There has to be an absolute morality - Think Atheist2017-09-26T21:56:40Zhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics/there-has-to-be-an-absolute-morality?x=1&id=1982180%3ATopic%3A1145482&feed=yes&xn_auth=no@Unseen - yes, that quote is…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-10-19:1982180:Comment:11954832012-10-19T04:04:07.781ZHeather Spoonheimhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/HeatherSpoonheim
<p>@Unseen - yes, that quote is correct. That is one of my favorite 5 movies.</p>
<p>@Unseen - yes, that quote is correct. That is one of my favorite 5 movies.</p> Didn't the chief get up and s…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-10-18:1982180:Comment:11952732012-10-18T21:12:09.278ZUnseenhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Unseen
<p>Didn't the chief get up and say "Sometimes the magic works and sometimes it doesn't"? or was that another movie?</p>
<p>Didn't the chief get up and say "Sometimes the magic works and sometimes it doesn't"? or was that another movie?</p> I mean, if you've ever promis…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-10-18:1982180:Comment:11954172012-10-18T15:06:30.121Zarchaeopteryxhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/xn/detail/u_2gskiyna07rt3
<p>I mean, if you've ever promised yourself you'd read <span style="text-decoration: underline;">War and Peace</span> or <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Moby Dick</span>, but never quite found the time, that could be your chance --</p>
<p>I mean, if you've ever promised yourself you'd read <span style="text-decoration: underline;">War and Peace</span> or <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Moby Dick</span>, but never quite found the time, that could be your chance --</p> Yeah, but the funniest part o…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-10-18:1982180:Comment:11952362012-10-18T06:58:58.932Zarchaeopteryxhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/xn/detail/u_2gskiyna07rt3
<p>Yeah, but the funniest part of that bit was that after Chief Dan Lay there for ten or so minutes and nothing happened, he got up and walked away, possibly realizing that willing oneself to die may just not be quite as easy as previously thought. If you decide to try that Blaine, take a good book --</p>
<p>Yeah, but the funniest part of that bit was that after Chief Dan Lay there for ten or so minutes and nothing happened, he got up and walked away, possibly realizing that willing oneself to die may just not be quite as easy as previously thought. If you decide to try that Blaine, take a good book --</p> No doubt, some things are har…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-10-18:1982180:Comment:11950762012-10-18T04:17:27.653ZUnseenhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Unseen
<p>No doubt, some things are hard to imagine. For some things, there is no mental image corresponding to them. For example, we can't imagine our own death. Death is an absolute and nobody can really wrap their head around it.</p>
<p>No doubt, some things are hard to imagine. For some things, there is no mental image corresponding to them. For example, we can't imagine our own death. Death is an absolute and nobody can really wrap their head around it.</p> Humans aren't absolute theref…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-10-18:1982180:Comment:11953142012-10-18T02:40:00.885ZWesleyhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/WesSherman
<p>Humans aren't absolute therefore their morals aren't absolute. I like Dawkins idea of the ever changing moral zeitgeist. We adjust out morals as we evolve... but our evolution isn't in a constant direction towards an absolute state but adjusts to its environment.</p>
<p>Therefore we can only have a human morality based upon our environment. </p>
<p>Humans aren't absolute therefore their morals aren't absolute. I like Dawkins idea of the ever changing moral zeitgeist. We adjust out morals as we evolve... but our evolution isn't in a constant direction towards an absolute state but adjusts to its environment.</p>
<p>Therefore we can only have a human morality based upon our environment. </p> You just end with a headache!…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-10-17:1982180:Comment:11953012012-10-17T22:32:16.753ZUnseenhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Unseen
<p><em><strong>You just end with a headache!! "There are no absolutes." First of all, the relativist is declaring there are absolutely no absolutes. That is an absolute statement. The statement is logically contradictory. If the statement is true, there is, in fact, an absolute - there are absolutely no absolutes.</strong></em></p>
<p>I guess you'd call me a relativist, but I don't say there are no absolutes. In fact, I listed some if you'll remember. The speed of light,…</p>
<p><em><strong>You just end with a headache!! "There are no absolutes." First of all, the relativist is declaring there are absolutely no absolutes. That is an absolute statement. The statement is logically contradictory. If the statement is true, there is, in fact, an absolute - there are absolutely no absolutes.</strong></em></p>
<p>I guess you'd call me a relativist, but I don't say there are no absolutes. In fact, I listed some if you'll remember. The speed of light, etc.</p>
<p>Ethical/moral matters are culture-based and contingent. That's a fact, not an absolute statement.</p> I don't know what you mean by…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-10-17:1982180:Comment:11950622012-10-17T21:19:44.484ZJohn Kellyhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/JohnKelly
<p>I don't know what you mean by poetic. Having a "best" or right decision is pretty absolute. If there is a best decision, it is then sensible to try to make the best decision. If there isn't a best decision, there is no justification in trying to make the best decision. </p>
<p>Any individual should be able to review the circumstance and all the relevant data, process it all accurately and say "that person did what was best". Best is absolute, but not universal.</p>
<p>I don't know what you mean by poetic. Having a "best" or right decision is pretty absolute. If there is a best decision, it is then sensible to try to make the best decision. If there isn't a best decision, there is no justification in trying to make the best decision. </p>
<p>Any individual should be able to review the circumstance and all the relevant data, process it all accurately and say "that person did what was best". Best is absolute, but not universal.</p> Oh come on Unseen, even you'r…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-10-17:1982180:Comment:11951602012-10-17T20:44:33.526Zarchaeopteryxhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/xn/detail/u_2gskiyna07rt3
<p>Oh come on Unseen, even you're not that dense, though like a politician, if it will serve your purpose, you can pretend to be - you know that, "<em>more perfect union</em>" does not mean <em>more than perfect</em>, it clearly means, "<em>closer to perfection</em>."</p>
<p>I'm not in this debate, but if you're going to debate, don't try to switch the train to a different track!</p>
<p>Oh come on Unseen, even you're not that dense, though like a politician, if it will serve your purpose, you can pretend to be - you know that, "<em>more perfect union</em>" does not mean <em>more than perfect</em>, it clearly means, "<em>closer to perfection</em>."</p>
<p>I'm not in this debate, but if you're going to debate, don't try to switch the train to a different track!</p> RE: "There has to be an absol…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-10-17:1982180:Comment:11952022012-10-17T20:35:47.216Zarchaeopteryxhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/xn/detail/u_2gskiyna07rt3
<p>RE: "There has to be an absolute morality"</p>
<p>As well as, "a morning after --" (Carpenters)</p>
<p>And hopefully, a morning-after pill --</p>
<p>Sorry, couldn't resist - going away now --</p>
<p>RE: "There has to be an absolute morality"</p>
<p>As well as, "a morning after --" (Carpenters)</p>
<p>And hopefully, a morning-after pill --</p>
<p>Sorry, couldn't resist - going away now --</p>