If Palestine is recognized as a state at the UN and Morsi is impeached in Egypt...it's pretty much game over !

If the US doesn't veto the Palestinian bid I think it clearly shows which side Obummer is on and it's safe to say Israel will be on its own !

Quoting: subzero86

You know what, I think I've had just about enough of this hand-wringing & whining.

1) Israel is full of Jews and Jews, especially Ashkenazi ones, are supposed to be awesome, smart and creative.

2) Israel, Mossad and Co. had to have known who and what Barry Hussenovich Soetoro The First was even before his election in 2008. And if by some mindboggling reason, they didn't do their homework THEN... then they absolutely should have known it by NOW.

3) And for all the Obama hostility to Israel, mostly of covert & sneaky variety as Obama is too smart to have confronted Israel publically --- for instance, why do you think Erdogan all of the sudden started to accuse Israel of being terrorist-state and sent provocative Flotilla? --- what with him being Obama's best chum.....why do you think suddenly Muslim Brotherhood is on the march, etc.

4) Well, for all the Obama's Anti-Israeli background & clever backstage manipulations.... and considering that Romney was supposed to be Bibi's good friend...... Mossad seems to have done absolutely NOTHING to sabotage Obama's re-election.

*Nothing on Benghazi-gate. *Nothing on Obama's Chicago gay bath-house hijinks. *Nothing on Obama's cocain using & possibly dealing. *Nothing on that video tape that LA Times was allegedly suppressing back in 2008. *Nothing on fake BC*Nothing on Obama's muslim faith*Nothing on Obama's college records, his alleged lies about being a foreign student, the dubious Saudi Arabia characters who bank-rolled his education....

Nothing. Mossad did nothing. It was all there. Obama barely won the re-election as it is, probably with George Soros vote-flipping in Spain; so unconvering even ONE of the aformentioned scandals, would have ruined Obama.

5) After dodging a UN bullet in 2011, Israel HAD to have known that the only reason it didn't work was because Obama & Abbas were saving the best for last --- that is, for AFTER Obama's November 2012 Elections. Netanyahu had ample time to prepare for that eventuality.

6) Actually, Israel and their supposed top-notch intelligence operators, International Law experts, and Propaganda meisters... should have been ALL preparing for this contingency/eventuality for years, nay for DECADES. With not just Plan A in place, but also plan B, C, D, E, F, well sorry I only know the alphabet until the letter F, but you get the idea

7) I already posited in my 18-point post a few days back, that in my opinion one of the biggest reasons Netanyuahu cut short the Operation "Amud Anan" was because of the Abu Mazen's impending UN Status-Upgrade application. Which in turn would allow PA to sue Israel for WAR CRIMES in Hage ----> not matter how inherently ridiculous & frivilous such charges may be, do NOT expect the (massively Saudi/Qatar-bribed) European "Progressives" to give Israel a fair chance.

8) It must be shown beyond reasonable doubt and using 21st century media tools that Paletine does NOT even begin to meet the necessary criteria for Statehood if only because:

a) One of the main conditions for being accepted into the family of nations is that the applying entity MUST be both economically self-sufficient and, even more importanly, be peaceful & peace-seeking. PA absolutely fails on both accounts. The terror, the terror incitement & vile teaching of children to hate & kill the Jews is rampant in "Palestine". Easily provable and demonstratable.

b) Both Hamas AND the secular PLO founding Charters clearly deny both Jewish rights & existence. Their leaders have echoed that sentiment over the years, both in Arabic and in English. Even the darling of the West, PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas, Mr. Moderate Himself... is nothing but a Holocaust-Denier, a bank-roller of the 1972 Munich Massacre. Hell, as recently as this year, he said that Jews have no history in Jerusalem! In Jerusalem!

c) Abbas doesn't even represent the Palestinian people becaue his Presidential term expired 3 years ago. And his has zero authority in Gaza.

d) Again, PA should be disqualified if only because its military wing Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade is classified as a terrorist organization --- with history of dozens of bombings, shootings and other terror activity.

e) One of the main condition for Statehood is ability to uphold agreements & treaties over time. And a unilateral application to the UN is a gross violation of the Oslo Accords -- both in letter & spirit. And it's not as if Abbas has no peace partner --- in fact, Israel has been practically begging Abbas to come to the negotiation table for years. Likewise Israel is on record as having made sweeping concessions in 2000 with Ehud Barak and 2008 with Ehud Olemert. So the rejectionism & intransigence has clearly been the greater Palestinian strategy (especially with Obama pulling the strings behind the scenes)

f) San Remo, Balfour Declaration, the whole League of Nation decision on Jewish homeland being ENSHRINED into the Founding Charter of its successor, the UN. That guarantees Israel a much bigger territory. An undeniable fact that cannot be over-written by the UN General Assembly chockfull of banana-republics & dictators. Furthermore, even the UNSC Resolution 242 authored by Eugene Rostow stipilates that the final status of the territories can only be decided through BI-LATERAL agreement. See: the editorial Eugene Rostow wrote in which he basically upholds Israel's righrs, if not outright sides with Israel.

