O`REILLY: Only reporting the alleged injury. To demonstrate that there will be much more to come in this case.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Does he now know that this officer had a broken orbital eye socket?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The source sourced...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The source in this story...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... tells us...

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ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good to have you with us tonight folks. Thank for watching. We begin tonight with the evolving narrative in the shooting death of Michael Brown.

Now a number of news websites are reporting that Officer Darren Wilson suffered a facial injuries in a confrontation with Brown before the shooting. TheBlaze reports, Officer Wilson was beaten nearly unconscious, nearly unconscious. TheBlaze of course is siting Fox News.

What does that mean? Nearly unconscious, have you ever been nearly unconscious? Well, you lose your faculties for a little bit. You get jogged around. You got to get it back together again. Boy, there must have been a hell of a confrontation for a guy to be nearly unconscious.

Fox News is reporting Wilson was badly beaten with -- suffering severe facial injuries. What is a severe facial injury? Beaten badly, what does that mean? We`re playing with a lot of terms, past and loose here aren`t we?

Fox News sites an unnamed source close to the police department`s top brass, there`s a hell of a source for you. And it`s not just conservative news organizations doing this. Now the Washington Post is in the game, they`re reporting Wilson suffered a fractured eye socket?

A fractured eye socket, in other words, he must have got the tar beaten out of him, big time. The Post sites unnamed family friend, what`s going on here? The Washington Post also reported hospital x-rays of the injury have been submitted to the St. Louis County prosecuting attorney and will be shared with the grand jury.

That`s a heck of piece of information. You mean somebody told the Washington Post that there are x-rays. That means he must have gone to the hospital. And there`s an injury, and this information is going to be submitted to the St. Louis county prosecuting attorney. Did they confirm that? Does that mean that there`s a leak in the prosecuting attorney`s office?

ABC News in the game now, they are siting a single source close to the officer who said, Wilson had suffered a serious facial injury, a serious facial injury. The source told ABC the hospital photo of Wilson`s facial injury is expected to be shown to the grand jury. No evidence has been made public showing if Wilson was actually injured, but we`ve got media description galore don`t we?

You know, it`s interesting, the police department released this video of Michael Brown in the convenience store, but they refused to release any of these pictures that show evidence that Darren Wilson had all these unbelievable facial injuries and eye socket torn out, and everything else that`s been reported. What`s going on here?

These news outlets as I see it are bringing forth and citing single unnamed sources. This simply in my judgment isn`t enough information right now to determine if Wilson was actually beaten by the victim who was shot. We simply don`t know the other side of the story right now. But this hasn`t stopped Fox News from jumping all over this narrative in the story.

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O`REILLY: We also hear today that officer Wilson has an orbital blowout fracture of his eye socket. The factor has not been able to confirm that, and we do not want to try this case on television.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A well-placed source tells foxnews.com that there was violent confrontation between Michael Brown and Officer Darren Wilson moments before the 18-year-old was shot and killed. That source is saying that Michael Brown nearly beat the officer unconscious.

This report is based on one source, I want to underscore that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The orbital eye socket which was fracture and he was nearly beaten unconscious according now multiple reports that we have here...

SCHULTZ: Beaten badly, description of the injuries. Wow, there must have been an unbelievable confrontation going on here. I mean a big guy just railing on this cop. The earliest news report about the alleged facial injuries to Officer Wilson was on Wednesday August 13th. This was four days after the shooting.

Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson allegedly told local CBS affiliate KMOV that Wilson was injured in the confrontation with Brown.

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LAURA HETTIGER, KMOV REPORTER: So I was able to speak with the Ferguson Police Chief himself and get an update on the officer involved in the Mike Brown shooting that happened on Saturday. He confirms to me that that officer did have injuries after whatever happened on Saturday afternoon -- that his face was swollen from being hit. Of course this is something that News 4 will continue to follow all day.

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SCHULTZ: Well I hope so. According to KMOV, the only person who put their name on this story was the Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson. Jackson did not produce any photographs to that reporter or evidence to backup his statement. He doesn`t have to. He`s got Fox News describing almost a riot.

