Summer Cut

OK guys..here it is. Next cycle to get prepped for summer. Starting around April 15th. I have cut down from about 255 to a morning weight of 217 and now have top four visible abs, which is a first ever for me. Two choices I wanted to do:

Test Prop/Tren Ace/Winstrol

or

Test Prop/Tren Ace/Anavar

Ive used anavar twice and love it. I was just curious on what you guys think about these two stacks and the synergy between the compounds.

yeah there are differences between var and winny, but in my opinion very small differences. as u mentioned winstrol is a DHT, but it also has the likelyhood of killing ur joints where anavar is fine on the joints.

winny is basically poor mans var (IMO). some will say there are big differences....we all know how that goes...

Hey guys,
Im actually looking into doing the same kinda cycle. Im going to add Clen in around week 3 of a 8 week cycle. I was looking at Test prop 100mgs & Tren A 75 mg EOD for the first 2 weeks then adding in Clen at 40 mcg ED, 2 weeks on 2 weeks off. Then adding in Winni at 50 mgs the last 3 weeks. I train a lot in Muay Thai and Ju Jitsu so the joint side effects of winnie arent sounding the best, I might be switching to anavar. I had some concerns about the Tren side effects on cardio and blood pressure. Ill be supplementing Hawthorn berry and celery seed to lower and maintain a regular blood pressure. Does anyone have any experience on the Tren side effects or recommendations for this cycle? Thanks

Hey guys,
Im actually looking into doing the same kinda cycle. Im going to add Clen in around week 3 of a 8 week cycle. I was looking at Test prop 100mgs & Tren A 75 mg EOD for the first 2 weeks then adding in Clen at 40 mcg ED, 2 weeks on 2 weeks off. Then adding in Winni at 50 mgs the last 3 weeks. I train a lot in Muay Thai and Ju Jitsu so the joint side effects of winnie arent sounding the best, I might be switching to anavar. I had some concerns about the Tren side effects on cardio and blood pressure. Ill be supplementing Hawthorn berry and celery seed to lower and maintain a regular blood pressure. Does anyone have any experience on the Tren side effects or recommendations for this cycle? Thanks

Tren def effects people in different ways but here is my experience, elevated BP, night sweats, 2 days of severe headaches which passed and did not recur, oily skin with some mild acne and closed me down hard (had blood taken) so for me it would be important to run HCG from day one as per Swales Protocol

Thanks for the quick response, I've read all about those effects but it seems those are related to higher doses? If you dont mind, what size of a dose were you running? Did you like the results from Tren? I've read so many good things about and Im getting pretty excited to try it

Thanks for the quick response, I've read all about those effects but it seems those are related to higher doses? If you dont mind, what size of a dose were you running? Did you like the results from Tren? I've read so many good things about and Im getting pretty excited to try it

just remember that with 90% of tren users, u will get just as many negative sides as u will positive.

strength will go up, and u will lean out if diet is spot on. but be prepared for mood swings, lethargy like a motherf ucker, dark smelly piss (even if ur getting down plenty of water), sweating at night, horrible endurance (even just walking around will have u winded).....this was all at 75mg ed

Thanks for the quick response, I've read all about those effects but it seems those are related to higher doses? If you dont mind, what size of a dose were you running? Did you like the results from Tren? I've read so many good things about and Im getting pretty excited to try it

just remember that with 90% of tren users, u will get just as many negative sides as u will positive.

strength will go up, and u will lean out if diet is spot on. but be prepared for mood swings, lethargy like a motherf ucker, dark smelly piss (even if ur getting down plenty of water), sweating at night, horrible endurance (even just walking around will have u winded).....this was all at 75mg ed

Lol yes forgot about the dark smelly piss. Guess I'm one the lucky 10%, no lethargy or mood swings but yes they are very common with users

So I guess from what I'm hearing, Cycling Tren 75mg EOD would not be a good idea if I plan to train 3 hours of kickboxing and ju jitsu a day then? The negative cardio effects are killing my thoughts on using it

So I guess from what I'm hearing, Cycling Tren 75mg EOD would not be a good idea if I plan to train 3 hours of kickboxing and ju jitsu a day then? The negative cardio effects are killing my thoughts on using it

Great, thanks for all the help. I have trenbolone, tren, sorry for the miscommunication, I'm still getting the hang of it. You guys seem like you have tons of knowledge, what do you think of the rest of my cycle?

Originally Posted by CamaroMan68
Hey guys,
Im actually looking into doing the same kinda cycle. Im going to add Clen in around week 3 of a 8 week cycle. I was looking at Test prop 100mgs & Tren A 75 mg EOD for the first 2 weeks then adding in Clen at 40 mcg ED, 2 weeks on 2 weeks off. Then adding in Winni at 50 mgs the last 3 weeks. I train a lot in Muay Thai and Ju Jitsu so the joint side effects of winnie arent sounding the best, I might be switching to anavar. I had some concerns about the Tren side effects on cardio and blood pressure. Ill be supplementing Hawthorn berry and celery seed to lower and maintain a regular blood pressure. Does anyone have any experience on the Tren side effects or recommendations for this cycle? Thanks

Hey Nos, why do you only recommend those?! I mean there are others that are mild. what others would you recommend for a first cycle?! do anavar, deca-durabolin, decabol, primo depot, dianabol, sus 250, etc?!... i'm not questioning you outta disrespect. I'm just learning.

a pm would be greatly appreciated by you or any help at all. thanks.

Last edited by TrynaImprove; 03-22-2010 at 12:41 AM.
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well im in sports that require a lot of endurance stamina strength overall excellence... baseball, football, soccer, boxing. Which cycle (type of gear and length of cycle for each) would you recommend out of the ones you stated before?! I have been told to skip the PH's as they do little to nothing in the long term but AAS can help me achieve my goals. I dont plan on taking them yet til i lower my bf%. thanks for helping me out.

well im in sports that require a lot of endurance stamina strength overall excellence... baseball, football, soccer, boxing. Which cycle (type of gear and length of cycle for each) would you recommend out of the ones you stated before?! I have been told to skip the PH's as they do little to nothing in the long term but AAS can help me achieve my goals. I dont plan on taking them yet til i lower my bf%. thanks for helping me out.

Nos, you've been a great help. now i just need a legitimate source. i think i have one since i've been involved with gear deals but never actually used them myself. dont wanna ASK for sources but need help. PMs would still be appreciated. lol.

PS: i'm just not sure how to tell if what i have is the real deal or not.

I guess I'm in the same sort of training as TrynaImprove, but I only have the 8 weeks open. Is the cycle I listed before going to really hurt my training, or should I just stop asking hypothetical questions and assess when the time comes.

I guess I'm in the same sort of training as TrynaImprove, but I only have the 8 weeks open. Is the cycle I listed before going to really hurt my training, or should I just stop asking hypothetical questions and assess when the time comes.

thanks

asses when then time comes. i doubt u would notice lack of endurance on tren only at 50-75mg eod

Anyone know anything about Winijet?? Its a type of Winstrol that I read you have to drink. I have it in my possession but have not started to use it yet. There is minimal information on google about it.

Anyone know anything about Winijet?? Its a type of Winstrol that I read you have to drink. I have it in my possession but have not started to use it yet. There is minimal information on google about it.