If nothing else, all these alleged Jewish & Israeli geniuses, experts and officials should try to exert much more pressure on the overtly hostile Abbas. For instance, might want to let Abbas know that he and his corrupt sons not only will be cut off financially, Israel will also no longer protect him from Hamas asssassination squads -- remember Hamas is on record as being AGAINST this state application because it, if only indirectly, recognizes the Jewish state, LOL.......

Might want to tell Obama that if he doesn't stop Abbas, that Jewish settlement blocks, most of Area C and the Jordan Valley will be annexed (the latter is all the more important especially now that Jordan is at risk falling into Muslim Brotherhood hands)

So knowing all **THAT**.... having all that potential leverage..... if a week from now Bibi, Barak and Lieberman & their cadre of advisers & diplomats STILL get caught with their pants down... then they have NOONE to blame but themselves.

Quoting: Ashton's Succulent Volvo 28337851

just wanted to say you are well knowledgeable

Quoting: Anderson_G

Just the basics, playa.

Let's see if Bibi is the Zionist he always claimed he was, or if he is just another Israeli sell-out coward in the mold of Shimon Pers, Ehud Barak, Ehud Olmert, Tsipi Livni, Shelley Yachimovich, Yossi Beilin, Ben-Ami, Ben-Eliezer, Shaul Mofaz, Yair Lapid, Zahava Gallion, et al.

Thanks for the update.Tension seems to be getting hotter on the border.

Quoting: reaperz73

It will be interesting to see if Obama keeps his supposed promise to BiBi and puts US troops on the Sinai border to stop smuggling of Iranian weapons to Gaza !

Quoting: subzero86

I know I don't trust him, so you can bet your last dollar that Bibi knows the score.

Most (at least most here now) know that this cease fire has been engineered to show Israel's restraint and willingness to negotiate, while at the same time create yet another opportunity for the world at large to see the aggression truly coming from the other side of the fence (literally).

Consider this as well; at this point in history, Israel knows full well it has been left on it's own - that writing has been chiseled onto the wall. With this understanding, don't discount the possibilities that again appeasing Washington (BO) will also ultimately reveal that even though Israel capitulates with the desires of Washington under the guise of more and more promises, Washington cannot be trusted from an Israeli standpoint any more than Hamas & Co.

As this comes to fruition, Israel will actually have a much more firm footing to do whatever they deem necessary to ensure their own safety and survival.

The attention span for many has been exceeded during this cease fire time frame. This is the by-product of a society so steeped with instant gratification, that if something isn't "right now", then it has either failed or the operation is over in entirety. This is far from the truth, and this time is being used for many preparations, both politically and logistically, on more than one front, while also crating an environment where true supporters of Israel (as Israel - not some concocted combined area) as well as their true enemies are all ultimately revealed.

Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee.

Thanks for the update.Tension seems to be getting hotter on the border.

Quoting: reaperz73

It will be interesting to see if Obama keeps his supposed promise to BiBi and puts US troops on the Sinai border to stop smuggling of Iranian weapons to Gaza !

Quoting: subzero86

This whole thing from the beginning has been to frame Iran. Why can't anybody see that?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28343084

"frame Iran"? Huh? Iran has admitted to financing Hamas as well as to sending arms & the technology to build long range rockets on site. "suckered them into admitting something they'd denied for years"? Sure. "framed"? Nah, not sure how anyone can see it that way.

If Palestine is recognized as a state at the UN and Morsi is impeached in Egypt...it's pretty much game over !

If the US doesn't veto the Palestinian bid I think it clearly shows which side Obummer is on and it's safe to say Israel will be on its own !

Quoting: subzero86

You know what, I think I've had just about enough of this hand-wringing & whining.

1) Israel is full of Jews and Jews, especially Ashkenazi ones, are supposed to be awesome, smart and creative.

2) Israel, Mossad and Co. had to have known who and what Barry Hussenovich Soetoro The First was even before his election in 2008. And if by some mindboggling reason, they didn't do their homework THEN... then they absolutely should have known it by NOW.