Now I want to play some video from the scene of the shooting on August 9th. This video was taken right after Brown was shot. It shows a number of different officers at the shooting scene. We don`t know -- we don`t know if this gentleman right here. And we don`t know if these guys around the police car. We don`t know if this gentleman -- we don`t if this gentleman right here -- we don`t know if they`re Darren Wilson. But I bet those guys do.

We need to hear from these officers at the scene. They are the only ones who would know if Wilson really suffered facial injuries to his eye socket. They would know if he was badly beaten, they would know if he was almost unconscious. Either that or they`re totally incompetent.

Here is what we do know. Later today, NBC news confirmed Darrel Wilson was treated for injuries. We know Wilson was taken to an area hospital. We don`t know if was admitted. It is not clear how serious the injuries were. But you listen to Bill O`Reilly who is so upset about all of the coverage that he came back off of vacation but he hasn`t gone to Ferguson.

If you listen to all of these news reports, you would think that this guy was near-death. He was badly beaten, he was almost unconscious.

For more let me bring Brown family Attorney Daryl Parks and also Ring of Fire radio host and America`s Attorney Mike Papantonio who`s a former president of the National Trial Lawyers Association. Gentlemen thanks for your time tonight. Mr. Parks you first, what is happening in the media here?

DARYL PARKS, BROWN FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, they continue to really distort it. You know, it is funny you mentioned Fox, I will know yesterday. And they asked me about this -- they started to mention about this so-called eye injury that may have taken place. And, let me be the first to say that there`s certainly was some type of altercation within the car that happened there.

And -- but I think this is a distraction from the real situation. The real deal is that happened in the car and Michael Brown run away, this officer got out of the car and then get out to shot him as he away when there was no apparent threat. So I think we have to watch them because they`re going to continue to throw little kid (ph) that`s out there, of things that has nothing to do with the ultimate matter which is when he got out of the car and started the shoot.

So, this alleged eye injury, maybe, maybe not, who`s to say? But certainly, it does nothing to say to that this -- when at the time of the shooting that that threat still exist.

SCHULTZ: Pap, does it seem to you that the conservative media is making a defense case for the officer?

MIKE PAPANTONIO, RING OF FIRE RADIO: They are. They`re making a defense case if you think about it for the grand jury. Really, these are the kinds of things that you`re going to hear this prosecutor talk about in front of the grand jury. Understand, in front of the grand jury, some of the material that he talks about may not even be admissible in trial, that`s what everybody is missing here.

Here say sometimes comes, and all types of things come before that grand jury. And what bothers me the most Ed, here is there`s no special set of rules for the use of deadly force that can`t be synthesize down to subjective analysis, the officer`s best call under the circumstances, that`s what this prosecutor is going to be arguing to this grand jury. That`s what I`m most concerned about.

And what this grand jury is going to be presented with, if this Prosecutor McCulloch wants this case to either go away or be minimized, the presentation to the grand jury is going to be the prosecutor, wants the case to go away and he`s going to do it in real settle kind of ways. He`s going to tell them, that a struggle took place in the cabin of the patrol car, and that the area is considered as zone of protection, that`s the term they us for a police officer`s patrol car.

What that does Ed is it heightens the officer`s ability to use deadly force at that point. Then if there`s a struggle at that point, the police -- there`s a felony that`s taken place. And when that felony takes place within that zone of protection, everything starts to escalate and those are the type of things that this prosecutor is going to be able to argue.

Now these things that you`re talking about, this is all extra. If you add a bad eye or you add some type bruises that they`re able to talk about, this thing then becomes something that this prosecutor almost can`t miss with if he wants this case to go away. Understand these news articles, it`s arming him and it`s arming this grand jury. In some of the...

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

PAPANTONIO: ... material he presents doesn`t even have to be admissible in a trial.

SCHULTZ: Mr. Parks, how can a man be beaten badly? How can a man be beaten and described as almost unconscious but yet be able to get out of the car and shoot straight?

PARKS: Well, also too, he didn`t quite shoot straight thought Ed, from what we could tell from the witnesses. He did miss a lot. But let me say this here thought, I think that the video tape -- and I assume you showed the tape that shows two officers standing outside, they`re currently talking with one another, one actually I think -- I recall a man had his hands in his hips or something, and they just seem to be waiting around, talking. He doesn`t appear to the holding his eye, doesn`t appear to be in any type of distress. He seems to be just kind of waiting to see what`s going to happen next. It doesn`t appear that he would have -- he`s having any type if ailment, physical distress, anything of that sort that would indicate that he`s having some...

