posted at 3:44 pm on November 5, 2009 by Allahpundit

No word yet on motive, but the fact that at least three gunmen are involved already has Shuster and Miklaszewski mentioning similarities to the Fort Dix Six plot on MSNBC. Seven dead, 12 wounded so far. Supposedly two of the gunmen are still at large and one has fired shots at the SWAT team on the scene.

Stand by for updates.

Update: New details from CNN: One gunman “neutralized,” one “cornered,” no word on the third. The shooting happened at the “sports dome,” a.k.a. the soldier readiness station.

Update: Whether there are two shooters or three seems to be in dispute at the moment, but there’s certainly more than one: The second shooting on the base evidently occurred at a theater.

At least seven people have been killed and at least 12 more wounded in a mass shooting at Fort Hood Army Base near Killeen, Texas, that apparently began minutes before a graduation ceremony was to begin at a base sports complex, Pentagon officials said.

Details of the events were sketchy, but officials said the shooting involved two men with M-16 rifles and began about 1:30 p.m. Central time at Howze Theater on the base, then moved to the sports complex, where the graduation ceremony was scheduled to begin at 2 p.m. It was not immediately clear who the ceremony was honoring.

Update: Hearing reports on Twitter that there have been shootings in the parking lot of some store in Killeen, the town adjacent in Fort Hood. Grain of salt, though: I haven’t seen anything like that on the wires.

Update: One of the shooters is alive and in custody. We should have a motive soon.

Update: MSNBC TV says two shooters are in custody now.

Update: CNN now says the death toll is nine.

Update: MSNBC’s story has been updated to say that four SWAT members were wounded in the shootout with the gunmen.

Update: Am hearing via Twitter that Fort Hood’s public affairs office says the earlier reports of a third shooter were wrong and were based on a second eyewitness report of the second shooter. Which means everyone’s in custody now.

Update: Heavy suspicions of a fragging grow heavier still. From Chuck Todd’s Twitter account: “More from NBC’s Pete Williams: US official says early reports are the man in custody is in the military, late 30s, with officer rank.”

Update: Good lord — there’s a report from BNO News on Twitter that new shooting is being heard on the base. Nothing on the wires yet. Big grain of salt.

Update: Press conference being held now. 12 dead, 31 wounded. No idea of motive yet but it sounds like both shooters are military. Or rather, were: One of the shooters is dead.

Update: Okay, wait, I misunderstood: According to MSNBC, there were three shooters. One is dead, two more are in custody. Has there ever been a case of “battle stress” that involved a conspiracy by multiple people?

Update: From the local Fox affiliate, how it all went down. Evidently McClatchy’s report of M-16s was wrong:

According to officials, a soldier carrying two handguns opened fire at about 1:30 p.m. Thursday at the Soldier Readiness Center at the post in Killeen, Texas.

“It would be an environment that would be very susceptible to casualties or injuries,” Killeen City Manager Connie Green said.

Officials said the gunman was shot and killed after quick response from security officers.

At least two other soldiers were taken into custody.

Update:Hmmmm: “A senior administration official told NBC News analyst Roger Cressey that the suspect who was in custody was an Army major with an Arabic-sounding name. The official said the shootings could have been a criminal matter rather than a terrorism-related attack and that there was no intelligence to suggest a plot against Fort Hood.”

Update: In case you’re wondering whether the other two soldiers in custody were actual accomplices or just being questioned because they knew Hasan, Rick Perry just said at the presser he’s holding that all three were shooters.

Update: CBS reports that Hasan was a licensed psychiatrist in Maryland, of all things. Meanwhile, Kay Bailey Hutchison apparently has info that Hasan was upset about being deployed to Iraq. Which, without further specifics as to why, doesn’t tell us much given the possible motives in play.