3) And for all the Obama hostility to Israel, mostly of covert & sneaky variety as Obama is too smart to have confronted Israel publically --- for instance, why do you think Erdogan all of the sudden started to accuse Israel of being terrorist-state and sent provocative Flotilla? --- what with him being Obama's best chum.....why do you think suddenly Muslim Brotherhood is on the march, etc.

4) Well, for all the Obama's Anti-Israeli background & clever backstage manipulations.... and considering that Romney was supposed to be Bibi's good friend...... Mossad seems to have done absolutely NOTHING to sabotage Obama's re-election.

*Nothing on Benghazi-gate. *Nothing on Obama's Chicago gay bath-house hijinks. *Nothing on Obama's cocain using & possibly dealing. *Nothing on that video tape that LA Times was allegedly suppressing back in 2008. *Nothing on fake BC*Nothing on Obama's muslim faith*Nothing on Obama's college records, his alleged lies about being a foreign student, the dubious Saudi Arabia characters who bank-rolled his education....

Nothing. Mossad did nothing. It was all there. Obama barely won the re-election as it is, probably with George Soros vote-flipping in Spain; so unconvering even ONE of the aformentioned scandals, would have ruined Obama.

5) After dodging a UN bullet in 2011, Israel HAD to have known that the only reason it didn't work was because Obama & Abbas were saving the best for last --- that is, for AFTER Obama's November 2012 Elections. Netanyahu had ample time to prepare for that eventuality.

6) Actually, Israel and their supposed top-notch intelligence operators, International Law experts, and Propaganda meisters... should have been ALL preparing for this contingency/eventuality for years, nay for DECADES. With not just Plan A in place, but also plan B, C, D, E, F, well sorry I only know the alphabet until the letter F, but you get the idea

7) I already posited in my 18-point post a few days back, that in my opinion one of the biggest reasons Netanyuahu cut short the Operation "Amud Anan" was because of the Abu Mazen's impending UN Status-Upgrade application. Which in turn would allow PA to sue Israel for WAR CRIMES in Hage ----> not matter how inherently ridiculous & frivilous such charges may be, do NOT expect the (massively Saudi/Qatar-bribed) European "Progressives" to give Israel a fair chance.

8) It must be shown beyond reasonable doubt and using 21st century media tools that Paletine does NOT even begin to meet the necessary criteria for Statehood if only because:

a) One of the main conditions for being accepted into the family of nations is that the applying entity MUST be both economically self-sufficient and, even more importanly, be peaceful & peace-seeking. PA absolutely fails on both accounts. The terror, the terror incitement & vile teaching of children to hate & kill the Jews is rampant in "Palestine". Easily provable and demonstratable.

b) Both Hamas AND the secular PLO founding Charters clearly deny both Jewish rights & existence. Their leaders have echoed that sentiment over the years, both in Arabic and in English. Even the darling of the West, PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas, Mr. Moderate Himself... is nothing but a Holocaust-Denier, a bank-roller of the 1972 Munich Massacre. Hell, as recently as this year, he said that Jews have no history in Jerusalem! In Jerusalem!

c) Abbas doesn't even represent the Palestinian people becaue his Presidential term expired 3 years ago. And his has zero authority in Gaza.

d) Again, PA should be disqualified if only because its military wing Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade is classified as a terrorist organization --- with history of dozens of bombings, shootings and other terror activity.

e) One of the main condition for Statehood is ability to uphold agreements & treaties over time. And a unilateral application to the UN is a gross violation of the Oslo Accords -- both in letter & spirit. And it's not as if Abbas has no peace partner --- in fact, Israel has been practically begging Abbas to come to the negotiation table for years. Likewise Israel is on record as having made sweeping concessions in 2000 with Ehud Barak and 2008 with Ehud Olemert. So the rejectionism & intransigence has clearly been the greater Palestinian strategy (especially with Obama pulling the strings behind the scenes)

f) San Remo, Balfour Declaration, the whole League of Nation decision on Jewish homeland being ENSHRINED into the Founding Charter of its successor, the UN. That guarantees Israel a much bigger territory. An undeniable fact that cannot be over-written by the UN General Assembly chockfull of banana-republics & dictators. Furthermore, even the UNSC Resolution 242 authored by Eugene Rostow stipilates that the final status of the territories can only be decided through BI-LATERAL agreement. See: the editorial Eugene Rostow wrote in which he basically upholds Israel's righrs, if not outright sides with Israel.

If nothing else, all these alleged Jewish & Israeli geniuses, experts and officials should try to exert much more pressure on the overtly hostile Abbas. For instance, might want to let Abbas know that he and his corrupt sons not only will be cut off financially, Israel will also no longer protect him from Hamas asssassination squads -- remember Hamas is on record as being AGAINST this state application because it, if only indirectly, recognizes the Jewish state, LOL.......