SCHULTZ: But...

PARKS: ... type of medical issue. So I think...

SCHULTZ: Wouldn`t those -- Mr. Parks, wouldn`t those officers on the scene know whether their colleague had suffered an injury? They become key to the grand jury.

PARKS: Well, but -- even better that them know. I think the fact that we have a tape, you know, a video is so powerful. And that people get to look at him and see him for a pretty good amount of time as he stands there. And so you get to judge his demeanor, his appearance for yourself rather than what someone else is trying to describe to you using their own words.

SCHULTZ: Mike, when you take a look at this video tape, it doesn`t look like any other cops are injured. And we don`t know if any of these police officers here are Darren Wilson. Shouldn`t federal investigators be able to get to the bottom of this quickly as to whether there was an officer on the scene who was injured and have the description of injuries that the news media is reporting?

PAPANTONIO: Ed, the best thing about having those federal investigators there is this sounds ridiculously cynical to somebody who doesn`t do what I do or what Daryl Parks does. We see it all the time. And that is, you have policemen that will create testimony. They will create story lines and narratives that are so far from the truth, that the only way you can do that is somehow to hold them responsible. These videos, they`ll do that, the truth comes out and the truth comes in the videos and hopefully the truth, some to the truth comes out in the forensic evidence.

But the most important thing about those federals being there is that it makes it more difficult for these policemen and these investigators and possible this prosecutor to tweak a case that goes away simply because a particular...

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

PAPANTONIO: ... witness statement is tweaked or forensics are tweaked.

SCHULTZ: So...

PAPANTONIO: So I`m glad to see the federals there.

SCHULTZ: So Mr. Parks, the release of the convenient store video, that of course was greatly critiqued by many people as far as the timing is concerned. But I notice that the conservative media is willing to accept this but they`re not willing to come out and demand that these pictures, if there are pictures of Wilson`s injury. What do you make of that?

PARKS: I have to agree.

SCHULTZ: I mean this is selective release of information. They`re out making the case, it wasn`t until days after that we heard that the police officer was injured, and now we can`t get any pictures but we can sure get video tape of the kid who is in the store.

PARKS: Well, without a questions Ed, I think that we see that they have made a decision that whatever they can do to put this victim, Michael Brown in negative light, they are going to do and continue to do. So we are not surprise by this strategy, it`s an attempt to get away from the real person and act on a situation who is the officer who shot Michael Brown and he has shot at him as Michael continued to run away.

Now, they`re going to continue to try and blame the victim. And I think for once, we all should stand up for the victim in this case. And if nothing else, to Michael Brown, who is dead, we owe the truth. And unfortunately, there are many out there who will continue to distract from the truth that we have in this case. So -- But we`re going to continue to fight for his legacy, continue to make sure that the truth comes out, obviously as we know what is put on the post domain doesn`t matter...

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

PARKS: ... and we`re going to fight to make sure that the truth gets out.

SCHULTZ: But Mike is it going to be terribly important to talk to those other officers on the scene?

PAPANTONIO: Yeah, I think what -- I think...

SCHULTZ: I mean, that is vital, is it not?

PAPANTONIO: Absolutely.

SCHULTZ: OK.

PAPANTONIO: That will happen. The main thing is embrace the facts you have -- look if there are bruises on the police officer, so be it. Embrace the defense and I`m sure Daryl Parks...

SCHULTZ: OK.

PAPANTONIO: ... will do the same thing, embrace those facts, go forward with them. This case is -- it`s going to be an out kill battle because of what the police officer`s investigators do here, no question about it.

SCHULTZ: And the prosecutor is saying that this grand jury may go into mid-October. Mike, why?

PAPANTONIO: Well, I mean the best -- that`s they`re best argument is that we look at everything. Should it have to go into mid-October? No. In fact this prosecutor -- the reason I keep coming back to this, I know you know the story, this prosecutor, in the year 2000, two young men were shot 21 times as they sat in their car, they had drugs less than three ounces of drugs. This prosecutor took it to the grand jury, the grand jury said, that`s perfectly fine. Why did that happen, because this prosecutor started off with a preconceive notion of what he wanted to do.

