remember me when you come into your Kingdom. Today you will be with me in paradise.” (Luke 23:42-43 NLT)<br /><br />3. “Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed steadily into HEAVEN and saw the glory of God, and he saw Jesus standing in the place of honor at God’s right hand!” (Acts 7:55 NLT)<br /><br />4. “…I tell you the truth, you will all see HEAVEN open and the angels of God going up and down on the Son of Man, the one who is the stairway between HEAVEN and earth.” (John 1:51 NLT)<br /><br />Ken, I’ll bet Wade won’t explain if earth is Heaven, how Jesus said he is the “stairway between Heaven and earth.” <br />Rex Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976501582240117188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-41641519883356475632017-09-07T12:32:35.353-05:002017-09-07T12:32:35.353-05:00&quot;So, next time you are tempted to litter, rem...&quot;So, next time you are tempted to litter, remember,that you would be soiling your eternal home. A proper understanding of one&#39;s future home gives a good corrective to one&#39;s present conduct. &quot;<br /><br />Hmmm. I always thought more trash would equal better combustion and a hotter refining fire for the new earth&#39;s genesis. You mean I should change my thinking? KenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-11346725744535659222017-09-07T08:44:34.832-05:002017-09-07T08:44:34.832-05:00Wade,
Here we go again. :)
The discussion if ev...Wade,<br /><br />Here we go again. :)<br /><br />The discussion if everyone remains in their graves until the end of time or:<br /><br /> “Yes, we are fully confident, and we would rather be away from these earthly bodies, for then WE WILL BE AT HOME WITH THE LORD.” (2 Corinthians 5:8 NLT)<br /><br />“Jesus replied, “Your mistake is you [ Wade? :) ] don’t know the Scriptures…as to whether the dead will be raised…Long after Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob had died, God said to Moses. “I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” So he is the God of the living not the dead. You have made a serious error.” (Mark 12:24-27 NLT) Also read (Luke 20:37-38)<br />Rex Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976501582240117188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-39990663114789860752017-09-07T06:38:18.207-05:002017-09-07T06:38:18.207-05:00Christiane,
&quot;All shall be well in the Kingd...Christiane, <br /><br />&quot;All shall be well in the Kingdom of God.&quot;<br /><br />No nine words say it better!<br /><br />Wade Burlesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01968442835088008681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-60871833869611052342017-09-07T06:37:47.215-05:002017-09-07T06:37:47.215-05:00RRR,
Thank you, sir!
RRR,<br /><br />Thank you, sir!<br />Wade Burlesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01968442835088008681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-53411483940369174652017-09-06T23:25:33.693-05:002017-09-06T23:25:33.693-05:00http://www.framedart.com/product-images/AAABQAQA-P...http://www.framedart.com/product-images/AAABQAQA-P157471.jpg<br /><br />I&#39;ve always loved Edward Hick&#39;s painting of &#39;The Peaceable Kingdom&#39; and I am ever deeply moved by the eleventh Chapter in Book of the Prophet Isaiah that tells of its coming:<br /><br />&quot;6 The wolf shall live with the lamb,<br /> the leopard shall lie down with the kid,<br />the calf and the lion and the fatling together,<br /> and a little child shall lead them.<br />7 The cow and the bear shall graze,<br /> their young shall lie down together;<br /> and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.<br />8 The nursing child shall play over the hole of the asp,<br /> and the weaned child shall put its hand on the adder’s den.<br />9 They will not hurt or destroy<br /> on all my holy mountain;<br />for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the Lord<br /> as the waters cover the sea. &quot;<br /><br /><br />In the great kindness of Our God, we are given revelation of the Kingdom of God in a way that helps us and does not frighten or overwhelm us. Our Lord comes back from the crucifixion and the grave and repeatedly says &#39;peace be with you&#39;. <br />Even after the Ascension, we were blessed with the &#39;Comforter&#39; to help us. <br /><br />So, if this understanding of this Earth as our eternal &#39;home&#39; is measured up against the great kindness of God in helping us to make that connection with the &#39;eternal&#39;, then it makes sense to me. All shall be well in the Kingdom of Our Lord. :)Christianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15969310497166526545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-73261640346821421252017-09-06T21:34:34.240-05:002017-09-06T21:34:34.240-05:00Hot dog, Wade! I love to discuss these things and ...Hot dog, Wade! I love to discuss these things and am so glad you introduce them again, although in a somewhat different context than in previous times.<br /><br />You are so right in our not needing to be intimidated or over impressed by the kings on this planet. I think I am intended to look at things going on kind of like a war correspondent doing coverage in a war zone in another land. It&#39;s really not my war, in terms of all the political enemies and their saber rattling. I do need to minister to the victims of war, and I am loyal to my country, pray for it, and will serve it anytime, but I need to remember that my &quot;home&quot; is not here.<br /><br />But the things in your post I find most provocative are those referring to things that are coming, like; &quot;You might need to adjust your view of &quot;heaven.&quot; Heaven is nothing more, nothing less, than the righteous being &quot;raised from the dead&quot; and inheriting &quot;the earth&quot; forever.&quot; We had discussions on &quot;heaven&quot; in another recent post so I won&#39;t go there, but it is exciting to consider the prospects.<br /><br />You and I have some different takes on guessing how things are going to play out in terms of God&#39;s plan and the ultimate outcome of this planet, I think. At the same time, like so many of those things that God apparently intends to remain somewhat cloaked in mystery, I don&#39;t consider myself to be dogmatic about it and believe I will only know for certain after it all unfolds. Of course, the key is for me to be obedient in striving to lead as many as possible into God&#39;s eternal security before the door closes and to keep my eyes on Jesus.<br /><br />Thanks a lot for an exciting, encouraging message that we sure need to hear. I am so glad God chose to put me in this world at this time. What opportunities!RRRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13559291446578456981noreply@blogger.com