Update: This story deserves its own post but an update here will have to do: Remember that census worker who was found hanged, allegedly with the word “Fed” scrawled on his chest, which was of course instantly the fault of bloodthirsty wingnuts everywhere? The AP reports today that investigators increasingly doubt he was murdered and are looking now at suicide. Just something to bear in mind when the tut-tutting over making assumptions about Hasan begins tomorrow.

Update: Per the last update, here’s another reminder of why it’s always a bad idea to speculate too much: Contra Brian Ross, the AP says it’s unclear what Hasan’s religion was or whether he was a convert.

Update: And yet another reminder: Hearing rumblings on Twitter right now that Perry was wrong and that the two other “suspects” have now been released. Was Hasan, in fact, a lone gunman? If so, how’d those four SWAT members end up wounded? Surely he didn’t surprise them all after they arrived on the scene.

Update: Something else worth flagging re: the tut-tutting about motives and speculation: The media had no problem today, even in its earliest reports on the shooting, noting how many soldiers have suffered from combat stress. In fact, apparently, it was one of the ways Charlie Gibson framed his report on tonight’s ABC News.

Update: If Hasan was a lone gunman, how could the general at his presser earlier say there were eyewitness accounts of more than one gunman? And if neither of the two suspects in custody are that other gunman, then where is he?

George Stratton’s son George Stratton III was five feet away from the shooter at the Soldier Readiness Center and suffered a gunshot wound to his left shoulder.

“He said he was there doing medical stuff and all of a sudden someone came through the door, walked behind the desk and just started shooting,” Stratton told FoxNews.com.

He said about 15 rounds went off and people started dropping to the floor.

“He peaked up over the desk and that’s when he was shot in the shoulder, and he just went down again. He said he saw one of his NCOs get badly shot,” Stratton told FoxNews.com after talking to his son in the hospital.

Update: Lots of buzz on Twitter about Shep Smith’s interview with a colleague of Hasan’s who claims he was known to say things about standing up to the American aggressors in the Middle East. I can’t find a clip or print account, though. If you see one, please e-mail it to our tips account; I don’t have time to follow the comments below.

Update: Local news is reporting that one of the wounded has died. 12 now besides Hasan.

Update: Apparently, one of Hasan’s cousins just told Shep that he’s always been Muslim, not a recent convert.

Update: So much for the “combat stress” theory: ABC News reports that his upcoming deployment to Iraq would have been Hasan’s first.

Update: Here’s the Shep interview with Ret. Col. Terry Lee alleging that Hasan thought Muslims should stand up and fight the “aggressor” and that he was “happy” about the shooting in Little Rock. Apparently Hasan was also increasingly agitated by the fact that Obama hasn’t pulled out of Afghanistan and Iraq.

Update: The two suspects detained earlier were released, but according to Rep. John Carter, another one was just hauled in.

Update: Here’s another Shep interview that people are buzzing about, this one with Hasan’s cousin. The cousin says Hasan decided after 9/11 that he didn’t want to deploy overseas, that he heard horrific stories from returning soldiers, and that he was harassed by other troops.

Federal law enforcement officials say the suspected Fort Hood, Texas, shooter had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats.

The officials say the postings appeared to have been made by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who was killed during the shooting incident that left least 11 others dead and 31 wounded. The officials say they are still trying to confirm that he was the author. They say an official investigation was not opened…

One of the Web postings that authorities reviewed is a blog that equates suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades.

The $64,000 questions: What was he doing at Fort Hood among the population if he thought suicide bombers were heroes? And why are the feds tipping the AP about this if they haven’t even confirmed that he was the author yet?

Update: Another good question from Andy Levy: “If Hassan got poor performance evaluations, why was he promoted to Major in May?” Also, why didn’t they grant him a discharge if what his cousin said is true about him not wanting to deploy since 9/11? Why did they keep this guy around? Fox could track down Terry Lee in a few hours to have him talk about Hasan urging Muslims to stand up to America, but the Army couldn’t do it in a few years?