Twenty-one shots were fired into these young men and the grand jury comes back and says, "That`s perfectly fine". And -- so the problem that develops here is right in front of us and that is this prosecutor and his team is already in front of the grand jury. Nixon needs to man up and stop this process...

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

PAPANTONIO: ... now, because if it goes bad, it`s going to go really bad for Ferguson, possible the entire country, their ramifications to what happens there in Ferguson.

SCHULTZ: All right, gentlemen, thanks so much for you time tonight. Daryl Parks, Mike Papantonio, thanks for being on the Ed Show again.

Coming up, what the murder of James Foley means for U.S. operations in Iraq. But first new developments out of Ferguson. We will talk to Saint Louise Alderman Antonio French. Keep it here, we`ll be right back.

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JOHNSON: Each night I`ve seen turning point. Each night I`ve seen small steps, and sometimes those small steps are hard to see but I know small turn into big steps. And so I`ve been -- we`ve been taking small steps every night.

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SCHULTZ: And we are back. Earlier today, Governor Jay Nixon ordered the Missouri National Guard to begin withdrawing from Ferguson, citing the improve situation on the ground. This comes after a second night of mostly calm protest. Every rain and lighting had protesters taking cover for part of the night. Six arrests were reported over the night and there was only one reported incident of a bottle being thrown at police.

There were some tense moments on those two supporters of the Police Officer Darren Wilson march into the crowd. According to reports, protesters gathered around them and after a water bottle was thrown police surrounded a couple and drove them away from the scene.

As the protests dwindle, the investigation into the death of Michael Brown has ramping up. Attorney General Eric Holder says the Justice Department will keep their focus on Ferguson and law enforcement tactics even after the media moves on.

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ERIC HOLDER, ATTORNEY GENERAL.: My commitment to them is that, long after this tragic story no longer receives this level of attention. The Justice Department will continue to stand with Ferguson. We will continue the conversation this incident has sparked about the need for trust building between law enforcement officers and the communities that they serve. About the appropriate use of force and the need to ensure fair and equal treatment for everyone who comes in to contact with the police.

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SCHULTZ: Joining us tonight on the Ed Show, St. Louis Alderman Antonio French. Mr. French, good to have you with us. You have been down at the activities and the protest that have unfolded in recent days. What`s different in the last 48 hours from what you can see?

ANTONIO FRENCH, ST. LOUIS ALDERMAN: Well, we`ve had two peaceful nights in a row. We haven`t had that on a long time. And I think folks have really been fatigue from all of the violence and the conflicts in the streets, and they`re happy to have a couple of nights of peace. I spend most of this morning at the local library here that`s been turned into a makeshifts school. School has been out, not a class in Alderman in a session since this conflict has been going on.

So, people are eager to get their kids back in school and get back to some kind of normalcy.

SCHULTZ: Did the attorney general`s visit in Ferguson make a difference? Did it have an impact? Is this the result of his visit?

FRENCH: I think it is. I think the central issue here is that people had really lost faith in the justice system. I think a lot of the violence you saw was that people felt that they were not getting any recourse out of the local jurisdiction or the county jurisdiction. And so I think it does make a difference to have the federal government take an interest. And for the attorney general that come here personally shows that it is on top of his priority list.

SCHULTZ: What is your response and what is the response of the people in the community from what you could see of some of the reporting that`s going on saying that there was an eye socket theory of an injury that the officer was badly beaten that he was nearly unconscious?

FRENCH: Yeah. You know, I think one of the really missteps in this whole thing is how the local authorities have slowly released information at their convenience, which is really at times served to almost incite more conflict. So, if that is true, I think they should release pictures and maybe medical evidence showing it`s true.

But at the end of the day, what we really need to do is start the process of bringing about justice and that`s a trial. And so, we continue to call on the governor to remove the local county prosecutor who is taking this long step of calling a grand jury that he now says may last until October, and frankly for those on the ground it`s going to be tough to keep the peace until October.