Might want to tell Obama that if he doesn't stop Abbas, that Jewish settlement blocks, most of Area C and the Jordan Valley will be annexed (the latter is all the more important especially now that Jordan is at risk falling into Muslim Brotherhood hands)

So knowing all **THAT**.... having all that potential leverage..... if a week from now Bibi, Barak and Lieberman & their cadre of advisers & diplomats STILL get caught with their pants down... then they have NOONE to blame but themselves.

Quoting: Ashton's Succulent Volvo 28337851

just wanted to say you are well knowledgeable

Quoting: Anderson_G

Just the basics, playa.

Let's see if Bibi is the Zionist he always claimed he was, or if he is just another Israeli sell-out coward in the mold of Shimon Peres, Ehud Barak, Ehud Olmert, Tsipi Livni, Shelley Yachimovich, Yossi Beilin, Ben-Ami, Ben-Eliezer, Shaul Mofaz, Yair Lapid, Zahava Gallion, et al.

For those who don't know November 29 apparently is special date to Arabs because of 1947.

They aleady have Nakba Day. They have similar-sounding but even more bizarra, Naksa Day. Then the various Day's of Rage. Day's of Resistance. Day's of Struttin'-like-a-Dandy-with-an-Orange-Beard (true story: coloring one's beard Orange is actually very fashionable in Gaza, plus quite a few Arabs have natural orange beards, as weird as it sounds)

Thanks for the update.Tension seems to be getting hotter on the border.

Quoting: reaperz73

It will be interesting to see if Obama keeps his supposed promise to BiBi and puts US troops on the Sinai border to stop smuggling of Iranian weapons to Gaza !

Quoting: subzero86

I know I don't trust him, so you can bet your last dollar that Bibi knows the score.

Most (at least most here now) know that this cease fire has been engineered to show Israel's restraint and willingness to negotiate, while at the same time create yet another opportunity for the world at large to see the aggression truly coming from the other side of the fence (literally).

Consider this as well; at this point in history, Israel knows full well it has been left on it's own - that writing has been chiseled onto the wall. With this understanding, don't discount the possibilities that again appeasing Washington (BO) will also ultimately reveal that even though Israel capitulates with the desires of Washington under the guise of more and more promises, Washington cannot be trusted from an Israeli standpoint any more than Hamas & Co.

As this comes to fruition, Israel will actually have a much more firm footing to do whatever they deem necessary to ensure their own safety and survival.

The attention span for many has been exceeded during this cease fire time frame. This is the by-product of a society so steeped with instant gratification, that if something isn't "right now", then it has either failed or the operation is over in entirety. This is far from the truth, and this time is being used for many preparations, both politically and logistically, on more than one front, while also crating an environment where true supporters of Israel (as Israel - not some concocted combined area) as well as their true enemies are all ultimately revealed.

This is the beginning of separating the wheat from the chaff.

Quoting: ClydeX

What do you suppose will happen if Israel is attacked by multiple Muslim states in unison? Israel would obviously respond viciously in the beginning. What would Obama do? Threaten to join the Muslims against Israel and bomb Israel from subs and carriers?Seems to me that Obama expects Israel to accept extermination or risk the US attacking Israel. This power broker thing Obama is doing, coupled with Obama's Muslim sympathies spells the end of Israel. If Israel submits to Obama they will be destroyed. They will also be destroyed if they don't. How does Israel deal with this?

The night before, 55 suspects were arrested, some of them PA members of parliament affiliated with Hamas and Islamic Jihad. Both terrorist groups, which call openly for Israel’s destruction, are recognized as political parties in the PA.

CORRECT. But it will not be pretty for anybody. You think if Israel is pushed to extermination of their entire country that they wont nuke their neighbors? They would have to.

Quoting: ISO

i just try to figure how AntiChrist will erase arab presence from israel/palestine and surroundings, expand israel borders (from nile to euphrate) get his hands on jerusalem and rebuild Salomon temple.

israel is not yet subjected to extermination, it will happen only when Jesus returns. Until then Israel will rule the world with the AC as their leader.

CORRECT. But it will not be pretty for anybody. You think if Israel is pushed to extermination of their entire country that they wont nuke their neighbors? They would have to.

Quoting: ISO

i just try to figure how AntiChrist will erase arab presence from israel/palestine and surroundings, expand israel borders (from nile to euphrate) get his hands on jerusalem and rebuild Salomon temple.

israel is not yet subjected to extermination, it will happen only when Jesus returns. Until then Israel will rule the world with the AC as their leader.