“To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause,” said the Internet posting. “Scholars have paralled (sic) this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers.”

Update: So poor and fragmented have the early media reports about this been that only now, after 9 p.m. ET, do we learn that … Hasan’s still alive. He’s in stable condition. And, according to the general conducting the briefing going on right now, he appears to be a lone gunman.

Update:This appears to be Hasan’s original Internet posting about suicide bombers in full. Quote:

There was a grenade thrown amongs a group of American soldiers. One of the soldiers, feeling that it was to late for everyone to flee jumped on the grave with the intention of saving his comrades. Indeed he saved them. He inentionally took his life (suicide) for a noble cause i.e. saving the lives of his soldier. To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause. Scholars have paralled this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers. If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory. Their intention is not to die because of some despair. The same can be said for the Kamikazees in Japan. They died (via crashing their planes into ships) to kill the enemies for the homeland. You can call them crazy i you want but their act was not one of suicide that is despised by Islam. So the scholars main point is that “IT SEEMS AS THOUGH YOUR INTENTION IS THE MAIN ISSUE” and Allah (SWT) knows best.

Emphasis added.

Update: A military reader e-mails to answer Andy Levy’s question of why even a poor officer would be promoted:

I served in the Air Force as a psychologist. I believe the way the rank works within in the medical corp is similar in the Army. If you were a medical officer, you had to try very hard to not make rank. They are not even required to go through much of the Military Education in order to make rank (a luxury other officers did not have). I had a friend who was a psychiatrist who went through the same medical program this Army Major went through (based on the years I’ve heard reported, they may have overlapped one another to some extent). When you go through this program, you owe 10-13 years for medical school and residency (maybe more, depending on any additional training you go through). The military will get there commitment back. My friend did his medical school, residency, and a fellowship in child psychiatry and he owed something like 17 years. He made LtCol without any effort. In fact, he often laughed about it, like he got it for his MD and breathing. Another Air Force psychiatrist friend of mine hates being in the USAF and is not quiet about it (though certainly not in the same way as this Army Major): has had many disciplinary problems, including having suspended credentials in our hospital; and in the midst of this, made Major. Go figure.

Update: The media Narrative on this story is congealing as we speak. Assume you’re an eager beaver reporter who’s as anti-war as the next fellow in the newsroom. How do you frame a story about a murderous lunatic who’s never been deployed overseas to serve your agenda? Why, this way of course: “Fort Hood has felt strain of repeated deployments”.

Hasan attended the Muslim Community Center in Silver Spring and was “very devout,” according to Faizul Khan, a former imam at the center. Khan said Hasan attended prayers at least once a day, seven days a week, often in his Army fatigues.

Khan also said Hasan applied to an annual matrimonial seminar that matches Muslims looking for spouses. “I don’t think he ever had a match, because he had too many conditions,” Khan said.

“We never got into details of worldly affairs or politics,” the former imam said of his conversations with Hasan. “Mostly religious questions. But there was nothing extremist in his questions. He never showed any frustration. . . . He never showed any . . . wish for vengeance on anybody.”

Update: More devotion: “A former neighbor of Hasan’s in Silver Spring, Md. told Fox News he lived there for two years with his brother and had the word ‘Allah’ on the door.”

Update: So here’s where we are right now, near 11 p.m. ET. This guy raged about Muslims standing up to aggressors, praised suicide bombers, and the lead theory in the media is … PTSD? For a guy who’s … never been deployed? A friend just e-mailed me with a good question: Even if he was suffering from some type of trauma from listening to vets’ war stories, shouldn’t a shrink trained in dealing with trauma been able to diagnose himself and seek treatment?

Update: And now a little more about just how devout he was, this time from NPR:

A source tells NPR’s Joseph Shapiro that Hasan was put on probation early in his postgraduate work at the Uniformed Service University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md. He was disciplined for proselytizing about his Muslim faith with patients and colleagues, according to the source, who worked with him at the time.