SCHULTZ: You think it`s going to be hard to keep the peace until mid October because that`s what the prosecutor said. That`s how long this grand jury process may take place. Do you think it`s going to be hard...

FRENCH: Yeah.

SCHULTZ: ... to control people that long?

FRENCH: I do and I don`t think it`s necessary. I think there was at least enough evidence just has been released to warrant him to give an indictment and start the process of a trial, which is not to at all predetermine the officer`s guilt, but there should be a trial. And let the jury decide, and I think that`s what the people want.

And for him to drag this on to October, I think he`s endangering public safety, and I don`t think he really has a handle on what the situation is down here. It`s going to be very tough to keep everybody calm until October.

SCHULTZ: Close to 30,000 signatures have been delivered in the petition to remove this prosecutor. And.

FRENCH: Yeah.

SCHULTZ: . do you think that that has had any impact at all on the governor?

FRENCH: I hope so. I know that has said that he would not replace Mr. McCulloch, but I really hope that he reconsiders that, given...

SCHULTZ: Well, now that the grand jury is underway it would seem like he would not replace the prosecutor. I mean now that the grand jury has begun its process.

FRENCH: Well, even the county prosecutor went on local radio here yesterday and said that, you know, if the governor has going to do and he needs to do it sooner than later. And I agree with that, the governor needs to do it sooner than later.

SCHULTZ: Great to have you with us tonight. Mr. French I appreciate your time. I hope the healing continues. It looks like we`re in the right direction. I know that the weather there is playing a big factor. Give us an idea what kind of weekend you think it`s going to be this protest in triple digit temperatures that are expected over the weekend?

FRENCH: Yeah. It is very hot right here, right now, but what we`re trying to do is now that we have some peace, we`re trying to start the process of healing. We started the group called the Heal STL (ph). We`re running storefront right down here on West Florissant, kind of the ground zero. We`re going to start this weekend to register everybody in Florissant, in Ferguson that we can and try to get them active politically because that`s ultimately what`s going to solve these problems out here.

SCHULTZ: All right, city alderman from St. Louis Antonio French. Thanks for joining us tonight.

Coming up, new air strikes in Iraq despite the threats from ISIS. Plus, in a time of crisis President Obama`s critics, call out the fashion police. Your question is next, Ask Ed Live coming up on the Ed Show on MSNBC. We`ll be right back.

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SCHULTZ: Thanks for us tonight. I love hearing from all of you. I appreciate the questions in our Ask Ed Live segment. Our first question comes from Gary (ph) tonight. He want to know, well this is a dandy. "Do you think the right-wingers such as Limbaugh, Savage, and Hannity are born pathological liars and truth benders, or do they choose to be?"

I`m not smart enough to figure out how they were born, OK? Or what they have been thinking since birth, or whether if there`s anything wrong with them. I would just say that we know for a fact that they make stuff up. And we know for a fact that they package their information to fit their ideology in a very negative fashion to anyone who opposes them. Let`s put it that way. They are truth benders, no doubt.

Our next question is from Harry. He wants to know, "Why hasn`t the man on the overpass been arrested for pointing a weapon at federal agents during the Bundy standoff?" Oh yeah. OK. That`s the picture. Let me tell you something, we have had more response to this picture. This is very troubling to people. This guy is not in an official capacity. He`s an American citizen with the firearm and he has somebody out here we don`t know who but he`s got somebody in the cross hairs.

I don`t know if he`s breaking the law or not. I don`t know the law on that. I don`t know the Nevada law on this. I don`t know the federal law on this. But don`t you think it rather unusual that an American citizen would be so motivated to take his firearm and line up and put somebody in the cross airs for what? Who the hell is he? Certainly not a person in authority.

A sign the labor market is improving, few Americans applied for first time unemployment benefits last week. Jobless claims feel by 14,000. The average rate for a 30-year fixed mortgage hit a 53-weel low, dropping to 4.1 percent last week. And AAA expects 34.7 million Americans will travel this Labor Day weekend. Meantime, gas is cheaper this holiday weekends than last, at $3.44 a gallon.

That`s it from CNBC, first in business worldwide.

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SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. ISIS called a brutal murder of American journalist James Foley, an active retaliation for U.S. air strikes in Iraq. ISIS demanded the air strikes stop or Steven Sotloff, another American journalist will be killed. Now, we`re learning until the air strikes begun last month, ISIS had a very different demand, a ransom payment of a 100 million Euro or roughly $132 million. The United States refused to pay following the policy of not making concessions to terrorist and not paying ransoms.

However, U.S. officials tell us NBC news -- tell NBC news, President Obama did authorize a rescue mission earlier this summer. U.S. troops were sent in to Syria in an attempt to retrieve Foley and other American hostages held by ISIS militants. U.S. fighter jets provided cover for special operation forces and helicopters as they swarmed the compound in Syria. Intelligence agencies believe that they had identified the location where the hostages were being held.

Special Ops. engaged in a gun battle with ISIS forces and quickly determined the hostages were not actually there. On Wednesday, President Obama said the United States will be relentless against ISIS in the wake of Foley`s murder. That same day, U.S. military announced, 14 more air strikes in northern Iraq. Official say the military is now considering sending an additional 300 troops to the region.

ISIS committed a barbaric active terrorism against the American citizen, and certainly we have an obligation to see that justice is done. But many are wondering just what this means moving forward in Iraq. More troops and what will the air strikes do? And what kind of involvement will congress have on this?

I`m joined tonight by Congresswoman Barbara Lee of California who did vote against military force in Iraq some years ago. Congresswoman I appreciate your time tonight. In the wake of the beheading of an American journalist and a threat to do it again, what do you see as the proper response here in the handling of this situation?

REP. BARBARA LEE, (D) CALIFORNIA: Ed, certainly this brutal and barbaric murder of Mr. Foley really demonstrates just how dangerous ISIS is, and first my thoughts and prayers and my sympathy goes out to Mr. Foley`s family and friends. This is something that is mind boggling and heartbreak to the entire world really. I think what we need to really -- realize Ed is that, first of all, many of us supported limited and targeted air strikes to prevent genocide and to protect United States personnel in Iraq.

Any further military escalation I believe and I know Congressman McGovern and Congressman Jones, we passed the resolution last month saying that any escalation of military activity should be brought to congress and we should engage in a full debate and a vote. There are many of us -- I voted against the 2001 authorization. This was right after the horrific events of 9/11.

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

LEE: That was a blind check that gave authority to any president to use force in perpetuity forever, unless we go back and repeal that. I firmly believe we need to repeal these authorizations, go back to the drawing board with the most current information, and let congress decide. We have a constitutional responsibility to do that.

SCHULTZ: Well, it is documented that ISIS has committed atrocities parallel that of the nazis. And there is no question that ISIS it is going to kill more people if we don`t intervene here in a big way. Do you agree with the president in the stepped up air strikes that we`re doing right now?

LEE: Well, let me say it, these air strikes continue to escalate and we recognize that ISIS is very dangerous. And the president has always said however that there`s no military solution and that we need to really look at how we really deal with ISIS in a way that makes sense, and that prevents further acts of genocide in furthered murders and killings. I believe and I think others believe that we have to have this debate in congress. And we need to come up with our -- and the American people really have to have their input.

There were weary Ed, and so yes we have to figure out a real way to address ISIS, but we have to do this within the context of our constitutional responsibilities and duty. And that means we have to have a debate and have a vote in congress with regard to any further military escalation.

SCHULTZ: Do you -- well, sending possibly 300 more troops is some form of escalation or would that be just considered an isolated operation in your opinion?

LEE: In my opinion, this is further escalation, I`ve always said I`m very careful and cautious and vigilant about what we called mission creep, further escalation. And I think the president though has been very strategic, very proven in how he has handled this. But I also know that we have to engage congress more.

The president has under the War Powers Act submitted, congressional notification, you know, he has done everything appropriately. But I also believe we`re getting to that point now where this is becoming a further military escalation and that the American people need to have their members of congress in Washington debating this and going forward with the vote.

SCHULTZ: The United States and the United Kingdom refused pay ransoms according to the New York Times. Other European countries have paid Al-Qaeda and its affiliate to $125 million in ransom payments, I guess over the last five years. What do you think should be done to address this difference in policy? This discrepancy in policy which puts American lives at a greater risk and I guess even further to the point. Do you believe that this country should pay a ransom to get hostages back?