I’m hearing on Twitter that Fox interviewed one of his neighbors within the last half-hour or so and that the neighbor claims Hasan was handing out Korans just this morning. Does anyone have video? Or is this a bad lead? Smells fishy to me but multiple people have mentioned it.

Update:Ryan Lewis offers this transcript: “Brenda Price of KUSJ reported to Greta at 10:33: ‘also, the latest I am hearing, this morning, apparently according to his neighbors, he was walking around kind of giving out his possessions, giving away his furniture, handing out the Koran…'” Sounds like her information is secondhand. Grain of salt.

Update: Credit to WaPo for looking at Hasan’s religious background despite the flak they’ll take for it. New details:

He steered clear of female colleagues, co-workers said, and despite devout religious practices, listed himself in Army records as having no religious preference…

“He came to mosque one or two times to see if there were any suitable girls to marry,” Khan said. “I don’t think he ever had a match, because he had too many conditions. He wanted a girl who was very religious, prays five times a day.”…

A co-worker at Walter Reed said Hasan would not allow his photo to be taken with female co-workers, which became an issue during Christmas season when employees often took group photos. Co-workers would find a solo photo of Hasan and post it on the bulletin board without his permission.

Update: Ah, here’s a source for the Koran story told on Greta: “News Channel 25’s Henry Rosoff has learned the Hasan, was giving all of his furniture along with copies of the Qu’ ran to neighbors Thursday morning.”

Update: Evidently CNN is airing surveillance footage from a convenience store camera taken this just morning showing Hasan in a traditional Muslim cap and robe. Supposedly, according to an employee, he talked about his deployment and said he didn’t want to kill other Muslims. I’ll update with the clip once they post it.

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12,000 plus Muslim terror attacks globally reported since 9/11, and it’s all our fault? All that Islamic murdering and raping and slaving and conquering and genociding that went on for 1,200 years before the US was founded, who the hell do you blame for that? Oh the images, those images, so unbearably dehumanizing! Right?

Evan Sayet explained The Dean’s mental disorder, there’s no point in arguing with someone who preferentially attacks the good and ignores the evil – he’s out of his damned mind, just point and laugh and move on.

I know his idiot insults are infuriating, but we all know it’s a pack of lies, so stop showering the attention whore with attention.

Good for you I didn’t write it all in Scots Gaelic. You’d have really been thrown!

Liam on November 6, 2009 at 1:58 AM

Sorry Liam, I am an uneducated type and what I actually asked you for was ‘a nice simple English translation of the entire sentence I quoted from you that will no doubt “edify” all the readers of that comment.’

Well, our military tortured and raped over in Iraq at the very least, so why assume it didn’t occur anywhere else? And obviously we’ve been murdering women and children over there wily-nily…little babies with their limbs blown off by Americans…that’s what turns people into terrorists, sad to say. It’s those images.

The Dean on November 6, 2009 at 1:52 AM

You’re the lowest form of scum on the planet. You’re utterly sickening. You dare smear the people who protect your worthless carcass, yet you struggle not to outright defend Adolf Hitler. F**K OFF.

Right you are. It’s just stunning to see someone reveal such a black soul, and so thoughtlessly. Must be like the soul of a hate/lust filled Jihadi.

Maquis on November 6, 2009 at 2:08 AM

He’s not revealing a black soul, and it’s not thoughtless.

Everything about this creature screams “sissy,” and it obviously delights in making people scream while it hides behind Mommie’s skirts. It’s obvious that the only connection it has ever had with “women and children” is as straw figures in word games.

If you ever had to live/work in a gay society you’d learn about this stuff pretty quick – it’s like running a red light and being sentenced to life in grade school, without recess.

In most cases, I agree with your strategy and employ it myself. Most often, I simply ignore trolling activity and DNFTT. However, when I read a significant lie posted, it really does have to be refuted. Nothing else has to be quoted and done, but the lie needs refuting.

Sorry Liam, I am an uneducated type and what I actually asked you for was ‘a nice simple English translation of the entire sentence I quoted from you that will no doubt “edify” all the readers of that comment.’

In most cases, I agree with your strategy and employ it myself. Most often, I simply ignore trolling activity and DNFTT. However, when I read a significant lie posted, it really does have to be refuted. Nothing else has to be quoted and done, but the lie needs refuting.

You’re the lowest form of scum on the planet. You’re utterly sickening. You dare smear the people who protect your worthless carcass, yet you struggle not to outright defend Adolf Hitler. F**K OFF.
MadisonConservative on November 6, 2009 at 2:10 AM

Not even Hitler waterboarded his enemies, though I believe the Japanese did, and the Nazis did many regrettable things in their own right.

But I’m all about Thomas Jefferson and liberty, freedom, and peace. This isn’t about Germany.

Hitler and Dr. Mengele were actually passionate people who operated on Jews and other “undesirable people” at no charge. Free health care and all. So, some of them died or were maimed for life. So, many of them were starved to death, were gassed or burned to death in ovens, does that make them bad men. Hitler was probably just miss-understood like these poor muslims terrorist, scumbag Hausschweinen.

You’re the lowest form of scum on the planet. You’re utterly sickening. You dare smear the people who protect your worthless carcass, yet you struggle not to outright defend Adolf Hitler. F**K OFF.
MadisonConservative on November 6, 2009 at 2:10 AM

Also, I’m not against the troops in particular. It’s the people who are ordering them to kill and torture who are most detestable. Some of these troops may have been duped into signing up for the military only to find out they would not in fact be fighting defensive wars, but carrying out these wars of aggression.

Very sad event. This is what happens when we inflame anti-American sentiment in Muslim regions by occupying all these countries. I wish we could just bring an end to the violence to help mitigate these types of unfortunate catastrophes.

The Dean on November 6, 2009 at 12:47 AM

No, Dean, it’s what happens when the Army allows someone who is clearly anti-American to remain in the military. I’m fairly sure we didn’t allow outspoken Nazi sympathizers in US uniform to peddle their propaganda to battle-weary troops in WWII.

The Army wanted to get it’s money’s worth for this insect’s education, but 12 people wound up paying the bill with their lives, and we can only imagine how many minds he twisted and tormented as an Army psychiatrist.

Also, I’m not against the troops in particular. It’s the people who are ordering them to kill and torture who are most detestable. Some of these troops may have been duped into signing up for the military only to find out they would not in fact be fighting defensive wars, but carrying out these wars of aggression.

Fom the link:
“The gunman who killed 12 people today at Ft. Hood appears, based on current media reports, to be Army psychiatrist Nidal Hasan who was listed as a participant in a Homeland Security Policy Institute’s presidential transition task force last year.

The task force was not officially affiliated with the White House. It was a project of the Homeland Security Policy Institute, an independent thinktank housed at George Washington University, aimed at drafting policy recommendations for the incoming Obama administration.”

The internet trolling strategy is employed to disrupt and hijack threads, or foment dissension, because it works. It is very difficult to resist the temptation to read, get angry and respond. I confess that I get sucked in as well.

Anonymity and unfamiliarity help it work. It’s difficult to know the motives and beliefs of a poster until you have read many posts in different topics over many weeks at least.
It is especially difficult in a place like this because we have such a wide variety of opinions to disagree about. Even we conservatives disagree with one another. So some people get labeled as trolls who aren’t, while others can masquerade for long time as if they aren’t trolling, when they actually are, or are setting themselves up to do so at the right moment.

Lox, this is the internet, 90% of the time it’s interactive infotainment. Trolls act as a foil, their input is obvious and simplistic. Discussion does take place around their stupidity, but enjoy the distraction of playing whack-a-troll for a while. Think of it as gallows humor….their gallows though.