LEE: Well, let me -- first of all, ransom is one tool in a toolbox that president has of all kinds of national securities, strategies that he may or may not use. I think it`s very important that we have our policy consistent with Europe and with other nations in the world because if one country or two countries pay ransom and other countries don`t, we put Americans and others in endanger of being abducted.

Also the ransom policy, I believe begun under the -- the no ransom policy begun under the Bush administration, part of this that had to do with preventing terrorism from becoming wealthy and they`re breaking up many of their financial network. So this is a very complicated issue but it certainly has to be dealt with an address and the issue of ransom, I believe should -- will only work paying or not paying ransom if in fact America and our European allies are in sync and in coordination with one policy.

SCHULTZ: Congressman does it trouble you, the stories coming out about how well-funded, how well-organized, and how strong ISIS is? A threat unlike we have seen in the past, stronger than Al-Qaeda and certainly more driven ideologically? Does that trouble you or does that change the dynamic in how you view any of this?

LEE: I do.

SCHULTZ: You just wanted to go to congress, it sounds like.

LEE: No, no, no. I feel ISIS is very dangerous. I think the attorney general, the president, everyone understand that this is a very dangerous organization well-finance, well-funded. It`s a terrorist group and we have seen what they have done. I believe the facts of ISIS and other groups around the world that are perpetrating this kind of mayhem around the world.

We need to have in congress a debate, and we have to know the fact Ed, we need to know what the national security threats really are to the United States and to other. And we need to know what military strikes will or will not accomplish. And in fact, if there is a non-military solution, I mean Iraqis and the region have to come to grips (ph). And I believe they`re on the path now to finding political settlement to many of the very major underlying difficulties that have given rise to all of this.

But I do believe that we have to recognize that ISIS is dangerous, they`re brutal, and we have to have a debate so that the American people understand what the possibilities are in terms of our strategies, and I`m very concern though that the escalation of military strikes will insert the United States into a conflict where we may or may not need to be.

SCHULTZ: OK.

LEE: . but any further action should be brought to congress immediate.

SCHULTZ: Congresswoman Barbara Lee, thank you for your time tonight, I appreciate it very much.

Up next, our friends across the street have short memories as they criticized President Obama`s fashion choices. Keep it here.

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SCHULTZ: Lot of negative stories coming out in Ferguson Missouri right now but one NFL Hall of Famer is trying to bring some positivity to his home town. Aeneas Williams played for the St. Louis Rams for four seasons and turned into a regular home town guy. Following his football career, Williams became a pastor in the community.

He says he is hoping to bring Ferguson`s youth together as they move forward from this crisis. He`s no drop-in from St. Louis. This is his community Aeneas Williams will join us tomorrow to tell us what he`s doing to help Ferguson recover. Keep it here. You`re watching the Ed Show on MSNBC.

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SCHULTZ: And finally tonight, President Obama delivered strong words against ISIL after he learned of James Foley`s murder.

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BARACK OBAMA, CURRENT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: The United States of America will continue to do what we must do to protect our people. We will be vigilant and we will be relentless. When people harm Americans anywhere, we do what`s necessary to see the justice is done and we act against ISIL standing along side others.

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SCHULTZ: Well, as an American who can argue with that? Fox News came out of the gate with criticism. They targeted the president`s wardrobe.

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PETE HEGSETH, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: You know, I wish he`d put on a tie and we should show enough respect to do that. Stand at the podium and do that. Really, that gets me fired up.

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SCHULTZ: And of course Fox news Anchor Greta Van Susteren raise to her blog and jumped o the bandwagon and she wrote, "I am all for casual clothes, but he is the president of the Untied States and he is talking about a beheading of an American, not the annual Easter egg roll. Put on a tie."

Fox News needs a remind her of the last Commander in Chief. President George W. Bush, didn`t see the need to step away from the links to talk about terrorism.

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GOERGE W. BUSH, 43RD U.S. PRESIDENT: Good morning.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Good morning Mr. President.

BUSH: We must stop the terror. I call upon all nations to do everything they can to stop these terrorist killing. Thank you, now watch this drive.

All right.

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SCHULTZ: So pay less attention to what President Obama is wearing around his neck and start listening to what`s coming out of his mouth. The president is active in air strikes to stop this vicious group and to stop other war. Should the president put on the flight jacket when he orders and air strike?

Joining me now is Eric Boehlert senior fellow at Media Matters. Good to have you with us tonight. This is the bottom of the barrels, isn`t it?

ERIC BOEHLERT, MEDIA MATTERS SENIOR WRITER: Every time we talk we think we`ve been at the bottom of the barrel. You know, this is just sort of this contentious shallow media sort of theater criticism, right? He doesn`t look right. You know, his wardrobe is wrong. You know, this is six years in and we`re talking about his vacations.

Do a quick Google. Every summer is the summer Obama definitely should not take a vacation. We go to this new cycle all the time, and of course with Fox it just gets more and more deranged every year. How do you look at the news of a decapitation and runs your blog and talk about wardrobe. How is Obama the bad guy in this story?

I mean it`s just sort of boggles your mind. But they are so deep into the contempt into the lecturing, he doesn`t really understand tradition. He doesn`t really understand American patriotism or the troops and things like that. Greta should be ashamed of herself but I don`t think there`s any threshold over there for shame anymore (ph).

SCHULTZ: It`s just really searching for just anything...

BOEHLERT: Yeah.

SCHULTZ: . to take the guy down.

BOEHLERT: Nothing to do with politics (ph).

SCHULTZ: And it`s just like we get the war on Christmas every year, you know, and so now, we get the war on vacations, I suppose.

BOEHLERT: Yeah, correct.

SCHULTZ: Anything he does. Is there anything he can`t do with vacation that would satisfy them? Sean Hannity last night, he should have gone right to the situation room or to the war room.

BOEHLERT: Right.

SCHULTZ: Does attire matter?

BOEHLERT: No.

SCHULTZ: I mean, does it?

BOEHLERT: No, it doesn`t. And again, where is the evidence in terms of this vacation debate that Obama hasn`t been able to meet with the advisers he needs, doesn`t have access to the intelligence that he needs. Of course there`s no evidence that, you know, the vacation has interrupted his profession.

The only famous blunder I remember from a vacation is when George Bush and his team slept walked through the intelligence boarding, Bin Laden determine the strike in the U.S. that happened in august. That was during a five-week Bush vacation. Ronald Reagan used to take five-week summer vacations. I don`t know (ph) if President Obama did that.

SCHULTZ: Does this -- I don`t even know. Does this president play more golf than anybody else ever played in this position? I mean if you think that that`s all the guy does, just teeing up every morning at the Country Club at 8:00?

BOEHLERT: Someone is keeping track. I know for a fact, he`s taking about a third of the vacation time than the President Bush did. When President Bush left office, if you look at his ranch time, his vacation time, in his Camp David time, he`s spent over 900 days away from the White House. I mean you talk about phoning it in.

SCHULTZ: But he got a fox machine down there in Crawford. Remember that? Karen Hughes is coming over we`re going to be working on some initiatives. The fact here is, is that this president doesn`t vacation anywhere near as much as previous president, correct?

BOEHLERT: Correct. He doesn`t, and its idea that he`s not up to the job and things like that. And again, this is part of the larger Fox discussion about he`s not really like us. He`s not like other president. He doesn`t really understand the responsibility. I mean let`s not forget Fox when went all in on a further (ph) stuff. We can connect the dots to all of this allegation is nonsense and it sort of contentious, you know, theater criticism they do.

SCHULTZ: So who plays more golf? President Obama or John Boehner, Speaker of the House?

BOEHLERT: Boehner was bragging, he played a 100 rounds in one year.

SCHULTZ: Yeah, he did.

BOEHLERT: Yeah.

SCHULTZ: I don`t think Obama plays that.

BOEHLERT: I don`t think he did.

SCHULTZ: It`s unbelievable. Well, it just underscores that they`re going to come after anything they possibly can.

BOEHLERT: Yeah and incredibly shallow stupid something.

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

BOEHLERT: Like neckties, come on.

SCHULTZ: Eric Boehlert, good to have you with us, senior fellow Media Matters with us tonight here on the Ed Show.

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