On the actual topic, these people are dead because of political correctness and cowardice – all the people who knew what this pigshitlicker was were afraid to speak out.

The next time someone warns you not to offend, remind them we’re not playing at that level anymore.

Yeah, I know, awaiting moderation.I couldn’t think of a more appropriate term.

Merovign on November 6, 2009 at 2:41 AM

Bravo. The time for coddling these idiots and gamesters is long past.

There is in fact a connection between the actual topic and the weeds the conversation has been highjacked into, though. The politically correct and trolls are always and eternally the same people.

They change the subject and mislead by indirection – almost as though they’d studied Marx, by God! The least bit of deconstruction and active listening will reveal that the argument gets subverted by the same people in the same way time after time after time.

What must be kept in the forefront of your mind at all times is that there is no reasoning with or coming to agreement with these types, and for one overriding reason – they don’t mean what they’re saying. It’s all a tactic, in the case of the Lefties, to make you doubt the evidence of your own senses, as I pointed out above in a rant about Stephen Jay Gould. Does their argument seem confusing? You’ve just cracked the code, because confusion is all they intend.

Also, and especially in the case of trolls, it’s necessary to remember that there are truly fucked up people in the world who feed off other peoples’ pain. Saying “outrageous” things to set off an uproar is a lifelong game with these pathetic children, who find it a pastime rivaling a pleasant afternoon pulling the wings off flies.

The only proper response to these idiots is confrontation. You nailed it.

As to political correctness in this case, I see evidence of that so far only in many of the MSM “reporting” approaches taken, not in how the accused was actually treated. But, you may be correct. We shall see. And the reason we shall see is that the MSM politically correct approach to “reporting” is relied upon less and less, precisely because of the poor “reporting” it has done so far in this case.

The internet trolling strategy is employed to disrupt and hijack threads, or foment dissension, because it works. It is very difficult to resist the temptation to read, get angry and respond. I confess that I get sucked in as well.

Anonymity and unfamiliarity help it work. It’s difficult to know the motives and beliefs of a poster until you have read many posts in different topics over many weeks at least.
It is especially difficult in a place like this because we have such a wide variety of opinions to disagree about. Even we conservatives disagree with one another. So some people get labeled as trolls who aren’t, while others can masquerade for long time as if they aren’t trolling, when they actually are, or are setting themselves up to do so at the right moment.

We need a training program. I sure could use help sometimes.

Loxodonta on November 6, 2009 at 2:47 AM

Loxodonta you comment concerning trolling at Hot Air is the bestI have ever seen at Hot Air concerning trolling. And I also “confess that I get sucked in as well” and that “I sure could use help sometimes.”

No, he had people do it for him, but they held your head under water and occasionally, well, more than occasionally, the person would drown. What a stupid analogy. Please go away. No one here is going to ever support ron paul. No one is interested in your bizarre ideas.

And I also “confess that I get sucked in as well” and that “I sure could use help sometimes.”

Basil Fawlty on November 6, 2009 at 3:01 AM

Of course, the problem with DNFTT approach is that it reduces page views, which is very important because that reduces the revenue stream, which is very important, not because we conservatives need places like Hot Air to survive so we have places to read and post, but most importantly, because there simply has to be enough money generated here or Allahpundit will never be able to afford to lose his virginity.

Of course, the problem with DNFTT approach is that it reduces page views, which is very important because that reduces the revenue stream, which is very important, not because we conservatives need places like Hot Air to survive so we have places to read and post, but most importantly, because there simply has to be enough money generated here or Allahpundit will never be able to afford to lose his virginity.

Loxodonta on November 6, 2009 at 3:13 AM

If we can improve the quality of trolls here, I’ll donate! How much could a hamster cost???

So, I take it that nearly every person on earth old enough to watch the news or go to movies or read a book, knows well the horrors of war. No wonder the wolrd is in such dire condition. We all have PTSD.

I’ll sign off with this one, since I realize I’ve already grown tedious.

My diatribes about getting sucked into go-rounds with trolls are all founded in pretty basic psychology – read Eric Berne, Games People Play. If you don’t recognize every thread-highjacker you’ve ever encountered after about an hour in that book, I’ll buy you lunch. Their “concern,” or “issue” or however they couch it isn’t real – it’s a game, and games have payoffs. The payoff is that you get cranked up about it, the subject gets changed, and they get smug points in some obscure way.

I confess I had early training in recognizing sociopathy, and that I’ve learned a hell of a lot more about psychology than I ever wanted to. But this stuff ain’t hard, folks, and trolls are a clear and present danger in every thread full of normal people I’ve ever seen.

The other thing to consider here is that my wisecracks about Marxism aren’t just, ah, hot air either. Google up a little Marx and Alinsky in combination and you’ll find plenty of evidence that the methods for changing the subject are given plenty of coverage in that milieu. It’s not just an accident that Lefties sow so much confusion – they’re trained to.

Letting the trolls starve to death is one way. Calling them out for what they are is another – and you’ll notice that the latest one hasn’t been heard from in a while.

The Army wanted to get it’s money’s worth for this insect’s education, but 12 people wound up paying the bill with their lives, and we can only imagine how many minds he twisted and tormented as an Army psychiatrist.

Nichevo on November 6, 2009 at 2:36 AM

This bride-to-be missed the martyr express train, and now has to ride coach all the way to hell, where his debt to society will be paid in slow motion.

Good. Maybe some part of him will be forced to ponder the torment he has caused others, even if the rest of him clings bitterly to the rationalization of his evil acts. In any case I think we know who around the prison block is going to be the one wearing the headscarf.

A military psychiatrist went on the rampage at an army base in the US, shooting dead 12. One of those injured in the shooting later died, bringing the total death toll to 13 and 30 injured, a US Army spokesman said.

Oh, dear. I forgot about the injured. This is the reason for changing numbers. I pray the numbers do not change further. So many families suffering tonight.

I understand Obama grinned like the Cheshire cat while he praised this treasonous Congress, giving shout-outs, before he said anything about Fort Hood. Well, well, well..I seem to recall the left going apoplectic over Bush not jumping to his feet immmediately after Andrew Card whispered in his ear about 9/11. What a complete and utter POS!
alwaysright43 on November 5, 2009 at 5:48 PM
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Yeah, can’t you just see it now – Bush jumping up immediately and scaring those little kids he was reading to half to d e a t h. Kids that young of age shouldn’t be burdened with thoughts/fears of war, terrorism, hate. Bush was wise to finish (even though he shortened it) the story so he wouldn’t scare the kids. I can still see the look of concern/fear on his face, though. It looked like he turned pale and tried to keep his composure for the kids’ sake. Poor Bush, and IDIOTS praise Obumbo for his actions!!!

I don’t have time to find the book by Gould but the English darwinists of the late 19th and early 20th century “defined” races in ascending order starting at apes and ending with Germans, French and then English at the top. … There are sources besides Gould.
gh on November 6, 2009 at 12:10 AM

So you said or implied above. To which I responded, with the as-yet unanswered question: did that definition of “racism” include religious affiliation?

If so, then Steven Jay Gould, along with whoever else did so, is a moron. And, regardless of whether Gould or anyone else attempted to redefine parts of the English language by including religious affiliation in the definition of “racism”, your interlocutor’s point from above on this matter still stands.

RD on November 6, 2009 at 12:53 AM

You have no idea what you are talking about. Read some history. All your “definitions” come from your progressive professors.
gh on November 6, 2009 at 12:54 AM

Que? What “definitions”, what progressive professors? And what are we talking about besides the the point *you* brought up? It looks like the wrong response got grafted to the wrong comment by mistake.

No Gould did not include religion.
gh on November 6, 2009 at 12:57 AM

Okay, a response. Cool.

But jews [sic] are a race in some sense — recently it has been shown that both the populations which separated in the diaspora share genetic markers in common.

Most definitely. I’ve heard some folks stateside claim that Jewishness is only a religious distinction, and FWIW I think that’s more of a normative than a descriptive idea (and probably delusional).

Sorry Brother, that makes you a frog-hater. Report to the UN for counseling.

Maquis on November 6, 2009 at 3:48 AM

Reading Hot Air comments is a real journey in self discovery. I now find out from Maquis that I hate myself and others of my kind: frogs. Are UN counselling sessions expensive? If they are maybe I could get some that Obama “stash” I heard Rush referring to to pay for the counseling.

I think it’s reasonable to dismiss all Muslim military personnel. There’s a clear conflict of interest in asking them to fight fellow Muslims. We can’t have that security risk in the military. Let ‘em go.
JeffB. on November 6, 2009 at 12:19 AM

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And since when do soldiers ‘get’ to ‘choose’ who they fight? You’re either for us or against us. If Muslims feel that way, then they should NOT be allowed to join the army or take advantage of the benefits that the army provides – schooling, great retirements benefits, etc.! One KNOWS that by joining the military, there is ALWAYS the prospect of a war that might develop between any given country.

So you’d ‘dismiss’ them – well, they’d STILL hate us and they’d STILL be living HERE!

Lox, I have to say that the latest blame you cited caught me flat-footed. I can smell an anti-gun opportunity a thousand miles away, and it didn’t cross my mind at all in this instance. Why? Because the problem was too few guns, not too many. Folks imagine a military base “bristles” with weaponry, but it’s just not so. Commanders aren’t keen to arm their on base populace and add to their worries, but this situation played out much as it would in the civilian world; people died because the common folk had no weapons. If ten percent of the citizenry was always armed, to include on every military installation, the bad guys would be terminated promptly and mass murder by a lone gunman would become a thing of the past.

Very sad event. This is what happens when we inflame anti-American sentiment in Muslim regions by occupying all these countries. I wish we could just bring an end to the violence to help mitigate these types of unfortunate catastrophes.
The Dean on November 6, 2009 at 12:47 AM

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Yeah, right, Dean! Whenever China or Russia or any other country who HATES US attack the USA, we’ll just tuck our tails between our legs and quiver in our boots! We don’t DARE retaliate! THAT is exactly what the Muslims want – they want to instill fear in us! Do you think by ‘leaving them alone’ – they would quit with their devious deeds?

… little babies with their limbs blown off by Americans…that’s what turns people into terrorists, sad to say. It’s those images.

The Dean on November 6, 2009 at 1:52 AM

What images of little babies? And in what format – video, stills, LSD, …?

The images I seem to recall are of big babies — cowards who victimize innocent civilians and act like tough guys until they mess with the wrong crew, then scurry from the battlefield like the rodents they are.

C’mon, it’s not like this guy set off a U-Haul full of fertilizer at a Federal building and killed babies…that’s a murderer. Only twelve dead? Hardly worthy of a modern NEA-designed monument that will make future generations wonder “What the hell happened here two hundred years ago? Must’ve been a tornado that went through. Huh. Awful.”

This is all just a manmade tragedy, and you Fascist, racist, bigoted Nazi Repugnicans and Bible thumpers better not get any ideas of even writing bad things about Muslims or else you will be banned from any website you post your ignorant rants on. Do so in public and you WILL be charged with hate crimes and the President will be most alarmed and will call for more Hope and Change than ever before.

Get over it. Consume. Pay your taxes. Redistribute your ill-gotten wealth to the Third Worlders/oppressed here and abroad. Better yet, submit to Allah’s will or at the very least become a Libtard. Save yourselves!

I know you’re quoting, so I am not aiming this at you: I refuse to include any perpetrator among the number of those who died. It is an insult to those whom he murdered. Let this worthless trash go uncounted.